1 00:00:01,300 --> 00:00:30,540 Thank you. I am going to call the Conservation Commission meetings order. Once I call you, that's okay. Sorry. Just a couple of reminders. These meetings are recorded by North TV. We have one conversation at a time. If you want to speak, identify yourself, speak into the microphone and sign in on the sign in sheets. And I don't think this will be applicable, but how a restrict comments to people with standing. 2 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:35,520 which means applicants of butters and residents of Plainville. 3 00:00:38,340 --> 00:00:39,260 All right. 4 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,440 All right. 5 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,440 First item on the agenda is the continued public hearing 6 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,140 for 120 Washington Street. 7 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:50,060 We'll have. 8 00:00:50,540 --> 00:00:56,220 They have requested to continue because there is nothing new 9 00:00:56,220 --> 00:00:56,880 to present. 10 00:00:57,140 --> 00:00:59,620 The peer reviewer was out there on site. 11 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,600 What landscape reviewer was out there last week with me 12 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:09,340 and the applicant's engineer went over some things, checked out some of the spots of interest. 13 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:13,880 He was aiming to have a report today, but there's a couple things he wants to investigate 14 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,940 a little further, so he won't have the report for today, and he wants to go back out to the 15 00:01:17,940 --> 00:01:21,780 site next week, so we're working on setting up a date for that. 16 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,360 So the report should be into the board ahead of the next meeting. 17 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:33,640 There's also a letter here in the packet from Chris Renee, that was written to both planning 18 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:34,700 board and conservation. 19 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:41,960 I'm going to have a butter on 128 Washington, so we don't have to read through it if you 20 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:44,480 don't want to, if we could get a motion to place it on the record. 21 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:57,220 Motion to place the letter from Chris Brennan, this is for the record. 22 00:01:57,220 --> 00:01:58,220 Thank you. 23 00:01:59,380 --> 00:01:59,700 Thank you. 24 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,980 Thank you for the discussion. 25 00:02:02,260 --> 00:02:02,940 All those in favor? 26 00:02:03,780 --> 00:02:04,240 Any opposed? 27 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:05,300 Thank you. 28 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,720 So we continue to October 13th. 29 00:02:11,860 --> 00:02:12,100 Yes. 30 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:12,720 The next meeting. 31 00:02:15,070 --> 00:02:21,030 And to take the motion to continue on 20 Washington Street to October 13th. 32 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:21,950 Motion to continue. 33 00:02:22,210 --> 00:02:25,010 One for eight Washington Street to October 13th. 34 00:02:25,310 --> 00:02:25,830 Thank you. 35 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:26,130 Thank you. 36 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:27,190 Motion made in second. 37 00:02:27,370 --> 00:02:28,030 All those in favor? 38 00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:29,270 Any opposed? 39 00:02:29,270 --> 00:02:31,350 Alright, thank you. 40 00:02:34,770 --> 00:02:38,810 Next item on the agenda is the public hearing to consider the application 41 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:46,950 for McDonald's and I need to read the public hearing notice, right? Yep, it's in there 42 00:02:46,950 --> 00:02:54,570 and on the screen as well. So before you start talking. Okay, pursuant to the provisions 43 00:02:54,570 --> 00:02:59,370 of the Plainville Stormwater Management bylaw, the Plainville Conservation Commission will hold 44 00:02:59,370 --> 00:03:05,650 public hearing on September 22nd, 2026 at 530 p.m. at the Plainville Town Hall, 45 00:03:06,130 --> 00:03:11,670 190 South Street to consider the application of a McDonald's corporation for a land 46 00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:17,450 disturbance permit for nine taught in the street, Plainville Mass, and to provide any additional 47 00:03:17,450 --> 00:03:22,950 permits as maybe determined necessary during the public hearing for the work shown on the submitted 48 00:03:22,950 --> 00:03:29,030 plans. The applicant proposes rebuilding the existing restaurant with improvements to the site 49 00:03:29,030 --> 00:03:30,350 and stormwater management. 50 00:03:31,010 --> 00:03:34,170 The properties located on a Sussars map 10, parcel 11, 51 00:03:34,990 --> 00:03:37,230 a copy of the application is on file with the Office 52 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:40,610 of Conservation, and may be inspected during normal business 53 00:03:40,610 --> 00:03:42,310 hours, Monday to Thursday. 54 00:03:43,170 --> 00:03:45,550 Digital copies of the application may be requested 55 00:03:45,550 --> 00:03:49,270 by calling 508-576-8494. 56 00:03:49,930 --> 00:03:53,390 Any person interested or wishing to be heard regarding these 57 00:03:53,390 --> 00:03:56,230 applications should appear at the time and place designated. 58 00:04:00,420 --> 00:04:05,660 are have your presentation on a screen so just let me know when to switch 59 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:12,180 slides and okay. Sounds good. Thank you for having us here tonight. My name is 60 00:04:12,180 --> 00:04:17,100 Maggie Laircy. I'm with Lincoln Engineering and with me is Alex Brickett from 61 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:24,520 McDonald's Corporation. We're here tonight to seek approval for our project. It's 62 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,980 within the groundwater protection overlay district which triggers the 63 00:04:27,980 --> 00:04:30,660 stormwater land disturbance permit. 64 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,120 So the existing McDonald's restaurant is at nine taught in street. 65 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:42,060 It has been in that location, I think, since the late 60s, 70s. 66 00:04:43,940 --> 00:04:50,180 It is there for a former prototype when it was more of a restaurant style sit down. 67 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:57,500 So there's 67 parking spots and it doesn't really kind of fit the current model of the restaurant, 68 00:04:57,500 --> 00:05:02,300 which is more drive-through, mobile orders, that sort of thing. 69 00:05:03,060 --> 00:05:13,140 So our proposal is to remove the existing building and replace it with updated site circulation 70 00:05:13,140 --> 00:05:15,320 landscaping, stormwater management. 71 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,000 Did you go to the next slide please? 72 00:05:20,310 --> 00:05:27,430 So as I said, it's in the commercial shopping center, commercial district, groundwater protection 73 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:35,950 overlay. You see here is an existing area of the site, some photos from Google Maps. 74 00:05:36,630 --> 00:05:41,910 What I have circled in red on that plan are that two catch basins on site. The site generally 75 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:49,490 sheds water from the rear of it towards taunt and street. Some of it might get captured 76 00:05:49,490 --> 00:05:56,310 in those catch basins, but most of it flows undetained into the street with no treatment or 77 00:05:58,030 --> 00:05:59,990 retainage of any kind. 78 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:05,590 Yeah, so you can go to the next slide, TJ. 79 00:06:09,140 --> 00:06:17,860 So, what you see here is the proposed renovation and new site layout so that proposed 80 00:06:17,860 --> 00:06:22,060 building is about 4,000, a little over 4,000 square feet. 81 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:25,780 We're reducing the parking count to about 23 spaces. 82 00:06:25,780 --> 00:06:32,080 It's a double drive through which just helps with the efficiency of the site, and then we're 83 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:37,520 increasing the green space and landscape area by 15% 84 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,160 you can keep going to that next one. 85 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,680 It's probably more of what you guys are interested in. 86 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,600 So the grading and drainage plan is shown here. 87 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:58,280 There's really no significant changes in grading, we're not putting any retaining walls or 88 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:05,840 things, sites relatively flat as it is, but we are installing several catch basins or 89 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:13,580 with deep, some putted catch basins throughout to capture the stormwater and that will 90 00:07:13,580 --> 00:07:22,680 be rooted to water quality units and two infiltration systems. So on the western side of 91 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:28,880 say there's an open infiltration basin, it's about four feet deep. 92 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:46,000 And to the east side, there's underground infiltration chambers. These are, they're overflows are connected into the municipal system, but it's a significant decrease in the amount going there. 93 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:51,200 or the peak rates going, so that's a boost, the municipal system. 94 00:07:53,560 --> 00:08:00,720 We did recognize that the town of Plainville has their MS4 permit, which requires 80% 95 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:08,380 TSS removal and 50% total phosphorus removal for redevelopment, which we have met and actually 96 00:08:08,380 --> 00:08:13,820 the total phosphorus because we were able to do infiltration or proposing infiltration on 97 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:22,020 site, we are actually at 90% reduction because we're in the ground water or really districts 98 00:08:22,020 --> 00:08:30,360 and it's a zone two. It's considered a critical area through mass DEP standard so we designed 99 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:40,160 it for one inch water quality volume and met the required recharge and water quality treatment 100 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,180 through that requirement as well. 101 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,000 So the site reduces peak flows for every storm required. 102 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,920 I think you guys do the one, two, 25, be 1500. 103 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:02,160 But we reduced that those peak rates for every storm between 42 and 78%. 104 00:09:02,860 --> 00:09:08,040 I did notice that you guys require the analyzed peak volumes. 105 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,780 There is a slight increase between one and five percent for every storm, 106 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,500 but we are reducing 107 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:23,400 the peak rates and kind of the intent I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it's 108 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:30,560 to reduce chance of erosion and transport of sediment and pollutants, and I think this project 109 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:41,640 as designed really, it's a huge improvement for the site, so hoping we can work through that. 110 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:49,040 And I think that's kind of where I want to leave off and open it up to question any questions. 111 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:56,060 You have, we did submit to the peer reviewer a few weeks ago, and we haven't received 112 00:09:56,060 --> 00:10:06,000 They're later yet, but we present it to the planning board last night and we will be submitting to the board of health as well. 113 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,360 Did you get anyone to add anything? 114 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:13,280 I don't know, pretty much sums it up. 115 00:10:13,420 --> 00:10:16,580 Land disturbance, permit, no wetlands or anything. 116 00:10:17,740 --> 00:10:23,180 And like you said, we're waiting on the grave's peer review, which we'll cover the stormwater for here. 117 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:29,960 So I just want to clarify one of the comments that you made, you said initially I think 118 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,080 that most of the water currently runs towards the right amount of runs towards 119 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,840 time street and then you said to the properties most of the flat. 120 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:44,160 So is there any great changes going on or is just the addition of the catch basins for the water? 121 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:50,680 Yes, so there is some slight slight greeting, like you'll notice if you go to the existing 122 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:55,700 I, you know, the catch pieces, really set down a foot and a half from the existing great 123 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:56,340 end. 124 00:10:56,420 --> 00:10:57,920 Yeah, it was a trip on and every now and then. 125 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,920 Yeah, so here, can you zoom in a little on this? 126 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,920 So we are the proposed watershed plan for this is the site. 127 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:17,040 It's kind of split in half on either side of the building, so the water will shed to the catch 128 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:24,360 face and so the right and to the left before and really there isn't any that's going directly 129 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,680 to the street it's all routed into the site. 130 00:11:30,380 --> 00:11:30,660 All right. 131 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:31,660 Thank you for that. 132 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,380 Any other questions? 133 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,400 The Board of Health is pretty rigid on that peak volume so you better take another look at 134 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,080 that. 135 00:11:42,420 --> 00:11:43,020 The peak volumes? 136 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:43,640 Yes. 137 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:44,960 Okay. 138 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:49,430 So these are the handification. 139 00:11:49,630 --> 00:11:50,970 Bob is also on the Board of Health. 140 00:11:51,170 --> 00:11:51,490 Okay. 141 00:11:51,490 --> 00:11:57,790 That's what you see. We can see if we can. Yeah, we'll take another look at that. 142 00:12:06,950 --> 00:12:08,370 Any other questions in the comments? 143 00:12:10,110 --> 00:12:12,170 I have a question. How long is the construction in a big? 144 00:12:13,770 --> 00:12:18,090 I did the structure duration of approximately 120 days. That's what we target. 145 00:12:18,590 --> 00:12:23,550 Yeah, but it is instruction. The surprises do happen, so it's subject to change at 146 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:27,010 So 147 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:34,960 we're just continuing this to October 13th. 148 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:44,100 That or the following meeting, would you guys like we have a 13th or maybe 27th? 149 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,240 Yeah, 13th or 27th of October, the next two. 150 00:12:56,410 --> 00:13:00,330 We'd want to come back when we are able to respond, I think. 151 00:13:11,460 --> 00:13:13,900 I'm sorry, I'm sorry to the 27th. 152 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,480 All right. 153 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:22,360 I intend the motion to continue the McDonald's application to October 27th. 154 00:13:23,180 --> 00:13:26,360 Motion to continue the McDonald's application to October 27th. 155 00:13:28,180 --> 00:13:30,340 Second, motion made second and further discussion. 156 00:13:30,340 --> 00:13:36,360 All those in favor? I post. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. 157 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:47,580 Okay. Next item on the agenda is a correction to the order of conditions fits his words away. 158 00:13:48,940 --> 00:14:01,820 So I was in the process of getting all of our recent applications over to DEP for filing with them for decisions that were made here on OOCs and whatnot. 159 00:14:01,820 --> 00:14:09,220 And Tisbert's way was mistakenly given a DEP number in our files that actually belonged 160 00:14:09,220 --> 00:14:11,800 to 128 Washington Street. 161 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:18,400 And one Tisbert's way, the N.O.I. shouldn't have a DEP number because it doesn't get 162 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,160 filed with DEP. 163 00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:21,540 It was only the local wetlands by law. 164 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,540 And so DEP advised me how to do a correction. 165 00:14:26,420 --> 00:14:28,360 And so I have the correction to sign tonight. 166 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:38,860 It just whites out the top of the page where the DP number was, is this NA and then there's a heading under the title that says local permit only. 167 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:44,580 I can send that down towards either now or at the end of the meeting. 168 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,380 Just on the whole thing off. 169 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,360 So stick around a minute after. 170 00:14:49,460 --> 00:14:51,220 I can send that right down to be signed. 171 00:14:53,620 --> 00:14:54,980 Well that was nice and simple. 172 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,060 Yep. Any questions on that? 173 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:08,340 Distant administrative piece, luckily the applicant hadn't recorded it yet, so we'll get this corrected and they can pick it up and record. 174 00:15:37,460 --> 00:15:43,640 both zoning and conservation issues. We support for building commission as authority to act 175 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:49,340 in the town's best interest. And our discussion tonight is solely focused on the conservation 176 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:55,760 issue. The zoning issues are being addressed separately by the appropriate town boards and commissions. 177 00:15:56,540 --> 00:16:02,960 So just to reiterate, we're addressing the conservation item only in the enforcement order. 178 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,220 The generally accepted process is for a complaint to be filed with the Conservation Agent. 179 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,060 The Conservation Agent will include the complaint on the next meeting agenda and, at that meeting, 180 00:16:15,260 --> 00:16:18,680 the Conservation Agent will inform the Conservation Commission members. 181 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:26,700 Discuss the issues in the complaint and update the Conservation Commission if any investigation has been performed. 182 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:32,420 As appropriate, the Conservation Commission will discuss and investigate the issue, possibly 183 00:16:32,420 --> 00:16:36,800 including a sidewalk, and if warranted, the Conservation Commission will ratify the 184 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,720 decision and issue the enforcement letter. 185 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,300 Alternatively, the Conservation Commission members can raise concerns to the Conservation 186 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:48,500 agent directly that will be addressed and investigated in the same manner. 187 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:55,440 As examples in my recollection, there have been potentially three enforcement letter scenarios 188 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:01,400 in the past year or so that were addressed by the Conservation Commission. The first two were initiated 189 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,320 by neighbor complaints, whereas the third was initiated by the Conservation Commissioners. 190 00:17:07,420 --> 00:17:11,700 Once a year was the complaint filed for Hank Cox Street that argued that horsemenor was being dumped 191 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:16,860 too close to the riverfront. This complaint was investigated by the Plainville Conservation agent, 192 00:17:16,940 --> 00:17:21,020 which was Kevin at the time, and myself as Conservation Commission chair. 193 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:31,160 And if you remember, this is the project that the neighbor went directly to Mass TEP, so Mass TEP was involved with this as well. 194 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:41,800 Anyway, after investigation, it was determined that the no violations existed because the Minoa was more than 200 feet away from the riverfront, and known for what it was issued. 195 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,540 The second scenario was the complaint filed by a neighbor for Hawkins Street. 196 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,680 I think that everyone is aware that the enforcement letter was issued and the case is currently 197 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,060 being addressed in the courtroom. 198 00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:56,980 We actually went to discuss that on the agenda next. 199 00:17:58,060 --> 00:18:02,880 This I think was the most recent and if you remember there was a delay in issuing the letter 200 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,820 because we had not ratified the decision and we did go back and correct that. 201 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:16,500 The last scenario was for 65 fails, row, just to distinguish from 16 fails, row, when the conservation 202 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:22,180 commission members were noticed activity while investigating Hawkins Street, because the properties 203 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:23,000 are adjacent. 204 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:29,760 After reviewed discussion and ratification and enforcement letter was issued, in this case 205 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,580 on fails, row, the property owner is cooperating towards a resolution. 206 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,120 Unfortunately, the process was not followed for the enforcement letter that was issued for 207 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,920 So due to the fact that there was no complaint delivered to 208 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,520 discussed by investigated by or ratified by the 209 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,660 Conservation Commission regarding any wetland violations 210 00:18:53,660 --> 00:18:57,880 occurring at 439c cell street, no enforcement action 211 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,040 actually exists for this property from the Conservation Commission. 212 00:19:03,340 --> 00:19:10,100 Conservation agent TJ and I are still determining what form of 213 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:11,980 and C cell street property owner. 214 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:15,180 Of course, if anyone believes that wetland violations 215 00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:17,640 are occurring at 439 cell street, 216 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,800 then they are welcome to submit a complaint 217 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,160 that will be processed appropriately. 218 00:19:23,340 --> 00:19:25,800 Similarly, if anyone disagrees with this decision, 219 00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:28,380 they are more than welcome to appeal and talk to TJ. 220 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,280 That was just a statement that I put together 221 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,120 with TJ. 222 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:38,880 The process was not followed. 223 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:45,500 we never ratified any enforcement, the aforementioned enforcement exists at this point in time. 224 00:19:47,140 --> 00:19:53,260 That's sum it up. Yeah, Mr. Chair. Not that no violations exist. We're not saying that. We just 225 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:59,300 had, don't officially have an enforcement order that the commission is ratified. Thank you. I appreciate 226 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:05,800 the card of course. And again, just to reiterate, we are focused on the conservation issue. There were 227 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:12,180 multiple issues in that letter, the other issues are still being addressed by the appropriate 228 00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:13,080 town boards. 229 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,520 I just want to reclareify that. 230 00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:19,300 Does anybody have any questions or comments? 231 00:20:23,030 --> 00:20:28,070 The additional information is presented by a 232 00:20:33,030 --> 00:20:45,650 wetland specialist provided by the applicant that we provided our own investigation plan. 233 00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:54,390 So the Matt Mower report is in the record, so that has been submitted and included in the record. 234 00:20:55,090 --> 00:21:00,710 we have not done any investigation because at this point in time there is no 235 00:21:00,710 --> 00:21:02,750 complaint before us to investigate. 236 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,700 I mean I hate this on like I'm splitting 237 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:11,840 hairs but there's there's nothing for us to investigate because no complaint has 238 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,220 been submitted to us. That's why I'm reiterating if somebody thinks there are 239 00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:22,620 violations occurring they need to submit a complaint so that we have a reason to 240 00:21:22,620 --> 00:21:24,100 best to get. 241 00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:32,520 As it stands right now, again looking at the letter, we are out of the discussion 242 00:21:33,260 --> 00:21:39,160 for the wetland issue only. The appropriate time boards that are involved with the zoning 243 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,920 or other issues are addressing it. 244 00:21:47,730 --> 00:21:50,670 Any other questions or comments? 245 00:21:53,150 --> 00:21:53,610 Yes sir. 246 00:22:02,090 --> 00:22:04,170 Stanley, why that's so stupid. 247 00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:36,640 I have three little questions I would like to see if we can get some clarification on. 248 00:22:37,620 --> 00:22:40,780 So, who actually made the complaint? 249 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:48,080 I don't know if we have that information because the letter came directly from the building inspector. 250 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:54,800 We have to defer to him and he's not here, so Kevin Ballon. Kevin Ballon? 251 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,320 Yeah. There was no complaint actually filed by anyone. 252 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,420 It was during, well, there was zoning complaints files 253 00:23:02,420 --> 00:23:03,420 and then the building commission 254 00:23:03,420 --> 00:23:04,840 that was putting together his letter. 255 00:23:05,260 --> 00:23:07,780 He was reviewing the areas from different years 256 00:23:07,780 --> 00:23:12,180 and noticed there was some changes to the images around 257 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:15,000 where the mass map or had wetlands mark. 258 00:23:15,220 --> 00:23:19,780 So he approached Kevin, the conservation agent at the time, 259 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,140 and ended up including those in the letter. 260 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:34,800 And so I did hire a botanist, a specialist and we walked the entire property and it was 261 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,380 determined that there is no well in this year. 262 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:47,120 So the cost of that, who reimburses me on something like that and ask you to do it, so 263 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:47,500 nobody. 264 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:48,220 But 265 00:23:55,580 --> 00:24:03,400 he said the conservation, the town of Plainville, conservation agent, or are the buildings 266 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,120 back though? 267 00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:08,000 Usually if you want to spend money, you ask permission first, not spend the money and then 268 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,880 send this a bill. 269 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,380 Sorry? 270 00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:10,940 No appropriation. 271 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:11,720 No payment. 272 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:28,680 I do have the right to, I guess, sue the town if I had to, to recoup the money that was 273 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,080 spent. 274 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,560 No one asks you to do it. Nobody orders you to do it. 275 00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:32,860 Nobody orders you to do it. 276 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,780 Nobody orders somebody to put a complaint on a piece of property 277 00:24:37,460 --> 00:24:39,120 that you can tell us the complaint. 278 00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:41,840 Nobody asks you to prove anything. 279 00:24:44,660 --> 00:24:50,300 And so now going forward is very policy for complaints 280 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,500 if I have a complaint that I want to file. 281 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,400 Who do I have to see and how is that get done? 282 00:24:59,060 --> 00:25:06,280 So, as I just reviewed the complaint, if you or anybody has a complaint about any particular 283 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:12,880 issue or problem or property in town, you contact TJ as the conservation agent, he will 284 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,980 get the information that's required and then present that information and complaint to the 285 00:25:17,980 --> 00:25:24,040 board for the board to discuss, and it will be on the agenda for public knowledge. 286 00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:35,940 So I guess it goes back to, I guess at this point I wait for a letter as is that what the standing right now. 287 00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:48,040 So at this point between conversations that TG and I have had, we're not sure what the next step is as far as even, but a written acknowledgement needs to be sent to you, 288 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:55,000 essentially stating that the Wetlands violation is not in, you know, I'm going to use the term in existence. 289 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,600 I don't know if that's the appropriate term on the table. 290 00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:00,080 No, there's no longer on the table. 291 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,500 But there's no longer on the table. 292 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,640 Okay. Thank you. 293 00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:06,940 All right. Thank you. 294 00:26:11,410 --> 00:26:13,050 Any other questions or comments? 295 00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:18,210 All right. 296 00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:23,170 So then the next item is 41 Hawkins Street Enforcement. 297 00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:26,260 We got an update. 298 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:33,900 We do, Mr. Chair. There is, as the complaint has been filed with the court, and a hearing 299 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:39,820 is scheduled on the town's motion for a preliminary injunction is scheduled for September 300 00:26:39,820 --> 00:26:46,400 30th at 2 p.m. in the Norfolk Superior Court in Dettum. I will be attending along with the 301 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,750 Board of Health Director, and I believe the building commissioner as well. 302 00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:53,530 So, I'm sorry, what was that date again? 303 00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:55,150 September 30th. 304 00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:56,710 Oh, next Wednesday. 305 00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:11,880 So, do you need anything? 306 00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:15,120 I mean, you've got all the files, and so, 307 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:20,500 I know that at one point at a minimum Kevin and I, 308 00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:21,700 because it predated you, 309 00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:23,840 spoke to your town council, 310 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,540 just that this might be happening, 311 00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:29,500 and he kind of told us to be prepared. 312 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,320 So, as far as, you know, it's just the three of you 313 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:39,060 that are going to. Yeah. I'm not looking to be included. Believe me. Yeah, the three of us will be there 314 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:43,300 and working with town council on preparing for it. Okay. 315 00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:47,700 Well, thank you for representing the town. Of course. 316 00:27:47,740 --> 00:27:53,740 Yes, if you have any questions prior to that way of preparing, please don't hesitate to call. Okay. And the property owner 317 00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:57,580 is still not been responsive to. Right. Right. 318 00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:00,390 Okay. 319 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,860 So while we're on the topic of enforcement, 320 00:28:05,860 --> 00:28:14,120 not for tonight. But can I ask you to just get an update on 65 fields road in the next 321 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,680 one or two meetings as time permits? 322 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,120 That's only the one that's up. I mean that guy has been 323 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:29,200 very cooperative. He made some plantings that unfortunately died and he had some delays built in 324 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:35,280 and I know we extended his timeline. But he has shown up and been very cooperative. He's working 325 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,000 a lot with Kevin Diraclet. So if you can just get an update, just to know where things stand. 326 00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:43,920 Yep, sure. All right. I appreciate it. Thank you. 327 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,100 All right, agent update. 328 00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:51,630 I don't have any updates. 329 00:28:52,290 --> 00:29:00,730 I can think of running right through this meeting. I like it. All right, meeting minutes of August 25th. 330 00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:06,890 Just so everybody knows, I read them initially. It said that don't open the meeting, but in this 331 00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:11,750 I was there, so I didn't make an update that I, over the meeting, not on. 332 00:29:12,010 --> 00:29:16,230 Over the grant, entertain the motion to accept the meeting minutes of 825. 333 00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:19,170 Most of them accept the meeting minutes of 825. 334 00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:21,250 Okay. 335 00:29:21,370 --> 00:29:22,410 Motion made in second. 336 00:29:22,910 --> 00:29:23,550 You further discussion? 337 00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:24,430 All those in favor? 338 00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:25,350 Aye. 339 00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:25,730 A post. 340 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,840 The next item on the agenda is the minutes for 98, which was sent out. 341 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,240 I don't know if you want to take five minutes. 342 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,460 There are only two projects that were both continued. 343 00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:49,220 So I don't know, people, maybe while we sign that document, people can read the minutes and we can approve these instead of delaying that because there's no reason to the way or to continue. 344 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:50,760 I think- 345 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,960 It's- 346 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,060 They were sent out earlier. 347 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,080 They were also included in their private opinion. 348 00:29:58,300 --> 00:29:59,740 They were sent out earlier. 349 00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:04,650 I just seem to get it done. 350 00:30:06,550 --> 00:30:11,670 I'm going to sign up the red tab, the signature page. 351 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,140 And this is the two originals? 352 00:30:28,820 --> 00:30:30,400 Yes, two originals. 353 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,180 You ready? 354 00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:47,260 Oh, yeah. 355 00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:02,160 Where am I signing? 356 00:31:03,140 --> 00:31:04,160 With a red tab, sir. 357 00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:20,130 The same document, just two originals. 358 00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:48,000 Oh, yeah. 359 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,400 Let's try. 360 00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:16,490 The last thing that I wanted to discuss, 361 00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:22,830 I sent out the land inventory sheet to everybody again via email 362 00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:28,190 I don't think that's been updated since 2023 363 00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:36,490 I don't know if there is a process or responsibility for somebody to maintain that or if that was just something Chris was doing 364 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:42,690 I don't know if that's something you can find out and figure out or what we need to do 365 00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:46,910 Again, I'm not trying to build these on top of people, leave me, 366 00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:54,190 but if there's any way we can or should update that. 367 00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:56,270 So again, TJ and I were talking earlier. 368 00:33:57,310 --> 00:34:00,490 For example, I was looking for Haynes Road, Haynes Road is not on the list. 369 00:34:01,530 --> 00:34:10,530 If you look at the spreadsheet, I think the first four items all have the same reference point between 495 and Lake Miramishi. 370 00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:26,430 So I don't know if we can clarify those in any way or update them, but I'd like to start using them as a reference to maybe start doing some hikes again, not that the weather's cool, hopefully the ticks have gone back to bed, maybe we can do some hiking if anybody's interested. 371 00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:32,230 I was talking to CJ, I was likely to do Haynes Road just to kind of get that back up on the 372 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:35,430 priority level, because I know it's falling off. 373 00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:42,690 I had a selfish interest of doing Telford Park, that land behind there, but I know you told me 374 00:34:42,690 --> 00:34:46,030 that that was mostly North Out of our land, so I don't know if we can even do anything. 375 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:53,070 But if people can review this spreadsheet, please, and just start making updates there, or 376 00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:56,290 ask for updates and we'll figure out how we get it updated. 377 00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:59,670 maybe it becomes a conservation chair responsibility. 378 00:35:00,610 --> 00:35:03,770 Yeah, no, I can, I mean, I can certainly work on getting it up to date. 379 00:35:04,450 --> 00:35:06,590 It's just the knowledge of different things. 380 00:35:06,670 --> 00:35:08,190 So if you know of something that's wrong, 381 00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:11,030 you know, needs to be updated past along to me. 382 00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:13,510 I have a binder of course. 383 00:35:13,890 --> 00:35:15,770 Yeah, I don't know if it makes sense to everybody else. 384 00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:16,230 Yep. 385 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:20,430 I also have a binder full of all the easements that Chris helped put together 386 00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:23,990 for, you know, the ability to walk through different places 387 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:29,170 and different conservation restricted areas that we may not own. 388 00:35:29,830 --> 00:35:32,130 So there's a list of easements in that spreadsheet. 389 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:35,970 Other than that, can please be verified until you're a list. 390 00:35:36,250 --> 00:35:36,470 I don't know. 391 00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:38,310 Yeah, cross-check it. 392 00:35:39,350 --> 00:35:43,230 But yeah, I don't know that it's a legal responsibility as much as a best practice. 393 00:35:43,390 --> 00:35:44,870 I know places I've worked before. 394 00:35:45,490 --> 00:35:47,190 You see a piece of land, the town of City Hills. 395 00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:48,890 Like, oh, why don't we just sell this? 396 00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:50,130 No, no, no. 397 00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:50,510 Wait a minute. 398 00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:55,010 You did a deed research and it was deited to the town or given to the town with a permanent 399 00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:58,390 restriction so you have to have to know these things. 400 00:36:00,830 --> 00:36:01,290 Okay. 401 00:36:01,870 --> 00:36:06,630 Entertainment motion to approve the meeting minutes of September 8th. 402 00:36:06,730 --> 00:36:09,430 Motion to approve meeting minutes of September 8th. 403 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:10,390 Okay. 404 00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:10,790 Thank you. 405 00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:11,770 Motion is made in second. 406 00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:12,730 All those in favour? 407 00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:13,530 All right. 408 00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:14,130 Any post? 409 00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:17,930 All right. 410 00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:21,670 Anybody have anything else to want to bring up? 411 00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:26,460 All right. 412 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:31,820 entertain a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Second. Thank you. Motion to be 413 00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:37,480 making second. All of us in favor. Any pose? All right. Thank you all very much. Thank you for 414 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:37,700 attending.