1 00:00:01,580 --> 00:00:19,160 We'd like to call the order of public or city council's special truth and taxation public hearing name, Tuesday, August 11, 226, 6 p.m., we'd like to welcome all council members, I think we're going to listen to the council members alone. I know she's not coming. 2 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:31,500 Welcome, welcome everyone. I do. It was an attendance for us today and joining us online. I'm just going to briefly kind of go over how we are going to go 3 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:37,580 tonight, I'm under two, just kind of explained to everyone how it handles out. 4 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,120 We'll first be hearing from our city administrators out there and then you'll provide a kind 5 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:50,940 of a presentation explaining the proposed tax increase and then we'll move into the public 6 00:00:50,940 --> 00:00:52,840 comments for those who are in person. 7 00:00:53,380 --> 00:00:58,180 In person, I feel completely new, then we'll move to, I think, Sarah, to the verbal through 8 00:00:58,180 --> 00:00:59,880 Microsoft Teams, that's correct. 9 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:07,180 And then we're going to move to on three under that in writing through the Q&A future Microsoft teams. 10 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:11,460 And then following that, we'll have our public comments by 11 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,180 the finance secretary, Ms. Roy. 12 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:17,800 And we'll share the city's property tax statement on that. 13 00:01:19,020 --> 00:01:21,980 And we'll go to that point to the city's administrative check-in. 14 00:01:48,750 --> 00:01:53,190 We've been working on this for a few months now. There might be some restants here that 15 00:01:53,190 --> 00:02:00,410 this might be somewhat new to them or some of this is probably going to be familiar to them. 16 00:02:00,670 --> 00:02:03,130 So, can we have a piece of TV on the back to you? 17 00:02:03,370 --> 00:02:03,530 Yes. 18 00:02:06,750 --> 00:02:12,990 So initially the proposal was trying to increase our staffing for the police 19 00:02:12,990 --> 00:02:17,750 and fire department. So this is stemming from some surveys we've done with our 20 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:22,090 neighbouring communities to see what their staffing levels are. I mean that's 21 00:02:22,090 --> 00:02:27,870 one aspect of that. But that's what you see up here is probably the thing that is at 22 00:02:27,870 --> 00:02:33,290 least in my mind is the administrator, which would be helpful for our city, is 23 00:02:33,290 --> 00:02:38,610 additional work walls was to add two police officers and also some additional 24 00:02:38,610 --> 00:02:45,310 funding for our reserve program and also so many for retention. So the 25 00:02:45,310 --> 00:02:49,590 reserve program is we we bring an officer from other cities that have 26 00:02:49,590 --> 00:02:56,610 experience they'll work a ship or two for us. So we get the experience of the 27 00:02:56,610 --> 00:03:01,290 officer working for us as a city that officers trying to make the election 28 00:03:01,290 --> 00:03:05,590 money they wanted to get some extra shifts, but we get an 29 00:03:05,590 --> 00:03:10,630 experience officer that is now on our streets by doing the 30 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:14,970 control. So we've had to sign, which would be the equivalent of 31 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:19,910 one person through the reserve program, and then we're looking 32 00:03:19,910 --> 00:03:25,130 at two other police officers. This was the initial request back 33 00:03:25,130 --> 00:03:30,230 when we talked about this in February March. We were also asking 34 00:03:30,230 --> 00:03:32,470 for three new full-time firefighters. 35 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:37,010 The initial cost for all of this was about $683,000, 36 00:03:37,790 --> 00:03:40,490 which the recommendation of the staff 37 00:03:40,490 --> 00:03:42,450 was to do with the property tax. 38 00:03:43,650 --> 00:03:47,030 At the time, based on the numbers that we had, 39 00:03:47,570 --> 00:03:50,170 it was gonna be $4.16 per month 40 00:03:50,870 --> 00:03:52,610 on an average home plus a growth. 41 00:03:53,710 --> 00:03:55,330 Now, this is before we got our new numbers 42 00:03:55,330 --> 00:03:56,950 from the county, in essence, 43 00:03:57,250 --> 00:03:58,770 the average home plus a growth of the times 44 00:03:58,770 --> 00:04:00,950 just $580,000. 45 00:04:02,350 --> 00:04:05,470 So that's the number that we've been working off 46 00:04:05,470 --> 00:04:07,270 as we've been having these discussions. 47 00:04:08,050 --> 00:04:10,270 So what I'm showing up here is the need, 48 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:12,550 this is why we are requesting this, 49 00:04:13,170 --> 00:04:15,750 is that we are trying to get more sworn officers, 50 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:17,770 if you look at our sworn officers, 51 00:04:18,130 --> 00:04:20,550 per 1,000 population. 52 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:23,050 Ideally, you're right at the 1.0 number. 53 00:04:23,790 --> 00:04:25,610 We're a little less than that, 0.79. 54 00:04:25,610 --> 00:04:30,670 nine. So this will help bolster that number and because one of them is a reserve 55 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:35,290 that doesn't necessarily count towards our full-time officers. But this will 56 00:04:35,290 --> 00:04:42,250 put us in a better position. And then on the fire department side, we run one 57 00:04:42,250 --> 00:04:46,390 station and this is the reason why that number is so low for us, because we have 58 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:52,010 three shifts in one station. And right now, those three shifts, we have five 59 00:04:52,010 --> 00:04:58,910 full-timers. Ideally, on a given shift, we have seven firefighters on our shift, so we are relying 60 00:04:58,910 --> 00:05:06,750 on two part-timers to fulfill us getting to seven on our shift. Part-timers generally 61 00:05:06,750 --> 00:05:12,190 speaking to similar reserve program, they're generally full-time somewhere else that are certified 62 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:19,590 firefighter, and they're coming and they're working a shift or two for us. The thing about part-timers 63 00:05:19,590 --> 00:05:25,870 is sometimes you're asking people to work and they don't want to work as far as the part 64 00:05:25,870 --> 00:05:34,910 time is concerned. Or we have a full time limit goes on vacation and so now we just need 65 00:05:34,910 --> 00:05:40,110 a part time limit to backfill that just to get back up to 5. So ideally on a shift we're 66 00:05:40,110 --> 00:05:47,350 going to run 7. Sometimes we don't quite get to 7, maybe we'll have 6 in our worst cases 67 00:05:47,350 --> 00:05:53,750 it's five, which we can still do what we need to do at five, but it's not as ideal. 68 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:59,890 So we want to bolster that number right now, but we're requesting this to get to six 69 00:06:00,330 --> 00:06:05,830 full-timers for shift, and by the other we get to seven, we have all the seven. 70 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:10,290 That's not what the request is this year, but we do eventually want to get to seven. 71 00:06:10,290 --> 00:06:16,810 And that might take a year or two before we get there, as far as that's concerned. 72 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:22,650 So that's a request that is on the table and through the property tax. 73 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:28,830 Now in the course of going through this process, the hard part for us is staff, particularly 74 00:06:28,830 --> 00:06:34,510 on the finance side, is we only have the information that we have as we're trying to project revenues 75 00:06:34,510 --> 00:06:41,390 and we're trying to project expenses so that when we get into any given moment, for 76 00:06:41,390 --> 00:06:45,610 instance, we're trying to project our self-tax revenues for next year and we're in March. 77 00:06:46,350 --> 00:06:51,170 We're working off of probably seven months out of 12, but what our current year self-tax 78 00:06:51,170 --> 00:06:51,710 numbers are. 79 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:55,450 And so when we're trying to project out, that just makes things a little tricky. 80 00:06:55,950 --> 00:07:01,270 So as we went through this process, the council said we want you to re-evaluate this and 81 00:07:01,270 --> 00:07:03,850 to see if there's a way that we can reduce that number 82 00:07:03,850 --> 00:07:08,170 for $4.16 a month down to some of these else. 83 00:07:09,150 --> 00:07:10,750 And so that's when we went back to staff. 84 00:07:11,490 --> 00:07:13,090 Fortunately, by the beginning of June, 85 00:07:14,030 --> 00:07:15,670 our last two months of sales tax numbers 86 00:07:15,670 --> 00:07:17,590 had come in higher than when we had projected. 87 00:07:18,190 --> 00:07:20,570 That's paid up some money that we could use 88 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:23,830 out of our existing general fund monies 89 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:27,790 that we weren't gonna need to have an additional tax money 90 00:07:27,790 --> 00:07:30,470 to pay for that additional property tax money. 91 00:07:31,270 --> 00:07:33,550 So for a burden, it was initially $600,000. 92 00:07:34,570 --> 00:07:37,350 I think we reduced it to give you that number. 93 00:07:37,570 --> 00:07:42,790 So 120, about 120,000 new cells texture would move up. 94 00:07:43,490 --> 00:07:45,390 So we had four things that we evaluated. 95 00:07:46,950 --> 00:07:47,710 Thank you. 96 00:07:51,860 --> 00:07:52,060 It's a blast. 97 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:59,080 The new cells texture was $129,841 additional. 98 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,680 We also have a re-enversiment from our 99 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,380 school resource officer from just school 100 00:08:07,380 --> 00:08:11,140 where we've been in negotiations to have them pay more for that. 101 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,000 And that finally came to fruition. 102 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,260 So that's more money that kept us back into the general fund. 103 00:08:16,980 --> 00:08:19,320 And then we have a new hotel that was open to even town. 104 00:08:19,980 --> 00:08:23,180 When we were putting the budget together, it was I thought 105 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:26,480 it was going to be opening later in the year 106 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:32,260 kind of find out. They did open I think in June we didn't have July. So we do get 107 00:08:32,260 --> 00:08:36,460 what's called a transit room tax off of that. We estimate that to be at about 108 00:08:36,460 --> 00:08:41,120 $30,000 based on the other hotel that we have in our community. So that was new 109 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,180 money that we were able to put into that. And then we also had some money that was 110 00:08:46,180 --> 00:08:52,980 initially in the capital fund to fund cameras, police spotting hands and things like 111 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:59,300 that we moved it over into the operating fund because it was a three-year contract and so 112 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:05,660 I felt comfortable using capital money, one-time monies for that, probably makes more sense 113 00:09:05,660 --> 00:09:11,260 to have the money in the operating fund, but that one could go either way for my opinion. 114 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,940 And so we took that money and it was in the operating fund and we put that back into the capital 115 00:09:15,940 --> 00:09:16,200 fund. 116 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:27,900 So as a result, that free that $317,421, which is now coming out of existing funds and doesn't need to be funded through the property tax. 117 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:39,700 So that reduced the property tax request for $4.16 amount down to $2.26 and that's on the average home. 118 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:46,400 So Denise has been going over the impact schedule and on the impact schedule it gets 119 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,940 detailed as far as the overall numbers. 120 00:09:49,540 --> 00:09:54,960 But essentially the revenue request is for $365,667. 121 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:05,420 And that is $2.26 per month on an average home which according to the county is $600,163. 122 00:10:05,420 --> 00:10:16,200 dollars. So that is, that's about the request. So with that money, what the state requires is that we have to be very specific as to what that money is going to be expanded on. 123 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:32,260 And so when we put this together initially, that was the two police officers in reserve, and also three firefighters, including outfitting, including funding for retention with our police department. 124 00:10:32,260 --> 00:10:38,920 So when we are able to find existing funds of $317,000 and reduce that burden, what we 125 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:44,500 are now, what will be funded with the property tax if we're going to go through is one place 126 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:49,020 officer and then help us fund essentially another officer through the research program 127 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,600 and then it will be some money for retention. 128 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,140 And on the fire department, it will be for two to fire buyers. 129 00:10:55,580 --> 00:10:59,340 And we're still getting three fire buyers, but we're paying for one amount of existing funds 130 00:10:59,340 --> 00:11:00,820 and we're paying for one of our police officers 131 00:11:00,820 --> 00:11:01,960 out of existing funds. 132 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,120 So when it comes to the discussion of the property tax, 133 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,840 that's not what is being contemplated 134 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,120 because we're already going to be able 135 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,300 to fund those through the system. 136 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,740 I think one thing I want to show you, 137 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:18,580 this is a question that we get asked 138 00:11:18,580 --> 00:11:22,700 from time to time, is what does this look like 139 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:23,860 for other cities? 140 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,120 There are a decent amount of cities 141 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,000 that they've decided that they're going to pursue a property tax increase. 142 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,180 In fact, I think there's a few... 143 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,600 That's kind of a humanism on there, aren't they? 144 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:37,780 Yeah. 145 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,280 Yeah, there's a lot going on. 146 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,000 I mean, they think this is just one aspect of what we're working on. 147 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:51,140 And so this is a chart that represents if every city with their proposed tax increases, 148 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,360 you're supposed to go through. 149 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,320 So, a good example is the amount they have they're hearing, 150 00:11:56,580 --> 00:12:03,080 that's Thursday, their rate is going to increase dramatically 151 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,300 because this is interesting to me. 152 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,300 They're going to fund their entire police department 153 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:10,660 out of their property tax. 154 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,700 That's the proposal, that's what they want to do. 155 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,340 Now, if we were to do that, I think in June speaking, 156 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:18,900 our police departments like $6 million 157 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:24,540 dollars and revenues were probably actually formally and we have to increase a 158 00:12:24,540 --> 00:12:29,340 property tax to million dollars probably a 50 percent increase if we just want to 159 00:12:29,340 --> 00:12:33,360 fund our police department using their property tax. So that's a tactic 30 160 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,480 using and that's that's fine that's up to email now but because of that that's 161 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,340 moving them they used to have one lower property taxes. I know several 162 00:12:42,340 --> 00:12:48,040 focus frames as well. They're growing and so they have to go to 163 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:56,260 fire stations and they have to staff those and so that's an outcome of growth. So as you can 164 00:12:56,260 --> 00:13:03,320 see we're probably on the less than the 50th percentile our rates at the City Council goes through 165 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:17,440 with this. It goes from 0.00938 to 0.001020. So that's what's reflected on the graph here. So that is 166 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:25,080 In a nutshell, that's the reasons why, and then we're just comparing the other cities to census upon your reference. 167 00:13:25,860 --> 00:13:29,620 I'll say that's our needs, or our needs, compared to other cities, is one way to do it. 168 00:13:30,540 --> 00:13:37,980 That's not the main reason I would say that we would do a tax increase, but it does help with the perspective of kind of what's going on. 169 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,460 To my understanding, sort of talking about senior hills in America, 170 00:13:41,460 --> 00:13:43,780 I think they're all doing the same thing right now. 171 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:45,840 They're in there to the taxation area. 172 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,380 Okay, so that's all I have is sort of questions. 173 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:51,080 Well, I just think it may stay, 174 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:52,900 because I think there's no information out there 175 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,680 that says it's 16.5% of the... 176 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:56,000 Oh, yeah. 177 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,920 We're at 8.75% now. 178 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:58,940 I think you just go to that. 179 00:13:59,120 --> 00:13:59,260 Yeah. 180 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:00,940 But the average is going to be good. 181 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:03,900 So on the $2.26 per month, 182 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,460 that would be an 8.75% increase based on what people paid last year. 183 00:14:09,340 --> 00:14:16,900 Okay, so initially it was 16.55, that was our old number back in May and early June, but 184 00:14:16,900 --> 00:14:22,120 with the council, with the rate out that was going to go into the property tax notices 185 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:30,100 and reduce that rate down to the 1875, so we can almost cut that in half for 16.55 to 1875. 186 00:14:30,740 --> 00:14:32,400 Thank you, Mary, I had a mention, I think. 187 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:51,000 We just asked those who were in person to come out to the state fair, state fair filming, 188 00:14:51,540 --> 00:14:53,680 and then you'll have three minutes for that. 189 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,280 We will go ahead and open the door. 190 00:15:03,890 --> 00:15:04,530 First, 191 00:15:07,150 --> 00:15:15,830 I want to want to compliment the city council for working in 1655 down to the 8-something percent 192 00:15:15,830 --> 00:15:22,630 awesome. We always like not being taxed more. Beautiful. That's a good thing. I think the reason, 193 00:15:25,610 --> 00:15:25,610 you know, 194 00:15:25,610 --> 00:15:30,330 We had a real interest in this, you know, increasing taxes is a big thing. 195 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:32,430 It should be done lightly. 196 00:15:32,730 --> 00:15:38,710 You know, last time when we were talking for the previous time, it wasn't 16%. 197 00:15:39,190 --> 00:15:41,930 That's a pretty big, that's a double digit, you know, increase. 198 00:15:42,730 --> 00:15:46,950 And greatly, I think you listened to some of the citizens that worked this out. 199 00:15:47,270 --> 00:15:50,210 It's a pencil to the paper and figure it out. 200 00:15:50,670 --> 00:15:52,010 And that's awesome. 201 00:15:52,250 --> 00:15:53,850 So I can commend you for that. 202 00:15:55,290 --> 00:15:58,830 But I guess what I also want to say is, what can we do more? 203 00:15:59,870 --> 00:16:03,830 You know, in the private sector, when you have, you don't have enough money. 204 00:16:04,070 --> 00:16:08,030 And the first thing you do is say, how can we cut as usually layoffs? 205 00:16:08,250 --> 00:16:11,690 There's things that happen to say, we have to stay within our budget. 206 00:16:12,570 --> 00:16:14,250 We don't have this unlimited pool. 207 00:16:14,450 --> 00:16:16,810 If you just say, we're going to tax more to increase. 208 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:22,250 I would look at salaries, look at areas that you can cut and try to cut taxes. 209 00:16:22,250 --> 00:16:25,830 because it is a huge burden on all of us these days. 210 00:16:26,350 --> 00:16:27,790 And it's not $20 a year. 211 00:16:28,410 --> 00:16:30,410 It's not a huge significant amount. 212 00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:31,610 It's sort of the principal. 213 00:16:32,910 --> 00:16:35,150 And overall, it's a huge little thing that happens. 214 00:16:35,470 --> 00:16:36,570 We have $20 a year. 215 00:16:36,890 --> 00:16:38,270 The school district charges more. 216 00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:39,550 This charges more. 217 00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:42,430 Food, whatever it might be, continues to go on. 218 00:16:42,990 --> 00:16:46,390 I know right now I've forecasted that the world of areas 219 00:16:46,390 --> 00:16:50,530 are going to bring in about $10 million of additional funding. 220 00:16:50,530 --> 00:16:55,450 That's awesome. That's what we need is retail business. That saves us. 221 00:16:55,930 --> 00:16:59,430 I put the tax burden on somebody else and not the citizens. 222 00:17:00,030 --> 00:17:04,390 But this is a direct tax on our property. It's a hard pill to swallow. 223 00:17:05,210 --> 00:17:10,570 And I would encourage you to look at other ways, look at ways to cut expenses 224 00:17:10,570 --> 00:17:15,470 because that's what the private sector would do. I appreciate all the work that's been done. 225 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:18,390 I believe there's still even more that could be done. 226 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:22,430 So that's all I have to do. 227 00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:24,750 Anyone else? 228 00:17:25,150 --> 00:17:25,670 Please come forward. 229 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,000 My name is John and Kirk. 230 00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:40,280 I'm here to speak in favor of the increase. 231 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,460 I was pleasantly surprised to hear that this city has actually 232 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:48,460 done this work to figure out how to bring it down. 233 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:49,420 So good job. 234 00:17:51,180 --> 00:17:54,220 But quite frankly, the numbers are... 235 00:17:55,420 --> 00:18:05,700 I mean, your guys' job is, I think everyone here and everybody in the city understands and appreciates that your job is to not just merely provide for infrastructure, but protect our citizens. 236 00:18:06,420 --> 00:18:11,320 Okay, so I think, I think you have a beauty on this one, our numbers are below. 237 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:21,560 I'm pretty sure, I don't have any of you, have ever answered an item on a phone call when or if anybody here has answered an item on a phone call. 238 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,680 knowing that there were not enough officers or firefighters under the 239 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,320 handle. If you sat on a phone call for 15 minutes, taking instructions for CPR 240 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,180 hoping that the next car medic can show up. I don't think anybody here answered 241 00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:36,880 the phone call that I did. 242 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,580 When I have Sergeant Joseph Adams which shot and 243 00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:42,760 killed. 244 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,440 I was one speaking with the first person there that witnessed it and it 245 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:56,800 longer than we wanted. Look, we guys numbers, they're still low. And we cannot be low. We don't 246 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,720 have school, we don't have a lot of resource officers in every school. I don't want my kid 247 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:07,040 going to school and having an incident. We never remember tired and you have to do need to raise 248 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:13,120 this. Two dollars a month. I just need the idea of anything to come up and even argue about that. 249 00:19:13,660 --> 00:19:18,480 I think it's unfortunate. So I have to give you a wish. You will have to hold out more so you can 250 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:26,280 better protection. There are officers not just more that are trained to keep them, so I'm in favor, please. 251 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Thank you. 252 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:29,300 Anyone else? 253 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:34,180 Welcome. 254 00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:35,320 Thank you. 255 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,520 Did your prescriptions, if I want to see you, I have to put them back on there. 256 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:39,760 I know. 257 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:40,540 You're good. 258 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:43,040 I just made a show on my last name is Barry. 259 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:45,020 I'll take my off. 260 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:46,800 That's also a read. 261 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:48,820 So that's my other issue. 262 00:19:51,260 --> 00:19:52,780 There's two things I'm thinking about. 263 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:59,240 John Williams, who I mentioned about budgeting on either a personal basis or a business basis. 264 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:05,060 We look at anything we have to do and say, if it's not kind of fun everything, you have 265 00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:05,940 to put it in the hierarchy. 266 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:13,540 And one of the things that, as much fun as a part fireworks, an activity that the city 267 00:20:13,540 --> 00:20:18,480 response of might be the police and the fire department of garrison is the 268 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,120 current they are very important there should be a hierarchy so if we're 269 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:27,300 bringing money in we should be looking at the most important things to fund 270 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:32,460 first and then if we have a surplus that's a you know what where you can 271 00:20:32,460 --> 00:20:39,100 review them and we can take care of that again example of the fireworks part activity 272 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:39,940 to be something like that. 273 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,040 Those things, while they're fun, 274 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:45,380 they're not, they don't mess with people's livelihood, 275 00:20:46,140 --> 00:20:49,040 and probably taxes, in my opinion, mess with them. 276 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,640 My livelihood, because it takes something away from 277 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,720 what I'm trying to provide for my family, the South of Canada. 278 00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:58,240 I bought my home in 2020 here, became a pro-profit. 279 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:59,340 We love Pleasant Grove. 280 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,360 It was in wonderful places a little bit. 281 00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:04,700 But the value that they had at that then, 282 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:07,560 was just number 400,000. 283 00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:12,840 and their value is, again, this is the county that does what I understand, but the percentage 284 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:19,160 is everybody gets that percentage of cut. It's now valued in this tax year at $631,000. 285 00:21:20,940 --> 00:21:26,160 Is it worth that? I don't know. To get the money out of the sell it, so I don't want 286 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:31,520 to do that, I don't want to stay. So I don't have that money here. That's unrealized game 287 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,840 when you look at it from a business standpoint. So rate, remaining the same, multiplied by my 288 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,960 increase in probability value gives everyone across the board in that slide 289 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:47,260 everybody saw it gives you an increase you're getting an increase we should 290 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:53,180 be able to afford it out of that that is the race that we get and so now I 291 00:21:53,180 --> 00:21:57,660 look at it I would vote no on anything like that when the values that kept going 292 00:21:57,660 --> 00:22:03,320 up if it changes that then we could look at it again but John John hence my 293 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:09,000 said it goes it just it's always seems like it's going up and up and up and it's it's 294 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,060 it's almost $2 per house or something like that per month so 25 bucks a 295 00:22:14,060 --> 00:22:19,460 year or like that 30 bucks is that gonna kill me? No it's not but it's death by a 296 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:25,740 thousand cuts and one of these days there's gonna be a senior up here who says I 297 00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:31,280 can't afford to stay here because they're taxing me out of my home because they 298 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:36,080 They can't go out like I might be able to, or somebody else is still working, pick up a side 299 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,700 gave increase to this, it's too heavy enough to bring you a little more money. 300 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:42,140 And that's what everybody, that's what most people do. 301 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:48,600 They figure out second jobs, that's it, and thank you for your time, thank you, thank you 302 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:48,820 for doing this. 303 00:22:55,860 --> 00:23:01,160 Jeff Adams, this isn't so much for you guys, but for everybody else, it's listening online. 304 00:23:02,180 --> 00:23:03,600 What services do you want to cut? 305 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:09,200 But because we can cut services, and then we might not need as many officers to fire fighters. 306 00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:12,620 This kind of, if your neighbor's dog is parking, 307 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,100 somebody broke into your car and you don't have them there to tame. 308 00:23:18,380 --> 00:23:25,280 You like Salt Lake, give them a website and they call in and they get a, at least report numbers they can file with their insurance. 309 00:23:26,420 --> 00:23:30,800 You want somebody to come and take your car or take the keys out of your car and lock them in? 310 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:40,560 If we're not an occupant, cut services, cut the parts, cut the right sign, cut the library, cut services, because that's where it's gonna be. 311 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,860 So, unfortunately, things do need, things cost more, and there needs to be increases. 312 00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:51,100 This is a really small increase, and by the way, I'm in favor of it, because I've seen firsthand what the difference is, 313 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:57,480 having officers at a season to show up to a call as opposed to an officer, and I don't know how many people know this, 314 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:03,980 five years ago are beginning officers made less than $20 an hour. I believe it was a 1982 or something 315 00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:10,600 I got to start English. Five 10-year officers weren't picking over 30. So when we talked about cutting 316 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:17,580 salaries, hell no. We were the lowest paid department in this entire county for decades. Now I think 317 00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:23,980 we're a second or a third. We're not at the bottom anymore, we've come up. Thank you. So it's not going 318 00:24:23,980 --> 00:24:30,500 salaries, that's just not going to be an option, cut services or raise taxes. I'm 319 00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:33,580 sure that you guys at one point when we start getting more taxes than like you've 320 00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:37,180 already done, you've already kind of shown the direction you want to go. I would 321 00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:40,960 love to stay here and you guys say, hey, guess what? We're going to do a two percent 322 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,360 reduction in property taxes because our cell taxes have now improved what we 323 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,080 thought that they were and you're probably still going to have people of your 324 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,080 vision more than about it. So I don't envy the position that you guys are in but 325 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,400 So if somebody wants to have a problem with how we have to pay and it's two bucks a month, 326 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:04,320 when you need the, please do something that you won't do, touch it, figure it out, because 327 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,300 that's where it's going to be, because that's where other cities are. 328 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:12,200 Not just in our own county, in our own state, but throughout the country, there are cutting 329 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:12,660 services. 330 00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:17,360 So you want to cut services or you want to pay a couple bucks more a month to make sure 331 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:18,640 that you can get yourself taken care of. 332 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,500 Thank you. 333 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:22,020 Thank you. Any comments? 334 00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:33,840 I'm not seeing anyone else come up. 335 00:25:34,060 --> 00:25:36,820 We're going to move to our second portion of this. 336 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,980 Sierra, I'm going to check in with you on the online verbal public comments. 337 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,100 We do not have to go online at this time. 338 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:50,860 Okay, so then I think we move then to the written or any written comments. 339 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,160 Thank you. 340 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,520 So that said that I think Scott will move into the item three. 341 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,000 We're going to be going back up to your council meeting. 342 00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:06,500 So I just want to understand. 343 00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:08,180 Council is not taking a vote tonight. 344 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,620 The vote is going to be next week. 345 00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:11,200 Who will be going to adopt our budget? 346 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,460 Tonight's purpose was for the Parliament to make their comment. 347 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,120 So it's up to you if anybody wants to comment on anything if not that we would go to. 348 00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:22,160 Yes, so before I move back up to your council, 349 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,580 So we can do, because I think there's some questions 350 00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:28,020 about how problem tax works, 351 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,340 and if you could explain that, 352 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:33,620 because yes, we are adding more citizens 353 00:26:33,620 --> 00:26:37,120 to more problems, but could you not probably 354 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:37,820 adjust that? 355 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,220 Yeah, you know, thank you Scott. 356 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:39,880 We appreciate that. 357 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,700 I just want to make sure that I hear you officially 358 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:42,460 close the public. 359 00:26:42,660 --> 00:26:43,320 Oh, sorry. 360 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,440 I said, we'll go ahead and close the public here 361 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,080 and at this time, and we'll light up 362 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,340 and see if this is your shot. 363 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,220 Sorry, thanks. 364 00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:55,100 Yeah, the question comes up and sometimes it's just a misunderstanding that when your property 365 00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:59,300 value goes up, then your taxes are automatically increased with it. 366 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:05,120 The state has set it up that as your value of your home increases, your rate goes down. 367 00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:12,960 Now, this is done on a citywide basis, and so it's not as simple as if your assess valuation 368 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:19,260 goes up $25,000 that the rate is going to adjust specifically for your property. 369 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:24,500 doesn't work that way. But in general sense when we get our assessed valuation as a city 370 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:30,100 for the city as a whole, then our rate is reduced to make sure our revenues are the same 371 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:35,500 as what they were last year. So we are not benefiting from the increased values in the home. 372 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,820 We do benefit from new growth. So if we have days that were not on the tax rolls last year, 373 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:46,660 then are on the tax rolls this year. That's new money that comes into the city. But an increase 374 00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:55,080 value is not a cash cow from the city. I need to research this because I do remember when I started 375 00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:06,220 here in 2010 our rate was over 0.002 something and now we're 0.009 because the value of what the 376 00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:12,320 property value plus and rho in 16 years has increased quite a bit but that's why our rate has dropped. 377 00:28:16,660 --> 00:28:21,680 the graphic of the slide of our rate going down and it came up a little bit on the 378 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:21,840 table. 379 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:28,320 And then it slipped down again and so that were effectively going back to the rate that 380 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:28,620 existed. 381 00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:32,260 I think two years ago, something like that was about this what we do. 382 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:32,580 Yeah. 383 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,860 So I think you did show that to me in a public meeting. 384 00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:35,140 Yeah. 385 00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:37,520 And that was probably at the $4.16. 386 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,600 So I probably hasn't come up this much. 387 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,000 slightly misperception from the public comes from the fact that their 388 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,540 rule bill does keep going on, but it just doesn't pertain to the city's 389 00:28:50,540 --> 00:28:55,280 taxing authority. It's the schoolwork. You probably have to percentage off hand or maybe 390 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,480 did that change percent of your property tax choice to the city? 391 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,080 It was the city. So what did you notice from the school? 392 00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:03,720 Yeah, the county and the school plan to the city rule it. 393 00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:06,660 So there's a lot of ways it goes out there, rates are dropped as well. 394 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,780 But they might raise their taxes on a different 395 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:14,600 under different rule. For us, we're applying on power taxes for the city, what we control. 396 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:20,220 We aren't raising money every year. If your tax bill goes up, it has nothing to do with 397 00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:25,860 what we're raising on the less we have this kind of truth and taxation or a specific tax increase 398 00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:30,600 with the government. So, just want to make sure that that's understood that we're such a small, 399 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:34,720 small part of that tax bill and we only control what we can control. 400 00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:42,440 Well, I think there's, I think there's going to be something that raised by 16% of the, you 401 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,080 know, public books that the tax bill total status is due here, just recently. 402 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:55,020 And, I mean, 16% of a $30,000 tax bill, the one that should be saving you points at the 403 00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:56,700 But the bonus, it was 16. 404 00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:59,200 And it was 15, we moved the tape, right? 405 00:29:59,500 --> 00:29:59,880 So... 406 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:15,220 So when, when, when we hear that, it's, it's, it's now, we're recommending eight percent increase on the city, on the city portion, which is 15 percent. 407 00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:15,860 What's the next subject that we have? 408 00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:18,380 Council. 409 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:18,840 Okay. 410 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,780 The other questions. 411 00:30:21,790 --> 00:30:24,530 So the other questions, we're just going to see you. 412 00:30:25,570 --> 00:30:26,410 But I don't have a question. 413 00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:26,750 Please. 414 00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:27,890 Okay. 415 00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:28,310 Go ahead. 416 00:30:28,570 --> 00:30:31,090 Yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, 417 00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:34,090 I think that we really appreciate the engagement 418 00:30:34,090 --> 00:30:35,210 of public Congress decision. 419 00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:38,490 We have a survey and the people respond to the survey 420 00:30:38,490 --> 00:30:40,310 for key statistics that we see here we can. 421 00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:43,190 And that just gives us information as a council 422 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:45,750 to make these decisions that we can see 423 00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:51,630 are kind of needed for our city and I appreciate the public's engagement. I just, I have also 424 00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:58,750 paying attention around us. One of those tax rates and increases are going. And, for instance, 425 00:30:58,990 --> 00:31:06,170 the amount, and I didn't ask one last week, it was 183%, so if you're considering a 50% increase, 426 00:31:06,170 --> 00:31:13,130 Cedar Hills, our neighbor, to one of this considering 19.5%, American Fourth is considering 427 00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:20,250 an 8.48%, which is $33 a standard household there, so an actual higher dollar amount, but 428 00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:21,850 a similar percentage. 429 00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:26,930 And then even outside of Utah County, looking at cities that are similar size to us, Wood Cross 430 00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:35,170 is at 46%, when a high 42%, Draper Salt Lake is 25%, Draper Utah is from 2%, K2 Bill 14%. 431 00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:48,610 So this is a reality of our state and wanting to make sure that we provide the services that we feel are necessary for our citizens. 432 00:31:49,510 --> 00:31:56,790 And I can tell you, and I know, I've talked to a lot of, you know, John in the office, to a lot of the folks here that I mean comments, 433 00:31:57,310 --> 00:32:02,510 that we get those very seriously and then we didn't go back and did a lot of our own research 434 00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:08,130 to make sure that what we're doing is just being responsible for the city. And what I can say 435 00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:14,850 is as I look at our directors and we have our public works director here, we have our police chief 436 00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:21,390 and our fire chief and so on. Our captains are here and as I look at what they're doing for the city 437 00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:29,470 and what they're doing it with, I know that our dollars are being spent in a very responsible 438 00:32:29,470 --> 00:32:34,730 way. I've gone through the numbers. I've gone through the budget. I've asked questions. I've 439 00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:39,850 sat down with Scott and Denise multiple times. We've had discussions and and some other things 440 00:32:39,850 --> 00:32:47,570 that reports generated that have raised some discussion points. And as I look at our directors 441 00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:54,370 in our divisions in our city, I am impressed by what they do with what they have. 442 00:32:55,330 --> 00:33:01,110 And when I look at our police department and our fire department, what we have to deal with. 443 00:33:01,930 --> 00:33:12,250 And the difficult things that they do for us, there's no way that I would ever consider cutting those services. 444 00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:16,510 We have private citizens, generals up areas, part of the gunner and 445 00:33:16,510 --> 00:33:19,770 current. We have private citizens that are doing a lot of money to help our 446 00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:24,270 police department to help shoulder that cost. Those are private citizens and 447 00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:29,670 businesses that indicate time and money to help our police force have the things 448 00:33:29,670 --> 00:33:36,430 they need. And as a city, I agree with Mr. Burke, it's our duty to provide those 449 00:33:36,430 --> 00:33:40,830 services to our citizens so that we know that we've done what we can to keep them 450 00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:46,090 say and protected in the most vulnerable time. So I really just appreciate our city 451 00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:53,450 directors and administration going through the exercises with us doing the hard work 452 00:33:54,110 --> 00:34:01,850 finding where we can save a bunch of money because we did and we did cut things that maybe weren't 453 00:34:01,850 --> 00:34:08,130 necessary. We did budget differently so we could get everything that we identified as a need 454 00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:11,310 for half of the property tax it creates. 455 00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:13,750 And I think that our staff and our administration 456 00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:16,390 that shows a lot of character, a lot of ability, 457 00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:18,190 and I really appreciate it, so. 458 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:19,010 That's all I see. 459 00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:19,550 Thank you. 460 00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:21,190 Just for the rest of the day. 461 00:34:21,790 --> 00:34:23,930 Well, I can see the standing location on that one. 462 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:27,550 I do want to, I, one thing I do want to say, 463 00:34:30,130 --> 00:34:33,410 and I agree with Steve 100%. 464 00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:37,430 I want to address the revenue coming in from the growth 465 00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:50,990 that will only continue. And I think that will help us fund services that we need, especially 466 00:34:50,990 --> 00:35:02,630 as our daytime population down the road. I do want to say this about how I feel about 467 00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:12,850 hiring police and fire full-time. And I'm not a doomsdayer, but if there is a catastrophe, 468 00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:23,310 your staff that is full-time will come to your town. Your staff is part-time. We'll go to their full-time 469 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:33,310 And I love having qualified, educated, smart, 470 00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:39,650 tenured, first responders in my town 471 00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:41,710 when a catastrophe happens. 472 00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:52,370 I do. I also echo Steve's comments 473 00:35:52,370 --> 00:36:18,720 and I had a little flip to dough, I think Mr. Kirk and Jim, you made a liar out of me in the sense that I said no one would ever advocate for a tax increase, but I appreciate your words and your perspective and your willingness to stand up as essentially one on the island to say this is the right thing to do. 474 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:26,780 so often we have what I would call the extremely local minority who stands up and 475 00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:32,420 criticizes the very heavy responsibility that we take. And I appreciate you standing up 476 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:40,440 and being willing to say that. Mr. Johannes Meier mentioned is the principal and I 477 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:46,120 absolutely agree that it's the principal. Unfortunately to me it's the principal 478 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,480 that I am not willing. 479 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,720 At least in the current circumstances to cut everything else simply 480 00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:00,080 because we want to make sure that it's only an outline for police. This is a community 481 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:07,460 that we are a part of. The services that we provide, especially for those in great 482 00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:11,860 seeing my first city responsibilities and volunteering opportunities, were with the library. 483 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:20,260 I spent six years on the library board and I know what a community center our library 484 00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:26,000 is where it provides an opportunity for those who may not have internet at all or may 485 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,660 not have the resources that so many of us take for granted that benefit and we have a 486 00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:37,640 responsibility, and I don't consider this socialism at all, but we have a responsibility to make 487 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:45,000 make sure that especially the least in our community have access for resources, access 488 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,560 to the programs, access to the community opportunities like the library, the rec center, 489 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,480 the programs that made such a difference in the lives of our neighbors. 490 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:03,540 And I am grateful to stand behind that principle that I will stand for for everyone and complete 491 00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:09,300 be supported this time, this need are fired and are police and the great things that they do. 492 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,280 Thank you. Councilor Wood and everything. No, I don't think so. I mean, you know, we've talked a lot about 493 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:28,010 this a lot of different avenues from expenses to revenue. That's my, that's what I do every day, 494 00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:34,830 And the city is an amazing job ensuring that we match our 495 00:38:34,830 --> 00:38:40,170 current use of our tax generate revenue to a 496 00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:40,990 appropriate thickness. 497 00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:45,190 And, you know, those questions, good answers, Great 498 00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:48,830 Wars, capability for the most direction, 499 00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:55,230 There was change, there was, and I had no questions 500 00:39:00,690 --> 00:39:04,290 I'll just speak a few words here, okay, thank you. 501 00:39:04,830 --> 00:39:08,670 I appreciate your engagement. 502 00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:09,990 It helps me a lot. 503 00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:13,110 I appreciate that. 504 00:39:13,470 --> 00:39:18,010 I think there's a little bit of a mess concession. 505 00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:23,270 I think people think the city is immune to inflation 506 00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:34,570 or cost increase that because we're government or just entity that cities are, that we don't get affected by gas prices and supplies. 507 00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:39,310 Something is like for life that go for our parts can cost you know increase thousands of dollars. 508 00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:46,510 So there are things that we get affected by that we have to increase our costs and you know unfortunately castles on us. 509 00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:50,990 We can maintain our level of service that we want for our citizens but I think that gets forgotten sometimes. 510 00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:58,390 So because we're not a private business for your business and we're a public business that doesn't affect us, but it does. 511 00:39:59,590 --> 00:40:04,410 And I think the other misconception that I kind of heard is that we're doing all this in a business in tax growth. 512 00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:06,070 So where is all that revenue going? 513 00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:16,690 With that tax growth comes the growth of more people and more businesses and it more impact on our services, which is why our first responders are so critical at this time. 514 00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:18,810 especially with the new hotel going in. 515 00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:21,850 More housing going in and businesses, 516 00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:24,010 we want to make sure those are protected and safe. 517 00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:26,570 And my job as a council member first and foremost, 518 00:40:26,570 --> 00:40:28,510 is to help save people in the area of the community. 519 00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:30,610 So if that's taken care of, 520 00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:33,630 then I hope we can address the other areas 521 00:40:33,630 --> 00:40:35,590 that we need to work on. 522 00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:40,230 When residents spoke about the livelihood of the community, 523 00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:44,210 I would say when we have about six to seven thousand people 524 00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:49,570 down and join the fireworks on our 250th celebration of the country, that's part of our livelihood. 525 00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:56,670 And so we try to balance that livelihood with the needs of our first responders and our 526 00:40:56,670 --> 00:41:01,650 clerks and our recreation. And so we try, that's our job, is to make sure everything is covered. 527 00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:06,250 Because what one person thinks is a livelihood may not be the same for someone else, which is 528 00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:11,090 again why we want you to come and give us your comments. And I appreciate that. I appreciate the 529 00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:15,950 council member. I love that we got the rate to where it is. It was a double digit increase. 530 00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:20,770 Now we're down to, you know, 8.75 and I think that's a doable amount for 531 00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:27,290 for many people. I don't think $2 on average is unreasonable to ask for considering what it's going 532 00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:34,210 towards. I do think that this honestly should, we should probably look at doing something like this 533 00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:38,970 incrementally and not do as much of a amount, but we don't get a situation where now we have to ask 534 00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:43,050 for something that people don't know these other cities that see refer to, to only have 535 00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:48,330 two public tax increases over the last 40 years. One was proposed and we didn't get 536 00:41:48,330 --> 00:41:52,790 that going through, but to do two, that we know over the past 40 years, we really should 537 00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:56,110 probably be applying a little bit better and making sure we're adjusting the current relations 538 00:41:56,110 --> 00:41:59,750 that we don't get in a problem like these other cities have done and making sure that we're 539 00:41:59,750 --> 00:42:05,510 adjusting those needs. And so that is what I would like to look at going forward. So it's a 540 00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:08,810 manageable not for our citizens and our businesses, but we're just 541 00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:13,510 thinking about how we need to ask for a warning that we need to, but I don't 542 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:17,550 like asking what I mean to, I think that we're asking for our 543 00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:20,750 future spot, we need to make sure that we're safe, and I want to say that it 544 00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:22,610 helped me a lot, we're seeking care of our community for some 545 00:42:22,610 --> 00:42:27,630 formulas because that is my most important job as a council member, but I 546 00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:31,650 appreciate the comments and we can ask the continue to come regardless of 547 00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:35,130 what the issue is because it does impact me as a council member, if I 548 00:42:35,130 --> 00:42:43,170 I don't care from you, and I just don't want the information I research myself, but I appreciate you coming in and hope that what you will continue to be involved and engage. 549 00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:46,050 Thank you. 550 00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:52,730 I'll just say a few words because I think my council thank you for your insight and your comments. 551 00:42:53,310 --> 00:42:55,350 I appreciate it to the public. Thank you. 552 00:42:55,350 --> 00:43:00,890 right? For coming out, expressing your views and your insights. 553 00:43:02,970 --> 00:43:07,430 You know, as I, I mean I've lived in the city a lot of time, and we're a city of services. 554 00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:22,250 And who provides the services is our fine employees. And I appreciate them so much because as I drive around the city, and whether it's walking through the library or busy public works, 555 00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:26,310 We're going to the right center or all of the different parts. 556 00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:35,690 I see not a city, I see a community and I appreciate the work that is done on behalf of the 557 00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:36,150 citizens. 558 00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:39,310 Our employees work hard every day. 559 00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:42,710 We run a lean, lean machine, and it doesn't grow. 560 00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:44,990 I trust the member. 561 00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:46,490 It's roughly set. 562 00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:47,930 I've looked at numbers. 563 00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:49,010 I've looked at the numbers. 564 00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:50,990 we went back and forth, 565 00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:59,050 it was a lot to see that our police and the 566 00:43:59,050 --> 00:44:05,630 fire stepped up and asked for help. You know, we went through this a few years ago, 567 00:44:05,810 --> 00:44:08,950 I think it's been more than a few years ago, we went through this process and 568 00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:12,990 the council went through it and said what is the most important and we rank 569 00:44:12,990 --> 00:44:18,490 everything. And then we stayed to a vote of the citizens. The citizens came back and 570 00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:21,490 I said, no, we don't want to cut the library, 571 00:44:21,790 --> 00:44:22,730 we don't want to cut the mark. 572 00:44:24,350 --> 00:44:27,290 And that's, I think it was overwhelmingly in favor of that. 573 00:44:28,690 --> 00:44:31,350 So I, again, appreciate the Council for your comments 574 00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:34,930 and for insight, your own city. 575 00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:38,290 We have expectations to meet. 576 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:40,370 And this is one of them. 577 00:44:40,850 --> 00:44:45,250 And so, I think the next item is an issue 578 00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:48,230 You guys read your nice little bit there. 579 00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:52,790 See you soon. 580 00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:54,630 We were going to ask you guys. 581 00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:56,550 Yeah, I was going to be pointing to you guys 582 00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:57,970 to get rid of some of it. 583 00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:59,970 So, as you know, this was... 584 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,520 Welcome to the Legislature, so it's for us to be in compliance. Procose property tax impacts, 585 00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:11,500 scheduled, tenet of budget, July 1, 2026, June 30, 2027. 586 00:45:12,540 --> 00:45:20,120 The federal city will consider an increase to its property tax rates from $0.009,380, $2.001, 587 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:28,920 $020 to generate an additional $365,667. The following information is intended to provide 588 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,260 by decision makers in the public with an explanation 589 00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:34,160 of how the city's operations would be affected 590 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,700 if the proposed property tax increase is adopted. 591 00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:39,800 Pleasant Grove City's current property tax rate 592 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,940 is 0.00938. 593 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,240 Pleasant Grove City's current property tax revenue 594 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:49,120 is $4,178,247. 595 00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:54,260 The proposed revenue tax change would be $4,543,914. 596 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:02,460 The new property tax revenue to Pleasant Road City would be $365,667. 597 00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:09,960 The estimated increase to Pleasant Road City's property tax revenue is 8.75%. 598 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:18,040 Estimated annual increase to a primary residence of $601,623 is $27.16. 599 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:27,080 estimated annual increase to a commercial value at $600 and $1,623 is $49.38. 600 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:36,920 The effective department is police. The proposed budget is $6,500 and $4,600 and $2. 601 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:48,600 With out of the tax change, the budget would be $6,287,935, that budget change is $153,667. 602 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,840 The impact of the tax increase, the police start department will hire one new police officer 603 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,460 to provide funding for reserve and retention. 604 00:46:57,460 --> 00:47:12,160 Effective Department Fire, proposed budget $3,725,747, budget without tax change is $3,510,747. 605 00:47:12,980 --> 00:47:23,300 A budget change of $212,000. The impact of the tax increase the fire department will hire two new firefighters and provide funding for outfitting. 606 00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:29,480 total general fund change is 368,667 dollars. 607 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,400 Please. 608 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:33,680 All right. 609 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,020 Let's set any motion to adjourn. 610 00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:37,360 So moved. 611 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:38,120 Second. 612 00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:40,080 In motion by Councilmember Williams. 613 00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:41,280 I think I heard a second. 614 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,460 We cast for the registrar. 615 00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:44,040 A little bit more. 616 00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:44,540 Aye. 617 00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:45,560 The adjourn.