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>> Welcome to the Governance Committee meeting on August 6th.

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Do I need to say that again for the purpose of the record?

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Am I good to go?

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We do not have anyone participating remotely today.

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We'll go on to the main item.

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The next order of business will be roll call.

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Madam clerk please call roll call.

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[Roll call]

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>> All present.

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Let the record show that there is a quorum.

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For the purposes of this meeting.

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The next item on the agenda will be public comment.

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This is an opportunity for any member of the public

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to address the Committee on items

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that are not on the agenda.

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Madam clerk is there any public comment?

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>> No comments at this time.

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>> I'm taking a picture of this real quick.

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We we'll move on.

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The agenda review unless there's any objections

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comment we'll consider the agenda today approve.

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Hearing none.

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That shall be the order of.

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We move to consent.

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Only one item on consent.

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The items from the last meeting.

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Madam Clerk is there any public comments on consent agenda?

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>> No comments.

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>> Thank you.

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Now is there a motion to approve the >> So second.

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Those in favor say aye.

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The record shows the motion has been adopted unanimously.

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We'll move to the main event here.

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The regular agenda item.

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We have one item but it's a very important item.

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We're going to talk about administration consideration

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to meet the challenge of a large governing board in 2027.

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Don.

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There you are.

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I was going to defer to you over there.

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>> Thank you.

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Madam chair and fellow directors.

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My apologies I thought we were going

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to be in the dark in August.

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We need some time to put some things together

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to meet with folks to come up with some recommendations today.

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Our agenda and next slide please comment Teresa.

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We'll just spend a few minutes reviewing

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what I think are some action items from the last meeting

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comment which were focused on JPA structure.

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Then we'll talk about not really recommendations,

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they're more like ideas.

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Throwing out ideas perhaps utilizing the committees

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or changing the committees that we

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have to be able to have fewer items on the regular calendar

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for the large board meeting.

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Part of that will be meeting rules as well.

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These are throughout conversation

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I've had with other CaaS as well as general counsel.

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And psycho which the chair and I attended.

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Some other considerations that won't necessarily

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be JPA or by law amendments.

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Just other considerations to move forward.

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I looking for direction in the next steps.

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As we're going through this, you do not

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need to wait till the fifth agenda item to ask questions.

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This is a dialog back and forth to see

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if we can get to a recommendation

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to the larger board this year.

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Next slide, please.

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Just a snapshot of where we are.

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I'll look at the top left there.

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So back in June we met.

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We talked about JPA structure.

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The first half of this discussion, today

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is the second half.

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We confirmed with the governance committee

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that voting issues will be deferred until the new members

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join the board.

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We are less than a year away.

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Then we did have some recommendations.

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I feel like we landed on some action items regarding,

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let's remove the associate members.

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They're there because of the Empire program.

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There's no activity.

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Every time we make an amendment to the JPA

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we contact all members, including the associates.

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I always get a call.

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>> It's confusing.

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>> It is.

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We also have landed on settle on only elected officials

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are going to be board members.

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That can be a JPA amendment that we take back to the larger board

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later this year.

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Then we touched on compensation.

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I think maybe mileage could be a substitute for let's say

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$100 meeting of attendance.

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I think that's something we could take to the larger board

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before we go to an amendment.

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We had a lot of discussion.

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Most of it on the voting.

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Which will be deferred until next year.

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>> One thing, John, like on those items and compensation

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for transportation and so forth.

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What I'd like to do is for this board

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to make a recommendation to the full board.

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So we can have that discussion here.

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We are not having to have a full blown start from scratch

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discussion there.

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That decision has to be made there.

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I'd really like to make so we are making that recommendation.

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>> My thought is, thanks for bringing that up chair,

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my thought is going to be at the end of this that we meet

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in September.

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This group.

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We'll talk about the first meeting and second meeting

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and what we want to do to take it to the board.

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So we'll be doing that in September.

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So staying on the left column there, so board discussion.

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We want to move the discussion from the governance committee

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to the board and we just touched on that and timing.

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To the top right, outreach.

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This is an eight JPA structure, but we just

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started the recruitment for five outreach specialists.

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We have Lisa and we have Gina.

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We have 26 communities to touch.

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We are going to be able to do that with the right staffing

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and we're already starting that recruitment.

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We've already touched many of these expansion communities

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already.

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And then as a reminder, we're ten months away

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from the new folks joining us.

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11 months.

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Next slide, please.

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I mentioned the ideas that we have for today.

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I talked to two of the larger Kas.

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One was in Los Angeles and another one in the Bay area.

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Counsel's office for ideas, as well as

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got some wealth of information from the folks at Sacog as well.

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The next slide, please.

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Let's first there is the first topic

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to address, regarding how to limit maybe

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the number of topics.

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How to make business more efficient with a large board.

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Is the consideration of committees.

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All of you know this, but we've got the wording in there

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that this and committees can be really

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powerful come as you know, that's why we're here today.

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So we do not have to take these issues

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to the board from scratch.

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And go through these long conversations.

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There's two types of committees: The standing committee,

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which this one is.

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Covering finance governance, operations, policy.

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The Brown Act.

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My last comment there was as we grow

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in size as well as the possibility of public comments.

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We could always if there's an item that

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isn't materially changed from the committee, then taken

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to the board.

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We could omit public comment.

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I think as I had a conversation with the chair

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before this, is probably better ways to say

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we'd like to put it in consent.

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>> I'd like to do that.

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Just put it on consent.

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I'm less inclined to disallow public comment.

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The concept is the same.

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And we've already fleshed out the issues

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and had the discussion at the committee level.

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So this is on consent and unless someone

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has a question or concern, then they can pull it

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and we can have that.

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>> So start disallowing public comment comment starts to erode

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transparency and trust.

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>> It is allowed but sometimes --

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>> We would have allowed public comment at the standing

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committee meeting.

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That's why we're able to.

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>> Nobody tracks the committee.

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You could tell by the community that's here to advise us today.

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>> Nobody tracks those.

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And oftentimes they only put you're going to get.

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And you know that.

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>> Just trying to clarify the record.

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>> Sometimes they are allowed, but doesn't mean

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they're the best practice.

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>> And to the right is the ad hoc committees, we have a few.

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As you know, these are narrow and topic

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and they're temporary are meant to be temporary.

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We have an exception to that.

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That is the industry procurement review committee,

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which is set up as an ad hoc committee.

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The last two years we have renewed it

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at the beginning of the year.

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As director Janet knows that committee as well.

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It's sensitive information.

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It would hurt us being able to close PPAs

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if we're putting that information out in the public.

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I've been talking with the general counsel on other ways

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that we can tighten that up.

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We'll bring those proposals to you later this year.

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>> It's not perceived that this is a recurring committee,

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and it should be Brown acted.

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So we're working with general counsel on that.

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>> That's David.

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>> That's someone else behind the current.

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>> The wizard behind the curtain.

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>> Firm behind me.

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>> That's right.

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>> The next slide please, Teresa.

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Just a review of our current committees.

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All of you at least have set on some of them

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that's why you're here on the governance.

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The Audit and Finance Committee where

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we oversee the audit, budgets, rates,

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and other significant events, such as prepaid.

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with the Audit and Finance Committee.

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We have an expansion committee, this is ad hoc.

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This is looking at sign on expansion opportunities.

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Get opinions as well as review and impact assessment study

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before it goes to the board.

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We have not met this year, because we put expansion

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on hold until we get through governance issues.

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That is a committee out there.

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I just talked about the energy Procurement Review Committee

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where we focus on power purchase agreements that

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are greater than five years or other power supply events.

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We have today's governance committee, which is Brown acted.

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We have a risk oversight committee

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that's more the staff level.

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We do not have board members on it.

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It's a very important meeting that we have every quarter.

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Looking at compliance with our energy risk management policy

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and voting members on there as myself,

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general counsel, otherwise known as David.

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And Brad our Director of Finance.

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Then the Community Advisory Committee.

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This start we first introduce programs a few years back.

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This committee reports directly to me.

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Currently, we meet about every other month.

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These are what I'd call proposed changes.

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These are just ideas, I want to get feedback on what works

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and what doesn't work.

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Audit and Finance Committee, I don't see any changes there.

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I think I like the scope there.

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It's brown active.

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The issues we talk about should be

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transparent in a active setting.

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I do not have any proposed changes there.

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I would like to get rid of and terminate the expansion.

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It's not because we're not going to ever expand again.

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I just think the topic -- we could really delete a committee

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and move that scope into the governance committee.

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And then I'd like to form or propose a new committee.

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Which would be the legislative and Regulatory Committee.

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Many CCAs do have one.

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This could be a group that meets 2 to 3 times a year.

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When we bring to you, for instance,

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the legislative and regulatory platform,

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there's a lot of work that goes behind that.

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That I think this committee could

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have value in having insight as well as input into that process.

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And so, height level is there to support the principal strategies

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and priorities of pioneer.

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Legislative and regulatory committee Committee.

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And then the last change I propose

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is I do not want to terminate the Community Advisory

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Committee.

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I know this is public meeting.

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I don't mind saying this.

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The current setup that we have has gone pretty stale.

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It's pretty much 5 to 7 folks show up every couple of months.

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We talk about programs.

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There's not a whole lot of creativity

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right now going on there.

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I think it's just because it's been pretty much

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the same setting, same folks number of years now.

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>> Run out of ideas, I think.

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>> That's fair.

292
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I'd like to shake this up.

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Make this a community advisory committee

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that's focused on outreach.

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Talking one of the larger CCAs down in Los Angeles,

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they have a community outreach or community advisory committee

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made up of two members from their various regions.

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It's a very large CC a.

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I think for us, we're going to have eight counties.

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I propose having two members, to citizens,

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have to be ratepayers too.

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That would be in each county to focus on outreach.

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Strategic partnerships.

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Again, programs.

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That is part of that discussion.

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And maybe sponsorship opportunities.

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And just give us a feel for what's

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going on there on assistant level and each county.

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This would be brown, I would propose.

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My thought here is in October is our next community

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advisory committee.

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I would form the current group of where we are going with this.

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Then probably by the end of the year

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when we know who the board members are

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going to be from the expansion territories,

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we could start the recruitment process

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to start filling up this committee.

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Idea, just to throw it out there, we can comment later.

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Just a change that I do propose on the community advisory.

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>> So the one thing on the committees is that and I mean

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the risk Oversight Committee and the Community Advisory Committee

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would not have board members on them.

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But as its proposed, there's four committees plus the ad hoc,

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five.

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My only concern there is making sure

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that we have enough people on each committee.

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With Sacog they've really made it through.

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Well, they have land use, transportation,

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and policy and innovation.

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They also have strategic planning.

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They are huge areas.

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They have a bigger board.

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It's like 38 people or some kind of crazy.

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Because my only concern about having more committees is we

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get enough people on them.

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So in the key cog world you only serve on one committee.

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In this world, there may be people

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that have to serve on multiple committees.

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Then it becomes difficult because maybe they

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don't have the time.

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That is my only concern.

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If you have too many --

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I mean, a board of 27.

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But you have to kind of figure out

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how many you're going to have on each committee.

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If you have too many committees, then you

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run the risk of just not having a quorum.

348
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>> With 27 you have four staff -- >> There's five committees.

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Five plus an ad hoc.

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Four.

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Four committees and one ad hoc.

352
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>> Even if you look at five, there's potential for five

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separate people for each committee.

354
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It's the numbers are there with the expansion.

355
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>> Yeah.

356
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>> The advisory committee to me is because you know there's no

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board members.

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I grew up with the three C and their whole .

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That body drove their community investment programs.

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They were way past light bulbs and air conditioners.

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They were doing investment in the communities.

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Doing solar farms.

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Doing a lot of stuff like that.

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That's what was the role of that community advisory.

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The thing is to give that body substantial work.

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To put somebody on a committee and not

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give them something really substantial to do

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will not bode well for the survival of our community.

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>> So the only thing is the community Advisory committee is

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comprised of community members.

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We have to be careful how much authority we give them.

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Because they are not accountable, we are.

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>> So everybody has to understand the role

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of the advisory committee.

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>> So they're not spending money.

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I know we have issues in the city of Auburn

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and advisable council.

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>> Council and what they think is a good idea.

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If you don't get that out there, right from the get go,

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you will get people that think --

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>> They're going to act as pioneer.

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And that is a concern.

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Because they're driving the bus and you're

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like where in the heck are we taking us?

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We did not sign up to go there.

386
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That is my only comment with regards

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to the committee membership is to ensure

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that we have enough people who are participating

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on the committees.

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That people don't have to double up unless they want to.

391
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I know there was a time where you and I were

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on every committee.

393
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It was like, o, you know, and that becomes a lot.

394
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And to be cognizant of that.

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>> And through the chair recall that the committee is made up

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of the chairs of the other committees.

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That takes care of part of it.

398
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You only need to staff two committees.

399
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>> Audit.

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>>

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[Cross-talk]

402
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>> I don't know if you've thought about the number

403
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of folks that you want on the committees.

404
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You all guys come from boards with five.

405
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You're probably very comfortable with that.

406
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And our new members will as well.

407
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>> Five is fine.

408
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As long as you can have a quorum.

409
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What you want to do is run a situation

410
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where now someone is missing.

411
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>> That's an easy one to get.

412
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Usually three out of five you can get.

413
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There's a flip side to this too.

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Staff to support these.

415
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>> That's 100%.

416
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And that's the thing they have to be staff.

417
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These committees can run on their own.

418
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I actually see the energy Procurement Committee is in here

419
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and that's our ad hoc.

420
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In any event, just food for thought.

421
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Five people.

422
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The other thing with the committees

423
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is that it would be great.

424
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I do not remember what the time frame was.

425
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If you took that note from Secog.

426
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They have a planning session where

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people say I'd like to sit on these committees.

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Everything kind of happens in September.

429
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They plan and they have a calendar for all the committee

430
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meetings.

431
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Everything is all done.

432
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The planning starts in September and then

433
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by January the new administration starts.

434
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New board everything is already mapped out.

435
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The committee schedule, the board meeting schedule,

436
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everything is there.

437
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Maintenance is already budgeted into board meeting.

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Kind of do that one of your reports,

439
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but budget's always time of year.

440
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So people can kind of look at what is happening.

441
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Having that planning.

442
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See cog does a lot of planning..

443
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Their model works pretty darn good.

444
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>> If you have a board that big that's what you spend your time

445
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doing.

446
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>> Yes it's planning.

447
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>> And it's how you use that board.

448
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It's a heavy lift.

449
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>> It's a heavy lift.

450
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>> 2 or 3 staff.

451
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>> Absolutely.

452
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They have a bigger staff sure.

453
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>> I do not mean to jump around.

454
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If we're going with the audit and finance at the legend and we

455
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have the governance committee already and then the industry

456
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procurement.

457
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If we and this would help Teresa out a lot.

458
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I'm not speaking for Teresa, she's here.

459
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But to schedule these meetings at the beginning.

460
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>> I agree.

461
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>> September was really the big planning time.

462
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Where the chair and the staff got together and said,

463
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okay, let's look at the committee structure.

464
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What are these committees going to meet?

465
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Well they don't meet every single month, not all of them

466
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meet every month.

467
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There's some months you don't have to meet.

468
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Everything is done.

469
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And then you get your schedule.

470
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Then the invites go out for the committees.

471
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And the invites and you know and generate your assigned

472
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to your committee.

473
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You already know what the schedule

474
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is for the meeting for the board and for those committees.

475
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It makes things a lot easier.

476
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And the fact that we're going to have to do some of our meetings

477
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remotely, because we're probably establish a remote office

478
00:22:06,361 --> 00:22:08,761
at the county seat.

479
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For each region so it's just always our doing a notice.

480
00:22:15,721 --> 00:22:18,361
It is almost like we should automatically.

481
00:22:18,361 --> 00:22:22,461
If somebody says, oh yeah, I'm going to do my remotely,

482
00:22:22,461 --> 00:22:24,823
we've already noticed it it's already taken care of.

483
00:22:24,823 --> 00:22:29,161
Just trying to get it into the practice of it for my then

484
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you're not having to ask every time.

485
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Are you going to be remote?

486
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Because it has 27 people.

487
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If we always have notice that if a board member wants to do that,

488
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we've already noticed.

489
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>> Without the board members joining yet,

490
00:22:46,193 --> 00:22:49,521
maybe an exercise you want to start this fall?

491
00:22:49,521 --> 00:22:51,521
You know planning.

492
00:22:53,201 --> 00:22:55,721
>> Planning for the meetings, I think we should.

493
00:22:55,721 --> 00:22:59,321
We should go through the motion.

494
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[Cross-talk] We will get together and Don and I can map

495
00:23:04,401 --> 00:23:06,440
out something and bring it to this committee.

496
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,330
I think we should.

497
00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:09,761
We definitely need to do that.

498
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It is a dry run.

499
00:23:13,201 --> 00:23:15,201
Yes, absolutely.

500
00:23:16,401 --> 00:23:20,937
>> Yes, I think the more we present to the new board members

501
00:23:20,937 --> 00:23:24,933
about this is how we think this could work.

502
00:23:24,933 --> 00:23:29,680
The better rather than making that up or chasing it as we go.

503
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The other piece to it that I was thinking about this comet what

504
00:23:32,236 --> 00:23:33,861
we're calling the governance committee,

505
00:23:33,861 --> 00:23:38,661
a lot of organizations would call the executive .

506
00:24:05,781 --> 00:24:07,681
Call me anything late for a dinner.

507
00:24:07,681 --> 00:24:09,214
I don't care what you name things.

508
00:24:09,214 --> 00:24:11,261
If it was the executive committee,

509
00:24:11,261 --> 00:24:17,321
it also opens it up to take on issues that surface immediately.

510
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Whether if you don't want to form an ad hoc committee

511
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that I would turn to our council for advice

512
00:24:23,489 --> 00:24:25,249
on how to articulate that.

513
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It would open the door for other things as they popped up.

514
00:24:31,558 --> 00:24:33,141
>> It could be for strategic planning.

515
00:24:33,141 --> 00:24:35,991
It could fit under the executive committee.

516
00:24:35,991 --> 00:24:40,321
I think that that is something that we could also

517
00:24:40,321 --> 00:24:42,361
achieve in committee as well.

518
00:24:42,361 --> 00:24:45,841
As much as we can get done in committee, the better.

519
00:24:45,841 --> 00:24:49,700
It doesn't mean you put the strategic plan on consent.

520
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:54,407
But I think you can Commonwealth sometimes, I don't.

521
00:24:54,721 --> 00:24:56,801
>> I'm sure people have.

522
00:24:56,801 --> 00:24:59,751
>> I think if you can get the work done in the committee

523
00:24:59,751 --> 00:25:02,751
and then you're presentations --

524
00:25:03,503 --> 00:25:05,515
I mean, you know.

525
00:25:05,515 --> 00:25:11,515
I know Secog does strategic plan as a separate committee.

526
00:25:12,941 --> 00:25:14,940
Again they are 38.

527
00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:16,761
We can try it out and if something doesn't work for us,

528
00:25:16,761 --> 00:25:18,761
we can change.

529
00:25:18,921 --> 00:25:23,841
>> I think I like the idea of the executive committee

530
00:25:23,841 --> 00:25:27,900
because clearly things pop >> I think we're talking about is

531
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:30,201
actually giving some final decision making authority

532
00:25:30,201 --> 00:25:32,441
to an executive committee.

533
00:25:32,441 --> 00:25:35,730
>> I don't know about final decision making.

534
00:25:35,730 --> 00:25:37,473
We have a board.

535
00:25:37,811 --> 00:25:41,761
I am not a big fan of having somebody decide

536
00:25:41,761 --> 00:25:44,161
without consulting the board.

537
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:48,567
>> Maybe just the ability to have -- >> Broader scope.

538
00:25:48,567 --> 00:25:50,967
A broader meeting scope.

539
00:25:51,201 --> 00:25:55,401
>> A current committee and we could decide.

540
00:25:56,361 --> 00:25:58,721
>> I think the liberty piece.

541
00:25:58,721 --> 00:26:01,460
That just dropped out of the sky.

542
00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:03,627
>> That could be something that you could talk about

543
00:26:03,627 --> 00:26:07,758
the executive committee and then we could bring it to the full --

544
00:26:07,758 --> 00:26:11,231
>> I was thinking for certain contracts that are beyond

545
00:26:11,231 --> 00:26:15,329
the ccos spending authority, but maybe not super large.

546
00:26:15,329 --> 00:26:19,100
Maybe some room in there for example.

547
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:21,441
>> Executive committee over audit and finance?

548
00:26:21,441 --> 00:26:23,454
>> Maybe audit and finance.

549
00:26:23,454 --> 00:26:25,441
>> We could look up policies.

550
00:26:25,441 --> 00:26:26,901
We could put a policy in place.

551
00:26:26,901 --> 00:26:31,620
What that could be is something the committee discusses.

552
00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:37,401
Then decide as we have a board -- >> It have to be approved.

553
00:26:37,401 --> 00:26:42,201
>> As we go on, I read your presentation.

554
00:26:44,521 --> 00:26:46,921
>> I've read it too.

555
00:26:48,921 --> 00:26:51,139
>> There's some important pieces there.

556
00:26:51,139 --> 00:26:52,431
>> Will let him continue there.

557
00:26:52,431 --> 00:26:54,431
I got sidelined.

558
00:26:55,321 --> 00:26:59,441
>> Great ideas kind of sort this out what the next step

559
00:26:59,441 --> 00:27:00,467
discussion.

560
00:27:00,467 --> 00:27:02,467
Next slide, please.

561
00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:06,161
These are other board meeting suggestions.

562
00:27:06,161 --> 00:27:10,731
Most of these ideas came from doctors office.

563
00:27:10,731 --> 00:27:13,131
Such as public comment.

564
00:27:14,121 --> 00:27:15,541
Just makes sense.

565
00:27:15,541 --> 00:27:18,105
Will have more committees right now

566
00:27:18,105 --> 00:27:20,772
public comments are not an issue for us.

567
00:27:20,772 --> 00:27:22,920
Could be as we move forward.

568
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,841
The suggestion was 1 to 4 requests

569
00:27:25,841 --> 00:27:27,268
equals four minutes per speaker.

570
00:27:27,268 --> 00:27:30,393
I've talked to the chair before this comment maybe it's

571
00:27:30,393 --> 00:27:33,890
just simpler to make it three minutes as a standard.

572
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:35,662
And there's a large amount of people.

573
00:27:35,662 --> 00:27:38,204
>> We could drop it down to two minutes if we have some item.

574
00:27:38,204 --> 00:27:41,621
I think it's tough to just say we have four

575
00:27:41,621 --> 00:27:44,758
but someone just said they wanted to do one.

576
00:27:44,758 --> 00:27:48,824
I like just the generic three minutes.

577
00:27:48,824 --> 00:27:52,410
If we need to make it to comment because we know

578
00:27:52,410 --> 00:27:53,561
we have a whole room full of people

579
00:27:53,561 --> 00:27:55,728
comment we could set that at the time of the meeting

580
00:27:55,728 --> 00:27:59,810
to save public comment will only be two minutes.

581
00:27:59,810 --> 00:28:02,810
>> What we do in Rockland, not that we often have public

582
00:28:02,810 --> 00:28:06,580
comment, but it might be hard to do it remote.

583
00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:07,433
Maybe there's some electronic way

584
00:28:07,433 --> 00:28:09,871
when we have people at least when they log in register

585
00:28:09,871 --> 00:28:12,447
and say, I'd like to make a comment or whatever.

586
00:28:12,447 --> 00:28:14,410
So we have a rough idea.

587
00:28:14,410 --> 00:28:16,390
It doesn't prevent someone from last minute

588
00:28:16,390 --> 00:28:17,331
coming in and making a comment.

589
00:28:17,331 --> 00:28:18,851
There's always an opportunity.

590
00:28:18,851 --> 00:28:21,947
At least there's a gauge up front.

591
00:28:21,947 --> 00:28:24,641
What you're going to get into.

592
00:28:24,641 --> 00:28:26,281
>> And it's helpful.

593
00:28:26,281 --> 00:28:28,515
>> It's going to be a whole lot.

594
00:28:28,515 --> 00:28:31,570
>> A lot of cities who have a large number of public comments

595
00:28:31,570 --> 00:28:34,281
have started to have 30 minutes of public comment

596
00:28:34,281 --> 00:28:37,490
at the beginning and then anybody who didn't get

597
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:40,490
to comment at the end.

598
00:28:40,441 --> 00:28:41,756
>> At the end.

599
00:28:41,756 --> 00:28:43,881
>> Unfortunately we don't have the issue right now.

600
00:28:43,881 --> 00:28:48,461
If we do not have the procedure in place when they do arise.

601
00:28:48,461 --> 00:28:50,221
>> I think it's a good beginning.

602
00:28:50,221 --> 00:28:53,473
>> That's the kind of thing that I think this committee should be

603
00:28:53,473 --> 00:28:54,585
fleshing out.

604
00:28:54,585 --> 00:28:57,467
I would say public comment is three minutes.

605
00:28:57,467 --> 00:29:01,656
If you have a packed room, then maybe two minutes.

606
00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:05,987
Then we have a policy that says that exactly.

607
00:29:05,987 --> 00:29:08,707
If we have got some big item on the agenda

608
00:29:08,707 --> 00:29:11,721
we know is going to warrant a lot of public comment comment

609
00:29:11,721 --> 00:29:15,290
we can do 30 minutes in the beginning and then do the rest.

610
00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:18,224
I do not know we might have a situation when that arises.

611
00:29:18,224 --> 00:29:20,492
We can at least have that in place.

612
00:29:20,492 --> 00:29:22,340
It's better to have the rule in place

613
00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:24,183
than trying to make it up on the fly.

614
00:29:24,183 --> 00:29:27,281
That does not go over well with people.

615
00:29:27,281 --> 00:29:30,449
>> I've also seen that used in other cities.

616
00:29:30,449 --> 00:29:32,849
To limit public comment.

617
00:29:33,934 --> 00:29:37,410
>> I don't want to limit it.

618
00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:37,783
>> No.

619
00:29:37,783 --> 00:29:40,281
It's never to limit the public comment.

620
00:29:40,281 --> 00:29:44,231
It's to ensure that the business of the agency gets done.

621
00:29:44,231 --> 00:29:48,881
Everybody who gets to and wants to speak has a chance to.

622
00:29:48,881 --> 00:29:51,810
>> Then you'll be around for three hours.

623
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:54,429
>> The reality in my mind is you only invoke that when you need

624
00:29:54,429 --> 00:29:54,929
to.

625
00:29:54,929 --> 00:29:58,241
And a normal meeting you're not going to say, only 30 minutes

626
00:29:58,241 --> 00:30:00,241
public comment.

627
00:30:02,294 --> 00:30:04,294
[Cross-talk]

628
00:30:05,126 --> 00:30:08,670
>> It's not on a specific really.

629
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:10,481
>> Not that many people come out.

630
00:30:10,481 --> 00:30:11,633
>> You never know.

631
00:30:11,633 --> 00:30:13,481
People might start to.

632
00:30:13,481 --> 00:30:16,161
>> Actually limit the amount of comment on specific items.

633
00:30:16,161 --> 00:30:18,441
None of my clients do that.

634
00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:21,921
No we just limit the general.

635
00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:26,481
>> What I'm hearing is possible on the clock.

636
00:30:26,481 --> 00:30:28,410
>> We'll do three minutes.

637
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:29,721
There's a timer.

638
00:30:29,721 --> 00:30:31,721
>> A buzzer.

639
00:30:32,241 --> 00:30:34,241
>> Three minutes.

640
00:30:36,322 --> 00:30:38,322
[Laughter]

641
00:30:39,408 --> 00:30:41,741
>> For the board member comments, I think at this point,

642
00:30:41,741 --> 00:30:45,533
I'm not inclined to put restrictions like that on them.

643
00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:51,841
Simply because then you have to rely on, did so and so speak?

644
00:30:51,841 --> 00:30:54,401
We've got 27 people and I don't remember.

645
00:30:54,401 --> 00:30:55,881
Greg you already talked.

646
00:30:55,881 --> 00:30:59,501
No comment wasn't me, it was Fred.

647
00:30:59,501 --> 00:31:04,410
>> You could take this and say let's bring it back.

648
00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:07,861
The chair can bring it back and if someone's dominating,

649
00:31:07,861 --> 00:31:09,497
they just don't call that person.

650
00:31:09,497 --> 00:31:12,497
Susan, we have a Susan.

651
00:31:12,729 --> 00:31:16,929
Let's let someone else have a turn.

652
00:31:16,981 --> 00:31:20,290
You simply don't call on Sally.

653
00:31:20,290 --> 00:31:24,754
I think we can govern that piece of it.

654
00:31:24,754 --> 00:31:29,554
As opposed to -- >> Not all chairs are.

655
00:31:31,907 --> 00:31:34,881
>> Or as skilled as we are fortunate to have.

656
00:31:34,881 --> 00:31:37,441
I've seen people lose that a lot.

657
00:31:37,441 --> 00:31:40,967
Because they're not willing to insert and run a meeting.

658
00:31:40,967 --> 00:31:43,860
I don't think we need to do it either.

659
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:45,107
I do believe it can be managed.

660
00:31:45,107 --> 00:31:48,851
We do not know what we're going to get with 27 people.

661
00:31:48,851 --> 00:31:53,510
We might get and you never know.

662
00:31:54,121 --> 00:31:59,440
>> It can be a matter of policy, but not -- >> --

663
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,427
I don't want to make it a policy.

664
00:32:02,427 --> 00:32:03,788
>> A matter of procedure.

665
00:32:03,788 --> 00:32:06,188
A matter of custom.

666
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:10,421
>> This is one of those where I'd want it to be a problem

667
00:32:10,421 --> 00:32:12,141
before I came up with a policy.

668
00:32:12,141 --> 00:32:16,161
Just because, again, your chair and even members

669
00:32:16,161 --> 00:32:18,857
can bring it back and say point of order.

670
00:32:18,857 --> 00:32:20,521
Mr. Chairman.

671
00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:22,313
I'd really like an opportunity for everyone

672
00:32:22,313 --> 00:32:23,841
to have something to say.

673
00:32:23,841 --> 00:32:26,241
We can self-govern that a little bit before you

674
00:32:26,241 --> 00:32:30,210
try to make someone figure out, you spoke for two minutes

675
00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:32,421
and you coughed for a minute and a half.

676
00:32:32,421 --> 00:32:35,421
So your time is up.

677
00:32:35,641 --> 00:32:38,374
>> Solve a problem that doesn't exist.

678
00:32:38,374 --> 00:32:43,721
>> On that part, I felt like I think we can govern that

679
00:32:43,721 --> 00:32:44,273
in-house.

680
00:32:44,273 --> 00:32:47,387
If it really becomes a problem or we

681
00:32:47,387 --> 00:32:53,987
have somebody that will not yield, then we talk about it.

682
00:32:54,281 --> 00:32:56,800
>> Since you participate remotely on occasion,

683
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,293
how do you feel?

684
00:32:58,293 --> 00:33:01,101
I think a large part of these people might be remote.

685
00:33:01,101 --> 00:33:04,767
How does the flow of making sure we include --

686
00:33:04,767 --> 00:33:07,767
>> You want to engage people.

687
00:33:10,881 --> 00:33:12,681
>> Because it's a different.

688
00:33:12,681 --> 00:33:14,313
>> It's very different.

689
00:33:14,313 --> 00:33:17,387
>> If you have a lot of people that are zooming in, there has

690
00:33:17,387 --> 00:33:19,101
to be some changes to the process,

691
00:33:19,101 --> 00:33:23,461
whether it's raise your hand, do the signal thing that you want

692
00:33:23,461 --> 00:33:24,167
to speak.

693
00:33:24,167 --> 00:33:29,721
There needs to be some protocols in there to make that easier.

694
00:33:29,721 --> 00:33:32,801
Then the other piece is to make sure that everybody

695
00:33:32,801 --> 00:33:35,201
uses their own technology.

696
00:33:35,467 --> 00:33:38,587
>> They have to be able to do that.

697
00:33:38,587 --> 00:33:43,251
>> Can you clarify for me councilor the ability

698
00:33:43,251 --> 00:33:45,251
to participate remotely.

699
00:33:47,201 --> 00:33:49,914
I thought we had this conversation

700
00:33:49,914 --> 00:33:52,601
about you could do it a number of times a year

701
00:33:52,601 --> 00:33:55,100
and under certain situations.

702
00:33:55,521 --> 00:33:56,961
>> We were taught the notice.

703
00:33:56,961 --> 00:33:59,783
If you notice that it's going to be open

704
00:33:59,783 --> 00:34:03,393
is a seated placer County, if you're going to have

705
00:34:03,393 --> 00:34:05,810
and it's always notice.

706
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:07,741
There's no limit on how many times you participate.

707
00:34:07,741 --> 00:34:10,741
It's noticed on the agenda.

708
00:34:10,841 --> 00:34:13,294
>> That's how we do it with Nevada City.

709
00:34:13,294 --> 00:34:15,987
We posted on the agenda.

710
00:34:15,987 --> 00:34:18,841
>> It doesn't matter how many times you do it.

711
00:34:18,841 --> 00:34:21,281
>> And there are other exceptions that would allow

712
00:34:21,281 --> 00:34:24,841
members to Zoom in without having to post their location.

713
00:34:24,841 --> 00:34:29,410
That one is specific to Multijurisdictional bodies.

714
00:34:29,761 --> 00:34:31,663
>> Over 400 miles or something.

715
00:34:31,663 --> 00:34:34,121
>> There's all sorts of rules about it I think twice a year

716
00:34:34,121 --> 00:34:35,521
maybe.

717
00:34:35,521 --> 00:34:39,576
>> It's twice a year and there's a mileage >> There's a just

718
00:34:39,576 --> 00:34:41,951
cause exception if you're sick or if you're in caregiving

719
00:34:41,951 --> 00:34:42,451
duties.

720
00:34:42,451 --> 00:34:45,561
There's a couple different exceptions that would apply.

721
00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:47,618
>> I got tangled up.

722
00:34:47,618 --> 00:34:50,451
I was sick and I did notice and I could participate

723
00:34:50,451 --> 00:34:53,441
because I had just cause.

724
00:34:53,441 --> 00:34:55,441
>> Yeah.

725
00:34:57,590 --> 00:34:59,480
>> If you're in Hawaii on vacation,

726
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,966
that does not fit the just cause.

727
00:35:01,966 --> 00:35:04,591
>> Unless you are traveling on business to Hawaii for the city.

728
00:35:04,591 --> 00:35:07,745
Attending National League of cities and it was Hawaii.

729
00:35:07,745 --> 00:35:09,953
>> If Nevada City was paying for you to go to Hawaii.

730
00:35:09,953 --> 00:35:12,814
I would have other things.

731
00:35:12,814 --> 00:35:16,481
>> I participated because I was in Hawaii as city council

732
00:35:16,481 --> 00:35:17,875
on Zoom.

733
00:35:17,875 --> 00:35:20,275
And DC as well.

734
00:35:20,663 --> 00:35:22,663
More for portraits.

735
00:35:23,934 --> 00:35:25,494
>> I'm good.

736
00:35:25,494 --> 00:35:28,601
>> We're trying to make it easy for you, Teresa.

737
00:35:28,601 --> 00:35:31,601
>> That's why we're adding 27 members.

738
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:33,371
>> Teresa is going to have help.

739
00:35:33,371 --> 00:35:36,201
We're going to get her help.

740
00:35:36,201 --> 00:35:40,540
>> We've got good direction on A and b.

741
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:43,361
C and this will be interesting.

742
00:35:43,361 --> 00:35:45,171
We do follow the Robert's Rules of Order.

743
00:35:45,171 --> 00:35:47,769
I know the chair is very diligent with those.

744
00:35:47,769 --> 00:35:49,731
The idea of a parliamentarian.

745
00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:52,141
This is a procedural advisory.

746
00:35:52,141 --> 00:35:54,769
It could be general advisor fills that role.

747
00:35:54,769 --> 00:35:59,881
Could be a board >> General counsel is usually what it is.

748
00:35:59,881 --> 00:36:06,481
>> Something -- >> Has to -- >> He didn't have a strong board

749
00:36:08,301 --> 00:36:09,561
chair.

750
00:36:09,561 --> 00:36:13,270
>> We are committed to continued use of Robert's.

751
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:14,388
>> That's what we use.

752
00:36:14,388 --> 00:36:15,791
There are others.

753
00:36:15,791 --> 00:36:17,441
Rosenberg's rules.

754
00:36:17,441 --> 00:36:19,841
We have used Robert's.

755
00:36:20,427 --> 00:36:23,121
We have not had any problem.

756
00:36:23,121 --> 00:36:25,801
Who knows what's going to happen.

757
00:36:25,801 --> 00:36:28,195
>> I work with a lot of clerks and staff.

758
00:36:28,195 --> 00:36:31,987
In fact, I just had a webinar and presented a webinar

759
00:36:31,987 --> 00:36:33,793
with two clerks on a managing board.

760
00:36:33,793 --> 00:36:38,370
They put out the legal aspects of Energy board.

761
00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:40,633
When did the Brown act and one did

762
00:36:40,633 --> 00:36:45,100
onboarding and rules of conduct and I did how it really works.

763
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,145
The relationship part of it.

764
00:36:47,145 --> 00:36:50,841
The clerks these days are all Rosenberg.

765
00:36:50,841 --> 00:36:53,585
>> They like it because it is a simplified version.

766
00:36:53,585 --> 00:36:56,649
It is based on Robert's rules.

767
00:36:56,649 --> 00:37:00,810
But it is a little simplified.

768
00:37:00,810 --> 00:37:04,881
Robert's rules is maybe they have 20 different motions

769
00:37:06,961 --> 00:37:08,911
or what have you.

770
00:37:08,911 --> 00:37:10,911
Rosenberg's maybe has 14.

771
00:37:11,995 --> 00:37:14,995
Is just a little simpler.

772
00:37:15,851 --> 00:37:18,251
Wouldn't you agree, David?

773
00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:20,594
>> Robert's rules, my understanding,

774
00:37:20,594 --> 00:37:22,889
is basically created for Parliament.

775
00:37:22,889 --> 00:37:26,793
It is really more focused on very large assemblies.

776
00:37:26,793 --> 00:37:29,193
It is highly complicated.

777
00:37:29,421 --> 00:37:33,210
Rosenberg was a revision for California.

778
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:38,661
>> The city of Auburn just adopted Rosenberg.

779
00:37:38,661 --> 00:37:42,761
I know Robert, so I don't care.

780
00:37:42,761 --> 00:37:44,681
>> It's a pain.

781
00:37:44,681 --> 00:37:47,681
>> Technically, we have adopted Robert's.

782
00:37:48,401 --> 00:37:52,100
>> Our attorney, when he came on, we switched over.

783
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,201
>> For me we use Rosenberg.

784
00:37:54,201 --> 00:37:57,801
>> We haven't noticed any different thing.

785
00:38:00,257 --> 00:38:02,549
>> It's rare that a body is going to get into the weeds

786
00:38:02,549 --> 00:38:03,801
of parliamentary procedure.

787
00:38:03,801 --> 00:38:05,418
I know when I was Soroptimist and I

788
00:38:05,418 --> 00:38:07,961
would go to the conventions, we would not

789
00:38:07,961 --> 00:38:09,769
dip into that Robert's rules.

790
00:38:09,769 --> 00:38:11,673
I was like, that door over there I

791
00:38:11,673 --> 00:38:15,873
didn't even know it >> Where he said

792
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:17,181
on board it has two experts.

793
00:38:17,181 --> 00:38:18,331
>> I know.

794
00:38:18,331 --> 00:38:22,525
We had this parliamentarian who was like beehive.

795
00:38:22,525 --> 00:38:24,337
She was there.

796
00:38:24,337 --> 00:38:27,174
She set up there with the international president.

797
00:38:27,174 --> 00:38:28,695
Out of order!

798
00:38:28,695 --> 00:38:31,731
I promise not to do that.

799
00:38:31,731 --> 00:38:33,731
In any event.

800
00:38:36,361 --> 00:38:40,153
>> So something we will keep with the possible change

801
00:38:40,153 --> 00:38:42,657
in the rule of order, but not for now.

802
00:38:42,657 --> 00:38:47,890
Code of conduct, civility rules, these are guidelines.

803
00:38:47,890 --> 00:38:49,694
I do believe with some of our expansion members

804
00:38:49,694 --> 00:38:53,327
I met a few potential board members already.

805
00:38:53,327 --> 00:38:57,401
I think some sort of guidelines put in place before they join.

806
00:38:57,401 --> 00:38:59,931
I'm not going to name names to protect the guilty.

807
00:38:59,931 --> 00:39:05,181
There are some guidelines I'd like to put in there.

808
00:39:05,181 --> 00:39:05,681
[Cross-talk]

809
00:39:05,681 --> 00:39:08,974
>> They make El Dorado look like --

810
00:39:08,974 --> 00:39:13,451
>> Especially when you talk about the public and board

811
00:39:13,451 --> 00:39:13,951
members.

812
00:39:13,951 --> 00:39:16,100
Board members should not be talking to the media.

813
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:20,430
Your chair is your spokesperson with your CEO and Janet

814
00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:21,357
and so forth.

815
00:39:21,357 --> 00:39:23,721
That's where the communication comes.

816
00:39:23,721 --> 00:39:26,100
It's not the chair on her own.

817
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:29,383
After Gina provides comments or what have you.

818
00:39:29,383 --> 00:39:31,249
I think that is really important.

819
00:39:31,249 --> 00:39:35,385
I think we'll need to include that in our board orientation.

820
00:39:35,385 --> 00:39:38,794
That if media is calling about a minor issue,

821
00:39:38,794 --> 00:39:43,920
they need to defer to the CEO or what have you.

822
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,823
We have to have a process.

823
00:39:44,823 --> 00:39:49,570
We do not need them out there providing incorrect information.

824
00:39:49,570 --> 00:39:52,100
Then we are doing crisis communication.

825
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,401
That is no fun.

826
00:39:54,841 --> 00:39:59,521
>> We have a handbook and rock and for all new council members

827
00:39:59,521 --> 00:40:00,649
and all committee members.

828
00:40:00,649 --> 00:40:03,131
And the airport we've got a handbook.

829
00:40:03,131 --> 00:40:05,407
I think it's good to have something.

830
00:40:05,407 --> 00:40:08,103
It can be brief but laying everything out.

831
00:40:08,103 --> 00:40:10,449
So that we're on the same page and they

832
00:40:10,449 --> 00:40:11,945
understand what the rule is.

833
00:40:11,945 --> 00:40:14,336
What the processes are.

834
00:40:14,336 --> 00:40:16,378
>> And we're going to talk about the other issues

835
00:40:16,378 --> 00:40:17,347
and the orientation.

836
00:40:17,347 --> 00:40:19,937
The orientation is really important.

837
00:40:19,937 --> 00:40:22,227
We will get to that.

838
00:40:22,227 --> 00:40:24,641
>> That's great to hear on that.

839
00:40:24,641 --> 00:40:26,227
>> Absolutely.

840
00:40:26,227 --> 00:40:29,426
>> As we've talked about there's 100% chance we're going to have

841
00:40:29,426 --> 00:40:32,241
a teleconferencing as part of our board meeting.

842
00:40:32,241 --> 00:40:36,848
Due to the geographic size comment Mr. Ponce and others.

843
00:40:36,848 --> 00:40:38,931
We're going to have to work with those communities

844
00:40:38,931 --> 00:40:41,421
to find those central locations.

845
00:40:41,421 --> 00:40:43,821
Get the proper posting.

846
00:40:43,901 --> 00:40:45,991
I think community outreach specialists

847
00:40:45,991 --> 00:40:47,741
that we're going to have that are assigned

848
00:40:47,741 --> 00:40:53,741
to certain territories, they'll be part of that process too.

849
00:40:53,894 --> 00:40:57,347
>> Will stay connected to those areas?

850
00:40:57,347 --> 00:40:58,601
>> Yes.

851
00:40:58,601 --> 00:41:00,601
>> Conduit for information.

852
00:41:00,681 --> 00:41:03,305
>> They become an expert in that area.

853
00:41:03,305 --> 00:41:04,137
Yeah.

854
00:41:04,137 --> 00:41:06,137
100% agree.

855
00:41:06,961 --> 00:41:08,761
>> Great feedback on this one.

856
00:41:08,761 --> 00:41:11,161
These are other issues.

857
00:41:11,369 --> 00:41:16,301
These are not necessarily bylaws or JPA amendment action

858
00:41:16,301 --> 00:41:17,946
items out of this.

859
00:41:17,946 --> 00:41:21,141
This is sort of my safety net for other ideas

860
00:41:21,141 --> 00:41:23,814
that didn't quite fit in the other slides.

861
00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:28,705
A lot of this came from our conversations with secog.

862
00:41:28,705 --> 00:41:31,705
Just talking about board orientation.

863
00:41:32,625 --> 00:41:35,361
Like at the end of this calendar year, we

864
00:41:35,361 --> 00:41:38,237
need to know who the new board members are going to be.

865
00:41:38,237 --> 00:41:41,467
Then the first six months of next year, staff and myself

866
00:41:41,467 --> 00:41:45,321
are going to be very busy meeting these folks.

867
00:41:45,321 --> 00:41:48,769
>> They can check in on meetings and listen and wander and see

868
00:41:48,769 --> 00:41:50,769
how things go.

869
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:55,401
>> But board orientation, not just for our new onboarding.

870
00:41:55,401 --> 00:41:57,401
The new jurisdictions.

871
00:41:58,101 --> 00:42:01,801
What Sacog does and Don and I like this idea

872
00:42:01,801 --> 00:42:05,801
is that after each election and twice during a four year term,

873
00:42:05,801 --> 00:42:07,741
you have a board orientation.

874
00:42:07,741 --> 00:42:12,809
Where maybe you're meeting three times before our board meeting

875
00:42:12,809 --> 00:42:16,669
maybe there's an hour meeting before that for an orientation.

876
00:42:16,669 --> 00:42:21,201
So after they've been newly appointed, this is what it is.

877
00:42:21,201 --> 00:42:22,761
They don't do it every year.

878
00:42:22,761 --> 00:42:26,507
Generally with the elections and so forth and people turn.

879
00:42:26,507 --> 00:42:30,153
So that's a really great idea that we learned.

880
00:42:30,153 --> 00:42:33,650
So that's like every other year.

881
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:36,913
Then they do the off site retreats, which we've done.

882
00:42:36,913 --> 00:42:40,777
We visited geysers and there's a trip Diablo..

883
00:42:40,777 --> 00:42:44,377
Maybe doing those every other year.

884
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,441
Because we're going to be so big.

885
00:42:47,441 --> 00:42:49,721
There we're not doing them maybe to do an off site

886
00:42:49,721 --> 00:42:53,521
retreat, which really be your strategic planning session.

887
00:42:53,521 --> 00:42:55,377
Maybe a half day kind of thing.

888
00:42:55,377 --> 00:42:57,477
Where we can talk about.

889
00:42:57,477 --> 00:42:59,531
Maybe it's every other year.

890
00:42:59,531 --> 00:43:02,591
So we're not doing it every year and we're not planning

891
00:43:02,591 --> 00:43:04,340
trips every year either.

892
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:08,361
We are limited in the number of staff that we have.

893
00:43:08,361 --> 00:43:10,409
Those are big things.

894
00:43:10,409 --> 00:43:12,553
Trips and off site retreats.

895
00:43:12,553 --> 00:43:16,915
It works well with Sacog to frog jump those.

896
00:43:16,915 --> 00:43:18,747
Whatever you want to call it.

897
00:43:18,747 --> 00:43:22,669
Then we do not have to plan a trip every year to Caiso.

898
00:43:22,669 --> 00:43:24,401
Maybe it's whatever.

899
00:43:24,401 --> 00:43:26,801
I like that idea.

900
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:29,490
>> I want to talk about board orientation.

901
00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:32,490
I did not get much.

902
00:43:34,761 --> 00:43:36,201
>> I apologize.

903
00:43:36,201 --> 00:43:40,106
>> We already knew >> I knew a lot.

904
00:43:40,106 --> 00:43:41,648
A lot of people come on board do not.

905
00:43:41,648 --> 00:43:45,121
There are two parts to it.

906
00:43:45,121 --> 00:43:48,121
There is a governance model.

907
00:43:48,281 --> 00:43:50,155
What's expected of me as a board member.

908
00:43:50,155 --> 00:43:52,921
Showing up in how we operate as a board.

909
00:43:52,921 --> 00:43:56,100
This is one of the more technical fields of work

910
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:59,570
that anybody is going to have governance over.

911
00:43:59,570 --> 00:44:03,145
And not have a clue about how this really works.

912
00:44:03,145 --> 00:44:06,561
Then I brought that with me.

913
00:44:06,561 --> 00:44:08,550
So it wasn't a problem.

914
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:10,371
I also knew that if I had a question

915
00:44:10,371 --> 00:44:12,921
I could just call you up and ask.

916
00:44:12,921 --> 00:44:18,801
How do we ground people in what it is that happens here

917
00:44:18,801 --> 00:44:20,463
and how it happens?

918
00:44:20,463 --> 00:44:22,378
It is a big deal.

919
00:44:22,378 --> 00:44:23,841
It is complicated.

920
00:44:23,841 --> 00:44:28,410
You're asking people to run $222 million budgets.

921
00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:33,857
You know, with all due respect, and I

922
00:44:35,147 --> 00:44:37,449
like this organization a lot.

923
00:44:37,449 --> 00:44:42,361
But it's just a given that we understand it.

924
00:44:42,361 --> 00:44:44,823
And I watch and not everybody does.

925
00:44:44,823 --> 00:44:48,309
But none of us want to look like we don't.

926
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:51,561
It is its own kind of trap, but it happens.

927
00:44:51,561 --> 00:44:55,329
I'm just really curious about how we bring people

928
00:44:55,329 --> 00:44:57,471
on to the technical side.

929
00:44:57,471 --> 00:45:00,471
Where the Goldilocks piece is.

930
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,121
Needing enough to know what you're

931
00:45:03,121 --> 00:45:04,337
doing to make good decisions.

932
00:45:04,337 --> 00:45:06,281
That's what we are here to do.

933
00:45:06,281 --> 00:45:09,241
Do I have the information I need to feel confident I'm

934
00:45:09,241 --> 00:45:11,221
making the right decision.

935
00:45:11,221 --> 00:45:13,721
>> Do you don't want to spend too much time during the board

936
00:45:13,721 --> 00:45:16,587
meeting -- >> Trying to learn it.

937
00:45:16,587 --> 00:45:18,801
>> To try to learn it.

938
00:45:18,801 --> 00:45:21,494
>> That's where the board orientation really needs to be.

939
00:45:21,494 --> 00:45:25,121
That needs to be fleshed out, so you get a packet.

940
00:45:25,121 --> 00:45:27,667
Sacog is very similar in that respect.

941
00:45:27,667 --> 00:45:30,410
Sacramento Area Council of Governance.

942
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:32,821
Transportation where we've got federal dollars

943
00:45:32,821 --> 00:45:34,731
state dollars, Megaregion.

944
00:45:34,731 --> 00:45:36,731
It is complicated.

945
00:45:37,281 --> 00:45:39,409
You're in there and you're like, what might

946
00:45:39,409 --> 00:45:42,358
the LG F and the F and this.

947
00:45:42,358 --> 00:45:44,509
How does this tie to this and what

948
00:45:44,509 --> 00:45:46,721
about my plastic hand transportation?

949
00:45:46,721 --> 00:45:48,581
They actually did this onboarding.

950
00:45:48,581 --> 00:45:51,907
Sort of every other year when the new members come on.

951
00:45:51,907 --> 00:45:55,585
Where we'd go for an hour or 2 or 3 for the meeting

952
00:45:55,585 --> 00:45:57,709
and they do the workshops with us to bring us up

953
00:45:57,709 --> 00:45:59,561
to speed on what does Sacog do.

954
00:45:59,561 --> 00:46:01,359
How does that interface with you.

955
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:03,526
What are the terms and what are the funding sources?

956
00:46:03,526 --> 00:46:05,801
What do you do as a member?

957
00:46:05,801 --> 00:46:07,681
It was very helpful.

958
00:46:07,681 --> 00:46:13,681
Yes, you are asked and I've got to fund $3.2 million

959
00:46:14,394 --> 00:46:16,794
to woodland for what?

960
00:46:17,409 --> 00:46:22,681
That really has to be in the board orientation materials.

961
00:46:22,681 --> 00:46:26,281
We have to have that structured.

962
00:46:26,705 --> 00:46:29,601
I think Don will also try to get out

963
00:46:29,601 --> 00:46:31,710
to meet with people individually.

964
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:35,350
I know that's the other thing that Sacog tries to do.

965
00:46:35,350 --> 00:46:38,361
To have an actual orientation with new members.

966
00:46:38,361 --> 00:46:43,601
They can kind of ask questions ask and say, do you get this?

967
00:46:43,601 --> 00:46:46,754
>> I was going to say, as the newest member of the board,

968
00:46:46,754 --> 00:46:48,870
I've gone through this recently.

969
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:50,610
Do you have Don and Gina come out

970
00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:52,541
and do that one on one meeting before I started.

971
00:46:52,541 --> 00:46:54,541
It is intimidating.

972
00:46:54,761 --> 00:46:57,861
Knowing nothing about the industry before I

973
00:46:57,861 --> 00:46:58,961
sat on this board.

974
00:46:58,961 --> 00:47:02,987
All the terminology like you were saying.

975
00:47:02,987 --> 00:47:05,547
It's not just for the information

976
00:47:05,547 --> 00:47:07,938
to be an actual functioning member of the board,

977
00:47:07,938 --> 00:47:09,311
but also for buy in.

978
00:47:09,311 --> 00:47:10,785
If you're overwhelmed you're going

979
00:47:10,785 --> 00:47:11,993
to check out not participate.

980
00:47:11,993 --> 00:47:15,272
This is going to be paramount with all these new members,

981
00:47:15,272 --> 00:47:17,487
because I know it was for me.

982
00:47:17,487 --> 00:47:20,193
Just having an understanding of what I'm getting myself into

983
00:47:20,193 --> 00:47:21,229
and what's expected.

984
00:47:21,229 --> 00:47:25,161
I think that's going to be paramount of importance

985
00:47:25,161 --> 00:47:27,230
in this expansion.

986
00:47:27,230 --> 00:47:29,481
>> That's going to be one of your biggest projects and most

987
00:47:29,481 --> 00:47:29,981
important.

988
00:47:29,981 --> 00:47:35,810
You're 100% right that people need to know what they're doing.

989
00:47:35,810 --> 00:47:37,489
>> Don, you're really good at sharing the information

990
00:47:37,489 --> 00:47:39,457
in a consumable manner.

991
00:47:39,457 --> 00:47:42,587
I came out of aviation and airports

992
00:47:42,587 --> 00:47:45,397
and I can out acronym anybody.

993
00:47:45,397 --> 00:47:48,221
It does not matter if I'm not communicating.

994
00:47:48,221 --> 00:47:52,249
Particularly when it comes to Orientating and educating

995
00:47:52,249 --> 00:47:54,810
people that are not familiar with the field

996
00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:55,853
and then asking them to make a decision.

997
00:47:55,853 --> 00:47:58,998
You probably saw my head turn inside out

998
00:47:58,998 --> 00:48:01,121
when we were doing the bonds.

999
00:48:01,121 --> 00:48:06,450
I wasn't going to touch that until I understood it.

1000
00:48:06,450 --> 00:48:07,571
That's a big deal.

1001
00:48:07,571 --> 00:48:10,461
It was a spectacular success.

1002
00:48:10,461 --> 00:48:15,261
We're now owned by Google, is that right?

1003
00:48:15,881 --> 00:48:17,881
>> Not quite.

1004
00:48:18,281 --> 00:48:20,187
>> A stock of.

1005
00:48:20,187 --> 00:48:22,100
>> Yes.

1006
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,281
>> Where do I sign up for that?

1007
00:48:24,281 --> 00:48:30,281
>> How many of my colleagues had to decline to participate.

1008
00:48:30,395 --> 00:48:31,816
[Laughter]

1009
00:48:31,816 --> 00:48:33,483
>> You do that, that's part of the deal.

1010
00:48:33,483 --> 00:48:35,250
All you guys are pretty good at that.

1011
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:38,921
It has to be done in a way we understand.

1012
00:48:38,921 --> 00:48:42,344
>> This past year, we haven't had any change in board members.

1013
00:48:42,344 --> 00:48:45,201
The airport we had a few.

1014
00:48:45,201 --> 00:48:47,540
>> We will in the next year.

1015
00:48:47,540 --> 00:48:48,532
>> Is director Carter pointed out,

1016
00:48:48,532 --> 00:48:55,732
I did more one on ones with director Pearl and And director

1017
00:49:01,129 --> 00:49:01,833
Parlin.

1018
00:49:01,833 --> 00:49:05,653
So we're going to go through this. --

1019
00:49:05,653 --> 00:49:08,804
current members are going to be attending as well.

1020
00:49:08,804 --> 00:49:11,813
Maybe that's something also to think about with current

1021
00:49:11,813 --> 00:49:16,161
members, as well as the -- >> You can invite them and they can

1022
00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:16,929
come early.

1023
00:49:16,929 --> 00:49:18,633
You're 100% right.

1024
00:49:18,633 --> 00:49:20,841
And people need to feel comfortable and the subject

1025
00:49:20,841 --> 00:49:23,841
matter isn't necessarily -- >> --

1026
00:49:24,755 --> 00:49:27,361
the best of people that are here.

1027
00:49:27,361 --> 00:49:31,561
>> And people ask questions when they understand.

1028
00:49:33,993 --> 00:49:34,743
>> I've seen that.

1029
00:49:34,743 --> 00:49:35,951
I've seen that on this board.

1030
00:49:35,951 --> 00:49:38,401
I've seen people that have learned.

1031
00:49:38,401 --> 00:49:39,235
>> 100%.

1032
00:49:39,235 --> 00:49:42,857
From time to time to workshop a topic.

1033
00:49:42,857 --> 00:49:46,841
If it's really tough one or really detailed one, that we

1034
00:49:46,841 --> 00:49:49,810
take this time and go through it.

1035
00:49:49,810 --> 00:49:51,825
Let people answer questions and stuff.

1036
00:49:51,825 --> 00:49:57,825
I would have benefited from that greatly with the finance.

1037
00:50:04,681 --> 00:50:07,938
-- workshop this because there's something that might be coming

1038
00:50:07,938 --> 00:50:10,313
forward at some point and you want to have some education

1039
00:50:10,313 --> 00:50:10,985
on it.

1040
00:50:10,985 --> 00:50:13,181
There's no action, and it's a workshop

1041
00:50:13,181 --> 00:50:14,781
you have planned speaker.

1042
00:50:14,781 --> 00:50:17,141
And you look at our agenda and we fine tuning things

1043
00:50:17,141 --> 00:50:19,121
so that you know things are fleshed out in committee.

1044
00:50:19,121 --> 00:50:20,829
There's more things on consent and really

1045
00:50:20,829 --> 00:50:24,541
we only have two comment maybe 1 to 3 significant issues

1046
00:50:24,541 --> 00:50:25,667
on each agenda.

1047
00:50:25,667 --> 00:50:27,667
Probably just 1 to 2.

1048
00:50:28,361 --> 00:50:30,841
Where we know we're going to engage and have discussion.

1049
00:50:30,841 --> 00:50:33,977
That makes us successful so we're not here forever.

1050
00:50:33,977 --> 00:50:35,761
So people want to be able to get out.

1051
00:50:35,761 --> 00:50:37,651
So oftentimes what we have to have now

1052
00:50:37,651 --> 00:50:42,718
is we have to cut things off or move them.

1053
00:50:42,718 --> 00:50:45,301
>> The other piece of that is making it okay for people to ask

1054
00:50:45,301 --> 00:50:45,801
questions.

1055
00:50:45,801 --> 00:50:49,801
Making it okay for them to ask questions before the meeting.

1056
00:50:49,801 --> 00:50:50,734
It is.

1057
00:50:50,734 --> 00:50:53,101
I know it is because I've done it many times.

1058
00:50:53,101 --> 00:50:55,506
I don't think people understand that when

1059
00:50:55,506 --> 00:50:58,214
you get something dropped on you and you don't understand comment

1060
00:50:58,214 --> 00:51:00,881
you call up Don and he'll help you understand it.

1061
00:51:00,881 --> 00:51:03,281
That needs to be known and really understood

1062
00:51:03,281 --> 00:51:04,971
as a mechanism.

1063
00:51:04,971 --> 00:51:08,100
Frankly, I just went through this

1064
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:11,961
with a mayor who was terrified of looking stupid and public.

1065
00:51:11,961 --> 00:51:14,900
>> I'm not terrified of that.

1066
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:16,921
>> I do it all the time.

1067
00:51:16,921 --> 00:51:18,498
>> But it locks people up.

1068
00:51:18,498 --> 00:51:19,901
It locks them up.

1069
00:51:19,901 --> 00:51:24,254
And they don't want to and they check out and stuff.

1070
00:51:24,254 --> 00:51:26,641
>> That's something we can actually start in September.

1071
00:51:26,641 --> 00:51:29,140
After the agenda goes out comment

1072
00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:33,481
we'll send an email to the board and anybody that wants to chat.

1073
00:51:33,481 --> 00:51:35,481
>> An invitation.

1074
00:51:36,874 --> 00:51:38,874
[Cross-talk]

1075
00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:44,801
>> For 27, that makes it hard for Don to meet with.

1076
00:51:44,801 --> 00:51:47,801
>> Doesn't have to be Don?

1077
00:51:49,177 --> 00:51:51,177
[Cross-talk]

1078
00:51:52,267 --> 00:51:54,892
>> The one thing we want to be careful is when we're 27 strong,

1079
00:51:54,892 --> 00:51:57,121
everything has got to go through Don.

1080
00:51:57,121 --> 00:52:04,810
We cannot have people -- we have to be careful if we're bothering

1081
00:52:04,810 --> 00:52:07,761
Sam every five minutes or Jean every five minutes.

1082
00:52:07,761 --> 00:52:10,401
Like with our city, you don't get

1083
00:52:10,401 --> 00:52:13,160
to tell public works to go paint that curb red,

1084
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,816
you have to talk to the city manager.

1085
00:52:18,441 --> 00:52:21,441
>> Talk about the hourglass theory.

1086
00:52:21,454 --> 00:52:26,761
We go to the middle manager and then you go to staff.

1087
00:52:26,761 --> 00:52:31,310
>> As we are so large, it's something we have to keep

1088
00:52:31,310 --> 00:52:36,210
in mind, also, because what happens when Sam hears from

1089
00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:39,136
three people that have said to do X y and z.

1090
00:52:39,136 --> 00:52:42,140
The board itself has not taken that up.

1091
00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:45,424
So Sam's like well, I don't >> That's

1092
00:52:45,424 --> 00:52:47,490
where expectations on the board members

1093
00:52:47,490 --> 00:52:49,681
need to be clear from the beginning.

1094
00:52:49,681 --> 00:52:51,681
>> That is right.

1095
00:52:52,381 --> 00:52:54,441
>> What is your role on this.

1096
00:52:54,441 --> 00:52:56,641
>> You're telling staff what to do.

1097
00:52:56,641 --> 00:53:00,201
>> That would be in the code of conduct.

1098
00:53:00,201 --> 00:53:03,570
>> That's an important part because people just think,

1099
00:53:03,570 --> 00:53:07,600
I'm just going to call Gina and tell her to do this.

1100
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,681
Jean is going to say, she wants to do it because she's

1101
00:53:10,681 --> 00:53:13,810
trying to be helpful.

1102
00:53:13,987 --> 00:53:16,321
>> Jean is really good.

1103
00:53:16,321 --> 00:53:18,441
>> Jean is very good.

1104
00:53:18,441 --> 00:53:22,761
>> She's going to say, have you spoken to Don about this?

1105
00:53:22,761 --> 00:53:24,545
>> That's how you do it.

1106
00:53:24,545 --> 00:53:26,253
>> We should not put her in the position.

1107
00:53:26,253 --> 00:53:27,761
That's my point.

1108
00:53:27,761 --> 00:53:29,547
Gina can handle it.

1109
00:53:29,547 --> 00:53:33,747
I'm just using it as an example.

1110
00:53:34,141 --> 00:53:37,632
I don't want, and, and it makes it hard.

1111
00:53:37,632 --> 00:53:41,261
I don't want to put people in uncomfortable positions.

1112
00:53:41,261 --> 00:53:43,661
>> I think fantastic feedback on board engagement.

1113
00:53:43,661 --> 00:53:45,521
We touched on planning already.

1114
00:53:45,521 --> 00:53:48,821
We will start this year on planning committees.

1115
00:53:48,821 --> 00:53:52,376
Will have to go back to what committees come up

1116
00:53:52,376 --> 00:53:54,233
but we'll do that in a moment.

1117
00:53:54,233 --> 00:53:55,941
>> Executive Committee versus governance,

1118
00:53:55,941 --> 00:53:58,481
otherwise I think you're good.

1119
00:53:58,481 --> 00:53:59,393
>> Board assignments.

1120
00:53:59,393 --> 00:54:01,810
We did cover that already.

1121
00:54:01,810 --> 00:54:07,134
I do not remember, chair, I apologize for asking a question.

1122
00:54:07,134 --> 00:54:10,881
I don't remember if they get regions

1123
00:54:10,881 --> 00:54:14,401
involved in the committees or is it just pretty much open?

1124
00:54:14,401 --> 00:54:17,589
>> What they do is they ask people to sign up.

1125
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:20,811
You get to put your wish list together,

1126
00:54:20,811 --> 00:54:22,186
which committees would you be on.

1127
00:54:22,186 --> 00:54:25,281
Would you like to be in a chair or vice chair position?

1128
00:54:25,281 --> 00:54:28,907
Then the chair and the incoming chair and the CEO

1129
00:54:28,907 --> 00:54:31,890
get together and talk about strategy.

1130
00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:36,583
Okay comet we want to make sure El Dorado County is on here.

1131
00:54:36,583 --> 00:54:40,100
We don't want all El Dorado County and the city.

1132
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:42,467
But you have the chair that's very engaged

1133
00:54:42,467 --> 00:54:45,831
with the CEO on that and assigning those committees.

1134
00:54:45,831 --> 00:54:49,349
There may be situations, and I did this one year,

1135
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:53,490
or asked some of you, would you be willing to throw X committee?

1136
00:54:53,490 --> 00:54:57,612
Because we need to have representation from a

1137
00:54:57,612 --> 00:54:58,361
[Laughter]

1138
00:54:58,361 --> 00:55:01,670
>> That did not feel like a request.

1139
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:03,100
>> I might resemble that.

1140
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:06,267
[Laughter] I might have done that.

1141
00:55:06,267 --> 00:55:10,321
That was really for the purpose of getting that regional buy in

1142
00:55:10,321 --> 00:55:11,721
and so forth.

1143
00:55:11,721 --> 00:55:13,981
The chair and CEO will kind of work on that.

1144
00:55:13,981 --> 00:55:16,707
Allow people to say, I haven't expressed interest.

1145
00:55:16,707 --> 00:55:19,737
I don't want to be on whatever committee.

1146
00:55:19,737 --> 00:55:22,284
But I really strongly feel about this.

1147
00:55:22,284 --> 00:55:28,281
And then it's not the CEO that's having to make the decision.

1148
00:55:28,281 --> 00:55:30,921
>> I think Sacog everybody serves on it.

1149
00:55:30,921 --> 00:55:33,940
>> I think everybody has to serve on a committee.

1150
00:55:33,940 --> 00:55:35,940
Yes, we do.

1151
00:55:35,921 --> 00:55:39,749
>> At maybe you list a committee and you pick your top two.

1152
00:55:39,749 --> 00:55:41,326
Your one and two.

1153
00:55:41,326 --> 00:55:45,361
And then between the chair and the executive.

1154
00:55:45,361 --> 00:55:47,601
>> To be on a committee.

1155
00:55:47,601 --> 00:55:50,601
>> There might be where --

1156
00:55:51,612 --> 00:55:53,761
I think it would be important, John,

1157
00:55:53,761 --> 00:55:56,361
as to get some of the documentation Eric said.

1158
00:55:56,361 --> 00:55:59,707
I think he was going to forward you some things.

1159
00:55:59,707 --> 00:56:02,174
>> I haven't received it yet.

1160
00:56:02,174 --> 00:56:03,552
>> He's on vacation.

1161
00:56:03,552 --> 00:56:05,905
It would be good to get some of the documents

1162
00:56:05,905 --> 00:56:09,227
that they use when they solicit input for committee assignments

1163
00:56:09,227 --> 00:56:11,227
and things.

1164
00:56:17,272 --> 00:56:19,272
>> (Indistinct)

1165
00:56:20,660 --> 00:56:23,105
>> So if you have on the Finance Committee Placer County

1166
00:56:23,105 --> 00:56:27,400
and every single city in Placer County has wanted to be on that.

1167
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,561
Then you've got to divide it up.

1168
00:56:29,561 --> 00:56:33,355
That will be a chair and you can Blame it

1169
00:56:33,355 --> 00:56:36,281
on the chair and the CEO.

1170
00:56:36,281 --> 00:56:40,494
>> In the cities it's the only power the mayor has.

1171
00:56:40,494 --> 00:56:43,494
>> The mayor assigns the committee.

1172
00:56:43,521 --> 00:56:48,100
>> People get to say and they get to --

1173
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:51,100
>> Those >> You want buy in.

1174
00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:57,501
>> The last item was from Sacog where they go through their own

1175
00:56:57,501 --> 00:57:00,511
expectations, for instance limiting presentations to ten

1176
00:57:00,511 --> 00:57:02,511
minutes or less.

1177
00:57:02,601 --> 00:57:03,801
>> Yes.

1178
00:57:03,801 --> 00:57:06,801
>> I felt that one today.

1179
00:57:06,801 --> 00:57:09,829
>> I teach that one, ten slides and ten minutes.

1180
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:11,761
You already wrote a staff report.

1181
00:57:11,761 --> 00:57:15,163
If you can't do it in ten slides in ten minutes,

1182
00:57:15,163 --> 00:57:18,307
it's the Albert Einstein permit you need to reread it.

1183
00:57:18,307 --> 00:57:20,161
If you can't explain it simply, you

1184
00:57:20,161 --> 00:57:22,185
don't understand it well enough.

1185
00:57:22,185 --> 00:57:24,185
>> That puts the onus on the board members to do

1186
00:57:24,185 --> 00:57:27,810
their homework, because I think sometimes the pioneer we get

1187
00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:29,863
spoiled, because sometimes the presentations are so detailed

1188
00:57:29,863 --> 00:57:31,696
that you don't have to read the staff report

1189
00:57:31,696 --> 00:57:33,121
because you're going to get all that information

1190
00:57:33,121 --> 00:57:34,191
and the presentation.

1191
00:57:34,191 --> 00:57:36,191
It takes 40 minutes.

1192
00:57:36,481 --> 00:57:43,361
We won't be able to do that when we are so large.

1193
00:57:43,361 --> 00:57:48,161
Having some boundaries and limitations on how long

1194
00:57:48,257 --> 00:57:50,657
a presentation can be.

1195
00:57:50,811 --> 00:57:54,411
Like Placer County planning Transportation Agency,

1196
00:57:55,481 --> 00:57:58,170
the rule is six minute.

1197
00:57:58,170 --> 00:58:00,371
No presentation can go over six minutes,

1198
00:58:00,371 --> 00:58:04,294
unless you have permission from the Executive officer.

1199
00:58:04,294 --> 00:58:07,783
>> My experience is that staff is very good at that level

1200
00:58:07,783 --> 00:58:10,121
of communication between the staff report

1201
00:58:10,121 --> 00:58:11,377
and the presentation.

1202
00:58:11,377 --> 00:58:13,646
I get what I need if I understand it.

1203
00:58:13,646 --> 00:58:16,193
I get what I need.

1204
00:58:16,193 --> 00:58:17,904
It needs consultants.

1205
00:58:17,904 --> 00:58:20,334
You always find that the consultants.

1206
00:58:20,334 --> 00:58:21,974
>> That they go over.

1207
00:58:21,974 --> 00:58:23,387
>> Yeah.

1208
00:58:23,387 --> 00:58:28,257
>> We can also tell them and it also becomes incumbent on staff

1209
00:58:28,257 --> 00:58:33,694
to say, any presentation is ten minutes and ten slides comment

1210
00:58:33,694 --> 00:58:35,540
that is it.

1211
00:58:35,540 --> 00:58:38,529
Unless you have and there's some special reason like rates.

1212
00:58:38,529 --> 00:58:42,129
Maybe we don't permit generally speaking.

1213
00:58:47,878 --> 00:58:52,521
>> And speaking -- and someone puts a spreadsheet and I say I

1214
00:58:52,521 --> 00:58:54,670
can't read this.

1215
00:58:54,670 --> 00:58:58,241
You never use a slide and you can't read.

1216
00:58:58,241 --> 00:59:00,991
You present the data really clearly.

1217
00:59:00,991 --> 00:59:05,791
Which is a shortcoming that many consultants have.

1218
00:59:06,601 --> 00:59:08,900
>> That's great feedback.

1219
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:09,626
Also we've got a lot of new staff

1220
00:59:09,626 --> 00:59:11,840
and we're going to have more staff.

1221
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:12,937
New staff coming in.

1222
00:59:12,937 --> 00:59:15,507
I think the staff reports as mentioned are

1223
00:59:15,507 --> 00:59:18,421
going to be more relied upon if we limit the presentations.

1224
00:59:18,421 --> 00:59:22,186
We need to be a little more uniformed.

1225
00:59:22,186 --> 00:59:25,781
We're really good right now on covering certain categories

1226
00:59:25,781 --> 00:59:28,329
and trying to be as consistent as possible.

1227
00:59:28,329 --> 00:59:31,301
I think there's some cleanup there for all of us

1228
00:59:31,301 --> 00:59:35,153
internally to maybe do some training on staff reports.

1229
00:59:35,153 --> 00:59:38,210
So that we're all writing in the same manner.

1230
00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:40,957
That's something that we will do internally.

1231
00:59:40,957 --> 00:59:43,360
So the next slide.

1232
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,890
Great discussion.

1233
00:59:44,890 --> 00:59:47,727
The recap here is that we talked about committees.

1234
00:59:47,727 --> 00:59:52,410
I think I got good direction on number two.

1235
00:59:52,410 --> 00:59:54,145
Good direction on number three.

1236
00:59:54,145 --> 00:59:56,781
I think there's a few open items I'd

1237
00:59:56,781 --> 00:59:59,581
like to close with this group on number one on committees.

1238
00:59:59,581 --> 01:00:04,981
Then the last slide would be the next steps.

1239
01:00:05,561 --> 01:00:09,761
I was talking with general counsel earlier

1240
01:00:09,821 --> 01:00:14,761
and I do want to hear the pins of the group here.

1241
01:00:14,761 --> 01:00:17,441
I don't think maybe it's best to give this presentation

1242
01:00:17,441 --> 01:00:18,943
to the larger board.

1243
01:00:18,943 --> 01:00:20,917
I think it would be more of what's

1244
01:00:20,917 --> 01:00:23,227
the recommendation from the governance committee.

1245
01:00:23,227 --> 01:00:26,905
Then David and I draft out what those bylaws changes

1246
01:00:26,905 --> 01:00:28,294
are going to be.

1247
01:00:28,294 --> 01:00:31,401
What the JPA amendments are going to be.

1248
01:00:31,401 --> 01:00:31,989
>> I agree.

1249
01:00:31,989 --> 01:00:34,801
Let us do the work.

1250
01:00:34,801 --> 01:00:37,346
>> What you're proposing and cleaning up and then get it

1251
01:00:37,346 --> 01:00:39,346
to the board.

1252
01:00:39,401 --> 01:00:44,201
>> Almost Modeling and what we're opposing these boards

1253
01:00:49,897 --> 01:00:52,501
to have in the board kind of modeling for you. --

1254
01:00:52,501 --> 01:00:54,901
and the full board.

1255
01:00:56,641 --> 01:00:59,721
>> So my thought is then that once we have direction here

1256
01:00:59,721 --> 01:01:02,561
today, we convene with the governance committee sometime

1257
01:01:02,561 --> 01:01:05,181
in September, October with the idea.

1258
01:01:05,181 --> 01:01:08,864
If there's JPA amendments, if there's a 30 day wait.

1259
01:01:08,864 --> 01:01:11,749
Presented the board and vote on it.

1260
01:01:11,749 --> 01:01:13,769
As well as changes to the bylaws,

1261
01:01:13,769 --> 01:01:15,915
which don't require the 30 day limit.

1262
01:01:15,915 --> 01:01:20,421
With that, Theresa, if we go back to the proposed changes

1263
01:01:20,421 --> 01:01:21,100
committees.

1264
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:23,921
That was probably the one slide.

1265
01:01:23,921 --> 01:01:24,921
That one.

1266
01:01:24,921 --> 01:01:30,321
One slide maybe we get more clear direction on.

1267
01:01:30,473 --> 01:01:34,661
I heard governance committee could be executive committee.

1268
01:01:34,661 --> 01:01:38,481
Could take on legislative and regulatory duties.

1269
01:01:38,481 --> 01:01:40,881
Maybe just clarify that.

1270
01:01:43,481 --> 01:01:46,401
>> I think really what it was governance committee becomes

1271
01:01:46,401 --> 01:01:47,856
the executive committee.

1272
01:01:47,856 --> 01:01:51,421
I think we're having separate legislative and regulatory

1273
01:01:51,421 --> 01:01:54,371
review committee, because the Energy procurement permit

1274
01:01:54,371 --> 01:01:57,281
I was getting confused, it's an ad hoc.

1275
01:01:57,281 --> 01:02:00,702
It's just changing the name of the governance committee.

1276
01:02:00,702 --> 01:02:04,720
To be honest with you, the Risk Oversight Committee

1277
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,881
is not really a committee, because it's staff.

1278
01:02:07,881 --> 01:02:09,786
I don't think it should be a committee.

1279
01:02:09,786 --> 01:02:13,233
Because that's just an internal thing.

1280
01:02:13,233 --> 01:02:15,787
I would take that out of the committee's.

1281
01:02:15,787 --> 01:02:18,187
The community advisory committee,

1282
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,502
you're going to rename that.

1283
01:02:20,502 --> 01:02:22,744
I think you have board committees.

1284
01:02:22,744 --> 01:02:24,957
You have a category for board committees

1285
01:02:24,957 --> 01:02:27,176
and then you have the community advisory committee.

1286
01:02:27,176 --> 01:02:30,494
So when you present that it's very clear.

1287
01:02:30,494 --> 01:02:33,614
You do not get to join the Community advisory committee.

1288
01:02:33,614 --> 01:02:35,534
That's only for the public.

1289
01:02:35,534 --> 01:02:39,121
And then the risk oversight, I would even put it on there,

1290
01:02:39,121 --> 01:02:40,609
because it's really staff.

1291
01:02:40,609 --> 01:02:42,988
You guys, it's not brown acted.

1292
01:02:42,988 --> 01:02:44,313
It doesn't have to be.

1293
01:02:44,313 --> 01:02:46,520
Because you guys are just staff.

1294
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:47,841
>> I know you're doing it.

1295
01:02:47,841 --> 01:02:50,241
It's separate from this.

1296
01:02:50,441 --> 01:02:54,121
>> You call it that committee for your internal purposes.

1297
01:02:54,121 --> 01:02:57,100
It's something the board doesn't need to know you have.

1298
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:59,247
Give departments and offices all kinds of things.

1299
01:02:59,247 --> 01:03:00,921
I don't know all what they are.

1300
01:03:00,921 --> 01:03:02,547
Whatever works for you.

1301
01:03:02,547 --> 01:03:04,801
But I think the other committee's comment,

1302
01:03:04,801 --> 01:03:07,921
I think we're all okay with them.

1303
01:03:07,921 --> 01:03:12,314
What will come down to, and we get together with this,

1304
01:03:12,314 --> 01:03:15,281
is to figure out when these committees meet.

1305
01:03:15,281 --> 01:03:18,901
The committee doesn't need to meet every month.

1306
01:03:18,901 --> 01:03:20,857
They need to meet during the season.

1307
01:03:20,857 --> 01:03:22,721
That's really when it's important.

1308
01:03:22,721 --> 01:03:25,730
Particularly when positions aren't needed

1309
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:26,511
and things like that.

1310
01:03:26,511 --> 01:03:30,697
The committee should perhaps be developing some policies

1311
01:03:30,697 --> 01:03:34,804
on when pioneer can take support on bills without having

1312
01:03:34,804 --> 01:03:36,121
to come to the full board.

1313
01:03:36,121 --> 01:03:39,193
There's some work there with staff.

1314
01:03:39,193 --> 01:03:42,301
Staff would draft that language and that would come up

1315
01:03:42,301 --> 01:03:45,271
through that committee, the legislative priorities.

1316
01:03:45,271 --> 01:03:47,361
Then the full board and then we're not

1317
01:03:47,361 --> 01:03:49,201
having to discuss some of the legislation

1318
01:03:49,201 --> 01:03:52,529
because it meets the criteria for that

1319
01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:55,681
allows us to take a more active role immediately.

1320
01:03:55,681 --> 01:04:00,658
So much so often it takes too long to have a meeting.

1321
01:04:00,658 --> 01:04:04,707
We want to support a piece of legislation.

1322
01:04:04,707 --> 01:04:07,401
>> Then what it needs is a charter that establishes what

1323
01:04:07,401 --> 01:04:09,401
gets approved there.

1324
01:04:09,601 --> 01:04:13,901
>> For like I said for legislative review committee

1325
01:04:13,901 --> 01:04:16,109
if I'm in the committee one of my charges is to staff

1326
01:04:16,109 --> 01:04:17,761
to develop priorities for each year.

1327
01:04:17,761 --> 01:04:20,529
We're going to consider that before the legislative session.

1328
01:04:20,529 --> 01:04:25,687
That board will adopt them then you go forward.

1329
01:04:25,687 --> 01:04:28,404
That would go through that committee

1330
01:04:28,404 --> 01:04:30,783
coming versus the whole board.

1331
01:04:30,783 --> 01:04:34,111
So as far as workload is concerned

1332
01:04:34,111 --> 01:04:36,130
and trying to figure out.

1333
01:04:36,130 --> 01:04:38,365
We've got a lot of learning.

1334
01:04:38,365 --> 01:04:40,121
For sure.

1335
01:04:40,121 --> 01:04:42,121
>> Ultimately three board?

1336
01:04:42,721 --> 01:04:46,361
>> Audit and committee come allege and executive committee.

1337
01:04:46,361 --> 01:04:50,621
Then you have an ad hoc which is energy procurement, which

1338
01:04:50,621 --> 01:04:54,497
means we're not going to have a meeting schedule for,

1339
01:04:54,497 --> 01:04:58,410
because it's a special kind of thing.

1340
01:04:58,410 --> 01:05:01,435
We cannot have a standing time when it meets ad hoc.

1341
01:05:01,435 --> 01:05:06,561
It's not only Brown Act but it's not a standard time.

1342
01:05:06,561 --> 01:05:10,376
>> You have latitude for ad hoc to not be brown at committees.

1343
01:05:10,376 --> 01:05:12,776
Not all councils do.

1344
01:05:13,561 --> 01:05:16,669
>> There's an exception for what we call ad hoc.

1345
01:05:16,669 --> 01:05:19,857
The word ad hoc does not appear in the Brown Act.

1346
01:05:19,857 --> 01:05:24,541
A board that doesn't have continuing subject managers --

1347
01:05:24,541 --> 01:05:29,410
formal action and is advisory and composed of solely less than

1348
01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:29,705
a quorum.

1349
01:05:29,705 --> 01:05:31,867
The Brown act doesn't apply to.

1350
01:05:31,867 --> 01:05:36,670
We're trying to keep within that framework.

1351
01:05:37,121 --> 01:05:39,657
>> A couple of different interpretations.

1352
01:05:39,657 --> 01:05:42,570
I'm fine with that.

1353
01:05:42,601 --> 01:05:46,510
>> I'm like how can I do that in Grass Valley.

1354
01:05:46,510 --> 01:05:52,510
The committees how would we and all the board members?

1355
01:05:52,414 --> 01:05:56,450
>> What I'd recommend is in our next meeting I think you come

1356
01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:58,601
back and say, these are the committees that we're going

1357
01:05:58,601 --> 01:05:59,281
to propose.

1358
01:05:59,281 --> 01:06:01,867
Audit and finance, this is what their role is.

1359
01:06:01,867 --> 01:06:03,867
Ledge and Reg and this is what this role

1360
01:06:03,867 --> 01:06:05,867
is and would include in the role the development

1361
01:06:05,867 --> 01:06:06,951
of legislative priorities.

1362
01:06:06,951 --> 01:06:09,100
And then the executive committee.

1363
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:11,641
Then we have an ad hoc committee.

1364
01:06:11,641 --> 01:06:15,187
Which is energy procurement that is as needed.

1365
01:06:15,187 --> 01:06:18,831
Then each committee should have their whatever their mission

1366
01:06:18,831 --> 01:06:21,231
or whatever their scope.

1367
01:06:21,451 --> 01:06:23,145
Really define scope.

1368
01:06:23,145 --> 01:06:26,153
Then we'll ask folks to sign up for which committees

1369
01:06:26,153 --> 01:06:28,134
they would like to serve in.

1370
01:06:28,134 --> 01:06:32,934
Then we will put together that actual list.

1371
01:06:33,801 --> 01:06:38,100
Like everything happens in September with Sacog .

1372
01:06:40,367 --> 01:06:43,401
And that kind of happens October or September.

1373
01:06:43,401 --> 01:06:44,977
Before the New year.

1374
01:06:44,977 --> 01:06:46,121
The January meeting.

1375
01:06:46,121 --> 01:06:48,631
The problem is if you have new people they

1376
01:06:48,631 --> 01:06:50,849
have to be assigned to those committees to

1377
01:06:50,849 --> 01:06:55,490
and you don't know until that January.

1378
01:06:55,321 --> 01:07:01,345
What you can do is we need to flesh it more out in Sacog.

1379
01:07:01,345 --> 01:07:03,705
>> We need to do a strong diagram of the number

1380
01:07:03,705 --> 01:07:07,905
of positions on each committee without assigning.

1381
01:07:08,281 --> 01:07:11,750
>> You would have with a scope is and how many members.

1382
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:12,941
Up to whatever.

1383
01:07:12,941 --> 01:07:16,781
>> You could even plug in the region if you want to distribute

1384
01:07:16,781 --> 01:07:19,181
representation across a committee.

1385
01:07:21,521 --> 01:07:25,574
Two spots from this or that county.

1386
01:07:25,574 --> 01:07:29,401
>> I think I would let the chair and the CEO work on all.

1387
01:07:29,401 --> 01:07:31,801
It gets so soupy.

1388
01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:34,454
>> It's like did you sign up for that?

1389
01:07:34,454 --> 01:07:39,170
I think going in what Sacog does is it gives people

1390
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:41,676
the opportunity to say this is what interests me and I'd like

1391
01:07:41,676 --> 01:07:42,801
to serve in this committee.

1392
01:07:42,801 --> 01:07:45,321
I'd like to be in a leadership and I'd

1393
01:07:45,321 --> 01:07:47,929
like to sign up for leadership.

1394
01:07:47,929 --> 01:07:50,100
That's where the sausage is made.

1395
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:51,597
Like how many people do we have.

1396
01:07:51,597 --> 01:07:55,797
We really should have every region represented.

1397
01:07:56,641 --> 01:07:59,194
>> Folks are coming in July.

1398
01:07:59,194 --> 01:07:59,694
>> Yes.

1399
01:07:59,694 --> 01:08:01,361
Then we're going to have new people come

1400
01:08:01,361 --> 01:08:02,621
in January this year.

1401
01:08:02,621 --> 01:08:04,765
Because of term limits.

1402
01:08:04,765 --> 01:08:06,765
I am assuming.

1403
01:08:07,401 --> 01:08:09,401
Not much.

1404
01:08:10,410 --> 01:08:12,100
>> Because they've got new people.

1405
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:13,166
>> Yeah, they do.

1406
01:08:13,166 --> 01:08:17,366
They have to be plugged in somewhere.

1407
01:08:19,561 --> 01:08:22,201
>> Maybe we don't ask new people to serve on any boards.

1408
01:08:22,201 --> 01:08:23,801
Gives them six months run up.

1409
01:08:23,801 --> 01:08:25,605
They start July.

1410
01:08:25,605 --> 01:08:27,105
>> July folks it would just be that.

1411
01:08:27,105 --> 01:08:30,171
Whatever we start the process and whether it be that time.

1412
01:08:30,171 --> 01:08:33,810
If we start the process in September or October,

1413
01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:34,301
that's when they would do it.

1414
01:08:34,301 --> 01:08:36,321
I would not plug them in.

1415
01:08:36,321 --> 01:08:39,401
>> They wouldn't be on boards until 2027.

1416
01:08:39,401 --> 01:08:42,641
>> They're probably like I've gone to this one meeting now.

1417
01:08:42,641 --> 01:08:46,632
We don't want to scare them away.

1418
01:08:46,632 --> 01:08:48,632
[Cross-talk]

1419
01:08:49,191 --> 01:08:50,274
>> That's what I'm saying.

1420
01:08:50,274 --> 01:08:53,241
We use this as an opportunity.

1421
01:08:53,241 --> 01:08:55,181
Let's just nail down with Sacog.

1422
01:08:55,181 --> 01:08:59,261
I'll try to remember to ask Eric also

1423
01:08:59,261 --> 01:09:04,289
about exactly when people are volunteering for the committees.

1424
01:09:04,289 --> 01:09:05,705
It really works.

1425
01:09:05,705 --> 01:09:09,614
If it works somewhere else, it can work here.

1426
01:09:09,614 --> 01:09:11,281
>> Yes and no.

1427
01:09:11,281 --> 01:09:13,281
>> That is true.

1428
01:09:14,561 --> 01:09:16,681
>> The similar complexity there.

1429
01:09:16,681 --> 01:09:17,741
>> No complexity.

1430
01:09:17,741 --> 01:09:20,414
Do you have enough on that committee, dot,

1431
01:09:20,414 --> 01:09:21,778
do you need more?

1432
01:09:21,778 --> 01:09:25,329
We just take off the risk oversight.

1433
01:09:25,329 --> 01:09:27,465
Really advisory is a separate that no board members

1434
01:09:27,465 --> 01:09:29,465
are on that.

1435
01:09:30,121 --> 01:09:32,951
>> I just want to touch on something you said.

1436
01:09:32,951 --> 01:09:35,537
We're really going to learn our way into this.

1437
01:09:35,537 --> 01:09:38,454
The important thing and when you do that is to stay open.

1438
01:09:38,454 --> 01:09:40,241
Stay open to it.

1439
01:09:40,241 --> 01:09:41,821
People get nervous.

1440
01:09:41,821 --> 01:09:45,469
We all get anxious about what we don't know.

1441
01:09:45,469 --> 01:09:49,721
And as it unfolds and we do take that right

1442
01:09:49,721 --> 01:09:51,494
and see what wants to happen.

1443
01:09:51,494 --> 01:09:53,901
It's all emergent it's all complexity.

1444
01:09:53,901 --> 01:09:57,424
Let it need to be what it needs to be and monitor it as it goes.

1445
01:09:57,424 --> 01:10:01,161
It's not something that many boards are good at.

1446
01:10:01,161 --> 01:10:06,410
Because it requires you to let go of controls and stuff.

1447
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:10,841
>> Don't look at me. (Laughs) I am joking.

1448
01:10:12,561 --> 01:10:14,363
>> I could have but I didn't.

1449
01:10:14,363 --> 01:10:15,905
>> It's important that you be nimble.

1450
01:10:15,905 --> 01:10:16,913
That's 100%.

1451
01:10:16,913 --> 01:10:20,117
We are going to have to be nimble and adjust.

1452
01:10:20,117 --> 01:10:23,717
We are doubling, more than doubling.

1453
01:10:23,811 --> 01:10:26,916
There's going to be some growth and growing pains.

1454
01:10:26,916 --> 01:10:29,881
Just recognizing that off the bat is really important.

1455
01:10:29,881 --> 01:10:32,201
We may have a plan.

1456
01:10:32,201 --> 01:10:35,890
We may find out that was a bad plan.

1457
01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:37,121
What were we thinking?

1458
01:10:37,121 --> 01:10:39,521
What were we thinking?

1459
01:10:40,401 --> 01:10:42,540
>> We're willing to do that.

1460
01:10:42,540 --> 01:10:44,401
We will be okay.

1461
01:10:44,401 --> 01:10:46,401
>> Any other ideas?

1462
01:10:47,410 --> 01:10:49,441
Did we cover most?

1463
01:10:49,787 --> 01:10:50,915
>> I think so.

1464
01:10:50,915 --> 01:10:54,100
Does staff need anything else from us?

1465
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:55,832
>> Most important question I have, Teresa,

1466
01:10:55,832 --> 01:11:00,491
are you going to talk to me tomorrow?

1467
01:11:00,491 --> 01:11:04,910
[Laughter] Are you a little overwhelmed?

1468
01:11:04,321 --> 01:11:06,721
>> Feel free to comment.

1469
01:11:06,721 --> 01:11:10,481
>> That's how you want us to do it?

1470
01:11:10,481 --> 01:11:14,681
>> Just one thing goes to another question.

1471
01:11:14,801 --> 01:11:16,801
>> It is challenging.

1472
01:11:17,121 --> 01:11:18,705
We will adapt.

1473
01:11:18,705 --> 01:11:20,961
We will be nimble.

1474
01:11:20,961 --> 01:11:23,609
Giving ourselves grace is important.

1475
01:11:23,609 --> 01:11:27,501
That we may have thought something was going to work.

1476
01:11:27,501 --> 01:11:30,501
You know what, oh wow.

1477
01:11:32,521 --> 01:11:35,267
>> There's a difference between adapting and adaptation.

1478
01:11:35,267 --> 01:11:38,281
Adapting is getting used to something.

1479
01:11:38,281 --> 01:11:40,281
Adaptation is evolving.

1480
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:42,307
>> There you go.

1481
01:11:42,307 --> 01:11:44,841
>> That's where we are with this organization.

1482
01:11:44,841 --> 01:11:46,881
>> Adaptation, you are right.

1483
01:11:46,881 --> 01:11:48,881
Good point.

1484
01:11:49,681 --> 01:11:50,801
>> Thank you all.

1485
01:11:50,801 --> 01:11:52,593
>> Do we have any other business before us?

1486
01:11:52,593 --> 01:11:54,569
Let me check the agenda.

1487
01:11:54,569 --> 01:11:56,969
Just the CEO's report.

1488
01:11:57,441 --> 01:11:59,297
>> Just really quick.

1489
01:11:59,297 --> 01:12:02,381
I believe September we will be in our new building

1490
01:12:02,381 --> 01:12:04,161
for the boardroom.

1491
01:12:04,161 --> 01:12:06,681
>> We need to go look at the space.

1492
01:12:06,681 --> 01:12:08,281
>> That is moving along.

1493
01:12:08,281 --> 01:12:10,561
The furniture is in a paddle boat

1494
01:12:10,561 --> 01:12:12,441
somewhere from South America.

1495
01:12:12,441 --> 01:12:15,441
We should have it hopefully.

1496
01:12:15,774 --> 01:12:17,774
>> We're hoping July.

1497
01:12:17,854 --> 01:12:21,454
>> It has been a little slow.

1498
01:12:22,990 --> 01:12:24,990
[Laughter]

1499
01:12:24,713 --> 01:12:25,494
>> Oh my gosh.

1500
01:12:25,494 --> 01:12:26,561
A giant line.

1501
01:12:26,561 --> 01:12:29,715
It got hit by a drone.

1502
01:12:29,715 --> 01:12:32,115
The pirates got it.

1503
01:12:33,810 --> 01:12:35,311
[Laughter]

1504
01:12:35,311 --> 01:12:37,311
>> We have signed an NDA with Liberty Utilities.

1505
01:12:37,311 --> 01:12:39,190
We're waiting to get back the information

1506
01:12:39,190 --> 01:12:42,311
that we requested to be able to run a financial impact

1507
01:12:42,311 --> 01:12:43,411
assessment study.

1508
01:12:43,411 --> 01:12:45,657
It sounds like Lake Tahoe is not dead.

1509
01:12:45,657 --> 01:12:49,294
We are still moving forward on that to see what it looks like.

1510
01:12:49,294 --> 01:12:52,410
>> What is the timeline on that?

1511
01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:53,934
>> For South Lake Tahoe?

1512
01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:55,810
>> Yeah.

1513
01:12:55,810 --> 01:12:57,781
>> My goal is everything worked out come we can file

1514
01:12:57,781 --> 01:13:00,541
an implementation plan by the end of the year and be ready

1515
01:13:00,541 --> 01:13:03,541
for 2028 to serve Lake Tahoe.

1516
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:07,585
So they're trying to time it when the new transmission

1517
01:13:07,585 --> 01:13:08,511
line goes online.

1518
01:13:08,511 --> 01:13:10,871
That looks like December 27th.

1519
01:13:10,871 --> 01:13:13,570
That actually works right now.

1520
01:13:13,570 --> 01:13:14,601
That could change.

1521
01:13:14,601 --> 01:13:18,201
It initially start off with May 2027.