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Okay, welcome to the Pick and County Board of County Commissioners' work session on Tuesday, April 28th. And first on our agenda is an hour-long discussion on radio infrastructure update, Ellis.

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Philismatize, the system manager, and also with me here is Richard Pryor.

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Please chief with the city of Aspen and the communication board chair.

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And Jeff Gets, Geltz, thanks, who is our radio technician.

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And Jeff's been the smoothest two-plus years now.

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So he's had enough time to understand what system we have.

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The memo kind of outlined the story that we've gone through, the communications system had

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that identified by the communication board as having some difficulties, interference,

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noise, having to change channels all the time, not sure what channel, they needed to move

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as they moved up and down the valley because of how the radios connected to the different

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towers. The other issue they have is that State Patrol C-DOT, which is a problem for

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our wooden bridge, are on the state's D-T-R-S digital trunk radio system, or the 800 MHz system.

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So we do not talk to each other on radios. When we have special events, I understand the

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city has radios that they will provide to agency, other agency personnel coming in so they can

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talk on our VHF system. So we had a professional study done of our system and they identified

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quite a few issues that we have and made a recommendation on how to fix it, turning

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it into a simulcast system. I'm learning about all these terms, I must say. When we presented

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The candidates to the COM board, they said, well, what about 800?

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You know, we have our other agencies, the Eagle County.

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They use the 800 system as well as Garfield County.

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So some of our mutual aid players are using 800.

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A specific problem is in basalt where they're half in Eagle County, where they're on 800.

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And in baking county, where we're on VHF.

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So moving to 800 would make the results issues a lot simpler.

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So we went out and looked for a second opinion.

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We went to Motorola.

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They had an option that would need the state approval and the state came to us and offered

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really to partner with us on an 800 system.

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So we're still in the middle of doing our due diligence.

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We don't have the propagation maps, so we're the radio signals will cover and we're the

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sites should be. But we already have three sites that run in our valley. One at sunlight,

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one at our site at Crown Mountain, and one at Ajax, which is also the county's lease with

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the Forest Service. So up and down the valley, it's good, it's really in the drainage. So we identified

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quite a few spots, so the state needs to come back. What the states willing to partner with us on,

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Where we were quoted anywhere from a half a million to $750,000 a site to develop is more

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like $225,000.

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So just the actual capital equipment cost and the state would partner with us on installing

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it, programming it, maintaining it as well as replacing it, which really makes the cost

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The cost of VHF and 800 be comparable, because that was everyone's, I guess, the advantage

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of the VHF was that we already had a good system.

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We could just optimize it a little differently and gain the coverage.

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But still we have a system that only we support.

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If we had something happen with the 800 system, we'd have support from Garfield, from the state

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technicians.

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There's two state technicians that are located in Glenwood Springs.

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Now they have a large area that they cover, but they're local for the most part.

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And there's also technicians in Eagle County, so we have quite a few resources on the system.

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So that's what we're looking at.

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We did a price comparison for the two systems for the presentation to the conboard.

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with the signal cast that Pentecost was recommending and then the state's DTRS system and it's

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really close to the same price up front but in the long term the coverage and the replacement

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and the maintenance is a lot less. So we're looking at that part of the key to this is the

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the Consoles for the Dispatch Center, because Dispatch is almost the Center of Radio Transmissions.

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So we've been holding off replacing our Dispatch Consoles.

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There's nothing wrong with them right now, they're fine, as long as we're not using 800,

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but if we decided to use 800, we'd need new Consoles in Dispatch.

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So they've been budgeted for quite a few years, and we keep carrying over the funds until

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we can figure out what should our system be.

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So we're here to give you an update that that's where we're at.

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The price tag for a new system is something like, it'll be anywhere between $3 and $5

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million.

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It's a really big spread because we're not sure what infrastructure within our radio and

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TV system needs to be upgraded, buildings, we have a tower on Red Mountain that needs to

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be replaced.

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So some of those pieces need to be replaced anyway, which is really leading to the big variable and some of that money is also been budgeted in the translator budget and is already appropriated for this year.

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So we're trying to get some things ahead of time.

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So I think that's kind of the high point of it.

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We'd come back to you once we fully vet this 800 option.

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We're trying to get connections with other counties in the state.

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We were asked well and well done Adams County dropped out of the state's DTRS system and kind of support them their own.

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Mostly because there wasn't supported funding from the state.

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There was an act last year that dedicated funding for the state system.

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I think the next 10 or 15 years, so I really think the times now to move to the 800 from

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everything that I'm reading, but we wanted to let you have a chance to ask questions

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and I have folks behind me that can help.

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So I agree that we need to look, we've been talking about moving towards the 800 to 10 for

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many a year now.

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What if, what would happen if we did have the opportunity to go with the broadband first net for public safety?

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Would that render us not in need of the 800?

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Would it be a different system than the 800?

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It's a different system but I think it would set us up well from what the state tells me so LTE,

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which I think is part of moving to first net broadband.

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and LTU be the next generation of communication for public safety and the 800

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system would set us up for that. And because I hate for us to be going in that

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direction and then be slammed with the opportunity to go to first net.

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Right

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now the projection for first net, for using it for, well, other things you call this

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mission critical voice in about 10 years now. That's what, you know, it's gonna be

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about 10 years before you really would even be using that for dispatch kind of capabilities.

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So Adams County, isn't it Adams that went to where they were the first pilot program

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for FirstNet and they have there on that that system's up and running now, correct?

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It is, but only there in their own little confines.

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I think they also tried to use some of it for the world championships in Vale, my understanding

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and it had it's yeah it was kind of shaky.

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Yeah, it had its plus and minuses.

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But it was a good pilot project.

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That's what they needed to do to see how it wouldn't work.

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So everybody's trying to figure that system out.

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And funding in the long run, we're looking at multiple

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opportunities.

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Some funds, we already have a lot of some funds.

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We're hoping to get maybe some back up with the state.

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And then there's a gap there that we're looking

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for how to fill that.

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The system also serves because it's

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All the public safety agencies in the valley, so town of the south,

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town of Snowmass Village, City of Aspen.

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We've met with managers who are supporting this and we need to figure it out on how we can fund it.

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But we think we have some opportunities.

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There's also a new site that the state is promoting that is actually in Gunnison County.

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But that Holy Cross wants, and the state wants, and it would be great for us.

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that would cover the whole crystal valley, which right now we don't have good coverage.

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So we think we're building some really good partnerships from the beginning and also

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possible for grant opportunities on a site like that where you have so many agencies that

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are coming together.

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I met with Chuck Vale yesterday regarding the issues of interoperability, apparently there's

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an interoperability coordinator at the state.

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So, to find out where the future dollars are, because we would be looking maybe to make

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a final transition by 2017, which would give agencies a chance to turn their units, their

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hand-held and their car radios over to be able to operate on this system.

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So, what future funding is out there?

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How do we, what's the most attractive pieces of what we're trying to put together?

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So I just build on, you know, what Phyllis is saying and the managers from the municipalities

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have been meeting with the con board in the last couple of meetings around these issues

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because financing is going to be, it's going to be a significant issue.

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We do not have the, historically this has been done a little bit ad hoc through the county

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on the infrastructure side with the towers and the infrastructure, everything, but the

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radios, really, which the agencies have been buying.

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So, as we look at a significant investment, we have communicated that there needs to be

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a partnership.

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The managers have been at the table to try and help figure out what the financing would be

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because there's going to be a significant gap that needs to be covered locally to do this.

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It's not just the switch really to take 100 that we're talking about.

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It's eliminating single points of failure that have existed in the system for very long time,

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as well as what is our opportunity as we seek to replace aging infrastructure.

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This is another piece of our infrastructure in need of renewal and modernization.

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Great. Thanks. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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This brings up a lot of questions. And I know we're just on initial steps and appreciate the background steps that our staff and others have been working on.

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So I'll just make some kind of broad comments that I believe should be answered more fully. Maybe they can be answered now, but maybe more fully in the future.

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From different CCI commissioners talking about 800 systems, they have complained that there's problems with the terrain.

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And I'm not into this way, others are, I'm a novice at best.

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But they call it more of a narrow, narrow range, and then it doesn't work as well in mountainous terrains.

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I've heard that particularly from Hindsdale County and some others.

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So, I want to make sure that we are cognizant of that, maybe it's a matter of more sites like you're saying and things like that, but I think it is just so important to understand what are the future upgrades and what are the future mandates that may come down because for these other counties they've been kind of complaining about the 800 being a standard the state wants them to move to and if they don't move to that they can't get the state money, but it's just so expensive in the word what's not going to be next.

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So we have to mandate and move to some other system in another six years or eight years or something like that.

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So kind of for the public and certainly all of us it's going to be the life of their investment.

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How long will this investment hold them?

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And what will be those improved life safety emergency services?

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But to try to look into that crystal ball and see what are the future upgrades and future mandates coming down for me.

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They're the FCC or the state of Colorado.

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The other is that I think that while it's important and it's the right step that the managers are involved early,

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I think we need to start getting on the agenda of the boards themselves and making sure that the boards and through the board process with the grassroots and things like that,

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that begin to start to hit the public of those communities in basalt and snowman, so which to understand this, whether we're proceeding towards a debt question or something like that when we actually have to finance this, laying the groundwork now is going to be important. So it's not a new issue.

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Philis and then we'll go to Georgia.

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Just to back up, you made some good points.

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The county's been responsible.

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So for the infrastructure all along and didn't have support from the other jurisdictions. And I think as we were pulling this apart and trying to figure out why the system isn't working as well as it should was really it was never maintained or supported. Because the county did what it could and it wasn't administrative in one place. And as technicians turned over, technicians would fix one part and they would leave after three, five years and the next technician would come in.

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and do something different.

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So one thing for sure is being able to talk to everyone

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and having a unified solution that everyone knows about

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and agrees that we're moving in a direction

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is really important.

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Because even fixing the current system costs

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about the same price tag to stick with what we have

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versus moving to 800 because of the state support.

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All the other, when we went to Motorola, they're like,

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oh, 800's gonna cost you twice as much.

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You could go to this instead.

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But the state's partnership made them be the same cost, which made it kind of interesting and we think having a system that wouldn't be subject to individual texts, specialties or skills as we move through texts would be an advantage.

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Are you talking the long run?

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Yeah, we need to talk the long run.

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So a lot of the costs will go towards setting up new sites is that they're not some of

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them are new in that they're not operating right now, but they're already leased.

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We have a lease for the Forest Service for Loge Peak, which is the top of Highlands ball

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where the ski patrol building is.

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We don't have anything in that site right now.

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I think we might have a repeater, but nothing that's on a massive scale up of sending signals

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out.

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So we would be looking at that.

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It already, the key things are it has to have power.

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You have to be able to access the site 365 days a year, and you need to be able to get

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backhaul to it, whether it's microwave.

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away. I talked to Holy Cross last week and they're also interested in being

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partners because they use an 800 system and so they're interested in co-locating

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on some of these other sites that we're identifying. So although they're new,

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we're not starting from scratch except for one that the state wants to start,

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so they would be doing the permitting through the Forest Service and not picking

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county. All the other sites are already identified as communication sites one way

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the other. Either BLM, Forest Service 1, State Lamp, or I think that's all the options

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we have. Is there a site? One of those site, or are they up on the upper front?

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There is one. Holy Cross has a site on Red Table. We're looking at what the propagation

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maps, so where the radio signals will go and that answers Rachel, your question of how far

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do those kind of signals go? We want to know where they should be able to get reception.

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So red table and Holy Cross is willing to partner with the state to make that a site.

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It already has 800 equipment and backhaul to it and power.

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And then there's red hill right by the boat launch above that.

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That is a site that we already have a lease for.

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We just don't have anything that's operating on that site and that may be a potential fill

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in sight because we're concerned that from red tables some of the root I

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in the the frying pan valley will get shadowed actually by Red Hill. I know that

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there's actually a hand radio associations probably around the state but

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there's a small collective group that is involved who lives up in the upper

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frying pan and that's how they communicate and they are able to utilize that for

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emergencies now. So what you said earlier was that this could potentially be a way for

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those hand radio operators to be able to tap right into this 800 as an alternative.

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No, I think that's still for public safety. It's a closed network.

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But to go one step further, it's really the backhaul and what can we do with it? Well, backhaul is

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the connectivity that they need to make the radio system work. It's also the same connectivity

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that's needed for internet and cell service.

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So we're trying to tie in our broadband study

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to see where the needs are and where the infrastructure is.

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And we might be able to partner those two projects together

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to get the connectivity to the sites that we need.

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And maybe there's a loop that can be done

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that benefits both services.

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So the internet may be the place where they'll be able to tap into.

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And we have the Senate in Red Mountain, isn't there, did I hear that there's a possibility

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we might be able to eliminate that site because it is badly needed to repair which.

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It is badly needed to repair for a public safety site.

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If it's TV, if it's only TV and FM, it's not in such bad repair.

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There is one tower that needs to be replaced that has a leg that's going to fail at some

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point, who knows when. So we'd like to get that done. And the solar, it's only run by

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solar. Right. It doesn't have electric power. And when I contact it, Holy Cross and

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the Forest Service, in order to run power there, it has to be completely underground up the

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road, which is over five miles and would be over five, let's see, $500,000 at the low end

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of the cost to run power there. So it's really not a great site. And it's hard to get to

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365 days of the year. For TV and FM, it would be sufficient. And if we could eliminate

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that side as public safety, because right now it's a single point of failure within

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our system. So we spend a lot of staff time of people driving a snowcat up there which

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takes a really long time. We maintain that road often, not often enough, but it's a difficult

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spot to get to. So that's something we might be able to cure during this whole process.

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That's one of our target areas. I think right now that will bring in a discussion

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as to where dispatch is located, because I have to have a right now, our line of sight

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is to Red Mountain. And so those are all the options that we're looking at. Those consoles

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are incredibly important. Obviously, dispatch is incredibly important for the operation

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of the radio system and so there's a lot of converging discussions that we're working

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on right now, that we want you guys to be aware of, you know, as we have these discussions

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out in the community more.

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I have one other real quick thing and I don't know if this is a possibility but it never

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hurts to look into things.

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Economic development district monies, well there's a lot of opportunities for grants and funding

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through EDDs, especially for public works kind of inches.

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Since I'm vice chair of the COG EDD, I'll look into that.

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In our next, I'll give a call over to Rachel

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and see what we can track down.

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You never know.

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Some of those federal grants just slip by

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and we've never had the opportunity to look at them before

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and we do have that opportunity now

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being part of Northwest COG.

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So it might be something we can look into.

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Our broadband project and economic development

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is really tied together.

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whether that's really what folks promote broadband being is you can't do business anymore

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without good internet coverage.

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So because that how you connect, we think there's a lot of moving parts but if we can

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tie them all together, I think it could look like a really attractive project, definitely

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a necessary one.

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There are, I'll be in Alaska, there are some communication systems for different villages

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that are funded by the Department of Agriculture through, I can't think, the exact grant program,

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but it'd be worth looking into that.

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It has something to do with rural America, I think, is in the title of it, and maybe we should

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contact Paddy's nodal at the USDA on just inquire about that, it might be a good funding

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source for building a system.

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Well, one thing we will get to try up front will be we have a 800 communication site on

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Ajax in our building that is, whatever, it's not going to be supported anymore and it needs

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to be replaced.

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So the state offers in their program, their GTRS, they want to have all the sites, so they'll take over the maintenance and the replacement costs of that equipment and they'll do that this summer, so you'll see an MOU memorandum of understanding coming to you with the state.

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To turn that equipment over, it was funded from a grant.

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I believe it was through DOLA and it was a public safety grant and so they have a specific

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MOU for that type of equipment turnover.

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So they will replace that equipment since it's not going to be supported anymore and

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we'll have an opportunity to see how that goes this summer and they are putting that equipment

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replacement in their schedule and we'll have the equipment ordered and so that's kind of

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for our first, well, we'll have an opportunity

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for our first taste of their agreements

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and how that'll work.

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So then, if that was successful,

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the, you mentioned earlier that the site up on Lodge,

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that's not in operation at this point,

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but we talked about earlier a year or so back

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to have that available for public safety

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in terms of rescue needs up in that room.

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That would take care of a lot of that area.

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Is that something that the state would look at as well as a public safety?

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If a site has an advantage to the state, they could partner even more with us.

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They might pay for the capital investment of the equipment is how they put it.

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Which is why I think the Chair Mountain, the top of McClure Pass, they don't have any connectivity

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of their, that whole stretch of 133. The advantage of that is it would also serve marble

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and it would cover the whole gunnison wilderness that kind of backs up to our wilderness.

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So search and rescue, mountain rescue are looking at those spots as being a real advantage

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for having to have radio contact. The radios themselves, the units are a little more expensive.

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right now our Sheriff's Office bought dual ban radios, so they have both, which are even

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more expensive, but that way they can talk to both State Patrol, Eagle County, Garfield

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County, and then as well as all the units. When you hit the fire departments, because they

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have so many radios that are out, they have a little more of a difficulty, so how does

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that happen? Do the captains or whoever's in charge of units have a dual ban radio, but

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But they're still on the local band for all their volunteers, maybe the way it works.

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But we thought if we went through at least two budget cycles out as our implementation

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date, that that would help agencies kind of move along and begin to look at their replacements

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and make it affordable.

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Because that's really the part that the each individual jurisdiction pays for all on

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its own.

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I'm just remembering driving the village shuttle bus is so mass village that you could flip

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over the radio and talk directly to the town police on their band with and that was

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used a lot by the you know the drivers that are all around there and they see things out

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on the road and can get the town police out there right away most especially if somebody's

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stock and it's going to be blocking traffic and they get out there and immediately get people on stock and going

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So would this system work anything like that where people would have to switch the dial to it like if they wanted to talk to C dot do they

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Change something on the dial to talk to them or is everybody listening to everybody's chatter all the time

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Well, I'm not sure what they're using that they had

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they were on the system, rap is on the system, they don't know that the snowman

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shovels are. Yeah, they would have access to whoever they would have access to be one

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single radio. That's not sure what snowman has transportation uses at the point.

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Yeah, I don't have no idea what the system is.

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Raffte uses the state 800 system right now up and down the valley and it's interesting because if you

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If you ask Rafter, were they using Pickin County's communication system, they would say no, they used the states, but actually two of the sites are Pickin County, Crown and Ajax, so a lot of their stretches being is using our system.

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It's just how people understand how the system works.

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But look, can we just reach it real quick?

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And how does C-DOT's driving down the road?

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How do they then communicate or do they communicate

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with Picking County Sheriff's?

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If they're on an 800 and Picking County Sheriff's

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or not, they can't communicate?

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Right.

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That's scary.

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And our road bridge cannot communicate

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with C-DOT cloud drivers.

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At least not when they're in their trucks.

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Depending on what can come through dispatch,

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There may be a way to get around real a message, but there's not direct communication.

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Rachel?

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Yeah, you know, this may be a new issue for us right now.

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It's not a new issue across the country.

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You know, it doesn't matter which horrendous disaster you examine, there's always the report

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in the debrief afterwards about different departments not being able to communicate, or to talk well, care whether it's 9-11, or the Boston, you know, marathon bombing.

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You know, you read those as part of the results afterwards.

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And so I think everyone across the country is trying to struggle with getting on the right system, and getting their partners in the right system, and kind of a lot of...

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A lot of cleanup. But what really strikes me in this discussion is that we need to come up with the appropriate governance structure for the telecommunication program. You've described well how it's been somewhat haphazard in the past and the county has tried to do this and other people have tried to work within it. But there wasn't clearly defined roles, responsibilities, financial obligations.

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And, you know, before we embark on this, that's going to have to be in place.

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There's going to have to be new memorandums of understanding, perhaps new signed agreements.

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And everyone, you know, that's going to take almost as much work as this.

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Maybe the groundwork's already been laid.

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But that's what I think is the most important.

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We've seen it happen even to improve governance of our Comm dev office over time,

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and our community development communications.

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and we need to do this with this whole program as well.

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I'd like to build on what Rachel said because I think that needs to happen at multiple levels.

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One in terms of the resources that the county is dedicating to manage the system,

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I think that's where governance starts.

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And one of the recommendations in the study is it would be very helpful to have

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of what's called a mountain top manager that's coordinating all of these different uses

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of these mountain tops.

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And so that would be at a staff level, one piece of the governance, who's keeping

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an eye on the various technologies, the systems, the assurances that what we're doing today

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sets us up for tomorrow.

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that sort of thing, because right now we're maintaining, but we're not building to the new.

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And then Rachel, I think, as you said, similar to what we went through recently with the

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Comm board and Richard's here.

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I'm hoping he'll say something here eventually, but you know, that was really us going back

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through the IGA and figuring out the governance and I really think 9-1-1 has

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benefited from that and the partnership has benefited from you know that clean

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up of that process and I'd see radio being a similar kind of thing let's make

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sure we have the right technical support that's you know coming from you know in

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this case the county and that we have the right governance model so that it's

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fair and sustainable and everyone's business needs are being communicated and met within the system.

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And so, part of why you're going to see, you know, if we were to step this, I think, would be

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obviously the MOUs with the state on a few of these sites would be the first

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kind of thing that I think you would see in an upcoming probably pretty soon.

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regular meeting. Then you will likely see a request and what we're looking at is how

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can we be FTE and budget neutral, but maybe realign some of our resources so that we can

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create a better staff governance over these mountain top sites for the different priorities

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that we've set, whether it be radio, broadband, all of that, and Phyllis has been working very hard with that John Lloyd to come up with that neutral model to bring back to you, but I would anticipate that's going to be kind of the next phase which should set the basis for that governance, and then setting the stage for this bigger project that we know is out there that we've got to move towards.

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So I agree with you, and I think what you're going to see is that governance is going to be built and

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Steps starting with MOUs with the state looking at us realigning resources

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within the county so that we're managing and overseeing it and then

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Going back to the the comm board and all the entities to have those

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Remedies. I can see doing that as long as we're not making commitments of

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time and

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money to the state in our first MOU with the state and then we get to the end of the line and we find

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communities don't want to share equally in the costs. So that would be my only concern.

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And perhaps it's worked out fine as long as we're bringing them along the whole way and they

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understand that if we're signing this agreement with the state and we take on certain responsibilities

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and liabilities and obligations that we're not going to be the only ones holding those later.

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We're doing on behalf of all these other agencies as well and everyone is

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approached these discussions with partnership in mind and remember we already

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own these mountain top sites and need to manage them now and so how can we do a

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better job going forward than we've done in the past I think that's part of what

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we're looking at too. Thank you. I was thinking feels of a way that something

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getting similar to the Hassan sales tax to fund EOTC as funding mechanism and if we

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compare this to EOTC where it's a multi-community partnership and providing this resource to the

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community and everybody has a seat at the table and it's not going to be elected officials

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but it would be more the chief police and sheriff and the fire chief and different people

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like that would be involved in it probably but if we could have something like a dedicated

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funding source that could go towards this system towards funding broadband towards the TV

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in the FM, all in one big package, and perhaps it would just be an expansion of the translator

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system funding that we have now, might be where we could start and possibly expand that.

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So just an idea that might lead somewhere.

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The interesting piece, the communication board is made up of the fire chiefs, the Aspen Amulance

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director and the police chiefs from the four jurors' dictions and we cover so

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carbonyl fires there. We dispatch for marble. We dispatch for basalt PD. So we

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dispatch in Eagle County, but Eagle County deputies are dispatched from Vale. So

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that's a little interesting part. So it really does carry cover a large area and

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And one of the wrestling points we have on TV and FM when we talk free TV, we have a

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site on sunlight.

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So an awful lot of carbon Dale gets coverage, but they don't support the program and

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the infrastructure.

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So we don't provide them assistance on their antennas and what to do in carbon Dale unless

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your carbon Dale address is in Picking County.

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So it's really an interesting project to work on.

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I didn't know much of this when I started and Karen and I have been diligently studying

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up and speaking with an awful lot of folks.

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Because still when you say we're going to go to the 800 system, you have, oh well you need

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to go talk to this county because they did this instead and they're doing something else

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and there's no money for the program and you start researching and it doesn't seem

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like everyone has one answer and I think that's the story you have across the

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state. I do think the states in a different position because of the funding

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dedicated funding they got last year. I know that Adams and Weld left because they

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had concerns about who's going to, the state didn't have enough money to fund the

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infrastructure and they were going to get stuck with it so that goes to what's

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happening in the future. But I think it looks good now. I think they're really

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coming to us with some support that I don't think we saw in the past except

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maybe seven to ten years ago when there was a lot of grant funding that we did

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00:38:54,830 --> 00:39:00,710
not take advantage of to put this system in and we decided to stay with our

426
00:39:00,710 --> 00:39:01,270
on system.

427
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:09,310
I don't know, I don't think there's a black and white answer but we're just searching

428
00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:12,950
for the best answer for our community and hopefully the state's going to be able to

429
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:18,130
answer the questions on the mountains because Eagle County uses it and they have quite a

430
00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:24,570
bit of terrain that we have, particularly in backcountry areas. So how are they solving

431
00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:28,770
that? So we have more, every time you talk to someone you have three more names of people

432
00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:34,010
to talk to, and that's kind of the due diligence that I think we're feeling right now, is

433
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:36,630
how do we really make sure this is the right answer for everyone?

434
00:39:36,850 --> 00:39:44,150
But the more people I talk to, the more I say, if there's a bad situation that occurs,

435
00:39:44,330 --> 00:39:46,110
you really want to be able to talk to each other.

436
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:51,050
But I know the Black Forest Fire, you're exactly right, Rachel, communication, and people

437
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:52,970
not being able to talk to each other is an issue.

438
00:39:53,950 --> 00:39:59,210
The federal wildfire people do not use 800, they use the VHF system that we're on now.

439
00:39:59,490 --> 00:40:01,430
So there's a piece of that that we'd like to keep.

440
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:10,450
So yeah, so we're trying to figure out how do we make sure everybody can talk to everybody

441
00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:17,370
at least somehow, which is why the consoles and dispatcher, really that's the center point.

442
00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:22,810
everything, if it can come into their both ways, and I think we'll set up a system

443
00:40:22,810 --> 00:40:23,390
that will work.

444
00:40:24,310 --> 00:40:29,810
But it's been interesting to research all the different views and opinions that everyone

445
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:30,570
has on this.

446
00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:36,330
What's the joke about the bridge in Washington, DC when there was an incident on the bridge

447
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:41,130
and either side of the bridge couldn't talk to each other, they just had yell because their

448
00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:44,330
radio systems were totally different, and they were at this far part.

449
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:47,250
Yeah, it's a feeling all over the country.

450
00:40:48,850 --> 00:40:50,210
Yeah, we are not alone.

451
00:40:50,330 --> 00:40:51,690
We are definitely not alone in this one.

452
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:56,370
But nobody seems to be able to say, this is the right answer.

453
00:40:56,570 --> 00:40:57,190
Here you go.

454
00:41:00,230 --> 00:41:06,510
So we're doing the best we can and then communicating with all the agencies that use the system.

455
00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:09,570
Because right now they have issues with the system and it doesn't work well.

456
00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:17,330
I know Aspen Fire, for whatever reason, their volunteers that live in Aspen Village can't get reception.

457
00:41:18,250 --> 00:41:22,590
And it seems like they're sitting on a little hill, they should be able to get it, what's wrong.

458
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:29,790
And it's hard to figure out their airwaves. Something's going on out there.

459
00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:40,490
Steve, I just wonder, Richard made the effort to be over here just in my picture to say anything that...

460
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:46,570
You might want to say or not if uh, yeah I'll just say that a couple of brief things and

461
00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:52,690
I think firstly is from the perspective of being the chair of the Commonwealth how much

462
00:41:52,690 --> 00:42:01,690
I slash we have appreciated the leadership that John um has supported in terms of Phyllis and

463
00:42:01,690 --> 00:42:08,090
Cara probably provided some information and in fact so we can try and make some decisions you know

464
00:42:08,090 --> 00:42:11,850
And while we might be police chiefs and fire chiefs, we're not necessarily radio experts

465
00:42:11,850 --> 00:42:19,130
with trying to provide public safety services, so that has been phenomenal and we really

466
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:24,850
appreciate that and therefore you're supportive of them in doing this as well as with an

467
00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:26,970
answer in the LGA last year as well.

468
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:32,950
So I think you can see real improvement in terms of the way that our relationships are working

469
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:38,090
among the communities, the city of Aspen, the snow-weiss, picking county and the context

470
00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:42,850
of these agreements, and they're just getting better all of that's my impression moving forward.

471
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:49,830
Particularly in the light of these discussions with the 800 system, we had four city managers

472
00:42:49,830 --> 00:42:54,190
around the table last week or two weeks ago talking about this trying to get it off the ground

473
00:42:54,190 --> 00:43:01,110
and that's a significant commitment to the community and I think we really appreciate that

474
00:43:01,110 --> 00:43:07,590
investment so however we can move this process along we as public safety providers really

475
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:16,090
encourage you to do so because something does need to change and fairly quickly so thank

476
00:43:16,090 --> 00:43:21,170
you for your support and having these discussions and we have to keep bringing you more information

477
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:21,890
questions.

478
00:43:24,610 --> 00:43:26,530
Thanks for being here.

479
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:29,170
Okay.

480
00:43:29,890 --> 00:43:31,670
So for today, I guess on this point,

481
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:37,050
the next thing you'll see is the MOU with the state for our

482
00:43:37,050 --> 00:43:40,390
AJAX site because that system will be unsupported.

483
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:44,650
And it's being reviewed by Johnny Ely and already made it

484
00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:45,210
through the state.

485
00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:48,890
So we'll have that in the next sometime in July.

486
00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:50,730
That'll be the first step.

487
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:53,330
And then we'll keep going on trying to figure out what our

488
00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:58,990
our solutions are and I do have to say the state is really responsive. I've had an awful

489
00:43:58,990 --> 00:44:03,770
lot of communications with them and Holy Cross. We'll go look at Gunnison County for

490
00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:09,290
the new site and it's pretty exciting to be able to have a real regional approach to

491
00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:15,810
this issue because it's not just picking county. Nobody likes that straight line across

492
00:44:15,810 --> 00:44:20,450
where Garfield and Eagle County it just doesn't work when you're driving the road or have

493
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:21,010
have an emergency.

494
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:21,450
Right.

495
00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:23,310
Everyone's got to be able to talk to each other.

496
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:24,710
So that's what we're after.

497
00:44:26,110 --> 00:44:26,710
Thanks.

498
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:27,470
Thanks.

499
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:28,750
Great.

500
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:35,050
Okay.

501
00:44:35,310 --> 00:44:37,670
Next we have our future agenda calendar.

502
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:42,710
Just a couple of things for the board.

503
00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:52,450
Next week on your future agenda is right now showing a citizen board interview with Matthew

504
00:44:52,450 --> 00:44:57,290
Smith is indicated that he's not going to be able to serve in that role so we'll be

505
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:58,210
I can't explain that.

506
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:59,950
Uh, hell of...

507
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
We will be filling that spot with representatives from Holy Cross and Excel energy to come in and talk more about the project clear the right way on their power line. So we have been having discussions with them this week on the project and the easements and such. And so we're working forward on that. We'll be having representatives, hopefully from Holy Cross.

508
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:32,560
across an Excel coming in at that time.

509
00:45:33,060 --> 00:45:35,840
So we can take him off our May 26th work session, too.

510
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,040
These are both Matthew.

511
00:45:40,350 --> 00:45:40,770
Yeah.

512
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:41,590
Yeah.

513
00:45:41,950 --> 00:45:44,530
I'm not on that discussion before we start the Excel.

514
00:45:44,650 --> 00:45:47,150
But I'm going to try to get the sub, the contract

515
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:47,910
driven as well.

516
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:51,970
Yeah, I believe I didn't see that in the email

517
00:45:51,970 --> 00:45:54,790
George Beck and double check that I would imagine

518
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:55,570
that they would deal.

519
00:46:00,860 --> 00:46:10,500
And then other item that's not necessarily a future agenda item for the board per se but Rachel

520
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:14,580
brought to our attention that there's been several discussions around housing that started

521
00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:21,840
up with Apsha and the city and Aspen young professionals and so we next jam next jam, I'm sorry,

522
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:25,900
next jam, they're all young people, I know that.

523
00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:35,580
At any rate, as I was digging in on that, you know, found that there are processes starting

524
00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:41,020
up with the, with Apsha and the city really going into this summer.

525
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:50,480
Apsha is going to be kicking off a substantial review of their guidelines that's going to start

526
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:56,500
in May really go through this summer when they bring recommendations back to

527
00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:03,640
both Fords. What they are looking for in the initial project when they're you

528
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,300
know just starting to look at their guidelines is some representatives from

529
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:12,180
various stakeholders obviously including the city and county and so they

530
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:20,400
reached out for staff either myself or someone at my level participate and maybe

531
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,580
one or two members of the elected board just in initial discussions to represent the county's

532
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:33,660
discussions about affordable housing and interest going forward. This is going to happen

533
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:40,080
pretty quickly. Their first meeting is going to be happening may either 7th or 8th. They're

534
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,280
going to be scheduling an initial meeting and then some follow-ups there. And so I wanted

535
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,680
I wanted to see if there's one or two board members that might be interested in participating

536
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,800
in a panel discussion with me on that app sheet guidelines study.

537
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:05,280
I can make the meeting of the seventh, I don't think I can make, I'm pretty well taken

538
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,320
the rest of May for any follow-up meetings.

539
00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:09,420
I could participate on the seventh.

540
00:48:10,180 --> 00:48:10,860
It's a good Saturday.

541
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:22,900
I think I'm only available on the 8th, but we don't have to all meet together.

542
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:24,580
I would be available on the 8th as well.

543
00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:29,740
Just as a sidebar in that, John, we need an update.

544
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:36,720
It seems to be a little controversial, controversial around, option in terms of the governance of

545
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:36,900
that.

546
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:42,220
It was a good article in today's paper, and one size says this, you have a size says that.

547
00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:49,020
That's nice for us to sort of get an update in terms of what the issue is and exactly

548
00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:51,800
what are the ramifications.

549
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,300
So I can give you because I have looked into that since it's become a public issue.

550
00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:05,080
I could either do that today or we could schedule something once I can give you my take on it

551
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:13,480
today and then if you'd like further follow up back in 2012 and this was right around

552
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,260
the time that we're doing the housing summit with the city of Aspen.

553
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:30,480
The absent board had hired a independent attorney to take a look at governance of absent.

554
00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:37,960
I think at that time it was really looking at the IGAs, the succession of intergovernmental

555
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:45,000
agreements that the city and county have entered into over the years. Most recently, I believe

556
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:51,880
it's 2006. I didn't bring my notes down with me around governance of the housing authority

557
00:49:51,880 --> 00:50:00,900
and whether it matches up with state statute. In short, the Housing Authority Board did get a

558
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:04,440
memo from that attorney with an opinion.

559
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,400
It's a memo that they did make public, I believe,

560
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,400
two weeks ago.

561
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,980
It's my understanding when these stories started breaking.

562
00:50:14,980 --> 00:50:17,380
I believe starting with Aspen Public Radio.

563
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:23,500
The conclusion, I guess the nutshell conclusion

564
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:28,360
of that memo was that there's nothing

565
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:38,820
a legal or improper about our IGA, the 2006 IGA. I think some of the criticisms of

566
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:46,500
the IGA, which are really more of a policy matter, were whether making really absent function

567
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:54,640
as almost a city department with the city being the fiscal agent or absent. One that that

568
00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:04,600
may create confusion about the role of Apsha employees and governance of Apsha employees.

569
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:12,640
But as a practical matter right now, as a separate political subdivision, Apsha doesn't

570
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,960
have any revenues of their own or any bonds that they're on.

571
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:23,340
They're really relying on revenues from the city and the county, which are appropriated

572
00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:30,420
under, you know, the appropriation authority of the Board of County Commissioners and the City Council.

573
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:41,300
And so there's really no real governance issue per se, and with the way we're structured with the City

574
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:51,480
being a fiscal agent for AFSA, until such time as there is a tax or bonding authority that AFSA

575
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:58,540
would exercise on its own. And then in that case, the abshabord would have policy authority,

576
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:04,640
appropriation authority over those funds if that taxes passed as part of that political

577
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:12,760
subdivision. But as a practical matter, there is no tax or bonding authority right now.

578
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:22,380
and the Absurd Board is kind of governing pursuant to city and county appropriations.

579
00:52:23,580 --> 00:52:24,480
I don't know if that makes sense.

580
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:27,080
Well, how does that piece of property they own plan to that?

581
00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:32,680
Doesn't Absurd actually own some assets, but they don't have a tax revenue source and they don't have on them.

582
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:36,580
So those assets are thought of differently under the governance kind of.

583
00:52:36,660 --> 00:52:41,580
Okay, I just want to make sure that we were not going to cloud the waters with the fact that they do have those assets.

584
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:47,260
Yeah, and I'd be happy to share a copy of that memo with the board so you can see it.

585
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:52,740
It's really important to pay attention to the conclusion, it provides very nice history,

586
00:52:53,500 --> 00:53:00,240
important to pay attention to the conclusion side I think, so I'd be happy to distribute that

587
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,500
to the board and we can have a further discussion. Rachel. Yeah, thank you.

588
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:15,280
So I was around during those time periods, and I think that the city was careful and

589
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,180
the county, at that matter, to make sure that the changes in the MOU were legal.

590
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,880
But if I remember correctly, I was on the city side of things at that point in time.

591
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:28,560
It was not my preferred direction.

592
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:34,900
And there was raised by the city was, well, we're contributing all the revenues.

593
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:40,480
We have the half-cent sales tax, we have the real estate transfer tax, the vast majority

594
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,060
of the revenues to create new housing projects come from the city, we'd like more control

595
00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:45,560
over that.

596
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,620
And that's kind of what happened.

597
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:54,340
And so the housing board was stripped at that time, I mean, this housing board had housing

598
00:53:54,340 --> 00:54:00,480
office, I had geared up for the development site planning and design work and things

599
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,420
like that that was necessary for some of the parcels that had been land bank, things

600
00:54:04,420 --> 00:54:11,480
like Berlin game and decided that, you know, they didn't want to carry that much staff,

601
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:18,060
they'd rather have it in house at the capital asset management division of the city and

602
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:24,040
the housing board then really I believe appropriately became concerned that they weren't

603
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:50,960
dealing with the exciting elements of, you know, how to design a project and who was going to live there and what the categories were going to be and things like this and it was just kind of more they became the enforcement entities that had to decide the really tough cases of, you know, should the worst parent of a 17 year old be able to buy a two bedroom unit when and the wife have a two bedroom unit and the kid was occupancy just in part year and both.

604
00:54:50,960 --> 00:55:19,260
and what's the right thing to do or who kits can be assets on a divorce and all sorts of tough issues but not the perhaps more exciting issues of digging in and saying let's design this to be a co-housing project or let's design this and to really sort of low income people, they were kind of stripped of that role and I think it's always created some tension about where do they really fit in and is the city council listening to them at all.

605
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:21,640
So, I think that's been a big part of the tension.

606
00:55:25,070 --> 00:55:28,830
And I think you'll see that in the memo too, but that's the rub.

607
00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:37,150
I mean, it certainly has set us back, too, because we have not had an app show we can turn to that has a planner.

608
00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:40,750
You know, that has inhibited our abilities.

609
00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:46,630
We talk about it repeatedly that we do not have staff for that and are not going to staff up for that.

610
00:55:46,630 --> 00:56:02,870
So, when we try to look to a project, it's always, well, who could be the partner who can manage it, design it for us, and maybe we can supply some cash, but it really I believe inhibited a lot of what the creativity and potential fruitfulness of housing office could have had.

611
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:09,430
And those are the policy when I was referring to, you know, the issues are really more probably

612
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:15,570
policy issues about how, you know, should it be run or what should the governance model

613
00:56:15,570 --> 00:56:16,950
be for the partners.

614
00:56:17,850 --> 00:56:20,890
It's more of a policy discussion, I think, than a legal issue.

615
00:56:20,970 --> 00:56:25,550
Yeah, because the city's two taxes said the city of Aspen will create housing.

616
00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:29,190
It didn't say should this revenue stream be dedicated to action?

617
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:36,110
And so they were never there with revenue streams and the same with ours and they don't set the mitigation fees

618
00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:39,590
There's some disconnects

619
00:56:39,590 --> 00:56:44,390
Can we get back to the meeting dates on the 7th we do have an emergency

620
00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:48,450
Drill I'm gonna do in a practice. What are we calling it?

621
00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:55,170
Exercise, and I think we should I'm planning on going I'm planning on going so we should maybe notice that one

622
00:56:55,170 --> 00:56:55,290
I don't know.

623
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:56,890
What is, I don't know.

624
00:56:56,890 --> 00:57:00,570
So, uh, mountain rest, do you want to merge and see preparedness exercise?

625
00:57:00,790 --> 00:57:02,590
And it's with picking kind of emergency management.

626
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:06,030
Yeah, it, Valerie was in talking about it last time.

627
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:11,430
Let me see if I can pull up the, because you said the 7th of, it's the 7th, it's the 7th

628
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:16,530
of May from like it's sometime in the afternoon, the time in place, I think we meet at mountain

629
00:57:16,530 --> 00:57:16,830
rest.

630
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:17,870
1 to 2 30.

631
00:57:18,110 --> 00:57:24,650
Yeah, well, what it is is we're doing a joint exercise with the, um,

632
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:33,870
It's the state's, or it's a FES, actually, type 3 team, and we're bringing in all of

633
00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:39,450
our emergency support function leads, and those are the leads that have been identified

634
00:57:39,970 --> 00:57:47,310
out in the community for various areas for emergency response, maybe housing and evacuation

635
00:57:47,310 --> 00:57:59,190
or logistics, or administration, what have you, and there's going to be the, it's really two parts,

636
00:57:59,550 --> 00:58:04,630
you know, the first part, the morning they're going to be doing an exercise where they go through a drill.

637
00:58:06,070 --> 00:58:13,710
And, you know, basically do lessons learned, and then there's going to be, I believe, the one o'clock session is what you're talking about,

638
00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:19,790
had he where there's more of a debrief and opportunity to talk about the exercise and

639
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:24,750
they wanted to make sure elected officials were invited so you could see a little bit

640
00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:30,690
of that debrief what had happened and how we did. Incidentally, we just did one yesterday

641
00:58:30,690 --> 00:58:40,290
with Aspen Fire Protection District 2 where we drilled a wildfire on Watson Debide, actually

642
00:58:40,290 --> 00:58:45,050
and some of the same members will be at this ESF.

643
00:58:45,250 --> 00:58:51,290
So we can certainly post that, and so that should be

644
00:58:51,290 --> 00:58:54,850
your email Rachel from Valerie if what's in the background.

645
00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:58,090
We have missed that, but I definitely plan to be there.

646
00:58:58,350 --> 00:59:01,430
And I've also talked to John about some time

647
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:04,130
in this next year after the City Council elections,

648
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:06,430
maybe doing another elected officials,

649
00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:09,270
emergency management update class with some sort.

650
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:15,650
I think we have enough new members between assaults, no masks, and city vassals that they might want to do that

651
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:22,670
But I'll be at that. So and then the following day I'm heading to Denver my brother-in-law Willard Clapper is being honored by the

652
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:27,630
Colorado followed firefighters memorial. So we're going down for Saturday with the parade

653
00:59:28,090 --> 00:59:33,690
I know it's very touching with the Aspen honor guard will be the Aspen fire district and honor guard district will be there

654
00:59:33,690 --> 00:59:38,390
So it's gonna be gonna be kind of a need of event for the family. So yeah

655
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:47,080
Yeah, well I will not be attending the seventh meeting, but that was the day that may be

656
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,400
this abstract guideline discussion.

657
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:49,560
Yeah, I think that would be a good one for you.

658
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:50,980
You've got the history from both sides.

659
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:58,880
John, I notice on next Tuesday, we have org reports listed and we have org reports.

660
00:59:59,360 --> 00:59:59,920
Yeah, well again.

661
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:19,880
We'll see how we do today. If we don't finish it all the day, then we may want to use part of that time to finish that next week. So, I'm guessing we'll get to all of them today, but we'll take them off if not. Okay.

662
01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:30,680
That's all I have. I think last week, we need to schedule a little prep time for our joint meeting.

663
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:38,000
on May 26th and I think that on right now we'll double check. I know it's not on the

664
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:43,140
we had a number of updates that went on our future agendas right before these

665
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:47,380
were published or for this week. So we'll double check next week.

666
01:00:47,620 --> 01:00:54,680
The other question I have is right now we have on May 27th in the Nakawaka review and we were just down

667
01:00:54,680 --> 01:01:02,500
there on a site visit last week on a different application. But looking at the future agenda,

668
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:07,860
as we have a lot of spaces open, I just wonder whether it would be appropriate to move that

669
01:01:07,860 --> 01:01:16,640
review up and then we can address that issue and then be able to then perhaps speed up the next

670
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,120
issue which is their current application.

671
01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:23,990
Rather than, I thought we were going to

672
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:26,090
both at the same time we're not doing that now.

673
01:01:26,970 --> 01:01:29,290
Well, they're really two separate issues.

674
01:01:29,970 --> 01:01:31,150
So we're going to do the site review.

675
01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:32,450
You're saying do the site review?

676
01:01:33,010 --> 01:01:36,330
Well, the site review is already scheduled for May 27th.

677
01:01:36,330 --> 01:01:38,750
I'm just curious whether the worst box

678
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:39,950
is trying to move that up.

679
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:44,110
And then it would be a little sooner

680
01:01:44,110 --> 01:01:47,750
to then look at the following application

681
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:51,470
which is separate, but the moving of summer season.

682
01:01:51,470 --> 01:01:54,570
Yeah, and I don't know if that was done

683
01:01:55,730 --> 01:01:58,010
Scheduling around the applicant. Yeah

684
01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:05,990
Okay, the other rooms

685
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:16,620
Okay, we have facilities

686
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:19,160
I'm gonna do that today

687
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,220
So we can move right into that. We can move right into that. Okay, we're not waiting for Joe to come in

688
01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:27,560
Jody had other meetings today

689
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:29,240
She had already

690
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:35,900
put that one on me. So I'm just going to talk briefly. The library project

691
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:41,840
continues to move forward. They're playing some more supports and forms right

692
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,620
now in the parking garage and preparation for doing the removal of those

693
01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:53,900
beams. That is going well at this point because they're putting in just some

694
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:58,520
additional supports and such. It probably will not happen this Wednesday as we

695
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:05,660
originally planned, it might be pushed back a day or two as they do the prep work. Otherwise,

696
01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:12,580
there has not been a lot new to report on the library project. It's moving forward well.

697
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:21,140
And Jody will be in next week to give us hopefully an update on what's happening with the beams.

698
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,920
Did they find that contractor to do the moving, you know?

699
01:03:26,420 --> 01:03:29,240
They do have a contractor to do the moving.

700
01:03:29,420 --> 01:03:31,420
I do not remember who that is.

701
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:32,140
That's moving forward.

702
01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:37,120
And so they're moving forward with that.

703
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,500
The lease with the city got delayed by a week,

704
01:03:42,820 --> 01:03:46,080
so they still have to finalize the lease with the city.

705
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,160
Over at that far away?

706
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:47,640
Yeah.

707
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:52,500
Other facility issue, just a quick update

708
01:03:52,500 --> 01:04:22,320
on the public safety admin and remodel of this building, I think as I told you last week our architects are on board this week they're going to be working with departments just to confirm the programming that was done so the, you know, how many positions kind of space needs now, future growth projections are just doing a confirmation of that work that was done.

709
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:29,120
as well as with the courts and the judicial district and

710
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:35,260
sheriff's department. So that work is kicking off. We have an

711
01:04:35,260 --> 01:04:40,500
employee team that's looking at some design guidelines that

712
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:46,520
will be brought back to you as a board, as a recommendation to

713
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:52,500
include, you know, things like, you know, our guidelines on sustainability or

714
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:57,580
guidelines on customer service or guidelines try we want to design for employees

715
01:04:57,580 --> 01:05:01,500
that will be a recommendation that comes back to this body and you have an

716
01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:05,520
opportunity to weigh in on how it will probably be towards the end of May beginning

717
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,220
of June and will also be starting some of our public outreach at that point.

718
01:05:09,220 --> 01:05:16,620
So that's we're really at the front end of the design work beginning and so the

719
01:05:16,620 --> 01:05:20,660
organizational discussions are really going to start this week. Obviously you'll

720
01:05:20,660 --> 01:05:24,720
be involved in a lot of those as we move forward towards schematic designs.

721
01:05:26,020 --> 01:05:31,000
I know that when we've discussed these needs before we've talked about

722
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:36,160
certificates of participation probably being our financing mechanism. Are we

723
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:42,160
Any setting a target of this November to ask the public about that or next November?

724
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:48,060
So certificates of participation don't require public vote unless you want to go for public

725
01:05:48,060 --> 01:05:48,400
vote.

726
01:05:48,580 --> 01:05:52,620
They're actually an annual commitment going forward.

727
01:05:53,460 --> 01:05:54,620
Now that's okay.

728
01:05:54,820 --> 01:06:00,480
It's very complicated and one of the things that we had talked about during budget is the trade

729
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:07,520
off between, because it's an annual appropriation, you pay a little bit more on the interest

730
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:12,780
side on certificates of participation than you do on a dedicated revenue bond.

731
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,700
The spread right now seems to be more than covered by the fact that you typically have to

732
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:23,680
delay a project by six months to a year and right now we're experiencing nine to ten percent

733
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:24,280
inflation.

734
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:35,420
And so that's why we're looking at certificates of participation as, probably, physically the best move and we'll evaluate that here.

735
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:41,020
So then it doesn't have quite the same timeline, but at some point it'd be nice to have a sense of the timeline.

736
01:06:41,860 --> 01:06:42,040
Okay.

737
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,120
Okay, John,

738
01:06:47,530 --> 01:06:51,490
I want to thought I would mention to the board this report that I came across

739
01:06:51,490 --> 01:07:01,090
the deep retrofit report that was, I found in some on an RMI email, and this article

740
01:07:01,090 --> 01:07:15,190
is how to calculate and present deep retrofit value, and deep retrofit is basically what we

741
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:22,470
Before I send a copy moana and John both to look at it, they talk about it as if it's

742
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:29,470
a commercial building, but then a lot of the things, if we think of this not as a commercial

743
01:07:29,470 --> 01:07:34,970
building but a public building with employees and the public being the customers coming in,

744
01:07:35,790 --> 01:07:39,550
and so a lot of you just change the words on a lot of this reported.

745
01:07:39,550 --> 01:07:48,190
that it really talks to having employees being more satisfied and more productive, having

746
01:07:48,190 --> 01:07:52,630
the public who comes in get better service out of the deal.

747
01:07:53,490 --> 01:07:58,290
I know they talk about being able to increase the rent value of your space and things like

748
01:07:58,290 --> 01:08:05,350
that, which doesn't apply to us, but it was an interesting article and the other board would

749
01:08:05,350 --> 01:08:10,250
to be arrested, I could go out of the electronically, I could forward it to you.

750
01:08:12,670 --> 01:08:18,510
I just think of the copy to John, and then I'm going to see I can talk about it.

751
01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:26,050
That was pretty interesting thing, and I knew John was already tuned into the concept

752
01:08:26,050 --> 01:08:26,970
of that already.

753
01:08:27,610 --> 01:08:33,450
Yeah, that's why we're working towards, and that's part of what our employee team is kind

754
01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:40,150
working to consider right now too. So that's all right now. We have on the facilities updates.

755
01:08:40,330 --> 01:08:45,230
The Rachel will come back and we are planning on doing a briefing with the board anyway to

756
01:08:45,230 --> 01:08:51,030
talk about kind of how we see contracting moving forward and timelines and those sorts of things.

757
01:08:51,410 --> 01:08:51,990
Thank you. Yeah.

758
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:59,270
Can I just add to that? The other problem I see, I don't think there's really

759
01:08:59,270 --> 01:09:05,210
anything we can do about it is it would have been nice if we had the opportunity to look at our plans

760
01:09:05,210 --> 01:09:11,130
for this especially the public safety facility with the city if they were to be moving forward

761
01:09:11,130 --> 01:09:16,070
next door but I don't I think that's a lot further out than our plans at this time.

762
01:09:16,430 --> 01:09:22,330
Well I think we still have that opportunity and that's actually we're we're gonna keep our design

763
01:09:22,330 --> 01:09:29,250
teams working together you're right patty I think our project because we've got a defined building

764
01:09:29,250 --> 01:09:36,090
envelope that at this point is probably a little bit farther ahead, but it does not mean

765
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:42,490
that there can't be consideration of some common elements while we design. For example,

766
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:50,390
there may be benefit to having a common wall and connecting the parking underground and

767
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:58,210
those sorts of things. In this case, because we're ahead, we would bring our design to schematic

768
01:09:58,210 --> 01:10:00,850
and not have any changes from there.

769
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:03,590
And then if we wanted to have those common elements,

770
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,790
the city would be able to design their project

771
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:08,270
to take advantage of those.

772
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:11,630
So just because we're ahead doesn't preclude us

773
01:10:11,630 --> 01:10:14,910
having some partnership opportunities.

774
01:10:15,230 --> 01:10:18,810
If those make sense from a financial perspective

775
01:10:18,810 --> 01:10:21,910
and timing perspective, the position

776
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:24,790
that we don't want to be in, it take you really

777
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:26,770
because of that construction inflation

778
01:10:26,770 --> 01:10:32,930
I just mentioned is holding our project for a year to get coordinated because that could add

779
01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:36,290
1.5 to $2 million to the total cost.

780
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:40,810
I'm just saying it's a key step door open, which it looks like we're going to do because of the public safety

781
01:10:40,810 --> 01:10:46,350
commonalities they have now, especially it's even more appropriate for hopefully I think in the future design.

782
01:10:46,990 --> 01:10:48,910
But we do need to move forward in a bit.

783
01:10:49,870 --> 01:10:52,710
You know, the architects are smart and we need to use it to our advantage.

784
01:10:52,710 --> 01:10:58,950
So, we're trying to have as many of those discussions about how do we allow for common

785
01:10:58,950 --> 01:11:01,890
elements in the design movement for it if possible.

786
01:11:02,690 --> 01:11:06,410
And we're connectivity at the least, yeah, and our staffs are staying close on that.

787
01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:09,170
Interoperability in the room.

788
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:09,450
Where?

789
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:14,130
Anything else on facilities?

790
01:11:16,460 --> 01:11:19,760
So, the next one is a brief update.

791
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:27,220
We've been having some discussions internally at the staff level, and I did everyone get one of these so I can

792
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,280
end them around.

793
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:37,220
But you're going to be hearing some different language from staff around teams and such,

794
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:42,880
and so I thought it would be important for you guys to know what we've been talking about.

795
01:11:42,880 --> 01:12:02,640
And, you know, just a step back a little bit, if you, you know, can think to the county board chart, you know, you have the citizens on top and then the board of commissioners and other elected officials and boards, and then you have John Ealy and myself and departments.

796
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:07,980
And it's set up very much in silos by function, right?

797
01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:11,280
You have airport, you have human services,

798
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,400
you have the Sheriff's Department,

799
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,100
Clerk and Recorder, what have you.

800
01:12:16,940 --> 01:12:19,460
And the advantage of a structure like that,

801
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,140
that's how most government entities are structured,

802
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,720
is it makes for very clear lines of accountability,

803
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,640
you know, who's responsible for what,

804
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:35,440
and an organization that has a lot of very different lines of business.

805
01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:41,660
The challenge, and that's a good thing, accountability is a good thing, and having that efficiency

806
01:12:41,660 --> 01:12:42,560
is a good thing.

807
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:49,540
The challenge is that your organization can tend to get siloed, and maybe you're not taking

808
01:12:49,540 --> 01:12:55,540
advantage horizontally about meeting community needs that may cross those silos.

809
01:12:55,540 --> 01:13:02,160
So, for example, when it comes to domestic violence, both law enforcement, the Sheriff's

810
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:07,180
Department, and our human services department are deeply involved in those issues, and there's

811
01:13:07,180 --> 01:13:09,960
a lot of cause for them to be working together.

812
01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:16,120
And so, when you have this kind of structure, like we've had for a very long time, what you

813
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:20,420
do is you create teams to kind of go across horizontally.

814
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:25,640
And for quite a while now, the counties had kind of two major teams, right?

815
01:13:25,780 --> 01:13:31,300
You've had what we call the section leader team, you know, managers team.

816
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,180
Then you have ad hoc teams that we create, budget review team is a good example of that.

817
01:13:38,260 --> 01:13:41,860
And maybe the compensation team, what have you?

818
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:48,020
What we found was we're struggling with kind of roles and responsibilities

819
01:13:48,020 --> 01:13:54,680
between, you know, what are the section leaders doing and talking about what are the managers doing it,

820
01:13:54,700 --> 01:14:02,040
what are they being tasked with. And so as we talk to staff about this, we proposed, and that's really,

821
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:09,240
kind of internally, I guess, I should take the proposed off this, adopted a different team structure.

822
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:17,760
And really what it is is it's really thinking about the types of issues we're dealing with from

823
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,660
strategic, which is really a planning function, right?

824
01:14:20,860 --> 01:14:23,100
Kind of looking ahead, how do you plan?

825
01:14:23,380 --> 01:14:27,320
How do you anticipate the tactical, which is, let's get

826
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:27,860
something done.

827
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:29,420
Let's do it.

828
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:33,700
And we didn't really differentiate between those roles

829
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:34,980
with our teams before.

830
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,920
And so we decided to create a team structure that's

831
01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:41,880
differentiated more along those lines.

832
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:47,280
So we've got, instead of a leadership team going forward,

833
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:59,280
We're going to have a strategy team, which is made up of the section leaders, really, and elected officials, but this group is really going to be tasked with...

834
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:12,640
I'm talking about what are the big rocks for the organization. You remember that kind of exercise we did with the budget, spending more time really focusing on looking forward and the should.

835
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:29,980
What we found is when you're really good at strategy, you're not always as good at implementation when you're focused that way. And so instead of having a manager's team that exists on an ongoing basis, we're creating shorter

836
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:35,000
term teams that are going to be chartered similar to what you guys have seen with the

837
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,260
strategic initiatives, charters, a little simpler for these teams probably.

838
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:45,840
But we have two kinds of teams, one is a study team that's created to make a recommendation.

839
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:54,060
Maybe it's a recommendation back to you, a recommendation back to the strategy team on what

840
01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:57,160
we should be doing or how we should be approaching an issue.

841
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:03,060
the other moving towards action is what we call an outcome team where we've

842
01:16:03,060 --> 01:16:07,640
actually charted at the definite beginning and end but we've actually delegated

843
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:13,980
authority to them to do something to just do it it's not studying it's not

844
01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:19,100
making a recommendation it's actually doing something I'll give you examples of

845
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:23,600
these and then admin team these are really kind of the equivalent of staff meetings

846
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,640
This is where you're doing your update in your horizontal communications.

847
01:16:29,460 --> 01:16:37,140
One of the things we heard from managers and from the leadership team is we're really good at generating ideas,

848
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:43,440
but we need a more structured process to bring some of those ideas to implementation.

849
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,540
And that's where the study and outcome teams come in.

850
01:16:47,660 --> 01:16:49,840
We've only chartered a few of these at this point.

851
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:56,840
we've created a web team which is an outcome team that's really tasked. Now we've implemented

852
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:05,520
our new website. We're very proud of that website but it still needs some work and it needs

853
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:11,660
some improvement in various areas. And as we roll this out in the organization we needed

854
01:17:12,460 --> 01:17:19,440
expertise that's going to be dedicated to helping train departments and really work with departments

855
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,020
to improve those websites.

856
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:27,080
And so we created an outcome team with both super users and IT staff

857
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:31,780
that's going through and identifying what are high touch point websites

858
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,860
and they're going to work with those departments to make improvements

859
01:17:35,860 --> 01:17:39,340
and make sure that their internal staff is trained

860
01:17:39,340 --> 01:17:40,920
and knows how to use the new tool.

861
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,220
And so they're going to be an existence for three months,

862
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:49,920
I think we chart them for to, you know, get to 75% of that content.

863
01:17:51,940 --> 01:17:57,500
Study team is going to be a team that you'll be seeing towards the end of the month, actually.

864
01:17:57,860 --> 01:18:06,100
We created one around facilities to recommend a set of design guidelines that will design our

865
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:15,900
our remodel and potential new facility to in terms of our sustainability goals, customer

866
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:22,820
service goals, meeting space goals, and employee space goals.

867
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:29,540
So they'll be coming back to both a strategy team and then to you guys with a set of recommendations.

868
01:18:29,980 --> 01:18:34,300
These are the principles that we think we should be following and priorities we should have

869
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:37,920
as we go into to design this new facility.

870
01:18:38,220 --> 01:18:39,980
So that'd be an example of the study team.

871
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,400
They have a definite scope, a definite beginning,

872
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,680
and an end in a product that gets delivered

873
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:47,640
at the end of the day.

874
01:18:48,660 --> 01:18:51,240
And so that's something that staff was asking for

875
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,920
a more defined way to know what our path forward is

876
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,620
as we identify these kinds of issues that are cross

877
01:18:58,620 --> 01:19:02,940
departmental and maybe don't fall solidly in one area.

878
01:19:02,940 --> 01:19:03,020
Yeah.

879
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,740
So that's language you're going to probably start hearing

880
01:19:07,740 --> 01:19:09,380
within the organization.

881
01:19:09,380 --> 01:19:11,440
We're trying it out right now.

882
01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:14,900
And so you'll be hearing about these different teams

883
01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:15,760
going forward.

884
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:18,660
Just wanted to let you know.

885
01:19:19,900 --> 01:19:24,240
Yeah, it sounds like a logical progression

886
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:28,940
as a manager and employing the best and the brightest

887
01:19:28,940 --> 01:19:30,860
in the organization to the appropriate task

888
01:19:30,860 --> 01:19:33,200
in well-defined and timeline.

889
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,520
The only thing I'm kind of thinking of is I've seen parallels

890
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:41,340
with other organizations where, you know,

891
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:42,940
who wants to be on the finance committee,

892
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,740
and you got five people in the room,

893
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:46,080
three and more on that committee,

894
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:47,800
and who wants to be on the planning committee,

895
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,220
and three people are there,

896
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:52,480
and are we drawing so much on the same people,

897
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,120
or I mean, it's just going to be, you know,

898
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,860
a challenge in that sense that, you know,

899
01:19:57,980 --> 01:20:00,580
there's almost more work to do than the people involved

900
01:20:00,580 --> 01:20:08,300
And we've definitely had that discussion we haven't created enough to see right now we're not we've had a good spread

901
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:15,580
But you're exactly right Rachel that you know that the 10% people punish the really energetic with more work

902
01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:26,100
That's that's something that we've talked about and that you know as as managers and such we're gonna try and be cognizant of

903
01:20:27,180 --> 01:20:29,500
So, we'll have to keep an eye on that going forward.

904
01:20:29,660 --> 01:20:34,100
As a practical matter, when we just had the manager's team and the section, it was always

905
01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:34,800
the same people.

906
01:20:35,180 --> 01:20:35,540
Yeah, yeah.

907
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:40,100
And so, you almost never had the opportunity to bring line staff in, which we're doing

908
01:20:40,100 --> 01:20:46,000
now, and it's, it's, so hopefully, we'll get more diversity and better kind of, uh,

909
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:46,460
vertical communication.

910
01:20:46,460 --> 01:20:47,000
Up and down.

911
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:48,300
I think that that would be great.

912
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:50,820
And that, but it's going to be an outcome of this.

913
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,740
Yeah, and I think it's going to take a year or so of doing this for that to really get

914
01:20:55,740 --> 01:20:57,200
integrated in the organization.

915
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:57,920
Yeah.

916
01:20:58,300 --> 01:20:58,580
Thank you.

917
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:06,260
You know, I'm wondering kind of the same thing, like how do you pick who's on the team?

918
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:12,440
On these different teams, is it the part of the head sewer picking them?

919
01:21:12,700 --> 01:21:18,140
Or do you put out just an all county thing to ask if anyone's interested?

920
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,720
So what we do is we're doing these charter.

921
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:28,420
So, if it's at that strategy, the section leader level, we'll sit down with the charter

922
01:21:28,420 --> 01:21:34,920
and we've got a list of proposed team members and we talk about, you know, who would benefit

923
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:40,700
from the experience, how would the organization benefit from having them on the team.

924
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,860
So, right now, that's how it's happening, we may have to massage that going forward.

925
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:51,060
We're not necessarily asking for volunteers, we're still asking our managers and supervisors

926
01:21:51,060 --> 01:21:57,600
to kind of make a call because they need to make sure they can schedule the time and let

927
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,860
these folks participate for that period of time.

928
01:22:01,140 --> 01:22:01,660
So

929
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:05,320
we'll see how it works.

930
01:22:05,740 --> 01:22:08,440
Yeah, for sure, keep a separate date of this.

931
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:14,460
These different teams are working on things and see how the process is working.

932
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:19,560
Well, I'm wondering the things that I might be asking you guys to do is as a team finishes

933
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:24,860
is up maybe to do a recognition of them. I think it'd be really important, you know,

934
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,720
from time to time, have some recognition from you guys. And because we have a definite

935
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:33,620
beginning and end and something that is accomplished, we have a milestone to recognize.

936
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,880
I think bringing in people that aren't a pre-ministration, bringing in the line with people as you call

937
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,880
online workers is really important because it gives everybody a sense of ownership in the

938
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:47,540
organization as a whole. And it also just, there's a lot of good ideas and good minds out

939
01:22:47,540 --> 01:22:52,220
It's nice to have given them the opportunity to sit at that table and I think it'll be fun for them.

940
01:22:52,980 --> 01:22:55,240
Especially on the teams where we actually delegate.

941
01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:55,660
Yes.

942
01:22:55,900 --> 01:22:59,240
You get to run with this ball within these boundaries.

943
01:23:00,660 --> 01:23:02,460
Yeah, so you'll be hearing that language.

944
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:09,240
We're excited to try it and we've got a few teams going now and we'll keep you posted on how they go.

945
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:10,200
Thanks.

946
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,200
That's all I have for discussions.

947
01:23:16,370 --> 01:23:28,950
Okay, we have on our agenda shows open discussion two different times, which so we don't really need two different open discussions.

948
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:35,590
We could go right into order reports right now or yeah, and that was just for the items that maybe we didn't get.

949
01:23:35,930 --> 01:23:43,830
Yeah, we're trying to list items that we plan to talk about so the public knows, but we still have those items from time to time that come out.

950
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:47,710
So that this is for any unscheduled open discussion items.

951
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:51,210
And if there are none, we can move right into the board reports.

952
01:23:52,510 --> 01:23:57,870
Okay. Well, we could do our open discussion items right now,

953
01:23:57,870 --> 01:24:03,610
which I have one item. Does anybody else have open discussion items

954
01:24:03,610 --> 01:24:04,830
you want to bring up today?

955
01:24:05,570 --> 01:24:08,430
I could mix it with the board reports.

956
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:09,270
Okay.

957
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:20,290
The one item I wanted to bring forward was the citizens climate lobby is having their

958
01:24:20,290 --> 01:24:28,110
meeting in Washington, D.C. on June 21st through 23rd, and a couple different people have

959
01:24:28,110 --> 01:24:36,490
asked me if I could go to that. There's at least three people from the Aspen area are planning

960
01:24:36,490 --> 01:24:42,670
on attending that I know of, and more from the group in Carbon Day are planning on going.

961
01:24:44,410 --> 01:24:51,390
And John and I were discussing this the other day since we, we as the board didn't come

962
01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:58,330
to any decision on it at this point about their proposal for the carbon fee and dividend,

963
01:24:58,330 --> 01:25:09,350
But this whole conference is so people can learn more about that proposal and other possible

964
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:19,830
strategies for trying to reduce the carbon footprint, as well as a chance for lobbying and

965
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:23,830
having people from all around the country being able to go in and meet with their senators

966
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:30,190
and representatives and talk to them about climate change issues and about the carbon

967
01:25:30,190 --> 01:25:37,170
fee and dividend proposal and whatnot. So I really would like to go and I'm just

968
01:25:37,170 --> 01:25:45,430
uncertain as to my role if I would be going as a county commissioner or just going as my

969
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:52,570
So, without the blessing of the board or that sort of thing, Rachel.

970
01:25:53,110 --> 01:26:00,410
Well, it seems that before that June date, we could come up with a work session time to

971
01:26:00,410 --> 01:26:04,850
discuss as a board, whether we endorse the concept.

972
01:26:07,010 --> 01:26:11,850
You know, separate from that, I would believe if you wish to attend, this is, you know,

973
01:26:11,850 --> 01:26:17,850
You're at a state conference of the year to advance your skills and knowledge and everything like that.

974
01:26:18,010 --> 01:26:21,610
And that's your selection and you would be going as a picking county commissioner.

975
01:26:21,970 --> 01:26:26,230
The real question is whether you'd go with an endorsement of the proposal from us or not,

976
01:26:26,350 --> 01:26:32,990
but you certainly would be going representing our interest in resolving climate change issues and finding a path forward.

977
01:26:33,470 --> 01:26:35,170
That would be my mind of it.

978
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:39,170
And if you have the time and are willing to go, I think that's fine.

979
01:26:39,170 --> 01:26:39,950
Yeah,

980
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:45,460
I agree with Rachel, I was the comment.

981
01:26:46,460 --> 01:26:47,280
Yeah, really good time.

982
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:53,880
And my mind would be well worth my while to go just for what I could learn because it's

983
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,300
going to be a whole bunch of people from all around the country.

984
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:06,500
And being in Washington, D.C., which I have not been there since 1986, about I think was the

985
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:11,240
last time I was there, so it would be a good opportunity for me.

986
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:18,340
I would just suggest coordinating with Chris Seldon and the county attorney's office and see if there's any other issues that are

987
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:21,580
valuable to bring forward at that time while you're back there and

988
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:27,980
You know talking with Chris and might be something to break off from the larger group at a specific time or not

989
01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:29,380
I don't know but you know

990
01:27:29,380 --> 01:27:33,900
It's it's always that opportunity when you're back in DC to you know perhaps talk about

991
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:41,080
Our opposition to transfer of public lands or you know other other things that are brewing at the federal level

992
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:42,960
Yeah, maybe a little more time.

993
01:27:43,980 --> 01:27:47,440
Yeah, and I was already planning on staying one extra day

994
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:51,320
beyond the end of the conference just to be able to do

995
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:51,720
some of that.

996
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:56,180
For that type of thing and to just take in a couple of the sites

997
01:27:56,180 --> 01:27:59,580
which are amazing, amazing things there.

998
01:28:01,460 --> 01:28:01,700
Okay.

999
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,080
We can get that schedule.

1000
01:28:10,780 --> 01:28:13,700
Let's see, board reports, Northwest Cod.

1001
01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:19,980
Well, you know Northwest Card, since I was last on the board four years ago, has changed

1002
01:28:19,980 --> 01:28:21,080
their meeting schedule.

1003
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:26,360
So most of their meetings are done every other month and done by conference calls.

1004
01:28:26,980 --> 01:28:33,240
The only thing we did do differently this last month was we had an email vote on changes

1005
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:34,580
to the elevator program.

1006
01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:37,180
The elevator program is booming because of development.

1007
01:28:38,170 --> 01:28:43,620
Also the state standards for how you train and have certified elevator inspectors has changed

1008
01:28:43,620 --> 01:28:50,100
So COG kind of revisited the operations of the elevator program, increased one of the fees

1009
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:55,020
to help cover interns coming in and being trained properly by state requirements.

1010
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,000
So that's the only thing that's really happened with COG.

1011
01:28:59,740 --> 01:29:05,280
The flip side of that with economic development district part of COG, we are also joining those

1012
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:09,980
meetings with the regular COG meetings and doing those mostly by telecomference, which works

1013
01:29:09,980 --> 01:29:14,840
well I myself like it when we go to different jurisdictions and meet face-to-face

1014
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,800
that they get better relationships but we still do have those meetings planned

1015
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:25,160
and we have another one I think coming up sometime in probably I think it's June so

1016
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:29,020
I'll just go right to a resource region which is now so everyone knows the work force

1017
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:38,180
develop what is it work force whatever it is and I did just get a copy of the

1018
01:29:38,180 --> 01:29:44,080
proposed bill that's just been introduced. I got it from CCI. And what it does is it

1019
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:48,320
simply aligns the Colorado Statues with the Federal Workforce Innovation and

1020
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,640
Opportunity Act. So it's pretty, I've just started reading it, but it's pretty much

1021
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:57,860
just aligned in the language and deleting parts that no longer apply. I'm still

1022
01:29:57,860 --> 01:29:59,360
trying to figure out what the workforce

1023
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,440
Group does in our valley. It seems everything is focused in the Vale Valley. We do have a face-to-face. These meetings are also done at CMC campus to their teleconferencing system, which is really kind of neat, because everybody's on the same screen. But they do have a one meeting a year that's face-to-face. It's going to be in Glenwood Springs in July, so we'll actually get to sit at the table and meet all the players. And really try and figure out what more we can, how we can get more involvement of people

1024
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:35,060
in this valley, as far as being members of representing these different opportunities,

1025
01:30:35,540 --> 01:30:40,700
you know, the restaurants and retail and medical because I think the medical person is stepping down.

1026
01:30:41,980 --> 01:30:46,640
So that pretty much is all that we've done. There's not been a lot.

1027
01:30:46,780 --> 01:30:50,100
It's not as much activity as I'd like to see in those, either one of those groups.

1028
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:56,400
But, you know, I do participate and I do the teleconferencing or phone conferencing or computer conferencing.

1029
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,040
but so far that's been just about it.

1030
01:30:59,540 --> 01:31:07,480
I phoned in on the regional transportation coordinating committee meeting which involves

1031
01:31:07,480 --> 01:31:13,440
a lot of the senior centers around the Northwest College area and the different transportation

1032
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:21,980
systems and they have launched a one-call, one-click center where you can arrange a ride,

1033
01:31:25,140 --> 01:31:25,140
it's

1034
01:31:25,140 --> 01:31:31,040
I got this little flyer at the veterans meeting, but one of the things they do is provide

1035
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:35,740
rides for veterans who need to get to medical appointments.

1036
01:31:36,180 --> 01:31:40,940
That's a big program in Grand County so much so that they've actually had to hire up

1037
01:31:40,940 --> 01:31:43,380
because they have one person trying to orchestrate all of that.

1038
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:50,580
It really hasn't slid over to this valley as part of any of the veterans or seniors opportunities.

1039
01:31:50,580 --> 01:31:55,840
There is a big push statewide to have that transportation opportunities, especially for

1040
01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:01,080
rural communities so that people can see doctors, specialists, or pick up their prescriptions

1041
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:02,740
or any of those things.

1042
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,800
But again, it's not something that's really kicked in over here.

1043
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:10,560
Those are things that I'm helping to work on this next year to try and get us more involved

1044
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,420
in those sectors because we've kind of not been involved for a while.

1045
01:32:13,420 --> 01:32:19,800
You know, and our senior center is tuned in to health and human services or yeah,

1046
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:23,780
it's just finding that body in on all of these regional transportation things.

1047
01:32:23,780 --> 01:32:26,560
So I know we're over on the fringe billboard.

1048
01:32:26,780 --> 01:32:30,880
Yeah, the hard part is setting up and having a designated person who does nothing but sit

1049
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,060
there and orchestrate these appointments and drivers.

1050
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:38,460
We don't really have a list of drivers yet nor do we have a person that has the system

1051
01:32:38,460 --> 01:32:40,520
to set them up, but it's in the works.

1052
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:45,500
Yeah, it's a good thing, and it's just really in its infancy now, but it's growing and

1053
01:32:45,500 --> 01:32:49,760
I think it will be more successful in some counties than others.

1054
01:32:50,460 --> 01:32:56,300
They said that in Grand County, they have their director of their system quit, and the

1055
01:32:56,300 --> 01:32:59,740
several in charge quit, and several of the drivers all quit.

1056
01:33:00,180 --> 01:33:02,040
So I don't know what was going on there, but-

1057
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:06,460
Well, I think it's because it was getting pretty overused, and people just didn't have the

1058
01:33:07,220 --> 01:33:09,040
resources they needed to keep it going.

1059
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:13,080
that's too bad because last I heard is when they were trying to bring more people in so now they're

1060
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:21,540
trying to find people at all. It sounds like yeah. Let's see. Core. Core we just had our board

1061
01:33:21,540 --> 01:33:30,800
retreat yesterday and we're focusing on a strategic plan and we had a consultant who came up,

1062
01:33:30,980 --> 01:33:38,360
Ron Gager, who worked recently with Public Works and he was very excited about the work that

1063
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:44,020
this happening on that side of the county and you know strategic planning is

1064
01:33:44,020 --> 01:33:49,460
different than long-range planning and the model that he uses he asks us to

1065
01:33:49,460 --> 01:33:54,800
work on three different questions what do we aspire for as an organization

1066
01:33:55,940 --> 01:34:00,920
where do we want to play and how do we want to win and so it's a long

1067
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:07,140
process but we started to lay the groundwork for developing a strategic plan for

1068
01:34:07,140 --> 01:34:08,200
So that was good.

1069
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:13,520
Okay.

1070
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:14,500
QQ.

1071
01:34:16,540 --> 01:34:19,920
QQ is looking to schedule a meeting in July.

1072
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:21,680
They haven't picked the final date yet.

1073
01:34:21,860 --> 01:34:22,920
They only meet quarterly.

1074
01:34:24,620 --> 01:34:29,860
Tory Jarvis has been tracking the various bills that affect water throughout the session.

1075
01:34:30,340 --> 01:34:36,720
And as I think we've already talked about before, they were able working with good legislators

1076
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:44,780
and others, and I went down to testify and others to have the legislation that is dealing

1077
01:34:44,780 --> 01:34:52,340
with the Buske-Ivanhoe tunnel lawsuit change so that it would not retroactively take that

1078
01:34:52,340 --> 01:34:53,080
away from the courts.

1079
01:34:53,980 --> 01:34:57,400
So that's a good thing, and we'll move forward on that.

1080
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:03,760
On the other front where we have been working for a letter to go for public comments on May

1081
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:10,880
First, QQ will be sending comments to the State Water Plan, but the front-range commissioners

1082
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:18,300
have perhaps fallen behind the agendas for getting the Denver and Brunefield to sign

1083
01:35:18,300 --> 01:35:23,640
on to the letter by May 1st that we all pass, which is a little frustrating, but they're

1084
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:27,680
still seeing if they can routes that up by the end of the week or not, or whether they should

1085
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:32,900
just submit the letter as is, but bolder signing on and then add the other as they come in.

1086
01:35:32,900 --> 01:35:38,420
So that's, again, a little unfortunate in my mind, but that's kind of where that's going.

1087
01:35:39,300 --> 01:35:45,260
And, you know, I'll just, if it's okay with you Steve, kind of mixes in with the Colorado River Basin Roundtable.

1088
01:35:45,540 --> 01:35:49,080
We met yesterday down in Glenwood Springs.

1089
01:35:50,280 --> 01:36:01,000
And the continuing dialogue that I think is a challenge is what the state called the seven points of agreement,

1090
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,960
in or the conceptual framework for discussing new

1091
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:05,220
transmountain diversions.

1092
01:36:05,900 --> 01:36:08,780
And you know, from the Colorado River Basin,

1093
01:36:08,980 --> 01:36:11,660
there's a pretty clear understanding there's not new water to give.

1094
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,880
But then others are arguing that, well,

1095
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,520
when these projects come forward, at least you have a framework to talk about mitigation

1096
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,620
or a framework to talk about these things.

1097
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,760
Others are saying, well, yeah, that framework is an invitation to say, come on here

1098
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,180
and try and find more water.

1099
01:36:27,180 --> 01:36:35,640
I think it may be more of a premise necessary for some of the other basins that will be subject

1100
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:41,360
to really larger new transmountain diversions like the Yompa White.

1101
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:51,080
The points include things such as acknowledging that there's, you know, over a quarter of problems

1102
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:56,040
and combat compliance issues on the Colorado River and we don't want to ever cross that

1103
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:59,920
thresholded to noncompliance, so therefore any new

1104
01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:03,580
transmountain diversion would only be able to divert in

1105
01:37:03,580 --> 01:37:06,880
wet years, it wouldn't be able to divert every year, and

1106
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,500
that certain triggers would need to be developed to

1107
01:37:09,500 --> 01:37:13,540
determine how. But these words are all just really vague, who

1108
01:37:13,540 --> 01:37:17,540
defines a wet year, and what is the trigger, is the trigger

1109
01:37:17,540 --> 01:37:20,720
that the front range is out of water, or is the trigger that

1110
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:22,220
that the powers is too low.

1111
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:26,640
And so that just continues to be a point of discussion.

1112
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,200
I don't think that there's any real resolution.

1113
01:37:29,620 --> 01:37:33,060
I think the real questions revolve around process

1114
01:37:34,340 --> 01:37:36,580
that this is supposed to be grassroots up

1115
01:37:36,580 --> 01:37:39,200
and yet from the Interbasin Compact Committee,

1116
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,280
a lot of things seem to come down.

1117
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,300
And then you have the people in the committee saying,

1118
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:45,540
well, this is the only way to do it.

1119
01:37:45,580 --> 01:37:46,480
It's the best way to do it.

1120
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,500
And you start to feel like your local input

1121
01:37:48,500 --> 01:37:50,620
from the grass roots up is somewhat meaningless.

1122
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:56,680
So I don't know that we have any real clear direction on that item.

1123
01:37:57,900 --> 01:38:04,300
The Interbasin Compact Committee is meeting on Thursday of this week in Golden and I plan

1124
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:05,200
to attend that.

1125
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:11,400
I did miss the all-base and roundtable meeting which was a while ago because I was sick and

1126
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,440
I just wasn't able to make a head flu.

1127
01:38:14,180 --> 01:38:16,640
But so that's kind of a water update.

1128
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:23,380
Yeah and on the the seven points item they created a subcommittee which I'm

1129
01:38:23,380 --> 01:38:28,880
on for only going to actually meet once on May 8th and we have one person from

1130
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:35,580
Brand Darfield Eagle Pitkin and we're gonna get one person from Mesa County to

1131
01:38:35,580 --> 01:38:41,580
also serve on that subcommittee just to flesh out the wording of the seven

1132
01:38:41,580 --> 01:38:47,560
and points of framework of the agreement

1133
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:53,440
to present the call of these and position on it more clearly.

1134
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:55,620
I think that that would be a good work.

1135
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:56,760
I started to mention that.

1136
01:38:57,060 --> 01:39:00,800
It just seemed, again, that the document itself raises

1137
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,920
more triggers, more questions and answers

1138
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,960
and people are very uneasy saying, well,

1139
01:39:07,060 --> 01:39:10,580
let's let future generations interpret what

1140
01:39:10,580 --> 01:39:12,080
What does 7 points actually meant?

1141
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:19,160
And you know, the thing that I guess is a bottom line is that for our valley, for

1142
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:25,480
our area, our region, we may have more concern with how the identified projects and processes

1143
01:39:26,140 --> 01:39:31,160
are actually implemented in the future as opposed to a new, transmountain diversion.

1144
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:36,860
That could certainly affect the whole west slope and the compact, the 10 mile reach and

1145
01:39:36,860 --> 01:39:38,680
everything like that, 15 mile reach.

1146
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:51,380
But we're going to be more impacted by increased takes out of twin lakes and the frying pan and re operation of existing facilities than potentially a whole new diversion.

1147
01:39:51,840 --> 01:40:04,740
And so I've asked that whatever these seven points were, they should be a bare minimum standard for implementation of IPPs as well as any transplant diversion.

1148
01:40:04,740 --> 01:40:12,920
But that's highly disputed and most of the identified projects and processes are actually

1149
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:18,440
within base and projects and things like that, so they're not quite the same magnitude

1150
01:40:18,440 --> 01:40:19,600
of taking water out.

1151
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:21,340
But that's kind of those issues.

1152
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:25,480
CCI?

1153
01:40:26,340 --> 01:40:32,160
Yeah, I'm going to mix CCI here a little bit with Club 20 as well, trying to do this quickly.

1154
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:43,520
I did go down last week and testified on Thursday on Senate Bill 15272, and that is a transportation funding mechanism.

1155
01:40:43,980 --> 01:40:53,920
It would be to go to the voters for approval to reissue the trans bonds, which are transportation revenue and

1156
01:40:53,920 --> 01:41:00,560
anticipation notes from the federal government, and reissue those, and I think the year 2018

1157
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:01,700
for the next 20 years.

1158
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:10,000
And it's difficult to look at any road funding and say, don't do this, because the roads

1159
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,620
are so horribly in bad shape.

1160
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:18,020
But what I testified was that I thought that it was not a plan.

1161
01:41:18,260 --> 01:41:19,440
It was a project list.

1162
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:23,980
is a list of some roads that would get some improvement over some period of time.

1163
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:28,080
But it wasn't a plan for how we found our state's transportation needs.

1164
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:36,600
And I requested that it be amended to include at least a 10th of a cent gasoline tax increase.

1165
01:41:37,220 --> 01:41:42,380
And that they go in the year 2016, not try to do an off year election in 2015.

1166
01:41:43,480 --> 01:41:58,440
And I really repeatedly thank the Bill's sponsors for bringing the issue forward and having something to discuss about the state's transportation needs, but there just are some fatal flaws in that program as I see it.

1167
01:41:59,480 --> 01:42:09,820
One is that we're overall we're trying to fix the road problems of the state in 2016 through 2036 or 2018 through 2038.

1168
01:42:09,820 --> 01:42:14,040
with the same funding stream that we had in 1991, you know.

1169
01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:15,640
That's the problem.

1170
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:17,660
That's a big problem.

1171
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,780
Seedot testified on the bill that they didn't think they

1172
01:42:21,780 --> 01:42:23,180
would be able to make the interest payments.

1173
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:27,380
That the interest payments on the note would most likely eat

1174
01:42:27,380 --> 01:42:29,080
into their maintenance program.

1175
01:42:29,660 --> 01:42:31,660
And that the west slope would suffer the most.

1176
01:42:31,660 --> 01:42:32,740
That's how they have the maintenance.

1177
01:42:32,980 --> 01:42:35,740
Because Seedot has been telling everyone pretty loudly and clearly

1178
01:42:35,740 --> 01:42:38,500
for the past few years that we are a maintenance organization.

1179
01:42:38,500 --> 01:42:43,500
We no longer have capacity for new construction, for new capacity.

1180
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,380
We only are maintaining what we have.

1181
01:42:47,140 --> 01:42:54,920
And this program would add a lot of new lane capacity without any new maintenance dollars to go with them.

1182
01:42:55,260 --> 01:42:58,120
And also eat into the existing maintenance dollars.

1183
01:42:58,500 --> 01:43:06,360
So whether that's snow plowing at night or frequency of plowing or frequency of surface treatments on asphalt.

1184
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:09,720
Well, there's a big concern about that.

1185
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:14,420
And the other is that, you know, if you get down to pure real

1186
01:43:14,420 --> 01:43:19,260
politic, any campaign to pass a ballot issue in Colorado will

1187
01:43:19,260 --> 01:43:23,540
need to raise $3 to $6 million and spend that in public education.

1188
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:28,200
And after that money has been raised and a ballot question done,

1189
01:43:28,740 --> 01:43:32,600
no one is going to come back two years or four years later and say,

1190
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:35,440
Well, by the way, that really was just a list of projects.

1191
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:36,980
It wasn't enough funding.

1192
01:43:37,140 --> 01:43:40,260
Now let's do the real transportation plan for the state.

1193
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:42,660
That's not going to happen.

1194
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:48,240
And even the contractors and construction organization

1195
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:52,120
of the state of Colorado came in and testified against this bill

1196
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,400
because it didn't have new revenues.

1197
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,240
And it needs to have new revenues if we're really

1198
01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:58,660
going to deal with the problem.

1199
01:43:59,420 --> 01:44:05,260
And one of the other real items that concerns me tremendously, there's two others and then I'll let it go.

1200
01:44:05,380 --> 01:44:10,860
But this is an important issue and it will be decided in these last eight days of the legislative session.

1201
01:44:11,860 --> 01:44:18,620
It's the project list itself and the project list that they have was developed from the TPR process.

1202
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:28,320
But it was when the TPRs were asked, how would you spend an extra 222 million a year coming from a general fund

1203
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:33,500
transfer year after year spread across all the transportation districts of the state.

1204
01:44:34,300 --> 01:44:38,420
And so they've taken some of the top two or three projects from each one of those TPRs

1205
01:44:38,420 --> 01:44:39,520
and put it into this list.

1206
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:46,220
It's not the way TPRs would have divided it up or allocated money if they were told.

1207
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:54,280
This is your part of a $3.2 billion bond and it will be the only major construction projects

1208
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,980
for the next 20 years, what do you want to have accomplished?

1209
01:44:57,980 --> 01:44:59,940
For example, the...

1210
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,920
There's nothing for the entrance to Aspen and I would imagine that while it's unsettled now, hopefully within the next 20 years, there will be a plan for that congestion on Main Street and it coming into town. The only real project in the whole high rated to Picking County portion was a real line brush Creek underpass at buttermilk. The salt project is considered to be evil county because it's I don't know why they might have

1211
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:38,000
But that was it. That was it. That was what I saw on this project list. And from Brian

1212
01:45:38,580 --> 01:45:43,280
Pettit's analysis, it would, and I also spoke with Randy Rady at the city of Aspen and

1213
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:48,740
preparing for this, that it really would shift a major amount of the transportation funding

1214
01:45:48,740 --> 01:45:52,640
for maintenance on the west slope into construction and new lanes on the front range.

1215
01:45:53,880 --> 01:46:00,200
We all went through trends once before and a number of projects that were on that list did not get

1216
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:04,500
accomplished, they did not get completed because they ran out of money and we're still paying those

1217
01:46:04,500 --> 01:46:11,940
bonds off now that will, that aren't building anything, you know. So the interest note on it was

1218
01:46:11,940 --> 01:46:19,000
you know like two and a half billion in interest to get 3.2 billion of road construction now.

1219
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:20,860
Now, so that's troubling.

1220
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:26,560
There's a lot of advantages to bonding, you know, inflation on construction costs and

1221
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,320
so on, and advancing large projects at one time.

1222
01:46:29,900 --> 01:46:32,220
But again, you just have to have a new revenue source.

1223
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:40,120
We heard a lot of reinventing history of the past trans bonds, and you know, at that time

1224
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:41,660
it was put forward.

1225
01:46:41,860 --> 01:46:42,620
There was a valid question.

1226
01:46:42,740 --> 01:46:45,480
Should the DAS tax be raised by cents, or should we do the bonds?

1227
01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:51,080
and two different gubernatorial candidates were running on those two items, and the one

1228
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:57,620
who said bonding only won, and I just had to look back to the group and say, can you imagine

1229
01:46:57,620 --> 01:47:03,380
if we'd had bonding and a new revenue source? How much better off we would be? And even the

1230
01:47:03,380 --> 01:47:09,180
last is that the federal partners have become very unpredictable. We saw the federal government

1231
01:47:10,740 --> 01:47:20,760
We've seen delayed payments, we've seen pulling back authorized pilt payments for sequester purposes where they've been withholding money.

1232
01:47:21,500 --> 01:47:26,900
We've seen less allocated than was originally authorized in given years.

1233
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:35,100
And the federal government has not passed a transportation six-year bill now since the year 2005, I believe.

1234
01:47:35,860 --> 01:47:44,520
And so we've been working on continuing resolutions that are six months or one year or 18 months long can't do big projects without knowing what your money is coming from.

1235
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:56,660
So to me, anticipating a certain revenue stream from the Fed's 20 years out and pinning my future on that is very different when everyone's crying for deficit reduction, get rid of the federal deficits.

1236
01:47:56,660 --> 01:48:01,940
Since the federal government does not have a new source of money for this that is at all transportation related,

1237
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:08,800
they're hoping they can get a repatriation bill of bringing corporate tax proceeds home.

1238
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,240
And they would use that for a six year funding of this bill.

1239
01:48:12,860 --> 01:48:17,400
So the other 14 years worth of funding, we don't know where there would be for

1240
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:18,480
the next transportation bill.

1241
01:48:18,620 --> 01:48:22,640
So I think it's just fatally flawed and I just received the email from Club 20.

1242
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:28,740
They're being asked the way in and I wrote most of those same comments down as to why I don't think we should support.

1243
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:35,160
We should support it if it's amended to include a revenue source and to go into your 2016 when you can mount a real campaign.

1244
01:48:36,020 --> 01:48:39,640
So that's kind of my club 20 report.

1245
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:43,660
The other last thing and not to take everyone's time too much I hate doing that.

1246
01:48:44,220 --> 01:48:51,860
But Senate Bill was at 232 which was the transfer of public lands bill.

1247
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:57,140
That also passed out of committee, both of these bills passed out of committee on party line votes.

1248
01:48:57,140 --> 01:48:58,740
There were strictly party line votes.

1249
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:06,060
And it is to form a committee of 15 members, counties predominantly,

1250
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:13,120
who will study and facilitate and prepare for the imminent transfer of public lands to the states.

1251
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:17,500
And it would be funded by the counties who choose to participate.

1252
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:21,140
So there's no fiscal note on it.

1253
01:49:21,140 --> 01:49:31,760
It's very hard to get anything with fiscal notepass, so that the counties who want to participate would pay for the transportation costs, the staffing costs, and for their members to participate.

1254
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:37,900
And this kind of like two counties with more than 50% of public land, two counties with less than 50% of public land.

1255
01:49:39,100 --> 01:49:48,600
The challenge becomes you could have two counties appointed to this commission who all favor the transfer of public lands and are more than willing to finance that commission and other pieces of people's voices would not be heard.

1256
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:55,620
I would note that one of our former open space and trails board members, Annie Rickenball,

1257
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:57,260
testified against the bill.

1258
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:05,660
We saw an environment Colorado testify, the Sierra Club testify, trial and limited

1259
01:50:05,660 --> 01:50:15,240
with Audubon Society testify opposing as well as individual citizens of Republicans, Hunter,

1260
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:17,960
conservation group, which I hadn't heard of before,

1261
01:50:18,620 --> 01:50:24,520
testified former director of GoCo and Colorado Parks and Recreation,

1262
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:28,860
testified, but it still has some life into it,

1263
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:31,860
and the hope is that it would die in the house.

1264
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:36,640
And that the house will, they're kind of killing each other's bills off,

1265
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:38,800
and there's not a lot of compromise there.

1266
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:44,760
But for me, the last thing I want is to Colorado to take a front runner

1267
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:51,120
position on this type of effort and to be considered in concert and in league with Idaho

1268
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:56,700
and Nevada and some of these other places that have been pushing the message.

1269
01:50:57,180 --> 01:51:01,900
And then see the type of backlash we saw in Indiana against the Religious Freedom Rights

1270
01:51:01,900 --> 01:51:02,560
Act.

1271
01:51:02,780 --> 01:51:06,880
You know, I think the sporting good industry and the outdoor recreation industry has been

1272
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:11,440
very good to Colorado and I don't think we should send them the message that we're planning

1273
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:13,260
on taking over our federal lands.

1274
01:51:14,140 --> 01:51:21,260
There's a lot of reports that have been done by Idaho and by others, Utah.

1275
01:51:21,940 --> 01:51:26,020
And the predominant fiscal note is that if you're going to take over the responsibilities

1276
01:51:26,020 --> 01:51:34,040
for firefighting, biology, park rangers, campsites, everything else, all the management of our

1277
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:40,360
federal lands and endangered species, things like this, that you are going to have to radically

1278
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:54,080
ramp up the revenues that come from those lands, you're going to have to do a lot more oil and gas leasing, a lot more privatization, a lot more higher fees for grazing or for those camp uses or things like that.

1279
01:51:54,520 --> 01:52:02,720
And the example that's given is even in Colorado, the state school board lands, which were given to the states for the purposes of financing schools.

1280
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:11,020
But out of the 2.5, only about 1.4 million acres remain that have not been leased or sold.

1281
01:52:11,660 --> 01:52:15,400
And so, state like Colorado with the table laws and

1282
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:22,100
table restrictions on revenues, it's very hard to imagine where the money would come from if you had a bad year.

1283
01:52:22,620 --> 01:52:28,600
Or if oil and gas leases, premises were based on $80 barrel oil and oil is down at 60.

1284
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:32,820
You know, you would just have horrible deficits in your state budget.

1285
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:38,780
And so, but this is an issue that needs to be followed carefully and needs as much attention as possible.

1286
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:47,100
Because the federal government has already tacked funds on $500,000 or $5,000,000 to, for the federal government,

1287
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:55,140
to begin facilitating the transfer of public landscape that was added by Senator Lisa Murkowski from Alaska.

1288
01:52:55,140 --> 01:53:00,660
And so there is a very strong federal movement of foot to do this.

1289
01:53:00,900 --> 01:53:05,400
Well, and I've talked to Annie earlier since she's my neighbor and got in touch with Keegan Park.

1290
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:11,600
I was told by Rachel with Gary Donovan's office and they were going to debate the bill on the Senate floor today.

1291
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:16,540
They took a break, so they're going to come back between four or five this afternoon and debate it.

1292
01:53:16,940 --> 01:53:21,940
Carrie is going to add amendments mostly based on the letter that we, you know,

1293
01:53:21,940 --> 01:53:28,640
Thanks to Rachel bringing it forward that we wrote and sent down there especially about the fiscal note about how can you ask these counties to pay for this

1294
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:32,560
This is a state issue the state should be paid because then it would get kicked to the finance committee

1295
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:36,740
Wouldn't it if there was a fiscal note attached to a bill? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I may have to look over yeah

1296
01:53:36,740 --> 01:53:40,020
So that may delay it even further of course the next big round

1297
01:53:40,020 --> 01:53:45,740
I would rather see it killed in the house and Pied and then they'll see they'll slide it back in again

1298
01:53:45,740 --> 01:53:49,360
in that beginning of the next session, but it'd be nice if they had to start over again.

1299
01:53:49,940 --> 01:53:57,520
It is frightening when you actually read the bill and they're not just asking you to pay for your commissioners' time to go to a meeting.

1300
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:04,800
They're asking you to pay for a fiscal report, for land reports, for acreage reports, for the nitty gritty.

1301
01:54:04,980 --> 01:54:08,540
It's not just pay for your commissioner to drive to Denver for a meeting.

1302
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:13,920
It's a big financial responsibility that will be bought and paid for by those special interest groups and

1303
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:16,300
in those communities that really think this is a great idea.

1304
01:54:17,220 --> 01:54:19,460
So, you know, Rach, I really appreciate you bringing it forward.

1305
01:54:19,580 --> 01:54:20,760
It's critical to call around.

1306
01:54:20,940 --> 01:54:22,320
It's critical to the Western states.

1307
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:23,240
I agree.

1308
01:54:23,900 --> 01:54:32,160
The other bill that is we have an interest in is modifying the Senate Bill 152.

1309
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:42,440
Having to do broadband legislation from 2005, there will be, it didn't gain any traction

1310
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:49,360
and the legislature this year, there is a committee forming that will continue studying

1311
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:56,300
get the different stakeholders at the table with a meeting on, first one on May 18th, to work

1312
01:54:56,300 --> 01:55:03,860
on it through the summer and try to come up with, you know, the, I don't know, the language

1313
01:55:03,860 --> 01:55:09,680
has to be modified, but definitely more vetting has to be done on the thing in order to have

1314
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:12,720
that proceed anywhere in the legislature next year.

1315
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:14,880
And is this one that the kickoff of that

1316
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,160
is then to try and create language for a ballot question,

1317
01:55:17,500 --> 01:55:18,720
which is a positive part.

1318
01:55:18,900 --> 01:55:20,600
Well, if we can't get the bill through to change it,

1319
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:22,940
let's try and create some language for the counties

1320
01:55:22,940 --> 01:55:24,660
who want to put it on the ballot in November.

1321
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:26,460
We have to start from square one,

1322
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:27,980
which I think is very helpful.

1323
01:55:28,380 --> 01:55:30,440
So it's really a two-pronged approach

1324
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:34,160
that we're following one to try to amend the bill

1325
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:37,440
and make it better and to just opt out of the bill

1326
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:44,240
through a pallet when I should have heard yeah yeah thank you okay moving on

1327
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:51,820
Rudy water and power we had a retreat about a month ago we went to a more

1328
01:55:51,820 --> 01:55:58,880
regional approach to projects based on the water plan so we'll see what comes

1329
01:55:58,880 --> 01:55:59,300
with that

1330
01:56:02,630 --> 01:56:10,750
so who Rachel yeah I just like to add on to that earlier this month I

1331
01:56:10,750 --> 01:56:24,750
I attended a meeting in Carbondale that Mark Fuller with Rudai Water and Power Authority pulled together about the Ute Water Conservancy District lease of water to the CWCB for

1332
01:56:24,750 --> 01:56:30,230
for in-stream purposes in the 15-mile reach, the endangered fish area on the Colorado River.

1333
01:56:31,290 --> 01:56:37,750
John Ealy and most of the attorney office staff attended as well as a lot of members of Rudi

1334
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:44,850
and a lot of concerned citizens. And the issue is not that we don't want more water flowing to

1335
01:56:44,850 --> 01:56:51,340
the endangered fish or that we have troubles per se with the water lease, but we wanted to have

1336
01:56:51,340 --> 01:57:07,160
I have that opportunity to talk with the CWCB staff who came up and attended the meeting about kind of what is the long term plan that if we see all these different route I contract stack to be released in late summer and they would CWCB would be a part of that.

1337
01:57:08,060 --> 01:57:18,080
How will they protect to make sure the flows are not too high in the frying pan for anglers to actually get in the water during late July August or September.

1338
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:23,120
the real problem act there. For the city of Aspen, the concern is the power generation

1339
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:27,860
at Rudai, and if all the water is being released at one time and not consistently, there's

1340
01:57:27,860 --> 01:57:32,280
a point at which it's too high for effective operations of their turbines and their energy

1341
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:38,000
production comes down. There are issues about saving up too much water for the summer and

1342
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:42,760
not letting the left go in the winter to protect the frying pan and the health of the species.

1343
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:44,560
you should get the anchor ice at the bottom.

1344
01:57:45,980 --> 01:57:48,740
And so Mark had just sent an email out

1345
01:57:48,740 --> 01:57:52,060
to, you know, with what the C-B-W-C-B is saying,

1346
01:57:52,180 --> 01:57:53,260
well, what would you guys like?

1347
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:57,380
And John Ealy responded, I don't know what we'd like

1348
01:57:57,380 --> 01:57:58,380
because we haven't seen the contract.

1349
01:57:59,020 --> 01:58:01,180
We don't know what you guys are considering.

1350
01:58:02,540 --> 01:58:06,240
And it really is not about being negative with you water

1351
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:06,980
by any means.

1352
01:58:07,220 --> 01:58:09,860
And we saw some kind of divisive comments

1353
01:58:09,860 --> 01:58:14,360
that our community was only concerned about root eye and root eye operations

1354
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:18,860
because of the Aspen Yacht Club and would be able to float the boats and the Aspen Yacht Club.

1355
01:58:19,820 --> 01:58:24,180
And that they would like to send this water down to Lake Powell to help all of us.

1356
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:26,080
And of course, that's illegal.

1357
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:31,220
You can't buy water and then sell it out of your district, the little one out of state

1358
01:58:31,220 --> 01:58:32,480
and for those purposes.

1359
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:36,620
So those are not considered beneficial uses under state of Colorado Water Law.

1360
01:58:36,620 --> 01:58:44,120
But again, it's not the real meat of this issue is that when root-eye sold, all the remaining

1361
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:50,580
water to be sold out of root-eye, to pay off the root-eye debt, people invested as they

1362
01:58:50,580 --> 01:58:55,280
wisely should have in the future growth of their communities, whether it's rifle or grand

1363
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:56,720
junction, Mesa or anywhere.

1364
01:58:57,300 --> 01:59:05,560
But this shows that we're starting to use that compensatory storage that the west slope

1365
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:10,720
was compensated for the take of the friark over to the front range with this pool of water

1366
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:16,480
that would assist with our future development needs and economic growth, but instead

1367
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:22,180
we're starting to contract that water to make up for over-depletion of the main stem and

1368
01:59:22,180 --> 01:59:26,480
to mitigate the impacts that are happening on the main stem of Colorado with the endangered

1369
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:26,840
fish.

1370
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:31,420
And so it's a little bit of, well, if there's already not enough water in the system for

1371
01:59:32,940 --> 01:59:44,840
How are they going to, you know, permit all these other takes out of the main stem and will we see our water for our future growth as the west slope actually just need it for that sort of purpose.

1372
01:59:45,160 --> 01:59:50,480
So that was the other thing that Rudy has been very involved in the past few weeks.

1373
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:50,560
Thanks.

1374
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:52,680
Okay.

1375
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:53,620
Thanks, Rachel.

1376
01:59:54,300 --> 01:59:55,400
Well, Akra.

1377
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:57,200
Hiya.

1378
01:59:57,260 --> 01:59:58,640
We're just an Akra meeting today.

1379
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,420
Presentation by the one for Mountain Bike Association, and by our friend Mirta with Recycle,

1380
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:10,040
also

1381
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:15,740
by the director of the PAPSHA, Mike Kandroski, I guess, his name.

1382
02:00:23,010 --> 02:00:26,330
Okay. Rapt aboard. Rapt

1383
02:00:26,330 --> 02:00:32,470
we didn't have a meeting last, not last, but this month, and we're going to have a meeting

1384
02:00:32,470 --> 02:00:34,170
in June.

1385
02:00:36,380 --> 02:00:43,220
Okay. Senior Council, I wasn't able to make it to the last meeting but I've

1386
02:00:43,220 --> 02:00:51,860
been staying in touch with what's happening. On May 20th over in Summit County, there

1387
02:00:51,860 --> 02:00:58,940
will be two of our people from the Senior Council will be honored as Senior Volunteer

1388
02:00:58,940 --> 02:01:04,780
of the year, Peg Magavik, and friends of the senior Seth Sachs, and we'll both be honored

1389
02:01:04,780 --> 02:01:12,200
at that, and I'm going to go over. I went last year also, and the different commissioners

1390
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:13,600
there all spoke briefly.

1391
02:01:15,740 --> 02:01:21,020
The senior council is planning a golf tournament in September,

1392
02:01:21,220 --> 02:01:28,080
which will be, we have new energetic blood involved in organizing the thing and some new ideas.

1393
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:34,320
So you know our names have been put on the list of organizers, we just wanted to let you know that.

1394
02:01:38,870 --> 02:01:40,310
Okay, Nordic Council.

1395
02:01:42,580 --> 02:01:49,200
Nordic Council, they just talked about doing some work this summer in terms of trail work.

1396
02:01:49,420 --> 02:01:59,820
They're going to coordinate with open space and trails because some of that is on open space lands just to make those trails a little more sensitive

1397
02:01:59,820 --> 02:02:03,700
to hold snow as well as there's brush that's growing up along the

1398
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:10,100
inner mountain TPR did not have a

1399
02:02:10,100 --> 02:02:11,360
meeting okay

1400
02:02:13,530 --> 02:02:20,390
and we added on for this time the renewable energy round table which I sent out

1401
02:02:20,390 --> 02:02:27,470
a thing with the minutes of it just this morning for everybody to look at the specifics of that

1402
02:02:29,570 --> 02:02:34,970
There was a pretty interesting meeting, Patty and I were both there.

1403
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:38,930
Patty, do you want to talk about it in a shite go ahead?

1404
02:02:38,950 --> 02:02:44,770
I think one of the things that was of interest is how to continue funding the efforts of

1405
02:02:45,390 --> 02:02:50,370
really clear the energy organization, the clean energy organization of Garfield County.

1406
02:02:50,930 --> 02:02:56,790
Because there's, George helped me with this, there's clear and then there's Garfield County

1407
02:02:56,790 --> 02:02:58,570
clean energy, so there's two organizations.

1408
02:02:58,910 --> 02:03:09,630
No, Garfield, GEC, Garfield Energy Council is made up of municipalities who put dollars

1409
02:03:09,630 --> 02:03:18,110
in to support energy efficiency programs, and what they've done in the past is they've

1410
02:03:18,110 --> 02:03:20,050
contracted those services out the quick.

1411
02:03:21,190 --> 02:03:28,030
And then you have energy smart Colorado that's also involved in that region and in our region.

1412
02:03:28,750 --> 02:03:32,410
So we have these multiple entities and clear does not, it's my understanding that clear

1413
02:03:32,410 --> 02:03:38,310
does not have a designated source of funding such as the RIMP funds for.

1414
02:03:39,050 --> 02:03:46,890
Well they rely on contractual basis not only for GCE, but also as a consultant whether

1415
02:03:46,890 --> 02:03:48,130
there would be the town of Carbondale.

1416
02:03:48,310 --> 02:03:49,490
We'll hire them to do work,

1417
02:03:50,090 --> 02:03:52,690
or they can actually do work anywhere in the country

1418
02:03:53,110 --> 02:03:54,910
as a consultant fee basis.

1419
02:03:55,090 --> 02:03:57,130
So that's how they generate their time.

1420
02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:59,650
Well, I came up, it's part of the surround table.

1421
02:04:00,330 --> 02:04:03,550
I heard from Rachel, I mean Alice Hubbard,

1422
02:04:03,890 --> 02:04:07,190
which Alice Hubbard, and you heard from Tom Jenkowski?

1423
02:04:07,630 --> 02:04:07,750
Tom Kowski.

1424
02:04:08,270 --> 02:04:09,590
About the fact there was no.

1425
02:04:10,110 --> 02:04:11,690
Of course, I wanted to raise my hand and say,

1426
02:04:11,810 --> 02:04:13,850
well, why don't you guys pass a renewable energy

1427
02:04:13,850 --> 02:04:22,590
mitigation program of some sort, but I didn't say anything, because there was no suggestions as how they could raise any money to sustain clear.

1428
02:04:23,930 --> 02:04:34,790
But we did talk about some economic development issues, which I think were key, such as how much these clear energy efforts have really gained towards our local employment factors.

1429
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:39,610
These huge growth, and a lot of kids going off to school and coming back with the skills

1430
02:04:39,610 --> 02:04:44,610
in their pockets, they're needed for installations and maintenance of renewable energy sources.

1431
02:04:45,190 --> 02:04:47,410
So there's a lot of enthusiasm around that.

1432
02:04:48,110 --> 02:04:54,250
One of the problems a lot of the contractors are finding, especially in the Bale Quarter,

1433
02:04:54,470 --> 02:04:59,730
Bale Valley Quarter, is the inability to find employees because there's no housing.

1434
02:05:00,230 --> 02:05:07,430
So, that was kind of part of the discussion is how they can further these efforts of renewable

1435
02:05:07,430 --> 02:05:13,310
energy employment opportunities and just how huge that has been for economic development

1436
02:05:13,310 --> 02:05:13,970
in the region.

1437
02:05:15,090 --> 02:05:18,110
So, Steve, I don't know, I mean, those are things that really stood out to me, it was a great

1438
02:05:18,110 --> 02:05:19,030
discussion there.

1439
02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:24,850
Well, there were also issues about fees for renewable energies through community development departments

1440
02:05:24,850 --> 02:05:27,570
and why does it cost so much to do the right thing?

1441
02:05:27,570 --> 02:05:32,450
You know, is there a way we could streamline the fee process, permitting process for people

1442
02:05:32,450 --> 02:05:38,730
who are doing really small scale renewable energies on their private homes, how we could

1443
02:05:38,730 --> 02:05:45,050
really incentivize it so people could afford it, and it could be done in a quicker fashion.

1444
02:05:47,130 --> 02:05:48,330
We looked at that.

1445
02:05:48,430 --> 02:05:49,350
What else did-

1446
02:05:49,350 --> 02:05:50,810
Well, one thing that was-

1447
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:52,750
I don't have the minutes to run out.

1448
02:05:52,750 --> 02:05:59,090
Gail Shortz was there and she talked about copays which is a state funding mechanism for

1449
02:05:59,090 --> 02:06:09,670
energy things and it sounded like an interesting program but my big takeaway from the round

1450
02:06:09,670 --> 02:06:17,550
table meeting was well represented from a lot of different municipalities and a lot

1451
02:06:17,550 --> 02:06:22,230
of different counties where there are a lot of people doing a lot of different projects

1452
02:06:22,230 --> 02:06:29,470
that are all beneficial, similar to what CORE is doing here at our end of the valley.

1453
02:06:30,770 --> 02:06:37,170
And the funding source for keeping these things going seemed to be, I mean, that's a common

1454
02:06:37,170 --> 02:06:45,630
thing that we all face, and that really fits right in with the issue of us having rent

1455
02:06:52,890 --> 02:07:02,090
And if we could all work together with all these different entities and come up with a common funding mechanism, I think that would be awesome.

1456
02:07:02,170 --> 02:07:08,630
When you talk about the rent program, obviously we know how Mike feels about it, but the rent program was designed to fail.

1457
02:07:08,630 --> 02:07:15,530
The rent program was designed so the people did the right thing and we never anticipated that rent would collect the dollars that I remember the first year

1458
02:07:15,530 --> 02:07:19,670
Everybody was shocked the second year and then is the building but in the interim

1459
02:07:19,670 --> 02:07:27,910
Core I think has managed to find other funding opportunities that because of the rent money getting them off their feet

1460
02:07:27,910 --> 02:07:33,610
You know getting it started they were able to find other avenues of financial sustainability

1461
02:07:33,610 --> 02:07:41,790
so they're not totally dependent on rent monies and I think because we're the only entity at this end of the valley that's been beneficial.

1462
02:07:42,150 --> 02:07:50,170
We don't have the overlapping services and it of course been trying to work with clear over the years to try and create some kind of working partnership.

1463
02:07:50,170 --> 02:07:55,050
And I think it's working better than then initially started off as which is a good thing for the valley.

1464
02:07:55,050 --> 02:07:57,810
So one thing that was interesting is the people in

1465
02:07:57,810 --> 02:08:01,830
carbon nail are in this, it's the opposite of the

1466
02:08:01,830 --> 02:08:04,370
bermuda triangle they can get funding from that.

1467
02:08:04,530 --> 02:08:05,230
All sides.

1468
02:08:05,610 --> 02:08:08,450
All sides, they can get funding for projects.

1469
02:08:09,030 --> 02:08:12,030
And that's one reason carbon nail is so much farther ahead

1470
02:08:12,030 --> 02:08:16,070
of other places and projects that they can accomplish.

1471
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:19,730
They also have opportunities to get funding from other

1472
02:08:19,730 --> 02:08:22,690
utility companies too that are more broad spread down there.

1473
02:08:22,690 --> 02:08:25,750
And then, so just in the city of Aspen, you just have city electric.

1474
02:08:26,490 --> 02:08:31,930
So there's a little, it's very different for Carmanone and you write their benefit in the

1475
02:08:31,930 --> 02:08:32,410
great way.

1476
02:08:32,690 --> 02:08:32,810
Yeah.

1477
02:08:33,370 --> 02:08:39,630
So there is going to be another meeting sometime, they said in June with no date set yet.

1478
02:08:40,250 --> 02:08:46,410
But it was well worth our while being there and looking forward to future meetings.

1479
02:08:47,170 --> 02:08:47,690
Yeah, thank you.

1480
02:08:47,710 --> 02:08:52,030
As you guys know, I didn't participate in the discussion, we weren't noticed appropriately and

1481
02:08:52,030 --> 02:08:55,750
And I just really wasn't sure where the conversation was going.

1482
02:08:56,430 --> 02:09:01,430
In terms of discussing things like co-pace, but I think that we should do a work session

1483
02:09:01,430 --> 02:09:07,310
on co-pace and see if it's something that our board would like to sign up for, get involved

1484
02:09:07,310 --> 02:09:12,730
and that's the commercial property assessed clean energy improvements that the state is doing.

1485
02:09:13,310 --> 02:09:19,250
And so I think that that was part of the reason I didn't want to sit in a larger discussion

1486
02:09:19,250 --> 02:09:20,970
and in case we're going to be asked,

1487
02:09:21,070 --> 02:09:23,130
well, would Pitkin County do that or something?

1488
02:09:23,710 --> 02:09:25,010
But I think it's worth discussing.

1489
02:09:25,650 --> 02:09:27,810
And it is something that I had discussed briefly

1490
02:09:27,810 --> 02:09:29,450
with Mona that they are concerned

1491
02:09:29,450 --> 02:09:35,370
that the clear energy, long-term funding for really making

1492
02:09:35,370 --> 02:09:38,350
grants or things like that is very limited

1493
02:09:38,350 --> 02:09:40,710
and maybe going away for a variety of reasons.

1494
02:09:40,970 --> 02:09:42,890
I don't know if it was the Garfield County commissioners

1495
02:09:42,890 --> 02:09:44,450
weren't sure they were going to fund it again

1496
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:46,130
or where it's all going.

1497
02:09:46,130 --> 02:09:49,850
And they're having, you know, declining revenues from

1498
02:09:49,850 --> 02:09:51,530
severance tax and they got their own issues.

1499
02:09:51,730 --> 02:09:57,590
So I don't know their budget, but what it struck me,

1500
02:09:57,770 --> 02:10:00,430
I mentioned it to Alice, and maybe Mona,

1501
02:10:00,950 --> 02:10:02,990
is that maybe they should try something legislatively

1502
02:10:02,990 --> 02:10:06,730
last year where some severance tax could be used

1503
02:10:06,730 --> 02:10:10,530
for those type of programs, but only in severance tax

1504
02:10:11,050 --> 02:10:12,090
generating counties.

1505
02:10:12,090 --> 02:10:17,870
I think that in general, the Severance Tax Counties are very concerned about always seeing

1506
02:10:17,870 --> 02:10:18,690
their funds swept.

1507
02:10:18,970 --> 02:10:23,390
This year was a 20 million, I think, and I think in the final number, 20 or 25, into

1508
02:10:23,390 --> 02:10:25,590
the state budget to take care of all state needs.

1509
02:10:26,150 --> 02:10:31,670
And so whether it's club 20 or CCI, I mean, the main principle is do not divert Severance

1510
02:10:31,670 --> 02:10:33,810
Tax money from impacted Severance Counties.

1511
02:10:34,090 --> 02:10:39,970
But if you were to set it aside in a program that benefited Severance Tax Counties, and

1512
02:10:39,970 --> 02:10:41,910
that only they could take advantage of,

1513
02:10:42,110 --> 02:10:44,210
I think there might be some political will for that.

1514
02:10:44,510 --> 02:10:46,310
And I think that they should take a hard look at that.

1515
02:10:48,150 --> 02:10:50,670
And Steve, speaking of economic development stuff,

1516
02:10:50,810 --> 02:10:52,990
I did just get an email from Rachel Lindy

1517
02:10:52,990 --> 02:10:53,890
from Northwest Cog.

1518
02:10:54,350 --> 02:10:56,290
They had a meeting, the economic development

1519
02:10:56,290 --> 02:10:58,590
working group had a meeting when we had a regular board meeting

1520
02:10:58,590 --> 02:10:59,750
so I was not able to go.

1521
02:11:00,230 --> 02:11:02,250
And I'm going to point this at you, Mr. Peacock.

1522
02:11:02,910 --> 02:11:06,930
She's asking for, if there's any, she said,

1523
02:11:07,030 --> 02:11:08,190
could you point me in the direction

1524
02:11:08,190 --> 02:11:14,890
of any economic development plans for the city of Aspen and pick the city of Aspen,

1525
02:11:15,170 --> 02:11:21,110
North West Cog rep, ADD rep, but that might be something we can look at as far as our

1526
02:11:22,690 --> 02:11:24,250
telecommunications infrastructure issues.

1527
02:11:25,250 --> 02:11:27,370
So that might be a perfect opportunity.

1528
02:11:27,690 --> 02:11:31,110
So maybe I'll get together with Phyllis and we can come up with something that we can

1529
02:11:31,110 --> 02:11:35,870
send over and see that it just kicks in my idea to pick the brains of economic development.

1530
02:11:35,870 --> 02:11:45,830
And we did do a, I wouldn't call it a plan, but it was with Northwest Cog, jointly, so

1531
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:46,030
it.

1532
02:11:46,110 --> 02:11:46,910
That was broadband.

1533
02:11:47,370 --> 02:11:48,310
Was that the strategic?

1534
02:11:48,610 --> 02:11:49,090
No, no, no.

1535
02:11:49,090 --> 02:11:50,910
That was a Governor's economic blueprint.

1536
02:11:51,190 --> 02:11:51,690
Oh, okay.

1537
02:11:51,750 --> 02:11:52,730
Thank you.

1538
02:11:52,830 --> 02:11:53,370
Very much.

1539
02:11:53,510 --> 02:11:54,790
The Governor's economic blueprint.

1540
02:11:55,110 --> 02:11:55,310
Yeah.

1541
02:11:55,430 --> 02:11:58,030
So we can look back to that and see what we're going to do.

1542
02:11:58,030 --> 02:11:59,590
And I'll check the, I'll check, talk with you.

1543
02:11:59,730 --> 02:11:59,830
Yeah.

1544
02:11:59,910 --> 02:12:01,030
Separately most innocent and over.

1545
02:12:01,150 --> 02:12:05,070
And then I'll get in touch with the city's rep to, who I don't know who it is.

1546
02:12:05,070 --> 02:12:08,290
and they don't come and they need to be more involved so we'll see if we can't

1547
02:12:08,290 --> 02:12:12,210
kick that in. But I just got this from Rachel. So I'm not from you from Rachel

1548
02:12:12,210 --> 02:12:20,310
and I live in Fescar. We're Rachel's. I found those Rachel's. Okay. Okay. Good good

1549
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:26,690
reports. Is Ernie further business before we go into executive session?

1550
02:12:28,990 --> 02:12:29,210
Do you

1551
02:12:29,210 --> 02:12:32,130
want to take a break? Well we can go into executive session and then go into

1552
02:12:32,130 --> 02:12:48,190
So I'd accept the motion to go into a special meeting and executive session for the purpose of personnel, county attorney performance review, and negotiations both pursuant to color

1553
02:12:48,190 --> 02:12:53,670
four other revised steps, 24-6-4024F.

1554
02:12:54,010 --> 02:12:54,730
So moved.

1555
02:12:55,970 --> 02:12:56,390
Second.

1556
02:12:57,770 --> 02:13:01,250
Okay, it's been moved and seconded to go into executive session.