1 00:00:00,359 --> 00:00:10,120 okay now Rec so we'll go ahead and start with a roll call D 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,120 Ro 3 00:00:10,799 --> 00:00:17,160 th itones and everything 4 00:00:17,530 --> 00:00:20,679 [Music] 5 00:00:21,439 --> 00:00:30,359 else we just started we just took a roll call are there just four of us yeah 6 00:00:26,599 --> 00:00:30,359 that's it oh that's right 7 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:42,640 so the first thing we just need to approve minutes from our October 30th 8 00:00:37,239 --> 00:00:42,640 meeting I assume everybody's 9 00:00:50,360 --> 00:01:01,920 chance nobody so Jim you made a motion Jim 10 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,920 second all in favor 11 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:17,799 it's so just kind of to give everybody update kind of where things 12 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:23,720 are I know this is a crazy time of the year we continue to work on our 13 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:30,479 respective sections so basically we have an outline it's still in a draft uh in 14 00:01:27,479 --> 00:01:36,600 case we need to edit that or update that as we go go along uh 15 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:41,799 but we're we're doing our breakout sessions so there's two you know I'm 16 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:46,280 working with Jerica Joe and Jim we're working together we've taken the outline 17 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,880 we've broken out sections that way we can kind of 18 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:54,360 work on different parts of the 19 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:59,600 report and that's kind of where we're at right now taking the 20 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:03,520 information applying it to the outline and 21 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:09,800 working on drafts so and we have sections drafted already 22 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:15,040 I would it's not just an outline 23 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:22,239 yeah yeah it's the five pages of the draft and 24 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:28,720 there's 14 sections breaking out 14 sections yeah yeah it's about five pages 25 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:34,840 so y that's kind of been it's a nice guide for us and 26 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:40,480 I think helps us see how to split the workout so and we have each section 27 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:46,640 assigned to an owner already and each owner is either working in their 28 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:46,640 individual and or in their sub groups 29 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:55,480 writing and as needed we can meet 30 00:02:53,640 --> 00:03:00,920 but that's kind of where things are right now as far as drafting the report 31 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:07,040 uh we did have a couple individuals potentially that may want to sit 32 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:19,080 down sit down with us and talk to us that's really preliminary 33 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:19,080 um we'll keep you up 34 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:30,280 we that's really I mean kind of my brief update yeah I don't know if anybody else 35 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,280 has any 36 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:37,080 you know one one of the things we've been waiting on wanted to get an 37 00:03:33,879 --> 00:03:41,439 attorney on we got Chris and his group and they put together three expansive 38 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:46,120 files they took all the documents everything that we had obtained either 39 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:49,879 from folks here from the city or whatever information we had that they 40 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:55,360 wanted to have part of the report uh they put it through over 7,000 41 00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:00,480 pages so I I've gone through the three 42 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:06,920 different files and as it says it says 7,000 pages but I 43 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:12,319 will tell you this 30% of that is duplication yeah there's there there's 44 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:19,199 studies and reports and and emails I've seen them they're like like 45 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:27,360 1,25 there's 30 pages of documents that run up to 25 Pages run 46 00:04:22,919 --> 00:04:32,680 1,250 well I find those again at 1,300 I got the exact same 25 pag 47 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:39,759 so 7,000 but you got to go through everyone because as we write the reports 48 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:44,840 we have to reference where that document is and so I will reference 49 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:52,560 number 1,225 50 00:04:46,919 --> 00:04:57,759 1,265 2330 whatever it is so um and there's things like you know 51 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:05,240 page 1,254 those are through 52 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:12,560 1,261 those are emails related to uh Nick Warner wanting to try to uh build 53 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:17,960 on the site or release on the site that's email where Paul says we need to 54 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:23,160 keep them here and engaged so we're trying to figure out all 55 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:30,120 those components and what's behind that whole email thre so um to say we're just 56 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:35,880 looking at documents you know so now got this like okay what else supports this 57 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:43,240 so what else is behind this and U so I find more of those informations you know 58 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:47,840 pieces you run all the way back to page I don't know somewhere like the 800s 59 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:53,440 section so um it's a lot of work lot of material 60 00:05:51,919 --> 00:05:58,120 it's it's a lot of material we write the report if we put something in a report 61 00:05:55,280 --> 00:06:02,400 we've got to have documentation behind right if it's in a report we've got to 62 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:08,599 support it right it'll be some sort of citation to where document that 63 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:12,599 supports and we talked about since there's so much 64 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:18,039 material like the idea of maybe having two appendices at the end or maybe you 65 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:23,319 know we have all these documents this is all the documents that we've accumulated 66 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:29,880 that's one aend and then another one for these are the documents that are 67 00:06:25,479 --> 00:06:34,039 referenced in our in that way Ian like Joe said you know there's so many 68 00:06:31,479 --> 00:06:37,000 duplications and the document is not going to or our reports I don't think 69 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:41,840 going to reference 7,000 ages no like but by having two 70 00:06:40,479 --> 00:06:45,759 appendices then well I I would think that depending 71 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:51,919 on the length of the report you might want to consider an executive summary 72 00:06:49,039 --> 00:06:56,080 that is has just takes the main report distills it down to an executive summary 73 00:06:54,400 --> 00:07:00,240 that would like to form the basis of the presentation to council and to the 74 00:06:58,039 --> 00:07:05,520 public and I just attach that to 75 00:07:02,599 --> 00:07:09,080 theend well again I mean that will be determined once once you see the length 76 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:14,919 of it I think we can come up with a way that just 77 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:18,759 makes if the if the reports with between the appendix with the ex with the 78 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:22,720 citations and it's you know 50 pages plus the appendix it's 100 I think in an 79 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,520 executive summary would be beneficial to the public and everybody telling them 80 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:30,759 what they need to know whatever the findings were that you've 81 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:35,759 made yeah that's uh to recap that on your email we said some 82 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:42,280 some questions about what we're looking at you said right here all the3 look at 83 00:07:38,919 --> 00:07:45,440 an executive summary citations of such so all 84 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:55,720 right so anyway I just wanted to bring that forward and let you know you know 85 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:59,879 obviously we haven't been public but but there there's just a volume we were 86 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:03,319 working on and uh because now we're working into writing a report we've got 87 00:08:01,599 --> 00:08:08,840 to have our doct in a row we it's got to be structured we've got to organize it 88 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:14,479 so like I said 7,000 pages but 30% of those are just duplicates W even need to 89 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:18,560 be siding those and then I don't know why you put in and that's for some 90 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:25,159 reason we got we got documents about the wastewater treatment plant you know we 91 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:30,479 got probably I know 50 60 pages about they got uh their permit they 92 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,640 awarded their per from this year and some 93 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:37,800 emails not not not nothing to do with the fire pit we're talking about the new 94 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:41,800 wastewater treatment plan I like we don't care about that but somehow they 95 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:47,480 ended up you know and some of the information the city D to us they ended 96 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:53,880 up there so I think we when documents got requested maybe we 97 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:58,040 got documents we didn't yeah that's a lot of reading for I'm looking for I'm 98 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:02,200 looking for the ingame and like so bit just nothing but Wastewater stuff it's 99 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:09,440 nothing to do with us that's that's 30 pages of my time G so 100 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,440 anyway this 101 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:21,800 just so I if anybody else has any comments 102 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:25,000 or on you on committee remembers I mean Committee Member up 103 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:35,399 update cuz Joe and I sit down one day Library went over history I 104 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:41,640 think we got about all the history we can find on the old to the 105 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:50,160 new yeah and then David he he was able to get hold of some pictures of the old 106 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:56,560 original I yeah yeah part of the that that was easy part and looking 107 00:09:53,120 --> 00:10:01,279 at how we got to the City commissioners and the fire department and the 108 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:05,399 recommendation turn plan into burn facility how did that even develop so 109 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:10,160 I've been looking at a bunch of old city commission meetings trying to who said 110 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:15,360 what said what about what and trying to capture every city meeting this was top 111 00:10:13,079 --> 00:10:22,760 of the conversation in its Origins um so again not just that I had 112 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:27,720 site what the meeting date was who said what kind of what what was there and I 113 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:33,079 tell you from what I can see I haven't seen one that really had most of them 114 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:38,200 have been positive when they were thinking about the burn plant putting up 115 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:43,040 facility out there at the water plan I don't know if people didn't realize what 116 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:47,880 was going to happen or we weren't paying attention but most the comments from the 117 00:10:44,839 --> 00:10:54,120 Commissioners were let's do it what's wrong with it I don't remember maybe one 118 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:59,800 or two where questioned it was a problem so but that's part of the research so 119 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:05,639 far one other item I think it's worth noting Chris's pic announced this today 120 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:13,320 that they hired a new law director oh okay um she will not start until January 121 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,320 6 I'm not 122 00:11:14,959 --> 00:11:22,959 sure is it Jess J am I pronouncing Jess or Jennifer 123 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,959 starts with a 124 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:35,839 J is it Jess okay I believe Mr patria's last Daye is 125 00:11:32,839 --> 00:11:39,079 12:30 well he'll be the 6 too bring 126 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:51,680 her so we'll touch base with her once she gets 127 00:11:53,240 --> 00:12:02,880 started so the only other thing I have is you know we've seen that U Mr Smith 128 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:06,639 did put in his report to get to the city said or said he had a report I don't 129 00:12:04,639 --> 00:12:11,959 know if they've seen it I hear that it's out there I haven't seen it I don't know 130 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:17,320 what the status of that is but um understand that you know he did get his 131 00:12:13,839 --> 00:12:25,040 results in so that was one item that I wanted to mention that 132 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:29,680 if if Scott's results are 133 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:34,320 finished if anybody would share those with the committee that would 134 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:40,639 be fantastic and we could include those in the report with all the other reports 135 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:45,240 y so was was Mr Smith is the person who's 136 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:49,320 done some ground and water testing and there testing he did some testing here 137 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:55,920 in town where exactly in town I'm not 100% 138 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:59,680 sure but I think if I read part of it right I think it was three different 139 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:03,600 spots and it was I know obviously because the city there 140 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:07,199 was no one from the city to let him to the grounds it 141 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:11,680 was if you guys want to correct me please feel free to do so but it was 142 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:15,839 outside of the water where the burns took place outside of the building 143 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:21,000 around the dog park and then at a residential home where's the 144 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:25,279 dog the street Scott have 145 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:35,240 dog SC came in in the summer and environmental 146 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:38,800 suppos but but was he retained by a group of citizens by the city or is he 147 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:46,680 doing this as a volunteer um as far as I know volunteer 148 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:51,600 I've never asked or inquired about never heard any conversation it's just that 149 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:57,279 he's trying to support you know help us figure out help some citizens they 150 00:13:53,720 --> 00:14:01,040 reached out and he's supporting them but I drove to East pal 151 00:14:01,199 --> 00:14:06,000 to seek Scott and other experts for our 152 00:14:07,839 --> 00:14:15,560 community and has he provided the test results to anybody yet we will be having 153 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:21,920 a zoom meeting that will be open for anyone to join to go over the 154 00:14:19,079 --> 00:14:24,480 results would you uh could you email me that 155 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:32,560 absolutely yeah we're just um nailing down last couple experts because we're 156 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:39,639 going to have Scott on there and a toxicologist probably a doctor that sort 157 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:43,680 of thing so um everyone can understand all aspects of what these numbers and 158 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:51,639 these terrible results are so what you share maybe the link to 159 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:58,279 to the zoom meeting yeah I'll be posting it on as soon as we've got the date it's 160 00:14:54,839 --> 00:15:05,240 hard to uh you know we've got holidays coming up and it's hard to schedule you 161 00:15:01,959 --> 00:15:09,880 know some people that are time is very valuable um you know when you're talking 162 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:16,639 about professors and doctors and you know Experts of that level um I'm just 163 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:22,800 kind of waiting for a date that we all can it sounds like you're hoping for 164 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:27,480 some in January I was I was hoping for uh 27th but 165 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:38,720 that's all I a public 166 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,800 comment we just talk about we got a little more to 167 00:15:52,120 --> 00:16:06,120 do yeah anybody has public comments or questions well as doing research are you 168 00:16:01,079 --> 00:16:06,120 finding any wrongdoing that concerns 169 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:15,560 you you don't have to be specific I think if you you know these are 170 00:16:12,839 --> 00:16:21,720 interesting questions because if you give an answer it will presume that you 171 00:16:18,199 --> 00:16:26,160 predetermined some results so what I can what I think you could say is you're 172 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:29,639 comfortable doing is to say that you know your initial what your initial 173 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:35,000 Impressions might be um but I wouldn't go into anything that 174 00:16:31,079 --> 00:16:35,000 would suggest that you reach the final 175 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:44,319 conclusion yes put it out I and say I've seen some questionable decision 176 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:50,839 making what do you think the long de was in all this you think it was just oh 177 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:57,279 it's going to come down to handshakes and financial gain to the detriment of 178 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:04,559 the health and wellbeing of the Citizens We're going to push this through can can 179 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:10,720 I can I answer that so you know as I sit here and I don't live in the city um and 180 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:14,360 kind of came in here late to the game it seems to me that there's one truth that 181 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:18,919 I think that everybody can agree on and that is this should never have occurred 182 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:23,959 at this facility I think I don't think anybody disputes that uh it was not 183 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:29,840 appropriate to engage in testing of lithium and ion batteries it was unsafe 184 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:32,720 um I have an so I don't know if anybody disagrees 185 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:39,160 with that statement I'm making an assumption that they do so once you get 186 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:44,039 to that place you got a spectrum your your question implies that 187 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:48,600 was their intention knowing intention to take 188 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:54,559 advantage of a situation uh for what presumably would 189 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:59,000 have been some type of form of personal profit okay we know that's always a 190 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:04,480 possibility all the way to the other extreme that you just have some form of 191 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:09,919 flawed human decision making that doesn't have bad motive to it it's just 192 00:18:07,679 --> 00:18:16,240 people weren't doing the things that they should have been doing um and my 193 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:22,320 sense is uh because I certainly haven't seen any you know final gra that we're 194 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:27,919 beginning to add in tailor is that um the conclusion is going to be 195 00:18:24,679 --> 00:18:32,840 somewhere between these two places cuz that's just the way life is um 196 00:18:31,390 --> 00:18:38,240 [Music] and my senses based upon what that 197 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:41,400 they're still on the draft phases that they're not prepared to answer that 198 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:46,440 question directly yet so and by the way I'll also say this 199 00:18:44,679 --> 00:18:50,679 I know that we did the committee did receive a public records request I think 200 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:55,559 one maybe two so all the information that they have has been produced and is 201 00:18:53,159 --> 00:18:59,880 out there as well anybody else who wants to get it they're more welcome to make 202 00:18:57,679 --> 00:19:03,600 their own requests as well It's relatively simple to get a link for 203 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:09,720 somebody so that form is pretty transparent and I 204 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,799 I know for me personally that I certainly would be looking forward to 205 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:17,200 hearing what those test results were because that's an important piece of all 206 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:22,240 of this and uh and I think that's something that the city and U elate 207 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:28,280 officials would have to deal with based upon with the preliminary results have 208 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:31,760 already been posted on Facebook so I'm not faceb 209 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:37,880 person I've only seen like the screenshot 210 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:41,919 on of an Excel file it looks like of some tabulated results but there's not a 211 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:46,360 lot of context I'm not an expert obviously in the space um but I would I 212 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:52,760 I just don't have context and there's then there's no one to ask any type of 213 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:56,840 Q&A to so it's really hard for me to understand what those preliminary 214 00:19:54,559 --> 00:20:01,640 results I don't even understand what they mean right yeah that's why we're 215 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:06,080 having a zoom meeting yeah that would be very helpful I think that's a really 216 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:11,080 good forum so there can be some more Q&A and some more context of the 217 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:15,360 findings yeah I just want to make sure that the experts and the information is 218 00:20:13,159 --> 00:20:19,720 presented in a way that nothing can be questioned and it will all be 219 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:24,559 straightforward with no fluff because I think that the citizens in the community 220 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:28,320 has suffered and I think that we've suffered long 221 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:34,960 enough and I think that it would be nice to have a bit of Truth so I know did I 222 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:40,440 answer your question any 223 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:47,480 questions another one yeah when you when you look back at the commission meetings 224 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:52,880 um to WR around around when this was proposed okay um when this was proposed 225 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:57,880 to the Commissioners it seems like it was the 226 00:20:55,559 --> 00:21:02,520 only option that was proposed well this is going to be a fire training 227 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:07,880 facility that's it commissioner commissioner commissioner yes yes yes 228 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:12,039 yes we vote that it is going to be a fire training facility so they weren't 229 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:18,840 given like I would say any other options but 230 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:23,640 fire training facility yeah don't remember the date but I do know early on 231 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:29,240 it seemed like it came down to destroy it you know re repurpose the ground take 232 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:33,159 things down demolish that was one of the that that was discussed very early 233 00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:36,360 meetings but after that I've not heard another meeting where somebody said I 234 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:41,799 want I want to move the dog park over there or I want to do something else 235 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:46,240 I've only heard recommendations for uh the battery thing I think yeah it's it 236 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:50,400 seems like they were just kind of almost like pigeon P yeah I don't know if other 237 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:54,320 things came forward and nobody else did I just can tell you what I've seen the 238 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:58,000 only thing I've ever heard was the burn battery or not not battery burn it was 239 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:04,360 never battery burn it was all fire training all fire training fire training 240 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:08,600 yeah it sounded like and everybody the Commissioners Fire Chief and and the 241 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:13,159 assistant city manager those early meetings uh we're looking at it as as a 242 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:18,960 business opportunity for the city an area for us to get revenue and for that 243 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:24,960 site to not be a light but actually be a revenue generator and a positive for the 244 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:31,080 city so ear conversations make great sense but I'd like to Che there well it 245 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:37,400 doesn't make sense see I would buy that up until the point of the actual lease 246 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:43,799 500 bucks a month rent yeah and utilities included what business in town 247 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:50,159 pays that that was not a money their utilities one of 248 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:56,799 decision and offers to put up signage for their their 249 00:22:52,640 --> 00:23:01,720 their operation go yeah so I mean it's a little 250 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:06,240 there was an interview with Justin smers who is the assistant city manager and I 251 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,960 if I remember what he said in the interview it was something along the 252 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:14,720 line obviously they weren't sharing the least pricings at that point in time now 253 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:19,840 we know what we know and I think additionally what he added they did a 254 00:23:16,679 --> 00:23:24,520 survey uh that was around economic growth and development in 2016 so he was 255 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:28,960 discussing the survey results and then he was also sharing that part of this 256 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:34,000 was around the economic devel of bringing citizens into PB so then they' 257 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:40,200 be eating at our restaurants staying at hotels you know that the money would be 258 00:23:36,679 --> 00:23:44,919 once again he said to bring 500 people we didn't have one commissioner up there 259 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,799 that didn't think this through if we're going to have 500 people show up for 260 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:55,919 training where would they go to park out there where would 500 people fit I'm not 261 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:59,360 saying I age so I just my thing is there may have been some questionable it seems 262 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:03,640 like there's a lot of questionable things you know but what was the Moe of 263 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:08,159 buying that I don't really care at this point I think when things have been done 264 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:13,279 they've been done and the damage is done so who's going to make that right yeah 265 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:17,640 we're living in hiide unfortunate all this but I think truth to be told some 266 00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:24,200 of the deeper questions you guys have asked in our meetings and who did what 267 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:27,640 is his responsibility and the various stuff this committee is never going to 268 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:31,960 be able to get to some those answers we just just won't you don't have the 269 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:36,720 subpoena power I I know said subpoena power that's I could subpoena 270 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:41,240 anybody and they say no thanks Joe have a great day I got I personally know some 271 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:46,600 people from the city that are waiting for one because they want to talk to you 272 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:50,960 but they won't on their own so I feel like that that's sad because there's 273 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:57,080 people that want that and I can I add one thing though I 274 00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:01,799 I do think it is important for us part of the resolution is how did this happen 275 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:06,600 so we have to go back and ask ourselves how did this happen what was the mindset 276 00:25:04,399 --> 00:25:10,399 of the city at the time and it is important it doesn't make it right or 277 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,640 wrong it doesn't justify what happened but we have to that's why we have to it 278 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:21,039 seems a little more than a community that was strapped and starving for 279 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:27,000 economic development and some 500 bucks a month yeah well I mean but there's 280 00:25:24,919 --> 00:25:31,799 other Dynamics in play here too which is I believe that there was a fir that was 281 00:25:28,679 --> 00:25:37,000 required with the Ia involved the right was there appropriate 282 00:25:34,919 --> 00:25:40,880 state agency oversight were they doing the things they were supposed to do I 283 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:45,880 mean there there's a there's a lot to unbundle here in some ways and you know 284 00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:52,159 sometimes the answers can be very simple sometimes they're not and um the are you 285 00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:58,640 going to unbundle those do you intend to unbundle all of these things or are we 286 00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:02,120 just going to drive on over them and w I think that if they're appropriately if 287 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:07,559 they need to be addressed they will be addressed and but but keeping in mind 288 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:12,399 this is a Citizens group that has certain limited powers there's an 289 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,960 intention to bring these things to light you have an interest in that I'm sure 290 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:20,440 that if this committee does something that you find to be deficient you're 291 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:25,360 going to share your view them and I'm glad that people are aware of 292 00:26:22,679 --> 00:26:32,120 that I'm a little confused about one thing uh at the last meeting you 293 00:26:29,159 --> 00:26:37,120 specifically said that the environmental concerns and health concerns were not 294 00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:42,159 the perview of this committee but now you've just shown some interest in Scott 295 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:48,279 Smith's results and you said those would be important to know why are those 296 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:52,320 important well because it's it may not be important to know for this this 297 00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:57,399 committee per se but those are matters of public concern for all the citizens 298 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,679 and is as a part of a transparent process 299 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:09,080 I think everybody needs to know those things now the the the role of the EPA 300 00:27:06,399 --> 00:27:13,320 in this is something that I think I've seen some documents related to that and 301 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:18,559 I think that that would need to be addressed um so I I don't think my 302 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:24,960 comments are find out if Amber Hicks had the authority to sign off on this 303 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:29,960 because I asked about that it's unclear doesn't seem like she did 304 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:33,760 that seemed like should have gone up to the next 305 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:38,760 level she wasn't even in our region she was over in bware and what they 306 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:42,480 originally presented to her I'm not sure how much she knew if that's exactly what 307 00:27:40,399 --> 00:27:47,799 they were going to do here but anyway some somehow somewhere what they started 308 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:57,039 in Delaware and what we got it expanded to a point where it was a lot worse here 309 00:27:51,279 --> 00:28:03,039 so this was uh 2 2017 right that all I know was that in election year I don't 310 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:07,200 know because I'd be I'd be interested to see if there 311 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:12,640 were about 16 was well 16 was a presidential election year but but but 312 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:17,519 staggered terms of council you there could have been Council people running 313 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:22,480 don't know you got to look at schedle yeah because there might have been 314 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:28,120 incentives this type of technology to be yeah from our government like incentives 315 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:34,039 from our government to um Institute the this type of technology and stuff and 316 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:38,320 then little communities like ours uh you know say Hey you know that piece of the 317 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:46,320 pie looks good we can really use that money to build our infrastructure and 318 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:54,200 you know fund our Public Utilities fire department all this other stuff and so 319 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:59,000 they de with it and buy into it um and I think that's uh a little disingenuous uh 320 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,880 you know to if that if that was something that 321 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:08,720 did occur you know like I said that's going to be hard 322 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:15,240 to look into and come up with but you could at least look into around those 323 00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:21,840 years and see I guess maybe it was Obama back then or and just uh just see if 324 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:29,279 there was any like um environmental incentives being pushed out around those 325 00:29:25,159 --> 00:29:34,679 years for community to take advantage 326 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:39,760 of well there might have been like like some grants grants and Green Field 327 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:46,039 Brownfield Grayfield like environmental grants uh 328 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:52,360 environmental Technologies EPA grants wasn't there a push for green 329 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:57,159 energy at that like several years ago you know all that type of stuff it was I 330 00:29:54,919 --> 00:30:00,799 think it was in the news like we're going green 331 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:06,360 and all these businesses are going to get green energy tax incentives and I I 332 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:14,600 just think there was a lot of talk about that uh several years back and maybe 333 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:21,159 that has a push you know an incentive to to do with this whole thing and I also 334 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:29,159 have been reading on U The Battery Technology is being adopted um 335 00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:34,159 supposedly around Kentucky they said KY is supposed to be like the 336 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:40,960 battery Capital world of the world we were supposed to be yeah but okay 337 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:47,200 supposedly we were supposed to I don't quit joking I'm not okay I don't 338 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:53,360 know do you know what our slogan is dine we're leading the 339 00:30:48,919 --> 00:30:59,760 charge I like f okay 340 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:05,440 like the battery everything is B today is pretty 341 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:10,240 much and we they kind of jumped into this without doing a lot of research we 342 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:15,559 do a lot of research after we get into things to see you know after we discover 343 00:31:13,159 --> 00:31:18,880 issues or problems in in the world the next technolog is going to come out 344 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:25,240 we're going to end up with the same you know and and I I you know did did did 345 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:31,200 they look at it as an opportunity to become the leader in you know 346 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:36,279 in the world here you know because they had people from Norway here Sweden here 347 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:44,720 South Korea was here a lot of and look at the 348 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:50,519 big look at the big people in in lii Battery area I mean Tesla uses tons they 349 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:56,399 lot of money you know so they're pushing for things to get things done but I 350 00:31:53,639 --> 00:32:01,639 think initially it might started out as a potential gold mine 351 00:31:59,159 --> 00:32:06,440 for battery technology for battery for battery testing and technology and and 352 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:11,120 things like that because I know I mean we had the report I don't know if it was 353 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:17,080 in our gr packet or not or I read it someplace but New York 354 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:21,720 City has done the same testing that it was here their fire department with the 355 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:27,440 same companies that were here the same firms and and it's a very really long 356 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,720 comprehensive information packet from them 357 00:32:28,679 --> 00:32:36,200 that talked about the different Avenues and dangers and pluses and minuses and 358 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:42,279 things like that so to frame the issue Joe I think you mentioned this so when 359 00:32:39,159 --> 00:32:48,639 the initial discussions were evolving over what to do with this 360 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:55,440 property yeah the the impression I have is that people landed on the idea of a 361 00:32:52,880 --> 00:33:02,840 training facility train Fire Training Facility Green State univ some point it 362 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:07,200 changed into a testing facility absolutely a joint thing I mean more 363 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:12,519 testing than train but it was still there but the original 364 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:18,360 discussion did did not include the idea of it using it as a testing facility a 365 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:23,480 laboratory of shorts well I think in the agendas for or the minutes for the some 366 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:27,559 of those early commission and Planning Commission meetings there was no they 367 00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:33,159 mentioned battery it was from it was from day 368 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:36,960 one day one day one they they they had those power walls shipped here before we 369 00:33:35,159 --> 00:33:46,840 even had a sign resolution that's kind of how it started it was like Tesla I 370 00:33:41,399 --> 00:33:51,480 thinkes power pack power walls bur in the minutes for the commission and 371 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:58,559 Planning Commission meetings there was briefly mentioned like research like I 372 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:04,080 forget exactly the words yeah was they said testing so we kind of like misled 373 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:08,079 the Commissioners they didn't mention anything about burning that's why they 374 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:13,119 said the people that were on the commission at the time did this mean 375 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:19,720 burning you know they were like confused well this thing jumped off really quick 376 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:26,520 so 12517 the first email between Chief poer BGSU G Gonzalez dones artman hey I 377 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:33,440 understand you guys want to visit our our location here State 66 on 1211 they 378 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:40,040 have a site visit with Dal zartman BGSU car the Dos is there and 379 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:47,480 they're like hey we have an urgent need for some battery testing with DN D and 380 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:53,079 VG was engaged with Tesla Tom benman and his group they want to move forward they 381 00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:59,359 had they want to get testing done by 11:30 by 1:30 by by January 30th the 382 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:03,960 next year want to do some testing so this is this is six days later they're 383 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:10,119 on the site the next day the chief engages with EPA and Amber Hicks in 384 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:17,280 Delaware about how the process goes to get EPA then 12:15 Chief asked for a 385 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:23,200 onepage summary from uh Tom benman in that group so he can send it to Raba and 386 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,960 Dallas says he will have Nick send a detailed summary his first indication of 387 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:36,240 a Nick Warner in 1219 females Tom at BSF and d and Amber Hicks 388 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:44,320 and Jason fiser and they say you need to go and use Raba so by 12:29 Chief has 389 00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:47,400 turned his first application into burn and 390 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:54,480 by4 by4 approved Jason Simon and Craig 391 00:35:50,440 --> 00:36:00,400 Butler approv the the burn by 14 and then looks what year 392 00:35:58,359 --> 00:36:05,040 within five weeks but did any of that come before the city 393 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:10,119 commission I on the 18 394 00:36:08,319 --> 00:36:16,720 116 18 was the one meeting there's a lot of 395 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:19,720 people cop don't remember who yeah because they pull off YouTube and we 396 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:25,040 were all like what happened to the meeting on 11618 it's an excellent 397 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:30,640 summary well thank you I'm just telling you that that I've been 398 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:35,560 in business a lot long time you do something that fast and it's the first 399 00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:41,440 time you're ever doing it you're going to screw it up somebody needed to take a 400 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:46,119 step back and say wait a minute I don't care what your testing dates are we need 401 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:51,359 to understand I think theou was drafted during this period it was a whole series 402 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:56,280 of events that just launched off way too fast there was no resolution then yeah 403 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,720 they didn't think this went through they just pushed it pushed it we got to hurry 404 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:04,599 up here come the power walls we already shipped them but even before the January 405 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:09,000 16th commission meeting there was a Planning Commission 406 00:37:06,319 --> 00:37:13,839 meeting and they wanted to change verbage and everything I think it was 407 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,880 unanimous and there were only two individuals to my knowledge that came 408 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,839 forward during public comment during the Planning Commission meeting and had 409 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:27,079 questions about how this might affect the property values if I'm remembering 410 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:33,079 that right um but it was within the econom objectives of the city so I I 411 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:38,280 think it was unanimous vote and then went the city commission and you're 412 00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:45,640 correct it was unanimous for them as well yeah and Jo right it happened 413 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:51,079 like that's why the community is upset how did these people approve this no 414 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:56,440 questions well we were let down by EPA too yeah everybody we let down by 415 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:59,440 everybody Bowling Green let's not forget them there's a question 416 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:09,960 dueil dueil have you guys looked into what 417 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:16,400 kind of possible gain that BG made from this either Financial or uh you know 418 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:22,720 educational or I'm sure there had to been sort of financial game uh B 419 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:28,119 experienced through an extent they they've shut us down we have to know 420 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:32,520 exactly what we want from them otherwise they won't give it to us well it's a 421 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:38,400 good thing we have bunch of stuff if somebody has it that's awesome 422 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:42,599 but Nancy got shut down she tried she got a lot of stuff and then she went 423 00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:47,520 back and that turning sent you some letter and some other lady got involved 424 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:54,480 and they were like just too broad in scope so it's when you rewrite your your 425 00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:58,079 ask you reframe it you rewrite it you narrow it down 426 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:05,720 I think I saw something online where it was a uh it was something it was it 427 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,280 might have been a commission meeting or might have been another type of meeting 428 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:17,000 but Kevin isy cringy I call him 429 00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:23,920 cringy Kevin cran I think anyway they they question they questioned him and he 430 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:32,599 said is this going to affect the city in any adverse type of way and then he 431 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:37,800 answered no this is all plume smoke well what happens to Plumes that go up in 432 00:39:34,839 --> 00:39:43,000 this and in the sky we all we all learned uh through East Palestine what 433 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:49,000 happens when Plum smoke comes up goes up in the sky has to come down somewhere 434 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:57,640 according to Mr Lang it hung over swiftrun Lake because of an inversion 435 00:39:51,800 --> 00:40:02,319 Cloud type anomaly so I mean that's that's where we get our drinking water 436 00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:08,839 supply from you know that's very very very concerning yeah the resolution had 437 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:16,079 seven questions but you're not limited to those are you expanding into other 438 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:21,800 focuses such as the money Trail how did the city make money how 439 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:28,000 was money shuffled back and forth from these companies B and 440 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:31,280 green you have that Incorporated in the 441 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:37,680 outline yeah the outline but to this great 442 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:42,480 question answer to launch off to get get the report started on the Baseline we 443 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:48,160 focused on the seven questions and once we get those answer get the report there 444 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:52,680 then we about the next step and um you know but to finish my one comment is is 445 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:59,720 to get some of the questions that you guys have and people involved um I I 446 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:04,880 think somewhere somehow that's going to be a lawsuit somebody's going to be 447 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:10,160 deposed because I just don't I just don't see anybody give those Hest 448 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:15,280 answers another thing about the batteries the batteries themselves when 449 00:41:13,319 --> 00:41:22,760 we would go out there there were about size of two LG refrigerators 450 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:30,400 one stacked on the top of ladder didn't even reach you couldn't even guy pul 451 00:41:26,359 --> 00:41:36,079 himself up from the ladder what type of battery is that was just was that just 452 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:41,119 the containment system and there's actually car batteries stacked in that 453 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:45,760 containment system or was that an entire battery video I'll show you okay that's 454 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:50,520 a great question but the city never required a bill liting nobody ever 455 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:56,280 recorded or took pictures or or documented what was brought 456 00:41:53,119 --> 00:42:01,839 in city has that you know if that was a battery within itself so that big that's 457 00:41:59,319 --> 00:42:07,720 something that would be akin to something that would power a large large 458 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:13,760 large like solar power from my understanding Nick those were used in 459 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:19,480 submarines aircraft what are we doing submarine matter for military around the 460 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:25,359 world really one person that question is the third party who was doing the burn 461 00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:25,359 out there he has that informational 462 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,920 so 463 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:45,000 Marine solar system well Energy Systems like s and so it started out kind 464 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:50,839 of small with uh Tesla wall all batteries and then we have Korea coming 465 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:59,280 in that great then we have South Korea and all these visitors from Chrysler 466 00:42:53,880 --> 00:43:05,319 dler and whoever else uh Mr BMW Mercedes Mercedes whoever whoever else Mr oror 467 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:10,559 mentioned at one of the commission meetings so a lot of private citizens 468 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,800 that we can't get access to they won't just talk they w't talk to us for fear 469 00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:18,680 that they're going to be involved in a lawsuit yeah so they are not going to 470 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:23,680 speak to us they have no reason to so that's what I mean so those are 471 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:29,040 great questions but unfortunately people have those answers are private citizens 472 00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:35,640 that we can't yeah I mean those car companies what do they have to do with 473 00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:35,640 fire train 474 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:47,720 I this huge push to electric vehicles yeah but I mean it was 475 00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:54,720 designated at the very onset fire training with the very first 476 00:43:51,240 --> 00:44:00,760 day one they were burning so and so I feel like if you look at the 477 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:06,280 agendas on the commission meetings commission 478 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:12,720 meetings briefly talk talking about they they used that as the rle in the law the 479 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:17,000 Ohio revised code to get the permit they had to use firefighter training as the 480 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:21,960 excuse because if you're a firefighter you can burn anything you want yeah so 481 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:26,400 they're operating under that permit that's why they had to get the new 482 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:31,240 permit there you go at some point Incorporated 483 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:36,240 testing burn training and testing easier to keep things under the 484 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:42,680 radar yeah firefighter training you're fine wasn't the first firefighter actual 485 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:47,119 firefighter training April 2024 or whatever they had to open house yes that 486 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:52,000 was the first actual firefighter training and that is when the 20e 487 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:58,119 contract started on that building yeah a week prior to the EPA arriving they 488 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:02,760 stake their claim in the ground and said we got a building now no we got a we got 489 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:08,920 a burn building this is this now we're legit we were fire we were a fire 490 00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:14,800 training facility all along you know EPA there's nothing look got logos on it 491 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:19,839 yeah we got logos we got a door on sign it makes us 492 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:24,599 legit no you're you're a defunct water treatment facility if you want to if you 493 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:29,920 want to build out your proper fire training facility you know all the bells 494 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:35,240 and whistles then like you need to talk to the city too about the where 495 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:40,240 everything drains out there you know how everything that whole property drains to 496 00:45:38,359 --> 00:45:45,040 our River I think that's beyond the scope 497 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,640 what this commit well I think though if youve got recommendations maybe 498 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:54,760 recommend that the city does not let that property drain out there would 499 00:45:51,520 --> 00:46:00,359 drainage but you got you've got the this ground this I want to call it the 500 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,680 community meeting with test results and everything else it seems to me that's 501 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:08,040 the logical place where those pieces of the discussion would come out but you 502 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:13,079 guys are supposed to do recommendations right so that could be a recommendation 503 00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:17,680 we don't feel like this property should drain into the river I think that 504 00:46:15,319 --> 00:46:22,040 there's a that there is the fact that you're here the fact that you're doing 505 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:26,680 the things that you're doing means that there is are a group of concerned 506 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:31,520 citizens who want more than what this Comm committee is just going to do this 507 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:35,559 is going to tell you how we got here you're talking about what's what if 508 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,960 anything needs to be done to fix it you're indicating that the preliminary 509 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:43,359 information you have suggests that that needs to be done but that sure as heck 510 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:48,920 is Way Beyond anything this committee can be can do I don't think soil results 511 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:53,440 have anything to do with drainage of soil well what I'm saying is is that 512 00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:58,520 this committee isn't going to hire experts they don't have any funding for 513 00:46:55,079 --> 00:47:02,720 that they do in the actually how many times do I have to remind you have you 514 00:47:00,839 --> 00:47:09,400 read the resolution I just I just pulled it up and I'll pull it up again it has 515 00:47:05,319 --> 00:47:09,400 money in there for for experts 516 00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:18,440 actually and as a comme without Chris giving his opinion aren't you concerned 517 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:23,240 about the toxic results and the drainage of the soil are you limiting yourself 518 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,440 but you also have two people that said it's clean 519 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:34,520 Scott pH both said it's clean who did Jack 520 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:39,680 Lang and Scott Phillips and I can show the video Scott was talking about his 521 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:44,559 property it probably makes you happy doesn't it yeah because they said 522 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:50,040 they're experts they're well it seems to me that if you've got additional testing 523 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:54,040 that hasn't been produced yet that that information will is relevant to the 524 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:58,319 discussion but nobody can reach any conclusions till they see that 525 00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:08,000 I mean we for our report we want to have these reports to discuss them in our 526 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:13,960 report yeah absolutely now you do have the ability to go back to commission and 527 00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:21,079 ask for additional funds so you know if you shouldn't so need them to do 528 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:24,760 remediation yeah to do extra things within your you know you really could 529 00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:28,760 help out the city because if you love the city you should probably want them 530 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:33,280 to not be sued right I don't know it would be great if they they don't have 531 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:38,480 to be sued you know what I mean we have to sue every everybody to get that 532 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:43,280 remediated out there I guess this what's going to have to happen but see we were 533 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:50,160 just kind of hoping that maybe it didn't have to get to that point you know and 534 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:55,640 that a few good citizens A Few Good Men could get in 535 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:59,440 there do the right thing you know so you you believe that the commit is waiting 536 00:48:57,319 --> 00:49:05,040 for a recommendation or the council's waiting for a recommendation of this 537 00:49:01,319 --> 00:49:11,640 committee it says you you you hire patronize me 538 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:15,880 no I'm curious okay it does talk about the committee does have can make 539 00:49:13,319 --> 00:49:21,520 requests for certain things but but fundamentally that money comes from the 540 00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:26,319 public treasury that that contract would be between the expert in the city to go 541 00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:32,040 and do whatever the scope of work would be I feel the government needs to pay 542 00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:35,599 for the remediation what I'm asking something different okay okay because 543 00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:39,720 you jump to the that there absolutely needs to be 544 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:44,920 remediation that I don't know if there's anything that definitively says that 545 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:50,839 there is contamination there there's no question the process of burning lithium 546 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:55,319 ion batteries can create contaminant but whether or not that's 547 00:49:52,680 --> 00:50:01,400 led to contamination well I know what happened to me physically that I've have 548 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:09,559 thorough documentation on and some other folks and you know that with the with 549 00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:16,920 the testing results and yeah it's I would I would love nothing more than the 550 00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:22,400 city to take this seriously and and so there's pieces to this it seems to me 551 00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:26,000 they're clearly engaging they this report will be done you know what we we 552 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:34,520 were wanting to rip you guys apart today you did a good job I think liked your 553 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:41,880 summary even your input was kind of welcome David great updates jarck 554 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:46,760 great updates but I feel like I don't know like my 555 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:50,559 detector is going off like and that's fair and I'm not going 556 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:57,480 to try and argue you shouldn'ts like you're talking 557 00:50:54,200 --> 00:51:01,400 side result there's a process and I think you're talking too much 558 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:05,799 because it's really the committee yeah that should be doing this research and 559 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:10,000 they can they can pull you in when they ask for your advice but you just 560 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:14,799 dominate the conversation well I'm sorry I'm sorry you feel that I don't think so 561 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:18,799 but I've got the most experience I've got the most experence I've got the most 562 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:24,880 experience in how these processes work this is a process I'm not influencing an 563 00:51:20,839 --> 00:51:28,920 outcome I'm helping you a no I'm not if if you want to reach that conclusion you 564 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:32,359 reach that conclusion the fact is there's a process this committee is 565 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,280 going to have a conclusion but you're telling them what the process should be 566 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:41,400 they should be the ones toci they the process is is a universal process gather 567 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:45,119 information from all sources read the information prepare a report put it out 568 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:50,559 there for people to make the conclusions that they have you have people on this 569 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:55,599 side you should re eliminate topics I'm there's no been no topic that has 570 00:51:52,359 --> 00:52:00,240 definitively been eliminated when we no no when we met last week I said we're in 571 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:07,520 the middle of a process where it goes is to be detered said the environment not 572 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:14,359 per but it is is could can this committee say this should be looked into 573 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:21,480 yes they can should they well should they resolution again again you got to 574 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:27,240 you have to get there first and the process hasn't played out you have no 575 00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:31,200 you you're the one you're the one who's challenging me so I'm responding I'd 576 00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:34,079 like to hear from the committee but you dominate I I don't think they need to 577 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,760 hear from them because I think they're going to agree with me I'm here to hear 578 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:43,640 the committee does the committee have 579 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:47,640 anything to say on this yeah I hear what you're saying but let me ask 580 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:56,160 you I'm not being humorous I'm being serious so if you drop a rock and a 581 00:52:53,799 --> 00:53:01,920 feather at the same time which one hits the ground 582 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:08,839 the vacuum both exactly that global warming is it exist does it 583 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:13,079 not exist I got arguments on both sides I don't think we're not experts we can't 584 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:17,119 Aline on the results of the test because I don't know what the hell they say I 585 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:20,160 see big numbers I see why us consult with experts 586 00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:31,839 it'ser we we weren't assigned to figure out if this is or not 587 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:36,240 contaminated we get that is a city commission's 588 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,680 decision I'm very concerned but it's not our decision the Commissioners have to 589 00:53:37,799 --> 00:53:43,319 say we're going to Pony up the money we're going to take this bull by the 590 00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:47,559 horn and we're going to do testing we're the City commissioners this is our 591 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:51,079 responsibility you guys are tasked with seven things how did you start burning 592 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:58,280 you're noteven we are because they seven is 593 00:53:54,920 --> 00:54:02,400 recommendations could you there in the resolution do you think 594 00:54:00,359 --> 00:54:06,640 they're going to give us $50,000 for testing of do you think we're going to 595 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,640 get 596 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,040 that they won't do it on their 597 00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:20,880 own, you could get answers with five to 10 which You' already isn't that the 598 00:54:19,319 --> 00:54:24,559 purpose of the zoom meeting that you're that you were hoping to have on the 27 599 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:29,000 my question hasn't even been answered I just wanted to know where 600 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:32,319 you were supposed to come up with one of the seven questions come up with 601 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:36,920 recommendations could one of the recommendations be let's not draining 602 00:54:34,799 --> 00:54:42,920 this freaking facility straight into our river that goes to the Gulf of Mexico I 603 00:54:38,839 --> 00:54:48,520 don't know that I Haven SE test and then that's at least we're getting 604 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:52,720 somewhere I don't see anything else let's speak to this contamination these 605 00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:58,839 contamination results real quick cuz I went to who contamination results you're 606 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,839 all tell you I went to this 607 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:07,520 special I did go to a special Commission 608 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:13,520 meeting uh with the fire fire department there and the results were presented U 609 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:20,119 at that meeting okay they said there was high level uh 610 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:24,400 high levels of arsenic found in the soil standard for this area that's what they 611 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:30,200 is we live in a two different kinds look it up expert I'm sorry are you looking 612 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:34,240 at I did our is high in Ohio I'm just telling I'm just telling 613 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:41,280 you what yeah you're right though you're right and then it went on to disclose 614 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:47,119 that the highest amount of contamination was found in that chlorine room where 615 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:54,160 they did a lot of The Burning uh a lot of the smaller scale testing I'm 616 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:58,119 assuming um so I don't know what the the mitigation practices are going to be 617 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:04,359 that boring room I don't know if they're going to tear it down but it's just I I 618 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:09,599 look upon this as maybe like people that come in and remove remove asbest you 619 00:56:07,319 --> 00:56:15,760 would have to have something on that level and have a have a contamination 620 00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:22,119 group come in and capsulate all that and and and take it apart and transport it 621 00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:27,359 appropriately and dispose of it appropriately and I'm I'm curious as to 622 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:34,799 whether you guys have found any as to where all of the materials were 623 00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:34,799 disposed 624 00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:51,119 of stand now I like there was a big there was a big H 625 00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:57,480 hogar trash receptacle out there but we we the city evicted them you know I 626 00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:05,280 believe in proper convicted them because they allow them to you know dismantle 627 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:13,319 their stuff so let's have a third party from and dismantle that some somebody 628 00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:19,000 that's well versed in this Arena let's have them come in and mitigate practices 629 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:27,880 and dismantling everything because then you don't have the the worry of um 630 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:35,280 any mes or you know any play or anything like that um you know I 631 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:41,480 so I want to address the issue of the money don't get the resolution pulled 632 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:45,000 up section five of the resolution City leison shall be assigned to the 633 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:49,920 committee by the mayor to assist in the retrieval of documents answer questions 634 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:53,319 arrange interviews with Personnel Etc the committee will further have the 635 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:59,720 ability to engage with Third Party Experts or counselor as necessary with 636 00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:05,599 the approval of the city commission so because they control the pur 637 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:09,200 Springs the requests can be made but the city commission would have to then 638 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:14,359 appropriate the funds for that I think the community would would respect and 639 00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:18,280 appreciate the right and what what I I think accuse me of keep speaking out of 640 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:23,079 both sides of my mouth which I'm not doing but to your 641 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:29,920 point if this committee sees the need that that other 642 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:34,599 work would need to be done that would require the expenditure of money just 643 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,599 generally I would expect that they would make a recommendation to the city 644 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:41,480 commission that that money be appropriated for whatever that purpose 645 00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:45,760 is without saying what it is because there's still on the process and that's 646 00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:50,960 all I'm saying there's a process here the process has been furthered because 647 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:54,680 now in the drafting stage another component of that process is you have 648 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,440 additional information that you're going to be sharing at a public form 649 00:58:56,599 --> 00:59:02,760 that will have some relevance to what this committee is doing where that 650 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:08,720 information leads this committee is to be determined again it's the process and 651 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:12,480 I don't think that the process is precluded by anything because it depends 652 00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:18,799 on what they find city approved 653 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:25,160 $25,000 towards the end of this calendar year are you alone gobbling that all up 654 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:30,880 or is some of that also for experts that's yeah that's going to be for them 655 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:34,680 to decide when the when the the draft is complete why do they have to wait till 656 00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:39,200 the draft is complete you need experts as you go along they're you know what 657 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:43,599 they're going through their process okay I misspoke that let he what the 658 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:50,520 chairperson has to say we need to get through this draft of the report because 659 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:55,799 I'm planning on more questions coming up as we get closer to the finishing of the 660 00:59:52,359 --> 01:00:01,599 report now like you're saying you know if it becomes necessary for us to make a 661 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:06,799 recommendation based you know if we can see Scott Smith's results and compare 662 01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:11,119 all these results you know maybe yeah we'll find something and a 663 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,839 recommendation does need to be made to the city commission but at the end of 664 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:18,119 the day like Chris is saying it's it's the city commission that's going to make 665 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:25,480 these decisions I mean we're not we don't have any ability to say we want 666 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:32,240 this expert you do too we can ask for it Commission what really gets me is the 667 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:37,079 the the taxpayer has footed the bill yeah every step of the way right through 668 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:43,160 through the beginning to where we are right now the taxpayer has funded every 669 01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:49,440 bit of this and and you're talking about everything from having uh city workers 670 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:56,039 come down from the water plant to help with their stuff paying their WiFi 671 01:00:52,559 --> 01:01:03,240 signage you know on and on and on okay we have footed the bill all along the 672 01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:09,440 way and I I think that's terrible um I think some other people higher up in our 673 01:01:06,839 --> 01:01:16,760 community should take a pay cut you know and and 674 01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:24,920 kind of like yeah give back uh towards this um issue because they might be just 675 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:34,480 leave they might be cable of causing a lot of this go 676 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:39,359 down you know if you have a 20e contract before your eyes you know you better 677 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:45,680 read into that before saying well I'm just going to re up and sign this for 678 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:50,680 another 20 years and and and go on before you know you're looking at at any 679 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:54,279 repercussions you're not looking at business across the street from you 680 01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:58,400 you're not looking at the source water that's above you you know 681 01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:03,359 looking that there's a park across the street from you you're not looking that 682 01:02:00,359 --> 01:02:08,599 there's a bicycle path above you you know it's just ridiculous totally 683 01:02:06,359 --> 01:02:12,760 ridiculous if they if they wanted to do this in a gravel pit somewhere I would 684 01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:18,319 be more comfortable I don't know how feasible 685 01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:23,000 that would be but I'm just saying they could have kept this away from our Parks 686 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:27,480 and Recreation and our water supply and those people that were working down 687 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:31,119 there from waterers Department Plan those people who thought their jobs were 688 01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:36,400 threatened if they wouldn't come down and work for this 689 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:41,520 company why they didn't step forward and say wow there's plume smoke going over 690 01:02:39,319 --> 01:02:48,960 Swift Run Lake and we get we draw our water supplies from Swift L I don't know 691 01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:54,160 why they step forward and say I want to go back to 692 01:02:51,680 --> 01:03:00,359 Kevin he did mention one of those commission he said no this is just plume 693 01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:06,119 smoke well you know what plume is plume smoke those particles you know you see 694 01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:09,880 that those particles haven't fully combusted we're just kind of going 695 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:14,720 around circles and circles so I think we make what is stopping you from 696 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:20,599 contacting Scott Smith directly sure Scott and after the last 697 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:28,440 meeting you and Joe were H to tr to talk to Alicia inter her she that she was 698 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:33,039 available did you follow through on that you talk about what I'm sorry about 699 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:37,200 following through with talking to Alicia you wanted to interview after the last 700 01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:46,839 meeting we talked about to do it public what I'm not 701 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:50,079 saying the in the other long room don't remember conversation I'm not saying 702 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:55,039 you're wrong I just don't remember well you're not interested in she's she's 703 01:03:52,160 --> 01:04:00,000 saying she's available I'm more than available I've been waiting since the 704 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:06,559 last meeting for you all and I haven't gotten in any kind of 705 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:11,279 letter with the little cute little logos or 706 01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:16,520 nothing so when you guys say that we're waiting on documents from the public we 707 01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:19,960 we're going to reach out to you you're going to give them the documents that 708 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:25,960 you have if they ask for that's not what I said that's not what she said but we 709 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:29,920 we had open interviews and I'm not not opposed to sharing information will you 710 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:34,440 share the information you have with this committee I'm asking now well I mean I 711 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:39,440 think we could we could discuss that how about you reach out to me and we'll talk 712 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:45,359 I'm happy to do that I'm happy to talk to you 713 01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:49,160 your save Pi gmail.com you've emailed me before I have y I think I even followed 714 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:59,760 up on that so yeah I think you yeah follow up 715 01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:04,279 can review the questions that pass T and I don't know when the next meeting is is 716 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:11,079 going to be a Thursday from down no okay so at the next meeting maybe 717 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:18,160 watch this back and say well that was a good question let's let's revisit and 718 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:22,680 then get them an answer and so next meeting we can go over some of this 719 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:29,400 stuff and maybe we'll have more clarity have you sent out any letters for any 720 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:36,559 inters I mean I know you have like a rubric as as David shared is that there 721 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:41,720 are uh ex there are exity employees as well as current and existing people that 722 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:46,640 were involved that we've already reached out to to start those interview request 723 01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:50,920 um and I hope that those come through because that will give us a lot more 724 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:54,640 information to a lot of just the missing pieces right 725 01:05:52,599 --> 01:05:59,160 now that's what you said no I didn't say anything about 726 01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:03,760 interviews a month ago a month ago I said that we need to really sit through 727 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:09,279 the information to understand the gaps and then the and that's now what we're 728 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:13,920 doing is trying to conduct interviews so are there 729 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:21,079 any are there any statute of limitation dates that will pass while is taking so 730 01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:27,920 long ask okay do you know what the last day 731 01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:31,920 to file like let's say everyone in here wants to file a lawsuit What's the 732 01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:35,160 statute of limitations the 733 01:06:36,279 --> 01:06:44,920 date not anywh around C 734 01:06:41,799 --> 01:06:50,319 say apprciate everyone com I believe it's two years but I would just like an 735 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:55,160 expert to confirm that is it two years from answer question you're the attorney 736 01:06:53,599 --> 01:07:00,839 I'm not the attorney for this group I'm repres this which I'm asking a I'm not 737 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:06,319 I'm not I'm not provid that's legal advice I'm not your 738 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:11,000 lawyers I just I'm just asking just a standard 739 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:15,520 thing how Jer how how are you coming along on 740 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:20,400 that timeline that you were working on are you still yeah and we have the 741 01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:24,160 timeline and we're working in and putting it into the electronic format of 742 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:31,079 the draft so that way it's all electroni you think it could fill that 743 01:07:26,359 --> 01:07:35,799 it could probably be it probably changed a 744 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:42,400 be opinion but that's your 745 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,400 opinion there's a motion on the 746 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:58,720 floor okay all in favor I I I'm glad they all got to see me 747 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:06,279 tonight thank you I'd love to get a letter i' love to meet 748 01:08:16,679 --> 01:08:20,679 you do 749 01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:30,159 me down you stopped me from leaving the 750 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:38,000 room I don't remember that