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Good evening, everyone.

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And welcome to the extra planning board meeting of Thursday.

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August 27th, 26th.

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At 6:30 PM for a few minutes late.

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Apologize for that.

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I won't have candy and popcorn next time.

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In the Noack room and town office building located at 10 front street, actually

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New Hampshire.

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To consider the following.

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Before we do that, though, we will introduce the board and I have each

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board member.

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Introduced himself.

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So I'm lying plumber.

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And I'm chair of the extra board into my left.

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Gwen English, regular member.

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Nancy Valant luck for representative.

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Sam McLeod alternate.

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And Jen Martel,

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Marty Kennedy.

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Ryan Kelly alternate.

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Okay now let's see.

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We supposed to have John on.

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Screen this evening and

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Alan.

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So let's see what's happening here.

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Well, you can check the participants.

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Elaine might not be, cuz she.

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Just left.

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Yeah, that's true.

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So,

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no one's online right now.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So

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we're having our second, we're starting this evening's meeting.

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With the second public hearing public hearing.

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On the 27th, 23 capital improvement program.

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C I P

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projects as presented by the town departments.

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Copies of the proposed documents will be available in the planning department office.

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Prior to the meeting.

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And we, so this is the second.

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Hearing for the capital improvement plan.

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We haven't read it.

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It'll put your sleep quickly, but it's very interesting material.

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In that it projects capital improvements over the next.

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Five years.

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And that happens every year.

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So we always.

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Move ahead.

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To try to help balance expenditures.

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And allow it really is the beginning of the, of the bed, meaning pro

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making process.

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Each year.

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So August is that beginning month and Exeter.

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So Dave, do you.

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Want to

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sure.

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Thank you.

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Yes.At the last meeting you had all the department heads.

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Yes.

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Present all their proposals and you have the draft capital improvement program.

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Mm-hmm in front of you.

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And you had a chance to ask questions, the department heads and so forth

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Tonight's meeting is for an opportunity.

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For the public to weigh in on any of that, historically you've had, you

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know, the two meetings you have the department head meetings where they present everything

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and then you hold the public hearing.

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At the subsequent meeting or this meeting tonight.

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And tonight is to hear from the public.

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And then if you so choose, take action on.

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The capital improvement program, because you are the board that adopts it.

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Mm-hmm you do not fund it.

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You, that is for others to fund.

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Yeah, you're just saying.

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Okay, this is what we believe the capital improvement program for the next six

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years should, should be.

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And you usually write a transmittal letter.

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And that's usually the chair, but if you, I, I always recommend if you

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have an op, if you want to highlight something in the plan, if you

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have something specific that you, you know, if you feel.

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Is a priority or multiple priorities.

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This is your chance tonight.

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To add that to the transmittal letter, because when once adopted.

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We send it off to the budget review committee that reviews it and the

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select board.

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And, and then ultimately the voters and that's who decides what, you know, the

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funding on it.

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So.

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If you have anything to add to the transmittal letter, if not, we just

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do the, kind of the generic transmittal letter to say, you know, on, on

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this meeting, we reviewed it.

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We agree with.

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You know, support the capital improvement plan as presented.

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That being the case.

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Are there any.

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Particular items.

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That has caught your attention,

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Gwen, one really quick question.

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In the minutes there was.

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A comment about the Clemson pond.

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Tide gates and Mr. Cronan was going.

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To maybe update us on.

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In the minutes.

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I don't know.

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You said noted, there will be an inspection tomorrow when he would have more

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information.

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I just wondered if there were any follow ups to that.

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I don't know, it's not a big deal.

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We don't have that information today.

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That's fine.

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So we can come back with it if needed.

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Yeah, that's fine.

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Okay.

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I just was curious.

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Anybody else?

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Quiet crowd here, anybody from the public wish to.

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Question.

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If I had comments regarding this plan, sir.

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Please introduce yourself.

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So

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we know who's speaking and our viewers at home.

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Good evening,

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mark Furlong.

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24th street.

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I wanted to make a couple comments about.

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The capital improvement program.

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First of all, it's, it's a lot of work that goes into that.

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I appreciate the work by.

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The department heads and town manager's office and other staff.

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I know it's required by state statute.

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Glad happy to see that exit.

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It takes it seriously.

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Not every town does that.

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And then the second thing is I, I was one person that spoke up

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after last election.

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At a select board meeting about.

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The rapid increase in property taxes.

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Taxes.And one thing I suggested was to.

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Pump the brakes a little bit on some items in the, in the C

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I P and I, I think there is some evidence of that and I

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I appreciate that.

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I wasn't here at your last meeting, but I did watch it.

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Mm-hmm and I did pick up a copy and I've reviewed it.

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And I think it's a, it's a good document.

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But the main reason I came tonight.

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Is for an item that's not in the C I P.

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And I didn't really expect it to be, I guess, this year.

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Some of you may be aware.

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That we've

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formed a

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community group, a neighborhood group in the.

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Park street, Oak street, neighborhood to advocate for the park street bridge.

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Where for the status and condition.

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And we're happy to see the, that.

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It is starting to get some attention.

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We've been doing a lot of research around the bridge.

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And one part of that research, I found that.

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The

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replacement of the park street bridge appeared in the.

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2007.

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10 year, New Hampshire, D O T.

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T highway improvement.

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Plan

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and it appeared in the next four cycles.

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Cycles and my question, and I'm not sure.

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This probably predates just about everybody that's involved at this point,

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but I.

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I'm wondering,

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it seemed like, would make sense that the bridge would've been put into the

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C I P.

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And once it was identified for potential funding.

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From

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D O T back in.

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From between 2007 and.

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I think it was 2015.

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So

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I may be incorrect, but I think the bridge belongs to the railroad.

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As the crossings are their responsibility.

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That that is up for debate at the moment.

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Okay.

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They are claiming ownership and that's being research.

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Researched by the town.

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Yeah.

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But

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there, there was an agreement for the town to take over the bridge back

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in the early two thousands, which was apparently never.

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Completed,

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but somewhere along the line, somebody got the idea that the state.

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Was gonna work with the town and replace it and put it in the

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10 year plan.

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Then it, and then it disappeared.

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So,

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I don't know if anybody has any history about that.

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So,

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no.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Keep asking your questions.

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.

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And thank you for coming this evening.

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Anybody else?

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All right.

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Well,

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I think perhaps we're ready to.

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Accept and forward the plan.

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So now

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we need a motion for that.

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Yeah, you can move to adopt the 20, 27 to 2032 capital improvement program.

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As presented or with the following revisions, however, you'd like, yep.

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Well, let's see.

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Now I got a point some alternates here.

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Sammy you're acting and

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you're acting around it.

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Afternoon, you're acting as well.

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Brian.

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So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7.

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You've got seven.

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So everyone's acting magic seven.

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Okay.

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So Sam, you look like you're ready to make a motion.

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yes, sir.

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I was just.

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Mr chairman, I'd like to make a motion.

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That we approve the

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C I P for 2027 through 2032.

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As presented to the planning board.

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Thank you.

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Is there a second?

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Not all one second.

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Okay.

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.

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Any discussion on that?

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We need a hand vote or voice vote or.

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Let's do a hand, vote those in favor, please raise your right hand.

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Hold supposed

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abstentions.

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That would be me as select board member.

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I have to vote on this later on down the way, so, okay.

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Can't you can't stack your deck.

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Okay, good.

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Thank you.

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Thank.

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You

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so be it.

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And thank you again as.

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You have banked all the department heads.

273
00:23:40,033 --> 00:23:42,033
The time and effort and the, and they're good folks.

274
00:23:43,066 --> 00:23:44,000
To put this together.

275
00:23:44,266 --> 00:23:44,533
So.

276
00:23:45,333 --> 00:23:45,500
That's good.

277
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:46,166
Thanks.

278
00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:47,100
All right.

279
00:23:50,066 --> 00:23:51,433
Hey, we're adjourned until seven.

280
00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:53,500
Yeah, that's right.

281
00:23:53,667 --> 00:23:54,100
We can't.

282
00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:56,867
We got another 10 minutes to talk to each other, get a cup of

283
00:23:56,867 --> 00:23:57,066
water.

284
00:23:57,333 --> 00:23:57,433
.

285
00:23:59,266 --> 00:23:59,667
Oh, good.

286
00:23:59,667 --> 00:24:00,634
I can get organized.

287
00:24:01,066 --> 00:24:01,166
Okay.

288
00:24:02,433 --> 00:24:03,000
Okay now.

289
00:24:04,634 --> 00:24:05,333
I just realized

290
00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:07,033
the eye grabbed.

291
00:24:08,367 --> 00:24:10,166
I don't think I've ever been this close to the chair.

292
00:24:10,734 --> 00:24:11,500
Oh, ,

293
00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:13,634
that's why I'm feeling so warmed.

294
00:24:13,667 --> 00:24:14,567
I'm getting a little nervous.

295
00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:16,100
You get too close.

296
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:16,300
You're gonna.

297
00:24:16,767 --> 00:24:16,767
Get elected.

298
00:24:19,066 --> 00:24:19,900
You may be looking for a new cook.

299
00:24:20,166 --> 00:24:20,433
Yes,

300
00:24:21,066 --> 00:24:21,533
it's not.

301
00:24:22,467 --> 00:24:23,300
Let's not get me ideas.

302
00:24:24,367 --> 00:24:24,734
How long?

303
00:24:25,133 --> 00:24:25,433
Oh, dear.

304
00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:27,867
I'm glad I didn't.

305
00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:35,433
You're gonna wait.

306
00:24:39,533 --> 00:24:40,734
I can see you got it or not.

307
00:24:41,033 --> 00:24:41,300
You

308
00:24:42,066 --> 00:24:42,867
there's problem.

309
00:24:43,634 --> 00:24:44,900
Since I can really use it.

310
00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:48,266
Okay.

311
00:24:49,333 --> 00:24:49,500
How was the family?

312
00:24:51,033 --> 00:24:51,634
You're good.

313
00:24:51,767 --> 00:24:53,000
I emailed, I emailed him a minute.

314
00:24:54,934 --> 00:24:55,133
Not yet.

315
00:24:56,767 --> 00:24:57,333
Not yet start Monday and Wednesday.

316
00:24:57,900 --> 00:24:58,066
Okay.

317
00:24:59,867 --> 00:25:02,734
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344
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six and 22.

345
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:08,000
Oh.

346
00:35:09,433 --> 00:35:11,634
We have minutes to approve and I'm not sure.

347
00:35:12,767 --> 00:35:14,000
How does the board feel about it?

348
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,166
Have we got enough people here to.

349
00:35:16,166 --> 00:35:17,100
That were here for the meeting to.

350
00:35:18,667 --> 00:35:20,533
August 13th, 20, 26.

351
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:23,133
I was not here.

352
00:35:24,166 --> 00:35:24,266
Oh, okay.

353
00:35:26,467 --> 00:35:27,033
Oh, Marty was, and

354
00:35:27,767 --> 00:35:28,667
I was, I was.

355
00:35:29,934 --> 00:35:32,133
You were, yeah, you he's gonna, yes, you were.

356
00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:36,900
I didn't see, I didn't find anything.

357
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:38,066
Did you mark?

358
00:35:38,266 --> 00:35:38,667
I, I have one.

359
00:35:38,667 --> 00:35:39,433
No, I I'm just one.

360
00:35:39,533 --> 00:35:40,066
I have one too here.

361
00:35:40,066 --> 00:35:40,767
Marty's here.

362
00:35:41,033 --> 00:35:41,734
Martin's got one.

363
00:35:43,333 --> 00:35:44,734
Marty has one, just one.

364
00:35:44,867 --> 00:35:45,100
Oh.

365
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,433
So Marty

366
00:35:48,133 --> 00:35:48,500
line.

367
00:35:49,533 --> 00:35:52,867
1 42, right at the, at the end of the sentence.

368
00:35:52,934 --> 00:35:53,133
Sorry.

369
00:35:54,133 --> 00:35:58,300
Says, we try to keep the, it should say high it's missing an H

370
00:35:59,066 --> 00:36:00,100
Hi volume that a aye.

371
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:00,300
Yeah.

372
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:01,634
Good catch.

373
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:02,133
That's it.

374
00:36:04,233 --> 00:36:04,500
Yay.

375
00:36:07,433 --> 00:36:08,500
Oh, that's a biggie, Daniel.

376
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:11,333
Any others?

377
00:36:11,667 --> 00:36:12,867
No, I don't have any,

378
00:36:13,533 --> 00:36:14,100
I've got one Lincoln.

379
00:36:14,567 --> 00:36:14,900
Okay.

380
00:36:15,934 --> 00:36:16,266
In line.

381
00:36:17,333 --> 00:36:20,667
2 28, 2 28 or 2 29, 2 29.

382
00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:21,033
Sorry.

383
00:36:22,533 --> 00:36:23,100
Wait a minute.

384
00:36:23,066 --> 00:36:23,367
I don't.

385
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,867
I just water.

386
00:36:25,367 --> 00:36:25,734
Nope.

387
00:36:26,667 --> 00:36:26,667
Two

388
00:36:27,233 --> 00:36:29,433
20 August 13th leading max.

389
00:36:29,934 --> 00:36:30,033
Yes,

390
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:31,900
there's no nine.

391
00:36:32,233 --> 00:36:33,767
It only goes to 2228.

392
00:36:33,867 --> 00:36:34,266
The last line.

393
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:37,367
Huh I'm seeing in the oh.

394
00:36:38,467 --> 00:36:38,734
Oh, I'm sorry.

395
00:36:38,734 --> 00:36:39,533
That's the third.

396
00:36:40,066 --> 00:36:43,333
I was looking at the mid, we didn't review the minutes from the seven

397
00:36:43,767 --> 00:36:44,033
seven,

398
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,033
so we just have to do that one still.

399
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:46,367
So that's right.

400
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,333
Okay.

401
00:36:48,033 --> 00:36:48,634
Save that one.

402
00:36:48,634 --> 00:36:49,000
Okay.

403
00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:49,567
yeah.

404
00:36:51,233 --> 00:36:51,567
Okay.

405
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,066
I need a motion, please.

406
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:55,166
I move to accept the.

407
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,166
Draft the meeting minutes from August 13th, 2026 as amended.

408
00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:01,367
Thank you.

409
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,033
Move the seconded.

410
00:37:03,834 --> 00:37:05,166
Tell us in a favor, please indicate saying aye.

411
00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:05,533
Aye.

412
00:37:05,667 --> 00:37:05,900
Aye.

413
00:37:06,333 --> 00:37:08,367
Opposed abstentions abstain.

414
00:37:08,634 --> 00:37:09,066
One abstention.

415
00:37:09,467 --> 00:37:09,834
Okay.

416
00:37:13,066 --> 00:37:14,500
All righty now let's see.

417
00:37:18,033 --> 00:37:21,066
Continuation of public hearing for the application of.

418
00:37:22,133 --> 00:37:24,266
Jake Hasley associates for the site plan review.

419
00:37:25,133 --> 00:37:27,567
Of the proposed demolition of existing dry cleaning building.

420
00:37:28,367 --> 00:37:31,266
And proposed development of a four-story building 22.

421
00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:33,033
Room hotel.

422
00:37:34,467 --> 00:37:35,767
No, no. That's

423
00:37:36,767 --> 00:37:38,033
that's outta sync with the new proposal.

424
00:37:39,066 --> 00:37:42,734
Consists of 12 unit residential building with commercial uses on the first floor.

425
00:37:43,133 --> 00:37:44,667
It's back to the original one.

426
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:45,066
Yes.

427
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:45,634
Okay.

428
00:37:45,734 --> 00:37:46,900
I'm just reading what's here.

429
00:37:47,233 --> 00:37:47,834
I understand that.

430
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:48,066
Okay.

431
00:37:49,533 --> 00:37:51,133
So, and that's pine board.

432
00:37:52,166 --> 00:37:55,367
Well, let's see projects in the C2 highway commercial zoning district.

433
00:37:56,166 --> 00:37:56,367
Excuse me

434
00:37:57,767 --> 00:37:59,166
and identified as tax map.

435
00:38:00,066 --> 00:38:01,367
65 dash 1 25.

436
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:06,066
And is planning our favorite buying board case number 26 dash three.

437
00:38:07,266 --> 00:38:09,066
Do you have anything to start us off, Dave?

438
00:38:09,066 --> 00:38:10,667
Because you said you were gonna do some more.

439
00:38:11,634 --> 00:38:11,767
Reviewing.

440
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,266
Yes, I am good that this was reviewed by the planning board

441
00:38:17,033 --> 00:38:19,166
for a while and like, well, similar proposal.

442
00:38:20,033 --> 00:38:23,500
Under a month, but then mixed use the state law zoning changes.

443
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,567
And now they're coming in not under a month.

444
00:38:25,634 --> 00:38:27,734
So those provisions, most of those provisions.

445
00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:30,867
No. Well, they, the MUN provisions do not apply. Mm-hmm

446
00:38:31,433 --> 00:38:33,433
they are going under the zoning under a mixed use.

447
00:38:33,533 --> 00:38:34,133
So they're back.

448
00:38:34,166 --> 00:38:34,867
So it's this.

449
00:38:35,634 --> 00:38:38,567
Similar proposal, they did they'll address it, but they did,

450
00:38:39,133 --> 00:38:39,500
you know,

451
00:38:40,767 --> 00:38:41,767
make some revisions.

452
00:38:42,667 --> 00:38:45,867
In response to the eight, 13 planning board.

453
00:38:46,867 --> 00:38:47,300
And I'll let them

454
00:38:49,133 --> 00:38:50,133
describe what those changes are.

455
00:38:51,233 --> 00:38:53,300
I did, you know, in the event the board gets there.

456
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:55,433
I do have suggested conditions of approval.

457
00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:58,133
Should the board decide to take action in that way?

458
00:38:58,467 --> 00:38:59,100
This evening?

459
00:38:59,634 --> 00:39:00,066
Okay, thank you.

460
00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:00,667
Okay.

461
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:03,000
Great good evening.

462
00:39:05,066 --> 00:39:06,667
So we're back after a couple of months

463
00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:08,900
to accommodate the summer schedule.

464
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:11,367
And the time

465
00:39:12,367 --> 00:39:14,100
we amended our application.

466
00:39:15,066 --> 00:39:15,166
Based on

467
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:18,033
feedback from the board and also from.

468
00:39:19,033 --> 00:39:20,734
A couple of the abutters that have been.

469
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:22,767
Here throughout this entire process.

470
00:39:24,033 --> 00:39:25,500
In that time, there was a.

471
00:39:26,467 --> 00:39:28,100
Change in the state law regarding how.

472
00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:32,100
Commercial zones interacts with residential uses.

473
00:39:33,133 --> 00:39:35,033
Uses and I believe we've now,

474
00:39:36,133 --> 00:39:36,567
we're now.

475
00:39:37,333 --> 00:39:39,867
Proposing the least intrusive use possible.

476
00:39:40,934 --> 00:39:42,667
On this property while complying with.

477
00:39:43,433 --> 00:39:44,333
The underlying CT zone.

478
00:39:45,734 --> 00:39:47,100
All that Christian go through.

479
00:39:48,033 --> 00:39:48,166
The specifics

480
00:39:48,934 --> 00:39:52,300
not much has changed on the plan set mm-hmm that you saw last

481
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:52,533
time.

482
00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:55,867
We had spoken in theory about.

483
00:39:57,634 --> 00:39:58,567
Modifying an

484
00:39:59,433 --> 00:40:01,433
aisle in the back a mulch bed, we were calling it.

485
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,000
We had at the last hearing, talked about not doing that.

486
00:40:05,066 --> 00:40:07,900
This plan shows that the amended plan shows that so.

487
00:40:08,767 --> 00:40:11,100
That's the only substantive change on the exterior, really.

488
00:40:11,266 --> 00:40:12,734
And again, electrician go through that.

489
00:40:13,533 --> 00:40:13,767
Before I do.

490
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:17,533
I have a letter here from.

491
00:40:18,533 --> 00:40:22,266
Chris Hilton at, from DTC on behalf of Ariel.

492
00:40:23,133 --> 00:40:24,333
The margaritas lot owners.

493
00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:29,133
It was emailed to me and also to the planning department at five 13

494
00:40:29,166 --> 00:40:29,567
today.

495
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:33,767
To paraphrase and I'll, I'll read it into the record if that's okay.

496
00:40:34,033 --> 00:40:34,133
Sure.

497
00:40:34,133 --> 00:40:35,033
But to paraphrase

498
00:40:35,567 --> 00:40:36,166
essentially.

499
00:40:37,266 --> 00:40:38,300
The folks over our

500
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,266
yep.

501
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,100
The folks at R E L have withdrawn.

502
00:40:43,066 --> 00:40:45,066
All of their objections to this application.

503
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:47,634
And they also now are voicing

504
00:40:48,166 --> 00:40:49,433
support for the application.

505
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:50,367
So

506
00:40:51,033 --> 00:40:54,066
I think that's good news for the applicant and the city.

507
00:40:55,066 --> 00:40:57,100
If I could read this into the record, I think that might be the

508
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,333
quickest way to please do it, do this.

509
00:40:58,367 --> 00:41:00,066
And again, it is in metal.

510
00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:02,000
Save my birth in, in Dawn's email.

511
00:41:02,266 --> 00:41:03,100
okay.

512
00:41:03,433 --> 00:41:07,100
So dear chair plumber, as you'll recall, this office represents

513
00:41:07,734 --> 00:41:11,266
WJP development, LLC, which serves as manager of 75 Portsmouth Ave.

514
00:41:11,834 --> 00:41:15,734
Exter in New Hampshire on behalf of its ownership team throughout the deliberations on this

515
00:41:15,734 --> 00:41:19,667
application and a prior similar application, this office on behalf of the owners of

516
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,533
75 Portsmouth Ave expressed certain concerns relative to the application.

517
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,100
Of course, the application has changed over time, including principally the parking demands of

518
00:41:28,367 --> 00:41:31,834
The proposed development, my clients understand the parking will be confined to the subject

519
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:35,000
property under the current iteration of the application and supporting plans.

520
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,567
Plans against that backdrop.

521
00:41:36,667 --> 00:41:40,734
My client's respectfully submit this letter to inform the board that their concerns regarding

522
00:41:40,734 --> 00:41:43,133
the proposed development have been reasonably met by the applicant.

523
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,433
And as such their various objections are respectfully withdrawn.

524
00:41:47,233 --> 00:41:50,333
In light of the amendments to the application and the proposed uses and configurations

525
00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:54,634
reflected in the plan set with the latest revision date of August 8th, 2026.

526
00:41:55,133 --> 00:41:55,166
My.

527
00:41:55,634 --> 00:41:58,300
Client's cast their support of the relief sought in this application.

528
00:41:59,066 --> 00:42:02,033
As always, if you have any questions or concerns regarding the foregoing, please feel

529
00:42:02,033 --> 00:42:04,033
free to contact me at our Exeter office.

530
00:42:06,066 --> 00:42:06,066
Very truly yours, Christopher.Hi.

531
00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:07,066
Hilson.

532
00:42:08,066 --> 00:42:08,333
So

533
00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:10,100
with that.I'll let Christian

534
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:11,734
talk through the plan.

535
00:42:12,066 --> 00:42:12,367
Okay.

536
00:42:13,133 --> 00:42:16,000
Traffic good evening, Mr. Chairman members of the board

537
00:42:16,734 --> 00:42:17,166
for the record.

538
00:42:17,266 --> 00:42:19,567
My name is Kristen Smith engineer with Beals associates.

539
00:42:20,567 --> 00:42:22,000
Associates representing the applicant on this project.

540
00:42:23,066 --> 00:42:23,066
And

541
00:42:23,934 --> 00:42:25,667
Josh is, is quite correct.

542
00:42:25,667 --> 00:42:28,100
There was very little change to the exterior.

543
00:42:29,133 --> 00:42:30,667
Aside from making all the plans.

544
00:42:31,834 --> 00:42:33,033
Plans depict the correct.

545
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:35,367
And non disturbing.

546
00:42:36,333 --> 00:42:37,367
Back travel ways

547
00:42:38,133 --> 00:42:38,734
to that.

548
00:42:39,834 --> 00:42:40,100
Landscape island,

549
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:41,867
which is largely.

550
00:42:42,667 --> 00:42:44,634
On the, on the Needham bank property.

551
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:48,667
We have gone through this revision with the,

552
00:42:49,266 --> 00:42:50,133
the fire inspector.

553
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,433
He is, he is very happy with it.

554
00:42:53,567 --> 00:42:58,133
What this change in use we feel does is addresses the issues that were

555
00:42:58,133 --> 00:42:58,667
brought up.

556
00:42:59,634 --> 00:43:00,333
By some of the abutters

557
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,533
specific to the transient nature of hotel use.

558
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:09,133
The intention at this time is for these apartments to be sold.

559
00:43:10,467 --> 00:43:12,100
And in that you will have.

560
00:43:13,133 --> 00:43:15,266
Residents very similar to residents at the Manor.

561
00:43:16,166 --> 00:43:18,100
The bottom floor will have two.

562
00:43:19,066 --> 00:43:21,333
Different roughly 1200 square foot.

563
00:43:23,066 --> 00:43:23,734
Commercial spaces.

564
00:43:25,133 --> 00:43:27,033
We do not know who those users are gonna be.

565
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:29,867
Who's going to occupy those commercial spaces, but.

566
00:43:30,667 --> 00:43:34,333
Very likely, you know, it will be office or retail or something along those

567
00:43:34,333 --> 00:43:34,667
lines.

568
00:43:35,533 --> 00:43:37,634
We, we did our parking calculations.

569
00:43:38,667 --> 00:43:41,900
Based on professional office and a retail.

570
00:43:42,867 --> 00:43:43,567
For roughly half of each

571
00:43:44,266 --> 00:43:44,533
and.

572
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,900
We still now another point that I wanted to add.

573
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:49,900
Is,

574
00:43:50,634 --> 00:43:54,033
I don't believe this the new state law requires you to have.

575
00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:59,100
Visitor spaces, quote unquote, but we accounted for those in our parking calculations simply

576
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:01,066
because the exit ordinance discusses that.

577
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,100
And does require that.

578
00:44:03,867 --> 00:44:06,066
And even with that and the commercial space.

579
00:44:06,867 --> 00:44:09,667
We now have a surplus of three spaces, which.

580
00:44:10,667 --> 00:44:13,033
Would not be needed to be used per se.

581
00:44:13,033 --> 00:44:15,634
So I think we've, we've gone a step in.

582
00:44:16,367 --> 00:44:19,033
Curing everybody's concern that this proposal would.

583
00:44:20,033 --> 00:44:23,133
Eliminate their ability to use the cross easement that goes over all four of

584
00:44:23,133 --> 00:44:24,266
these properties as well.

585
00:44:26,667 --> 00:44:28,667
And just to, just to remind folks.

586
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000
If we get that far tonight, which we're certainly hopeful, we do.

587
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,266
There is still a, a Shoreland protection conditional use permit that is required for

588
00:44:38,266 --> 00:44:38,500
this.

589
00:44:39,467 --> 00:44:45,867
Months ago you did receive correspondence from the conservation commission and they're in favor

590
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:46,367
of the project.

591
00:44:47,433 --> 00:44:51,567
Very little else has changed with regard to the site plans.

592
00:44:52,133 --> 00:44:54,133
We still propose the pervious walkways.

593
00:44:54,133 --> 00:44:55,500
We still propose the per.

594
00:44:55,834 --> 00:45:00,066
Pervious pavement in the back stalls, which we assume will be probably the lightest

595
00:45:00,166 --> 00:45:00,533
used.

596
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:03,367
And everything else.

597
00:45:04,367 --> 00:45:06,900
Pretty much remains as it was in the former proposal.

598
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:12,033
This amendment just changes that from a, a micro hotel.

599
00:45:13,133 --> 00:45:16,767
To 12 residential units and two commercial spaces on the first floor.

600
00:45:17,533 --> 00:45:20,066
With that I'll entertain any comments or questions from the board?

601
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,900
You spoke about selling those eventually we sold.

602
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,634
And does that mean you're gonna end up with a condominium?

603
00:45:27,433 --> 00:45:28,066
Association.

604
00:45:28,667 --> 00:45:29,133
Very likely.

605
00:45:29,133 --> 00:45:29,300
Yes.

606
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:29,533
So.

607
00:45:32,033 --> 00:45:33,300
And are they going to end up owning the whole building?

608
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:37,867
And being the well, if it, if it's sells out, that would be per

609
00:45:38,033 --> 00:45:38,634
be my presumption.

610
00:45:38,734 --> 00:45:41,667
Oh, they, or they would become members of that cor yeah, they, they would

611
00:45:41,667 --> 00:45:42,033
all be.

612
00:45:42,467 --> 00:45:43,066
Part of the association.

613
00:45:43,533 --> 00:45:43,834
Yep.

614
00:45:45,266 --> 00:45:45,533
Questions.

615
00:45:46,567 --> 00:45:47,500
Thank you for the changes.

616
00:45:48,567 --> 00:45:49,667
Changes looks.We finally came to an answer.

617
00:45:49,667 --> 00:45:51,033
It took a little while to get there, but .

618
00:45:53,767 --> 00:45:54,066
Yes.

619
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:55,367
Question question in your face.

620
00:45:55,767 --> 00:45:57,033
A lot of questions, but I just

621
00:45:57,934 --> 00:46:00,133
in the, on the back back part of the lot.

622
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:02,100
I can't remember.

623
00:46:02,133 --> 00:46:04,734
Was there, was there ever any issue about.

624
00:46:05,533 --> 00:46:09,100
Putting you've got that area designated as a snow storage.

625
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:14,000
Where it's not allowed on the forest pavement, but is there an issue with

626
00:46:14,066 --> 00:46:15,867
snow being pushed beyond that?

627
00:46:16,767 --> 00:46:20,433
Because it that's, the slope goes down well, there's, there's vegetation.

628
00:46:20,433 --> 00:46:22,300
That's gonna, that, that is planted.

629
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:23,133
That can't be cut.

630
00:46:23,133 --> 00:46:24,533
That is actually on the town.

631
00:46:25,133 --> 00:46:25,066
Side of that

632
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:26,066
property line.

633
00:46:26,066 --> 00:46:26,367
Okay.

634
00:46:26,367 --> 00:46:26,734
Alright.

635
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,133
And so the thought process being

636
00:46:30,133 --> 00:46:33,033
it's, it's not gonna go there and if, if, I mean, that's not.

637
00:46:33,333 --> 00:46:34,834
Gonna hold a great deal of snow Gwen.

638
00:46:34,834 --> 00:46:36,900
And as you know, we've spoken about this before.

639
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:41,100
In the event that it starts backing into the stalls.

640
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:43,900
Stalls they've gotta come in, scoop it and truck it up.

641
00:46:44,934 --> 00:46:48,000
So at this point, really the only snow storage you have is right up

642
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:48,900
in the back of the building.

643
00:46:49,033 --> 00:46:51,634
And up, up front, front, front by the yes, by the road.

644
00:46:52,934 --> 00:46:53,000
Which,

645
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,734
and I, a little, yeah, because at the board's request we did remove.

646
00:46:57,734 --> 00:47:00,100
Those notes between us and the Manor property.

647
00:47:00,934 --> 00:47:01,000
Okay.

648
00:47:01,533 --> 00:47:04,500
I'm a little concerned about how the plantings are gonna do.

649
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:07,033
On the road.

650
00:47:08,033 --> 00:47:09,667
Snow storage side, but

651
00:47:12,433 --> 00:47:16,133
well, our landscape architect told us that those are they're gonna be, I don't

652
00:47:16,133 --> 00:47:18,100
know about salt tolerant, but salt resistant.

653
00:47:18,867 --> 00:47:19,033
Okay.

654
00:47:19,033 --> 00:47:19,433
Planting.

655
00:47:19,433 --> 00:47:20,533
So flour resistant.

656
00:47:20,834 --> 00:47:21,266
Well, right.

657
00:47:21,266 --> 00:47:24,033
If they, if they shove their plow across the grass, that

658
00:47:24,767 --> 00:47:25,567
could be a problem.

659
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:26,266
Okay.

660
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,166
May I just G go ahead.

661
00:47:31,166 --> 00:47:33,834
Just remember we, we do have that condition that yeah.

662
00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:35,667
Any dead or dying vegetation shall be.

663
00:47:35,667 --> 00:47:35,834
Yeah.

664
00:47:35,834 --> 00:47:37,100
Please replaced the next growing.

665
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:37,734
Season.

666
00:47:37,734 --> 00:47:38,100
So yeah.

667
00:47:38,133 --> 00:47:40,500
You know, we do have that as a backup, if it, yeah.

668
00:47:41,467 --> 00:47:41,900
Got it.

669
00:47:45,133 --> 00:47:45,000
So

670
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:47,867
all right.

671
00:47:48,066 --> 00:47:49,367
I, I I'm a little.

672
00:47:50,667 --> 00:47:55,300
Concerned about the traffic pattern in the parking area, in back of the building

673
00:47:56,934 --> 00:47:57,367
So people

674
00:47:58,467 --> 00:48:01,533
unless, unless I've on one plan, it looks like.

675
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,900
The middle section of that parking area has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

676
00:48:06,867 --> 00:48:09,266
Spots mm-hmm but on another it looks like it only has four.

677
00:48:09,767 --> 00:48:11,300
So do you see a circular.

678
00:48:12,433 --> 00:48:15,834
Pat a circular driving pattern in that parking lot.

679
00:48:15,867 --> 00:48:17,066
Are people gonna go in.

680
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:18,133
Back out.

681
00:48:18,133 --> 00:48:21,367
No, I think they would go in back into the aisle, that front aisle

682
00:48:21,367 --> 00:48:24,300
between the first set of stalls and the middle stalls.

683
00:48:25,333 --> 00:48:28,033
Stalls is if I'm not mistaken, 35 feet.

684
00:48:28,033 --> 00:48:30,066
So there's plenty of room for vehicles to back out.

685
00:48:30,367 --> 00:48:30,734
Okay.

686
00:48:30,767 --> 00:48:32,066
And turn around in that location.

687
00:48:36,033 --> 00:48:36,133
Okay.

688
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:41,066
No ADA parking in the front.

689
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:42,133
It's all in the back.

690
00:48:42,133 --> 00:48:43,066
Just those two currently.

691
00:48:43,066 --> 00:48:43,166
Yes.

692
00:48:43,166 --> 00:48:44,033
That's how currently that's closed.

693
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:45,066
Tell you, you have it.

694
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:48,033
I guess you, I guess.

695
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:50,100
Hmm.

696
00:48:51,066 --> 00:48:53,300
And we went through that in one of the prior iterations.

697
00:48:53,367 --> 00:48:55,100
It might have even been the M U N D,

698
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,667
but that existing parking lot up front is.

699
00:48:59,233 --> 00:49:00,567
Actually too steep to propose.

700
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:02,900
I, I remember that spell ADA stalls.

701
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:03,433
It's hotel.

702
00:49:04,066 --> 00:49:05,066
Yeah, I remember that.

703
00:49:05,433 --> 00:49:05,767
I just.

704
00:49:07,033 --> 00:49:08,634
Just seems if you're gonna have a.

705
00:49:09,533 --> 00:49:13,734
Commercial, some kind of commercial enterprise office space, whatever downstairs.

706
00:49:14,667 --> 00:49:14,667
Downstairs.

707
00:49:16,233 --> 00:49:19,166
It just seems like the front of the building is gonna be the.

708
00:49:20,634 --> 00:49:21,100
The most

709
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,300
used parking space, but.

710
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:27,634
You have ADA parking in the back.

711
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:29,000
So I guess that's all right.

712
00:49:29,066 --> 00:49:29,667
Mm-hmm .

713
00:49:33,233 --> 00:49:34,033
Where do you?

714
00:49:34,266 --> 00:49:38,133
You've got the, the mailboxes are in the back inside, but in the back

715
00:49:38,233 --> 00:49:38,567
down.

716
00:49:39,066 --> 00:49:39,300
Downstairs of the door.

717
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:41,734
There will be a kiosk just inside that door.

718
00:49:41,834 --> 00:49:42,767
I believe on the left.

719
00:49:42,767 --> 00:49:43,300
When you're walking.

720
00:49:44,867 --> 00:49:46,367
So I know previously

721
00:49:47,233 --> 00:49:49,066
we talked about a loading spot.

722
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:53,900
Are you presuming that there's always gonna be a place for the male person

723
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:55,500
I presume they'll drive just all.

724
00:49:55,634 --> 00:49:56,867
We have three extra stalls.

725
00:49:57,900 --> 00:50:00,900
Stalls if based on the town's ordinances, every single space.

726
00:50:02,033 --> 00:50:04,133
Designated for use would be in use.

727
00:50:04,667 --> 00:50:05,867
We have three extra stalls.

728
00:50:06,133 --> 00:50:07,667
And in addition to that,

729
00:50:08,767 --> 00:50:09,266
hopefully this works.

730
00:50:11,066 --> 00:50:11,266
There we go.

731
00:50:13,133 --> 00:50:15,300
With the reorganization of this, there's a lot of.

732
00:50:16,367 --> 00:50:17,266
Dead pavement right there.

733
00:50:17,266 --> 00:50:17,867
Mm-hmm .

734
00:50:18,667 --> 00:50:20,166
Definitely a male truck had come in there.

735
00:50:21,133 --> 00:50:22,300
Parked right next to that

736
00:50:23,133 --> 00:50:23,867
handicap space.

737
00:50:24,767 --> 00:50:27,333
Handicapped space and get into that side of the building, do an access, the

738
00:50:27,333 --> 00:50:27,734
kiosk.

739
00:50:28,934 --> 00:50:29,000
Kiosk.

740
00:50:29,033 --> 00:50:29,133
Okay.

741
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:32,500
Hmm.

742
00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:36,734
And you don't

743
00:50:37,533 --> 00:50:38,834
don't you already said you don't know.

744
00:50:39,834 --> 00:50:40,000
Yet where,

745
00:50:40,567 --> 00:50:42,767
what is going in the commercial spaces?

746
00:50:43,033 --> 00:50:43,734
So correct.

747
00:50:44,767 --> 00:50:45,100
Okay.

748
00:50:46,767 --> 00:50:48,433
Do you have EV conduits?

749
00:50:48,867 --> 00:50:49,100
Yes.

750
00:50:49,133 --> 00:50:49,367
Yes.

751
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:52,000
EV conduits are in the back as well in the back as well.

752
00:50:53,266 --> 00:50:55,567
And then I know Jen brought up bike storage.

753
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:57,333
Has that

754
00:50:58,133 --> 00:50:58,533
have you

755
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:01,266
we didn't specifically.

756
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:04,333
Designate any, but my assumption is.

757
00:51:05,333 --> 00:51:07,100
They would likely put

758
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,066
for the summer months, just a.

759
00:51:10,867 --> 00:51:15,166
Movable bike rack on that grass area left of the, well, I guess it

760
00:51:15,166 --> 00:51:18,266
would be south of the walkway into that building.

761
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:20,567
Mm-hmm

762
00:51:23,266 --> 00:51:23,367
Hmm.

763
00:51:24,133 --> 00:51:24,367
All right.

764
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:27,133
And then it could just be moved into storage for the winter months.

765
00:51:32,467 --> 00:51:33,367
Shift point to work.

766
00:51:33,433 --> 00:51:34,734
Can you point to me where that.

767
00:51:35,834 --> 00:51:35,834
Is

768
00:51:36,433 --> 00:51:37,433
just the location of that.

769
00:51:37,467 --> 00:51:37,834
Yeah.

770
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:38,333
The bike belt.

771
00:51:38,333 --> 00:51:38,567
Yep.

772
00:51:39,634 --> 00:51:43,033
So here is the walkway into the building Uhhuh and this grass strip

773
00:51:43,033 --> 00:51:43,533
right here.

774
00:51:44,367 --> 00:51:44,533
Got it.

775
00:51:44,533 --> 00:51:45,000
Thank you.

776
00:51:45,033 --> 00:51:45,634
Mm-hmm .

777
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,567
Mm-hmm

778
00:51:54,133 --> 00:51:55,166
I'm gonna stop for now.

779
00:51:56,834 --> 00:51:57,000
Okay.

780
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,266
Someone else has questions.

781
00:51:59,433 --> 00:51:59,433
Questions.

782
00:51:59,834 --> 00:52:01,100
I have probably a couple questions.

783
00:52:02,667 --> 00:52:04,500
Let's see are the, the residential units.

784
00:52:04,834 --> 00:52:05,000
They.

785
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:07,000
Single bedroom, two bedroom,

786
00:52:08,433 --> 00:52:09,266
two, two bedroom.

787
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:13,133
The

788
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,367
the parking up front.

789
00:52:17,333 --> 00:52:20,000
The those spaces, Todd, to tell there, this space.

790
00:52:20,934 --> 00:52:21,634
These end spaces here.

791
00:52:23,066 --> 00:52:27,000
What is the distance between the setbacks so that a vehicle can back out

792
00:52:27,266 --> 00:52:29,433
and turn and head back out in that direction.

793
00:52:30,467 --> 00:52:32,000
How close is that space to the, to leave.

794
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,100
Those are 24 feet.

795
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:33,433
Marty.

796
00:52:33,433 --> 00:52:33,867
Let me.

797
00:52:34,767 --> 00:52:38,100
No, no, no. The, what I'm looking for is the, the distance.

798
00:52:39,667 --> 00:52:41,000
Is your PA end of the parking space.

799
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,166
And appear is the end of the parking little offset space.

800
00:52:45,166 --> 00:52:46,834
Yeah, it's approximately five feet.

801
00:52:47,834 --> 00:52:47,834
Okay.

802
00:52:50,133 --> 00:52:50,567
Is that

803
00:52:51,166 --> 00:52:51,734
on the

804
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,000
I think this is the old.

805
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:56,667
Planting plan

806
00:52:57,266 --> 00:52:59,033
cuz the circulation that that is correct.

807
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,500
We, we are still waiting for the current one, but.

808
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:04,667
Realistically, I believe the only thing

809
00:53:05,266 --> 00:53:06,367
materially that's gonna change.

810
00:53:07,233 --> 00:53:09,734
Is there was in the former iteration.

811
00:53:10,467 --> 00:53:12,533
A little island right there, but that was where the.

812
00:53:13,333 --> 00:53:14,033
Landscape.

813
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:14,634
I was being

814
00:53:15,634 --> 00:53:18,066
effective and in talking to Lee's.

815
00:53:18,867 --> 00:53:20,734
Lee's essentially these plantings that were going.

816
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:22,867
In that little island.

817
00:53:24,033 --> 00:53:28,100
Will just be relocated to this new island, which is, which is gonna be

818
00:53:29,066 --> 00:53:31,867
Our side of what's left of, of that landscape.

819
00:53:33,133 --> 00:53:35,033
Okay.I, I, everything else was gonna remain the same.

820
00:53:35,533 --> 00:53:38,100
The concern I have with the, the, the previous plan.

821
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:39,266
Had

822
00:53:40,066 --> 00:53:41,734
trees out here in this area.

823
00:53:42,467 --> 00:53:43,166
At the end of those Isles.

824
00:53:43,667 --> 00:53:43,900
Yep.

825
00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:48,100
And again, I'm just, you know, I'm concerned that this vehicle's in lost space

826
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:49,567
we'll be able to back out.

827
00:53:51,033 --> 00:53:52,333
Back into that area without

828
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:53,567
hitting the tree.

829
00:53:54,667 --> 00:53:56,900
Without hitting a snow bank, whatever's gonna be there.

830
00:53:56,934 --> 00:53:58,100
It's it's just very tight.

831
00:54:01,467 --> 00:54:02,533
But it is the standard,

832
00:54:03,166 --> 00:54:03,734
the standard.

833
00:54:05,133 --> 00:54:05,333
Aisle width.

834
00:54:05,867 --> 00:54:06,266
So it's a.

835
00:54:07,433 --> 00:54:08,900
But so the setbacks, at least five feet,

836
00:54:09,734 --> 00:54:10,166
as you're saying

837
00:54:11,033 --> 00:54:15,100
that five foot kind of over pavement from the end of the stalls.

838
00:54:15,834 --> 00:54:15,834
Stalls.Yes.

839
00:54:16,033 --> 00:54:16,100
Yes.

840
00:54:16,266 --> 00:54:18,033
I, what I'm talking about is the.

841
00:54:19,066 --> 00:54:20,066
The end of the parking space.

842
00:54:20,233 --> 00:54:20,500
Yep.

843
00:54:20,533 --> 00:54:23,500
When you back out, you've got at least five feet before.

844
00:54:24,367 --> 00:54:25,834
On those parking lot end zone on those installs?

845
00:54:25,834 --> 00:54:26,100
Correct.

846
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:26,433
Okay.

847
00:54:26,667 --> 00:54:26,900
Yep.

848
00:54:29,066 --> 00:54:30,100
And I know you said.

849
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:33,300
You don't know what's gonna be in the commercial space.

850
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:40,066
I I'll just say, you know, the issues I had before with respect to

851
00:54:40,233 --> 00:54:41,500
traffic and pedestrian.

852
00:54:42,667 --> 00:54:43,567
Activity in that front area.

853
00:54:44,934 --> 00:54:46,533
Was primarily related to

854
00:54:47,533 --> 00:54:50,066
if it was gonna be a high turnover coffee shop.

855
00:54:51,033 --> 00:54:54,867
If you have office space or other type of retail in there, it's not

856
00:54:54,867 --> 00:54:56,066
as a much of a concern.

857
00:54:57,133 --> 00:54:59,567
But if it's a coffee shop, I would've the same concerns.

858
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:00,900
So I don't know.

859
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:02,834
What I can do about that.

860
00:55:02,834 --> 00:55:04,100
If you can't tell me what it's gonna be.

861
00:55:04,533 --> 00:55:04,634
.

862
00:55:07,066 --> 00:55:08,100
It makes it challenging.

863
00:55:14,066 --> 00:55:14,767
I had a question.

864
00:55:14,767 --> 00:55:15,000
Go ahead.

865
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,500
A few questions.

866
00:55:17,767 --> 00:55:19,533
Off of Gwen's question about the EV.

867
00:55:23,433 --> 00:55:25,900
Ports, you said they'll be in the back, correct?

868
00:55:26,066 --> 00:55:26,900
Does that conflict?

869
00:55:27,834 --> 00:55:28,367
So it's on the back of the building.

870
00:55:28,467 --> 00:55:29,533
So would that impact.

871
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:31,634
The placement of the ADA spaces.

872
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:35,033
Well that that's currently where we have it proposed.

873
00:55:35,266 --> 00:55:39,066
I mean that, those conduits, if you guys feel they're better located somewhere else

874
00:55:40,033 --> 00:55:40,033
Can go.

875
00:55:40,066 --> 00:55:40,667
Absolutely.

876
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,133
Anything.Yeah.I mean, is there any issue with putting them in the front?

877
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:49,567
Because, especially if they, I mean, aside from, you know, you're gonna have pedestals

878
00:55:49,567 --> 00:55:52,433
at the end of the day, which are not got attractive, but.

879
00:55:54,066 --> 00:55:56,066
I mean, we could, we could run them out to the middle.

880
00:55:57,467 --> 00:55:58,433
The middle of a parking.

881
00:55:59,834 --> 00:56:01,066
But then again, that's gonna monkey with.

882
00:56:05,667 --> 00:56:06,266
I just noticing

883
00:56:07,834 --> 00:56:08,000
yeah.

884
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:09,667
With

885
00:56:10,433 --> 00:56:10,667
two

886
00:56:11,634 --> 00:56:12,634
accessible spots that you have.

887
00:56:14,066 --> 00:56:15,133
There that would only

888
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,667
that would either be inaccessible or a handicap spot.

889
00:56:19,634 --> 00:56:20,867
That's charging an EV

890
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,867
and then you have one remaining potential, like not handicapped plate.

891
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:26,133
It's a lot back there.

892
00:56:29,667 --> 00:56:29,900
So,

893
00:56:30,567 --> 00:56:33,066
I mean, if it's the board's preference that, that you guys want them.

894
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:34,767
Both directed to

895
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,033
non HC compliance stalls.

896
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,133
That's that's not an issue.

897
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,266
Those conduits can be run anywhere.

898
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:41,634
Okay.

899
00:56:42,133 --> 00:56:42,867
That makes sense.

900
00:56:43,634 --> 00:56:43,667
It does.

901
00:56:43,667 --> 00:56:44,500
I think that makes sense.

902
00:56:44,634 --> 00:56:45,533
I would worry about.

903
00:56:46,467 --> 00:56:48,533
Occupying a car occupying an EV.

904
00:56:49,333 --> 00:56:51,433
Site when there's a need for a handicap.

905
00:56:51,934 --> 00:56:52,100
Yeah.

906
00:56:53,133 --> 00:56:54,033
Yeah, parking spot.

907
00:56:54,667 --> 00:56:57,000
I mean, can they go, can they go on the back?

908
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:58,734
Line in the pervious pavement.

909
00:57:04,367 --> 00:57:05,834
Yeah, that that's a valid point.

910
00:57:06,166 --> 00:57:06,533
Yeah.

911
00:57:06,533 --> 00:57:08,033
What, what the client's saying, Glen.

912
00:57:08,166 --> 00:57:11,767
Is that we would probably prefer to leave one at the ADA, just in

913
00:57:11,767 --> 00:57:12,033
case.

914
00:57:12,767 --> 00:57:15,734
There was an ADA car that needed to park there.

915
00:57:15,834 --> 00:57:17,033
That is an electric vehicle.

916
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:22,133
And we could certainly run another one out to one of those rear stalls

917
00:57:23,266 --> 00:57:23,266
Stalls.Yeah.

918
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:23,634
Yeah.

919
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:26,266
As long as there's a sign or something that says.

920
00:57:27,066 --> 00:57:27,066
Only

921
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:29,634
handicap parking, ADA parking there.

922
00:57:30,133 --> 00:57:32,834
So you, you wouldn't want someone taking, oh, of course.

923
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:33,734
A spot, of course.

924
00:57:33,767 --> 00:57:34,567
And, and they will have.

925
00:57:35,433 --> 00:57:37,000
Nancy, the typical signage.

926
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:42,634
The paint on the pavement depicting that that is a, so if, if somebody

927
00:57:42,634 --> 00:57:43,000
without.

928
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,100
Handicapped credentials parked there.

929
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:47,100
The police could be called.

930
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:48,834
They could get ticketed, you know,

931
00:57:50,634 --> 00:57:51,266
okay, thank you.

932
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:53,100
It, it, it, they will be enforceable.

933
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,066
Another question I had, and I know this is a.

934
00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:58,834
Older planting plan,

935
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:00,900
but on the.

936
00:58:02,433 --> 00:58:04,500
Plantable space, adjacent ports with Ave.

937
00:58:04,533 --> 00:58:09,333
Are, is that still going to be Juniper brush or is, can that be

938
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:11,433
Trees because that part of forest would have

939
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:12,834
gets a lot of sun.

940
00:58:12,834 --> 00:58:13,767
Doesn't have a lot of shade.

941
00:58:14,867 --> 00:58:16,900
And that would be good for people parking there as well as people using

942
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:17,133
the sidewalk.

943
00:58:17,233 --> 00:58:17,567
Yeah.

944
00:58:17,667 --> 00:58:21,100
I thought she had a couple of trees proposed if trees proposed.

945
00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:22,433
Can you put up there?

946
00:58:22,567 --> 00:58:24,266
I dunno if you can go to the planting plant.

947
00:58:24,433 --> 00:58:24,667
Yep.

948
00:58:25,133 --> 00:58:25,900
Even though it's old.

949
00:58:27,467 --> 00:58:28,300
Page eight.

950
00:58:36,834 --> 00:58:37,000
Yeah.

951
00:58:37,533 --> 00:58:38,066
So there's those trees.

952
00:58:39,133 --> 00:58:39,867
Just one sec.

953
00:58:42,233 --> 00:58:43,066
There we go.

954
00:58:44,033 --> 00:58:44,367
Now we can see it better,

955
00:58:45,166 --> 00:58:45,834
not as much.

956
00:58:49,367 --> 00:58:51,100
So there's those three, which is great.

957
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,033
And then I'm thinking about.

958
00:58:52,934 --> 00:58:53,000
The,

959
00:58:54,266 --> 00:58:54,900
I guess it's

960
00:58:55,834 --> 00:58:57,533
it's spot next to port Ave.

961
00:58:59,066 --> 00:59:01,533
Is there a possibility of trees being there in here?

962
00:59:01,667 --> 00:59:02,033
Yeah.

963
00:59:02,033 --> 00:59:02,266
In there.

964
00:59:03,066 --> 00:59:05,066
From both the shade of those parking.

965
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:06,100
And

966
00:59:08,166 --> 00:59:08,900
adding shade to the sidewalk.

967
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:14,367
Yeah, the well

968
00:59:15,233 --> 00:59:16,734
this, this area right here.

969
00:59:19,834 --> 00:59:23,433
That, that sign we had gone through with the neighbor who has a commercial

970
00:59:23,533 --> 00:59:25,100
unit in the Manor facility.

971
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:25,634
Okay.

972
00:59:27,133 --> 00:59:30,900
And have basically that that's where the sign for this building will go as

973
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:31,066
well.

974
00:59:32,033 --> 00:59:35,166
And have committed to him that it will not be taller or will actually

975
00:59:35,166 --> 00:59:35,734
be lower.

976
00:59:35,867 --> 00:59:37,133
I believe is what the agreement was.

977
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,634
Right to his size, his sign right up the street.

978
00:59:40,667 --> 00:59:43,533
Mm-hmm so that wouldn't work out in that location.

979
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:44,100
I mean,

980
00:59:45,133 --> 00:59:46,567
one tree could probably go in here,

981
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:48,033
Ryan, but.

982
00:59:48,934 --> 00:59:52,767
I don't know that multiples would, would work well simply because in the winter

983
00:59:52,767 --> 00:59:54,133
months they, that will.

984
00:59:55,233 --> 00:59:57,133
You know, Therase storage area for some yeah.

985
00:59:57,166 --> 00:59:57,433
And.

986
00:59:58,467 --> 01:00:01,100
The visibility that's I, I could, but as she works through this for final

987
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:03,100
Which which again,

988
01:00:04,033 --> 01:00:08,300
you know, the, the only real substantive change proposes in the back, relocating those

989
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:10,000
small shrubs mm-hmm but.

990
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:13,433
I could see being able to put one tree kind of in the middle

991
01:00:13,734 --> 01:00:17,667
mm-hmm and then the canopy would, I would assume cover at least a

992
01:00:17,667 --> 01:00:18,166
couple of the spaces.

993
01:00:18,667 --> 01:00:18,767
Maybe

994
01:00:19,367 --> 01:00:22,066
the one in the middle and half of each of the other one or

995
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:24,033
whatever, but yeah, it would provide some shade.

996
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:24,433
Yeah.

997
01:00:24,433 --> 01:00:26,634
I think anyone that's parked in those lots knows it.

998
01:00:27,066 --> 01:00:27,066
It's

999
01:00:27,867 --> 01:00:28,166
oh, it gets hot.

1000
01:00:28,667 --> 01:00:28,900
Yes.

1001
01:00:29,266 --> 01:00:30,667
And then the other question I had was.

1002
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:35,367
I guess you can see it here below the proposed parking.

1003
01:00:35,467 --> 01:00:38,000
If you want to please pointer to assist me.

1004
01:00:38,867 --> 01:00:40,000
Below here to the right.

1005
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:40,567
Yep.

1006
01:00:41,333 --> 01:00:42,433
To, to the right more down.

1007
01:00:43,634 --> 01:00:44,166
Mower down, down on the map.

1008
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:45,433
Oh, I'm sorry.

1009
01:00:45,433 --> 01:00:45,667
Yeah.

1010
01:00:45,734 --> 01:00:46,033
So that.

1011
01:00:47,433 --> 01:00:48,100
Has crosshatch part,

1012
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:49,634
is that just.

1013
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:52,433
Lines for that is painted lines.

1014
01:00:52,467 --> 01:00:53,100
So it's not curd.

1015
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:54,000
It's just lines, correct.

1016
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:54,266
Okay.

1017
01:00:54,266 --> 01:00:54,567
Yeah.

1018
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,333
Alright, that answers the questions.

1019
01:00:58,300 --> 01:01:01,066
Questions.Oh, I guess the question is this might be up to the.

1020
01:01:02,166 --> 01:01:04,000
Condo association or how that's formed.

1021
01:01:04,767 --> 01:01:06,100
Is it assigned parking?

1022
01:01:07,066 --> 01:01:09,433
In the lots in the back for residence and partially in the front, or

1023
01:01:09,433 --> 01:01:11,767
is that just gonna be something that gets sorted out as time goes on

1024
01:01:12,233 --> 01:01:12,867
sorted out?

1025
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:16,500
Yeah.For the, for the records sorted out as okay.

1026
01:01:16,867 --> 01:01:17,834
Things come together.

1027
01:01:17,867 --> 01:01:18,033
Yeah.

1028
01:01:18,233 --> 01:01:19,033
Those are my questions.

1029
01:01:19,033 --> 01:01:19,333
Thank you.

1030
01:01:20,367 --> 01:01:20,567
You're very welcome.

1031
01:01:22,667 --> 01:01:24,634
Should I go back to the presentation plan, Mr. Chairman.

1032
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:25,066
Sure.

1033
01:01:25,266 --> 01:01:25,533
I will.

1034
01:01:25,567 --> 01:01:27,333
I think while you're on this one, I have a question.

1035
01:01:27,667 --> 01:01:28,634
Oh, who're on this one.

1036
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:29,066
Wait a minute.

1037
01:01:29,133 --> 01:01:29,500
Okay.

1038
01:01:31,133 --> 01:01:31,734
Kristen.

1039
01:01:31,834 --> 01:01:32,500
Just wait a minute.

1040
01:01:32,634 --> 01:01:36,300
Yeah, I'm just sliding the view over so we can see the entire property

1041
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:40,533
Ah, good.

1042
01:01:43,266 --> 01:01:44,634
The whole shot enchilada.

1043
01:01:44,667 --> 01:01:45,033
Very good.

1044
01:01:50,667 --> 01:01:51,033
Okay.

1045
01:01:51,166 --> 01:01:53,900
So I think at the risk of sort of repeating what other people have

1046
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:55,000
said, I'm also a little.

1047
01:01:55,233 --> 01:01:57,033
Bit concerned about the parking circulation.

1048
01:01:58,100 --> 01:01:58,667
In the front

1049
01:01:59,233 --> 01:01:59,900
where it's.

1050
01:02:02,066 --> 01:02:05,000
This, this isn't the updated one, but basically those two.

1051
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:09,867
Like right now, this one that we're seeing goes in hasn't changed.

1052
01:02:11,867 --> 01:02:15,100
This, this is different than your, some than your proposal, though.

1053
01:02:15,066 --> 01:02:16,033
I chose one way.

1054
01:02:16,367 --> 01:02:19,033
This shows one way circuit circulation with an aisle you're Absolut.

1055
01:02:19,233 --> 01:02:19,266
Absolutely right.

1056
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:19,567
Yep.

1057
01:02:19,567 --> 01:02:19,834
Yeah.

1058
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:20,000
Yep.

1059
01:02:20,266 --> 01:02:21,100
Which this,

1060
01:02:22,767 --> 01:02:24,300
this kind of makes sense.

1061
01:02:25,333 --> 01:02:25,867
To me as a driver.

1062
01:02:28,133 --> 01:02:29,133
Because you can

1063
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:32,433
you know, if you go in and then, oh, there's no spots or whatever

1064
01:02:32,533 --> 01:02:34,033
you can just loop around.

1065
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:38,000
And then also just anyone who's parking on those, like Northern four.

1066
01:02:38,467 --> 01:02:38,500
Spots.

1067
01:02:39,066 --> 01:02:41,867
I feel like are going to be hitting your trees.

1068
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:43,767
Constantly.

1069
01:02:44,033 --> 01:02:44,667
If you don't like.

1070
01:02:45,533 --> 01:02:47,900
Put a fence there or something, then they're gonna be hitting the fence.

1071
01:02:49,634 --> 01:02:50,033
I don't know.

1072
01:02:50,033 --> 01:02:52,634
I just, I feel like it's like very tight, like backing out of one

1073
01:02:52,634 --> 01:02:54,100
of those spots on like the.

1074
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,066
The four spots on the north, it just doesn't seem like there's enough room

1075
01:02:59,533 --> 01:03:00,266
To maneuver.

1076
01:03:01,333 --> 01:03:05,000
Well, I mean, we do show the, the vehicle and I think we used

1077
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,033
a St like a.

1078
01:03:07,133 --> 01:03:07,300
Ford

1079
01:03:08,567 --> 01:03:09,567
Explorer type of a vehicle.

1080
01:03:09,934 --> 01:03:11,000
Did what sheet is that on?

1081
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,900
Cause I wasn't seeing that parking plan, I believe.

1082
01:03:14,233 --> 01:03:16,900
The parking, which I can get.

1083
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:17,266
Yeah.

1084
01:03:17,266 --> 01:03:18,500
If you could pull that up, that'd be great.

1085
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:20,066
Cause I was not seeing that.

1086
01:03:22,767 --> 01:03:23,500
Shoot four.

1087
01:03:28,567 --> 01:03:29,100
Yeah, parking

1088
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:32,433
yeah, right down there on the lower left.

1089
01:03:33,667 --> 01:03:34,266
There we go.

1090
01:03:34,266 --> 01:03:34,567
Yeah.

1091
01:03:35,033 --> 01:03:35,367
Oh, okay.

1092
01:03:35,433 --> 01:03:36,033
I didn't see that.

1093
01:03:36,033 --> 01:03:36,533
It's not there.

1094
01:03:36,634 --> 01:03:38,000
It's clear on this screen, but.

1095
01:03:40,734 --> 01:03:41,867
Which sheet number is that?

1096
01:03:45,333 --> 01:03:46,100
Four Marty, I think four.

1097
01:03:46,166 --> 01:03:46,767
Oh, I see it.

1098
01:03:46,767 --> 01:03:47,066
Yeah.

1099
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:47,433
On the.

1100
01:03:48,166 --> 01:03:49,433
Someone with the blue arrows.

1101
01:03:50,867 --> 01:03:50,867
Arrows

1102
01:03:55,066 --> 01:03:56,033
is that gonna have a curb?

1103
01:03:57,033 --> 01:03:58,567
Is there a curb on that Northern edge?

1104
01:03:58,734 --> 01:04:00,066
On, on the Manor side?

1105
01:04:00,066 --> 01:04:00,333
Yes.

1106
01:04:00,634 --> 01:04:01,000
Yeah.

1107
01:04:01,033 --> 01:04:01,133
Okay.

1108
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:02,433
Yeah, that'll help.

1109
01:04:12,667 --> 01:04:13,667
But that, that question.

1110
01:04:14,867 --> 01:04:16,033
Jen is precisely why

1111
01:04:17,133 --> 01:04:19,066
took a look at this stall, which is.

1112
01:04:20,033 --> 01:04:21,066
Yeah, that's this stall.

1113
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:21,433
Yeah.

1114
01:04:21,500 --> 01:04:22,133
I appreciate seeing that.

1115
01:04:22,133 --> 01:04:25,333
Just to see that missed that little insert back out, make their turn and

1116
01:04:25,367 --> 01:04:26,367
not get off the paper.

1117
01:04:26,433 --> 01:04:27,033
Mm-hmm .

1118
01:04:28,033 --> 01:04:28,500
Yeah, crank into other vehicles.

1119
01:04:28,533 --> 01:04:31,166
And I think having that curb there that at least their tires would hit

1120
01:04:31,166 --> 01:04:31,433
the curb.

1121
01:04:31,634 --> 01:04:32,000
Yeah.

1122
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,066
It, it gives you a, a six inch veal for a wheel stop.

1123
01:04:35,266 --> 01:04:35,533
Yep.

1124
01:04:55,066 --> 01:04:55,066
Hello

1125
01:04:56,066 --> 01:04:56,133
questions.

1126
01:04:56,133 --> 01:04:56,533
Thoughts.

1127
01:05:13,834 --> 01:05:15,100
Anybody from the

1128
01:05:16,166 --> 01:05:17,100
public would like to speak.

1129
01:05:18,467 --> 01:05:18,767
Please come up,

1130
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:21,500
step up to the microphone and.

1131
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,266
Introduce yourself, please.

1132
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:25,266
A couple quick questions.

1133
01:05:26,467 --> 01:05:26,500
Questions.

1134
01:05:32,133 --> 01:05:33,500
My name is Michael Siegel.

1135
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:34,166
I'm from, I.

1136
01:05:34,867 --> 01:05:35,133
Representative Manor.

1137
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,634
We weren't

1138
01:05:38,166 --> 01:05:41,634
at the first couple of meetings and I, one thing I, I didn't see

1139
01:05:41,634 --> 01:05:42,166
the plans, but.

1140
01:05:43,066 --> 01:05:44,634
How large are the residential units?

1141
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:45,166
That's.

1142
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:46,300
That's

1143
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:50,567
around 700 square feet, 700 square feet.

1144
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:51,066
Okay.

1145
01:05:51,834 --> 01:05:53,300
And how many parking spaces are there?

1146
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:55,133
26 26.

1147
01:05:55,533 --> 01:05:55,867
Okay.

1148
01:05:56,934 --> 01:05:57,300
That's all I wanted to know.

1149
01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:57,867
Thank you.

1150
01:05:59,367 --> 01:05:59,900
Yes, sir.

1151
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:15,166
Good evening, Todd FAHE from the law firm of Upton and Hatfield representing Needham

1152
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:16,734
bank, which is in a butter as.

1153
01:06:17,133 --> 01:06:21,100
You recall just a quick procedural question to be sure that I'm fully clear

1154
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,567
So the there's been several matters.

1155
01:06:25,333 --> 01:06:27,367
Introduced they have, and the records were combined.

1156
01:06:28,166 --> 01:06:29,266
And this is simply an amendment.

1157
01:06:30,467 --> 01:06:31,000
On the combined.

1158
01:06:31,367 --> 01:06:33,066
Is that what the board's understanding is?

1159
01:06:34,533 --> 01:06:35,634
It's it, this is an amendment.

1160
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,066
To what was a previous, the last application, which was then combined with the

1161
01:06:41,066 --> 01:06:42,000
prior proceeding.

1162
01:06:44,133 --> 01:06:44,300
Yeah.

1163
01:06:44,667 --> 01:06:44,900
Yep.

1164
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:46,500
It wasn't.

1165
01:06:46,667 --> 01:06:47,900
What do you mean by the prior?

1166
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,033
Well, there were two records.

1167
01:06:49,166 --> 01:06:50,000
There were two records.

1168
01:06:51,133 --> 01:06:53,900
And then I think there was a motion and you combine them.

1169
01:06:54,133 --> 01:06:55,900
The reason I'm asking is that I just.

1170
01:06:56,834 --> 01:07:00,100
I, I don't have to resubmit everything again, but, but if you're, if you're

1171
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:01,433
to tell me that this is a new.

1172
01:07:02,467 --> 01:07:07,166
Matter then I would want to just redate and resubmit documents that you've seen

1173
01:07:07,166 --> 01:07:08,634
from me ad nauseum.

1174
01:07:08,667 --> 01:07:10,033
So was a as a active.

1175
01:07:10,867 --> 01:07:10,900
Of mercy.

1176
01:07:11,467 --> 01:07:12,300
I'm asking the question.

1177
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:13,834
So I need to give you more documents.

1178
01:07:15,066 --> 01:07:15,734
Documents.I can, I can answer that.

1179
01:07:15,734 --> 01:07:18,066
We, we continued the meeting to give them time.

1180
01:07:18,867 --> 01:07:19,033
To

1181
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:22,667
hopefully work out that then.

1182
01:07:24,133 --> 01:07:24,734
Hotel plan.

1183
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:27,100
So this is

1184
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,266
basically the same plan.

1185
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:34,166
With modifications, because this is the best way they could work out the traffic

1186
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:34,634
flow.

1187
01:07:34,767 --> 01:07:35,033
Right.

1188
01:07:35,033 --> 01:07:36,900
But we're still dealing with the same.

1189
01:07:37,066 --> 01:07:38,166
It's an, it's an amended.

1190
01:07:38,667 --> 01:07:42,033
Plan and the, and the certified record that we attached to this is still

1191
01:07:42,033 --> 01:07:42,533
attached to it.

1192
01:07:42,533 --> 01:07:43,000
Perfect.

1193
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:45,033
You don't need to give us any more paperwork.

1194
01:07:45,433 --> 01:07:45,767
All right.

1195
01:07:45,767 --> 01:07:46,066
Exactly.

1196
01:07:46,266 --> 01:07:46,567
I won't.

1197
01:07:47,166 --> 01:07:49,300
If you'd like don't weren't needed.

1198
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:49,634
Todd.

1199
01:07:49,867 --> 01:07:50,033
All right.

1200
01:07:50,066 --> 01:07:50,634
No problem.

1201
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:52,066
Okay.

1202
01:07:52,133 --> 01:07:53,133
So not being said.

1203
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:54,133
This is,

1204
01:07:54,834 --> 01:07:55,300
I think the.

1205
01:07:56,166 --> 01:08:00,100
The issue we still have because I don't, we don't really, I, I don't

1206
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:04,033
have authority tonight, not understanding what the use is gonna be in the commercial

1207
01:08:04,567 --> 01:08:06,500
Use and what the traffic flow is, it's the same issue.

1208
01:08:06,767 --> 01:08:11,066
So I know there was some reference and I understand that developer wants flexibility

1209
01:08:12,033 --> 01:08:15,033
Appreciate the, the issue addressing the parking.

1210
01:08:16,233 --> 01:08:18,734
But without knowing what the use would be.

1211
01:08:19,767 --> 01:08:22,667
You know, we can't can't consent to this and we need to object for

1212
01:08:22,667 --> 01:08:25,333
the same reasons we previously have submitted to the board.

1213
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:27,500
Save for the, for those that are relevant.

1214
01:08:27,567 --> 01:08:28,867
I mean, it's not a hotel anymore.

1215
01:08:29,900 --> 01:08:32,667
But the most important piece is that you still have discretion

1216
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:37,133
under your site plan, review regulations to, to approve this in a way that

1217
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:39,333
Makes sense under your regulations?

1218
01:08:39,367 --> 01:08:39,734
Yeah.

1219
01:08:40,133 --> 01:08:42,133
So for the reasons I previously said before,

1220
01:08:43,233 --> 01:08:44,867
we renew those requests.

1221
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:46,133
We renew our objections.

1222
01:08:47,066 --> 01:08:47,634
Only insofar

1223
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:48,567
as

1224
01:08:49,333 --> 01:08:49,500
just don't really

1225
01:08:50,233 --> 01:08:51,900
don't really understand how this is gonna work.

1226
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,066
And even with the trap,

1227
01:08:54,133 --> 01:08:55,000
the traffic flow.

1228
01:08:55,834 --> 01:08:56,133
Two little points.

1229
01:08:56,333 --> 01:09:00,100
I appreciate the shaving off of the, the area that was affected in the

1230
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:01,000
island in the back.

1231
01:09:01,900 --> 01:09:03,533
And, and perhaps the applicant could speak to this.

1232
01:09:03,767 --> 01:09:05,500
I saw it seemed to be a new.

1233
01:09:06,300 --> 01:09:09,066
A new sewer easement, maybe an eight inch pipe.

1234
01:09:09,133 --> 01:09:12,567
And I'm, I don't know if that was some wh where that came from

1235
01:09:12,567 --> 01:09:14,266
but I think I saw that on the utility.

1236
01:09:14,667 --> 01:09:14,834
Plan.

1237
01:09:15,266 --> 01:09:17,500
And with that, I'll just end my comments, Mr. Chairman.

1238
01:09:18,467 --> 01:09:19,100
Okay, thank you.

1239
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:21,567
Yep.

1240
01:09:21,634 --> 01:09:25,433
And I can address that Mr. Chairman, that is just a replacement of the

1241
01:09:26,467 --> 01:09:29,367
Pipe that is currently there for the dry cleaner.

1242
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:32,867
So that is the D P w just wanted that.

1243
01:09:33,333 --> 01:09:34,533
D P w was new pipe?

1244
01:09:34,767 --> 01:09:35,100
Yeah.

1245
01:09:35,433 --> 01:09:35,767
Okay.

1246
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:38,567
Anyone else?

1247
01:09:43,066 --> 01:09:45,500
Don't come in, then I will close the public portion of the meeting.

1248
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:47,000
Bring it back to the

1249
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:48,100
board.

1250
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:49,266
And now you spoke about.

1251
01:09:52,767 --> 01:09:54,033
And then you're gonna need your help.

1252
01:09:54,033 --> 01:09:54,834
Conditional.

1253
01:09:55,634 --> 01:09:57,033
Conditional use paramedic use permit.

1254
01:09:58,100 --> 01:09:58,100
Use permit.

1255
01:09:58,533 --> 01:10:01,000
And we do have two waivers that are still pending.

1256
01:10:02,533 --> 01:10:05,433
I will remind you one of those is for the.

1257
01:10:06,467 --> 01:10:08,634
Work within five feet of a budding property line.

1258
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:09,000
Yes.

1259
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:12,567
The entire building is within five feet of both property lines.

1260
01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:13,066
We couldn't.

1261
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:15,734
Couldn't get this done without, without that.

1262
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:18,567
And

1263
01:10:21,934 --> 01:10:22,100
then

1264
01:10:27,867 --> 01:10:28,834
oh, the, the.

1265
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:31,900
The light trespass onto a budding.

1266
01:10:33,033 --> 01:10:33,634
Properties.

1267
01:10:33,867 --> 01:10:34,033
Yeah.

1268
01:10:34,033 --> 01:10:35,000
You took care of that though.

1269
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,667
You took, yeah, we, we did.

1270
01:10:37,033 --> 01:10:37,100
So,

1271
01:10:37,834 --> 01:10:39,033
I mean, I'll, I'll let you guys

1272
01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:40,433
any direction.

1273
01:10:41,233 --> 01:10:42,100
I'll let you guys

1274
01:10:43,233 --> 01:10:43,266
opine.

1275
01:10:45,533 --> 01:10:47,533
There we are as to whether or not that is.

1276
01:10:48,667 --> 01:10:49,867
Still gonna be necessary.

1277
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:53,066
And again, if you see a.

1278
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:54,367
Couple of hundreds.

1279
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,000
Hundreds just over the property line.

1280
01:10:57,233 --> 01:11:01,000
That is gonna be absolutely washed by the existing high pressure sodium.

1281
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:02,867
Lights that are all around us.

1282
01:11:06,367 --> 01:11:08,166
But they did get the entire.

1283
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:10,634
Cones of illumination

1284
01:11:11,433 --> 01:11:13,000
down to, I believe it is.

1285
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:14,367
Half a foot candle,

1286
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:17,066
maybe even a 10th of a foot candle.

1287
01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:18,333
All on property.

1288
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:21,100
All within those property.

1289
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:22,433
Okay.

1290
01:11:22,533 --> 01:11:24,867
Can I just ask a call a yes.

1291
01:11:25,033 --> 01:11:25,266
Floor.

1292
01:11:25,367 --> 01:11:27,767
It was taken care of and you didn't need that anymore.

1293
01:11:28,367 --> 01:11:29,867
So that's now you needed to.

1294
01:11:31,066 --> 01:11:32,333
You you need the waiver again?

1295
01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:34,300
No, the lights have not changed since.

1296
01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:34,533
Okay.

1297
01:11:34,533 --> 01:11:35,734
Since prior iteration.

1298
01:11:35,767 --> 01:11:36,900
Okay, so you don't need a wave?

1299
01:11:37,533 --> 01:11:39,066
Well, we, we never got there.

1300
01:11:39,233 --> 01:11:43,000
So you guys never said, no, you don't well, because you modified it

1301
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:43,166
Yes.

1302
01:11:43,166 --> 01:11:44,367
And you changed it.

1303
01:11:44,433 --> 01:11:45,266
So it wasn't necessary.

1304
01:11:45,533 --> 01:11:47,133
We sent it back to our lighting consultant.

1305
01:11:47,133 --> 01:11:47,266
Okay.

1306
01:11:47,734 --> 01:11:48,066
Correct.

1307
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:48,333
Okay.

1308
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:49,433
And that has not changed.

1309
01:11:49,433 --> 01:11:51,667
Wanna make sure that wasn't another change that has not changed, changed.

1310
01:11:52,033 --> 01:11:52,500
Nancy's not changed.

1311
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:54,266
Thank the proposed lights have not.

1312
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:54,634
Okay.

1313
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:55,667
Been edited.

1314
01:11:59,133 --> 01:11:59,300
Okay.

1315
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:00,567
Yes.

1316
01:12:00,634 --> 01:12:03,567
And then Mr. Chairman, the final piece would be the conditional use permit.

1317
01:12:04,567 --> 01:12:07,000
Because a portion of this property is in.

1318
01:12:08,033 --> 01:12:08,567
Protected Shoreland.

1319
01:12:09,133 --> 01:12:09,166
Yep.

1320
01:12:09,367 --> 01:12:10,567
Believe it's that line.

1321
01:12:10,567 --> 01:12:13,900
There is the one 50 and that line, there is 300.

1322
01:12:16,133 --> 01:12:17,300
That was where the previous packet.

1323
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:18,000
Wasn't it.

1324
01:12:19,233 --> 01:12:20,767
Well, let's go with a.

1325
01:12:22,900 --> 01:12:23,834
That permit first.

1326
01:12:24,767 --> 01:12:28,867
Yeah.And the disturbance doesn't change because nothing else exterior really changed.

1327
01:12:29,166 --> 01:12:31,667
And we, we are reducing the.

1328
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,500
Existing impervious area.

1329
01:12:35,233 --> 01:12:36,500
In this proposed condition.

1330
01:12:37,533 --> 01:12:38,567
Or we continue to propose that.

1331
01:12:39,033 --> 01:12:39,300
Yes.Yeah.Yeah.

1332
01:12:45,567 --> 01:12:48,066
Henry conditions you need to respond?

1333
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:49,266
Well, there are, there are.

1334
01:12:50,667 --> 01:12:50,734
Mm-hmm

1335
01:12:52,066 --> 01:12:52,567
eight points.

1336
01:12:52,767 --> 01:12:53,100
I think.

1337
01:12:54,333 --> 01:12:55,133
Which I can

1338
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:56,033
okay.

1339
01:12:57,133 --> 01:12:57,300
Nope.

1340
01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:57,900
Five points.

1341
01:12:58,667 --> 01:13:02,000
Which are part of 9.3 0.4 G two.

1342
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:02,867
Conditional uses.

1343
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,000
Uses the proposed development will not detrimentally affect surface water quality.

1344
01:13:08,934 --> 01:13:12,667
To the waterworks pond or result in unhelpful conditions due to the proposed stormwater

1345
01:13:12,667 --> 01:13:13,133
management.

1346
01:13:14,567 --> 01:13:18,000
That meets a town of Exeter requirements that is proposed for the property.

1347
01:13:18,867 --> 01:13:19,533
And in addition, no

1348
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:22,133
snow will be stored within the.

1349
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:25,300
The Shoreland district in the.

1350
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,000
In the, in the direction of the water.

1351
01:13:31,834 --> 01:13:32,000
Pond.

1352
01:13:32,166 --> 01:13:33,133
I, I would suppose.

1353
01:13:34,634 --> 01:13:38,867
The project will solely discharge domestic wastewater through the municipal sewer system.

1354
01:13:39,634 --> 01:13:42,300
There will be no onsite discharge or storage of.

1355
01:13:44,066 --> 01:13:47,900
Excuse me or disposal of hazardous or toxic wastes on the property.

1356
01:13:49,233 --> 01:13:54,000
Letter C the proposed development will not result in any damage to spawning grounds

1357
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,033
or other habitat.

1358
01:13:56,033 --> 01:13:59,533
All storm water from the development area that is directed towards the waterworks pond

1359
01:13:59,634 --> 01:14:01,367
will be infiltrated into the ground.

1360
01:14:02,567 --> 01:14:06,000
Post-treatment and the layout has been designed to minimize.

1361
01:14:07,066 --> 01:14:11,066
Disturbance within the S P D and complies with the use regulations.

1362
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:17,000
Identified an article 9.3 0.4, with the exception of the following, which is part

1363
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,867
of this conditional use permit request.

1364
01:14:19,634 --> 01:14:20,567
Minimum lot coverage.

1365
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:24,734
The maximum impervious lot coverage is limited to 10%.

1366
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:29,500
Where we are requesting an impervious lot coverage of 78%.

1367
01:14:30,467 --> 01:14:35,100
Which as a reduction from the existing site at 79% in pervious within the

1368
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:36,300
Shoreland protection district.

1369
01:14:37,433 --> 01:14:42,667
And finally point E article 9 30, 1 of the Exodus Shoreland protection district ordinance.

1370
01:14:43,634 --> 01:14:48,033
Authority and purpose the protection, maintenance and enhancement of the waterworks pond is achieved

1371
01:14:49,133 --> 01:14:50,433
Achieved through the drainage design proposed.

1372
01:14:51,233 --> 01:14:53,000
The existing site, direct stormwater.

1373
01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:54,333
To the water.

1374
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:59,500
The current site directs water towards the waterworks pond without treatment.

1375
01:15:00,567 --> 01:15:05,433
The proposal provides porous pavement with a sand filter treatment that infiltrates all storm

1376
01:15:05,433 --> 01:15:05,734
water.

1377
01:15:06,667 --> 01:15:08,266
Up to and including the 50 year storm event.

1378
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:11,266
Okay.

1379
01:15:13,433 --> 01:15:14,433
Any questions about that?

1380
01:15:17,867 --> 01:15:18,734
I'd like to make a motion.

1381
01:15:23,867 --> 01:15:24,867
That we prove the

1382
01:15:29,533 --> 01:15:30,333
requirement here.

1383
01:15:31,533 --> 01:15:32,667
The suggestive language.

1384
01:15:32,667 --> 01:15:33,433
It's a little tough.

1385
01:15:33,934 --> 01:15:34,033
Ah,

1386
01:15:35,433 --> 01:15:35,433
right.

1387
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,166
So this is the shore warrant.

1388
01:15:37,867 --> 01:15:38,367
Shoreland.

1389
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:40,767
Protection district.

1390
01:15:42,333 --> 01:15:43,000
I don't have

1391
01:15:44,467 --> 01:15:46,100
we don't have any like, suggested.

1392
01:15:47,233 --> 01:15:48,033
Like motion.

1393
01:15:53,266 --> 01:15:53,834
On the,

1394
01:15:54,767 --> 01:15:56,066
it's not included in the memo.

1395
01:15:57,533 --> 01:15:57,567
Okay.

1396
01:15:58,033 --> 01:16:00,066
If I can get you one oh, right here.

1397
01:16:01,033 --> 01:16:01,667
Oh, okay.

1398
01:16:01,667 --> 01:16:02,300
Yeah, I have one.

1399
01:16:02,533 --> 01:16:03,033
Do, do you.

1400
01:16:04,033 --> 01:16:06,000
I could read it to you if you could read it and then I'll

1401
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:06,266
move it.

1402
01:16:06,333 --> 01:16:06,900
How's that?

1403
01:16:07,066 --> 01:16:07,166
Yeah.

1404
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:09,000
And it's the Shoreland one, right?

1405
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:09,567
Yes.

1406
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:10,000
Yeah.Yeah.

1407
01:16:10,567 --> 01:16:11,900
After reviewing the criteria.

1408
01:16:12,166 --> 01:16:13,500
For a Shoreland conditional use permit.

1409
01:16:14,467 --> 01:16:15,900
I move that the request of.

1410
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:18,300
Which one is this one?

1411
01:16:18,634 --> 01:16:19,300
Jeff Kaley.

1412
01:16:20,166 --> 01:16:22,667
26 dash 3 26 dash three.

1413
01:16:26,300 --> 01:16:28,033
For our conditional use permit, be

1414
01:16:28,634 --> 01:16:28,834
approved.

1415
01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:32,033
Approved with fallen conditions, table or denied.

1416
01:16:32,066 --> 01:16:32,834
I would recommend.

1417
01:16:33,734 --> 01:16:36,367
Two conditions that were recommended by the conservation commission.

1418
01:16:36,367 --> 01:16:37,066
Wasn't that one?

1419
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:37,266
Yeah.

1420
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:42,266
These were the ones, the conservation commission recommended that the soils located around and

1421
01:16:42,266 --> 01:16:46,000
under the existing building a tested for contamination after building removal and shown to

1422
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:46,066
be.

1423
01:16:46,467 --> 01:16:49,834
In the in line with state requirements and to the monitoring.

1424
01:16:49,834 --> 01:16:52,367
Well, located onsite is decommissioned and.

1425
01:16:53,533 --> 01:16:54,567
Re removed until after cons.

1426
01:16:55,834 --> 01:16:57,567
Until after construction and recommissioned.

1427
01:17:00,433 --> 01:17:01,000
All set.

1428
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:01,266
Okay.

1429
01:17:01,266 --> 01:17:02,900
So if you move, I'll try this one.

1430
01:17:03,467 --> 01:17:05,433
And Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry to interrupt you, Nancy.

1431
01:17:05,667 --> 01:17:06,533
I believe both of those.

1432
01:17:07,066 --> 01:17:07,767
Notes are on the plans.

1433
01:17:09,133 --> 01:17:09,133
Plans.

1434
01:17:09,567 --> 01:17:09,900
Okay.

1435
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:10,667
My apologies.

1436
01:17:10,767 --> 01:17:11,433
No, no need.

1437
01:17:11,467 --> 01:17:14,033
And it's good to just put 'em here for, you know yeah, it does

1438
01:17:14,133 --> 01:17:15,000
for visibility sake.

1439
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:15,500
Cutting.

1440
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:16,500
Nice pressing teeth.

1441
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:17,000
So.

1442
01:17:17,533 --> 01:17:17,734
I will move.

1443
01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:22,066
The conditional use permit.

1444
01:17:23,066 --> 01:17:25,500
As as described by our town planner.

1445
01:17:27,166 --> 01:17:30,433
And including the conditions stated be approved.

1446
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:34,100
I kind of John the glove, but that's the best I could do.

1447
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:34,266
Sorry.

1448
01:17:34,333 --> 01:17:34,834
I'll second.

1449
01:17:35,033 --> 01:17:35,867
Thank you second.

1450
01:17:36,100 --> 01:17:36,266
Okay.

1451
01:17:36,634 --> 01:17:36,867
Any

1452
01:17:37,634 --> 01:17:37,867
questions?

1453
01:17:37,867 --> 01:17:38,266
Discussion.

1454
01:17:40,033 --> 01:17:41,734
We can do hand votes on this captain.

1455
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:43,000
So

1456
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:45,266
those in favor, please raise your right hand.

1457
01:17:46,300 --> 01:17:47,433
Mm-hmm opposed.

1458
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,000
Senses the eyes.

1459
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:49,266
Have it.

1460
01:17:50,767 --> 01:17:51,367
Okay now.

1461
01:17:52,367 --> 01:17:54,033
Can I ask a one question?

1462
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:54,634
Sure.

1463
01:17:54,700 --> 01:17:55,266
If that's all.

1464
01:17:56,166 --> 01:17:56,166
Right.

1465
01:17:56,767 --> 01:18:00,333
We have not talked about the architectural features of this, but I, I did

1466
01:18:00,333 --> 01:18:01,100
wanna ask.

1467
01:18:02,100 --> 01:18:02,367
On the

1468
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:06,567
I guess it would be the third floor.

1469
01:18:06,734 --> 01:18:08,000
It almost looked well.

1470
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:11,000
It would have railing if it was a balcony, but is that.

1471
01:18:12,033 --> 01:18:12,634
I'm looking at this picture.

1472
01:18:13,667 --> 01:18:15,033
Oh, let me get that up for you.

1473
01:18:15,033 --> 01:18:15,133
Go on.

1474
01:18:27,133 --> 01:18:28,000
It's yeah.

1475
01:18:43,233 --> 01:18:44,634
Yeah, that one, that wouldn't work.

1476
01:18:55,567 --> 01:18:56,066
Here we go.

1477
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:02,266
Okay.

1478
01:19:03,066 --> 01:19:07,867
So it's probably just the pers the perspective, but almost it almost looks like

1479
01:19:07,867 --> 01:19:08,433
there's a.

1480
01:19:09,667 --> 01:19:12,533
A platform at the, at the base of the.

1481
01:19:13,333 --> 01:19:14,634
White area of that building.

1482
01:19:15,634 --> 01:19:16,667
And I'm assuming it's just.

1483
01:19:17,900 --> 01:19:17,934
The way

1484
01:19:18,834 --> 01:19:22,634
crown, because you'd have to have something around it, but yeah, you, you can

1485
01:19:22,634 --> 01:19:23,567
see up on the top.

1486
01:19:24,033 --> 01:19:25,500
I see those are balcony.

1487
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:26,834
Balconies, but yes, this is,

1488
01:19:28,033 --> 01:19:29,300
I would suspect probably.

1489
01:19:30,300 --> 01:19:31,166
A foot wide at the most.

1490
01:19:31,333 --> 01:19:31,667
Okay.

1491
01:19:34,533 --> 01:19:36,367
And I guess just from a personal.

1492
01:19:37,333 --> 01:19:38,166
I just, I will say this.

1493
01:19:38,634 --> 01:19:38,867
It.

1494
01:19:39,867 --> 01:19:43,834
No bearing really on the approval of it, but I I'm just really disappointed

1495
01:19:43,934 --> 01:19:47,333
that this doesn't sort of give a nod to the historical features.

1496
01:19:48,033 --> 01:19:49,033
Features of the rest of our community.

1497
01:19:49,166 --> 01:19:50,066
It just feels.

1498
01:19:50,867 --> 01:19:56,033
Very modern and, and I'm not opposed to modern, but I, it, it just

1499
01:19:56,133 --> 01:19:56,367
is.

1500
01:19:58,233 --> 01:19:59,734
It's very boxy and

1501
01:20:01,333 --> 01:20:02,000
it just doesn't have

1502
01:20:03,166 --> 01:20:03,300
.

1503
01:20:04,166 --> 01:20:04,867
Well, we have my opinion.

1504
01:20:04,867 --> 01:20:08,033
It doesn't fight not, we, it doesn't, the architect had a foot, had a

1505
01:20:08,033 --> 01:20:11,900
footprint to work with and I realize that I think it's gonna be a

1506
01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:12,100
very at.

1507
01:20:12,567 --> 01:20:13,166
Attractive building at the end of the day.

1508
01:20:13,166 --> 01:20:13,734
What do.

1509
01:20:14,867 --> 01:20:15,367
Well, here's my comment.

1510
01:20:16,133 --> 01:20:18,834
How do you think blue ribbon cleaners look when it was built?

1511
01:20:19,033 --> 01:20:20,767
Well, it's smaller for one thing,

1512
01:20:21,433 --> 01:20:22,100
but it's fifties.

1513
01:20:22,367 --> 01:20:22,834
It's shorter.

1514
01:20:23,066 --> 01:20:24,433
Now, but it's, so this is the two thousands.

1515
01:20:24,467 --> 01:20:24,834
Okay.

1516
01:20:25,033 --> 01:20:26,100
I mean, that's what I agree.

1517
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:28,066
Well, as, as I said, it's the first don't agree opinion.

1518
01:20:28,133 --> 01:20:31,100
It's not, it's just my thought on the building.

1519
01:20:31,433 --> 01:20:32,667
And no, I know I'm just

1520
01:20:33,233 --> 01:20:34,033
for what it's worth.

1521
01:20:34,133 --> 01:20:34,500
And I.

1522
01:20:35,233 --> 01:20:37,367
And I think the other thing that bothers me and.

1523
01:20:39,266 --> 01:20:41,000
Is that there really isn't anything.

1524
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:41,867
Around it.

1525
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,066
That's that's.

1526
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,066
And I hate to compare it to another building that's in this general vicinity

1527
01:20:49,166 --> 01:20:51,133
but it's a fairly, there's another building.

1528
01:20:52,166 --> 01:20:54,367
In a neighboring lot that doesn't have.

1529
01:20:55,433 --> 01:20:57,100
It's the road and the side of the building.

1530
01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:59,033
It's, it's very abrupt.

1531
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:03,000
And it doesn't have any, doesn't have flower pots.

1532
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,333
It doesn't have any green of any kind.

1533
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:07,867
And it just it's unappealing.

1534
01:21:07,867 --> 01:21:09,166
And I just feel like this is.

1535
01:21:10,100 --> 01:21:11,066
Kind of does the same thing.

1536
01:21:11,133 --> 01:21:12,300
It just, yeah, it's fine.

1537
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:16,000
It's the side of the building and right down to the pavement, there aren'tany.

1538
01:21:17,333 --> 01:21:18,133
There aren't any

1539
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:20,100
flower boxes.

1540
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:21,066
There's nothing to.

1541
01:21:22,133 --> 01:21:25,767
Kind of make it look more inviting and I, I don't know if that's

1542
01:21:25,767 --> 01:21:27,000
something that can be done.

1543
01:21:28,266 --> 01:21:30,900
At some point, even after this gets approved.

1544
01:21:31,033 --> 01:21:32,500
Oh, they, they may choose to put some

1545
01:21:33,133 --> 01:21:35,900
like planting barrels down there, which would have to come.

1546
01:21:36,367 --> 01:21:37,867
Inside during winter months, if they're using.

1547
01:21:38,667 --> 01:21:40,567
It looks like you have one on the side.

1548
01:21:41,533 --> 01:21:42,367
Of where the door goes.

1549
01:21:42,533 --> 01:21:42,867
Yeah.

1550
01:21:42,867 --> 01:21:45,033
And then obviously one in the front against.

1551
01:21:46,100 --> 01:21:46,333
Portsmouth avenue,

1552
01:21:47,133 --> 01:21:50,100
which is, which is a wider green space with the plantings.

1553
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:50,266
Yeah.

1554
01:21:50,433 --> 01:21:53,033
Oh, that's right up next to the road, but not the next building.

1555
01:21:53,033 --> 01:21:54,066
Yeah, no, not next to the.

1556
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:57,433
Building Gwen, because that's what I know it is where we use the pervious

1557
01:21:57,433 --> 01:21:58,100
papers, right.

1558
01:21:58,100 --> 01:21:59,166
To collect the stormwater.

1559
01:21:59,166 --> 01:21:59,634
Right, right.

1560
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:01,433
And provide stormwater treatment for the property.

1561
01:22:01,533 --> 01:22:02,300
It's just, again,

1562
01:22:02,667 --> 01:22:03,300
it's just a comment

1563
01:22:04,233 --> 01:22:04,834
and being.

1564
01:22:06,767 --> 01:22:08,000
Just felt a need to.

1565
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,166
And I've heard other people express concerns about it, not on the board, but

1566
01:22:09,133 --> 01:22:09,000
Explain.

1567
01:22:13,166 --> 01:22:15,333
other people who have seen the plan, but.

1568
01:22:16,433 --> 01:22:17,300
Yeah, that's it.

1569
01:22:20,667 --> 01:22:22,066
I think we should look at the.

1570
01:22:23,066 --> 01:22:23,834
Waiver request.

1571
01:22:25,333 --> 01:22:26,066
Is this set back.

1572
01:22:27,033 --> 01:22:27,100
Yep.

1573
01:22:27,166 --> 01:22:28,066
Thank you, Mr. Chairman,

1574
01:22:28,934 --> 01:22:29,667
we respectfully.

1575
01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:33,266
Request a waiver to the town site plan, review and subdivision regulations.

1576
01:22:34,300 --> 01:22:40,333
Section 9.3 0.6 0.4, which restricts grading within five feet of any exterior property

1577
01:22:40,333 --> 01:22:40,634
line.

1578
01:22:41,734 --> 01:22:43,100
We feel the waiver is justified.

1579
01:22:44,166 --> 01:22:49,066
As the proposed design provides adequate space to work between the proposed disturbance and

1580
01:22:49,066 --> 01:22:49,734
the property line.

1581
01:22:50,667 --> 01:22:54,500
Therefore granting of the waiver will not, detriment will not be detrimental.

1582
01:22:55,433 --> 01:22:56,533
To public safety, health, or welfare.

1583
01:22:57,700 --> 01:23:00,100
Nor could it be deemed injurious to other property?

1584
01:23:01,166 --> 01:23:03,734
The conditions upon which this request is made.

1585
01:23:04,767 --> 01:23:08,333
Are expressly due to the fact that the proposed building being proposed.

1586
01:23:09,133 --> 01:23:10,734
In the same location as the existing.

1587
01:23:11,834 --> 01:23:14,100
Which is closer than five feet to the, to the property line.

1588
01:23:15,066 --> 01:23:16,533
The existing building driveway.

1589
01:23:17,533 --> 01:23:21,166
Et cetera are all within five feet of existing parcel boundaries.

1590
01:23:21,867 --> 01:23:23,367
And this is unique to the parcel.

1591
01:23:24,166 --> 01:23:29,333
And the proposal does not generally, which is not generally applicable to other properties

1592
01:23:30,767 --> 01:23:34,767
Due to the location of the existing features as referenced above, it would be

1593
01:23:34,767 --> 01:23:37,634
impossible to improve this site without such encroachment.

1594
01:23:38,834 --> 01:23:40,100
This would result in the hardship.

1595
01:23:40,266 --> 01:23:43,767
If the strict letter of the regulations is carried out, as it would be

1596
01:23:43,767 --> 01:23:46,667
illogical to implement this rule on the current layout.

1597
01:23:47,066 --> 01:23:47,567
Of this parcel,

1598
01:23:48,333 --> 01:23:51,433
given the current layout of this parcel, excuse me, care will be taken to

1599
01:23:51,433 --> 01:23:52,533
ensure no disturbance.

1600
01:23:53,333 --> 01:23:55,000
On the abutting pars parcels, unless.

1601
01:23:56,033 --> 01:23:57,333
Authorized by the abutting parcel owners.

1602
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:01,100
The waiver would not be contrary to spirit and 10 of the regulations.

1603
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:06,133
As the proposed development will result in adequate width for construction to take place

1604
01:24:07,066 --> 01:24:09,433
Without causing harm to a buddy property.

1605
01:24:10,734 --> 01:24:12,133
And finally the proposed waiver

1606
01:24:12,867 --> 01:24:16,767
does not propose to vary the provisions of the zoning ordinance or master plan

1607
01:24:17,367 --> 01:24:18,033
This is demo.

1608
01:24:18,667 --> 01:24:22,533
Demonstrated by the facts cited above as well as the fact that no structures

1609
01:24:22,533 --> 01:24:25,066
are to be located within five feet of the property line.

1610
01:24:25,266 --> 01:24:26,166
No news structures.

1611
01:24:26,166 --> 01:24:26,734
Excuse me.

1612
01:24:30,467 --> 01:24:30,834
Okay.

1613
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:37,667
Mr Sharples.

1614
01:24:37,667 --> 01:24:39,900
Do you have any like suggested conditions?

1615
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,333
We're good right on the waivers?

1616
01:24:41,367 --> 01:24:44,000
No. Yep. Just wanted to make sure, cuz we don't have that here.

1617
01:24:44,567 --> 01:24:44,567
Either.

1618
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,634
I'm going to try to make a question.

1619
01:24:46,634 --> 01:24:47,166
Oh, okay.

1620
01:24:47,667 --> 01:24:48,634
Now the waiver motions either.

1621
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:49,133
No.

1622
01:24:52,567 --> 01:24:54,066
Yeah, that I did get that.

1623
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:54,433
Okay.

1624
01:24:54,533 --> 01:24:55,367
So I moved.

1625
01:24:56,367 --> 01:24:56,367
Moved

1626
01:24:57,233 --> 01:24:57,900
to waive.

1627
01:24:58,667 --> 01:24:59,367
The setback per

1628
01:25:00,066 --> 01:25:03,000
9.3 0.6 0.4.

1629
01:25:04,634 --> 01:25:07,266
For planning board case number 26 dash three.

1630
01:25:07,300 --> 01:25:08,000
Be approved.

1631
01:25:09,634 --> 01:25:10,033
I'll second.

1632
01:25:11,066 --> 01:25:11,767
Moved and seconded.

1633
01:25:13,934 --> 01:25:15,033
So we'll do a hand vote again.

1634
01:25:16,033 --> 01:25:18,133
Those in favor, please indicate by raising your right hand.

1635
01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:20,533
Those opposed.

1636
01:25:21,333 --> 01:25:22,300
Pensions the aye.

1637
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:22,834
Have it.

1638
01:25:23,634 --> 01:25:24,266
That's all set.

1639
01:25:28,166 --> 01:25:28,433
Now

1640
01:25:29,500 --> 01:25:30,066
was another

1641
01:25:34,233 --> 01:25:36,433
was another waiver that request you had?

1642
01:25:36,667 --> 01:25:37,333
I don't think so.

1643
01:25:38,033 --> 01:25:39,066
No. We've we've.

1644
01:25:39,233 --> 01:25:42,066
Come to the determination that after our lighting crew went through, or our lighting

1645
01:25:42,033 --> 01:25:45,266
engineers went through and corrected that it is no longer required.

1646
01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:46,667
Required.Alright.

1647
01:25:46,934 --> 01:25:48,300
And we didn't need one for.

1648
01:25:49,133 --> 01:25:49,567
Loading zone.

1649
01:25:51,433 --> 01:25:53,834
That's what we did talk about that at the last meeting, but

1650
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,066
I don't know, was it the hotel?

1651
01:25:58,100 --> 01:25:58,100
Yeah.

1652
01:25:59,367 --> 01:26:00,066
Yes, it was.

1653
01:26:00,066 --> 01:26:00,166
Okay.

1654
01:26:00,266 --> 01:26:01,166
Thank you for changing this.

1655
01:26:01,166 --> 01:26:02,000
Yeah, that was the hotel.

1656
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:02,433
Yeah.

1657
01:26:02,433 --> 01:26:02,734
Yeah.

1658
01:26:02,934 --> 01:26:04,166
Just making sure.

1659
01:26:10,133 --> 01:26:11,367
So Dave, have you got your.

1660
01:26:12,533 --> 01:26:13,133
Conditions.

1661
01:26:13,133 --> 01:26:13,867
You're usually

1662
01:26:15,233 --> 01:26:16,066
yeah, you ready?

1663
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:20,166
Can we have, I have like a couple, we got a couple other questions

1664
01:26:20,166 --> 01:26:20,834
discussion items.

1665
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:21,133
Go ahead.

1666
01:26:21,166 --> 01:26:22,166
I can bring it back to the board.

1667
01:26:22,166 --> 01:26:23,834
Just potential conditions.

1668
01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:25,033
So actually,

1669
01:26:25,333 --> 01:26:27,333
one is just more of a question for Mr. Sharples.

1670
01:26:27,333 --> 01:26:28,000
If I can ask that.

1671
01:26:28,233 --> 01:26:28,500
So.

1672
01:26:29,533 --> 01:26:33,033
The, the commercial is being listed as professional and.

1673
01:26:34,667 --> 01:26:35,100
Retail.

1674
01:26:35,533 --> 01:26:38,900
So does that mean, like, it can't be a restaurant.

1675
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:41,066
Or

1676
01:26:42,100 --> 01:26:42,266
coffee shop.

1677
01:26:43,367 --> 01:26:46,900
Yeah, I'll, I'll defer the Alan, but you know, if you put a restaurant

1678
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,033
in there, you know, you're probably gonna bump up against the part.

1679
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:51,734
Part you're not gonna have enough parking, right?

1680
01:26:51,734 --> 01:26:53,033
So this is this approval.

1681
01:26:53,166 --> 01:26:56,133
Like with this amount of parking is only the amount of parking for.

1682
01:26:57,133 --> 01:27:00,066
Whatever is allowed under the zoning that doesn't trigger additional.

1683
01:27:00,934 --> 01:27:03,900
Per, you know, like anything that's I would say anything's allowed under the zoning

1684
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:04,100
ordinance.

1685
01:27:04,233 --> 01:27:04,567
Yeah.

1686
01:27:05,333 --> 01:27:06,634
That they don't exceed anything.

1687
01:27:06,767 --> 01:27:07,033
Would.

1688
01:27:08,033 --> 01:27:09,033
Would go, could go in there.

1689
01:27:09,166 --> 01:27:09,533
Yeah.

1690
01:27:09,634 --> 01:27:12,533
But if so, so could I just follow up on your question if.

1691
01:27:13,333 --> 01:27:14,900
If we determined that the.

1692
01:27:16,033 --> 01:27:17,667
Pedestrian and traffic.

1693
01:27:18,467 --> 01:27:20,433
Interaction was a problematic in that front lot.

1694
01:27:21,333 --> 01:27:21,333
If

1695
01:27:22,266 --> 01:27:23,433
a high turnover

1696
01:27:24,233 --> 01:27:25,634
coffee shop goes in there.

1697
01:27:25,767 --> 01:27:26,166
Mm-hmm .

1698
01:27:27,066 --> 01:27:27,433
Can we

1699
01:27:28,467 --> 01:27:31,734
set as a condition that a high turnover coffee shop cannot go in.

1700
01:27:33,700 --> 01:27:34,066
Well, I

1701
01:27:35,066 --> 01:27:38,000
I wouldn't really suggest that if you were saying something like that, I would

1702
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:38,834
suggest, you know,

1703
01:27:39,934 --> 01:27:42,667
you know, something you return to the board for, you know, like, I don't

1704
01:27:42,667 --> 01:27:44,533
know, but like what, what, gimme a scenario.

1705
01:27:45,333 --> 01:27:45,834
Work that out though.

1706
01:27:45,900 --> 01:27:49,066
I'd like a little more discussion on that because like, what is unsafe about

1707
01:27:49,066 --> 01:27:49,634
the parking lot?

1708
01:27:50,467 --> 01:27:51,533
Because, okay.

1709
01:27:51,533 --> 01:27:53,500
Say you, you know, a car comes in and.

1710
01:27:54,300 --> 01:27:56,767
You know, every 15 minutes or a car comes in every hour.

1711
01:27:57,700 --> 01:27:58,533
What's the difference?

1712
01:27:58,533 --> 01:27:59,867
What is the concern here?

1713
01:28:00,066 --> 01:28:01,066
You know, what are the specifics?

1714
01:28:01,166 --> 01:28:03,533
I I'd want the, if you want, I could go through it.

1715
01:28:03,634 --> 01:28:05,367
I mean, I, no, no. I think that's what you would.

1716
01:28:05,900 --> 01:28:09,333
Want to, you would want to justify that in a conversation before you made

1717
01:28:09,367 --> 01:28:12,100
a condition of approval with that, like outline your concern.

1718
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:13,100
That's what I would suggest.

1719
01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:13,900
Okay.

1720
01:28:14,433 --> 01:28:17,834
And see if the applicant can, maybe the applicant could do something on a

1721
01:28:17,834 --> 01:28:18,033
remedy.

1722
01:28:18,033 --> 01:28:18,567
It, so.

1723
01:28:19,634 --> 01:28:19,634
Okay.

1724
01:28:19,667 --> 01:28:22,767
I mean, I think whether I know this is a, a change use, but

1725
01:28:22,767 --> 01:28:23,867
we had this discussion.

1726
01:28:24,767 --> 01:28:25,500
At one of the prior meetings.

1727
01:28:25,634 --> 01:28:25,867
So

1728
01:28:26,834 --> 01:28:28,100
I can, I could go through it again if you want.

1729
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:28,266
Yeah.

1730
01:28:28,266 --> 01:28:29,300
I, I wasn't here during those.

1731
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:29,500
Yeah.

1732
01:28:30,033 --> 01:28:32,634
So, so, but, but also, you know, you asked me.

1733
01:28:33,133 --> 01:28:35,033
A question and maybe, and I know you closed the public hearing.

1734
01:28:36,033 --> 01:28:40,100
You might want to reopen it so the applicant could speak or anyone could

1735
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:42,033
speak on those limited issues that we're discussing.

1736
01:28:42,166 --> 01:28:42,433
Yep.

1737
01:28:43,233 --> 01:28:45,100
So, I guess before we do that though, like, so.

1738
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:47,133
Just cause I don't have like the zoning.

1739
01:28:48,367 --> 01:28:48,634
Chart in front of me.

1740
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:49,333
So.

1741
01:28:50,667 --> 01:28:52,166
Parking requirements for

1742
01:28:53,500 --> 01:28:57,900
retail versus isn't there like a specific parking requirement for like,

1743
01:28:58,667 --> 01:29:01,166
a a food establishment, like it's by seats.

1744
01:29:01,300 --> 01:29:01,634
Yeah.

1745
01:29:01,667 --> 01:29:02,000
Versus

1746
01:29:02,734 --> 01:29:03,433
by square footage.

1747
01:29:03,667 --> 01:29:04,033
Yeah.

1748
01:29:04,033 --> 01:29:05,900
Retail's like one space for every 300.

1749
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:06,634
So if it became.

1750
01:29:07,066 --> 01:29:07,266
Like a coffee shop.

1751
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:09,867
We'd have to go buy like number of seats, correct.

1752
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:10,433
Okay.

1753
01:29:10,433 --> 01:29:10,767
Yeah.

1754
01:29:11,066 --> 01:29:13,834
You'd have to go buy the parking and then if it exceeds, exceeds the

1755
01:29:13,834 --> 01:29:14,900
24, if the.

1756
01:29:15,233 --> 01:29:18,066
Use goes in there, you limit the use by limiting the parking.

1757
01:29:18,166 --> 01:29:19,066
So yeah.

1758
01:29:19,033 --> 01:29:21,634
You know, if, if I guess that was my question, that was kind of

1759
01:29:21,634 --> 01:29:22,367
the answer to my question.

1760
01:29:22,367 --> 01:29:23,133
At least if you wanna.

1761
01:29:23,634 --> 01:29:27,000
Open up them, but, but, but the problem, well, the problem, the issue here

1762
01:29:27,033 --> 01:29:28,533
is they have parking.

1763
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,133
They have an easement, they can pocket it park next door.

1764
01:29:31,133 --> 01:29:31,567
They can.

1765
01:29:32,033 --> 01:29:32,100
Park at the bank.

1766
01:29:32,634 --> 01:29:33,266
So the parking.

1767
01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:35,000
It's the we'll work itself out

1768
01:29:35,767 --> 01:29:39,367
that won't stop the zoning they have, they can, they can park at banks

1769
01:29:39,367 --> 01:29:40,033
parking lot.

1770
01:29:40,133 --> 01:29:40,767
That's the issue.

1771
01:29:40,767 --> 01:29:41,533
Could I address that?

1772
01:29:41,533 --> 01:29:42,033
Mr. Chair?

1773
01:29:42,467 --> 01:29:42,500
Yes.

1774
01:29:42,500 --> 01:29:42,667
Just quickly.

1775
01:29:42,700 --> 01:29:43,000
Yes.

1776
01:29:43,066 --> 01:29:43,333
Hold on.

1777
01:29:43,533 --> 01:29:48,000
I'd suggest you reopen, you're reopen that for your comments specifically to the stop

1778
01:29:48,066 --> 01:29:48,166
I guess.

1779
01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:48,834
Thank you.

1780
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,433
And, and just so I'd reopen.

1781
01:29:50,867 --> 01:29:52,433
It to anybody who wants to speak on those issues.

1782
01:29:52,433 --> 01:29:52,767
Sure.

1783
01:29:53,033 --> 01:29:53,433
Great.

1784
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:55,166
Thank you to address it.

1785
01:29:55,433 --> 01:29:55,667
So.

1786
01:29:56,934 --> 01:29:58,100
The parking is limited.

1787
01:29:58,867 --> 01:30:00,066
In the ordinance already.

1788
01:30:01,133 --> 01:30:01,834
By each use, right?

1789
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,300
So we're suggesting a commercial use.

1790
01:30:05,133 --> 01:30:06,033
On the ground floor

1791
01:30:06,533 --> 01:30:08,033
who don't know what tenant.

1792
01:30:09,133 --> 01:30:11,000
May or may not be interested in that space right now.

1793
01:30:12,100 --> 01:30:14,066
If it were to switch to a restaurant.

1794
01:30:14,900 --> 01:30:15,333
I think it's

1795
01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:19,033
not, it's a misnomer, the parking for the lot.

1796
01:30:20,266 --> 01:30:22,433
Has to be calculated on the lot.

1797
01:30:22,700 --> 01:30:24,367
It's not being calculated offsite.

1798
01:30:25,333 --> 01:30:26,000
We've established that.

1799
01:30:26,734 --> 01:30:27,033
So

1800
01:30:28,033 --> 01:30:29,100
if there was a change in use.

1801
01:30:30,100 --> 01:30:32,533
The applicant and there was a parking implication to that.

1802
01:30:32,567 --> 01:30:33,900
Your ordinance already.

1803
01:30:34,667 --> 01:30:37,133
Provides the rubric that we would need to work under.

1804
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:38,166
So,

1805
01:30:39,033 --> 01:30:41,533
and there's, we don't have a definition of a high.

1806
01:30:42,300 --> 01:30:42,433
Intensity

1807
01:30:43,367 --> 01:30:44,333
use coffee shop.

1808
01:30:44,500 --> 01:30:44,767
So.

1809
01:30:45,533 --> 01:30:46,000
There is restaurant,

1810
01:30:46,934 --> 01:30:47,133
right?

1811
01:30:47,500 --> 01:30:50,367
And there's a parking calculation provided for that.

1812
01:30:51,233 --> 01:30:51,266
So

1813
01:30:52,166 --> 01:30:53,333
we're calculating the parking.

1814
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:55,500
With under the zoning ordinance.

1815
01:30:56,367 --> 01:30:59,100
If there's a chance of use the applicant or an owner would be compelled

1816
01:30:59,100 --> 01:30:59,767
to come back here.

1817
01:31:00,567 --> 01:31:01,333
To try to address that use.

1818
01:31:02,033 --> 01:31:06,667
And in this scenario, unless something drastically changes in the zoning ordinance.

1819
01:31:08,166 --> 01:31:11,000
There's they're simply not going to be able to permit.

1820
01:31:11,834 --> 01:31:11,867
That use

1821
01:31:12,767 --> 01:31:13,033
right.

1822
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:17,066
We, we went through that kind of rigmarole before here.

1823
01:31:18,300 --> 01:31:20,066
So we're just asking that we permit.

1824
01:31:21,133 --> 01:31:23,000
The commercial, we have commercial space on the first floor

1825
01:31:23,834 --> 01:31:25,033
we're complying with.

1826
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:28,367
The parking as defined by the ordinance and the state RSA.

1827
01:31:29,333 --> 01:31:31,867
So if there's a change, the applicant has to come.

1828
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,834
I always laugh when there's that condition of, well, you must comply with, with

1829
01:31:34,834 --> 01:31:37,166
the Ben zoning ordinance, because that is a given.

1830
01:31:37,934 --> 01:31:39,066
The applicant would've to come back.

1831
01:31:40,166 --> 01:31:40,166
So

1832
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,767
it's well defined in this ordinance.

1833
01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:46,066
I, I don't think it's necessary in any way to further define it.

1834
01:31:47,333 --> 01:31:51,066
Given what the ordinance provides and that's the, that would be the normative way

1835
01:31:51,500 --> 01:31:52,066
to address.

1836
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:57,367
This exact issue, the ordinance provides that there's no need to have a further

1837
01:31:57,367 --> 01:31:58,100
condition.

1838
01:31:58,100 --> 01:31:58,667
That would be.

1839
01:31:59,433 --> 01:31:59,767
Pretty arduous

1840
01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:02,066
and somewhat inequitable.

1841
01:32:03,066 --> 01:32:05,433
In a situation like this, the ordinances, the definition.

1842
01:32:06,467 --> 01:32:06,567
And here

1843
01:32:07,433 --> 01:32:08,567
it would be highly.

1844
01:32:09,333 --> 01:32:10,734
Unlikely based on those calculations.

1845
01:32:11,767 --> 01:32:14,000
That that the particular use in question would be.

1846
01:32:15,066 --> 01:32:15,834
Permanent here.

1847
01:32:17,934 --> 01:32:20,367
So the, the op an applicant would've to come back for that.

1848
01:32:21,133 --> 01:32:25,033
And it's unlikely that that would actually work here given the size and spacing

1849
01:32:25,033 --> 01:32:25,533
on the slot.

1850
01:32:28,133 --> 01:32:31,066
And to give you an example, it would be a 12 seat restaurant.

1851
01:32:31,367 --> 01:32:33,900
yeah, that that's all that would be allowed.

1852
01:32:34,100 --> 01:32:34,333
So.

1853
01:32:35,233 --> 01:32:38,834
In in the entire bottom floor, the, the, restaurant's not my concern.

1854
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,100
It's a, it's a high turn of a coffee shop.

1855
01:32:42,100 --> 01:32:42,100
Come in,

1856
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:43,834
grab your coffee.

1857
01:32:44,567 --> 01:32:48,500
And, you know, a bagel and head out that's how you can traffic.

1858
01:32:49,166 --> 01:32:52,567
That's that it's a completely different, let's see situation than any other.

1859
01:32:52,934 --> 01:32:55,333
Type of use that would go in there, but it's not defined within the

1860
01:32:55,333 --> 01:32:55,767
ordinance.

1861
01:32:56,767 --> 01:33:00,066
So we'd be making up a use and then making up a definition.

1862
01:33:00,934 --> 01:33:05,033
Absent, either a warrant article, or an amendment to the ordinance by this board

1863
01:33:06,734 --> 01:33:07,734
Which is illegal.

1864
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:12,333
I, I hate to be that guy, but I am the lawyer sitting in

1865
01:33:12,333 --> 01:33:12,533
the room.

1866
01:33:12,533 --> 01:33:12,767
Right.

1867
01:33:12,767 --> 01:33:14,433
So Todd's here and he can fight with me about this.

1868
01:33:15,033 --> 01:33:16,033
I know it's an unsatisfactory.

1869
01:33:16,934 --> 01:33:19,000
Unsatisfactory answer, but there is a rote process.

1870
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,567
For that kind of change, especially to a definition.

1871
01:33:23,634 --> 01:33:26,767
And or a calculation or some formula that's in the ordinance.

1872
01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:28,333
We can't just ad hoc.

1873
01:33:29,333 --> 01:33:29,867
Hoc make them up.

1874
01:33:31,700 --> 01:33:33,266
Even though you are an expert in this field.

1875
01:33:33,266 --> 01:33:34,867
You're not sitting here as an expert tonight.

1876
01:33:35,834 --> 01:33:38,834
So we can't just make that up and then ratify it somehow tonight with

1877
01:33:38,867 --> 01:33:39,433
a condition.

1878
01:33:40,166 --> 01:33:41,033
It's not how it works.

1879
01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:43,266
Respectfully

1880
01:33:46,433 --> 01:33:46,567
I

1881
01:33:47,767 --> 01:33:49,567
Todd Fay again, Needham bank.

1882
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:52,734
I think the sport has every right to have sufficient.

1883
01:33:53,133 --> 01:33:57,367
Information to understand what's gonna happen on this site to apply your subdivision.

1884
01:33:59,066 --> 01:34:00,333
Your site plan approvals.

1885
01:34:01,333 --> 01:34:02,166
Approvals to what happens here.

1886
01:34:02,667 --> 01:34:05,300
And so the, the, the challenge I'm having is.

1887
01:34:07,934 --> 01:34:11,266
You don't want to be in a situation of approving something that unwittingly will

1888
01:34:11,266 --> 01:34:14,066
be contrary if implemented to your, to.

1889
01:34:14,467 --> 01:34:15,834
Your to your own.

1890
01:34:16,767 --> 01:34:17,533
Regulatory scheme.

1891
01:34:17,767 --> 01:34:18,033
Right.

1892
01:34:18,133 --> 01:34:19,066
It's really important.

1893
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,300
And you've worked really hard.

1894
01:34:20,300 --> 01:34:21,900
We spent a lot of hours on this.

1895
01:34:22,867 --> 01:34:25,300
So respectfully to my colleague.

1896
01:34:26,700 --> 01:34:28,900
You do have a right to understand what's gonna happen.

1897
01:34:29,233 --> 01:34:29,500
So.

1898
01:34:30,467 --> 01:34:32,300
This can't just be an open-ended situation.

1899
01:34:32,867 --> 01:34:34,367
And then we don't really know what's gonna happen.

1900
01:34:35,233 --> 01:34:35,266
And

1901
01:34:36,066 --> 01:34:36,667
I, I just think.

1902
01:34:37,700 --> 01:34:39,133
There needs to be a little bit of clarity.

1903
01:34:39,467 --> 01:34:42,100
And if there were a little more clarity, I think maybe we could all

1904
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:44,033
be in a different spot here, but there's not.

1905
01:34:44,166 --> 01:34:45,433
And, and respectfully, I.

1906
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:49,033
Know, these folks have worked hard to get this project permitted.

1907
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:52,166
I still think they're trying to do a lot on a small lot,

1908
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:53,734
obviously.

1909
01:34:54,634 --> 01:34:57,500
But, you know, the it's gone through a lot of iterations.

1910
01:34:58,300 --> 01:35:02,367
But I do think we need to those issues of traffic flow and pedestrian

1911
01:35:02,467 --> 01:35:03,000
safety.

1912
01:35:03,834 --> 01:35:06,367
Are are just, are writ large in your ordinance and nothing.

1913
01:35:07,233 --> 01:35:07,533
Deprives you

1914
01:35:08,133 --> 01:35:09,000
or prevents you.

1915
01:35:09,900 --> 01:35:11,300
From from issuing an approval.

1916
01:35:11,300 --> 01:35:13,367
If that'd be your per your decision tonight.

1917
01:35:14,300 --> 01:35:17,834
To to ensure that those, that there's gonna be some fidelity to those provisions

1918
01:35:17,900 --> 01:35:18,100
right.

1919
01:35:18,133 --> 01:35:20,033
That's what this town needs and wants.

1920
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:21,333
And that's your obligation.

1921
01:35:21,934 --> 01:35:22,266
That's.

1922
01:35:22,667 --> 01:35:22,834
That's my comment.

1923
01:35:22,834 --> 01:35:23,133
Thank you.

1924
01:35:23,567 --> 01:35:24,033
Thank you.

1925
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,433
Can I rebut that as the applicant?

1926
01:35:26,667 --> 01:35:27,333
Mm-hmm please.

1927
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,734
So I'm looking at section 5.6 0.6.

1928
01:35:33,266 --> 01:35:34,166
In the zoning ordinance.

1929
01:35:35,333 --> 01:35:37,033
Restaurants bars nightclubs.

1930
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:39,133
Nightclubs of Wich golf shop would fall into.

1931
01:35:40,166 --> 01:35:44,533
And it's one for each three seats, and then there's an employee component to

1932
01:35:44,533 --> 01:35:44,667
that.

1933
01:35:45,700 --> 01:35:48,100
So I, I agree with Todd, we have every right to have as much

1934
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:48,433
info.

1935
01:35:48,433 --> 01:35:51,066
We we're providing all of the information that we're compelled to you.

1936
01:35:51,066 --> 01:35:53,066
Plus more, we are trying to comply.

1937
01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:55,867
And we have been trying to comply with the parking ordinance.

1938
01:35:56,934 --> 01:35:58,066
It would be highly unlikely.

1939
01:35:59,066 --> 01:36:02,367
That a 12 seat coffee shop would go into the entire first floor of

1940
01:36:02,367 --> 01:36:02,900
that building.

1941
01:36:04,767 --> 01:36:08,133
And if it did, it would need to comply with the parameters in the

1942
01:36:08,133 --> 01:36:08,500
ordinance.

1943
01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:10,100
So I, I'm not arguing about.

1944
01:36:11,066 --> 01:36:13,634
Trying to provide as much information or that you have the right to ask

1945
01:36:13,667 --> 01:36:15,333
us any question that you want really.

1946
01:36:16,367 --> 01:36:18,000
And we're happy to answer.

1947
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:18,066
'em.

1948
01:36:20,133 --> 01:36:24,166
For what I'm arguing against is creating an ad hoc regulation with a condition

1949
01:36:24,166 --> 01:36:25,100
that is irrelevant.

1950
01:36:26,300 --> 01:36:27,433
Irrelevant because a change of use.

1951
01:36:28,567 --> 01:36:31,533
Would require an applicant to come back before this board.

1952
01:36:32,367 --> 01:36:33,634
And to comply with the ordinance.

1953
01:36:34,667 --> 01:36:36,133
In that moment as it's drafted.

1954
01:36:37,133 --> 01:36:37,834
And I think that that's,

1955
01:36:38,433 --> 01:36:41,066
again, the rote way that this should operate.

1956
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:43,834
Or does operate in my experience in the state.

1957
01:36:44,567 --> 01:36:44,567
So

1958
01:36:46,066 --> 01:36:48,300
we're proposing or we did the parking calculations.

1959
01:36:49,333 --> 01:36:50,567
Using professional office and retail.

1960
01:36:51,033 --> 01:36:52,867
Those are the most likely uses here

1961
01:36:53,433 --> 01:36:53,900
for changes.

1962
01:36:55,066 --> 01:36:55,066
Changes

1963
01:36:55,867 --> 01:36:59,033
Mr. Kelly or another owner would have to come back before this board.

1964
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:03,133
And comply with the calculation, but writing a new calculation for a use.

1965
01:37:03,133 --> 01:37:04,133
That's not in the ordinance.

1966
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,767
Is not something that I think would be a great idea in this moment

1967
01:37:10,467 --> 01:37:11,767
So that's all I have.

1968
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:13,333
Can I ask?

1969
01:37:14,033 --> 01:37:14,100
Oh,

1970
01:37:15,066 --> 01:37:17,834
can I add just, just on the follow-up that like is, you know,

1971
01:37:18,367 --> 01:37:21,734
I don't disagree with anyone in theory what people say, but if, if you're

1972
01:37:21,734 --> 01:37:22,867
saying like, I need to know.

1973
01:37:23,233 --> 01:37:23,900
What's going in there.

1974
01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:27,867
Mm-hmm then you've never done that as a board, since I've been here

1975
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:29,000
you've approved.

1976
01:37:29,700 --> 01:37:31,333
Multiple commercial spaces.

1977
01:37:32,166 --> 01:37:35,367
That you did not know the use and the guardrails, if you will, are

1978
01:37:35,433 --> 01:37:36,300
the zoning ordinance.

1979
01:37:37,333 --> 01:37:39,033
So, I mean, there's numerous ones.

1980
01:37:39,166 --> 01:37:42,100
I mean the, the, the one in front of gateway, the one in front

1981
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:44,033
of McKay, I mean, list goes odd.

1982
01:37:44,033 --> 01:37:45,100
There's there's numerous ones.

1983
01:37:45,700 --> 01:37:46,300
Ones on Portsmouth Ave and

1984
01:37:47,667 --> 01:37:51,033
the one you just did next to thirsty moose had commercial space, but the

1985
01:37:51,066 --> 01:37:52,033
uses in identified.

1986
01:37:52,767 --> 01:37:56,867
But the use uses are identified in the zoning that's that's, what's allowed.

1987
01:37:58,033 --> 01:38:01,000
So that would be, if you start going down that road, it's something that

1988
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,033
you, you know, I, I, I have not seen you.

1989
01:38:04,033 --> 01:38:07,000
Mm-hmm sorry, you know, requiring what what's going in there.

1990
01:38:07,100 --> 01:38:08,033
You've never done that before.

1991
01:38:08,100 --> 01:38:08,333
No.

1992
01:38:12,934 --> 01:38:14,266
Okay, let me next thing that what makes.

1993
01:38:15,066 --> 01:38:16,333
Let me bring it back to the board again.

1994
01:38:16,467 --> 01:38:16,900
I'm sorry.

1995
01:38:17,300 --> 01:38:17,667
I'm sorry.

1996
01:38:17,767 --> 01:38:18,433
Oh, go ahead, Jack.

1997
01:38:18,433 --> 01:38:18,834
Go ahead.

1998
01:38:19,634 --> 01:38:19,634
Chris,

1999
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:26,066
and I shouldn't put words into your mouth, but I'm thinking what makes you

2000
01:38:26,066 --> 01:38:26,300
nervous?

2001
01:38:26,333 --> 01:38:27,367
What makes me nervous?

2002
01:38:28,033 --> 01:38:29,266
Is just the, whether

2003
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:31,333
a person is walking from.

2004
01:38:32,367 --> 01:38:35,033
The new eye eyesight place through.

2005
01:38:36,433 --> 01:38:38,734
The Plaza to this building or.

2006
01:38:39,834 --> 01:38:45,066
Whether they're driving and parking and it's the pedestrian, it's the pedestrian crossings of

2007
01:38:45,066 --> 01:38:46,500
these roads that makes.

2008
01:38:47,433 --> 01:38:49,100
Me nervous and that will happen.

2009
01:38:50,567 --> 01:38:55,100
Potentially with whatever goes in and there's nothing we can when we can't regulate

2010
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:59,066
The number of people going in and out of that building, that's not.

2011
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:00,433
Something we can do.

2012
01:39:00,533 --> 01:39:05,133
It's not something, you know, in advance, but I think the pedestrian safety.

2013
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:06,533
Continues to be

2014
01:39:07,634 --> 01:39:08,500
a big concern.

2015
01:39:09,533 --> 01:39:10,533
For me and I don't.

2016
01:39:11,834 --> 01:39:13,834
Don't, I don't know how to address that.

2017
01:39:14,166 --> 01:39:18,634
I mean, just in, but I may be, I may be misinterpreting partly what

2018
01:39:18,634 --> 01:39:19,834
you're saying in my.

2019
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:20,033
Mind

2020
01:39:20,767 --> 01:39:21,433
the, the

2021
01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:24,100
problem is how tight that.

2022
01:39:25,133 --> 01:39:26,433
That those parking spaces are in front.

2023
01:39:27,433 --> 01:39:28,900
And a high turnover.

2024
01:39:29,700 --> 01:39:30,000
Coffee shop

2025
01:39:30,900 --> 01:39:32,533
the volume of traffic that'll be generated.

2026
01:39:33,533 --> 01:39:36,767
Will will will mean you have cars coming in, pulling in.

2027
01:39:37,700 --> 01:39:39,166
Pulling out every few minutes.

2028
01:39:40,166 --> 01:39:41,767
And you're gonna have parking.

2029
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,533
That's gonna be happening at the bank.

2030
01:39:44,367 --> 01:39:45,066
And I,

2031
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:47,066
I'm not concerned about the parking.

2032
01:39:47,066 --> 01:39:48,834
There's plenty of parking spaces out there.

2033
01:39:48,834 --> 01:39:51,567
Mm-hmm the fact is though, because they're gonna be parking over there.

2034
01:39:52,367 --> 01:39:53,300
Pedestrians are gonna be walking.

2035
01:39:54,667 --> 01:39:54,667
Across.

2036
01:39:55,100 --> 01:39:58,300
And when in that tight parking area where people will be pulling out and

2037
01:39:58,300 --> 01:39:58,834
backing out

2038
01:39:59,367 --> 01:40:02,367
that's the issue and any other type of retail.

2039
01:40:03,066 --> 01:40:03,734
Use out there.

2040
01:40:05,133 --> 01:40:06,066
It wouldn't have it to that extreme.

2041
01:40:06,767 --> 01:40:08,300
It's not perfect, but it would be fine.

2042
01:40:08,300 --> 01:40:10,333
Mm-hmm but the, in my mind,

2043
01:40:11,233 --> 01:40:13,300
the one use that will cause that problem.

2044
01:40:14,100 --> 01:40:14,333
Will be

2045
01:40:15,066 --> 01:40:17,033
a, a high turnover coffee shop.

2046
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:20,634
And if they could tell us, they're not gonna put that in.

2047
01:40:20,900 --> 01:40:22,066
I I'd be fine.

2048
01:40:22,867 --> 01:40:24,100
But if, if they can't tell us that.

2049
01:40:25,066 --> 01:40:26,100
I still have that concern.

2050
01:40:27,233 --> 01:40:28,767
I mean, I think what I was hearing is that.

2051
01:40:29,533 --> 01:40:30,900
They, they can't put that in without.

2052
01:40:31,834 --> 01:40:32,634
Going back to zoning.

2053
01:40:32,900 --> 01:40:33,066
I

2054
01:40:33,634 --> 01:40:35,100
I'd like some confirmation on that.

2055
01:40:36,033 --> 01:40:36,734
Is that true?

2056
01:40:37,533 --> 01:40:40,066
Well, it's a restaurant, so it is allowed in the zone

2057
01:40:40,734 --> 01:40:43,000
so that they can put, but it a restaurant.

2058
01:40:43,100 --> 01:40:43,767
So you take.

2059
01:40:44,166 --> 01:40:45,133
24 spots you got right.

2060
01:40:46,934 --> 01:40:48,533
26 0 26.

2061
01:40:48,634 --> 01:40:49,000
I'm sorry.

2062
01:40:49,033 --> 01:40:50,433
So, so you have, so you have

2063
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:54,333
12 for the units cuz the state law, the new state law says you

2064
01:40:54,333 --> 01:40:54,500
need.

2065
01:40:54,867 --> 01:40:56,767
One spot for every residential unit mm-hmm .

2066
01:40:56,767 --> 01:40:57,767
So that leaves 14.

2067
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,300
You need one, you need one parking spot for every three seats.

2068
01:41:02,467 --> 01:41:02,500
Seats.

2069
01:41:02,500 --> 01:41:04,634
So you'd need, you could get four.

2070
01:41:06,100 --> 01:41:07,734
You get four, three seats.

2071
01:41:07,734 --> 01:41:09,333
So 12 seat restaurant.

2072
01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:10,500
But then that's it.

2073
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:13,734
You couldn't use any of the rest of the space down there, so you

2074
01:41:13,734 --> 01:41:16,000
would, I, I, I don't know how it would happen.

2075
01:41:16,133 --> 01:41:17,900
My, my concern is not the parking.

2076
01:41:18,467 --> 01:41:21,300
Demand based on seats, a high turnover coffee shop.

2077
01:41:22,300 --> 01:41:23,333
That was in there could have.

2078
01:41:24,567 --> 01:41:27,300
Five seats and it will still generate a lot of traffic because people were

2079
01:41:27,300 --> 01:41:28,667
going up to the counter.

2080
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:32,100
Grabbing their bagel, grabbing their coffee and running out.

2081
01:41:32,166 --> 01:41:33,533
That's what generates the traffic.

2082
01:41:33,867 --> 01:41:34,533
It's not the seats.

2083
01:41:35,433 --> 01:41:35,433
Seats.

2084
01:41:35,667 --> 01:41:37,266
I understand that, but that's what our zoning says.

2085
01:41:37,300 --> 01:41:38,300
We have to go by our zoning.

2086
01:41:38,333 --> 01:41:38,667
Okay.

2087
01:41:38,900 --> 01:41:42,433
I, I, I mean, I do you like, I, I don't really know what

2088
01:41:42,433 --> 01:41:43,000
you're saying here.

2089
01:41:43,033 --> 01:41:43,433
Do you.

2090
01:41:44,567 --> 01:41:45,000
I guess then

2091
01:41:46,300 --> 01:41:49,033
if the con, so Marty, if, if I'm hearing you right, the concern, your

2092
01:41:49,033 --> 01:41:49,834
concern is.

2093
01:41:51,300 --> 01:41:52,567
Independent of parking.

2094
01:41:52,867 --> 01:41:53,266
It's just

2095
01:41:54,033 --> 01:41:55,033
turnover of that location.

2096
01:41:56,033 --> 01:41:56,266
Is that what I'm hearing?

2097
01:41:56,266 --> 01:41:58,033
It's the interaction between traffic.

2098
01:41:58,867 --> 01:42:03,734
Coming in coming out quick turnaround and pedestrians walking across the parking water, that

2099
01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:06,000
activity on this space on this lot.

2100
01:42:06,133 --> 01:42:06,867
Is there some.

2101
01:42:07,066 --> 01:42:09,834
Traffic engineering solutions that could be used.

2102
01:42:10,667 --> 01:42:13,100
To mitigate that concern or possibly to mitigate that.

2103
01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:15,333
Impact or interaction.

2104
01:42:16,567 --> 01:42:18,033
I know it's a narrow lot and it's.

2105
01:42:19,066 --> 01:42:20,000
It's scope really just to the parking.

2106
01:42:21,133 --> 01:42:22,500
In front of it, we don't have any.

2107
01:42:23,433 --> 01:42:24,634
Say over the existing.

2108
01:42:25,734 --> 01:42:27,033
Private roadways in there, but.

2109
01:42:28,033 --> 01:42:28,734
A speed tables.

2110
01:42:30,100 --> 01:42:32,567
Tables adjustments to turning the painted islands into curb.

2111
01:42:32,867 --> 01:42:33,900
So that there's a.

2112
01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:35,066
More

2113
01:42:36,934 --> 01:42:37,000
or

2114
01:42:38,333 --> 01:42:40,000
friction to the driver going through that area.

2115
01:42:41,133 --> 01:42:42,533
When there's potential.

2116
01:42:43,634 --> 01:42:44,100
Pedestrian

2117
01:42:44,867 --> 01:42:45,133
volume.

2118
01:42:47,667 --> 01:42:50,500
So I think that might be, we have lots of high turnover.

2119
01:42:52,634 --> 01:42:53,567
Places in town.

2120
01:42:56,767 --> 01:43:00,767
And, you know, there's always PO possibly issues, but these problems can be solved

2121
01:43:00,767 --> 01:43:01,533
in an engineering way.

2122
01:43:02,467 --> 01:43:04,100
Possibly, I don't know how to solve that.

2123
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:04,433
Of course.

2124
01:43:04,634 --> 01:43:04,867
But.

2125
01:43:06,233 --> 01:43:07,367
It seems like something that could be.

2126
01:43:09,500 --> 01:43:09,834
Considered

2127
01:43:11,066 --> 01:43:13,066
in lieu of saying in lieu of creating a.

2128
01:43:14,667 --> 01:43:16,667
Condition that may not be enforceable in any way.

2129
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:23,367
Problem is that a lot of the mitigation would occur on.

2130
01:43:24,166 --> 01:43:25,567
Someone else, someone else's property.

2131
01:43:25,567 --> 01:43:25,867
Yeah.

2132
01:43:26,033 --> 01:43:29,066
I mean, looking at this, the spot I see is the painted islands turning

2133
01:43:29,100 --> 01:43:29,433
into.

2134
01:43:32,133 --> 01:43:35,367
Curbed, but I don't know if from a traffic engineering standpoint, if that's enough

2135
01:43:35,367 --> 01:43:36,367
to be impactful.

2136
01:43:37,333 --> 01:43:37,367
And

2137
01:43:38,233 --> 01:43:39,734
resolve any potential issues.

2138
01:43:40,066 --> 01:43:40,367
Yeah.

2139
01:43:40,433 --> 01:43:42,834
I mean, that is the challenge that this is crossing.

2140
01:43:44,166 --> 01:43:46,000
A space that is owned by many people.

2141
01:43:47,066 --> 01:43:47,066
And

2142
01:43:48,667 --> 01:43:50,033
not in scope for this discussion.

2143
01:43:50,066 --> 01:43:50,367
Yeah.

2144
01:43:50,700 --> 01:43:51,734
Well, at the same token,

2145
01:43:52,767 --> 01:43:56,066
anybody right in the right mind, wants to have a coffee shop to do

2146
01:43:56,066 --> 01:43:57,066
that kind of traffic.

2147
01:43:57,033 --> 01:43:58,433
And they look at the situation.

2148
01:43:59,433 --> 01:44:00,066
That's not gonna work.

2149
01:44:00,066 --> 01:44:01,333
They're not gonna have the customers.

2150
01:44:01,333 --> 01:44:03,300
They need to pay for the coffee to pay for the rent.

2151
01:44:04,166 --> 01:44:07,266
I just, we're trying to rub a crystal ball here and we don't know

2152
01:44:07,266 --> 01:44:08,166
what's gonna happen down there.

2153
01:44:08,166 --> 01:44:09,100
Maybe they're gonna have.

2154
01:44:10,100 --> 01:44:11,066
Hot coffee, right in a hose.

2155
01:44:11,133 --> 01:44:13,834
And you drive down and stop and fill your cup and drive on.

2156
01:44:14,033 --> 01:44:14,567
Who knows?

2157
01:44:14,767 --> 01:44:15,166
I would go there.

2158
01:44:16,066 --> 01:44:18,033
Just, I would think we're trying to predict the.

2159
01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:20,367
Future here and we're spending too much time on it.

2160
01:44:21,133 --> 01:44:22,133
Yeah, really do I think.

2161
01:44:23,433 --> 01:44:27,033
Dave gives me the, the confidence that we have the zoning for the, the

2162
01:44:27,033 --> 01:44:27,333
right purpose.

2163
01:44:28,467 --> 01:44:30,900
And I just don't think I'm going to try to put a coffee shop

2164
01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:31,033
there.

2165
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:36,033
Cuz I I've gotta spell, send a spell, sell a lot of donuts and

2166
01:44:36,033 --> 01:44:36,300
coffee.

2167
01:44:37,133 --> 01:44:37,834
To pay the freight

2168
01:44:38,433 --> 01:44:41,066
and if nobody's coming in, because it's so hard to get in and out

2169
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,000
Or that we're there once and they backed into somebody.

2170
01:44:44,934 --> 01:44:46,567
Like somebody did the other day now at.

2171
01:44:47,433 --> 01:44:48,533
Mo's right through the door.

2172
01:44:49,266 --> 01:44:49,300
.

2173
01:44:50,667 --> 01:44:53,367
It's Holly, they're waiting for the insurance to come through, to fix the door

2174
01:44:54,133 --> 01:44:55,834
So at they had all the room of the world there.

2175
01:44:55,834 --> 01:44:57,033
They've got back into the door.

2176
01:44:57,033 --> 01:44:58,500
So those things happen.

2177
01:44:59,100 --> 01:45:01,100
But, you know, I just think that.

2178
01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:08,033
The plan speaks for itself in terms of.

2179
01:45:08,934 --> 01:45:10,333
Flexibility and what can happen there?

2180
01:45:12,867 --> 01:45:13,100
And

2181
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:16,033
there's all kinds of businesses that are certainly, I think could.

2182
01:45:16,934 --> 01:45:17,433
Use that kind of space.

2183
01:45:20,033 --> 01:45:22,033
Oh, that's where I stand on it anyway.

2184
01:45:22,100 --> 01:45:23,100
Yeah, I think I agree.

2185
01:45:23,133 --> 01:45:24,033
I think the zoning.

2186
01:45:25,266 --> 01:45:26,900
I feel pretty comfortable that the zoning.

2187
01:45:27,834 --> 01:45:32,000
Yeah, regulations will limit sort of what can happen there as well as the

2188
01:45:32,033 --> 01:45:33,100
just the site constraints.

2189
01:45:33,367 --> 01:45:35,567
So I, I personally feel satisfied with.

2190
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:37,834
My original question that I think brought this all up.

2191
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:38,066
.

2192
01:45:43,333 --> 01:45:46,333
Okay, can we move on or do you, you guys okay.

2193
01:45:47,233 --> 01:45:48,033
I said my piece.

2194
01:45:49,900 --> 01:45:51,867
And are we ready for, I, sorry, I had one more.

2195
01:45:52,066 --> 01:45:52,533
I had two things.

2196
01:45:52,667 --> 01:45:53,133
Oh, that's right.

2197
01:45:53,133 --> 01:45:54,066
I have to check with you first.

2198
01:45:54,133 --> 01:45:54,634
Two things.

2199
01:45:54,834 --> 01:45:55,066
Sorry.

2200
01:45:56,634 --> 01:45:59,100
I just wanted to discuss this and I don't wanna take up too much

2201
01:45:59,100 --> 01:45:59,133
time.

2202
01:46:00,066 --> 01:46:00,166
Again, but

2203
01:46:01,100 --> 01:46:02,634
because this is one of the first.

2204
01:46:05,900 --> 01:46:09,100
Applications that the BIS bicycle infrastructure would apply to.

2205
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:11,767
And, you know, I had to look up what we.

2206
01:46:13,100 --> 01:46:15,533
A section 8.7 0.9, the new.

2207
01:46:16,367 --> 01:46:17,734
Bike infrastructure regulation.

2208
01:46:18,767 --> 01:46:20,300
It's it's super subjective.

2209
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,734
So the applicant, what I heard is the applicant is proposing.

2210
01:46:25,100 --> 01:46:25,433
Temporary

2211
01:46:26,066 --> 01:46:28,100
bike racks to be placed in grass.

2212
01:46:29,900 --> 01:46:30,300
Ass seasonally.

2213
01:46:32,767 --> 01:46:33,000
And

2214
01:46:34,934 --> 01:46:35,634
in my opinion,

2215
01:46:36,567 --> 01:46:37,900
that would not qualify as.

2216
01:46:38,867 --> 01:46:39,867
Bicycle friendly design elements.

2217
01:46:41,133 --> 01:46:41,000
Elements

2218
01:46:41,867 --> 01:46:42,266
because

2219
01:46:43,233 --> 01:46:45,333
number one, it's not gonna be their year round.

2220
01:46:45,333 --> 01:46:47,066
Number two, it's gonna be on a grass surface.

2221
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,433
That is not great for parking a bike on.

2222
01:46:52,900 --> 01:46:53,000
And

2223
01:46:53,900 --> 01:46:54,100
number three.

2224
01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:54,767
There's really nothing.

2225
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:00,166
In this application that's unless we add it as a condition, which I would

2226
01:47:00,166 --> 01:47:01,033
recommend that we do.

2227
01:47:02,100 --> 01:47:04,000
That that be installed and maintained.

2228
01:47:04,834 --> 01:47:06,433
Or that be placed and maintained.

2229
01:47:07,700 --> 01:47:11,066
So, I guess my proposal is that we, that we add a condition at

2230
01:47:11,066 --> 01:47:13,166
the, at a minimum, at a condition that we.

2231
01:47:14,867 --> 01:47:15,634
That the applicant

2232
01:47:17,567 --> 01:47:18,033
place

2233
01:47:18,867 --> 01:47:20,066
a bike rack seasonally.

2234
01:47:23,467 --> 01:47:26,033
But personally, I prefer it be on pavement and.

2235
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:29,634
You know, be secure, be a piece of infrastructure.

2236
01:47:30,033 --> 01:47:30,433
Mm-hmm .

2237
01:47:32,033 --> 01:47:34,900
Almost doesn't make sense to put it on grass cause it's gonna get.

2238
01:47:35,834 --> 01:47:36,166
Torn up.

2239
01:47:36,166 --> 01:47:36,500
Yeah.

2240
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:37,867
How are you gonna mow the grass there?

2241
01:47:37,867 --> 01:47:38,100
Bikes on it.

2242
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:38,734
Can't mow it.

2243
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:40,767
Very easily.

2244
01:47:41,900 --> 01:47:42,734
Christian move the rack.

2245
01:47:43,266 --> 01:47:44,033
Did we close

2246
01:47:44,767 --> 01:47:45,033
again?

2247
01:47:45,533 --> 01:47:46,867
Hmm, no, we okay.

2248
01:47:46,867 --> 01:47:47,066
Good.

2249
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:50,567
I agree.

2250
01:47:50,567 --> 01:47:51,033
Thank you.

2251
01:47:53,433 --> 01:47:54,667
That's a reasonable condition.

2252
01:47:54,934 --> 01:47:55,100
Okay.

2253
01:47:58,734 --> 01:47:59,767
I think they're just looking at.

2254
01:48:00,767 --> 01:48:01,166
Where they might put it.

2255
01:48:01,166 --> 01:48:02,133
That's not on graph.

2256
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,000
Do you wanna open it back up for public comments so they can, would

2257
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:11,867
you like to speak again?

2258
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:12,767
Thank you, sir.

2259
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:13,567
.

2260
01:48:14,467 --> 01:48:15,266
You're open to speak to me.

2261
01:48:15,734 --> 01:48:18,266
Well, now I'm gonna have to go back and, and go back to the

2262
01:48:18,266 --> 01:48:19,033
site plan, but.

2263
01:48:22,900 --> 01:48:27,634
Now in, in speaking with Jeff, actually the area that, or one of the

2264
01:48:27,634 --> 01:48:28,133
areas that.

2265
01:48:29,233 --> 01:48:32,133
Marty was talking about specific to vehicular movement.

2266
01:48:35,233 --> 01:48:38,033
If it pleases the board, we do have this location.

2267
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:43,133
And I think that is probably, I think that front sidewalk is eight feet

2268
01:48:43,133 --> 01:48:43,367
wide.

2269
01:48:43,367 --> 01:48:44,133
If I'm not mistaken.

2270
01:48:45,133 --> 01:48:46,300
There could be a bike rack.

2271
01:48:47,433 --> 01:48:48,000
Placed right there.

2272
01:48:48,300 --> 01:48:49,133
That is paved.

2273
01:48:49,133 --> 01:48:50,667
That is still proposed to be paved.

2274
01:48:51,634 --> 01:48:55,066
And if that places the board, we will happily add that as a condition

2275
01:48:56,166 --> 01:48:58,867
I still think they're gonna want to take it in the winter because that

2276
01:48:58,867 --> 01:48:59,734
Calvin and I still.

2277
01:49:00,567 --> 01:49:00,767
While.Good.

2278
01:49:01,133 --> 01:49:01,767
It's still gonna rust.

2279
01:49:01,767 --> 01:49:02,500
If you leave that out

2280
01:49:03,100 --> 01:49:04,900
where they're spreading salt.

2281
01:49:10,900 --> 01:49:11,900
I would say, just stay on that.

2282
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:12,266
The.

2283
01:49:13,333 --> 01:49:16,100
In town at the Y also downtown there's.

2284
01:49:17,133 --> 01:49:19,433
There's steel coated ones that are out all year round.

2285
01:49:19,433 --> 01:49:23,000
And they've been out there for they're like embedded in the concrete they've been

2286
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:23,333
in there for.

2287
01:49:24,567 --> 01:49:26,066
They probably knows eight years.

2288
01:49:26,066 --> 01:49:26,266
Yeah.

2289
01:49:26,266 --> 01:49:26,667
Eight years.

2290
01:49:26,834 --> 01:49:28,066
I think I put 'em in 2018.

2291
01:49:28,066 --> 01:49:28,634
Look good.

2292
01:49:29,033 --> 01:49:30,066
So, yeah, there's.

2293
01:49:31,066 --> 01:49:31,433
There's bill rust event.

2294
01:49:31,433 --> 01:49:33,133
They starting new, but yeah, they'll 20 years.

2295
01:49:33,166 --> 01:49:33,867
Yeah, exactly.

2296
01:49:33,900 --> 01:49:34,734
So they run, but.

2297
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,300
So there are options there for.

2298
01:49:38,300 --> 01:49:38,900
Solution, but that's fine.

2299
01:49:39,066 --> 01:49:42,066
I mean, if they, you guys want it left out the entire winter, I

2300
01:49:42,066 --> 01:49:42,166
don't know.

2301
01:49:42,166 --> 01:49:45,033
Who's riding their bike here in the winter, but this guy mm-hmm oh, oh

2302
01:49:45,100 --> 01:49:45,834
To this place people.

2303
01:49:45,900 --> 01:49:46,066
Yeah.

2304
01:49:46,667 --> 01:49:46,667
People.

2305
01:49:47,100 --> 01:49:48,100
I see very rarely.

2306
01:49:48,467 --> 01:49:50,867
And I drive, I drive 33 a lot.

2307
01:49:51,500 --> 01:49:54,066
I do not see a hell of a lot of bikes on that road

2308
01:49:55,066 --> 01:49:55,066
But

2309
01:49:55,734 --> 01:49:56,667
whatever you guys want, it's fine.

2310
01:49:56,700 --> 01:49:57,066
Yeah.

2311
01:49:57,066 --> 01:49:58,000
We don't have any issue with that.

2312
01:49:58,066 --> 01:49:58,166
Okay.

2313
01:50:00,233 --> 01:50:01,066
Think that's good.

2314
01:50:01,166 --> 01:50:01,533
Yeah.

2315
01:50:01,634 --> 01:50:05,000
And keep in mind in the near future, Portsmouth avenue is gonna be.

2316
01:50:06,100 --> 01:50:08,900
Redone mm-hmm it's it's in the CIP P so.

2317
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:12,667
It, it, it, the hope is that it's gonna be, are they putting in

2318
01:50:12,667 --> 01:50:13,100
bike lanes?

2319
01:50:14,300 --> 01:50:15,100
We haven't gotten there yet.

2320
01:50:15,100 --> 01:50:15,333
Oh, okay.

2321
01:50:15,433 --> 01:50:20,000
I'm just saying that it's coming so most likely, most likely I don't want

2322
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:20,133
most

2323
01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:21,133
anything.

2324
01:50:22,100 --> 01:50:24,166
But yeah, that's one of the few places idea is to.

2325
01:50:25,133 --> 01:50:25,433
Do things like that.

2326
01:50:25,467 --> 01:50:25,867
So, yeah.

2327
01:50:25,867 --> 01:50:26,033
Yeah.

2328
01:50:26,367 --> 01:50:27,767
No, I think that's great because.

2329
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:32,033
When I end up writing my bike down that road, I am fear for

2330
01:50:32,033 --> 01:50:32,166
my life.

2331
01:50:34,033 --> 01:50:36,066
Lot of carb cuts to work that one out.

2332
01:50:36,367 --> 01:50:36,634
Yep.

2333
01:50:37,567 --> 01:50:38,166
Okay close.

2334
01:50:38,667 --> 01:50:39,433
Well, I, hold on.

2335
01:50:39,734 --> 01:50:42,166
I would just suggest, you know, since you opened it for them, for that

2336
01:50:42,166 --> 01:50:45,333
limited purpose of talking about the bike rack, I would suggest just.

2337
01:50:45,900 --> 01:50:47,333
Offering it to the public, the rest of the public.

2338
01:50:47,467 --> 01:50:50,900
If they want to talk about the bike rack issue, ride your bike, anybody

2339
01:50:51,233 --> 01:50:53,333
How long mate, how long we keep it out.

2340
01:50:54,100 --> 01:50:55,066
It's stationary like me.

2341
01:50:55,066 --> 01:50:55,567
Mm-hmm .

2342
01:50:58,133 --> 01:50:59,000
Public question again.

2343
01:51:00,567 --> 01:51:02,667
So you, do you have your standard?

2344
01:51:04,266 --> 01:51:05,333
Are you ready for him?

2345
01:51:05,433 --> 01:51:07,333
I do have some suggested conditions of approval.

2346
01:51:07,734 --> 01:51:08,133
I think so.

2347
01:51:09,266 --> 01:51:11,266
We pretty much all the standard ones.

2348
01:51:11,266 --> 01:51:14,066
Let me get 'em out here for the bike rack would be around and

2349
01:51:14,233 --> 01:51:15,433
well, you're gonna have to add the bike rack.

2350
01:51:15,533 --> 01:51:16,500
I hadn't put that one in there.

2351
01:51:16,533 --> 01:51:16,867
Okay.

2352
01:51:17,533 --> 01:51:17,533
Yep.

2353
01:51:18,166 --> 01:51:22,066
An electronic as-built with details acceptable to the town shall be provided prior to

2354
01:51:22,066 --> 01:51:24,066
the issuance of a certificate of occupancy.

2355
01:51:24,166 --> 01:51:25,300
This plan must be in DW.

2356
01:51:25,900 --> 01:51:29,133
DWG a DFX file format in and in a D 1983 state plan.

2357
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:31,567
New Hampshire F I P S 2,800 feet.

2358
01:51:31,567 --> 01:51:35,634
Coordinates to a pre-construction meeting shall be arranged by the applicant and their contractor

2359
01:51:35,634 --> 01:51:36,567
with the town engineer.

2360
01:51:37,333 --> 01:51:40,734
Prior to any site work commencing the following must be submitted for review and

2361
01:51:41,033 --> 01:51:45,100
approval prior to the meeting, the stormwater pollution prevention plan.

2362
01:51:45,133 --> 01:51:45,166
If.

2363
01:51:45,700 --> 01:51:48,634
Applicable and a project schedule and construction cost estimate.

2364
01:51:49,533 --> 01:51:53,767
Three third party construction inspection fees shall be paid prior to scheduling the pre-construction

2365
01:51:53,767 --> 01:51:54,100
meeting.

2366
01:51:55,066 --> 01:51:59,000
For the annual operations and maintenance report in the stormwater operations and maintenance manual

2367
01:51:59,834 --> 01:52:03,767
Shall be completed and submitted to the town engineer annually on or before January 31st

2368
01:52:04,567 --> 01:52:08,033
This requirement shall be an ongoing condition of approval and included in the condominium

2369
01:52:08,333 --> 01:52:08,634
documents.

2370
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,533
Five all comments in the review letters from Underwood engineers shall be.

2371
01:52:12,934 --> 01:52:14,634
Addressed to the satisfaction of the town plan and the town planner.

2372
01:52:15,433 --> 01:52:18,166
Town engineer or their designee prior to signing the final plans.

2373
01:52:18,634 --> 01:52:21,266
Six all applicable state permit approval numbers.

2374
01:52:21,667 --> 01:52:23,266
I don't believe there are any here, but this is.

2375
01:52:23,834 --> 01:52:27,734
These are all our standard conditions of approval that we issue Shelby noted on

2376
01:52:27,734 --> 01:52:31,266
the final plan seven, a restoration and erosion control surety in an amount.

2377
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,066
And form reviewed and approved by the town planner in accordance to section 12

2378
01:52:35,066 --> 01:52:38,567
of the site plan review and subdivision regulations shall be provided prior to any

2379
01:52:38,634 --> 01:52:40,066
site work eight, all.

2380
01:52:40,367 --> 01:52:44,000
Appropriate fees to be paid, but in, but not limited to sewer, water, connection

2381
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:48,100
fees, impact fees and inspection fees, including third party inspections prior to the issuance

2382
01:52:48,100 --> 01:52:48,300
of a.

2383
01:52:48,767 --> 01:52:51,066
Certificate of occupancy nine, all landscape.

2384
01:52:52,033 --> 01:52:55,900
Landscaping shown on plans shall be maintained in any dead or dying vegetation shall

2385
01:52:55,900 --> 01:52:56,333
be replaced.

2386
01:52:57,333 --> 01:52:59,867
Replaced no later than the following growing season, as long as the site plan

2387
01:52:59,867 --> 01:53:00,634
remains valid.

2388
01:53:01,533 --> 01:53:04,500
10, all lighting, including security lights shall be down lit and shielded.

2389
01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:08,367
So no direct light is visible from a adjacent properties or roadways.

2390
01:53:09,533 --> 01:53:13,433
Roadways 11, no snow storage should be stored on plantings or planting areas shown

2391
01:53:13,433 --> 01:53:14,100
on the plans.

2392
01:53:15,066 --> 01:53:17,266
Plans except otherwise provided herein.

2393
01:53:17,300 --> 01:53:18,634
Cuz you had talked about that.

2394
01:53:18,767 --> 01:53:22,834
I'll add that nothing herein shall expand or contract any easement.

2395
01:53:23,233 --> 01:53:25,867
Rights which any party may have regarding the subject property.

2396
01:53:27,033 --> 01:53:30,634
The applicant shall 12, 13, the applicant shall submit.

2397
01:53:32,033 --> 01:53:36,667
The land use and storm water management information about the project using the PTAP

2398
01:53:37,700 --> 01:53:38,734
Online municipal tracking tool.

2399
01:53:39,033 --> 01:53:41,900
The PTAP P submittal must be accepted by D P w prior to the

2400
01:53:41,900 --> 01:53:42,734
pre-construction meeting.

2401
01:53:43,834 --> 01:53:48,000
And finally the HOA document shall be submitted to the town planner for review

2402
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:48,333
and approval.

2403
01:53:49,734 --> 01:53:53,734
In to determine compliance with the board's approval prior to signing the final plans

2404
01:53:53,734 --> 01:53:56,767
at the town planner deems legal counsel review is necessary.

2405
01:53:56,767 --> 01:53:57,100
It shall.

2406
01:53:57,533 --> 01:53:58,333
Be at the applicant's expense.

2407
01:53:59,033 --> 01:54:00,100
I don't foresee that.

2408
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:03,300
And usually that does not happen, but we always put that in a condition

2409
01:54:03,300 --> 01:54:05,300
saying if I read it, it's like, ah, I gotta.

2410
01:54:05,900 --> 01:54:07,367
Kick it to municipal group.

2411
01:54:07,367 --> 01:54:10,433
They usually, you know, the, the applicant will fund that escrow counter

2412
01:54:11,266 --> 01:54:12,000
complete that review.

2413
01:54:13,133 --> 01:54:13,533
Thank you.

2414
01:54:13,734 --> 01:54:14,066
And can I

2415
01:54:14,934 --> 01:54:16,100
suggest a bicycle rack?

2416
01:54:16,100 --> 01:54:16,333
Yes.

2417
01:54:16,433 --> 01:54:16,767
Yeah,

2418
01:54:17,433 --> 01:54:20,567
a bicycle rack located on the eight foot sidewalk in front of the building

2419
01:54:20,667 --> 01:54:21,066
shall be.

2420
01:54:21,533 --> 01:54:24,333
Permanently installed on pavement and shall be noted on the final plans.

2421
01:54:25,333 --> 01:54:25,900
Plans as year round.

2422
01:54:26,500 --> 01:54:27,433
Did you say anything?

2423
01:54:27,567 --> 01:54:29,500
I said permanently installed permanently fine.

2424
01:54:29,667 --> 01:54:31,033
As long that that's.

2425
01:54:31,834 --> 01:54:32,100
That's okay.

2426
01:54:32,634 --> 01:54:37,266
And one EV charging station will be moved from its current site to.

2427
01:54:38,100 --> 01:54:38,166
Oh, yeah,

2428
01:54:40,066 --> 01:54:40,300
a site.

2429
01:54:41,033 --> 01:54:44,834
Did you, did you think that in the, on the purpose favors.

2430
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:48,033
Favors somewhere on the pavement.

2431
01:54:48,367 --> 01:54:48,634
Yes.

2432
01:54:48,634 --> 01:54:48,900
Okay.

2433
01:54:49,233 --> 01:54:50,533
That, that would make the most sense.

2434
01:54:50,900 --> 01:54:54,033
Are you actually, so our regs require EV charging read.

2435
01:54:54,467 --> 01:54:54,500
Readiness.

2436
01:54:54,500 --> 01:54:56,033
They don't require charging.

2437
01:54:56,133 --> 01:54:57,100
They just write, go.

2438
01:54:57,867 --> 01:55:00,266
So you're but you're actually putting in pedestals.

2439
01:55:00,634 --> 01:55:02,433
No. Or a conduit. Oh, okay. So the.

2440
01:55:02,867 --> 01:55:03,266
Conduit's going there.

2441
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:06,433
I just wanted to be clear the court, the court's comment you did said

2442
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:08,000
I conduit.

2443
01:55:08,333 --> 01:55:10,500
I thought they were putting the into, so.

2444
01:55:11,066 --> 01:55:11,333
Okay.

2445
01:55:11,367 --> 01:55:14,000
And where we going to requested a tree get planted?

2446
01:55:14,567 --> 01:55:14,834
Yeah.

2447
01:55:16,166 --> 01:55:17,900
Additional tree planted on the.

2448
01:55:20,367 --> 01:55:21,133
Northwestern.

2449
01:55:23,033 --> 01:55:24,834
Lawn space adjacent to force with a.

2450
01:55:26,734 --> 01:55:29,333
Can I add a comment to that, or just a request that we don't

2451
01:55:29,667 --> 01:55:30,000
obstruct.

2452
01:55:30,133 --> 01:55:32,533
So as not to obstruct neighboring signage mm-hmm .

2453
01:55:32,634 --> 01:55:32,867
Yes.

2454
01:55:33,533 --> 01:55:33,834
So.

2455
01:55:34,100 --> 01:55:34,533
It's not to obstruct

2456
01:55:35,533 --> 01:55:36,000
neighboring signage.

2457
01:55:36,066 --> 01:55:36,567
Thank you.

2458
01:55:36,567 --> 01:55:36,867
Yeah.

2459
01:55:38,767 --> 01:55:40,834
And I have a question, Dave.

2460
01:55:41,900 --> 01:55:44,000
On on the July 10th, 2 25.

2461
01:55:45,066 --> 01:55:47,066
Notes from the conservation commission.

2462
01:55:47,634 --> 01:55:50,166
And this probably should have been with the Shoreland.

2463
01:55:51,867 --> 01:55:57,333
Well, Shoreland conditional use permit, but they noted that the soils located around and

2464
01:55:57,333 --> 01:55:58,533
under the existing buildings.

2465
01:55:59,433 --> 01:56:01,900
Buildings are tested for contamination after building removal.

2466
01:56:02,934 --> 01:56:05,300
And shown to be in line with state requirements.

2467
01:56:05,667 --> 01:56:06,166
I read that.

2468
01:56:06,300 --> 01:56:07,333
And the other one in, did you read that?

2469
01:56:07,433 --> 01:56:10,266
Yeah, I read it in the record and you approved the conditional use permit

2470
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:10,634
with.

2471
01:56:11,066 --> 01:56:11,166
Those two conditions.

2472
01:56:11,233 --> 01:56:11,567
Okay.

2473
01:56:11,567 --> 01:56:11,900
All right.

2474
01:56:11,900 --> 01:56:13,000
Without the other one is in there.

2475
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:13,266
Yep.

2476
01:56:13,266 --> 01:56:14,033
You're all set monitoring.

2477
01:56:14,033 --> 01:56:15,367
Well, that's in there.

2478
01:56:15,467 --> 01:56:15,734
Yep.

2479
01:56:15,834 --> 01:56:16,000
Okay.

2480
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,900
The monitoring well located on size decommission.

2481
01:56:18,066 --> 01:56:18,367
Thank you.

2482
01:56:18,433 --> 01:56:18,667
Yep.

2483
01:56:18,734 --> 01:56:19,033
You.

2484
01:56:19,233 --> 01:56:19,634
Already approved that.

2485
01:56:19,634 --> 01:56:21,567
And I already made those conditions must have been napping.

2486
01:56:22,066 --> 01:56:22,000
.

2487
01:56:23,834 --> 01:56:23,867
Thank you.

2488
01:56:24,867 --> 01:56:25,033
Okay.

2489
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:26,734
We all set.

2490
01:56:29,300 --> 01:56:29,734
Ready.

2491
01:56:30,467 --> 01:56:31,634
For vote for a motion.

2492
01:56:31,900 --> 01:56:32,066
Sure.

2493
01:56:32,300 --> 01:56:36,367
So I moved at the request of J Kaley associates, planning, board case number

2494
01:56:37,133 --> 01:56:39,066
26 dash three first site plate approval.

2495
01:56:40,066 --> 01:56:44,367
B approved with the conditions as stated by our town planner, Mr. Sharples.

2496
01:56:45,533 --> 01:56:46,634
Gender from Martel.

2497
01:56:47,834 --> 01:56:48,033
Ryan Kelly.

2498
01:56:51,100 --> 01:56:51,900
Do you need more than that?

2499
01:56:52,033 --> 01:56:53,300
And the conduit Gwen.

2500
01:56:54,467 --> 01:56:54,500
Gwen.

2501
01:56:54,634 --> 01:56:55,000
Yeah.

2502
01:56:55,033 --> 01:56:55,634
Oh, sorry.

2503
01:56:55,867 --> 01:56:58,500
I missed end the condo conduit conduit and her Gwen.

2504
01:56:59,634 --> 01:56:59,667
Gwen English.

2505
01:56:59,900 --> 01:57:01,767
Mm-hmm I think I covered everyone.

2506
01:57:01,900 --> 01:57:02,300
I think that's good.

2507
01:57:02,300 --> 01:57:02,533
Yeah.

2508
01:57:02,767 --> 01:57:03,100
Okay.

2509
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:04,333
I'll second, Jen.

2510
01:57:04,567 --> 01:57:05,500
Okay, move just second.

2511
01:57:07,367 --> 01:57:07,533
I

2512
01:57:08,233 --> 01:57:08,567
okay.

2513
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:09,667
She did this.

2514
01:57:09,734 --> 01:57:10,133
She beat you.

2515
01:57:11,066 --> 01:57:11,433
Sorry.

2516
01:57:12,033 --> 01:57:12,433
It's okay.

2517
01:57:14,033 --> 01:57:15,133
She's closer to the chair now.

2518
01:57:15,233 --> 01:57:16,033
So she's gotta be

2519
01:57:17,133 --> 01:57:17,867
awake and alert.

2520
01:57:20,300 --> 01:57:20,634
Okay.

2521
01:57:20,634 --> 01:57:21,634
Now hand vote, please.

2522
01:57:21,634 --> 01:57:23,166
Those in favor, please raise your right hand.

2523
01:57:26,500 --> 01:57:27,333
2 3, 4.

2524
01:57:28,634 --> 01:57:29,333
2 4, 5.

2525
01:57:29,433 --> 01:57:29,767
Okay.

2526
01:57:29,867 --> 01:57:30,634
And those opposed.

2527
01:57:32,667 --> 01:57:32,900
One

2528
01:57:33,567 --> 01:57:34,033
state

2529
01:57:36,033 --> 01:57:36,133
okay.

2530
01:57:37,333 --> 01:57:37,834
Motion carries.

2531
01:57:38,266 --> 01:57:39,300
Thanks very much folks.

2532
01:57:40,166 --> 01:57:42,000
Okay, thank you for being patient

2533
01:57:42,734 --> 01:57:43,033
for working.

2534
01:57:47,233 --> 01:57:47,300
And I told no,

2535
01:57:48,066 --> 01:57:49,367
I know, but I have to.

2536
01:57:53,333 --> 01:57:53,433
I know.

2537
01:57:54,333 --> 01:57:54,667
Okay.

2538
01:57:54,700 --> 01:57:55,500
We've got that.

2539
01:57:56,033 --> 01:57:56,734
And then one more.

2540
01:57:59,533 --> 01:57:59,867
Okay.

2541
01:57:59,867 --> 01:58:00,333
So there

2542
01:58:04,567 --> 01:58:04,567
thank you.

2543
01:58:04,900 --> 01:58:06,767
I feel like it's already 10 30 or something.

2544
01:58:10,100 --> 01:58:10,634
Thank you.

2545
01:58:10,634 --> 01:58:11,033
Good night.

2546
01:58:11,367 --> 01:58:11,634
Bye.

2547
01:58:18,867 --> 01:58:19,266
Good night.

2548
01:58:25,467 --> 01:58:25,834
Okay.

2549
01:58:42,300 --> 01:58:43,066
To cycle.

2550
01:58:45,433 --> 01:58:46,033
Do this one, right?

2551
01:58:46,433 --> 01:58:46,767
Yeah.

2552
01:58:47,834 --> 01:58:49,166
Wasn't there a PPA hearing.

2553
01:58:50,667 --> 01:58:51,300
It's a continuance.

2554
01:58:51,367 --> 01:58:52,100
No, it's a continuum.

2555
01:58:52,100 --> 01:58:52,367
Okay.

2556
01:58:52,667 --> 01:58:54,667
But do they need no, we haven't.

2557
01:58:54,667 --> 01:58:54,900
Hold on.

2558
01:58:54,900 --> 01:58:55,066
Yeah.

2559
01:58:55,166 --> 01:58:56,000
Come here for a second.

2560
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:56,066
Yeah.

2561
01:58:57,433 --> 01:58:58,767
They need to be continued again.

2562
01:58:59,033 --> 01:58:59,133
P.

2563
01:59:00,567 --> 01:59:00,567
E a

2564
01:59:01,834 --> 01:59:04,433
yeah, until we can figure out they're they're.

2565
01:59:06,934 --> 01:59:07,567
The ZBA.

2566
01:59:08,567 --> 01:59:10,834
Decision was appealed to the housing board of appeals.

2567
01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:11,266
Okay.

2568
01:59:11,500 --> 01:59:14,734
So that's going to be tied up for, you know, I don't know,

2569
01:59:15,367 --> 01:59:16,433
a while for months.

2570
01:59:18,033 --> 01:59:18,100
So

2571
01:59:21,367 --> 01:59:21,767
I would

2572
01:59:22,667 --> 01:59:25,367
let me, I, I, I gotta talk with them to see what they want

2573
01:59:25,433 --> 01:59:27,066
but, you know, they they'd like to continue.

2574
01:59:27,100 --> 01:59:29,100
So if you could just continue it until the.

2575
01:59:30,033 --> 01:59:30,834
September 10th meeting.

2576
01:59:30,834 --> 01:59:33,734
They're not gonna be there then, but at least that'll give me time to

2577
01:59:33,734 --> 01:59:35,066
talk with them to see, okay.

2578
01:59:35,066 --> 01:59:37,000
When do we table it to a date?

2579
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:37,100
Certain.

2580
01:59:38,100 --> 01:59:40,000
Later or what we do about it, because we might have to just.

2581
01:59:40,934 --> 01:59:44,100
Pull it off the agenda temporarily and this, and just re-notice when it comes

2582
01:59:44,100 --> 01:59:44,333
back.

2583
01:59:44,333 --> 01:59:44,500
Yeah.

2584
01:59:44,500 --> 01:59:44,667
Yep.

2585
01:59:45,133 --> 01:59:48,000
But just give me a little time to talk to them first and just

2586
01:59:48,033 --> 01:59:48,900
if you could table it.

2587
01:59:49,133 --> 01:59:51,000
Till September 10th, that would be appreciated.

2588
01:59:52,367 --> 01:59:52,367
Okay.

2589
01:59:53,066 --> 01:59:53,734
I need a motion.

2590
01:59:54,667 --> 01:59:56,100
I moved that we table.

2591
01:59:57,100 --> 01:59:58,634
Planning board case number.

2592
01:59:59,500 --> 02:00:00,500
I almost did this one.

2593
02:00:00,500 --> 02:00:01,066
We just did.

2594
02:00:01,033 --> 02:00:01,433
Sorry.

2595
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:02,834
Planning board case number.

2596
02:00:03,634 --> 02:00:04,166
26 dash seven.

2597
02:00:06,934 --> 02:00:11,533
To our, what, what, September 10th, September 10th, September 10th, 2026.

2598
02:00:12,567 --> 02:00:13,533
Meeting here in the Novak room.

2599
02:00:14,233 --> 02:00:14,734
Second.

2600
02:00:15,834 --> 02:00:17,000
We'll do second those in favor, please.

2601
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:17,767
And kept by saying aye.

2602
02:00:17,767 --> 02:00:18,066
Aye.

2603
02:00:18,367 --> 02:00:18,634
Aye.

2604
02:00:18,734 --> 02:00:19,033
Aye.

2605
02:00:19,066 --> 02:00:19,433
Opposed.

2606
02:00:19,700 --> 02:00:20,000
Aye.

2607
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:20,066
ABT.

2608
02:00:21,533 --> 02:00:22,834
It.Oh, abstentions what?

2609
02:00:22,834 --> 02:00:24,433
That's nine, 10 mm-hmm think Sam's upstate.

2610
02:00:24,667 --> 02:00:24,900
So.

2611
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:27,266
Oh, Sam's, it's not here a minute.

2612
02:00:28,066 --> 02:00:28,667
sorry.

2613
02:00:30,166 --> 02:00:30,533
All right.

2614
02:00:30,734 --> 02:00:31,033
So

2615
02:00:34,634 --> 02:00:37,266
the continuation of public hearing for the application of.

2616
02:00:38,100 --> 02:00:38,867
The stone arch

2617
02:00:39,634 --> 02:00:44,734
development, LLC, for a lot line adjustment and a minor subdivision and site plan

2618
02:00:44,734 --> 02:00:46,066
review for the redevelopment of.

2619
02:00:46,467 --> 02:00:49,000
Property located at five Brentwood drive.

2620
02:00:50,300 --> 02:00:55,000
The redevelopment will consist of eight residential condominium units in a single family home

2621
02:00:55,100 --> 02:00:56,066
of single family homes.

2622
02:00:57,333 --> 02:00:58,567
Homes, the project includes new roadway.

2623
02:00:59,634 --> 02:01:01,533
Underground utilities and drainage structures.

2624
02:01:02,867 --> 02:01:05,634
Structures tax map 62, parcel number one 11.

2625
02:01:06,667 --> 02:01:10,533
And planning based planning board case number 26, 11.

2626
02:01:11,500 --> 02:01:12,533
Is that ready to be?

2627
02:01:12,634 --> 02:01:13,667
No that's continuation.

2628
02:01:13,734 --> 02:01:15,033
So we're already going through the first thing.

2629
02:01:15,033 --> 02:01:15,300
Yep.

2630
02:01:16,500 --> 02:01:18,900
Do you have some things here to start us off with Dave?

2631
02:01:20,266 --> 02:01:20,533
Yes.

2632
02:01:20,533 --> 02:01:21,100
Thank you.

2633
02:01:21,533 --> 02:01:23,333
As you noted, the, this is a.

2634
02:01:24,166 --> 02:01:24,500
Return.This was

2635
02:01:25,133 --> 02:01:25,367
am.

2636
02:01:26,467 --> 02:01:28,000
A while back back in.

2637
02:01:28,767 --> 02:01:30,100
July, I think we saw this, but anyway,

2638
02:01:32,100 --> 02:01:32,333
the

2639
02:01:33,133 --> 02:01:34,567
site walk was July 14th.

2640
02:01:34,700 --> 02:01:35,166
If that's helpful.

2641
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:36,266
Yeah.

2642
02:01:36,266 --> 02:01:39,000
And I think there was the June 25th meeting or something like that.

2643
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:42,100
Mm-hmm we saw this and then we kinda, you know, there's a break

2644
02:01:42,433 --> 02:01:43,066
We have that break.

2645
02:01:43,100 --> 02:01:44,000
And then the C I P.

2646
02:01:44,367 --> 02:01:44,433
And then

2647
02:01:45,133 --> 02:01:47,834
we're back here tonight for the second meeting.

2648
02:01:48,767 --> 02:01:52,066
The, this is for a lot line adjustment and open space subdivision for the

2649
02:01:52,066 --> 02:01:55,634
redevelopment of property located at five Brentwood road they're drive.

2650
02:01:55,700 --> 02:01:56,433
There used to be.

2651
02:01:56,934 --> 02:01:58,166
A a greenhouse there and some.

2652
02:01:59,667 --> 02:02:03,333
The project includes a new roadway, underground utilities and drainage structures.

2653
02:02:03,667 --> 02:02:06,834
The TRC reviewed the plans and materials submitted to the planning office.

2654
02:02:07,433 --> 02:02:08,100
Back in may.

2655
02:02:09,700 --> 02:02:13,000
And an overview of the proposed prod project was presented.

2656
02:02:13,900 --> 02:02:17,433
Items that we discussed with 20 foot versus 24 foot road, et cetera.

2657
02:02:19,166 --> 02:02:21,567
It did also go to the, and I'll get to that in a second

2658
02:02:21,734 --> 02:02:24,100
but it, it also went to the conservation commission.

2659
02:02:25,133 --> 02:02:27,000
And they voted unanimously to recommend approval.

2660
02:02:28,033 --> 02:02:30,734
At their July meeting of the conditional use permit.

2661
02:02:31,166 --> 02:02:31,834
And I,

2662
02:02:32,467 --> 02:02:34,033
there was a, should be a memo.

2663
02:02:35,066 --> 02:02:35,834
Included with the packet.

2664
02:02:37,166 --> 02:02:39,066
The applicant did submit a new plan set.

2665
02:02:39,900 --> 02:02:42,433
I've you know, the Chan, I just got back from vacation.

2666
02:02:42,467 --> 02:02:43,066
So I have a.

2667
02:02:43,233 --> 02:02:44,900
Chance to review it a little bit.

2668
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:46,166
It addressed a.

2669
02:02:48,100 --> 02:02:48,300
Few items.

2670
02:02:48,367 --> 02:02:50,867
There's still a few things worth pointing out.

2671
02:02:51,634 --> 02:02:54,266
One is the width of the roadway and the requirement for his shoulders.

2672
02:02:55,066 --> 02:02:58,533
You have a Underwood engineers review letter that I haven't got to them that

2673
02:02:58,533 --> 02:02:59,500
I just got to you earlier.

2674
02:02:59,734 --> 02:03:02,533
I haven't gotten a chance to give to them cuz we just got it

2675
02:03:03,433 --> 02:03:07,433
That, that lists out a couple, a handful of still outstanding remaining items.

2676
02:03:07,634 --> 02:03:10,100
And one is regarding the 24 foot width of the roadway.

2677
02:03:11,266 --> 02:03:15,533
Where 20 foot they they're proposing a 20 foot wide road or 24 is

2678
02:03:15,533 --> 02:03:16,000
required.

2679
02:03:16,634 --> 02:03:18,300
There's no shoulder on one side.

2680
02:03:19,066 --> 02:03:22,133
They need to submit waivers for that in writing, according to our regs, we

2681
02:03:22,133 --> 02:03:24,667
have not, we don't have any waivers in writing.

2682
02:03:25,166 --> 02:03:26,000
I do not believe.

2683
02:03:27,066 --> 02:03:31,033
Also only two of the six driveways off the cul-de-sac shown with small turnaround

2684
02:03:31,066 --> 02:03:31,500
areas.

2685
02:03:31,500 --> 02:03:33,000
So you don't have to back out into a.

2686
02:03:33,900 --> 02:03:34,066
Public street.

2687
02:03:34,100 --> 02:03:37,767
So if they are proposing it to be public, then it can't back out

2688
02:03:38,667 --> 02:03:41,500
If it stays 20 feet and they ask for a waiver, then they can

2689
02:03:41,500 --> 02:03:42,634
keep it as a private road.

2690
02:03:42,634 --> 02:03:45,266
Then that provision for backing out on the street, doesn't apply.

2691
02:03:45,300 --> 02:03:46,533
If it's a private road, it's.

2692
02:03:47,066 --> 02:03:48,066
It's only on public roads,

2693
02:03:48,667 --> 02:03:51,100
but that's where the, you know, a discussion with them.

2694
02:03:51,166 --> 02:03:54,567
There's some other things about some conflicts with landscaping and.

2695
02:03:55,233 --> 02:03:55,567
Utilities, but

2696
02:03:57,033 --> 02:03:58,567
nothing, they can't be overcome there.

2697
02:03:58,567 --> 02:04:02,734
And then there's some discussion about some storm water that, you know, in engineering

2698
02:04:02,734 --> 02:04:03,066
details.

2699
02:04:03,634 --> 02:04:03,634
Details

2700
02:04:04,467 --> 02:04:06,033
and that's, and that's all I have for now.

2701
02:04:07,066 --> 02:04:07,166
Okay, thank you.

2702
02:04:07,166 --> 02:04:07,734
Thank you.

2703
02:04:08,667 --> 02:04:10,033
Well, Christian, you're still here.

2704
02:04:10,634 --> 02:04:10,867
Yes.

2705
02:04:11,634 --> 02:04:12,033
Unfortunately for you.

2706
02:04:12,066 --> 02:04:12,433
I am.

2707
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:18,100
Oh, no. Still Christian Smith with Beales associates. And I'm representing this applicant on this

2708
02:04:18,100 --> 02:04:18,834
project as well.

2709
02:04:19,734 --> 02:04:23,166
With me tonight, the audience is John O'Neill from stone arch development.

2710
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:25,567
And Michael Green from the greening company.

2711
02:04:26,700 --> 02:04:27,000
And

2712
02:04:28,934 --> 02:04:32,100
so David kind of went through and I, I think it is.

2713
02:04:33,500 --> 02:04:35,634
I think it was an initial tack after

2714
02:04:36,500 --> 02:04:36,767
TRC.

2715
02:04:38,233 --> 02:04:42,000
That the applicants wanted to go with a, with a public road here.

2716
02:04:42,567 --> 02:04:45,533
We have reviewed the configuration with the fire department.

2717
02:04:45,900 --> 02:04:48,667
And from a life safety perspective, they have no issue with it.

2718
02:04:49,734 --> 02:04:50,300
But I think

2719
02:04:52,033 --> 02:04:53,266
the easier course and

2720
02:04:54,100 --> 02:04:57,066
the, the one more amenable to the applicants at this time.

2721
02:04:58,100 --> 02:05:01,867
Would be to just propose this then as a, as a private drive.

2722
02:05:02,033 --> 02:05:04,033
I mean, it's, it's a very small road.

2723
02:05:04,767 --> 02:05:05,033
I'm sure.

2724
02:05:05,033 --> 02:05:08,133
D P w probably doesn't want to take care of it in any event

2725
02:05:10,300 --> 02:05:12,166
But that being said, we did.

2726
02:05:13,133 --> 02:05:14,867
Attend a conservation commission.

2727
02:05:15,634 --> 02:05:17,100
And planning board combination sidewalk.

2728
02:05:19,266 --> 02:05:23,333
At which time we did review the configuration that we have here, which.

2729
02:05:24,166 --> 02:05:25,567
Now proposes two of the buildings.

2730
02:05:26,867 --> 02:05:27,066
Buildings off McKay.

2731
02:05:29,133 --> 02:05:31,900
While there were a couple of co commissioners that were not thrilled about a

2732
02:05:31,900 --> 02:05:32,000
second.

2733
02:05:32,934 --> 02:05:35,100
Law or a second house coming off of McKay drive.

2734
02:05:36,100 --> 02:05:39,000
It seemed that the contingent of planning board members.

2735
02:05:40,033 --> 02:05:42,867
Actually preferred that to spread out the houses a little bit.

2736
02:05:43,834 --> 02:05:44,634
Added a forwarded us to.

2737
02:05:46,266 --> 02:05:48,000
To maintain that 50 foot setback.

2738
02:05:48,934 --> 02:05:54,100
Particularly to our, our butter to the east and south, excuse me, west and

2739
02:05:54,100 --> 02:05:54,166
south.

2740
02:05:56,533 --> 02:05:59,000
We still have the waiver request in for.

2741
02:05:59,834 --> 02:06:00,634
The, the setback

2742
02:06:01,333 --> 02:06:01,533
adjacent.

2743
02:06:02,300 --> 02:06:04,767
To the lot that we are creating, though, that's not apparent.

2744
02:06:05,900 --> 02:06:06,734
Parcel boundary.

2745
02:06:06,734 --> 02:06:08,033
So I'm not even sure that's required.

2746
02:06:09,133 --> 02:06:09,634
Required, but anyway,

2747
02:06:10,433 --> 02:06:11,000
moving on.

2748
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:12,266
So we're still proposing.

2749
02:06:14,333 --> 02:06:15,066
Eight units.

2750
02:06:15,834 --> 02:06:18,667
Six now would be off the cul-de-sac two would come off McKay.

2751
02:06:19,634 --> 02:06:21,533
And we have proposed the.

2752
02:06:23,066 --> 02:06:24,867
Basically a very, very firm.

2753
02:06:25,700 --> 02:06:29,567
Limit of clearing and limit of what would be maintained potentially.

2754
02:06:30,467 --> 02:06:31,834
As a lawn space for these folks.

2755
02:06:33,233 --> 02:06:34,333
We do have a

2756
02:06:35,233 --> 02:06:38,533
collection system because the curbing is proposed on the road now.

2757
02:06:39,533 --> 02:06:41,100
That goes through hard pipe.

2758
02:06:42,100 --> 02:06:46,166
Into a, for bay and into a, for this project, a fairly large bio

2759
02:06:46,166 --> 02:06:47,066
retention pond.

2760
02:06:47,834 --> 02:06:50,166
Which is one of the, the better

2761
02:06:51,500 --> 02:06:53,500
BMP stormwater treatment facilities.

2762
02:06:54,467 --> 02:06:55,834
That meet all of the criteria.

2763
02:06:56,767 --> 02:06:59,133
In 9.3, the Exeter stormwater regulations.

2764
02:07:00,266 --> 02:07:04,367
I believe we reviewed the, the yield plan at the prior meeting.

2765
02:07:05,533 --> 02:07:05,834
And

2766
02:07:07,233 --> 02:07:08,066
based on

2767
02:07:09,533 --> 02:07:11,000
what we're putting into conservation.

2768
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:13,300
And if you look at the property, you can kind of see the shading

2769
02:07:14,300 --> 02:07:16,000
It's a, just a slanted hatch.

2770
02:07:16,934 --> 02:07:18,533
But all of this area.

2771
02:07:20,233 --> 02:07:21,900
Is proposed to be conserved.

2772
02:07:22,667 --> 02:07:25,567
And if you've read the conservation commission's memo from the sidewalk.

2773
02:07:27,100 --> 02:07:29,066
They were actually quite amenable to.

2774
02:07:30,100 --> 02:07:32,100
Taking that land because I believe it connects to.

2775
02:07:33,133 --> 02:07:35,734
Conservation land either here or over here, but.

2776
02:07:36,900 --> 02:07:41,367
That the conservation commission would actually take on the stewardship of, of that property

2777
02:07:41,433 --> 02:07:41,834
as well.

2778
02:07:44,100 --> 02:07:47,667
So that being said, we, you know, with, with the yield plan,

2779
02:07:49,500 --> 02:07:49,767
we

2780
02:07:50,934 --> 02:07:52,367
result in a 0.7.

2781
02:07:53,500 --> 02:07:54,100
Bonus unit.

2782
02:07:54,367 --> 02:07:55,033
So we would.

2783
02:07:56,033 --> 02:07:59,634
Then round that up to result in the eight units that you are shown

2784
02:07:59,634 --> 02:08:00,066
here.

2785
02:08:03,066 --> 02:08:03,500
Anything else

2786
02:08:04,533 --> 02:08:06,867
of note from the conservation commission?

2787
02:08:07,300 --> 02:08:08,367
I don't think so.

2788
02:08:10,100 --> 02:08:12,066
Very very minor change.

2789
02:08:12,934 --> 02:08:14,300
Aside from the, the one.

2790
02:08:15,066 --> 02:08:17,133
Home being relocated to McKay drive.

2791
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:18,266
And

2792
02:08:19,133 --> 02:08:22,667
all of the homes to the south and west now meeting the, the 50

2793
02:08:22,667 --> 02:08:24,100
foot setback to the parent parcel.

2794
02:08:25,333 --> 02:08:28,100
And with that, I'll entertain questions, comments from the board.

2795
02:08:29,533 --> 02:08:29,867
Okay.

2796
02:08:32,433 --> 02:08:33,033
Questions comments.

2797
02:08:34,100 --> 02:08:34,100
Comments

2798
02:08:36,100 --> 02:08:36,767
I'll start really?

2799
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:38,300
I know, come up.

2800
02:08:39,033 --> 02:08:42,000
I'm curious as to why there's a driveway going into the.

2801
02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:43,033
Neighboring the lot.

2802
02:08:43,033 --> 02:08:44,300
That's on existing lot.

2803
02:08:44,300 --> 02:08:45,533
That's on Brentwood road.

2804
02:08:47,033 --> 02:08:51,100
Simply because that Gwen is part of the, the lot line adjustment with that

2805
02:08:51,100 --> 02:08:51,333
parcel.

2806
02:08:51,500 --> 02:08:52,000
He is.

2807
02:08:53,266 --> 02:08:55,033
The son of the owner of this property.

2808
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:57,433
And he asked if

2809
02:08:58,300 --> 02:09:01,266
he would prefer a driveway off of the new road as opposed to Brentwood

2810
02:09:01,266 --> 02:09:02,533
road due to vehicles.

2811
02:09:02,634 --> 02:09:03,567
So will he eliminate.

2812
02:09:04,367 --> 02:09:07,066
The driveway off that I don't know what a plan is.

2813
02:09:07,233 --> 02:09:08,567
He's adding a two car garage.

2814
02:09:09,533 --> 02:09:12,033
And I'm not sure if he's going to eliminate that if it's gonna be

2815
02:09:12,033 --> 02:09:14,100
side load, but certainly he can't have a driveway on both.

2816
02:09:14,133 --> 02:09:15,166
So we'll have to figure that out.

2817
02:09:15,233 --> 02:09:16,266
Figure that one out.

2818
02:09:16,467 --> 02:09:16,834
Okay.

2819
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:17,066
So.

2820
02:09:17,900 --> 02:09:17,900
Unknown

2821
02:09:19,667 --> 02:09:20,500
and on your houses.

2822
02:09:21,333 --> 02:09:22,066
There's a little

2823
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:23,367
narrow.

2824
02:09:24,166 --> 02:09:29,567
Outline going around the perimeter of the house itself or is that the storm

2825
02:09:29,667 --> 02:09:32,033
drip edge or is that yes, that, so.

2826
02:09:32,567 --> 02:09:33,333
All those have drift edges.

2827
02:09:34,867 --> 02:09:34,867
Edges

2828
02:09:35,667 --> 02:09:36,266
is that correct?

2829
02:09:37,934 --> 02:09:39,066
Oh, no, I'm sorry, Gwen.

2830
02:09:39,066 --> 02:09:40,033
Those are the Eves.

2831
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:43,867
The, the only one proposed with drip edge at this point in time.

2832
02:09:44,767 --> 02:09:47,033
Would be the one number 11, 11.

2833
02:09:47,500 --> 02:09:49,367
Why did you, why did you eliminate.

2834
02:09:50,467 --> 02:09:51,266
Didn't they have 'em before?

2835
02:09:52,500 --> 02:09:54,100
Not, not every one of them did.

2836
02:09:54,867 --> 02:09:56,300
I think a couple of, more of them did.

2837
02:09:57,467 --> 02:10:02,300
But I believe they were eliminated based on the relocation and removing one of

2838
02:10:02,300 --> 02:10:03,900
those units and putting it on McKay.

2839
02:10:04,934 --> 02:10:09,166
Now more of the, the house structures drained directly to the, the buyer retention

2840
02:10:09,333 --> 02:10:09,667
pond.

2841
02:10:13,900 --> 02:10:13,900
Hmm.

2842
02:10:15,934 --> 02:10:16,100
Okay.

2843
02:10:17,133 --> 02:10:18,266
So this, this again is.

2844
02:10:19,433 --> 02:10:21,834
A private road off Brentwood road.

2845
02:10:22,867 --> 02:10:23,667
That, that is what

2846
02:10:24,300 --> 02:10:27,333
the, the applicant is contemplating and thinking at this point.

2847
02:10:27,333 --> 02:10:30,500
No. Yes. And the other two of course are a driveway. So.

2848
02:10:31,367 --> 02:10:32,266
Yes, same idea.

2849
02:10:32,367 --> 02:10:32,634
Yep.

2850
02:10:32,867 --> 02:10:33,100
Yep.

2851
02:10:38,867 --> 02:10:42,066
It was the proposed eight foot high vinyl fence.

2852
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:45,066
Was that something that was agreed to by.

2853
02:10:45,900 --> 02:10:46,734
The applicant and

2854
02:10:47,667 --> 02:10:49,100
a butters or was that

2855
02:10:50,133 --> 02:10:50,500
yeah.

2856
02:10:51,300 --> 02:10:55,066
That was, yeah, I, I believe John and the, the owner of the house

2857
02:10:55,300 --> 02:10:58,000
that's getting a lot line investment, getting a little more land.

2858
02:10:59,066 --> 02:11:00,333
Work that out with those that's what they wanted.

2859
02:11:00,467 --> 02:11:00,834
Yeah.

2860
02:11:00,867 --> 02:11:03,000
And they were all also consulted on the.

2861
02:11:04,033 --> 02:11:05,900
Final landscape plan that was proposed.

2862
02:11:06,667 --> 02:11:06,667
Okay,

2863
02:11:07,367 --> 02:11:09,834
well, something similar to that on the development.

2864
02:11:09,900 --> 02:11:11,567
That's off little river road.

2865
02:11:12,367 --> 02:11:16,066
Yes, I think we put in a expert vegetated, but yep.

2866
02:11:16,133 --> 02:11:18,166
And then hoping that will grow up and maybe.

2867
02:11:19,066 --> 02:11:23,000
Eliminate the need for the vinyl fence, but I just was curious how that

2868
02:11:24,033 --> 02:11:24,333
Came about

2869
02:11:27,900 --> 02:11:32,100
you have 4, 6, 5 decks that are in, within the.

2870
02:11:33,133 --> 02:11:35,367
75 foot building wetland buffer.

2871
02:11:36,700 --> 02:11:40,033
Is there any way that, that, that, that those can be.

2872
02:11:42,734 --> 02:11:44,900
I think those are actually patios.

2873
02:11:44,934 --> 02:11:45,867
Gwen, are they?

2874
02:11:45,867 --> 02:11:47,367
Those are, oh, those are decks.

2875
02:11:47,367 --> 02:11:47,567
You're right.

2876
02:11:47,567 --> 02:11:47,900
Those deck.

2877
02:11:47,900 --> 02:11:48,033
Yeah.

2878
02:11:48,033 --> 02:11:49,000
Just can't see.

2879
02:11:49,133 --> 02:11:49,867
The hatch at the scale

2880
02:11:50,700 --> 02:11:53,433
and it's so out of focus on the screen, it's.

2881
02:11:54,300 --> 02:11:54,634
It's difficult to tell.

2882
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:56,500
Yeah, kind of is .

2883
02:11:57,033 --> 02:11:57,634
That's okay.

2884
02:12:05,734 --> 02:12:08,333
Which just like to keep things out of the buffer.

2885
02:12:10,033 --> 02:12:13,033
So it's the three on the lower two on the McKay.

2886
02:12:13,033 --> 02:12:13,333
I think.

2887
02:12:15,934 --> 02:12:18,667
Are both two on McKay and I think one.

2888
02:12:19,634 --> 02:12:20,066
And three actually.

2889
02:12:22,133 --> 02:12:23,166
And the other section.

2890
02:12:24,367 --> 02:12:24,867
Five seven and nine.

2891
02:12:25,433 --> 02:12:25,667
Yep.

2892
02:12:26,667 --> 02:12:27,133
Five seven and nine.

2893
02:12:29,000 --> 02:12:29,266
Yep.

2894
02:12:29,266 --> 02:12:29,634
Got it.

2895
02:12:29,667 --> 02:12:31,000
Just wondering if you can.

2896
02:12:32,233 --> 02:12:34,433
Do something to eliminate that.

2897
02:12:40,433 --> 02:12:43,033
Yeah, actually, that's a valid point, Gwen, because.

2898
02:12:43,634 --> 02:12:46,767
When we, when we designed this, we were assuming the, the right of way

2899
02:12:46,867 --> 02:12:47,367
was the setback.

2900
02:12:48,367 --> 02:12:49,100
This goes private.

2901
02:12:49,767 --> 02:12:52,500
The, the setback then goes from the edge of pavement.

2902
02:12:53,533 --> 02:12:56,100
So actually I believe we can pull those units forward.

2903
02:12:57,233 --> 02:12:58,567
And, and accomplish that.

2904
02:12:58,867 --> 02:12:59,667
Okay, great.

2905
02:13:01,333 --> 02:13:01,667
Okay.

2906
02:13:08,934 --> 02:13:10,100
School bus stop, I guess.

2907
02:13:10,433 --> 02:13:11,834
I don't know if you've got to that point.

2908
02:13:11,934 --> 02:13:14,266
I'm guessing kids would have to come down Brentwood road.

2909
02:13:14,533 --> 02:13:15,166
That is our as.

2910
02:13:15,634 --> 02:13:15,867
Assumption and

2911
02:13:16,433 --> 02:13:17,166
don't know that yet.

2912
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:22,834
The sidewalks on the other side of the road?

2913
02:13:22,834 --> 02:13:23,567
Yeah, the sidewalk.

2914
02:13:33,133 --> 02:13:33,500
Yeah.

2915
02:13:33,500 --> 02:13:34,133
Can I ask on that?

2916
02:13:34,166 --> 02:13:35,000
If we're on that,

2917
02:13:35,767 --> 02:13:37,867
does that a mid-block crossing you're proposing.

2918
02:13:38,100 --> 02:13:38,767
I'm not really sure.

2919
02:13:39,233 --> 02:13:42,767
What sun subdivision site plan B at the end of the sidewalk, you show

2920
02:13:42,867 --> 02:13:43,567
two dark lines.

2921
02:13:44,367 --> 02:13:45,333
Cross, hold on.

2922
02:13:45,367 --> 02:13:46,100
If that's the case.

2923
02:13:47,066 --> 02:13:50,667
On the site, PL subdivision site plan, look at the subdivision site plan B

2924
02:13:50,900 --> 02:13:51,000
Yep.

2925
02:13:51,033 --> 02:13:51,634
Mm-hmm .

2926
02:13:56,266 --> 02:13:57,100
Oh, that's better.

2927
02:13:57,066 --> 02:13:57,367
Yeah.

2928
02:13:58,467 --> 02:13:58,900
Oh, yeah.

2929
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:13,500
Next one.

2930
02:14:14,133 --> 02:14:14,166
Yep.

2931
02:14:15,300 --> 02:14:15,667
Keep going.

2932
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:17,166
Slate.

2933
02:14:21,233 --> 02:14:21,667
One more

2934
02:14:22,467 --> 02:14:22,500
overall

2935
02:14:23,066 --> 02:14:23,166
a

2936
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:25,100
these and extra B next one.

2937
02:14:25,100 --> 02:14:25,533
There is.

2938
02:14:25,533 --> 02:14:26,100
There you go.

2939
02:14:26,100 --> 02:14:26,433
There it is.

2940
02:14:27,634 --> 02:14:31,667
What is that down at the end end of the sidewalk going across Brentwood

2941
02:14:32,333 --> 02:14:33,033
There's two lines.

2942
02:14:33,367 --> 02:14:34,734
I think that is a crosswalk.

2943
02:14:34,834 --> 02:14:35,500
That was that.

2944
02:14:36,033 --> 02:14:36,900
Came out of TRC, David.

2945
02:14:40,367 --> 02:14:42,266
Yeah, I remember discussing it, but I don't remember.

2946
02:14:42,266 --> 02:14:44,300
We, someone said put it in.

2947
02:14:45,133 --> 02:14:46,533
Cause it looks like this curbing the conflict.

2948
02:14:46,533 --> 02:14:47,767
Is it a tip down and.

2949
02:14:49,300 --> 02:14:50,433
Well, yeah, the, the

2950
02:14:51,233 --> 02:14:54,567
basically where that there's gonna be a handicap accessible landing.

2951
02:14:55,433 --> 02:14:56,066
Yeah.At the end of that.

2952
02:14:56,667 --> 02:14:59,300
So the curbing would tip down before you get there.

2953
02:14:59,367 --> 02:14:59,734
Yeah.

2954
02:14:59,734 --> 02:15:00,100
Yeah.

2955
02:15:00,100 --> 02:15:02,300
And then yes, just painted lines across.

2956
02:15:03,066 --> 02:15:04,734
To the sidewalk on the other side of the road.

2957
02:15:05,700 --> 02:15:05,767
Okay.

2958
02:15:06,634 --> 02:15:08,266
But in, in the event of.

2959
02:15:10,133 --> 02:15:11,100
A private roadway.

2960
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:14,000
I guess internal sidewalks that aren't even required.

2961
02:15:16,367 --> 02:15:18,166
Well, it's no, it's a newly created street.

2962
02:15:18,233 --> 02:15:19,634
It doesn't matter if it's private or public.

2963
02:15:19,667 --> 02:15:20,033
Okay.

2964
02:15:20,367 --> 02:15:20,634
But

2965
02:15:21,166 --> 02:15:23,066
in that case, you gotta, you get out of a lot.

2966
02:15:23,233 --> 02:15:24,333
Of stuff by making it private.

2967
02:15:24,734 --> 02:15:28,100
I thought that was D P w what it was actually talking about putting

2968
02:15:28,133 --> 02:15:28,900
in that crosswalk.

2969
02:15:29,033 --> 02:15:31,166
Yeah, I heard, I remember that, but I don't remember it saying.

2970
02:15:31,634 --> 02:15:34,500
Put it in because just, just an issue with you gotta be very careful

2971
02:15:34,500 --> 02:15:38,033
with mid-block crossings and where you put 'em and what kind of signage goes

2972
02:15:38,033 --> 02:15:38,333
with them?

2973
02:15:38,367 --> 02:15:39,567
Is it a rapid rec.

2974
02:15:40,033 --> 02:15:41,033
Rectangular rapid flash and beacon.

2975
02:15:41,166 --> 02:15:42,033
Do you put up there?

2976
02:15:42,066 --> 02:15:43,300
I mean, that's what I would, the speeds.

2977
02:15:43,367 --> 02:15:44,834
Yeah, you probably that's right.

2978
02:15:44,934 --> 02:15:46,066
That's why I brought it up.

2979
02:15:46,133 --> 02:15:47,100
So, so.

2980
02:15:48,033 --> 02:15:48,667
I think we need a little more

2981
02:15:49,900 --> 02:15:54,100
consideration on that instead of just the two lines without any additional, unless there's

2982
02:15:54,100 --> 02:15:54,900
information.

2983
02:15:56,033 --> 02:15:56,033
There

2984
02:15:56,767 --> 02:15:58,367
more detail than just what I'm seeing.

2985
02:15:59,667 --> 02:16:04,033
There's no detail on what that crossing's gonna be as far as approach signage

2986
02:16:04,133 --> 02:16:04,166
or.

2987
02:16:05,133 --> 02:16:06,667
Flashing beacon or anything like that.

2988
02:16:06,700 --> 02:16:07,100
Right.

2989
02:16:08,834 --> 02:16:10,367
Yeah, Christian check.

2990
02:16:12,433 --> 02:16:13,033
Would it

2991
02:16:16,700 --> 02:16:19,133
yeah, no, but that, that is, that is definitively.

2992
02:16:19,133 --> 02:16:19,433
Yeah.

2993
02:16:20,767 --> 02:16:22,000
And that's just the lighting.

2994
02:16:24,433 --> 02:16:27,000
That is definitively gonna want be an addition to.

2995
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:29,433
Yeah.

2996
02:16:29,734 --> 02:16:31,033
If, and if, you know,

2997
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:34,900
we'd even that's the appropriate spot for it.

2998
02:16:35,100 --> 02:16:38,567
I mean, I, I know there's a sidewalk there, but midblock, crossing's just gotta

2999
02:16:38,567 --> 02:16:39,834
you gotta take a lot of consideration.

3000
02:16:39,867 --> 02:16:40,033
Oh yeah.

3001
02:16:40,367 --> 02:16:44,100
Understood Karen determining if, if they're gonna go there, you know, speeds on that

3002
02:16:44,100 --> 02:16:45,133
road and so forth at that.

3003
02:16:45,133 --> 02:16:48,000
Well, I think the issue was they wanted the CRO. They wanted the sidewalk

3004
02:16:48,767 --> 02:16:49,000
On this road.

3005
02:16:49,100 --> 02:16:49,433
Yeah.

3006
02:16:49,767 --> 02:16:51,900
And there's no sidewalk on that side of the street.

3007
02:16:52,133 --> 02:16:52,533
No understood.

3008
02:16:52,533 --> 02:16:56,100
So they wanted us to get them to the actual sidewalk on Brentwood road

3009
02:16:57,133 --> 02:16:57,300
So I will,

3010
02:16:58,300 --> 02:17:00,667
I will consult a, a traffic consultant.

3011
02:17:01,533 --> 02:17:02,033
A traffic engineer

3012
02:17:02,900 --> 02:17:05,000
and they, they will give us the appropriate.

3013
02:17:06,100 --> 02:17:08,367
Distances down each side of the road, that those are should go.

3014
02:17:08,433 --> 02:17:08,767
Yeah.

3015
02:17:08,767 --> 02:17:09,100
And whatever.

3016
02:17:10,100 --> 02:17:11,634
Infrastructure and to make it safe.

3017
02:17:11,900 --> 02:17:12,000
Yep.

3018
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:12,166
Yep.

3019
02:17:12,166 --> 02:17:15,066
Regarding, because then I'm assuming we'll, we'll take that over because.

3020
02:17:16,033 --> 02:17:17,000
That that's on a town road.

3021
02:17:17,133 --> 02:17:17,367
Yes.

3022
02:17:17,867 --> 02:17:21,066
So any infrastructure that will be ours it's regarding that infrastructure.

3023
02:17:22,100 --> 02:17:22,033
Change there.

3024
02:17:22,500 --> 02:17:23,367
You said the flashing beacon.

3025
02:17:23,567 --> 02:17:27,166
Also, if that's a bump out, I'm not sure what the spaces would be

3026
02:17:27,166 --> 02:17:28,333
needed, but if that could be.

3027
02:17:29,333 --> 02:17:29,333
You know,

3028
02:17:30,033 --> 02:17:31,834
a smaller version, what we have downtown.

3029
02:17:34,166 --> 02:17:35,100
I don't know what it's gonna be.

3030
02:17:35,100 --> 02:17:35,900
That's why I'm asking.

3031
02:17:35,900 --> 02:17:36,033
Yeah.

3032
02:17:36,033 --> 02:17:38,066
They're not proposing any detail at this point.

3033
02:17:38,066 --> 02:17:40,300
So yeah, I'm just saying things to keep in mind on that.

3034
02:17:41,033 --> 02:17:41,533
Bump out too.

3035
02:17:41,533 --> 02:17:42,166
So it's also.

3036
02:17:43,066 --> 02:17:47,066
Shortens the crossing distance and is a visual, additional visual indicator to cars that

3037
02:17:47,066 --> 02:17:48,900
there's something going on there besides the flashing beacon.

3038
02:17:51,533 --> 02:17:52,100
And, and can I

3039
02:17:53,133 --> 02:17:55,133
Dave, could I suggest also that it seems to me that

3040
02:17:56,100 --> 02:18:00,166
the decision on whether a crosswalk should be long on Brentwood road at that

3041
02:18:00,500 --> 02:18:00,667
location.

3042
02:18:01,333 --> 02:18:02,033
Is more of a town

3043
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:03,100
decision.

3044
02:18:03,133 --> 02:18:04,066
Does it make sense?

3045
02:18:04,166 --> 02:18:07,367
Does it, you know, I don't know if that's come from planning or public

3046
02:18:07,367 --> 02:18:09,300
works or whatever, but it may.

3047
02:18:09,700 --> 02:18:10,300
Make sense for this

3048
02:18:11,066 --> 02:18:11,634
project.

3049
02:18:12,567 --> 02:18:15,734
But it may not make, there may be other locations that need crosswalks on

3050
02:18:15,734 --> 02:18:16,533
Brentwood road.

3051
02:18:17,333 --> 02:18:19,066
That the town should really have more.

3052
02:18:20,033 --> 02:18:21,266
Say on than us focusing on.

3053
02:18:22,233 --> 02:18:25,133
This part, cuz maybe, maybe putting this in will preclude.

3054
02:18:26,300 --> 02:18:28,033
Another crosswalk that needs to go.

3055
02:18:29,033 --> 02:18:33,300
To a, oh, well, this would be, they would they're being, so they would

3056
02:18:33,300 --> 02:18:33,767
fund this.

3057
02:18:34,066 --> 02:18:34,300
I understand.

3058
02:18:34,300 --> 02:18:35,667
But I'm saying I'm.

3059
02:18:36,567 --> 02:18:37,634
I'm they can pay for something and put it in.

3060
02:18:37,634 --> 02:18:38,834
Then we can find out that.

3061
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:40,133
Well, gee, you know,

3062
02:18:41,033 --> 02:18:43,033
if there was a need for a Crosswork, it might have been.

3063
02:18:44,033 --> 02:18:44,734
300 yards down the road.

3064
02:18:45,066 --> 02:18:45,734
I, I don't know that.

3065
02:18:45,900 --> 02:18:46,266
I'm just saying.

3066
02:18:47,066 --> 02:18:50,166
That it, it should be more of a, you know, is it something that

3067
02:18:51,233 --> 02:18:54,133
Planning or the public works or somebody agrees that that makes sense.

3068
02:18:55,100 --> 02:18:56,033
Well, that's what I'm saying.

3069
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:59,100
I think the discussion was that that they would like to see it.

3070
02:18:59,367 --> 02:18:59,734
Okay.

3071
02:18:59,867 --> 02:19:02,066
The public works representatives at the TRC.

3072
02:19:02,300 --> 02:19:03,100
Would they like to.

3073
02:19:03,433 --> 02:19:06,634
See it, what I was following up on is there's really no detail.

3074
02:19:06,634 --> 02:19:07,000
Yeah.

3075
02:19:07,133 --> 02:19:10,000
And there needs to be more detail about what this crossing and to make

3076
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:10,767
sure it's safe.

3077
02:19:11,834 --> 02:19:15,000
Because with this, I don't really know what, what is being proposed here.

3078
02:19:15,000 --> 02:19:15,333
Okay.

3079
02:19:15,333 --> 02:19:18,000
So public works has already said, this is the best location they want.

3080
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:18,667
They like it.

3081
02:19:18,867 --> 02:19:19,734
Well, that's what they.

3082
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:21,000
Suggested at the TRC.

3083
02:19:21,233 --> 02:19:25,266
Now that Christian reminded me, but I was just asking about let's at the

3084
02:19:25,500 --> 02:19:25,767
TRC.

3085
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:28,000
We make comments, but then they don't come back.They.

3086
02:19:28,367 --> 02:19:29,066
Go to the planning board.

3087
02:19:29,433 --> 02:19:32,100
And then we, you know, I, I try to make sure any.

3088
02:19:32,934 --> 02:19:33,066
Like that.

3089
02:19:33,066 --> 02:19:35,000
That's why I'm like, well, we need more detail on that.

3090
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:35,433
Oh, yep.

3091
02:19:36,367 --> 02:19:37,667
So could I just follow up with that?

3092
02:19:37,700 --> 02:19:41,834
And just once the more detail is provided will D P w look at

3093
02:19:41,834 --> 02:19:42,000
that.

3094
02:19:42,867 --> 02:19:43,333
The additional detail.

3095
02:19:43,767 --> 02:19:44,166
We usually.

3096
02:19:45,133 --> 02:19:46,300
Get plans for them and send them to them.

3097
02:19:46,300 --> 02:19:46,500
Yeah.

3098
02:19:46,500 --> 02:19:47,767
Oh, just checking.

3099
02:19:47,767 --> 02:19:48,100
Yeah.

3100
02:19:48,100 --> 02:19:48,133
Yeah.

3101
02:19:48,233 --> 02:19:48,734
Thank you.

3102
02:19:51,033 --> 02:19:53,900
Anything in there right away, we pay particularly attention to as well.

3103
02:19:53,900 --> 02:19:54,367
Yeah, I just.

3104
02:19:55,233 --> 02:19:57,767
This is an interior to the people that road.

3105
02:19:57,834 --> 02:20:00,033
This is gonna happen on Brentwood on Brentwood road.

3106
02:20:00,066 --> 02:20:01,066
They will be included.

3107
02:20:01,233 --> 02:20:01,500
Yes.

3108
02:20:02,300 --> 02:20:02,300
Yes.

3109
02:20:02,634 --> 02:20:05,500
Good for the public to know that it will be looked at again.

3110
02:20:06,834 --> 02:20:09,900
It's great that we get people to cross, you know, I I'm all for

3111
02:20:09,900 --> 02:20:12,367
crossing, but I just wanna make sure it's a safe situation.

3112
02:20:13,133 --> 02:20:14,033
Yeah, other than,

3113
02:20:14,667 --> 02:20:15,033
yeah.

3114
02:20:17,033 --> 02:20:19,000
Now I have to drive it, look prospects.

3115
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:21,867
Cause I, yeah, I took up a lot of oxygen there and what's that

3116
02:20:22,133 --> 02:20:23,634
I said, I just took up a lot of oxygen.

3117
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:24,033
So I'll stop.

3118
02:20:24,133 --> 02:20:26,634
No, no, no. It's all important stuff.

3119
02:20:27,500 --> 02:20:28,500
I just said, I.

3120
02:20:29,533 --> 02:20:32,100
Am trying to visualize what we have for crosswalks on that.

3121
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:34,767
I drive it kind of frequently.

3122
02:20:33,133 --> 02:20:33,000
Stretch.

3123
02:20:34,767 --> 02:20:35,000
Right?

3124
02:20:35,100 --> 02:20:39,367
So 20 there aren't any aren't there's not, it's just at, I understand at

3125
02:20:39,367 --> 02:20:41,033
the intersection square where the new.

3126
02:20:41,333 --> 02:20:42,066
The whole, yeah.

3127
02:20:42,066 --> 02:20:42,300
Yeah.

3128
02:20:42,300 --> 02:20:43,300
And then also that's what I was thinking.

3129
02:20:43,367 --> 02:20:44,266
The sidewalk ends.

3130
02:20:45,133 --> 02:20:46,266
Ends at Washington road.

3131
02:20:46,300 --> 02:20:47,000
You scroll down.

3132
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:48,300
Oh, you can't scroll down, but it ends.

3133
02:20:49,333 --> 02:20:50,066
Ends right there, right near there.

3134
02:20:50,233 --> 02:20:52,033
So this makes sense because.

3135
02:20:52,934 --> 02:20:53,867
If it's six units.

3136
02:20:55,433 --> 02:20:57,667
There, you know, 12 people.

3137
02:20:58,667 --> 02:20:59,634
12 to 20 people living there.

3138
02:21:00,934 --> 02:21:01,100
However many,

3139
02:21:02,500 --> 02:21:04,333
the other side of the road is where the crosswalk is.

3140
02:21:04,367 --> 02:21:06,033
So like accessibility for that is.

3141
02:21:07,066 --> 02:21:08,000
Yeah, I think that what makes sense.

3142
02:21:08,300 --> 02:21:08,634
Yeah.

3143
02:21:08,900 --> 02:21:10,166
But yeah, apparently road is.

3144
02:21:11,900 --> 02:21:12,367
The dodgy.

3145
02:21:13,333 --> 02:21:13,333
Yeah,

3146
02:21:15,900 --> 02:21:16,000
horrible.

3147
02:21:19,066 --> 02:21:19,367
Okay.

3148
02:21:27,133 --> 02:21:27,900
Do you have the

3149
02:21:28,767 --> 02:21:29,133
confirmation commission law.

3150
02:21:30,700 --> 02:21:31,066
Yeah.

3151
02:21:32,033 --> 02:21:33,433
I can't find one anywhere.

3152
02:21:34,467 --> 02:21:36,533
I've got, I'm working off a three packet here.

3153
02:21:49,900 --> 02:21:50,533
Okay, thank you.

3154
02:21:52,500 --> 02:21:55,033
I have a question just because it's been a while since we've looked at

3155
02:21:55,033 --> 02:21:56,834
this, can we approve the yield plan?

3156
02:21:58,000 --> 02:21:58,867
At the last meeting.

3157
02:21:59,333 --> 02:22:00,066
I can't remember.

3158
02:22:00,100 --> 02:22:01,166
No, we did not.

3159
02:22:01,367 --> 02:22:03,066
So should we look at the yield plan?

3160
02:22:04,300 --> 02:22:04,634
Uhoh

3161
02:22:05,133 --> 02:22:07,300
I don't have any, you should it's we should.

3162
02:22:07,367 --> 02:22:09,834
Yeah, because we need to approve that before we can approve the.

3163
02:22:10,667 --> 02:22:10,667
Yeah,

3164
02:22:11,533 --> 02:22:13,100
you need to, it says accept.

3165
02:22:13,166 --> 02:22:14,734
I believe, read to accept it.

3166
02:22:14,734 --> 02:22:15,033
Okay.

3167
02:22:15,033 --> 02:22:15,166
Accept.

3168
02:22:16,133 --> 02:22:18,667
Cause I feel like first time we at have to make a formal.

3169
02:22:19,066 --> 02:22:20,133
Lot of the times we'll make a formal vote.

3170
02:22:20,166 --> 02:22:24,000
But if you, if you approve the plan, then you've accepted the yield plan

3171
02:22:24,133 --> 02:22:24,300
Yeah.

3172
02:22:24,433 --> 02:22:26,900
You know, if, if you have any issues, you should discuss it and.

3173
02:22:27,533 --> 02:22:28,533
Have that discussion now.

3174
02:22:28,533 --> 02:22:28,734
Yeah.

3175
02:22:28,900 --> 02:22:29,066
Okay.

3176
02:22:29,066 --> 02:22:29,166
Yeah.

3177
02:22:29,367 --> 02:22:32,033
I seem to remember that there were some concerns and we were gonna go

3178
02:22:32,033 --> 02:22:32,567
look at the site.

3179
02:22:33,333 --> 02:22:35,500
And I don't know if we've addressed all the concerns.

3180
02:22:36,266 --> 02:22:37,533
I didn't bring one with me.

3181
02:22:40,634 --> 02:22:41,000
Yeah,

3182
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,300
the old, the yield plan for this project.

3183
02:22:45,533 --> 02:22:48,166
I probably have it, but I'm, I'm all over the place tonight.

3184
02:22:48,433 --> 02:22:48,867
I can't.

3185
02:22:49,033 --> 02:22:51,133
Thank, can you kinda keep that tagged?

3186
02:22:51,367 --> 02:22:51,834
I will.

3187
02:22:52,567 --> 02:22:52,567
Okay.

3188
02:22:52,934 --> 02:22:54,000
What was that meeting date?

3189
02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:56,500
Oh boy.

3190
02:22:56,567 --> 02:22:58,634
Well, it could have been June 25th.

3191
02:22:59,100 --> 02:23:00,066
I mean, yeah, July 9th.

3192
02:23:00,100 --> 02:23:02,000
Was it July 9th, the ninth of the 20 June.

3193
02:23:02,166 --> 02:23:03,066
It was July 9th.

3194
02:23:03,433 --> 02:23:03,734
I think so.

3195
02:23:03,734 --> 02:23:04,066
Yeah.

3196
02:23:04,066 --> 02:23:04,166
All right.

3197
02:23:04,166 --> 02:23:04,433
Okay.

3198
02:23:06,033 --> 02:23:08,033
We've been the 23rd was canceled.

3199
02:23:08,033 --> 02:23:09,000
So it was July 9th?

3200
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:09,266
Yes.

3201
02:23:09,500 --> 02:23:09,767
Yep.

3202
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:10,266
Or.

3203
02:23:11,433 --> 02:23:12,100
Where was the 25th?

3204
02:23:12,100 --> 02:23:13,000
I've got the 25th.

3205
02:23:13,033 --> 02:23:14,066
No, it was the 25th.

3206
02:23:15,066 --> 02:23:15,567
June 25th.

3207
02:23:15,767 --> 02:23:16,100
Yeah.

3208
02:23:16,567 --> 02:23:18,000
I don't think you went on the July 13th.

3209
02:23:19,066 --> 02:23:19,734
No, you weren't there.

3210
02:23:20,100 --> 02:23:20,567
Oh, okay.

3211
02:23:21,100 --> 02:23:22,900
You met all met once in July.

3212
02:23:25,100 --> 02:23:28,066
Yeah, let me, let me, I'll find out definitively here in a second.

3213
02:23:33,533 --> 02:23:34,300
Some issues though.

3214
02:23:35,367 --> 02:23:37,000
I remember there were some issues and I just couldn't.

3215
02:23:37,333 --> 02:23:38,500
Couldn't remember if they were resolved?

3216
02:23:38,567 --> 02:23:38,900
Yeah.

3217
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:39,900
One of 'em was the.

3218
02:23:41,467 --> 02:23:45,000
Her name winter street, Phillips waiver with a neighbor.

3219
02:23:47,100 --> 02:23:47,367
So, yeah.

3220
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:50,000
But just for

3221
02:23:51,533 --> 02:23:52,166
between meetings.

3222
02:23:53,700 --> 02:23:53,734
Meetings people shoot.

3223
02:24:12,567 --> 02:24:13,500
That was the 25th.

3224
02:24:13,700 --> 02:24:14,066
Yeah.

3225
02:24:17,667 --> 02:24:19,834
I sort of feel like there are a lot of things that.

3226
02:24:20,567 --> 02:24:22,567
Have been brought up by U EI.

3227
02:24:23,834 --> 02:24:24,533
I and

3228
02:24:25,367 --> 02:24:27,867
a few things that may come up tonight that will.

3229
02:24:29,166 --> 02:24:31,500
Be require them to come back.

3230
02:24:32,367 --> 02:24:33,100
So maybe we can

3231
02:24:34,667 --> 02:24:36,100
table sort of table that.

3232
02:24:36,934 --> 02:24:37,000
Until

3233
02:24:38,133 --> 02:24:41,033
they seen it enough to be able to respond to them.

3234
02:24:41,367 --> 02:24:43,500
And there's a lot, there, there is a lot.

3235
02:24:43,867 --> 02:24:44,100
And.

3236
02:24:45,033 --> 02:24:46,066
We can keep going.

3237
02:24:47,066 --> 02:24:49,333
This concerns or thoughts we have on this.

3238
02:24:52,767 --> 02:24:53,634
Yeah, I am.

3239
02:24:56,133 --> 02:24:56,834
Good idea.

3240
02:25:20,667 --> 02:25:23,066
And one of the conservation commission notes.

3241
02:25:25,166 --> 02:25:28,567
They noted that the wetlands were surveyed on December 22nd.

3242
02:25:28,734 --> 02:25:31,900
And there was a question as to whether there'd been follow up inspection.

3243
02:25:32,166 --> 02:25:34,767
Inspections by the wetland scientist to confirm the results.

3244
02:25:36,033 --> 02:25:40,834
And was the site inspected during times appropriate to identify presence or absence of

3245
02:25:40,900 --> 02:25:41,166
Vernal.

3246
02:25:41,300 --> 02:25:41,834
Pool's.

3247
02:25:42,867 --> 02:25:44,166
And I just wondered if you have.

3248
02:25:46,300 --> 02:25:47,066
An answer.

3249
02:25:47,133 --> 02:25:47,634
If you can.

3250
02:25:49,166 --> 02:25:51,000
Supply us with an answer on that.

3251
02:25:51,834 --> 02:25:54,133
Yeah, I, I, I wasn't Jack bag out there

3252
02:25:55,066 --> 02:25:55,500
this spring.

3253
02:25:57,533 --> 02:26:01,100
And yeah, there, there was, there was no Vernal pools found for certain.

3254
02:26:01,166 --> 02:26:02,433
We could certainly get our.

3255
02:26:04,467 --> 02:26:07,100
Soil and wetland scientists to.

3256
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:09,066
Put that into his memo, cuz

3257
02:26:09,834 --> 02:26:14,066
I, I am not re recalling him actually adding that to his report.

3258
02:26:14,900 --> 02:26:15,033
I did.

3259
02:26:15,667 --> 02:26:16,500
I didn't see it.

3260
02:26:17,700 --> 02:26:21,433
In, but I know he's been back out on site because I believe he

3261
02:26:21,433 --> 02:26:22,834
did a couple of adjustments for us.

3262
02:26:24,834 --> 02:26:25,533
Still laid up.

3263
02:26:31,033 --> 02:26:31,133
Yeah.

3264
02:26:31,133 --> 02:26:32,100
And I'm, I'm just not.

3265
02:26:33,133 --> 02:26:34,867
Finding that in this particular calendar time.

3266
02:26:38,133 --> 02:26:39,300
And we'll need to have.

3267
02:26:41,033 --> 02:26:43,333
There were a lot of comments again by U EI.

3268
02:26:44,567 --> 02:26:46,066
I on trees that were.

3269
02:26:47,300 --> 02:26:49,867
Placed in locations that either were.

3270
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:53,066
Over utilities or there were some.

3271
02:26:54,100 --> 02:26:57,266
There were several concerns in the one of the U EI letters.

3272
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:01,667
Well, if that's the one that came in today, I haven't even seen it

3273
02:26:59,066 --> 02:26:59,066
Letters.

3274
02:27:01,667 --> 02:27:01,867
Yeah.

3275
02:27:02,033 --> 02:27:02,133
Okay.

3276
02:27:02,500 --> 02:27:03,333
And I don't remember.

3277
02:27:03,667 --> 02:27:05,000
I, I did look at that one.

3278
02:27:05,033 --> 02:27:06,433
I don't know if the other one, but.

3279
02:27:07,233 --> 02:27:10,767
That it, it sounded like there's gonna need to be a lot done to

3280
02:27:10,900 --> 02:27:12,500
revise the landscape plan.

3281
02:27:15,867 --> 02:27:17,734
And you'll see that when you.

3282
02:27:18,467 --> 02:27:20,033
See the letter from U EI.

3283
02:27:21,133 --> 02:27:22,000
I, I don't know.

3284
02:27:23,300 --> 02:27:24,133
Let me just see

3285
02:27:26,467 --> 02:27:27,066
oh, wait a minute.

3286
02:27:30,533 --> 02:27:31,000
Three.

3287
02:27:35,367 --> 02:27:35,634
Yes,

3288
02:27:36,300 --> 02:27:36,734
it is.

3289
02:27:36,734 --> 02:27:39,266
It's on page three of the recent U E I.

3290
02:27:40,300 --> 02:27:40,834
Letter

3291
02:27:51,867 --> 02:27:55,266
I like 1, 2, 3, what was five, five different points.

3292
02:27:56,467 --> 02:27:58,166
Of trees that need to be moved.

3293
02:27:58,467 --> 02:28:01,433
And I guess, I guess in follow up to that, I would.

3294
02:28:02,300 --> 02:28:03,000
Request that

3295
02:28:05,133 --> 02:28:07,266
trees that they're seeing need to be removed.

3296
02:28:07,367 --> 02:28:08,367
If those could be.

3297
02:28:09,667 --> 02:28:11,834
And this this lot has been pretty heavily.

3298
02:28:12,567 --> 02:28:12,567
Cleared.

3299
02:28:14,867 --> 02:28:15,767
And I would like to

3300
02:28:16,300 --> 02:28:19,734
not see trees just removed and forgotten about, I'd like to see them.

3301
02:28:20,567 --> 02:28:21,166
Put somewhere else.

3302
02:28:22,867 --> 02:28:25,000
And try to re-vegetate this as best we can.

3303
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:27,433
That's tough out back there.

3304
02:28:27,467 --> 02:28:30,266
Boy, they put somebody to sit still sitting in the.

3305
02:28:31,066 --> 02:28:33,100
Bucket and, you know, they were small trees at one time.

3306
02:28:33,166 --> 02:28:33,533
Yeah.

3307
02:28:33,667 --> 02:28:35,734
So it's that kind of a mishmash up there?

3308
02:28:35,734 --> 02:28:36,133
Yes, there's no.

3309
02:28:37,133 --> 02:28:38,667
No order to right.

3310
02:28:38,900 --> 02:28:39,066
Yeah.

3311
02:28:55,100 --> 02:28:56,300
Anything else we need to be looking at.

3312
02:29:00,066 --> 02:29:01,667
I have a question on the conservation.

3313
02:29:02,467 --> 02:29:04,000
Commission letter from August 12th.

3314
02:29:05,133 --> 02:29:05,000
12th.

3315
02:29:05,300 --> 02:29:06,734
It's the last paragraph.

3316
02:29:08,300 --> 02:29:08,900
Thank you.

3317
02:29:09,900 --> 02:29:12,100
Are we supposed to be getting more information from the applicant?

3318
02:29:13,133 --> 02:29:14,734
On the language of the conservation land.

3319
02:29:19,333 --> 02:29:22,266
They voted unanimously that they support in concept.

3320
02:29:22,900 --> 02:29:23,066
Yeah.

3321
02:29:24,033 --> 02:29:24,033
Right.

3322
02:29:24,100 --> 02:29:25,266
They were looking for.

3323
02:29:26,100 --> 02:29:28,667
What that language would actually be.

3324
02:29:30,500 --> 02:29:31,000
The charm.

3325
02:29:31,300 --> 02:29:36,266
So isn't that something eventually comes to you, Dave, that it, well, Kristen.

3326
02:29:37,467 --> 02:29:37,734
And

3327
02:29:38,767 --> 02:29:39,300
I can't see you.

3328
02:29:39,533 --> 02:29:39,867
Yeah.

3329
02:29:41,433 --> 02:29:43,734
So that those planning board doesn't have to look at that.

3330
02:29:43,734 --> 02:29:45,300
That's something that happens really.

3331
02:29:46,300 --> 02:29:46,300
What happens?

3332
02:29:46,634 --> 02:29:47,133
Oh, you can.

3333
02:29:47,133 --> 02:29:47,433
Yeah.

3334
02:29:47,567 --> 02:29:47,900
Okay.

3335
02:29:48,033 --> 02:29:50,066
Well, no, but typically it would just.

3336
02:29:51,433 --> 02:29:54,066
Well, yeah, because we don't even know what kind, what it is.

3337
02:29:54,266 --> 02:29:56,100
It says what type of deed.

3338
02:29:56,934 --> 02:29:59,867
Easement terms, conservation boundary, correct?

3339
02:30:00,100 --> 02:30:00,333
Yeah.

3340
02:30:00,333 --> 02:30:01,900
There's a few questions.

3341
02:30:02,133 --> 02:30:04,500
So at some point I would like to know what.

3342
02:30:05,133 --> 02:30:10,166
What the crime is for the bonus is if the conservation commission is willing

3343
02:30:10,266 --> 02:30:12,867
to accept the land, you can get a bonus.

3344
02:30:13,133 --> 02:30:13,166
Mm.

3345
02:30:13,533 --> 02:30:14,266
Mm-hmm a density bonus.

3346
02:30:14,367 --> 02:30:18,567
Mm-hmm and, and they are willing to accept it in concepts, in concept

3347
02:30:18,567 --> 02:30:21,333
move along with showing a units instead of.

3348
02:30:21,900 --> 02:30:23,634
Seven one is the density bonus.

3349
02:30:24,500 --> 02:30:28,266
But yet at some point we, we need to know what that yeah, because

3350
02:30:28,433 --> 02:30:30,133
in constant Pete actually is gonna say yes.

3351
02:30:30,133 --> 02:30:30,500
Yeah.

3352
02:30:31,433 --> 02:30:33,667
So if we can get that clarified at some point,

3353
02:30:34,667 --> 02:30:35,033
yeah.

3354
02:30:35,066 --> 02:30:36,033
I mean, typically the.

3355
02:30:37,133 --> 02:30:38,433
The concert or excuse me, the.

3356
02:30:39,834 --> 02:30:42,166
Easement documents, conservation documents.

3357
02:30:42,567 --> 02:30:43,533
Those get done.

3358
02:30:44,567 --> 02:30:45,000
Once we're

3359
02:30:45,533 --> 02:30:47,000
stopping, moving trees, things of that.

3360
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:47,066
Yep.

3361
02:30:47,667 --> 02:30:48,033
Got it.

3362
02:30:48,133 --> 02:30:52,333
Just we're we're checking off a list of what we're looking for and that

3363
02:30:52,333 --> 02:30:52,567
is.

3364
02:30:52,934 --> 02:30:55,333
Something that absolutely they were, they didn't have.

3365
02:30:56,367 --> 02:30:59,533
The information when you talked to them, I watched the meeting, right.

3366
02:30:59,533 --> 02:31:02,266
Because, and that was one of the things that got worked out at the

3367
02:31:02,433 --> 02:31:04,300
sidewalk is because we don't know if they.

3368
02:31:04,767 --> 02:31:04,767
Want

3369
02:31:05,433 --> 02:31:07,567
and conservation easement and.

3370
02:31:08,567 --> 02:31:09,567
Deed restriction, et cetera, et cetera.

3371
02:31:10,867 --> 02:31:14,033
Until we work with them and I think we understand what they're gonna be

3372
02:31:14,033 --> 02:31:14,734
comfortable with.

3373
02:31:15,100 --> 02:31:18,033
And now it's just a matter of John to get his attorneys to.

3374
02:31:19,066 --> 02:31:20,166
Draft the appropriate language.

3375
02:31:20,300 --> 02:31:20,734
Great.

3376
02:31:20,900 --> 02:31:21,066
Yeah.

3377
02:31:22,233 --> 02:31:26,367
How about number three commission also noted strong preference to adopt this plan.

3378
02:31:27,433 --> 02:31:30,033
As presented, avoiding the development of the second lad off.

3379
02:31:31,066 --> 02:31:35,834
Of McKay drive in order to preserve larger contiguous wetland and wetland buffer complex

3380
02:31:35,834 --> 02:31:37,066
without encroachments.

3381
02:31:38,100 --> 02:31:39,533
To support settlement retention.

3382
02:31:40,867 --> 02:31:42,533
And encourage groundwater recharge.

3383
02:31:43,433 --> 02:31:45,266
Yeah, that was one of the points of my.

3384
02:31:46,667 --> 02:31:47,900
Introduction Mr. Chairman.

3385
02:31:48,934 --> 02:31:49,033
And

3386
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:53,066
while there were a couple of commissioners that were not thrilled about that,

3387
02:31:54,033 --> 02:31:55,567
the, the contingent of.

3388
02:31:56,567 --> 02:31:57,033
Planning board members.

3389
02:31:57,367 --> 02:31:58,533
Now I wasn't at the sidewalk.

3390
02:31:58,867 --> 02:31:59,333
My, my.

3391
02:32:00,767 --> 02:32:01,166
Senior engineer.

3392
02:32:01,300 --> 02:32:02,433
We noticed that John Morgan.

3393
02:32:04,033 --> 02:32:04,033
Morton.

3394
02:32:04,700 --> 02:32:05,767
He was very good by the way.

3395
02:32:06,867 --> 02:32:09,900
He said that a number of planning board members, and maybe it was just

3396
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:11,000
a couple planning board members.

3397
02:32:13,100 --> 02:32:13,100
I don't even know how many of you were able to make it outthere.

3398
02:32:14,100 --> 02:32:16,900
But we're actually very much in favor of that.

3399
02:32:17,700 --> 02:32:19,000
Second unit out on McKay drive.

3400
02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:19,100
Yeah.

3401
02:32:20,567 --> 02:32:20,634
Because,

3402
02:32:21,266 --> 02:32:24,100
you know, it's, it is not affecting wetlands itself.

3403
02:32:24,300 --> 02:32:24,734
Right.

3404
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:27,734
And the buffers on those two front.

3405
02:32:28,934 --> 02:32:30,033
Proposed thousands out there.

3406
02:32:31,767 --> 02:32:35,100
You know, they're, they're just, they're not in that great shape because they're right

3407
02:32:35,100 --> 02:32:36,033
next to paragraph.

3408
02:32:36,934 --> 02:32:37,767
Photograph, but anyway.

3409
02:32:38,133 --> 02:32:38,300
Okay.

3410
02:32:38,500 --> 02:32:38,767
Yep.

3411
02:32:39,133 --> 02:32:39,367
Yep.

3412
02:32:39,467 --> 02:32:41,900
We, we understood what the conservation commission's.

3413
02:32:43,066 --> 02:32:45,667
Physician was it, it just seemed that this board's.

3414
02:32:46,467 --> 02:32:50,066
Board's position or the agents that were there were, were counter to that.

3415
02:32:50,133 --> 02:32:51,033
So that's what we ended.

3416
02:32:57,767 --> 02:32:58,867
We always request

3417
02:32:59,867 --> 02:33:01,767
the marking of trees that are over.

3418
02:33:02,867 --> 02:33:04,133
20 inches in diameter.

3419
02:33:05,333 --> 02:33:07,734
To be noted on the existing condition plan.

3420
02:33:08,033 --> 02:33:09,266
I know that this site was.

3421
02:33:10,166 --> 02:33:14,033
Cleared , but I don't know about the two lots on McKay.

3422
02:33:15,000 --> 02:33:16,000
I, I didn't notice.

3423
02:33:16,100 --> 02:33:16,433
Yeah.

3424
02:33:16,567 --> 02:33:17,266
I, I will check.

3425
02:33:17,367 --> 02:33:18,867
Can you check and see if they're in?

3426
02:33:18,867 --> 02:33:21,834
Yeah, I'll take a look at that because I, I know that.

3427
02:33:23,000 --> 02:33:26,066
That civil works is aware of that requirement.

3428
02:33:26,133 --> 02:33:26,166
Yep.

3429
02:33:26,433 --> 02:33:26,767
Yeah.

3430
02:33:27,834 --> 02:33:28,634
I I was on the sidewalk

3431
02:33:29,433 --> 02:33:32,567
could well be Glen that they, they picked him off with the survey.

3432
02:33:33,533 --> 02:33:36,767
Points, but didn't process it through text that shows up on the drawing.

3433
02:33:37,000 --> 02:33:38,266
I'll double check mm-hmm I'll mark.

3434
02:33:38,266 --> 02:33:39,033
That that would be great.

3435
02:33:39,033 --> 02:33:40,367
Yeah, you did show three.

3436
02:33:41,734 --> 02:33:43,533
Coniferous trees on the

3437
02:33:44,367 --> 02:33:45,066
existing conditions plan.

3438
02:33:45,100 --> 02:33:46,033
We thought those were them.

3439
02:33:47,667 --> 02:33:51,100
But anyway, they, they didn't identify 'em as 20 inches or better, but

3440
02:33:51,934 --> 02:33:53,066
OUS trees they're on.

3441
02:33:54,066 --> 02:33:55,300
They're on sheet.

3442
02:33:56,567 --> 02:33:57,266
Well, they're on multiple sheets.

3443
02:33:57,266 --> 02:33:58,667
They're on the lot line adjustment sheet,

3444
02:33:59,166 --> 02:33:59,767
existing conditions.

3445
02:34:00,066 --> 02:34:00,166
Yeah.

3446
02:34:01,266 --> 02:34:05,133
So I thought those I'll have exist to find out well, we'll confirm that

3447
02:34:05,133 --> 02:34:06,667
but I thought that's all that exists.

3448
02:34:06,667 --> 02:34:07,066
Right?

3449
02:34:07,066 --> 02:34:09,000
Which ones meet the 20 inches and which ones do.

3450
02:34:09,333 --> 02:34:09,333
Not

3451
02:34:10,700 --> 02:34:12,900
because we talked about that at the TRC as well.

3452
02:34:19,233 --> 02:34:19,266
Thank you.

3453
02:34:19,700 --> 02:34:21,066
Other questions, concerns.

3454
02:34:26,533 --> 02:34:29,634
No, just if we can get a response to the letter that was handed

3455
02:34:29,700 --> 02:34:30,266
out tonight.

3456
02:34:31,367 --> 02:34:32,166
You know, before

3457
02:34:33,333 --> 02:34:35,900
with time to review it before our next oh, that was this one here

3458
02:34:35,900 --> 02:34:36,000
Yeah.

3459
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:36,166
Okay.

3460
02:34:36,300 --> 02:34:36,567
Yes.

3461
02:34:37,166 --> 02:34:38,033
We had a handout.

3462
02:34:38,233 --> 02:34:39,300
No, I'll put it someplace.

3463
02:34:39,300 --> 02:34:40,100
Oh, it's over here.

3464
02:34:40,133 --> 02:34:40,367
Yep.

3465
02:34:45,900 --> 02:34:47,634
Anybody from the public, let me open it to the public.

3466
02:34:47,634 --> 02:34:50,667
Anybody in the public like to speak about this particular project?

3467
02:34:54,900 --> 02:34:55,900
Don't all speaker once.

3468
02:35:03,000 --> 02:35:06,767
well hearing none, then we're all set with the, at this point, I'll close

3469
02:35:06,934 --> 02:35:07,900
Well, I'll leave it open.

3470
02:35:09,100 --> 02:35:12,166
So just, I know we'll probably look at the yield plan at the next

3471
02:35:12,166 --> 02:35:15,567
meeting, but just to be clear is so the yield plan dated

3472
02:35:16,166 --> 02:35:16,767
February 20.

3473
02:35:17,133 --> 02:35:17,300
26.

3474
02:35:18,634 --> 02:35:20,033
Is that the one we're using?

3475
02:35:21,066 --> 02:35:22,100
Cause I'm only seeing

3476
02:35:23,667 --> 02:35:25,100
I'm seeing nine lots on that one.

3477
02:35:25,166 --> 02:35:27,133
And then 10 lots on the proposed.

3478
02:35:28,367 --> 02:35:29,567
But maybe I miscounting.

3479
02:35:30,867 --> 02:35:32,367
This should only be seven.

3480
02:35:33,133 --> 02:35:36,066
Well, so I'm including the two lots on the street.

3481
02:35:36,133 --> 02:35:38,433
Oh, the lots, the, the lot line adjustment lot.

3482
02:35:38,433 --> 02:35:39,667
And then the lots being carved.

3483
02:35:39,700 --> 02:35:40,100
Right.

3484
02:35:40,166 --> 02:35:41,066
So, yeah.

3485
02:35:41,066 --> 02:35:41,100
So.

3486
02:35:41,533 --> 02:35:42,500
There should be nine seven.

3487
02:35:43,834 --> 02:35:44,133
New lots.

3488
02:35:44,767 --> 02:35:45,100
Yeah.

3489
02:35:46,100 --> 02:35:47,567
And then there's eight new lots.

3490
02:35:47,634 --> 02:35:49,300
Are there eight new lots on your proposed plans?

3491
02:35:49,300 --> 02:35:50,133
Eight new buildings.

3492
02:35:50,133 --> 02:35:50,333
Yes.

3493
02:35:50,367 --> 02:35:52,500
Yes, because we're, we're proposing.

3494
02:35:53,734 --> 02:35:56,300
To enact the 10% density bonus.

3495
02:35:57,133 --> 02:35:59,734
Based on the fact that we're putting over 50% of the land in the

3496
02:35:59,734 --> 02:36:00,133
conservation.

3497
02:36:00,500 --> 02:36:00,900
Got it.

3498
02:36:00,900 --> 02:36:01,100
Okay.

3499
02:36:01,300 --> 02:36:04,367
I think I, and doesn't one of the units exist the bottom, right?

3500
02:36:04,367 --> 02:36:05,100
One you're counting as.

3501
02:36:05,533 --> 02:36:06,033
A unit in the yield plant.

3502
02:36:06,033 --> 02:36:06,300
Yes.

3503
02:36:06,667 --> 02:36:07,867
Don't you move that lot line.

3504
02:36:10,133 --> 02:36:10,767
That's what I thought.

3505
02:36:11,300 --> 02:36:12,367
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3506
02:36:12,467 --> 02:36:12,834
Okay.

3507
02:36:12,934 --> 02:36:13,033
Yes.

3508
02:36:13,667 --> 02:36:14,033
Just.

3509
02:36:16,467 --> 02:36:18,500
So there's already one of those long units.

3510
02:36:19,233 --> 02:36:19,266
There.

3511
02:36:19,333 --> 02:36:19,667
Okay.

3512
02:36:21,533 --> 02:36:24,500
So, you know, when you get to yeah, so you get to nine, but

3513
02:36:24,500 --> 02:36:27,066
it's actually eight new ones cuz one of 'em already exists.

3514
02:36:27,066 --> 02:36:27,333
Right?

3515
02:36:27,367 --> 02:36:27,734
Okay.

3516
02:36:28,567 --> 02:36:29,667
So the bonus gets you nine?

3517
02:36:30,233 --> 02:36:34,166
No, the bonus gets you the eighth one bonus gets you eight new ones

3518
02:36:34,333 --> 02:36:35,100
Eight new ones.

3519
02:36:35,100 --> 02:36:35,166
Yeah.

3520
02:36:35,300 --> 02:36:35,634
Yeah.

3521
02:36:36,100 --> 02:36:36,634
Remaining.

3522
02:36:36,934 --> 02:36:37,000
Land

3523
02:36:37,734 --> 02:36:41,333
after subdividing off the parcel that used to have all the greenhouses

3524
02:36:42,533 --> 02:36:43,066
you could get.

3525
02:36:43,734 --> 02:36:44,734
But on top, there's already.

3526
02:36:45,133 --> 02:36:45,266
One existing.

3527
02:36:45,367 --> 02:36:46,166
So it's a little confusing.

3528
02:36:46,266 --> 02:36:47,166
I'm gonna take your work a little bit.

3529
02:36:47,367 --> 02:36:47,734
Yeah.

3530
02:36:48,066 --> 02:36:50,066
I, I don't know what happened tonight, but yes.

3531
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:50,333
Okay.

3532
02:36:50,533 --> 02:36:50,867
Yeah.

3533
02:36:51,634 --> 02:36:53,300
I think what you need to, you know, just, just.

3534
02:36:54,100 --> 02:36:56,333
Do you like, you know, the, the, the yield plan.

3535
02:36:57,333 --> 02:36:59,767
Where the lots and the configured do they meet the zoning mm-hmm and

3536
02:36:59,767 --> 02:37:00,100
so forth?

3537
02:37:00,100 --> 02:37:01,033
Mm-hmm that's what you determine.

3538
02:37:04,533 --> 02:37:06,100
One, one really quick question.

3539
02:37:07,066 --> 02:37:08,000
On mm-hmm the lighting plan.

3540
02:37:08,133 --> 02:37:09,066
You have a light.

3541
02:37:10,133 --> 02:37:12,100
At the end of the road at the intersection?

3542
02:37:12,033 --> 02:37:12,300
Yes.

3543
02:37:12,734 --> 02:37:16,133
Is that that's not a, like a regular utility pole.

3544
02:37:16,166 --> 02:37:17,367
It's the pole Mount.

3545
02:37:18,100 --> 02:37:19,166
That you have pictured, correct.

3546
02:37:19,166 --> 02:37:20,333
That's looked at is yep.

3547
02:37:20,333 --> 02:37:20,567
Okay.

3548
02:37:20,567 --> 02:37:21,333
That's what I thought.

3549
02:37:22,667 --> 02:37:23,033
Okay.

3550
02:37:24,567 --> 02:37:26,100
What's the condominium like

3551
02:37:27,900 --> 02:37:28,867
yeah, pretty much.

3552
02:37:31,700 --> 02:37:32,133
That's it.

3553
02:37:32,300 --> 02:37:32,734
All right.

3554
02:37:43,166 --> 02:37:44,000
What's interesting.

3555
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:44,634
Marty is

3556
02:37:45,133 --> 02:37:46,133
I talked to John Bell.

3557
02:37:46,266 --> 02:37:47,066
I was talking to.

3558
02:37:48,166 --> 02:37:50,166
D P w and they have resurfacing.

3559
02:37:51,066 --> 02:37:54,100
Brentwood road next year, and we're gonna do it this year, grind it, but

3560
02:37:54,100 --> 02:37:56,166
they thought they would tie it into what we're doing.

3561
02:37:56,300 --> 02:37:58,166
So at that point it makes a lot of sense to.

3562
02:37:59,066 --> 02:38:00,567
Work on that, that crosswalk situation.

3563
02:38:02,233 --> 02:38:05,166
Does that mean I have to drive up that bumpy road for the next

3564
02:38:05,166 --> 02:38:05,533
year?

3565
02:38:05,667 --> 02:38:06,367
Well, he's in the spring.

3566
02:38:06,500 --> 02:38:07,066
Oh my gosh.

3567
02:38:07,500 --> 02:38:08,033
.

3568
02:38:10,133 --> 02:38:11,166
It's only that short piece.

3569
02:38:12,100 --> 02:38:13,066
I think they're grinding though.

3570
02:38:13,100 --> 02:38:16,634
I did say from the, from the dam all the way up to Crestview

3571
02:38:17,133 --> 02:38:20,433
I think, and that's this year, and then they're gonna continue next year, which

3572
02:38:20,433 --> 02:38:22,033
will take it up to, so you might be all right then.

3573
02:38:22,066 --> 02:38:22,300
Great.

3574
02:38:23,066 --> 02:38:26,533
and I just read that the bridge isn't gonna be redone until right

3575
02:38:28,700 --> 02:38:30,533
2032 or something.

3576
02:38:30,900 --> 02:38:31,333
It's way.

3577
02:38:31,500 --> 02:38:32,500
That's way off.

3578
02:38:33,033 --> 02:38:34,433
and that's a moving target as well.

3579
02:38:34,433 --> 02:38:35,333
Yeah, that's a moving target.

3580
02:38:36,033 --> 02:38:36,066
As well main target.

3581
02:38:36,066 --> 02:38:36,033
Yeah.

3582
02:38:36,500 --> 02:38:37,100
Oh, well,

3583
02:38:37,634 --> 02:38:37,667
.

3584
02:38:39,834 --> 02:38:40,567
Just what it is.

3585
02:38:43,634 --> 02:38:44,000
Okay.

3586
02:38:44,734 --> 02:38:46,166
I think about a point where we.

3587
02:38:47,367 --> 02:38:48,734
Need to continue this case.

3588
02:38:50,066 --> 02:38:50,500
Your honor.

3589
02:38:52,033 --> 02:38:56,333
Do we know where something continue to, to ask more or to what date

3590
02:38:57,533 --> 02:38:57,834
To

3591
02:38:58,433 --> 02:39:00,900
that you probably wanna talk to the applicant first couple things.

3592
02:39:01,000 --> 02:39:01,166
May I?

3593
02:39:01,367 --> 02:39:01,734
Yeah.

3594
02:39:03,066 --> 02:39:06,900
First you want, it's the, it's been six since, since it's only the second

3595
02:39:06,900 --> 02:39:09,367
meeting, but it's been, but it's been six.

3596
02:39:09,667 --> 02:39:10,300
It's been a long time.

3597
02:39:10,433 --> 02:39:11,000
It's been 60.

3598
02:39:11,433 --> 02:39:11,567
Three days.

3599
02:39:11,700 --> 02:39:14,266
So the 65 day statutory clock is up in two days.

3600
02:39:14,467 --> 02:39:18,166
So you need to ask the, you know, applicant to agree to an extension

3601
02:39:18,166 --> 02:39:19,500
which I believe the.

3602
02:39:19,834 --> 02:39:22,900
You know, they got plenty to respond to here, so, but I I'll leave

3603
02:39:22,900 --> 02:39:23,266
that to them.

3604
02:39:23,266 --> 02:39:23,533
Okay.

3605
02:39:23,667 --> 02:39:26,300
And I think you make sure you get that on the record, agreeing to

3606
02:39:26,300 --> 02:39:26,500
that.

3607
02:39:27,000 --> 02:39:27,300
And then.

3608
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:28,634
When would you be

3609
02:39:30,066 --> 02:39:32,667
when you'd be able to turn around and get us plans?

3610
02:39:33,900 --> 02:39:37,066
Plans, you know, cuz the next, for example, the next meeting is September 10th, but

3611
02:39:37,066 --> 02:39:38,100
we need we'd need.

3612
02:39:39,066 --> 02:39:40,734
Response to all this stuff by September 3rd.

3613
02:39:41,533 --> 02:39:42,266
I mean, can you do that?

3614
02:39:42,533 --> 02:39:44,000
And so by next Wednesday,

3615
02:39:45,000 --> 02:39:48,900
That's what I'm asking or, or are you table it till September 24th?

3616
02:39:45,133 --> 02:39:45,000
yeah.

3617
02:39:48,934 --> 02:39:50,066
Yeah, that was the 24th.

3618
02:39:51,066 --> 02:39:51,367
Yeah.

3619
02:39:52,367 --> 02:39:52,767
September 20.

3620
02:39:52,867 --> 02:39:58,033
And do you okay with a, an extension to the 65 day statutory,

3621
02:39:59,066 --> 02:40:00,066
give us an extension.

3622
02:40:00,900 --> 02:40:01,500
Absolutely.

3623
02:40:01,533 --> 02:40:02,066
Thank you.

3624
02:40:02,066 --> 02:40:02,166
Okay.

3625
02:40:04,100 --> 02:40:05,100
So back show

3626
02:40:06,333 --> 02:40:06,767
there.

3627
02:40:09,333 --> 02:40:09,667
Okay.

3628
02:40:10,100 --> 02:40:11,533
Do you want, is he looking for a motion?

3629
02:40:12,066 --> 02:40:12,767
I couldn't hear.

3630
02:40:12,900 --> 02:40:13,266
Can't tell.

3631
02:40:13,533 --> 02:40:14,634
I, I, I know, I'm sorry.

3632
02:40:14,667 --> 02:40:15,033
I couldn't hear.

3633
02:40:15,066 --> 02:40:15,367
Okay.

3634
02:40:15,467 --> 02:40:16,433
So I move.

3635
02:40:17,133 --> 02:40:20,000
That we continue planning board case number.

3636
02:40:20,934 --> 02:40:22,066
26 dash 11.

3637
02:40:24,667 --> 02:40:24,900
To

3638
02:40:25,700 --> 02:40:27,066
our September 24th.

3639
02:40:28,033 --> 02:40:28,867
2026 meeting

3640
02:40:29,467 --> 02:40:31,367
at 7:00 PM in the Nova room.

3641
02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:34,900
Second second.

3642
02:40:35,033 --> 02:40:35,133
Okay.

3643
02:40:35,133 --> 02:40:35,900
We've got a second.

3644
02:40:37,900 --> 02:40:39,834
Everybody in favor, please say aye.

3645
02:40:40,033 --> 02:40:40,100
Aye.

3646
02:40:40,233 --> 02:40:40,500
Aye.

3647
02:40:40,767 --> 02:40:42,634
Opposed obsessions the aye heaven.

3648
02:40:43,133 --> 02:40:43,433
Thank you.

3649
02:40:43,500 --> 02:40:44,300
Thank you, gentlemen.

3650
02:40:44,333 --> 02:40:44,867
Thank you.

3651
02:40:45,133 --> 02:40:46,100
Folks ladies.

3652
02:40:46,867 --> 02:40:47,100
Oh,

3653
02:40:50,533 --> 02:40:52,100
well, at least we have the propensity.

3654
02:40:52,066 --> 02:40:53,333
Next time won't be taking.

3655
02:40:56,767 --> 02:40:57,333
You never know.

3656
02:40:58,300 --> 02:40:58,634
Yeah.

3657
02:41:00,066 --> 02:41:01,033
I don't even like myself.

3658
02:41:01,767 --> 02:41:01,867
.

3659
02:41:05,734 --> 02:41:06,033
All right.

3660
02:41:06,233 --> 02:41:07,066
Let's see now.

3661
02:41:13,033 --> 02:41:13,333
Thank you.

3662
02:41:14,667 --> 02:41:14,700
Very much.

3663
02:41:14,700 --> 02:41:14,734
Thank you.

3664
02:41:14,734 --> 02:41:15,033
Thank you.

3665
02:41:15,033 --> 02:41:16,166
Have a good holiday weekend.

3666
02:41:17,033 --> 02:41:18,000
Don't forget to vote.

3667
02:41:19,033 --> 02:41:19,533
Oh, yeah.

3668
02:41:19,900 --> 02:41:21,100
Voting day adapted.

3669
02:41:21,333 --> 02:41:21,667
Okay.

3670
02:41:21,700 --> 02:41:23,066
Master plan discussion.

3671
02:41:23,000 --> 02:41:25,500
Is there anything to discuss about master plan?

3672
02:41:27,000 --> 02:41:27,333
Nope.

3673
02:41:27,667 --> 02:41:28,033
Okay.

3674
02:41:28,934 --> 02:41:31,433
Land use and regulation on just on that beat.

3675
02:41:31,934 --> 02:41:33,300
Do we wanna schedule another meeting?

3676
02:41:33,467 --> 02:41:34,033
Our next meeting?

3677
02:41:34,100 --> 02:41:35,066
I thought you said.

3678
02:41:36,367 --> 02:41:39,567
They're going to start being on the planning board meeting day.

3679
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:42,033
I, I, that's what I proposed that we would do that.

3680
02:41:42,100 --> 02:41:42,166
I just.

3681
02:41:43,900 --> 02:41:44,767
Are we all good with that?

3682
02:41:45,066 --> 02:41:46,867
I mean, I'll, I thought everyone was, yeah.

3683
02:41:47,233 --> 02:41:47,567
Okay.

3684
02:41:47,567 --> 02:41:50,634
Well, we haven't sent any invitations out or anything, so I'll, I'll follow over

3685
02:41:50,634 --> 02:41:50,834
here.

3686
02:41:51,467 --> 02:41:51,467
With you.Okay.

3687
02:41:51,667 --> 02:41:52,734
Now follow up with Don.

3688
02:41:52,767 --> 02:41:53,066
Yep.

3689
02:41:53,066 --> 02:41:53,133
Okay.

3690
02:41:53,300 --> 02:41:54,033
Call a meeting.

3691
02:41:54,066 --> 02:41:54,367
Okay.

3692
02:41:55,634 --> 02:41:56,567
And hopefully we get

3693
02:41:58,433 --> 02:41:59,000
a quorum.

3694
02:41:59,000 --> 02:41:59,033
Yeah.

3695
02:41:59,634 --> 02:42:00,066
Okay.

3696
02:42:00,166 --> 02:42:02,767
That's a good segue to the quorum point.

3697
02:42:03,634 --> 02:42:04,166
Is there an avenue?

3698
02:42:06,033 --> 02:42:09,533
To expand that have alternates so that corn be met more regularly.

3699
02:42:10,300 --> 02:42:12,333
I mean, is there an well.

3700
02:42:13,133 --> 02:42:16,367
I don't suggest committees are a quorum of the planning board, cuz then you're

3701
02:42:16,367 --> 02:42:17,166
not a committee anymore.

3702
02:42:17,166 --> 02:42:18,000
You're the planning board.

3703
02:42:18,367 --> 02:42:19,066
Well, I get it.

3704
02:42:19,066 --> 02:42:20,767
So as a, as a group of seven,

3705
02:42:21,533 --> 02:42:22,834
a quorum is four.

3706
02:42:23,834 --> 02:42:26,500
So you want your committees usually less than a quorum?

3707
02:42:27,033 --> 02:42:29,834
Not saying you can't do it, but usually it's like, then, then it's a

3708
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:30,433
planning board meeting.

3709
02:42:30,767 --> 02:42:31,100
Yeah.

3710
02:42:31,100 --> 02:42:31,634
So I guess I would.

3711
02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:34,634
Meant more of like having, cause it seems like all alternates you mean?

3712
02:42:34,634 --> 02:42:34,900
Yeah.

3713
02:42:34,900 --> 02:42:35,033
Yeah.

3714
02:42:35,033 --> 02:42:35,500
Alternates.

3715
02:42:35,500 --> 02:42:36,734
It seems like the MPO C meetings.

3716
02:42:37,900 --> 02:42:39,100
Meetings come and go because of availability.

3717
02:42:39,533 --> 02:42:41,133
So if there's an alternate that could be on that.

3718
02:42:42,367 --> 02:42:43,333
I'm not sure what the.

3719
02:42:44,266 --> 02:42:48,333
Method for that to happen would be, well, it would be an adjustment to

3720
02:42:48,433 --> 02:42:48,667
the

3721
02:42:49,300 --> 02:42:51,100
rules of procedure, cuz that's where.

3722
02:42:52,166 --> 02:42:52,433
Your

3723
02:42:53,233 --> 02:42:53,734
right, right.

3724
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:54,333
Yeah.

3725
02:42:54,333 --> 02:42:55,100
That's where it lives.

3726
02:42:55,100 --> 02:42:58,100
That's where you created the N POC mm-hmm and that's where it lays

3727
02:42:58,100 --> 02:42:58,133
forth.

3728
02:42:58,133 --> 02:42:59,900
That there's three members and.

3729
02:43:00,567 --> 02:43:01,667
No alternates are identified.

3730
02:43:02,133 --> 02:43:05,667
So you'd probably want to just, you could change that and add one and

3731
02:43:07,066 --> 02:43:10,734
I don't know, chair Mr. Chair, or if anyone knows the, the process for

3732
02:43:10,734 --> 02:43:13,033
that, is that something that happens at a meeting tonight right here?

3733
02:43:13,433 --> 02:43:15,000
Oh no, you, you gotta notice.

3734
02:43:15,233 --> 02:43:15,266
It.

3735
02:43:15,333 --> 02:43:15,667
Okay.

3736
02:43:16,033 --> 02:43:18,834
You, you, you you'd say what you want and I, I could.

3737
02:43:19,834 --> 02:43:23,000
Prepare like, you know, we'd have a dis let's have a discussion and maybe

3738
02:43:23,000 --> 02:43:26,033
the next meeting, I'll just throw it on the agenda and you can discuss

3739
02:43:26,033 --> 02:43:26,066
it.

3740
02:43:27,066 --> 02:43:27,767
Okay.And I'll be ready.

3741
02:43:27,900 --> 02:43:29,266
Yeah, that sounds great if that's yeah.

3742
02:43:29,634 --> 02:43:31,033
So just to be clear, it's

3743
02:43:31,533 --> 02:43:33,266
to, to discuss the next meeting.

3744
02:43:34,100 --> 02:43:36,066
Adding alternates to the M P C.

3745
02:43:37,133 --> 02:43:39,100
Adding NAL adding NAL the N POC.

3746
02:43:39,266 --> 02:43:39,867
I dunno how many.

3747
02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:43,333
Yeah, but then the tricky part with that is I, I didn't notice

3748
02:43:44,133 --> 02:43:45,000
I'm thinking about it now.

3749
02:43:45,333 --> 02:43:47,100
Cuz that just, you know, that first I heard that.

3750
02:43:47,100 --> 02:43:47,166
Yeah.

3751
02:43:47,333 --> 02:43:50,166
Well, if the alternate shows an all three member shows, then it's a planning

3752
02:43:50,166 --> 02:43:50,767
board meeting.

3753
02:43:50,934 --> 02:43:53,333
Mm-hmm so one person couldn't, I.

3754
02:43:53,700 --> 02:43:56,667
Mean the alternate could step out or just, yeah, just not be part of

3755
02:43:56,667 --> 02:43:57,066
the board.

3756
02:43:57,100 --> 02:43:58,133
I, I just worry about that.

3757
02:43:58,166 --> 02:44:01,033
Cuz then it's a planning, you know, like then the, then you have a

3758
02:44:01,033 --> 02:44:01,734
quorum that you.

3759
02:44:02,100 --> 02:44:06,000
Know you can, so it is just, you just avoid subcommittees having a quorum

3760
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:06,867
of the main board.

3761
02:44:07,000 --> 02:44:07,734
I think we can consult.

3762
02:44:07,834 --> 02:44:08,734
I think that can be solved for.

3763
02:44:10,300 --> 02:44:12,667
I think it'd be worthwhile getting M POC.

3764
02:44:13,533 --> 02:44:15,433
Having a little more regularity in that meeting if the

3765
02:44:16,100 --> 02:44:18,333
bill having, having more regularity in that meeting, if an alternate.

3766
02:44:18,367 --> 02:44:18,734
Yeah.

3767
02:44:18,734 --> 02:44:21,367
I mean, they, in all fairness, they, they, they met regularly.

3768
02:44:21,900 --> 02:44:24,000
For a very long time and you know, and it, oh yes.

3769
02:44:24,266 --> 02:44:27,433
You know, so, and sometimes so I, I don't think, I think it's fairly

3770
02:44:27,667 --> 02:44:29,867
new that, you know, and it was the.

3771
02:44:30,100 --> 02:44:30,100
Summer.

3772
02:44:30,433 --> 02:44:30,767
Yeah.

3773
02:44:30,767 --> 02:44:32,567
And it's been the summer and, and so forth.

3774
02:44:32,700 --> 02:44:36,066
And there hasn't been a lot of business, you know, with, with them.

3775
02:44:36,100 --> 02:44:37,900
So, and also just thinking ahead too, to like,

3776
02:44:38,467 --> 02:44:40,834
future master plans and just making sure that that committee can work as well

3777
02:44:40,834 --> 02:44:41,100
as it can.

3778
02:44:41,333 --> 02:44:44,567
Well, future master plans is a different, different, whole different issue.

3779
02:44:44,634 --> 02:44:46,133
That's a master plan steering committee.

3780
02:44:46,867 --> 02:44:48,133
That's not the master plan oversight committee.

3781
02:44:48,133 --> 02:44:49,100
Oh, I know, but I'm saying that's okay.

3782
02:44:49,100 --> 02:44:51,500
Presuming the master plan oversight committee continues in the future.

3783
02:44:51,700 --> 02:44:54,333
If that's structured in a way to give it success by having.

3784
02:44:55,066 --> 02:44:55,567
Appropriate.

3785
02:44:57,333 --> 02:44:59,066
People on it, appropriate number of people on it.

3786
02:45:00,333 --> 02:45:00,667
Yeah.

3787
02:45:00,767 --> 02:45:03,333
I mean, I, I, you know, I mean, I'm not trying to, you know

3788
02:45:03,567 --> 02:45:06,433
argue like, but I think we've been very successful at the master plan.

3789
02:45:06,433 --> 02:45:08,000
The 2018 master plan was great.

3790
02:45:08,166 --> 02:45:11,567
We we're actually doing it again because we've either completed or.

3791
02:45:12,367 --> 02:45:14,900
Working on every, every task in there.

3792
02:45:15,033 --> 02:45:16,567
I don't know what other town ever did that.

3793
02:45:16,734 --> 02:45:19,734
So I, well, I, you know, I agree where you go and I, you

3794
02:45:19,734 --> 02:45:20,033
know yeah.

3795
02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:20,266
But.

3796
02:45:20,767 --> 02:45:24,000
Said, I, I think that was very successful, so, and we will continue to

3797
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:25,266
be, yeah, we can talk about that next one.

3798
02:45:25,266 --> 02:45:25,533
Yeah.

3799
02:45:26,467 --> 02:45:27,767
Can I ask for a question though?

3800
02:45:28,033 --> 02:45:29,033
I just, now I'm confused.

3801
02:45:29,033 --> 02:45:30,500
Are we looking to add.

3802
02:45:31,266 --> 02:45:33,000
An alternate that we already have.

3803
02:45:34,100 --> 02:45:35,900
No that they, they ask.

3804
02:45:35,900 --> 02:45:41,066
And I gotta look into this cause I don't recommend subcommittees having quorums of

3805
02:45:41,066 --> 02:45:41,300
boards.

3806
02:45:41,300 --> 02:45:41,867
That's just.

3807
02:45:42,100 --> 02:45:45,433
No, I get it just so I'm trying to understand where the extra alternate

3808
02:45:45,467 --> 02:45:49,100
or the alternate he was asking alternate to the M P C.

3809
02:45:49,900 --> 02:45:54,367
So a three member, M POC, still three members, but an alternate to fill

3810
02:45:54,367 --> 02:45:57,767
in when a regular, one of the three regular members can't attend.

3811
02:45:58,100 --> 02:45:59,000
I got that part.

3812
02:45:59,066 --> 02:46:01,033
I just didn't know where the alternate was coming from.

3813
02:46:01,233 --> 02:46:03,133
So it's separately planning, planning, I would imagine.

3814
02:46:03,533 --> 02:46:05,300
Well, that's what I'm trying to clarify it.

3815
02:46:05,300 --> 02:46:06,033
Would've to Sam.

3816
02:46:06,667 --> 02:46:11,066
Could sorry, Sam, I'm not volunteering you, but I'm using you as a example

3817
02:46:12,033 --> 02:46:14,500
If Sam wanted to fill that, it would be somebody.

3818
02:46:15,433 --> 02:46:16,734
Already on the planning board.

3819
02:46:16,734 --> 02:46:17,500
Oh yes.

3820
02:46:17,667 --> 02:46:19,166
I forgot to say that's a great point.

3821
02:46:19,233 --> 02:46:19,567
Okay.

3822
02:46:19,634 --> 02:46:22,266
But I was just going, I do my report, the next slide board meeting

3823
02:46:22,266 --> 02:46:22,900
and committees.

3824
02:46:22,900 --> 02:46:23,500
Don't wanna get it.

3825
02:46:23,834 --> 02:46:27,000
Straight the subcommittees are of the, from the board.

3826
02:46:27,000 --> 02:46:29,100
Yeah, I here, I just wanna make sure we're all on the same table

3827
02:46:29,133 --> 02:46:29,500
Yeah.

3828
02:46:29,500 --> 02:46:31,767
You can't get a outside resident to.

3829
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:32,300
Act as an all.

3830
02:46:32,333 --> 02:46:32,867
Thank you.

3831
02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:35,634
But if you have to be, that's not what you were saying, but if

3832
02:46:35,634 --> 02:46:38,500
you, no, I went to three people intendance just wanna make sure.

3833
02:46:38,734 --> 02:46:40,066
And let's assume I'm the.

3834
02:46:40,300 --> 02:46:40,433
Alternate.

3835
02:46:41,100 --> 02:46:43,300
So Aaron calls me one month and says,

3836
02:46:44,166 --> 02:46:45,000
gee, I've got an appointment.

3837
02:46:45,100 --> 02:46:45,533
Can you.

3838
02:46:46,433 --> 02:46:46,900
Be the alternate.

3839
02:46:47,166 --> 02:46:48,533
Can you fill in for me?

3840
02:46:48,667 --> 02:46:49,033
Yeah.

3841
02:46:50,000 --> 02:46:52,100
The first thing I'm gonna say is, okay guys, what'd I miss.

3842
02:46:53,300 --> 02:46:53,667
Right.

3843
02:46:53,767 --> 02:46:55,533
I mean, why effective is that?

3844
02:46:56,300 --> 02:46:56,767
Because I can't,

3845
02:46:58,000 --> 02:46:58,667
I won't be up to speed.

3846
02:46:58,667 --> 02:46:59,300
No continuity.

3847
02:46:59,300 --> 02:47:00,166
Yes, no continuity.

3848
02:47:00,533 --> 02:47:01,667
They're not televised.

3849
02:47:02,433 --> 02:47:03,100
They're not recorded.

3850
02:47:03,166 --> 02:47:04,000
No. Okay.

3851
02:47:05,000 --> 02:47:05,166
So only meeting

3852
02:47:06,033 --> 02:47:08,033
medicine's so big that you can't you're right.

3853
02:47:08,533 --> 02:47:09,433
Well, you know what?

3854
02:47:09,433 --> 02:47:09,900
We've got.

3855
02:47:10,900 --> 02:47:13,000
Until the next meeting to figure out the logistics.

3856
02:47:13,100 --> 02:47:13,433
Okay.

3857
02:47:13,433 --> 02:47:14,900
Yeah, that's put it on.

3858
02:47:15,100 --> 02:47:16,100
We'll put it on the agenda.

3859
02:47:16,767 --> 02:47:18,166
We'll we'll have a discussion about it.

3860
02:47:19,100 --> 02:47:19,100
Okay.

3861
02:47:19,166 --> 02:47:21,900
If there's, and I'll research it a little bit this way, just to see

3862
02:47:22,300 --> 02:47:24,667
Yes, but that's a really good point, Sam.

3863
02:47:26,767 --> 02:47:29,667
But we'll figure out how to, how to make that work out better.

3864
02:47:30,667 --> 02:47:30,667
Okay.

3865
02:47:31,900 --> 02:47:32,000
Okay.

3866
02:47:32,100 --> 02:47:33,433
Any field modifications?

3867
02:47:34,900 --> 02:47:36,433
None requested none requested.

3868
02:47:37,900 --> 02:47:40,533
No bond letter, letter, significant reductions of releases.

3869
02:47:41,166 --> 02:47:42,033
None requested.

3870
02:47:42,166 --> 02:47:42,533
Okay.

3871
02:47:44,100 --> 02:47:45,533
I'm looking for a motion to.

3872
02:47:47,100 --> 02:47:50,166
Ajour oh, I, one thing I wanted to make it a correction to the

3873
02:47:50,166 --> 02:47:50,300
minutes.

3874
02:47:50,300 --> 02:47:52,433
Cause we didn't discuss the minutes from the seven, nine meeting.

3875
02:47:53,300 --> 02:47:54,433
When that's what I was just gonna bring up.

3876
02:47:54,533 --> 02:47:55,433
We're not tonight.

3877
02:47:55,433 --> 02:47:56,166
It's not, no, it's not.

3878
02:47:56,433 --> 02:47:58,100
It's it's not up for discussion tonight.

3879
02:47:58,100 --> 02:48:01,300
We're we're it's gonna be, you're gonna get 'em in your packet and.

3880
02:48:01,667 --> 02:48:02,667
You'll discuss 'em on the 10th.

3881
02:48:02,767 --> 02:48:03,100
Oh, okay.

3882
02:48:03,300 --> 02:48:03,667
Yeah.

3883
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:04,900
I have some too.

3884
02:48:04,900 --> 02:48:08,166
And I think Marty did so, but there are two there's this July 9th.

3885
02:48:09,000 --> 02:48:11,166
And the sidewalk, the June 14th sidewalk.

3886
02:48:11,533 --> 02:48:11,900
Yeah.

3887
02:48:11,900 --> 02:48:13,667
There's two sets of minutes that didn't get on the agenda.

3888
02:48:13,767 --> 02:48:14,433
We didn't post it.

3889
02:48:14,433 --> 02:48:16,100
So we're just, we're putting it on September 10th.

3890
02:48:16,100 --> 02:48:16,533
Got it.

3891
02:48:16,533 --> 02:48:17,033
Thank you.

3892
02:48:18,100 --> 02:48:18,433
Okay.

3893
02:48:19,767 --> 02:48:20,900
Motion to adjourn.

3894
02:48:21,000 --> 02:48:21,300
All right.

3895
02:48:22,100 --> 02:48:22,166
Good second.

3896
02:48:22,767 --> 02:48:25,300
Thank you very much for coming this evening, everybody.

3897
02:48:25,300 --> 02:48:26,100
We stand adjourn.

3898
02:48:26,100 --> 02:48:27,533
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3899
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