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Good rainy couple of days we've

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had, which is well, well

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received by the folks at Tampa

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Bay water and all of us, of

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course. But anyway, welcome to

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our. SEPTEMBER 20th. SEPTEMBER.

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AUGUST 25th. AUGUST 25th

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Commission meeting and glad to

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have you here today. If you're

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online, welcome as well. And we

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will get started with our

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invocation and our pledge

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Commissioner Scheer, please.

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>> Dear gracious GOD, our

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father, we thank you for the

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gift of this day, for the

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community we share, for the

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privilege and responsibility of

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serving our neighbors. As we

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begin this meeting, we ask you

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to grant wisdom to those who

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lead, clarity to those who

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speak, and understanding to all

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who listen. Where there are

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difficult decisions, give us

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discernment. Where there are

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differences of opinion, give us

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patience and respect. And in

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all that is decided here, help

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us to remember the people whose

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lives are affected by the work

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we do. Teach us to seek what is

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just to love mercy, to walk

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humbly, and to use whatever

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authority and influence we have

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for the good of others. We ask

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your blessing upon our

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community, upon those who serve

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it, and upon all who call it

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home. In the name of Jesus we

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pray. Amen. Amen.

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>> Commissioner Scott, will you

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lead us, please?

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>> I pledge allegiance,

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allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to

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the Republic for which it

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stands. One nation under GOD,

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indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> We have one proclamation

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today. And before I do that, I

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wanted to again welcome and

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thank Corporal Clyde Thornton,

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deputy Mike Winnecke, Deputy

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Kevin McSweeney and Deputy Jeff

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Atkinson for being here and

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taking care of us as they do

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every meeting. So thank you,

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gentlemen. Absolutely. Thank

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you. They don't always get an

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applause. All right. Today I

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get to talk to about a building

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department appreciation day.

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Probably one of the departments

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that I spend a lot of time with,

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with Kevin McAndrew and company

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and always appreciate the work

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that they do on so many levels

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as changes occur and technology,

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as changes occur in their

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business, they always stand up

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and do the job for our

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residents. And even sometimes

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our residents don't realize

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you're doing a job for them,

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but appreciate the safety that

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you all look out for all of

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them every single day. So with

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that, Jim McMillan, our

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building official, please come

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on up. Cami Vasser, deputy

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building official. Robert

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Dryden, customer operations

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manager. Bo Cunningham,

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building inspector Mark Roberts,

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plans examiner. Barbara Metcalf,

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permit technician, and Tausha

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Snead flood desk. And did I

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forget anybody? Okay, good.

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>> You, thank you. Good to see

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you.

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>> Okay. I'm going to read this

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proclamation. And then you all

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can decide amongst yourselves

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who would like to say a few

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words or you're chosen. Okay.

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All right. And if somebody else

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wants to, you can join in as

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well. The safety of our homes,

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businesses and public

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infrastructure relies on the

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dedicated professionals of the

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building department, including

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building officials, inspectors,

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plans, examiners and permit

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technicians. Florida's unique

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coastal environment and

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vulnerability to severe weather.

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You've had that in the last

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couple of years, require

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rigorous construction standards,

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and our local building

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departments ensure these

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standards are met through

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strict enforcement of the

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Building Florida Building Code

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and building safety

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professionals are largely

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unsung guardians of public

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safety, ensuring structural

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integrity, fire protection,

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electric safety, electrical

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safety, plumbing compliance and

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accessibility for all residents.

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These professionals foster

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community and economic growth

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by reviewing building plans and

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conducting inspections that

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keep construction projects

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running efficiently while

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minimizing risks. Building

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Department Appreciation Day

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informs and educates the public

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about the critical role of our

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community's largely unknown

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protectors of public safety.

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Our local building code

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officials who assure us of

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safety, sustainable, energy

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efficient and livable buildings

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that are essential to Pinellas

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counties prosperity and now

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therefore, be it proclaimed by

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the Pinellas County Board of

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County Commission that

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SEPTEMBER 1st, 2026 be

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recognized as Building

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Department Appreciation Day in

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Pinellas County. And again,

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thank you.

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>> Go right ahead. Hello,

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everybody over here.

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>> They won't.

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>> Hear you.

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>> Hello, everybody. My name is

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Jim McMillan. I'm the building

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official for Pinellas County as

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well as the manager for

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building and Development Review

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Services, Building Division. I

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am here today on behalf of the

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building division's entire team,

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to give a heartfelt thank you

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for your support and

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recognition of our mission,

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which is to protect the health,

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safety and welfare of our

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citizens and the built

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environment. Recovering from

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Hurricanes, Helene and Milton

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have presented our department

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with unprecedented challenges.

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Our staff faced damage

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assessment operations, complex

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documentation reviews and

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assisted anxious residents

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desperate to rebuild. Staff

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worked exhausting hours under

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immense pressure to keep our

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community moving forward with

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recovery efforts, which

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continue to this day. Data

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collected in MAY of 2026 show

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5800 storm repair permits had

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been issued. As their manager,

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I am incredibly proud of their

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resilience and dedication.

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Commissioners and executive

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management. You have validated

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their sacrifices and given them

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a well-deserved morale boost.

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Thank you for your leadership,

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your support and providing us

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with the technology and tool

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upgrades. Allowing our team to

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work as efficiently as possible.

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We thank you all for the

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resignation recognition.

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>> I appreciate. That. You're

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smart guys in the back.

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There

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you go.

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Thank you. Thank you,

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thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Thank you, thank you so much. I

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appreciate it. Thanks, Robert.

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>> All right. Okay. We have a

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couple citizens to be heard.

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We'll start with David Ballard

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Geddes JR. Followed by Lisa

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McMurray.

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>> Hi. Good afternoon, David

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Ballard, Geddes JR. I live on

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Georgia Avenue in Palm Harbor.

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The Federalist Papers again

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reveals three constitutions the

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former, the latter and The Last

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Resort. One and one and one is

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three. Got to be good looking.

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It's just so hard to see. Tip

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your hat to the new

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Constitution and pray you don't

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get fooled again. The change.

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It had to come and you knew it

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all along. Even Mick Jagger at

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Madison Square Gardens in 1969,

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he stated in front of the crowd,

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welcome to the breakfast show,

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lunch, dinner. Okay. The

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Federalist Papers were not

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written by Hamilton, Madison or

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John Jay. The Federalist Papers

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were originally drafted by a

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shoemaker named Jacob Boehme.

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Shoemaker, stick to thy last.

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The Declaration of Independence

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again counterfeits itself as

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preamble to a second

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constitution seen as the

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capture of water in article one,

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section eight, clause 11

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birthing unwarranted 14th

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amendment water jurisdictions

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as declared, thus revealing the

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methodology of the prints in

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the Declaration of Independence,

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written by Niccolo Machiavelli.

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For it is better to be feared

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than it is to be loved. Even

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George Washington, claiming to

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be of greatest rankness and

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truly one's worst enemy in his

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Farewell to Christianity,

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address states that we are

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being given a useful lesson on

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our heads, seen as a useful art

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for limited times. In article

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one, section eight, clause

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eight. Our current constitution

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is unconstitutionally being

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used as a bill of attainder, a

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letter of marquee, an ex post

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facto form of reprisal seen as

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inexcusably defective in

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Federalist Paper 64, using

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water as their weapon of choice,

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deaf to the voice of justice,

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and consequently, as written in

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the Declaration of Independence,

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Abraham Lincoln. He did not

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write the 14th amendment. He

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amended the 14th amendment to

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include the rebellion Clause

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denouncing the Book of Common

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Rebellion, such well bound Book

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of Common rebellion, as

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possibly referenced in statute

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298.36. London Bridge is

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falling down, London Bridge is

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falling down and they can take

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their wayfaring mercenaries

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down with them. Welcome to the

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bond market. Thank you.

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>> Okay, as Lisa McMurray comes

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up, I just wanted to take the

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opportunity to introduce her.

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She is the chair of our

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employee advisory council,

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which she'll tell you. And I

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just wanted to give her a sense

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of appreciation from the

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commission for her being on board for.

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>> 25 years and CHAIRMAN 20 of

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those years. So she is a

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trooper. So thank you for what

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you do for our. For our

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employees every single day. So

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thank you. And the mic is yours.

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>> Thank you, Commissioner

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Eggers. Good afternoon,

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commissioners Barry Jewell. My

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name is Lisa McMurray. I'm the

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chairperson of the Pinellas

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County.

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>> Lisa, could you pull that

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down so we can hear you?

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>> Thank you. Lisa.

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>> Yep. That's perfect. Thank

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you.

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>> I currently work for

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utilities where our department

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helps ensure that our residents

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have safe, reliable drinking

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water. I'm here today

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representing the classified

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employees of Pinellas County. I

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listen to the board of County

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commissioners meetings, and I

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understand the budget

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challenges facing the county. I

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also believe Pinellas County

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has historically been a good

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steward of both general fund

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and enterprise resources. I

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understand the difficult

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decisions are being considered,

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including reductions in

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potentially elimination of

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entire departments. I

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appreciate the Commission's

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recognition that Workforce

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Relations and the Office of

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Human Rights provide critical

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services and are necessary for

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the county's operations. But

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today, I want to speak about

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the people behind the services,

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the dedicated employees who

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keep Pinellas County moving

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forward every day. Our

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employees are the people behind

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our award winning beaches, our

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nine over 11 operations, our

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traffic signals, mosquito

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control, utility services, road

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maintenance, sewer repairs,

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passport services and so many

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other services our residents

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rely on. The list is extensive,

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and our commitment doesn't stop

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when the workday ends or when

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circumstances become difficult.

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During hurricanes, County

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employees leave their families

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to serve our community. Some

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sleep on cots at county

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facilities. Others work in

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shelters. Answer calls at the

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Emergency Operations Center,

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assist residents who are

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frightened or uncertain, and

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clear roads after the storm so

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people can get to work, obtain

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supplies and begin rebuilding.

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Some of these employees are

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dealing with the catastrophic

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losses of their own, yet they

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still report to work to help

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their neighbors. That's who

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Pinellas County employees are.

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We show up a few years ago on

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Christmas Eve, some of our

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employees were called away from

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their families to repair a

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broken water main in Pinellas

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County neighborhood. It MAY

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seem like a small example, but

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situations like this happen

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regularly. County employees

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routinely put the needs of the

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community ahead of their own

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personal time. These employees

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are not just county workers.

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Many are also Pinellas County

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residents. Their friends,

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families and neighbors live

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here too. They are the people

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residents encounter every day,

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and they are the face of

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Pinellas County in our

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communities. At an Employee

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Advisory Council meeting,

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delegate meeting, a

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representative from Visitors

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and Convention Bureau made a

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statement that stayed with me.

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We are all stewards of Pinellas

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County. This is something I

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have understood throughout my

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20 years, 28 years of county

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service. Not long after that

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meeting, I was at the beach

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having dinner. While waiting

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for a table, I overheard

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visitors talking about where to

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watch the sunset, how far

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certain attractions were, and

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what they should see in

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downtown Saint Petersburg. I

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found myself answering their

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questions, telling them about

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our community, and sharing some

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of its history. They didn't

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know about some of the movies

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that were filmed here. I was

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proud to let them know. That

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moment reminded me that many

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county employees feel the same

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way. We aren't simply doing a

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job. We take pride in the place

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we live. Most of us didn't

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choose public service because

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we expect to become wealthy. We

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chose it because we have a

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calling to serve, to help

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others, to protect our

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environment, to maintain our

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infrastructure, and to make our

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community better. The work can

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be rewarding, but it can also

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be stressful, difficult,

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overlooked, and sometimes, yes,

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thankless. Yet despite these

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challenges, county employees

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continue to come to work, do

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their jobs, and serve our

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residents with professionalism

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and dedication. This is why I

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felt compelled to speak today,

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especially in the midst of

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budget discussions. Pinellas

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County workforce is not aligned

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in the budget. We are dedicated

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professionals. We are your

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neighbors. We are the people

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who keep the county's essential

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services open, operating every

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day in good times and in the

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most difficult circumstances. I

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respectfully ask that as you

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make these difficult budget

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decisions, you recognize the

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value of the people behind the

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services and consider the

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impact these decisions have on

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the workforce and the residents

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we serve. In light of football

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season, I thought of this quote,

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the achievements of an

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organization are the result of

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the combined effort of each

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individual. Thank you for your

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time, your cooperation and your

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service to Pinellas County.

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>> Thank you Lisa, appreciate

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that.

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>> MR. Chair. MR. Chair, yes,

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if I MAY. Lisa also serves on

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the office for Human Rights

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Board, and she was also an

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integral part when we were

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doing our selection process for

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the new director of the

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department. So I just wanted to

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echo it's been a pleasure

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working with her.

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>> Thank you. Thanks, Lisa.

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Okay. Greg Powell.

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>> Yes. Greg Pound, the issue

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that I'd like to bring to the

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county commissioners is 2019. I

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was on my way to courthouse, as

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I've been doing for

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approximately 15 years,

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exposing the corruption in

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Pinellas County Courthouse as

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the people went to court every

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day. And on my way to court, I

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was rear end in the back of my

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car. Car totaled out. And so

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what happened is I was exposing

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the child molestation, the, the,

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the government's destroying

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families for money and all the

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things that's going on Pinellas

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County, that's, that's got us

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in a situation we're in today

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with the suicide rate, the drug

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problem among our youth, just

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destroying our families because

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of federal grant money that

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comes into this county in order

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to destroy our families. It's

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called cooperative agreement

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contracts. You'd have to read

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them. I've explained it over

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and over again. And so what

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00:37:47,504 --> 00:37:49,673
happens is now I'm being fined

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for man smashing, for young man

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who was in so many wrecks, he

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couldn't even count him in the

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deposition. And the guy smashes

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in the back of my car, towed my

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car out, and the courts put a

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judgment against me for $18,000.

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So I have to file in the

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appeals court. I'm in the

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appeals court. I file in the

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appeals court, and they want to

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supplement my record, my appeal

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with the transcript that they

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did at our at a hearing for my

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attorney. And and, and I asked

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the judge, I said, Your Honor,

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I said, did you read my

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pleading, my motions, pleading

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you not to dismiss my attorney?

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And she said, yes, I said no. I

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asked her, did you receive it?

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She said yes. I said, did you

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read it? She said no. So what

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happens is now. They

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supplemented a transcript into

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my appeal in the second

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District appeals court with a

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bunch of lies. So you've got

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mass, you've got out of control

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corruption. I mean, when I run

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for sheriff in this county and

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I get beat up, I get beat up,

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my head smashed against the

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wall where I should have went

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to the hospital. They took me

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to PIMs. You go read the

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newspaper articles and read

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what they said in order to

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discredit me as a candidate for

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sheriff against Jim Coates. And

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then when I run against his his

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00:39:04,881 --> 00:39:06,483
attorney, Robert Gualtieri,

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00:39:06,483 --> 00:39:07,818
who's still an attorney, who's

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an illegal sheriff in this

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county that's working with the

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corruption in the courthouse

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and what you're doing to people

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just like you did to this, this

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plastic surgeon, the stuff

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that's happened to him and he

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00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:21,980
reacted to it. And this is the

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corruption. We've got massive

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corruption in this county.

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They're destroying our families.

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I mean, these people are out of

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control. The Bible shows

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corruption always starts from

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the top down. It's been that

572
00:39:30,874 --> 00:39:33,430
way since the beginning of time.

573
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:34,711
It's always top down corruption,

574
00:39:34,711 --> 00:39:35,878
not bottom up. It's not the

575
00:39:35,878 --> 00:39:37,747
poor people you see on the

576
00:39:37,747 --> 00:39:38,782
street that's raping and

577
00:39:38,782 --> 00:39:41,182
robbing our system, destroying

578
00:39:41,251 --> 00:39:43,190
our republic. We've got out of

579
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:44,487
control corruption. We've got

580
00:39:44,487 --> 00:39:45,622
we got the city attorney here

581
00:39:45,622 --> 00:39:47,391
who doesn't know whether it's

582
00:39:47,391 --> 00:39:48,559
right or wrong for an attorney

583
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:50,427
to be the sheriff of Pinellas

584
00:39:50,427 --> 00:39:51,595
County. We've got we got we got

585
00:39:51,595 --> 00:39:53,430
problems here. You people are

586
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:54,464
looking the other way for your

587
00:39:54,464 --> 00:39:56,766
jobs and your money.

588
00:39:56,766 --> 00:39:59,670
>> Thank you. All right. We are

589
00:39:59,670 --> 00:40:02,139
moving on to our consent. And

590
00:40:02,139 --> 00:40:03,640
as we do that, I did want to

591
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,209
draw attention to item four and

592
00:40:05,209 --> 00:40:07,244
five, which is division of

593
00:40:07,244 --> 00:40:09,644
Inspector General two. Two

594
00:40:09,713 --> 00:40:11,470
reports that came out. Just to

595
00:40:11,470 --> 00:40:13,317
reiterate to our residents that

596
00:40:13,317 --> 00:40:14,817
our Inspector General has a

597
00:40:14,817 --> 00:40:16,553
report or two, seemingly maybe

598
00:40:16,553 --> 00:40:18,210
even more, on every single

599
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:19,922
report that we do, every single

600
00:40:19,922 --> 00:40:22,250
meeting that we have, which

601
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:22,658
means that they're looking over

602
00:40:22,658 --> 00:40:23,793
operations, they're looking

603
00:40:23,793 --> 00:40:25,793
over procedures, they're

604
00:40:25,962 --> 00:40:28,365
looking over all aspects of our

605
00:40:28,365 --> 00:40:30,199
county to make sure that we're

606
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:32,802
abiding by the rules, that we

607
00:40:32,802 --> 00:40:35,271
have procedures in place. And

608
00:40:35,271 --> 00:40:36,472
when we don't, they call it out

609
00:40:36,472 --> 00:40:38,208
and and we take action. They

610
00:40:38,208 --> 00:40:39,910
take action on that. So I just

611
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:41,110
wanted to give a special shout

612
00:40:41,110 --> 00:40:42,478
out to our division of

613
00:40:42,478 --> 00:40:44,470
Inspector General for the work

614
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:45,314
that they do. That's all I had.

615
00:40:45,314 --> 00:40:47,150
And do we have anybody who

616
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:48,551
wants to pull anything from the.

617
00:40:48,551 --> 00:40:49,286
Was that.

618
00:40:49,286 --> 00:40:50,788
>> Number 11?

619
00:40:50,788 --> 00:40:53,788
>> Number 11 you wanted to pull?

620
00:40:54,524 --> 00:40:56,920
Okay. Anybody else? All right.

621
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,950
Do I have a motion to approve

622
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:59,530
the rest of the move? Approval

623
00:40:59,530 --> 00:41:01,197
from Commissioner Peter. Second

624
00:41:01,197 --> 00:41:01,898
by Commissioner Flowers. All in

625
00:41:01,898 --> 00:41:02,633
favor, say aye.

626
00:41:02,633 --> 00:41:04,633
>> Aye.

627
00:41:04,735 --> 00:41:05,169
>> Any opposed? Motion carries

628
00:41:05,169 --> 00:41:07,400
unanimously.

629
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,172
>> Item 11. And this is just a

630
00:41:09,172 --> 00:41:11,341
question. Bury the language

631
00:41:11,341 --> 00:41:14,341
says that we're spending. We're

632
00:41:14,544 --> 00:41:15,912
matching 2.7, I think 8.8

633
00:41:15,912 --> 00:41:18,416
million on this. Where's the

634
00:41:18,416 --> 00:41:19,917
money coming from.

635
00:41:19,917 --> 00:41:21,585
>> That I'll let Cathy's

636
00:41:21,585 --> 00:41:23,487
already on her way up, so I'll

637
00:41:23,487 --> 00:41:24,588
let her answer that. These were

638
00:41:24,588 --> 00:41:25,823
pre-approved projects.

639
00:41:25,823 --> 00:41:27,457
>> Yep. Cathie Perkins director

640
00:41:27,457 --> 00:41:28,491
for Emergency Management. Thank

641
00:41:28,491 --> 00:41:30,891
you, Commissioner, for your

642
00:41:31,428 --> 00:41:32,995
question. So emergency

643
00:41:32,995 --> 00:41:35,995
management had penny for monies.

644
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:37,534
We had 1.25 million in a

645
00:41:37,534 --> 00:41:39,303
mitigation fund for projects

646
00:41:39,303 --> 00:41:42,206
that we could do. And then the

647
00:41:42,206 --> 00:41:43,339
Lealman cra would contribute

648
00:41:43,339 --> 00:41:45,142
1.76 for.

649
00:41:45,142 --> 00:41:46,510
>> Okay. So I support the I'm

650
00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:47,811
supporting this. I'm voting for

651
00:41:47,811 --> 00:41:49,880
it because I know we need the,

652
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,348
the shelter. But when we when

653
00:41:51,348 --> 00:41:52,883
we do that, can we itemize

654
00:41:52,883 --> 00:41:54,160
where the money is coming from?

655
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,190
Because nowhere in here did it

656
00:41:56,190 --> 00:41:57,954
say it was from the Lealman cra.

657
00:41:57,954 --> 00:41:59,790
Got it. And I read the Lealman

658
00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:00,924
cra minutes and saw it in the

659
00:42:00,924 --> 00:42:02,893
minutes and then looked at that

660
00:42:02,893 --> 00:42:03,993
and didn't see it in that. So

661
00:42:03,993 --> 00:42:05,795
for continuity's sake, can we

662
00:42:05,795 --> 00:42:06,930
be clear in the future where

663
00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:08,831
the money is coming from? And

664
00:42:08,831 --> 00:42:10,835
then I want to talk to you

665
00:42:10,835 --> 00:42:11,901
later about the cra. So in our

666
00:42:11,901 --> 00:42:13,300
next meeting, make sure that's

667
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:15,838
on the list. Thank you.

668
00:42:15,838 --> 00:42:17,207
>> Need a motion. Second motion

669
00:42:17,207 --> 00:42:19,607
by Commissioner Flowers. Second

670
00:42:19,643 --> 00:42:22,112
by Commissioner Peters. All in

671
00:42:22,112 --> 00:42:23,946
favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion

672
00:42:23,946 --> 00:42:26,946
carries unanimously. We are on

673
00:42:27,183 --> 00:42:30,120
to a regular agenda item 14.

674
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,256
>> The award for airport car

675
00:42:32,256 --> 00:42:33,657
rental or rental car

676
00:42:33,657 --> 00:42:35,580
concessions for Saint Pete

677
00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:37,580
Clearwater International

678
00:42:37,661 --> 00:42:38,796
Airport.

679
00:42:38,796 --> 00:42:40,531
>> We have a motion by

680
00:42:40,531 --> 00:42:42,931
Commissioner Peters, second by

681
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:45,601
Commissioner Flowers. I noticed

682
00:42:45,601 --> 00:42:47,370
five vendors, three contracts.

683
00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:49,205
There are somewhat different

684
00:42:49,205 --> 00:42:51,341
eight and a half, 9.4 and 10.4

685
00:42:51,341 --> 00:42:52,810
million each. What's the

686
00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:54,545
difference in the contracts

687
00:42:54,545 --> 00:42:54,745
themselves? Could somebody just

688
00:42:54,745 --> 00:42:55,979
speak?

689
00:42:55,979 --> 00:42:57,113
>> That sounds like a mark

690
00:42:57,113 --> 00:42:59,113
question to me.

691
00:42:59,882 --> 00:43:01,118
>> Yeah, I was just thinking

692
00:43:01,118 --> 00:43:02,252
there might be one for all of

693
00:43:02,252 --> 00:43:03,921
them, but there's three

694
00:43:03,921 --> 00:43:05,540
separate ones. Thank you. Mark.

695
00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:07,291
>> Mark Sprague, director of

696
00:43:07,291 --> 00:43:08,992
the Saint Pete Airport. There's

697
00:43:08,992 --> 00:43:10,270
no differences in the contracts

698
00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:11,128
themselves. The reason why

699
00:43:11,128 --> 00:43:12,228
there are different monies is

700
00:43:12,228 --> 00:43:14,630
because the square footage that

701
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:14,731
they have actually in the car

702
00:43:14,731 --> 00:43:16,330
rental lot.

703
00:43:16,330 --> 00:43:17,670
>> So otherwise they're.

704
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:18,468
>> The same identically the

705
00:43:18,468 --> 00:43:18,702
same. It's just the square

706
00:43:18,702 --> 00:43:19,736
footage.

707
00:43:19,736 --> 00:43:21,605
>> Thank you Mark. Appreciate

708
00:43:21,605 --> 00:43:23,600
it. MR. CHAIRMAN. Yes. Did you

709
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:23,372
have a question, Commissioner

710
00:43:23,372 --> 00:43:25,274
flowers.

711
00:43:25,274 --> 00:43:27,677
>> If I can. Yes. I just want

712
00:43:27,677 --> 00:43:29,112
to say, because I use it

713
00:43:29,112 --> 00:43:31,616
frequently. Yes you do. I just

714
00:43:31,616 --> 00:43:33,149
want to say I really appreciate

715
00:43:33,149 --> 00:43:34,551
I call it the contactless

716
00:43:34,551 --> 00:43:36,520
service that they now have,

717
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,988
because before you had to go to

718
00:43:37,988 --> 00:43:39,223
the counter, stand in line and

719
00:43:39,223 --> 00:43:40,958
wait to get all your stuff, but

720
00:43:40,958 --> 00:43:42,250
now if you make your

721
00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:43,960
reservation, you can go right

722
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,995
out to the lot. And so I've

723
00:43:44,995 --> 00:43:46,163
noticed for the traffic and

724
00:43:46,163 --> 00:43:47,331
because you get your luggage

725
00:43:47,331 --> 00:43:49,398
right there, and then people

726
00:43:49,398 --> 00:43:51,000
are standing in lines for their

727
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,136
cars. And so it kind of gets a

728
00:43:52,136 --> 00:43:53,203
little crowded. But by having

729
00:43:53,203 --> 00:43:54,938
that service, it has really

730
00:43:54,938 --> 00:43:56,473
thinned out that area. So

731
00:43:56,473 --> 00:43:57,908
people get straight to, to

732
00:43:57,908 --> 00:43:59,576
catch the, the busses out to

733
00:43:59,576 --> 00:44:01,411
the beaches, or they can, you

734
00:44:01,411 --> 00:44:02,545
know, go straight out and get

735
00:44:02,545 --> 00:44:03,714
their cars. And it kind of

736
00:44:03,714 --> 00:44:04,848
moves people more expeditiously

737
00:44:04,848 --> 00:44:06,650
through the airport. So I

738
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:08,452
wanted to say thank you for,

739
00:44:08,452 --> 00:44:10,220
for that. However, they came up

740
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:10,854
with how they do it, but thank

741
00:44:10,854 --> 00:44:12,156
you.

742
00:44:12,156 --> 00:44:13,456
>> It's a big collaboration.

743
00:44:13,456 --> 00:44:14,825
We're always looking at

744
00:44:14,825 --> 00:44:16,626
customer convenience.

745
00:44:16,626 --> 00:44:18,462
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mark.

746
00:44:18,462 --> 00:44:21,462
Appreciate it. Pull up the

747
00:44:24,168 --> 00:44:26,568
voting card, please. Motion

748
00:44:28,204 --> 00:44:30,604
carries unanimously. All right.

749
00:44:30,773 --> 00:44:32,910
Let's move on to number 15.

750
00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:34,279
>> This fiscal year 2026 event

751
00:44:34,279 --> 00:44:36,780
funding recommendation. This is

752
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:37,181
for the Clearwater Offshore

753
00:44:37,181 --> 00:44:39,810
Nationals. I think you had a

754
00:44:39,810 --> 00:44:40,840
question and Brian sent you an

755
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,852
email regarding it.

756
00:44:41,852 --> 00:44:44,721
>> Yeah. Thank you, Brian, for

757
00:44:44,721 --> 00:44:46,155
that. Any other questions on

758
00:44:46,155 --> 00:44:46,556
that move.

759
00:44:46,556 --> 00:44:47,658
>> Approval.

760
00:44:47,658 --> 00:44:49,910
>> Second. Motion by

761
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:51,600
Commissioner Peter. Second by

762
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,460
Commissioner Latvala. Pull up

763
00:44:58,469 --> 00:45:00,571
the voting card, please. Motion

764
00:45:00,571 --> 00:45:01,605
passes unanimously. Item 16,

765
00:45:01,605 --> 00:45:03,605
please.

766
00:45:03,874 --> 00:45:07,110
>> This is an amendment to add

767
00:45:07,110 --> 00:45:08,478
a a Career connect, which is an

768
00:45:08,478 --> 00:45:09,645
electronic information exchange

769
00:45:09,645 --> 00:45:12,645
platform to this contract. So

770
00:45:12,850 --> 00:45:15,351
this is the same for 16 and 17.

771
00:45:15,351 --> 00:45:17,488
>> Okay. Motion by Commissioner

772
00:45:17,488 --> 00:45:19,888
Peters. Second by Commissioner

773
00:45:20,724 --> 00:45:23,124
Scott. Any questions comments.

774
00:45:27,231 --> 00:45:29,366
Bring up the voting card please.

775
00:45:29,366 --> 00:45:31,268
Motion carries unanimously.

776
00:45:31,268 --> 00:45:33,200
Number 17 again.

777
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:33,737
>> Yeah same thing. This is for

778
00:45:33,737 --> 00:45:35,720
the permanent supportive

779
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:36,639
housing and for safe haven with

780
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:37,774
Boyd. Yeah.

781
00:45:37,774 --> 00:45:39,109
>> I should have done those

782
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:40,944
together, but I didn't.

783
00:45:40,944 --> 00:45:42,378
Commissioner motion by

784
00:45:42,378 --> 00:45:44,348
Commissioner Peter. Second by

785
00:45:44,348 --> 00:45:45,916
Commissioner Flowers. Assuming

786
00:45:45,916 --> 00:45:48,916
no questions. Bring up the

787
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,920
voting card for item 17. One

788
00:45:54,625 --> 00:45:56,260
more motion carries unanimously.

789
00:45:56,260 --> 00:45:57,160
Number 18.

790
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,560
>> This authorizes me, as

791
00:45:59,630 --> 00:46:02,300
county administrator, to be

792
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:03,866
able to adjust for pre-approved

793
00:46:03,866 --> 00:46:05,369
Arpa projects to where we are

794
00:46:05,369 --> 00:46:07,906
underspent by a few dollars on

795
00:46:07,906 --> 00:46:09,840
one, we can move it over to an

796
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,908
existing already bid project

797
00:46:11,908 --> 00:46:12,975
that we're currently

798
00:46:12,975 --> 00:46:14,144
implementing to be able to

799
00:46:14,144 --> 00:46:15,978
maximize the use of those Arpa

800
00:46:15,978 --> 00:46:17,916
funds that we have to spend

801
00:46:17,916 --> 00:46:19,480
those by the end of the year.

802
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,918
So at the end, time will

803
00:46:20,918 --> 00:46:21,585
tighten. We can we can move

804
00:46:21,585 --> 00:46:22,286
funds around appropriately.

805
00:46:22,286 --> 00:46:23,153
>> Second.

806
00:46:23,153 --> 00:46:24,788
>> Motion by Commissioner

807
00:46:24,788 --> 00:46:26,990
Peters. Second by Commissioner

808
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:28,425
Scott. And that voting card

809
00:46:28,425 --> 00:46:29,892
from the last one was still up

810
00:46:29,892 --> 00:46:31,327
there.

811
00:46:31,327 --> 00:46:32,428
>> Yeah.

812
00:46:32,428 --> 00:46:34,297
>> It's showing recorded on my

813
00:46:34,297 --> 00:46:35,364
end that I'm preparing for the

814
00:46:35,364 --> 00:46:36,600
next voting card. But let me

815
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,502
know if there's any issues.

816
00:46:38,502 --> 00:46:40,636
>> Okay. Try bring up the card

817
00:46:40,636 --> 00:46:43,506
for 18 if you can and see if we

818
00:46:43,506 --> 00:46:44,974
we can't move our. Yeah.

819
00:46:44,974 --> 00:46:46,430
>> Does it look correct for 18

820
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:48,430
currently?

821
00:46:49,645 --> 00:46:51,645
>> Motion carries unanimously

822
00:46:53,584 --> 00:46:57,184
and it's still there. I can't

823
00:46:58,220 --> 00:47:00,230
move mine. Am I the only 1.

824
00:47:00,230 --> 00:47:00,290
>> Or 1718 popped up but 18 is

825
00:47:00,290 --> 00:47:02,290
gone away.

826
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,129
>> 17 now 17 is back up. Yep.

827
00:47:04,129 --> 00:47:04,795
Perfect. Got it.

828
00:47:04,795 --> 00:47:06,262
>> Okay.

829
00:47:06,262 --> 00:47:08,432
>> Thank you. Thank you for

830
00:47:08,432 --> 00:47:09,768
taking care of that. Yours is

831
00:47:09,768 --> 00:47:11,634
still up.

832
00:47:11,634 --> 00:47:13,270
>> Yeah.

833
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:14,271
>> Everybody else's still.

834
00:47:14,271 --> 00:47:15,204
>> I can't maneuver.

835
00:47:15,204 --> 00:47:16,707
>> Mine's fine.

836
00:47:16,707 --> 00:47:18,474
>> I can't maneuver the screen

837
00:47:18,474 --> 00:47:19,575
until it goes away.

838
00:47:19,575 --> 00:47:21,678
>> You don't want to take

839
00:47:21,678 --> 00:47:23,847
longer on this meeting, so we

840
00:47:23,847 --> 00:47:25,682
have less time between.

841
00:47:25,682 --> 00:47:27,840
>> I've got to stretch.

842
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:28,986
>> I'll just turn it off and

843
00:47:28,986 --> 00:47:29,286
start back over. I can vote on

844
00:47:29,286 --> 00:47:30,520
this thing.

845
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,880
>> Okay.

846
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,121
>> So we can keep.

847
00:47:32,121 --> 00:47:33,990
>> You're good to go.

848
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:36,990
>> Did you try hitting another

849
00:47:37,326 --> 00:47:38,595
part of your screen? All right.

850
00:47:38,595 --> 00:47:39,863
>> If it's not working, you can

851
00:47:39,863 --> 00:47:41,864
let me know whether you're yes

852
00:47:41,864 --> 00:47:43,934
or no. I can record for you.

853
00:47:43,934 --> 00:47:46,236
Okay. I do show unanimous on 18

854
00:47:46,236 --> 00:47:48,636
though, as well as 17.

855
00:47:48,673 --> 00:47:49,640
>> All right. Item 19, please.

856
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,841
>> It's the Third Amendment to

857
00:47:50,841 --> 00:47:52,343
an agreement with precision

858
00:47:52,343 --> 00:47:54,277
sidewalk safety for. This is

859
00:47:54,277 --> 00:47:57,277
for our trip hazard prevention

860
00:47:58,810 --> 00:47:59,483
and maintenance. Move approval.

861
00:47:59,483 --> 00:48:01,118
>> Motion by Commissioner Scott,

862
00:48:01,118 --> 00:48:03,121
second by Commissioner Latvala.

863
00:48:03,121 --> 00:48:05,623
Any questions or comments on.

864
00:48:05,623 --> 00:48:08,623
19 bring up the voting card,

865
00:48:11,728 --> 00:48:13,728
please. Motion carries

866
00:48:13,931 --> 00:48:15,264
unanimously. Item 20.

867
00:48:15,264 --> 00:48:16,899
>> This is a Resilient Florida

868
00:48:16,899 --> 00:48:19,268
grant program application. This

869
00:48:19,268 --> 00:48:21,137
is for our South Cross Bayou

870
00:48:21,137 --> 00:48:22,940
Reclamation facility for high

871
00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:24,940
service pump station

872
00:48:26,543 --> 00:48:28,612
improvements. There we go.

873
00:48:28,612 --> 00:48:30,470
>> No motion in a second.

874
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:31,515
Motion by Commissioner Peters.

875
00:48:31,515 --> 00:48:33,683
Second by Commissioner Scott.

876
00:48:33,683 --> 00:48:36,519
Question on this. Are these

877
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:39,155
grants that come in as other

878
00:48:39,155 --> 00:48:41,258
income. Are they registered as

879
00:48:41,258 --> 00:48:42,240
expenses on the on the

880
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:42,860
department.

881
00:48:42,860 --> 00:48:44,695
>> On the capital.

882
00:48:44,695 --> 00:48:46,597
>> On the capital, or are they

883
00:48:46,597 --> 00:48:48,832
are they zero out outside the

884
00:48:48,832 --> 00:48:50,334
operating statement?

885
00:48:50,334 --> 00:48:52,350
>> Chris, come on up and answer

886
00:48:52,350 --> 00:48:54,350
the question.

887
00:48:54,104 --> 00:48:55,372
>> I just want to make sure I

888
00:48:55,372 --> 00:48:57,541
kind of know the answer. I want

889
00:48:57,541 --> 00:48:59,208
to make sure that the point

890
00:48:59,208 --> 00:49:01,770
being, when we get a lot of

891
00:49:01,770 --> 00:49:02,512
grants and we try to get grants

892
00:49:02,512 --> 00:49:04,810
it, we get the revenue. But

893
00:49:04,810 --> 00:49:05,549
sometimes it's and it shows up

894
00:49:05,549 --> 00:49:07,584
as expenses. I just wondering

895
00:49:07,584 --> 00:49:09,860
if that was the case.

896
00:49:09,860 --> 00:49:10,253
>> Yes, sir. Chris Rose Office

897
00:49:10,253 --> 00:49:12,188
of Management and Budget. They

898
00:49:12,188 --> 00:49:12,956
do show up as expenses in the

899
00:49:12,956 --> 00:49:14,391
capital budget.

900
00:49:14,391 --> 00:49:16,125
>> And the capital side. So it

901
00:49:16,125 --> 00:49:17,127
doesn't show up at all on the.

902
00:49:17,127 --> 00:49:18,950
>> That's correct.

903
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:19,730
>> Okay. That's right.

904
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:22,130
>> Thank you. You're welcome.

905
00:49:22,265 --> 00:49:24,601
>> All right. We have a motion

906
00:49:24,601 --> 00:49:28,201
and a second on item 20. Bring

907
00:49:32,776 --> 00:49:34,611
up the voting card, please.

908
00:49:34,611 --> 00:49:35,979
Motion carries unanimously.

909
00:49:35,979 --> 00:49:37,413
Item 21.

910
00:49:37,413 --> 00:49:39,583
>> This an agreement with jp

911
00:49:39,583 --> 00:49:42,520
Morgan Chase for our banking

912
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,219
services.

913
00:49:43,219 --> 00:49:44,922
>> Motion by Commissioner

914
00:49:44,922 --> 00:49:47,322
Peters. Second by Commissioner

915
00:49:49,393 --> 00:49:52,393
Scott. Any questions? Bring up

916
00:49:55,365 --> 00:49:58,365
the voting card, please. One

917
00:49:58,669 --> 00:50:01,690
more motion carries unanimously

918
00:50:01,238 --> 00:50:02,972
I County attorneys reports.

919
00:50:02,972 --> 00:50:05,209
>> On item number 22. I am

920
00:50:05,209 --> 00:50:07,760
going to ask that this item be

921
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,779
deferred until your SEPTEMBER

922
00:50:08,779 --> 00:50:10,413
10th meeting. No action

923
00:50:10,413 --> 00:50:11,515
necessary on the part of the

924
00:50:11,515 --> 00:50:13,417
board. We will simply put it on

925
00:50:13,417 --> 00:50:14,384
the agenda at that time.

926
00:50:14,384 --> 00:50:16,384
>> Okay. Thank you.

927
00:50:16,619 --> 00:50:17,788
>> Under item number 23,

928
00:50:17,788 --> 00:50:19,590
requesting authority to file

929
00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:21,325
suit in the referenced case,

930
00:50:21,325 --> 00:50:22,726
this will be a foreclosure of a

931
00:50:22,726 --> 00:50:24,228
special magistrate lien arising

932
00:50:24,228 --> 00:50:26,628
from a code enforcement

933
00:50:26,797 --> 00:50:27,798
proceeding.

934
00:50:27,798 --> 00:50:28,866
>> Second motion by

935
00:50:28,866 --> 00:50:31,340
Commissioner Peters, second by

936
00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:33,340
Commissioner Flowers. Any

937
00:50:34,104 --> 00:50:37,104
questions? Bring up the voting

938
00:50:39,709 --> 00:50:42,279
card, please. One more motion

939
00:50:42,279 --> 00:50:43,846
carries unanimously. Item 2424.

940
00:50:43,846 --> 00:50:45,482
>> I'm seeking a ratification

941
00:50:45,482 --> 00:50:47,283
of the chair's authority to

942
00:50:47,283 --> 00:50:48,751
file a petition to maintain

943
00:50:48,751 --> 00:50:51,188
custody of a cruelly or

944
00:50:51,188 --> 00:50:52,155
neglectfully treated animal.

945
00:50:52,155 --> 00:50:53,357
>> Second motion by

946
00:50:53,357 --> 00:50:54,925
Commissioner Peters, second by

947
00:50:54,925 --> 00:50:57,325
Commissioner Scott. Bring up

948
00:51:02,699 --> 00:51:05,269
the voting card, please. Motion

949
00:51:05,269 --> 00:51:06,369
carries unanimously. Item 2525.

950
00:51:06,369 --> 00:51:07,870
>> I'm asking that the board

951
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:08,971
approve the resolution that is

952
00:51:08,971 --> 00:51:10,506
attached to the agenda item.

953
00:51:10,506 --> 00:51:12,810
This is a resolution approving

954
00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:15,378
the early extension of the 2026

955
00:51:15,378 --> 00:51:17,800
tax rolls. This will allow your

956
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,347
tax collector to get the tax

957
00:51:18,347 --> 00:51:20,317
bills out on time. While the

958
00:51:20,317 --> 00:51:22,717
Value Adjustment Board process

959
00:51:22,853 --> 00:51:24,320
continues.

960
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,123
>> Motion by Commissioner

961
00:51:26,123 --> 00:51:27,557
second by Commissioner Peters.

962
00:51:27,557 --> 00:51:30,557
Bring up the voting card,

963
00:51:34,464 --> 00:51:36,464
please. Motion carries

964
00:51:36,566 --> 00:51:37,366
unanimously. Any other reports?

965
00:51:37,366 --> 00:51:39,366
>> No reports today.

966
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:40,871
>> Thank you. County

967
00:51:40,871 --> 00:51:42,871
administrator reports.

968
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,541
>> No report. We're working on

969
00:51:44,541 --> 00:51:45,542
budget. That's all I have to

970
00:51:45,542 --> 00:51:47,542
report.

971
00:51:48,545 --> 00:51:50,247
>> Okay. Well, good. Keep

972
00:51:50,247 --> 00:51:52,448
working hard. We got some

973
00:51:52,448 --> 00:51:53,817
meetings coming up, so we do.

974
00:51:53,817 --> 00:51:55,452
All right. We're going to jump

975
00:51:55,452 --> 00:51:57,870
into county commission comments.

976
00:51:57,870 --> 00:51:59,656
And we will start with

977
00:51:59,656 --> 00:52:01,424
Commissioner Scott.

978
00:52:01,424 --> 00:52:03,226
>> Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN.

979
00:52:03,226 --> 00:52:05,228
First of all, I want to thank

980
00:52:05,228 --> 00:52:06,663
Lisa for coming up to public

981
00:52:06,663 --> 00:52:07,698
comment today and just speaking

982
00:52:07,698 --> 00:52:10,100
on behalf of the Pinellas

983
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:12,500
County employees and and

984
00:52:12,736 --> 00:52:14,204
personally, I've always been

985
00:52:14,204 --> 00:52:15,439
very impressed with the quality

986
00:52:15,439 --> 00:52:17,400
of staff we here at Pinellas

987
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,542
County and, and they certainly

988
00:52:18,542 --> 00:52:19,610
have my support and appreciate

989
00:52:19,610 --> 00:52:22,610
everything that they do every

990
00:52:24,414 --> 00:52:25,849
day. I mean, working for

991
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:28,249
working for the government

992
00:52:28,819 --> 00:52:30,587
isn't always necessarily a sexy

993
00:52:30,587 --> 00:52:32,356
job, but it's one that is

994
00:52:32,356 --> 00:52:33,791
necessary. And they make life

995
00:52:33,791 --> 00:52:35,425
livable here in Pinellas County.

996
00:52:35,425 --> 00:52:39,530
So thank you for all the hard

997
00:52:39,530 --> 00:52:41,331
work that they do. So a couple

998
00:52:41,331 --> 00:52:43,901
items here on just some update

999
00:52:43,901 --> 00:52:46,680
community events. I was at the

1000
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,470
Upper Chamber Tampa Bay Chamber

1001
00:52:47,470 --> 00:52:49,306
Legislative Luncheon along with

1002
00:52:49,306 --> 00:52:51,706
Commissioner Nowicki, and we

1003
00:52:52,909 --> 00:52:54,644
did some q&a with with the

1004
00:52:54,644 --> 00:52:55,678
crowd there a lot, a lot of

1005
00:52:55,678 --> 00:52:57,648
discussion on amendment three

1006
00:52:57,648 --> 00:52:58,682
as you can as you can imagine,

1007
00:52:58,682 --> 00:53:00,851
among some other things, I got

1008
00:53:00,851 --> 00:53:03,251
to experience our special

1009
00:53:03,387 --> 00:53:04,688
magistrate process firsthand

1010
00:53:04,688 --> 00:53:06,557
with the result of the short

1011
00:53:06,557 --> 00:53:09,910
term rental that is just two

1012
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:10,426
doors down from me. It's very

1013
00:53:10,426 --> 00:53:11,727
interesting to kind of watch

1014
00:53:11,727 --> 00:53:13,430
that process and see how that

1015
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:14,932
how that play out played out.

1016
00:53:14,932 --> 00:53:15,632
And I thought I would

1017
00:53:15,632 --> 00:53:17,334
understood it pretty well just

1018
00:53:17,334 --> 00:53:18,135
from my interaction from code

1019
00:53:18,135 --> 00:53:20,135
enforcement, but actually

1020
00:53:20,903 --> 00:53:22,806
seeing it in real in real time

1021
00:53:22,806 --> 00:53:25,642
gave me even a deeper

1022
00:53:25,642 --> 00:53:27,760
appreciation for the hard work

1023
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:28,811
that code enforcement has to go

1024
00:53:28,811 --> 00:53:30,130
through to make sure they check

1025
00:53:30,130 --> 00:53:31,181
every box. And there's a very

1026
00:53:31,181 --> 00:53:33,150
methodical process that they

1027
00:53:33,150 --> 00:53:34,217
have to follow to make sure if

1028
00:53:34,217 --> 00:53:35,385
they're going to take something

1029
00:53:35,385 --> 00:53:37,488
before special magistrate that

1030
00:53:37,488 --> 00:53:40,457
it's actually going to stick.

1031
00:53:40,457 --> 00:53:41,859
So in this particular case,

1032
00:53:41,859 --> 00:53:43,660
code enforcement had

1033
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:45,660
recommended a $1,000 fine,

1034
00:53:46,262 --> 00:53:49,799
which was the was knocked down

1035
00:53:49,799 --> 00:53:52,690
to $500, but they were fined

1036
00:53:52,690 --> 00:53:53,771
$500. And immediately following

1037
00:53:53,771 --> 00:53:56,771
my case was, was Hillary

1038
00:53:57,390 --> 00:53:58,800
Simpson, who is also a

1039
00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:59,842
regularly complains about a

1040
00:53:59,842 --> 00:54:01,645
short term rental adjacent to

1041
00:54:01,645 --> 00:54:03,480
her home. And she had the exact

1042
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,382
same result as well. So I just

1043
00:54:05,382 --> 00:54:06,516
want to hats off to the code

1044
00:54:06,516 --> 00:54:08,819
enforcement team for all their

1045
00:54:08,819 --> 00:54:10,686
hard work and following through

1046
00:54:10,686 --> 00:54:11,822
on on a very detailed and

1047
00:54:11,822 --> 00:54:13,624
thorough investigation to get

1048
00:54:13,624 --> 00:54:15,359
the result that we got and

1049
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:16,593
being able to see, you know,

1050
00:54:16,593 --> 00:54:19,593
the types of questions that

1051
00:54:19,630 --> 00:54:21,466
were asked and the types of, of

1052
00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:22,566
defenses that the attorney

1053
00:54:22,566 --> 00:54:24,367
representing the short term

1054
00:54:24,367 --> 00:54:25,569
rental tried to come out with

1055
00:54:25,569 --> 00:54:26,602
gave us a little better

1056
00:54:26,602 --> 00:54:27,638
understanding of how to

1057
00:54:27,638 --> 00:54:30,380
approach things differently in

1058
00:54:30,274 --> 00:54:31,776
the future. So, so thankful to

1059
00:54:31,776 --> 00:54:32,976
go through that process and

1060
00:54:32,976 --> 00:54:35,512
that we were able to get a

1061
00:54:35,512 --> 00:54:36,546
positive result. Was that the

1062
00:54:36,546 --> 00:54:38,480
Tunnel to Towers home

1063
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,483
dedication in Pinellas Park? I

1064
00:54:40,483 --> 00:54:43,190
think it was Friday last week,

1065
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:44,720
and Representative Luna's staff

1066
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,230
was all down from dc last week

1067
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:47,423
as well, touring the entire

1068
00:54:47,423 --> 00:54:49,126
county. They took a bus all

1069
00:54:49,126 --> 00:54:50,961
over the county, even up into

1070
00:54:50,961 --> 00:54:52,463
Pasco County, and toured her

1071
00:54:52,463 --> 00:54:54,932
entire district. So I met them

1072
00:54:54,932 --> 00:54:56,700
for coffee. Nice to to meet her

1073
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:59,700
entire team, even the folks

1074
00:55:01,405 --> 00:55:02,906
that were down from dc. Also, I,

1075
00:55:02,906 --> 00:55:05,409
I think at our work session

1076
00:55:05,409 --> 00:55:08,979
last week, I looked at a, a

1077
00:55:08,979 --> 00:55:12,249
line item that was in the

1078
00:55:12,249 --> 00:55:14,649
public defender's budget. That

1079
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,119
was $767,000. And then there

1080
00:55:18,754 --> 00:55:20,223
was another that was for Public

1081
00:55:20,223 --> 00:55:22,623
Defender Special, and then

1082
00:55:22,992 --> 00:55:24,661
another $939,300 in public

1083
00:55:24,661 --> 00:55:26,395
defender mitigation, advocacy

1084
00:55:26,395 --> 00:55:28,332
and treatment. And I just

1085
00:55:28,332 --> 00:55:29,266
wanted to have a line of sight

1086
00:55:29,266 --> 00:55:30,534
better understanding of what

1087
00:55:30,534 --> 00:55:33,470
that money was actually being

1088
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:36,240
spent for. And I had a really

1089
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,475
great conversation last week

1090
00:55:38,475 --> 00:55:39,743
with Sarah Marlow, and I very

1091
00:55:39,743 --> 00:55:41,277
much appreciate everything that

1092
00:55:41,277 --> 00:55:44,181
she does and her passion for

1093
00:55:44,181 --> 00:55:45,616
her job. These monies are not

1094
00:55:45,616 --> 00:55:47,384
they're not required under

1095
00:55:47,384 --> 00:55:48,518
title five. They're not

1096
00:55:48,518 --> 00:55:50,687
required that we spend any of

1097
00:55:50,687 --> 00:55:52,220
these money by the state. What

1098
00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:53,857
they're for is basically

1099
00:55:53,857 --> 00:55:55,857
they're providing social

1100
00:55:56,793 --> 00:56:00,393
services to people that are in

1101
00:56:01,732 --> 00:56:03,901
the in the criminal defense

1102
00:56:03,901 --> 00:56:06,690
situation and trying to keep

1103
00:56:06,690 --> 00:56:07,538
them from getting rearrested,

1104
00:56:07,538 --> 00:56:09,600
trying to connect them with

1105
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,406
social services, helping them

1106
00:56:12,342 --> 00:56:14,742
out with transportation, things

1107
00:56:16,145 --> 00:56:18,348
like that. And it supports five

1108
00:56:18,348 --> 00:56:20,150
FTEs, all non-lawyers.

1109
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:22,550
Basically, it's providing case

1110
00:56:23,860 --> 00:56:25,956
management is what it is, was

1111
00:56:25,956 --> 00:56:27,758
not a program that that she

1112
00:56:27,758 --> 00:56:29,259
started. It was a program that

1113
00:56:29,259 --> 00:56:32,259
Bob Dillinger started back in

1114
00:56:34,898 --> 00:56:36,633
the day. And the I'm sure this

1115
00:56:36,633 --> 00:56:38,535
is helping people out. The

1116
00:56:38,535 --> 00:56:40,804
challenge that I had with it

1117
00:56:40,804 --> 00:56:43,172
and have with it is that how do

1118
00:56:43,172 --> 00:56:44,274
we define success with it? And

1119
00:56:44,274 --> 00:56:45,843
there weren't any metrics on

1120
00:56:45,843 --> 00:56:48,978
that. I mean, how many people

1121
00:56:48,978 --> 00:56:50,414
are not getting rearrested? How

1122
00:56:50,414 --> 00:56:52,883
many people, you know, how is

1123
00:56:52,883 --> 00:56:55,283
this affecting jail population?

1124
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:57,620
You know, how is this affecting

1125
00:56:57,620 --> 00:57:00,290
recidivism? And none of that

1126
00:57:00,290 --> 00:57:02,192
data is available. And this is

1127
00:57:02,192 --> 00:57:03,627
kind of a situation I look at

1128
00:57:03,627 --> 00:57:05,863
almost like Pinellas hope. It's

1129
00:57:05,863 --> 00:57:06,797
like if you got rid of it,

1130
00:57:06,797 --> 00:57:08,298
there's going to be a problem.

1131
00:57:08,298 --> 00:57:09,433
We don't really know where the

1132
00:57:09,433 --> 00:57:11,535
problem is going to go

1133
00:57:11,535 --> 00:57:14,138
necessarily. And I kind of view

1134
00:57:14,138 --> 00:57:15,172
this as one of those social

1135
00:57:15,172 --> 00:57:16,506
services that is great

1136
00:57:16,506 --> 00:57:17,608
intentions and probably started

1137
00:57:17,608 --> 00:57:19,343
as one thing and probably got

1138
00:57:19,343 --> 00:57:20,444
some mission creep. And now

1139
00:57:20,444 --> 00:57:21,677
it's probably doing a lot of

1140
00:57:21,677 --> 00:57:23,480
different things that it

1141
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,649
probably never intended to do,

1142
00:57:25,649 --> 00:57:26,884
perhaps at, at the start. And

1143
00:57:26,884 --> 00:57:27,851
I'm not, I'm not really

1144
00:57:27,851 --> 00:57:29,686
suggesting we have a specific

1145
00:57:29,686 --> 00:57:30,854
call to action on this this

1146
00:57:30,854 --> 00:57:32,389
year, but it's just another one

1147
00:57:32,389 --> 00:57:33,623
of those line items that I

1148
00:57:33,623 --> 00:57:35,659
think is probably being

1149
00:57:35,659 --> 00:57:36,860
duplicative. There are a ton of

1150
00:57:36,860 --> 00:57:38,629
not for profits out here that

1151
00:57:38,629 --> 00:57:40,864
do these exact same things.

1152
00:57:40,864 --> 00:57:41,866
Connecting people to homeless

1153
00:57:41,866 --> 00:57:43,233
services, mental health

1154
00:57:43,233 --> 00:57:45,233
services, substance abuse

1155
00:57:45,436 --> 00:57:46,537
services, and basically, you

1156
00:57:46,537 --> 00:57:48,937
know, public Defender's office

1157
00:57:49,106 --> 00:57:51,875
is a law firm that's providing

1158
00:57:51,875 --> 00:57:52,976
social services completely

1159
00:57:52,976 --> 00:57:54,445
outside the mission of what

1160
00:57:54,445 --> 00:57:56,845
they're what they're really

1161
00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:59,850
their core function is. But if

1162
00:57:59,850 --> 00:58:01,651
we didn't do it, there would be

1163
00:58:01,651 --> 00:58:04,556
people that probably would get

1164
00:58:04,556 --> 00:58:06,356
rearrested. The jail population

1165
00:58:06,356 --> 00:58:09,259
MAY go up, and that costs us

1166
00:58:09,259 --> 00:58:11,940
money too. So what I would just

1167
00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:13,970
like to see in the future is

1168
00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:14,264
that if we can, if we can try

1169
00:58:14,264 --> 00:58:16,433
to get some metrics on this,

1170
00:58:16,433 --> 00:58:17,534
you know, how is the money?

1171
00:58:17,534 --> 00:58:19,636
What's the return on that

1172
00:58:19,636 --> 00:58:20,971
investment? And it's really,

1173
00:58:20,971 --> 00:58:22,106
really hard to know right now

1174
00:58:22,106 --> 00:58:24,700
because it's just not being

1175
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:25,808
tracked. So that would be

1176
00:58:25,808 --> 00:58:27,211
something that I would request,

1177
00:58:27,211 --> 00:58:28,946
you know, from Sarah and from

1178
00:58:28,946 --> 00:58:30,146
our Health and Human Services

1179
00:58:30,146 --> 00:58:31,316
team, if we could try to get

1180
00:58:31,316 --> 00:58:33,716
some understanding in the

1181
00:58:33,851 --> 00:58:35,452
future of what are we getting

1182
00:58:35,452 --> 00:58:38,155
for that spend? Because you

1183
00:58:38,155 --> 00:58:40,570
look at that, there's $1.7

1184
00:58:40,570 --> 00:58:41,580
million. Then you look at Safe

1185
00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:42,959
Harbor, there's another $2.4

1186
00:58:42,959 --> 00:58:44,128
million, and we could probably

1187
00:58:44,128 --> 00:58:45,262
go through the Health and Human

1188
00:58:45,262 --> 00:58:47,640
Services budget and probably

1189
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:48,232
find a lot of other line items

1190
00:58:48,232 --> 00:58:49,967
like that, too, that, you know,

1191
00:58:49,967 --> 00:58:51,335
health care for the homeless

1192
00:58:51,335 --> 00:58:53,237
and dental van for the homeless.

1193
00:58:53,237 --> 00:58:55,104
And, you know, there's a lot of

1194
00:58:55,104 --> 00:58:56,373
those types of things where I'm

1195
00:58:56,373 --> 00:58:59,760
sure it's doing good in the

1196
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,676
community, but it just seems

1197
00:59:00,676 --> 00:59:03,212
like there's a lot of overlap.

1198
00:59:03,212 --> 00:59:06,150
And it's a very decentralized

1199
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:08,550
system, very fragmented system

1200
00:59:08,551 --> 00:59:10,520
that I think could be a lot

1201
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,556
more efficient. We just have to

1202
00:59:11,556 --> 00:59:13,856
figure out different ways of

1203
00:59:13,856 --> 00:59:14,357
doing it. So that is my report,

1204
00:59:14,357 --> 00:59:15,793
MR. CHAIRMAN.

1205
00:59:15,793 --> 00:59:16,827
>> Thank you. Okay. Thank you,

1206
00:59:16,827 --> 00:59:18,662
Commissioner Scott.

1207
00:59:18,662 --> 00:59:20,662
Commissioner Nowicki.

1208
00:59:21,564 --> 00:59:24,435
>> Thank you, chair. First, for

1209
00:59:24,435 --> 00:59:25,903
new business. You know, I was

1210
00:59:25,903 --> 00:59:26,937
wondering maybe, you know, I

1211
00:59:26,937 --> 00:59:28,539
could connect, you know, Barry

1212
00:59:28,539 --> 00:59:29,540
could help me maybe connect

1213
00:59:29,540 --> 00:59:31,340
somebody with staff with

1214
00:59:31,340 --> 00:59:32,543
Sunstar to, you know, I've been

1215
00:59:32,543 --> 00:59:34,311
hearing a lot of things about

1216
00:59:34,311 --> 00:59:36,312
priority dispatch, and I guess

1217
00:59:36,312 --> 00:59:38,482
that was kind of relatively

1218
00:59:38,482 --> 00:59:39,917
implemented in 2019, you know,

1219
00:59:39,917 --> 00:59:41,785
before my time. And so I've

1220
00:59:41,785 --> 00:59:44,253
just been hearing kind of some

1221
00:59:44,253 --> 00:59:47,157
complaints about it that, you

1222
00:59:47,157 --> 00:59:48,592
know, Sunstar MAY not have the

1223
00:59:48,592 --> 00:59:50,693
resources that there's like 20

1224
00:59:50,693 --> 00:59:52,229
minute call wait times, and

1225
00:59:52,229 --> 00:59:53,963
then there's an emergency and

1226
00:59:53,963 --> 00:59:56,767
then it's elevated to like

1227
00:59:56,767 --> 00:59:59,200
emergency 911 response, kind of

1228
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,138
defeating the whole priority

1229
01:00:01,138 --> 01:00:02,572
dispatch system. So I don't

1230
01:00:02,572 --> 01:00:04,441
know, you know, maybe we could

1231
01:00:04,441 --> 01:00:05,476
get a report on, you know, how

1232
01:00:05,476 --> 01:00:07,644
many times priority dispatch

1233
01:00:07,644 --> 01:00:10,147
calls come in, and then Sunstar

1234
01:00:10,147 --> 01:00:13,150
then has to elevate those calls

1235
01:00:13,150 --> 01:00:14,851
to 911 emergency responses.

1236
01:00:14,851 --> 01:00:16,653
Instead of using the priority

1237
01:00:16,653 --> 01:00:18,789
dispatch system. So maybe we

1238
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:20,957
could get some more numbers on

1239
01:00:20,957 --> 01:00:22,359
that.

1240
01:00:22,359 --> 01:00:24,260
>> Those numbers are readily

1241
01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:25,963
available, so we should those

1242
01:00:25,963 --> 01:00:28,132
should be there's, you know,

1243
01:00:28,132 --> 01:00:29,233
there is the transport between

1244
01:00:29,233 --> 01:00:31,468
facilities and, you know,

1245
01:00:31,468 --> 01:00:33,570
places like that that does not

1246
01:00:33,570 --> 01:00:35,710
have that time frame, but they

1247
01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:36,173
usually follow our first

1248
01:00:36,173 --> 01:00:37,440
responders out. I think they

1249
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,243
have a ten minute target time.

1250
01:00:39,243 --> 01:00:39,442
I'm not sure what it is, but

1251
01:00:39,442 --> 01:00:41,145
Barry.

1252
01:00:41,145 --> 01:00:42,279
>> There's a there's a lot

1253
01:00:42,279 --> 01:00:43,313
going on with that. We

1254
01:00:43,313 --> 01:00:45,116
certainly can get you more

1255
01:00:45,116 --> 01:00:46,283
information. I'd love for you

1256
01:00:46,283 --> 01:00:47,416
to meet with staff and kind of

1257
01:00:47,416 --> 01:00:49,860
go through that, because

1258
01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:50,320
priority dispatch just is, is

1259
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,421
really on the fire and ems side

1260
01:00:51,421 --> 01:00:53,724
versus. And it's integrated

1261
01:00:53,724 --> 01:00:55,526
with Sunstar and Priority

1262
01:00:55,526 --> 01:00:57,760
dispatch really is talking

1263
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,830
about how, you know, how many,

1264
01:00:59,830 --> 01:01:01,632
what sending the appropriate

1265
01:01:01,632 --> 01:01:03,660
response to the situation, you

1266
01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:05,601
know, rather than, you know,

1267
01:01:05,601 --> 01:01:06,300
two Sunstar and two fire trucks

1268
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:06,370
and to.

1269
01:01:06,370 --> 01:01:08,138
>> a.

1270
01:01:08,138 --> 01:01:09,640
>> Stubbed toe, you know, and,

1271
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:10,773
and trying and trying to make

1272
01:01:10,773 --> 01:01:12,543
some of those calls, happy to

1273
01:01:12,543 --> 01:01:13,677
go through that. We can get

1274
01:01:13,677 --> 01:01:15,478
choked up with staff. And

1275
01:01:15,478 --> 01:01:16,746
they've got all kinds of data

1276
01:01:16,746 --> 01:01:17,748
on that type of information.

1277
01:01:17,748 --> 01:01:19,615
>> Okay, great. Thank you. And

1278
01:01:19,615 --> 01:01:20,717
then I wanted to bring up I

1279
01:01:20,717 --> 01:01:23,219
didn't know, you know, the

1280
01:01:23,219 --> 01:01:24,488
proper, you know, format on the

1281
01:01:24,488 --> 01:01:26,240
administrator review. You know,

1282
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,900
I guess I didn't understand why

1283
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:29,960
we set a date and then the date

1284
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,194
was pushed back. And I guess I

1285
01:01:31,194 --> 01:01:33,697
also didn't understand on why

1286
01:01:33,697 --> 01:01:35,466
like it's not televised, but

1287
01:01:35,466 --> 01:01:37,534
last year the administrative

1288
01:01:37,534 --> 01:01:39,102
review was televised, so I just

1289
01:01:39,102 --> 01:01:41,872
didn't know if there was any

1290
01:01:41,872 --> 01:01:43,106
clarity because those are only

1291
01:01:43,106 --> 01:01:44,943
my you know, I did one last

1292
01:01:44,943 --> 01:01:46,110
year, it was televised and then

1293
01:01:46,110 --> 01:01:47,111
I saw this year it's not

1294
01:01:47,111 --> 01:01:49,113
televised. So I guess.

1295
01:01:49,113 --> 01:01:51,381
>> There was no no particular

1296
01:01:51,381 --> 01:01:52,583
reason. But we certainly can if

1297
01:01:52,583 --> 01:01:54,585
the will of the commissioners

1298
01:01:54,585 --> 01:01:55,986
to put it on the on the you

1299
01:01:55,986 --> 01:01:56,687
know, we can do that. That's

1300
01:01:56,687 --> 01:01:58,455
not it.

1301
01:01:58,455 --> 01:02:00,357
>> It has changed depending

1302
01:02:00,357 --> 01:02:02,493
upon the. Chair yeah.

1303
01:02:02,493 --> 01:02:03,227
>> Preference. Yeah. No, no

1304
01:02:03,227 --> 01:02:04,494
particular reason.

1305
01:02:04,494 --> 01:02:05,496
>> We haven't even had that

1306
01:02:05,496 --> 01:02:07,564
conversation with the chair

1307
01:02:07,564 --> 01:02:09,833
with the current chair yet.

1308
01:02:09,833 --> 01:02:11,567
>> So, I mean, my, my, my issue

1309
01:02:11,567 --> 01:02:12,603
has always been about

1310
01:02:12,603 --> 01:02:14,300
transparency. So more than

1311
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:15,439
likely will be on the, on the

1312
01:02:15,439 --> 01:02:16,939
agenda somewhere.

1313
01:02:16,939 --> 01:02:20,539
>> Okay. And then I just wanted

1314
01:02:21,245 --> 01:02:22,278
to also thank Julie and Jewel,

1315
01:02:22,278 --> 01:02:23,646
you know, for the canvasing

1316
01:02:23,646 --> 01:02:25,182
board. You know, I know they

1317
01:02:25,182 --> 01:02:26,983
had a really close election, so

1318
01:02:26,983 --> 01:02:28,185
they had to, you know, Jewel

1319
01:02:28,185 --> 01:02:29,486
and her staff was working

1320
01:02:29,486 --> 01:02:31,220
really hard along with the

1321
01:02:31,220 --> 01:02:32,422
supervisor of elections staff

1322
01:02:32,422 --> 01:02:33,990
working really hard. And I

1323
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:35,225
thought, you know, they had a

1324
01:02:35,225 --> 01:02:36,660
clean election and Jewel

1325
01:02:36,660 --> 01:02:39,595
working hard on the canvasing

1326
01:02:39,595 --> 01:02:41,564
board. So I appreciate that.

1327
01:02:41,564 --> 01:02:43,434
And then lastly, you know,

1328
01:02:43,434 --> 01:02:46,102
there was the good Florida Tax

1329
01:02:46,102 --> 01:02:47,271
Watch article that was sent out

1330
01:02:47,271 --> 01:02:48,238
and it was, you know,

1331
01:02:48,238 --> 01:02:49,672
interesting to see how, you

1332
01:02:49,672 --> 01:02:52,720
know, Pinellas County ranked

1333
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:55,878
number six as the most highest

1334
01:02:55,878 --> 01:02:58,878
millage rate out of 67 counties.

1335
01:02:58,948 --> 01:03:00,484
So I found that interesting.

1336
01:03:00,484 --> 01:03:01,852
You know, so there's definitely

1337
01:03:01,852 --> 01:03:03,454
some good information in that

1338
01:03:03,454 --> 01:03:05,823
Florida Tax Watch article. So

1339
01:03:05,823 --> 01:03:07,256
thank you, Commissioner Flowers.

1340
01:03:07,256 --> 01:03:08,693
And that is it. Chair. Thank

1341
01:03:08,693 --> 01:03:10,161
you.

1342
01:03:10,161 --> 01:03:12,161
>> Commissioner Peters.

1343
01:03:12,296 --> 01:03:13,796
>> Yeah, I just want to

1344
01:03:13,796 --> 01:03:14,832
congratulate Jewel and Julie on

1345
01:03:14,832 --> 01:03:16,533
that election. That's two

1346
01:03:16,533 --> 01:03:18,435
elections in a row with a

1347
01:03:18,435 --> 01:03:20,504
mandatory recount. Wow. That's

1348
01:03:20,504 --> 01:03:21,638
incredible. And the fact that

1349
01:03:21,638 --> 01:03:23,506
it was a difference of two

1350
01:03:23,506 --> 01:03:24,675
votes in the beginning and then

1351
01:03:24,675 --> 01:03:26,377
turned out to only be seven

1352
01:03:26,377 --> 01:03:27,779
votes. So clearly every vote

1353
01:03:27,779 --> 01:03:29,212
counts. And it's really good to

1354
01:03:29,212 --> 01:03:32,212
have a supervisor of election

1355
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:34,284
and a team that is so good.

1356
01:03:34,284 --> 01:03:35,652
It's the the redundancy that

1357
01:03:35,652 --> 01:03:37,154
they do that they make sure

1358
01:03:37,154 --> 01:03:40,323
they don't have errors and they

1359
01:03:40,323 --> 01:03:41,492
do a great job. I don't have a

1360
01:03:41,492 --> 01:03:43,626
lot to report except for I went

1361
01:03:43,626 --> 01:03:45,394
to the Tampa Estuary meeting

1362
01:03:45,394 --> 01:03:46,497
down at Port Manatee. It was

1363
01:03:46,497 --> 01:03:47,965
this year. They're they're

1364
01:03:47,965 --> 01:03:50,299
going all through the estuary

1365
01:03:50,299 --> 01:03:52,202
for their meetings. Would have

1366
01:03:52,202 --> 01:03:54,171
been nice if they let us tour

1367
01:03:54,171 --> 01:03:55,539
it, but they didn't. But

1368
01:03:55,539 --> 01:03:56,974
anyways, what was one of the

1369
01:03:56,974 --> 01:03:58,974
presentations was very

1370
01:03:59,942 --> 01:04:03,800
interesting is back in the 60s,

1371
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:04,948
the way that this country

1372
01:04:04,948 --> 01:04:06,683
decided in this state to get

1373
01:04:06,683 --> 01:04:09,153
rid of tires because we didn't

1374
01:04:09,153 --> 01:04:11,540
recycle tires back then, and

1375
01:04:11,540 --> 01:04:14,540
burning them was very dangerous.

1376
01:04:14,625 --> 01:04:15,958
And so they decided to tie them

1377
01:04:15,958 --> 01:04:17,962
together and dump them in the

1378
01:04:17,962 --> 01:04:19,228
bay. And so we have a bunch of

1379
01:04:19,228 --> 01:04:20,964
tire reefs in the bay, and they

1380
01:04:20,964 --> 01:04:23,299
are analyzing one that's just

1381
01:04:23,299 --> 01:04:25,350
off of Pinellas Point. And

1382
01:04:25,350 --> 01:04:27,570
they've done a lot of surveys

1383
01:04:27,570 --> 01:04:29,806
with anglers and boaters and

1384
01:04:29,806 --> 01:04:31,608
other scientists to see what is

1385
01:04:31,608 --> 01:04:33,310
the best approach, how much

1386
01:04:33,310 --> 01:04:35,770
each approach is going to cost.

1387
01:04:35,770 --> 01:04:36,914
If you totally remove the tires,

1388
01:04:36,914 --> 01:04:38,815
how much is that going to cost?

1389
01:04:38,815 --> 01:04:40,684
If we remove some of the tires

1390
01:04:40,684 --> 01:04:42,319
and put other structures that

1391
01:04:42,319 --> 01:04:45,319
will actually create a reef,

1392
01:04:45,989 --> 01:04:47,724
like concrete or rocks, the the

1393
01:04:47,724 --> 01:04:50,260
tires, things don't grow on it

1394
01:04:50,260 --> 01:04:52,960
properly to to create a reef,

1395
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,966
although they did find quite a

1396
01:04:54,966 --> 01:04:57,468
few species of fish in and

1397
01:04:57,468 --> 01:05:00,370
around it. But most of the

1398
01:05:00,370 --> 01:05:01,772
coral growth was on rocks and

1399
01:05:01,772 --> 01:05:03,974
the cement that got poured into

1400
01:05:03,974 --> 01:05:05,800
the tires to keep them sunk. So

1401
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:06,376
it was interesting. But what

1402
01:05:06,376 --> 01:05:07,944
they did find when they went

1403
01:05:07,944 --> 01:05:09,645
and surveyed the site is that

1404
01:05:09,645 --> 01:05:11,114
many of the tires have broken

1405
01:05:11,114 --> 01:05:12,916
free, and they're moving, so

1406
01:05:12,916 --> 01:05:15,916
they're scattered. Many of the

1407
01:05:16,186 --> 01:05:18,722
tires are frayed and are. D you

1408
01:05:18,722 --> 01:05:20,457
know, d they're getting you

1409
01:05:20,457 --> 01:05:21,524
know, they're not really

1410
01:05:21,524 --> 01:05:22,659
dissolving, but they, they're

1411
01:05:22,659 --> 01:05:25,528
breaking off into pieces and

1412
01:05:25,528 --> 01:05:26,963
they're getting into the water.

1413
01:05:26,963 --> 01:05:29,165
And that has a big impact on

1414
01:05:29,165 --> 01:05:30,634
water quality. So it was a very

1415
01:05:30,634 --> 01:05:32,634
interesting presentation. Both

1416
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,380
the scientists, both both the

1417
01:05:35,380 --> 01:05:36,340
anglers and boaters all said

1418
01:05:36,340 --> 01:05:38,208
that full removal would be the

1419
01:05:38,208 --> 01:05:39,710
most optimal. They'll never be

1420
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:42,780
able to do full removal because

1421
01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:43,413
of how many tires have moved.

1422
01:05:43,413 --> 01:05:44,648
They don't believe they can get

1423
01:05:44,648 --> 01:05:46,517
them all, but they can get the

1424
01:05:46,517 --> 01:05:48,218
vast majority of them, which of

1425
01:05:48,218 --> 01:05:50,721
course is the most expensive

1426
01:05:50,721 --> 01:05:52,422
option. So they are seeking

1427
01:05:52,422 --> 01:05:53,956
ways in which they can fund

1428
01:05:53,956 --> 01:05:55,425
that and they will do it in

1429
01:05:55,425 --> 01:05:56,680
sections. So I believe they

1430
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,628
have some funding to do some of

1431
01:05:58,628 --> 01:06:00,464
it now. And then over time, as

1432
01:06:00,464 --> 01:06:02,966
they get grants and things like

1433
01:06:02,966 --> 01:06:04,767
that, they will remove that

1434
01:06:04,767 --> 01:06:06,869
reef. And then maybe there's a

1435
01:06:06,869 --> 01:06:09,138
potential of rebuilding a new

1436
01:06:09,138 --> 01:06:11,208
reef in the same location. So

1437
01:06:11,208 --> 01:06:13,410
that's it was very interesting.

1438
01:06:13,410 --> 01:06:15,508
I really enjoyed the

1439
01:06:15,508 --> 01:06:17,670
presentation. Thanks.

1440
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:18,608
>> Thank you. That's

1441
01:06:18,608 --> 01:06:20,317
interesting, Commissioner sheer.

1442
01:06:20,317 --> 01:06:22,418
>> Oh, thank you chair. Yeah.

1443
01:06:22,418 --> 01:06:24,988
I've been going through my psta

1444
01:06:24,988 --> 01:06:26,564
meetings. Yes, Mike.

1445
01:06:26,564 --> 01:06:28,564
>> Thanks.

1446
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:34,263
>> I've been attending my psta.

1447
01:06:34,263 --> 01:06:35,553
Popik's pretty much.

1448
01:06:35,553 --> 01:06:38,553
>> I've been focused on the

1449
01:06:38,636 --> 01:06:40,369
budget, which leads me to the

1450
01:06:40,369 --> 01:06:42,306
the email I sent to Barry

1451
01:06:42,306 --> 01:06:45,408
yesterday. I copied you all on.

1452
01:06:45,408 --> 01:06:48,312
I've been trying very hard to

1453
01:06:48,312 --> 01:06:50,800
get a grasp on the size of our

1454
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:51,216
our departments and how much

1455
01:06:51,216 --> 01:06:53,417
money is spent on our

1456
01:06:53,417 --> 01:06:56,286
departments, and I have, you

1457
01:06:56,286 --> 01:06:58,388
know, become aware that not all

1458
01:06:58,388 --> 01:06:59,556
of our departments reflect

1459
01:06:59,556 --> 01:07:01,258
exactly what what we're going

1460
01:07:01,258 --> 01:07:03,560
to spend in those departments.

1461
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,628
It's the budgeted amount. And

1462
01:07:05,628 --> 01:07:06,830
that amount that we're given is

1463
01:07:06,830 --> 01:07:09,830
lower than what is actually

1464
01:07:09,967 --> 01:07:11,468
going to cost because of contra

1465
01:07:11,468 --> 01:07:12,903
numbers. Now a contra number,

1466
01:07:12,903 --> 01:07:15,903
and I've reviewed this with

1467
01:07:16,106 --> 01:07:18,242
Chris many times, if you go to

1468
01:07:18,242 --> 01:07:19,309
the public works department and

1469
01:07:19,309 --> 01:07:21,878
you study the budget, you'll

1470
01:07:21,878 --> 01:07:23,280
see that the budget is $173

1471
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,483
million, but that is not the

1472
01:07:26,483 --> 01:07:29,386
total cost of that budget, that

1473
01:07:29,386 --> 01:07:30,921
that budget is funded by many

1474
01:07:30,921 --> 01:07:32,656
by six different funds. But you

1475
01:07:32,656 --> 01:07:34,423
won't see the Penny fund in

1476
01:07:34,423 --> 01:07:35,826
there. Now, the the Public

1477
01:07:35,826 --> 01:07:37,427
Works Department does a lot of

1478
01:07:37,427 --> 01:07:39,950
work for the penny and charges

1479
01:07:39,950 --> 01:07:40,531
the penny, but it's not

1480
01:07:40,531 --> 01:07:41,999
reflected in that budget

1481
01:07:41,999 --> 01:07:44,835
because they charge it back.

1482
01:07:44,835 --> 01:07:47,400
But what the budgeting process

1483
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:48,506
is, my understanding is you

1484
01:07:48,506 --> 01:07:50,274
take the total cost of the

1485
01:07:50,274 --> 01:07:52,476
Public Works Department, and

1486
01:07:52,476 --> 01:07:54,912
then you. And then they back

1487
01:07:54,912 --> 01:07:56,450
out the penny costs or in other

1488
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:57,147
funds. And then that's the

1489
01:07:57,147 --> 01:07:59,615
number you see. So if the

1490
01:07:59,615 --> 01:08:01,150
Public Works Department was

1491
01:08:01,150 --> 01:08:02,886
$200 million, and they back out

1492
01:08:02,886 --> 01:08:04,687
the contra numbers for the

1493
01:08:04,687 --> 01:08:06,880
penny, anticipated penny

1494
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:07,690
revenues are going to come in

1495
01:08:07,690 --> 01:08:11,290
for funding. Then you get down

1496
01:08:11,495 --> 01:08:14,697
to $173 million. And so what I

1497
01:08:14,697 --> 01:08:16,566
have been asking for is an

1498
01:08:16,566 --> 01:08:18,680
accounting of the contra

1499
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:19,770
numbers. So I can add them back

1500
01:08:19,770 --> 01:08:21,206
to the budgets and see what the

1501
01:08:21,206 --> 01:08:23,506
department actually costs in

1502
01:08:23,506 --> 01:08:25,108
total. Now, I'm not saying that

1503
01:08:25,108 --> 01:08:27,440
it's wrong. We definitely want

1504
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:28,779
to charge different funds for

1505
01:08:28,779 --> 01:08:30,581
administration and expenses,

1506
01:08:30,581 --> 01:08:32,480
but as a commission, we need to

1507
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:33,916
know what those charge backs

1508
01:08:33,916 --> 01:08:35,251
are, and we need to know what

1509
01:08:35,251 --> 01:08:37,788
the total cost of the

1510
01:08:37,788 --> 01:08:39,522
department is. And that's why I

1511
01:08:39,522 --> 01:08:41,922
respectfully requested and have

1512
01:08:42,910 --> 01:08:43,962
been requesting a complete list

1513
01:08:43,962 --> 01:08:46,950
of the contra charges that

1514
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:47,497
Chris is using to present the

1515
01:08:47,497 --> 01:08:48,965
budgets to us, because those

1516
01:08:48,965 --> 01:08:50,366
Contras. If you want to know

1517
01:08:50,366 --> 01:08:52,903
what the total cost of the

1518
01:08:52,903 --> 01:08:55,405
budget is, you add those contra

1519
01:08:55,405 --> 01:08:57,274
charges back. I don't get that.

1520
01:08:57,274 --> 01:08:58,307
And you don't get it. I haven't

1521
01:08:58,307 --> 01:09:00,177
seen these contra charges. I

1522
01:09:00,177 --> 01:09:01,945
don't know how to find them. So

1523
01:09:01,945 --> 01:09:04,782
but I've been asking for that.

1524
01:09:04,782 --> 01:09:06,884
And then I think as a

1525
01:09:06,884 --> 01:09:08,684
commission we should also know

1526
01:09:08,684 --> 01:09:11,255
how much have we charged our

1527
01:09:11,255 --> 01:09:12,656
different funds for

1528
01:09:12,656 --> 01:09:13,856
administration overhead and

1529
01:09:13,856 --> 01:09:15,626
expenses for the last couple of

1530
01:09:15,626 --> 01:09:17,427
years. I don't I don't know

1531
01:09:17,427 --> 01:09:19,129
what that number is. And so

1532
01:09:19,129 --> 01:09:20,363
I've been trying to get a

1533
01:09:20,363 --> 01:09:22,399
handle on it, and that's why I

1534
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:23,634
requested it. And I know that,

1535
01:09:23,634 --> 01:09:25,135
Barry, I know that you guys

1536
01:09:25,135 --> 01:09:26,336
have been respectful and you've

1537
01:09:26,336 --> 01:09:29,239
met with me and talked to me

1538
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:30,674
about it, but all I get is you.

1539
01:09:30,674 --> 01:09:32,408
I get an explanation of what

1540
01:09:32,408 --> 01:09:34,344
you're doing, but I don't know

1541
01:09:34,344 --> 01:09:35,746
how much it costs. And I'm the

1542
01:09:35,746 --> 01:09:37,313
I'm a numbers guy. I want to

1543
01:09:37,313 --> 01:09:39,349
know what we've been charging

1544
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:41,840
these funds for and what we're

1545
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,200
going to charge them for this

1546
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,188
year. And I want to know how

1547
01:09:44,188 --> 01:09:45,122
big these what we're spending

1548
01:09:45,122 --> 01:09:46,857
actually spending on our

1549
01:09:46,857 --> 01:09:48,692
department. So that was the

1550
01:09:48,692 --> 01:09:50,827
basis of my email. I'm still

1551
01:09:50,827 --> 01:09:52,663
would like it and I would I'm

1552
01:09:52,663 --> 01:09:54,640
asking the board to please ask

1553
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,200
them to provide it to us,

1554
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:57,835
because I think you should have

1555
01:09:57,835 --> 01:10:00,570
these detailed list of numbers

1556
01:10:00,570 --> 01:10:02,500
that we're charging to the cost

1557
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:03,540
of our department to lower the

1558
01:10:03,540 --> 01:10:05,708
department costs. So that's

1559
01:10:05,708 --> 01:10:07,210
kind of where I am. I can't

1560
01:10:07,210 --> 01:10:08,712
make an accurate decision on I

1561
01:10:08,712 --> 01:10:09,790
don't know how big our

1562
01:10:09,790 --> 01:10:10,848
departments are.

1563
01:10:10,848 --> 01:10:12,490
>> I think it MAY be a fair

1564
01:10:12,490 --> 01:10:13,683
request and that's fine. I'm

1565
01:10:13,683 --> 01:10:15,840
sure we can get that

1566
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:16,787
information. What they should

1567
01:10:16,787 --> 01:10:18,522
be charging or not should be

1568
01:10:18,522 --> 01:10:20,691
charging is that's that's the

1569
01:10:20,691 --> 01:10:23,600
discussion we can have. Because

1570
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,600
clearly the penny doesn't it's

1571
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:28,298
not just capital, it's people's

1572
01:10:28,298 --> 01:10:30,467
correct people working to

1573
01:10:30,467 --> 01:10:31,902
implement capital. So that's

1574
01:10:31,902 --> 01:10:33,669
expenses. Some of those are

1575
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:35,105
contractor expenses and some of

1576
01:10:35,105 --> 01:10:36,974
those are our department

1577
01:10:36,974 --> 01:10:38,775
expenses. So to understand what

1578
01:10:38,775 --> 01:10:39,144
that amount is, is fair, I

1579
01:10:39,144 --> 01:10:41,144
think.

1580
01:10:41,379 --> 01:10:43,280
>> And the one of the reasons I

1581
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,282
was digging into it is I want

1582
01:10:45,282 --> 01:10:46,216
to make sure we're not not just

1583
01:10:46,216 --> 01:10:46,749
that we're overcharging, maybe

1584
01:10:46,749 --> 01:10:48,185
we're undercharging, maybe

1585
01:10:48,185 --> 01:10:49,353
we're not charging enough, but

1586
01:10:49,353 --> 01:10:50,988
I don't know because I have no

1587
01:10:50,988 --> 01:10:52,322
idea what we're charging.

1588
01:10:52,322 --> 01:10:53,857
>> Well, to the same extent

1589
01:10:53,857 --> 01:10:55,691
that they have administrative

1590
01:10:55,691 --> 01:10:58,128
costs passed on to each

1591
01:10:58,128 --> 01:10:59,263
department, I'm sure there are

1592
01:10:59,263 --> 01:11:00,731
some of those administrative

1593
01:11:00,731 --> 01:11:02,733
costs on the projects that are

1594
01:11:02,733 --> 01:11:03,801
being charged to the projects.

1595
01:11:03,801 --> 01:11:05,200
>> Right. But you don't see

1596
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:05,803
them in the budget.

1597
01:11:05,803 --> 01:11:07,504
>> Understand?

1598
01:11:07,504 --> 01:11:08,571
>> It's not all in one spot,

1599
01:11:08,571 --> 01:11:09,772
and that's what makes it

1600
01:11:09,772 --> 01:11:11,842
difficult. So so our staff has

1601
01:11:11,842 --> 01:11:14,440
met with Commissioner several

1602
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:15,212
times. All right. And and so

1603
01:11:15,212 --> 01:11:16,312
it's not as easy to produce

1604
01:11:16,312 --> 01:11:17,981
that report because first of

1605
01:11:17,981 --> 01:11:19,450
all the maintenance stuff is

1606
01:11:19,450 --> 01:11:21,218
not a capital project. So we

1607
01:11:21,218 --> 01:11:22,418
have a lot that's going on that

1608
01:11:22,418 --> 01:11:24,121
is in public works. That's not

1609
01:11:24,121 --> 01:11:25,321
going to be charged back to a

1610
01:11:25,321 --> 01:11:27,240
capital project. We also have

1611
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:27,591
an indirect cost plan. It's

1612
01:11:27,591 --> 01:11:29,159
federally certified indirect

1613
01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:30,461
cost plan. That's how we get

1614
01:11:30,461 --> 01:11:32,620
all of our administrative back

1615
01:11:32,620 --> 01:11:33,597
charges. It's two years in the

1616
01:11:33,597 --> 01:11:35,298
rear, and we use that because

1617
01:11:35,298 --> 01:11:37,301
that's how that we have to use

1618
01:11:37,301 --> 01:11:38,335
that for all of our all of our

1619
01:11:38,335 --> 01:11:40,170
federal grants. Anything that

1620
01:11:40,170 --> 01:11:41,438
comes through has to be under a

1621
01:11:41,438 --> 01:11:42,506
certified federal indirect cost

1622
01:11:42,506 --> 01:11:43,507
plan. So that's how you get

1623
01:11:43,507 --> 01:11:45,507
your administrative charge

1624
01:11:46,442 --> 01:11:48,780
backs. And, and you like you're

1625
01:11:48,780 --> 01:11:49,947
asking questions. And when we

1626
01:11:49,947 --> 01:11:51,548
started this, I'm like, I was,

1627
01:11:51,548 --> 01:11:52,783
I'm and that's why I said in my

1628
01:11:52,783 --> 01:11:54,450
email, I'm absolutely on board.

1629
01:11:54,450 --> 01:11:55,586
If there's ways, if there's

1630
01:11:55,586 --> 01:11:56,854
costs that we're not charging

1631
01:11:56,854 --> 01:11:58,422
back to the projects, let's do

1632
01:11:58,422 --> 01:11:59,823
that because then that would

1633
01:11:59,823 --> 01:12:01,524
lower our, our general fund

1634
01:12:01,524 --> 01:12:02,660
costs.

1635
01:12:02,660 --> 01:12:03,694
>> Chris has already developed

1636
01:12:03,694 --> 01:12:05,597
these budgets, right?

1637
01:12:05,597 --> 01:12:06,930
>> The the departments have

1638
01:12:06,930 --> 01:12:09,320
already been budgeted. We have

1639
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,467
the budget, and Chris has

1640
01:12:11,467 --> 01:12:13,804
developed contra numbers to get

1641
01:12:13,804 --> 01:12:15,572
to those budgets. And so he has

1642
01:12:15,572 --> 01:12:16,973
the contra. I just want the

1643
01:12:16,973 --> 01:12:18,175
contra numbers so I can add

1644
01:12:18,175 --> 01:12:19,243
them back, you know, and find

1645
01:12:19,243 --> 01:12:21,412
out what the Department.

1646
01:12:21,412 --> 01:12:22,945
>> Is working on it that the

1647
01:12:22,945 --> 01:12:23,847
last one we thought we had

1648
01:12:23,847 --> 01:12:24,248
answered previous questions

1649
01:12:24,248 --> 01:12:26,183
when.

1650
01:12:26,183 --> 01:12:27,451
>> If he has a budget for the

1651
01:12:27,451 --> 01:12:28,451
department and it includes

1652
01:12:28,451 --> 01:12:29,620
contra numbers, he's already

1653
01:12:29,620 --> 01:12:30,687
got the information. He doesn't

1654
01:12:30,687 --> 01:12:33,157
have to develop it. It's

1655
01:12:33,157 --> 01:12:34,424
already been done.

1656
01:12:34,424 --> 01:12:37,424
>> Where are you at, Chris?

1657
01:12:42,166 --> 01:12:43,267
Come on up.

1658
01:12:43,267 --> 01:12:43,967
>> Good afternoon,

1659
01:12:43,967 --> 01:12:45,502
commissioners Chris Rose,

1660
01:12:45,502 --> 01:12:46,537
Office of Management and Budget.

1661
01:12:46,537 --> 01:12:48,672
Just as the county

1662
01:12:48,672 --> 01:12:50,340
administrator said, we have

1663
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:51,474
these in the budget. You are

1664
01:12:51,474 --> 01:12:54,770
correct. Both the current year

1665
01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:55,578
and next year. It is harder to

1666
01:12:55,578 --> 01:12:57,748
pull out than you think it is.

1667
01:12:57,748 --> 01:12:59,183
So we are doing that right now.

1668
01:12:59,183 --> 01:13:00,551
>> And what's the total amount

1669
01:13:00,551 --> 01:13:01,685
of contra charges for the

1670
01:13:01,685 --> 01:13:03,287
public Works department?

1671
01:13:03,287 --> 01:13:04,922
>> I don't know off the top of

1672
01:13:04,922 --> 01:13:05,988
my head, sir.

1673
01:13:05,988 --> 01:13:08,388
>> But you've subtracted it

1674
01:13:09,226 --> 01:13:10,294
from something to come down to

1675
01:13:10,294 --> 01:13:12,694
173 million, right? Yes, sir.

1676
01:13:12,830 --> 01:13:14,310
You started at a number. Was it

1677
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:16,400
26 million? Was it 5 million?

1678
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,969
Was it 57 million? I don't know.

1679
01:13:18,969 --> 01:13:20,370
>> But if it's accurate, it's

1680
01:13:20,370 --> 01:13:21,171
immaterial because that's a

1681
01:13:21,171 --> 01:13:21,437
charge back to the capital

1682
01:13:21,437 --> 01:13:22,773
projects.

1683
01:13:22,773 --> 01:13:23,974
>> And that's fine. I'm just

1684
01:13:23,974 --> 01:13:25,750
saying what's the top number?

1685
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:27,900
>> Okay.

1686
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:28,112
>> I need a top number for each

1687
01:13:28,112 --> 01:13:29,213
department. And then you can

1688
01:13:29,213 --> 01:13:30,814
subtract your contra numbers.

1689
01:13:30,814 --> 01:13:32,490
>> And then we'll get the

1690
01:13:32,490 --> 01:13:34,418
contrast. Then you can add

1691
01:13:34,418 --> 01:13:35,918
those to the project to the the

1692
01:13:35,918 --> 01:13:37,354
budget. So this is overall what

1693
01:13:37,354 --> 01:13:39,560
the department's spending. But

1694
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,358
but also remember public works

1695
01:13:41,358 --> 01:13:43,460
does capital projects not just

1696
01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:44,495
for public works. And so

1697
01:13:44,495 --> 01:13:45,629
they're managing several

1698
01:13:45,629 --> 01:13:47,629
different funds. They're

1699
01:13:47,698 --> 01:13:49,299
managing grants. They bring in

1700
01:13:49,299 --> 01:13:50,667
a lot of grants. And so they're

1701
01:13:50,667 --> 01:13:52,469
>> Each. Each project is

1702
01:13:52,469 --> 01:13:54,271
handled usually through

1703
01:13:54,271 --> 01:13:56,439
multiple funding sources. And

1704
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:57,841
so it's got to be different for

1705
01:13:57,841 --> 01:13:59,675
each each different area. Just

1706
01:13:59,675 --> 01:14:01,440
like I was saying on the

1707
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:02,179
federal grants, that's a

1708
01:14:02,179 --> 01:14:04,347
different than just charging

1709
01:14:04,347 --> 01:14:05,449
back your administrative costs

1710
01:14:05,449 --> 01:14:06,884
to your.

1711
01:14:06,884 --> 01:14:07,917
>> And that's another problem.

1712
01:14:07,917 --> 01:14:09,453
>> And that's a, that's another

1713
01:14:09,453 --> 01:14:10,419
problem I have with this

1714
01:14:10,419 --> 01:14:11,588
because we're budgeting what

1715
01:14:11,588 --> 01:14:12,990
we're going to be charging

1716
01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:14,724
funds in the future, but we're

1717
01:14:14,724 --> 01:14:15,658
not. And we're voting on what

1718
01:14:15,658 --> 01:14:17,426
we're going to charge these

1719
01:14:17,426 --> 01:14:18,628
funds in the future, but we

1720
01:14:18,628 --> 01:14:20,431
don't see a list of what we're

1721
01:14:20,431 --> 01:14:21,532
charging these funds in the

1722
01:14:21,532 --> 01:14:22,699
future. And we're voting to

1723
01:14:22,699 --> 01:14:24,568
approve a budget based on that.

1724
01:14:24,568 --> 01:14:25,668
>> But they are because they're

1725
01:14:25,668 --> 01:14:26,603
all in the capital budget.

1726
01:14:26,603 --> 01:14:28,472
Every single project.

1727
01:14:28,472 --> 01:14:29,640
>> The charges are not. I don't

1728
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:30,674
see those. I don't know what

1729
01:14:30,674 --> 01:14:32,442
we're charging these funds.

1730
01:14:32,442 --> 01:14:33,577
>> So it's on both sides.

1731
01:14:33,577 --> 01:14:36,460
You'll see both the positive

1732
01:14:36,460 --> 01:14:37,413
and the negative. So it is

1733
01:14:37,413 --> 01:14:39,950
charging from one fund to the

1734
01:14:39,950 --> 01:14:42,840
other. So it is it is budgeted.

1735
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,221
It's in the overall budget sir.

1736
01:14:44,221 --> 01:14:45,422
>> Not in this book.

1737
01:14:45,422 --> 01:14:46,389
>> It's not laid out the way

1738
01:14:46,389 --> 01:14:48,389
you're asking.

1739
01:14:49,693 --> 01:14:51,494
>> No. He he'll complete that

1740
01:14:51,494 --> 01:14:52,463
report and we'll get that to

1741
01:14:52,463 --> 01:14:54,397
you as soon as.

1742
01:14:54,397 --> 01:14:55,665
>> It's hard for me to approve

1743
01:14:55,665 --> 01:14:56,566
a budget when I don't know what

1744
01:14:56,566 --> 01:14:57,634
I'm approving.

1745
01:14:57,634 --> 01:14:59,536
>> I understand we thought we

1746
01:14:59,536 --> 01:15:00,737
had a when when staff met with

1747
01:15:00,737 --> 01:15:01,371
you, they thought that they

1748
01:15:01,371 --> 01:15:02,539
explained.

1749
01:15:02,539 --> 01:15:04,408
>> The process to me, but I

1750
01:15:04,408 --> 01:15:05,442
have never been given again.

1751
01:15:05,442 --> 01:15:06,510
>> Let's remember that the

1752
01:15:06,510 --> 01:15:07,844
budget that we're approving

1753
01:15:07,844 --> 01:15:09,779
includes capital and operating.

1754
01:15:09,779 --> 01:15:10,948
What you're trying to do is

1755
01:15:10,948 --> 01:15:13,150
distinguish the two so that we

1756
01:15:13,150 --> 01:15:15,586
fully understand what is being

1757
01:15:15,586 --> 01:15:17,870
charged to those accounts away

1758
01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:19,590
from the the main account, but

1759
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:20,891
it's no more or less in total.

1760
01:15:20,891 --> 01:15:22,240
It's just a matter of trying.

1761
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:23,594
>> To see we're missing

1762
01:15:23,594 --> 01:15:26,430
anything or anything. I just I

1763
01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:27,597
don't know what who decided

1764
01:15:27,597 --> 01:15:29,633
what we are allowed to charge

1765
01:15:29,633 --> 01:15:31,835
to these different funds. Is it

1766
01:15:31,835 --> 01:15:33,569
us staff? Is it state statute.

1767
01:15:33,569 --> 01:15:34,638
>> It depends on the fund.

1768
01:15:34,638 --> 01:15:36,173
>> Yeah, yeah. I mean.

1769
01:15:36,173 --> 01:15:37,107
>> It's a grant from the state.

1770
01:15:37,107 --> 01:15:39,800
They tell you how.

1771
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,178
>> Much the the projects. I

1772
01:15:41,178 --> 01:15:43,313
mean, if it's if we're if we're

1773
01:15:43,313 --> 01:15:45,181
talking about a, you know, a, a

1774
01:15:45,181 --> 01:15:47,985
small capital project that just,

1775
01:15:47,985 --> 01:15:49,887
just penny funds, that's a lot

1776
01:15:49,887 --> 01:15:51,288
simpler than Joe's Creek or,

1777
01:15:51,288 --> 01:15:52,656
you know, something that

1778
01:15:52,656 --> 01:15:55,560
involves multiple sources over

1779
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:56,993
multiple budget years, grant

1780
01:15:56,993 --> 01:15:59,163
funds, state funds, federal

1781
01:15:59,163 --> 01:16:00,931
funds and penny funds as

1782
01:16:00,931 --> 01:16:02,332
matching dollars. And, and they

1783
01:16:02,332 --> 01:16:03,434
have to be I mean, there's

1784
01:16:03,434 --> 01:16:05,834
requirements that they be

1785
01:16:06,103 --> 01:16:07,771
treated appropriately. So it's

1786
01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:09,206
a fair question. We haven't

1787
01:16:09,206 --> 01:16:11,800
been able to put it in the

1788
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,509
format that you're looking for.

1789
01:16:13,509 --> 01:16:15,345
But but it's all there. I mean,

1790
01:16:15,345 --> 01:16:16,713
it.

1791
01:16:16,713 --> 01:16:18,716
>> I would just be happy with

1792
01:16:18,716 --> 01:16:21,840
the close to total number. And

1793
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:22,486
this is what this department

1794
01:16:22,486 --> 01:16:25,122
was. And when you count back

1795
01:16:25,122 --> 01:16:25,422
these numbers out and get a

1796
01:16:25,422 --> 01:16:27,191
total.

1797
01:16:27,191 --> 01:16:28,258
>> And we got we. And that's

1798
01:16:28,258 --> 01:16:30,194
why I respond to you this

1799
01:16:30,194 --> 01:16:32,428
morning. We they're working on

1800
01:16:32,428 --> 01:16:33,729
your APRIL or AUGUST 20th memo,

1801
01:16:33,729 --> 01:16:35,199
and they'll get that to you as

1802
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:36,800
soon as they can. Okay.

1803
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,136
>> Thank you. I, you know, I'm

1804
01:16:39,136 --> 01:16:40,671
not trying to I just got a big

1805
01:16:40,671 --> 01:16:42,673
vote coming up and I want to

1806
01:16:42,673 --> 01:16:45,673
understand what I'm voting on.

1807
01:16:45,944 --> 01:16:47,445
>> Yeah. And again, we know

1808
01:16:47,445 --> 01:16:50,280
that staff is pretty taxed

1809
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:51,748
right now and no pun intended.

1810
01:16:51,748 --> 01:16:53,917
But we're going to we're going

1811
01:16:53,917 --> 01:16:55,252
to do our best to deliver what

1812
01:16:55,252 --> 01:16:57,652
the commissioners are asking

1813
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:00,756
for. And so, you know, and next

1814
01:17:00,756 --> 01:17:02,592
year, that list will probably

1815
01:17:02,592 --> 01:17:05,763
grow on what we don't think of

1816
01:17:05,763 --> 01:17:07,231
this year. So get ready. You

1817
01:17:07,231 --> 01:17:08,664
know, we're all doing our best

1818
01:17:08,664 --> 01:17:11,201
to try to scrutinize the budget

1819
01:17:11,201 --> 01:17:14,772
right now for, for either, as

1820
01:17:14,772 --> 01:17:17,608
you said, under charging from

1821
01:17:17,608 --> 01:17:20,608
capital or overcharging. So we

1822
01:17:20,844 --> 01:17:21,945
just get a more realistic

1823
01:17:21,945 --> 01:17:23,981
number for what's actually

1824
01:17:23,981 --> 01:17:24,448
being spent by the department,

1825
01:17:24,448 --> 01:17:25,482
regardless.

1826
01:17:25,482 --> 01:17:27,317
>> Of if.

1827
01:17:27,317 --> 01:17:29,454
>> It's categorized at the end,

1828
01:17:29,454 --> 01:17:31,621
we at least get a feeling for

1829
01:17:31,621 --> 01:17:34,458
what's in there. And it doesn't

1830
01:17:34,458 --> 01:17:36,693
mean that what's been done

1831
01:17:36,693 --> 01:17:38,928
allocating out to capital isn't

1832
01:17:38,928 --> 01:17:40,397
the right thing to do. So we

1833
01:17:40,397 --> 01:17:41,432
just want to make sure you

1834
01:17:41,432 --> 01:17:43,832
understand that. We all

1835
01:17:46,300 --> 01:17:48,403
understand that. Okay, marching

1836
01:17:51,410 --> 01:17:52,409
orders. You got it. Okay. You

1837
01:17:52,409 --> 01:17:53,911
finished, Commissioner shear.

1838
01:17:53,911 --> 01:17:55,911
>> Yes, Commissioner.

1839
01:17:57,113 --> 01:17:59,113
>> Flowers.

1840
01:18:02,586 --> 01:18:04,188
>> Thank you, MR. Chair. So I'm

1841
01:18:04,188 --> 01:18:05,856
going to start out by just

1842
01:18:05,856 --> 01:18:08,325
making a comment. I hope no one

1843
01:18:08,325 --> 01:18:10,126
gets offended by this, but

1844
01:18:10,126 --> 01:18:11,562
we've had several meetings

1845
01:18:11,562 --> 01:18:14,832
where a person from the public

1846
01:18:14,832 --> 01:18:16,900
has come up and made some very

1847
01:18:16,900 --> 01:18:18,680
strong allegations against the

1848
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,237
sheriff and against other

1849
01:18:20,237 --> 01:18:22,306
persons that work in county

1850
01:18:22,306 --> 01:18:23,440
government. They have an

1851
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:26,709
opportunity and a right to say

1852
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:28,511
whatever it is that they desire.

1853
01:18:28,511 --> 01:18:32,711
But I also just want to say

1854
01:18:34,218 --> 01:18:35,986
publicly that. Oh, I'm sorry,

1855
01:18:35,986 --> 01:18:40,186
but I also just want to say

1856
01:18:40,723 --> 01:18:42,926
publicly that. We are not the

1857
01:18:42,926 --> 01:18:44,128
court system here. So whatever

1858
01:18:44,128 --> 01:18:46,129
has been adjudicated through

1859
01:18:46,129 --> 01:18:47,497
the courts and whatever

1860
01:18:47,497 --> 01:18:49,660
decision the judge has come up

1861
01:18:49,660 --> 01:18:50,467
with, that is the judge's

1862
01:18:50,467 --> 01:18:52,302
decision. And this is not a

1863
01:18:52,302 --> 01:18:55,500
place, nor do we have the

1864
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:57,307
ability to override, overturn

1865
01:18:57,307 --> 01:18:59,420
or to change those decisions.

1866
01:18:59,420 --> 01:19:01,211
And I think when some people

1867
01:19:01,211 --> 01:19:02,713
hear the comments here, they

1868
01:19:02,713 --> 01:19:04,810
are receiving the impression

1869
01:19:04,810 --> 01:19:05,515
that we are not acting, we

1870
01:19:05,515 --> 01:19:07,718
don't have the ability nor the

1871
01:19:07,718 --> 01:19:09,520
authority to act. That's number

1872
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:10,921
one. Number two, the

1873
01:19:10,921 --> 01:19:13,791
allegations that have been made

1874
01:19:13,791 --> 01:19:15,580
against some of the officers as

1875
01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:17,361
molesting children and things

1876
01:19:17,361 --> 01:19:19,630
of that nature while we sit and

1877
01:19:19,630 --> 01:19:21,300
we listen, those are still very

1878
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:22,499
serious words to say about

1879
01:19:22,499 --> 01:19:24,601
someone in the profession that

1880
01:19:24,601 --> 01:19:25,803
those persons are, and we never

1881
01:19:25,803 --> 01:19:27,337
address it, because I know we

1882
01:19:27,337 --> 01:19:29,600
have our unwritten policy that

1883
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:30,740
we don't, you know, go back and

1884
01:19:30,740 --> 01:19:32,875
forth with persons when they're

1885
01:19:32,875 --> 01:19:35,780
speaking, but just for the

1886
01:19:35,780 --> 01:19:37,181
general public to understand

1887
01:19:37,181 --> 01:19:39,581
when allegations are made,

1888
01:19:41,885 --> 01:19:44,540
there are avenues by which to.

1889
01:19:44,540 --> 01:19:45,823
Have that information

1890
01:19:45,823 --> 01:19:48,125
researched or have that person

1891
01:19:48,125 --> 01:19:50,561
charged. If that is correct

1892
01:19:50,561 --> 01:19:54,131
information, and if it is not

1893
01:19:54,131 --> 01:19:56,300
correct information. Then it

1894
01:19:56,300 --> 01:19:58,502
shouldn't be a continual

1895
01:19:58,502 --> 01:19:59,536
talking point. And in the

1896
01:19:59,536 --> 01:20:01,706
instances that have been

1897
01:20:01,706 --> 01:20:03,239
provided consistently here,

1898
01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:06,760
none of those allegations have

1899
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:07,543
been proven to be true. So I

1900
01:20:07,543 --> 01:20:09,646
just wanted to say that because

1901
01:20:09,646 --> 01:20:10,747
i've gotten a couple of

1902
01:20:10,747 --> 01:20:12,916
requests, you know, is what

1903
01:20:12,916 --> 01:20:14,184
that person saying accurate?

1904
01:20:14,184 --> 01:20:16,119
And so I'm sure they weren't

1905
01:20:16,119 --> 01:20:18,322
the only ones to ask that

1906
01:20:18,322 --> 01:20:19,323
question.

1907
01:20:19,323 --> 01:20:21,257
>> Commissioner, I appreciate

1908
01:20:21,257 --> 01:20:21,892
your saying that. And now and

1909
01:20:21,892 --> 01:20:23,260
not then.

1910
01:20:23,260 --> 01:20:24,628
>> Oh, yeah. No, I wouldn't.

1911
01:20:24,628 --> 01:20:25,763
>> Have time like you said.

1912
01:20:25,763 --> 01:20:26,530
>> Yeah I wouldn't.

1913
01:20:26,530 --> 01:20:27,663
>> That's perfect.

1914
01:20:27,663 --> 01:20:29,566
>> Because that's our that's

1915
01:20:29,566 --> 01:20:30,968
the rule. So I just wanted to

1916
01:20:30,968 --> 01:20:35,168
say that. So moving on to the

1917
01:20:36,573 --> 01:20:39,209
things that I have done. The

1918
01:20:39,209 --> 01:20:40,477
policy committees for the

1919
01:20:40,477 --> 01:20:42,877
Florida Association of Counties

1920
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,582
are beginning to meet. I after

1921
01:20:45,582 --> 01:20:47,785
we had our workshop about

1922
01:20:47,785 --> 01:20:49,787
e-bikes, I did some research as

1923
01:20:49,787 --> 01:20:52,422
well. And I know that that is a

1924
01:20:52,422 --> 01:20:54,992
big issue. As I shared with our

1925
01:20:54,992 --> 01:20:57,928
school safety committee. So I

1926
01:20:57,928 --> 01:20:59,395
drafted a policy proposal for

1927
01:20:59,395 --> 01:21:01,980
the Florida Association of

1928
01:21:01,980 --> 01:21:02,298
Counties to take up at their.

1929
01:21:02,298 --> 01:21:03,599
At the next meeting, we're

1930
01:21:03,599 --> 01:21:05,680
going to be having in

1931
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:06,470
Jacksonville, and I submitted

1932
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:07,538
it through the application

1933
01:21:07,538 --> 01:21:09,472
process and whatnot, and I

1934
01:21:09,472 --> 01:21:11,507
believe I copied you guys on it

1935
01:21:11,507 --> 01:21:12,676
just so you can see. So I will

1936
01:21:12,676 --> 01:21:14,645
be asking that that be taken up

1937
01:21:14,645 --> 01:21:16,513
as a policy to move forward.

1938
01:21:16,513 --> 01:21:17,713
And I'm sure we're not the only

1939
01:21:17,713 --> 01:21:19,683
ones that are having that issue.

1940
01:21:19,683 --> 01:21:20,751
But since I know some of us are

1941
01:21:20,751 --> 01:21:22,653
very concerned about it and

1942
01:21:22,653 --> 01:21:23,787
it's a concern, I think it will

1943
01:21:23,787 --> 01:21:25,522
be a concern in other

1944
01:21:25,522 --> 01:21:27,570
communities as well. So I did

1945
01:21:27,570 --> 01:21:30,657
do that. And if you have

1946
01:21:31,361 --> 01:21:32,463
anything, I know that sometimes.

1947
01:21:32,463 --> 01:21:33,529
Commissioner Peters has

1948
01:21:33,529 --> 01:21:34,398
submitted stuff, and I think

1949
01:21:34,398 --> 01:21:35,632
Commissioner Scott has

1950
01:21:35,632 --> 01:21:36,800
submitted things. If it's

1951
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,902
something going on that you

1952
01:21:38,902 --> 01:21:40,737
think, you know, it involves

1953
01:21:40,737 --> 01:21:43,137
all 67 counties, please go

1954
01:21:43,974 --> 01:21:45,374
ahead and get that in so we can

1955
01:21:45,374 --> 01:21:47,243
take care of it, because we're

1956
01:21:47,243 --> 01:21:48,611
usually pretty successful in

1957
01:21:48,611 --> 01:21:51,181
getting that as a part of our

1958
01:21:51,181 --> 01:21:52,983
policy committee. I was really

1959
01:21:52,983 --> 01:21:54,383
trying to see if the the next

1960
01:21:54,383 --> 01:21:55,853
innovation conference could be

1961
01:21:55,853 --> 01:21:57,421
here, because we have some

1962
01:21:57,421 --> 01:21:58,554
wonderful things going on with

1963
01:21:58,554 --> 01:22:00,224
some of the corporations that

1964
01:22:00,224 --> 01:22:01,491
have moved here that are doing

1965
01:22:01,491 --> 01:22:02,993
things with drones, that are

1966
01:22:02,993 --> 01:22:04,495
doing things with technology.

1967
01:22:04,495 --> 01:22:05,262
So I thought it would be

1968
01:22:05,262 --> 01:22:07,662
wonderful. Went through the

1969
01:22:07,663 --> 01:22:09,866
whole process. Brian. He's left.

1970
01:22:09,866 --> 01:22:12,866
Brian had already reached out

1971
01:22:13,137 --> 01:22:14,238
to a couple of hotels. We had

1972
01:22:14,238 --> 01:22:16,238
proposals, some middles,

1973
01:22:17,740 --> 01:22:18,174
quickly bury myself, Brian and

1974
01:22:18,174 --> 01:22:19,776
Doctor Cynthia Johnson were

1975
01:22:19,776 --> 01:22:21,411
going to have a meeting the

1976
01:22:21,411 --> 01:22:23,513
other day, and then I was

1977
01:22:23,513 --> 01:22:25,549
informed that the legislative

1978
01:22:25,549 --> 01:22:28,951
conference is going to be here

1979
01:22:28,951 --> 01:22:31,822
in 2027. And so it was kind of

1980
01:22:31,822 --> 01:22:34,423
like and you're also asking for

1981
01:22:34,423 --> 01:22:36,492
the innovation conference. So

1982
01:22:36,492 --> 01:22:37,928
I've acquiesced. So we will

1983
01:22:37,928 --> 01:22:40,328
have the legislative conference

1984
01:22:41,365 --> 01:22:42,666
here in 2027. It will be at the

1985
01:22:42,666 --> 01:22:44,101
Hilton in Saint Pete.

1986
01:22:44,101 --> 01:22:45,235
>> There's always 2028.

1987
01:22:45,235 --> 01:22:46,603
>> Yeah. It will be at the

1988
01:22:46,603 --> 01:22:48,738
Hilton in Saint Pete.

1989
01:22:48,738 --> 01:22:51,700
Commissioner Scott came for the

1990
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:53,143
last one that was here where it

1991
01:22:53,143 --> 01:22:54,244
was really nice. And we had the

1992
01:22:54,244 --> 01:22:56,450
after reception in the gardens

1993
01:22:56,450 --> 01:22:57,414
at the Woodson Museum and all

1994
01:22:57,414 --> 01:22:58,916
of that. So please know that

1995
01:22:58,916 --> 01:23:00,317
I'm trying to put together

1996
01:23:00,317 --> 01:23:01,852
something really nice to show

1997
01:23:01,852 --> 01:23:03,520
off all of the wonderful things

1998
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:04,922
that we have been doing here in

1999
01:23:04,922 --> 01:23:06,657
Pinellas County so that our

2000
01:23:06,657 --> 01:23:07,824
colleagues can see it. But i

2001
01:23:07,824 --> 01:23:08,926
was trying to put something

2002
01:23:08,926 --> 01:23:11,428
together because I did have a

2003
01:23:11,428 --> 01:23:13,828
special request from our

2004
01:23:14,298 --> 01:23:15,799
Commissioner Latvala, and it

2005
01:23:15,799 --> 01:23:18,680
didn't work out, but parts of

2006
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,268
it will work out. So bear with

2007
01:23:23,730 --> 01:23:23,606
me, young man. We yeah, he's

2008
01:23:23,606 --> 01:23:24,407
he's not.

2009
01:23:24,407 --> 01:23:26,407
>> He's not.

2010
01:23:26,909 --> 01:23:28,745
>> Young, much younger.

2011
01:23:28,745 --> 01:23:30,848
>> We had a very successful

2012
01:23:30,848 --> 01:23:33,848
area agency on Aging Pinellas

2013
01:23:37,353 --> 01:23:40,353
and Pasco fundraiser at. In

2014
01:23:41,691 --> 01:23:44,161
Tampa at the Pelican. Yeah.

2015
01:23:44,161 --> 01:23:46,363
Pelican restaurant off of

2016
01:23:46,363 --> 01:23:48,166
Courtney Campbell Causeway.

2017
01:23:48,166 --> 01:23:50,266
Very successful in that. And so

2018
01:23:50,266 --> 01:23:52,803
I want to thank all of the

2019
01:23:52,803 --> 01:23:54,638
corporations that sponsored or

2020
01:23:54,638 --> 01:23:56,730
helped to co-sponsor and

2021
01:23:56,730 --> 01:23:57,507
everyone who participated,

2022
01:23:57,507 --> 01:23:59,309
because we put those funds back

2023
01:23:59,309 --> 01:24:01,578
into the pot and use those to

2024
01:24:01,578 --> 01:24:04,313
help our seniors. We are well

2025
01:24:04,313 --> 01:24:05,449
on our way to the senior living

2026
01:24:05,449 --> 01:24:07,985
facility that we will be

2027
01:24:07,985 --> 01:24:09,510
building in Pasco County. Of

2028
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:11,956
course, the land has already

2029
01:24:11,956 --> 01:24:13,356
been identified. Congressman

2030
01:24:13,356 --> 01:24:14,191
Bilirakis has been absolutely

2031
01:24:14,191 --> 01:24:15,858
wonderful in getting us money

2032
01:24:15,858 --> 01:24:17,662
from the federal government for

2033
01:24:17,662 --> 01:24:18,828
the construction. The Pasco

2034
01:24:18,828 --> 01:24:19,863
County Commission has been

2035
01:24:19,863 --> 01:24:21,298
really wonderful. They're

2036
01:24:21,298 --> 01:24:22,700
building department has been

2037
01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:24,201
great. So we are moving right

2038
01:24:24,201 --> 01:24:26,335
along, and we sincerely hope we

2039
01:24:26,335 --> 01:24:27,471
will be shoveling dirt very

2040
01:24:27,471 --> 01:24:29,306
soon. So that's going to be the

2041
01:24:29,306 --> 01:24:31,742
first project ever that Area

2042
01:24:31,742 --> 01:24:33,477
Agency on Aging has done, where

2043
01:24:33,477 --> 01:24:34,878
we are providing living

2044
01:24:34,878 --> 01:24:36,878
quarters, affordable living

2045
01:24:38,182 --> 01:24:39,917
quarters for seniors. I was the

2046
01:24:39,917 --> 01:24:41,118
speaker yesterday regarding

2047
01:24:41,118 --> 01:24:42,886
amendment three for the

2048
01:24:42,886 --> 01:24:45,286
Democratic Women's Club of

2049
01:24:46,156 --> 01:24:47,557
Upper Pinellas, and I also

2050
01:24:47,557 --> 01:24:49,359
presented the same thing at the

2051
01:24:49,359 --> 01:24:52,359
League of Women Voters last

2052
01:24:52,595 --> 01:24:54,699
week at Allendale Church. So

2053
01:24:54,699 --> 01:24:55,632
it's really nice to get the

2054
01:24:55,632 --> 01:24:57,267
questions that people are

2055
01:24:57,267 --> 01:24:59,200
asking and only providing

2056
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:00,304
educational information. And I

2057
01:25:00,304 --> 01:25:02,340
always give them links where

2058
01:25:02,340 --> 01:25:03,440
they can go research it for

2059
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:05,209
themselves and they'll know

2060
01:25:05,209 --> 01:25:06,577
they're there, not just the

2061
01:25:06,577 --> 01:25:09,577
recommendations from me as an

2062
01:25:10,213 --> 01:25:11,448
individual. I have a meeting

2063
01:25:11,448 --> 01:25:12,849
coming up with the PRESIDENT Of

2064
01:25:12,849 --> 01:25:14,885
the University of South Florida,

2065
01:25:14,885 --> 01:25:16,386
Saint Petersburg campus,

2066
01:25:16,386 --> 01:25:18,122
PRESIDENT Moise, I hope I'm

2067
01:25:18,122 --> 01:25:20,289
saying the right the name

2068
01:25:20,289 --> 01:25:22,590
correctly. I went over and

2069
01:25:22,590 --> 01:25:23,627
visited the facility the day

2070
01:25:23,627 --> 01:25:25,763
after the lightning struck and

2071
01:25:25,763 --> 01:25:26,630
burned the research facility.

2072
01:25:26,630 --> 01:25:28,232
Well, the lightning struck, it

2073
01:25:28,232 --> 01:25:30,670
caught on fire, and it burned

2074
01:25:30,670 --> 01:25:31,335
that facility. The professor,

2075
01:25:31,335 --> 01:25:32,970
some of them were able to

2076
01:25:32,970 --> 01:25:34,371
recoup a lot of the research

2077
01:25:34,371 --> 01:25:35,872
material, which we're really

2078
01:25:35,872 --> 01:25:37,390
excited about, because if not,

2079
01:25:37,390 --> 01:25:38,976
that was going to be years

2080
01:25:38,976 --> 01:25:41,245
worth of research. Absolutely

2081
01:25:41,245 --> 01:25:42,678
gone. I also want to say thank

2082
01:25:42,678 --> 01:25:45,678
you to Eckerd College publicly,

2083
01:25:45,883 --> 01:25:47,985
because Eckerd provided space

2084
01:25:47,985 --> 01:25:49,820
for the professors in those

2085
01:25:49,820 --> 01:25:52,220
researchers to go over there

2086
01:25:52,220 --> 01:25:54,224
and work until the facilities

2087
01:25:54,224 --> 01:25:56,660
are rebuilt on the usf Saint

2088
01:25:56,660 --> 01:25:59,128
Pete campus. So thank you and

2089
01:25:59,128 --> 01:26:00,697
shout out to both of them. And

2090
01:26:00,697 --> 01:26:02,990
as many have already said,

2091
01:26:02,990 --> 01:26:03,600
thank you so much. And shout

2092
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,301
out to the Supervisor of

2093
01:26:05,301 --> 01:26:07,700
Elections office throughout the

2094
01:26:07,700 --> 01:26:09,710
state, a lot of people look at

2095
01:26:09,710 --> 01:26:10,741
our soe for the way that we run

2096
01:26:10,741 --> 01:26:13,277
our elections, for how smooth

2097
01:26:13,277 --> 01:26:16,145
they run. Our results are in by

2098
01:26:16,145 --> 01:26:18,682
seven 2740 at the latest. We

2099
01:26:18,682 --> 01:26:20,451
did have a recount process, but

2100
01:26:20,451 --> 01:26:22,486
that shows that the system

2101
01:26:22,486 --> 01:26:23,754
works. And so thank you to

2102
01:26:23,754 --> 01:26:25,489
everybody who had to go through

2103
01:26:25,489 --> 01:26:27,291
that process. And I also want

2104
01:26:27,291 --> 01:26:28,659
to say thank you to the workers,

2105
01:26:28,659 --> 01:26:31,590
the volunteers, because that's

2106
01:26:31,995 --> 01:26:34,532
a whole day that they volunteer,

2107
01:26:34,532 --> 01:26:36,266
almost 16 hours that they

2108
01:26:36,266 --> 01:26:37,801
volunteer. I was over at Lake

2109
01:26:37,801 --> 01:26:40,300
Vista. There was an issue with

2110
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:42,439
the machine with no sooner than

2111
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:43,506
the person shared the concern.

2112
01:26:43,506 --> 01:26:45,342
There was somebody who had

2113
01:26:45,342 --> 01:26:46,609
already been called and was

2114
01:26:46,609 --> 01:26:48,445
walking up the sidewalk from

2115
01:26:48,445 --> 01:26:50,314
the office to take care of it.

2116
01:26:50,314 --> 01:26:52,516
So that's what I like. I just

2117
01:26:52,516 --> 01:26:54,170
love it. And I'm so glad and so

2118
01:26:54,170 --> 01:26:55,520
excited. And I want to thank

2119
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:56,120
everybody for their

2120
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,520
participation and support in

2121
01:26:59,356 --> 01:27:01,458
those areas. And the last thing

2122
01:27:01,458 --> 01:27:05,429
I'll have is there is going to

2123
01:27:05,429 --> 01:27:06,530
be a, a wellness day experience,

2124
01:27:06,530 --> 01:27:08,298
OCTOBER 10th. I'll just keep

2125
01:27:08,298 --> 01:27:11,898
doing a reminder. And it's for

2126
01:27:11,968 --> 01:27:14,470
men, the number of prostate

2127
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:16,272
cancer diagnoses is on the rise.

2128
01:27:16,272 --> 01:27:17,441
And so this organization is

2129
01:27:17,441 --> 01:27:20,244
just really trying to make sure

2130
01:27:20,244 --> 01:27:21,278
that men are taking their exams

2131
01:27:21,278 --> 01:27:23,446
seriously. I'm sure it's

2132
01:27:23,446 --> 01:27:25,948
probably not a comfortable exam,

2133
01:27:25,948 --> 01:27:28,251
but it certainly is one that

2134
01:27:28,251 --> 01:27:30,354
can detect early because I know

2135
01:27:30,354 --> 01:27:32,880
of several men to include one

2136
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,688
of my assistant pastors now in

2137
01:27:35,692 --> 01:27:36,727
my church who was diagnosed

2138
01:27:36,727 --> 01:27:37,995
recently, and it's because they

2139
01:27:37,995 --> 01:27:40,396
went to an event like this.

2140
01:27:40,396 --> 01:27:42,166
They got tested and it was

2141
01:27:42,166 --> 01:27:43,566
discovered. So men, take your

2142
01:27:43,566 --> 01:27:46,136
health seriously as well as

2143
01:27:46,136 --> 01:27:47,400
women. And that's all I have.

2144
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,400
>> Thank you, Commissioner

2145
01:27:49,372 --> 01:27:50,774
Flowers. Commissioner Latvala.

2146
01:27:50,774 --> 01:27:52,342
>> Thank you very much, MR.

2147
01:27:52,342 --> 01:27:53,377
CHAIRMAN. I wasn't going to say

2148
01:27:53,377 --> 01:27:55,777
anything, but since you

2149
01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:58,348
mentioned it, Commissioner, the

2150
01:27:58,348 --> 01:28:00,748
First Amendment does afford

2151
01:28:02,180 --> 01:28:04,555
people the opportunity to make

2152
01:28:04,555 --> 01:28:06,623
fools of themselves on occasion,

2153
01:28:06,623 --> 01:28:09,560
and I will always defend that.

2154
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,662
Right. One of the things that I

2155
01:28:11,662 --> 01:28:14,231
did not realize when I first

2156
01:28:14,231 --> 01:28:17,670
got elected to this commission

2157
01:28:17,670 --> 01:28:19,603
is that some of the folks that

2158
01:28:19,603 --> 01:28:22,206
would travel to Tallahassee to

2159
01:28:22,206 --> 01:28:24,606
speak before committees also

2160
01:28:25,709 --> 01:28:27,510
come here on occasion. So it's

2161
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:28,712
kind of nice to get the

2162
01:28:28,712 --> 01:28:30,712
Tallahassee perspective from

2163
01:28:31,810 --> 01:28:33,984
time to time, but I will always

2164
01:28:33,984 --> 01:28:36,384
support our residents and

2165
01:28:36,386 --> 01:28:38,786
nonresidents from wherever they

2166
01:28:38,989 --> 01:28:41,989
MAY be, from their opportunity

2167
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,600
to speak to their government

2168
01:28:49,867 --> 01:28:52,736
folks and, and, and give their

2169
01:28:52,736 --> 01:28:55,136
grievances to their government.

2170
01:28:55,206 --> 01:28:56,973
I have a couple since we've

2171
01:28:56,973 --> 01:28:59,877
talked a little bit about the

2172
01:28:59,877 --> 01:29:02,877
budget in previous years, I've

2173
01:29:03,180 --> 01:29:05,580
mentioned my thoughts on

2174
01:29:06,382 --> 01:29:08,782
cutting libraries, parks and

2175
01:29:09,253 --> 01:29:11,653
communications. At the time,

2176
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:15,890
that wasn't very popular. Our

2177
01:29:16,460 --> 01:29:18,860
administrator had a suggestion

2178
01:29:19,695 --> 01:29:23,295
on giving a couple parks back

2179
01:29:24,368 --> 01:29:26,537
to the state, which some

2180
01:29:26,537 --> 01:29:28,537
residents didn't necessarily

2181
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:31,241
like. I understand where he was

2182
01:29:31,241 --> 01:29:34,841
coming from because we talk a

2183
01:29:37,314 --> 01:29:40,314
lot about unfunded mandates and

2184
01:29:40,617 --> 01:29:42,753
and I might be in the minority

2185
01:29:42,753 --> 01:29:44,621
on this board, but I kind of

2186
01:29:44,621 --> 01:29:45,756
appreciate where our

2187
01:29:45,756 --> 01:29:48,156
administrator was coming from

2188
01:29:48,524 --> 01:29:50,924
in that suggestion and

2189
01:29:51,527 --> 01:29:53,527
recommendation. One thing,

2190
01:29:53,864 --> 01:29:56,233
though, that I am not in favor

2191
01:29:56,233 --> 01:29:59,833
of and probably will never be

2192
01:30:00,703 --> 01:30:03,640
in favor of, is cutting the

2193
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,800
sheriff's budget anymore, and

2194
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:07,408
especially closing down safe

2195
01:30:09,460 --> 01:30:12,460
harbor, because that will mean

2196
01:30:12,282 --> 01:30:14,818
putting a couple hundred people,

2197
01:30:14,818 --> 01:30:16,954
many of which with substance

2198
01:30:16,954 --> 01:30:19,954
abuse issues, onto the streets

2199
01:30:20,858 --> 01:30:23,459
of Largo and Clearwater, which,

2200
01:30:23,459 --> 01:30:24,862
you know, is in Pinellas County,

2201
01:30:24,862 --> 01:30:27,262
but more specifically in

2202
01:30:27,731 --> 01:30:31,331
district five. And I don't want

2203
01:30:31,335 --> 01:30:34,335
to burden my community with

2204
01:30:36,373 --> 01:30:40,377
that issue. And if we do shut

2205
01:30:40,377 --> 01:30:42,212
down Safe Harbor, I will want

2206
01:30:42,212 --> 01:30:43,547
to bust some of those people to

2207
01:30:43,547 --> 01:30:45,140
Tarpon Springs, the Tierra

2208
01:30:45,140 --> 01:30:47,918
Verde and the Saint Pete and

2209
01:30:47,918 --> 01:30:51,518
other parts of the county to

2210
01:30:51,889 --> 01:30:54,391
help spread that issue around.

2211
01:30:54,391 --> 01:30:58,591
So it's not just in Largo and

2212
01:30:59,763 --> 01:31:01,964
Clearwater. But hopefully we

2213
01:31:01,964 --> 01:31:04,868
don't have to close down safe

2214
01:31:04,868 --> 01:31:07,237
Harbor. As for what I've been

2215
01:31:07,237 --> 01:31:09,473
doing lately, on the first day

2216
01:31:09,473 --> 01:31:11,308
of school, I welcomed the

2217
01:31:11,308 --> 01:31:13,143
students and teachers back at

2218
01:31:13,143 --> 01:31:16,143
Largo Middle School with school

2219
01:31:16,352 --> 01:31:17,914
board member Katie Blacksburg,

2220
01:31:17,914 --> 01:31:21,514
and they have a new principal

2221
01:31:21,785 --> 01:31:25,322
at Largo Middle, who is one of

2222
01:31:25,322 --> 01:31:27,925
the up and coming principals in

2223
01:31:27,925 --> 01:31:30,925
Pinellas County. She was a

2224
01:31:31,728 --> 01:31:33,330
principal at a local elementary

2225
01:31:33,330 --> 01:31:36,930
school in Largo last year and

2226
01:31:37,601 --> 01:31:39,736
now is a is moving up to Largo

2227
01:31:39,736 --> 01:31:41,538
Middle. And one of the first

2228
01:31:41,538 --> 01:31:44,538
things that she did was

2229
01:31:44,641 --> 01:31:47,641
institute a uniform policy that

2230
01:31:47,644 --> 01:31:49,460
looked like the students were

2231
01:31:49,460 --> 01:31:51,348
adjusting well to on the first

2232
01:31:51,348 --> 01:31:54,184
day. And also another thing

2233
01:31:54,184 --> 01:31:56,286
that they started, which was

2234
01:31:56,286 --> 01:31:58,622
interesting, is usually middle

2235
01:31:58,622 --> 01:32:00,230
schools start at like 930 or

2236
01:32:00,230 --> 01:32:02,250
9:00, something like that. But

2237
01:32:02,250 --> 01:32:03,494
at Largo Middle and a couple

2238
01:32:03,494 --> 01:32:05,328
other middle schools in

2239
01:32:05,328 --> 01:32:06,496
Pinellas County, they have the

2240
01:32:06,496 --> 01:32:09,496
same schedule as high school.

2241
01:32:10,399 --> 01:32:12,869
So they start at like 730. And

2242
01:32:12,869 --> 01:32:13,537
so a lot of the teachers and

2243
01:32:13,537 --> 01:32:15,272
students look like they're

2244
01:32:15,272 --> 01:32:16,907
pretty tired on the first day

2245
01:32:16,907 --> 01:32:19,907
of school. So hopefully they

2246
01:32:20,443 --> 01:32:24,643
are adjusting now that we are a

2247
01:32:25,449 --> 01:32:26,949
week or two into to school. And

2248
01:32:26,949 --> 01:32:28,285
speaking of school,

2249
01:32:28,285 --> 01:32:31,256
applications for yac are open.

2250
01:32:31,256 --> 01:32:34,591
The deadline to apply is next

2251
01:32:34,591 --> 01:32:37,591
week, SEPTEMBER 1st. You can

2252
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,737
apply on pinellas.Gov/yac,

2253
01:32:46,737 --> 01:32:48,138
pinellas.Gov/yac. And then

2254
01:32:48,138 --> 01:32:50,400
tomorrow I will be presenting

2255
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,400
an overview of the county

2256
01:32:53,610 --> 01:32:56,814
budget at the big c meeting. So

2257
01:32:56,814 --> 01:32:59,683
I got I picked the lucky straw

2258
01:32:59,683 --> 01:33:01,819
to do that. And then Thursday I

2259
01:33:01,819 --> 01:33:03,954
will be joining the CHAIRMAN,

2260
01:33:03,954 --> 01:33:05,954
our distinguished CHAIRMAN,

2261
01:33:08,392 --> 01:33:11,992
who's turning 70 on JUNE 2nd at

2262
01:33:12,329 --> 01:33:14,729
the Besties Award presentation

2263
01:33:14,797 --> 01:33:16,660
in Saint Pete. So I MAY have to

2264
01:33:16,660 --> 01:33:18,368
mention to them about your

2265
01:33:18,368 --> 01:33:20,169
upcoming birthday next year.

2266
01:33:20,169 --> 01:33:20,637
I'm looking forward to that.

2267
01:33:20,637 --> 01:33:22,710
>> Yeah.

2268
01:33:22,710 --> 01:33:24,541
>> From your from your lips to

2269
01:33:24,541 --> 01:33:26,610
GOD's ears that I'm I'm, I turn

2270
01:33:26,610 --> 01:33:29,100
70 next year. Thank you

2271
01:33:30,246 --> 01:33:32,820
Commissioner. Appreciate it. So

2272
01:33:32,820 --> 01:33:33,817
again, just a few things here.

2273
01:33:33,817 --> 01:33:36,190
I mentioned the inspector

2274
01:33:36,190 --> 01:33:38,888
general audits. They look at

2275
01:33:38,888 --> 01:33:40,891
look at things going on. So for

2276
01:33:40,891 --> 01:33:42,192
our residents, just to you know,

2277
01:33:42,192 --> 01:33:43,659
I'd like to take the

2278
01:33:43,659 --> 01:33:46,590
opportunity to remind folks

2279
01:33:47,164 --> 01:33:48,599
that we had a dose report done

2280
01:33:48,599 --> 01:33:50,660
because they thought, you know,

2281
01:33:50,660 --> 01:33:52,568
the thought was that we were

2282
01:33:52,568 --> 01:33:54,370
wasting a lot of money. And the

2283
01:33:54,370 --> 01:33:55,439
report came down. It was pretty

2284
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,574
friendly to Pinellas County. It

2285
01:33:57,574 --> 01:33:59,409
certainly doesn't alleviate our

2286
01:33:59,409 --> 01:34:01,409
responsibilities to continue

2287
01:34:03,113 --> 01:34:06,250
doing more and more to make all

2288
01:34:06,250 --> 01:34:07,683
of us accountable. But in

2289
01:34:07,683 --> 01:34:08,952
perspective is what I'm trying

2290
01:34:08,952 --> 01:34:11,456
to get at. I don't think that

2291
01:34:11,456 --> 01:34:13,157
we are wasting taxpayer dollars.

2292
01:34:13,157 --> 01:34:14,992
I do want to take a look at

2293
01:34:14,992 --> 01:34:17,600
those dollars that we were just

2294
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,195
discussing, so that we have a

2295
01:34:19,195 --> 01:34:20,330
feeling of, of, of the amount

2296
01:34:20,330 --> 01:34:22,132
of dollars that we're being

2297
01:34:22,132 --> 01:34:24,167
charged by the grants that

2298
01:34:24,167 --> 01:34:26,136
we're getting. We don't go out

2299
01:34:26,136 --> 01:34:27,438
and get grants. It makes a big

2300
01:34:27,438 --> 01:34:28,639
difference. And so we're, we're

2301
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:30,373
trying to fund, we're trying to

2302
01:34:30,373 --> 01:34:31,476
take care of. We're trying to

2303
01:34:31,476 --> 01:34:32,876
expense. We're trying to make

2304
01:34:32,876 --> 01:34:35,612
sure that we implement those.

2305
01:34:35,612 --> 01:34:37,947
So it's a tricky thing. You

2306
01:34:37,947 --> 01:34:39,416
know, you mentioned we have the

2307
01:34:39,416 --> 01:34:40,650
sixth highest millage rate. I

2308
01:34:40,650 --> 01:34:42,386
don't know what millage rates

2309
01:34:42,386 --> 01:34:43,887
are included by everybody. And

2310
01:34:43,887 --> 01:34:46,323
I'm not going to be defensive

2311
01:34:46,323 --> 01:34:47,724
about them. As I've said, we

2312
01:34:47,724 --> 01:34:49,930
have lowered them each for the

2313
01:34:49,930 --> 01:34:50,594
last five years, and we'll

2314
01:34:50,594 --> 01:34:52,728
continue looking at those

2315
01:34:52,728 --> 01:34:53,996
opportunities. I also would

2316
01:34:53,996 --> 01:34:55,199
like to remind our residents

2317
01:34:55,199 --> 01:34:56,700
that there's a tax commission

2318
01:34:56,700 --> 01:34:59,702
that's that meets every I think

2319
01:34:59,702 --> 01:35:01,438
it's every ten years. Right.

2320
01:35:01,438 --> 01:35:03,874
And they're they're due to meet

2321
01:35:03,874 --> 01:35:04,941
next year to discuss the tax

2322
01:35:04,941 --> 01:35:06,760
system within the state of

2323
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,760
Florida and those that affect

2324
01:35:09,580 --> 01:35:11,810
the counties as well. Again,

2325
01:35:11,810 --> 01:35:12,516
they, you know, they usually,

2326
01:35:12,516 --> 01:35:14,985
you know, come out with

2327
01:35:14,985 --> 01:35:17,956
suggestions to make us all more

2328
01:35:17,956 --> 01:35:20,230
accountable. Again, the cart

2329
01:35:20,230 --> 01:35:23,623
before the horse as we discuss

2330
01:35:24,260 --> 01:35:25,596
the amendment three this year.

2331
01:35:25,596 --> 01:35:27,463
Some people have been critical

2332
01:35:27,463 --> 01:35:29,465
about how slow the exemptions

2333
01:35:29,465 --> 01:35:31,603
have been rolled out as they

2334
01:35:31,603 --> 01:35:34,805
have done, you know, and I

2335
01:35:34,805 --> 01:35:36,840
think that's a fair statement.

2336
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:38,808
So the way to to way to combat

2337
01:35:38,808 --> 01:35:40,811
that is to make is to rip the

2338
01:35:40,811 --> 01:35:43,800
band aid off and do it in one

2339
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,350
year. Neither is right in my

2340
01:35:46,350 --> 01:35:47,819
opinion. I think if you do a,

2341
01:35:47,819 --> 01:35:48,919
you know, these exemptions that

2342
01:35:48,919 --> 01:35:50,621
we're looking at and you do

2343
01:35:50,621 --> 01:35:53,210
them more incrementally, it

2344
01:35:55,250 --> 01:35:56,426
allows us to. Bring forward the

2345
01:35:56,426 --> 01:35:57,895
kind of government, the kind of

2346
01:35:57,895 --> 01:35:59,630
Pinellas County that we've been,

2347
01:35:59,630 --> 01:36:01,866
you know, presenting to our

2348
01:36:01,866 --> 01:36:03,200
residents over the decades.

2349
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:05,680
Some good, some not so good,

2350
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:07,104
maybe. But we continue to try

2351
01:36:07,104 --> 01:36:09,380
to do that job. So I just think

2352
01:36:09,380 --> 01:36:10,808
we just have to, you know,

2353
01:36:10,808 --> 01:36:11,942
think through all of us to

2354
01:36:11,942 --> 01:36:13,777
think through what it means.

2355
01:36:13,777 --> 01:36:14,877
And as I've told a couple of

2356
01:36:14,877 --> 01:36:17,277
different groups that I've

2357
01:36:17,648 --> 01:36:19,216
spoken to, if the vote is to do

2358
01:36:19,216 --> 01:36:20,951
that, we'll do it. I mean,

2359
01:36:20,951 --> 01:36:23,120
we'll, we'll, we'll make it

2360
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:24,987
happen. And it would be nice to

2361
01:36:24,987 --> 01:36:26,230
be able to do it more

2362
01:36:26,230 --> 01:36:27,723
incrementally. That's why it's

2363
01:36:27,723 --> 01:36:28,558
one of the complaints I have

2364
01:36:28,558 --> 01:36:30,294
with Tallahassee often is that

2365
01:36:30,294 --> 01:36:32,196
they want to rip the band aid

2366
01:36:32,196 --> 01:36:33,497
off in one year, when we could

2367
01:36:33,497 --> 01:36:35,366
do things a little more

2368
01:36:35,366 --> 01:36:36,834
incrementally, but they have

2369
01:36:36,834 --> 01:36:38,736
that shot because they MAY not

2370
01:36:38,736 --> 01:36:40,300
be up there, but for two years

2371
01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:41,905
or four years. So they have a

2372
01:36:41,905 --> 01:36:43,774
shot and they do it now. It

2373
01:36:43,774 --> 01:36:44,908
doesn't make it right. And I

2374
01:36:44,908 --> 01:36:46,750
want our residents to make sure

2375
01:36:46,750 --> 01:36:47,845
that they continue to think

2376
01:36:47,845 --> 01:36:50,114
through things. So I'm going to

2377
01:36:50,114 --> 01:36:51,848
continue to hold our employees

2378
01:36:51,848 --> 01:36:53,951
accountable to their budgeting

2379
01:36:53,951 --> 01:36:55,218
process. Like like our

2380
01:36:55,218 --> 01:36:57,287
residents are demanding. So

2381
01:36:57,287 --> 01:36:58,421
either way that that comes out,

2382
01:36:58,421 --> 01:36:59,756
we're going to respond and

2383
01:36:59,756 --> 01:37:00,991
we're going to respond

2384
01:37:00,991 --> 01:37:03,600
appropriately. And that means

2385
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:04,761
if it passes, we have to

2386
01:37:04,761 --> 01:37:06,230
respond. If it doesn't pass, we

2387
01:37:06,230 --> 01:37:08,630
will respond because the

2388
01:37:09,133 --> 01:37:10,100
message will be clear that

2389
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:12,736
smaller government is the way

2390
01:37:12,736 --> 01:37:14,203
we want to go. So just a few

2391
01:37:14,203 --> 01:37:15,972
comments, just a few things. I

2392
01:37:15,972 --> 01:37:17,775
wanted to thank Kevin MacAndrew

2393
01:37:17,775 --> 01:37:20,310
for a field visit. I had a

2394
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:22,513
young man who was complaining

2395
01:37:22,513 --> 01:37:23,846
about fence in a flood zone.

2396
01:37:23,846 --> 01:37:25,716
And, you know, fencing has

2397
01:37:25,716 --> 01:37:27,417
always been an easy you don't

2398
01:37:27,417 --> 01:37:28,585
have to get a permit for a six

2399
01:37:28,585 --> 01:37:31,356
foot fence anywhere in our

2400
01:37:31,356 --> 01:37:34,570
county up except in a flood

2401
01:37:34,570 --> 01:37:35,920
zone. And a lot of our fence

2402
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:36,159
companies didn't know that very

2403
01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:37,594
simple thing. And there's a

2404
01:37:37,594 --> 01:37:39,328
certain type of fencing that

2405
01:37:39,328 --> 01:37:41,932
needs to be used. Regardless of

2406
01:37:41,932 --> 01:37:43,367
that, Kevin took the time and

2407
01:37:43,367 --> 01:37:45,135
appreciated Kevin going out

2408
01:37:45,135 --> 01:37:46,837
there and holding the hand of a

2409
01:37:46,837 --> 01:37:48,704
resident and making sure that

2410
01:37:48,704 --> 01:37:51,308
they understood why it was in

2411
01:37:51,308 --> 01:37:52,443
place and maybe even own a

2412
01:37:52,443 --> 01:37:54,878
little bit, that we haven't

2413
01:37:54,878 --> 01:37:56,480
done enough loudly enough to

2414
01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:58,482
educate our our fence companies.

2415
01:37:58,482 --> 01:38:00,249
And so he stepped that up as

2416
01:38:00,249 --> 01:38:01,185
well. And that's what I respect

2417
01:38:01,185 --> 01:38:03,152
about the building department.

2418
01:38:03,152 --> 01:38:04,720
And Kevin, they own mistakes

2419
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,556
that they make them not often,

2420
01:38:06,556 --> 01:38:07,724
but they also get out there in

2421
01:38:07,724 --> 01:38:09,593
the field and work with our

2422
01:38:09,593 --> 01:38:11,595
residents. So I wanted to give

2423
01:38:11,595 --> 01:38:13,297
them a heads, a pat on the back

2424
01:38:13,297 --> 01:38:14,997
for that. I also wanted to

2425
01:38:14,997 --> 01:38:16,500
thank the commissioners that

2426
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:19,403
did come to our Tri-County

2427
01:38:19,403 --> 01:38:20,337
meeting. This is a big deal. I

2428
01:38:20,337 --> 01:38:21,638
had one of the commissioners

2429
01:38:21,638 --> 01:38:22,705
say, well, what did you

2430
01:38:22,705 --> 01:38:24,341
accomplish? He didn't show up,

2431
01:38:24,341 --> 01:38:25,876
of course. And I said, well,

2432
01:38:25,876 --> 01:38:27,811
luckily for you, we didn't do a

2433
01:38:27,811 --> 01:38:29,110
whole lot in terms of decisions.

2434
01:38:29,110 --> 01:38:30,913
But I told them, you can be

2435
01:38:30,913 --> 01:38:32,783
part of the solution or part of

2436
01:38:32,783 --> 01:38:33,784
the problem. And I think having

2437
01:38:33,784 --> 01:38:35,251
the discussion on regional

2438
01:38:35,251 --> 01:38:36,987
issues together and getting a

2439
01:38:36,987 --> 01:38:38,188
feel for what they mean in each

2440
01:38:38,188 --> 01:38:39,923
of our counties and bringing

2441
01:38:39,923 --> 01:38:41,910
ideas to the table is really

2442
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:43,126
important and a really big deal.

2443
01:38:43,126 --> 01:38:44,927
And I hope our commission

2444
01:38:44,927 --> 01:38:47,431
continues to support it as you

2445
01:38:47,431 --> 01:38:49,533
have and and making sure that

2446
01:38:49,533 --> 01:38:52,435
our some of our Hillsborough

2447
01:38:52,435 --> 01:38:54,835
folks understand the importance

2448
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:58,842
of it. A really big deal this

2449
01:38:58,842 --> 01:39:01,478
week. Fixa, which is our Palm

2450
01:39:01,478 --> 01:39:02,279
Harbor group, that Palm Harbor

2451
01:39:02,279 --> 01:39:04,982
Eastlake Group that takes care

2452
01:39:04,982 --> 01:39:07,550
of our recreation and library

2453
01:39:07,550 --> 01:39:09,550
services, recognize Collin

2454
01:39:10,453 --> 01:39:13,223
Levique, his mom, Amanda at

2455
01:39:13,223 --> 01:39:16,223
their at their meeting, our

2456
01:39:16,459 --> 01:39:18,270
county staff, the. MR. Tim

2457
01:39:18,270 --> 01:39:19,729
Tipton was there and gave them

2458
01:39:19,729 --> 01:39:23,929
an award as well. And what this

2459
01:39:24,768 --> 01:39:26,603
young man did is on his own

2460
01:39:26,603 --> 01:39:28,338
quietly, sometimes early

2461
01:39:28,338 --> 01:39:29,573
morning, late at night, not

2462
01:39:29,573 --> 01:39:31,607
late into the evening, but you

2463
01:39:31,607 --> 01:39:33,377
know, later in the evening,

2464
01:39:33,377 --> 01:39:34,578
said he went out and cleaned up

2465
01:39:34,578 --> 01:39:37,380
graffiti that somebody had put

2466
01:39:37,380 --> 01:39:39,820
all over the facilities on the

2467
01:39:39,820 --> 01:39:41,285
recreation, did it on his own,

2468
01:39:41,285 --> 01:39:42,786
got the material, got the the

2469
01:39:42,786 --> 01:39:44,988
grinding material, whatever it

2470
01:39:44,988 --> 01:39:46,722
took to get that job done. And

2471
01:39:46,722 --> 01:39:48,125
he was out there without

2472
01:39:48,125 --> 01:39:50,270
fanfare. He was out there just

2473
01:39:50,270 --> 01:39:51,761
doing what he thought was right.

2474
01:39:51,761 --> 01:39:53,630
What a great young man. I told

2475
01:39:53,630 --> 01:39:54,731
him about yac. I didn't know

2476
01:39:54,731 --> 01:39:56,990
the deadline. Thank you for

2477
01:39:56,990 --> 01:39:56,800
mentioning that. Today,

2478
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,800
SEPTEMBER 1st. I'll make sure

2479
01:39:59,837 --> 01:40:01,872
he gets that. But he is really

2480
01:40:01,872 --> 01:40:04,600
one of those special young kids

2481
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,600
that went above and beyond.

2482
01:40:07,278 --> 01:40:08,711
Certainly we can all take notes

2483
01:40:08,711 --> 01:40:10,547
and lessons from that, but

2484
01:40:10,547 --> 01:40:11,981
certainly the young people that

2485
01:40:11,981 --> 01:40:14,485
are our high schools can do the

2486
01:40:14,485 --> 01:40:16,252
same. So congratulations, Colin,

2487
01:40:16,252 --> 01:40:19,823
and to his mom for raising a

2488
01:40:19,823 --> 01:40:21,658
special young man. Had a good

2489
01:40:21,658 --> 01:40:23,393
meeting this morning with our

2490
01:40:23,393 --> 01:40:25,793
our Veterans Engagement Board.

2491
01:40:26,662 --> 01:40:31,462
I sit on that board and we talk

2492
01:40:32,350 --> 01:40:35,500
about what the what the our

2493
01:40:35,500 --> 01:40:37,406
veterans hospital is doing for

2494
01:40:37,406 --> 01:40:38,708
our for our vets. And also we

2495
01:40:38,708 --> 01:40:40,430
hear from our vets in different

2496
01:40:40,430 --> 01:40:41,745
groups. There's different

2497
01:40:41,745 --> 01:40:43,213
groups that are on that board

2498
01:40:43,213 --> 01:40:46,213
talking about the things that

2499
01:40:46,483 --> 01:40:47,683
are affecting our military

2500
01:40:47,683 --> 01:40:50,486
veterans. And so it's really a

2501
01:40:50,486 --> 01:40:51,822
good board to be on. And Brett

2502
01:40:51,822 --> 01:40:54,424
Miller, who is on that board,

2503
01:40:54,424 --> 01:40:56,627
he's been our chair in the past,

2504
01:40:56,627 --> 01:40:58,327
as was one of our is one of our

2505
01:40:58,327 --> 01:41:00,727
leaders. Father Bob Swick

2506
01:41:01,297 --> 01:41:03,534
helped establish the board when

2507
01:41:03,534 --> 01:41:05,502
it first came out in 2015. And

2508
01:41:05,502 --> 01:41:07,471
they do they do a lot of good

2509
01:41:07,471 --> 01:41:08,638
work. So I want to thank them

2510
01:41:08,638 --> 01:41:10,541
and the multitude of folks that

2511
01:41:10,541 --> 01:41:11,775
are on that board. I have a

2512
01:41:11,775 --> 01:41:14,775
meeting with Florida. I'm on

2513
01:41:15,311 --> 01:41:17,381
the Florida Healthy Kids board

2514
01:41:17,381 --> 01:41:19,215
tomorrow, and so we'll be

2515
01:41:19,215 --> 01:41:21,615
having our quarterly board

2516
01:41:27,558 --> 01:41:29,726
meeting. We have I talked to

2517
01:41:29,726 --> 01:41:30,961
the the county attorney because

2518
01:41:30,961 --> 01:41:33,961
I was a little uncomfortable

2519
01:41:35,799 --> 01:41:37,935
with leaving the resolution or,

2520
01:41:37,935 --> 01:41:40,935
excuse me, leaving a potential

2521
01:41:41,939 --> 01:41:44,474
code change to our. Oh, what's

2522
01:41:44,474 --> 01:41:45,476
the name, the town, the, the

2523
01:41:45,476 --> 01:41:46,210
facilities that we're talking

2524
01:41:46,210 --> 01:41:46,743
about.

2525
01:41:46,743 --> 01:41:48,743
>> Data centers.

2526
01:41:49,178 --> 01:41:52,178
>> Yeah, yeah. Thank you. And

2527
01:41:52,349 --> 01:41:53,784
so it's been her recommendation

2528
01:41:53,784 --> 01:41:56,720
that we don't do code changes

2529
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:58,122
for a lot of reasons. But we

2530
01:41:58,122 --> 01:41:59,923
talked about maybe something

2531
01:41:59,923 --> 01:42:02,920
else stepping up and doing a

2532
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:03,794
resolution of, of support. And

2533
01:42:03,794 --> 01:42:06,363
maybe we can do something that

2534
01:42:06,363 --> 01:42:08,265
just kind of says, hey, we're

2535
01:42:08,265 --> 01:42:10,834
not in favor. So maybe you want

2536
01:42:10,834 --> 01:42:12,336
to comment on that just briefly.

2537
01:42:12,336 --> 01:42:13,469
>> Yeah, I think that, you know,

2538
01:42:13,469 --> 01:42:14,538
we've had discussion about data

2539
01:42:14,538 --> 01:42:15,639
centers here. I know that

2540
01:42:15,639 --> 01:42:16,673
you've seen many of your

2541
01:42:16,673 --> 01:42:18,375
colleagues around the state

2542
01:42:18,375 --> 01:42:19,443
take action, both county and

2543
01:42:19,443 --> 01:42:21,410
city levels. We've expressed a

2544
01:42:21,410 --> 01:42:22,513
concern to you about sb 180 and

2545
01:42:22,513 --> 01:42:24,414
just some other moving pieces.

2546
01:42:24,414 --> 01:42:25,516
But I think probably one of the

2547
01:42:25,516 --> 01:42:26,517
biggest concerns I would have

2548
01:42:26,517 --> 01:42:27,684
and moving forward with the

2549
01:42:27,684 --> 01:42:28,752
proposed moratorium is we've

2550
01:42:28,752 --> 01:42:30,521
already expressed to you that

2551
01:42:30,521 --> 01:42:31,554
our code does not allow data

2552
01:42:31,554 --> 01:42:33,623
centers, and I would be

2553
01:42:33,623 --> 01:42:34,792
hesitant to enact a moratorium

2554
01:42:34,792 --> 01:42:35,926
on something that is not

2555
01:42:35,926 --> 01:42:37,940
currently allowed, because I

2556
01:42:37,940 --> 01:42:38,896
feel like that would give the

2557
01:42:38,896 --> 01:42:40,264
impression that it is, in fact,

2558
01:42:40,264 --> 01:42:41,697
allowed. Commissioner Eggers, I

2559
01:42:41,697 --> 01:42:42,999
did speak earlier and I

2560
01:42:42,999 --> 01:42:44,201
suggested a resolution. I think

2561
01:42:44,201 --> 01:42:45,269
some others of you have had

2562
01:42:45,269 --> 01:42:47,370
that conversation with members

2563
01:42:47,370 --> 01:42:48,906
on my staff. A resolution would

2564
01:42:48,906 --> 01:42:50,607
be, I think, preferable for a

2565
01:42:50,607 --> 01:42:51,707
number of reasons. I think that

2566
01:42:51,707 --> 01:42:53,609
you could we could use a

2567
01:42:53,609 --> 01:42:54,677
resolution passed by the board

2568
01:42:54,677 --> 01:42:56,450
to express our intent, that

2569
01:42:56,450 --> 01:42:57,547
these aren't allowed by our

2570
01:42:57,547 --> 01:42:58,782
code. We don't intend for them

2571
01:42:58,782 --> 01:43:00,584
to be allowed by our code. We

2572
01:43:00,584 --> 01:43:01,751
stand by what's currently in

2573
01:43:01,751 --> 01:43:03,654
our code. But I do think we

2574
01:43:03,654 --> 01:43:04,855
need to take some a look at

2575
01:43:04,855 --> 01:43:05,823
some of the provisions

2576
01:43:05,823 --> 01:43:07,590
eventually. You know, perhaps,

2577
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:09,920
maybe once sb 180 is not an

2578
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:11,492
issue. My understanding is

2579
01:43:11,895 --> 01:43:13,296
there are not the kind of data

2580
01:43:13,296 --> 01:43:14,798
centers we're talking about,

2581
01:43:14,798 --> 01:43:16,399
but smaller versions that are

2582
01:43:16,399 --> 01:43:18,799
maybe associated with hospitals

2583
01:43:19,470 --> 01:43:20,638
or, you know, educational

2584
01:43:20,638 --> 01:43:22,772
institutes. So I think we need

2585
01:43:22,772 --> 01:43:24,141
to take a look at maybe some

2586
01:43:24,141 --> 01:43:25,575
definitions in the code and

2587
01:43:25,575 --> 01:43:27,760
clarifying those those those

2588
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:28,450
remain allowed and others don't.

2589
01:43:28,450 --> 01:43:30,313
But, you know, we could get

2590
01:43:30,313 --> 01:43:31,114
certainly with the staff and

2591
01:43:31,114 --> 01:43:33,483
planning staff to take a look

2592
01:43:33,483 --> 01:43:34,485
at something like that. Another

2593
01:43:34,485 --> 01:43:36,219
nice thing about a resolution

2594
01:43:36,219 --> 01:43:37,420
is you could pass that at any

2595
01:43:37,420 --> 01:43:39,223
meeting, rather than having to

2596
01:43:39,223 --> 01:43:40,790
go through the drc and the lpa

2597
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:43,190
and several public hearings

2598
01:43:43,226 --> 01:43:44,227
before an ordinance like a

2599
01:43:44,227 --> 01:43:47,164
moratorium could make it to

2600
01:43:47,164 --> 01:43:49,266
this body. So we certainly

2601
01:43:49,266 --> 01:43:50,801
understand, you know, the the

2602
01:43:50,801 --> 01:43:53,201
issues related with data

2603
01:43:53,637 --> 01:43:54,638
centers. And I think a

2604
01:43:54,638 --> 01:43:56,507
resolution stating, you know,

2605
01:43:56,507 --> 01:43:59,507
our intent and reinforcing that

2606
01:43:59,810 --> 01:44:01,611
that's what this board supports

2607
01:44:01,611 --> 01:44:02,679
is no data centers, you know,

2608
01:44:02,679 --> 01:44:04,681
in unincorporated county, I

2609
01:44:04,681 --> 01:44:05,883
think would be a yeah, I think

2610
01:44:05,883 --> 01:44:06,830
it would be a good compromise

2611
01:44:06,830 --> 01:44:07,851
move.

2612
01:44:07,851 --> 01:44:09,553
>> And I, and I really, you

2613
01:44:09,553 --> 01:44:11,320
talked about it and intuitively,

2614
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:12,923
it made sense to me, but I

2615
01:44:12,923 --> 01:44:14,625
don't want to send her down

2616
01:44:14,625 --> 01:44:16,627
that path unless we felt

2617
01:44:16,627 --> 01:44:17,590
comfortable giving her some of

2618
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:18,528
that direction. But

2619
01:44:18,528 --> 01:44:20,928
Commissioner Scott, go ahead.

2620
01:44:21,650 --> 01:44:22,800
>> No, I agree completely that

2621
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,267
I think a resolution would be a

2622
01:44:24,267 --> 01:44:26,537
really smart thing to do,

2623
01:44:26,537 --> 01:44:27,871
because there's a lot of angst

2624
01:44:27,871 --> 01:44:29,672
out in the public on this

2625
01:44:29,672 --> 01:44:30,807
particular item. And and I've

2626
01:44:30,807 --> 01:44:32,743
gotten the emails as well as

2627
01:44:32,743 --> 01:44:34,310
I'm sure all of you have. And

2628
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:35,778
they're really pushing us some

2629
01:44:35,778 --> 01:44:38,470
groups to do a moratorium, but

2630
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:39,983
we can't because of sb 180. And

2631
01:44:39,983 --> 01:44:42,352
a moratorium is only good for a

2632
01:44:42,352 --> 01:44:44,220
year anyways. So I think if we

2633
01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:45,922
were to do a resolution that

2634
01:44:45,922 --> 01:44:47,723
just, you know, laid out our

2635
01:44:47,723 --> 01:44:49,425
intent, I think that would just

2636
01:44:49,425 --> 01:44:50,627
go a long way to building some

2637
01:44:50,627 --> 01:44:51,595
trust with the public, because

2638
01:44:51,595 --> 01:44:53,430
there's just a concern out

2639
01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:54,664
there that if we don't do a

2640
01:44:54,664 --> 01:44:56,333
moratorium that some some slick

2641
01:44:56,333 --> 01:44:57,468
developers are going to come

2642
01:44:57,468 --> 01:44:59,403
through here and they're just

2643
01:44:59,403 --> 01:45:00,636
going to find a way to get it

2644
01:45:00,636 --> 01:45:02,406
through. And before you know it,

2645
01:45:02,406 --> 01:45:03,639
we're going to have this. We

2646
01:45:03,639 --> 01:45:05,374
don't have the space anyways. I

2647
01:45:05,374 --> 01:45:06,543
mean, let's, let's be honest

2648
01:45:06,543 --> 01:45:07,644
about it. But, but I think

2649
01:45:07,644 --> 01:45:09,378
there's also a big difference,

2650
01:45:09,378 --> 01:45:10,581
like Joel was saying about

2651
01:45:10,581 --> 01:45:12,415
defining what a data center is.

2652
01:45:12,415 --> 01:45:13,417
I mean, it's, you know, a

2653
01:45:13,417 --> 01:45:14,451
Google or an Amazon or

2654
01:45:14,451 --> 01:45:15,586
Microsoft data center that

2655
01:45:15,586 --> 01:45:16,688
takes up acres and acres and

2656
01:45:16,688 --> 01:45:18,356
acres. That's for retail

2657
01:45:18,356 --> 01:45:19,490
purposes, is a lot different

2658
01:45:19,490 --> 01:45:20,490
than a data center that the

2659
01:45:20,490 --> 01:45:22,392
sheriff's office uses or a

2660
01:45:22,392 --> 01:45:23,392
hospital uses. I mean, they're

2661
01:45:23,392 --> 01:45:24,695
already here, but they're for

2662
01:45:24,695 --> 01:45:26,930
their for in-house specific

2663
01:45:26,930 --> 01:45:28,310
purposes, industrial purposes

2664
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:29,466
specific to their mission. So I

2665
01:45:29,466 --> 01:45:31,635
think there's a big distinction

2666
01:45:31,635 --> 01:45:33,370
there between between what they

2667
01:45:33,370 --> 01:45:34,438
are. Yeah. So but I think

2668
01:45:34,438 --> 01:45:35,571
resolution is a great idea.

2669
01:45:35,571 --> 01:45:37,307
>> Thank you, Commissioner

2670
01:45:37,307 --> 01:45:38,909
Scott. Commissioner flowers.

2671
01:45:38,909 --> 01:45:40,610
>> Thank you, MR. Chair. I just

2672
01:45:40,610 --> 01:45:41,711
want to ask this question just

2673
01:45:41,711 --> 01:45:43,446
for clarity, because Pinellas

2674
01:45:43,446 --> 01:45:45,582
Park just recently did a

2675
01:45:45,582 --> 01:45:46,884
moratorium. They had a proposed

2676
01:45:46,884 --> 01:45:48,418
data center that was going to

2677
01:45:48,418 --> 01:45:49,553
come over there. I know Citrus

2678
01:45:49,553 --> 01:45:51,388
County has done one. They did

2679
01:45:51,388 --> 01:45:52,523
one for 14 months because of

2680
01:45:52,523 --> 01:45:54,757
something else that was going

2681
01:45:54,757 --> 01:45:56,627
on. So and you MAY not know the

2682
01:45:56,627 --> 01:45:57,795
answer to this, how are they

2683
01:45:57,795 --> 01:45:59,662
getting around sb 180? Because

2684
01:45:59,662 --> 01:46:01,432
it's all the state of Florida.

2685
01:46:01,432 --> 01:46:03,567
So just asking the question

2686
01:46:03,567 --> 01:46:05,369
because excuse me, I think I

2687
01:46:05,369 --> 01:46:07,538
shared with you guys at Naco,

2688
01:46:07,538 --> 01:46:09,339
there were three huge sessions

2689
01:46:09,339 --> 01:46:10,773
on data centers because it's

2690
01:46:10,773 --> 01:46:12,943
all over the United States, the

2691
01:46:12,943 --> 01:46:13,910
issue or concern. And then I

2692
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:15,450
know with the Florida

2693
01:46:15,450 --> 01:46:16,547
Association of Counties, we had

2694
01:46:16,547 --> 01:46:18,282
breakout sessions on data

2695
01:46:18,282 --> 01:46:19,850
centers because it is becoming

2696
01:46:19,850 --> 01:46:21,919
a real issue in more of our

2697
01:46:21,919 --> 01:46:24,855
rural communities that have the

2698
01:46:24,855 --> 01:46:27,255
land available for potential.

2699
01:46:27,390 --> 01:46:28,524
So just curious.

2700
01:46:28,524 --> 01:46:30,426
>> Well, one thing I would

2701
01:46:30,426 --> 01:46:31,495
point out is if you paid

2702
01:46:31,495 --> 01:46:32,528
attention to the action taken

2703
01:46:32,528 --> 01:46:34,164
over in Hillsborough, they

2704
01:46:34,164 --> 01:46:36,660
deferred theirs until the

2705
01:46:36,660 --> 01:46:37,434
expiration of sb 180.

2706
01:46:37,434 --> 01:46:38,702
Recognizing the potential

2707
01:46:38,702 --> 01:46:39,971
impact. I would recommend that

2708
01:46:39,971 --> 01:46:41,772
you do that either because the

2709
01:46:41,772 --> 01:46:44,772
language in sb 180 talks about

2710
01:46:45,375 --> 01:46:48,278
proposing, which you know, is

2711
01:46:48,278 --> 01:46:49,745
something short of adopting. I

2712
01:46:49,745 --> 01:46:51,314
can talk with you offline about

2713
01:46:51,314 --> 01:46:52,549
what some of my colleagues and

2714
01:46:52,549 --> 01:46:53,950
some of those counties have

2715
01:46:53,950 --> 01:46:56,920
told me. They advised their

2716
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,289
boards that passed ordinances.

2717
01:46:59,289 --> 01:47:00,457
Nonetheless, it's a risk. I

2718
01:47:00,457 --> 01:47:02,693
mean, it's a risk. And also, I

2719
01:47:02,693 --> 01:47:03,493
don't know the status of of the

2720
01:47:03,493 --> 01:47:04,427
ordinances and their land

2721
01:47:04,427 --> 01:47:05,995
development code and those

2722
01:47:05,995 --> 01:47:07,698
other communities. Here we have

2723
01:47:07,698 --> 01:47:09,833
a code that specifically says

2724
01:47:09,833 --> 01:47:11,340
if a use is not specifically

2725
01:47:11,340 --> 01:47:13,137
provided for in this code, it

2726
01:47:13,137 --> 01:47:14,238
is prohibited. I don't know

2727
01:47:14,238 --> 01:47:15,973
what the codes look like in

2728
01:47:15,973 --> 01:47:17,207
those other those other areas.

2729
01:47:17,207 --> 01:47:18,408
And perhaps it might have just

2730
01:47:18,408 --> 01:47:20,244
been a risk assessment and they

2731
01:47:20,244 --> 01:47:21,378
thought it was worth it. Your

2732
01:47:21,378 --> 01:47:23,246
code doesn't allow for data

2733
01:47:23,246 --> 01:47:24,381
centers. So and some of the,

2734
01:47:24,381 --> 01:47:26,283
you know, the look that we

2735
01:47:26,283 --> 01:47:28,117
might want to take. And I think

2736
01:47:28,117 --> 01:47:29,286
that some of the what you've

2737
01:47:29,286 --> 01:47:31,187
heard is described here as far

2738
01:47:31,187 --> 01:47:32,156
as the smaller ones, those are

2739
01:47:32,156 --> 01:47:33,156
ancillary to another use.

2740
01:47:33,156 --> 01:47:34,390
They're not they're not a

2741
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:36,293
primary use, you know, so we've

2742
01:47:36,293 --> 01:47:37,294
got data centers in this county

2743
01:47:37,294 --> 01:47:39,462
that are ancillary uses, not

2744
01:47:39,462 --> 01:47:40,596
the primary use, which is which

2745
01:47:40,596 --> 01:47:43,733
is what people are, which is

2746
01:47:43,733 --> 01:47:45,369
what people are upset about. So

2747
01:47:45,369 --> 01:47:46,602
I, I can tell you what some of

2748
01:47:46,602 --> 01:47:48,471
my colleagues have said, but I

2749
01:47:48,471 --> 01:47:50,340
think that I think that I think

2750
01:47:50,340 --> 01:47:51,507
that some folks are just taking

2751
01:47:51,507 --> 01:47:52,543
a risk analysis and deciding

2752
01:47:52,543 --> 01:47:54,378
that it's worth it for them,

2753
01:47:54,378 --> 01:47:55,311
because perhaps their codes do

2754
01:47:55,311 --> 01:47:56,345
not already prohibit them.

2755
01:47:56,345 --> 01:47:56,732
>> Thank you. Commissioner

2756
01:47:56,732 --> 01:47:58,482
Peterson.

2757
01:47:58,482 --> 01:47:59,916
>> So when I asked this, I

2758
01:47:59,916 --> 01:48:02,418
don't know if it was Thursday

2759
01:48:02,418 --> 01:48:05,988
or when I asked this, the

2760
01:48:05,988 --> 01:48:06,757
response I got was that Forward

2761
01:48:06,757 --> 01:48:07,791
Pinellas was working on

2762
01:48:07,791 --> 01:48:09,426
something that would be county

2763
01:48:09,426 --> 01:48:10,662
wide and therefore to impact

2764
01:48:10,662 --> 01:48:11,795
all the cities. So therefore it

2765
01:48:11,795 --> 01:48:13,362
would truly be county wide

2766
01:48:13,362 --> 01:48:15,199
versus if the county does

2767
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:16,650
something. So, Barry, is that

2768
01:48:16,650 --> 01:48:17,166
our understanding?

2769
01:48:17,166 --> 01:48:17,600
>> Because that was my

2770
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:18,969
understanding.

2771
01:48:18,969 --> 01:48:20,504
>> And I talked to whit about

2772
01:48:20,504 --> 01:48:22,339
it yesterday. And whit said

2773
01:48:22,339 --> 01:48:24,410
they hoped to have it to us by

2774
01:48:24,410 --> 01:48:25,409
OCTOBER, sometime in OCTOBER.

2775
01:48:25,409 --> 01:48:27,144
He also said NOVEMBER. I said

2776
01:48:27,144 --> 01:48:30,513
OCTOBER would be better, so I'm

2777
01:48:30,513 --> 01:48:32,349
hoping it comes in OCTOBER, but

2778
01:48:32,349 --> 01:48:33,382
I don't think that we should do

2779
01:48:33,382 --> 01:48:34,751
something different than what

2780
01:48:34,751 --> 01:48:35,786
forward Pinellas is going to

2781
01:48:35,786 --> 01:48:37,421
propose, that we're going to

2782
01:48:37,421 --> 01:48:38,422
then adopt forward.

2783
01:48:38,422 --> 01:48:39,556
>> Pinellas has a very

2784
01:48:39,556 --> 01:48:41,792
different forward. Pinellas is

2785
01:48:41,792 --> 01:48:43,827
a. Land is a comprehensive plan,

2786
01:48:43,827 --> 01:48:45,596
and the only regulatory

2787
01:48:45,596 --> 01:48:47,363
authority forward Pinellas has

2788
01:48:47,363 --> 01:48:48,899
is to ensure that the other

2789
01:48:48,899 --> 01:48:50,667
local governments plans within

2790
01:48:50,667 --> 01:48:51,902
Pinellas County are consistent.

2791
01:48:51,902 --> 01:48:53,170
We would be enacting this

2792
01:48:53,170 --> 01:48:54,972
through our land development

2793
01:48:54,972 --> 01:48:56,439
codes for. Pinellas has no

2794
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:58,542
ability to do that. They can

2795
01:48:58,542 --> 01:49:00,543
create a model, but it really

2796
01:49:00,543 --> 01:49:01,612
is not going to have a lot of

2797
01:49:01,612 --> 01:49:02,813
impact in other communities. It

2798
01:49:02,813 --> 01:49:03,781
is best for the individual

2799
01:49:03,781 --> 01:49:05,820
communities here to handle it

2800
01:49:05,820 --> 01:49:06,517
themselves in a consistent

2801
01:49:06,517 --> 01:49:08,118
manner. Now forward Pinellas

2802
01:49:08,118 --> 01:49:10,154
can put into their local rules

2803
01:49:10,154 --> 01:49:11,522
and their plan a framework with

2804
01:49:11,522 --> 01:49:12,588
which all of the local

2805
01:49:12,588 --> 01:49:13,230
governments would have to be

2806
01:49:13,230 --> 01:49:14,190
consistent.

2807
01:49:14,190 --> 01:49:15,525
>> That's what they're looking

2808
01:49:15,525 --> 01:49:17,930
at. That's exactly what they're.

2809
01:49:17,930 --> 01:49:19,863
>> Looking at. The the local

2810
01:49:19,863 --> 01:49:22,266
land development codes is where

2811
01:49:22,266 --> 01:49:24,134
you really need to have the

2812
01:49:24,134 --> 01:49:24,499
restrictions in place.

2813
01:49:24,499 --> 01:49:25,301
>> Okay.

2814
01:49:25,301 --> 01:49:27,301
>> Thank you.

2815
01:49:27,404 --> 01:49:29,173
>> And let me just say, a

2816
01:49:29,173 --> 01:49:31,307
developer could not be denied

2817
01:49:31,307 --> 01:49:32,376
the a data center use strictly

2818
01:49:32,376 --> 01:49:34,244
because of the forward Pinellas

2819
01:49:34,244 --> 01:49:34,729
plan.

2820
01:49:34,729 --> 01:49:36,729
>> Barry.

2821
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:39,480
>> But for clarification this

2822
01:49:39,616 --> 01:49:42,118
this come about by two

2823
01:49:42,118 --> 01:49:43,287
inquiries into two different.

2824
01:49:43,287 --> 01:49:45,556
One in the unincorporated area

2825
01:49:45,556 --> 01:49:47,591
and one in Pinellas Park. And

2826
01:49:47,591 --> 01:49:49,593
it was simply an inquiry, not a

2827
01:49:49,593 --> 01:49:50,860
formal application. And so a

2828
01:49:50,860 --> 01:49:52,228
lot of the. And that's where

2829
01:49:52,228 --> 01:49:53,931
people are concerned about it.

2830
01:49:53,931 --> 01:49:55,310
Right. And the noise that is

2831
01:49:55,310 --> 01:49:58,310
generated and what they read

2832
01:49:58,267 --> 01:50:00,537
and hear without knowing, is it

2833
01:50:00,537 --> 01:50:03,730
an ancillary use? Is it a big

2834
01:50:03,730 --> 01:50:04,207
data center? You know what the

2835
01:50:04,207 --> 01:50:06,143
particulars are we you know, we

2836
01:50:06,143 --> 01:50:07,900
even looked at and I talked to

2837
01:50:07,900 --> 01:50:08,812
different commissioners about,

2838
01:50:08,812 --> 01:50:11,140
you know, water restrictions in

2839
01:50:11,140 --> 01:50:12,382
use. But but it's not allowed

2840
01:50:12,382 --> 01:50:15,285
in Pinellas Park. It's not

2841
01:50:15,285 --> 01:50:16,587
allowed in our code. So we have

2842
01:50:16,587 --> 01:50:18,422
those those protections in

2843
01:50:18,422 --> 01:50:22,622
place. But we have we have not

2844
01:50:24,194 --> 01:50:26,594
had a formal application.

2845
01:50:26,797 --> 01:50:28,566
>> So okay. To have her kind of

2846
01:50:28,566 --> 01:50:29,266
look into this and bring that

2847
01:50:29,266 --> 01:50:30,768
forward.

2848
01:50:30,768 --> 01:50:31,935
>> Okay. I'd like.

2849
01:50:31,935 --> 01:50:32,936
>> I'd like it sooner than

2850
01:50:32,936 --> 01:50:34,738
later because we've been

2851
01:50:34,738 --> 01:50:34,938
talking about this for a long

2852
01:50:34,938 --> 01:50:36,740
time.

2853
01:50:36,740 --> 01:50:38,308
>> Yeah, I think we can move

2854
01:50:38,308 --> 01:50:39,476
pretty quickly. Right. Joel.

2855
01:50:39,476 --> 01:50:40,476
>> Tom, Tom will work with

2856
01:50:40,476 --> 01:50:42,876
county attorneys on that.

2857
01:50:43,714 --> 01:50:45,749
>> Okay. Thank you. And not not

2858
01:50:45,749 --> 01:50:46,950
to get into the big discussions

2859
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:48,118
about the other thing that's

2860
01:50:48,118 --> 01:50:51,118
floating around. And that's the

2861
01:50:51,187 --> 01:50:53,230
the flock camera controversy or

2862
01:50:53,230 --> 01:50:55,423
whatever, which, you know,

2863
01:50:56,325 --> 01:50:58,395
again, it's all we hear about

2864
01:50:58,395 --> 01:50:59,997
are the evils of, of the, of

2865
01:50:59,997 --> 01:51:02,980
the, of the technology and of

2866
01:51:02,980 --> 01:51:04,567
the use. And yet there are many

2867
01:51:04,567 --> 01:51:06,469
cases and many things that are

2868
01:51:06,469 --> 01:51:08,906
been solved because of it, you

2869
01:51:08,906 --> 01:51:11,410
know, and so it's not, it's not

2870
01:51:11,410 --> 01:51:13,209
all bad. But what I have heard

2871
01:51:13,209 --> 01:51:15,120
repeatedly is that there

2872
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:18,120
probably needs to be additional

2873
01:51:22,186 --> 01:51:24,387
work done for additional.

2874
01:51:24,387 --> 01:51:26,523
Repercussions for any law

2875
01:51:26,523 --> 01:51:28,923
enforcement officer that abuses

2876
01:51:29,792 --> 01:51:31,894
the use of that and abusing to

2877
01:51:31,894 --> 01:51:34,894
be defined, whatever that is,

2878
01:51:35,933 --> 01:51:37,734
in illegal or personal benefits.

2879
01:51:37,734 --> 01:51:39,837
So I, you know, again, I think

2880
01:51:39,837 --> 01:51:41,706
it, you know, I'm not I'm not

2881
01:51:41,706 --> 01:51:44,174
asking anybody to come forward

2882
01:51:44,174 --> 01:51:45,942
to explain the technology of

2883
01:51:45,942 --> 01:51:48,145
flock cameras. But I do think

2884
01:51:48,145 --> 01:51:49,913
that we probably can look into

2885
01:51:49,913 --> 01:51:50,781
that that aspect. I think

2886
01:51:50,781 --> 01:51:53,150
regardless of how you might

2887
01:51:53,150 --> 01:51:54,551
feel individually about them, I

2888
01:51:54,551 --> 01:51:56,119
mean, I think that that aspect

2889
01:51:56,119 --> 01:51:58,922
is probably the one area that

2890
01:51:58,922 --> 01:52:00,290
we could really make it because

2891
01:52:00,290 --> 01:52:03,890
that's we want to keep this

2892
01:52:03,993 --> 01:52:06,393
information private. Barry. Oh.

2893
01:52:06,430 --> 01:52:08,266
>> Commissioner, first.

2894
01:52:08,266 --> 01:52:10,670
>> Commissioner Scott. Go ahead.

2895
01:52:10,670 --> 01:52:13,670
>> Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. I

2896
01:52:13,637 --> 01:52:15,472
mean, I people have a lot of

2897
01:52:15,472 --> 01:52:17,872
distrust in government, and

2898
01:52:17,975 --> 01:52:19,760
this hasn't helped that at all.

2899
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:21,245
Nothing. We didn't make any

2900
01:52:21,245 --> 01:52:23,413
decisions on any of it. I mean,

2901
01:52:23,413 --> 01:52:24,914
we we don't we don't do that

2902
01:52:24,914 --> 01:52:26,250
here. Right. The sheriff

2903
01:52:26,250 --> 01:52:27,785
handles that for the county.

2904
01:52:27,785 --> 01:52:29,153
And the individual agencies

2905
01:52:29,153 --> 01:52:31,320
handle that amongst themselves.

2906
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:33,890
We never voted on it. We never

2907
01:52:33,890 --> 01:52:34,957
talked about it. It never

2908
01:52:34,957 --> 01:52:37,795
nothing ever came before us on

2909
01:52:37,795 --> 01:52:39,295
it. Now you're starting to see

2910
01:52:39,295 --> 01:52:40,864
some agencies come out and talk

2911
01:52:40,864 --> 01:52:42,499
about it, and I'm glad to see

2912
01:52:42,499 --> 01:52:44,100
them doing that. Okay. They're

2913
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:45,350
talking about some of the good

2914
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:46,804
things that that it's doing,

2915
01:52:46,804 --> 01:52:48,337
but the fact that these things

2916
01:52:48,337 --> 01:52:49,872
just showed up and people are

2917
01:52:49,872 --> 01:52:51,740
wondering what what they are. I

2918
01:52:51,740 --> 01:52:52,750
mean, it looks like a big, vast

2919
01:52:52,750 --> 01:52:53,910
surveillance net. I mean,

2920
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:55,111
that's what it looks like. And

2921
01:52:55,111 --> 01:52:56,145
it makes people uncomfortable.

2922
01:52:56,145 --> 01:52:57,880
It just does. And when it

2923
01:52:57,880 --> 01:52:59,649
happens without any, any public

2924
01:52:59,649 --> 01:53:00,617
input or any comment, people

2925
01:53:00,617 --> 01:53:02,518
are understandably going to be

2926
01:53:02,518 --> 01:53:03,620
upset about that. I mean, I

2927
01:53:03,620 --> 01:53:04,588
don't I don't think that

2928
01:53:04,588 --> 01:53:06,557
they're being unreasonable. I

2929
01:53:06,557 --> 01:53:07,691
talked to a lot of people about

2930
01:53:07,691 --> 01:53:08,758
these, and some of them are

2931
01:53:08,758 --> 01:53:10,494
unreasonable, and they're never

2932
01:53:10,494 --> 01:53:11,727
going to like an answer. But

2933
01:53:11,727 --> 01:53:14,131
I've talked to a lot of people

2934
01:53:14,131 --> 01:53:15,332
that are very like solid

2935
01:53:15,332 --> 01:53:17,101
community people that are

2936
01:53:17,101 --> 01:53:18,368
concerned about it and just

2937
01:53:18,368 --> 01:53:19,969
wondering where they came from,

2938
01:53:19,969 --> 01:53:22,710
how they're used, who has

2939
01:53:22,710 --> 01:53:23,340
access to the data, what are

2940
01:53:23,340 --> 01:53:25,800
the data retention policies? I

2941
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:26,242
mean, those are legitimate

2942
01:53:26,242 --> 01:53:28,245
concerns. So I'm glad to see

2943
01:53:28,245 --> 01:53:29,145
that there are some agencies

2944
01:53:29,145 --> 01:53:30,314
out there actually talking. I

2945
01:53:30,314 --> 01:53:31,482
mean, I mean, Chief Holloway's

2946
01:53:31,482 --> 01:53:32,883
out there talking about it.

2947
01:53:32,883 --> 01:53:34,351
Grady Judd's out there talking,

2948
01:53:34,351 --> 01:53:36,486
talking about them. And I think

2949
01:53:36,486 --> 01:53:38,622
the more that people do that,

2950
01:53:38,622 --> 01:53:39,723
people will they MAY not like

2951
01:53:39,723 --> 01:53:40,723
them, but they MAY have at

2952
01:53:40,723 --> 01:53:41,580
least have a better

2953
01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:42,726
understanding.

2954
01:53:42,726 --> 01:53:44,428
>> Allay the concerns a little

2955
01:53:44,428 --> 01:53:46,230
bit, you know, because yeah,

2956
01:53:46,230 --> 01:53:47,998
yeah. I mean, the complaints

2957
01:53:47,998 --> 01:53:49,533
that you hear about are

2958
01:53:49,533 --> 01:53:51,235
occasional case around the

2959
01:53:51,235 --> 01:53:54,235
country where there's been an

2960
01:53:54,571 --> 01:53:55,205
abuse of that private data and

2961
01:53:55,205 --> 01:53:57,205
go ahead.

2962
01:53:57,341 --> 01:53:58,808
>> And any system is, you know,

2963
01:53:58,808 --> 01:54:00,510
that's no different than an

2964
01:54:00,510 --> 01:54:01,511
officer sitting in his car and

2965
01:54:01,511 --> 01:54:04,511
just, you know, plugging in

2966
01:54:04,581 --> 01:54:06,683
license plates of pretty girls,

2967
01:54:06,683 --> 01:54:08,850
right? I mean, and there have

2968
01:54:08,850 --> 01:54:09,510
been officers that have been

2969
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:10,753
disciplined for things like

2970
01:54:10,753 --> 01:54:13,624
that too. So any system like

2971
01:54:13,624 --> 01:54:14,991
that is capable of being abused.

2972
01:54:14,991 --> 01:54:16,560
There just has to be policies

2973
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:17,661
around that to make sure that

2974
01:54:17,661 --> 01:54:19,362
that was my point. If it

2975
01:54:19,362 --> 01:54:20,631
happens that there's, you know.

2976
01:54:20,631 --> 01:54:21,899
>> Well, thank you for the

2977
01:54:21,899 --> 01:54:24,101
context because I think that's

2978
01:54:24,101 --> 01:54:26,904
important as well where it's

2979
01:54:26,904 --> 01:54:27,970
come from and, and what our

2980
01:54:27,970 --> 01:54:29,872
responsibility is for that. But

2981
01:54:29,872 --> 01:54:31,908
I do think to your point about

2982
01:54:31,908 --> 01:54:32,676
more groups talking about it,

2983
01:54:32,676 --> 01:54:34,143
just.

2984
01:54:34,143 --> 01:54:35,912
>> If you don't talk about it

2985
01:54:35,912 --> 01:54:36,180
in the absence of information.

2986
01:54:36,180 --> 01:54:37,214
>> People.

2987
01:54:37,214 --> 01:54:39,116
>> They're going to fill in the

2988
01:54:39,116 --> 01:54:40,250
blanks and it's not going to be

2989
01:54:40,250 --> 01:54:42,119
with something good. Yeah. I

2990
01:54:42,119 --> 01:54:42,319
mean, it's just not going to be

2991
01:54:42,319 --> 01:54:44,870
right.

2992
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:47,560
>> So thank you. Appreciate the

2993
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:48,257
perspective. Anybody else? Okay.

2994
01:54:48,257 --> 01:54:50,590
>> Can we take a moment for

2995
01:54:50,590 --> 01:54:52,463
Dolly Parton who just passed

2996
01:54:52,463 --> 01:54:53,630
away? She is like an American

2997
01:54:53,630 --> 01:54:55,565
legend. And if you don't feel

2998
01:54:55,565 --> 01:54:57,968
that way, but she just she just

2999
01:54:57,968 --> 01:54:58,635
passed away. And so.

3000
01:54:58,635 --> 01:55:00,700
>> That's fine.

3001
01:55:00,700 --> 01:55:01,438
>> And the song.

3002
01:55:01,438 --> 01:55:04,438
>> Can you sing something? No,

3003
01:55:04,708 --> 01:55:07,511
I'm. Yeah. Can you sing 9 to 5?

3004
01:55:07,511 --> 01:55:09,120
>> It's it's either you or

3005
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:11,120
Vince Nowicki.

3006
01:55:11,181 --> 01:55:12,916
>> Any other time I would, but

3007
01:55:12,916 --> 01:55:14,751
because it's more of a somber

3008
01:55:14,751 --> 01:55:17,751
moment. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't

3009
01:55:20,190 --> 01:55:21,591
do a 9 to 5. Catch me after the

3010
01:55:21,591 --> 01:55:24,528
6:00 thing. I think my voice

3011
01:55:24,528 --> 01:55:27,363
will be better and I can do the.

3012
01:55:27,363 --> 01:55:28,465
I'll do one stanza of the I'll

3013
01:55:28,465 --> 01:55:29,867
Always Love You because

3014
01:55:29,867 --> 01:55:32,369
actually she sung that before

3015
01:55:32,369 --> 01:55:35,969
Whitney Houston, and she did a

3016
01:55:37,107 --> 01:55:38,542
wonderful job of it. And so

3017
01:55:38,542 --> 01:55:41,770
yeah, but, you know, nine

3018
01:55:41,770 --> 01:55:42,946
working 9 to 5, her work is

3019
01:55:42,946 --> 01:55:45,480
done. She's, she's received her

3020
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:46,784
wings. And we feel bad about

3021
01:55:46,784 --> 01:55:48,719
saying that I'll be in the

3022
01:55:48,719 --> 01:55:50,870
newspaper, you know. Ren\

3023
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:51,856
flowers is singing, working 9

3024
01:55:51,856 --> 01:55:53,323
to 5 for Doctor Park. Passing

3025
01:55:53,323 --> 01:55:53,690
away. Y'all trying to mess with

3026
01:55:53,690 --> 01:55:54,458
me?

3027
01:55:54,458 --> 01:55:55,892
>> No, we're not.

3028
01:55:55,892 --> 01:55:56,559
>> So before we adjourn.

3029
01:55:56,559 --> 01:55:57,261
>> Tonight, that.

3030
01:55:57,261 --> 01:55:59,620
>> a little snippet?

3031
01:55:59,620 --> 01:55:59,863
>> Yeah, just a little snippet.

3032
01:55:59,863 --> 01:56:01,863
Thank you, Commissioner.

3033
01:56:02,265 --> 01:56:03,434
>> Peters, for that. And like

3034
01:56:03,434 --> 01:56:04,835
Commissioner Scott, I had a

3035
01:56:04,835 --> 01:56:07,700
chance to meet Congressman

3036
01:56:07,700 --> 01:56:08,471
Lucas or Luna's team here at

3037
01:56:08,471 --> 01:56:10,441
the courthouse. So it was kind

3038
01:56:10,441 --> 01:56:12,375
of nice. And she was on her way

3039
01:56:12,375 --> 01:56:12,910
down. She says, we got to get

3040
01:56:12,910 --> 01:56:14,411
going because Commissioner

3041
01:56:14,411 --> 01:56:15,712
Scott's waiting for us. So I

3042
01:56:15,712 --> 01:56:17,614
said, okay, excuse me. So and

3043
01:56:17,614 --> 01:56:19,450
the last thing I would just say,

3044
01:56:19,450 --> 01:56:20,651
and it's just just a brief

3045
01:56:20,651 --> 01:56:21,717
comment. I wanted to take the

3046
01:56:21,717 --> 01:56:23,554
opportunity. I don't normally

3047
01:56:23,554 --> 01:56:24,988
do this political stuff at the

3048
01:56:24,988 --> 01:56:27,491
dais, but just thank the

3049
01:56:27,491 --> 01:56:29,725
residents of of North County

3050
01:56:29,725 --> 01:56:32,620
for Reelecting Reelecting me,

3051
01:56:32,620 --> 01:56:33,263
it was you know, it's always

3052
01:56:33,263 --> 01:56:34,498
humble regardless. It's always

3053
01:56:34,498 --> 01:56:36,633
nerve wracking. When you look

3054
01:56:36,633 --> 01:56:37,768
at seven, it's always. 7072 I

3055
01:56:37,768 --> 01:56:39,603
tell everybody it's coming,

3056
01:56:39,603 --> 01:56:40,803
it's 707. And you just kind of

3057
01:56:40,803 --> 01:56:44,403
close your eyes and, and hope

3058
01:56:44,441 --> 01:56:45,508
for the best. But I was again,

3059
01:56:45,508 --> 01:56:47,311
honored to be reelected.

3060
01:56:47,311 --> 01:56:48,312
>> So greater.

3061
01:56:48,312 --> 01:56:50,312
>> Percentage than your.

3062
01:56:50,547 --> 01:56:52,547
>> Age to.

3063
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:54,917
>> Yeah, yeah, just slightly.

3064
01:56:54,917 --> 01:56:56,319
But anyway, so I was thank you

3065
01:56:56,319 --> 01:56:57,287
for thank you to the residents,

3066
01:56:57,287 --> 01:56:58,822
I appreciate it. Is there

3067
01:56:58,822 --> 01:57:00,157
anything else before we adjourn?

3068
01:57:00,157 --> 01:57:01,240
>> I have one thing.

3069
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:02,759
>> Go ahead.

3070
01:57:02,759 --> 01:57:04,595
>> Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. One

3071
01:57:04,595 --> 01:57:06,395
thing that I. You mentioned

3072
01:57:06,395 --> 01:57:08,198
dosage, which sparked something

3073
01:57:08,198 --> 01:57:10,701
that I had talked to Barry

3074
01:57:10,701 --> 01:57:13,237
about. And I don't want to put

3075
01:57:13,237 --> 01:57:15,773
any carts ahead of the horse,

3076
01:57:15,773 --> 01:57:17,841
but if I run for chair next

3077
01:57:17,841 --> 01:57:20,841
year and succeed in getting

3078
01:57:22,245 --> 01:57:24,447
four votes to succeed our

3079
01:57:24,447 --> 01:57:26,550
distinguished CHAIRMAN, one of

3080
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:28,285
the things that I would like to

3081
01:57:28,285 --> 01:57:32,485
do, and I talked to Barry about

3082
01:57:33,357 --> 01:57:36,357
this, is Hillsborough has a

3083
01:57:36,993 --> 01:57:38,128
like citizen Doge committee.

3084
01:57:38,128 --> 01:57:41,728
And that's one thing that I

3085
01:57:44,568 --> 01:57:47,400
would like us to do. And my

3086
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:50,400
idea would be for each

3087
01:57:50,306 --> 01:57:52,706
Commissioner to appoint a

3088
01:57:52,809 --> 01:57:55,809
resident in their district to

3089
01:57:56,446 --> 01:57:57,848
serve as somebody on this

3090
01:57:57,848 --> 01:58:00,160
committee. And so there would

3091
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:01,819
be seven members, and then the

3092
01:58:01,819 --> 01:58:04,321
chair would serve as a

3093
01:58:04,321 --> 01:58:06,721
non-voting member each year.

3094
01:58:07,157 --> 01:58:10,157
And then that committee could

3095
01:58:10,793 --> 01:58:13,193
give recommendations to the

3096
01:58:14,498 --> 01:58:16,266
Commission every year on things,

3097
01:58:16,266 --> 01:58:19,866
you know, in the budget that

3098
01:58:20,537 --> 01:58:22,339
they would like to see funded.

3099
01:58:22,339 --> 01:58:25,209
You know, things that they'd

3100
01:58:25,209 --> 01:58:27,100
like to maybe not see funded,

3101
01:58:27,100 --> 01:58:27,878
things to decrease things, to

3102
01:58:27,878 --> 01:58:29,545
increase things like that. And

3103
01:58:29,545 --> 01:58:32,545
I think that doing something

3104
01:58:32,783 --> 01:58:35,619
like that could bring more

3105
01:58:35,619 --> 01:58:38,190
transparency to the residents.

3106
01:58:38,156 --> 01:58:39,990
You know, in our budget process.

3107
01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:42,826
And it would make it a year

3108
01:58:42,826 --> 01:58:45,826
round process if we started

3109
01:58:46,896 --> 01:58:49,990
this in JANUARY and have, you

3110
01:58:49,990 --> 01:58:50,466
know, monthly meetings or, or

3111
01:58:50,466 --> 01:58:52,568
bi monthly meetings or, you

3112
01:58:52,568 --> 01:58:55,439
know, every couple of weeks,

3113
01:58:55,439 --> 01:58:58,439
you know, something like that,

3114
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:00,911
it would give, you know, Chris

3115
01:59:00,911 --> 01:59:02,745
and his team a little bit more

3116
01:59:02,745 --> 01:59:06,583
work, but they don't have a lot

3117
01:59:06,583 --> 01:59:08,751
of stuff going on. But that's

3118
01:59:08,751 --> 01:59:12,723
just a thought that that I had.

3119
01:59:12,723 --> 01:59:16,923
And, and if y'all, you know, if

3120
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:19,195
we were to. To appoint somebody,

3121
01:59:19,195 --> 01:59:20,296
if everybody was to appoint

3122
01:59:20,296 --> 01:59:21,365
somebody to this committee,

3123
01:59:21,365 --> 01:59:22,799
that's something to start

3124
01:59:22,799 --> 01:59:24,670
thinking about. Now.

3125
01:59:24,670 --> 01:59:25,803
>> I think it's a great idea

3126
01:59:25,803 --> 01:59:28,206
whether you're the CHAIRMAN Or

3127
01:59:28,206 --> 01:59:29,639
not. And so we'll see how that

3128
01:59:29,639 --> 01:59:30,374
how that works out.

3129
01:59:30,374 --> 01:59:32,208
>> But yeah.

3130
01:59:32,208 --> 01:59:33,544
>> You could you could try to

3131
01:59:33,544 --> 01:59:34,845
stay on for another year and

3132
01:59:34,845 --> 01:59:36,413
then you can be the CHAIRMAN

3133
01:59:36,413 --> 01:59:38,582
For your 70th birthday.

3134
01:59:38,582 --> 01:59:41,218
>> So but I do, but we did have

3135
01:59:41,218 --> 01:59:42,618
a board of finance, the city of

3136
01:59:42,618 --> 01:59:43,854
Dunedin that was really

3137
01:59:43,854 --> 01:59:45,488
effective. I mean, it was it

3138
01:59:45,488 --> 01:59:46,924
was good. There was a lot of

3139
01:59:46,924 --> 01:59:48,924
pretty fiscally conservative

3140
01:59:49,460 --> 01:59:51,600
people on there that gave their

3141
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:53,397
annual thoughts and but they

3142
01:59:53,397 --> 01:59:55,899
were they met monthly at least,

3143
01:59:55,899 --> 01:59:57,167
and kind of followed the the

3144
01:59:57,167 --> 01:59:59,503
commission, they had like, they

3145
01:59:59,503 --> 02:00:00,804
had that retreat in the

3146
02:00:00,804 --> 02:00:02,473
beginning and kind of followed

3147
02:00:02,473 --> 02:00:04,241
them with the macro look. And

3148
02:00:04,241 --> 02:00:06,110
then as the budget came, they

3149
02:00:06,110 --> 02:00:07,343
got more in the detail. So I

3150
02:00:07,343 --> 02:00:09,245
think it's a great idea. So we

3151
02:00:09,245 --> 02:00:11,148
can look at that. Probably want

3152
02:00:11,148 --> 02:00:13,183
to look at that in OCTOBER so

3153
02:00:13,183 --> 02:00:15,718
that we get it set up in time

3154
02:00:15,718 --> 02:00:16,854
for for JANUARY. Did you have

3155
02:00:16,854 --> 02:00:18,254
something, Commissioner? Sure.

3156
02:00:18,254 --> 02:00:20,900
Oh okay. I thought you maybe.

3157
02:00:20,900 --> 02:00:21,757
>> MR. Chair. Yeah. I'm sorry.

3158
02:00:21,757 --> 02:00:24,270
Mary Murph will kill me if I

3159
02:00:24,270 --> 02:00:26,130
forget this. The sickle Cell

3160
02:00:26,130 --> 02:00:27,231
Foundation, which does some

3161
02:00:27,231 --> 02:00:28,832
phenomenal fundraising to

3162
02:00:28,832 --> 02:00:30,567
support families for children

3163
02:00:30,567 --> 02:00:31,602
and adults who have been

3164
02:00:31,602 --> 02:00:33,370
diagnosed with sickle cell.

3165
02:00:33,370 --> 02:00:35,770
They're having their annual

3166
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:37,673
fundraiser and extravaganza. 54

3167
02:00:37,673 --> 02:00:39,777
years that that chapter has

3168
02:00:39,777 --> 02:00:42,177
been in Pinellas County,

3169
02:00:42,211 --> 02:00:43,781
started by Mary Murph, who both

3170
02:00:43,781 --> 02:00:44,882
of her daughters had sickle

3171
02:00:44,882 --> 02:00:46,816
cell. Terry, who was a

3172
02:00:46,816 --> 02:00:48,118
debutante with me, and we were

3173
02:00:48,118 --> 02:00:49,686
very dear friends. She passed

3174
02:00:49,686 --> 02:00:52,890
away, but her older sister is

3175
02:00:52,890 --> 02:00:53,189
still with us. But she has

3176
02:00:53,189 --> 02:00:55,392
challenges from time to time.

3177
02:00:55,392 --> 02:00:57,960
And so Mary would kill me if I

3178
02:00:57,960 --> 02:00:59,929
did not say, yeah, she. She

3179
02:00:59,929 --> 02:01:02,990
told me and I forgot. And so

3180
02:01:02,990 --> 02:01:03,834
the event is SEPTEMBER 26th.

3181
02:01:03,834 --> 02:01:05,769
I'll say it again in SEPTEMBER,

3182
02:01:05,769 --> 02:01:07,771
but it's SEPTEMBER 26th from 5

3183
02:01:07,771 --> 02:01:09,640
to 830 at the University of

3184
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:11,740
South Florida's activity center.

3185
02:01:11,740 --> 02:01:12,242
So that is the sickle cell.

3186
02:01:12,242 --> 02:01:15,450
Mary, if you're listening or

3187
02:01:15,450 --> 02:01:17,980
looking, I did it. That is the

3188
02:01:17,980 --> 02:01:19,490
sickle cell dinner and musical

3189
02:01:19,490 --> 02:01:21,449
extravaganza. It's always a

3190
02:01:21,451 --> 02:01:23,654
very good event. And then they

3191
02:01:23,654 --> 02:01:25,855
have a person to speak who has

3192
02:01:25,855 --> 02:01:27,258
been diagnosed with sickle cell.

3193
02:01:27,258 --> 02:01:29,580
They have them to speak about

3194
02:01:29,580 --> 02:01:30,727
their journey. And that person

3195
02:01:30,727 --> 02:01:32,629
serves as like the ambassador,

3196
02:01:32,629 --> 02:01:34,464
and they travel all over to

3197
02:01:34,464 --> 02:01:35,899
share that. And as an fyi, I

3198
02:01:35,899 --> 02:01:38,769
did not know this. I had a

3199
02:01:38,769 --> 02:01:40,971
chance to talk with Kathy Woods

3200
02:01:40,971 --> 02:01:43,873
last year, and I found out that

3201
02:01:43,873 --> 02:01:45,676
one of her arms of her

3202
02:01:45,676 --> 02:01:47,844
businesses actually funds the

3203
02:01:47,844 --> 02:01:49,713
research for sickle cell, and

3204
02:01:49,713 --> 02:01:50,814
they were a part of the group

3205
02:01:50,814 --> 02:01:52,682
that funded the research for

3206
02:01:52,682 --> 02:01:53,917
the young man that has been

3207
02:01:53,917 --> 02:01:55,752
cured of sickle cell that was

3208
02:01:55,752 --> 02:01:56,819
up in Chicago. I didn't know

3209
02:01:56,819 --> 02:01:57,854
that until I had my

3210
02:01:57,854 --> 02:01:59,756
conversation with her, and she

3211
02:01:59,756 --> 02:02:01,892
shared with me the work they're

3212
02:02:01,892 --> 02:02:03,627
doing in Dubai regarding sickle

3213
02:02:03,627 --> 02:02:05,128
cell. So just a little fyi,

3214
02:02:05,128 --> 02:02:06,663
something I learned, which I

3215
02:02:06,663 --> 02:02:08,699
did not know, but very excited.

3216
02:02:08,699 --> 02:02:10,134
Thank you so very much for the

3217
02:02:10,134 --> 02:02:12,969
research on it, because now

3218
02:02:12,969 --> 02:02:14,872
that they've found a way to

3219
02:02:14,872 --> 02:02:15,872
provide a potential cure, it's

3220
02:02:15,872 --> 02:02:17,574
still in the research

3221
02:02:17,574 --> 02:02:19,108
development phase, but it will

3222
02:02:19,108 --> 02:02:20,878
be phenomenal once it gets past

3223
02:02:20,878 --> 02:02:21,111
that phase where it can help

3224
02:02:21,111 --> 02:02:22,780
people.

3225
02:02:22,780 --> 02:02:23,800
>> Very nice. Thank you,

3226
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:25,480
Commissioner Flowers. All right,

3227
02:02:26,316 --> 02:02:29,316
last chance. All right. We're

3228
02:18:30,872 --> 02:18:32,274
Welcome back. After our couple

3229
02:18:32,274 --> 02:18:33,742
hour break there, and we are

3230
02:18:33,742 --> 02:18:36,311
going to go straight into

3231
02:18:36,311 --> 02:18:37,578
public hearings and item 29.

3232
02:18:37,578 --> 02:18:40,549
>> Thank you, MR. Chair. Agenda

3233
02:18:40,549 --> 02:18:42,750
item number 29 is case number z

3234
02:18:42,750 --> 02:18:44,119
012604. This is a request by

3235
02:18:44,119 --> 02:18:45,620
Manuel Jones for a zoning

3236
02:18:45,620 --> 02:18:48,223
change from Geo general office

3237
02:18:48,223 --> 02:18:50,250
to r3 single family residential

3238
02:18:50,250 --> 02:18:52,250
on approximately 21 acre,

3239
02:18:53,128 --> 02:18:54,863
located at 1515 Lakeview Road

3240
02:18:54,863 --> 02:18:56,430
in unincorporated Clearwater.

3241
02:18:56,430 --> 02:18:57,331
Since this is a quasi judicial

3242
02:18:57,331 --> 02:18:59,133
hearing, all those individuals

3243
02:18:59,133 --> 02:19:00,769
who plan to speak on this item

3244
02:19:00,769 --> 02:19:01,702
must be sworn in. For those

3245
02:19:01,702 --> 02:19:02,971
wishing to speak, whether

3246
02:19:02,971 --> 02:19:04,172
you're attending in person or

3247
02:19:04,172 --> 02:19:05,807
virtually, if able, please

3248
02:19:05,807 --> 02:19:06,908
raise your right hand. Do you

3249
02:19:06,908 --> 02:19:07,976
swear or affirm testimony

3250
02:19:07,976 --> 02:19:09,511
you're about to give? Is the

3251
02:19:09,511 --> 02:19:10,645
truth the whole truth, and

3252
02:19:10,645 --> 02:19:12,747
nothing but the truth? Signify

3253
02:19:12,747 --> 02:19:14,810
by saying I do. The public

3254
02:19:14,810 --> 02:19:15,917
hearing was properly advertised

3255
02:19:15,917 --> 02:19:16,784
and an affidavit has. A

3256
02:19:16,784 --> 02:19:18,385
publication has been received

3257
02:19:18,385 --> 02:19:19,588
for filing. No correspondence

3258
02:19:19,588 --> 02:19:20,722
has been received by the clerk,

3259
02:19:20,722 --> 02:19:22,523
and the matter is properly

3260
02:19:22,523 --> 02:19:25,259
before the board to be heard.

3261
02:19:25,259 --> 02:19:28,259
>> Thank you, ma'am. Board. Any

3262
02:19:28,865 --> 02:19:30,650
questions? Comments. Action.

3263
02:19:30,650 --> 02:19:32,465
Motion by Commissioner Peters

3264
02:19:32,801 --> 02:19:35,704
for approval. Second. Second by

3265
02:19:35,704 --> 02:19:37,506
Commissioner Flowers. Again.

3266
02:19:37,506 --> 02:19:39,240
Questions? Comments. See.

3267
02:19:39,240 --> 02:19:41,943
Nobody to comment from the

3268
02:19:41,943 --> 02:19:44,943
public. Bring up the voting

3269
02:19:47,882 --> 02:19:50,282
card, please. Motion carries

3270
02:19:51,919 --> 02:19:53,355
unanimously. Item 30.

3271
02:19:53,355 --> 02:19:54,922
>> Agenda item number 30 is a

3272
02:19:54,922 --> 02:19:57,324
petition of Charles and Rita

3273
02:19:57,324 --> 02:19:58,859
King to vacate a portion of a

3274
02:19:58,859 --> 02:20:01,128
33 foot wide right of way known

3275
02:20:01,128 --> 02:20:03,640
as Portsmouth Road, lying east

3276
02:20:03,640 --> 02:20:04,933
of lots 41 through 43 Gulf

3277
02:20:04,933 --> 02:20:07,333
Breeze Estates. Plat. Book 27,

3278
02:20:07,736 --> 02:20:09,571
page 57. Line in section 30

3279
02:20:09,571 --> 02:20:10,939
2916 Pinellas County, Florida.

3280
02:20:10,939 --> 02:20:12,474
The public hearing is properly

3281
02:20:12,474 --> 02:20:13,475
advertised and an affidavit of

3282
02:20:13,475 --> 02:20:15,243
publication has been received

3283
02:20:15,243 --> 02:20:16,210
for filing. No correspondence

3284
02:20:16,210 --> 02:20:17,978
has been received by the clerk

3285
02:20:17,978 --> 02:20:18,979
and the matters before the

3286
02:20:18,979 --> 02:20:21,379
board to be heard.

3287
02:20:21,416 --> 02:20:23,251
>> Thank you. And Lauren

3288
02:20:23,251 --> 02:20:25,719
Rubinstein is here if she is

3289
02:20:25,719 --> 02:20:28,719
needed for any questions. What

3290
02:20:28,890 --> 02:20:30,225
is the will of the board?

3291
02:20:30,225 --> 02:20:32,625
Motion by Commissioner Peters,

3292
02:20:32,928 --> 02:20:35,328
second by Commissioner Scott.

3293
02:20:35,464 --> 02:20:36,565
Final questions? Comments?

3294
02:20:36,565 --> 02:20:39,565
Bring up the voting card,

3295
02:20:45,907 --> 02:20:48,307
please. Motion carries 6 to 1.

3296
02:20:48,810 --> 02:20:50,545
Item 31, please.

3297
02:20:50,545 --> 02:20:53,448
>> Agenda item number 31 is a

3298
02:20:53,448 --> 02:20:55,282
petition of ovss gateway llc to

3299
02:20:55,282 --> 02:20:56,750
vacate a portion of Poultry

3300
02:20:56,750 --> 02:20:59,150
Boulevard Road, 86th Avenue,

3301
02:20:59,187 --> 02:21:00,589
North County Road number 139

3302
02:21:00,589 --> 02:21:01,756
declared to be a public road in

3303
02:21:01,756 --> 02:21:04,240
Board of County Commissioners.

3304
02:21:04,240 --> 02:21:06,424
Minutes. Book seven, page 23.

3305
02:21:06,761 --> 02:21:08,930
Filed on APRIL 17th, 1928.

3306
02:21:08,930 --> 02:21:10,732
Lying along the south 33ft of

3307
02:21:10,732 --> 02:21:12,732
4100 Gateway Central Boulevard,

3308
02:21:13,234 --> 02:21:15,690
Gateway Center Business Park,

3309
02:21:15,690 --> 02:21:17,690
97, pages one through 13,

3310
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:20,442
section 2230 16 Pinellas County,

3311
02:21:20,442 --> 02:21:21,576
Florida. The public hearing was

3312
02:21:21,576 --> 02:21:22,644
properly advertised in an

3313
02:21:22,644 --> 02:21:24,813
affidavit of publication has

3314
02:21:24,813 --> 02:21:25,313
been received for filing. No

3315
02:21:25,313 --> 02:21:26,815
correspondence has been

3316
02:21:26,815 --> 02:21:27,816
received by the clerk and

3317
02:21:27,816 --> 02:21:28,817
matters properly before the

3318
02:21:28,817 --> 02:21:30,151
board to be heard.

3319
02:21:30,151 --> 02:21:33,151
>> Thank you. What's the will

3320
02:21:33,387 --> 02:21:34,856
of the board, please? Motion by

3321
02:21:34,856 --> 02:21:36,625
Commissioner Peters, second by

3322
02:21:36,625 --> 02:21:38,625
Commissioner Scott. Any

3323
02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:40,280
questions? Comments? Okay.

3324
02:21:40,280 --> 02:21:43,280
Bring up the voting card,

3325
02:21:44,198 --> 02:21:46,198
please. Motion carries

3326
02:21:47,102 --> 02:21:48,903
unanimously. Item 32.

3327
02:21:48,903 --> 02:21:50,405
>> Agenda item number 32 is a

3328
02:21:50,405 --> 02:21:52,507
petition of Robert and Kathleen

3329
02:21:52,507 --> 02:21:54,775
Warren to vacate a northerly

3330
02:21:54,775 --> 02:21:56,110
35ft of the easterly, 17ft of

3331
02:21:56,110 --> 02:21:58,450
that right of way, East Lake

3332
02:21:58,450 --> 02:21:59,714
Drive, 105 one East Lake Drive,

3333
02:21:59,714 --> 02:22:01,283
as recorded in the Official

3334
02:22:01,283 --> 02:22:04,283
Records book five six, five

3335
02:22:04,686 --> 02:22:05,821
four. Page 1434 of the public

3336
02:22:05,821 --> 02:22:08,221
records of Pinellas County,

3337
02:22:09,391 --> 02:22:10,927
Florida, lying in section 42716

3338
02:22:10,927 --> 02:22:12,327
Pinellas County, Florida. The

3339
02:22:12,327 --> 02:22:13,428
public hearing was properly

3340
02:22:13,428 --> 02:22:14,496
advertised and an affidavit of

3341
02:22:14,496 --> 02:22:16,565
publication has been received

3342
02:22:16,565 --> 02:22:17,999
for filing. No correspondence

3343
02:22:17,999 --> 02:22:19,167
has been received by the clerk

3344
02:22:19,167 --> 02:22:20,236
in the matter is properly

3345
02:22:20,236 --> 02:22:22,337
before the board to be heard.

3346
02:22:22,337 --> 02:22:24,206
>> Thank you. MISS Cindy is

3347
02:22:24,206 --> 02:22:27,800
here. If you have any questions

3348
02:22:27,800 --> 02:22:28,477
of the applicant. And what is

3349
02:22:28,477 --> 02:22:30,678
the. Well, the board.

3350
02:22:30,678 --> 02:22:32,678
Commissioner Peters motion.

3351
02:22:33,547 --> 02:22:35,820
Commissioner Scott the second

3352
02:22:35,820 --> 02:22:37,482
comments. Questions. Bring up

3353
02:22:40,689 --> 02:22:43,592
the voting card, please. Motion

3354
02:22:43,592 --> 02:22:45,260
carries unanimously on to 33.

3355
02:22:45,260 --> 02:22:46,894
>> Agenda item number 33 is a

3356
02:22:46,894 --> 02:22:48,894
proposed ordinance amending

3357
02:22:49,364 --> 02:22:50,866
section 11832 of the Pinellas

3358
02:22:50,866 --> 02:22:52,233
County Code relating to the

3359
02:22:52,233 --> 02:22:53,335
Tourist Development Plan. The

3360
02:22:53,335 --> 02:22:54,736
public hearing was properly

3361
02:22:54,736 --> 02:22:55,837
advertised and an affidavit of

3362
02:22:55,837 --> 02:22:57,639
publication has been received

3363
02:22:57,639 --> 02:22:58,973
for filing. No correspondence

3364
02:22:58,973 --> 02:23:00,142
has been received by the clerk

3365
02:23:00,142 --> 02:23:01,943
and the matter is properly

3366
02:23:01,943 --> 02:23:03,440
before the board to be heard.

3367
02:23:03,440 --> 02:23:04,211
>> Commissioners, if I can

3368
02:23:04,211 --> 02:23:07,211
explain this is a companion

3369
02:23:07,414 --> 02:23:09,170
item to item 34, and so this

3370
02:23:09,170 --> 02:23:11,219
would amend the plan to allow

3371
02:23:11,219 --> 02:23:13,221
for that. If vote no, then the

3372
02:23:13,221 --> 02:23:16,240
answer of what you can do on 34

3373
02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:18,590
is fixed at the $3 million. So

3374
02:23:18,590 --> 02:23:20,459
this just authorizes you

3375
02:23:23,165 --> 02:23:23,899
flexibility on your next item.

3376
02:23:23,899 --> 02:23:25,000
>> Okay.

3377
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:26,100
>> Move. Approval.

3378
02:23:26,100 --> 02:23:28,270
>> Motion by Commissioner Scott,

3379
02:23:28,270 --> 02:23:30,670
second by Commissioner Latvala.

3380
02:23:30,705 --> 02:23:33,105
Any questions? Comments. Voting

3381
02:23:38,680 --> 02:23:41,249
card please. One more motion

3382
02:23:41,249 --> 02:23:43,180
carries unanimously. Item 34.

3383
02:23:43,180 --> 02:23:45,187
>> Agenda item number 34 is the

3384
02:23:45,187 --> 02:23:46,321
fiscal year 2027 elite event

3385
02:23:46,321 --> 02:23:48,550
funding recommendations from

3386
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:49,558
the Tourist Development Council.

3387
02:23:49,558 --> 02:23:50,692
This is a regular agenda item

3388
02:23:50,692 --> 02:23:53,692
that is companion to agenda

3389
02:23:53,795 --> 02:23:55,664
item number 33.

3390
02:23:55,664 --> 02:23:57,431
>> Will the board motion by

3391
02:23:57,431 --> 02:23:59,431
Commissioner Scott.

3392
02:23:59,533 --> 02:24:00,701
>> So can I just make a comment?

3393
02:24:00,701 --> 02:24:01,703
>> Sure.

3394
02:24:01,703 --> 02:24:03,703
>> Can I get.

3395
02:24:03,704 --> 02:24:03,904
>> a motion to put it on the

3396
02:24:03,904 --> 02:24:05,372
table?

3397
02:24:05,372 --> 02:24:07,142
>> Come on up.

3398
02:24:07,142 --> 02:24:07,475
>> No motion for a second.

3399
02:24:07,475 --> 02:24:09,100
>> Second.

3400
02:24:09,100 --> 02:24:09,244
>> Okay. Second by Commissioner

3401
02:24:09,244 --> 02:24:11,244
Nowicki.

3402
02:24:11,246 --> 02:24:12,480
>> I was going to do that too.

3403
02:24:12,480 --> 02:24:14,248
>> But go ahead, Commissioner.

3404
02:24:14,248 --> 02:24:16,852
>> You know, I talked to Brian,

3405
02:24:16,852 --> 02:24:20,155
so I understand it. But the

3406
02:24:20,155 --> 02:24:22,656
number 38 to 44 and I know some

3407
02:24:22,656 --> 02:24:26,256
of these are, you know, close

3408
02:24:26,928 --> 02:24:28,280
to some of our hearts, but I

3409
02:24:28,280 --> 02:24:29,530
attend that kite festival every

3410
02:24:29,530 --> 02:24:30,831
year in Treasure Island. And,

3411
02:24:30,831 --> 02:24:32,533
and it turns out every year

3412
02:24:32,533 --> 02:24:33,734
they always pick a weekend with

3413
02:24:33,734 --> 02:24:35,437
bad weather. So they don't

3414
02:24:35,437 --> 02:24:37,370
really get the return. And I

3415
02:24:37,370 --> 02:24:38,440
guess what I'm saying is, I

3416
02:24:38,440 --> 02:24:39,608
know if it doesn't do well,

3417
02:24:39,608 --> 02:24:41,443
then next year you've got to,

3418
02:24:41,443 --> 02:24:42,676
you know, you've got the data,

3419
02:24:42,676 --> 02:24:43,677
I get where you're coming from.

3420
02:24:43,677 --> 02:24:45,279
I understand where you're

3421
02:24:45,279 --> 02:24:46,615
coming from. I understand we

3422
02:24:46,615 --> 02:24:47,682
didn't increase the funding for

3423
02:24:47,682 --> 02:24:48,916
many, many, many, many, many

3424
02:24:48,916 --> 02:24:51,486
years. So I understand where

3425
02:24:51,486 --> 02:24:53,554
you're coming from on that. But

3426
02:24:53,554 --> 02:24:56,892
if anybody else had issues with

3427
02:24:56,892 --> 02:24:58,460
those 38 to 44, I think it's

3428
02:24:58,460 --> 02:24:59,661
worth a conversation. But if

3429
02:24:59,661 --> 02:25:01,530
you all are good with that,

3430
02:25:01,530 --> 02:25:02,300
then I'm going to end this

3431
02:25:02,300 --> 02:25:03,330
conversation right here.

3432
02:25:03,330 --> 02:25:04,533
>> Oh, good.

3433
02:25:04,533 --> 02:25:06,600
>> Because I can tell you the

3434
02:25:06,600 --> 02:25:07,701
savior, Saint Pete, I don't

3435
02:25:07,701 --> 02:25:09,471
know that that's bringing in

3436
02:25:09,471 --> 02:25:10,605
bed tax. I don't know that

3437
02:25:10,605 --> 02:25:13,740
that's marketing what we need

3438
02:25:13,740 --> 02:25:14,776
to do. The kite festival. You

3439
02:25:14,776 --> 02:25:16,578
know, they get a lot of vendors,

3440
02:25:16,578 --> 02:25:17,946
but unfortunately the weather

3441
02:25:17,946 --> 02:25:20,581
is always bad and they get

3442
02:25:20,581 --> 02:25:22,451
maybe one. Good afternoon. I

3443
02:25:22,451 --> 02:25:24,486
have not been to the Blues

3444
02:25:24,486 --> 02:25:26,540
Festival, the spring King of

3445
02:25:26,540 --> 02:25:28,156
the beach. The. The main king

3446
02:25:28,156 --> 02:25:29,324
of the beach is always huge.

3447
02:25:29,324 --> 02:25:31,760
Spring King. King of the beach

3448
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:33,528
is always lackluster. And is it

3449
02:25:33,528 --> 02:25:34,663
merely meeting the goal that

3450
02:25:34,663 --> 02:25:35,664
there's you know, they have

3451
02:25:35,664 --> 02:25:37,866
parameters. They have got to

3452
02:25:37,866 --> 02:25:40,368
bring in bed nights and you got

3453
02:25:40,368 --> 02:25:41,802
to. And and are we just doing

3454
02:25:41,802 --> 02:25:43,204
events for the sake of doing

3455
02:25:43,204 --> 02:25:45,373
events because we're nice, or

3456
02:25:45,373 --> 02:25:48,276
are we going to stick to the

3457
02:25:48,276 --> 02:25:50,780
rules we created that have data

3458
02:25:50,780 --> 02:25:51,479
metrics? And so that's why I'm

3459
02:25:51,479 --> 02:25:53,347
bringing it up. If you all are

3460
02:25:53,347 --> 02:25:55,450
fine with it, I'm good because

3461
02:25:55,450 --> 02:25:56,650
next year my intuition tells me

3462
02:25:56,650 --> 02:26:00,588
these are going to fall by the

3463
02:26:00,588 --> 02:26:02,357
wayside anyways. So, you know,

3464
02:26:02,357 --> 02:26:05,192
we can give them a year to do

3465
02:26:05,192 --> 02:26:06,328
it. But I and Brian knows I was

3466
02:26:06,328 --> 02:26:06,528
going to say this. We talked

3467
02:26:06,528 --> 02:26:08,330
about.

3468
02:26:08,330 --> 02:26:09,464
>> Yeah. And just to address

3469
02:26:09,464 --> 02:26:11,398
your point, I think you bring

3470
02:26:11,398 --> 02:26:13,301
up a good point. And we finally

3471
02:26:13,301 --> 02:26:14,369
have data now and we use placer

3472
02:26:14,369 --> 02:26:16,170
to collect data. This is the

3473
02:26:16,170 --> 02:26:18,173
first time we implemented that

3474
02:26:18,173 --> 02:26:19,607
data capture resource. And what

3475
02:26:19,607 --> 02:26:22,477
we found is there were many

3476
02:26:22,477 --> 02:26:25,477
events that were not producing

3477
02:26:25,714 --> 02:26:26,580
the attendees and out of town

3478
02:26:26,580 --> 02:26:28,216
attendees that we had thought

3479
02:26:28,216 --> 02:26:29,483
in the past. And so those,

3480
02:26:29,483 --> 02:26:31,787
those particular events that

3481
02:26:31,787 --> 02:26:33,856
you see, they fall within that

3482
02:26:33,856 --> 02:26:35,890
50% threshold. And part of the

3483
02:26:35,890 --> 02:26:36,558
changes to the guidelines last

3484
02:26:36,558 --> 02:26:37,358
year that were approved,

3485
02:26:37,358 --> 02:26:40,196
implemented for the first time

3486
02:26:40,196 --> 02:26:42,764
this year for one time only.

3487
02:26:42,764 --> 02:26:45,167
Any event couldn't receive less

3488
02:26:45,167 --> 02:26:47,680
than 50% of what they received

3489
02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:49,806
last year. So it's a one time

3490
02:26:49,806 --> 02:26:51,306
deal and it gives them one year.

3491
02:26:51,306 --> 02:26:52,440
So this year they're getting

3492
02:26:52,440 --> 02:26:54,176
50% of what they received in

3493
02:26:54,176 --> 02:26:55,376
the past. If their performance

3494
02:26:55,376 --> 02:26:56,744
doesn't come up, if they're

3495
02:26:56,744 --> 02:26:58,313
just equal to what they did

3496
02:26:58,313 --> 02:26:59,580
last year, they will not be

3497
02:26:59,580 --> 02:27:02,117
part of the program next year.

3498
02:27:02,117 --> 02:27:03,518
>> It was a way to transition

3499
02:27:03,518 --> 02:27:04,752
transition them for one year.

3500
02:27:04,752 --> 02:27:06,721
Correct. Give them a chance.

3501
02:27:06,721 --> 02:27:07,889
>> And so if if they do bring

3502
02:27:07,889 --> 02:27:09,291
their numbers up, they now know

3503
02:27:09,291 --> 02:27:10,859
they're almost on notice.

3504
02:27:10,859 --> 02:27:12,494
Here's what you need to do to

3505
02:27:12,494 --> 02:27:13,328
boost your your event.

3506
02:27:13,328 --> 02:27:14,328
Otherwise next year you're at

3507
02:27:14,328 --> 02:27:16,497
risk of falling out.

3508
02:27:16,497 --> 02:27:17,666
>> Yeah. And I don't disagree

3509
02:27:17,666 --> 02:27:19,301
that when people are in town

3510
02:27:19,301 --> 02:27:21,503
and these events are going on,

3511
02:27:21,503 --> 02:27:23,305
it helps. It enhances their

3512
02:27:23,305 --> 02:27:24,806
experience while they're here

3513
02:27:24,806 --> 02:27:27,420
because they get to go to these

3514
02:27:27,420 --> 02:27:28,276
events. But I'm just, I just

3515
02:27:28,276 --> 02:27:30,780
don't want to be funding events

3516
02:27:30,780 --> 02:27:31,913
for the sake of funding events

3517
02:27:31,913 --> 02:27:33,480
unless there is. And so like I

3518
02:27:33,480 --> 02:27:35,583
said, I'm good with letting

3519
02:27:35,583 --> 02:27:37,285
this go, but we've kind of set

3520
02:27:37,285 --> 02:27:38,320
these rules and then then

3521
02:27:38,320 --> 02:27:40,122
didn't follow the rules. And

3522
02:27:40,122 --> 02:27:41,690
then we set the rules again.

3523
02:27:41,690 --> 02:27:42,990
And, and we're kind of not

3524
02:27:42,990 --> 02:27:44,192
setting the rules. We're going

3525
02:27:44,192 --> 02:27:45,993
to give them a transition.

3526
02:27:45,993 --> 02:27:46,361
We've done this since I got on

3527
02:27:46,361 --> 02:27:47,996
this commission.

3528
02:27:47,996 --> 02:27:49,297
>> So that's why they changed

3529
02:27:49,297 --> 02:27:51,660
the way they collect data.

3530
02:27:51,660 --> 02:27:52,267
>> And, and I get that. I get

3531
02:27:52,267 --> 02:27:54,200
that we weren't collecting data

3532
02:27:54,200 --> 02:27:56,371
before I get that. But we've

3533
02:27:56,371 --> 02:27:57,905
done this cycle. I can't even

3534
02:27:57,905 --> 02:27:59,374
tell you how many times. And so

3535
02:27:59,374 --> 02:28:00,542
I'm just bringing it up.

3536
02:28:00,542 --> 02:28:02,477
Whatever the will of the board

3537
02:28:02,477 --> 02:28:03,645
is, I'm going to be with you,

3538
02:28:03,645 --> 02:28:05,514
but I'm just bringing it up

3539
02:28:05,514 --> 02:28:06,580
because we have we have talked

3540
02:28:06,580 --> 02:28:07,649
about this, I think every

3541
02:28:07,649 --> 02:28:09,784
single year and every single

3542
02:28:09,784 --> 02:28:10,117
year, we don't make a solid

3543
02:28:10,117 --> 02:28:11,686
decision.

3544
02:28:11,686 --> 02:28:13,388
>> Well, I'm really I'm happy

3545
02:28:13,388 --> 02:28:16,191
that we've changed the way we

3546
02:28:16,191 --> 02:28:19,791
try to make allow events to

3547
02:28:19,861 --> 02:28:22,197
qualify metric driven data. So

3548
02:28:22,197 --> 02:28:23,965
I'm I'm much happier. It caught

3549
02:28:23,965 --> 02:28:26,301
a few people probably napping a

3550
02:28:26,301 --> 02:28:27,769
little bit with our new our new

3551
02:28:27,769 --> 02:28:30,380
criteria. So that was the

3552
02:28:30,380 --> 02:28:32,730
rationale for that one group

3553
02:28:32,730 --> 02:28:35,730
who didn't qualify, but they

3554
02:28:36,210 --> 02:28:36,678
get 50% for one time. MR. Scott,

3555
02:28:36,678 --> 02:28:37,778
did you.

3556
02:28:37,778 --> 02:28:38,913
>> Have something? Thank you,

3557
02:28:38,913 --> 02:28:40,150
MR. CHAIRMAN. So our

3558
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:41,450
methodology in the past hasn't

3559
02:28:41,450 --> 02:28:43,952
always been perfect, but we

3560
02:28:43,952 --> 02:28:44,952
continue to refine it as new

3561
02:28:44,952 --> 02:28:46,521
technology comes online and

3562
02:28:46,521 --> 02:28:48,989
becomes available and as we

3563
02:28:48,989 --> 02:28:51,526
learn more. So I'm fine with

3564
02:28:51,526 --> 02:28:53,395
with recommendations here. And

3565
02:28:53,395 --> 02:28:54,429
I'm confident in the way that

3566
02:28:54,429 --> 02:28:55,497
we're collecting data going

3567
02:28:55,497 --> 02:28:56,597
forward. And I think we're

3568
02:28:56,597 --> 02:28:58,299
going to have really good

3569
02:28:58,299 --> 02:28:58,667
metrics to evaluate this next

3570
02:28:58,667 --> 02:29:00,667
year with.

3571
02:29:03,104 --> 02:29:04,840
>> So anything else? Okay. So

3572
02:29:04,840 --> 02:29:07,750
we did get a motion in a second.

3573
02:29:07,750 --> 02:29:08,410
Did you get that? Okay. Could

3574
02:29:08,410 --> 02:29:12,100
you bring up the voting card,

3575
02:29:19,321 --> 02:29:21,220
please? One more. One more. Oh,

3576
02:29:21,220 --> 02:29:23,157
there we go. Motion carries

3577
02:29:23,157 --> 02:29:25,260
unanimously. Item 35.

3578
02:29:25,260 --> 02:29:26,428
>> Agenda item number 35 is an

3579
02:29:26,428 --> 02:29:27,863
amendment by resolution

3580
02:29:27,863 --> 02:29:30,300
supplementing the fiscal year

3581
02:29:30,300 --> 02:29:31,500
2026 budget, realigning

3582
02:29:31,500 --> 02:29:32,534
reserves and recognizing

3583
02:29:32,534 --> 02:29:34,340
unanticipated revenue for

3584
02:29:34,340 --> 02:29:35,470
requesting departments. The

3585
02:29:35,470 --> 02:29:36,906
public hearing was properly

3586
02:29:36,906 --> 02:29:37,906
advertised, and an affidavit of

3587
02:29:37,906 --> 02:29:39,708
publication has been received

3588
02:29:39,708 --> 02:29:40,876
for filing. No correspondence

3589
02:29:40,876 --> 02:29:42,443
has been received by the clerk,

3590
02:29:42,443 --> 02:29:43,611
and the matter is properly

3591
02:29:43,611 --> 02:29:47,211
before the board to be heard.

3592
02:29:47,315 --> 02:29:49,651
>> Thank you. Will the board.

3593
02:29:49,651 --> 02:29:51,620
I'm sorry, would you say motion

3594
02:29:51,620 --> 02:29:53,788
by Commissioner Peters? Second.

3595
02:29:53,788 --> 02:29:55,289
Second by Commissioner Scott.

3596
02:29:55,289 --> 02:29:57,689
Questions? Comments? Bring up

3597
02:30:01,729 --> 02:30:02,832
the voting card, please. One

3598
02:30:02,832 --> 02:30:04,966
more. There we go. Motion

3599
02:30:04,966 --> 02:30:07,802
carries unanimously and we are

3600
02:30:07,802 --> 02:30:09,970
almost adjourned. We have one

3601
02:30:09,970 --> 02:30:11,906
little singing thing that was

3602
02:30:11,906 --> 02:30:13,410
promised.

3603
02:30:13,410 --> 02:30:15,544
>> I thought maybe he forgot

3604
02:30:15,544 --> 02:30:17,412
about it. I'm not sure if I'm

3605
02:30:17,412 --> 02:30:18,579
going to be able to sing it.

3606
02:30:18,579 --> 02:30:19,548
Are you? Y'all have heard me

3607
02:30:19,548 --> 02:30:21,416
cough and stuff.

3608
02:30:21,416 --> 02:30:21,750
>> Are you okay? Well, if you

3609
02:30:21,750 --> 02:30:22,717
can't. If you.

3610
02:30:22,717 --> 02:30:24,717
>> No, I'm serious.

3611
02:30:25,860 --> 02:30:26,688
>> Not you don't. Yeah, I

3612
02:30:26,688 --> 02:30:27,823
that's what I would be doing.

3613
02:30:27,823 --> 02:30:29,590
>> No, I'm serious though,

3614
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:31,359
because, you know, I don't you

3615
02:30:31,359 --> 02:30:32,928
know, I don't mind. Well let me

3616
02:30:32,928 --> 02:30:34,290
sing this little, little piece

3617
02:30:34,290 --> 02:30:35,196
and then that'll be it and

3618
02:30:35,196 --> 02:30:36,665
we'll be gone. All right.

3619
02:30:36,665 --> 02:30:38,665
>> What little piece?

3620
02:30:42,904 --> 02:30:46,504
>> No. I'm serious. I hope life

3621
02:30:48,510 --> 02:30:52,710
treats you kind. And I hope you

3622
02:30:54,616 --> 02:30:57,616
have all you've dreamed of.

3623
02:30:59,553 --> 02:31:02,223
There you go. Wow. Yay! Thank

3624
02:31:02,223 --> 02:31:04,223
you. No, no.

3625
02:31:04,659 --> 02:31:06,228
>> I know you like to sing, so.

3626
02:31:06,228 --> 02:31:07,628
But thank you. That was

3627
02:31:07,628 --> 02:31:09,397
wonderful. In honor of Dolly

3628
02:31:09,397 --> 02:31:10,699
Parton today. So thank you.

3629
02:31:10,699 --> 02:31:13,400
>> Dolly's team calls me, I

3630
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:14,736
will.

3631
02:31:14,736 --> 02:31:16,604
>> All right. Anything else?

3632
02:31:16,604 --> 02:31:20,804
For the good of the order, we

3633
02:31:33,688 --> 02:31:36,880
are adjourned. Good night.