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Which is fine.

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That's cool. I know we just, I'll get outta your way.

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Connect streaming software to go live.

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That was just my trick because I think goes live.

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Just wanna make sure.

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Hello?

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Oh, gotcha. Okay.

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Good evening everyone. Good evening.

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We would like to call the meeting and open it now.

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If everybody would kindly stand,

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we'll say the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Pledge of Allegiance to the United States

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Republic for which, which stands, one Nation under God,

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individual with liberty, routine justice.

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Our problem.

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Well, happy New Year everyone,

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and we wanna thank you for being here.

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'cause we find it very important for us

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to do community conversations with not only the citizens,

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the city commissioners

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and the city administration team

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in the back and on the side.

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We're very blessed here in the city of Plymouth

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to have a phenomenal city,

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or a phenomenal administrative team,

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and as well as our city commissioners.

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Would you all like to introduce yourselves

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for everyone since we don't have name tags

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that anybody could actually read?

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We'll start with you, Jen. Alright.

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My name is Jennifer Keho

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and I've lived in the city for, oh, uh,

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25 years or so.

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And, um, this is my second term. Uh, and that's about it.

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Thanks,

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Brockman. Uh,

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this is, uh, my third year at this point, my first term.

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Uh, hey everybody, I'm Alana McGuire.

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I'm a city commissioner, of course.

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Uh, I'm in my second term.

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I was just reelected, uh, last fall

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and, uh, I'm a lifelong Plymouth person, so there you go.

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Hi, I am Karen Sisolak.

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I was just elected this past November.

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I was on the planning commission for eight years.

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Um, I've been in living in Plymouth, my family since 1998.

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Thank you.

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I'm Joe Elliott. I am also newly elected.

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Um, I've lived in Plymouth since 1992, so, uh, going on, uh,

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30, uh, four years.

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It's crazy. Um, we've raised our kids and family here.

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Um, I am just, uh,

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stepping down from the zoning board of appeals.

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I was on that board for 10 years

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and now kind of moving up to the, uh,

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the big board here. So, thanks.

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And I'm Linda Sak. I'm your mayor.

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Um, I've lived in the city for over 32 years,

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and I served

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as a volunteer on the Historical District Committee,

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uh, for three years.

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And then I've been on the commission for four.

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I'm on my sec second term,

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and I'm starting my third year of the second term.

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So we wanna thank you all for being here,

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because for us, we want you to know that we hear you

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and we wanna know what you have to say.

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So it's very important for us to listen to

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what are your concerns

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or things that you wish to share with us.

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Um, our team will be documenting real time up on the list.

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And so if there are things

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that you think other people are bringing up

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or we're hearing it multiple times, maybe you might want

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to take the second or third or fourth thing on your list.

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We may at a certain point ask you to all raise your hands

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because it's important for us then to see

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how many have the same concerns,

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because in a few weeks we're gonna be working on our one

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year strategic plan.

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And so for us, we're gonna use these as our guidelines

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as we move forward

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and start to formulate the one year strategic plan.

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And then, um, in the subsequent year,

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we'll be working on our five year for all of us here.

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We all have the same thing at heart.

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We all live here, we love it here,

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and we wanna make sure we maintain what we have,

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but continue to improve what we can.

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And so that's why we wanna come, come together

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and to listen to what you have to say.

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We have some housekeeping issues,

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so I'm gonna let my colleague, our mayor,

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pro tem Joe, go ahead and address.

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Chris took my microphone.

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Um, so for housekeeping, um, it's important

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that you do speak, step up to the microphone to speak.

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Um, we are, um, we are not broadcasting this live,

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but we are recording this.

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So, um, all of your neighbors

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who can't be here tonight will get a chance just to, uh,

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to see this and they can view it

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and they can also, uh, email or call and,

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and send in their concerns if any of their issues.

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Don't make it on the list. So it's important

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that you step up to the microphone so we can hear you.

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Um, this, uh, you'll notice there is no

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three minute timer here.

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Uh, we want you to, uh, feel free to express your,

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your views and express the, your concerns.

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of people here tonight and we wanna make sure

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everyone gets a chance to talk.

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So, um, if, if you've got a couple of things, uh,

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that you'd like to, to speak about, please,

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uh, feel free to do so.

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But then maybe you can come back again later on

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after everyone else has had a chance.

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So, uh, again, just be courteous and, uh,

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and make sure that your neighbors have a chance to speak.

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Um, I think that's about it.

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The other thing is, um, we are, this is not intended

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to be a one-way dialogue.

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We're gonna listen and we'll probably have a little bit

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of back and forth questions, uh, for you.

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Um, but the, we're not here to answer

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and solve all the problems tonight.

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Uh, we are trying to just find out what things concern you.

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And again, as Linda mentioned, we are preparing

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to do our one year tasks.

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And it's important that, uh, we get

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as much input from the community as possible.

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So that's what this is all about.

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Um, I think I covered everything. Is there anything else?

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Let's make it a positive night.

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Let's, let's enjoy this and, and let's go.

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They say I have a big mouth.

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Um, let's go with positivity as we move forward.

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And next we're gonna lob it over to our city manager, Chris,

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and he's going to give us some historical value.

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All right, good evening everyone. Thanks for being here.

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Um, my task tonight is a bit twofold.

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Uh, number one is to kind of walk us through how we kind

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of got to this point tonight.

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And we're gonna go backwards in time a few years,

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and I'll bring all of us

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through the last four years into year number five

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of our strategic plan.

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And then I'm also gonna play kind of the role of the mc.

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So my job is just to help, uh, facilitate,

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but not to necessarily, um, tell you how

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to run the operation, if you will.

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We have two microphones up here

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and, you know, if there's a line

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or people wanna jump up, that's all great.

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Um, as the commission stated, we'd love

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to hear from everyone.

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Uh, if you would like to give us your name

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and address, that's helpful in case we

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need to follow up with you.

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And with that, we also wanted to share some

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of the information that we prepared for you.

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So we'll cover this packet in just a second.

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But the sheet that I wanted to cover first is just some

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of the contact info of city staff.

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So it's the blue sheet that's out on the front table.

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Um, or I'm sorry, it's the white sheet

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with the blue kind of header to it.

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That's what I'm trying to say.

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Um, it has phone numbers, email addresses,

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and kind of a, a pretty good representation

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or cross section of city departments.

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Not all of the departments made it on one sheet

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because we were running outta space,

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sorry, clerk's department.

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was give you an opportunity to have some

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of our contact info kind of on a one pager so

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that whether you have questions following tonight,

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there's staff people that you can reach out to,

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whether you have questions throughout the course

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of any given year, any week

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or any day that something comes up, we wanted

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to give you some info to be able to contact us directly.

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Um, we also put the city commission's group

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email address on it.

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So if you have more of a policy style question,

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then you can reach all of the city commission all at once.

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It's commission@plymouthmi.gov.

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It's in the bottom right hand corner.

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Um, and then all of them get the same email so that,

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you know, it's not gonna fall on deaf ears.

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They can all see it at the same time.

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So with that said, let me walk you through very briefly

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the five year strategic plan.

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So as you see up at the top, it is the 22

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to 27 strategic plan, which means we are in the last year

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of our current strategic plan.

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And in 27, we will start again with a new five-year plan.

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So as we went through the process, it culminated into

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what we call the four goal areas.

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Sustainable infrastructure, staff development, training

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and succession planning, community connectivity

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and attractable livable community.

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Those were kind of the four pillars

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with which we organized everything from our key objectives,

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which I'll cover in just a second, all the way down

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to the one year task, which are really the priorities

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for any given year.

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So to get there, we looked at the key objectives

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through the, uh, sustainable infrastructure.

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And I'm not going to, um, read them to you.

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We're all adults in here,

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but you can kind of see them up on the board.

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And I wasn't going to share all

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of the key infrastructures in the packet,

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but what I wanted to share in the packet with you is

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what the one year tasks were for this current year.

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Okay. Just making sure it jumped ahead.

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So if you look at sustainable infrastructure,

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you will see everything from, uh,

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getting the generator here at the

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cultural center up and running.

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And that was the task that we

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did complete in this current year.

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But you also see some of the things at the bottom

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of the page that we did not get to, some of which may be

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because it really extended beyond a one year task.

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We just flat out didn't get to it and didn't get it done.

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that we may not have completed

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and how those may translate into the current

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year that we're in right now.

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And those may end up back on the list.

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because we didn't get done doesn't mean

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that it goes away forever.

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Those will all be discussed, uh,

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'cause we put those on the list

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for consideration in this upcoming coming year.

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So when you look at something like begin the construction on

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the mausoleum upgrade project number two up on the list

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staff has spent a considerable amount of time, uh,

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with the commission's support

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to take a look at the feasibility of doing some of the work

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to retrofit the granite out there.

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But to find companies

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that actually can do the work has been very challenging.

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So it's in process,

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but we're no work close to getting that done right.

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The second, so when we jump ahead,

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we look at staff development

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and you can see the, um,

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eight key objectives that are listed there.

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Everything from training opportunities to, um,

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flex scheduling and internship.

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And then you will see, oops, sorry.

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When we look at the one year task, the eight

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that we have up there, they all track towards the key

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objectives and ultimately the goal area.

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So you kind of see how it's like

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that funnel style goal area.

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Key objectives do one year tasks.

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So again, those are the ones

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that we've completed in this last year.

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And it's also reflected in your packet, uh, if it's easier

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to read it in front of you.

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Uh, the ones that are in progress,

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luckily we've accomplished all those, so

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that why that one's blank.

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When we move to community connectivity,

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these are really a lot of our partnerships.

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Uh, public private partnerships, partnerships with other,

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uh, organizations, governmental entities.

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And those are the key objectives as you see on the screen.

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When we look at some of the one year tests,

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that's everything from sponsoring

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or getting sponsorships for, uh,

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the DDA summer concert series to hosting Citizens Academy.

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And then some of the things that we didn't get done,

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but um, are still in progress would be discussing

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Wayne County Public Transit.

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So be on the lookout for that as a possible, uh,

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ballot initiative, uh,

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coming from the county later this year.

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And then finally last

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but not not least, is the attractable livable communities.

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Again, the key objectives is trying to make sure

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that we have vibrant downtown areas, uh,

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that includes downtown as well as the old village area,

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that they're both vibrant

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and, uh, both successful in their own rights.

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Sorry about that. There we go.

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Uh, some of the one year tasks that we completed is adopting

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of the master plan

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and, uh, having a bit

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of a direction on if there's gonna be a

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social district, an old village.

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And then last but not least is

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what we didn't get finished this year.

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And those are some of the in progress ones.

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Um, and some of those are much further along than others.

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A good example would be coordinate with Wayne County

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on a pedestrian study along Mill Street.

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If the weather would cooperate a little bit better,

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we're gonna paint, um,

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a better crosswalk at Mill and Liberty Street.

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Uh, the county signed off on the permit

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and, um, thanks to their partnership

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with us, fast tracked it for us.

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So that is a very, very brief

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and very quick kind of synopsis of where we are at

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in the last five years to get to tonight.

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So tonight, uh, as the commission said,

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they're very interested in hearing from you folks about

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what's important to you and

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what you think they should be considering as they look to,

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uh, start putting together the one year task

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in their strategic plan.

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This is not meant to be, um, the formal process

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as was mentioned earlier.

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So please don't feel like you need me

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to raise your hand and come on up.

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Just come on up. We're all adults here.

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We'd love to hear from everyone. We'll jot some notes down.

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Um, we're gonna put the ideas

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as best we possibly can in real time up on the screen.

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So if you came up

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and you said, I'd like to talk about potholes

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or whatever, we'll put it up there

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and then I'm gonna ask, Hey, what about everyone else?

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Do you guys think that is an issue?

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And I, and respectfully,

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if you guys would help raise your hand,

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I wanna just do a quick count.

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'cause we'd like to put that number up there as well.

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Um, that is a way that we can help kind of

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relatively prioritized, just as a quick count of

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how many people are kind of signing up

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or saying, yes, that is important to me.

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Also, I don't want you to think that if you raise your hand,

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you can't come up and speak.

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It's just a way to say, there might be 27

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or 37 people that say, yes, that's important,

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or there might be an issue where there, you know,

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it's important to two people.

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I'm not saying it's less important,

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but it is just a way to help kind of get a rough idea,

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um, for some numbers.

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That's all that's for.

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Um, but I wanted to share that with everyone.

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So with that said, you guys have heard my spiel.

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Uh, we do have a number of staff people here that are happy

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to try to answer questions,

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but realistically, if you have questions

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that require a discussion,

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and what I mean by that is something

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that city staff can assist in getting you an answer

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or getting you to the right place, we're happy to do that

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during staff time as well.

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I don't wanna limit you

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and say, please don't ask that tonight.

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But I think the, the, the flavor for tonight is

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to share ideas of what's important to you folks.

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And like I said, we have the contact info.

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So please feel free to reach out to any of us, um,

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after this meeting tomorrow, next week, whatever it is.

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And I'm not saying don't say it at the mic, microphone,

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I'm just saying it's another opportunity for folks.

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Make sense? All right, I'm gonna step off to the side.

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I will help facilitate this the best that I can.

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We would love to hear from folks who wants to start us off.

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Come on. Is that working? Okay, great.

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Thank you.

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Hello everybody. Uh, long time, no c Jen

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and Karen, Joe and the rest of you.

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Congrats for doing this once again.

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Um, basically for those of you who might not recognize me,

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I was on the planning commission from 2015

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to 2025, so a fairly long way.

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And, uh, one of my pet projects was to, uh,

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get, uh, Plymouth zoning moved in the right direction

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and into the 21st century, so to speak.

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And, uh, one of the best ways there is now is, uh,

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using form-based code.

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How many of you know what form-based code is

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or have heard of it at least?

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Okay, that that's a start.

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At least, uh, half of you in here have have heard it.

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So that's what we're trying to get going in Plymouth.

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And during, uh, the city commission, they passed, uh,

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a zoning audit, uh, study to go through our zoning codes

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and find out all the low hanging fruit

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and things that could be easily fixed

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and things that would be more difficult.

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And one of the components was to do a test case

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of a form-based code.

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And through a lot of discussion, we decided

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that Old Village would probably be the best place to

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institute this first, uh, form-based code.

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And, uh, uh,

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when I wasn't reappointed in 2025, I thought, oh no,

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I didn't, didn't get to send this across the finish line.

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So I would encourage the commission to not

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take your foot off the gas

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and trying to move this thing along

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because, uh, we don't want Plymouth to fall

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behind all the other communities around metro Detroit

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and outside of Metro Detroit that have

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instituted form-based codes in some degree.

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And they're greatly benefiting from these.

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Probably the biggest benefit of form-based code is that

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it's predictable, you know, know what you're going to get

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before something even gets going.

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And that helps out people who live in the community as well

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as developers who don't arrive in a community

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and go, oh, we want to do this.

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And we had no idea that nobody wanted something like that.

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And we've all seen what happens when, when that happens, uh,

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fairly recently, but not make a long story short.

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Um, I would encourage you to

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move the zoning ordinances forward, modernize,

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let's get Plymouth into the 21st century.

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And I have put in my application if, uh,

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there's any vacancies for planning commission.

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So I'm ready to go if you need a a player.

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Thank you very much for bringing your yourself up

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for the first person to speak.

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We appreciate that.

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Can I just respond for a second, Scott?

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Uh, obviously, so Scott

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and I actually started on the planning

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commission right around the same time.

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Um, and I have every intention of, of

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trying to move forward in a really timely manner

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with rezoning because I mean, you

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and I both know that so many things have been built,

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frankly, where they don't belong

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because we haven't been able to get the zoning, um,

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caught up to where it needs to be.

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And it is a long, tedious, hard process,

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and I don't want to slow down on on this.

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I, I think that, um, you know, if people want to, um,

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uh, to know what's going on, come to every

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planning commission meeting and be there, um,

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and pay attention, show up, ask questions.

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Greta is a fan right over there.

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She's our city planner and she's a fantastic resource.

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So if you have have questions, um, direct them towards her

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or I mean, you can contact us,

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we'll probably send you to her.

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Um, but, uh, I think that for me, that's one of, uh,

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that's on, uh, one, one of the, the top top few of things

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that I, I like to do.

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Yeah, I would agree with that entirely.

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And, and that it, it takes a long, long time to get

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that going because life happens

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and things come across the planning commissions city

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commission and you, you have to handle those things.

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So the zoning reform

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or moving it along is a long-term process.

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So, uh, keeping that ball rolling is,

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is the name of the big game.

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If Yeah, if I could add

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a comment to that really quick too.

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I, I agree. And, and thanks for your comment, Scott,

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and your work on that, uh, in the past.

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And I think something we as a commission need to think about

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for one year goal setting is the amount of tasks

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that we put on a other board,

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especially the planning commission, you know,

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last year I think one

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of the issues we ran into is just the amount

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of work we tried to push through.

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We have the master plan, which is already a huge our deal in

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and of itself, but also talk, talk, trying to talk about

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ADUs accessory dwelling units

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and finding the rules around those.

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And also the residential compatibility ordinance

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and also this, I mean, in the, the zoning audit,

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there's a lot of different things.

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So I think we as a commission when we talk about this, need

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to figure out what the priorities are, um, instead

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of just trying to get everything on the list. So

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Yeah, And we've also have, each

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of the city commissioners are liaisons

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to the different committees.

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Like Joe is our liaison to the planning commission.

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Brock is our alternate liaison to the planning commission.

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And, and, um, as we continue, oh, I'm sorry, Jen is, sorry,

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Brock is with, uh, uh, ZBA.

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Yeah. Um, trying to memorize 'em all.

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Um, and so everybody has multiple different commissions

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that they're, they're the liaison

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for us as, as a commission.

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And as we begin our dialogue, we'll be relying on each other

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as well as the administrative team so that we can get

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to the finish line on things.

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Yeah, and that's, that's worked out well in the past,

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having someone from the city commission in the meeting while

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it's going on for the planning commission.

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So there's no lag effect on getting messages to and from.

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So that, that's very helpful.

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Thank you. Appreciate your input.

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Scott, I wanna, I wanna personally thank you for one

512
00:52:36,685 --> 00:52:39,405
bringing up form-based codes, um, at the,

513
00:52:39,705 --> 00:52:42,405
the master plan we had before the one we just approved.

514
00:52:42,625 --> 00:52:44,005
You really, um, were the,

515
00:52:44,005 --> 00:52:46,205
you driving force forward and brought it along.

516
00:52:46,205 --> 00:52:47,885
And I know you educated me, we used to meet

517
00:52:47,885 --> 00:52:51,165
with grad all the time and, um, it, it's been a long slog.

518
00:52:51,545 --> 00:52:54,165
So, um, uh, I, I can't commend you enough for

519
00:52:54,165 --> 00:52:57,045
how much you have brought to the planning commission in

520
00:52:57,045 --> 00:52:58,125
your years of service there.

521
00:52:58,225 --> 00:52:59,925
And, uh, I really appreciate it and

522
00:53:00,025 --> 00:53:02,045
and appreciate what you brought

523
00:53:02,045 --> 00:53:03,365
to the table and your expertise.

524
00:53:03,465 --> 00:53:04,805
So thank you for all those years

525
00:53:05,025 --> 00:53:06,205
and thanks for bringing it up

526
00:53:06,205 --> 00:53:08,525
because I think it's a difficult conversation.

527
00:53:09,145 --> 00:53:11,045
Um, zoning is a ton of work

528
00:53:11,105 --> 00:53:12,965
and I think, as Brock said, we have to be careful.

529
00:53:13,065 --> 00:53:14,445
We don't, don't over commit

530
00:53:14,705 --> 00:53:16,925
to things we can't have the capacity to do,

531
00:53:17,505 --> 00:53:19,485
but it is something that, you're right, we have

532
00:53:19,485 --> 00:53:20,885
to prioritize that we're moving forward.

533
00:53:21,065 --> 00:53:24,005
So the city develops in a way that we're all happy with it

534
00:53:24,225 --> 00:53:25,365
and we're moving forward

535
00:53:25,985 --> 00:53:28,165
and, um, you know, the systems are happy,

536
00:53:28,165 --> 00:53:31,005
the developers are happy and, and, and we improve

537
00:53:31,065 --> 00:53:33,605
and we make the city viable for

538
00:53:33,605 --> 00:53:34,965
what the future is bringing us.

539
00:53:35,025 --> 00:53:36,085
So, but thank you you

540
00:53:36,085 --> 00:53:37,245
because you really were the one

541
00:53:37,245 --> 00:53:38,605
that brought form-based codes

542
00:53:39,065 --> 00:53:41,005
to the table years ago, so thanks.

543
00:53:41,345 --> 00:53:42,765
Oh, thanks Karen. Very nice.

544
00:53:43,425 --> 00:53:48,245
Um, yeah, it's, uh, hopefully we can get that going one

545
00:53:48,245 --> 00:53:50,885
of these days and, uh, everybody here knows

546
00:53:50,885 --> 00:53:53,845
how difficult it is can to get these things moving along.

547
00:53:53,845 --> 00:53:55,205
But thank you. I'll, I'll let,

548
00:53:55,355 --> 00:53:57,645
I'll give up the mic for the next person. I think

549
00:53:57,645 --> 00:53:58,645
There was a late lady in The

550
00:53:59,415 --> 00:54:00,415
Thank you. I think there's a

551
00:54:00,415 --> 00:54:01,725
lady in the ba. Oh, was that you?

552
00:54:01,805 --> 00:54:03,805
I think that was in the back that came forward. Okay,

553
00:54:04,435 --> 00:54:05,435
Well thank you. Now

554
00:54:05,435 --> 00:54:06,445
I know what that means.

555
00:54:07,705 --> 00:54:10,845
Hi, I am Patty Jamison, 2 5 5 North Harvey,

556
00:54:11,935 --> 00:54:14,005
44 years in Plymouth.

557
00:54:14,005 --> 00:54:17,005
Holy moly. I was just a child when we came here.

558
00:54:17,785 --> 00:54:19,925
Um, as many of you know, and,

559
00:54:20,305 --> 00:54:24,565
and some, in some residents, I was not very active

560
00:54:25,145 --> 00:54:28,125
in the city until champion PUD.

561
00:54:29,025 --> 00:54:31,965
And for those of you that that really got to know me,

562
00:54:32,225 --> 00:54:34,885
I'm kind of, in many ways, a little bit like Karen.

563
00:54:35,045 --> 00:54:36,165
I do a lot of research

564
00:54:37,225 --> 00:54:41,325
and I have driven many of you crazy asking questions.

565
00:54:42,145 --> 00:54:44,965
Um, and I'm asking, I'm looking at Greta,

566
00:54:45,065 --> 00:54:47,445
I'm asking questions 'cause I don't know the answer.

567
00:54:47,785 --> 00:54:50,085
I'm not asking questions 'cause I'm challenging you.

568
00:54:50,415 --> 00:54:52,285
There are times I am challenging you,

569
00:54:52,305 --> 00:54:56,325
but most of the time, um, my, it's,

570
00:54:56,715 --> 00:54:58,245
it's really not a question.

571
00:54:58,725 --> 00:55:02,045
I think it's really a comment for someone that is new,

572
00:55:02,045 --> 00:55:05,045
looking at the planning commission, the city commission,

573
00:55:05,065 --> 00:55:07,045
and I commend you all.

574
00:55:07,275 --> 00:55:09,525
It's a position I would not want to have.

575
00:55:10,225 --> 00:55:14,075
The past year has been a lot, I think,

576
00:55:14,995 --> 00:55:16,835
I think we can all agree it's been a lot,

577
00:55:16,975 --> 00:55:18,155
the election's been a lot.

578
00:55:18,585 --> 00:55:20,275
It's been hard on everyone.

579
00:55:21,295 --> 00:55:24,755
For me it is, where do I find information

580
00:55:24,855 --> 00:55:26,795
and how is that communicated?

581
00:55:27,855 --> 00:55:32,715
Um, and it goes to where do I find things on the website?

582
00:55:32,975 --> 00:55:36,435
And, and Greta at the planning commission where you

583
00:55:36,995 --> 00:55:41,115
outlined everything and you had Holly start to prioritize,

584
00:55:41,185 --> 00:55:43,275
that was extremely helpful for me.

585
00:55:43,715 --> 00:55:46,035
I was extremely overwhelmed by all of that.

586
00:55:46,735 --> 00:55:49,355
But the reason I would like to talk about

587
00:55:50,015 --> 00:55:54,275
the communication piece, I noticed that you have branding,

588
00:55:54,905 --> 00:55:56,555
that you're looking at branding.

589
00:55:56,775 --> 00:56:01,275
Is it possible to look at how things are communicated

590
00:56:01,305 --> 00:56:02,315
with the residents

591
00:56:02,575 --> 00:56:05,875
and how the residents communicate back with,

592
00:56:06,065 --> 00:56:08,635
with everyone from Chris to Greta, to everyone?

593
00:56:09,255 --> 00:56:14,035
Um, I think we've come to a point at the city where

594
00:56:14,625 --> 00:56:17,805
it's, it got pretty vital for everyone.

595
00:56:18,745 --> 00:56:20,405
And I am pleased

596
00:56:20,675 --> 00:56:23,565
that we're having this communication piece tonight.

597
00:56:23,665 --> 00:56:26,125
But I'm gonna use an example of this meeting.

598
00:56:27,125 --> 00:56:30,835
I received an email about the meeting, then I saw it on the,

599
00:56:30,855 --> 00:56:32,395
on the city's website.

600
00:56:33,255 --> 00:56:37,675
Um, and then, um, I posted it on next door.

601
00:56:38,475 --> 00:56:41,155
I looked to see if the Rock had anything about the meeting

602
00:56:41,575 --> 00:56:43,075
and they posted it today.

603
00:56:44,075 --> 00:56:46,535
Um, then I looked at both political parties

604
00:56:46,535 --> 00:56:50,295
because I joined both political parties Facebook page

605
00:56:50,395 --> 00:56:53,095
during the election so I could learn about the candidates.

606
00:56:53,445 --> 00:56:55,815
Some of you know, I was very interested in learning about

607
00:56:55,815 --> 00:56:59,055
your thought process and how you made decisions.

608
00:56:59,555 --> 00:57:02,015
The Republican party did post it.

609
00:57:02,515 --> 00:57:05,135
The Democratic party never posted it at all.

610
00:57:05,515 --> 00:57:08,295
So I posted it on the Democratic party.

611
00:57:08,835 --> 00:57:12,175
So when I talk about, when I talk about communication,

612
00:57:12,845 --> 00:57:16,895
it's just not everyone's sitting here and all the residents

613
00:57:17,435 --> 00:57:19,135
and it's not all of you.

614
00:57:20,075 --> 00:57:22,335
It really has to go to

615
00:57:23,195 --> 00:57:25,975
how is the rock communicating the important issues.

616
00:57:26,245 --> 00:57:28,655
Like this meeting I think is extremely important.

617
00:57:29,715 --> 00:57:32,775
And I don't know if the DDA does things like that.

618
00:57:32,955 --> 00:57:35,615
It on the chamber, it wasn't posted on the chamber.

619
00:57:36,515 --> 00:57:39,775
So it really takes a lot of the residents to kind of jump in

620
00:57:39,775 --> 00:57:41,375
and communicate with that.

621
00:57:42,275 --> 00:57:46,455
So as you move forward, if there is some committees

622
00:57:46,455 --> 00:57:49,055
that you'd like to look at, at how we communicate

623
00:57:49,635 --> 00:57:53,615
in a positive way to move to really move forward, I,

624
00:57:53,655 --> 00:57:56,335
I don't care what party you're in, I care

625
00:57:56,405 --> 00:57:57,735
what is good for Plymouth.

626
00:57:58,155 --> 00:57:59,745
Thank you. We appreciate that. Thank you.

627
00:57:59,765 --> 00:58:02,025
And I think that's something that we can put on our list

628
00:58:02,525 --> 00:58:05,505
as we are getting ready to do our strategic plan, to look at

629
00:58:05,505 --> 00:58:07,225
how we're communicating as if there's ways

630
00:58:07,225 --> 00:58:08,825
that we can better do a better job.

631
00:58:09,405 --> 00:58:10,705
Um, and we appreciate the input.

632
00:58:12,085 --> 00:58:13,585
Can I just, uh, respond real quick too?

633
00:58:13,805 --> 00:58:17,345
Um, so, uh, Patty, for this one, we, we really, it,

634
00:58:17,345 --> 00:58:18,785
it was a short notice and,

635
00:58:18,805 --> 00:58:20,785
and that's really a part of the, the issue here.

636
00:58:21,165 --> 00:58:24,465
Um, this commission was a little bit slow getting seated

637
00:58:24,465 --> 00:58:26,905
because of the changes to state election law law.

638
00:58:27,165 --> 00:58:28,905
So we were kind of a month behind doing everything.

639
00:58:29,125 --> 00:58:30,145
And this meeting, we would

640
00:58:30,255 --> 00:58:31,505
have liked to have done it earlier.

641
00:58:32,125 --> 00:58:33,785
Um, we did it as quick as we could,

642
00:58:33,925 --> 00:58:35,985
but unfortunately that meant that the, uh,

643
00:58:35,985 --> 00:58:38,345
the notice went out, uh, just a week ago and,

644
00:58:38,445 --> 00:58:40,225
and people didn't have a lot of time to react.

645
00:58:40,245 --> 00:58:43,225
So yeah. Yeah.

646
00:58:43,285 --> 00:58:48,265
What'd she say? Mm-hmm.

647
00:58:51,975 --> 00:58:54,585
Okay. And so, um, I know you couldn't hear her,

648
00:58:54,585 --> 00:58:56,465
so she was saying, uh, even on short notice,

649
00:58:56,515 --> 00:58:58,705
there were a lot of residents here, so that's a good thing.

650
00:58:58,965 --> 00:59:00,105
But we, we just need

651
00:59:00,105 --> 00:59:03,065
to keep the focus on communicating and get it out early. So

652
00:59:03,225 --> 00:59:04,225
A hundred percent thank you. And we,

653
00:59:04,225 --> 00:59:05,825
we quickly put this together

654
00:59:05,825 --> 00:59:08,305
because it was important to us to make sure

655
00:59:08,305 --> 00:59:09,585
that we are listening to you

656
00:59:09,885 --> 00:59:11,225
before we went to our

657
00:59:11,825 --> 00:59:14,065
strategic planning session, not afterwards.

658
00:59:14,385 --> 00:59:16,265
'cause that then we can't take into consideration

659
00:59:16,455 --> 00:59:17,945
what things are important to all of you.

660
00:59:22,565 --> 00:59:23,565
Thank you. Um,

661
00:59:26,455 --> 00:59:27,795
The neighbors, residents.

662
00:59:33,915 --> 00:59:34,345
Thank you.

663
00:59:39,305 --> 00:59:40,305
Thank you.

664
00:59:40,995 --> 00:59:43,215
If I can just jump in, just a very brief

665
00:59:43,215 --> 00:59:44,255
housekeeping matter.

666
00:59:44,995 --> 00:59:46,375
We are obviously gonna try

667
00:59:46,375 --> 00:59:48,215
to do this in shorthand and bullet points.

668
00:59:48,835 --> 00:59:50,695
If you think we're mischaracterizing

669
00:59:50,715 --> 00:59:52,535
or representing what you say, please let us know.

670
00:59:52,835 --> 00:59:55,535
Um, we, we are just gonna try to keep it short

671
00:59:55,555 --> 00:59:57,855
to bullet bullet points, but if you feel like we're missing

672
00:59:57,875 --> 01:00:00,335
the mark, clarify for us, we want to get it right.

673
01:00:00,995 --> 01:00:03,095
Um, but we're just trying to do it in short bullet points.

674
01:00:03,115 --> 01:00:06,055
So if, if the message you're trying to convey is not

675
01:00:06,055 --> 01:00:08,495
what we put up there, please, please, please let us know.

676
01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:10,735
Just come over to the side or let us know.

677
01:00:10,835 --> 01:00:12,015
We, we just want to get it right.

678
01:00:17,215 --> 01:00:17,505
Okay.

679
01:00:23,935 --> 01:00:25,465
Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it,

680
01:00:26,145 --> 01:00:27,145
Sir.

681
01:00:27,425 --> 01:00:30,405
Hi, Marie Everett. Uh, 1240 Fairground.

682
01:00:31,345 --> 01:00:35,785
Um, something that is important to me,

683
01:00:36,755 --> 01:00:41,725
um, is addressing the flooding

684
01:00:41,935 --> 01:00:43,965
slash storm water issues.

685
01:00:45,455 --> 01:00:49,595
And there's a lot of things between ordinances,

686
01:00:50,095 --> 01:00:51,755
zoning, um,

687
01:00:53,765 --> 01:00:55,855
some sustainable infrastructure tasks

688
01:00:56,085 --> 01:00:57,615
that that can be added.

689
01:00:58,355 --> 01:01:02,455
Um, some things to look at with the master plan and,

690
01:01:03,145 --> 01:01:06,115
and I think maybe

691
01:01:07,635 --> 01:01:11,635
a committee or something that can work between all of those,

692
01:01:11,635 --> 01:01:14,715
because there's so many different things that can be done

693
01:01:15,335 --> 01:01:17,035
to help fix that issue.

694
01:01:18,055 --> 01:01:22,075
Um, and we need to start doing something

695
01:01:23,015 --> 01:01:24,355
sooner rather than later.

696
01:01:25,405 --> 01:01:26,405
Thanks.

697
01:01:27,455 --> 01:01:27,925
Thank you.

698
01:01:32,615 --> 01:01:34,665
Good evening. My name's Jamie Kavanaugh,

699
01:01:34,685 --> 01:01:35,905
6 1 0 Long Street.

700
01:01:36,445 --> 01:01:38,825
Um, I'm really excited to be here tonight to announce, um,

701
01:01:38,905 --> 01:01:41,465
a new group that I've just formed in here in Plymouth

702
01:01:41,485 --> 01:01:43,105
called Ybi Plymouth.

703
01:01:43,285 --> 01:01:45,345
Ybi stands for, yes, in my Backyard.

704
01:01:45,485 --> 01:01:47,665
We are pro density, pro housing.

705
01:01:48,245 --> 01:01:50,945
Um, excited to see the plans that come into,

706
01:01:51,225 --> 01:01:54,025
we're not the ones creating the plans or doing the building,

707
01:01:54,205 --> 01:01:56,265
but we recognize there's a national

708
01:01:56,285 --> 01:01:58,225
and statewide shortage of housing.

709
01:01:58,805 --> 01:01:59,945
And this is all types of housing.

710
01:01:59,955 --> 01:02:02,225
We're not talking specifically about affordable housing,

711
01:02:02,545 --> 01:02:04,665
although we support affordable housing projects as well.

712
01:02:05,325 --> 01:02:08,265
Um, but I've been really delighted at the amount of support.

713
01:02:08,405 --> 01:02:11,865
You know, I think this is really important personally.

714
01:02:11,925 --> 01:02:15,345
And just the amount of support I've felt already from the

715
01:02:15,345 --> 01:02:17,225
community, um, knowing that there's really a strong

716
01:02:17,505 --> 01:02:19,365
constituency that sees Plymouth as a place

717
01:02:19,715 --> 01:02:20,765
that should be welcoming.

718
01:02:20,855 --> 01:02:22,725
We're excited to, um, you know,

719
01:02:22,925 --> 01:02:25,525
I think increasing density is really the least

720
01:02:25,545 --> 01:02:26,645
of what we could do.

721
01:02:26,745 --> 01:02:30,125
So we're excited to just open dialogue with the commission

722
01:02:30,305 --> 01:02:32,245
and with all the committees and departments

723
01:02:32,865 --> 01:02:35,485
and, um, you know, we'll be hearing from me

724
01:02:35,485 --> 01:02:36,645
and other members of our group.

725
01:02:37,265 --> 01:02:39,165
Um, and, you know, we support local,

726
01:02:39,495 --> 01:02:40,805
we'll support local projects,

727
01:02:40,805 --> 01:02:42,485
we'll support zoning amendments,

728
01:02:42,485 --> 01:02:43,965
master plan changes, things like that.

729
01:02:44,505 --> 01:02:46,565
Um, but we'll also support statewide policy.

730
01:02:46,625 --> 01:02:48,405
And you should all know, there's, um, plan

731
01:02:48,405 --> 01:02:51,685
to be a big tranche of bills addressing house,

732
01:02:51,705 --> 01:02:53,685
the housing shortage introduced at the state level.

733
01:02:53,705 --> 01:02:56,565
And this is a bipartisan package that, um,

734
01:02:57,115 --> 01:03:00,965
will include things will probably include things like adu,

735
01:03:01,305 --> 01:03:04,605
um, requiring municipal, all municipalities to allow

736
01:03:05,355 --> 01:03:07,485
ADUs in single family zoned areas.

737
01:03:07,745 --> 01:03:09,805
And so, you know, these are, there's a lot

738
01:03:09,805 --> 01:03:11,965
of different changes that can streamline the permitting

739
01:03:11,965 --> 01:03:14,925
process and that can, um, increase density.

740
01:03:15,185 --> 01:03:17,165
And they're happening in states as different

741
01:03:17,165 --> 01:03:18,645
as Texas and California.

742
01:03:19,145 --> 01:03:21,685
Um, you know, states. So it's a bipartisan issue.

743
01:03:21,685 --> 01:03:24,645
States across the aisle are realizing that

744
01:03:25,315 --> 01:03:27,005
housing is such an important issue.

745
01:03:27,005 --> 01:03:28,845
It's such a personal issue for people.

746
01:03:29,305 --> 01:03:30,685
Um, we have very different needs at

747
01:03:30,685 --> 01:03:31,885
different stages in our lives.

748
01:03:32,085 --> 01:03:34,725
I love talking to people in Plymouth about housing

749
01:03:34,785 --> 01:03:36,965
and their thoughts and ideas and hearing of, you know,

750
01:03:36,995 --> 01:03:38,205
just all the different places

751
01:03:38,345 --> 01:03:41,645
and stages in life where you need many different options.

752
01:03:41,665 --> 01:03:42,885
So we wanna make sure that all

753
01:03:42,885 --> 01:03:45,045
of those options are available here in Plymouth

754
01:03:45,045 --> 01:03:46,365
and that we're welcoming to the

755
01:03:46,365 --> 01:03:47,645
biggest number of people possible.

756
01:03:48,135 --> 01:03:50,025
Thank you. Thank

757
01:03:50,025 --> 01:03:51,025
You.

758
01:03:55,505 --> 01:03:59,315
Okay. Uh, Patty McCoy. I live at five 20 Maria Drive.

759
01:03:59,475 --> 01:04:04,315
I came to advocate for, um, um, getting food composting,

760
01:04:05,155 --> 01:04:07,695
um, available for all of our residents.

761
01:04:08,035 --> 01:04:09,655
Um, I've lived in Plymouth for a long time,

762
01:04:09,755 --> 01:04:13,335
so I can remember when they rolled out the curbside

763
01:04:13,535 --> 01:04:17,485
recycling and the, um, either the bags

764
01:04:17,505 --> 01:04:19,685
or the tags for your garbage can.

765
01:04:20,305 --> 01:04:21,765
Um, and I remember

766
01:04:21,765 --> 01:04:25,525
that the recycling initiative really cut down on the amount

767
01:04:25,545 --> 01:04:27,725
of garbage people were throwing out.

768
01:04:28,305 --> 01:04:33,085
So currently I pay for the service that is available, um,

769
01:04:33,275 --> 01:04:36,125
Midtown, that gives you a five gallon bucket.

770
01:04:36,865 --> 01:04:38,485
You fill it up with your food waste,

771
01:04:38,665 --> 01:04:40,485
you put it out once a week, they come

772
01:04:40,505 --> 01:04:43,285
and they, they take the bucket, they give you a clean one,

773
01:04:43,585 --> 01:04:47,685
and that has cut down my garbage that I put out,

774
01:04:48,585 --> 01:04:50,005
um, at least in half.

775
01:04:51,815 --> 01:04:54,275
And so if we could do that citywide,

776
01:04:54,545 --> 01:04:57,635
because you know, currently we see that in our communities

777
01:04:58,465 --> 01:05:02,595
that border us, they have, you know, issues with, you know,

778
01:05:03,035 --> 01:05:04,315
landfills are getting filled up.

779
01:05:05,055 --> 01:05:07,515
And if we could do that, it would cut down a lot of,

780
01:05:08,855 --> 01:05:10,995
not only, only the garbage that is put out,

781
01:05:10,995 --> 01:05:13,875
which I know is a big issue for some people, like trying

782
01:05:13,875 --> 01:05:14,915
to reduce our garbage.

783
01:05:15,695 --> 01:05:20,525
But when you have, if you had something more sustainable

784
01:05:20,625 --> 01:05:25,205
for everybody, then it might be a little, um, neater.

785
01:05:25,485 --> 01:05:27,325
I know people have talked about like rats

786
01:05:27,465 --> 01:05:31,485
and like those, the buckets they use are like animal proof.

787
01:05:32,905 --> 01:05:34,645
So that's what I came to talk about.

788
01:05:34,755 --> 01:05:36,285
Just if we could get that going.

789
01:05:37,085 --> 01:05:39,765
I know that it was on the list of, um, like

790
01:05:39,785 --> 01:05:42,885
for kitchen waste, but I would really like to advocate

791
01:05:42,905 --> 01:05:45,045
for a citywide type of program.

792
01:05:46,805 --> 01:05:49,545
Thanks, actually, Patty, if I could respond to that. Okay.

793
01:05:49,645 --> 01:05:51,865
Uh, so the reason why that composting is on their first

794
01:05:51,865 --> 01:05:53,025
place is because of me.

795
01:05:54,205 --> 01:05:56,145
Uh, it's been, uh, kinda a passion project

796
01:05:56,205 --> 01:05:57,545
of mine since I joined the commission.

797
01:05:58,085 --> 01:06:00,105
Um, when I started, uh, Chris

798
01:06:00,105 --> 01:06:02,665
and our DMS were able to partner with Midtown

799
01:06:03,085 --> 01:06:05,745
to get a discount for new Plymouth residents

800
01:06:05,765 --> 01:06:06,785
who sign up for their service.

801
01:06:06,925 --> 01:06:09,305
And I also use that same composter,

802
01:06:09,605 --> 01:06:12,385
but I would love to see us try to expand that as well.

803
01:06:12,385 --> 01:06:14,465
That's gonna be something I'm gonna try to advocate

804
01:06:14,485 --> 01:06:15,945
for on the commission this year.

805
01:06:16,725 --> 01:06:19,385
Um, maybe even doing something like we could bring

806
01:06:19,495 --> 01:06:20,865
compost to DMS yard.

807
01:06:20,985 --> 01:06:22,865
I don't know. We have to explore more options though,

808
01:06:22,865 --> 01:06:24,545
because it really is the biggest contributor

809
01:06:24,605 --> 01:06:28,345
to greenhouse gases in terms of like landfill inputs.

810
01:06:28,765 --> 01:06:30,505
And honestly, it's something that

811
01:06:31,165 --> 01:06:33,265
on an individual level every one

812
01:06:33,265 --> 01:06:34,345
of us can make a difference with.

813
01:06:34,445 --> 01:06:35,665
So I completely agree.

814
01:06:36,165 --> 01:06:38,065
Uh, there's some other sustainability issues

815
01:06:38,065 --> 01:06:39,185
that I had thought out of

816
01:06:39,185 --> 01:06:40,665
that other communities have been doing.

817
01:06:41,125 --> 01:06:42,585
Um, like battery recycling.

818
01:06:42,615 --> 01:06:44,465
Livonia has stations available now

819
01:06:44,475 --> 01:06:46,265
where you can take your dead batteries

820
01:06:46,285 --> 01:06:47,905
and get rid of them safely.

821
01:06:48,165 --> 01:06:51,065
And that's other waste that doesn't belong in our landfills

822
01:06:51,065 --> 01:06:52,585
and is huge contaminant.

823
01:06:52,685 --> 01:06:56,385
So there are things that I want us to, to do and to pursue.

824
01:06:56,405 --> 01:06:59,305
So I, I do, when we go into our strategic planning session,

825
01:06:59,775 --> 01:07:01,625
I'll be talking about this with my colleagues,

826
01:07:01,645 --> 01:07:03,465
but thank you very much for Thank you.

827
01:07:03,465 --> 01:07:04,465
Your comments.

828
01:07:05,415 --> 01:07:08,265
Yeah, I guess if I can add to that too, um, yeah,

829
01:07:08,305 --> 01:07:12,185
I think the, the food composting, um, uh,

830
01:07:12,295 --> 01:07:13,745
partnership that we did was great.

831
01:07:13,785 --> 01:07:15,185
A discount for city residents.

832
01:07:15,325 --> 01:07:17,065
Um, and, uh, you know,

833
01:07:17,105 --> 01:07:19,345
I think there are other option opportunities for us too

834
01:07:19,345 --> 01:07:21,505
that we'll definitely talk at at one year goal setting.

835
01:07:21,605 --> 01:07:23,425
But you know, also education

836
01:07:23,605 --> 01:07:25,345
for residents on if they have the space

837
01:07:25,345 --> 01:07:26,625
and can do gardening on their own,

838
01:07:26,625 --> 01:07:29,225
like just the educational resources that are there.

839
01:07:29,225 --> 01:07:30,865
And, you know, there are plenty of people in the community

840
01:07:30,865 --> 01:07:32,545
that do that right now, so just getting the information

841
01:07:32,545 --> 01:07:33,665
to people is another option too.

842
01:07:33,805 --> 01:07:35,825
So a lot to discuss there for sure.

843
01:07:42,155 --> 01:07:46,785
Thank you. Hi, my, my name is Luke Callier.

844
01:07:46,785 --> 01:07:48,985
Thank you guys for, uh, giving us the opportunity to speak.

845
01:07:49,285 --> 01:07:51,585
Um, uh, I'm no longer a Plymouth resident.

846
01:07:51,665 --> 01:07:53,305
I just did move out to Garden City, but, uh,

847
01:07:53,305 --> 01:07:56,585
before I did, um, live, uh, in Plymouth, uh,

848
01:07:56,645 --> 01:07:58,105
my concern's gonna be a little different.

849
01:07:58,205 --> 01:07:59,425
Um, I just wanna lie.

850
01:07:59,685 --> 01:08:01,945
Um, outline of background for the residents,

851
01:08:01,945 --> 01:08:03,865
as this is issue involves multiple agencies

852
01:08:03,865 --> 01:08:05,025
and significant public money.

853
01:08:05,405 --> 01:08:07,745
Um, but in 2022, the Michigan Secretary

854
01:08:07,745 --> 01:08:10,385
of State get referred to campaign finance matter involving

855
01:08:10,445 --> 01:08:13,545
the non-profit, uh, bipartisan Solutions Incorporated

856
01:08:14,085 --> 01:08:15,645
for potential criminal review.

857
01:08:15,705 --> 01:08:19,405
Uh, the nonprofit provided approximately $782,000 in

858
01:08:19,405 --> 01:08:21,125
financial support to fair

859
01:08:21,125 --> 01:08:23,445
and equal Michigan a ballot com, uh, committee

860
01:08:23,445 --> 01:08:25,285
that was co-chaired by Ms. McGuire at that time.

861
01:08:25,785 --> 01:08:27,245
Uh, she was not, um,

862
01:08:27,345 --> 01:08:28,285
to my understanding a city

863
01:08:28,285 --> 01:08:29,365
commissioner when this took place.

864
01:08:30,025 --> 01:08:33,485
Um, the, the concern here is not about, uh,

865
01:08:33,635 --> 01:08:35,205
holding local office at the time,

866
01:08:35,305 --> 01:08:39,205
but about the process of transparency, uh, sorry.

867
01:08:39,205 --> 01:08:40,405
The Secretary of State believed

868
01:08:40,405 --> 01:08:41,925
that the matter was serious enough to escalate

869
01:08:41,925 --> 01:08:43,805
beyond civil enforcement, which is not routine

870
01:08:43,805 --> 01:08:45,125
for campaign finance matters,

871
01:08:45,505 --> 01:08:47,085
and is reserved for cases that go above

872
01:08:47,085 --> 01:08:49,445
and beyond reporting viola, uh, reporting violations.

873
01:08:50,065 --> 01:08:52,605
Uh, public reporting indicates that,

874
01:08:52,665 --> 01:08:54,325
uh, referral did not proceed.

875
01:08:54,665 --> 01:08:57,165
Uh, and the handling of this matter is now subject of, uh,

876
01:08:57,395 --> 01:08:58,565
legislative oversight.

877
01:08:58,905 --> 01:09:01,965
Uh, specifically the House Oversight Committee held the, uh,

878
01:09:01,965 --> 01:09:04,085
public hearing on December 16th, uh,

879
01:09:04,085 --> 01:09:06,205
during which Michigan lawmakers reviewed internal

880
01:09:06,445 --> 01:09:07,445
communications and subpoenaed

881
01:09:07,445 --> 01:09:11,205
and materials related to the campaign finance referral, um,

882
01:09:12,615 --> 01:09:17,605
and how sorry, uh, during the Michigan lawmaker, uh,

883
01:09:17,605 --> 01:09:19,205
during the hearing,

884
01:09:19,485 --> 01:09:21,525
Michigan lawmakers reviewed internal communications

885
01:09:21,525 --> 01:09:24,525
and subpoenaed materials, uh, related to this kind, uh,

886
01:09:24,765 --> 01:09:26,605
campaign finance referral on how it was handled

887
01:09:26,625 --> 01:09:28,805
by the Attorney General's office, including questions that,

888
01:09:29,425 --> 01:09:31,245
uh, about conflict safeguards

889
01:09:31,345 --> 01:09:34,325
and process integrity as part of the oversight process.

890
01:09:34,425 --> 01:09:35,525
The house or site, uh,

891
01:09:35,525 --> 01:09:38,445
committee later passed a motion related to the contempt

892
01:09:38,445 --> 01:09:40,685
after determining the Attorney General's office did not

893
01:09:40,685 --> 01:09:43,445
fully comply with the legislative subpoenas connected

894
01:09:43,445 --> 01:09:46,525
to this matter, uh, is also public matter that the, uh,

895
01:09:46,555 --> 01:09:49,005
that the record that there's also a, a matter

896
01:09:49,245 --> 01:09:51,805
of public record that Commissioner McGuire is, um, married

897
01:09:51,905 --> 01:09:55,165
to Michigan Attorney General Dana Nestle, whose office, uh,

898
01:09:55,225 --> 01:09:57,525
had of, had authority over the this matter.

899
01:09:58,065 --> 01:10:01,805
Uh, it is, uh, a matter of public, sorry, uh,

900
01:10:01,885 --> 01:10:03,765
I wanna be clear that I'm not alleging any wrongdoing.

901
01:10:03,765 --> 01:10:06,005
However, when large sums of public, uh,

902
01:10:06,265 --> 01:10:08,965
of non-profit public funding, campaign finance

903
01:10:09,105 --> 01:10:10,965
and, uh, enforcement decisions in close

904
01:10:11,765 --> 01:10:13,685
personal relationships intersect, uh,

905
01:10:13,685 --> 01:10:16,125
when those matters becomes subject of legislative subpoenas

906
01:10:16,125 --> 01:10:18,045
and public hearings, residents, uh,

907
01:10:18,045 --> 01:10:19,845
reasonably expect transparency and clarity.

908
01:10:20,305 --> 01:10:24,405
Uh, so my question is how we, uh, uh, with this history, uh,

909
01:10:24,405 --> 01:10:27,045
how we ensure Plymouth residents can, uh, have confidence

910
01:10:27,045 --> 01:10:28,805
and ethical judgment as a city Commissioner,

911
01:10:30,995 --> 01:10:32,505
Thank you so much for being here tonight.

912
01:10:32,505 --> 01:10:33,505
Thank you. It took a lot. Thank

913
01:10:33,505 --> 01:10:34,985
You so much for your script that you've read out,

914
01:10:35,085 --> 01:10:37,145
and I have no comment on anything that you've had to say.

915
01:10:37,145 --> 01:10:37,825
Alright, thank you.

916
01:10:42,375 --> 01:10:44,595
Hi, I'm Jane Benson, eight 14 Dear Court,

917
01:10:45,355 --> 01:10:46,595
I appreciate you having this meeting.

918
01:10:46,655 --> 01:10:50,035
And I was at the other meeting when we had all the boards

919
01:10:50,035 --> 01:10:52,155
with the sticky notes of what we wanted to see done,

920
01:10:52,175 --> 01:10:53,555
and I really appreciate that too.

921
01:10:54,605 --> 01:10:55,925
Sometime after that, um,

922
01:10:58,535 --> 01:11:00,525
Could you please, uh, be quiet in the audience

923
01:11:00,525 --> 01:11:02,365
when we've got people speaking? Thank

924
01:11:02,365 --> 01:11:03,365
You.

925
01:11:16,425 --> 01:11:18,865
Sometime after that, and not, I can't remember

926
01:11:19,075 --> 01:11:20,785
where I read it or who said it,

927
01:11:20,885 --> 01:11:24,305
but someone was saying what a great, um, thing that was.

928
01:11:24,365 --> 01:11:26,225
And we got a lot of input, which was great.

929
01:11:26,245 --> 01:11:29,705
But then they said, um, of course there are the naysayers

930
01:11:29,705 --> 01:11:31,745
who don't want anything in Plymouth to change.

931
01:11:32,405 --> 01:11:35,105
And I just wanna point out that even people

932
01:11:35,125 --> 01:11:38,705
who don't want anything to change have a valid opinion.

933
01:11:39,165 --> 01:11:40,705
And I think that part of

934
01:11:40,705 --> 01:11:43,505
that opinion might be in the Keep Plymouth Charming,

935
01:11:44,245 --> 01:11:45,425
um, kind of agenda.

936
01:11:45,645 --> 01:11:46,945
So I just want everyone,

937
01:11:47,005 --> 01:11:49,305
if someone says we don't wanna do anything, when it comes

938
01:11:49,325 --> 01:11:50,665
to some of the streetscapes

939
01:11:50,665 --> 01:11:54,775
and all that, hopefully they mean they wanna keep things,

940
01:11:55,155 --> 01:11:57,095
um, the infrastructure up.

941
01:11:57,095 --> 01:11:59,455
But I hope you don't discount that opinion.

942
01:12:00,155 --> 01:12:03,735
Um, and part of that to me, uh, flows into

943
01:12:04,435 --> 01:12:07,495
my opinion on some of the events in Plymouth, um,

944
01:12:07,515 --> 01:12:09,175
and how they affect the residents.

945
01:12:09,535 --> 01:12:11,935
I know that a lot of the events like Art in the Park

946
01:12:11,935 --> 01:12:15,335
and Fall Festival, to me, they are now, I don't know

947
01:12:15,335 --> 01:12:16,335
what the end game is

948
01:12:16,875 --> 01:12:20,375
and when it, the tipping point is, is too much, is too much

949
01:12:20,755 --> 01:12:21,855
for me as a resident.

950
01:12:21,965 --> 01:12:23,535
It's been too much for a few years,

951
01:12:23,675 --> 01:12:26,535
and I think we have too many events and too many people.

952
01:12:26,755 --> 01:12:28,655
And after art in the park, there's, oh,

953
01:12:28,655 --> 01:12:30,655
this year we had this many more thousands

954
01:12:31,035 --> 01:12:32,215
and this many more days,

955
01:12:32,275 --> 01:12:34,015
and this many more streets or whatever.

956
01:12:34,355 --> 01:12:35,975
And is that really a goal?

957
01:12:36,475 --> 01:12:38,695
And, and what is the endgame with that goal?

958
01:12:39,475 --> 01:12:41,975
And you know, I see the signs that are up thanks

959
01:12:41,995 --> 01:12:43,775
to the Plymouth residents, these streets

960
01:12:43,835 --> 01:12:46,335
or these curbs are repaired, that's great.

961
01:12:46,915 --> 01:12:49,335
But these people coming in, you know,

962
01:12:49,335 --> 01:12:51,255
in these big events are deteriorating

963
01:12:51,275 --> 01:12:52,375
our infrastructure too.

964
01:12:52,475 --> 01:12:55,695
So I just hope you keep in mind not just

965
01:12:55,695 --> 01:12:56,775
what the businesses want

966
01:12:56,915 --> 01:12:58,815
and not what these outside vendors,

967
01:12:59,195 --> 01:13:00,655
how much money they wanna make here,

968
01:13:00,995 --> 01:13:03,655
but keep in mind how these events affect the residents

969
01:13:04,115 --> 01:13:06,535
and the Keep Plymouth charming goal,

970
01:13:07,455 --> 01:13:10,375
I think says we wanna keep our small town a small town.

971
01:13:10,375 --> 01:13:12,175
That's why we live here. That's why we move here.

972
01:13:12,575 --> 01:13:14,295
I really don't think people move here

973
01:13:14,525 --> 01:13:16,735
because of art in the park and Fall festival.

974
01:13:16,735 --> 01:13:20,665
They move here because we have a clean, safe city. That's my

975
01:13:22,165 --> 01:13:23,165
Thank you.

976
01:13:27,225 --> 01:13:30,395
Good evening. Tracy Sinco, 1370 Penman.

977
01:13:30,635 --> 01:13:33,475
I am a 35 plus year resident of the city.

978
01:13:34,495 --> 01:13:37,675
Um, I'm concerned about the number of vacant, um,

979
01:13:37,775 --> 01:13:39,635
or underutilized commercial properties

980
01:13:39,635 --> 01:13:41,115
that we have in our community right now.

981
01:13:41,685 --> 01:13:45,795
Sites like the former Rite Aid store, the old Panera Bread

982
01:13:46,315 --> 01:13:48,875
location, Delta Diamond, the Lumber Mart on Mill Street.

983
01:13:49,125 --> 01:13:51,315
There are several commercial properties on Main

984
01:13:51,315 --> 01:13:52,595
Street that remain vacant.

985
01:13:53,215 --> 01:13:55,755
And these are the gateway areas of our community,

986
01:13:56,175 --> 01:13:59,795
and they, uh, create visible gaps in our community

987
01:13:59,855 --> 01:14:03,155
and are discouraging, sending wrong messages

988
01:14:03,155 --> 01:14:04,435
to residents and visitors.

989
01:14:04,935 --> 01:14:08,275
So in order to, um, create

990
01:14:08,535 --> 01:14:11,685
and encourage responsible redevelopment developers,

991
01:14:11,845 --> 01:14:14,285
I believe need reasonable, fair firm

992
01:14:14,425 --> 01:14:15,645
and consistent standards

993
01:14:15,665 --> 01:14:17,205
and predictable board decisions

994
01:14:17,435 --> 01:14:20,765
that they can rely on in order to want to bring new

995
01:14:20,905 --> 01:14:23,605
and, um, engaging activities

996
01:14:23,605 --> 01:14:25,445
and businesses to our community. Thank you.

997
01:14:26,055 --> 01:14:27,025
Thank you, Tracy.

998
01:14:40,535 --> 01:14:42,525
Hello, Paul Blackford, three 40 boroughs.

999
01:14:42,525 --> 01:14:43,765
Been in Plymouth for 12 years.

1000
01:14:43,825 --> 01:14:45,405
And Jen, thank you for talking to me earlier.

1001
01:14:45,785 --> 01:14:47,725
I'm the secretary of the Fairground Park Association,

1002
01:14:47,755 --> 01:14:49,725
also joined by my colleague Debra here.

1003
01:14:49,825 --> 01:14:54,365
And as was one of the few non, uh, sponsored parks,

1004
01:14:54,385 --> 01:14:56,945
we wanted to get your attention

1005
01:14:57,125 --> 01:14:59,745
and talk about additional funding opportunities in this

1006
01:14:59,745 --> 01:15:02,385
coming year to also do a new play

1007
01:15:02,585 --> 01:15:03,705
structure in Fairground Park.

1008
01:15:03,765 --> 01:15:06,625
We did a survey during our block party back in September.

1009
01:15:07,265 --> 01:15:08,425
I know it was a contentious

1010
01:15:08,425 --> 01:15:09,465
and busy political season,

1011
01:15:09,485 --> 01:15:11,305
so we weren't able to get in front of you yet.

1012
01:15:11,415 --> 01:15:12,625
We'd like to get in front of you

1013
01:15:12,725 --> 01:15:15,345
for discussions on developments this year,

1014
01:15:15,815 --> 01:15:17,145
next year with additional phasing.

1015
01:15:17,145 --> 01:15:18,865
And of course, as I mentioned, funding as well.

1016
01:15:20,445 --> 01:15:21,115
Thank you. Very.

1017
01:15:42,765 --> 01:15:46,505
Is that better? Oh yeah, it was, uh, uh, not

1018
01:15:46,505 --> 01:15:49,865
that I wanna rehash the champion, PUDI mean, we couldn't do

1019
01:15:49,865 --> 01:15:51,625
that anyway because the people have changed.

1020
01:15:51,725 --> 01:15:55,985
So, uh, but one of the things that came out of that was, uh,

1021
01:15:56,685 --> 01:15:58,465
at late in the process was when we did the,

1022
01:15:58,805 --> 01:16:02,425
the working session, which, uh, mayor deal called the going

1023
01:16:02,425 --> 01:16:05,625
above and beyond, uh, as the residents, you know,

1024
01:16:05,625 --> 01:16:06,745
we're, we're following the process.

1025
01:16:07,885 --> 01:16:11,745
If you told me 20 years ago I'd be reading processes on city

1026
01:16:11,785 --> 01:16:13,145
websites, I'd think you were nuts.

1027
01:16:13,445 --> 01:16:15,025
But now we end up doing that, uh, just

1028
01:16:15,025 --> 01:16:16,865
so we know what's going to on, uh,

1029
01:16:17,895 --> 01:16:19,225
then late in the game when all

1030
01:16:19,225 --> 01:16:21,665
of a sudden there's this new stop up to go above and beyond

1031
01:16:22,125 --> 01:16:25,025
and we can't get why we're going above and above

1032
01:16:25,025 --> 01:16:26,225
and beyond for this PUD.

1033
01:16:26,765 --> 01:16:27,785
But we didn't go above

1034
01:16:27,785 --> 01:16:29,865
and beyond for this other one that we voted no on.

1035
01:16:30,805 --> 01:16:32,545
It leaves us wondering why.

1036
01:16:33,165 --> 01:16:37,385
Uh, so framing this as a one year task, uh, I'd like

1037
01:16:37,585 --> 01:16:38,865
to have one, one or the other.

1038
01:16:39,115 --> 01:16:40,865
Let's go through the PUD process

1039
01:16:41,045 --> 01:16:42,625
and if there's extra steps that we're going

1040
01:16:42,625 --> 01:16:43,905
to do, let's put 'em in there.

1041
01:16:44,485 --> 01:16:48,225
If there's criteria for which PUDs we're gonna go above

1042
01:16:48,225 --> 01:16:49,745
and beyond four and which ones we're

1043
01:16:49,745 --> 01:16:51,065
not, let's put that there.

1044
01:16:51,295 --> 01:16:53,985
Because I think if the residents see it coming

1045
01:16:53,985 --> 01:16:55,865
before it comes, we would've, uh,

1046
01:16:55,885 --> 01:16:56,985
it would've been a lot smoother.

1047
01:16:57,165 --> 01:16:58,165
So thanks.

1048
01:16:59,805 --> 01:17:04,595
Thank you. Test. Okay, this one's working too.

1049
01:17:04,945 --> 01:17:07,675
Alright, I'll try it. Yay. We'll see what happens.

1050
01:17:09,785 --> 01:17:11,325
Hi, I am Betsy Mauer Valeric.

1051
01:17:11,365 --> 01:17:13,565
I live at 2 1 6 North Holbrook Street.

1052
01:17:14,305 --> 01:17:16,245
And as I always say, I grew up here,

1053
01:17:16,565 --> 01:17:18,205
I raised my family here,

1054
01:17:18,425 --> 01:17:19,525
and my, one

1055
01:17:19,525 --> 01:17:22,205
of my daughters is raising my granddaughters here.

1056
01:17:22,425 --> 01:17:23,845
And we all love Plymouth.

1057
01:17:24,285 --> 01:17:27,325
I be off the, what I was gonna say,

1058
01:17:28,045 --> 01:17:30,285
I loved hearing about this composting,

1059
01:17:30,305 --> 01:17:31,805
and I wanted to bring up something.

1060
01:17:31,865 --> 01:17:35,805
My oldest daughter lives in Waterloo, Ontario, in Canada.

1061
01:17:36,745 --> 01:17:39,915
They have a wonderful program where they have bins,

1062
01:17:39,915 --> 01:17:41,355
and the bins are about this big

1063
01:17:41,575 --> 01:17:43,835
and all of their composting goes to city,

1064
01:17:43,845 --> 01:17:45,115
picks it up once a week,

1065
01:17:45,175 --> 01:17:47,475
or it is the city of Waterloo, I believe.

1066
01:17:48,805 --> 01:17:53,145
And then in Spring, the people that participate are allowed

1067
01:17:53,145 --> 01:17:56,025
to come and get free compost for their gardens,

1068
01:17:56,115 --> 01:17:58,025
which I would love to see here.

1069
01:17:58,125 --> 01:18:00,945
So if you wanna have a advocate, that's me.

1070
01:18:02,375 --> 01:18:04,675
So what I was gonna say is, thank you

1071
01:18:04,675 --> 01:18:06,195
so much for having this meeting.

1072
01:18:07,025 --> 01:18:10,675
It's really refreshing to feel that you are open

1073
01:18:10,735 --> 01:18:12,915
to the voices of the community.

1074
01:18:13,375 --> 01:18:15,595
And, um, I'm really encouraged by it.

1075
01:18:17,715 --> 01:18:19,935
And I'm really hoping that this is the start

1076
01:18:19,955 --> 01:18:23,255
of a new era in city leadership where there's collaboration

1077
01:18:23,275 --> 01:18:24,735
and good communication.

1078
01:18:25,765 --> 01:18:29,005
I only have, I have two like simple, I think requests,

1079
01:18:29,005 --> 01:18:30,125
well maybe not simple,

1080
01:18:30,345 --> 01:18:35,085
but when making decisions about the development,

1081
01:18:35,085 --> 01:18:36,565
whether it's residential

1082
01:18:36,865 --> 01:18:39,225
or business, my hope is that

1083
01:18:41,595 --> 01:18:44,255
unique character of the community first

1084
01:18:44,595 --> 01:18:48,845
and foremost over, you know, some of the political things

1085
01:18:48,865 --> 01:18:50,445
and some of the monetary things.

1086
01:18:51,235 --> 01:18:52,445
It's really special here.

1087
01:18:52,845 --> 01:18:56,685
I have people visit from the east side and the sea.

1088
01:18:57,905 --> 01:18:59,125
My daughter of course, from Canada,

1089
01:18:59,305 --> 01:19:01,405
but her friends come frequently too

1090
01:19:01,625 --> 01:19:05,285
and love Plymouth, love the downtown,

1091
01:19:05,835 --> 01:19:07,885
love the neighborhoods, love the park,

1092
01:19:08,505 --> 01:19:11,245
and it's really special and you have to guard it.

1093
01:19:11,305 --> 01:19:14,285
And so I hope that's gonna be on the top of the list.

1094
01:19:15,025 --> 01:19:19,705
Um, and I, it's funny in, in talking,

1095
01:19:19,985 --> 01:19:24,745
I was in quite involved in the, uh, champion situation

1096
01:19:25,085 --> 01:19:28,825
and there are some people that were attempted to say, some

1097
01:19:28,825 --> 01:19:31,385
of us old timers are resistant

1098
01:19:31,385 --> 01:19:33,625
to change, but that's not true.

1099
01:19:34,305 --> 01:19:37,865
I love how watching the change in Plymouth,

1100
01:19:38,345 --> 01:19:39,505
I love the festivals.

1101
01:19:39,825 --> 01:19:42,625
I love the park, I love the restaurants.

1102
01:19:42,865 --> 01:19:45,465
I love walking in a community that's vibrant.

1103
01:19:46,165 --> 01:19:50,415
Um, and I, we've done a good job track.

1104
01:19:51,365 --> 01:19:56,155
Secondly, and I don't know that I understand that there

1105
01:19:56,815 --> 01:19:59,955
may new appointments to the planning commission,

1106
01:20:00,895 --> 01:20:05,125
and I'm hoping you'll select people

1107
01:20:05,435 --> 01:20:09,325
that are in line with this type of open communication

1108
01:20:09,665 --> 01:20:14,125
and understanding and hearing what the residents care about.

1109
01:20:15,015 --> 01:20:16,665
Um, many

1110
01:20:16,665 --> 01:20:20,185
of us have felt disrespected in those meetings.

1111
01:20:22,595 --> 01:20:25,545
Let's, what I would like to see is that we turn

1112
01:20:26,155 --> 01:20:27,185
completely over

1113
01:20:27,285 --> 01:20:29,745
and start with a fresh commitment

1114
01:20:29,745 --> 01:20:31,945
to keep our city vibrant, unique and special.

1115
01:20:32,645 --> 01:20:33,645
Thank you.

1116
01:20:43,815 --> 01:20:46,725
Hello. Hi, my name is Chelsea Lonsdale.

1117
01:20:46,755 --> 01:20:48,925
I've lived in Plymouth since 20 20 17.

1118
01:20:49,125 --> 01:20:52,645
I live in the housing cooperative, uh, just outside of town,

1119
01:20:52,645 --> 01:20:56,165
which I think is maybe the most affordable place, uh,

1120
01:20:56,185 --> 01:20:57,245
to live in Plymouth.

1121
01:20:57,665 --> 01:21:01,605
And my concern, um, in line with some other, um,

1122
01:21:02,045 --> 01:21:04,285
residents have shared is affordable housing.

1123
01:21:04,525 --> 01:21:06,685
I, I moved here in 2017, um,

1124
01:21:06,945 --> 01:21:09,285
two years into my current position

1125
01:21:09,385 --> 01:21:12,125
as tenured faculty at a community college.

1126
01:21:12,745 --> 01:21:15,285
Um, and since then I've doubled my salary,

1127
01:21:16,025 --> 01:21:18,805
but I can't afford to move out of the cooperative.

1128
01:21:19,305 --> 01:21:21,645
Um, and that, that breaks my heart.

1129
01:21:21,645 --> 01:21:23,365
When I moved here, I thought I would live there

1130
01:21:23,365 --> 01:21:25,765
for a few years and then be able to buy a house,

1131
01:21:25,765 --> 01:21:28,805
but the cost of housing has gone up so much

1132
01:21:28,865 --> 01:21:30,765
and I know that that's not just a Plymouth issue.

1133
01:21:31,225 --> 01:21:34,645
Um, my concern is with the developers that are coming in

1134
01:21:34,645 --> 01:21:37,605
that are outsiders coming in, buying up properties,

1135
01:21:37,675 --> 01:21:39,925
turning those properties into tearing down

1136
01:21:39,925 --> 01:21:41,565
homes, um, smaller homes.

1137
01:21:41,725 --> 01:21:43,365
I don't need a big home. It's me and my daughter.

1138
01:21:43,825 --> 01:21:46,205
Um, but I'd like to see, and it,

1139
01:21:46,205 --> 01:21:47,645
and it looks like that's on the agenda.

1140
01:21:47,795 --> 01:21:50,125
It's in progress. And I was at the meeting that happened

1141
01:21:50,915 --> 01:21:52,925
last year, last year in the same space

1142
01:21:52,925 --> 01:21:54,485
to talk about some of those concerns.

1143
01:21:55,025 --> 01:21:58,245
Um, so I just want to reiterate that there, there is a need

1144
01:21:58,265 --> 01:22:01,285
for not just affordable housing, but smaller housing.

1145
01:22:01,785 --> 01:22:03,365
Um, and as there seems

1146
01:22:03,365 --> 01:22:06,445
to be an increase in bigger homes coming in, um,

1147
01:22:06,625 --> 01:22:10,325
or this desire to move development forward, um,

1148
01:22:10,325 --> 01:22:13,085
someone asked previously, where is, where is the end goal?

1149
01:22:13,105 --> 01:22:14,605
How much development is enough?

1150
01:22:14,985 --> 01:22:17,805
Um, with the old village development, um, and the,

1151
01:22:18,025 --> 01:22:20,725
and the, um, the CIAI, I notice

1152
01:22:20,725 --> 01:22:23,085
that development is a priority,

1153
01:22:23,085 --> 01:22:25,485
but what are, what are we bringing in and at what cost?

1154
01:22:25,665 --> 01:22:28,245
At what cost do we sort of outgrow, um,

1155
01:22:28,385 --> 01:22:29,965
or become unsustainable?

1156
01:22:30,545 --> 01:22:33,525
Um, for, for the people who are here

1157
01:22:33,525 --> 01:22:36,205
or the people who want to be here that may not, um,

1158
01:22:37,785 --> 01:22:39,405
may not want a huge house or,

1159
01:22:39,705 --> 01:22:42,645
or properties that are owned by companies

1160
01:22:42,845 --> 01:22:45,725
that don't have any vested interest in, in the community.

1161
01:22:46,185 --> 01:22:48,205
Um, I have a related concern

1162
01:22:48,205 --> 01:22:50,285
that's a little bit more practical and immediate.

1163
01:22:50,825 --> 01:22:51,925
Um, I don't know

1164
01:22:51,925 --> 01:22:55,645
what the city policy is on snow removal on sidewalks, um,

1165
01:22:55,705 --> 01:22:57,965
but I run and I notice

1166
01:22:57,965 --> 01:23:00,805
that there are vacant, um, buildings.

1167
01:23:00,955 --> 01:23:02,605
They don't get plowed or shoveled.

1168
01:23:02,885 --> 01:23:05,565
I noticed that sometimes when sidewalks are cleared

1169
01:23:05,585 --> 01:23:07,965
or streets are cleared, it's dumped on the sidewalk,

1170
01:23:08,505 --> 01:23:09,765
um, by driveway.

1171
01:23:10,065 --> 01:23:12,045
Um, I'm sure that there's a policy in place.

1172
01:23:12,685 --> 01:23:13,685
I don't know what it is.

1173
01:23:14,105 --> 01:23:17,245
Um, and I'm curious to know how accountability is handled.

1174
01:23:17,345 --> 01:23:19,285
So if there are residents or businesses, um,

1175
01:23:19,285 --> 01:23:21,765
that aren't clearing their sidewalks, what happens?

1176
01:23:22,505 --> 01:23:25,645
Um, and I also wonder for people

1177
01:23:25,785 --> 01:23:28,605
who maybe can't clear their sidewalks, um, residents

1178
01:23:28,605 --> 01:23:29,885
that can't clear their sidewalks,

1179
01:23:29,905 --> 01:23:31,925
is there something in place or a resource in place

1180
01:23:31,955 --> 01:23:33,285
that, that could support them?

1181
01:23:33,705 --> 01:23:34,705
Oh, thank you.

1182
01:23:35,505 --> 01:23:37,445
All right. Actually, I got a quick answer

1183
01:23:37,465 --> 01:23:38,885
to the question without getting into it.

1184
01:23:39,265 --> 01:23:41,485
Um, resident responsibility

1185
01:23:41,485 --> 01:23:43,445
or property owner responsibility 24 hours

1186
01:23:43,455 --> 01:23:45,405
after, call it the last snowflake, falls

1187
01:23:46,355 --> 01:23:47,455
the crux in somewhat.

1188
01:23:47,525 --> 01:23:51,775
That is, if it snows again, the clock starts again. Okay.

1189
01:23:52,005 --> 01:23:55,015
However, with that said, uh, we do have code enforcement

1190
01:23:55,015 --> 01:23:56,215
that works on a part-time basis.

1191
01:23:56,245 --> 01:23:57,775
They go out following a snowfall

1192
01:23:57,775 --> 01:23:59,015
and go in, inspect the whole town,

1193
01:23:59,555 --> 01:24:01,775
and they will make note of those properties

1194
01:24:01,775 --> 01:24:04,295
that have not cleared the snow if they're at

1195
01:24:04,295 --> 01:24:05,535
that, uh, timeframe.

1196
01:24:05,915 --> 01:24:07,615
So if that happens, then they get noticed

1197
01:24:07,755 --> 01:24:10,415
and then they get, um, a short period of time

1198
01:24:10,415 --> 01:24:11,495
after that to do it.

1199
01:24:11,495 --> 01:24:13,015
Then we check it, and if it's not done,

1200
01:24:13,015 --> 01:24:14,775
we get the contractor out to clear it

1201
01:24:15,275 --> 01:24:16,855
and then take all the good pictures

1202
01:24:16,915 --> 01:24:19,255
and date timestamps, all that fun stuff.

1203
01:24:19,515 --> 01:24:20,815
And then we would send a bill

1204
01:24:21,155 --> 01:24:22,615
to the property owner on behalf

1205
01:24:22,615 --> 01:24:23,935
of the city to cover that time.

1206
01:24:24,395 --> 01:24:26,375
Um, and it's a policy that's been adopted

1207
01:24:26,435 --> 01:24:30,975
by the city commission, gosh, for, uh, almost 30 years,

1208
01:24:31,235 --> 01:24:32,815
uh, is my recollection.

1209
01:24:33,155 --> 01:24:34,175
And we do that annually.

1210
01:24:34,435 --> 01:24:38,735
Um, so if you happen to notice, please let us know.

1211
01:24:39,195 --> 01:24:40,895
Um, it falls under economic

1212
01:24:40,955 --> 01:24:42,415
or community development, that's

1213
01:24:42,415 --> 01:24:43,735
where code enforcement's located.

1214
01:24:43,835 --> 01:24:47,975
Please let us know. Absolutely.

1215
01:24:48,395 --> 01:24:50,455
And if I could make a comment on, on the first part,

1216
01:24:50,575 --> 01:24:52,215
I think affordability is a huge issue.

1217
01:24:52,215 --> 01:24:54,215
And, and like you said, it's not just a city

1218
01:24:54,215 --> 01:24:57,415
of P employment thing, it's, it's, you know, nationally.

1219
01:24:57,595 --> 01:24:59,895
So, um, you know, something that, um,

1220
01:24:59,905 --> 01:25:02,815
especially when it comes to residential properties though,

1221
01:25:02,915 --> 01:25:04,095
um, something

1222
01:25:04,095 --> 01:25:06,655
that's been listed on here is the residential compatibility

1223
01:25:06,955 --> 01:25:10,575
as in, in, um, a one year goal, which once again,

1224
01:25:10,575 --> 01:25:12,535
that's another, going back to the prioritizing

1225
01:25:12,715 --> 01:25:13,815
for the planning commission, they had

1226
01:25:13,815 --> 01:25:15,895
so much on their plate this year that, uh, just

1227
01:25:15,955 --> 01:25:18,535
or last year that it just wasn't feeble to get done.

1228
01:25:18,795 --> 01:25:20,615
But I think maybe something that we can talk about

1229
01:25:20,715 --> 01:25:25,575
as a commission is for us to figure out amongst us

1230
01:25:26,165 --> 01:25:29,335
what sort of appetite there is for something like that, um,

1231
01:25:29,515 --> 01:25:31,935
to give planning commission some more direction.

1232
01:25:32,075 --> 01:25:34,095
So I think there is a concern where, you know,

1233
01:25:34,255 --> 01:25:35,855
planning commission spends a lot of time coming up

1234
01:25:35,855 --> 01:25:37,815
with all the rules surrounding every piece of this,

1235
01:25:37,875 --> 01:25:39,215
and then it comes to the city commission

1236
01:25:39,315 --> 01:25:41,055
and it's not something that we're interested in doing

1237
01:25:41,445 --> 01:25:44,015
that there's a lot of time then that, you know, has,

1238
01:25:44,505 --> 01:25:45,975
we'll say, you know, been wasted.

1239
01:25:46,075 --> 01:25:48,295
So it is something that I'm really interested in though the

1240
01:25:48,295 --> 01:25:49,335
residential compatibility,

1241
01:25:49,335 --> 01:25:51,135
and I think we should discuss it at the city commission

1242
01:25:51,135 --> 01:25:53,455
level to give planning commission some direction on it.

1243
01:25:53,595 --> 01:25:56,175
So it's a a point well taken though. Thank

1244
01:25:56,175 --> 01:25:57,175
You. I agree.

1245
01:25:57,175 --> 01:26:01,175
I, um, during my time on the planning commission,

1246
01:26:01,845 --> 01:26:05,005
Scott's and Karen's, uh, we passed the far,

1247
01:26:05,005 --> 01:26:08,485
which actually brought down, uh, the size, uh,

1248
01:26:08,955 --> 01:26:11,285
that developers or anyone can build.

1249
01:26:11,825 --> 01:26:15,725
Um, and this next piece is the compatibility, um, ordinance,

1250
01:26:15,855 --> 01:26:17,565
which takes into consideration the

1251
01:26:17,765 --> 01:26:18,885
surrounding homes as well.

1252
01:26:19,025 --> 01:26:22,805
And that's some somewhat protective of the smaller homes so

1253
01:26:22,805 --> 01:26:25,165
that they can't be kind of big footed right next door.

1254
01:26:25,705 --> 01:26:27,645
Um, it can look like a lot of different things.

1255
01:26:27,985 --> 01:26:30,605
Um, we are gonna talk about it to see whether, uh,

1256
01:26:30,635 --> 01:26:31,685
there's an appetite.

1257
01:26:31,685 --> 01:26:32,605
We're not gonna, the planning

1258
01:26:32,605 --> 01:26:33,965
commission has a ton of stuff to do.

1259
01:26:34,465 --> 01:26:39,365
Um, if, if we as a board, as a commission, um,

1260
01:26:40,425 --> 01:26:43,445
uh, don't have an appetite for it, it it won't move forward.

1261
01:26:43,685 --> 01:26:45,605
I personally do. It sounds like Brock does.

1262
01:26:46,025 --> 01:26:48,285
Um, because I think that's one of the few things.

1263
01:26:48,365 --> 01:26:52,125
I mean, I'm, we all walk or drive

1264
01:26:52,125 --> 01:26:53,605
or bike around all the time,

1265
01:26:53,605 --> 01:26:56,325
and just in this last like two weeks, I've seen like three

1266
01:26:57,115 --> 01:27:01,465
older, you know, probably 1920s, forties homes

1267
01:27:01,855 --> 01:27:04,625
that have, um, development signs up

1268
01:27:05,165 --> 01:27:06,785
and it kills me every time.

1269
01:27:07,285 --> 01:27:09,505
So, um, we're working towards that.

1270
01:27:09,625 --> 01:27:12,835
I think that most of us have have those same goals.

1271
01:27:13,375 --> 01:27:16,875
Um, and so we'll thank you for your comment

1272
01:27:16,875 --> 01:27:21,155
because I think that there is a growing, um, a growing

1273
01:27:21,835 --> 01:27:24,555
appetite for that among, amongst the, the residents.

1274
01:27:24,555 --> 01:27:29,235
And there's only so many, uh, so many ways to enact change

1275
01:27:29,335 --> 01:27:30,435
and that is one of them.

1276
01:27:31,015 --> 01:27:32,015
So yeah.

1277
01:27:57,925 --> 01:27:59,215
Okay. I didn't think it was working.

1278
01:27:59,395 --> 01:28:01,695
Jim Lampson 1782 Lexington

1279
01:28:02,235 --> 01:28:05,135
to piggyback on Hurricane Man about the, the size

1280
01:28:05,135 --> 01:28:06,415
of the new homes coming in

1281
01:28:07,075 --> 01:28:09,375
and, um, you referenced, uh, a cap.

1282
01:28:10,715 --> 01:28:12,695
Is there really a cap on the size of the homes?

1283
01:28:12,695 --> 01:28:15,095
Because some of these new homes are huge,

1284
01:28:15,615 --> 01:28:18,735
particularly the two new big monster homes

1285
01:28:19,115 --> 01:28:20,135
on Anarbor portrayal.

1286
01:28:20,235 --> 01:28:21,695
Yes, absolutely. What's the cap on?

1287
01:28:21,695 --> 01:28:23,655
That's gotta be 5,000 square feet,

1288
01:28:24,035 --> 01:28:26,495
So it's not, it has to do with the size

1289
01:28:26,495 --> 01:28:28,015
of the property it's built on, so.

1290
01:28:28,125 --> 01:28:32,855
Okay. Um, the, the rough answer is that it's, um,

1291
01:28:35,505 --> 01:28:39,365
uh, the total, um, square footage

1292
01:28:39,365 --> 01:28:43,405
of the house can be 40% of

1293
01:28:44,465 --> 01:28:47,525
the, uh, square footage of the property,

1294
01:28:47,825 --> 01:28:52,045
but not to exceed 30% lot coverage. So, um,

1295
01:28:52,145 --> 01:28:54,325
So you didn't need some calculus to do, right? Yeah. You,

1296
01:28:54,325 --> 01:28:57,045
Well, she's, uh, Greta over there is our calculus.

1297
01:28:57,325 --> 01:28:59,725
Yeah. Okay. I was, I was just curious because, but, and,

1298
01:28:59,725 --> 01:29:02,005
And, and just to let you, like, like every building,

1299
01:29:02,455 --> 01:29:05,645
every site plan, uh, for everything is looked over

1300
01:29:05,745 --> 01:29:07,205
by our building department and

1301
01:29:07,205 --> 01:29:08,445
It's looked at Yeah, really curious.

1302
01:29:08,445 --> 01:29:09,765
Basically, there's restriction. So many homes are

1303
01:29:09,765 --> 01:29:11,205
restriction and are bought raised,

1304
01:29:11,305 --> 01:29:13,845
and much larger homes are built on that property.

1305
01:29:14,235 --> 01:29:15,605
Yeah. It kind of crazy.

1306
01:29:16,025 --> 01:29:17,885
Can I jump into real quick? So you mentioned the,

1307
01:29:17,905 --> 01:29:20,525
the two larger places, places on Ann Arbor Trail.

1308
01:29:20,525 --> 01:29:22,565
Right. And now we're talking about different

1309
01:29:22,565 --> 01:29:23,685
zoning districts as well.

1310
01:29:23,825 --> 01:29:26,805
So in your neighborhood, in New England Village over there,

1311
01:29:27,145 --> 01:29:29,525
um, the, um, it's zoned R one,

1312
01:29:29,525 --> 01:29:32,725
single family residential along, uh, Ann Arbor Trail.

1313
01:29:32,915 --> 01:29:37,445
It's zoned, um, mixed use, uh, or, or B two business.

1314
01:29:37,865 --> 01:29:38,965
So there are different

1315
01:29:38,965 --> 01:29:39,965
Regulations. So mixed use, meaning

1316
01:29:39,965 --> 01:29:41,685
a current apartment complex

1317
01:29:41,685 --> 01:29:42,805
could go in, not

1318
01:29:42,805 --> 01:29:45,565
Necessarily, but it, it, it's different so that

1319
01:29:45,565 --> 01:29:49,125
that floor area ratio does not apply in that district.

1320
01:29:49,145 --> 01:29:51,725
So there's, there's one less limit they have.

1321
01:29:51,945 --> 01:29:53,605
So it's, it gets back to the points

1322
01:29:53,605 --> 01:29:56,485
that Scott Silvers was making earlier about, um,

1323
01:29:56,575 --> 01:29:57,605
form-based code

1324
01:29:57,705 --> 01:29:59,765
and making sure that our zoning

1325
01:29:59,945 --> 01:30:02,085
for the whole city makes sense so that we know what

1326
01:30:02,085 --> 01:30:03,125
to expect to go in there.

1327
01:30:03,585 --> 01:30:06,845
And, you know, when, when those, uh, you know, older, um,

1328
01:30:07,505 --> 01:30:09,845
you know, multi-family homes were torn down

1329
01:30:09,985 --> 01:30:13,935
and these new giant places kind of went in, um, if we

1330
01:30:14,845 --> 01:30:16,575
make sure that our codes are up to date

1331
01:30:16,765 --> 01:30:19,735
with a vision going forward, we, we know what to expect

1332
01:30:20,075 --> 01:30:22,215
and it, it kind of gets the city where we want it

1333
01:30:22,215 --> 01:30:25,815
to be versus, um, right now, the, the developers, they're,

1334
01:30:26,085 --> 01:30:27,615
they are financially motivated

1335
01:30:27,615 --> 01:30:29,895
to maximize the square foot adjustments piece of property.

1336
01:30:29,895 --> 01:30:31,215
Mm-hmm. And so they're gonna go right up

1337
01:30:31,215 --> 01:30:34,495
to the absolute limits of what our, our codes allow.

1338
01:30:34,795 --> 01:30:36,095
And we can't fault them for that.

1339
01:30:36,095 --> 01:30:38,495
They're following the rules. And so we, we do need to have

1340
01:30:38,495 --> 01:30:41,055
that conversation with the planning commission on

1341
01:30:41,405 --> 01:30:42,895
what do we want them to work on

1342
01:30:43,075 --> 01:30:45,335
and what's important to us and you.

1343
01:30:45,795 --> 01:30:47,855
And it's, and that's a lot of it. That's a part of it. Yeah.

1344
01:30:47,855 --> 01:30:49,575
Because we've all, we've all heard over the years,

1345
01:30:49,715 --> 01:30:52,015
so many people saying a lot

1346
01:30:52,015 --> 01:30:54,375
of these bigger homes are ruining the, the quaintness

1347
01:30:54,435 --> 01:30:55,655
of, of Plymouth.

1348
01:30:56,155 --> 01:30:57,615
So, but, but we keep going.

1349
01:30:57,885 --> 01:31:00,295
Yeah. Joe, just, just so you know,

1350
01:31:00,495 --> 01:31:02,335
I was on the planning commission when we approved those

1351
01:31:02,335 --> 01:31:05,255
homes and we, they were, they're in a different district,

1352
01:31:05,255 --> 01:31:07,655
but we, the requirement we put on approving them was

1353
01:31:07,655 --> 01:31:09,375
that they had to live to R one standards.

1354
01:31:09,635 --> 01:31:11,615
So they did meet the far, if

1355
01:31:12,415 --> 01:31:14,715
I cra but they're giant.

1356
01:31:14,715 --> 01:31:16,795
They're very deep lots. Right, right.

1357
01:31:16,895 --> 01:31:18,035
The other thing that I've,

1358
01:31:18,275 --> 01:31:20,715
I think we talked about a lot on the planning commission

1359
01:31:20,715 --> 01:31:23,795
that um, is one of my kind of pet peeves is, um,

1360
01:31:24,555 --> 01:31:27,155
I think the difference, like sometimes I would, I would,

1361
01:31:27,635 --> 01:31:31,355
I would love to see multifamily buildings,

1362
01:31:31,735 --> 01:31:33,675
and I wish I could say, could we build them

1363
01:31:33,675 --> 01:31:35,355
to 1970 standards?

1364
01:31:35,625 --> 01:31:37,395
Because a lot of things

1365
01:31:37,395 --> 01:31:39,395
that have happened now is it's standard now,

1366
01:31:39,395 --> 01:31:41,515
everybody wants 10 foot ceilings on every floor.

1367
01:31:42,095 --> 01:31:43,835
So houses start to get taller,

1368
01:31:43,975 --> 01:31:45,355
and you don't realize how much

1369
01:31:45,355 --> 01:31:48,595
that extra height also contributes to mass.

1370
01:31:48,895 --> 01:31:52,675
Mm-hmm. Right. So I know the building department makes sure

1371
01:31:52,675 --> 01:31:55,235
they, they live to the far they live to, you know, there's,

1372
01:31:55,385 --> 01:31:56,475
it's very complicated.

1373
01:31:56,675 --> 01:31:58,235
I recommend everybody start kind of

1374
01:31:59,205 --> 01:32:00,845
watching a planning commission meeting now and then,

1375
01:32:00,845 --> 01:32:02,565
because you have to, there's, you learn a lot,

1376
01:32:03,025 --> 01:32:06,085
but there's lot coverage that they go by.

1377
01:32:06,085 --> 01:32:07,605
There's the far that they go by.

1378
01:32:07,665 --> 01:32:10,845
If you have a detached garage versus an attached garage,

1379
01:32:10,985 --> 01:32:12,245
it changes the calculations

1380
01:32:12,245 --> 01:32:15,845
because on the planning commission, we wanted to, early on,

1381
01:32:16,105 --> 01:32:18,685
and Jim Mulhern was big on this,

1382
01:32:18,705 --> 01:32:22,245
and I thank Jim for this, is we wanted it to keep the charm,

1383
01:32:22,305 --> 01:32:25,245
the charm of Plymouth was actually very important back in

1384
01:32:25,265 --> 01:32:26,285
Jim Mulherin's day.

1385
01:32:26,985 --> 01:32:28,245
And, and, and,

1386
01:32:28,865 --> 01:32:30,725
and when I first got on the planning commission

1387
01:32:30,955 --> 01:32:35,165
that we approved changes to encourage front porches

1388
01:32:35,425 --> 01:32:37,365
and detach garages mm-hmm.

1389
01:32:37,445 --> 01:32:39,325
Because that maintained the character.

1390
01:32:39,665 --> 01:32:42,965
So I think as the years went on and developers came in

1391
01:32:42,965 --> 01:32:45,525
and people wanted bigger homes and taller ceilings

1392
01:32:45,525 --> 01:32:48,165
and things, we, we lost, I think focusing on

1393
01:32:48,165 --> 01:32:49,205
that character a little bit.

1394
01:32:49,465 --> 01:32:52,845
And I think we all need to find the right blend.

1395
01:32:52,945 --> 01:32:54,205
And I think these kind

1396
01:32:54,285 --> 01:32:56,125
of conversations are how we get there.

1397
01:32:56,425 --> 01:33:00,085
So, um, I encourage people to stay involved.

1398
01:33:00,605 --> 01:33:03,205
I think we do need some affordable housing in smaller homes,

1399
01:33:03,545 --> 01:33:05,405
but we also, you know, people,

1400
01:33:06,105 --> 01:33:08,125
the market demands what the market demands.

1401
01:33:08,125 --> 01:33:10,525
Mm-hmm. Um, and it, it's really complicated.

1402
01:33:10,525 --> 01:33:12,965
And I think the way we can all move forward the best

1403
01:33:13,185 --> 01:33:15,885
and maintain the characters, having these conversations

1404
01:33:15,885 --> 01:33:18,045
and all kind of coming at it from different perspectives.

1405
01:33:18,395 --> 01:33:20,205
Because at the same time, as I say,

1406
01:33:20,365 --> 01:33:21,565
I support the compatibility

1407
01:33:21,565 --> 01:33:22,765
ordinance just to be on the record.

1408
01:33:23,385 --> 01:33:26,485
You know, I've been behind that one for a while now, um,

1409
01:33:27,025 --> 01:33:30,085
as a homeowner or if I have a small home, I wanna max

1410
01:33:30,385 --> 01:33:33,205
and I'm moving, I wanna maximize my profit.

1411
01:33:33,255 --> 01:33:35,045
Right. 'cause there's, to be honest,

1412
01:33:35,045 --> 01:33:37,045
there's gonna be people saying, I don't wanna limit on

1413
01:33:37,045 --> 01:33:39,565
what my home can be because I wanna maximize my profit.

1414
01:33:39,905 --> 01:33:42,325
So it's, none of these things are easy,

1415
01:33:42,375 --> 01:33:45,205
which is why we all need to have these conversations.

1416
01:33:45,815 --> 01:33:49,685
Forms based codes could help us in the commercial area.

1417
01:33:50,545 --> 01:33:53,565
Um, I, I think it's important that we have that,

1418
01:33:53,665 --> 01:33:55,045
but thank you for bringing up the concern.

1419
01:33:55,055 --> 01:33:56,055
Thank you.

1420
01:34:05,075 --> 01:34:06,105
Hello? Oh yes.

1421
01:34:09,125 --> 01:34:12,625
Um, Jan Waller, 10 51 North Mill Street.

1422
01:34:13,085 --> 01:34:15,785
Um, someone mentioned old village, which means I pop up.

1423
01:34:16,245 --> 01:34:19,425
Um, so I have a couple of old village centric things.

1424
01:34:19,425 --> 01:34:21,505
First of all, the CIA, we are really thankful

1425
01:34:21,765 --> 01:34:22,985
for what is happening there.

1426
01:34:23,015 --> 01:34:26,185
It's very exciting. So thank you commission for that

1427
01:34:26,925 --> 01:34:31,185
Say Corridor improvement authority.

1428
01:34:33,085 --> 01:34:36,745
And we are getting, well, we've got one getting one,

1429
01:34:37,125 --> 01:34:38,545
one foot in, one foot out at the moment.

1430
01:34:38,605 --> 01:34:39,745
Anyway, I digress.

1431
01:34:40,165 --> 01:34:41,985
Um, so I've got a couple

1432
01:34:41,985 --> 01:34:44,025
of things I just wanna piggyback off of what, um,

1433
01:34:44,025 --> 01:34:45,745
Chelsea was saying about snowplowing.

1434
01:34:45,745 --> 01:34:49,385
One of the worst offenders for not plowing is CXX.

1435
01:34:49,765 --> 01:34:51,425
If, uh, we live in old village

1436
01:34:51,925 --> 01:34:55,105
and we have three crossings very closely together

1437
01:34:55,325 --> 01:34:56,825
and they never plow.

1438
01:34:57,945 --> 01:34:59,885
And those new crossings are lovely,

1439
01:34:59,945 --> 01:35:01,485
but they're a little bit steeper now.

1440
01:35:01,485 --> 01:35:02,645
So when you're walking your dog,

1441
01:35:02,645 --> 01:35:05,445
they're a little bit extra slippy and they never touch them.

1442
01:35:05,545 --> 01:35:07,765
And I believe that the city aren't allowed to touch them,

1443
01:35:07,765 --> 01:35:10,245
which is an interesting situation.

1444
01:35:10,825 --> 01:35:13,565
Um, I'd also like to say, um,

1445
01:35:13,635 --> 01:35:15,725
last year we found out we had lead pipes.

1446
01:35:16,265 --> 01:35:19,445
Um, I dunno how many homes that affects.

1447
01:35:19,805 --> 01:35:21,925
I dunno if that's an old village problem,

1448
01:35:22,145 --> 01:35:25,045
but I do know in Old Village we are getting more

1449
01:35:25,045 --> 01:35:26,085
and more young families

1450
01:35:27,105 --> 01:35:29,525
and it's a little bit of a worry, um, to,

1451
01:35:29,675 --> 01:35:33,005
I've lived in my house 10 years, I've raised my kids in it,

1452
01:35:33,875 --> 01:35:35,005
it's not a great feeling.

1453
01:35:35,225 --> 01:35:37,885
So I, um, I'm sure there is a strategy about it,

1454
01:35:37,985 --> 01:35:41,285
but, um, I feel that's a, a health and safety issue.

1455
01:35:42,185 --> 01:35:44,685
And then the other thing is about the crossings.

1456
01:35:44,865 --> 01:35:46,405
As I just said, we do have three

1457
01:35:46,955 --> 01:35:48,925
very close crossings in Old Village,

1458
01:35:49,545 --> 01:35:52,085
and I know that everyone hates the horns and everything,

1459
01:35:52,265 --> 01:35:55,125
but we have three very close together,

1460
01:35:55,135 --> 01:35:57,885
which can be 12 blasts of a horn.

1461
01:35:58,825 --> 01:36:01,125
Um, so I would be really interested to know

1462
01:36:01,125 --> 01:36:03,765
how places like Ferndale got quiet zones.

1463
01:36:04,905 --> 01:36:07,405
Um, I know it's not gonna be possible for all

1464
01:36:07,405 --> 01:36:09,885
of our crossings, and I don't think it's appropriate,

1465
01:36:10,145 --> 01:36:13,045
but, um, I think certainly in a residential area,

1466
01:36:13,195 --> 01:36:16,205
like Old village, those three roads,

1467
01:36:16,515 --> 01:36:18,245
it's worth investigating at least.

1468
01:36:18,425 --> 01:36:20,645
And thank you for the crossing on mail as well.

1469
01:36:20,825 --> 01:36:22,685
Yes, thank you. I'm gonna go now, 'cause

1470
01:36:24,105 --> 01:36:25,885
Jan, I'm gonna answer or,

1471
01:36:26,185 --> 01:36:28,725
or speak to some of that at least.

1472
01:36:29,325 --> 01:36:30,645
I too have lead pipes

1473
01:36:30,645 --> 01:36:33,845
and I found out, um, yeah, you know, last year,

1474
01:36:34,225 --> 01:36:36,965
and I think that there's a very small number of, of homes.

1475
01:36:37,265 --> 01:36:41,365
Um, my street has some, um, I believe, uh,

1476
01:36:41,755 --> 01:36:43,005
that in the next,

1477
01:36:43,165 --> 01:36:44,645
I think the roll out's gonna take about 10 years.

1478
01:36:44,905 --> 01:36:45,925
Is that correct? Yeah.

1479
01:36:46,065 --> 01:36:49,165
And so there is a plan, uh, to get them all done.

1480
01:36:49,715 --> 01:36:52,205
It's not quick. Um, I was concerned as well,

1481
01:36:52,425 --> 01:36:55,685
and I actually asked to have, uh, my water tested

1482
01:36:56,345 --> 01:36:58,925
and um, the city will do that if you ask.

1483
01:36:59,345 --> 01:37:01,925
Um, right. Or was that just Yeah, that was just for me.

1484
01:37:02,025 --> 01:37:04,325
No, anyone can do that. No. Yeah.

1485
01:37:04,505 --> 01:37:08,725
If you're, if you are concerned, um, contact Chris Portman

1486
01:37:08,785 --> 01:37:10,845
or, um, DMS uh,

1487
01:37:10,955 --> 01:37:12,445
Plus, plus, there are random, random tests

1488
01:37:12,445 --> 01:37:14,885
that are done in addition to that, not just through request.

1489
01:37:15,025 --> 01:37:16,885
So, but I do understand the concern and yeah,

1490
01:37:16,995 --> 01:37:18,165
It's, yeah, absolutely.

1491
01:37:18,505 --> 01:37:22,045
Um, yeah, the water is tested, um, not just mine,

1492
01:37:22,045 --> 01:37:26,045
but everybody, um, and so it, it's on the radar.

1493
01:37:26,545 --> 01:37:31,165
The, uh, requirements for replacing those lead pipes, um,

1494
01:37:31,195 --> 01:37:32,485
have, has changed.

1495
01:37:32,645 --> 01:37:35,565
I believe it used to, uh, be the city's responsibility,

1496
01:37:35,915 --> 01:37:38,165
just like to the sidewalk to the property,

1497
01:37:38,185 --> 01:37:41,285
and now it's all the way to, um, to the house.

1498
01:37:41,585 --> 01:37:43,805
So it's a little bit more expensive. Yeah.

1499
01:37:44,145 --> 01:37:47,005
Um, and I think it is an unfunded mandate as well.

1500
01:37:47,185 --> 01:37:49,725
Um, is that Yes, which means that, uh,

1501
01:37:49,745 --> 01:37:50,925
we have to do it by law.

1502
01:37:51,035 --> 01:37:53,525
Okay. Uh, but we don't get any money, um,

1503
01:37:53,955 --> 01:37:55,205
from the state for that.

1504
01:37:55,355 --> 01:37:58,725
Okay. So, um, it will cost the, the city.

1505
01:37:58,725 --> 01:38:00,645
Do you both know how many homes it does affect in?

1506
01:38:00,705 --> 01:38:01,885
Uh, I think Chris will tell you,

1507
01:38:04,135 --> 01:38:05,145
Gosh, I'm hesitant.

1508
01:38:05,395 --> 01:38:06,745
Sorry. I'm hesitant

1509
01:38:06,745 --> 01:38:08,345
to just give a number off the top of my head.

1510
01:38:08,345 --> 01:38:11,065
Okay. But, um, what, what I will tell you without just

1511
01:38:11,575 --> 01:38:15,705
quoting a number, um, we test over 50

1512
01:38:16,085 --> 01:38:18,945
to 75, um, places that

1513
01:38:19,525 --> 01:38:22,265
we know have led each and every year.

1514
01:38:22,725 --> 01:38:25,745
And, uh, we do not exceed what's called the action level.

1515
01:38:26,165 --> 01:38:29,705
And what that means is the treatment that is in the pipes

1516
01:38:29,735 --> 01:38:33,145
through Great Lakes water, um, over years

1517
01:38:33,665 --> 01:38:37,185
protects the pipe itself from lead leaching in.

1518
01:38:37,765 --> 01:38:40,665
So each and every year we test for lead and copper

1519
01:38:41,405 --> 01:38:42,385
and a number of other

1520
01:38:42,615 --> 01:38:44,465
inorganic chemicals and all that good stuff.

1521
01:38:45,005 --> 01:38:48,745
And I don't recall the last time we exceeded the action

1522
01:38:48,745 --> 01:38:53,225
level on lead or even copper in any of our test results,

1523
01:38:53,365 --> 01:38:54,985
let alone enough of them

1524
01:38:55,015 --> 01:38:57,825
that would trigger any other restrictions

1525
01:38:58,285 --> 01:38:59,345
in the water usage.

1526
01:38:59,965 --> 01:39:02,025
So I, I'm not gonna tell you it's safe,

1527
01:39:02,045 --> 01:39:04,025
but I'm not here to tell you it's unsafe.

1528
01:39:04,605 --> 01:39:06,865
Um, and we publish that report each and every year. Yes.

1529
01:39:07,355 --> 01:39:09,345
Every time we do an infrastructure project,

1530
01:39:09,485 --> 01:39:11,265
if we come across lead, it's out of there.

1531
01:39:11,605 --> 01:39:13,945
And we are starting to target some

1532
01:39:13,945 --> 01:39:16,065
of our infrastructure projects to go

1533
01:39:16,075 --> 01:39:18,385
after those streets where we know we have lead.

1534
01:39:18,885 --> 01:39:22,065
Um, there's not many, but there are some. Mm-hmm.

1535
01:39:22,405 --> 01:39:26,425
Um, it was mentioned earlier that the rules changed.

1536
01:39:26,985 --> 01:39:29,705
A few years ago, we would go through

1537
01:39:29,765 --> 01:39:32,465
and replace anything that we found up to the curb stop,

1538
01:39:32,465 --> 01:39:33,785
which is roughly the sidewalk area.

1539
01:39:34,285 --> 01:39:36,465
And then the rules changed and now we're having to go back

1540
01:39:36,685 --> 01:39:40,425
and anything that we didn't replace from the sidewalk into

1541
01:39:40,425 --> 01:39:42,185
the house, now we have to go back and replace.

1542
01:39:42,535 --> 01:39:45,545
Because now the interpretation is,

1543
01:39:45,575 --> 01:39:47,865
it's still our responsibility, whereas

1544
01:39:47,925 --> 01:39:49,505
before the interpretation was,

1545
01:39:49,505 --> 01:39:51,065
it was the homeowner's responsibility.

1546
01:39:51,765 --> 01:39:56,305
So even some that we fixed, we have to go back

1547
01:39:56,305 --> 01:40:00,985
and fix again, but, excuse me.

1548
01:40:01,445 --> 01:40:03,945
But we have not exceeded any of the action levels on any

1549
01:40:03,945 --> 01:40:06,305
of our testing and decades. Alright.

1550
01:40:06,635 --> 01:40:08,065
Thank you. You're welcome. Appreciate it.

1551
01:40:08,365 --> 01:40:10,585
And just real quickly, again, I was gonna finish

1552
01:40:11,095 --> 01:40:14,105
with the Quiet zones before my time on the commission.

1553
01:40:14,185 --> 01:40:16,305
I think it might have been 15 years ago at this point.

1554
01:40:16,465 --> 01:40:18,305
I don't know, I can't keep track of time anymore.

1555
01:40:18,725 --> 01:40:22,345
Um, there was a, a big, um, kind

1556
01:40:22,345 --> 01:40:24,385
of research into quiet zones

1557
01:40:24,685 --> 01:40:29,025
and, uh, the, the crossing itself has to, uh,

1558
01:40:30,365 --> 01:40:34,105
change and it has to be at a much higher level of like,

1559
01:40:34,105 --> 01:40:36,625
keeping people off of those, those crossings.

1560
01:40:36,885 --> 01:40:39,385
Um, and it became clear, I believe

1561
01:40:39,385 --> 01:40:42,065
that it was not a financially viable solution.

1562
01:40:42,225 --> 01:40:43,185
I, I think some of those

1563
01:40:43,465 --> 01:40:44,905
regulations have actually changed.

1564
01:40:45,005 --> 01:40:48,345
And if you're in, if you're ever in Ferndale, there is a,

1565
01:40:48,905 --> 01:40:50,065
a complete quiet zone

1566
01:40:50,205 --> 01:40:51,425
and there's no extra barriers

1567
01:40:51,565 --> 01:40:52,745
or anything. I'm not saying that we

1568
01:40:52,745 --> 01:40:55,165
Don't need extra barriers, I'm all for keeping people,

1569
01:40:55,305 --> 01:40:57,645
but it's just kind of interesting.

1570
01:40:57,855 --> 01:40:59,165
Maybe it's worth a look.

1571
01:40:59,285 --> 01:41:01,085
I don't know if that's, maybe things have changed.

1572
01:41:01,125 --> 01:41:02,685
I don't know. Yeah. So. Okay. Alright.

1573
01:41:02,685 --> 01:41:03,925
Thanks very much. Well, we'll talk about it. Yeah.

1574
01:41:04,155 --> 01:41:06,285
Just so you know, and correct me if I'm wrong, Chris,

1575
01:41:06,285 --> 01:41:08,965
there's also could be a liability issue with quiet zones

1576
01:41:09,025 --> 01:41:11,325
and that's what we have to look at for the city as well.

1577
01:41:11,865 --> 01:41:12,925
Go. Yeah. All,

1578
01:41:18,345 --> 01:41:19,945
I don't know about all of you, but I could listen

1579
01:41:19,945 --> 01:41:23,225
to Jan talk forever. True.

1580
01:41:24,045 --> 01:41:25,825
Um, Kristen, oh, sorry.

1581
01:41:25,825 --> 01:41:27,625
Kristen Michail Johnson 7 1 2 Fairground.

1582
01:41:27,765 --> 01:41:30,345
Um, one, I guess two quick issues.

1583
01:41:30,925 --> 01:41:33,065
One, our garbage is like never picked up on time.

1584
01:41:33,105 --> 01:41:34,905
I don't know if that's a problem in just like our quadrant,

1585
01:41:34,905 --> 01:41:37,345
but like, it feels like the garbage is always a day later.

1586
01:41:38,045 --> 01:41:40,025
Um, a couple of my neighbors asked me to speak on

1587
01:41:40,025 --> 01:41:41,425
that since they couldn't be here today.

1588
01:41:41,645 --> 01:41:44,345
And then second one is there is a, um,

1589
01:41:44,495 --> 01:41:48,025
like a blinky light crossing situation at heart saw.

1590
01:41:48,325 --> 01:41:50,585
And I forget which, which road it turns into.

1591
01:41:51,165 --> 01:41:52,305
Um, and I think, again, one

1592
01:41:52,305 --> 01:41:53,385
of my neighbors has shown up at a couple

1593
01:41:53,385 --> 01:41:54,625
different meetings advocating for this.

1594
01:41:54,645 --> 01:41:58,425
But, um, when I'm riding my bike with my 8-year-old from

1595
01:41:59,225 --> 01:42:03,725
the east side of Maine to come to Smith Elementary, we use

1596
01:42:03,725 --> 01:42:07,205
that crossing and it is wildly ineffective.

1597
01:42:07,665 --> 01:42:08,965
Um, I don't know if it's

1598
01:42:08,965 --> 01:42:10,765
because the distance between the,

1599
01:42:10,825 --> 01:42:12,565
the blinky lights is too far,

1600
01:42:13,385 --> 01:42:15,685
but nobody sees that nobody stops.

1601
01:42:15,865 --> 01:42:18,605
Um, I typically have to go like, into the intersection

1602
01:42:18,865 --> 01:42:20,925
for somebody to like actually see

1603
01:42:20,925 --> 01:42:23,005
that we're making the attempt, um, for us

1604
01:42:23,005 --> 01:42:24,565
to then feel safe crossing.

1605
01:42:24,705 --> 01:42:25,965
So that, I don't know if

1606
01:42:25,965 --> 01:42:27,005
there's anything we can do about that.

1607
01:42:27,545 --> 01:42:29,165
Um, and then just piggybacking on that,

1608
01:42:29,165 --> 01:42:31,125
the bike lanes, same sort of concept.

1609
01:42:31,195 --> 01:42:33,445
Like I don't feel safe at all in the

1610
01:42:33,445 --> 01:42:34,605
bike lanes with my 8-year-old.

1611
01:42:35,105 --> 01:42:36,685
Um, you know, she's a decent rider,

1612
01:42:36,985 --> 01:42:38,845
she just learned last year, but like, it's just not,

1613
01:42:38,965 --> 01:42:40,245
I dunno if it's wide enough, but like,

1614
01:42:40,375 --> 01:42:42,245
maybe it's just further south on main there,

1615
01:42:42,245 --> 01:42:44,405
but like, people are going pretty decently fast

1616
01:42:44,465 --> 01:42:47,165
before they get into, you know, proper downtown.

1617
01:42:47,545 --> 01:42:49,365
And, um, you know, again, I just,

1618
01:42:49,385 --> 01:42:51,325
I'm not sure if there's anything we could do if the DDA can

1619
01:42:51,325 --> 01:42:53,205
maybe take a peek if, or if that's even in their zone.

1620
01:42:53,225 --> 01:42:54,725
But, um, you know, I,

1621
01:42:54,875 --> 01:42:56,325
it's just not effective and I don't feel

1622
01:42:56,325 --> 01:42:57,445
safe. So thank you guys.

1623
01:42:58,145 --> 01:43:02,035
Thank you. So real quick, uh, just, um,

1624
01:43:02,545 --> 01:43:07,235
with the bike lanes, the, uh, there is a redesign happening

1625
01:43:07,235 --> 01:43:09,235
of the downtown with the DTP forward

1626
01:43:09,895 --> 01:43:12,315
and, um, one of those redesigns

1627
01:43:12,315 --> 01:43:15,075
that they're looking at is redesigning those bike

1628
01:43:15,075 --> 01:43:16,235
lanes to be more protective.

1629
01:43:16,735 --> 01:43:20,995
So probably, um, as it rolls out, they will change,

1630
01:43:21,415 --> 01:43:23,395
but we're not going to do anything

1631
01:43:23,395 --> 01:43:24,395
and then change them again.

1632
01:43:24,735 --> 01:43:26,915
So it it's definitely on the radar. People.

1633
01:43:27,435 --> 01:43:28,875
I, I know how you're feeling. Yeah.

1634
01:43:30,615 --> 01:43:33,275
Julian Brooks, 2 5 6 Farmer.

1635
01:43:34,335 --> 01:43:37,475
Um, somewhat related to, uh, the items up there

1636
01:43:38,215 --> 01:43:41,555
is Allie maintenance looking for guidance

1637
01:43:42,225 --> 01:43:44,355
because depending on what season it is,

1638
01:43:45,105 --> 01:43:47,595
it's either a dust bowl, a swimming pool,

1639
01:43:47,975 --> 01:43:49,155
or an ice skating ring.

1640
01:43:50,295 --> 01:43:53,005
So when you look at kind of the conversations

1641
01:43:53,005 --> 01:43:54,565
that are taking place here, liability,

1642
01:43:56,495 --> 01:43:58,435
and again, depending on where the alley is,

1643
01:43:58,745 --> 01:44:01,595
it's either frequent use, lot of traffic, lot

1644
01:44:01,595 --> 01:44:05,235
of foot traffic, but again, who's, who's responsible for it?

1645
01:44:07,905 --> 01:44:09,865
I can, oh,

1646
01:44:10,395 --> 01:44:11,395
Chris. He disappeared

1647
01:44:11,395 --> 01:44:12,665
at the right time. Well,

1648
01:44:12,745 --> 01:44:15,025
I, I can actually answer some of question,

1649
01:44:30,505 --> 01:44:31,645
Ah, alley maintenance.

1650
01:44:31,675 --> 01:44:35,005
That is a topic that has come up, uh, many, many times.

1651
01:44:35,465 --> 01:44:38,395
Um, God, I don't even know where to start

1652
01:44:38,395 --> 01:44:42,475
because realistically they're not, well,

1653
01:44:43,495 --> 01:44:45,595
I'm trying to think which ones do belong to the city.

1654
01:44:45,915 --> 01:44:47,475
'cause the reality is not most of 'em do.

1655
01:44:48,385 --> 01:44:51,645
Um, they're shared responsibility of the property owners.

1656
01:44:52,805 --> 01:44:55,465
Um, if there's a specific one you'd like us

1657
01:44:55,465 --> 01:44:57,185
to take a look at, I mean, we have to go back

1658
01:44:57,185 --> 01:44:58,905
and look at all the deeds and all that good stuff

1659
01:44:59,255 --> 01:45:03,625
because some of them, and I'm not trying to just generalize

1660
01:45:03,625 --> 01:45:04,665
or mischaracterize,

1661
01:45:05,325 --> 01:45:08,625
but those that are called alleys, um,

1662
01:45:09,245 --> 01:45:10,865
are not public alleys,

1663
01:45:10,865 --> 01:45:12,905
but they're actually shared use

1664
01:45:12,905 --> 01:45:14,825
between the residents in a specific area.

1665
01:45:15,005 --> 01:45:17,105
So I'm not trying to dismiss or,

1666
01:45:17,325 --> 01:45:19,785
or, um, just beat around the bush,

1667
01:45:19,925 --> 01:45:23,545
but it's probably best if we like, identify which ones

1668
01:45:23,545 --> 01:45:24,625
or which ones which you're talking about,

1669
01:45:24,625 --> 01:45:25,625
and then we can look at them

1670
01:45:25,645 --> 01:45:26,665
and kind of dive a little bit

1671
01:45:26,665 --> 01:45:27,905
deeper on that. Yeah. Does that

1672
01:45:27,905 --> 01:45:28,905
Make sense? So I'm, yes.

1673
01:45:28,905 --> 01:45:30,705
And I'm selfishly kind

1674
01:45:30,825 --> 01:45:32,465
of looking at my address specifically

1675
01:45:32,465 --> 01:45:35,785
because we, we have one running right,

1676
01:45:35,995 --> 01:45:37,385
right down the side of our house.

1677
01:45:39,675 --> 01:45:42,035
I dunno. So farmer of my farm and start weather.

1678
01:45:43,245 --> 01:45:45,465
So the, the, the issue as well is there's a number

1679
01:45:45,485 --> 01:45:48,265
of rental properties that sit on the side of there.

1680
01:45:48,805 --> 01:45:50,705
So there's probably a lot more traffic

1681
01:45:50,815 --> 01:45:52,265
that goes up and down that.

1682
01:45:53,085 --> 01:45:55,985
Um, and again, just looking for guidance who's, who's meant

1683
01:45:55,985 --> 01:45:58,585
to maintain it, how does that cost get met?

1684
01:45:59,675 --> 01:46:02,015
Did did you happen to grab one of the sheets

1685
01:46:02,015 --> 01:46:03,135
with our contact info?

1686
01:46:04,245 --> 01:46:05,485
I have your contact. Yeah. I

1687
01:46:05,485 --> 01:46:06,485
Would say please, please reach out.

1688
01:46:06,845 --> 01:46:08,405
I absolutely, yes.

1689
01:46:08,925 --> 01:46:11,525
I, I'm just hesitant to answer on something I No, I know.

1690
01:46:11,635 --> 01:46:13,805
Flat out, don't my, and I was expect an answer

1691
01:46:13,805 --> 01:46:15,165
either, so Yeah. So,

1692
01:46:15,165 --> 01:46:16,365
But absolutely please reach out.

1693
01:46:16,365 --> 01:46:17,565
We we're happy to take a look.

1694
01:46:17,855 --> 01:46:19,125
Thank you. Please. Thank you.

1695
01:46:25,495 --> 01:46:26,755
Hi, I'm Barb Pelkey.

1696
01:46:26,795 --> 01:46:30,075
I live at 5 6 3 North Harvey for 53 years,

1697
01:46:31,255 --> 01:46:34,555
but I've lived in the Bloom community since 1964.

1698
01:46:35,865 --> 01:46:38,925
And, um, I can relate to so many of these things.

1699
01:46:39,005 --> 01:46:40,285
I don't know where to start now,

1700
01:46:40,985 --> 01:46:42,805
but, uh, as far as the alleys go,

1701
01:46:43,825 --> 01:46:45,605
the one was closed on my block.

1702
01:46:45,985 --> 01:46:50,205
So I have the alley, it's all, all closed from Junction

1703
01:46:50,785 --> 01:46:55,415
to farmer and we all got it on our side AM street.

1704
01:46:55,435 --> 01:46:58,175
Didn't get any of it because we're different subdivisions.

1705
01:46:59,035 --> 01:47:01,535
And it's been wonderful because now I have more property.

1706
01:47:01,955 --> 01:47:05,655
But at the same time, I also have talking about the bigger

1707
01:47:05,675 --> 01:47:09,615
houses, I have one that was sold next door to me

1708
01:47:10,195 --> 01:47:12,655
and it will be a tear down in the June, in June

1709
01:47:12,875 --> 01:47:14,095
or in the spring anyway.

1710
01:47:14,905 --> 01:47:17,845
And, uh, one up the street, same block,

1711
01:47:18,635 --> 01:47:19,685
same side of the street.

1712
01:47:20,545 --> 01:47:21,965
And I was looking at it today

1713
01:47:22,345 --> 01:47:25,365
and the peak on the house, now they've got the peak on it.

1714
01:47:26,585 --> 01:47:28,805
It just towers over the house next door.

1715
01:47:29,105 --> 01:47:31,245
And I know that's probably what's gonna happen to me.

1716
01:47:31,915 --> 01:47:34,215
And then there'll be no sunshine coming from the south,

1717
01:47:35,075 --> 01:47:37,655
but, um, that, that upsets me.

1718
01:47:38,525 --> 01:47:39,615
Nothing I can do about it.

1719
01:47:39,615 --> 01:47:40,935
But I would hope that you can

1720
01:47:41,805 --> 01:47:44,295
slow down this tearing down it.

1721
01:47:45,565 --> 01:47:46,655
It's just one of those things.

1722
01:47:47,715 --> 01:47:52,335
Um, my other question is under community connectivity,

1723
01:47:53,315 --> 01:47:55,735
um, research opportunities to partner

1724
01:47:55,805 --> 01:47:58,575
with the Plymouth Community Council on Aging

1725
01:47:59,195 --> 01:48:02,295
and other agencies, it says it's under,

1726
01:48:02,405 --> 01:48:04,055
it's completed. What changed?

1727
01:48:05,005 --> 01:48:06,375
Yeah. I would actually take issue with

1728
01:48:06,375 --> 01:48:07,415
that being completed as well.

1729
01:48:07,715 --> 01:48:10,615
Um, I would more fairly put that endured in progress. And

1730
01:48:10,615 --> 01:48:11,815
That's, I think I talked to you at one.

1731
01:48:12,005 --> 01:48:13,855
Yeah, I think we have talked a couple of times about that.

1732
01:48:14,475 --> 01:48:15,975
So in the, the coming year,

1733
01:48:16,655 --> 01:48:18,735
I think we're talking about this in February, we're hoping

1734
01:48:18,735 --> 01:48:21,135
to do a senior needs assessment where we're partnering

1735
01:48:21,135 --> 01:48:23,895
with Plymouth Township in the United Way,

1736
01:48:24,035 --> 01:48:26,615
and also Don Sunan who, um, has decided

1737
01:48:26,635 --> 01:48:28,015
to help support this as well.

1738
01:48:28,125 --> 01:48:29,215
I've Heard that too. Yeah.

1739
01:48:29,315 --> 01:48:32,015
And so we wanted to kind of get an idea of

1740
01:48:32,125 --> 01:48:35,775
what this community wants for, for senior services.

1741
01:48:35,775 --> 01:48:37,055
Right. I think there's a big difference

1742
01:48:37,055 --> 01:48:39,455
between someone who's maybe in their sixties versus someone

1743
01:48:39,455 --> 01:48:42,535
who's in their eighties in terms of the kinds of activities

1744
01:48:42,535 --> 01:48:43,535
and support and stuff like that.

1745
01:48:43,535 --> 01:48:47,095
Mm-hmm. I want the PCCA to be a part of the survey as well

1746
01:48:47,115 --> 01:48:48,295
and to maybe even host some

1747
01:48:48,295 --> 01:48:50,575
of those engagement sessions since it does have a very

1748
01:48:50,575 --> 01:48:53,455
active membership and they've been doing senior services

1749
01:48:53,455 --> 01:48:54,575
themselves for many years.

1750
01:48:55,315 --> 01:48:58,535
So that to me is really a more in progress item.

1751
01:48:58,635 --> 01:49:01,415
But that's the sort of next item on the horizon is

1752
01:49:01,475 --> 01:49:04,255
to do the senior needs assessment to figure out where we are

1753
01:49:04,315 --> 01:49:06,615
and then to, you know, go from there.

1754
01:49:06,795 --> 01:49:08,735
So it's, it's, that's definitely to my mind,

1755
01:49:08,735 --> 01:49:11,135
it does more belong accurately in the, in in progress.

1756
01:49:11,135 --> 01:49:12,575
So, so we not completed, we're gonna check

1757
01:49:12,845 --> 01:49:14,375
Into it would in February, say, correct.

1758
01:49:14,855 --> 01:49:16,375
Yeah. Well that's, that's when the senior needs

1759
01:49:16,375 --> 01:49:17,455
assessment's gonna start.

1760
01:49:17,915 --> 01:49:19,695
But in terms of improving

1761
01:49:19,755 --> 01:49:21,815
and enhancing our, our senior services,

1762
01:49:22,335 --> 01:49:24,535
I think we'll be working on that for the rest of this year.

1763
01:49:24,715 --> 01:49:26,575
And certainly for as long as I'm on the commission,

1764
01:49:26,675 --> 01:49:27,855
that's gonna be something I'll be

1765
01:49:27,975 --> 01:49:28,975
Prioritizing. I know. I, I've

1766
01:49:28,975 --> 01:49:32,095
never really needed it at all. Mm-hmm.

1767
01:49:32,175 --> 01:49:33,415
Um, I use the exercise classes

1768
01:49:33,735 --> 01:49:35,175
'cause it's got an excellent instructor.

1769
01:49:35,175 --> 01:49:38,615
Yeah. But as far as the women

1770
01:49:38,615 --> 01:49:39,975
that I see that go there, yeah.

1771
01:49:40,055 --> 01:49:42,975
I mean they, they, the ones that work

1772
01:49:43,515 --> 01:49:48,325
and do the parties and the gatherings and the bingo

1773
01:49:48,325 --> 01:49:50,525
and all that other stuff that a lot of seniors like to do.

1774
01:49:50,525 --> 01:49:53,805
Mm-hmm. Also, they take in, um,

1775
01:49:54,985 --> 01:49:58,245
or I should date, it's donated to them, walkers,

1776
01:49:58,735 --> 01:49:59,925
canes, that kind of thing.

1777
01:49:59,925 --> 01:50:01,725
And they can give it to the seniors. Yeah.

1778
01:50:01,865 --> 01:50:06,125
So that's one thing too that I, um, see and,

1779
01:50:06,465 --> 01:50:09,245
and I just, I, I want to be a voice for some of the people

1780
01:50:09,245 --> 01:50:12,325
that won't come and speak up about the Council on Aging.

1781
01:50:12,585 --> 01:50:13,645
And I appreciate that too.

1782
01:50:13,645 --> 01:50:15,565
That, that's been a, a big passion of mine

1783
01:50:15,585 --> 01:50:17,045
and something that I've been advocating for. We

1784
01:50:17,045 --> 01:50:18,445
Thought it was gonna close in September.

1785
01:50:18,805 --> 01:50:21,205
I know, I know. So yeah. That, that's that. Definitely.

1786
01:50:21,605 --> 01:50:22,885
'cause other communities have beautiful.

1787
01:50:23,515 --> 01:50:26,525
Yeah. And it, that is PCCA really has been sort of the,

1788
01:50:26,545 --> 01:50:27,605
for all intents and purposes,

1789
01:50:27,605 --> 01:50:29,005
senior center for both Plymouth.

1790
01:50:29,145 --> 01:50:30,845
So Yeah. Yes. You, you have,

1791
01:50:30,865 --> 01:50:33,325
you have my commitment Icontinue working on

1792
01:50:33,325 --> 01:50:34,325
That. And when I moved into my house,

1793
01:50:34,325 --> 01:50:35,475
yeah.

1794
01:50:35,475 --> 01:50:36,995
We were the youngest family on this.

1795
01:50:37,795 --> 01:50:40,515
Needless to say, Plymouth is aging 53. It is. How did that

1796
01:50:40,515 --> 01:50:41,515
Change? It absolutely

1797
01:50:41,515 --> 01:50:43,995
is. No, I'm the historian on the block,

1798
01:50:45,055 --> 01:50:48,355
but, uh, that, that's one, that's one of my big things

1799
01:50:48,355 --> 01:50:51,115
that I'm just trying to wanna help that group.

1800
01:50:51,385 --> 01:50:55,275
Yeah, For sure. And uh, I also have parents in the

1801
01:50:56,295 --> 01:50:57,775
cemetery Riverside Cemetery.

1802
01:50:58,115 --> 01:51:00,255
That's, that's another source spot with me

1803
01:51:00,965 --> 01:51:05,135
because twice the flowers were mowed over.

1804
01:51:05,555 --> 01:51:07,175
And I know for a fact it was mowed over

1805
01:51:07,175 --> 01:51:09,615
because I had one of the city workers go out there

1806
01:51:09,675 --> 01:51:11,295
and he said, oh yeah, you were right

1807
01:51:11,325 --> 01:51:13,055
because you could see the blade marks.

1808
01:51:13,875 --> 01:51:15,815
And uh, I know it's contracted out.

1809
01:51:16,395 --> 01:51:18,425
My husband worked for the city years ago

1810
01:51:19,345 --> 01:51:20,925
in the DPW department.

1811
01:51:21,265 --> 01:51:25,365
And uh, so I learned a lot about the city in general

1812
01:51:25,555 --> 01:51:27,485
with him working there and things that,

1813
01:51:27,985 --> 01:51:30,405
and the city took care of the lot, the cemetery,

1814
01:51:31,105 --> 01:51:34,125
it was much more attractive than it's today.

1815
01:51:35,185 --> 01:51:37,805
Uh, last year, not this year, but the year before.

1816
01:51:38,745 --> 01:51:42,165
Uh, reefs across America, we do that in, in December.

1817
01:51:43,035 --> 01:51:45,345
Thank God there was no snow, snow like this year,

1818
01:51:45,535 --> 01:51:46,545
cold, snow, awful.

1819
01:51:47,065 --> 01:51:48,585
Couldn't even see the headstones.

1820
01:51:48,845 --> 01:51:52,145
But last year the leaves were this high,

1821
01:51:53,205 --> 01:51:56,835
along all the roads, they'd never even come back before.

1822
01:51:57,635 --> 01:51:59,395
December was usually like 14th

1823
01:51:59,535 --> 01:52:01,395
or something middle of December

1824
01:52:01,855 --> 01:52:04,155
to pick up those leaves or do something with them.

1825
01:52:05,125 --> 01:52:07,825
So that's gotta be, I think something that needs

1826
01:52:07,825 --> 01:52:09,425
to be looked into that cemetery.

1827
01:52:10,715 --> 01:52:11,855
And let's,

1828
01:52:11,995 --> 01:52:15,375
We do have a cemetery committee and um, Greta

1829
01:52:15,375 --> 01:52:17,495
and Adam are over that committee

1830
01:52:17,915 --> 01:52:20,935
and we've been working collaboratively to see what we can do

1831
01:52:21,035 --> 01:52:23,135
to, um, move forward on some things.

1832
01:52:23,155 --> 01:52:25,255
But a lot of it is cost prohibitive,

1833
01:52:25,435 --> 01:52:27,255
but we're trying to work out a plan on that.

1834
01:52:27,965 --> 01:52:30,425
And the architects are reviewing things

1835
01:52:30,425 --> 01:52:31,465
that they've submitted already.

1836
01:52:31,645 --> 01:52:35,205
So, and Brock will be taking over that cemetery committee.

1837
01:52:35,585 --> 01:52:40,355
Oh, okay. And then the potholes,

1838
01:52:40,355 --> 01:52:41,475
which of course it's December,

1839
01:52:41,735 --> 01:52:43,715
but there's been potholes all summer too.

1840
01:52:44,635 --> 01:52:48,285
I don't know, are we getting a street plan in the works

1841
01:52:48,425 --> 01:52:50,815
or anything like that?

1842
01:52:51,805 --> 01:52:54,345
Are you talking about potholes around the city

1843
01:52:55,005 --> 01:52:56,785
or, yes, in the cemetery specifically, we driven

1844
01:52:56,785 --> 01:52:59,505
Them down Ann Arbor Trail between, uh, main Street

1845
01:52:59,845 --> 01:53:01,025
and the railroad track.

1846
01:53:02,525 --> 01:53:04,665
So I'm gonna give you one, two part answer.

1847
01:53:05,085 --> 01:53:07,065
So potholes are routine maintenance

1848
01:53:07,525 --> 01:53:10,705
and we send out the cold patch truck periodically,

1849
01:53:10,795 --> 01:53:13,265
especially more in the winter time, to patch. Oh.

1850
01:53:13,765 --> 01:53:15,745
And I remember that potholes from my husband working for

1851
01:53:15,745 --> 01:53:16,745
The city. But we also have,

1852
01:53:16,745 --> 01:53:18,545
uh, infrastructure improvement plans

1853
01:53:18,545 --> 01:53:22,025
where we do roads, whether it is a full rebuild,

1854
01:53:22,035 --> 01:53:26,065
which requires the underground water, sewer, um, et cetera,

1855
01:53:26,525 --> 01:53:27,945
or just some resurfacing.

1856
01:53:28,445 --> 01:53:31,345
And the resurfacing projects are for those roads

1857
01:53:31,345 --> 01:53:33,305
that are identified to have surface defects,

1858
01:53:33,585 --> 01:53:34,985
potholes, cracks, et cetera.

1859
01:53:35,205 --> 01:53:37,145
But the utilities, these underneath are good.

1860
01:53:37,485 --> 01:53:40,185
And so each and every year we get the, uh, engineering team

1861
01:53:40,205 --> 01:53:44,265
to look at, um, the way roads are rated.

1862
01:53:44,645 --> 01:53:46,465
Um, there's, there's an engineering study

1863
01:53:46,465 --> 01:53:48,945
that's done every three-ish years or so,

1864
01:53:49,405 --> 01:53:50,785
and it looks at the surface area.

1865
01:53:50,845 --> 01:53:53,665
We compare it against water reliability studies, all kinds

1866
01:53:53,665 --> 01:53:56,105
of other data points, water main breaks, issues

1867
01:53:56,105 --> 01:53:59,065
of sanitary sewer issues that residents fence report,

1868
01:53:59,365 --> 01:54:00,545
we tv the sewers.

1869
01:54:00,645 --> 01:54:02,945
And then ultimately make a recommendation

1870
01:54:02,945 --> 01:54:06,585
to the commission on what projects we think we should do in

1871
01:54:06,585 --> 01:54:09,305
that year, whether they are reconstructs and

1872
01:54:09,405 --> 01:54:11,105
or resurfacing projects.

1873
01:54:11,845 --> 01:54:13,945
Um, and that's the second part

1874
01:54:14,045 --> 01:54:15,465
of some of the road maintenance.

1875
01:54:15,485 --> 01:54:20,075
So we have like routine maintenance for potholes or,

1876
01:54:20,095 --> 01:54:21,315
or cracks sealing

1877
01:54:21,315 --> 01:54:23,675
or whatever that's ongoing throughout the year.

1878
01:54:24,055 --> 01:54:26,435
And then road construction obviously in,

1879
01:54:26,535 --> 01:54:27,955
in a little bit nicer weather.

1880
01:54:28,455 --> 01:54:33,035
Um, and it's all based off of need of the roads, um,

1881
01:54:34,045 --> 01:54:35,235
using a number of criteria.

1882
01:54:35,665 --> 01:54:40,415
Well, there is a huge need for somebody to fill in, um,

1883
01:54:41,095 --> 01:54:44,095
a where there's a sewer drain, uh, I mean a

1884
01:54:44,095 --> 01:54:46,955
where manhole cover on stark weather

1885
01:54:47,525 --> 01:54:49,955
Point Park. You've got the yoga

1886
01:54:50,395 --> 01:54:51,915
I know the one I know. Yeah.

1887
01:54:51,915 --> 01:54:52,915
Right in front of wet buffalo. It's

1888
01:54:52,915 --> 01:54:55,395
way some summertime. I I know the one I saw it

1889
01:54:55,395 --> 01:54:56,555
on my drive in.

1890
01:54:57,055 --> 01:54:58,595
That's not the way I normally come in,

1891
01:54:58,595 --> 01:54:59,755
but as soon as you said,

1892
01:55:00,115 --> 01:55:01,515
I know exactly one you're talking about.

1893
01:55:01,915 --> 01:55:04,875
I go up and down that street a lot in that area.

1894
01:55:05,735 --> 01:55:07,675
And I mean, I live over on Harvey,

1895
01:55:07,815 --> 01:55:10,075
but, um, at the same time I'm going over

1896
01:55:10,075 --> 01:55:11,795
to the Council on Aging to do my exercise.

1897
01:55:12,135 --> 01:55:14,555
So as it turns out, I go by there a lot.

1898
01:55:14,585 --> 01:55:16,035
It's been that way since summertime.

1899
01:55:16,185 --> 01:55:18,275
Yeah. Truthfully, I bet that one needs more

1900
01:55:18,275 --> 01:55:20,915
of a manhole structure adjustment than just some cold patch.

1901
01:55:21,035 --> 01:55:22,475
I think it's a, I think it's a little bit more

1902
01:55:22,475 --> 01:55:23,515
than just a pothole,

1903
01:55:23,515 --> 01:55:24,835
But do you think it's going to get done

1904
01:55:25,185 --> 01:55:25,995
Well? I'm sorry, what?

1905
01:55:26,095 --> 01:55:27,395
Do you think it's gonna get done?

1906
01:55:28,175 --> 01:55:29,075
Oh, it absolutely

1907
01:55:29,075 --> 01:55:30,075
will get done. It's just a matter of when.

1908
01:55:30,865 --> 01:55:32,715
Yeah. Well it's been since summer

1909
01:55:32,895 --> 01:55:34,275
And, and the only reason I say

1910
01:55:34,275 --> 01:55:36,115
that is it's a little bit harder to do some

1911
01:55:36,115 --> 01:55:37,315
of the maintenance in the middle of winter.

1912
01:55:37,585 --> 01:55:41,235
Well, I know that, but that doesn't mean we won't address it

1913
01:55:41,265 --> 01:55:42,835
with even a temporary measure

1914
01:55:42,945 --> 01:55:45,445
to make the rideability a little better until such time

1915
01:55:45,635 --> 01:55:47,845
that we can actually redo the

1916
01:55:47,845 --> 01:55:49,325
manhole structure itself. Need

1917
01:55:49,325 --> 01:55:52,325
The oncoming traffic because it's so wide of a square.

1918
01:55:52,705 --> 01:55:55,645
Yep. That if my car just won't go over it, you know,

1919
01:55:55,645 --> 01:55:57,645
with wheel here and a wheel here. Yep.

1920
01:55:57,705 --> 01:55:59,245
So, yep. I I know the one you're talking about.

1921
01:55:59,245 --> 01:56:00,685
I saw it this morning. Okay,

1922
01:56:01,045 --> 01:56:02,045
Good.

1923
01:56:02,545 --> 01:56:04,245
And we wrote that one down specifically.

1924
01:56:04,875 --> 01:56:05,165
Okay.

1925
01:56:09,635 --> 01:56:10,895
Hi, Alicia Allen.

1926
01:56:11,115 --> 01:56:15,335
Um, oops, I don't need to, I'll walk around the rooms.

1927
01:56:16,115 --> 01:56:18,055
Um, uh, six 50 Pacific.

1928
01:56:18,195 --> 01:56:21,255
So, um, first I wanna thank all of you for doing this.

1929
01:56:21,575 --> 01:56:24,495
I think it's the first time in my nine years as a resident

1930
01:56:24,525 --> 01:56:26,615
that, um, we've had this kind of thing.

1931
01:56:26,635 --> 01:56:29,095
Or maybe I just missed it 'cause I was busy with kids.

1932
01:56:29,515 --> 01:56:30,535
Um, but this is great

1933
01:56:30,635 --> 01:56:32,055
and thank you to everyone

1934
01:56:32,075 --> 01:56:33,895
who took time out of their evening.

1935
01:56:34,195 --> 01:56:38,215
Um, it's a ing to see the number of people that care

1936
01:56:38,275 --> 01:56:39,775
and the community engagement.

1937
01:56:39,885 --> 01:56:42,335
This is what makes Plymouth wonderful.

1938
01:56:42,475 --> 01:56:43,855
And, um, I drive my husband

1939
01:56:44,445 --> 01:56:46,895
nuts when we're downtown in the summertime, so I'm like,

1940
01:56:46,895 --> 01:56:48,055
just love our little town.

1941
01:56:48,475 --> 01:56:52,895
And, and I, I do. Um, so, um, I love the events.

1942
01:56:53,095 --> 01:56:54,975
I love, I know we don't all agree on that,

1943
01:56:55,115 --> 01:56:57,975
but, um, it's a very vibrant place where we were able

1944
01:56:57,975 --> 01:57:00,215
to raise our kids for this nine years.

1945
01:57:00,555 --> 01:57:04,735
Um, I wanted to just kind of do some follow ups on a couple

1946
01:57:04,735 --> 01:57:06,895
of the things people have already brought up.

1947
01:57:06,995 --> 01:57:09,215
Um, so on the, on the roads

1948
01:57:09,275 --> 01:57:13,375
and the infrastructure improvement, um, is there a place

1949
01:57:13,375 --> 01:57:17,365
that we can see kind of like what's prioritized

1950
01:57:17,745 --> 01:57:22,365
and like for example, um, farmer is a wash

1951
01:57:22,505 --> 01:57:25,765
for nine years ago when we moved here, nice

1952
01:57:26,835 --> 01:57:28,405
asphalt could ride our bikes.

1953
01:57:28,745 --> 01:57:30,885
I'm a little scared to ride my bike just

1954
01:57:30,885 --> 01:57:33,085
because of some of the ruts on that road.

1955
01:57:33,185 --> 01:57:34,405
So like, as an example.

1956
01:57:34,505 --> 01:57:38,245
So we have a lot of roads that it may not be a big pothole,

1957
01:57:38,385 --> 01:57:41,235
but it's time. Is that

1958
01:57:41,305 --> 01:57:42,305
Okay? I didn't wanna interrupt.

1959
01:57:42,305 --> 01:57:42,875
I

1960
01:57:42,875 --> 01:57:44,675
I I was just waiting until you were done. I I just

1961
01:57:44,895 --> 01:57:46,275
So kind of like was conscious interrupted, kind

1962
01:57:46,275 --> 01:57:48,155
of like the broader infrastructure plan,

1963
01:57:48,815 --> 01:57:50,275
um, for, for the city.

1964
01:57:50,815 --> 01:57:54,315
Um, so what we like to do is not forecast

1965
01:57:54,415 --> 01:57:56,475
or project too far out.

1966
01:57:57,185 --> 01:58:00,275
What we like to do on a, a yearly basis is

1967
01:58:00,275 --> 01:58:02,555
with the engineer, we try to bring forward

1968
01:58:02,555 --> 01:58:04,275
to the commission, here's what we think about

1969
01:58:04,655 --> 01:58:05,675
for this current year.

1970
01:58:06,295 --> 01:58:09,435
And then in addition, we say, here are some other projects

1971
01:58:09,435 --> 01:58:12,035
that we anticipate over the next two to three years.

1972
01:58:12,655 --> 01:58:16,025
But what we don't want to do, um, no punt included,

1973
01:58:16,045 --> 01:58:18,945
but we don't wanna like set it in stone and be locked in

1974
01:58:18,945 --> 01:58:21,705
because there might be a, a deteriorating road

1975
01:58:22,015 --> 01:58:23,545
that got worse in one year

1976
01:58:23,645 --> 01:58:25,825
and then a different one shifts the next year.

1977
01:58:26,045 --> 01:58:27,865
Or there might be an underground issue

1978
01:58:27,865 --> 01:58:29,825
that sprung up, uh, over the winter.

1979
01:58:29,825 --> 01:58:31,505
And that kind of shifts the way we do things.

1980
01:58:32,085 --> 01:58:35,825
Um, but we do talk about those, um, with the engineer

1981
01:58:36,565 --> 01:58:40,265
and show those to the commission on, on like a,

1982
01:58:40,505 --> 01:58:43,365
a rough loosely projected two to three year, uh,

1983
01:58:43,365 --> 01:58:46,965
advance window of what we're thinking for subsequent years.

1984
01:58:47,715 --> 01:58:51,045
Okay. I will also tell you that we do have, um, it's,

1985
01:58:51,045 --> 01:58:53,005
it's called the pacer study, uh,

1986
01:58:53,045 --> 01:58:55,045
pavement asphalt, uh, surface.

1987
01:58:56,145 --> 01:58:57,365
We do have those on the website.

1988
01:58:57,465 --> 01:59:00,085
So you can see like what every row segment, it's done

1989
01:59:00,085 --> 01:59:03,485
by blocks what the, uh, rating is for it.

1990
01:59:03,555 --> 01:59:06,445
Okay. And it, and admitted it is a snapshot in time.

1991
01:59:07,105 --> 01:59:09,805
Um, so it's, if it's done every roughly three years

1992
01:59:09,805 --> 01:59:12,245
or so, if it was a couple years ago,

1993
01:59:12,465 --> 01:59:14,645
the road may be in much worse condition today

1994
01:59:14,645 --> 01:59:15,845
than it was even two years ago.

1995
01:59:15,905 --> 01:59:17,565
And it's not necessarily gonna get reflected

1996
01:59:18,095 --> 01:59:19,565
until the next time we do that.

1997
01:59:20,105 --> 01:59:22,365
Um, but just to give you a rough idea, we look at

1998
01:59:22,895 --> 01:59:24,405
those roads, um,

1999
01:59:24,755 --> 01:59:27,165
that we can provide some preventative maintenance

2000
01:59:27,165 --> 01:59:28,405
that may not be the worst of the worst

2001
01:59:28,945 --> 01:59:31,325
and keep those in a better condition from

2002
01:59:31,325 --> 01:59:32,405
asset management perspective.

2003
01:59:33,065 --> 01:59:35,785
But once it road gets to a certain level than

2004
01:59:36,575 --> 01:59:38,745
just surface treatments aren't gonna do it.

2005
01:59:38,745 --> 01:59:39,905
And we have to do reconstruction.

2006
01:59:39,905 --> 01:59:42,185
So it's, it's a bit of a balance act for us. Okay.

2007
01:59:42,245 --> 01:59:45,985
But we, we do, we do, um, project out a couple years

2008
01:59:46,005 --> 01:59:47,185
and share that, um,

2009
01:59:47,765 --> 01:59:49,705
at commission meetings about what we're thinking.

2010
01:59:50,135 --> 01:59:52,665
Okay. Uh, even if it's not quote unquote

2011
01:59:52,965 --> 01:59:54,145
the plan set in stone.

2012
01:59:54,565 --> 01:59:56,625
And is there, Oh, sorry, sorry, really quick, quick.

2013
01:59:56,625 --> 01:59:58,345
And Chris, you said that that's on the, the website,

2014
01:59:58,345 --> 02:00:00,585
that pacer study you were just talking about, so that,

2015
02:00:00,585 --> 02:00:01,825
that's actually something I didn't know.

2016
02:00:01,825 --> 02:00:03,785
It'd be a good representation to show people, like,

2017
02:00:03,785 --> 02:00:04,825
here's some things that we're

2018
02:00:04,825 --> 02:00:05,865
looking at in the near future. So

2019
02:00:06,415 --> 02:00:07,665
Yeah, it probably saves you a

2020
02:00:07,665 --> 02:00:09,145
million questions like my Definitely.

2021
02:00:09,405 --> 02:00:13,885
Um, and then the weather could change. Yeah.

2022
02:00:13,885 --> 02:00:14,885
I got a pothole. Well,

2023
02:00:14,885 --> 02:00:16,485
we just got a new pothole on our street.

2024
02:00:16,505 --> 02:00:18,205
You don't know about that until now.

2025
02:00:18,465 --> 02:00:22,085
Um, um, and, and on that 'cause,

2026
02:00:22,105 --> 02:00:24,405
and I don't wanna get down a rabbit hole,

2027
02:00:24,425 --> 02:00:27,085
but is there information about how all of that's funded?

2028
02:00:27,085 --> 02:00:30,325
Because some of the roads obviously are funded by the state

2029
02:00:30,705 --> 02:00:33,125
and, you know, not the responsibility of the city.

2030
02:00:33,505 --> 02:00:35,765
Um, is that information available there?

2031
02:00:35,905 --> 02:00:37,485
Or I could maybe have

2032
02:00:37,485 --> 02:00:38,485
A problem. Um, I'll,

2033
02:00:38,485 --> 02:00:39,365
I'll tell you this.

2034
02:00:39,425 --> 02:00:40,805
If you look at the city budget budget,

2035
02:00:40,805 --> 02:00:44,045
there's quite a nice writeup of history of all the roads,

2036
02:00:44,045 --> 02:00:45,685
bonds we did the, the budget actually

2037
02:00:45,685 --> 02:00:46,965
has a really nice Okay.

2038
02:00:47,185 --> 02:00:48,645
Um, history on the roads.

2039
02:00:48,865 --> 02:00:51,365
Um, that's, I would say start there. And then Chris, you can

2040
02:00:51,505 --> 02:00:52,505
Oh, thank, thank you. That's

2041
02:00:52,505 --> 02:00:54,845
exactly where I was gonna direct you to is we,

2042
02:00:54,865 --> 02:00:56,565
we do spend some, some time in,

2043
02:00:56,625 --> 02:00:59,645
in multiple pages talking about some of the road funding.

2044
02:00:59,645 --> 02:01:02,485
Obviously the gas and weight tax from the state pays

2045
02:01:02,485 --> 02:01:03,685
for a good proportion of it.

2046
02:01:04,145 --> 02:01:07,485
And admittedly that does not provide enough funding to redo

2047
02:01:07,585 --> 02:01:10,965
or even necessarily maintain the roads, um, to the level

2048
02:01:10,995 --> 02:01:12,725
that we are all comfortable with.

2049
02:01:13,425 --> 02:01:16,285
And so then we look to the voters for, uh,

2050
02:01:16,315 --> 02:01:17,925
road bonds periodically,

2051
02:01:18,505 --> 02:01:21,005
and then we try to get into again, uh,

2052
02:01:21,005 --> 02:01:22,725
like a three year projection of what we're gonna do.

2053
02:01:23,225 --> 02:01:26,365
Um, and then not to get into like bond sales and all that,

2054
02:01:26,825 --> 02:01:29,245
but if we sell bonds that are approved by the voters,

2055
02:01:29,505 --> 02:01:31,165
we have to do the work within three years.

2056
02:01:31,505 --> 02:01:33,805
So we try not to overextend ourselves. I see.

2057
02:01:33,955 --> 02:01:35,445
Even on like a bond issue

2058
02:01:35,475 --> 02:01:37,285
because we have to have the bandwidth

2059
02:01:37,425 --> 02:01:39,565
and disrupt all kinds of neighborhoods.

2060
02:01:39,905 --> 02:01:41,805
So you couldn't do like a bond like, Hey,

2061
02:01:41,825 --> 02:01:43,045
we have a 10 year plan.

2062
02:01:43,065 --> 02:01:46,005
You couldn't do a bond today for like a 10.

2063
02:01:46,065 --> 02:01:48,205
You could do it for like the first three years

2064
02:01:48,225 --> 02:01:49,365
or something. You couldn't do it

2065
02:01:49,465 --> 02:01:50,465
For a long time. Then actually chop it

2066
02:01:50,465 --> 02:01:51,005
so

2067
02:01:51,005 --> 02:01:53,765
that we would sell smaller portions of bonds.

2068
02:01:54,285 --> 02:01:57,405
I see. As opposed to trying to fund all 10 years

2069
02:01:57,745 --> 02:01:59,085
and get all the work done in three.

2070
02:01:59,435 --> 02:02:02,765
Okay. So we might sell like a quarter of the ask amount

2071
02:02:03,105 --> 02:02:05,325
for the first three years and then do it that way.

2072
02:02:05,505 --> 02:02:07,925
And that's, that's exactly what we're doing right now. Okay.

2073
02:02:08,035 --> 02:02:10,805
Okay. Um, but yeah, start, start with, with the, the,

2074
02:02:10,805 --> 02:02:15,445
the budget and by all means follow up with us, follow up

2075
02:02:15,445 --> 02:02:16,445
with our finance team.

2076
02:02:16,745 --> 02:02:19,985
Um, we actually enjoy talking about this kind of stuff.

2077
02:02:20,925 --> 02:02:25,025
Um, so, so I like to think that's a nice jumping off point,

2078
02:02:25,125 --> 02:02:27,905
but if, if you obviously still have questions, reach out

2079
02:02:27,905 --> 02:02:29,985
to any of us and happy to talk about that. Okay.

2080
02:02:30,355 --> 02:02:34,025
Thank you. And another, um, question I have that's a bit

2081
02:02:34,025 --> 02:02:36,185
of a follow on communications,

2082
02:02:36,245 --> 02:02:39,785
but a little more like public safety, um, in, in nature

2083
02:02:40,165 --> 02:02:44,865
and that, that is how do we stay abreast of,

2084
02:02:45,245 --> 02:02:46,545
you know, little things?

2085
02:02:46,645 --> 02:02:50,865
So if, if there's a crime at a business downtown at 10,

2086
02:02:51,055 --> 02:02:52,625
I'll use on in snow as an example.

2087
02:02:52,815 --> 02:02:55,665
Like someone threw a brick brick through the windows

2088
02:02:56,005 --> 02:02:59,105
and vandalized the business and I think maybe another one

2089
02:02:59,105 --> 02:03:03,665
or two, um, those were posted by the, the businesses.

2090
02:03:04,045 --> 02:03:07,025
Um, I didn't see anything necessarily coming from like

2091
02:03:07,025 --> 02:03:08,265
public safety or anything.

2092
02:03:08,285 --> 02:03:11,825
And there's other, like, I mean, I feel extremely fortunate

2093
02:03:11,825 --> 02:03:14,665
to live in such a, a safe town

2094
02:03:14,665 --> 02:03:16,945
where a broken window might be the worst of our problems,

2095
02:03:17,365 --> 02:03:19,905
but, um, I know there were incidents

2096
02:03:20,005 --> 02:03:22,745
of kids doing like a TikTok challenge

2097
02:03:22,885 --> 02:03:25,225
and kicking people's doors in.

2098
02:03:25,565 --> 02:03:29,585
Um, that's, that's a problem. Um, it's very dangerous.

2099
02:03:29,925 --> 02:03:34,105
Um, there have been some, um, I think some

2100
02:03:34,745 --> 02:03:38,375
incidents of, uh, some people going to doors

2101
02:03:38,515 --> 02:03:41,735
and seeing if doors are unlocked while people were home.

2102
02:03:41,795 --> 02:03:44,175
But I've only heard of those things

2103
02:03:44,175 --> 02:03:46,775
because I happen to know the people they've happen

2104
02:03:46,795 --> 02:03:48,055
to or their neighbors.

2105
02:03:48,235 --> 02:03:52,495
And so, um, how, how do we kind of without,

2106
02:03:53,195 --> 02:03:55,255
you know, being alarmist necessarily,

2107
02:03:55,515 --> 02:03:58,015
but like how do we encourage residents

2108
02:03:58,015 --> 02:04:00,455
and help one another be vigilant, um,

2109
02:04:00,675 --> 02:04:03,095
and keeping an eye eye out for those things.

2110
02:04:03,275 --> 02:04:05,575
And that's for anyone. I keep looking at you, Chris. Okay.

2111
02:04:05,575 --> 02:04:07,535
Well let me, let me jump in on some of that.

2112
02:04:07,955 --> 02:04:10,695
So, um, to not try

2113
02:04:10,695 --> 02:04:12,775
to sound like a government official, it depends.

2114
02:04:13,275 --> 02:04:16,295
So here's what I mean. So when we are in a middle

2115
02:04:16,295 --> 02:04:18,775
of an active investigation, we don't comment

2116
02:04:18,945 --> 02:04:20,135
until we need to comment.

2117
02:04:20,275 --> 02:04:24,615
And sometimes we kind of know who the bad person is

2118
02:04:24,955 --> 02:04:27,095
and we don't need to put it out publicly

2119
02:04:27,095 --> 02:04:28,495
that we're looking for assistance.

2120
02:04:28,685 --> 02:04:30,375
Okay. But that's us working the case.

2121
02:04:30,945 --> 02:04:33,775
There are other times, um, not to name businesses

2122
02:04:33,775 --> 02:04:38,085
that have asked us for assistance, um, obviously to,

2123
02:04:38,145 --> 02:04:40,645
to solve the case, but, and then we go back to them

2124
02:04:40,705 --> 02:04:43,565
and say, Hey, do you have video footage that we can put out

2125
02:04:43,565 --> 02:04:46,365
because we don't have anything to go off of.

2126
02:04:47,235 --> 02:04:49,975
And, uh, if you follow some of our socials,

2127
02:04:49,975 --> 02:04:52,055
you would see those over the course of a year or so.

2128
02:04:52,395 --> 02:04:56,575
Uh, us asking for the public's help, um, as far

2129
02:04:56,575 --> 02:04:58,655
as communication, yeah, I, I I,

2130
02:04:58,655 --> 02:05:02,215
and I think back to like, um, there was a, a bit

2131
02:05:02,315 --> 02:05:04,215
of a flare up of people

2132
02:05:04,855 --> 02:05:06,495
breaking into cars that were unlocked.

2133
02:05:07,155 --> 02:05:09,815
And I remember getting with the chief and Hannah up front

2134
02:05:09,815 --> 02:05:11,295
and we said, let's get this out right now.

2135
02:05:11,955 --> 02:05:15,535
Um, so as we become aware of things that are, uh,

2136
02:05:15,695 --> 02:05:18,015
I guess creating a pattern, those are

2137
02:05:18,015 --> 02:05:19,095
what we like to put out.

2138
02:05:19,315 --> 02:05:21,975
Um, once they're verified that, you know, our,

2139
02:05:22,155 --> 02:05:23,935
our night officers, and I'm not trying

2140
02:05:23,935 --> 02:05:25,815
to just say it happens at night,

2141
02:05:25,835 --> 02:05:27,015
but that's where we get a lot

2142
02:05:27,015 --> 02:05:29,015
of reports from the night officers that go here, here's

2143
02:05:29,015 --> 02:05:31,135
what we're seeing, here's what the calls

2144
02:05:31,395 --> 02:05:32,855
of service were for the night.

2145
02:05:33,315 --> 02:05:34,895
Now let's follow up during the daytime

2146
02:05:34,915 --> 02:05:36,215
and get that information out.

2147
02:05:36,355 --> 02:05:39,175
And, um, we, we do try to use the socials on that

2148
02:05:39,205 --> 02:05:42,495
because we're reaching a lot more people faster that way.

2149
02:05:42,725 --> 02:05:46,575
Okay. And it, it, that's usually where I see things.

2150
02:05:46,695 --> 02:05:48,415
I need to figure out how to get on the email.

2151
02:05:48,575 --> 02:05:50,095
I think I've tried it a couple of times.

2152
02:05:50,135 --> 02:05:53,815
I don't get the city emails other than the DDA one that,

2153
02:05:53,815 --> 02:05:57,095
that I think was set up in October regarding the, um,

2154
02:05:57,445 --> 02:06:00,175
updates that are being planned. Alright,

2155
02:06:00,215 --> 02:06:02,295
I got a quick one on the email here.

2156
02:06:02,395 --> 02:06:04,575
Here's something that, that has, um,

2157
02:06:04,965 --> 02:06:06,255
been a misnomer for some people.

2158
02:06:06,755 --> 02:06:10,455
So once you sign up, you actually get a confirmation email.

2159
02:06:10,715 --> 02:06:12,415
If you don't confirm your

2160
02:06:12,655 --> 02:06:13,815
subscription, you won't get the emails.

2161
02:06:14,165 --> 02:06:17,135
Okay. And the reason for it, it's a protection

2162
02:06:17,135 --> 02:06:20,175
so people don't spam your email to our system.

2163
02:06:20,195 --> 02:06:21,855
And then you're just getting frivolous emails

2164
02:06:22,315 --> 02:06:24,375
so you can sign up for all kinds of things,

2165
02:06:24,515 --> 02:06:26,375
bid job openings, agendas,

2166
02:06:26,555 --> 02:06:28,175
all meeting notices, all that good stuff.

2167
02:06:28,395 --> 02:06:31,015
But unless you confirm your subscription,

2168
02:06:31,275 --> 02:06:32,855
you won't actually get, the emails won't get it.

2169
02:06:32,855 --> 02:06:35,575
Okay. So just that, that has, uh, come up a few times.

2170
02:06:35,955 --> 02:06:37,655
And so just a good reminder for folks.

2171
02:06:37,925 --> 02:06:39,815
Okay. Can

2172
02:06:40,675 --> 02:06:41,675
You go ahead. Um,

2173
02:06:41,675 --> 02:06:43,255
I want just jump in here

2174
02:06:43,255 --> 02:06:44,975
and get a little feedback from everyone.

2175
02:06:45,395 --> 02:06:48,055
And Chris, you and I talked about this, some of the things

2176
02:06:48,055 --> 02:06:50,655
that, um, you mentioned is a communication thing

2177
02:06:50,655 --> 02:06:51,775
and how do you find out things?

2178
02:06:52,385 --> 02:06:54,135
Chris, when I think Brock

2179
02:06:54,135 --> 02:06:56,095
and I were both, were surprised that the,

2180
02:06:56,195 --> 02:06:58,375
the roads information is somewhere on the website

2181
02:06:58,375 --> 02:07:00,695
and you know, I've been all over our website.

2182
02:07:00,785 --> 02:07:04,975
Right. Um, I think I'd like to know what's the interest of,

2183
02:07:05,635 --> 02:07:09,445
um, of us considering looking at

2184
02:07:09,445 --> 02:07:11,085
how we can maybe improve our website.

2185
02:07:11,085 --> 02:07:12,285
That's one of my pet peeves.

2186
02:07:12,325 --> 02:07:13,685
I wanna just see if I'm off base.

2187
02:07:13,705 --> 02:07:16,045
If it's only me, then it's not a priority.

2188
02:07:16,045 --> 02:07:17,965
But from the community, I think, um,

2189
02:07:18,425 --> 02:07:20,445
how do people think our website is

2190
02:07:20,465 --> 02:07:22,325
and can we put better information up there

2191
02:07:22,345 --> 02:07:24,445
or make it easier to find? Right?

2192
02:07:25,045 --> 02:07:27,765
I feel like it takes a little bit of digging my,

2193
02:07:27,945 --> 02:07:29,005
my myself.

2194
02:07:29,225 --> 02:07:31,165
It could do some modernization.

2195
02:07:31,505 --> 02:07:35,645
Um, I say that and I am not tech savvy enough to do that.

2196
02:07:35,945 --> 02:07:38,685
But, um, you know, I I was thinking about

2197
02:07:38,705 --> 02:07:41,045
as we were talking earlier about, you know, where some

2198
02:07:41,045 --> 02:07:44,165
of the initiatives are on the five year plan and everything.

2199
02:07:44,475 --> 02:07:46,805
Like people love dashboards

2200
02:07:46,865 --> 02:07:49,205
and is there some dashboarding that, you know,

2201
02:07:49,205 --> 02:07:50,325
are simple pictures?

2202
02:07:50,565 --> 02:07:55,085
'cause people, and myself included, um, digest some of

2203
02:07:55,085 --> 02:07:57,645
that easier and it's like, oh, this looks interesting.

2204
02:07:57,665 --> 02:08:00,485
Now let me get into the details a little bit.

2205
02:08:00,545 --> 02:08:03,685
So that would be just one person's suggestion.

2206
02:08:04,105 --> 02:08:06,805
Um, but, you know, happy to chat further with any

2207
02:08:06,805 --> 02:08:08,005
of you on my experience.

2208
02:08:08,575 --> 02:08:10,485
Thank you.

2209
02:08:11,345 --> 02:08:13,765
The, the quick thing I was gonna add to that, um, so

2210
02:08:13,865 --> 02:08:17,405
for emergency alert system stuff, so we also have Nixle

2211
02:08:17,405 --> 02:08:19,045
that we rolled out over the past year.

2212
02:08:19,045 --> 02:08:20,365
So if you're on that, that's also helpful.

2213
02:08:20,425 --> 02:08:23,365
So road closures and, uh, storms and all this kind of stuff.

2214
02:08:23,365 --> 02:08:25,205
So anybody that's not on that, it is really helpful.

2215
02:08:25,205 --> 02:08:26,405
You get immediate text about

2216
02:08:26,405 --> 02:08:27,485
things that are going on in the community.

2217
02:08:27,505 --> 02:08:28,505
So,

2218
02:08:32,535 --> 02:08:33,535
Okay. I think I've

2219
02:08:33,535 --> 02:08:36,665
given just about everybody a chance.

2220
02:08:37,925 --> 02:08:40,625
Um, I'm sorry if it's gonna be repeating some

2221
02:08:40,625 --> 02:08:43,065
of the information from a couple of the commission meetings,

2222
02:08:43,065 --> 02:08:44,705
but we have a lot more people that attend

2223
02:08:45,085 --> 02:08:46,305
or haven't attended before.

2224
02:08:47,005 --> 02:08:50,105
Um, my name's Jack Wilson. I live at 1157 Penman.

2225
02:08:50,685 --> 02:08:54,865
Um, and, um, I have sent this, uh, um, one

2226
02:08:54,865 --> 02:08:56,465
of my suggestions was that we need

2227
02:08:56,465 --> 02:08:58,945
to have an open issues list, be more,

2228
02:08:59,175 --> 02:09:02,305
have the city run more businesslike than, than maybe, uh,

2229
02:09:02,685 --> 02:09:04,065
um, has been done in the past.

2230
02:09:04,285 --> 02:09:05,865
And I've, I've sent that a couple

2231
02:09:05,865 --> 02:09:07,465
of weeks ago to the commissioners.

2232
02:09:07,925 --> 02:09:10,385
Um, I haven't gotten any feedback, but that's o that's okay.

2233
02:09:10,605 --> 02:09:13,345
Um, um, I can send it again.

2234
02:09:13,345 --> 02:09:15,745
It can be an attachment to this. Got more detail.

2235
02:09:16,585 --> 02:09:18,785
I was limited to three minutes during those meetings.

2236
02:09:18,865 --> 02:09:22,345
I had to come back again. Um, I'll be brief with the bullet.

2237
02:09:22,455 --> 02:09:23,985
I'll try to be brief with the bullet points.

2238
02:09:24,725 --> 02:09:28,265
The first is I think, um, I've commented a number

2239
02:09:28,265 --> 02:09:29,745
of times about the inadequate tornado

2240
02:09:30,375 --> 02:09:32,665
emergency warning system we have in the town.

2241
02:09:33,205 --> 02:09:35,865
Um, we missed December, which was after the last meeting.

2242
02:09:35,985 --> 02:09:38,705
I commented there was no siren. Uh, in January.

2243
02:09:38,835 --> 02:09:41,345
There was a faint siren. It was a calm, beautiful day.

2244
02:09:41,685 --> 02:09:43,425
If there's ever a storm, you'd never hear it.

2245
02:09:44,005 --> 02:09:47,025
Um, the next item that I had on the list was, I,

2246
02:09:47,065 --> 02:09:48,945
I think we should, uh, there should be

2247
02:09:48,945 --> 02:09:49,985
more of an opportunity.

2248
02:09:49,985 --> 02:09:51,305
And, and again, these are all

2249
02:09:51,305 --> 02:09:52,785
opportunities for improvements.

2250
02:09:52,855 --> 02:09:55,785
Okay. We, as many have stated, we live in a great town.

2251
02:09:55,815 --> 02:09:57,745
Okay. These are opportunities for improvements.

2252
02:09:58,365 --> 02:10:00,345
Um, work with public work safety

2253
02:10:00,405 --> 02:10:01,905
to be more community focused.

2254
02:10:02,485 --> 02:10:03,785
Uh, a couple of points on that.

2255
02:10:04,065 --> 02:10:06,585
I walk my kids to Bird Elementary, which if you don't know,

2256
02:10:06,585 --> 02:10:09,385
is across the street from, uh, uh, middle school,

2257
02:10:09,885 --> 02:10:11,265
um, on Sheldon Road.

2258
02:10:11,545 --> 02:10:14,465
I know it's in the township, but we cross Penman

2259
02:10:14,565 --> 02:10:16,785
and Sheldon, I do it four times a day.

2260
02:10:17,155 --> 02:10:18,705
We're near the hundredth day of school.

2261
02:10:19,135 --> 02:10:21,745
I've crossed that intersection 400 times roughly.

2262
02:10:22,605 --> 02:10:24,665
Uh, about a month ago I was at a commission meeting

2263
02:10:25,505 --> 02:10:27,745
complaining that I've only seen police there three times.

2264
02:10:28,365 --> 02:10:30,825
The police, the cars go around, the crossing guards,

2265
02:10:31,055 --> 02:10:32,265
they run the red light.

2266
02:10:32,685 --> 02:10:34,685
Um, almost if on cue

2267
02:10:34,685 --> 02:10:36,725
after the last meeting, there's been at least three

2268
02:10:37,005 --> 02:10:38,685
accidents that I know of at that intersection.

2269
02:10:39,425 --> 02:10:41,845
Um, I I I, I just don't want us

2270
02:10:41,845 --> 02:10:45,125
to be here talking about death of a child in particular

2271
02:10:45,125 --> 02:10:48,045
because no action has been taken less than 1%

2272
02:10:48,045 --> 02:10:49,885
of the time there's been a police officer

2273
02:10:50,345 --> 02:10:51,445
at that intersection.

2274
02:10:52,425 --> 02:10:56,565
Um, the other opportunity I think is, um, that, uh,

2275
02:10:56,985 --> 02:10:59,085
we should have the police walking the neighborhood,

2276
02:10:59,275 --> 02:11:01,405
walk a beat, know the people,

2277
02:11:01,745 --> 02:11:03,285
not just on a Friday night concert.

2278
02:11:03,785 --> 02:11:05,525
Get outta your cars, get

2279
02:11:05,525 --> 02:11:08,365
to know the citizens when you have a, a, um,

2280
02:11:08,765 --> 02:11:11,925
a millage come up like it did 10 years ago

2281
02:11:12,185 --> 02:11:13,565
so it doesn't get voted down.

2282
02:11:14,075 --> 02:11:16,365
Know the people that you're associated with.

2283
02:11:16,765 --> 02:11:19,445
I understand we're having a couple of officers or maybe one

2284
02:11:19,445 --> 02:11:20,805
or two that are retiring.

2285
02:11:21,315 --> 02:11:22,645
I've been here 20 some years,

2286
02:11:22,885 --> 02:11:24,285
I don't know their names, that's not right.

2287
02:11:24,825 --> 02:11:27,005
Uh, the Wayne County Sheriff's Office walk

2288
02:11:27,005 --> 02:11:28,365
down, walk their horses down.

2289
02:11:28,405 --> 02:11:29,525
I know we don't have horse horses.

2290
02:11:30,075 --> 02:11:32,885
They walked their horses down, uh, Penman Avenue, um,

2291
02:11:32,975 --> 02:11:34,205
maybe two months ago.

2292
02:11:34,545 --> 02:11:36,285
You wouldn't believe the PR that they got.

2293
02:11:36,665 --> 02:11:39,125
That's what you get from getting to know the people walking.

2294
02:11:39,425 --> 02:11:40,925
You may even find information about

2295
02:11:41,105 --> 02:11:42,645
crimes or things like that as well.

2296
02:11:43,385 --> 02:11:46,565
Um, and c, improving the city transparency.

2297
02:11:46,805 --> 02:11:50,445
I I mentioned at the last meeting, um, again, um,

2298
02:11:50,665 --> 02:11:53,285
the citizens voted to down a public safety increase.

2299
02:11:53,505 --> 02:11:56,805
Uh, most of our budget is public safety, police and fire.

2300
02:11:56,825 --> 02:11:58,645
At least the biggest chunk of it.

2301
02:11:59,025 --> 02:12:01,205
Um, I understand, I've been told this,

2302
02:12:01,285 --> 02:12:03,685
I don't know if it's true that when that got voted down,

2303
02:12:03,785 --> 02:12:05,645
the DA picked up the tab

2304
02:12:05,665 --> 02:12:09,205
for the additional officers, if that's true.

2305
02:12:09,445 --> 02:12:11,125
I guess I'm wondering is that

2306
02:12:11,125 --> 02:12:14,325
what the citizens intended when it was voted down?

2307
02:12:15,185 --> 02:12:16,995
Something to think about if that's true.

2308
02:12:17,815 --> 02:12:21,475
Um, I, I mentioned having a, an open issues document,

2309
02:12:21,475 --> 02:12:23,675
which is what I, what I've sent and what I'm reading from.

2310
02:12:24,575 --> 02:12:26,475
Um, I, I suggested we needed

2311
02:12:26,475 --> 02:12:27,915
to have competitive bid process.

2312
02:12:28,535 --> 02:12:31,395
We had a roof project that was a hundred thousand dollars.

2313
02:12:31,835 --> 02:12:33,035
I dunno what the final cost was.

2314
02:12:33,095 --> 02:12:34,915
The last meeting I was at, that's what it was gonna cost.

2315
02:12:35,335 --> 02:12:37,795
We did not have any, any amount of money at

2316
02:12:37,795 --> 02:12:40,555
that point in time that said, after $10,000

2317
02:12:40,655 --> 02:12:42,555
or 20,000 like Farmington Hills

2318
02:12:42,575 --> 02:12:44,795
or whatever, you have to competitively bid it.

2319
02:12:45,055 --> 02:12:46,755
So I suggested that we need to do that.

2320
02:12:47,495 --> 02:12:50,995
Um, I suggested that we have the charter updated.

2321
02:12:51,455 --> 02:12:55,915
So when for whatever reason a commissioner resigns is unable

2322
02:12:55,915 --> 02:12:59,435
to do their job or whatever it, the next person that takes

2323
02:12:59,435 --> 02:13:01,475
that commission spot is not chosen

2324
02:13:01,575 --> 02:13:02,995
by the mayor or the commission.

2325
02:13:03,425 --> 02:13:06,115
It's somebody who put in the time to walk the neighborhoods

2326
02:13:06,495 --> 02:13:07,795
to get out and get their votes.

2327
02:13:07,815 --> 02:13:09,715
And maybe they finished in fifth, sixth,

2328
02:13:09,715 --> 02:13:10,755
seventh or eighth place.

2329
02:13:11,215 --> 02:13:13,595
That's the only fair thing to do. And Ms.

2330
02:13:13,595 --> 02:13:14,835
Mayor, you have the chance

2331
02:13:14,855 --> 02:13:16,515
to be different than the previous mayors

2332
02:13:16,655 --> 02:13:19,035
who picked their own person rather than somebody

2333
02:13:19,035 --> 02:13:22,475
that finished, um, in, in reelection out of the running.

2334
02:13:24,275 --> 02:13:26,375
Um, the water fountains we have.

2335
02:13:26,435 --> 02:13:28,495
So we have more water fountains that are broken

2336
02:13:29,005 --> 02:13:30,855
than we do working water fountains.

2337
02:13:31,185 --> 02:13:34,165
And yet I heard that we spent $200,000 on,

2338
02:13:34,285 --> 02:13:36,805
I know I'm gonna mispronounce this bull yards

2339
02:13:36,875 --> 02:13:39,885
through those big metal things to, you know,

2340
02:13:39,895 --> 02:13:44,165
block the farmers Ballards $200,000 for that

2341
02:13:44,665 --> 02:13:46,765
and somebody could just drive across Kellogg Park.

2342
02:13:47,265 --> 02:13:49,765
You know, they aren't gonna go down the down the road.

2343
02:13:50,305 --> 02:13:52,845
The trucks seem very adequate to do that instead.

2344
02:13:53,505 --> 02:13:56,085
Um, we also spent, again, this is what I hear,

2345
02:13:56,085 --> 02:13:57,725
I may be wrong, but this is what I've been told,

2346
02:13:58,025 --> 02:14:02,285
$200,000 an intersection for those delayed walk signals

2347
02:14:02,285 --> 02:14:03,325
that are ridiculous.

2348
02:14:03,785 --> 02:14:06,485
Um, they, it's, it's, it's, it's silly.

2349
02:14:06,945 --> 02:14:08,845
Um, if you get to that intersection,

2350
02:14:08,985 --> 02:14:10,565
and I know there've been some changes, you get

2351
02:14:10,565 --> 02:14:12,805
to the intersection after the light has changed,

2352
02:14:13,355 --> 02:14:14,645
it's not gonna let you walk.

2353
02:14:15,265 --> 02:14:19,365
Um, so there's another opportunity is don't spend the money

2354
02:14:19,365 --> 02:14:21,245
on those unless you can get the software

2355
02:14:21,785 --> 02:14:25,085
or whatever to work better than, than the way it is.

2356
02:14:26,105 --> 02:14:30,045
Um, succession plan, it's great

2357
02:14:30,045 --> 02:14:31,725
that the city has a succession plan,

2358
02:14:32,105 --> 02:14:34,885
but we also, for key positions, we need

2359
02:14:34,885 --> 02:14:36,725
to be just like businesses.

2360
02:14:36,945 --> 02:14:38,205
You need to advertise

2361
02:14:38,625 --> 02:14:41,365
and promote, um, at least getting other people in

2362
02:14:41,475 --> 02:14:42,725
that may have fresh ideas.

2363
02:14:43,305 --> 02:14:46,325
Um, it minimizes the opportunity of the not invented here.

2364
02:14:46,325 --> 02:14:48,085
And this is no disrespect to anybody

2365
02:14:48,835 --> 02:14:50,765
from the succession plan plan that was chosen

2366
02:14:50,765 --> 02:14:52,285
to take over a leadership position.

2367
02:14:52,315 --> 02:14:55,765
It's just common sense that you look for the best person,

2368
02:14:56,215 --> 02:14:57,965
bring in fresh blood every now and then.

2369
02:14:58,225 --> 02:14:59,765
Um, that's what businesses do.

2370
02:15:00,545 --> 02:15:05,305
Um, I think that's pretty much it.

2371
02:15:06,085 --> 02:15:09,295
Um, quiet zones.

2372
02:15:09,315 --> 02:15:10,775
Yes, I was on the quiet zone committee,

2373
02:15:10,995 --> 02:15:12,095
um, with the citizens.

2374
02:15:12,635 --> 02:15:14,095
The city just did not wanna do it.

2375
02:15:14,485 --> 02:15:15,575
They claim liability,

2376
02:15:15,595 --> 02:15:18,175
but as was pointed out, Ferndale, they're all over Chicago.

2377
02:15:18,635 --> 02:15:21,815
Uh, there's one in Livonia on Stark, on Stark,

2378
02:15:21,855 --> 02:15:23,135
I think they call the roads called.

2379
02:15:23,595 --> 02:15:26,775
Um, so I know that the, it's all village people.

2380
02:15:26,775 --> 02:15:29,095
There's some, somebody that, uh, I think Karen, you,

2381
02:15:29,195 --> 02:15:31,335
you forwarded a name to me that yeah,

2382
02:15:31,345 --> 02:15:33,415
we've got fresh people up here, uh,

2383
02:15:33,715 --> 02:15:35,415
new city managers, et cetera.

2384
02:15:35,835 --> 02:15:39,535
Um, that, that, that was, that was dead on arrival.

2385
02:15:39,795 --> 02:15:42,255
It was, it was basically just a, a farce

2386
02:15:42,255 --> 02:15:44,255
that the city asked us to be involved.

2387
02:15:44,255 --> 02:15:45,415
They didn't want it to begin with.

2388
02:15:45,635 --> 02:15:48,695
So, um, maybe with the new commission it said that

2389
02:15:48,765 --> 02:15:51,815
that is an opportunity for, for a, a, a change.

2390
02:15:52,395 --> 02:15:54,495
Um, and then somebody mentioned recycling,

2391
02:15:54,895 --> 02:15:57,135
styrofoam recycling I think would be right up there, there

2392
02:15:57,135 --> 02:16:00,455
with, um, the composting and the batteries.

2393
02:16:00,995 --> 02:16:03,655
Um, I think that's another, um, good opportunity.

2394
02:16:04,315 --> 02:16:06,575
Um, that's it. Thank you.

2395
02:16:12,105 --> 02:16:13,255
Thank you. I'll make this quick.

2396
02:16:14,395 --> 02:16:19,055
Um, Jim Mulhern, 3 96 Arthur, um, Karen,

2397
02:16:19,055 --> 02:16:20,335
thanks for the shout out.

2398
02:16:21,745 --> 02:16:22,855
We're like all old people.

2399
02:16:23,035 --> 02:16:25,135
All this great work we did in our past, right?

2400
02:16:25,235 --> 02:16:26,455
You know, drudging up the past.

2401
02:16:26,515 --> 02:16:29,605
But, um, I would just say to everybody here,

2402
02:16:29,965 --> 02:16:32,525
'cause you made me think about something, is that, um,

2403
02:16:33,465 --> 02:16:37,325
we have a residential vision statement in the master plan.

2404
02:16:37,325 --> 02:16:39,965
Imagine that. So it tells developers

2405
02:16:39,965 --> 02:16:41,365
and it tells people who move into the

2406
02:16:41,365 --> 02:16:42,925
city what our vision is.

2407
02:16:42,925 --> 02:16:44,485
And so I'm gonna read, it's just three sentences.

2408
02:16:45,015 --> 02:16:47,445
Homes in the city of Plymouth shall contribute

2409
02:16:47,525 --> 02:16:50,165
to the character and desirability of the city.

2410
02:16:50,695 --> 02:16:53,245
Homes shall maintain the walkable character

2411
02:16:53,245 --> 02:16:56,085
of the neighborhoods with appropriate heights relative

2412
02:16:56,085 --> 02:16:58,925
to the street and appropriate distance from sidewalks.

2413
02:16:59,675 --> 02:17:02,725
They should be built size appropriate to their lots, to

2414
02:17:03,275 --> 02:17:06,795
allowing adequate space and sunlight to neighboring homes.

2415
02:17:07,435 --> 02:17:09,035
I lied four sentences. Last one.

2416
02:17:09,625 --> 02:17:12,515
They should maximize green space and trees

2417
02:17:12,935 --> 02:17:16,435
and minimize nonpermeable surfaces to allow

2418
02:17:16,435 --> 02:17:18,955
for both the continued forestation of Plymouth

2419
02:17:19,215 --> 02:17:22,315
and increase water infrastructure sustainability.

2420
02:17:23,215 --> 02:17:25,475
We spent a lot of time on that. Makes a lot of sense, right?

2421
02:17:25,555 --> 02:17:26,595
I think we, we have probably,

2422
02:17:26,655 --> 02:17:28,595
we have common ground in this room that,

2423
02:17:28,595 --> 02:17:29,715
that makes a lot of sense, right?

2424
02:17:29,775 --> 02:17:32,995
So how we do that, I have full faith in the commission

2425
02:17:33,135 --> 02:17:34,395
and I have full faith in the planning

2426
02:17:34,395 --> 02:17:35,475
commission to get that done.

2427
02:17:35,655 --> 02:17:37,395
We have a great planning commission right now.

2428
02:17:38,345 --> 02:17:40,315
They, they did hard work last year

2429
02:17:40,415 --> 02:17:41,675
and including the master plan,

2430
02:17:41,675 --> 02:17:45,195
but other things, including the PUD, which was contentious,

2431
02:17:46,135 --> 02:17:48,235
but they did the work and they fought about it

2432
02:17:48,295 --> 02:17:49,675
and they weren't lockstep

2433
02:17:49,695 --> 02:17:52,875
and they were a good diverse commission like we were, right?

2434
02:17:52,935 --> 02:17:54,595
You know, we have good people in place.

2435
02:17:54,855 --> 02:17:56,355
We have great planners in place.

2436
02:17:56,615 --> 02:17:57,955
Uh, we should follow the, um,

2437
02:17:58,635 --> 02:17:59,915
Michigan Institute of Planning too.

2438
02:18:00,295 --> 02:18:03,075
Follow science, follow the experts real quickly.

2439
02:18:03,095 --> 02:18:07,635
And I'm gonna finish. Um, so I ran

2440
02:18:07,635 --> 02:18:11,015
for city commission and it was that close,

2441
02:18:11,755 --> 02:18:13,855
but, um, you guys made great choices.

2442
02:18:14,355 --> 02:18:17,295
Um, what I heard, uh,

2443
02:18:17,695 --> 02:18:19,895
'cause I walked every, every street, every street.

2444
02:18:20,235 --> 02:18:22,535
Um, overwhelmingly, it was interesting

2445
02:18:22,615 --> 02:18:23,615
'cause I wasn't sure what I was gonna hear.

2446
02:18:23,615 --> 02:18:25,855
What I heard was, and it's been mentioned tonight,

2447
02:18:26,485 --> 02:18:28,055
streets, right?

2448
02:18:28,475 --> 02:18:32,375
Paving of streets and safety of streets, right? Awesome.

2449
02:18:32,635 --> 02:18:36,055
Um, so, um, that's out there.

2450
02:18:36,055 --> 02:18:37,055
People are concerned with it,

2451
02:18:37,075 --> 02:18:38,135
not just the people in this room,

2452
02:18:38,135 --> 02:18:42,295
but your neighbors, um, crosswalks are so appreciated.

2453
02:18:42,675 --> 02:18:43,975
Jan, you're in here somewhere.

2454
02:18:43,995 --> 02:18:46,735
You've advocated long for, um,

2455
02:18:47,785 --> 02:18:50,575
crosswalks in the hot main streets of old village, right?

2456
02:18:50,575 --> 02:18:52,575
And you're right, it's really fast through there.

2457
02:18:52,955 --> 02:18:55,255
Um, we love the crosswalks that have been put in

2458
02:18:55,955 --> 02:18:57,215
and more of them.

2459
02:18:57,555 --> 02:18:59,535
And then the last thing is, um,

2460
02:18:59,635 --> 02:19:01,615
and I mentioned it in that residential vision

2461
02:19:01,615 --> 02:19:03,215
statement was about trees.

2462
02:19:03,755 --> 02:19:07,655
And, um, shout out to former commissioner Kelly O'Donnell,

2463
02:19:08,115 --> 02:19:10,855
who is still out there in, in spirit trying

2464
02:19:10,855 --> 02:19:11,855
to keep Plymouth leafy.

2465
02:19:11,975 --> 02:19:14,535
I think we, I think we need to keep that, um,

2466
02:19:14,875 --> 02:19:19,775
in our sights just about keeping us as forested, right?

2467
02:19:20,415 --> 02:19:22,375
I I was walking the, the ducks today and,

2468
02:19:22,375 --> 02:19:23,895
and it was another new build coming up

2469
02:19:23,895 --> 02:19:25,135
and I'm sure it's gonna be beautiful,

2470
02:19:25,435 --> 02:19:27,685
but I know that street tree's gonna get knocked down

2471
02:19:27,905 --> 02:19:29,965
and there's not a tree on that site

2472
02:19:29,965 --> 02:19:33,005
because, you know, the market forces, you know,

2473
02:19:33,005 --> 02:19:35,765
is making them, you know, build a big home with no trees.

2474
02:19:36,105 --> 02:19:37,925
So anyway, thanks for listening you guys.

2475
02:19:37,955 --> 02:19:40,005
Best of luck and see you guys on the sidewalk.

2476
02:19:44,455 --> 02:19:46,515
Hi, um, my name is Naasha Vita.

2477
02:19:46,575 --> 02:19:49,595
I'm a resident six 70 South Evergreen Street.

2478
02:19:50,095 --> 02:19:53,835
I'm also a business owner. Um, I own Vida Voyager.

2479
02:19:54,065 --> 02:19:57,035
It's right on that, it's on Ann Arbor Trail, um,

2480
02:19:57,265 --> 02:20:00,155
like across the street from Ironwood Grill, right next

2481
02:20:00,175 --> 02:20:01,595
to the interior's place.

2482
02:20:01,615 --> 02:20:04,595
And what was formerly, um, this, the,

2483
02:20:04,615 --> 02:20:05,955
uh, edible arrangements.

2484
02:20:06,695 --> 02:20:09,515
And one thing I wanted to bring up is,

2485
02:20:10,585 --> 02:20:13,765
is there anything the city can do to, um, discourage

2486
02:20:14,605 --> 02:20:18,605
landlords, um, from keeping, uh, businesses vacant?

2487
02:20:19,155 --> 02:20:22,445
Because on either side of me right now, um, in this,

2488
02:20:22,635 --> 02:20:24,285
well on the right hand side is the

2489
02:20:24,285 --> 02:20:25,405
Mayflower Flower Building.

2490
02:20:26,265 --> 02:20:30,645
And both units on the ground floor that are next

2491
02:20:30,645 --> 02:20:32,925
to me are currently empty.

2492
02:20:33,345 --> 02:20:34,685
And they've been empty for so long.

2493
02:20:34,905 --> 02:20:37,925
And I know so many people wish that, um,

2494
02:20:38,875 --> 02:20:41,245
something good could go into one of those places, like,

2495
02:20:41,245 --> 02:20:43,485
especially like some kind of cafe or something like that.

2496
02:20:44,345 --> 02:20:48,525
Um, and then on top of that, just to the left of me is

2497
02:20:48,835 --> 02:20:50,325
what used to be a jewelry store.

2498
02:20:50,785 --> 02:20:52,645
And that's been vacant for a really long time.

2499
02:20:53,185 --> 02:20:55,965
Um, and it's just really created this void

2500
02:20:56,905 --> 02:20:59,405
in the walkway from, from where I am.

2501
02:20:59,825 --> 02:21:03,045
And without that walkway like encouraging people to come

2502
02:21:03,105 --> 02:21:04,325
and visit other places,

2503
02:21:04,545 --> 02:21:06,885
it just discourages people from coming to my store.

2504
02:21:06,885 --> 02:21:09,605
And I, I really do feel like I sensed the difference in

2505
02:21:09,605 --> 02:21:10,645
the last couple of years.

2506
02:21:11,345 --> 02:21:13,405
Um, so I just wanted to see if

2507
02:21:13,515 --> 02:21:15,165
that was on everyone's radar yet.

2508
02:21:15,345 --> 02:21:17,965
And if there was anything that could be done, um,

2509
02:21:17,985 --> 02:21:21,645
to incentivize landlords to, uh, keep businesses alive

2510
02:21:21,665 --> 02:21:22,765
and in the town.

2511
02:21:23,405 --> 02:21:24,645
'cause that's what makes Plymouth so cool.

2512
02:21:25,485 --> 02:21:27,205
I think I'll, I'll let other people speak to the,

2513
02:21:27,265 --> 02:21:28,685
the main point of your question,

2514
02:21:28,685 --> 02:21:30,725
but regarding that vacant jewelry store a lot,

2515
02:21:30,955 --> 02:21:33,445
that was something that the pre previous commission that,

2516
02:21:33,445 --> 02:21:35,445
that I was on, and Linda and Jen

2517
02:21:36,145 --> 02:21:37,605
and Brock, I think actually you were there.

2518
02:21:37,625 --> 02:21:40,405
So for that time too, we looked at that parcel

2519
02:21:40,405 --> 02:21:41,925
because it was for sale

2520
02:21:42,025 --> 02:21:44,845
and we thought, you know, maybe this might be an opportunity

2521
02:21:44,865 --> 02:21:46,405
for like a pocket park, right?

2522
02:21:46,625 --> 02:21:47,925
At least it's not a vacant building.

2523
02:21:48,385 --> 02:21:50,405
It could have a little sort of green space,

2524
02:21:50,475 --> 02:21:52,285
even though all be a small green space.

2525
02:21:53,025 --> 02:21:56,365
And we kind of punted on that idea at the time

2526
02:21:56,365 --> 02:21:58,045
because it was kind of cost prohibitive

2527
02:21:58,045 --> 02:21:59,325
for us, unfortunately.

2528
02:21:59,865 --> 02:22:01,765
But I guess since this is a sort

2529
02:22:01,765 --> 02:22:04,805
of a more freeform environment, um,

2530
02:22:05,345 --> 02:22:07,645
is there any kinda interest, maybe just raise your hand if

2531
02:22:07,645 --> 02:22:09,525
that idea sounds interesting to you,

2532
02:22:09,525 --> 02:22:13,885
that jewelry store's on Ann Arbor trail, um, and yeah.

2533
02:22:13,885 --> 02:22:16,645
Okay, Sam. Okay. Gotcha. Thank you.

2534
02:22:17,785 --> 02:22:20,205
It just kinda gives us an idea of maybe like

2535
02:22:21,285 --> 02:22:22,855
what might happen in that space.

2536
02:22:23,005 --> 02:22:25,645
Like I said, we punted on it due to the fact

2537
02:22:25,645 --> 02:22:27,165
that it was expensive,

2538
02:22:27,665 --> 02:22:30,445
but doesn't mean we can't maybe revisit it.

2539
02:22:30,585 --> 02:22:32,405
So Yeah, show of hands. Anybody think

2540
02:22:33,345 --> 02:22:36,325
Why aren't not just that space,

2541
02:22:36,425 --> 02:22:39,205
but a lot of it, why aren't those attractive?

2542
02:22:39,385 --> 02:22:42,285
Why are, yeah, why are those faces vacant in general?

2543
02:22:42,665 --> 02:22:46,645
Uh, that's sort of a harder question to, to answer honestly,

2544
02:22:46,645 --> 02:22:47,765
but yeah, I would, I would guess that it

2545
02:22:47,765 --> 02:22:48,805
becomes prohibitive.

2546
02:22:48,805 --> 02:22:52,325
Yeah. Right. Um, I had an interesting person say something

2547
02:22:52,325 --> 02:22:56,685
to me just, um, today actually that, um, uh,

2548
02:22:57,025 --> 02:22:58,925
you know, when we talk about affordable housing, some

2549
02:22:58,925 --> 02:23:00,765
of the business downtown, I mean, I, I try

2550
02:23:00,765 --> 02:23:02,245
to support our local businesses,

2551
02:23:02,265 --> 02:23:05,325
but, um, they need people that are, that, you know,

2552
02:23:05,345 --> 02:23:08,325
can afford to spend some real money, the pricing, you know,

2553
02:23:08,325 --> 02:23:13,165
they have to command a nice profit on their, their products

2554
02:23:13,265 --> 02:23:15,525
to be able to afford the rent and the taxes

2555
02:23:15,745 --> 02:23:17,045
and the, and the thing.

2556
02:23:17,045 --> 02:23:19,565
So it's, it's, it's a trade off, right?

2557
02:23:19,845 --> 02:23:21,285
I mean, they flowers a beautiful building,

2558
02:23:21,345 --> 02:23:23,765
but it's an expensive building to, to rent.

2559
02:23:23,935 --> 02:23:28,205
Right. Um, so, um, you know, I,

2560
02:23:28,705 --> 02:23:30,005
the dollars and cents and,

2561
02:23:30,025 --> 02:23:34,285
and as far as buying Delta Diamond, I mean it was $850,000.

2562
02:23:34,585 --> 02:23:37,365
Mm-hmm. That's, we have roads with potholes and,

2563
02:23:37,385 --> 02:23:40,685
and parks that have boarded up place structures.

2564
02:23:40,865 --> 02:23:43,165
And, you know, we have,

2565
02:23:43,945 --> 02:23:45,405
and ideally I would love

2566
02:23:45,405 --> 02:23:47,325
to have a little park park like in a

2567
02:23:47,325 --> 02:23:48,405
couple parking spaces there.

2568
02:23:48,465 --> 02:23:51,125
But is it really where we need to spend the money?

2569
02:23:51,145 --> 02:23:53,285
And that's where I think we have to really be conscious of.

2570
02:23:53,395 --> 02:23:54,565
There's a lot of great ideas,

2571
02:23:54,665 --> 02:23:58,005
but at the end of the day, Chris only has so many resources.

2572
02:23:58,265 --> 02:24:00,045
We only have so much money to spend.

2573
02:24:00,665 --> 02:24:04,925
Um, you know, it's, I'd love to have, you know, you know,

2574
02:24:05,285 --> 02:24:06,365
a swimming pool and,

2575
02:24:06,465 --> 02:24:08,965
and a a three car garage building in my backyard.

2576
02:24:09,305 --> 02:24:12,085
But, you know, I don't wanna, I can't afford to maintain it

2577
02:24:12,145 --> 02:24:14,365
and, you know, pay the extra taxes

2578
02:24:14,395 --> 02:24:15,965
that you guys would raise my taxes.

2579
02:24:16,225 --> 02:24:17,765
No, just to

2580
02:24:17,885 --> 02:24:20,325
Clarify, clarify, is the pocket park, um, is

2581
02:24:20,325 --> 02:24:22,445
that just like a park, like one, like a little mini park.

2582
02:24:22,475 --> 02:24:24,325
Okay. So I think that's a great idea in the sense

2583
02:24:24,325 --> 02:24:27,525
that it brings people into town, gives them a place

2584
02:24:27,525 --> 02:24:30,325
to hang out and then go out to eat and shop, right?

2585
02:24:30,665 --> 02:24:32,885
So anything that's gonna bring people in

2586
02:24:33,185 --> 02:24:35,725
and create that sort of walkable nature.

2587
02:24:35,755 --> 02:24:39,495
Because otherwise, if, I think I'm kind of saying something

2588
02:24:39,495 --> 02:24:42,695
that's obvious, but if we have these vacant buildings, um,

2589
02:24:43,955 --> 02:24:45,405
that really takes away from

2590
02:24:45,715 --> 02:24:48,525
what makes the downtown so attractive.

2591
02:24:48,585 --> 02:24:50,605
Mm-hmm. And it's just gonna kind of snowball.

2592
02:24:51,385 --> 02:24:53,925
Um, I'm just, again, turning back

2593
02:24:54,145 --> 02:24:56,205
to like whoever owns the building.

2594
02:24:58,105 --> 02:25:00,745
I think that in some places they're,

2595
02:25:00,925 --> 02:25:02,465
in some towns they're not allowed

2596
02:25:02,465 --> 02:25:04,825
to just keep their va their building vacant

2597
02:25:05,445 --> 02:25:07,665
and just leave it that way.

2598
02:25:07,685 --> 02:25:08,825
And I'm just wondering if

2599
02:25:08,825 --> 02:25:10,345
that's something you guys could look into.

2600
02:25:10,545 --> 02:25:12,145
'cause I think that is a real thing.

2601
02:25:12,885 --> 02:25:16,585
And like the Mayflower building again to all

2602
02:25:16,585 --> 02:25:19,065
of those spaces have been empty for so long.

2603
02:25:19,365 --> 02:25:23,065
And maybe the market is gonna push you to lower your rent

2604
02:25:23,125 --> 02:25:25,085
because that's what the market can bear.

2605
02:25:25,125 --> 02:25:27,365
I mean, that's what our system is, right?

2606
02:25:27,545 --> 02:25:31,605
So holding your prices at a certain point so

2607
02:25:31,605 --> 02:25:32,725
that no one can rent it.

2608
02:25:33,995 --> 02:25:35,125
Like harms all of us.

2609
02:25:35,855 --> 02:25:38,995
No, I agree. I would much rather have that approach

2610
02:25:39,055 --> 02:25:41,395
of having some kind of ordinance if it's doable.

2611
02:25:41,455 --> 02:25:43,435
I'm not sure if that's legally feasible. It'd

2612
02:25:43,435 --> 02:25:46,555
Be, and some of them are, like for instance, Panera, John,

2613
02:25:48,255 --> 02:25:50,395
Panera, John, if you're still here, are you

2614
02:25:50,395 --> 02:25:51,395
There? John Zu? This was

2615
02:25:51,395 --> 02:25:52,555
our economic development

2616
02:25:52,835 --> 02:25:53,835
Director. John? No.

2617
02:25:53,835 --> 02:25:55,835
Is he gone? Oh, okay.

2618
02:25:55,975 --> 02:26:00,125
So some of the places that there are peek around the corner.

2619
02:26:00,505 --> 02:26:01,525
No. Oh,

2620
02:26:02,425 --> 02:26:03,425
He ran for the hills.

2621
02:26:05,975 --> 02:26:07,955
See, I told you he'd come. Yay.

2622
02:26:10,615 --> 02:26:13,115
You're welcome. Grab a microphone. Here you go.

2623
02:26:20,785 --> 02:26:23,885
Yes. No, no. What?

2624
02:26:25,045 --> 02:26:26,525
I didn't hear your thought as I was coming up

2625
02:26:27,355 --> 02:26:28,765
That are empty or mm-hmm.

2626
02:26:30,265 --> 02:26:33,575
You know, they're

2627
02:26:37,145 --> 02:26:37,635
Okay. So

2628
02:26:37,695 --> 02:26:40,275
We have, so like Pan, they're in this process.

2629
02:26:50,655 --> 02:26:50,975
Businesses

2630
02:26:51,765 --> 02:26:55,455
Well, so, uh, partly obviously

2631
02:26:56,235 --> 02:27:00,095
the Mayflower building changed hands probably two years ago,

2632
02:27:00,475 --> 02:27:02,135
two and a half years ago, two roughly.

2633
02:27:03,075 --> 02:27:07,255
Um, and so at times, you know that

2634
02:27:07,945 --> 02:27:11,775
there, there is a landlord, uh, potentially a landlord,

2635
02:27:12,555 --> 02:27:14,815
you know, that is charging a rate.

2636
02:27:15,615 --> 02:27:17,835
As I heard it, heard it said that, you know,

2637
02:27:17,835 --> 02:27:19,075
maybe people can't

2638
02:27:19,075 --> 02:27:23,515
or won't pay, uh, particularly for the Panera bread there,

2639
02:27:23,625 --> 02:27:26,075
they have been working slowly,

2640
02:27:27,025 --> 02:27:30,675
very slowly on a build out in that particular facility.

2641
02:27:31,735 --> 02:27:34,035
And you know, for that, there's,

2642
02:27:34,225 --> 02:27:35,835
there's some things you can do, but

2643
02:27:36,825 --> 02:27:38,635
Your Your, your choices are limited.

2644
02:27:38,725 --> 02:27:39,725
There are,

2645
02:27:40,655 --> 02:27:44,715
You have separate factory versus,

2646
02:27:48,605 --> 02:27:50,145
Uh, well that's an incentive.

2647
02:27:50,925 --> 02:27:53,455
Well, it, it is, it is.

2648
02:27:53,595 --> 02:27:56,175
And trust me, I like talking about tax law.

2649
02:27:56,275 --> 02:28:00,255
But, um, so, and, and there is, there is case law and,

2650
02:28:00,755 --> 02:28:04,215
and, um, uh, state law that,

2651
02:28:04,445 --> 02:28:05,935
that regards things like that.

2652
02:28:06,675 --> 02:28:09,175
And so it, you know, it's a little bit of a,

2653
02:28:09,895 --> 02:28:11,815
a sticky wicket, a chicken or an egg thing.

2654
02:28:11,815 --> 02:28:16,095
There are, uh, communities that do have some form

2655
02:28:16,315 --> 02:28:19,335
of a, uh, vacancy ordinance

2656
02:28:19,475 --> 02:28:22,645
or, uh, you know, certain requirements if your building is

2657
02:28:22,925 --> 02:28:25,605
vacancy vacant to have, you know,

2658
02:28:25,605 --> 02:28:28,285
certain things in the windows and, and things like that.

2659
02:28:29,065 --> 02:28:32,685
Um, up until recently, you know, we,

2660
02:28:32,935 --> 02:28:36,005
these couple big, uh,

2661
02:28:37,425 --> 02:28:40,565
Uh, Within eye shot of almost everything in downtown

2662
02:28:41,195 --> 02:28:42,565
have been vacant for a while.

2663
02:28:42,565 --> 02:28:44,875
They have been being built out.

2664
02:28:45,095 --> 02:28:47,035
Panera Bread in particular, uh,

2665
02:28:47,055 --> 02:28:50,835
the jewelry store has been vacant for probably about a year.

2666
02:28:51,135 --> 02:28:52,515
Uh, certainly a challenge.

2667
02:28:53,135 --> 02:28:56,075
And we're happy to look into, you know, options.

2668
02:28:56,425 --> 02:29:00,035
What, what we may be able to do to, uh,

2669
02:29:00,605 --> 02:29:02,995
these proactively approach.

2670
02:29:12,495 --> 02:29:13,935
I think what we'll take yours

2671
02:29:13,935 --> 02:29:15,895
and then if there's anybody else I found.

2672
02:29:21,255 --> 02:29:23,155
Oh, thanks. Hi. Hi, I'm Michelle Dillon.

2673
02:29:23,195 --> 02:29:25,835
I live at 1328 West Ann Arbor Trail.

2674
02:29:26,555 --> 02:29:28,895
And I guess you can call me a new timer to the city

2675
02:29:29,095 --> 02:29:30,575
'cause it's only been a year and a half.

2676
02:29:31,235 --> 02:29:34,415
But I did wanna share my experience, uh, over the past year

2677
02:29:35,235 --> 02:29:39,055
in attending some of the, uh, PUD meetings.

2678
02:29:39,995 --> 02:29:41,615
Um, there were some situations

2679
02:29:41,615 --> 02:29:45,815
where I felt like the decorum was not held by the committee

2680
02:29:46,565 --> 02:29:51,175
with some passive aggressive comments to some of the, uh,

2681
02:29:51,475 --> 02:29:52,615
the public comments.

2682
02:29:53,305 --> 02:29:56,535
There was some bias. And, uh,

2683
02:29:56,775 --> 02:29:58,935
I just wanna congratulate you on this forum.

2684
02:29:58,935 --> 02:30:01,375
Maybe. I mean, nine years is a long time

2685
02:30:01,435 --> 02:30:02,695
to get the community together,

2686
02:30:02,755 --> 02:30:04,775
but I'm glad I'm, I'm part of this.

2687
02:30:05,435 --> 02:30:08,055
So as you consider the next committee members,

2688
02:30:08,065 --> 02:30:11,175
think about the behaviors that you've seen previously

2689
02:30:11,475 --> 02:30:13,215
as you're bringing in new committee members.

2690
02:30:14,015 --> 02:30:15,455
I think that's gonna be very important.

2691
02:30:16,785 --> 02:30:18,845
Um, obviously zoning is important.

2692
02:30:19,085 --> 02:30:20,445
I live on Ann Arbor Trail.

2693
02:30:20,605 --> 02:30:22,045
I live across the street from the,

2694
02:30:22,265 --> 02:30:24,245
to the two big beautiful homes.

2695
02:30:25,695 --> 02:30:28,375
I actually like it 'cause it means more tax revenue for our,

2696
02:30:28,475 --> 02:30:30,535
our city for them.

2697
02:30:31,035 --> 02:30:35,055
I'm on a double lot. So hey, if I wanna sell it off and,

2698
02:30:35,075 --> 02:30:36,735
and you know, bring somebody in big,

2699
02:30:36,735 --> 02:30:39,255
then I guess I can zoning's important.

2700
02:30:40,305 --> 02:30:42,565
So the other thing I wanted to mention too,

2701
02:30:42,825 --> 02:30:45,445
as we're talking about, and I heard the lead pipes are an

2702
02:30:45,445 --> 02:30:46,685
issue, there were lead pipes

2703
02:30:46,685 --> 02:30:48,205
that were replaced in front of my home.

2704
02:30:49,065 --> 02:30:51,525
So if you're thinking about fixing Ann Arbor portrayal,

2705
02:30:52,155 --> 02:30:54,565
perhaps consider replacing those lead pipes

2706
02:30:54,565 --> 02:30:56,365
as you fix Ann Arbor portrayal.

2707
02:30:57,395 --> 02:30:58,685
That would make a lot of sense.

2708
02:31:00,625 --> 02:31:03,405
And uh, you know, as I think about some of the other things,

2709
02:31:03,725 --> 02:31:05,485
I do enjoy those two homes in front of me,

2710
02:31:05,485 --> 02:31:07,565
but I definitely don't like looking at the latrine

2711
02:31:07,565 --> 02:31:09,165
that's been in front of me since fall.

2712
02:31:10,235 --> 02:31:11,555
I can deal with it because there are

2713
02:31:11,795 --> 02:31:12,955
construction workers there as well.

2714
02:31:17,415 --> 02:31:21,165
Sorry. But, um, bump. Okay.

2715
02:31:21,755 --> 02:31:24,205
Well, you know, on some of the other things I just wanted

2716
02:31:24,205 --> 02:31:26,125
to mention, I think it's important, um,

2717
02:31:26,125 --> 02:31:29,285
that we don't make assumptions about who wants what in terms

2718
02:31:29,305 --> 02:31:31,285
of, uh, wanting Plymouth Charming.

2719
02:31:31,765 --> 02:31:32,925
I worked hard to get here.

2720
02:31:33,405 --> 02:31:35,605
I worked really hard to get to downtown Plymouth.

2721
02:31:36,305 --> 02:31:39,485
And I think it's, it is a charming place

2722
02:31:40,225 --> 02:31:44,365
and I'd love for you to consider what charming really means.

2723
02:31:44,785 --> 02:31:46,245
You know, what does density mean?

2724
02:31:46,265 --> 02:31:49,525
And taking both sides, you know, I'm about, I am,

2725
02:31:49,685 --> 02:31:51,765
I am somebody that loves this kind of conversation,

2726
02:31:52,505 --> 02:31:54,965
but know that somebody new to this city

2727
02:31:56,235 --> 02:32:00,365
also appreciates different types of, of communication.

2728
02:32:01,145 --> 02:32:04,085
And I just wanna congratulate you again on this and,

2729
02:32:04,145 --> 02:32:06,165
and I look forward to coming to more meetings.

2730
02:32:06,585 --> 02:32:08,565
The other assumption, I wanna make sure that, you know,

2731
02:32:08,765 --> 02:32:12,045
I travel a lot and I cannot come to every meeting.

2732
02:32:12,145 --> 02:32:13,525
It does not mean I don't care.

2733
02:32:14,185 --> 02:32:15,405
So if I can come to one

2734
02:32:15,405 --> 02:32:18,085
or two in a year, I'm relying on this city

2735
02:32:18,085 --> 02:32:19,205
and the groups that are together

2736
02:32:19,225 --> 02:32:20,925
to have this great conversation.

2737
02:32:21,905 --> 02:32:22,965
So thank you again

2738
02:32:23,545 --> 02:32:25,205
and I'll see you when I can get here next time.

2739
02:32:31,595 --> 02:32:34,335
Uh, David Pierce, 1 1 4 7 West Ann Arbor Trail.

2740
02:32:34,975 --> 02:32:37,215
I just wanted to thank you for having this forum.

2741
02:32:37,655 --> 02:32:42,335
I think during the PUD, uh, one of the concerns that I had

2742
02:32:42,335 --> 02:32:45,575
and I heard other people express, was that

2743
02:32:46,005 --> 02:32:49,775
that didn't seem like the citizens were being engaged

2744
02:32:49,805 --> 02:32:53,535
with on, in a fair and even handed sort of way.

2745
02:32:53,995 --> 02:32:57,255
And that deliberative processes were happening in ways

2746
02:32:57,255 --> 02:32:59,175
that were not transparent to us.

2747
02:32:59,995 --> 02:33:04,095
Um, and so I think that this is a really good start in terms

2748
02:33:04,235 --> 02:33:08,655
of, you know, here we're setting, we're noting the issues

2749
02:33:08,725 --> 02:33:12,335
that the citizens have, there's going to be some effort

2750
02:33:12,395 --> 02:33:13,775
to prioritize these.

2751
02:33:14,395 --> 02:33:16,135
It would be awesome if you explained

2752
02:33:16,235 --> 02:33:18,815
how the priorities were set, uh, to us.

2753
02:33:19,125 --> 02:33:20,775
That would be great. Um,

2754
02:33:21,555 --> 02:33:26,095
and I think the, uh, so just, you know,

2755
02:33:26,645 --> 02:33:28,255
find, it's not easy

2756
02:33:28,285 --> 02:33:31,775
because if you don't listen to me, then I get annoyed

2757
02:33:31,775 --> 02:33:32,775
because, uh, you know,

2758
02:33:32,805 --> 02:33:34,735
like you made a decision that I didn't want.

2759
02:33:35,155 --> 02:33:38,375
But that's how things work. Tough choices have to be made.

2760
02:33:38,515 --> 02:33:41,655
I'm a big boy. But like the, uh, you know,

2761
02:33:41,765 --> 02:33:44,375
it's nice when you explain why you made your choice, right?

2762
02:33:44,715 --> 02:33:47,695
Um, and that would just, more of that would be awesome.

2763
02:33:48,285 --> 02:33:51,015
More of it transparently would be awesome.

2764
02:33:51,755 --> 02:33:53,575
Um, uh, yeah, thank you.

2765
02:33:53,875 --> 02:33:57,335
Oh, trash, uh, more often than not it's delayed.

2766
02:33:57,675 --> 02:34:02,335
And, uh, uh, I've spent like $400 on rat traps

2767
02:34:02,335 --> 02:34:04,455
and remediation, uh, with the guy.

2768
02:34:04,555 --> 02:34:07,255
So I, I don't, I don't like that they're not from me.

2769
02:34:07,755 --> 02:34:08,975
So thank you.

2770
02:34:09,145 --> 02:34:11,375
Thank you very much. Uh, just a quick, do you,

2771
02:34:12,195 --> 02:34:14,055
do you have any comments or No, no.

2772
02:34:14,195 --> 02:34:15,335
I'm, you're John,

2773
02:34:15,335 --> 02:34:18,015
you were raising your hand like this. Oh, sorry.

2774
02:34:18,415 --> 02:34:20,335
I had a quick thing on. So do I, on kind of both

2775
02:34:20,335 --> 02:34:21,935
of the previous two comments, just really quick.

2776
02:34:22,075 --> 02:34:24,415
Um, yeah, we have talked as a, a commission,

2777
02:34:24,415 --> 02:34:27,895
especially at our team building session, uh, last week,

2778
02:34:28,015 --> 02:34:29,655
a little bit about sort of the transparency

2779
02:34:29,755 --> 02:34:31,375
and like explaining the thought process.

2780
02:34:31,595 --> 02:34:32,775
So it's definitely something

2781
02:34:32,775 --> 02:34:36,055
that one year goal setting when we are having the tough task

2782
02:34:36,075 --> 02:34:38,095
of prioritizing things for us as a commission

2783
02:34:38,095 --> 02:34:39,895
to explain why it's important to us

2784
02:34:39,995 --> 02:34:40,815
and to like build

2785
02:34:41,055 --> 02:34:42,295
consensus around it, like that kind of thing.

2786
02:34:42,355 --> 02:34:44,335
So, um, definitely looking forward

2787
02:34:44,335 --> 02:34:45,615
to more conversations about that

2788
02:34:45,635 --> 02:34:48,055
and when we do eventually get to disagreements,

2789
02:34:48,055 --> 02:34:50,215
which will happen almost all the time, so mm-hmm.

2790
02:34:50,295 --> 02:34:52,215
Uh, you know, I think, um,

2791
02:34:52,745 --> 02:34:54,655
being civil about it is, is important.

2792
02:34:54,715 --> 02:34:56,215
So it's definitely something we've talked about

2793
02:34:56,215 --> 02:34:57,415
though as a priority.

2794
02:34:57,995 --> 02:35:00,255
And just to follow up, I think for us as a whole,

2795
02:35:00,255 --> 02:35:01,775
as a group is one of the things

2796
02:35:01,775 --> 02:35:03,695
that we wanna do is we wanna listen to you,

2797
02:35:03,875 --> 02:35:06,375
but also it enables you to, to listen

2798
02:35:06,375 --> 02:35:08,215
to us when we're at our commission meetings.

2799
02:35:08,335 --> 02:35:09,935
'cause those are times that we have to dialogue

2800
02:35:09,935 --> 02:35:12,175
between ourselves up on the DAAs when

2801
02:35:12,175 --> 02:35:13,495
we're making decisions.

2802
02:35:13,755 --> 02:35:15,215
As a lot of people know

2803
02:35:15,215 --> 02:35:18,215
that have sat on the different planning commissions or HEC

2804
02:35:18,235 --> 02:35:20,815
or or A ZBA or what have you.

2805
02:35:21,275 --> 02:35:24,375
And what we wanna do is we wanna set the tone.

2806
02:35:24,835 --> 02:35:27,815
We live here, we are your neighbors.

2807
02:35:28,475 --> 02:35:30,695
We want to represent everybody that we can,

2808
02:35:30,715 --> 02:35:34,295
but we also are giving you respect and we want respect back

2809
02:35:34,595 --> 02:35:36,815
and we want respect to all of you when you're speaking

2810
02:35:37,085 --> 02:35:38,855
because that's what we need to do.

2811
02:35:38,875 --> 02:35:42,535
We need to come together in positivity and not negativity.

2812
02:35:42,595 --> 02:35:45,535
So we really appreciate all of the communication

2813
02:35:45,535 --> 02:35:47,815
and keeping it on a forward fashion as opposed

2814
02:35:47,835 --> 02:35:49,215
to that was passed.

2815
02:35:49,355 --> 02:35:51,695
We have to move forward and go forward and,

2816
02:35:51,835 --> 02:35:53,615
and make a difference for our city

2817
02:35:53,615 --> 02:35:56,455
because all of us benefit for that. Go ahead John. Just,

2818
02:35:56,865 --> 02:35:58,055
Sorry, I'm actually, oh, gonna,

2819
02:35:58,355 --> 02:36:01,495
I'm sure one more thing I was gonna follow up, uh, David,

2820
02:36:01,985 --> 02:36:04,585
about the, what happens with da.

2821
02:36:05,125 --> 02:36:08,665
So we are going to hold a hour one year,

2822
02:36:09,045 --> 02:36:10,465
um, task setting.

2823
02:36:11,125 --> 02:36:13,025
Um, I don't think we have a date yet for that.

2824
02:36:13,025 --> 02:36:14,745
We've been, we're working on that. Oh, okay.

2825
02:36:14,745 --> 02:36:17,105
We're working on it. But, so it's, it's been hard.

2826
02:36:17,525 --> 02:36:19,185
So what happens is that, um,

2827
02:36:19,485 --> 02:36:21,985
we each have our list of priorities.

2828
02:36:22,405 --> 02:36:25,905
Um, we have, um, a joint list now that we've made.

2829
02:36:26,525 --> 02:36:29,345
Um, the administration, um,

2830
02:36:29,525 --> 02:36:32,385
has been working hard on their lists of things that have

2831
02:36:32,385 --> 02:36:35,105
to get done and things that they know are going to come.

2832
02:36:35,565 --> 02:36:39,345
And so it is, uh, the seven of us from the commission

2833
02:36:39,725 --> 02:36:43,185
and then the department heads from, um, the administration.

2834
02:36:43,845 --> 02:36:45,745
And we have a meeting, it's a public meeting.

2835
02:36:46,085 --> 02:36:47,665
Um, so you're welcome to attend.

2836
02:36:47,885 --> 02:36:50,905
Um, but it's really for the commission to work

2837
02:36:50,905 --> 02:36:52,705
with the administration, um,

2838
02:36:52,845 --> 02:36:54,185
to work on those one year tasks.

2839
02:36:54,205 --> 02:36:56,865
And a lot of it is just dialoguing to see, hey,

2840
02:36:57,065 --> 02:37:00,065
I really care about, um, about compost.

2841
02:37:00,565 --> 02:37:03,665
Do you think we have, um, the majority of us

2842
02:37:03,805 --> 02:37:07,545
who care about this because it is up to the seven of us

2843
02:37:07,645 --> 02:37:12,385
to set the policy of, um, uh, really

2844
02:37:12,485 --> 02:37:14,785
of, uh, for the city.

2845
02:37:15,425 --> 02:37:18,885
Um, and so we work with the administration

2846
02:37:19,165 --> 02:37:22,525
'cause they are the ones who do the, the work work,

2847
02:37:22,585 --> 02:37:24,245
the daily work of getting it done.

2848
02:37:24,825 --> 02:37:26,885
Um, and they can only do so much.

2849
02:37:27,065 --> 02:37:28,685
And so it is collaborative.

2850
02:37:28,905 --> 02:37:32,925
Um, it's a, generally it's a one day meeting, uh, you know,

2851
02:37:32,925 --> 02:37:37,375
a few hour and then that list kind of, um, gets worked on.

2852
02:37:37,875 --> 02:37:41,455
Um, and it will appear back at a city commission

2853
02:37:41,455 --> 02:37:42,695
meeting after that point.

2854
02:37:42,875 --> 02:37:46,455
So keep looking on the agenda. It is a public meeting.

2855
02:37:46,475 --> 02:37:47,475
It will be posted.

2856
02:37:48,415 --> 02:37:52,115
So, you know that the, the, the, our Jen made a comment

2857
02:37:52,115 --> 02:37:53,515
that we each have our own individual,

2858
02:37:53,885 --> 02:37:54,955
we're representing you.

2859
02:37:55,065 --> 02:37:56,835
It's not like we're putting these tasks.

2860
02:37:56,895 --> 02:37:59,395
So this is what's important to me and not to the citizens.

2861
02:37:59,455 --> 02:38:02,795
We have to look at, see what's good for the city as well as

2862
02:38:02,795 --> 02:38:04,355
what we've heard from you all today.

2863
02:38:04,655 --> 02:38:05,835
And kind of look at those and

2864
02:38:05,835 --> 02:38:07,315
prioritize 'em in dialogue with each other.

2865
02:38:10,185 --> 02:38:11,565
Yes. Okay. Uh, John,

2866
02:38:11,625 --> 02:38:13,925
and we're gonna have to then bring it to closure 'cause

2867
02:38:13,925 --> 02:38:17,085
We're very quickly John Townsend 1312 Penman.

2868
02:38:17,885 --> 02:38:21,605
I wanna add Greta, add a third to the trash delay.

2869
02:38:22,505 --> 02:38:26,325
Uh, I'm an old man, so I don't go get the trash cans

2870
02:38:26,325 --> 02:38:30,485
after dark and over 50% of the time they're down there

2871
02:38:30,485 --> 02:38:31,525
until the next day.

2872
02:38:32,765 --> 02:38:34,415
I've been able to, I be,

2873
02:38:34,475 --> 02:38:38,095
my belief is this started when the city changed

2874
02:38:39,215 --> 02:38:41,355
the collectors people to collect it.

2875
02:38:41,745 --> 02:38:43,075
I've only had one instance

2876
02:38:43,075 --> 02:38:45,315
where the trash can was actually there the next day,

2877
02:38:46,135 --> 02:38:47,715
but the rats could've carried it away.

2878
02:38:47,825 --> 02:38:49,595
Mine may or may not have been frozen to the ice.

2879
02:38:49,655 --> 02:38:51,355
So I understand what you're saying, John. Okay.

2880
02:38:51,695 --> 02:38:52,955
That's, that's all. Thank you.

2881
02:38:53,285 --> 02:38:55,235
Thank you. Regarding those, those issues

2882
02:38:55,235 --> 02:38:57,315
with trash delays, I would encourage people

2883
02:38:57,415 --> 02:38:59,035
to use the reporting tool.

2884
02:38:59,175 --> 02:39:01,235
The city has shared it on its social media pages.

2885
02:39:01,395 --> 02:39:03,355
I think maybe given tonight's, uh,

2886
02:39:03,595 --> 02:39:04,755
feedback, Hannah, you can maybe do that again.

2887
02:39:04,815 --> 02:39:07,315
But there is actually a tool where you can report

2888
02:39:07,845 --> 02:39:09,035
trash pickup delays.

2889
02:39:09,145 --> 02:39:10,635
I've had these problems as well,

2890
02:39:10,735 --> 02:39:13,475
but yeah, it would be good for our, uh,

2891
02:39:13,495 --> 02:39:14,875
our company to be aware of that.

2892
02:39:15,135 --> 02:39:17,795
And you can put all that information on that tool online.

2893
02:39:17,895 --> 02:39:19,235
So look for that.

2894
02:39:20,345 --> 02:39:22,755
Okay. Anyone else? We're good.

2895
02:39:23,255 --> 02:39:24,595
Did you move up for a reason?

2896
02:39:26,105 --> 02:39:28,475
Yeah, I was just gonna say that I,

2897
02:39:28,855 --> 02:39:30,355
my point about explanations

2898
02:39:30,535 --> 02:39:33,875
or, you know, describing the deliberative process, uh, to us

2899
02:39:34,455 --> 02:39:37,395
is both at these like high level like, you know,

2900
02:39:37,755 --> 02:39:39,795
strategic questions about the year plan

2901
02:39:40,095 --> 02:39:42,875
and then also at the, like it's just down to the brass tax.

2902
02:39:42,945 --> 02:39:46,315
Like we made this change of this piece of language.

2903
02:39:46,825 --> 02:39:48,195
This is why we did it.

2904
02:39:48,345 --> 02:39:50,675
This is why this word was put here, right?

2905
02:39:50,895 --> 02:39:53,195
And so it's not just like it's at every level

2906
02:39:53,255 --> 02:39:55,955
of abstraction that you guys work at. Thank you.

2907
02:39:56,265 --> 02:39:58,635
Sure. Everybody understands that you, you want your,

2908
02:39:59,235 --> 02:40:00,355
whatever your wishlist or,

2909
02:40:00,455 --> 02:40:02,635
or something that you conveyed to us, you want us to listen

2910
02:40:02,635 --> 02:40:04,315
to and make changes and we're listening.

2911
02:40:04,535 --> 02:40:06,755
But maybe not all of it is possible may

2912
02:40:06,755 --> 02:40:08,235
because of financial reasons.

2913
02:40:08,495 --> 02:40:12,075
And so, um, we'll, we'll be very communicative as much

2914
02:40:12,075 --> 02:40:14,005
as we can to make sure everybody can hear us.

2915
02:40:14,005 --> 02:40:17,685
Thank you very much for coming out. We really loved it.

2916
02:40:17,685 --> 02:40:19,285
And you wanna say something Chris? No.

2917
02:40:19,345 --> 02:40:21,245
Oh, absolutely. While I was gonna thank

2918
02:40:21,245 --> 02:40:22,245
You.

2919
02:40:25,225 --> 02:40:27,245
So a couple things before everyone goes.

2920
02:40:27,545 --> 02:40:29,805
Um, if everyone sticks around just a few more minutes,

2921
02:40:29,825 --> 02:40:31,325
we can run through 'em really fast

2922
02:40:31,465 --> 02:40:32,965
to make sure we didn't miss anything.

2923
02:40:33,585 --> 02:40:35,365
Now this is not just the only bite of the apple,

2924
02:40:35,465 --> 02:40:37,085
so if we miss something, please let us know.

2925
02:40:37,545 --> 02:40:39,285
Um, but we tried to just kind

2926
02:40:39,285 --> 02:40:42,565
of encompass very shorthand form-based codes

2927
02:40:42,565 --> 02:40:44,565
and communication efforts and storm water.

2928
02:40:44,785 --> 02:40:45,925
Not just that, but also the

2929
02:40:46,005 --> 02:40:47,485
flooding, uh, housing and density.

2930
02:40:47,485 --> 02:40:48,525
We've heard that a few times.

2931
02:40:49,025 --> 02:40:50,445
Uh, food composting

2932
02:40:50,505 --> 02:40:54,245
or food scrap composting, uh, the impact of the events.

2933
02:40:55,025 --> 02:40:56,565
Uh, vacant commercial properties

2934
02:40:56,565 --> 02:40:57,725
that came up multiple times.

2935
02:40:58,255 --> 02:40:59,485
Parks including fairgrounds

2936
02:40:59,805 --> 02:41:01,245
specifically, uh, improvement there.

2937
02:41:01,665 --> 02:41:04,085
Uh, talking about the development process as a whole

2938
02:41:04,085 --> 02:41:05,085
and explain what that is.

2939
02:41:05,105 --> 02:41:08,565
Or maybe, uh, milestone markers that developers may

2940
02:41:08,565 --> 02:41:10,765
or may not get to in the they process.

2941
02:41:11,465 --> 02:41:14,045
Um, or kind of a timeline on where things are going

2942
02:41:14,145 --> 02:41:19,125
or what different developments are at what stage, Uh,

2943
02:41:19,125 --> 02:41:20,725
appointments and how those are done.

2944
02:41:20,725 --> 02:41:23,885
Affordable housing, uh, home sizing, uh,

2945
02:41:23,885 --> 02:41:24,925
lead pipe replacement.

2946
02:41:25,105 --> 02:41:27,205
Um, that is certainly a part

2947
02:41:27,545 --> 02:41:29,565
of the next year's infrastructure plan.

2948
02:41:29,565 --> 02:41:30,765
We won't do it all in one year,

2949
02:41:31,105 --> 02:41:34,525
but, um, we will be doing some of that each and every year.

2950
02:41:34,705 --> 02:41:36,285
Um, moving forward until we're done.

2951
02:41:36,745 --> 02:41:39,525
Uh, sidewalk snow removal, railroad quiet zones,

2952
02:41:39,525 --> 02:41:40,605
things that came up a couple times.

2953
02:41:40,705 --> 02:41:43,925
Uh, delayed trash pickup. Uh, we put pedestrian safety.

2954
02:41:44,225 --> 02:41:47,845
The RRFB, that's the rectangular rapid flashing beacons.

2955
02:41:47,845 --> 02:41:51,165
That's the push a button. It flashes cross. Uh, there.

2956
02:41:51,305 --> 02:41:52,965
Uh, a little bit about bike lanes.

2957
02:41:53,345 --> 02:41:55,125
Uh, questions on alley maintenance,

2958
02:41:55,265 --> 02:41:56,525
uh, and responsibilities.

2959
02:41:56,625 --> 02:41:59,125
Who that is for Senior services.

2960
02:41:59,395 --> 02:42:02,365
Riverside Cemetery maintenance, uh, pop potholes,

2961
02:42:02,875 --> 02:42:05,125
road ride quality, uh,

2962
02:42:05,125 --> 02:42:07,725
public safety communication website navigation.

2963
02:42:08,235 --> 02:42:09,805
Jack, I just encompass yours

2964
02:42:09,965 --> 02:42:11,125
'cause I have a copy of your list,

2965
02:42:11,265 --> 02:42:14,245
but that the open issues list that, that's what I was trying

2966
02:42:14,245 --> 02:42:15,245
to reference on that.

2967
02:42:15,825 --> 02:42:18,165
Uh, trees and, uh, board rules.

2968
02:42:18,385 --> 02:42:19,725
Now, um, just to let you guys

2969
02:42:19,725 --> 02:42:20,765
behind the curtain a little bit,

2970
02:42:20,905 --> 02:42:23,765
the commission did talk about that during some

2971
02:42:23,765 --> 02:42:25,965
of the teams in building about behavioral rules.

2972
02:42:26,025 --> 02:42:27,725
We have some communication rules in place,

2973
02:42:28,145 --> 02:42:30,245
but even, uh, decorum rules, uh, that,

2974
02:42:30,245 --> 02:42:31,885
that phrase was put out there before.

2975
02:42:32,265 --> 02:42:35,125
Um, so that probably has already started in process,

2976
02:42:35,275 --> 02:42:37,165
even if it's not an official one year task.

2977
02:42:37,425 --> 02:42:38,405
Uh, 'cause the commission did

2978
02:42:38,405 --> 02:42:39,565
say they were interested in that.

2979
02:42:40,385 --> 02:42:41,765
That's what we got down.

2980
02:42:42,025 --> 02:42:44,045
If there was something else we missed, please let us know.

2981
02:42:44,075 --> 02:42:45,605
We'd like to try to capture that.

2982
02:42:46,025 --> 02:42:47,565
Um, but I wanted to just go

2983
02:42:47,565 --> 02:42:49,525
through it real quick while we had most people in the room

2984
02:42:49,905 --> 02:42:52,325
and do our best to capture what was there.

2985
02:42:52,785 --> 02:42:54,725
Um, thank you Chris. You're welcome.

2986
02:42:55,065 --> 02:42:56,765
You have to officially close the meeting though,

2987
02:42:56,825 --> 02:42:58,725
so if you would get a motion to do that.

2988
02:42:58,985 --> 02:43:00,565
May we have a motion to close the meeting, please?

2989
02:43:00,915 --> 02:43:04,925
Some move. Support. The meeting is adjourned.

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Thank you very much everyone. Have a nice night.