[0:23] yes okay ready to roll right I'm sorry
all right we'll move down now into the
[0:29] agenda on public comment is there anyone
on Zoom uh or in the room that has any
[0:34] public comment on anything we're going
to speak to tonight or anything
[0:39] regarding anything with the
[0:42] charter seeing none we'll move right
into the discussion
[0:46] items
um there's
[0:50] two bullet points that we' like to speak
on tonight uh the first one is a review
[0:56] of the bylaws and Charter
quantification uh since our last meeting
[1:00] and I believe it was one day last week
was it last
[1:04] Thursday 21st 21st of August we we got a
call from uh the Town Clerk and the Town
[1:12] Council to uh
meet uh briefly to go over some uh
[1:16] questions they had on our
document unannounced to me and maybe
[1:21] others knew this I didn't know this but
they had sent um a document out to a I
[1:26] guess they Callin Steve knows better
coding type company where they
[1:30] uh
compare uh the document that we put
[1:34] forth and the documents that we have on
file here in town with what the state
[1:38] has and make sure there's no
discrepancies and in the um exercise of
[1:43] uh running through the chatter there
were um just a couple of questions but
[1:49] there were enough that they wanted to
bring us in there were more questions as
[1:51] it pertained to bylaws but that was
outside of our
[1:55] scope uh so we met we met probably for
the best part of an hour uh most of the
[2:00] um most of the
um discrepancies were
[2:05] typographical maybe a word change a sh
versus a May something along those
[2:12] lines um I think Steve corrected that um
I don't know how we want deep we want to
[2:18] go on that but you know I think in all
fness tell the whole committee oh you
[2:23] have we have them so the the committee
has them yeah but I think what prompted
[2:28] us to go there I think the whole
committee should know was it was at
[2:33] least P to me that that meeting that for
whatever reason unfortunately for the
[2:40] most part of our work and maybe for last
couple of years a document that was on
[2:45] the town website as aada was not
actually the one that was presently on
[2:52] record at the state is that correct well
not yeah it we don't know and Kelly may
[2:58] say that when she comes here she doesn't
know where they got the charter they
[3:01] used to do the
comparison because the charter that's
[3:06] the original the charter if if we took
the charter off of the website at the
[3:10] beginning of this process it is without
looking at it in every fine detail it is
[3:16] a match to what's on the articles of uh
articles of um 2020 when the last
[3:24] Charter was approved by the
legislature so it is pretty much in in a
[3:29] match the things that we're dealing with
here is
[3:34] um is the fact that there is a
definition and a use difference there is
[3:41] uh we need to recap we miss something to
be capitalized in a certain paragraph
[3:47] and then there was the U fact that again
a definition correct me if I'm wrong to
[3:53] there was multi versus multiple so
that's the last item that we we have to
[3:58] do and then the very last one which I
haven't done because it's it's again I
[4:03] think it's a typographical is there's a
definition of bylaws how it's spelled
[4:09] and we use it in two different ways
within the charter by hyphen law laws or
[4:15] bylaw with no hyphen and the definition
if I'm correct Steve is by with no
[4:21] hyphen right that was how we had right
so we need to fix that and to me that's
[4:26] a grammatical issue uh the issue of the
mismatch between what they were using
[4:30] the Cod to do the codification review on
is a separate issue in my opinion away
[4:36] from what we're doing that Kelly needs
to understand where they got their
[4:40] version of the charter to do that
because I was given a change document by
[4:46] them through Kelly and I looked at it
not in every little you know in
[4:52] int but it looks like what is on the
website matches the state
[5:00] is it related how is it related to what
we've got here as our current you're
[5:03] talking about our current Charter it's
all this codification thing Marthur
[5:08] remember when Kelly came in the
beginning she talked about there was
[5:11] this effort to have this company look at
the bylaws look at the charter and then
[5:16] create this searchable document so my
question is um when you're talking about
[5:22] a charter you're talking about the
current Charter this one right and the
[5:26] question am I right is is is this the
same as what's on our town
[5:33] website yes yes we started from what was
on our town website but the state was
[5:38] using a current Charter that we don't
know where it's from no no the state and
[5:42] our our Charter that's on our website
from my from my review appears to be in
[5:48] a match there was this Charter that was
used by this company and it's not clear
[5:54] where they got it from because they came
back with all these like for example
[5:59] they said
it says town of Plymouth comma Mass on
[6:03] their version it didn't have
Massachusetts on our version it did and
[6:07] on the version that's on the website
that's just an example it did so that's
[6:11] for Kelly to deal with to figure out
what they use for the
[6:15] comparison Michelle just said that Kelly
may drop in very early in the meeting
[6:19] and she might be able to add some light
I was just worried that um there was
[6:23] more to it as it turns out there really
wasn't any thing but as a Committee
[6:28] Member you should know that that
[6:34] you've been talking
[6:37] about just now arrived thank you for
joining us we're actually talking about
[6:41] the coding
issue so so I have great news for you
[6:45] guys well you want to add your question
first before she has great news you want
[6:48] to
wait well it's not a question it's a
[6:53] comment based on what you just said
about spelling errors or whatever
[6:59] scriveners errors whatever they're
called and this issue with did they have
[7:04] the right shter did they have the wrong
shter you did you had the right shter
[7:08] well that's good okay okay I can't
imagine you spend an hour talking about
[7:12] all that well we talked there was a lot
of other things oh there's other things
[7:19] well I don't know if there was other
things you don't think think that
[7:22] deserve to be spoken about and make sure
we ironed it out you don't think that we
[7:25] should have spoken about that and got it
ironed out make sure we had the right
[7:28] one no just no kneejerk reaction that we
spoke about it because we now know that
[7:35] we have the right document at that point
that's important at that point we did
[7:40] not know that the documents matched and
so our discussion included questions
[7:45] about what would happen or what we would
need to do in the event that they did
[7:50] not
match so we were planning for a further
[7:54] meeting in and details in the event that
was necessary it has turned out
[7:59] fortunately that it is not
necessary yeah I'm still trying to find
[8:04] out how the vendor had the incorrect
chter because everything that I say
[8:08] looked at over the last since I've
emailed you shows that they I don't know
[8:13] where they got it because I wouldn't
have emailed them the version that they
[8:17] suppose that they had
and yeah so pric is somewhat averted but
[8:24] we it was good to me um part of the
other reason why we met um during that
[8:29] time too is there were 10 comments that
the vendor had one was the fact that
[8:34] there's only a certain way you can um
make amendments to the chter which we
[8:39] were aware of two that there might be
some slight warding changes which we
[8:43] figured out what that was um another one
was the chart the definitions for
[8:50] precincts um originally it just said
precincts the definition is the area
[8:55] Town divided by groups and I'm not sure
I'm paraphrasing here cuz I'm not sure
[9:00] the exact language and they recommended
that we had for voting purposes and you
[9:05] guys had already done that so that was
perfect um they made some
[9:10] recommendations there's two parts of the
charter that says you need either 100
[9:14] signatures to get uh um an article
placed on the warrant if it's a special
[9:21] town meeting and 10 if it's an annual
town meeting like if a citizen's
[9:25] petition like you need 10 or 100
depending on what the meeting is and
[9:29] they wanted to add more language that
refer to the to the law the Mass General
[9:34] law that says or 20% whichever is lower
and we're thinking
[9:41] 220% of the voters here in Plymouth will
never
[9:45] be 200 100 or 10 so we decided to leave
that language out so this was the type
[9:52] of work that this vendor is doing for us
um there was precincts there was um oh
[9:57] one thing about select board
um sometimes it said Selectmen in the in
[10:02] the charter and they recommended that
you make it more gender neutral for
[10:06] select board which you guys had already
done so many so many of the things that
[10:11] and that's what I also reviewed with
them during that time so we I wanted to
[10:15] make sure that everybody was on the same
page there was something about
[10:18] multi-member body versus multi-member
boarding committee thing and um we I
[10:25] think you guys made that change based on
grammar
[10:30] um and then the LA I think the last
thing was something about established
[10:33] policies and it should be
established uh process not established
[10:39] process so those were the 10 things that
they came up the vendor also look just
[10:44] as a side note the vendor also looked at
the bylaws and we have 170 of those that
[10:49] we need to review there I've got a group
of people reviewing those with me to
[10:53] make the decision so the really good
news is except for those one or two
[10:57] things that I mentioned um that they
questioned or or had a recommendation on
[11:02] changing you guys based on everything
that Michelle and I were able to do
[11:06] today you guys did work with the
original documents so your Redline
[11:10] document as soon as you have it up to
date I highly recommend that you get it
[11:14] on the website because people have been
asking for
[11:19] it sounds good I just have one quick
follow question from on meeting you had
[11:24] um emailed the coding company for
anything additional you sent the email
[11:29] out to us copy I got didn't have any
additional red lines is that because
[11:33] everything else passed with flying
colors but is there anything the
[11:37] document that I sent out was Redline
that showed what the difference is
[11:41] between what they what the chart
whatever version Charter they were
[11:44] looking at and the one that was on the
State website so it wasn't really a red
[11:49] line it was just showing differences the
differences it's not an edit it's just a
[11:53] comparison although maybe I misread it
it said the following document or the
[11:57] attached document yeah
any any any other problems of red line
[12:01] and I didn't see any red lines right so
I assumed it you know it's funny that
[12:05] you say that Alan because mine came out
as red line but Michelle's came out blue
[12:10] and red like hers came out blue so like
I had to literally go and look at
[12:15] Michelle's computer to make sure that we
were looking at it the same way mine was
[12:19] the same as mine was just black you know
traditional writing writing there was no
[12:23] really no red L but you got it right Len
well let's see because I got it right
[12:28] here
I was happy but I don't want to really
[12:32] mess around hopefully it
passed let me do something here before I
[12:37] get into let me share
[12:48] [Music]
my um Just sh the whole D
[12:54] screen so this is the document that you
sent in that email right
[12:59] so anything that was in blue is what the
differences were yeah I did perceive
[13:04] this as a as a red line this was just
showing you the differences in the
[13:10] comparison so with it's all I'm I'm the
same as Alan's I saw neither comments
[13:15] nor the comparison okay that's really
weird so it might have been the way you
[13:20] opened up the document if you want if
you didn't look it up under review well
[13:24] you have to look at it depends on what
platform you on on the Mac you have to
[13:27] go in and underview return on tracking
and that'll show what's here on the
[13:32] right hand side but when I looked at
this and I looked at the state and I
[13:36] looked at the the version off of the
website it became clear for me without
[13:42] talking to Kelly that the document they
used came from somewhere yeah I have no
[13:46] idea where from you know no idea but the
good the good news bad news is that was
[13:51] just the chart portion the bylaws is
what they were using so um and that and
[13:57] that was the one that was most important
for at least in my for this project for
[14:01] me was the bylaws because we have some
conflicts with the bylaws and I'm just
[14:05] trying to get them codified so they look
very neat in
[14:11] particular okay are we good Kelly Kelly
it's Michelle we also had the one
[14:18] comment on the school committee to
change from um to the State Board of
[14:23] Elementary and secondary education I'm
going to show those uh Michelle I'm
[14:28] going to show the right now okay the
chter right now says State Board of
[14:33] Education and currently Massachusetts
doesn't have a state board of education
[14:37] we have a state board of Elementary and
secondary
[14:42] education so it's just again mostly
grammar which is why as a practice we
[14:48] took out all references to state laws
because state laws bodies change
[14:53] regularly and we don't want our Charter
to be out of date every time the state
[14:58] decides it one wants to move something
from one section to
[15:03] another okay any sounds good so I think
we're good with that issue thank you for
[15:09] your cooperation I I did a little bit of
a panic at first too but it was good to
[15:13] bring people in and talk and understand
exactly what was happening so that was
[15:17] great and Michelle thanks for your help
today welcome all right thank you very
[15:22] much you're welcome some more
[15:27] ballots all right well that um is there
any further questions or did the town
[15:32] clerk clear everything up for anyone
that's just hearing about that M go
[15:36] right ahead can I just introduce Kate
Brown who is sitting behind me and she
[15:40] is filling in for lle Lawrence who is
usually here observing the on the Char
[15:47] oh very very nice to meet you nice to
meet you I've attended one of your
[15:50] meetings previous to this time so and
I'm sorry Pate that I didn't let you
[15:55] know about the changeing room oh that's
all right you weren't waiting room
[16:00] paying attention to the select board
meeting it's like really yes well
[16:05] attended so the the follow up on what
Kelly just said if you look here if you
[16:10] can see it I can try to make it a little
bit
[16:13] larger a lot logger please Lyn
[16:18] okay so you see what says State Board of
Education what Kelly's comment was is
[16:24] you know that changes like the wind it's
now the State Board of what elementary
[16:28] and Elementary uh not even it's the
department of Elementary and secondary
[16:33] secondary it's not yeah so on Steve
suggestion when Steve's suggestion is we
[16:39] got rid of that and put a a kind of a
general term called Commonwealth so that
[16:44] way if tomorrow they change it then we
don't have to change it and then the
[16:48] next day if they change it we don't have
to change it so that's what we did there
[16:52] so our you looking at
24826 uh-huh and what page is that
[17:00] okay I'm going to go down if you look at
the stuff that we got from the in our
[17:04] packet there's a list of those changes
on this little change form I did it that
[17:08] way to make it easier to uh to find
[17:20] it so are we using that phrase oh right
down here and in B uh yes in oh actually
[17:28] in yes in B that's correct Mar so you
should actually have a strikeout Len you
[17:33] have the red but you don't have the
strikeout all right I'll fix that I
[17:36] won't do it here but I'll do
[17:42] it so that's the only place well no
that's the first
[17:53] um Comm wealth remains right the we
don't have to refer to
[17:59] Board of Education or Department it do
exist Elementary and no because the
[18:03] problem is if you do it if you did the
new one and then tomorrow they change it
[18:07] and then the the charter is out of out
of out of compliance with what it's
[18:11] called so this way it allows the come to
do whatever the heck they want and we
[18:15] just will support whatever the commw
says and that's basically I think that
[18:20] solves that
problem this is one of those cases where
[18:23] you get too specific and just it's a
never ending battle to keep it up today
[18:30] so the next one is on page
[18:38] 14 are you guys going to take votes on
each or wrap one vote on at the end I
[18:44] think we'll do one at the end I I think
we can do all at one time the uh the
[18:49] page of uh requested uh correction we'll
do it we'll do as a as a whole is that
[18:53] all right with the
committee I think that's fine thank
[18:58] thank you
thank
[19:01] you I don't know what this thing is
possessed so you've already made this
[19:05] correction um so here in 241 it should
be in blue I made it blue I don't know
[19:11] why it's not in blue but that's another
story but this right here if we go look
[19:15] at what was here town meeting was not
capitalized so that's the second point
[19:20] on page 14
okay okay all the way to page 36 so if
[19:26] we go all the way to page
[19:34] 36 if we went back to the definitions
and I'm not going to drag this all the
[19:38] way back there you see that the
definition is multiple not
[19:45] multi hang
[19:49] on this is the easiest way to do
[19:53] it
[19:57] okay so
[20:01] in
[20:06] 622 I'm blind when I can't
[20:12] do I went too
far I say page 36 yeah sorry my
[20:24] bad
sorry it it's a page break different
[20:29] that that thing we put on the front of
it is just been causing us habit with
[20:32] pay but we'll fix it so you see there
multi in this case is taken out and the
[20:39] board commissioning committee was taken
out so that it's generic so it would be
[20:44] multiple member
B and the reason and the reason that we
[20:49] did that if you look at my try to make
it easy in our existing our definitions
[20:54] and this is an existing definition in
our existing current Charter
[20:59] we Define multiple member body as any
board commission committee subcommittee
[21:05] Etc consisting of multiple persons I
remember noticing that and thought well
[21:09] guess I'm not gonna follow up on that
little detail but here it came up here
[21:13] it came up so we decided Well we might
as well be consistent with our own
[21:19] definitions
well ahead Mr H multiple member on page
[21:26] four is
[21:34] they're not supposed to do
that I'm just kidding but on page 36
[21:40] it's not well we can fix that let's not
what we hph it or not don't I don't
[21:47] think it needs a hyphen I wouldn't do so
then we would take hyphen out of the
[21:51] definitions yeah well that
one and here it's twice in that same
[21:58] definition right I I agree with taking
it
[22:02] out I
[22:11] know defin
[22:15] AG H4 thank you Larry and
Robin
[22:23] huh Larry and Rob are NE here so what we
did here just to finish up that
[22:29] conversation on 622 we had put in some
new language and I just took the
[22:34] language and I didn't strike it and add
it I just basically updated it to match
[22:40] what we had decided which is multiple
member body without a
[22:46] hyphen
[22:52] okay and then the last thing we were
told when we met with um Kelly and Kate
[22:59] and syia was under
definitions there's the term
[23:04] bylaw which is back on page four by uh
definition
[23:10] a and if you search if I could do it now
for if you wanted me to but you have to
[23:15] believe me that you'll see that it's
spelled in two different ways bylaw with
[23:19] a hyphen and bylaw without a
hyphen so the question is what do we
[23:25] want it to be and I will we'll fix it so
that consistent throughout the
[23:30] document well since we took it out of H
is there any reason we need it in the
[23:36] word bylaw no okay I have no person I
recommend we take it out we merely kept
[23:41] it that way because it's it's hyphenated
in our current
[23:45] Charter that's
so where in the current Charter
[23:51] consistent nothing in our current TR is
completely consistent oh but we we but
[23:57] we and we weren't consistent either we
weren no well because a lot of the times
[24:02] we left language that was in the
existing Charter and it didn't do it
[24:06] either but yeah well I don't know so
it's bylaw with no space or bylaws with
[24:13] no space because I think I saw somewhere
it said by hyphen laws so either case
[24:17] it's got to be no space no hyphen uh no
capitalization right I would do that so
[24:25] that's that is
the the the the things that came out of
[24:30] that meeting the reason we're here
tonight is to basically um approve those
[24:36] changes and U because we in
Wikipedia and what oxgen dictionary
[24:47] Ty Mike you can't be
Larry can't be what you can't be Larry
[24:51] well I'm not listening to Wikipedia I am
more concerned about what the OED or uh
[24:57] or Miriam ERS does say so if you're
telling me the Oxford English Dictionary
[25:03] hyphenates
it they hyphenated I'm fine with taking
[25:08] hph out I just was curious sorry didn't
want to confus what does it say it's
[25:14] hyphenated in the two examples U both
the English and the British using it as
[25:18] a noun they when they use it in a
sentence it's hyphenated all the time
[25:21] and when you look up just byow with that
a hyphen what do you get it's got a DOT
[25:25] which I think that's just syllables
doesn't have I can't see that yeah no he
[25:31] no I understand it's not but uh it's a
DOT and I don't want to I don't want to
[25:35] confuse the argument but say it a dot
but when they use it in the sentence
[25:39] it's used um hyphen yeah but that's same
well yeah I'll take back my motion I
[25:47] don't mind sticking with the The Hyphen
we can leave The Hyphen I think for
[25:51] bylaw given that
it it's both in our existing starter and
[25:59] there is grammatical support to leave it
that way right whereas multiple member
[26:06] body that's not a common phrase that
would require that that it has a
[26:12] standardization of a hen
anyway so we're going to say that we're
[26:17] going to have it say by hyen law or by
hyphen laws on all occurrences yes okay
[26:29] so with that I make a motion that the
committee accepts the changes as just
[26:34] discussed to import with the comments
made by the code
[26:42] committee referred that the town
referred the charter
[26:48] to not the seconds it any further
discussion I don't take a vote at this
[26:54] time you want to read the roll call
Steve yes
[26:58] Allen yes Michael
y myself yes and Marthur yes okay so one
[27:06] two three four five I was laughing
because on page 4 under D it says unless
[27:12] otherwise provided by law and I started
to put a hyphen
[27:18] in hey guys just to let you know roll
call is not needed everyone is is live
[27:22] no one no members are
online good point thank you Michelle
[27:28] forgot about that all right so that
takes care of the first um line item on
[27:33] the agenda we're set with the code um
enforcement and now we're going to go
[27:38] and talk
about um the actual articles that we
[27:44] um the language of of the prop time
meeting articles and
[27:50] presentation I I do have a concern um
before we talk about the Articles
[27:56] because um I thought that we had to vote
on be before our com committee has to
[28:06] vote
on I thought it was our proposed
[28:12] Charter before
we submit articles for the
[28:19] warrant well that's not that's not I
that cross my mind as well that's not
[28:23] entirely the case we can submit we voted
on everything that every substantive
[28:28] thing that we have on the document I
turned in we voted on so the doc when
[28:33] you're saying document are you talking
about um the one that was the most
[28:38] recent which
was uh 24 M I think mine was
[28:44] dated um it would have would had a week
BS date on it but up until as long as
[28:51] the and it was explained to us by the
assistant Town manager as long as
[28:55] everything's still in a draft motion
which it is until I believe tomorrow
[28:59] until
fincom okay that um if if um if there's
[29:06] any question um we can change things and
or vote on it if there's any question
[29:12] now you have a concern on it so we can
do that this evening we can vote on the
[29:16] language of the uh articles but we
they're in compliance with the town
[29:20] right now as it say instead Mr Bolton
right ahead just to add I I
[29:26] Know M question about voting on the
charter is is that what people are
[29:33] saying that we didn't vote on and we
should vote on no they're saying because
[29:37] Town policy is no it's the Articles
what's that part no it's the Articles
[29:41] it's not and so we're talking about
these correct because we actually aren't
[29:47] presenting a charter to town meeting
what we are doing is we are presenting
[29:53] our recommended changes to the Charter
so we don't actually present them with a
[29:59] charter like saying here's the charter
we're proposing vote Yes or No we're
[30:04] proposing individualized changes which
again is why it makes sense to which is
[30:10] why when they're presented to town
meeting it's not presented as just one
[30:13] thing here's the charter agree or
disagree it's here are changes that
[30:19] we've made so for example the language
that's showed up in the current draft
[30:25] warrant this that as you are looking at
was not something that we did at all
[30:30] that was something that the assistant
Town manager did so the processes that
[30:35] has been explain to us is that we make
recommendations to the assistant Town
[30:39] manager these by recommendations you
mean this we recommend the language for
[30:44] the Articles correct this though yes
we're not talking about no no we're not
[30:51] talking about the document anymore we're
now talking about the Articles we make
[30:55] recommendations for the language of the
Articles to the assistant Town manager
[30:59] the assistant Town manager drafts what
the assistant man Town manager believes
[31:03] to be appropriate and those are finally
determined by the advisory and finance
[31:09] committee so that was what we were
supposed to vote on there's no
[31:14] requirement that we there's no
requirement that we vote on anything
[31:17] what the requirement of the select board
is is that all articles the substance of
[31:23] the Articles be approved by the
committee not necessarily the language
[31:28] that goes forward in terms of describing
it but the substance of the Articles
[31:33] which in this case is the substance of
the proposed changes all of which this
[31:37] committee has voted we voted on every
line in that
[31:41] document so that is the
vote that those votes are
[31:48] considered to be the votes of the
committee on the in that I'm looking for
[31:53] I've got a note here someplace that says
what the um select regulation is I
[31:59] thought I had it
anyway sb10 or for
[32:06] I I guess I didn't bring it with me so
[32:13] um but that said so so our our votes are
separate all the votes that we took
[32:20] those are our votes those are our votes
the committee has voted yes now that
[32:24] said there's nothing wrong with saying
we are with if people are uncomfortable
[32:29] as one member who is not present here
tonight has said he wanted us as a
[32:34] committee to vote on the recommended
language that we are putting forth and
[32:40] again we can vote on the recommended
language and I have no objection to that
[32:43] the recomend different of the Articles
oh correct that said however we can
[32:50] recommend whatever we want and both the
assistant Town manager and the advisory
[32:55] and finance committee can change it
change it the way they like it so so we
[32:59] will be voting on our recommendations
but we're not voting on article language
[33:03] because we don't make that final
determination okay thank you Mr Dan so
[33:08] um maybe you can clarify something or
I'm confused because the warrant is the
[33:14] selectman's
warrant not the finance committee's
[33:19] warrant so wouldn't it be up to the
selectman to approve this language
[33:26] before it goes to the to this um finance
committee or the town meeting or
[33:34] anything because the advisory and
finance committee
[33:39] presents the Articles to town meeting
again we're now talking about the
[33:46] difference between the
article and the language describing the
[33:52] article so in this instance the article
the substance of of the article is is
[33:58] the recommended changes by this
committee to town meeting the select
[34:05] board will agree or disagree in terms of
presenting the whether those articles go
[34:11] forward to town meeting again assuming
of course that it's not a Citizens
[34:17] petition where they no longer have that
right under our Charter but in terms of
[34:24] the language describing that article to
town meeting all of the articles are
[34:30] presented to town meeting via the
advisory and finance committee so they
[34:36] actually have the final say in terms of
how they describe the
[34:41] article to down meeting town meeting
right so again their motion right it is
[34:49] their motion so they're the people get
up before town
[34:53] meeting they say to the chair hereby
moves that town meeting do this this
[34:58] this this and this that is their
description now they may accept or not
[35:03] accept our recommendation in terms of
description but it is their
[35:07] determination all right but that said
because Mr Hutchinson had concerns about
[35:14] that he said fine let's if we wish to
vote on the draft language our proposed
[35:20] language we can certainly do that well
that being said as an exercise do you m
[35:26] would you be comfortable if we went
through this
[35:28] uh first article and and and voted the
five of us vot you mean Article 19
[35:33] Charter this will be 19 right well again
I don't know how much made it on the N
[35:39] none of it so Marthur this is their
draft this is again this was simply and
[35:43] I'm I'm G to call this essentially
almost a
[35:46] placeholder I think this my husband got
from me member this is the yeah exactly
[35:52] and but it's still a draft the final
article has not come out they sent out a
[35:57] draft War warrant but that's what it is
it is still a draft warrant but M's
[36:00] right everybody's probably already seen
this but we have assigned to us Article
[36:03] 19 through 29 is that correct that is
correct all right so we can from now on
[36:09] call them that or we can go one through
11 how we have been in
[36:14] our I mean I'm not I I again I just
simply prepared it because when we
[36:19] drafted it it was I didn't know it or
not we didn't have our numbers ex right
[36:23] have no fault of yours I think it's I
just didn't want to confuse anyone do we
[36:26] want to change probably right these
numbers numbers yeah these numbers
[36:32] actually are not correct I I think to
simplify this I don't think we should be
[36:37] focusing on what was delivered I think
this was the document
[36:42] that uh this document is in our package
is this is this your words is this those
[36:48] are my well that's something else I so
that's that's what is coming out of the
[36:53] committee what happens to it after
coming out of the committee is really of
[36:57] our
control right well I'm just talking
[37:01] about this I understand that that's what
I'm saying is we should not be trying to
[37:05] vote on that because we didn't create
that somebody else created that we
[37:09] should vote and and I'm not recommending
that either answer okay I whether
[37:14] tribute were comfortable or not
comfortable can I see that Mar i' I've
[37:17] been comfortable with the explanation
both from the to assistant Town manager
[37:22] but for just Clarity sake I think this
is what came out of our committee right
[37:26] this is what we should say as a
committee we approve this to be
[37:30] forwarded to the appropriate person to
do the whatever they're going to do with
[37:34] it because we have no control of that
that's not our document we didn't create
[37:38] that if it's exactly what we this
document that came out of committee then
[37:44] that so be it but we don't have any
control over that the numbering of it
[37:47] the verbiage of it if they change one
little thing that's their prerogative we
[37:53] don't have so now do we want to talk
about this then correct yes all right
[37:57] I'm I'm this is the thing that basically
was in our packet it was yes it's in our
[38:02] packet tonight yes you sure put it in
our packet this evening right it looks
[38:07] like
this okay I think that's what we should
[38:12] fold make it's the same one you have
probably it is
[38:16] good all right so do we want to
concentrate and run through these make
[38:19] sure everybody's happy with um oh uh
first of all I I don't
[38:25] remember and so refreshed my mind for
that's why I was wondering if we would
[38:30] have the minutes did did we as a
committee ask a group of people or Steve
[38:38] to write this or how did this come to be
we needed to submit something so yeah
[38:44] know I I asked um so so our committee
never said oh we want to have something
[38:49] like this that's what I don't
remember we were down to the wire that
[38:54] we had to submit the articles I believe
Al and Steve came to the decision and
[39:00] Steve took it took on the responsibility
to write the language of the Articles so
[39:05] was this before you met we've had it
this was this was always intended to be
[39:10] a draft to be presented but yes it was
always intended to be discussed with the
[39:16] committee yeah yeah there's no problem
so it is a draft but prior to the
[39:20] closing of August 9th and I did what you
did you I pulled up the selectman
[39:25] procedures it called for brief
description uh a couple days before I I
[39:30] read that now we weren't having a
meeting but discussing it with Steve
[39:34] Steve volunteered to to put um an an an
explanation of each of the 11 articles
[39:40] which is what appears here I don't think
the assistant Town manager has added
[39:45] this attracted to this to know did he no
the assistant Town manager at this point
[39:49] has just put on so he's moved at that
okay he's just put this sort of very
[39:54] generic statement okay for each of these
just to say will you accept these the
[40:00] changes in this this and that's and
treating it like a placeholder with the
[40:05] expectation that we would Brian but he
explained to me and maybe Steve and Len
[40:09] were in the room as well
but as long as everything's still a
[40:12] draft which it is if we want to we can
go back and look at things so it was for
[40:16] the
meeting when the Articles who was at the
[40:21] meet or you why why why did you have a
meeting or was there was not a meeting
[40:26] when wait minut we're confusing sorry
I'm going to stop here we're confusing
[40:30] things the meeting we had with Sylvio
and uh Kate and and had nothing to do
[40:36] with the Artic that was the code that
was the code right had nothing to do
[40:38] with the Articles it just was a a side
conversation but he he had expressed
[40:42] during that time that we can still
submit further requested langu Sylvio
[40:49] yes submitting of the Articles was
simply I went in on a Friday prior to
[40:53] the deadline brought him a hard copy of
all the work we did in the chter this uh
[41:00] summary and breakdown of the individual
articles that was for
[41:05] Sylvio
submitted actually got this correct so
[41:11] he read this whether he read it or not
we don't know no I'm sure he did he
[41:17] certainly he certainly did not put it
into anything formal at this point and
[41:21] and to the committee and
Steve credit he did send me an email
[41:25] saying everything that we submitted to
him
[41:27] saved him a ton of work because it was
in it was in great order he had no
[41:31] problem with our with our uh submitt
okay so now so now our committee is
[41:37] going to look at it right yes we can
look at it now and if Steve knows I
[41:40] already made some suggestions that's we
can talk about and that's is it a time
[41:44] to do it because we have
time um but why don't we talk about your
[41:49] suggestion okay um well let's go or
however you want let's go one at a time
[41:53] just to make sure go through we get them
out of the way the the article what was
[41:57] marked as article one which would now
become Article 19 that's correct so do
[42:01] we need to change that he will change
that but we'll change that in the
[42:06] language but yes so my other question is
before we go one by one who's going to
[42:12] be reading this what is this for what's
Sy going to do with it this will be the
[42:16] final language of the submission to town
meeting and this will be it'll go in the
[42:21] packet well again this is our
recommendation to Sylvio Sylvio will
[42:25] then take our recommendation and do with
it again as he believes appropriate put
[42:30] it forth so that that goes to advisory
and finance committee which will then
[42:35] make its final right and which will then
make its final statement as to how this
[42:42] yes well that yes and it will make its
final statement as to how it wishes to
[42:47] describe the proposed changes to town
meeting okay and I think correct me if
[42:53] I'm wrong this would be on the colored
piece of paper in the book prior to
[42:56] every article where it says you know uh
this this finance committee is putting
[43:01] this motion forward this might be a
description of it may see it there
[43:06] depending if this language survives or
maybe finc Alters it but you probably
[43:10] see the best part of the body of this
work show up in the book okay okay thank
[43:15] you I broken up individually you won't
see it in this three four page backage
[43:19] you'll see it broken up 11 times my
guess would be but let's go through and
[43:23] make sure if there's any changes we get
to control them so if you have changes
[43:27] go right ahead are there any changes in
the new Article
[43:32] 19 um that's the one on
reordering yeah and that's the one um
[43:39] that I so the audience are town meeting
members correct okay and um and I I
[43:46] think we have to be clearer than this
about the fact that for instance I added
[43:54] as this as a fourth point here something
like this article 19 includes changing
[44:04] the order of legislative and executive
branches and replaces executive branch
[44:10] wording with
townwide elected board and office
[44:15] holders I think it is
now and takes moderator out of the
[44:22] legislature the um legislative
branch but isn't that isn't that in an
[44:29] article for that particular chapter it
is and also my concern is that's just
[44:34] that suggests that we're those are the
only changes we've made dozens of other
[44:40] changes we've moved Town manager out of
some but that's not in there should be
[44:45] part of well and we've eliminated the
references to departments and that's not
[44:50] going to be in there and we changed in
Article 19 in Article 19 in so
[44:57] you will one of the reasons that I
wanted to try and make this clearer and
[45:01] more concise is I did not want to repeat
what ended up happening the last time
[45:06] the charter commission committee came
forth and every article had every little
[45:11] detail in there uh I'm trusting that
again first of all this is just in re
[45:17] this is just reordering so this
literally said this is not telling
[45:21] people go look at every this is
everything that was reordered we created
[45:27] new categories we added new respons we
moved a lot of things around if you if
[45:33] you start listing them you've got to
list everything and it's too long to
[45:37] list everything well that is a very
significant
[45:42] change and and I think that one we two
is is important but it's in the it's in
[45:49] the article about that
chapter so what I think what Steve is
[45:54] trying is is is saying to you and that
what iar here is that if you just hear
[45:58] me for a second if you start putting
about what we
[46:02] reordered then that L that article will
essentially be
[46:09] um a duplication of the other articles
okay well we go on another no let me
[46:16] just finish let me finish this is just
talking about the fact that we did a
[46:20] reorder didn't say how we reordered it
said that we did reorder and I I agree
[46:26] with you we need to to make it clear
what we reordered but I think we do that
[46:30] on a chapter by chapter basis not in
this General article that talks about we
[46:36] did this major
reorder and I also think about when we
[46:41] go and we we present these to the
various committees a&f copc select
[46:47] board the discussion about that as part
of the presentation to get people to
[46:52] adopt it is talking about that I don't
think the article has to have this
[46:58] particular article has to have all
that's just my opinion of it I
[47:01] understand what you're saying I just
think it has already been covered in F
[47:05] those changes have been covered in
future articles okay let me ask you this
[47:09] mother what what is your fourth bullet
in its
[47:12] entirety actually this for Article 19
that you like to inter
[47:18] um that the
[47:25] um the uh word was changed from leg
legislative and executive were
[47:31] flip-flopped no the town moderator
section is in the legislative branch
[47:37] chapter of our current Charter not in
the chapter with select board well
[47:42] that's my argument right um so three sub
this is where I
[47:49] rewarded most recently three substantive
changes are noted in the table of cont
[47:56] as noted in the table of contents are
one renaming the currently renamed
[48:02] currently named Executive Branch the
townwide elected boards and office
[48:08] holders as well as two switching the
order of that newly
[48:14] named chapter would be legislative
branch and three moving the moderator
[48:21] section from the legislative branch
chapter to the townwide elected boards
[48:26] and offic holders
[48:30] chapter so that is what my
recommendation would be to add to
[48:35] Article 19 but I'm fully agreeable to
keep going through our um review here
[48:43] and maybe I'll see it as you do well
that's that's a very good idea if you're
[48:48] if you're comfortable with that we'll go
on and see if your uh concerns get
[48:52] addressed in the Articles where that
happens okay and I I do want to note
[48:56] that I I did agree with you in terms of
making sure that in each article that
[49:01] the chapter name appear and I and I
spoke to Sy conveyed that
[49:06] to and he had said that he he would do
that so we would make sure that that's
[49:11] the case because I think that will to
some degree also help clarify so when
[49:15] people see the name they will know the
name whether it's changed or not right
[49:20] because we changed the name of almost
every chapter
[49:25] actually and all right then with that we
we'll put a we'll put a pin in 19 uh
[49:30] article
20 um as it reads the summary there any
[49:37] any concerns or additions or emissions
for
[49:45] 20 none will um want to vote on them
individually you want to vote on it as
[49:51] what's your thoughts well I think since
since for for Martha she wanted to go
[49:55] through all of it first I would say we
should wait and go through all of them
[49:59] and then we can then decide if we want
to vote on them individually but I like
[50:03] all right no that's fine with me I think
go through them all first before we do
[50:07] any Ming it appears there's nothing that
we'll have to come back to off article
[50:11] 20 at least this stage all right article
21 uh to make changes to the reorder
[50:17] chapter two of this will be this should
start to get into what you
[50:21] hope chapter two of the Plymouth Town
chatter is recommended by the CH Review
[50:26] Committee the reor je groups together
all townwide elected bodies and
[50:32] offices in addition to grammatical
changes and removing references to
[50:36] representative town meeting members
which are instead moved to the chapter
[50:41] dedicated to the legislative branch of
town government the substantive
[50:45] recommended changes are as follows
select boy no substantive changes are
[50:50] recommended in this chapter planning
board changes are recommended to the
[50:54] planning board to authorize the
expansion of the role of the associate
[50:58] member in the absence of an elected
member and to provide for the regular
[51:02] updating and oversight of the community
master
[51:07] plan school committee same outle the
change is recommended to remove the
[51:13] requirement that the school committee be
responsible for the maintenance and
[51:17] management of school facilities and
wrapping up uh Town moderator no
[51:22] substantive changes are recommended in
this chapter
[51:27] um Mr
H so we just had a precin PO this last
[51:34] week there's a lot of conversation about
the school
[51:37] committee and uh an issue about
consolidation of
[51:43] services and uh
so this says the school committee is
[51:49] responsible for the mains and management
of school facilities is that by state
[51:54] law no it's not no no it's not it was
actually the
[51:59] one when you look at our Charter it
identifies four things that the school
[52:03] committee does current our current
Charter the first three are state law
[52:09] the fourth one about management of
facilities is not a state law
[52:13] requirement that's
good well that was also it wouldn't
[52:17] prevent
[52:20] consolidation okay got
[52:25] it any further questions on what is now
article
[52:31] 21 I'm thinking back from 19 do you see
anything in
[52:36] this um that you could maybe break up
your uh Corrections and and add
[52:41] something to this chat uh this article
or do you feel comfortable with article
[52:46] 21 oh wait have my numbers right
here you don't have to answer now I just
[52:53] was wondering if this might be some way
where you can um for for example put
[52:57] something in there for example if if
you're concerned if we say Town moderate
[53:00] we say no substantive changes are
recommended in this chapter uh however
[53:05] the town moderator has been moved from
the chapter with the legislative branch
[53:11] so that way it's clearly
identified it's addressed and you break
[53:15] it up a little bit that's
[53:19] all so
um is that the chapter
[53:27] in our current Charter
yes
[53:33] the moderator was with legislative right
so we say but the moderator but the
[53:39] moderator position that would be chapter
two
[53:42] right yeah which is
now has been changed from legislative
[53:49] has been moved I don't want to see it
change because that's change is
[53:53] different
moved um
[53:57] from from the
[54:01] chapter the
chapter see on I would would um delete
[54:08] the first
line know substance of Chang that's
[54:13] important because that is that is the
case we have not made any substantive
[54:18] changes to the definition of or or the
role of the moderator as defined in our
[54:23] Charter in our current Charter we have
not changed that
[54:26] and I agree with that so it's a it's a
an agreement of or a disagreement on
[54:33] what the word substantive means to the
person reading like to the town meeting
[54:41] member
um and to me that would be very
[54:46] confusing I would say why does it say no
substantive changes and then it tells
[54:50] about a
change so it's hard for for me to
[54:57] discriminate between what you consider
the substantive change and what I
[55:02] consider substantive in terms of you
know
[55:07] General right so my my sentence my using
the word
[55:13] substantive as I understand the word a
substantive change changes the substance
[55:20] the the that would be the The Authority
the responsibilities the obligations the
[55:27] substance of the position we didn't
change the substance of the position we
[55:32] merely located it in a different portion
of the
[55:37] charter right and um that can be
interpreted in various ways well and
[55:44] changing where items are in a charter in
the table contents and what they're
[55:51] associated
with can appear at the least
[55:56] to be change that is and I I'm not going
to use the word substantial but
[56:04] important it is different it is I it's
beyond my imagination why we would ever
[56:11] put the
moderator in
[56:15] with um the executive or the townwide
bodies that's like um as I said before
[56:23] that could something could be
what are townwide elected bodies that
[56:28] could be in a in the guide but um the
fact that when you read about what the
[56:37] town moderator does the four items or
whatever it is five items it's all about
[56:43] the
legislature so it's to me it's a major
[56:47] change to change the moderator to
that so so I I would be happy if we
[56:57] didn't have the sentence no substantive
changes okay
[57:01] so just explain what we did right I I
realized I was in the minority of that
[57:06] vote I just want
to make sure that town meeting members
[57:13] understand I understand that that change
is there right first of all I do not
[57:18] believe the town moderator part of the
legislature he's not he's not he doesn't
[57:23] vote on anything he's just the ring
leader the can't vote on it will hang on
[57:29] hang on by law hang if I understand that
correctly actually the town so the town
[57:33] moderator can only vote in the event of
a tie much the way the vice president of
[57:38] the United States votes in a tie in
Congress but is not a member of the
[57:42] legislative right he's not a member what
we're doing here is not changing his
[57:47] role the substantive understand that I'm
not arguing that okay just hang on a
[57:52] second what we did is we made a chapter
that talk about people that got
[57:58] elected and I understand that and so
that's why hang on that's why we put him
[58:02] there if you look at the language for
the moderator we made and I don't
[58:07] remember why but we made in 263 we made
we deleted some language so we haven't
[58:14] changed his role what we have done is is
we've as an organizational process we
[58:21] tried to group all the elected people
please I understand understand that I
[58:27] know but the point is you're trying to
whether you consider it substantive or
[58:30] not or whether you consider that the
town meeting members will be put off by
[58:36] a statement that says no substantive
changes and then tells about a change
[58:39] but we can't control how people people
we can't control how people Define that
[58:44] word Marthur I know and I but I want
to help town meeting members
[58:51] understanding I'm just saying so are we
down to just changing or a different
[58:56] word let me ask let me ask the question
Martha then because I don't want I don't
[59:03] want town meeting members to get the
wrong impression that's that's important
[59:06] to me I agree yes and I and I when I
drafted this language I worked as hard
[59:11] as I could sure you did to not be biased
in any way or to be ad I I wanted this
[59:17] to be as factual as possible so I want
town meeting members when they see this
[59:23] to know that the role of the moderator
has not been changed so is that what you
[59:30] want me to want to put in here instead
to say the role of the moderator has not
[59:34] been changed but the moderator position
has been moved from one branch from one
[59:39] chapter to another and and maybe start
with yes start with the change or the
[59:45] the move and then however the role of
the moderator has not been changed well
[59:52] I I would I I'm I'm willing to certainly
put about the role put those both in but
[59:57] I think it's more important to address
that we have not CH because again the
[1:00:02] first thing I want I want town meeting
members to know is that we have not
[1:00:05] changed the role of the moderator that
is the first thing that is the most
[1:00:09] important thing that anyone we can't
change it that's remember when um D
[1:00:16] Goldman he said certain we shouldn't we
probably can't and but there's some
[1:00:22] things we certainly could change but
that's the whole point I want to make it
[1:00:24] but I want that clear to meeting members
so I don't have a problem with saying
[1:00:29] that the role of the
[1:00:37] moderator has not been
changed actually we don't I don't even
[1:00:43] say that because it's no recommendations
because that's how I have to phrase
[1:00:47] everything yeah right um we're not
recommending any Chang recommending any
[1:00:52] changes however not
the role of the
[1:00:57] moderator no recommendation has been
made to change the role of the moderator
[1:01:02] let's put it that way
yeah second part is going to
[1:01:11] be has been
made to
[1:01:19] change the role of the moderator
[1:01:31] you can put that as a period then we
going notice it
[1:01:39] however the moderator position has been
moved from the
[1:01:44] chapter on the legislative branch from
the legislative branch chapter to the
[1:01:50] townwide elected Branch or chapter well
I don't know if we need to put that
[1:01:55] because they know that this chapter that
chapter is headed townwide elected yeah
[1:02:00] no I keep it as minim minimal as you
like but but make note that we haven't
[1:02:06] changed it out of that one legislative I
think I think
[1:02:10] person will understand has been moved I
do too yeah from the chapter thank you
[1:02:15] on the legislative branch sorry I
couldn't come up with that no no this is
[1:02:20] the night to get it that's why we do
this
[1:02:25] Mr moderator Mr
chairman go right ahead Mr jado yeah Al
[1:02:31] jado Precinct 17 I'm glad you made the
changes um the moderator is derived from
[1:02:38] the legislative BRS he or she has really
no other function other than what is set
[1:02:44] through the legislative branch Plymouth
is unique years ago you elected a town
[1:02:51] clerk you elected the moderator then we
went from an open town meeting where
[1:02:57] everyone showed up to elected and these
leftover positions the clerk eventually
[1:03:02] became appointed and this moderator
function goes back decades or it goes
[1:03:08] back to the 1940s when you had an open
town meeting most towns elect a
[1:03:14] moderator through the body it is a
function of the of because then we know
[1:03:21] what the moderator is up up to when he
or she appoints the finance committee
[1:03:26] finance committee
appoints answers to us they do that
[1:03:31] Financial detailed work for us so it
flows properly so I'm glad you cleared
[1:03:37] this up I was a little concerned about
that because in closing we've had some
[1:03:42] concerns with the moderator and how much
power he has and that's been a concern
[1:03:47] in the town and that's been
corrected and I think a lot of T meeting
[1:03:52] members would be concerned if he didn't
make those changes so thank you for the
[1:03:56] changes thank you Mr Dono and any
further M go right ahead the moderator
[1:04:03] was elected
impus that's okay we're not and and
[1:04:07] still is and we're not changing that I
mean was appointed excuse me and now and
[1:04:13] then we changed it to an elected
position and that's where it is and
[1:04:16] we're not changing that right exactly so
all right so um that actually takes care
[1:04:22] of of some of your um first bullet we
got into that um chat article 21 okay so
[1:04:29] if everybody happy with article 21 now
as it
[1:04:33] reads seeing No Hands we'll go on to
article
[1:04:37] 22 uh I don't want to bore the whole
committee want me to read these aloud or
[1:04:41] does anyone have any um pre preone notes
they want to bring up article
[1:04:46] 22 what's the what's the pleasure of the
group I just read it so all so you're
[1:04:51] good I'm good yeah did you have any
thoughts on 22 on what is now 22
[1:04:57] master um any your notes to that nothing
[1:05:05] outstanding unless it's related to what
is my I can't my mind is soping here
[1:05:11] this take your time this is this is all
the the town meeting
[1:05:16] so we really
didn't we made very few right real
[1:05:23] changes again most of what we did was
just to clarify again the the big
[1:05:28] changes we talked about were adding
something to the
[1:05:32] caucuses um requiring
[1:05:38] that we creating a separate simultaneous
offices provision for town meeting as
[1:05:44] well as for the other
[1:05:49] bodies and then most of what we did was
just cleaning up yeah right
[1:05:56] I AG this is fine other than the
conflict of interest that was the one
[1:06:00] that
was that actually got changed a little
[1:06:04] bit and that says to remove the
restriction on representative Town me
[1:06:08] May who were Town
employees I think did change that so
[1:06:13] again I I did try and go through every
provision and and identify what I
[1:06:17] thought were the major things that were
not just grammatical
[1:06:23] or or eliminations for duplicative or
things like that I all right and seeing
[1:06:30] um nothing that jumps out to anyone on
article 22 we'll move on Steve one one
[1:06:36] question Steve could you look at the
board and see if I captured the town
[1:06:40] moderator change
that can you read it uh no we can't read
[1:06:45] that have to share share it it is you I
am screen
[1:06:50] sharing we don't see itang on
we reduce that Zoom screen
[1:07:01] one no I'm sharing let me unshare myself
for a minute Michelle that might be what
[1:07:06] causes the
problem because I don't need to be
[1:07:13] shared why am I looking at that
[1:07:24] damn oh
[1:07:28] okay let let me see if I can screen your
sh share your screen
[1:07:36] Michelle I should be able to do it with
[1:07:42] you no I can't share you have to do it I
it says mine says I am screen sharing
[1:07:48] right
now yeah we're not seeing it I'm
[1:07:52] sorry hang on look at the co-host and
see there's something there it does say
[1:07:56] that is it up in the owl oh maybe that's
it right there hang on
[1:08:07] more oh it says your it says your
co-hosting it says stop sharing you're
[1:08:12] sharing but we're not seeing it give me
a second give me a second how about
[1:08:17] optimize for video sharing under the
options no
[1:08:23] no were you underneath her where it says
layouts options you have share optimize
[1:08:30] for video sharing see if that works says
Where oh oh oh I'm saying I'm sorry no
[1:08:38] that's right
[1:08:41] out that's
[1:08:46] not hang on a second Melle
[1:08:59] huh not sure
[1:09:05] why yeah it says multiple let me let me
do
[1:09:08] this try and see if you can unshare and
share
[1:09:18] again what was the correction she was
trying to do Steve what we just did I
[1:09:22] think she typed it out and she wants to
make sure that we she's typed it out as
[1:09:26] we discussed it yeah okay that's
important I think we should Michelle I'm
[1:09:30] coming hold on
[1:09:36] okay I wish they would fix this
[1:09:43] something there you
go Marth there is what we just kind of
[1:09:48] said let's see
[1:09:59] there we go how does that
[1:10:02] look yeah it's article 21 right I think
that's very
[1:10:12] good better than I could
do except I don't think it's townwide
[1:10:18] elected Town boards and I think it's
just townwide elected boards and office
[1:10:22] holder and office holders
um right in
[1:10:28] the wide townwide elected wide elected
Town
[1:10:34] boards it it
is yep that what we intended I thought
[1:10:41] that was that I think that was just the
typo be honest but okay be
[1:10:46] careful hang on Theo T contents yeah
townwide elected Town boards and office
[1:10:54] holders second Town yeah I do we need to
say that they're townwide Town Offices
[1:10:59] the town doesn't vote on anything other
than town office our Charter doesn't
[1:11:04] address federal or
state so
[1:11:10] you so first office holders is plural
but yes eliminate that second Town
[1:11:17] correct you got that right okay yeah
just delete
[1:11:22] it well we need to delete it from the
chart now also so but just delete it
[1:11:28] here
okay but you're absolutely right it does
[1:11:31] need to be it does need to be and that's
office holders plural and you're right
[1:11:35] it does need to be actually it doesn't
need to be a deletion but the one we
[1:11:40] pass in it can't show up in the table
I've already marked it to delete it
[1:11:44] right because that's new so it's not
something that's a strike out from
[1:11:50] Curr okay
work okay all right great thank
[1:11:57] you so moving back um ahead we felt good
with article um which is now renamed
[1:12:04] article 22 we'll go on to article uh 23
this is the reordering of chapter 4 uh
[1:12:11] this talks about uh voting and off
elections and holding
[1:12:18] office is there anything in this um
eight or 10 bullets that um concern
[1:12:24] anybody or need to be
[1:12:35] reviewed not seeing anything or is
everyone reading it want a minute to
[1:12:39] read it or everyone feel
[1:12:42] comfortable okay I think we're good
moving on uh article
[1:12:48] 24 this is the reordering of chapter
five of the Plymouth Town cha
[1:12:52] recommended by the CH Review Committee
this talks about the town manages
[1:12:58] um um duties and responsibilities if I'm
not
[1:13:03] mistaken talks about Finn head of
Finance director of
[1:13:09] finance department of planning and the
Department of Public
[1:13:13] Works it's four bullets in this
particular
[1:13:17] article anything that anyone would like
to speak to were people comfortable with
[1:13:22] my putting that bold note in there I
thought that was very important to
[1:13:26] stress because I know that that would be
confusing to
[1:13:31] people yeah I think that's that should
be
[1:13:38] huge okay seeing no further discussion
article 25 this is the reordering of
[1:13:45] chapter 6 of the pouth Town
cha uh this talks uh about the advisory
[1:13:51] and finance committee and their uh way
that they're appoint the way that they
[1:13:56] do
[1:13:59] reports the Conservation Commission and
the zoning board of
[1:14:07] appeals nothing jumps out anyone we're
talking about what was seven now is 25
[1:14:14] correct yes I believe that's correct and
that's that the title of that chapter is
[1:14:19] statutory required public bodies
okay is there anything in that chapter
[1:14:26] anyone has any concern with the way that
it was defined for our purposes for to
[1:14:31] meeting seeing none we're going on to
what's on the paper is article 8 now in
[1:14:36] our minds will be article 26 that's the
reordering of chapter 7 the CL Town
[1:14:42] Shadow this talks uh primarily uh about
other committees consisting of the
[1:14:48] committee of prec
chairs Board of Health open
[1:14:53] space the land use and acquisition the
building
[1:14:58] committee and the chat Review Committee
coincidentally enough any questions
[1:15:06] on anything in that chapter chapter
[1:15:13] 26 everything looks pretty
good moving on to article uh 9 as we see
[1:15:20] it here today it will be article 27 this
is uh the reordering of chapter 8 of the
[1:15:26] Plymouth Town
Chada and this talks
[1:15:32] about boards and how this what this how
this set
[1:15:43] up change it to recommended to create a
fixed date by which boards commissions
[1:15:47] and committees shall organize annually
Al this must be a result after
[1:15:53] elections um anyone have anything um
they' like to talk about in article
[1:16:00] 27 moving on to article 20 28 which is
on your paper today article 10 this is
[1:16:07] to reorder chapter nine Plymouth Town
[1:16:15] cha this talks about P Town chatter and
U I think it talks about when we meet
[1:16:24] every five years no this is just the
this is those this is the miscellaneous
[1:16:28] Provisions
section I don't want maybe I should have
[1:16:33] been on top of this are we reordering or
is this all new one of them was all new
[1:16:37] wasn't it the
chapters um yes that was
[1:16:42] the yeah but there this is make char
changes to the reordered Charter chapter
[1:16:49] okay so we'll keep using that okay that
was my mistake all right that confus
[1:16:52] this this this is to make sure that
everybody knows that they're doing this
[1:16:55] this is to chapter eight of the
reordered chter chapter seven of the
[1:17:00] reordered not of the existing fair
enough yep okay that's
[1:17:06] good um and then so that wouldn't it if
I'm not mistaken Steve you can correct
[1:17:12] that that takes care of of our work
correct as we did over the last U 13 14
[1:17:19] months uh speaking to the chter and the
revisions or the corrections or the
[1:17:23] deletions we made now article 11 as we
have it here today you'll see it on
[1:17:28] Saturday morning uh morning of town
meeting is article 29 and this is to
[1:17:33] permit the town
clerk hopefully to take all of the
[1:17:38] changes that were accepted by town
meeting and reorder them so uh and for
[1:17:43] this one and for this one I would
actually go right to the language that
[1:17:47] Sylvio had prepared in the draft warrant
says to see if the town will vote to
[1:17:53] authorize the town clerk with the
approval of the Town manager to make
[1:17:57] clerical and non-substantive editorial
revisions to the Plymouth Town Charter
[1:18:02] in accordance with the changes as
adopted by town meeting on October 19
[1:18:06] 2024 or take any other action relative
thet it seems to sum up pretty good I
[1:18:12] think that that's not just that at that
point it's not just the reordering but
[1:18:16] also obviously that would deal with the
internal references and things like that
[1:18:22] so it's not reordering it's renumbering
right um this yes it's re sorry ring it
[1:18:28] would be it's not just I think that's
that's sorry that was my I misspoke yeah
[1:18:36] right that's what I thought yep no uh
yes so this so that concludes at least
[1:18:41] um so we're going to put going over the
do you have anything that can go back um
[1:18:45] Authur and and any any place else that
you can well no no I'm all set oh you
[1:18:52] are okay make sure that because the
other part
[1:18:57] of changing the names of the charters
now that there's no executive it
[1:19:06] is townwide elected
Etc that's all written it's down here so
[1:19:15] um happy with that um but did I
understand that we were going to put yes
[1:19:21] we're going to put Michelle is typing it
as we speak I I agree with that follow
[1:19:27] the ball on the
[1:19:32] screen we need to vote on them yeah
we're going to vote on them in their
[1:19:35] entirety sounds like everybody's since
everybody's comfortable I think we
[1:19:39] everything in its entirity
yeah we'll just wait till she um
[1:19:45] Everybody agrees with her
wording are you can you are you
[1:19:50] verifying what she's typing yes that is
that is exactly what what was put in the
[1:19:55] it looks good I see it from I would out
loud so we're going to there's a motion
[1:20:02] to approve the language of the Articles
as amended is that a good description of
[1:20:05] them and that's a good way put yeah we
amended in two places right okay yes so
[1:20:11] yeah I think that's a way of put it is
that a motion Len that's a motion by me
[1:20:15] all right second seconded by Mr Hen any
further
[1:20:19] discussion seeing none uh would you just
do a raise your hand vote All In
[1:20:25] favor just to be
unanimous thank you
[1:20:30] um so that concludes the two um
specified line items we're going to talk
[1:20:36] about this
evening
[1:20:39] um going in now to a New or Old business
is there anything so Mr Hanley do we
[1:20:47] have a
schedule when this
[1:20:50] was presented to the select in yes yes
we do and I and I thought we had talked
[1:20:58] about a presentation of the
copc want to know what that I can tell
[1:21:03] you hang on well fincom is September
5th
[1:21:10] SE September 5th before the night before
is a s I think I have to look on pap
[1:21:16] that
sorry the nth is the no because there's
[1:21:20] not a meeting there not there's not a
meeting because the election is that
[1:21:23] night from the election election day the
day before but the copc is on the
[1:21:30] 9th 9 it's the ninth I believe
99 I got that right from the horse's
[1:21:38] mouth and the select board is on the
10th and the only thing that's missing
[1:21:44] that you were going to are we going to
do are we being asked to do something
[1:21:47] for the school committee we were asked
the only night they gave me two nights
[1:21:54] one is a conflict the other one is
September 23rd now we didn't uh discuss
[1:22:00] if we were going to um do a presentation
there I think it's a good idea to but um
[1:22:06] is there a is there a thought amongst
the committee to U do a presentation to
[1:22:11] the school committee on the 23rd of
[1:22:16] September what's that look
from so I suggested since we know why
[1:22:22] they want us to come talk to them and
the fact that I was the one that
[1:22:26] proposed taking that paragraph
out well they she's very uh we got this
[1:22:31] I got an email from uh Miss Miss Badger
the chair the
[1:22:36] chairperson we would like to learn more
about the changes that the charter
[1:22:40] committee is proposing regarding the
school
[1:22:43] committee our meetings are on September
9th which we have a conflict with
[1:22:47] copc and the 23rd so I can get back to
her and to let her know okay to book us
[1:22:53] an agenda spot on the 23rd and I would
assume if she gets by chance gets oh
[1:22:58] that's the primary forget about it I
thought it was the election I'd be glad
[1:23:02] to go do that somebody wants to come
with me to help me Dodge the stones I'm
[1:23:07] buy
man thank you Mike what what night of
[1:23:11] the week did you meet me for beer
afterwards at
[1:23:14] least what night is you may need
something stronger well you know what
[1:23:18] what day Monday 23 Monday right so it's
the 23rd of September is 23rd I have a
[1:23:24] big something in my house I'm just well
I like to come to all of these um and at
[1:23:30] least be
there well that would be my hope if
[1:23:34] whoever wants to attend attend anyone
wants to speak we can break it up
[1:23:39] everyone can speak other some can speak
what well I mean I think we should as we
[1:23:43] get close to those dates we should have
a strategy about I mean you know Steve's
[1:23:48] got a lot that he's presenting to the
different committees and there's like on
[1:23:52] the night I think thef aren't you doing
landbank the night I'm doing the land
[1:23:57] bank the night before so I'm just saying
you know not to have him be standing
[1:24:01] there not that he's you know we don't
want him to be there presenting but just
[1:24:05] that he's not standing there for they're
all going to be they're going to be
[1:24:09] tired of me from other things that's
what ly is basically saying well you
[1:24:13] know it helps to have you know I also
agree I think it's important to stress
[1:24:19] that this is a committee decision in
terms of our recommendations that every
[1:24:24] body participated fully this is not just
one or one person's or one small group's
[1:24:31] approach that we had different people
presenting different ideas and that we
[1:24:36] worked collaboratively to try and come
up with the best that language we could
[1:24:42] for Town meetings
consideration oh I agree that's why I
[1:24:46] extend it to anyone and everyone that
wants to participate in pres presenting
[1:24:50] because everyone has a strong suit
everyone has a um you know opinion on on
[1:24:55] what we did as body of work and I think
as a town meeting member sitting out in
[1:25:00] the audience if I were to hear uh from
anyone in the committee or everyone in
[1:25:06] the committee even that's even better uh
I would feel much more comfortable that
[1:25:10] you know was you know doesn't have to
say that we were 100% on on everything
[1:25:16] but I think the vast majority of our
votes all of our votes or obviously a
[1:25:19] majority but I think for the most part
we had um a very good group and everyone
[1:25:25] contributed and I think in the
presentation it would be nice if that
[1:25:29] shows it's up to I've never been to any
of these meetings that's my hesitation I
[1:25:34] do want to go y um oh we're going to
throw you right out front then that's it
[1:25:39] congratulations you're now doing the
copc presentation you love it we voted
[1:25:43] last week you the spokes person you
didn't know that you didn't get that
[1:25:46] memo I worried
[1:25:51] about what's that so uh
finance committee September 5th y copc
[1:25:58] September 9th Board of selectman
September 10th school committee
[1:26:04] September and then there's presentation
night do we have a that's is that the
[1:26:10] town moderator's presentation night well
it's presentation night well the town
[1:26:16] moderator does a presentation for pack
TV where you can get on tape for
[1:26:21] Saturday morning that's really a walk
through the it's the Motions meeting
[1:26:25] you're talking about well the motion he
does two things he does a presentation
[1:26:29] and he does a what's the one he does a
walk what's he call Thursday the 10th is
[1:26:33] October 10th the motions and the motion
being is the the morning thing where you
[1:26:37] go upstairs and you can change if
you preview he calls it
[1:26:42] a so what is pres being presentation um
lately because of Co is something that
[1:26:50] the moderator does through pack TV and
if you're a presenter of an article you
[1:26:53] can go win anytime during the prior week
and and tape five minutes or well was it
[1:26:58] anytime I we've just been doing it as a
night they've literally been those who
[1:27:03] wish to have a recording of their
presentation those who are proponents of
[1:27:09] an article presenting an article want
something more than just somebody
[1:27:12] standing in front of the town meeting
talking no this is actually to record
[1:27:16] something so that town meeting members
in advance of meeting it's in advance of
[1:27:21] town meeting can get on so you can watch
it that Night Live or because the local
[1:27:27] scene will record it it'll then be
available if someone wants to look at it
[1:27:31] but for about 10 years prior to co copc
had a presentation night which was sort
[1:27:37] of call on the ninth that for us they're
going to talk about to meeting
[1:27:41] articles and that and they've given us
45 minutes or an hour Mr tarus so then
[1:27:46] the other question is what about
caucuses well this is part of where I'm
[1:27:51] going okay sorry I didn't mean to steal
your thunder because I going to send out
[1:27:54] a meeting a memo
to um the chair of precin
[1:28:00] 15 uh tonight or tomorrow with these
dates because we have I told as I said
[1:28:08] we met as a Precinct last week right and
we all we talked about was the draft
[1:28:13] warrant we went over the draft warrant
and what do we think is important what
[1:28:17] do you think is housekeeping stuff like
that what and so we're going to have a
[1:28:21] separate meeting just on the charter and
I believe that's September
[1:28:30] 26 26 of course it
[1:28:36] is well we could and there'll be other
pocket they're getting together or not
[1:28:42] yeah
17 I just think it's important enough
[1:28:46] this was my recommendation through
Precinct 15 what is it was important
[1:28:51] enough to have a separate meeting just
on the charter but we are hopes that you
[1:28:55] are going to represent the committee
Charter committee or do you want someone
[1:28:59] from the charter help you we don't need
a presentation because this is part of
[1:29:03] my point and you're on the committee of
Precinct chairs the chair of the
[1:29:09] precinct chairs needs to get this
schedule and tell and so send it out to
[1:29:15] every single town meeting member they
have four
[1:29:18] opportunities to have to listen to a
presentation so caucus and do it again
[1:29:25] yeah so why come to the caucus and do
again very good I like whole point of
[1:29:29] you're absolutely right because they
want to ask questions so that you or
[1:29:33] somebody because because they want to
ask questions and because they still
[1:29:37] want everybody to go to them that will
be the answer well the point is
[1:29:41] unfortunate but that is and this is what
I told recing 15 it will there will not
[1:29:47] be a presentation at our baucus you have
the opportunity you had three
[1:29:53] opportunities now you got four including
the school committee to hear the
[1:29:57] presentation now it's about discussing
and asking questions well the school
[1:30:02] committee is just going to the school
committee was very clear they want to
[1:30:05] know simply how does the charter impact
proposed changes impact the school
[1:30:12] commit no but what's the script that
you're all going to consist okay so this
[1:30:15] is what I wanted to ask Al Alan is let
me let me finish this so I think it's
[1:30:22] important for the Precinct chairs to put
this schedule
[1:30:26] out all town meeting members so that
they have an opportunity to listen to at
[1:30:33] least one of these presentation I'm
sorry
[1:30:38] absolutely my question is what is your
role as chair of the committee in terms
[1:30:46] of ANF select board copc and school
committee um and I was thinking what oh
[1:30:54] was said here are you going to write up
a script I certainly I think we talked
[1:31:00] about that we executive summary of what
we've done and and obviously we have
[1:31:07] what is already pretty muchy much
already written that is you know a a
[1:31:13] great start that's pretty much written
but my hope as a chair or is this am I
[1:31:18] presuming what is inaccurate that this
can be used as
[1:31:29] what do you what what
[1:31:33] does what's the purpose of the
a&f you're the chair as a chair I would
[1:31:39] think I would explain why we think these
changes I would start I would open up
[1:31:43] the presentation talk a little hisory
history how we got to be a committee
[1:31:47] when we started how long we've been
doing it and then break off into what
[1:31:50] our philosophies were we decided to um
um streamline the chatter remove
[1:31:57] anything that was redundant remove
anything that was uh didn't need to be
[1:32:02] in there as it pertained to talking
about state law and then we made we made
[1:32:06] some changes made some emissions uh we
we we we put things where they should be
[1:32:11] was makes this old document easy to read
and then my you know after a few minutes
[1:32:16] of talking about our philosophies and a
few of the high points that we talked
[1:32:20] about maybe if there's others from the
committee that are there that night that
[1:32:24] really know a certain part of the child
that you know that really can hammer it
[1:32:29] home they talk about it and so do like
does ANF or selectboard or cop do they
[1:32:35] ask questions of the they typically do
they typically give you whoever else is
[1:32:39] their time frame and then if you're
talking they'll extend it but um once I
[1:32:45] think we do our presentation in my head
I have the presentation being you know
[1:32:49] 15 minutes you know talking about some
things and then taking questions there
[1:32:53] might be some specific things that this
is what I've been sort of fooling around
[1:32:57] myself is I drive around and think there
might be something that we talked about
[1:33:01] in this chat that catches someone's eye
and it becomes an issue that I don't
[1:33:04] think of today is an issue it could be
something in there that we're all
[1:33:07] worried about that breezes through
people like it so we'll know the first
[1:33:11] one or two presentations where the
pressure is going to come from I I think
[1:33:15] it's a good document and I'm going to
I'm going to I'm going to stress while I
[1:33:19] speak as a town meeting member I haven't
gone through this now twice
[1:33:24] I think we've gone through two chter
committees as a town meting member that
[1:33:29] I think what we've done is sort of novel
with we've made the thing easier to read
[1:33:34] easier to to look at easier to use and I
think we've made some great uh great um
[1:33:41] changes or not changes as much as
recommendations recommendations and uh
[1:33:46] that's that's where I'm coming from as a
presenter I'm going to have been on the
[1:33:50] other side voting on this and I will be
again quite honestly
[1:33:54] but this is a good document and it
here's why it's easy to read it's easy
[1:33:59] to find things you want to find anything
out about the copc now you go to chapter
[1:34:05] seven or whatever number is I yeah I
mean for example in copc since Al's on
[1:34:10] the committee we can't expect Al to
stand up and do the presentation so I'm
[1:34:14] willing to stand up either Steve or I
you know if he's got some stuff he's
[1:34:18] presenting that's already got him up
there
[1:34:21] talking lots of things I'm willing to
stand stand up in front of the committee
[1:34:25] but I think we all should get together
and come up with some some language that
[1:34:29] we want to use you know personally me my
I subscribe to less as More Concept you
[1:34:35] know the less you say the better off you
are because it leaves less room for
[1:34:39] interpretation I think let people to try
to interpret it and ask questions and
[1:34:43] answer the questions you know as our
esteemed lawyer will tell you if you've
[1:34:49] ever been Depo deposed there's three
words you say yes no and I don't know
[1:34:53] and some Ty say well yes I don't know
it's not a worry but I just think you
[1:34:56] know we need to just help people
understand it you're concerned about
[1:35:00] that that part in that first article I
understand that and I think that's our
[1:35:04] role they have to make up their own mind
uh I'm it's to me it's not a sales job
[1:35:09] it's it's an information we're just
providing information and some clarity
[1:35:13] on what we did and why we did it you
know to kind of piggy bank on what El
[1:35:18] said that's just my philosophy so Lyn
have you been to some to uh a a article
[1:35:24] presentation meeting or whatever it's
called um am AMF select board no copc no
[1:35:33] and it's just to me it's just another
committee another presentation I've
[1:35:37] stood up in front of 1500 people made
presentations so I'm not nervous about
[1:35:41] it I don't think there's anything mag
just my opinion I don't think there's
[1:35:45] anything magical about it these are you
go in with the philosophy these are
[1:35:49] smart knowledgeable people that can
figure things out and if they have some
[1:35:53] questions about some things you help
them try to understand what the words on
[1:35:57] the paper what the intent of the words
on the paper not what they mean but what
[1:36:01] was the intent of the words you know
give them some context to it so you know
[1:36:07] I'm not I'm not afraid of doing it so
can I ask Alan
[1:36:12] um do you feel like as a copc member
that you wouldn't be able to change hats
[1:36:19] during the meeting that you would oh no
I comfortable that I would get up out of
[1:36:23] walk over to the podium and start the
presentation depending on who came
[1:36:27] hopefully Steve and Mike hopefully
everyone's there because I think once we
[1:36:31] do one or two of these will start to uh
flush out where what people want to know
[1:36:36] about and and somebody might know more
about it uh Len and Steve have typed and
[1:36:40] written this thing you know 100 times so
if somebody has a very specific question
[1:36:45] on some wording they're probably going
to answer it unless you and I know off
[1:36:49] top of our head but I'd love to have
that support where we can answer
[1:36:53] everything that night somebody has
something to contribute and somebody has
[1:36:57] a strong suit and knows you know they
know this part of they know they know it
[1:37:01] down so I would get up make the Pres
make the introduction stand to the side
[1:37:05] in case there's any last minute
questions or a final wrap up and then
[1:37:09] I'll go back as U as pring 10 guy Ste
that sounds good to me I so I I do
[1:37:16] intend on being at most if not all of
these uh and for your comfort Martha yes
[1:37:21] I have presented to every one of these
on several occasions I can also tell you
[1:37:26] not that I've seen it I can also tell
you that I believe our former chair may
[1:37:31] be appearing at a couple of these Mr
Golden now Mr Golden of course is a
[1:37:36] select board member he is also a former
copc member so his his uh impro if you
[1:37:45] will as to our work may also carry some
weight with town meeting members uh he
[1:37:53] he is very excited by what we have
finished with um I don't want to speak
[1:37:57] for him but obviously he he's expressed
his his support of the committee's work
[1:38:03] and his interest in seeing this put
forth and get a good good reception no
[1:38:09] it's a great point and I forgot to
mention that but as I've driven around
[1:38:12] and said this thing in my head I a
driveing uh uh Mr Golden is the liais on
[1:38:18] now with copc he's going to be in the
room and you know
[1:38:23] I I'll be the first to admit I think he
did the lion sharing carrying this thing
[1:38:27] getting it started and he should be
noted for that and you know I don't know
[1:38:31] if he's has if it's appropriate and his
rolling now to come up and speak to it
[1:38:35] but he may be able to speak on the
premise of how we got started and why we
[1:38:40] went in certain directions and now it's
going to be a benefit if if if we have a
[1:38:44] select board Buy in right right off the
rail so yeah I think Steve raised a good
[1:38:49] point I think you have to make note of
Mr Golden Mr super I know he left for um
[1:38:56] personal reasons or conflicts but he was
huge he was a huge help I thought we
[1:39:00] yeah we had a good committee and and I
hope not to put you on the spot do you
[1:39:04] have an interest in speaking or do you
feel like you would feel it out would
[1:39:08] you want to get up and speak process
participate and so I want you to feel
[1:39:13] comfortable to do that Mr Paisa is a
wealth of information Mr Hutchinson on
[1:39:17] here tonight Mr La Mr La is going to be
sitting on the other side of the table
[1:39:21] in a&f but he knows everything we did
here and he has he has his opinions he
[1:39:27] could explain it so I think the uh and I
probably have a different
[1:39:32] opinion Mr hanlin on the caucuses I I I
I'm gonna hope to go to Every caucus I
[1:39:38] can go to because I've learned at least
I mean the more you put yourself in
[1:39:41] front of people and let them ask you
questions good or bad if they beat you
[1:39:45] up or if they're good you stand up I
feel a much better chance Saturday
[1:39:50] morning of passing if if I talk to you
and I don't even know you from Precinct
[1:39:54] 18 when you had a one-on-one with me and
we talked it might have been enough to
[1:39:59] change your mind or or make you vot for
it I I don't want to leave any stone
[1:40:03] unturned it'll be only me twice a years
I want to talk to 162 161 people if I
[1:40:08] can I will I've been to the I I was um
one of the League members that went to
[1:40:13] the caucuses when the Comm uh
commissions proposal was coming before
[1:40:21] um you know our our
Town Springtown meeting ballot question
[1:40:28] so that I have
done and have the same opinion the more
[1:40:32] you you get in front of the it was just
[1:40:37] educational we were helping educate I
don't think there's a difference of
[1:40:41] opinion I think it's a just simple
matter of exhaustion no and I because I
[1:40:46] I mean I I will be attending a number of
them on landbank but again I also have
[1:40:50] Mr KY and Mr Goldman who will be
attending other caucuses I'm so we can
[1:40:56] divide up and we should be doing the
same thing for this we should make sure
[1:41:01] I me the irony is when we talk about the
copc we had four copc members on this
[1:41:06] committee at one point or another Mr
Golden yourself Miss kavako and Mr
[1:41:11] Hutchinson not
me I'm
[1:41:16] sorry I was we've been here to I was
speaking about Allan but yeah but that's
[1:41:21] a great point and one former member for
and one former member that's right
[1:41:26] so and which is ironic because probably
the largest change in our Charter is in
[1:41:33] really defining the role of the
copc right
[1:41:42] say um I I um there's two thoughts I
want to get out here one
[1:41:49] is we need to know what the schedule of
the 18 pre I'll have to ask Mr I'll get
[1:41:57] that as quick as I can good good luck
getting that anytime that will I
[1:42:01] understand that will change and I will
also say that again there will have
[1:42:05] multiple meetings because of the size of
the of the warrant in general so it's
[1:42:10] not just a question of when the schedule
is but when they want to hear from us on
[1:42:14] the charter as opposed to other or but
the sooner we get that information the
[1:42:19] better of course it is
so I will be present at any of these
[1:42:25] four meetings oh you're out of
town yes I am all of them I'm sitting
[1:42:32] there looking at my schedule which I
still use we went over there and
[1:42:38] um
well just a busy man my friend is there
[1:42:43] anything you at this stage of tonight
you can add you that we should do with
[1:42:47] these presentations
any and you if you were here would you
[1:42:51] do anything different than we've spoke
about so far this
[1:42:54] evening well my philosophy of precin
cauy back from when I was a chair want
[1:43:00] about the four event you're going to
miss yeah yeah okay you know you've got
[1:43:06] you got it under control you know you
will have a
[1:43:10] script I'm sure it's not going to change
from one to one meeting to another
[1:43:14] that's all fine
uh my very strong recommendation is that
[1:43:21] we not because some some precin caucuses
are going to say oh we want a
[1:43:27] presentation right and if if we make it
clear to them that there are four
[1:43:34] presentations maybe not the school
committee so much but the other three
[1:43:38] there are three presentations there's
opportunities for town meeting members
[1:43:42] to hear what you and others have to say
and then if so additional questions we
[1:43:49] could come in and address that but the
question that's a good point May go
[1:43:53] under that I mean we need to we'll be
there to answer questions I think when
[1:43:57] Mike saying we need to sell that concept
and say look you can you can you can
[1:44:02] watch it on P TV you can watch it on
YouTube you can go there and sit in
[1:44:06] person you can participate in a zoom
thing so there's lots of ways for you to
[1:44:11] hear that
information and then after the fact if
[1:44:15] there is a series of questions that you
still have and your caucus would like
[1:44:19] somebody from the committee to come and
talk to you about it let us know and we
[1:44:22] will
do our best to accommodate your schedule
[1:44:26] well I think that I think it ought to be
mandatory that somebody from this
[1:44:32] committee go to Every Precinct
caucus unless there's something some
[1:44:37] reason why why we
can't conflicts I would agree with that
[1:44:42] yeah I do too yeah and I would even
suggest that there' be two people are
[1:44:46] they to at
[1:44:50] Le I'm going to be out of town for my
own pre caucus yeah so well there other
[1:44:56] ones to go you to dial in at
least I will I will be there by Zoom
[1:45:03] yeah and try to answer questions but you
know I'm going to say when I send my
[1:45:08] message or wrestling these are three
opportunities for nine people from
[1:45:13] Precinct 15 to listen to the
presentation please take the opportunity
[1:45:19] to listen and if you can't be there in
person you can't watch it live act TV is
[1:45:25] always recorded watch it at your leer
please not to put you on the spot but do
[1:45:31] the league have any desire or has there
been any talk about putting together a u
[1:45:35] informational
night no not that I know of okay at this
[1:45:39] point yeah I'm not sure but I didn't
know if you add something into it yeah
[1:45:43] this is really since it's for town
meeting members not for the voters I I
[1:45:47] could understand that yeah that makes
sense well we could probably but I I
[1:45:51] didn't know you had
on here all the time I don't know if you
[1:45:54] had built a um
[1:45:59] soing
okay but thanks interesting was that
[1:46:03] thanks for asking yeah it wouldn't it
wouldn't be a anything related to a
[1:46:08] position you know yes no in any way a
support just informational it would be
[1:46:14] informational yeah no no that's fair I
would not it
[1:46:18] is similar to what you're talking about
um that's us doing at the caucuses right
[1:46:27] so you were talking about September 26th
was it the prec 151 to do a
[1:46:33] charter that's what we talked about last
week but we didn't know what the
[1:46:37] schedule was right so if if that just
understand if that is something that
[1:46:43] they want I can make myself available on
the 26 at some point shortly before town
[1:46:49] meeting uh my wife will divorce me but
none
[1:46:54] L September 26 6:00 I mean I can I could
help in the uh recck room
[1:47:01] [Music]
yeah and then I can't
[1:47:04] do so unless something changes because
I'm not the chair anymore um that's the
[1:47:12] schedule for to hear the charter
question okay
[1:47:19] because who your chair wrestling what's
that who your chair wrestling yeah
[1:47:23] yeah uh because our our town meeting
caucus the one we have right before town
[1:47:28] meeting is on the six October
16th and we would hear all the other AR
[1:47:34] at that
time that's that's the Wednesday I'm
[1:47:37] going to do the 17 that's the W before
Town
[1:47:41] yeah all right and it's
typically I haven't seen the schedule
[1:47:46] but it's typically four or five um ping
that double up so that might help to
[1:47:52] schedule a little bit
when there are also several precincts
[1:47:56] that tend to choose to meet on the same
night that's true too and do not double
[1:48:01] up but rather require you to either
either either be in two places at once
[1:48:07] or risk one of the biggest speeding
tickets that the town of Plymouth has
[1:48:11] ever seen attempting to get from one
place to
[1:48:14] another I heard
Lee planning say that he suggested that
[1:48:19] and it would be next is to have two
nights
[1:48:23] where people came in and presented to
half of the precincts one night the
[1:48:26] other half another night like at the
high school and then the the each car
[1:48:30] each Precinct could go off in their own
room and have their conversations after
[1:48:34] they hear the presentations just for
that reason because you know for Town
[1:48:40] employees it's just it's it's it's a
it's death you know it's a March you
[1:48:44] know it's a bridge over r with Qui you
know but
[1:48:50] sool hey this is Michelle
I am on the town's calendar right now
[1:48:55] and there are some Precinct I can give
you some dates right now for some of the
[1:48:59] meetings that are
scheduled so I am seeing Precinct
[1:49:06] Three for September
5th they're at 5:30 at the school
[1:49:13] administration building so 11 Lincoln
Street seeing Precinct 12 on September
[1:49:21] 12th
700
[1:49:25] p.m. at the cederville fire
[1:49:30] station let me hold
[1:49:34] on
[Music]
[1:49:36] and Precinct
13 is October
[1:49:42] 8th 6:30 p.m. at the
[1:49:48] airport Precinct 16
has two meetings
[1:49:56] scheduled October
88th 700
[1:50:00] p.m. at the Plymouth Middle School must
be
[1:50:06] pcis also Precinct 16 is October 15 oh
that's the date of is that the day of
[1:50:13] the meeting no October 15 7 PM wait a
minute when Town when's meeting
[1:50:22] okay so they have two meetings the
precinct 16 the second meeting is
[1:50:27] October 15 700 p.m. at Plymouth Mid
South Middle
[1:50:33] School Precinct
11 October
[1:50:38] 16 6:30 p.m. at the
airport so that is the schedule so
[1:50:46] far if you need me to repeat anything
let me know oh thanks we had 13 and 11
[1:50:51] don't meet on the same night but anyway
I'm sure they
[1:50:55] have used to always meet together yeah I
think I remember being out there
[1:51:01] for I had to go from one they were in
two different places obviously meaning
[1:51:07] I'll ask Mr tarus if you can keep me up
to date on that as well I'll try to keep
[1:51:10] it keep everyone ARS updated as the best
I can yeah some people
[1:51:16] may uh some precincts may decide to do a
separate meeting which is what we did
[1:51:22] did MH uh just to hear the charter
Others May
[1:51:27] just wump it all
together looking at the draft there's
[1:51:31] quite a bit on there for the Falls isn't
there it is it's a it's pretty packed
[1:51:36] reasonably packed um
although again some of it is more
[1:51:42] housekeeping but
yes Ellie yes um so we're going to have
[1:51:49] this latest draft whatever that number
is today's date or something right oh
[1:51:54] this
24826 it's good Martha it's probably
[1:51:59] going to just say this is we're gonna
Michelle and I are going to figure out
[1:52:03] editing this what the changes we made
tonight and then it's going to be the
[1:52:08] one that's going to be distributed to
everybody so theion there would be no
[1:52:11] version on it it is they say the
proposed Charter for p meeting 2024
[1:52:16] whatever we'll come up with the right
language we'll probably for our own
[1:52:20] purposes call it final
right that be explained to me earlier by
[1:52:26] 11:00 tomorrow yeah and I will figure it
out we got to get it we got to get it so
[1:52:30] they can get get it to everybody because
there's been some confusion about what
[1:52:34] the version is they should be looking at
do we do we need a mo do we need a
[1:52:40] motion Len um if we find any more typos
any minor Corrections that can be made
[1:52:48] without I think we leave I think the ver
the language of the last article covers
[1:52:54] that and so I think we should just leave
it alone and let it be taken care of
[1:52:58] when no no no I I think ultimately what
Michelle is saying if as you're going
[1:53:03] through if you catch any moreor
typographical errors I think the
[1:53:07] committee has already voted that we
don't consider typographical errors to
[1:53:11] be something that the committee needs to
address leave it up to
[1:53:17] you go we another Capital TM for town
meeting we voted to do that we should
[1:53:23] just allow every time you look at this I
understand C for now until eternity you
[1:53:30] will find like typle I
know alen i'me um well two things one is
[1:53:40] so then the a version will be online
final version in a couple days no
[1:53:47] tomorrow okay and when what about hard
copies
[1:53:53] as far as the book no as far as if
people want to come to town meeting to
[1:53:59] town hall and get a hard copy is what I
remember the Commissioners did the
[1:54:05] commissioner I think they had to get a
budget item to print though I'm not
[1:54:10] talking about that so just mean 162
copies of it for the town meeting
[1:54:16] member town meeting members are going to
get hard copies so will there be copies
[1:54:22] here for anybody because people have
already saying to me I I'd like to get a
[1:54:26] hard copy when it's one going to be
available so what's the pro what should
[1:54:29] I say I'll have to add well maybe
Michelle we don't have a budget for that
[1:54:33] no we don't no we don't and there won't
be any copies here um we can talk to the
[1:54:40] town manager to
see if we can print you know 10
[1:54:46] copies
um but there's not going to be you know
[1:54:50] 50 copies 100 50 copies sitting
here maybe between Michelle and I will
[1:54:57] talk to the town manager or the
assistant Town manager and see if we can
[1:55:00] get a certain number of copies for this
building and for the library but I don't
[1:55:05] know if we can do many without a budget
actually I'm I'm rethinking in
[1:55:10] perspective so the town meeting members
are the ones that vote on it they're all
[1:55:14] going to have a hard they're all yes
they will be other um interested
[1:55:19] citizens so how many would that be 20 or
we don't know so I I know we don't but
[1:55:25] I'm I'm guessing that it's we're not
talking big numbers I think it's a
[1:55:28] courtesy we should have a small number
of I read the library in here like maybe
[1:55:33] 20 at each place or I'll ask the if we
get 20 at each Place see how then um
[1:55:39] we'll certainly make a flyer or a notice
that certainly going to be on the not to
[1:55:44] put it on them to go get it themselves
off the website but it will be there
[1:55:48] printed there was talk there was there
was there was talk on the committee at
[1:55:54] one time that you wanted town meeting
members also to receive a copy of the
[1:56:00] current
Charter and I spoke to Janette white
[1:56:06] advisory in finance yesterday about that
and I told her I would you know ask you
[1:56:12] folks do you want that being out there
with the
[1:56:17] charter that might have been early on
Michelle but I think we abandoned that
[1:56:21] pretty quickly when now we had that
working group where we
[1:56:26] reorganized uh because that's a little
easier to go side by side with our
[1:56:30] changes and our admissions I would say
at this point do not um do not worry
[1:56:34] about sending out the existing chat
gotcha thank you except for a reference
[1:56:40] that it's on the town website you can
make a reference that it's on there but
[1:56:44] I think unless I'm mistaken I thought
you know quarter of the way into our
[1:56:48] process we did a work group and we
arrang this things easier to read and
[1:56:53] follow that was that was the point of
having of keeping the original numbers
[1:56:58] so that everybody knows what they are
looking at if they need to compare it to
[1:57:04] something they can but more to the point
that they understand that all of the
[1:57:09] numbers are there so they know I thought
we thought we determin it would be a
[1:57:12] nightmare to try to put two side by side
yeah I was proposing that we had we had
[1:57:18] the the charter we did and the charter
existed had some kind of intermediate
[1:57:23] document and we abandon that when Kate
said to us we're better off putting all
[1:57:28] the language in the charter we want to
go before Town committee s town meeting
[1:57:34] because if they decide not to take out
let's say the section about the P the
[1:57:38] Department of Public Works it's
physically there all we have to do is
[1:57:42] change it from Red Line strike out to
Black that way we don't have to go put
[1:57:46] it back in it just starts to become and
so this document is what it would like
[1:57:52] if you took out all the blue all the red
that's the document you know and it
[1:57:57] would be simple to do that to go through
and just change everything
[1:58:02] so no I'm with you
so um sorry so we have on the front page
[1:58:10] here which I think is great um and I am
I right in assuming that this page will
[1:58:14] be what the Yeah it's like this we may
take that that page affects the charter
[1:58:21] we may take that page and make that
front page a separate document because
[1:58:26] right now it creates some craziness with
the document from page numbering
[1:58:30] standpoint the way word does page
numbering so we'll figure it out doesn't
[1:58:35] according to this page one is the first
page I understand but it'll be fine
[1:58:40] it'll be fine we'll figure it out so I
wondered if we would put David gold
[1:58:46] beside David golden and Robert zap's
name um
[1:58:54] um
resigned or retired however you put it
[1:58:59] that well he at a certain point because
when people like in you know even now
[1:59:06] not to
mention in times down the road
[1:59:10] historians looking at this they wonder
why there's so many names here it's more
[1:59:14] than nine you could do that there should
be
[1:59:17] 11 there are but but the thing is um
David golden and Rob Robert zeroi are
[1:59:26] now re
resigned and former chair and former
[1:59:33] clerk
um maybe we can put a
[1:59:38] notation yeah we can take we'll figure
something out yeah talk about
[1:59:42] that I think the name should appear
because I think both AG Quarters at
[1:59:46] least three quarters of the way through
and both instrumental and what we have
[1:59:51] in front of us today
um but you're right um you could put oh
[1:59:57] you could just do that it's not X is not
the right word but previous chair and
[2:00:02] previous clerk was yeah we can figure
something
[2:00:04] out maybe just put the dates that they
from what date they participated
[2:00:11] in
yeah or you could just leave it alone
[2:00:15] unless they have any objection to what
no no one left on any objection so no
[2:00:20] yeah I'm guessing David gold
is a fan and Mrs zeri I think would oh I
[2:00:25] would leave their names there I yeah I
think you got to leave their names but
[2:00:28] if somebody has an idea on in the next
12 hours what we should do we can do it
[2:00:33] yeah so uh just so the document's going
to be final tomorrow yeah final
[2:00:41] edits and then you said hard copies for
town meeting members do we have nothing
[2:00:45] to do with that you have nothing to do
when the books go out that's oh okay so
[2:00:50] it's not going to it'll be in the book
obviously but it's not going to be a
[2:00:53] separate document not that I'm aware of
Michelle is that they will be they
[2:00:59] they'll have two mailings they'll have
an email with the documents
[2:01:02] electronically they will get hard copies
also and they'll get the book yes
[2:01:09] they'll get a hard copy of the charter
yes a Redline copy will be as as part of
[2:01:15] the book as uh I I don't sometimes it's
not part of the book sometimes that's an
[2:01:21] attachment
I'm not sure how how it's being copied
[2:01:25] but there will be a hard copy presented
to every town meeting member with a
[2:01:31] mailed packet to them okay okay so Mich
this is a detail I guess because the
[2:01:39] the finance committee report comes out
two weeks before town
[2:01:45] meeting that would be the middle of the
first week of October
[2:01:52] uh my pre Precinct 15 is going to be
meeting the week before that mm so and
[2:01:59] they're going to probably want at least
a
[2:02:02] week to look at it before we have a
Precinct caucus yeah we've been
[2:02:08] instructed by ANF to get them the
document by 11: a. tomorrow is our
[2:02:15] deadline
okay all right
[2:02:20] and put you up anybody that's having an
early caucus is probably going to have
[2:02:24] to download it yeah they have to get it
off the website unless unless to get a
[2:02:30] hard copy mail ahead of time when will
the town meeting members get it on the
[2:02:35] website I don't know I don't know the
mailing date but we have to have it to
[2:02:40] them by tomorrow okay
yeah when will it be available online
[2:02:48] tomorrow tomorrow oh tomorrow tomorrow
you guys gotta let me go home so I can
[2:02:53] work on it all right I think uh there's
nothing further on the agenda is
[2:02:57] everyone happy with new and old business
yeah Okay then if that's the case um is
[2:03:03] there a motion to
adjourn motion to
[2:03:07] adjourn second doesn't need to be
seconded all in favor thank you very
[2:03:12] much