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[3:26] Okay.
[3:40] That's cool. I know we just, I'll get outta your way.
[3:47] Connect streaming software to go live.
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[4:17] Just wanna make sure.
[4:25] Hello?
[4:48] Oh, gotcha. Okay.
[30:38] Good evening everyone. Good evening.
[30:43] We would like to call the meeting and open it now.
[30:47] If everybody would kindly stand,
[30:48] we'll say the Pledge of Allegiance.
[30:54] Pledge of Allegiance to the United States
[30:59] Republic for which, which stands, one Nation under God,
[31:04] individual with liberty, routine justice.
[31:07] Our problem.
[31:11] Well, happy New Year everyone,
[31:13] and we wanna thank you for being here.
[31:15] 'cause we find it very important for us
[31:17] to do community conversations with not only the citizens,
[31:21] the city commissioners
[31:23] and the city administration team
[31:24] in the back and on the side.
[31:26] We're very blessed here in the city of Plymouth
[31:28] to have a phenomenal city,
[31:30] or a phenomenal administrative team,
[31:33] and as well as our city commissioners.
[31:36] Would you all like to introduce yourselves
[31:38] for everyone since we don't have name tags
[31:40] that anybody could actually read?
[31:41] We'll start with you, Jen. Alright.
[31:43] My name is Jennifer Keho
[31:45] and I've lived in the city for, oh, uh,
[31:49] 25 years or so.
[31:51] And, um, this is my second term. Uh, and that's about it.
[31:56] Thanks,
[31:58] Brockman. Uh,
[31:59] this is, uh, my third year at this point, my first term.
[32:04] Uh, hey everybody, I'm Alana McGuire.
[32:06] I'm a city commissioner, of course.
[32:08] Uh, I'm in my second term.
[32:09] I was just reelected, uh, last fall
[32:11] and, uh, I'm a lifelong Plymouth person, so there you go.
[32:17] Hi, I am Karen Sisolak.
[32:19] I was just elected this past November.
[32:21] I was on the planning commission for eight years.
[32:23] Um, I've been in living in Plymouth, my family since 1998.
[32:27] Thank you.
[32:29] I'm Joe Elliott. I am also newly elected.
[32:31] Um, I've lived in Plymouth since 1992, so, uh, going on, uh,
[32:35] 30, uh, four years.
[32:36] It's crazy. Um, we've raised our kids and family here.
[32:39] Um, I am just, uh,
[32:42] stepping down from the zoning board of appeals.
[32:44] I was on that board for 10 years
[32:46] and now kind of moving up to the, uh,
[32:48] the big board here. So, thanks.
[32:50] And I'm Linda Sak. I'm your mayor.
[32:53] Um, I've lived in the city for over 32 years,
[32:56] and I served
[32:58] as a volunteer on the Historical District Committee,
[33:01] uh, for three years.
[33:02] And then I've been on the commission for four.
[33:05] I'm on my sec second term,
[33:06] and I'm starting my third year of the second term.
[33:09] So we wanna thank you all for being here,
[33:12] because for us, we want you to know that we hear you
[33:15] and we wanna know what you have to say.
[33:17] So it's very important for us to listen to
[33:20] what are your concerns
[33:21] or things that you wish to share with us.
[33:24] Um, our team will be documenting real time up on the list.
[33:28] And so if there are things
[33:29] that you think other people are bringing up
[33:31] or we're hearing it multiple times, maybe you might want
[33:33] to take the second or third or fourth thing on your list.
[33:36] We may at a certain point ask you to all raise your hands
[33:39] because it's important for us then to see
[33:41] how many have the same concerns,
[33:43] because in a few weeks we're gonna be working on our one
[33:46] year strategic plan.
[33:47] And so for us, we're gonna use these as our guidelines
[33:49] as we move forward
[33:51] and start to formulate the one year strategic plan.
[33:54] And then, um, in the subsequent year,
[33:56] we'll be working on our five year for all of us here.
[34:00] We all have the same thing at heart.
[34:02] We all live here, we love it here,
[34:04] and we wanna make sure we maintain what we have,
[34:06] but continue to improve what we can.
[34:08] And so that's why we wanna come, come together
[34:11] and to listen to what you have to say.
[34:13] We have some housekeeping issues,
[34:15] so I'm gonna let my colleague, our mayor,
[34:17] pro tem Joe, go ahead and address.
[34:20] Chris took my microphone.
[34:22] Um, so for housekeeping, um, it's important
[34:25] that you do speak, step up to the microphone to speak.
[34:27] Um, we are, um, we are not broadcasting this live,
[34:30] but we are recording this.
[34:31] So, um, all of your neighbors
[34:33] who can't be here tonight will get a chance just to, uh,
[34:35] to see this and they can view it
[34:37] and they can also, uh, email or call and,
[34:39] and send in their concerns if any of their issues.
[34:42] Don't make it on the list. So it's important
[34:43] that you step up to the microphone so we can hear you.
[34:46] Um, this, uh, you'll notice there is no
[34:49] three minute timer here.
[34:51] Uh, we want you to, uh, feel free to express your,
[34:54] your views and express the, your concerns.
[34:58] Um, but please be aware that, you know, there's a lot
[35:00] of people here tonight and we wanna make sure
[35:02] everyone gets a chance to talk.
[35:03] So, um, if, if you've got a couple of things, uh,
[35:06] that you'd like to, to speak about, please,
[35:09] uh, feel free to do so.
[35:10] But then maybe you can come back again later on
[35:13] after everyone else has had a chance.
[35:14] So, uh, again, just be courteous and, uh,
[35:17] and make sure that your neighbors have a chance to speak.
[35:20] Um, I think that's about it.
[35:21] The other thing is, um, we are, this is not intended
[35:24] to be a one-way dialogue.
[35:25] We're gonna listen and we'll probably have a little bit
[35:28] of back and forth questions, uh, for you.
[35:30] Um, but the, we're not here to answer
[35:32] and solve all the problems tonight.
[35:34] Uh, we are trying to just find out what things concern you.
[35:37] And again, as Linda mentioned, we are preparing
[35:40] to do our one year tasks.
[35:41] And it's important that, uh, we get
[35:44] as much input from the community as possible.
[35:46] So that's what this is all about.
[35:48] Um, I think I covered everything. Is there anything else?
[35:51] Let's make it a positive night.
[35:53] Let's, let's enjoy this and, and let's go.
[35:57] They say I have a big mouth.
[35:58] Um, let's go with positivity as we move forward.
[36:01] And next we're gonna lob it over to our city manager, Chris,
[36:04] and he's going to give us some historical value.
[36:07] All right, good evening everyone. Thanks for being here.
[36:10] Um, my task tonight is a bit twofold.
[36:13] Uh, number one is to kind of walk us through how we kind
[36:17] of got to this point tonight.
[36:19] And we're gonna go backwards in time a few years,
[36:21] and I'll bring all of us
[36:23] through the last four years into year number five
[36:26] of our strategic plan.
[36:28] And then I'm also gonna play kind of the role of the mc.
[36:31] So my job is just to help, uh, facilitate,
[36:35] but not to necessarily, um, tell you how
[36:39] to run the operation, if you will.
[36:42] We have two microphones up here
[36:44] and, you know, if there's a line
[36:46] or people wanna jump up, that's all great.
[36:48] Um, as the commission stated, we'd love
[36:51] to hear from everyone.
[36:52] Uh, if you would like to give us your name
[36:56] and address, that's helpful in case we
[36:58] need to follow up with you.
[37:00] And with that, we also wanted to share some
[37:02] of the information that we prepared for you.
[37:04] So we'll cover this packet in just a second.
[37:08] But the sheet that I wanted to cover first is just some
[37:10] of the contact info of city staff.
[37:13] So it's the blue sheet that's out on the front table.
[37:16] Um, or I'm sorry, it's the white sheet
[37:19] with the blue kind of header to it.
[37:20] That's what I'm trying to say.
[37:22] Um, it has phone numbers, email addresses,
[37:26] and kind of a, a pretty good representation
[37:30] or cross section of city departments.
[37:31] Not all of the departments made it on one sheet
[37:35] because we were running outta space,
[37:36] sorry, clerk's department.
[37:37] But, um, what we wanted to do was,
[37:39] was give you an opportunity to have some
[37:40] of our contact info kind of on a one pager so
[37:44] that whether you have questions following tonight,
[37:46] there's staff people that you can reach out to,
[37:49] whether you have questions throughout the course
[37:51] of any given year, any week
[37:53] or any day that something comes up, we wanted
[37:55] to give you some info to be able to contact us directly.
[37:58] Um, we also put the city commission's group
[38:00] email address on it.
[38:02] So if you have more of a policy style question,
[38:05] then you can reach all of the city commission all at once.
[38:08] It's commission@plymouthmi.gov.
[38:10] It's in the bottom right hand corner.
[38:12] Um, and then all of them get the same email so that,
[38:16] you know, it's not gonna fall on deaf ears.
[38:17] They can all see it at the same time.
[38:20] So with that said, let me walk you through very briefly
[38:23] the five year strategic plan.
[38:26] So as you see up at the top, it is the 22
[38:29] to 27 strategic plan, which means we are in the last year
[38:34] of our current strategic plan.
[38:36] And in 27, we will start again with a new five-year plan.
[38:40] So as we went through the process, it culminated into
[38:44] what we call the four goal areas.
[38:48] And I'll walk you through those very briefly.
[38:50] Sustainable infrastructure, staff development, training
[38:53] and succession planning, community connectivity
[38:56] and attractable livable community.
[38:58] Those were kind of the four pillars
[39:00] with which we organized everything from our key objectives,
[39:04] which I'll cover in just a second, all the way down
[39:06] to the one year task, which are really the priorities
[39:10] for any given year.
[39:13] So to get there, we looked at the key objectives
[39:18] through the, uh, sustainable infrastructure.
[39:21] And I'm not going to, um, read them to you.
[39:24] We're all adults in here,
[39:25] but you can kind of see them up on the board.
[39:28] And I wasn't going to share all
[39:30] of the key infrastructures in the packet,
[39:32] but what I wanted to share in the packet with you is
[39:35] what the one year tasks were for this current year.
[39:40] Okay. Just making sure it jumped ahead.
[39:42] So if you look at sustainable infrastructure,
[39:45] you will see everything from, uh,
[39:47] getting the generator here at the
[39:49] cultural center up and running.
[39:50] And that was the task that we
[39:51] did complete in this current year.
[39:53] But you also see some of the things at the bottom
[39:56] of the page that we did not get to, some of which may be
[40:00] because it really extended beyond a one year task.
[40:04] And some of it is just time constraints and resources.
[40:07] We just flat out didn't get to it and didn't get it done.
[40:11] And so what we look at is what are those one year tasks
[40:14] that we may not have completed
[40:16] and how those may translate into the current
[40:19] year that we're in right now.
[40:20] And those may end up back on the list.
[40:23] Um, so just
[40:24] because we didn't get done doesn't mean
[40:25] that it goes away forever.
[40:27] Those will all be discussed, uh,
[40:29] 'cause we put those on the list
[40:30] for consideration in this upcoming coming year.
[40:34] So when you look at something like begin the construction on
[40:37] the mausoleum upgrade project number two up on the list
[40:41] staff has spent a considerable amount of time, uh,
[40:43] with the commission's support
[40:44] to take a look at the feasibility of doing some of the work
[40:47] to retrofit the granite out there.
[40:49] But to find companies
[40:50] that actually can do the work has been very challenging.
[40:53] So it's in process,
[40:54] but we're no work close to getting that done right.
[40:57] The second, so when we jump ahead,
[40:59] we look at staff development
[41:00] and you can see the, um,
[41:02] eight key objectives that are listed there.
[41:04] Everything from training opportunities to, um,
[41:09] flex scheduling and internship.
[41:11] And then you will see, oops, sorry.
[41:14] When we look at the one year task, the eight
[41:16] that we have up there, they all track towards the key
[41:20] objectives and ultimately the goal area.
[41:24] So you kind of see how it's like
[41:25] that funnel style goal area.
[41:28] Key objectives do one year tasks.
[41:31] So again, those are the ones
[41:32] that we've completed in this last year.
[41:34] And it's also reflected in your packet, uh, if it's easier
[41:37] to read it in front of you.
[41:39] Uh, the ones that are in progress,
[41:41] luckily we've accomplished all those, so
[41:43] that why that one's blank.
[41:45] When we move to community connectivity,
[41:46] these are really a lot of our partnerships.
[41:49] Uh, public private partnerships, partnerships with other,
[41:52] uh, organizations, governmental entities.
[41:54] And those are the key objectives as you see on the screen.
[41:58] When we look at some of the one year tests,
[42:00] that's everything from sponsoring
[42:02] or getting sponsorships for, uh,
[42:04] the DDA summer concert series to hosting Citizens Academy.
[42:08] And then some of the things that we didn't get done,
[42:11] but um, are still in progress would be discussing
[42:14] Wayne County Public Transit.
[42:15] So be on the lookout for that as a possible, uh,
[42:18] ballot initiative, uh,
[42:19] coming from the county later this year.
[42:23] And then finally last
[42:24] but not not least, is the attractable livable communities.
[42:27] Again, the key objectives is trying to make sure
[42:29] that we have vibrant downtown areas, uh,
[42:33] that includes downtown as well as the old village area,
[42:35] that they're both vibrant
[42:37] and, uh, both successful in their own rights.
[42:41] Sorry about that. There we go.
[42:43] Uh, some of the one year tasks that we completed is adopting
[42:45] of the master plan
[42:47] and, uh, having a bit
[42:49] of a direction on if there's gonna be a
[42:50] social district, an old village.
[42:53] And then last but not least is
[42:55] what we didn't get finished this year.
[42:57] And those are some of the in progress ones.
[43:00] Um, and some of those are much further along than others.
[43:03] A good example would be coordinate with Wayne County
[43:05] on a pedestrian study along Mill Street.
[43:08] If the weather would cooperate a little bit better,
[43:10] we're gonna paint, um,
[43:12] a better crosswalk at Mill and Liberty Street.
[43:14] Uh, the county signed off on the permit
[43:16] and, um, thanks to their partnership
[43:18] with us, fast tracked it for us.
[43:20] So that is a very, very brief
[43:24] and very quick kind of synopsis of where we are at
[43:28] in the last five years to get to tonight.
[43:31] So tonight, uh, as the commission said,
[43:34] they're very interested in hearing from you folks about
[43:36] what's important to you and
[43:37] what you think they should be considering as they look to,
[43:41] uh, start putting together the one year task
[43:43] in their strategic plan.
[43:45] This is not meant to be, um, the formal process
[43:50] as was mentioned earlier.
[43:52] So please don't feel like you need me
[43:54] to raise your hand and come on up.
[43:56] Just come on up. We're all adults here.
[43:58] We'd love to hear from everyone. We'll jot some notes down.
[44:01] Um, we're gonna put the ideas
[44:05] as best we possibly can in real time up on the screen.
[44:09] So if you came up
[44:10] and you said, I'd like to talk about potholes
[44:12] or whatever, we'll put it up there
[44:14] and then I'm gonna ask, Hey, what about everyone else?
[44:17] Do you guys think that is an issue?
[44:19] And I, and respectfully,
[44:20] if you guys would help raise your hand,
[44:22] I wanna just do a quick count.
[44:24] 'cause we'd like to put that number up there as well.
[44:26] Um, that is a way that we can help kind of
[44:30] relatively prioritized, just as a quick count of
[44:33] how many people are kind of signing up
[44:35] or saying, yes, that is important to me.
[44:37] Also, I don't want you to think that if you raise your hand,
[44:42] you can't come up and speak.
[44:43] It's just a way to say, there might be 27
[44:45] or 37 people that say, yes, that's important,
[44:48] or there might be an issue where there, you know,
[44:51] it's important to two people.
[44:52] I'm not saying it's less important,
[44:54] but it is just a way to help kind of get a rough idea,
[44:58] um, for some numbers.
[44:59] That's all that's for.
[45:01] Um, but I wanted to share that with everyone.
[45:04] So with that said, you guys have heard my spiel.
[45:07] Uh, we do have a number of staff people here that are happy
[45:09] to try to answer questions,
[45:11] but realistically, if you have questions
[45:14] that require a discussion,
[45:16] and what I mean by that is something
[45:18] that city staff can assist in getting you an answer
[45:20] or getting you to the right place, we're happy to do that
[45:23] during staff time as well.
[45:25] I don't wanna limit you
[45:26] and say, please don't ask that tonight.
[45:28] But I think the, the, the flavor for tonight is
[45:31] to share ideas of what's important to you folks.
[45:34] And like I said, we have the contact info.
[45:36] So please feel free to reach out to any of us, um,
[45:40] after this meeting tomorrow, next week, whatever it is.
[45:44] And I'm not saying don't say it at the mic, microphone,
[45:46] I'm just saying it's another opportunity for folks.
[45:49] Make sense? All right, I'm gonna step off to the side.
[45:53] I will help facilitate this the best that I can.
[45:56] We would love to hear from folks who wants to start us off.
[46:01] Come on. Is that working? Okay, great.
[46:10] Thank you.
[46:15] Hello everybody. Uh, long time, no c Jen
[46:19] and Karen, Joe and the rest of you.
[46:23] Congrats for doing this once again.
[46:26] Um, basically for those of you who might not recognize me,
[46:31] I was on the planning commission from 2015
[46:34] to 2025, so a fairly long way.
[46:38] And, uh, one of my pet projects was to, uh,
[46:43] get, uh, Plymouth zoning moved in the right direction
[46:47] and into the 21st century, so to speak.
[46:50] And, uh, one of the best ways there is now is, uh,
[46:55] using form-based code.
[46:56] How many of you know what form-based code is
[46:58] or have heard of it at least?
[47:01] Okay, that that's a start.
[47:02] At least, uh, half of you in here have have heard it.
[47:05] So that's what we're trying to get going in Plymouth.
[47:09] And during, uh, the city commission, they passed, uh,
[47:13] a zoning audit, uh, study to go through our zoning codes
[47:17] and find out all the low hanging fruit
[47:20] and things that could be easily fixed
[47:22] and things that would be more difficult.
[47:25] And one of the components was to do a test case
[47:28] of a form-based code.
[47:31] And through a lot of discussion, we decided
[47:33] that Old Village would probably be the best place to
[47:38] institute this first, uh, form-based code.
[47:41] And, uh, uh,
[47:45] when I wasn't reappointed in 2025, I thought, oh no,
[47:50] I didn't, didn't get to send this across the finish line.
[47:54] So I would encourage the commission to not
[47:58] take your foot off the gas
[48:00] and trying to move this thing along
[48:02] because, uh, we don't want Plymouth to fall
[48:05] behind all the other communities around metro Detroit
[48:09] and outside of Metro Detroit that have
[48:12] instituted form-based codes in some degree.
[48:15] And they're greatly benefiting from these.
[48:17] Probably the biggest benefit of form-based code is that
[48:21] it's predictable, you know, know what you're going to get
[48:23] before something even gets going.
[48:27] And that helps out people who live in the community as well
[48:31] as developers who don't arrive in a community
[48:35] and go, oh, we want to do this.
[48:36] And we had no idea that nobody wanted something like that.
[48:40] And we've all seen what happens when, when that happens, uh,
[48:43] fairly recently, but not make a long story short.
[48:47] Um, I would encourage you to
[48:52] move the zoning ordinances forward, modernize,
[48:57] let's get Plymouth into the 21st century.
[48:59] And I have put in my application if, uh,
[49:03] there's any vacancies for planning commission.
[49:05] So I'm ready to go if you need a a player.
[49:10] Thank you very much for bringing your yourself up
[49:12] for the first person to speak.
[49:13] We appreciate that.
[49:16] Can I just respond for a second, Scott?
[49:18] Uh, obviously, so Scott
[49:20] and I actually started on the planning
[49:22] commission right around the same time.
[49:24] Um, and I have every intention of, of
[49:29] trying to move forward in a really timely manner
[49:32] with rezoning because I mean, you
[49:34] and I both know that so many things have been built,
[49:38] frankly, where they don't belong
[49:39] because we haven't been able to get the zoning, um,
[49:43] caught up to where it needs to be.
[49:45] And it is a long, tedious, hard process,
[49:48] and I don't want to slow down on on this.
[49:52] I, I think that, um, you know, if people want to, um,
[49:57] uh, to know what's going on, come to every
[50:02] planning commission meeting and be there, um,
[50:05] and pay attention, show up, ask questions.
[50:08] Greta is a fan right over there.
[50:11] She's our city planner and she's a fantastic resource.
[50:14] So if you have have questions, um, direct them towards her
[50:17] or I mean, you can contact us,
[50:19] we'll probably send you to her.
[50:21] Um, but, uh, I think that for me, that's one of, uh,
[50:26] that's on, uh, one, one of the, the top top few of things
[50:31] that I, I like to do.
[50:32] Yeah, I would agree with that entirely.
[50:35] And, and that it, it takes a long, long time to get
[50:37] that going because life happens
[50:41] and things come across the planning commissions city
[50:44] commission and you, you have to handle those things.
[50:47] So the zoning reform
[50:50] or moving it along is a long-term process.
[50:54] So, uh, keeping that ball rolling is,
[50:58] is the name of the big game.
[51:00] If Yeah, if I could add
[51:01] a comment to that really quick too.
[51:02] I, I agree. And, and thanks for your comment, Scott,
[51:04] and your work on that, uh, in the past.
[51:06] And I think something we as a commission need to think about
[51:08] for one year goal setting is the amount of tasks
[51:10] that we put on a other board,
[51:12] especially the planning commission, you know,
[51:14] last year I think one
[51:15] of the issues we ran into is just the amount
[51:16] of work we tried to push through.
[51:18] We have the master plan, which is already a huge our deal in
[51:20] and of itself, but also talk, talk, trying to talk about
[51:24] ADUs accessory dwelling units
[51:25] and finding the rules around those.
[51:26] And also the residential compatibility ordinance
[51:29] and also this, I mean, in the, the zoning audit,
[51:31] there's a lot of different things.
[51:32] So I think we as a commission when we talk about this, need
[51:34] to figure out what the priorities are, um, instead
[51:37] of just trying to get everything on the list. So
[51:40] Yeah, And we've also have, each
[51:43] of the city commissioners are liaisons
[51:45] to the different committees.
[51:46] Like Joe is our liaison to the planning commission.
[51:49] Brock is our alternate liaison to the planning commission.
[51:51] And, and, um, as we continue, oh, I'm sorry, Jen is, sorry,
[51:56] Brock is with, uh, uh, ZBA.
[51:59] Yeah. Um, trying to memorize 'em all.
[52:01] Um, and so everybody has multiple different commissions
[52:04] that they're, they're the liaison
[52:05] for us as, as a commission.
[52:06] And as we begin our dialogue, we'll be relying on each other
[52:10] as well as the administrative team so that we can get
[52:12] to the finish line on things.
[52:13] Yeah, and that's, that's worked out well in the past,
[52:16] having someone from the city commission in the meeting while
[52:20] it's going on for the planning commission.
[52:23] So there's no lag effect on getting messages to and from.
[52:28] So that, that's very helpful.
[52:30] Thank you. Appreciate your input.
[52:32] Scott, I wanna, I wanna personally thank you for one
[52:36] bringing up form-based codes, um, at the,
[52:39] the master plan we had before the one we just approved.
[52:42] You really, um, were the,
[52:44] you driving force forward and brought it along.
[52:46] And I know you educated me, we used to meet
[52:47] with grad all the time and, um, it, it's been a long slog.
[52:51] So, um, uh, I, I can't commend you enough for
[52:54] how much you have brought to the planning commission in
[52:57] your years of service there.
[52:58] And, uh, I really appreciate it and
[53:00] and appreciate what you brought
[53:02] to the table and your expertise.
[53:03] So thank you for all those years
[53:05] and thanks for bringing it up
[53:06] because I think it's a difficult conversation.
[53:09] Um, zoning is a ton of work
[53:11] and I think, as Brock said, we have to be careful.
[53:13] We don't, don't over commit
[53:14] to things we can't have the capacity to do,
[53:17] but it is something that, you're right, we have
[53:19] to prioritize that we're moving forward.
[53:21] So the city develops in a way that we're all happy with it
[53:24] and we're moving forward
[53:25] and, um, you know, the systems are happy,
[53:28] the developers are happy and, and, and we improve
[53:31] and we make the city viable for
[53:33] what the future is bringing us.
[53:35] So, but thank you you
[53:36] because you really were the one
[53:37] that brought form-based codes
[53:39] to the table years ago, so thanks.
[53:41] Oh, thanks Karen. Very nice.
[53:43] Um, yeah, it's, uh, hopefully we can get that going one
[53:48] of these days and, uh, everybody here knows
[53:50] how difficult it is can to get these things moving along.
[53:53] But thank you. I'll, I'll let,
[53:55] I'll give up the mic for the next person. I think
[53:57] There was a late lady in The
[53:59] Thank you. I think there's a
[54:00] lady in the ba. Oh, was that you?
[54:01] I think that was in the back that came forward. Okay,
[54:04] Well thank you. Now
[54:05] I know what that means.
[54:07] Hi, I am Patty Jamison, 2 5 5 North Harvey,
[54:11] 44 years in Plymouth.
[54:14] Holy moly. I was just a child when we came here.
[54:17] Um, as many of you know, and,
[54:20] and some, in some residents, I was not very active
[54:25] in the city until champion PUD.
[54:29] And for those of you that that really got to know me,
[54:32] I'm kind of, in many ways, a little bit like Karen.
[54:35] I do a lot of research
[54:37] and I have driven many of you crazy asking questions.
[54:42] Um, and I'm asking, I'm looking at Greta,
[54:45] I'm asking questions 'cause I don't know the answer.
[54:47] I'm not asking questions 'cause I'm challenging you.
[54:50] There are times I am challenging you,
[54:52] but most of the time, um, my, it's,
[54:56] it's really not a question.
[54:58] I think it's really a comment for someone that is new,
[55:02] looking at the planning commission, the city commission,
[55:05] and I commend you all.
[55:07] It's a position I would not want to have.
[55:10] The past year has been a lot, I think,
[55:14] I think we can all agree it's been a lot,
[55:16] the election's been a lot.
[55:18] It's been hard on everyone.
[55:21] For me it is, where do I find information
[55:24] and how is that communicated?
[55:27] Um, and it goes to where do I find things on the website?
[55:32] And, and Greta at the planning commission where you
[55:36] outlined everything and you had Holly start to prioritize,
[55:41] that was extremely helpful for me.
[55:43] I was extremely overwhelmed by all of that.
[55:46] But the reason I would like to talk about
[55:50] the communication piece, I noticed that you have branding,
[55:54] that you're looking at branding.
[55:56] Is it possible to look at how things are communicated
[56:01] with the residents
[56:02] and how the residents communicate back with,
[56:06] with everyone from Chris to Greta, to everyone?
[56:09] Um, I think we've come to a point at the city where
[56:14] it's, it got pretty vital for everyone.
[56:18] And I am pleased
[56:20] that we're having this communication piece tonight.
[56:23] But I'm gonna use an example of this meeting.
[56:27] I received an email about the meeting, then I saw it on the,
[56:30] on the city's website.
[56:33] Um, and then, um, I posted it on next door.
[56:38] I looked to see if the Rock had anything about the meeting
[56:41] and they posted it today.
[56:44] Um, then I looked at both political parties
[56:46] because I joined both political parties Facebook page
[56:50] during the election so I could learn about the candidates.
[56:53] Some of you know, I was very interested in learning about
[56:55] your thought process and how you made decisions.
[56:59] The Republican party did post it.
[57:02] The Democratic party never posted it at all.
[57:05] So I posted it on the Democratic party.
[57:08] So when I talk about, when I talk about communication,
[57:12] it's just not everyone's sitting here and all the residents
[57:17] and it's not all of you.
[57:20] It really has to go to
[57:23] how is the rock communicating the important issues.
[57:26] Like this meeting I think is extremely important.
[57:29] And I don't know if the DDA does things like that.
[57:32] It on the chamber, it wasn't posted on the chamber.
[57:36] So it really takes a lot of the residents to kind of jump in
[57:39] and communicate with that.
[57:42] So as you move forward, if there is some committees
[57:46] that you'd like to look at, at how we communicate
[57:49] in a positive way to move to really move forward, I,
[57:53] I don't care what party you're in, I care
[57:56] what is good for Plymouth.
[57:58] Thank you. We appreciate that. Thank you.
[57:59] And I think that's something that we can put on our list
[58:02] as we are getting ready to do our strategic plan, to look at
[58:05] how we're communicating as if there's ways
[58:07] that we can better do a better job.
[58:09] Um, and we appreciate the input.
[58:12] Can I just, uh, respond real quick too?
[58:13] Um, so, uh, Patty, for this one, we, we really, it,
[58:17] it was a short notice and,
[58:18] and that's really a part of the, the issue here.
[58:21] Um, this commission was a little bit slow getting seated
[58:24] because of the changes to state election law law.
[58:27] So we were kind of a month behind doing everything.
[58:29] And this meeting, we would
[58:30] have liked to have done it earlier.
[58:32] Um, we did it as quick as we could,
[58:33] but unfortunately that meant that the, uh,
[58:35] the notice went out, uh, just a week ago and,
[58:38] and people didn't have a lot of time to react.
[58:40] So yeah. Yeah.
[58:43] What'd she say? Mm-hmm.
[58:51] Okay. And so, um, I know you couldn't hear her,
[58:54] so she was saying, uh, even on short notice,
[58:56] there were a lot of residents here, so that's a good thing.
[58:58] But we, we just need
[59:00] to keep the focus on communicating and get it out early. So
[59:03] A hundred percent thank you. And we,
[59:04] we quickly put this together
[59:05] because it was important to us to make sure
[59:08] that we are listening to you
[59:09] before we went to our
[59:11] strategic planning session, not afterwards.
[59:14] 'cause that then we can't take into consideration
[59:16] what things are important to all of you.
[59:22] Thank you. Um,
[59:26] The neighbors, residents.
[59:33] Thank you.
[59:39] Thank you.
[59:40] If I can just jump in, just a very brief
[59:43] housekeeping matter.
[59:44] We are obviously gonna try
[59:46] to do this in shorthand and bullet points.
[59:48] If you think we're mischaracterizing
[59:50] or representing what you say, please let us know.
[59:52] Um, we, we are just gonna try to keep it short
[59:55] to bullet bullet points, but if you feel like we're missing
[59:57] the mark, clarify for us, we want to get it right.
[1:00:00] Um, but we're just trying to do it in short bullet points.
[1:00:03] So if, if the message you're trying to convey is not
[1:00:06] what we put up there, please, please, please let us know.
[1:00:08] Just come over to the side or let us know.
[1:00:10] We, we just want to get it right.
[1:00:17] Okay.
[1:00:23] Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it,
[1:00:26] Sir.
[1:00:27] Hi, Marie Everett. Uh, 1240 Fairground.
[1:00:31] Um, something that is important to me,
[1:00:36] um, is addressing the flooding
[1:00:41] slash storm water issues.
[1:00:45] And there's a lot of things between ordinances,
[1:00:50] zoning, um,
[1:00:53] some sustainable infrastructure tasks
[1:00:56] that that can be added.
[1:00:58] Um, some things to look at with the master plan and,
[1:01:03] and I think maybe
[1:01:07] a committee or something that can work between all of those,
[1:01:11] because there's so many different things that can be done
[1:01:15] to help fix that issue.
[1:01:18] Um, and we need to start doing something
[1:01:23] sooner rather than later.
[1:01:25] Thanks.
[1:01:27] Thank you.
[1:01:32] Good evening. My name's Jamie Kavanaugh,
[1:01:34] 6 1 0 Long Street.
[1:01:36] Um, I'm really excited to be here tonight to announce, um,
[1:01:38] a new group that I've just formed in here in Plymouth
[1:01:41] called Ybi Plymouth.
[1:01:43] Ybi stands for, yes, in my Backyard.
[1:01:45] We are pro density, pro housing.
[1:01:48] Um, excited to see the plans that come into,
[1:01:51] we're not the ones creating the plans or doing the building,
[1:01:54] but we recognize there's a national
[1:01:56] and statewide shortage of housing.
[1:01:58] And this is all types of housing.
[1:01:59] We're not talking specifically about affordable housing,
[1:02:02] although we support affordable housing projects as well.
[1:02:05] Um, but I've been really delighted at the amount of support.
[1:02:08] You know, I think this is really important personally.
[1:02:11] And just the amount of support I've felt already from the
[1:02:15] community, um, knowing that there's really a strong
[1:02:17] constituency that sees Plymouth as a place
[1:02:19] that should be welcoming.
[1:02:20] We're excited to, um, you know,
[1:02:22] I think increasing density is really the least
[1:02:25] of what we could do.
[1:02:26] So we're excited to just open dialogue with the commission
[1:02:30] and with all the committees and departments
[1:02:32] and, um, you know, we'll be hearing from me
[1:02:35] and other members of our group.
[1:02:37] Um, and, you know, we support local,
[1:02:39] we'll support local projects,
[1:02:40] we'll support zoning amendments,
[1:02:42] master plan changes, things like that.
[1:02:44] Um, but we'll also support statewide policy.
[1:02:46] And you should all know, there's, um, plan
[1:02:48] to be a big tranche of bills addressing house,
[1:02:51] the housing shortage introduced at the state level.
[1:02:53] And this is a bipartisan package that, um,
[1:02:57] will include things will probably include things like adu,
[1:03:01] um, requiring municipal, all municipalities to allow
[1:03:05] ADUs in single family zoned areas.
[1:03:07] And so, you know, these are, there's a lot
[1:03:09] of different changes that can streamline the permitting
[1:03:11] process and that can, um, increase density.
[1:03:15] And they're happening in states as different
[1:03:17] as Texas and California.
[1:03:19] Um, you know, states. So it's a bipartisan issue.
[1:03:21] States across the aisle are realizing that
[1:03:25] housing is such an important issue.
[1:03:27] It's such a personal issue for people.
[1:03:29] Um, we have very different needs at
[1:03:30] different stages in our lives.
[1:03:32] I love talking to people in Plymouth about housing
[1:03:34] and their thoughts and ideas and hearing of, you know,
[1:03:36] just all the different places
[1:03:38] and stages in life where you need many different options.
[1:03:41] So we wanna make sure that all
[1:03:42] of those options are available here in Plymouth
[1:03:45] and that we're welcoming to the
[1:03:46] biggest number of people possible.
[1:03:48] Thank you. Thank
[1:03:50] You.
[1:03:55] Okay. Uh, Patty McCoy. I live at five 20 Maria Drive.
[1:03:59] I came to advocate for, um, um, getting food composting,
[1:04:05] um, available for all of our residents.
[1:04:08] Um, I've lived in Plymouth for a long time,
[1:04:09] so I can remember when they rolled out the curbside
[1:04:13] recycling and the, um, either the bags
[1:04:17] or the tags for your garbage can.
[1:04:20] Um, and I remember
[1:04:21] that the recycling initiative really cut down on the amount
[1:04:25] of garbage people were throwing out.
[1:04:28] So currently I pay for the service that is available, um,
[1:04:33] Midtown, that gives you a five gallon bucket.
[1:04:36] You fill it up with your food waste,
[1:04:38] you put it out once a week, they come
[1:04:40] and they, they take the bucket, they give you a clean one,
[1:04:43] and that has cut down my garbage that I put out,
[1:04:48] um, at least in half.
[1:04:51] And so if we could do that citywide,
[1:04:54] because you know, currently we see that in our communities
[1:04:58] that border us, they have, you know, issues with, you know,
[1:05:03] landfills are getting filled up.
[1:05:05] And if we could do that, it would cut down a lot of,
[1:05:08] not only, only the garbage that is put out,
[1:05:10] which I know is a big issue for some people, like trying
[1:05:13] to reduce our garbage.
[1:05:15] But when you have, if you had something more sustainable
[1:05:20] for everybody, then it might be a little, um, neater.
[1:05:25] I know people have talked about like rats
[1:05:27] and like those, the buckets they use are like animal proof.
[1:05:32] So that's what I came to talk about.
[1:05:34] Just if we could get that going.
[1:05:37] I know that it was on the list of, um, like
[1:05:39] for kitchen waste, but I would really like to advocate
[1:05:42] for a citywide type of program.
[1:05:46] Thanks, actually, Patty, if I could respond to that. Okay.
[1:05:49] Uh, so the reason why that composting is on their first
[1:05:51] place is because of me.
[1:05:54] Uh, it's been, uh, kinda a passion project
[1:05:56] of mine since I joined the commission.
[1:05:58] Um, when I started, uh, Chris
[1:06:00] and our DMS were able to partner with Midtown
[1:06:03] to get a discount for new Plymouth residents
[1:06:05] who sign up for their service.
[1:06:06] And I also use that same composter,
[1:06:09] but I would love to see us try to expand that as well.
[1:06:12] That's gonna be something I'm gonna try to advocate
[1:06:14] for on the commission this year.
[1:06:16] Um, maybe even doing something like we could bring
[1:06:19] compost to DMS yard.
[1:06:20] I don't know. We have to explore more options though,
[1:06:22] because it really is the biggest contributor
[1:06:24] to greenhouse gases in terms of like landfill inputs.
[1:06:28] And honestly, it's something that
[1:06:31] on an individual level every one
[1:06:33] of us can make a difference with.
[1:06:34] So I completely agree.
[1:06:36] Uh, there's some other sustainability issues
[1:06:38] that I had thought out of
[1:06:39] that other communities have been doing.
[1:06:41] Um, like battery recycling.
[1:06:42] Livonia has stations available now
[1:06:44] where you can take your dead batteries
[1:06:46] and get rid of them safely.
[1:06:48] And that's other waste that doesn't belong in our landfills
[1:06:51] and is huge contaminant.
[1:06:52] So there are things that I want us to, to do and to pursue.
[1:06:56] So I, I do, when we go into our strategic planning session,
[1:06:59] I'll be talking about this with my colleagues,
[1:07:01] but thank you very much for Thank you.
[1:07:03] Your comments.
[1:07:05] Yeah, I guess if I can add to that too, um, yeah,
[1:07:08] I think the, the food composting, um, uh,
[1:07:12] partnership that we did was great.
[1:07:13] A discount for city residents.
[1:07:15] Um, and, uh, you know,
[1:07:17] I think there are other option opportunities for us too
[1:07:19] that we'll definitely talk at at one year goal setting.
[1:07:21] But you know, also education
[1:07:23] for residents on if they have the space
[1:07:25] and can do gardening on their own,
[1:07:26] like just the educational resources that are there.
[1:07:29] And, you know, there are plenty of people in the community
[1:07:30] that do that right now, so just getting the information
[1:07:32] to people is another option too.
[1:07:33] So a lot to discuss there for sure.
[1:07:42] Thank you. Hi, my, my name is Luke Callier.
[1:07:46] Thank you guys for, uh, giving us the opportunity to speak.
[1:07:49] Um, uh, I'm no longer a Plymouth resident.
[1:07:51] I just did move out to Garden City, but, uh,
[1:07:53] before I did, um, live, uh, in Plymouth, uh,
[1:07:56] my concern's gonna be a little different.
[1:07:58] Um, I just wanna lie.
[1:07:59] Um, outline of background for the residents,
[1:08:01] as this is issue involves multiple agencies
[1:08:03] and significant public money.
[1:08:05] Um, but in 2022, the Michigan Secretary
[1:08:07] of State get referred to campaign finance matter involving
[1:08:10] the non-profit, uh, bipartisan Solutions Incorporated
[1:08:14] for potential criminal review.
[1:08:15] Uh, the nonprofit provided approximately $782,000 in
[1:08:19] financial support to fair
[1:08:21] and equal Michigan a ballot com, uh, committee
[1:08:23] that was co-chaired by Ms. McGuire at that time.
[1:08:25] Uh, she was not, um,
[1:08:27] to my understanding a city
[1:08:28] commissioner when this took place.
[1:08:30] Um, the, the concern here is not about, uh,
[1:08:33] holding local office at the time,
[1:08:35] but about the process of transparency, uh, sorry.
[1:08:39] The Secretary of State believed
[1:08:40] that the matter was serious enough to escalate
[1:08:41] beyond civil enforcement, which is not routine
[1:08:43] for campaign finance matters,
[1:08:45] and is reserved for cases that go above
[1:08:47] and beyond reporting viola, uh, reporting violations.
[1:08:50] Uh, public reporting indicates that,
[1:08:52] uh, referral did not proceed.
[1:08:54] Uh, and the handling of this matter is now subject of, uh,
[1:08:57] legislative oversight.
[1:08:58] Uh, specifically the House Oversight Committee held the, uh,
[1:09:01] public hearing on December 16th, uh,
[1:09:04] during which Michigan lawmakers reviewed internal
[1:09:06] communications and subpoenaed
[1:09:07] and materials related to the campaign finance referral, um,
[1:09:12] and how sorry, uh, during the Michigan lawmaker, uh,
[1:09:17] during the hearing,
[1:09:19] Michigan lawmakers reviewed internal communications
[1:09:21] and subpoenaed materials, uh, related to this kind, uh,
[1:09:24] campaign finance referral on how it was handled
[1:09:26] by the Attorney General's office, including questions that,
[1:09:29] uh, about conflict safeguards
[1:09:31] and process integrity as part of the oversight process.
[1:09:34] The house or site, uh,
[1:09:35] committee later passed a motion related to the contempt
[1:09:38] after determining the Attorney General's office did not
[1:09:40] fully comply with the legislative subpoenas connected
[1:09:43] to this matter, uh, is also public matter that the, uh,
[1:09:46] that the record that there's also a, a matter
[1:09:49] of public record that Commissioner McGuire is, um, married
[1:09:51] to Michigan Attorney General Dana Nestle, whose office, uh,
[1:09:55] had of, had authority over the this matter.
[1:09:58] Uh, it is, uh, a matter of public, sorry, uh,
[1:10:01] I wanna be clear that I'm not alleging any wrongdoing.
[1:10:03] However, when large sums of public, uh,
[1:10:06] of non-profit public funding, campaign finance
[1:10:09] and, uh, enforcement decisions in close
[1:10:11] personal relationships intersect, uh,
[1:10:13] when those matters becomes subject of legislative subpoenas
[1:10:16] and public hearings, residents, uh,
[1:10:18] reasonably expect transparency and clarity.
[1:10:20] Uh, so my question is how we, uh, uh, with this history, uh,
[1:10:24] how we ensure Plymouth residents can, uh, have confidence
[1:10:27] and ethical judgment as a city Commissioner,
[1:10:30] Thank you so much for being here tonight.
[1:10:32] Thank you. It took a lot. Thank
[1:10:33] You so much for your script that you've read out,
[1:10:35] and I have no comment on anything that you've had to say.
[1:10:37] Alright, thank you.
[1:10:42] Hi, I'm Jane Benson, eight 14 Dear Court,
[1:10:45] I appreciate you having this meeting.
[1:10:46] And I was at the other meeting when we had all the boards
[1:10:50] with the sticky notes of what we wanted to see done,
[1:10:52] and I really appreciate that too.
[1:10:54] Sometime after that, um,
[1:10:58] Could you please, uh, be quiet in the audience
[1:11:00] when we've got people speaking? Thank
[1:11:02] You.
[1:11:16] Sometime after that, and not, I can't remember
[1:11:19] where I read it or who said it,
[1:11:20] but someone was saying what a great, um, thing that was.
[1:11:24] And we got a lot of input, which was great.
[1:11:26] But then they said, um, of course there are the naysayers
[1:11:29] who don't want anything in Plymouth to change.
[1:11:32] And I just wanna point out that even people
[1:11:35] who don't want anything to change have a valid opinion.
[1:11:39] And I think that part of
[1:11:40] that opinion might be in the Keep Plymouth Charming,
[1:11:44] um, kind of agenda.
[1:11:45] So I just want everyone,
[1:11:47] if someone says we don't wanna do anything, when it comes
[1:11:49] to some of the streetscapes
[1:11:50] and all that, hopefully they mean they wanna keep things,
[1:11:55] um, the infrastructure up.
[1:11:57] But I hope you don't discount that opinion.
[1:12:00] Um, and part of that to me, uh, flows into
[1:12:04] my opinion on some of the events in Plymouth, um,
[1:12:07] and how they affect the residents.
[1:12:09] I know that a lot of the events like Art in the Park
[1:12:11] and Fall Festival, to me, they are now, I don't know
[1:12:15] what the end game is
[1:12:16] and when it, the tipping point is, is too much, is too much
[1:12:20] for me as a resident.
[1:12:21] It's been too much for a few years,
[1:12:23] and I think we have too many events and too many people.
[1:12:26] And after art in the park, there's, oh,
[1:12:28] this year we had this many more thousands
[1:12:31] and this many more days,
[1:12:32] and this many more streets or whatever.
[1:12:34] And is that really a goal?
[1:12:36] And, and what is the endgame with that goal?
[1:12:39] And you know, I see the signs that are up thanks
[1:12:41] to the Plymouth residents, these streets
[1:12:43] or these curbs are repaired, that's great.
[1:12:46] But these people coming in, you know,
[1:12:49] in these big events are deteriorating
[1:12:51] our infrastructure too.
[1:12:52] So I just hope you keep in mind not just
[1:12:55] what the businesses want
[1:12:56] and not what these outside vendors,
[1:12:59] how much money they wanna make here,
[1:13:00] but keep in mind how these events affect the residents
[1:13:04] and the Keep Plymouth charming goal,
[1:13:07] I think says we wanna keep our small town a small town.
[1:13:10] That's why we live here. That's why we move here.
[1:13:12] I really don't think people move here
[1:13:14] because of art in the park and Fall festival.
[1:13:16] They move here because we have a clean, safe city. That's my
[1:13:22] Thank you.
[1:13:27] Good evening. Tracy Sinco, 1370 Penman.
[1:13:30] I am a 35 plus year resident of the city.
[1:13:34] Um, I'm concerned about the number of vacant, um,
[1:13:37] or underutilized commercial properties
[1:13:39] that we have in our community right now.
[1:13:41] Sites like the former Rite Aid store, the old Panera Bread
[1:13:46] location, Delta Diamond, the Lumber Mart on Mill Street.
[1:13:49] There are several commercial properties on Main
[1:13:51] Street that remain vacant.
[1:13:53] And these are the gateway areas of our community,
[1:13:56] and they, uh, create visible gaps in our community
[1:13:59] and are discouraging, sending wrong messages
[1:14:03] to residents and visitors.
[1:14:04] So in order to, um, create
[1:14:08] and encourage responsible redevelopment developers,
[1:14:11] I believe need reasonable, fair firm
[1:14:14] and consistent standards
[1:14:15] and predictable board decisions
[1:14:17] that they can rely on in order to want to bring new
[1:14:20] and, um, engaging activities
[1:14:23] and businesses to our community. Thank you.
[1:14:26] Thank you, Tracy.
[1:14:40] Hello, Paul Blackford, three 40 boroughs.
[1:14:42] Been in Plymouth for 12 years.
[1:14:43] And Jen, thank you for talking to me earlier.
[1:14:45] I'm the secretary of the Fairground Park Association,
[1:14:47] also joined by my colleague Debra here.
[1:14:49] And as was one of the few non, uh, sponsored parks,
[1:14:54] we wanted to get your attention
[1:14:57] and talk about additional funding opportunities in this
[1:14:59] coming year to also do a new play
[1:15:02] structure in Fairground Park.
[1:15:03] We did a survey during our block party back in September.
[1:15:07] I know it was a contentious
[1:15:08] and busy political season,
[1:15:09] so we weren't able to get in front of you yet.
[1:15:11] We'd like to get in front of you
[1:15:12] for discussions on developments this year,
[1:15:15] next year with additional phasing.
[1:15:17] And of course, as I mentioned, funding as well.
[1:15:20] Thank you. Very.
[1:15:42] Is that better? Oh yeah, it was, uh, uh, not
[1:15:46] that I wanna rehash the champion, PUDI mean, we couldn't do
[1:15:49] that anyway because the people have changed.
[1:15:51] So, uh, but one of the things that came out of that was, uh,
[1:15:56] at late in the process was when we did the,
[1:15:58] the working session, which, uh, mayor deal called the going
[1:16:02] above and beyond, uh, as the residents, you know,
[1:16:05] we're, we're following the process.
[1:16:07] If you told me 20 years ago I'd be reading processes on city
[1:16:11] websites, I'd think you were nuts.
[1:16:13] But now we end up doing that, uh, just
[1:16:15] so we know what's going to on, uh,
[1:16:17] then late in the game when all
[1:16:19] of a sudden there's this new stop up to go above and beyond
[1:16:22] and we can't get why we're going above and above
[1:16:25] and beyond for this PUD.
[1:16:26] But we didn't go above
[1:16:27] and beyond for this other one that we voted no on.
[1:16:30] It leaves us wondering why.
[1:16:33] Uh, so framing this as a one year task, uh, I'd like
[1:16:37] to have one, one or the other.
[1:16:39] Let's go through the PUD process
[1:16:41] and if there's extra steps that we're going
[1:16:42] to do, let's put 'em in there.
[1:16:44] If there's criteria for which PUDs we're gonna go above
[1:16:48] and beyond four and which ones we're
[1:16:49] not, let's put that there.
[1:16:51] Because I think if the residents see it coming
[1:16:53] before it comes, we would've, uh,
[1:16:55] it would've been a lot smoother.
[1:16:57] So thanks.
[1:16:59] Thank you. Test. Okay, this one's working too.
[1:17:04] Alright, I'll try it. Yay. We'll see what happens.
[1:17:09] Hi, I am Betsy Mauer Valeric.
[1:17:11] I live at 2 1 6 North Holbrook Street.
[1:17:14] And as I always say, I grew up here,
[1:17:16] I raised my family here,
[1:17:18] and my, one
[1:17:19] of my daughters is raising my granddaughters here.
[1:17:22] And we all love Plymouth.
[1:17:24] I be off the, what I was gonna say,
[1:17:28] I loved hearing about this composting,
[1:17:30] and I wanted to bring up something.
[1:17:31] My oldest daughter lives in Waterloo, Ontario, in Canada.
[1:17:36] They have a wonderful program where they have bins,
[1:17:39] and the bins are about this big
[1:17:41] and all of their composting goes to city,
[1:17:43] picks it up once a week,
[1:17:45] or it is the city of Waterloo, I believe.
[1:17:48] And then in Spring, the people that participate are allowed
[1:17:53] to come and get free compost for their gardens,
[1:17:56] which I would love to see here.
[1:17:58] So if you wanna have a advocate, that's me.
[1:18:02] So what I was gonna say is, thank you
[1:18:04] so much for having this meeting.
[1:18:07] It's really refreshing to feel that you are open
[1:18:10] to the voices of the community.
[1:18:13] And, um, I'm really encouraged by it.
[1:18:17] And I'm really hoping that this is the start
[1:18:19] of a new era in city leadership where there's collaboration
[1:18:23] and good communication.
[1:18:25] I only have, I have two like simple, I think requests,
[1:18:29] well maybe not simple,
[1:18:30] but when making decisions about the development,
[1:18:35] whether it's residential
[1:18:36] or business, my hope is that
[1:18:41] unique character of the community first
[1:18:44] and foremost over, you know, some of the political things
[1:18:48] and some of the monetary things.
[1:18:51] It's really special here.
[1:18:52] I have people visit from the east side and the sea.
[1:18:57] My daughter of course, from Canada,
[1:18:59] but her friends come frequently too
[1:19:01] and love Plymouth, love the downtown,
[1:19:05] love the neighborhoods, love the park,
[1:19:08] and it's really special and you have to guard it.
[1:19:11] And so I hope that's gonna be on the top of the list.
[1:19:15] Um, and I, it's funny in, in talking,
[1:19:19] I was in quite involved in the, uh, champion situation
[1:19:25] and there are some people that were attempted to say, some
[1:19:28] of us old timers are resistant
[1:19:31] to change, but that's not true.
[1:19:34] I love how watching the change in Plymouth,
[1:19:38] I love the festivals.
[1:19:39] I love the park, I love the restaurants.
[1:19:42] I love walking in a community that's vibrant.
[1:19:46] Um, and I, we've done a good job track.
[1:19:51] Secondly, and I don't know that I understand that there
[1:19:56] may new appointments to the planning commission,
[1:20:00] and I'm hoping you'll select people
[1:20:05] that are in line with this type of open communication
[1:20:09] and understanding and hearing what the residents care about.
[1:20:15] Um, many
[1:20:16] of us have felt disrespected in those meetings.
[1:20:22] Let's, what I would like to see is that we turn
[1:20:26] completely over
[1:20:27] and start with a fresh commitment
[1:20:29] to keep our city vibrant, unique and special.
[1:20:32] Thank you.
[1:20:43] Hello. Hi, my name is Chelsea Lonsdale.
[1:20:46] I've lived in Plymouth since 20 20 17.
[1:20:49] I live in the housing cooperative, uh, just outside of town,
[1:20:52] which I think is maybe the most affordable place, uh,
[1:20:56] to live in Plymouth.
[1:20:57] And my concern, um, in line with some other, um,
[1:21:02] residents have shared is affordable housing.
[1:21:04] I, I moved here in 2017, um,
[1:21:06] two years into my current position
[1:21:09] as tenured faculty at a community college.
[1:21:12] Um, and since then I've doubled my salary,
[1:21:16] but I can't afford to move out of the cooperative.
[1:21:19] Um, and that, that breaks my heart.
[1:21:21] When I moved here, I thought I would live there
[1:21:23] for a few years and then be able to buy a house,
[1:21:25] but the cost of housing has gone up so much
[1:21:28] and I know that that's not just a Plymouth issue.
[1:21:31] Um, my concern is with the developers that are coming in
[1:21:34] that are outsiders coming in, buying up properties,
[1:21:37] turning those properties into tearing down
[1:21:39] homes, um, smaller homes.
[1:21:41] I don't need a big home. It's me and my daughter.
[1:21:43] Um, but I'd like to see, and it,
[1:21:46] and it looks like that's on the agenda.
[1:21:47] It's in progress. And I was at the meeting that happened
[1:21:50] last year, last year in the same space
[1:21:52] to talk about some of those concerns.
[1:21:55] Um, so I just want to reiterate that there, there is a need
[1:21:58] for not just affordable housing, but smaller housing.
[1:22:01] Um, and as there seems
[1:22:03] to be an increase in bigger homes coming in, um,
[1:22:06] or this desire to move development forward, um,
[1:22:10] someone asked previously, where is, where is the end goal?
[1:22:13] How much development is enough?
[1:22:14] Um, with the old village development, um, and the,
[1:22:18] and the, um, the CIAI, I notice
[1:22:20] that development is a priority,
[1:22:23] but what are, what are we bringing in and at what cost?
[1:22:25] At what cost do we sort of outgrow, um,
[1:22:28] or become unsustainable?
[1:22:30] Um, for, for the people who are here
[1:22:33] or the people who want to be here that may not, um,
[1:22:37] may not want a huge house or,
[1:22:39] or properties that are owned by companies
[1:22:42] that don't have any vested interest in, in the community.
[1:22:46] Um, I have a related concern
[1:22:48] that's a little bit more practical and immediate.
[1:22:50] Um, I don't know
[1:22:51] what the city policy is on snow removal on sidewalks, um,
[1:22:55] but I run and I notice
[1:22:57] that there are vacant, um, buildings.
[1:23:00] They don't get plowed or shoveled.
[1:23:02] I noticed that sometimes when sidewalks are cleared
[1:23:05] or streets are cleared, it's dumped on the sidewalk,
[1:23:08] um, by driveway.
[1:23:10] Um, I'm sure that there's a policy in place.
[1:23:12] I don't know what it is.
[1:23:14] Um, and I'm curious to know how accountability is handled.
[1:23:17] So if there are residents or businesses, um,
[1:23:19] that aren't clearing their sidewalks, what happens?
[1:23:22] Um, and I also wonder for people
[1:23:25] who maybe can't clear their sidewalks, um, residents
[1:23:28] that can't clear their sidewalks,
[1:23:29] is there something in place or a resource in place
[1:23:31] that, that could support them?
[1:23:33] Oh, thank you.
[1:23:35] All right. Actually, I got a quick answer
[1:23:37] to the question without getting into it.
[1:23:39] Um, resident responsibility
[1:23:41] or property owner responsibility 24 hours
[1:23:43] after, call it the last snowflake, falls
[1:23:46] the crux in somewhat.
[1:23:47] That is, if it snows again, the clock starts again. Okay.
[1:23:52] However, with that said, uh, we do have code enforcement
[1:23:55] that works on a part-time basis.
[1:23:56] They go out following a snowfall
[1:23:57] and go in, inspect the whole town,
[1:23:59] and they will make note of those properties
[1:24:01] that have not cleared the snow if they're at
[1:24:04] that, uh, timeframe.
[1:24:05] So if that happens, then they get noticed
[1:24:07] and then they get, um, a short period of time
[1:24:10] after that to do it.
[1:24:11] Then we check it, and if it's not done,
[1:24:13] we get the contractor out to clear it
[1:24:15] and then take all the good pictures
[1:24:16] and date timestamps, all that fun stuff.
[1:24:19] And then we would send a bill
[1:24:21] to the property owner on behalf
[1:24:22] of the city to cover that time.
[1:24:24] Um, and it's a policy that's been adopted
[1:24:26] by the city commission, gosh, for, uh, almost 30 years,
[1:24:31] uh, is my recollection.
[1:24:33] And we do that annually.
[1:24:34] Um, so if you happen to notice, please let us know.
[1:24:39] Um, it falls under economic
[1:24:40] or community development, that's
[1:24:42] where code enforcement's located.
[1:24:43] Please let us know. Absolutely.
[1:24:48] And if I could make a comment on, on the first part,
[1:24:50] I think affordability is a huge issue.
[1:24:52] And, and like you said, it's not just a city
[1:24:54] of P employment thing, it's, it's, you know, nationally.
[1:24:57] So, um, you know, something that, um,
[1:24:59] especially when it comes to residential properties though,
[1:25:02] um, something
[1:25:04] that's been listed on here is the residential compatibility
[1:25:06] as in, in, um, a one year goal, which once again,
[1:25:10] that's another, going back to the prioritizing
[1:25:12] for the planning commission, they had
[1:25:13] so much on their plate this year that, uh, just
[1:25:15] or last year that it just wasn't feeble to get done.
[1:25:18] But I think maybe something that we can talk about
[1:25:20] as a commission is for us to figure out amongst us
[1:25:26] what sort of appetite there is for something like that, um,
[1:25:29] to give planning commission some more direction.
[1:25:32] So I think there is a concern where, you know,
[1:25:34] planning commission spends a lot of time coming up
[1:25:35] with all the rules surrounding every piece of this,
[1:25:37] and then it comes to the city commission
[1:25:39] and it's not something that we're interested in doing
[1:25:41] that there's a lot of time then that, you know, has,
[1:25:44] we'll say, you know, been wasted.
[1:25:46] So it is something that I'm really interested in though the
[1:25:48] residential compatibility,
[1:25:49] and I think we should discuss it at the city commission
[1:25:51] level to give planning commission some direction on it.
[1:25:53] So it's a a point well taken though. Thank
[1:25:56] You. I agree.
[1:25:57] I, um, during my time on the planning commission,
[1:26:01] Scott's and Karen's, uh, we passed the far,
[1:26:05] which actually brought down, uh, the size, uh,
[1:26:08] that developers or anyone can build.
[1:26:11] Um, and this next piece is the compatibility, um, ordinance,
[1:26:15] which takes into consideration the
[1:26:17] surrounding homes as well.
[1:26:19] And that's some somewhat protective of the smaller homes so
[1:26:22] that they can't be kind of big footed right next door.
[1:26:25] Um, it can look like a lot of different things.
[1:26:27] Um, we are gonna talk about it to see whether, uh,
[1:26:30] there's an appetite.
[1:26:31] We're not gonna, the planning
[1:26:32] commission has a ton of stuff to do.
[1:26:34] Um, if, if we as a board, as a commission, um,
[1:26:40] uh, don't have an appetite for it, it it won't move forward.
[1:26:43] I personally do. It sounds like Brock does.
[1:26:46] Um, because I think that's one of the few things.
[1:26:48] I mean, I'm, we all walk or drive
[1:26:52] or bike around all the time,
[1:26:53] and just in this last like two weeks, I've seen like three
[1:26:57] older, you know, probably 1920s, forties homes
[1:27:01] that have, um, development signs up
[1:27:05] and it kills me every time.
[1:27:07] So, um, we're working towards that.
[1:27:09] I think that most of us have have those same goals.
[1:27:13] Um, and so we'll thank you for your comment
[1:27:16] because I think that there is a growing, um, a growing
[1:27:21] appetite for that among, amongst the, the residents.
[1:27:24] And there's only so many, uh, so many ways to enact change
[1:27:29] and that is one of them.
[1:27:31] So yeah.
[1:27:57] Okay. I didn't think it was working.
[1:27:59] Jim Lampson 1782 Lexington
[1:28:02] to piggyback on Hurricane Man about the, the size
[1:28:05] of the new homes coming in
[1:28:07] and, um, you referenced, uh, a cap.
[1:28:10] Is there really a cap on the size of the homes?
[1:28:12] Because some of these new homes are huge,
[1:28:15] particularly the two new big monster homes
[1:28:19] on Anarbor portrayal.
[1:28:20] Yes, absolutely. What's the cap on?
[1:28:21] That's gotta be 5,000 square feet,
[1:28:24] So it's not, it has to do with the size
[1:28:26] of the property it's built on, so.
[1:28:28] Okay. Um, the, the rough answer is that it's, um,
[1:28:35] uh, the total, um, square footage
[1:28:39] of the house can be 40% of
[1:28:44] the, uh, square footage of the property,
[1:28:47] but not to exceed 30% lot coverage. So, um,
[1:28:52] So you didn't need some calculus to do, right? Yeah. You,
[1:28:54] Well, she's, uh, Greta over there is our calculus.
[1:28:57] Yeah. Okay. I was, I was just curious because, but, and,
[1:28:59] And, and just to let you, like, like every building,
[1:29:02] every site plan, uh, for everything is looked over
[1:29:05] by our building department and
[1:29:07] It's looked at Yeah, really curious.
[1:29:08] Basically, there's restriction. So many homes are
[1:29:09] restriction and are bought raised,
[1:29:11] and much larger homes are built on that property.
[1:29:14] Yeah. It kind of crazy.
[1:29:16] Can I jump into real quick? So you mentioned the,
[1:29:17] the two larger places, places on Ann Arbor Trail.
[1:29:20] Right. And now we're talking about different
[1:29:22] zoning districts as well.
[1:29:23] So in your neighborhood, in New England Village over there,
[1:29:27] um, the, um, it's zoned R one,
[1:29:29] single family residential along, uh, Ann Arbor Trail.
[1:29:32] It's zoned, um, mixed use, uh, or, or B two business.
[1:29:37] So there are different
[1:29:38] Regulations. So mixed use, meaning
[1:29:39] a current apartment complex
[1:29:41] could go in, not
[1:29:42] Necessarily, but it, it, it's different so that
[1:29:45] that floor area ratio does not apply in that district.
[1:29:49] So there's, there's one less limit they have.
[1:29:51] So it's, it gets back to the points
[1:29:53] that Scott Silvers was making earlier about, um,
[1:29:56] form-based code
[1:29:57] and making sure that our zoning
[1:29:59] for the whole city makes sense so that we know what
[1:30:02] to expect to go in there.
[1:30:03] And, you know, when, when those, uh, you know, older, um,
[1:30:07] you know, multi-family homes were torn down
[1:30:09] and these new giant places kind of went in, um, if we
[1:30:14] make sure that our codes are up to date
[1:30:16] with a vision going forward, we, we know what to expect
[1:30:20] and it, it kind of gets the city where we want it
[1:30:22] to be versus, um, right now, the, the developers, they're,
[1:30:26] they are financially motivated
[1:30:27] to maximize the square foot adjustments piece of property.
[1:30:29] Mm-hmm. And so they're gonna go right up
[1:30:31] to the absolute limits of what our, our codes allow.
[1:30:34] And we can't fault them for that.
[1:30:36] They're following the rules. And so we, we do need to have
[1:30:38] that conversation with the planning commission on
[1:30:41] what do we want them to work on
[1:30:43] and what's important to us and you.
[1:30:45] And it's, and that's a lot of it. That's a part of it. Yeah.
[1:30:47] Because we've all, we've all heard over the years,
[1:30:49] so many people saying a lot
[1:30:52] of these bigger homes are ruining the, the quaintness
[1:30:54] of, of Plymouth.
[1:30:56] So, but, but we keep going.
[1:30:57] Yeah. Joe, just, just so you know,
[1:31:00] I was on the planning commission when we approved those
[1:31:02] homes and we, they were, they're in a different district,
[1:31:05] but we, the requirement we put on approving them was
[1:31:07] that they had to live to R one standards.
[1:31:09] So they did meet the far, if
[1:31:12] I cra but they're giant.
[1:31:14] They're very deep lots. Right, right.
[1:31:16] The other thing that I've,
[1:31:18] I think we talked about a lot on the planning commission
[1:31:20] that um, is one of my kind of pet peeves is, um,
[1:31:24] I think the difference, like sometimes I would, I would,
[1:31:27] I would love to see multifamily buildings,
[1:31:31] and I wish I could say, could we build them
[1:31:33] to 1970 standards?
[1:31:35] Because a lot of things
[1:31:37] that have happened now is it's standard now,
[1:31:39] everybody wants 10 foot ceilings on every floor.
[1:31:42] So houses start to get taller,
[1:31:43] and you don't realize how much
[1:31:45] that extra height also contributes to mass.
[1:31:48] Mm-hmm. Right. So I know the building department makes sure
[1:31:52] they, they live to the far they live to, you know, there's,
[1:31:55] it's very complicated.
[1:31:56] I recommend everybody start kind of
[1:31:59] watching a planning commission meeting now and then,
[1:32:00] because you have to, there's, you learn a lot,
[1:32:03] but there's lot coverage that they go by.
[1:32:06] There's the far that they go by.
[1:32:07] If you have a detached garage versus an attached garage,
[1:32:10] it changes the calculations
[1:32:12] because on the planning commission, we wanted to, early on,
[1:32:16] and Jim Mulhern was big on this,
[1:32:18] and I thank Jim for this, is we wanted it to keep the charm,
[1:32:22] the charm of Plymouth was actually very important back in
[1:32:25] Jim Mulherin's day.
[1:32:26] And, and, and,
[1:32:28] and when I first got on the planning commission
[1:32:30] that we approved changes to encourage front porches
[1:32:35] and detach garages mm-hmm.
[1:32:37] Because that maintained the character.
[1:32:39] So I think as the years went on and developers came in
[1:32:42] and people wanted bigger homes and taller ceilings
[1:32:45] and things, we, we lost, I think focusing on
[1:32:48] that character a little bit.
[1:32:49] And I think we all need to find the right blend.
[1:32:52] And I think these kind
[1:32:54] of conversations are how we get there.
[1:32:56] So, um, I encourage people to stay involved.
[1:33:00] I think we do need some affordable housing in smaller homes,
[1:33:03] but we also, you know, people,
[1:33:06] the market demands what the market demands.
[1:33:08] Mm-hmm. Um, and it, it's really complicated.
[1:33:10] And I think the way we can all move forward the best
[1:33:13] and maintain the characters, having these conversations
[1:33:15] and all kind of coming at it from different perspectives.
[1:33:18] Because at the same time, as I say,
[1:33:20] I support the compatibility
[1:33:21] ordinance just to be on the record.
[1:33:23] You know, I've been behind that one for a while now, um,
[1:33:27] as a homeowner or if I have a small home, I wanna max
[1:33:30] and I'm moving, I wanna maximize my profit.
[1:33:33] Right. 'cause there's, to be honest,
[1:33:35] there's gonna be people saying, I don't wanna limit on
[1:33:37] what my home can be because I wanna maximize my profit.
[1:33:39] So it's, none of these things are easy,
[1:33:42] which is why we all need to have these conversations.
[1:33:45] Forms based codes could help us in the commercial area.
[1:33:50] Um, I, I think it's important that we have that,
[1:33:53] but thank you for bringing up the concern.
[1:33:55] Thank you.
[1:34:05] Hello? Oh yes.
[1:34:09] Um, Jan Waller, 10 51 North Mill Street.
[1:34:13] Um, someone mentioned old village, which means I pop up.
[1:34:16] Um, so I have a couple of old village centric things.
[1:34:19] First of all, the CIA, we are really thankful
[1:34:21] for what is happening there.
[1:34:23] It's very exciting. So thank you commission for that
[1:34:26] Say Corridor improvement authority.
[1:34:33] And we are getting, well, we've got one getting one,
[1:34:37] one foot in, one foot out at the moment.
[1:34:38] Anyway, I digress.
[1:34:40] Um, so I've got a couple
[1:34:41] of things I just wanna piggyback off of what, um,
[1:34:44] Chelsea was saying about snowplowing.
[1:34:45] One of the worst offenders for not plowing is CXX.
[1:34:49] If, uh, we live in old village
[1:34:51] and we have three crossings very closely together
[1:34:55] and they never plow.
[1:34:57] And those new crossings are lovely,
[1:34:59] but they're a little bit steeper now.
[1:35:01] So when you're walking your dog,
[1:35:02] they're a little bit extra slippy and they never touch them.
[1:35:05] And I believe that the city aren't allowed to touch them,
[1:35:07] which is an interesting situation.
[1:35:10] Um, I'd also like to say, um,
[1:35:13] last year we found out we had lead pipes.
[1:35:16] Um, I dunno how many homes that affects.
[1:35:19] I dunno if that's an old village problem,
[1:35:22] but I do know in Old Village we are getting more
[1:35:25] and more young families
[1:35:27] and it's a little bit of a worry, um, to,
[1:35:29] I've lived in my house 10 years, I've raised my kids in it,
[1:35:33] it's not a great feeling.
[1:35:35] So I, um, I'm sure there is a strategy about it,
[1:35:37] but, um, I feel that's a, a health and safety issue.
[1:35:42] And then the other thing is about the crossings.
[1:35:44] As I just said, we do have three
[1:35:46] very close crossings in Old Village,
[1:35:49] and I know that everyone hates the horns and everything,
[1:35:52] but we have three very close together,
[1:35:55] which can be 12 blasts of a horn.
[1:35:58] Um, so I would be really interested to know
[1:36:01] how places like Ferndale got quiet zones.
[1:36:04] Um, I know it's not gonna be possible for all
[1:36:07] of our crossings, and I don't think it's appropriate,
[1:36:10] but, um, I think certainly in a residential area,
[1:36:13] like Old village, those three roads,
[1:36:16] it's worth investigating at least.
[1:36:18] And thank you for the crossing on mail as well.
[1:36:20] Yes, thank you. I'm gonna go now, 'cause
[1:36:24] Jan, I'm gonna answer or,
[1:36:26] or speak to some of that at least.
[1:36:29] I too have lead pipes
[1:36:30] and I found out, um, yeah, you know, last year,
[1:36:34] and I think that there's a very small number of, of homes.
[1:36:37] Um, my street has some, um, I believe, uh,
[1:36:41] that in the next,
[1:36:43] I think the roll out's gonna take about 10 years.
[1:36:44] Is that correct? Yeah.
[1:36:46] And so there is a plan, uh, to get them all done.
[1:36:49] It's not quick. Um, I was concerned as well,
[1:36:52] and I actually asked to have, uh, my water tested
[1:36:56] and um, the city will do that if you ask.
[1:36:59] Um, right. Or was that just Yeah, that was just for me.
[1:37:02] No, anyone can do that. No. Yeah.
[1:37:04] If you're, if you are concerned, um, contact Chris Portman
[1:37:08] or, um, DMS uh,
[1:37:10] Plus, plus, there are random, random tests
[1:37:12] that are done in addition to that, not just through request.
[1:37:15] So, but I do understand the concern and yeah,
[1:37:16] It's, yeah, absolutely.
[1:37:18] Um, yeah, the water is tested, um, not just mine,
[1:37:22] but everybody, um, and so it, it's on the radar.
[1:37:26] The, uh, requirements for replacing those lead pipes, um,
[1:37:31] have, has changed.
[1:37:32] I believe it used to, uh, be the city's responsibility,
[1:37:35] just like to the sidewalk to the property,
[1:37:38] and now it's all the way to, um, to the house.
[1:37:41] So it's a little bit more expensive. Yeah.
[1:37:44] Um, and I think it is an unfunded mandate as well.
[1:37:47] Um, is that Yes, which means that, uh,
[1:37:49] we have to do it by law.
[1:37:51] Okay. Uh, but we don't get any money, um,
[1:37:53] from the state for that.
[1:37:55] Okay. So, um, it will cost the, the city.
[1:37:58] Do you both know how many homes it does affect in?
[1:38:00] Uh, I think Chris will tell you,
[1:38:04] Gosh, I'm hesitant.
[1:38:05] Sorry. I'm hesitant
[1:38:06] to just give a number off the top of my head.
[1:38:08] Okay. But, um, what, what I will tell you without just
[1:38:11] quoting a number, um, we test over 50
[1:38:16] to 75, um, places that
[1:38:19] we know have led each and every year.
[1:38:22] And, uh, we do not exceed what's called the action level.
[1:38:26] And what that means is the treatment that is in the pipes
[1:38:29] through Great Lakes water, um, over years
[1:38:33] protects the pipe itself from lead leaching in.
[1:38:37] So each and every year we test for lead and copper
[1:38:41] and a number of other
[1:38:42] inorganic chemicals and all that good stuff.
[1:38:45] And I don't recall the last time we exceeded the action
[1:38:48] level on lead or even copper in any of our test results,
[1:38:53] let alone enough of them
[1:38:55] that would trigger any other restrictions
[1:38:58] in the water usage.
[1:38:59] So I, I'm not gonna tell you it's safe,
[1:39:02] but I'm not here to tell you it's unsafe.
[1:39:04] Um, and we publish that report each and every year. Yes.
[1:39:07] Every time we do an infrastructure project,
[1:39:09] if we come across lead, it's out of there.
[1:39:11] And we are starting to target some
[1:39:13] of our infrastructure projects to go
[1:39:16] after those streets where we know we have lead.
[1:39:18] Um, there's not many, but there are some. Mm-hmm.
[1:39:22] Um, it was mentioned earlier that the rules changed.
[1:39:26] A few years ago, we would go through
[1:39:29] and replace anything that we found up to the curb stop,
[1:39:32] which is roughly the sidewalk area.
[1:39:34] And then the rules changed and now we're having to go back
[1:39:36] and anything that we didn't replace from the sidewalk into
[1:39:40] the house, now we have to go back and replace.
[1:39:42] Because now the interpretation is,
[1:39:45] it's still our responsibility, whereas
[1:39:47] before the interpretation was,
[1:39:49] it was the homeowner's responsibility.
[1:39:51] So even some that we fixed, we have to go back
[1:39:56] and fix again, but, excuse me.
[1:40:01] But we have not exceeded any of the action levels on any
[1:40:03] of our testing and decades. Alright.
[1:40:06] Thank you. You're welcome. Appreciate it.
[1:40:08] And just real quickly, again, I was gonna finish
[1:40:11] with the Quiet zones before my time on the commission.
[1:40:14] I think it might have been 15 years ago at this point.
[1:40:16] I don't know, I can't keep track of time anymore.
[1:40:18] Um, there was a, a big, um, kind
[1:40:22] of research into quiet zones
[1:40:24] and, uh, the, the crossing itself has to, uh,
[1:40:30] change and it has to be at a much higher level of like,
[1:40:34] keeping people off of those, those crossings.
[1:40:36] Um, and it became clear, I believe
[1:40:39] that it was not a financially viable solution.
[1:40:42] I, I think some of those
[1:40:43] regulations have actually changed.
[1:40:45] And if you're in, if you're ever in Ferndale, there is a,
[1:40:48] a complete quiet zone
[1:40:50] and there's no extra barriers
[1:40:51] or anything. I'm not saying that we
[1:40:52] Don't need extra barriers, I'm all for keeping people,
[1:40:55] but it's just kind of interesting.
[1:40:57] Maybe it's worth a look.
[1:40:59] I don't know if that's, maybe things have changed.
[1:41:01] I don't know. Yeah. So. Okay. Alright.
[1:41:02] Thanks very much. Well, we'll talk about it. Yeah.
[1:41:04] Just so you know, and correct me if I'm wrong, Chris,
[1:41:06] there's also could be a liability issue with quiet zones
[1:41:09] and that's what we have to look at for the city as well.
[1:41:11] Go. Yeah. All,
[1:41:18] I don't know about all of you, but I could listen
[1:41:19] to Jan talk forever. True.
[1:41:24] Um, Kristen, oh, sorry.
[1:41:25] Kristen Michail Johnson 7 1 2 Fairground.
[1:41:27] Um, one, I guess two quick issues.
[1:41:30] One, our garbage is like never picked up on time.
[1:41:33] I don't know if that's a problem in just like our quadrant,
[1:41:34] but like, it feels like the garbage is always a day later.
[1:41:38] Um, a couple of my neighbors asked me to speak on
[1:41:40] that since they couldn't be here today.
[1:41:41] And then second one is there is a, um,
[1:41:44] like a blinky light crossing situation at heart saw.
[1:41:48] And I forget which, which road it turns into.
[1:41:51] Um, and I think, again, one
[1:41:52] of my neighbors has shown up at a couple
[1:41:53] different meetings advocating for this.
[1:41:54] But, um, when I'm riding my bike with my 8-year-old from
[1:41:59] the east side of Maine to come to Smith Elementary, we use
[1:42:03] that crossing and it is wildly ineffective.
[1:42:07] Um, I don't know if it's
[1:42:08] because the distance between the,
[1:42:10] the blinky lights is too far,
[1:42:13] but nobody sees that nobody stops.
[1:42:15] Um, I typically have to go like, into the intersection
[1:42:18] for somebody to like actually see
[1:42:20] that we're making the attempt, um, for us
[1:42:23] to then feel safe crossing.
[1:42:24] So that, I don't know if
[1:42:25] there's anything we can do about that.
[1:42:27] Um, and then just piggybacking on that,
[1:42:29] the bike lanes, same sort of concept.
[1:42:31] Like I don't feel safe at all in the
[1:42:33] bike lanes with my 8-year-old.
[1:42:35] Um, you know, she's a decent rider,
[1:42:36] she just learned last year, but like, it's just not,
[1:42:38] I dunno if it's wide enough, but like,
[1:42:40] maybe it's just further south on main there,
[1:42:42] but like, people are going pretty decently fast
[1:42:44] before they get into, you know, proper downtown.
[1:42:47] And, um, you know, again, I just,
[1:42:49] I'm not sure if there's anything we could do if the DDA can
[1:42:51] maybe take a peek if, or if that's even in their zone.
[1:42:53] But, um, you know, I,
[1:42:54] it's just not effective and I don't feel
[1:42:56] safe. So thank you guys.
[1:42:58] Thank you. So real quick, uh, just, um,
[1:43:02] with the bike lanes, the, uh, there is a redesign happening
[1:43:07] of the downtown with the DTP forward
[1:43:09] and, um, one of those redesigns
[1:43:12] that they're looking at is redesigning those bike
[1:43:15] lanes to be more protective.
[1:43:16] So probably, um, as it rolls out, they will change,
[1:43:21] but we're not going to do anything
[1:43:23] and then change them again.
[1:43:24] So it it's definitely on the radar. People.
[1:43:27] I, I know how you're feeling. Yeah.
[1:43:30] Julian Brooks, 2 5 6 Farmer.
[1:43:34] Um, somewhat related to, uh, the items up there
[1:43:38] is Allie maintenance looking for guidance
[1:43:42] because depending on what season it is,
[1:43:45] it's either a dust bowl, a swimming pool,
[1:43:47] or an ice skating ring.
[1:43:50] So when you look at kind of the conversations
[1:43:53] that are taking place here, liability,
[1:43:56] and again, depending on where the alley is,
[1:43:58] it's either frequent use, lot of traffic, lot
[1:44:01] of foot traffic, but again, who's, who's responsible for it?
[1:44:07] I can, oh,
[1:44:10] Chris. He disappeared
[1:44:11] at the right time. Well,
[1:44:12] I, I can actually answer some of question,
[1:44:30] Ah, alley maintenance.
[1:44:31] That is a topic that has come up, uh, many, many times.
[1:44:35] Um, God, I don't even know where to start
[1:44:38] because realistically they're not, well,
[1:44:43] I'm trying to think which ones do belong to the city.
[1:44:45] 'cause the reality is not most of 'em do.
[1:44:48] Um, they're shared responsibility of the property owners.
[1:44:52] Um, if there's a specific one you'd like us
[1:44:55] to take a look at, I mean, we have to go back
[1:44:57] and look at all the deeds and all that good stuff
[1:44:59] because some of them, and I'm not trying to just generalize
[1:45:03] or mischaracterize,
[1:45:05] but those that are called alleys, um,
[1:45:09] are not public alleys,
[1:45:10] but they're actually shared use
[1:45:12] between the residents in a specific area.
[1:45:15] So I'm not trying to dismiss or,
[1:45:17] or, um, just beat around the bush,
[1:45:19] but it's probably best if we like, identify which ones
[1:45:23] or which ones which you're talking about,
[1:45:24] and then we can look at them
[1:45:25] and kind of dive a little bit
[1:45:26] deeper on that. Yeah. Does that
[1:45:27] Make sense? So I'm, yes.
[1:45:28] And I'm selfishly kind
[1:45:30] of looking at my address specifically
[1:45:32] because we, we have one running right,
[1:45:35] right down the side of our house.
[1:45:39] I dunno. So farmer of my farm and start weather.
[1:45:43] So the, the, the issue as well is there's a number
[1:45:45] of rental properties that sit on the side of there.
[1:45:48] So there's probably a lot more traffic
[1:45:50] that goes up and down that.
[1:45:53] Um, and again, just looking for guidance who's, who's meant
[1:45:55] to maintain it, how does that cost get met?
[1:45:59] Did did you happen to grab one of the sheets
[1:46:02] with our contact info?
[1:46:04] I have your contact. Yeah. I
[1:46:05] Would say please, please reach out.
[1:46:06] I absolutely, yes.
[1:46:08] I, I'm just hesitant to answer on something I No, I know.
[1:46:11] Flat out, don't my, and I was expect an answer
[1:46:13] either, so Yeah. So,
[1:46:15] But absolutely please reach out.
[1:46:16] We we're happy to take a look.
[1:46:17] Thank you. Please. Thank you.
[1:46:25] Hi, I'm Barb Pelkey.
[1:46:26] I live at 5 6 3 North Harvey for 53 years,
[1:46:31] but I've lived in the Bloom community since 1964.
[1:46:35] And, um, I can relate to so many of these things.
[1:46:39] I don't know where to start now,
[1:46:40] but, uh, as far as the alleys go,
[1:46:43] the one was closed on my block.
[1:46:45] So I have the alley, it's all, all closed from Junction
[1:46:50] to farmer and we all got it on our side AM street.
[1:46:55] Didn't get any of it because we're different subdivisions.
[1:46:59] And it's been wonderful because now I have more property.
[1:47:01] But at the same time, I also have talking about the bigger
[1:47:05] houses, I have one that was sold next door to me
[1:47:10] and it will be a tear down in the June, in June
[1:47:12] or in the spring anyway.
[1:47:14] And, uh, one up the street, same block,
[1:47:18] same side of the street.
[1:47:20] And I was looking at it today
[1:47:22] and the peak on the house, now they've got the peak on it.
[1:47:26] It just towers over the house next door.
[1:47:29] And I know that's probably what's gonna happen to me.
[1:47:31] And then there'll be no sunshine coming from the south,
[1:47:35] but, um, that, that upsets me.
[1:47:38] Nothing I can do about it.
[1:47:39] But I would hope that you can
[1:47:41] slow down this tearing down it.
[1:47:45] It's just one of those things.
[1:47:47] Um, my other question is under community connectivity,
[1:47:53] um, research opportunities to partner
[1:47:55] with the Plymouth Community Council on Aging
[1:47:59] and other agencies, it says it's under,
[1:48:02] it's completed. What changed?
[1:48:05] Yeah. I would actually take issue with
[1:48:06] that being completed as well.
[1:48:07] Um, I would more fairly put that endured in progress. And
[1:48:10] That's, I think I talked to you at one.
[1:48:12] Yeah, I think we have talked a couple of times about that.
[1:48:14] So in the, the coming year,
[1:48:16] I think we're talking about this in February, we're hoping
[1:48:18] to do a senior needs assessment where we're partnering
[1:48:21] with Plymouth Township in the United Way,
[1:48:24] and also Don Sunan who, um, has decided
[1:48:26] to help support this as well.
[1:48:28] I've Heard that too. Yeah.
[1:48:29] And so we wanted to kind of get an idea of
[1:48:32] what this community wants for, for senior services.
[1:48:35] Right. I think there's a big difference
[1:48:37] between someone who's maybe in their sixties versus someone
[1:48:39] who's in their eighties in terms of the kinds of activities
[1:48:42] and support and stuff like that.
[1:48:43] Mm-hmm. I want the PCCA to be a part of the survey as well
[1:48:47] and to maybe even host some
[1:48:48] of those engagement sessions since it does have a very
[1:48:50] active membership and they've been doing senior services
[1:48:53] themselves for many years.
[1:48:55] So that to me is really a more in progress item.
[1:48:58] But that's the sort of next item on the horizon is
[1:49:01] to do the senior needs assessment to figure out where we are
[1:49:04] and then to, you know, go from there.
[1:49:06] So it's, it's, that's definitely to my mind,
[1:49:08] it does more belong accurately in the, in in progress.
[1:49:11] So, so we not completed, we're gonna check
[1:49:12] Into it would in February, say, correct.
[1:49:14] Yeah. Well that's, that's when the senior needs
[1:49:16] assessment's gonna start.
[1:49:17] But in terms of improving
[1:49:19] and enhancing our, our senior services,
[1:49:22] I think we'll be working on that for the rest of this year.
[1:49:24] And certainly for as long as I'm on the commission,
[1:49:26] that's gonna be something I'll be
[1:49:27] Prioritizing. I know. I, I've
[1:49:28] never really needed it at all. Mm-hmm.
[1:49:32] Um, I use the exercise classes
[1:49:33] 'cause it's got an excellent instructor.
[1:49:35] Yeah. But as far as the women
[1:49:38] that I see that go there, yeah.
[1:49:40] I mean they, they, the ones that work
[1:49:43] and do the parties and the gatherings and the bingo
[1:49:48] and all that other stuff that a lot of seniors like to do.
[1:49:50] Mm-hmm. Also, they take in, um,
[1:49:54] or I should date, it's donated to them, walkers,
[1:49:58] canes, that kind of thing.
[1:49:59] And they can give it to the seniors. Yeah.
[1:50:01] So that's one thing too that I, um, see and,
[1:50:06] and I just, I, I want to be a voice for some of the people
[1:50:09] that won't come and speak up about the Council on Aging.
[1:50:12] And I appreciate that too.
[1:50:13] That, that's been a, a big passion of mine
[1:50:15] and something that I've been advocating for. We
[1:50:17] Thought it was gonna close in September.
[1:50:18] I know, I know. So yeah. That, that's that. Definitely.
[1:50:21] 'cause other communities have beautiful.
[1:50:23] Yeah. And it, that is PCCA really has been sort of the,
[1:50:26] for all intents and purposes,
[1:50:27] senior center for both Plymouth.
[1:50:29] So Yeah. Yes. You, you have,
[1:50:30] you have my commitment Icontinue working on
[1:50:33] That. And when I moved into my house,
[1:50:34] yeah.
[1:50:35] We were the youngest family on this.
[1:50:37] Needless to say, Plymouth is aging 53. It is. How did that
[1:50:40] Change? It absolutely
[1:50:41] is. No, I'm the historian on the block,
[1:50:45] but, uh, that, that's one, that's one of my big things
[1:50:48] that I'm just trying to wanna help that group.
[1:50:51] Yeah, For sure. And uh, I also have parents in the
[1:50:56] cemetery Riverside Cemetery.
[1:50:58] That's, that's another source spot with me
[1:51:00] because twice the flowers were mowed over.
[1:51:05] And I know for a fact it was mowed over
[1:51:07] because I had one of the city workers go out there
[1:51:09] and he said, oh yeah, you were right
[1:51:11] because you could see the blade marks.
[1:51:13] And uh, I know it's contracted out.
[1:51:16] My husband worked for the city years ago
[1:51:19] in the DPW department.
[1:51:21] And uh, so I learned a lot about the city in general
[1:51:25] with him working there and things that,
[1:51:27] and the city took care of the lot, the cemetery,
[1:51:31] it was much more attractive than it's today.
[1:51:35] Uh, last year, not this year, but the year before.
[1:51:38] Uh, reefs across America, we do that in, in December.
[1:51:43] Thank God there was no snow, snow like this year,
[1:51:45] cold, snow, awful.
[1:51:47] Couldn't even see the headstones.
[1:51:48] But last year the leaves were this high,
[1:51:53] along all the roads, they'd never even come back before.
[1:51:57] December was usually like 14th
[1:51:59] or something middle of December
[1:52:01] to pick up those leaves or do something with them.
[1:52:05] So that's gotta be, I think something that needs
[1:52:07] to be looked into that cemetery.
[1:52:10] And let's,
[1:52:11] We do have a cemetery committee and um, Greta
[1:52:15] and Adam are over that committee
[1:52:17] and we've been working collaboratively to see what we can do
[1:52:21] to, um, move forward on some things.
[1:52:23] But a lot of it is cost prohibitive,
[1:52:25] but we're trying to work out a plan on that.
[1:52:27] And the architects are reviewing things
[1:52:30] that they've submitted already.
[1:52:31] So, and Brock will be taking over that cemetery committee.
[1:52:35] Oh, okay. And then the potholes,
[1:52:40] which of course it's December,
[1:52:41] but there's been potholes all summer too.
[1:52:44] I don't know, are we getting a street plan in the works
[1:52:48] or anything like that?
[1:52:51] Are you talking about potholes around the city
[1:52:55] or, yes, in the cemetery specifically, we driven
[1:52:56] Them down Ann Arbor Trail between, uh, main Street
[1:52:59] and the railroad track.
[1:53:02] So I'm gonna give you one, two part answer.
[1:53:05] So potholes are routine maintenance
[1:53:07] and we send out the cold patch truck periodically,
[1:53:10] especially more in the winter time, to patch. Oh.
[1:53:13] And I remember that potholes from my husband working for
[1:53:15] The city. But we also have,
[1:53:16] uh, infrastructure improvement plans
[1:53:18] where we do roads, whether it is a full rebuild,
[1:53:22] which requires the underground water, sewer, um, et cetera,
[1:53:26] or just some resurfacing.
[1:53:28] And the resurfacing projects are for those roads
[1:53:31] that are identified to have surface defects,
[1:53:33] potholes, cracks, et cetera.
[1:53:35] But the utilities, these underneath are good.
[1:53:37] And so each and every year we get the, uh, engineering team
[1:53:40] to look at, um, the way roads are rated.
[1:53:44] Um, there's, there's an engineering study
[1:53:46] that's done every three-ish years or so,
[1:53:49] and it looks at the surface area.
[1:53:50] We compare it against water reliability studies, all kinds
[1:53:53] of other data points, water main breaks, issues
[1:53:56] of sanitary sewer issues that residents fence report,
[1:53:59] we tv the sewers.
[1:54:00] And then ultimately make a recommendation
[1:54:02] to the commission on what projects we think we should do in
[1:54:06] that year, whether they are reconstructs and
[1:54:09] or resurfacing projects.
[1:54:11] Um, and that's the second part
[1:54:14] of some of the road maintenance.
[1:54:15] So we have like routine maintenance for potholes or,
[1:54:20] or cracks sealing
[1:54:21] or whatever that's ongoing throughout the year.
[1:54:24] And then road construction obviously in,
[1:54:26] in a little bit nicer weather.
[1:54:28] Um, and it's all based off of need of the roads, um,
[1:54:34] using a number of criteria.
[1:54:35] Well, there is a huge need for somebody to fill in, um,
[1:54:41] a where there's a sewer drain, uh, I mean a
[1:54:44] where manhole cover on stark weather
[1:54:47] Point Park. You've got the yoga
[1:54:50] I know the one I know. Yeah.
[1:54:51] Right in front of wet buffalo. It's
[1:54:52] way some summertime. I I know the one I saw it
[1:54:55] on my drive in.
[1:54:57] That's not the way I normally come in,
[1:54:58] but as soon as you said,
[1:55:00] I know exactly one you're talking about.
[1:55:01] I go up and down that street a lot in that area.
[1:55:05] And I mean, I live over on Harvey,
[1:55:07] but, um, at the same time I'm going over
[1:55:10] to the Council on Aging to do my exercise.
[1:55:12] So as it turns out, I go by there a lot.
[1:55:14] It's been that way since summertime.
[1:55:16] Yeah. Truthfully, I bet that one needs more
[1:55:18] of a manhole structure adjustment than just some cold patch.
[1:55:21] I think it's a, I think it's a little bit more
[1:55:22] than just a pothole,
[1:55:23] But do you think it's going to get done
[1:55:25] Well? I'm sorry, what?
[1:55:26] Do you think it's gonna get done?
[1:55:28] Oh, it absolutely
[1:55:29] will get done. It's just a matter of when.
[1:55:30] Yeah. Well it's been since summer
[1:55:32] And, and the only reason I say
[1:55:34] that is it's a little bit harder to do some
[1:55:36] of the maintenance in the middle of winter.
[1:55:37] Well, I know that, but that doesn't mean we won't address it
[1:55:41] with even a temporary measure
[1:55:42] to make the rideability a little better until such time
[1:55:45] that we can actually redo the
[1:55:47] manhole structure itself. Need
[1:55:49] The oncoming traffic because it's so wide of a square.
[1:55:52] Yep. That if my car just won't go over it, you know,
[1:55:55] with wheel here and a wheel here. Yep.
[1:55:57] So, yep. I I know the one you're talking about.
[1:55:59] I saw it this morning. Okay,
[1:56:01] Good.
[1:56:02] And we wrote that one down specifically.
[1:56:04] Okay.
[1:56:09] Hi, Alicia Allen.
[1:56:11] Um, oops, I don't need to, I'll walk around the rooms.
[1:56:16] Um, uh, six 50 Pacific.
[1:56:18] So, um, first I wanna thank all of you for doing this.
[1:56:21] I think it's the first time in my nine years as a resident
[1:56:24] that, um, we've had this kind of thing.
[1:56:26] Or maybe I just missed it 'cause I was busy with kids.
[1:56:29] Um, but this is great
[1:56:30] and thank you to everyone
[1:56:32] who took time out of their evening.
[1:56:34] Um, it's a ing to see the number of people that care
[1:56:38] and the community engagement.
[1:56:39] This is what makes Plymouth wonderful.
[1:56:42] And, um, I drive my husband
[1:56:44] nuts when we're downtown in the summertime, so I'm like,
[1:56:46] just love our little town.
[1:56:48] And, and I, I do. Um, so, um, I love the events.
[1:56:53] I love, I know we don't all agree on that,
[1:56:55] but, um, it's a very vibrant place where we were able
[1:56:57] to raise our kids for this nine years.
[1:57:00] Um, I wanted to just kind of do some follow ups on a couple
[1:57:04] of the things people have already brought up.
[1:57:06] Um, so on the, on the roads
[1:57:09] and the infrastructure improvement, um, is there a place
[1:57:13] that we can see kind of like what's prioritized
[1:57:17] and like for example, um, farmer is a wash
[1:57:22] for nine years ago when we moved here, nice
[1:57:26] asphalt could ride our bikes.
[1:57:28] I'm a little scared to ride my bike just
[1:57:30] because of some of the ruts on that road.
[1:57:33] So like, as an example.
[1:57:34] So we have a lot of roads that it may not be a big pothole,
[1:57:38] but it's time. Is that
[1:57:41] Okay? I didn't wanna interrupt.
[1:57:42] I
[1:57:42] I I was just waiting until you were done. I I just
[1:57:44] So kind of like was conscious interrupted, kind
[1:57:46] of like the broader infrastructure plan,
[1:57:48] um, for, for the city.
[1:57:50] Um, so what we like to do is not forecast
[1:57:54] or project too far out.
[1:57:57] What we like to do on a, a yearly basis is
[1:58:00] with the engineer, we try to bring forward
[1:58:02] to the commission, here's what we think about
[1:58:04] for this current year.
[1:58:06] And then in addition, we say, here are some other projects
[1:58:09] that we anticipate over the next two to three years.
[1:58:12] But what we don't want to do, um, no punt included,
[1:58:16] but we don't wanna like set it in stone and be locked in
[1:58:18] because there might be a, a deteriorating road
[1:58:22] that got worse in one year
[1:58:23] and then a different one shifts the next year.
[1:58:26] Or there might be an underground issue
[1:58:27] that sprung up, uh, over the winter.
[1:58:29] And that kind of shifts the way we do things.
[1:58:32] Um, but we do talk about those, um, with the engineer
[1:58:36] and show those to the commission on, on like a,
[1:58:40] a rough loosely projected two to three year, uh,
[1:58:43] advance window of what we're thinking for subsequent years.
[1:58:47] Okay. I will also tell you that we do have, um, it's,
[1:58:51] it's called the pacer study, uh,
[1:58:53] pavement asphalt, uh, surface.
[1:58:56] We do have those on the website.
[1:58:57] So you can see like what every row segment, it's done
[1:59:00] by blocks what the, uh, rating is for it.
[1:59:03] Okay. And it, and admitted it is a snapshot in time.
[1:59:07] Um, so it's, if it's done every roughly three years
[1:59:09] or so, if it was a couple years ago,
[1:59:12] the road may be in much worse condition today
[1:59:14] than it was even two years ago.
[1:59:15] And it's not necessarily gonna get reflected
[1:59:18] until the next time we do that.
[1:59:20] Um, but just to give you a rough idea, we look at
[1:59:22] those roads, um,
[1:59:24] that we can provide some preventative maintenance
[1:59:27] that may not be the worst of the worst
[1:59:28] and keep those in a better condition from
[1:59:31] asset management perspective.
[1:59:33] But once it road gets to a certain level than
[1:59:36] just surface treatments aren't gonna do it.
[1:59:38] And we have to do reconstruction.
[1:59:39] So it's, it's a bit of a balance act for us. Okay.
[1:59:42] But we, we do, we do, um, project out a couple years
[1:59:46] and share that, um,
[1:59:47] at commission meetings about what we're thinking.
[1:59:50] Okay. Uh, even if it's not quote unquote
[1:59:52] the plan set in stone.
[1:59:54] And is there, Oh, sorry, sorry, really quick, quick.
[1:59:56] And Chris, you said that that's on the, the website,
[1:59:58] that pacer study you were just talking about, so that,
[2:00:00] that's actually something I didn't know.
[2:00:01] It'd be a good representation to show people, like,
[2:00:03] here's some things that we're
[2:00:04] looking at in the near future. So
[2:00:06] Yeah, it probably saves you a
[2:00:07] million questions like my Definitely.
[2:00:09] Um, and then the weather could change. Yeah.
[2:00:13] I got a pothole. Well,
[2:00:14] we just got a new pothole on our street.
[2:00:16] You don't know about that until now.
[2:00:18] Um, um, and, and on that 'cause,
[2:00:22] and I don't wanna get down a rabbit hole,
[2:00:24] but is there information about how all of that's funded?
[2:00:27] Because some of the roads obviously are funded by the state
[2:00:30] and, you know, not the responsibility of the city.
[2:00:33] Um, is that information available there?
[2:00:35] Or I could maybe have
[2:00:37] A problem. Um, I'll,
[2:00:38] I'll tell you this.
[2:00:39] If you look at the city budget budget,
[2:00:40] there's quite a nice writeup of history of all the roads,
[2:00:44] bonds we did the, the budget actually
[2:00:45] has a really nice Okay.
[2:00:47] Um, history on the roads.
[2:00:48] Um, that's, I would say start there. And then Chris, you can
[2:00:51] Oh, thank, thank you. That's
[2:00:52] exactly where I was gonna direct you to is we,
[2:00:54] we do spend some, some time in,
[2:00:56] in multiple pages talking about some of the road funding.
[2:00:59] Obviously the gas and weight tax from the state pays
[2:01:02] for a good proportion of it.
[2:01:04] And admittedly that does not provide enough funding to redo
[2:01:07] or even necessarily maintain the roads, um, to the level
[2:01:10] that we are all comfortable with.
[2:01:13] And so then we look to the voters for, uh,
[2:01:16] road bonds periodically,
[2:01:18] and then we try to get into again, uh,
[2:01:21] like a three year projection of what we're gonna do.
[2:01:23] Um, and then not to get into like bond sales and all that,
[2:01:26] but if we sell bonds that are approved by the voters,
[2:01:29] we have to do the work within three years.
[2:01:31] So we try not to overextend ourselves. I see.
[2:01:33] Even on like a bond issue
[2:01:35] because we have to have the bandwidth
[2:01:37] and disrupt all kinds of neighborhoods.
[2:01:39] So you couldn't do like a bond like, Hey,
[2:01:41] we have a 10 year plan.
[2:01:43] You couldn't do a bond today for like a 10.
[2:01:46] You could do it for like the first three years
[2:01:48] or something. You couldn't do it
[2:01:49] For a long time. Then actually chop it
[2:01:50] so
[2:01:51] that we would sell smaller portions of bonds.
[2:01:54] I see. As opposed to trying to fund all 10 years
[2:01:57] and get all the work done in three.
[2:01:59] Okay. So we might sell like a quarter of the ask amount
[2:02:03] for the first three years and then do it that way.
[2:02:05] And that's, that's exactly what we're doing right now. Okay.
[2:02:08] Okay. Um, but yeah, start, start with, with the, the,
[2:02:10] the budget and by all means follow up with us, follow up
[2:02:15] with our finance team.
[2:02:16] Um, we actually enjoy talking about this kind of stuff.
[2:02:20] Um, so, so I like to think that's a nice jumping off point,
[2:02:25] but if, if you obviously still have questions, reach out
[2:02:27] to any of us and happy to talk about that. Okay.
[2:02:30] Thank you. And another, um, question I have that's a bit
[2:02:34] of a follow on communications,
[2:02:36] but a little more like public safety, um, in, in nature
[2:02:40] and that, that is how do we stay abreast of,
[2:02:45] you know, little things?
[2:02:46] So if, if there's a crime at a business downtown at 10,
[2:02:51] I'll use on in snow as an example.
[2:02:52] Like someone threw a brick brick through the windows
[2:02:56] and vandalized the business and I think maybe another one
[2:02:59] or two, um, those were posted by the, the businesses.
[2:03:04] Um, I didn't see anything necessarily coming from like
[2:03:07] public safety or anything.
[2:03:08] And there's other, like, I mean, I feel extremely fortunate
[2:03:11] to live in such a, a safe town
[2:03:14] where a broken window might be the worst of our problems,
[2:03:17] but, um, I know there were incidents
[2:03:20] of kids doing like a TikTok challenge
[2:03:22] and kicking people's doors in.
[2:03:25] Um, that's, that's a problem. Um, it's very dangerous.
[2:03:29] Um, there have been some, um, I think some
[2:03:34] incidents of, uh, some people going to doors
[2:03:38] and seeing if doors are unlocked while people were home.
[2:03:41] But I've only heard of those things
[2:03:44] because I happen to know the people they've happen
[2:03:46] to or their neighbors.
[2:03:48] And so, um, how, how do we kind of without,
[2:03:53] you know, being alarmist necessarily,
[2:03:55] but like how do we encourage residents
[2:03:58] and help one another be vigilant, um,
[2:04:00] and keeping an eye eye out for those things.
[2:04:03] And that's for anyone. I keep looking at you, Chris. Okay.
[2:04:05] Well let me, let me jump in on some of that.
[2:04:07] So, um, to not try
[2:04:10] to sound like a government official, it depends.
[2:04:13] So here's what I mean. So when we are in a middle
[2:04:16] of an active investigation, we don't comment
[2:04:18] until we need to comment.
[2:04:20] And sometimes we kind of know who the bad person is
[2:04:24] and we don't need to put it out publicly
[2:04:27] that we're looking for assistance.
[2:04:28] Okay. But that's us working the case.
[2:04:30] There are other times, um, not to name businesses
[2:04:33] that have asked us for assistance, um, obviously to,
[2:04:38] to solve the case, but, and then we go back to them
[2:04:40] and say, Hey, do you have video footage that we can put out
[2:04:43] because we don't have anything to go off of.
[2:04:47] And, uh, if you follow some of our socials,
[2:04:49] you would see those over the course of a year or so.
[2:04:52] Uh, us asking for the public's help, um, as far
[2:04:56] as communication, yeah, I, I I,
[2:04:58] and I think back to like, um, there was a, a bit
[2:05:02] of a flare up of people
[2:05:04] breaking into cars that were unlocked.
[2:05:07] And I remember getting with the chief and Hannah up front
[2:05:09] and we said, let's get this out right now.
[2:05:11] Um, so as we become aware of things that are, uh,
[2:05:15] I guess creating a pattern, those are
[2:05:18] what we like to put out.
[2:05:19] Um, once they're verified that, you know, our,
[2:05:22] our night officers, and I'm not trying
[2:05:23] to just say it happens at night,
[2:05:25] but that's where we get a lot
[2:05:27] of reports from the night officers that go here, here's
[2:05:29] what we're seeing, here's what the calls
[2:05:31] of service were for the night.
[2:05:33] Now let's follow up during the daytime
[2:05:34] and get that information out.
[2:05:36] And, um, we, we do try to use the socials on that
[2:05:39] because we're reaching a lot more people faster that way.
[2:05:42] Okay. And it, it, that's usually where I see things.
[2:05:46] I need to figure out how to get on the email.
[2:05:48] I think I've tried it a couple of times.
[2:05:50] I don't get the city emails other than the DDA one that,
[2:05:53] that I think was set up in October regarding the, um,
[2:05:57] updates that are being planned. Alright,
[2:06:00] I got a quick one on the email here.
[2:06:02] Here's something that, that has, um,
[2:06:04] been a misnomer for some people.
[2:06:06] So once you sign up, you actually get a confirmation email.
[2:06:10] If you don't confirm your
[2:06:12] subscription, you won't get the emails.
[2:06:14] Okay. And the reason for it, it's a protection
[2:06:17] so people don't spam your email to our system.
[2:06:20] And then you're just getting frivolous emails
[2:06:22] so you can sign up for all kinds of things,
[2:06:24] bid job openings, agendas,
[2:06:26] all meeting notices, all that good stuff.
[2:06:28] But unless you confirm your subscription,
[2:06:31] you won't actually get, the emails won't get it.
[2:06:32] Okay. So just that, that has, uh, come up a few times.
[2:06:35] And so just a good reminder for folks.
[2:06:37] Okay. Can
[2:06:40] You go ahead. Um,
[2:06:41] I want just jump in here
[2:06:43] and get a little feedback from everyone.
[2:06:45] And Chris, you and I talked about this, some of the things
[2:06:48] that, um, you mentioned is a communication thing
[2:06:50] and how do you find out things?
[2:06:52] Chris, when I think Brock
[2:06:54] and I were both, were surprised that the,
[2:06:56] the roads information is somewhere on the website
[2:06:58] and you know, I've been all over our website.
[2:07:00] Right. Um, I think I'd like to know what's the interest of,
[2:07:05] um, of us considering looking at
[2:07:09] how we can maybe improve our website.
[2:07:11] That's one of my pet peeves.
[2:07:12] I wanna just see if I'm off base.
[2:07:13] If it's only me, then it's not a priority.
[2:07:16] But from the community, I think, um,
[2:07:18] how do people think our website is
[2:07:20] and can we put better information up there
[2:07:22] or make it easier to find? Right?
[2:07:25] I feel like it takes a little bit of digging my,
[2:07:27] my myself.
[2:07:29] It could do some modernization.
[2:07:31] Um, I say that and I am not tech savvy enough to do that.
[2:07:35] But, um, you know, I I was thinking about
[2:07:38] as we were talking earlier about, you know, where some
[2:07:41] of the initiatives are on the five year plan and everything.
[2:07:44] Like people love dashboards
[2:07:46] and is there some dashboarding that, you know,
[2:07:49] are simple pictures?
[2:07:50] 'cause people, and myself included, um, digest some of
[2:07:55] that easier and it's like, oh, this looks interesting.
[2:07:57] Now let me get into the details a little bit.
[2:08:00] So that would be just one person's suggestion.
[2:08:04] Um, but, you know, happy to chat further with any
[2:08:06] of you on my experience.
[2:08:08] Thank you.
[2:08:11] The, the quick thing I was gonna add to that, um, so
[2:08:13] for emergency alert system stuff, so we also have Nixle
[2:08:17] that we rolled out over the past year.
[2:08:19] So if you're on that, that's also helpful.
[2:08:20] So road closures and, uh, storms and all this kind of stuff.
[2:08:23] So anybody that's not on that, it is really helpful.
[2:08:25] You get immediate text about
[2:08:26] things that are going on in the community.
[2:08:27] So,
[2:08:32] Okay. I think I've
[2:08:33] given just about everybody a chance.
[2:08:37] Um, I'm sorry if it's gonna be repeating some
[2:08:40] of the information from a couple of the commission meetings,
[2:08:43] but we have a lot more people that attend
[2:08:45] or haven't attended before.
[2:08:47] Um, my name's Jack Wilson. I live at 1157 Penman.
[2:08:50] Um, and, um, I have sent this, uh, um, one
[2:08:54] of my suggestions was that we need
[2:08:56] to have an open issues list, be more,
[2:08:59] have the city run more businesslike than, than maybe, uh,
[2:09:02] um, has been done in the past.
[2:09:04] And I've, I've sent that a couple
[2:09:05] of weeks ago to the commissioners.
[2:09:07] Um, I haven't gotten any feedback, but that's o that's okay.
[2:09:10] Um, um, I can send it again.
[2:09:13] It can be an attachment to this. Got more detail.
[2:09:16] I was limited to three minutes during those meetings.
[2:09:18] I had to come back again. Um, I'll be brief with the bullet.
[2:09:22] I'll try to be brief with the bullet points.
[2:09:24] The first is I think, um, I've commented a number
[2:09:28] of times about the inadequate tornado
[2:09:30] emergency warning system we have in the town.
[2:09:33] Um, we missed December, which was after the last meeting.
[2:09:35] I commented there was no siren. Uh, in January.
[2:09:38] There was a faint siren. It was a calm, beautiful day.
[2:09:41] If there's ever a storm, you'd never hear it.
[2:09:44] Um, the next item that I had on the list was, I,
[2:09:47] I think we should, uh, there should be
[2:09:48] more of an opportunity.
[2:09:49] And, and again, these are all
[2:09:51] opportunities for improvements.
[2:09:52] Okay. We, as many have stated, we live in a great town.
[2:09:55] Okay. These are opportunities for improvements.
[2:09:58] Um, work with public work safety
[2:10:00] to be more community focused.
[2:10:02] Uh, a couple of points on that.
[2:10:04] I walk my kids to Bird Elementary, which if you don't know,
[2:10:06] is across the street from, uh, uh, middle school,
[2:10:09] um, on Sheldon Road.
[2:10:11] I know it's in the township, but we cross Penman
[2:10:14] and Sheldon, I do it four times a day.
[2:10:17] We're near the hundredth day of school.
[2:10:19] I've crossed that intersection 400 times roughly.
[2:10:22] Uh, about a month ago I was at a commission meeting
[2:10:25] complaining that I've only seen police there three times.
[2:10:28] The police, the cars go around, the crossing guards,
[2:10:31] they run the red light.
[2:10:32] Um, almost if on cue
[2:10:34] after the last meeting, there's been at least three
[2:10:37] accidents that I know of at that intersection.
[2:10:39] Um, I I I, I just don't want us
[2:10:41] to be here talking about death of a child in particular
[2:10:45] because no action has been taken less than 1%
[2:10:48] of the time there's been a police officer
[2:10:50] at that intersection.
[2:10:52] Um, the other opportunity I think is, um, that, uh,
[2:10:56] we should have the police walking the neighborhood,
[2:10:59] walk a beat, know the people,
[2:11:01] not just on a Friday night concert.
[2:11:03] Get outta your cars, get
[2:11:05] to know the citizens when you have a, a, um,
[2:11:08] a millage come up like it did 10 years ago
[2:11:12] so it doesn't get voted down.
[2:11:14] Know the people that you're associated with.
[2:11:16] I understand we're having a couple of officers or maybe one
[2:11:19] or two that are retiring.
[2:11:21] I've been here 20 some years,
[2:11:22] I don't know their names, that's not right.
[2:11:24] Uh, the Wayne County Sheriff's Office walk
[2:11:27] down, walk their horses down.
[2:11:28] I know we don't have horse horses.
[2:11:30] They walked their horses down, uh, Penman Avenue, um,
[2:11:32] maybe two months ago.
[2:11:34] You wouldn't believe the PR that they got.
[2:11:36] That's what you get from getting to know the people walking.
[2:11:39] You may even find information about
[2:11:41] crimes or things like that as well.
[2:11:43] Um, and c, improving the city transparency.
[2:11:46] I I mentioned at the last meeting, um, again, um,
[2:11:50] the citizens voted to down a public safety increase.
[2:11:53] Uh, most of our budget is public safety, police and fire.
[2:11:56] At least the biggest chunk of it.
[2:11:59] Um, I understand, I've been told this,
[2:12:01] I don't know if it's true that when that got voted down,
[2:12:03] the DA picked up the tab
[2:12:05] for the additional officers, if that's true.
[2:12:09] I guess I'm wondering is that
[2:12:11] what the citizens intended when it was voted down?
[2:12:15] Something to think about if that's true.
[2:12:17] Um, I, I mentioned having a, an open issues document,
[2:12:21] which is what I, what I've sent and what I'm reading from.
[2:12:24] Um, I, I suggested we needed
[2:12:26] to have competitive bid process.
[2:12:28] We had a roof project that was a hundred thousand dollars.
[2:12:31] I dunno what the final cost was.
[2:12:33] The last meeting I was at, that's what it was gonna cost.
[2:12:35] We did not have any, any amount of money at
[2:12:37] that point in time that said, after $10,000
[2:12:40] or 20,000 like Farmington Hills
[2:12:42] or whatever, you have to competitively bid it.
[2:12:45] So I suggested that we need to do that.
[2:12:47] Um, I suggested that we have the charter updated.
[2:12:51] So when for whatever reason a commissioner resigns is unable
[2:12:55] to do their job or whatever it, the next person that takes
[2:12:59] that commission spot is not chosen
[2:13:01] by the mayor or the commission.
[2:13:03] It's somebody who put in the time to walk the neighborhoods
[2:13:06] to get out and get their votes.
[2:13:07] And maybe they finished in fifth, sixth,
[2:13:09] seventh or eighth place.
[2:13:11] That's the only fair thing to do. And Ms.
[2:13:13] Mayor, you have the chance
[2:13:14] to be different than the previous mayors
[2:13:16] who picked their own person rather than somebody
[2:13:19] that finished, um, in, in reelection out of the running.
[2:13:24] Um, the water fountains we have.
[2:13:26] So we have more water fountains that are broken
[2:13:29] than we do working water fountains.
[2:13:31] And yet I heard that we spent $200,000 on,
[2:13:34] I know I'm gonna mispronounce this bull yards
[2:13:36] through those big metal things to, you know,
[2:13:39] block the farmers Ballards $200,000 for that
[2:13:44] and somebody could just drive across Kellogg Park.
[2:13:47] You know, they aren't gonna go down the down the road.
[2:13:50] The trucks seem very adequate to do that instead.
[2:13:53] Um, we also spent, again, this is what I hear,
[2:13:56] I may be wrong, but this is what I've been told,
[2:13:58] $200,000 an intersection for those delayed walk signals
[2:14:02] that are ridiculous.
[2:14:03] Um, they, it's, it's, it's, it's silly.
[2:14:06] Um, if you get to that intersection,
[2:14:08] and I know there've been some changes, you get
[2:14:10] to the intersection after the light has changed,
[2:14:13] it's not gonna let you walk.
[2:14:15] Um, so there's another opportunity is don't spend the money
[2:14:19] on those unless you can get the software
[2:14:21] or whatever to work better than, than the way it is.
[2:14:26] Um, succession plan, it's great
[2:14:30] that the city has a succession plan,
[2:14:32] but we also, for key positions, we need
[2:14:34] to be just like businesses.
[2:14:36] You need to advertise
[2:14:38] and promote, um, at least getting other people in
[2:14:41] that may have fresh ideas.
[2:14:43] Um, it minimizes the opportunity of the not invented here.
[2:14:46] And this is no disrespect to anybody
[2:14:48] from the succession plan plan that was chosen
[2:14:50] to take over a leadership position.
[2:14:52] It's just common sense that you look for the best person,
[2:14:56] bring in fresh blood every now and then.
[2:14:58] Um, that's what businesses do.
[2:15:00] Um, I think that's pretty much it.
[2:15:06] Um, quiet zones.
[2:15:09] Yes, I was on the quiet zone committee,
[2:15:10] um, with the citizens.
[2:15:12] The city just did not wanna do it.
[2:15:14] They claim liability,
[2:15:15] but as was pointed out, Ferndale, they're all over Chicago.
[2:15:18] Uh, there's one in Livonia on Stark, on Stark,
[2:15:21] I think they call the roads called.
[2:15:23] Um, so I know that the, it's all village people.
[2:15:26] There's some, somebody that, uh, I think Karen, you,
[2:15:29] you forwarded a name to me that yeah,
[2:15:31] we've got fresh people up here, uh,
[2:15:33] new city managers, et cetera.
[2:15:35] Um, that, that, that was, that was dead on arrival.
[2:15:39] It was, it was basically just a, a farce
[2:15:42] that the city asked us to be involved.
[2:15:44] They didn't want it to begin with.
[2:15:45] So, um, maybe with the new commission it said that
[2:15:48] that is an opportunity for, for a, a, a change.
[2:15:52] Um, and then somebody mentioned recycling,
[2:15:54] styrofoam recycling I think would be right up there, there
[2:15:57] with, um, the composting and the batteries.
[2:16:00] Um, I think that's another, um, good opportunity.
[2:16:04] Um, that's it. Thank you.
[2:16:12] Thank you. I'll make this quick.
[2:16:14] Um, Jim Mulhern, 3 96 Arthur, um, Karen,
[2:16:19] thanks for the shout out.
[2:16:21] We're like all old people.
[2:16:23] All this great work we did in our past, right?
[2:16:25] You know, drudging up the past.
[2:16:26] But, um, I would just say to everybody here,
[2:16:29] 'cause you made me think about something, is that, um,
[2:16:33] we have a residential vision statement in the master plan.
[2:16:37] Imagine that. So it tells developers
[2:16:39] and it tells people who move into the
[2:16:41] city what our vision is.
[2:16:42] And so I'm gonna read, it's just three sentences.
[2:16:45] Homes in the city of Plymouth shall contribute
[2:16:47] to the character and desirability of the city.
[2:16:50] Homes shall maintain the walkable character
[2:16:53] of the neighborhoods with appropriate heights relative
[2:16:56] to the street and appropriate distance from sidewalks.
[2:16:59] They should be built size appropriate to their lots, to
[2:17:03] allowing adequate space and sunlight to neighboring homes.
[2:17:07] I lied four sentences. Last one.
[2:17:09] They should maximize green space and trees
[2:17:12] and minimize nonpermeable surfaces to allow
[2:17:16] for both the continued forestation of Plymouth
[2:17:19] and increase water infrastructure sustainability.
[2:17:23] We spent a lot of time on that. Makes a lot of sense, right?
[2:17:25] I think we, we have probably,
[2:17:26] we have common ground in this room that,
[2:17:28] that makes a lot of sense, right?
[2:17:29] So how we do that, I have full faith in the commission
[2:17:33] and I have full faith in the planning
[2:17:34] commission to get that done.
[2:17:35] We have a great planning commission right now.
[2:17:38] They, they did hard work last year
[2:17:40] and including the master plan,
[2:17:41] but other things, including the PUD, which was contentious,
[2:17:46] but they did the work and they fought about it
[2:17:48] and they weren't lockstep
[2:17:49] and they were a good diverse commission like we were, right?
[2:17:52] You know, we have good people in place.
[2:17:54] We have great planners in place.
[2:17:56] Uh, we should follow the, um,
[2:17:58] Michigan Institute of Planning too.
[2:18:00] Follow science, follow the experts real quickly.
[2:18:03] And I'm gonna finish. Um, so I ran
[2:18:07] for city commission and it was that close,
[2:18:11] but, um, you guys made great choices.
[2:18:14] Um, what I heard, uh,
[2:18:17] 'cause I walked every, every street, every street.
[2:18:20] Um, overwhelmingly, it was interesting
[2:18:22] 'cause I wasn't sure what I was gonna hear.
[2:18:23] What I heard was, and it's been mentioned tonight,
[2:18:26] streets, right?
[2:18:28] Paving of streets and safety of streets, right? Awesome.
[2:18:32] Um, so, um, that's out there.
[2:18:36] People are concerned with it,
[2:18:37] not just the people in this room,
[2:18:38] but your neighbors, um, crosswalks are so appreciated.
[2:18:42] Jan, you're in here somewhere.
[2:18:43] You've advocated long for, um,
[2:18:47] crosswalks in the hot main streets of old village, right?
[2:18:50] And you're right, it's really fast through there.
[2:18:52] Um, we love the crosswalks that have been put in
[2:18:55] and more of them.
[2:18:57] And then the last thing is, um,
[2:18:59] and I mentioned it in that residential vision
[2:19:01] statement was about trees.
[2:19:03] And, um, shout out to former commissioner Kelly O'Donnell,
[2:19:08] who is still out there in, in spirit trying
[2:19:10] to keep Plymouth leafy.
[2:19:11] I think we, I think we need to keep that, um,
[2:19:14] in our sights just about keeping us as forested, right?
[2:19:20] I I was walking the, the ducks today and,
[2:19:22] and it was another new build coming up
[2:19:23] and I'm sure it's gonna be beautiful,
[2:19:25] but I know that street tree's gonna get knocked down
[2:19:27] and there's not a tree on that site
[2:19:29] because, you know, the market forces, you know,
[2:19:33] is making them, you know, build a big home with no trees.
[2:19:36] So anyway, thanks for listening you guys.
[2:19:37] Best of luck and see you guys on the sidewalk.
[2:19:44] Hi, um, my name is Naasha Vita.
[2:19:46] I'm a resident six 70 South Evergreen Street.
[2:19:50] I'm also a business owner. Um, I own Vida Voyager.
[2:19:54] It's right on that, it's on Ann Arbor Trail, um,
[2:19:57] like across the street from Ironwood Grill, right next
[2:20:00] to the interior's place.
[2:20:01] And what was formerly, um, this, the,
[2:20:04] uh, edible arrangements.
[2:20:06] And one thing I wanted to bring up is,
[2:20:10] is there anything the city can do to, um, discourage
[2:20:14] landlords, um, from keeping, uh, businesses vacant?
[2:20:19] Because on either side of me right now, um, in this,
[2:20:22] well on the right hand side is the
[2:20:24] Mayflower Flower Building.
[2:20:26] And both units on the ground floor that are next
[2:20:30] to me are currently empty.
[2:20:33] And they've been empty for so long.
[2:20:34] And I know so many people wish that, um,
[2:20:38] something good could go into one of those places, like,
[2:20:41] especially like some kind of cafe or something like that.
[2:20:44] Um, and then on top of that, just to the left of me is
[2:20:48] what used to be a jewelry store.
[2:20:50] And that's been vacant for a really long time.
[2:20:53] Um, and it's just really created this void
[2:20:56] in the walkway from, from where I am.
[2:20:59] And without that walkway like encouraging people to come
[2:21:03] and visit other places,
[2:21:04] it just discourages people from coming to my store.
[2:21:06] And I, I really do feel like I sensed the difference in
[2:21:09] the last couple of years.
[2:21:11] Um, so I just wanted to see if
[2:21:13] that was on everyone's radar yet.
[2:21:15] And if there was anything that could be done, um,
[2:21:17] to incentivize landlords to, uh, keep businesses alive
[2:21:21] and in the town.
[2:21:23] 'cause that's what makes Plymouth so cool.
[2:21:25] I think I'll, I'll let other people speak to the,
[2:21:27] the main point of your question,
[2:21:28] but regarding that vacant jewelry store a lot,
[2:21:30] that was something that the pre previous commission that,
[2:21:33] that I was on, and Linda and Jen
[2:21:36] and Brock, I think actually you were there.
[2:21:37] So for that time too, we looked at that parcel
[2:21:40] because it was for sale
[2:21:42] and we thought, you know, maybe this might be an opportunity
[2:21:44] for like a pocket park, right?
[2:21:46] At least it's not a vacant building.
[2:21:48] It could have a little sort of green space,
[2:21:50] even though all be a small green space.
[2:21:53] And we kind of punted on that idea at the time
[2:21:56] because it was kind of cost prohibitive
[2:21:58] for us, unfortunately.
[2:21:59] But I guess since this is a sort
[2:22:01] of a more freeform environment, um,
[2:22:05] is there any kinda interest, maybe just raise your hand if
[2:22:07] that idea sounds interesting to you,
[2:22:09] that jewelry store's on Ann Arbor trail, um, and yeah.
[2:22:13] Okay, Sam. Okay. Gotcha. Thank you.
[2:22:17] It just kinda gives us an idea of maybe like
[2:22:21] what might happen in that space.
[2:22:23] Like I said, we punted on it due to the fact
[2:22:25] that it was expensive,
[2:22:27] but doesn't mean we can't maybe revisit it.
[2:22:30] So Yeah, show of hands. Anybody think
[2:22:33] Why aren't not just that space,
[2:22:36] but a lot of it, why aren't those attractive?
[2:22:39] Why are, yeah, why are those faces vacant in general?
[2:22:42] Uh, that's sort of a harder question to, to answer honestly,
[2:22:46] but yeah, I would, I would guess that it
[2:22:47] becomes prohibitive.
[2:22:48] Yeah. Right. Um, I had an interesting person say something
[2:22:52] to me just, um, today actually that, um, uh,
[2:22:57] you know, when we talk about affordable housing, some
[2:22:58] of the business downtown, I mean, I, I try
[2:23:00] to support our local businesses,
[2:23:02] but, um, they need people that are, that, you know,
[2:23:05] can afford to spend some real money, the pricing, you know,
[2:23:08] they have to command a nice profit on their, their products
[2:23:13] to be able to afford the rent and the taxes
[2:23:15] and the, and the thing.
[2:23:17] So it's, it's, it's a trade off, right?
[2:23:19] I mean, they flowers a beautiful building,
[2:23:21] but it's an expensive building to, to rent.
[2:23:23] Right. Um, so, um, you know, I,
[2:23:28] the dollars and cents and,
[2:23:30] and as far as buying Delta Diamond, I mean it was $850,000.
[2:23:34] Mm-hmm. That's, we have roads with potholes and,
[2:23:37] and parks that have boarded up place structures.
[2:23:40] And, you know, we have,
[2:23:43] and ideally I would love
[2:23:45] to have a little park park like in a
[2:23:47] couple parking spaces there.
[2:23:48] But is it really where we need to spend the money?
[2:23:51] And that's where I think we have to really be conscious of.
[2:23:53] There's a lot of great ideas,
[2:23:54] but at the end of the day, Chris only has so many resources.
[2:23:58] We only have so much money to spend.
[2:24:00] Um, you know, it's, I'd love to have, you know, you know,
[2:24:05] a swimming pool and,
[2:24:06] and a a three car garage building in my backyard.
[2:24:09] But, you know, I don't wanna, I can't afford to maintain it
[2:24:12] and, you know, pay the extra taxes
[2:24:14] that you guys would raise my taxes.
[2:24:16] No, just to
[2:24:17] Clarify, clarify, is the pocket park, um, is
[2:24:20] that just like a park, like one, like a little mini park.
[2:24:22] Okay. So I think that's a great idea in the sense
[2:24:24] that it brings people into town, gives them a place
[2:24:27] to hang out and then go out to eat and shop, right?
[2:24:30] So anything that's gonna bring people in
[2:24:33] and create that sort of walkable nature.
[2:24:35] Because otherwise, if, I think I'm kind of saying something
[2:24:39] that's obvious, but if we have these vacant buildings, um,
[2:24:43] that really takes away from
[2:24:45] what makes the downtown so attractive.
[2:24:48] Mm-hmm. And it's just gonna kind of snowball.
[2:24:51] Um, I'm just, again, turning back
[2:24:54] to like whoever owns the building.
[2:24:58] I think that in some places they're,
[2:25:00] in some towns they're not allowed
[2:25:02] to just keep their va their building vacant
[2:25:05] and just leave it that way.
[2:25:07] And I'm just wondering if
[2:25:08] that's something you guys could look into.
[2:25:10] 'cause I think that is a real thing.
[2:25:12] And like the Mayflower building again to all
[2:25:16] of those spaces have been empty for so long.
[2:25:19] And maybe the market is gonna push you to lower your rent
[2:25:23] because that's what the market can bear.
[2:25:25] I mean, that's what our system is, right?
[2:25:27] So holding your prices at a certain point so
[2:25:31] that no one can rent it.
[2:25:33] Like harms all of us.
[2:25:35] No, I agree. I would much rather have that approach
[2:25:39] of having some kind of ordinance if it's doable.
[2:25:41] I'm not sure if that's legally feasible. It'd
[2:25:43] Be, and some of them are, like for instance, Panera, John,
[2:25:48] Panera, John, if you're still here, are you
[2:25:50] There? John Zu? This was
[2:25:51] our economic development
[2:25:52] Director. John? No.
[2:25:53] Is he gone? Oh, okay.
[2:25:55] So some of the places that there are peek around the corner.
[2:26:00] No. Oh,
[2:26:02] He ran for the hills.
[2:26:05] See, I told you he'd come. Yay.
[2:26:10] You're welcome. Grab a microphone. Here you go.
[2:26:20] Yes. No, no. What?
[2:26:25] I didn't hear your thought as I was coming up
[2:26:27] That are empty or mm-hmm.
[2:26:30] You know, they're
[2:26:37] Okay. So
[2:26:37] We have, so like Pan, they're in this process.
[2:26:50] Businesses
[2:26:51] Well, so, uh, partly obviously
[2:26:56] the Mayflower building changed hands probably two years ago,
[2:27:00] two and a half years ago, two roughly.
[2:27:03] Um, and so at times, you know that
[2:27:07] there, there is a landlord, uh, potentially a landlord,
[2:27:12] you know, that is charging a rate.
[2:27:15] As I heard it, heard it said that, you know,
[2:27:17] maybe people can't
[2:27:19] or won't pay, uh, particularly for the Panera bread there,
[2:27:23] they have been working slowly,
[2:27:27] very slowly on a build out in that particular facility.
[2:27:31] And you know, for that, there's,
[2:27:34] there's some things you can do, but
[2:27:36] Your Your, your choices are limited.
[2:27:38] There are,
[2:27:40] You have separate factory versus,
[2:27:48] Uh, well that's an incentive.
[2:27:50] Well, it, it is, it is.
[2:27:53] And trust me, I like talking about tax law.
[2:27:56] But, um, so, and, and there is, there is case law and,
[2:28:00] and, um, uh, state law that,
[2:28:04] that regards things like that.
[2:28:06] And so it, you know, it's a little bit of a,
[2:28:09] a sticky wicket, a chicken or an egg thing.
[2:28:11] There are, uh, communities that do have some form
[2:28:16] of a, uh, vacancy ordinance
[2:28:19] or, uh, you know, certain requirements if your building is
[2:28:22] vacancy vacant to have, you know,
[2:28:25] certain things in the windows and, and things like that.
[2:28:29] Um, up until recently, you know, we,
[2:28:32] these couple big, uh,
[2:28:37] Uh, Within eye shot of almost everything in downtown
[2:28:41] have been vacant for a while.
[2:28:42] They have been being built out.
[2:28:45] Panera Bread in particular, uh,
[2:28:47] the jewelry store has been vacant for probably about a year.
[2:28:51] Uh, certainly a challenge.
[2:28:53] And we're happy to look into, you know, options.
[2:28:56] What, what we may be able to do to, uh,
[2:29:00] these proactively approach.
[2:29:12] I think what we'll take yours
[2:29:13] and then if there's anybody else I found.
[2:29:21] Oh, thanks. Hi. Hi, I'm Michelle Dillon.
[2:29:23] I live at 1328 West Ann Arbor Trail.
[2:29:26] And I guess you can call me a new timer to the city
[2:29:29] 'cause it's only been a year and a half.
[2:29:31] But I did wanna share my experience, uh, over the past year
[2:29:35] in attending some of the, uh, PUD meetings.
[2:29:39] Um, there were some situations
[2:29:41] where I felt like the decorum was not held by the committee
[2:29:46] with some passive aggressive comments to some of the, uh,
[2:29:51] the public comments.
[2:29:53] There was some bias. And, uh,
[2:29:56] I just wanna congratulate you on this forum.
[2:29:58] Maybe. I mean, nine years is a long time
[2:30:01] to get the community together,
[2:30:02] but I'm glad I'm, I'm part of this.
[2:30:05] So as you consider the next committee members,
[2:30:08] think about the behaviors that you've seen previously
[2:30:11] as you're bringing in new committee members.
[2:30:14] I think that's gonna be very important.
[2:30:16] Um, obviously zoning is important.
[2:30:19] I live on Ann Arbor Trail.
[2:30:20] I live across the street from the,
[2:30:22] to the two big beautiful homes.
[2:30:25] I actually like it 'cause it means more tax revenue for our,
[2:30:28] our city for them.
[2:30:31] I'm on a double lot. So hey, if I wanna sell it off and,
[2:30:35] and you know, bring somebody in big,
[2:30:36] then I guess I can zoning's important.
[2:30:40] So the other thing I wanted to mention too,
[2:30:42] as we're talking about, and I heard the lead pipes are an
[2:30:45] issue, there were lead pipes
[2:30:46] that were replaced in front of my home.
[2:30:49] So if you're thinking about fixing Ann Arbor portrayal,
[2:30:52] perhaps consider replacing those lead pipes
[2:30:54] as you fix Ann Arbor portrayal.
[2:30:57] That would make a lot of sense.
[2:31:00] And uh, you know, as I think about some of the other things,
[2:31:03] I do enjoy those two homes in front of me,
[2:31:05] but I definitely don't like looking at the latrine
[2:31:07] that's been in front of me since fall.
[2:31:10] I can deal with it because there are
[2:31:11] construction workers there as well.
[2:31:17] Sorry. But, um, bump. Okay.
[2:31:21] Well, you know, on some of the other things I just wanted
[2:31:24] to mention, I think it's important, um,
[2:31:26] that we don't make assumptions about who wants what in terms
[2:31:29] of, uh, wanting Plymouth Charming.
[2:31:31] I worked hard to get here.
[2:31:33] I worked really hard to get to downtown Plymouth.
[2:31:36] And I think it's, it is a charming place
[2:31:40] and I'd love for you to consider what charming really means.
[2:31:44] You know, what does density mean?
[2:31:46] And taking both sides, you know, I'm about, I am,
[2:31:49] I am somebody that loves this kind of conversation,
[2:31:52] but know that somebody new to this city
[2:31:56] also appreciates different types of, of communication.
[2:32:01] And I just wanna congratulate you again on this and,
[2:32:04] and I look forward to coming to more meetings.
[2:32:06] The other assumption, I wanna make sure that, you know,
[2:32:08] I travel a lot and I cannot come to every meeting.
[2:32:12] It does not mean I don't care.
[2:32:14] So if I can come to one
[2:32:15] or two in a year, I'm relying on this city
[2:32:18] and the groups that are together
[2:32:19] to have this great conversation.
[2:32:21] So thank you again
[2:32:23] and I'll see you when I can get here next time.
[2:32:31] Uh, David Pierce, 1 1 4 7 West Ann Arbor Trail.
[2:32:34] I just wanted to thank you for having this forum.
[2:32:37] I think during the PUD, uh, one of the concerns that I had
[2:32:42] and I heard other people express, was that
[2:32:46] that didn't seem like the citizens were being engaged
[2:32:49] with on, in a fair and even handed sort of way.
[2:32:53] And that deliberative processes were happening in ways
[2:32:57] that were not transparent to us.
[2:32:59] Um, and so I think that this is a really good start in terms
[2:33:04] of, you know, here we're setting, we're noting the issues
[2:33:08] that the citizens have, there's going to be some effort
[2:33:12] to prioritize these.
[2:33:14] It would be awesome if you explained
[2:33:16] how the priorities were set, uh, to us.
[2:33:19] That would be great. Um,
[2:33:21] and I think the, uh, so just, you know,
[2:33:26] find, it's not easy
[2:33:28] because if you don't listen to me, then I get annoyed
[2:33:31] because, uh, you know,
[2:33:32] like you made a decision that I didn't want.
[2:33:35] But that's how things work. Tough choices have to be made.
[2:33:38] I'm a big boy. But like the, uh, you know,
[2:33:41] it's nice when you explain why you made your choice, right?
[2:33:44] Um, and that would just, more of that would be awesome.
[2:33:48] More of it transparently would be awesome.
[2:33:51] Um, uh, yeah, thank you.
[2:33:53] Oh, trash, uh, more often than not it's delayed.
[2:33:57] And, uh, uh, I've spent like $400 on rat traps
[2:34:02] and remediation, uh, with the guy.
[2:34:04] So I, I don't, I don't like that they're not from me.
[2:34:07] So thank you.
[2:34:09] Thank you very much. Uh, just a quick, do you,
[2:34:12] do you have any comments or No, no.
[2:34:14] I'm, you're John,
[2:34:15] you were raising your hand like this. Oh, sorry.
[2:34:18] I had a quick thing on. So do I, on kind of both
[2:34:20] of the previous two comments, just really quick.
[2:34:22] Um, yeah, we have talked as a, a commission,
[2:34:24] especially at our team building session, uh, last week,
[2:34:28] a little bit about sort of the transparency
[2:34:29] and like explaining the thought process.
[2:34:31] So it's definitely something
[2:34:32] that one year goal setting when we are having the tough task
[2:34:36] of prioritizing things for us as a commission
[2:34:38] to explain why it's important to us
[2:34:39] and to like build
[2:34:41] consensus around it, like that kind of thing.
[2:34:42] So, um, definitely looking forward
[2:34:44] to more conversations about that
[2:34:45] and when we do eventually get to disagreements,
[2:34:48] which will happen almost all the time, so mm-hmm.
[2:34:50] Uh, you know, I think, um,
[2:34:52] being civil about it is, is important.
[2:34:54] So it's definitely something we've talked about
[2:34:56] though as a priority.
[2:34:57] And just to follow up, I think for us as a whole,
[2:35:00] as a group is one of the things
[2:35:01] that we wanna do is we wanna listen to you,
[2:35:03] but also it enables you to, to listen
[2:35:06] to us when we're at our commission meetings.
[2:35:08] 'cause those are times that we have to dialogue
[2:35:09] between ourselves up on the DAAs when
[2:35:12] we're making decisions.
[2:35:13] As a lot of people know
[2:35:15] that have sat on the different planning commissions or HEC
[2:35:18] or or A ZBA or what have you.
[2:35:21] And what we wanna do is we wanna set the tone.
[2:35:24] We live here, we are your neighbors.
[2:35:28] We want to represent everybody that we can,
[2:35:30] but we also are giving you respect and we want respect back
[2:35:34] and we want respect to all of you when you're speaking
[2:35:37] because that's what we need to do.
[2:35:38] We need to come together in positivity and not negativity.
[2:35:42] So we really appreciate all of the communication
[2:35:45] and keeping it on a forward fashion as opposed
[2:35:47] to that was passed.
[2:35:49] We have to move forward and go forward and,
[2:35:51] and make a difference for our city
[2:35:53] because all of us benefit for that. Go ahead John. Just,
[2:35:56] Sorry, I'm actually, oh, gonna,
[2:35:58] I'm sure one more thing I was gonna follow up, uh, David,
[2:36:01] about the, what happens with da.
[2:36:05] So we are going to hold a hour one year,
[2:36:09] um, task setting.
[2:36:11] Um, I don't think we have a date yet for that.
[2:36:13] We've been, we're working on that. Oh, okay.
[2:36:14] We're working on it. But, so it's, it's been hard.
[2:36:17] So what happens is that, um,
[2:36:19] we each have our list of priorities.
[2:36:22] Um, we have, um, a joint list now that we've made.
[2:36:26] Um, the administration, um,
[2:36:29] has been working hard on their lists of things that have
[2:36:32] to get done and things that they know are going to come.
[2:36:35] And so it is, uh, the seven of us from the commission
[2:36:39] and then the department heads from, um, the administration.
[2:36:43] And we have a meeting, it's a public meeting.
[2:36:46] Um, so you're welcome to attend.
[2:36:47] Um, but it's really for the commission to work
[2:36:50] with the administration, um,
[2:36:52] to work on those one year tasks.
[2:36:54] And a lot of it is just dialoguing to see, hey,
[2:36:57] I really care about, um, about compost.
[2:37:00] Do you think we have, um, the majority of us
[2:37:03] who care about this because it is up to the seven of us
[2:37:07] to set the policy of, um, uh, really
[2:37:12] of, uh, for the city.
[2:37:15] Um, and so we work with the administration
[2:37:19] 'cause they are the ones who do the, the work work,
[2:37:22] the daily work of getting it done.
[2:37:24] Um, and they can only do so much.
[2:37:27] And so it is collaborative.
[2:37:28] Um, it's a, generally it's a one day meeting, uh, you know,
[2:37:32] a few hour and then that list kind of, um, gets worked on.
[2:37:37] Um, and it will appear back at a city commission
[2:37:41] meeting after that point.
[2:37:42] So keep looking on the agenda. It is a public meeting.
[2:37:46] It will be posted.
[2:37:48] So, you know that the, the, the, our Jen made a comment
[2:37:52] that we each have our own individual,
[2:37:53] we're representing you.
[2:37:55] It's not like we're putting these tasks.
[2:37:56] So this is what's important to me and not to the citizens.
[2:37:59] We have to look at, see what's good for the city as well as
[2:38:02] what we've heard from you all today.
[2:38:04] And kind of look at those and
[2:38:05] prioritize 'em in dialogue with each other.
[2:38:10] Yes. Okay. Uh, John,
[2:38:11] and we're gonna have to then bring it to closure 'cause
[2:38:13] We're very quickly John Townsend 1312 Penman.
[2:38:17] I wanna add Greta, add a third to the trash delay.
[2:38:22] Uh, I'm an old man, so I don't go get the trash cans
[2:38:26] after dark and over 50% of the time they're down there
[2:38:30] until the next day.
[2:38:32] I've been able to, I be,
[2:38:34] my belief is this started when the city changed
[2:38:39] the collectors people to collect it.
[2:38:41] I've only had one instance
[2:38:43] where the trash can was actually there the next day,
[2:38:46] but the rats could've carried it away.
[2:38:47] Mine may or may not have been frozen to the ice.
[2:38:49] So I understand what you're saying, John. Okay.
[2:38:51] That's, that's all. Thank you.
[2:38:53] Thank you. Regarding those, those issues
[2:38:55] with trash delays, I would encourage people
[2:38:57] to use the reporting tool.
[2:38:59] The city has shared it on its social media pages.
[2:39:01] I think maybe given tonight's, uh,
[2:39:03] feedback, Hannah, you can maybe do that again.
[2:39:04] But there is actually a tool where you can report
[2:39:07] trash pickup delays.
[2:39:09] I've had these problems as well,
[2:39:10] but yeah, it would be good for our, uh,
[2:39:13] our company to be aware of that.
[2:39:15] And you can put all that information on that tool online.
[2:39:17] So look for that.
[2:39:20] Okay. Anyone else? We're good.
[2:39:23] Did you move up for a reason?
[2:39:26] Yeah, I was just gonna say that I,
[2:39:28] my point about explanations
[2:39:30] or, you know, describing the deliberative process, uh, to us
[2:39:34] is both at these like high level like, you know,
[2:39:37] strategic questions about the year plan
[2:39:40] and then also at the, like it's just down to the brass tax.
[2:39:42] Like we made this change of this piece of language.
[2:39:46] This is why we did it.
[2:39:48] This is why this word was put here, right?
[2:39:50] And so it's not just like it's at every level
[2:39:53] of abstraction that you guys work at. Thank you.
[2:39:56] Sure. Everybody understands that you, you want your,
[2:39:59] whatever your wishlist or,
[2:40:00] or something that you conveyed to us, you want us to listen
[2:40:02] to and make changes and we're listening.
[2:40:04] But maybe not all of it is possible may
[2:40:06] because of financial reasons.
[2:40:08] And so, um, we'll, we'll be very communicative as much
[2:40:12] as we can to make sure everybody can hear us.
[2:40:14] Thank you very much for coming out. We really loved it.
[2:40:17] And you wanna say something Chris? No.
[2:40:19] Oh, absolutely. While I was gonna thank
[2:40:21] You.
[2:40:25] So a couple things before everyone goes.
[2:40:27] Um, if everyone sticks around just a few more minutes,
[2:40:29] we can run through 'em really fast
[2:40:31] to make sure we didn't miss anything.
[2:40:33] Now this is not just the only bite of the apple,
[2:40:35] so if we miss something, please let us know.
[2:40:37] Um, but we tried to just kind
[2:40:39] of encompass very shorthand form-based codes
[2:40:42] and communication efforts and storm water.
[2:40:44] Not just that, but also the
[2:40:46] flooding, uh, housing and density.
[2:40:47] We've heard that a few times.
[2:40:49] Uh, food composting
[2:40:50] or food scrap composting, uh, the impact of the events.
[2:40:55] Uh, vacant commercial properties
[2:40:56] that came up multiple times.
[2:40:58] Parks including fairgrounds
[2:40:59] specifically, uh, improvement there.
[2:41:01] Uh, talking about the development process as a whole
[2:41:04] and explain what that is.
[2:41:05] Or maybe, uh, milestone markers that developers may
[2:41:08] or may not get to in the they process.
[2:41:11] Um, or kind of a timeline on where things are going
[2:41:14] or what different developments are at what stage, Uh,
[2:41:19] appointments and how those are done.
[2:41:20] Affordable housing, uh, home sizing, uh,
[2:41:23] lead pipe replacement.
[2:41:25] Um, that is certainly a part
[2:41:27] of the next year's infrastructure plan.
[2:41:29] We won't do it all in one year,
[2:41:31] but, um, we will be doing some of that each and every year.
[2:41:34] Um, moving forward until we're done.
[2:41:36] Uh, sidewalk snow removal, railroad quiet zones,
[2:41:39] things that came up a couple times.
[2:41:40] Uh, delayed trash pickup. Uh, we put pedestrian safety.
[2:41:44] The RRFB, that's the rectangular rapid flashing beacons.
[2:41:47] That's the push a button. It flashes cross. Uh, there.
[2:41:51] Uh, a little bit about bike lanes.
[2:41:53] Uh, questions on alley maintenance,
[2:41:55] uh, and responsibilities.
[2:41:56] Who that is for Senior services.
[2:41:59] Riverside Cemetery maintenance, uh, pop potholes,
[2:42:02] road ride quality, uh,
[2:42:05] public safety communication website navigation.
[2:42:08] Jack, I just encompass yours
[2:42:09] 'cause I have a copy of your list,
[2:42:11] but that the open issues list that, that's what I was trying
[2:42:14] to reference on that.
[2:42:15] Uh, trees and, uh, board rules.
[2:42:18] Now, um, just to let you guys
[2:42:19] behind the curtain a little bit,
[2:42:20] the commission did talk about that during some
[2:42:23] of the teams in building about behavioral rules.
[2:42:26] We have some communication rules in place,
[2:42:28] but even, uh, decorum rules, uh, that,
[2:42:30] that phrase was put out there before.
[2:42:32] Um, so that probably has already started in process,
[2:42:35] even if it's not an official one year task.
[2:42:37] Uh, 'cause the commission did
[2:42:38] say they were interested in that.
[2:42:40] That's what we got down.
[2:42:42] If there was something else we missed, please let us know.
[2:42:44] We'd like to try to capture that.
[2:42:46] Um, but I wanted to just go
[2:42:47] through it real quick while we had most people in the room
[2:42:49] and do our best to capture what was there.
[2:42:52] Um, thank you Chris. You're welcome.
[2:42:55] You have to officially close the meeting though,
[2:42:56] so if you would get a motion to do that.
[2:42:58] May we have a motion to close the meeting, please?
[2:43:00] Some move. Support. The meeting is adjourned.
[2:43:04] Thank you very much everyone. Have a nice night.