1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:10,600 I want to go ahead and call the meeting to order 601 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,600 stand 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:20,640 to the flag of the United States of America and [snorts] to the republic for 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:26,680 it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,680 all. 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:37,920 » Mayor is on her way but she It's going to be a few minutes late 7 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:42,480 and before we do the consent agenda. >> Oh, excuse me. Go ahead. Go ahead. 8 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,040 » Gallagher >> here. 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,600 here. >> Page 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,600 » here 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:01:01,920 » there's a correction on the personnel agenda 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:06,880 before >> I I just I didn't want to waste the 13 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:12,080 paper for for a small change. So on the third line down where it says approve 14 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:17,280 the hire of hiring volunteer firefighter medic Alex Sheldrake. 15 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:22,080 He he is not going to be a volunteer. He is in fact a firefighter medic. So we 16 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:27,040 need to eliminate the the word volunteer and then after his name at $10 per call 17 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:32,720 we need to eliminate that. So it should read approval of hiring of firefire 18 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:36,360 medic Alex Sheldrake pending background check screen. 19 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:46,111 I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda with the modifications. 20 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:50,799 » Second. [snorts] 21 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,520 » Any discussion? >> Call. 22 00:01:52,479 --> 00:01:54,960 » Yes. >> Yes. 23 00:01:54,479 --> 00:01:57,040 » Yes. >> Page. 24 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,200 » Yes. >> Yes. 25 00:01:58,079 --> 00:02:03,159 » Yes. >> Yes. [clears throat] 26 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:03,159 » Yes. 27 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:16,640 » Okay. The mayor had comments under her section for sewer rates or sewer funds. 28 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:22,239 There was a letter in everybody's packet talking about this. 29 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:28,080 And in 2016, the board had received from their sewer 30 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:34,319 rate study that we start setting back 600 thou or $60,000 a year designated. 31 00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:39,599 It's still reserve funds out of the sewer funds, but saving them 32 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:45,120 specifically for sewer repair and replacement funds. Currently today, we 33 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:49,120 have all of the sewer reserve funds lumped together. 34 00:02:47,681 --> 00:02:52,480 [clears throat] And she would like to see 35 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:58,319 $780,000 of the sewer reserve fund, specifically 36 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:02,959 earmarked for the sewer repair and replacement fund. And that would still 37 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:07,599 leave, I think, $600,000 38 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:14,319 or $650,000 in the sewer reserve that could be for 39 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:20,560 salaries or anything else that we would need to take that out of. 40 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:25,519 So, do do you want to wait and talk about this a little more in the finance 41 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:29,760 section, Patrick? Or >> if if it's in the mayor's comments, I'm 42 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:33,360 more than I'm more than happy to entertain it here. Go ahead. 43 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:38,319 » Especially since she's asking for for for changes. Uh we've talked about this 44 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:44,879 before. Um when we were talking about the sewer rates and adjusting the rate 45 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:51,120 for the next uh year, we [snorts] we discussed the cost of replacing and 46 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:56,959 repairing uh the sewer lines. And the only the only difference that we are 47 00:03:53,519 --> 00:04:03,120 proposing now is to isolate those funds in a separate account. just kind of take 48 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:09,519 the total amount that we have saved up, dedicate some of them directly to repair 49 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:14,480 and replace and then uh do operational um expenses out of the primary section. 50 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,639 » Primary section of reserves. >> Yeah. 51 00:04:16,107 --> 00:04:20,720 [clears throat] >> So I'm supportive of it. There's a 52 00:04:18,479 --> 00:04:25,440 motion. I'm sorry. >> I was say so this is just creating the 53 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:30,160 new fund and taking the amount from the CDs 54 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:33,520 from the maturing CD and putting in there and then $60,000 at the end of the 55 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:37,840 year. Is that >> right? So everything that's in there now 56 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:43,199 would stay in there but it would be re like essentially renamed. Well, it 57 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:48,880 » a portion of it will be renamed and then we will contribute to that annually so 58 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:55,840 that that grows. And she did comment in here that when this was done in 2016 59 00:04:51,280 --> 00:05:00,800 that $60,000 annually was in 2016, not 2026. 60 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:07,680 So, we may need to look at that and adjust up down the road. 61 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:14,639 And I I I feel like I'm sorry. >> Let me just nail this down. Um when we 62 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:18,560 receive the the output from the sewer consultant, from the sewer rate 63 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:22,320 consultant, that will help gauge what our numbers will be going forward and 64 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:27,520 make sure we're on track and we'll adjust if necessary. But that's 65 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:33,759 continuing on with what our last recommendation was is is following what 66 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:38,800 this is. We can use this same structure dedicated RNR operational fund and just 67 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:42,720 adjust the amounts and the and the contribution amount to each one. 68 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:47,360 » Kim, sorry. >> Go ahead and I'll wrap up. 69 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:53,759 » Okay. Um, so I'm understanding correctly, um, these 70 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:58,560 are, um, right now this money is in CDs and the fund we'll be moving it to will 71 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,919 not be in CDs or are we going to keep this money in CDs or, you know, kind of 72 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,000 broken up within CDs? >> It will be in CDs. It's just designated 73 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,000 that this >> this bucket is for 74 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:14,400 just earmarking it, but it's not changing the way that we'll be 75 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,400 » interest or anything like that. anything like that. 76 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,479 » Thank you. >> So, we only have the Sorry, you were 77 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:25,039 going to >> Yeah, I just wanted to because the mayor 78 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:31,160 stated we're dealing with 2016. So, if we calculated to um current exchange, it 79 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:31,160 would be $83,477. 80 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:42,829 So that might need to be um a topic too of changing the 60,000 to actually meet 81 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:45,520 a 10year um yeah 10 years you know cost [clears throat] adjustment justice and 82 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:51,039 input. >> I think we look at that when we get the 83 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:56,800 full results back from what we're having done currently. But to go off of what 84 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:02,080 was recommended 10 years ago that the board never followed through with this. 85 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:07,199 This will catch us up to at least have money earmarked because as you can see 86 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:12,880 by the picture that Trump left on our desk that there's a sewer line issue 87 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:18,800 right now. It's not leaking or anything but it potentially could be. So we just 88 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:24,160 earmarking those monies. >> So just so I understand correctly. So we 89 00:07:20,479 --> 00:07:27,360 have 719,000. That's the total in the funded right 90 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,080 now. Or is that not? >> No, that's 91 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:36,440 » that's just in the CDs. >> She she text 92 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,440 the dollar figure. 93 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:44,479 » I think it'll leave about 600,000 because right now there's like 1.5 94 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:51,039 million or something reserve. >> Yeah. So, we're taking just over half of 95 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:54,879 it and earmarking it for repair and replacement. And 96 00:07:52,080 --> 00:08:00,400 » oh, so you're saying the 1.1 whatever million is in CDs? It is. Okay. Only 720 97 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,400 780 >> 719,000 98 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:10,479 » 780 designated for sewer repair. >> Okay. So, she wants to designate that 99 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:14,720 immediately. >> I thought she was saying 720 and then 100 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:18,879 60,000 in December. Okay. >> And also, I mean, during that 101 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:26,560 discussion, I think we should also make sure that we're padded for inflation 102 00:08:21,599 --> 00:08:31,680 moving forward. Um, and that um we can earmark it and and modify it if need be, 103 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:35,039 if there are any other emergencies that may pop up. 104 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:39,039 » Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And I know we'll address it when we start looking at the 105 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:44,560 budget for next year so that we can appropriately 106 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:49,120 move the correct amount. If I could just share a couple some 107 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:56,480 numbers with you. In 15 years, we've spent u around 80,000 108 00:08:53,680 --> 00:09:01,120 on repairs. Um 109 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:06,240 Ron and I are we're calculating 110 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:10,800 if you were to replace the whole sewer system in the city, 111 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:14,399 you'd be talking about like 16 to 20 billion. 112 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:19,920 » Um You have to keep in mind with that what drives the cost drastically on that 113 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:24,240 is a number of our sewers are underpavement and under sidewalk. 114 00:09:23,306 --> 00:09:28,640 [cough and clears throat] So you're not just digging in and replacing those 115 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:34,880 straight sewer pipe, you're replacing concrete and asphalt. Uh and then we 116 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:40,880 have a number of our sewer [snorts] line systems that are 117 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:45,519 off road and very awkward to get at in the woods on 118 00:09:43,839 --> 00:09:50,600 the street. [clears throat] So you got that comes. 119 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:59,200 So, I would entertain a motion if somebody wanted to make it to make 120 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:06,000 this change in the reserves. 121 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:10,640 » Yeah. I move that we designate uh 780,000 122 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:18,160 to a dedicated sewer repair replacement fund 123 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:24,760 as they become due in the the end. >> Second. 124 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Any further discussion? 125 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,320 » Call roll. >> Gallagher. 126 00:10:27,839 --> 00:10:29,839 » Yes. >> Caligan. 127 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:30,880 » Yes. >> Yes. 128 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,079 » Paige, >> yes. 129 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,519 » Scarboard, >> yes. 130 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:34,640 » Showers, >> yes. 131 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,680 » Olson, >> yes. 132 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:40,880 » Freeman, >> yes. 133 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:45,279 » Very good. Thank you. And no city attorney here. 134 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,720 Madam Mayor, you ready to take the chair? 135 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,440 » I'm ready. If you're at a place where we can 136 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:55,160 » Yep. We're getting ready to start public comments. So, 137 00:11:00,902 --> 00:11:06,040 [laughter] >> thank you very much. Yeah. 138 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,160 All right. 139 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:30,000 Thank you. All right. 140 00:11:27,839 --> 00:11:38,000 Uh, Pleasant Valley Firefighters Association Ground Zero Display. 141 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:42,320 Oh, good. I sound so official [laughter] just to trick us. 142 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:47,040 » Right. Okay. So, as you guys are aware, um, we have our 911 memorial um, in 143 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:51,040 place now. We added a piece two years ago, I think it was. I lost track of 144 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:54,720 time. I apologize. Um, we currently have, and I was going to print these 145 00:11:53,040 --> 00:12:00,959 off, it didn't happen. Sorry. So, I have them in a picture. I'll show you. We 146 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:07,200 currently have um a couple of large twisted pieces of steel 147 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:11,440 left that we've sat as an association and discuss on how can we get these out 148 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:15,680 front and display them versus sitting up in our mezzanine. So I'll show you guys 149 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:18,639 this photo if you want to look at that pass around and I'll show you the area 150 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:26,480 where we're thinking and what we want to do. As you'll see, they are large, 151 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:30,800 lengthy, uh, twisted rebar, angle iron. Um, and it mainly why they didn't go 152 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:35,600 inside the towers is they wouldn't fit safely or sizewise. So, um, the 153 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:40,720 association has gotten together and we've come up with the idea of outside 154 00:12:37,839 --> 00:12:45,200 of chief's um, window on the front entrance way. So, the sidewalk does this 155 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:49,760 and then we have the pavers that leads to the memorial. There's some bushes 156 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,800 like this and then there's a big empty space. And I was just talking to Chris. 157 00:12:51,440 --> 00:13:00,240 He's going to verify that it would be okay to do what we want to do there. Um 158 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:05,279 to uh pour a concrete pad approximately this space is right where I took that 159 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:10,480 picture. Um in the black mulch about 4T by six foot and lightly cover it with 160 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,160 some mulch so you don't really see the concrete pad like we did with the touch 161 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,680 and feel piece of history. And then we've got a couple of kings to work on 162 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:21,680 how we're going to actually anchor it to the concrete versus whether we use I've 163 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,160 looked at some things like they use for pool decks and where they'll screw in an 164 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:30,000 anchor and use a special tool. Um we really haven't had an issue with anybody 165 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:34,720 messing with the memorial and any of the metal. So I'm not too concerned with it, 166 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:38,959 but we will try to take um matters to make sure they're not sticky fingers to 167 00:13:36,959 --> 00:13:43,760 any means. But we like to place that metal like it's shown on a pad of 168 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:48,480 concrete in this space right outside of Chief's window um anchored to the ground 169 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:54,399 with a plaque similar to the one that is on the I-beam that you can touch out 170 00:13:51,040 --> 00:14:00,639 front that just has 343 represents just the firefighters side of things as the 171 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:04,079 entrance to our uh station. Um that is what we've come up with. I I know we've 172 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:07,360 kind of had a rolling, you know, kind of work with it project. this will be the 173 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:12,079 last little bit that needs to be on display. Um, and we're just kind of 174 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:17,760 looking for your input, thoughts, um, care, don't care. Um, but we just feel 175 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:21,760 bad that it's still sitting upstairs now 10 years. I mean, we've got a lot out 176 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:25,920 there, but you know, upstairs not being on display for us to remember that. And 177 00:14:24,079 --> 00:14:30,240 our goal is to hopefully get this done before this year's memorial so it's on 178 00:14:28,079 --> 00:14:34,560 display whether we have the plaque or not, but to have the metal at least 179 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,880 mounted out into the into the the U landscaping there. Um, pending whether 180 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:42,720 when Chris reviews there's nothing there. We don't think there is, but 181 00:14:40,959 --> 00:14:47,440 we'll double check before we go because we're not going to put anything but like 182 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:51,920 a 4 inch or a three and a half inch pad. Um, that's 4 foot by six foot. Just big 183 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,560 enough so the steel sits on it. And then, like I said, we'll recover it with 184 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:58,639 the mulch. So, it'll look just like the landscaping except the metal will be 185 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:03,360 there with a sign. So, >> I do have a question. Are these um still 186 00:15:00,959 --> 00:15:07,440 pieces associated with the 911? >> Yes, they're actual steel, structural 187 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:15,440 steel that was given to us by the port authority back in like 201 188 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:20,000 15 when uh the Robert Stinson, the old chief had uh applied for it that him and 189 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,560 his son drove down. Um, so that's why we're wanting to make sure we 190 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:27,519 incorporate it according to the agreement that was made with the Port 191 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:32,800 Authority and um, Chief Stson at the time. So, but they're so 192 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:36,480 twisted and hard up. We're like, man, what can we do with them? And it's going 193 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:40,079 to be kind of hard to put them in like different places and so we're just this 194 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:44,000 is what we come up with. We've kind of been pondering it over the year or so. 195 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Um Chris and I went up and twisted and turned and flipped the metal and kind of 196 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:51,920 like our goal is to make it look like a nine. There's a piece of steel and 197 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:56,959 another one that when they're set just right, it looks like a nine. So, um just 198 00:15:54,560 --> 00:16:01,120 kind of some sort of resemblance because it's it's how it came down. It's how it 199 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:05,839 was picked out of the the wreckage from that day. So, um that's what we'd like 200 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:10,560 to do that what we were hoping. I don't know if we need a motion or an okay or 201 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,519 what. Um last time we started the project we came to the board and I mean 202 00:16:12,686 --> 00:16:17,519 [clears throat] it was a lot bigger project and we did that but um we wanted 203 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:22,000 to make sure everybody's city was included in it since it's on the fire 204 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:24,720 department property and I mean we act like we run this place but yeah 205 00:16:23,821 --> 00:16:29,279 [laughter] um so if you guys have any input 206 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:34,399 questions I know the next um association meeting is September 207 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:40,079 whatever the first two Tuesday of next I think. Yeah, September 1st. Um, if we 208 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:43,199 have approval from you guys, um, we we may just go ahead and start on getting 209 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,279 the concrete poured this weekend because, like I said, we want to try to 210 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:50,560 get it in before the 11th, which is all things in fashion with this whole 211 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,759 project since we started is like few weeks or days before the moral. It's in 212 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,079 and done. Looks beautiful. >> Yeah. 213 00:16:54,160 --> 00:17:01,360 » So, um, that's kind of just how it's went. Um but uh if not then it'll be put 214 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:06,319 in after the 11th because we don't want to stir up a whole bunch of mess before 215 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:12,559 the the 11th. So >> okay. Um you do you do need a motion 216 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:18,240 since it's on city property. So um 217 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,919 I'd entertain a motion. I'll make a motion that the city allow the fire 218 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:24,319 department >> association 219 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,356 » the fire association >> association 220 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:31,440 » along with our firefighters [clears throat] to continue with this 221 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:36,200 memorial to complete using the material we were given. 222 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,200 » Okay. 223 00:17:36,527 --> 00:17:38,547 » [laughter] 224 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:46,200 » Is there any other discussion questions about this? 225 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:53,039 » Dean. >> Yeah, it'll be a plaque. That'll be the 226 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:57,600 black with the steel that says just 343. As simple as that. Nothing more 227 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:01,280 elaborate, but to remember as you enter the the facility, you know, this the 228 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:06,080 medalist remind us every day of how things changed and what happened on that 229 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:13,360 day. So, it'll just be a 343 plaque that will be placed. So, 230 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:17,360 » um, just as a question, I I'm not sure I don't I don't know if I was here when 231 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:20,080 this project was Yeah. kind of started. >> I think you live in the city. I don't 232 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:25,919 think you it was long. >> Um, but is there anything else that they 233 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:30,640 will need from the board as far as like budget or anything like that? Um when we 234 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:36,720 first started, even prior to my involvement, the the association had um 235 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:42,160 fundraised t-shirts, coins, we still sell coins to support the maintenance 236 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:46,612 and routine use, you know, or not use, but painting and you know, mulch, you 237 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:50,720 know, when we can't beg it out of Chris, [laughter] 238 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:54,559 but um to maintain it. Um we have the funds currently to buy the couple bags 239 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:58,720 of concrete. I was going to talk to Chris about maybe borrowing some of the 240 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:02,799 concrete stakes because I've got lumber. Um, we've been really blessed the whole 241 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,840 project where the community's kind of heard about it. The firefighters, the 242 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:09,600 chiefs have heard about it. Matter of fact, the day we poured the new pad for 243 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:14,640 the sign that's on the corner because the poles busted over a really, really 244 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:18,160 strong winter. It didn't move a spring summer day, it just kind of fell over. 245 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,679 We poured a new concrete pad. I had two chiefs out there helping me dig it up. 246 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:24,799 And then I had to go to work and two of Chris's guys actually happened to be 247 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,080 able to meet Northwind because they're like, "Hey, when we get a little extra 248 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:32,559 concrete, we'll just come up and dump it." And was it Randy or it was the 249 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,280 older guy that used to work for you, >> right? 250 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,919 » Rodney and his partner actually went up and finished the concrete because I 251 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:42,000 couldn't get back when the concrete was coming. So, like, it's been a really 252 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:46,480 group effort from everybody um to do it. So, we like we said, we're we're 253 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,200 constantly just trying to make sure we put our best efforts for that. So 254 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,120 » awesome. >> Um we actually I don't know if Chief's 255 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:59,600 going to talk about it, but last week um Chief Kudson, myself, um Chris Grant and 256 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:04,480 the duty crew was interviewed by uh another news station, 257 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:08,480 » PBS channel 19. Yeah, PBS um a newspaper and he's going to be doing an article um 258 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:12,559 on it um that he's been doing around because he went to the 259 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:19,440 uh memorial that they had down at Liberty uh memorial with a big traveling 260 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:23,200 beam that they had on display where KCFD and a lot of others got together two 261 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:27,360 weeks ago I think it was and so someone had mentioned hey have you seen Pleasant 262 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:31,600 Valley's memorial and and so he contacted got information we got 263 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:35,360 together and sit down so um so we're just looking continue that that J 264 00:20:33,919 --> 00:20:39,760 because one of his biggest questions is to us is do we feel that society and 265 00:20:38,159 --> 00:20:45,840 generations are slowly forgetting about 911 and yeah it is so this is kind of 266 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:49,440 our push to continue to uh integrate this I don't know if we'll get any 267 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:53,200 scouts involved in this little project that we have I don't know what Chris 268 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:57,440 Grant has up his sleeve some days he like like hey by the way I'm like okay 269 00:20:55,039 --> 00:21:01,840 cool but at this point this will just be something that we'll try to get done 270 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:05,679 just because of the time frame So, but it'll get the rest of that steel um put 271 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:11,760 put out on display. So, >> okay. Any other questions? 272 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,880 » All right. Call the RO. >> Caligan, 273 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,559 » yes. >> Caligan, 274 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,520 » yes. >> Yes. 275 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,559 » Paige, >> yes. 276 00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:17,679 » Scar, >> yes. 277 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,840 » Showers, >> yes. 278 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:24,520 » Yes. >> Yes. 279 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,520 » Okay. 280 00:21:25,124 --> 00:21:27,144 » [snorts] 281 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:33,480 » Any other public comments that I don't have in front of me? 282 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,880 » Alderman comments. 283 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:42,280 Old business. 284 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:53,039 » Okay. Administration. U had had a written report. The only two 285 00:21:48,960 --> 00:22:01,120 items um that may require discussion are also on the agenda later as ordinances 286 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:05,600 the uh sewer rate study and the new copier agreement. So if anybody has 287 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:10,679 questions about that they can ask them now or when they come forward as 288 00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:10,679 ordinances. 289 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,600 » What about the property tax hearing? Is that scheduled? 290 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:22,720 » It's not scheduled because I don't have I don't have the I don't have the 291 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:27,200 information. I mean, we can we can schedule it, but I I hesitate to 292 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:30,000 schedule it until I have the information. 293 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:34,640 » Well, I just I don't want to get in the jam, not have enough time to get it 294 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:40,720 properly posted before the hearing. >> Lots of times we have to have a special 295 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:46,320 election or a special council meeting in order to get this accomplished. So, 296 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:50,000 » okay. So, long as it stays on. >> Oh, yes. 297 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:53,760 So the information that we're waiting on is in that sentence that says the notice 298 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:58,880 for the hearing must include the assessed valuation by category of real 299 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:02,320 personal and other tangible property, the amount of revenue required to be 300 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,760 provided from the property taxes set forth in the annual budget. Tax rates 301 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:10,000 proposed to be set for the various purposes of taxation. The increase in 302 00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:13,280 tax revenue due to an increase in assessed value as a result of new 303 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,960 construction and improvement and the increase both in dollar value and 304 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:20,799 percentage. That's that block that was a lot longer sentence than I thought it 305 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:24,320 was going to be. Start with [laughter] that that block is what we're awaiting 306 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:30,000 information on. Correct. >> Who are we waiting that on that 307 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:36,400 information from? The county. Do they have any timetable to give it to us or 308 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:40,799 just sometime before September 1st? >> They they always give it in, but it is 309 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:46,960 almost always in my experience is almost always estimates a special. So, so what 310 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:50,159 you're saying is be prepared for a lastm minute 311 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:54,360 » special board meeting before September 1st. 312 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,360 » Okay. 313 00:23:54,559 --> 00:24:00,799 » It's not, you know, it's not. [snorts] [laughter] 314 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:04,240 » That's the only question I have. Thank you. 315 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:07,360 » Sorry. Okay, 316 00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:12,159 that's it. >> That was simple question. 317 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:17,279 » Fire department. Simple. >> Simple. Hey, [laughter] 318 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:25,440 » you make up then. >> So, yeah, I did provide a 319 00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:29,080 report for this uh meeting. Um, you have questions on that. 320 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:41,760 If not, uh, I'm sure you're probably aware we did have a houseire on Bren 321 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:50,159 Lane, uh, over the weekend. Um I will provide a report for that uh uh when all 322 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:56,000 of it when it's all completed and so either next meeting or the meeting after 323 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:58,000 when I do my board report that that uh information will be available for you on 324 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,200 that. >> Was that just contained to that one 325 00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:06,080 house? >> Yes. 326 00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:10,640 » Okay. But it was it was it was it was significant. Didn't get into the the 327 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:14,000 attic. If you driven by there, you know, you 328 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:20,240 know, there's there's a hole in the roof. So, 329 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:25,640 I mean, it was definitely significant damage. I'm sure the house might be 330 00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:33,400 passed today and they're trying to get everything out in the yard out way. 331 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:41,679 Well, and and you know the smoke ruins everything. So, 332 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:47,039 » how many um police department or fire departments responded to that? 333 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:52,720 » So, we had Clay on the initial. We also had Kansas City. Um, 334 00:25:51,120 --> 00:26:00,240 and >> I I was actually I was out of town, so I 335 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:03,200 did not make it, but it was just 336 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:08,159 » Were there people inside at that point? >> The homeowner was attempting to 337 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:12,559 extinguish it with a garden hose. >> Oh, okay. 338 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,320 » So, uh, again, I'll I'll have everything uh 339 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,480 » All right. [clears throat] spelled out for you. 340 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:25,200 Yeah. So, there was there was an issue with uh with ammunition in in the 341 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:32,240 residence. So, it was it was a interesting fire. 342 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:36,120 » No injuries. No injuries that 343 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:49,120 » great. Thank you. >> Oh, I do have one. So, uh uh not at 911. 344 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:54,320 So, we are planning on doing a ceremony on that day. So, that's Friday morning. 345 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:59,440 Uh I'm going to say 9:00 is our start time. 346 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:07,360 I think that's what we did last year, but I'll I'll send something out. Uh I 347 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:14,080 would uh invite the uh board to attend. Um it's a it's a short uh it's a short 348 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:18,720 uh ceremony. We'll retire that flag that's flown over the memorial for the 349 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:24,520 year and and put up new. 350 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,520 » Yes, 351 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:30,200 » thank you. 352 00:27:32,159 --> 00:27:41,360 » Jennifer, is it sorry is it your feeling that we will have um news media there? 353 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:46,880 there's a strong possibility, especially being the 25th anniversary. Um, I can't 354 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:52,559 think of a year we haven't had some sort of news coverage um come in and and do 355 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:56,640 some speed uh pieces with us. So, >> so it's probably a good thing to 356 00:27:55,120 --> 00:28:01,039 encourage uh residents to come up as well. 357 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:04,880 » Yeah, >> we'll we will make that happen. 358 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:09,840 » I will I will put it in the flyer. >> Okay. and we'll probably ask this um 359 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,600 civic center to put it on the board. So >> that'll be fun. 360 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:17,840 » And just to clarify the time, I think since the last bell ring event is at 361 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:23,240 9:27 central time, I think we are starting at 362 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,240 9:30. 363 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:31,159 » All right, Jared, you're next. 364 00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:31,159 » Okay, 365 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:34,440 » your turn. 366 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:44,720 uh provided you with the car report in your packet and pretty busy month. 367 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:51,600 Any questions on that? Okay. Uh you saw that in finance we got 368 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,919 some grant reimbursement coming. I was also just notified that we received the 369 00:28:53,919 --> 00:29:02,399 2027 MODOT grant. uh that will be $7,000 for 370 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:10,159 reimbursement for officer over time to enforce traffic. So that's another 371 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:16,159 overtime possibility for officer to get. Um and then 372 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:20,559 um I know flock was brought up at the last meeting. 373 00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:27,760 Um, so I was going to provide some information for you. Uh, but a lot of it 374 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:35,159 is in the packet, including our um, our policy, some um, features that we do or 375 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,159 don't have 376 00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:44,880 and also the Flock contract that we signed and the terms and conditions. a 377 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:49,200 couple of stuff from Flock website that kind of 378 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:54,559 explain um what Flock system does, their 379 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:59,919 operating system, retention periods. Um but I'll also hit on it um a little bit 380 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:08,080 myself. Um, first I think there's 381 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:15,679 society as a whole has come to read something on the internet and take it as 382 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:20,559 truth in the gospel and and run with it without ever scrutinizing it or seeing 383 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,880 if there's any truth to it whatsoever. And I think a lot of this where it's 384 00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:28,720 coming from um is people that don't know the truth or what actually flock does. 385 00:30:28,126 --> 00:30:34,640 » [clears throat] >> Um, they don't use facial recognition. 386 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:39,279 They don't have Bluetooth. They're not listening in our conversations. They 387 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:44,880 don't take live stream video. We can't log in there and because a lot of them 388 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:50,080 um are put near like daycare centers or parks or whatever. We can't log in there 389 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:55,679 and see a live screen shot and watch the kids play. Um, 390 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:59,679 » sorry. I apologize right there. >> My intention is not to not to pause you 391 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:04,240 over time, but that that's a it's a key sentence there. 392 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:10,159 » Um the the research that's been done show that the official accessing methods 393 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:16,559 do not allow for live streaming. However, there are instances where those 394 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:20,159 live streams can be obtained through security vulnerabilities that have not 395 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,679 been patched within the system. you talking from law enforcement agencies or 396 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,399 not from from third parties. >> Okay. So they hack into the system. 397 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:30,559 » Yes. Okay. Yes. >> Yeah. There there's been data breaches. 398 00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:35,919 Um any technology can have a data breach. Um so they obviously need to 399 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:40,320 improve their software. So it's harder to do that. Um it's the same way with 400 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:44,559 with the argument that officers are going to abuse the system. That can 401 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:48,159 happen. I can go downstairs and abuse the systems we have right now. It 402 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:53,360 doesn't mean I'm going to do it. Um, and we need to hold those people accountable 403 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:58,399 that do that. Um, and and I think we will. Um, [clears throat] but it's not 404 00:31:56,159 --> 00:32:03,919 going to happen. So, uh, another big one is is they're 405 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:10,159 selling our data to big surveillance companies. Um, Flock says it's not. I 406 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:14,240 have no proof that says that they are. Um, 407 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:18,720 we own our own data. It's stored on their servers. it gets deleted after 30 408 00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:22,000 days. Um, Flock actually just came out with a new security deal where they're 409 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:25,840 going to recommend [clears throat] and set it to 7 days. We will go along with 410 00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:33,919 that. We're going to change ours to 7 days. Um, right now we share with 143 411 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:39,840 agencies in the state of Missouri. Um, we have restricted uh searches into our 412 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:46,600 data um to agencies in the state of Missouri. So, nobody from outside the 413 00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:46,600 state can search our data. Um, 414 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:53,919 to access the system, you have to have dual authentication. You log in, it 415 00:32:51,600 --> 00:33:00,720 sends a a thing to my phone where I have to prove it's me and put in a code. I 416 00:32:55,919 --> 00:33:05,440 log in and then it has a notice of to yourself that you're accessing possible 417 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:14,480 CJS information and you're to use it appropriately per policy by law. Um, 418 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:20,240 so recently in the LA since March, um, we've used it to identify a shooting 419 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:25,760 suspect. Um, stolen auto that actually Clay Como picked up and pursued it and 420 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:31,840 and arrested a driver. Um, a hit and run accident. um we identified the suspect 421 00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:36,559 two weekends ago and then we had a felony domestic assault with the ramming 422 00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:40,799 of the vehicle and that's how we caught it and figured out who it was and it 423 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:48,159 showed really great evidence um to help prosecute him with two felonies. Um so 424 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:53,360 it is good that it is a tool that lets us develop leads with very limited 425 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:58,559 information leads that we wouldn't have unless we had the lock system. It's a 426 00:33:56,159 --> 00:34:05,039 tool on our duty belt that we can wear and use um 427 00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:10,399 legally. Um and I don't believe it is a violation of 428 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:14,079 the Fourth Amendment. You're driving on a public roadway. The license plate 429 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:17,520 that's on your car belongs to the state of Missouri, not you. I don't know if 430 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,960 you knew that or not. The driver's license that you carry belongs to the 431 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:24,480 state of Missouri. Okay? That's why we can take those things from you when you 432 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:28,639 violate it all. when you when you get a PWI and you don't want to blow in the 433 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:32,800 breath for us, we take your license and send it back to the state of Missouri. 434 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:38,159 So, I think there's a lot of stuff going around that is just 435 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:43,679 being blown away out of proportion the system. Is there a possibility that this 436 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:48,800 could be misused and them doing something with our our data that we 437 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:53,119 don't know about? Of course. But if if they do that and it gets leaked, this 438 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:57,760 business has done it and it will get leaked at some point as they're doing 439 00:34:54,639 --> 00:35:02,320 it. So I don't I don't see a reason, if you were even thinking about it, to um 440 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:07,200 get rid of this contract or get rid of the license plate readers. I think it's 441 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:12,400 a great tool. Um that's obviously going to be your decision. 442 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:16,000 You're the board. Um I'm not for that and I'll stand by it until I find out 443 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:20,800 otherwise. Um, how do you have how many instances 444 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:26,079 we have used the license plate? >> Yeah. Uh, so like I said, our data gets 445 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:31,839 deleted after 30 days. So I did a 30-day search. 446 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:35,359 I think we used it we searched 32 times. No, 52 times 447 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,599 » in a month. >> In a month. And I believe it was 34 of 448 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:43,839 those searches were for three different cases. So bulk of them were just for 449 00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:49,680 those three cases. we switched up how we searched the vehicle multiple times and 450 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:55,599 and so most of them was for three days so we don't use it very often. Um now 451 00:35:52,960 --> 00:36:01,119 ours before we switched it to just the state of Missouri our network because 452 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:05,359 they're all intertwined. So let's say sheriff's office out of Texas wants 453 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:09,200 access to our stuff we deny or accept them. So once they do a search and they 454 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,359 search all of their agencies they've shared data with it hits on ours. So, 455 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,359 they're not specifically looking at ours. It's just searching the network 456 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:20,400 that they're tied in with. Um, but it was used quite a bit and I don't have 457 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:26,720 that number in front of me. If I believe it's 10 or somewhere, but it it was a 458 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:32,720 lot. I'm talking like 500,000. Um, but that's nationwide. And you got 459 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:37,040 to think there's 570,000 law enforcement officers in this 460 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:42,800 country. So, that's less than one per officer per month. 461 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:48,240 Where are our cameras at again? [snorts] >> Well, we still don't have one up. That's 462 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:51,760 another thing. Um, so Flock is um not going to charge us this year and I 463 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:57,520 haven't seen a bill for this year, but um there's one going at 69 highway by 464 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:03,040 Rava. There's one at North Church and 76 465 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:11,560 Street. There's one right in front of Quick Trip. And there's one on close 466 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,560 together. Is that five? 467 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,160 » We will have five. Right now we have four. 468 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:23,040 » And what's happening with the the fifth one? We don't have the equipment yet. 469 00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:29,839 » Well, that was the longest piece. And now MDOT has changed the way they've 470 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,480 done these request. So a guy's called me like two or three different times says 471 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:35,920 he's coming out to do the inspection because you got to market and do all 472 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:43,920 that stuff and I never hear back from him. It's never been in place. So 473 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:48,960 » from an HR standpoint does everybody who has access to flock in your department 474 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:55,119 and any other department is there a policy as far as the ramifications for 475 00:37:51,680 --> 00:38:01,680 misuse? Um there is when you sign a C just um 476 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:06,079 notification I guess or or usage agreement I guess with C just when you 477 00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:09,119 when you get your mules access um you you do sign something that I mean if 478 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:13,200 it's a felony you can get thrown in jail. 479 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:21,920 » So that covers any >> any access to this information. We also 480 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:29,240 have a a a alpr policy. I don't think it necessarily states in there 481 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,240 um what could happen. 482 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,440 » You should have put tabs on yourself. I know 483 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,880 kind of ALPR information gathered and retained by this department may be used 484 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:53,320 and shared with prosecutors or other others only as per law. 485 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:04,480 Uh one thing our policy needs to be buffed out and Mr. Galler pointed this 486 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:10,560 out that um all it says in our audit about audits says our policy about 487 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:15,359 audits uh is says they should be conducted on a regular basis. 488 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:19,520 » That probably beefed up a little bit. Um I'll probably change that to be once a 489 00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:25,680 month. So first a month I'll just run an audit and see what activity we have on 490 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:30,160 there. near the gap in 491 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:38,560 um all of our officers do have access to this. Um and our dispatch supervisor, 492 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:44,880 the other dispatchers do not. So on that on that vein, I I would like 493 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:51,440 to see a [snorts] standardized format that we follow whereby we look 494 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:57,839 pulling an audit report off the system, I don't think goes far enough. 495 00:39:54,720 --> 00:40:02,480 tying those individual queries to a case, making sure that they're relevant 496 00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:09,200 to the case that they're actually tied to that case, timely, relevant. um I 497 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:16,640 think is is is important because use of the system can be 498 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,920 I'm not gonna say fudged but if it asks for a case number you can put a case 499 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,760 number in but then determining whether that query was relevant I think is 500 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:27,440 really important to to help ensure that the queries are actually relevant to 501 00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:34,000 that case and so having I think your policy says the the patrol captain uh 502 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:39,680 performing this um using a standardized form whereby they they look through 503 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:45,280 through the autolog determining who, what, where, when, and why the the big 504 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:49,599 questions and then ensuring that they are relevant to each individual case. 505 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:58,000 You said it was three cases for the last 52 or 30 days, 52 searches. Um, it 506 00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:01,760 shouldn't be that that difficult. I do appreciate that you're they're going to 507 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:07,520 recommend doing it on on a monthly basis. That's a good cadence. Um, and 508 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:11,920 then it's just the end of that audit is kind of a verification of yes, our use 509 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:17,200 of the block system, our officer's use of the system has been consistent with 510 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:23,280 policies, it has been relevant to cases, stuff like that. Is that is that the is 511 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:28,640 that your goal for that audit? >> I mean, it's it sounds very intensive to 512 00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:32,560 me. Um, all this is doing is taking a picture of 513 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,240 a car and a license plate. It's not taking a picture of the person. It's not 514 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:41,200 searching the person. The system does nothing besides take a picture until we 515 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:47,200 tell it to do something. And then all it does is pull up that picture and give a 516 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:51,440 date and time and location. That's all it does. It's not taking a picture and 517 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,280 tracking where you're going out to eat or where you're going to church or 518 00:41:53,040 --> 00:42:01,200 anything like that. It takes a picture of your car on public road. So, I mean, 519 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:07,680 I guess we can if that's what your request is. Um, but to me, it seems very 520 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:12,079 I don't want to say waste of time because like you said, I mean, it can be 521 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:16,480 misused >> and and it has been like there there 522 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:22,640 there's been over what 20 cases of law enforcement officers around the nation 523 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:27,040 who have used the search function in nonrelevant non-law enforcement. It 524 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,839 hasn't been >> I don't know. 525 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:35,040 » I guarantee you there's probably two or three times that have been arrested for 526 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:38,079 whatever reason doing other things on our systems that they weren't supposed 527 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:45,119 to in the same amount of time, but you're not hearing about why. 528 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:49,839 But why why this all of a sudden? >> All I'm saying is that any system that 529 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:54,400 can that contain CGI just like mules mules is very regulated. This also needs 530 00:42:52,640 --> 00:43:01,440 to be regulated. And I think that's the level of an audit that we do require of 531 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:06,240 a system that that we use. Not that it takes our pictures. I don't care about 532 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:12,560 my data. I care about how others could use that data to paint a picture of a 533 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:19,920 person's habits of a person's destinations of their their habits. It's 534 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:24,880 it's how the system is used on people that not how flock use it. That's a 535 00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:28,400 that's a bigger question. We're not going to figure out the answer 536 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,720 as you know put on Pleasant Valley. Don't don't take don't take those words 537 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,599 wrong. We're not Kansas City. We we're we're a fairly small department with 538 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:39,280 five cameras. And I want to make sure that our officers are using the tools in 539 00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:43,760 the right way. We're not teasing people's faces. 540 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:47,839 We are using the ALPRs in a way that is consistent with our policies. And an 541 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:53,280 audit, I think, is really important to make sure that that commitment is being 542 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:58,720 upheld. It might take some time. It takes some effort. But tying queries to 543 00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:03,599 active cases or closed cases, I think is really important. 544 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:08,240 » What available fields are there in the software for inputs, notes, that sort of 545 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:16,079 thing. If there's anything I don't >> say anything about car uh color um make 546 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:21,760 model license plate um if there's any I think there's an open one you could type 547 00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:27,119 in like it has a can't say royal sticker in the back or the bottom right window 548 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:32,800 that's that's you put it out anything you want it's like as detailed as the 549 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:37,839 color is. So putting something pretty simple like this is the case and this is 550 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:43,359 why I'm looking at this specific one would that kind of 551 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,440 » like a journal entry. So, so the case numbers are there. That's not the 552 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,040 question. >> A little bit more, 553 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:54,000 » but it's it's it's on a on a regular basis. Once once you have the 554 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:58,640 operational distance from the case, you're you're not stopping to do an 555 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:04,240 audit in the middle of of a of a police chase. 556 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:09,520 Within the month, you're you're going back to that case, hit and run. Hey, we 557 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:14,160 we we got out. We talked to the guys who were involved. said it was a 2005 red 558 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:18,640 cander with license plate that ends in XYZ. 559 00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:23,520 » So it's it's the Y portion of who, what, where, when, and why. 560 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:30,960 » Yeah. And and having a a supervisory level person go to that case and say, 561 00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:35,520 "Yes, this query for a red Camry is relevant. Yes, this query for the ending 562 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,920 of a license plate was relevant to it because that person on scene said this." 563 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:44,319 tying all of those queries back to the relevance and not surreptitiously 564 00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:49,839 throwing in, oh, I'm going to call this a search off of this case number, but 565 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:53,520 it's actually for 2002 Dodge Caravan that my wife's driving. You get what I'm 566 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:58,800 saying? >> Okay. I don't want Pleasant Valley to I 567 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:03,920 It's a tool. It can be used with responsibility. I don't want it to be on 568 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:07,520 yet another list of law enforcement officers misusing it. 569 00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:11,760 » So, Chief, I have several questions. one with this um when you pull the 570 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:16,240 information um does it automatically like give you 571 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,359 like a title and you can add your comments or something like that or like 572 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,319 you just said >> when you do the search 573 00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:27,520 » yeah when you do the search can you do what I'm thinking I'm thinking you could 574 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:32,240 have a field so to not make additional work that's what I hear you don't want 575 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:37,440 the extra work when you're trying to protect the city but if there's some way 576 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:42,720 I don't know if can do it just add like officer this time x y and z and then you 577 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:48,240 could type it in right then just an idea. Um and then I had a question about 578 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:56,800 um your email that was sent from flock on August 13, 2026. You mentioned um 579 00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:01,920 uh the Okay. Today we are updating our recommendation and default to a 7-day 580 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:07,280 retention and introducing evidence mode. And since um your your goal and what I 581 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,720 heard and let me know if I've I've understood what you're what you're going 582 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:16,560 to do, you're going to do an audit once a month. But I guess my question if it's 583 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:21,440 only a 7-day retention, how would you do an audit once a month? I I just want to 584 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:25,760 make sure I understood. >> Yeah. I guess yeah, if we left it to 30 585 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:30,079 days, I mean, you would have to do it every week if you would do seven days. 586 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:33,359 » Yeah. um that evidence dealer talking about from what I understand and I 587 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:37,040 haven't seen it yet is [clears throat] it's kind of like what you do with our 588 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:42,319 body cameras or or incar cameras you can lock it so when a retention period comes 589 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:46,560 out it doesn't delete it so like a DWI that we want to say for you know five 590 00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:51,599 years it doesn't ever delete until that fiveyear retention is um a normal 591 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,480 warning traffic stop deletes every every 30 days 592 00:47:52,640 --> 00:48:00,880 » so is there any way you could confirm that how that works so that when the 593 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:04,720 simple mention implementation of the 7-day retention, you have that 594 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:08,400 option that you mentioned. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're not going to 595 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,720 change it to seven until we are positive and everything in mind 596 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:19,280 » and that's what we want to do, but that's that's what I'm looking to go to. 597 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:23,280 » Speaking of data retention, so the the the data retention is not for audit 598 00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:28,319 data. It's not it's not a log data. We're not they're not going to delete 599 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:33,280 queries log data after 7 days, but the image of the vehicle, the the detection 600 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:38,559 of the vehicle, if it's not flagged in a case or not downloaded to our server, it 601 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:43,680 would expire after 7 days. But if a search was conducted on that vehicle or 602 00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:48,319 on that VIN or not a VIN, but on that license plate, 603 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:51,920 then the record of it lives way longer than the seven days. 604 00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:54,400 » That's not what I've found out. >> That's where When I can only do my 605 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,040 search >> this search. 606 00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:00,720 » When I can only do my search for what was searched 607 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,440 » for 30 days. >> That's scary. Okay. Yeah. Let's let's do 608 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:08,480 some research. >> Yeah. We need to do some research and so 609 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:13,760 that as the chief and and leader of the police department that we know and and 610 00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:18,960 we know how to support you, how to move forward. I think that'd be really good 611 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:26,480 to know what what's going on with that. >> Because Kansas City is much larger than 612 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:33,680 us, would they not have more access to 613 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:37,839 information regarding all of this? >> I don't think so. as far as like the 614 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:41,119 retention period and stuff. >> That's all the questions that we're 615 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:45,839 asking. >> Um, 616 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:49,359 » um, I would start I would start there. Kansas City is not one on the rules. 617 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,720 » Yeah. >> Any other city? Kansas City does not 618 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,520 follow most rules. >> I don't know if they have flock. I think 619 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,160 they were getting them, but I don't know if they've been implemented yet. Why is 620 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:04,839 that? >> So is there like 621 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,839 » blue springs? 622 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:13,520 » Everybody around here, >> but they're still smaller as small as us 623 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:16,400 kind of. Would a cult St. Louis benefit us? 624 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:21,359 » I don't think St. Louis is going to be any better than Kansas City probably. 625 00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:25,920 Well, >> well, I guess I 626 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:32,319 » follow up on first what the mayor was just saying. I I don't feel that we have 627 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:36,319 any lack of information. Like there's nothing that we don't seem to have 628 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:39,839 access to. So like I'm not quite sure what St. Louis or Kansas City like what 629 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:45,680 kind of information like we have all of the policy, all of their standard 630 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:49,280 practice, our standard practice. So, um I I don't see 631 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:53,280 » Well, for example, if we want to go from 30 days to 7 days 632 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:59,200 » and we want to be able to keep that retention for seven days, is there 633 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:04,559 something out there that will allow us to do that or is that being checked in 634 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:08,800 the background and they haven't brought it forward? That's what I'm looking for. 635 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,119 » I would think, sorry, >> I assume that'd be a flop question. 636 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:15,920 » That was exactly what I was going to say. I think those questions would 637 00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:20,640 probably be best um for Flock and for the company. So if we say we want to do 638 00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:24,720 an audit for 30 days but only retain the data for 7 days, is that something that 639 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,760 you can do? How and I think that would be more of a 640 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,920 » because Spock would be able to tell us what their system is capable of. Yeah, 641 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:36,800 » that's what I was getting at with the statements from the email that we need 642 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:42,720 to do some more research and ask questions that pertain um for data 643 00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:46,800 management as well as if there's a way that you can add comments. So, when 644 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:50,559 you're doing your search, you don't have to come back and do an audit because you 645 00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:55,440 already have the police officer's name, the date, the the five questions that I 646 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,240 usually asked. But I think if you if you do the comment section, you're still 647 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,640 going to run back to it. >> I mean, somebody just put in still lie 648 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:08,880 about it. You know, >> and I got to go back. I think I think to 649 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:15,200 addressing um a followup for what Pat said um about 650 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:20,240 what our audit looks like of this system and what he kind of mentioned as kind of 651 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:24,720 beefing up that audit. And then I think I kind of agree with where the chief is 652 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:29,280 at. Maybe it makes sense for us to look at what are the current systems we have 653 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:36,960 in place for auditing other systems that our city or police use because I think 654 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:42,400 what's feels unfair right now is that we have tons of systems in place where we 655 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:46,880 have data is stored on servers. That's part of the nature of digitizing like 656 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:51,359 now city records are kept digitally. people can then hack that information 657 00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:55,359 and access people's private information, but that's the nature of things move to 658 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,839 digital rather than just paper copies. And there's securities in that too 659 00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:03,040 because people can come and steal paper copies as well. So I mean um I think 660 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:07,599 maybe the greater question here is not just hey block this has a lot of 661 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:11,520 attention so let's add this crazy audit process for this one system that we use 662 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:15,280 but then it's not it's not anywhere near the 663 00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:19,359 auditing that we do for other systems. like why why is it that this one system 664 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:25,839 just because of attention in media or internet is now having us spend tons of 665 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:28,480 hours on auditing and whatever it is where I think it probably makes sense 666 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,960 for us to kind of mirror policies that are already in place for other systems. 667 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:37,359 I don't know if you know there is a difference in obviously this system 668 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:40,640 versus other systems that we have but maybe that's a good place to start so we 669 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:50,319 can kind of mirror policy rather than like let's make an entirely new process 670 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:55,119 for this level of of um data what would that be called retention versus other 671 00:53:53,520 --> 00:54:00,160 data retention that we have in place already. 672 00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:04,800 So I mean another thing going on if there are already systems that 673 00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:10,400 complement block or anything else that we're using and it could be attached to 674 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:15,040 a system that's already in our infrastructure. That could be one way of 675 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,480 resolving it. And I don't know it and that could be a question that you could 676 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:24,240 ask Flock. Is there any integrated software that could work with their 677 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:29,280 system with your current um system? Yeah, Flet right now is a standalone. 678 00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:36,319 You can do add-ons like I think I put in there copies of add-ons you could do. 679 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:39,960 » Um I don't think our RMS system was one of them. 680 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,960 » Okay. 681 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:50,400 » Anything else? On a flock good note, several years ago, 682 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:56,880 I had a family member member with dementia get a hold of car keys and take 683 00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:01,599 off in a car and flock wasn't as widely used as it is now. I mean, there weren't 684 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:06,640 as many systems up, but it directed us to path to look for this family member. 685 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:11,440 » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's lots of of feel-good stories out there about flock. 686 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:18,480 Uh last week, Beloo Springs, I believe, found a um an Amber Alert. 687 00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:24,720 suspect and victim on I70 using the FL system. 688 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:31,760 It it has it's it's a good tool, but I I can see some worries about it, but not 689 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:35,079 the way it's been in my 690 00:55:35,298 --> 00:55:41,200 [clears throat] >> I've got a couple other questions. I'll 691 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:49,040 try to keep these short short >> surprise me. [laughter] 692 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:54,480 Um on the email it flock mentions a new feature that they are rolling out office 693 00:55:51,359 --> 00:56:00,480 filtering for sharing. When that is available for us can you provide our 694 00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:05,200 settings? >> On the first page 695 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:09,599 a paragraph right above accountability says we are also introducing offense 696 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,960 filtering for sharing. Now cities can choose which types of 697 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,920 offenses are permissible for other agencies to access their cameras. 698 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:20,799 » Gotcha. >> So when that feature is available, can 699 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:24,480 we can we see what it is currently set to and discuss our implementation 700 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:29,119 support? >> Yeah. 701 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:36,040 » Okay. Um sorry, I just got this for right before this meeting. So I I have a 702 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,040 couple other things. Um 703 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:44,960 I will point out on page two third paragraph it says in July 2025 we 704 00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:52,880 introduce an optional case code requirement for searches which we see in 705 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:57,440 the uh and in the audit log there there's a column where you can put like 706 00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:00,799 CR numbers or CY numbers and then we also have like internal city case 707 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:05,599 numbers as well. I think the difference is once it's in like case or something. 708 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:09,599 I don't I don't know the rules around that, but I do see actual case numbers. 709 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:13,440 I see what looks like city case numbers and then I also see like crash pursuit 710 00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:17,680 or hey, we don't we don't have a case number yet, but I need to look this up. 711 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:22,960 » So, we don't make that a requirement right now for one of two reasons. Well, 712 00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:29,839 one reason. Um, for example, 713 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:36,880 a child was hit with a car, a blade down there by Park two weeks ago. Um, 714 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:41,359 pulled the kid out from underneath the car, put him back in the car, and took 715 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:46,240 off. So, we heard it was coming 3500 pound. Um, so we didn't have a case 716 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:50,079 number for that. It's not our case. Excuse [clears throat] me. But we knew 717 00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:55,280 it was coming. It was going to go by flock camera somewhere going up 35. We 718 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,744 have one right here on Pleasant or 35 right over Pleasant Valley Road that 719 00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:02,640 Clay County has. [clears throat] So right then we didn't 720 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:06,240 have a case number. But like I said, we knew it was going to hit a flop camera. 721 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:10,880 So we put it in there. Didn't get hit or anything, but that was a case where if 722 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:14,319 we had to have a case number, we wanted to search for that car to try to 723 00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:21,640 intercept. >> Switching it to mandatory. Does that 724 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:21,640 remove the ability to put fresh? 725 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:30,079 » I don't think so. I don't know if it's just number oriented or you can put 726 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:36,160 letters. >> Okay. Looking through the the log, our 727 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:40,559 officers have been really good about putting 728 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:45,440 case numbers in it. You can see that that column right there in the middle. 729 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:49,920 Lots of 26-069. then and then a handful of freshes. But 730 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:53,440 then you get out of the freshes and the ones with case numbers and there's 731 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:58,079 there's a number of them that don't have anything in them. And those are the ones 732 00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:04,079 that probably either should go to fresh or have some other designation 733 00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:06,960 » that that reason why we don't >> there's no drop down. 734 00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:13,839 You got this. >> Yeah. 735 00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:19,359 » Well, I can find the audit logs in flock are pretty much permanent. So even if 736 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:22,559 your the other data is removed after 7 days or 30 days, whatever time period, 737 00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:27,359 the audit logs are still available and they if we require officers or whoever 738 00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:31,920 used it to put in a search reason or other data, then that would be permanent 739 00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:37,040 as well. So, I think that would probably be the tool you want to use in, you 740 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:41,920 know, monthly reviews or whatever. >> Yeah. 741 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:47,559 » Um, in our policy 421.3 ALPR operation subsection F, 742 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:53,760 it says if practicable, the officer [clears throat] should verify an ALPR 743 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:59,440 response through mules before taking enforcement action that is based solely 744 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:06,400 on an event or alert. So, I'm I'm sure you have seen 745 01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:12,960 footage, body cam warn footage of people who have eroded as a bad detection 746 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:18,960 license plate and officers took that alert as gospel and treated it as a 747 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:25,040 felony stop when there was nothing wrong with them. It was the case of a of a bad 748 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:30,160 al. And I don't want Pleasant Valley to be one of those where a body camera 749 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:35,920 footage is being played on Fox 4. See see how they treated these guys. What 750 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:40,079 sort of training and what sort of um procedures do we have in place that's 751 01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:45,280 beyond just if practical. >> Yeah, the the if practical is is mainly 752 01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:50,357 in there. We're pretty tiny city. So if we see a car and we don't have time to 753 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:54,000 run it through mules before they [clears throat] get out of our city, we 754 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,760 may not run it through mules to confirm it. That's really the only time we we 755 01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:02,400 run it through mules to make sure it's still a good warrant or whatever it's 756 01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:05,760 attached to someone or whatever. That that's really the only practical why 757 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:12,160 that's in. >> Okay. But you can understand the 758 01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:15,359 sentiment of not putting somebody who hasn't done anything wrong through a 759 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,040 felony traffic stop. >> Oh yeah. 760 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,240 » Yeah. >> And that happens without these two is 761 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,160 » Yeah. >> We pull up kind somebody and run the 762 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:30,880 license plate. And I mean kind of the same thing. But yeah, 763 01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:37,599 if practical we we have a um we run it through first. And on that vein, do you 764 01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:42,880 guys take some of the like like broader body cam footage that gets thrown thrown 765 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:47,440 around uh new news stations about situations that involve block cameras 766 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:50,880 and use that as training to be like, "Hey, be aware of this. Let's double 767 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:56,559 check." >> Yeah. We haven't, but we all see it on 768 01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:59,040 Facebook and know that's an unfortunate incident and don't want to be put in 769 01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:02,799 that position. >> Yeah. But we we don't sit there and talk 770 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:07,200 about it in roll call or nothing. But I mean it's all over Facebook and any 771 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:12,559 other news outlet that they're posting this stuff on. So but we can 772 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:19,520 I'm not telling you what to do. Recommendation. I think it would be 773 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:23,680 important to have the sort of how I when we have incidents that that our guys are 774 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:28,079 on these do after action reviews. What what did we do great? What did we do 775 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:33,920 wrong? What can we improve upon? How can we make this the next time we we see the 776 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:39,119 situation better? I think having a more structured discussion, professional 777 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:45,760 discussion, training oriented discussion with officers of other communities. Hey, 778 01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:50,240 here's a situation. What did they do good? Where did they mess up? How can 779 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:53,520 what can we benefit from that? I think having structured training like that 780 01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:58,000 would be useful. And I would say that to police. I'd say that to fire, too. um 781 01:02:56,319 --> 01:03:01,839 public works like that that applies to every see what other people are doing. 782 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:06,799 See where they mess up and see where we can take some learning lessons and have 783 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:10,400 that as a structured uh structured training rather than hey I hope you guys 784 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:15,280 saw on Facebook. >> I mean we do that but not with the 785 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:21,839 device in >> Yeah. I I think it's so [clears throat] 786 01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:28,880 the system is very new relatively speaking and I I I I think more focus 787 01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:34,319 needs to be put on using the tool effectively than hey we've got this 788 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:38,400 really powerful tool and we have some semblance of training around it. I think 789 01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:42,880 we just need a better more structured training as a result. I think it's 790 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:47,400 important enough that they dedicate the time and resources to train properly. 791 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:57,359 » I just a followup question for Pat from Pat's question to Jared on that. Um 792 01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:01,920 would you say that that already falls within the training that you do about 793 01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:06,079 officer conduct? Because I mean I would assume it's very similar to you have a 794 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:09,760 car that matches a description and then you pull that person over and it's you 795 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:13,200 know it's just the same car very similar car whatever or you have a person that 796 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:17,200 match matches the description of the person they left from a homicide 797 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:21,440 whatever it is in the way that you I would assume that kind of falls in line 798 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:25,520 with the training that you already do with your officers and the way that you 799 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:28,480 treat people when you have a description match or something like we're we're not 800 01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:33,839 looking at well this is a license plate match or it's a picture match. I mean 801 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:36,000 that's I imagine in the same vein of >> Yeah, we do 802 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:41,039 » other scenarios. [clears throat] >> We had one the other day that an officer 803 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:46,799 did got hit for I think it was a family warrant. I don't remember what for uh 804 01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:53,680 ran it through mules warrant was active was for a gentleman stopped car was 805 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:59,920 female immediately let her go. So um there are still cases where where 806 01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:06,240 that's going to happen. Um they advised during at least I guess multiple times 807 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:11,680 for this male um and won't remove the warrant from the car for whatever 808 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:14,680 reason. I won't tell the city that it's more 809 01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:21,440 because that that's just where I can see that that's it could be redundant where 810 01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:26,000 it's like we we train as a you know to use all of these tools in a certain way. 811 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:29,119 So just because it's basically like this. Again, the same thing happens 812 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:34,160 if a car is misidentified or a person is misidentified. But because it says 813 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:38,880 now it gets on the news because they use the system and that system is grabbing 814 01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:42,319 headlines. So I mean from a PR perspective, I would say that's more of 815 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,920 the concern where I would say I would assume that this already falls within 816 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:52,400 the training that police officers should have and how they treat people and and 817 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:57,280 and yada yada. But I I I think maybe Pat your concern is more just hey this is 818 01:05:54,720 --> 01:06:02,000 something that like news media whatever is looking for problems. So because it's 819 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:06,559 connected to flock you want to be extra careful that we're not ending up in 820 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:10,240 headlines somewhere which 821 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:13,599 » and not just for headline sake but also for the situations that you put people 822 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,079 through. >> Yeah. 823 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:22,440 » Potentially our residents potentially nearby residents. people just people. 824 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,480 » Thank you for answering questions. I'm sure we will continue having 825 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:34,480 discussions. >> Yeah, the stuff on your table there was 826 01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:39,319 stuff I found after I I had sent out the packet. So, 827 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,319 » thank you 828 01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:49,920 in this book for mine's definitely not as fun as his. Um, 829 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:55,920 so you have my report. I will say so the new judge was supposed to start 830 01:06:52,640 --> 01:07:01,359 officially for this past on the 10th of August. Um, and due to a family 831 01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:07,839 emergency, we did use a provisional judge. We have Judge Rose. Um, and the 832 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:14,720 new judge will begin hopefully this week sometime. 833 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:19,599 » And he had um a death in his family. Is that correct? He dedicated a death in 834 01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:25,920 his family and then he went on vacation and got stranded 835 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:30,799 somewhere. Oh my god. There's been a few like little They kind of all just teamed 836 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:35,680 up on them at the same time. So I just need him in um this week to do an 837 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:40,160 operating order that's due for the state. So he'll be in this week and 838 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:46,319 everything will be situated and we have court again next week 839 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:49,760 which will be his first court. Okay. And what's how much is on the docket at 840 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,319 this point? >> Uh 250 pages. 841 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:57,280 » Okay. >> I did a very low amount for this past 842 01:07:55,119 --> 01:08:01,920 docket to kind of >> easy 843 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:04,960 everything with him. Um so I couldn't really back out of the one 844 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,960 I sat after. >> Okay. 845 01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:17,759 » Question Sarah. >> Hey. Um, so you said your docket looks 846 01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:23,440 like 250. >> So the the report that you provided 847 01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:29,239 shows a backlog. >> Can you describe what the other 1,750 848 01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:38,960 cases are related? Like so I'm looking at municipal division submarine 849 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:44,400 reporting form cases at the beginning of the month, cases at the end of the 850 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:50,080 month. uh 38 alcohol drug traffic related other traffic. So we've got a 851 01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:55,839 lot of other traffic stuff. >> Is that part of the like amnesty program 852 01:08:53,199 --> 01:09:00,159 that we try to do or not not amnesty but >> if you see pending at the end of the 853 01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:05,600 month it could be my cases at warrant. It could be cases that are on the next 854 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:08,880 few dockets. um it'll combine everything into that and then you also see 855 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:15,640 outstanding at the bottom that are just active the 856 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,640 200 or 2346. 857 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:25,920 » So I have not done agency yet. Um okay for this season um mainly just because 858 01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:29,679 we were easing in the new prosecutor and the new judge but I feel like uh in 859 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:33,560 March I'm just going to throw throw it out there. 860 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,560 » Okay. 861 01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:43,440 I was just trying to reconcile 2,000. It's all actually almost 3,000 20 25 I'm 862 01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:46,880 sorry, 2,700 >> versus the 250 that that are on the 863 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:53,040 docket. And I know you can't you can't possibly get through 2500 cases in a 864 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:57,679 single day. But yeah, no, any any active cases, if I 865 01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:01,760 have them at warrant, if they're on the next three dockets, if they're out there 866 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:06,880 and they're still active, it's going to be on the report. 867 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:11,753 » Thank you. >> Anything else for sir? 868 01:10:09,733 --> 01:10:11,753 [cough] 869 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:20,520 » All right. Okay, Chris, 870 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,520 you're up. 871 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:28,480 So I was asked to put this report together uh for the sewer line. 872 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:34,239 It was after the information to the pack. So sorry to add 873 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:44,080 more paperwork for a very thick packet but um if you and this I'm sure it's I'm 874 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:48,480 referring to this. Um that first picture shows kind of in the 875 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:56,600 middle there you see that anaconda looking pipe. Um that's obviously the 876 01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,600 exposed line. 877 01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,120 And then 878 01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:06,480 the sec second picture I don't know I'm kind of explaining this because I don't 879 01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:13,040 know if you all have my memory prior to this but the this on the second page 880 01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:19,280 that photo shows the the exposed pipe is about six to eight 881 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:28,480 feet to the left in this photo. The mother nature took the stream and 882 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:35,679 kind of re it carved its own path in a C-shape. So, it's coming the bottom of 883 01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:40,560 the page would be north and it's flowing south 884 01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:45,679 and obviously it's hitting that mounted up dirt pile and it's shooting 90 885 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:52,719 degrees to the left and it's slamming into the bank where that pipe is and 886 01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:55,120 scoured out an exposure. Um, 887 01:11:54,534 --> 01:12:00,719 [snorts] according to Keith Gins who lives, this 888 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:06,560 is his backyard. This is his property, both sides of the stream. Uh, and for a 889 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:11,280 portion north and to the south, the stream used to flow straight there. 890 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:15,840 So, um, 891 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:21,280 Ron and I met Sunday morning and we went down. Ron being the city engineer, our 892 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:27,040 city engineer, went down, looked at it. Uh, Mr. G joined us after a bit. That's 893 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:32,640 second time I went down and looked at it. First time was when I took these 894 01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:39,440 photos, but um, and Ron got his eyes on it and he's 895 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:43,360 currently putting together flow numbers, flow volumes, 896 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:50,640 um, and he's going to quickly put together a 897 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:54,480 plan to do the repair. Uh when I first looked at it, I said, "Well, I'd 898 01:12:52,159 --> 01:13:01,520 probably come in here with an excavator, dig that mount of dirt, and bring it 899 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:06,560 over back on top of the pipe." Um, talking to a couple of dirt guys that I 900 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:13,280 know and talking with Ron, that may or may not work. Um, it'll depend on some 901 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:18,560 of the numbers that Ron digs up on his studies. 902 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:26,719 » And that would be like the force. That's the force of the um liquid that's coming 903 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:28,159 downstream. Is that correct? The flow is >> Yes. 904 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:36,400 » Thank you. >> Yes. So, so simply by 905 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:41,040 excavating that mound out and moving it essentially out of the path of the 906 01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:46,960 stream or in this case creating a new path for the water to flow. you're 907 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:51,120 taking all that energy away and it's not going to be turning and slamming into 908 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:54,719 the bank and scouring out the and exposing the pipe. Um, 909 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:59,520 » and do [clears throat] we know for sure that that pipe is C is Pleasant 910 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,719 Valley's? >> Yeah. 911 01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:04,880 » It's not Liberty's interceptor pipe. >> It's not Kansas City's 912 01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:10,320 » I'm sorry. >> Yeah. No. Uh, and I don't know that 913 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:13,280 because anybody from Kansas City called me back because that would be an act of 914 01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:15,679 God. [laughter] Um, 915 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:18,480 » uh, having gone through that with the sewer rates, I [clears throat] 916 01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:23,840 I can concur. >> Between them and Mo, it's like they 917 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:27,199 might as well just cancel their phone and save a bunch of money. 918 01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:32,400 » I had a question. How old is the pipe and what's the size of the pipe? 919 01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:37,120 » Late 70s. >> And is it like a six? 920 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:41,239 » It's a 8 in inside diameter pipe, 10 in outside diameter pipe. 921 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,920 So when >> which is kind of which is kind of 922 01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:48,159 standard for our what you would call like trunk lines. 923 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:54,320 » Okay. >> Um 924 01:14:50,560 --> 01:15:00,640 the interceptors 10 12 in in places. >> Okay. And then I just have a question. 925 01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:07,040 With it being um built in the 70s, should we have a concern um in replacing 926 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:13,920 it and redirecting the screen to ensure that we don't have um runoff or 927 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:17,600 potential issues >> um 928 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:22,000 » because you mentioned earlier that there's potential for leakage and just 929 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:29,920 preventing it if you're going to work on it. So that section of pipe along with 930 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:31,840 numerous other sections was just scoped and televised. 931 01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,719 » Okay. >> Eight months ago. 932 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,199 » So it was in good shape. >> No, no issues. 933 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:42,477 » No issues. >> We went from manhole to manhole. Uh, 934 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:48,960 this is about in the middle of, [clears throat] if you look on the last 935 01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:55,199 page of this report, it shows you 936 01:15:51,920 --> 01:16:01,679 where this where that section is >> in that black circle. And that's between 937 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:04,000 manhole 161 and 162. Okay, 938 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:10,239 » which if you look inside the circle, 245 939 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:17,040 linear feet from manhole to manhole. The section of 940 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:24,000 pipe exposed is 21 ft. I wheel it off. Um, 941 01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:31,679 and it was so we went from manhole uh 62 to manhole 61 8 months ago and there was 942 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:37,920 no issues whatsoever. No. And then when you're on site looking at a pipe that's 943 01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:45,679 exposed like that, you would you would smell you have an 944 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:54,719 odor. you'd have a um rainbow or prism looking 945 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:59,199 um slick on the top of the water. Um so we know we don't have issues with 946 01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:04,560 that. I I walk all the time between the trails between 947 01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:08,880 uh Brighton and Indiana and there's that's Gen City stuff over 948 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:17,040 there. There's I walk by six to eight pipes exposed 949 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:20,040 like that that are like 30 to 40 ft long. 950 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:26,480 » I guess they're not concerned about it. But um 951 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:28,000 » but we're concerned. [laughter] >> Yeah. 952 01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:32,719 » Said but we're concerned. >> Well, yeah. I mean it it not only would 953 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:38,239 you have some environmental issues and possibly [clears throat] 954 01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:42,480 » but you would have some uh you'd have people with that 955 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:45,760 service. Um 956 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:50,000 » so what are the different options again? >> What are the different options again? 957 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:55,280 » So what Ron's looking into and what we we've discussed are on um 958 01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:59,280 » page three. >> Yeah. 959 01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:07,840 He he's he's concerned about the volume numbers may 960 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:12,199 prompt us or we may want to build a concrete wall 961 01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:21,840 » on the stream side or what would be the west side of the pipe spanning the 962 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:26,800 length of what's exposed. Um or possibly use uh what's called geog 963 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:35,040 grid. You see it a lot of times when they build stone walls. Um 964 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:39,360 it's a matting that keeps stone in place. 965 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:48,400 um or just possibly having the geomat put 966 01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:57,040 over the pipe. Then rip wrap, which rip wrap is stone. stone that's um 967 01:18:54,719 --> 01:19:03,600 made to 968 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:11,840 certain sizes four to six inch 7 to 8 10 12 it's used you see it all 969 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:19,360 the time stream side and all um so anyway he'll get back to us on that we I 970 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:25,600 believe the attorneys have said we just need to get three 971 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:29,600 bid numbers. We don't have to do a whole 30-day. 972 01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:35,360 » No. >> And then uh we do need to reach out to 973 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:39,760 Army Corps Engineers to uh have their blessing on changing. 974 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:43,360 » No. When you say blessing, is there a piece of paper that we sign with them? 975 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,000 » Yeah. >> Okay. So, that's going to have to come 976 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,120 before the board. >> Yes. 977 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:54,480 » To do that? >> Yes. And then we would also have a um 978 01:19:50,960 --> 01:20:01,600 temporary constru construction easement >> with signed by the property owner. 979 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:06,719 » This the equipment that's going to need to go down in his backyard to do this 980 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:09,199 work is going to be like your large excavator on on track. 981 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:15,600 » Huge. >> Yeah. It's not going to be a little 982 01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:20,880 backo or a little mini excavator. Um he may he mentioned 983 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:26,560 I've met with him down there twice already talked quite he's for those of 984 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:31,840 you that don't know he's super good guy um 985 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:38,320 but he back years ago when the army corps engineer came through Pleasant 986 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:41,520 Valley knowing that there's going to be a very large housing addict add ed add 987 01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:48,239 ed add ed add ed add ed add ed add ed add ed add ed add edition and 988 01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:53,120 multiple businesses being built on 152. 989 01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:57,840 All that runoff they knew was going to be headed our 990 01:20:55,120 --> 01:21:05,360 way. Um us being valley um we get everybody's 991 01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:12,400 water. So they came in the army core engineer and they laid back the stream 992 01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:18,880 banks and opened them up for more water coming from the north. And uh when they 993 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:24,159 did that, Keith himself planted a lot of birch trees and other trees along the 994 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:30,960 bank for bank stabilization. >> Um so he's he's probably going to want a 995 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:35,520 few trees planted back. It looks like u and I know John was down there and 996 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:42,880 looked at it too. For the machine to get in there, there's going to be two maybe 997 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:48,239 three trees removed. Um there's two 8 in round approximately trees growing up out 998 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:52,719 of that mounded dirt that'll of course have to be plucked out, but there's a 999 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:57,840 couple on the bank that'll have to be moved just simply for the wood sheet. 1000 01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:01,360 » I have one last question. What's the depth of the of the stream in that area? 1001 01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:08,000 Do you know? Is it like less than >> like the OW original height of water is 1002 01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:11,000 » 3 ft? >> Okay. 1003 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:18,719 » And with um the core of engineering, will they have to go out to assess it 1004 01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:22,960 and will they be built for it? I'm just curious how that process works. I've 1005 01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:29,840 never had to approach them for anything like this, so I don't know, but we'll 1006 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:32,800 know. Hopefully by this week. >> Thank you. 1007 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:37,719 » And are you going to reach out to Army Corps 1008 01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:37,719 or 1009 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,600 » he knows we want to get this done by the end of the year? 1010 01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:46,800 » I had that conversation. >> That's good. 1011 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:51,840 » Sunday morning. >> Yeah. I told him, you know, we Yeah, we 1012 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:59,080 talked about that. So, it's kind of one of those FYI, you 1013 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:59,080 guys. And 1014 01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:07,600 » is this is this the first exposed pipe we've had since we put the pipe in 1015 01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:12,239 » the sewer pipe? >> No, there was one on North Elm behind 1016 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,960 Mclofflin's uh here. 1017 01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:21,360 » Oh, yes. Yes. Okay. I remember >> right by what the bridge of Culbert that 1018 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:29,120 they put in um that tributary. Yes. >> That's mostly dry. Only flows when it 1019 01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:34,880 rains washed out of out of 2 and 1/2 foot sectioning pipe. [clears throat] 1020 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:40,080 And it was they fixed it by just taking concrete in the bag and you just set the 1021 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:44,080 bags down 1022 01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:49,440 » on both sides and on top and you put dirt over it. You walk away. 1023 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:52,960 That's the only other spot that I'm aware side of. 1024 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,400 » So that was a smaller length. >> Yeah. 1025 01:23:53,440 --> 01:24:02,880 » Okay. >> And it was also it was a 6 inch line. 1026 01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:10,960 It was a four or six. It was a fourth. >> Well, that's pretty good for, you know, 1027 01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:16,400 50 plus years of sewers in our town. >> Yeah. And and I, you know, I say this 1028 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:21,440 all the time. Anytime a company's come into town and scope our sewer lines, 1029 01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:27,440 they always say they're in really good shape. Does that mean they're going to 1030 01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:33,760 last forever? No. But I Ron and I and all of them think that we have a lot of 1031 01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:37,120 life left in our lives, but at the same time, you know, they're not 1032 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:40,719 going to last forever. So, I think it's a good idea that you're looking to set 1033 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:46,480 money aside for repairs, especially because what I told you earlier about 1034 01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:52,120 what those what it would like to cost to replace our whole system. 1035 01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,120 So, 1036 01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:57,719 » that's all I got. Thank you. >> All right. 1037 01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:08,000 » Okay. Treasures report. Um Matthew, would you update where she's at 1038 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:12,880 and trying to get into the system? >> Well, I I guess the only update would be 1039 01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:17,920 working on her getting remote access to encode, which has kind of been a 1040 01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:22,480 challenge, but as of this afternoon, that we that is done. She has the access 1041 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:29,040 she needs to. >> Okay. Thank you. And that will allow her 1042 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:37,159 to start working on the pulled cash portion of our accounting system. 1043 01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:37,159 All right. 1044 01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:43,120 Sorry guys, personnel committee, anything from you? 1045 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:46,880 » I don't have any actual reports. We don't have any recommendations uh yet, 1046 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:50,000 but just to >> yeah to let everyone know just the 1047 01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:53,679 topics of discussion. were still the compensation study. Um, still under 1048 01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:57,840 review. So, we'll update you guys when that's done. And then we were asked 1049 01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:02,560 about the police chief being brought back to a solid position. Um, it was 1050 01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,800 » something outside. >> Huh? 1051 01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:10,080 » Somewhere on the outside. >> No, no, no, no. It was so previous uh 1052 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:15,040 previously the board had temporarily made the police chief hourly. the board 1053 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,600 previously >> seriously 1054 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:23,679 » uh because of being understaffed and overtime demand whatever but we are now 1055 01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:28,400 at a staffing point by the chief's uh recollection of what they had originally 1056 01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:32,400 said that is past where they wanted to keep him hourly and then switch it back 1057 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:38,159 to salary. So we don't have all the information on that. So admin is looking 1058 01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:42,400 into kind of the um what the past board actions were. So we have some 1059 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:46,239 information based off what their previous wishes were as well as legal 1060 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:49,120 requirements and then they'll bring the personnel that information and then 1061 01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:53,760 we'll bring the board information and the recommendation. So just in the early 1062 01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:59,920 phase that was just introduced at the last meeting. 1063 01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:02,920 » Okay. Do we have the preference of the chief? 1064 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:11,600 Was that discussed in personnel? We we we didn't do a discussion on it because 1065 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:17,360 we did not have information about what we legally can do and what the past 1066 01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:20,560 board had said they were going to do. So, we want to get that information 1067 01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:23,600 first in the next meeting. Assuming we can get that information, which I assume 1068 01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:27,840 we will by the next personnel meeting, we'll have the bigger discussion about 1069 01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:29,760 what you know the city would like to actually do. 1070 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:34,639 » Okay. >> So, 1071 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:38,800 » all right. Patrick, we were we were I can't I can't surren you and I were on 1072 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,840 the board at that time, right? >> Or no, 1073 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,560 » I didn't know what I was doing at that time. [laughter] 1074 01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:49,840 » It was like right before. >> That's perfectly honest. 1075 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:53,840 » When Pat first joined and right, >> it would have been like within the first 1076 01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:58,639 three to six months, right? Like it was it was early on in my work history. 1077 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:03,290 » I can't remember. Did you come I can't remember if you came up uh with some 1078 01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,880 sort of idea about that or Okay, [clears throat] 1079 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:08,639 » talk about this. >> I I would rather we wait for to get some 1080 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:13,280 of the actual information. That's >> I just wanted to make sure 1081 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:16,159 » we we can kind of save the big long discussion until we have just some 1082 01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,159 actual historical data to work with. >> Short answer, yes. I made the request to 1083 01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:20,560 go. >> Okay. 1084 01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:22,880 » Yeah. [laughter] >> Yep. Okay. 1085 01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:28,400 » Currently, >> yeah, I put out 23. 1086 01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:28,400 » Okay. 1087 01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:36,760 All right. All right. I've said papers assuming 1088 01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:46,320 finance. >> Everybody has a budget summary in their 1089 01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:51,840 board packet along with updated charts. Nothing looks abnormal. Um I sent a 1090 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:56,159 couple of questions over to Matthew over the weekend. Uh this is nailed down 1091 01:28:54,239 --> 01:29:02,719 little oddities to the budget. So, if you notice something, feel free to hit 1092 01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:07,520 up Matthew on email and call out some stuff. Uh, I didn't see anything that 1093 01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:13,520 really warranted a full discussion with us. We are in dream budget season. So, 1094 01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:17,306 uh, Matthew and I sat down and nailed down a date where we're going to have 1095 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:21,520 informal meetings with department heads [clears throat] 1096 01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:26,800 uh, to go over your guys's objectives for the next year, your financial needs, 1097 01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:31,040 um, and nail down some of your initial budget numbers. That's scheduled for 1098 01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:36,560 August 31st. So, be prepared. 1099 01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:39,840 » It goes with a month end >> on the last day of the month. Yes, 1100 01:29:39,576 --> 01:29:44,639 [laughter] >> that acceptable. 1101 01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:48,239 » It goes with Labor Day, Sarah. >> Month in [laughter] 1102 01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:53,679 » that's all I heard. [snorts] >> Um, so again, looking at estimated 1103 01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:58,880 expenses, looked at what equipment you guys have, 1104 01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:02,560 what uh your capital improvement requests are going to be for the next 1105 01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:07,679 year. Starting to put those on the paper so that we can get an idea together. I'm 1106 01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:13,120 just an observer observer. Matthew is going to be running it. But I think 1107 01:30:10,719 --> 01:30:19,280 having all of the heads sitting down at the same time will will help make the 1108 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:25,280 process hopefully painless. So that's all that's all the stuff that 1109 01:30:22,239 --> 01:30:29,600 I've got. >> Less people around. 1110 01:30:28,047 --> 01:30:34,239 [laughter] >> All right. 1111 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:40,480 » New business. Anything? And our reminder for our next meeting 1112 01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:44,960 will be on a Tuesday after Labor Day, >> not Monday. 1113 01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:47,679 » And it's like three weeks. >> Yeah. 1114 01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:53,239 » I think the 8th of September be the first the next meeting. 1115 01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:53,239 » Thank you for that. 1116 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:59,639 » Any other new new business? 1117 01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:10,080 All right, let's go to our consideration of ordinances. 1118 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:15,120 Matthew, would you please read council bill number 3662? 1119 01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:20,320 An ordinance approving an agreement between the city of Pleasant Valley, 1120 01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:26,400 Missouri, and Green Great Race LLC for professional services relating to sewer 1121 01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:31,360 rate analysis services. >> So move second. 1122 01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:34,920 » Well, yes. Okay. Any any discussion regarding this? 1123 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:43,760 » Okay. Call the RO. >> Yes. 1124 01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,880 » Yes. >> Yes. 1125 01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,239 » Page. >> Yes. 1126 01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:47,360 » Scarboro. >> Yes. 1127 01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:49,360 » Showers. >> Yes. 1128 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:52,360 » Yes. >> Yes. 1129 01:31:53,920 --> 01:32:01,520 Um, read the title bill out loud of council bill 3662, please. 1130 01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:06,560 » An ordinance approving an agreement between the city of Pleasant Valley, 1131 01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:12,400 Missouri and Green Rates LLC for professional services relating to sew 1132 01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:17,120 rate analysis services. >> Okay, 1133 01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:20,679 » I move we accept council bill 3662 as ordinance 366. 1134 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:27,960 Any further discussion? That was Dean. Did you say second it? Okay. 1135 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,880 » Gallagher. >> Yes. 1136 01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,199 » Yes. >> Yes. Paige, 1137 01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,400 » yes. >> Yes. 1138 01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,639 » Shar. >> Yes. 1139 01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:41,639 » Yes. >> Yes. 1140 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:51,440 » Just to let everybody know, we have started on this process with Mr. Brown 1141 01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:58,199 with an initial phone call. to see where everybody what everybody 1142 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:58,199 needs to be doing. 1143 01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:12,800 » Matthew, please read aloud the title of the bill 1144 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:16,080 3663, an ordinance approving an agreement 1145 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:20,560 between the city of Pleasant Valley, Missouri and Summer, Inc. and 1146 01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:23,280 authorizing the mayor to execute the documents on behalf of the city. 1147 01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:26,719 » Thank you. >> Okay. [snorts] 1148 01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:29,120 Motion in a second. >> So move. 1149 01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:32,760 » Second. >> All right. Discussion. 1150 01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,440 » Call the >> yes. 1151 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,880 » Callie, >> yes. 1152 01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,080 » Yes. >> Paige, 1153 01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,120 » yes. >> Scar, 1154 01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:42,159 » yes. >> Showers, 1155 01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:43,199 » yes. >> Olson, 1156 01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:46,760 » yes. >> Freeman, 1157 01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,760 » yes. 1158 01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:55,199 Motion's approved. >> And if you need to do it again, 1159 01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:59,120 » an ordinance approving an agreement between the city of Pleasal and Missouri 1160 01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:04,719 and Summer and authorizing the mayor to execute the 1161 01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:10,159 documents on behalf of the city. >> We pass council bill 3663 as ordinance 1162 01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:13,159 3662. >> Second 1163 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:23,440 that. Everybody likes this ordinance. >> Got one question. 1164 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:29,840 » Okay, go ahead, John. >> There was discussion in here about 1165 01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:37,520 moving a machine from to downstairs or copier or something. 1166 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:44,719 Yes, we we as part of that process we we did a walk through of admin, police 1167 01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:49,840 department, public works, fire station and what and so everybody in those 1168 01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:53,840 departments was involved and what made sense to there's a couple we're going to 1169 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:57,760 eliminate all together and one's going to there's going to be some moving 1170 01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:02,480 around just for the best use. >> Okay. 1171 01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:06,480 » When when is this happening? at the end of the month just for 1172 01:35:04,460 --> 01:35:06,480 [laughter] 1173 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:11,040 the >> 33rd 1174 01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:14,639 » because we're staying with the same company. We're not bringing in new 1175 01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:21,280 devices and learning. So there won't be any training necessarily involved. So 1176 01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:26,159 soon because I'll give I'll let we have four groups give us bids. So I'll let 1177 01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:32,440 the other three know when I'm going with Jim and let someone know we are. 1178 01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:32,440 soon. 1179 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,480 » Gallagher, >> yes. 1180 01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:41,920 » Caligan, >> yes. 1181 01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:43,120 » Yes. >> Paige, 1182 01:35:42,639 --> 01:35:44,239 » yes. >> Scarro, 1183 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,440 » yes. >> Showers, 1184 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,560 » yes. >> Olsson, 1185 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:50,440 » yes. >> Freeman, 1186 01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:50,440 » yes. 1187 01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:59,440 » Okay. At this point, I'm going to entertain 1188 01:35:56,320 --> 01:36:03,520 a motion to adjurnn. >> We before I just one point, it's 1189 01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:06,741 » too late. I >> sorry [laughter] 1190 01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:14,320 just for for everyone's sake, the part because the meeting is going to be after 1191 01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:19,440 Labor Day. So to let you know that the fire department is planning on doing our 1192 01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:24,719 boot block for muscular distrophe on uh Labor Day weekend. So, we will be out 1193 01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:30,080 probably at the four-way stop again Saturday and Sunday collecting. 1194 01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:33,360 Uh, I think we raised $3,000 last year. So, hopefully we'll 1195 01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:36,480 » do well this year. >> 3001. 1196 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:40,000 » Yep. [laughter] >> Sorry. Can I share something but I 1197 01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:49,840 forgot to on last Thursday or Friday there was a 1198 01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:55,600 contracted company that sets out uh construction cones and whatnot for 1199 01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:59,199 construction companies getting ready to do work. Ask the guy what's going on. 1200 01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:04,719 You might have saw the delineators across the street from Quick Trip. We're 1201 01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:09,040 running towards >> 8601 1202 01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:12,080 » running towards Hes >> Liberty. Yeah. 1203 01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:19,199 » Okay. Tandem Paving has the job. Tandem Mar is 1204 01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:24,800 getting ready to do our job >> on the east side of 69 highway. 1205 01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:29,360 » They they started this morning. They they the contract the guy setting 1206 01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:34,320 the cones out told me that there's a company they're coming to pay. 1207 01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:38,080 I he didn't know who and all that anyway. So I looked [clears throat] into 1208 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:42,880 it further found out it's well they started this morning way down Liberty 1209 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:50,840 Parkway and used to be the dog where it ended 1210 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:50,840 » coming our way. 1211 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:56,639 I was told that they're doing that they're meeting us at our city 1212 01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,920 » limit >> limit 1213 01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:05,239 » in front of quick >> which 1214 01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:05,239 » obviously then after they pave 1215 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:11,400 » they'll be sparking >> the pain 1216 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:19,679 » terrible. >> Yeah. So trying to confirm it. I know 1217 01:38:16,639 --> 01:38:25,840 that they physically started at the dog leg and came about. They made it almost 1218 01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:30,159 to Casey's. >> That's good. It'll fix those two bad 1219 01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:35,600 spots right quick that are still >> So anyway, just a heads up for you 1220 01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:39,360 emergency people if you guys are being asked by residents 1221 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:46,000 and all that. I'll try to find out more and let you know. Anyway, just wanted 1222 01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:50,320 » I move we second. Okay, 1223 01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,360 » please call the vote. >> Gallagher, 1224 01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,320 » yes. >> Caligan, 1225 01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,280 » yes. >> Holtz, 1226 01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,400 » yes. >> Paige, 1227 01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,520 » yes. >> Scarboro, 1228 01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:56,560 » yes. >> Showers, 1229 01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:57,520 » yes. >> Olson, 1230 01:38:57,119 --> 01:38:58,960 » yes. >> Freeman, 1231 01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:04,080 » yes. >> I'm going to ask all aldermen to leave 1232 01:39:01,679 --> 01:39:09,760 these two um pieces of paper 1233 01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:18,760 um on the trash pile, please. You receive We can't 1234 01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:18,760 see what pieces. I think I think 1235 01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:26,400 » I don't think we had them. >> Yeah, I think they 1236 01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:32,480 » you brought them up with yourself. >> Well, they may have been in my pile. 1237 01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,480 » Okay. I take your