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[13:45] Good evening, everyone.
[13:47] And welcome to the extra planning board meeting of Thursday.
[13:50] August 27th, 26th.
[13:52] At 6:30 PM for a few minutes late.
[13:56] Apologize for that.
[13:57] I won't have candy and popcorn next time.
[14:01] In the Noack room and town office building located at 10 front street, actually
[14:05] New Hampshire.
[14:06] To consider the following.
[14:07] Before we do that, though, we will introduce the board and I have each
[14:11] board member.
[14:12] Introduced himself.
[14:13] So I'm lying plumber.
[14:15] And I'm chair of the extra board into my left.
[14:18] Gwen English, regular member.
[14:20] Nancy Valant luck for representative.
[14:23] Sam McLeod alternate.
[14:25] And Jen Martel,
[14:27] Marty Kennedy.
[14:28] Ryan Kelly alternate.
[14:30] Okay now let's see.
[14:33] We supposed to have John on.
[14:35] Screen this evening and
[14:38] Alan.
[14:42] So let's see what's happening here.
[14:45] Well, you can check the participants.
[14:49] Elaine might not be, cuz she.
[14:51] Just left.
[14:51] Yeah, that's true.
[14:53] So,
[14:54] no one's online right now.
[14:55] Okay.
[14:56] All right.
[14:57] So
[15:00] we're having our second, we're starting this evening's meeting.
[15:03] With the second public hearing public hearing.
[15:06] On the 27th, 23 capital improvement program.
[15:09] C I P
[15:10] projects as presented by the town departments.
[15:13] Copies of the proposed documents will be available in the planning department office.
[15:17] Prior to the meeting.
[15:20] And we, so this is the second.
[15:23] Hearing for the capital improvement plan.
[15:26] We haven't read it.
[15:27] It'll put your sleep quickly, but it's very interesting material.
[15:32] In that it projects capital improvements over the next.
[15:35] Five years.
[15:37] And that happens every year.
[15:38] So we always.
[15:40] Move ahead.
[15:41] To try to help balance expenditures.
[15:44] And allow it really is the beginning of the, of the bed, meaning pro
[15:47] making process.
[15:48] Each year.
[15:49] So August is that beginning month and Exeter.
[15:52] So Dave, do you.
[15:55] Want to
[15:57] sure.
[15:57] Thank you.
[15:59] Yes.At the last meeting you had all the department heads.
[16:01] Yes.
[16:01] Present all their proposals and you have the draft capital improvement program.
[16:07] Mm-hmm in front of you.
[16:09] And you had a chance to ask questions, the department heads and so forth
[16:14] Tonight's meeting is for an opportunity.
[16:17] For the public to weigh in on any of that, historically you've had, you
[16:20] know, the two meetings you have the department head meetings where they present everything
[16:24] and then you hold the public hearing.
[16:25] At the subsequent meeting or this meeting tonight.
[16:31] And tonight is to hear from the public.
[16:34] And then if you so choose, take action on.
[16:38] The capital improvement program, because you are the board that adopts it.
[16:41] Mm-hmm you do not fund it.
[16:43] You, that is for others to fund.
[16:45] Yeah, you're just saying.
[16:46] Okay, this is what we believe the capital improvement program for the next six
[16:49] years should, should be.
[16:52] And you usually write a transmittal letter.
[16:54] And that's usually the chair, but if you, I, I always recommend if you
[16:57] have an op, if you want to highlight something in the plan, if you
[17:00] have something specific that you, you know, if you feel.
[17:02] Is a priority or multiple priorities.
[17:04] This is your chance tonight.
[17:07] To add that to the transmittal letter, because when once adopted.
[17:11] We send it off to the budget review committee that reviews it and the
[17:13] select board.
[17:15] And, and then ultimately the voters and that's who decides what, you know, the
[17:19] funding on it.
[17:20] So.
[17:21] If you have anything to add to the transmittal letter, if not, we just
[17:24] do the, kind of the generic transmittal letter to say, you know, on, on
[17:27] this meeting, we reviewed it.
[17:28] We agree with.
[17:30] You know, support the capital improvement plan as presented.
[17:34] That being the case.
[17:35] Are there any.
[17:37] Particular items.
[17:39] That has caught your attention,
[17:41] Gwen, one really quick question.
[17:44] In the minutes there was.
[17:46] A comment about the Clemson pond.
[17:49] Tide gates and Mr. Cronan was going.
[17:52] To maybe update us on.
[17:54] In the minutes.
[17:56] I don't know.
[17:58] You said noted, there will be an inspection tomorrow when he would have more
[18:01] information.
[18:02] I just wondered if there were any follow ups to that.
[18:05] I don't know, it's not a big deal.
[18:08] We don't have that information today.
[18:10] That's fine.
[18:10] So we can come back with it if needed.
[18:12] Yeah, that's fine.
[18:13] Okay.
[18:13] I just was curious.
[18:21] Anybody else?
[18:38] Quiet crowd here, anybody from the public wish to.
[18:41] Question.
[18:41] If I had comments regarding this plan, sir.
[18:44] Please introduce yourself.
[18:45] So
[18:46] we know who's speaking and our viewers at home.
[18:51] Good evening,
[18:52] mark Furlong.
[18:53] 24th street.
[18:55] I wanted to make a couple comments about.
[18:58] The capital improvement program.
[18:59] First of all, it's, it's a lot of work that goes into that.
[19:02] I appreciate the work by.
[19:04] The department heads and town manager's office and other staff.
[19:08] I know it's required by state statute.
[19:11] Glad happy to see that exit.
[19:12] It takes it seriously.
[19:14] Not every town does that.
[19:16] And then the second thing is I, I was one person that spoke up
[19:20] after last election.
[19:22] At a select board meeting about.
[19:24] The rapid increase in property taxes.
[19:27] Taxes.And one thing I suggested was to.
[19:30] Pump the brakes a little bit on some items in the, in the C
[19:32] I P and I, I think there is some evidence of that and I
[19:35] I appreciate that.
[19:37] I wasn't here at your last meeting, but I did watch it.
[19:39] Mm-hmm and I did pick up a copy and I've reviewed it.
[19:43] And I think it's a, it's a good document.
[19:46] But the main reason I came tonight.
[19:48] Is for an item that's not in the C I P.
[19:52] And I didn't really expect it to be, I guess, this year.
[19:55] Some of you may be aware.
[19:57] That we've
[19:58] formed a
[20:00] community group, a neighborhood group in the.
[20:02] Park street, Oak street, neighborhood to advocate for the park street bridge.
[20:07] Where for the status and condition.
[20:10] And we're happy to see the, that.
[20:13] It is starting to get some attention.
[20:15] We've been doing a lot of research around the bridge.
[20:18] And one part of that research, I found that.
[20:21] The
[20:22] replacement of the park street bridge appeared in the.
[20:26] 2007.
[20:29] 10 year, New Hampshire, D O T.
[20:31] T highway improvement.
[20:34] Plan
[20:35] and it appeared in the next four cycles.
[20:38] Cycles and my question, and I'm not sure.
[20:41] This probably predates just about everybody that's involved at this point,
[20:45] but I.
[20:46] I'm wondering,
[20:47] it seemed like, would make sense that the bridge would've been put into the
[20:51] C I P.
[20:52] And once it was identified for potential funding.
[20:57] From
[20:58] D O T back in.
[21:00] From between 2007 and.
[21:02] I think it was 2015.
[21:04] So
[21:06] I may be incorrect, but I think the bridge belongs to the railroad.
[21:11] As the crossings are their responsibility.
[21:13] That that is up for debate at the moment.
[21:15] Okay.
[21:16] They are claiming ownership and that's being research.
[21:18] Researched by the town.
[21:19] Yeah.
[21:21] But
[21:22] there, there was an agreement for the town to take over the bridge back
[21:26] in the early two thousands, which was apparently never.
[21:29] Completed,
[21:30] but somewhere along the line, somebody got the idea that the state.
[21:34] Was gonna work with the town and replace it and put it in the
[21:37] 10 year plan.
[21:39] Then it, and then it disappeared.
[21:41] So,
[21:42] I don't know if anybody has any history about that.
[21:44] So,
[21:46] no.
[21:47] Okay.
[21:47] Thank you.
[21:49] Keep asking your questions.
[21:51] .
[21:52] And thank you for coming this evening.
[21:57] Anybody else?
[22:00] All right.
[22:00] Well,
[22:03] I think perhaps we're ready to.
[22:06] Accept and forward the plan.
[22:10] So now
[22:11] we need a motion for that.
[22:12] Yeah, you can move to adopt the 20, 27 to 2032 capital improvement program.
[22:19] As presented or with the following revisions, however, you'd like, yep.
[22:27] Well, let's see.
[22:27] Now I got a point some alternates here.
[22:31] Sammy you're acting and
[22:32] you're acting around it.
[22:34] Afternoon, you're acting as well.
[22:35] Brian.
[22:36] So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7.
[22:38] You've got seven.
[22:39] So everyone's acting magic seven.
[22:41] Okay.
[22:45] So Sam, you look like you're ready to make a motion.
[22:47] yes, sir.
[22:48] I was just.
[22:51] Mr chairman, I'd like to make a motion.
[22:54] That we approve the
[22:56] C I P for 2027 through 2032.
[23:00] As presented to the planning board.
[23:04] Thank you.
[23:05] Is there a second?
[23:07] Not all one second.
[23:08] Okay.
[23:09] .
[23:11] Any discussion on that?
[23:16] We need a hand vote or voice vote or.
[23:18] Let's do a hand, vote those in favor, please raise your right hand.
[23:22] Hold supposed
[23:24] abstentions.
[23:25] That would be me as select board member.
[23:27] I have to vote on this later on down the way, so, okay.
[23:30] Can't you can't stack your deck.
[23:31] Okay, good.
[23:32] Thank you.
[23:32] Thank.
[23:32] You
[23:33] so be it.
[23:35] And thank you again as.
[23:37] You have banked all the department heads.
[23:40] The time and effort and the, and they're good folks.
[23:43] To put this together.
[23:44] So.
[23:45] That's good.
[23:45] Thanks.
[23:46] All right.
[23:50] Hey, we're adjourned until seven.
[23:52] Yeah, that's right.
[23:53] We can't.
[23:54] We got another 10 minutes to talk to each other, get a cup of
[23:56] water.
[23:57] .
[23:59] Oh, good.
[23:59] I can get organized.
[24:01] Okay.
[24:02] Okay now.
[24:04] I just realized
[24:06] the eye grabbed.
[24:08] I don't think I've ever been this close to the chair.
[24:10] Oh, ,
[24:12] that's why I'm feeling so warmed.
[24:13] I'm getting a little nervous.
[24:15] You get too close.
[24:16] You're gonna.
[24:16] Get elected.
[24:19] You may be looking for a new cook.
[24:20] Yes,
[24:21] it's not.
[24:22] Let's not get me ideas.
[24:24] How long?
[24:25] Oh, dear.
[24:27] I'm glad I didn't.
[24:34] You're gonna wait.
[24:39] I can see you got it or not.
[24:41] You
[24:42] there's problem.
[24:43] Since I can really use it.
[24:48] Okay.
[24:49] How was the family?
[24:51] You're good.
[24:51] I emailed, I emailed him a minute.
[24:54] Not yet.
[24:56] Not yet start Monday and Wednesday.
[24:57] Okay.
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[35:05] six and 22.
[35:07] Oh.
[35:09] We have minutes to approve and I'm not sure.
[35:12] How does the board feel about it?
[35:14] Have we got enough people here to.
[35:16] That were here for the meeting to.
[35:18] August 13th, 20, 26.
[35:22] I was not here.
[35:24] Oh, okay.
[35:26] Oh, Marty was, and
[35:27] I was, I was.
[35:29] You were, yeah, you he's gonna, yes, you were.
[35:35] I didn't see, I didn't find anything.
[35:37] Did you mark?
[35:38] I, I have one.
[35:38] No, I I'm just one.
[35:39] I have one too here.
[35:40] Marty's here.
[35:41] Martin's got one.
[35:43] Marty has one, just one.
[35:44] Oh.
[35:46] So Marty
[35:48] line.
[35:49] 1 42, right at the, at the end of the sentence.
[35:52] Sorry.
[35:54] Says, we try to keep the, it should say high it's missing an H
[35:59] Hi volume that a aye.
[36:00] Yeah.
[36:01] Good catch.
[36:01] That's it.
[36:04] Yay.
[36:07] Oh, that's a biggie, Daniel.
[36:11] Any others?
[36:11] No, I don't have any,
[36:13] I've got one Lincoln.
[36:14] Okay.
[36:15] In line.
[36:17] 2 28, 2 28 or 2 29, 2 29.
[36:20] Sorry.
[36:22] Wait a minute.
[36:23] I don't.
[36:24] I just water.
[36:25] Nope.
[36:26] Two
[36:27] 20 August 13th leading max.
[36:29] Yes,
[36:30] there's no nine.
[36:32] It only goes to 2228.
[36:33] The last line.
[36:35] Huh I'm seeing in the oh.
[36:38] Oh, I'm sorry.
[36:38] That's the third.
[36:40] I was looking at the mid, we didn't review the minutes from the seven
[36:43] seven,
[36:45] so we just have to do that one still.
[36:46] So that's right.
[36:47] Okay.
[36:48] Save that one.
[36:48] Okay.
[36:49] yeah.
[36:51] Okay.
[36:52] I need a motion, please.
[36:54] I move to accept the.
[36:56] Draft the meeting minutes from August 13th, 2026 as amended.
[37:01] Thank you.
[37:02] Move the seconded.
[37:03] Tell us in a favor, please indicate saying aye.
[37:05] Aye.
[37:05] Aye.
[37:06] Opposed abstentions abstain.
[37:08] One abstention.
[37:09] Okay.
[37:13] All righty now let's see.
[37:18] Continuation of public hearing for the application of.
[37:22] Jake Hasley associates for the site plan review.
[37:25] Of the proposed demolition of existing dry cleaning building.
[37:28] And proposed development of a four-story building 22.
[37:32] Room hotel.
[37:34] No, no. That's
[37:36] that's outta sync with the new proposal.
[37:39] Consists of 12 unit residential building with commercial uses on the first floor.
[37:43] It's back to the original one.
[37:45] Yes.
[37:45] Okay.
[37:45] I'm just reading what's here.
[37:47] I understand that.
[37:47] Okay.
[37:49] So, and that's pine board.
[37:52] Well, let's see projects in the C2 highway commercial zoning district.
[37:56] Excuse me
[37:57] and identified as tax map.
[38:00] 65 dash 1 25.
[38:02] And is planning our favorite buying board case number 26 dash three.
[38:07] Do you have anything to start us off, Dave?
[38:09] Because you said you were gonna do some more.
[38:11] Reviewing.
[38:12] Yes, I am good that this was reviewed by the planning board
[38:17] for a while and like, well, similar proposal.
[38:20] Under a month, but then mixed use the state law zoning changes.
[38:23] And now they're coming in not under a month.
[38:25] So those provisions, most of those provisions.
[38:28] No. Well, they, the MUN provisions do not apply. Mm-hmm
[38:31] they are going under the zoning under a mixed use.
[38:33] So they're back.
[38:34] So it's this.
[38:35] Similar proposal, they did they'll address it, but they did,
[38:39] you know,
[38:40] make some revisions.
[38:42] In response to the eight, 13 planning board.
[38:46] And I'll let them
[38:49] describe what those changes are.
[38:51] I did, you know, in the event the board gets there.
[38:53] I do have suggested conditions of approval.
[38:55] Should the board decide to take action in that way?
[38:58] This evening?
[38:59] Okay, thank you.
[39:00] Okay.
[39:01] Great good evening.
[39:05] So we're back after a couple of months
[39:07] to accommodate the summer schedule.
[39:10] And the time
[39:12] we amended our application.
[39:15] Based on
[39:16] feedback from the board and also from.
[39:19] A couple of the abutters that have been.
[39:21] Here throughout this entire process.
[39:24] In that time, there was a.
[39:26] Change in the state law regarding how.
[39:29] Commercial zones interacts with residential uses.
[39:33] Uses and I believe we've now,
[39:36] we're now.
[39:37] Proposing the least intrusive use possible.
[39:40] On this property while complying with.
[39:43] The underlying CT zone.
[39:45] All that Christian go through.
[39:48] The specifics
[39:48] not much has changed on the plan set mm-hmm that you saw last
[39:52] time.
[39:53] We had spoken in theory about.
[39:57] Modifying an
[39:59] aisle in the back a mulch bed, we were calling it.
[40:02] We had at the last hearing, talked about not doing that.
[40:05] This plan shows that the amended plan shows that so.
[40:08] That's the only substantive change on the exterior, really.
[40:11] And again, electrician go through that.
[40:13] Before I do.
[40:15] I have a letter here from.
[40:18] Chris Hilton at, from DTC on behalf of Ariel.
[40:23] The margaritas lot owners.
[40:25] It was emailed to me and also to the planning department at five 13
[40:29] today.
[40:31] To paraphrase and I'll, I'll read it into the record if that's okay.
[40:34] Sure.
[40:34] But to paraphrase
[40:35] essentially.
[40:37] The folks over our
[40:39] yep.
[40:40] The folks at R E L have withdrawn.
[40:43] All of their objections to this application.
[40:46] And they also now are voicing
[40:48] support for the application.
[40:50] So
[40:51] I think that's good news for the applicant and the city.
[40:55] If I could read this into the record, I think that might be the
[40:57] quickest way to please do it, do this.
[40:58] And again, it is in metal.
[41:00] Save my birth in, in Dawn's email.
[41:02] okay.
[41:03] So dear chair plumber, as you'll recall, this office represents
[41:07] WJP development, LLC, which serves as manager of 75 Portsmouth Ave.
[41:11] Exter in New Hampshire on behalf of its ownership team throughout the deliberations on this
[41:15] application and a prior similar application, this office on behalf of the owners of
[41:20] 75 Portsmouth Ave expressed certain concerns relative to the application.
[41:24] Of course, the application has changed over time, including principally the parking demands of
[41:28] The proposed development, my clients understand the parking will be confined to the subject
[41:32] property under the current iteration of the application and supporting plans.
[41:36] Plans against that backdrop.
[41:36] My client's respectfully submit this letter to inform the board that their concerns regarding
[41:40] the proposed development have been reasonably met by the applicant.
[41:44] And as such their various objections are respectfully withdrawn.
[41:47] In light of the amendments to the application and the proposed uses and configurations
[41:50] reflected in the plan set with the latest revision date of August 8th, 2026.
[41:55] My.
[41:55] Client's cast their support of the relief sought in this application.
[41:59] As always, if you have any questions or concerns regarding the foregoing, please feel
[42:02] free to contact me at our Exeter office.
[42:06] Very truly yours, Christopher.Hi.
[42:07] Hilson.
[42:08] So
[42:09] with that.I'll let Christian
[42:10] talk through the plan.
[42:12] Okay.
[42:13] Traffic good evening, Mr. Chairman members of the board
[42:16] for the record.
[42:17] My name is Kristen Smith engineer with Beals associates.
[42:20] Associates representing the applicant on this project.
[42:23] And
[42:23] Josh is, is quite correct.
[42:25] There was very little change to the exterior.
[42:29] Aside from making all the plans.
[42:31] Plans depict the correct.
[42:34] And non disturbing.
[42:36] Back travel ways
[42:38] to that.
[42:39] Landscape island,
[42:40] which is largely.
[42:42] On the, on the Needham bank property.
[42:46] We have gone through this revision with the,
[42:49] the fire inspector.
[42:51] He is, he is very happy with it.
[42:53] What this change in use we feel does is addresses the issues that were
[42:58] brought up.
[42:59] By some of the abutters
[43:01] specific to the transient nature of hotel use.
[43:04] The intention at this time is for these apartments to be sold.
[43:10] And in that you will have.
[43:13] Residents very similar to residents at the Manor.
[43:16] The bottom floor will have two.
[43:19] Different roughly 1200 square foot.
[43:23] Commercial spaces.
[43:25] We do not know who those users are gonna be.
[43:27] Who's going to occupy those commercial spaces, but.
[43:30] Very likely, you know, it will be office or retail or something along those
[43:34] lines.
[43:35] We, we did our parking calculations.
[43:38] Based on professional office and a retail.
[43:42] For roughly half of each
[43:44] and.
[43:46] We still now another point that I wanted to add.
[43:49] Is,
[43:50] I don't believe this the new state law requires you to have.
[43:55] Visitor spaces, quote unquote, but we accounted for those in our parking calculations simply
[43:59] because the exit ordinance discusses that.
[44:02] And does require that.
[44:03] And even with that and the commercial space.
[44:06] We now have a surplus of three spaces, which.
[44:10] Would not be needed to be used per se.
[44:13] So I think we've, we've gone a step in.
[44:16] Curing everybody's concern that this proposal would.
[44:20] Eliminate their ability to use the cross easement that goes over all four of
[44:23] these properties as well.
[44:26] And just to, just to remind folks.
[44:30] If we get that far tonight, which we're certainly hopeful, we do.
[44:34] There is still a, a Shoreland protection conditional use permit that is required for
[44:38] this.
[44:39] Months ago you did receive correspondence from the conservation commission and they're in favor
[44:45] of the project.
[44:47] Very little else has changed with regard to the site plans.
[44:52] We still propose the pervious walkways.
[44:54] We still propose the per.
[44:55] Pervious pavement in the back stalls, which we assume will be probably the lightest
[45:00] used.
[45:02] And everything else.
[45:04] Pretty much remains as it was in the former proposal.
[45:08] This amendment just changes that from a, a micro hotel.
[45:13] To 12 residential units and two commercial spaces on the first floor.
[45:17] With that I'll entertain any comments or questions from the board?
[45:21] You spoke about selling those eventually we sold.
[45:24] And does that mean you're gonna end up with a condominium?
[45:27] Association.
[45:28] Very likely.
[45:29] Yes.
[45:29] So.
[45:32] And are they going to end up owning the whole building?
[45:34] And being the well, if it, if it's sells out, that would be per
[45:38] be my presumption.
[45:38] Oh, they, or they would become members of that cor yeah, they, they would
[45:41] all be.
[45:42] Part of the association.
[45:43] Yep.
[45:45] Questions.
[45:46] Thank you for the changes.
[45:48] Changes looks.We finally came to an answer.
[45:49] It took a little while to get there, but .
[45:53] Yes.
[45:54] Question question in your face.
[45:55] A lot of questions, but I just
[45:57] in the, on the back back part of the lot.
[46:01] I can't remember.
[46:02] Was there, was there ever any issue about.
[46:05] Putting you've got that area designated as a snow storage.
[46:10] Where it's not allowed on the forest pavement, but is there an issue with
[46:14] snow being pushed beyond that?
[46:16] Because it that's, the slope goes down well, there's, there's vegetation.
[46:20] That's gonna, that, that is planted.
[46:22] That can't be cut.
[46:23] That is actually on the town.
[46:25] Side of that
[46:25] property line.
[46:26] Okay.
[46:26] Alright.
[46:27] And so the thought process being
[46:30] it's, it's not gonna go there and if, if, I mean, that's not.
[46:33] Gonna hold a great deal of snow Gwen.
[46:34] And as you know, we've spoken about this before.
[46:37] In the event that it starts backing into the stalls.
[46:42] Stalls they've gotta come in, scoop it and truck it up.
[46:44] So at this point, really the only snow storage you have is right up
[46:48] in the back of the building.
[46:49] And up, up front, front, front by the yes, by the road.
[46:52] Which,
[46:53] and I, a little, yeah, because at the board's request we did remove.
[46:57] Those notes between us and the Manor property.
[47:00] Okay.
[47:01] I'm a little concerned about how the plantings are gonna do.
[47:06] On the road.
[47:08] Snow storage side, but
[47:12] well, our landscape architect told us that those are they're gonna be, I don't
[47:16] know about salt tolerant, but salt resistant.
[47:18] Okay.
[47:19] Planting.
[47:19] So flour resistant.
[47:20] Well, right.
[47:21] If they, if they shove their plow across the grass, that
[47:24] could be a problem.
[47:26] Okay.
[47:30] May I just G go ahead.
[47:31] Just remember we, we do have that condition that yeah.
[47:33] Any dead or dying vegetation shall be.
[47:35] Yeah.
[47:35] Please replaced the next growing.
[47:37] Season.
[47:37] So yeah.
[47:38] You know, we do have that as a backup, if it, yeah.
[47:41] Got it.
[47:45] So
[47:47] all right.
[47:48] I, I I'm a little.
[47:50] Concerned about the traffic pattern in the parking area, in back of the building
[47:56] So people
[47:58] unless, unless I've on one plan, it looks like.
[48:02] The middle section of that parking area has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
[48:06] Spots mm-hmm but on another it looks like it only has four.
[48:09] So do you see a circular.
[48:12] Pat a circular driving pattern in that parking lot.
[48:15] Are people gonna go in.
[48:18] Back out.
[48:18] No, I think they would go in back into the aisle, that front aisle
[48:21] between the first set of stalls and the middle stalls.
[48:25] Stalls is if I'm not mistaken, 35 feet.
[48:28] So there's plenty of room for vehicles to back out.
[48:30] Okay.
[48:30] And turn around in that location.
[48:36] Okay.
[48:39] No ADA parking in the front.
[48:41] It's all in the back.
[48:42] Just those two currently.
[48:43] Yes.
[48:43] That's how currently that's closed.
[48:44] Tell you, you have it.
[48:46] I guess you, I guess.
[48:50] Hmm.
[48:51] And we went through that in one of the prior iterations.
[48:53] It might have even been the M U N D,
[48:56] but that existing parking lot up front is.
[48:59] Actually too steep to propose.
[49:00] I, I remember that spell ADA stalls.
[49:02] It's hotel.
[49:04] Yeah, I remember that.
[49:05] I just.
[49:07] Just seems if you're gonna have a.
[49:09] Commercial, some kind of commercial enterprise office space, whatever downstairs.
[49:14] Downstairs.
[49:16] It just seems like the front of the building is gonna be the.
[49:20] The most
[49:22] used parking space, but.
[49:25] You have ADA parking in the back.
[49:27] So I guess that's all right.
[49:29] Mm-hmm .
[49:33] Where do you?
[49:34] You've got the, the mailboxes are in the back inside, but in the back
[49:38] down.
[49:39] Downstairs of the door.
[49:39] There will be a kiosk just inside that door.
[49:41] I believe on the left.
[49:42] When you're walking.
[49:44] So I know previously
[49:47] we talked about a loading spot.
[49:50] Are you presuming that there's always gonna be a place for the male person
[49:54] I presume they'll drive just all.
[49:55] We have three extra stalls.
[49:57] Stalls if based on the town's ordinances, every single space.
[50:02] Designated for use would be in use.
[50:04] We have three extra stalls.
[50:06] And in addition to that,
[50:08] hopefully this works.
[50:11] There we go.
[50:13] With the reorganization of this, there's a lot of.
[50:16] Dead pavement right there.
[50:17] Mm-hmm .
[50:18] Definitely a male truck had come in there.
[50:21] Parked right next to that
[50:23] handicap space.
[50:24] Handicapped space and get into that side of the building, do an access, the
[50:27] kiosk.
[50:28] Kiosk.
[50:29] Okay.
[50:32] Hmm.
[50:36] And you don't
[50:37] don't you already said you don't know.
[50:39] Yet where,
[50:40] what is going in the commercial spaces?
[50:43] So correct.
[50:44] Okay.
[50:46] Do you have EV conduits?
[50:48] Yes.
[50:49] Yes.
[50:49] EV conduits are in the back as well in the back as well.
[50:53] And then I know Jen brought up bike storage.
[50:57] Has that
[50:58] have you
[51:00] we didn't specifically.
[51:02] Designate any, but my assumption is.
[51:05] They would likely put
[51:08] for the summer months, just a.
[51:10] Movable bike rack on that grass area left of the, well, I guess it
[51:15] would be south of the walkway into that building.
[51:20] Mm-hmm
[51:23] Hmm.
[51:24] All right.
[51:24] And then it could just be moved into storage for the winter months.
[51:32] Shift point to work.
[51:33] Can you point to me where that.
[51:35] Is
[51:36] just the location of that.
[51:37] Yeah.
[51:37] The bike belt.
[51:38] Yep.
[51:39] So here is the walkway into the building Uhhuh and this grass strip
[51:43] right here.
[51:44] Got it.
[51:44] Thank you.
[51:45] Mm-hmm .
[51:50] Mm-hmm
[51:54] I'm gonna stop for now.
[51:56] Okay.
[51:57] Someone else has questions.
[51:59] Questions.
[51:59] I have probably a couple questions.
[52:02] Let's see are the, the residential units.
[52:04] They.
[52:05] Single bedroom, two bedroom,
[52:08] two, two bedroom.
[52:13] The
[52:15] the parking up front.
[52:17] The those spaces, Todd, to tell there, this space.
[52:20] These end spaces here.
[52:23] What is the distance between the setbacks so that a vehicle can back out
[52:27] and turn and head back out in that direction.
[52:30] How close is that space to the, to leave.
[52:32] Those are 24 feet.
[52:33] Marty.
[52:33] Let me.
[52:34] No, no, no. The, what I'm looking for is the, the distance.
[52:39] Is your PA end of the parking space.
[52:42] And appear is the end of the parking little offset space.
[52:45] Yeah, it's approximately five feet.
[52:47] Okay.
[52:50] Is that
[52:51] on the
[52:54] I think this is the old.
[52:56] Planting plan
[52:57] cuz the circulation that that is correct.
[52:59] We, we are still waiting for the current one, but.
[53:02] Realistically, I believe the only thing
[53:05] materially that's gonna change.
[53:07] Is there was in the former iteration.
[53:10] A little island right there, but that was where the.
[53:13] Landscape.
[53:14] I was being
[53:15] effective and in talking to Lee's.
[53:18] Lee's essentially these plantings that were going.
[53:21] In that little island.
[53:24] Will just be relocated to this new island, which is, which is gonna be
[53:29] Our side of what's left of, of that landscape.
[53:33] Okay.I, I, everything else was gonna remain the same.
[53:35] The concern I have with the, the, the previous plan.
[53:39] Had
[53:40] trees out here in this area.
[53:42] At the end of those Isles.
[53:43] Yep.
[53:44] And again, I'm just, you know, I'm concerned that this vehicle's in lost space
[53:48] we'll be able to back out.
[53:51] Back into that area without
[53:53] hitting the tree.
[53:54] Without hitting a snow bank, whatever's gonna be there.
[53:56] It's it's just very tight.
[54:01] But it is the standard,
[54:03] the standard.
[54:05] Aisle width.
[54:05] So it's a.
[54:07] But so the setbacks, at least five feet,
[54:09] as you're saying
[54:11] that five foot kind of over pavement from the end of the stalls.
[54:15] Stalls.Yes.
[54:16] Yes.
[54:16] I, what I'm talking about is the.
[54:19] The end of the parking space.
[54:20] Yep.
[54:20] When you back out, you've got at least five feet before.
[54:24] On those parking lot end zone on those installs?
[54:25] Correct.
[54:26] Okay.
[54:26] Yep.
[54:29] And I know you said.
[54:31] You don't know what's gonna be in the commercial space.
[54:35] I I'll just say, you know, the issues I had before with respect to
[54:40] traffic and pedestrian.
[54:42] Activity in that front area.
[54:44] Was primarily related to
[54:47] if it was gonna be a high turnover coffee shop.
[54:51] If you have office space or other type of retail in there, it's not
[54:54] as a much of a concern.
[54:57] But if it's a coffee shop, I would've the same concerns.
[55:00] So I don't know.
[55:01] What I can do about that.
[55:02] If you can't tell me what it's gonna be.
[55:04] .
[55:07] It makes it challenging.
[55:14] I had a question.
[55:14] Go ahead.
[55:15] A few questions.
[55:17] Off of Gwen's question about the EV.
[55:23] Ports, you said they'll be in the back, correct?
[55:26] Does that conflict?
[55:27] So it's on the back of the building.
[55:28] So would that impact.
[55:30] The placement of the ADA spaces.
[55:32] Well that that's currently where we have it proposed.
[55:35] I mean that, those conduits, if you guys feel they're better located somewhere else
[55:40] Can go.
[55:40] Absolutely.
[55:41] Anything.Yeah.I mean, is there any issue with putting them in the front?
[55:46] Because, especially if they, I mean, aside from, you know, you're gonna have pedestals
[55:49] at the end of the day, which are not got attractive, but.
[55:54] I mean, we could, we could run them out to the middle.
[55:57] The middle of a parking.
[55:59] But then again, that's gonna monkey with.
[56:05] I just noticing
[56:07] yeah.
[56:09] With
[56:10] two
[56:11] accessible spots that you have.
[56:14] There that would only
[56:16] that would either be inaccessible or a handicap spot.
[56:19] That's charging an EV
[56:21] and then you have one remaining potential, like not handicapped plate.
[56:25] It's a lot back there.
[56:29] So,
[56:30] I mean, if it's the board's preference that, that you guys want them.
[56:34] Both directed to
[56:35] non HC compliance stalls.
[56:38] That's that's not an issue.
[56:40] Those conduits can be run anywhere.
[56:41] Okay.
[56:42] That makes sense.
[56:43] It does.
[56:43] I think that makes sense.
[56:44] I would worry about.
[56:46] Occupying a car occupying an EV.
[56:49] Site when there's a need for a handicap.
[56:51] Yeah.
[56:53] Yeah, parking spot.
[56:54] I mean, can they go, can they go on the back?
[56:57] Line in the pervious pavement.
[57:04] Yeah, that that's a valid point.
[57:06] Yeah.
[57:06] What, what the client's saying, Glen.
[57:08] Is that we would probably prefer to leave one at the ADA, just in
[57:11] case.
[57:12] There was an ADA car that needed to park there.
[57:15] That is an electric vehicle.
[57:18] And we could certainly run another one out to one of those rear stalls
[57:23] Stalls.Yeah.
[57:23] Yeah.
[57:24] As long as there's a sign or something that says.
[57:27] Only
[57:28] handicap parking, ADA parking there.
[57:30] So you, you wouldn't want someone taking, oh, of course.
[57:33] A spot, of course.
[57:33] And, and they will have.
[57:35] Nancy, the typical signage.
[57:38] The paint on the pavement depicting that that is a, so if, if somebody
[57:42] without.
[57:44] Handicapped credentials parked there.
[57:46] The police could be called.
[57:47] They could get ticketed, you know,
[57:50] okay, thank you.
[57:51] It, it, it, they will be enforceable.
[57:55] Another question I had, and I know this is a.
[57:57] Older planting plan,
[58:00] but on the.
[58:02] Plantable space, adjacent ports with Ave.
[58:04] Are, is that still going to be Juniper brush or is, can that be
[58:10] Trees because that part of forest would have
[58:12] gets a lot of sun.
[58:12] Doesn't have a lot of shade.
[58:14] And that would be good for people parking there as well as people using
[58:16] the sidewalk.
[58:17] Yeah.
[58:17] I thought she had a couple of trees proposed if trees proposed.
[58:21] Can you put up there?
[58:22] I dunno if you can go to the planting plant.
[58:24] Yep.
[58:25] Even though it's old.
[58:27] Page eight.
[58:36] Yeah.
[58:37] So there's those trees.
[58:39] Just one sec.
[58:42] There we go.
[58:44] Now we can see it better,
[58:45] not as much.
[58:49] So there's those three, which is great.
[58:51] And then I'm thinking about.
[58:52] The,
[58:54] I guess it's
[58:55] it's spot next to port Ave.
[58:59] Is there a possibility of trees being there in here?
[59:01] Yeah.
[59:02] In there.
[59:03] From both the shade of those parking.
[59:06] And
[59:08] adding shade to the sidewalk.
[59:13] Yeah, the well
[59:15] this, this area right here.
[59:19] That, that sign we had gone through with the neighbor who has a commercial
[59:23] unit in the Manor facility.
[59:25] Okay.
[59:27] And have basically that that's where the sign for this building will go as
[59:30] well.
[59:32] And have committed to him that it will not be taller or will actually
[59:35] be lower.
[59:35] I believe is what the agreement was.
[59:38] Right to his size, his sign right up the street.
[59:40] Mm-hmm so that wouldn't work out in that location.
[59:43] I mean,
[59:45] one tree could probably go in here,
[59:47] Ryan, but.
[59:48] I don't know that multiples would, would work well simply because in the winter
[59:52] months they, that will.
[59:55] You know, Therase storage area for some yeah.
[59:57] And.
[59:58] The visibility that's I, I could, but as she works through this for final
[1:00:02] Which which again,
[1:00:04] you know, the, the only real substantive change proposes in the back, relocating those
[1:00:08] small shrubs mm-hmm but.
[1:00:10] I could see being able to put one tree kind of in the middle
[1:00:13] mm-hmm and then the canopy would, I would assume cover at least a
[1:00:17] couple of the spaces.
[1:00:18] Maybe
[1:00:19] the one in the middle and half of each of the other one or
[1:00:22] whatever, but yeah, it would provide some shade.
[1:00:24] Yeah.
[1:00:24] I think anyone that's parked in those lots knows it.
[1:00:27] It's
[1:00:27] oh, it gets hot.
[1:00:28] Yes.
[1:00:29] And then the other question I had was.
[1:00:33] I guess you can see it here below the proposed parking.
[1:00:35] If you want to please pointer to assist me.
[1:00:38] Below here to the right.
[1:00:40] Yep.
[1:00:41] To, to the right more down.
[1:00:43] Mower down, down on the map.
[1:00:45] Oh, I'm sorry.
[1:00:45] Yeah.
[1:00:45] So that.
[1:00:47] Has crosshatch part,
[1:00:49] is that just.
[1:00:50] Lines for that is painted lines.
[1:00:52] So it's not curd.
[1:00:53] It's just lines, correct.
[1:00:54] Okay.
[1:00:54] Yeah.
[1:00:56] Alright, that answers the questions.
[1:00:58] Questions.Oh, I guess the question is this might be up to the.
[1:01:02] Condo association or how that's formed.
[1:01:04] Is it assigned parking?
[1:01:07] In the lots in the back for residence and partially in the front, or
[1:01:09] is that just gonna be something that gets sorted out as time goes on
[1:01:12] sorted out?
[1:01:14] Yeah.For the, for the records sorted out as okay.
[1:01:16] Things come together.
[1:01:17] Yeah.
[1:01:18] Those are my questions.
[1:01:19] Thank you.
[1:01:20] You're very welcome.
[1:01:22] Should I go back to the presentation plan, Mr. Chairman.
[1:01:24] Sure.
[1:01:25] I will.
[1:01:25] I think while you're on this one, I have a question.
[1:01:27] Oh, who're on this one.
[1:01:28] Wait a minute.
[1:01:29] Okay.
[1:01:31] Kristen.
[1:01:31] Just wait a minute.
[1:01:32] Yeah, I'm just sliding the view over so we can see the entire property
[1:01:39] Ah, good.
[1:01:43] The whole shot enchilada.
[1:01:44] Very good.
[1:01:50] Okay.
[1:01:51] So I think at the risk of sort of repeating what other people have
[1:01:53] said, I'm also a little.
[1:01:55] Bit concerned about the parking circulation.
[1:01:58] In the front
[1:01:59] where it's.
[1:02:02] This, this isn't the updated one, but basically those two.
[1:02:06] Like right now, this one that we're seeing goes in hasn't changed.
[1:02:11] This, this is different than your, some than your proposal, though.
[1:02:15] I chose one way.
[1:02:16] This shows one way circuit circulation with an aisle you're Absolut.
[1:02:19] Absolutely right.
[1:02:19] Yep.
[1:02:19] Yeah.
[1:02:19] Yep.
[1:02:20] Which this,
[1:02:22] this kind of makes sense.
[1:02:25] To me as a driver.
[1:02:28] Because you can
[1:02:30] you know, if you go in and then, oh, there's no spots or whatever
[1:02:32] you can just loop around.
[1:02:34] And then also just anyone who's parking on those, like Northern four.
[1:02:38] Spots.
[1:02:39] I feel like are going to be hitting your trees.
[1:02:43] Constantly.
[1:02:44] If you don't like.
[1:02:45] Put a fence there or something, then they're gonna be hitting the fence.
[1:02:49] I don't know.
[1:02:50] I just, I feel like it's like very tight, like backing out of one
[1:02:52] of those spots on like the.
[1:02:55] The four spots on the north, it just doesn't seem like there's enough room
[1:02:59] To maneuver.
[1:03:01] Well, I mean, we do show the, the vehicle and I think we used
[1:03:05] a St like a.
[1:03:07] Ford
[1:03:08] Explorer type of a vehicle.
[1:03:09] Did what sheet is that on?
[1:03:11] Cause I wasn't seeing that parking plan, I believe.
[1:03:14] The parking, which I can get.
[1:03:17] Yeah.
[1:03:17] If you could pull that up, that'd be great.
[1:03:18] Cause I was not seeing that.
[1:03:22] Shoot four.
[1:03:28] Yeah, parking
[1:03:30] yeah, right down there on the lower left.
[1:03:33] There we go.
[1:03:34] Yeah.
[1:03:35] Oh, okay.
[1:03:35] I didn't see that.
[1:03:36] It's not there.
[1:03:36] It's clear on this screen, but.
[1:03:40] Which sheet number is that?
[1:03:45] Four Marty, I think four.
[1:03:46] Oh, I see it.
[1:03:46] Yeah.
[1:03:47] On the.
[1:03:48] Someone with the blue arrows.
[1:03:50] Arrows
[1:03:55] is that gonna have a curb?
[1:03:57] Is there a curb on that Northern edge?
[1:03:58] On, on the Manor side?
[1:04:00] Yes.
[1:04:00] Yeah.
[1:04:01] Okay.
[1:04:02] Yeah, that'll help.
[1:04:12] But that, that question.
[1:04:14] Jen is precisely why
[1:04:17] took a look at this stall, which is.
[1:04:20] Yeah, that's this stall.
[1:04:21] Yeah.
[1:04:21] I appreciate seeing that.
[1:04:22] Just to see that missed that little insert back out, make their turn and
[1:04:25] not get off the paper.
[1:04:26] Mm-hmm .
[1:04:28] Yeah, crank into other vehicles.
[1:04:28] And I think having that curb there that at least their tires would hit
[1:04:31] the curb.
[1:04:31] Yeah.
[1:04:32] It, it gives you a, a six inch veal for a wheel stop.
[1:04:35] Yep.
[1:04:55] Hello
[1:04:56] questions.
[1:04:56] Thoughts.
[1:05:13] Anybody from the
[1:05:16] public would like to speak.
[1:05:18] Please come up,
[1:05:20] step up to the microphone and.
[1:05:23] Introduce yourself, please.
[1:05:24] A couple quick questions.
[1:05:26] Questions.
[1:05:32] My name is Michael Siegel.
[1:05:33] I'm from, I.
[1:05:34] Representative Manor.
[1:05:37] We weren't
[1:05:38] at the first couple of meetings and I, one thing I, I didn't see
[1:05:41] the plans, but.
[1:05:43] How large are the residential units?
[1:05:44] That's.
[1:05:46] That's
[1:05:48] around 700 square feet, 700 square feet.
[1:05:50] Okay.
[1:05:51] And how many parking spaces are there?
[1:05:54] 26 26.
[1:05:55] Okay.
[1:05:56] That's all I wanted to know.
[1:05:57] Thank you.
[1:05:59] Yes, sir.
[1:06:10] Good evening, Todd FAHE from the law firm of Upton and Hatfield representing Needham
[1:06:15] bank, which is in a butter as.
[1:06:17] You recall just a quick procedural question to be sure that I'm fully clear
[1:06:22] So the there's been several matters.
[1:06:25] Introduced they have, and the records were combined.
[1:06:28] And this is simply an amendment.
[1:06:30] On the combined.
[1:06:31] Is that what the board's understanding is?
[1:06:34] It's it, this is an amendment.
[1:06:37] To what was a previous, the last application, which was then combined with the
[1:06:41] prior proceeding.
[1:06:44] Yeah.
[1:06:44] Yep.
[1:06:45] It wasn't.
[1:06:46] What do you mean by the prior?
[1:06:48] Well, there were two records.
[1:06:49] There were two records.
[1:06:51] And then I think there was a motion and you combine them.
[1:06:54] The reason I'm asking is that I just.
[1:06:56] I, I don't have to resubmit everything again, but, but if you're, if you're
[1:07:00] to tell me that this is a new.
[1:07:02] Matter then I would want to just redate and resubmit documents that you've seen
[1:07:07] from me ad nauseum.
[1:07:08] So was a as a active.
[1:07:10] Of mercy.
[1:07:11] I'm asking the question.
[1:07:12] So I need to give you more documents.
[1:07:15] Documents.I can, I can answer that.
[1:07:15] We, we continued the meeting to give them time.
[1:07:18] To
[1:07:21] hopefully work out that then.
[1:07:24] Hotel plan.
[1:07:26] So this is
[1:07:28] basically the same plan.
[1:07:30] With modifications, because this is the best way they could work out the traffic
[1:07:34] flow.
[1:07:34] Right.
[1:07:35] But we're still dealing with the same.
[1:07:37] It's an, it's an amended.
[1:07:38] Plan and the, and the certified record that we attached to this is still
[1:07:42] attached to it.
[1:07:42] Perfect.
[1:07:43] You don't need to give us any more paperwork.
[1:07:45] All right.
[1:07:45] Exactly.
[1:07:46] I won't.
[1:07:47] If you'd like don't weren't needed.
[1:07:49] Todd.
[1:07:49] All right.
[1:07:50] No problem.
[1:07:51] Okay.
[1:07:52] So not being said.
[1:07:54] This is,
[1:07:54] I think the.
[1:07:56] The issue we still have because I don't, we don't really, I, I don't
[1:08:00] have authority tonight, not understanding what the use is gonna be in the commercial
[1:08:04] Use and what the traffic flow is, it's the same issue.
[1:08:06] So I know there was some reference and I understand that developer wants flexibility
[1:08:12] Appreciate the, the issue addressing the parking.
[1:08:16] But without knowing what the use would be.
[1:08:19] You know, we can't can't consent to this and we need to object for
[1:08:22] the same reasons we previously have submitted to the board.
[1:08:26] Save for the, for those that are relevant.
[1:08:27] I mean, it's not a hotel anymore.
[1:08:29] But the most important piece is that you still have discretion
[1:08:33] under your site plan, review regulations to, to approve this in a way that
[1:08:38] Makes sense under your regulations?
[1:08:39] Yeah.
[1:08:40] So for the reasons I previously said before,
[1:08:43] we renew those requests.
[1:08:45] We renew our objections.
[1:08:47] Only insofar
[1:08:48] as
[1:08:49] just don't really
[1:08:50] don't really understand how this is gonna work.
[1:08:52] And even with the trap,
[1:08:54] the traffic flow.
[1:08:55] Two little points.
[1:08:56] I appreciate the shaving off of the, the area that was affected in the
[1:09:00] island in the back.
[1:09:01] And, and perhaps the applicant could speak to this.
[1:09:03] I saw it seemed to be a new.
[1:09:06] A new sewer easement, maybe an eight inch pipe.
[1:09:09] And I'm, I don't know if that was some wh where that came from
[1:09:12] but I think I saw that on the utility.
[1:09:14] Plan.
[1:09:15] And with that, I'll just end my comments, Mr. Chairman.
[1:09:18] Okay, thank you.
[1:09:21] Yep.
[1:09:21] And I can address that Mr. Chairman, that is just a replacement of the
[1:09:26] Pipe that is currently there for the dry cleaner.
[1:09:30] So that is the D P w just wanted that.
[1:09:33] D P w was new pipe?
[1:09:34] Yeah.
[1:09:35] Okay.
[1:09:38] Anyone else?
[1:09:43] Don't come in, then I will close the public portion of the meeting.
[1:09:46] Bring it back to the
[1:09:47] board.
[1:09:48] And now you spoke about.
[1:09:52] And then you're gonna need your help.
[1:09:54] Conditional.
[1:09:55] Conditional use paramedic use permit.
[1:09:58] Use permit.
[1:09:58] And we do have two waivers that are still pending.
[1:10:02] I will remind you one of those is for the.
[1:10:06] Work within five feet of a budding property line.
[1:10:08] Yes.
[1:10:10] The entire building is within five feet of both property lines.
[1:10:12] We couldn't.
[1:10:14] Couldn't get this done without, without that.
[1:10:18] And
[1:10:21] then
[1:10:27] oh, the, the.
[1:10:29] The light trespass onto a budding.
[1:10:33] Properties.
[1:10:33] Yeah.
[1:10:34] You took care of that though.
[1:10:35] You took, yeah, we, we did.
[1:10:37] So,
[1:10:37] I mean, I'll, I'll let you guys
[1:10:40] any direction.
[1:10:41] I'll let you guys
[1:10:43] opine.
[1:10:45] There we are as to whether or not that is.
[1:10:48] Still gonna be necessary.
[1:10:51] And again, if you see a.
[1:10:53] Couple of hundreds.
[1:10:56] Hundreds just over the property line.
[1:10:57] That is gonna be absolutely washed by the existing high pressure sodium.
[1:11:01] Lights that are all around us.
[1:11:06] But they did get the entire.
[1:11:09] Cones of illumination
[1:11:11] down to, I believe it is.
[1:11:14] Half a foot candle,
[1:11:15] maybe even a 10th of a foot candle.
[1:11:17] All on property.
[1:11:20] All within those property.
[1:11:22] Okay.
[1:11:22] Can I just ask a call a yes.
[1:11:25] Floor.
[1:11:25] It was taken care of and you didn't need that anymore.
[1:11:28] So that's now you needed to.
[1:11:31] You you need the waiver again?
[1:11:32] No, the lights have not changed since.
[1:11:34] Okay.
[1:11:34] Since prior iteration.
[1:11:35] Okay, so you don't need a wave?
[1:11:37] Well, we, we never got there.
[1:11:39] So you guys never said, no, you don't well, because you modified it
[1:11:43] Yes.
[1:11:43] And you changed it.
[1:11:44] So it wasn't necessary.
[1:11:45] We sent it back to our lighting consultant.
[1:11:47] Okay.
[1:11:47] Correct.
[1:11:48] Okay.
[1:11:48] And that has not changed.
[1:11:49] Wanna make sure that wasn't another change that has not changed, changed.
[1:11:52] Nancy's not changed.
[1:11:52] Thank the proposed lights have not.
[1:11:54] Okay.
[1:11:55] Been edited.
[1:11:59] Okay.
[1:12:00] Yes.
[1:12:00] And then Mr. Chairman, the final piece would be the conditional use permit.
[1:12:04] Because a portion of this property is in.
[1:12:08] Protected Shoreland.
[1:12:09] Yep.
[1:12:09] Believe it's that line.
[1:12:10] There is the one 50 and that line, there is 300.
[1:12:16] That was where the previous packet.
[1:12:17] Wasn't it.
[1:12:19] Well, let's go with a.
[1:12:22] That permit first.
[1:12:24] Yeah.And the disturbance doesn't change because nothing else exterior really changed.
[1:12:29] And we, we are reducing the.
[1:12:33] Existing impervious area.
[1:12:35] In this proposed condition.
[1:12:37] Or we continue to propose that.
[1:12:39] Yes.Yeah.Yeah.
[1:12:45] Henry conditions you need to respond?
[1:12:48] Well, there are, there are.
[1:12:50] Mm-hmm
[1:12:52] eight points.
[1:12:52] I think.
[1:12:54] Which I can
[1:12:56] okay.
[1:12:57] Nope.
[1:12:57] Five points.
[1:12:58] Which are part of 9.3 0.4 G two.
[1:13:02] Conditional uses.
[1:13:04] Uses the proposed development will not detrimentally affect surface water quality.
[1:13:08] To the waterworks pond or result in unhelpful conditions due to the proposed stormwater
[1:13:12] management.
[1:13:14] That meets a town of Exeter requirements that is proposed for the property.
[1:13:18] And in addition, no
[1:13:20] snow will be stored within the.
[1:13:23] The Shoreland district in the.
[1:13:28] In the, in the direction of the water.
[1:13:31] Pond.
[1:13:32] I, I would suppose.
[1:13:34] The project will solely discharge domestic wastewater through the municipal sewer system.
[1:13:39] There will be no onsite discharge or storage of.
[1:13:44] Excuse me or disposal of hazardous or toxic wastes on the property.
[1:13:49] Letter C the proposed development will not result in any damage to spawning grounds
[1:13:54] or other habitat.
[1:13:56] All storm water from the development area that is directed towards the waterworks pond
[1:13:59] will be infiltrated into the ground.
[1:14:02] Post-treatment and the layout has been designed to minimize.
[1:14:07] Disturbance within the S P D and complies with the use regulations.
[1:14:12] Identified an article 9.3 0.4, with the exception of the following, which is part
[1:14:17] of this conditional use permit request.
[1:14:19] Minimum lot coverage.
[1:14:20] The maximum impervious lot coverage is limited to 10%.
[1:14:25] Where we are requesting an impervious lot coverage of 78%.
[1:14:30] Which as a reduction from the existing site at 79% in pervious within the
[1:14:35] Shoreland protection district.
[1:14:37] And finally point E article 9 30, 1 of the Exodus Shoreland protection district ordinance.
[1:14:43] Authority and purpose the protection, maintenance and enhancement of the waterworks pond is achieved
[1:14:49] Achieved through the drainage design proposed.
[1:14:51] The existing site, direct stormwater.
[1:14:53] To the water.
[1:14:55] The current site directs water towards the waterworks pond without treatment.
[1:15:00] The proposal provides porous pavement with a sand filter treatment that infiltrates all storm
[1:15:05] water.
[1:15:06] Up to and including the 50 year storm event.
[1:15:11] Okay.
[1:15:13] Any questions about that?
[1:15:17] I'd like to make a motion.
[1:15:23] That we prove the
[1:15:29] requirement here.
[1:15:31] The suggestive language.
[1:15:32] It's a little tough.
[1:15:33] Ah,
[1:15:35] right.
[1:15:36] So this is the shore warrant.
[1:15:37] Shoreland.
[1:15:39] Protection district.
[1:15:42] I don't have
[1:15:44] we don't have any like, suggested.
[1:15:47] Like motion.
[1:15:53] On the,
[1:15:54] it's not included in the memo.
[1:15:57] Okay.
[1:15:58] If I can get you one oh, right here.
[1:16:01] Oh, okay.
[1:16:01] Yeah, I have one.
[1:16:02] Do, do you.
[1:16:04] I could read it to you if you could read it and then I'll
[1:16:06] move it.
[1:16:06] How's that?
[1:16:07] Yeah.
[1:16:07] And it's the Shoreland one, right?
[1:16:09] Yes.
[1:16:10] Yeah.Yeah.
[1:16:10] After reviewing the criteria.
[1:16:12] For a Shoreland conditional use permit.
[1:16:14] I move that the request of.
[1:16:17] Which one is this one?
[1:16:18] Jeff Kaley.
[1:16:20] 26 dash 3 26 dash three.
[1:16:26] For our conditional use permit, be
[1:16:28] approved.
[1:16:29] Approved with fallen conditions, table or denied.
[1:16:32] I would recommend.
[1:16:33] Two conditions that were recommended by the conservation commission.
[1:16:36] Wasn't that one?
[1:16:37] Yeah.
[1:16:38] These were the ones, the conservation commission recommended that the soils located around and
[1:16:42] under the existing building a tested for contamination after building removal and shown to
[1:16:46] be.
[1:16:46] In the in line with state requirements and to the monitoring.
[1:16:49] Well, located onsite is decommissioned and.
[1:16:53] Re removed until after cons.
[1:16:55] Until after construction and recommissioned.
[1:17:00] All set.
[1:17:01] Okay.
[1:17:01] So if you move, I'll try this one.
[1:17:03] And Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry to interrupt you, Nancy.
[1:17:05] I believe both of those.
[1:17:07] Notes are on the plans.
[1:17:09] Plans.
[1:17:09] Okay.
[1:17:10] My apologies.
[1:17:10] No, no need.
[1:17:11] And it's good to just put 'em here for, you know yeah, it does
[1:17:14] for visibility sake.
[1:17:15] Cutting.
[1:17:15] Nice pressing teeth.
[1:17:16] So.
[1:17:17] I will move.
[1:17:21] The conditional use permit.
[1:17:23] As as described by our town planner.
[1:17:27] And including the conditions stated be approved.
[1:17:32] I kind of John the glove, but that's the best I could do.
[1:17:34] Sorry.
[1:17:34] I'll second.
[1:17:35] Thank you second.
[1:17:36] Okay.
[1:17:36] Any
[1:17:37] questions?
[1:17:37] Discussion.
[1:17:40] We can do hand votes on this captain.
[1:17:42] So
[1:17:43] those in favor, please raise your right hand.
[1:17:46] Mm-hmm opposed.
[1:17:48] Senses the eyes.
[1:17:49] Have it.
[1:17:50] Okay now.
[1:17:52] Can I ask a one question?
[1:17:54] Sure.
[1:17:54] If that's all.
[1:17:56] Right.
[1:17:56] We have not talked about the architectural features of this, but I, I did
[1:18:00] wanna ask.
[1:18:02] On the
[1:18:05] I guess it would be the third floor.
[1:18:06] It almost looked well.
[1:18:08] It would have railing if it was a balcony, but is that.
[1:18:12] I'm looking at this picture.
[1:18:13] Oh, let me get that up for you.
[1:18:15] Go on.
[1:18:27] It's yeah.
[1:18:43] Yeah, that one, that wouldn't work.
[1:18:55] Here we go.
[1:19:02] Okay.
[1:19:03] So it's probably just the pers the perspective, but almost it almost looks like
[1:19:07] there's a.
[1:19:09] A platform at the, at the base of the.
[1:19:13] White area of that building.
[1:19:15] And I'm assuming it's just.
[1:19:17] The way
[1:19:18] crown, because you'd have to have something around it, but yeah, you, you can
[1:19:22] see up on the top.
[1:19:24] I see those are balcony.
[1:19:26] Balconies, but yes, this is,
[1:19:28] I would suspect probably.
[1:19:30] A foot wide at the most.
[1:19:31] Okay.
[1:19:34] And I guess just from a personal.
[1:19:37] I just, I will say this.
[1:19:38] It.
[1:19:39] No bearing really on the approval of it, but I I'm just really disappointed
[1:19:43] that this doesn't sort of give a nod to the historical features.
[1:19:48] Features of the rest of our community.
[1:19:49] It just feels.
[1:19:50] Very modern and, and I'm not opposed to modern, but I, it, it just
[1:19:56] is.
[1:19:58] It's very boxy and
[1:20:01] it just doesn't have
[1:20:03] .
[1:20:04] Well, we have my opinion.
[1:20:04] It doesn't fight not, we, it doesn't, the architect had a foot, had a
[1:20:08] footprint to work with and I realize that I think it's gonna be a
[1:20:11] very at.
[1:20:12] Attractive building at the end of the day.
[1:20:13] What do.
[1:20:14] Well, here's my comment.
[1:20:16] How do you think blue ribbon cleaners look when it was built?
[1:20:19] Well, it's smaller for one thing,
[1:20:21] but it's fifties.
[1:20:22] It's shorter.
[1:20:23] Now, but it's, so this is the two thousands.
[1:20:24] Okay.
[1:20:25] I mean, that's what I agree.
[1:20:26] Well, as, as I said, it's the first don't agree opinion.
[1:20:28] It's not, it's just my thought on the building.
[1:20:31] And no, I know I'm just
[1:20:33] for what it's worth.
[1:20:34] And I.
[1:20:35] And I think the other thing that bothers me and.
[1:20:39] Is that there really isn't anything.
[1:20:41] Around it.
[1:20:42] That's that's.
[1:20:45] And I hate to compare it to another building that's in this general vicinity
[1:20:49] but it's a fairly, there's another building.
[1:20:52] In a neighboring lot that doesn't have.
[1:20:55] It's the road and the side of the building.
[1:20:57] It's, it's very abrupt.
[1:21:00] And it doesn't have any, doesn't have flower pots.
[1:21:03] It doesn't have any green of any kind.
[1:21:06] And it just it's unappealing.
[1:21:07] And I just feel like this is.
[1:21:10] Kind of does the same thing.
[1:21:11] It just, yeah, it's fine.
[1:21:16] It's the side of the building and right down to the pavement, there aren'tany.
[1:21:17] There aren't any
[1:21:19] flower boxes.
[1:21:20] There's nothing to.
[1:21:22] Kind of make it look more inviting and I, I don't know if that's
[1:21:25] something that can be done.
[1:21:28] At some point, even after this gets approved.
[1:21:31] Oh, they, they may choose to put some
[1:21:33] like planting barrels down there, which would have to come.
[1:21:36] Inside during winter months, if they're using.
[1:21:38] It looks like you have one on the side.
[1:21:41] Of where the door goes.
[1:21:42] Yeah.
[1:21:42] And then obviously one in the front against.
[1:21:46] Portsmouth avenue,
[1:21:47] which is, which is a wider green space with the plantings.
[1:21:50] Yeah.
[1:21:50] Oh, that's right up next to the road, but not the next building.
[1:21:53] Yeah, no, not next to the.
[1:21:54] Building Gwen, because that's what I know it is where we use the pervious
[1:21:57] papers, right.
[1:21:58] To collect the stormwater.
[1:21:59] Right, right.
[1:21:59] And provide stormwater treatment for the property.
[1:22:01] It's just, again,
[1:22:02] it's just a comment
[1:22:04] and being.
[1:22:06] Just felt a need to.
[1:22:09] And I've heard other people express concerns about it, not on the board, but
[1:22:09] Explain.
[1:22:13] other people who have seen the plan, but.
[1:22:16] Yeah, that's it.
[1:22:20] I think we should look at the.
[1:22:23] Waiver request.
[1:22:25] Is this set back.
[1:22:27] Yep.
[1:22:27] Thank you, Mr. Chairman,
[1:22:28] we respectfully.
[1:22:30] Request a waiver to the town site plan, review and subdivision regulations.
[1:22:34] Section 9.3 0.6 0.4, which restricts grading within five feet of any exterior property
[1:22:40] line.
[1:22:41] We feel the waiver is justified.
[1:22:44] As the proposed design provides adequate space to work between the proposed disturbance and
[1:22:49] the property line.
[1:22:50] Therefore granting of the waiver will not, detriment will not be detrimental.
[1:22:55] To public safety, health, or welfare.
[1:22:57] Nor could it be deemed injurious to other property?
[1:23:01] The conditions upon which this request is made.
[1:23:04] Are expressly due to the fact that the proposed building being proposed.
[1:23:09] In the same location as the existing.
[1:23:11] Which is closer than five feet to the, to the property line.
[1:23:15] The existing building driveway.
[1:23:17] Et cetera are all within five feet of existing parcel boundaries.
[1:23:21] And this is unique to the parcel.
[1:23:24] And the proposal does not generally, which is not generally applicable to other properties
[1:23:30] Due to the location of the existing features as referenced above, it would be
[1:23:34] impossible to improve this site without such encroachment.
[1:23:38] This would result in the hardship.
[1:23:40] If the strict letter of the regulations is carried out, as it would be
[1:23:43] illogical to implement this rule on the current layout.
[1:23:47] Of this parcel,
[1:23:48] given the current layout of this parcel, excuse me, care will be taken to
[1:23:51] ensure no disturbance.
[1:23:53] On the abutting pars parcels, unless.
[1:23:56] Authorized by the abutting parcel owners.
[1:23:58] The waiver would not be contrary to spirit and 10 of the regulations.
[1:24:02] As the proposed development will result in adequate width for construction to take place
[1:24:07] Without causing harm to a buddy property.
[1:24:10] And finally the proposed waiver
[1:24:12] does not propose to vary the provisions of the zoning ordinance or master plan
[1:24:17] This is demo.
[1:24:18] Demonstrated by the facts cited above as well as the fact that no structures
[1:24:22] are to be located within five feet of the property line.
[1:24:25] No news structures.
[1:24:26] Excuse me.
[1:24:30] Okay.
[1:24:37] Mr Sharples.
[1:24:37] Do you have any like suggested conditions?
[1:24:40] We're good right on the waivers?
[1:24:41] No. Yep. Just wanted to make sure, cuz we don't have that here.
[1:24:44] Either.
[1:24:45] I'm going to try to make a question.
[1:24:46] Oh, okay.
[1:24:47] Now the waiver motions either.
[1:24:49] No.
[1:24:52] Yeah, that I did get that.
[1:24:54] Okay.
[1:24:54] So I moved.
[1:24:56] Moved
[1:24:57] to waive.
[1:24:58] The setback per
[1:25:00] 9.3 0.6 0.4.
[1:25:04] For planning board case number 26 dash three.
[1:25:07] Be approved.
[1:25:09] I'll second.
[1:25:11] Moved and seconded.
[1:25:13] So we'll do a hand vote again.
[1:25:16] Those in favor, please indicate by raising your right hand.
[1:25:19] Those opposed.
[1:25:21] Pensions the aye.
[1:25:22] Have it.
[1:25:23] That's all set.
[1:25:28] Now
[1:25:29] was another
[1:25:34] was another waiver that request you had?
[1:25:36] I don't think so.
[1:25:38] No. We've we've.
[1:25:39] Come to the determination that after our lighting crew went through, or our lighting
[1:25:42] engineers went through and corrected that it is no longer required.
[1:25:46] Required.Alright.
[1:25:46] And we didn't need one for.
[1:25:49] Loading zone.
[1:25:51] That's what we did talk about that at the last meeting, but
[1:25:56] I don't know, was it the hotel?
[1:25:58] Yeah.
[1:25:59] Yes, it was.
[1:26:00] Okay.
[1:26:00] Thank you for changing this.
[1:26:01] Yeah, that was the hotel.
[1:26:02] Yeah.
[1:26:02] Yeah.
[1:26:02] Just making sure.
[1:26:10] So Dave, have you got your.
[1:26:12] Conditions.
[1:26:13] You're usually
[1:26:15] yeah, you ready?
[1:26:17] Can we have, I have like a couple, we got a couple other questions
[1:26:20] discussion items.
[1:26:21] Go ahead.
[1:26:21] I can bring it back to the board.
[1:26:22] Just potential conditions.
[1:26:24] So actually,
[1:26:25] one is just more of a question for Mr. Sharples.
[1:26:27] If I can ask that.
[1:26:28] So.
[1:26:29] The, the commercial is being listed as professional and.
[1:26:34] Retail.
[1:26:35] So does that mean, like, it can't be a restaurant.
[1:26:41] Or
[1:26:42] coffee shop.
[1:26:43] Yeah, I'll, I'll defer the Alan, but you know, if you put a restaurant
[1:26:47] in there, you know, you're probably gonna bump up against the part.
[1:26:50] Part you're not gonna have enough parking, right?
[1:26:51] So this is this approval.
[1:26:53] Like with this amount of parking is only the amount of parking for.
[1:26:57] Whatever is allowed under the zoning that doesn't trigger additional.
[1:27:00] Per, you know, like anything that's I would say anything's allowed under the zoning
[1:27:03] ordinance.
[1:27:04] Yeah.
[1:27:05] That they don't exceed anything.
[1:27:06] Would.
[1:27:08] Would go, could go in there.
[1:27:09] Yeah.
[1:27:09] But if so, so could I just follow up on your question if.
[1:27:13] If we determined that the.
[1:27:16] Pedestrian and traffic.
[1:27:18] Interaction was a problematic in that front lot.
[1:27:21] If
[1:27:22] a high turnover
[1:27:24] coffee shop goes in there.
[1:27:25] Mm-hmm .
[1:27:27] Can we
[1:27:28] set as a condition that a high turnover coffee shop cannot go in.
[1:27:33] Well, I
[1:27:35] I wouldn't really suggest that if you were saying something like that, I would
[1:27:38] suggest, you know,
[1:27:39] you know, something you return to the board for, you know, like, I don't
[1:27:42] know, but like what, what, gimme a scenario.
[1:27:45] Work that out though.
[1:27:45] I'd like a little more discussion on that because like, what is unsafe about
[1:27:49] the parking lot?
[1:27:50] Because, okay.
[1:27:51] Say you, you know, a car comes in and.
[1:27:54] You know, every 15 minutes or a car comes in every hour.
[1:27:57] What's the difference?
[1:27:58] What is the concern here?
[1:28:00] You know, what are the specifics?
[1:28:01] I I'd want the, if you want, I could go through it.
[1:28:03] I mean, I, no, no. I think that's what you would.
[1:28:05] Want to, you would want to justify that in a conversation before you made
[1:28:09] a condition of approval with that, like outline your concern.
[1:28:12] That's what I would suggest.
[1:28:13] Okay.
[1:28:14] And see if the applicant can, maybe the applicant could do something on a
[1:28:17] remedy.
[1:28:18] It, so.
[1:28:19] Okay.
[1:28:19] I mean, I think whether I know this is a, a change use, but
[1:28:22] we had this discussion.
[1:28:24] At one of the prior meetings.
[1:28:25] So
[1:28:26] I can, I could go through it again if you want.
[1:28:28] Yeah.
[1:28:28] I, I wasn't here during those.
[1:28:29] Yeah.
[1:28:30] So, so, but, but also, you know, you asked me.
[1:28:33] A question and maybe, and I know you closed the public hearing.
[1:28:36] You might want to reopen it so the applicant could speak or anyone could
[1:28:40] speak on those limited issues that we're discussing.
[1:28:42] Yep.
[1:28:43] So, I guess before we do that though, like, so.
[1:28:46] Just cause I don't have like the zoning.
[1:28:48] Chart in front of me.
[1:28:49] So.
[1:28:50] Parking requirements for
[1:28:53] retail versus isn't there like a specific parking requirement for like,
[1:28:58] a a food establishment, like it's by seats.
[1:29:01] Yeah.
[1:29:01] Versus
[1:29:02] by square footage.
[1:29:03] Yeah.
[1:29:04] Retail's like one space for every 300.
[1:29:06] So if it became.
[1:29:07] Like a coffee shop.
[1:29:07] We'd have to go buy like number of seats, correct.
[1:29:10] Okay.
[1:29:10] Yeah.
[1:29:11] You'd have to go buy the parking and then if it exceeds, exceeds the
[1:29:13] 24, if the.
[1:29:15] Use goes in there, you limit the use by limiting the parking.
[1:29:18] So yeah.
[1:29:19] You know, if, if I guess that was my question, that was kind of
[1:29:21] the answer to my question.
[1:29:22] At least if you wanna.
[1:29:23] Open up them, but, but, but the problem, well, the problem, the issue here
[1:29:27] is they have parking.
[1:29:29] They have an easement, they can pocket it park next door.
[1:29:31] They can.
[1:29:32] Park at the bank.
[1:29:32] So the parking.
[1:29:34] It's the we'll work itself out
[1:29:35] that won't stop the zoning they have, they can, they can park at banks
[1:29:39] parking lot.
[1:29:40] That's the issue.
[1:29:40] Could I address that?
[1:29:41] Mr. Chair?
[1:29:42] Yes.
[1:29:42] Just quickly.
[1:29:42] Yes.
[1:29:43] Hold on.
[1:29:43] I'd suggest you reopen, you're reopen that for your comments specifically to the stop
[1:29:48] I guess.
[1:29:48] Thank you.
[1:29:49] And, and just so I'd reopen.
[1:29:50] It to anybody who wants to speak on those issues.
[1:29:52] Sure.
[1:29:53] Great.
[1:29:53] Thank you to address it.
[1:29:55] So.
[1:29:56] The parking is limited.
[1:29:58] In the ordinance already.
[1:30:01] By each use, right?
[1:30:02] So we're suggesting a commercial use.
[1:30:05] On the ground floor
[1:30:06] who don't know what tenant.
[1:30:09] May or may not be interested in that space right now.
[1:30:12] If it were to switch to a restaurant.
[1:30:14] I think it's
[1:30:16] not, it's a misnomer, the parking for the lot.
[1:30:20] Has to be calculated on the lot.
[1:30:22] It's not being calculated offsite.
[1:30:25] We've established that.
[1:30:26] So
[1:30:28] if there was a change in use.
[1:30:30] The applicant and there was a parking implication to that.
[1:30:32] Your ordinance already.
[1:30:34] Provides the rubric that we would need to work under.
[1:30:38] So,
[1:30:39] and there's, we don't have a definition of a high.
[1:30:42] Intensity
[1:30:43] use coffee shop.
[1:30:44] So.
[1:30:45] There is restaurant,
[1:30:46] right?
[1:30:47] And there's a parking calculation provided for that.
[1:30:51] So
[1:30:52] we're calculating the parking.
[1:30:54] With under the zoning ordinance.
[1:30:56] If there's a chance of use the applicant or an owner would be compelled
[1:30:59] to come back here.
[1:31:00] To try to address that use.
[1:31:02] And in this scenario, unless something drastically changes in the zoning ordinance.
[1:31:08] There's they're simply not going to be able to permit.
[1:31:11] That use
[1:31:12] right.
[1:31:14] We, we went through that kind of rigmarole before here.
[1:31:18] So we're just asking that we permit.
[1:31:21] The commercial, we have commercial space on the first floor
[1:31:23] we're complying with.
[1:31:25] The parking as defined by the ordinance and the state RSA.
[1:31:29] So if there's a change, the applicant has to come.
[1:31:32] I always laugh when there's that condition of, well, you must comply with, with
[1:31:34] the Ben zoning ordinance, because that is a given.
[1:31:37] The applicant would've to come back.
[1:31:40] So
[1:31:41] it's well defined in this ordinance.
[1:31:42] I, I don't think it's necessary in any way to further define it.
[1:31:47] Given what the ordinance provides and that's the, that would be the normative way
[1:31:51] to address.
[1:31:53] This exact issue, the ordinance provides that there's no need to have a further
[1:31:57] condition.
[1:31:58] That would be.
[1:31:59] Pretty arduous
[1:32:00] and somewhat inequitable.
[1:32:03] In a situation like this, the ordinances, the definition.
[1:32:06] And here
[1:32:07] it would be highly.
[1:32:09] Unlikely based on those calculations.
[1:32:11] That that the particular use in question would be.
[1:32:15] Permanent here.
[1:32:17] So the, the op an applicant would've to come back for that.
[1:32:21] And it's unlikely that that would actually work here given the size and spacing
[1:32:25] on the slot.
[1:32:28] And to give you an example, it would be a 12 seat restaurant.
[1:32:31] yeah, that that's all that would be allowed.
[1:32:34] So.
[1:32:35] In in the entire bottom floor, the, the, restaurant's not my concern.
[1:32:39] It's a, it's a high turn of a coffee shop.
[1:32:42] Come in,
[1:32:43] grab your coffee.
[1:32:44] And, you know, a bagel and head out that's how you can traffic.
[1:32:49] That's that it's a completely different, let's see situation than any other.
[1:32:52] Type of use that would go in there, but it's not defined within the
[1:32:55] ordinance.
[1:32:56] So we'd be making up a use and then making up a definition.
[1:33:00] Absent, either a warrant article, or an amendment to the ordinance by this board
[1:33:06] Which is illegal.
[1:33:10] I, I hate to be that guy, but I am the lawyer sitting in
[1:33:12] the room.
[1:33:12] Right.
[1:33:12] So Todd's here and he can fight with me about this.
[1:33:15] I know it's an unsatisfactory.
[1:33:16] Unsatisfactory answer, but there is a rote process.
[1:33:20] For that kind of change, especially to a definition.
[1:33:23] And or a calculation or some formula that's in the ordinance.
[1:33:27] We can't just ad hoc.
[1:33:29] Hoc make them up.
[1:33:31] Even though you are an expert in this field.
[1:33:33] You're not sitting here as an expert tonight.
[1:33:35] So we can't just make that up and then ratify it somehow tonight with
[1:33:38] a condition.
[1:33:40] It's not how it works.
[1:33:42] Respectfully
[1:33:46] I
[1:33:47] Todd Fay again, Needham bank.
[1:33:50] I think the sport has every right to have sufficient.
[1:33:53] Information to understand what's gonna happen on this site to apply your subdivision.
[1:33:59] Your site plan approvals.
[1:34:01] Approvals to what happens here.
[1:34:02] And so the, the, the challenge I'm having is.
[1:34:07] You don't want to be in a situation of approving something that unwittingly will
[1:34:11] be contrary if implemented to your, to.
[1:34:14] Your to your own.
[1:34:16] Regulatory scheme.
[1:34:17] Right.
[1:34:18] It's really important.
[1:34:19] And you've worked really hard.
[1:34:20] We spent a lot of hours on this.
[1:34:22] So respectfully to my colleague.
[1:34:26] You do have a right to understand what's gonna happen.
[1:34:29] So.
[1:34:30] This can't just be an open-ended situation.
[1:34:32] And then we don't really know what's gonna happen.
[1:34:35] And
[1:34:36] I, I just think.
[1:34:37] There needs to be a little bit of clarity.
[1:34:39] And if there were a little more clarity, I think maybe we could all
[1:34:42] be in a different spot here, but there's not.
[1:34:44] And, and respectfully, I.
[1:34:45] Know, these folks have worked hard to get this project permitted.
[1:34:50] I still think they're trying to do a lot on a small lot,
[1:34:53] obviously.
[1:34:54] But, you know, the it's gone through a lot of iterations.
[1:34:58] But I do think we need to those issues of traffic flow and pedestrian
[1:35:02] safety.
[1:35:03] Are are just, are writ large in your ordinance and nothing.
[1:35:07] Deprives you
[1:35:08] or prevents you.
[1:35:09] From from issuing an approval.
[1:35:11] If that'd be your per your decision tonight.
[1:35:14] To to ensure that those, that there's gonna be some fidelity to those provisions
[1:35:17] right.
[1:35:18] That's what this town needs and wants.
[1:35:20] And that's your obligation.
[1:35:21] That's.
[1:35:22] That's my comment.
[1:35:22] Thank you.
[1:35:23] Thank you.
[1:35:25] Can I rebut that as the applicant?
[1:35:26] Mm-hmm please.
[1:35:29] So I'm looking at section 5.6 0.6.
[1:35:33] In the zoning ordinance.
[1:35:35] Restaurants bars nightclubs.
[1:35:38] Nightclubs of Wich golf shop would fall into.
[1:35:40] And it's one for each three seats, and then there's an employee component to
[1:35:44] that.
[1:35:45] So I, I agree with Todd, we have every right to have as much
[1:35:48] info.
[1:35:48] We we're providing all of the information that we're compelled to you.
[1:35:51] Plus more, we are trying to comply.
[1:35:54] And we have been trying to comply with the parking ordinance.
[1:35:56] It would be highly unlikely.
[1:35:59] That a 12 seat coffee shop would go into the entire first floor of
[1:36:02] that building.
[1:36:04] And if it did, it would need to comply with the parameters in the
[1:36:08] ordinance.
[1:36:08] So I, I'm not arguing about.
[1:36:11] Trying to provide as much information or that you have the right to ask
[1:36:13] us any question that you want really.
[1:36:16] And we're happy to answer.
[1:36:18] 'em.
[1:36:20] For what I'm arguing against is creating an ad hoc regulation with a condition
[1:36:24] that is irrelevant.
[1:36:26] Irrelevant because a change of use.
[1:36:28] Would require an applicant to come back before this board.
[1:36:32] And to comply with the ordinance.
[1:36:34] In that moment as it's drafted.
[1:36:37] And I think that that's,
[1:36:38] again, the rote way that this should operate.
[1:36:42] Or does operate in my experience in the state.
[1:36:44] So
[1:36:46] we're proposing or we did the parking calculations.
[1:36:49] Using professional office and retail.
[1:36:51] Those are the most likely uses here
[1:36:53] for changes.
[1:36:55] Changes
[1:36:55] Mr. Kelly or another owner would have to come back before this board.
[1:37:00] And comply with the calculation, but writing a new calculation for a use.
[1:37:03] That's not in the ordinance.
[1:37:05] Is not something that I think would be a great idea in this moment
[1:37:10] So that's all I have.
[1:37:13] Can I ask?
[1:37:14] Oh,
[1:37:15] can I add just, just on the follow-up that like is, you know,
[1:37:18] I don't disagree with anyone in theory what people say, but if, if you're
[1:37:21] saying like, I need to know.
[1:37:23] What's going in there.
[1:37:24] Mm-hmm then you've never done that as a board, since I've been here
[1:37:28] you've approved.
[1:37:29] Multiple commercial spaces.
[1:37:32] That you did not know the use and the guardrails, if you will, are
[1:37:35] the zoning ordinance.
[1:37:37] So, I mean, there's numerous ones.
[1:37:39] I mean the, the, the one in front of gateway, the one in front
[1:37:42] of McKay, I mean, list goes odd.
[1:37:44] There's there's numerous ones.
[1:37:45] Ones on Portsmouth Ave and
[1:37:47] the one you just did next to thirsty moose had commercial space, but the
[1:37:51] uses in identified.
[1:37:52] But the use uses are identified in the zoning that's that's, what's allowed.
[1:37:58] So that would be, if you start going down that road, it's something that
[1:38:01] you, you know, I, I, I have not seen you.
[1:38:04] Mm-hmm sorry, you know, requiring what what's going in there.
[1:38:07] You've never done that before.
[1:38:08] No.
[1:38:12] Okay, let me next thing that what makes.
[1:38:15] Let me bring it back to the board again.
[1:38:16] I'm sorry.
[1:38:17] I'm sorry.
[1:38:17] Oh, go ahead, Jack.
[1:38:18] Go ahead.
[1:38:19] Chris,
[1:38:22] and I shouldn't put words into your mouth, but I'm thinking what makes you
[1:38:26] nervous?
[1:38:26] What makes me nervous?
[1:38:28] Is just the, whether
[1:38:30] a person is walking from.
[1:38:32] The new eye eyesight place through.
[1:38:36] The Plaza to this building or.
[1:38:39] Whether they're driving and parking and it's the pedestrian, it's the pedestrian crossings of
[1:38:45] these roads that makes.
[1:38:47] Me nervous and that will happen.
[1:38:50] Potentially with whatever goes in and there's nothing we can when we can't regulate
[1:38:56] The number of people going in and out of that building, that's not.
[1:39:00] Something we can do.
[1:39:00] It's not something, you know, in advance, but I think the pedestrian safety.
[1:39:06] Continues to be
[1:39:07] a big concern.
[1:39:09] For me and I don't.
[1:39:11] Don't, I don't know how to address that.
[1:39:14] I mean, just in, but I may be, I may be misinterpreting partly what
[1:39:18] you're saying in my.
[1:39:20] Mind
[1:39:20] the, the
[1:39:22] problem is how tight that.
[1:39:25] That those parking spaces are in front.
[1:39:27] And a high turnover.
[1:39:29] Coffee shop
[1:39:30] the volume of traffic that'll be generated.
[1:39:33] Will will will mean you have cars coming in, pulling in.
[1:39:37] Pulling out every few minutes.
[1:39:40] And you're gonna have parking.
[1:39:42] That's gonna be happening at the bank.
[1:39:44] And I,
[1:39:46] I'm not concerned about the parking.
[1:39:47] There's plenty of parking spaces out there.
[1:39:48] Mm-hmm the fact is though, because they're gonna be parking over there.
[1:39:52] Pedestrians are gonna be walking.
[1:39:54] Across.
[1:39:55] And when in that tight parking area where people will be pulling out and
[1:39:58] backing out
[1:39:59] that's the issue and any other type of retail.
[1:40:03] Use out there.
[1:40:05] It wouldn't have it to that extreme.
[1:40:06] It's not perfect, but it would be fine.
[1:40:08] Mm-hmm but the, in my mind,
[1:40:11] the one use that will cause that problem.
[1:40:14] Will be
[1:40:15] a, a high turnover coffee shop.
[1:40:18] And if they could tell us, they're not gonna put that in.
[1:40:20] I I'd be fine.
[1:40:22] But if, if they can't tell us that.
[1:40:25] I still have that concern.
[1:40:27] I mean, I think what I was hearing is that.
[1:40:29] They, they can't put that in without.
[1:40:31] Going back to zoning.
[1:40:32] I
[1:40:33] I'd like some confirmation on that.
[1:40:36] Is that true?
[1:40:37] Well, it's a restaurant, so it is allowed in the zone
[1:40:40] so that they can put, but it a restaurant.
[1:40:43] So you take.
[1:40:44] 24 spots you got right.
[1:40:46] 26 0 26.
[1:40:48] I'm sorry.
[1:40:49] So, so you have, so you have
[1:40:51] 12 for the units cuz the state law, the new state law says you
[1:40:54] need.
[1:40:54] One spot for every residential unit mm-hmm .
[1:40:56] So that leaves 14.
[1:40:58] You need one, you need one parking spot for every three seats.
[1:41:02] Seats.
[1:41:02] So you'd need, you could get four.
[1:41:06] You get four, three seats.
[1:41:07] So 12 seat restaurant.
[1:41:10] But then that's it.
[1:41:10] You couldn't use any of the rest of the space down there, so you
[1:41:13] would, I, I, I don't know how it would happen.
[1:41:16] My, my concern is not the parking.
[1:41:18] Demand based on seats, a high turnover coffee shop.
[1:41:22] That was in there could have.
[1:41:24] Five seats and it will still generate a lot of traffic because people were
[1:41:27] going up to the counter.
[1:41:29] Grabbing their bagel, grabbing their coffee and running out.
[1:41:32] That's what generates the traffic.
[1:41:33] It's not the seats.
[1:41:35] Seats.
[1:41:35] I understand that, but that's what our zoning says.
[1:41:37] We have to go by our zoning.
[1:41:38] Okay.
[1:41:38] I, I, I mean, I do you like, I, I don't really know what
[1:41:42] you're saying here.
[1:41:43] Do you.
[1:41:44] I guess then
[1:41:46] if the con, so Marty, if, if I'm hearing you right, the concern, your
[1:41:49] concern is.
[1:41:51] Independent of parking.
[1:41:52] It's just
[1:41:54] turnover of that location.
[1:41:56] Is that what I'm hearing?
[1:41:56] It's the interaction between traffic.
[1:41:58] Coming in coming out quick turnaround and pedestrians walking across the parking water, that
[1:42:03] activity on this space on this lot.
[1:42:06] Is there some.
[1:42:07] Traffic engineering solutions that could be used.
[1:42:10] To mitigate that concern or possibly to mitigate that.
[1:42:13] Impact or interaction.
[1:42:16] I know it's a narrow lot and it's.
[1:42:19] It's scope really just to the parking.
[1:42:21] In front of it, we don't have any.
[1:42:23] Say over the existing.
[1:42:25] Private roadways in there, but.
[1:42:28] A speed tables.
[1:42:30] Tables adjustments to turning the painted islands into curb.
[1:42:32] So that there's a.
[1:42:34] More
[1:42:36] or
[1:42:38] friction to the driver going through that area.
[1:42:41] When there's potential.
[1:42:43] Pedestrian
[1:42:44] volume.
[1:42:47] So I think that might be, we have lots of high turnover.
[1:42:52] Places in town.
[1:42:56] And, you know, there's always PO possibly issues, but these problems can be solved
[1:43:00] in an engineering way.
[1:43:02] Possibly, I don't know how to solve that.
[1:43:04] Of course.
[1:43:04] But.
[1:43:06] It seems like something that could be.
[1:43:09] Considered
[1:43:11] in lieu of saying in lieu of creating a.
[1:43:14] Condition that may not be enforceable in any way.
[1:43:20] Problem is that a lot of the mitigation would occur on.
[1:43:24] Someone else, someone else's property.
[1:43:25] Yeah.
[1:43:26] I mean, looking at this, the spot I see is the painted islands turning
[1:43:29] into.
[1:43:32] Curbed, but I don't know if from a traffic engineering standpoint, if that's enough
[1:43:35] to be impactful.
[1:43:37] And
[1:43:38] resolve any potential issues.
[1:43:40] Yeah.
[1:43:40] I mean, that is the challenge that this is crossing.
[1:43:44] A space that is owned by many people.
[1:43:47] And
[1:43:48] not in scope for this discussion.
[1:43:50] Yeah.
[1:43:50] Well, at the same token,
[1:43:52] anybody right in the right mind, wants to have a coffee shop to do
[1:43:56] that kind of traffic.
[1:43:57] And they look at the situation.
[1:43:59] That's not gonna work.
[1:44:00] They're not gonna have the customers.
[1:44:01] They need to pay for the coffee to pay for the rent.
[1:44:04] I just, we're trying to rub a crystal ball here and we don't know
[1:44:07] what's gonna happen down there.
[1:44:08] Maybe they're gonna have.
[1:44:10] Hot coffee, right in a hose.
[1:44:11] And you drive down and stop and fill your cup and drive on.
[1:44:14] Who knows?
[1:44:14] I would go there.
[1:44:16] Just, I would think we're trying to predict the.
[1:44:18] Future here and we're spending too much time on it.
[1:44:21] Yeah, really do I think.
[1:44:23] Dave gives me the, the confidence that we have the zoning for the, the
[1:44:27] right purpose.
[1:44:28] And I just don't think I'm going to try to put a coffee shop
[1:44:30] there.
[1:44:32] Cuz I I've gotta spell, send a spell, sell a lot of donuts and
[1:44:36] coffee.
[1:44:37] To pay the freight
[1:44:38] and if nobody's coming in, because it's so hard to get in and out
[1:44:42] Or that we're there once and they backed into somebody.
[1:44:44] Like somebody did the other day now at.
[1:44:47] Mo's right through the door.
[1:44:49] .
[1:44:50] It's Holly, they're waiting for the insurance to come through, to fix the door
[1:44:54] So at they had all the room of the world there.
[1:44:55] They've got back into the door.
[1:44:57] So those things happen.
[1:44:59] But, you know, I just think that.
[1:45:06] The plan speaks for itself in terms of.
[1:45:08] Flexibility and what can happen there?
[1:45:12] And
[1:45:14] there's all kinds of businesses that are certainly, I think could.
[1:45:16] Use that kind of space.
[1:45:20] Oh, that's where I stand on it anyway.
[1:45:22] Yeah, I think I agree.
[1:45:23] I think the zoning.
[1:45:25] I feel pretty comfortable that the zoning.
[1:45:27] Yeah, regulations will limit sort of what can happen there as well as the
[1:45:32] just the site constraints.
[1:45:33] So I, I personally feel satisfied with.
[1:45:36] My original question that I think brought this all up.
[1:45:38] .
[1:45:43] Okay, can we move on or do you, you guys okay.
[1:45:47] I said my piece.
[1:45:49] And are we ready for, I, sorry, I had one more.
[1:45:52] I had two things.
[1:45:52] Oh, that's right.
[1:45:53] I have to check with you first.
[1:45:54] Two things.
[1:45:54] Sorry.
[1:45:56] I just wanted to discuss this and I don't wanna take up too much
[1:45:59] time.
[1:46:00] Again, but
[1:46:01] because this is one of the first.
[1:46:05] Applications that the BIS bicycle infrastructure would apply to.
[1:46:10] And, you know, I had to look up what we.
[1:46:13] A section 8.7 0.9, the new.
[1:46:16] Bike infrastructure regulation.
[1:46:18] It's it's super subjective.
[1:46:21] So the applicant, what I heard is the applicant is proposing.
[1:46:25] Temporary
[1:46:26] bike racks to be placed in grass.
[1:46:29] Ass seasonally.
[1:46:32] And
[1:46:34] in my opinion,
[1:46:36] that would not qualify as.
[1:46:38] Bicycle friendly design elements.
[1:46:41] Elements
[1:46:41] because
[1:46:43] number one, it's not gonna be their year round.
[1:46:45] Number two, it's gonna be on a grass surface.
[1:46:48] That is not great for parking a bike on.
[1:46:52] And
[1:46:53] number three.
[1:46:54] There's really nothing.
[1:46:56] In this application that's unless we add it as a condition, which I would
[1:47:00] recommend that we do.
[1:47:02] That that be installed and maintained.
[1:47:04] Or that be placed and maintained.
[1:47:07] So, I guess my proposal is that we, that we add a condition at
[1:47:11] the, at a minimum, at a condition that we.
[1:47:14] That the applicant
[1:47:17] place
[1:47:18] a bike rack seasonally.
[1:47:23] But personally, I prefer it be on pavement and.
[1:47:27] You know, be secure, be a piece of infrastructure.
[1:47:30] Mm-hmm .
[1:47:32] Almost doesn't make sense to put it on grass cause it's gonna get.
[1:47:35] Torn up.
[1:47:36] Yeah.
[1:47:36] How are you gonna mow the grass there?
[1:47:37] Bikes on it.
[1:47:38] Can't mow it.
[1:47:40] Very easily.
[1:47:41] Christian move the rack.
[1:47:43] Did we close
[1:47:44] again?
[1:47:45] Hmm, no, we okay.
[1:47:46] Good.
[1:47:50] I agree.
[1:47:50] Thank you.
[1:47:53] That's a reasonable condition.
[1:47:54] Okay.
[1:47:58] I think they're just looking at.
[1:48:00] Where they might put it.
[1:48:01] That's not on graph.
[1:48:08] Do you wanna open it back up for public comments so they can, would
[1:48:11] you like to speak again?
[1:48:12] Thank you, sir.
[1:48:13] .
[1:48:14] You're open to speak to me.
[1:48:15] Well, now I'm gonna have to go back and, and go back to the
[1:48:18] site plan, but.
[1:48:22] Now in, in speaking with Jeff, actually the area that, or one of the
[1:48:27] areas that.
[1:48:29] Marty was talking about specific to vehicular movement.
[1:48:35] If it pleases the board, we do have this location.
[1:48:39] And I think that is probably, I think that front sidewalk is eight feet
[1:48:43] wide.
[1:48:43] If I'm not mistaken.
[1:48:45] There could be a bike rack.
[1:48:47] Placed right there.
[1:48:48] That is paved.
[1:48:49] That is still proposed to be paved.
[1:48:51] And if that places the board, we will happily add that as a condition
[1:48:56] I still think they're gonna want to take it in the winter because that
[1:48:58] Calvin and I still.
[1:49:00] While.Good.
[1:49:01] It's still gonna rust.
[1:49:01] If you leave that out
[1:49:03] where they're spreading salt.
[1:49:10] I would say, just stay on that.
[1:49:12] The.
[1:49:13] In town at the Y also downtown there's.
[1:49:17] There's steel coated ones that are out all year round.
[1:49:19] And they've been out there for they're like embedded in the concrete they've been
[1:49:23] in there for.
[1:49:24] They probably knows eight years.
[1:49:26] Yeah.
[1:49:26] Eight years.
[1:49:26] I think I put 'em in 2018.
[1:49:28] Look good.
[1:49:29] So, yeah, there's.
[1:49:31] There's bill rust event.
[1:49:31] They starting new, but yeah, they'll 20 years.
[1:49:33] Yeah, exactly.
[1:49:33] So they run, but.
[1:49:36] So there are options there for.
[1:49:38] Solution, but that's fine.
[1:49:39] I mean, if they, you guys want it left out the entire winter, I
[1:49:42] don't know.
[1:49:42] Who's riding their bike here in the winter, but this guy mm-hmm oh, oh
[1:49:45] To this place people.
[1:49:45] Yeah.
[1:49:46] People.
[1:49:47] I see very rarely.
[1:49:48] And I drive, I drive 33 a lot.
[1:49:51] I do not see a hell of a lot of bikes on that road
[1:49:55] But
[1:49:55] whatever you guys want, it's fine.
[1:49:56] Yeah.
[1:49:57] We don't have any issue with that.
[1:49:58] Okay.
[1:50:00] Think that's good.
[1:50:01] Yeah.
[1:50:01] And keep in mind in the near future, Portsmouth avenue is gonna be.
[1:50:06] Redone mm-hmm it's it's in the CIP P so.
[1:50:10] It, it, it, the hope is that it's gonna be, are they putting in
[1:50:12] bike lanes?
[1:50:14] We haven't gotten there yet.
[1:50:15] Oh, okay.
[1:50:15] I'm just saying that it's coming so most likely, most likely I don't want
[1:50:20] most
[1:50:21] anything.
[1:50:22] But yeah, that's one of the few places idea is to.
[1:50:25] Do things like that.
[1:50:25] So, yeah.
[1:50:25] Yeah.
[1:50:26] No, I think that's great because.
[1:50:29] When I end up writing my bike down that road, I am fear for
[1:50:32] my life.
[1:50:34] Lot of carb cuts to work that one out.
[1:50:36] Yep.
[1:50:37] Okay close.
[1:50:38] Well, I, hold on.
[1:50:39] I would just suggest, you know, since you opened it for them, for that
[1:50:42] limited purpose of talking about the bike rack, I would suggest just.
[1:50:45] Offering it to the public, the rest of the public.
[1:50:47] If they want to talk about the bike rack issue, ride your bike, anybody
[1:50:51] How long mate, how long we keep it out.
[1:50:54] It's stationary like me.
[1:50:55] Mm-hmm .
[1:50:58] Public question again.
[1:51:00] So you, do you have your standard?
[1:51:04] Are you ready for him?
[1:51:05] I do have some suggested conditions of approval.
[1:51:07] I think so.
[1:51:09] We pretty much all the standard ones.
[1:51:11] Let me get 'em out here for the bike rack would be around and
[1:51:14] well, you're gonna have to add the bike rack.
[1:51:15] I hadn't put that one in there.
[1:51:16] Okay.
[1:51:17] Yep.
[1:51:18] An electronic as-built with details acceptable to the town shall be provided prior to
[1:51:22] the issuance of a certificate of occupancy.
[1:51:24] This plan must be in DW.
[1:51:25] DWG a DFX file format in and in a D 1983 state plan.
[1:51:30] New Hampshire F I P S 2,800 feet.
[1:51:31] Coordinates to a pre-construction meeting shall be arranged by the applicant and their contractor
[1:51:35] with the town engineer.
[1:51:37] Prior to any site work commencing the following must be submitted for review and
[1:51:41] approval prior to the meeting, the stormwater pollution prevention plan.
[1:51:45] If.
[1:51:45] Applicable and a project schedule and construction cost estimate.
[1:51:49] Three third party construction inspection fees shall be paid prior to scheduling the pre-construction
[1:51:53] meeting.
[1:51:55] For the annual operations and maintenance report in the stormwater operations and maintenance manual
[1:51:59] Shall be completed and submitted to the town engineer annually on or before January 31st
[1:52:04] This requirement shall be an ongoing condition of approval and included in the condominium
[1:52:08] documents.
[1:52:09] Five all comments in the review letters from Underwood engineers shall be.
[1:52:12] Addressed to the satisfaction of the town plan and the town planner.
[1:52:15] Town engineer or their designee prior to signing the final plans.
[1:52:18] Six all applicable state permit approval numbers.
[1:52:21] I don't believe there are any here, but this is.
[1:52:23] These are all our standard conditions of approval that we issue Shelby noted on
[1:52:27] the final plan seven, a restoration and erosion control surety in an amount.
[1:52:32] And form reviewed and approved by the town planner in accordance to section 12
[1:52:35] of the site plan review and subdivision regulations shall be provided prior to any
[1:52:38] site work eight, all.
[1:52:40] Appropriate fees to be paid, but in, but not limited to sewer, water, connection
[1:52:44] fees, impact fees and inspection fees, including third party inspections prior to the issuance
[1:52:48] of a.
[1:52:48] Certificate of occupancy nine, all landscape.
[1:52:52] Landscaping shown on plans shall be maintained in any dead or dying vegetation shall
[1:52:55] be replaced.
[1:52:57] Replaced no later than the following growing season, as long as the site plan
[1:52:59] remains valid.
[1:53:01] 10, all lighting, including security lights shall be down lit and shielded.
[1:53:04] So no direct light is visible from a adjacent properties or roadways.
[1:53:09] Roadways 11, no snow storage should be stored on plantings or planting areas shown
[1:53:13] on the plans.
[1:53:15] Plans except otherwise provided herein.
[1:53:17] Cuz you had talked about that.
[1:53:18] I'll add that nothing herein shall expand or contract any easement.
[1:53:23] Rights which any party may have regarding the subject property.
[1:53:27] The applicant shall 12, 13, the applicant shall submit.
[1:53:32] The land use and storm water management information about the project using the PTAP
[1:53:37] Online municipal tracking tool.
[1:53:39] The PTAP P submittal must be accepted by D P w prior to the
[1:53:41] pre-construction meeting.
[1:53:43] And finally the HOA document shall be submitted to the town planner for review
[1:53:48] and approval.
[1:53:49] In to determine compliance with the board's approval prior to signing the final plans
[1:53:53] at the town planner deems legal counsel review is necessary.
[1:53:56] It shall.
[1:53:57] Be at the applicant's expense.
[1:53:59] I don't foresee that.
[1:54:00] And usually that does not happen, but we always put that in a condition
[1:54:03] saying if I read it, it's like, ah, I gotta.
[1:54:05] Kick it to municipal group.
[1:54:07] They usually, you know, the, the applicant will fund that escrow counter
[1:54:11] complete that review.
[1:54:13] Thank you.
[1:54:13] And can I
[1:54:14] suggest a bicycle rack?
[1:54:16] Yes.
[1:54:16] Yeah,
[1:54:17] a bicycle rack located on the eight foot sidewalk in front of the building
[1:54:20] shall be.
[1:54:21] Permanently installed on pavement and shall be noted on the final plans.
[1:54:25] Plans as year round.
[1:54:26] Did you say anything?
[1:54:27] I said permanently installed permanently fine.
[1:54:29] As long that that's.
[1:54:31] That's okay.
[1:54:32] And one EV charging station will be moved from its current site to.
[1:54:38] Oh, yeah,
[1:54:40] a site.
[1:54:41] Did you, did you think that in the, on the purpose favors.
[1:54:46] Favors somewhere on the pavement.
[1:54:48] Yes.
[1:54:48] Okay.
[1:54:49] That, that would make the most sense.
[1:54:50] Are you actually, so our regs require EV charging read.
[1:54:54] Readiness.
[1:54:54] They don't require charging.
[1:54:56] They just write, go.
[1:54:57] So you're but you're actually putting in pedestals.
[1:55:00] No. Or a conduit. Oh, okay. So the.
[1:55:02] Conduit's going there.
[1:55:03] I just wanted to be clear the court, the court's comment you did said
[1:55:07] I conduit.
[1:55:08] I thought they were putting the into, so.
[1:55:11] Okay.
[1:55:11] And where we going to requested a tree get planted?
[1:55:14] Yeah.
[1:55:16] Additional tree planted on the.
[1:55:20] Northwestern.
[1:55:23] Lawn space adjacent to force with a.
[1:55:26] Can I add a comment to that, or just a request that we don't
[1:55:29] obstruct.
[1:55:30] So as not to obstruct neighboring signage mm-hmm .
[1:55:32] Yes.
[1:55:33] So.
[1:55:34] It's not to obstruct
[1:55:35] neighboring signage.
[1:55:36] Thank you.
[1:55:36] Yeah.
[1:55:38] And I have a question, Dave.
[1:55:41] On on the July 10th, 2 25.
[1:55:45] Notes from the conservation commission.
[1:55:47] And this probably should have been with the Shoreland.
[1:55:51] Well, Shoreland conditional use permit, but they noted that the soils located around and
[1:55:57] under the existing buildings.
[1:55:59] Buildings are tested for contamination after building removal.
[1:56:02] And shown to be in line with state requirements.
[1:56:05] I read that.
[1:56:06] And the other one in, did you read that?
[1:56:07] Yeah, I read it in the record and you approved the conditional use permit
[1:56:10] with.
[1:56:11] Those two conditions.
[1:56:11] Okay.
[1:56:11] All right.
[1:56:11] Without the other one is in there.
[1:56:13] Yep.
[1:56:13] You're all set monitoring.
[1:56:14] Well, that's in there.
[1:56:15] Yep.
[1:56:15] Okay.
[1:56:16] The monitoring well located on size decommission.
[1:56:18] Thank you.
[1:56:18] Yep.
[1:56:18] You.
[1:56:19] Already approved that.
[1:56:19] And I already made those conditions must have been napping.
[1:56:22] .
[1:56:23] Thank you.
[1:56:24] Okay.
[1:56:26] We all set.
[1:56:29] Ready.
[1:56:30] For vote for a motion.
[1:56:31] Sure.
[1:56:32] So I moved at the request of J Kaley associates, planning, board case number
[1:56:37] 26 dash three first site plate approval.
[1:56:40] B approved with the conditions as stated by our town planner, Mr. Sharples.
[1:56:45] Gender from Martel.
[1:56:47] Ryan Kelly.
[1:56:51] Do you need more than that?
[1:56:52] And the conduit Gwen.
[1:56:54] Gwen.
[1:56:54] Yeah.
[1:56:55] Oh, sorry.
[1:56:55] I missed end the condo conduit conduit and her Gwen.
[1:56:59] Gwen English.
[1:56:59] Mm-hmm I think I covered everyone.
[1:57:01] I think that's good.
[1:57:02] Yeah.
[1:57:02] Okay.
[1:57:04] I'll second, Jen.
[1:57:04] Okay, move just second.
[1:57:07] I
[1:57:08] okay.
[1:57:09] She did this.
[1:57:09] She beat you.
[1:57:11] Sorry.
[1:57:12] It's okay.
[1:57:14] She's closer to the chair now.
[1:57:15] So she's gotta be
[1:57:17] awake and alert.
[1:57:20] Okay.
[1:57:20] Now hand vote, please.
[1:57:21] Those in favor, please raise your right hand.
[1:57:26] 2 3, 4.
[1:57:28] 2 4, 5.
[1:57:29] Okay.
[1:57:29] And those opposed.
[1:57:32] One
[1:57:33] state
[1:57:36] okay.
[1:57:37] Motion carries.
[1:57:38] Thanks very much folks.
[1:57:40] Okay, thank you for being patient
[1:57:42] for working.
[1:57:47] And I told no,
[1:57:48] I know, but I have to.
[1:57:53] I know.
[1:57:54] Okay.
[1:57:54] We've got that.
[1:57:56] And then one more.
[1:57:59] Okay.
[1:57:59] So there
[1:58:04] thank you.
[1:58:04] I feel like it's already 10 30 or something.
[1:58:10] Thank you.
[1:58:10] Good night.
[1:58:11] Bye.
[1:58:18] Good night.
[1:58:25] Okay.
[1:58:42] To cycle.
[1:58:45] Do this one, right?
[1:58:46] Yeah.
[1:58:47] Wasn't there a PPA hearing.
[1:58:50] It's a continuance.
[1:58:51] No, it's a continuum.
[1:58:52] Okay.
[1:58:52] But do they need no, we haven't.
[1:58:54] Hold on.
[1:58:54] Yeah.
[1:58:55] Come here for a second.
[1:58:56] Yeah.
[1:58:57] They need to be continued again.
[1:58:59] P.
[1:59:00] E a
[1:59:01] yeah, until we can figure out they're they're.
[1:59:06] The ZBA.
[1:59:08] Decision was appealed to the housing board of appeals.
[1:59:11] Okay.
[1:59:11] So that's going to be tied up for, you know, I don't know,
[1:59:15] a while for months.
[1:59:18] So
[1:59:21] I would
[1:59:22] let me, I, I, I gotta talk with them to see what they want
[1:59:25] but, you know, they they'd like to continue.
[1:59:27] So if you could just continue it until the.
[1:59:30] September 10th meeting.
[1:59:30] They're not gonna be there then, but at least that'll give me time to
[1:59:33] talk with them to see, okay.
[1:59:35] When do we table it to a date?
[1:59:37] Certain.
[1:59:38] Later or what we do about it, because we might have to just.
[1:59:40] Pull it off the agenda temporarily and this, and just re-notice when it comes
[1:59:44] back.
[1:59:44] Yeah.
[1:59:44] Yep.
[1:59:45] But just give me a little time to talk to them first and just
[1:59:48] if you could table it.
[1:59:49] Till September 10th, that would be appreciated.
[1:59:52] Okay.
[1:59:53] I need a motion.
[1:59:54] I moved that we table.
[1:59:57] Planning board case number.
[1:59:59] I almost did this one.
[2:00:00] We just did.
[2:00:01] Sorry.
[2:00:02] Planning board case number.
[2:00:03] 26 dash seven.
[2:00:06] To our, what, what, September 10th, September 10th, September 10th, 2026.
[2:00:12] Meeting here in the Novak room.
[2:00:14] Second.
[2:00:15] We'll do second those in favor, please.
[2:00:17] And kept by saying aye.
[2:00:17] Aye.
[2:00:18] Aye.
[2:00:18] Aye.
[2:00:19] Opposed.
[2:00:19] Aye.
[2:00:20] ABT.
[2:00:21] It.Oh, abstentions what?
[2:00:22] That's nine, 10 mm-hmm think Sam's upstate.
[2:00:24] So.
[2:00:26] Oh, Sam's, it's not here a minute.
[2:00:28] sorry.
[2:00:30] All right.
[2:00:30] So
[2:00:34] the continuation of public hearing for the application of.
[2:00:38] The stone arch
[2:00:39] development, LLC, for a lot line adjustment and a minor subdivision and site plan
[2:00:44] review for the redevelopment of.
[2:00:46] Property located at five Brentwood drive.
[2:00:50] The redevelopment will consist of eight residential condominium units in a single family home
[2:00:55] of single family homes.
[2:00:57] Homes, the project includes new roadway.
[2:00:59] Underground utilities and drainage structures.
[2:01:02] Structures tax map 62, parcel number one 11.
[2:01:06] And planning based planning board case number 26, 11.
[2:01:11] Is that ready to be?
[2:01:12] No that's continuation.
[2:01:13] So we're already going through the first thing.
[2:01:15] Yep.
[2:01:16] Do you have some things here to start us off with Dave?
[2:01:20] Yes.
[2:01:20] Thank you.
[2:01:21] As you noted, the, this is a.
[2:01:24] Return.This was
[2:01:25] am.
[2:01:26] A while back back in.
[2:01:28] July, I think we saw this, but anyway,
[2:01:32] the
[2:01:33] site walk was July 14th.
[2:01:34] If that's helpful.
[2:01:36] Yeah.
[2:01:36] And I think there was the June 25th meeting or something like that.
[2:01:39] Mm-hmm we saw this and then we kinda, you know, there's a break
[2:01:42] We have that break.
[2:01:43] And then the C I P.
[2:01:44] And then
[2:01:45] we're back here tonight for the second meeting.
[2:01:48] The, this is for a lot line adjustment and open space subdivision for the
[2:01:52] redevelopment of property located at five Brentwood road they're drive.
[2:01:55] There used to be.
[2:01:56] A a greenhouse there and some.
[2:01:59] The project includes a new roadway, underground utilities and drainage structures.
[2:02:03] The TRC reviewed the plans and materials submitted to the planning office.
[2:02:07] Back in may.
[2:02:09] And an overview of the proposed prod project was presented.
[2:02:13] Items that we discussed with 20 foot versus 24 foot road, et cetera.
[2:02:19] It did also go to the, and I'll get to that in a second
[2:02:21] but it, it also went to the conservation commission.
[2:02:25] And they voted unanimously to recommend approval.
[2:02:28] At their July meeting of the conditional use permit.
[2:02:31] And I,
[2:02:32] there was a, should be a memo.
[2:02:35] Included with the packet.
[2:02:37] The applicant did submit a new plan set.
[2:02:39] I've you know, the Chan, I just got back from vacation.
[2:02:42] So I have a.
[2:02:43] Chance to review it a little bit.
[2:02:45] It addressed a.
[2:02:48] Few items.
[2:02:48] There's still a few things worth pointing out.
[2:02:51] One is the width of the roadway and the requirement for his shoulders.
[2:02:55] You have a Underwood engineers review letter that I haven't got to them that
[2:02:58] I just got to you earlier.
[2:02:59] I haven't gotten a chance to give to them cuz we just got it
[2:03:03] That, that lists out a couple, a handful of still outstanding remaining items.
[2:03:07] And one is regarding the 24 foot width of the roadway.
[2:03:11] Where 20 foot they they're proposing a 20 foot wide road or 24 is
[2:03:15] required.
[2:03:16] There's no shoulder on one side.
[2:03:19] They need to submit waivers for that in writing, according to our regs, we
[2:03:22] have not, we don't have any waivers in writing.
[2:03:25] I do not believe.
[2:03:27] Also only two of the six driveways off the cul-de-sac shown with small turnaround
[2:03:31] areas.
[2:03:31] So you don't have to back out into a.
[2:03:33] Public street.
[2:03:34] So if they are proposing it to be public, then it can't back out
[2:03:38] If it stays 20 feet and they ask for a waiver, then they can
[2:03:41] keep it as a private road.
[2:03:42] Then that provision for backing out on the street, doesn't apply.
[2:03:45] If it's a private road, it's.
[2:03:47] It's only on public roads,
[2:03:48] but that's where the, you know, a discussion with them.
[2:03:51] There's some other things about some conflicts with landscaping and.
[2:03:55] Utilities, but
[2:03:57] nothing, they can't be overcome there.
[2:03:58] And then there's some discussion about some storm water that, you know, in engineering
[2:04:02] details.
[2:04:03] Details
[2:04:04] and that's, and that's all I have for now.
[2:04:07] Okay, thank you.
[2:04:07] Thank you.
[2:04:08] Well, Christian, you're still here.
[2:04:10] Yes.
[2:04:11] Unfortunately for you.
[2:04:12] I am.
[2:04:13] Oh, no. Still Christian Smith with Beales associates. And I'm representing this applicant on this
[2:04:18] project as well.
[2:04:19] With me tonight, the audience is John O'Neill from stone arch development.
[2:04:24] And Michael Green from the greening company.
[2:04:26] And
[2:04:28] so David kind of went through and I, I think it is.
[2:04:33] I think it was an initial tack after
[2:04:36] TRC.
[2:04:38] That the applicants wanted to go with a, with a public road here.
[2:04:42] We have reviewed the configuration with the fire department.
[2:04:45] And from a life safety perspective, they have no issue with it.
[2:04:49] But I think
[2:04:52] the easier course and
[2:04:54] the, the one more amenable to the applicants at this time.
[2:04:58] Would be to just propose this then as a, as a private drive.
[2:05:02] I mean, it's, it's a very small road.
[2:05:04] I'm sure.
[2:05:05] D P w probably doesn't want to take care of it in any event
[2:05:10] But that being said, we did.
[2:05:13] Attend a conservation commission.
[2:05:15] And planning board combination sidewalk.
[2:05:19] At which time we did review the configuration that we have here, which.
[2:05:24] Now proposes two of the buildings.
[2:05:26] Buildings off McKay.
[2:05:29] While there were a couple of co commissioners that were not thrilled about a
[2:05:31] second.
[2:05:32] Law or a second house coming off of McKay drive.
[2:05:36] It seemed that the contingent of planning board members.
[2:05:40] Actually preferred that to spread out the houses a little bit.
[2:05:43] Added a forwarded us to.
[2:05:46] To maintain that 50 foot setback.
[2:05:48] Particularly to our, our butter to the east and south, excuse me, west and
[2:05:54] south.
[2:05:56] We still have the waiver request in for.
[2:05:59] The, the setback
[2:06:01] adjacent.
[2:06:02] To the lot that we are creating, though, that's not apparent.
[2:06:05] Parcel boundary.
[2:06:06] So I'm not even sure that's required.
[2:06:09] Required, but anyway,
[2:06:10] moving on.
[2:06:11] So we're still proposing.
[2:06:14] Eight units.
[2:06:15] Six now would be off the cul-de-sac two would come off McKay.
[2:06:19] And we have proposed the.
[2:06:23] Basically a very, very firm.
[2:06:25] Limit of clearing and limit of what would be maintained potentially.
[2:06:30] As a lawn space for these folks.
[2:06:33] We do have a
[2:06:35] collection system because the curbing is proposed on the road now.
[2:06:39] That goes through hard pipe.
[2:06:42] Into a, for bay and into a, for this project, a fairly large bio
[2:06:46] retention pond.
[2:06:47] Which is one of the, the better
[2:06:51] BMP stormwater treatment facilities.
[2:06:54] That meet all of the criteria.
[2:06:56] In 9.3, the Exeter stormwater regulations.
[2:07:00] I believe we reviewed the, the yield plan at the prior meeting.
[2:07:05] And
[2:07:07] based on
[2:07:09] what we're putting into conservation.
[2:07:11] And if you look at the property, you can kind of see the shading
[2:07:14] It's a, just a slanted hatch.
[2:07:16] But all of this area.
[2:07:20] Is proposed to be conserved.
[2:07:22] And if you've read the conservation commission's memo from the sidewalk.
[2:07:27] They were actually quite amenable to.
[2:07:30] Taking that land because I believe it connects to.
[2:07:33] Conservation land either here or over here, but.
[2:07:36] That the conservation commission would actually take on the stewardship of, of that property
[2:07:41] as well.
[2:07:44] So that being said, we, you know, with, with the yield plan,
[2:07:49] we
[2:07:50] result in a 0.7.
[2:07:53] Bonus unit.
[2:07:54] So we would.
[2:07:56] Then round that up to result in the eight units that you are shown
[2:07:59] here.
[2:08:03] Anything else
[2:08:04] of note from the conservation commission?
[2:08:07] I don't think so.
[2:08:10] Very very minor change.
[2:08:12] Aside from the, the one.
[2:08:15] Home being relocated to McKay drive.
[2:08:18] And
[2:08:19] all of the homes to the south and west now meeting the, the 50
[2:08:22] foot setback to the parent parcel.
[2:08:25] And with that, I'll entertain questions, comments from the board.
[2:08:29] Okay.
[2:08:32] Questions comments.
[2:08:34] Comments
[2:08:36] I'll start really?
[2:08:37] I know, come up.
[2:08:39] I'm curious as to why there's a driveway going into the.
[2:08:42] Neighboring the lot.
[2:08:43] That's on existing lot.
[2:08:44] That's on Brentwood road.
[2:08:47] Simply because that Gwen is part of the, the lot line adjustment with that
[2:08:51] parcel.
[2:08:51] He is.
[2:08:53] The son of the owner of this property.
[2:08:56] And he asked if
[2:08:58] he would prefer a driveway off of the new road as opposed to Brentwood
[2:09:01] road due to vehicles.
[2:09:02] So will he eliminate.
[2:09:04] The driveway off that I don't know what a plan is.
[2:09:07] He's adding a two car garage.
[2:09:09] And I'm not sure if he's going to eliminate that if it's gonna be
[2:09:12] side load, but certainly he can't have a driveway on both.
[2:09:14] So we'll have to figure that out.
[2:09:15] Figure that one out.
[2:09:16] Okay.
[2:09:17] So.
[2:09:17] Unknown
[2:09:19] and on your houses.
[2:09:21] There's a little
[2:09:23] narrow.
[2:09:24] Outline going around the perimeter of the house itself or is that the storm
[2:09:29] drip edge or is that yes, that, so.
[2:09:32] All those have drift edges.
[2:09:34] Edges
[2:09:35] is that correct?
[2:09:37] Oh, no, I'm sorry, Gwen.
[2:09:39] Those are the Eves.
[2:09:40] The, the only one proposed with drip edge at this point in time.
[2:09:44] Would be the one number 11, 11.
[2:09:47] Why did you, why did you eliminate.
[2:09:50] Didn't they have 'em before?
[2:09:52] Not, not every one of them did.
[2:09:54] I think a couple of, more of them did.
[2:09:57] But I believe they were eliminated based on the relocation and removing one of
[2:10:02] those units and putting it on McKay.
[2:10:04] Now more of the, the house structures drained directly to the, the buyer retention
[2:10:09] pond.
[2:10:13] Hmm.
[2:10:15] Okay.
[2:10:17] So this, this again is.
[2:10:19] A private road off Brentwood road.
[2:10:22] That, that is what
[2:10:24] the, the applicant is contemplating and thinking at this point.
[2:10:27] No. Yes. And the other two of course are a driveway. So.
[2:10:31] Yes, same idea.
[2:10:32] Yep.
[2:10:32] Yep.
[2:10:38] It was the proposed eight foot high vinyl fence.
[2:10:42] Was that something that was agreed to by.
[2:10:45] The applicant and
[2:10:47] a butters or was that
[2:10:50] yeah.
[2:10:51] That was, yeah, I, I believe John and the, the owner of the house
[2:10:55] that's getting a lot line investment, getting a little more land.
[2:10:59] Work that out with those that's what they wanted.
[2:11:00] Yeah.
[2:11:00] And they were all also consulted on the.
[2:11:04] Final landscape plan that was proposed.
[2:11:06] Okay,
[2:11:07] well, something similar to that on the development.
[2:11:09] That's off little river road.
[2:11:12] Yes, I think we put in a expert vegetated, but yep.
[2:11:16] And then hoping that will grow up and maybe.
[2:11:19] Eliminate the need for the vinyl fence, but I just was curious how that
[2:11:24] Came about
[2:11:27] you have 4, 6, 5 decks that are in, within the.
[2:11:33] 75 foot building wetland buffer.
[2:11:36] Is there any way that, that, that, that those can be.
[2:11:42] I think those are actually patios.
[2:11:44] Gwen, are they?
[2:11:45] Those are, oh, those are decks.
[2:11:47] You're right.
[2:11:47] Those deck.
[2:11:47] Yeah.
[2:11:48] Just can't see.
[2:11:49] The hatch at the scale
[2:11:50] and it's so out of focus on the screen, it's.
[2:11:54] It's difficult to tell.
[2:11:55] Yeah, kind of is .
[2:11:57] That's okay.
[2:12:05] Which just like to keep things out of the buffer.
[2:12:10] So it's the three on the lower two on the McKay.
[2:12:13] I think.
[2:12:15] Are both two on McKay and I think one.
[2:12:19] And three actually.
[2:12:22] And the other section.
[2:12:24] Five seven and nine.
[2:12:25] Yep.
[2:12:26] Five seven and nine.
[2:12:29] Yep.
[2:12:29] Got it.
[2:12:29] Just wondering if you can.
[2:12:32] Do something to eliminate that.
[2:12:40] Yeah, actually, that's a valid point, Gwen, because.
[2:12:43] When we, when we designed this, we were assuming the, the right of way
[2:12:46] was the setback.
[2:12:48] This goes private.
[2:12:49] The, the setback then goes from the edge of pavement.
[2:12:53] So actually I believe we can pull those units forward.
[2:12:57] And, and accomplish that.
[2:12:58] Okay, great.
[2:13:01] Okay.
[2:13:08] School bus stop, I guess.
[2:13:10] I don't know if you've got to that point.
[2:13:11] I'm guessing kids would have to come down Brentwood road.
[2:13:14] That is our as.
[2:13:15] Assumption and
[2:13:16] don't know that yet.
[2:13:21] The sidewalks on the other side of the road?
[2:13:22] Yeah, the sidewalk.
[2:13:33] Yeah.
[2:13:33] Can I ask on that?
[2:13:34] If we're on that,
[2:13:35] does that a mid-block crossing you're proposing.
[2:13:38] I'm not really sure.
[2:13:39] What sun subdivision site plan B at the end of the sidewalk, you show
[2:13:42] two dark lines.
[2:13:44] Cross, hold on.
[2:13:45] If that's the case.
[2:13:47] On the site, PL subdivision site plan, look at the subdivision site plan B
[2:13:50] Yep.
[2:13:51] Mm-hmm .
[2:13:56] Oh, that's better.
[2:13:57] Yeah.
[2:13:58] Oh, yeah.
[2:14:13] Next one.
[2:14:14] Yep.
[2:14:15] Keep going.
[2:14:17] Slate.
[2:14:21] One more
[2:14:22] overall
[2:14:23] a
[2:14:24] these and extra B next one.
[2:14:25] There is.
[2:14:25] There you go.
[2:14:26] There it is.
[2:14:27] What is that down at the end end of the sidewalk going across Brentwood
[2:14:32] There's two lines.
[2:14:33] I think that is a crosswalk.
[2:14:34] That was that.
[2:14:36] Came out of TRC, David.
[2:14:40] Yeah, I remember discussing it, but I don't remember.
[2:14:42] We, someone said put it in.
[2:14:45] Cause it looks like this curbing the conflict.
[2:14:46] Is it a tip down and.
[2:14:49] Well, yeah, the, the
[2:14:51] basically where that there's gonna be a handicap accessible landing.
[2:14:55] Yeah.At the end of that.
[2:14:56] So the curbing would tip down before you get there.
[2:14:59] Yeah.
[2:14:59] Yeah.
[2:15:00] And then yes, just painted lines across.
[2:15:03] To the sidewalk on the other side of the road.
[2:15:05] Okay.
[2:15:06] But in, in the event of.
[2:15:10] A private roadway.
[2:15:12] I guess internal sidewalks that aren't even required.
[2:15:16] Well, it's no, it's a newly created street.
[2:15:18] It doesn't matter if it's private or public.
[2:15:19] Okay.
[2:15:20] But
[2:15:21] in that case, you gotta, you get out of a lot.
[2:15:23] Of stuff by making it private.
[2:15:24] I thought that was D P w what it was actually talking about putting
[2:15:28] in that crosswalk.
[2:15:29] Yeah, I heard, I remember that, but I don't remember it saying.
[2:15:31] Put it in because just, just an issue with you gotta be very careful
[2:15:34] with mid-block crossings and where you put 'em and what kind of signage goes
[2:15:38] with them?
[2:15:38] Is it a rapid rec.
[2:15:40] Rectangular rapid flash and beacon.
[2:15:41] Do you put up there?
[2:15:42] I mean, that's what I would, the speeds.
[2:15:43] Yeah, you probably that's right.
[2:15:44] That's why I brought it up.
[2:15:46] So, so.
[2:15:48] I think we need a little more
[2:15:49] consideration on that instead of just the two lines without any additional, unless there's
[2:15:54] information.
[2:15:56] There
[2:15:56] more detail than just what I'm seeing.
[2:15:59] There's no detail on what that crossing's gonna be as far as approach signage
[2:16:04] or.
[2:16:05] Flashing beacon or anything like that.
[2:16:06] Right.
[2:16:08] Yeah, Christian check.
[2:16:12] Would it
[2:16:16] yeah, no, but that, that is, that is definitively.
[2:16:19] Yeah.
[2:16:20] And that's just the lighting.
[2:16:24] That is definitively gonna want be an addition to.
[2:16:29] Yeah.
[2:16:29] If, and if, you know,
[2:16:32] we'd even that's the appropriate spot for it.
[2:16:35] I mean, I, I know there's a sidewalk there, but midblock, crossing's just gotta
[2:16:38] you gotta take a lot of consideration.
[2:16:39] Oh yeah.
[2:16:40] Understood Karen determining if, if they're gonna go there, you know, speeds on that
[2:16:44] road and so forth at that.
[2:16:45] Well, I think the issue was they wanted the CRO. They wanted the sidewalk
[2:16:48] On this road.
[2:16:49] Yeah.
[2:16:49] And there's no sidewalk on that side of the street.
[2:16:52] No understood.
[2:16:52] So they wanted us to get them to the actual sidewalk on Brentwood road
[2:16:57] So I will,
[2:16:58] I will consult a, a traffic consultant.
[2:17:01] A traffic engineer
[2:17:02] and they, they will give us the appropriate.
[2:17:06] Distances down each side of the road, that those are should go.
[2:17:08] Yeah.
[2:17:08] And whatever.
[2:17:10] Infrastructure and to make it safe.
[2:17:11] Yep.
[2:17:12] Yep.
[2:17:12] Regarding, because then I'm assuming we'll, we'll take that over because.
[2:17:16] That that's on a town road.
[2:17:17] Yes.
[2:17:17] So any infrastructure that will be ours it's regarding that infrastructure.
[2:17:22] Change there.
[2:17:22] You said the flashing beacon.
[2:17:23] Also, if that's a bump out, I'm not sure what the spaces would be
[2:17:27] needed, but if that could be.
[2:17:29] You know,
[2:17:30] a smaller version, what we have downtown.
[2:17:34] I don't know what it's gonna be.
[2:17:35] That's why I'm asking.
[2:17:35] Yeah.
[2:17:36] They're not proposing any detail at this point.
[2:17:38] So yeah, I'm just saying things to keep in mind on that.
[2:17:41] Bump out too.
[2:17:41] So it's also.
[2:17:43] Shortens the crossing distance and is a visual, additional visual indicator to cars that
[2:17:47] there's something going on there besides the flashing beacon.
[2:17:51] And, and can I
[2:17:53] Dave, could I suggest also that it seems to me that
[2:17:56] the decision on whether a crosswalk should be long on Brentwood road at that
[2:18:00] location.
[2:18:01] Is more of a town
[2:18:03] decision.
[2:18:03] Does it make sense?
[2:18:04] Does it, you know, I don't know if that's come from planning or public
[2:18:07] works or whatever, but it may.
[2:18:09] Make sense for this
[2:18:11] project.
[2:18:12] But it may not make, there may be other locations that need crosswalks on
[2:18:15] Brentwood road.
[2:18:17] That the town should really have more.
[2:18:20] Say on than us focusing on.
[2:18:22] This part, cuz maybe, maybe putting this in will preclude.
[2:18:26] Another crosswalk that needs to go.
[2:18:29] To a, oh, well, this would be, they would they're being, so they would
[2:18:33] fund this.
[2:18:34] I understand.
[2:18:34] But I'm saying I'm.
[2:18:36] I'm they can pay for something and put it in.
[2:18:37] Then we can find out that.
[2:18:39] Well, gee, you know,
[2:18:41] if there was a need for a Crosswork, it might have been.
[2:18:44] 300 yards down the road.
[2:18:45] I, I don't know that.
[2:18:45] I'm just saying.
[2:18:47] That it, it should be more of a, you know, is it something that
[2:18:51] Planning or the public works or somebody agrees that that makes sense.
[2:18:55] Well, that's what I'm saying.
[2:18:56] I think the discussion was that that they would like to see it.
[2:18:59] Okay.
[2:18:59] The public works representatives at the TRC.
[2:19:02] Would they like to.
[2:19:03] See it, what I was following up on is there's really no detail.
[2:19:06] Yeah.
[2:19:07] And there needs to be more detail about what this crossing and to make
[2:19:10] sure it's safe.
[2:19:11] Because with this, I don't really know what, what is being proposed here.
[2:19:15] Okay.
[2:19:15] So public works has already said, this is the best location they want.
[2:19:18] They like it.
[2:19:18] Well, that's what they.
[2:19:20] Suggested at the TRC.
[2:19:21] Now that Christian reminded me, but I was just asking about let's at the
[2:19:25] TRC.
[2:19:28] We make comments, but then they don't come back.They.
[2:19:28] Go to the planning board.
[2:19:29] And then we, you know, I, I try to make sure any.
[2:19:32] Like that.
[2:19:33] That's why I'm like, well, we need more detail on that.
[2:19:35] Oh, yep.
[2:19:36] So could I just follow up with that?
[2:19:37] And just once the more detail is provided will D P w look at
[2:19:41] that.
[2:19:42] The additional detail.
[2:19:43] We usually.
[2:19:45] Get plans for them and send them to them.
[2:19:46] Yeah.
[2:19:46] Oh, just checking.
[2:19:47] Yeah.
[2:19:48] Yeah.
[2:19:48] Thank you.
[2:19:51] Anything in there right away, we pay particularly attention to as well.
[2:19:53] Yeah, I just.
[2:19:55] This is an interior to the people that road.
[2:19:57] This is gonna happen on Brentwood on Brentwood road.
[2:20:00] They will be included.
[2:20:01] Yes.
[2:20:02] Yes.
[2:20:02] Good for the public to know that it will be looked at again.
[2:20:06] It's great that we get people to cross, you know, I I'm all for
[2:20:09] crossing, but I just wanna make sure it's a safe situation.
[2:20:13] Yeah, other than,
[2:20:14] yeah.
[2:20:17] Now I have to drive it, look prospects.
[2:20:19] Cause I, yeah, I took up a lot of oxygen there and what's that
[2:20:22] I said, I just took up a lot of oxygen.
[2:20:24] So I'll stop.
[2:20:24] No, no, no. It's all important stuff.
[2:20:27] I just said, I.
[2:20:29] Am trying to visualize what we have for crosswalks on that.
[2:20:33] I drive it kind of frequently.
[2:20:33] Stretch.
[2:20:34] Right?
[2:20:35] So 20 there aren't any aren't there's not, it's just at, I understand at
[2:20:39] the intersection square where the new.
[2:20:41] The whole, yeah.
[2:20:42] Yeah.
[2:20:42] And then also that's what I was thinking.
[2:20:43] The sidewalk ends.
[2:20:45] Ends at Washington road.
[2:20:46] You scroll down.
[2:20:47] Oh, you can't scroll down, but it ends.
[2:20:49] Ends right there, right near there.
[2:20:50] So this makes sense because.
[2:20:52] If it's six units.
[2:20:55] There, you know, 12 people.
[2:20:58] 12 to 20 people living there.
[2:21:00] However many,
[2:21:02] the other side of the road is where the crosswalk is.
[2:21:04] So like accessibility for that is.
[2:21:07] Yeah, I think that what makes sense.
[2:21:08] Yeah.
[2:21:08] But yeah, apparently road is.
[2:21:11] The dodgy.
[2:21:13] Yeah,
[2:21:15] horrible.
[2:21:19] Okay.
[2:21:27] Do you have the
[2:21:28] confirmation commission law.
[2:21:30] Yeah.
[2:21:32] I can't find one anywhere.
[2:21:34] I've got, I'm working off a three packet here.
[2:21:49] Okay, thank you.
[2:21:52] I have a question just because it's been a while since we've looked at
[2:21:55] this, can we approve the yield plan?
[2:21:58] At the last meeting.
[2:21:59] I can't remember.
[2:22:00] No, we did not.
[2:22:01] So should we look at the yield plan?
[2:22:04] Uhoh
[2:22:05] I don't have any, you should it's we should.
[2:22:07] Yeah, because we need to approve that before we can approve the.
[2:22:10] Yeah,
[2:22:11] you need to, it says accept.
[2:22:13] I believe, read to accept it.
[2:22:14] Okay.
[2:22:15] Accept.
[2:22:16] Cause I feel like first time we at have to make a formal.
[2:22:19] Lot of the times we'll make a formal vote.
[2:22:20] But if you, if you approve the plan, then you've accepted the yield plan
[2:22:24] Yeah.
[2:22:24] You know, if, if you have any issues, you should discuss it and.
[2:22:27] Have that discussion now.
[2:22:28] Yeah.
[2:22:28] Okay.
[2:22:29] Yeah.
[2:22:29] I seem to remember that there were some concerns and we were gonna go
[2:22:32] look at the site.
[2:22:33] And I don't know if we've addressed all the concerns.
[2:22:36] I didn't bring one with me.
[2:22:40] Yeah,
[2:22:42] the old, the yield plan for this project.
[2:22:45] I probably have it, but I'm, I'm all over the place tonight.
[2:22:48] I can't.
[2:22:49] Thank, can you kinda keep that tagged?
[2:22:51] I will.
[2:22:52] Okay.
[2:22:52] What was that meeting date?
[2:22:56] Oh boy.
[2:22:56] Well, it could have been June 25th.
[2:22:59] I mean, yeah, July 9th.
[2:23:00] Was it July 9th, the ninth of the 20 June.
[2:23:02] It was July 9th.
[2:23:03] I think so.
[2:23:03] Yeah.
[2:23:04] All right.
[2:23:04] Okay.
[2:23:06] We've been the 23rd was canceled.
[2:23:08] So it was July 9th?
[2:23:09] Yes.
[2:23:09] Yep.
[2:23:10] Or.
[2:23:11] Where was the 25th?
[2:23:12] I've got the 25th.
[2:23:13] No, it was the 25th.
[2:23:15] June 25th.
[2:23:15] Yeah.
[2:23:16] I don't think you went on the July 13th.
[2:23:19] No, you weren't there.
[2:23:20] Oh, okay.
[2:23:21] You met all met once in July.
[2:23:25] Yeah, let me, let me, I'll find out definitively here in a second.
[2:23:33] Some issues though.
[2:23:35] I remember there were some issues and I just couldn't.
[2:23:37] Couldn't remember if they were resolved?
[2:23:38] Yeah.
[2:23:39] One of 'em was the.
[2:23:41] Her name winter street, Phillips waiver with a neighbor.
[2:23:47] So, yeah.
[2:23:49] But just for
[2:23:51] between meetings.
[2:23:53] Meetings people shoot.
[2:24:12] That was the 25th.
[2:24:13] Yeah.
[2:24:17] I sort of feel like there are a lot of things that.
[2:24:20] Have been brought up by U EI.
[2:24:23] I and
[2:24:25] a few things that may come up tonight that will.
[2:24:29] Be require them to come back.
[2:24:32] So maybe we can
[2:24:34] table sort of table that.
[2:24:36] Until
[2:24:38] they seen it enough to be able to respond to them.
[2:24:41] And there's a lot, there, there is a lot.
[2:24:43] And.
[2:24:45] We can keep going.
[2:24:47] This concerns or thoughts we have on this.
[2:24:52] Yeah, I am.
[2:24:56] Good idea.
[2:25:20] And one of the conservation commission notes.
[2:25:25] They noted that the wetlands were surveyed on December 22nd.
[2:25:28] And there was a question as to whether there'd been follow up inspection.
[2:25:32] Inspections by the wetland scientist to confirm the results.
[2:25:36] And was the site inspected during times appropriate to identify presence or absence of
[2:25:40] Vernal.
[2:25:41] Pool's.
[2:25:42] And I just wondered if you have.
[2:25:46] An answer.
[2:25:47] If you can.
[2:25:49] Supply us with an answer on that.
[2:25:51] Yeah, I, I, I wasn't Jack bag out there
[2:25:55] this spring.
[2:25:57] And yeah, there, there was, there was no Vernal pools found for certain.
[2:26:01] We could certainly get our.
[2:26:04] Soil and wetland scientists to.
[2:26:08] Put that into his memo, cuz
[2:26:09] I, I am not re recalling him actually adding that to his report.
[2:26:14] I did.
[2:26:15] I didn't see it.
[2:26:17] In, but I know he's been back out on site because I believe he
[2:26:21] did a couple of adjustments for us.
[2:26:24] Still laid up.
[2:26:31] Yeah.
[2:26:31] And I'm, I'm just not.
[2:26:33] Finding that in this particular calendar time.
[2:26:38] And we'll need to have.
[2:26:41] There were a lot of comments again by U EI.
[2:26:44] I on trees that were.
[2:26:47] Placed in locations that either were.
[2:26:51] Over utilities or there were some.
[2:26:54] There were several concerns in the one of the U EI letters.
[2:26:59] Well, if that's the one that came in today, I haven't even seen it
[2:26:59] Letters.
[2:27:01] Yeah.
[2:27:02] Okay.
[2:27:02] And I don't remember.
[2:27:03] I, I did look at that one.
[2:27:05] I don't know if the other one, but.
[2:27:07] That it, it sounded like there's gonna need to be a lot done to
[2:27:10] revise the landscape plan.
[2:27:15] And you'll see that when you.
[2:27:18] See the letter from U EI.
[2:27:21] I, I don't know.
[2:27:23] Let me just see
[2:27:26] oh, wait a minute.
[2:27:30] Three.
[2:27:35] Yes,
[2:27:36] it is.
[2:27:36] It's on page three of the recent U E I.
[2:27:40] Letter
[2:27:51] I like 1, 2, 3, what was five, five different points.
[2:27:56] Of trees that need to be moved.
[2:27:58] And I guess, I guess in follow up to that, I would.
[2:28:02] Request that
[2:28:05] trees that they're seeing need to be removed.
[2:28:07] If those could be.
[2:28:09] And this this lot has been pretty heavily.
[2:28:12] Cleared.
[2:28:14] And I would like to
[2:28:16] not see trees just removed and forgotten about, I'd like to see them.
[2:28:20] Put somewhere else.
[2:28:22] And try to re-vegetate this as best we can.
[2:28:26] That's tough out back there.
[2:28:27] Boy, they put somebody to sit still sitting in the.
[2:28:31] Bucket and, you know, they were small trees at one time.
[2:28:33] Yeah.
[2:28:33] So it's that kind of a mishmash up there?
[2:28:35] Yes, there's no.
[2:28:37] No order to right.
[2:28:38] Yeah.
[2:28:55] Anything else we need to be looking at.
[2:29:00] I have a question on the conservation.
[2:29:02] Commission letter from August 12th.
[2:29:05] 12th.
[2:29:05] It's the last paragraph.
[2:29:08] Thank you.
[2:29:09] Are we supposed to be getting more information from the applicant?
[2:29:13] On the language of the conservation land.
[2:29:19] They voted unanimously that they support in concept.
[2:29:22] Yeah.
[2:29:24] Right.
[2:29:24] They were looking for.
[2:29:26] What that language would actually be.
[2:29:30] The charm.
[2:29:31] So isn't that something eventually comes to you, Dave, that it, well, Kristen.
[2:29:37] And
[2:29:38] I can't see you.
[2:29:39] Yeah.
[2:29:41] So that those planning board doesn't have to look at that.
[2:29:43] That's something that happens really.
[2:29:46] What happens?
[2:29:46] Oh, you can.
[2:29:47] Yeah.
[2:29:47] Okay.
[2:29:48] Well, no, but typically it would just.
[2:29:51] Well, yeah, because we don't even know what kind, what it is.
[2:29:54] It says what type of deed.
[2:29:56] Easement terms, conservation boundary, correct?
[2:30:00] Yeah.
[2:30:00] There's a few questions.
[2:30:02] So at some point I would like to know what.
[2:30:05] What the crime is for the bonus is if the conservation commission is willing
[2:30:10] to accept the land, you can get a bonus.
[2:30:13] Mm.
[2:30:13] Mm-hmm a density bonus.
[2:30:14] Mm-hmm and, and they are willing to accept it in concepts, in concept
[2:30:18] move along with showing a units instead of.
[2:30:21] Seven one is the density bonus.
[2:30:24] But yet at some point we, we need to know what that yeah, because
[2:30:28] in constant Pete actually is gonna say yes.
[2:30:30] Yeah.
[2:30:31] So if we can get that clarified at some point,
[2:30:34] yeah.
[2:30:35] I mean, typically the.
[2:30:37] The concert or excuse me, the.
[2:30:39] Easement documents, conservation documents.
[2:30:42] Those get done.
[2:30:44] Once we're
[2:30:45] stopping, moving trees, things of that.
[2:30:47] Yep.
[2:30:47] Got it.
[2:30:48] Just we're we're checking off a list of what we're looking for and that
[2:30:52] is.
[2:30:52] Something that absolutely they were, they didn't have.
[2:30:56] The information when you talked to them, I watched the meeting, right.
[2:30:59] Because, and that was one of the things that got worked out at the
[2:31:02] sidewalk is because we don't know if they.
[2:31:04] Want
[2:31:05] and conservation easement and.
[2:31:08] Deed restriction, et cetera, et cetera.
[2:31:10] Until we work with them and I think we understand what they're gonna be
[2:31:14] comfortable with.
[2:31:15] And now it's just a matter of John to get his attorneys to.
[2:31:19] Draft the appropriate language.
[2:31:20] Great.
[2:31:20] Yeah.
[2:31:22] How about number three commission also noted strong preference to adopt this plan.
[2:31:27] As presented, avoiding the development of the second lad off.
[2:31:31] Of McKay drive in order to preserve larger contiguous wetland and wetland buffer complex
[2:31:35] without encroachments.
[2:31:38] To support settlement retention.
[2:31:40] And encourage groundwater recharge.
[2:31:43] Yeah, that was one of the points of my.
[2:31:46] Introduction Mr. Chairman.
[2:31:48] And
[2:31:50] while there were a couple of commissioners that were not thrilled about that,
[2:31:54] the, the contingent of.
[2:31:56] Planning board members.
[2:31:57] Now I wasn't at the sidewalk.
[2:31:58] My, my.
[2:32:00] Senior engineer.
[2:32:01] We noticed that John Morgan.
[2:32:04] Morton.
[2:32:04] He was very good by the way.
[2:32:06] He said that a number of planning board members, and maybe it was just
[2:32:10] a couple planning board members.
[2:32:13] I don't even know how many of you were able to make it outthere.
[2:32:14] But we're actually very much in favor of that.
[2:32:17] Second unit out on McKay drive.
[2:32:19] Yeah.
[2:32:20] Because,
[2:32:21] you know, it's, it is not affecting wetlands itself.
[2:32:24] Right.
[2:32:25] And the buffers on those two front.
[2:32:28] Proposed thousands out there.
[2:32:31] You know, they're, they're just, they're not in that great shape because they're right
[2:32:35] next to paragraph.
[2:32:36] Photograph, but anyway.
[2:32:38] Okay.
[2:32:38] Yep.
[2:32:39] Yep.
[2:32:39] We, we understood what the conservation commission's.
[2:32:43] Physician was it, it just seemed that this board's.
[2:32:46] Board's position or the agents that were there were, were counter to that.
[2:32:50] So that's what we ended.
[2:32:57] We always request
[2:32:59] the marking of trees that are over.
[2:33:02] 20 inches in diameter.
[2:33:05] To be noted on the existing condition plan.
[2:33:08] I know that this site was.
[2:33:10] Cleared , but I don't know about the two lots on McKay.
[2:33:15] I, I didn't notice.
[2:33:16] Yeah.
[2:33:16] I, I will check.
[2:33:17] Can you check and see if they're in?
[2:33:18] Yeah, I'll take a look at that because I, I know that.
[2:33:23] That civil works is aware of that requirement.
[2:33:26] Yep.
[2:33:26] Yeah.
[2:33:27] I I was on the sidewalk
[2:33:29] could well be Glen that they, they picked him off with the survey.
[2:33:33] Points, but didn't process it through text that shows up on the drawing.
[2:33:37] I'll double check mm-hmm I'll mark.
[2:33:38] That that would be great.
[2:33:39] Yeah, you did show three.
[2:33:41] Coniferous trees on the
[2:33:44] existing conditions plan.
[2:33:45] We thought those were them.
[2:33:47] But anyway, they, they didn't identify 'em as 20 inches or better, but
[2:33:51] OUS trees they're on.
[2:33:54] They're on sheet.
[2:33:56] Well, they're on multiple sheets.
[2:33:57] They're on the lot line adjustment sheet,
[2:33:59] existing conditions.
[2:34:00] Yeah.
[2:34:01] So I thought those I'll have exist to find out well, we'll confirm that
[2:34:05] but I thought that's all that exists.
[2:34:06] Right?
[2:34:07] Which ones meet the 20 inches and which ones do.
[2:34:09] Not
[2:34:10] because we talked about that at the TRC as well.
[2:34:19] Thank you.
[2:34:19] Other questions, concerns.
[2:34:26] No, just if we can get a response to the letter that was handed
[2:34:29] out tonight.
[2:34:31] You know, before
[2:34:33] with time to review it before our next oh, that was this one here
[2:34:35] Yeah.
[2:34:36] Okay.
[2:34:36] Yes.
[2:34:37] We had a handout.
[2:34:38] No, I'll put it someplace.
[2:34:39] Oh, it's over here.
[2:34:40] Yep.
[2:34:45] Anybody from the public, let me open it to the public.
[2:34:47] Anybody in the public like to speak about this particular project?
[2:34:54] Don't all speaker once.
[2:35:03] well hearing none, then we're all set with the, at this point, I'll close
[2:35:06] Well, I'll leave it open.
[2:35:09] So just, I know we'll probably look at the yield plan at the next
[2:35:12] meeting, but just to be clear is so the yield plan dated
[2:35:16] February 20.
[2:35:17] 26.
[2:35:18] Is that the one we're using?
[2:35:21] Cause I'm only seeing
[2:35:23] I'm seeing nine lots on that one.
[2:35:25] And then 10 lots on the proposed.
[2:35:28] But maybe I miscounting.
[2:35:30] This should only be seven.
[2:35:33] Well, so I'm including the two lots on the street.
[2:35:36] Oh, the lots, the, the lot line adjustment lot.
[2:35:38] And then the lots being carved.
[2:35:39] Right.
[2:35:40] So, yeah.
[2:35:41] So.
[2:35:41] There should be nine seven.
[2:35:43] New lots.
[2:35:44] Yeah.
[2:35:46] And then there's eight new lots.
[2:35:47] Are there eight new lots on your proposed plans?
[2:35:49] Eight new buildings.
[2:35:50] Yes.
[2:35:50] Yes, because we're, we're proposing.
[2:35:53] To enact the 10% density bonus.
[2:35:57] Based on the fact that we're putting over 50% of the land in the
[2:35:59] conservation.
[2:36:00] Got it.
[2:36:00] Okay.
[2:36:01] I think I, and doesn't one of the units exist the bottom, right?
[2:36:04] One you're counting as.
[2:36:05] A unit in the yield plant.
[2:36:06] Yes.
[2:36:06] Don't you move that lot line.
[2:36:10] That's what I thought.
[2:36:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:36:12] Okay.
[2:36:12] Yes.
[2:36:13] Just.
[2:36:16] So there's already one of those long units.
[2:36:19] There.
[2:36:19] Okay.
[2:36:21] So, you know, when you get to yeah, so you get to nine, but
[2:36:24] it's actually eight new ones cuz one of 'em already exists.
[2:36:27] Right?
[2:36:27] Okay.
[2:36:28] So the bonus gets you nine?
[2:36:30] No, the bonus gets you the eighth one bonus gets you eight new ones
[2:36:34] Eight new ones.
[2:36:35] Yeah.
[2:36:35] Yeah.
[2:36:36] Remaining.
[2:36:36] Land
[2:36:37] after subdividing off the parcel that used to have all the greenhouses
[2:36:42] you could get.
[2:36:43] But on top, there's already.
[2:36:45] One existing.
[2:36:45] So it's a little confusing.
[2:36:46] I'm gonna take your work a little bit.
[2:36:47] Yeah.
[2:36:48] I, I don't know what happened tonight, but yes.
[2:36:50] Okay.
[2:36:50] Yeah.
[2:36:51] I think what you need to, you know, just, just.
[2:36:54] Do you like, you know, the, the, the yield plan.
[2:36:57] Where the lots and the configured do they meet the zoning mm-hmm and
[2:36:59] so forth?
[2:37:00] Mm-hmm that's what you determine.
[2:37:04] One, one really quick question.
[2:37:07] On mm-hmm the lighting plan.
[2:37:08] You have a light.
[2:37:10] At the end of the road at the intersection?
[2:37:12] Yes.
[2:37:12] Is that that's not a, like a regular utility pole.
[2:37:16] It's the pole Mount.
[2:37:18] That you have pictured, correct.
[2:37:19] That's looked at is yep.
[2:37:20] Okay.
[2:37:20] That's what I thought.
[2:37:22] Okay.
[2:37:24] What's the condominium like
[2:37:27] yeah, pretty much.
[2:37:31] That's it.
[2:37:32] All right.
[2:37:43] What's interesting.
[2:37:44] Marty is
[2:37:45] I talked to John Bell.
[2:37:46] I was talking to.
[2:37:48] D P w and they have resurfacing.
[2:37:51] Brentwood road next year, and we're gonna do it this year, grind it, but
[2:37:54] they thought they would tie it into what we're doing.
[2:37:56] So at that point it makes a lot of sense to.
[2:37:59] Work on that, that crosswalk situation.
[2:38:02] Does that mean I have to drive up that bumpy road for the next
[2:38:05] year?
[2:38:05] Well, he's in the spring.
[2:38:06] Oh my gosh.
[2:38:07] .
[2:38:10] It's only that short piece.
[2:38:12] I think they're grinding though.
[2:38:13] I did say from the, from the dam all the way up to Crestview
[2:38:17] I think, and that's this year, and then they're gonna continue next year, which
[2:38:20] will take it up to, so you might be all right then.
[2:38:22] Great.
[2:38:23] and I just read that the bridge isn't gonna be redone until right
[2:38:28] 2032 or something.
[2:38:30] It's way.
[2:38:31] That's way off.
[2:38:33] and that's a moving target as well.
[2:38:34] Yeah, that's a moving target.
[2:38:36] As well main target.
[2:38:36] Yeah.
[2:38:36] Oh, well,
[2:38:37] .
[2:38:39] Just what it is.
[2:38:43] Okay.
[2:38:44] I think about a point where we.
[2:38:47] Need to continue this case.
[2:38:50] Your honor.
[2:38:52] Do we know where something continue to, to ask more or to what date
[2:38:57] To
[2:38:58] that you probably wanna talk to the applicant first couple things.
[2:39:01] May I?
[2:39:01] Yeah.
[2:39:03] First you want, it's the, it's been six since, since it's only the second
[2:39:06] meeting, but it's been, but it's been six.
[2:39:09] It's been a long time.
[2:39:10] It's been 60.
[2:39:11] Three days.
[2:39:11] So the 65 day statutory clock is up in two days.
[2:39:14] So you need to ask the, you know, applicant to agree to an extension
[2:39:18] which I believe the.
[2:39:19] You know, they got plenty to respond to here, so, but I I'll leave
[2:39:22] that to them.
[2:39:23] Okay.
[2:39:23] And I think you make sure you get that on the record, agreeing to
[2:39:26] that.
[2:39:27] And then.
[2:39:28] When would you be
[2:39:30] when you'd be able to turn around and get us plans?
[2:39:33] Plans, you know, cuz the next, for example, the next meeting is September 10th, but
[2:39:37] we need we'd need.
[2:39:39] Response to all this stuff by September 3rd.
[2:39:41] I mean, can you do that?
[2:39:42] And so by next Wednesday,
[2:39:45] That's what I'm asking or, or are you table it till September 24th?
[2:39:45] yeah.
[2:39:48] Yeah, that was the 24th.
[2:39:51] Yeah.
[2:39:52] September 20.
[2:39:52] And do you okay with a, an extension to the 65 day statutory,
[2:39:59] give us an extension.
[2:40:00] Absolutely.
[2:40:01] Thank you.
[2:40:02] Okay.
[2:40:04] So back show
[2:40:06] there.
[2:40:09] Okay.
[2:40:10] Do you want, is he looking for a motion?
[2:40:12] I couldn't hear.
[2:40:12] Can't tell.
[2:40:13] I, I, I know, I'm sorry.
[2:40:14] I couldn't hear.
[2:40:15] Okay.
[2:40:15] So I move.
[2:40:17] That we continue planning board case number.
[2:40:20] 26 dash 11.
[2:40:24] To
[2:40:25] our September 24th.
[2:40:28] 2026 meeting
[2:40:29] at 7:00 PM in the Nova room.
[2:40:34] Second second.
[2:40:35] Okay.
[2:40:35] We've got a second.
[2:40:37] Everybody in favor, please say aye.
[2:40:40] Aye.
[2:40:40] Aye.
[2:40:40] Opposed obsessions the aye heaven.
[2:40:43] Thank you.
[2:40:43] Thank you, gentlemen.
[2:40:44] Thank you.
[2:40:45] Folks ladies.
[2:40:46] Oh,
[2:40:50] well, at least we have the propensity.
[2:40:52] Next time won't be taking.
[2:40:56] You never know.
[2:40:58] Yeah.
[2:41:00] I don't even like myself.
[2:41:01] .
[2:41:05] All right.
[2:41:06] Let's see now.
[2:41:13] Thank you.
[2:41:14] Very much.
[2:41:14] Thank you.
[2:41:14] Thank you.
[2:41:15] Have a good holiday weekend.
[2:41:17] Don't forget to vote.
[2:41:19] Oh, yeah.
[2:41:19] Voting day adapted.
[2:41:21] Okay.
[2:41:21] Master plan discussion.
[2:41:23] Is there anything to discuss about master plan?
[2:41:27] Nope.
[2:41:27] Okay.
[2:41:28] Land use and regulation on just on that beat.
[2:41:31] Do we wanna schedule another meeting?
[2:41:33] Our next meeting?
[2:41:34] I thought you said.
[2:41:36] They're going to start being on the planning board meeting day.
[2:41:40] I, I, that's what I proposed that we would do that.
[2:41:42] I just.
[2:41:43] Are we all good with that?
[2:41:45] I mean, I'll, I thought everyone was, yeah.
[2:41:47] Okay.
[2:41:47] Well, we haven't sent any invitations out or anything, so I'll, I'll follow over
[2:41:50] here.
[2:41:51] With you.Okay.
[2:41:51] Now follow up with Don.
[2:41:52] Yep.
[2:41:53] Okay.
[2:41:53] Call a meeting.
[2:41:54] Okay.
[2:41:55] And hopefully we get
[2:41:58] a quorum.
[2:41:59] Yeah.
[2:41:59] Okay.
[2:42:00] That's a good segue to the quorum point.
[2:42:03] Is there an avenue?
[2:42:06] To expand that have alternates so that corn be met more regularly.
[2:42:10] I mean, is there an well.
[2:42:13] I don't suggest committees are a quorum of the planning board, cuz then you're
[2:42:16] not a committee anymore.
[2:42:17] You're the planning board.
[2:42:18] Well, I get it.
[2:42:19] So as a, as a group of seven,
[2:42:21] a quorum is four.
[2:42:23] So you want your committees usually less than a quorum?
[2:42:27] Not saying you can't do it, but usually it's like, then, then it's a
[2:42:30] planning board meeting.
[2:42:30] Yeah.
[2:42:31] So I guess I would.
[2:42:32] Meant more of like having, cause it seems like all alternates you mean?
[2:42:34] Yeah.
[2:42:34] Yeah.
[2:42:35] Alternates.
[2:42:35] It seems like the MPO C meetings.
[2:42:37] Meetings come and go because of availability.
[2:42:39] So if there's an alternate that could be on that.
[2:42:42] I'm not sure what the.
[2:42:44] Method for that to happen would be, well, it would be an adjustment to
[2:42:48] the
[2:42:49] rules of procedure, cuz that's where.
[2:42:52] Your
[2:42:53] right, right.
[2:42:54] Yeah.
[2:42:54] That's where it lives.
[2:42:55] That's where you created the N POC mm-hmm and that's where it lays
[2:42:58] forth.
[2:42:58] That there's three members and.
[2:43:00] No alternates are identified.
[2:43:02] So you'd probably want to just, you could change that and add one and
[2:43:07] I don't know, chair Mr. Chair, or if anyone knows the, the process for
[2:43:10] that, is that something that happens at a meeting tonight right here?
[2:43:13] Oh no, you, you gotta notice.
[2:43:15] It.
[2:43:15] Okay.
[2:43:16] You, you, you you'd say what you want and I, I could.
[2:43:19] Prepare like, you know, we'd have a dis let's have a discussion and maybe
[2:43:23] the next meeting, I'll just throw it on the agenda and you can discuss
[2:43:26] it.
[2:43:27] Okay.And I'll be ready.
[2:43:27] Yeah, that sounds great if that's yeah.
[2:43:29] So just to be clear, it's
[2:43:31] to, to discuss the next meeting.
[2:43:34] Adding alternates to the M P C.
[2:43:37] Adding NAL adding NAL the N POC.
[2:43:39] I dunno how many.
[2:43:40] Yeah, but then the tricky part with that is I, I didn't notice
[2:43:44] I'm thinking about it now.
[2:43:45] Cuz that just, you know, that first I heard that.
[2:43:47] Yeah.
[2:43:47] Well, if the alternate shows an all three member shows, then it's a planning
[2:43:50] board meeting.
[2:43:50] Mm-hmm so one person couldn't, I.
[2:43:53] Mean the alternate could step out or just, yeah, just not be part of
[2:43:56] the board.
[2:43:57] I, I just worry about that.
[2:43:58] Cuz then it's a planning, you know, like then the, then you have a
[2:44:01] quorum that you.
[2:44:02] Know you can, so it is just, you just avoid subcommittees having a quorum
[2:44:06] of the main board.
[2:44:07] I think we can consult.
[2:44:07] I think that can be solved for.
[2:44:10] I think it'd be worthwhile getting M POC.
[2:44:13] Having a little more regularity in that meeting if the
[2:44:16] bill having, having more regularity in that meeting, if an alternate.
[2:44:18] Yeah.
[2:44:18] I mean, they, in all fairness, they, they, they met regularly.
[2:44:21] For a very long time and you know, and it, oh yes.
[2:44:24] You know, so, and sometimes so I, I don't think, I think it's fairly
[2:44:27] new that, you know, and it was the.
[2:44:30] Summer.
[2:44:30] Yeah.
[2:44:30] And it's been the summer and, and so forth.
[2:44:32] And there hasn't been a lot of business, you know, with, with them.
[2:44:36] So, and also just thinking ahead too, to like,
[2:44:38] future master plans and just making sure that that committee can work as well
[2:44:40] as it can.
[2:44:41] Well, future master plans is a different, different, whole different issue.
[2:44:44] That's a master plan steering committee.
[2:44:46] That's not the master plan oversight committee.
[2:44:48] Oh, I know, but I'm saying that's okay.
[2:44:49] Presuming the master plan oversight committee continues in the future.
[2:44:51] If that's structured in a way to give it success by having.
[2:44:55] Appropriate.
[2:44:57] People on it, appropriate number of people on it.
[2:45:00] Yeah.
[2:45:00] I mean, I, I, you know, I mean, I'm not trying to, you know
[2:45:03] argue like, but I think we've been very successful at the master plan.
[2:45:06] The 2018 master plan was great.
[2:45:08] We we're actually doing it again because we've either completed or.
[2:45:12] Working on every, every task in there.
[2:45:15] I don't know what other town ever did that.
[2:45:16] So I, well, I, you know, I agree where you go and I, you
[2:45:19] know yeah.
[2:45:20] But.
[2:45:20] Said, I, I think that was very successful, so, and we will continue to
[2:45:24] be, yeah, we can talk about that next one.
[2:45:25] Yeah.
[2:45:26] Can I ask for a question though?
[2:45:28] I just, now I'm confused.
[2:45:29] Are we looking to add.
[2:45:31] An alternate that we already have.
[2:45:34] No that they, they ask.
[2:45:35] And I gotta look into this cause I don't recommend subcommittees having quorums of
[2:45:41] boards.
[2:45:41] That's just.
[2:45:42] No, I get it just so I'm trying to understand where the extra alternate
[2:45:45] or the alternate he was asking alternate to the M P C.
[2:45:49] So a three member, M POC, still three members, but an alternate to fill
[2:45:54] in when a regular, one of the three regular members can't attend.
[2:45:58] I got that part.
[2:45:59] I just didn't know where the alternate was coming from.
[2:46:01] So it's separately planning, planning, I would imagine.
[2:46:03] Well, that's what I'm trying to clarify it.
[2:46:05] Would've to Sam.
[2:46:06] Could sorry, Sam, I'm not volunteering you, but I'm using you as a example
[2:46:12] If Sam wanted to fill that, it would be somebody.
[2:46:15] Already on the planning board.
[2:46:16] Oh yes.
[2:46:17] I forgot to say that's a great point.
[2:46:19] Okay.
[2:46:19] But I was just going, I do my report, the next slide board meeting
[2:46:22] and committees.
[2:46:22] Don't wanna get it.
[2:46:23] Straight the subcommittees are of the, from the board.
[2:46:27] Yeah, I here, I just wanna make sure we're all on the same table
[2:46:29] Yeah.
[2:46:29] You can't get a outside resident to.
[2:46:32] Act as an all.
[2:46:32] Thank you.
[2:46:33] But if you have to be, that's not what you were saying, but if
[2:46:35] you, no, I went to three people intendance just wanna make sure.
[2:46:38] And let's assume I'm the.
[2:46:40] Alternate.
[2:46:41] So Aaron calls me one month and says,
[2:46:44] gee, I've got an appointment.
[2:46:45] Can you.
[2:46:46] Be the alternate.
[2:46:47] Can you fill in for me?
[2:46:48] Yeah.
[2:46:50] The first thing I'm gonna say is, okay guys, what'd I miss.
[2:46:53] Right.
[2:46:53] I mean, why effective is that?
[2:46:56] Because I can't,
[2:46:58] I won't be up to speed.
[2:46:58] No continuity.
[2:46:59] Yes, no continuity.
[2:47:00] They're not televised.
[2:47:02] They're not recorded.
[2:47:03] No. Okay.
[2:47:05] So only meeting
[2:47:06] medicine's so big that you can't you're right.
[2:47:08] Well, you know what?
[2:47:09] We've got.
[2:47:10] Until the next meeting to figure out the logistics.
[2:47:13] Okay.
[2:47:13] Yeah, that's put it on.
[2:47:15] We'll put it on the agenda.
[2:47:16] We'll we'll have a discussion about it.
[2:47:19] Okay.
[2:47:19] If there's, and I'll research it a little bit this way, just to see
[2:47:22] Yes, but that's a really good point, Sam.
[2:47:26] But we'll figure out how to, how to make that work out better.
[2:47:30] Okay.
[2:47:31] Okay.
[2:47:32] Any field modifications?
[2:47:34] None requested none requested.
[2:47:37] No bond letter, letter, significant reductions of releases.
[2:47:41] None requested.
[2:47:42] Okay.
[2:47:44] I'm looking for a motion to.
[2:47:47] Ajour oh, I, one thing I wanted to make it a correction to the
[2:47:50] minutes.
[2:47:50] Cause we didn't discuss the minutes from the seven, nine meeting.
[2:47:53] When that's what I was just gonna bring up.
[2:47:54] We're not tonight.
[2:47:55] It's not, no, it's not.
[2:47:56] It's it's not up for discussion tonight.
[2:47:58] We're we're it's gonna be, you're gonna get 'em in your packet and.
[2:48:01] You'll discuss 'em on the 10th.
[2:48:02] Oh, okay.
[2:48:03] Yeah.
[2:48:04] I have some too.
[2:48:04] And I think Marty did so, but there are two there's this July 9th.
[2:48:09] And the sidewalk, the June 14th sidewalk.
[2:48:11] Yeah.
[2:48:11] There's two sets of minutes that didn't get on the agenda.
[2:48:13] We didn't post it.
[2:48:14] So we're just, we're putting it on September 10th.
[2:48:16] Got it.
[2:48:16] Thank you.
[2:48:18] Okay.
[2:48:19] Motion to adjourn.
[2:48:21] All right.
[2:48:22] Good second.
[2:48:22] Thank you very much for coming this evening, everybody.
[2:48:25] We stand adjourn.
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