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Before we begin, I'd like to

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thank Corporal Thornton, Deputy

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Winnick and Deputy Manley from

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the sheriff's office, and we're

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going to start with a budget

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discussion. Barry, you are

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recognized.

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>> Good morning, commissioners.

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So today we're going to have

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our first workshop on budget,

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really talking about different

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options and ideas. And there's

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been, you know, a few changes

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since we last talked. First,

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Commissioner Nowicki and

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Commissioner Shearer offered

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ideas in terms of ways to

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adjust the budget. And the main

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piece really focused around the

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general fund. And what can we

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do to reduce down the general

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fund portion of our budget to

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provide for property tax rate

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reduction? That's really been

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the focus of the discussions.

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From the comments that I've

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seen, I've also talked

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individually with each of you

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and listen to your thoughts and

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ideas. And so we have some want

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some updated numbers that we've

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kind of fresh off the press are

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able to incorporate within the

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budget. And two, we have a few

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of the budget ideas that we

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also think that we can

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incorporate that are reasonable

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in, in this discussion. So

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first, staff's going to be

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passing out a packet here. And

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as they get those out, then

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I'll wait till they they

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deliver those. And so we can

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kind of use that as a guide.

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We're missing a couple

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commissioners. So. And Chris is

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going to join me up here so he

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can answer any questions. The

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other thing I want to

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acknowledge is you could you

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may have questions about

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anything throughout county

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government. I've asked all of

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our department heads to be here

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this morning. So if there's

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questions that Chris or I can't

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answer, they're here and

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available to, to get into

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whatever type of detail you

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want. Right. And so, so on your

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packet, what you'll see is some

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options for additional

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reductions that were not

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proposed. As part of my budget

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presentation just a month ago

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in the if you look up in the

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yellow area, the first column

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there is it says public Works

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changes in allocation. So we

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went back and looked within our

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public works area, and we

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believe that we can accommodate

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an additional $500,000 of

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reductions in the general fund

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impact within the Public Works

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area. The second column is the

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tax collector. So the tax

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collector did his distributions

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and increased those

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distributions by $584,000. We

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believe that's an ongoing

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savings. So that's an

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additional amount that we'll be

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able to see every year. So it

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can be recognized revenue that

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again can help lessen the

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impact on our property tax. So

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we appreciate the tax collector

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looking at his budget and

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trying to reduce cost increase

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revenue. And that's the

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distribution that he provides.

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Back to the general fund. The

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third column is a Medicaid

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payment. So when we have to

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guess what the state is going

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to require as part of our

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Medicaid distribution, that's

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one of those unfunded mandates

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that that we talked about in

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the budget presentation. Well,

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we got the final Medicaid

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numbers, and it's $975,000 less

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than what what we had projected.

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So again, that's another change

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that is kind of hot off the

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press in terms of the

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discussions here today. Are the

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Medicaid. So the Medicaid we

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get we get a bill from the

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state each year. That's part of

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our unfunded mandates. We have

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to pay that well. We're

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projecting out what that will

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cost will be until we get the

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final letter from the state. We

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received that this past week,

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and it is $975,000 less than

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what we had put in the budget,

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what we had projected in the

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budget. So it's still a lot of

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money. It's still another

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unfunded mandate, but it's just

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$975,000 less than what we

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thought it would be. The the

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fourth column here is the

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Tarpon Department of Health,

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and Karen and Doctor Choe have

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looked at the this health

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center that we've had up there

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for a long time, they actually

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have reduced that a couple of

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years ago from a five day a

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week operation to a three day a

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week operation. And they're

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still not seeing the numbers

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that justify the continuation

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of, of that clinic. And so

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they're making a further

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recommendation is that we close

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the clinic. If I'm I'm looking

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back to Karen to make sure I'm

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saying this correctly. And that,

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again, will save general fund

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$400,000.

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>> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. You

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recognized.

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>> So what does that mean for.

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reduction or not an increase in

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patient service requests.

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What's what are the numbers up

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there?

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>> Well, that that would

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absolutely be a Karen issue. In

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essence, they're same,

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obviously same patients, but

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they're but they're also

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waiting around even at a

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reduced hours of operation to

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where people do have choices,

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they can come, they have the

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Clearwater clinic. But I'll let

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Karen answer those specific

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questions. But this is

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something that her and Doctor

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Choe have had ongoing

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conversations. This wasn't

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really driven by the budget

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discussion. It just happened

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that they come to that

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conclusion during our budget

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discussions. So if in fact,

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that is the recommendation, we

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can incorporate that within our

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say tarpon is a nice little

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distance away from Clearwater,

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especially when you're talking

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about people that don't have

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transportation.

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>> Can you about how many

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patients are we serving up

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there? Do you have you MAY not

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have this because you probably

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didn't know I was going to ask

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the question because I just got

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this myself.

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>> So sure. So I have some of

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the information that I can

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share. So in 2022, we reduced

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the operating days at the

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Tarpon site from five days to

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three days per week. So we're

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constantly looking at

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utilization of our health

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program, as well as the general

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doh services. We reduced the

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medical provider from three

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days to two days in NOVEMBER of

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2025, because we were not

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seeing the encounters up there.

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There's been a 60% reduction in

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all medical services since 2018,

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and currently operating at only

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58% of capacity, even with

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those reduced days. So we are

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paying for staff time without

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being able to fill those slots.

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Wick, which is also up at that

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location, reduced services to

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one day a week in FEBRUARY of

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2025. That's not the health

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program. Health care for the

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homeless program. That's the

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core agreement. And there have

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been no doh dental services

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provided at Tarpon since 2019.

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health care for the homeless,

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the mobile mobile medical unit.

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Shepherd center. We went to

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various locations up there, and

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we still were not seeing the

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encounters. We also work with

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Advent Hospital. I meet with

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them every single month to talk

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about patients that they're

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discharging. Can they link them

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to the Tarpon Health Center? We

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give them the information on

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the care coordinators from the

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health department. We're just

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not seeing the volume. And this

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recommendation, while it's been

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in motion, is also one of the

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recommendations that the

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consultant put forward in the

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health program evaluation as

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>> So you MAY not know the

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answer to this question. What

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were we doing as it relates to

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marketing and communicating to

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the public that this facility

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even existed and could provide

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meeting with the hospitals,

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meeting with community partners

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up there, really trying to

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provide outreach, I have staff

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that go out in community and

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provide outreach at events

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where, you know, we table

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brochures. We just aren't

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seeing the encounter rates up

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>> Okay. Thank you so much for

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answering those questions. I

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will consider this as you know,

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which is the request. But we

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all know the minute you close

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this down, people are going to

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come out of the woodwork.

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>> Karen, you also said there's

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some other ways in which you

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can provide services to your

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medical van.

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street medicine van. So the

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street medicine van does that's

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the smaller van. The street med

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van can still go up to tarpon,

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and we always can pivot the

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larger mobile medical van as

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well. So if we do start seeing,

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you know, the community members

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saying, you know, we really

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MISS The service, we can always

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bring the larger van back up

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there to make sure that we can

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meet those medical needs. Plus,

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we have options for telehealth.

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So if we have partners in the

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community that want to be a

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telehealth location, we can

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provide telehealth services

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through the health program as

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well. Sure thing.

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>> Okay, so that that's the

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Tarpon Department of Health.

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And again, that that

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recommendation would would save

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$400,000. And then the final

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box in the yellow area is

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something Commissioner Shearer

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raised. When you're doing

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revenue projections on how many

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people are going to visit a

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park or whatever you're doing,

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that it's an estimate. Right.

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And Commissioner Shearer raised

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this in his comments. We went

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back and looked at it, and we

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think that they're that they're

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probably being conservative

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there. And so just simply being

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more accurate or pushing that

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estimate that you can gain

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another $285,000 through that.

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So that so we've incorporated

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those. So those are those are

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for those are five areas that

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just simply incorporating those

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would, would enable you to

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reduce the, to do a millage

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rate reduction of by 25%, you

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know, and so the yellow is a

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recommendation we think makes

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sense. We can incorporate that.

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And as part of the final budget

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recommendations, when you get

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to the, I guess, orange area,

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we have some other ideas. The

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first one is Commissioner

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Nowicki, brought up as part of

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the organizational efficiency

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studies. So we we have about $1

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million that we budget in there.

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And every year different things

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come up, but it varies year to

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year. It depends on what it is.

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And I and our response. We

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outlined some of those things

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when we had to do a jail master

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plan for that site, when we

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when we did the centralize the

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intake over there, we had to do

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a master plan. We had to look

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at all the different facilities.

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Well, that's where we bring

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somebody in that can do that

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type of space planning, master

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planning, work and work with

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the sheriff's office and figure

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out security issues and routes

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for transports and and all

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those various things. That was

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one that we did when we do the,

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the board strategic planning,

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we pay for it out of there.

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When we, when we had to do the

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Cdbg. DR. Implementation

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planning, that's not

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reimbursable from the federal

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funds. So we had to do the plan.

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We had to pay for that in order

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to be able to access the $800

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million. So again, that's

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another one where we we used

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that. So each year there's

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different things that come up.

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We're currently doing a fleet

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operations review. I think

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there's a potential savings

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there of a significant amount

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of money. And so we brought

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someone in to look at it from

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the, from a private sector

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perspective on how to manage

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fleets differently than the way

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we currently do it. So that's

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underway. So we've had each and

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every year we have different

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things that come up. But again,

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Commissioner Nowicki raised

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that as $1 million potential

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area. We think that we do need

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money there because there are

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going to be things that come

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out of our fall studies and

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things we want to look at. But

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but since it varies and we

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looked back at several years,

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we can reduce that down by half.

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So we can take a half million

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dollars out and still have

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sufficient funds to be able to

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address any needs. And we also

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have reserves if for some

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reason we exceed it, because

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it's one time type money. So so

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that's an area that we can look

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at the next area. It was

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actually brought up by

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Commissioner Sheer, but this is

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in our water and nav area. Our

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water and nav is it's a

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specialized area. You know, we

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we do not think we can we can

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merge that with another

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department. And the people are

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busy. You are the ones that get

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the complaints about the, the

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delays and, and permits and out

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of that group. And they also do

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all of our navigational work

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out on all the waterways. So

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they work closely with the

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state. They oversee all of our

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navigational activities. And,

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and we've only got a few people

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in there, but the permit fees

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haven't been raised in a long

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time. And I'd have to get staff

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to tell me how long. But, but

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but it really should be

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breaking even. Right. And it's

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not. And that's where

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Commissioner Shearer identified

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$1 million of cost. But but for

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us to increase the fees for it

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to break even, we'd have to

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raise them by 120%, which I

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don't think there's a great

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appetite to raise fees. And

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we've actually been working

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with the contractors that do

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that work, and staff's been

435
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meeting with them. So we have a

436
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good relationship. It's

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something that we can look at.

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We'd like to work with the

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contractors. We think it's an

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area that's ripe for additional

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discussion. We don't have that

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in the first one, but if you

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wanted to look at fees, even

444
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fees in those in over three

445
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years could generate about

446
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$280,000. So that isn't that's

447
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that's an option that we could

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look at. If you choose to, to

449
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go there. Right.

450
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>> Excuse me, chair, can I ask

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a question? Barry, I the reason

452
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I brought that up is, you know,

453
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I in my mind permitting of the

454
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dock is very similar to

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permitting a house on a lot and

456
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I don't unless it's required by

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the Army Corps that that

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department handle these permits

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for docks. I don't see why our

460
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:17,844
building division can't handle

461
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permits for docks. They. They

462
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have they have everything in

463
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place to do it. It's. They need

464
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surveys. They need a plan. They

465
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need design. They check the

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setbacks. They check the zoning.

467
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Why do we have to have a

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separate department? That's a

469
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tiny little department and

470
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public works handling such a

471
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vital.

472
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>> Well, first they do all the

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navigational stuff out on the

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waterways too.

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>> But I don't want them.

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>> To do that. I'll let. I'll

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let Joe or Kelly come up and

478
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and explain that the difference.

479
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But even if we put it over

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there, the workload you we get

481
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complaints from you because you

482
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get them from your constituents

483
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over the time it takes to get

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permits out now.

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>> All the time, all the time.

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And that's one of the reasons I

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like the idea of moving it to

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the building department.

489
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>> Again, if if our permit

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people are busy, I can't add an

491
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additional workload on them

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without delaying permits. And

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so if in fact, we, we we want

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to move those people over. I

495
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need the people to go with it

496
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or there's going to be a delay

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either on docks or on our

498
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regular permit activity. Either

499
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way, if they're busy. But let

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let Kelly explain the

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difference on on the activity

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itself first. Okay.

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>> And I do want to say we have

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a permit dashboard on our

505
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website live, and we are

506
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meeting all the permitting

507
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targets. I have received

508
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numerous. I know that sometimes

509
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when you get the emails,

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they're the the negative side.

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But you know, I forward all the

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the good ones over to Jill so

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that she knows that equally,

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we're getting positive feedback

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00:21:49,202 --> 00:21:50,337
as well. So I do want to put

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that out there for our staff

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who are working really hard,

518
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but they have their very

519
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specialized. A lot of what

520
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we're looking at is it doesn't

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pertain to a parcel or the

522
00:22:01,148 --> 00:22:02,215
zoning or anything on the

523
00:22:02,215 --> 00:22:04,170
upland side. It's not land

524
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development code. What we're

525
00:22:06,186 --> 00:22:07,988
looking at is navigability. We

526
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have to look at the

527
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environmental aspects of that.

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We have the Army Corps of

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Engineer delegation, so we have

530
00:22:14,761 --> 00:22:16,496
to check all those boxes. And

531
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that's a service that the that

532
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:20,234
the marine contractors actually

533
00:22:20,234 --> 00:22:21,601
asked us to get the delegation,

534
00:22:21,601 --> 00:22:22,702
because the permitting from the

535
00:22:22,702 --> 00:22:24,571
Army Corps can take an

536
00:22:24,571 --> 00:22:26,740
extensive amount of time, as

537
00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:28,508
anyone knows. I mean, minimum

538
00:22:28,508 --> 00:22:29,743
permit timeline for from the

539
00:22:29,743 --> 00:22:30,977
Corps for a single family dock

540
00:22:30,977 --> 00:22:32,745
is somewhere between six months

541
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and a year. We're doing it at

542
00:22:33,947 --> 00:22:36,115
the same time, and we're

543
00:22:36,115 --> 00:22:39,190
getting it done in a few weeks

544
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to less than a month. So we are

545
00:22:41,121 --> 00:22:43,890
able to do both our own

546
00:22:43,890 --> 00:22:45,890
internal navigability reviews,

547
00:22:46,259 --> 00:22:47,561
our own internal code reviews

548
00:22:47,561 --> 00:22:48,995
that we have to check those

549
00:22:48,995 --> 00:22:50,663
boxes, as well as doing the

550
00:22:50,663 --> 00:22:53,333
Army Corps review at the exact

551
00:22:53,333 --> 00:22:54,434
same time. There's also

552
00:22:54,434 --> 00:22:55,802
efficiencies in that when

553
00:22:55,802 --> 00:22:57,237
they're in the water, it

554
00:22:57,237 --> 00:22:59,237
obviously requires equipment,

555
00:22:59,439 --> 00:23:00,941
and we have other people who do

556
00:23:00,941 --> 00:23:02,742
similarly situated work and

557
00:23:02,742 --> 00:23:04,143
they share the equipment, they

558
00:23:04,143 --> 00:23:05,979
share the boats, they share

559
00:23:05,979 --> 00:23:07,481
those things that they need

560
00:23:07,481 --> 00:23:09,249
with those same groups so that

561
00:23:09,249 --> 00:23:10,450
there's an efficiency there.

562
00:23:10,450 --> 00:23:12,419
They also share the vehicles

563
00:23:12,419 --> 00:23:13,820
and stuff. So there's an

564
00:23:13,820 --> 00:23:15,820
efficiency there. Barry

565
00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:19,490
mentioned we maintain about

566
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,360
1200 aids to navigation and

567
00:23:23,262 --> 00:23:24,898
boater zones for speed and and

568
00:23:24,898 --> 00:23:26,133
other and wakes and those types

569
00:23:26,133 --> 00:23:28,340
of things. And these staff work.

570
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:29,702
We have one person who kind of

571
00:23:29,702 --> 00:23:30,370
coordinates the permitting and

572
00:23:30,370 --> 00:23:32,380
the maintenance work, but he

573
00:23:32,380 --> 00:23:33,806
can't be out there by himself.

574
00:23:33,806 --> 00:23:36,176
He needs those staff to come

575
00:23:36,176 --> 00:23:37,710
out with him to help do that

576
00:23:37,710 --> 00:23:41,910
work. So it's a it's a combined

577
00:23:42,315 --> 00:23:44,451
effort. They're they're a team.

578
00:23:44,451 --> 00:23:47,320
We also do the, the dredge and

579
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,121
fill permits. We do a handful

580
00:23:49,121 --> 00:23:50,256
of, of we have the state

581
00:23:50,256 --> 00:23:52,256
delegated authority for

582
00:23:52,425 --> 00:23:53,525
mangroves. Again, another

583
00:23:53,525 --> 00:23:54,761
specialized area. But I mean,

584
00:23:54,761 --> 00:23:56,629
in the grand scheme of things,

585
00:23:56,629 --> 00:23:58,531
we do maybe less than a dozen

586
00:23:58,531 --> 00:24:00,400
of those a year, really. The

587
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,869
core, the core permitting work

588
00:24:02,869 --> 00:24:04,971
that we do is with regard to

589
00:24:04,971 --> 00:24:06,705
docks and dredge and fill. It

590
00:24:06,705 --> 00:24:07,741
is not the same as being a

591
00:24:07,741 --> 00:24:09,275
building inspector. We also

592
00:24:09,275 --> 00:24:11,444
have two marine contract

593
00:24:11,444 --> 00:24:12,845
inspectors who it's again, a

594
00:24:12,845 --> 00:24:13,946
specialized area of

595
00:24:13,946 --> 00:24:15,114
construction where they go out

596
00:24:15,114 --> 00:24:16,490
and they do all the

597
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:17,550
post-construction inspections,

598
00:24:17,550 --> 00:24:20,186
make sure everything was was

599
00:24:20,186 --> 00:24:22,221
built as it was supposed to be.

600
00:24:22,221 --> 00:24:24,791
So it is a specialized area of

601
00:24:24,791 --> 00:24:26,592
work. The workload is we're

602
00:24:26,592 --> 00:24:28,294
full. I mean, they're still

603
00:24:28,294 --> 00:24:29,528
working overtime to make sure

604
00:24:29,528 --> 00:24:31,598
that we can hit the permitting

605
00:24:31,598 --> 00:24:33,598
milestones. And when

606
00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:36,969
contractors call us and they do

607
00:24:36,969 --> 00:24:39,205
to say, hey, you know what? I'm

608
00:24:39,205 --> 00:24:41,741
running out of work. Can you

609
00:24:41,741 --> 00:24:43,509
help me? I got to keep this

610
00:24:43,509 --> 00:24:45,311
crew busy. Can you move this?

611
00:24:45,311 --> 00:24:47,113
Where's this permit for me? And

612
00:24:47,113 --> 00:24:48,548
we've done that, and I've had

613
00:24:48,548 --> 00:24:50,160
them call me personally and say,

614
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,451
I really appreciate your staff

615
00:24:51,451 --> 00:24:53,853
doing that to help me keep my

616
00:24:53,853 --> 00:24:54,988
crews busy. I know you guys

617
00:24:54,988 --> 00:24:57,988
don't always hear all that

618
00:24:58,591 --> 00:25:00,425
stuff, but I do, and Jill does.

619
00:25:00,425 --> 00:25:02,962
And our, our staff is, is

620
00:25:02,962 --> 00:25:05,164
working really hard to, to

621
00:25:05,164 --> 00:25:06,598
improve their efficiencies, to

622
00:25:06,598 --> 00:25:08,368
put out to be very transparent

623
00:25:08,368 --> 00:25:10,103
with their review timelines and

624
00:25:10,103 --> 00:25:13,103
even improve upon where they're

625
00:25:14,874 --> 00:25:16,308
going. Thank you. Jill. We're

626
00:25:16,308 --> 00:25:18,511
also county wide, so we work

627
00:25:18,511 --> 00:25:20,647
well beyond the unincorporated

628
00:25:20,647 --> 00:25:21,280
area. We work within all the

629
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,280
jurisdictions that have

630
00:25:23,515 --> 00:25:25,584
navigable waters. And so we're

631
00:25:25,584 --> 00:25:27,587
also coordinating with those

632
00:25:27,587 --> 00:25:29,255
cities to make sure that, you

633
00:25:29,255 --> 00:25:30,523
know, sometimes they have very

634
00:25:30,523 --> 00:25:32,358
specialized things in place.

635
00:25:32,358 --> 00:25:33,925
And so we have to work with

636
00:25:33,925 --> 00:25:35,327
them and work and to ensure

637
00:25:35,327 --> 00:25:37,463
that what we're approving is

638
00:25:37,463 --> 00:25:39,265
not in conflict, conflict with

639
00:25:39,265 --> 00:25:41,100
with something that they have

640
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:42,568
on the books. So it's, it's,

641
00:25:42,568 --> 00:25:44,360
there's a lot of coordination

642
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:45,700
between our staff, the

643
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:47,470
contractors, the cities, the

644
00:25:47,973 --> 00:25:52,644
Army Corps, dep. It is a it is

645
00:25:52,644 --> 00:25:55,440
a very complex program.

646
00:25:55,548 --> 00:25:57,716
>> Yes. How many full time

647
00:25:57,716 --> 00:25:59,251
permit techs do you have for

648
00:25:59,251 --> 00:26:00,987
docks or do you do they do both.

649
00:26:00,987 --> 00:26:02,755
Do they do the.

650
00:26:02,755 --> 00:26:04,230
>> They do the org chart that i

651
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:05,224
provided you that I circled

652
00:26:05,224 --> 00:26:07,393
that they all do.

653
00:26:07,393 --> 00:26:09,295
>> I couldn't figure out whose

654
00:26:09,295 --> 00:26:10,695
responsibility was what on that

655
00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:12,264
chart. It didn't really say

656
00:26:12,264 --> 00:26:12,999
their do dock permits. They do

657
00:26:12,999 --> 00:26:14,300
channel permits.

658
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,680
>> They do. They do. There's no

659
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,269
there is no they don't. We

660
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:19,400
don't break them up. They all

661
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,406
do everything. We have two

662
00:26:20,406 --> 00:26:23,142
people who came over from the

663
00:26:23,142 --> 00:26:26,111
clerk. So the county this is a

664
00:26:26,111 --> 00:26:27,545
charter authority. We are we

665
00:26:27,545 --> 00:26:30,815
are the county wide water and

666
00:26:30,815 --> 00:26:32,815
Navigation Control Authority.

667
00:26:32,985 --> 00:26:36,585
It's part of our charter. And

668
00:26:36,589 --> 00:26:38,691
so back in the 1950s, I think

669
00:26:38,691 --> 00:26:40,459
when this was first implemented,

670
00:26:40,459 --> 00:26:43,462
the clerk of court actually did

671
00:26:43,462 --> 00:26:45,631
the intake and had been doing

672
00:26:45,631 --> 00:26:47,333
that for a very long time. And

673
00:26:47,333 --> 00:26:50,268
a year ago, we found an

674
00:26:50,268 --> 00:26:52,370
opportunity for efficiency for

675
00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:54,539
the clerk was was doing it with

676
00:26:54,539 --> 00:26:57,760
three people. We pulled over

677
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,278
two positions from the clerk

678
00:26:59,278 --> 00:27:00,445
and streamlined the process,

679
00:27:00,445 --> 00:27:02,348
looked at how we could use a

680
00:27:02,348 --> 00:27:03,882
Cela better. And so now we've

681
00:27:03,882 --> 00:27:05,417
got two people who handle

682
00:27:05,417 --> 00:27:06,818
intake, and the rest of them

683
00:27:06,818 --> 00:27:08,454
all do all sorts of permitting.

684
00:27:08,454 --> 00:27:10,389
They do all of it. They do the

685
00:27:10,389 --> 00:27:11,590
dredge and fill. They do docks.

686
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:14,359
They do multi, multi use docks.

687
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,828
They do marinas, they do

688
00:27:15,828 --> 00:27:18,731
mangroves. They do all of it.

689
00:27:18,731 --> 00:27:20,980
All of them do all of it.

690
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:21,900
>> And does the Army Corps of

691
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:23,669
Engineers require your

692
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:25,170
department handle the

693
00:27:25,170 --> 00:27:26,839
permitting or.

694
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:29,239
>> They require the conditions

695
00:27:29,474 --> 00:27:31,243
of the sa96 agreement to be in

696
00:27:31,243 --> 00:27:32,744
place. Which means you have to

697
00:27:32,744 --> 00:27:34,313
you know, you have to be you

698
00:27:34,313 --> 00:27:36,281
have to have the expertise to

699
00:27:36,281 --> 00:27:38,449
be able to to do those reviews

700
00:27:38,449 --> 00:27:40,219
with regard to corals and, and

701
00:27:40,219 --> 00:27:42,540
other natural resources. But no,

702
00:27:42,540 --> 00:27:43,589
they don't require it. They

703
00:27:43,589 --> 00:27:45,589
require the expertise.

704
00:27:45,691 --> 00:27:47,920
>> And do they do they require

705
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,160
inspections that you were

706
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:48,861
describing by going out with

707
00:27:48,861 --> 00:27:50,362
the boat?

708
00:27:50,362 --> 00:27:52,331
>> Yes, they absolutely do.

709
00:27:52,331 --> 00:27:53,965
>> And that's why we don't. I

710
00:27:53,965 --> 00:27:55,167
mean, we have an agreement with

711
00:27:55,167 --> 00:27:57,369
them. So we wouldn't have we

712
00:27:57,369 --> 00:27:58,737
could cancel that. It it's in

713
00:27:58,737 --> 00:27:59,738
our charter. No violation of

714
00:27:59,738 --> 00:28:00,405
the charter.

715
00:28:00,405 --> 00:28:01,872
>> I.

716
00:28:01,872 --> 00:28:02,274
>> That would then delay

717
00:28:02,274 --> 00:28:03,542
everything for.

718
00:28:03,542 --> 00:28:05,443
>> I actually asked for a copy

719
00:28:05,443 --> 00:28:06,578
of the agreement, and I'm not

720
00:28:06,578 --> 00:28:08,380
throwing you under the bus. I

721
00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:10,382
just haven't had it. I don't

722
00:28:10,382 --> 00:28:11,617
have it yet. So I didn't have a

723
00:28:11,617 --> 00:28:13,385
chance to read it. But yeah.

724
00:28:13,385 --> 00:28:13,652
>> But it is a delegated

725
00:28:13,652 --> 00:28:14,720
authority.

726
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,488
>> From the Corps. But they

727
00:28:16,488 --> 00:28:17,723
actually require you to go out

728
00:28:17,723 --> 00:28:18,523
and do on site inspections

729
00:28:18,523 --> 00:28:20,392
under the docks.

730
00:28:20,392 --> 00:28:21,526
>> They require us to look for

731
00:28:21,526 --> 00:28:22,694
all of those things. I know

732
00:28:22,694 --> 00:28:24,463
you're very busy, but in

733
00:28:24,463 --> 00:28:25,597
JANUARY I did send over. You

734
00:28:25,597 --> 00:28:26,564
would thought you would

735
00:28:26,564 --> 00:28:28,533
initially wanted to talk with

736
00:28:28,533 --> 00:28:29,668
the Corps, and I sent over our

737
00:28:29,668 --> 00:28:30,635
agreement and our checklist.

738
00:28:30,635 --> 00:28:32,404
Their checklist. I mean, it's

739
00:28:32,404 --> 00:28:33,772
an Army Corps checklist. And so

740
00:28:33,772 --> 00:28:35,540
it it very clearly identifies

741
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:39,711
all of the things that we are

742
00:28:39,711 --> 00:28:41,813
required to look for. So yes.

743
00:28:41,813 --> 00:28:43,682
>> But you know, to your point,

744
00:28:43,682 --> 00:28:45,417
it's, it's really how do we not

745
00:28:45,417 --> 00:28:46,885
make this a general fund

746
00:28:46,885 --> 00:28:48,787
expense? The way to do that

747
00:28:48,787 --> 00:28:50,255
would be to charge permit fees

748
00:28:50,255 --> 00:28:51,122
at equal the cost of providing

749
00:28:51,122 --> 00:28:52,658
the service.

750
00:28:52,658 --> 00:28:54,492
>> I wasn't looking at raising

751
00:28:54,492 --> 00:28:54,793
fees. I was looking at reducing

752
00:28:54,793 --> 00:28:56,793
costs.

753
00:28:57,262 --> 00:28:58,597
>> But that's. Yeah. So there's

754
00:28:58,597 --> 00:29:00,899
and we couldn't and we can't

755
00:29:00,899 --> 00:29:02,670
use building permit fees for

756
00:29:02,670 --> 00:29:04,136
providing that work. That would

757
00:29:04,136 --> 00:29:05,603
be illegal. I mean, you can't

758
00:29:05,603 --> 00:29:07,739
your building permit fees are

759
00:29:07,739 --> 00:29:09,400
restricted to those building

760
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,809
functions. And so it would have

761
00:29:10,809 --> 00:29:12,744
to be navigable fees or general

762
00:29:12,744 --> 00:29:13,678
fund either way. So that cost

763
00:29:13,678 --> 00:29:15,647
differential would still have

764
00:29:15,647 --> 00:29:18,149
to be assumed by the general

765
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:19,117
fund. But we could increase the

766
00:29:19,117 --> 00:29:21,520
fees. And that's something we

767
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,987
can look at. I we just put it

768
00:29:22,987 --> 00:29:24,155
in here that if we phased them

769
00:29:24,155 --> 00:29:25,957
in over three years, and I

770
00:29:25,957 --> 00:29:27,250
think from from what Kelly and

771
00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:28,160
Jill said, there's general

772
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,994
consensus that we probably need

773
00:29:29,994 --> 00:29:30,996
to look at the fees, even with

774
00:29:30,996 --> 00:29:32,950
the contractors, because they

775
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:33,131
want the service they want.

776
00:29:33,131 --> 00:29:34,799
They want that timely

777
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:36,201
turnaround. That's way more

778
00:29:36,201 --> 00:29:38,360
important than, than the fee.

779
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,771
But but they also, I'm sure,

780
00:29:39,771 --> 00:29:41,239
would object to too much of an

781
00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:42,507
increase at once. So that's

782
00:29:42,507 --> 00:29:44,376
just something we have to keep

783
00:29:44,376 --> 00:29:45,643
in mind. We put that in here

784
00:29:45,643 --> 00:29:47,412
that this is a possibility. We

785
00:29:47,412 --> 00:29:48,580
could do it over three years.

786
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:50,414
That's how much it generates.

787
00:29:50,414 --> 00:29:51,683
>> Yeah. And we've had just you

788
00:29:51,683 --> 00:29:53,918
know, to Barry's point, you

789
00:29:53,918 --> 00:29:56,210
know, we've been doing very

790
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:57,422
active engagement with the

791
00:29:57,422 --> 00:29:59,900
contractors. My deputy director,

792
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:00,224
Paul, has been going out in the

793
00:30:00,224 --> 00:30:01,259
field and actually meeting with

794
00:30:01,259 --> 00:30:02,393
them, seeing some of the

795
00:30:02,393 --> 00:30:04,129
challenges that they're dealing

796
00:30:04,129 --> 00:30:05,229
with. I mean, it's a it's a

797
00:30:05,229 --> 00:30:06,398
very complex environment that

798
00:30:06,398 --> 00:30:07,365
they got out there, especially

799
00:30:07,365 --> 00:30:08,900
when neighbors aren't getting

800
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:10,201
along. And we're trying to

801
00:30:10,201 --> 00:30:11,970
thread a needle to make sure

802
00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:14,970
that everybody can get what

803
00:30:16,173 --> 00:30:17,809
they want, you know? But with

804
00:30:17,809 --> 00:30:19,770
regard to the fees, I mean, one

805
00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:20,879
of the some of the feedback we

806
00:30:20,879 --> 00:30:23,140
got was that your fees aren't

807
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:25,450
the problem, you know, so when,

808
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:28,152
for example, you know, we have

809
00:30:28,152 --> 00:30:31,152
a contractor who specializes in

810
00:30:31,322 --> 00:30:32,657
high end docks, so he has a

811
00:30:32,657 --> 00:30:34,592
problem in that most of his

812
00:30:34,592 --> 00:30:36,928
docks are in six figure range.

813
00:30:36,928 --> 00:30:38,162
And the city's what they do is

814
00:30:38,162 --> 00:30:39,997
you go come in for a permit.

815
00:30:39,997 --> 00:30:42,330
All they're looking at is their

816
00:30:42,330 --> 00:30:43,300
setbacks and issuing a

817
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:44,569
essentially a building permit.

818
00:30:44,569 --> 00:30:46,771
Even though we're doing the

819
00:30:46,771 --> 00:30:48,972
construction review. So they

820
00:30:48,972 --> 00:30:51,108
charge 10% of that. So they're

821
00:30:51,108 --> 00:30:52,910
paying ten grand to the city

822
00:30:52,910 --> 00:30:54,679
for a permit and we're charging

823
00:30:54,679 --> 00:30:55,813
a thousand bucks.

824
00:30:55,813 --> 00:30:58,315
>> Have we looked at third

825
00:30:58,315 --> 00:30:59,984
party reviews allowing third

826
00:30:59,984 --> 00:31:00,985
party reviews.

827
00:31:00,985 --> 00:31:02,687
>> We have looked.

828
00:31:02,687 --> 00:31:05,123
>> At so somebody can come in,

829
00:31:05,123 --> 00:31:05,456
they'll. Hire a specialist.

830
00:31:05,456 --> 00:31:06,491
>> Yeah.

831
00:31:06,491 --> 00:31:08,259
>> They're more expensive.

832
00:31:08,259 --> 00:31:10,127
>> Well, sure it is, but it's

833
00:31:10,127 --> 00:31:10,461
but it's a matter of time. I'm

834
00:31:10,461 --> 00:31:12,130
talking about.

835
00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:13,264
>> They would be more expensive.

836
00:31:13,264 --> 00:31:15,199
And again, the only way we

837
00:31:15,199 --> 00:31:16,300
could recoup that is to is to

838
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:18,169
increase the fees or have a

839
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:20,400
bigger impact on the general

840
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,705
fund. So again, this is an area

841
00:31:21,705 --> 00:31:24,308
that we can talk about. We've

842
00:31:24,308 --> 00:31:27,780
put on an idea of a three year

843
00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:29,130
phase in, but this is an area

844
00:31:29,130 --> 00:31:30,348
we can talk about. So this is

845
00:31:30,348 --> 00:31:31,982
this is a ripe area. This is

846
00:31:31,982 --> 00:31:34,982
the next area is personnel

847
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:37,120
lapse savings. So so we budget.

848
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,520
If your department typically

849
00:31:39,724 --> 00:31:41,859
experiences a 5% turnover rate,

850
00:31:41,859 --> 00:31:43,561
we've in essence taken that out

851
00:31:43,561 --> 00:31:46,997
of your budget. So we'll budget

852
00:31:46,997 --> 00:31:48,632
you at 95% of payroll. Okay. So

853
00:31:48,632 --> 00:31:49,567
if nobody leaves, then your

854
00:31:49,567 --> 00:31:51,935
department's going to be short

855
00:31:51,935 --> 00:31:53,771
to meet payroll. Okay. But we

856
00:31:53,771 --> 00:31:55,139
typically and so we budget

857
00:31:55,139 --> 00:31:57,800
departments something less than

858
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,575
100% of payroll based upon what

859
00:31:58,575 --> 00:32:00,543
area it is and what their

860
00:32:00,543 --> 00:32:03,543
typical turnover rate is. We

861
00:32:04,182 --> 00:32:06,383
keep a, a set aside of $300,000

862
00:32:06,383 --> 00:32:07,585
in case any one of those areas,

863
00:32:07,585 --> 00:32:10,210
they don't have the turnover

864
00:32:10,210 --> 00:32:12,550
that year. And so it's a safety

865
00:32:12,550 --> 00:32:13,958
net. We can. But we haven't

866
00:32:13,958 --> 00:32:15,525
used it. And so we put that on

867
00:32:15,525 --> 00:32:17,228
the table that that's something

868
00:32:17,228 --> 00:32:19,330
that you could eliminate. And

869
00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:21,640
if we come up short, well then

870
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,534
we'll have to go to reserves to

871
00:32:23,534 --> 00:32:26,169
to make them whole, you know,

872
00:32:26,169 --> 00:32:27,404
because it's a guess right on,

873
00:32:27,404 --> 00:32:29,305
on how much turnover is going

874
00:32:29,305 --> 00:32:31,208
to be. So that's an area that

875
00:32:31,208 --> 00:32:32,409
we could also look at. And then

876
00:32:32,409 --> 00:32:35,845
the final the final piece on

877
00:32:35,845 --> 00:32:37,414
the top chart is something that

878
00:32:37,414 --> 00:32:38,649
it's all near and dear to our

879
00:32:38,649 --> 00:32:40,318
heart, because we think Kelly

880
00:32:40,318 --> 00:32:42,653
and her team have done an

881
00:32:42,653 --> 00:32:43,687
amazing job at bringing our

882
00:32:43,687 --> 00:32:44,821
infrastructure back into a

883
00:32:44,821 --> 00:32:46,657
decent state of repair. But,

884
00:32:46,657 --> 00:32:48,910
but we're not there yet. But

885
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:49,860
and that is in the third

886
00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:51,695
millage. So the third millage

887
00:32:51,695 --> 00:32:53,897
is what they have it targeted

888
00:32:53,897 --> 00:32:55,666
towards towards resurfacing.

889
00:32:55,666 --> 00:32:57,601
They have it targeted towards

890
00:32:57,601 --> 00:32:59,636
boxcar culverts and and various

891
00:32:59,636 --> 00:33:01,400
things like that. I'm

892
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,400
particularly concerned about

893
00:33:03,173 --> 00:33:05,800
bridges. But, but we've, we've

894
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:06,676
transferred a lot of money for

895
00:33:06,676 --> 00:33:08,311
those three increments to try

896
00:33:08,311 --> 00:33:10,413
to get caught up, if you recall,

897
00:33:10,413 --> 00:33:12,515
not to beat a dead horse, but

898
00:33:12,515 --> 00:33:14,385
before you had those increments,

899
00:33:14,385 --> 00:33:16,253
we had 1200 miles of roads that

900
00:33:16,253 --> 00:33:17,921
were in d or f condition. We

901
00:33:17,921 --> 00:33:19,890
were not doing local roads.

902
00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:20,524
They were not doing

903
00:33:20,524 --> 00:33:22,924
neighborhood roads. Today it's

904
00:33:24,795 --> 00:33:27,363
less than 200 miles, I believe.

905
00:33:27,363 --> 00:33:28,799
Kelly. Yes. Around there. So

906
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,601
we've we've made a significant

907
00:33:30,601 --> 00:33:32,335
impact. The, the and that's

908
00:33:32,335 --> 00:33:33,203
because we could get out and do

909
00:33:33,203 --> 00:33:34,637
resurfacing pretty easy. When

910
00:33:34,637 --> 00:33:36,572
you have to reconstruct a road,

911
00:33:36,572 --> 00:33:37,674
it takes a long time. Now you

912
00:33:37,674 --> 00:33:39,642
have to get drainage and you

913
00:33:39,642 --> 00:33:40,677
have to address those things.

914
00:33:40,677 --> 00:33:41,879
And, and in particular, when

915
00:33:41,879 --> 00:33:43,680
you get into box culverts or

916
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,781
things like that, it's a lot

917
00:33:44,781 --> 00:33:45,749
more involved and requires

918
00:33:45,749 --> 00:33:47,884
engineering and takes years to,

919
00:33:47,884 --> 00:33:49,152
to complete. Same thing with

920
00:33:49,152 --> 00:33:50,286
bridges typically, especially

921
00:33:50,286 --> 00:33:51,922
in some of these neighborhoods,

922
00:33:51,922 --> 00:33:53,122
as you well know, and you've

923
00:33:53,122 --> 00:33:54,424
heard as we've done bridges,

924
00:33:54,424 --> 00:33:56,125
you, you know, Don's out there

925
00:33:56,125 --> 00:33:58,195
trying to trying to get

926
00:33:58,195 --> 00:33:59,195
easements, trying to be able to

927
00:33:59,195 --> 00:34:00,897
reconstruct and things like

928
00:34:00,897 --> 00:34:02,299
that. So it takes longer and,

929
00:34:02,299 --> 00:34:04,434
and calling them typically go

930
00:34:04,434 --> 00:34:07,304
after grants for those types of,

931
00:34:07,304 --> 00:34:08,639
of projects. So our money is

932
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,240
matched to, to do the local

933
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,409
match for those. So we've made

934
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:14,111
a lot of progress, but it is an

935
00:34:14,111 --> 00:34:15,545
area that if you want to

936
00:34:15,545 --> 00:34:17,213
provide property tax relief,

937
00:34:17,213 --> 00:34:18,481
this is an area where we could

938
00:34:18,481 --> 00:34:20,650
we could curb that back. So we

939
00:34:20,650 --> 00:34:22,419
put on for discussion that we

940
00:34:22,419 --> 00:34:23,987
could take half of the third

941
00:34:23,987 --> 00:34:24,855
millage, which is about 3

942
00:34:24,855 --> 00:34:26,890
million.

943
00:34:26,890 --> 00:34:26,689
>> Could you explain the 3

944
00:34:26,689 --> 00:34:28,910
million?

945
00:34:28,910 --> 00:34:29,559
>> So you have three different

946
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,959
mills. Millages the first

947
00:34:36,330 --> 00:34:37,200
millage was to stabilize. Okay.

948
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,770
You caught me with something I

949
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:42,205
wasn't prepared for, but Chris

950
00:34:42,205 --> 00:34:44,107
has got an answer here. So the

951
00:34:44,107 --> 00:34:46,176
three the three mills, the

952
00:34:46,176 --> 00:34:47,544
first millage, it was a

953
00:34:47,544 --> 00:34:49,544
stabilization. The

954
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:51,982
Transportation Trust fund was

955
00:34:51,982 --> 00:34:54,170
not keeping pace because that's

956
00:34:54,170 --> 00:34:55,919
your gas tax. Gas tax is flat.

957
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:57,587
Costs go up. It does less and

958
00:34:57,587 --> 00:35:00,957
less each year. So the first

959
00:35:00,957 --> 00:35:03,293
was a catch up. And how much is

960
00:35:03,293 --> 00:35:06,293
that. Kelly can probably tell

961
00:35:06,695 --> 00:35:08,695
me.

962
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,300
>> All three were 0.42. Right.

963
00:35:18,608 --> 00:35:19,742
All three mills were.

964
00:35:19,742 --> 00:35:22,111
>> I don't remember how much

965
00:35:22,111 --> 00:35:23,450
the first one is. It's like 6

966
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:24,447
or 8 million.

967
00:35:24,447 --> 00:35:27,447
>> I amount and the millage

968
00:35:28,285 --> 00:35:29,553
rate please.

969
00:35:29,553 --> 00:35:31,855
>> Here, I'll let Chris answer

970
00:35:31,855 --> 00:35:33,855
this. Well.

971
00:35:35,925 --> 00:35:38,761
>> The the first millage is

972
00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:41,161
0.1279 mills. And that in 27

973
00:35:42,766 --> 00:35:44,766
equates to 17.9 almost $18

974
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:50,670
million. The second millage is

975
00:35:51,641 --> 00:35:53,750
0.1752, and that equates to

976
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:54,210
$24.6 million. And then the

977
00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:57,210
third millage, the one we're

978
00:35:58,214 --> 00:36:00,614
talking about, is 0.0281. And

979
00:36:02,618 --> 00:36:02,852
that is equivalent to $3.064

980
00:36:02,852 --> 00:36:04,487
million.

981
00:36:04,487 --> 00:36:05,755
>> Okay. Now go. I'm sorry. I

982
00:36:05,755 --> 00:36:07,590
just wanted to get that context.

983
00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:08,958
And maybe you talk about that

984
00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:10,960
first one. That was a

985
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,561
stabilization effort because of

986
00:36:11,561 --> 00:36:12,595
the gas.

987
00:36:12,595 --> 00:36:14,698
>> Tax and the stabilization

988
00:36:14,698 --> 00:36:15,798
was to otherwise, the

989
00:36:15,798 --> 00:36:17,330
Transportation Trust fund was

990
00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:19,680
going to run out of money. So

991
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,836
if you go back to when we were

992
00:36:20,836 --> 00:36:23,272
talking about this and 19 and

993
00:36:23,272 --> 00:36:24,106
20, they that that that

994
00:36:24,106 --> 00:36:26,109
transportation trust fund was

995
00:36:26,109 --> 00:36:27,376
going to be out of money. And

996
00:36:27,376 --> 00:36:29,812
so this was to stabilize that

997
00:36:29,812 --> 00:36:31,280
to where we wouldn't, we

998
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,749
wouldn't exceed. And we would

999
00:36:32,749 --> 00:36:34,884
basically have to start taking

1000
00:36:34,884 --> 00:36:36,719
off projects and even or even

1001
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,555
maintaining the roadways. So,

1002
00:36:38,555 --> 00:36:39,689
so that was the stabilization.

1003
00:36:39,689 --> 00:36:40,923
The next one was really to get

1004
00:36:40,923 --> 00:36:43,580
caught up on roads. And the

1005
00:36:43,580 --> 00:36:44,960
third one was get caught up on

1006
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,328
roads and bridges. But you know,

1007
00:36:46,328 --> 00:36:47,897
we've made a lot of progress.

1008
00:36:47,897 --> 00:36:49,310
You're always going to have a

1009
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:50,166
couple of hundred miles of

1010
00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:52,100
roads because they're not ready

1011
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,236
to be repaved. Right. They some

1012
00:36:53,236 --> 00:36:54,938
last longer than others and

1013
00:36:54,938 --> 00:36:56,710
things like that. So you always

1014
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:58,207
have. We're in a pretty good

1015
00:36:58,207 --> 00:36:59,976
spot, I think with roads. We.

1016
00:36:59,976 --> 00:37:00,943
And again, as you can see on

1017
00:37:00,943 --> 00:37:02,478
the list, she's got you know,

1018
00:37:02,478 --> 00:37:03,980
she's got $1 million, you know,

1019
00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:07,580
planned for this year. And this

1020
00:37:08,651 --> 00:37:10,386
is a it's 4.2 lane miles that

1021
00:37:10,386 --> 00:37:11,588
that was what we would pay for

1022
00:37:11,588 --> 00:37:14,890
out of that money. But again,

1023
00:37:14,890 --> 00:37:15,658
we can we can just plan for

1024
00:37:15,658 --> 00:37:16,925
that in a future year, along

1025
00:37:16,925 --> 00:37:19,161
with all the other road

1026
00:37:19,161 --> 00:37:20,963
projects that we have. So we've

1027
00:37:20,963 --> 00:37:22,665
targeted a million and a half.

1028
00:37:22,665 --> 00:37:24,650
So half of that millage, that's

1029
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:25,535
a trade off. It's a trade off

1030
00:37:25,535 --> 00:37:27,935
between that and providing

1031
00:37:28,104 --> 00:37:29,138
property tax rate relief.

1032
00:37:29,138 --> 00:37:30,539
>> Second and third. The second

1033
00:37:30,539 --> 00:37:32,800
and third millage are all for

1034
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:32,208
the neighborhood and local

1035
00:37:32,208 --> 00:37:33,760
roads.

1036
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,760
>> And bridges.

1037
00:37:35,577 --> 00:37:37,113
>> And bridges.

1038
00:37:37,113 --> 00:37:39,113
>> And sidewalks. Yeah.

1039
00:37:39,681 --> 00:37:41,500
Sidewalks to and if you recall,

1040
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:42,518
if you recall back when we

1041
00:37:42,518 --> 00:37:43,586
started this, I think our

1042
00:37:43,586 --> 00:37:46,586
CHAIRMAN Was out running and

1043
00:37:47,123 --> 00:37:47,757
tripping on sidewalks and, and.

1044
00:37:47,757 --> 00:37:49,692
>> Yeah, that was, that was

1045
00:37:49,692 --> 00:37:51,827
during the Covid when we were

1046
00:37:51,827 --> 00:37:52,928
all doing things. And I was out

1047
00:37:52,928 --> 00:37:53,963
reporting on every nook and

1048
00:37:53,963 --> 00:37:55,798
cranny that we had.

1049
00:37:55,798 --> 00:37:57,967
>> He did in real time

1050
00:37:57,967 --> 00:38:00,435
sometimes, you know, but but

1051
00:38:00,435 --> 00:38:03,435
that's where it took us 625

1052
00:38:04,406 --> 00:38:06,208
days. Okay. To fix a sidewalk

1053
00:38:06,208 --> 00:38:07,877
when it was identified. That's

1054
00:38:07,877 --> 00:38:09,812
how long it took before we

1055
00:38:09,812 --> 00:38:12,812
actually repaired it. And, and

1056
00:38:13,482 --> 00:38:14,883
so that these funds went to

1057
00:38:14,883 --> 00:38:16,652
catching up and then

1058
00:38:16,652 --> 00:38:17,986
maintaining that. So that

1059
00:38:17,986 --> 00:38:19,555
include included both a catch

1060
00:38:19,555 --> 00:38:20,656
up period where we got

1061
00:38:20,656 --> 00:38:22,425
contractors on board and we got

1062
00:38:22,425 --> 00:38:23,792
caught up. And it also current

1063
00:38:23,792 --> 00:38:26,695
crews that we have on an

1064
00:38:26,695 --> 00:38:29,298
ongoing basis now that respond

1065
00:38:29,298 --> 00:38:30,699
to trip and falls, changes in

1066
00:38:30,699 --> 00:38:32,101
sidewalks and repaving

1067
00:38:32,101 --> 00:38:33,602
sidewalks to keep them in a

1068
00:38:33,602 --> 00:38:36,200
decent state of repair.

1069
00:38:36,538 --> 00:38:39,408
>> And so the second mill for

1070
00:38:39,408 --> 00:38:41,109
24.6 million is primarily roads.

1071
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:41,577
>> Roads and sidewalks and all

1072
00:38:41,577 --> 00:38:43,345
combined.

1073
00:38:43,345 --> 00:38:45,414
>> Okay. And the last one

1074
00:38:45,414 --> 00:38:47,616
separate is just additional

1075
00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:50,160
roads, bridges and sidewalks,

1076
00:38:51,253 --> 00:38:53,653
just additional funds. Both.

1077
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:55,524
>> Yeah. And box culverts.

1078
00:38:55,524 --> 00:38:57,392
She's got them segregated, but

1079
00:38:57,392 --> 00:38:59,792
they're interchangeable. I mean,

1080
00:39:00,662 --> 00:39:01,797
you know, so we it's it's an

1081
00:39:01,797 --> 00:39:02,798
infrastructure repair fund is

1082
00:39:02,798 --> 00:39:04,798
what it is.

1083
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,968
>> All of the, all of the penny

1084
00:39:05,968 --> 00:39:07,803
dollars are going for more of

1085
00:39:07,803 --> 00:39:10,639
our collector roads and our

1086
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:12,908
main roads. Yeah. Projects.

1087
00:39:12,908 --> 00:39:14,309
>> Yeah, exactly. And, and that

1088
00:39:14,309 --> 00:39:17,909
was the choice. I mean, you

1089
00:39:18,347 --> 00:39:20,215
know, you again, before they,

1090
00:39:20,215 --> 00:39:21,382
they looked at what we had in

1091
00:39:21,382 --> 00:39:22,551
the penny and they looked at

1092
00:39:22,551 --> 00:39:23,485
what was coming into the

1093
00:39:23,485 --> 00:39:25,219
Transportation Trust fund. And

1094
00:39:25,219 --> 00:39:26,522
then they just established the

1095
00:39:26,522 --> 00:39:28,389
highest priority. And so if you

1096
00:39:28,389 --> 00:39:30,526
have a neighborhood street,

1097
00:39:30,526 --> 00:39:31,960
okay, or you have Belcher, well,

1098
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,495
then, you know, you're going to

1099
00:39:33,495 --> 00:39:35,196
choose. Belcher because of the

1100
00:39:35,196 --> 00:39:36,431
volume of traffic and the

1101
00:39:36,431 --> 00:39:37,466
impact it has on the community.

1102
00:39:37,466 --> 00:39:38,800
And so they were just

1103
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,202
constantly making choices to

1104
00:39:40,202 --> 00:39:41,803
address the highest priority

1105
00:39:41,803 --> 00:39:43,305
need, not necessarily getting

1106
00:39:43,305 --> 00:39:44,472
caught up. This has allowed us

1107
00:39:44,472 --> 00:39:47,900
to really actually maintain the

1108
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:48,810
roads and pave them at the

1109
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:50,178
right time, versus seeing them

1110
00:39:50,178 --> 00:39:51,379
deteriorate to where you get

1111
00:39:51,379 --> 00:39:53,115
into a state where you have to

1112
00:39:53,115 --> 00:39:54,283
reconstruct them.

1113
00:39:54,283 --> 00:39:55,283
>> Yeah. Commissioner Nowicki,

1114
00:39:55,283 --> 00:39:57,252
you had a.

1115
00:39:57,252 --> 00:39:58,620
>> Thank you chair. You know,

1116
00:39:58,620 --> 00:39:59,454
these three millages are

1117
00:39:59,454 --> 00:40:01,289
obviously a lot of money, and

1118
00:40:01,289 --> 00:40:02,391
the county has done a really

1119
00:40:02,391 --> 00:40:04,659
great job. It sounds like of,

1120
00:40:04,659 --> 00:40:07,590
you know, getting from 1200

1121
00:40:07,228 --> 00:40:10,650
miles to 200 miles worth of

1122
00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:11,266
roads and hundreds of miles of

1123
00:40:11,266 --> 00:40:13,769
sidewalk down to just, you know,

1124
00:40:13,769 --> 00:40:17,573
a few sidewalks. I mean, can we

1125
00:40:17,573 --> 00:40:19,508
get like a report showing like

1126
00:40:19,508 --> 00:40:20,742
when we started, you know,

1127
00:40:20,742 --> 00:40:22,100
halfway through and where we're

1128
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,778
at now? I mean, because I just

1129
00:40:23,778 --> 00:40:24,913
don't understand how we have to

1130
00:40:24,913 --> 00:40:27,810
be collecting the same amount

1131
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:28,884
of money, but we're not doing

1132
00:40:28,884 --> 00:40:30,285
1200 miles of roads anymore.

1133
00:40:30,285 --> 00:40:32,200
>> We, we provided a report

1134
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,955
back in APRIL. I think it was

1135
00:40:33,955 --> 00:40:35,957
that where we and Kelly has a

1136
00:40:35,957 --> 00:40:37,525
live dashboard. So you can see

1137
00:40:37,525 --> 00:40:38,693
that. So we're getting there

1138
00:40:38,693 --> 00:40:40,428
and we'll we'll push that back

1139
00:40:40,428 --> 00:40:41,396
out to you. Yeah. You know yeah.

1140
00:40:41,396 --> 00:40:43,298
>> Because I mean, if.

1141
00:40:43,298 --> 00:40:44,232
>> We're able to provide this

1142
00:40:44,232 --> 00:40:45,367
information, we're getting

1143
00:40:45,367 --> 00:40:46,501
there. But I will tell you,

1144
00:40:46,501 --> 00:40:48,337
when we started, what did

1145
00:40:48,337 --> 00:40:50,138
Elaine Mile Road cost and what

1146
00:40:50,138 --> 00:40:52,974
does it cost today? It's also,

1147
00:40:52,974 --> 00:40:55,777
you know, more than doubled in

1148
00:40:55,777 --> 00:40:57,790
price. And so there's a lot of

1149
00:40:57,790 --> 00:40:58,913
factors that go into that. But,

1150
00:40:58,913 --> 00:41:00,181
you know, it has been a very

1151
00:41:00,181 --> 00:41:02,317
good fund, but we're still not

1152
00:41:02,317 --> 00:41:03,170
caught up. And so we'll.

1153
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:04,218
>> Never be.

1154
00:41:04,218 --> 00:41:06,200
>> You said and I said.

1155
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:06,354
>> We'll always have a few

1156
00:41:06,354 --> 00:41:08,156
hundred miles.

1157
00:41:08,156 --> 00:41:09,291
>> We will. But and it's and

1158
00:41:09,291 --> 00:41:11,260
it's a very fair question,

1159
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:12,193
Commissioner. I mean, it is a

1160
00:41:12,193 --> 00:41:13,995
very fair question. I've asked

1161
00:41:13,995 --> 00:41:15,196
Kelly that same thing. You know,

1162
00:41:15,196 --> 00:41:16,965
when when can we see a less

1163
00:41:16,965 --> 00:41:18,132
reliance on that general fund?

1164
00:41:18,132 --> 00:41:19,267
And and we're getting there.

1165
00:41:19,267 --> 00:41:21,136
And that's the reason we've put

1166
00:41:21,136 --> 00:41:22,200
on that increment as a start of

1167
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:22,970
that discussion.

1168
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:24,105
>> I appreciate it.

1169
00:41:24,105 --> 00:41:25,673
>> I would imagine ongoing

1170
00:41:25,673 --> 00:41:27,909
every year, additional roads

1171
00:41:27,909 --> 00:41:29,411
come onto the we need to get

1172
00:41:29,411 --> 00:41:31,480
them fixed. So we're always

1173
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,800
kind of going through this, the

1174
00:41:35,817 --> 00:41:37,218
loop every 15 years or so.

1175
00:41:37,218 --> 00:41:39,200
>> And you know, the, the, the

1176
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,355
issues with culverts and

1177
00:41:40,355 --> 00:41:41,723
drainage ways and bridges,

1178
00:41:41,723 --> 00:41:43,358
those are those are just longer

1179
00:41:43,358 --> 00:41:45,920
lead items. And so we only

1180
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,962
started this about what, 4 or 5

1181
00:41:46,962 --> 00:41:49,597
years ago. And so we've, you

1182
00:41:49,597 --> 00:41:50,865
know, resurfacing is easy. It's

1183
00:41:50,865 --> 00:41:52,600
more it's more complex when you

1184
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:52,800
get into drainage and things

1185
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,468
like.

1186
00:41:54,468 --> 00:41:55,269
>> That, then the bridges

1187
00:41:55,269 --> 00:41:56,638
themselves. Are we getting

1188
00:41:56,638 --> 00:41:58,839
money from the penny for

1189
00:41:58,839 --> 00:42:01,342
bridges? It's not just this,

1190
00:42:01,342 --> 00:42:04,342
it's not just this millage.

1191
00:42:04,545 --> 00:42:06,414
>> It's bridges usually require

1192
00:42:06,414 --> 00:42:09,414
multiple sources of funds. And

1193
00:42:11,353 --> 00:42:12,753
so my guess is, I mean. I can't

1194
00:42:12,753 --> 00:42:15,753
understand you, Kelly. So come

1195
00:42:16,557 --> 00:42:17,925
on up.

1196
00:42:17,925 --> 00:42:18,626
>> Replacement bridges

1197
00:42:18,626 --> 00:42:20,626
independent.

1198
00:42:21,162 --> 00:42:23,330
>> So we use penny to replace

1199
00:42:23,330 --> 00:42:25,990
bridges but not to maintain. So

1200
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:26,233
the clerk has a very specific

1201
00:42:26,233 --> 00:42:28,335
definition of what a capital

1202
00:42:28,335 --> 00:42:30,471
investment is in a bridge. And

1203
00:42:30,471 --> 00:42:32,307
therefore maintenance items

1204
00:42:32,307 --> 00:42:33,541
even though they MAY be very

1205
00:42:33,541 --> 00:42:34,875
expensive don't trigger capital.

1206
00:42:34,875 --> 00:42:36,511
Like for example, we're getting

1207
00:42:36,511 --> 00:42:38,546
ready to do about two and a

1208
00:42:38,546 --> 00:42:39,714
half between two and a half and

1209
00:42:39,714 --> 00:42:40,781
$3 million worth of maintenance

1210
00:42:40,781 --> 00:42:42,650
on the Dunedin Causeway, and we

1211
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:44,486
can't use penny for that. We're

1212
00:42:44,486 --> 00:42:44,785
using this money for that.

1213
00:42:44,785 --> 00:42:45,353
>> Oh, okay.

1214
00:42:45,353 --> 00:42:47,353
>> Yeah.

1215
00:42:47,455 --> 00:42:49,455
>> And and okay.

1216
00:42:49,556 --> 00:42:51,556
>> All right.

1217
00:42:52,927 --> 00:42:54,662
>> Thanks. Commissioner. Scott,

1218
00:42:54,662 --> 00:42:57,132
do you have a question? Hold on.

1219
00:42:57,132 --> 00:42:57,965
Did you finish Commissioner

1220
00:42:57,965 --> 00:42:59,834
Scott?

1221
00:42:59,834 --> 00:43:00,367
>> Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. Is

1222
00:43:00,367 --> 00:43:02,690
that because of the ballot

1223
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:04,705
language that we used last time

1224
00:43:04,705 --> 00:43:06,507
for for Penny specifically or.

1225
00:43:06,507 --> 00:43:08,676
>> Yeah, it's it's the penny by

1226
00:43:08,676 --> 00:43:10,845
state statute is for brick and

1227
00:43:10,845 --> 00:43:11,879
mortar infrastructure, not

1228
00:43:11,879 --> 00:43:13,380
operations, not maintenance.

1229
00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:14,915
>> Okay. So it's not so we

1230
00:43:14,915 --> 00:43:16,840
couldn't like, if we wanted to

1231
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,351
change the ballot language

1232
00:43:17,351 --> 00:43:18,720
going forward, that wouldn't

1233
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,720
change that.

1234
00:43:20,955 --> 00:43:22,323
>> We could look into it, but

1235
00:43:22,323 --> 00:43:24,292
probably not.

1236
00:43:24,292 --> 00:43:25,659
>> So if you were just repaving

1237
00:43:25,659 --> 00:43:27,395
the road, that's maintenance.

1238
00:43:27,395 --> 00:43:28,763
And that's why we have this

1239
00:43:28,763 --> 00:43:30,640
additional fund. If the roads

1240
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,667
get so bad that you're having

1241
00:43:32,667 --> 00:43:34,869
to redo the roads, reconstruct

1242
00:43:34,869 --> 00:43:37,104
the roads. Is that capital?

1243
00:43:37,104 --> 00:43:38,380
>> Yes, that's I'm looking at

1244
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:39,607
Kelly nodding. Yes.

1245
00:43:39,607 --> 00:43:42,760
>> Okay. So those roads, those

1246
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,645
those those those roads would

1247
00:43:44,645 --> 00:43:46,147
probably be eligible for penny.

1248
00:43:46,147 --> 00:43:48,249
The reconstructing the ones

1249
00:43:48,249 --> 00:43:49,983
that are so bad that we have to

1250
00:43:49,983 --> 00:43:51,551
reconstruct.

1251
00:43:51,551 --> 00:43:52,753
>> Resurface.

1252
00:43:52,753 --> 00:43:54,454
>> Oh, she's saying resurfacing

1253
00:43:54,454 --> 00:43:55,990
is capital resurfacing. So we

1254
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:56,423
have we have flexibility there.

1255
00:43:56,423 --> 00:43:57,591
Okay.

1256
00:43:57,591 --> 00:43:58,292
>> But didn't that mean. But

1257
00:43:58,292 --> 00:43:59,160
again you've got three

1258
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,995
different things.

1259
00:44:00,995 --> 00:44:02,429
>> You have Penny, you have the

1260
00:44:02,429 --> 00:44:04,650
gas tax. Okay. And then now you

1261
00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:05,498
have these increments. So a

1262
00:44:05,498 --> 00:44:06,601
little bit different

1263
00:44:06,601 --> 00:44:09,601
definitions on some, but not

1264
00:44:10,237 --> 00:44:11,672
all. Okay. But but we've put on

1265
00:44:11,672 --> 00:44:13,407
the third millage to try. I

1266
00:44:13,407 --> 00:44:14,608
mean, because this is there's

1267
00:44:14,608 --> 00:44:16,543
no right or wrong answer. This

1268
00:44:16,543 --> 00:44:17,745
is a balance on how much do you

1269
00:44:17,745 --> 00:44:19,446
put into infrastructure. How

1270
00:44:19,446 --> 00:44:21,381
much do you put on trying to,

1271
00:44:21,381 --> 00:44:23,216
you know, ease the rate. But if

1272
00:44:23,216 --> 00:44:24,618
you look at the yellow and the

1273
00:44:24,618 --> 00:44:27,521
items that we've identified in

1274
00:44:27,521 --> 00:44:31,121
the orange, that would get you

1275
00:44:31,825 --> 00:44:33,227
to 50% of a of a rollback. And,

1276
00:44:33,227 --> 00:44:35,529
and I've heard pretty clearly

1277
00:44:35,529 --> 00:44:37,965
from the board of your desire,

1278
00:44:37,965 --> 00:44:39,166
you know, to do this. So that's

1279
00:44:39,166 --> 00:44:40,934
the reason we kind of come up

1280
00:44:40,934 --> 00:44:42,236
with these ideas for discussion

1281
00:44:42,236 --> 00:44:44,138
on today. And I'm going to I'm

1282
00:44:44,138 --> 00:44:45,939
going to get to the end here.

1283
00:44:45,939 --> 00:44:47,207
And then, you know, turn that

1284
00:44:47,207 --> 00:44:48,208
back to you to where you can

1285
00:44:48,208 --> 00:44:49,243
have these future.

1286
00:44:49,243 --> 00:44:50,210
>> Further discussion. Very

1287
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:52,450
mechanically, I'm trying to get

1288
00:44:52,450 --> 00:44:53,380
wrap my head around the the

1289
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:54,114
third millage. Are you

1290
00:44:54,114 --> 00:44:56,514
proposing to reduce those

1291
00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:58,118
millage or use the revenues to

1292
00:44:58,118 --> 00:44:58,952
offset general fund to send it

1293
00:44:58,952 --> 00:45:00,821
to general funds?

1294
00:45:00,821 --> 00:45:02,220
>> What we would do, we would

1295
00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:03,557
only transfer half of that

1296
00:45:03,557 --> 00:45:05,292
millage amount, and then that

1297
00:45:05,292 --> 00:45:07,494
would enable you to do a

1298
00:45:07,494 --> 00:45:09,596
property tax rate reduction.

1299
00:45:09,596 --> 00:45:12,990
>> Okay. So you would hold that.

1300
00:45:12,990 --> 00:45:15,699
Okay. Yeah. And so but there'll

1301
00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:17,170
still be like $30 million and

1302
00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:18,605
those, those coming in.

1303
00:45:18,605 --> 00:45:19,539
>> Oh yeah. Yeah, we're only

1304
00:45:19,539 --> 00:45:20,674
reducing it down by.

1305
00:45:20,674 --> 00:45:22,910
>> There's still a ton coming

1306
00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:25,479
in for those projects, but we

1307
00:45:25,479 --> 00:45:26,513
just hold a million. Five.

1308
00:45:26,513 --> 00:45:26,846
Correct.

1309
00:45:26,846 --> 00:45:27,714
>> 40 million.

1310
00:45:27,714 --> 00:45:29,549
>> Yeah.

1311
00:45:29,549 --> 00:45:30,718
>> I didn't get the last number

1312
00:45:30,718 --> 00:45:31,752
written down. So I was just

1313
00:45:31,752 --> 00:45:33,587
estimating from what I heard.

1314
00:45:33,587 --> 00:45:34,822
So what's that. 17. So 40

1315
00:45:34,822 --> 00:45:35,220
million is still coming forward.

1316
00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:36,590
Yeah.

1317
00:45:36,590 --> 00:45:39,192
>> So it's it's still a

1318
00:45:39,192 --> 00:45:41,161
tremendous amount of money. So

1319
00:45:41,161 --> 00:45:42,362
45.7 is the total. So you'd be

1320
00:45:42,362 --> 00:45:44,331
reducing it by a man and a half.

1321
00:45:44,331 --> 00:45:46,233
>> As long as we're on it. I

1322
00:45:46,233 --> 00:45:46,466
don't think that's a problem

1323
00:45:46,466 --> 00:45:48,268
for me.

1324
00:45:48,268 --> 00:45:49,369
>> So okay. So so those are

1325
00:45:49,369 --> 00:45:50,370
just again these are just

1326
00:45:50,370 --> 00:45:51,505
discussion points for you.

1327
00:45:51,505 --> 00:45:53,274
We've heard you, we've trying

1328
00:45:53,274 --> 00:45:55,175
to trying to respond to that.

1329
00:45:55,175 --> 00:45:56,309
And we went back and looked at

1330
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:58,545
our budgets, you know, to try

1331
00:45:58,545 --> 00:46:01,414
to do that. Now to go further

1332
00:46:01,414 --> 00:46:02,915
than that, it gets more dicey.

1333
00:46:02,915 --> 00:46:05,419
And we really got to start

1334
00:46:05,419 --> 00:46:06,954
looking at programs. And so

1335
00:46:06,954 --> 00:46:08,254
there we've talked about and,

1336
00:46:08,254 --> 00:46:09,723
you know, you've heard, you

1337
00:46:09,723 --> 00:46:11,191
know, the sheriff, he opposes

1338
00:46:11,191 --> 00:46:12,125
this. But I, you know, again,

1339
00:46:12,125 --> 00:46:15,125
everything should be on the

1340
00:46:15,595 --> 00:46:17,998
table is what I've heard. So

1341
00:46:17,998 --> 00:46:19,132
sheriff's, you know, 45% of our

1342
00:46:19,132 --> 00:46:21,680
budget of our general fund

1343
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:22,301
budget. And so if we get if we

1344
00:46:22,301 --> 00:46:24,137
get more than that, then then

1345
00:46:24,137 --> 00:46:26,390
he needs to be part of that

1346
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:27,240
solution. And so that would be.

1347
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,750
And that's where we go to the

1348
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:30,143
green, where we would ask the

1349
00:46:30,143 --> 00:46:31,311
sheriff to contribute. That'd

1350
00:46:31,311 --> 00:46:33,112
be 2.8 million. And how he

1351
00:46:33,112 --> 00:46:34,181
figures what he chooses to do

1352
00:46:34,181 --> 00:46:37,181
is, is up to him.

1353
00:46:37,517 --> 00:46:39,619
>> And that's just for context.

1354
00:46:39,619 --> 00:46:41,210
Again, his budget went up a

1355
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:42,890
certain amount this year in his

1356
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:44,324
first proposed budget. And then

1357
00:46:44,324 --> 00:46:46,827
he's brought it back down.

1358
00:46:46,827 --> 00:46:47,727
>> Yeah. His budget went up 29.

1359
00:46:47,727 --> 00:46:49,727
>> In the original.

1360
00:46:49,763 --> 00:46:51,230
>> In the original was 29. And

1361
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:52,965
then with and then we asked him

1362
00:46:52,965 --> 00:46:54,801
to reduce it and he come down.

1363
00:46:54,801 --> 00:46:56,202
Seven. So it's still about 22.

1364
00:46:56,202 --> 00:46:57,271
>> About 22 and this would come

1365
00:46:57,271 --> 00:46:58,905
off of that.

1366
00:46:58,905 --> 00:47:00,473
>> 22 this would be more. Yes,

1367
00:47:00,473 --> 00:47:00,907
we'd be asking for additional

1368
00:47:00,907 --> 00:47:02,109
amounts.

1369
00:47:02,109 --> 00:47:03,142
>> Okay. Just want to make sure

1370
00:47:03,142 --> 00:47:05,440
I'm clear. Go ahead.

1371
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,947
>> And so then that would get

1372
00:47:06,947 --> 00:47:08,148
you to 75% of a rollback. And

1373
00:47:08,148 --> 00:47:09,849
then to get to 100% rollback,

1374
00:47:09,849 --> 00:47:11,170
my recommendation, we'd have to

1375
00:47:11,170 --> 00:47:12,520
really look at programs. I've

1376
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,853
listed out programs here and

1377
00:47:13,853 --> 00:47:15,589
you know, things like our bake

1378
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:17,190
care home care program, that's

1379
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:18,525
100,000, the social action

1380
00:47:18,525 --> 00:47:21,525
funding. That's the piece that

1381
00:47:21,761 --> 00:47:22,829
we are recommending we keep,

1382
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:25,829
which is ongoing programs, is

1383
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,100
600 000 is our Scattered Sites

1384
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:29,636
program. It's support services

1385
00:47:29,636 --> 00:47:30,637
that people that have

1386
00:47:30,637 --> 00:47:31,604
experienced chronic

1387
00:47:31,604 --> 00:47:33,640
homelessness and trying to keep

1388
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,176
them into stable housing. And

1389
00:47:36,176 --> 00:47:38,778
so again, that's a program that

1390
00:47:38,778 --> 00:47:41,514
we Karen supports. She thinks

1391
00:47:41,514 --> 00:47:42,682
it has good measurable outcomes,

1392
00:47:42,682 --> 00:47:44,818
but it's not something we have

1393
00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:46,920
to do. And so we could

1394
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,540
eliminate that. We put on the

1395
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:50,690
act. That's that's small, but

1396
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:52,592
that's a, that's a, a, a, these

1397
00:47:52,592 --> 00:47:53,760
are the types of things that we

1398
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,628
don't have to do. And so, you

1399
00:47:55,628 --> 00:47:56,995
know, we're just listing out

1400
00:47:56,995 --> 00:47:58,995
different ideas, animal

1401
00:48:02,102 --> 00:48:03,302
services. We do the. Capture

1402
00:48:03,302 --> 00:48:06,390
spayed and release. I forget

1403
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:07,373
the terminology. And then and

1404
00:48:07,373 --> 00:48:10,343
then additional parts of the

1405
00:48:10,343 --> 00:48:12,440
third millage we would need to.

1406
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,213
And so we have those ideas.

1407
00:48:13,213 --> 00:48:14,680
There are other ideas, but

1408
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,820
they're programmatic. You know,

1409
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:18,284
do you want, you know, do you

1410
00:48:18,284 --> 00:48:18,951
know, what do we want to cut

1411
00:48:18,951 --> 00:48:20,820
programmatically because it

1412
00:48:20,820 --> 00:48:22,555
needs to be sustainable,

1413
00:48:22,555 --> 00:48:24,324
ongoing cost if we're going to

1414
00:48:24,324 --> 00:48:25,491
adjust, but we can get you

1415
00:48:25,491 --> 00:48:27,427
there. We've looked and pushed

1416
00:48:27,427 --> 00:48:28,695
our departments just to remind

1417
00:48:28,695 --> 00:48:31,164
you, I mean, if you look back

1418
00:48:31,164 --> 00:48:34,500
on your second page, you know,

1419
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,302
the, our over the last, you

1420
00:48:36,302 --> 00:48:37,737
know, what, you know, five, six,

1421
00:48:37,737 --> 00:48:38,538
seven years, your county

1422
00:48:38,538 --> 00:48:40,538
administrative departments, a

1423
00:48:41,641 --> 00:48:43,476
total of 5.6%. The growth is in

1424
00:48:43,476 --> 00:48:44,844
the sheriff's office. It's all

1425
00:48:44,844 --> 00:48:47,713
people based. You've heard him

1426
00:48:47,713 --> 00:48:49,215
before, you know, and and so

1427
00:48:49,215 --> 00:48:51,183
that's a and that's also the

1428
00:48:51,183 --> 00:48:53,552
largest share of your budget.

1429
00:48:53,552 --> 00:48:56,389
If you go to the third page

1430
00:48:56,389 --> 00:48:58,591
that shows you in real dollars

1431
00:48:58,591 --> 00:49:00,860
26 to 27, the departments that

1432
00:49:00,860 --> 00:49:02,495
report to you there. I mean,

1433
00:49:02,495 --> 00:49:04,363
we're, we're down, you know,

1434
00:49:04,363 --> 00:49:05,465
we're and we've tried to hold

1435
00:49:05,465 --> 00:49:07,633
the line. And then the last

1436
00:49:07,633 --> 00:49:10,803
page kind of kind of shows you

1437
00:49:10,803 --> 00:49:11,837
that in real dollars. So again,

1438
00:49:11,837 --> 00:49:13,305
this is just additional

1439
00:49:13,305 --> 00:49:15,305
information for your

1440
00:49:15,508 --> 00:49:17,908
consideration with that. That

1441
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:19,445
concludes my presentation.

1442
00:49:19,445 --> 00:49:20,512
>> All of these, all of these

1443
00:49:20,512 --> 00:49:22,912
reductions that we're talking

1444
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:25,415
about, they're all ongoing

1445
00:49:25,918 --> 00:49:28,721
monies that's ongoing relief as

1446
00:49:28,721 --> 00:49:30,256
opposed to looking at that last

1447
00:49:30,256 --> 00:49:31,457
page real quick. And I

1448
00:49:31,457 --> 00:49:33,159
apologize for being late. And

1449
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:35,559
thank you, Commissioner, for

1450
00:49:36,429 --> 00:49:37,430
for standing in. So I MAY be

1451
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:39,632
saying something you guys have

1452
00:49:39,632 --> 00:49:41,767
already talked about, but I'm

1453
00:49:41,767 --> 00:49:43,469
seeing things like a reserve

1454
00:49:43,469 --> 00:49:45,400
change. That's just really a

1455
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,838
one time.

1456
00:49:46,838 --> 00:49:49,838
>> Well, the reserve. So again,

1457
00:49:50,443 --> 00:49:54,643
we, we, we've, we've, so we had

1458
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,215
the 4.7 of reserves. These were

1459
00:49:56,215 --> 00:49:57,550
dedicated reserves, not real

1460
00:49:57,550 --> 00:49:58,718
reserves. We want to keep our

1461
00:49:58,718 --> 00:50:00,619
reserve levels the same, but we

1462
00:50:00,619 --> 00:50:02,454
want to take the 4.7 and put it

1463
00:50:02,454 --> 00:50:03,622
towards a future bond payment

1464
00:50:03,622 --> 00:50:05,924
for the new campus. We need to

1465
00:50:05,924 --> 00:50:07,425
prepare for that. However, I

1466
00:50:07,425 --> 00:50:09,610
also heard you loud and clear

1467
00:50:09,610 --> 00:50:10,595
that you don't want to do the

1468
00:50:10,595 --> 00:50:12,397
recommended changes to Wheaton

1469
00:50:12,397 --> 00:50:14,633
Island. So then that 4.7 goes

1470
00:50:14,633 --> 00:50:17,360
to about 4.2. Right? And so we

1471
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,905
would transfer that amount over

1472
00:50:18,905 --> 00:50:20,973
restore Wheaton Island cuts for

1473
00:50:20,973 --> 00:50:22,740
one year, which is what I think

1474
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:24,900
you directed while we try to

1475
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:25,143
work with the state. And then

1476
00:50:25,143 --> 00:50:26,378
and we would transfer the

1477
00:50:26,378 --> 00:50:28,581
remaining amount towards that

1478
00:50:28,581 --> 00:50:30,750
future bond payment. So that's

1479
00:50:30,750 --> 00:50:32,451
the transfers hold, hold steady.

1480
00:50:32,451 --> 00:50:34,353
And then any of these other

1481
00:50:34,353 --> 00:50:36,880
reductions are things that are

1482
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:37,223
ongoing. So if you eliminate a

1483
00:50:37,223 --> 00:50:38,490
program, well then you don't

1484
00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:40,125
have that cost next year either.

1485
00:50:40,125 --> 00:50:41,193
And so it's sustainable year

1486
00:50:41,193 --> 00:50:42,261
after year. So any of the

1487
00:50:42,261 --> 00:50:44,261
proposed recommendations we

1488
00:50:44,396 --> 00:50:46,498
have in here are sustainable

1489
00:50:46,498 --> 00:50:46,732
year after year.

1490
00:50:46,732 --> 00:50:48,732
>> Okay.

1491
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,269
>> All right. Thank you. Yes,

1492
00:50:51,269 --> 00:50:52,537
Commissioner flowers.

1493
00:50:52,537 --> 00:50:54,239
>> Thank you, MR. Chair. Thank

1494
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,241
you very much, Barry and Chris

1495
00:50:56,241 --> 00:50:59,211
and staff, for bringing this

1496
00:50:59,211 --> 00:51:00,945
information forward. Kelly, I

1497
00:51:00,945 --> 00:51:04,483
bet she feels like she's on

1498
00:51:04,483 --> 00:51:07,786
Name That Tune today for the

1499
00:51:07,786 --> 00:51:10,322
docks and Davits or any dock

1500
00:51:10,322 --> 00:51:12,722
reconstruction. Were there any

1501
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,661
new rules that came out for

1502
00:51:15,661 --> 00:51:18,610
construction and maintenance of

1503
00:51:18,897 --> 00:51:20,980
those as it relates to

1504
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:22,134
Hurricane Selina and Milton

1505
00:51:22,134 --> 00:51:23,902
because of the severe damage?

1506
00:51:23,902 --> 00:51:25,370
And just like they are

1507
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:26,905
requiring homes to be built up

1508
00:51:26,905 --> 00:51:29,410
and above, were there any new

1509
00:51:29,410 --> 00:51:30,542
requirements added to the

1510
00:51:30,542 --> 00:51:32,110
installation and maintenance of

1511
00:51:32,110 --> 00:51:33,679
docks? When it comes to the

1512
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:35,130
permitting piece?

1513
00:51:35,130 --> 00:51:37,115
>> No. As a matter of fact,

1514
00:51:37,115 --> 00:51:39,450
during the after those events,

1515
00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:42,450
we waived all the permitting

1516
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,157
fees. And so, you know, we were

1517
00:51:45,157 --> 00:51:46,424
just they come in and just let

1518
00:51:46,424 --> 00:51:48,225
us know that we're just putting

1519
00:51:48,225 --> 00:51:49,928
it back as is. And then we

1520
00:51:49,928 --> 00:51:51,330
would update the system. So we

1521
00:51:51,330 --> 00:51:52,798
waived all that. But our

1522
00:51:52,798 --> 00:51:55,198
regulations, no, they changed.

1523
00:51:55,734 --> 00:51:57,202
I will say the the docks and

1524
00:51:57,202 --> 00:51:59,900
stuff that we're working on for

1525
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:01,106
the Parks Department. Yes. We

1526
00:52:01,106 --> 00:52:01,406
have to build them to a higher

1527
00:52:01,406 --> 00:52:03,406
standard.

1528
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:06,578
>> Okay, that was my point. And

1529
00:52:06,578 --> 00:52:07,645
so thank you. That was for you.

1530
00:52:07,645 --> 00:52:10,382
Thank you very much. I

1531
00:52:10,382 --> 00:52:12,684
appreciate it, Barry, for the

1532
00:52:12,684 --> 00:52:14,185
personnel lapse. I get it that,

1533
00:52:14,185 --> 00:52:15,787
you know, we do have ebbs and

1534
00:52:15,787 --> 00:52:18,787
flows within personnel within a

1535
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:20,525
year. So there MAY be more

1536
00:52:20,525 --> 00:52:22,661
there MAY be fewer dollars

1537
00:52:22,661 --> 00:52:25,661
needed to cover personnel costs.

1538
00:52:26,631 --> 00:52:28,933
So when you have your. When you

1539
00:52:28,933 --> 00:52:31,370
have your exercise for the

1540
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:33,872
different departments to do the

1541
00:52:33,872 --> 00:52:36,740
internal reductions of 3%. And

1542
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:38,877
if a department fills that

1543
00:52:38,877 --> 00:52:39,944
position, how will that be

1544
00:52:39,944 --> 00:52:41,713
addressed going forward for the

1545
00:52:41,713 --> 00:52:43,548
next fiscal year?

1546
00:52:43,548 --> 00:52:44,549
>> Well, we do a we don't

1547
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:46,785
address it by specific

1548
00:52:46,785 --> 00:52:48,987
positions. We look at at, you

1549
00:52:48,987 --> 00:52:50,722
know, multi year turnover rates

1550
00:52:50,722 --> 00:52:52,257
within a department. Different

1551
00:52:52,257 --> 00:52:53,992
ones will have different levels

1552
00:52:53,992 --> 00:52:54,960
of turnover. There MAY be a

1553
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,161
really small department where

1554
00:52:56,161 --> 00:52:57,963
they don't have a lot of

1555
00:52:57,963 --> 00:52:59,231
turnover. We MAY budget them at

1556
00:52:59,231 --> 00:53:00,498
100%. And so they MAY actually

1557
00:53:00,498 --> 00:53:01,933
have somebody leave. But we

1558
00:53:01,933 --> 00:53:03,701
don't necessarily budget that.

1559
00:53:03,701 --> 00:53:05,504
But like a Kelly's department

1560
00:53:05,504 --> 00:53:06,571
where you have a lot of

1561
00:53:06,571 --> 00:53:07,539
different positions that have

1562
00:53:07,539 --> 00:53:09,173
turnover, where then we're

1563
00:53:09,173 --> 00:53:10,909
going to look at over over

1564
00:53:10,909 --> 00:53:12,744
several years, what's the

1565
00:53:12,744 --> 00:53:14,179
average amount of turnover? And

1566
00:53:14,179 --> 00:53:16,280
then we'll reduce that amount

1567
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,830
out of the budgeted salaries.

1568
00:53:18,830 --> 00:53:19,551
And so those are incorporated

1569
00:53:19,551 --> 00:53:21,520
into the budget recommendations

1570
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,454
that you have before you.

1571
00:53:22,454 --> 00:53:24,588
>> Okay. And so that has no

1572
00:53:24,588 --> 00:53:26,457
effect on the 50 plus county

1573
00:53:26,457 --> 00:53:26,791
positions that you presented to

1574
00:53:26,791 --> 00:53:28,560
us.

1575
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,393
>> No, those were those

1576
00:53:29,393 --> 00:53:31,195
positions. And okay.

1577
00:53:31,195 --> 00:53:32,897
>> Yeah, we, we, we, we looked

1578
00:53:32,897 --> 00:53:34,432
at the positions that we could

1579
00:53:34,432 --> 00:53:35,800
reduce down. That's how we got

1580
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,235
to where we're multi-million

1581
00:53:37,235 --> 00:53:39,437
dollar down for the department

1582
00:53:39,437 --> 00:53:41,505
to report to you. So, you know,

1583
00:53:41,505 --> 00:53:44,375
we, we looked at those targeted

1584
00:53:44,375 --> 00:53:46,211
positions and said that we can

1585
00:53:46,211 --> 00:53:47,445
reorganize and find

1586
00:53:47,445 --> 00:53:49,147
efficiencies and do without

1587
00:53:49,147 --> 00:53:50,548
those positions on an ongoing

1588
00:53:50,548 --> 00:53:52,417
basis. So those were already

1589
00:53:52,417 --> 00:53:54,152
baked into the recommendations

1590
00:53:54,152 --> 00:53:56,321
that are before you. On top of

1591
00:53:56,321 --> 00:53:58,790
that, we also have reduced down

1592
00:53:58,790 --> 00:54:01,190
the salary vacancy rate.

1593
00:54:08,866 --> 00:54:12,137
>> Okay. And then. For. The the

1594
00:54:12,137 --> 00:54:13,838
general fund, because, you know,

1595
00:54:13,838 --> 00:54:15,706
when we talk about, which I

1596
00:54:15,706 --> 00:54:18,106
support reducing the dollar

1597
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:22,580
value that we pay for any type

1598
00:54:22,580 --> 00:54:25,115
of possible study, you know, so

1599
00:54:25,115 --> 00:54:26,518
we're saying if we have to have

1600
00:54:26,518 --> 00:54:27,652
another study that comes on

1601
00:54:27,652 --> 00:54:29,120
board because we need sometimes

1602
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,488
that match to go with other

1603
00:54:30,488 --> 00:54:31,989
funds. And of course, we

1604
00:54:31,989 --> 00:54:32,991
sometimes can't move forward on

1605
00:54:32,991 --> 00:54:35,250
projects until we have the

1606
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:36,961
study for the data to show that

1607
00:54:36,961 --> 00:54:38,796
we can move forward. We have a

1608
00:54:38,796 --> 00:54:40,198
lot of things that MAY

1609
00:54:40,198 --> 00:54:43,333
potentially have to come out of

1610
00:54:43,333 --> 00:54:47,533
the general fund. And so do you

1611
00:54:47,872 --> 00:54:50,641
feel comfortable with. Some of

1612
00:54:50,641 --> 00:54:52,476
the things that we're reducing,

1613
00:54:52,476 --> 00:54:55,313
but saying we MAY have to tap

1614
00:54:55,313 --> 00:54:56,881
the general fund to provide for

1615
00:54:56,881 --> 00:54:59,317
those things going forward if

1616
00:54:59,317 --> 00:54:59,984
we have the need. Do you feel

1617
00:54:59,984 --> 00:55:01,519
comfortable?

1618
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:03,321
>> Yeah, it's it's a hard it's

1619
00:55:03,321 --> 00:55:04,422
a hard one to answer because

1620
00:55:04,422 --> 00:55:05,723
you're you're trying to guess

1621
00:55:05,723 --> 00:55:08,325
what's going to happen over the

1622
00:55:08,325 --> 00:55:10,794
next, you know, year. Right.

1623
00:55:10,794 --> 00:55:12,229
And, but, you know, just like

1624
00:55:12,229 --> 00:55:14,650
last year, I think, you know,

1625
00:55:14,650 --> 00:55:15,500
we decided to do when we did

1626
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:16,968
strategic planning, we

1627
00:55:16,968 --> 00:55:19,103
typically bring in a consultant

1628
00:55:19,103 --> 00:55:20,571
and we in this discussion, we

1629
00:55:20,571 --> 00:55:21,939
said, let's do it ourselves.

1630
00:55:21,939 --> 00:55:23,207
Right. But I couldn't have

1631
00:55:23,207 --> 00:55:25,175
predicted that when we did the

1632
00:55:25,175 --> 00:55:26,644
budget, you know, and so things

1633
00:55:26,644 --> 00:55:28,713
like that, we're trying to use

1634
00:55:28,713 --> 00:55:31,150
less consultants and try to be

1635
00:55:31,150 --> 00:55:32,750
more efficient. But things like

1636
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:34,185
the fleet operation, we

1637
00:55:34,185 --> 00:55:35,719
couldn't do that internally. We

1638
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,455
needed someone in the potential

1639
00:55:37,455 --> 00:55:39,390
for for long term savings is

1640
00:55:39,390 --> 00:55:41,124
great. So there, we needed some

1641
00:55:41,124 --> 00:55:42,527
outside assistance. So we, we

1642
00:55:42,527 --> 00:55:44,395
try to make those judgment

1643
00:55:44,395 --> 00:55:46,290
calls. But each time, you know,

1644
00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:47,598
we look at particular areas,

1645
00:55:47,598 --> 00:55:50,168
you know, we'll need that if we

1646
00:55:50,168 --> 00:55:51,669
exceed the 500, I think the 500

1647
00:55:51,669 --> 00:55:53,671
000 is good for an ongoing

1648
00:55:53,671 --> 00:55:55,439
basis year after year. If for

1649
00:55:55,439 --> 00:55:56,573
this next year, we have a

1650
00:55:56,573 --> 00:55:57,908
discussion in here and we want

1651
00:55:57,908 --> 00:55:59,543
to do something different. Well,

1652
00:55:59,543 --> 00:56:01,479
we do have reserves. We don't

1653
00:56:01,479 --> 00:56:02,713
like to tap reserves, but we do

1654
00:56:02,713 --> 00:56:04,448
have that. If we feel that we

1655
00:56:04,448 --> 00:56:06,584
need to push something forward

1656
00:56:06,584 --> 00:56:08,419
and do that. So I'm comfortable

1657
00:56:08,419 --> 00:56:10,187
with that recommendation.

1658
00:56:10,187 --> 00:56:13,787
>> Okay. And then if if my

1659
00:56:14,191 --> 00:56:15,192
memory serves me correct, when

1660
00:56:15,192 --> 00:56:17,128
Commissioner Scott first came

1661
00:56:17,128 --> 00:56:17,728
on board, we had a lot of good

1662
00:56:17,728 --> 00:56:19,728
discussion about the

1663
00:56:20,330 --> 00:56:21,665
transportation gas tax and what

1664
00:56:21,665 --> 00:56:23,868
that will be used for and

1665
00:56:23,868 --> 00:56:25,669
whether or not we could lobby

1666
00:56:25,669 --> 00:56:28,690
our legislative delegation in

1667
00:56:28,939 --> 00:56:30,841
that regard. And I think it MAY

1668
00:56:30,841 --> 00:56:32,175
have been on our I'm going to

1669
00:56:32,175 --> 00:56:35,775
call it our elevator wish list.

1670
00:56:36,847 --> 00:56:38,249
Yes. To. So are we looking at

1671
00:56:38,249 --> 00:56:39,750
maybe. I guess that would be to

1672
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:41,286
my colleagues, really? Are we

1673
00:56:41,286 --> 00:56:43,120
looking at trying to maybe push

1674
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,722
that again? Because I think

1675
00:56:44,722 --> 00:56:45,923
that would help us a lot in

1676
00:56:45,923 --> 00:56:47,591
that area. When we're talking

1677
00:56:47,591 --> 00:56:49,590
about the different services

1678
00:56:49,590 --> 00:56:50,928
that are covered or paid for

1679
00:56:50,928 --> 00:56:52,630
out of that, out of that fund.

1680
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:55,899
I know the whole topic was

1681
00:56:55,899 --> 00:56:57,767
electric cars and gas cars, and

1682
00:56:57,767 --> 00:56:59,703
it's at the pump and who's

1683
00:56:59,703 --> 00:57:01,272
paying and how much, you know,

1684
00:57:01,272 --> 00:57:02,373
with persons now going more

1685
00:57:02,373 --> 00:57:03,473
towards not everybody, but some

1686
00:57:03,473 --> 00:57:05,342
people going towards electric

1687
00:57:05,342 --> 00:57:06,810
cars. So we're not generating

1688
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:08,244
revenue off of that. But then

1689
00:57:08,244 --> 00:57:09,980
the conversation came up,

1690
00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:11,415
whether or not the legislative

1691
00:57:11,415 --> 00:57:13,283
delegation would consider

1692
00:57:13,283 --> 00:57:15,819
taxing electric cars for that.

1693
00:57:15,819 --> 00:57:17,521
So will that be or is there an

1694
00:57:17,521 --> 00:57:19,690
interest from us to further

1695
00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:22,900
that conversation and dialog

1696
00:57:22,226 --> 00:57:24,270
with the state on that? I

1697
00:57:24,270 --> 00:57:26,427
remembered way back when.

1698
00:57:26,896 --> 00:57:28,499
>> Yeah. So I've had quite a

1699
00:57:28,499 --> 00:57:29,665
bit of discussion with members

1700
00:57:29,665 --> 00:57:32,650
of our legislative delegation

1701
00:57:32,269 --> 00:57:34,710
about that. And I, I feel like

1702
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:35,239
they've got a real appreciation

1703
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:36,940
for the challenges that we're

1704
00:57:36,940 --> 00:57:38,800
in, particularly with what

1705
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,442
happens or doesn't happen with

1706
00:57:39,442 --> 00:57:40,878
amendment three. But I've

1707
00:57:40,878 --> 00:57:43,447
explained to them several times

1708
00:57:43,447 --> 00:57:44,814
the $45 million that we're

1709
00:57:44,814 --> 00:57:46,783
taking from general general

1710
00:57:46,783 --> 00:57:48,819
fund property tax revenue that

1711
00:57:48,819 --> 00:57:51,200
would be available to return to

1712
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,388
the taxpayers. If we had

1713
00:57:52,388 --> 00:57:53,590
another dial, we could turn or

1714
00:57:53,590 --> 00:57:56,727
lever lever that that we could

1715
00:57:56,727 --> 00:57:58,529
pull. So I'm feeling hopeful

1716
00:57:58,529 --> 00:58:00,230
that there's some that there

1717
00:58:00,230 --> 00:58:01,798
will be some options for us in

1718
00:58:01,798 --> 00:58:03,600
this next legislative session

1719
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,868
for that. And as you're talking,

1720
00:58:04,868 --> 00:58:06,636
there I was, I was sitting here

1721
00:58:06,636 --> 00:58:08,572
thinking that, you know, did we

1722
00:58:08,572 --> 00:58:09,739
if we wanted to take more of

1723
00:58:09,739 --> 00:58:11,708
that millage away and sort of

1724
00:58:11,708 --> 00:58:13,677
take a chance that we get that

1725
00:58:13,677 --> 00:58:15,845
we get something on some relief

1726
00:58:15,845 --> 00:58:17,147
on the loft going forward? You

1727
00:58:17,147 --> 00:58:19,449
know, we could always bring

1728
00:58:19,449 --> 00:58:20,684
this back if we didn't, but

1729
00:58:20,684 --> 00:58:22,619
we'd be, you know, going out a

1730
00:58:22,619 --> 00:58:23,687
little bit, a little bit of a

1731
00:58:23,687 --> 00:58:25,655
financial limb to do that.

1732
00:58:25,655 --> 00:58:27,457
>> Well, it'd be hard to bring

1733
00:58:27,457 --> 00:58:28,725
it back because then you'd have

1734
00:58:28,725 --> 00:58:29,692
to carve it out of something

1735
00:58:29,692 --> 00:58:30,460
you've already taken off the

1736
00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:31,628
table.

1737
00:58:31,628 --> 00:58:32,695
>> But well, we know if

1738
00:58:32,695 --> 00:58:34,498
amendment three doesn't pass,

1739
00:58:34,498 --> 00:58:35,631
something else is going to come

1740
00:58:35,631 --> 00:58:37,467
back around anyway. So that's

1741
00:58:37,467 --> 00:58:38,668
your to your point. If we take

1742
00:58:38,668 --> 00:58:38,869
it off, it's probably gone for

1743
00:58:38,869 --> 00:58:40,470
good.

1744
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:41,671
>> And Commissioner, I mean,

1745
00:58:41,671 --> 00:58:42,739
you know, work with, you know,

1746
00:58:42,739 --> 00:58:44,240
three different chairmen, okay,

1747
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,776
that where we've had this

1748
00:58:45,776 --> 00:58:47,110
discussion and the discussion

1749
00:58:47,110 --> 00:58:49,312
has always been about if the

1750
00:58:49,312 --> 00:58:52,782
state would treat us like they

1751
00:58:52,782 --> 00:58:56,382
treat their own gas tax, they

1752
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,289
have a, what do we call it, a

1753
00:58:59,289 --> 00:59:01,824
multiplier. No, it's not a

1754
00:59:01,824 --> 00:59:03,927
escalator. Yeah. So there

1755
00:59:03,927 --> 00:59:04,694
there's there's is indexed.

1756
00:59:04,694 --> 00:59:05,362
Okay. Each and.

1757
00:59:05,362 --> 00:59:06,295
>> Every year.

1758
00:59:06,295 --> 00:59:07,396
>> And ours.

1759
00:59:07,396 --> 00:59:09,332
>> Is not. Ours is not.

1760
00:59:09,332 --> 00:59:11,301
>> And if they had done, if

1761
00:59:11,301 --> 00:59:12,335
they had treated us the same 20

1762
00:59:12,335 --> 00:59:13,470
years ago, you wouldn't even

1763
00:59:13,470 --> 00:59:15,338
need these increments. So the

1764
00:59:15,338 --> 00:59:16,440
actions and it goes back to the

1765
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,507
same discussion we have. The

1766
00:59:17,507 --> 00:59:19,342
actions of the state are

1767
00:59:19,342 --> 00:59:21,742
impacting our local taxpayers

1768
00:59:22,312 --> 00:59:25,114
property taxes. It is no ifs,

1769
00:59:25,114 --> 00:59:26,917
ands or buts. And this. And so

1770
00:59:26,917 --> 00:59:28,452
the all three CHAIRMAN And your

1771
00:59:28,452 --> 00:59:30,220
own legislative program has

1772
00:59:30,220 --> 00:59:32,722
said, if you give us that index,

1773
00:59:32,722 --> 00:59:34,891
we'll take 100% of that and

1774
00:59:34,891 --> 00:59:36,920
reduce our property taxes to

1775
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,961
reflect that. We won't keep it.

1776
00:59:37,961 --> 00:59:39,929
We won't. It won't be a shell

1777
00:59:39,929 --> 00:59:41,397
game. We'll reduce down these

1778
00:59:41,397 --> 00:59:43,967
increments and return it to the

1779
00:59:43,967 --> 00:59:45,802
taxpayer. But until we get that

1780
00:59:45,802 --> 00:59:47,504
legislation, I really recommend

1781
00:59:47,504 --> 00:59:47,737
that we continue to stay the

1782
00:59:47,737 --> 00:59:49,205
course.

1783
00:59:49,205 --> 00:59:51,140
>> But I mean, $45 million is

1784
00:59:51,140 --> 00:59:52,541
four and a half rollbacks.

1785
00:59:52,541 --> 00:59:53,743
>> This year. This year.

1786
00:59:53,743 --> 00:59:55,544
>> Yeah it is. It's a lot of

1787
00:59:55,544 --> 00:59:56,513
money. I mean, it's significant.

1788
00:59:56,513 --> 00:59:57,180
It's significant dollars.

1789
00:59:57,180 --> 00:59:59,180
>> It is.

1790
00:59:59,715 --> 01:00:01,551
>> So yeah, it's the challenge,

1791
01:00:01,551 --> 01:00:03,520
right? I mean, it makes such

1792
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,920
logical sense because everybody

1793
01:00:06,256 --> 01:00:07,157
is paying for their share of

1794
01:00:07,157 --> 01:00:09,157
infrastructure improvements

1795
01:00:09,492 --> 01:00:10,927
through the gas tax, except

1796
01:00:10,927 --> 01:00:11,994
certain areas, you know, and

1797
01:00:11,994 --> 01:00:13,129
again, I'm not.

1798
01:00:13,129 --> 01:00:14,998
>> And, you know, and if it

1799
01:00:14,998 --> 01:00:16,298
follows like the sales tax,

1800
01:00:16,298 --> 01:00:17,634
that means our visitors are

1801
01:00:17,634 --> 01:00:18,835
paying for our roads.

1802
01:00:18,835 --> 01:00:20,835
>> Right.

1803
01:00:24,574 --> 01:00:27,760
>> And then my last piece is.

1804
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,877
It is so expensive stormwater

1805
01:00:28,877 --> 01:00:31,800
sewer projects and road and

1806
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,800
bridge repairs. Those are the

1807
01:00:34,617 --> 01:00:36,920
two largest, greatest financial

1808
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,289
costs. I think that any local

1809
01:00:39,289 --> 01:00:41,457
government has. And not just

1810
01:00:41,457 --> 01:00:42,892
the cost, but also time and

1811
01:00:42,892 --> 01:00:44,160
inconvenience because we're

1812
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,728
digging up roads or whatever.

1813
01:00:45,728 --> 01:00:48,300
And so we're having to reroute

1814
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:49,832
people and whatnot. So I know

1815
01:00:49,832 --> 01:00:51,667
that we try to use penny money

1816
01:00:51,667 --> 01:00:53,335
for a lot of projects that we

1817
01:00:53,335 --> 01:00:54,903
can use penny money for. And

1818
01:00:54,903 --> 01:00:57,500
then in other areas, we apply

1819
01:00:57,500 --> 01:00:58,808
for grant funds to try to help

1820
01:00:58,808 --> 01:01:00,175
with that. I'm not sure how

1821
01:01:00,175 --> 01:01:01,277
that's going to pan out, you

1822
01:01:01,277 --> 01:01:02,345
know, going forward, whether

1823
01:01:02,345 --> 01:01:03,412
it's from the state or the

1824
01:01:03,412 --> 01:01:05,812
federal government as it

1825
01:01:05,982 --> 01:01:08,851
relates to what we get. But so

1826
01:01:08,851 --> 01:01:10,386
for me, just for me, I have no

1827
01:01:10,386 --> 01:01:12,786
problem with what you've

1828
01:01:13,255 --> 01:01:15,357
presented. I am, you know, I'm

1829
01:01:15,357 --> 01:01:17,927
a social service girl at heart.

1830
01:01:17,927 --> 01:01:19,228
So I, I still have a little

1831
01:01:19,228 --> 01:01:20,830
heartburn over the Tarpon

1832
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:22,198
Department of Health, but I

1833
01:01:22,198 --> 01:01:24,330
will I will go ahead and

1834
01:01:24,330 --> 01:01:25,801
support that reduction. But I

1835
01:01:25,801 --> 01:01:27,903
would hope that should there be

1836
01:01:27,903 --> 01:01:30,206
a need or we see an increase in

1837
01:01:30,206 --> 01:01:32,275
numbers because like I said,

1838
01:01:32,275 --> 01:01:34,770
people MAY not necessarily be

1839
01:01:34,770 --> 01:01:36,110
aware like much like we had

1840
01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:37,980
with our other program. And now,

1841
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:41,217
you know, folks are really into

1842
01:01:41,217 --> 01:01:42,484
it. But once you take something

1843
01:01:42,484 --> 01:01:44,219
away, then all of a sudden it's

1844
01:01:44,219 --> 01:01:46,288
like the, you know, there's

1845
01:01:46,288 --> 01:01:47,189
this light that goes off and

1846
01:01:47,189 --> 01:01:49,725
everyone now wants the service.

1847
01:01:49,725 --> 01:01:51,460
So I would if that need arises,

1848
01:01:51,460 --> 01:01:53,162
I will, I will be asking for us

1849
01:01:53,162 --> 01:01:54,960
to come back and look at

1850
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:55,970
addressing how we could

1851
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:56,732
potentially meet that need,

1852
01:01:56,732 --> 01:01:59,635
should the need arise in the

1853
01:01:59,635 --> 01:02:01,737
Tarpon Springs area. But all of

1854
01:02:01,737 --> 01:02:03,305
your other requests here, along

1855
01:02:03,305 --> 01:02:04,606
with the other budget

1856
01:02:04,606 --> 01:02:07,600
reductions that we've talked

1857
01:02:08,577 --> 01:02:11,413
about, I do support. I know

1858
01:02:11,413 --> 01:02:12,982
that with the sheriff's office,

1859
01:02:12,982 --> 01:02:15,840
you're talking bodies, and no

1860
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:16,218
one wants to see a reduction in

1861
01:02:16,218 --> 01:02:18,354
officers on the street. I know

1862
01:02:18,354 --> 01:02:20,189
I don't, as well as some of the

1863
01:02:20,189 --> 01:02:22,589
other functions that the

1864
01:02:23,491 --> 01:02:24,760
sheriff does provide. I know

1865
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,695
we've had conversations about

1866
01:02:26,695 --> 01:02:27,829
the social action funding and

1867
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:29,765
reducing that from that million

1868
01:02:29,765 --> 01:02:30,650
down to that 600 and oh, you

1869
01:02:30,650 --> 01:02:31,767
want me to.

1870
01:02:31,767 --> 01:02:33,802
>> Wait until you get.

1871
01:02:33,802 --> 01:02:34,770
>> No, no, I just want to make

1872
01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:35,104
clear that I'm only

1873
01:02:35,104 --> 01:02:35,938
recommending.

1874
01:02:35,938 --> 01:02:37,390
>> I know you're only

1875
01:02:37,390 --> 01:02:38,874
recommending the top level. Yes,

1876
01:02:38,874 --> 01:02:39,742
I'm going to. I'm just giving

1877
01:02:39,742 --> 01:02:40,909
you my overall.

1878
01:02:40,909 --> 01:02:41,743
>> These are Renee's thoughts

1879
01:02:41,743 --> 01:02:43,110
on

1880
01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:44,847
>> We have we have yet to talk

1881
01:02:44,847 --> 01:02:45,800
about that lower level. Is that

1882
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,800
correct?

1883
01:02:47,216 --> 01:02:48,316
>> Well, I went over the I kind

1884
01:02:48,316 --> 01:02:49,384
of briefly went over those.

1885
01:02:49,384 --> 01:02:51,153
>> Briefly scan it.

1886
01:02:51,153 --> 01:02:53,880
>> But but but those are not

1887
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:53,421
those are not areas that I'm

1888
01:02:53,421 --> 01:02:54,322
recommending.

1889
01:02:54,322 --> 01:02:54,657
>> Oh, I understand you're not

1890
01:02:54,657 --> 01:02:56,358
recommending.

1891
01:02:56,358 --> 01:02:58,930
>> But but there if there are.

1892
01:02:58,930 --> 01:02:59,194
>> People that want a full

1893
01:02:59,194 --> 01:03:00,429
rollback, those will have to be

1894
01:03:00,429 --> 01:03:01,430
correct. At least those. And

1895
01:03:01,430 --> 01:03:03,131
maybe something else that

1896
01:03:03,131 --> 01:03:04,332
somebody has out there. Correct.

1897
01:03:04,332 --> 01:03:05,534
Okay. So I would like to have

1898
01:03:05,534 --> 01:03:07,934
that brief discussion about

1899
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:09,171
those areas just so we're clear.

1900
01:03:09,171 --> 01:03:10,606
And that doesn't mean we're

1901
01:03:10,606 --> 01:03:12,700
supporting or not supporting it.

1902
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:13,141
We're just need to understand.

1903
01:03:13,141 --> 01:03:15,611
Hold on one second. Okay. Hold

1904
01:03:15,611 --> 01:03:16,745
on. Before we jump into that,

1905
01:03:16,745 --> 01:03:17,120
Brian, did you have anything

1906
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,480
else?

1907
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,514
>> I did, but if anyone wants

1908
01:03:19,514 --> 01:03:21,316
to finish their thoughts.

1909
01:03:21,316 --> 01:03:22,218
>> Okay. Did you want to go

1910
01:03:22,218 --> 01:03:24,218
down and below.

1911
01:03:24,252 --> 01:03:25,454
>> If you if you would like to

1912
01:03:25,454 --> 01:03:26,221
do it a different way, I can

1913
01:03:26,221 --> 01:03:27,489
wait.

1914
01:03:27,489 --> 01:03:29,291
>> I'd rather have him kind of

1915
01:03:29,291 --> 01:03:30,392
talk to each of those.

1916
01:03:30,392 --> 01:03:32,294
>> Okay, then I'll do that.

1917
01:03:32,294 --> 01:03:33,362
Okay, I'll do that. So that's

1918
01:03:33,362 --> 01:03:35,330
all I have for my top.

1919
01:03:35,330 --> 01:03:35,564
>> Okay. But I know we're going

1920
01:03:35,564 --> 01:03:37,432
to come.

1921
01:03:37,432 --> 01:03:38,233
>> Back for my yellow and gold.

1922
01:03:38,233 --> 01:03:39,401
That's all.

1923
01:03:39,401 --> 01:03:40,335
>> I have. Anything on the

1924
01:03:40,335 --> 01:03:41,670
yellow and gold?

1925
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:43,238
>> I my questions were related

1926
01:03:43,238 --> 01:03:44,440
to social action funding as

1927
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,241
well. And also some things on

1928
01:03:46,241 --> 01:03:47,409
our agenda for next week. So

1929
01:03:47,409 --> 01:03:47,609
I'll hold that until Barry's

1930
01:03:47,609 --> 01:03:48,509
done.

1931
01:03:48,509 --> 01:03:50,245
>> Okay, Commissioner.

1932
01:03:50,245 --> 01:03:51,413
>> I was going to have some

1933
01:03:51,413 --> 01:03:53,248
questions on the blue. Okay, so

1934
01:03:53,248 --> 01:03:53,949
that was just kind of skimmed

1935
01:03:53,949 --> 01:03:55,484
over. So I'm.

1936
01:03:55,484 --> 01:03:57,285
>> Going to go there now.

1937
01:03:57,285 --> 01:03:59,154
>> Okay. All right. Absolutely.

1938
01:03:59,154 --> 01:03:59,888
>> Thank you. How he addresses

1939
01:03:59,888 --> 01:04:01,888
those.

1940
01:04:03,458 --> 01:04:06,661
>> So so on the blue we got we

1941
01:04:06,661 --> 01:04:10,261
got Bay care home care. That's

1942
01:04:10,432 --> 01:04:12,670
$100,000. And I'll ask Karen to

1943
01:04:12,670 --> 01:04:13,634
come back up and explain,

1944
01:04:13,634 --> 01:04:15,370
because I'll bring her up

1945
01:04:15,370 --> 01:04:17,205
because she can explain each of

1946
01:04:17,205 --> 01:04:19,675
these in, in great. Well, these

1947
01:04:19,675 --> 01:04:22,277
first 2 in 3 or the first three

1948
01:04:22,277 --> 01:04:23,846
in greater detail. So we'll

1949
01:04:23,846 --> 01:04:25,380
just walk down through with the

1950
01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:27,249
Bay care home, home care.

1951
01:04:27,249 --> 01:04:28,684
>> Sure. So Bay care home care

1952
01:04:28,684 --> 01:04:29,951
is part of the Pinellas County

1953
01:04:29,951 --> 01:04:31,920
Health program and health care

1954
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,388
for the homeless. And it

1955
01:04:33,388 --> 01:04:35,388
includes durable medical

1956
01:04:35,791 --> 01:04:37,659
equipment. It includes home

1957
01:04:37,659 --> 01:04:39,659
health, physical therapy,

1958
01:04:41,195 --> 01:04:43,640
speech therapy, and iv

1959
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:44,299
antibiotics for individuals who

1960
01:04:44,299 --> 01:04:45,967
need that level of treatment.

1961
01:04:45,967 --> 01:04:47,702
>> And this is this is targeted

1962
01:04:47,702 --> 01:04:49,137
for people at.

1963
01:04:49,137 --> 01:04:51,537
>> 100% of the federal poverty

1964
01:04:51,673 --> 01:04:54,209
limit or who are homeless.

1965
01:04:54,209 --> 01:04:56,677
>> Okay. So this is specialized,

1966
01:04:56,677 --> 01:04:57,779
an area that otherwise they

1967
01:04:57,779 --> 01:04:59,447
wouldn't have access to those

1968
01:04:59,447 --> 01:05:02,484
services and they got to meet

1969
01:05:02,484 --> 01:05:04,319
certain income limits to, to be

1970
01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:05,787
eligible. Okay. So that's the

1971
01:05:05,787 --> 01:05:07,521
first one. That's the, the Bay

1972
01:05:07,521 --> 01:05:09,157
care home health. The second

1973
01:05:09,157 --> 01:05:10,492
area is the social action

1974
01:05:10,492 --> 01:05:12,260
funding. And if you recall in

1975
01:05:12,260 --> 01:05:13,695
the recommendations, those are

1976
01:05:13,695 --> 01:05:14,395
three there were 3 or 4

1977
01:05:14,395 --> 01:05:14,763
programs.

1978
01:05:14,763 --> 01:05:16,731
>> Seven.

1979
01:05:16,731 --> 01:05:18,667
>> Oh, okay. Seven programs.

1980
01:05:18,667 --> 01:05:21,369
The reason I have her up here

1981
01:05:21,369 --> 01:05:22,871
that are that are ongoing. So

1982
01:05:22,871 --> 01:05:24,539
we had funded them past the

1983
01:05:24,539 --> 01:05:26,274
last year for multi year. They,

1984
01:05:26,274 --> 01:05:28,674
they're not guaranteed that

1985
01:05:29,210 --> 01:05:30,812
funding. But when we, when our

1986
01:05:30,812 --> 01:05:33,414
as part of our recommendation

1987
01:05:33,414 --> 01:05:35,183
is we said since to continue

1988
01:05:35,183 --> 01:05:38,183
those to their conclusion and

1989
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,422
then just not renew and then

1990
01:05:40,422 --> 01:05:42,557
not start any other programs

1991
01:05:42,557 --> 01:05:44,659
that would be new that were

1992
01:05:44,659 --> 01:05:46,927
proposed. That was 1.1 million

1993
01:05:46,927 --> 01:05:48,863
600 000 of ongoing programs.

1994
01:05:48,863 --> 01:05:49,640
And so that was how we come to

1995
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:50,765
that.

1996
01:05:50,765 --> 01:05:52,330
>> 600 was the new program.

1997
01:05:52,330 --> 01:05:52,600
>> No, that was the ongoing

1998
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,600
program.

1999
01:05:55,437 --> 01:05:55,937
>> And we are talking about, oh,

2000
01:05:55,937 --> 01:05:57,505
eliminating those.

2001
01:05:57,505 --> 01:05:58,472
>> So yeah, so so our, our

2002
01:05:58,472 --> 01:05:59,641
budget recommendation, the

2003
01:05:59,641 --> 01:06:01,409
original budget recommendation,

2004
01:06:01,409 --> 01:06:02,977
the 1.7 million. I'm using

2005
01:06:02,977 --> 01:06:04,645
round numbers, 1.7 million that

2006
01:06:04,645 --> 01:06:06,881
you have in social action

2007
01:06:06,881 --> 01:06:08,450
funding, about 1.1 million of

2008
01:06:08,450 --> 01:06:09,750
the recommendations were for

2009
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:10,885
programs that would be new.

2010
01:06:10,885 --> 01:06:11,786
>> And that's already part of

2011
01:06:11,786 --> 01:06:13,786
the budget.

2012
01:06:14,155 --> 01:06:15,522
>> And and we recommended

2013
01:06:15,522 --> 01:06:17,358
eliminating those as part of

2014
01:06:17,358 --> 01:06:20,958
the budget. So what's left is,

2015
01:06:22,796 --> 01:06:24,566
is 667,000 for ongoing programs,

2016
01:06:24,566 --> 01:06:27,566
the seven programs that Karen

2017
01:06:27,735 --> 01:06:30,371
just stated. And so you could

2018
01:06:30,371 --> 01:06:31,406
choose to not fund those

2019
01:06:31,406 --> 01:06:33,208
programs, there's no guarantee

2020
01:06:33,208 --> 01:06:36,210
of funding. So you could choose

2021
01:06:36,210 --> 01:06:38,279
to not renew those programs. So

2022
01:06:38,279 --> 01:06:39,680
those programs would go away.

2023
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:40,548
So that's the social action

2024
01:06:40,548 --> 01:06:41,849
funding piece.

2025
01:06:41,849 --> 01:06:42,984
>> And I believe that

2026
01:06:42,984 --> 01:06:45,119
Commissioner Scott, didn't he

2027
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,622
ask did you ask for a list of

2028
01:06:47,622 --> 01:06:48,956
those? Yeah. And I'm looking

2029
01:06:48,956 --> 01:06:50,191
through my notes here to see if

2030
01:06:50,191 --> 01:06:51,159
I can find them.

2031
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:52,459
>> I have, I have.

2032
01:06:52,459 --> 01:06:54,329
>> Can you briefly.

2033
01:06:54,329 --> 01:06:54,629
>> I have it, I can.

2034
01:06:54,629 --> 01:06:56,629
>> Grab it.

2035
01:07:07,700 --> 01:07:09,700
>> Okay.

2036
01:07:12,813 --> 01:07:14,314
>> I'll send it to you.

2037
01:07:14,314 --> 01:07:16,160
>> And before you leave. And I

2038
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,452
don't forget, I wanted to hear

2039
01:07:17,452 --> 01:07:19,353
what the update is from the

2040
01:07:19,353 --> 01:07:21,521
hospitals on the Suncoast

2041
01:07:21,521 --> 01:07:22,657
services, see where we're what

2042
01:07:22,657 --> 01:07:24,358
kind of headway we're getting

2043
01:07:24,358 --> 01:07:27,358
on that. Thank you. Appreciate

2044
01:07:27,462 --> 01:07:29,330
that. Karen. Oh, yeah. Right on

2045
01:07:29,330 --> 01:07:30,465
top. Jesus.

2046
01:07:30,465 --> 01:07:32,000
>> Are you going to go.

2047
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,467
>> Through those or anything?

2048
01:07:33,467 --> 01:07:34,402
Were you going to go through

2049
01:07:34,402 --> 01:07:35,603
those? You want me.

2050
01:07:35,603 --> 01:07:37,438
>> To keep going? You keep

2051
01:07:37,438 --> 01:07:37,638
going. I mean, when we're done

2052
01:07:37,638 --> 01:07:39,406
here.

2053
01:07:39,406 --> 01:07:40,508
>> Okay. So so that was the

2054
01:07:40,508 --> 01:07:42,476
recommendation again, if we get

2055
01:07:42,476 --> 01:07:44,411
deeper, if we get if we get to

2056
01:07:44,411 --> 01:07:45,713
where you're going to try to go

2057
01:07:45,713 --> 01:07:47,581
to a full rollback, you really

2058
01:07:47,581 --> 01:07:49,150
got to look at that. Funding is

2059
01:07:49,150 --> 01:07:50,618
my recommendation. And then the

2060
01:07:50,618 --> 01:07:52,860
funding. I'll let Karen again

2061
01:07:52,860 --> 01:07:53,454
speak to specifically what that

2062
01:07:53,454 --> 01:07:55,454
is.

2063
01:07:57,458 --> 01:07:59,627
>> So so cabbie was a grant and

2064
01:07:59,627 --> 01:08:01,361
prior to 2020, and we continued

2065
01:08:01,361 --> 01:08:03,664
that service as a decision

2066
01:08:03,664 --> 01:08:05,165
package moving forward. We were

2067
01:08:05,165 --> 01:08:06,867
right in the middle of writing

2068
01:08:06,867 --> 01:08:08,636
for the new procurement. So we

2069
01:08:08,636 --> 01:08:10,571
were going to kind of take the

2070
01:08:10,571 --> 01:08:12,239
best pieces of that and move it

2071
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:14,800
forward. And what this is, is

2072
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,110
field based behavioral health

2073
01:08:16,110 --> 01:08:18,510
services for adults. So

2074
01:08:18,645 --> 01:08:20,781
bringing services to their home

2075
01:08:20,781 --> 01:08:22,917
to keep them stabilized. Many

2076
01:08:22,917 --> 01:08:24,451
of them were formerly homeless,

2077
01:08:24,451 --> 01:08:26,187
placed in scattered site

2078
01:08:26,187 --> 01:08:27,988
housing, housing. So this is

2079
01:08:27,988 --> 01:08:29,456
not attached to an organization.

2080
01:08:29,456 --> 01:08:31,291
This is they've maintained

2081
01:08:31,291 --> 01:08:33,193
their housing and they need

2082
01:08:33,193 --> 01:08:34,895
additional services. And some

2083
01:08:34,895 --> 01:08:38,232
of the areas that we're looking

2084
01:08:38,232 --> 01:08:40,634
to expand is there are times

2085
01:08:40,634 --> 01:08:42,136
that we are called from code

2086
01:08:42,136 --> 01:08:44,536
enforcement for houses that

2087
01:08:44,605 --> 01:08:46,173
have hoarding situations,

2088
01:08:46,173 --> 01:08:48,142
animal hoarding situations. And

2089
01:08:48,142 --> 01:08:50,430
this can also be used to bring

2090
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:51,845
services to those residents to

2091
01:08:51,845 --> 01:08:53,313
keep them in their homes, but

2092
01:08:53,313 --> 01:08:54,715
also work with those who have

2093
01:08:54,715 --> 01:08:56,500
severe and persistent mental

2094
01:08:56,500 --> 01:08:57,951
illness, who maybe went through

2095
01:08:57,951 --> 01:09:00,154
a rapid rehousing program. But

2096
01:09:00,154 --> 01:09:01,555
their needs far outweigh just

2097
01:09:01,555 --> 01:09:02,690
kind of traditional case

2098
01:09:02,690 --> 01:09:04,690
management.

2099
01:09:04,758 --> 01:09:06,758
>> Okay. Okay.

2100
01:09:08,295 --> 01:09:09,830
>> And the hospital.

2101
01:09:09,830 --> 01:09:11,232
>> So the hospitals are still a

2102
01:09:11,232 --> 01:09:13,133
work in progress. I sent

2103
01:09:13,133 --> 01:09:15,235
letters to every single ceo,

2104
01:09:15,235 --> 01:09:16,636
and then I have met with many

2105
01:09:16,636 --> 01:09:18,738
of them that I routinely meet

2106
01:09:18,738 --> 01:09:19,939
with for our health program to

2107
01:09:19,939 --> 01:09:22,175
explain what this means with

2108
01:09:22,175 --> 01:09:23,911
our reduction of funding. I

2109
01:09:23,911 --> 01:09:26,747
meet almost weekly with the

2110
01:09:26,747 --> 01:09:28,915
Suncoast ceo, and he said last

2111
01:09:28,915 --> 01:09:30,284
week, I think hca was the only

2112
01:09:30,284 --> 01:09:31,784
system that had reached out to

2113
01:09:31,784 --> 01:09:32,860
discuss the letter.

2114
01:09:32,860 --> 01:09:33,987
>> Okay.

2115
01:09:33,987 --> 01:09:36,423
>> And that and current funding,

2116
01:09:36,423 --> 01:09:38,392
current budget has funding for

2117
01:09:38,392 --> 01:09:39,426
Suncoast through DECEMBER.

2118
01:09:39,426 --> 01:09:40,461
>> Through DECEMBER at the end

2119
01:09:40,461 --> 01:09:41,261
of this year?

2120
01:09:41,261 --> 01:09:42,495
>> Yes.

2121
01:09:42,495 --> 01:09:44,665
>> So we have a little time.

2122
01:09:44,665 --> 01:09:46,500
>> Okay. All right. All right.

2123
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:48,500
>> Go ahead. Commissioner.

2124
01:09:48,936 --> 01:09:50,270
>> Thank you. You answer. I was

2125
01:09:50,270 --> 01:09:52,639
going to have a question about

2126
01:09:52,639 --> 01:09:55,639
the Baycare piece, but you

2127
01:09:55,975 --> 01:09:59,575
answered that one. But I will

2128
01:10:00,180 --> 01:10:02,349
go ahead. And I think social

2129
01:10:02,349 --> 01:10:03,816
action funding can be funded

2130
01:10:03,816 --> 01:10:06,216
through the legislature. They

2131
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:11,391
have more more funds than we do.

2132
01:10:11,391 --> 01:10:13,460
And those items are routinely

2133
01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:17,600
funded in the state budget, in

2134
01:10:17,130 --> 01:10:20,300
the various silos. And so I

2135
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:22,102
would be supportive of just

2136
01:10:22,102 --> 01:10:25,702
getting out of the business of

2137
01:10:28,675 --> 01:10:31,750
funding nonprofits on. Through

2138
01:10:31,144 --> 01:10:34,140
the county budget and focusing

2139
01:10:34,140 --> 01:10:36,140
on core services.

2140
01:10:37,718 --> 01:10:38,785
>> So can you speak to that?

2141
01:10:38,785 --> 01:10:40,954
Especially, I mean, these are

2142
01:10:40,954 --> 01:10:41,188
seven independent groups.

2143
01:10:41,188 --> 01:10:42,689
>> Yes.

2144
01:10:42,689 --> 01:10:44,958
>> Do they all have the same

2145
01:10:44,958 --> 01:10:47,600
access to to state grants? And

2146
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,829
are they all equally taken care

2147
01:10:48,829 --> 01:10:50,263
of, or do some of them struggle

2148
01:10:50,263 --> 01:10:51,431
getting the grants because

2149
01:10:51,431 --> 01:10:53,200
they're not viewed the same way

2150
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:54,467
as others? I mean, i

2151
01:10:54,467 --> 01:10:57,467
specifically look at Saint Pete

2152
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:59,906
Free Clinic who provides food

2153
01:10:59,906 --> 01:11:02,509
for a lot of different groups

2154
01:11:02,509 --> 01:11:04,277
who distribute to our residents.

2155
01:11:04,277 --> 01:11:05,440
>> They have a lobbyist, I'm

2156
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:06,479
almost certain.

2157
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:07,800
>> So. So could you speak to

2158
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:08,281
the.

2159
01:11:08,281 --> 01:11:10,182
>> I don't know that I could

2160
01:11:10,182 --> 01:11:11,217
speak to each of the seven

2161
01:11:11,217 --> 01:11:13,860
organizations. And if they have

2162
01:11:13,860 --> 01:11:14,154
a lobbyist and kind of what

2163
01:11:14,154 --> 01:11:15,555
their track record is with

2164
01:11:15,555 --> 01:11:16,589
obtaining state funds, we can

2165
01:11:16,589 --> 01:11:19,589
certainly follow up with them

2166
01:11:20,427 --> 01:11:22,932
to ask that question. I mean,

2167
01:11:22,932 --> 01:11:24,430
all of these are very kind of

2168
01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:25,699
smaller nonprofits, probably

2169
01:11:25,699 --> 01:11:26,966
with the exception of Saint

2170
01:11:26,966 --> 01:11:28,768
Pete Free Clinic, that's

2171
01:11:28,768 --> 01:11:30,937
probably the largest of the

2172
01:11:30,937 --> 01:11:32,739
seven that were recommended.

2173
01:11:32,739 --> 01:11:34,274
And each year they have to

2174
01:11:34,274 --> 01:11:35,942
demonstrate that this is a need,

2175
01:11:35,942 --> 01:11:37,410
an emerging need in our

2176
01:11:37,410 --> 01:11:39,712
community, that they want to be

2177
01:11:39,712 --> 01:11:41,381
able to try to fulfill. And

2178
01:11:41,381 --> 01:11:43,449
it's the only opportunity that

2179
01:11:43,449 --> 01:11:46,850
we offer at the county for new

2180
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:48,485
services or new programs.

2181
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:52,158
>> Okay, okay. Go ahead. I'm

2182
01:11:52,158 --> 01:11:53,625
good. Okay.

2183
01:11:53,625 --> 01:11:55,362
>> Yes, Commissioner Scott.

2184
01:11:55,362 --> 01:11:57,563
>> Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. I

2185
01:11:57,563 --> 01:11:59,963
agree with Commissioner Latvala

2186
01:12:00,433 --> 01:12:03,370
on the funding. Social action

2187
01:12:03,370 --> 01:12:04,771
funding. I just I just don't

2188
01:12:04,771 --> 01:12:05,872
really think this is a business

2189
01:12:05,872 --> 01:12:08,708
that we should that we should

2190
01:12:08,708 --> 01:12:10,143
be in. But I in further than

2191
01:12:10,143 --> 01:12:13,450
that. Beyond that, I also have

2192
01:12:13,450 --> 01:12:15,214
some questions on for our

2193
01:12:15,214 --> 01:12:17,614
agenda review later. Item 18

2194
01:12:20,253 --> 01:12:22,653
and 19, which assumes that

2195
01:12:23,857 --> 01:12:25,658
fiscal year 2027 funding item

2196
01:12:25,658 --> 01:12:29,258
18 is agreement with two on one

2197
01:12:29,662 --> 01:12:30,663
Tampa Bay cares for

2198
01:12:30,663 --> 01:12:32,498
administration of the Adult

2199
01:12:32,498 --> 01:12:34,498
Emergency Financial Assistance

2200
01:12:34,767 --> 01:12:36,503
Program for five years, works

2201
01:12:36,503 --> 01:12:39,305
out to a little over $1.4

2202
01:12:39,305 --> 01:12:42,305
million annually. And then the

2203
01:12:42,608 --> 01:12:45,444
second one is with Vincent de

2204
01:12:45,444 --> 01:12:47,981
Paul Cares and two on one for

2205
01:12:47,981 --> 01:12:49,782
for rapid rehousing service.

2206
01:12:49,782 --> 01:12:51,500
And that one's, you know, for

2207
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:52,285
three years. That one's well

2208
01:12:52,285 --> 01:12:54,860
over $1 million a year. And I

2209
01:12:54,860 --> 01:12:55,555
just look at all of these

2210
01:12:55,555 --> 01:12:56,622
things and, and I'm sure

2211
01:12:56,622 --> 01:12:58,190
they're doing great things in

2212
01:12:58,190 --> 01:12:59,459
the, in the community, but

2213
01:12:59,459 --> 01:13:01,293
there just seems to be so much

2214
01:13:01,293 --> 01:13:03,429
overlapping, you know, just

2215
01:13:03,429 --> 01:13:05,598
like the and I like Karen to

2216
01:13:05,598 --> 01:13:07,998
speak to these individual

2217
01:13:08,670 --> 01:13:10,236
programs. But, you know, then

2218
01:13:10,236 --> 01:13:11,938
we've got the $1.7 million that

2219
01:13:11,938 --> 01:13:13,639
we're providing to the public

2220
01:13:13,639 --> 01:13:15,307
defender's office to do a lot

2221
01:13:15,307 --> 01:13:16,442
of the same things, and then

2222
01:13:16,442 --> 01:13:17,643
money for social action,

2223
01:13:17,643 --> 01:13:19,445
funding for groups that are not

2224
01:13:19,445 --> 01:13:20,645
for profits, that are doing a

2225
01:13:20,645 --> 01:13:22,548
lot of the same things. And

2226
01:13:22,548 --> 01:13:23,715
then we've got $2.4 million for

2227
01:13:23,715 --> 01:13:25,651
Safe Harbor. That's kind of

2228
01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:26,818
doing a lot of this. I just

2229
01:13:26,818 --> 01:13:28,221
there's just such a tremendous

2230
01:13:28,221 --> 01:13:30,489
overlap and all of these

2231
01:13:30,489 --> 01:13:31,624
programs that that we have, and

2232
01:13:31,624 --> 01:13:32,692
I'm not saying that we

2233
01:13:32,692 --> 01:13:34,660
necessarily should rip the band

2234
01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:36,429
aid off of all of these things

2235
01:13:36,429 --> 01:13:37,629
in this particular year, but it

2236
01:13:37,629 --> 01:13:39,398
just seems to me like it's a

2237
01:13:39,398 --> 01:13:40,600
very it's a very fragmented,

2238
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:41,667
decentralized system, and there

2239
01:13:41,667 --> 01:13:42,769
should be a lot more

2240
01:13:42,769 --> 01:13:43,835
efficiencies. I feel like we're

2241
01:13:43,835 --> 01:13:45,837
just throwing, throwing a lot

2242
01:13:45,837 --> 01:13:47,706
of money to a lot of different

2243
01:13:47,706 --> 01:13:48,400
groups to solve a lot of the

2244
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:49,641
same problems.

2245
01:13:49,641 --> 01:13:50,810
>> Yeah, I think there's a I

2246
01:13:50,810 --> 01:13:53,145
think there's certainly and

2247
01:13:53,145 --> 01:13:54,245
again, I wrestle with this, you

2248
01:13:54,245 --> 01:13:55,681
know, the things that we

2249
01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:57,816
criticize the state about doing

2250
01:13:57,816 --> 01:13:59,418
things spontaneously. And we're

2251
01:13:59,418 --> 01:14:01,487
we're left holding the bag, so

2252
01:14:01,487 --> 01:14:03,322
to speak. And so I want to make

2253
01:14:03,322 --> 01:14:06,792
sure that we are respectful of

2254
01:14:06,792 --> 01:14:08,261
a, of an incremental process,

2255
01:14:08,261 --> 01:14:09,829
but I, too, would like to at

2256
01:14:09,829 --> 01:14:11,797
least have in that maybe the

2257
01:14:11,797 --> 01:14:13,332
first quarter of next fiscal

2258
01:14:13,332 --> 01:14:14,333
year, kind of a discussion

2259
01:14:14,333 --> 01:14:16,635
about all the different things

2260
01:14:16,635 --> 01:14:18,638
that we do and maybe where

2261
01:14:18,638 --> 01:14:21,240
there is overlap, because I'm

2262
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:22,274
certainly not at the level of

2263
01:14:22,274 --> 01:14:23,375
understanding of the

2264
01:14:23,375 --> 01:14:25,177
complexities of each of these

2265
01:14:25,177 --> 01:14:27,647
and how they either overlap or

2266
01:14:27,647 --> 01:14:29,147
they complement. I just don't

2267
01:14:29,147 --> 01:14:30,249
know. I think you have a it's a

2268
01:14:30,249 --> 01:14:32,118
great question. It's something

2269
01:14:32,118 --> 01:14:33,452
we should at least have a good

2270
01:14:33,452 --> 01:14:35,588
handle on so that we know

2271
01:14:35,588 --> 01:14:38,588
whether we are duplicating. I

2272
01:14:38,724 --> 01:14:40,625
would give some deference to

2273
01:14:40,625 --> 01:14:42,194
the group that's in charge to

2274
01:14:42,194 --> 01:14:43,529
make sure that we're not doing

2275
01:14:43,529 --> 01:14:44,697
that. But I think from an

2276
01:14:44,697 --> 01:14:46,498
education standpoint, at least,

2277
01:14:46,498 --> 01:14:48,667
we should make sure we

2278
01:14:48,667 --> 01:14:50,368
understand it. And so I think

2279
01:14:50,368 --> 01:14:51,770
that would be an important

2280
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:53,405
element. I'm not saying that we

2281
01:14:53,405 --> 01:14:56,442
don't touch it. I'm just saying

2282
01:14:56,442 --> 01:14:58,377
just be mindful of these groups.

2283
01:14:58,377 --> 01:15:01,180
And again, here we are kind of

2284
01:15:01,180 --> 01:15:02,615
like we did last year on

2285
01:15:02,615 --> 01:15:04,820
SEPTEMBER, right. You know, and

2286
01:15:04,820 --> 01:15:05,918
they're starting as well. So I

2287
01:15:05,918 --> 01:15:08,354
just wanted to throw that out

2288
01:15:08,354 --> 01:15:09,655
there as context.

2289
01:15:09,655 --> 01:15:11,557
>> So I mean, Karen, would you

2290
01:15:11,557 --> 01:15:12,724
be able to just kind of speak

2291
01:15:12,724 --> 01:15:14,393
to these these two programs?

2292
01:15:14,393 --> 01:15:15,560
And is there any room for

2293
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,328
improvement at all as we look

2294
01:15:17,328 --> 01:15:17,562
for, you know, next year's

2295
01:15:17,562 --> 01:15:19,298
budget?

2296
01:15:19,298 --> 01:15:20,232
>> So I can start with the

2297
01:15:20,232 --> 01:15:22,232
Adult Emergency Financial

2298
01:15:22,434 --> 01:15:24,435
Assistance program that only

2299
01:15:24,435 --> 01:15:26,835
serves adults without children.

2300
01:15:27,772 --> 01:15:29,974
And so that really is one time

2301
01:15:29,974 --> 01:15:32,244
funding for someone who has a

2302
01:15:32,244 --> 01:15:34,212
very high utility bill. They're

2303
01:15:34,212 --> 01:15:36,114
up to 200% of the federal

2304
01:15:36,114 --> 01:15:37,483
poverty limit. They have to

2305
01:15:37,483 --> 01:15:38,917
demonstrate sustainability.

2306
01:15:38,917 --> 01:15:41,120
This is the only program that

2307
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,621
they can call in and have that

2308
01:15:42,621 --> 01:15:44,323
utility bill paid so that

2309
01:15:44,323 --> 01:15:45,924
they're not without lights or

2310
01:15:45,924 --> 01:15:48,324
water or potentially evicted.

2311
01:15:48,660 --> 01:15:50,295
And so we pay rental assistance,

2312
01:15:50,295 --> 01:15:51,930
mortgage assistance. And this

2313
01:15:51,930 --> 01:15:53,765
was built because the Juvenile

2314
01:15:53,765 --> 01:15:55,167
Welfare Board built a similar

2315
01:15:55,167 --> 01:15:56,268
program for adults with

2316
01:15:56,268 --> 01:15:58,300
children. And there really

2317
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:00,872
wasn't anywhere for just single

2318
01:16:00,872 --> 01:16:02,374
adults to go. We help a lot of

2319
01:16:02,374 --> 01:16:03,775
seniors. We help a lot of

2320
01:16:03,775 --> 01:16:05,944
individuals moving out of

2321
01:16:05,944 --> 01:16:07,412
shelter. We can pay first, last

2322
01:16:07,412 --> 01:16:08,780
and security to move someone

2323
01:16:08,780 --> 01:16:11,650
directly out of a homeless

2324
01:16:11,650 --> 01:16:14,219
shelter with this program. On

2325
01:16:14,219 --> 01:16:16,619
average, we serve around 2000

2326
01:16:16,722 --> 01:16:18,857
residents per year. I'm sorry,

2327
01:16:18,857 --> 01:16:21,857
200 residents per year, and the

2328
01:16:22,194 --> 01:16:23,362
average cost is around $2,000.

2329
01:16:23,362 --> 01:16:25,297
It's there's really nowhere

2330
01:16:25,297 --> 01:16:27,165
else for them to go unless they

2331
01:16:27,165 --> 01:16:28,600
go to the really, really small

2332
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,468
areas. Like they'll go to the

2333
01:16:30,468 --> 01:16:31,837
Urban League and get something

2334
01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:33,738
paid, but then they run out of

2335
01:16:33,738 --> 01:16:35,107
money. So this really was built

2336
01:16:35,107 --> 01:16:36,700
on efficiencies to really help

2337
01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:36,975
single adults. There's really

2338
01:16:36,975 --> 01:16:38,760
nothing out there for.

2339
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:38,843
>> This program. Was that I'm

2340
01:16:38,843 --> 01:16:40,645
sorry.

2341
01:16:40,645 --> 01:16:41,879
>> It's it's it's on the agenda

2342
01:16:41,879 --> 01:16:42,881
for the 10th.

2343
01:16:42,881 --> 01:16:43,114
>> Oh, that's the one. We're

2344
01:16:43,114 --> 01:16:43,849
talking.

2345
01:16:43,849 --> 01:16:44,850
>> Two on.

2346
01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:45,884
>> The second piece.

2347
01:16:45,884 --> 01:16:47,119
>> Yes. Yeah, yeah.

2348
01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:49,121
>> Okay. And so residents call

2349
01:16:49,121 --> 01:16:51,655
into 211. They do a financial

2350
01:16:51,655 --> 01:16:52,724
screening. They submit a ton of

2351
01:16:52,724 --> 01:16:53,892
documentation. They have to

2352
01:16:53,892 --> 01:16:55,227
meet eligibility criteria. And

2353
01:16:55,227 --> 01:16:58,195
it's really a, it's a

2354
01:16:58,195 --> 01:16:59,464
prevention bucket. So I don't

2355
01:16:59,464 --> 01:17:00,799
really see that overlaps with

2356
01:17:00,799 --> 01:17:01,900
the rapid rehousing program,

2357
01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:03,868
which I can talk about. But

2358
01:17:03,868 --> 01:17:05,700
this is prevention. It's

2359
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:07,439
preventing our residents from

2360
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,439
becoming homeless.

2361
01:17:10,441 --> 01:17:13,644
>> Do do we know that people

2362
01:17:13,644 --> 01:17:16,147
don't double dip, that maybe

2363
01:17:16,147 --> 01:17:19,147
they get assistance from the

2364
01:17:19,751 --> 01:17:21,485
public defender's pot of money

2365
01:17:21,485 --> 01:17:23,388
and then get assistance from

2366
01:17:23,388 --> 01:17:24,455
this pot of money, and then get

2367
01:17:24,455 --> 01:17:26,657
assistance from a not for

2368
01:17:26,657 --> 01:17:27,358
profit somewhere else? I mean,

2369
01:17:27,358 --> 01:17:28,560
do we.

2370
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,862
>> There's not a centralized

2371
01:17:30,862 --> 01:17:31,296
system for that. So no.

2372
01:17:31,296 --> 01:17:32,897
>> Okay.

2373
01:17:32,897 --> 01:17:33,998
>> But they have to demonstrate

2374
01:17:33,998 --> 01:17:35,900
need, right. So we're looking

2375
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:37,702
at utility bills, bank

2376
01:17:37,702 --> 01:17:40,102
statements, late ledgers. I

2377
01:17:40,939 --> 01:17:42,807
mean, so I guess if they were

2378
01:17:42,807 --> 01:17:44,750
wanting to to be defraud the

2379
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:45,243
system, I guess they could,

2380
01:17:45,243 --> 01:17:46,511
they could try, but there is

2381
01:17:46,511 --> 01:17:48,145
not a centralized system. And

2382
01:17:48,145 --> 01:17:49,280
that that probably is one of

2383
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,115
the larger challenges across

2384
01:17:51,115 --> 01:17:52,884
the entire nonprofit system is

2385
01:17:52,884 --> 01:17:55,530
that there we don't have a

2386
01:17:55,530 --> 01:17:56,154
centralized data system in

2387
01:17:56,154 --> 01:17:57,989
behavioral health. I mean, like

2388
01:17:57,989 --> 01:17:59,758
that is that's the complexity

2389
01:17:59,758 --> 01:18:01,559
of, of the services that we

2390
01:18:01,559 --> 01:18:03,270
provide. That is something I

2391
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:05,630
will say kind of in the future

2392
01:18:05,630 --> 01:18:06,564
that I know the Opioid

2393
01:18:06,564 --> 01:18:07,599
Settlement funding group is

2394
01:18:07,599 --> 01:18:09,801
trying to look out for the

2395
01:18:09,801 --> 01:18:11,936
mental health side, but it is

2396
01:18:11,936 --> 01:18:13,871
very complex and it's going to

2397
01:18:13,871 --> 01:18:15,639
take a lot of legal work for

2398
01:18:15,639 --> 01:18:15,973
the entities to kind of work

2399
01:18:15,973 --> 01:18:17,742
towards that.

2400
01:18:17,742 --> 01:18:19,770
>> I mean, it's the same thing

2401
01:18:19,770 --> 01:18:21,278
with our food banks that we

2402
01:18:21,278 --> 01:18:23,140
have. I mean, you don't have a

2403
01:18:23,140 --> 01:18:24,214
card that says you've got some

2404
01:18:24,214 --> 01:18:26,117
food for the month, so you

2405
01:18:26,117 --> 01:18:27,285
can't go down the street to the

2406
01:18:27,285 --> 01:18:29,220
next one and the next one.

2407
01:18:29,220 --> 01:18:30,688
There's no way to even govern

2408
01:18:30,688 --> 01:18:32,825
that. Really. Correct. So that

2409
01:18:32,825 --> 01:18:33,891
to, to your point, there's, I

2410
01:18:33,891 --> 01:18:36,127
don't know, some of that would

2411
01:18:36,127 --> 01:18:38,195
be, I'm sure very needed, you

2412
01:18:38,195 --> 01:18:40,331
know, but some of it MAY not be.

2413
01:18:40,331 --> 01:18:41,465
I wouldn't care to speak to

2414
01:18:41,465 --> 01:18:43,434
that at all.

2415
01:18:43,434 --> 01:18:44,669
>> So I can speak to the second

2416
01:18:44,669 --> 01:18:47,571
program. Okay. So the second

2417
01:18:47,571 --> 01:18:49,600
program is the Rapid Rehousing

2418
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,406
Collaborative. And so this

2419
01:18:51,909 --> 01:18:53,678
started, I want to say 2016. It

2420
01:18:53,678 --> 01:18:54,812
was built so that other

2421
01:18:54,812 --> 01:18:56,280
municipalities could join in

2422
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:57,848
the funding. And so this was

2423
01:18:57,848 --> 01:18:58,916
built with the county and the

2424
01:18:58,916 --> 01:19:00,885
city of Saint Petersburg. And

2425
01:19:00,885 --> 01:19:02,653
to date, that is the only city

2426
01:19:02,653 --> 01:19:04,489
that adds funding to this

2427
01:19:04,489 --> 01:19:06,324
agreement. That is rapid

2428
01:19:06,324 --> 01:19:08,724
rehousing for families with

2429
01:19:08,792 --> 01:19:11,192
children and individuals. And

2430
01:19:11,662 --> 01:19:13,130
the county is, I would say, the

2431
01:19:13,130 --> 01:19:15,333
the largest funder of rapid

2432
01:19:15,333 --> 01:19:16,701
rehousing services. We fund two

2433
01:19:16,701 --> 01:19:18,703
programs. So we fund this

2434
01:19:18,703 --> 01:19:20,772
external program, and we have

2435
01:19:20,772 --> 01:19:22,173
an internal staff program. It's

2436
01:19:22,173 --> 01:19:23,941
called the Family Housing

2437
01:19:23,941 --> 01:19:26,110
Assistance Program. But that is

2438
01:19:26,110 --> 01:19:28,579
it. So those are the only

2439
01:19:28,579 --> 01:19:30,480
family rapid rehousing programs.

2440
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:31,549
And while it sounds like

2441
01:19:31,549 --> 01:19:33,549
there's duplication, there's

2442
01:19:34,170 --> 01:19:36,287
not enough. So last week I got

2443
01:19:36,287 --> 01:19:39,123
a report that there are 50 to

2444
01:19:39,123 --> 01:19:40,491
75 families with children

2445
01:19:40,491 --> 01:19:42,293
unsheltered. Today they're not

2446
01:19:42,293 --> 01:19:44,693
in shelter. They're living

2447
01:19:45,262 --> 01:19:46,697
unsheltered on the street. So

2448
01:19:46,697 --> 01:19:48,299
this is kind of that funnel

2449
01:19:48,299 --> 01:19:49,467
that, you know, we have we have

2450
01:19:49,467 --> 01:19:51,202
family emergency shelter as

2451
01:19:51,202 --> 01:19:52,770
part of our book of business.

2452
01:19:52,770 --> 01:19:54,906
They move from family emergency

2453
01:19:54,906 --> 01:19:56,139
shelter into rapid rehousing.

2454
01:19:56,139 --> 01:19:57,408
Then hopefully they're

2455
01:19:57,408 --> 01:19:58,509
stabilized and they don't

2456
01:19:58,509 --> 01:20:00,760
return both of the programs,

2457
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,790
the internal program and this

2458
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:03,814
program that's on the 10th have

2459
01:20:03,814 --> 01:20:05,683
very, very, very low recidivism.

2460
01:20:05,683 --> 01:20:06,783
And we do track that.

2461
01:20:06,783 --> 01:20:08,783
>> Okay.

2462
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,520
>> Is the not nonprofit world

2463
01:20:12,957 --> 01:20:15,159
that deals with homelessness.

2464
01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:17,628
If this program went away, I

2465
01:20:17,628 --> 01:20:18,862
mean, would the not for profit

2466
01:20:18,862 --> 01:20:20,697
world pick it up and run with

2467
01:20:20,697 --> 01:20:22,633
it? Or would these just be 50

2468
01:20:22,633 --> 01:20:22,933
families that would be out on

2469
01:20:22,933 --> 01:20:24,668
the street?

2470
01:20:24,668 --> 01:20:25,870
>> This would be this would be

2471
01:20:25,870 --> 01:20:27,571
almost 100 more families that

2472
01:20:27,571 --> 01:20:28,839
would be on the street and

2473
01:20:28,839 --> 01:20:30,675
there would be no funnel. So I

2474
01:20:30,675 --> 01:20:31,775
don't know that they have the

2475
01:20:31,775 --> 01:20:33,677
capacity to pick up and just

2476
01:20:33,677 --> 01:20:36,180
run this program on their own.

2477
01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:38,180
>> Okay.

2478
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:40,584
>> Okay. If if there's any

2479
01:20:40,584 --> 01:20:42,353
opportunity for improvement in

2480
01:20:42,353 --> 01:20:44,989
these in these programs as far

2481
01:20:44,989 --> 01:20:46,890
as for next year's budget, you

2482
01:20:46,890 --> 01:20:48,492
know, if you could look at that

2483
01:20:48,492 --> 01:20:50,594
between now and when we vote on

2484
01:20:50,594 --> 01:20:51,695
this would be nice.

2485
01:20:51,695 --> 01:20:51,862
Commissioners if there is or

2486
01:20:51,862 --> 01:20:53,862
not.

2487
01:20:54,698 --> 01:20:56,165
>> But well, you know, we've

2488
01:20:56,165 --> 01:20:57,401
talked we've talked a little

2489
01:20:57,401 --> 01:20:59,169
bit about some of the programs

2490
01:20:59,169 --> 01:21:01,104
and we've and we've put some

2491
01:21:01,104 --> 01:21:03,507
areas on for discussion. Right.

2492
01:21:03,507 --> 01:21:05,420
But we also could, you know,

2493
01:21:05,420 --> 01:21:06,510
just like on the health care

2494
01:21:06,510 --> 01:21:07,978
program, we wanted to have that

2495
01:21:07,978 --> 01:21:09,279
ready and back for discussion

2496
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:11,415
this year. It's going to it's

2497
01:21:11,415 --> 01:21:12,550
it's complicated. We sent out

2498
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:13,717
the draft report. We haven't

2499
01:21:13,717 --> 01:21:15,519
even met on that draft report

2500
01:21:15,519 --> 01:21:16,954
yet. It's going to take time to

2501
01:21:16,954 --> 01:21:18,589
implement whatever we decide we

2502
01:21:18,589 --> 01:21:20,390
can do. We can do the same

2503
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:21,391
thing on kind of this nonprofit

2504
01:21:21,391 --> 01:21:22,625
and this homelessness area,

2505
01:21:22,625 --> 01:21:23,827
because they all kind of

2506
01:21:23,827 --> 01:21:26,229
interconnect in some way, shape

2507
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:27,397
or form, and we can look at

2508
01:21:27,397 --> 01:21:29,533
them more holistically in the

2509
01:21:29,533 --> 01:21:30,567
fall, if that's your pleasure.

2510
01:21:30,567 --> 01:21:32,268
Because we never get enough

2511
01:21:32,268 --> 01:21:34,171
time. We get we talk about this

2512
01:21:34,171 --> 01:21:36,373
program or this program or this.

2513
01:21:36,373 --> 01:21:37,607
But to your point, I didn't

2514
01:21:37,607 --> 01:21:39,442
even know some of the stuff on

2515
01:21:39,442 --> 01:21:40,744
what, you know, Sarah was doing

2516
01:21:40,744 --> 01:21:42,112
in the public defender. It

2517
01:21:42,112 --> 01:21:43,981
doesn't mean it's duplicative,

2518
01:21:43,981 --> 01:21:45,715
but it could be. I just don't

2519
01:21:45,715 --> 01:21:46,716
know. And we could look at them

2520
01:21:46,716 --> 01:21:47,918
all at one time.

2521
01:21:47,918 --> 01:21:49,719
>> Yeah. It just seems like

2522
01:21:49,719 --> 01:21:50,821
there's there's lots of pots of

2523
01:21:50,821 --> 01:21:52,623
money that do very, very

2524
01:21:52,623 --> 01:21:53,589
similar things there.

2525
01:21:53,589 --> 01:21:54,624
>> Yeah. And I think.

2526
01:21:54,624 --> 01:21:55,910
>> They're very similar

2527
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:56,625
populations.

2528
01:21:56,625 --> 01:21:57,994
>> Yeah, yeah.

2529
01:21:57,994 --> 01:21:59,630
>> And I, and I, you know,

2530
01:21:59,630 --> 01:22:00,830
again, Karen's, you know, been

2531
01:22:00,830 --> 01:22:02,599
in the business for a while and

2532
01:22:02,599 --> 01:22:03,567
knows the different players out

2533
01:22:03,567 --> 01:22:04,601
there. I think that

2534
01:22:04,601 --> 01:22:07,304
conversation would be really a

2535
01:22:07,304 --> 01:22:08,772
good one to have. I know that

2536
01:22:08,772 --> 01:22:10,974
you keep a close eye on it as

2537
01:22:10,974 --> 01:22:13,900
you can in a system that, as

2538
01:22:13,900 --> 01:22:14,444
you just said, it's hard to

2539
01:22:14,444 --> 01:22:16,844
manage between different groups

2540
01:22:18,415 --> 01:22:20,149
that are involved in some ways.

2541
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:21,919
And I just, you know, you have

2542
01:22:21,919 --> 01:22:23,887
to be careful how we say it,

2543
01:22:23,887 --> 01:22:25,122
but it's almost air on the side

2544
01:22:25,122 --> 01:22:27,230
of caution just a little bit. I

2545
01:22:27,230 --> 01:22:28,124
mean, I know there MAY be a

2546
01:22:28,124 --> 01:22:30,794
little bit of overlap, the

2547
01:22:30,794 --> 01:22:32,462
potential for some, but again,

2548
01:22:32,462 --> 01:22:34,297
there is something about taking

2549
01:22:34,297 --> 01:22:35,665
care of our own, our own

2550
01:22:35,665 --> 01:22:36,833
families that live in our

2551
01:22:36,833 --> 01:22:38,635
county that MAY be having and

2552
01:22:38,635 --> 01:22:41,538
I'm not talking about the folks

2553
01:22:41,538 --> 01:22:43,373
that. And I don't even want to

2554
01:22:43,373 --> 01:22:45,740
use the wrong words here, but

2555
01:22:45,740 --> 01:22:47,544
that, you know, homelessness is

2556
01:22:47,544 --> 01:22:49,450
something that they like. There

2557
01:22:49,450 --> 01:22:50,246
aren't many of those, but there

2558
01:22:50,246 --> 01:22:51,648
are some that just live in that

2559
01:22:51,648 --> 01:22:53,283
world. I'm talking about

2560
01:22:53,283 --> 01:22:56,283
families who MAY be struggling,

2561
01:22:56,619 --> 01:22:58,210
lost a job, lost a house, lost.

2562
01:22:58,210 --> 01:22:59,456
Those are folks that are

2563
01:22:59,456 --> 01:23:00,923
neighbors or friends or

2564
01:23:00,923 --> 01:23:03,826
whatever that I think we have

2565
01:23:03,826 --> 01:23:05,228
to be a little bit aware of

2566
01:23:05,228 --> 01:23:07,330
what we're doing when we take

2567
01:23:07,330 --> 01:23:09,566
programs away that might. And

2568
01:23:09,566 --> 01:23:11,340
again, we're we're talking

2569
01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:12,668
incremental here. I mean, I'm

2570
01:23:12,668 --> 01:23:14,237
not I wasn't here for part of

2571
01:23:14,237 --> 01:23:16,720
the conversation in the first

2572
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:17,507
part, but it seems to me

2573
01:23:17,507 --> 01:23:18,141
without a whole lot of

2574
01:23:18,141 --> 01:23:19,975
straining, we're talking about

2575
01:23:19,975 --> 01:23:21,844
a half a rollback. And now

2576
01:23:21,844 --> 01:23:23,813
we're getting into the into

2577
01:23:23,813 --> 01:23:26,813
that next level of discussion,

2578
01:23:26,815 --> 01:23:28,952
which is, you know, the

2579
01:23:28,952 --> 01:23:31,488
sheriff's is 25% and the rest

2580
01:23:31,488 --> 01:23:32,689
of them roughly 25%. So we're

2581
01:23:32,689 --> 01:23:35,910
we're we're talking in those

2582
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:36,760
where it hurts, you know, and

2583
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,762
so this is where it gets a

2584
01:23:38,762 --> 01:23:40,296
little bit, as you said, dicier.

2585
01:23:40,296 --> 01:23:42,265
And maybe that's the area that

2586
01:23:42,265 --> 01:23:44,768
we need to spend our time on.

2587
01:23:44,768 --> 01:23:45,568
Unless I'm misread the

2588
01:23:45,568 --> 01:23:47,370
commissioners here.

2589
01:23:47,370 --> 01:23:49,872
>> Yes. Thank you chair, I just.

2590
01:23:49,872 --> 01:23:51,374
>> I'm sorry, I, I owed. Her to

2591
01:23:51,374 --> 01:23:52,800
go back to Commissioner Flowers.

2592
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,800
Sorry, Commissioner.

2593
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,181
>> That's okay. That's okay. So

2594
01:23:58,181 --> 01:23:59,448
I meant to say something last

2595
01:23:59,448 --> 01:24:01,784
time we had this discussion and

2596
01:24:01,784 --> 01:24:03,185
I forgot I actually had a

2597
01:24:03,185 --> 01:24:05,287
chance to work with Bob

2598
01:24:05,287 --> 01:24:06,790
Dillinger when he created the

2599
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:08,291
fund out of the public

2600
01:24:08,291 --> 01:24:10,293
defender's office. That fund

2601
01:24:10,293 --> 01:24:11,594
was created because there were

2602
01:24:11,594 --> 01:24:13,296
a number of people that were

2603
01:24:13,296 --> 01:24:15,300
being arrested for substance

2604
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:18,300
abuse issues, didn't have money

2605
01:24:18,668 --> 01:24:19,535
for legal representation. And,

2606
01:24:19,535 --> 01:24:21,236
you know, perhaps the crime

2607
01:24:21,236 --> 01:24:23,339
that they committed wasn't a

2608
01:24:23,339 --> 01:24:26,939
felony, but a misdemeanor or a

2609
01:24:27,310 --> 01:24:28,778
low degree felony. And the

2610
01:24:28,778 --> 01:24:30,880
state and the public defender's

2611
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,681
office felt like putting the

2612
01:24:32,681 --> 01:24:34,830
person into rehab would be a

2613
01:24:34,830 --> 01:24:35,284
good investment. And so I

2614
01:24:35,284 --> 01:24:36,452
worked at Gulf Coast Jewish

2615
01:24:36,452 --> 01:24:38,852
Family and Community Services.

2616
01:24:39,188 --> 01:24:41,124
We had two facilities on

2617
01:24:41,124 --> 01:24:42,391
darling Darlington Avenue. So

2618
01:24:42,391 --> 01:24:44,627
that's the borderline between

2619
01:24:44,627 --> 01:24:45,662
Pasco and Pinellas. We had two

2620
01:24:45,662 --> 01:24:47,463
facilities up there. And so

2621
01:24:47,463 --> 01:24:49,863
those funds initially were

2622
01:24:50,700 --> 01:24:51,800
utilized to secure beds for the

2623
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,735
rehabilitation. So we had one

2624
01:24:53,735 --> 01:24:54,904
side that was men and one the

2625
01:24:54,904 --> 01:24:57,639
other side that was for women.

2626
01:24:57,639 --> 01:24:59,642
And so they received

2627
01:24:59,642 --> 01:25:01,411
residential treatment services,

2628
01:25:01,411 --> 01:25:03,811
intense wraparound services for

2629
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:05,448
the family. If there was family

2630
01:25:05,448 --> 01:25:07,216
services for the children, and

2631
01:25:07,216 --> 01:25:08,450
then of course, they were able

2632
01:25:08,450 --> 01:25:10,920
to stay there and gain some of

2633
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,288
the skills needed in order for

2634
01:25:12,288 --> 01:25:14,890
them to become self-sufficient

2635
01:25:14,890 --> 01:25:15,824
once they were, once they

2636
01:25:15,824 --> 01:25:18,600
graduated or moved on from the

2637
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:19,829
program. So that's how that

2638
01:25:19,829 --> 01:25:20,996
program actually started. As a

2639
01:25:20,996 --> 01:25:22,798
matter of fact, I went up one

2640
01:25:22,798 --> 01:25:24,330
year begging them for more

2641
01:25:24,330 --> 01:25:25,901
money and and he had come here

2642
01:25:25,901 --> 01:25:27,202
to beg for more money because

2643
01:25:27,202 --> 01:25:28,970
we were really able to change

2644
01:25:28,970 --> 01:25:30,839
some lives. So I meant to share

2645
01:25:30,839 --> 01:25:31,974
that when you were asking, what

2646
01:25:31,974 --> 01:25:33,842
are those dollars used for? And

2647
01:25:33,842 --> 01:25:34,977
I don't quite get it or

2648
01:25:34,977 --> 01:25:36,120
understand it. With the

2649
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,479
development and construction of

2650
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,115
the Davis Bradley building,

2651
01:25:39,115 --> 01:25:42,185
which is in Saint Pete, it was

2652
01:25:42,185 --> 01:25:44,200
an old nursing home that was

2653
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,823
renovated. West care is the

2654
01:25:46,823 --> 01:25:49,458
lead agency there, but I worked

2655
01:25:49,458 --> 01:25:50,759
there with the coalition for

2656
01:25:50,759 --> 01:25:51,927
Safe and Drug Free Saint

2657
01:25:51,927 --> 01:25:53,662
Petersburg, and we provided

2658
01:25:53,662 --> 01:25:55,864
those wraparound services and

2659
01:25:55,864 --> 01:25:57,265
support services for the family.

2660
01:25:57,265 --> 01:25:58,801
And it was a residential

2661
01:25:58,801 --> 01:26:00,202
treatment. It still is a

2662
01:26:00,202 --> 01:26:02,202
residential treatment facility,

2663
01:26:02,437 --> 01:26:03,606
initially for all men. And then

2664
01:26:03,606 --> 01:26:06,241
they brought in women. But some

2665
01:26:06,241 --> 01:26:07,976
of those funds that the public

2666
01:26:07,976 --> 01:26:09,478
defender's office had to try to

2667
01:26:09,478 --> 01:26:11,146
help those individuals went to

2668
01:26:11,146 --> 01:26:13,582
pay for those beds. So West

2669
01:26:13,582 --> 01:26:14,950
Care got money from the state.

2670
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:16,118
You know, they got money from

2671
01:26:16,118 --> 01:26:17,553
Samhsa funding substance abuse

2672
01:26:17,553 --> 01:26:18,520
and mental health services out

2673
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,222
of the federal government to

2674
01:26:20,222 --> 01:26:21,289
help pay for that. So that's

2675
01:26:21,289 --> 01:26:23,125
some of those dollars are

2676
01:26:23,125 --> 01:26:24,327
useful. I just forgot to share

2677
01:26:24,327 --> 01:26:26,228
that. When you had asked a very

2678
01:26:26,228 --> 01:26:27,863
good question. A lot of people

2679
01:26:27,863 --> 01:26:30,799
don't know that. I don't think

2680
01:26:30,799 --> 01:26:32,902
so. I wanted to share that the

2681
01:26:32,902 --> 01:26:34,300
the concern I have with social

2682
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:35,137
action funding. And it's not

2683
01:26:35,137 --> 01:26:38,107
just because that's the area

2684
01:26:38,107 --> 01:26:41,707
I've worked in, I guess really

2685
01:26:42,277 --> 01:26:43,245
all my adult life we have had,

2686
01:26:43,245 --> 01:26:44,346
unfortunately, so many laws

2687
01:26:44,346 --> 01:26:46,215
that have been implemented by

2688
01:26:46,215 --> 01:26:48,170
the state legislature that in

2689
01:26:48,170 --> 01:26:49,151
some instances criminalizes

2690
01:26:49,151 --> 01:26:50,485
homelessness, because if they

2691
01:26:50,485 --> 01:26:52,387
sleep in their cars now, they

2692
01:26:52,387 --> 01:26:53,688
can be arrested. We do have

2693
01:26:53,688 --> 01:26:55,624
families that are sleeping in

2694
01:26:55,624 --> 01:26:57,425
their cars, and you can go by

2695
01:26:57,425 --> 01:26:59,527
Walmart and see them, you know,

2696
01:26:59,527 --> 01:27:01,396
parked with stuff up over the

2697
01:27:01,396 --> 01:27:03,532
windows, you know, and whatnot.

2698
01:27:03,532 --> 01:27:05,333
They go in to Wawa and other

2699
01:27:05,333 --> 01:27:06,568
places to get themselves

2700
01:27:06,568 --> 01:27:08,337
cleaned up, and their children

2701
01:27:08,337 --> 01:27:09,671
are off to school in the

2702
01:27:09,671 --> 01:27:11,506
morning. How do I know that?

2703
01:27:11,506 --> 01:27:13,642
Because I worked with a group

2704
01:27:13,642 --> 01:27:15,443
of volunteers and we raised

2705
01:27:15,443 --> 01:27:17,245
money to buy uniforms for

2706
01:27:17,245 --> 01:27:18,647
school and personal supplies to

2707
01:27:18,647 --> 01:27:20,115
give to them so that their

2708
01:27:20,115 --> 01:27:21,583
children could start school.

2709
01:27:21,583 --> 01:27:23,118
And their greatest fear was if

2710
01:27:23,118 --> 01:27:24,219
they find out that I'm homeless

2711
01:27:24,219 --> 01:27:26,254
and my kids are homeless, I'm

2712
01:27:26,254 --> 01:27:29,854
going to lose custody of them.

2713
01:27:31,193 --> 01:27:32,327
So when it comes to the

2714
01:27:32,327 --> 01:27:33,895
services, that allows an

2715
01:27:33,895 --> 01:27:35,730
individual to be able to move

2716
01:27:35,730 --> 01:27:36,832
into a place that has a roof

2717
01:27:36,832 --> 01:27:38,700
over their head, as long as

2718
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:40,268
they can show that they can

2719
01:27:40,268 --> 01:27:42,837
continue, they have a job that

2720
01:27:42,837 --> 01:27:44,138
can pay the rent and utility

2721
01:27:44,138 --> 01:27:45,707
bills and things of that nature.

2722
01:27:45,707 --> 01:27:47,442
It does so much because a lot

2723
01:27:47,442 --> 01:27:49,211
of those families, they are

2724
01:27:49,211 --> 01:27:50,945
working, both parents are

2725
01:27:50,945 --> 01:27:53,945
working. They're just not able

2726
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,384
to afford to get into a place

2727
01:27:56,384 --> 01:27:57,485
when you need first, last and

2728
01:27:57,485 --> 01:27:58,987
security. And typically the

2729
01:27:58,987 --> 01:28:01,489
landlord is asking for twice

2730
01:28:01,489 --> 01:28:02,591
the amount of what the rent is.

2731
01:28:02,591 --> 01:28:05,427
And in some instances, that's

2732
01:28:05,427 --> 01:28:07,929
about $6,000 to move into a

2733
01:28:07,929 --> 01:28:10,164
small apartment. So I really

2734
01:28:10,164 --> 01:28:11,165
support that. And if you all

2735
01:28:11,165 --> 01:28:12,634
also remember when we were

2736
01:28:12,634 --> 01:28:15,236
meeting over across the street,

2737
01:28:15,236 --> 01:28:17,271
we gave the free clinic a lot

2738
01:28:17,271 --> 01:28:19,207
of money to purchase that new

2739
01:28:19,207 --> 01:28:20,942
warehouse off of 22nd Avenue so

2740
01:28:20,942 --> 01:28:22,844
that they could expand their

2741
01:28:22,844 --> 01:28:24,445
storage space for the food that

2742
01:28:24,445 --> 01:28:25,680
they distribute to the public.

2743
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,782
I think some of you all have

2744
01:28:27,782 --> 01:28:30,985
toured over there. I know I

2745
01:28:30,985 --> 01:28:34,156
have, and it is it used to be

2746
01:28:34,156 --> 01:28:35,490
the warehouse that was back up

2747
01:28:35,490 --> 01:28:36,724
in there that did many blinds

2748
01:28:36,724 --> 01:28:38,193
and stuff like that, that

2749
01:28:38,193 --> 01:28:40,593
employed several people. But

2750
01:28:40,661 --> 01:28:42,764
I've toured and gone over there

2751
01:28:42,764 --> 01:28:43,899
and it's the way that they have

2752
01:28:43,899 --> 01:28:45,990
it. You would think you're

2753
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:46,834
walking into a Costco or Sam's,

2754
01:28:46,834 --> 01:28:49,834
the way they have everything

2755
01:28:50,380 --> 01:28:54,420
lined up and just so clean. And

2756
01:28:54,420 --> 01:28:56,611
then they provide those foods

2757
01:28:56,611 --> 01:28:57,645
that they collect to other

2758
01:28:57,645 --> 01:28:59,848
groups, like churches that do

2759
01:28:59,848 --> 01:29:01,848
food distributions. Feeding

2760
01:29:02,500 --> 01:29:03,418
Tampa Bay comes in and provides

2761
01:29:03,418 --> 01:29:05,953
the food to do food

2762
01:29:05,953 --> 01:29:07,388
distributions. If you want to

2763
01:29:07,388 --> 01:29:08,989
see whether or not the need

2764
01:29:08,989 --> 01:29:10,580
still exists, you can come on a

2765
01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:12,227
Saturday morning, get there

2766
01:29:12,227 --> 01:29:14,562
about 9:00, 930 on the corner

2767
01:29:14,562 --> 01:29:16,300
of 22nd Street and 18th Avenue

2768
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:18,132
South, and you will see the

2769
01:29:18,132 --> 01:29:20,301
line all the way from 22nd

2770
01:29:20,301 --> 01:29:22,136
Street down to 16th Street. How

2771
01:29:22,136 --> 01:29:23,205
long that line is. And it wraps

2772
01:29:23,205 --> 01:29:25,239
around the corner every

2773
01:29:25,239 --> 01:29:26,474
Saturday for and not people who

2774
01:29:26,474 --> 01:29:28,609
just, you know, are coming to

2775
01:29:28,609 --> 01:29:30,440
be greedy people who still need,

2776
01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:32,546
you know, the food support and

2777
01:29:32,546 --> 01:29:34,215
food assistance. So I, I see

2778
01:29:34,215 --> 01:29:35,216
every Saturday and it's not

2779
01:29:35,216 --> 01:29:36,617
just them. Mount Zion

2780
01:29:36,617 --> 01:29:39,170
progressive does it on

2781
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:39,754
Wednesdays. There are some

2782
01:29:39,754 --> 01:29:41,690
organizations, when they're

2783
01:29:41,690 --> 01:29:43,591
doing paperwork to help, they

2784
01:29:43,591 --> 01:29:46,261
try to track a person so that

2785
01:29:46,261 --> 01:29:49,163
they know you got help from the

2786
01:29:49,163 --> 01:29:50,999
Urban League for your lights.

2787
01:29:50,999 --> 01:29:52,234
And so we already know you've

2788
01:29:52,234 --> 01:29:53,434
gotten support for that. So

2789
01:29:53,434 --> 01:29:55,370
we're not going to do it, but

2790
01:29:55,370 --> 01:29:57,772
it's not on a bigger system.

2791
01:29:57,772 --> 01:29:59,507
Like what? I would agree that

2792
01:29:59,507 --> 01:30:01,375
if something could be done to

2793
01:30:01,375 --> 01:30:02,810
do that, I support that because

2794
01:30:02,810 --> 01:30:04,178
that way you could help many

2795
01:30:04,178 --> 01:30:06,800
more families when persons

2796
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:07,815
aren't getting services, you

2797
01:30:07,815 --> 01:30:11,190
know, from all of the different

2798
01:30:11,190 --> 01:30:12,486
resources and repeat people

2799
01:30:12,486 --> 01:30:14,755
consistently coming, you know,

2800
01:30:14,755 --> 01:30:16,224
now the issue is, so let's sit

2801
01:30:16,224 --> 01:30:17,925
down and talk about your

2802
01:30:17,925 --> 01:30:19,727
finances or where you are

2803
01:30:19,727 --> 01:30:21,562
because you are in every month

2804
01:30:21,562 --> 01:30:22,630
person rather than a, you know,

2805
01:30:22,630 --> 01:30:25,630
when you really, really need

2806
01:30:25,867 --> 01:30:27,268
that, that help for our

2807
01:30:27,268 --> 01:30:29,700
homeless persons who are

2808
01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:31,238
receiving those mental health

2809
01:30:31,238 --> 01:30:33,441
services. And I'm talking

2810
01:30:33,441 --> 01:30:35,576
schizophrenia on up that are

2811
01:30:35,576 --> 01:30:36,644
really concerning behaviors,

2812
01:30:36,644 --> 01:30:38,813
those people are going to end

2813
01:30:38,813 --> 01:30:39,947
up in our jails. And Sheriff

2814
01:30:39,947 --> 01:30:41,683
Bob Gualtieri has already

2815
01:30:41,683 --> 01:30:42,917
talked about about that they're

2816
01:30:42,917 --> 01:30:45,286
going to end up in our jails

2817
01:30:45,286 --> 01:30:47,488
because they can't afford an

2818
01:30:47,488 --> 01:30:48,589
attorney to get out, or it's a

2819
01:30:48,589 --> 01:30:50,191
revolving door they'll be in,

2820
01:30:50,191 --> 01:30:51,392
then they'll be out. They'll

2821
01:30:51,392 --> 01:30:52,826
get rearrested because of their

2822
01:30:52,826 --> 01:30:54,620
behavior and it's not under

2823
01:30:54,620 --> 01:30:55,395
control. They're not taking

2824
01:30:55,395 --> 01:30:57,631
their medication. They're not

2825
01:30:57,631 --> 01:31:00,340
in a solid place, you know, to

2826
01:31:00,340 --> 01:31:00,934
kind of give them that support

2827
01:31:00,934 --> 01:31:02,503
and make sure that they're

2828
01:31:02,503 --> 01:31:04,405
doing the things that they need

2829
01:31:04,405 --> 01:31:05,406
to do. And a lot of our

2830
01:31:05,406 --> 01:31:06,607
homeless people, they are

2831
01:31:06,607 --> 01:31:08,509
veterans. When we do the point

2832
01:31:08,509 --> 01:31:09,843
in time count, and for the ones

2833
01:31:09,843 --> 01:31:11,612
that will share information, a

2834
01:31:11,612 --> 01:31:12,980
lot of them are veterans. So

2835
01:31:12,980 --> 01:31:13,881
when it comes to social action

2836
01:31:13,881 --> 01:31:15,583
funding, and again, I'm not

2837
01:31:15,583 --> 01:31:16,784
just saying it because that's

2838
01:31:16,784 --> 01:31:18,686
the world that I've worked in

2839
01:31:18,686 --> 01:31:21,322
for so many years. And I do

2840
01:31:21,322 --> 01:31:24,559
have a heart for that. It is

2841
01:31:24,559 --> 01:31:27,940
because even persons who go to

2842
01:31:27,940 --> 01:31:30,331
work every day who MAY seem

2843
01:31:30,331 --> 01:31:32,433
like they're okay, they are not.

2844
01:31:32,433 --> 01:31:33,901
And the few things that we

2845
01:31:33,901 --> 01:31:36,301
provide through our social

2846
01:31:36,737 --> 01:31:38,706
action funding, it nowhere near

2847
01:31:38,706 --> 01:31:40,741
covers all of it, but it does

2848
01:31:40,741 --> 01:31:41,642
give those organizations an

2849
01:31:41,642 --> 01:31:43,310
opportunity to help people

2850
01:31:43,310 --> 01:31:44,478
right in the community. And I'm

2851
01:31:44,478 --> 01:31:46,280
not saying that you're saying

2852
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:47,347
this, but I'm just going to

2853
01:31:47,347 --> 01:31:48,683
make this comment. Even if they

2854
01:31:48,683 --> 01:31:49,684
work at McDonald's, Burger King

2855
01:31:49,684 --> 01:31:52,840
or Wendy's, they're paying

2856
01:31:52,586 --> 01:31:54,455
taxes. Their taxes are being

2857
01:31:54,455 --> 01:31:56,123
put back into the community, or

2858
01:31:56,123 --> 01:31:57,358
the revenues are being put back

2859
01:31:57,358 --> 01:31:58,759
into the community. And this is

2860
01:31:58,759 --> 01:32:00,528
the one specific area where

2861
01:32:00,528 --> 01:32:02,362
they need some help and support.

2862
01:32:02,362 --> 01:32:04,231
And I would just love it if we

2863
01:32:04,231 --> 01:32:06,701
would continue to be mindful

2864
01:32:06,701 --> 01:32:08,135
and thoughtful of that, because

2865
01:32:08,135 --> 01:32:09,970
we probably know some people

2866
01:32:09,970 --> 01:32:11,772
who had some very good lives.

2867
01:32:11,772 --> 01:32:14,575
At one point, things happen,

2868
01:32:14,575 --> 01:32:16,975
life happened, medical bills,

2869
01:32:17,410 --> 01:32:19,280
divorce, loss of, of life, loss

2870
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:20,647
of a partner or whatever. And

2871
01:32:20,647 --> 01:32:22,383
so now they're not where they

2872
01:32:22,383 --> 01:32:23,584
used to be and they're having

2873
01:32:23,584 --> 01:32:25,719
to navigate places where

2874
01:32:25,719 --> 01:32:27,822
they've never had to ask for

2875
01:32:27,822 --> 01:32:29,189
help, but they are grateful

2876
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:31,425
that there are organizations

2877
01:32:31,425 --> 01:32:33,193
out there in the community that

2878
01:32:33,193 --> 01:32:36,197
can provide them with that help

2879
01:32:36,197 --> 01:32:37,932
and support. So I don't I don't

2880
01:32:37,932 --> 01:32:40,801
mind looking at reducing like

2881
01:32:40,801 --> 01:32:42,570
what has been presented, but I

2882
01:32:42,570 --> 01:32:44,772
would really love if we would

2883
01:32:44,772 --> 01:32:47,172
support keeping something there

2884
01:32:47,708 --> 01:32:49,109
because we are really doing a

2885
01:32:49,109 --> 01:32:50,177
tremendous service to help

2886
01:32:50,177 --> 01:32:51,812
people that are in need.

2887
01:32:51,812 --> 01:32:53,146
>> And you and you mentioned

2888
01:32:53,146 --> 01:32:54,848
the parents and working, but

2889
01:32:54,848 --> 01:32:55,649
the kids going to school is a

2890
01:32:55,649 --> 01:32:57,840
whole nother thing.

2891
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:58,918
>> Yeah. And yeah, like I said,

2892
01:32:58,918 --> 01:33:00,540
I'm, I could take you to some

2893
01:33:00,540 --> 01:33:01,388
of the spots because they're

2894
01:33:01,388 --> 01:33:02,789
very fearful that, you know,

2895
01:33:02,789 --> 01:33:03,891
you're, you're elected official,

2896
01:33:03,891 --> 01:33:05,826
you're going to tell them, no,

2897
01:33:05,826 --> 01:33:06,993
no, I'm not going to report you.

2898
01:33:06,993 --> 01:33:08,829
You're doing the best you can,

2899
01:33:08,829 --> 01:33:10,396
but what services can we give?

2900
01:33:10,396 --> 01:33:13,234
And it's hurtful when even I'm

2901
01:33:13,234 --> 01:33:15,200
calling on their behalf. And

2902
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,938
like Karen said, the Urban

2903
01:33:17,938 --> 01:33:19,730
League gets a pot of money. And

2904
01:33:19,730 --> 01:33:20,607
and they have people that call

2905
01:33:20,607 --> 01:33:21,842
and they're quote unquote on

2906
01:33:21,842 --> 01:33:23,343
the wait list and they have to

2907
01:33:23,343 --> 01:33:25,743
provide documentation. But that

2908
01:33:26,279 --> 01:33:28,681
money goes quickly. You have a

2909
01:33:28,681 --> 01:33:31,250
poc that have the ability to

2910
01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:33,530
help seniors. That money goes.

2911
01:33:33,530 --> 01:33:35,155
It just goes extremely quick

2912
01:33:35,155 --> 01:33:36,790
because the need is so great.

2913
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:38,359
And unfortunately, the costs

2914
01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:39,559
are more than what they can

2915
01:33:39,559 --> 01:33:42,395
spread out. So they're only

2916
01:33:42,395 --> 01:33:43,830
able to help fewer people. So I

2917
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:45,899
would love it if the state

2918
01:33:45,899 --> 01:33:47,768
would step up and help. And I'm

2919
01:33:47,768 --> 01:33:49,169
not saying that at some point

2920
01:33:49,169 --> 01:33:51,371
they shouldn't, because I think

2921
01:33:51,371 --> 01:33:52,539
they should, because those

2922
01:33:52,539 --> 01:33:54,939
legislators represent the same

2923
01:33:55,642 --> 01:33:58,278
people that we represent. But I

2924
01:33:58,278 --> 01:33:59,680
also know how many, and I'm

2925
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,214
sure you guys do too. You've

2926
01:34:01,214 --> 01:34:03,820
heard the stories. You see it.

2927
01:34:03,820 --> 01:34:04,284
I know you know some of the

2928
01:34:04,284 --> 01:34:05,385
same people. I know you know

2929
01:34:05,385 --> 01:34:07,187
who's out there hurting and

2930
01:34:07,187 --> 01:34:08,354
need the services. So I would

2931
01:34:08,354 --> 01:34:09,389
like for us to seriously

2932
01:34:09,389 --> 01:34:11,910
consider at least keeping the

2933
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:14,910
amount that has been presented

2934
01:34:14,161 --> 01:34:16,229
to us there in the budget. When

2935
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:17,297
it comes to the scholarship. We

2936
01:34:17,297 --> 01:34:18,465
haven't gotten there yet, but I

2937
01:34:18,465 --> 01:34:20,366
still support that. I thought

2938
01:34:20,366 --> 01:34:22,269
that was a good idea, and it's

2939
01:34:22,269 --> 01:34:24,404
being taken out of a portion of

2940
01:34:24,404 --> 01:34:25,605
our what we have in our offices.

2941
01:34:25,605 --> 01:34:27,474
So I don't know how you all

2942
01:34:27,474 --> 01:34:29,375
feel, but I still support that.

2943
01:34:29,375 --> 01:34:30,477
I know you, the blue ain't what

2944
01:34:30,477 --> 01:34:31,544
you're recommending to go away,

2945
01:34:31,544 --> 01:34:33,513
but I'm just speaking.

2946
01:34:33,513 --> 01:34:34,714
>> Yeah, we have to we have to

2947
01:34:34,714 --> 01:34:35,848
modify that. I guess a couple

2948
01:34:35,848 --> 01:34:37,551
of comments from commissioners

2949
01:34:37,551 --> 01:34:39,419
on that one. Okay. I'll have to

2950
01:34:39,419 --> 01:34:39,652
I'll have to clarify that in a

2951
01:34:39,652 --> 01:34:40,753
second.

2952
01:34:40,753 --> 01:34:41,421
>> Okay. We'll clarify. But

2953
01:34:41,421 --> 01:34:42,555
that's.

2954
01:34:42,555 --> 01:34:43,689
>> Not a budget. We're not

2955
01:34:43,689 --> 01:34:45,559
solving the budget with that.

2956
01:34:45,559 --> 01:34:47,393
>> Yeah, but I support that. So

2957
01:34:47,393 --> 01:34:48,561
I'm just saying. And then the

2958
01:34:48,561 --> 01:34:50,397
Bay care home care, you know, I

2959
01:34:50,397 --> 01:34:51,664
kind of wrapped those comments

2960
01:34:51,664 --> 01:34:53,465
up into what I just discussed

2961
01:34:53,465 --> 01:34:54,533
about the need to be able to

2962
01:34:54,533 --> 01:34:55,501
provide those services because

2963
01:34:55,501 --> 01:34:57,404
they'll end elsewhere. So

2964
01:34:57,404 --> 01:34:58,605
that's all I have to say. Thank

2965
01:34:58,605 --> 01:34:59,739
you all so very much for

2966
01:34:59,739 --> 01:35:01,441
listening to my long comments.

2967
01:35:01,441 --> 01:35:02,375
>> Thank you. Thank you for

2968
01:35:02,375 --> 01:35:02,975
your perspective, Commissioner

2969
01:35:02,975 --> 01:35:04,975
Flowers. Commissioner Scheer.

2970
01:35:05,612 --> 01:35:07,313
>> Thank you. Chair, I, I

2971
01:35:07,313 --> 01:35:09,149
appreciate the time. I first of

2972
01:35:09,149 --> 01:35:10,583
all, very. And, Chris, I

2973
01:35:10,583 --> 01:35:12,180
appreciate all the work you did,

2974
01:35:12,180 --> 01:35:13,253
answering all my questions, and

2975
01:35:13,253 --> 01:35:14,354
you all worked really hard on

2976
01:35:14,354 --> 01:35:16,122
getting the budget. I was very

2977
01:35:16,122 --> 01:35:17,323
encouraged when you brought the

2978
01:35:17,323 --> 01:35:19,192
first budget out and saw how

2979
01:35:19,192 --> 01:35:20,360
close we were to a rollback,

2980
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,228
and I still think we're very

2981
01:35:22,228 --> 01:35:24,297
close. But I just want to say

2982
01:35:24,297 --> 01:35:25,365
up front on a few of these

2983
01:35:25,365 --> 01:35:26,600
things, I will not be

2984
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:28,634
supporting any more reductions

2985
01:35:28,634 --> 01:35:31,634
to the sheriff's budget. He's

2986
01:35:32,939 --> 01:35:34,708
done enough already. Number two,

2987
01:35:34,708 --> 01:35:37,108
I agree with Commissioner

2988
01:35:38,712 --> 01:35:40,446
Latvala and Commissioner Scott

2989
01:35:40,446 --> 01:35:42,810
on the special action funding.

2990
01:35:42,810 --> 01:35:43,350
I think it should come from the

2991
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:45,352
state. I appreciate those

2992
01:35:45,352 --> 01:35:47,752
comments. And then specifically

2993
01:35:48,530 --> 01:35:50,223
on the the rapid housing, you

2994
01:35:50,223 --> 01:35:52,325
know, there's a lot of places

2995
01:35:52,325 --> 01:35:53,759
I'm on the Pinellas Safety

2996
01:35:53,759 --> 01:35:55,759
Council Coordinating Council.

2997
01:35:56,295 --> 01:35:58,531
There are a lot of places in

2998
01:35:58,531 --> 01:35:59,933
Pinellas County where for

2999
01:35:59,933 --> 01:36:02,333
homelessness for adults, but

3000
01:36:03,570 --> 01:36:06,505
not so many for families. So

3001
01:36:06,505 --> 01:36:08,241
when that item comes up and I

3002
01:36:08,241 --> 01:36:10,900
appreciate your your comments,

3003
01:36:10,900 --> 01:36:12,245
Commissioner Scott, I, I just

3004
01:36:12,245 --> 01:36:13,480
feel like maybe the adult we

3005
01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:15,415
could do away with that program

3006
01:36:15,415 --> 01:36:19,150
and maybe take half the money

3007
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,354
and put it in a, in the, the

3008
01:36:21,354 --> 01:36:22,622
fund for the children families,

3009
01:36:22,622 --> 01:36:25,491
because we don't have enough

3010
01:36:25,491 --> 01:36:26,392
for, for families. So that's

3011
01:36:26,392 --> 01:36:28,294
something I was going to bring

3012
01:36:28,294 --> 01:36:31,664
up at the next meeting. So I'm

3013
01:36:31,664 --> 01:36:33,566
glad you did. And then I did

3014
01:36:33,566 --> 01:36:35,234
want to bring up, I did send

3015
01:36:35,234 --> 01:36:37,737
this memo out and I'm not going

3016
01:36:37,737 --> 01:36:40,340
to cover every bit of it. But

3017
01:36:40,340 --> 01:36:42,740
on getting back to the idea, if

3018
01:36:42,740 --> 01:36:45,674
we do away with the special

3019
01:36:46,779 --> 01:36:48,147
action, and I actually the the

3020
01:36:48,147 --> 01:36:50,415
home care, I like that because

3021
01:36:50,415 --> 01:36:51,884
it's more expensive to, to help

3022
01:36:51,884 --> 01:36:53,986
people out of their homes and

3023
01:36:53,986 --> 01:36:55,421
than it is in their homes. But

3024
01:36:55,421 --> 01:36:56,956
we're still really close. And

3025
01:36:56,956 --> 01:36:59,625
then I wanted to remind you

3026
01:36:59,625 --> 01:37:01,894
that fleet management, fleet

3027
01:37:01,894 --> 01:37:04,294
management, you're. The budget

3028
01:37:06,199 --> 01:37:08,199
proposes a 2,500,000, almost

3029
01:37:08,668 --> 01:37:10,536
$500,000 increase into the

3030
01:37:10,536 --> 01:37:12,536
reserves. Fleet management

3031
01:37:13,739 --> 01:37:14,841
already has $2 million in

3032
01:37:14,841 --> 01:37:17,241
contingency reserves, and it

3033
01:37:18,478 --> 01:37:19,645
already has $17 million in

3034
01:37:19,645 --> 01:37:21,480
reserves. I don't know what the

3035
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:23,515
difference is, but that's 20

3036
01:37:23,515 --> 01:37:25,918
million. So I don't believe we

3037
01:37:25,918 --> 01:37:27,860
need $2.5 million to go to

3038
01:37:27,860 --> 01:37:29,486
fleet management reserves. So

3039
01:37:31,890 --> 01:37:32,910
that's 2.5 million.

3040
01:37:32,910 --> 01:37:33,192
>> Could I address.

3041
01:37:33,192 --> 01:37:35,194
>> If you want, if.

3042
01:37:35,194 --> 01:37:37,950
>> We go along just so we don't

3043
01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:40,499
kind of get off and take those

3044
01:37:40,499 --> 01:37:41,701
for gospel. Okay. So let's

3045
01:37:41,701 --> 01:37:43,502
let's address some of these.

3046
01:37:43,502 --> 01:37:45,204
And Commissioner, you spent a

3047
01:37:45,204 --> 01:37:47,730
lot of time on the budget, but

3048
01:37:47,730 --> 01:37:48,341
but it's not easy to read a

3049
01:37:48,341 --> 01:37:49,442
budget and, and, and

3050
01:37:49,442 --> 01:37:51,310
necessarily understand the

3051
01:37:51,310 --> 01:37:54,113
funding pieces that go into it

3052
01:37:54,113 --> 01:37:55,548
and the way we draw those down.

3053
01:37:55,548 --> 01:37:57,549
And so like, for instance, on

3054
01:37:57,549 --> 01:38:00,919
the fleet budget, so this is

3055
01:38:00,919 --> 01:38:02,540
not a general fund expense. A

3056
01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:04,523
7% is charged back to the

3057
01:38:04,523 --> 01:38:06,359
general fund. So again, all

3058
01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:09,195
your all your other funds that,

3059
01:38:09,195 --> 01:38:12,300
that go into that. And so the

3060
01:38:12,300 --> 01:38:13,833
contingency reserve for 27 is

3061
01:38:13,833 --> 01:38:15,267
just $1 million. The

3062
01:38:15,267 --> 01:38:17,267
replacement reserves for

3063
01:38:17,536 --> 01:38:19,536
vehicle replacement is 20

3064
01:38:19,638 --> 01:38:21,720
million. So we budget for that

3065
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:22,274
replacement vehicle. If we take

3066
01:38:22,274 --> 01:38:23,909
that down, then when it comes

3067
01:38:23,909 --> 01:38:25,377
time to replace that piece of

3068
01:38:25,377 --> 01:38:27,545
equipment or vehicle, we don't

3069
01:38:27,545 --> 01:38:29,715
have the funding available. And

3070
01:38:29,715 --> 01:38:30,749
so these are these are planned

3071
01:38:30,749 --> 01:38:32,718
expenditures for the

3072
01:38:32,718 --> 01:38:35,118
replacement of vehicles. And

3073
01:38:35,855 --> 01:38:37,256
then the contingency reserves.

3074
01:38:37,256 --> 01:38:39,910
We we actually and I'll let

3075
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:40,593
Chris explain this. There's a

3076
01:38:40,593 --> 01:38:42,593
contingency reserve of 4.5

3077
01:38:44,129 --> 01:38:45,697
million from the bis. We

3078
01:38:45,697 --> 01:38:47,320
reduced that down. And so

3079
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:48,334
that's, that's already gone

3080
01:38:48,334 --> 01:38:49,467
from. Because I think you're

3081
01:38:49,467 --> 01:38:50,402
getting some of the numbers

3082
01:38:50,402 --> 01:38:52,337
from the original bis.

3083
01:38:52,337 --> 01:38:53,338
>> That's what I was working

3084
01:38:53,338 --> 01:38:54,506
because I didn't get any.

3085
01:38:54,506 --> 01:38:56,408
>> Yeah. So there was a there

3086
01:38:56,408 --> 01:38:57,743
was a change between the bis

3087
01:38:57,743 --> 01:38:59,440
and my budget recommendation.

3088
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:00,613
And so there is a difference

3089
01:39:00,613 --> 01:39:01,680
there. And I would understand

3090
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:02,915
how you wouldn't you wouldn't

3091
01:39:02,915 --> 01:39:04,750
catch that. And so we're down

3092
01:39:04,750 --> 01:39:06,451
to $1 million in reserves there.

3093
01:39:06,451 --> 01:39:08,621
And again out of that there's

3094
01:39:08,621 --> 01:39:10,221
only 11% of it is general fund.

3095
01:39:10,221 --> 01:39:12,958
>> Okay. And then what about

3096
01:39:12,958 --> 01:39:13,325
the building development

3097
01:39:13,325 --> 01:39:15,930
services.

3098
01:39:15,930 --> 01:39:16,895
>> Building development review

3099
01:39:16,895 --> 01:39:18,697
services? So that first off,

3100
01:39:18,697 --> 01:39:20,932
that's that's not general fund

3101
01:39:20,932 --> 01:39:23,602
either. Let me go over to where

3102
01:39:23,602 --> 01:39:27,202
that is. Chris, which page is

3103
01:39:29,174 --> 01:39:30,275
that on? Oh, I got it. So again,

3104
01:39:30,275 --> 01:39:31,676
these are not general fund

3105
01:39:31,676 --> 01:39:32,711
dollars of the reserves 3.9

3106
01:39:32,711 --> 01:39:34,513
million. That's one time

3107
01:39:34,513 --> 01:39:35,914
funding that we set aside for

3108
01:39:35,914 --> 01:39:37,482
substantially damaged

3109
01:39:37,482 --> 01:39:38,484
properties. So, so all the work

3110
01:39:38,484 --> 01:39:39,518
that we're doing on

3111
01:39:39,518 --> 01:39:41,860
substantially damaged

3112
01:39:41,860 --> 01:39:42,487
properties, again, that's

3113
01:39:42,487 --> 01:39:44,589
that's stuff that we had to pay

3114
01:39:44,589 --> 01:39:46,580
out in order to address that.

3115
01:39:46,580 --> 01:39:47,725
It was one time money that we

3116
01:39:47,725 --> 01:39:48,827
put in to address it. We're

3117
01:39:48,827 --> 01:39:50,696
actually moving it out over to

3118
01:39:50,696 --> 01:39:52,498
a different fund, but that's

3119
01:39:52,498 --> 01:39:54,299
here nor there. But again,

3120
01:39:54,299 --> 01:39:55,733
these the building fund is a

3121
01:39:55,733 --> 01:39:57,469
special revenue fund and is

3122
01:39:57,469 --> 01:39:59,400
legally restricted to be used

3123
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,139
only for associated building

3124
01:40:01,139 --> 01:40:02,607
division operations. And it's

3125
01:40:02,607 --> 01:40:04,375
governed by a Florida statute.

3126
01:40:04,375 --> 01:40:06,378
So these are not general fund.

3127
01:40:06,378 --> 01:40:07,512
So even if we make a change to

3128
01:40:07,512 --> 01:40:08,480
it, it doesn't it doesn't

3129
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:10,115
change the outcome of our

3130
01:40:10,115 --> 01:40:11,984
general fund.

3131
01:40:11,984 --> 01:40:14,820
>> All right. And then my last

3132
01:40:14,820 --> 01:40:16,254
thing was I, I found about

3133
01:40:16,254 --> 01:40:18,654
$150,000 in silly expenses. I

3134
01:40:19,157 --> 01:40:20,958
thought that we had there in my

3135
01:40:20,958 --> 01:40:23,127
memo. I don't know why. I've

3136
01:40:23,127 --> 01:40:24,363
been to two conferences now. I

3137
01:40:24,363 --> 01:40:27,363
don't know why we're sending

3138
01:40:27,833 --> 01:40:28,867
them $20,000. I don't the the

3139
01:40:28,867 --> 01:40:31,369
agenda that they push on the

3140
01:40:31,369 --> 01:40:33,939
national level is not my agenda,

3141
01:40:33,939 --> 01:40:35,206
not fact. I love fact. You're

3142
01:40:35,206 --> 01:40:37,800
doing great, but I don't know

3143
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:38,142
why we're doing. I don't know

3144
01:40:38,142 --> 01:40:40,450
why we're doing the National.

3145
01:40:40,450 --> 01:40:42,647
And then I had to pay for my

3146
01:40:42,647 --> 01:40:45,216
own entry into the Naco. So I

3147
01:40:45,216 --> 01:40:48,216
don't know why we're spending

3148
01:40:48,753 --> 01:40:50,789
20,000 on on. No. I signed up

3149
01:40:50,789 --> 01:40:51,756
for the conference. I had to

3150
01:40:51,756 --> 01:40:51,989
pay for the conference.

3151
01:40:51,989 --> 01:40:53,725
>> Well.

3152
01:40:53,725 --> 01:40:55,193
>> Out of your office budget.

3153
01:40:55,193 --> 01:40:56,194
>> Yeah. Right. But this is a

3154
01:40:56,194 --> 01:40:57,729
$20,000 line item for

3155
01:40:57,729 --> 01:40:57,929
membership to nato. I don't

3156
01:40:57,929 --> 01:40:58,763
think.

3157
01:40:58,763 --> 01:40:59,930
>> He's differentiating

3158
01:40:59,930 --> 01:41:01,165
membership versus what you pay

3159
01:41:01,165 --> 01:41:02,868
to go to the conference.

3160
01:41:02,868 --> 01:41:03,201
>> Yeah, I do have several

3161
01:41:03,201 --> 01:41:05,201
positions on.

3162
01:41:06,104 --> 01:41:08,390
>> The 20 the 20,000. I'm going

3163
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:08,240
to stay out of that one. I'm

3164
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:10,410
sorry.

3165
01:41:10,410 --> 01:41:11,976
>> You get to say whatever you

3166
01:41:11,976 --> 01:41:13,178
want to say, but when you say

3167
01:41:13,178 --> 01:41:14,378
pay off, so you meant you paid

3168
01:41:14,378 --> 01:41:16,181
out of your office budget.

3169
01:41:16,181 --> 01:41:17,148
>> I paid to go to the

3170
01:41:17,148 --> 01:41:19,170
conference out of my.

3171
01:41:19,170 --> 01:41:20,180
>> Out of your. Yeah, that's

3172
01:41:20,180 --> 01:41:21,860
what we all do.

3173
01:41:21,860 --> 01:41:22,200
>> Right. But this is.

3174
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:22,320
>> The 20,000.

3175
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:23,288
>> Is just.

3176
01:41:23,288 --> 01:41:24,289
>> The right of.

3177
01:41:24,289 --> 01:41:25,157
>> Entry, right?

3178
01:41:25,157 --> 01:41:27,580
>> What's that?

3179
01:41:27,580 --> 01:41:28,590
>> The 20,000 is just the right

3180
01:41:28,590 --> 01:41:29,127
for you to attend.

3181
01:41:29,127 --> 01:41:30,194
>> No, it's actually it's.

3182
01:41:30,194 --> 01:41:31,429
>> Actually for for nato.

3183
01:41:31,429 --> 01:41:33,310
>> For nato operations. Okay.

3184
01:41:33,310 --> 01:41:33,397
The conference is usually pay

3185
01:41:33,397 --> 01:41:35,650
for themselves.

3186
01:41:35,650 --> 01:41:36,134
>> It's like a yacht club.

3187
01:41:36,134 --> 01:41:38,360
>> Separate, separate from that.

3188
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:39,204
>> And then I'm sorry. Let me

3189
01:41:39,204 --> 01:41:40,138
apologize to you, sir, because

3190
01:41:40,138 --> 01:41:41,640
I interrupted you and you

3191
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:42,720
didn't interrupt me. When I

3192
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:43,274
apologize.

3193
01:41:43,274 --> 01:41:44,475
>> You said nato, and that got

3194
01:41:44,475 --> 01:41:46,430
her attention, so.

3195
01:41:46,430 --> 01:41:48,112
>> Yeah, like, wait a minute,

3196
01:41:48,112 --> 01:41:49,147
but I, I would I will press my

3197
01:41:49,147 --> 01:41:50,181
button when he's finished.

3198
01:41:50,181 --> 01:41:52,490
>> Okay.

3199
01:41:52,490 --> 01:41:55,200
>> Then I was just wondering,

3200
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:56,187
doesn't our we have a. I have.

3201
01:41:56,187 --> 01:41:58,187
>> a couple things.

3202
01:41:58,556 --> 01:41:59,391
>> I'm sorry. We have a

3203
01:41:59,391 --> 01:42:01,391
representative in Tallahassee

3204
01:42:01,492 --> 01:42:03,861
that we pay. Right. The what

3205
01:42:03,861 --> 01:42:05,262
you call a lobbyist. Yeah. Our

3206
01:42:05,262 --> 01:42:06,497
lobbyists don't. They have a

3207
01:42:06,497 --> 01:42:08,330
tracking software? Aren't they

3208
01:42:08,330 --> 01:42:09,801
providing us with the tracking

3209
01:42:09,801 --> 01:42:11,200
on the bills? What are we going

3210
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:11,836
to pay $20,000 for tracking

3211
01:42:11,836 --> 01:42:12,202
subscription? I don't

3212
01:42:12,202 --> 01:42:13,938
understand that.

3213
01:42:13,938 --> 01:42:15,806
>> That way we can track all of

3214
01:42:15,806 --> 01:42:16,907
the bills. Tristan uses that on

3215
01:42:16,907 --> 01:42:18,342
a daily basis. That's how he

3216
01:42:18,342 --> 01:42:18,810
gives you updates, etcetera and

3217
01:42:18,810 --> 01:42:20,111
stuff.

3218
01:42:20,111 --> 01:42:21,813
>> I just assume our lobbyists.

3219
01:42:21,813 --> 01:42:22,914
>> Will track the bills that

3220
01:42:22,914 --> 01:42:24,470
they're tracking. We track them

3221
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:25,917
all, and that gives us the

3222
01:42:25,917 --> 01:42:27,510
ability to go into the detail

3223
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:28,953
to see exactly what's being

3224
01:42:28,953 --> 01:42:30,880
filed and, and stay up to date

3225
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:31,856
in real time. It's a very

3226
01:42:31,856 --> 01:42:33,691
valuable piece of software. I,

3227
01:42:33,691 --> 01:42:35,590
we did look, Commissioner,

3228
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:36,928
based upon your review, we did

3229
01:42:36,928 --> 01:42:38,663
ask internally, though, and the

3230
01:42:38,663 --> 01:42:39,797
the Alliance for innovation is

3231
01:42:39,797 --> 01:42:41,932
something that we're going to

3232
01:42:41,932 --> 01:42:43,134
eliminate. So we actually

3233
01:42:43,134 --> 01:42:44,435
agreed with that. We have it.

3234
01:42:44,435 --> 01:42:46,670
We've been part of that

3235
01:42:46,670 --> 01:42:48,138
organization, but we

3236
01:42:48,138 --> 01:42:50,908
reevaluated it and decided that

3237
01:42:50,908 --> 01:42:53,110
it doesn't provide what we.

3238
01:42:53,110 --> 01:42:53,878
It's worth. So we're going to

3239
01:42:53,878 --> 01:42:55,878
eliminate that.

3240
01:42:55,913 --> 01:42:58,249
>> Okay, great. 12 grand. I

3241
01:42:58,249 --> 01:43:00,117
like it. So so, you know, hey,

3242
01:43:00,117 --> 01:43:02,653
you hit $100,000 item on here,

3243
01:43:02,653 --> 01:43:04,288
and then you got a program that

3244
01:43:04,288 --> 01:43:06,490
you're going to be doing in

3245
01:43:06,490 --> 01:43:07,892
your, your hr department that

3246
01:43:07,892 --> 01:43:08,659
the collaborative.

3247
01:43:08,659 --> 01:43:09,760
>> Oh, the.

3248
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:10,894
>> Collaborative labs, do we

3249
01:43:10,894 --> 01:43:12,663
really need to have our own

3250
01:43:12,663 --> 01:43:13,764
studies? We get a lot.

3251
01:43:13,764 --> 01:43:15,132
>> Of, well, collaborative labs

3252
01:43:15,132 --> 01:43:16,434
is again, through Saint

3253
01:43:16,434 --> 01:43:18,834
Petersburg College and they

3254
01:43:22,206 --> 01:43:23,874
provide. Page two. Hang on.

3255
01:43:23,874 --> 01:43:27,474
Chris is directing me what to

3256
01:43:28,450 --> 01:43:31,480
say. So we actually reduced it

3257
01:43:31,480 --> 01:43:33,450
from $80,000 in the bis budget

3258
01:43:33,450 --> 01:43:34,818
to $55,000. They do a lot of

3259
01:43:34,818 --> 01:43:36,320
performance evaluation training.

3260
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,890
They do succession management,

3261
01:43:38,890 --> 01:43:40,890
training, supervisor training

3262
01:43:40,657 --> 01:43:42,993
and other employment engagement

3263
01:43:42,993 --> 01:43:44,940
activities. So they they work

3264
01:43:44,940 --> 01:43:45,695
with the departments. When the

3265
01:43:45,695 --> 01:43:47,640
department wants to bring

3266
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,200
disparate groups together and

3267
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:50,701
create a vision or a line

3268
01:43:50,701 --> 01:43:52,436
services and things like that,

3269
01:43:52,436 --> 01:43:54,238
we use them sporadically, but

3270
01:43:54,238 --> 01:43:55,306
they are. It's like any other

3271
01:43:55,306 --> 01:43:56,540
type of training program. You

3272
01:43:56,540 --> 01:43:58,342
can eliminate it, but it's

3273
01:43:58,342 --> 01:44:00,244
going to have an impact on the

3274
01:44:00,244 --> 01:44:03,280
way we operate. We we use them

3275
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:04,782
as we need. And so.

3276
01:44:04,782 --> 01:44:06,684
>> Got it.

3277
01:44:06,684 --> 01:44:07,919
>> All right. But I just wanted

3278
01:44:07,919 --> 01:44:08,753
to bring those up and they

3279
01:44:08,753 --> 01:44:09,353
caught my eye.

3280
01:44:09,353 --> 01:44:11,353
>> Commissioner Latvala.

3281
01:44:11,589 --> 01:44:13,391
>> I just want to voice.

3282
01:44:13,391 --> 01:44:16,991
Although I've never been to a

3283
01:44:17,260 --> 01:44:18,395
Naco conference and I never

3284
01:44:18,395 --> 01:44:19,497
planned to go to a Naco

3285
01:44:19,497 --> 01:44:21,897
conference unless there's one

3286
01:44:23,501 --> 01:44:25,569
in Florida, I do not support

3287
01:44:25,569 --> 01:44:27,969
succeeding or seceding from

3288
01:44:28,505 --> 01:44:32,705
Naco. In the same year that we

3289
01:44:33,143 --> 01:44:35,379
have a fact PRESIDENT In our

3290
01:44:35,379 --> 01:44:38,979
midst, because I think that the

3291
01:44:39,349 --> 01:44:42,349
look would be very tacky.

3292
01:44:45,890 --> 01:44:46,456
Because what there's like, what,

3293
01:44:46,456 --> 01:44:47,691
420 or 450 county commissioners

3294
01:44:47,691 --> 01:44:49,590
in Florida or something like

3295
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:51,590
that. What is.

3296
01:44:51,562 --> 01:44:52,630
>> The way around that for Naco?

3297
01:44:52,630 --> 01:44:54,465
I'm sorry. Somewhere around

3298
01:44:54,465 --> 01:44:55,499
there, somewhere. In Florida,

3299
01:44:55,499 --> 01:44:57,735
somewhere around there in

3300
01:44:57,735 --> 01:44:59,536
Florida, and then in Naco with

3301
01:44:59,536 --> 01:45:00,604
3133, because some are called

3302
01:45:00,604 --> 01:45:02,106
judges in Texas, they call them

3303
01:45:02,106 --> 01:45:04,842
judges. They don't call them

3304
01:45:04,842 --> 01:45:07,242
commissioners. And. Et cetera.

3305
01:45:07,678 --> 01:45:10,678
>> So that's just my opinion.

3306
01:45:11,682 --> 01:45:13,516
And I also do not support

3307
01:45:13,516 --> 01:45:15,916
cutting arbitrarily staff from

3308
01:45:17,530 --> 01:45:19,453
the Economic Development office

3309
01:45:20,324 --> 01:45:23,924
either. But there you did have

3310
01:45:24,328 --> 01:45:26,728
some recommendations that I

3311
01:45:26,864 --> 01:45:29,665
supported. But those two I do

3312
01:45:29,665 --> 01:45:31,235
not. So thank you, MR. Chair.

3313
01:45:31,235 --> 01:45:33,235
>> Commissioner Flowers.

3314
01:45:34,304 --> 01:45:36,105
>> Thank you. So the $20,000

3315
01:45:36,105 --> 01:45:38,708
that is paid is membership that

3316
01:45:38,708 --> 01:45:41,978
goes into Naco, that helps to

3317
01:45:41,978 --> 01:45:45,578
cover staff that they have that

3318
01:45:45,582 --> 01:45:49,782
go out and lobby on bills that

3319
01:45:51,621 --> 01:45:54,210
are. Issues nationwide. Nothing

3320
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:56,660
that Naco does is spotty. When

3321
01:45:56,660 --> 01:45:57,694
you serve on the committees.

3322
01:45:57,694 --> 01:46:00,229
Anything that you discuss or

3323
01:46:00,229 --> 01:46:02,865
talk about that moves forward

3324
01:46:02,865 --> 01:46:04,667
through in a policy level, it

3325
01:46:04,667 --> 01:46:06,336
has to be something that

3326
01:46:06,336 --> 01:46:08,237
affects all 50 states. It can't

3327
01:46:08,237 --> 01:46:10,374
be just the one thing. For

3328
01:46:10,374 --> 01:46:12,142
example, issues surrounding

3329
01:46:12,142 --> 01:46:13,910
affordable housing, which I

3330
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:15,779
served and was appointed by the

3331
01:46:15,779 --> 01:46:18,247
former PRESIDENT And will now

3332
01:46:18,247 --> 01:46:21,247
be appointed by the new

3333
01:46:22,252 --> 01:46:24,321
PRESIDENT Of Naco to a national

3334
01:46:24,321 --> 01:46:26,489
housing committee. And we work

3335
01:46:26,489 --> 01:46:29,489
very closely with the federal

3336
01:46:29,559 --> 01:46:32,559
government and hud on changing

3337
01:46:32,695 --> 01:46:34,497
the legislation so that it

3338
01:46:34,497 --> 01:46:37,767
keeps up with the needs in

3339
01:46:37,767 --> 01:46:39,870
local communities. For example,

3340
01:46:39,870 --> 01:46:42,870
the amount that vouchers are

3341
01:46:43,306 --> 01:46:44,975
covered for now, no way covers

3342
01:46:44,975 --> 01:46:46,743
the amount of rent that is

3343
01:46:46,743 --> 01:46:47,811
needed to be paid to the

3344
01:46:47,811 --> 01:46:48,979
landlords. So lobbying for

3345
01:46:48,979 --> 01:46:50,280
things like that to get those

3346
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:52,680
formulas changed. And we've

3347
01:46:52,849 --> 01:46:54,751
been very successful. It also

3348
01:46:54,751 --> 01:46:56,860
covers any kind of technical

3349
01:46:56,860 --> 01:46:58,622
support or assistance that we

3350
01:46:58,622 --> 01:47:01,910
MAY ask for or MAY need. Not

3351
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:02,992
all counties need that because

3352
01:47:02,992 --> 01:47:04,561
some are better positioned. We

3353
01:47:04,561 --> 01:47:05,562
have a county that has a number

3354
01:47:05,562 --> 01:47:08,562
of departments, but some of

3355
01:47:08,764 --> 01:47:10,167
your more rural communities,

3356
01:47:10,167 --> 01:47:11,133
sometimes they need that extra

3357
01:47:11,133 --> 01:47:13,770
help. But anything that we need

3358
01:47:13,770 --> 01:47:15,104
from Naco, we can call and they,

3359
01:47:15,104 --> 01:47:16,773
they, they are there and they

3360
01:47:16,773 --> 01:47:18,141
answer the call. Their staff is

3361
01:47:18,141 --> 01:47:19,709
very lean. They don't have a

3362
01:47:19,709 --> 01:47:20,944
million people running around.

3363
01:47:20,944 --> 01:47:22,110
They could have one staff

3364
01:47:22,110 --> 01:47:23,847
person covering several

3365
01:47:23,847 --> 01:47:24,881
different policy committees I

3366
01:47:24,881 --> 01:47:26,616
currently serve. Just had my

3367
01:47:26,616 --> 01:47:28,484
first meeting yesterday. I

3368
01:47:28,484 --> 01:47:31,210
serve on the justice Committee

3369
01:47:31,210 --> 01:47:33,421
that oversees policies and

3370
01:47:34,257 --> 01:47:36,257
legislation relative to.

3371
01:47:36,826 --> 01:47:39,226
Criminal activity, relative to

3372
01:47:40,764 --> 01:47:43,300
laws that that our sheriff

3373
01:47:43,300 --> 01:47:46,300
ultimately ends up carrying out

3374
01:47:46,503 --> 01:47:47,670
and specifically focusing on

3375
01:47:47,670 --> 01:47:49,439
juvenile justice, because

3376
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:50,840
that's become a big thing. I

3377
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:51,974
also serve on the housing

3378
01:47:51,974 --> 01:47:53,309
committee. I am actually the

3379
01:47:53,309 --> 01:47:55,178
committee chair for the Housing

3380
01:47:55,178 --> 01:47:57,279
Committee for Naco. And like I

3381
01:47:57,279 --> 01:47:59,849
said, we've been very, very

3382
01:47:59,849 --> 01:48:02,249
successful, and that success

3383
01:48:02,652 --> 01:48:04,521
does trickle down to us because

3384
01:48:04,521 --> 01:48:05,955
if we can effectuate change,

3385
01:48:05,955 --> 01:48:07,757
that means more money for our

3386
01:48:07,757 --> 01:48:09,893
housing department, which is

3387
01:48:09,893 --> 01:48:11,194
Tom El Monte shop. So that

3388
01:48:11,194 --> 01:48:12,562
means more money, that trickles

3389
01:48:12,562 --> 01:48:14,230
down, that goes to home funding.

3390
01:48:14,230 --> 01:48:16,332
That means more money, that

3391
01:48:16,332 --> 01:48:19,332
trickles down to other projects

3392
01:48:20,703 --> 01:48:23,439
and programs. So. I think it's

3393
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,420
worth it. Okay. Yeah, I believe

3394
01:48:26,420 --> 01:48:27,243
it's worth it. And not just not

3395
01:48:27,243 --> 01:48:29,780
just because I'm a fact. I'm

3396
01:48:29,780 --> 01:48:30,379
the PRESIDENT Of fact and I do.

3397
01:48:30,379 --> 01:48:32,810
>> But you are knowledgeable.

3398
01:48:32,810 --> 01:48:33,315
>> Of it. Yeah. Chris, you did

3399
01:48:33,315 --> 01:48:35,785
leave. But thank you so much

3400
01:48:35,785 --> 01:48:37,320
for sticking up for me. I

3401
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,220
appreciate that, but there is

3402
01:48:40,220 --> 01:48:42,240
value in it. And yes, I go and

3403
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:43,525
I'm very active. I go to all my

3404
01:48:43,525 --> 01:48:46,562
meetings. I don't, you know, go

3405
01:48:46,562 --> 01:48:48,398
to hang out. I go to work, get

3406
01:48:48,398 --> 01:48:50,399
things done and bring it back.

3407
01:48:50,399 --> 01:48:51,967
I go up on the hill to work,

3408
01:48:51,967 --> 01:48:54,537
get things done, bring it back.

3409
01:48:54,537 --> 01:48:56,673
So I just wanted to share. Oh,

3410
01:48:56,673 --> 01:48:58,141
thank you, MR. Chair. Yeah,

3411
01:48:58,141 --> 01:48:59,942
exactly. Thank you. Thank you.

3412
01:48:59,942 --> 01:49:00,943
>> MR. Chair. Yeah. Go ahead.

3413
01:49:00,943 --> 01:49:02,211
>> I'll be quick.

3414
01:49:02,211 --> 01:49:04,800
>> No, no, I'm just trying to

3415
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:04,280
get some things in too, so go

3416
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:06,820
ahead.

3417
01:49:06,820 --> 01:49:07,215
>> Sorry about that. All right.

3418
01:49:07,215 --> 01:49:08,217
No, I just want to echo

3419
01:49:08,217 --> 01:49:09,918
Commissioner Flowers comments.

3420
01:49:09,918 --> 01:49:11,453
I mean, I find the meetings

3421
01:49:11,453 --> 01:49:14,289
valuable. I serve on a couple

3422
01:49:14,289 --> 01:49:15,580
of different committees and

3423
01:49:15,580 --> 01:49:16,492
transportation Committee being

3424
01:49:16,492 --> 01:49:18,794
one of them. And I find that

3425
01:49:18,794 --> 01:49:20,960
that you get learn a lot, a lot

3426
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:20,797
of understanding and knowledge

3427
01:49:20,797 --> 01:49:21,863
about how the federal

3428
01:49:21,863 --> 01:49:23,332
government is looking at

3429
01:49:23,332 --> 01:49:25,101
funding transportation for

3430
01:49:25,101 --> 01:49:26,235
future projects, which has

3431
01:49:26,235 --> 01:49:27,970
certainly helped inform my

3432
01:49:27,970 --> 01:49:30,439
decision as we work towards a

3433
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:31,807
regional mpo. So so anyways, I

3434
01:49:31,807 --> 01:49:34,410
just support what you said.

3435
01:49:34,410 --> 01:49:36,678
>> Thank you. It seems like

3436
01:49:36,678 --> 01:49:38,814
we've lost three of our members

3437
01:49:38,814 --> 01:49:40,515
here. I know Commissioner

3438
01:49:40,515 --> 01:49:41,551
Latvala will be back. I don't I

3439
01:49:41,551 --> 01:49:43,552
think Commissioner Nowicki said

3440
01:49:43,552 --> 01:49:44,886
he needed to leave after two. I

3441
01:49:44,886 --> 01:49:47,286
don't know about Commissioner

3442
01:49:47,789 --> 01:49:49,224
Peters. So this is our last

3443
01:49:49,224 --> 01:49:52,824
workshop. Are we going to have

3444
01:49:52,828 --> 01:49:54,330
a workshop? I mean, because

3445
01:49:54,330 --> 01:49:56,398
otherwise we're going to be

3446
01:49:56,398 --> 01:49:57,499
working during our hearings.

3447
01:49:57,499 --> 01:49:59,234
>> You're you're well you're

3448
01:49:59,234 --> 01:50:02,834
going to be working during your

3449
01:50:03,638 --> 01:50:04,807
hearings. So any, any, any

3450
01:50:04,807 --> 01:50:07,420
direction that you can provide

3451
01:50:07,420 --> 01:50:08,643
would be helpful. We, because

3452
01:50:08,643 --> 01:50:10,479
we don't have a workshop

3453
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:12,281
scheduled, we do on the 17th

3454
01:50:12,281 --> 01:50:13,448
before the final vote. So you

3455
01:50:13,448 --> 01:50:15,517
do have an opportunity between

3456
01:50:15,517 --> 01:50:17,320
your first public hearing and

3457
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:19,321
your second public hearing. And

3458
01:50:19,321 --> 01:50:19,922
so under your first public

3459
01:50:19,922 --> 01:50:21,724
hearing, all I need is simple

3460
01:50:21,724 --> 01:50:23,525
majority vote, and then you'll

3461
01:50:23,525 --> 01:50:24,927
have a work session, and then

3462
01:50:24,927 --> 01:50:26,695
we'll come into our second

3463
01:50:26,695 --> 01:50:28,430
public hearing. That will

3464
01:50:28,430 --> 01:50:30,430
require supermajority.

3465
01:50:30,666 --> 01:50:32,768
>> Yeah. So again, I can't

3466
01:50:32,768 --> 01:50:34,690
thank the commissioners who've

3467
01:50:34,690 --> 01:50:35,270
done all of their homework

3468
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:37,272
leading up to it and the

3469
01:50:37,272 --> 01:50:39,942
questions and in the messages

3470
01:50:39,942 --> 01:50:41,376
that have that have come to us

3471
01:50:41,376 --> 01:50:43,245
with no response required, of

3472
01:50:43,245 --> 01:50:45,514
course, or even allowed. So

3473
01:50:45,514 --> 01:50:48,651
thank you to any, all of you

3474
01:50:48,651 --> 01:50:51,152
for that. And I think we've

3475
01:50:51,152 --> 01:50:53,322
done a great job. I, I'm, I'm

3476
01:50:53,322 --> 01:50:54,790
of the mind that a balance in

3477
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:55,991
our budget, somewhere between

3478
01:50:55,991 --> 01:50:57,592
the hardware and the software

3479
01:50:57,592 --> 01:51:00,295
of our county needs to be

3480
01:51:00,295 --> 01:51:01,897
looked at. And for me, when I

3481
01:51:01,897 --> 01:51:04,465
look at that, that third

3482
01:51:04,465 --> 01:51:06,602
millage, which represents about

3483
01:51:06,602 --> 01:51:09,171
10% of our commitment to roads,

3484
01:51:09,171 --> 01:51:10,572
bridges and culverts above and

3485
01:51:10,572 --> 01:51:12,374
beyond what we're already doing

3486
01:51:12,374 --> 01:51:13,842
in the penny, which is already

3487
01:51:13,842 --> 01:51:16,110
doing more on infrastructure

3488
01:51:16,110 --> 01:51:18,880
than we had originally thought.

3489
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:20,582
I'm an infrastructure geek and

3490
01:51:20,582 --> 01:51:22,584
I believe in all of it, but

3491
01:51:22,584 --> 01:51:23,752
there MAY be a time for us to

3492
01:51:23,752 --> 01:51:25,587
look at that third millage and

3493
01:51:25,587 --> 01:51:26,855
roll that third millage out of

3494
01:51:26,855 --> 01:51:28,590
the budget for next year. That

3495
01:51:28,590 --> 01:51:29,791
represents, as I said, 10% of

3496
01:51:29,791 --> 01:51:31,660
the work. I'd like to know what

3497
01:51:31,660 --> 01:51:32,894
that effect is and what we're

3498
01:51:32,894 --> 01:51:34,730
looking at specifically,

3499
01:51:34,730 --> 01:51:35,797
because I do think we have

3500
01:51:35,797 --> 01:51:37,900
responsibility. The software of

3501
01:51:37,900 --> 01:51:39,167
our county is critically

3502
01:51:39,167 --> 01:51:41,360
important, and I just don't

3503
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:42,271
want to turn my back on it

3504
01:51:42,271 --> 01:51:44,139
without knowing it. I hate to

3505
01:51:44,139 --> 01:51:45,730
turn our back on the social

3506
01:51:45,730 --> 01:51:46,208
action funding without knowing

3507
01:51:46,208 --> 01:51:48,510
the details and what's going to

3508
01:51:48,510 --> 01:51:50,979
be affected, what other sources

3509
01:51:50,979 --> 01:51:52,781
they have. I certainly am not

3510
01:51:52,781 --> 01:51:54,515
going to support anything on

3511
01:51:54,515 --> 01:51:56,915
rolling back animal services.

3512
01:51:57,719 --> 01:51:58,854
The the ttvr is critically

3513
01:51:58,854 --> 01:51:59,955
important. In fact, that's an

3514
01:51:59,955 --> 01:52:01,723
area that we ought to be

3515
01:52:01,723 --> 01:52:02,991
committing more money to, to

3516
01:52:02,991 --> 01:52:05,827
get a handle on the issues that

3517
01:52:05,827 --> 01:52:06,728
we have in our county with

3518
01:52:06,728 --> 01:52:08,397
regards to animals. And I

3519
01:52:08,397 --> 01:52:09,598
certainly don't want to affect

3520
01:52:09,598 --> 01:52:12,598
budgets that MAY be affecting

3521
01:52:12,601 --> 01:52:14,635
our kids or well-intentioned

3522
01:52:14,635 --> 01:52:17,171
adults that are just in a bad

3523
01:52:17,171 --> 01:52:19,107
place. And so I see that

3524
01:52:19,107 --> 01:52:21,343
nestled into the Bay area home

3525
01:52:21,343 --> 01:52:23,144
care, the cabhi, the cab thing,

3526
01:52:23,144 --> 01:52:25,147
the the special, the Social

3527
01:52:25,147 --> 01:52:28,517
action fund, all of this stuff

3528
01:52:28,517 --> 01:52:30,850
MAY have consequences that

3529
01:52:30,850 --> 01:52:32,721
we're not aware of that are

3530
01:52:32,721 --> 01:52:34,188
going to affect people. And we

3531
01:52:34,188 --> 01:52:37,188
I mean, we certainly talked

3532
01:52:37,792 --> 01:52:40,792
about, you know, the sheriff's

3533
01:52:41,395 --> 01:52:43,364
facility on 4040 ninth Street.

3534
01:52:43,364 --> 01:52:45,700
And if we close that, then

3535
01:52:45,700 --> 01:52:47,869
we're talking about folks being

3536
01:52:47,869 --> 01:52:49,604
out on the streets that we're

3537
01:52:49,604 --> 01:52:51,439
going to have in and around our

3538
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:53,208
community. Number one, we MAY

3539
01:52:53,208 --> 01:52:54,409
not like that. Number two, the

3540
01:52:54,409 --> 01:52:55,610
folks that are there needing

3541
01:52:55,610 --> 01:52:57,445
the help themselves, where are

3542
01:52:57,445 --> 01:52:58,680
they going to get that help? So,

3543
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:00,649
you know, you have places that

3544
01:53:00,649 --> 01:53:02,283
we take away from. I just like

3545
01:53:02,283 --> 01:53:04,190
to know what what's their

3546
01:53:04,190 --> 01:53:06,190
alternative realistically. So

3547
01:53:08,723 --> 01:53:11,580
for me, giving up 10% of, of

3548
01:53:11,580 --> 01:53:12,927
our road bridge and it's, it's,

3549
01:53:12,927 --> 01:53:16,630
I can put my hands around it.

3550
01:53:16,630 --> 01:53:17,666
I'm sure Kelly will let us know

3551
01:53:17,666 --> 01:53:19,834
what would fall out and where

3552
01:53:19,834 --> 01:53:21,736
we would go back, how we might

3553
01:53:21,736 --> 01:53:24,572
not make as much progress as as

3554
01:53:24,572 --> 01:53:26,410
we wanted. But to me, that's an

3555
01:53:26,410 --> 01:53:27,909
area that we can look at. And

3556
01:53:27,909 --> 01:53:30,979
to me, that's an area that

3557
01:53:30,979 --> 01:53:33,979
takes our money north of 50%

3558
01:53:34,349 --> 01:53:36,417
rollback. And at the same time

3559
01:53:36,417 --> 01:53:38,552
preserves some of these

3560
01:53:38,552 --> 01:53:39,687
programs that I don't think

3561
01:53:39,687 --> 01:53:40,822
whether you philosophically

3562
01:53:40,822 --> 01:53:43,691
agree that that we should be

3563
01:53:43,691 --> 01:53:45,793
doing it or not, we've done it

3564
01:53:45,793 --> 01:53:47,527
and people are in our county

3565
01:53:47,527 --> 01:53:48,762
are used to having it. So I

3566
01:53:48,762 --> 01:53:50,564
want to make sure I'm clear on

3567
01:53:50,564 --> 01:53:53,735
what that looks like. If we

3568
01:53:53,735 --> 01:53:54,635
take it away and I'm not. So I

3569
01:53:54,635 --> 01:53:56,304
probably will not support any

3570
01:53:56,304 --> 01:53:57,372
of the social action funding

3571
01:53:57,372 --> 01:53:59,372
reductions, any of that, until

3572
01:53:59,372 --> 01:54:02,343
I know more. But I'm willing to

3573
01:54:02,343 --> 01:54:04,178
throw on the table that point.

3574
01:54:04,178 --> 01:54:06,578
00281 mill, which is about $3

3575
01:54:07,815 --> 01:54:09,617
million a year on the on the

3576
01:54:09,617 --> 01:54:12,200
upper upper part, that was

3577
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,200
representing about 50% rollback.

3578
01:54:14,622 --> 01:54:16,157
So that would go up higher. I'm

3579
01:54:16,157 --> 01:54:19,660
not sure what that looks like.

3580
01:54:19,660 --> 01:54:20,761
Maybe it's 60%, 65% rollback.

3581
01:54:20,761 --> 01:54:21,930
>> Okay. You're talking about

3582
01:54:21,930 --> 01:54:23,597
taking the entire I'm talking.

3583
01:54:23,597 --> 01:54:23,831
>> About taking the entire 3

3584
01:54:23,831 --> 01:54:24,832
million.

3585
01:54:24,832 --> 01:54:25,966
>> So that would be an

3586
01:54:25,966 --> 01:54:28,366
additional basically a million

3587
01:54:28,635 --> 01:54:30,710
and a half. So we we can we can

3588
01:54:30,710 --> 01:54:32,710
look at that.

3589
01:54:32,573 --> 01:54:33,708
>> Somewhere around 60, 65%

3590
01:54:33,708 --> 01:54:35,675
probably.

3591
01:54:35,675 --> 01:54:36,944
>> We can we can look at that.

3592
01:54:36,944 --> 01:54:38,145
More importantly, what we'll

3593
01:54:38,145 --> 01:54:39,981
tell you is what's going to

3594
01:54:39,981 --> 01:54:41,949
come off the table, what the

3595
01:54:41,949 --> 01:54:43,117
impact of that is. Okay.

3596
01:54:43,117 --> 01:54:44,852
>> Yeah.

3597
01:54:44,852 --> 01:54:46,287
>> I understand it's a, it's a

3598
01:54:46,287 --> 01:54:48,322
balancing act. I hate, you know,

3599
01:54:48,322 --> 01:54:50,324
I hate to see it. I love to see

3600
01:54:50,324 --> 01:54:52,393
us tie it to when we can get

3601
01:54:52,393 --> 01:54:54,829
the state to actually provide

3602
01:54:54,829 --> 01:54:56,630
relief through the indexing of

3603
01:54:56,630 --> 01:54:58,533
the gas tax. That's been our

3604
01:54:58,533 --> 01:54:59,333
leverage point. But that's

3605
01:54:59,333 --> 01:55:00,935
absolutely a policy call.

3606
01:55:00,935 --> 01:55:02,169
>> I understand. I mean, I

3607
01:55:02,169 --> 01:55:03,337
would too. I've been I've been

3608
01:55:03,337 --> 01:55:05,373
pounding that drum. Obviously

3609
01:55:05,373 --> 01:55:07,241
no one's got no one hears

3610
01:55:07,241 --> 01:55:08,209
anything about it. And I

3611
01:55:08,209 --> 01:55:10,209
appreciate the conversations

3612
01:55:10,411 --> 01:55:11,879
you've had with some of them to

3613
01:55:11,879 --> 01:55:14,150
understand the connections that

3614
01:55:14,150 --> 01:55:16,517
they do and how it affects the

3615
01:55:16,517 --> 01:55:18,252
very millage that they complain

3616
01:55:18,252 --> 01:55:20,320
about us. I mean, it's like,

3617
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:21,956
it's so direct and we're not,

3618
01:55:21,956 --> 01:55:23,524
we're not. And we're talking

3619
01:55:23,524 --> 01:55:25,626
about everybody paying their

3620
01:55:25,626 --> 01:55:27,160
fair share of that. And to that

3621
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:29,163
end, Barry, it might be it

3622
01:55:29,163 --> 01:55:31,632
might be helpful to understand

3623
01:55:31,632 --> 01:55:34,868
exactly what that gas tax is,

3624
01:55:34,868 --> 01:55:36,236
because it's not all just the

3625
01:55:36,236 --> 01:55:38,473
electric car piece that they

3626
01:55:38,473 --> 01:55:39,907
pay their fair share.

3627
01:55:39,907 --> 01:55:41,675
>> So if we what we've always

3628
01:55:41,675 --> 01:55:43,911
tied it to just and I don't

3629
01:55:43,911 --> 01:55:45,479
want to get down on a side

3630
01:55:45,479 --> 01:55:47,181
thing, but we've always tied it

3631
01:55:47,181 --> 01:55:49,490
to indexing of the gas tax. But

3632
01:55:49,490 --> 01:55:50,251
we've also said that if there's

3633
01:55:50,251 --> 01:55:52,787
been a lot of. And we always

3634
01:55:52,787 --> 01:55:54,288
thought we you know, I mean,

3635
01:55:54,288 --> 01:55:56,457
Commissioner Lavelle will say,

3636
01:55:56,457 --> 01:55:57,925
you know, getting a bill opened,

3637
01:55:57,925 --> 01:55:59,726
you know, is your opportunity,

3638
01:55:59,726 --> 01:56:01,561
but there's got to be a reason

3639
01:56:01,561 --> 01:56:02,596
for a bill to be opened or it's

3640
01:56:02,596 --> 01:56:04,231
hard to get traction in

3641
01:56:04,231 --> 01:56:05,833
Tallahassee. They there's been

3642
01:56:05,833 --> 01:56:06,867
a lot of discussion about

3643
01:56:06,867 --> 01:56:08,769
addressing electric vehicles

3644
01:56:08,769 --> 01:56:11,769
and doing a registration fee.

3645
01:56:12,272 --> 01:56:14,141
That would then be their part

3646
01:56:14,141 --> 01:56:15,843
of what otherwise would be the

3647
01:56:15,843 --> 01:56:17,277
gas tax. And so you'd put a

3648
01:56:17,277 --> 01:56:18,779
registration fee on, we'd get

3649
01:56:18,779 --> 01:56:20,748
part of it. The state would get

3650
01:56:20,748 --> 01:56:21,782
part of it to cover the cost of

3651
01:56:21,782 --> 01:56:23,416
roads, etcetera and stuff.

3652
01:56:23,416 --> 01:56:24,952
That's the opportunity for them

3653
01:56:24,952 --> 01:56:26,753
to say, all right, at that time,

3654
01:56:26,753 --> 01:56:29,656
if that bill, if they address

3655
01:56:29,656 --> 01:56:31,424
that, include us and indexing

3656
01:56:31,424 --> 01:56:32,827
of our portion of the gas tax

3657
01:56:32,827 --> 01:56:34,995
the same way the state does

3658
01:56:34,995 --> 01:56:36,960
with their portion, that's

3659
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:37,698
really what we've tried to tie

3660
01:56:37,698 --> 01:56:38,999
that together. We've just never

3661
01:56:38,999 --> 01:56:40,834
been able to, in fact, spend on

3662
01:56:40,834 --> 01:56:41,869
this. We've had this as part of

3663
01:56:41,869 --> 01:56:43,704
our legislative program for

3664
01:56:43,704 --> 01:56:44,872
years. We haven't been able to

3665
01:56:44,872 --> 01:56:46,500
get traction. But and that's

3666
01:56:46,500 --> 01:56:47,807
the reason I was saying that,

3667
01:56:47,807 --> 01:56:49,750
that we've always said that if

3668
01:56:49,750 --> 01:56:50,711
we can get that traction, we'll

3669
01:56:50,711 --> 01:56:51,845
take we'll calculate that. How

3670
01:56:51,845 --> 01:56:53,714
much does that bring in and do

3671
01:56:53,714 --> 01:56:54,915
a direct millage reduction on

3672
01:56:54,915 --> 01:56:55,820
our side of what the transfer

3673
01:56:55,820 --> 01:56:56,617
is?

3674
01:56:56,617 --> 01:56:58,180
>> I understand.

3675
01:56:58,180 --> 01:56:59,786
>> No, I understand, I just

3676
01:56:59,786 --> 01:57:01,888
wanted you to understand that

3677
01:57:01,888 --> 01:57:03,791
the the mechanism to, to

3678
01:57:03,791 --> 01:57:04,791
actually make that happen. Yeah.

3679
01:57:04,791 --> 01:57:07,191
>> Well, adding these three

3680
01:57:07,361 --> 01:57:08,996
mills is, was painful for me,

3681
01:57:08,996 --> 01:57:10,998
but it did what it's supposed

3682
01:57:10,998 --> 01:57:12,765
to do. And you know, to that

3683
01:57:12,765 --> 01:57:15,100
end, I'm grateful. And it's not

3684
01:57:15,100 --> 01:57:17,471
like we're we're still you're

3685
01:57:17,471 --> 01:57:18,806
still talking about 40 million

3686
01:57:18,806 --> 01:57:21,141
that we're adding to that

3687
01:57:21,141 --> 01:57:23,243
instead of instead of 43

3688
01:57:23,243 --> 01:57:24,278
million. And then I know that

3689
01:57:24,278 --> 01:57:26,112
there are different pots of

3690
01:57:26,112 --> 01:57:27,147
money there, but I'm just I'm

3691
01:57:27,147 --> 01:57:27,680
again, trying to put

3692
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:29,249
perspective around this.

3693
01:57:29,249 --> 01:57:30,316
>> We can tell you what an

3694
01:57:30,316 --> 01:57:32,352
additional million and a half.

3695
01:57:32,352 --> 01:57:33,286
I can tell you what we won't be

3696
01:57:33,286 --> 01:57:35,188
able to do as.

3697
01:57:35,188 --> 01:57:37,257
>> a result. And yeah, and

3698
01:57:37,257 --> 01:57:37,691
don't don't pick out just the

3699
01:57:37,691 --> 01:57:39,259
heartwarming.

3700
01:57:39,259 --> 01:57:39,793
>> It's the road in front of

3701
01:57:39,793 --> 01:57:41,295
your house. Yeah.

3702
01:57:41,295 --> 01:57:43,296
>> Yeah, that that kind of

3703
01:57:43,296 --> 01:57:47,496
thing. If it's if it's in front

3704
01:57:48,668 --> 01:57:50,904
of Balch's house. But yeah, so

3705
01:57:50,904 --> 01:57:53,730
I think again, it doesn't sound

3706
01:57:53,730 --> 01:57:54,774
like I mean, if someone told me

3707
01:57:54,774 --> 01:57:56,643
right now that we're going to

3708
01:57:56,643 --> 01:58:00,243
lower, we're going to do a 60

3709
01:58:00,613 --> 01:58:03,130
millage rate reduction or 60%

3710
01:58:03,483 --> 01:58:06,530
number here or 65%. However we

3711
01:58:06,530 --> 01:58:08,254
got there, I'd be ecstatic. And

3712
01:58:08,254 --> 01:58:09,955
I'd say we're doing what our

3713
01:58:09,955 --> 01:58:11,458
residents demand of us. They

3714
01:58:11,458 --> 01:58:13,250
MAY demand more of us, and

3715
01:58:13,250 --> 01:58:15,528
we'll see how that pans out in

3716
01:58:15,528 --> 01:58:16,895
the next year. And, you know,

3717
01:58:16,895 --> 01:58:18,865
and I don't, you know, I don't

3718
01:58:18,865 --> 01:58:19,999
want to get into for this year,

3719
01:58:19,999 --> 01:58:21,101
but for next year. And we're

3720
01:58:21,101 --> 01:58:22,301
talking about restructuring

3721
01:58:22,301 --> 01:58:24,400
government. And that means and

3722
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:27,400
that. Means that means salaries

3723
01:58:27,340 --> 01:58:28,942
are on the table. It means our

3724
01:58:28,942 --> 01:58:30,577
salaries are on the table, all

3725
01:58:30,577 --> 01:58:31,978
of it when we have that

3726
01:58:31,978 --> 01:58:32,845
discussion. So those are

3727
01:58:32,845 --> 01:58:35,148
additional steps that we're

3728
01:58:35,148 --> 01:58:35,882
going to have to again, we're

3729
01:58:35,882 --> 01:58:36,950
going to.

3730
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:38,852
>> Have to look at.

3731
01:58:38,852 --> 01:58:40,119
>> And I'm not I'm not prepared

3732
01:58:40,119 --> 01:58:42,489
to do that. This year's budget.

3733
01:58:42,489 --> 01:58:44,491
So to me, getting us to 60 or

3734
01:58:44,491 --> 01:58:45,625
65% is something that I can

3735
01:58:45,625 --> 01:58:47,894
support, even though I MAY not

3736
01:58:47,894 --> 01:58:49,829
support the mix. You know, if

3737
01:58:49,829 --> 01:58:51,310
the majority wants to do it in

3738
01:58:51,310 --> 01:58:52,833
the social action and leave the

3739
01:58:52,833 --> 01:58:54,968
leave the roads, I'm not going

3740
01:58:54,968 --> 01:58:56,436
to not support that. And I'm

3741
01:58:56,436 --> 01:58:58,204
giving my cards away a little

3742
01:58:58,204 --> 01:59:00,372
bit, but I don't think it's

3743
01:59:00,372 --> 01:59:02,208
right to get rid of social

3744
01:59:02,208 --> 01:59:03,609
action funding and the soft

3745
01:59:03,609 --> 01:59:05,412
costs that that circulate

3746
01:59:05,412 --> 01:59:07,147
through our county without

3747
01:59:07,147 --> 01:59:08,381
knowing exactly who's going to

3748
01:59:08,381 --> 01:59:10,116
be affected and how. And do we

3749
01:59:10,116 --> 01:59:12,519
have other sources that they

3750
01:59:12,519 --> 01:59:14,530
can get to? We did that for

3751
01:59:14,530 --> 01:59:15,822
better or for worse. And so

3752
01:59:15,822 --> 01:59:18,240
folks have counted on us, and I

3753
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:21,260
don't think it's right to just

3754
01:59:21,260 --> 01:59:22,395
do that in one fell swoop. So

3755
01:59:22,395 --> 01:59:23,563
there was a comedian that

3756
01:59:23,563 --> 01:59:25,264
talked about one fell swoop.

3757
01:59:25,264 --> 01:59:26,365
I'm trying to remember. Anyway,

3758
01:59:26,365 --> 01:59:26,699
did you have something,

3759
01:59:26,699 --> 01:59:28,334
Commissioner?

3760
01:59:28,334 --> 01:59:30,302
>> Yeah. I just wanted to say

3761
01:59:30,302 --> 01:59:34,700
that I, I agree with you. And

3762
01:59:34,700 --> 01:59:36,375
looking at the the full third,

3763
01:59:36,375 --> 01:59:38,378
third millage and and just a

3764
01:59:38,378 --> 01:59:41,147
point on social action funding,

3765
01:59:41,147 --> 01:59:42,848
we were very generous to not

3766
01:59:42,848 --> 01:59:44,160
for profits with our Arpa

3767
01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:45,985
dollars, which was a choice we

3768
01:59:45,985 --> 01:59:47,921
made. We didn't have to do that,

3769
01:59:47,921 --> 01:59:49,188
but we. But we did that. And a

3770
01:59:49,188 --> 01:59:51,900
lot of these not for profits,

3771
01:59:51,900 --> 01:59:52,892
not all of them, but a lot of

3772
01:59:52,892 --> 01:59:53,993
them have some pretty nice

3773
01:59:53,993 --> 01:59:55,861
endowments as well. So I don't

3774
01:59:55,861 --> 01:59:56,862
think that they're going to. I

3775
01:59:56,862 --> 01:59:58,640
don't think that our.

3776
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:00,330
>> And that's what I want to.

3777
02:00:00,330 --> 02:00:00,967
That's what I want to dig in

3778
02:00:00,967 --> 02:00:02,967
and find out.

3779
02:00:03,200 --> 02:00:04,270
>> So yeah, and we have I have

3780
02:00:04,270 --> 02:00:06,500
some of that information, but a

3781
02:00:06,500 --> 02:00:08,400
lot of them have pretty nice

3782
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:09,241
endowments too. So I don't see

3783
02:00:09,241 --> 02:00:10,243
everybody likes to get money,

3784
02:00:10,243 --> 02:00:12,412
but I don't see any.

3785
02:00:12,412 --> 02:00:13,579
>> And I think that's a great

3786
02:00:13,579 --> 02:00:15,615
point. And I think Karen, at

3787
02:00:15,615 --> 02:00:16,449
least when we have that next

3788
02:00:16,449 --> 02:00:18,150
discussion on that, when we get

3789
02:00:18,150 --> 02:00:19,318
to specifics, I think that's a

3790
02:00:19,318 --> 02:00:20,653
good that's a good discussion

3791
02:00:20,653 --> 02:00:22,653
to have. Yeah.

3792
02:00:22,855 --> 02:00:24,657
>> So okay. That's all. Thanks.

3793
02:00:24,657 --> 02:00:26,920
>> Oh, Vince Nowicki, you left.

3794
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:27,125
I'm not going to recognize you

3795
02:00:27,125 --> 02:00:28,995
on the screen chair.

3796
02:00:28,995 --> 02:00:30,229
>> Can I, can I recommend that

3797
02:00:30,229 --> 02:00:31,763
you all take a quick vote to

3798
02:00:31,763 --> 02:00:32,564
allow his virtual participation

3799
02:00:32,564 --> 02:00:33,965
approval.

3800
02:00:33,965 --> 02:00:35,965
>> Second.

3801
02:00:36,102 --> 02:00:36,902
>> All in favor.

3802
02:00:36,902 --> 02:00:38,638
>> Aye.

3803
02:00:38,638 --> 02:00:39,739
>> All against. No, no. I'm

3804
02:00:39,739 --> 02:00:41,874
kidding. Go ahead. Vince.

3805
02:00:41,874 --> 02:00:43,642
>> He's in the timeout room.

3806
02:00:43,642 --> 02:00:46,212
>> Oh. Well, thank you for.

3807
02:00:46,212 --> 02:00:48,514
>> Allowing me to participate

3808
02:00:48,514 --> 02:00:50,416
virtually. I was going to wait

3809
02:00:50,416 --> 02:00:51,584
to bring all the hard cuts, so

3810
02:00:51,584 --> 02:00:53,653
I didn't have to be there in

3811
02:00:53,653 --> 02:00:54,620
person and get tomatoes thrown

3812
02:00:54,620 --> 02:00:56,456
at me. So I figured I would

3813
02:00:56,456 --> 02:00:59,158
just leave and then present all

3814
02:00:59,158 --> 02:01:01,558
the hard cuts virtually.

3815
02:01:01,661 --> 02:01:03,463
>> We can't even see your face.

3816
02:01:03,463 --> 02:01:04,864
>> Well, I'm driving, so I

3817
02:01:04,864 --> 02:01:07,767
don't want the sheriff to pull

3818
02:01:07,767 --> 02:01:10,200
me over in a flock camera, but

3819
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:11,403
I'll save that for another day.

3820
02:01:11,403 --> 02:01:13,205
>> You know what you want to

3821
02:01:13,205 --> 02:01:15,205
play, you know.

3822
02:01:15,774 --> 02:01:18,210
>> So I. I appreciate Barry and

3823
02:01:18,210 --> 02:01:21,810
Chris. You know, all the hard

3824
02:01:22,515 --> 02:01:24,317
work to get us halfway there. I

3825
02:01:24,317 --> 02:01:26,219
still think we can do a little

3826
02:01:26,219 --> 02:01:27,720
bit more work. And I support

3827
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:29,522
you, chair, by saying looking

3828
02:01:29,522 --> 02:01:31,323
at that third millage, looking

3829
02:01:31,323 --> 02:01:33,425
at that, I'm still not sure how

3830
02:01:33,425 --> 02:01:35,494
I feel about the social action

3831
02:01:35,494 --> 02:01:36,929
funding. I think we need to

3832
02:01:36,929 --> 02:01:38,864
maybe look at that a little bit

3833
02:01:38,864 --> 02:01:42,400
more. Could go one way or the

3834
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:44,537
other on it. A few things that

3835
02:01:44,537 --> 02:01:47,439
I brought up, I mean, workforce

3836
02:01:47,439 --> 02:01:49,307
relations barrier, Chris, in

3837
02:01:49,307 --> 02:01:51,477
that workforce relations, I

3838
02:01:51,477 --> 02:01:53,211
think we're spending like a few

3839
02:01:53,211 --> 02:01:55,313
hundred thousand dollars or

3840
02:01:55,313 --> 02:01:57,383
budgeting that for tuition

3841
02:01:57,383 --> 02:01:58,684
reimbursement. Do we know how

3842
02:01:58,684 --> 02:02:02,284
much of that is actually being

3843
02:02:02,555 --> 02:02:04,555
used?

3844
02:02:04,857 --> 02:02:06,524
>> I would have to look at that.

3845
02:02:06,524 --> 02:02:07,225
I haven't looked at that

3846
02:02:07,225 --> 02:02:08,794
specifically. I mean, Amanda is

3847
02:02:08,794 --> 02:02:10,262
in the audience, but it's

3848
02:02:10,262 --> 02:02:11,496
probably over. It's probably

3849
02:02:11,496 --> 02:02:13,732
not in workforce relations.

3850
02:02:13,732 --> 02:02:15,167
That's probably over an hr.

3851
02:02:15,167 --> 02:02:15,968
Yeah, it's over in general

3852
02:02:15,968 --> 02:02:17,303
government. That's a county

3853
02:02:17,303 --> 02:02:18,871
wide program we have. It's part

3854
02:02:18,871 --> 02:02:21,600
of our personnel policies and

3855
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:23,406
procedures for our employees.

3856
02:02:23,442 --> 02:02:25,477
So that's a county wide program.

3857
02:02:25,477 --> 02:02:26,145
>> Okay. I thought I saw it in

3858
02:02:26,145 --> 02:02:28,113
our workforce relations.

3859
02:02:28,113 --> 02:02:29,714
>> No, that would be over in hr

3860
02:02:29,714 --> 02:02:32,714
or or general government. Chris

3861
02:02:33,152 --> 02:02:34,252
is telling me, okay.

3862
02:02:34,252 --> 02:02:36,154
>> And then, you know, I

3863
02:02:36,154 --> 02:02:37,323
brought it up last year and

3864
02:02:37,323 --> 02:02:39,910
I'll bring it up again this

3865
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:40,659
year. I don't think we should

3866
02:02:40,659 --> 02:02:42,428
be paying for Icma

3867
02:02:42,428 --> 02:02:43,929
subscriptions. I know, Barry,

3868
02:02:43,929 --> 02:02:46,329
you adamantly disagree with

3869
02:02:46,398 --> 02:02:48,798
that, but they're still

3870
02:02:50,200 --> 02:02:52,604
promoting dei as their core

3871
02:02:52,604 --> 02:02:54,706
values. And to train government

3872
02:02:54,706 --> 02:02:58,430
employees how to promote dei in

3873
02:02:58,430 --> 02:03:00,443
government. So if someone's

3874
02:03:02,314 --> 02:03:04,183
getting 150,000 180,000

3875
02:03:04,183 --> 02:03:06,217
$200,000 a year salary, there's

3876
02:03:06,217 --> 02:03:08,153
no reason why they can't pay

3877
02:03:08,153 --> 02:03:10,922
for that own subscription on

3878
02:03:10,922 --> 02:03:12,758
their own. So maybe we don't

3879
02:03:12,758 --> 02:03:14,560
need to eliminate it for

3880
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:17,560
everybody. But I think if

3881
02:03:18,464 --> 02:03:20,732
you're making a significant

3882
02:03:20,732 --> 02:03:24,236
income that you should be able

3883
02:03:24,236 --> 02:03:26,700
to pay for that on your own

3884
02:03:26,700 --> 02:03:27,906
because it's helping you

3885
02:03:27,906 --> 02:03:30,306
advance their a person's

3886
02:03:31,142 --> 02:03:32,944
professional life.

3887
02:03:32,944 --> 02:03:34,944
>> Very

3888
02:03:34,980 --> 02:03:35,614
>> Well, I'd say I'm a is a

3889
02:03:35,614 --> 02:03:37,614
professional organization that

3890
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:39,840
that represents professionals

3891
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:40,452
throughout all cities and

3892
02:03:40,452 --> 02:03:42,852
counties across the United

3893
02:03:43,355 --> 02:03:45,590
States. They promote core

3894
02:03:45,590 --> 02:03:47,793
values. Those those values,

3895
02:03:47,793 --> 02:03:49,227
those tenets that we live by

3896
02:03:49,227 --> 02:03:50,329
include. We believe in

3897
02:03:50,329 --> 02:03:51,729
professional management is

3898
02:03:51,729 --> 02:03:53,164
essential to the effective,

3899
02:03:53,164 --> 02:03:54,633
efficient, equitable, and

3900
02:03:54,633 --> 02:03:56,633
democratic local government.

3901
02:03:56,735 --> 02:03:58,903
Everybody can can wordsmith

3902
02:03:58,903 --> 02:03:59,971
anything they want. It goes to

3903
02:03:59,971 --> 02:04:01,473
affirm the dignity and worth of

3904
02:04:01,473 --> 02:04:03,107
local government services to

3905
02:04:03,107 --> 02:04:05,677
maintain a sense of public

3906
02:04:05,677 --> 02:04:07,613
trust. We talk about the words

3907
02:04:07,613 --> 02:04:09,914
and highest ethical standards

3908
02:04:09,914 --> 02:04:11,683
and integrity in all

3909
02:04:11,683 --> 02:04:13,683
professional, personal and

3910
02:04:13,918 --> 02:04:15,287
public relationships. The best

3911
02:04:15,287 --> 02:04:17,456
interest of the community

3912
02:04:17,456 --> 02:04:18,957
members policy. We submit

3913
02:04:18,957 --> 02:04:19,957
policy proposals to elected

3914
02:04:19,957 --> 02:04:21,459
officials and provide them with

3915
02:04:21,459 --> 02:04:23,695
facts and technical and

3916
02:04:23,695 --> 02:04:25,300
professional advice. We

3917
02:04:25,300 --> 02:04:25,997
recognize elected officials are

3918
02:04:25,997 --> 02:04:27,199
accountable to their community

3919
02:04:27,199 --> 02:04:29,599
for decisions they make.

3920
02:04:30,501 --> 02:04:32,270
Members are responsible for. So,

3921
02:04:32,270 --> 02:04:33,572
and again, you can there's all

3922
02:04:33,572 --> 02:04:34,438
kinds of documents. There are

3923
02:04:34,438 --> 02:04:35,873
professional organization. They

3924
02:04:35,873 --> 02:04:36,908
have documents. And so I'm sure

3925
02:04:36,908 --> 02:04:38,430
there's something out there

3926
02:04:38,430 --> 02:04:39,878
that talks about equity and

3927
02:04:39,878 --> 02:04:41,212
things like that. But you go to

3928
02:04:41,212 --> 02:04:42,747
the core tenets. We actually

3929
02:04:42,747 --> 02:04:44,149
hold our our members

3930
02:04:44,149 --> 02:04:46,549
accountable for those core

3931
02:04:46,617 --> 02:04:48,887
tenets, including members that

3932
02:04:48,887 --> 02:04:50,288
violate those of, of taking

3933
02:04:50,288 --> 02:04:52,890
them out of the organization

3934
02:04:52,890 --> 02:04:53,858
and disbanding them from the

3935
02:04:53,858 --> 02:04:54,993
organization. So it's an

3936
02:04:54,993 --> 02:04:57,620
organization that holds the

3937
02:04:57,620 --> 02:04:58,329
highest ethical standards and

3938
02:04:58,329 --> 02:05:00,699
that we live by, and that's

3939
02:05:00,699 --> 02:05:02,567
part of our code of ethics. So

3940
02:05:02,567 --> 02:05:03,969
it is a it is a tremendous

3941
02:05:03,969 --> 02:05:05,969
professional organization, no

3942
02:05:06,171 --> 02:05:07,973
different than Naco or, or fac

3943
02:05:07,973 --> 02:05:10,441
or any other organization. Same

3944
02:05:10,441 --> 02:05:11,877
thing. We have a Florida

3945
02:05:11,877 --> 02:05:13,711
Association of City and County

3946
02:05:13,711 --> 02:05:15,711
Managers. I wholeheartedly

3947
02:05:16,614 --> 02:05:16,915
support that. I mean, yeah.

3948
02:05:16,915 --> 02:05:18,283
>> Okay.

3949
02:05:18,283 --> 02:05:20,218
>> All right. What else to say?

3950
02:05:20,218 --> 02:05:21,352
I mean, I'm picking on them is

3951
02:05:21,352 --> 02:05:23,540
just wrong.

3952
02:05:23,540 --> 02:05:23,722
>> Vince, hold on one second.

3953
02:05:23,722 --> 02:05:25,590
Commissioner Latvala.

3954
02:05:25,590 --> 02:05:25,924
>> How much is that

3955
02:05:25,924 --> 02:05:27,324
subscription?

3956
02:05:27,324 --> 02:05:27,925
>> I, I don't know. It's based

3957
02:05:27,925 --> 02:05:29,925
on.

3958
02:05:30,562 --> 02:05:31,896
>> It's based on your income.

3959
02:05:31,896 --> 02:05:33,731
>> But yeah. And it's capped at

3960
02:05:33,731 --> 02:05:35,800
a certain amount. But we have a

3961
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:37,602
lot of our, we have a lot of

3962
02:05:37,602 --> 02:05:38,802
our staff that are, that are

3963
02:05:38,802 --> 02:05:39,870
members of it. It's usually

3964
02:05:39,870 --> 02:05:40,805
it's all my aca, several

3965
02:05:40,805 --> 02:05:41,573
department heads and things

3966
02:05:41,573 --> 02:05:42,840
like that.

3967
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:43,708
>> We can get that number.

3968
02:05:43,708 --> 02:05:45,643
>> We can.

3969
02:05:45,643 --> 02:05:46,778
>> Okay. I'm just it was a

3970
02:05:46,778 --> 02:05:48,212
question so we can get the

3971
02:05:48,212 --> 02:05:50,382
number. Vince. Go ahead.

3972
02:05:50,382 --> 02:05:52,216
>> Thank you chair. You know, I

3973
02:05:52,216 --> 02:05:54,180
do support Commissioner

3974
02:05:54,180 --> 02:05:56,860
Scheer's. I don't know if he's

3975
02:05:56,860 --> 02:05:57,989
withdrawn his Naco proposal,

3976
02:05:57,989 --> 02:06:01,825
but I. I would be supportive of

3977
02:06:01,825 --> 02:06:03,361
that. And then.

3978
02:06:03,361 --> 02:06:05,129
>> Yeah. Yeah. So you're

3979
02:06:05,129 --> 02:06:06,631
supporting his support of the

3980
02:06:06,631 --> 02:06:08,650
Naco thing?

3981
02:06:08,650 --> 02:06:08,699
>> Correct. Unless he's already

3982
02:06:08,699 --> 02:06:08,933
withdrew it then.

3983
02:06:08,933 --> 02:06:10,933
>> Yeah.

3984
02:06:12,303 --> 02:06:15,903
>> He did. Okay. Well, good job,

3985
02:06:16,974 --> 02:06:20,244
I guess. And then and I'll and

3986
02:06:20,244 --> 02:06:21,278
I'll have more. But but but the

3987
02:06:21,278 --> 02:06:23,678
reserves that we're setting

3988
02:06:24,882 --> 02:06:26,160
aside for the building to you

3989
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:28,585
know, Barry and I, we talked

3990
02:06:28,585 --> 02:06:31,122
about this in our one on one.

3991
02:06:31,122 --> 02:06:32,522
It's really hard to accept how

3992
02:06:32,522 --> 02:06:35,250
we're setting aside money when

3993
02:06:35,250 --> 02:06:38,625
we don't have like an exact

3994
02:06:38,997 --> 02:06:40,864
cost. So I just, I mean, if

3995
02:06:40,864 --> 02:06:43,368
we're a few million dollars

3996
02:06:43,368 --> 02:06:44,735
away from a full rollback, you

3997
02:06:44,735 --> 02:06:47,672
know, I think we should really

3998
02:06:47,672 --> 02:06:49,730
look at that, you know, really

3999
02:06:49,730 --> 02:06:50,207
dial in on how much we're

4000
02:06:50,207 --> 02:06:51,975
setting aside. Maybe we only

4001
02:06:51,975 --> 02:06:54,879
set aside 2 million this year

4002
02:06:54,879 --> 02:06:56,613
instead of 4 million. So, so I

4003
02:06:56,613 --> 02:06:58,415
mean, I would be in favor of

4004
02:06:58,415 --> 02:06:59,917
something of that. And then I

4005
02:06:59,917 --> 02:07:02,317
haven't really counted the

4006
02:07:02,386 --> 02:07:05,890
votes on the the sheriff. But

4007
02:07:05,890 --> 02:07:07,424
Barry, do you know, for the $2

4008
02:07:07,424 --> 02:07:08,860
million, what percent of the

4009
02:07:08,860 --> 02:07:11,260
sheriff's budget that would

4010
02:07:11,362 --> 02:07:13,762
represent like 0.6% of his

4011
02:07:13,831 --> 02:07:15,831
budget?

4012
02:07:15,833 --> 02:07:18,233
>> Pretty easy math two. 2

4013
02:07:18,336 --> 02:07:19,703
million out of 500 million. So

4014
02:07:19,703 --> 02:07:21,471
whatever. Whatever that

4015
02:07:21,471 --> 02:07:23,471
calculation is.

4016
02:07:26,214 --> 02:07:28,613
>> I like 0.6%, maybe 0.7%. So,

4017
02:07:28,613 --> 02:07:30,470
you know, 0.4. Okay. I was

4018
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:32,447
being more conservative, I

4019
02:07:35,860 --> 02:07:36,621
guess. So I mean, I support law

4020
02:07:36,621 --> 02:07:38,389
enforcement. I'm the first

4021
02:07:38,389 --> 02:07:40,224
person to say, you know, law

4022
02:07:40,224 --> 02:07:41,925
enforcement should have more

4023
02:07:41,925 --> 02:07:42,827
measures of going after

4024
02:07:42,827 --> 02:07:44,828
criminals and taking out the

4025
02:07:44,828 --> 02:07:47,364
bad guys. Do we have any

4026
02:07:47,364 --> 02:07:50,234
numbers on the sheriff's, like

4027
02:07:50,234 --> 02:07:52,436
vacant positions or their lapse

4028
02:07:52,436 --> 02:07:54,404
employment management? I mean,

4029
02:07:54,404 --> 02:07:56,874
you know, we're not defunding

4030
02:07:56,874 --> 02:07:59,610
the police if we don't approve

4031
02:07:59,610 --> 02:08:01,440
a $2 million budget increase

4032
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:04,440
because the budget for the

4033
02:08:05,150 --> 02:08:07,550
sheriff is still a $22 million

4034
02:08:07,550 --> 02:08:08,785
increase.

4035
02:08:08,785 --> 02:08:09,953
>> Right. Go ahead. Hold on,

4036
02:08:09,953 --> 02:08:10,588
hold on, Commissioner Nowicki.

4037
02:08:10,588 --> 02:08:11,755
Go ahead.

4038
02:08:11,755 --> 02:08:12,890
>> Barry. So I've tried to

4039
02:08:12,890 --> 02:08:14,724
address this with the sheriff

4040
02:08:14,724 --> 02:08:15,825
before. In terms of vacancy

4041
02:08:15,825 --> 02:08:17,940
savings, his turnover rate,

4042
02:08:17,940 --> 02:08:18,929
etcetera and stuff. Obviously

4043
02:08:18,929 --> 02:08:20,931
when you have a post, if you

4044
02:08:20,931 --> 02:08:22,650
have a post at the jail and you

4045
02:08:22,650 --> 02:08:23,167
have a vacancy, they backfill

4046
02:08:23,167 --> 02:08:24,968
that with overtime because you

4047
02:08:24,968 --> 02:08:26,102
got to have that post filled,

4048
02:08:26,102 --> 02:08:27,237
right? Same thing out on the

4049
02:08:27,237 --> 02:08:28,339
street. There's other positions

4050
02:08:28,339 --> 02:08:30,207
where you don't necessarily

4051
02:08:30,207 --> 02:08:32,900
have that, so you have turnover.

4052
02:08:32,900 --> 02:08:33,544
However, what we don't fund is

4053
02:08:33,544 --> 02:08:35,412
all the people that are gone at

4054
02:08:35,412 --> 02:08:38,182
the police academy. So he uses

4055
02:08:38,182 --> 02:08:39,917
those vacancy savings to fund

4056
02:08:39,917 --> 02:08:41,510
his officers at the police

4057
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:42,319
academy while they're out at

4058
02:08:42,319 --> 02:08:44,288
the police academy, but not on

4059
02:08:44,288 --> 02:08:46,123
the street holding a post. He

4060
02:08:46,123 --> 02:08:48,859
also overlaps them with a I

4061
02:08:48,859 --> 02:08:50,270
believe it's a 90 or 120 day

4062
02:08:50,270 --> 02:08:51,161
field training officer before

4063
02:08:51,161 --> 02:08:52,495
they're allowed to be out on

4064
02:08:52,495 --> 02:08:54,331
the street by themselves. And

4065
02:08:54,331 --> 02:08:56,834
so again, that's time where you

4066
02:08:56,834 --> 02:08:57,935
have you don't have a fully

4067
02:08:57,935 --> 02:08:59,770
functional officer. And so they,

4068
02:08:59,770 --> 02:09:00,971
they use those funds. So the

4069
02:09:00,971 --> 02:09:02,506
specifics of it, we don't have

4070
02:09:02,506 --> 02:09:04,374
that type of detail in the

4071
02:09:04,374 --> 02:09:05,775
budget. But that's how he's

4072
02:09:05,775 --> 02:09:06,910
explained that to me in the

4073
02:09:06,910 --> 02:09:08,812
past. When we were looking at

4074
02:09:08,812 --> 02:09:10,313
it, when I was applying it to

4075
02:09:10,313 --> 02:09:11,714
all of our other departments.

4076
02:09:11,714 --> 02:09:13,716
So beyond that, I can't give

4077
02:09:13,716 --> 02:09:15,552
you more of an explanation, but

4078
02:09:15,552 --> 02:09:17,120
I will tell you, obviously,

4079
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:19,822
that he has stated publicly

4080
02:09:19,822 --> 02:09:23,422
that he he doesn't support any

4081
02:09:23,426 --> 02:09:24,962
further reductions.

4082
02:09:24,962 --> 02:09:27,397
>> Well, to be clear, it's not

4083
02:09:27,397 --> 02:09:29,599
a reduction. It's he's still

4084
02:09:29,599 --> 02:09:31,367
getting an increase.

4085
02:09:31,367 --> 02:09:33,136
>> It's a reduction in his

4086
02:09:33,136 --> 02:09:34,671
increased budget proposal.

4087
02:09:34,671 --> 02:09:36,671
>> Yes.

4088
02:09:38,942 --> 02:09:40,176
>> Right. So semantics I guess,

4089
02:09:40,176 --> 02:09:42,645
but okay. Yeah. I mean, I would

4090
02:09:42,645 --> 02:09:44,314
just be curious if there's a

4091
02:09:44,314 --> 02:09:46,482
way that a lot of other

4092
02:09:46,482 --> 02:09:49,482
departments, I guess, are going

4093
02:09:51,321 --> 02:09:54,321
down a few percentages that

4094
02:09:55,159 --> 02:09:58,759
it's just hard to believe you

4095
02:09:59,830 --> 02:10:02,230
can't find a point 4%

4096
02:10:02,699 --> 02:10:03,767
efficiency somewhere. But I

4097
02:10:03,767 --> 02:10:05,134
haven't seen the sheriff's

4098
02:10:05,134 --> 02:10:07,690
budget, but I know he's doing a

4099
02:10:07,690 --> 02:10:08,872
great job and I support our

4100
02:10:08,872 --> 02:10:10,707
sheriff. So if he says he it's

4101
02:10:10,707 --> 02:10:12,175
physically impossible, then I

4102
02:10:12,175 --> 02:10:14,175
guess it's physically

4103
02:10:15,112 --> 02:10:16,480
impossible. But with that, I'm

4104
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:18,447
sure Barry and I will go over

4105
02:10:18,447 --> 02:10:20,417
more stuff in our one on one

4106
02:10:20,417 --> 02:10:21,818
and looking forward to the

4107
02:10:21,818 --> 02:10:22,151
continued meeting. Thank you

4108
02:10:22,151 --> 02:10:23,653
chair.

4109
02:10:23,653 --> 02:10:25,588
>> And just I don't know if you

4110
02:10:25,588 --> 02:10:27,857
were on when we were talking

4111
02:10:27,857 --> 02:10:30,160
about that. We have a

4112
02:10:30,160 --> 02:10:32,160
commission meeting next

4113
02:10:33,290 --> 02:10:34,431
Thursday, and then we have a

4114
02:10:34,431 --> 02:10:36,699
commission meeting on the 24th

4115
02:10:36,699 --> 02:10:39,680
or 25th. The week before that,

4116
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:41,204
we have a workshop where we

4117
02:10:41,204 --> 02:10:43,604
could discuss some additional

4118
02:10:43,740 --> 02:10:46,800
items in public together and

4119
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:49,345
make changes to the budget that

4120
02:10:49,345 --> 02:10:50,913
we preliminarily advance from

4121
02:10:50,913 --> 02:10:52,449
the first meeting. We could

4122
02:10:52,449 --> 02:10:54,984
make some changes on the fly

4123
02:10:54,984 --> 02:10:56,152
for that. The final hearing on

4124
02:10:56,152 --> 02:10:57,821
the 25th.

4125
02:10:57,821 --> 02:10:59,589
>> We simply need a simple

4126
02:10:59,589 --> 02:11:01,257
majority vote to advance out of

4127
02:11:01,257 --> 02:11:02,992
the first public hearing, and

4128
02:11:02,992 --> 02:11:04,227
then the second will be where

4129
02:11:04,227 --> 02:11:05,729
we have to go through.

4130
02:11:05,729 --> 02:11:06,196
>> The different, the different

4131
02:11:06,196 --> 02:11:06,429
levels.

4132
02:11:06,429 --> 02:11:07,897
>> Etc.

4133
02:11:07,897 --> 02:11:09,310
>> And stuff. So I have a

4134
02:11:09,310 --> 02:11:10,166
question. Hold on, Commissioner

4135
02:11:10,166 --> 02:11:11,767
Nowicki. Just one thing, Barry.

4136
02:11:11,767 --> 02:11:14,471
In looking at the operating

4137
02:11:14,471 --> 02:11:16,471
budget comparisons from 25, 26

4138
02:11:18,407 --> 02:11:21,277
and 27 under and again not

4139
02:11:21,277 --> 02:11:22,745
picking on on on Karen but I'm

4140
02:11:22,745 --> 02:11:25,745
looking at the human services

4141
02:11:26,282 --> 02:11:27,817
budget proposal on 26 versus 27.

4142
02:11:27,817 --> 02:11:29,510
And and I'm sure there's some

4143
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:31,754
really good explanation of why

4144
02:11:31,754 --> 02:11:34,154
it's going up almost 100%, $200

4145
02:11:35,570 --> 02:11:36,250
million from two, two, 83 to 4

4146
02:11:36,250 --> 02:11:37,590
to 480.

4147
02:11:37,590 --> 02:11:37,493
>> That's that hospital

4148
02:11:37,493 --> 02:11:39,493
transfer.

4149
02:11:39,595 --> 02:11:39,929
>> The hospital we're

4150
02:11:39,929 --> 02:11:41,597
transferring.

4151
02:11:41,597 --> 02:11:42,598
>> The money from that we get

4152
02:11:42,598 --> 02:11:43,766
from the federal government.

4153
02:11:43,766 --> 02:11:45,601
And we and it's the pass

4154
02:11:45,601 --> 02:11:46,736
through. We we bring it in.

4155
02:11:46,736 --> 02:11:47,837
Then we transfer it to the

4156
02:11:47,837 --> 02:11:49,720
hospitals. They are getting a

4157
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:49,672
boatload of money.

4158
02:11:49,672 --> 02:11:51,507
>> But we.

4159
02:11:51,507 --> 02:11:53,800
>> Don't get it's not us.

4160
02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:55,408
>> But it's reflecting. It's

4161
02:11:55,845 --> 02:11:57,647
reflected in our our cost basis.

4162
02:11:57,647 --> 02:11:58,715
>> It is reflected in our cost

4163
02:11:58,715 --> 02:12:00,516
basis. That's when we get

4164
02:12:00,516 --> 02:12:01,951
criticized on budget. You know,

4165
02:12:01,951 --> 02:12:03,386
nobody understands it. Those

4166
02:12:03,386 --> 02:12:05,421
are grants. Those are this

4167
02:12:05,421 --> 02:12:06,255
those are you're not going to

4168
02:12:06,255 --> 02:12:06,755
see that.

4169
02:12:06,755 --> 02:12:08,357
>> Administrative cost.

4170
02:12:08,357 --> 02:12:10,526
>> Out of it. I've been

4171
02:12:10,526 --> 02:12:12,728
criticized on that many times,

4172
02:12:12,728 --> 02:12:13,796
you know, yet their grants and

4173
02:12:13,796 --> 02:12:15,970
their other things.

4174
02:12:15,970 --> 02:12:16,899
>> Well, I mean, that one just

4175
02:12:16,899 --> 02:12:18,801
that one jumps out at you. Oh

4176
02:12:18,801 --> 02:12:19,968
yeah. I mean, when you talk

4177
02:12:19,968 --> 02:12:21,737
about but we're getting dollar

4178
02:12:21,737 --> 02:12:23,238
for dollar on that right.

4179
02:12:23,238 --> 02:12:23,472
>> We're getting it's all pass

4180
02:12:23,472 --> 02:12:24,574
through.

4181
02:12:24,574 --> 02:12:26,209
>> It's just 200 million coming

4182
02:12:26,209 --> 02:12:27,543
in 200 million going out.

4183
02:12:27,543 --> 02:12:29,245
>> Correct. I think we we we

4184
02:12:29,245 --> 02:12:32,245
put a small administrative fee

4185
02:12:33,549 --> 02:12:35,949
on of, you know, 150 000.

4186
02:12:38,554 --> 02:12:39,989
>> So okay. Yuck. Thank you.

4187
02:12:39,989 --> 02:12:41,156
That's what that's kind of the

4188
02:12:41,156 --> 02:12:43,250
stuff that's embedded in our

4189
02:12:43,250 --> 02:12:44,126
budget. It is. When we look at

4190
02:12:44,126 --> 02:12:46,562
the millage rate that covers

4191
02:12:46,562 --> 02:12:47,997
the costs.

4192
02:12:47,997 --> 02:12:49,698
>> Yeah. That's the reason you

4193
02:12:49,698 --> 02:12:51,300
just got to look at the millage

4194
02:12:51,300 --> 02:12:53,350
rate. Because the others are

4195
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:56,500
even on the chart that we have.

4196
02:12:56,500 --> 02:12:56,739
You know, you see you see the

4197
02:12:56,739 --> 02:12:58,608
blip. And that's and that's the

4198
02:12:58,608 --> 02:12:59,675
reason we put on there. That's

4199
02:12:59,675 --> 02:13:01,544
the cares funding. And it took

4200
02:13:01,544 --> 02:13:01,744
us several years to spend that

4201
02:13:01,744 --> 02:13:02,678
down.

4202
02:13:02,678 --> 02:13:05,780
>> Understand? Did you have

4203
02:13:05,247 --> 02:13:07,490
something else? Okay. Okay.

4204
02:13:07,490 --> 02:13:08,117
Good. You good for now. Okay.

4205
02:13:08,117 --> 02:13:10,860
>> So, commissioners, I got one

4206
02:13:10,860 --> 02:13:12,821
on ones with you next week, so

4207
02:13:12,821 --> 02:13:13,956
I'm sure that'll be part of

4208
02:13:13,956 --> 02:13:15,757
figuring out where everybody's

4209
02:13:15,757 --> 02:13:17,493
at, where we're going. So we'll

4210
02:13:17,493 --> 02:13:19,328
have more discussion then feel

4211
02:13:19,328 --> 02:13:20,429
free to send any additional

4212
02:13:20,429 --> 02:13:21,564
questions. We'll try to answer

4213
02:13:21,564 --> 02:13:23,432
them as we've been doing and

4214
02:13:23,432 --> 02:13:27,320
get those out to the entire

4215
02:13:27,169 --> 02:13:29,771
board. And then we do have the

4216
02:13:29,771 --> 02:13:32,800
next Thursday, the first budget

4217
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:34,443
public hearing. Then we will

4218
02:13:34,443 --> 02:13:37,646
have a work session on the 17th

4219
02:13:37,646 --> 02:13:40,215
and on the 24th, the second

4220
02:13:40,215 --> 02:13:41,583
public budget hearing.

4221
02:13:41,583 --> 02:13:43,319
>> We'll get the script.

4222
02:13:43,319 --> 02:13:44,519
>> Yeah, we're we need to meet

4223
02:13:44,519 --> 02:13:46,989
with you and go through the

4224
02:13:46,989 --> 02:13:48,924
script and all that stuff and.

4225
02:13:48,924 --> 02:13:50,359
Yeah.

4226
02:13:50,359 --> 02:13:52,794
>> Okay. So I thought I was

4227
02:13:52,794 --> 02:13:54,429
supposed to have already had it.

4228
02:13:54,429 --> 02:13:55,331
I thought I was supposed to

4229
02:13:55,331 --> 02:13:57,232
already have it.

4230
02:13:57,232 --> 02:13:57,532
>> So he does already have it.

4231
02:13:57,532 --> 02:13:59,234
>> Oh, okay.

4232
02:13:59,234 --> 02:14:00,402
>> You do need to.

4233
02:14:00,402 --> 02:14:00,602
>> You're just holding it back,

4234
02:14:00,602 --> 02:14:02,204
Chris.

4235
02:14:02,204 --> 02:14:03,472
>> But you know, commissioners,

4236
02:14:03,472 --> 02:14:05,341
I can't I can't let this go.

4237
02:14:05,341 --> 02:14:07,243
You know, you if you look on

4238
02:14:07,243 --> 02:14:09,378
the last page, the read where

4239
02:14:09,378 --> 02:14:11,480
general government's going down

4240
02:14:11,480 --> 02:14:13,480
88.5 2%, county administrative

4241
02:14:13,648 --> 02:14:16,480
departments going down four

4242
02:14:16,518 --> 02:14:18,870
point. That includes raises.

4243
02:14:18,870 --> 02:14:19,588
And, you know, Chris and I

4244
02:14:19,588 --> 02:14:21,590
didn't do that. It's everybody

4245
02:14:21,590 --> 02:14:22,691
out here in the audience. It's

4246
02:14:22,691 --> 02:14:24,393
all of our department heads. I

4247
02:14:24,393 --> 02:14:25,561
mean, they went back and looked

4248
02:14:25,561 --> 02:14:26,595
at their budget and they dug

4249
02:14:26,595 --> 02:14:28,297
deeper and they brought

4250
02:14:28,297 --> 02:14:30,266
additional cuts to you because

4251
02:14:30,266 --> 02:14:31,599
we asked them to. And so I just

4252
02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:33,836
can't let that go unnoticed to

4253
02:14:33,836 --> 02:14:35,704
say thank you for I mean, they

4254
02:14:35,704 --> 02:14:38,400
truly care about trying to meet

4255
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:39,608
your goals, which is trying to

4256
02:14:39,608 --> 02:14:41,410
balance providing services to

4257
02:14:41,410 --> 02:14:42,877
our residents, but doing it at

4258
02:14:42,877 --> 02:14:44,612
the lowest cost possible and

4259
02:14:44,612 --> 02:14:46,480
keep the tax rate low. And so

4260
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:47,515
they've delivered. They've

4261
02:14:47,515 --> 02:14:49,318
delivered for you repeatedly

4262
02:14:49,318 --> 02:14:50,685
year after year. And so I just

4263
02:14:50,685 --> 02:14:52,187
wanted to thank them publicly

4264
02:14:52,187 --> 02:14:53,656
for all their efforts, because

4265
02:14:53,656 --> 02:14:55,891
they truly are trying to do the

4266
02:14:55,891 --> 02:14:57,292
best job that they can and meet

4267
02:14:57,292 --> 02:14:58,627
all the competing needs.

4268
02:14:58,627 --> 02:15:01,196
>> Yeah, it's a great point,

4269
02:15:01,196 --> 02:15:02,598
Barry. And it I see a lot of

4270
02:15:02,598 --> 02:15:05,500
directors and others over there

4271
02:15:05,500 --> 02:15:07,269
and I it certainly doesn't go

4272
02:15:07,269 --> 02:15:08,736
unnoticed. Perhaps not said

4273
02:15:08,736 --> 02:15:10,672
enough. Thank you for what you

4274
02:15:10,672 --> 02:15:12,107
all have done this year to. And

4275
02:15:12,107 --> 02:15:13,942
you know, it's not an easy time

4276
02:15:13,942 --> 02:15:15,744
for any of us. And it includes.

4277
02:15:15,744 --> 02:15:16,978
All of you guys are doing the

4278
02:15:16,978 --> 02:15:19,881
heavy lifting to give us these

4279
02:15:19,881 --> 02:15:21,750
options on a piece of paper. So

4280
02:15:21,750 --> 02:15:23,118
echoing your comments and I'm

4281
02:15:23,118 --> 02:15:26,718
glad you said that. Thank you

4282
02:15:27,456 --> 02:15:29,591
to everybody. Okay. We are

4283
02:15:29,591 --> 02:15:32,494
jumping into, oh, we go from

4284
02:15:32,494 --> 02:15:34,462
budgets to potable irrigation

4285
02:15:34,462 --> 02:15:36,831
meters and Jeremy Ward better

4286
02:15:36,831 --> 02:15:38,634
be coming ready to.

4287
02:15:38,634 --> 02:15:40,100
>> We we wanted to do budget

4288
02:15:40,100 --> 02:15:41,903
first. We don't want you in a

4289
02:15:41,903 --> 02:15:43,380
bad mood before we get to

4290
02:15:43,380 --> 02:15:46,380
budget, you know? So Jeremy,

4291
02:15:46,541 --> 02:15:47,709
you're on.

4292
02:15:47,709 --> 02:15:49,644
>> And I'm making sure that I

4293
02:15:49,644 --> 02:15:51,579
had lots of tables with numbers

4294
02:15:51,579 --> 02:15:54,579
so you can evaluate more

4295
02:15:55,583 --> 02:15:57,418
numbers. So. Jeremy, water

4296
02:15:57,418 --> 02:15:59,387
utilities director, you guys

4297
02:15:59,387 --> 02:16:01,323
asked me to go back and look at

4298
02:16:01,323 --> 02:16:03,910
the feasibility of potable

4299
02:16:03,910 --> 02:16:04,859
irrigation meters. So I just

4300
02:16:04,859 --> 02:16:07,796
want to give you an update of

4301
02:16:07,796 --> 02:16:10,265
where we're at with that review.

4302
02:16:10,265 --> 02:16:12,600
So as I understood the question,

4303
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:14,200
the we have certain residents

4304
02:16:14,200 --> 02:16:15,360
that do not have reclaimed

4305
02:16:15,360 --> 02:16:16,471
water service to their house

4306
02:16:16,471 --> 02:16:19,274
yet are still irrigating their

4307
02:16:19,274 --> 02:16:20,575
lawns, using potable water, and

4308
02:16:20,575 --> 02:16:22,575
several other municipalities

4309
02:16:23,278 --> 02:16:25,460
and water companies allow

4310
02:16:25,460 --> 02:16:26,547
separate meters for irrigation

4311
02:16:26,547 --> 02:16:28,115
water. So essentially, the way

4312
02:16:28,115 --> 02:16:29,117
it works under today in

4313
02:16:29,117 --> 02:16:31,517
Pinellas County utilities, if

4314
02:16:31,852 --> 02:16:33,354
you water your lawn using your

4315
02:16:33,354 --> 02:16:34,889
potable water meter, you are

4316
02:16:34,889 --> 02:16:37,889
paying sewer charges on water

4317
02:16:39,460 --> 02:16:43,364
that are going on your lawn. So.

4318
02:16:43,364 --> 02:16:44,833
Is there a way to ease that

4319
02:16:44,833 --> 02:16:46,935
burden on those specific

4320
02:16:46,935 --> 02:16:48,136
customers? For reference, I put

4321
02:16:48,136 --> 02:16:50,538
down here just at the bottom

4322
02:16:50,538 --> 02:16:53,141
line today, under the current

4323
02:16:53,141 --> 02:16:54,575
rate structure, at 10,000

4324
02:16:54,575 --> 02:16:56,440
gallons of water usage, you no

4325
02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:57,345
longer get charged sewer

4326
02:16:57,345 --> 02:16:58,980
charges. So you're capped. So

4327
02:16:58,980 --> 02:17:00,748
if you use 100,000 gallons a

4328
02:17:00,748 --> 02:17:02,115
month because you're a over

4329
02:17:02,115 --> 02:17:03,351
irrigator, you are still capped

4330
02:17:03,351 --> 02:17:04,685
at 10,000 gallons.

4331
02:17:04,685 --> 02:17:06,421
>> But but you're still using

4332
02:17:06,421 --> 02:17:06,788
the more expensive potable

4333
02:17:06,788 --> 02:17:07,922
water.

4334
02:17:07,922 --> 02:17:09,757
>> You are absolutely using

4335
02:17:09,757 --> 02:17:11,959
more potable water. And we only

4336
02:17:11,959 --> 02:17:13,394
have availability to about

4337
02:17:13,394 --> 02:17:14,762
17,000 customers for reclaimed

4338
02:17:14,762 --> 02:17:17,232
water. So reclaimed water is

4339
02:17:17,232 --> 02:17:20,232
not even available to all

4340
02:17:22,370 --> 02:17:23,771
100,000 plus water customers.

4341
02:17:23,771 --> 02:17:25,439
So I wanted to guide I'm sorry,

4342
02:17:25,439 --> 02:17:27,342
there's going to be math here

4343
02:17:27,342 --> 02:17:29,311
in numbers, but I do want to

4344
02:17:29,311 --> 02:17:32,714
just walk you through how this

4345
02:17:32,714 --> 02:17:34,882
applies to different people. On

4346
02:17:34,882 --> 02:17:37,510
average, we use about 83

4347
02:17:37,510 --> 02:17:38,686
gallons per day per person of

4348
02:17:38,686 --> 02:17:40,621
potable water in Pinellas

4349
02:17:40,621 --> 02:17:42,257
County utilities 20 years ago,

4350
02:17:42,257 --> 02:17:45,257
that was about 100 gallons per

4351
02:17:46,728 --> 02:17:48,229
day. As soon as ten years ago,

4352
02:17:48,229 --> 02:17:50,640
we were down to 85 gallons a

4353
02:17:50,640 --> 02:17:52,132
day. And now our last count,

4354
02:17:52,132 --> 02:17:54,401
two years ago, we were about 83

4355
02:17:54,401 --> 02:17:56,137
gallons a day. So we are

4356
02:17:56,137 --> 02:17:57,504
showing water conservation

4357
02:17:57,504 --> 02:17:59,307
measures working in Pinellas

4358
02:17:59,307 --> 02:18:02,100
County. But even at 83 gallons

4359
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:03,444
a day, that's about 2500

4360
02:18:03,444 --> 02:18:05,580
gallons a month, which rounds

4361
02:18:05,580 --> 02:18:06,848
up to 3000 gallons of billing

4362
02:18:06,848 --> 02:18:08,583
per our billing rules. We bill

4363
02:18:08,583 --> 02:18:11,619
about a thousand. So if you're

4364
02:18:11,619 --> 02:18:13,755
a single person, you MAY or MAY

4365
02:18:13,755 --> 02:18:15,522
not use irrigation at your

4366
02:18:15,522 --> 02:18:17,291
house. So you can see the first

4367
02:18:17,291 --> 02:18:19,590
row there has $0. So this is

4368
02:18:19,590 --> 02:18:20,261
someone who lives in a condo or

4369
02:18:20,261 --> 02:18:21,862
a house without irrigation

4370
02:18:21,862 --> 02:18:23,970
system. And then there's

4371
02:18:23,970 --> 02:18:24,265
different levels of irrigating.

4372
02:18:24,265 --> 02:18:25,399
Different people use different

4373
02:18:25,399 --> 02:18:27,835
levels of irrigation as you're

4374
02:18:27,835 --> 02:18:29,736
aware. So our kind of tabulated

4375
02:18:29,736 --> 02:18:31,380
here for a household that

4376
02:18:31,380 --> 02:18:32,807
doesn't use irrigation, that

4377
02:18:32,807 --> 02:18:36,770
has a single person, they MAY

4378
02:18:36,770 --> 02:18:38,211
use 3000 gallons of water on a

4379
02:18:38,211 --> 02:18:41,211
monthly basis. And then if

4380
02:18:42,684 --> 02:18:44,185
you're a standard water user

4381
02:18:44,185 --> 02:18:46,185
for irrigation, 12,000 gallons

4382
02:18:46,454 --> 02:18:50,540
of irrigation, you might use a

4383
02:18:50,158 --> 02:18:51,559
total of 15,000 gallons a month.

4384
02:18:51,559 --> 02:18:53,294
You add to that, from a sewer

4385
02:18:53,294 --> 02:18:56,294
charging standpoint, we have a

4386
02:18:58,733 --> 02:19:00,167
sewer base rate and then up to.

4387
02:19:00,167 --> 02:19:02,700
10,000 gallons, you are charged

4388
02:19:02,700 --> 02:19:04,471
per thousand gallons of water

4389
02:19:04,471 --> 02:19:06,390
used at your house. That goes

4390
02:19:06,390 --> 02:19:07,641
and adds to the sewer bill. So

4391
02:19:07,641 --> 02:19:08,843
what I showed here in the last

4392
02:19:08,843 --> 02:19:10,511
column, and I again, I

4393
02:19:10,511 --> 02:19:11,712
apologize for all the numbers.

4394
02:19:11,712 --> 02:19:13,881
It's going to get worse here in

4395
02:19:13,881 --> 02:19:17,485
a minute, but if you are a non

4396
02:19:17,485 --> 02:19:19,530
irrigator using a per capita

4397
02:19:19,530 --> 02:19:20,321
normal usage rate for a single

4398
02:19:20,321 --> 02:19:22,556
person, your sewer bill and

4399
02:19:22,556 --> 02:19:25,359
current bill charges is about

4400
02:19:25,359 --> 02:19:27,562
$46 a month. If you are an

4401
02:19:27,562 --> 02:19:29,763
irrigator using potable water,

4402
02:19:29,763 --> 02:19:32,199
your bill would be more in the

4403
02:19:32,199 --> 02:19:33,334
range of $102. Just on the

4404
02:19:33,334 --> 02:19:34,434
sewer side. We're not talking

4405
02:19:34,434 --> 02:19:36,370
about water, bill. This is just

4406
02:19:36,370 --> 02:19:37,939
the sewer bill. And you can see

4407
02:19:37,939 --> 02:19:38,706
that as you increase the

4408
02:19:38,706 --> 02:19:41,106
irrigation, your sewer bill

4409
02:19:42,757 --> 02:19:43,310
does not increase. So I just

4410
02:19:43,310 --> 02:19:46,460
wanted to walk through that as

4411
02:19:46,460 --> 02:19:47,782
a single person household. And

4412
02:19:47,782 --> 02:19:49,516
how irrigating affects the bill

4413
02:19:49,516 --> 02:19:50,317
you receive at home on a

4414
02:19:50,317 --> 02:19:51,352
monthly basis.

4415
02:19:51,352 --> 02:19:53,352
>> Because you've you've

4416
02:19:53,487 --> 02:19:55,689
already you've gone over the

4417
02:19:55,689 --> 02:19:57,124
10,000 gallons per month of

4418
02:19:57,124 --> 02:19:57,925
potable. Correct. So the sewer

4419
02:19:57,925 --> 02:19:59,893
doesn't come into play.

4420
02:19:59,893 --> 02:20:01,395
>> So the sewer no longer adds

4421
02:20:01,395 --> 02:20:03,795
more to the bill.

4422
02:20:04,698 --> 02:20:06,801
>> Is that for all potable?

4423
02:20:06,801 --> 02:20:08,801
>> All potable? Yes.

4424
02:20:12,473 --> 02:20:14,407
>> All potable. Residential.

4425
02:20:14,407 --> 02:20:15,750
>> Only for residential.

4426
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:16,844
>> Commercial customers. If

4427
02:20:16,844 --> 02:20:18,178
they go above 10,000 gallons.

4428
02:20:18,178 --> 02:20:20,914
>> They're on a different rate

4429
02:20:20,914 --> 02:20:24,118
structure. Yes. But it's it can

4430
02:20:24,118 --> 02:20:25,652
be similar. I don't have that.

4431
02:20:25,652 --> 02:20:28,388
I could get that if you want

4432
02:20:28,388 --> 02:20:29,790
more detail there. So what I

4433
02:20:29,790 --> 02:20:31,558
wanted to describe with this in

4434
02:20:31,558 --> 02:20:32,725
detail to show you, because on

4435
02:20:32,725 --> 02:20:34,628
the next chart, I don't want

4436
02:20:34,628 --> 02:20:37,970
you to have to dive into all

4437
02:20:37,970 --> 02:20:38,832
this detail, but there are

4438
02:20:38,832 --> 02:20:40,634
multiple types of households in

4439
02:20:40,634 --> 02:20:41,835
Pinellas County utilities

4440
02:20:41,835 --> 02:20:43,637
customer base. So I just showed

4441
02:20:43,637 --> 02:20:45,472
you the example of a single

4442
02:20:45,472 --> 02:20:46,473
person who irrigates and

4443
02:20:46,473 --> 02:20:48,410
doesn't irrigate their lawn,

4444
02:20:48,410 --> 02:20:49,750
but you might imagine a two

4445
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:51,475
person household, a three

4446
02:20:51,512 --> 02:20:53,912
person household, some six

4447
02:20:53,947 --> 02:20:56,183
seven person households. And

4448
02:20:56,183 --> 02:20:57,851
what it cuts down to is that on

4449
02:20:57,851 --> 02:20:59,219
the last column here, as you

4450
02:20:59,219 --> 02:21:00,253
have more people in your

4451
02:21:00,253 --> 02:21:02,255
household, whether you irrigate

4452
02:21:02,255 --> 02:21:04,240
or not, doesn't really impact

4453
02:21:04,240 --> 02:21:05,793
your sewer bill because just

4454
02:21:05,793 --> 02:21:07,628
your normal water usage tubs,

4455
02:21:07,628 --> 02:21:09,628
showers, dishwashers, clothes

4456
02:21:10,129 --> 02:21:12,199
dryers, those type of things

4457
02:21:12,199 --> 02:21:14,468
uses pass the cap of the sewer

4458
02:21:14,468 --> 02:21:17,400
bill. But if you are a lower

4459
02:21:17,400 --> 02:21:18,739
person household who also

4460
02:21:18,739 --> 02:21:20,607
irrigates, you are absolutely

4461
02:21:20,607 --> 02:21:24,177
impacted by the way the current

4462
02:21:24,177 --> 02:21:25,979
rate structure exists. So I

4463
02:21:25,979 --> 02:21:27,130
just highlighted the single

4464
02:21:27,130 --> 02:21:29,413
person and two person

4465
02:21:29,616 --> 02:21:32,552
households. If you're a single

4466
02:21:32,552 --> 02:21:34,955
person who irrigates to the

4467
02:21:34,955 --> 02:21:36,757
minimum recommended level, it's

4468
02:21:36,757 --> 02:21:38,592
about a $60 a month impact on

4469
02:21:38,592 --> 02:21:40,227
your sewer bill. So the

4470
02:21:40,227 --> 02:21:41,727
question that was brought to me

4471
02:21:41,727 --> 02:21:45,927
was, you know, can we should we

4472
02:21:46,199 --> 02:21:47,700
do something to help? Possibly.

4473
02:21:47,700 --> 02:21:49,402
There's definitely an impact to

4474
02:21:49,402 --> 02:21:51,571
a certain segment of our

4475
02:21:51,571 --> 02:21:53,772
population. One of the

4476
02:21:53,772 --> 02:21:55,175
difficulties that arises here,

4477
02:21:55,175 --> 02:21:56,420
I don't know how many single

4478
02:21:56,420 --> 02:21:58,779
person households we have in

4479
02:21:58,779 --> 02:22:00,280
our customer base. I have meter

4480
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:02,715
data, so I don't go and poll

4481
02:22:02,715 --> 02:22:04,517
and and ask people, you know,

4482
02:22:04,517 --> 02:22:06,385
you have people getting married,

4483
02:22:06,385 --> 02:22:08,454
divorced kids moving in and out.

4484
02:22:08,454 --> 02:22:10,222
It's too dynamic to really

4485
02:22:10,222 --> 02:22:11,824
understand how many people

4486
02:22:11,824 --> 02:22:13,426
actually live and use water in

4487
02:22:13,426 --> 02:22:15,610
a specific house on a specific

4488
02:22:15,610 --> 02:22:16,463
day or year or month.

4489
02:22:16,463 --> 02:22:16,796
>> But we have we have meter

4490
02:22:16,796 --> 02:22:18,431
readings.

4491
02:22:18,431 --> 02:22:19,699
>> All I have is water usage

4492
02:22:19,699 --> 02:22:21,680
data.

4493
02:22:21,680 --> 02:22:24,360
>> But that could also be maybe

4494
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:25,138
somebody filling up their pool.

4495
02:22:25,138 --> 02:22:26,106
>> So under the current

4496
02:22:26,106 --> 02:22:27,307
historical methods, you're

4497
02:22:27,307 --> 02:22:30,777
correct. There's no way for me

4498
02:22:30,777 --> 02:22:33,345
to distinguish a someone who

4499
02:22:33,345 --> 02:22:35,882
washes a lot of cars or fills

4500
02:22:35,882 --> 02:22:37,717
up their pool, or has one time

4501
02:22:37,717 --> 02:22:39,152
water, you know, they hired a

4502
02:22:39,152 --> 02:22:40,419
bouncy house with a water slide

4503
02:22:40,419 --> 02:22:42,222
like I did for my daughter's

4504
02:22:42,222 --> 02:22:46,422
birthday. We use a lot of water

4505
02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:50,360
that day. Wasn't made for

4506
02:22:51,698 --> 02:22:53,866
adults. That's lesson learned.

4507
02:22:53,866 --> 02:22:54,968
So I wanted to just to present

4508
02:22:54,968 --> 02:22:57,968
because when this question was

4509
02:22:58,537 --> 02:22:59,673
brought to me, I tried to

4510
02:22:59,673 --> 02:23:02,673
explain how our current rate

4511
02:23:03,209 --> 02:23:05,345
structures are built. And aside

4512
02:23:05,345 --> 02:23:06,345
from providing a potable

4513
02:23:06,345 --> 02:23:07,614
irrigation meter, were there

4514
02:23:07,614 --> 02:23:08,681
other methods that might

4515
02:23:08,681 --> 02:23:10,583
accomplish the same goal? And I

4516
02:23:10,583 --> 02:23:11,784
tried to talk through that from

4517
02:23:11,784 --> 02:23:13,652
the podium, and I know that it

4518
02:23:13,652 --> 02:23:14,887
it was very confusing. It was

4519
02:23:14,887 --> 02:23:16,523
hard just to talk the numbers

4520
02:23:16,523 --> 02:23:18,923
and abstract. So historically,

4521
02:23:20,593 --> 02:23:22,695
how our rates are built, we cap

4522
02:23:22,695 --> 02:23:24,463
the sewer charges at ten 000

4523
02:23:24,463 --> 02:23:25,965
gallons of potable water use.

4524
02:23:25,965 --> 02:23:27,800
We have a base rate and we have

4525
02:23:27,800 --> 02:23:29,802
a per thousand gallons rate. So

4526
02:23:29,802 --> 02:23:30,836
if the intent for those

4527
02:23:30,836 --> 02:23:33,236
customers that were greatly

4528
02:23:33,873 --> 02:23:36,873
affected by irrigating on their

4529
02:23:37,430 --> 02:23:38,211
sewer bill, option one would be

4530
02:23:38,211 --> 02:23:40,646
using a historical method where

4531
02:23:40,646 --> 02:23:41,748
we just change the limits, we

4532
02:23:41,748 --> 02:23:45,317
changed the base rates and you

4533
02:23:45,317 --> 02:23:48,917
change the burden of the sewer

4534
02:23:48,988 --> 02:23:50,757
cost, right? The overall sewer

4535
02:23:50,757 --> 02:23:52,157
revenues generated by just

4536
02:23:52,157 --> 02:23:53,359
manipulating those three

4537
02:23:53,359 --> 02:23:56,950
numbers. It doesn't require a

4538
02:23:56,950 --> 02:23:58,665
lot of analysis. It doesn't

4539
02:23:58,665 --> 02:24:00,466
require any contextual to who's

4540
02:24:00,466 --> 02:24:01,901
living what households. It's

4541
02:24:01,901 --> 02:24:04,360
basically shifts the burden

4542
02:24:04,360 --> 02:24:05,204
more evenly. So if you are an

4543
02:24:05,204 --> 02:24:07,673
irrigator as a single person,

4544
02:24:07,673 --> 02:24:09,842
your bill might go down ten

4545
02:24:09,842 --> 02:24:10,709
bucks, seven bucks just by

4546
02:24:10,709 --> 02:24:12,444
changing these limits. There's

4547
02:24:12,444 --> 02:24:13,545
nothing magic to the numbers I

4548
02:24:13,545 --> 02:24:15,447
showed in red there. I just

4549
02:24:15,447 --> 02:24:16,682
picked some numbers out of the

4550
02:24:16,682 --> 02:24:20,282
blue that were net neutral from

4551
02:24:20,286 --> 02:24:21,320
a revenue basis. So we can do a

4552
02:24:21,320 --> 02:24:23,855
manipulation of the costs and

4553
02:24:23,855 --> 02:24:25,992
fees like this, keep the

4554
02:24:25,992 --> 02:24:27,627
revenue the same, right. So my

4555
02:24:27,627 --> 02:24:28,661
costs in this model have not

4556
02:24:28,661 --> 02:24:29,895
changed. It's still cost the

4557
02:24:29,895 --> 02:24:31,730
same amount of money to process

4558
02:24:31,730 --> 02:24:32,865
sewer. It's just how that money

4559
02:24:32,865 --> 02:24:35,134
is being charged and collected

4560
02:24:35,134 --> 02:24:37,503
from the customer base. So this

4561
02:24:37,503 --> 02:24:39,720
would be a historical method. I

4562
02:24:39,720 --> 02:24:40,573
just wanted to show this, that

4563
02:24:40,573 --> 02:24:42,708
that's what I was trying to

4564
02:24:42,708 --> 02:24:44,177
explain. Commissioner Eggers

4565
02:24:44,177 --> 02:24:45,278
was asking me questions and I

4566
02:24:45,278 --> 02:24:46,479
was trying to describe back,

4567
02:24:46,479 --> 02:24:48,347
well, what if we just changed

4568
02:24:48,347 --> 02:24:49,382
the limit and shrink it from

4569
02:24:49,382 --> 02:24:51,283
10,000 to 6000? It would have

4570
02:24:51,283 --> 02:24:53,319
an impact or raise the base

4571
02:24:53,319 --> 02:24:55,488
rates. So this is an option

4572
02:24:55,488 --> 02:24:57,323
that would provide some relief

4573
02:24:57,323 --> 02:24:59,559
to irrigators using potable

4574
02:24:59,559 --> 02:25:01,360
water. But I would also just

4575
02:25:01,360 --> 02:25:03,462
point out that you do see that

4576
02:25:03,462 --> 02:25:05,631
say if I'm not an irrigator,

4577
02:25:05,631 --> 02:25:07,365
then my sewer costs went up.

4578
02:25:07,365 --> 02:25:09,935
And maybe that's fair because

4579
02:25:09,935 --> 02:25:11,304
right now the irrigators are

4580
02:25:11,304 --> 02:25:12,872
taking a portion of the cost of

4581
02:25:12,872 --> 02:25:13,905
running the sewer because

4582
02:25:13,905 --> 02:25:14,974
they're paying for the

4583
02:25:14,974 --> 02:25:17,109
irrigation water to run the

4584
02:25:17,109 --> 02:25:18,544
sewer system, which we just

4585
02:25:18,544 --> 02:25:20,746
admitted. The irrigation water

4586
02:25:20,746 --> 02:25:22,515
doesn't go into the sewer.

4587
02:25:22,515 --> 02:25:24,617
>> I'm sorry. Yes. Excuse me,

4588
02:25:24,617 --> 02:25:27,286
chair, how do you determine the

4589
02:25:27,286 --> 02:25:27,553
number of persons in the

4590
02:25:27,553 --> 02:25:28,287
household?

4591
02:25:28,287 --> 02:25:30,287
>> I don't.

4592
02:25:30,456 --> 02:25:31,390
>> Okay, you can fill it out on

4593
02:25:31,390 --> 02:25:33,250
a form or.

4594
02:25:33,250 --> 02:25:34,360
>> No. Okay. And as you might

4595
02:25:34,360 --> 02:25:35,828
expect, that's so dynamic that

4596
02:25:35,828 --> 02:25:38,828
even capturing that data when

4597
02:25:39,980 --> 02:25:40,232
an account is made would be

4598
02:25:40,232 --> 02:25:41,499
irrelevant. A month later.

4599
02:25:41,499 --> 02:25:43,335
>> I didn't I thought that you

4600
02:25:43,335 --> 02:25:45,838
were going to use those numbers

4601
02:25:45,838 --> 02:25:48,807
to determine their sewer fee.

4602
02:25:48,807 --> 02:25:51,430
>> Not in the current model.

4603
02:25:51,430 --> 02:25:52,277
Right. But it's a good I'm

4604
02:25:52,277 --> 02:25:55,877
going to I'm going to address

4605
02:25:56,215 --> 02:25:57,482
that. So option or sorry,

4606
02:25:57,482 --> 02:25:58,751
before I get into option two.

4607
02:25:58,751 --> 02:26:01,620
So some of the problems we have

4608
02:26:01,620 --> 02:26:02,888
with this. First off, the

4609
02:26:02,888 --> 02:26:04,823
assumption that 83 gallons a

4610
02:26:04,823 --> 02:26:06,592
day per person. That's our

4611
02:26:06,592 --> 02:26:08,828
historical average. So we just

4612
02:26:08,828 --> 02:26:11,730
take the population of from

4613
02:26:11,730 --> 02:26:12,765
census data divided by the

4614
02:26:12,765 --> 02:26:14,499
number of total gallons used

4615
02:26:14,499 --> 02:26:16,435
and say you got a million

4616
02:26:16,435 --> 02:26:18,370
people as customers and you use,

4617
02:26:18,370 --> 02:26:20,338
you know, 83 million gallons,

4618
02:26:20,338 --> 02:26:21,440
you got 83 gallons per person,

4619
02:26:21,440 --> 02:26:23,542
right? So that's how that

4620
02:26:23,542 --> 02:26:25,942
number is developed at 83

4621
02:26:26,445 --> 02:26:27,913
gallons per day. That is not a

4622
02:26:27,913 --> 02:26:30,415
real usage data. And it

4623
02:26:30,415 --> 02:26:31,817
actually bakes in irrigation

4624
02:26:31,817 --> 02:26:33,652
water is baked in the 83

4625
02:26:33,652 --> 02:26:35,254
gallons per day because it's a

4626
02:26:35,254 --> 02:26:36,554
total system wide usage divided

4627
02:26:36,554 --> 02:26:38,457
by a total census data of

4628
02:26:38,457 --> 02:26:40,259
number of population of people.

4629
02:26:40,259 --> 02:26:43,280
>> So it's potable. Oh, you're

4630
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:44,263
talking about using potable on

4631
02:26:44,263 --> 02:26:46,663
irrigation because there's a

4632
02:26:46,698 --> 02:26:48,801
whole lot of people using

4633
02:26:48,801 --> 02:26:50,801
reclaimed.

4634
02:26:50,836 --> 02:26:53,836
>> 17000 ish. So out of the

4635
02:26:53,839 --> 02:26:56,239
100,000 customers, it's a small

4636
02:26:56,341 --> 02:26:58,143
percentage, 17%.

4637
02:26:58,143 --> 02:27:00,143
>> Yeah.

4638
02:27:00,245 --> 02:27:01,747
>> So bottom line, 83 gallons a

4639
02:27:01,747 --> 02:27:03,882
day is really a rule of thumb,

4640
02:27:03,882 --> 02:27:06,618
but it's the best data. We we

4641
02:27:06,618 --> 02:27:07,653
have to produce some estimates.

4642
02:27:07,653 --> 02:27:11,253
So that's how our rates have

4643
02:27:13,224 --> 02:27:15,224
been based historically.

4644
02:27:15,694 --> 02:27:16,795
Another question. So kind of

4645
02:27:16,795 --> 02:27:18,263
the last bullet there. If we

4646
02:27:18,263 --> 02:27:20,263
have 100,000 water customers

4647
02:27:21,900 --> 02:27:22,801
ballpark, we could do an

4648
02:27:22,801 --> 02:27:24,801
individualized analysis of

4649
02:27:25,237 --> 02:27:26,938
every single account. But doing

4650
02:27:26,938 --> 02:27:29,107
that through our historical

4651
02:27:29,107 --> 02:27:30,575
methods is tremendously

4652
02:27:30,575 --> 02:27:32,444
difficult. Even if you did 100

4653
02:27:32,444 --> 02:27:34,913
accounts a day, it would take a

4654
02:27:34,913 --> 02:27:36,681
single person a thousand days

4655
02:27:36,681 --> 02:27:38,283
to evaluate every customer. So

4656
02:27:38,283 --> 02:27:40,552
over three years working around

4657
02:27:40,552 --> 02:27:41,820
the clock, and by the time you

4658
02:27:41,820 --> 02:27:42,954
got done with the whole thing,

4659
02:27:42,954 --> 02:27:44,723
you'd be outdated by someone

4660
02:27:44,723 --> 02:27:45,757
who moved in and moved out. So

4661
02:27:45,757 --> 02:27:46,824
an individual analysis of

4662
02:27:46,824 --> 02:27:47,792
everything of every account

4663
02:27:47,792 --> 02:27:49,792
isn't feasible through

4664
02:27:49,828 --> 02:27:52,970
historical methods. But there

4665
02:27:52,970 --> 02:27:55,399
is some good news. We now have

4666
02:27:55,399 --> 02:27:56,868
army Army digital data, and

4667
02:27:56,868 --> 02:27:58,269
we've recently purchased some

4668
02:27:58,269 --> 02:28:00,710
machine learning and ai tools

4669
02:28:00,710 --> 02:28:03,408
that can process that amount of

4670
02:28:03,408 --> 02:28:05,377
data. We're building it now, so

4671
02:28:05,377 --> 02:28:06,478
I wasn't I tried to get it

4672
02:28:06,478 --> 02:28:08,412
ready for this meeting. I don't

4673
02:28:08,412 --> 02:28:09,514
have it ready to show you the

4674
02:28:09,514 --> 02:28:11,349
machine learning model that can

4675
02:28:11,349 --> 02:28:12,584
do this. Within a couple of

4676
02:28:12,584 --> 02:28:14,352
months, we'll have an ai model

4677
02:28:14,352 --> 02:28:15,487
that we'll be able to segregate,

4678
02:28:15,487 --> 02:28:17,355
how many people live and how

4679
02:28:17,355 --> 02:28:20,355
many house just by their 15

4680
02:28:20,358 --> 02:28:22,260
minute user data. Just most

4681
02:28:22,260 --> 02:28:23,495
people aren't up at 4 A.M. So I

4682
02:28:23,495 --> 02:28:24,496
know when there's water going,

4683
02:28:24,496 --> 02:28:26,364
it's probably a sprinkler and

4684
02:28:26,364 --> 02:28:28,800
the machine can figure all that

4685
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:29,668
out. That kind of answers your

4686
02:28:29,668 --> 02:28:32,137
question. We're working to get

4687
02:28:32,137 --> 02:28:35,737
a better estimate on who lives

4688
02:28:36,140 --> 02:28:38,543
and what type of house. So the

4689
02:28:38,543 --> 02:28:41,445
second option, aside from just

4690
02:28:41,445 --> 02:28:43,248
doing rate manipulation, is

4691
02:28:43,248 --> 02:28:45,648
providing a separate irrigation

4692
02:28:47,185 --> 02:28:48,653
meter that itemizes and

4693
02:28:48,653 --> 02:28:50,455
separates out what water is

4694
02:28:50,455 --> 02:28:51,923
going down the sewage, which

4695
02:28:51,923 --> 02:28:53,424
should be applicable to sewer

4696
02:28:53,424 --> 02:28:56,194
fees, and what water is going

4697
02:28:56,194 --> 02:28:58,395
on a lawn. All right, so we

4698
02:28:58,395 --> 02:28:59,797
just got some generalized costs

4699
02:28:59,797 --> 02:29:01,733
of what it would cost us to

4700
02:29:01,733 --> 02:29:03,835
install a meter. We've talked

4701
02:29:03,835 --> 02:29:04,936
to several of our partner

4702
02:29:04,936 --> 02:29:06,400
agencies, the City of Dunedin

4703
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:07,771
and City of Saint Pete,

4704
02:29:07,771 --> 02:29:09,908
Hillsborough County and others,

4705
02:29:09,908 --> 02:29:11,376
Pasco County, and talked about

4706
02:29:11,376 --> 02:29:12,409
how they've implemented similar

4707
02:29:12,409 --> 02:29:15,113
programs because they do have

4708
02:29:15,113 --> 02:29:17,513
these programs. And essentially

4709
02:29:17,515 --> 02:29:18,583
it comes down to about a $3,000

4710
02:29:18,583 --> 02:29:20,351
install cost. We have to

4711
02:29:20,351 --> 02:29:23,221
purchase the meter so we don't

4712
02:29:23,221 --> 02:29:24,589
have an extra 20,000m sitting

4713
02:29:24,589 --> 02:29:25,723
around. So we have to purchase

4714
02:29:25,723 --> 02:29:27,859
the material. We'd have to have

4715
02:29:27,859 --> 02:29:29,727
the manpower to go install it.

4716
02:29:29,727 --> 02:29:31,195
You have to go and tap the

4717
02:29:31,195 --> 02:29:34,650
pipes. You have to connect the

4718
02:29:34,650 --> 02:29:35,100
meter to a water pipe. And

4719
02:29:35,100 --> 02:29:36,234
those aren't conveniently just

4720
02:29:36,234 --> 02:29:37,334
in the yard. Sometimes they're

4721
02:29:37,334 --> 02:29:38,570
under sidewalks, they're under

4722
02:29:38,570 --> 02:29:39,803
trees, they're under roads.

4723
02:29:39,803 --> 02:29:41,638
They have to get around

4724
02:29:41,638 --> 02:29:42,607
manholes. So there's a one time

4725
02:29:42,607 --> 02:29:43,874
installation cost. And whether

4726
02:29:43,874 --> 02:29:45,710
or not we would absorb that as

4727
02:29:45,710 --> 02:29:46,844
a utility and just pass it

4728
02:29:46,844 --> 02:29:47,945
through all the rates, or the

4729
02:29:47,945 --> 02:29:49,646
individual requester would pay

4730
02:29:49,646 --> 02:29:51,749
that for themselves. But at a

4731
02:29:51,749 --> 02:29:52,851
$3,000 cost, if you had a

4732
02:29:52,851 --> 02:29:54,952
$40,000 a month saving, it

4733
02:29:54,952 --> 02:29:57,789
would be a six year payback per

4734
02:29:57,789 --> 02:29:58,955
meter installed in the system.

4735
02:29:58,955 --> 02:30:00,792
The other cost that you might

4736
02:30:00,792 --> 02:30:02,125
want to think about is what

4737
02:30:02,125 --> 02:30:04,462
would it cost us to bill

4738
02:30:04,462 --> 02:30:06,497
separately, an irrigation meter

4739
02:30:06,497 --> 02:30:07,365
and a potable meter on the same

4740
02:30:07,365 --> 02:30:08,566
account. And it's really

4741
02:30:08,566 --> 02:30:10,501
nominal. So a dollar per bill.

4742
02:30:10,501 --> 02:30:12,603
So that we did look at that to

4743
02:30:12,603 --> 02:30:14,339
see what that would mean for us.

4744
02:30:14,339 --> 02:30:15,473
And the hard copy is a little

4745
02:30:15,473 --> 02:30:18,473
higher because you have stamps

4746
02:30:22,246 --> 02:30:25,846
and postage and all that stuff.

4747
02:30:26,184 --> 02:30:27,718
Part of the difficulties here,

4748
02:30:27,718 --> 02:30:29,120
the cost of running the sewer

4749
02:30:29,120 --> 02:30:30,587
system does not decrease just

4750
02:30:30,587 --> 02:30:32,890
because you put a potable

4751
02:30:32,890 --> 02:30:34,258
irrigation meter in the field.

4752
02:30:34,258 --> 02:30:35,525
The sewer system gets the same

4753
02:30:35,525 --> 02:30:37,461
amount of water it always did.

4754
02:30:37,461 --> 02:30:38,529
We still have to treat the same

4755
02:30:38,529 --> 02:30:41,529
amount of water, turn into

4756
02:30:41,698 --> 02:30:42,834
reclaim and distribute it. So

4757
02:30:42,834 --> 02:30:43,968
because I don't know the

4758
02:30:43,968 --> 02:30:46,370
population of people that would

4759
02:30:46,370 --> 02:30:48,205
be affected, how many people

4760
02:30:48,205 --> 02:30:50,774
would want an irrigation meter?

4761
02:30:50,774 --> 02:30:52,543
Is it one person, 10,000 people?

4762
02:30:52,543 --> 02:30:54,345
20,000 people, I don't know.

4763
02:30:54,345 --> 02:30:57,345
But if there were 10,000 people,

4764
02:30:57,914 --> 02:30:59,817
which is about a 10th of my

4765
02:30:59,817 --> 02:31:01,485
customer base, which that might

4766
02:31:01,485 --> 02:31:02,520
be a reasonable assumption that

4767
02:31:02,520 --> 02:31:04,920
this program would benefit

4768
02:31:05,890 --> 02:31:06,457
about a 10th of the people, a

4769
02:31:06,457 --> 02:31:08,392
40% savings or reduction in

4770
02:31:08,392 --> 02:31:11,628
their water bill would mean for

4771
02:31:11,628 --> 02:31:13,430
me, almost $5 million loss of

4772
02:31:13,430 --> 02:31:14,865
revenue on the sewer system. So

4773
02:31:14,865 --> 02:31:17,680
the sewer system has the same

4774
02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:18,269
amount of costs, and I took $5

4775
02:31:18,269 --> 02:31:20,304
million out of the money coming

4776
02:31:20,304 --> 02:31:22,406
in because it's going off on

4777
02:31:22,406 --> 02:31:23,707
the irrigation lawns. So that

4778
02:31:23,707 --> 02:31:25,275
revenue would have to be made

4779
02:31:25,275 --> 02:31:27,780
up back through other rate

4780
02:31:27,780 --> 02:31:29,478
structure, right. We increase

4781
02:31:31,140 --> 02:31:32,916
our non irrigated water potable

4782
02:31:32,916 --> 02:31:34,618
bill would go up. The base rate

4783
02:31:34,618 --> 02:31:36,420
on the sewer would go up.

4784
02:31:36,420 --> 02:31:39,420
Something would have to recover

4785
02:31:41,525 --> 02:31:42,893
that extra $5 million. So just

4786
02:31:42,893 --> 02:31:44,995
kind of highlighting those

4787
02:31:44,995 --> 02:31:47,231
points. Also, I think the

4788
02:31:47,231 --> 02:31:48,832
second bullet there, if we are

4789
02:31:48,832 --> 02:31:51,201
going to pursue borrowing in

4790
02:31:51,201 --> 02:31:52,970
the future, I would have to

4791
02:31:52,970 --> 02:31:55,539
understand that gap in revenues

4792
02:31:55,539 --> 02:31:56,172
before going before lending

4793
02:31:56,172 --> 02:31:58,420
institutions and saying, hey,

4794
02:31:58,420 --> 02:32:01,420
well, I got this $5 million

4795
02:32:01,344 --> 02:32:02,345
shortfall. So it's not a

4796
02:32:02,345 --> 02:32:03,380
impossible or implausible. It's

4797
02:32:03,380 --> 02:32:04,482
just we would need to

4798
02:32:04,482 --> 02:32:05,983
understand it before we go and

4799
02:32:05,983 --> 02:32:07,351
start talking to financial

4800
02:32:07,351 --> 02:32:08,452
institutions that we know what

4801
02:32:08,452 --> 02:32:09,520
our revenues are. There's some

4802
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:10,321
certainty around our input and

4803
02:32:10,321 --> 02:32:11,622
output of.

4804
02:32:11,622 --> 02:32:13,591
>> Jeremy. So some of the

4805
02:32:13,591 --> 02:32:14,992
smaller users, the lower users,

4806
02:32:14,992 --> 02:32:17,396
are the ones being more

4807
02:32:17,396 --> 02:32:19,796
affected today. The larger

4808
02:32:20,397 --> 02:32:22,532
users have that cap on sewage

4809
02:32:22,532 --> 02:32:22,865
at ten 000. Was it 10,000

4810
02:32:22,865 --> 02:32:23,167
gallons?

4811
02:32:23,167 --> 02:32:25,167
>> Correct.

4812
02:32:26,103 --> 02:32:29,703
>> Today. So so when they use

4813
02:32:30,440 --> 02:32:32,440
more they're using 15 20,000

4814
02:32:32,876 --> 02:32:35,876
gallons per month of sewer

4815
02:32:37,580 --> 02:32:40,580
charge. The other folks are

4816
02:32:40,884 --> 02:32:42,953
kind of in the system paying

4817
02:32:42,953 --> 02:32:44,788
for that. I mean, they're

4818
02:32:44,788 --> 02:32:47,724
they're those, those folks are

4819
02:32:47,724 --> 02:32:49,559
getting a break on a cost. And

4820
02:32:49,559 --> 02:32:51,328
I'm not I'm not suggesting that

4821
02:32:51,328 --> 02:32:52,829
we go raise our rates or

4822
02:32:52,829 --> 02:32:54,798
anything. I'm just saying there

4823
02:32:54,798 --> 02:32:55,965
is a, there is kind of a, we're

4824
02:32:55,965 --> 02:32:57,834
trying to balance all of this

4825
02:32:57,834 --> 02:32:59,536
out, right? So some folks that

4826
02:32:59,536 --> 02:33:01,400
are the higher users are

4827
02:33:01,400 --> 02:33:03,507
getting a bigger break, so to

4828
02:33:03,507 --> 02:33:06,509
speak, on the system than the

4829
02:33:06,509 --> 02:33:07,811
lower users on the system. And,

4830
02:33:07,811 --> 02:33:09,479
and I think that's the part

4831
02:33:09,479 --> 02:33:11,515
that we need to try to.

4832
02:33:11,515 --> 02:33:12,615
>> They're getting a break on.

4833
02:33:12,615 --> 02:33:13,583
>> Well, they're not they're

4834
02:33:13,583 --> 02:33:14,751
not getting charged for the

4835
02:33:14,751 --> 02:33:16,620
gallons that are going down

4836
02:33:16,620 --> 02:33:17,688
being used in the sewer system.

4837
02:33:17,688 --> 02:33:19,489
>> They're getting charged for

4838
02:33:19,489 --> 02:33:20,624
the water, so they still get

4839
02:33:20,624 --> 02:33:21,724
charged for the water. What I'm

4840
02:33:21,724 --> 02:33:23,560
talking sewer, just the sewer

4841
02:33:23,560 --> 02:33:25,462
rates, right. And if it's going

4842
02:33:25,462 --> 02:33:26,530
on the lawn and it's not going

4843
02:33:26,530 --> 02:33:28,650
through the sewer anyway. So

4844
02:33:28,650 --> 02:33:31,301
the question is how do you

4845
02:33:31,301 --> 02:33:32,803
distinguish between how much is

4846
02:33:32,803 --> 02:33:35,238
how much water that is going on?

4847
02:33:35,238 --> 02:33:36,807
The lawn should be captured as

4848
02:33:36,807 --> 02:33:38,207
part of a sewage rate, because

4849
02:33:38,207 --> 02:33:40,900
I don't know if it's going into

4850
02:33:40,900 --> 02:33:41,178
sewer or going on the lawn when

4851
02:33:41,178 --> 02:33:43,800
it comes through your water

4852
02:33:43,800 --> 02:33:44,181
meter. All I know is you took

4853
02:33:44,181 --> 02:33:46,150
the water, right? Right. And

4854
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:47,851
where does it go from there? I

4855
02:33:47,851 --> 02:33:49,853
don't know, they go in your

4856
02:33:49,853 --> 02:33:51,540
pool. Did it go in your car? I

4857
02:33:51,540 --> 02:33:52,955
don't know. And so that 10,000

4858
02:33:52,955 --> 02:33:56,460
gallon cap that we put is an

4859
02:33:56,460 --> 02:33:59,460
attempt to capture the the

4860
02:34:01,980 --> 02:34:02,632
distribution of a single person

4861
02:34:02,632 --> 02:34:04,670
household and a four person

4862
02:34:04,670 --> 02:34:05,535
household. So the four person

4863
02:34:05,535 --> 02:34:07,935
household who irrigates their

4864
02:34:08,405 --> 02:34:10,674
lawn does not pay a dime of

4865
02:34:10,674 --> 02:34:13,109
water, a dime of money towards

4866
02:34:13,109 --> 02:34:15,144
the sewer fund for the

4867
02:34:15,144 --> 02:34:17,544
irrigation. The single person

4868
02:34:18,470 --> 02:34:20,250
who waters their lawn is paying

4869
02:34:20,250 --> 02:34:21,718
money for the sewer system, for

4870
02:34:21,718 --> 02:34:25,918
water that does not go into the

4871
02:34:26,355 --> 02:34:29,192
sewer. So the 10,000 gallon cap.

4872
02:34:29,192 --> 02:34:30,493
Limits that. And so this is

4873
02:34:30,493 --> 02:34:32,529
what the option one question is,

4874
02:34:32,529 --> 02:34:34,331
should we just lower the cap or

4875
02:34:34,331 --> 02:34:37,534
raise the cap or do something

4876
02:34:37,534 --> 02:34:41,370
with how the rate structure was

4877
02:34:41,370 --> 02:34:41,471
built? Does that answer your

4878
02:34:41,471 --> 02:34:43,471
question? I can.

4879
02:34:43,907 --> 02:34:47,430
>> No, no. I'm trying to make

4880
02:34:47,430 --> 02:34:48,978
sure that that that everybody

4881
02:34:48,978 --> 02:34:50,847
is being charged a fair amount.

4882
02:34:50,847 --> 02:34:52,615
And when the system is you keep

4883
02:34:52,615 --> 02:34:55,485
saying the system, if you

4884
02:34:55,485 --> 02:34:57,387
reduce it somewhere, it

4885
02:34:57,387 --> 02:34:59,155
reducing the overall system and

4886
02:34:59,155 --> 02:35:01,291
somehow you got to make it up.

4887
02:35:01,291 --> 02:35:02,725
>> Yeah. Just the cost, the

4888
02:35:02,725 --> 02:35:04,127
operational costs are not

4889
02:35:04,127 --> 02:35:05,895
affected at all by any of this

4890
02:35:05,895 --> 02:35:08,431
model. The, the cost it takes

4891
02:35:08,431 --> 02:35:10,333
to operate the sewer system is

4892
02:35:10,333 --> 02:35:11,100
known and it is unaffected by

4893
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:12,868
how we build.

4894
02:35:12,868 --> 02:35:13,503
>> The variable portion is

4895
02:35:13,503 --> 02:35:15,503
different, right?

4896
02:35:16,806 --> 02:35:17,840
>> Right. And so then the last

4897
02:35:17,840 --> 02:35:20,240
complication here with the

4898
02:35:23,279 --> 02:35:26,279
option two. Is we haven't

4899
02:35:26,816 --> 02:35:28,684
really accounted for. If I add

4900
02:35:28,684 --> 02:35:30,887
more meters in the ground, that

4901
02:35:30,887 --> 02:35:32,255
is more infrastructure that is

4902
02:35:32,255 --> 02:35:34,255
increasing the utility

4903
02:35:34,423 --> 02:35:36,192
footprint. And I just use the

4904
02:35:36,192 --> 02:35:37,593
same assumption with a 10,000

4905
02:35:37,593 --> 02:35:38,660
customers, right? Because if we

4906
02:35:38,660 --> 02:35:39,862
made it available to one

4907
02:35:39,862 --> 02:35:41,597
customer, we'd want to create a

4908
02:35:41,597 --> 02:35:43,733
program and make it available

4909
02:35:43,733 --> 02:35:45,868
to anyone that it could benefit.

4910
02:35:45,868 --> 02:35:48,710
That's about a ten 000 potable

4911
02:35:48,710 --> 02:35:49,906
meter increase to my

4912
02:35:49,906 --> 02:35:52,306
infrastructure, which is about

4913
02:35:52,342 --> 02:35:54,844
a 10% increase to my overall

4914
02:35:54,844 --> 02:35:57,460
meter footprint. So right now I

4915
02:35:57,460 --> 02:35:58,814
have six seven staff whose full

4916
02:35:58,814 --> 02:36:01,500
time job it is to go out

4917
02:36:01,500 --> 02:36:03,186
between the different divisions,

4918
02:36:03,186 --> 02:36:04,587
install the meters, change the

4919
02:36:04,587 --> 02:36:05,721
meters, turn the meters on and

4920
02:36:05,721 --> 02:36:07,624
off. Every time someone moves

4921
02:36:07,624 --> 02:36:08,758
out, they would want to turn on

4922
02:36:08,758 --> 02:36:09,892
and off their irrigation meter

4923
02:36:09,892 --> 02:36:11,694
and their potable meter. We do

4924
02:36:11,694 --> 02:36:14,694
about 50 of those a day

4925
02:36:14,697 --> 02:36:15,965
currently on a on a bad day. So

4926
02:36:15,965 --> 02:36:17,733
that's just staff whose job it

4927
02:36:17,733 --> 02:36:20,680
is will be to drive around the

4928
02:36:20,680 --> 02:36:22,405
company and manage 10% more

4929
02:36:22,405 --> 02:36:23,706
assets, including every time

4930
02:36:23,706 --> 02:36:25,641
there's an error, a billing

4931
02:36:25,641 --> 02:36:26,976
error, back end computer stuff

4932
02:36:26,976 --> 02:36:30,179
that we just deal with on a

4933
02:36:30,179 --> 02:36:31,247
daily basis. So other

4934
02:36:31,247 --> 02:36:33,247
jurisdictions and water

4935
02:36:34,483 --> 02:36:35,451
utilities have this program.

4936
02:36:35,451 --> 02:36:37,851
Anecdotally, when we talked

4937
02:36:39,888 --> 02:36:41,357
with them, there is mixed

4938
02:36:41,357 --> 02:36:43,158
participation. So most, not

4939
02:36:43,158 --> 02:36:45,327
most some customers are

4940
02:36:45,327 --> 02:36:46,562
deferred by the payback period.

4941
02:36:46,562 --> 02:36:48,531
Right. If I know I'm renting a

4942
02:36:48,531 --> 02:36:49,732
house for a year, I don't want

4943
02:36:49,732 --> 02:36:52,201
to buy something that's going

4944
02:36:52,201 --> 02:36:53,469
to take a six year payback. One

4945
02:36:53,469 --> 02:36:54,470
of the jurisdictions, I think

4946
02:36:54,470 --> 02:36:56,439
it was Hillsborough County,

4947
02:36:56,439 --> 02:36:57,339
maybe Saint Pete actually had a

4948
02:36:57,339 --> 02:36:58,974
calculator on their website

4949
02:36:58,974 --> 02:37:00,609
that said, hey, before you

4950
02:37:00,609 --> 02:37:01,877
decide to buy this, here's what

4951
02:37:01,877 --> 02:37:03,612
it will mean to you financially.

4952
02:37:03,612 --> 02:37:04,747
So if you're staying here for

4953
02:37:04,747 --> 02:37:06,615
more than six years in this

4954
02:37:06,615 --> 02:37:07,749
home, you should probably do it.

4955
02:37:07,749 --> 02:37:09,685
If you're not, you might not

4956
02:37:09,685 --> 02:37:10,853
want to do it, but in my

4957
02:37:10,853 --> 02:37:11,887
opinion, I would really want to

4958
02:37:11,887 --> 02:37:13,422
understand what this ongoing

4959
02:37:13,422 --> 02:37:15,422
operational increased footprint

4960
02:37:16,258 --> 02:37:17,559
would mean. Before I could

4961
02:37:17,559 --> 02:37:18,560
recommend that we should do

4962
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:19,662
this as a program.

4963
02:37:19,662 --> 02:37:21,297
>> And you're presuming that

4964
02:37:21,297 --> 02:37:22,364
we're paying for that meter

4965
02:37:22,364 --> 02:37:24,265
install?

4966
02:37:24,265 --> 02:37:25,935
>> I'm I my recommendation was

4967
02:37:25,935 --> 02:37:27,135
that the customer would pay for

4968
02:37:27,135 --> 02:37:28,103
that install, but that would be

4969
02:37:28,103 --> 02:37:29,204
a policy decision.

4970
02:37:29,204 --> 02:37:30,906
>> I understand, and the people

4971
02:37:30,906 --> 02:37:32,108
that I've talked to said

4972
02:37:32,108 --> 02:37:33,943
they're willing to pay. I'm not

4973
02:37:33,943 --> 02:37:34,910
talked to the thousand or the

4974
02:37:34,910 --> 02:37:36,212
number that you're talking

4975
02:37:36,212 --> 02:37:37,113
about, but not a representative

4976
02:37:37,113 --> 02:37:38,914
sample either. But the ones

4977
02:37:38,914 --> 02:37:40,490
that I've talked to said, oh

4978
02:37:40,490 --> 02:37:41,215
yeah, no, I'll pay for the

4979
02:37:41,215 --> 02:37:41,417
meter install and everything

4980
02:37:41,417 --> 02:37:43,510
else.

4981
02:37:43,510 --> 02:37:44,320
>> But, but I think part of

4982
02:37:44,320 --> 02:37:45,354
that is a misunderstanding. And

4983
02:37:45,354 --> 02:37:47,220
I've had those conversations

4984
02:37:47,220 --> 02:37:48,230
with customers as well. I think

4985
02:37:48,230 --> 02:37:49,257
that's a misunderstanding. And

4986
02:37:49,257 --> 02:37:50,993
the amount of savings that they

4987
02:37:50,993 --> 02:37:52,928
think they're going to get. If

4988
02:37:52,928 --> 02:37:54,462
I said it would take six years

4989
02:37:54,462 --> 02:37:56,265
to pay back that $3,000 cost,

4990
02:37:56,265 --> 02:37:57,132
is this truly worth it to you?

4991
02:37:57,132 --> 02:37:59,680
Someone who's going to be in

4992
02:37:59,680 --> 02:38:00,936
their house for 20 years MAY

4993
02:38:00,936 --> 02:38:02,400
say, heck yes. And other people

4994
02:38:02,400 --> 02:38:03,272
are like, well, no, it's not

4995
02:38:03,272 --> 02:38:04,373
really, because they think that

4996
02:38:04,373 --> 02:38:06,308
they're going to save hundreds

4997
02:38:06,308 --> 02:38:07,209
of dollars a month when I'm

4998
02:38:07,209 --> 02:38:08,510
telling you they're not going

4999
02:38:08,510 --> 02:38:10,510
to save six.

5000
02:38:10,512 --> 02:38:12,800
>> And that's fair. And so when

5001
02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:14,550
somebody comes in to inquire

5002
02:38:14,550 --> 02:38:16,384
about that meter, it's also

5003
02:38:16,384 --> 02:38:18,587
smart of them to look at that.

5004
02:38:18,587 --> 02:38:20,289
And we should have, you know, I

5005
02:38:20,289 --> 02:38:21,857
think of Mike Twitty and his he,

5006
02:38:21,857 --> 02:38:22,824
he creates a formula for

5007
02:38:22,824 --> 02:38:24,693
everything in his department.

5008
02:38:24,693 --> 02:38:25,761
So you can go on there and

5009
02:38:25,761 --> 02:38:26,862
figure, you know, and maybe

5010
02:38:26,862 --> 02:38:28,697
there's something we should put

5011
02:38:28,697 --> 02:38:30,232
on there that shows what that

5012
02:38:30,232 --> 02:38:32,200
savings really is and that it

5013
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:34,369
is a six year payback. And, you

5014
02:38:34,369 --> 02:38:36,638
know, and maybe there is a

5015
02:38:36,638 --> 02:38:37,839
rethinking from folks. I mean,

5016
02:38:37,839 --> 02:38:38,941
it just makes sense that we're

5017
02:38:38,941 --> 02:38:40,542
trying to accommodate our

5018
02:38:40,542 --> 02:38:41,576
customers. I mean, that's what

5019
02:38:41,576 --> 02:38:43,976
we're supposed to do.

5020
02:38:44,545 --> 02:38:46,648
>> So and in order to and I

5021
02:38:46,648 --> 02:38:47,849
alluded to this, if, if we

5022
02:38:47,849 --> 02:38:49,952
decided that this was the right

5023
02:38:49,952 --> 02:38:52,200
move for our customers, then it

5024
02:38:52,200 --> 02:38:53,554
would be the right move for all

5025
02:38:53,554 --> 02:38:55,230
of the customers in that same

5026
02:38:55,230 --> 02:38:56,124
category. And I would want to

5027
02:38:56,124 --> 02:38:58,250
go promote, hey, you didn't

5028
02:38:58,250 --> 02:39:00,610
know, but I could save you $40

5029
02:39:00,610 --> 02:39:01,960
a month or $60 a month if you

5030
02:39:01,960 --> 02:39:02,998
enrolled in this program. So I

5031
02:39:02,998 --> 02:39:05,660
don't want to we shouldn't do

5032
02:39:05,660 --> 02:39:07,169
it in my mind as a one off for

5033
02:39:07,169 --> 02:39:08,704
one or 2 or 10 people that just

5034
02:39:08,704 --> 02:39:09,438
want the savings. If there's

5035
02:39:09,438 --> 02:39:11,106
10,000 people, that could be

5036
02:39:11,106 --> 02:39:12,341
helped, we should go help them

5037
02:39:12,341 --> 02:39:14,108
whether or not they know they

5038
02:39:14,108 --> 02:39:15,243
want to be helped or not.

5039
02:39:15,243 --> 02:39:16,210
>> I'm sorry. Chair. Yes,

5040
02:39:16,210 --> 02:39:17,979
Commissioner? Is it possible

5041
02:39:17,979 --> 02:39:19,747
you could finance it for the

5042
02:39:19,747 --> 02:39:21,416
customers? So charge them a

5043
02:39:21,416 --> 02:39:22,618
little more every month. Charge

5044
02:39:22,618 --> 02:39:23,719
them for the payback on the

5045
02:39:23,719 --> 02:39:25,220
meters. So the.

5046
02:39:25,220 --> 02:39:27,620
>> Upfront cost would come

5047
02:39:28,156 --> 02:39:29,591
through the water revenues. So

5048
02:39:29,591 --> 02:39:30,958
the rate structure that

5049
02:39:30,958 --> 02:39:32,600
everyone pays would then be

5050
02:39:32,600 --> 02:39:33,262
finance it. Jeremy's not

5051
02:39:33,262 --> 02:39:34,695
financing them. The county's

5052
02:39:34,695 --> 02:39:35,997
not finding the other customers

5053
02:39:35,997 --> 02:39:38,990
would be paying for that

5054
02:39:38,990 --> 02:39:41,990
financial cost. Right. So I

5055
02:39:42,737 --> 02:39:43,871
would pay the $3,000, 100,000

5056
02:39:43,871 --> 02:39:45,674
customers would share the

5057
02:39:45,674 --> 02:39:46,410
burden in that $3,000 upfront

5058
02:39:46,410 --> 02:39:48,410
cost.

5059
02:39:48,877 --> 02:39:50,745
>> No, I mean, each individual

5060
02:39:50,745 --> 02:39:54,160
bill, if they if they get a new

5061
02:39:54,160 --> 02:39:55,650
if they get a meter at and it's

5062
02:39:55,650 --> 02:39:57,452
$6,000 cost and monthly, you

5063
02:39:57,452 --> 02:39:57,652
can have them pay back that

5064
02:39:57,652 --> 02:39:59,120
right.

5065
02:39:59,120 --> 02:40:00,389
>> But that's upfront. 6000

5066
02:40:00,389 --> 02:40:01,489
monthly cost has to come. So

5067
02:40:01,489 --> 02:40:02,657
that's not budgeted in. We

5068
02:40:02,657 --> 02:40:04,492
don't have revenues to cover

5069
02:40:04,492 --> 02:40:06,194
that today. So that would be an

5070
02:40:06,194 --> 02:40:07,462
extra $6,000 cost. The entire

5071
02:40:07,462 --> 02:40:09,163
customer base would share that

5072
02:40:09,163 --> 02:40:11,233
burden to finance that meter

5073
02:40:11,233 --> 02:40:12,501
over the next six years for

5074
02:40:12,501 --> 02:40:15,501
that specific customer that got

5075
02:40:15,570 --> 02:40:18,730
the upfront cost. If I gave you

5076
02:40:18,730 --> 02:40:20,730
$6,000 today, the entire

5077
02:40:20,708 --> 02:40:22,344
customer base would have to pay

5078
02:40:22,344 --> 02:40:23,511
their share of that because

5079
02:40:23,511 --> 02:40:25,313
that capital must come out of

5080
02:40:25,313 --> 02:40:27,820
my bank account to pay for the

5081
02:40:27,820 --> 02:40:28,549
meter, and it gets recovered

5082
02:40:28,549 --> 02:40:30,385
over one year, two years, ten

5083
02:40:30,385 --> 02:40:31,385
years, the entire customer,

5084
02:40:31,385 --> 02:40:33,889
everyone's rate would go up

5085
02:40:33,889 --> 02:40:35,389
just a little bit to cover that

5086
02:40:35,389 --> 02:40:36,658
$6,000 meter.

5087
02:40:36,658 --> 02:40:38,525
>> Okay. I'm not understanding

5088
02:40:38,525 --> 02:40:40,610
why it has to be that way, but

5089
02:40:40,610 --> 02:40:41,529
okay, I'll take it.

5090
02:40:41,529 --> 02:40:44,732
>> I mean, the revenues have to

5091
02:40:44,732 --> 02:40:46,101
come from somewhere, right? So.

5092
02:40:46,101 --> 02:40:48,970
Right. My revenues come from

5093
02:40:48,970 --> 02:40:50,471
water rates. So the only way to

5094
02:40:50,471 --> 02:40:52,307
pay for the capital expense is

5095
02:40:52,307 --> 02:40:54,900
to increase the rates on the

5096
02:40:54,900 --> 02:40:56,277
entire base, to cover the

5097
02:40:56,277 --> 02:40:59,277
program of upfront financing of

5098
02:41:00,215 --> 02:41:01,515
the meters.

5099
02:41:01,515 --> 02:41:03,251
>> I don't think you'd have a

5100
02:41:03,251 --> 02:41:04,319
whole lot of people taking

5101
02:41:04,319 --> 02:41:05,520
advantage of the program, but I

5102
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:06,421
think it's something that we

5103
02:41:06,421 --> 02:41:08,821
ought to look at.

5104
02:41:09,924 --> 02:41:11,325
>> So did did we get I mean,

5105
02:41:11,325 --> 02:41:12,894
Jeremy, you're trying to pitch

5106
02:41:12,894 --> 02:41:14,195
two options and you got a lot

5107
02:41:14,195 --> 02:41:15,797
of information here, and I'm

5108
02:41:15,797 --> 02:41:16,764
just wondering if he can

5109
02:41:16,764 --> 02:41:19,164
accomplish the same thing

5110
02:41:19,300 --> 02:41:22,300
through an adjustment to the

5111
02:41:22,470 --> 02:41:23,938
base rate. Correct. And I think

5112
02:41:23,938 --> 02:41:25,106
that's kind of getting lost in

5113
02:41:25,106 --> 02:41:26,240
this.

5114
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:29,240
>> Yeah. And that's what the

5115
02:41:29,376 --> 02:41:31,179
option I if the intent is to

5116
02:41:31,179 --> 02:41:33,414
help a specific customer with a

5117
02:41:33,414 --> 02:41:35,817
specific problem, then I would

5118
02:41:35,817 --> 02:41:38,217
not recommend a programmatic

5119
02:41:38,553 --> 02:41:40,555
solution that would, that I

5120
02:41:40,555 --> 02:41:41,989
would then promote to all,

5121
02:41:41,989 --> 02:41:43,989
possibly 10,000 other people

5122
02:41:45,893 --> 02:41:48,762
that this could help if the the

5123
02:41:48,762 --> 02:41:51,699
intent is to reshift the burden

5124
02:41:51,699 --> 02:41:53,434
of water that's going out for

5125
02:41:53,434 --> 02:41:54,936
irrigation funding, the sewer,

5126
02:41:54,936 --> 02:41:56,404
sewer operations. That's what's

5127
02:41:56,404 --> 02:41:57,772
happening right now. Irrigation

5128
02:41:57,772 --> 02:41:59,273
water is funding portions of

5129
02:41:59,273 --> 02:42:01,509
the sewer system. That's how

5130
02:42:01,509 --> 02:42:03,444
the rate structure is built. So

5131
02:42:03,444 --> 02:42:04,745
if we just want to adjust that

5132
02:42:04,745 --> 02:42:06,781
burden so that sewer water pays

5133
02:42:06,781 --> 02:42:09,781
for the sewer cost, then

5134
02:42:10,184 --> 02:42:11,352
perhaps we just change the in

5135
02:42:11,352 --> 02:42:13,120
the option one style. We just

5136
02:42:13,120 --> 02:42:14,322
change how the base rates are

5137
02:42:14,322 --> 02:42:15,756
built so that less water used

5138
02:42:15,756 --> 02:42:16,491
for irrigation funds, portions

5139
02:42:16,491 --> 02:42:18,580
of the sewer.

5140
02:42:18,580 --> 02:42:20,460
>> Yeah, I think, I think

5141
02:42:20,460 --> 02:42:22,860
there's that's attractive. I

5142
02:42:23,630 --> 02:42:24,265
think I mean, I haven't, you

5143
02:42:24,265 --> 02:42:26,330
know, run this by the folks

5144
02:42:26,330 --> 02:42:27,301
that are experiencing the issue.

5145
02:42:27,301 --> 02:42:28,736
I think some of it's

5146
02:42:28,736 --> 02:42:30,537
philosophical and some of it's

5147
02:42:30,537 --> 02:42:31,605
practical. So if you're

5148
02:42:31,605 --> 02:42:33,407
addressing at least the

5149
02:42:33,407 --> 02:42:35,375
practical side philosophically,

5150
02:42:35,375 --> 02:42:36,644
it MAY not be the the freedom

5151
02:42:36,644 --> 02:42:39,145
or whatever that they'd like to

5152
02:42:39,145 --> 02:42:42,150
see, but at least practically

5153
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:43,451
you're showing that it's not

5154
02:42:43,451 --> 02:42:44,919
significant. If we if we're

5155
02:42:44,919 --> 02:42:46,387
able to adjust those.

5156
02:42:46,387 --> 02:42:47,788
>> And if you do that, then

5157
02:42:47,788 --> 02:42:48,689
they don't have that $3,000 for

5158
02:42:48,689 --> 02:42:50,324
an additional meter.

5159
02:42:50,324 --> 02:42:52,159
>> No, I understand right. Yeah.

5160
02:42:52,159 --> 02:42:53,294
>> Right. There's no under the

5161
02:42:53,294 --> 02:42:54,628
option one, there's no

5162
02:42:54,628 --> 02:42:56,897
footprint increase. We don't

5163
02:42:56,897 --> 02:42:58,765
change any staffing or asset

5164
02:42:58,765 --> 02:43:00,167
levels. We don't have to create

5165
02:43:00,167 --> 02:43:02,200
a new program and track

5166
02:43:02,200 --> 02:43:03,870
financing separately. Like we

5167
02:43:03,870 --> 02:43:05,840
would have to do through an

5168
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:07,241
irrigation meter program. So

5169
02:43:07,241 --> 02:43:09,241
that's essentially my

5170
02:43:10,510 --> 02:43:13,114
recommendation is that we need

5171
02:43:13,114 --> 02:43:14,248
to, in my mind, delay this

5172
02:43:14,248 --> 02:43:15,983
until I can have better data.

5173
02:43:15,983 --> 02:43:17,551
Let me go see if I can parse

5174
02:43:17,551 --> 02:43:18,786
out how many one single person

5175
02:43:18,786 --> 02:43:20,521
households we have versus how

5176
02:43:20,521 --> 02:43:21,622
many for. I think that would be

5177
02:43:21,622 --> 02:43:22,723
valuable, valuable information

5178
02:43:22,723 --> 02:43:24,910
because we might MAY find out

5179
02:43:24,910 --> 02:43:25,559
there's 30,000 customers that

5180
02:43:25,559 --> 02:43:26,727
would benefit from this program.

5181
02:43:26,727 --> 02:43:27,828
And if that's the case, that

5182
02:43:27,828 --> 02:43:30,828
changes how the numbers work.

5183
02:43:32,990 --> 02:43:34,499
Yeah. We are currently

5184
02:43:36,103 --> 02:43:38,503
supplying water to customers

5185
02:43:39,373 --> 02:43:40,441
who are not our sewer customers.

5186
02:43:40,441 --> 02:43:41,909
So a different city or a

5187
02:43:41,909 --> 02:43:43,343
different utility collects the

5188
02:43:43,343 --> 02:43:45,179
sewer and we provide the water.

5189
02:43:45,179 --> 02:43:46,814
So if I put a potable

5190
02:43:46,814 --> 02:43:49,149
irrigation meter at that house,

5191
02:43:49,149 --> 02:43:51,552
I've impacted the City of Saint

5192
02:43:51,552 --> 02:43:53,353
Pete Beach sewer system or the

5193
02:43:53,353 --> 02:43:54,254
Largo revenue. We would want to

5194
02:43:54,254 --> 02:43:55,255
understand what our

5195
02:43:55,255 --> 02:43:56,957
stakeholders, before I go,

5196
02:43:56,957 --> 02:43:57,657
impact all of their revenue

5197
02:43:57,657 --> 02:43:59,425
projections because they've

5198
02:43:59,425 --> 02:44:00,560
built out their own models. So

5199
02:44:00,560 --> 02:44:03,731
I think that would be an

5200
02:44:03,731 --> 02:44:05,132
important step to do. And then

5201
02:44:05,132 --> 02:44:07,532
we're currently underway with

5202
02:44:07,768 --> 02:44:08,802
our new rate study. I could

5203
02:44:08,802 --> 02:44:09,903
commit we're not scheduled to

5204
02:44:09,903 --> 02:44:11,839
come back with final

5205
02:44:11,839 --> 02:44:13,741
recommendations up until spring

5206
02:44:13,741 --> 02:44:16,710
of next year. But I could come

5207
02:44:16,710 --> 02:44:18,946
back this winter and give you a

5208
02:44:18,946 --> 02:44:19,980
better update on how the

5209
02:44:19,980 --> 02:44:21,810
numbers work. Maybe more

5210
02:44:21,810 --> 02:44:22,148
refined model of option one.

5211
02:44:22,148 --> 02:44:23,550
That was just me throwing

5212
02:44:23,550 --> 02:44:26,486
numbers in a spreadsheet that

5213
02:44:26,486 --> 02:44:28,880
wasn't scientific. But if

5214
02:44:28,880 --> 02:44:29,289
that's the will of the board,

5215
02:44:29,289 --> 02:44:30,290
or you could say implement

5216
02:44:30,290 --> 02:44:31,457
today and we'll go build a

5217
02:44:31,457 --> 02:44:32,925
potable irrigation meters,

5218
02:44:32,925 --> 02:44:34,494
that's.

5219
02:44:34,494 --> 02:44:36,230
>> I like the idea of doing

5220
02:44:36,230 --> 02:44:38,630
further investigation on here,

5221
02:44:39,990 --> 02:44:41,601
but I also like the idea of, of,

5222
02:44:41,601 --> 02:44:44,138
of, of thinking about what that

5223
02:44:44,138 --> 02:44:46,206
rate adjustment would be and

5224
02:44:46,206 --> 02:44:47,741
how that would make sense to a

5225
02:44:47,741 --> 02:44:48,875
particular person. On the

5226
02:44:48,875 --> 02:44:49,875
practical side, I said there's

5227
02:44:49,875 --> 02:44:50,944
practical, there's

5228
02:44:50,944 --> 02:44:52,178
philosophical, right? We MAY

5229
02:44:52,178 --> 02:44:53,913
not be able to ever deal with

5230
02:44:53,913 --> 02:44:55,150
the philosophical side, but at

5231
02:44:55,150 --> 02:44:57,830
least on the practical side,

5232
02:44:57,830 --> 02:44:58,485
we've we've narrowed that gap a

5233
02:44:58,485 --> 02:45:01,354
little bit. I think that makes

5234
02:45:01,354 --> 02:45:04,324
sense to me. I don't know, I'm

5235
02:45:04,324 --> 02:45:07,924
not anybody else want to weigh

5236
02:45:09,328 --> 02:45:10,397
in on this. Want to do his

5237
02:45:10,397 --> 02:45:12,165
recommendation, which is to do

5238
02:45:12,165 --> 02:45:14,300
a little more study number one,

5239
02:45:14,300 --> 02:45:15,502
and maybe take a look at some

5240
02:45:15,502 --> 02:45:17,400
rate adjustments in that rate

5241
02:45:17,400 --> 02:45:18,838
study that you're talking about

5242
02:45:18,838 --> 02:45:20,107
at the lower end, so that we

5243
02:45:20,107 --> 02:45:23,750
can make sure that those folks

5244
02:45:23,750 --> 02:45:24,344
are getting their if if some

5245
02:45:24,344 --> 02:45:25,545
people are getting a break

5246
02:45:25,545 --> 02:45:26,579
because they're capped at

5247
02:45:26,579 --> 02:45:28,579
10,000 gallons and they're

5248
02:45:28,815 --> 02:45:30,250
actually using 15,000 gallons,

5249
02:45:30,250 --> 02:45:32,752
then maybe there's a break at

5250
02:45:32,752 --> 02:45:33,530
the other end for those

5251
02:45:33,530 --> 02:45:35,530
customers.

5252
02:45:35,154 --> 02:45:36,890
>> Or and I haven't postulated

5253
02:45:36,890 --> 02:45:37,958
this, but since you just

5254
02:45:37,958 --> 02:45:39,125
brought up, we don't do a

5255
02:45:39,125 --> 02:45:40,927
tiered system. Maybe we have a

5256
02:45:40,927 --> 02:45:42,610
more tiered system on the sewer

5257
02:45:42,610 --> 02:45:43,930
side as well. Yeah. So the

5258
02:45:43,930 --> 02:45:45,165
sewer side is 10,000 gallons is

5259
02:45:45,165 --> 02:45:46,299
the limit. On the water side

5260
02:45:46,299 --> 02:45:48,680
you have different tiers of

5261
02:45:48,680 --> 02:45:50,360
usage. So 0 to 4000 is this

5262
02:45:50,360 --> 02:45:51,571
rate 4 to 6000 is this rate

5263
02:45:51,571 --> 02:45:52,905
etc. Yeah. So all right.

5264
02:45:52,905 --> 02:45:55,305
>> All right. Thank you.

5265
02:45:55,809 --> 02:45:57,243
Appreciate it. We're going to

5266
02:45:57,243 --> 02:45:59,713
obviously going to take a break

5267
02:45:59,713 --> 02:46:03,160
here. Okay. Just if we can hold

5268
02:46:03,160 --> 02:46:05,170
for a second. I had about 5 or

5269
02:46:05,170 --> 02:46:07,620
6 things I needed to go over

5270
02:46:07,620 --> 02:46:09,456
when we're done with the agenda

5271
02:46:09,456 --> 02:46:10,289
briefing. So but I need

5272
02:46:10,289 --> 02:46:12,289
commissioner commissioners need

5273
02:46:12,292 --> 02:46:13,927
to be here for some of that. Do

5274
02:46:13,927 --> 02:46:15,561
you want me to just touch on

5275
02:46:15,561 --> 02:46:16,997
those real quick, and then we

5276
02:46:16,997 --> 02:46:18,898
can take a break for lunch and

5277
02:46:18,898 --> 02:46:21,768
then make sure just making sure

5278
02:46:21,768 --> 02:46:25,968
there was a, a psta letter that

5279
02:46:26,740 --> 02:46:27,908
I received regarding a grant

5280
02:46:27,908 --> 02:46:29,975
that they want to go after

5281
02:46:29,975 --> 02:46:31,311
federal transit, transit

5282
02:46:31,311 --> 02:46:33,545
administration, bus and bus

5283
02:46:33,545 --> 02:46:35,248
facilities grant. They're

5284
02:46:35,248 --> 02:46:37,648
requesting $2 million to expand

5285
02:46:38,284 --> 02:46:40,320
where psta can construct bus

5286
02:46:40,320 --> 02:46:41,821
bays, locations where bus can

5287
02:46:41,821 --> 02:46:42,822
pull out of the travel lane for

5288
02:46:42,822 --> 02:46:44,691
boarding and disembarking,

5289
02:46:44,691 --> 02:46:46,525
which I would just love. Those

5290
02:46:46,525 --> 02:46:48,270
busses make me drive me crazy

5291
02:46:48,270 --> 02:46:49,429
when you get trapped behind

5292
02:46:49,429 --> 02:46:50,863
them. And then they don't, they

5293
02:46:50,863 --> 02:46:52,699
get rid of their one customer

5294
02:46:52,699 --> 02:46:53,867
and then they sit there for a

5295
02:46:53,867 --> 02:46:55,701
little bit. They tell me they

5296
02:46:55,701 --> 02:46:58,438
don't sit there, but I've been

5297
02:46:58,438 --> 02:47:00,720
behind them before. And to meet

5298
02:47:00,720 --> 02:47:02,800
the grant deadline, we need a

5299
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:03,643
letter of support. Would you be

5300
02:47:03,643 --> 02:47:04,877
willing to provide a signed

5301
02:47:04,877 --> 02:47:07,113
letter of support for the

5302
02:47:07,113 --> 02:47:08,448
project? I'm glad to do that.

5303
02:47:08,448 --> 02:47:10,216
If the will of the commission

5304
02:47:10,216 --> 02:47:14,253
is to do that, and I wanted to

5305
02:47:14,253 --> 02:47:15,622
make sure that our Psta folks.

5306
02:47:15,622 --> 02:47:18,258
>> I'm definitely in favor of

5307
02:47:18,258 --> 02:47:20,493
bus Bay. Okay. Yeah.

5308
02:47:20,493 --> 02:47:22,461
>> Okay. So do I have consensus

5309
02:47:22,461 --> 02:47:23,630
then here for me to go ahead

5310
02:47:23,630 --> 02:47:24,997
and send that letter of support?

5311
02:47:24,997 --> 02:47:27,867
Okay. Thank you. That's that's

5312
02:47:27,867 --> 02:47:29,369
great. The sheriff has gotten

5313
02:47:29,369 --> 02:47:31,137
back to us and he's willing to

5314
02:47:31,137 --> 02:47:34,340
well, he can't be at the work

5315
02:47:34,340 --> 02:47:37,243
session this month. He's out of

5316
02:47:37,243 --> 02:47:38,778
town as as the head of the

5317
02:47:38,778 --> 02:47:40,913
sheriff's association, but he's

5318
02:47:40,913 --> 02:47:42,782
willing to come on OCTOBER 8th

5319
02:47:42,782 --> 02:47:44,349
work session to discuss this.

5320
02:47:44,349 --> 02:47:46,653
The flock technology, I'm

5321
02:47:46,653 --> 02:47:48,621
calling it flock technology and

5322
02:47:48,621 --> 02:47:50,155
the policies and that kind of

5323
02:47:50,155 --> 02:47:51,991
thing. And I know Commissioner

5324
02:47:51,991 --> 02:47:53,225
Nowicki had submitted something,

5325
02:47:53,225 --> 02:47:55,128
and I was just really going to

5326
02:47:55,128 --> 02:47:56,929
want to put that on hold until

5327
02:47:56,929 --> 02:47:59,532
we have the sheriff come in

5328
02:47:59,532 --> 02:48:01,200
here and talk to us in a work

5329
02:48:01,200 --> 02:48:02,101
session. So I want to make sure

5330
02:48:02,101 --> 02:48:04,101
everybody's comfortable with

5331
02:48:04,570 --> 02:48:06,570
that. Yeah, yeah.

5332
02:48:06,705 --> 02:48:08,441
>> Yeah yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

5333
02:48:08,441 --> 02:48:10,275
>> We're put any discussion

5334
02:48:10,275 --> 02:48:12,675
about Commissioner Nowicki was

5335
02:48:13,479 --> 02:48:15,648
talking about getting rid of

5336
02:48:15,648 --> 02:48:16,882
the flock cameras. Yeah. And

5337
02:48:16,882 --> 02:48:19,285
this this would just be putting

5338
02:48:19,285 --> 02:48:21,870
that discussion on hold until

5339
02:48:21,870 --> 02:48:21,454
we have that session with the

5340
02:48:21,454 --> 02:48:22,554
sheriff.

5341
02:48:22,554 --> 02:48:24,757
>> I think that's prudent, but

5342
02:48:24,757 --> 02:48:26,559
I did I did request our county

5343
02:48:26,559 --> 02:48:27,727
attorney to. I sent her a list

5344
02:48:27,727 --> 02:48:29,361
of questions regarding that,

5345
02:48:29,361 --> 02:48:29,528
and I'd like her to keep moving

5346
02:48:29,528 --> 02:48:31,263
on.

5347
02:48:31,263 --> 02:48:32,397
>> No, that's fine. I think

5348
02:48:32,397 --> 02:48:35,167
that's fine. But I think it's

5349
02:48:35,167 --> 02:48:36,535
good for us to have that, right.

5350
02:48:36,535 --> 02:48:40,135
I mean, if anybody listened to

5351
02:48:42,307 --> 02:48:43,743
us session his he had a right a.

5352
02:48:43,743 --> 02:48:45,277
Talk with the press I guess

5353
02:48:45,277 --> 02:48:46,679
yesterday. And so there was it

5354
02:48:46,679 --> 02:48:47,646
was an hour long and it'd

5355
02:48:47,646 --> 02:48:49,548
probably be good for everybody

5356
02:48:49,548 --> 02:48:50,949
to look at that before our

5357
02:48:50,949 --> 02:48:52,418
meeting. Did you have a comment?

5358
02:48:52,418 --> 02:48:54,185
>> Yeah. Thank you, MR. Chair.

5359
02:48:54,185 --> 02:48:56,289
Yeah. Back in JULY, I brought

5360
02:48:56,289 --> 02:48:58,157
this up and asked Barry and

5361
02:48:58,157 --> 02:49:00,625
staff to work on a on a white

5362
02:49:00,625 --> 02:49:01,426
paper on that as well. So where

5363
02:49:01,426 --> 02:49:02,662
are we?

5364
02:49:02,662 --> 02:49:04,997
>> So we've been working on the

5365
02:49:04,997 --> 02:49:07,990
white paper. We're I want to

5366
02:49:07,990 --> 02:49:09,434
get a final review of that.

5367
02:49:09,434 --> 02:49:10,802
It'll identify like, you know,

5368
02:49:10,802 --> 02:49:11,871
how many cameras and different

5369
02:49:11,871 --> 02:49:12,638
things like that. It also

5370
02:49:12,638 --> 02:49:13,805
provides some background

5371
02:49:13,805 --> 02:49:15,740
information about what others

5372
02:49:15,740 --> 02:49:16,475
have done in neighboring

5373
02:49:16,475 --> 02:49:18,310
counties and things like that.

5374
02:49:18,310 --> 02:49:19,644
We can finalize that, submit

5375
02:49:19,644 --> 02:49:21,546
that out to the commission. You

5376
02:49:21,546 --> 02:49:22,915
can read that prior to the

5377
02:49:22,915 --> 02:49:24,183
sheriff coming. So you'll have

5378
02:49:24,183 --> 02:49:26,351
all the information available

5379
02:49:26,351 --> 02:49:28,187
for you at that time so we can

5380
02:49:28,187 --> 02:49:29,321
find that, finalize that in the

5381
02:49:29,321 --> 02:49:31,323
next couple of weeks. Get that

5382
02:49:31,323 --> 02:49:32,191
out to you well ahead of that

5383
02:49:32,191 --> 02:49:33,425
meeting. Okay, great.

5384
02:49:33,425 --> 02:49:33,859
>> I think that's important.

5385
02:49:33,859 --> 02:49:34,559
Keep moving.

5386
02:49:34,559 --> 02:49:36,559
>> Commissioner flowers.

5387
02:49:36,728 --> 02:49:38,831
>> I just want to share that I

5388
02:49:38,831 --> 02:49:41,366
was on with the conversation

5389
02:49:41,366 --> 02:49:44,966
yesterday, and there is a great

5390
02:49:46,380 --> 02:49:47,473
potential that a specific new

5391
02:49:47,473 --> 02:49:48,874
legislative person will be

5392
02:49:48,874 --> 02:49:50,709
actually submitting bill

5393
02:49:50,709 --> 02:49:52,144
language surrounding flock

5394
02:49:52,144 --> 02:49:54,144
cameras.

5395
02:49:54,680 --> 02:49:56,147
>> So that's a whole nother.

5396
02:49:56,147 --> 02:49:58,717
>> Yeah. But I'm just sharing.

5397
02:49:58,717 --> 02:50:00,510
So yeah.

5398
02:50:00,510 --> 02:50:01,620
>> So yeah, anyway, that

5399
02:50:01,620 --> 02:50:04,456
conversation I think will have.

5400
02:50:04,456 --> 02:50:05,591
And then we can kind of kind of

5401
02:50:05,591 --> 02:50:08,930
collectively decide if we want

5402
02:50:08,930 --> 02:50:09,762
to do something on the cameras

5403
02:50:09,762 --> 02:50:11,997
that are in our right of ways

5404
02:50:11,997 --> 02:50:15,597
versus the state right of ways

5405
02:50:16,235 --> 02:50:17,736
that. Is that make sense here?

5406
02:50:17,736 --> 02:50:18,804
>> Yeah. Makes makes total

5407
02:50:18,804 --> 02:50:20,638
sense to me. And I'm really

5408
02:50:20,638 --> 02:50:21,674
glad the sheriff is coming in

5409
02:50:21,674 --> 02:50:23,842
because I think just out of

5410
02:50:23,842 --> 02:50:24,877
courtesy and respect for an

5411
02:50:24,877 --> 02:50:25,910
independently elected

5412
02:50:25,910 --> 02:50:27,445
constitutional officer and a

5413
02:50:27,445 --> 02:50:28,914
law enforcement professional,

5414
02:50:28,914 --> 02:50:29,714
that we have a conversation

5415
02:50:29,714 --> 02:50:32,114
with them. Yeah. So.

5416
02:50:32,117 --> 02:50:33,151
>> I mean, it's such a well,

5417
02:50:33,151 --> 02:50:34,319
anyway, it's a, it's an

5418
02:50:34,319 --> 02:50:36,121
incredible conversation to have.

5419
02:50:36,121 --> 02:50:37,889
I had one with a gentleman, one

5420
02:50:37,889 --> 02:50:39,240
of our residents, and it was

5421
02:50:39,240 --> 02:50:40,159
really a great conversation.

5422
02:50:40,159 --> 02:50:42,560
And there just didn't seem to

5423
02:50:42,560 --> 02:50:44,396
be a it's either, you know, the

5424
02:50:44,396 --> 02:50:45,264
rights of the, you know, the

5425
02:50:45,264 --> 02:50:46,364
Bill of rights and the

5426
02:50:46,364 --> 02:50:48,200
Constitution on one side and

5427
02:50:48,200 --> 02:50:49,735
public safety on the other side

5428
02:50:49,735 --> 02:50:51,236
and near the twain shall meet

5429
02:50:51,236 --> 02:50:52,303
unless it's your kid that got

5430
02:50:52,303 --> 02:50:54,273
kidnaped and then you're like,

5431
02:50:54,273 --> 02:50:55,474
turn them all on. So I want to

5432
02:50:55,474 --> 02:50:56,574
find them right away. So I

5433
02:50:56,574 --> 02:50:58,443
think that conversation is

5434
02:50:58,443 --> 02:51:00,278
going to be a good one to have

5435
02:51:00,278 --> 02:51:01,480
after the sheriff weighs in. So

5436
02:51:01,480 --> 02:51:03,470
if we're okay with that, then

5437
02:51:03,470 --> 02:51:05,447
we'll we'll put that

5438
02:51:06,170 --> 02:51:08,417
conversation on hold. Barry's

5439
02:51:08,853 --> 02:51:10,221
evaluation will be at the

5440
02:51:10,221 --> 02:51:12,157
NOVEMBER 12th workshop and then

5441
02:51:12,157 --> 02:51:15,327
followed up by NOVEMBER 17th at

5442
02:51:15,327 --> 02:51:18,463
our meeting to vote on his

5443
02:51:18,463 --> 02:51:19,698
review and raise. And so all of

5444
02:51:19,698 --> 02:51:21,733
that, just making sure

5445
02:51:21,733 --> 02:51:22,934
everybody's good with that,

5446
02:51:22,934 --> 02:51:24,770
that's the best we're going to

5447
02:51:24,770 --> 02:51:27,172
do. So just letting you know

5448
02:51:27,172 --> 02:51:30,172
that we're talking about an

5449
02:51:30,442 --> 02:51:32,110
investiture meeting on the 17th

5450
02:51:32,110 --> 02:51:35,110
for the three new commissioners

5451
02:51:35,113 --> 02:51:36,915
that are elected. That would be

5452
02:51:36,915 --> 02:51:39,915
prior. It would be here

5453
02:51:40,151 --> 02:51:41,852
probably around 11:00 prior to

5454
02:51:41,852 --> 02:51:44,852
our workshop. We have a

5455
02:51:45,557 --> 02:51:46,992
commission meeting that day. So

5456
02:51:46,992 --> 02:51:48,893
I guess that's the best we can

5457
02:51:48,893 --> 02:51:50,661
do. I think we were talking to

5458
02:51:50,661 --> 02:51:53,131
Jill about needing about a two

5459
02:51:53,131 --> 02:51:53,464
week window. If you want to

5460
02:51:53,464 --> 02:51:55,267
speak to.

5461
02:51:55,267 --> 02:51:56,468
>> That, the the for any of the

5462
02:51:56,468 --> 02:51:58,437
county commissioners elected,

5463
02:51:58,437 --> 02:52:01,172
your new term begins two weeks

5464
02:52:01,172 --> 02:52:02,106
after Election Day. And I was

5465
02:52:02,106 --> 02:52:03,574
talking with Stacey about

5466
02:52:03,574 --> 02:52:04,709
coordinating a date. The

5467
02:52:04,709 --> 02:52:06,177
election gets certified ten

5468
02:52:06,177 --> 02:52:08,913
days out. So obviously 14 days

5469
02:52:08,913 --> 02:52:10,820
is beyond that. Assuming that

5470
02:52:10,820 --> 02:52:11,483
nothing, assuming everything

5471
02:52:11,483 --> 02:52:12,484
goes according to plan, the

5472
02:52:12,484 --> 02:52:13,718
election should be certified

5473
02:52:13,718 --> 02:52:15,487
and you all should be perfectly

5474
02:52:15,487 --> 02:52:16,688
fine to have the investiture

5475
02:52:16,688 --> 02:52:18,623
then. But but that is the day

5476
02:52:18,623 --> 02:52:20,992
that the new term starts.

5477
02:52:20,992 --> 02:52:22,626
>> So that that's that's kind

5478
02:52:22,626 --> 02:52:26,226
of where we're heading at this

5479
02:52:26,630 --> 02:52:28,700
point then. And then the county

5480
02:52:28,700 --> 02:52:30,568
attorney, I've kind of come to

5481
02:52:30,568 --> 02:52:32,971
the end of my negotiations with

5482
02:52:32,971 --> 02:52:35,574
Don, and I think that's been

5483
02:52:35,574 --> 02:52:36,774
sent out to everybody. Yes. So

5484
02:52:36,774 --> 02:52:38,109
everybody should have gotten

5485
02:52:38,109 --> 02:52:40,245
that package of information,

5486
02:52:40,245 --> 02:52:41,746
and I'll be bringing forward is

5487
02:52:41,746 --> 02:52:43,181
submitted in that contract. But

5488
02:52:43,181 --> 02:52:45,316
I wanted to bring other

5489
02:52:45,316 --> 02:52:47,850
information that not only

5490
02:52:47,850 --> 02:52:48,485
respected the the 12 member

5491
02:52:48,485 --> 02:52:50,388
board that said, we wanted to

5492
02:52:50,388 --> 02:52:51,755
show total compensation, but

5493
02:52:51,755 --> 02:52:53,124
also the will that you guys

5494
02:52:53,124 --> 02:52:54,250
said, we want to show the

5495
02:52:54,250 --> 02:52:56,494
details so that when we're

5496
02:52:56,494 --> 02:52:57,595
comparing to other counties, we

5497
02:52:57,595 --> 02:52:59,531
have a good comparison. So you

5498
02:52:59,531 --> 02:53:01,432
have both and that will be part

5499
02:53:01,432 --> 02:53:02,567
of that package. It should be

5500
02:53:02,567 --> 02:53:05,567
when you're looking. I just

5501
02:53:05,870 --> 02:53:09,340
want to make sure that that you

5502
02:53:09,340 --> 02:53:13,540
guys got that. So I just have

5503
02:53:17,415 --> 02:53:20,385
one other thing. More on a.

5504
02:53:20,385 --> 02:53:23,854
More on a personal level. So if

5505
02:53:23,854 --> 02:53:25,322
you'll indulge me, I'm just

5506
02:53:25,322 --> 02:53:26,724
really wanting to take an

5507
02:53:26,724 --> 02:53:28,460
opportunity to share a little

5508
02:53:28,460 --> 02:53:31,429
bit of a personal journey that

5509
02:53:31,429 --> 02:53:32,629
I'm going through. I've let the

5510
02:53:32,629 --> 02:53:34,465
commission know this weekend,

5511
02:53:34,465 --> 02:53:36,800
but I also wanted to let my

5512
02:53:36,800 --> 02:53:38,269
colleagues, the staff know, if

5513
02:53:38,269 --> 02:53:39,570
anybody's those thousands of

5514
02:53:39,570 --> 02:53:41,720
people that are watching our

5515
02:53:41,720 --> 02:53:42,974
commission meeting or workshop

5516
02:53:42,974 --> 02:53:45,109
would know. But and I don't see

5517
02:53:45,109 --> 02:53:46,511
the press here today, but I'm

5518
02:53:46,511 --> 02:53:48,346
just going to read because I

5519
02:53:48,346 --> 02:53:52,546
don't know that I could do it

5520
02:53:54,452 --> 02:53:56,253
otherwise. But. So I've been

5521
02:53:56,253 --> 02:53:58,253
diagnosed with colorectal

5522
02:53:58,456 --> 02:54:00,557
cancer and started treatment in

5523
02:54:00,557 --> 02:54:01,659
mid-JULY. And the final

5524
02:54:01,659 --> 02:54:03,761
prognosis was given to me in

5525
02:54:03,761 --> 02:54:05,629
early AUGUST. My team of

5526
02:54:05,629 --> 02:54:06,930
doctors are from Moffitt, and

5527
02:54:06,930 --> 02:54:08,166
they, along with the tumor

5528
02:54:08,166 --> 02:54:10,601
board, have given me, with his

5529
02:54:10,601 --> 02:54:11,802
key words, a path to cure,

5530
02:54:11,802 --> 02:54:12,836
because there's other paths

5531
02:54:12,836 --> 02:54:15,236
that weren't quite as

5532
02:54:15,573 --> 02:54:16,908
attractive for me as a path to

5533
02:54:16,908 --> 02:54:18,643
cure, which was a great, great

5534
02:54:18,643 --> 02:54:20,116
bit of news. It has been an

5535
02:54:20,116 --> 02:54:21,712
emotional month or two, and I

5536
02:54:21,712 --> 02:54:23,614
know there will be some ups and

5537
02:54:23,614 --> 02:54:25,820
downs along the way, but I'm

5538
02:54:25,820 --> 02:54:27,585
doing well. I feel great, which

5539
02:54:27,585 --> 02:54:29,820
is the irony of all of it. And

5540
02:54:29,820 --> 02:54:32,222
I too am optimistic. I have a

5541
02:54:32,222 --> 02:54:33,824
good support from Anna, my life

5542
02:54:33,824 --> 02:54:35,759
partner, my family, my friends,

5543
02:54:35,759 --> 02:54:37,260
and all of you as colleagues

5544
02:54:37,260 --> 02:54:40,230
and a deep spiritual belief

5545
02:54:40,230 --> 02:54:41,999
that GOD has plans for me and I

5546
02:54:41,999 --> 02:54:43,500
and I have to be on board with

5547
02:54:43,500 --> 02:54:45,202
whatever they are. Don't know

5548
02:54:45,202 --> 02:54:46,270
those yet, but hopefully I'll.

5549
02:54:46,270 --> 02:54:48,439
They'll be the ones that I'm

5550
02:54:48,439 --> 02:54:50,241
hoping for. I love serving the

5551
02:54:50,241 --> 02:54:51,775
people of Pinellas County,

5552
02:54:51,775 --> 02:54:53,110
working on regional issues and

5553
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:54,145
meeting with residents and

5554
02:54:54,145 --> 02:54:56,346
business owners in North County

5555
02:54:56,346 --> 02:54:57,547
and beyond. I plan on

5556
02:54:57,547 --> 02:55:00,350
continuing to serve them and

5557
02:55:00,350 --> 02:55:01,452
work with you. As an aside, I

5558
02:55:01,452 --> 02:55:03,286
certainly don't want this

5559
02:55:03,286 --> 02:55:06,886
disease defining my life or who

5560
02:55:07,524 --> 02:55:09,727
I am. I was seven years into my

5561
02:55:09,727 --> 02:55:11,128
ten year cycle of getting a

5562
02:55:11,128 --> 02:55:12,730
colonoscopy, so I still had

5563
02:55:12,730 --> 02:55:15,320
three years, but it came up

5564
02:55:15,320 --> 02:55:16,200
sooner than we expected. All I

5565
02:55:16,200 --> 02:55:18,669
would say is listen to your

5566
02:55:18,669 --> 02:55:20,938
inner voice, and if something

5567
02:55:20,938 --> 02:55:22,773
isn't quite right, get checked

5568
02:55:22,773 --> 02:55:23,774
out. It's a one day process

5569
02:55:23,774 --> 02:55:25,242
that's miserable. But I can

5570
02:55:25,242 --> 02:55:28,112
tell you the alternative isn't

5571
02:55:28,112 --> 02:55:30,180
very fun. So the idea is just

5572
02:55:30,180 --> 02:55:32,950
taking charge of your life.

5573
02:55:32,950 --> 02:55:34,510
It's worth it. And with that, I

5574
02:55:34,510 --> 02:55:35,986
really don't have anything else.

5575
02:55:35,986 --> 02:55:37,210
I just want to thank you for

5576
02:55:37,210 --> 02:55:38,221
listening and indulging me,

5577
02:55:38,221 --> 02:55:39,556
continuing to be my colleagues

5578
02:55:39,556 --> 02:55:43,156
and friends. That's all I need,

5579
02:55:43,226 --> 02:55:44,628
really. And the process will

5580
02:55:44,628 --> 02:55:46,997
take a few months ahead for

5581
02:55:46,997 --> 02:55:48,232
sure. First thing I'm going

5582
02:55:48,232 --> 02:55:49,400
through now, I'm going through

5583
02:55:49,400 --> 02:55:51,101
a procedure now and I'll have

5584
02:55:51,101 --> 02:55:52,469
one in NOVEMBER, and then I'll

5585
02:55:52,469 --> 02:55:54,370
probably have one in MARCH

5586
02:55:54,370 --> 02:55:56,807
again, all with the intent at

5587
02:55:56,807 --> 02:55:57,908
the end of it to be having

5588
02:55:57,908 --> 02:55:59,443
non-detectable cancer in my

5589
02:55:59,443 --> 02:56:00,977
system. But I just wanted to

5590
02:56:00,977 --> 02:56:04,577
share that with you today. And

5591
03:05:12,692 --> 03:05:15,562
53 lots to be sold. The list of

5592
03:05:15,562 --> 03:05:17,997
equipment is in your packet.

5593
03:05:17,997 --> 03:05:21,597
Item 12 an award of bid. This

5594
03:05:23,502 --> 03:05:24,905
is for. Let's see. Philippi

5595
03:05:24,905 --> 03:05:26,406
Park wastewater collection

5596
03:05:26,406 --> 03:05:28,508
system. I should have read this

5597
03:05:28,508 --> 03:05:29,910
at the break. So this is a

5598
03:05:29,910 --> 03:05:31,277
collection system. So it

5599
03:05:31,277 --> 03:05:33,213
replaces for on site collection

5600
03:05:33,213 --> 03:05:34,815
a separate collection systems.

5601
03:05:34,815 --> 03:05:38,218
And to connect to the City of

5602
03:05:38,218 --> 03:05:40,353
Safety Harbor on to the regular

5603
03:05:40,353 --> 03:05:42,155
agenda. First item is operating

5604
03:05:42,155 --> 03:05:44,155
agreement with Allegiant

5605
03:05:45,570 --> 03:05:46,825
Airlines. For the new five year

5606
03:05:46,825 --> 03:05:49,729
agreement Mark briefed you on

5607
03:05:49,729 --> 03:05:52,129
represents a 61% increase over

5608
03:05:53,733 --> 03:05:55,135
the prior agreement. Item 14 is

5609
03:05:55,135 --> 03:05:56,236
an award of bid Hubbard

5610
03:05:56,236 --> 03:05:58,370
Construction. This is for

5611
03:05:58,370 --> 03:06:00,370
airfield pavement

5612
03:06:03,375 --> 03:06:04,510
rehabilitation. Item 15 is a

5613
03:06:04,510 --> 03:06:05,812
First Amendment to announce to

5614
03:06:05,812 --> 03:06:08,810
you. This is for the Whispering

5615
03:06:08,810 --> 03:06:09,616
Souls African American Cemetery

5616
03:06:09,616 --> 03:06:11,351
to support the establishment of

5617
03:06:11,351 --> 03:06:13,351
an irrigation infrastructure

5618
03:06:17,189 --> 03:06:18,991
and a storage shed. Item 16 is

5619
03:06:18,991 --> 03:06:22,195
a First Amendment to MISS To

5620
03:06:22,195 --> 03:06:24,297
you. This is for Tierra Verde.

5621
03:06:24,297 --> 03:06:26,165
Beautiful. This is for median

5622
03:06:26,165 --> 03:06:27,167
enhancements within the certain

5623
03:06:27,167 --> 03:06:29,567
neighborhoods that are listed

5624
03:06:29,702 --> 03:06:32,572
there. This extends the grant

5625
03:06:32,572 --> 03:06:34,972
timeline until 2027 has no

5626
03:06:37,644 --> 03:06:39,112
fiscal impact. Item 17 is a

5627
03:06:39,112 --> 03:06:40,880
resolution designating. Approve

5628
03:06:40,880 --> 03:06:42,648
the updated list of code

5629
03:06:42,648 --> 03:06:45,648
inspectors. This is a statutory

5630
03:06:47,720 --> 03:06:50,120
requirement. Item 18 is an

5631
03:06:50,189 --> 03:06:52,240
agreement with 211 Tampa Bay

5632
03:06:52,240 --> 03:06:53,560
for adult emergency financial

5633
03:06:53,560 --> 03:06:55,960
assistance. You talked about

5634
03:06:56,496 --> 03:06:58,496
previously.

5635
03:06:59,599 --> 03:07:00,633
>> Ryan, did you have any other

5636
03:07:00,633 --> 03:07:02,635
questions about this? I love

5637
03:07:02,635 --> 03:07:02,835
you to come up. Some of them. I

5638
03:07:02,835 --> 03:07:04,704
mean.

5639
03:07:04,704 --> 03:07:06,573
>> Not at the moment. I'm going

5640
03:07:06,573 --> 03:07:07,640
to drill down into some of the

5641
03:07:07,640 --> 03:07:09,608
supporting documents on this a

5642
03:07:09,608 --> 03:07:10,643
little bit and see if I have

5643
03:07:10,643 --> 03:07:11,810
any other questions for our

5644
03:07:11,810 --> 03:07:12,545
next meeting. But I appreciate

5645
03:07:12,545 --> 03:07:14,545
the.

5646
03:07:14,981 --> 03:07:16,715
>> And Karen is available if

5647
03:07:16,715 --> 03:07:17,884
you want to, you know, meet.

5648
03:07:17,884 --> 03:07:18,851
>> With her. Yeah. And I'll

5649
03:07:18,851 --> 03:07:20,720
reach out to her.

5650
03:07:20,720 --> 03:07:21,888
>> Item 19 our agreements with

5651
03:07:21,888 --> 03:07:23,723
Saint Vincent de Paul and 2-1.

5652
03:07:23,723 --> 03:07:24,423
One Tampa Bay cares for the

5653
03:07:24,423 --> 03:07:25,858
rapid rehousing provider

5654
03:07:25,858 --> 03:07:28,270
services and the rapid

5655
03:07:28,270 --> 03:07:30,270
rehousing, financial assistance,

5656
03:07:30,196 --> 03:07:32,196
collaborative rehousing, rapid

5657
03:07:34,200 --> 03:07:35,968
rehousing program. Item 20 is

5658
03:07:35,968 --> 03:07:37,369
funding recommendation for the

5659
03:07:37,369 --> 03:07:39,505
substance from the Substance

5660
03:07:39,505 --> 03:07:41,340
Abuse Advisory Board for the

5661
03:07:41,340 --> 03:07:44,340
Alcohol and Drug Abuse Trust

5662
03:07:44,577 --> 03:07:46,977
Fund, and the recommendations

5663
03:07:50,383 --> 03:07:52,783
are listed below. Item 21

5664
03:07:53,252 --> 03:07:53,919
Letters of Agreement and

5665
03:07:53,919 --> 03:07:55,210
questionnaires, and

5666
03:07:55,210 --> 03:07:56,155
substantially the same form is

5667
03:07:56,155 --> 03:07:58,224
required to allow to

5668
03:07:58,224 --> 03:08:00,580
participate in the Hospital

5669
03:08:00,580 --> 03:08:02,194
Supplementary Pay program for

5670
03:08:02,194 --> 03:08:03,896
local hospitals. So this is the

5671
03:08:03,896 --> 03:08:05,297
amount that you were talking

5672
03:08:05,297 --> 03:08:08,297
about before that spikes the

5673
03:08:11,170 --> 03:08:12,638
budgets. Item 22 is a revised

5674
03:08:12,638 --> 03:08:14,507
authorizing agent approval form

5675
03:08:14,507 --> 03:08:16,740
for Hazard Mitigation Grant

5676
03:08:16,740 --> 03:08:17,310
program with Florida Department

5677
03:08:17,310 --> 03:08:19,178
of Emergency Management for the

5678
03:08:19,178 --> 03:08:21,578
North Booster Pump Station

5679
03:08:21,646 --> 03:08:23,416
hardening project. So the

5680
03:08:23,416 --> 03:08:25,816
project was rescoped and

5681
03:08:30,656 --> 03:08:32,457
therefore we have to resubmit.

5682
03:08:32,457 --> 03:08:34,960
>> Under item 23. This is a

5683
03:08:34,960 --> 03:08:36,796
request to add some funds into

5684
03:08:36,796 --> 03:08:38,563
a contract with outside counsel.

5685
03:08:38,563 --> 03:08:40,432
If you all recall, this is

5686
03:08:40,432 --> 03:08:41,801
related to the lawsuit in which

5687
03:08:41,801 --> 03:08:44,270
we did conduct a shade meeting

5688
03:08:44,270 --> 03:08:45,771
not long ago. Please do not ask

5689
03:08:45,771 --> 03:08:47,473
me any questions here about the

5690
03:08:47,473 --> 03:08:48,674
ongoing litigation. If you wish

5691
03:08:48,674 --> 03:08:50,175
to do so, please contact me

5692
03:08:50,175 --> 03:08:52,244
outside of this meeting. But

5693
03:08:52,244 --> 03:08:52,945
this is an amendment to the

5694
03:08:52,945 --> 03:08:55,481
agreement to get us through

5695
03:08:55,481 --> 03:08:57,149
trial. Should that be necessary.

5696
03:08:57,149 --> 03:08:58,350
I do not currently anticipate

5697
03:08:58,350 --> 03:08:59,151
anything under county attorney

5698
03:08:59,151 --> 03:09:00,952
reports.

5699
03:09:00,952 --> 03:09:03,122
>> I'm sure I'll have a county

5700
03:09:03,122 --> 03:09:04,189
administrator's report. Item 26

5701
03:09:04,189 --> 03:09:07,580
will be appointments to the

5702
03:09:07,580 --> 03:09:08,930
Youth Advisory Committee. Item

5703
03:09:08,930 --> 03:09:10,930
27 appointments to the

5704
03:09:10,229 --> 03:09:12,197
Emergency Medical Services

5705
03:09:12,197 --> 03:09:14,199
Advisory Council. You have a

5706
03:09:14,199 --> 03:09:16,599
couple of appointments and

5707
03:09:17,470 --> 03:09:20,470
reappointment on to the public

5708
03:09:21,600 --> 03:09:23,175
hearings. Item 29 is amendment

5709
03:09:23,175 --> 03:09:24,609
to this ordinance. This

5710
03:09:24,609 --> 03:09:25,678
exemption from the assessment

5711
03:09:25,678 --> 03:09:28,780
requirement for certain non

5712
03:09:34,353 --> 03:09:35,587
public hospital facilities.

5713
03:09:35,587 --> 03:09:36,855
What is this? I don't even

5714
03:09:36,855 --> 03:09:38,457
remember it even though you

5715
03:09:38,457 --> 03:09:42,570
briefed me on it. Yeah. Karen

5716
03:09:46,197 --> 03:09:48,660
come up and. Say what this is.

5717
03:09:48,660 --> 03:09:49,368
>> To the public.

5718
03:09:49,368 --> 03:09:51,203
>> I'm sure it was explained to

5719
03:09:51,203 --> 03:09:52,337
me, but I forgot. So Karen.

5720
03:09:52,337 --> 03:09:53,472
>> So this is the hospital

5721
03:09:53,472 --> 03:09:55,730
directed payment program that

5722
03:09:55,730 --> 03:09:56,275
changes. I will say every

5723
03:09:56,275 --> 03:09:58,243
single year we have not had one

5724
03:09:58,243 --> 03:09:59,878
year that is the same. So this

5725
03:09:59,878 --> 03:10:01,713
is a new process where

5726
03:10:01,713 --> 03:10:04,249
hospitals can request to be

5727
03:10:04,249 --> 03:10:06,510
waived from the assessment, but

5728
03:10:06,510 --> 03:10:08,520
they would still receive the

5729
03:10:08,520 --> 03:10:09,988
benefit of the amount. And so

5730
03:10:09,988 --> 03:10:12,124
this this is an ordinance

5731
03:10:12,124 --> 03:10:13,759
change that is required so that

5732
03:10:13,759 --> 03:10:15,727
if cms approves those waivers,

5733
03:10:15,727 --> 03:10:16,961
those hospitals can be exempted

5734
03:10:16,961 --> 03:10:18,831
from paying into the amount.

5735
03:10:18,831 --> 03:10:20,320
>> So this is a companion item

5736
03:10:20,320 --> 03:10:21,500
to 21.

5737
03:10:21,500 --> 03:10:22,601
>> Yes. It's kind of a whole

5738
03:10:22,601 --> 03:10:23,702
process. And then the

5739
03:10:23,702 --> 03:10:25,838
resolution will come forward

5740
03:10:25,838 --> 03:10:27,973
once we have the actual model

5741
03:10:27,973 --> 03:10:29,740
from the consultants. The

5742
03:10:29,740 --> 03:10:30,142
consultants will be here for

5743
03:10:30,142 --> 03:10:31,577
the public hearing. And I

5744
03:10:31,577 --> 03:10:33,311
believe several hospital CEOs

5745
03:10:33,311 --> 03:10:34,512
will also come to talk about

5746
03:10:34,512 --> 03:10:35,781
the impact.

5747
03:10:35,781 --> 03:10:37,549
>> MR. Chair, if you don't mind.

5748
03:10:37,549 --> 03:10:37,783
>> Yeah. Go ahead, Commissioner

5749
03:10:37,783 --> 03:10:39,550
Flowers.

5750
03:10:39,550 --> 03:10:40,718
>> When this item comes up, if

5751
03:10:40,718 --> 03:10:42,870
we could just have that brief

5752
03:10:42,870 --> 03:10:43,287
presentation before the public

5753
03:10:43,287 --> 03:10:44,956
so they can understand exactly

5754
03:10:44,956 --> 03:10:45,624
what this is, please.

5755
03:10:45,624 --> 03:10:47,624
>> Okay.

5756
03:10:47,793 --> 03:10:48,927
>> Thank you.

5757
03:10:48,927 --> 03:10:51,950
>> Great. Yeah. Remind me of

5758
03:10:51,950 --> 03:10:52,960
that when we get to it. Oh, we

5759
03:10:52,960 --> 03:10:53,899
were going to get a

5760
03:10:53,899 --> 03:10:54,232
presentation from them, from

5761
03:10:54,232 --> 03:10:56,232
staff.

5762
03:10:57,502 --> 03:10:58,736
>> Then item 30 is the adoption

5763
03:10:58,736 --> 03:11:01,736
of tentative millage rates and

5764
03:11:03,408 --> 03:11:06,144
the first public budget hearing.

5765
03:11:06,144 --> 03:11:07,379
So if we can go ahead and pass

5766
03:11:07,379 --> 03:11:08,646
that now, are we good? No. I'm

5767
03:11:08,646 --> 03:11:10,448
kidding.

5768
03:11:10,448 --> 03:11:11,950
>> And I think we probably will

5769
03:11:11,950 --> 03:11:14,520
have a little bit more

5770
03:11:14,520 --> 03:11:15,187
discussion during this first.

5771
03:11:15,187 --> 03:11:17,355
Hopefully when it gets to the

5772
03:11:17,355 --> 03:11:19,557
last one, we will have minimal

5773
03:11:19,557 --> 03:11:21,660
discussion, but still some. So

5774
03:11:21,660 --> 03:11:23,610
but between that and our

5775
03:11:23,610 --> 03:11:24,995
workshop, you know, we'll have

5776
03:11:24,995 --> 03:11:27,395
another opportunity to bring

5777
03:11:27,465 --> 03:11:29,500
this in for a landing hopefully.

5778
03:11:29,500 --> 03:11:31,603
>> Yeah. I mean just my read,

5779
03:11:31,603 --> 03:11:33,805
you know, but we do have to get

5780
03:11:33,805 --> 03:11:34,839
to five. And so, you know, I'll

5781
03:11:34,839 --> 03:11:35,874
be talking to individually.

5782
03:11:35,874 --> 03:11:38,175
Then we can have that

5783
03:11:38,175 --> 03:11:40,143
discussion at the meeting. I'm

5784
03:11:40,143 --> 03:11:41,179
going to, you know, in response

5785
03:11:41,179 --> 03:11:43,614
to your question, I'm going to

5786
03:11:43,614 --> 03:11:45,116
try to show what that extra

5787
03:11:45,116 --> 03:11:47,180
half of the millage does over

5788
03:11:47,180 --> 03:11:49,387
the next ten years. So that way

5789
03:11:49,387 --> 03:11:50,955
you can make an educated

5790
03:11:50,955 --> 03:11:52,557
judgment on what you choose to

5791
03:11:52,557 --> 03:11:53,725
do. And so we'll try to get

5792
03:11:53,725 --> 03:11:56,294
that to you before next

5793
03:11:56,294 --> 03:11:58,329
Thursday. And then, you know,

5794
03:11:58,329 --> 03:12:00,729
wait for your direction.

5795
03:12:00,865 --> 03:12:03,265
>> Sounds good. Anything else

5796
03:12:04,135 --> 03:12:07,135
from the commission before we

5797
03:12:07,771 --> 03:12:09,841
adjourn? Yeah, it was a good

5798
03:12:09,841 --> 03:12:12,241
day. Good day, Commissioner

5799
03:12:12,710 --> 03:12:14,212
Sher. Thank you for your for

5800
03:12:14,212 --> 03:12:16,212
your inquiries, Commissioner

5801
03:12:16,681 --> 03:12:17,749
Scott as well. Commissioner

5802
03:12:17,749 --> 03:12:19,250
flowers, you always bring good

5803
03:12:19,250 --> 03:12:21,118
stuff to the table. So we have

5804
03:12:21,118 --> 03:12:22,453
some work to do still, but

5805
03:12:22,453 --> 03:12:24,556
we're getting there slowly but

5806
03:12:24,556 --> 03:12:26,570
surely. All right. Thank you.

5807
03:12:26,570 --> 03:12:28,570
We are adjourned.

5808
03:12:42,373 --> 03:12:44,373
>> Thank you sir.