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Meeting. Today is Tuesday, August 11, 2026, and it is 6pm. Council member Testa is participating virtually

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in this meeting for a just cause and all votes will be taken by roll call. Council member Testa,

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please disclose if there's anyone present who is 18 years of older in the room with you at your location

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and your relationship to that person, please. There is no one in the room with me. Thank you.

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Okay, as we know this is not our regularly scheduled timer cadence, but we appreciate it.

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It's special meeting because it wasn't something we set up when we adopted the yearly calendar.

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That's why it is.

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And without we'll begin with a pledge of allegiance, Vice Mayor, if you can lead us in the pledge.

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Please rise if you are able.

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Okay, thank you very much, roll call, please.

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Council members, Icar, President.

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Gados, President.

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Nibert, here.

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Testa, here.

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Mayor Baltz, thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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OK, we have a few announcements

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I'd like to go through for our viewers and audience members.

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The first is a truly outstanding national night out

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by the city of Pleasanton.

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We had 46 if you count part, a national night out locations

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that are first responders stopped by

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And just thank you very much for the community for signing up and supporting them.

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46 is a large number and shows that Pleasanton really does care to support our first responders.

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Thank you.

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Secondly, school is back in session this week.

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Please drive carefully.

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Take extra time as you return to school this week.

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And they're obviously walking and biking to school.

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We want them to get their safely and learn their new routes.

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Third, committee and commissions, our fall, 2026 recruitment for our City of Pleasanton committee and commissions is underway.

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This is your chance to get involved, volunteer and help the city so that we are community for everyone.

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Applications are due at 5 p.m. on August 18th, and you can access them the applications and a description of the vacancies at the city's website.

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If you go to the City's website, our government boards and commissions, there are 26 positions available and many for our youth.

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And then lastly, items number 2 and 10 were noticed for 7pm tonight, not the 6pm special meeting time.

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So any action for them shall be held until 7pm when we achieve that time.

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And with that, we are going on to any agenda amendments by staff.

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See, none, any agenda amendments by any of my fellow council members at this time?

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Okay.

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We will go with the agenda as posted.

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Without, we're going to go to consent.

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Items listed on the consent calendar are considered routine in nature and may be enacted by one motion.

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If discussion is required, that particular item will be removed from the consent calendar and considered separately.

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In light of my prior disclosure about item number two, we will have a second consent action after item

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Probably number nine based on timing. So just FYI so item the consent counters items one through seven not including

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Item number two any speakers for item number two will be held off until that time

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Any comments on consent council or record?

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or questions, excuse me, any questions on consent?

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No questions.

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Council member Tessa, any questions on consent?

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I have comments on consent, but I'll not questions.

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Okay, Council member,

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Iaver, sorry, no questions, and Vice Mayor, non, thank you.

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Okay, I have no questions on consent either.

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We will look for public comment on consent.

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I do have a public speaker for item number one.

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So with that, we'll open up public comment for consent.

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Jan Coleman-Night, you are afforded three minutes for public comment.

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And welcome.

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Good evening, Council.

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I would like clarification on Exhibit A.

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Section C, which appears in the subsection of all of the commissions.

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The section gives procedures that apply to termination of offices

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as a result of absences.

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For example, since the Civic Sart Commission

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meant for each four times a year and one quarter of four is one than the absence of one meeting

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may trigger termination based on the suggested procedure.

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Notation of number two, three, and four

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really take a look at the city manager shall notify and writing any commissioner who's been

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absent more than one quarter. Remember that's one meeting. Or more of a regular meetings during the course

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of the 12th month period and request that the commissioner submit in writing to the City Council

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the reasons for the absences.

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Further number three says the City Council shall determine if the commissioner's reasons

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for the absences were justified if the City Council determines that the reasons for the failure

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of the member to attend the meeting in question were not justified.

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The City Council shall terminate the term of office of the commissioner and declare the office

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vacant.

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Remember, that's one quarter, that's one meeting.

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Finally, if the City Council declares such face vacant,

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then the City Clerk shall notify the commissioner

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that the Commission's term has been officially terminated.

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Further, number one of the same sections

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specifies that the end of a 12-month period

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of the Secretary of the Commission shall report the attendance

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of each Commission member to this city manager

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who shall transmit the record to the City Council.

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Is this transmission in a closed city council meeting since individual names are single out?

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I don't know.

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It seems if commission attendance is an issue,

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then the solution should not be so burdensome for City Council.

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The solution should fit the problem.

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Another layer of problems is no help at all.

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Please consider amending this section.

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Thank you.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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This is the consent calendars items 1 through 7, not including item number 2.

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If you would like to speak on consent and have not turned in a blue speaker card at this time, please approach the podium at this time.

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1 through 7, not including item number 2.

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Seeing none hearing none, we'll close public comment on consent and bring it back to the council.

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staff. If I may just ask the comment about attendance records, I know we have a subcommittee

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that handled this recommendation staff report. I don't know if we want our fellow council

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members or staff to weigh in on that item or concept.

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I can land.

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From my recollection from the meeting, the intent behind the council notification was more

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So we're aware what's going on with the commissions as opposed to

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An intention that the council take action at that point in time. Maybe a library director can add more to that.

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Good afternoon. I'm Heidi Murphy, Library and Recreation Director. The content of that section was not modified.

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So those were the original rules. The only thing that was changed was it used to be more meetings. It would have been more punitive.

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it was one third of the meetings. So if you missed one third of the meetings you would be

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potentially triggered for this, we reduce that to one quarter because the number of meetings change.

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So it was meant to be non-punitive. This has been what we do every time. So what happens is every month.

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We submit our commission attendance records. And then periodically I think once a year, every six

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months, those get transmitted to the mayor who reviews them, you know, mostly people have very

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legitimate reasons for not being there. We've never triggered at least in the commissions

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I've ever seen. I shouldn't say that for the whole city. Never is a strong word, but I've

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not seen it happen.

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Any clarifying questions of the staff related to that section brought by the

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public speaker by any other council members? I would like to ask a question. So, um,

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It was not intended, we did not consider the reduction in meeting, but we did want the attendants to be acknowledged and certainly now with only four meetings mandatory meetings a year.

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Attendance is important in everyone of those meetings, but I would like to ask staff if there

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is a suggestion to amending it given that that might be overly severe when it's one meeting

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and out of five before. We offer that we could say more than one quarter if you wanted to

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change it a little bit more than we previously modified it and that would be anything more than one,

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so too perhaps, so if we said more than one quarter.

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I would like to suggest then that we do that.

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But no, there's no question.

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We discussed the importance of attendance,

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and that we wanted that to be very clear

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to the commissioners.

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And again, with so few meetings, now,

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I think it really is even more important.

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So, I'll mix up my comments and that is that in the staff report there were often references

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to the ad hoc committee and staff recommended the reduction of meeting,

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how many meetings.

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And the reality is, it really wasn't, I wouldn't want to be associated with having recommended that,

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because in fact we, I think myself and council member, I, Kerr, were both reluctant to limit the meetings so severely to only four meetings a year.

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But I think we accepted that it was an necessity.

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An necessity in our efforts to preserve all commissions,

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because there were some that were either be folded,

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combined or eliminated entirely.

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And certainly, I'll speak for myself.

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I didn't want to see us lose any of our commissions.

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And as much as I also didn't want to see reducing so severely, the number of meetings I accepted that that was something that we had to do at this point.

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I also would like to point out that as it stated in the staff report that these actions are necessary given our budget constraints.

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and so I would like to just remind the community that this is just one of many impacts on

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our residents as a result of not having a successful parcel tax, I'm sorry, sales tax

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measure. And so we have had many reductions that have direct impact on our residents. I

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have served for over a decade on a commission value what the commissions do. I think it's been

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positive aspect of the Pleasant and Culture to have our commissions and they've served an

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important role as ambassadors and our experts and liaison to council and I'm disappointed

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that we've had to modify our commissions. But I'm glad that we were able to preserve

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all of them. So again, I wouldn't say we recommended these actions. We accepted the necessity

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of it and that's all in my comments there.

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Thank you.

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Councilmember Tessa would you like to make the motion with the more than friendly amendment from

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staff?

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Thank you.

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Yes, I would.

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I'd like to make that amendment that it's more than to address the legitimate concern that was

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brought up.

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And just to clarify, your motion is for the entire consent calendar with that.

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Quickly, more than is actually already in.

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I just re-read it.

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It already says more than.

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Okay. One quarter. I apologize.

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Okay.

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So just to clarify your motion is for the consent calendar then with more than being emphasized.

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We'll maybe say like that.

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If that's allowed that we don't have to separate that into its own action.

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That feels a little awkward. Should it be separate?

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It does not have to be.

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Okay. All right. Then yes, that would be my motion.

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Council member, I agree. You were also on that committee. Do you want to second the motion for the consent calendar with that friendly suggestion of more than?

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I'll second the motion. Okay. We have motion made in second it any further comment before we take a vote.

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Okay. I'll just echo comments that our committees and commissions are an essential part of the relationship the city has with its residents. I appreciate that we are trying to have content driven meetings for our commissions and committees.

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So that they can bring their skills, talents, and perspective to providing a better pleasant

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in for all.

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So thank you for serving as I said at the beginning of the meeting.

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We have 26 positions available for community members to be a part of the city and I highly

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recommend you consider if any of them bring your interest to bear.

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And again, the deadline for filing is August 18th at 5 p.m. through the city's website.

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With that, we have a motion made in seconded roll call vote, please.

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Council Member's Testa.

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Aye.

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Gatos, aye, nay, bird, aye, mayor, balk, aye, motion passes unanimously. Okay, thank you very much. We are now proceeding to

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meeting open to the public. So this is public comment on items that are not listed on the agenda. I like to read this at the beginning so that we are all on the same page. Good evening and welcome. This is the opportunity for members of the public to address the city council on any matters that are within the council's subject matter jurisdiction.

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but are not listed on the agenda. If you wish to speak for a matter that is on the agenda,

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please reserve your comments for when we get to that item. For members of the public joining us in person,

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if you wish to speak now or for a future item, please fill out a blue speaker card, they're located outside,

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and turn them into the city clerk. For members of the public joining virtually,

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please raise your hand using the raise hand feature or star nine on your telephone at this time.

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When the item number is called, you will be unmuted and your name will be called.

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I ask for all community members to be respectful and help maintain decor.

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Speakers may have different opinions and we want to hear all perspectives and viewpoints.

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To that end, please know clapping, boeing, or other disturbances.

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In the interest of time, if you agree with the speaker before you, you may simply say you agree and do not need to utilize your full time.

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If you want to show support for what the current speaker is saying,

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You're welcome to raise your hand and we want to understand that as additional support.

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Lastly, please note that this is your time to be heard.

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If you do ask questions, those won't necessarily be answered,

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unless taken up by a council member after the conclusion of your

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lot of time or public comment in total.

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Speakers are here by limited to three minutes.

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Thank you for your cooperation.

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And our first speaker is Valerie Arkin,

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followed by Rina Gupta, followed by Carla Brown.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Good evening, Mayor and council.

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I'm Valerie Arkin, former city council member and a 33 year resident of Pleasanton.

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I'm here tonight to just correct some misinformation that continues to be put forward.

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In particular, I know council member Gaitos has done it.

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I'm not sure about anyone else, but it's regarding the east side property and it's relationship to the housing element,

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which was developed while I was serving on the council, and I am saying all of this with the

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utmost respect to all of you up there. My reasoning in 22 and 23 wins was going on for not

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including this property was based on several factors. There's no infrastructure at the site,

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no nearby school, very limited amenities, and importantly, no proximity to a transit hub. Transit

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accessibility is a significant factor in determining the viability of affordable housing.

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And that is an integral component of the housing element.

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Traffic circulation was also a major concern, particularly without the El Toro extension,

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which, as you all know, has an estimated cost of over $100 million dollars.

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This property had been a contentious issue with previous city councils before I had served,

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and I believe that further analysis was warranted.

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and just as a footnote, the QUT property on the east side was actually included in the housing

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element. There were other concerns as well, including the properties proximity to the airport

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protection area, as well as questions regarding water supply and safety, sewer capacity, and

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potential ground settling issues. Importantly, the Planning Commission recommended that the site

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not be included. City staff also recommended against including it. Because we did not need

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these units to me or housing element requirements, I agreed with the decision to not include the site.

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At the same time, we identified housing opportunities throughout Pleasanton that allowed us to meet our obligations under state law.

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That housing element was ultimately approved by the state.

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It has also been stated that the city's decision regarding the side property would be easier today if it had been included in the housing element.

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And that is simply not correct.

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Director Clark explained during a February 2022 council meeting that once a property is owned for housing, it becomes much more difficult for the city to deny a project.

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She reiterated that point in a very recent council meeting, once land is owned for housing developers have greater ability to move forward with development, which means the city council has less control not more.

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So the suggestion that including the property in the housing element would have made the city's decision making easier today is in fact the opposite of what would have occurred.

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I feel compelled to correct misinformation when it is presented to the public, especially when presented to the public, particularly when it concerns decisions that were carefully considered and made during my time on the council.

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I do wish you all the best of luck as you continue to navigate these challenging housing issues, and thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak.

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Thank you.

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I'm Rina Gopta, candidate for Pleasant and City Council District 3.

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I believe democracy thrives when residents are informed, engaged, and heard.

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That's why civic engagement is at heart of my campaign.

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I listen, summarise, and carry resident voices to the city hall.

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In the last two weeks, I have collected 19 additional voices at the farmers market and

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through my website.

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These are resident voices, not necessarily my own positions.

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Residents from senior residents from Carlton, Oaks and Faisant Bridge requested for shade over

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benches at Fawn Hill Park on West Lagoon Road, as well as safer and more convenient

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wheelspuzz access. They said reaching existing stops near value or burnout can be

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difficult and unsafe for seniors who do not drive. Residents can raise concern about bicycle and

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pedestrian safety, especially for children and us for safer and more accessible ways to move

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affordable housing while others express concerns about location and impact of new development

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including around Stone Ridge Mall. Residents race concerns that roads, water, and sewer infrastructure

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are not keeping pace with development and some question the overall pace of growth.

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Residents asked for an adequate funding for libraries funding, parks, recreation, arts,

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and community programs while others emphasized controlling spending and staffing costs.

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Residents are asking that council to take a clear stand regarding the proposed ice facility in Dublin and its potential impact on

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dry valley community. Residents continue to raise concerns about downtown vacancies and want concrete action to bring more businesses and

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activity downtown. These voices do not always agree and that's part of civic engagement. My goal is to make sure residents have a way to be heard.

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Thank you to everyone who have shared their voice. If you like your voice to be included in a future update,

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please stop by at a farmer's market booth on Saturdays or visit

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renaffapleasantin.com.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Carla Brown.

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This is my last speaker card.

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If you would like to speak on items

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not on the agenda, please turn in a blue speaker card at this time.

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Good evening. Good evening council.

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As a former city council member in former mayor.

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I watched in surprise and disappointment at the

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Wait, a speaker was handled at a recent city council meeting. Sandy Yamagoda is in her 80s. She walks slowly to the podium. She spoke in her opinion on a project that's being considered for the east side of Roya Logo. She ran over on time, but that evening, so did many speakers that astowed how wonderful the city council and staff had been with regards to the fires.

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Instead of having the same courtesy that was granted to those that were giving positive feedback to the council,

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she was truncated in her speech after three minutes.

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She completed trying to complete her final sentence.

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The gavel was slammed down,

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and you were heard on recording.

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Did you even understand what the subject matter was?

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I couldn't believe it.

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I couldn't believe it, Mayor.

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She walked away and said stop yelling at me. Is that really the kind of behavior this council is proud of?

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I will also hold you as council members involved as well. If you see your mayor acting in a way that is not becoming of your city council.

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Perhaps it might be a time to step up. Because as a resident, the number of calls and emails I received on this issue alone was a great disappointment to me.

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I know that you have a large project in front of you for a Royal Logo, I know it's important.

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I know you work very hard, but let's not take it up on the residents who are here to share their thoughts.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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That's my last speaker card if you would like to speak on items not in the agenda.

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Please approach the podium at this time.

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Mayor, I'd like to respond to a public comment.

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Please let me close public comment first.

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Okay.

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Is there anyone else?

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hearing none seen none online, virtual?

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No additional speakers.

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Okay, we'll close public comment.

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Council member Tessa, you had a comment?

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Yes, I would like to apologize to Miss Yamamoto for not speaking up on her behalf,

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because that was a hard interaction to watch.

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And it was clearly a very biased action against one speaker

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when so many others that particular night had been given the grace of running over there speaking

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time.

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So I apologize for not being more responsive at the time.

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Okay.

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Thank you very much.

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We'll now move on to public hearing and other matters.

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It's 625 so we cannot take up item number two yet.

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We'll be proceeding to item number nine.

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Receive a presentation on debt financing regarding water improvement projects and adopt a resolution

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declaring the city's intention to reimburse expenditures related to capital improvement projects

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from the proceeds of tax exempt obligations.

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City Manager?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor, City Council, in addition to our staff here this evening, our finance

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director, Susan Shea, and our public works director.

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Susan Young, we are also joined via remote by our financial advisors and our bond and disclosure

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counsel.

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So, by way of brief introduction, and I believe that they're floating around up there somewhere.

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Jaime Treho is a Senior Management Consultant with PFM Financial Advisors.

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These are folks that specialize in the Municipal Security's market, assisting public agencies with structuring and selling municipal bonds, helping their clients receive fair pricing for their bonds.

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David Farmer is a partner with Jones Hall.

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Anybody in California who's ever done a bond financing knows who Jones Hall is.

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They're prominent firm that works with municipalities all across the state.

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Excuse me, on all aspects of bond financing.

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These two firms I would hasten to add were also a part of our team for the

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in 24 water revenue bonds. So with that, I will turn it over to staff.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council Member. Tonight we will be providing an overview of the city proposed financing for our water system capital improvement program.

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Tonight, there's, we are going to provide some background information and Director of Finance

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Susansha is going to share a financing options and we're going to talk about next step

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and staff recommendations.

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So the city, Water Capital Improvement Project is driven by four primary projects.

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It's replacing aging infrastructure to maintain or improve system reliability and operably

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up-properability, improved water system capacity, comply with regulatory requirement, and also

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align with our one-plus and strategic plan goal of investing in our environment.

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Tonight, action is to request council consideration, to approve, to establish the city intent

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to reimburse eligible expenditure for these

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at capital improvement project with bond proceeds.

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This is an important financing steps

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that allow the city to move forward

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with eligible project expenditure

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while preserving the flexibility

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to reimburse those expenditure from the bond proceed.

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In the past year, we have completed a robust water system

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management plan that built our 20 year CIP

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capital improvement plan. We have a council approval to select and hands in

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area with a $73 million of CIP projects delivery over the five years and with

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an expected $35 million of new debt that we will be inquiring in the next three

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years. With the expectation in 2026 for $15 million in 2027, $10 million and in

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2028, another 10 million dollar, a total of $35 million.

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For the 2026 water projects go,

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the bond proceeds will be used to finance all

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or a portion of the following improvement.

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Collectively refer to as the 2026 water water projects.

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The projects that we will be funding

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would be water meter and advanced metering infrastructure

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AAMI System Replacement that is approved and awarded by Council and is currently in implementation

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face.

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The City Ground Water Supply Project, which we have completed, face one physicality study and

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now we are into face-to-design and face-to-reconstruction face.

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The water system emergency power improvement program, which is currently in bid and award

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face and the annual water distribution system improvement that is currently in planning and engineering

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face and also any other improvement to the water system that is approved by City Council in the next.

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This is a breakdown of how we anticipate the 2020-26 bond will fund the four main projects that we have proposed under this bond.

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As you can see, for the four projects all at together, we roughly have about 56 and a half million dollar of needs to fund the all four projects.

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And this bond is a portion of the total funding, which is a total of 15 million.

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Just want to bring it up that the 2026 bond is not the only sole funding source for the four projects.

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These four projects are also funded by others sources such as 2024 revenue bond.

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the water rates, grants, that is also

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be supporting the projects.

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This slide shows the scope of the four projects.

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A lot of this projects are already

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very presented by Council in the

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path. Like I say, the city ground water supply

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project. We have completed the phase one

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facility study and now into phase two and phase three.

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This is to develop two new groundwater wells

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partnership with zone seven, including the transmission line and distribution system.

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The water meter and AMI replacement project is a city-wide water meter replacement project.

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Water system emergency power that is to upgrade our emergency power system at water pump station

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to improve reliability and to ensure continuous operation during power out-ages and emergency.

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and at last annual water distribution system,

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that's an annual investment to our water distribution system,

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that is including installation of water mains, valve services,

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and items that is prioritized with street resurfacing projects.

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Next, I'm going to turn the speaker to Director of Finance,

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Susan Share, who is going to share financing options and discussing about our different financing

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option.

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Thank you, Susan.

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, in council members, I will present the financing

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options.

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In working with the city's financial advisor, we consider a public cell and a bank loan or private

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placement with 20 and 30 year repayment trends for public offering and 20 year repayment

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for a bank loan. The effective interest rates for the three options are projected to range from

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about 4% to 4.6%. For public sale, for public ban sale, double a rating, it's assumed.

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This slide presents more details about the three options that the financing team evaluated.

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As you can see here, we have three options. We don't have the fourth option related to a 30-year

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in Bangalore due to the limited capital markets for 30 year banglons.

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For a 15 million public bansal with 20 year paymentton, the interest rate is projected at

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about 4%.

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The average annual debt service payment is about 1.1 million and the total debt service payment

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is about 22 million.

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For 20-year bank loan, the interest rate is higher, projecting at about 4.6%, the annual

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sales payment and the total sales payment are also higher than the 20-year public

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bank loan.

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At about 1.2 million and 23 million, basically public offering is the less expensive option.

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For a 30-year public ban cell, the interest rate is projected at about 4.5%.

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The annual debt service payment is about 920,000 and total debt service payment is about 27.5 million.

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A ban function is similarly to a mortgage.

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With a longer repayment term, we incur higher interest costs.

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30-year bond is going to cause about 5.5 million more than a 20-year bond.

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In the staff report staff recommended a 30-year repayment turn to protect their service coverage and credit rating,

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including maintaining a sufficient cash balance.

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Having a utilizing along to repayment turn will also provide a financial flexibility for an expected capital needs.

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As we continue to implement the capital projects identified in the city's water system management plan,

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we may run into issues related to unexpected access conditions and unexpected capital needs,

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having available resources to call those costs over rents would be helpful for the city.

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The issuing costs are estimated to be about 189,000 for bond issuance and about 130,000 for a bank loan.

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In the staff report, we recommend utilizing an underwriter to market the bond cell,

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and additional costs of 90,000 is expected.

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Those are all conservative estimates, the cost may come, you know, maybe lower than what we are estimating.

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This month, the finance team will be meeting with S&P to attend a credit rating for the

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bond insurance.

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Staff will return in September to seek a council approval for Bansal, between September

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and October, the finance team will finalize the bond offering documents, and money is expected

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in the project by mid-October.

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Staff recommends that the city council, a double resolution, declaring the city's intention

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to reimburse expenditures relating to capital improvement projects.

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This concludes our presentation and we are happy to answer questions as the City Manager

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mentioned earlier, Jaime and David are also joining us remotely.

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They are available to answer questions as well.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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Claire, fine questions.

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Council member Eicher, we'll just go down the line.

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How long does it take to procure a bond?

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It's about four months.

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And once we have cured the bond, the funding that comes with it,

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what's the timeline on receiving those funds that come with it?

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Is that the four months?

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Yeah, within our four month timeline.

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We expect to receive the money by mid-October.

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Okay, and then once we've gotten it, what is the anticipated disbursement time frame looking

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like for these projects?

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Yeah, for tax-exam bonds, we are required to spend about 85% of the bond proceeds.

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In the first three years, that's the timeline that we are looking at. We can also incurs, incurs prior to, to ban cell, that's why we are presenting a resolution to the council tonight. So that way we can start incurs and get reimbursed later on when the ban proceeds are received.

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What are the risks that are associated with the public sale of bonds?

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Usually, the risk is pretty low because we are paying back the investors, as I, as we generate revenues from the water system of the repairs, we should be able to pay the bond.

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00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,100
So it should be low risk for the residents of Pleasanton.

450
00:38:15,980 --> 00:38:22,560
And in looking at the 2026 revenue bonds and I know that and this is probably a conversation

451
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,820
for when we approve whatever the bond is going to be when we get there as opposed to

452
00:38:27,820 --> 00:38:32,600
this, what you're asking for here.

453
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:40,140
But in looking at some of these items that we're looking at getting bonds to pay for, some

454
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:51,160
those items appear to have a 20 year or less life, which, to me, doesn't make sense getting a 30 year bond on something that's going to have to be replaced before we pay it off.

455
00:38:51,560 --> 00:39:02,380
Well, in general, what we are funding the live of the assets, along then 30 years, I, you know, I will defer to CGEN to provide a bit more detail.

456
00:39:02,380 --> 00:39:09,440
So, the 30-year proposed ton is consistent with the life of the asset.

457
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:14,520
Of course, a 20-year payment ton would also work too, and you would save some inches

458
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,140
costs.

459
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:21,380
But at the same time, you may not have the financial flexibility to meet unexpected capital needs.

460
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:24,580
And also, protect your desk or coverage.

461
00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:25,620
Okay.

462
00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:33,320
Yeah, the thing that sparked me was the water meter aspect, and I know we have an unusual

463
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:40,000
circumstance where the water meter lasted 10 years shorter than it anticipated, which

464
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,720
put us in the bind to where we have to do something to take care of that.

465
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:51,000
But I'm also looking at if we had taken a bond out, we'd still be paying for paying for

466
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,900
those 10 years.

467
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:58,020
had a question. No, actually I'm getting in the commentary. So that's all the questions I have.

468
00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:02,740
So that was my thought process on it. Thank you. Council member Tessa Claire find questions?

469
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:15,360
Yeah, I just have one. I'm kind of touched it already, but what struck me is the 30-year

470
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:23,200
versus the 20-year, and you just addressed that the 20-year saves some interest costs.

471
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:25,800
It kind of saves a significant amount,

472
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,600
and I really could you break up the difference

473
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:41,740
in the cost of what the 30-year versus the 20-year will cost us, and you said that it could

474
00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:51,360
leave us less. Well, I'll ask you to explain that again. Further, why it seems to me the

475
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:58,480
20 year would be a more efficient choice. Yeah. And actually, Jaime, would you like to respond

476
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,440
to this question? Yeah. And then I can add more comments.

477
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:06,690
Good evening, members of 50 council

478
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:14,530
culminating with high-made trial PFM financial advisors, you're correct, issuing bonds over

479
00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:17,210
10 or 20 years will produce savings.

480
00:41:17,550 --> 00:41:22,610
You will pay less than interest for a bond you can pay off over 20 years versus 30 years.

481
00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:28,010
The reason why we proposed 30 years or we discussed 30 years is severalfold.

482
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:30,630
One that matches the life of the assets.

483
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:38,650
two in what the finance rent dimension provides financial flexibility. So, for example, in

484
00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:47,430
2023 you had less revenues available to pay debt service than your debt service payment.

485
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:53,610
So, your net revenues were less than one times. In 2025 due to the rating increases, that

486
00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:58,830
has significantly increased. So, now your coverage is over three times. So, you have three

487
00:41:58,830 --> 00:42:01,710
times as much revenue to pay your debt servers.

488
00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:06,130
I'm talking about net revenue revenue after you pay your expenses.

489
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:13,850
In fiscal year 26, the act could potentially decrease from 7.8 to 5.5.

490
00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:18,190
These numbers are still preliminary, but you see there's been some fluctuations in your

491
00:42:18,190 --> 00:42:18,830
net revenues.

492
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:25,530
And if the net revenues decrease, it will also decrease your debt service coverage.

493
00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:34,010
So, for example, nationally, for S&P, the meeting and coverage ratio is 2.3 times.

494
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:37,770
So, you have 2.3 times revenue, net revenue is a great debt service.

495
00:42:38,590 --> 00:42:46,170
And with the issuance of this bond in the 28 bond, that coverage level will drop.

496
00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:54,490
It could drop as low as 1.5 times the pending on the highest charge of the debt.

497
00:42:54,490 --> 00:42:56,730
It can drop, you know, around two times.

498
00:42:57,350 --> 00:43:01,630
So decreasing your debt service coverage is a credit negative,

499
00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:06,070
and if your net revenues decrease even further than anticipated,

500
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:10,190
it could limit your ability to issue the next series of bonds.

501
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:13,090
So we want to preserve the financial flexibility

502
00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:15,570
for the next series. Additionally,

503
00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:19,490
if we issue 30-year bonds, we have the option to refine

504
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:28,850
these bonds in 10 years. In 10 years we can decide okay we can now pay these off in 10 years versus 20 years.

505
00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:35,730
So we are not locked in to the 30-year term at this time. We will have the opportunity to refund them in 10 years

506
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:41,630
and at that point we could reduce the maturity down even further.

507
00:43:44,570 --> 00:43:49,130
Thank you for that explanation. Was staff going to make any further comments?

508
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:55,630
Yeah, I was going to mention that we are still in the initial stage of implementing the capital projects

509
00:43:55,630 --> 00:43:59,030
identified in the water system management plan.

510
00:43:59,310 --> 00:44:04,890
As I mentioned earlier, we may have cost overrinsed that we did not anticipate with a longer

511
00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:09,590
repair and turn will have more resources to cover those costs.

512
00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:14,290
That's another reason why we are considering a 30-year repair and schedule.

513
00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:28,490
So, we also have two more bond issuance in the next two years, if our cash balance looks sufficient or it's going to be built up to a point that's going to meet the standard of rating agencies.

514
00:44:29,050 --> 00:44:34,670
We can consider utilizing a shorter repayment schedule for those bond issuance.

515
00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:43,250
That's another option that we can consider in addition to what Jaime mentioned about refinancing your debt in about 10 years.

516
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:57,110
Okay, lots of good feedback on both of those, but I did ask, could you break up out the savings of the 20-year versus the 30-year?

517
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:59,970
Yeah, it's about 5.5 million.

518
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,720
Close to 5.5 million in savings. Thank you for that. And then one more, if there's refinancing in 10 years, the

519
00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:19,660
origination costs and all the financing costs factor in as well, right? So.

520
00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:21,640
That's correct. The

521
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,960
In 10 years

522
00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:27,840
If the savings are at least, you know, let's say 3% of the funded amount

523
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:30,500
net of the expenses

524
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:33,720
That would be the minimum thresholds we fund the bonds

525
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:42,060
Thank you. That's all I have. Okay. Thank you. Vice Councilmember Nybert. Sorry. Thank you

526
00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:43,340
Just a couple of questions

527
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:46,540
It was mentioned that this

528
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,460
The request was a resolution declaring the city's intention to reimburse expenditures.

529
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:58,740
And I know that the entity to be reimbursed is the city itself.

530
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,060
Can you explain how that is?

531
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,260
They would you like to respond to Council Member Nibber's question?

532
00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:08,620
Yes, thank you.

533
00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:11,420
Dave Fama from Jones Hall, where the bond council for the city.

534
00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:20,180
And what this is tonight, it's a rest delusion that is required for tax exam rules by the IRS.

535
00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:34,680
And it doesn't obligate you to issue the bonds, but what it does, it sort of protects you that if you have expenditures on the project that you incur before the date the bonds are issued, it allows you to reimburse yourself.

536
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:42,640
So the city would be borrowing money through the bond issue and the proceeds or narrowly would go to a project to be built in the future.

537
00:46:43,340 --> 00:46:59,180
And what this resolution does is it preserves the tax exempt nature of the bonds and allows you to reimburse for costs that you've incurred the way it works is it's hard costs incurred up to 60 days prior to tonight.

538
00:46:59,180 --> 00:47:04,420
So you'd have a period from 68's prior to tonight to the date of issuance of the bonds.

539
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:12,880
If you spend any money on hard costs for the project, you'll be eligible to recover those once the bonds are issued from the bond proceeds.

540
00:47:14,260 --> 00:47:17,220
So it's just a good thing and it's not a commitment to issue.

541
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:24,380
It's just a preservation of a ability to reimburse yourself under the tax exemption rules.

542
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:26,600
Okay, thank you.

543
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,080
I understand that is the main purpose of what we are considering tonight.

544
00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:33,140
Exactly.

545
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,200
The speaking about the Water Media Replacement project.

546
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,560
The city has submitted claims to the manufacturer.

547
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,920
And I guess we probably anticipate some kind of resolution on those claims.

548
00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:51,920
This probably doesn't assume the level of claims.

549
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,820
But can we say anything about that?

550
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:03,940
It's really too early in the litigation to speculate on what if any will be receiving from that.

551
00:48:04,780 --> 00:48:07,920
Okay. Okay. Thank you.

552
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:18,240
And when the staff report says the city would benefit from working with an underwriter and an negotiated sale.

553
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:26,080
You know, I'm no expert on underwriting or why that is and has to do with sometimes with volatile markets

554
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,100
Could you explain why that's a benefit to the city?

555
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:31,500
Yeah, I

556
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:32,900
Take that

557
00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:37,300
Yeah, the reason why we're recommending

558
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:41,540
So here with an underwriter. There's just kind of two options about a

559
00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:44,060
Bonsel, there's competitive and negotiated.

560
00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:50,860
Here, the underwriter performed the extremely well for the 2024 Bonsel.

561
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:56,040
And the market has been fairly volatile this year.

562
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,620
We have a number of deals.

563
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,960
As a firm that we've kind of pulled from the market, the devaltility.

564
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:06,000
It's a lot of political economic,

565
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:09,400
so turbulence in the market.

566
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:15,020
So we've had a poll deals and called data day and having an underwriter allows you to be

567
00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:17,140
nimble and flexible when to sell the bots.

568
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:24,620
So, now the writer essentially markets the bots to investors, gets investors to buy the

569
00:49:24,620 --> 00:49:30,220
bots and whatever investors don't buy the underwriter will buy those bots from the

570
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:30,600
site.

571
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:32,600
Okay.

572
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:33,460
All right.

573
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:39,020
understood. Thank you for that. And just one more question,

574
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:42,990
you had answered Councilman

575
00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:50,880
who tested his questions about 30-year versus 20-year and why there are benefits to going

576
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,980
with a 30-year approach. To me, it sounds like a pretty forward-looking risk management strategy.

577
00:49:56,980 --> 00:50:06,040
And you know I mean that is a good thing and well I guess that's really not really

578
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:11,380
question it's just an observation thank you thank you vice mayor thank you given

579
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:16,340
that we've you know adjusted our water rates and we anticipate that funding the

580
00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:23,320
enterprise much more fully than it had before is there a concern that you know

581
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,540
paying essentially on the 20 year

582
00:50:29,140 --> 00:50:30,860
bond at, you know, a million,

583
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:36,860
97 a year versus 915,000 a year on the 30 is problematic somehow.

584
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,000
You know, I think of this in terms of a monthly mortgage, like anybody,

585
00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:42,060
because it just makes sense.

586
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:47,020
And the difference between those two is a difference between making paying 91,000

587
00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:51,960
a month for a 20 year or 76,000 a month for a 30 year.

588
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,860
And that makes up to 5.5 million.

589
00:50:53,860 --> 00:50:59,040
I mean, I think, I guess my question is, with all the increases that we passed on to the

590
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:04,540
rate payers, do we anticipate the enterprise will be able to fully fund this debt service

591
00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:07,080
into the future at either the 20 or the 30?

592
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:15,560
Yeah, we, uh, with the rain increase, we expect sufficient revenues to cover the deaths of its payment

593
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:23,800
at the 20 year level as well. Um, we build a slightly higher interest rate and just to make sure

594
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:32,360
we have enough money from the race study, and also the market can be volatile. We will never be able to predict what's going to happen with the interest rates.

595
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:39,880
So the answer is yes, we have sufficient funds to cover the costs. The reason we are recommending a dirty year,

596
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,960
Repimension, it's mainly due to the reasons that high-main mentioned earlier.

597
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,000
In 2023, we will not able to meet our debt covenant.

598
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,620
So, we are trying to build up, you know, that their service coverage,

599
00:51:56,020 --> 00:52:02,040
and then the cash balance as well, together to be at a higher level,

600
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,780
so that we have more flexibility.

601
00:52:03,780 --> 00:52:12,660
If the council decides to go with a 20-year repayment schedule, what we can do is that in the next two

602
00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:19,260
money issues, we're going to re-evaluate to see how cash flow looks like, how this service coverage looks like.

603
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:23,860
We may have a longer payment term for those money issues.

604
00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:29,860
Our initial analysis was to be conservative for the first issues, go with a 30-year.

605
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,440
For the next ones, we can re-evaluate. If the council wanted to do a 20 year for the

606
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:41,960
spine issues, then we will re-evaluate whether the other two banyations can utilize a longer

607
00:52:43,140 --> 00:52:45,280
repimington or should, if needed.

608
00:52:46,940 --> 00:52:52,600
Right. My second question would be, if we say we were to go with a 20-year, I know you mentioned

609
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,760
on the 30-year, it can be essentially, I'm going to call it refinance, because that's essentially

610
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,420
what it is, you can pay it off quicker and move down to a different 20, but if we were locked

611
00:53:01,420 --> 00:53:07,180
into a 20 year bond, could we at some point extend that out or redo that for more years?

612
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,480
Or does it only go to one direction?

613
00:53:10,060 --> 00:53:11,600
Hi, Mike, can you respond to that question?

614
00:53:12,060 --> 00:53:16,580
I think that as a yes, you can re-evaluate and refinance as well.

615
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,360
Yeah, I believe in Dave can correct me here, as long as you shall savings, you can move

616
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:27,820
the maturity out, as long as you'll savings overall to the bond. But it would be very rare

617
00:53:27,820 --> 00:53:33,620
to do that, particularly for a double-a-ready credit to push back to that.

618
00:53:34,060 --> 00:53:35,900
I understand that. Thank you. There's my question. I appreciate it.

619
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:41,420
Okay. Thank you. I understand the item that's before us for the resolution to pay back, but I do want

620
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:46,980
to keep going on this 20 versus 30 year. And my question is related to the water master plan that

621
00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:53,240
classified the water rates, correct me if I'm wrong, but that had a 6% assumed debt level

622
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:59,940
in it compared to what we anticipate as, I think, on one of them, 4.6 or so correct.

623
00:54:00,180 --> 00:54:00,380
Correct.

624
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:05,240
So when I do poor math up here, and I was looking for a battery for my calculator for

625
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:16,680
a bit, so I apologize, a 6% at $15 million versus a 4.61% at $15 million is $26,000

626
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:23,700
difference, right? There is sufficient revenue to cover the deaths of us. In the race study,

627
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:30,300
on dot annual deaths of us payment, it's estimated about 1.1 million, which is the 20-year

628
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:38,520
repimentant that, you know, we had talked about here. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, because the actual interest rate,

629
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:44,080
we would observe when we place the debt would be less than what we've assumed in our water rate

630
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:49,980
study and rate plan, we'd be able to, this is the question, we'd be able to utilize that

631
00:54:49,980 --> 00:54:56,060
additional interest rate savings to possibly do a 20 year and save the $75.5 million

632
00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:57,060
correct?

633
00:54:57,180 --> 00:54:57,940
Right, that's correct.

634
00:54:57,980 --> 00:54:59,460
We can cover the desk of his payment.

635
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,120
All right.

636
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,260
I think that's it for my questions.

637
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:04,940
Any further questions if we're going to public comment on this item?

638
00:55:06,380 --> 00:55:06,980
Seeing none?

639
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:07,880
Okay.

640
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,280
We're going to public comment on item number nine, the water debt.

641
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:20,840
I don't have any speaker cards for this item if you would like to speak on item 9, and have not turned into a blue speaker card, please approach the podium at this time.

642
00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:26,040
Hearing none, seeing none, I need online at this time.

643
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:27,720
Okay.

644
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,060
Public comment is here by close.

645
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:33,520
We're bringing it back to the council for action or comments, and or both.

646
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,020
Council member, I agree you let us off.

647
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,240
Any comments, actions or motion?

648
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,660
Yes, I'd like to make a motion to accept staff's recommendation.

649
00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:43,880
Okay, any further comments while you have the floor?

650
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,360
I think it's essential that we're going to need to pass bonds so we can get these projects moving.

651
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:56,360
Delaying, doing this is just going to make things a little bit more challenging for us in the future.

652
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:02,280
Where our rates should be able to at this point easily cover the bond.

653
00:56:03,020 --> 00:56:10,040
If we get it, and I think that stats and a good job articulating what the money is going to go for.

654
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,360
So thank you.

655
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:12,900
Council member Tessa, you're next.

656
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:15,340
I have no comments.

657
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,040
Are you, would you second the motion?

658
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:18,480
Yes.

659
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,360
Second the motion.

660
00:56:19,580 --> 00:56:20,400
Thank you.

661
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:21,280
Council member Niber.

662
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:22,980
Comments?

663
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:31,320
Just a comment that the existing plan that the city is following is to use a series of bond issuances

664
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:33,900
that's been established in the past.

665
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,400
So this is moving us down that path.

666
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:41,920
Nothing unusual about this particular topic that we're discussing.

667
00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:51,540
The use of a risk management strategy to justify a 30-year repayment period instead of a 20-year,

668
00:56:52,540 --> 00:56:56,900
I find as an excellent use of risk management.

669
00:56:58,220 --> 00:57:01,940
And I commend the staff for looking at those types of risks as we face them,

670
00:57:01,940 --> 00:57:08,580
which also leaves flexibility in how we may respond to any future adversive occurrences.

671
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,380
So, I do support the recommendation.

672
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:12,980
The motion, okay, vice mayor?

673
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,460
Yeah, I support the motion.

674
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:20,500
I will make the comment, though, that I understand we may need to have more bond issue

675
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:21,180
into the future.

676
00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:28,940
But the way I'm calculating the math is essentially if we pay $16,000 more a month over 20

677
00:57:28,940 --> 00:57:31,700
years, we say $5.5 million.

678
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,740
Given that there is sufficient money in the enterprise to make

679
00:57:40,740 --> 00:57:46,440
that payment, I think it's worth a discussion about considering a 20-year issue in those

680
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:53,840
as opposed to the 30. I'd curious to hear other people's comments about that, but given

681
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,180
what we've passed on to our rate payers and how well that seems like it's going to be funded,

682
00:58:01,150 --> 00:58:16,410
That seems to be good math in my opinion, but I'll defer if anyone else wants to pick up on that given there's three indication of support by three Council members for the 30.

683
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:18,010
Any further comment?

684
00:58:19,170 --> 00:58:20,050
I'll just close out.

685
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:24,450
So the item before is the repayment resolution that's obviously before us.

686
00:58:24,450 --> 00:58:26,490
But I'll lend support that we're going to probably need

687
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:29,330
a robust analysis of a 20 versus 30 or plan

688
00:58:29,330 --> 00:58:32,790
because when I do the just like the vice mayor mentioned,

689
00:58:32,850 --> 00:58:36,450
when I look at the water system plan that we put together

690
00:58:36,450 --> 00:58:40,850
with a 6% assumed, depending on what we're able to obviously

691
00:58:41,450 --> 00:58:45,050
lock this interest rate in with the sales.

692
00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:50,010
We'll provide us some head room to be able to possibly absolve

693
00:58:50,010 --> 00:58:52,790
ourselves at 5.5 million that a 30 year would have provided.

694
00:58:52,790 --> 00:59:07,850
So I think I calculated it's only about $26,000 a year between the assumed rate and the strike price rate, the coupon rate, and so I would think we could save the money.

695
00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:10,830
So that will come back for a few try.

696
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:13,330
So we'll get some more robust analysis about that.

697
00:59:13,410 --> 00:59:15,270
We have a motion made in second it.

698
00:59:15,330 --> 00:59:16,590
We'll call vote please.

699
00:59:17,050 --> 00:59:18,250
Council members, Icar.

700
00:59:18,810 --> 00:59:18,830
Aye.

701
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:19,590
Testa?

702
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:20,670
Aye.

703
00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:21,730
Gatos?

704
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:22,010
Aye.

705
00:59:22,010 --> 00:59:22,990
Hi, Bert.

706
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:23,810
Hi.

707
00:59:23,810 --> 00:59:24,370
You're a Balch.

708
00:59:24,670 --> 00:59:26,150
The motion passes unanimously.

709
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:27,690
And just, thank you very much.

710
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:32,790
And just like that, we are one minute away from item number from 7 o'clock, which will

711
00:59:32,790 --> 00:59:34,590
allow us to go to item number 2.

712
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:39,630
So I'm just going to talk slowly and let us all sit for one minute.

713
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:41,010
And we've achieved 7 o'clock.

714
00:59:41,350 --> 00:59:46,470
Okay, with that, we are going to resume item number 2, which was on consent.

715
00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:48,330
It's consent part 2.

716
00:59:48,610 --> 00:59:50,210
It's only the only item.

717
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:59,970
So just to help everyone follow along, we've just completed item number nine, we're going to slide in as nine B item.

718
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,640
Formally known as item number 2, from our consent calendar, which we had noticed at 7 p.m., this is introduced

719
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:14,940
a revised ordinance number 2308 of the City Council of the City of Pleasanton approving.

720
01:00:28,020 --> 01:00:28,740
One,

721
01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:36,540
P-25-01-184, a planned unit development, P-U-D-154, planned for residential

722
01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:42,420
development with related on and off-site infrastructure, and five, a vesting

723
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,620
sub-division map, track 842-3, associated with the

724
01:00:48,620 --> 01:00:53,480
Arroyal Logo Residential Project, the revisions add two new conditions of approval

725
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,620
for wastewater treatment facilities, decidely, analysis, and funding.

726
01:00:57,620 --> 01:01:03,500
So that is the item that we're sliding in as 9B with that staff.

727
01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:04,440
Do you have any presentation?

728
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:05,360
It was on consent.

729
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:06,920
Anything at this time?

730
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:07,620
Nothing further.

731
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,520
Clarifying questions by council members.

732
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:13,500
And I, I, Mayor.

733
01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:14,140
Yes, please.

734
01:01:14,180 --> 01:01:17,200
I would like to pull it from consent.

735
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:19,000
I would like to hear that presentation.

736
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,160
I think staff just said they don't have a presentation.

737
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,880
Well, I'm sure we can come up with one, Mayor.

738
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:40,140
So, through the chair if I may very briefly, I think that as explained in the staff report,

739
01:01:40,860 --> 01:01:46,420
owing to, you know, I'll just call it a miscommunication.

740
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:57,780
There were discussions that took place between the applicant and DSRSD, prior to the last meeting

741
01:01:57,780 --> 01:02:09,740
that had to do with the need to fund the preparation of additional utility analysis to determine

742
01:02:09,740 --> 01:02:18,440
impacts on the district's system, that being the sewage treatment system. In addition in

743
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:25,940
the same time, we had understood that the applicant had agreed to mitigate any impacts that

744
01:02:25,940 --> 01:02:33,060
We're going to be identified by that analysis and funding for the study would be provided

745
01:02:33,060 --> 01:02:34,460
to DSRSD.

746
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:42,300
The two additional conditions that are being required or that are being added this evening

747
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:47,960
is essentially are intended to memorialize that.

748
01:02:47,960 --> 01:03:02,960
I think that the city also understands from our discussions with DSRSD that there are some additional concerns that aren't spoken to directly here that have to do with

749
01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:17,220
the capabilities of a sewage lift station that would serve not only this project but potentially other development out there in

750
01:03:17,220 --> 01:03:22,100
East Pleasanton, if additional annexations take place.

751
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:28,620
And so over the last gosh week, week and a half or so in discussions with the General

752
01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:35,740
Manager from DSRSD, we've also resolved to have our staffs work together to see whether

753
01:03:35,740 --> 01:03:43,360
or not there may be ways or opportunities to look at potentially accelerating forward some

754
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:49,920
additional improvements that are in the city's capital improvement program in future years

755
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:58,040
that would be contingent upon the increase in sewer rates that is currently going through the process now.

756
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:06,120
So, again, these are the only changes the discussion at the Council meeting on July 27

757
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:15,620
was pretty robust, covered a number of topics with relations with interrelation to alternative

758
01:04:15,620 --> 01:04:23,560
utility plans, off-site improvement costs related to El Charo. And so on, this would not

759
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:31,760
change any of that, as it was approved by the Council, it would merely add these two conditions.

760
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:38,460
These two conditions have also been discussed with the applicant who has concurred with having

761
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:40,960
them added to the entitlement.

762
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:48,220
So, with that, I or staff that is here this evening, happy to answer any other questions from

763
01:04:48,220 --> 01:04:48,580
Council.

764
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:49,560
Okay.

765
01:04:50,540 --> 01:04:50,680
Okay.

766
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,800
Claire, if I can question to my Council, Council member, does that sense you have the floor?

767
01:05:00,850 --> 01:05:01,270
Thank you.

768
01:05:02,110 --> 01:05:04,670
I do have a couple of others.

769
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:14,450
First of all, on that when we heard this last time, I was concerned that there were unresolved issues.

770
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:27,850
So once again, there was a significant unresolved issue that apparently staff knew about, but I don't think Council got informed that there was a letter from DSRSD.

771
01:05:27,850 --> 01:05:30,070
I don't remember hearing about that.

772
01:05:31,770 --> 01:05:35,030
So I'm concerned that we're looking

773
01:05:35,330 --> 01:05:39,790
being asked to vote on projects that

774
01:05:39,790 --> 01:05:41,630
are still have outstanding issues.

775
01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:47,770
The other is, this isn't just about the amendment

776
01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:53,450
from the DSRSD concerns where we are addressing

777
01:05:53,450 --> 01:06:05,980
the other layers, isn't that correct, a proven, the other points of the approval?

778
01:06:09,180 --> 01:06:09,920
And that's question.

779
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:18,240
I, I'm not sure that I understand the, the question council member Testa, but owing to the fact

780
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:25,480
that there are two additional conditions of approval that are being added, that were not a part of the

781
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:33,160
information that was presented to the Council on July 27th, it does require the reintroduction

782
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:41,920
of the ordinance that the council acted on July 27th. So what is before the council this evening

783
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:49,980
is the, I'll call it the reintroduction of the ordinance that essentially duplicates what you did

784
01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:59,100
July the 27th, with the exception of the addition of the two conditions of approval that are

785
01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:10,140
set forth on page two of the staff report. Okay, good. So in order to preserve my opposition of the

786
01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:19,340
under payment on the El Charles Road, we would need to break out the vote on this again, is that true?

787
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:27,520
yeah so

788
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:57,800
To clarify, I believe, what council member Testa is referring to is that on July 27, there was a discussion among the council with respect to action on the matter itself, and then there was some separate discussion that took place that had to do with a recommended plan,

789
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:06,680
be with respect to certain infrastructure in the event, there was an inability to secure

790
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:11,560
a utility easement from Zone 7, and then also the amount of money.

791
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,320
Any manager that isn't what I was referring to, I'm sorry.

792
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:21,030
Okay, so Council Member Testa, why don't if you could clarify, please?

793
01:08:23,190 --> 01:08:33,150
We had a separate vote to, that I was able to indicate my opposition to the underpayment

794
01:08:33,150 --> 01:08:45,050
of El Charo and I want to preserve that opposition in this so how do we pull that out

795
01:08:47,730 --> 01:08:52,890
this motion that approves all of these points of the project.

796
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:58,430
If I can ask the city attorney real fast and city manager, one of the things I noticed

797
01:08:58,430 --> 01:09:04,010
from the item noticed here is I think that council member tests if I recall correctly

798
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:10,490
voted in against the pre annexation agreement and that's not listed as one of the five

799
01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:11,670
items here.

800
01:09:14,340 --> 01:09:16,520
Okay, so that's not currently a part of this.

801
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,000
staff is looking at it now if we could just give them a moment please.

802
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:26,720
So that's correct. The only item before the council is the ordinance. The monetary

803
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:31,880
contribution for El Charo was part of the pre annexation and development agreement. That's

804
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,260
not being amended and so the council's action on that is not being revisited at this meeting.

805
01:09:36,620 --> 01:09:38,740
So council member Tessa did you hear that?

806
01:09:38,900 --> 01:09:43,980
I did. And thank you. That clarifies my concern. Okay. Thank you.

807
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:49,280
Okay, so with that, did you any other clarifying questions, Councilmember Tessa, why you have the floor?

808
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:50,500
No, I do not.

809
01:09:50,740 --> 01:09:52,340
Councilmember Eicher, clarifying questions?

810
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:54,160
I have none.

811
01:09:54,540 --> 01:09:55,380
Councilmember Nybert?

812
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:55,780
No.

813
01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:56,900
Vice Mayor.

814
01:09:57,140 --> 01:09:57,580
No, thank you.

815
01:09:57,700 --> 01:09:59,400
Okay, we have two speakers on this item.

816
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:04,760
If you would like to speak on item number two or item nine B formally known as item two,

817
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,160
please turn in a blue speaker card at this time.

818
01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:09,060
Our first speaker is called a Brown.

819
01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:11,040
You're obly followed by Mr. Rich Hartcliffe.

820
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,060
Three minutes please.

821
01:10:20,830 --> 01:10:21,630
I'm friendly.

822
01:10:21,630 --> 01:10:23,130
Friendly place to come back to you.

823
01:10:23,310 --> 01:10:25,130
Thank you.

824
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:28,170
Good evening city council.

825
01:10:29,210 --> 01:10:29,650
City staff.

826
01:10:29,950 --> 01:10:32,190
I'm speaking today on agenda item two as mentioned.

827
01:10:33,010 --> 01:10:34,450
Before serving on the city council.

828
01:10:35,010 --> 01:10:35,710
For 12 years.

829
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:39,770
I was a founding member of the East Pleasanton specific plan task force.

830
01:10:40,190 --> 01:10:41,650
And that's why I'm speaking here today.

831
01:10:42,230 --> 01:10:46,070
So in 2015 the city was bombarded with a thousand residents

832
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:48,970
against the development in East Pleasanton.

833
01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:53,630
I don't want to make sure you know that because many as I see staff and, of course, Council

834
01:10:53,630 --> 01:10:55,950
were not in place at the time.

835
01:10:56,230 --> 01:11:01,230
It was labeled the largest development in the history of Pleasanton, and between the drought

836
01:11:01,230 --> 01:11:07,470
and the size of the project by a raise of hands, we had 1,000 residents come to multiple meetings.

837
01:11:07,670 --> 01:11:12,710
You've never had a project like 1,000 people angry at you and I hope you never do.

838
01:11:12,710 --> 01:11:21,830
So, on a raise of hands, everyone was against East Pleasanton Development Projects, except one person, and that was the developer Steve Dunn.

839
01:11:22,450 --> 01:11:32,230
In response to 2015, based on the vast number of residents, Mayor Thorne proposed putting the entire project on hold in the council at that time agreed.

840
01:11:32,230 --> 01:11:38,330
I'm providing a staff with a copy of his guest editorial for you to review.

841
01:11:38,450 --> 01:11:42,650
As you go through this process, I know annexation can take a while.

842
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:50,790
But while developing the 2024-2031 has a government staff used a survey, the City Council,

843
01:11:51,390 --> 01:11:55,090
and they created a rubric score saying, where is a good site?

844
01:11:55,090 --> 01:12:02,630
Again, East Positon was ranked poorly and result was a zero score.

845
01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:11,130
So for many reasons for that, as mentioned by former council member, Valerie Arkin, but

846
01:12:11,130 --> 01:12:18,770
also the Livermore area, airport protection area referred to as APA, in the general

847
01:12:18,770 --> 01:12:26,890
plan states there will be no residential land use within the APA and this site is right next

848
01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:27,690
to it.

849
01:12:27,710 --> 01:12:32,590
East Lakes that may come before you is within the airport protection area.

850
01:12:32,970 --> 01:12:34,730
You would violate if you approve that.

851
01:12:35,150 --> 01:12:37,390
Your own general plan.

852
01:12:38,170 --> 01:12:46,850
So, as we look forward also, these Pleasant and Task Force hired a geotechnical engineer and

853
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:51,270
stated that you're going to have to wick that property because it's so wet, remember

854
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:55,490
you're right next to lakes. So the property would have to be wick to be for housing

855
01:12:55,490 --> 01:13:03,250
could be constructed. So I'd like you to tell me, with this, would a new dream house under

856
01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:10,630
an airport flight plan, which in use 24 hours a day. subject to hard-scape settling, near

857
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:15,870
possible sites for PFAS contamination, such as the Operation Services Center, the chain of

858
01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:22,250
rights, the Garbage Station, first street traffic, and a road that hasn't been completed.

859
01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:24,730
That means Arayolago.

860
01:13:24,830 --> 01:13:25,210
Thank you.

861
01:13:25,230 --> 01:13:26,270
Should be a zero.

862
01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:27,710
Thank you very much for your time.

863
01:13:28,290 --> 01:13:28,530
Okay.

864
01:13:28,890 --> 01:13:29,770
Mr. Rich Hartlet.

865
01:13:31,130 --> 01:13:31,590
Three minutes.

866
01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:34,750
This is my last speaker card on this item.

867
01:13:34,930 --> 01:13:38,950
If you would like to speak on item number 9B, formerly known as 2, please approach the podium

868
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:39,530
at this time.

869
01:13:39,670 --> 01:13:39,890
Welcome.

870
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:42,330
Mayor Balsch.

871
01:13:42,350 --> 01:13:43,030
Council members.

872
01:13:43,130 --> 01:13:44,470
Thank you so much for letting me speak.

873
01:13:45,310 --> 01:13:49,650
I'm Rich Halker, I'm president, a currently president of the DSRC Board.

874
01:13:51,330 --> 01:13:54,790
I want to have two points and I'll be fast.

875
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:58,770
We've been working together for 50 years.

876
01:14:00,190 --> 01:14:01,070
We are, we are joined.

877
01:14:01,610 --> 01:14:07,490
So when we put in letters and we want to get stuff into the record, it's not an oppositional

878
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:07,930
thing.

879
01:14:08,090 --> 01:14:12,790
It is, we're working together to be blunt.

880
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:20,370
When you flush your toilets, they go to the same place when I flush my toilets, so we all, you know, it's it's a it's a it's a vested interest to work together on this stuff

881
01:14:21,070 --> 01:14:27,190
So we appreciate that you reopen the record and you got our two stipulation in I want to thank you for that

882
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:36,330
We do need to work on this lift station, which I know is not tied directly to this project, but it's something that needs to be addressed

883
01:14:37,210 --> 01:14:39,990
when something goes along in a lift station

884
01:14:41,090 --> 01:14:47,290
bad stuff ends up on the streets and when bad stuff ends up on your streets we're going to

885
01:14:47,290 --> 01:14:52,550
get blame for it to suck you and we don't want that to happen so I want to encourage

886
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:59,550
us to be very very very very a collaborative on that project let's get it funded.

887
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,060
Let's get it built. We don't want the bad stuff to happen right in the middle of your sports park.

888
01:15:07,780 --> 01:15:15,560
Anyway, thank you so much for addressing our concerns. We appreciate it. We're all in this together, so we're going to get through this.

889
01:15:16,140 --> 01:15:19,200
I understand this project may not be the project you all want.

890
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:26,580
I've been through several of those in my past, and we're just going to have to, you know, actually work the problem and get it done.

891
01:15:27,340 --> 01:15:36,960
Thank you. Okay, thank you very much. This is my last speaker card on item number two, formerly known as item number two, item 9B. Do we have any comments on line?

892
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,540
We do, Sarah Callahan.

893
01:15:44,850 --> 01:15:57,130
Hi, good evening. My name is Sarah Callahan and I'm here on behalf of East Bay Residence for Responsible Development, which includes 2,000 members who live and work in race families in Alameda County.

894
01:15:57,130 --> 01:16:03,830
Tonight, with the Council considering whether to initiate annexation of the ORIO Laws of Project Site,

895
01:16:04,090 --> 01:16:10,070
approve the revised conditions of approval and approve the project entitlements wanted to add our voice.

896
01:16:10,530 --> 01:16:17,670
These actions are premature because the city has not resolved critical issues related to the wastewater treatment

897
01:16:17,670 --> 01:16:25,010
and cumulative impacts from this project combined with developer steel waves proposed East Lakes residential project.

898
01:16:25,010 --> 01:16:34,070
The East Lakes would be located next to the Owera Logo and would add an additional 350 to 700 residential units to the area.

899
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:44,450
In 2025 the Sea Council discussed both Owera Logo and East Lakes projects and directed staff to process annexation and development of these two projects.

900
01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:51,370
In July, the city approved the CEQA, a dendom for Aureilaga, which did not resolve these issues.

901
01:16:51,870 --> 01:16:58,110
Tonight's hearing adds new conditions of approval for the applicants to participate in wastewater treatment analysis,

902
01:16:58,470 --> 01:17:08,710
and funding for the Aureilaga project, because the Dublin San Ramone Service District's master plan did not address the wastewater treatment capacity for the end of the end of the end of the end of the project sites.

903
01:17:08,710 --> 01:17:14,450
But the condition of approval doesn't require analysis of the wastewater treatment impacts from the

904
01:17:14,450 --> 01:17:17,790
developers' other projects, the East Lake Projects.

905
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:23,030
If the East Lake site is also annexed, it will create more strain on the water service

906
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:27,870
district's wastewater treatment infrastructure that must be addressed in the new wastewater analysis.

907
01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:32,710
The city has not done an adequate job of addressing the cumulative public health and environmental

908
01:17:32,710 --> 01:17:37,150
impacts that are railing and East Lake projects will have on the pleasant and community.

909
01:17:37,150 --> 01:17:42,890
the council should push pause and ask staff to revise the project's condition of approval and address

910
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:47,330
cumulative wastewater impacts before moving forward with a rail logout. Thank you very much.

911
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:51,190
Okay. Thank you. Any further comments online?

912
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,920
None. Okay. We had an additional public comment in the room come in. Steve Riley. Three minutes.

913
01:18:01,430 --> 01:18:05,790
Good evening. Honourable Mayor and council members. I'm Steve Riley. The applicant for

914
01:18:05,790 --> 01:18:11,030
a rail logout with 330 land company. I just wanted to make a couple of points to clarify things.

915
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:16,790
Number one, we have already signed an MOU with DSRSD regarding this issue and we've already

916
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:20,050
actually paid for the technical study that they've requested.

917
01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:25,710
So the conditions of approval, I think, as somebody mentioned, it's just a memorialization

918
01:18:25,710 --> 01:18:27,790
of something we've already agreed to.

919
01:18:28,030 --> 01:18:31,810
With regard to some of the other comments made by the earlier public speakers, I would

920
01:18:31,810 --> 01:18:36,450
like to note that in addition to a Royal Agua, I also, as part of the development team for

921
01:18:36,450 --> 01:18:42,170
villages of the quarry project. At that project, it only went to the planning commission.

922
01:18:42,430 --> 01:18:49,670
We had zero public opposition to that project at a Royal logo which was heard three weeks ago.

923
01:18:49,670 --> 01:18:55,590
I believe there was two public speakers that spoke in opposition to the project and probably

924
01:18:55,590 --> 01:19:02,910
it doesn't speakers that spoke in favor of the project. So we feel like whatever happened five or

925
01:19:02,910 --> 01:19:05,430
10 years ago, is somewhat irrelevant to today.

926
01:19:05,690 --> 01:19:09,330
And today, the projects in East Pleasanton have essentially

927
01:19:09,330 --> 01:19:11,950
received overwhelming support for approval

928
01:19:11,950 --> 01:19:14,030
from the Citizens of Pleasanton.

929
01:19:14,170 --> 01:19:14,810
Thank you.

930
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:15,530
OK.

931
01:19:16,610 --> 01:19:18,810
That's my last public speaker card.

932
01:19:18,810 --> 01:19:22,710
If you would like to speak on item 9B, formally known as item 2,

933
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:25,350
please approach the podium at this time.

934
01:19:26,330 --> 01:19:27,690
And no additional online.

935
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:28,210
OK.

936
01:19:28,290 --> 01:19:30,490
We'll close public comment and bring it back to the council.

937
01:19:30,490 --> 01:19:37,810
So, staff, if I can just ask a clarifying question to start us off, clearly, as I recall

938
01:19:37,810 --> 01:19:42,550
from the last time we handled this matter, there was a lot of work still to do, including

939
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:47,410
negotiating with the county for our property tax sharing agreement, renegredits, and quite

940
01:19:47,410 --> 01:19:48,370
a lot to do.

941
01:19:48,670 --> 01:19:54,970
So, the concept that more is to come is a expected status.

942
01:19:55,550 --> 01:20:13,750
Correct, it's very standard that there are, we call, post entitlement, approvals that are required that typically are conditioned as part of the entitlement to require further study, investigation, design, level,

943
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:15,830
We've been building plans and engineering plans.

944
01:20:16,230 --> 01:20:21,810
That's not necessarily part of this more macro level approval that happens with the approval

945
01:20:21,810 --> 01:20:23,150
of the subdivision overall.

946
01:20:23,650 --> 01:20:25,450
So yes, there is more work to come.

947
01:20:26,210 --> 01:20:28,710
And that does include additional study and design.

948
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:31,910
And then my second question just helped us off.

949
01:20:33,010 --> 01:20:38,570
I have heard this before, but just to clarify, a second subsequent project, we have no application

950
01:20:38,570 --> 01:20:39,110
for that.

951
01:20:39,170 --> 01:20:39,650
We don't.

952
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:41,210
I mean, we are obviously in conversation.

953
01:20:41,210 --> 01:20:44,310
But we don't anywhere in our city.

954
01:20:44,430 --> 01:20:48,170
We don't hold up one application from being reviewed or processed

955
01:20:48,170 --> 01:20:51,310
when another one might be adjacent to it, correct?

956
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:53,670
So for the record record, we actually do have an application

957
01:20:53,670 --> 01:20:55,530
to handle, though, that was received very recently.

958
01:20:55,810 --> 01:20:58,170
So within the last month, I think it was submitted

959
01:20:59,110 --> 01:21:03,370
and long before, obviously, this project will be evaluated on its merits.

960
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:06,210
Correct. And so that project will come with

961
01:21:06,990 --> 01:21:10,290
the current thinking is to do a comprehensive EIR

962
01:21:10,290 --> 01:21:16,110
for that project that will look at the cumulative impacts of it and all the prior projects that

963
01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:21,450
have come online before. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, so we'll bring it back to Council,

964
01:21:21,550 --> 01:21:27,170
Council Member Tessu, you let us off on this item. Do you want to start us off anything further here?

965
01:21:29,180 --> 01:21:41,360
Well, I would question the suggestion that businesses usual when apparently my understanding is on this,

966
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:50,160
the letter from DSRSD came in before we were hearing this item on what was at the 27th and we

967
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:57,120
weren't told about it and so I think that's very different than just an expectation that other

968
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:07,500
things may come up and the my other point well I'll just I'll leave it at that and I have no

969
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:15,340
comments. Okay, counts my riker. I had a couple questions, but you asked them both.

970
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:18,780
I

971
01:22:18,780 --> 01:22:26,420
really don't have any comments, so then I would support moving forward with

972
01:22:26,420 --> 01:22:29,980
staff recommendations, so I'll make a motion. Okay, we have a motion date.

973
01:22:34,150 --> 01:22:44,470
No comments really, this seems to me like a doover from a few weeks ago, so I can't see myself opposing it.

974
01:22:44,770 --> 01:22:45,170
Second, the motion.

975
01:22:45,670 --> 01:22:46,110
Second, the motion.

976
01:22:46,710 --> 01:22:47,030
Vice Mayor?

977
01:22:47,650 --> 01:22:48,750
No comments on the key.

978
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:49,810
I support for the motion.

979
01:22:51,610 --> 01:22:58,710
I'll just continue to say that the choice between us is the county plan that the developer or property owner

980
01:22:58,710 --> 01:23:04,650
has which contains a leach field and sewer treatment plant right next to our drinking water supply.

981
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:10,510
That's the county plan approved or a city plan which has them connecting to city utilities.

982
01:23:11,550 --> 01:23:17,310
And it does address the topography change elevation change between them and the adjacent neighborhoods.

983
01:23:18,710 --> 01:23:23,410
So those are the choices between us. Here we are.

984
01:23:23,410 --> 01:23:30,310
Okay, we have a motion made in seconded. We'll call vote. Please. This is item 9b formerly known as item 2.

985
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:31,550
Council number is Iker.

986
01:23:31,650 --> 01:23:31,870
Aye.

987
01:23:32,190 --> 01:23:32,750
Nivered.

988
01:23:32,750 --> 01:23:33,010
Aye.

989
01:23:33,370 --> 01:23:33,810
Gados.

990
01:23:33,870 --> 01:23:34,190
Aye.

991
01:23:34,350 --> 01:23:35,290
Test staff.

992
01:23:36,210 --> 01:23:36,370
Aye.

993
01:23:36,650 --> 01:23:37,270
We are Balch.

994
01:23:37,730 --> 01:23:38,870
The motion passes unanimously.

995
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:40,250
Thank you very much.

996
01:23:40,690 --> 01:23:44,310
That concludes item 9b formerly known as item 2.

997
01:23:45,810 --> 01:23:50,630
And with that, we are at 724. So we are after 7 o'clock for item number 10.

998
01:23:50,630 --> 01:23:57,030
It is quite lengthy, but it's adopted a resolution to deny applications for a PUD, and I'll

999
01:23:57,030 --> 01:24:01,630
just say it's at 2-3-1, Old Bernel Avenue, skipping the stuff in the middle, but DA

1000
01:24:01,630 --> 01:24:04,610
who can help us out and introduce the full item, please.

1001
01:24:07,340 --> 01:24:07,560
Thank you.

1002
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,180
Good evening, City Council.

1003
01:24:10,540 --> 01:24:11,580
Before you.

1004
01:24:11,580 --> 01:24:13,100
We're sticking for apologies.

1005
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:15,960
Thank you for that.

1006
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,640
As mentioned, good evening, City Council.

1007
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:27,080
And before you is item 10 on the agenda, I adopt a resolution to deny applications for a

1008
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:31,920
plan unit development, rezoning to rezone the subject parcel from mixed use transitional

1009
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:38,720
district to, excuse me, plan unit development mixed use transitional district to a certificate

1010
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:49,620
of appropriateness to demolish an existing 6,160 square foot commercial office building in the

1011
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:54,560
You construct a three story four unit residential building with the units ranging in size

1012
01:24:54,560 --> 01:25:00,920
from 430 square feet to 13,626 square feet and associated site improvements located at

1013
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,860
231 old Bernel Avenue.

1014
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:09,520
The proposed project is subject to and was analyzed by the following, general plan with the

1015
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,900
land use mixed use zoning with the designation of mixed use transitional.

1016
01:25:13,780 --> 01:25:17,840
The DSP known as the downtown specific plan with the land use designation of mixed

1017
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:22,300
these transitional, the downtown design guidelines, the objective design, standards, the

1018
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:29,380
pleasant to miss a code, and assembly bill AB 2097. The $21,381 square foot subject

1019
01:25:29,380 --> 01:25:33,420
law is a located along old Bernel Avenue between Augustine Street and Peter's Avenue.

1020
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,820
The law is generally flat, consists of 34 protected trees, and is currently developed when

1021
01:25:37,820 --> 01:25:42,900
approximately 6,100 square foot, two story multi-tinent commercial office building, measuring

1022
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:47,140
approximately 25 feet in height. The structure is set back approximately 20 feet from

1023
01:25:47,140 --> 01:25:48,400
front property line

1024
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:56,870
proposed projects the proposed project proposed to demolish the existing office

1025
01:25:56,870 --> 01:26:02,190
buildings and construct a three story four unit residential building consisting of three studio units

1026
01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:09,810
A B and C each B and 430 square feet unit D being 13,626 square feet within approximately

1027
01:26:09,810 --> 01:26:16,550
height 34 feet the project also proposes two parking spaces but is invoking AB 297 which prohibits

1028
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:21,030
public agencies from imposing minimum parking requirements for most development projects within

1029
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:23,010
a half mile of a major transit.

1030
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:30,860
As noted, the four-unit residential buildings located on a 21,381 square foot lot.

1031
01:26:30,940 --> 01:26:35,360
The project proposes driveway access from Augustine Street and consists of the following

1032
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:35,940
setbacks.

1033
01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:43,380
Front, nine feet, when ten feet is required, rear 37 feet, six inches, side setback, a minimum

1034
01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:48,180
six feet, when seven is required, and a combined setback of 24 feet, ten inches.

1035
01:26:49,020 --> 01:26:53,320
The three studio units are located along the west wall of the building with the larger unit

1036
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,700
D encompassing the remaining of the building and three floor levels.

1037
01:26:56,860 --> 01:27:05,480
The proposed FAR-71% although the project invokes AV-297 it includes two parking spaces within the proposed car garage.

1038
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,540
The project poses as mentioned a 34 foot height as measured for the PMC.

1039
01:27:11,580 --> 01:27:14,580
The project also proposes traditional architectural modern elements.

1040
01:27:14,580 --> 01:27:21,760
These modern farm styles is characterized by wood sighting, cable roof form, and contrasting natural stone veneer.

1041
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:27,700
Additionally, the design incorporates vertical wood sighting, oyster stone veneer tiles, and a black standing seam at a roof.

1042
01:27:27,940 --> 01:27:33,160
Detailed trim elements include black door and window trims, and black painted guardrails for the second story balcony.

1043
01:27:33,660 --> 01:27:41,280
The building south facade features a combination of roof forms, including slope and flat roofs, and a tricky articulation to break masking and columns between floors.

1044
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:51,560
The west elevation rises three stories with a third story slightly step back from the first and second force no additional articulations provided between the lower force such as belly vents or step backs

1045
01:27:52,440 --> 01:27:58,320
Here we see additional renderings of the proposed design before you is the left side, which is the west side of the project

1046
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,920
Here we have the east side of the project

1047
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,260
And lastly we have the rear side

1048
01:28:06,860 --> 01:28:31,860
The site's general plan designation is mixed use, and the downtown to mix these land use designation permits residential uses located behind commercial uses, the allowable density from mixed use residential 20 to 20 units per the acre with a minimum of 10 units for this particular site, the project proposes 4 units, FAR is established per the DSP, which is 125% project proposes 71%.

1049
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:37,660
The site's DSP land use vaccination is mixed use transitional, as outlined in the Agenda Report.

1050
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,800
The proposed project is inconsistent with the DSP.

1051
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:46,800
Project conflicts with DSP, MUT policies, the proposed project is 100% residential development

1052
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,100
in an area intended to support a mix of commercial and residential uses.

1053
01:28:50,500 --> 01:28:52,040
The project does not provide the following.

1054
01:28:52,540 --> 01:28:54,380
Record street-fronting commercial space.

1055
01:28:54,780 --> 01:28:58,180
Flexible ground floor commercial space designed for future services uses.

1056
01:28:58,180 --> 01:29:03,880
Retention of existing commercial square footage commercial frontage that maintains an active downtown streetscape

1057
01:29:05,060 --> 01:29:11,880
The proposal results in a 100% net loss of commercial space contrary to DSP objective supporting downtown economic vitality

1058
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:17,320
Residential densities below the DSP and general plan expectations for downtown and field development

1059
01:29:17,940 --> 01:29:23,580
staff find the projects inconsistent with DSP goals and policies intended to one preserve downtown commercial

1060
01:29:24,420 --> 01:29:25,800
Excuse me

1061
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:30,580
The ability maintains small townscare and character and encouraged context sensitive infill

1062
01:29:30,580 --> 01:29:32,620
development compatible with town town standards.

1063
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:37,320
With respects to high and massive, the proposed building, as mentioned, is three stories

1064
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,040
in 34 feet tall.

1065
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:43,320
DSP standards for residential uses in the MET district limit buildings to two stories in

1066
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,840
30 feet with the maximum high 30 feet.

1067
01:29:46,020 --> 01:29:49,080
Exceeds at DSP residential high standards by four feet in one story.

1068
01:29:49,420 --> 01:29:53,440
The building would also exceed the DSP transitions standards by being more than 15 feet

1069
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:55,200
taller than the adjacent residential structure.

1070
01:29:57,900 --> 01:29:59,840
Excuse me, with respect to the design.

1071
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,980
DSP emphasizes pedestrian-oriented architecture and compatibility with downtown character. Staff identified several inconsistencies, including exclusion of storefront style frontage or active street facing design, primary entrance oriented toward the driveway rather than the public street, limited indication of landscaping and pedestrian scale architectural elements, absence of traditional downtown residential features such as porches articulated the saws and street facing entries. Staff find the project does not further DSP goals to reinforce downtown pedestrian oriented design

1072
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:30,400
character.

1073
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:34,900
Preserve the scale of massing of surrounding residential neighborhoods, support, compatible

1074
01:30:34,900 --> 01:30:37,180
streetscape enhancements and visual transitions.

1075
01:30:39,490 --> 01:30:43,550
The site is subject to the 2023 Objective Design Standards for Multifamily Housing in the

1076
01:30:43,550 --> 01:30:45,330
RMCC and MU zoning districts.

1077
01:30:46,010 --> 01:30:49,870
The property is owned and MUT, which allows residential and mix use development as part of the

1078
01:30:49,870 --> 01:30:50,590
PD application.

1079
01:30:50,850 --> 01:30:54,410
The applicant has requested deviation from non-compliant objective design standards.

1080
01:30:55,530 --> 01:31:00,890
As further described, as further described in the agenda report, staff identifies 33 ODS standards

1081
01:31:00,890 --> 01:31:03,570
that are either not met or unable to be verified

1082
01:31:03,570 --> 01:31:04,890
due to incomplete plans.

1083
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:07,890
The following is that some of those ODS standards not met.

1084
01:31:08,410 --> 01:31:09,970
With respect to site layout and access,

1085
01:31:10,150 --> 01:31:11,730
project access is oriented primarily

1086
01:31:11,730 --> 01:31:13,750
toward the driveway on Augustine Street,

1087
01:31:13,890 --> 01:31:15,970
rather than the front-age along Old Bernal Avenue.

1088
01:31:16,730 --> 01:31:19,230
Plans are not clearly demonstrate pedestrian connectivity

1089
01:31:19,230 --> 01:31:21,810
from the public sidewalk to unit entrances.

1090
01:31:22,090 --> 01:31:23,430
Building orientation does not support

1091
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:25,410
an active pedestrian-oriented streetscape.

1092
01:31:26,610 --> 01:31:27,410
Setbacks and height.

1093
01:31:27,710 --> 01:31:30,230
As mentioned, the pool of setbacks are not conforming.

1094
01:31:30,230 --> 01:31:38,130
9-foot front setbacks, 6-foot west side setbacks, ODS-looking planer-quark, a greater setback adjacent to residential properties,

1095
01:31:38,330 --> 01:31:41,590
not conforming by approximately 9 feet along the west side setback.

1096
01:31:42,270 --> 01:31:46,770
The proposed height is proposed at 3 stories in 34 feet per the ODS and DSP,

1097
01:31:46,910 --> 01:31:49,990
the address limit residential building to 2 stories in 30 feet maximum.

1098
01:31:51,370 --> 01:31:54,010
With respect to building designing architecture and consistencies,

1099
01:31:54,890 --> 01:31:59,090
building orientation and active frontages, visible and accessible primary entrances,

1100
01:31:59,090 --> 01:32:04,630
architecture and articulation for sod and modulation, building massing and volume, high-quality

1101
01:32:04,630 --> 01:32:06,550
materials and transparency requirements.

1102
01:32:08,830 --> 01:32:11,170
With respect to open space and landscaping, the projects

1103
01:32:11,170 --> 01:32:17,470
require to provide open space of 750 square feet per unit. Private open space is not provided

1104
01:32:17,470 --> 01:32:22,630
for the three studio units. Plants are not clearly identified, tree removal versus tree retinues,

1105
01:32:22,970 --> 01:32:28,990
vehicle gate design details, compliance of bicycle parking areas, and utilities and service areas,

1106
01:32:28,990 --> 01:32:32,910
the project plans and not yet demonstrate compliance with stormwater requirements, sewer and

1107
01:32:32,910 --> 01:32:37,530
utility standards, refuse enclosure locations standards, and refuse areas are proposed

1108
01:32:37,530 --> 01:32:41,490
within 50 feet of the primary entrance, contrary to ODS requirements.

1109
01:32:43,170 --> 01:32:46,530
The table before you also included in the agenda report provides a summary of the project

1110
01:32:46,530 --> 01:32:50,790
performance with a applicable site development standards for the DSP, MUT and ODS.

1111
01:32:51,470 --> 01:32:56,070
As illustrated, the project is not conformed to the front setbacks, the side setbacks,

1112
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:59,130
the private open space and the height measurements.

1113
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:08,360
Inclusionary zoning ordinance for PMC Section 1744-040A, the ICO

1114
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,880
applies to all new residential force cell and rental projects, including mixed

1115
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,580
use residential and non-residential projects, consisting of 10 or more residential

1116
01:33:15,580 --> 01:33:16,640
units or parcels.

1117
01:33:17,140 --> 01:33:21,240
The ICO does not apply to the proposed four unit residential project, however, the project

1118
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:25,200
is required to pay affordable housing fees pursuant to the city's master fees schedule.

1119
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:34,200
Certificate of the appropriateness as required for PMC chapter 1874, the project seeks approval for a certificate of appropriateness.

1120
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:40,400
Unless the applicant can establish that there is unnecessary hardship in the strict application of chapter 18.74,

1121
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:49,560
it may be denied or delayed if one deproposed demolition of a structure would be inappropriate or inconsistent with the purposes of the PMC chapter 1874,

1122
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:54,460
or that the proposed demolition would have an adverse effect on a joining property or on the

1123
01:33:54,460 --> 01:33:59,140
build context or that the proposed future use and design of the property would be inconsistent

1124
01:33:59,140 --> 01:34:05,680
with PMC chapter 18.74 or the adopted guidelines. Staff find the proposed future use and design

1125
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:09,660
of the property would be inconsistent with the applicable guidelines and standards.

1126
01:34:11,700 --> 01:34:18,260
As required per PMC 1868, 18.68, the project seeks to see the council make the PD findings

1127
01:34:18,260 --> 01:34:25,960
pursuing section 18.68, point 110, B1 through seven as seen here on this presentation slide,

1128
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:30,000
per staff's detailed analysis, and the agenda report staff believe the proposed project

1129
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,080
does not satisfy the PED findings.

1130
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,180
Planning Commission in action, as mentioned, the agenda report, the Planning Commission

1131
01:34:39,180 --> 01:34:44,320
held a public hearing on May 27, 2026 to review the proposed project and provide a recommendation

1132
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:45,320
to city council.

1133
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,980
In addition to the applicant, two members of the public spoke, two speakers and adjacent

1134
01:34:49,980 --> 01:34:54,600
neighbor to the north and a local resident on August 3, expressed opposition to the project

1135
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:59,060
citing concerns regarding the number of requested deviations from applicable standards and policies.

1136
01:34:59,860 --> 01:35:04,780
The characterization of the project as a single unit residence, rather than a multi-family

1137
01:35:04,780 --> 01:35:10,380
or mixed use development, future use of the building, following ownership changes, and potential

1138
01:35:10,380 --> 01:35:15,720
impacts on parking, privacy, sunlight, and property values. After listening to public testimony

1139
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:21,500
and discussing the project, the Commission voted to adopt resolution number PC-2026-14

1140
01:35:21,500 --> 01:35:25,580
recommending the city council denied the applications for rezoning, is certificate of

1141
01:35:25,580 --> 01:35:33,440
appropriateness, and a PED development plan, filed case numbers P26-03060 and PED-152.

1142
01:35:34,460 --> 01:35:38,960
Sequoet does not apply to projects that the city rejects or disapproves, should the city council

1143
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,380
wish to approve the project staff would evaluate the project for compliance with

1144
01:35:42,380 --> 01:35:47,380
and return to the City Council at a future public hearing for formal consideration and action.

1145
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,460
Staff recommendation, adopt a resolution to the Nye Applications for one,

1146
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:58,360
a plan unit development rezoning P2600360 to rezone the subject parcel from mixed use

1147
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:08,680
transitional district to plan unit development mixed use transitional district to a certificate of

1148
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:17,700
downtown revitalization district and three APD development plan PD 152 to construct a three story for unit residential building with units

1149
01:36:17,700 --> 01:36:26,620
Reginean size from 430 square feet 13,626 square feet and associated site improvements located at 231 old burnout Avenue

1150
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:32,700
That concludes that presentation and is available for questions. Okay, thank you very much

1151
01:36:32,700 --> 01:36:39,060
So we'll go with clarifying questions, Council Member Nyber, I'm starting with you, I'm going this way though.

1152
01:36:39,460 --> 01:36:40,760
So don't let me forget about your vice mayor.

1153
01:36:44,460 --> 01:36:44,640
Good.

1154
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:53,780
Planning Commission requested that the Council determine that none of the seven findings can be made.

1155
01:36:56,020 --> 01:36:57,460
Seven findings are called out specifically.

1156
01:36:57,460 --> 01:36:58,620
I think they're in the presentation.

1157
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:02,480
Correct.

1158
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,100
That not all seven could be made.

1159
01:37:06,350 --> 01:37:10,910
Just suppose that Council found that a few of them could be made.

1160
01:37:10,910 --> 01:37:16,390
not saying that's going to happen but what happens then. So in general all of the

1161
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:20,630
findings need to be made in order to approve the project. Understood okay thank you

1162
01:37:20,630 --> 01:37:22,530
clarifying that.

1163
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:29,760
Playing Commission voted three to one two.

1164
01:37:30,500 --> 01:37:33,160
Recommend the city council deny these applications.

1165
01:37:35,300 --> 01:37:43,360
Do we call? I didn't watch the planning commission meeting. Do we call the one? Having some opinions about that?

1166
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:58,270
From staff's recollection regarding the support for the project was for the need of the residential housing units and finding that justification to be made regarding housing.

1167
01:38:00,270 --> 01:38:02,530
Okay. All right.

1168
01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:18,480
AB 2097 is mentioned as the applicant proposed to use the provisions

1169
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:29,860
of that law, which is a fairly new law, as I understand it. In the tranche of housing laws

1170
01:38:29,860 --> 01:38:34,140
but the legislature has passed over the last five, six, seven years,

1171
01:38:37,610 --> 01:38:37,930
and that would

1172
01:38:37,930 --> 01:38:42,910
preclude the city from imposing minimum parking requirements due to proximity to public transit.

1173
01:38:44,990 --> 01:38:53,550
So public transit in this case, being the A station, railroad station, and despite the fact that it

1174
01:38:53,550 --> 01:38:56,330
just has a few trains going through in the morning, and a few trains coming through

1175
01:38:56,330 --> 01:39:03,670
night with passengers and they have the list qualifies for transit oriented development.

1176
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:20,710
Could an applicant that owns this property seek immensely higher densities and other benefits from that law?

1177
01:39:21,190 --> 01:39:29,290
Not AB 2097 specifically, however there are a number of other state laws that would allow

1178
01:39:29,290 --> 01:39:34,410
with very limited discretion on the part of the city, a significantly higher density project

1179
01:39:34,410 --> 01:39:38,290
to come forward. That was consistent with the zoning and objectives standards.

1180
01:39:39,150 --> 01:39:47,970
OK. And in that case, as the council has faced in other proposed projects that could be required

1181
01:39:47,970 --> 01:39:52,650
approval by council, ministerially, depending on the project.

1182
01:39:53,250 --> 01:39:58,570
Yeah, we depend on the nature of the application, but you know, as you know, the just down the street,

1183
01:39:58,570 --> 01:40:05,110
the project at 488 for Harrison, actually was approved without council, without the council

1184
01:40:05,110 --> 01:40:11,430
approval, ministerially as administrative action pursuant to SB 35 and SB 330.

1185
01:40:11,970 --> 01:40:14,710
Did this applicant also own that property?

1186
01:40:15,410 --> 01:40:21,710
The same applicant does own, currently the property down the street, there is a revised

1187
01:40:21,710 --> 01:40:27,430
application that's being processed for a, I think, is an eight unit town home project

1188
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:32,070
on that site versus the high density housing that was proposed to you have that other

1189
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:35,870
high density how many fewer units is the application proposing there as opposed to the

1190
01:40:35,870 --> 01:40:43,830
previous if I remember correctly it was about it was over 80 units in the I got remember it

1191
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:52,390
was it significantly more 8 versus all say 10s of units on the other side okay all right I have

1192
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:56,170
no further questions right now thank you okay council member tessic clarifying questions

1193
01:40:56,170 --> 01:40:56,670
What's the staff?

1194
01:41:01,650 --> 01:41:08,810
I'm wondering, was there any communication from the applicant with staff trying to work?

1195
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:21,990
I'm surprised that they couldn't achieve their goal with an understanding of how it could

1196
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:28,570
work into our very protected downtown.

1197
01:41:30,370 --> 01:41:43,230
I mean, as is implied by Councilmember Nyberg, four units, compared to what could happen

1198
01:41:43,230 --> 01:41:51,630
instead, but then right to fit into downtown, was there working together did they come to

1199
01:41:51,630 --> 01:41:53,850
staff in the process?

1200
01:41:54,590 --> 01:42:00,830
Yeah, we had, I'll say, a new mobile conversations with the applicant in an effort to produce

1201
01:42:00,830 --> 01:42:07,570
a project that balanced what they were seeking to do, which was a large, you know, multi-generational

1202
01:42:08,130 --> 01:42:14,330
single-family home, a modest number of additional smaller units to help to improve the unit

1203
01:42:14,330 --> 01:42:19,690
count and to potentially meet our housing and density goals for the site and to incorporate

1204
01:42:21,330 --> 01:42:26,590
the, if not the letter, but the spirit of a lot of our downtown guidelines around commercial

1205
01:42:26,590 --> 01:42:32,670
front-age pedestrian orientation, building massing, and I think we described, we're trying

1206
01:42:32,670 --> 01:42:35,550
not to go into too much painful detail, but there were a number of different iterations of

1207
01:42:35,550 --> 01:42:40,470
the project over time, some of which included some commercial space, some of which didn't,

1208
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:49,610
And we just ultimately couldn't get there and couldn't get to a place where staff could support a project that was close enough to what the applicant wanted to propose.

1209
01:42:50,110 --> 01:42:51,310
So, you know, here we are.

1210
01:42:51,770 --> 01:42:56,050
We don't generally like to bring projects forward that we can't recommend approval of.

1211
01:42:56,130 --> 01:42:57,790
That's not our, not our preference.

1212
01:42:58,830 --> 01:43:08,990
I think we tried and I know Diego and Derek and other staff worked very hard with the applicant to try and come to some consensus on design that could sort of meet meet that meet in the middle in terms of an acceptable.

1213
01:43:10,510 --> 01:43:12,430
configuration of the project of world.

1214
01:43:19,660 --> 01:43:21,280
It wasn't sure you were done there, sorry.

1215
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:23,020
Okay.

1216
01:43:23,540 --> 01:43:24,500
I have no other questions.

1217
01:43:24,660 --> 01:43:25,220
Thank you.

1218
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:25,520
Okay.

1219
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:26,340
Councilmember Ryker.

1220
01:43:33,340 --> 01:43:33,920
Thank you.

1221
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,900
Councilmember Neighbor and Councilmember Tastic.

1222
01:43:36,980 --> 01:43:39,080
As you both asked my first two questions.

1223
01:43:40,580 --> 01:43:44,640
Do we know the maximum number of units that that site could hold?

1224
01:43:45,820 --> 01:43:46,980
I believe it's 10.

1225
01:43:48,380 --> 01:43:51,940
It's 10 based on the site size and the 20 unit per acre.

1226
01:43:53,660 --> 01:44:05,780
So, and the other question I have is, if we deny the applications, what do you foresee is next steps?

1227
01:44:05,980 --> 01:44:08,060
What does that look like in your mind?

1228
01:44:09,480 --> 01:44:20,840
So, denial of a project typically would send an applicant back to the drawing board to come back with a project that was potentially more more consistent

1229
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:28,880
with the downtown specific plan and would meet more of the standards so obviously to the extent

1230
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:33,760
that the council would have thoughts or comments or direction on the sort of project you would like

1231
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:39,340
to see come back that would be probably helpful to the applicant or they may simply choose not to move

1232
01:44:39,340 --> 01:44:45,420
forward with any project at all on that site and either dispose of it or propose something completely

1233
01:44:45,420 --> 01:44:45,820
different.

1234
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:54,480
Perfect. Thank you. Okay. My questions are all answered. Thank you. Okay. So I have a few

1235
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:59,980
follow-up to what was just asked about if I may staff, which is I understand it's 20-

1236
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:20,380
It's an acre per the zoning, right, in the downtown specific plan, of course. But my question is, is with the half mile from the ace station and state law, the way it is, could they not come back with a transit oriented development with no parking that could be much more dense than that?

1237
01:45:20,380 --> 01:45:27,680
Yes, is the long story short. I mean, I think the, I won't call it the worst case, but certainly a

1238
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:36,940
scenario would be a project coming in and executing the sorts of rights that are exist. As we saw with the 488 for Harrison Street and that was a 100% affordable

1239
01:45:37,860 --> 01:45:41,880
that confers even significantly more density and and additional

1240
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:49,100
height allowances and things like that, which which a plot would not apply to market rate project

1241
01:45:49,620 --> 01:45:53,900
So you could certainly see a very different project come forward with a lot more units and

1242
01:45:53,900 --> 01:45:55,000
not more density on the site.

1243
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:55,720
And no parking.

1244
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:56,580
And no parking.

1245
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:00,920
Okay, so I'm just going to list some things and ask a question at the end.

1246
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:07,360
If we denied this as well, there's an element I've noticed in the presentation that it

1247
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:09,680
actually may not be dense enough, right?

1248
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:12,620
Can you maybe talk to that real fast?

1249
01:46:13,740 --> 01:46:14,560
It's a little complicated.

1250
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:21,080
the downtown specific plan does establish a minimum density of 20 to the acre in looking back

1251
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:27,560
at some of our past practice in terms of how we've applied that density and other projects

1252
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:32,820
through the PUD process. We've generally allowed some, we have historically lads and deviation

1253
01:46:32,820 --> 01:46:42,020
from that and to dip down below the minimum. There's really a controversy about doing less than the

1254
01:46:42,020 --> 01:46:50,240
minimum. But that was really one of our challenges I think with this project was the delta between

1255
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:55,340
what was being proposed and the minimum that's required. And your question actually made me

1256
01:46:55,340 --> 01:46:59,020
realize I misspoke a little bit earlier. Earlier, 10 units is the minimum that could be built on

1257
01:46:59,020 --> 01:47:05,800
this site. The upper end could be higher. Okay. The upper end could be higher. So again, not

1258
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:13,200
and stuff could be much different if it was affordable because then it could receive state

1259
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:22,700
density bonuses and parking waivers. Let me ask you this, right? We developed the objective

1260
01:47:22,700 --> 01:47:29,200
design standards because state law then took away subject-subjective proposals. This isn't

1261
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:34,300
the housing site, but it's a residential site, so we're not in the same element with the

1262
01:47:34,300 --> 01:47:35,200
D before us,

1263
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:39,020
but zoning matters, right?

1264
01:47:39,060 --> 01:47:41,100
In our city, if we don't follow our own zoning,

1265
01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:43,180
so we factor, I'm asking staff,

1266
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,900
we factor in the not dense enough conversation

1267
01:47:45,900 --> 01:47:47,100
question we've just had.

1268
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:49,040
The zoning element of zoning matters,

1269
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:52,840
just as a principle, ace train stop, state laws,

1270
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:54,420
and objective design standards,

1271
01:47:54,620 --> 01:47:56,920
and the staff recommendation, it's an eye at, right?

1272
01:47:57,260 --> 01:47:57,660
Correct.

1273
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,800
And I will say, this applicant was willing

1274
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,960
to go through a planned unit development application process,

1275
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:10,240
which is discretionary by the city, knowing that they would likely deviate from a number of

1276
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:10,820
the standards.

1277
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:16,020
And so that's a tool that exists in our municipal code to allow, I'll say, flexibility

1278
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:22,480
for different and creative and other sort of not quite don't quite fit in the box sort

1279
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:23,040
of project.

1280
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:28,020
That's allowable under the PD process and that's the process of the applicant was willing

1281
01:48:28,020 --> 01:48:33,940
to go through, which is why we were able to entertain some degree of deviation in the

1282
01:48:33,940 --> 01:48:34,960
in different cases.

1283
01:48:35,100 --> 01:48:37,580
It wasn't a matter of, well, you just don't comply.

1284
01:48:37,740 --> 01:48:39,460
So straight straight to denial for you.

1285
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:44,100
There was an avenue by which we could look at requests to perhaps have a little extra

1286
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:48,280
hide or modify the setbacks if the project wanted it.

1287
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:54,740
And as Diego went through a length, there was just an overwhelming number of areas in which

1288
01:48:54,740 --> 01:48:59,620
this project did not conform to policies and to standards that exist within our various

1289
01:48:59,620 --> 01:49:00,400
planning documents.

1290
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:05,260
I think that's my questions at this point.

1291
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:06,400
We'll see if we come back around.

1292
01:49:06,500 --> 01:49:08,320
Any further questions before I go to public comment?

1293
01:49:09,420 --> 01:49:11,180
Seeing none. Okay, hearing none.

1294
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:15,040
Okay, the way this works, I know if we have them here,

1295
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,120
but because of it is an appellant,

1296
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:21,000
appellant has 10 minutes, public comment is three,

1297
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,620
and then the appellant has a rebuttal of five minutes.

1298
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:28,000
With that is the appellant here at this time.

1299
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:32,940
Actually would be the applicant and I'd be not see him in the room.

1300
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:34,840
I thought they were appealing the decision.

1301
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:36,980
No, this is a PUD.

1302
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:38,000
Oh, I see.

1303
01:49:38,060 --> 01:49:39,120
Thank you very much for the clarification.

1304
01:49:40,100 --> 01:49:41,700
So we don't have the applicant.

1305
01:49:42,780 --> 01:49:43,200
Seeing that.

1306
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:44,540
Public comment.

1307
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:46,880
If you would like to speak on item number 10.

1308
01:49:47,060 --> 01:49:48,800
Please approach the podium at this time.

1309
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:50,120
I have no speaker cards.

1310
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:57,110
Welcome.

1311
01:49:57,630 --> 01:49:58,050
Three minutes.

1312
01:49:58,890 --> 01:49:58,930
Please.

1313
01:50:00,530 --> 01:50:00,850
No worries.

1314
01:50:01,030 --> 01:50:01,910
We'll wait for you to get there.

1315
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:02,530
No problem.

1316
01:50:02,530 --> 01:50:04,670
She'll start the clock in just a second.

1317
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:07,530
Hi, my name is Cara.

1318
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:13,090
I'm a local resident and I oppose the project due to inadequate parking, the massing

1319
01:50:13,090 --> 01:50:19,210
being too large and it not complying with the mixed use zoning requirement.

1320
01:50:20,130 --> 01:50:27,290
In previous council meetings, it seemed like the zoning was not going to be able to change.

1321
01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:35,090
And so I am just questioning how many more times do we need to meet to turn down this project.

1322
01:50:35,730 --> 01:50:36,730
That's it, thank you.

1323
01:50:36,810 --> 01:50:37,830
Thank you very much.

1324
01:50:38,190 --> 01:50:40,150
And if we could have you fill out a blue speaker card?

1325
01:50:40,750 --> 01:50:45,450
If anyone else is in the room and would like to speak on item 10 related to the old Bernel

1326
01:50:46,150 --> 01:50:49,190
Avenue Project, please approach the podium at this time.

1327
01:50:50,330 --> 01:50:53,290
Seeing none in the room, I'm closing in the room in any online.

1328
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:55,370
No, no, no, no, no, no.

1329
01:50:55,370 --> 01:50:57,250
Public comment is here by closed.

1330
01:50:57,290 --> 01:50:58,410
I should present that.

1331
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:59,090
Give me a second here.

1332
01:50:59,490 --> 01:51:00,330
Public comments closed.

1333
01:51:00,570 --> 01:51:01,410
Bring it back to Council.

1334
01:51:01,550 --> 01:51:03,570
Council member, number of questions and comments.

1335
01:51:03,710 --> 01:51:09,070
Yeah, I don't recall this project coming to this council to many times.

1336
01:51:10,510 --> 01:51:11,870
Has it come to this council before?

1337
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:13,950
And if we're a yesterday no decision?

1338
01:51:14,410 --> 01:51:15,890
This project has not come before Council.

1339
01:51:16,430 --> 01:51:16,910
No, okay.

1340
01:51:17,130 --> 01:51:18,690
I know, well, yeah.

1341
01:51:19,010 --> 01:51:20,670
There have been discussions at the applicant at it.

1342
01:51:20,670 --> 01:51:25,590
has had with some council members probably some planning commissioners, but yeah, okay.

1343
01:51:25,690 --> 01:51:27,690
Thank you. Just want to make sure my memory serves.

1344
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:31,970
Okay. You started this off. You have the floor. What would you like to do? Council member.

1345
01:51:32,150 --> 01:51:36,990
My gosh. Yeah. I'm very sympathetic to this applicant.

1346
01:51:39,110 --> 01:51:45,630
But there are just so many findings where standards are not being met.

1347
01:51:45,630 --> 01:51:50,810
general plan requirements are not being met down

1348
01:51:50,810 --> 01:51:54,910
10 specific plan goals are not being met.

1349
01:51:55,010 --> 01:51:58,970
I mean, considering that this project or this property

1350
01:51:58,970 --> 01:52:02,910
is so close to the A station and thus qualified to become

1351
01:52:02,910 --> 01:52:04,630
a transit-oriented development,

1352
01:52:06,690 --> 01:52:09,030
which means largely

1353
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:12,770
ministerial approval for the city for all such projects that

1354
01:52:12,770 --> 01:52:14,990
are within half a mile of the A station.

1355
01:52:14,990 --> 01:52:18,430
You know, I'd like not for this property to end up there.

1356
01:52:19,610 --> 01:52:22,290
The owner of this property is,

1357
01:52:22,290 --> 01:52:24,550
you know, the State City grew up in Pleasanton

1358
01:52:25,550 --> 01:52:27,210
and cares about the city.

1359
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:29,970
That's why he saved a quarter...

1360
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:35,100
To him, the Harrison Street property from massive development.

1361
01:52:37,540 --> 01:53:03,280
And, you know, I'd love for him to have the opportunity to address some of these staff findings and recommendations, come back with a better plan that stands a much greater chance of passing, Mr. Earlier, when we talked about the general plan in regard to,

1362
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:12,500
downtown. I said that council members and commissioners should think long and hard about voting

1363
01:53:12,500 --> 01:53:16,620
against staff recommendations that are rooted in the general plan.

1364
01:53:18,780 --> 01:53:19,520
And yeah.

1365
01:53:22,440 --> 01:53:32,600
I have to stick with that. There are so many here. I can't make any findings.

1366
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:37,240
of the seven most time for recommendation.

1367
01:53:37,820 --> 01:53:41,140
Yeah, so I go along with staff recommendation,

1368
01:53:41,860 --> 01:53:44,860
much as I really sympathize with this applicants

1369
01:53:44,860 --> 01:53:47,180
and I hope he comes back with a better project.

1370
01:53:49,940 --> 01:53:50,820
So, yeah.

1371
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:51,780
That's your motion.

1372
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:53,340
I'll make the motion.

1373
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:54,740
Staff recommendations.

1374
01:53:54,820 --> 01:53:55,240
Staff recommendations.

1375
01:53:55,460 --> 01:53:56,140
Thank you very much.

1376
01:53:56,300 --> 01:53:58,240
Councilmember Tussier, second in the shoot on this one.

1377
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:05,280
Um, I grew, um, Councilmember Nybert.

1378
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:17,020
I absolutely would like to come back, to come back, work with staff and come back with something that really honors the downtown location that they want to live in.

1379
01:54:17,020 --> 01:54:23,540
And so I would, and I applaud, I absolutely applaud staff

1380
01:54:23,540 --> 01:54:28,260
for standing up for our downtown specific plan.

1381
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:32,560
And the standards that the community has asked for.

1382
01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:37,660
So I believe that something wonderful can come of it.

1383
01:54:37,660 --> 01:54:42,980
And I would ask staff to continue working with them

1384
01:54:42,980 --> 01:54:47,640
and look forward to seeing a project that is more appropriate

1385
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:48,740
for our downtown.

1386
01:54:49,820 --> 01:54:52,120
So I will second that motion.

1387
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,100
Okay, Councilmember Eicher.

1388
01:54:54,980 --> 01:54:55,640
Comments?

1389
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:56,780
We have a motion in second.

1390
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:01,900
Yes, I concur with the Councilmember Nibbert

1391
01:55:01,900 --> 01:55:03,960
and Councilmember Tested.

1392
01:55:05,500 --> 01:55:06,860
Yes, Councilmember Tested

1393
01:55:06,860 --> 01:55:11,000
are our last Council meeting standards matter.

1394
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:21,760
And in this case there's seven objective areas that we have a considerable number of issues that aren't being met to meet our standards.

1395
01:55:22,540 --> 01:55:36,900
And I think we, you know, this were one of two minor issues that would probably be a no-brainer and fly, but I think there's too much, at least for me to feel comfortable advancing this project.

1396
01:55:36,900 --> 01:55:44,320
So I do hope the applicant comes back with something that better suits the downtown area and better suits

1397
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:49,660
that can meet his family living arrangements at that location.

1398
01:55:51,980 --> 01:55:55,380
So that's where I stand and I'll support the motion.

1399
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:56,540
Okay, vice mayor.

1400
01:55:57,040 --> 01:56:02,140
So I want to say and I wish the applicant was here tonight to hear this.

1401
01:56:04,220 --> 01:56:13,780
There are, in my analysis, there are objective reasons, we can say now, and there are subjective reasons, we can say, you know, no or yes.

1402
01:56:14,380 --> 01:56:27,720
I think we owe the applicant a little more in terms of feedback on why we are headed the direction to deny their application.

1403
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:35,340
there are obviously very specific things about setbacks and no plan on where trash cans are going

1404
01:56:35,340 --> 01:56:47,000
to be and water issues. However, I want to say that some of the standards that are in

1405
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:52,000
the downtown specific plan that staff is saying this doesn't comport with are very subjective.

1406
01:56:53,640 --> 01:57:07,420
And it leaves people, I think, a little hesitant to propose something that they've put significant resources in the trying to build generational family housing.

1407
01:57:08,020 --> 01:57:12,320
And this is literally in our view across the street of where we are right now.

1408
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:18,060
And, you know, my first thought when I looked at it is, you know, that's a beautiful,

1409
01:57:18,060 --> 01:57:24,660
Leave design piece of property that I wish I could build for my family and have my children and my grandparent's live in

1410
01:57:24,660 --> 01:57:31,880
You know, I think it needs to be a little more respectful of the height to the neighbors and consistency with surrounding, but

1411
01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:34,580
You know any new house isn't going to look like

1412
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:39,060
Things in our downtown that are hunted in something years old

1413
01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:48,040
You know if our standard is you have to be you know

1414
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:54,540
turned down and rebuilt. I mean, at some point we have to be a little fair to people wanting

1415
01:57:54,540 --> 01:57:59,040
to put something new. And I think they did a good job of conceptually putting something

1416
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:03,240
out there. If there is just, I think, small tweaks to this. I think the biggest one is

1417
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:09,920
the second and third story, you know, and it's how it fits with the houses around it.

1418
01:58:09,940 --> 01:58:15,180
But I don't want to signal that I'm unwilling, at least as a council member, to be a little

1419
01:58:15,180 --> 01:58:22,740
creative and working someone to put a residential development downtown, especially in

1420
01:58:22,740 --> 01:58:30,360
a line of the fact that, frankly, this council member, Nibbert said, we sort of, oh the guy

1421
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:30,800
won.

1422
01:58:31,420 --> 01:58:37,420
More or less, for buying a piece of property that could have had 80 units on it and apparently

1423
01:58:37,420 --> 01:58:44,240
saving an 80 unit, no parking development right near the ace train, which for the record,

1424
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:50,460
We should have me considered within a half-mile challenge because no one uses that anymore parking lots empty unless you work in Silicon Valley

1425
01:58:50,460 --> 01:58:56,480
If you do you'd probably tell a commute that parking lots now empty every morning. So we're

1426
01:58:57,780 --> 01:59:02,260
We're putting square pegs and round holes here sometimes and stopping people from putting

1427
01:59:02,260 --> 01:59:07,260
round holes and square pegs were maybe they could fit. So I think we need to be a little more

1428
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:14,220
Friendly to things when we're imposing subjective standards on someone who's trying to do the right

1429
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:19,140
by the city. So I hope the applicant listens to this. I hope they can work with staff and come

1430
01:59:19,140 --> 01:59:26,360
back with a PUD that maybe is more consistent with the neighbors as far as setbacks and

1431
01:59:26,360 --> 01:59:32,240
forward thinking plan, but I do not want this vote to indicate that we're going to be rigid

1432
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:41,940
and we're going to not be practical and just open-minded about what we're doing downtown.

1433
01:59:41,940 --> 01:59:51,840
I mean I think any one of us would would want to put something like this and you know whether it needs to be a more Spanish-looking house or whatever it is we can get feedback

1434
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:59,840
But I hope they do a session with the planning commission. I hope they do a proposal and can get some feedback and we can work with them and make something work

1435
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:05,680
This is the kind of housing people are going to want to build to be able to afford to stay in our community with our family.

1436
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:19,220
And I think we need to be careful about signaling opposition to it based on subjective standards of a, of a, of a, of a, of a specific client. So those are my comments.

1437
02:00:19,940 --> 02:00:28,000
Okay. Thank you very much. I'll round out. And a lot of feedback obviously being given here. The site and all sites within the half mile of the ace train station

1438
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:30,600
and definitely are going to be challenging,

1439
02:00:31,240 --> 02:00:33,800
which is why many of us in the past have said,

1440
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:36,440
one size does not fit all for state housing law.

1441
02:00:36,820 --> 02:00:39,240
But that being said, for the particular project

1442
02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:42,460
in front of us, I really do support reinvestment

1443
02:00:42,460 --> 02:00:43,200
in the downtown.

1444
02:00:43,780 --> 02:00:47,840
I think that this presents elements I actually do like

1445
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:49,900
the farmhouse style, the gable roofs.

1446
02:00:50,180 --> 02:00:52,400
There's a lot of design elements here as well.

1447
02:00:52,500 --> 02:00:54,520
So I'm kind of leaning into what the vice mayor

1448
02:00:54,520 --> 02:01:01,160
that related to that, however my decision isn't based on the personal architectural preferences

1449
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:07,220
I have, it's based on our general plan or downtown specific plan and our objective design

1450
02:01:07,220 --> 02:01:10,640
standards, which I can't make the findings based upon it.

1451
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:16,780
Some specific things that concern me for the applicant is on page 4 of 9 of the staff report.

1452
02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:23,280
The application is not demonstrated conformance with city standards for clean water, sanitary

1453
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:28,900
sewer connections, utility enclosures, and potential ponding on the city street.

1454
02:01:29,900 --> 02:01:32,900
So until those are resolved, I can't pass go here.

1455
02:01:33,660 --> 02:01:39,180
So I do hope that we get a redesign proposal that can address those challenges and then

1456
02:01:39,180 --> 02:01:40,520
work with us to go forward.

1457
02:01:42,420 --> 02:01:47,620
I realize that we may have a challenge ahead of us, if a affordable housing site comes

1458
02:01:47,620 --> 02:01:52,700
forward with no parking and some other challenges mentioned, but at least for this project

1459
02:01:52,700 --> 02:01:55,380
in front of us here, that's where I stand as well,

1460
02:01:55,540 --> 02:01:56,840
so I'll be able to support the motion.

1461
02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:00,360
Okay, we have a motion made and seconded.

1462
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:01,720
Roll call vote, please.

1463
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:03,160
Council number is Nibbert.

1464
02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:04,620
Hi.

1465
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:05,400
Testa.

1466
02:02:07,100 --> 02:02:07,360
Hi.

1467
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:08,120
Gators.

1468
02:02:08,620 --> 02:02:08,640
Hi.

1469
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:08,860
Hi.

1470
02:02:09,220 --> 02:02:10,120
We are Baloch.

1471
02:02:10,140 --> 02:02:11,720
The motion passes unanimously.

1472
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:13,040
Thank you very much.

1473
02:02:13,420 --> 02:02:16,320
That concludes item number 10.

1474
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:18,500
We're moving right along.

1475
02:02:18,500 --> 02:02:23,440
let me find my schedule and we have nothing listed.

1476
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,220
So no city manager update, no special meeting.

1477
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:31,180
OK, with that, thank you very much, community,

1478
02:02:31,420 --> 02:02:32,980
for showing up our national night out.

1479
02:02:32,980 --> 02:02:34,980
Again, to support our first responders,

1480
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:37,880
by after our little fire, they appreciated getting

1481
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:41,880
to be able to see all of you and to show your appreciation

1482
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:44,980
for the amazing work our first responders do

1483
02:02:44,980 --> 02:02:47,080
with that vice-american you take us out.

1484
02:02:47,220 --> 02:02:47,500
Yes.

1485
02:02:47,500 --> 02:02:51,760
The President's City Council adjourns this special meeting with a tribute to our nation's

1486
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:55,600
men and women serving the military, with gratitude for every United States veteran who

1487
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:57,680
is bravely answered the call to serve.

1488
02:02:58,140 --> 02:03:01,640
Further we wish to honor the memories of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice and

1489
02:03:01,640 --> 02:03:04,100
conflicts both past and present in defense of our country.

1490
02:03:04,460 --> 02:03:05,080
Thank you very much.

1491
02:03:05,140 --> 02:03:06,780
This special meeting is hereby adjourned.