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» There's a new show called uh
It's on Disney Bay on Apple TV. It's so

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» Oh, Widows. Yes.
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» How many air miles for a fish?

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» It is so
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» And y'all are
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» Cool. It's like a week and a half or so.
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» I'll be right in the universe.
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» We'll do.
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» I feel like I forgot a wave.

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» What's going on?
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» Ooh, it's almost 5:30.

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» aloha My allergies are a little bad, so
if I sound like Kermit halfway through

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the meeting,
that's what it is.

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» What I do?
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You can actually come back here.
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» Yeah.
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» So, um are we all set?
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» All right.
So, I'm going to call the meeting to

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order. You just slam it on the wood.
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» All right.
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» So, I call the May 12th, uh 2026
Pleasant Ridge, uh City Commission

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meeting to order.
Thank you, sir.

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» Thank you very

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» All right.
We have the Pledge of Allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, and to the

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Republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> Can we have roll call, please?

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» Mayor Scott.
>> Here.

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» Commissioner Budnick.
>> Here.

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» Commissioner Lenko.
>> Here.

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» Commissioner Perry.
>> Here.

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» Commissioner Shmier.
>> Here.

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» All right. Uh public discussions, item
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» Hi.
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» Hello.
>> Hi. I'll kick us off, I guess. Um I'm

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just here to take up a few minutes of
your time. My name is Alyssa Tobby. I

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have met a few of you a couple of times.
I'm here as the community engagement

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representative assigned to your
community from the Oakland County Water

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Resources Commissioner's office, Jim
Nash. You are one of our customer

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communities, but also I'm fortunate to
live just a few streets over on West

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Drayton. So, it's my honor to be your
engagement representative. I just wanted

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to reach out. I did bring some folders.
Would it be okay if I asked you to hand

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them down?
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» Inside that folder, there's a QR code.
If you were to scan it, it would take

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you to our public education and outreach
page. You can find all kinds of

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materials on there, water resources
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Um you're also going to find a business
card with my contact information. On the

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back of that, I've written my personal
cell phone number. If you ever need

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anything or you have questions, I've
been with Commissioner Nash for about 13

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years now. So, if I don't know the
answer to your question, I know who

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does. I will find it. I'd be very happy
to. I'd love to be invited to any kind

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of community resource fair or an event
where I could connect with the residents

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and help them better understand the
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Um the last thing I'll point out is we
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emergency relief fund, which is
different than the water residential

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assistance program that people are
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It's not as income restricted. It's more
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ever have a hard time paying their water
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a fire or a car accident, we would love
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funds, to help keep them current and
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Um so, I did see the utility rates
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I'm going to hang out and see if I can
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otherwise, I thank you for your time.
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» Um regarding that emergency service at
like So, would a hypothetical example be

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if somebody's like, I don't know, uh
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water bill that they weren't expecting
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» Uh both the WRAP program, the one I
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funding for um plumbing services. So, if
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uh they do both. One is uh like 200%
above the poverty level, which is kind

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of an antiquated poverty level, in my
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is less restricted by that. So, if you
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or the plumbing, it might not apply to
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you couldn't that year, even if your
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you had some kind of life event, then
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» Got it. Got it. Okay, good to know.
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the income numbers on here?
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authority to work with United Way, the
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adjust that. So, if your income is above
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you've had a fire or a job loss,
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going to work with you.
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Um Liz and Jim Flieger
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the other day.
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>> Could you give your address, please?

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to ask any questions you wanted to ask.
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you'd rather ask questions afterwards.
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what we're looking for.
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» So, Kirsten, I don't know if you've seen
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we are looking for a change in the

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ordinances that the city has. Pleasant
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around us don't have that same
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it's written now, Jim has told us that
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do wildlife rehabilitation, specifically
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um squirrels, possums, chipmunks,
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animals. You know, their their
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uh cuz people are opening their garages
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don't want that raccoon in my attic or
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there's babies that are there also. And
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frequently get called. We
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Possum, which is based out of Ferndale.
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we're right now at the max for baby
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» Mhm.
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those crunches for us.
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» Just so you know.
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we are not an intake.
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» We are not looking to bring animals into
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like that. We are a very very small
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question about their health, it goes to
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okayed.
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» Once they are triaged,
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temporary housing foster care.
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» And we are trying to get certified for
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we can have. We mostly do
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July. Once in a while, we might have
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We have an indoor cage. We have an
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4 ft by 8 ft by 8 ft.
I think the important thing There's a

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couple things I'd like you to
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something from you is the only thing
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everything. Said you're good to go
except for this ordinance.

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» Mhm.
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to us if we even just got a letter from
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And and if you could do that
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orphan
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since they were week and a half 2 weeks
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» Mhm.
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even for just this summer
they will fail our inspection and we

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lose our animals.
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everything is health checked before we

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get it. It's a very small amount of
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We have signatures from all our
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Um I you know, if you could give us
something for this year so I could

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continue with the four babies we've had
for 6 weeks, I would appreciate it. If

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not, we're going to have to give them
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» Mhm.
>> And that would be heartbreaking to me.

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» Mhm.
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and we would be more than happy to work
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done to move forward to get something
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» Mhm.
>> So, do you have any questions for me?

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>> Does anyone Does anyone have questions

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sounds like you've been doing this for a
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what changed? Did DNR change its rules?
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had no idea that it was a problem here.
>> Mhm.

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» And um Motor City Possum has grown.
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» And so we needed more volunteers. So one
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» Mhm.
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to the other licensed woman that works
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» In order to do that, Cindy had to
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um thing for me and since they put a new
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What's the word I'm looking for?
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needed.
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outside cage. To outs- to get the
certification small mammals instead of

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bottle fed,
they have to come out and inspect.

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» Mhm.
Okay. So that was the change from bottle

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to Okay. Thank you.
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if I'm wrong, it sounds as though the
service has become um

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more in demand as well. So you've hit a
capacity limit in other places.

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» Right.
>> Yeah. There's just unfortunately way too

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many cars for the
>> wildlife around here.

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» And too many dumb people that don't know
how to humanely evict. Our our The four

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that we have right now are four females.
Like I said, we've had them since

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they're 2-weeks-old, eyes closed, ears
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And um they were in a garage. The
gentleman didn't want them in her his

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garage. So he chased the mom out.
He then took went out and bought a live

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trap.
Put the four babies in the live trap

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without a blanket, without heat, without
anything trying to get the mom to go in

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and get them.
>> Mhm.

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» And um
put them out in 30° weather.

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» Mhm.
>> So when Cindy got them, they were half

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frozen.
>> Mhm.

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» Uh they were She didn't think they'd
live. They were in an incubator for

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about 3 hours before they showed any
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» Mhm.
>> And we've been nursing them ever since.

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So as I say, it would be
really tough if we don't get something

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they will have to find another home for

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them.
>> Somewhere. Mhm.

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» So.
Thank you for your time. Uh do you have

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any other questions?
>> Sure.

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» Yeah.
>> How long do you keep these animals?

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» So, they
>> Can I do this?

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» Yeah.
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they can only be kept as long as it
takes to get them to a releasable

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condition. So, that might be hey
they got hit by a car or something. It's

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skin heals and in 2 days you can say
they're good to go. They can go. The

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babies typically, the bigger babies, the
raccoons are probably the biggest ones,

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they usually take about 3 months to go
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feeding them with a syringe this big, um
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they're big enough and exposed enough to
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noises so that we can then let them go.
They don't get released here.

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» Nothing's released.
>> In In the city, everything goes up

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toward northern Oakland County cuz
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bigger plots of land that are available.
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let us do that and they also,
fortunately, uh frequently feed during

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that first winter so that
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» Yeah.
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formula, banana.
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they'll go out to the outdoor cage. And
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the purpose of the outdoor cage is so
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used to um the weather changes. They
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hear rain.
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backyard they'll have exposure to other
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elevated, food does not get out. There's
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They're litter trained, so we clean out
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a garbage can that can't get get into by
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so food's not falling through.
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That's That's it. Anything else?
>> And if anybody would like to come in and

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take a look, you're more than welcome.
Thank you.

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» Um would anybody like to ask for Jim to
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like to proceed on this?
>> Uh so, for everyone's benefit, um

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uh we wrote back to them in email form
uh that there's a process to changing an

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ordinance. It's usually not fast.
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two, three, four months uh because uh
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our city manager to do some homework
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we may or may not uh draft an ordinance

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revision based on the
on the findings that we have. The

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findings may actually tell us not to do
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a public hearing so that everyone would
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topic and then make a decision. But that
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typically it it's usually three months
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So, um so that's about the amount of
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everyone raised their hand and said we
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step is agreeing that we wanted to Would
you like to direct?

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Anybody?
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I can take
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And I guess like before I make a
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like is changing it the correct course
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the attorney. Like that that might be a
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um instead of creating an
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revamping the ordinance,
uh categorizing what they're doing is

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I don't know, like
temporary or re- like it's like a

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3-month period like
It like like the the thing says you

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can't own, harbor, keep, maintain, sell,
or transfer.

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I I I could see this kind of fitting
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» It's the wild animal part that is the
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um
I yes, we could give it to our attorney,

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but I think based on the other pieces of
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are defined, it is a these most of what
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suppose some could be not wild, but
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not bringing in something that we don't
have diseases.

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» They're the types of animals we have in
our backyards anyways.

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» But that's that's a part of what you
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ordinances how to describe a wild animal
that's been health checked or meets DNR

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standards or what have you.
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how are other people feeling?
>> Seems there's no other option other than

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amending the ordinance. There's no
>> If we wanted to go that way. I mean, I I

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know so in our history, I think the last
time this section would was updated was

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in 2017. I remember someone coming. I'm
remembering

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» Pot-bellied pigs?
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Or maybe that I'm maybe that was an
outcome of the ordinance.

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» Ducks are private, but there was a
another issue with the Yeah.

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» Yeah.
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our police had no enforcement tools
because there was there were no um

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specific
languages language around it. And Jim

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worked hard with a couple
>> Yeah, we had an exotic pet

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» expert
>> Yeah, oh I remember that now, yeah.

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» Mark?
>> Yeah, yeah, we worked with him quite a

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bit to make sure that this
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» Mhm.
>> And I I guess, you know,

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splitting hairs, it does say pets.
>> One of them does. 10.2 says pets.

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» We're literally
>> I understand.

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» Yeah.
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where I'm torn is number one, what I
think you're doing is amazing and there

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is certainly a need. And so
and you know, any rescue, but certainly

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what you're doing is amazing. So I don't
want to take the, you know, that is

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important, but my concern in all of this
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how are we able to
amend the ordinance without kind of

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opening up
the bigger issue of other people for

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other reasons
>> Right.

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» bringing in wild animals. So is there a
way to do this that allows

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» That's one of the things that we're
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rehabbers. Or in order for rehabbers to
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We would be state certified.
>> Yeah. So the DNR does not allow for most

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exotic pets, wild animals to be kept to
be kept already. It's against the law.

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So from a state perspective, so what
we're looking at is specifically for

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Pleasant Ridge to say the ordinance that
says you can't keep wild animals does

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not apply to DNR certified people doing
rehabilitation.

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So it's not like I could just go out and
say, "Hey, I'd like to own a possum."

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And we get that. People say, "Hey, make
a great pet." No, they make a terrible

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pet. But that's what we're looking for
is say, "Hey, if you are DNR certified

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or DNR certified, which means you've
done the inspection, you've done the

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training, and they've signed off on you
to be able to do this kind of thing,

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then you could do it here in Pleasant
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Assuming you lived in Pleasant Ridge.
>> Mhm.

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» I'm not sure how many other people are
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might be one or two.
>> We have no interest in getting any

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bigger. We do this pretty much April
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» Yeah.
>> And the concern, I think, is for me

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personally at this moment, it's less
about what you're doing, but more again

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about what it
and what it opens up.

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» And just so you know, I was born and
raised here.

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» Mhm.
>> When I grew up, there was a woman on Elm

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Park named, I believe, Mrs. Babcock. I
could ask my brother.

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» Mhm.
>> But she did

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rescue. That's I mean, that's probably
what got me turned on to it a hundred

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years ago.
>> Mhm.

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» Um and you just whenever you You heard
You heard of her?

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» I have. I don't I don't know why where I
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is known
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it there. So, you know, I
I moved back to Pleasant Ridge because I

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love Pleasant Ridge. I don't I
understand the reason for ordinances and

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that type of thing.
So, I I have no problem working with you

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to get something in place if you need
somebody to work with.

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Um my Like I said, my concern
I would like to get that in place if

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possible.
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my concern is also for the four babies I
have right now. So.

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» I understand.

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Would anyone like to move forward with
uh just doing some more homework on

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this? We're not ready for an ordinance
or anything, but

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» I support further research.

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» Yeah, I mean, I think on my side I would
like to learn more personally, too. I

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don't know if I have specific direction
at this moment. If someone else does,

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but
you know, I I'm

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I'm certainly interested in learning
more.

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» Maybe to answer the question, um to do
the research on understanding what other

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communities are doing and um
if it's possible to carve out this DNR

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piece from everything else to answer
your question.

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» Mhm.
>> And and then we can bring that back

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and see if it makes sense or not. Is
that a reasonable course of action, Jim,

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do you think?
>> Yeah, I've got some notes and some

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questions I want to answer.
>> Okay. Do you need us to vote on that or

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is that enough?
>> That's enough.

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» Okay. Thank you very much.
>> All right. Thank you.

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» want to again, I just want to give a
realistic expectation that unfortunately

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this season, I don't know that we'll be
done by July

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because we're already we're already in
May. So there's only two more just so

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that you know, I want to give you that.
>> You know, what latitude do you have with

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the DNR to say there you've come to us
and we're entertaining

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» I mean, basically the DNR's position is
we're fine doing what we're doing as

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long as the city doesn't have a problem
with it. I mean, the city is a city

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ordinance. It's you go next door to
Ferndale, they don't have this

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ordinance. So there's no problem doing
it, you know, a mile down the road. So

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it's it's really it's just they're doing
their due diligence to say, "Hey,

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you're a subdivision of the state and
they're not in a position of

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violating
your ordinances for their purposes. So

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they're really just saying, "Hey, if you
say it's okay, they're good with what

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we're doing already."
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this issue, I guess maybe would be is if
you said, "Hey,

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Liz and Jim, you know, you've got 90
days to take care of this issue."

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» Yeah, I mean, even if we had a letter
that said that, that would allow us to

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finish out these babies and then we
would guarantee we wouldn't take anybody

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else.
>> Until

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» until we get this set.
>> Got it.

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» Um but they just needed a letter
from you saying that we can continue

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with these babies till the release. We
go away in July and we always have them

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gone and released before then.
So.

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» All right. Thank you.
>> Well, thank you very much.

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Likewise, I appreciate what you're
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» The DNR will not hold our permit until
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» Right.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for coming

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tonight.
>> Would you like us to hang out longer?

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» Do any
want to just get back later or tonight

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or
>> I don't think I'll have any personally

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more questions at this point for you.
So, whatever. I think I'm okay.

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» Thank you.
>> We don't have any sub properties to be

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dealing with, so.
>> You're not You're not building an

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accessory dwelling unit for them.
>> I appreciate it very much. Thank you

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very much for your time and your
consideration. And again, if you

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I the phone number's on our thing. If
you're more than welcome to come meet

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the babies, to come take a look at the
cages, just shoot us a call or a phone

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call you know, or text ahead of time. Um
>> If you're if they're in the middle of

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the mush eating, you're not going to
want to hold them.

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» You may have to bathe them and then it's
on you.

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Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

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All right. Are there any other Please.
>> I'll be quick.

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» Okay. No worries.
>> Uh good evening. My name is Chris

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Gilmer-Hill. I'm a candidate for our
state house seat.

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If you live in Pleasant Ridge and if you
vote in Democratic primaries, you

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probably gotten a flyer on your door
from me already.

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So, I'm here to let folks know two
things. So, number one, today is almost

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the last day to sign the Michigan Money
Out Politics petition. They're hoping to

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wrap up volunteer signature collection
by tomorrow. So, I I know a lot of folks

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here have already heard about it and
have signed. For anyone who hasn't, this

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is a citizen initiated petition that's
hoping to prohibit certain companies, so

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specifically the
electric and gas utilities, so DTE and

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Consumers, or any company with more than
a quarter million dollars state

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contract, which include Blue Cross Blue
Shield, Comcast, etc. Uh they would be

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prohibited from spending in our state
elections in a variety of ways,

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including contributions to candidates.
Uh right now, the overwhelming majority

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of state legislators take money from DTE
and from these other corporations, and

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it's really one of the biggest obstacles
to passing legislation that would really

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help folks. You know, I I work full-time
in environmental policy, and when we

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look at, you know, why don't we have
more restrictions on the rate hikes? Why

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don't we have community solar in
Michigan? All these good things. Uh the

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answer is just because DTE money has so
much influence, and this would really

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give us a tool to, you know, say we
don't want that in our state. So, if

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you're at all interested in that, uh
I'll be hanging out in the back until

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about 8:30. Uh for anyone who hasn't
been able to sign yet, uh I have a here.

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I'd be more than happy to talk through
it, answer any questions. Uh the second

432
00:27:54,240 --> 00:28:02,120
thing, uh so former Commissioner Jason
Krizan and I will be having a meet and

433
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:06,200
greet. It'll be May 23rd at 4:30. So,
it'll be that Saturday, just down at

434
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,120
Gainsboro Park by the railroad.
Uh it won't be as, you know,

435
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,840
specifically focused as the last one.
It's not going to be just a DTE town

436
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:17,560
hall. Uh we will want to make sure to
talk about some transit issues and some

437
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:22,120
state level issues affecting the train
crossing. Uh so, in particular, there's

438
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:26,640
a state law on the books that caps how
much municipalities are allowed to fine

439
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,920
railroads for obstructing streets. It's
not the only barrier to fixing the issue

440
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:35,040
with companies just sort of using
Ferndale and Pleasant Ridge as a

441
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:38,760
railyard, but it is one of the barriers,
and if we can fix that, along with some

442
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,600
federal level tweaks,
you know, we could really hold some of

443
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,160
these companies accountable, prevent
them from just blocking Hilton ad

444
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,320
infinitum. Uh but there's, you know, a a
more to talk about there, and then any

445
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,000
other policies that folks want to talk
about, you know, really it's uh meet and

446
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:56,080
greet to hear what folks want to talk
about, to hear folks' issues, and to

447
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,240
talk about policy. So, I hope to see
folks there, and we'll be making sure to

448
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:03,160
get that info out. Thank you.
>> Remind me the time?

449
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:06,000
» Uh it's uh 4:30 on May 23rd at Gainsboro
Park.

450
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:09,080
» Excellent.
>> All right. Well, thank you.

451
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,000
» Thank you.
>> Any other

452
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,280
Wow.
>> Yeah, I know.

453
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:19,040
» Jake Covert, 18 Fairwood.
>> Um speaking of um commercial districts

454
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:23,800
and residential districts, um I've had a
few Amazon drones um conducting business

455
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,880
transactions over my house, in my
property.

456
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,080
» Mhm.
>> Um they've they're actually literally

457
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,400
conducting their transactions in my
backyard.

458
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:38,560
Do we allow that? Do we regulate it?
What's our rules on this? And I don't

459
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:43,640
like it. Um so, we allow their trucks on
our business roads.

460
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,520
Can we keep them over the roads, so
they're not over the backyards?

461
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,240
» Mhm.
>> So.

462
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:54,920
» So, uh the way drones work as a general
rule is that because they're not landing

463
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:58,800
in Pleasant Ridge, it is an FAA
regulatory

464
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,880
situation, rather than a local
regulatory. And the only exception

465
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:05,120
» to restrict them, though. As a city, we
do.

466
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,600
» The exception is uh Hazel Park, where
they land.

467
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,960
» Okay.
>> So, um I've been speaking with them

468
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:16,000
about this topic. First, to understand
which homes are actually eligible to

469
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,640
receive packages in Pleasant Ridge. I
don't actually need to know the

470
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,240
addresses, but I'm curious on the
quantity.

471
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:26,680
And uh because there's a they do an
aerial view shot of of um

472
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:31,120
the entire city,
uh summer, winter, fall, spring, to see

473
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:35,760
foliage, and determine which homes they
can reliably drop a package to.

474
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:40,600
» they're able to, not that we're allowing
them to? I mean

475
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:43,560
» Um any any aerial shot is possible. So,
>> So, wherever they can land, they're

476
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,160
allowed to. We don't have the ability to
restrict them in any way.

477
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,960
» Because they're not landing.
So

478
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,920
» That's not really that means we need to
put laws in that that do that. That just

479
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,840
means that we don't have the tools at
hand, right?

480
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:59,600
» So all that I'm suggesting to you
tonight is that uh

481
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:05,280
the local uh local authorities cannot uh
restrict airspace.

482
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:10,960
So a drone is flying in airspace and uh
Amazon uses that to their advantage to

483
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:14,720
make the service available. So Um on the
other hand, if a drone happened to land

484
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,800
here, I think I told uh Commissioner
Schmear, I'm putting it on eBay. I'm not

485
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,200
giving it back. I'm going to
>> I mean, how much of the space above my

486
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,400
backyard do I own?
>> it I think uh 12 ft and higher I think

487
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,760
is the rule, uh but I could be wrong. I
have to I'll verify that just I don't

488
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,160
want to give the wrong number. But I'm
in conversation with them because I want

489
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,200
to understand this better.
>> It's a quality of life issue, you know,

490
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,040
it really is.
>> If I If I may, I think they want to be a

491
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:43,240
good
uh community partner, but uh they also

492
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:47,760
want $9.99 for 1-hour shipping.
So um part of it is that there is a

493
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:52,120
demand for the service. I did not think
people would actually pay $9.99 to get

494
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,760
something in an hour, but
>> Yeah.

495
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:59,640
» they seem to. And there are certain um
uh types of products where it actually

496
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,320
does make sense. Let's say you're sick
and you want to receive NyQuil, it's

497
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,720
better for that to arrive at your house
from the air than for you to go to CVS

498
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,040
or to have someone
>> certain neighborhoods as residential for

499
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,320
a reason. Like I'd like to keep the
commerce in the commercial section.

500
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:17,120
That's all.
>> I totally understand. So I'm following

501
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,440
up on it um and I'll report back on it
as we go further.

502
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,480
» Okay.
>> Thank you, though.

503
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,560
» Thank you.
>> And I may I just add one thing? I've

504
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,040
obviously as people are outside more,
I'm hearing this from other people cuz

505
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,800
we are now seeing the drones. And uh
there is an email address that we had

506
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,200
when they were doing their initial
presentations. There were two email

507
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,800
addresses, one for the FA FAA and
another one that I've actually been

508
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:43,720
passing out to people and I can share
that. Um because I think having people

509
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,880
write the emails to Amazon specifically,
you know, whatever your concerns are,

510
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:50,520
whether it be noise or Whatever it is.
>> I didn't realize we don't have the

511
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,320
ability to regulate certain things
though.

512
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,640
» They are dropping They are dropping them
from the air, so they are not landing.

513
00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:00,320
Um but I think
>> Which is a hazard onto itself, but yeah.

514
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,560
» But yeah, so I can pass that information
along because I do think for anyone

515
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,560
listening to that has concerns, has
questions, to reach out directly to

516
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,120
them. Um
>> And I I will say thank you for

517
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,920
mentioning that.
They want this feedback because while

518
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:17,880
this service is available, it is a brand
new service for them. They're really in

519
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:22,720
a sort of a pilot mode, no pun intended.
Pilotless pilot mode. Um

520
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,440
but they want that feedback because they
want to tune in their service. Maybe

521
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:31,960
they're doing something weird. Uh they
adjust their service by because of

522
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:35,280
weather and other issues, so this could
be something that they have to consider.

523
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,920
Like they don't always Maybe they don't
always want the drone to fly down the

524
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:43,440
center of a road because it becomes more
obvious. I don't know. Uh give them that

525
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,440
feedback. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

526
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,920
» Yeah.
Any Any others? Wow.

527
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,520
Lots of items that were not on the
agenda. I have to remember where we are.

528
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,920
Uh liaison reports, Commissioner Buz
Nick.

529
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,760
» Budnick.
>> I didn't have I had drones on my I had

530
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,920
drones on my mind, so it became Buz
Nick.

531
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,600
» That was a reference. Something else?

532
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:11,919
» Yeah, exactly.

533
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,200
» All right.
Well, thank you, Mayor. Let's get into

534
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,919
our
May and June rec happenings.

535
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,040
And for all the mothers out there, happy
Mother's Day.

536
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Uh
in the absence of Mr. Zachary, we'll

537
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,480
start off with learning American Sign
Language, the ASL meets every Wednesday,

538
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,560
and this is still going strong. So,
that's 9:00 to 10:00 a.m. at

539
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,120
the PR Community Center. So, go ahead
and practice and learn some American

540
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,879
Sign Language, and it's for really
anybody. So, children, adults, whoever

541
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:48,919
is interested. It's a free event, and
there's no formal instructor instructor.

542
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:52,480
I think we've all heard Ted talk about
the experience. So, come and have some

543
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,960
fun.
Pool tag renewal is this week, and I

544
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,880
know it doesn't feel that way walking
in.

545
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,080
But, it should be.
>> to Saturday. It'll feel better.

546
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,200
» There we go.
>> Hopefully.

547
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,760
» So, bring your old tags and picture ID,
and they'll get you renewed. And they're

548
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,800
preferring to do this all now, so it's
all out of the way. And of course,

549
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,920
uh Shawnee, Kai, and the team will get
you going. During season, it's just a

550
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,800
little easier not to get some of it out
of the way. So, if you're going to the

551
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:19,040
Rec Center, work out, or what have you,
go ahead and get those renewed.

552
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,640
And the pool actually opens a week from
this Friday.

553
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,000
» Isn't that crazy?
>> Yeah.

554
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,800
» What?
>> Yeah.

555
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,200
» Yeah, that's crazy.
>> It's really early this year, May the

556
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:31,080
22nd.
And as a reminder, no guest

557
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:35,280
guests are allowed on the first first
weekend, our opening weekend.

558
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:39,760
And then, Memorial Day ceremony is
Monday the 25th at 9:00 a.m., and that

559
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:45,120
is at Memorial Park.
Couple more events here. We have a 50

560
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:47,960
and up club day trip to the DAC.
So, a phenomenal place to tour. That's

561
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,320
tour and lunch, and that's on Thursday,
May the 28th from 10:00 a.m. to 2:30

562
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,560
p.m.
And then, the Pride Swim is Wednesday,

563
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,840
June the 10th, and that's from 8:00 to
10:00 p.m. at night. Always a popular

564
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,600
event.
And last but not least, the Sakura paper

565
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,720
truck will be coming. That's on the 21st
of June, and that's from 10:00 a.m. to

566
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,480
2:00 p.m., and that's of course at the
Community Center. And this is for PR

567
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,960
residents only.
>> That's the shredder truck?

568
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,960
» Yeah.

569
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,400
» And that's a
Sunday, did you say, or Saturday?

570
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:26,080
» Saturday.
>> Okay, great.

571
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,080
» Saturday, the 21st from 10:00 to 2:00.

572
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:32,440
» That's all I have here.
>> Thank you. Any questions for

573
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,440
Commissioner Bozeman?

574
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,240
That might stick.
>> It might stick.

575
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,120
» Yeah.
>> All right. Uh Commissioner Perry for the

576
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Arts Council.
>> Thank you. Um the Arts Council didn't

577
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:49,640
meet last month. Um but this month they
um will meet on Wednesday. Oops, shoot.

578
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:55,200
I just had the I just wrote the date
down and lost it. Um

579
00:36:52,760 --> 00:37:01,480
Hold on. It is
It'll be Wednesday, May 20th,

580
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:06,880
4:30 p.m. right here. Um also the at
some point soon um the uh the mural will

581
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:11,680
be starting down in Gainsborough Park.
You know, don't feed the the muralist.

582
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:17,120
Like leave the
They'll be focusing and and working on

583
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,240
the the mural and
they're very shy, so

584
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:25,000
um
we'll see it Yeah. So, but they'll be

585
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,520
there in in full display. So, it'll be
good.

586
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:30,640
» Cool.
>> But um the the

587
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:36,160
Arts Council will be meeting on
Wednesday the 20th of May. Thank you.

588
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:41,920
Thank you.
>> Any questions?

589
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:46,640
All right. Uh Ferndale Public Schools,
Mr. DeLaVergne.

590
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,200
» Hey, good evening everyone. Uh Mark
DeLaVergne, president school Ferndale

591
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,040
School Board of Trustees.
Uh

592
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:59,440
few things to note. Uh
May 29th is the June Fair. Uh reminder

593
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:05,000
to everybody, uh it is being held at
Ferndale Administration Building,

594
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:08,000
formerly Roosevelt, formerly Lower.
Again, we don't usually have activity

595
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:10,920
there. Uh we will have a lot of activity
that day.

596
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,520
Um so, just a reminder that uh it's a
great day. Uh we expect, you know, a

597
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,560
little more traffic,
>> a little bit noise.

598
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,480
Uh a lot of little kids running around
and getting lost from their parents and

599
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:23,280
screaming a little bit, so
uh all of that and just an amazing day.

600
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,760
So, looking forward to that.
Um

601
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:30,680
May 31st is graduation. Uh this year
we're doing something different. Uh

602
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:34,720
we're hosting all three graduations at
Wayne State University. So, it will be a

603
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:37,960
long day for myself and the other board
members, but it will be fantastic that

604
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:41,520
we can just do all three in the same day
and you know, Wayne State has a great

605
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:45,160
facility down downtown. So,
goes well. Hopefully, this will be a

606
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,800
tradition that we will continue to do
uh so that we can celebrate everybody uh

607
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:53,520
in the same way and the same really
really nice place.

608
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,520
Um

609
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:01,880
not excited about
um our budget. Uh we are probably

610
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:06,640
looking at another year where we do not
have a school budget uh until after

611
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,360
school starts.
You know, things came out from Senate

612
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,840
and House and Governor's office last few
weeks.

613
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,560
Um but it doesn't look great again. So,
uh we'll probably hopefully when I come

614
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,600
back in September after a few months
off, uh I will be smiling, but I'm

615
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:25,160
guessing I will be ranting a little bit
about sort of the the challenges that we

616
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,320
continue to have. Uh Dawn, who's a who's
our finance director, also a Pleasant

617
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,640
Ridge
uh resident, does an amazing job coming

618
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:35,240
out with the amount of alternatives that
we have to do with different uh options

619
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:39,280
on both the the foundation allowance,
but then also different programs and

620
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,560
grants that we we rely on. So,
um if you've run into somebody, uh

621
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,720
please let them know, you know, how
important it is to get a school budget

622
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,600
done before the school year.
Uh you know, the rest of the budget

623
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,960
unfortunately probably will take just as
long, but it's it's really hard for all

624
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:56,160
of our teams across
um

625
00:39:54,360 --> 00:40:00,760
Last year was uh Teacher's Appreciation
Week. Uh I think all schools we had PTOs

626
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:05,120
all came together and did a lot of
really great stuff for for the teachers.

627
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Wish we could celebrate them a lot more,
um but it's a thing that uh we we really

628
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,360
take that week to to celebrate all the
the great staff that we have here at

629
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,080
Ferndale.
Um

630
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:19,080
You'll be seeing a lot of construction
going on um Um, the high school. Uh

631
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,800
we're looking at the renovation of the
softball and baseball fields,

632
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:28,360
new scene shop building addition,
dressing room.

633
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,720
I did a quick walk-through last week.
It's pretty good.

634
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,120
It's going to look really nice,
particularly the performing arts stuff.

635
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:39,040
I'm just like the dressing room, the
makeup room, the set area.

636
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,480
It's pretty great. And the the softball
is looking good. I was telling

637
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,800
Commissioner last night that
you know, we're trying to get this

638
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:48,240
foundation up and running for new things
because cuz the softball and baseball

639
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,840
coaches are seeing how nice the turf and
the field are. It's all going to be on

640
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,720
the infield and they're like, "Well, why
can't we do the outfield now?" So,

641
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,600
trying to figure out how we can do that.
But it's you know, continuing to upgrade

642
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,680
facilities. We really appreciate
everybody trusting us and sort of making

643
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,240
this investment in our kids. And we're
really going to start to see it with a

644
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,200
lot of these facilities that mean so
many to so many kids.

645
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,800
Um, we'll talk about the millage.
Superintendent Hitler will be here next

646
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,160
month
and sort of walk through the the

647
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,440
millage.
Um, one thing I will say that's on the

648
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,880
the notes is
we're seeing a lot more biking to

649
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,640
school, which is fantastic.
>> That's awesome.

650
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:26,720
» We despite
Clawson getting out in the press saying

651
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:31,520
that they have we have the first bike
bus with our elementary. We have parents

652
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:35,640
that dedicate and get kids and bike to
lower and upper. Uh, we have you know,

653
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,240
so much activity going in the middle
school and the high school.

654
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:44,480
Unfortunately though, we've been having
some safety challenges. There was a

655
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:48,400
bad crash at
9-Mile and Pinecrest where a student got

656
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,720
really injured by a driver not paying
attention.

657
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,440
Lots of different close calls at Curry
Park. So,

658
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,680
it's great that we have all these kids
out there and biking.

659
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,240
Particularly with a lot of our pick up
drop off being challenging at the at the

660
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,320
high school and the middle school. But
please, you know, when you're out there,

661
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,040
particularly in the morning and in the
afternoon, you know,

662
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:11,760
we've got kids biking everywhere now.
And please watch out for them. And you

663
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,280
know, there's no reason to speed through
the light or be on your phone

664
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,480
particularly in these areas. So, please
please please be uh

665
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,600
You should be careful driving all the
time, but particularly uh around our

666
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:26,120
schools uh where we've got our kids on
their bikes. So, thanks. Uh any

667
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:29,160
questions?
>> Google pickles?

668
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:35,960
How did they do?
>> Uh they did amazing.

669
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:40,360
Uh they got to the like next to next
There's like basically they got to the

670
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:44,960
final day and then there's like 10
rounds before the finals and they got to

671
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:49,360
the next to last round before the last
finals. So, just just amazing. Uh we

672
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,560
celebrated all the robotics teams this
week, but again, just just seeing, you

673
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,720
know, how this group has just like
gotten better better and now they're at

674
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,360
the edge of the the finals is really
really exciting. So, again, appreciate

675
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:05,160
everybody's support uh for those kids. I
think it's going to continue to build a

676
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,360
culture of robotics here and the fact
that, you know, we've got kids in the

677
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,400
national finals every single year is
amazing.

678
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Yep.
>> Yes. And quick one on uh the foundation.

679
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,160
Uh I don't know if you've shared the
survey link.

680
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:20,000
» Yes, we shared the survey. So, thank
you. Yes, so uh we had a great meeting

681
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,000
Commissioner Lenko. I appreciate you
coming last night. Shared shared the

682
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,720
survey link with with all of you. We'll
have a post up this week if you all can

683
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,360
share that as well. We're just going to
get the word out. We had a great

684
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,480
uh great participation last night.
Really interested and can really see the

685
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,040
community going to come together and be
able to rebuild this this foundation

686
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,640
that was a such a strong part of this
community for so long.

687
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,800
» With budget woes and everything like
that. Like the

688
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,160
» Yes.
>> getting the attention and

689
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,440
» Yep.
>> the generosity of the neighborhood.

690
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,280
» Yep. A lot of a lot of really great
ideas and a lot of people uh with great

691
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,920
experience that are going to so, but
room for everybody.

692
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,080
» Great. Awesome.
>> Excellent.

693
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,560
» All right, thank you all. Appreciate it.
>> doing.

694
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:03,520
» Commissioner Lenko.
>> Mr. Mayor, uh Planning Commission and

695
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:09,400
DDA met uh was it April 27th? Our next
meeting will be July 27th in these

696
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:13,720
chambers at 7:00. Uh there's a lot on
the plate last time and I mean evidence

697
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,240
by the rest of our agenda. We're
>> Yeah, most of it's here.

698
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,600
» Right.
>> Uh

699
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,760
so as far as the write-up and the
summary and the yada yada, uh Jim's done

700
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:26,120
a great job. Thank you, Jim and Kirsten,
like putting together the summaries on

701
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:30,720
each ordinance and uh
yeah, so short-term rental regulations,

702
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:34,640
the omnibus regulations,
ADU regs, and then Cambridge Woodward is

703
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:39,640
uh
it's kind of moving, so at least the

704
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,760
site plan was was approved, so
>> stuff.

705
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,280
And for the folks here, thanks for
joining.

706
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,960
The AP government that
yeah,

707
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:54,280
super cool to see you guys here and
taking an interest in local government.

708
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:57,520
Um yeah, it's a lot of
a lot of collaboration and you know,

709
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,760
working with what's on the rules and
what needs to take place, but uh

710
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,600
yeah, uh
normally planning commission DDA

711
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:09,040
meetings are not sleepers, but there's
not usually like six things going on.

712
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:12,840
And our city commission packet isn't
usually full of planning commission

713
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:16,760
items, so I'm especially proud. So the
group did an awesome job. Do you have

714
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:20,320
any questions on any of the particular
regs or ordinances?

715
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,800
» No, I think we'll get to them.
>> Beautiful. Well,

716
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,720
yeah, I guess in the interest of time,
let's tackle them as they're presented

717
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:32,440
on the agenda. But
I'd encourage people to come July 27th

718
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:36,160
if you're interested and
yeah, we'll get to the uh

719
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:40,640
all of our stuff in a minute. Thanks.
>> Awesome, thank you.

720
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,160
And last but not least, historical
commission, Commissioner Shumer.

721
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:48,200
» Thank you, Mayor. Uh
the historical museum will be open this

722
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:53,080
Saturday, the 16th. It's the 16th this
Saturday, right? Yes, the 16th from

723
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:57,000
10:00 until 12:00. So come to you know,
stop by the historical museum. As

724
00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:02,080
always, check out your folder, bring
pictures for the folder. They are also

725
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:05,320
now trying to get um you come in or at
home writing a letter to future

726
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,840
homeowners that can be put into your
file so that future people can read it.

727
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,040
» That's cool.
>> Yeah, it is. It's very cool idea. I

728
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,640
mean, it's cool a cool idea too if you
go to your folder and in the future find

729
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,880
this letter.
So, um

730
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:24,120
also 100-year tiles, if your house is
100, whether it turned 100 this year or

731
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:27,960
in the past,
come by a tile. You can buy one here,

732
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:32,480
you can buy it at the historical museum,
and I just picked up a box of like 100

733
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,680
new tiles. So, we have plenty.
So,

734
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,440
that's all I got.
>> Thank you.

735
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:41,800
» Thank you.
>> Um we'll move on to governmental

736
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,800
reports.

737
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,720
» Good evening, everyone.
>> Good evening, Chief.

738
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:52,480
» Uh
before I get started here, I just want

739
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:56,200
to say that uh the fair coming up uh the
June fair in May.

740
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,800
Um I love it. I miss it. I miss the
kids. Um a lot of the officers miss the

741
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:04,160
kids being at Roosevelt. So, I have two
officers scheduled for that night that

742
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,120
we do our walk around.
Um

743
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:12,080
right before or right after I was
appointed Chief, someone came in the

744
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,640
parking lot and they were talking to me
and they said, you know, "Oh, we're so

745
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,440
happy that you became Chief." I said,
"Oh, thank you very much." And she said,

746
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,440
"Do you remember when you lost when you
found my lost child?"

747
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,200
I said,
"I don't."

748
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:29,560
And she said it was the
it would have been the June fair of

749
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:32,800
2001. So, I was a cop that had been a
cop for about a week.

750
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:37,720
» Jeez.
>> Apparently, I found her child and uh I

751
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,360
although I don't remember it, um it just
makes me feel old because that child is

752
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:45,680
now married.
Um but our officers will be there. Uh we

753
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,000
love love being there and seeing the
kids and hanging out. So,

754
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,000
» Thank you. Appreciate it.
>> Thanks for doing that there again rather

755
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,520
than switching it over to the other
school.

756
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:58,280
» Yeah, no one's ever moving, so.
>> Yeah, we appreciate it.

757
00:47:54,600 --> 00:48:01,960
Uh on to Pleasant Ridge stuff. Um
so, usually I say we're winning the war

758
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:06,840
on crime.
If anyone saw Facebook this month, we

759
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,880
did have some people that did not lock
their car doors.

760
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,720
And they got some stuff taken out of
their cars.

761
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:16,360
It was not an isolated incident just to
Pleasant Ridge. We checked with all of

762
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,800
our law enforcement partners and it's
been happening in a lot of places. We

763
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:24,320
usually tell you as soon as the the
weather starts to break a little bit, we

764
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:28,880
have this happen. We did have one
vehicle that was stolen.

765
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,480
Keys were with it. Don't leave your keys
in the car.

766
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:38,800
Lieutenant Tyler talked to some more of
our law enforcement partners and went

767
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,480
and scoured a certain area of
the city of Detroit and found her

768
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,520
vehicle.
So, we recovered that vehicle, brought

769
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:49,200
it back to her. She was very very happy
about that.

770
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:51,840
Lock the vehicles.
Um

771
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:55,320
» It's worth mentioning that if
quite often an insurance company will

772
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:59,760
not consider the car stolen if you left
your keys in the car.

773
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:03,960
So, it's not only a lost car, but
there's no no claim. So, something to

774
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,040
think about.
>> Um

775
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,960
Couple other things. Lieutenant Tyler
and I went to the Great Lakes Homeland

776
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,360
Security Conference.
Participated in a bunch of different

777
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:19,600
classes there. One of the ones that I
was especially interested in was the

778
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:22,080
elder fraud. They had FBI agents going
through a bunch of different things,

779
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:26,240
explaining a bunch of things. I don't
know if you remember when I talked about

780
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:31,240
pig butchering a couple years ago.
Not the literal sense.

781
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:36,560
The average lost on average loss on pig
butchering incident is $150,000 from the

782
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:40,200
person. They just keep taking and taking
and taking until there's nothing left.

783
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:44,200
Um
Couple key takeaways

784
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:48,440
that I mean it shouldn't have to be
said, but I just want to tell you. If

785
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:52,960
anyone asks you to go get anything from
a Bitcoin machine, call us. It's a scam.

786
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,200
Something's going on.
Uh if anyone tells you you need gold

787
00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:00,640
bars because the government is moving
your money from one place to another,

788
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:05,240
come talk to us. Um let us help you with
that. Uh the FBI agent said one thing

789
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:10,560
that kind of made me laugh. She said uh
the she's been trying to fight against

790
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:16,120
the bit uh Bitcoin ATMs. And I don't
know that this is an accurate statistic,

791
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:20,160
but she said 98% of it is elder fraud
and the other 2% are drug dealers. So.

792
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:24,120
Um
stay away from those. If anyone calls

793
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,800
you wanting to have you transfer money,
do just call us. Call us before you do

794
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:32,400
anything.
Last thing uh with the break in the

795
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:37,400
weather, we've got scooter problems.
The uh electric scooters

796
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:43,200
you can ride them on the streets.
They have the same as

797
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:45,800
uh responsibilities as a car, a bike.
You have to abide by the traffic laws.

798
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:50,280
You need to stay to the side of the
road. Um you can do that. However, if

799
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,520
you are on the sidewalk because there
are some places

800
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:57,360
the police department preferably would
like to see you on the sidewalk on Ridge

801
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,800
because Ridge is a little bit crazier
now with the construction. But you have

802
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:04,000
to yield to pedestrians at all times on
sidewalks. So, just a a note for

803
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:06,760
everyone.
If your kids are out on the sidewalks,

804
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,200
make sure that they know they have to
move over to the side. Let the

805
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:15,120
pedestrians through. Um but we are
seeing some more of those. In fact, um

806
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:18,640
Officer Brokey impounded, I believe it
was a moped that was going through

807
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:21,960
Gainesville the other day. Uh driving
recklessly. So.

808
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:26,880
If you have the kids with the mopeds,
the electric bikes, the

809
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:30,600
electric scooters
let them know

810
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:36,040
drive responsibly and uh won't have any
problems. So.

811
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:39,440
Um and oh, last thing uh
just because you post something on

812
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:44,120
Facebook does not mean that you have
reported it to the police department.

813
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:47,680
So, please, if you have anything that
you need the police department to know,

814
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,840
if you see someone suspicious, if you
had uh if you were a victim of a crime,

815
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,360
if you whatever it may be, call us
directly.

816
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:58,600
Don't post it on Facebook and think that
we're going to see it because we do not

817
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:01,960
patrol Facebook. So.
Other than that, I'm here for any

818
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:04,880
questions you may have.
>> Any questions?

819
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:09,280
» No questions.
>> Thank you very much.

820
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,280
» Thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

821
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,440
» All right. Uh

822
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,040
Oh, I'll wait for the

823
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,360
Are we good? Okay. Um

824
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,560
Uh consent agenda.
Uh just to

825
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:31,560
bring some attention to a couple of the
things in our consent agenda this month.

826
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:35,360
Uh we have one for gun violence
awareness day.

827
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:40,320
Um and then also there's one to
celebrate Jewish American heritage

828
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:45,040
month. Uh so I would encourage people to
just read the packets on those. Uh but I

829
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,560
think we'll go ahead and take a vote.
>> A motion?

830
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,560
» Or a motion. Motion before a vote.
>> Mayor, I move the consent agenda to be

831
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:56,160
approved.
>> Second.

832
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,160
» All right. Uh may we have a vote?

833
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,440
» Commissioner Schmier?
>> Yes.

834
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,880
» Commissioner Perry?
>> Yes.

835
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,160
» Commissioner Budner?
>> Yes.

836
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,360
» Mayor Scott?
>> Yes.

837
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:13,760
5 to 0.
Who? Okay.

838
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,760
Uh the motion carries.

839
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:20,600
Uh we'll move on to utility rates.
>> Okay.

840
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,600
» Thank you.

841
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:28,240
» Fiscal year '27.
Uh these are the proposed utility rates

842
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:31,080
for adoption by resolution tonight. Uh
this is the first step in our budget

843
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,400
process.
Um all of these things are adopted by

844
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:38,960
resolution of the city commission. So
the proposed uh rate structure this year

845
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:43,120
is a $53.36
ready to serve charge per bill,

846
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:47,600
combined water and sewer usage rate of
$95.90,

847
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:52,120
infrastructure charge of $0.93 per front
foot,

848
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:57,000
and a garbage pickup fee of $31.23 per
bill, and then the

849
00:53:53,960 --> 00:54:01,280
stormwater runoff fee of $63.37
per equivalent residential unit.

850
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:05,240
ERUs are a way of apportioning costs
based off runoff factors, and

851
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:09,400
10 years ago we did a study of the city
and it created districts. Uh

852
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,760
They're very similar. They're assessors
districts.

853
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,400
So, that's how ERUs are assigned to
properties.

854
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:24,520
Uh inputs.
The largest inputs in the

855
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,680
water rate structure are
capital improvements

856
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:32,760
for the water main projects and lead
service line replacement.

857
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:37,120
The items in yellow are our major
external inputs. Those are

858
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:41,320
outside entities
that we pay for stormwater treatment.

859
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:46,680
That's GWK, sewage treatment, which is
GLEEWA, water wholesale cost is

860
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:50,320
SAQUA, and WRC is our maintenance
partner for water and sewer maintenance

861
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:54,760
activities.
So, the percent increases you see

862
00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:00,200
overall,
the rate structure will result in about

863
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:03,760
a 3.7% increase for
for the average water customer in

864
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:09,240
Pleasant Ridge.
We are seeing very large percentage

865
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:15,680
increases from our outside entities. So,
GLEEWA had a cap on 4% for 10 years

866
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:18,760
after their creation. That ended. Um and
so now

867
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:23,200
GLEEWA is passing along large cost
increases.

868
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:27,680
Um GWK has been in the 5 to 7% cost
increase for the past few years. See,

869
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:32,240
water wholesale cost is 10.6%, and
that's because SAQUA, like the rest of

870
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:36,800
us, has um
50-70 year-old infrastructure at this

871
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:41,320
point. And their capital improvement
program needs more money to maintain the

872
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:45,320
SAWCUA system.
We benefit from SAWCUA quite a bit just

873
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:50,000
from combined purchasing power. They
have a lot of storage and they can

874
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:54,480
smooth out demand. They fill their tanks
at night and then empty them during the

875
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:59,360
day. So, it's an overall benefit, but
one of the things that we're contending

876
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:03,200
with right now is a $150,000 tank
inspection and painting bill. So,

877
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,360
they're
undergoing a capital improvement program

878
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:10,520
right now.
So, that's part of the increase we're

879
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:14,920
seeing there. And then WRC maintenance,
a lot of this is related directly to the

880
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:21,360
water main projects because we're using
WRC more than we normally would when we

881
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:25,440
have them out working to do shut-offs
and exercising valves and just

882
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:31,720
supporting our water main projects.
So, those those um

883
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:36,320
items in yellow normally account for
about 60% of our total water fund cost.

884
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:40,840
So, then you add on the capital
improvements as well. The items that are

885
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:45,240
not in yellow are locally controlled and
you'll see that we've worked to minimize

886
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:49,760
the cost percentage increases in those
items

887
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:52,400
to try to get to that 3.7% overall cost
increase.

888
00:56:53,480 --> 00:57:00,800
And here, this is how the breakdown. So,
when you take out the cost of our water

889
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:05,760
main projects, wholesale water and sewer
charges are 55% for supplying the water

890
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:10,520
and then treating treating it when it
goes away. Operations and maintenance is

891
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:16,200
another 20%, services, engineering,
utilities, insurance, that's about 12%.

892
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:20,400
GWK debt, that's our share for
constructing the GWK facility. Those

893
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:25,760
bonds is about 7% of our cost and then
the staff and uh

894
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,760
it's about 6%.

895
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:34,720
So, again, there's that 3.7% increase.
This may surprise you, but we're

896
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:40,400
actually below average for our water
costs for uh Saqua communities. This is

897
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:45,200
the Saqua rate survey.
Um, you'll see Pleasant Ridge, um,

898
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:51,000
they they translate everything into
quarterly bills. There are a number of

899
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:53,960
us that bill monthly or bi-monthly. Um,
so they translate everything into a

900
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:58,600
quarterly bill cuz that is still the
most common billing frequency for

901
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:05,000
communities. Um, the average cost for a
commu- uh resident is $706 for

902
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:09,640
a quarter and we're below that at $691
and that also includes our water

903
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:14,640
infrastructure millage cost, which is
above the utility rates.

904
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:18,800
So, you know, believe it or not, we are
below average in terms of our cost

905
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,800
structure.

906
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:29,880
Uh, water infrastructure funding, um,
largely funded by uh thirds. The millage

907
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:34,560
funds a third, the ready to serve charge
uh funds another third, and then the

908
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:40,120
front foot infrastructure charge um,
funds the final third. Each component

909
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,120
raises about $370,000.

910
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:47,800
Uh, the water infrastructure project,
Oakdale, uh is so done mostly, but there

911
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:52,800
are some cleanup and punch list items
that remain. Devonshire's in permitting

912
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:58,280
right now, uh looking to get that going
late summer of this year, and Wellesley

913
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:01,560
design has started. Um, if you live on
Wellesley, you may have seen all the

914
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:04,960
flags, the blue flags are out. We're
locating the infrastructure where it is

915
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:08,720
right now, so the engineers can take
that into account as they start the

916
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:13,080
design work for Wellesley. That will uh
be next year. We're planning on that

917
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:17,560
project in 2027.
Uh, so that is the um

918
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,760
utility rates overview.
I'd be happy to answer any questions you

919
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:25,720
have, and there is the suggested
resolution in your packet. Thank you.

920
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:28,160
» Thank you. Were there any questions from
anyone?

921
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,960
All right.
Uh Uh may we have a motion?

922
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:41,360
» Mayor.
I move that the resolution regarding the

923
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:44,920
2026 to 2027 utility rates be adopted.
>> Second.

924
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,560
» Uh could we have a vote?
>> Commissioner Schmier?

925
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,000
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Budnick?

926
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,600
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Lenko?

927
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,040
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Perry?

928
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,720
» Yes.
>> Mayor Scott?

929
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,840
» Yes, the motion carries.
And we'll move on to budget.

930
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,280
» Yes, thank you.
>> I will I will say just a little shout

931
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:04,200
out to our uh
fellow neighboring mayor uh Mary Lynn

932
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:08,280
Lixey is having her state of the city
address this evening. Um

933
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:12,720
we tend to at least I tend to look at
the budget as a state of the city. Um

934
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:18,520
you can tell a lot about a city by how
it manages its money and how it spends

935
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:23,720
money and things and I I'm
uh exceedingly happy with where the city

936
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:28,440
is at, uh where where what our standings
are and everything and of course happy

937
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:31,960
to answer any questions at any time on
how we manage the city. It's uh we're in

938
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,960
a pretty good spot.
>> As Jim

939
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:38,200
» will elaborate.
>> Yes.

940
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:42,200
Happy to do so.
>> Thank you.

941
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:46,480
» The fiscal year '27 annual budget is
being introduced tonight. The request is

942
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,840
to schedule the public hearing for June
9th.

943
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:53,160
We will get that notice in the paper
once you uh move to schedule it.

944
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:57,280
The budget is available for review right
now on the website. Uh action will be

945
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:01,800
taken on the budget in June and it
becomes effective uh July 1 of this

946
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:07,200
year.
The uh budget is available at this link.

947
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:10,160
cityofpleasantridge.org
/budget

948
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:18,040
Millage rates. The 2025 millage rate was
uh for the city uh

949
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:22,840
part of your the homeowners overall
millage uh was 21.3235.

950
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:28,960
This
uh this year it's proposed at 21.0324

951
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:33,280
mils. So, there will be a small uh 1.4%
reduction in our local millage rate.

952
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:38,680
Um you can see how that's evolved over
time. Uh this year our rollback factor

953
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:42,120
is 0.9883 from properties becoming
uncapped.

954
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:48,840
Our property tax uh
revenue growth is 3.2%.

955
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:52,800
Uh our taxable value growth was 4.65%.
So, as that millage rolled back,

956
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,840
homeowners who have lived here uh see
their

957
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:58,480
their uh
property tax payments increase at a rate

958
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:03,240
lower than inflation because of the
pop-ups under Prop A.

959
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:08,760
Uh our overall reduction this year is
0.2911 mils. And um you can see now that

960
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:14,280
we're actually on an absolute term
below uh where the millage rate was in

961
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:18,840
2021 when uh before the water
infrastructure millage was passed. So,

962
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:24,600
that 1.7 mil uh water infrastructure
millage came online in 2022. And uh just

963
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:27,880
through the dropping off and reduction
of the parks improvement millage and

964
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:31,680
then rolling back and reducing other
millages, um you can see the pool debt

965
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:36,920
millage continues to go down
um faster than uh inflation. Um so, our

966
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:41,120
millage rate is now lower than it was
when we approved the water

967
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,120
infrastructure millage.

968
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,440
Quick overview of revenues. You can see
how that millage rate has evolved over

969
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:51,520
time.
Uh going back to the mid-80s. Um stays

970
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:56,520
fairly consistent um kind of hovering
around that 20 level.

971
01:02:54,360 --> 01:03:02,080
I noted that uh our local millage rate
is about 21 mils and uh less than half

972
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:06,840
of every tax property tax dollar paid uh
comes to us. The remainder goes to other

973
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:11,320
taxing entities. Uh Ferndale School
District is the um second largest. And

974
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:15,320
then you have the county operating and
intermediate school districts, community

975
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:20,720
college, transportation, and then other
is the zoo, the Art Institute, um

976
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:24,200
county parks,
some of those other

977
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:28,080
smaller levies.
When you look at us in context, our

978
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:32,120
local millage rate is
kind of middle of the pack in terms of

979
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,520
absolute terms.
Um

980
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:38,960
when you look at median household
income, we're at the higher level. So,

981
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:42,160
there's kind of a cluster of communities
that are

982
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:47,120
different than the rest. Um property tax
revenue per capita, as you would expect,

983
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:50,640
uh is consistent with that.
Total revenue per capita, again,

984
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:53,880
consistent with that. This has increased
as we've brought the water

985
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:56,520
infrastructure project online.
Um

986
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:00,440
It's a necessary project, but it's
required us to um increase some of our

987
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:06,680
revenues.
Um property tax revenue per capita by

988
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:09,360
millage rate, uh what this shows is that
uh

989
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:13,800
Bloomfield Hills, Birmingham, Orchard
Lake, Pleasant Ridge, Huntington Woods,

990
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:18,520
who kind of uh we occupy that same um
demographic profile,

991
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:21,160
and we tend to generate roughly the same
amount of property tax revenue per

992
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:25,000
capita
with very different millage rates that

993
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:28,560
get you to that bottom line dollar. And
what that points to is just that there's

994
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:32,520
a cost to run a city that is pretty
consistent. You just have to generate

995
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:36,720
the revenues to to run a city, and
everything adjusts to get you to that

996
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,280
level. Um
these are

997
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:42,480
generally higher service providing
communities. Um

998
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,680
Household uh
revenue per household as a percentage of

999
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:51,040
median household income, this is just a
question of is it affordable?

1000
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,000
And you see that most communities
cluster, we're right in the middle of

1001
01:04:52,440 --> 01:05:00,600
the pack in terms of affordability,
about 6% of uh median household income

1002
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:04,240
is revenue to the city, um what we take
in in revenue.

1003
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:07,560
Um
So, again, we're consistent there.

1004
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:11,960
When you look at general fund revenue by
source, adjusted for inflation over

1005
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:16,520
time, um the thing that really stands
out is over time we've had to rely more

1006
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:21,320
on property tax revenue to support
ourselves. And you see the orange line,

1007
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:26,200
the orange kind of blob was state shared
revenue, which continues to decline um

1008
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:30,360
quite a bit.
And so, um, the other the other lines

1009
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:34,240
are are fairly consistent and charges
for services have, uh, increased greatly

1010
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:38,000
in the middle and then reduced over time
as well.

1011
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:42,960
Um, you can see that that's kind of a
consistent total, um

1012
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:46,880
total revenue that we've operated on
right around that $4 million a year for

1013
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:51,720
general fund um, over the course of the
last 40 years.

1014
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:56,360
This is just normalized to, uh, one, uh,
as a percentage basis and again it shows

1015
01:05:54,400 --> 01:06:01,040
the decline of shared revenue, the
decline of charges for services and the

1016
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:05,760
increase in, uh, taxes and assessments
to fund the city as those other

1017
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:09,000
things decline, um
you know, to

1018
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:14,560
School Board member Deal Averns' point,
the state never increases funding. Um,

1019
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:19,280
so, in the '80s we were taking in
$800,000 a year of inflation adjusted

1020
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:25,600
shared revenue and now we're, uh, a
little bit over $300,000 a year. So, you

1021
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,600
know, that's a notable difference.

1022
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:34,960
Uh, property tax value trend, you can
see the compression that occurred in the

1023
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:39,040
wake of the, um, Great Recession.
As assessed values dropped, taxable

1024
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:43,720
values also dropped and then we've
continued to um, get a pretty consistent

1025
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:48,640
pathway, um, since then with both
taxable and assessed property values.

1026
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:52,120
The
taxable property value trend, however,

1027
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:57,880
this points out something that during
times when property values decrease,

1028
01:06:54,280 --> 01:07:03,040
state, uh, the state taxing regime
uh, limits revenue growth for local

1029
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:06,200
communities when things are growing, but
when there's an instance where property

1030
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:11,960
values decline, there's no catch-up
method. There's no way of regaining or

1031
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:16,560
clawing back that revenue. Um so that I
call the Headlee gap because after the

1032
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:21,520
Great Recession, communities everywhere
had to do Headlee overrides. Um

1033
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,720
2012 to 14 really is when that all
happened. It happened here.

1034
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:31,560
To make up for that permanent step down
in taxable value on a inflation-adjusted

1035
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:35,560
basis over time.
So it's a it's inevitable. It's a

1036
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:40,120
staircase down in terms of taxable
values. It's going to happen again at

1037
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,120
some point.

1038
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:50,600
Uh and again, after that after the Great
Recession, it took 10 years to even get

1039
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:54,480
back to inflation-adjusted taxable
values.

1040
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,560
So that was just the the scope of that
uh

1041
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,840
that event.
Expenses, what are we spending our money

1042
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:02,080
on?
Total expenditures per capita, um again,

1043
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:06,320
just like revenues, we're up there.
Birmingham, Bloomfield Hills, Huntington

1044
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:11,240
Woods, uh us, Royal Oak are at the
higher end for expenditures per capita.

1045
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:16,319
Uh but again, expenses per household as
a percentage of median household income,

1046
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:19,160
we're again at that lower end of So is
the question of is the community

1047
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:23,200
affordable? Yes, we are for the people
who live here.

1048
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:27,359
Uh police expenditures per capita is
higher. We spend more, uh but you see

1049
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:29,839
that this is really driven by a small
community.

1050
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:33,920
Lathrup Village is right up there as
well. Um it's like flying an airplane.

1051
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:39,040
You have to have wings and a pilot and a
co-pilot. Um and it just costs money to

1052
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:43,759
have that basic structure to have a city
and a police force in a small town. And

1053
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:47,520
when you look at number of officers per
capita, we have a higher number here

1054
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:51,520
because there's a you have to have six
to seven full-time guys to run a 24/7

1055
01:08:49,480 --> 01:08:56,680
police department. So we just have more
officers per capita um as a necessity.

1056
01:08:55,480 --> 01:09:00,279
When you look at total public safety
expenditures per capita, this accounts

1057
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:04,640
for fire and police.
Uh

1058
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:08,799
on a total basis, we're very um
normal in terms of expenditures per

1059
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:11,400
capita.
Where do we spend our money? Well, we

1060
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,640
have a pool, and it's a hole in the
ground we throw money into. Um

1061
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:21,880
Uh Huntington Woods as well. So, that's
that's the big uh story in terms of

1062
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:27,200
why are our expenditures higher than
some other communities? We have a pool.

1063
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:30,560
And it's great, but we have a pool.
>> And we want it.

1064
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:34,640
» Yes.
Uh water and sewer expenses per capita,

1065
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:38,160
our water infrastructure project is
starting to really come in line uh on

1066
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:42,440
the line, and those those expenditures
are flowing through into the budget now.

1067
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:46,799
So, we are on the higher end of water
and sewer expenses per capita um at this

1068
01:09:44,759 --> 01:09:51,839
point. This does account for those
infrastructure projects um inflating our

1069
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:56,000
our water and sewer budget. But, still
we're not outrageous uh by any means

1070
01:09:54,200 --> 01:10:00,760
when we have to rebuild our entire water
system on the fly, um that's that's a

1071
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:04,680
big undertaking.
This is a good news story here about our

1072
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:08,960
pension funded level uh continues to
increase. We're over 70% now.

1073
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:13,840
You can see the trajectory that we were
on, and in 2017, the voters did approve

1074
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:18,000
a police pension stabilization millage.
All of that money has gone into excess

1075
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:21,440
contributions into the pension fund. Um
and you can see where it took a couple

1076
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:27,680
years for it to really turn around. Um
part of that was some of the returns um

1077
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:33,520
before COVID, but as that that uh
millage phased in over time. So, it was

1078
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:37,520
a 1.4 mil uh approved, but it phased in
at 0.35 mils per year over 4 years. So,

1079
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:41,120
when that funding really started to
fully come in online in 2021, you can

1080
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:47,320
see our
uh police pension funding level is um

1081
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:52,760
dramatically increasing. So, um I am
hopeful we're on track to solve this uh

1082
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:57,960
unfunded uh pension problem by the time
that that uh police pension millage ends

1083
01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:01,400
around 2031 or two, which isn't that far
away now.

1084
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:05,120
» So, that's the overview, the high-level
overview

1085
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:08,520
of the budget. Largely, it's status quo.
We continue to fund water infrastructure

1086
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:12,960
projects and do all the things we're
doing around town.

1087
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:18,160
Um nothing new or major planned in terms
of changes or um

1088
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:22,440
patterns in spending.
Consistent from year to year.

1089
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:27,640
Um the one thing I didn't hit on in the
presentation was city commission policy

1090
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:31,760
is to maintain a 75 70 to 80% um general
fund fund balance, which we did achieve

1091
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:37,160
a couple years ago, and now we're we're
hovering in that um in that area. Higher

1092
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:41,480
than most communities, but again, that's
a small community number. The a smaller

1093
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:44,480
community, one thing can have a major
impact on a budget, whereas a larger

1094
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,280
community,
you can spread things out a little bit

1095
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:51,560
more. Um so, we
uh maintain probably a higher fund

1096
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:56,440
balance than most do, but
it's a reflection of who we are.

1097
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:59,200
» And it's for the size of our community,
it's

1098
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:05,320
actually commendable to be able to get
to this, you know, level of um

1099
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:09,360
of savings and um
fund balances and things, cuz other

1100
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:14,240
small communities are
just can't or don't.

1101
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:18,480
» Yeah.
>> Um

1102
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:22,840
uh so, uh we uh
we'll also have um a public hearing on

1103
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:26,000
this in June.
Assuming that this uh

1104
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,960
motion carries.
>> You're looking at me cuz I make cuz I

1105
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,960
make all of the motions. No, no, no, I
was thinking I'm going to make

1106
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,360
» No, I would say have a comment there.
>> Sure. Yes, please.

1107
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:39,280
» Cuz there is um one of the really nice
things with this budget is the narrative

1108
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:44,240
that uh the city manager writes up
front. So, it makes it very it's a very

1109
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:48,440
digestible document, and it helps sort
of understand the history of where we've

1110
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:53,120
been as well as where we're going, and
talks about the three-year funding and

1111
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:56,720
all of um or budgeting that, you know,
it

1112
01:12:54,040 --> 01:13:01,400
it helps it all really make sense um in
a way that sometimes just looking at the

1113
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:03,520
numbers doesn't. So,
um

1114
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:08,840
it's a
Have fun reading it. You know,

1115
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:12,080
uh it it's not that long even and it's
but it it

1116
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:16,040
I don't know. I it's really good.
>> If uh as someone that has read other

1117
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:19,040
cities' budgets, which sounds very
boring, but it sometimes you have to.

1118
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,720
» Yeah.
>> I can say that our budget is actually

1119
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:26,600
digestible. So,
I have no problem at all sitting down

1120
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:30,080
with somebody and going through line
items in our budget if there's ever a

1121
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,760
question about where where everyone's
money's going.

1122
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,280
» Well, and there are awards for these
things, so.

1123
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,360
» Right.
>> For budget writing, but anyway.

1124
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,000
» All right.
>> Yeah. Mayor, I would

1125
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:46,040
I'd like to add
a second to checking my retirement

1126
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:50,040
balances, the next thing I check is our
parks and rec endowment balance. I like

1127
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:54,440
to check in with Jim to see what it's
and it's such a phenomenal thing that

1128
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:58,560
the city with former Mayor Castelli,
Mayor Scott and in our city manager have

1129
01:13:56,440 --> 01:14:03,080
done is we've taken money that we
we received from 696 essentially

1130
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:06,520
in the late '80s and then we have now
invested it over the last, let's say, 10

1131
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:11,520
years ish.
And that money has grown from 1.

1132
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:16,440
7 million to almost 400 or almost $4
million now and that also includes the

1133
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:19,760
roughly $300,000 worth of improvements
we've pumped into the community

1134
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,720
being the
both the uh

1135
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:28,640
Well, the Foreridge the
room, the big room. Then we had Was the

1136
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:32,240
city chambers part of that?
>> Uh

1137
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:37,320
» Or just the pavilion? The two pavilions.
>> So, pretty phenomenal to have those

1138
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:40,040
those come out and we're still
double.

1139
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,600
» So many parks projects.
>> They're really just

1140
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,760
» been great.
>> Yeah.

1141
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:47,320
» We've also used it to leverage paying
down Gainsborough. It's it's been a

1142
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:49,600
great tool and asset to the city.
>> Mhm.

1143
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,840
» Mhm.
>> Cool. Yes.

1144
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:58,360
» Just one observation. Great job.
Awesome framing it too in terms of how

1145
01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:01,800
we compare to the other communities.
Especially for these young guys, I want

1146
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:06,880
to point out
how policy kind of shifts and changes

1147
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:11,400
from its original
I guess inspiration or like why it goes

1148
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:15,800
into effect. But that state revenue
sharing to put in perspective 800,000 in

1149
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:20,680
the '80s
is like 2.4 million dollars in today's

1150
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:23,280
dollars. So that's and what are we
getting like 300k now? So

1151
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:27,840
» Roughly.
>> So we're not So we're getting 300k when

1152
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,560
you use the time machine to like when
these rules were set up, we should we

1153
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:34,640
should actually be getting like two
extra million dollars, which is

1154
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:40,120
half the budget.
So we ask our state reps for this,

1155
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,120
but

1156
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:48,760
to no avail. But anyways, just just to
kind of pin that as as one of those I

1157
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:51,080
don't know, thorns in our side. Um and
I don't know, as you're looking at

1158
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,920
things like gas taxes or all these other
like

1159
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:57,200
just make sure that the money is going
to the thing that's supposed to do

1160
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,840
rather than it to the general fund,
which gets siphoned into like every

1161
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,240
direction.
>> Literally the buck stops with every

1162
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:08,280
city.
>> Uh-huh. So you'll see laws that occur on

1163
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:11,400
the federal level and the state level.
Ultimately it's a city manager and a

1164
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:14,320
city clerk that has to make something
happen.

1165
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:17,640
And
or not happen.

1166
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:22,440
The right you know, just to make it
happen the right way.

1167
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:26,800
And so I'm excited that we've been able
to sort of manage those

1168
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:29,880
the those moments good and bad from the
federal and the state level.

1169
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,000
» Be cool to have an extra two million
bucks.

1170
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,000
» Yeah.

1171
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:39,280
All right.
>> Mayor.

1172
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,280
» Oh.

1173
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:47,720
» Mayor, I move the public hearing be
established for Tuesday, June 9th, 2026

1174
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:54,000
at 7:30 p.m.
to solicit public comments on the

1175
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:58,960
proposed fiscal year 2026 to 2027
millage rates and combined city budgets.

1176
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:01,360
» Second.
May we have a vote?

1177
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,760
» Commissioner Perry.
>> Yes.

1178
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,120
» Commissioner Lenko.
>> Yes.

1179
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,720
» Commissioner Budnick.
>> Yes.

1180
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,800
» Commissioner Schmier.
>> Yes.

1181
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,960
» Mayor Scott.
>> Yes, the motion carries.

1182
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:18,520
All right. Uh onto the fun topics.
Although I find budgets fun. Um

1183
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:22,320
Uh short-term rentals zoning.
>> Yes.

1184
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,320
Let me get there in my

1185
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:34,360
» Okay, thank you. Um short-term rentals
and I can

1186
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:37,040
pull up the ordinances on the screen if
we need to look through them there, but

1187
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,320
um
I don't

1188
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:43,320
know if we'll need to.
Um short-term rental, uh this is uh not

1189
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:46,000
a new topic. We've been discussing it
for almost a year now at the city

1190
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:50,600
commission,
uh but we're getting to the pointy end

1191
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:55,400
of the stick at this point. Um
the planning commission held public

1192
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:59,120
hearing on the zoning portion of this
two ordinance amendment at their April

1193
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,800
27th meeting.
Um

1194
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:04,840
recommended approval to the city
commission.

1195
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:09,680
Uh these ordinances are being introduced
to you tonight to schedule a public

1196
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:13,720
hearing for the June 9th, 2026 meeting.
Uh the two ordinances would regulate the

1197
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:17,720
operation of short-term rentals within
the city. The zoning amendment uh would

1198
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:22,520
allow short-term rentals in the multiple
family and commercial districts while

1199
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:27,360
allowing the existing um short-term
rental units which are operating to

1200
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:32,680
continue as existing non-conforming uses
um subject to them being currently

1201
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:36,680
licensed as uh rental properties with a
landlord license.

1202
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:39,920
The uh licensing ordinance establishes
short-term rental operation and

1203
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:45,400
management requirements.
The, um, zoning, uh, ordinance, um,

1204
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:49,640
again, allows these only in multi-family
and commercial districts, which are

1205
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:53,560
largely along largely along Woodward.
The, uh, licensing and operational

1206
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:58,360
standards, just a brief overview, annual
licensing, uh, is required.

1207
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:01,560
They have to be renewed each year. Um,
there's an application process spelled

1208
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:05,720
out in the ordinance.
Uh, operational requirements include a

1209
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:10,440
maximum, uh, occupancy of two adults per
bedroom with a total overnight occupancy

1210
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:16,040
cap of eight people per unit. Quiet
hours, uh, 8:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m.

1211
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:19,160
Prohibitions, uh, explicitly bans
fireworks, open burning, recreational

1212
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:23,080
fire pits, subletting, commercial
events, yard sales, uh, at short-term

1213
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:27,400
properties.
The owner or designated agent, uh, of

1214
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:31,200
the property must be available 24 hours
a day, 7 days a week as the responsible

1215
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:34,680
party. Must respond to any issue or
complaint within an hour.

1216
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,840
Uh, there are some parking standards,
uh, RVs, tents, similar vehicles are

1217
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:42,160
prohibited, parking must not block
emergency vehicle access, uh, ingress

1218
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:46,560
points on the street, sidewalks,
neighboring properties, etc.

1219
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:50,640
Uh,
required posting, that there has to be a

1220
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:55,520
posting in the, um,
in the unit and online in the listing,

1221
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:58,440
um, addressing all of these standards,
and then some enforcement standards as

1222
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,960
well.
Transition transition for existing

1223
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:08,440
operators, uh, the zoning ordinance
includes a provision for, um,

1224
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:12,840
currently operating short-term rentals,
which will no longer be a, uh, which

1225
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:16,400
would no longer be allowed to, uh,
maintain and qualify for non-conforming

1226
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:20,560
status.
The operator must currently hold a valid

1227
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:23,520
landlord license under Chapter 18 and
also be able to demonstrate that the

1228
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:27,480
property was in use as a short-term
rental prior to the enactment date of

1229
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:31,240
the zoning ordinance.
Um, if they are a qualifying

1230
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:35,360
non-conforming operator, they have a
90-day window following the effective

1231
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:39,040
date to apply for the short-term rental
license. And if they do and obtain the

1232
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:42,840
license within that window, they'll be
treated as a legal non-conforming use

1233
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:46,840
allowing them to continue operating in
their current zoning district provided

1234
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:49,840
that they remain continuously licensed
and in compliance with the operational

1235
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,680
standards
of the new chapter 18 licensing

1236
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:56,120
ordinance.
Uh short-term rentals that are currently

1237
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:59,520
operating without a valid landlord
license do not qualify for

1238
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:05,040
non-conforming status as they were not
legal uses prior to a short-term

1239
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:07,760
uh rental ordinance adoption.
So, that's the overview of the two

1240
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:11,560
ordinances.
I'd be happy to answer any questions you

1241
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:15,120
have. Um
One thing I would point out is at the

1242
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:20,320
planning commission uh
planning commission chairman Galloway uh

1243
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:23,120
pointed out that Dearborn Heights is
being sued over their short-term rental

1244
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:27,880
ordinance.
They enacted a total ban and did and had

1245
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:31,360
no provision for non-conforming uses.
They're being sued

1246
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:35,160
by a
somebody who's uh was operating a

1247
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:38,560
short-term rental prior to the
ordinance.

1248
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:42,080
Um that's a significant distinction
between their ordinance and ours with

1249
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:45,520
our provisions for um existing
non-conforming uses.

1250
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:50,400
Um and uh
city attorney Neid has reviewed that

1251
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:53,840
lawsuit and he's confident that our
approach is

1252
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:59,560
um
is valid and defensible and we should be

1253
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:03,160
fine with this approach. They got I
I couldn't believe they actually

1254
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,320
tried to do that cuz
it's just a lawsuit waiting to happen

1255
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:08,560
for their approach. So.
>> Mhm.

1256
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,560
» Great.

1257
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:13,800
» Okay. Any questions? I'd be happy to
answer them. Uh requested action is

1258
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,080
scheduling the public hearing.
>> Mr. Mayor?

1259
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,520
» Yes.
>> I was it was interesting cuz at the

1260
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:22,040
planning commission the legal
non-conforming was one of the big

1261
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:27,160
questions that they were asking too and
trying to push back on and like how it's

1262
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:30,800
it
it yeah, it's an interesting

1263
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:36,800
um
pain point on that thing. Now, you had

1264
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:40,360
mentioned you said um and I'm being
nitpicky, so forgive me. Like you said

1265
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:44,520
something about it's largely along
Woodward. Is there something outside of

1266
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:48,560
that when uh you were saying that our
zoning that's allowing it right now?

1267
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,680
» I believe it's all along Woodward.
>> Okay.

1268
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,320
» But I don't want to say that
>> Okay.

1269
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,080
» without the zoning map in front of me to
confirm.

1270
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,480
» Right.
>> Okay.

1271
01:22:55,960 --> 01:23:03,040
» I did look at the zoning map, too, and
it does appear, as Jim said, both

1272
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:08,080
multi-family and commercial appears to
only be on Woodward from

1273
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,680
my interpretation of the colors on the
zoning map.

1274
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:17,000
» Is there anything that could be built

1275
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:25,080
in the future
that would fit that like you know

1276
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:29,360
what is
in

1277
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:32,960
uh what's the Woodward area that the
um

1278
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:36,760
like how the condos are fitting that?
>> So, any

1279
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:40,880
structure any property that is not
already

1280
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:44,440
uh a rental property could not become a
short-term rental property

1281
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:48,600
as I understand it. And it would have to
be built within the next whatever number

1282
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:50,920
of days following the
>> Well, if it's in the commercial

1283
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:51,960
district, it could become a short-term
rental.

1284
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,480
» Right.
>> Oh, in the commercial district?

1285
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,480
» Yes.
>> Mhm.

1286
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,080
» Mhm.
>> Mhm.

1287
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:01,520
» But again, that's And that's important
because uh exclusionary zoning claims

1288
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,720
are another
>> Yes.

1289
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,640
» vector by which our ordinance could be
challenged.

1290
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:10,280
» So.
>> So, Iron Ridge?

1291
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:16,480
» Uh well, that's that's
not commercial or multiple family.

1292
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:19,480
» Oh, you're right. Mhm.
But the the uh the

1293
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:22,080
» It's not commercial.
>> No, I think it's workplace.

1294
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,480
» Okay.
>> It's It's a hybrid industrial

1295
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,520
» Yeah.
>> commercial district that allows for a

1296
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,600
wider range than a normal commercial
district.

1297
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,400
» Interesting. There are two restaurants
going in back there, by the way.

1298
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:36,440
» Yeah.
>> Which is really great. And we kind of

1299
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,440
blew the doors wide open cuz

1300
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,520
It's over there on the other side of the
train tracks.

1301
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:41,600
» It's tough.
>> It's pretty tough.

1302
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:45,520
» Um but the exclusionary zoning thing is
important as well. So the the theory is

1303
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:48,160
that a a short-term rental use is more
like a commercial land use than a

1304
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:51,280
residential land use because of its
nature. So it's appropriate in a

1305
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:54,600
commercial district. So that's the legal
theory upon which the zoning

1306
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:58,520
um decision is predicated.
>> Mhm.

1307
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,520
Thank you.

1308
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:05,480
» No, I have no question. I mean, I have
no additional questions. I feel

1309
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:08,920
really comfortable and I think we did a
really good job of

1310
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:14,880
um
of setting guidelines for the existing

1311
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:19,160
non-conforming, also limiting the future
ones to more appropriate areas.

1312
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:23,680
Um and I'm glad we did it, honestly. I
mean, we're seeing in the news more and

1313
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:28,440
more cities facing this issue and and
dealing with it. So I'm glad we

1314
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,040
got ahead of it and are hopefully almost
done with it.

1315
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:33,160
» Mhm.
Yes, thanks to everyone that's come to

1316
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:37,520
meetings and
discuss the topic. Thanks to the

1317
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:40,400
pleasant uh excuse me, to the uh
to the planning commission for giving us

1318
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,800
a good start.
>> Mhm.

1319
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:49,000
» I won't look at anyone. I'll just look
ahead. What Could we have a motion?

1320
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:53,000
» Mayor. I move that a public hearing be
established for Tuesday, June 9th at

1321
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:57,160
7:30 to solicit public comments on the
proposed short-term rental zoning

1322
01:25:54,680 --> 01:26:00,400
licensing ordinance amendment.
>> Second.

1323
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,000
» Okay, we have a vote.
>> Commissioner Alenko?

1324
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,120
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Schmier?

1325
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:05,560
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Budnick?

1326
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:06,880
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Perry?

1327
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:10,240
» Yes.
>> Mayor Scott?

1328
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:14,600
» Yes. The motion carries.
All right, on to accessory dwellings.

1329
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:20,280
» Yes.
>> Uh one of the things that we heard from

1330
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:25,880
the last uh community master plan uh
effort was that there is was uh quite a

1331
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:30,920
bit of support for allowing accessory
dwelling units um

1332
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:35,200
from the community during that process.
So, the planning commission set to work

1333
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:38,800
and uh is recommend had a public hearing
on the proposed ordinance and uh that's

1334
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:44,280
being presented to you tonight
uh with a request to schedule a public

1335
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:47,840
hearing at the June 9, 2026 meeting.
The uh proposed accessory dwelling unit

1336
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:51,320
ordinance, it's in their packet,
available for review, but a summary of

1337
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:55,000
the proposed regulations
uh is that the planning commission will

1338
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:59,520
be the approving body for the first 10
applications. Um after 10 applications

1339
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:03,400
the planning commission will review the
ordinance and approval process, see if

1340
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:07,040
there's any necessary changes based on
the working experience they gain um as

1341
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:10,520
the approving body.
Um and then at that time, these could be

1342
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:13,640
administratively approved or approved
continued at the planning commission or

1343
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:18,640
some other process, but what we will
determine. Um oftentimes ADUs are an

1344
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:22,760
administrative approval process, but
this is a way of making sure that our um

1345
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,280
our standards are working as intended
and that the planning commission has the

1346
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:31,000
ability and
process to to see these come through.

1347
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:35,200
Property owners within 300 ft uh of the
proposed site on the same street, and

1348
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:39,200
then property owners within 100 ft of
the property not on the same street, so

1349
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:41,800
think of neighbors behind,
uh will be mailed notice of the

1350
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:44,760
application prior to the planning
commission meeting where the application

1351
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,800
will be reviewed so that they are aware
of the proposal.

1352
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:52,360
Design standards are included in the
ordinance um including a 5-ft setback

1353
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:58,000
requirement from any property line.
Um the typical is a 3-ft minimum setback

1354
01:27:55,360 --> 01:28:01,160
for an uh detached accessory uh
dwelling, but or um

1355
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:05,400
structure.
But if it's an accessory dwelling unit,

1356
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:10,240
there has to be a 5-ft setback.
Um 18-ft maximum height measured to the

1357
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:14,280
midpoint, requiring that one of the
dwelling units, either the main uh

1358
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:18,040
dwelling unit or the accessory dwelling
unit, be owner-occupied,

1359
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:21,960
that no part of any property containing
an ADU may be used as a short-term

1360
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:26,480
rental, that ADUs have their own
dedicated water service and meter,

1361
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:29,440
that one dedicated off-street parking
space be provided for the accessory

1362
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,400
dwelling unit, and then there are some
design standards for the design of the

1363
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:36,960
structure itself that are largely in
keeping with our exterior design

1364
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:40,360
standards applicable broadly in the
community.

1365
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:43,440
A restrictive covenant must be filed
with the county register of deeds

1366
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:46,680
describing these requirements for the
purpose of making any prospective buyer

1367
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:49,800
of the property in the future aware of
the restrictions that come along with

1368
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:53,880
the accessory dwelling unit on the
property.

1369
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:59,480
And then there are some enforcement
enforcement and if necessary revocation

1370
01:28:56,280 --> 01:29:03,880
of ADU approval procedures.
So, I'd be happy to answer any specific

1371
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:07,360
questions you have about the ordinance.
And again, the request is to schedule

1372
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:10,200
public hearing for the June 9th, 2026
City Commission meeting.

1373
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:18,960
» Mayor, I do have one question. Just a
clarification actually. Under

1374
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:21,880
enforcement
section two

1375
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:26,880
A.
So, that would be page four of five.

1376
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:30,600
Where it says revoke or modify the ADU
ADU approval, if revoked, the

1377
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:34,720
improvements added to convert the
accessory structure into an accessory

1378
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:39,080
dwelling unit shall be removed within 45
days of the City Commission decision.

1379
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:42,240
And I'm just curious what that means. I
mean, we're not tearing down the

1380
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:45,360
building, are we? I mean, is it capping?
Can you just explain that section, what

1381
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:49,640
that looks like?
>> Sure. So, right now our ordinance states

1382
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:52,920
that you can't you can't have a
combination of utilities to an accessory

1383
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:56,040
building that would allow it to be
converted to a habitable dwelling space.

1384
01:29:55,360 --> 01:30:00,400
» Mhm.
>> So, a combination of utilities is

1385
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:02,160
functionally electric, water, and sewer.
>> Mhm.

1386
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,600
» So, you can only have two of those right
now.

1387
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:07,160
» Mhm.
>> So,

1388
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:10,200
removing the
um

1389
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,480
the improvements
that would allow it to be used as

1390
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:18,280
accessory dwelling unit. Well, that
would be cooking facilities and sanitary

1391
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:22,080
facilities. So, bathrooms, showers,
water, sewer.

1392
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:25,680
That would be determined by what the
property owner wanted to do to take that

1393
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:29,920
out. So, it would just be removing
toilets or capping water service or

1394
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,960
» removing if they had the three, removing
one, two. Okay.

1395
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,560
» Right.
>> Okay.

1396
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:39,200
» And part of that part of that is the why
we require a separate dedicated water

1397
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:42,280
line and meter.
The

1398
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:46,680
The sanitary can tie into the main house
sanitary line that runs out because

1399
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:50,720
that, you know, that's less of a
concern, but

1400
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:54,520
the water service with a shutoff and a
meter

1401
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:57,120
uh becomes our enforcement mechanism um
for for some of these things.

1402
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:00,040
» Okay.
>> Thank you. I just I assumed it was

1403
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:02,680
something along those lines, but as I
was reading it, I was like, are we

1404
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,840
taking down the building? Like, what are
we doing here?

1405
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:08,720
» Right.
>> Which seemed, of course, insane, but

1406
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,720
thank you for clarifying.

1407
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:18,080
Um yes. Thank you.
>> The um so, the maximum height of

1408
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:23,200
a garage or whatever the secondary unit
is is 18 ft and that's at the peak?

1409
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:26,440
» No, that's at the midpoint.
>> Oh, that's at the mid

1410
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:31,200
» So, our ordinance measures the maximum
building height to the midpoint between

1411
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:34,640
the eaves and the peak of the roof.
Typically, that's how uh

1412
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:37,480
building height for pitched roofs is
measured in in just about every zoning

1413
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,920
ordinance everywhere for principal
structures.

1414
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:44,160
» Okay.
>> Most ordinances regulate accessory

1415
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:50,920
building height to the peak, but we
don't and never have. So, our accessory

1416
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:54,160
building uh maximum height is 15 ft
measured to the midpoint, which allows

1417
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:57,800
for taller garages.
Um the 18 ft gives you some extra height

1418
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:01,200
because likely, you know, if you still
have garage space on the first floor and

1419
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:05,160
this is a second floor accessory
dwelling unit, you need that extra

1420
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:10,200
height to make the habitable space
>> above. So, 18 ft is a

1421
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:13,680
a middle ground. It's it's doable for a
dwelling unit,

1422
01:32:11,480 --> 01:32:19,400
but it's it's not it's also not as high
as we allow for a principal structure,

1423
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:23,080
which is 30 ft to the midpoint.
>> Okay.

1424
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:26,640
» Also, that correct including a sightline
and all of the other things required in

1425
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,880
our design guidelines.
>> Yes.

1426
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:41,040
» And it's in relation also to the primary
um structure on the property. Is it uh

1427
01:32:37,480 --> 01:32:43,720
say if it's 18 ft, it can also
Is it rel-

1428
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,320
» Can it be taller than the home?
>> Can it be taller? Thanks.

1429
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,880
» Is that your question?
>> Thanks, Brett.

1430
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,880
» Uh there is nothing in here that uh

1431
01:32:54,920 --> 01:33:01,720
says that the accessory dwelling unit
can't be taller than the principal

1432
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,720
structure currently.

1433
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:08,520
» Is that something we should consider?
Or

1434
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:08,520
um

1435
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:14,320
uh
just for you keeping with the character

1436
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:18,840
of the community and things like that,
like building something. I know there

1437
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:22,960
are size limitations and things like
that, right? It's like a percentage of

1438
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,320
the square footage of the
>> Yes.

1439
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:28,440
» principal property.
>> I you know, I don't

1440
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:31,840
My opinion is I don't know that we need
to worry about the accessory dwelling

1441
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:35,160
unit being taller than the principal
structure because 18 ft is still much

1442
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,160
shorter than you can build for a
principal

1443
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,840
» Okay.
>> structure.

1444
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:41,400
» I probably own one of the five homes in
Wilson Ridge where the garage would be

1445
01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:44,400
taller than the home.
>> Yes, there's a very small number.

1446
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,720
» Yeah.
>> And I think since I've been here, we've

1447
01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:51,440
lost half of our
of our ranches. So.

1448
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,440
» Yeah.

1449
01:33:54,400 --> 01:34:03,640
» And just to clarify I I was at the DDA
meeting watching. Um

1450
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:06,840
there could be a two-level ADU also.
>> Mhm.

1451
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:10,800
» In that situation though, they wouldn't
be allowed to have a garage. Is that

1452
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:14,960
correct? That you you can only have one
additional

1453
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:19,440
» You can have one a detached uh
accessory building right now. So, if you

1454
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:23,240
choose to make that a two-story
accessory dwelling unit, then yes, you

1455
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:26,040
cannot have another
>> So, you cannot have a garage and

1456
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,520
» a third structure.
>> and a third structure.

1457
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:30,920
» You can have an attached garage.
>> Mhm.

1458
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:34,480
» If the garage is attached to your house,
then fine. And then you get one detached

1459
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,600
structure.
>> Mhm.

1460
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:39,520
» And that detached structure could have
garage space and dwelling space.

1461
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,320
» Mhm.
>> However, you configure it.

1462
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,600
» Yes.
>> Yeah.

1463
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:47,840
» Fitting the square footage of
>> This the 700

1464
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:50,200
700 square feet.
>> Whatever it is for your property.

1465
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:54,160
» But you were saying to I mean, you could
stack it, so it could be 1,500. It's a

1466
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:59,320
750 footprint.
>> Yep.

1467
01:34:55,600 --> 01:35:00,160
Or 35% of the size of
>> Mhm.

1468
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:04,440
» your house.
>> Okay.

1469
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:07,720
» And it can be a
long-term rental. It can't be a

1470
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,480
short-term rental.
>> Correct.

1471
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:12,600
» And the
>> Oh.

1472
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:18,080
» owner of the property has to be
permanently in one of the spaces.

1473
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:20,480
And
um

1474
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:26,320
There
>> And these are the And these are all the

1475
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:28,840
items that we would require to be in
that notice filed at the register of

1476
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,680
deeds.
So, we don't get somebody buying the

1477
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,600
property and then finding out that, you
know, expecting to rent both of them

1478
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:35,240
out.
>> Mhm.

1479
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:38,280
» Mhm.
>> And

1480
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:41,160
having to fight that battle after
they've

1481
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:44,120
bought the property. So, that's
why we're trying to provide advance

1482
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,360
notice.
>> Mhm.

1483
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:57,880
» It's interesting. Jim and I have been in
conversations with Lansing about

1484
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:59,800
affordable and available housing over
the last weeks.

1485
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:03,480
» Mhm.
>> And this is an example of how Pleasant

1486
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:07,760
Ridge might
solve that problem where

1487
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:14,160
I'm a person that has that would
probably build an ADU for my mother

1488
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:17,320
at much less cost than assisted living.
So,

1489
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:21,920
uh the cost to build a accessory
dwelling unit is probably a year of of

1490
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:26,520
assisted living cost.
So, um

1491
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:30,480
uh it's a it's a great example of uh
getting the feedback from the community

1492
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:34,000
and it turns out that it's going to
solve a problem that the state is

1493
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:36,560
seeing, too.
>> Which I noticed they they're having

1494
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:40,240
public hearings on those bills
completely unchanged.

1495
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,240
» I know.

1496
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,600
» It's nice of them to meet with us, huh?
>> Yes.

1497
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:49,000
» And I know the concern with parking that
a lot of people talk about, the fact

1498
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:52,320
that it is requiring a dedicated spot, I
think is also

1499
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:54,360
important and obviously a really good
add.

1500
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:57,880
» It's an interesting another follow-up.
So, I'd asked Jim earlier today, "So,

1501
01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:03,240
what if I build a three-bedroom,
three-bath

1502
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:07,440
accessory dwelling?" And it each
it had to change my thinking about what

1503
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:10,480
a dwelling unit is, but I had to might
be actually creating three dwelling

1504
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:15,720
units, which you can't do. You can only
create one dwelling unit in the

1505
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:18,720
structure. So, it isn't um
it isn't very likely, in fact, not

1506
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:22,720
possible
>> Yeah, but it's not possible that you can

1507
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:26,880
create three dwelling units inside the
accessory dwelling. It's that the law is

1508
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:31,560
not written that way because of the way
dwelling units are defined.

1509
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:33,320
So, so the one parking spot is for the
one

1510
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,120
» The one dwelling.
>> Exactly.

1511
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:40,400
» Mhm.
>> So, is there a requirement for

1512
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:44,520
homeowners that that the owners also
have to have one parking spot or

1513
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:48,680
anything?
>> Practically by ordinance, the yes, but

1514
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:51,160
driveway spaces count.
>> Mhm.

1515
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:55,480
» So, you can accommodate that.
>> Mhm.

1516
01:37:52,440 --> 01:37:55,480
» It's it's doable.

1517
01:37:55,760 --> 01:38:02,040
» So, it
but it's not specifically saying there

1518
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:07,400
have to be at least two spaces off the
street for a property.

1519
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,680
» Well, yes, actually the ordinance is
saying that.

1520
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,640
» It is. Okay.
>> Because the parking standards right now

1521
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,880
require at least one off-street space
for

1522
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:15,720
» homeowners?
>> Yeah. And then this adds the other one

1523
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,320
that it can.
>> Okay. And then you need for the

1524
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:20,200
» accessory dwelling unit.
>> Okay.

1525
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:22,560
» Yeah.
And that can be in the garage.

1526
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:26,560
» If it's a
>> Yeah, if it's a small garage and then

1527
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:30,280
above or in the driveway or next to the
garage or however

1528
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:33,320
however makes sense that meets the
standards of our ordinance. You can't

1529
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:36,200
park in the front yard.
So, you can't, you know, create a

1530
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:40,720
parking space in front of the house and
be That's not allowed by ordinance. So,

1531
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:44,680
they still have to meet those standards.
>> Are there any houses without driveways?

1532
01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:46,880
I know there are on Kensington, right?
Specifically?

1533
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:52,400
» Yes. Just Kensington.
>> So, they ultimately would not, unless

1534
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,400
they can figure out a way to

1535
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,920
make a driveway or make a garage.
>> Mhm.

1536
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:59,880
» Then it wouldn't work.
>> Mhm.

1537
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:59,880
» Parking-wise.

1538
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,480
Correct?

1539
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,480
» It's going to be hard for a 40-ft wide
lot to

1540
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,360
» Yeah.
>> meet these standards.

1541
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:11,240
» Yeah.
>> Yeah, it's just it's going to be easier

1542
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:13,960
to do on some lots than others, but
that's

1543
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:16,240
» I mean, of course it is.
>> Yeah.

1544
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,560
» Okay.

1545
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:22,120
» Any other questions?

1546
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:27,640
All right, I guess we're So, this motion
is to have a public hearing?

1547
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:35,000
» Mayor,
I move that a public hearing be

1548
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:39,240
established for Tuesday, June 9th, 2026
at 7:30 p.m. to solicit

1549
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,200
Uh wait.

1550
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:48,240
To solicit public comment on the
proposed a a accessory dwelling unit

1551
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:52,120
zoning ordinance amendments.
>> Second.

1552
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:54,080
May we have a vote?
>> Commissioner Schmier?

1553
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:55,440
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Linko?

1554
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:56,840
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Budnick?

1555
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,360
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Perry?

1556
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:01,840
» Yes.
>> Mayor Scott?

1557
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:04,200
» Yes, the motion carries.
All right, one more zoning thing.

1558
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:07,880
» All right.
>> Um occasionally we go through and just

1559
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:12,160
do a cleanup of the zoning ordinance and
general ordinances to

1560
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:16,680
address things that come up.
So, just as we live our lives at City

1561
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:21,960
Hall, um dealing with things and
find parts of the ordinance that we wish

1562
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:25,240
existed or that aren't working for us,
uh we change them.

1563
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:28,560
So, uh
there's a zoning ordinance amendment and

1564
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:32,640
also some uh some of these are in the
general code of ordinances, but we just

1565
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:35,880
lumped it together in one omnibus.
Um

1566
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:39,560
clarifying clarifying existing standards
for driveway approaches and driveway

1567
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:44,280
locations, setbacks for vertical
structures from sidewalks, uh stairways

1568
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:48,440
for front porches,
monument sign height reductions, and

1569
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:52,760
storm water runoff standards.
Quickly, uh the specifics of these are

1570
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:55,280
driveway approach and location
standards.

1571
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:59,160
Um we've had some increasing requests
for circle driveways and driveways that

1572
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:03,120
meander through the front yard, uh
inconsistent with our interpretation of

1573
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:09,560
existing ordinance standards, so uh we
have some clearer language that um

1574
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:14,160
I think more straightforwardly states
that the driveway has to be on the same

1575
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:17,520
half of the property where the garage
exists.

1576
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:21,880
Setbacks for vertical structures from
sidewalks, um we have standards that

1577
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:25,280
require fences to be at least a foot off
of sidewalks, but there's other things.

1578
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:29,640
We have a lot of peop- not a lot, we
have some retaining walls that are built

1579
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:32,560
right up to the sidewalk. And you know,
when you have kids on bikes or strollers

1580
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:34,800
or walking a dog and you have that
vertical structure right on the

1581
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:39,320
sidewalk, it makes it difficult. There's
no shy area

1582
01:41:36,440 --> 01:41:43,800
to pass, and also the typical standard
is that the property line that the

1583
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:49,920
sidewalk is 1 ft inside of the
right-of-way. So, technically the

1584
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:53,560
right-of-way usually is a foot in
from the sidewalk towards the house.

1585
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:57,920
In a place like Pleasant Ridge that's
100 years old, that's not always the

1586
01:41:55,520 --> 01:42:02,800
case, but that is the standard.
So, by requiring everything any vertical

1587
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:06,200
structure, retaining walls, anything to
be at least a foot off the sidewalk

1588
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:12,160
will ensure that that's on private
property not in the public right-of-way

1589
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:15,560
and also provide for that shy area to um
help make our sidewalks as comfortable

1590
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:19,400
as possible.
Um that would apply to vegetation. We go

1591
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:22,000
through and um
uh

1592
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:25,840
at least once a year try to do a
uh uh

1593
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:29,520
sidewalk overhang inventory and then
tell people to cut your cut your shrubs

1594
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:32,840
or your bushes or whatever else is
overhanging the sidewalk and then if

1595
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:37,200
they don't, we do it. Um so, we do do
that currently. This ordinance would um

1596
01:42:34,440 --> 01:42:40,400
also clarify that requirement.
Stairways for front porches. Uh we do

1597
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:44,120
permit unenclosed front porches to
encroach up to 8 ft into the required

1598
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:46,720
front yard setback, which is consistent
with the historic character of the

1599
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:49,800
community and it's something we want to
encourage.

1600
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:53,120
The ordinance does lack specific
standards for staircases and

1601
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:56,680
uh and landings associated with the
encroaching porches.

1602
01:42:54,920 --> 01:43:01,120
Um
sometimes we've had uh porches on

1603
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:05,160
historic, mostly craftsman-style
bungalows that have been enclosed over

1604
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:09,200
time. We don't allow that now, but
if they were enclosed, then there's no

1605
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:13,480
uh location for a landing, so the
landing has to be outside of the

1606
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:16,920
structure and then the stairs begin. So,
um we've had some requests where the

1607
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:21,280
stairs essentially start at the sidewalk
and uh that provides a, you know, a

1608
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:27,080
vertical element in the front yard,
starts to encroach on those um setbacks.

1609
01:43:24,440 --> 01:43:31,680
So, the proposed standards would uh
limit that and uh limit tread depth to

1610
01:43:30,440 --> 01:43:37,200
uh 11 in
to help um

1611
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:39,200
allow for reasonable stairs that provide
access

1612
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:44,320
uh
in the sort of minimum amount of space

1613
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:44,320
necessary for that.

1614
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:51,360
Uh monument sign height reduction.
Currently, monument signs may have a

1615
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:53,960
maximum height of 25 ft along Woodward.
Uh very tall. We have some

1616
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:55,680
» Yeah, it's tall.
>> I mean, taller than an accessory

1617
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,920
dwelling unit.
>> Yeah.

1618
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:05,640
» Um the proposed amendment would reduce
the maximum height of monument signs to

1619
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:09,000
6 ft uh and a maximum area of 32 sq ft.
That's uh maintaining a scale more

1620
01:44:07,480 --> 01:44:12,440
consistent with the
uh residential pedestrian oriented

1621
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:16,120
character of the community.
Also, it lines up directly with

1622
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:20,440
Ferndale's standards for signs along
Woodward. So, we'll have a consistent

1623
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:23,680
set of standards uh with our neighbor to
the south.

1624
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:27,120
Stormwater runoff standards. Uh
we need some clear standards requiring

1625
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:29,680
that all stormwater runoff generated by
a property be contained within the

1626
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:32,920
property.
Um this may surprise you, but sometimes

1627
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:35,520
neighbors don't get along.
>> What?

1628
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:40,640
» I know. And sometimes neighbors point
downspouts so that all the water shoots

1629
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,640
onto their neighbor's property.

1630
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:46,440
It happens.
Frequently, actually. So, uh the the

1631
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:50,200
ordinance standard would clearly
identify that you have to maintain the

1632
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:53,680
stormwater runoff within your property,
that you can't do anything that would

1633
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:56,800
cause it to run off onto a neighboring
property.

1634
01:44:54,800 --> 01:45:01,560
Uh and then it that I can
run to the street where the drains are.

1635
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:04,920
So, I can uh
clarify or expand on any of these

1636
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:08,360
ordinances. All of the specific language
is in your packet, um which is available

1637
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:11,560
online
for anyone to review. Uh the requested

1638
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:15,520
action is again to schedule a public
hearing for the June 9th, 2026 meeting.

1639
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,920
» Any questions?

1640
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:29,880
» Um Mayor
and

1641
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:33,440
I am, full disclosure, my stairs, I
think, and my porch. I'm not making it

1642
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:36,840
bigger, but because I'm redoing my
>> No monument sign.

1643
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:40,560
» No 25-foot monument sign. But, I'm
redoing my stairs and I'm redoing my

1644
01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:45,280
front walkway, and because of that, I
have spent a lot of time walking the dog

1645
01:45:42,440 --> 01:45:48,920
looking at other people's stairs.
Um

1646
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:52,160
So, this 12-in
tread depth,

1647
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:56,000
I think I'm looking for a little bit
more clarification on that, because as I

1648
01:45:54,480 --> 01:46:00,120
walk around, you see a lot of houses
also that have

1649
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:03,120
incremental stairs almost leading up to
the main staircase.

1650
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:07,200
So,
where does that fall, number one, into

1651
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:10,240
all of this? I mean, I think some, you
know,

1652
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:13,720
we see them like the incremental stairs,
especially when houses are built a

1653
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:17,320
little bit higher up. So, I guess number
one, what is what's How do we deal with

1654
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:19,880
that?
>> Right now, if the I know what you're

1655
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:23,320
talking about. So, basically, where the
pitch of the front yard rises up to the

1656
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:26,520
house, and then the stairs kind of, you
know, there's a walkway that right

1657
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:31,720
» Yep.
>> If it's if it's not raising more than 8

1658
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:33,040
in above the surrounding grade,
>> Mhm.

1659
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:36,400
» which is a standard we have elsewhere in
the ordinance, it's not considered a

1660
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:40,000
staircase at that point.
>> So,

1661
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:45,520
» a walkway that is rising to, you know,
be equal to the grade surrounding it.

1662
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:50,000
» Okay, so under 8 in doesn't
>> Yeah. And by a typical rise for a

1663
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:52,200
staircase is 7 in.
>> Mhm.

1664
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:55,800
» So,
And where did the 12-in

1665
01:46:53,960 --> 01:47:01,840
tread depth come from?
The standard for staircases is

1666
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:07,040
uh two times the rise plus the run
should equal 24 or 25.

1667
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:12,320
Uh because that's it's based on
a human gait, and what's comfortable and

1668
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:16,360
safe for a person to climb stairs. If
you start to increase the tread depth in

1669
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:19,440
there, you have to lower the rise,
because it's farther in between the

1670
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:22,480
stairs.
So, that's part of the issues when

1671
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:26,800
people want to do 16-in treads, well,
now what's happening is you have to

1672
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:31,600
lower the rise and that lengthens the
staircase. So, now that's what pushes it

1673
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:35,040
out towards the sidewalk.
And again, you know, if you have that

1674
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:42,440
rise that gets too much you start to
turn it into a ladder. So, usually your

1675
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:46,920
rise is 7 in cuz that's what falls
comfortably with a

1676
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:51,040
10 and 1/2 to 12-in run
run on the stair.

1677
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:57,120
So, that's where those That's what the
standard is based around.

1678
01:47:53,360 --> 01:48:02,600
» My current stairs are 12 and my
foot or my the my walking shoe, I wear

1679
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:06,200
like an 8 and 1/2 basically fills the
whole space of that 12-in. I don't know

1680
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:11,040
where that math comes from, but there we
go. So, it fills in and in redoing my

1681
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:14,320
stairs, you know, I've been talking to
these people and asking about what about

1682
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:18,440
a little bit more breathing room on
those stairs.

1683
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:22,880
And and maybe not to the 16-in, but
13-in or 14-in.

1684
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:26,240
And is there any conversation about
taking that 12-in a little bit? I've

1685
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:29,400
also been walking around and I I
apologize to anyone who's caught me on

1686
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:33,680
their ring camera. Seriously, like
putting my foot on their stairs to see

1687
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:36,960
like where my foot shoe falls in
relation to their stairs.

1688
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:40,400
And I have noticed that some of them,
although not huge, are a little bit

1689
01:48:38,440 --> 01:48:45,000
bigger than 12-in, especially ones that
have um

1690
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:48,080
you know, brick and then kind of a a cap
on top of that brick. I don't know what

1691
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:51,840
we're calling that, but so, I'm
wondering if there's any and what other

1692
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:55,280
people feel about giving a little bit
more flexibility to that.

1693
01:48:54,080 --> 01:49:00,480
And
and maybe limiting how far something can

1694
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:04,040
come away from the house versus, you
know, isn't the more concern about

1695
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:08,120
getting it too close to the street? So,
what about

1696
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:11,960
is there any conversation about limiting
how far away it can be from your house

1697
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:15,600
versus the actual tread of the stairs,
especially if

1698
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:19,400
and
for me again, personally, the reason I

1699
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:25,480
wanted to maybe give some more breathing
room to the stairs is because my porch

1700
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:28,480
isn't huge. And I priced out expanding
the size of my porch a little bit

1701
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:33,320
width-wise to give myself like a little
bit more movement. And that just

1702
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:36,360
price-wise made zero sense. So, again,
just thoughts because I am in the

1703
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,400
process of thinking about all these
things.

1704
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:40,600
» Mhm.
>> But

1705
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:45,040
again, limiting how close something goes
to the street versus limiting the size

1706
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:49,240
of the stairs is
a conversation I'd be I'd like to have

1707
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:52,480
understand a little bit more.
Or hear other people's thoughts on.

1708
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:59,560
Now we're in the future, you know.
>> Well, uh the good news is that we've got

1709
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:02,320
a month.
>> We have a month.

1710
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:06,520
» And
ahead of the public hearing we could all

1711
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,520
be seen on ring cameras.
>> Yeah, I mean, seriously, I I do put my

1712
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:12,120
foot
>> Send us photos.

1713
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:14,960
» I I
have photos.

1714
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:18,760
» Yeah, they're from 14 Pleasant Ridge.
>> I do have photos. And some people do

1715
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:21,840
have I mean, again, people's stairs are
different throughout the city.

1716
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:27,360
And
>> I think it was helpful for me to hear um

1717
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:31,040
Jim's logic on the 24-in total
ergonomics. And

1718
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:36,240
what is
you know, considered to be a standard.

1719
01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:38,040
Although we could deviate from that.
>> Mhm.

1720
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:40,920
» So that that's helpful. But I'll have to
think about it some more to be honest.

1721
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:45,880
» Of course. And as you're walking around,
I mean, take a look because

1722
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:47,520
again, it's top of mind for me, which is
I think why

1723
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:51,920
» Mhm.
>> I

1724
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:56,120
me my stairs hopefully will be done in
sooner rather than later, knock on wood.

1725
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:58,480
» I think they can come out and start.
Okay.

1726
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:03,080
I see a thought.
>> Yeah, I'm just thinking.

1727
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:06,920
» Okay. I'll well
Do you So

1728
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:09,760
so I'm clear.
Do you want alternate language that

1729
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:14,360
would
>> Um

1730
01:51:10,440 --> 01:51:14,360
» maybe you'll for a larger tread depth?

1731
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:19,920
» I I don't know because I I have not
thought about it that deeply.

1732
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:25,280
» Yeah.
>> Meaning the it feels what you have

1733
01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:30,240
specified feels normal to me.
So, I don't know that an alternate would

1734
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:33,920
help at this moment.
And I don't know that they would change

1735
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:36,560
what would go into the public hearing. I
guess that's kind of the question. Or is

1736
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:39,400
that your question or no?
>> Yeah, I mean I guess as I think about

1737
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:44,400
it, if you have a
a large enough setback,

1738
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:47,920
I guess the key thing is as long as the
stair as long as the stairs aren't

1739
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:50,000
getting ridiculously close to the
defined to ridiculously close, I don't

1740
01:51:49,480 --> 01:51:54,000
know, but
>> Uh-huh.

1741
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:57,000
» to the sidewalk, there's probably room
on some properties to allow for a deeper

1742
01:51:55,840 --> 01:52:00,960
tread.
For 14 for a 14-in tread, say.

1743
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:05,480
» Mhm.
>> As long as you're not, you know, getting

1744
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:08,240
too close to the sidewalk.
>> Mhm. Cuz the goal is to not get too

1745
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:09,920
close to the sidewalk.
>> Yeah, that's really the goal.

1746
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:12,080
» Mhm.
>> Cuz some of these staircases people you

1747
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:15,280
know,
with the side and the caps and then they

1748
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:20,560
get massive.
>> Yeah. Um

1749
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:20,560
» I'm going to need to measure your shoe.

1750
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:27,360
» My Montour walking shoe.
>> If we kept it at like there could be a

1751
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:31,000
variance, right? I mean if somebody
had a giant foot

1752
01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:34,360
» What I'm thinking is if the stair as
long as all parts of the staircase are,

1753
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:39,120
for instance,
uh if all parts of the staircase are set

1754
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:41,520
back at least 20 ft from the sidewalk. I
don't know if 20 ft is a number. I have

1755
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:45,000
to figure that out.
>> Mhm.

1756
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:50,200
» Uh then we don't care.
Build it how you want it.

1757
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:56,160
If
if the staircase is going to be or has

1758
01:52:52,360 --> 01:53:00,680
to be less than 20 ft from the sidewalk,
then it can have a maximum tread depth

1759
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:03,080
of 12 in to just basically minimize
>> Mhm.

1760
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:05,840
» so that staircase so the stairs become
the minimum reasonable

1761
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:10,080
» Mhm.
>> um you know, size because you have less

1762
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:13,240
space to work with and you just have to
work with that.

1763
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:14,760
» focusing on that one problem and not the
whole

1764
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:19,080
» Right. So, as long as there's enough
space then, okay. Then you can have a

1765
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:23,240
16-in tread depth if you want to.
>> Would that bleed into like the bigfoot

1766
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:26,440
rules? Like I guess would
you know, on a smaller property having a

1767
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:30,440
large
uh, staircase with that potentially

1768
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:34,440
trigger bigfoot where I I mean, you have
to have like what is it? 85%? I think.

1769
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:37,480
» No.
>> Like so

1770
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:42,000
» No, it wouldn't it wouldn't trigger that
way. It's really just

1771
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:45,880
minimizing
how close that

1772
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:47,240
uh, smaller property staircase gets to
the sidewalk.

1773
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,640
» Mhm.
Mhm.

1774
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:53,800
» When
yeah, when you we run into that issue.

1775
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:57,160
And again, you know, another variable
another variable in the equation is how

1776
01:53:55,200 --> 01:54:00,800
tall is the front porch. Cuz sometimes
the front porch is, you know, 3-ft tall.

1777
01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:03,920
Well, sometimes it's 5-ft tall. So, that
changes the run.

1778
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,000
» Yeah, the run.
>> as well.

1779
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:08,360
» Mhm.
>> So, if you have a tall porch and a small

1780
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:13,080
setback then you're going to have to do
12-in, you know, just do 12-in treads

1781
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:16,000
and make it the minimum as compact as
possible.

1782
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:20,760
But if it's a 3-ft tall porch and you
have 40-ft then

1783
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:24,200
you know, knock yourself out.
>> know how far it is from the sidewalk to

1784
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:28,280
your
stairs right now? So, like

1785
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:34,320
» I haven't measured it, but I do know
that I mean, you've all seen. I mean, it

1786
01:54:30,440 --> 01:54:37,960
it's not tight. I don't think going 14
For me personally, I don't think it

1787
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:40,440
pushes it too close. Whatever that close
is.

1788
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:44,200
» of sweeps, doesn't it? To the driveway?
>> Mhm. It's just it's just

1789
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:47,000
up and down.
>> Would you like to give this some

1790
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:50,280
thought?
>> Well, I think that's the approach I'd

1791
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:54,880
take would be the minimum setback and
then if you can't meet that then you

1792
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:58,040
will allow you to do 12-in tread
staircase.

1793
01:54:56,240 --> 01:55:01,720
Minimum necessary.
>> Yeah, that does.

1794
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:03,120
» And the only thing I need to do
is just

1795
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:06,880
» Pick the number.
>> go get a measuring wheel and walk around

1796
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:09,880
town and
base it off of what exists right now.

1797
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:13,360
» Mhm.
>> So that we're not create you know, not

1798
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:16,360
allowing
kind of expansion beyond the character

1799
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:18,040
that we have that exists.
>> Mhm.

1800
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:22,240
» So I'll I'll
figure out what that number is

1801
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:25,560
and put something in there. If you're
comfortable with that approach.

1802
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,840
» I'm comfortable. Do you Do we need to
say that here or no, just for the public

1803
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:30,320
hearing?
>> Mhm.

1804
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:31,960
Yeah, I'll just amend it.
>> Okay.

1805
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:33,520
» Does it need to go back to planning
commission?

1806
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:37,600
» No.
>> Okay.

1807
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:40,480
» The intent and the concept is still the
same.

1808
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:42,120
» Okay.
Okay.

1809
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:44,440
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1810
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:51,560
» Okay, Mayor.
>> I'm staring at you.

1811
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:57,200
» Mayor, I move to a No.
Mayor, I move that a public hearing be

1812
01:55:53,320 --> 01:56:01,960
established for Tuesday, June 9th, 2026
at 7:30 p.m. to solicit public comment

1813
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:04,600
on the proposed general zoning ordinance
amendments.

1814
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:07,280
» Second.
May we have a vote?

1815
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:08,560
» Commissioner Schmier?
>> Yes.

1816
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:09,960
» Commissioner Budnick?
>> Yes.

1817
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:11,400
» Commissioner Lenko?
>> Yes.

1818
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:12,760
» Commissioner Perry?
>> Yes.

1819
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:19,000
» Mayor Scott?
>> Yes, the motion carries.

1820
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:19,000
On to item 13.

1821
01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:23,960
Which is a Granicus.
>> Yeah, I forgot about that. Okay.

1822
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:26,280
» Yeah.
>> Granicus.

1823
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:28,600
» It's still within zoning sort of.
>> Kind of, yeah. We didn't quite escape

1824
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:32,840
it.
>> Nope.

1825
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:37,240
» Uh Granicus, uh we're uh I guess
fighting fire with fire on short-term

1826
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:41,600
rentals here. Um
short-term rentals are advertised on

1827
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:45,120
online platforms.
Very I don't know what percentage of

1828
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:48,320
short-term rentals are rented through an
online platform, but it's probably over

1829
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:51,800
99%.
One of the challenges with regulating

1830
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:56,360
short-term rentals is the fact that they
are short-term rentals and that their

1831
01:56:54,640 --> 01:57:01,600
advertisement can come and go. It's not
always there. And for a staff of three

1832
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:06,120
people at City Hall, it's difficult for
us to as we adopt short-term rental

1833
01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:09,960
standards, difficult for us to stay
ahead of and actually monitor short-term

1834
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:13,920
rental advertisements and who's doing
that. Particularly when we're

1835
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:17,040
prohibiting the use in single-family
residential districts.

1836
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:21,080
Granicus offers a short-term rental
monitoring and compliance service. I've

1837
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:26,240
had a number of meetings with them, seen
the service.

1838
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:30,080
They continuously crawl all of 60-plus
short-term rental listing sites.

1839
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:34,000
But you know, Airbnb, Vrbo, HomeAway are
the main ones, of course, and then all

1840
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:39,560
the other ones you've never heard of.
Their address identification pings and

1841
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:43,760
locates all of the places that are being
listed, that have been listed since 2010

1842
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:48,920
as short-term rentals.
So this is will be essential to us as we

1843
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:54,000
enforce and monitor this.
They also have a 24/7 complaint hotline

1844
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:59,520
and compliance outreach services as
well, which I'm recommending we

1845
01:57:56,040 --> 01:58:06,040
we implement. The 24/7 hotline,
they create an online platform where

1846
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:10,680
residents in the city can call or send a
a note through the online portal

1847
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:13,720
to Granicus, and then as part of the
licensing ordinance where you have the

1848
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:16,280
responsible party, we will have that
information. Granicus will have that

1849
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:20,320
information.
They'll reach out to that responsible

1850
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:24,400
party. So if this happens at, you know,
10:30, that a complaint comes through,

1851
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:28,960
we don't have to, you know, have
somebody present to act on that.

1852
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:33,000
Granicus has, you know, their back end
that's handling this for all their

1853
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:36,760
clients. They'll reach out to the
to the responsible party to get that

1854
01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:41,280
complaint addressed.
The um

1855
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:46,640
Excuse me, compliance outreach service
is related to that, where they will um

1856
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:51,080
respond to those complaints. If we
identify a non-permitted or illegal

1857
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:55,520
short-term rental,
um

1858
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:58,880
Excuse me. Uh we click on the button and
they send the letter that we've adopted.

1859
01:58:57,640 --> 01:59:03,000
So, it just takes a lot of the
administrative back end um off of our

1860
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:07,160
plate. So, that'll ease
and uh improve our ability to enforce

1861
01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:12,800
the ordinance.
The uh annual cost for these services

1862
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:16,320
will be about $6,000. Uh we'll make up
through uh we'll um

1863
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:21,080
make up for that cost through short-term
rental licensing fees. So, that'll be

1864
01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:25,560
part of the cost equation for having a
short-term rental license in the city.

1865
01:59:24,200 --> 01:59:29,000
Um So, I'd be happy to answer any
questions on this. I'm asking you to

1866
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:33,120
approve this now before the ordinances
are approved because there is lead time

1867
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:36,760
and spool up time involved with getting
ourselves set up with Granicus and I

1868
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:40,040
want to make sure that we have this um
operational

1869
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:44,760
as close to um
our ordinances coming online

1870
01:59:42,160 --> 01:59:44,760
as possible.

1871
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:50,800
Happy to answer any questions if I'm
able.

1872
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:55,640
» Um I had the pleasure of walking through
the Granicus tool set maybe 2 months ago

1873
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:59,680
and it's very capable
and um it's sort of like Jim's analogy

1874
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:05,320
of what it takes to have a police
department. Uh it's probably more than

1875
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:10,920
the average city will need, but this is
the minimum that you can buy.

1876
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:15,080
So, um we don't we're not like a uh lake
community with 80 or 90 short-term

1877
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:19,000
rentals and tracking lots of things, but
we need this to know when they pop up

1878
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:20,440
and and that they pop up.
>> Yes.

1879
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:22,920
» So,
>> The good news is their fee schedule's

1880
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:23,960
also related to how many
>> Yeah.

1881
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:26,000
» you have.
>> Yeah.

1882
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:28,440
» So, we're actually at the low end of the
fee structure.

1883
02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:31,760
» Right. And I imagine other communities
will pick up on this and start using it

1884
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:35,920
because of the
of the its capability and its ease of

1885
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,920
use.

1886
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:42,120
» And I thought the compliance outreach, I
spent some time on the Summit Colorado

1887
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:46,120
link and I thought it was a good look,
you know, I kind of went through all of

1888
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:49,080
it and it also provided the data, too,
of what they were collecting, which I

1889
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:52,520
thought was also really interesting so
you can see where the problems if there

1890
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:55,800
are problems
but I thought yeah that page and that

1891
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:58,160
system looked good. Simple.
>> Yeah.

1892
02:00:57,240 --> 02:01:01,080
» Easy to use.
>> And I couldn't figure out like it felt

1893
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:04,760
like
you didn't realize it was a third party

1894
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:08,080
either when you were on the site which I
thought was also good. I mean it was

1895
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:11,480
well integrated into their city website
or city look so.

1896
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:17,440
» All right
do we have a motion?

1897
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:22,400
» I move to approve the agreement for
Granicus address identification 24/7

1898
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:27,800
hotline and compliance outreach services
at an annual cost not to exceed $6,000.

1899
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:30,280
» Second.
>> Do we have a vote?

1900
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:31,680
» Commissioner Lenko.
>> Yep.

1901
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:33,120
» Commissioner Budnick.
>> Yes.

1902
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:34,880
» Commissioner Perry.
>> Yes.

1903
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:36,120
» Commissioner Schmier.
>> Yes.

1904
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:39,240
» Mayor Scott.
>> Yes. The motion carries.

1905
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:41,800
Wow we made it to the city manager
report.

1906
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:48,200
Street sweeping one of the things that
was in the consent agenda is a agreement

1907
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:52,440
with the city of Ferndale to take up our
street sweeping.

1908
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:52,440
So this will

1909
02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:58,680
be good.
They are they should be coming out this

1910
02:01:55,720 --> 02:02:03,360
week or next for their their first run
through the city city to sweep

1911
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:08,760
and then that should put them on target
for one in early June and then we are

1912
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:12,360
looking to maintain our fourth Wednesday
and Thursday schedule that's on the

1913
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:16,600
signs that we have around town right now
that have been there for a few years

1914
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:22,080
that nobody knows are there
but yes so this will

1915
02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:26,520
take our aging and increasingly
unreliable boat anchor of a street

1916
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:33,120
sweeper out of service. We'll still keep
it. I think we can get it

1917
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:36,440
useful for spot duty but it's getting to
the point where we can't make it through

1918
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:40,000
the entire city on a sweeping cycle for
two straight days without something

1919
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:43,280
going wrong with it so
Um, you know it doesn't really have much

1920
02:02:41,480 --> 02:02:47,400
value so again, we'll keep it, we'll
maintain it to

1921
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:52,160
do here and there, but
I'm looking forward to not having that

1922
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:55,600
will it make it every month?
What kind of fluid is that?

1923
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:59,480
» I don't know.
>> Yeah.

1924
02:02:57,120 --> 02:03:04,160
» So, they'll just be going out as sort of
a test run in the next

1925
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:07,280
» No, they're they're going to sweep the
whole city. I mean, I guess it's a test

1926
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:09,640
run as their first one, but they're
doing a full double check.

1927
02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:12,720
» can give us a heads-up and we'll try and
get the word out on days to so people

1928
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:15,480
can move cars.
>> And again, you know, we are now

1929
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:18,120
contracting with Ferndale, so they are
going to be fitting us into their

1930
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:21,960
schedule, so I can't promise that we're
going to have tons of notice.

1931
02:03:20,360 --> 02:03:25,360
Uh, but that's again why we're trying to
they're trying to get back to our, you

1932
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:30,480
know, fourth Wednesday, Thursday
schedule for some regularity. But as we

1933
02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:33,480
kind of catch up on our spring sweeping
>> Okay.

1934
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:37,480
» I'll try to let you know if I can.
>> Great.

1935
02:03:35,080 --> 02:03:41,840
» Uh, Wellesley, we've begun the water
main design work. Uh, you may notice if

1936
02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:44,560
you live on Wellesley. Um,
which some do.

1937
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:48,120
That, uh, there have been some blue
flags marking stop

1938
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:51,840
stop box locations. The engineers are
picking that data up for the design

1939
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:56,320
plans. Please leave the flags out for a
couple weeks. Um, and we'll let you know

1940
02:03:53,920 --> 02:04:01,200
I'll let you know if we finish
beforehand, but

1941
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:03,960
that's all part of the design work.
And any questions on anything else

1942
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:07,800
happening?
>> I have a question on the flags. With

1943
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:11,880
everybody mowing and everything, I think
a lot of flags are getting displaced. Is

1944
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:15,680
there
is there anything we want to do like

1945
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:22,000
like do you have spray paint we could
put on like so people could go spray

1946
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:25,400
paint their little flag dots and then
mow or

1947
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:27,920
» I don't know. Let me I'll I'll check
with the engineers to see if they got

1948
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:31,120
what they need.
>> Okay.

1949
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:33,880
» And cuz if we have to go back and remark
or I don't know. I don't know. Don't

1950
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:36,760
know the answer to that.
>> Cuz I see flags.

1951
02:04:35,560 --> 02:04:42,720
» Yeah.
>> On Wellesley I know that they posted the

1952
02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:46,320
flag in the place which I now believe is
the stop box of everyone's house, but

1953
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:48,400
they also actually spray painted the um
I don't know if it was the same on

1954
02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:53,360
Devonshire, but they spray painted the
curb, too. So, I'm assuming it's double

1955
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:55,280
double confirmation.
>> Mhm. Mhm.

1956
02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:57,200
» So,
>> We have different lots of colors of

1957
02:04:56,760 --> 02:05:00,680
flags.
>> You do have a lot of colors.

1958
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:06,840
You're far you're farther along.
>> paint, which would be awesome to have.

1959
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:10,000
» gas, red is electrical, blue is water.
>> I don't know what green is. What is

1960
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:12,200
green?
>> Gas? Did you already say gas?

1961
02:05:11,240 --> 02:05:14,920
» said gas.
>> It's grass.

1962
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:18,640
» I don't know.
>> Okay.

1963
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:21,080
» Good question.
>> Yeah.

1964
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:24,760
» Yeah, let us know if you want us to
spray if you want to give me some spray

1965
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:27,840
paint and we'll
be fun.

1966
02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:30,760
» I think for liability reasons,
>> let them do their own

1967
02:05:28,720 --> 02:05:35,120
» We'll let the officially sanctioned uh
marking do that.

1968
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:38,200
» Fine. That's actually that's a good
>> idea cuz it really means something.

1969
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:41,160
» Right. I appreciate the enthusiasm.
>> the way, Anne would be doing it at like

1970
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:44,520
2:00 in the morning and your ring
definitely would be going off and you

1971
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:46,280
would see Anne out there with a can.
>> And you measuring their steps and you

1972
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:49,960
would
>> And I would be there with you. Yes,

1973
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:52,680
measuring their steps, but
basically it would be really creepy.

1974
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:55,640
» You had a couple of black leotards
projects and this is one of them.

1975
02:05:54,520 --> 02:05:58,440
» Yeah, exactly.
>> Green means sewer according to the

1976
02:05:57,480 --> 02:06:01,160
mistake website.
>> Ah, thank you.

1977
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:04,200
» Okay.
>> See, very important.

1978
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:09,360
» That's a
>> Yeah, okay.

1979
02:06:06,440 --> 02:06:11,160
» I want to say thanks to uh Jake and
>> Yes.

1980
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:13,480
» the uh the crew. This This is a long
one. Way to hang in.

1981
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:16,320
» Yeah.
>> Yeah, I got it.

1982
02:06:14,200 --> 02:06:19,200
» Any words before we leave, we're on to
uh other business. Is there any words

1983
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:21,880
that you have for your anything you'd
like to

1984
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:23,720
Okay.
Okay.

1985
02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:26,400
» Yeah.
>> I get it.

1986
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:31,560
» Yeah. All right.
Any other other business?

1987
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:37,480
» I want to mention Ferndale Pride is
actually it's also like the June Fair.

1988
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:42,560
It's also in June. It's going to be
uh May 30th, Saturday, May 30th. I think

1989
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:47,360
it starts at 1:00 p.m. officially in
Ferndale.

1990
02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:51,320
Um which is always a very joyful event
with lots of um different activities and

1991
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:54,000
awareness and everything, which is
really great.

1992
02:06:52,920 --> 02:06:56,680
It's nice that it's right in our
backyard.

1993
02:06:56,840 --> 02:07:02,200
» Um I'll mention that we've got uh I may
have mentioned this last week, but I'm

1994
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:06,960
not sure. Two uh
more EV chargers have gone in. They're

1995
02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:11,760
level two. They look weird because
they're hanging on a pole and then they

1996
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:14,760
come down to meet your car. So, I've
been testing it out over the last month

1997
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:17,120
uh
um

1998
02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:20,680
and it works pretty well. You won't even
know that they're there, which is a

1999
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:24,600
problem because during the day the spots
are often occupied by

2000
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:28,480
internal combustion engine cars, which I
can't penalize anymore.

2001
02:07:26,160 --> 02:07:28,480
» Right.

2002
02:07:28,720 --> 02:07:36,480
» Um uh but if you have an EV and um
I probably more convenient for the folks

2003
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:39,520
on the east side of town than the west
side of town, but if you have an EV,

2004
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:42,280
you're just looking for another place to
charge your car, even for the folks on

2005
02:07:41,120 --> 02:07:46,720
the west side of town, just park it
there. Let it charge up for a few hours

2006
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:50,280
and come back. Um I'm working with them
on

2007
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:53,520
um idle time rates because that's a bit
of a challenge if you're not in the

2008
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:57,320
building. I've been dinged a couple of
times because it can take 10 minutes to

2009
02:07:55,360 --> 02:08:00,600
walk back to the car and then they hit
you for extra cents per minute when it's

2010
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:03,440
just sitting there.
But it does work. It's pretty cool. And

2011
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:07,160
the company's name is Voltpost. They're
getting more chargers installed in

2012
02:08:04,720 --> 02:08:11,640
Michigan. I'm introducing them to some
other cities cuz it seems to work. So.

2013
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:16,680
» To that point, I've actually been
walking by it and noticing a lot of the

2014
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:21,480
bad cars, whatever you call them, parked
in those spots. Um I actually have not

2015
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:24,800
looked at the signage, but is there are
we working on

2016
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:30,640
» Yes, they are intending to have uh their
contractor uh paint the typical EV signs

2017
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:34,720
on the spot so that that should reduce
the amount of people using them

2018
02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:38,600
incorrectly. But, those are prime spots,
so occasionally they might be taken.

2019
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:42,360
» Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I did notice that a
couple days ago. Or

2020
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:44,560
» And they were supposed to do sign signs
as in addition to the painting as well.

2021
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:48,920
Um
>> That's their plan. At least that was my

2022
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:50,920
conversation with them last week. Yeah.
It's just taking them time.

2023
02:08:50,200 --> 02:08:55,760
» Okay.
>> Yeah.

2024
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:55,760
» Anything else?

2025
02:08:55,960 --> 02:09:02,640
» All right, we're ready to adjourn.
>> Move we adjourn.

2026
02:09:01,480 --> 02:09:03,720
» Second.
>> All in favor?

2027
02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:06,240
» Aye.
>> Aye.

2028
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:09,400
» We're done.
>> Thanks for coming.

2029
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:09,400
» Thank you.