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good evening i'd like to call the

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december 15 2020

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meeting to order for the pittsburgh

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commission please join me in the flag

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salute

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of the united states of america and to

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the republic for which it stands

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one nation under god indivisible with

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liberty

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uh this is a special meeting because

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it's not on a regular night so we don't

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do necessarily public inputs but i see

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pastor chambers is here if you'd like to

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come forward

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thank you honorable mayor commissioners

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may we pray holy father we come tonight

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and then this season of hope

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season of peace and joy and love and

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we are looking so much for the light

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that you have to shed for us and

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we thank you for this commission and for

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our city leaders

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appointed and all the public safety

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people and all the other people that

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work for the city for all the

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wonderful things that they do bless us

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all during this pandemic time

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keep us safe help us to

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do the right thing be smart be wise

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and bless the decisions that are made

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tonight here in our commission meeting

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and i ask you to

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let your spirit guide all and it all

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will lead tonight in

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peace and harmony father we left this

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prayer for you

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amen thank you sir and a very merry

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christmas and a happy new year to all of

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y'all and the same of you thank you

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all right at this point i would like to

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invite

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nancy evans to come forward and if her

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family wants to join her up here

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for safety and numbers

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already

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all right well this is a this is a great

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day for boys it's a sad day but a good

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day

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for those of us at community health um

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from the office of the mayor

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whereas pittsburgh native and lifetime

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resident nancy evans

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attended nursing school at pittsburg

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state university graduating in

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1984 and whereas nancy dedicated her

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nursing career to ensuring that all

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individuals in pittsburgh and the

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surrounding areas had access to quality

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healthcare

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delivered with compassion and whereas

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nancy worked for mount carmel regional

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medical center

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and was the first employee of community

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health center of southeast kansas in

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2003

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and whereas while at community health

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she was responsible

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for the startup of the first volunteer

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dental clinic in the community at wesley

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house

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was instrumental in the formation of

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community health immunization program

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personally vaccinating thousands of

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adults and children at flu clinics

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and through outreach to schools across

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ensure that thousands of individuals

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have access

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to critically needed prescriptions by

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helping them navigate

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medicare part d her favorite part and

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assistance

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programs and led the way when back when

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the vaccine to prevent cervical cancer

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was introduced taking it to high schools

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and colleges throughout the area

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and whereas nancy was the first american

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academy

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of diabetes educators certified diabetic

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educator in the region

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and worked one-on-one and through group

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with thousands of diabetics to improve

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their health and whereas nancy is

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retiring

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on december 31 2020 from a career

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that led to improved health for all

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residents in our community

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now therefore i don mcnay mayor of the

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city of pittsburgh

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kansas do hereby proclaim tuesday

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december 15

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2020 as nancy evans day

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i know a whole day but it's at the end

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and call upon all citizens to recognize

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nancy

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as we express our sincere appreciation

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and gratitude in honoring her

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for her outstanding service

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please join me in congratulating nancy

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greatly honored and appreciate this

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recognition that was very nice and very

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unexpected so

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thank you

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all right moving on reorganization of

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the board of commissioners

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um i item a mayor elected for members of

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the governing board

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is there a nomination or emotion from

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the floor for mayor

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i'd like to make a motion to elect

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electric

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mancell mayor for the next year i second

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that

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all those in favor say aye aye opposed

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same sign

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motion carries okay

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i do solemnly swear i do solemnly or

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that i will support the constitution of

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the united states

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that i will support the constitution of

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the united states and the constitution

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of the state of kansas

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and the constitution of the state of

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kansas and faithfully discharge the

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duties of

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mayor of mayor or the city of pittsburg

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kansas

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for the city of pittsford kansas so help

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me god

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all right uh i like to present

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i don't know where it's at

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as i was saying i like to present a

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ceremonial gavel

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to outgoing mayor dawn mcnay

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and thank her for her dedication hard

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work and the commitment she had

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the last year for the city of pittsburgh

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very good job don

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thank you very much

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moving on we need to take a

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nomination for the next president of the

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board of commissioners

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elected by members of the governing body

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i make a motion that cheryl brooks

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be appointed or elected to the next

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president of the border a second

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it's been moved in second all in favor

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say aye all opposed same sign

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thank you congratulations thank you

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i do solemnly swear i do solemnly swear

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that i will support the constitution of

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the united states that i will support

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the constitution of the united states

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and the constitution of the state of

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kansas and the constitution of the state

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of kansas

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and faithfully discharge the duties and

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faithfully discharge the duties the

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president of the board of commissioners

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of president of the board of

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commissioners for the city of pittsburgh

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pittsburg kansas so help me god so help

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me god congratulations thank you

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moving on to the consent agenda are

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there any items to be removed for

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ask for a motion to prove the consent

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excluding item e and f so move

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high second roll call vote

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yes yes all right on the consent agenda

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we have a approval of november 24th 2020

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city commission meetings minutes

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item b approval of staff recommendation

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to designate

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harris bank community national bank

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commerce bank equip equity bank

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gn bank lebet bank and landmark bank

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as official city depositories item c

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approve approval staff recommendation to

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designate the morning sun as the

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official city newspaper item d

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approval of the 2021 dues to the

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league of municipalities in the amount

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of nine thousand

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forty five dollars and seven cents

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of item g approval of staff

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requests to waive the city purchase

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policy

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requirement for formal sale bids

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to purchase one new 2021 ford escar

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escort sport ecosport

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s four-wheel drive for use by the public

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utilities facility maintenance

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division through the local dealership of

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mike carpino

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ford in the amount of twenty two

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thousand five hundred dollars

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and to authorize the insurance of the

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necessary purchase

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requisition item h

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approval of change order number one

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reflecting an

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increase of thirteen thousand twenty two

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dollars and seventy seven

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cents making a new contract

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construction amount of one hundred

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ninety two thousand

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and final payment in the amount of forty

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four thousand

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five hundred sixty dollars and eighty

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to heger construction company inc of

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pittsburgh for the 2020 service

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preservation project

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item i approval of final payment to pro

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inc of el dorado kansas in the amount of

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727 and 54 cents

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for the 2020 asphalt rejuvenation

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item j approval of staff recommendation

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to accept the consent and

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acknowledgement of assignments for

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rights

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to payments related to creekside east

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housing development as representatives

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of turnkey developers

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llc have assigned their rights to

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payments

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as well as infrastructure development

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from economic development advisory

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to be paid directly to the bank of

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commerce

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until their loan is satisfied and

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authorized to mail the mayor to sign

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the consent and acknowledgement of

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assignment documents

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on behalf of the city adam k

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approval of staff recommendation to

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reappoint tom

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spurgeon to a third three-year term

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effective january 1st

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2021 and concluding

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on december 31 2023 to appoint

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and to appoint elizabeth may smith to an

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unexpired term effective immediately

300
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and concluding on december 31st 2020

301
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as members of the land bank of trustees

302
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item l approval

303
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,840
of staff recommendation to reappoint

304
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,360
denise fitzpatrick

305
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,640
and james triplett to a second two-year

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term and to appoint andrew

307
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,159
ogelnet nancy scott and george weeks

308
00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:02,400
to two the first two-year terms as

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members of the sustainability advisory

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00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,000
committee

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effective january 1st 2021 and to

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conclude

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on december 31st 2020

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item m approved approval staff

315
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recommendation to reappoint

316
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,240
pam henderson mike blue arc

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andrea stefanoni to a second four-year

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terms

319
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as members of the memorial auditorium

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advisory board

321
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,640
effectively january 1st 2021 and to

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conclude

323
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on december 31st 2024

324
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item in approval staff recommendation to

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appoint

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00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:42,320
deborah anthony aaron fletcher

327
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,840
and leah gagon to first four-year terms

328
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,679
as member of the active

329
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transportation advisory board effective

330
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,279
january 1st 2021 and concluding

331
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on december 31st 2024

332
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approval of itemo approval of staff

333
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,440
recommendation to appoint matthew

334
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,880
kazowara to fill an unexpired term

335
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,559
as a member of the airport advisory

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00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,960
committee effective immediately

337
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,200
and concluding on december 31st 2022

338
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,919
item p approval of staff recommendation

339
00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:16,960
to reappoint

340
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,320
paul chapel building contractor brian

341
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,120
coombs

342
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,399
engineer shannon nicholas mechanical

343
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:26,799
to second three-year terms and to

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00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,240
appoint melissa

345
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,760
bo richardson architect to a first

346
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,919
three-year term as members of the

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building code board of appeals building

348
00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:36,960
trades

349
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,880
review board effective january 1 2021

350
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,440
and to conclude on december 31 2023

351
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,559
adam q approval of staff recommendations

352
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,360
to reappoint pal michaels to a second

353
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,240
three-year term

354
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,080
as a member of the planning commission

355
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,159
board of zoning appeals

356
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:59,200
effective january 1st 2021 and

357
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,279
concluding on december 31st

358
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:04,799
2023 item r approval of

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00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,799
appropriation ordinance for the period

360
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,960
ending december 15

361
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,120
2020 subject to the release of hub

362
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,320
expenditures

363
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,679
when funds are received wrote all right

364
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:18,799
going back to item e

365
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,200
approval of applications submitted by

366
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,880
dollar general store

367
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,039
number eight eighteen 856

368
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,240
820 west 4th street dollar general

369
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:30,880
stores

370
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,240
number 13065 204

371
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,480
south ralph's dollar general store

372
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,279
number 3785

373
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:44,080
28 2810 north broadway commodore berry

374
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,679
corporation knights of columbus 407

375
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:52,159
east 11th street aldi number 89

376
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:56,840
3109 north broadway walgreens number

377
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,880
09049 1911 north broadway

378
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,120
horton's pizza plus 1601 east 4th street

379
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840
main street axe company two licensed one

380
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,799
for consumption

381
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:11,840
one on the premises and one not for

382
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,480
consumption

383
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,840
on the premise premises at

384
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,360
216 south broadway pit stop

385
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,799
1902 south joplin

386
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,480
dylan's 2600 north broadway

387
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,120
and snack attack 1101 east 4th street to

388
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,399
sell serial malt

389
00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:33,440
beverages for the year 2021

390
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,360
and direct the city clerk to issue the

391
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,110
license

392
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,559
i forget who tells me

393
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,399
is any of these places have they been in

394
00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:46,320
violation of underage

395
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,559
selling at all no not that we've ever

396
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,799
had any reports on these are primarily

397
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:51,120
um

398
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,120
retail establishments okay uh not bars

399
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,880
or drinking establishments

400
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,600
a lot of times you'll see kids will try

401
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,039
to go in and buy

402
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:00,960
with a fake id so that's why i was just

403
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,200
wondering yes and periodically the abc

404
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,559
will come and do spot checks

405
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,519
um so we don't have any records of these

406
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,120
retail establishments having violations

407
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,720
for underage drinking or

408
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,440
sales to minors okay i moved to approve

409
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,080
e

410
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:22,870
is there a second

411
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,480
all opposed same sign item f

412
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,960
approval of staff request to use up to

413
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,840
40 000

414
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,159
in funds from the pittsburgh public

415
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:33,200
library building

416
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,320
annually to replace the city

417
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,159
the drive sprinkler system at the

418
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:39,679
library

419
00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:41,279
mayor commissioners i'd be i'm deb

420
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:42,799
clarkson director of the pittsburgh

421
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,880
public library i'd be happy to try to

422
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,039
answer any questions you may have

423
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,279
i bet my mind isn't isn't really a

424
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:50,960
question because i'm i'm pretty familiar

425
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,519
with these

426
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,640
fire suppression systems forty thousand

427
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,919
dollars and i know a lot of people are

428
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:57,120
watching this on home

429
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,840
forty thousand dollars is a lot of money

430
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,519
but it's not a lot of money for a fire

431
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:02,640
suppression system

432
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,640
and a dry system is even more money than

433
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960
the wit system

434
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,279
my point is that we have that i'm aware

435
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:10,000
of

436
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,600
at least two buildings in town that are

437
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,600
really good solid buildings

438
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,640
that they're going to need they're going

439
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,399
to need repair but what's going to

440
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:16,960
happen to

441
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,919
them more than likely very very likely

442
00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:21,279
is they're going to get torn down

443
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,440
at the citizens expense and what's going

444
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,360
to cause them to get tore down is

445
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,720
the the unability and the inability to

446
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,799
afford the fire suppression system and i

447
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,640
think as a city and as citizens we need

448
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,240
to find a way to

449
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,000
do something about this i'm not saying

450
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,360
not doing it i'm not saying that at all

451
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,440
the fire suppression system is great

452
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,440
there's very little competition with it

453
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,159
and it's very expensive to do

454
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:47,519
you can spend 100 125 000 real easily in

455
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,240
a fairly large building and so i

456
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,000
think the 40 000 is a really good good price for dry

457
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,240
system and uh and i support what you're

458
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,720
doing

459
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,000
but i just wanted to bring people's

460
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,760
attention what a price this

461
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,760
is and some really nice historic

462
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,039
buildings at least one

463
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:04,720
i'm really sure is going to come down at

464
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,640
the citizens expense that's what's going

465
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,600
to happen so

466
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,279
i'm glad it's happening and i just

467
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:10,799
wanted to bring that up okay

468
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,720
another question for you larry why why

469
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,080
would that be

470
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,039
a citizen's expense because what happens

471
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:18,159
is these buildings

472
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:20,000
get turned back into the land bank or

473
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,840
whatever and when you look at the cost

474
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,279
i looked at a building that's a good

475
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:24,880
solid building the building itself is

476
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,519
solid

477
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,120
and you can buy it at a fair price but

478
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,279
it needs a roof and roofs about

479
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:32,720
70 thousand uh it needs 60 windows which

480
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,559
is about 60 thousand

481
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,399
heating air plumbing is going to be

482
00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:38,159
expensive but the fire suppression by

483
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:41,440
itself in this one building is 241 000

484
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,320
well my thoughts are on why would that

485
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,159
be the citizen's expense

486
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:47,919
it's it's not a citizen's expense to do

487
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:49,600
it because the bill it won't be done

488
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,919
nobody can afford will justify that kind

489
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,919
of money so what happens is the building

490
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,159
gets tore down at the citizens expense

491
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:57,360
it gets turned over to the city

492
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,200
county it's turned over the county and

493
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,640
we've had it happen at least three times

494
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,640
in the last two years that i'm aware of

495
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,240
and there's a couple more that's on that

496
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,159
road to help well

497
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:09,119
my concern is the property owner of the

498
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:09,760
building

499
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,679
if he lets it get in that state of

500
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,639
disrepair that it needs to be tore down

501
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,879
we have an ordinance that says that he

502
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:18,639
must maintain that property

503
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,879
if he doesn't if he doesn't then the

504
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,960
city can tear it down at the citizen's

505
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:23,599
expense

506
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,320
and put that on his tax rule i'm sorry i

507
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,919
have a question about the actual agenda

508
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:29,200
item

509
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,200
on what which was the agenda item i have

510
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,639
a question on the agenda item

511
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,320
yes me bev you want to explain because

512
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,079
i'm not sure everyone understands

513
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,280
the funding for the library the annuity

514
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,240
sure the annuity actually dates back to

515
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:43,119
when the

516
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,399
library renovation occurred in 1997

517
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,079
and that's when the new part of the

518
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,399
building was added to the library

519
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:52,399
and at that time there were some

520
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:54,800
hairline fractures found in the stone

521
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,599
of the stone facade and the architects

522
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,359
were unhappy with that with the quality

523
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:00,480
of the stone

524
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,359
and the result was that the contractor's

525
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:04,560
insurance company

526
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,520
decided to purchase a deferred annuity

527
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:07,920
and

528
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,520
it would provide at that time it was 405

529
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,400
000

530
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,400
to replace the stone if needed in 2010.

531
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,200
um if when the mature when the annuity

532
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,079
matured

533
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,880
in 2010 they examined the stone uh there

534
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,400
was nothing wrong with it

535
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,720
so at that time the city commission

536
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,400
decided to

537
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,320
put that money aside and to use it for

538
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,560
any upkeep of the library building

539
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,000
such as this so this is not technically

540
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,079
taxpayer funds but money set aside to

541
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,109
protect the library

542
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:44,880
they are the questions on this agenda

543
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,640
item i moved to approve

544
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,599
second been moved to approve and second

545
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:49,839
it

546
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:52,720
all in favor say aye aye all opposed

547
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:53,680
same sign

548
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,800
thank you you're welcome chuck on

549
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,880
we don't have debtors prison you know so

550
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,880
if somebody gives up on a building

551
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,160
they don't pay their taxes there's

552
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,240
nothing you can do about it

553
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,000
the law protects that and you'll go

554
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,520
through three years of

555
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,280
not paying taxes and you can't do a

556
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,640
thing about it and during that three

557
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,280
years

558
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,880
the citizens of pittsburgh because you

559
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,800
have to make sure the building's secure

560
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,160
and i've seen this building the city

561
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,599
comes down they put up chain link fence

562
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,040
around it they put up

563
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,680
plywood on the windows and whoever comes

564
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,200
along and breaks the windows out and

565
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,160
kicks indoors

566
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,079
and it has to be redone again but since

567
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:27,599
we don't have debtors president i'm

568
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,119
certainly not saying we need them don't

569
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,560
misunderstand that

570
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,880
sometimes you'd like to but you have to

571
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,920
go through the system

572
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,160
and the law protects them so you go

573
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,079
through three years of non-paid taxes

574
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:39,760
and then the county takes it

575
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,040
and then the county ends up giving it to

576
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,960
the city of pittsburgh so now you're out

577
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,680
four years

578
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,760
and you spent money on on securing the

579
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,200
building trying to keep people out and

580
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,720
varmints out and what have you

581
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,000
and that deteriorates and it

582
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,240
deteriorates the neighborhood of places

583
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,000
and buildings and housing that's close

584
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
to them

585
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,280
and then you end up having to tear them

586
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,280
down well i understand what you're

587
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,320
saying larry but hopefully you

588
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,880
understand

589
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,040
if you own a piece of property and

590
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,800
you've made money on that property over

591
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,680
the years

592
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,839
and then it gets to a point where you

593
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:09,839
can't maintain it i don't feel like

594
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:12,000
the citizens should have to bear that

595
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,079
call there's nothing prevents that

596
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:15,440
person i understand what you're saying

597
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,440
but if you something that can be said

598
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,880
they can go bankrupt because

599
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,000
some of these old buildings don't pay

600
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,520
their way i've got one not paying its

601
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,240
way but uh

602
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,760
unfortunately my wife lets me make the

603
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,880
payments so but uh

604
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,000
so yeah but there's the law protects

605
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,480
them

606
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,680
you know that's federal you're not gonna

607
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,839
be able to change that and so these

608
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:36,320
buildings get deteriorated and they get

609
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,079
so bad that it they have to be secured

610
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:39,599
they have to be taken care of

611
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,280
and they will end up coming down but

612
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,880
fire suppression is a big piece of it

613
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,320
you can afford a roof you can afford

614
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,920
some things that you can do yourself

615
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,920
but the fire suppression is one item

616
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,359
that is really pricey

617
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:51,359
and i give a bit of credit in those that

618
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:53,200
have the money for funding for this

619
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,960
because you know we got a wonderful

620
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,599
library and that's a good price for a

621
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,359
for fire to repair a fire suppression

622
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:01,680
system i think you're right larry that

623
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,800
this is an issue that we need to address

624
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,119
uh at maybe one of our study sessions

625
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,079
and get it resolved because it's we we

626
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:12,640
the city

627
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,880
wind up paying for a lot of these fire

628
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:15,760
suppression

629
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,640
uh installments so i think that's when

630
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,320
we should be

631
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,359
should come together and and brains

632
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:25,359
brainstorm and see if we can't get

633
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:26,880
something done about that

634
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,560
issue just a point um the mayor

635
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,359
is an ex-officio of the library board

636
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:34,079
and

637
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,000
i just want to give a shout out to matt

638
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,680
bacon because i know that there we've

639
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:38,960
had several

640
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,640
opportunities for matt to help the

641
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,480
library and

642
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,560
that speaks very highly of your of your

643
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,400
expertise and your willingness so thank

644
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,800
you matt

645
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,640
all right and we've approved that and

646
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,800
moving on right

647
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,720
consider the following appointments

648
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,079
memorial auditorium

649
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:58,560
advisory board consider staff

650
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,079
recommendation to appoint two

651
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:01,359
individuals

652
00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:03,599
to memorial auditorium advisory board

653
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:04,800
and one individual

654
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,680
filling an unexpired term effectively

655
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,560
immediately

656
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,400
and concluding on december 31st 2022

657
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,640
and the other individual filling a first

658
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,240
term effective january 1st

659
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:20,240
2021 and concluding on december

660
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:24,400
31st 2024 good evening

661
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,720
congratulations mr mayor thank you

662
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,160
commissioners we have

663
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,160
two vacancies we have three individuals

664
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,079
that have applied i've invited them here

665
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:33,760
tonight to talk a little bit about their

666
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,599
interest in the advisory board position

667
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,119
can i ask you a question before we do

668
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,520
that are is a memorial auditorium open

669
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,800
to the public

670
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,640
we are hosting a few small events right

671
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,240
now good deal thank you

672
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,760
absolutely with your permission i'll

673
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,920
invite them up so briefly

674
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:55,430
cooper would you like to come forward

675
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,760
good evening my name is cooper neal i'm

676
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,680
the band and orchestra

677
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,960
uh teacher at pittsburgh high school

678
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,319
um i've i've been a part of of

679
00:40:06,319 --> 00:40:09,359
many different productions um

680
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:12,960
uh with theater at memorial auditorium

681
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,560
um and the the relationship with

682
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,599
memorial goes back a long way

683
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,800
and i'm very interested in thinking

684
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,680
creatively

685
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,640
about ways that that building can

686
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,079
continue to be

687
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,920
used hence my application

688
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,829
thank you thank you cooper

689
00:40:36,839 --> 00:40:43,430
seth

690
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,160
say good evening hope i'm tall enough to

691
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:46,880
hear me

692
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,200
uh my name is seth harley and i've been

693
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,319
a resident of

694
00:40:50,319 --> 00:40:53,839
pittsburgh for 11 years now i teach

695
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:55,920
elementary music and theater at front

696
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,599
neck for the junior high high school

697
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,160
and the first time i set foot on uh

698
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,319
memorial stage was 24 years ago and i've

699
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:04,079
been doing community theater and ballet

700
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:05,520
productions and

701
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:06,800
a lot of stuff with the community for a

702
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,560
long time so i'm very interested in the

703
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,119
building

704
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,280
and i think it's a i think it's a great

705
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,040
uh facility for this

706
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,440
community to have to have such a great

707
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,800
opportunity for the arts in this

708
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,000
community and i'm

709
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,760
very interested in finding ways to make

710
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,680
sure that it's uh it's a viable thing to

711
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,280
continue having in our future for

712
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,040
all of our community members and

713
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,720
everybody so thank you for your

714
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:27,680
consideration

715
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,750
thank you sir ginger

716
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,880
howdy again so

717
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,040
last time i came and submitted my

718
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,040
application i wore my lucky star wars

719
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,520
mask

720
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,400
that did not work in my favor last time

721
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:44,720
so

722
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,720
i wore my looking nintendo socks so

723
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:48,480
we'll see how this goes

724
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,319
but um i am ginger collie i'm the

725
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:52,319
director of sales for the hampton inn at

726
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:54,319
the kansas crossing casino

727
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:56,160
i've been there for three and a half

728
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,440
years uh

729
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,680
and so i've been making my way up

730
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,280
helping to support the community i personally have organized

731
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,240
and executed

732
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:07,359
over 300 similar groups and events

733
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:10,640
it's kind of what i my role is there

734
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,760
at the hotel um so

735
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,359
not only that but i do all of our social

736
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:16,880
media all of our

737
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,880
marketing advertisement all of our

738
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,400
corporate accounts all of our group

739
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:20,800
stuff

740
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,400
community relations community

741
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,720
volunteering and everything like that so

742
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,560
i think this is another way to use that

743
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,359
skill set um to help a community

744
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:32,240
i'm an avid theater goer and actually

745
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,839
chris and i have worked together

746
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:35,359
on several different projects and things

747
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:37,119
over the last three and a half years

748
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,160
so there's that as well and uh community

749
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:40,880
wise

750
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,200
with pct i've been in about three shows

751
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,000
on the tech side

752
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,720
and performance i've been in theater all

753
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,079
of my life

754
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:50,160
i was actually a equity candidate actor

755
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,079
in south florida for about 10 years

756
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:53,520
so i worked professionally doing that as

757
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,119
well so i understand

758
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,480
the creative side of the space but also

759
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,000
the requirements from a business

760
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,560
standpoint and so i think

761
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,960
that could really add some value um to

762
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,240
the events and possibility and

763
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,160
flexibility of the space there

764
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,560
and also i'm writing a new play that

765
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,520
maybe we can

766
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,520
perform there i don't know working on it

767
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,440
for seven years so we'll see

768
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,960
but um thank you so much for your time

769
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,480
tonight and it was great to see you all

770
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:18,960
again

771
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,060
congrats come here

772
00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:25,030
[Music]

773
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,230
please vote for two

774
00:43:28,240 --> 00:44:26,230
one for two one in each i got three people

775
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,520
all right we've selected the top

776
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,720
category ginger cauli

777
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,319
and super neal

778
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:38,160
so congratulations and i think you need

779
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,920
a motion and then yes

780
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,160
is there a motion can we do them both at

781
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,640
the same time or one

782
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,000
some of them do what he said

783
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,200
okay like a motion to appoint ginger

784
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,920
and cooper neil to the uh memorial

785
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,000
auditorium advisory board and and

786
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,040
the gender you've been selected for the

787
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,920
uh

788
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,839
unexpired term expiring in december 31st

789
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:05,200
2020 i take it

790
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,640
2022 22 22. 2022 yeah

791
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,920
excuse me and cooper you will

792
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,160
uh your term will expire 2024.

793
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,800
mr said that's straight so there's a mo

794
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,400
is there a motion

795
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,119
second that's it there's been a motion

796
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:23,760
in a second

797
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,800
all in favor say aye aye all right all

798
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,000
opposed same sign

799
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,960
i'd like to thank you cooper you ginger

800
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,520
and you

801
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,079
set for coming forward and showing the

802
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:34,800
interest in

803
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,280
and applying for these boards ginger you

804
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,920
said it before you you tried once

805
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,319
you didn't work out too well but thanks

806
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,079
for showing continued

807
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,920
interest in being a part of this and

808
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,359
my uh my comment to you seth try again

809
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:57,349
thank you thank you thank you

810
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:00,960
all right

811
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,079
consider the following item b

812
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,079
appointments planning zoning board of

813
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:07,760
zoning appeals

814
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,240
consider staff recommendation to appoint

815
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:11,680
one individual

816
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,880
to a first term effective january 1st

817
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,920
2021 and concluding

818
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,760
on december 31st 2023 as a member of the

819
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:22,880
planning zoning

820
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,760
board of appeals and plan planning

821
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:26,480
commission

822
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,000
board of zoning appeals yes we have

823
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,079
one opening remaining we have five

824
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:33,200
candidates

825
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,440
uh before i have those president come up

826
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,200
i was going to let you know

827
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,960
matthew casawara wanted to be here

828
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,119
but uh he was not able to attend because

829
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:44,720
he's getting ready to

830
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:46,560
travel for the holidays to see his

831
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,160
parents and so he had to go and

832
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,240
self-quarantine so he was not able to be

833
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:50,960
here

834
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,640
but won't let you know if it weren't for

835
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,920
that he would definitely be here and

836
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,520
he's very interested

837
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,400
and with that i'll have the candidates

838
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,560
come up and

839
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:18,069
talk about their desire to serve

840
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:21,680
my name is bob gilmore i'm retired

841
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,319
i was a member of i'm a retired plumber

842
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:27,119
i've been a plumber for over 50 years

843
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,760
and i currently serve on the county's

844
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,559
planning and zoning

845
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,480
i have served on the city of pittsburgh

846
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,559
planning and zoning in the past

847
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,680
and for just under 10 years i worked for

848
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,559
the city

849
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:43,200
of pittsburgh in the building inspection

850
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,319
department

851
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:47,440
so i dealt with the planning and zoning

852
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,520
for many years before i went to work for

853
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,040
the city i was on the planning and

854
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,240
zoning board

855
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,960
so i think i know a lot about the board

856
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,270
and

857
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,440
being retired i'm interested to stay and

858
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,079
act even keeping my

859
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:03,680
ears of the ground and seeing what's

860
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,280
going on so i figured

861
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,119
this would be a good spot to get back

862
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,880
onto the board

863
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,790
thank you bob

864
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,319
honorable mayor city commission i'm

865
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:21,680
mike hanika and uh i've been in the

866
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,160
community for

867
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,400
15 years and i've been in construction

868
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,240
most of my adult life and

869
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,440
currently owned my own company of

870
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,760
uh i do construction estimating and

871
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,960
takeoffs and i also do

872
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,319
uh foam slab lifting which is

873
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:50,720
excuse me my mask is and uh

874
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,480
my desire to be on the planning

875
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,079
commission is just

876
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:57,440
it kind of relates back to a story where

877
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,839
my wife and i first moved here she's a

878
00:49:00,839 --> 00:49:02,720
lifelong

879
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:06,950
pittsburgh resident but

880
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,160
i was from a larger city topeka

881
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,280
and i just wanted to get away and

882
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,119
we moved away for six months and

883
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,440
you don't know what you have until you

884
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,880
don't have it anymore

885
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,240
and so we moved back about

886
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:27,680
six months to a year later and

887
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,640
i want to be part of the community and

888
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,400
do my civic

889
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,119
service by helping i think i have the

890
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:41,440
knowledge and creative ability to

891
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,160
help the city grow towards the future

892
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:44,960
and

893
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,359
for the president as well so thank you

894
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:55,190
mike thank you

895
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,000
good evening mayor commissioners and

896
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:58,880
congratulations

897
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,079
chuck thank you cheryl my name is tim

898
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:02,480
bell

899
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,920
i live at 310 webster i'd like to thank

900
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:06,800
you all for

901
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,079
giving me the opportunity to address you

902
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:10,400
tonight i am here seeking

903
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,839
consideration for appointment for the

904
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:13,839
board of zoning and appeals planning

905
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:14,880
commission

906
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,720
give you a little bit of history uh i

907
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:18,160
moved here

908
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,680
you know over 40 years ago

909
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,480
1979 i moved down here for the purpose

910
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,520
of transferring from fort scott

911
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,760
community college to go to psu

912
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,119
um things happened

913
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:34,720
uh went to work for a local contractor

914
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,760
um decided i liked that better than

915
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,000
going to school so i stuck with that

916
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,079
and it worked out all right uh stayed in

917
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:43,520
the construction field for

918
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,079
many years and and building maintenance

919
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,440
and eventually

920
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,920
hired on with the city of pittsburgh in

921
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,520
1999 as as a

922
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,520
building maintenance did more building

923
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,359
than actual maintenance

924
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:58,480
um some of the projects that i was kind

925
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,440
of proud of was

926
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,800
the renovation of the old uh commission

927
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,319
meeting room and chuck you've got to

928
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:06,160
remember that and patrick you probably

929
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,200
do too

930
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,319
um the uh

931
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:13,359
parks and rec lincoln center you know

932
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:15,119
renovated that

933
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,160
and then also uh the

934
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,839
airport the big mill hangar out there

935
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:26,800
so just kind of that was kind of my building experience and getting

936
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,040
involved with that in 2004 i was hired

937
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,880
on as a building inspector

938
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,440
and then left the city in 2015 as a

939
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,680
building official

940
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,839
served on board of directors for heart

941
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:41,200
of america chapter for building

942
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,880
officials

943
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,119
presently i'm still a member of the hoa

944
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,640
the heart of america chapter

945
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,880
and also the icc the international code

946
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,589
council

947
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,160
during my time with building services i

948
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,440
was afforded opportunity to meet and

949
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,520
work with a lot of really nice people

950
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,319
who made my job very enjoyable as you

951
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:03,200
know most

952
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,440
public positions it's not always

953
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,880
glorious

954
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,480
and sometimes a few people aren't so

955
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,079
nice uh

956
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:11,760
but i've tried to always see their side

957
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,920
of the argument and i like to think

958
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,680
uh it is a thorough discussion of both

959
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:18,000
sides

960
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,440
rather than an argument regardless i

961
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,040
felt my job

962
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,960
like yours was to serve public's best

963
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,240
interest

964
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,319
and mine more specifically was

965
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:29,440
concerning fire

966
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,440
life safety while working the public

967
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,240
regarding

968
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,400
building permits was most always a

969
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,160
discussion with reference to zoning

970
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,000
regulations

971
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,720
building line setbacks whether it's

972
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:43,839
pertaining to building

973
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:45,839
or zoning district regulations building

974
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:49,200
line setbacks accessibility

975
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,960
requirements parking signage proposed

976
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,359
building use or possibly even a variance

977
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:54,319
request

978
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:58,710
or particular for a particular project

979
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,400
i was most often very much involved in

980
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,920
conveying information to public about

981
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,480
zoning regulations and standards

982
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,040
and what options may be available if

983
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,559
their plans conflicted with those

984
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,510
regulations

985
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,359
i believe it's important for the

986
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:15,119
betterment of the community

987
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:20,710
that we have regulations and standards

988
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,800
and that they protect property owners

989
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,240
investments

990
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,240
as an established property owner myself

991
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:27,280
i want to assure

992
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,839
that mine as well as my neighbor's

993
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:30,720
investment

994
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,079
is protected from conflicts of use

995
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,040
that may misalign from my neighborhood

996
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:37,440
or

997
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,440
a project you know determine

998
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,800
predetermined model of the neighborhood

999
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,520
as stated earlier we do need to have

1000
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,160
options

1001
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,800
or exceptions to the rule every case

1002
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,160
should be explained in a fair and

1003
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,280
equitable manner

1004
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,240
consideration for exception should be

1005
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:54,880
based on

1006
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,440
proposed use and the direct effects to

1007
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:58,559
the neighborhood

1008
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,359
and the community as a whole i feel that

1009
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:02,559
my

1010
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,040
i feel that i am the right candidate for

1011
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,240
a position that requires an

1012
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,079
understanding of code language

1013
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,000
ability to comprehend building site

1014
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,079
plans provide attention to details

1015
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:15,680
and the ability to make just decisions

1016
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,800
when revolving challenges or challenging

1017
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,280
cases

1018
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,000
and or unusual circumstances based on my

1019
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,599
previous experiences former building

1020
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:25,200
inspector building official and as

1021
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,680
private building contractor

1022
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,440
all would allow me to contribute this

1023
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,760
committee as an informed member

1024
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,920
and serve in a professional unbiased

1025
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,119
manner

1026
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:36,799
i thank you for your time and appreciate

1027
00:54:36,799 --> 00:54:38,160
your consideration in filling this

1028
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:38,799
position

1029
00:54:38,799 --> 00:54:47,990
thank you guys thank you tim

1030
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,799
good union mayor commissioners my name

1031
00:54:50,799 --> 00:54:51,440
is martin

1032
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,160
dickinson i'm a lifelong resident of

1033
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,839
pittsford

1034
00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:59,839
work history includes 13 plus years at

1035
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:01,200
mcnally pittsburgh in

1036
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,839
electrical engineering department and

1037
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:04,640
job site

1038
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,370
construction over union

1039
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:09,359
[Music]

1040
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:11,040
multiple years 10 plus years with the

1041
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,680
city of pittsburgh

1042
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,720
now i'm a small business owner

1043
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:21,359
invested in an interest in pittsburgh i

1044
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:23,440
want to see the city grow but in a

1045
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,309
proper manner

1046
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:31,359
i believe i can bring good value to the

1047
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:32,480
board

1048
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,480
and appreciate your consideration for

1049
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,319
this position

1050
00:55:36,319 --> 00:56:25,109
thank you mark

1051
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:28,000
all right congratulations martin is

1052
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,359
there a

1053
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:32,640
motion to a point i i make that motion

1054
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,839
a bit of motion and a second second

1055
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:37,680
motion is second to approve martin

1056
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,200
dickerson to the bonus

1057
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,359
board of zoning appeals and planning

1058
00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:42,400
commission

1059
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,960
all in favor say aye aye all right i'll

1060
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,160
pull the same sign

1061
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,839
once again guys my tim

1062
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:53,119
matthew well matthew wasn't here uh mark

1063
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,440
but martin anyway i just want to tell

1064
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,480
you guys

1065
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,319
that all of our boards are very

1066
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:00,240
important to us as commissioned because

1067
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:02,000
we take advice

1068
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,880
and from each and every board this board

1069
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:05,359
to me

1070
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:07,680
is very very important uh to the city of

1071
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:08,640
pittsburgh

1072
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,200
and i just want to say to me any one of

1073
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,799
you guys

1074
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:14,079
could have been on that board

1075
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:16,000
unfortunately we only had uh

1076
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,319
one position to fill because you have a

1077
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:20,079
wealth of knowledge and experience

1078
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,960
that would benefit that board all i can

1079
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:23,280
say

1080
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,599
is hey reapply next time there's an

1081
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:27,359
opening and thanks for your

1082
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:32,870
interest in it thank you all

1083
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,160
consider following item c

1084
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,880
request to change zoning considering

1085
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,799
consider the recommendation

1086
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:43,280
of planning and commission board of

1087
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,720
zoning appeals

1088
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,880
to approve the request submitted by

1089
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,400
sherry mendez

1090
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,599
to to change existing zoning

1091
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:54,400
a property located at 102 east 16th

1092
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,200
street from

1093
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,720
our 1c single family residence

1094
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,760
to cp 2 plan general commercial to allow

1095
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,839
a parking lot to be construction

1096
00:58:06,839 --> 00:58:08,799
reconstructed

1097
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:10,640
all right thank you uh we had the

1098
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,720
request uh

1099
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,200
the property here's the first property

1100
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,440
in yellow right behind uh

1101
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,000
the corner of the mendez's business

1102
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:20,720
there

1103
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,599
it's outside of 16th street they own

1104
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:25,760
that property they have

1105
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,559
demoed that house what they're planning

1106
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:29,920
on doing with that is after it gets

1107
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,920
rezoned is to expand their parking lot

1108
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,440
because their business is

1109
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,119
being so successful with that

1110
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:39,440
came before the planning commission and

1111
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,760
it was approved unanimously

1112
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:47,109
to recommend that it be rezoned

1113
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:53,190
any questions about this

1114
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,839
second then move approved by don second

1115
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:57,440
invite patrick all in favor

1116
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,040
say aye aye aye i'll tell the same sign

1117
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,559
thank you thank you item d

1118
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:06,799
modification to fire department rescue

1119
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:08,680
seven persons

1120
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,240
specific specification

1121
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,040
considering staff recommendation to

1122
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,160
remove the pump

1123
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,240
tank hose and all other associated items

1124
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,480
from the specifications of a new rescue

1125
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,720
unit and use these funds saved by making

1126
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,400
this modification

1127
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,319
to purchase other equipment that will

1128
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:30,079
directly support the fire department's

1129
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:31,280
rescue

1130
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,270
capabilities

1131
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,000
mr mayor congratulations commission

1132
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:38,720
thank you for

1133
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,799
allowing me some time on the agenda

1134
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:42,559
we're seeking approval to remove the

1135
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:43,520
pump

1136
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,079
and the associated associated items from

1137
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,000
the new rescue 7

1138
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,440
we've looked at you know laws

1139
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,119
regulations i've talked with the

1140
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:53,040
director of public utilities

1141
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,640
and the police department we feel that

1142
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,640
we have an alternative means

1143
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,119
to clean highways that are more in line

1144
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:00,079
with best business

1145
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,960
practices and environmental regulations

1146
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:03,599
we don't see

1147
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,960
any operational problems removing the

1148
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:07,520
pump

1149
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,359
and we have identified some equipment

1150
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,119
that would greatly enhance

1151
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:12,799
the fire department's capabilities of

1152
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:14,240
rescue incidents

1153
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,200
so our intention would be to take funds

1154
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,280
saved from the pump tank and associated

1155
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,079
items

1156
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:21,760
and use that on the equipment that we've

1157
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,599
identified as

1158
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,240
you know significantly important to us

1159
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,079
well i have several questions about

1160
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:31,440
this yes sir and i'm just going to read

1161
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,040
a memo the background the primary intent

1162
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,119
of the pump on a rescue vehicle was to

1163
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,680
allow fire department to wash down

1164
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,799
accident scenes this practice is not

1165
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:44,319
keeping with the best

1166
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:47,200
business practices of the fire service

1167
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,359
and raises questions of compliance with

1168
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:52,400
current environmental standards

1169
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,079
and regulation after con consulting with

1170
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:57,920
the police chief and director of public

1171
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,359
utilities

1172
01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:02,079
an attorney method of removing oil gas

1173
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,240
antifreeze and other

1174
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,680
roadway hazard has been agreed upon thus

1175
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,040
eliminating the need of the pump

1176
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,400
on this vehicle what what are the other

1177
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,040
means

1178
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,880
to uh to do away with

1179
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,119
the gas antifreeze and transmission

1180
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:21,920
fluid yeah

1181
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,799
fire apparatus will carry oil dry and

1182
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:26,240
they already carried

1183
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,960
rooms and shovels regulations allow us

1184
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,960
to dispose of up to 200 pounds of

1185
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,720
contaminated oil dry

1186
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,799
from any one incident anything that

1187
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:36,640
exceeds the 200 pounds

1188
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,319
i've talked with the public utilities

1189
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:40,480
director we'll be able to contact them

1190
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,880
and they will come out with sand and

1191
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:43,839
equipment and then

1192
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:45,920
they can dispose of it in accordance

1193
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,280
with their regulations

1194
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,880
so they could do that if we didn't

1195
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,640
remove the pump and firefighting

1196
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,319
apparatus from this truck

1197
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:54,720
they could still do that they could by

1198
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,880
small but smaller spills we would be

1199
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,400
able to handle ourselves

1200
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,480
well my uh

1201
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,400
my question is we don't buy fire trucks

1202
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,640
that often in the city of pittsburgh

1203
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,240
because we're a small city

1204
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,400
now i know large cities can buy numerous

1205
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,640
pieces of apparatus

1206
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,440
what are we going to do with it i'll

1207
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,119
continue on with what i want to say and

1208
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:21,440
then i'll ask you about

1209
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,280
but when we can't afford to buy a piece

1210
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,520
of apparatus we need to get the best

1211
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,799
bang for our buck and in my

1212
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:31,839
opinion is we need to leave the pump on

1213
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:33,119
that truck

1214
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:37,990
because we use it several times

1215
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,039
more than just as a wash down we use it

1216
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:43,520
and that truck is typically smaller than

1217
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:44,880
any piece of apparatus

1218
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,920
that we have and we use it in places

1219
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:48,880
where

1220
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,359
we can't get a large piece of apparatus

1221
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:53,599
we use it on dumpster fires in alleyways

1222
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,920
that we might not be able to reach

1223
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,640
uh with a large piece of apparatus we

1224
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,799
use it on grass fires

1225
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:03,200
and i worked for the fire department for

1226
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,799
25 years

1227
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:06,559
and we didn't have a piece of apparatus

1228
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:08,720
like this that we will we did we had a

1229
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,599
uh

1230
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:14,079
a squad but that squad uh

1231
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:16,400
well you know it got old and re replace

1232
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,079
it but this piece apparatus

1233
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:20,880
i think with the current one we're going

1234
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,640
to be replacing

1235
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,880
that truck had the ability to fight

1236
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,160
grass fire

1237
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,880
not with uh with only the length of

1238
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,400
holes that it carried

1239
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,520
but that pump could be pumping water

1240
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,119
as we drove as the fire progressed

1241
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:40,319
so like i said you know i

1242
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:41,839
and you had did you have a committee

1243
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:43,680
that came up with the specs of this

1244
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,480
truck

1245
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,799
and they knew the needs of the citizens

1246
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:48,559
of pittsburgh

1247
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,599
and i think we handicap ourselves

1248
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:54,240
when we have not that often we can

1249
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,880
afford to buy a piece of apparatus

1250
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:01,839
that we need to be using it as a

1251
01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:04,240
bunch of different things not only as a

1252
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:04,960
wash down

1253
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,640
i i think that was i don't like that

1254
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,319
that's only used as a wash down because

1255
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:12,319
it's not it's used on grass fires it's

1256
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:14,000
used on dumpster fires

1257
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,280
at a car uh rescue if if

1258
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,559
the if that gas was to

1259
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:22,640
ignite it would be nice to have a pump

1260
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,440
that we could fight the fire with

1261
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,920
so like i said uh the committee that put

1262
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,440
this together

1263
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,880
you know they they felt to me uh

1264
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,920
they met the needs of what our city's

1265
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,200
size is

1266
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,280
we need a piece of apparatus that we can

1267
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,039
use on a

1268
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:42,559
bunch of different things that it's been

1269
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,720
used on if if we take the pump off

1270
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,720
basically you have a truck

1271
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,319
that's sitting in the in the apparatus

1272
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:52,400
bay that's only used for rescue

1273
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,119
and you know in larger departments

1274
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:56,079
that's fine

1275
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:58,960
but in larger cities that's fine but the

1276
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,280
city of our size we need to spend money

1277
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,119
on something that we can

1278
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:06,160
be multi-dimensional and i just do not

1279
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,760
agree with this decision

1280
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,160
yeah the original committee's request

1281
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,480
was for a truck without a pump

1282
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,559
and through several discussions they decided to put a pump back

1283
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:18,559
onto this truck so originally they

1284
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:20,240
wanted one without

1285
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:26,079
the other thing is that we have a 2017

1286
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:28,960
squad apparatus that is very very

1287
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,400
similar in size

1288
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,480
quite capable of filling all those roles

1289
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,319
that you discussed in terms of dumpster

1290
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:35,440
fires and

1291
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,359
lead fires we don't we do not have many

1292
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:42,079
running grass fires in this particular

1293
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:44,400
city the last running grass fire that

1294
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,520
the our agency responded to was

1295
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,680
about a year and a half ago and it was

1296
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:50,640
outside

1297
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,799
the city of limits as far as motor

1298
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:54,000
vehicle accidents

1299
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,240
the rescue always responds with an

1300
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,160
engine in conjunction

1301
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,000
so there's always that capability to

1302
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,760
provide fire suppression and fire

1303
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:02,720
support

1304
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,520
and in most vehicle accidents we put

1305
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:06,880
extinguishers out

1306
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,359
and we handle whatever fires come from

1307
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:10,000
that

1308
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,319
with our extinguishers as i said the

1309
01:06:12,319 --> 01:06:13,359
rescue will

1310
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:16,559
respond in conjunction with an engine

1311
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,200
anyhow because we need that type we need

1312
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,119
that level of staffing and opera

1313
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,200
and a vehicle accident so i hope that

1314
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,559
answers your question sir

1315
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,720
not really uh but you said we have

1316
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,359
another piece of apparatus that we use

1317
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:31,440
in that instance of where we can't get a

1318
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,280
large

1319
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,319
truck in uh for dumpster fires we do

1320
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:39,599
my thoughts are we always try to have a

1321
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,359
reserve truck

1322
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:44,640
and so we take the pump off this truck

1323
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,520
and the truck that we can use something

1324
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,280
happens to it then we don't have that

1325
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:50,079
truck anymore

1326
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:52,319
i just feel that the citizen would be

1327
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:53,839
better served

1328
01:06:53,839 --> 01:06:56,160
to have a truck that is capable of

1329
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,280
fighting fire

1330
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,680
in case the other one has a mechanical

1331
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,240
problem uh i don't know where the rest

1332
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:04,880
of you are

1333
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,039
on this but we can certainly hold the

1334
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:09,359
existing rescue seven and move it into a

1335
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:10,319
reserve status

1336
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:11,680
well that's what i was going to ask you

1337
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,760
next are we going to keep that truck are

1338
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,000
we going to try to sell it

1339
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,480
the option the options are available to

1340
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,319
us whichever direction we feel

1341
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:24,240
is best to move the current rescue 7 on

1342
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,079
the used market probably is not going to

1343
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:26,960
generate

1344
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,680
a tremendous amount of revenue there's

1345
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:30,640
just not

1346
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,039
that particular piece of equipment is

1347
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:34,160
very unique

1348
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,400
and it's just not a very large market to

1349
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:37,680
sell that piece

1350
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,400
so we could actually keep it in reserve

1351
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:40,720
and

1352
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,680
station it out at uh number three that

1353
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:44,480
way

1354
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,520
the current brush truck which is what we

1355
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:47,839
have

1356
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:50,319
is a brush truck that's stationed out at

1357
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:51,440
number two

1358
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,359
the old rescue seven could move out the

1359
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:55,039
station number three and we would have

1360
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:57,119
that as a reserve

1361
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:58,799
so i still i hear what you're saying but

1362
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:00,240
i still think the citizens

1363
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,039
would be better served to have a truck

1364
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:04,079
that has the pump

1365
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:06,400
and the capability of fighting fire

1366
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,160
because we don't buy trucks that often

1367
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,039
we can't afford to so i would make a

1368
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:12,720
motion that we

1369
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,599
go i have a lot of questions oh oh god

1370
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:16,000
yeah

1371
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,040
i was on a roll yeah you were there are

1372
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,799
you comfortable with this decision

1373
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:23,600
absolutely okay yeah i just like to

1374
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,239
reiterate

1375
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,040
the chief inherited these specs um i

1376
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,159
know he worked back through his

1377
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:29,920
organization

1378
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,600
one of the reasons we hired him was

1379
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,440
because he currently

1380
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:35,679
has been working in the fire service

1381
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:37,679
he's got some great experience

1382
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:39,920
and i appreciate the comments but i

1383
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,199
would hope that we would let the fire

1384
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:42,880
chief run the fire department

1385
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,359
and would support his recommendation

1386
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:46,560
we've been through it

1387
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,000
you asked how about the rest of the

1388
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,319
board thought about this chuck

1389
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:57,199
uh as far as i'm concerned

1390
01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:00,960
this proposal is brought to us

1391
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,960
by people who know more about this

1392
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,880
department

1393
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:09,440
than i do and as a result

1394
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:12,319
i think that if this is their decision

1395
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:13,839
this is what they need

1396
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:16,560
then i'm in favor of it well that's why

1397
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,319
i was against it because that was a

1398
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:19,920
recommendation to have a pump on the

1399
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,040
truck evidently

1400
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,279
and that got changed i thought it wasn't

1401
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:24,799
on the truck but then it was

1402
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:27,759
originally it was and there was i've

1403
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:29,120
talked with the apparatus committee

1404
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,880
about this extensively i've talked with

1405
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,359
the command staff about this extensively

1406
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:36,400
and i'm very comfortable saying that the

1407
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:37,440
staff

1408
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:39,520
is in agreement with me and would

1409
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,040
support this well that's all well and

1410
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,239
good and i can understand

1411
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:44,400
your conversation with the staff but to

1412
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,600
be honest with you

1413
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,520
i don't think the staff would say no

1414
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,279
we're not agree with the agreement with you so whatever

1415
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:52,080
your

1416
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,960
thoughts are i'm sure that's what they

1417
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:55,920
would agree to

1418
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,280
well i hope that the staff would be

1419
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:58,880
honest with me and offer their honest

1420
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,840
opinions and that's the way i

1421
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,440
i've come into this position that's the

1422
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:04,800
way i intend to lead

1423
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,040
leave the department certainly i you

1424
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,400
know i have the authority to make

1425
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,080
decisions at some point

1426
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,080
but i need honest input from the staff

1427
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,679
and that's why i've solicited

1428
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:15,600
or i feel i've solicited that from the

1429
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:16,880
staff as an

1430
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,080
ex-employer my staff never had much

1431
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:20,960
trouble

1432
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,560
telling me i was full of beans

1433
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,400
i've often had that occasion too sir

1434
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,760
i would make a motion to approve seconds

1435
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,840
there's been a motion and a second to

1436
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,640
approve all in favor say hi

1437
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,400
all opposed same sign i

1438
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,400
what would that vote count tammy three

1439
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,800
to two three two thank you thank you thank you chief i

1440
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,239
have a car man yes sir

1441
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:50,400
you know i didn't get to say it though i

1442
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,080
think it's wise not to wash this stuff

1443
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,719
down put the water you know these fuels and

1444
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:56,080
chemicals and things to the waste water

1445
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,080
that matt has to handle and the citizens

1446
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,040
have to put up with we have a

1447
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,640
sustainability committee we have these

1448
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,320
committees that can very concerned about

1449
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,679
the environment

1450
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:05,199
and it's a very big piece of everything

1451
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:07,360
we're doing as well and i think to look

1452
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:07,840
at

1453
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,520
other ways to clean this stuff up and

1454
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,199
they're out there and the epa is going

1455
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:12,480
to make us do that

1456
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,199
pretty soon anyways so those things are

1457
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:16,719
on the short horizon

1458
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:18,640
so i think it's a good good plan to

1459
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,400
start doing that in other ways and

1460
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,600
washing it down to the

1461
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,880
storm surge we'll move forward

1462
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:30,550
thank you

1463
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,679
item e allocate allocation of funds

1464
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:35,120
community development

1465
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,080
block grant coronavirus response

1466
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:38,800
supplement

1467
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,320
cd cdbg cv

1468
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,400
consider approving the allocation of

1469
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,960
funds from the cdb

1470
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,840
cv grant program from the kansas

1471
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,640
department of commerce with the lord's diner flag

1472
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:55,199
church

1473
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,520
and wesley house each receiving eleven

1474
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:58,480
thousand

1475
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:01,040
six hundred and sixty six dollars in

1476
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,000
funding

1477
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,120
to support programs that provide

1478
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,679
access to nutritious foods during the

1479
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:08,640
covert

1480
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,600
nineteen crisis particularly program

1481
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,920
supporting children

1482
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,679
mayor mansell and commissioners um

1483
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:19,040
at the last commission meeting we

1484
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,360
allocated funds for the business portion

1485
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,120
of this grant

1486
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,400
we've we've since cut checks and

1487
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,560
have delivered those funds this is the

1488
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,159
meals portion of that grant and at that

1489
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:31,440
time i told you i would come back at the

1490
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,120
next meeting and talk about this

1491
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,719
there really are really there are only

1492
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:37,600
three uh applica good applications

1493
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,040
of organizations that actually do

1494
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,040
deliver food in the community

1495
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,560
we did get thirty five thousand dollars

1496
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,480
for that meals portion of that grant

1497
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,560
and all three of these organizations do

1498
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:47,760
provide uh

1499
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,760
services food related services to the

1500
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,679
community we just divided the money up

1501
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:53,520
equally amongst them and and

1502
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,679
are allocating them equal amounts so

1503
01:12:55,679 --> 01:12:57,679
there was only three

1504
01:12:57,679 --> 01:12:59,440
there were four applicants one of them

1505
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,360
was not really a food

1506
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,840
distribution activity and they were

1507
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:04,640
unresponsive

1508
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,239
do each of these entities uh serve about

1509
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:09,840
the same amount of people

1510
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,400
oh it varies dramatically and their way

1511
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,000
they go about it very dramatically as

1512
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,520
well obviously the lord's diner serves

1513
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,520
meals every night

1514
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,199
the wesley house is more like a food

1515
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:22,880
bank and then the flag church has events has

1516
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,400
community events where they distribute

1517
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:24,960
food

1518
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,960
and they work in conjunction with other

1519
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,640
organizations around the city

1520
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,320
and they all have had successful track

1521
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,600
records and delivering food to the

1522
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,070
community

1523
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,080
seacap meals on wheels wasn't the

1524
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,840
participant we

1525
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,360
didn't there was no application from

1526
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,990
them

1527
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,760
are there any further questions for

1528
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,719
a motion to approve second move by larry

1529
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:51,520
second by cheryl all in favor say aye

1530
01:13:51,520 --> 01:14:01,600
all of those same sign thank you

1531
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:05,679
consider item f resolution number 1240

1532
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:07,840
consider approval of resolution number

1533
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:08,719
1240

1534
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:11,840
amending resolution number 1238

1535
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,360
dated october 13 2020

1536
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,760
determining determining that the city of

1537
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,840
pittsburgh is considering

1538
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,400
establishing a rural housing in sydney

1539
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:23,520
district

1540
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,840
within the city to include a property

1541
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:26,560
annex

1542
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,600
into the city following the adoption of

1543
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:35,669
resolution number 1238

1544
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:37,520
congratulations mayor thank you

1545
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,840
commissioners um

1546
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,719
in october if you remember we had a we

1547
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:43,840
brought before you

1548
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,199
resolution 1238 which established

1549
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:48,560
eligible properties for the rural

1550
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,640
housing incentive district

1551
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,120
shortly after that we had another parcel

1552
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,880
approximately 8.4 acres

1553
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,920
annexed into the city spoke with

1554
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,040
a member of the department of commerce

1555
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,600
about the process if we need to go back

1556
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,360
through the entire process again to add

1557
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:06,719
that one parcel

1558
01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:08,400
uh that that gentleman that owns that

1559
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,280
parcel was interested in getting it in

1560
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:12,800
to the rural housing incentive district

1561
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,400
at the time

1562
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,719
but based on timing we needed to wait

1563
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:20,159
the word back from the department of

1564
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,000
commerce is if we

1565
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,400
amend the resolution with a new

1566
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,520
resolution

1567
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,679
and um send them a letter stating that

1568
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:29,040
we would like to amend an

1569
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:33,199
ad as depicted in here parcel a15

1570
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:36,080
that's labeled you can you can see that

1571
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:36,719
um

1572
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:38,000
that they would go ahead and approve it

1573
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,640
without going through uh the process we

1574
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,870
had done just before

1575
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,550
are there any questions for clinton

1576
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,040
there's no questions i move approval

1577
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,280
been moved by patrick

1578
01:15:53,280 --> 01:16:07,679
second by larry all in favor say aye all opposed same sign thank you

1579
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:11,120
coordinate consider item g

1580
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,640
ordinance number g 13 17

1581
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,040
consider approval ordinance number g

1582
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,159
1317

1583
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:25,199
amending sections 2-102-2-103-2-104

1584
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:28,719
and 2-105 of the pittsburgh city codes

1585
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:31,120
to update and streamline the uniform

1586
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,080
procedures and platinum requirements for

1587
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,040
subdivision

1588
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,480
including the pre-flatting conference

1589
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:41,280
preliminary plat final plat and short

1590
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,000
flat

1591
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,280
short form flat thank you mayor

1592
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,600
commissioners

1593
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,679
this is uh comes from the planning

1594
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:51,280
commission it was recommended

1595
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,239
unanimously

1596
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:55,440
these were the uh review uh

1597
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,000
changes that uh the city commission

1598
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,679
requested that the planning commission

1599
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:01,360
take a look at and trying to address

1600
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,880
some of the concerns that have come up

1601
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:03,360
on the

1602
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,110
planning process

1603
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,120
and we want to answer any questions you

1604
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,360
have

1605
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,960
any questions i do i'd like to see the

1606
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,000
difference between the

1607
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,880
two i noticed you have the changes here

1608
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:23,750
but what they were before

1609
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,560
and uh we're basing the changes on just

1610
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,560
bringing it up to speed as far

1611
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,280
see like what you're you're doing here

1612
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:31,840
this

1613
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,920
that's not in here is it with the red

1614
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:35,520
markings no

1615
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,199
what's in there is the ordinance to be

1616
01:17:37,199 --> 01:17:39,040
approved okay

1617
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,640
and you're basing the changes on just

1618
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,480
bringing

1619
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:45,520
the terminology to current compared to

1620
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,920
the paper copies and that type of stuff

1621
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:48,880
before

1622
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,320
right previously it

1623
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,600
they tried to limit it to or

1624
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,440
only have the larger plats come in for a

1625
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:59,280
pre-planning conference

1626
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,800
staff would and recommend that

1627
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,480
we have everyone that wants to come in

1628
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:06,400
and do a subdivision to come through and

1629
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,920
do that to pre-planning conference

1630
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,679
trying to help

1631
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:12,159
get any questions answered quicker and

1632
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:14,000
get them through that uh

1633
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,440
process a little bit smoother on their

1634
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:17,199
end

1635
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:18,640
so regardless of the size of the

1636
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,719
development correct okay let's say be it

1637
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:22,960
uh four lot subdivision or four thousand

1638
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,159
lots of division

1639
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:25,440
we would still like to have them come in

1640
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,199
and talk to us before they go through

1641
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:27,760
this

1642
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,480
through their effort so they get a full

1643
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:33,920
pictures of what's necessary

1644
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,120
and it did a

1645
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,320
lot of the cleanup on

1646
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,960
you know having to submit 20 copies

1647
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,080
paper copies

1648
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,679
everything's done electronically now

1649
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:51,280
updating that are you able to go through

1650
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:51,679
from

1651
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:54,880
the first one and just say what was

1652
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,360
you know i see you have the red here but

1653
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,120
we're not looking at it here so

1654
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:00,640
are you able to kind of go through and

1655
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,790
walk us through it all right

1656
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,400
the pre-planning conference again that

1657
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,000
goes through wanting to have

1658
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,550
every plat that's uh

1659
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,239
to come through to have that sit down

1660
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,400
with the staff to go through

1661
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,630
the process get them familiar with it

1662
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,920
in this it gave a recommendation as to

1663
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:24,960
what they would have

1664
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,719
if they were to bring a drawing to that

1665
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:29,040
uh

1666
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,360
meeting a requirement that they do we

1667
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:32,719
just thought it'd be easier just clean

1668
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:33,120
it up

1669
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,800
then bring something or bring whatever

1670
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,320
they're going to bring

1671
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,520
there's not a requirement to bring

1672
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,440
anything at all they won't bring

1673
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,040
anything at all it'll just be a

1674
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,560
discussion is what's going on so we

1675
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,719
cleaned up the took out all that

1676
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:51,360
additional requirements there

1677
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,600
this uh the next one for preliminary

1678
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,600
plat looked at

1679
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:02,830
changing it to the electronic digital

1680
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,719
copies

1681
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,480
just cleaned up some language with the

1682
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,920
layout of the streets and general

1683
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,280
dimensions

1684
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,400
uh appropriate grades so yeah for most

1685
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:13,040
of uh

1686
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,120
our area grades are not that much of an

1687
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,159
issue out there

1688
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:18,320
if you start getting to uh more hilly

1689
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,600
country that's where you'd be

1690
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,120
a lot more concerned about cuts and

1691
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,800
fills and again

1692
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,120
with this looking at just a preliminary

1693
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,320
or just a

1694
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,719
initial layout on that they'll get into

1695
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:30,880
the more defined

1696
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,400
engineering and say move forward with

1697
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,080
the project so it'd be a little

1698
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,199
premature to

1699
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:40,790
have that required at that point in time

1700
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,760
again with phasing i'll say they'll do

1701
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:44,639
it with a lot

1702
01:20:44,639 --> 01:20:46,000
it'll give us the information there's

1703
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,440
nothing there that's holding them to it

1704
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:49,120
so why have it included so you want to

1705
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:59,430
inspect that portion of it

1706
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:01,920
and was it uh for this number five this

1707
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,840
is where we cleaned up or just made it

1708
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:04,480
more

1709
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:07,440
explicit that uh folks are able to do a

1710
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:08,800
preliminary and a final

1711
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,600
at the same time excuse me one second

1712
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:12,320
cheryl

1713
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,760
if you look at this thing here it shows

1714
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,440
you what he's crossed out

1715
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:21,669
we don't have that no i do i know

1716
01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:23,520
the girls don't have them yeah here's

1717
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:24,960
the desk over there okay

1718
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,400
that's understandable so um

1719
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:29,840
could we stop on that number five for a

1720
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,560
minute did the planning and zoning talk

1721
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,000
about because that's obviously

1722
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:35,840
you know that kind of is what spurred

1723
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,679
this whole thing um

1724
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:39,840
approving the preliminary in the final

1725
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,679
at the same time

1726
01:21:41,679 --> 01:21:43,679
was there any discussion by the planning

1727
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:45,600
and zoning board on

1728
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,120
how that looks uh

1729
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,199
there was not a lot of discussion on

1730
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:52,560
that as it uh

1731
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,159
in that they know that if they don't to

1732
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:57,040
approve

1733
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,719
even though they may both be presented

1734
01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:00,159
they can approve one and not

1735
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:02,080
the preliminary not the final or they

1736
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,159
can decide not to recommend either

1737
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:06,480
as well so they have because of the word

1738
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:07,920
may they have the option of

1739
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:12,000
doing none both or one or the other

1740
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,830
right and say regardless of

1741
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,040
any of the other they've got that

1742
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,000
authority too i i have a question

1743
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,320
concerning the elementary and final

1744
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,239
plaque being approved

1745
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:27,280
at the same time uh

1746
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,960
a couple developments that we have going

1747
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,800
on

1748
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,600
we had neighborhoods that had questions

1749
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:36,800
about that

1750
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,880
very thing the preliminary and the final

1751
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,120
plot being approved

1752
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,400
at the same time uh you know it

1753
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,840
they called and voiced their opposition

1754
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,280
to this

1755
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:54,709
and i just don't what what is

1756
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:57,199
a good reason to do them at the same

1757
01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:59,750
time

1758
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,199
it's done at the request of the

1759
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:05,199
developer if they have a timing

1760
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:07,120
a concern on their side in order to get

1761
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,239
a development uh

1762
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:09,920
moving forward at the speed that they

1763
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,760
would like to again this is all

1764
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,040
their request for the developer correct

1765
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:19,520
but my thoughts are i also like to know

1766
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,679
and hear from the neighborhoods

1767
01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:26,719
if they are opposed to anything

1768
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:29,840
concerning the development and if you

1769
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,920
push the preliminary and final

1770
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:39,440
to be accepted at the same time it is not a benefit to

1771
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:42,560
the citizens and as far as the developer

1772
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,760
i mean is that or planning for or their

1773
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:46,960
part

1774
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,320
trying to push it through as quick as

1775
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,639
possible i mean if they're planning on

1776
01:23:50,639 --> 01:23:51,600
developing

1777
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,320
something surely they have a little

1778
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,840
leeway

1779
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,679
between the final the preliminary and

1780
01:23:57,679 --> 01:23:59,360
the final before it gets down to the end

1781
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,040
and say we got to do it now we gotta

1782
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,760
or we can't do it i it just seems like

1783
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,440
needs to be better planning on their

1784
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:06,400
part

1785
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,880
i'd like to see that not happen i like

1786
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,040
to see the preliminary approved

1787
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,719
and if there's any questions that

1788
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:14,560
anybody has then they see

1789
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,719
that they can come and ask them

1790
01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:18,400
questions on the preliminary

1791
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:19,840
and i'm sure they could on the

1792
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,600
preliminary final

1793
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,520
but i just feel like we're trying to

1794
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,040
push something through

1795
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,600
and and we've seen citizens upset with

1796
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,120
this action so i would like to see

1797
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,000
a the time between the preliminary and

1798
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,360
the final

1799
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,760
left alone and what what is it now is it

1800
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:40,800
10 days or

1801
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,800
21 days what is it right now

1802
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,719
at the option of the city commission

1803
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:48,639
they are still able to

1804
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:50,400
approve a preliminary and a final at the

1805
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,560
same time i understand that but what i'm

1806
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:53,520
saying is

1807
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,239
for the benefit of the neighborhoods

1808
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:58,080
that might be opposed to this it seems

1809
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,080
like we're pushing something

1810
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,280
through too fast and i agree with them

1811
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,520
i don't understand why we can't do a

1812
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,199
plumbing area

1813
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:10,159
give it a few days and then do the final

1814
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:16,950
i don't i don't understand

1815
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:23,110
[Music]

1816
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,960
we are not the only community there are

1817
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:26,719
quite a number that do it

1818
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:28,400
looking up joplin they've got that

1819
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:29,920
option as well

1820
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,920
to do the preliminary and final at the

1821
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,199
same time

1822
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:35,760
as the schedule county wichita area

1823
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,600
there's quite a number of areas that do

1824
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,560
have it explicitly written out in there

1825
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,400
and many of the communities that say you

1826
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:43,600
do one than the other

1827
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,080
there's still always that option to do

1828
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:47,920
them both at the same time

1829
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,760
and there are cases where they are done

1830
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,360
at the same time even when they do say

1831
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:52,159
that

1832
01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:54,320
they would like to see the preliminary

1833
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:55,360
and then the final account at a

1834
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:56,719
different time

1835
01:25:56,719 --> 01:26:00,159
again it uh the choice of uh

1836
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:02,960
you know the city commission if it comes

1837
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:03,920
to you

1838
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:07,920
there's always that option to deny it if

1839
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:08,880
you so choose

1840
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,960
or deny approve part evidence in part of

1841
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,960
the day

1842
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:13,920
you don't have to approve both

1843
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,159
elevations we already have that it's not

1844
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:17,760
mandated that it has to happen it's just

1845
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:18,400
giving us

1846
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,719
you the option of making it happen if

1847
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:21,440
you think you

1848
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:22,960
have got enough input on it and you want

1849
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:24,800
to move it forward correct

1850
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,400
and the citizens can come to their

1851
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,080
council meeting as well well

1852
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,600
yeah the way i would envision it is if they did bring it forward

1853
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,280
together and the citizens came up and

1854
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:34,719
said hey we've got real issues and we

1855
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:35,679
haven't had

1856
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:37,280
the due process which i think was the

1857
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:38,880
initial the initial problem

1858
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,360
that the mayor's referring to then you

1859
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:42,800
guys can redirect it and say well

1860
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,080
you need to get out because one thing

1861
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,000
we've been clear about is

1862
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,199
you need to go out and meet with the

1863
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:50,000
citizens like we did on east quincy

1864
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,520
months before you start ripping into

1865
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,440
their street and pairing things up and

1866
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:54,719
we've learned that lesson this just

1867
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:57,520
gives us the ability to move it forward

1868
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,360
if it comes down to financing or some

1869
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,040
other circumstances where

1870
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:02,480
um it needs to happen and you're all

1871
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:03,760
comfortable with it and so are the

1872
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:04,639
citizens

1873
01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:06,480
you know it's two or three lots i mean

1874
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,320
you know the examples we've been talking

1875
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:08,800
about are

1876
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,560
you know multiple lots of it if it's a

1877
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,239
development with you know before

1878
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:14,320
the citizen did come to a commission

1879
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,320
meeting both times

1880
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,199
and ghosts are our opposition to this

1881
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:20,400
preliminary

1882
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,400
and final being uh approved at the same

1883
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:25,199
time

1884
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:29,280
we heard from them but unfortunately

1885
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,760
we went ahead and proved it anyway so

1886
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:32,560
you know

1887
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,679
uh i think they felt like

1888
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:37,040
they really didn't have a voice in it

1889
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:38,639
they they came and approached their

1890
01:27:38,639 --> 01:27:41,280
opposition but we did it anyway so

1891
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,280
i just feel like democracy you know

1892
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:44,719
maybe we should

1893
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:49,110
give it a little separation in between

1894
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:55,600
as we've said we have the right to not past that if it comes before us

1895
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,840
yeah but we can so we never have well

1896
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,480
but whose fault is that yeah but

1897
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:03,920
in all due respect we need to know the

1898
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,159
rules and regulations that are set forth

1899
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:07,440
already as far as

1900
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,280
subdivision rules and regulations

1901
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,280
because in july we

1902
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,159
it was a three to two vote against our

1903
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:16,960
own rules and regulations so

1904
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,120
i'd like to see it separated on the

1905
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,440
final and preliminary

1906
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:24,080
engine what did we what did july 28th

1907
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:24,639
before

1908
01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:28,639
creekside east

1909
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:31,600
when we had boys from deer run the

1910
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:32,880
people came

1911
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,920
and the vote would have been

1912
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,840
if you vote to approve you were voting

1913
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,080
against your rules and regulations that

1914
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,600
were already in place

1915
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,080
and vote against was it was a three to

1916
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,750
two vote

1917
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,679
i said the rules are set up for you to

1918
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:51,520
be able to approve both at the same time

1919
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:52,480
currently

1920
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:54,000
it wasn't against the rules and rights

1921
01:28:54,000 --> 01:29:00,950
it was against our usual procedures

1922
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,320
i think i'd like to make a motion to

1923
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,440
um tablet and more

1924
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:10,639
information i'll second it specifically

1925
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:12,960
what are you looking for cheryl

1926
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,239
in terms of more information what are

1927
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:16,000
you looking for well

1928
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,440
for one we need to be more informed on

1929
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:20,800
the rules and regulations of the

1930
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:21,760
subdivision

1931
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,600
because there is very little discussion

1932
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,120
at pnc

1933
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,480
and i do not feel like that

1934
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:32,000
it was discussed to a thorough

1935
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:38,239
extent okay so if we if we bring it back what are

1936
01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:40,719
you looking forward to bring back

1937
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:43,520
what what what does camera need to do is

1938
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:43,760
there

1939
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,440
just okay more time i want to see it

1940
01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:46,880
okay then i want to see

1941
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,320
the copy of the reports that you put

1942
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,880
together to make the decisions

1943
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,600
that you're doing right now and i i

1944
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:54,960
think there needs to be more discussion

1945
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,750
about it

1946
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,719
because i've been to every pnc meeting

1947
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:01,360
for the past

1948
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,239
two and a half years and during this

1949
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:06,880
time when this was all being discussed

1950
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,520
there was very little discussion it was

1951
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:10,239
like

1952
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:13,360
you know that and they would go through

1953
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:14,159
it

1954
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:16,800
but nobody talked about it the how the

1955
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:17,520
whys and

1956
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,400
how comes so and when it comes down to

1957
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,679
the preliminary and the final plaid i do

1958
01:30:23,679 --> 01:30:25,280
not believe that you should run them

1959
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:25,760
both

1960
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,719
through at the same time because you

1961
01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:29,120
know

1962
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,120
lack of planning on a developer's part

1963
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,280
at some times to rush it through because

1964
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,520
weather's coming or otherwise there is a

1965
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,920
process and we need to follow it and i i believe

1966
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,600
that the preliminary needs to come

1967
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:42,800
through first

1968
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,679
and then i don't know right now right

1969
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:47,280
off top my head it was

1970
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,320
what 21 days later the final if

1971
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:51,360
everything's in place

1972
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,960
and it's all you know proper

1973
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,880
and it follows the rules and regulations

1974
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,320
i have no problem with

1975
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,040
going through with it but uh and you

1976
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,639
know as far as cleaning up the wording

1977
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:04,480
to bring it to up to speed

1978
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:09,040
that i'm okay with but i'm not okay with the final and the preliminary plan

1979
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,199
being approved at the same time so is

1980
01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:13,199
tabling it going to change that yeah

1981
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:14,560
why shouldn't you just take the vote if

1982
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,000
you're if you're not if you're against

1983
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:16,400
that

1984
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,080
is there if there's nothing well i mean

1985
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,440
do you want to make it better

1986
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:22,480
or do you want to just run it through

1987
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:24,480
like then and then worry about it later

1988
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:25,920
that was what happened in

1989
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,120
july we voted for it and we're going to

1990
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:30,400
change it later

1991
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,840
so why don't we do it the right way the

1992
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:34,719
first time

1993
01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:36,880
and then prove it well i think that i

1994
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,280
think it's just a matter of

1995
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:40,960
being a forwarder against the opinion of

1996
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:42,800
the board was it is better this is the

1997
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,080
final version what you're saying

1998
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:45,600
is well you don't like that they're

1999
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,760
separated but if you can't there's nothing cameron

2000
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,679
can do to unchain i mean

2001
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:52,960
right now the recommendation is they're

2002
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,560
separated so if you don't like it maybe

2003
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,239
it's because the opinion of the board

2004
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:56,639
was

2005
01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:59,760
nobody said anything at all so you want

2006
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,199
him back go back so that's the board

2007
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:01,600
meeting

2008
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,000
well i just one i thought there would be

2009
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,840
more discussion about it because

2010
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,400
frankly i would like to know that more

2011
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:09,360
people have

2012
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,040
if you're on that board you need to know

2013
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:12,239
the rules and regulations of

2014
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:13,280
subdivisions

2015
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,480
so you know i know you do but you have

2016
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:18,080
these people that's the most important

2017
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:18,560
board

2018
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,440
we have do you have any comment on why

2019
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:22,159
the board

2020
01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:24,880
didn't discuss it more was it i don't

2021
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:25,840
know if the board

2022
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,480
again i can't uh make people talk if

2023
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:29,840
they don't want to talk i

2024
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,520
i'm not going to give them a quiz how

2025
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,120
much they understand or don't understand

2026
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,800
what's going on through there

2027
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,560
all i can do is respond to what

2028
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,320
questions they had on it

2029
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,080
there were the marked up versions that

2030
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:41,520
were sent out in the

2031
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,120
packets and they were also available

2032
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,679
that day for anyone that came in

2033
01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:48,560
and i don't i say i can't uh tell you i

2034
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:48,960
can

2035
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,480
only speculate and i don't want to do

2036
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:52,800
that okay

2037
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,159
well you're not every board member's not gonna be an expert in every piece of

2038
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:57,440
this you've got a plumber you've got it

2039
01:32:57,440 --> 01:32:58,800
you've got a mechanical engineer you've

2040
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,080
got a contractor

2041
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,000
you've got an electrician now you have

2042
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,480
an architect which is wrong

2043
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:10,870
robin that's a separate board okay

2044
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,560
so uh if we table this i guess uh that's

2045
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:15,360
just

2046
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,159
twofold maybe bringing back the original

2047
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:20,159
with the markup so we know it's changed

2048
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:21,920
and two just really giving people more

2049
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,360
time to think

2050
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,639
no more discussion on their part

2051
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:29,040
because they so you're recommending that

2052
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:30,880
it goes back to planning and zoning for

2053
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:31,920
further discussion

2054
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:36,320
yes okay

2055
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,280
so um there's a motion on the table i

2056
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,280
don't yeah i mean that sounds good but

2057
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:42,880
that's not very i mean if your plans and

2058
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,719
zoning they're gonna

2059
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:46,800
we need to either direct them or maybe

2060
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,080
what i would recommend was since it

2061
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,520
already made it up here

2062
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,120
and what we're missing is the redline

2063
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:52,239
version which you brought up because

2064
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:52,800
you're like

2065
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,719
i'm seeing this for the first time what

2066
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:56,239
if we held it

2067
01:33:56,239 --> 01:33:58,080
it's part of the public record anybody

2068
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,400
that sees it that wants to comment on it

2069
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,639
just like they didn't do it public at

2070
01:34:02,639 --> 01:34:04,159
the plans and zoning

2071
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:06,000
can can come back to our next meeting in

2072
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,440
january and say

2073
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:08,960
well hey i've got here's my thoughts on

2074
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,480
it i don't know that going back to that

2075
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:11,120
board

2076
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,520
is going to do anything except have them

2077
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:14,320
go why

2078
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,000
what have they need to have a

2079
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:17,520
conversation why don't we just have that

2080
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:18,080
conversation

2081
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,560
up here in a month is that more is that

2082
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:21,280
work for you

2083
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,840
yeah and then that way we can get cheryl

2084
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,520
the red line version which i think

2085
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,080
is is a very good suggestion because i

2086
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,159
mean how do you know it changed if you don't

2087
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:31,520
see what was cut out and what words have

2088
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:32,080
changed

2089
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:33,920
so and is there some critical need to do

2090
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:35,360
it today versus

2091
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,040
no there's not it was just a desire to

2092
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,880
get it back for the group and

2093
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,400
again i said we weren't trying to hide

2094
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,000
what it was

2095
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,760
rather than have three different

2096
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,280
versions that you're voting on we wanted

2097
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,119
to have here's the ordinance

2098
01:34:47,119 --> 01:34:48,639
and it was part of the planning and

2099
01:34:48,639 --> 01:34:51,510
zoning packet

2100
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,159
so if we table this and bring it back

2101
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:55,600
will

2102
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,719
developers that develop

2103
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:01,600
properties in pittsburgh will they be at

2104
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,280
this meeting so we could ask their

2105
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:03,760
thoughts

2106
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:07,679
on what they might have uh

2107
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:10,400
advice on the preliminary and final

2108
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,000
being approved at the same time i'd like

2109
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,639
to hear from people that have done

2110
01:35:14,639 --> 01:35:16,159
developments and what they

2111
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:19,280
did in the past and what their thoughts

2112
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:20,239
for the future is

2113
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:22,239
if that's what well well you need to be

2114
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:23,679
careful mayor because we can't just have

2115
01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:24,719
a meeting where everybody's

2116
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:26,639
having a conversation i think it's all

2117
01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:28,480
about procedure and following

2118
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:29,920
the state of kansas rules and

2119
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:31,119
regulations what should happen in the

2120
01:35:31,119 --> 01:35:32,000
next month

2121
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,560
is for you all to go back to the people

2122
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,239
that have an issue with it or

2123
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:38,719
read the red line and come back as board

2124
01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:39,440
members

2125
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:41,440
with your concerns and then the five of

2126
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,639
you discuss it but i mean otherwise

2127
01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:46,800
i don't see any there's no mechanism to

2128
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,400
have just an open meeting by everybody

2129
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:49,600
at the town hall

2130
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,320
so we can talk to other developers and

2131
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:53,280
see

2132
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,520
what they think and kind of get a little

2133
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:56,639
bit more

2134
01:35:56,639 --> 01:35:59,600
educated ourselves on yeah what would be

2135
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,440
real helpful is what you get

2136
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:03,280
give it to staff so they have a chance

2137
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:04,880
to have a real discussion with you

2138
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:05,920
rather than just you

2139
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:07,760
unloading in a month a bunch of

2140
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,600
information

2141
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:14,159
yeah and we're here i mean we're here if you want to come

2142
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:16,239
into city hall and sit down with cameron

2143
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:17,280
and walk through what you've got at the

2144
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:18,800
beginning of january whenever

2145
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,960
let's do that instead of just trying to

2146
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,199
but asking people's opinion is not what

2147
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:24,080
i'm i'm talking

2148
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,960
about right it's what you know er like

2149
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,239
to get a driver's license

2150
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:30,159
you have to follow the rules you have to

2151
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:31,360
take the driving test you have to take

2152
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:32,400
the written test and

2153
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,159
go from there that's what i'm talking

2154
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:36,000
about as far as this

2155
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,840
so when it gets down to that final and

2156
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:39,679
preliminary i just don't feel like they

2157
01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:41,199
should be ran through at the same time

2158
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:42,239
and there is

2159
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:45,600
rules for that so so really it boils

2160
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:50,719
down to a difference of your interpretation and right the

2161
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:52,320
in there i think the 10 days that you're

2162
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,320
talking about that is 10 days for them

2163
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,159
to have the final plat

2164
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:58,639
in advance of the planning commission

2165
01:36:58,639 --> 01:36:59,760
meeting

2166
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,280
it's not 10 days after the approval

2167
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,199
of the preliminary plat before you can

2168
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:06,320
submit

2169
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,719
it's only that the penny commission

2170
01:37:08,719 --> 01:37:10,719
needs to have the final plat

2171
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:14,480
in hand 10 days before the meeting date

2172
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:17,199
during all those meetings ever that i've

2173
01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:17,520
sat

2174
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,880
in on you can tell the guys or

2175
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,119
the developers who come in who have

2176
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:25,119
their ducks in line

2177
01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:28,400
you know their paperwork is good they're

2178
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,880
everything is to the t then there's the

2179
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,239
ones who don't that look

2180
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:34,560
like they're rushing through it and

2181
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,159
that's that's what i'm talking about

2182
01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:38,159
is staying true to the rules and

2183
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:39,600
regulations because

2184
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,560
you get the whole the whole spectrum

2185
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:43,280
there so

2186
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,280
that's that's just my thoughts why don't

2187
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,360
we just well it seems to me like

2188
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,480
we have uh the issue that you have

2189
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:53,760
is not doing the initial and the final

2190
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,360
together

2191
01:37:55,360 --> 01:38:00,830
we already have the legal

2192
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:04,080
recourse so that doesn't happen

2193
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:08,070
the five of us do

2194
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,560
so what's the difference well i think

2195
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,719
just as a courtesy to

2196
01:38:12,719 --> 01:38:14,880
madam president of the board that we

2197
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:16,000
should table for a month

2198
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:17,280
and she should spend some time with

2199
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,480
staff getting comfortable with this

2200
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:19,679
because it sounds like she has some real

2201
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:20,800
questions or you can just call for the

2202
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:21,920
vote today

2203
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,440
but i think that's what i'm hearing you

2204
01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:26,400
have emotion on the table there's been a motion by sheryl and the

2205
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,320
second if i mean to table it

2206
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,880
until when first meeting in january

2207
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,840
yeah i mean that's like it's up to you

2208
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:36,159
yeah

2209
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:39,199
that's a month yeah so

2210
01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:42,159
all in favor say aye all right all right

2211
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:42,639
all of

2212
01:38:42,639 --> 01:38:45,360
the same signs so we will table this so

2213
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:45,840
cheryl

2214
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:47,840
i would encourage you to meet with staff

2215
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,320
absolutely so

2216
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:57,350
thank you thanks cameron thank you

2217
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:00,840
item h ordinance number s

2218
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:04,560
1076 consider approval of ordinance

2219
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:05,199
number

2220
01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:08,560
s 1076 fixing the salary and

2221
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:09,520
compensation

2222
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,239
of the officers employees of the city of

2223
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:15,350
pittsburgh kansas

2224
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,520
good evening congratulations mayor

2225
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:18,719
commissioners

2226
01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:21,040
um so thank you for supporting our staff

2227
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,880
and all the hard work that's being done

2228
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,639
around the city

2229
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:26,639
in your november meeting you approved a

2230
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:29,119
two percent cost of living adjustment

2231
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:31,199
and we adjusted the salary ordinance

2232
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:33,360
accordingly on the minimum and maximum

2233
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,790
ranges

2234
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:40,000
so i have a question for you henry

2235
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,239
is there any way there's a section of

2236
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:43,199
this ordinance

2237
01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:46,480
that i am not comfortable with

2238
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:50,320
and i've stated that last year

2239
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,639
so is there something that we can uh

2240
01:39:54,639 --> 01:39:58,080
amend of this ordinance or we have to

2241
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:02,870
just follow what the ordinance says

2242
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,679
what is the amendment the the thing that

2243
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:08,960
i'm having trouble with employee

2244
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,960
section c city manager's authority

2245
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,119
employees salaries and wages may be

2246
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:17,520
increased by the city manager

2247
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,080
at a reasonable interviews intervals

2248
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,320
until the maximum amount is

2249
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,199
reached and may be allowed and paid from

2250
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:27,440
time to time

2251
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:30,000
the issue i have with it we budget for

2252
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,520
city employees raises

2253
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:34,000
every two years it's usually a two

2254
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,080
percent raise

2255
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,280
it's a morale issue

2256
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:44,950
when employees can receive

2257
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:48,080
raises when we don't budget them every

2258
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:48,560
other

2259
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:52,239
every two years and i would just like to

2260
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:55,520
see that portion removed if that's

2261
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,109
possible

2262
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:02,960
i mean if you know you'd have to call

2263
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:04,080
for a

2264
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:08,639
revote and move to amend

2265
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:13,590
that portion or to

2266
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:17,119
delete that that portion or

2267
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:20,400
just disapprove the the ordinance and

2268
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:24,880
i mean those are the options that you have when you

2269
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,520
consider an ordinance all right then i

2270
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,520
make a motion

2271
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,159
may i say something please go ahead so

2272
01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:32,560
these

2273
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,600
intervals that you're talking about um

2274
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,440
our employees work really hard some of

2275
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:39,600
them get certifications so that

2276
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,280
i'm not talking about that but that's

2277
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:42,880
what's included in this no

2278
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,600
that's on down that's on down nothing

2279
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,199
not just the incentives

2280
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:49,280
if someone gets a promotion that doesn't

2281
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,840
happen at one finite time

2282
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,600
and so if people aren't allowed to get

2283
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,320
any in incremental increases or

2284
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,280
paid increases outside of your proven a

2285
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:00,000
cost of living

2286
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,920
adjustment that's really going to hurt

2287
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:03,760
morale i have employees coming to talk

2288
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:04,480
to me

2289
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:07,199
every day because they are underpaid we

2290
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:09,520
need a compensation study to really look

2291
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:10,159
at that

2292
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:11,679
we're not competitive in the market

2293
01:42:11,679 --> 01:42:13,440
that's making our job difficult

2294
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:15,600
to get quality employees and to retain

2295
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:16,639
them

2296
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:18,719
the turnover is ramping up right now

2297
01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:20,080
because people are pretty upset about

2298
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:21,280
being paid low

2299
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,199
and that's not the city manager's fault

2300
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:24,639
it's just based on

2301
01:42:24,639 --> 01:42:26,560
our compensation structure and the

2302
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,719
salary ordinance a salary study hasn't

2303
01:42:28,719 --> 01:42:30,320
been done for 15 years

2304
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,080
so we really need to look at those

2305
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:33,760
things please before you make this

2306
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:35,360
motion and recommend it

2307
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:38,000
i'm respectfully asking how long did you

2308
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:38,880
say it's been since

2309
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,520
15 years 15 years yes sir thank you a

2310
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:43,199
long time

2311
01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:45,040
and i understand what you're saying and

2312
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,400
it but

2313
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:49,119
it had nothing to do with promotions

2314
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:51,280
being paid for certifications or

2315
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:52,560
education

2316
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:56,159
it's for for employees that basically

2317
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:59,119
are doing the same job but sometimes

2318
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:00,080
they just have their

2319
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:01,920
title change a little bit so that's my

2320
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,080
issue but

2321
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,600
if if we don't remove

2322
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,800
part of that that i would like to remove

2323
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,800
that's fine also i just won't vote for

2324
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:13,040
it

2325
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:16,320
that's my uh that's my choice now that

2326
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,360
i mentioned the salary ordinance

2327
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,920
and study and i'm talking about the low

2328
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:22,800
end of the

2329
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,360
employment scale yes because we have a

2330
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:26,159
lot of

2331
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:29,360
very capable knowledgeable

2332
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:33,040
uh dedicated employees that see what's

2333
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,159
going on

2334
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:36,080
and they're at the low end so it is a

2335
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:37,199
morale

2336
01:43:37,199 --> 01:43:39,679
issue with these people at the low end

2337
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:41,280
that only get a raise

2338
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,159
every couple of years so i'm talking for

2339
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:45,360
these people

2340
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:49,520
so so am i well that's fine well i mean

2341
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:51,840
the city manager is responsible for

2342
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:53,679
ultimately responsible for recruitment

2343
01:43:53,679 --> 01:43:54,480
and retention

2344
01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:58,480
and we have to provide some um

2345
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:00,000
leverage we have to provide some

2346
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,400
authority to recruit and retain and it

2347
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:03,440
doesn't always come

2348
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:05,679
when you hire somebody or you know when

2349
01:44:05,679 --> 01:44:07,040
they're evaluated

2350
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:10,080
so to to eliminate this

2351
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,960
and tie their hands is really um a

2352
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:14,080
detrimental to

2353
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,159
us being able to get qualified employees

2354
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:18,239
i understand

2355
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:19,760
it it takes away an incentive for an

2356
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,840
employee to take it away i think since

2357
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,520
i'm the one being i mean the idea that

2358
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:25,360
we would change somebody's title

2359
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:26,880
and give them more money when they don't

2360
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,480
take on more duties

2361
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:30,080
is ludicrous that doesn't happen and

2362
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,840
that's a real in saying that in a public

2363
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:32,639
meeting

2364
01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:34,239
after everything that i've done for all

2365
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:36,480
of the employees without a specific

2366
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:37,440
example

2367
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:39,520
um is unfair to the employees because

2368
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:40,480
it's going to leave them

2369
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:43,119
with the idea that that is going on and

2370
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:43,600
that is

2371
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:45,360
absolutely what is not going on at the

2372
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:46,719
city of pittsburgh

2373
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:49,199
and i would like to have an example of

2374
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:50,400
something like that if you're going to

2375
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:51,920
throw it out in a meeting because

2376
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,400
we do have employees that have been here

2377
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,320
for 15 and 20 years

2378
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:57,840
that for whatever reason aren't the low

2379
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,520
end of the pay scale probably because we

2380
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,199
haven't done a pay study

2381
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:03,920
and we have tried in every case every

2382
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,679
paf that comes in front of me

2383
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:07,280
we've gone out of our way to find a way

2384
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:09,920
to pay them more so a removing this

2385
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:11,280
would be a huge mistake because you

2386
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,480
would be back to colas and b

2387
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:16,560
i can't think of one example of an

2388
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:18,159
employee that we have ever just given

2389
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:19,119
money

2390
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:21,840
um because we somehow thought that they

2391
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:23,119
needed more money

2392
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:25,119
everybody that works at the city needs

2393
01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:26,239
more money

2394
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:28,560
and we have prom we've put together a

2395
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,400
complete new class and pay system in the last five

2396
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,239
years that adds steps

2397
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:36,320
so people can move up at whatever level

2398
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,080
of the organization

2399
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,840
based on how long they've been here but

2400
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,280
the idea that we just hand out

2401
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,320
raises to people with title changes

2402
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,880
is is not accurate you know we don't

2403
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,480
have

2404
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:52,159
only a retention issue at the bottom of

2405
01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:53,520
the room

2406
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,199
you can have it at the top of the room

2407
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:56,639
too

2408
01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:59,440
and that's that's important to keep them

2409
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:01,990
both

2410
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:05,199
we need more pay commissioner brooks and

2411
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:06,719
i had a great conversation at the end of

2412
01:46:06,719 --> 01:46:07,840
the last meeting

2413
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,000
and she she kind of nudged me and said

2414
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:11,520
hey you know we need we need we've got

2415
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:12,880
employees you know we need to keep them

2416
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:13,840
and i'm like

2417
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,320
well we absolutely need to keep them but

2418
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:16,880
um

2419
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,360
this isn't mcdonald's uh we don't get to

2420
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:20,960
raise the price of a cheeseburger if we

2421
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,280
want every minimum wage goes up

2422
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,199
you've got to increase the taxes or

2423
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:26,400
you've got to take something off the

2424
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:26,880
table

2425
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,800
and i guarantee you the 300 employees

2426
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:29,920
that we have

2427
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,000
punch above their weight every day and

2428
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,320
do more than a community this size

2429
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:35,679
anywhere in the state and probably

2430
01:46:35,679 --> 01:46:37,760
across the country and

2431
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,159
right now we're at about a 40 payroll of

2432
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:42,480
our overall costs and that's a lot

2433
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:44,320
and so we were talking about without

2434
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,560
putting you in the unfortunate situation

2435
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:47,199
of

2436
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:49,360
uh raising taxes which i know everybody

2437
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:50,639
in the community is screaming let's

2438
01:46:50,639 --> 01:46:52,320
increase property taxes

2439
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:55,440
um that was facetious they haven't

2440
01:46:55,440 --> 01:46:56,719
called me on that we have some real

2441
01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:58,320
issues which is why we're trying to grow

2442
01:46:58,320 --> 01:46:59,199
the town

2443
01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:00,719
and why we're trying to look at other

2444
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:02,880
opportunities to create more wealth

2445
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:04,480
because people need more money and we

2446
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:06,320
are always losing employees

2447
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:08,320
from utilities from streets from police

2448
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:09,840
and fire every day

2449
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:11,280
because they can go to olathe or

2450
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:13,199
somewhere else and get that job

2451
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:14,880
and get that more money and and it's

2452
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,920
tough to do when

2453
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,320
i i don't ever want to say it but you

2454
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,000
know we're one of the poor communities

2455
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:23,360
in the state of kansas

2456
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:25,840
our taxes just generate what they do and

2457
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,760
we tried through benefits

2458
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,159
and quality of life and the purchases of

2459
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:31,440
equipment that you all make for the

2460
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:32,320
employees

2461
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,400
and the safety training we give them to

2462
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:36,080
keep their costs down and when they do

2463
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,239
get a two percent raise which is

2464
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:40,719
um every other year if we're lucky they

2465
01:47:40,719 --> 01:47:42,080
feel that two percent raise because it's

2466
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:43,679
not absorbed by

2467
01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:45,920
a copay increase or another health

2468
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:47,760
insurance increase somewhere else

2469
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,000
but we are definitely up against it

2470
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:51,760
because we have individuals

2471
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:53,840
and we all know who the employees in

2472
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,239
this city are how hard they work

2473
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:59,040
and you know the private sector they can

2474
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:00,639
make a ton more money and even in some

2475
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:02,080
other communities and so

2476
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:03,840
it's a real issue and we wanted to do

2477
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:05,119
the pace study this year and the

2478
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:06,960
pandemic hit and we put it off

2479
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,239
we think it's going to be about 100

2480
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:12,400
grand um but it needs to happen because

2481
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:13,520
you have you know how do you eat an

2482
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,040
elephant a bite at a time we need to

2483
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:16,400
start addressing it

2484
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,639
but i do think the taking away the

2485
01:48:18,639 --> 01:48:20,159
ability to give

2486
01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:22,080
people raises as they promote up and get

2487
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,600
certifications and take on more responsibilities would

2488
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,360
be uh going backwards for the

2489
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:29,679
organization

2490
01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:33,280
baron you're is 40 of the budget

2491
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,199
it's right there right at it and see a

2492
01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:37,280
lot of private industries labor's 20

2493
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:38,800
percent

2494
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,199
you know so it's a big big load the

2495
01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:41,840
labor is

2496
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,000
and jamie always reminded me what

2497
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:45,600
personnel and i'm like hey i'm not

2498
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:46,159
complaining

2499
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:48,480
man i'm ready to give everybody a 25

2500
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:49,840
raise right now but

2501
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:51,280
unless you guys are all ready to raise

2502
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,679
taxes 13 it's not going to happen

2503
01:48:53,679 --> 01:48:55,920
so we've got to do better we are working

2504
01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:00,560
on a lot but um you know taking out the ability

2505
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,480
to give people raises during the year 12

2506
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:04,560
months is a long time a lot happens

2507
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,080
and i think that would be a definite hit

2508
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:09,030
on morale

2509
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:11,760
i make a motion to approve ordinance

2510
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:12,239
number

2511
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:15,840
s 1076. my second there's been a motion

2512
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,000
to approve in a second all in favor say

2513
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:22,550
aye all opposed same sign

2514
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:34,310
thank you thank you thanks michelle

2515
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,280
an executive session an executive

2516
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,440
session is necessary to discuss personal

2517
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:41,280
matters of non-elected personnel

2518
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:42,480
pursuant to kansas

2519
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:47,440
ksa 75-43199

2520
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:51,679
b-1 to discuss the 2020 evaluation

2521
01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:55,679
and 2021 employment terms and conditions

2522
01:49:55,679 --> 01:49:58,400
for the city manager i'm looking for a

2523
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:00,719
motion to recess into executive sessions

2524
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:03,199
for 45 minutes to discuss

2525
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:06,880
the 2020 evaluation and 2021 employment

2526
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,199
terms and conditions

2527
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:11,360
for the city manager pursuant to the

2528
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:12,560
non-elected

2529
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:19,950
personnel exception under ksa

2530
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:21,520
754319b1

2531
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,119
with the meeting to resume in the

2532
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:25,840
commission room in 45 minutes

2533
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:27,599
patrick's made a motion is there a

2534
01:50:27,599 --> 01:50:29,679
second second

2535
01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:32,320
then a motion by patrick seconded by

2536
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:33,679
larry

2537
01:50:33,679 --> 01:50:37,040
we will all in favor say aye

2538
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:40,239
will we recess for executive session for

2539
01:50:40,239 --> 02:36:42,140
45 minutes

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[Music]

2541
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all right we're back from recess wait a

2542
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:47,120
minute

2543
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it's not red it doesn't have the light

2544
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have to be red

2545
02:36:51,439 --> 02:36:54,560
alive again i don't know or does it

2546
02:36:54,560 --> 02:36:55,040
henry

2547
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we're good

2548
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all right we're back from recess uh an

2549
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executive session

2550
02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:08,000
and no votes for cast no decisions were

2551
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made

2552
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:12,720
but we need an additional 15 minutes

2553
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:15,120
one executive session is necessary to

2554
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:17,200
discuss personal matters of non-elected

2555
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:18,399
personnel

2556
02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:24,240
pursuant to ksa 75-4319-b-1

2557
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:27,040
to discuss the 2020 evaluation 2020

2558
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:29,439
employment terms and conditions for

2559
02:37:29,439 --> 02:37:32,640
city manager motion to recess an

2560
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:34,000
executive session for

2561
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:36,920
an additional 15 minutes to discuss the

2562
02:37:36,920 --> 02:37:38,960
2020 evaluation of

2563
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:41,359
2021 employment terms and conditions for

2564
02:37:41,359 --> 02:37:42,960
the city manager

2565
02:37:42,960 --> 02:37:45,120
pursuant to the non-elected personnel

2566
02:37:45,120 --> 02:37:46,880
exemption

2567
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:52,319
exception under ksa 75-4319

2568
02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:55,359
b-1 with the meeting to resume in the

2569
02:37:55,359 --> 02:37:56,319
commission room

2570
02:37:56,319 --> 02:37:59,359
in 45 in 15 minutes is there a motion

2571
02:37:59,359 --> 02:38:01,520
for the additional 15 minutes executive

2572
02:38:01,520 --> 02:38:02,399
session

2573
02:38:02,399 --> 02:38:06,240
make a motion been moved and seconded

2574
02:38:06,240 --> 02:38:10,399
all in favor say aye aye we are recess for an additional

2575
02:38:10,399 --> 02:38:11,439
15 minutes

2576
02:38:11,439 --> 02:49:24,950
executing session

2577
02:49:24,960 --> 02:49:35,990
darren's fix my table was wobbly

2578
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:38,080
usually it's hot in here but tonight

2579
02:49:38,080 --> 02:49:40,880
it's not

2580
02:49:40,880 --> 02:49:43,920
all right we're back from recess into

2581
02:49:43,920 --> 02:49:46,080
his epic sessions

2582
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:48,240
no those were cast no decisions were

2583
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:52,150
made

2584
02:49:52,160 --> 02:49:59,340
looking for money looking

2585
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[Music]

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candy