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yes okay ready to roll right I'm sorry
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agenda on public comment is there anyone
on Zoom uh or in the room that has any

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public comment on anything we're going
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regarding anything with the

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charter seeing none we'll move right
into the discussion

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items
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two bullet points that we' like to speak
on tonight uh the first one is a review

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of the bylaws and Charter
quantification uh since our last meeting

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and I believe it was one day last week
was it last

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Thursday 21st 21st of August we we got a
call from uh the Town Clerk and the Town

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Council to uh
meet uh briefly to go over some uh

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questions they had on our
document unannounced to me and maybe

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others knew this I didn't know this but
they had sent um a document out to a I

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guess they Callin Steve knows better
coding type company where they

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uh
compare uh the document that we put

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forth and the documents that we have on
file here in town with what the state

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has and make sure there's no
discrepancies and in the um exercise of

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uh running through the chatter there
were um just a couple of questions but

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there were enough that they wanted to
bring us in there were more questions as

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it pertained to bylaws but that was
outside of our

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scope uh so we met we met probably for
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um most of the
um discrepancies were

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typographical maybe a word change a sh
versus a May something along those

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lines um I think Steve corrected that um
I don't know how we want deep we want to

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go on that but you know I think in all
fness tell the whole committee oh you

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have we have them so the the committee
has them yeah but I think what prompted

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us to go there I think the whole
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least P to me that that meeting that for
whatever reason unfortunately for the

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most part of our work and maybe for last
couple of years a document that was on

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the town website as aada was not
actually the one that was presently on

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record at the state is that correct well
not yeah it we don't know and Kelly may

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say that when she comes here she doesn't
know where they got the charter they

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used to do the
comparison because the charter that's

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the original the charter if if we took
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beginning of this process it is without
looking at it in every fine detail it is

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a match to what's on the articles of uh
articles of um 2020 when the last

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Charter was approved by the
legislature so it is pretty much in in a

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match the things that we're dealing with
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um is the fact that there is a
definition and a use difference there is

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uh we need to recap we miss something to
be capitalized in a certain paragraph

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and then there was the U fact that again
a definition correct me if I'm wrong to

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there was multi versus multiple so
that's the last item that we we have to

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do and then the very last one which I
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think it's a typographical is there's a
definition of bylaws how it's spelled

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and we use it in two different ways
within the charter by hyphen law laws or

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bylaw with no hyphen and the definition
if I'm correct Steve is by with no

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hyphen right that was how we had right
so we need to fix that and to me that's

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a grammatical issue uh the issue of the
mismatch between what they were using

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the Cod to do the codification review on
is a separate issue in my opinion away

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from what we're doing that Kelly needs
to understand where they got their

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version of the charter to do that
because I was given a change document by

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them through Kelly and I looked at it
not in every little you know in

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int but it looks like what is on the
website matches the state

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is it related how is it related to what
we've got here as our current you're

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talking about our current Charter it's
all this codification thing Marthur

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remember when Kelly came in the
beginning she talked about there was

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this effort to have this company look at
the bylaws look at the charter and then

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create this searchable document so my
question is um when you're talking about

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a charter you're talking about the
current Charter this one right and the

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question am I right is is is this the
same as what's on our town

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website yes yes we started from what was
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using a current Charter that we don't
know where it's from no no the state and

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our our Charter that's on our website
from my from my review appears to be in

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a match there was this Charter that was
used by this company and it's not clear

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where they got it from because they came
back with all these like for example

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they said
it says town of Plymouth comma Mass on

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their version it didn't have
Massachusetts on our version it did and

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on the version that's on the website
that's just an example it did so that's

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for Kelly to deal with to figure out
what they use for the

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comparison Michelle just said that Kelly
may drop in very early in the meeting

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and she might be able to add some light
I was just worried that um there was

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more to it as it turns out there really
wasn't any thing but as a Committee

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Member you should know that that

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you've been talking

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about just now arrived thank you for
joining us we're actually talking about

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the coding
issue so so I have great news for you

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guys well you want to add your question
first before she has great news you want

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to
wait well it's not a question it's a

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comment based on what you just said
about spelling errors or whatever

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scriveners errors whatever they're
called and this issue with did they have

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the right shter did they have the wrong
shter you did you had the right shter

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well that's good okay okay I can't
imagine you spend an hour talking about

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all that well we talked there was a lot
of other things oh there's other things

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well I don't know if there was other
things you don't think think that

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deserve to be spoken about and make sure
we ironed it out you don't think that we

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should have spoken about that and got it
ironed out make sure we had the right

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one no just no kneejerk reaction that we
spoke about it because we now know that

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we have the right document at that point
that's important at that point we did

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not know that the documents matched and
so our discussion included questions

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about what would happen or what we would
need to do in the event that they did

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not
match so we were planning for a further

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meeting in and details in the event that
was necessary it has turned out

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fortunately that it is not
necessary yeah I'm still trying to find

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out how the vendor had the incorrect
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looked at over the last since I've
emailed you shows that they I don't know

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where they got it because I wouldn't
have emailed them the version that they

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suppose that they had
and yeah so pric is somewhat averted but

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we it was good to me um part of the
other reason why we met um during that

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time too is there were 10 comments that
the vendor had one was the fact that

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there's only a certain way you can um
make amendments to the chter which we

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were aware of two that there might be
some slight warding changes which we

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figured out what that was um another one
was the chart the definitions for

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precincts um originally it just said
precincts the definition is the area

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Town divided by groups and I'm not sure
I'm paraphrasing here cuz I'm not sure

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the exact language and they recommended
that we had for voting purposes and you

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guys had already done that so that was
perfect um they made some

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recommendations there's two parts of the
charter that says you need either 100

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signatures to get uh um an article
placed on the warrant if it's a special

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town meeting and 10 if it's an annual
town meeting like if a citizen's

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petition like you need 10 or 100
depending on what the meeting is and

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they wanted to add more language that
refer to the to the law the Mass General

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law that says or 20% whichever is lower
and we're thinking

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220% of the voters here in Plymouth will
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be 200 100 or 10 so we decided to leave
that language out so this was the type

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of work that this vendor is doing for us
um there was precincts there was um oh

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one thing about select board
um sometimes it said Selectmen in the in

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the charter and they recommended that
you make it more gender neutral for

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select board which you guys had already
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and that's what I also reviewed with
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make sure that everybody was on the same
page there was something about

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multi-member body versus multi-member
boarding committee thing and um we I

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think you guys made that change based on
grammar

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um and then the LA I think the last
thing was something about established

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policies and it should be
established uh process not established

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process so those were the 10 things that
they came up the vendor also look just

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as a side note the vendor also looked at
the bylaws and we have 170 of those that

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we need to review there I've got a group
of people reviewing those with me to

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make the decision so the really good
news is except for those one or two

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things that I mentioned um that they
questioned or or had a recommendation on

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changing you guys based on everything
that Michelle and I were able to do

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today you guys did work with the
original documents so your Redline

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document as soon as you have it up to
date I highly recommend that you get it

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on the website because people have been
asking for

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it sounds good I just have one quick
follow question from on meeting you had

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um emailed the coding company for
anything additional you sent the email

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out to us copy I got didn't have any
additional red lines is that because

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everything else passed with flying
colors but is there anything the

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document that I sent out was Redline
that showed what the difference is

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between what they what the chart
whatever version Charter they were

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looking at and the one that was on the
State website so it wasn't really a red

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line it was just showing differences the
differences it's not an edit it's just a

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comparison although maybe I misread it
it said the following document or the

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attached document yeah
any any any other problems of red line

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and I didn't see any red lines right so
I assumed it you know it's funny that

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you say that Alan because mine came out
as red line but Michelle's came out blue

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and red like hers came out blue so like
I had to literally go and look at

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Michelle's computer to make sure that we
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the same as mine was just black you know
traditional writing writing there was no

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really no red L but you got it right Len
well let's see because I got it right

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here
I was happy but I don't want to really

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mess around hopefully it
passed let me do something here before I

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get into let me share

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my um Just sh the whole D

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screen so this is the document that you
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so anything that was in blue is what the
differences were yeah I did perceive

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this as a as a red line this was just
showing you the differences in the

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comparison so with it's all I'm I'm the
same as Alan's I saw neither comments

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nor the comparison okay that's really
weird so it might have been the way you

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opened up the document if you want if
you didn't look it up under review well

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you have to look at it depends on what
platform you on on the Mac you have to

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go in and underview return on tracking
and that'll show what's here on the

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right hand side but when I looked at
this and I looked at the state and I

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looked at the the version off of the
website it became clear for me without

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talking to Kelly that the document they
used came from somewhere yeah I have no

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idea where from you know no idea but the
good the good news bad news is that was

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just the chart portion the bylaws is
what they were using so um and that and

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that was the one that was most important
for at least in my for this project for

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me was the bylaws because we have some
conflicts with the bylaws and I'm just

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trying to get them codified so they look
very neat in

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particular okay are we good Kelly Kelly
it's Michelle we also had the one

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comment on the school committee to
change from um to the State Board of

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Elementary and secondary education I'm
going to show those uh Michelle I'm

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going to show the right now okay the
chter right now says State Board of

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Education and currently Massachusetts
doesn't have a state board of education

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we have a state board of Elementary and
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education so it's just again mostly
grammar which is why as a practice we

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took out all references to state laws
because state laws bodies change

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regularly and we don't want our Charter
to be out of date every time the state

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decides it one wants to move something
from one section to

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another okay any sounds good so I think
we're good with that issue thank you for

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your cooperation I I did a little bit of
a panic at first too but it was good to

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bring people in and talk and understand
exactly what was happening so that was

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great and Michelle thanks for your help
today welcome all right thank you very

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much you're welcome some more

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ballots all right well that um is there
any further questions or did the town

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clerk clear everything up for anyone
that's just hearing about that M go

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right ahead can I just introduce Kate
Brown who is sitting behind me and she

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is filling in for lle Lawrence who is
usually here observing the on the Char

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oh very very nice to meet you nice to
meet you I've attended one of your

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meetings previous to this time so and
I'm sorry Pate that I didn't let you

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know about the changeing room oh that's
all right you weren't waiting room

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paying attention to the select board
meeting it's like really yes well

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attended so the the follow up on what
Kelly just said if you look here if you

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can see it I can try to make it a little
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larger a lot logger please Lyn

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okay so you see what says State Board of
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you know that changes like the wind it's
now the State Board of what elementary

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and Elementary uh not even it's the
department of Elementary and secondary

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secondary it's not yeah so on Steve
suggestion when Steve's suggestion is we

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got rid of that and put a a kind of a
general term called Commonwealth so that

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way if tomorrow they change it then we
don't have to change it and then the

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next day if they change it we don't have
to change it so that's what we did there

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so our you looking at
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okay I'm going to go down if you look at
the stuff that we got from the in our

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packet there's a list of those changes
on this little change form I did it that

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way to make it easier to uh to find

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it so are we using that phrase oh right
down here and in B uh yes in oh actually

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in yes in B that's correct Mar so you
should actually have a strikeout Len you

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have the red but you don't have the
strikeout all right I'll fix that I

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won't do it here but I'll do

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it so that's the only place well no
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um Comm wealth remains right the we
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Board of Education or Department it do
exist Elementary and no because the

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problem is if you do it if you did the
new one and then tomorrow they change it

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and then the the charter is out of out
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called so this way it allows the come to
do whatever the heck they want and we

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just will support whatever the commw
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solves that
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you get too specific and just it's a
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so the next one is on page

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14 are you guys going to take votes on
each or wrap one vote on at the end I

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think we'll do one at the end I I think
we can do all at one time the uh the

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page of uh requested uh correction we'll
do it we'll do as a as a whole is that

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all right with the
committee I think that's fine thank

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thank you
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you I don't know what this thing is
possessed so you've already made this

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correction um so here in 241 it should
be in blue I made it blue I don't know

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why it's not in blue but that's another
story but this right here if we go look

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at what was here town meeting was not
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on page 14
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36 if we went back to the definitions
and I'm not going to drag this all the

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way back there you see that the
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multi hang

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on this is the easiest way to do

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622 I'm blind when I can't

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do I went too
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bad
sorry it it's a page break different

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that that thing we put on the front of
it is just been causing us habit with

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pay but we'll fix it so you see there
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board commissioning committee was taken
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multiple member
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did that if you look at my try to make
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and this is an existing definition in
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we Define multiple member body as any
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Etc consisting of multiple persons I
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guess I'm not gonna follow up on that
little detail but here it came up here

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it came up so we decided Well we might
as well be consistent with our own

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definitions
well ahead Mr H multiple member on page

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four is

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they're not supposed to do
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it's not well we can fix that let's not
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think it needs a hyphen I wouldn't do so
then we would take hyphen out of the

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definitions yeah well that
one and here it's twice in that same

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definition right I I agree with taking
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know defin

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AG H4 thank you Larry and
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huh Larry and Rob are NE here so what we
did here just to finish up that

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conversation on 622 we had put in some
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language and I didn't strike it and add
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what we had decided which is multiple
member body without a

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hyphen

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okay and then the last thing we were
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and syia was under
definitions there's the term

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bylaw which is back on page four by uh
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a and if you search if I could do it now
for if you wanted me to but you have to

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believe me that you'll see that it's
spelled in two different ways bylaw with

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a hyphen and bylaw without a
hyphen so the question is what do we

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want it to be and I will we'll fix it so
that consistent throughout the

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document well since we took it out of H
is there any reason we need it in the

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word bylaw no okay I have no person I
recommend we take it out we merely kept

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it that way because it's it's hyphenated
in our current

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Charter that's
so where in the current Charter

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consistent nothing in our current TR is
completely consistent oh but we we but

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we and we weren't consistent either we
weren no well because a lot of the times

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we left language that was in the
existing Charter and it didn't do it

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either but yeah well I don't know so
it's bylaw with no space or bylaws with

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no space because I think I saw somewhere
it said by hyphen laws so either case

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it's got to be no space no hyphen uh no
capitalization right I would do that so

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that's that is
the the the the things that came out of

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that meeting the reason we're here
tonight is to basically um approve those

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changes and U because we in
Wikipedia and what oxgen dictionary

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Ty Mike you can't be
Larry can't be what you can't be Larry

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well I'm not listening to Wikipedia I am
more concerned about what the OED or uh

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or Miriam ERS does say so if you're
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hyphenates
it they hyphenated I'm fine with taking

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hph out I just was curious sorry didn't
want to confus what does it say it's

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hyphenated in the two examples U both
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a noun they when they use it in a
sentence it's hyphenated all the time

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and when you look up just byow with that
a hyphen what do you get it's got a DOT

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which I think that's just syllables
doesn't have I can't see that yeah no he

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no I understand it's not but uh it's a
DOT and I don't want to I don't want to

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confuse the argument but say it a dot
but when they use it in the sentence

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it's used um hyphen yeah but that's same
well yeah I'll take back my motion I

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don't mind sticking with the The Hyphen
we can leave The Hyphen I think for

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bylaw given that
it it's both in our existing starter and

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there is grammatical support to leave it
that way right whereas multiple member

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body that's not a common phrase that
would require that that it has a

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standardization of a hen
anyway so we're going to say that we're

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going to have it say by hyen law or by
hyphen laws on all occurrences yes okay

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so with that I make a motion that the
committee accepts the changes as just

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discussed to import with the comments
made by the code

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committee referred that the town
referred the charter

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to not the seconds it any further
discussion I don't take a vote at this

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time you want to read the roll call
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Allen yes Michael
y myself yes and Marthur yes okay so one

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two three four five I was laughing
because on page 4 under D it says unless

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otherwise provided by law and I started
to put a hyphen

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in hey guys just to let you know roll
call is not needed everyone is is live

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no one no members are
online good point thank you Michelle

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forgot about that all right so that
takes care of the first um line item on

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the agenda we're set with the code um
enforcement and now we're going to go

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and talk
about um the actual articles that we

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um the language of of the prop time
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presentation I I do have a concern um
before we talk about the Articles

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because um I thought that we had to vote
on be before our com committee has to

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vote
on I thought it was our proposed

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Charter before
we submit articles for the

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warrant well that's not that's not I
that cross my mind as well that's not

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entirely the case we can submit we voted
on everything that every substantive

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thing that we have on the document I
turned in we voted on so the doc when

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you're saying document are you talking
about um the one that was the most

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recent which
was uh 24 M I think mine was

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dated um it would have would had a week
BS date on it but up until as long as

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the and it was explained to us by the
assistant Town manager as long as

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everything's still in a draft motion
which it is until I believe tomorrow

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until
fincom okay that um if if um if there's

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any question um we can change things and
or vote on it if there's any question

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now you have a concern on it so we can
do that this evening we can vote on the

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language of the uh articles but we
they're in compliance with the town

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right now as it say instead Mr Bolton
right ahead just to add I I

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Know M question about voting on the
charter is is that what people are

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saying that we didn't vote on and we
should vote on no they're saying because

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Town policy is no it's the Articles
what's that part no it's the Articles

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it's not and so we're talking about
these correct because we actually aren't

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presenting a charter to town meeting
what we are doing is we are presenting

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our recommended changes to the Charter
so we don't actually present them with a

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charter like saying here's the charter
we're proposing vote Yes or No we're

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proposing individualized changes which
again is why it makes sense to which is

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why when they're presented to town
meeting it's not presented as just one

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thing here's the charter agree or
disagree it's here are changes that

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we've made so for example the language
that's showed up in the current draft

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warrant this that as you are looking at
was not something that we did at all

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that was something that the assistant
Town manager did so the processes that

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has been explain to us is that we make
recommendations to the assistant Town

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manager these by recommendations you
mean this we recommend the language for

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the Articles correct this though yes
we're not talking about no no we're not

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talking about the document anymore we're
now talking about the Articles we make

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recommendations for the language of the
Articles to the assistant Town manager

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the assistant Town manager drafts what
the assistant man Town manager believes

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to be appropriate and those are finally
determined by the advisory and finance

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committee so that was what we were
supposed to vote on there's no

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requirement that we there's no
requirement that we vote on anything

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what the requirement of the select board
is is that all articles the substance of

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the Articles be approved by the
committee not necessarily the language

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that goes forward in terms of describing
it but the substance of the Articles

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which in this case is the substance of
the proposed changes all of which this

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committee has voted we voted on every
line in that

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document so that is the
vote that those votes are

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considered to be the votes of the
committee on the in that I'm looking for

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I've got a note here someplace that says
what the um select regulation is I

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thought I had it
anyway sb10 or for

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I I guess I didn't bring it with me so

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um but that said so so our our votes are
separate all the votes that we took

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those are our votes those are our votes
the committee has voted yes now that

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said there's nothing wrong with saying
we are with if people are uncomfortable

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as one member who is not present here
tonight has said he wanted us as a

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committee to vote on the recommended
language that we are putting forth and

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again we can vote on the recommended
language and I have no objection to that

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the recomend different of the Articles
oh correct that said however we can

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recommend whatever we want and both the
assistant Town manager and the advisory

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and finance committee can change it
change it the way they like it so so we

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will be voting on our recommendations
but we're not voting on article language

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because we don't make that final
determination okay thank you Mr Dan so

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um maybe you can clarify something or
I'm confused because the warrant is the

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selectman's
warrant not the finance committee's

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warrant so wouldn't it be up to the
selectman to approve this language

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before it goes to the to this um finance
committee or the town meeting or

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anything because the advisory and
finance committee

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presents the Articles to town meeting
again we're now talking about the

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difference between the
article and the language describing the

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article so in this instance the article
the substance of of the article is is

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the recommended changes by this
committee to town meeting the select

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board will agree or disagree in terms of
presenting the whether those articles go

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forward to town meeting again assuming
of course that it's not a Citizens

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petition where they no longer have that
right under our Charter but in terms of

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the language describing that article to
town meeting all of the articles are

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presented to town meeting via the
advisory and finance committee so they

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actually have the final say in terms of
how they describe the

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article to down meeting town meeting
right so again their motion right it is

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their motion so they're the people get
up before town

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meeting they say to the chair hereby
moves that town meeting do this this

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this this and this that is their
description now they may accept or not

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accept our recommendation in terms of
description but it is their

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determination all right but that said
because Mr Hutchinson had concerns about

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that he said fine let's if we wish to
vote on the draft language our proposed

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language we can certainly do that well
that being said as an exercise do you m

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would you be comfortable if we went
through this

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uh first article and and and voted the
five of us vot you mean Article 19

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Charter this will be 19 right well again
I don't know how much made it on the N

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none of it so Marthur this is their
draft this is again this was simply and

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I'm I'm G to call this essentially
almost a

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placeholder I think this my husband got
from me member this is the yeah exactly

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and but it's still a draft the final
article has not come out they sent out a

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draft War warrant but that's what it is
it is still a draft warrant but M's

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right everybody's probably already seen
this but we have assigned to us Article

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19 through 29 is that correct that is
correct all right so we can from now on

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call them that or we can go one through
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our I mean I'm not I I again I just
simply prepared it because when we

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drafted it it was I didn't know it or
not we didn't have our numbers ex right

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have no fault of yours I think it's I
just didn't want to confuse anyone do we

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want to change probably right these
numbers numbers yeah these numbers

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actually are not correct I I think to
simplify this I don't think we should be

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focusing on what was delivered I think
this was the document

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that uh this document is in our package
is this is this your words is this those

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are my well that's something else I so
that's that's what is coming out of the

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committee what happens to it after
coming out of the committee is really of

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our
control right well I'm just talking

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about this I understand that that's what
I'm saying is we should not be trying to

424
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:12,359
vote on that because we didn't create
that somebody else created that we

425
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,640
should vote and and I'm not recommending
that either answer okay I whether

426
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,599
tribute were comfortable or not
comfortable can I see that Mar i' I've

427
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:24,040
been comfortable with the explanation
both from the to assistant Town manager

428
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:28,319
but for just Clarity sake I think this
is what came out of our committee right

429
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:32,560
this is what we should say as a
committee we approve this to be

430
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:36,640
forwarded to the appropriate person to
do the whatever they're going to do with

431
00:37:34,359 --> 00:37:41,760
it because we have no control of that
that's not our document we didn't create

432
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:46,160
that if it's exactly what we this
document that came out of committee then

433
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,800
that so be it but we don't have any
control over that the numbering of it

434
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:54,800
the verbiage of it if they change one
little thing that's their prerogative we

435
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,839
don't have so now do we want to talk
about this then correct yes all right

436
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:04,440
I'm I'm this is the thing that basically
was in our packet it was yes it's in our

437
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,560
packet tonight yes you sure put it in
our packet this evening right it looks

438
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:14,400
like
this okay I think that's what we should

439
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:18,160
fold make it's the same one you have
probably it is

440
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,680
good all right so do we want to
concentrate and run through these make

441
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:28,880
sure everybody's happy with um oh uh
first of all I I don't

442
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:34,240
remember and so refreshed my mind for
that's why I was wondering if we would

443
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:41,119
have the minutes did did we as a
committee ask a group of people or Steve

444
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:46,480
to write this or how did this come to be
we needed to submit something so yeah

445
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:51,839
know I I asked um so so our committee
never said oh we want to have something

446
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:57,880
like this that's what I don't
remember we were down to the wire that

447
00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:03,319
we had to submit the articles I believe
Al and Steve came to the decision and

448
00:39:00,319 --> 00:39:08,000
Steve took it took on the responsibility
to write the language of the Articles so

449
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:13,800
was this before you met we've had it
this was this was always intended to be

450
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:18,240
a draft to be presented but yes it was
always intended to be discussed with the

451
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:23,359
committee yeah yeah there's no problem
so it is a draft but prior to the

452
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:28,079
closing of August 9th and I did what you
did you I pulled up the selectman

453
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:32,200
procedures it called for brief
description uh a couple days before I I

454
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:37,720
read that now we weren't having a
meeting but discussing it with Steve

455
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:43,200
Steve volunteered to to put um an an an
explanation of each of the 11 articles

456
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:47,960
which is what appears here I don't think
the assistant Town manager has added

457
00:39:45,319 --> 00:39:52,160
this attracted to this to know did he no
the assistant Town manager at this point

458
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:57,560
has just put on so he's moved at that
okay he's just put this sort of very

459
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:03,520
generic statement okay for each of these
just to say will you accept these the

460
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:07,359
changes in this this and that's and
treating it like a placeholder with the

461
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,800
expectation that we would Brian but he
explained to me and maybe Steve and Len

462
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,680
were in the room as well
but as long as everything's still a

463
00:40:12,839 --> 00:40:17,000
draft which it is if we want to we can
go back and look at things so it was for

464
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:24,040
the
meeting when the Articles who was at the

465
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:28,880
meet or you why why why did you have a
meeting or was there was not a meeting

466
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:33,079
when wait minut we're confusing sorry
I'm going to stop here we're confusing

467
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:37,240
things the meeting we had with Sylvio
and uh Kate and and had nothing to do

468
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,560
with the Artic that was the code that
was the code right had nothing to do

469
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:45,480
with the Articles it just was a a side
conversation but he he had expressed

470
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:51,280
during that time that we can still
submit further requested langu Sylvio

471
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:57,319
yes submitting of the Articles was
simply I went in on a Friday prior to

472
00:40:53,720 --> 00:41:03,079
the deadline brought him a hard copy of
all the work we did in the chter this uh

473
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:07,520
summary and breakdown of the individual
articles that was for

474
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:13,760
Sylvio
submitted actually got this correct so

475
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:18,839
he read this whether he read it or not
we don't know no I'm sure he did he

476
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:23,200
certainly he certainly did not put it
into anything formal at this point and

477
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:26,920
and to the committee and
Steve credit he did send me an email

478
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,440
saying everything that we submitted to
him

479
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:34,839
saved him a ton of work because it was
in it was in great order he had no

480
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:38,520
problem with our with our uh submitt
okay so now so now our committee is

481
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:42,960
going to look at it right yes we can
look at it now and if Steve knows I

482
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:46,599
already made some suggestions that's we
can talk about and that's is it a time

483
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:52,079
to do it because we have
time um but why don't we talk about your

484
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:55,160
suggestion okay um well let's go or
however you want let's go one at a time

485
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:59,040
just to make sure go through we get them
out of the way the the article what was

486
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:04,400
marked as article one which would now
become Article 19 that's correct so do

487
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:09,839
we need to change that he will change
that but we'll change that in the

488
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:14,319
language but yes so my other question is
before we go one by one who's going to

489
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:19,400
be reading this what is this for what's
Sy going to do with it this will be the

490
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:23,280
final language of the submission to town
meeting and this will be it'll go in the

491
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:27,440
packet well again this is our
recommendation to Sylvio Sylvio will

492
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:33,839
then take our recommendation and do with
it again as he believes appropriate put

493
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:38,240
it forth so that that goes to advisory
and finance committee which will then

494
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:44,920
make its final right and which will then
make its final statement as to how this

495
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:50,599
yes well that yes and it will make its
final statement as to how it wishes to

496
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:54,520
describe the proposed changes to town
meeting okay and I think correct me if

497
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:59,960
I'm wrong this would be on the colored
piece of paper in the book prior to

498
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:03,680
every article where it says you know uh
this this finance committee is putting

499
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:08,200
this motion forward this might be a
description of it may see it there

500
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:12,079
depending if this language survives or
maybe finc Alters it but you probably

501
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:17,440
see the best part of the body of this
work show up in the book okay okay thank

502
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:21,400
you I broken up individually you won't
see it in this three four page backage

503
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:26,000
you'll see it broken up 11 times my
guess would be but let's go through and

504
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:29,119
make sure if there's any changes we get
to control them so if you have changes

505
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:31,880
go right ahead are there any changes in
the new Article

506
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:42,000
19 um that's the one on
reordering yeah and that's the one um

507
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:50,240
that I so the audience are town meeting
members correct okay and um and I I

508
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:59,559
think we have to be clearer than this
about the fact that for instance I added

509
00:43:54,680 --> 00:44:07,280
as this as a fourth point here something
like this article 19 includes changing

510
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:12,160
the order of legislative and executive
branches and replaces executive branch

511
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:17,559
wording with
townwide elected board and office

512
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:26,040
holders I think it is
now and takes moderator out of the

513
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:31,400
legislature the um legislative
branch but isn't that isn't that in an

514
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:36,680
article for that particular chapter it
is and also my concern is that's just

515
00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:43,319
that suggests that we're those are the
only changes we've made dozens of other

516
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:48,200
changes we've moved Town manager out of
some but that's not in there should be

517
00:44:45,319 --> 00:44:52,839
part of well and we've eliminated the
references to departments and that's not

518
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:59,640
going to be in there and we changed in
Article 19 in Article 19 in so

519
00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:04,599
you will one of the reasons that I
wanted to try and make this clearer and

520
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:08,400
more concise is I did not want to repeat
what ended up happening the last time

521
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:15,280
the charter commission committee came
forth and every article had every little

522
00:45:11,319 --> 00:45:19,400
detail in there uh I'm trusting that
again first of all this is just in re

523
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:23,800
this is just reordering so this
literally said this is not telling

524
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:30,760
people go look at every this is
everything that was reordered we created

525
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:34,760
new categories we added new respons we
moved a lot of things around if you if

526
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:40,760
you start listing them you've got to
list everything and it's too long to

527
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:47,680
list everything well that is a very
significant

528
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:52,119
change and and I think that one we two
is is important but it's in the it's in

529
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:56,520
the article about that
chapter so what I think what Steve is

530
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,800
trying is is is saying to you and that
what iar here is that if you just hear

531
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:06,520
me for a second if you start putting
about what we

532
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:14,880
reordered then that L that article will
essentially be

533
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:18,599
um a duplication of the other articles
okay well we go on another no let me

534
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:23,440
just finish let me finish this is just
talking about the fact that we did a

535
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:28,520
reorder didn't say how we reordered it
said that we did reorder and I I agree

536
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:33,319
with you we need to to make it clear
what we reordered but I think we do that

537
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:38,640
on a chapter by chapter basis not in
this General article that talks about we

538
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:43,119
did this major
reorder and I also think about when we

539
00:46:41,319 --> 00:46:50,160
go and we we present these to the
various committees a&f copc select

540
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:55,760
board the discussion about that as part
of the presentation to get people to

541
00:46:52,119 --> 00:47:00,119
adopt it is talking about that I don't
think the article has to have this

542
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,040
particular article has to have all
that's just my opinion of it I

543
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,760
understand what you're saying I just
think it has already been covered in F

544
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:11,079
those changes have been covered in
future articles okay let me ask you this

545
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:15,680
mother what what is your fourth bullet
in its

546
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:22,400
entirety actually this for Article 19
that you like to inter

547
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:22,400
um that the

548
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:34,599
um the uh word was changed from leg
legislative and executive were

549
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:40,839
flip-flopped no the town moderator
section is in the legislative branch

550
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:47,880
chapter of our current Charter not in
the chapter with select board well

551
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:52,960
that's my argument right um so three sub
this is where I

552
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:59,240
rewarded most recently three substantive
changes are noted in the table of cont

553
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:05,800
as noted in the table of contents are
one renaming the currently renamed

554
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:12,079
currently named Executive Branch the
townwide elected boards and office

555
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:17,800
holders as well as two switching the
order of that newly

556
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:23,760
named chapter would be legislative
branch and three moving the moderator

557
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:29,520
section from the legislative branch
chapter to the townwide elected boards

558
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,520
and offic holders

559
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:39,520
chapter so that is what my
recommendation would be to add to

560
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:47,040
Article 19 but I'm fully agreeable to
keep going through our um review here

561
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:50,520
and maybe I'll see it as you do well
that's that's a very good idea if you're

562
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,280
if you're comfortable with that we'll go
on and see if your uh concerns get

563
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:59,599
addressed in the Articles where that
happens okay and I I do want to note

564
00:48:56,599 --> 00:49:04,480
that I I did agree with you in terms of
making sure that in each article that

565
00:49:01,799 --> 00:49:09,720
the chapter name appear and I and I
spoke to Sy conveyed that

566
00:49:06,799 --> 00:49:13,119
to and he had said that he he would do
that so we would make sure that that's

567
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:17,160
the case because I think that will to
some degree also help clarify so when

568
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:22,280
people see the name they will know the
name whether it's changed or not right

569
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:28,119
because we changed the name of almost
every chapter

570
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:32,640
actually and all right then with that we
we'll put a we'll put a pin in 19 uh

571
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:40,079
article
20 um as it reads the summary there any

572
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:42,319
any concerns or additions or emissions
for

573
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:53,839
20 none will um want to vote on them
individually you want to vote on it as

574
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,520
what's your thoughts well I think since
since for for Martha she wanted to go

575
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:01,040
through all of it first I would say we
should wait and go through all of them

576
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:05,760
and then we can then decide if we want
to vote on them individually but I like

577
00:50:03,319 --> 00:50:09,839
all right no that's fine with me I think
go through them all first before we do

578
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:14,559
any Ming it appears there's nothing that
we'll have to come back to off article

579
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:19,319
20 at least this stage all right article
21 uh to make changes to the reorder

580
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:24,400
chapter two of this will be this should
start to get into what you

581
00:50:21,799 --> 00:50:29,480
hope chapter two of the Plymouth Town
chatter is recommended by the CH Review

582
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:34,839
Committee the reor je groups together
all townwide elected bodies and

583
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:39,119
offices in addition to grammatical
changes and removing references to

584
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:43,240
representative town meeting members
which are instead moved to the chapter

585
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:47,880
dedicated to the legislative branch of
town government the substantive

586
00:50:45,319 --> 00:50:52,799
recommended changes are as follows
select boy no substantive changes are

587
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,920
recommended in this chapter planning
board changes are recommended to the

588
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:01,160
planning board to authorize the
expansion of the role of the associate

589
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:05,119
member in the absence of an elected
member and to provide for the regular

590
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,720
updating and oversight of the community
master

591
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:15,799
plan school committee same outle the
change is recommended to remove the

592
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:19,880
requirement that the school committee be
responsible for the maintenance and

593
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:24,319
management of school facilities and
wrapping up uh Town moderator no

594
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,559
substantive changes are recommended in
this chapter

595
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:36,280
um Mr
H so we just had a precin PO this last

596
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:41,040
week there's a lot of conversation about
the school

597
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:45,960
committee and uh an issue about
consolidation of

598
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:51,640
services and uh
so this says the school committee is

599
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:57,599
responsible for the mains and management
of school facilities is that by state

600
00:51:54,119 --> 00:52:01,720
law no it's not no no it's not it was
actually the

601
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:06,640
one when you look at our Charter it
identifies four things that the school

602
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:11,799
committee does current our current
Charter the first three are state law

603
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:15,520
the fourth one about management of
facilities is not a state law

604
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:20,720
requirement that's
good well that was also it wouldn't

605
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,720
prevent

606
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,520
consolidation okay got

607
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:31,280
it any further questions on what is now
article

608
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:38,920
21 I'm thinking back from 19 do you see
anything in

609
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:43,040
this um that you could maybe break up
your uh Corrections and and add

610
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:46,359
something to this chat uh this article
or do you feel comfortable with article

611
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:55,160
21 oh wait have my numbers right
here you don't have to answer now I just

612
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,799
was wondering if this might be some way
where you can um for for example put

613
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:02,440
something in there for example if if
you're concerned if we say Town moderate

614
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:08,200
we say no substantive changes are
recommended in this chapter uh however

615
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:13,680
the town moderator has been moved from
the chapter with the legislative branch

616
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:18,720
so that way it's clearly
identified it's addressed and you break

617
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,720
it up a little bit that's

618
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:27,280
all so
um is that the chapter

619
00:53:27,319 --> 00:53:37,240
in our current Charter
yes

620
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:41,200
the moderator was with legislative right
so we say but the moderator but the

621
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:46,119
moderator position that would be chapter
two

622
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:51,440
right yeah which is
now has been changed from legislative

623
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,440
has been moved I don't want to see it
change because that's change is

624
00:53:53,200 --> 00:54:00,760
different
moved um

625
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,760
from from the

626
00:54:01,799 --> 00:54:10,240
chapter the
chapter see on I would would um delete

627
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:15,799
the first
line know substance of Chang that's

628
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:21,280
important because that is that is the
case we have not made any substantive

629
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:25,520
changes to the definition of or or the
role of the moderator as defined in our

630
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:30,480
Charter in our current Charter we have
not changed that

631
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:37,440
and I agree with that so it's a it's a
an agreement of or a disagreement on

632
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:43,520
what the word substantive means to the
person reading like to the town meeting

633
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:48,640
member
um and to me that would be very

634
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,319
confusing I would say why does it say no
substantive changes and then it tells

635
00:54:50,200 --> 00:55:00,200
about a
change so it's hard for for me to

636
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:04,559
discriminate between what you consider
the substantive change and what I

637
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:06,839
consider substantive in terms of you
know

638
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:17,200
General right so my my sentence my using
the word

639
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:24,440
substantive as I understand the word a
substantive change changes the substance

640
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:29,920
the the that would be the The Authority
the responsibilities the obligations the

641
00:55:27,799 --> 00:55:35,760
substance of the position we didn't
change the substance of the position we

642
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:40,839
merely located it in a different portion
of the

643
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:48,240
charter right and um that can be
interpreted in various ways well and

644
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:53,400
changing where items are in a charter in
the table contents and what they're

645
00:55:51,039 --> 00:56:01,599
associated
with can appear at the least

646
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:08,799
to be change that is and I I'm not going
to use the word substantial but

647
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:13,000
important it is different it is I it's
beyond my imagination why we would ever

648
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:19,559
put the
moderator in

649
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:26,680
with um the executive or the townwide
bodies that's like um as I said before

650
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:33,520
that could something could be
what are townwide elected bodies that

651
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:40,599
could be in a in the guide but um the
fact that when you read about what the

652
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:44,160
town moderator does the four items or
whatever it is five items it's all about

653
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:52,960
the
legislature so it's to me it's a major

654
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:59,079
change to change the moderator to
that so so I I would be happy if we

655
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:04,799
didn't have the sentence no substantive
changes okay

656
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:09,319
so just explain what we did right I I
realized I was in the minority of that

657
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:15,960
vote I just want
to make sure that town meeting members

658
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:20,960
understand I understand that that change
is there right first of all I do not

659
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:25,799
believe the town moderator part of the
legislature he's not he's not he doesn't

660
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:32,000
vote on anything he's just the ring
leader the can't vote on it will hang on

661
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:35,680
hang on by law hang if I understand that
correctly actually the town so the town

662
00:57:33,799 --> 00:57:40,920
moderator can only vote in the event of
a tie much the way the vice president of

663
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:44,520
the United States votes in a tie in
Congress but is not a member of the

664
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:50,160
legislative right he's not a member what
we're doing here is not changing his

665
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:55,760
role the substantive understand that I'm
not arguing that okay just hang on a

666
00:57:52,079 --> 00:58:00,760
second what we did is we made a chapter
that talk about people that got

667
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:04,760
elected and I understand that and so
that's why hang on that's why we put him

668
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:11,400
there if you look at the language for
the moderator we made and I don't

669
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:18,520
remember why but we made in 263 we made
we deleted some language so we haven't

670
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:24,960
changed his role what we have done is is
we've as an organizational process we

671
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:28,760
tried to group all the elected people
please I understand understand that I

672
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:32,920
know but the point is you're trying to
whether you consider it substantive or

673
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:37,960
not or whether you consider that the
town meeting members will be put off by

674
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:42,280
a statement that says no substantive
changes and then tells about a change

675
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:48,559
but we can't control how people people
we can't control how people Define that

676
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:54,079
word Marthur I know and I but I want
to help town meeting members

677
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:59,799
understanding I'm just saying so are we
down to just changing or a different

678
00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:04,480
word let me ask let me ask the question
Martha then because I don't want I don't

679
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:09,079
want town meeting members to get the
wrong impression that's that's important

680
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:14,480
to me I agree yes and I and I when I
drafted this language I worked as hard

681
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:21,720
as I could sure you did to not be biased
in any way or to be ad I I wanted this

682
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:28,000
to be as factual as possible so I want
town meeting members when they see this

683
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:32,880
to know that the role of the moderator
has not been changed so is that what you

684
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:37,039
want me to want to put in here instead
to say the role of the moderator has not

685
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:42,480
been changed but the moderator position
has been moved from one branch from one

686
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:49,440
chapter to another and and maybe start
with yes start with the change or the

687
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:54,559
the move and then however the role of
the moderator has not been changed well

688
00:59:52,000 --> 01:00:00,480
I I would I I'm I'm willing to certainly
put about the role put those both in but

689
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:04,200
I think it's more important to address
that we have not CH because again the

690
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,720
first thing I want I want town meeting
members to know is that we have not

691
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:11,760
changed the role of the moderator that
is the first thing that is the most

692
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:19,640
important thing that anyone we can't
change it that's remember when um D

693
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:23,440
Goldman he said certain we shouldn't we
probably can't and but there's some

694
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,720
things we certainly could change but
that's the whole point I want to make it

695
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:32,280
but I want that clear to meeting members
so I don't have a problem with saying

696
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,280
that the role of the

697
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:46,640
moderator has not been
changed actually we don't I don't even

698
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:50,440
say that because it's no recommendations
because that's how I have to phrase

699
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:56,400
everything yeah right um we're not
recommending any Chang recommending any

700
01:00:52,240 --> 01:01:00,280
changes however not
the role of the

701
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:04,400
moderator no recommendation has been
made to change the role of the moderator

702
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:08,400
let's put it that way
yeah second part is going to

703
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:18,680
be has been
made to

704
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,119
change the role of the moderator

705
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,359
you can put that as a period then we
going notice it

706
01:01:39,319 --> 01:01:47,400
however the moderator position has been
moved from the

707
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:54,559
chapter on the legislative branch from
the legislative branch chapter to the

708
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:58,520
townwide elected Branch or chapter well
I don't know if we need to put that

709
01:01:55,559 --> 01:02:04,240
because they know that this chapter that
chapter is headed townwide elected yeah

710
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:08,640
no I keep it as minim minimal as you
like but but make note that we haven't

711
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:12,559
changed it out of that one legislative I
think I think

712
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:17,839
person will understand has been moved I
do too yeah from the chapter thank you

713
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:22,039
on the legislative branch sorry I
couldn't come up with that no no this is

714
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:25,039
the night to get it that's why we do
this

715
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:34,480
Mr moderator Mr
chairman go right ahead Mr jado yeah Al

716
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:41,440
jado Precinct 17 I'm glad you made the
changes um the moderator is derived from

717
01:02:38,359 --> 01:02:47,279
the legislative BRS he or she has really
no other function other than what is set

718
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:55,000
through the legislative branch Plymouth
is unique years ago you elected a town

719
01:02:51,119 --> 01:03:00,319
clerk you elected the moderator then we
went from an open town meeting where

720
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:05,400
everyone showed up to elected and these
leftover positions the clerk eventually

721
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:11,119
became appointed and this moderator
function goes back decades or it goes

722
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:18,680
back to the 1940s when you had an open
town meeting most towns elect a

723
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:24,319
moderator through the body it is a
function of the of because then we know

724
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:28,359
what the moderator is up up to when he
or she appoints the finance committee

725
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:34,359
finance committee
appoints answers to us they do that

726
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:39,520
Financial detailed work for us so it
flows properly so I'm glad you cleared

727
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:45,400
this up I was a little concerned about
that because in closing we've had some

728
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:49,880
concerns with the moderator and how much
power he has and that's been a concern

729
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:54,440
in the town and that's been
corrected and I think a lot of T meeting

730
01:03:52,279 --> 01:04:00,680
members would be concerned if he didn't
make those changes so thank you for the

731
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:04,640
changes thank you Mr Dono and any
further M go right ahead the moderator

732
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:10,279
was elected
impus that's okay we're not and and

733
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:14,720
still is and we're not changing that I
mean was appointed excuse me and now and

734
01:04:13,279 --> 01:04:19,039
then we changed it to an elected
position and that's where it is and

735
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:25,400
we're not changing that right exactly so
all right so um that actually takes care

736
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:31,480
of of some of your um first bullet we
got into that um chat article 21 okay so

737
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:35,559
if everybody happy with article 21 now
as it

738
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:39,960
reads seeing No Hands we'll go on to
article

739
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:44,359
22 uh I don't want to bore the whole
committee want me to read these aloud or

740
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:49,279
does anyone have any um pre preone notes
they want to bring up article

741
01:04:46,839 --> 01:04:53,960
22 what's the what's the pleasure of the
group I just read it so all so you're

742
01:04:51,880 --> 01:05:04,720
good I'm good yeah did you have any
thoughts on 22 on what is now 22

743
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:04,720
master um any your notes to that nothing

744
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:13,520
outstanding unless it's related to what
is my I can't my mind is soping here

745
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:18,920
this take your time this is this is all
the the town meeting

746
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:26,440
so we really
didn't we made very few right real

747
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:30,799
changes again most of what we did was
just to clarify again the the big

748
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:37,279
changes we talked about were adding
something to the

749
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:37,279
caucuses um requiring

750
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:46,880
that we creating a separate simultaneous
offices provision for town meeting as

751
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:46,880
well as for the other

752
01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:59,240
bodies and then most of what we did was
just cleaning up yeah right

753
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:02,359
I AG this is fine other than the
conflict of interest that was the one

754
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:06,960
that
was that actually got changed a little

755
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:10,079
bit and that says to remove the
restriction on representative Town me

756
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:15,079
May who were Town
employees I think did change that so

757
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:20,359
again I I did try and go through every
provision and and identify what I

758
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:27,279
thought were the major things that were
not just grammatical

759
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:32,200
or or eliminations for duplicative or
things like that I all right and seeing

760
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:37,839
um nothing that jumps out to anyone on
article 22 we'll move on Steve one one

761
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:42,359
question Steve could you look at the
board and see if I captured the town

762
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:49,880
moderator change
that can you read it uh no we can't read

763
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:56,039
that have to share share it it is you I
am screen

764
01:06:50,880 --> 01:07:00,920
sharing we don't see itang on
we reduce that Zoom screen

765
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:07,960
one no I'm sharing let me unshare myself
for a minute Michelle that might be what

766
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:11,799
causes the
problem because I don't need to be

767
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,279
shared why am I looking at that

768
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,520
damn oh

769
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:35,119
okay let let me see if I can screen your
sh share your screen

770
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,960
Michelle I should be able to do it with

771
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:49,160
you no I can't share you have to do it I
it says mine says I am screen sharing

772
01:07:48,279 --> 01:07:55,279
right
now yeah we're not seeing it I'm

773
01:07:52,119 --> 01:07:59,119
sorry hang on look at the co-host and
see there's something there it does say

774
01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:02,960
that is it up in the owl oh maybe that's
it right there hang on

775
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:14,119
more oh it says your it says your
co-hosting it says stop sharing you're

776
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:20,480
sharing but we're not seeing it give me
a second give me a second how about

777
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:26,880
optimize for video sharing under the
options no

778
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:35,199
no were you underneath her where it says
layouts options you have share optimize

779
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:41,239
for video sharing see if that works says
Where oh oh oh I'm saying I'm sorry no

780
01:08:38,679 --> 01:08:41,239
that's right

781
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,679
out that's

782
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:50,920
not hang on a second Melle

783
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:02,759
huh not sure

784
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:11,120
why yeah it says multiple let me let me
do

785
01:09:08,839 --> 01:09:13,520
this try and see if you can unshare and
share

786
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:24,679
again what was the correction she was
trying to do Steve what we just did I

787
01:09:22,759 --> 01:09:27,799
think she typed it out and she wants to
make sure that we she's typed it out as

788
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:34,600
we discussed it yeah okay that's
important I think we should Michelle I'm

789
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,600
coming hold on

790
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,560
okay I wish they would fix this

791
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:52,839
something there you
go Marth there is what we just kind of

792
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,839
said let's see

793
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,320
there we go how does that

794
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:09,120
look yeah it's article 21 right I think
that's very

795
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:20,440
good better than I could
do except I don't think it's townwide

796
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:26,920
elected Town boards and I think it's
just townwide elected boards and office

797
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:33,360
holder and office holders
um right in

798
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:37,640
the wide townwide elected wide elected
Town

799
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:43,280
boards it it
is yep that what we intended I thought

800
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:51,040
that was that I think that was just the
typo be honest but okay be

801
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:57,080
careful hang on Theo T contents yeah
townwide elected Town boards and office

802
01:10:54,239 --> 01:11:02,280
holders second Town yeah I do we need to
say that they're townwide Town Offices

803
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:06,960
the town doesn't vote on anything other
than town office our Charter doesn't

804
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:10,239
address federal or
state so

805
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:20,719
you so first office holders is plural
but yes eliminate that second Town

806
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:24,920
correct you got that right okay yeah
just delete

807
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:29,600
it well we need to delete it from the
chart now also so but just delete it

808
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,719
here
okay but you're absolutely right it does

809
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:38,400
need to be it does need to be and that's
office holders plural and you're right

810
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:42,520
it does need to be actually it doesn't
need to be a deletion but the one we

811
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:46,480
pass in it can't show up in the table
I've already marked it to delete it

812
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:53,760
right because that's new so it's not
something that's a strike out from

813
01:11:50,480 --> 01:12:01,440
Curr okay
work okay all right great thank

814
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:08,480
you so moving back um ahead we felt good
with article um which is now renamed

815
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:15,760
article 22 we'll go on to article uh 23
this is the reordering of chapter 4 uh

816
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:21,800
this talks about uh voting and off
elections and holding

817
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:27,400
office is there anything in this um
eight or 10 bullets that um concern

818
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,400
anybody or need to be

819
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:42,400
reviewed not seeing anything or is
everyone reading it want a minute to

820
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,400
read it or everyone feel

821
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:50,679
comfortable okay I think we're good
moving on uh article

822
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:54,360
24 this is the reordering of chapter
five of the Plymouth Town cha

823
01:12:52,360 --> 01:13:03,040
recommended by the CH Review Committee
this talks about the town manages

824
01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:06,840
um um duties and responsibilities if I'm
not

825
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:11,920
mistaken talks about Finn head of
Finance director of

826
01:13:09,159 --> 01:13:16,440
finance department of planning and the
Department of Public

827
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:20,440
Works it's four bullets in this
particular

828
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:24,920
article anything that anyone would like
to speak to were people comfortable with

829
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:28,159
my putting that bold note in there I
thought that was very important to

830
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:30,960
stress because I know that that would be
confusing to

831
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:36,320
people yeah I think that's that should
be

832
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:47,719
huge okay seeing no further discussion
article 25 this is the reordering of

833
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:54,400
chapter 6 of the pouth Town
cha uh this talks uh about the advisory

834
01:13:51,719 --> 01:13:58,520
and finance committee and their uh way
that they're appoint the way that they

835
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:58,520
do

836
01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:05,440
reports the Conservation Commission and
the zoning board of

837
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:16,040
appeals nothing jumps out anyone we're
talking about what was seven now is 25

838
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:22,880
correct yes I believe that's correct and
that's that the title of that chapter is

839
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:27,920
statutory required public bodies
okay is there anything in that chapter

840
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:34,520
anyone has any concern with the way that
it was defined for our purposes for to

841
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:39,199
meeting seeing none we're going on to
what's on the paper is article 8 now in

842
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:46,560
our minds will be article 26 that's the
reordering of chapter 7 the CL Town

843
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:50,000
Shadow this talks uh primarily uh about
other committees consisting of the

844
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:56,840
committee of prec
chairs Board of Health open

845
01:14:53,480 --> 01:15:02,159
space the land use and acquisition the
building

846
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:11,000
committee and the chat Review Committee
coincidentally enough any questions

847
01:15:06,199 --> 01:15:11,000
on anything in that chapter chapter

848
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:23,880
26 everything looks pretty
good moving on to article uh 9 as we see

849
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:28,840
it here today it will be article 27 this
is uh the reordering of chapter 8 of the

850
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:35,960
Plymouth Town
Chada and this talks

851
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:38,360
about boards and how this what this how
this set

852
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:50,360
up change it to recommended to create a
fixed date by which boards commissions

853
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:56,520
and committees shall organize annually
Al this must be a result after

854
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:59,960
elections um anyone have anything um
they' like to talk about in article

855
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:11,400
27 moving on to article 20 28 which is
on your paper today article 10 this is

856
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:11,400
to reorder chapter nine Plymouth Town

857
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:27,080
cha this talks about P Town chatter and
U I think it talks about when we meet

858
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:31,040
every five years no this is just the
this is those this is the miscellaneous

859
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:35,280
Provisions
section I don't want maybe I should have

860
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:39,800
been on top of this are we reordering or
is this all new one of them was all new

861
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:46,159
wasn't it the
chapters um yes that was

862
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:50,840
the yeah but there this is make char
changes to the reordered Charter chapter

863
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,840
okay so we'll keep using that okay that
was my mistake all right that confus

864
01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:57,840
this this this is to make sure that
everybody knows that they're doing this

865
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:03,679
this is to chapter eight of the
reordered chter chapter seven of the

866
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:10,080
reordered not of the existing fair
enough yep okay that's

867
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:14,679
good um and then so that wouldn't it if
I'm not mistaken Steve you can correct

868
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:21,880
that that takes care of of our work
correct as we did over the last U 13 14

869
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:26,760
months uh speaking to the chter and the
revisions or the corrections or the

870
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:31,080
deletions we made now article 11 as we
have it here today you'll see it on

871
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:34,960
Saturday morning uh morning of town
meeting is article 29 and this is to

872
01:17:33,639 --> 01:17:39,880
permit the town
clerk hopefully to take all of the

873
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:44,880
changes that were accepted by town
meeting and reorder them so uh and for

874
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:51,520
this one and for this one I would
actually go right to the language that

875
01:17:47,239 --> 01:17:55,560
Sylvio had prepared in the draft warrant
says to see if the town will vote to

876
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:59,920
authorize the town clerk with the
approval of the Town manager to make

877
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:03,639
clerical and non-substantive editorial
revisions to the Plymouth Town Charter

878
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:10,000
in accordance with the changes as
adopted by town meeting on October 19

879
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:14,840
2024 or take any other action relative
thet it seems to sum up pretty good I

880
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:19,080
think that that's not just that at that
point it's not just the reordering but

881
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:25,639
also obviously that would deal with the
internal references and things like that

882
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:33,040
so it's not reordering it's renumbering
right um this yes it's re sorry ring it

883
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:39,400
would be it's not just I think that's
that's sorry that was my I misspoke yeah

884
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:43,400
right that's what I thought yep no uh
yes so this so that concludes at least

885
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:48,520
um so we're going to put going over the
do you have anything that can go back um

886
01:18:45,719 --> 01:18:55,320
Authur and and any any place else that
you can well no no I'm all set oh you

887
01:18:52,199 --> 01:19:01,719
are okay make sure that because the
other part

888
01:18:57,199 --> 01:19:09,480
of changing the names of the charters
now that there's no executive it

889
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:19,000
is townwide elected
Etc that's all written it's down here so

890
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:23,080
um happy with that um but did I
understand that we were going to put yes

891
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:30,040
we're going to put Michelle is typing it
as we speak I I agree with that follow

892
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,040
the ball on the

893
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:38,040
screen we need to vote on them yeah
we're going to vote on them in their

894
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:42,840
entirety sounds like everybody's since
everybody's comfortable I think we

895
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:47,960
everything in its entirity
yeah we'll just wait till she um

896
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:52,400
Everybody agrees with her
wording are you can you are you

897
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:59,040
verifying what she's typing yes that is
that is exactly what what was put in the

898
01:19:55,159 --> 01:20:03,880
it looks good I see it from I would out
loud so we're going to there's a motion

899
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:07,199
to approve the language of the Articles
as amended is that a good description of

900
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:12,679
them and that's a good way put yeah we
amended in two places right okay yes so

901
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:18,239
yeah I think that's a way of put it is
that a motion Len that's a motion by me

902
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:22,480
all right second seconded by Mr Hen any
further

903
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:28,000
discussion seeing none uh would you just
do a raise your hand vote All In

904
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:34,280
favor just to be
unanimous thank you

905
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:37,320
um so that concludes the two um
specified line items we're going to talk

906
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:44,600
about this
evening

907
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:48,760
um going in now to a New or Old business
is there anything so Mr Hanley do we

908
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:56,199
have a
schedule when this

909
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:59,760
was presented to the select in yes yes
we do and I and I thought we had talked

910
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:08,199
about a presentation of the
copc want to know what that I can tell

911
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:13,440
you hang on well fincom is September
5th

912
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:17,159
SE September 5th before the night before
is a s I think I have to look on pap

913
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:22,480
that
sorry the nth is the no because there's

914
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:27,159
not a meeting there not there's not a
meeting because the election is that

915
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:35,560
night from the election election day the
day before but the copc is on the

916
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:41,920
9th 9 it's the ninth I believe
99 I got that right from the horse's

917
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:46,239
mouth and the select board is on the
10th and the only thing that's missing

918
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:50,840
that you were going to are we going to
do are we being asked to do something

919
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:56,280
for the school committee we were asked
the only night they gave me two nights

920
01:21:54,320 --> 01:22:03,600
one is a conflict the other one is
September 23rd now we didn't uh discuss

921
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:09,520
if we were going to um do a presentation
there I think it's a good idea to but um

922
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:15,480
is there a is there a thought amongst
the committee to U do a presentation to

923
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,480
the school committee on the 23rd of

924
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:25,080
September what's that look
from so I suggested since we know why

925
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:29,199
they want us to come talk to them and
the fact that I was the one that

926
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:34,760
proposed taking that paragraph
out well they she's very uh we got this

927
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:38,560
I got an email from uh Miss Miss Badger
the chair the

928
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:41,719
chairperson we would like to learn more
about the changes that the charter

929
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:45,679
committee is proposing regarding the
school

930
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:51,000
committee our meetings are on September
9th which we have a conflict with

931
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:56,480
copc and the 23rd so I can get back to
her and to let her know okay to book us

932
01:22:53,120 --> 01:23:00,040
an agenda spot on the 23rd and I would
assume if she gets by chance gets oh

933
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:03,679
that's the primary forget about it I
thought it was the election I'd be glad

934
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:08,800
to go do that somebody wants to come
with me to help me Dodge the stones I'm

935
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:12,440
buy
man thank you Mike what what night of

936
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:16,040
the week did you meet me for beer
afterwards at

937
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:21,000
least what night is you may need
something stronger well you know what

938
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:26,920
what day Monday 23 Monday right so it's
the 23rd of September is 23rd I have a

939
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:32,520
big something in my house I'm just well
I like to come to all of these um and at

940
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:37,239
least be
there well that would be my hope if

941
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:41,800
whoever wants to attend attend anyone
wants to speak we can break it up

942
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,159
everyone can speak other some can speak
what well I mean I think we should as we

943
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:50,320
get close to those dates we should have
a strategy about I mean you know Steve's

944
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:54,920
got a lot that he's presenting to the
different committees and there's like on

945
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:59,520
the night I think thef aren't you doing
landbank the night I'm doing the land

946
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:04,120
bank the night before so I'm just saying
you know not to have him be standing

947
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:08,159
there not that he's you know we don't
want him to be there presenting but just

948
01:24:05,719 --> 01:24:11,400
that he's not standing there for they're
all going to be they're going to be

949
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:17,080
tired of me from other things that's
what ly is basically saying well you

950
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:22,400
know it helps to have you know I also
agree I think it's important to stress

951
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:27,880
that this is a committee decision in
terms of our recommendations that every

952
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:34,719
body participated fully this is not just
one or one person's or one small group's

953
01:24:31,719 --> 01:24:39,280
approach that we had different people
presenting different ideas and that we

954
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:44,560
worked collaboratively to try and come
up with the best that language we could

955
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:48,480
for Town meetings
consideration oh I agree that's why I

956
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:52,360
extend it to anyone and everyone that
wants to participate in pres presenting

957
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:58,600
because everyone has a strong suit
everyone has a um you know opinion on on

958
01:24:55,159 --> 01:25:04,239
what we did as body of work and I think
as a town meeting member sitting out in

959
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:08,600
the audience if I were to hear uh from
anyone in the committee or everyone in

960
01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:13,520
the committee even that's even better uh
I would feel much more comfortable that

961
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:17,760
you know was you know doesn't have to
say that we were 100% on on everything

962
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:21,639
but I think the vast majority of our
votes all of our votes or obviously a

963
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:26,880
majority but I think for the most part
we had um a very good group and everyone

964
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:31,840
contributed and I think in the
presentation it would be nice if that

965
01:25:29,119 --> 01:25:36,560
shows it's up to I've never been to any
of these meetings that's my hesitation I

966
01:25:34,199 --> 01:25:40,719
do want to go y um oh we're going to
throw you right out front then that's it

967
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:45,679
congratulations you're now doing the
copc presentation you love it we voted

968
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:50,560
last week you the spokes person you
didn't know that you didn't get that

969
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,560
memo I worried

970
01:25:51,320 --> 01:26:00,760
about what's that so uh
finance committee September 5th y copc

971
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:07,719
September 9th Board of selectman
September 10th school committee

972
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:13,440
September and then there's presentation
night do we have a that's is that the

973
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:18,520
town moderator's presentation night well
it's presentation night well the town

974
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:22,560
moderator does a presentation for pack
TV where you can get on tape for

975
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:27,560
Saturday morning that's really a walk
through the it's the Motions meeting

976
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:31,480
you're talking about well the motion he
does two things he does a presentation

977
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:36,159
and he does a what's the one he does a
walk what's he call Thursday the 10th is

978
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:39,760
October 10th the motions and the motion
being is the the morning thing where you

979
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:47,840
go upstairs and you can change if
you preview he calls it

980
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:51,719
a so what is pres being presentation um
lately because of Co is something that

981
01:26:50,119 --> 01:26:56,400
the moderator does through pack TV and
if you're a presenter of an article you

982
01:26:53,840 --> 01:27:00,840
can go win anytime during the prior week
and and tape five minutes or well was it

983
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:07,040
anytime I we've just been doing it as a
night they've literally been those who

984
01:27:03,239 --> 01:27:11,080
wish to have a recording of their
presentation those who are proponents of

985
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:13,679
an article presenting an article want
something more than just somebody

986
01:27:12,199 --> 01:27:19,000
standing in front of the town meeting
talking no this is actually to record

987
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:24,400
something so that town meeting members
in advance of meeting it's in advance of

988
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:29,360
town meeting can get on so you can watch
it that Night Live or because the local

989
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:33,960
scene will record it it'll then be
available if someone wants to look at it

990
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:39,560
but for about 10 years prior to co copc
had a presentation night which was sort

991
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:44,000
of call on the ninth that for us they're
going to talk about to meeting

992
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:48,440
articles and that and they've given us
45 minutes or an hour Mr tarus so then

993
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:52,920
the other question is what about
caucuses well this is part of where I'm

994
01:27:51,239 --> 01:27:57,040
going okay sorry I didn't mean to steal
your thunder because I going to send out

995
01:27:54,760 --> 01:28:04,159
a meeting a memo
to um the chair of precin

996
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:11,679
15 uh tonight or tomorrow with these
dates because we have I told as I said

997
01:28:08,119 --> 01:28:15,440
we met as a Precinct last week right and
we all we talked about was the draft

998
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:19,440
warrant we went over the draft warrant
and what do we think is important what

999
01:28:17,639 --> 01:28:26,080
do you think is housekeeping stuff like
that what and so we're going to have a

1000
01:28:21,639 --> 01:28:30,040
separate meeting just on the charter and
I believe that's September

1001
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:35,000
26 26 of course it

1002
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:43,199
is well we could and there'll be other
pocket they're getting together or not

1003
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:48,600
yeah
17 I just think it's important enough

1004
01:28:46,199 --> 01:28:53,719
this was my recommendation through
Precinct 15 what is it was important

1005
01:28:51,119 --> 01:28:58,000
enough to have a separate meeting just
on the charter but we are hopes that you

1006
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:01,199
are going to represent the committee
Charter committee or do you want someone

1007
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:06,800
from the charter help you we don't need
a presentation because this is part of

1008
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:11,880
my point and you're on the committee of
Precinct chairs the chair of the

1009
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:17,239
precinct chairs needs to get this
schedule and tell and so send it out to

1010
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:22,280
every single town meeting member they
have four

1011
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:27,000
opportunities to have to listen to a
presentation so caucus and do it again

1012
01:29:25,639 --> 01:29:31,119
yeah so why come to the caucus and do
again very good I like whole point of

1013
01:29:29,679 --> 01:29:34,800
you're absolutely right because they
want to ask questions so that you or

1014
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:39,480
somebody because because they want to
ask questions and because they still

1015
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:43,560
want everybody to go to them that will
be the answer well the point is

1016
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:50,880
unfortunate but that is and this is what
I told recing 15 it will there will not

1017
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:54,920
be a presentation at our baucus you have
the opportunity you had three

1018
01:29:53,080 --> 01:30:00,600
opportunities now you got four including
the school committee to hear the

1019
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:04,040
presentation now it's about discussing
and asking questions well the school

1020
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:10,360
committee is just going to the school
committee was very clear they want to

1021
01:30:05,719 --> 01:30:14,159
know simply how does the charter impact
proposed changes impact the school

1022
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:19,840
commit no but what's the script that
you're all going to consist okay so this

1023
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:25,440
is what I wanted to ask Al Alan is let
me let me finish this so I think it's

1024
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:30,360
important for the Precinct chairs to put
this schedule

1025
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:35,679
out all town meeting members so that
they have an opportunity to listen to at

1026
01:30:33,159 --> 01:30:37,920
least one of these presentation I'm
sorry

1027
01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:50,239
absolutely my question is what is your
role as chair of the committee in terms

1028
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:57,560
of ANF select board copc and school
committee um and I was thinking what oh

1029
01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:04,040
was said here are you going to write up
a script I certainly I think we talked

1030
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:10,360
about that we executive summary of what
we've done and and obviously we have

1031
01:31:07,239 --> 01:31:15,440
what is already pretty muchy much
already written that is you know a a

1032
01:31:13,639 --> 01:31:21,639
great start that's pretty much written
but my hope as a chair or is this am I

1033
01:31:18,199 --> 01:31:25,920
presuming what is inaccurate that this
can be used as

1034
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,920
what do you what what

1035
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:41,639
does what's the purpose of the
a&f you're the chair as a chair I would

1036
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:45,440
think I would explain why we think these
changes I would start I would open up

1037
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:48,679
the presentation talk a little hisory
history how we got to be a committee

1038
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:55,000
when we started how long we've been
doing it and then break off into what

1039
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:59,480
our philosophies were we decided to um
um streamline the chatter remove

1040
01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:03,600
anything that was redundant remove
anything that was uh didn't need to be

1041
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:09,480
in there as it pertained to talking
about state law and then we made we made

1042
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:14,119
some changes made some emissions uh we
we we we put things where they should be

1043
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:18,880
was makes this old document easy to read
and then my you know after a few minutes

1044
01:32:16,679 --> 01:32:22,199
of talking about our philosophies and a
few of the high points that we talked

1045
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:27,159
about maybe if there's others from the
committee that are there that night that

1046
01:32:24,639 --> 01:32:32,360
really know a certain part of the child
that you know that really can hammer it

1047
01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:38,159
home they talk about it and so do like
does ANF or selectboard or cop do they

1048
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:41,480
ask questions of the they typically do
they typically give you whoever else is

1049
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:47,000
their time frame and then if you're
talking they'll extend it but um once I

1050
01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:51,600
think we do our presentation in my head
I have the presentation being you know

1051
01:32:49,119 --> 01:32:56,080
15 minutes you know talking about some
things and then taking questions there

1052
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:59,800
might be some specific things that this
is what I've been sort of fooling around

1053
01:32:57,440 --> 01:33:02,920
myself is I drive around and think there
might be something that we talked about

1054
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:06,639
in this chat that catches someone's eye
and it becomes an issue that I don't

1055
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:08,679
think of today is an issue it could be
something in there that we're all

1056
01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:13,320
worried about that breezes through
people like it so we'll know the first

1057
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:17,360
one or two presentations where the
pressure is going to come from I I think

1058
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:22,040
it's a good document and I'm going to
I'm going to I'm going to stress while I

1059
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:26,320
speak as a town meeting member I haven't
gone through this now twice

1060
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:31,600
I think we've gone through two chter
committees as a town meting member that

1061
01:33:29,159 --> 01:33:37,440
I think what we've done is sort of novel
with we've made the thing easier to read

1062
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:43,320
easier to to look at easier to use and I
think we've made some great uh great um

1063
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:48,080
changes or not changes as much as
recommendations recommendations and uh

1064
01:33:46,639 --> 01:33:52,600
that's that's where I'm coming from as a
presenter I'm going to have been on the

1065
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:56,560
other side voting on this and I will be
again quite honestly

1066
01:33:54,239 --> 01:34:02,040
but this is a good document and it
here's why it's easy to read it's easy

1067
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:07,679
to find things you want to find anything
out about the copc now you go to chapter

1068
01:34:05,719 --> 01:34:12,480
seven or whatever number is I yeah I
mean for example in copc since Al's on

1069
01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:17,119
the committee we can't expect Al to
stand up and do the presentation so I'm

1070
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:20,480
willing to stand up either Steve or I
you know if he's got some stuff he's

1071
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:23,520
presenting that's already got him up
there

1072
01:34:21,239 --> 01:34:27,520
talking lots of things I'm willing to
stand stand up in front of the committee

1073
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:33,239
but I think we all should get together
and come up with some some language that

1074
01:34:29,719 --> 01:34:37,080
we want to use you know personally me my
I subscribe to less as More Concept you

1075
01:34:35,639 --> 01:34:41,239
know the less you say the better off you
are because it leaves less room for

1076
01:34:39,119 --> 01:34:46,960
interpretation I think let people to try
to interpret it and ask questions and

1077
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:51,080
answer the questions you know as our
esteemed lawyer will tell you if you've

1078
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:54,880
ever been Depo deposed there's three
words you say yes no and I don't know

1079
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:58,440
and some Ty say well yes I don't know
it's not a worry but I just think you

1080
01:34:56,639 --> 01:35:02,920
know we need to just help people
understand it you're concerned about

1081
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:06,880
that that part in that first article I
understand that and I think that's our

1082
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:11,360
role they have to make up their own mind
uh I'm it's to me it's not a sales job

1083
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:16,239
it's it's an information we're just
providing information and some clarity

1084
01:35:13,639 --> 01:35:21,159
on what we did and why we did it you
know to kind of piggy bank on what El

1085
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:28,040
said that's just my philosophy so Lyn
have you been to some to uh a a article

1086
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:35,480
presentation meeting or whatever it's
called um am AMF select board no copc no

1087
01:35:33,719 --> 01:35:39,440
and it's just to me it's just another
committee another presentation I've

1088
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:43,880
stood up in front of 1500 people made
presentations so I'm not nervous about

1089
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:48,280
it I don't think there's anything mag
just my opinion I don't think there's

1090
01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:51,159
anything magical about it these are you
go in with the philosophy these are

1091
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:54,800
smart knowledgeable people that can
figure things out and if they have some

1092
01:35:53,280 --> 01:36:00,040
questions about some things you help
them try to understand what the words on

1093
01:35:57,639 --> 01:36:04,080
the paper what the intent of the words
on the paper not what they mean but what

1094
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:10,239
was the intent of the words you know
give them some context to it so you know

1095
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:15,880
I'm not I'm not afraid of doing it so
can I ask Alan

1096
01:36:12,119 --> 01:36:21,480
um do you feel like as a copc member
that you wouldn't be able to change hats

1097
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:25,600
during the meeting that you would oh no
I comfortable that I would get up out of

1098
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:29,760
walk over to the podium and start the
presentation depending on who came

1099
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:34,199
hopefully Steve and Mike hopefully
everyone's there because I think once we

1100
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:38,080
do one or two of these will start to uh
flush out where what people want to know

1101
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:43,199
about and and somebody might know more
about it uh Len and Steve have typed and

1102
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:47,960
written this thing you know 100 times so
if somebody has a very specific question

1103
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:51,520
on some wording they're probably going
to answer it unless you and I know off

1104
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:55,040
top of our head but I'd love to have
that support where we can answer

1105
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:58,880
everything that night somebody has
something to contribute and somebody has

1106
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:03,600
a strong suit and knows you know they
know this part of they know they know it

1107
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:06,920
down so I would get up make the Pres
make the introduction stand to the side

1108
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:13,840
in case there's any last minute
questions or a final wrap up and then

1109
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:18,639
I'll go back as U as pring 10 guy Ste
that sounds good to me I so I I do

1110
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:24,239
intend on being at most if not all of
these uh and for your comfort Martha yes

1111
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:29,000
I have presented to every one of these
on several occasions I can also tell you

1112
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:34,360
not that I've seen it I can also tell
you that I believe our former chair may

1113
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:39,480
be appearing at a couple of these Mr
Golden now Mr Golden of course is a

1114
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:48,599
select board member he is also a former
copc member so his his uh impro if you

1115
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:55,080
will as to our work may also carry some
weight with town meeting members uh he

1116
01:37:53,000 --> 01:38:00,280
he is very excited by what we have
finished with um I don't want to speak

1117
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:06,560
for him but obviously he he's expressed
his his support of the committee's work

1118
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:10,639
and his interest in seeing this put
forth and get a good good reception no

1119
01:38:09,239 --> 01:38:14,480
it's a great point and I forgot to
mention that but as I've driven around

1120
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:20,360
and said this thing in my head I a
driveing uh uh Mr Golden is the liais on

1121
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:25,159
now with copc he's going to be in the
room and you know

1122
01:38:23,719 --> 01:38:30,199
I I'll be the first to admit I think he
did the lion sharing carrying this thing

1123
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:34,159
getting it started and he should be
noted for that and you know I don't know

1124
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:38,159
if he's has if it's appropriate and his
rolling now to come up and speak to it

1125
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:42,239
but he may be able to speak on the
premise of how we got started and why we

1126
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:47,400
went in certain directions and now it's
going to be a benefit if if if we have a

1127
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:52,320
select board Buy in right right off the
rail so yeah I think Steve raised a good

1128
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:58,719
point I think you have to make note of
Mr Golden Mr super I know he left for um

1129
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:02,440
personal reasons or conflicts but he was
huge he was a huge help I thought we

1130
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:06,199
yeah we had a good committee and and I
hope not to put you on the spot do you

1131
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:10,679
have an interest in speaking or do you
feel like you would feel it out would

1132
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:15,239
you want to get up and speak process
participate and so I want you to feel

1133
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:20,000
comfortable to do that Mr Paisa is a
wealth of information Mr Hutchinson on

1134
01:39:17,239 --> 01:39:24,480
here tonight Mr La Mr La is going to be
sitting on the other side of the table

1135
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:31,119
in a&f but he knows everything we did
here and he has he has his opinions he

1136
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:36,840
could explain it so I think the uh and I
probably have a different

1137
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:40,040
opinion Mr hanlin on the caucuses I I I
I'm gonna hope to go to Every caucus I

1138
01:39:38,119 --> 01:39:43,639
can go to because I've learned at least
I mean the more you put yourself in

1139
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:48,119
front of people and let them ask you
questions good or bad if they beat you

1140
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:52,760
up or if they're good you stand up I
feel a much better chance Saturday

1141
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:57,119
morning of passing if if I talk to you
and I don't even know you from Precinct

1142
01:39:54,639 --> 01:40:01,560
18 when you had a one-on-one with me and
we talked it might have been enough to

1143
01:39:59,159 --> 01:40:05,599
change your mind or or make you vot for
it I I don't want to leave any stone

1144
01:40:03,599 --> 01:40:11,920
unturned it'll be only me twice a years
I want to talk to 162 161 people if I

1145
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:16,639
can I will I've been to the I I was um
one of the League members that went to

1146
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:23,880
the caucuses when the Comm uh
commissions proposal was coming before

1147
01:40:21,639 --> 01:40:29,880
um you know our our
Town Springtown meeting ballot question

1148
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:37,119
so that I have
done and have the same opinion the more

1149
01:40:32,679 --> 01:40:37,119
you you get in front of the it was just

1150
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:43,400
educational we were helping educate I
don't think there's a difference of

1151
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:48,560
opinion I think it's a just simple
matter of exhaustion no and I because I

1152
01:40:46,639 --> 01:40:52,560
I mean I I will be attending a number of
them on landbank but again I also have

1153
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:58,239
Mr KY and Mr Goldman who will be
attending other caucuses I'm so we can

1154
01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:03,080
divide up and we should be doing the
same thing for this we should make sure

1155
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:08,960
I me the irony is when we talk about the
copc we had four copc members on this

1156
01:41:06,119 --> 01:41:13,880
committee at one point or another Mr
Golden yourself Miss kavako and Mr

1157
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:18,800
Hutchinson not
me I'm

1158
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:23,719
sorry I was we've been here to I was
speaking about Allan but yeah but that's

1159
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:29,599
a great point and one former member for
and one former member that's right

1160
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:36,840
so and which is ironic because probably
the largest change in our Charter is in

1161
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:40,520
really defining the role of the
copc right

1162
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:53,360
say um I I um there's two thoughts I
want to get out here one

1163
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:58,599
is we need to know what the schedule of
the 18 pre I'll have to ask Mr I'll get

1164
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:03,159
that as quick as I can good good luck
getting that anytime that will I

1165
01:42:01,480 --> 01:42:07,639
understand that will change and I will
also say that again there will have

1166
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:11,719
multiple meetings because of the size of
the of the warrant in general so it's

1167
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:17,719
not just a question of when the schedule
is but when they want to hear from us on

1168
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:21,840
the charter as opposed to other or but
the sooner we get that information the

1169
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:27,840
better of course it is
so I will be present at any of these

1170
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:34,040
four meetings oh you're out of
town yes I am all of them I'm sitting

1171
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:40,400
there looking at my schedule which I
still use we went over there and

1172
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:44,639
um
well just a busy man my friend is there

1173
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:49,040
anything you at this stage of tonight
you can add you that we should do with

1174
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:53,280
these presentations
any and you if you were here would you

1175
01:42:51,679 --> 01:42:58,159
do anything different than we've spoke
about so far this

1176
01:42:54,599 --> 01:43:02,000
evening well my philosophy of precin
cauy back from when I was a chair want

1177
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:09,199
about the four event you're going to
miss yeah yeah okay you know you've got

1178
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:12,560
you got it under control you know you
will have a

1179
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:17,320
script I'm sure it's not going to change
from one to one meeting to another

1180
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:25,960
that's all fine
uh my very strong recommendation is that

1181
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:31,080
we not because some some precin caucuses
are going to say oh we want a

1182
01:43:27,599 --> 01:43:36,159
presentation right and if if we make it
clear to them that there are four

1183
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:40,639
presentations maybe not the school
committee so much but the other three

1184
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:47,239
there are three presentations there's
opportunities for town meeting members

1185
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:51,560
to hear what you and others have to say
and then if so additional questions we

1186
01:43:49,480 --> 01:43:56,000
could come in and address that but the
question that's a good point May go

1187
01:43:53,360 --> 01:44:00,040
under that I mean we need to we'll be
there to answer questions I think when

1188
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:04,760
Mike saying we need to sell that concept
and say look you can you can you can

1189
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:09,520
watch it on P TV you can watch it on
YouTube you can go there and sit in

1190
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:12,840
person you can participate in a zoom
thing so there's lots of ways for you to

1191
01:44:11,719 --> 01:44:17,119
hear that
information and then after the fact if

1192
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:20,840
there is a series of questions that you
still have and your caucus would like

1193
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:23,800
somebody from the committee to come and
talk to you about it let us know and we

1194
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:29,880
will
do our best to accommodate your schedule

1195
01:44:26,119 --> 01:44:35,560
well I think that I think it ought to be
mandatory that somebody from this

1196
01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:39,440
committee go to Every Precinct
caucus unless there's something some

1197
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:44,760
reason why why we
can't conflicts I would agree with that

1198
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:49,719
yeah I do too yeah and I would even
suggest that there' be two people are

1199
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,719
they to at

1200
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:58,960
Le I'm going to be out of town for my
own pre caucus yeah so well there other

1201
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:05,639
ones to go you to dial in at
least I will I will be there by Zoom

1202
01:45:03,239 --> 01:45:10,840
yeah and try to answer questions but you
know I'm going to say when I send my

1203
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:16,400
message or wrestling these are three
opportunities for nine people from

1204
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:22,560
Precinct 15 to listen to the
presentation please take the opportunity

1205
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:29,080
to listen and if you can't be there in
person you can't watch it live act TV is

1206
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:33,880
always recorded watch it at your leer
please not to put you on the spot but do

1207
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:37,000
the league have any desire or has there
been any talk about putting together a u

1208
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:42,159
informational
night no not that I know of okay at this

1209
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:44,719
point yeah I'm not sure but I didn't
know if you add something into it yeah

1210
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:48,560
this is really since it's for town
meeting members not for the voters I I

1211
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:53,679
could understand that yeah that makes
sense well we could probably but I I

1212
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:58,360
didn't know you had
on here all the time I don't know if you

1213
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:58,360
had built a um

1214
01:45:59,480 --> 01:46:06,400
soing
okay but thanks interesting was that

1215
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:11,760
thanks for asking yeah it wouldn't it
wouldn't be a anything related to a

1216
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:16,320
position you know yes no in any way a
support just informational it would be

1217
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:22,679
informational yeah no no that's fair I
would not it

1218
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:30,080
is similar to what you're talking about
um that's us doing at the caucuses right

1219
01:46:27,159 --> 01:46:36,080
so you were talking about September 26th
was it the prec 151 to do a

1220
01:46:33,599 --> 01:46:42,040
charter that's what we talked about last
week but we didn't know what the

1221
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:46,480
schedule was right so if if that just
understand if that is something that

1222
01:46:43,599 --> 01:46:52,480
they want I can make myself available on
the 26 at some point shortly before town

1223
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:58,040
meeting uh my wife will divorce me but
none

1224
01:46:54,080 --> 01:47:02,560
L September 26 6:00 I mean I can I could
help in the uh recck room

1225
01:47:01,490 --> 01:47:08,480
[Music]
yeah and then I can't

1226
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:16,440
do so unless something changes because
I'm not the chair anymore um that's the

1227
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:21,480
schedule for to hear the charter
question okay

1228
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:26,560
because who your chair wrestling what's
that who your chair wrestling yeah

1229
01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:31,679
yeah uh because our our town meeting
caucus the one we have right before town

1230
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:35,480
meeting is on the six October
16th and we would hear all the other AR

1231
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:40,119
at that
time that's that's the Wednesday I'm

1232
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:44,239
going to do the 17 that's the W before
Town

1233
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:49,480
yeah all right and it's
typically I haven't seen the schedule

1234
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:53,800
but it's typically four or five um ping
that double up so that might help to

1235
01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:58,760
schedule a little bit
when there are also several precincts

1236
01:47:56,639 --> 01:48:04,840
that tend to choose to meet on the same
night that's true too and do not double

1237
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:09,800
up but rather require you to either
either either be in two places at once

1238
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:13,040
or risk one of the biggest speeding
tickets that the town of Plymouth has

1239
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:16,280
ever seen attempting to get from one
place to

1240
01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:22,239
another I heard
Lee planning say that he suggested that

1241
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:25,360
and it would be next is to have two
nights

1242
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:28,080
where people came in and presented to
half of the precincts one night the

1243
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:32,239
other half another night like at the
high school and then the the each car

1244
01:48:30,679 --> 01:48:37,119
each Precinct could go off in their own
room and have their conversations after

1245
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:43,239
they hear the presentations just for
that reason because you know for Town

1246
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:48,599
employees it's just it's it's it's a
it's death you know it's a March you

1247
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:53,360
know it's a bridge over r with Qui you
know but

1248
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:57,760
sool hey this is Michelle
I am on the town's calendar right now

1249
01:48:55,480 --> 01:49:01,560
and there are some Precinct I can give
you some dates right now for some of the

1250
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:10,239
meetings that are
scheduled so I am seeing Precinct

1251
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:17,119
Three for September
5th they're at 5:30 at the school

1252
01:49:13,719 --> 01:49:24,000
administration building so 11 Lincoln
Street seeing Precinct 12 on September

1253
01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:29,480
12th
700

1254
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:29,480
p.m. at the cederville fire

1255
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:33,880
station let me hold

1256
01:49:34,119 --> 01:49:39,080
on
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1257
01:49:36,679 --> 01:49:47,159
and Precinct
13 is October

1258
01:49:42,239 --> 01:49:47,159
8th 6:30 p.m. at the

1259
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:58,520
airport Precinct 16
has two meetings

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scheduled October
88th 700

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p.m. at the Plymouth Middle School must
be

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pcis also Precinct 16 is October 15 oh
that's the date of is that the day of

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01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:24,880
the meeting no October 15 7 PM wait a
minute when Town when's meeting

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01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:31,560
okay so they have two meetings the
precinct 16 the second meeting is

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October 15 700 p.m. at Plymouth Mid
South Middle

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01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:42,360
School Precinct
11 October

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01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:48,560
16 6:30 p.m. at the
airport so that is the schedule so

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far if you need me to repeat anything
let me know oh thanks we had 13 and 11

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01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:59,079
don't meet on the same night but anyway
I'm sure they

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01:50:55,360 --> 01:51:04,520
have used to always meet together yeah I
think I remember being out there

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01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:09,199
for I had to go from one they were in
two different places obviously meaning

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01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:13,560
I'll ask Mr tarus if you can keep me up
to date on that as well I'll try to keep

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01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:21,199
it keep everyone ARS updated as the best
I can yeah some people

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01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:26,040
may uh some precincts may decide to do a
separate meeting which is what we did

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01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:29,920
did MH uh just to hear the charter
Others May

1276
01:51:27,239 --> 01:51:33,280
just wump it all
together looking at the draft there's

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01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:39,800
quite a bit on there for the Falls isn't
there it is it's a it's pretty packed

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01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:44,760
reasonably packed um
although again some of it is more

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01:51:42,119 --> 01:51:52,320
housekeeping but
yes Ellie yes um so we're going to have

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01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:56,960
this latest draft whatever that number
is today's date or something right oh

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01:51:54,719 --> 01:52:02,320
this
24826 it's good Martha it's probably

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01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:05,880
going to just say this is we're gonna
Michelle and I are going to figure out

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01:52:03,719 --> 01:52:09,760
editing this what the changes we made
tonight and then it's going to be the

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01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:13,639
one that's going to be distributed to
everybody so theion there would be no

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01:52:11,639 --> 01:52:18,360
version on it it is they say the
proposed Charter for p meeting 2024

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01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:22,960
whatever we'll come up with the right
language we'll probably for our own

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01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:28,679
purposes call it final
right that be explained to me earlier by

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01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:32,960
11:00 tomorrow yeah and I will figure it
out we got to get it we got to get it so

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01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:37,400
they can get get it to everybody because
there's been some confusion about what

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01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:44,040
the version is they should be looking at
do we do we need a mo do we need a

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01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:51,880
motion Len um if we find any more typos
any minor Corrections that can be made

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01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:56,320
without I think we leave I think the ver
the language of the last article covers

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01:52:54,520 --> 01:53:01,360
that and so I think we should just leave
it alone and let it be taken care of

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01:52:58,199 --> 01:53:05,639
when no no no I I think ultimately what
Michelle is saying if as you're going

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01:53:03,079 --> 01:53:09,159
through if you catch any moreor
typographical errors I think the

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01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:14,239
committee has already voted that we
don't consider typographical errors to

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01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:21,000
be something that the committee needs to
address leave it up to

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01:53:17,639 --> 01:53:27,400
you go we another Capital TM for town
meeting we voted to do that we should

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01:53:23,719 --> 01:53:35,040
just allow every time you look at this I
understand C for now until eternity you

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01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:44,719
will find like typle I
know alen i'me um well two things one is

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01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:50,800
so then the a version will be online
final version in a couple days no

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tomorrow okay and when what about hard
copies

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01:53:53,560 --> 01:54:03,800
as far as the book no as far as if
people want to come to town meeting to

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01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:07,920
town hall and get a hard copy is what I
remember the Commissioners did the

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01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:13,440
commissioner I think they had to get a
budget item to print though I'm not

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01:54:10,239 --> 01:54:18,760
talking about that so just mean 162
copies of it for the town meeting

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01:54:16,440 --> 01:54:23,760
member town meeting members are going to
get hard copies so will there be copies

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01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:27,719
here for anybody because people have
already saying to me I I'd like to get a

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01:54:26,079 --> 01:54:31,719
hard copy when it's one going to be
available so what's the pro what should

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01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:36,360
I say I'll have to add well maybe
Michelle we don't have a budget for that

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01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:42,880
no we don't no we don't and there won't
be any copies here um we can talk to the

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town manager to
see if we can print you know 10

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01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:55,320
copies
um but there's not going to be you know

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01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:58,719
50 copies 100 50 copies sitting
here maybe between Michelle and I will

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01:54:57,480 --> 01:55:03,400
talk to the town manager or the
assistant Town manager and see if we can

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01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:08,040
get a certain number of copies for this
building and for the library but I don't

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01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:12,719
know if we can do many without a budget
actually I'm I'm rethinking in

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perspective so the town meeting members
are the ones that vote on it they're all

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01:55:14,079 --> 01:55:22,840
going to have a hard they're all yes
they will be other um interested

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01:55:19,079 --> 01:55:26,920
citizens so how many would that be 20 or
we don't know so I I know we don't but

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01:55:25,159 --> 01:55:29,840
I'm I'm guessing that it's we're not
talking big numbers I think it's a

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01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:35,320
courtesy we should have a small number
of I read the library in here like maybe

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20 at each place or I'll ask the if we
get 20 at each Place see how then um

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we'll certainly make a flyer or a notice
that certainly going to be on the not to

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01:55:44,079 --> 01:55:52,000
put it on them to go get it themselves
off the website but it will be there

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01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:57,360
printed there was talk there was there
was there was talk on the committee at

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one time that you wanted town meeting
members also to receive a copy of the

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current
Charter and I spoke to Janette white

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01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:15,679
advisory in finance yesterday about that
and I told her I would you know ask you

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01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:19,520
folks do you want that being out there
with the

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01:56:17,239 --> 01:56:24,239
charter that might have been early on
Michelle but I think we abandoned that

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01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:28,360
pretty quickly when now we had that
working group where we

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01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:32,360
reorganized uh because that's a little
easier to go side by side with our

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01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:37,119
changes and our admissions I would say
at this point do not um do not worry

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01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:42,280
about sending out the existing chat
gotcha thank you except for a reference

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01:56:40,679 --> 01:56:47,280
that it's on the town website you can
make a reference that it's on there but

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I think unless I'm mistaken I thought
you know quarter of the way into our

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01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:55,560
process we did a work group and we
arrang this things easier to read and

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01:56:53,159 --> 01:57:01,599
follow that was that was the point of
having of keeping the original numbers

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01:56:58,280 --> 01:57:06,159
so that everybody knows what they are
looking at if they need to compare it to

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01:57:04,119 --> 01:57:11,119
something they can but more to the point
that they understand that all of the

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01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:16,280
numbers are there so they know I thought
we thought we determin it would be a

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01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:21,520
nightmare to try to put two side by side
yeah I was proposing that we had we had

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01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:25,880
the the charter we did and the charter
existed had some kind of intermediate

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01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:30,760
document and we abandon that when Kate
said to us we're better off putting all

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01:57:28,159 --> 01:57:36,560
the language in the charter we want to
go before Town committee s town meeting

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01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:40,760
because if they decide not to take out
let's say the section about the P the

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01:57:38,719 --> 01:57:44,239
Department of Public Works it's
physically there all we have to do is

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01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:49,520
change it from Red Line strike out to
Black that way we don't have to go put

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01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:55,119
it back in it just starts to become and
so this document is what it would like

1351
01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:59,920
if you took out all the blue all the red
that's the document you know and it

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01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:05,880
would be simple to do that to go through
and just change everything

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01:58:02,119 --> 01:58:12,719
so no I'm with you
so um sorry so we have on the front page

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here which I think is great um and I am
I right in assuming that this page will

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01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:23,719
be what the Yeah it's like this we may
take that that page affects the charter

1356
01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:28,239
we may take that page and make that
front page a separate document because

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01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:32,560
right now it creates some craziness with
the document from page numbering

1358
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:37,880
standpoint the way word does page
numbering so we'll figure it out doesn't

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01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:43,239
according to this page one is the first
page I understand but it'll be fine

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01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:50,520
it'll be fine we'll figure it out so I
wondered if we would put David gold

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beside David golden and Robert zap's
name um

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01:58:54,320 --> 01:59:02,679
um
resigned or retired however you put it

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01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:07,320
that well he at a certain point because
when people like in you know even now

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01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:12,199
not to
mention in times down the road

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01:59:10,599 --> 01:59:16,840
historians looking at this they wonder
why there's so many names here it's more

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01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:23,639
than nine you could do that there should
be

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11 there are but but the thing is um
David golden and Rob Robert zeroi are

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01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:35,440
now re
resigned and former chair and former

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01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:40,159
clerk
um maybe we can put a

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notation yeah we can take we'll figure
something out yeah talk about

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that I think the name should appear
because I think both AG Quarters at

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01:59:46,719 --> 01:59:53,639
least three quarters of the way through
and both instrumental and what we have

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01:59:51,199 --> 02:00:00,079
in front of us today
um but you're right um you could put oh

1374
01:59:57,159 --> 02:00:04,079
you could just do that it's not X is not
the right word but previous chair and

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02:00:02,199 --> 02:00:09,360
previous clerk was yeah we can figure
something

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02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:13,560
out maybe just put the dates that they
from what date they participated

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02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:17,840
in
yeah or you could just leave it alone

1378
02:00:15,639 --> 02:00:22,480
unless they have any objection to what
no no one left on any objection so no

1379
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:26,960
yeah I'm guessing David gold
is a fan and Mrs zeri I think would oh I

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02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:30,480
would leave their names there I yeah I
think you got to leave their names but

1381
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:37,599
if somebody has an idea on in the next
12 hours what we should do we can do it

1382
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:44,280
yeah so uh just so the document's going
to be final tomorrow yeah final

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02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:47,880
edits and then you said hard copies for
town meeting members do we have nothing

1384
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:52,079
to do with that you have nothing to do
when the books go out that's oh okay so

1385
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:56,599
it's not going to it'll be in the book
obviously but it's not going to be a

1386
02:00:53,520 --> 02:01:00,440
separate document not that I'm aware of
Michelle is that they will be they

1387
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:06,360
they'll have two mailings they'll have
an email with the documents

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02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:11,480
electronically they will get hard copies
also and they'll get the book yes

1389
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:19,840
they'll get a hard copy of the charter
yes a Redline copy will be as as part of

1390
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:22,679
the book as uh I I don't sometimes it's
not part of the book sometimes that's an

1391
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:28,960
attachment
I'm not sure how how it's being copied

1392
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:36,480
but there will be a hard copy presented
to every town meeting member with a

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02:01:31,320 --> 02:01:43,880
mailed packet to them okay okay so Mich
this is a detail I guess because the

1394
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:48,679
the finance committee report comes out
two weeks before town

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02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:55,000
meeting that would be the middle of the
first week of October

1396
02:01:52,239 --> 02:02:01,719
uh my pre Precinct 15 is going to be
meeting the week before that mm so and

1397
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:05,760
they're going to probably want at least
a

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02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:11,480
week to look at it before we have a
Precinct caucus yeah we've been

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02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:17,679
instructed by ANF to get them the
document by 11: a. tomorrow is our

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02:02:15,159 --> 02:02:22,880
deadline
okay all right

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02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:26,920
and put you up anybody that's having an
early caucus is probably going to have

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02:02:24,440 --> 02:02:32,719
to download it yeah they have to get it
off the website unless unless to get a

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02:02:30,599 --> 02:02:37,960
hard copy mail ahead of time when will
the town meeting members get it on the

1404
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:45,480
website I don't know I don't know the
mailing date but we have to have it to

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02:02:40,639 --> 02:02:51,840
them by tomorrow okay
yeah when will it be available online

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02:02:48,599 --> 02:02:55,920
tomorrow tomorrow oh tomorrow tomorrow
you guys gotta let me go home so I can

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02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:59,920
work on it all right I think uh there's
nothing further on the agenda is

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02:02:57,239 --> 02:03:05,119
everyone happy with new and old business
yeah Okay then if that's the case um is

1409
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:09,960
there a motion to
adjourn motion to

1410
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:15,440
adjourn second doesn't need to be
seconded all in favor thank you very

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02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:15,440
much