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Call to order this meeting in the election and planning board on Wednesday, August 19, 2026 at 6pm. For this meeting the planning board is convening by web meeting using the Zoom application. The board is meeting remotely, pursuant to the action of the legislature and governor on March 28, 2025, extending the authority for remote and hybrid meetings by public bodies. This meeting may be broadcast live on the next media and it is being

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recorded for future on-demand viewing.

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Since the meeting is being conducted as a virtual meeting using the Zoom applications,

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I will now ensure that all members of the Board and town staff who are participating can

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hear and be heard.

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Vice Chair Melanie Thompson.

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Present.

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Clerk, Kenamick Bride.

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Here.

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Board Member Michael Schombacher.

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Present.

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Board Member Lynn Jensen.

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Present.

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I associate member Michael Leon, President, Planning Director Abbie McCabe, President.

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I guess Mr. Roach is not here tonight, correct, okay, Plano Aaron Kepper, President and

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Planning Coordinator Cindy Nelson.

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President.

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Thank you.

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There will be public participation during certain portions of the meeting.

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I would like to remind all participants that we are neighbors and we are working together

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for the best interests of the community.

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I ask that comments be made with civility, respect, and without casting aspersions and

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without referencing motives.

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We are conducting a meeting using the webinar option in Zoom when possible I will give attendees

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an indication of both how many people are attending and who is attending meeting.

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Participants wishing to give public comment can use the raise hand function in Zoom.

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The raise hand function is under the reactions tab along the bottom of your Zoom screen.

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When we get to the public comment section of the meeting,

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members of the public when recognized will be able to speak.

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People are attending the meeting on their phones.

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Can you star an eye to raise the hand?

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And once recognized, you star six to unmute yourself.

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Written materials for the meeting are available on the planning board's website.

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We will be taking up the agenda as published, the sequence of the agenda is published.

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Okay.

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First this evening is a continued public hearing for Bi-Rite MBTI Communities Project at

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80 Beverage Street.

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The MBTI Communities by-law is approved by Tom Media in 2023.

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This is a public hearing for a major site plan review application for a multi-family development, which will include affordable housing in the old village, ovally district that is to say the original ovally district.

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This meeting is continued from June 24th.

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Two of the concerns raised at the June 24th hearing are the following.

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The project did not initially provide any visitor parking at first, at the first meeting

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both staff and board recommended visitor parking as an essential element in this location.

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Even though no visitor parking is specifically required, and even though the 31 parking

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spaces proposed is compliant.

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The project buildings are very close to properties on north, on the north side of the site on near

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a 2x3 street, especially nearest building F. The app that was asked to consider something

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different for building F. In response to these concerns, the submission for this meeting

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does include six visit-aparcan spaces, however the plans for building F are remain unchanged.

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I want to say something about the pace of the meeting and the timing. I would like to complete

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this hearing, no later than 730 this evening. For this hearing and for all hearings, I'm asking

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the board to make statements efficiently, keeping in mind that if each board member spoke for

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just 10 minutes at each hearing, that would take nearly an hour per hearing. Given multiple hearings

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and input from other entities, this is not sustainable. To be clear, I am not suggesting that board members

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refrain from making relevant project and planning board statements. I'm saying that your statements

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needs to be efficient and can swim only the time needed to make the point.

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This is about the pace and relevance of the communication and not about any board member

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point of view.

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Having said that, I will now go to the applicant for their presentation and comments.

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Mr. Gilgun?

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Yes.

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Good evening, Mr. Chairman.

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Members of the board, my name is Frederick Gilgun.

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I'm an attorney with Nicholson Schrader and Gilgun at 33 Bethford Street in Lexington.

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As you know, on this project, I represent James and Mary Johnston as the owners of 80 Bedford Street.

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A reintroduction of the team members, we have an architect, Chris Johns of Thoughtcraft Architects,

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the engineer Michael Novak of Patreon Engineering, the landscape architect,

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this evening is Michael DeAngelo of MDLA.

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The team members will highlight the changes that have been made to the plan set since our last hearing.

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and we will hope that you will find that we've made great efforts to accommodate many of the questions

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and concerns that were raised. Before I turn it over to the team to highlight those issues,

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I'd like to address a few issues myself. The first is that you'll see that the site plan does show a

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seven-foot-sensor fence along that northern boundary of the property. This was included at the

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increase in the height over the permitted six feet that requested it be up to eight feet.

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Our clients willing to accommodate this request, but it will require a special permit from

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the planning board.

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So we would leave it to the board if it's the board's preference if they think that the

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increase in the height of the fence is something that will benefit the project, then we'd ask

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the board to let us know the preferred height and to grant the special permit that would allow

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for that. The second thing I want to make the board aware of is that ultimately, the

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Johnston's may complete this project in two phases. The first phase would include the

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front portion of the property and the second phase would be towards the rear. And I have

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discussed this with Ms. McCabe and Mr. Kelly, and they didn't find an issue with this, but

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that in discussing with Mr. Kay, we thought it was appropriate just to bring it to your attention.

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And then finally, I just want to make note on a personal matter I have a hearing before

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the Historic Commission at 7 o'clock this evening, so I'll need to drop off, I'm second

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on that agenda, so I'll need to drop off shortly thereafter after 7 and I'd ask if there

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are any issues that the board felt that would be best addressed by me, that if we could take

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those earlier on, I respectfully request that accommodation.

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Having said that now, I'd like to turn the presentation over

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to Chris Johns.

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Thank you.

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Am I able to share the screen?

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You should be able to.

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Most has disabled participants screen sharing.

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Do you want to try it again?

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It sounds like you should be able to.

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No, I keep clicking it.

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This is the same thing.

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I'm getting the same message from Mr. McCabe.

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What about now?

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I've made you a co-host. There we go, that's it. Thank you.

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You should be seeing the cover sheet of

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our submission. Yes. They're coming through great. Okay, so again, there's a lot of discussion

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around timing constraints, so we'll try to keep this brief and highlight the sort of major changes

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to the project and answer a few of the questions and things that came through the latest round of

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staff notes. So the largest change that was made was the addition of more parking spaces.

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We picked up six parking spaces by leveraging some reduction in a storage basement space

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and then a reduction of a three-bed unit down to a two-bed unit on the ground floor of

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these building D and building C plus the addition of two spots within the garage space underneath

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the relocated house. And so what that does is again reduction from a three bed to a two bed unit

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and the reduction of some storage space. There was a comment in the notes regarding

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These storage spaces, these are for property management, owner spaces, not for tenants.

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These are mainly for supplies and materials and things to manage the property.

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And there was a question regarding the mail room.

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There is a single mail room that's accessible act grade here in Building D. And that serves

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the entire complex. And then there was also a note about

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stroller parking. So in in three of the kind of four new buildings we have we have

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space allocated in the entry lobbies for things like stroller parking. So in

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building D you can see see it here next to the stair and building C kind of

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tucked in behind the stair and along the edge here in building A and B. There's a larger

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lobby, so we have a large alcove in the back for things like stroller parking. Building

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F does not have stroller parking, and it's the smallest building with four units and has

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only two bedroom units. All the larger three bedroom units are in the A, B and C and D buildings

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So, that kind of covers the, I think, and Fred mentioned the fence, but we did not

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change the sort of formats of the buildings, I think, that the neighbors were pretty clear

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about having a fence, regardless of what we did with the structures.

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So the structures have remained as designed previously.

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I think that covers.

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Oh, there was a note again about a rendering.

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View from the really village.

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So that's up in here in the upper left.

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We've had that in the package all along.

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So you can see in the foreground.

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This is the existing really village buildings.

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and then up in the up the hill a little bit behind the trees is the new development.

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I think that covers most of my points. I'm happy to answer questions. I'm going to pass it on to

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Mike D'Angelo to review the landscape provisions.

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Thanks Chris. So the last time you all have seen this, we made a few changes. We know

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the tree committee on site and a couple of the things that came out of that meeting was we've added

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some trees along the southern portion of the property line. You see those three trees right there

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those are three maples. So that not only helps with adding shade but it helps with our tree mitigation

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calculations. We've also added a tree right near where that parallel parked car is building D

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and then we've added two additional trees. One tree we added north of building D

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and then one of the trees that was previously an ornamental tree is now a

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shade tree. So six trees, shade trees have been added. The tree committee

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asked us to look at adding trees along Bedford Street. We've studied that very

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closely and we advise against adding trees there simply because there's

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power lines that are very low. The greatest slope goes up quite quick and the

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trees would be virtually touching very soon after planting, so we advise against putting those there.

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Otherwise, we were able to satisfy all their comments in regards to lighting.

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We made a few changes, so we had some baller lighting along Bedford Street at building F.

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There was some light spill and some comments regarding that light spill on the Bedford,

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so we were able to lower those

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volumes a little bit, reduce the light spill to zero over the property line.

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Additionally, along the southern property line, there was some light spill occurring.

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We re-ran the model with the accurate planting that we have in place

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and we were able to reduce all light spill along the property line.

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So we've addressed the comments that came up.

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I think there's one other thing I could mention in regards to change Chris if you go back to the color plan the dumpsters that were

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added

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were reconfigured

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Which allows for the parking to work in maneuverability to work much better, and we're still able to maintain that five foot setback from the property line. And that concludes the landscape changes. And just in regards to the comments that we said we had come through.

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Thank you.

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Anything else from the applicant team going to talk?

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I am the Civil Engineer Mike Novak.

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Mr. Chair, if I could, we'll keep it brief.

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We're in receipt of the latest peer review memo.

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There's probably half a dozen comments to still take care of.

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I think we can get there.

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Some minor, some take, have a little more teeth.

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The biggest changes we've, as you can see on the bottom of that plane

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in the parking area, we've added soil testing.

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We've done additional soil testing on site to help better establish soil and ledge profile.

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That allowed me to condense and bring the systems a little further downhill and away

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from some of the higher ledge areas.

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Some of the comments, there's still a couple of eyes to dot and teased across with that

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in regards to the peer review comments, which I'll handle in the next round, but that was

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Because the biggest change, the change in the parking areas as you were shown basically

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infringed on already existing impervious so there wasn't really any major change in

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that regards to terms of the overall design in regards to stormwater.

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We did also try to demarcate a little better some of the poorest areas in particular that

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we're going to use in paper wise, in particularly the pathway down to Bedford Street behind building

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F, if I have that right Chris, on the other side, yeah, right there, I've added sections

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of per-pervious paper within that too. I think there's a comment from both the peer review

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and from someone in the public, and the concerns run off from that walkway, so we've added pervious

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papers, and also to try to respond to the request for more green or lower impact development

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in regards to the storm water. There was some other minor adjustments in regards to pipe

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slopes and things of that nature. I did add stone storage to the plans as well

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to check that box, and we did have to align some of the water,

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change was the initial soil testing and the reconfiguration of the soil marsh system.

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With that, Chris, I think we're all set.

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Maybe back to Fred, if there's anything, if not.

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No, that's it.

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I can please the presentation, Mr. Chairman.

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I'm happy to accept any questions, comments you have.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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Next, I'm going to go to Planner Aaron Kepper, and he can summarize his staff report.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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In your packet is a staff memo from the Planning Office,

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dated August 13th.

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I can just review the main points of that.

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At this time, the applicant is not requesting any relief,

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but we did have a few things we were still looking to be resolved.

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It sounds like a couple of these have been already touched on

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by the applicant team, so it sounds

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like they're being worked on currently,

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which is great, but I'll just review what was in the memo for clarification.

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So the first thing we were looking for more information on is the heights of the buildings.

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We were hoping to confirm with the zoning and building offices.

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There is height information listed on the plans with like what would be the information that go on the average natural grade forms.

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However, the way that we calculate average natural grade is by comparing the existing elevation

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with the proposed elevation, and then taking the lower of the two, and that both elevations

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are not listed on plans, so we were just hoping to get the forms filled out, and then we

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could get those over to the zoning and building offices to confirm the building heights.

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Let me see. I had a note that the photo metrics plan was still showing minor light spillage

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across property lines. It was less than a foot candle and mostly behind the refuse area.

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There's a couple screen dumpster bins and a couple lights over there and it was over the

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property lines back in really village. Mr. D'Angelo was just discussing and it sounds like they

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have that all cleaned up. So in the next submission package you should see a photo metrics

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plan likely with no light spillage, so that'll be good. I had a note in here. The lift

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assist bicycle racks that are proposed do not meet the required three-foot separation

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from a wall. There's a regulation in Chapter 176 that just dictates that separation. I had

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I noted that I would be supportive of relief if the applicant was able to show some specifications

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on the proposed bike racks saying that it needed less distance to function properly.

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Like if it's say needed 14 inches or two feet rather than a three feet, I would be supportive

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as the manufacturer is advising.

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However, at this time without relief and without relief being requested, that would need to

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be updated to be complied. To be compliant. Let me see. Mr. Gogan and Mr. Jones, I believe

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it talked about the defense along the property line. That would be a special permit for relief.

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However, staff would be supportive as it sounds like the request is mainly coming from the

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butter. So that would be in the public interest to accommodate that kind of relief between

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the butting property in the development.

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I have a note here. We had a discussion with the RHSO,

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the Regional Housing Services Office, who helps review these plans and talks about the affordable

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housing in the memos that is often comments. There is one unit that is proposed to be both an

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inclusionary unit and a group 2A unit. And we had heard that sometimes these without a direct need,

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These can be difficult to market or difficult to rent, so we had asked if they could swap

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that out to a different unit for the inclusionary.

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And then also there was an ask if the applicant had a preference if the units were floating

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or fixed upon turnover.

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This would come into play if say attendance income increases and they are no longer eligible

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for the IDU, then they would be able to retain the unit that they're in and the inclusionary

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unit would move to a comparable one in the complex.

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So the RHSO was recommending floating units for that reason, and staff would agree with

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that.

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So I just wanted to call that out as well.

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You see, Mr. D'Angelo also mentioned meeting with the Tree Committee.

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I will confirm that the plans meet the required mitigation on site, and we do appreciate the extra trees.

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We will just still encourage the applicant to see if there is anything they could do with just plantings along the street line.

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I know that maybe large shade trees wouldn't interfere with the utilities there, but maybe shorter trees or just anything that would help beautify the project.

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I know they do have a lot of plantings, but just for the street trees there.

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there. Still a consideration. And then one other thing along the Bedford Street line

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that was not in the memo, but we had discussed with Ms. McCabe earlier as well as some

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people in the office. And we would recommend the, there are two curb cuts on the Bedford

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street line on the property, one where the driveway is, and then another closer up towards

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the plan north of the property. The bicycle advisory committee was asking to retain this

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curb cut, but just in a way that bicyclists would be able to access the sort of internal pathways

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of the site and staff would request that the applicant would adhere to that request and make it

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accessible for bicyclists to be able to ride up from Bedford Street in the bike lane onto the

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property and the internal network in dismount and into the property but also close the curb cut

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otherwise and clean up the sidewalk just so that there's nothing sort of confusing about what the

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access is and that there wouldn't be any cars or anything trying to bring that in and

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also just so that it's clean and safe for bicycles to enter but also otherwise just a sidewalk.

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So that was just an extra comment that I wanted to bring to the board's attention but it wasn't in

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the memo. Let me see. So just to add on to the comments I had here, some of them were included.

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The board also received written comment letters from the Tree Committee, from the Transportation Advisory Committee, and from the Bicycle Advisory Committee, and also the Council on Aging submitted a letter for this project.

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Those were all included in the memo, and you can access the letters yourselves directly.

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The applicant also provided a written response to the planning board comments and to public

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comments.

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Those are uploaded in the OpenGov portal from your June 24th hearing.

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So if there was nothing directly followed out in the memo, you can look there as well.

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For a staff recommendation, we recommend that the board would continue at the end of this

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hearing, would continue the hearing to your September 16th meeting date, as this would give

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time for the applicant to respond to comments and finish up any finalized material.

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I believe your peer review consultant Ben Minnick's from Eaglebrook Engineering is here with

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peer review report. If you wanted to go to him next, I'm happy to answer any questions if there's

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anything somebody has for me. Thank you, Mr. Kepper. I'm just going to clarify with that additional

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curb cut. The request is to close that curb cut and make one that lines up with the new path.

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It would be a lot safer for bicyclists not to have to stop in the bike lane on Befford Street

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and just drive up onto the path. Okay, so I will go with Mr. Kepper's suggestion and we'll now go to

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Mr. Masha, is it with Eagle Burke for the peer review?

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Hello, yes, this is Ben Minick with Eagle Burke Engineering.

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Sorry.

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No problem.

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Can you hear me okay?

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Yes.

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Great.

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So we had the chance to review the additional revised plants.

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So I'm just going to share my screen and go through quickly the main points.

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There wasn't too many comments.

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I think we're getting pretty close.

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So I'll just go through those briefly.

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should

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be able to see the grading plan here.

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So first thing was utility meters were not added specifically on the plan.

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I'm not really surprised because the location can be changed later on

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once you get through the construction documents.

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So I think it makes sense to maybe just make a condition by the planning board

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that the meters are properly screened.

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So maybe that takes a change with the landscape plans during construction.

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Second, there was no self-fence added along the front of the property.

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That may have just been some layer control for the final plans,

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but that self-fence line needs to be added along the front of the property.

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Second one, and Mr. Novak may be able to answer this right away,

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but I looked right before this meeting and my comments about the geotechnical report missing

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boring number 11. I think it may have been a duplicate building number four and so if that's

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the case, Mr. Novak, I think that that comment is void. I don't know if you want to answer right now.

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Mr. Chair, may I? Yes. Yeah, so I actually got that response today. Ben,

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That be that second before, which is located within building E is B 11.

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I'll send that to you tomorrow through Abby, but yes, I can confirm that that that is B 11.

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That's great. Yeah, if we could just get that in writing so they have a record of it.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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Is that the trace trace through and see that that probably made sense for building having boring 11.

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So that's good.

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So that comment about the building not being two feet above seasonal high ground water.

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With that being pouring number 11, it does make sense that it's the basements for floors, at least two feet above.

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So going down just a little bit further in my letter here, just a small couple clarifications in the stormwater report.

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And then the biggest thing with the two infiltration systems, additional soil testing was done and was very helpful.

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There's just some questioning of the depth to ledge between test pits 3 and 4 and 2 and 4.

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Just by interpolation, it looks like a portion of infiltration system 2 may be on ledge,

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so maybe Mr. Novak wants to look at different options of separating that system, moving it a little bit.

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I'm sure there's some creativity that can work there.

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second is the groundwater mounting calculations which need to confirm how

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that's being done and then there's some some question is this impervious barrier

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You know, if those mounting calculations change, is this impervious barrier along the south side of Infiltration System 1 going to be enough? If those, if those calcs change in the last comment we had was, we still recommend a geotechnical engineer, structural engineer review this retaining wall on the abutters property. We do have that proposed impervious barrier, which would help. But again, if the mounting calcs change that may be more of an effect

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on that wall.

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I believe that everything else was addressed and those are the major comments now.

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I think we're getting close and we can figure those last few points out.

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All right, thank you, Mr. Medigas. So does the applicant team have anything they want to add at this time?

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Are you all set for now? I think we're all set, Mr. Chairman, would take questions at this time.

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Okay, great. So I'll go to public comment first and then to the board and I'll read the public comment

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statement. Public hearings are an opportunity for the board and the public to thoroughly

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understand a proposal, suggest improvements, and advocate for or against it. As a reminder,

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the planning board is not legally allowed to make decisions based upon impact a project may

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have on the school system.

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For MBTA communities projects, the planning board is also not allowed

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to require the developer to prepare a traffic study, not to mitigate impact on additional traffic.

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Not requiring a traffic study is one of the rules established by the state for MBTA communities

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zoning. Each public hearing may be either

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continued to a future date or close at this at the end of this evening.

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Comments during the public participation are limited to two minutes, at two

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minutes I will ask the speaker to wrap up. For this project and for all projects

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you are welcome to offer your own opinions regarding a project other than by

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inference criticizing the views of other residents is not the intent of public

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comment. Off topic comments will be abbreviated. In the interest of time if you agree with the previous

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comment or please indicate your agreement, but kindly do not repeat those comments at length.

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The board especially welcomes written questions and comments at any time via the planning office

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website either instead of or in addition to comments made during public participation. Submitting

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written comments is an in advance of the meeting gives the board and staff time to consider an

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or resident views and can only improve communication between residents of the planning board.

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As a reminder, please use the Zoom raise hand or start an eye on your phone and I will

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call on you. Please identify yourself including your address and any relevant affiliations.

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Okay, with that, I'll go to public comment. Has anybody in the public want to comment on the project

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this evening and

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I see we only have four attendees this evening. Okay, I don't see any hands raised.

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Let's give it a couple of seconds.

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All right, so in that case I will now go to the planning board

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to get input comments and questions from the board based on what they've seen so far.

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So, please raise your hand if you want to talk.

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Mr. Shambhiker.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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So, first question, have you met with the Affordable Housing Trust regarding potential

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buy-down for greater affordability with any of these units?

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We have not.

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Well, I will encourage you to do that, Mr. Gogan.

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I'm quite sure that you have their contact information.

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So Mr. Kepper already highlighted this, but can you address the two questions posed by the RHSO and provided in the staff memo?

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I greatly appreciate the fact that you provided all the responses on Open Gov, but I did not see any responses to those amongst us answers.

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The first regards why you're providing the required group 2A unit as an affordable unit and then the second is whether, as Mr. Kepper said, the units would be fixed or floating.

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I think as Mark Mosher, the project manager, I think might be prepared to respond to that.

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Mark, yep.

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Okay. Thanks, Mark.

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Yeah, and I believe did you mention the fixed and floating as well both?

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Yes, yep.

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Sorry, yep.

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Yeah, I think our intention is at our option, we're willing to float.

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Our intention is not to, you know, punish your future to float.

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You know, kick someone out who has graduated or whatever you want to say there.

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So, I think that is something we're comfortable with, as far as the inclusionary being one

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of them being accessible, that is our intent, that is our desire, that has been our experience

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in past projects, that that is the most likely to be accessible, and that was feedback that

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we got not from the local group, not from the regional group.

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so I think our experience and your local opinion was those are the most likely to be needed to be

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accessible.

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Okay, thank you very much. So Mr. Kreech wants us to do comments at the same time,

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so I'll just go. So let's see, so first I will say that for the fence I do not want to support it.

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I do not think that for all of our efforts in separating people is helping in our efforts to make

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a more inclusive town as a whole. I certainly understand the need for screening when we were talking

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about headlights of cars, but that will not be the case here.

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To me, this is another case of tree multi-family housing differently than a single-family house.

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If Mr. Johnson or a developer were posing a big, large single-family home,

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we would not require any screen, and we might take issue with the seven-foot fence

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requiring a special permit. This is a double standard. At our last meeting, I spoke about

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architecture's role in supporting and creating stronger communities. This application still does

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everything it can to support that initiative. But I want to call out what the changes requested

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in the previous meaning mean. In the previous iteration that we saw last time we had more green space

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than, and that green space has now been replaced by parking spots for cars. Now people might justifiably

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accuse me of hating cars, but I really don't. Cars are a necessary part of our lives. We cannot simply wish

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them away. And I'd rather not do that anyway. That being said, we can discourage their use,

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which is to say we don't provide more parking. People are amazingly adaptable in this project,

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it's right on a bus line. The applicant believed that the previous iteration with fewer spots was

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financially viable. By adding the additional spots we have sacrificed human space for car space

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and I frankly do not understand why we would want to encourage that. We complain about the traffic

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and in the next breath ask for more parking spots. Again, the book is a tone but I encourage everyone to

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read the high cost of free parking by Donald Choup. I like the applicant believed that if we provide

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less parking and that we encourage people to use other forms of transportation.

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So again, I would ask all of my fellow board members if trading space occupied by humans for space

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occupied by car storage is the right trade to make. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Schumberger.

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Mr. Piawn, you're next.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll go through a quick list of questions and

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comments. I guess first, because I know some of Gil Gunn may be moving on to another board meeting

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soon. On the issue of phasing, there's a couple of questions here. I mean, do you expect

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that this phasing to take place within the normal statutory limit for ongoing projects

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in a situation where I would assume that our decision if we're going to accommodate

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phasing would be pretty specific about what would be allowed and the requirement would be that

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any amenities that are associated with this project not be deferred to a second phase, that

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if we had to do something like that, if the buildings in the back, for example, were going

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to be built out, we would not be losing the benefits and amenities that would be

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provided for the first phase of development. So I'm assuming that you're comfortable that we fit

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within the time frame and that the decision explicitly identify how that phasing would accomplish.

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So do you have any sort of thoughts or comments on that and whether or not you intend anything other

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than just that sort of progression of public benefits compatible or commensurate with the amount of

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development you do in the first phase? Yeah, we specifically discussed the statutory requirements in

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terms of the time frame and the honest very comfortable would be able to complete that.

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I don't apply with that. So but we also discussed that the need to, and I

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discussed this with Abby, Ms. McKayben, Mr. Kelly, that we will have all the infrastructure

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installed, parking, and the like. As far as the amenity spaces, I would think that anything

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except for those amenity spaces that are in those buildings and are not constructed would be made available.

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So, kind of, that answers your question.

431
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,420
Yeah, I know it does.

432
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:18,820
Thank you.

433
00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:20,100
I just want to make sure that's the case.

434
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:22,020
And that we'd accommodate that in the decision.

435
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:28,500
A quick note, and sort of in response to Mr. Shambacker, I don't have an issue with the increase

436
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,240
in the height of the fence from six feet to eight feet.

437
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:31,680
I appreciate Mr. Shambacker's comments.

438
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:37,100
That would be, it's unfortunate that we have fencing that would separate the visual impacts from one property to another.

439
00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:42,420
And while it may be true that if this is a single family house, we wouldn't have any jurisdiction over this question.

440
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:44,600
And the applicant is already proposing to do a fence.

441
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,220
All they're asking for is another foot in the height.

442
00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:49,760
I assume that this is in response to very specific site

443
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,240
conditions about view, you know, their ability

444
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,660
from the abutting property to look into this property.

445
00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:56,440
Some privacy issues more than anything else.

446
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,660
I don't think it's a matter of intending to exclude it.

447
00:39:58,820 --> 00:40:00,920
It's this question of controlling the impacts.

448
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,460
And it's not impacts associated with the vehicle traffic

449
00:40:04,460 --> 00:40:06,780
or vehicle traveling or parking or headlights running like that.

450
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,600
It seems to me it's a matter of the common area

451
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,960
that's accommodating the individual unit residents

452
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,240
from whatever backyard or side yard,

453
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:16,640
which might be other actively used.

454
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,840
So I mean, it could be accomplished in other ways,

455
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:21,960
you know, evergreen hedges and things like that.

456
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,520
But to me, it's adding other foot or two

457
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,520
is really not a critical issue in here.

458
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,740
So at least I would suggest that in this case,

459
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:31,320
accommodating the extra foot or two isn't a big deal.

460
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:33,860
On the issue of the additional parking spaces

461
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:35,620
and I respect Mr. Schembecker's view

462
00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:39,000
about more parking or less, I assume among other things,

463
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,340
given what we've already heard before about visitor parking, these extra spaces are not really

464
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:49,500
to accommodate the residents as much as they are. Given the number of units here, a few people

465
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,660
who might actually have guests or other visitors that are there, and I know that the real challenge

466
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:58,540
has always been, can I let these visitors who are coming from other locations park in other parking

467
00:40:58,540 --> 00:41:03,520
lots that are nearby, like the Starbucks parking lot or the Custis Place parking lot, which I obviously

468
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,180
we wanted to discourage. So it's the ability to accommodate guest parking as opposed to having

469
00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:12,820
people randomly park on lowest lane or in some of the other parking lots could be valuable. So

470
00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:17,520
in this situation, that doesn't bother me a whole lot. And I don't think we're really sacrificing

471
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:23,640
real usable common open space that would otherwise be used by the residents. On the other hand,

472
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:30,880
one of the questions that I have is what it sounded to me from Aaron's memo was that some of the

473
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:37,600
But two other spaces are provided by tandem parking under the existing structure that the

474
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,000
Johnson's are going to live in.

475
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,060
And it wasn't quite clear to me, is that what the plan is that they'll be tandem parking

476
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:44,660
under that structure?

477
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,360
Maybe that's Aaron's question, or maybe it's for the applicant.

478
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,580
I'm Mr. Chris John.

479
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:52,200
Can you answer that?

480
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:52,500
Sure.

481
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:53,300
That's correct.

482
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,800
So we're adding six total spaces, two of which are under the relocated house.

483
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:19,300
How many are I thought that there were two already under the house or is it additional to so for total, but they'll be tandem as I recall the last number of hearings we've had we count tandem spaces as one space, even though there are long spaces, another project coming on tonight has an also as proposed sort of an internal tandem parking space.

484
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:25,080
It wasn't clear to me, I really appreciate the Johnson family's interest and support

485
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,900
and their ability to propose a project like this for the town.

486
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:34,040
But I'm assuming it's going to be a rental project, as we've already talked about, because

487
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:40,280
the Johnson's going to live there for a long time, those four spaces dedicated are exactly

488
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,240
how would those spaces be allocated between the Johnson's who are going to be living in

489
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:48,820
that building, and then other tenants in the in the in the project.

490
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:58,070
I'm not sure that's totally fleshed out on us from my perspective.

491
00:43:00,260 --> 00:43:01,720
I know they have two vehicles.

492
00:43:03,260 --> 00:43:05,040
Yeah, I could make a comment.

493
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,320
This is Jim Jelston.

494
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:07,100
Sure.

495
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,540
Our our thought of visitors coming to this property is very much driven by 30

496
00:43:13,540 --> 00:43:15,260
years of experience living here.

497
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:25,160
we often ourselves have visitors and our current approach is to use the paved

498
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:33,660
driveway area and also frequently the the grassy area. So we have we have asked

499
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:41,680
Chris and the architecture team to have that in mind for our particular situation

500
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:49,740
And for us, the tandem spaces make perfect sense because that's what we're used to doing.

501
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,640
Parking cars for a couple of hours for guests that come and leave.

502
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:03,420
And if they blocked our cars, that would be fine as to the impact on the whole project.

503
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:07,260
As Chris says, I agree we haven't really thought that through.

504
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:14,120
Okay, now I appreciate that and you're being very straightforward about this and I completely

505
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:14,840
respect that.

506
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:20,280
So effectively the additional two of the additional parking spaces are really sort of special

507
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,700
category parking spaces and overall you're adding additional parking spaces which I understand

508
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:30,740
the need for but it's not like we're substantially expanding the number of parking spaces to accommodate

509
00:44:30,740 --> 00:44:35,740
visitor parking to for basically the Johnson's which I understand and appreciate.

510
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:38,680
So, well, thank you for that answer on that.

511
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:47,520
On the issue of the Mr. Minix's report on Eaglebrook and I appreciate what you've said this

512
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:53,040
evening, there were questions that I had after reading the peer review report about groundwater

513
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:59,520
water mounting issues and the death to high ground water elevation and whatnot. I am.

514
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,080
A little concern about the groundwater mounting issue and the groundwater discharge facilities and the lateral impact on the abutting property. Because you have an impermeable barrier there, it would seem to me that I would suggest I would think that it would be useful to make sure that you contacted the abutting property owner to make sure that they were aware of this analysis and the fact that this imperme barrier is there to prevent breakout that might actually move over on to the customs place property.

515
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:33,840
And so I would ask that Mr. Novak share this new information in the design specifically

516
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,540
with the owner of the adjacent properties so that they can at least understand this.

517
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:41,300
And to the extent that they have any concerns as the folks of Meaglebrook, Mr. Minnicks,

518
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,340
have expressed that you'd be able to really focus on this issue to ensure that you weren't

519
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:52,320
going to end up with some potential risks of lateral migration and a higher groundwater

520
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,100
elevation and mounting that would affect the retaining wall and things of that nature.

521
00:45:56,100 --> 00:46:07,380
So, I'm positive as Mr. Minix is that this can be something that can be engineered, but it may require more work, more design to ensure that there's no lateral impact on the abutting property.

522
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:20,860
So, I hope you would take the time to do that in the next few weeks to make sure that everybody is completely fine with the way in which you're trying to accommodate the possibility of having the potential impacts of lateral migration from groundwater amounting.

523
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:32,000
The only other comment or question I have, if you wouldn't mind Mr. Johns, is to talk

524
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,420
a little bit more about the outdoor amenity space.

525
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:42,220
It wasn't clear to me from looking at the plans exactly how that was allocated here both

526
00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:47,260
in terms of, I know you have some ground floor patio areas along the north, I believe, and

527
00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:47,840
some other things.

528
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,980
How is that allocated?

529
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,860
I mean, you have individual unit outdoor space,

530
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,660
and then you've got common outdoor space,

531
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:56,460
or is there no outdoor space

532
00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:57,640
that's sort of unit specific,

533
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,900
ground floor unit specific,

534
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,620
and it's all dedicated in a couple of locations

535
00:47:01,620 --> 00:47:02,260
within the site?

536
00:47:04,940 --> 00:47:06,220
I'll have a try at that,

537
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:08,180
although you might be able to hear

538
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:09,540
from other members of the team.

539
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,520
I think that in the,

540
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,100
where the buildings face each other,

541
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:24,180
There wouldn't be any unit specific common space that would be shared by everyone in that sort of courtyard space.

542
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:35,740
Along the back sides of the buildings that face the property lines, there is quite a lot of space because it's required to be set back from the property lines.

543
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:38,920
We have thought less about how to use that space.

544
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:45,180
use, I think it will feel fairly spacious. I've kind of walked the property and thought

545
00:47:45,180 --> 00:47:51,620
about how that will feel. So maybe there would be unit specific, but I don't think it would

546
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:58,560
be strictly defined. I don't think there'd be fences. I think it would be a kind of a

547
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,520
cross between shared and unit specific. But each have outdoor access on that area with

548
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,880
separate doors and everything, correct?

549
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:07,800
I doubt it.

550
00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:11,320
I don't think we have doors on those back walls.

551
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:12,140
Okay.

552
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,560
Yeah, we have no patio doors or sliding doors

553
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:20,360
from the units directly to the side yards

554
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,760
or the setback areas.

555
00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:22,780
Okay.

556
00:48:22,860 --> 00:48:28,240
Intention is that again, this is a communal shared living space,

557
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:32,740
including the outdoor, these outdoor terraces and patios.

558
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:38,800
it's why you know each building entry has a kind of covered porch area. It's intended to

559
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:49,900
create those more spontaneous interactions and and less about you know isolated screened off

560
00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:59,880
patios per unit. Give a dedicated play area for children. No, we're not required to have one because

561
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,420
because we're not over 40 units.

562
00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:04,620
Our idea is that in the landscape plan,

563
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:07,120
there's a lot of on-site,

564
00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:11,240
there's actually a number of kind of granite sections

565
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,940
of granite from like a look like benches

566
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:20,500
or almost like railroad tie style or size pieces of granite.

567
00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:24,960
And so our idea is to create more natural features

568
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,340
in the landscape to promote more spontaneous

569
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:36,540
play within the site and so there's not a playground.

570
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,880
There's a lot of features, and when I was a kid,

571
00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:43,320
I liked running down the piece of stone or climbing a fence

572
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,780
or sort of making my own thing.

573
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:52,200
So there was no intention here to create a formal designated playground area.

574
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,020
There's plenty of space in the side yards,

575
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:57,780
and we have this nice beautiful courtyard that the kids can play in.

576
00:49:57,780 --> 00:50:07,240
So I can't resist saying I'm going to invite Chris over with his skateboard to see how he does with now mounting those granite

577
00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:11,140
Platforms they know skate no skateboards allowed

578
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,440
Yeah

579
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,620
On the issue slope and drainage just goes back to Eagle Brook

580
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,200
I when I looked at the plans and I

581
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:25,840
I appreciate the fact that your design concept is to manage 100% of this farm water on site and do groundwater recharge

582
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:42,100
I couldn't find the way in which you're dealing with a stormwater drainage pattern right at the entrance to the property because I recall that it does slope down toward Bedford Street is there a trend strain there that basically captures and recharges those stormwater right at that point of contact with the sidewalk.

583
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:53,170
No, there isn't actually because there's an existing driveway there where matching or slightly reducing considering how much we are mitigating.

584
00:50:53,930 --> 00:51:00,570
So the pre-deposed analysis, there will be less runoff, but we're not capturing that runoff.

585
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:06,650
So not 100% is going into the street train system.

586
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:09,490
Correct. But less than what was going before.

587
00:51:09,930 --> 00:51:12,350
Right. But I mean, it's a few hundred square feet, something like that.

588
00:51:12,350 --> 00:51:18,030
Yeah, if you look at the plants, there's a catch basin right at the neck anything below that is going

589
00:51:18,030 --> 00:51:24,010
Everything above that is being captured. There's a small area. There's the drainage the drainage maps would would indicate the area

590
00:51:24,010 --> 00:51:28,650
I could certainly have I could put it on the plan so you know how much there is but off the top my head

591
00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:34,630
I don't know exactly how much it is and it wasn't feasible to kind of capture and recharge that small site

592
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:38,790
We just get too low. Yeah, it just gets too low and I can't go back into the site

593
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:44,110
The street train would be the trend strain would be actually lower than the in-birds at the top of the recharge

594
00:51:44,830 --> 00:51:49,470
Correct. Yeah, and again because of our restrictions with with ledge

595
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:54,590
We can't drive these systems down deep roots to to accommodate that so it's it's a balancing act

596
00:51:54,590 --> 00:51:57,810
Will you be able to contact the butters about the lateral?

597
00:51:58,650 --> 00:52:06,130
I know I know mr. Masha has tried to contact them and regards to other matters and it's been difficult because that's a

598
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:22,030
business plaza that's owned by entity. So, you know, who is the owner is one thing, but I mean, obviously everything goes without saying everything is public and we're here at these meetings and everything's out there so they could certainly reach out if they wanted to.

599
00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:26,890
We could certainly give it another try, but we haven't had a lot of success mark unless I'm speaking out of turn.

600
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:33,430
Yeah, I just want to raise this because it came up with the residents of Lois Lane

601
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:36,730
across the street in the property, the Lex Project next door that Finnegan did.

602
00:52:36,930 --> 00:52:40,390
There was an enormous amount of concern about this sort of lateral groundwater movement.

603
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:42,850
They were talking about flooding and basements and issues like that.

604
00:52:43,070 --> 00:52:47,670
I know that's not the same topic here, but at the same time, I mean, as you know, given

605
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:50,830
that sort of elevated groundwater recharge system, you're accommodating 100-year event.

606
00:52:51,490 --> 00:52:52,830
There's a lot of water in those things.

607
00:52:52,830 --> 00:53:02,650
And you know, given what I read about the, you know, the ledge in the purge water table and everything like that, I could see that that could be an unexpected impact during major storm events.

608
00:53:02,650 --> 00:53:10,350
You can end up with some sea vision, particularly in the winter. That's a real big issue, you know, for getting on that side. So anyway, well, thank you very much.

609
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:13,410
I appreciate comments. Yeah, those are the comments that I have right now. Thank you.

610
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:19,490
Thank you, Mr. Leon. I was just going to ask you if I could move on to the other four members of the board. Sorry, Mr. Creature.

611
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:21,630
Mr. Thompson.

612
00:53:23,330 --> 00:53:24,490
Thank you.

613
00:53:25,330 --> 00:53:31,390
I really just have, Mr. Leon got a couple of my questions.

614
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:38,970
One thing that you mentioned was you're going to do the construction in two faces.

615
00:53:39,630 --> 00:53:44,430
So how will that work? How long is it going to add a lot of extra time to the construction?

616
00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:46,490
How do you plan on working that?

617
00:53:47,470 --> 00:54:05,230
That hasn't all been flushed out yet but it is proposed to do the front of the property first there is a statutory requirement the construction begin within three years of the special permit and we're aware of that and we've discussed that so we would expect that the second phase would certainly begin within that statutory time frame of three years.

618
00:54:06,310 --> 00:54:07,730
Does that help answer the question?

619
00:54:08,610 --> 00:54:13,650
So it will be whenever you get started on the first phase and then three years.

620
00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:23,570
No, no, it's three years from the date that we get the approval the construction must so that's so it's not an extended period of time.

621
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:33,870
It's, yeah, construction over there, you know, you don't want to add too much.

622
00:54:35,290 --> 00:54:44,670
Well, with that, and I also don't necessarily have a problem with the fencing, but

623
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:52,690
it would be a nice looking fence so that where it is going to be an extra height, you know,

624
00:54:52,830 --> 00:55:01,150
and the abouters did request it, you know, I hope it would be something that would not be unattractive looking.

625
00:55:01,150 --> 00:55:01,150
Okay.

626
00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:16,050
One other question I have is, I want you to want to call the area. You're coming

627
00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:25,150
in and out all of a sudden. I am. Yeah, just that. Is that better? Yes. Okay. You mentioned

628
00:55:25,150 --> 00:55:32,490
in about the mail that all of the mail will go in that one small slot. But my question

629
00:55:32,490 --> 00:55:43,510
is you know everybody today gets Instacard or you know FedEx or Amazon where are packages going

630
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:52,710
to go. That room is about 100 square feet. It's 20 big for 31 units. Yeah it's 20 big for a 30 unit

631
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:53,150
project.

632
00:55:55,980 --> 00:56:03,890
Okay and so they'll all just get dumped in there and then some you know people will just go

633
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:10,110
pick them up and hopefully you know they'll all be there. It'll be locked. Okay.

634
00:56:10,550 --> 00:56:23,050
Card access only. It's not an open lobby. Okay all right and so you also showed in one

635
00:56:23,050 --> 00:56:29,170
of your pictures the is there one set of dumpsters at one side sort of toward the front.

636
00:56:29,170 --> 00:56:40,310
So the all the units, even the ones way in the back will be carting their trash, recycle, and composting to that one spot.

637
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:47,190
Yeah, we have one designated trash recycling compost location. It's actually in the rear of the site, not the front.

638
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:47,970
Okay.

639
00:56:48,250 --> 00:56:49,170
So not near the road.

640
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:51,230
And that is.

641
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:57,050
Yep, that's a singular location, so everyone will bring their...

642
00:56:57,050 --> 00:56:57,290
Hello.

643
00:56:59,690 --> 00:57:00,170
I...

644
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:03,630
Who's that?

645
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:12,840
Okay, so the whole unit will use... will bring their stuff to the front.

646
00:57:15,660 --> 00:57:19,540
It seems a little tight, especially for the units that are in the back by the fence.

647
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,680
It seems like a long way to walk with garbage.

648
00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:35,560
And I think we, I don't think we've, or maybe we haven't gotten to this yet, but on

649
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,480
in each of the units, you know, there's some of them, they have two levels, maybe some

650
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,920
three, but is there of a washer, dryer units in each unit or how is that working?

651
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,940
And they're all on the lower level or how does that work?

652
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,760
The unit designs are not complete, but the intention is that each unit will have in-unit

653
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,920
laundry, and the majority of the units are single-level units.

654
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:11,960
We have a few upper-level units that have kind of mezzanine, like a loft section to them,

655
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,420
and the laundry would be on the primary level of that unit.

656
00:58:16,340 --> 00:58:25,600
Okay. And just finally, I did the question by the Council on Aging. They really do have several

657
00:58:26,420 --> 00:58:32,300
good thoughtful questions in here. And I hope that you'll have a look at them and

658
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:39,360
you know, sort of design kind of somewhat accordingly. In case we do have, you know, people that need

659
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,480
that kind of assistance.

660
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:50,620
Yes, noted and we did meet with the committee on disability and accessibility.

661
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,420
And they had very similar comments and appreciated that we had already begun to

662
00:58:55,420 --> 00:59:00,340
incorporate some of those notions into our renderings.

663
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:06,280
And many of those items are code required anyway, so we wouldn't even be able to get a building permit.

664
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,200
that we did not provide a number of those items.

665
00:59:09,460 --> 00:59:13,720
So yes, we will be making this very conducive

666
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,980
to accessible and visually impaired folks.

667
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:20,280
Okay, that's it for me.

668
00:59:20,460 --> 00:59:21,300
Thank you so much.

669
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,360
Thank you, Ms. Thompson.

670
00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:24,220
Ms. Getson.

671
00:59:29,110 --> 00:59:29,450
Oh, hi.

672
00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:30,090
Thank you.

673
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:37,330
So I have Ms. Thompson and Ms. Leon asked some of my questions.

674
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:38,730
So that was good.

675
00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:44,430
So, I just want to also follow up on the letter from Transportation Advisory Committee.

676
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:52,230
They were asking for bus shelter since there's a 30 units and I think it will be good to

677
00:59:52,910 --> 00:59:53,890
consider that.

678
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:59,970
I hope that you would have at least a formal response and see if you...

679
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,180
We could consider building a bar shoulder even on the public way. I want to just point that out. And I also agree the tree committee's suggestion that the landscape purse, I forget the name. I would like to hear quickly that on the site where we all were wasting for some low, low hanging trees to be planted.

680
01:00:29,180 --> 01:00:42,460
But you guys said if there's not enough space, are there any planning and all other like bushes and things like that or is it possible at all to have a lot of different type of shorter trees.

681
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:52,720
That the tree committee has recommended so I was really hoping that you would consider that that would really help on water runoff since this is a.

682
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,640
a higher ground compared to the budding properties.

683
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:01,760
Yeah, I can answer that. Mike D'Angelo.

684
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,100
Thank you. Thank you. I was in quick on getting your name.

685
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,300
Yeah, no problem. Thank you.

686
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,140
So yeah, the bars are very low in the land is slowing up.

687
01:01:11,260 --> 01:01:16,040
So we really feel that putting trees there of any kind would be a liability for everyone,

688
01:01:16,660 --> 01:01:19,180
including the town with the being so close to the road.

689
01:01:19,180 --> 01:01:27,340
So we do have a lot of trees, we do have a shade tree tucked between E and F. We have a lot of plantings below there.

690
01:01:27,780 --> 01:01:31,100
There's a little patch along there that remains along the street.

691
01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:38,100
Perhaps we could put more shrubs there. It's a lot of planting, but I think that's that probably be the extent of it.

692
01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:43,020
Again, we just advise against putting trees of any kind in that area.

693
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,280
Just giving how low those those power lines are in the slope of the land.

694
01:01:47,260 --> 01:01:51,160
What about the part in front of building F?

695
01:01:53,860 --> 01:01:56,540
If you go back to that plan, I'm sorry you met.

696
01:01:56,700 --> 01:01:57,600
Whoever had that up.

697
01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:02,970
There is a pathway there.

698
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:07,850
Yeah, so you find a pathway between the pathway and the building.

699
01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:10,870
Is that what what are they?

700
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:14,910
That's that is all shrub planting and ground covers.

701
01:02:17,070 --> 01:02:20,550
So that that'd be very tight to the building to put a tree.

702
01:02:22,270 --> 01:02:25,310
potentially could put a columnar tree maybe in there between the two light

703
01:02:25,310 --> 01:02:29,750
ballards. But I wouldn't want to put any too far south on building up just

704
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:33,670
because of how close the building it is. Just thinking about long-term

705
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:38,250
viability for the tree if you think about. People plant too close to buildings and

706
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:43,110
times and it becomes an issue. Yeah so the if you are planning to do

707
01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:48,590
straps is not actually showing here because it seems to me that other straps

708
01:02:48,590 --> 01:02:55,830
you're showing. So this picture is so far. I don't know. Those are ground covers. I missed

709
01:02:55,830 --> 01:03:01,850
both. That area is ground covers in front of building F. So yeah, it's planted. It's just ground

710
01:03:01,850 --> 01:03:10,090
covers. So you would go up bushes there? We could put shrubs. Yeah. Yeah, I think you know the little

711
01:03:10,090 --> 01:03:16,330
their little taller and take out more water than ground cover. And I see you're having low bushes

712
01:03:16,330 --> 01:03:19,290
is very close to the building on the other side, which is great.

713
01:03:19,550 --> 01:03:24,110
So I think anything we can do to more planning on that side

714
01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:25,850
would be appreciated.

715
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:32,250
So the other comments, I want to work question at one.

716
01:03:32,590 --> 01:03:35,290
Yeah, the trick I'm going to call it the understory trees,

717
01:03:35,590 --> 01:03:37,030
or maybe taller bushes.

718
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:41,230
My question is also about the face.

719
01:03:41,230 --> 01:03:49,370
So did I just did Mr. Johnson said and you're going to hoping that the first phase would be

720
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:54,390
building E and F? Is that correct?

721
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:57,690
What you haven't thought about.

722
01:03:58,430 --> 01:04:01,190
Yeah, I always thought that just

723
01:04:02,370 --> 01:04:05,170
I'm sorry, yeah. Yeah, we have it specifically.

724
01:04:05,690 --> 01:04:08,070
I'm sorry Jim, let me just go quick and I'll hand it off to you.

725
01:04:08,070 --> 01:04:08,590
You're crazy.

726
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:12,010
Yeah, but there haven't been any specific decisions

727
01:04:12,010 --> 01:04:13,250
as to what buildings will be,

728
01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:15,590
but the plan is to work from the front to the back.

729
01:04:16,030 --> 01:04:18,490
So certainly the Johnson's historic home

730
01:04:18,490 --> 01:04:19,910
will be the first one moved,

731
01:04:20,750 --> 01:04:23,370
what happens in terms of the other buildings

732
01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:24,410
and what order they would be,

733
01:04:24,530 --> 01:04:26,890
it would certainly be the ones along Bedford Street

734
01:04:26,890 --> 01:04:28,090
would be started first.

735
01:04:32,110 --> 01:04:37,520
Yeah, I think that we regard phasing

736
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:46,400
phasing as undesirable, we would do it if we practically have to as a function of our

737
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,960
financing capacity.

738
01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:56,480
And we would regard the impact of phasing primarily through the eyes of our tenants.

739
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:04,820
We would not want to impose further construction on our tenants who move in first.

740
01:05:04,820 --> 01:05:17,660
so we won't do phasing at all unless we really need to. And as far as what order we would do things in, we have not really looked at that carefully.

741
01:05:18,740 --> 01:05:22,340
And we won't ever look at it carefully unless we need to.

742
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:33,570
Okay. Oh, thank you. Yeah. So I would just I agree that I was also concerned about your tenets.

743
01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:41,190
If there's too much space, if they say it's a happier year in between, it also can be costly

744
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:46,690
that you had to make the cover and things look more livable. So you cannot just have a ground

745
01:05:46,690 --> 01:05:53,050
if I have. Yeah. So I think you had to clean up the site in a very nice way. So it can be challenging.

746
01:05:53,710 --> 01:05:59,750
Yes, we care about that at least as much as anybody else might care about it.

747
01:05:59,790 --> 01:06:04,970
Okay, so I just want to understand, you know, hopefully you can go smoothly in one place.

748
01:06:05,650 --> 01:06:12,310
Did I understand that the red lines, are you going to have fencing all around? That was kind of

749
01:06:12,310 --> 01:06:22,010
unusual for, I don't know, I'm kind of torn in between, so did you guys know? Are you planning to have

750
01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:24,730
Fencing all around except the front on Bedford Street?

751
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:30,570
No, the only fence that's planned is on the north side that was requested by the butters.

752
01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:34,330
Okay. Okay, so that's what I thought. Okay, so it's the only one side.

753
01:06:35,610 --> 01:06:42,250
Correct. One all the four sides. Okay, so that's better because I wouldn't want it to be completely closed

754
01:06:42,250 --> 01:06:48,370
out as kind of a, if you have trees to give privacy and I have a nice feeling, I think that's better

755
01:06:48,370 --> 01:06:56,250
than the solid financing. Yeah, thank you. That's good to hear. I was also torn about the parking,

756
01:06:56,950 --> 01:07:06,470
and I'm glad that you were planning to add two parking spaces for the Johnson's family. I think

757
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:14,870
that's very practical, but if you take that to out and there will be four guest parking, assuming

758
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:24,070
that every person who lived there had one car or maybe no cars, hopefully what are the plans if

759
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:31,590
somebody has more than a couple of cats and then this is a 30-some units. If like two families are

760
01:07:31,590 --> 01:07:39,210
having events or even three, even one-tenth of the household or the renters are having events,

761
01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:49,430
I have guests. Where were you hoping that they would park? Or ideally the old bike over and walk

762
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:58,570
over and take buses, but we're not talking about ideal situation. Yeah, this is Jim. Mark and I

763
01:07:58,570 --> 01:08:06,670
could probably both have something to say about this. We are informally discussing places off our site

764
01:08:06,670 --> 01:08:11,750
where guests could park. We've talked with knights of Columbus. We've talked to a couple of the churches.

765
01:08:13,230 --> 01:08:19,710
And those discussions are moving very slowly. We've also gotten some definite

766
01:08:19,710 --> 01:08:29,990
nose from commercial parking lots that are close to us. So as the need arises, as we have people

767
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:37,770
move in and we see what they need and we see what the actual flows are. We think we have flexible

768
01:08:37,770 --> 01:08:41,890
options that we can call on if needed.

769
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:48,300
Yeah, I'll just start if I could add on to that. I think we

770
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:55,300
were told explicitly by the Affordable Council that they will not be renting and that has also been

771
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:59,040
our experience in the past. You have to, you know, lease those number of units that will have no cars.

772
01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:03,780
they was asked that we would discount the parking fee and that is the case

773
01:09:03,780 --> 01:09:08,840
every unit has to rent their own parking none of them are assigned and it's

774
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,060
planned to be open parking so it is not expected that everyone who has a car

775
01:09:14,060 --> 01:09:17,700
will be there at all times in all places and those spaces that are not

776
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:22,040
utilized will also be available for guests so unless everyone's home all at the

777
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:27,440
same time and all of the guest spaces are taken scenario I think is we're

778
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:30,980
drastically overpart is our experience on this based on other projects.

779
01:09:30,980 --> 01:09:36,540
I think this concern is overblown, especially in light of the six spaces that we've added.

780
01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:42,940
So I really think we have 10 to 15 guest spaces at any one time and we have one amenity space

781
01:09:42,940 --> 01:09:47,700
and apartments that are intentionally designed small to push you out into the common area space.

782
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:51,740
If you want to have a gathering, so having one space to have that, it's unlike we're

783
01:09:51,740 --> 01:09:53,260
going to have four parties at the same time.

784
01:09:53,260 --> 01:09:55,660
I think that's pretty much how we've designed it to work.

785
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:56,800
Chris, correct me or I'm wrong.

786
01:09:58,580 --> 01:09:59,300
That's correct.

787
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:01,960
Okay.

788
01:10:02,180 --> 01:10:02,420
Thank you.

789
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:07,600
I'm glad to hear that you have some plans and to know the plan B and plan C, so.

790
01:10:08,460 --> 01:10:13,740
But when you said you're flexible, it's not necessarily there's space that you could

791
01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:19,120
push out and add in your parking space is more that could be some renders may not need

792
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:19,440
a car.

793
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:20,260
Correct.

794
01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:27,850
And they're not assigned, so if you park in space 2A, because it's not assigned to your

795
01:10:27,850 --> 01:10:31,850
apartment, so you could also park in space 3A if it's available, so as long as you have

796
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:32,250
a permit.

797
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:33,510
Okay.

798
01:10:33,690 --> 01:10:33,970
Thank you.

799
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:46,540
Oh, sorry.

800
01:10:46,700 --> 01:10:47,100
I was muted.

801
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:48,480
Mr. McBride, go ahead.

802
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:50,020
Thank you.

803
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:54,120
Yes.

804
01:10:55,180 --> 01:10:55,660
I'm...

805
01:10:55,660 --> 01:10:56,420
Thank you.

806
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:03,720
The...

807
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:16,310
about universal design principles and how this is fitting in with the request

808
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:26,710
to not have the inclusionary unit be accessible specifically.

809
01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:33,670
I don't know who wants to.

810
01:11:34,210 --> 01:11:39,890
Can you rephrase the question? I think the request was not from us.

811
01:11:39,890 --> 01:11:47,650
that was from a regional housing authority to separate that you had spoken to the local

812
01:11:47,650 --> 01:11:52,110
as opposed to the regional. And can you tell me a little more about that conversation?

813
01:11:53,290 --> 01:11:59,770
It was very simple. We walked them through the plans and indicated where the affordable

814
01:11:59,770 --> 01:12:05,010
units were, indicated where the accessible units were, and they just frankly said,

815
01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:11,370
we appreciate that one of the accessible units is actually an affordable unit. We like that.

816
01:12:12,450 --> 01:12:16,410
Exactly what they said. So we're like, all right, we'll move forward with that.

817
01:12:17,150 --> 01:12:24,170
Great. Sounds reasonable. The idea of the floating condition for inclusionary units seems

818
01:12:24,170 --> 01:12:28,130
like a very kind and common sense solution that I support.

819
01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:34,030
I like that the use of rain barrels

820
01:12:35,010 --> 01:12:47,630
So, Mr. Johnson at your house, your private home and would encourage more in each of the

821
01:12:47,630 --> 01:13:00,490
landscaped areas, it makes sense in each of the landscaped areas to not use puddle

822
01:13:00,490 --> 01:13:04,350
water for watering landscapes.

823
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:12,670
I have to say that the renderings, they still seem very

824
01:13:12,670 --> 01:13:20,190
bald to me. I love that you've added more trees, but because building up is so close to

825
01:13:20,190 --> 01:13:30,750
the street and the high part then the electrical lines would prevent plantings. It is missing

826
01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:38,910
that visual separation. If you go back, could someone bring up the rendering, the street

827
01:13:38,910 --> 01:13:39,490
rendering?

828
01:14:00,910 --> 01:14:05,810
Yeah, that one. I mean, if you look, again, if you look at it, if you look farther

829
01:14:05,810 --> 01:14:13,090
down the street you see trees and you see that there are trees behind this view. It just

830
01:14:13,090 --> 01:14:21,910
seems like there's very little to kind of buffer that visual from the street. And even

831
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:33,250
if that building F was rotated by feet away from the sidewalk, it looks like you could probably

832
01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:44,310
get one in there. I know that it is sloped, but I for the tree committee to say that they

833
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:50,110
strongly encourage planting. I think it's something that you should consider and look at again.

834
01:14:54,050 --> 01:14:59,530
Also, shrubbery, so I think a great idea. It might be sufficient because it is above.

835
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:12,540
The street level, that might have some impact on the baldness that I'm seeing.

836
01:15:14,860 --> 01:15:16,660
I like the idea

837
01:15:16,660 --> 01:15:17,720
of having more greenery.

838
01:15:20,340 --> 01:15:28,200
So, as far as the fence goes, the butters are going to be impacted

839
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:39,580
by this project and while generally I'm not a fan of border fences between

840
01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:47,360
neighbors. I do appreciate Mr. Johnson's willingness to listen and make changes. I

841
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:58,180
understand that with the grade changes and the psych conditions and the

842
01:15:58,180 --> 01:16:06,060
for them, although it would be nice if this were a green solution with just more

843
01:16:06,060 --> 01:16:12,260
freeze and shrubbery. But can I ask what the fence is going to be made out of?

844
01:16:15,210 --> 01:16:20,330
Well, we proposed greenery as a screening element and that was not acceptable to the

845
01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:27,470
butters. They want actual secure privacy. And we are not sure what the fence is made of yet.

846
01:16:29,610 --> 01:16:33,130
Could I request that it not be vinyl?

847
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:39,390
Some people like the look of a brand new vinyl fence, and very quickly it turns from

848
01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:42,350
sharp looking to yuck.

849
01:16:45,210 --> 01:16:47,650
So that could be a suggestion.

850
01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:53,530
So if they want a seven foot fence, I would be willing to sign on to that.

851
01:16:53,530 --> 01:17:02,390
the Greeley Village sightlines, I think they could be enhanced by adding native shrubs.

852
01:17:04,150 --> 01:17:10,410
You know, there are some that are just the witch hazel and viburnum, and we have a version

853
01:17:10,410 --> 01:17:18,730
of things like that, support pollinators and wildlife, and they can get pretty large and can do a very

854
01:17:18,730 --> 01:17:24,450
nice job of screening. Can you go back to that slide that shows these site lines from Greeley?

855
01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:33,590
Sure, but I will say that, Jim, you can probably attest to this, that because of all the Norway

856
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:38,790
maples that exist around the perimeter of both Greeley and the north side, nothing, there's no

857
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:46,870
understory that's worked there. So I think that's one of the challenges and I won't pretend to be a

858
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:52,810
landscape architects might, you can weigh in on that, but I'll pull up to them.

859
01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:55,630
Yeah, pop the plan, please. The room.

860
01:18:12,590 --> 01:18:16,270
Yeah, just it's going to be very dark under there between the buildings and the trees.

861
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:26,700
So you're saying that the Norway maples are on the Greeley Village side?

862
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:36,200
Yeah, they're on on both sides. This is Jim. I think just from walking the property and the

863
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:41,080
feel of it, Ms. McBride, you mentioned that you're concerned about the Greeley Village

864
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:52,140
sightlines. I think those buildings are further away from our property line and also are quite a bit

865
01:18:52,140 --> 01:19:02,340
lower and so I think the sight lines from Greeley Village up towards our property are already

866
01:19:02,340 --> 01:19:09,700
very obscured by trees, very, very screened and that's not going to change. I think the concern

867
01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:17,840
is more along the Tukesbury side, those abouters where we also have a lot of dense trees and the

868
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,900
The neighbors there for years have had different opinions.

869
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:26,920
Some have asked us to take trees out, and some have wanted to have trees there the way

870
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:27,320
they are.

871
01:19:28,660 --> 01:19:36,160
So where we are pulled in both directions, our plan is to keep all the trees we possibly

872
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:44,220
can, whether or not they're Norway maples, since they are Norway maples, it cuts the possibilities

873
01:19:44,220 --> 01:19:53,480
for understory plantings. Can you go to slide four on the architectural plan set,

874
01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:05,520
slide number or picture three?

875
01:20:08,980 --> 01:20:18,880
It just seems to me that some of the some of the

876
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:25,760
sunnier part on that slope and because it is lower and it's looking up well

877
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,580
this this is a representation I don't think we have every exact tree marked and

878
01:20:30,580 --> 01:20:37,600
rendered in this image okay so I can't we can't speak to the accuracy of this

879
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:43,940
because it's it's a software thing you know we can you can go back out to the

880
01:20:43,940 --> 01:20:49,540
site and take a look. But yeah, we just we've seen that there's been no no growth possible

881
01:20:49,540 --> 01:20:59,190
underneath the the amount of trees that are that are there. I mean yeah, if you could go out

882
01:20:59,190 --> 01:21:06,130
and look at the possibilities just because from there looking up a problem might actually be

883
01:21:06,130 --> 01:21:10,870
very effective. So if there's any way that you could you could explore that possibility that would

884
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:22,950
rate and then let's see in terms of runoff down the driveway just to the

885
01:21:24,130 --> 01:21:30,850
southwest of the bottom of the driveway is that is it possible to put a

886
01:21:30,850 --> 01:21:36,450
rain garden in there to accommodate so so that maybe less of the rain is

887
01:21:36,450 --> 01:21:38,310
out to the street drains?

888
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,820
There's not a lot of room there. There's the transformer

889
01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:54,400
lives down in that area to the low part so that would be then to the to the higher

890
01:21:54,400 --> 01:22:01,420
side. We have the start of the wall and the start of what will be Jim's house. So

891
01:22:01,420 --> 01:22:05,460
there's just not a whole heck of a lot of room there. I can certainly take a look

892
01:22:05,460 --> 01:22:09,560
but I don't think that there's going to be anything of significance that could

893
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,080
happen there. Right I'm just looking at let's see what

894
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:20,260
picture is that and looking at. Yeah the transformer is there but maybe just

895
01:22:20,260 --> 01:22:25,840
slightly lower than the transformer if there's a way to create just a little

896
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:32,040
pocket area there or with some plantings to accommodate. I do worry about the

897
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:32,720
runoff right?

898
01:22:34,940 --> 01:22:39,320
I understand that there are certain constraints but yeah if you

899
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:43,120
you can, if you can explore that a little bit, that would be, that would be fantastic.

900
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:52,820
And yeah, the, I understand the, the hesitation to put a bus shelter in there, but there

901
01:22:52,820 --> 01:22:58,260
are two, you know, there's the A1 express and there's also the 76 that go by there.

902
01:22:58,300 --> 01:23:03,220
So it would be nice to have accommodation for the bus shelter.

903
01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:10,760
Are you planning to, as the Transpacial Advisory Committee had written, are you planning

904
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:16,500
on handing out the information materials on the MBTA and the, yes, okay, Mark, thank

905
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:16,760
you.

906
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:25,100
Masca, that is terrific, because again, back to the parking issue, if more people have access

907
01:23:25,100 --> 01:23:28,340
to other forms of transportation, that's better.

908
01:23:29,340 --> 01:23:30,480
All right, that's it for me.

909
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:31,140
Thank you.

910
01:23:31,660 --> 01:23:32,820
Thank you, Mr. McBride.

911
01:23:33,060 --> 01:23:34,260
So I'll wrap it up.

912
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,080
A lot of things have already been covered.

913
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:42,160
I listened.

914
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,500
If street trees on a better street are viable, please do it.

915
01:23:45,620 --> 01:23:46,700
If it's not, don't do it.

916
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:54,220
I think the bus shelter would be 175 feet from the bus stop

917
01:23:54,220 --> 01:23:56,020
as pointed out by the applicant.

918
01:23:56,440 --> 01:23:58,860
I think that's too far to make it useful.

919
01:24:00,380 --> 01:24:07,260
Let's see, I support the need for signage mentioned in the staff report, like watch

920
01:24:07,260 --> 01:24:12,880
alpha bicycles, and with respect to visitor parking, I suggest it should be surface parking

921
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,880
close to Beffer Street, and they should be assigned, saying visitor parking only.

922
01:24:17,860 --> 01:24:21,080
I think tandem spaces for visitors is not going to work.

923
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,020
I think that should be assigned spaces.

924
01:24:24,020 --> 01:24:30,660
cases. We already talked about closing the existing curb cut and making one that's

925
01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:37,740
appropriate for the path. In a lease agreement, you can stipulate how many parking cars are

926
01:24:37,740 --> 01:24:44,560
allowed for the apartment. And let's see, with the Council on Aging, please consider

927
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:50,000
all the comments and accommodate to the degree possible. So I'm finished.

928
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:57,160
I'm going to move on. It's 7.25. If you have one question, go ahead.

929
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:07,740
Thank you. I had two, but you mentioned one on the list of questions, requests from the Council on Aging.

930
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:12,100
So I'm not going to, yeah, that's 100% support. I think that needs to be addressed.

931
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,720
The other thing I want to mention is that we all agree that on the Bedford side,

932
01:25:16,900 --> 01:25:23,020
there will be a nice for the people who live there, the renters to have a little bit screening

933
01:25:23,020 --> 01:25:27,600
a little bit away from the very busy street actually. There's a double yellow line on the

934
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:35,300
Bedford Street. It's not shown on the on the rendering. I request it last time. So it's a very

935
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:43,780
busy street and it's pretty close to the back to the sidewalk. I understand you guys said there's

936
01:25:43,780 --> 01:25:52,060
not enough room but the room is decided by the size of the buildings. So I understand you decided

937
01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:58,360
is still keep building F which could have solved all our problems. However, if you want to keep the

938
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:07,120
building 5 for economic or other reasons, I was wondering if you would consider shrink building F,

939
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:17,360
I'm sorry, building F and or building A, I believe, A and B, so that they have just a couple of

940
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:23,880
not a lot, two feet, three feet away from the sidewalk, from the street. I

941
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:30,020
think that would make a world of difference if it's possible. So I think, you

942
01:26:30,020 --> 01:26:35,840
know, we're not, I don't know how flexible you guys are to consider for people

943
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:41,200
who are right there to have a little bit more privacy, a little bit of space from

944
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,920
the street, but I think that should be something to be considered, to shrink the

945
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:52,800
one or two other buildings to make it more present. Thank you.

946
01:26:53,140 --> 01:26:54,340
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

947
01:26:57,540 --> 01:27:01,200
Okay. Ms. McKabe, you've had a handout for a while. Please go ahead.

948
01:27:01,740 --> 01:27:12,700
Thank you. I just want to see if I don't think we heard from most of the members, but we didn't hear from Mr. Johnson in Mr. Cree John, the seven-foot fence and what your thoughts were on that.

949
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,280
I'm fine with that, seven-foot fence.

950
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,020
Again, it's for privacy.

951
01:27:20,020 --> 01:27:22,640
It's not for blocking view of the buildings.

952
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,600
When they're in the backyard, they want to feel so it's private.

953
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:26,820
So I'm okay with that.

954
01:27:28,580 --> 01:27:32,260
Yeah, so about the fencing, I'm okay with that too,

955
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:37,000
because I think we are, the planning for one of the purposes

956
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,240
is that we are all for the whole neighborhood and for the community.

957
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:46,460
So, we make sure the new development is having a positive effect on everyone.

958
01:27:46,660 --> 01:27:52,900
So, I'm okay with that, but like Ms. McBride mentioned, I support natural wood kind of

959
01:27:52,900 --> 01:27:57,940
fencing, not plastic, because it just creates a lot of problems down the roads.

960
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:07,200
So, even though it can feel like durable, but they're just trash, you know, eventually they

961
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:13,660
It can now be naturally composited or degraded once it's after its lifetime.

962
01:28:14,660 --> 01:28:24,020
And also just one quick note on the, I'm sorry, I just one quick note on the on the bus

963
01:28:24,020 --> 01:28:24,460
shelter.

964
01:28:24,780 --> 01:28:29,640
I just want to mention we talked about, I mentioned that earlier, I still strongly support

965
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:34,520
what the transportation advisory committee mentioned about adding a bus shelter, even though

966
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:41,220
is closer to the next one. I think they have the reasons and I think I encourage you to talk to

967
01:28:41,220 --> 01:28:47,140
them about the possibility of maybe even MDTA move their bus stop little closer to you guys or

968
01:28:47,140 --> 01:28:52,880
whatever it is. I think they have a good reasons to suggest that and I don't want to take more time

969
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:59,120
to debate if it's worthwhile or not here, but I recommend that you talk to them if possible. Thank you.

970
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:07,320
Okay, fair enough. Thank you. So we're finished with board comments questions. Does the applicant

971
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,140
team have anything at this point?

972
01:29:11,940 --> 01:29:14,100
I think we're all set. I think we've got some good comments.

973
01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:21,840
We can take back and see what other changes we can make. But I think we're all set at this point

974
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:26,980
responding. Okay, good. I do think all the questions and comments were on the table now. So thank

975
01:29:26,980 --> 01:29:27,580
Thank you very much.

976
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:34,300
So, with that, I'll go to Ms. Thompson from Ocean.

977
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:48,600
Move to continue the public hearing for the site plan review application at 80 Bedford Street to Wednesday, September 16th, 2026 at or after 6pm on Zoom.

978
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:50,860
Thank you. Is there a second?

979
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:51,540
Second.

980
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:52,880
Thank you.

981
01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:55,080
We'll go to a vote, Ms. Thompson.

982
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:55,880
Yes.

983
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:56,120
Yes.

984
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:57,300
This is Sean Walker.

985
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:57,960
Yes.

986
01:29:58,620 --> 01:29:59,200
Mr. Johnson.

987
01:29:59,740 --> 01:29:59,980
Yes.

988
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,700
Yes. Ms. McBride. Yes. And I'm yes. So it's unanimous. Thank you very much.

989
01:30:08,740 --> 01:30:17,540
Let's see. It's 730. I think we'll get, we'll start with five seven spring street and then we'll see if we have a chance to take a break.

990
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:30,180
So this is a, this is the first public hearing for proposal to construct multifamily housing in the villageral village district at five and seven spring street.

991
01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:36,820
The proposal is for three two family homes using the revised MBTA communities by law.

992
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:41,840
And will the applicant please make introductions and present the project?

993
01:30:42,060 --> 01:30:42,320
Thank you.

994
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:44,700
Yes, Mr. Chair, if I may.

995
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:46,440
Mike Novak from Patriot Engineering.

996
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:53,260
With me tonight is the on-rapplicant John Saran from Holmes Development, along with Jeff

997
01:30:53,260 --> 01:30:57,160
Toma landscape architect and Mike McKay project architect.

998
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:04,940
I will start with the review of the plans and then I'll hand it over to Jeff and then Mike and then we'll bring it back to you Mr. Chair.

999
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:10,040
I will bring up my plans if you'll just bear with me a moment.

1000
01:31:11,820 --> 01:31:15,480
And if once you say you can see everything, I will commence.

1001
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:21,510
Okay, great.

1002
01:31:22,050 --> 01:31:26,490
So, as you stated, we're here for a five and seven spring street under the village

1003
01:31:26,490 --> 01:31:27,130
overlay district.

1004
01:31:27,450 --> 01:31:31,370
The two lots are located in the in the dark of bold in the middle of the plan here.

1005
01:31:32,130 --> 01:31:35,970
Just south of the intersection of Merritt Road with spring street.

1006
01:31:36,710 --> 01:31:42,790
Those of you at the site walk will remember that these are two individual parcels that

1007
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:46,190
are being combined to allow for the development.

1008
01:31:47,210 --> 01:31:50,250
And I'll with that said, I'll jump to the, oops, sorry about that.

1009
01:31:50,970 --> 01:31:57,170
So this is the, this is a representation of the existing conditions, you'll recall spring

1010
01:31:57,170 --> 01:31:57,730
tree here.

1011
01:31:58,390 --> 01:32:02,010
Five is on the right, seven is on the left, again two single family dwellings.

1012
01:32:02,290 --> 01:32:09,130
Seven has an associated driveway that drives straight into a garage attached, and if you recall

1013
01:32:09,130 --> 01:32:14,310
five has a slope driveway that brings around to the rear to a rear garage and then actually

1014
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:18,250
connects back into the parcel adjacent to the north.

1015
01:32:19,290 --> 01:32:24,390
both both properties slope away from Spring Street. Again five slopes a

1016
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:28,790
little deeper with a small retaining wall. You recall that there's a filled in

1017
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:34,270
area to the rear of five that's was probably a parking lot at some point but

1018
01:32:34,270 --> 01:32:39,730
has not or over flow parking for the the butter but has since not been used. And

1019
01:32:39,730 --> 01:32:46,350
then seven slopes to a fairly flat back area that's grasped with a with a low

1020
01:32:46,350 --> 01:32:48,810
point in the middle. The project,

1021
01:32:51,250 --> 01:32:54,230
sorry about that, not sure what's going on with my plans there.

1022
01:32:55,630 --> 01:33:02,510
The project is to construct three buildings, each with two townhome units

1023
01:33:03,070 --> 01:33:08,730
a piece. So building A will have two, building B will have two, and building C will have two as well.

1024
01:33:10,290 --> 01:33:18,310
Each unit will have a garage attached inside. The building A both units and building

1025
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:24,710
be both units, those will be tandem garages, building C will be single garages correct correct.

1026
01:33:26,010 --> 01:33:30,630
And when we get to the renderings, you'll see how that will look in regards to how those

1027
01:33:30,630 --> 01:33:31,490
are laid out.

1028
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:38,370
The intent of the site development is to close the driveway entrance at five and relocate

1029
01:33:38,370 --> 01:33:44,650
the entrance of seven a little further away or self of merit road intersection and provide

1030
01:33:44,650 --> 01:33:52,090
just one access, 24 access, to a common drive area that will allow access to all driveways

1031
01:33:52,090 --> 01:33:58,790
on all garage bases. And we wanted to do that to centralize the bulk of the impervious

1032
01:33:58,790 --> 01:34:04,690
area, which will be brought to catch basin collection and infiltrate it into the system

1033
01:34:04,690 --> 01:34:11,010
shown here along with all of the roof areas. In an effort to bring in some low impact

1034
01:34:11,010 --> 01:34:17,690
development in design as well. We're proposing pervious patios and pervious walkways for all of the units

1035
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:21,910
as part of the overall development.

1036
01:34:23,930 --> 01:34:27,770
Quick utility layout just for everyone to understand we're

1037
01:34:27,770 --> 01:34:32,630
just going to bring in a main water and a main sewer to service off each unit. And again,

1038
01:34:32,690 --> 01:34:39,990
the system will be located here. Transformer to the self or in the corner. I believe we talked about

1039
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:43,350
on site, we're probably going to extend some fencing around that and relocate that slightly.

1040
01:34:44,190 --> 01:34:48,230
But with that, I was going to let Jeff take over and walk you through how we're going

1041
01:34:48,230 --> 01:34:52,610
to lay out the site and landscape it, and from there, we'll go to Mr. Kay.

1042
01:34:53,130 --> 01:34:53,610
So Jeff.

1043
01:34:54,670 --> 01:34:55,590
Good evening, everybody.

1044
01:34:56,350 --> 01:34:56,930
Thanks, Mike.

1045
01:34:57,670 --> 01:34:58,630
My name is Jeff Tomas.

1046
01:34:58,710 --> 01:35:03,030
Mike said I'm a landscape architect for the project, and I'll quickly go through the site

1047
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:07,110
plan for everybody as it's the planning board's first time taking a look at the site.

1048
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:14,990
The site may be small but still has the same concerns that we have with every site, even

1049
01:35:14,990 --> 01:35:15,790
the larger ones.

1050
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:20,690
And we look at the site, we want to be concerned with the edges, what happens on the edges

1051
01:35:20,690 --> 01:35:25,110
of the property, who are the abutters, what's happened to left to the right, and behind us,

1052
01:35:25,310 --> 01:35:28,150
and then what's the street scape look like.

1053
01:35:28,610 --> 01:35:33,630
And so with that in mind, we take a look at the existing conditions on site,

1054
01:35:36,450 --> 01:35:36,750
and one of

1055
01:35:36,750 --> 01:35:40,050
observing as many of the existing trees as we can,

1056
01:35:40,910 --> 01:35:42,610
considering the footprint of the site.

1057
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:44,110
And Mike, you can point those out.

1058
01:35:44,230 --> 01:35:46,070
Those are in the sort of dark green

1059
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:47,530
with the solid circle there.

1060
01:35:50,410 --> 01:35:52,750
For in the corner, there's some opportunities,

1061
01:35:53,110 --> 01:35:56,830
a big pine tree in the front by the sidewalk

1062
01:35:56,830 --> 01:36:00,250
and a couple of smaller pine trees on site plan right.

1063
01:36:00,910 --> 01:36:03,110
And so those are the existing trees that we're saving.

1064
01:36:03,850 --> 01:36:04,890
And then we take a look at,

1065
01:36:04,890 --> 01:36:10,190
But, you know, how can we improve the site for the butters and make sure that they're

1066
01:36:10,190 --> 01:36:11,670
not happy with the proposed development.

1067
01:36:12,490 --> 01:36:17,150
And so one of the main concerns is screening and we're proposing a six foot fence that

1068
01:36:17,150 --> 01:36:22,410
surrounds the site on the left or right and in the back and that helps to provide privacy

1069
01:36:22,410 --> 01:36:29,710
for the new tenants of the project and then helps them also provide screening and some privacy

1070
01:36:29,710 --> 01:36:33,170
for the neighbors that are but the property on those three sides.

1071
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:39,710
We're also trying to provide street tree planting,

1072
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:42,970
on any street scape that we work on.

1073
01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:44,850
We'd like to propose some large shade trees

1074
01:36:44,850 --> 01:36:48,970
to help with the street scape in the town of Lexington.

1075
01:36:49,130 --> 01:36:51,550
You can see those along Spring Street, those are the two trees

1076
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,850
that are to the right of the driveway there.

1077
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:56,970
And that's going to help with, you know,

1078
01:36:57,130 --> 01:36:58,910
we had a chance to work on every project.

1079
01:36:59,150 --> 01:37:03,030
We plant street trees in that tree lawn or close to that.

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01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:07,950
and really improve the canopy that exists along the town of Lexington.

1081
01:37:09,010 --> 01:37:13,850
Again, I'm a landscape architect, so not only am I concerned with how the site works

1082
01:37:13,850 --> 01:37:20,810
with the abutters, but we're also trying to create some amenity spaces for the new residents

1083
01:37:20,810 --> 01:37:28,010
and we've done that both each individual unit has its own private patio behind the unit.

1084
01:37:28,210 --> 01:37:32,190
They're small, but they're big enough to put a table in a couple of chairs for each unit.

1085
01:37:32,190 --> 01:37:38,170
and then there's a small fence and some planting in between the units that are

1086
01:37:38,170 --> 01:37:45,070
our tandem to each other or immediately adjacent. In addition to those spaces for

1087
01:37:45,070 --> 01:37:51,510
each individual unit we're also providing some common amenity space and I know

1088
01:37:52,090 --> 01:37:56,510
we've had some discussions with the the planning department and they want to

1089
01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:59,810
make sure that we meet the 300 square foot requirement and I talked to them

1090
01:37:59,810 --> 01:38:08,110
today. And you can see that corner up there in the angular upper glove building B1 at

1091
01:38:08,110 --> 01:38:13,290
angle shape. There's a paved patio space with a picnic table and a couple of benches

1092
01:38:13,290 --> 01:38:19,830
for right some seating area. Then there's open lawn space, flowering trees, and some ornamental

1093
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:26,270
plantings along the fence to help provide a nice amenity for the residents who want to go out.

1094
01:38:26,270 --> 01:38:30,890
maybe if they have some larger gatherings and want to picnic outside or just sit outside

1095
01:38:30,890 --> 01:38:36,930
and have a meal, whether that be lunch or dinner, that's a nice place for the six families

1096
01:38:37,490 --> 01:38:38,650
that might be living there.

1097
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:43,770
Additionally, you know, I'm always concerned with the planting and how we do the planting.

1098
01:38:44,630 --> 01:38:49,910
And as always, we develop the plant list based on the town of Lexington's preferred plant list.

1099
01:38:50,370 --> 01:38:54,890
And the most important planting always starts with the structural part of the landscape and

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01:38:54,890 --> 01:38:56,690
And that's the large shade trees.

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01:38:57,430 --> 01:39:00,390
And you can see, again, a reiterate we're planting two

1102
01:39:00,390 --> 01:39:01,990
street trees along Spring Street.

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01:39:02,570 --> 01:39:04,610
Those are going to be red oaks, and then there's five

1104
01:39:04,610 --> 01:39:07,710
additional shade trees which are red maples

1105
01:39:07,710 --> 01:39:11,450
between our property in the adjacent neighbor.

1106
01:39:12,090 --> 01:39:14,510
And those are going to provide shade for the drive

1107
01:39:14,970 --> 01:39:17,390
and again, some additional screening and scale

1108
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:21,430
from the budding neighbor and for the proposed property

1109
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:25,810
to help bring those two-story units back down to scale.

1110
01:39:26,590 --> 01:39:30,090
And when I say that, I also not only like to always include

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01:39:30,090 --> 01:39:33,190
the large shade trees, but part of the landscape

1112
01:39:33,190 --> 01:39:37,150
is there's three portions of the landscape in terms of planting.

1113
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:41,450
There's the canopy, the understory, and then the ground cover.

1114
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:44,690
And in the understory trees, we have these small flowering trees.

1115
01:39:45,210 --> 01:39:46,470
They're important to every site.

1116
01:39:46,590 --> 01:39:50,090
You can see I've got some colored light pink.

1117
01:39:50,590 --> 01:39:55,670
And what they do is help bring the scale from the outdoor to the interior spaces.

1118
01:39:56,250 --> 01:40:00,570
Not only do they provide ornamental flowers in the spring time, but we help

1119
01:40:00,570 --> 01:40:04,870
again start to bring that outdoor scale back to the inside if you plant them near

1120
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:09,510
the entrances or if you plant them near the exterior spaces. And that's what we're

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01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:15,390
doing here. And then additionally the landscape always has the, you know, the

1122
01:40:15,390 --> 01:40:18,910
ground cover and the woody shrubs that provide that last layer of ornamental

1123
01:40:18,910 --> 01:40:23,630
interest for the landscape. So we've got evergreens and deciduous shrubs to

1124
01:40:23,630 --> 01:40:27,910
ride seasonal interest for four seasons of the year. And then additionally the

1125
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:33,090
ground cover to front erosion control and provide some space for the

1126
01:40:33,090 --> 01:40:37,550
residents to use flexible lawn space. Additionally, then there's perennials and

1127
01:40:37,550 --> 01:40:43,090
ground cover in addition to that. So we're trying to hit all of the key

1128
01:40:43,090 --> 01:40:48,170
components with the landscape. As Mike said, the paved spaces are going to be

1129
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:53,930
porous or let water come through them. It's part of the sustainability that we

1130
01:40:53,930 --> 01:40:55,550
like to have with all of our sites.

1131
01:40:58,410 --> 01:41:01,730
I also can touch real briefly on, there's

1132
01:41:01,730 --> 01:41:05,650
some bicycle parking that we're providing, you know, temporary spaces they

1133
01:41:05,650 --> 01:41:10,010
call it. There's two spaces required for this size development and you can see

1134
01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:16,210
those just to the left of building C1 and C2. And I know there's been comments

1135
01:41:16,210 --> 01:41:22,010
about having the more centrally located, but you know it's such a small site and there's not a

1136
01:41:22,010 --> 01:41:27,550
better place for them that anybody could find and I think you know considering it's a small site

1137
01:41:27,550 --> 01:41:33,090
that that's a fine place for those two spots. We certainly be open to locating it you know somewhere

1138
01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:39,150
else if we can think of a better spot for it. Some other concerns that were raised or that you

1139
01:41:39,150 --> 01:41:48,750
should be aware of. We're maintaining that existing sidewalk along Spring Street and then there's

1140
01:41:48,750 --> 01:41:54,330
a transformer for the site that happens to the left of the entry drive. And I think we're also

1141
01:41:54,330 --> 01:42:00,010
exploring moving that a little bit so that we can bring the fencing down, you know, at four feet

1142
01:42:00,010 --> 01:42:04,520
in height for the sort of front yard of the site to provide some screening between the transformer and

1143
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:08,940
the neighbors yard and then move that a little bit up and over to get it out of the

1144
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:14,960
more out of the cone of vision that you need to clear when you're leaving the site from

1145
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,180
a vehicle to make sure that those sight lines remain open.

1146
01:42:19,340 --> 01:42:23,660
And I think that's a real brief understanding of the landscape site plan that I worked out

1147
01:42:23,660 --> 01:42:26,480
with Mike and the architect and the owner.

1148
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:32,300
And I'd like to now obviously I can answer any questions you might have, but I think we'll

1149
01:42:32,300 --> 01:42:35,220
go through our presentation and let the architect explain

1150
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,640
the architecture and the interiors of the buildings

1151
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,160
and how they relate to the site as well.

1152
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:42,360
So Mike, if you could.

1153
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:43,520
Thanks, Mike.

1154
01:42:43,820 --> 01:42:43,980
Thanks, Jeff.

1155
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:45,340
Thanks, Michael.

1156
01:42:46,540 --> 01:42:49,320
In addition to the board, Michael McKay and the project architect,

1157
01:42:50,380 --> 01:42:56,960
as Michael mentioned, it's three two unit townhouse buildings,

1158
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,140
two of the buildings that are identical,

1159
01:43:00,140 --> 01:43:08,300
just flipped. They're simple structures they're designed to be sort of colonial style with

1160
01:43:08,300 --> 01:43:15,320
good detail at the first level breaking up with a little roof overhang the entry bay or the

1161
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:24,300
second floor bay to break up the facade and then the attic level is designed to be a shed

1162
01:43:24,300 --> 01:43:26,440
at dormer, just an oversized shed dormer.

1163
01:43:26,620 --> 01:43:32,060
So all three structures are similar in design and detail.

1164
01:43:32,620 --> 01:43:37,480
Just the first two are the wider ones,

1165
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,380
the 36 foot wide, 18 foot units each by 36.

1166
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:46,840
And the back unit, it's a 12 foot wide units,

1167
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:48,820
times the by 36.

1168
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,380
They are, the front doors would be accessible,

1169
01:43:52,980 --> 01:44:00,160
but as townhouses, and they would be exempt from interior accessibility.

1170
01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:10,200
So the entry door is accessible, but units themselves will not be accessible to the second floor, just the ground floor of the parking.

1171
01:44:10,780 --> 01:44:12,100
If you can go to the next slide, please.

1172
01:44:14,430 --> 01:44:19,470
This is the 18 by 36. The units are identical.

1173
01:44:19,470 --> 01:44:23,690
Again, just book matched their garage spaces.

1174
01:44:24,210 --> 01:44:28,930
I think the last meeting, the last presentation we talked about was tandem parking.

1175
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:35,070
We also indicate a bike storage, but we need to resolve that.

1176
01:44:35,130 --> 01:44:41,730
That's one of the open items that we will resolve in the next couple of weeks

1177
01:44:41,730 --> 01:44:47,510
to I think it's the three-foot stand-away or coming up with an alternative similar to

1178
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:54,770
what was discussed earlier. But the anti-tree door provides access to a stairway. There's mechanical

1179
01:44:54,770 --> 01:44:59,970
Michael's face, some storage, trash storage, at the...

1180
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
The ground level stairs go up to an open floor plan. It's basically completely opened with the powder room, little storage, co-closet, and a full kitchen. In the second floor has two bedrooms caught up. One is a little bit larger than the other so that we have a primary, I guess, if you wanted to call it that. Wash your dryer on the second floor. And I'm sure the upper level in the

1181
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:31,260
In this case, it's the third floor.

1182
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:36,720
There would be very little mechanical space above that in the in the gable.

1183
01:45:37,740 --> 01:45:38,780
The next one, please.

1184
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:50,120
This is just a hard line elevation of just calling on materials and that would be our

1185
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:50,760
next one.

1186
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:56,850
And again, one was just the side elevation.

1187
01:45:56,850 --> 01:46:00,770
So this is the 12th by 36.

1188
01:46:01,150 --> 01:46:08,790
These are, this brings me back to the, a long way designed a project in Boston that,

1189
01:46:08,810 --> 01:46:14,230
the West Roxbury that had very similar units and that's where we kind of got this idea.

1190
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:16,090
And the units are very livable.

1191
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:24,230
It's just, it's an alternative, you know, smaller unit, the living space is almost the same concept as the other units.

1192
01:46:24,230 --> 01:46:30,490
It's just all wide open, just a slightly narrower narrow space.

1193
01:46:30,490 --> 01:46:37,750
We spent a good bit of time with John working on the layout to to make everything work.

1194
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:43,010
The entrance door is a recessed on the sides is a walkway again.

1195
01:46:43,070 --> 01:46:47,070
This would be an accessible walkway to the front to that door.

1196
01:46:47,070 --> 01:46:49,550
and then there's a con and a mudroom.

1197
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:53,150
It would be bike storage in that area as well.

1198
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:57,610
Two bedrooms and in this case,

1199
01:46:57,610 --> 01:47:01,030
it's just one common bath and a stack washer dryer.

1200
01:47:02,650 --> 01:47:03,970
And the next one please.

1201
01:47:06,440 --> 01:47:07,520
It's just a view.

1202
01:47:07,660 --> 01:47:11,540
It's a similar detail as the other building type,

1203
01:47:11,540 --> 01:47:13,020
just a slightly narrower.

1204
01:47:14,020 --> 01:47:15,400
And I think that's it.

1205
01:47:17,930 --> 01:47:18,390
Thank you.

1206
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:26,280
Mr. Chair, you're muted, but I'll say that we're, I think we're all sending

1207
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:30,220
more ready to send it back to the to the board for any questions.

1208
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:38,280
Meeting my lips, Mr. Novak, so listen, before we go further, I am going to take

1209
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:44,440
five minute break. I know I need one, and if I'm the only one, that's the way it is.

1210
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:50,760
So we're going to go into recess now for five minutes, so we'll be back at

1211
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:54,600
803. Thank you.

1212
01:54:03,780 --> 01:54:11,200
Did I get that return time wrong? Yes. Sorry. Okay. Well, I'm here.

1213
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:17,580
It was 15 minutes. Yeah. The applicant team is sharp. They're back on time.

1214
01:54:20,860 --> 01:54:22,860
Okay. Are we all here?

1215
01:54:24,820 --> 01:54:33,720
Michael, Michael, Tina, I don't see Melanie and I don't see Lynn. Sorry about that.

1216
01:55:10,700 --> 01:55:11,900
Melanie, here

1217
01:57:11,290 --> 01:57:16,370
we go. Welcome back, Lynn. I stated the wrong time.

1218
01:57:16,370 --> 01:57:27,970
Okay. So, with that, we'll go to Mr. Kepper to summarize his staff report.

1219
01:57:29,070 --> 01:57:35,210
Yep. Thank you, Mr. Chair. In your packet is also another memo from the

1220
01:57:35,210 --> 01:57:41,770
Planning Office, dated August 13th. I want to highlight that this project is the

1221
01:57:41,770 --> 01:57:47,550
first application that you guys have seen under the new MBTA zoning as it was amended

1222
01:57:47,550 --> 01:57:54,190
through annual town meeting last year in 2025. So in addition to the normal requirements

1223
01:57:54,190 --> 01:57:59,750
we'll be reviewing for. With the other MBTA projects you've seen in the past, we're also

1224
01:57:59,750 --> 01:58:10,050
now looking at the number of units, the net floor area, those are both restricted and

1225
01:58:10,050 --> 01:58:15,530
And then also building height is being measured both in height and feet and in stories.

1226
01:58:17,250 --> 01:58:22,830
So previously it was a height and feet, now stories are included in that as well.

1227
01:58:23,410 --> 01:58:29,870
So in the staff memo with the compliance section, the kind of grid that I put in there,

1228
01:58:29,930 --> 01:58:32,870
there's a few extra sections that weren't in previous memos.

1229
01:58:33,370 --> 01:58:36,890
So I just wanted to highlight that that we are, this is the first one that you're seeing

1230
01:58:36,890 --> 01:58:39,110
since the amendments went in.

1231
01:58:40,830 --> 01:58:43,830
The project is not requesting any relief at this time.

1232
01:58:44,450 --> 01:58:49,190
There are a couple things that we would like to see either added or changed.

1233
01:58:50,090 --> 01:58:53,430
It's a fairly small project compared to what you've seen in the past.

1234
01:58:53,810 --> 01:58:56,070
So my comments are somewhat light.

1235
01:58:56,890 --> 01:59:00,250
But also, there were a few things missing in the submission package

1236
01:59:00,250 --> 01:59:02,290
and just a couple things were looking to see updated.

1237
01:59:03,790 --> 01:59:08,410
First is a photo metrics plan, is it required part of the submittal package?

1238
01:59:10,230 --> 01:59:14,450
Just to see, make sure there's no light spillage on the right of way or across property lines.

1239
01:59:15,850 --> 01:59:22,910
There is a rule that requires no poll-mounted lighting, not be over 12 feet, but I believe

1240
01:59:22,910 --> 01:59:27,550
in discussions there was not going to be any poll-mounted lighting proposed anyways, which we kind

1241
01:59:27,550 --> 01:59:33,310
appreciate keep keep it to a minimum just kind of lighting on the buildings works but either way we

1242
01:59:33,310 --> 01:59:38,070
would need to see a photometric plan just to make sure that there's no light spillage anywhere

1243
01:59:38,570 --> 01:59:44,750
there and that all the proposed fixtures are compliant down down facing and dark sky compliant and all

1244
01:59:44,750 --> 01:59:51,850
that we are also asking to see average natural grade forms to get to the building and zoning offices

1245
01:59:51,850 --> 01:59:58,310
for review. The plans show the, or list the height at exactly 40 feet and exactly three

1246
01:59:58,310 --> 01:59:59,870
stories which are complex.

1247
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:29,980
However, you don't really even have room for a piece of plywood during construction at that point, so we want to make sure that that is confirmed. So, if we could get those forms in to the correct offices as soon as possible, just to confirm that, that would be great. I had some comments about the proposed bicycle parking. I had spoken with at least one of the members of the Lexington bicycle advisory committee, and they said they were working with the applicant to resolve some of the issues.

1248
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:39,660
and Mr. Toma also raised that he was in discussions with them as well, so I know that those are ongoing, so I'm imagining in the next

1249
02:00:39,660 --> 02:00:43,580
some metal package you'll see some updated bike parking details.

1250
02:00:46,420 --> 02:00:50,480
Mr. Toma had also discussed the outdoor amenity space.

1251
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:57,060
I had a comment in the memo just asking to quantify that for your 50 square foot per unit requirement.

1252
02:00:57,060 --> 02:01:01,440
I believe that there's enough space. I just wanted to see it on plans in further

1253
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:08,760
record that it is being reviewed. And then this was more of a minor comment but it

1254
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:15,940
came from the the tree committee just to add the tree by law setback to the

1255
02:01:15,940 --> 02:01:21,500
landscaping plans. The tree by law setback is different than the zoning by law set

1256
02:01:21,500 --> 02:01:28,220
back and it is actually a little bit longer. So from the front, the front setback is 30 feet

1257
02:01:28,220 --> 02:01:36,060
and the sides are 15. Rather than I believe this project was 15 on the front, 15 on the sides,

1258
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:42,380
and 15 on the front, 12 on the sides, and 15 on the rear. So because of the increased setbacks

1259
02:01:42,380 --> 02:01:48,220
for the tree bylaw, we were just asking to see that on plans so that we can verify no protective

1260
02:01:48,220 --> 02:01:54,260
the trees were going unnoticed, and just also have that for the board so that you guys

1261
02:01:54,260 --> 02:02:01,660
can see as well. That was mostly it for me. One more materials are submitted. I may

1262
02:02:01,660 --> 02:02:06,760
have some more comments. Also, in advance of tonight's hearing, you got written comment

1263
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:11,460
letters from the Tree Committee, the Commission on Disability and the Bicycle Advisory Committee,

1264
02:02:11,460 --> 02:02:16,380
and one additional letter from a resident came in as well.

1265
02:02:17,140 --> 02:02:18,800
I believe that was all provided to you,

1266
02:02:18,820 --> 02:02:20,620
and you should be able to access it as well.

1267
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:26,160
The staff recommendation is that at the end of this hearing,

1268
02:02:26,740 --> 02:02:31,480
the board would continue the hearing as well to your September 16th meeting.

1269
02:02:32,060 --> 02:02:34,840
This would give the applicant time to make the requested revisions

1270
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:38,860
and upload materials and also respond to any board and public comments.

1271
02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:44,900
And I'm happy to field any questions if any members have it at this time.

1272
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:50,660
And also, I believe, Rob DeBenedetto from, I hope I'm saying that correctly, is here

1273
02:02:50,660 --> 02:02:53,480
as your peer review consulted from Hancock Associates.

1274
02:02:54,240 --> 02:02:57,520
Thank you, Mr. Kepper, for a good report, usual.

1275
02:02:58,240 --> 02:03:03,960
So at this point, we will go to Mr. DeBenedetto.

1276
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:04,880
Go ahead.

1277
02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:11,680
Hello everyone, for the record my name is Robert DiBenedetto, a civil engineer with Hancock

1278
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:21,080
Associates and we were contracted with the Lexington Planning Board to review the application

1279
02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:27,280
presented for the site plan review. Hancock's review comments are intended to assist the Lexington

1280
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:32,560
Planning Board in understanding the proposed project, identify technical issues relating to the

1281
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:37,920
the storm water design and to make recommendations to the board for possible technical improvements

1282
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:38,760
to the project.

1283
02:03:40,020 --> 02:03:49,100
We received a resumed all the plans and reports and generally the proposed development

1284
02:03:49,100 --> 02:03:54,740
is generally within compliance of the storm water bylaws and local bylaws.

1285
02:03:55,160 --> 02:03:59,040
There are a series of minor comments that we presented in our letter.

1286
02:03:59,780 --> 02:04:11,240
There's a lot of detail in those minor comments and I don't intend to go through all of them at this point unless there are specific ones that you would like to address after I go through the more major items.

1287
02:04:12,060 --> 02:04:13,060
So I'll just review those.

1288
02:04:13,580 --> 02:04:19,820
If you have that in front of you, you can follow along but I'll be referencing the number from our letter.

1289
02:04:19,820 --> 02:04:25,020
So, the first one I'm just going to address is item 16.

1290
02:04:26,820 --> 02:04:31,880
Handcock did not receive an operation and maintenance and erosion and settlement control

1291
02:04:31,880 --> 02:04:33,000
program document.

1292
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:37,600
We recommend that the applicant supply this as a standalone document.

1293
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:44,080
This shows up as a few other comments as well as they relate to the regulations, but that's

1294
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:45,400
just one item that should be addressed.

1295
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:46,480
We

1296
02:04:50,450 --> 02:04:56,350
have items, I'll just go through the major items and you can address smaller ones as you see fit.

1297
02:04:57,070 --> 02:05:04,150
There appears to be a slight coverage issue with regarding to the infiltration system proposed in the driveway.

1298
02:05:04,730 --> 02:05:11,350
The minimum pavement grade that's allowed is at a certain elevation in this case, 252.85.

1299
02:05:12,130 --> 02:05:17,070
It appears that the grading above the system could be a bit lower than that.

1300
02:05:17,070 --> 02:05:24,830
I don't believe this to be any major issue to simply adjust the height of the system within

1301
02:05:24,830 --> 02:05:26,650
the ground or to adjust the gradient above.

1302
02:05:29,550 --> 02:05:37,950
During our site visit, Mike Novak discussed with me an additional test pit that was dug

1303
02:05:37,950 --> 02:05:46,130
near the system much closer to verify the groundwater table is satisfactory for the proposed

1304
02:05:46,130 --> 02:05:55,210
depth of the system. We would recommend that a confirmatory test fit be done on the eastern side of the system as well to be performed before installation.

1305
02:05:56,090 --> 02:06:03,850
No action is needed at this time for that. That can be done during construction and are just to be to confirm the ground water level.

1306
02:06:03,850 --> 02:06:04,770
For

1307
02:06:11,680 --> 02:06:19,000
regarding the hydrocat model, the water modeling program that was used in the existing

1308
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:25,600
and proposed models, there were certain subcashments that were not connected to design points.

1309
02:06:26,100 --> 02:06:28,260
We recommend that those would be connected.

1310
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:33,320
We mentioned this to Mike Novak during our site visit and he said he would address that

1311
02:06:33,320 --> 02:06:33,700
as well.

1312
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:40,940
This allows the total subcatchment areas to balance between the pre and post models and

1313
02:06:40,940 --> 02:06:44,760
ensures that we are comparing apples to apples with regards to pre and post.

1314
02:06:45,620 --> 02:06:51,260
Again, I don't see this having any adverse effects to the overall design, nothing should

1315
02:06:51,260 --> 02:06:55,820
change as a result, but this would just bring the modeling to a more of a completed state.

1316
02:07:02,080 --> 02:07:03,200
A couple other items.

1317
02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:10,340
Hengok recommends that the applicant include some offsite topography and structures around

1318
02:07:10,340 --> 02:07:14,000
the project to justify the extent of the subcatchments.

1319
02:07:14,520 --> 02:07:21,120
This is more to confirm that the subcatchment areas that are shown in the model do represent

1320
02:07:21,120 --> 02:07:22,240
what's actually out there.

1321
02:07:22,980 --> 02:07:28,120
I don't foresee major adjustments, but it's just to ensure that water that's flowing towards

1322
02:07:28,120 --> 02:07:33,420
the south is indeed doing so and not going to other areas and that there aren't any potential

1323
02:07:33,420 --> 02:07:36,820
offsite areas that are making it on to the site that weren't considered.

1324
02:07:39,340 --> 02:07:46,080
Final comment, a mounting analysis is required for infiltration systems if it appears

1325
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:53,540
if there is less than a four foot offset to the groundwater. At the moment that four foot offset

1326
02:07:53,540 --> 02:07:59,480
is proposed and it's being maintained. However, if there are adjustments being made to the

1327
02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:04,160
depths then we should just make sure that it is, if it's required, that it's being provided for

1328
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:05,200
the depths that we propose.

1329
02:08:09,820 --> 02:08:16,780
Is that it? Yes, is that it? That's it for the more major items to

1330
02:08:16,780 --> 02:08:24,940
consider. Again, there is quite a few very small items that can be addressed if anyone has any specific

1331
02:08:24,940 --> 02:08:32,680
of the questions. Okay, you know, given that we have so few attendees for this meeting,

1332
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:40,120
just three attendees, I wonder if the applicant and team wants to respond to Mr. DiBenedadada

1333
02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:47,940
with this time, or not. Mr. Chair, yes, I can do an all-encompassing response. His letter

1334
02:08:47,940 --> 02:08:53,200
was thorough, well put together. I agree with him that there's detail associated with

1335
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:57,220
the mind of comments, but nothing that I feel is though will drastically change the project

1336
02:08:57,220 --> 02:09:00,080
and I feel as though I can address all of his comments adequately.

1337
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:02,160
Perfect.

1338
02:09:02,520 --> 02:09:04,120
Just what we want to hear, Mr. Novak.

1339
02:09:04,260 --> 02:09:05,200
Thank you.

1340
02:09:05,300 --> 02:09:05,560
Thank you.

1341
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:11,660
So then at this time, let me see if there's any public comment.

1342
02:09:12,740 --> 02:09:14,860
Yes, there's one hand raised.

1343
02:09:17,860 --> 02:09:22,820
So Miss Sherry Pollock, if you would please introduce yourself including your address

1344
02:09:22,820 --> 02:09:24,900
and go ahead. Ms.

1345
02:09:36,960 --> 02:09:39,060
Paul, are you there? You're muted.

1346
02:09:41,630 --> 02:09:43,610
Okay, can you hear me? There you go.

1347
02:09:43,930 --> 02:09:52,710
Thank you. This is my first time to any kind of hearing about the next door property.

1348
02:09:54,330 --> 02:09:57,630
And it's a big change for the neighborhood.

1349
02:09:59,870 --> 02:10:01,670
It's a big change for me.

1350
02:10:01,670 --> 02:10:11,330
What I'm concerned with is the red maples that are proposed to be planted on in between

1351
02:10:11,330 --> 02:10:12,330
the two properties.

1352
02:10:14,170 --> 02:10:25,920
And I have asked a while ago that they're not just that they not be deciduous trees.

1353
02:10:27,060 --> 02:10:34,500
I understand the need for shade, trees, and them all for anything about trees, but deciduous

1354
02:10:34,500 --> 02:10:43,480
trees make a lot of work for me, to be honest, and will really affect my property a lot.

1355
02:10:43,580 --> 02:10:50,220
I have a lot of garden space in both my backyard and what I call the way back.

1356
02:10:50,220 --> 02:10:54,540
And, you know, that's basically it.

1357
02:10:54,820 --> 02:11:03,540
We've been doing well around this area with the green giant arbority, which is not a

1358
02:11:03,540 --> 02:11:04,640
deciduous tree.

1359
02:11:05,220 --> 02:11:12,900
I've also looked up and found the Colorado blue spruce as interesting, and even the eastern

1360
02:11:12,900 --> 02:11:20,120
white pine, which is pretty interesting because during colonial times, the finest specimen

1361
02:11:20,120 --> 02:11:23,320
were used by the British fiducian mass.

1362
02:11:24,240 --> 02:11:26,520
I thought that was kind of clever.

1363
02:11:28,120 --> 02:11:31,980
That's it, that's my, oh, one more point I have.

1364
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:36,920
I would prefer that transfer of form or be, you know,

1365
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:41,600
moved as far away as my body as possible.

1366
02:11:43,120 --> 02:11:43,720
Thanks.

1367
02:11:44,420 --> 02:11:45,440
Thank you, Miss Pollock.

1368
02:11:48,280 --> 02:11:57,020
Since there are no other hands raised by the public, by attendees, then I will go to

1369
02:11:57,020 --> 02:12:00,020
the board for questions and comments.

1370
02:12:01,620 --> 02:12:05,740
By the way, does the board prefer to do questions and come back?

1371
02:12:06,380 --> 02:12:11,780
What's been happening is no matter what I say, whoever has questions and comments says it

1372
02:12:11,780 --> 02:12:12,520
at the same time.

1373
02:12:14,580 --> 02:12:15,420
All right.

1374
02:12:15,420 --> 02:12:17,220
and get to me with a complaint later.

1375
02:12:18,620 --> 02:12:19,760
So, we'll go to the board.

1376
02:12:23,550 --> 02:12:24,430
Let me see.

1377
02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:27,780
Mr. Chancellor, go ahead.

1378
02:12:31,280 --> 02:12:33,080
I thank you, Mr. Chair.

1379
02:12:34,780 --> 02:12:37,060
I'm sure this will be taken care of,

1380
02:12:37,180 --> 02:12:41,600
but I just want to confirm that the driveway

1381
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:44,580
is wide enough for fire to turn around, fire truck.

1382
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:47,620
I'm sure they're gonna look at it, right?

1383
02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:50,700
Mr. Chair, if I can respond.

1384
02:12:51,460 --> 02:12:51,700
Go ahead.

1385
02:12:51,940 --> 02:12:52,020
Sure.

1386
02:12:52,700 --> 02:12:59,300
So in terms of the typical turnaround you're used to seeing, we're not required to do that because we're less than 150 feet from the road.

1387
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:08,720
So the fire truck could go in if they wanted to, but in our initial comments with Chief Chisholm, he was comfortable with the driveway as it's laid out.

1388
02:13:09,500 --> 02:13:10,080
Okay. Perfect.

1389
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:10,380
Yeah.

1390
02:13:10,460 --> 02:13:10,940
Thank you for.

1391
02:13:11,860 --> 02:13:12,320
Well done.

1392
02:13:13,600 --> 02:13:14,480
That's perfect.

1393
02:13:15,820 --> 02:13:23,940
The second question is actually raised by a neighbor on 81 Spring Street, which I think

1394
02:13:23,940 --> 02:13:31,480
I agree that when you design the road, make sure that the driveway sidelines is clear.

1395
02:13:31,780 --> 02:13:37,660
It's a very busy street, it's near the intersection, it's a very busy intersection, it's easier

1396
02:13:37,660 --> 02:13:43,160
for the people to come out and make sure, you know, it's more just safety that they have

1397
02:13:43,160 --> 02:13:52,680
a good side view sidelines. I just comments when you design the road or trees. The third

1398
02:13:52,680 --> 02:14:02,240
question is packaging. So do you expect the delivery trucks to go into the delivery to

1399
02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:09,340
each units or you have a job offer in the beginning of the driveway? Or is you haven't thought about?

1400
02:14:10,060 --> 02:14:16,880
Well, partially, we do have a community mailbox located at the front, but I don't have the screen up by apologize.

1401
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:23,300
In terms of deliveries, I would hate to speak for what they may do in regards to.

1402
02:14:23,900 --> 02:14:27,380
But most likely there's enough room and decent amount of units.

1403
02:14:27,660 --> 02:14:29,560
You can see the mailbox is located right here.

1404
02:14:30,260 --> 02:14:36,580
I feel like there's enough area in here that a box truck like a UPS would probably come in with any significant deliveries.

1405
02:14:36,580 --> 02:14:39,620
but male will be centralized here.

1406
02:14:40,340 --> 02:14:40,860
Okay, thank you.

1407
02:14:41,020 --> 02:14:44,860
I was just borrowing Ms. Thompson's question from last one.

1408
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:46,220
I thought it's good to learn.

1409
02:14:47,420 --> 02:14:53,760
As you know, this may be too small to require solar ready.

1410
02:14:54,240 --> 02:14:56,180
It's not enough units, maybe,

1411
02:14:56,380 --> 02:14:59,980
but I would like to hear from Ms. O'Connor.

1412
02:15:05,880 --> 02:15:25,920
The last question I have is that I heard some paved area is pours. Could you come confirm which is only for the playground in the back or is the entire driveway?

1413
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:36,880
No, not the driveway, the patios, and the walkways will be porous along with the

1414
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:43,520
common area. The driveway will be as well. Okay, yeah, I always, okay, thank you.

1415
02:15:43,640 --> 02:15:48,200
And I also agree with the staff comments that I'll be nice to have clear

1416
02:15:48,200 --> 02:15:57,020
marking of so people like driving different ways they coming out and pedestrians and it's

1417
02:15:57,020 --> 02:16:06,880
good to have to have some kind of a fear, a demarcation of where the cars coming out so that

1418
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:13,020
is not getting to each other and with biking and people walking. That's all. Thank you.

1419
02:16:18,030 --> 02:16:20,750
Mr. Chair, would you like me to address any of those comments?

1420
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:25,580
You're muted.

1421
02:16:28,570 --> 02:16:29,230
Yes, go ahead.

1422
02:16:30,710 --> 02:16:34,210
Yeah, to first address the fire department concern.

1423
02:16:34,610 --> 02:16:36,910
The fire department did review the plans.

1424
02:16:37,930 --> 02:16:39,850
Mr. Novak is correct.

1425
02:16:40,170 --> 02:16:48,430
They were happy with the plans and they did not require a turnaround with the distance from Spring Street, that the driveway goes in.

1426
02:16:48,430 --> 02:16:55,370
There are only comments where there is an existing town fire hydrant in front of I believe is number five spring street

1427
02:16:55,370 --> 02:16:57,770
So he was just asking to keep that

1428
02:16:59,530 --> 02:17:02,810
Maintained yet there there it is that was his only

1429
02:17:02,810 --> 02:17:08,110
There the fire department's only comment that they provided and it is and it's in the memo as well

1430
02:17:09,330 --> 02:17:15,110
As far as solar ready that is a building code requirement. I believe I

1431
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:17,590
Will I will follow up

1432
02:17:17,590 --> 02:17:23,710
and double check that, but I believe that it is a requirement for the buildings to be solar-ready.

1433
02:17:25,450 --> 02:17:28,290
From the building code, Mr. Schombacher has given me a thumbs up.

1434
02:17:28,430 --> 02:17:35,990
He's more familiar with the codes than I am, but so I can confirm that, I guess, that it will be solar-ready.

1435
02:17:37,210 --> 02:17:42,390
I did also just, this just tricked my memory as well in the sustainability narrative.

1436
02:17:42,390 --> 02:17:47,550
There was commentary that the project was going to be designed to be Passive House compliant.

1437
02:17:48,350 --> 02:17:56,450
However, I believe, and I don't want to speak for the applicant, but it sounds like through discussions that may not be as feasible as with once thought.

1438
02:17:57,130 --> 02:18:02,270
And so I just wanted to highlight that for the board if you were viewing the sustainability narrative.

1439
02:18:03,610 --> 02:18:11,490
It may mention solar readiness in there as well, but that was just something that had come up in conversation that the Passive House compliance may not be.

1440
02:18:12,170 --> 02:18:20,850
eligible. So, those are my comments. Thank you, Mr. Keper. So, Mr. Shambharker, go ahead.

1441
02:18:21,550 --> 02:18:27,470
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, I know we have no preview over the interior layout. Mr. Leanne can remind me

1442
02:18:27,470 --> 02:18:31,010
of that. Mr. Kreeds can be upset with me for asking the question, but looking at buildings A and B,

1443
02:18:31,210 --> 02:18:35,590
does you consider marrying the plans of the stair and the services are against the shared party wall

1444
02:18:35,590 --> 02:18:40,170
rather than the outside wall? So, this would at the very least allow for more light,

1445
02:18:40,170 --> 02:18:45,810
from the X here and put the bedrooms against the outside wall rather than the shared party wall.

1446
02:18:46,190 --> 02:18:53,210
Understood that this doesn't really work on the two interunits between buildings A and B that directly look at each other,

1447
02:18:53,350 --> 02:18:58,170
but it would free up the outside. And you do it on building C. So I just curious if you have looked at that.

1448
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:02,200
I can answer that, Mr. Chair.

1449
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:05,620
We did look at it.

1450
02:19:05,620 --> 02:19:12,140
And with the garage, in the circulation, it was problematic.

1451
02:19:12,640 --> 02:19:18,860
We spent a lot of time, the owner, and I went back and forth several times,

1452
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:21,160
and we couldn't get it to be as efficient.

1453
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:25,220
But we can look at it again.

1454
02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:27,300
No, you don't need to.

1455
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:29,220
I'm just curious.

1456
02:19:30,260 --> 02:19:31,860
All right, so that was my only real question.

1457
02:19:31,860 --> 02:19:38,720
and then, so I just want to point out that, you know, this is, as Mr. Kepper said, the first project

1458
02:19:38,720 --> 02:19:42,960
that is coming under the new zoning. And, you know, this is the limitation on our new zoning,

1459
02:19:43,160 --> 02:19:46,840
and, you know, it will be difficult for us to get affordable units out of any project. We aren't

1460
02:19:46,840 --> 02:19:51,500
getting affordable units out of this project. And this makes it more difficult for the town to maintain

1461
02:19:51,500 --> 02:19:58,780
its tenuous position above the sort of magic 10% line to prevent an unfriendly 40B. We turn two units

1462
02:19:58,780 --> 02:20:03,540
units into six, which is great for the housing crisis, but not as great for affordability

1463
02:20:03,540 --> 02:20:07,640
with a capital A. That being said, this is a modest proposal, and I appreciate the

1464
02:20:07,640 --> 02:20:11,160
small units that will result from this development. My only real comment, and you can accuse me

1465
02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:15,640
of being inconsistent with this proposal versus the last one. But I want you to consider the

1466
02:20:15,640 --> 02:20:19,700
experience of walking into this development from the street, and the emphasis is truly on

1467
02:20:19,700 --> 02:20:24,120
the experience of walking into the development. There is a nice sidewalk on Spring Street,

1468
02:20:24,360 --> 02:20:27,920
and it is well within reason for future residents to walk to the reservoir, or even through

1469
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:30,300
best network of paths to Lincoln Park. Thank you.

1470
02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:36,560
Thank you, Mr. Schombacher, and I'm not angry. Go ahead, Mr. Leon.

1471
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:41,780
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a couple of questions. One, particularly with regard to

1472
02:20:41,780 --> 02:20:49,840
the stormwater management on the site. I was going to allocate each board member at 20 minutes

1473
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:55,560
total tonight. You're already over time. So go ahead. All right. I'll reduce it to one question,

1474
02:20:55,560 --> 02:21:02,120
And it's really to maybe to Mr. Novak, can you recall what the bottom elevation is of your

1475
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:08,340
stormwater recharge system, your stormwater chamber on the south side of the site and the elevation

1476
02:21:08,340 --> 02:21:13,240
of the adjacent basement, the bottom of the basement on number nine, which is the immediately

1477
02:21:13,240 --> 02:21:17,840
budding property. Getting into the issue of groundwater mounting, I know that you had,

1478
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:22,880
that Mr. Bernardino had indicated that you were above four feet so you didn't have to do a groundwater

1479
02:21:22,880 --> 02:21:27,640
amounting analysis, but in connection with the potential for any amounting to occur, I'm just

1480
02:21:27,640 --> 02:21:33,420
wondering whether or not the basement of the adjacent property is lower. And if so, how much lower

1481
02:21:33,420 --> 02:21:39,500
than the bottom of your recharge system? Uh, Mr. Leon, off the top of my head, I don't know if I could

1482
02:21:39,500 --> 02:21:43,880
give you a definite answer on that, but that actually goes into the comment. Then Mr. David, then

1483
02:21:43,880 --> 02:21:49,280
I'll add in regards to taking a look at the other. It's kind of the offset elevations, so I could add

1484
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:56,140
that to kind of that comment and add detail and bring that back to him. I just don't have the

1485
02:21:56,140 --> 02:22:03,100
numbers in front of me right now. You saw in the last hearing that we had on the prior project

1486
02:22:03,100 --> 02:22:08,260
that the issue is whether or not an impermeable barrier would be necessary to prevent any kind of

1487
02:22:08,260 --> 02:22:13,760
impacts lateral migration into an adjacent property here. If there's an old house with an old basement,

1488
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:18,080
I'm just wondering whether or not your recharge is going to be four or five feet above the bottom of

1489
02:22:18,080 --> 02:22:22,280
of their basement, and that could be a potential issue for them, depending on how far the

1490
02:22:22,280 --> 02:22:22,900
structures are.

1491
02:22:23,800 --> 02:22:25,280
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

1492
02:22:25,520 --> 02:22:29,320
I am proposing, and in part of this barrier, I just don't have it called out.

1493
02:22:30,380 --> 02:22:30,720
Oh, okay.

1494
02:22:30,860 --> 02:22:32,420
I didn't see that in the report.

1495
02:22:32,860 --> 02:22:32,940
Yeah.

1496
02:22:33,180 --> 02:22:38,440
And it's probably because I didn't label it, so I will be a little more diligent with that,

1497
02:22:38,840 --> 02:22:39,280
moving forward.

1498
02:22:39,880 --> 02:22:40,160
Thanks.

1499
02:22:40,180 --> 02:22:41,080
I appreciate it very much.

1500
02:22:41,240 --> 02:22:47,900
Other than that, I was interested in seeing the 12-foot wide units and building C, and

1501
02:22:47,900 --> 02:22:52,520
And I'm tired of envision that, but I'm sure that's sufficient for a marketing perspective.

1502
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:55,360
I just haven't seen it even like that in a new building in a very long time.

1503
02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:55,960
Thank you.

1504
02:22:57,520 --> 02:22:58,520
Thank you, Mr. Leon.

1505
02:22:59,960 --> 02:23:01,080
Mr. McLean, let's see.

1506
02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:01,820
Hold on.

1507
02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:06,600
Make sure I, uh, uh, Mr. Thompson, go ahead.

1508
02:23:09,240 --> 02:23:11,200
Mr. McBride did have her hand up.

1509
02:23:11,660 --> 02:23:14,480
I know, but I, I think I passed it when you were the last time.

1510
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:14,880
That's why.

1511
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:15,680
Okay.

1512
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:21,560
Okay. Well, I just have one quick question in between building A and B. There's the,

1513
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:32,340
is that a French drain? It goes out into the, what is this, the sort of drive? Why are these steps there?

1514
02:23:32,520 --> 02:23:35,860
I was muted. Are you talking about this one right here? Yeah, that one.

1515
02:23:36,600 --> 02:23:42,980
That's actually the existing one. It shouldn't be on. It's not, it's, it's going to be removed.

1516
02:23:42,980 --> 02:23:49,640
Okay, and then I can show you real quick. Okay, you can it's it's it's right

1517
02:23:49,640 --> 02:23:56,840
Where's it right here? Right there? Right there. I'm sorry, but anyway, it's it's existing

1518
02:23:56,840 --> 02:24:03,080
It's existing but it won't be there any longer. Okay, I'm just more confused about that

1519
02:24:03,080 --> 02:24:11,360
Fair question. Okay, and oh I see so you you extended that six foot sort of

1520
02:24:14,020 --> 02:24:18,160
pointy there to put a some sort of planting there.

1521
02:24:19,540 --> 02:24:21,800
Yes, Jeff, is this an ornamental tree?

1522
02:24:23,100 --> 02:24:25,280
Yes, that's an ornamental tree there.

1523
02:24:26,180 --> 02:24:31,680
Okay. And each unit will have its own sort of, I don't know,

1524
02:24:31,860 --> 02:24:35,280
what patio, outdoor space, et cetera, right?

1525
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:37,480
Yes, a small outdoor space.

1526
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:48,020
small one. I don't see the one for building a. They're colored right there. Oh, I see. But, but the one above

1527
02:24:48,640 --> 02:24:56,660
building 2, it looks much bigger. Is that shared or is that only for the one up at the very top?

1528
02:24:57,320 --> 02:25:04,920
That's the common space for every. Okay. All right. I got it. So that's a shared space. And then

1529
02:25:05,700 --> 02:25:12,860
building one has their own patio too and then the small or building in the back

1530
02:25:12,860 --> 02:25:18,500
seems to have a bigger space which is good for them right since they have such a

1531
02:25:18,500 --> 02:25:25,920
small unit. Will this in the back be some sort of space for them to use to in front

1532
02:25:25,920 --> 02:25:30,700
of the big trees here? Well I'm sure all the open one area will be common space

1533
02:25:30,700 --> 02:25:37,400
I'm not sure how the agreement is written yet for the units that live here, but maybe

1534
02:25:38,620 --> 02:25:40,060
Mike you can speak to that.

1535
02:25:42,130 --> 02:25:48,790
I mean, we hadn't really thought about dedicating the the idea is is the lighter green spaces is more to

1536
02:25:49,310 --> 02:25:55,450
account to go towards the common open space that's required and that's why we've we've given privacy

1537
02:25:55,450 --> 02:26:13,330
fences parallel to the patio to dedicate. It's best illustrated right here. You can see that there's a privacy fence here, but it connects to allow both A and B to access the common space without having to go through the driveway.

1538
02:26:13,910 --> 02:26:21,930
And the same thought was here as well. So it will probably double as both. I'm sure there'll be spillage of use.

1539
02:26:21,930 --> 02:26:27,490
But there's also the intent of this access throughout for all parties.

1540
02:26:29,710 --> 02:26:37,550
That's right. It's not defined as common space right now, but it's really access and maintenance.

1541
02:26:38,370 --> 02:26:41,250
And I'm sure that it will be used by the residents.

1542
02:26:42,730 --> 02:26:47,050
Okay. I think that's all I have. I was just curious about.

1543
02:26:47,470 --> 02:26:51,290
You want to have open space, but you want to have some sense of privacy too.

1544
02:26:51,290 --> 02:27:02,930
So building two and one, you know, building a if they want to get to the open space, they're going to walk right past the patio of building one and two.

1545
02:27:03,770 --> 02:27:07,110
Unless they somehow have to go around the other way.

1546
02:27:08,590 --> 02:27:15,730
So I don't know if I lived in building one and two, I wouldn't want to have people traipsing outside my patio all the time.

1547
02:27:16,590 --> 02:27:17,310
Just me.

1548
02:27:18,370 --> 02:27:19,250
That's a good point.

1549
02:27:19,510 --> 02:27:20,410
We can take a look at it.

1550
02:27:20,770 --> 02:27:20,970
Yeah.

1551
02:27:21,810 --> 02:27:23,070
Okay, that's all I have.

1552
02:27:23,270 --> 02:27:23,670
Thank you.

1553
02:27:24,170 --> 02:27:24,770
You're welcome.

1554
02:27:26,670 --> 02:27:27,590
Thank you, Mr. Thompson.

1555
02:27:28,090 --> 02:27:29,010
I think that is a good point.

1556
02:27:29,370 --> 02:27:30,310
Mr. McGregor, go ahead.

1557
02:27:31,870 --> 02:27:32,550
Thank you.

1558
02:27:32,770 --> 02:27:34,210
Yes, I agree with the good points.

1559
02:27:36,850 --> 02:27:42,450
So the major site plan reviews section 12, 681, and 4.

1560
02:27:42,450 --> 02:27:47,450
or conserve water resources and minimize energy use by reducing or eliminating use of

1561
02:27:47,450 --> 02:27:53,650
portable water for landscape irrigation. Site design that reduces or eliminates the

1562
02:27:53,650 --> 02:28:00,830
need for water use. Are there plans for rain barrels with irrigation hoses to some of

1563
02:28:00,830 --> 02:28:01,990
the landscape areas?

1564
02:28:04,860 --> 02:28:08,800
We don't have plans for rain barrels at this time. We felt as though

1565
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:15,300
Those were, this is a small site we felt as too many of those would take up so much open

1566
02:28:15,300 --> 02:28:21,540
space and that's why we decided to try to keep the anything beyond the roadway pervious

1567
02:28:22,320 --> 02:28:30,260
to kind of mitigate for storm water without having to do more solar structures.

1568
02:28:30,580 --> 02:28:33,500
I understand that that doesn't help with the irrigation purposes but it does.

1569
02:28:33,500 --> 02:28:40,960
those are directly connected to areas of landscape so we felt as that was

1570
02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:46,620
the best decision for this project right now. Yeah, underneath the tree at the

1571
02:28:46,620 --> 02:28:53,060
corner of a building is often a good alternative and again not using

1572
02:28:53,060 --> 02:29:00,420
potable water and just having something irrigate over time is a great low

1573
02:29:00,420 --> 02:29:07,280
tech alternative. I know we looked at the outdoor common space at the back of

1574
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:13,800
the property during the site visit but can you remind me what type of access

1575
02:29:13,800 --> 02:29:16,220
there is as far as like grade change?

1576
02:29:20,680 --> 02:29:24,140
So the site's pretty level. We are in

1577
02:29:24,140 --> 02:29:30,680
discussions with the planning department about providing an accessible path to the

1578
02:29:30,680 --> 02:29:36,000
proposed common space and I think that will be in addition in the next submission.

1579
02:29:37,360 --> 02:29:43,300
And I'll add to that a little bit. If you recall, on the sidewalk that as you walk down the

1580
02:29:43,300 --> 02:29:50,660
driveway of five, there's a slightly less than four feet above four feet of a retaining wall

1581
02:29:50,660 --> 02:29:57,540
and then this area is higher. In regards to maintaining decent slopes and creating cover for our

1582
02:29:57,540 --> 02:29:59,240
infiltration system where we're bringing

1583
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,420
We're we're shallowing out the that pitch and filling for lack of better term. This area so you can see that we have a gentleman's slope down to this this what will be. The existing area you can see the 253 existing here is the 253 proposed in that area will be flat will remain flattened and we'll be able to bring the site up to connect it so great. Thank you. Thank you. That's great. So for buildings a and b.

1584
02:30:32,100 --> 02:30:36,200
for the outdoor spaces, will they also be at grade?

1585
02:30:37,420 --> 02:30:39,260
Or are you going to have like pertaining laws running?

1586
02:30:39,400 --> 02:30:42,260
I know you have those beautiful Mexican opinion trees

1587
02:30:42,260 --> 02:30:44,800
back there, but in this area?

1588
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:46,280
Yes.

1589
02:30:47,180 --> 02:30:48,220
Yeah, those are at grade.

1590
02:30:48,780 --> 02:30:49,300
They're at grade.

1591
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:50,480
Okay, so no.

1592
02:30:51,720 --> 02:30:55,500
You can see the 253 or 253 proposed right there.

1593
02:30:55,520 --> 02:30:57,640
We're just creating a little bit of a pitch.

1594
02:30:57,640 --> 02:31:02,820
but we're within six inches of what is existing now.

1595
02:31:03,340 --> 02:31:04,820
Okay, that's terrific. Thank you.

1596
02:31:06,480 --> 02:31:14,760
Let's see, Mr. Toma, I heard our neighbor,

1597
02:31:15,300 --> 02:31:21,900
Ms. Pollock, talk about the plans for trees.

1598
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:26,340
Can you show me, again, the updated trees

1599
02:31:26,340 --> 02:31:30,880
that you discussed with the tree committee, where they're going?

1600
02:31:32,760 --> 02:31:37,300
So there's a couple trees going in the front here, and since there's overhead wires,

1601
02:31:38,220 --> 02:31:44,120
there will probably be change from what we have previously on the plants, or right now,

1602
02:31:45,340 --> 02:31:51,280
Red Oaksos will be get switched to a species called Yellowwood, which was an approved species

1603
02:31:51,280 --> 02:31:57,900
by the the town arborist to plant under the power lines on our project on Clark Street.

1604
02:31:58,980 --> 02:32:03,140
So those will be yellowwood trees which is a smaller shade tree

1605
02:32:04,880 --> 02:32:09,660
that's suitable from the town's perspective for planting under the power lines that are out

1606
02:32:09,660 --> 02:32:12,020
front there above those trees now.

1607
02:32:14,910 --> 02:32:21,650
And you had also mentioned five maples? Yeah they're between

1608
02:32:22,470 --> 02:32:26,770
the butters property and our property to provide some shade and some screening

1609
02:32:26,770 --> 02:32:33,250
those are the trees that she asked be changed to an evergreen she doesn't want

1610
02:32:33,250 --> 02:32:36,850
leaves falling in her yard it's a hardship for her

1611
02:32:43,060 --> 02:32:45,320
there's a way that you can

1612
02:32:45,320 --> 02:32:57,840
maybe alternate especially because planting just one type of tree it can be

1613
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:08,400
It can be an invitation for for disease or bugs, but maybe you could alternate some of

1614
02:33:08,400 --> 02:33:14,940
the deciduous with ever brings that's not a bad idea we'll take a look at that

1615
02:33:14,940 --> 02:33:20,200
certainly. Thank you. If we can make the about her happy and the owner.

1616
02:33:22,940 --> 02:33:24,600
So passive

1617
02:33:30,460 --> 02:33:31,740
house not feasible.

1618
02:33:35,260 --> 02:33:42,240
I'm not sure about perhaps. I didn't mean to. That's okay. Perhaps the

1619
02:33:42,240 --> 02:33:49,000
architect or Mike or the owner could better answer that question. Thank you. I could speak

1620
02:33:49,000 --> 02:34:02,940
to that the your passive house where these are individual duplexes and subject to hers ratings.

1621
02:34:02,940 --> 02:34:08,920
very stringent insulation, all electric, solar ready.

1622
02:34:10,180 --> 02:34:15,180
The passive house process is onerous.

1623
02:34:15,420 --> 02:34:19,940
We worked on a project and we had it approved by the planning board

1624
02:34:19,940 --> 02:34:26,520
over a year ago that 189, 185, 189 Bedford Street.

1625
02:34:26,520 --> 02:34:36,200
We have been in passive house review for eight months, and the cost, the engineering

1626
02:34:36,200 --> 02:34:41,260
cost, the design cost, and the incremental construction cost.

1627
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:46,560
And I know it's all for the good, but a project of this type, this small six unit project,

1628
02:34:46,920 --> 02:34:48,960
it would just break the project.

1629
02:34:50,360 --> 02:34:58,020
That's all, and we're still going to be super-energy efficient buildings, again, all-electric,

1630
02:34:58,680 --> 02:35:01,640
just like a high-performance single-family arm.

1631
02:35:03,080 --> 02:35:07,080
Yes, I put the passive, I don't know all the technical details, but I heard the passive

1632
02:35:07,080 --> 02:35:10,000
house is harder on smaller units.

1633
02:35:11,140 --> 02:35:17,560
It's not just the, it's not just doing passive house or doing a net zero house.

1634
02:35:17,560 --> 02:35:23,940
It is the getting a pass of house designation going through FIAS.

1635
02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:33,620
FIAS is a third-party review that is, I just can tell you, it's incredibly difficult

1636
02:35:33,620 --> 02:35:35,000
and time-consuming.

1637
02:35:35,140 --> 02:35:37,020
There's a certification that's so complicated.

1638
02:35:37,680 --> 02:35:38,260
That's correct.

1639
02:35:38,680 --> 02:35:38,800
Okay.

1640
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:39,700
All right.

1641
02:35:40,300 --> 02:35:41,360
Well, thank you.

1642
02:35:41,560 --> 02:35:44,240
Thank you for patiently explaining that.

1643
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:53,680
And I can ask again, as I did multiple times with the proponents of 419 Merit Road, if they

1644
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:59,660
would consider reducing the size of their units to squeeze in an affordable, but your units

1645
02:35:59,660 --> 02:36:08,060
are already smaller than they were, than they are at the Merit, at the Merit Road development.

1646
02:36:08,060 --> 02:36:15,060
So I do appreciate that these units are smaller and will be more financially accessible to more people.

1647
02:36:15,780 --> 02:36:17,260
So I do appreciate that.

1648
02:36:18,580 --> 02:36:20,480
And that's it for me. Thank you.

1649
02:36:21,660 --> 02:36:24,420
Thank you, Miss McBride. So I'll go next.

1650
02:36:25,960 --> 02:36:30,500
So you'll address the comments made by Mr. Kepper. It doesn't sound like there's a problem there.

1651
02:36:30,500 --> 02:36:36,720
And building C is 12 by 36, is that interior dimensions or exterior?

1652
02:36:39,800 --> 02:36:49,100
That is, it's 12 and a half by, so it's 25 feet all together, so it's inside dimension.

1653
02:36:49,440 --> 02:36:52,340
The rooms are approximately 11 feet clear.

1654
02:36:53,820 --> 02:37:00,800
Okay, all right, I'm just curious, and I think the access to the common amenities

1655
02:37:00,800 --> 02:37:02,720
space is good the way you have it laid out.

1656
02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:07,940
I am curious about the size of the common amenity

1657
02:37:07,940 --> 02:37:14,840
space but I think you said you'll address that at the next meeting. I would welcome more details

1658
02:37:14,840 --> 02:37:20,660
about fence options and hope to minimize maintenance and maximize aesthetic appeal.

1659
02:37:21,960 --> 02:37:28,400
the please no shiny vinyl and I'll just do a screenshot here quickly.

1660
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:33,630
I can't do

1661
02:37:33,630 --> 02:37:34,230
a screenshot.

1662
02:37:40,130 --> 02:37:44,210
If you try again in my work somebody else is sharing in my

1663
02:37:44,210 --> 02:37:53,770
minute. I got it. So let's see I don't see what I was looking for.

1664
02:37:57,580 --> 02:37:58,600
That's not it.

1665
02:37:58,600 --> 02:37:59,060
All

1666
02:38:03,000 --> 02:38:04,180
right, never mind.

1667
02:38:05,420 --> 02:38:10,980
But, you know, plastic, if it's luxury vinyl,

1668
02:38:12,380 --> 02:38:17,200
the earth tone colors, and requires no maintenance,

1669
02:38:17,460 --> 02:38:22,340
I'm open to that, but the cheap, shiny vinyl is bad.

1670
02:38:23,180 --> 02:38:23,800
Mr. Caret?

1671
02:38:24,300 --> 02:38:24,440
Yes.

1672
02:38:25,080 --> 02:38:27,380
The applicant would like to address that.

1673
02:38:27,900 --> 02:38:28,240
Sure.

1674
02:38:28,660 --> 02:38:29,020
Sure.

1675
02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:29,280
Go ahead.

1676
02:38:30,200 --> 02:38:30,560
Yes.

1677
02:38:30,560 --> 02:38:32,340
Yes, Mr. Kreech, thank you.

1678
02:38:33,360 --> 02:38:37,080
Would as Cedar offense be appropriate for you?

1679
02:38:38,060 --> 02:38:50,000
I suppose that would be, you know, the thing is that the last ex-monotime untreated,

1680
02:38:50,260 --> 02:38:51,580
he talked about untreated season.

1681
02:38:51,580 --> 02:38:53,100
Untreated, yes, untreated.

1682
02:38:55,120 --> 02:39:00,560
Weather is quite well and, you know, I guess he can't have it both ways with the vinyl.

1683
02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:11,640
the, you know, the vinyl's little to zero maintenance, but it's going to become a, I guess,

1684
02:39:11,900 --> 02:39:14,180
an aesthetic issue that we both have.

1685
02:39:14,780 --> 02:39:15,080
Okay.

1686
02:39:15,480 --> 02:39:15,820
Yeah, sure.

1687
02:39:15,980 --> 02:39:16,080
No.

1688
02:39:16,460 --> 02:39:18,100
Of course, Cedar would be fine.

1689
02:39:18,260 --> 02:39:21,040
I'm sure some of the board members were also welcome that.

1690
02:39:22,200 --> 02:39:28,520
I had an example of something I saw yesterday at another project, but I can't pull it up

1691
02:39:28,520 --> 02:39:33,900
just like that. Let's see, and the difference was it was horizontal and not

1692
02:39:33,900 --> 02:39:37,740
vertical, and it was just more attractive, that's all. And it may well have been

1693
02:39:37,740 --> 02:39:41,080
seated, but it was treated. So let's see,

1694
02:39:45,650 --> 02:39:50,090
I'm thinking this in terms of

1695
02:39:50,090 --> 02:40:00,370
rain barrels. So rain, but there was an article in the

1696
02:40:00,370 --> 02:40:04,810
In fact, we have plenty of water in the wing at the moment.

1697
02:40:05,190 --> 02:40:07,070
We can't count on that forever.

1698
02:40:07,810 --> 02:40:09,870
And so that's kind of a forward-looking thing.

1699
02:40:10,010 --> 02:40:16,070
I know it's not—you can't force people to use a rain barrel.

1700
02:40:16,170 --> 02:40:16,770
You can put it in.

1701
02:40:16,830 --> 02:40:18,030
You can't force them to use it.

1702
02:40:19,390 --> 02:40:26,110
So I'm thinking that maybe in building C, your download spouse can be located so that if

1703
02:40:26,110 --> 02:40:28,750
somebody wants to put in a rain barrel, they can easily do it.

1704
02:40:28,750 --> 02:40:33,930
maybe all the buildings, depending on where the Don Spots are, and that would mean just cutting

1705
02:40:33,930 --> 02:40:40,430
the Don Spots and adding it to Verritor and so on. So I think as long as they are located in

1706
02:40:40,430 --> 02:40:45,890
a useful space, especially building sea in my opinion, that would be great.

1707
02:40:47,730 --> 02:40:48,090
Let's see.

1708
02:40:50,740 --> 02:40:58,140
So I commented about storage and so on and so forth at the site visit. However,

1709
02:40:58,140 --> 02:41:03,420
However, it has been pointed out to me that people are able to park in front of the garage

1710
02:41:03,420 --> 02:41:11,280
and if they have a tandem space, for example, at building C, there can be plenty of storage

1711
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:11,560
there.

1712
02:41:11,800 --> 02:41:17,460
So I'm not, I'm not, I was really thinking about salability in your point of view rather

1713
02:41:17,460 --> 02:41:19,340
than the resident.

1714
02:41:19,960 --> 02:41:28,120
I'm really glad to see the small units, especially building C. And I hope that you can sell those

1715
02:41:28,120 --> 02:41:33,840
for less than a million dollars. That would be, it's not, maybe today that's affordable

1716
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:39,100
in my day, it wasn't, but nevertheless would be a lot less expensive than what we typically

1717
02:41:39,100 --> 02:41:45,540
see in Lexington, so that'd be terrific. I see no negative incomes for the, it outcomes

1718
02:41:45,540 --> 02:41:52,440
for the neighbors, so they'll be slightly more traffic, but the board is specifically prohibited

1719
02:41:52,440 --> 02:41:56,900
by the state from acquiring a traffic study, and I've never seen, by the way, in my years

1720
02:41:56,900 --> 02:42:01,820
on the planning board. I've never seen a bad traffic study. It always says it'll only be a little

1721
02:42:01,820 --> 02:42:05,200
bit worse. So I'm not sure if bad traffic study exists.

1722
02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:12,240
I don't want to make requests that

1723
02:42:12,240 --> 02:42:21,460
it caused the project to be more expensive for the new residents. But it's so already for each unit

1724
02:42:21,460 --> 02:42:27,940
individually be great. So individually they can put those up if they want to. And the condo

1725
02:42:27,940 --> 02:42:33,600
documents should allow each property owner to install a solar array without the association approval.

1726
02:42:36,620 --> 02:42:44,120
And that's really how I have it. I'm pretty positive about this project because of the scale.

1727
02:42:44,120 --> 02:42:49,240
and so I'm hoping this goes well.

1728
02:42:50,940 --> 02:42:55,460
Let's see, and I think it's up to you, Mr. Serian,

1729
02:42:55,820 --> 02:43:01,180
and the project came to see if we can close on this at our next meeting,

1730
02:43:01,180 --> 02:43:04,760
but either way, we'll have a next meeting.

1731
02:43:08,140 --> 02:43:11,300
So any final comments by the...

1732
02:43:13,220 --> 02:43:14,020
I

1733
02:43:16,740 --> 02:43:23,760
just want to quickly say that I appreciate that Mr. Thomas was considering to accommodate the

1734
02:43:23,760 --> 02:43:35,900
neighbor's request to replace the maples with the Evergreen. I was just hoping that when you do

1735
02:43:35,900 --> 02:43:42,900
that, um, you know, all of them were some of them, um, maybe, uh, plan something that, uh,

1736
02:43:43,020 --> 02:43:48,120
have bigger canopy because every greens are not equal. I have a variety that is a cone.

1737
02:43:48,800 --> 02:43:53,660
It's better than the fence, but it doesn't provide a shade and it's a very narrow. So if you can

1738
02:43:53,660 --> 02:44:01,020
provide, I'm sure you're, you're expert in finding bigger, uh, entries or evergreens, that would be

1739
02:44:01,020 --> 02:44:06,660
win-win for everyone. So yeah, I see you on the other hand. Yeah, appreciate that.

1740
02:44:07,180 --> 02:44:11,620
And the other thing I want to say is that I appreciate that probably because of the

1741
02:44:11,620 --> 02:44:16,940
side limitation, each units are smaller. I echo what Mr.

1742
02:44:19,720 --> 02:44:25,920
Regent, Ms. McBride said that they are maybe not on both affordable, but in reality,

1743
02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:33,760
there are more affordable for the new residents and this is actually for me is a success of the new

1744
02:44:35,500 --> 02:44:45,080
MBTA amendment that we passed by 95% of the town meeting members in 2025.

1745
02:44:46,280 --> 02:44:51,960
I feel it's very happy that these are smaller units and not

1746
02:44:52,960 --> 02:44:59,860
$1.5, $1.8 million, big condos, bigger than my house, so I think that's it.

1747
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,780
Welcome, change, and I appreciate that, and I think it's a small, not on paper, it's still affordable. Thank you. Okay, thank you. So nobody else's hands are raised. Does the applicant team want to add anything at this point? No, Mr. Chair, I appreciate the comments. I think they're very extractive, and we look forward to seeing it the next minute. Okay, great. So with that, I am going to go to Ms. Thompson from motion. Thank you.

1748
02:45:29,780 --> 02:45:47,060
So move to continue the public hearing for the site plan review application for 5 and 7 Spring Street to be continued to Wednesday September 16th, 2026 at or after 6 p.m. on Zoom.

1749
02:45:47,540 --> 02:45:49,680
Thank you, Ms. Thompson. Do I have a second?

1750
02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:50,080
Second.

1751
02:45:51,360 --> 02:45:54,520
And we'll go to a miss McBride.

1752
02:45:55,570 --> 02:45:55,940
Yes.

1753
02:45:56,460 --> 02:45:57,200
Ms. Thompson?

1754
02:45:57,760 --> 02:45:58,080
Yes.

1755
02:45:58,080 --> 02:45:58,280
Yes.

1756
02:45:58,560 --> 02:45:59,260
Is Johnson?

1757
02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:00,180
Yes.

1758
02:46:00,820 --> 02:46:01,820
Mr. Schombacher?

1759
02:46:02,260 --> 02:46:02,600
Yes.

1760
02:46:03,260 --> 02:46:03,860
And I'm ES.

1761
02:46:04,260 --> 02:46:04,460
Okay.

1762
02:46:04,500 --> 02:46:04,880
Thank you.

1763
02:46:04,880 --> 02:46:06,540
We'll see you on the 16th.

1764
02:46:06,540 --> 02:46:07,080
Thank you.

1765
02:46:07,320 --> 02:46:07,900
Any topic to make?

1766
02:46:08,500 --> 02:46:08,620
Well.

1767
02:46:09,810 --> 02:46:13,800
So we now go on to board an administration.

1768
02:46:17,660 --> 02:46:23,040
Any last comments on the meeting minutes of April, I mean, August 5th.

1769
02:46:25,090 --> 02:46:30,890
They were very detailed, excellent report by Ms. Nelson.

1770
02:46:32,330 --> 02:46:32,970
Okay.

1771
02:46:33,130 --> 02:46:37,910
If not, then we'll go to vote motion from Ms. Thompson.

1772
02:46:44,820 --> 02:46:45,280
Are you muted?

1773
02:46:45,660 --> 02:46:45,820
Yes.

1774
02:46:45,980 --> 02:46:46,400
Yes, I'm here.

1775
02:46:46,840 --> 02:46:47,060
Okay.

1776
02:46:47,260 --> 02:47:00,400
Move to approve the planning board meeting minutes of August 5th, 2026, as recorded.

1777
02:47:00,400 --> 02:47:08,140
it. Thank you. We have second. Thank you. And we'll go to a vote. Ms. Thompson. Yes.

1778
02:47:08,740 --> 02:47:11,280
Ms. Jensen. Yes.

1779
02:47:11,860 --> 02:47:21,000
It's a Sean Bucker. Yes. Ms. McBride. Yes. No, I mean, yes. And next, do we have any staff updates?

1780
02:47:26,530 --> 02:47:35,770
Okay, I can read your sheet and any any board member updates, Mr. McBride.

1781
02:47:39,230 --> 02:47:40,590
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to.

1782
02:47:41,050 --> 02:47:42,170
Oh, okay, okay.

1783
02:47:42,910 --> 02:47:44,630
Are there any board member updates?

1784
02:47:48,100 --> 02:47:49,580
I don't have any myself.

1785
02:47:53,780 --> 02:47:54,340
Sorry?

1786
02:47:54,900 --> 02:47:56,460
Miss Johnson raised her hand.

1787
02:47:59,340 --> 02:48:05,680
I just have an update. I have a quick request that I could have written an email, but since

1788
02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:10,100
we are held time, I just want to take half a minute to ask that.

1789
02:48:10,660 --> 02:48:17,580
I appreciate that Mr. Cabrard's comprehensive staff report I rely heavily. I think there

1790
02:48:17,580 --> 02:48:23,860
are great summaries and I couldn't imagine that, you know, work through this without it.

1791
02:48:23,860 --> 02:48:32,000
I like all the tables, especially, and I appreciate that the tables are expanded to include more information in the table form.

1792
02:48:32,940 --> 02:48:45,300
I was wondering, currently, where the units, I mean, the project review is possible to also include their number of units in the table,

1793
02:48:45,300 --> 02:48:51,640
like a number of bedrooms if they're available. So I think those are often highlights for our decision-making

1794
02:48:51,640 --> 02:48:58,120
in the future, where we say that how many one bedroom we added, how many two bedrooms we added,

1795
02:48:58,360 --> 02:49:04,840
we could go through all their submissions. It's not easy to find in a little footprint, but if you can

1796
02:49:04,840 --> 02:49:12,180
summarize the staff report in any way, we appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, I'd be happy to do that.

1797
02:49:12,180 --> 02:49:17,380
But I put together a table for, I think it was 80 Bedford Street that had the different

1798
02:49:17,380 --> 02:49:19,100
variations and square footages.

1799
02:49:19,680 --> 02:49:24,860
I left it off for 5.7 Spring Street because it was just smaller and the units were all

1800
02:49:24,860 --> 02:49:25,520
very similar.

1801
02:49:26,100 --> 02:49:32,160
I believe I put a note in there with average square footage in the bedroom types, but I've

1802
02:49:32,160 --> 02:49:33,320
written a few memos recently.

1803
02:49:35,460 --> 02:49:36,780
But yeah, no, absolutely.

1804
02:49:36,780 --> 02:49:44,120
I'll be happy to pay attention to that and include as much as much visual aid as I can.

1805
02:49:46,760 --> 02:49:56,320
Thank you, Mr. Kepper. So, if there are no other updates, we'll go to the draft annual report.

1806
02:49:57,100 --> 02:49:57,560
Mr. McCabe.

1807
02:49:59,200 --> 02:50:05,080
I distributed an annual report. We have a little bit of time, but I've heard from a few of you

1808
02:50:05,080 --> 02:50:11,100
what some edits, so I've made all the edits that were requested, but if anyone has any other

1809
02:50:11,100 --> 02:50:16,840
edits they'd like to send me, just let me know. The reports are due by September 14th.

1810
02:50:17,860 --> 02:50:23,800
So we have time, but I always like to just get it in, but if you need more time to review, just

1811
02:50:23,800 --> 02:50:33,800
let me know. Well, let's see our next meeting is September 2nd. I don't need more time myself,

1812
02:50:33,800 --> 02:50:38,780
But does anybody else want to postpone this vote?

1813
02:50:41,260 --> 02:50:44,000
Are you okay? Everybody okay with voting on it tonight?

1814
02:50:45,400 --> 02:50:45,880
Okay

1815
02:50:48,080 --> 02:50:48,580
And

1816
02:50:51,460 --> 02:50:56,720
you're okay with that also miss my bright. I mean my cave. Yeah

1817
02:50:57,440 --> 02:50:58,840
Okay, great. So

1818
02:50:59,360 --> 02:51:08,600
Ms. Thompson, do you have a motion for that? No, I don't have a motion for that. I just have a review for a review for the draft

1819
02:51:08,760 --> 02:51:23,300
Okay, but do you just like can't we just move to accept it on it? Yeah do on September 2nd. Well, do you want to move to approve the draft annual report?

1820
02:51:23,300 --> 02:51:43,300
Okay. Move to approve the draft annual report for the planning board on Wednesday, August 19th, 2026.

1821
02:51:44,300 --> 02:51:51,700
Okay. Is there a second? Second. All right. We will vote this week's bride.

1822
02:51:51,700 --> 02:52:03,640
Yes, Ms. Johnson. Yes, Mr. Schombacher. Yes, Ms. Thompson. Yes, and I'm yes. Okay. Thank you very much.

1823
02:52:05,860 --> 02:52:10,740
And Ms. McBride, do you want to go and make a somebody else to change the name?

1824
02:52:11,220 --> 02:52:16,060
Ms. McBride, do you want to go with the upcoming dates for our meetings?

1825
02:52:16,740 --> 02:52:33,260
Sure, your next couple meetings, your next one September 2nd, then September 16th, October 7th and October 21st, and then we get into November 4th, November 18th and December 9th.

1826
02:52:33,260 --> 02:52:40,880
It's potentially we don't know exactly when, if there's going to be a special town meeting, but when we know that date I can, I'll check it with your calendar.

1827
02:52:40,880 --> 02:53:03,780
Okay, great. And so we do we basically know the agenda for September 16th right now same two projects. Yes, and at the next meeting you have on the second you have 439 and then we have some time I think a couple of people mentioned talking about zoning, you know potential zoning amendments.

1828
02:53:04,760 --> 02:53:11,360
Also at the next meeting on the second and yes that includes the housing

1829
02:53:11,360 --> 02:53:15,500
partnership board potentially talking about the form-based zoning is that

1830
02:53:15,500 --> 02:53:22,160
correct? Yes we could do that they did reach out to you about that. Okay and I

1831
02:53:22,160 --> 02:53:29,840
think I mentioned the last meeting I met with them and their objective is to come

1832
02:53:29,840 --> 02:53:41,160
up with some new zoning to get us to a true 10% of affordable units, and they've calculated

1833
02:53:41,160 --> 02:53:48,480
X number, the number that we're short at this point in time, and they propose, for example,

1834
02:53:49,540 --> 02:53:56,140
an affordable housing overlay district, some place, they did mention Bedford Street.

1835
02:53:59,160 --> 02:54:07,060
So I'm not saying this is a done deal. I'm not saying that I'm going to bring it to the board to vote on or anything like that. I'm just telling you what the conversation was.

1836
02:54:09,240 --> 02:54:19,460
Okay, so and I think I mentioned it in the last meeting. So having said that, let's see Mr. Leon, go ahead.

1837
02:54:19,460 --> 02:54:23,620
Yeah, I was interested in that. If you could circulate around any drafts that we see,

1838
02:54:23,780 --> 02:54:31,700
I'm particularly interested in how they translate foreign based zoning into which is not

1839
02:54:31,700 --> 02:54:35,760
directly a density issue. So I'm kind of curious about how they would transform that.

1840
02:54:36,280 --> 02:54:42,480
But okay, I think the overlay district as well. Yeah, they stated it in conjunction with the

1841
02:54:42,480 --> 02:54:48,040
overlay district and other things, but I'll send you the slides that I have that they used.

1842
02:54:50,180 --> 02:54:53,740
and then Ms. McBride, go ahead.

1843
02:54:56,200 --> 02:55:01,340
Thank you. So you're saying we should, you want to discuss this on September 2nds?

1844
02:55:01,520 --> 02:55:05,920
They're going to come and present to us. I've suggested them 15 or 20 minutes.

1845
02:55:06,460 --> 02:55:11,160
Okay. And another question I have, I guess this would be for Abby.

1846
02:55:13,220 --> 02:55:15,960
Is this something that we could overlay

1847
02:55:15,960 --> 02:55:22,620
I, um, on the MBTA communities, um, districts,

1848
02:55:25,030 --> 02:55:30,480
I really don't, I haven't been following

1849
02:55:31,180 --> 02:55:33,540
along what the proposal is.

1850
02:55:33,980 --> 02:55:38,840
Yeah, because that was one of my oppositions to MBTA communities is that we couldn't

1851
02:55:38,840 --> 02:55:40,760
require more affordable.

1852
02:55:41,420 --> 02:55:48,740
You know, they had all these, these, um, permissive aspects and we couldn't require more

1853
02:55:48,740 --> 02:55:58,540
affordable. So if we could do, I don't know, I don't know, maybe Mr. Leon has a sense of that.

1854
02:55:59,600 --> 02:56:07,980
Yeah, the HLC guidance, which serves as regulations over what's acceptable, it's not had a

1855
02:56:07,980 --> 02:56:15,500
cap of 15% affordable units and they define affordable units as no less than 80% AMI. We

1856
02:56:15,500 --> 02:56:22,660
We learned that HLC in fact approved a few communities that had a higher percentage

1857
02:56:22,660 --> 02:56:23,420
than 15.

1858
02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:28,860
I believe either Arlington or one of the other communities proposed 20% as an inclusionary

1859
02:56:30,360 --> 02:56:31,040
requirement.

1860
02:56:31,960 --> 02:56:39,660
And I'm assuming that that was approved by HLC, but that's where the guidance ended up at

1861
02:56:39,660 --> 02:56:40,140
this point.

1862
02:56:40,140 --> 02:57:10,120
But, of course, you know, and I mentioned this to a couple of board members, there's nothing to stop people from proposing more aggressive inclusionary inclusionary units, right? You can do 30% if you want, if it pencils out and presumably as everybody on the planning board knows there's been a lot of requests for supporting or allowing a buy down for the affordable housing trust to reduce the qualifications to 50% of AMI by greater subsidy that they would buy in

1863
02:57:10,120 --> 02:57:11,820
and it would basically restrict the units to that.

1864
02:57:12,140 --> 02:57:14,320
So there's a lot of flexibility in what you can do

1865
02:57:14,320 --> 02:57:16,380
with the MBTA community overlay districts

1866
02:57:16,380 --> 02:57:18,460
already, the village overlay.

1867
02:57:19,780 --> 02:57:22,540
And of course, you have a whole bunch of other tools there,

1868
02:57:22,920 --> 02:57:26,280
friendly 40Bs, and I mean, to my knowledge,

1869
02:57:26,440 --> 02:57:29,160
I mean, obviously the new bylaws that we adopted in 2025

1870
02:57:29,940 --> 02:57:31,680
have a unit count.

1871
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:39,440
And obviously the, one of the SRDs has caps,

1872
02:57:39,440 --> 02:57:45,020
based on a lot of area, gross low area, which effectively constrains it in terms of overall

1873
02:57:45,020 --> 02:57:52,760
site density. But for the MBTA community, overlay districts, there's no reason why a developer

1874
02:57:52,760 --> 02:57:57,280
could move forward with 100% or 80% or whatever they want. It's just a question of penciling it out.

1875
02:58:00,310 --> 02:58:05,710
Right, but sorry, I'm not very fine, but I don't think we could require more, though,

1876
02:58:05,990 --> 02:58:11,430
because we need that economic, we have this maintainer original compliance with the law.

1877
02:58:11,430 --> 02:58:13,250
All right, feasibility study.

1878
02:58:14,230 --> 02:58:14,450
Right.

1879
02:58:14,850 --> 02:58:17,770
You could ask for another feasibility study, yes?

1880
02:58:19,150 --> 02:58:21,210
I mean, especially because we know that Orlington

1881
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:29,170
had a different required percentage.

1882
02:58:30,030 --> 02:58:31,330
Do we know that?

1883
02:58:31,870 --> 02:58:33,770
We don't know how they did it.

1884
02:58:33,890 --> 02:58:36,370
I think Carol Kowalski mentioned that in a session

1885
02:58:36,370 --> 02:58:38,850
that we had, but I've not campused and looked

1886
02:58:38,850 --> 02:58:42,050
that what variations the HLC actually approve.

1887
02:58:43,370 --> 02:58:46,910
I know the guidance says 15%, the guidance says 80% AMI.

1888
02:58:48,490 --> 02:58:53,930
Those are the most you can require, but it doesn't prevent an applicant.

1889
02:58:54,090 --> 02:58:59,590
If a non-profit housing developer decided they wanted to commit into 100%, and they fit

1890
02:58:59,590 --> 02:59:07,190
the dimensional requirements that are applicable to either the overlay districts or even SRDs,

1891
02:59:07,190 --> 02:59:08,790
depending upon the property in size,

1892
02:59:09,330 --> 02:59:11,450
there's nothing that would prevent me from doing it.

1893
02:59:11,730 --> 02:59:14,610
And then obviously you have, as you did on Lowell Street,

1894
02:59:14,730 --> 02:59:16,570
you had a friendly 40, be 100% affordable unit.

1895
02:59:16,950 --> 02:59:19,290
A friendly 40, be gives you a comprehensive permit,

1896
02:59:19,710 --> 02:59:21,590
issued by the Board of Appeals.

1897
02:59:22,230 --> 02:59:24,490
It was very successful on the Lowell Street project.

1898
02:59:25,990 --> 02:59:27,570
And it's 100% affordable.

1899
02:59:28,750 --> 02:59:30,110
So the tools are available.

1900
02:59:30,230 --> 02:59:32,110
And you can do that anywhere in Lexington.

1901
02:59:33,690 --> 02:59:40,650
So, right. But the question is, could we do it in an MBK district that's on bus routes

1902
02:59:40,650 --> 02:59:46,750
that makes more sense for inclusion? Sure. No restrictions, no restrictions.

1903
02:59:47,430 --> 02:59:50,590
Every one of the things that we're looking at could be a friendly 40-bit.

1904
02:59:51,510 --> 02:59:56,970
Arlington is 15 and they had an economic feasibility report to get to 15. They did the same thing

1905
02:59:56,970 --> 02:59:59,870
within. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Trump.

1906
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,980
I was going to, I was going to ask Mr. McBride to research that. So, this chance and go ahead.

1907
03:00:10,460 --> 03:00:31,600
Yeah, I actually looked around a little bit online. There's a few towns that had done a feasibility studies and had 20% affordable in our MBTA buildings. One is conquered. Yeah, there's no I would in no I would they require 20% affordable for

1908
03:00:31,600 --> 03:00:41,140
16 units or more. And then there's a communities like Middleboro and Regden have used chapter

1909
03:00:41,140 --> 03:00:48,540
40-A, I mean 40-R districts, which will be 20% affordable requirement to satisfy their

1910
03:00:48,540 --> 03:00:55,000
MBTA zoning mandates. So there's a different ways you can do that. And basically their multiple

1911
03:00:55,000 --> 03:01:01,240
communities are requiring 20% either directly with the feasibility study report or they swap

1912
03:01:01,240 --> 03:01:10,340
their 40-A, I mean 40-R districts, or they can just build, or they can, it's only 40-R districts,

1913
03:01:10,740 --> 03:01:18,960
which is 20% affordable, and then use that as part of the MBTA zone. So there are different ways

1914
03:01:18,960 --> 03:01:23,460
to do it, and other towns have, I mean, these are the names that I found a while ago.

1915
03:01:24,480 --> 03:01:31,020
Okay, thank you. I mean, I don't anticipate doing anything like this in the next.

1916
03:01:31,240 --> 03:01:39,320
in the next year. So what does it have to do with article two, which is less density

1917
03:01:39,320 --> 03:01:46,460
and fewer affordables. So I'm not quite sure how that would work. Was there having a major

1918
03:01:46,460 --> 03:01:48,020
discussion and a major change?

1919
03:01:50,480 --> 03:01:56,100
The housing partnership board will discuss only form based zoning

1920
03:01:56,100 --> 03:02:03,760
on September 2nd and I've asked them to keep that to 15 to 20 minutes and they're fine with that.

1921
03:02:04,800 --> 03:02:12,540
So and at that time certainly you can ask them about how they would apply it and they can

1922
03:02:12,540 --> 03:02:21,960
discuss it in more you know a little broader terms. Okay so at this point I think we're ready to

1923
03:02:21,960 --> 03:02:26,400
to adjourn our meeting, so I'll go to Ms. Thompson for motion.

1924
03:02:27,280 --> 03:02:35,560
Motion to adjourn the planning board meeting of Wednesday, August 19th, 2026 at 9.03pm.

1925
03:02:36,020 --> 03:02:36,860
Thank you.

1926
03:02:37,280 --> 03:02:38,380
Do we have a second?

1927
03:02:41,190 --> 03:02:43,010
You muted yourself as you talked.

1928
03:02:43,690 --> 03:02:44,030
Thank you.

1929
03:02:44,730 --> 03:02:45,570
Thank you.

1930
03:02:45,910 --> 03:02:46,810
And we'll vote.

1931
03:02:47,130 --> 03:02:47,850
Ms. Thompson?

1932
03:02:48,290 --> 03:02:48,650
Yes.

1933
03:02:49,290 --> 03:02:50,370
Ms. McBride?

1934
03:02:50,870 --> 03:02:51,330
Yes.

1935
03:02:51,850 --> 03:02:52,670
Mr. Schombacher?

1936
03:02:53,130 --> 03:02:53,370
Yes.

1937
03:02:53,370 --> 03:02:53,510
Yes.

1938
03:02:53,750 --> 03:02:54,530
It's Jensen.

1939
03:02:55,250 --> 03:02:55,490
Yes.

1940
03:02:55,990 --> 03:02:56,770
And I am a yes.

1941
03:02:57,190 --> 03:02:57,450
Okay.

1942
03:02:57,650 --> 03:02:58,330
Thank you very much.

1943
03:02:59,330 --> 03:03:00,110
Thank you.

1944
03:03:00,230 --> 03:03:00,590
Good night.

1945
03:03:00,870 --> 03:03:01,250
Good night.

1946
03:03:01,770 --> 03:03:02,290
Good night.

1947
03:03:02,590 --> 03:03:02,970
Thank you.