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- Bonjour tout le monde.

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Everybody. It's not having glass

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we don't have the partitions

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which are normally

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- Je vais commencer avec le

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changement du nom de la rue

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Columbus. En novembre dernier,

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nous avons eu une demande de

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modifier le nom de la rue

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Columbus à Pointe-Claire, nous

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nous sommes engagés à vérifier

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dans les archives pour savoir si

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le nom de la rue était à la

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mémoire de Christophe-Colomb, et

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maintenant, nous savons que

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c'est bien le cas. Néanmoins,

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les rues nommées en la mémoire

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de Christophe Colomb sont

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présentes à Montréal, à Québec,

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à Ottawa, à Toronto et ailleurs

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au Canada et aux États-Unis. À

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Montréal c'est une rue de 8. 5

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kilomètres qui traverse quatre

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arrondissements. Cette rue à

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Pointe-Claire est petite et

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compte deux adresses, nous

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pouvons penser que les

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conséquences d'un changement de

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noms seraient beaucoup moins

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importantes pour Pointe-Claire

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que pour la Ville de Montréal.

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Souvent ce sont les citoyens qui

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habitent la rue visée par les

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changements et surtout les

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entreprises qui s'objectent à

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des changements de noms de rue,

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compte tenu des désagréments et

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des coûts que cela représentent

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pour eux. Je crois qu'avant de

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décider de ce changement pour

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Pointe-Claire et de prendre une

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décision en séance du conseil,

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nous devons considérer l'impact

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que cela pourrait produire aux

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autres villes du Québec, car

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vous comprendrez que compte tenu

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de la sensibilité du sujet,

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notre décision présente un très

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grand potentiel de répercussion

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chez nos voisins et ailleurs et

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nous devons décider si nous

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voulons être un chef de file à

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cet effet. À mon avis, c'est un

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sujet qui demande une plus

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grande analyse et qui sort du

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simple cadre de notre

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municipalité, je vais donc

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apporter ce point pour

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discussion aux membres du

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conseil et la directrice

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générale et je vous tiendrai au

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courant des prochaines étapes.

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Three name in Columbus Street --

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last November we have a request

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to change the name of Columbus

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Avenue in Pointe-Claire. We

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committed to checking the

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archives to find out whether the

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name of this Avenue is a name of

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Christopher Columbus and we now

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know that it was indeed the case

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nevertheless, streets named in

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name memory of Christopher

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Columbus are found Montréal

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Québec, Ottawa, Toronto and

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elsewhere in Canada and the

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United States. In Montréal, it

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is an eight have kilometer

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avenue that runs through four

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boroughs. This avenue in

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Pointe-Claire is short and has

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two addresses. We can -- the

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consequences of a name change

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would be less less important for

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Pointe-Claire than for the City

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of Montréal. I or we believe

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that before deciding on this

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change for Pointe-Claire making

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a decision at the council

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meeting we must consider the

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impact this could have on other

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cities in Québec. It is a

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analysis and goes beyond a

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simple framework of our

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municipality. So I will bring

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this point up for discussion

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with Council and the general

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manager will keep you informed

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on our next steps.

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Le mois de l'histoire des noirs

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nous permet de reconnaître et de

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promouvoir la contribution des

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communautés noires à l'histoire

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du Québec, à son développement

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participent aux activités et aux

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festivités du Mois de l'histoire

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des Noirs qui honorent

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l'héritage des personnes noires

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au Canada et de leurs

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communautés. excuse. En 2021

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c'est plus de 1, 5 millions de

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personnes au Canada qui ont

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Pointe-Claire, nous soulignons

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ce mois grâce à l'engagement du

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service des loisirs et de la

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culture qui ajoute des activités

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pour nous permettre de découvrir

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cette belle communauté, tant par

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la lecture, la cuisine et les

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récits. Je vous invite à

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consulter notre programmation à

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cet effet sur nos réseaux

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sociaux.

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Black History Month. Each year,

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the month of your allies is to

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recognize and promote the

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contribution of Quebecers from

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black in the 80s to the history

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of Québec, through its economic,

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social and cultural development.

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People across Canada

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participated black history month

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activities and festivities that

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honour the heritage of black

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people in Canada and their

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communities. In 2021 more than

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1.5 million people in Canada

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declare themselves to be black.

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celebrating this month thanks to

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the commitment of the leisure

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and culture department which is

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adding activities to allow us to

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community through reading

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consult our storytelling on our

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website and social networks.

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Plan urbanisme Nous amorçons

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citoyens les démarches de

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d'urbanisme. Vu l'ampleur du

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projet, celui-ci se fera par

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consiste en un exercice de

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consultation, en ligne, sur les

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éléments de la vision de

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développement, nous vous

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c'est Nous, pour participer et

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donner votre opinion sur les

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éléments qui vous apparaissent

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comme étant les trois priorités

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de la vision.

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citoyenne, le 15 marche

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communiquées plus tard cette

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le cadre bâti comprend des lieux

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consultation on the elements of

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the vision of development. We

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Pointe-Claire it's who we are

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platform to participate and give

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that you feel are the top two

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priorities of this vision. Top

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built environment. In order to

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for community in the built

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more than just affordability and

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other things. It is how it

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creates interaction amongst

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people. My favourite example is

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Falcone Ville, which some of you

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may be familiar with, it's a

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famous play about the plateau,

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and how people lived in a very

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convivial range mint and it led

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to a legendary form of living,

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which made it a play which is

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quite famous in Québec --

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because we have to think of how

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it will influence how people

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Décès de Gregory Bielby C'est

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avec une profonde tristesse que

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nous avons appris le décès

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soudain de Greg Bielby, décédé

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le 16 janvier 2023. Résident de

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Dorval, M Bielby était un membre

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bénévolat au Centre aquatique de

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cours des années suivantes, il a

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spécialité pendant de nombreuses

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comme opérateur électronique

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Pointe-Claire a accueilli les

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ces 3 championnats de haut

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niveau,. Le « Meet Manager » est

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le directeur de la compétition.

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Il a des tâches avant, pendant

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et après la rencontre.

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Suite à la période COVID, le

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Championnat de l'Est canadien a

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eu lieu à Pointe-Claire en avril

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2022 et encore une fois, M.

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Bielby était le directeur de la

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compétition. Il aimait

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travailler avec les officiels de

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natation, et passait beaucoup de

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temps à faire du bénévolat lors

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des compétitions à l'extérieur,

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comme à la piscine olympique, au

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parc Jean Drapeau et dans les

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piscines locales autour de

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Montréal. Il aimait aussi

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enseigner, et était

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l'instructeur de plusieurs cours

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pour officiels, donnés au Centre

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aquatique de Pointe-Claire. Il a

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également siégé au conseil

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d'administration du Club

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aquatique depuis sa création, et

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a occupé le poste de trésorier.

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Beaucoup de gens se souviendront

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de lui pour sa gentillesse et sa

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générosité. Nous saluons son

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fils Chris, qui est entraîneur

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sénior du Club aquatique dans le

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cadre des programmes

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sport-études, ainsi que le

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programme national de

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développement. Nous offrons nos

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plus sincères condoléances à son

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épouse Karen Walker; ses fils,

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Christopher et Steven, sa

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famille et ses amis. It is with

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profound sadness that we learn

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about the sudden loss of Gregory

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Bielby. He passed away on

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January 16th, 2023. A resident

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of Dorval, Mr. Bielby she's a

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prominent member of the

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Pointe-Claire community,

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entering at the Pointe-Claire

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aquatic center and Al Peace for

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25 years. At the Pointe-Claire

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aquatic center he started in

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1996 as a timer and over the

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next three years he learned

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other positions. A specialty for

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many years was working at the

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electronics operator for home

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and away meets. When

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Pointe-Claire host of the

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Canadian summer nationals in

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2011 2013 and 2015, Mr. Bielby

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was the meet manager for these

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important -- after the COVID

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shut down, the Canadian eastern

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championship was held at

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Pointe-Claire in April of 2022,

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and once again he was the meet

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manager. He enjoyed working with

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swim officials and spent a lot

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of time volunteering -- away

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competitions at the Olympic pool

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Jean-Drapeau, and local poles

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around Montréal. He also enjoys

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teaching and was the instructor

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from any of the courses for

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officials held at the

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Pointe-Claire aquatic center. He

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also served on the board of

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directors for the aquatic club

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ever since it was established

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and held a position of

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treasurer. Many will remember

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him fondly for his kindness and

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selflessness. We salute his son

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Chris, who is a senior coach for

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the aquatic club, for the sport

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study program, as well as the

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national development program. We

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offer our deepest sympathies to

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his wife, Karen Walker, and his

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sons Christopher and Stephen,

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and to his family and friends.

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4. Début de la période de je m'

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>> Mr. Thomas --

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Excuse, oui, je m'excuse.

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Go back to the agenda. But

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first, I will have a

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modification to bring item 16.4

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in the English version. We

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should read in the agreement to

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be entered into with his majesty

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and not her majesty. I am sorry.

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The French version is okay. And

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before going further, Mr. Mayor,

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I would like to mention that if

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some views would like to express

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views on the bylaw adopted --

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they can do so during the

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consultation provided for in 5.3

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instead of the question period.

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- Avant d'aller plus loin, je

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souhaite mentionner que si

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certains citoyens veulent se

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faire entendre par le conseil

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concernant le règlement adopté

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au point 5.4 ils peuvent le

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faire à la consultation prévue

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au point 5.3 au lieu de se

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présenter à la période de

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questions, merci.

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>> And at

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18.2, it is also -- not --

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>> Force I forgot about this

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one.

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>> Ahead of it is a very good

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friend of mine. So we better get

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it right. Thank you. The agenda?

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- Je pense?

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>> --

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Approval of the agenda.

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>> Do I have a mover?

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>> -- district too.

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>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

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district three.

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>> All in favour? Okay.

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3. 1 Approuver les

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procès-verbaux de la séance

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ordinaire du 17 janvier 2023 et

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des séances extraordinaires du

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19 janvier 2023 et du 30 janvier

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2023.

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>> Do I have a mover?

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>> -- district, two.

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>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

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district three.

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- Maintenant... oui... je

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m'excuse!

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>> All in favour?

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>> All in favour.

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4.

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>> -- Période de questions all.

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Against? Nobody is against. I'm

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eager -- to eager, perhaps.

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Ce soir, à la période des

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questions, vous avez été

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accueilli à l'entrée pour vous

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inscrire à la période de

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questions. L'intention de cette

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démarche est d'abord de

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permettre aux personnes de

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demeurer assises jusqu'à l'appel

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de leur nom, et d'accorder la

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priorité aux résidentes et

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résidents de Pointe-Claire. Les

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non-résidents présents pourront

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poser leurs questions par la

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suite; si le temps n'est pas

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écoulé. Tonight, during question

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period, you are greeted -- the

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question period. The goal of

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this approach is to allow people

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to remain seated until their

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name is called and give clear

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priority to Pointe-Claire

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residents. -- if they are still

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is time. Also an additional note

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-- if you have a question, you

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can -- is it Lucy? I think it's

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Lucy. Or who do we signal during

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the exchange to get themselves

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back on the list -- will take it

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down? Okay.

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- Ça va durer 90 minutes. We are

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going to go

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19 minutes. And I guess that's

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about it. You can proceed with

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question period. All right? Oh,

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yes. Sorry. First name? Season

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Weaver. Susan Weaver.

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>> Okay. Preamble and one

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question -- preamble is three

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minutes. I was unable to attend

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January 30th special meeting.

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So, I would like to have my

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support for the decision

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councillors took regarding the

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resolution. It is the best

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possible approach in hopes to

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begin a dialogue with the

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property owner. If the Council

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was to keep pushing the date

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forward, perhaps for years, we

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will not have any say at all.

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All could be decided by Québec

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and the CMM. We would be left

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out. If I remember correctly,

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the description of Pointe-Claire

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as a satellite city with a

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downtown was first announced

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during a council meeting under

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mayor McMurchie in 2011. Later

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to the next year, followed the

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urban year plan, Todd's and

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updates. Some say it has been in

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the work at least -- in 2010.

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So, I cannot say. I would like

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to know the timeline and the

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stages of the project. Will it

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be ten, 15 or 20 years? The

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forest should be preserved, as

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should all green spaces on the

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island. In October 2020, see if

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put out and over the top photo,

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giving birth to Fairview forest

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group. Both raised awareness to

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this green space. The group

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still drives to the weekly

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protest. The heart of the force

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is spectacular. But with the

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fragmented teas spreading in the

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northwest corner, and most

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likely other invasive plants, it

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should be maintained. It was a

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missed opportunity on the part

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of the Fairview forest group not

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to speak about the forest with

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Mr. Salpeter when he reached out

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to a group member at a -- in

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March 2022. I do not take sides.

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But I asked for honesty. So, to

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set the record straight, twice

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it has been stated that C F did

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not want to speak to the group.

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Once, in a Gazette report, July

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2022, a group member was quoted

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as saying, not a peep from C F.

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And again at the January 30th

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meeting when a concerned woman

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from district six said that CF

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did not contact anyone, March

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2022, Mr. Salpeter gave out his

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business card to contact him.

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There was no response until we

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CF wanted to install a fence a

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month later. Too late. I

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imagine, with good reason, after

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listening to months of

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bad-mouthing from some people --

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also, in regard to the last

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meeting, the same woman

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questioned the councillors if

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they had contact with CF -- why?

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In a Gazette article, January

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29th, Mr. Fletcher is quoted as

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saying, one is left to wonder,

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what possible interest could

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prompt the councillors? And that

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was uncalled for. These two

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statements, in my opinion

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implied that the councillors

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were not honourable. No. The six

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dissident councillors are not on

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the take. Many are our

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neighbours. As for being a

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dissident councillor I, was

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surprised by a description made

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on January 19th, that dissidents

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are opposing their authoritarian

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00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000
figures everywhere. Now my

555
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000
question is, for public

556
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000
participation, or consultation,

557
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000
will you try to get other

558
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000
citizens from the community

559
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000
rather than we who attend

560
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,000
council meetings always? You

561
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,000
know our opinions. We need new

562
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000
ideas.

563
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000
>> Yeah. It's a good point. Yes,

564
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000
the answer is, to that.

565
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,000
Absolutely. There should be

566
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,000
every effort to get across

567
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000
section of the community as best

568
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,000
we can and not just those who

569
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,000
are in the zone, as we say. As

570
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,000
for the -- I don't think there

571
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000
was an implication that someone

572
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,000
was on the take. I cannot speak

573
00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,060
for the people. But there is

574
00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:01,060
also associations or

575
00:21:01,060 --> 00:21:02,060
relationships or friendships

576
00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:04,060
that have been established that

577
00:21:04,060 --> 00:21:07,060
could possibly assist influence

578
00:21:07,060 --> 00:21:08,060
people's decision-making. I

579
00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:09,060
suspect that is what Mr.

580
00:21:09,060 --> 00:21:11,060
Fletcher was alluding to and not

581
00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:12,060
to being on the take. But I will

582
00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:14,060
let him speak for himself. I

583
00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:15,060
just wanted to put that

584
00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:18,060
possibility out there. So,

585
00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:23,060
secondly, yeah, Mr.

586
00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:28,060
--

587
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:30,060
>> Good day, Council, and

588
00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:31,060
attendees. I prepared a

589
00:21:31,060 --> 00:21:33,060
preamble. But it was really to

590
00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:35,060
prove that Columbus Street was

591
00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:39,060
named after Columbus and the

592
00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:41,060
street voyager in Columbus was a

593
00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:42,060
named at the exact same time and

594
00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:44,060
the exact same date. That proves

595
00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:46,060
it. Didn't really have to go

596
00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:48,060
into archives to see that --

597
00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:52,060
upon your explanation to be sad.

598
00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:54,060
Because the city is putting the

599
00:21:54,060 --> 00:21:55,060
responsibility -- it's more

600
00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:57,060
responsibility to be a leader of

601
00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:59,060
change on other cities that are

602
00:21:59,060 --> 00:22:02,020
not related to this subject. I'm

603
00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:04,020
a resident of Pointe-Claire. Not

604
00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:09,020
Ottawa or Québec city -- and you

605
00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:11,020
offered no cogent argument

606
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:13,020
disproving any of the crimes

607
00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:15,020
associated with Christopher

608
00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:18,020
Columbus. These crimes are part

609
00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:20,020
of Yale University's genocide

610
00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:21,020
studies. I don't think the city

611
00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:23,020
would respond to this if we had

612
00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:25,020
a street called at all for

613
00:22:25,020 --> 00:22:28,020
something like mail or stolen.

614
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:29,020
Historically, Columbus is put in

615
00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:32,020
the same category as these

616
00:22:32,020 --> 00:22:34,020
people. You mentioned Black

617
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:37,020
History Month in the same breath

618
00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:39,020
you honour Black History Month,

619
00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:41,020
I do too, but at the same time,

620
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:43,020
you protect the legacy of a

621
00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:44,020
slave owner, which is

622
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:47,020
Christopher Columbus.

623
00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:51,020
I mean, that's basically it. I

624
00:22:51,020 --> 00:22:54,020
don't know if protest is needed.

625
00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:56,020
This whole obfuscation -- this

626
00:22:56,020 --> 00:23:01,080
puts shame on the City. That's

627
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,080
basically it.

628
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,080
>> Okay.

629
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,080
>> It's pretty sad.

630
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080
>> I hear you are coming from.

631
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,080
We don't disagree. The issue for

632
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,080
a lot of us is, are we capable

633
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,080
of resolving this issue? And are

634
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,080
we the ones that should best

635
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,080
raise all of it? We will venture

636
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,080
into the issue as a Council with

637
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,080
a lot of research and thoughts

638
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,080
before we make such a decision,

639
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,080
because it is a four bearer for

640
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,080
all other cities and other

641
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,080
streets named Columbus. And we

642
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,080
feel that we are ordinary

643
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,080
citizens who are somewhat

644
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,080
knowledgeable and municipal

645
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,080
affairs. But this is a pretty

646
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,080
serious issue. And it's one

647
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,080
that, morally and

648
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,080
intellectually, we would not

649
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,080
mind getting a little more

650
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,080
opinion from others about as to

651
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,080
how to proceed and --

652
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,080
>> A leading human rights group

653
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,080
has said that this street needs

654
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,080
to be changed.

655
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,080
>> Okay. The name of the group?

656
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,080
>> Red coalition.

657
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,080
>> Red coalition. Okay, we can

658
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,080
reach out.

659
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,040
>> -- global News segment cover

660
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,040
this and they asked the city two

661
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,040
days ago about this and three

662
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,040
days ago about this issue. The

663
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,040
city's official response was

664
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,040
that the City Street was not

665
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,040
named after Columbus, and that

666
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,040
--

667
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,040
>> I'm sorry to hear that.

668
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,040
>> Mr. Brent Cowan, he gave his

669
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040
response from this building. So,

670
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,040
I would think it represents the

671
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,040
city. And global news says that

672
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,040
they mentioned the city is

673
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,040
giving that response.

674
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,040
>> Mr. Mayor?

675
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,040
>> I never said. That

676
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,040
>> I said I --

677
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,040
>> That's what I said --

678
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,040
>> I didn't know for a fact -- I

679
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,040
said, the first thing to do was

680
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:45,040
to check it out.

681
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,040
>> Okay.

682
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,040
>> Will, the Québec registry of

683
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,040
street signs to upon me

684
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,040
-- is someone who explores by

685
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000
boat and encyclopedic

686
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
puritanical, Columbus is the

687
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000
first example. I mean, how do

688
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000
you argue that. The City of

689
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Montréal, I mean, has nothing to

690
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
do with the city of

691
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,000
Pointe-Claire changing its

692
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,000
street sign. I don't live in

693
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:22,000
Montréal. And if they change the

694
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000
street sign, will the city of

695
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000
Pointe-Claire change theirs? I

696
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000
made that request as well.

697
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000
>> Who knows? We can possibly

698
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,000
have a referendum on. It we

699
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
could do all kinds of things to

700
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,000
resolve the issue. We don't feel

701
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000
that we are morally endowed with

702
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
that power. It's a pretty

703
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000
serious power. And we would like

704
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
to be fully informed on that

705
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
decision. Because it has

706
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,000
implications for other

707
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000
municipalities as well as all

708
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,000
kinds of -- residents. There's a

709
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000
gazillion residents that live in

710
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000
Christophe Colomb on Montréal.

711
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000
-- that should not supersede

712
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,060
anything. But we would like to

713
00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:02,060
hear more about the issue and

714
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,060
reflect on it more. That is all.

715
00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:05,060
We just simply more need more

716
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:07,060
time to understand. Okay?

717
00:26:07,060 --> 00:26:08,060
>> Thank you.

718
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:11,060
>> May I comment?

719
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:12,060
>> Absolutely.

720
00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:14,060
>> Just going back -- especially

721
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:15,060
from Black History Month, it's a

722
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:17,060
slippery slope that we are on.

723
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:18,060
Just in Northview a number

724
00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:20,060
seven, we have Walton Street and

725
00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:22,060
Livingston Street, which are

726
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:24,060
named after, presumably, from

727
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:27,060
research, to slaveowners. We

728
00:26:27,060 --> 00:26:31,060
have winter of avenue, came to

729
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:32,060
after John wind threw up --

730
00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:34,060
there's a lot out there that

731
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:36,060
needs to be digested and gone

732
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:39,060
through to come to a proper

733
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:40,060
conclusion. So, to this point,

734
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:42,060
it's a big ball to unravel. I

735
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:43,060
think it needs a bit of time and

736
00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:45,060
a bit of thought process. That

737
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:46,060
is just north of you number

738
00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:48,060
seven with the quick research

739
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:50,060
that --

740
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:52,060
>> Can I just add?

741
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:57,060
>> Mr. Quella -- I invite you to

742
00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:01,020
have a conversation -- best way

743
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:05,020
to address this issue. We have

744
00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:09,020
noticed at the last yuan Q --

745
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:10,020
that's the union conference

746
00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:11,020
where different elected

747
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:12,020
officials of Québec get

748
00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:14,020
together, they have taken

749
00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:16,020
important issues that are not

750
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:18,020
appropriate in culture. Violence

751
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:20,020
against women, violence against

752
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:21,020
children, for example, and

753
00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:23,020
discuss those issues, brought it

754
00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:27,020
out into the open and had a

755
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:29,020
bringing it to light, so that is

756
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:31,020
not buried, it is not erased,

757
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:33,020
and try to move forward and also

758
00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:35,020
have our culture more aware of

759
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:37,020
these wearable practices. In

760
00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:39,020
that case, it was still going

761
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:40,020
on, it was violence against

762
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:42,020
women. So, I just invite you to

763
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:44,020
speak to Brent. Because there's

764
00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:45,020
also discussions going on in

765
00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:47,020
what the best way to move

766
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:49,020
forward is, because, as

767
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:51,020
Councillor Stork has shared,

768
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:52,020
what is the right way when there

769
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:54,020
could be multiple other issues

770
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:56,020
other than the one streaked? So,

771
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:58,020
it is not a lack of empathy for

772
00:27:58,020 --> 00:27:59,020
the situation at all. It's

773
00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:01,080
about, what is doing right? What

774
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,080
would be most honouring? Do we

775
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,080
want to honour storytelling? Do

776
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,080
we want to have a different type

777
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,080
of reconciliation? Things of

778
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,080
that sort? So, just add -- but I

779
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,080
invite you to have a

780
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,080
conversation with Council to

781
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,080
have more of the ideas and

782
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,080
exchange. Because that is what

783
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080
we are looking for.

784
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,080
>> I mean, there is some -- Joe

785
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,080
or distorting in this country

786
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,080
now -- and this is what this is.

787
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,080
The only Joe -- genocides --

788
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080
commemorate -- genocide --

789
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,080
streets and important history

790
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,080
behind that -- and that's

791
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,080
>> Thank you, Mr. Quella.

792
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,080
Bridget Watson?

793
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,080
>> Good evening. I guess I don't

794
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,080
have to say my name. So, the

795
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,040
mandate that the letter that was

796
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,040
given to Madam the down, that

797
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,040
city manager -- strain on civic

798
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,040
engagement. You granted private

799
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,040
talks between multibillion

800
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,040
dollar Corporation and City

801
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,040
representatives, while leaving

802
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,040
the citizens out in the cold. I

803
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,040
know we disagree on that. But

804
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,040
this is how I see after having

805
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,040
read the mandate letter. We the

806
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,040
people of Pointe-Claire don't

807
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,040
generally have access to the

808
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,040
resources, financial or

809
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,040
otherwise, and influence like

810
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,040
how like Fairview does. So this

811
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,040
is not a level playing field

812
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,040
with how zones and we won an Mu2

813
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,040
art to be approached. For that

814
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,040
reason alone, I feel you have

815
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,040
failed us and I have grave

816
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,040
concerns and doubts over what

817
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,040
kind of city we will end up with

818
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,040
when all this is over. So my

819
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,040
first question is, the mandate

820
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,040
letter states that members of

821
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,040
the committee are firmly

822
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,040
committed to achieving the

823
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,040
objectives set and respecting

824
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,040
the framework established for

825
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,040
the redevelopment of or

826
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,000
treatment of Mu1 and Mu2 zones.

827
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000
A large number of citizens are

828
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,000
in favour of -- does that mean

829
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000
that anyone that -- allowed to

830
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000
join the committee?

831
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
>> I don't think so.

832
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000
>> It states in the mandate

833
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
letter.

834
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000
>> Read it to me again, we

835
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000
swats?

836
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000
>> -- firmly committed to

837
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000
achieving the objective set and

838
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,000
respecting the a framework

839
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000
established for the

840
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,000
redevelopment or treatment at

841
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000
venue won it and you two zones.

842
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000
>> Okay. So they are linked

843
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
together.

844
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,000
>> So, there is no answer? Okay.

845
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000
>> You feel that they should be

846
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000
included?

847
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,000
>> I think it's a

848
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,000
misinterpretation of how you are

849
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,000
reading. Like you said, your

850
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,000
perception -- the point is, we

851
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000
want to, as was mentioned at the

852
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000
very beginning, different

853
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
perspectives, different

854
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,000
representation. We want from

855
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
across the city. That, yes, we

856
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
understand that there is a very

857
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,060
strong group of certain

858
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:02,060
individuals. But we want to hear

859
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:04,060
from everyone and all aspects

860
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:07,060
across the city. It does not

861
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:08,060
preclude anyone from this group

862
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:10,060
being on it. But something has

863
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:15,060
to be built on Mu1 for sure --

864
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:16,060
>> For sure --

865
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:20,060
>> And that's the whole point --

866
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:21,060
>> --

867
00:31:21,060 --> 00:31:23,060
>> -- regularly keep members of

868
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:24,060
the Council of the city of

869
00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:25,060
Pointe-Claire informed of the

870
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:27,060
process of the work process

871
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:28,060
previously agreed upon between

872
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,060
the parties, which I am assuming

873
00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:32,060
our Cadillac Fairview and city.

874
00:31:32,060 --> 00:31:35,060
There is no mention of citizens

875
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:37,060
being involved in this process.

876
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:38,060
And this is the mandate letter

877
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:40,060
that was given to madame Verdun

878
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:42,060
or she gave this to the

879
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:43,060
representative from Cadillac

880
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:44,060
Fairview. These are the

881
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:45,060
instruction she is to go on,

882
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:47,060
where it states that if people

883
00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:51,060
are not committed to and firmly

884
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:53,060
-- achieving the objective said

885
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:55,060
by the parties, then they are

886
00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:56,060
not to be on the committee. So,

887
00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:58,060
it's not my interpretation. It

888
00:31:58,060 --> 00:32:01,020
is what is written. The second

889
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,020
question -- at the

890
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:06,020
>> That's --

891
00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:07,020
>> January 30th extraordinary

892
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:08,020
meeting, I remember Councillor

893
00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:09,020
Stork and perhaps others saying

894
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:10,020
that if you weren't happy with

895
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:12,020
the talks between the city and

896
00:32:12,020 --> 00:32:14,020
Cadillac Fairview, you would

897
00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:15,020
walk away. Now nowhere does that

898
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:17,020
state that in the mandate

899
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:20,020
letter, so, are we to assume

900
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:21,020
that Cadillac Fairview knows and

901
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:22,020
understands us? Or will they see

902
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:23,020
you for this to what they decide

903
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:26,020
to walk away?

904
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:31,020
>> The mandate is to start

905
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:32,020
discussions to establish the

906
00:32:32,020 --> 00:32:35,020
process. The mandate does not

907
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:37,020
state that we are going to agree

908
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:38,020
on whatever Cadillac Fairview

909
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:40,020
wants. I think that's a

910
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:43,020
misinterpretation. We want

911
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:44,020
madame Verdun to start the

912
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:46,020
discussion so that things can

913
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:47,020
move forward so that we can

914
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:49,020
establish a best process to work

915
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:50,020
together.

916
00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:51,020
>> Then I wish you would say

917
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:53,020
that more clearly in here.

918
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:54,020
Because

919
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:55,020
>> -- well, that's her

920
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:56,020
administrative right, to be able

921
00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:58,020
to negotiate with the person.

922
00:32:58,020 --> 00:33:00,080
She is a DG of the city. And so

923
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,080
we are giving the mandate for

924
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,080
her to go and start the process.

925
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,080
>> From what I understand these

926
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,080
mandates are your instructions,

927
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,080
though.

928
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,080
>> Yes, to start discussion.

929
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Yes, to start discussions --

930
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080
>> Well, it's more than starting

931
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,080
discussions.

932
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,080
>> Okay. Well -- any other

933
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,080
comments --

934
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,080
>> If I could weigh in -- my

935
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,080
belief and desire is for the

936
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,080
discussions to not involve

937
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Council at the early part of the

938
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,080
process or politicians. The

939
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,080
elected official should not be

940
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,080
involved. And it should be urban

941
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,080
planning and the parties

942
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,080
involved and the citizen. And

943
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,080
the sooner we get the citizen

944
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,080
involved, the better, and that

945
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080
is why we are moving along. And

946
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,080
I like the way we are headed.

947
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,080
And I take exception to the way

948
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,080
it's written and the resolution.

949
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,080
Because I feel that we have

950
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,080
moved away from them, the

951
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,080
priority of the importance of

952
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,040
citizen participation and I

953
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,040
would have -- greater structure

954
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,040
on this process and -- as long

955
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,040
as it is after the facts.

956
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,040
>> I'd like to comment, please.

957
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,040
>> Go ahead, Councillor Stork.

958
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,040
>> Contrary to what you just

959
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,040
said, the elected officials are

960
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,040
not involved in this process.

961
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,040
This is a process involving our

962
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,040
DG, members of our

963
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,040
administration, and Cadillac

964
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,040
Fairview, to set up a public

965
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,040
participation policy to bring

966
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,040
the citizens of Pointe-Claire at

967
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,040
a table and discuss. Whatever

968
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,040
comes out of that is brought

969
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,040
back to Council -- and this has

970
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,040
been noted before -- it's

971
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,040
brought back to Council. It has

972
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,040
to be agreed upon. And it will

973
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,040
be discussed with the citizens.

974
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,040
So, at no point are elected

975
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,040
officials. I don't know what --

976
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,040
the are of that but at no point

977
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,040
are elected officials in this

978
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,040
process.

979
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,040
>> How is the letter structured?

980
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,040
>> Thank you for clarifying

981
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,040
that, Councillor Stork. At what

982
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,040
frequency will the updates be

983
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,040
coming from the de G?

984
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,000
>> We have to see what comes out

985
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000
of it. We have to find out.

986
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,000
That's what will be part of this

987
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,000
discussion.

988
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
>> I'm just really puzzled on

989
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,000
how the public is not allowed to

990
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000
leave the process on the public

991
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
participation process -- why

992
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,000
couldn't you start with us? And

993
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
then, I hear -- I was there for

994
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,000
all the meetings. I know all the

995
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
stuff that you said. And I'm

996
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
glad you did say that. However,

997
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000
it is still confusing. So, I

998
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000
thank you for your time. And

999
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,000
I've got to go.

1000
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
>> Ms., if I could just add, the

1001
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000
letter itself had influence --

1002
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,000
it was influenced. And so, there

1003
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,000
has been a role. We've cleared

1004
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
the process of how -- I would

1005
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
prefer to have a citizen

1006
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
involvement and greater citizen

1007
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,000
involvement and I feel that

1008
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
letter was a step forward, with

1009
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000
too much involvement of

1010
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,000
Councillor not enough of the

1011
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
citizen. That is my take on it.

1012
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,060
>> Just one last little comment.

1013
00:36:00,060 --> 00:36:01,060
>> --

1014
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:03,060
>> Yeah, thank you, Tim.

1015
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:05,060
>> -- Mayor Thomas --

1016
00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:08,060
>> Thank you, Mayor Thomas --

1017
00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:10,060
for clarifying that elected

1018
00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:11,060
officials will not be involved

1019
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:13,060
in the process.

1020
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:18,060
>> That would be my hope.

1021
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:23,060
Gregory Forchette?

1022
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:30,060
>> Mister Mayor, my name is

1023
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:34,060
Gregory -- please make an

1024
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:36,060
attempt to correct my name.

1025
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:38,060
>> I apologize.

1026
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:40,060
>> When you speak ill of me when

1027
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:42,060
I'm not in the room --

1028
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:44,060
>> I never speak I love you sir.

1029
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:47,060
>> That's -- excuse me it's

1030
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:49,060
unfair -- I don't speak ill of

1031
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:50,060
you, sir.

1032
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:52,060
>> You made a comment about my

1033
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:54,060
preamble's., So --

1034
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:58,060
>> In the meetings here?

1035
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:01,020
>> -- I was speaking about --

1036
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:02,020
>> The preamble's are the

1037
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:03,020
preamble's.

1038
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:06,020
>> That's me.

1039
00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:07,020
>> --

1040
00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:08,020
>> So, given that the letter has

1041
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:10,020
come up and the letter that you

1042
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,020
are post on Facebook has come up

1043
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:14,020
multiple times already this

1044
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:18,020
evening, I am -- I'm mildly

1045
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:20,020
confused. And I think a lot of

1046
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:21,020
the residents are mildly

1047
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,020
confused about some of the

1048
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:23,020
statements that are being made.

1049
00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:25,020
You have made some very very

1050
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:28,020
strong statements in your posts

1051
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:31,020
on Facebook regarding

1052
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:32,020
commitments. And what a

1053
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:36,020
contract, one of mandates. I

1054
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:39,020
really want to truly understand

1055
00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:40,020
how -- and that will get to my

1056
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:42,020
questions -- how you make these

1057
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:46,020
statements and why you make the

1058
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:48,020
statements. It's in reference to

1059
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:50,020
the agreements or discussions

1060
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:51,020
with Cadillac Fairview. I'm

1061
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:53,020
going to keep it simple. My

1062
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:56,020
first question is, please

1063
00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:58,020
elaborate and explain to us

1064
00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:01,080
where you see in this letter.

1065
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,080
And I will add, there was some

1066
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,080
loose translation to this letter

1067
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,080
being shared around that where

1068
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,080
we are committing the City

1069
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,080
clearly commits. And I use this

1070
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,080
several times going to force the

1071
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,080
City to allow as Cadillac

1072
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,080
Fairview to write their own

1073
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,080
bylaws. We are in this statement

1074
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,080
-- in these two pages that I

1075
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,080
have read now, multiple times

1076
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,080
does that say that?

1077
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,080
>> The CDP allows --

1078
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,080
>> Is there are contract --

1079
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,080
>> Mr. Frechette, -- I'm trying

1080
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,080
to answer your question.

1081
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,080
-- far greater role than

1082
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,080
otherwise. And my initial

1083
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,080
objection to this whole process

1084
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,080
the letter and the resolution is

1085
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,080
that there isn't mutual joint

1086
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,080
role in the process -- city and

1087
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,080
developer together. And that I

1088
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,080
don't accept. So, that's where I

1089
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,040
see the problem. That's where I

1090
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,040
see the issue with the process

1091
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,040
that we are engaged in, right

1092
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,040
now. And I would not allow the

1093
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,040
developer that kind of rollover

1094
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,040
-- control over the service in

1095
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,040
citizen participation. I don't

1096
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,040
think that's fair. So, that is

1097
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,040
my feeling on it.

1098
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,040
>> My second question is, please

1099
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,040
provide us, the citizens, with

1100
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,040
the documentation and the proof

1101
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,040
that we have entered, signed

1102
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,040
into a CDP, into a contract,

1103
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,040
with Cadillac Fairview that is

1104
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,040
going to -- allows Cadillac

1105
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,040
Fairview to design the bylaws at

1106
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040
the city of Pointe-Claire can

1107
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,040
say no. If the in CC can say no

1108
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,040
to the federal government on

1109
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,040
development in downtown Ottawa,

1110
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,040
I am certain Pointe-Claire can

1111
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,040
say no to Cadillac Fairview on

1112
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,040
development and what happens.

1113
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Prove to me -- prove to the rest

1114
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,040
of the city of Pointe-Claire

1115
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,040
where this CDP is, and where

1116
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,000
this contract that you clearly

1117
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
stated on Facebook today,

1118
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
exists.

1119
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,000
>> Mr. Frechette, what CDP does

1120
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
is allow Cadillac Fairview to

1121
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,000
propose. And what I don't want

1122
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
is for Cadillac Fairview is to

1123
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
propose. What I would like is

1124
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000
for the citizen to create a

1125
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000
framework and a CDP allows the

1126
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,000
developer to propose. And that

1127
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,000
is where we are already a step

1128
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000
along in the -- it's. Once it's

1129
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
been proposed and the process

1130
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,000
starts it's very hard to relate

1131
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,000
back where is I would like to

1132
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
have a clue to citizen

1133
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,000
decision-making process prior to

1134
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
the proposal, prior to anything,

1135
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000
so that we don't have to reel

1136
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
anything back after the fact. So

1137
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
that is where I'm going with

1138
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000
that one. And we aren't in a CDP

1139
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
yet. We are working towards one.

1140
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
>> Thank you. We are not in a

1141
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,000
seedy tee it.

1142
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
>> Not yet --

1143
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
>> And this letter today -- that

1144
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,000
you shared, this email --

1145
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,060
>> It does not say we are in a

1146
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:03,060
CDP already.

1147
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:04,060
>> Okay.

1148
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:06,060
>> We are not in the CDP --

1149
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:08,060
>> This is now the signed

1150
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:09,060
contract --

1151
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:11,060
>> There is a mandate letter.

1152
00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:13,060
There is a mandate letter.

1153
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:14,060
>> There's a mandate letter to

1154
00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:16,060
start some discussions.

1155
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:19,060
>> The process is -- without sin

1156
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:22,060
participation. So, that is the

1157
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:24,060
issue here. Mr. Fréchet, that is

1158
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:27,060
the issue here.

1159
00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:29,060
>> A pretty short says

1160
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:30,060
participation of citizens in

1161
00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:32,060
here. Thank you.

1162
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:34,060
>> May I comment, Mister Mayor?

1163
00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:35,060
>> Absolutely.

1164
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:37,060
>> Just for clarification,

1165
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:38,060
basically, this resolution once

1166
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:40,060
again, if you start the process

1167
00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:42,060
to set up a public participation

1168
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:44,060
process with the citizens. Once

1169
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:46,060
that is established, it's how to

1170
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:48,060
set up a framework for the

1171
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:49,060
citizens to be involved in the

1172
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:51,060
process. It's their thoughts,

1173
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:52,060
their beliefs, whether it be

1174
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:54,060
three meetings, 20 people, or

1175
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:56,060
100 people. That's to set up the

1176
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:58,060
process. In my view, in my

1177
00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:00,020
opinion, then that happens.

1178
00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:02,020
Those public participation

1179
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:05,020
happens. From there, we get the

1180
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:06,020
information from the feedback,

1181
00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:07,020
from the citizens. And at that

1182
00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:09,020
point we have confirmed an idea

1183
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:11,020
once that ideas formulated on

1184
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:13,020
what the soft thoughts of the

1185
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:15,020
citizens are, to my opinion I

1186
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:18,020
think that's the actual process.

1187
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:19,020
And from that point, we would

1188
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:21,020
open discussions, potentially,

1189
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:24,020
with Cadillac Fairview to CDP.

1190
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:27,020
So, we would not speak to the

1191
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:29,020
citizens after we negotiate a

1192
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:31,020
CDP. It happened, we will speak

1193
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:33,020
to the citizens, and bake based

1194
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:34,020
upon the information we would

1195
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:37,020
take back, we would potentially

1196
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:38,020
discuss a CDP -- it would have

1197
00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,020
to be mutual and it would have

1198
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:43,020
to be -- council resolution, it

1199
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:44,020
would have to be passed by us.

1200
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:46,020
And the citizens would have

1201
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:47,020
public participation, even after

1202
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:49,020
we get to the citizen of what

1203
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:52,020
the --

1204
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:54,020
>> So, just to clarify -- there

1205
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:59,020
is no CDP discussions until the

1206
00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:00,080
Public receives all the

1207
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,080
information from the public

1208
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,080
participation policy to be

1209
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,080
digested.

1210
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,080
>> To make it clear for all of

1211
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,080
you -- I gave you all a schedule

1212
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,080
last time, last meeting. Have a

1213
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,080
look at that schedule and --

1214
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,080
process that is about to unfold

1215
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,080
in this process. And analyze

1216
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,080
this process and see when in

1217
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,080
fact there actually is citizen

1218
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,080
participation. And you will see

1219
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,080
that it is quite a ways along

1220
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,080
the process. Have a look at it.

1221
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,080
You all have a schedule last

1222
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,080
meeting. So, you will know the

1223
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,080
citizens are far down the

1224
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,080
process. A lot can happen and

1225
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,080
it's very difficult to roll

1226
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,080
things back, wants to get

1227
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,080
rolling. I would wait prefer it,

1228
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,080
have a look where the citizen

1229
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,080
involvement is in that process

1230
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,080
-- it is produced and out there

1231
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,080
and you have it. As for the

1232
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,080
other thing that is very

1233
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,080
concerning, disconcerting, for

1234
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,080
me, it's that in the Kirkland

1235
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,080
process and another processes,

1236
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,040
the citizens got to choose their

1237
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,040
own representative. I'm worried

1238
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,040
that that is not in fact going

1239
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,040
to be the case, if this process

1240
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,040
proceeds in the way it is

1241
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,040
structured. So, these are my

1242
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,040
concerns. I'm putting out red

1243
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,040
lights. That's what I'm trying

1244
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:17,040
to do. And it's open to change

1245
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,040
-- to influence when the

1246
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,040
citizens get involved and and I

1247
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,040
think and to get citizens

1248
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:37,040
involved -- and -- no Claude

1249
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,040
Claude casino?

1250
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,040
The

1251
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,040
>> Way understand it, Mister

1252
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,000
Mayor, is that -- and one

1253
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000
question left -- do you remember

1254
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,000
the deal?

1255
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,000
>> Yes, I respect deals. And I

1256
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,000
should know better -- and I'm

1257
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000
going to throw it out there.

1258
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Since there are by-elections

1259
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000
coming up are you going to

1260
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,000
support me?

1261
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,000
>> There is all around -- you

1262
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,000
put it in plural. Can you allow

1263
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000
me time to reflect? That's a big

1264
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,000
decision.

1265
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,000
>> And that will be determined

1266
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000
-- if you are the best of all

1267
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
the candidates entered --

1268
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,000
>> I'm convinced of that.

1269
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
- Merci beaucoup, and --

1270
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Monsieur, c'était une très bonne

1271
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
question, merci beaucoup!

1272
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,060
>> -- Tracey --

1273
00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:02,060
>> Thank you --

1274
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:03,060
>> You will pass?

1275
00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:05,060
>> Okay.

1276
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:15,060
Normand Lapointe?

1277
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:24,060
>> -- not here. We need the

1278
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:27,060
resolution the 30th. And -- come

1279
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:30,060
see you -- in 2017 -- novella

1280
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:44,060
and good day -- and the three of

1281
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:45,060
them councillors, that they were

1282
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:48,060
here --

1283
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:54,060
- Monsieur Lapointe, pouvez-vous

1284
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:55,060
vous approcher du micro, s'il

1285
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:56,060
vous plaît?

1286
00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:59,060
- Hockey.

1287
00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:00,020
(---)

1288
00:47:00,020 --> 00:47:05,020
ça, c'est des P, c'est un

1289
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:08,020
exemple exactement de ce que

1290
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:09,020
vous êtes en train de faire en

1291
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:11,020
ce moment. Il y a un contrat qui

1292
00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:15,020
a été soumis le 16 janvier, 27,

1293
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:20,020
dans ce contrat-là, il y avait

1294
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:22,020
trois

1295
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:23,020
(inaudible)

1296
00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:24,020
qui ont été faites: possibilité

1297
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:26,020
de...

1298
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:58,020
>> -- and the 27 87 -- and they

1299
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,080
-- answers compact between the

1300
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,080
city of Pointe-Claire and the

1301
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,080
company, 3:35, dash or seven, 91

1302
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,080
and that includes some people

1303
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,080
from -- the contract was done

1304
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,080
between the DG we missed and --

1305
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,080
Pointe-Claire. The same night

1306
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:30,080
the adoption. Everything was

1307
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,080
done and already public

1308
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,080
consultation -- and the contract

1309
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,080
was signed by the City. And

1310
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,080
everything went on -- it with

1311
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,080
some public consultation. And it

1312
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,080
was a chance for everyone --

1313
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,080
they were changing the type of

1314
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,080
height and the number of -- that

1315
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:04,040
was supposed to be. It went from

1316
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:09,040
40 apartment acre to have. Tara

1317
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Stainforth today we get RCI. If

1318
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,040
we have to change anyone to a

1319
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,040
park and we this and

1320
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,040
-- and going to 25 storey

1321
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,040
We're gonna go only 15 storeys.

1322
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,040
And you agree, there is no

1323
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:38,040
change of the zoning, and they

1324
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,040
want to go to 15 if you want. An

1325
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,040
argument is gonna be done

1326
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,040
between the C C F, and the

1327
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,040
general manager. So, there will

1328
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,040
be no, if the citizen wants to

1329
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,000
have any two zones of the park,

1330
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,000
we have to go through RCI, and

1331
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,000
be able to do a referendum, and

1332
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,000
the people that are in Mu2. The

1333
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:18,000
contiguous zoning, that are

1334
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
right beside it they will have

1335
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,000
to vote to first of all get the

1336
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,000
visitor to start and then have

1337
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,000
the necessary number to vote yes

1338
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,000
or no.

1339
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,000
All the time right now, see of

1340
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,000
what they want is to build right

1341
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
away. You can see on their

1342
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,000
website, the timeline that they

1343
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,060
have. So for us, if we really

1344
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:04,060
want to change the zoning of

1345
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:07,060
Mu2, to park, the only way to do

1346
00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:11,060
it is by the RCI. And that's the

1347
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:13,060
question is very important,

1348
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:15,060
because the other way if

1349
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:20,060
Cadillac Fairview decides to go

1350
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:24,060
to 15 storeys. This anyone, any

1351
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:27,060
two, zoning of a public

1352
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:29,060
consultation, but they can't go

1353
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:31,060
to a referendum.

1354
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:32,060
>> Okay.

1355
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:33,060
>> Is that right?

1356
00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:34,060
>> From my understanding, I'm

1357
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:38,060
not sure, but I think that is.

1358
00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:39,060
- But I ask, non, c'est pas

1359
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:40,060
correct? --

1360
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:42,060
>> I can help clarify if you

1361
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:46,060
wish. Actually, Madam Thibeault,

1362
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:49,060
you are nodding your head.

1363
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:50,060
Madame Thibault

1364
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:51,060
>>?

1365
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:52,060
Yes, want me to answer the

1366
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:55,060
question? Monsieur normal à

1367
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:57,060
point, je peux vous répondre en

1368
00:51:57,060 --> 00:51:58,060
français, si vous voulez, je ne

1369
00:51:58,060 --> 00:52:00,020
sais pas par où commencer, votre

1370
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:01,020
question était... bon, vous êtes

1371
00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:02,020
allé un peu dans tous les sens.

1372
00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:03,020
Je voulais juste ramener,

1373
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:05,020
peut-être, un fait: si vous

1374
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:06,020
permettez, Monsieur le Maire, je

1375
00:52:06,020 --> 00:52:07,020
vais juste ramener un élément,

1376
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:12,020
là. Vous avez parlé que dans une

1377
00:52:12,020 --> 00:52:16,020
certaine séquence, il y avait le

1378
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:18,020
RCI, ensuite, qu'il y avait un

1379
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:19,020
référendum.

1380
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:20,020
- Qu'il y avait une possibilité

1381
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:21,020
d'avoir un référendum quand ils

1382
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:22,020
y avaient un RCI.

1383
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:23,020
- Non.

1384
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:28,020
- Si on change la zone de MU2 à

1385
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:33,020
PAC, il y a possibilité de

1386
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:34,020
référendum.

1387
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:35,020
- C'est beaucoup plus compliqué

1388
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:39,020
que ça, le RCI permet à un

1389
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:40,020
conseiller municipal de faire un

1390
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:42,020
temps d'arrêt pour vers le plan

1391
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:44,020
d'urbanisme. C'est une condition

1392
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:46,020
sine qua non, légalement, un RCI

1393
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:48,020
est en place dans l'optique ou

1394
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:50,020
un conseil municipal est en

1395
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:51,020
révision de son plan

1396
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:53,020
d'urbanisme, c'est la base.

1397
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:54,020
C'est exactement ce qui se passe

1398
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:57,020
en ce moment. Au terme de

1399
00:52:57,020 --> 00:52:59,020
l'opération de révision du plan

1400
00:52:59,020 --> 00:53:01,080
d'urbanisme, il y aura

1401
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,080
concordance dans les règlements

1402
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,080
d'urbanisme entre les zonage,

1403
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,080
les PIA, la, construction tous

1404
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,080
les règlements d'urbanisme qui

1405
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,080
découlent du plan tombe anis

1406
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,080
mais seront ajustés en fonction

1407
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,080
des nouvelles orientations du

1408
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,080
plan d'

1409
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Urbanisme. Je ne parle pas de

1410
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,080
référendum ici. Je ne parle pas

1411
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,080
de référendum. Ce que le conseil

1412
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,080
municipal de la Ville de

1413
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,080
Pointe-Claire est en train

1414
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,080
d'établir, c'est un processus de

1415
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,080
consultation publique des

1416
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,080
citoyens dans le cas de la

1417
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,080
révision du plan d'urbanisme, et

1418
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,080
ultimement, les règlements

1419
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,080
d'urbanisme seront changés,

1420
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,080
alors à aucun moment, ici, on ne

1421
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,080
parle d'une relation entre un

1422
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,080
RCI et un référendum. Alors ce

1423
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,080
serait faux de dire cela. Et

1424
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,080
votre question, encore, c'était,

1425
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,080
quoi précisément?

1426
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,080
- Il faut changer MU2 à PAC

1427
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,080
(---)

1428
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,080
, ça prend une...

1429
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,080
- Ça prend un changement dans la

1430
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,080
réglementation d'urbanisme.

1431
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,040
Est-ce que le plan d'urbanisme

1432
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,040
est ultimement, et ultimement,

1433
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,040
la concordance des règles moteur

1434
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,040
bannisse, même donc le règlement

1435
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,040
du zonage, viendra changer cette

1436
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:13,040
zone-là pour la rendre PAC?

1437
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,040
Règlement d'urbanisme? Les

1438
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,040
citoyens en décideront lors

1439
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,040
d'une révision du plan

1440
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,040
d'urbanisme, en date

1441
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,040
d'aujourd'hui, ce n'est pas le

1442
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,040
cas, ça pourrait être le cas,

1443
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,040
mais il y a des mécanismes dans

1444
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,040
la loi qui existe pour arriver à

1445
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,040
faire ça. Pour l'instant, ce

1446
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,040
n'est pas ça. Il n'y a pas de

1447
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,040
relations de changer MU2 en PAC

1448
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,040
en référendum au plan... au

1449
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,040
moment où on se parle. Elle

1450
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,040
- Met le CD et ne permettra pas

1451
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,040
de changer...

1452
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,040
- Le plan d'aménagement

1453
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,040
d'ensemble, c'est complètement

1454
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,040
autre chose, si on est dans un

1455
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,040
autre outil d'urbanisme, si vous

1456
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,040
voulez que je vous fasse un

1457
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,040
résumé de ce qu'est un plan

1458
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,040
d'aménagement d'ensemble, ça va

1459
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,040
me faire plaisir. Monsieur le

1460
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,040
Maire, voulez-vous que

1461
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,040
j'embarque dans cette

1462
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,040
explication-là?

1463
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,040
- Si tout le monde veut

1464
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,040
comprendre les deux...

1465
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,040
- Oui.

1466
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,000
(inaudible)

1467
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,000
- Hein?

1468
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,000
- Bon, alors je vais expliquer,

1469
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,000
très brièvement la notion de

1470
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,000
plan d'aménagement d'ensemble,

1471
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,000
comme on l'entend, le CBP.

1472
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,000
Présentement, on va parler de la

1473
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,000
zone Cadillac Fairview, les

1474
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,000
zones MU2 et MU1 ne sont pas

1475
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,000
soumis à un plan d'aménagement

1476
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,000
d'ensemble. Est-ce que c'est, un

1477
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,000
plan d'aménagement d'ensemble

1478
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
pour une ville, c'est que la

1479
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,000
ville décide que certaines

1480
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,000
parties de son territoire, s'il

1481
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000
y a développement dans ces

1482
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
zones-là, les développeurs

1483
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,000
devront soumettre un plan à la

1484
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000
Ville, un plan d'aménagement

1485
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,000
d'ensemble qui est assujetti à

1486
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,000
des critères très précis. Alors

1487
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,000
une partie du territoire

1488
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,000
pourrait être assujetti à un

1489
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
développement qui devrait passer

1490
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,000
par un plan d'aménagement

1491
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
d'ensemble. La ville peut se

1492
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,000
doter d'un règlement sur les

1493
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,000
PAE, ce règlement est assujetti

1494
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,060
à une consultation publique, ça,

1495
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:02,060
c'est une chose. Une fois qu'un

1496
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:03,060
territoire de la ville est

1497
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:07,060
assujetti à un règlement de plan

1498
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:08,060
d'aménagement d'ensemble, un

1499
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:10,060
CDP, tous ceux qui voudront

1500
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:11,060
développer dans cette zone-là

1501
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:13,060
devront passer par le dépôt à la

1502
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:15,060
ville, donc au comité

1503
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:16,060
consultatif d'urbanisme, d'un

1504
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:18,060
plan d'aménagement d'ensemble

1505
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:20,060
pour le projet qui sera

1506
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:22,060
ultimement soumis au conseil

1507
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:24,060
municipal et devra faire l'objet

1508
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:25,060
d'une approbation par le conseil

1509
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:28,060
municipal. Si le conseil

1510
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:29,060
autorise le projet qui a été

1511
00:56:29,060 --> 00:56:31,060
fait en vertu du Règlement sur

1512
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:36,060
les PAE, à ce moment-là, le

1513
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:38,060
projet étant accepté, le conseil

1514
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:41,060
municipal doit modifier sa

1515
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:42,060
réglementation d'urbanisme pour

1516
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:46,060
arriver à ce que le projet

1517
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:47,060
rentre dans les critères du

1518
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:51,060
règlement. Et ces modifications

1519
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:52,060
réglementaires-là sont une fois

1520
00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:55,060
de plus assujetti à

1521
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:57,060
l'approbation des citoyens en

1522
00:56:57,060 --> 00:56:59,060
consultation publique.

1523
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:01,020
- Est question référendaire?

1524
00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:03,020
- Le processus référendaire,

1525
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:04,020
ultimement, c'est suite à la

1526
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,020
consultation publique,

1527
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:06,020
l'adoption des second projet de

1528
00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:08,020
règlement, il y a des demandes

1529
00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:10,020
suffisantes dans les zones

1530
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:12,020
concernées, tout à fait. Mais

1531
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:13,020
c'est les règlements, ça, ce

1532
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:15,020
sont des règlements d'urbanisme

1533
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:16,020
qui serait modifiée advenant que

1534
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:19,020
le conseil approuve un projet

1535
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:22,020
qui a été soumis au conseil en

1536
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:23,020
raison d'un règlement sur les

1537
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:25,020
PAE, ce sont quand même des

1538
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:26,020
choses distinctes mais qui

1539
00:57:26,020 --> 00:57:27,020
finissent, au bout du compte,

1540
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:29,020
par se rejoindre.

1541
00:57:29,020 --> 00:57:30,020
- Alors c'est Cadillac

1542
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:34,020
fluviaux... excusez.

1543
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:38,020
(signal sonore)

1544
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:41,020
Excusez. Six cadets fluviaux

1545
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:44,020
décide de respecter les règles

1546
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:48,020
de MU1 est MU2, il n'y aura pas

1547
00:57:48,020 --> 00:57:49,020
de référendum?

1548
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:50,020
- Non. Ce que j'ai dit, c'est

1549
00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:54,020
que si le Conseil décide

1550
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:58,020
d'assujettir les zones MU1 et

1551
00:57:58,020 --> 00:57:59,020
MU2 sur un plan d'aménagement

1552
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:00,080
d'ensemble, ce qui n'est pas le

1553
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,080
cas en ce moment, si le Conseil

1554
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,080
décidait de le faire, il y a des

1555
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,080
critères qui devraient être

1556
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,080
analysés, mais avant d'arriver à

1557
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,080
ce stade-là, il y a des

1558
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,080
discussions à avoir avec

1559
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,080
Cadillac Fairview, mais non

1560
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,080
seulement, ça il faut que le

1561
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,080
plan d'organismes et les

1562
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,080
règlements d'urbanisme fasse en

1563
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,080
sorte que l'on puisse donner.

1564
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,080
Plan d'urbanisme, pardon. Que

1565
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,080
les données aux demandeurs la

1566
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,080
possibilité de faire un PAE,

1567
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,080
parce que pour donner

1568
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,080
l'autorisation, il doit déroger

1569
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,080
d'une façon ou d'une autre aux

1570
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,080
règles d'urbanisme, et en ce

1571
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,080
moment, cette zone-là n'a pas de

1572
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,080
règles d'urbanisme très claire,

1573
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,080
alors l'idée d'avoir un RCI, de

1574
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,080
revoir le plan d'urbanisme,

1575
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,080
c'est entre autres aussi pour

1576
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,080
donner à ce secteur névralgique

1577
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,080
de la ville des règles

1578
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,080
d'urbanisme très précis qui vont

1579
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,080
convenir dans la

1580
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,080
(inaudible)

1581
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,080
urbaine, la trame urbaine et le

1582
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,080
plan futur d'aménagement de

1583
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,080
Pointe-Claire. Alors je reviens

1584
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,080
à la question, alors MU1 MU2,

1585
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,040
s'il n'y avait jamais un PAE

1586
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,040
établi pour ce secteur-là,

1587
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,040
devrait déposer un projet à la

1588
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,040
ville, la ville l'analyserais à

1589
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,040
la lumière du règlement sur les

1590
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,040
PAE et viendraient, à ce moment,

1591
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,040
là ajuster...

1592
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,040
(signal sonore)

1593
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,040
Vous êtes un homme occupé,

1594
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,040
monsieur Lapointe?

1595
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,040
- Oui...

1596
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,040
(intervention en anglais)

1597
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,040
- O.K., merci!

1598
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,040
(inaudible)

1599
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Am I allowed to reply place?

1600
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,040
>> The question has been

1601
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,040
answered by madame to Merci,

1602
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,040
Madame Thibault. Go.

1603
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,040
>> I'd like to clarify, Mueller

1604
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,040
to respond?

1605
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,040
>> Is the

1606
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,040
Legal department allowed to have

1607
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,040
the overarching authority, or my

1608
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,040
chair of the meeting.

1609
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,040
>> I don't, know I'm asking.

1610
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,040
>> To the Councillor ask for the

1611
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,040
right to speak, Chairman Shaw

1612
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,040
gave him the opportunity.

1613
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,040
>> It's just a simple

1614
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,040
clarification from, 2017 of

1615
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,000
course this went through

1616
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,000
September 12th, which I call the

1617
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000
long nights of Pointe-Claire,

1618
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,000
which is when they all went from

1619
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,000
-- September 12 2019, from

1620
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,000
commercial to mixed-use

1621
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,000
residential. At that point the

1622
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,000
zoning has been change. Correct

1623
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,000
me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty

1624
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,000
certain right now, we don't

1625
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
require icy I for making a

1626
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,000
zoning change, we just have to

1627
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,000
apply for it on our behalf, we

1628
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,000
could potentially try to resolve

1629
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Fairview forest into parks, and

1630
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000
RCIs not required. Now that I

1631
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,000
think it's in the RGI, I think

1632
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,000
that would be possible. So I

1633
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000
want to clarify that RCIs not

1634
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:46,000
required to rezone something.

1635
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:54,000
>> Okay, now certainly Abe.

1636
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,000
>> Good evening Mister Mayor,

1637
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,000
and City Council.

1638
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,060
>> I witnessed since the

1639
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:05,060
beginning of last year, the same

1640
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:11,060
City Council, the freeze of

1641
01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:16,060
Cadillac Fairview. And we can

1642
01:01:16,060 --> 01:01:18,060
convince the citizen, so what

1643
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:23,060
they did in the spring, -- to

1644
01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:30,060
get citizen consultation. So

1645
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:33,060
those over 100 people there, and

1646
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:35,060
the majority against against

1647
01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:39,060
Cadillac Fairview, was very

1648
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:42,060
clear. So they couldn't convince

1649
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:46,060
the citizen. And after that, in

1650
01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:51,060
July 27th. Mr. Frank Cohen, went

1651
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:55,060
to the newspaper, and he starts

1652
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:56,060
scaring people, people do not

1653
01:01:56,060 --> 01:01:57,060
follow what's going on in the

1654
01:01:57,060 --> 01:02:02,020
city. And like oh, if we not

1655
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:06,020
accept Cadillac Fairview, and

1656
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:08,020
all of the projects in the

1657
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:09,020
developers, they will increase

1658
01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:11,020
the scare tactics.

1659
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:13,020
>> Mister Mayor, I never said

1660
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:14,020
anything remotely like that.

1661
01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:18,020
Could you please intervene and

1662
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:19,020
--

1663
01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:20,020
>> Actually, Councillor Cowan,

1664
01:02:20,020 --> 01:02:23,020
it's not up to you to tell me to

1665
01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:26,020
intervene. But I have read that

1666
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:28,020
article, and I think there's a

1667
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:31,020
lot of truth to that. There was

1668
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:32,020
a scare of greater taxation,

1669
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:35,020
link to the RCI, I don't get it

1670
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:36,020
because of a copy of that

1671
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:40,020
article, on bringing next

1672
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:41,020
council.

1673
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:43,020
>> I have it with me,

1674
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:44,020
Councillor.

1675
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:45,020
>> You've got it on you?

1676
01:02:45,020 --> 01:02:49,020
>> I have, it and I had some

1677
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:50,020
copies. And please, a teacher in

1678
01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:51,020
the school, you don't cut

1679
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:52,020
somebody off who's talking. So

1680
01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:54,020
let me finish, and after you can

1681
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:59,020
say whatever you want. I also,

1682
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,080
we are always talking with the

1683
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:07,080
military. The military, you

1684
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,080
always follow the leader or the

1685
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,080
superior, not falling what they,

1686
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,080
like or who they like, but to

1687
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,080
make it clear, I know about the

1688
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,080
army, and I respect the army. So

1689
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,080
I hope you follow what you

1690
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,080
learned in the army.

1691
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,080
>> Sir, we don't need again to

1692
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,080
persevere.

1693
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,080
>> Are you coming off.

1694
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,080
>> You have a question?

1695
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,080
>> The same people, they can

1696
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,080
convince the citizens what they

1697
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,080
did, to convince the other

1698
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,080
three, City Council to alter

1699
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:41,080
that resolution. -- Mr.

1700
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:48,080
Tremblay, but when you charged

1701
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,080
district six, and you are the

1702
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,080
mayor against it. But they want

1703
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,080
to think on the beginning, and

1704
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,040
Cadillac Fairview. So I don't

1705
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,040
understand, why there is still

1706
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,040
insisting about all that, if the

1707
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,040
citizen again is all that, and

1708
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:12,040
we elect you. -- can you explain

1709
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,040
to me? Because we don't know

1710
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,040
what's going on behind closed

1711
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,040
doors. So please let me know.

1712
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,040
>> Well, I can lay the facts up

1713
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,040
before, you that I disagree with

1714
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:27,040
the resolution, and the mandate

1715
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,040
letter, because I feel like it

1716
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:34,040
goes against what I got elected

1717
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:39,040
on. That's my objection, so

1718
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,040
others can explain. Others can

1719
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,040
explain why you chose to --

1720
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,040
that's counter to what I told

1721
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,040
you was gonna, do I want to

1722
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,040
promise to do. That's my

1723
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,040
feeling, so I want to live up to

1724
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:59,040
what I said I would do, and I

1725
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,000
thought a give the citizen a

1726
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,000
greater role. I will say with

1727
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,000
the citizens force of the city,

1728
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,000
as opposed to force development,

1729
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,000
which people objected to after

1730
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,000
the fact. Which I think are

1731
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,000
examples of, but should we now

1732
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,000
be doing a forward, we should

1733
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
learn what's going on in the

1734
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,000
past. So if there are showers

1735
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
to, allows the citizens, to get

1736
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,000
involved, so we can prevent some

1737
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,000
of what I think are urban

1738
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000
planning areas of the past. When

1739
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,000
we can reflect, and great in a

1740
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,000
city that we can all be proud,

1741
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,000
of there is nothing wrong with

1742
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,000
the built environment, let's

1743
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,000
have one we all enjoy. So that's

1744
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
where I'm at here, I think for

1745
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,000
us to get it approach X, or

1746
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,000
developing city that we all

1747
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,000
enjoy, you need to be involved.

1748
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,000
Because to know where they're

1749
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,060
gonna enjoy it or not, we have

1750
01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:02,060
to hear what you want.

1751
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:04,060
>> Thank you for standing firm,

1752
01:06:04,060 --> 01:06:08,060
I guess of what is going on from

1753
01:06:08,060 --> 01:06:10,060
the administration. The second

1754
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:12,060
question, we have a lot of,

1755
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:17,060
issue very serious issue, -- the

1756
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:22,060
Environment, is very, very

1757
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:25,060
important. The water, the air

1758
01:06:34,060 --> 01:06:38,060
. For future generations. This

1759
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:43,060
is very important. Housing for

1760
01:06:44,060 --> 01:06:45,060
young families, and next

1761
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:48,060
generation, especially

1762
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:49,060
affordable housing and green

1763
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:52,060
housing. That's for the next

1764
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:55,060
generation. The taxes what we

1765
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:59,060
pay increasingly. We pay 16 and

1766
01:06:59,060 --> 01:07:03,020
a half percent taxes. -- is that

1767
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:05,020
not an issue to lower cost of

1768
01:07:05,020 --> 01:07:10,020
taxes? The road, the traffic.

1769
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:16,020
That's not all shoes to work on?

1770
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:17,020
On Cadillac Fairview, and all

1771
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:20,020
the developments. So please,

1772
01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:23,020
City Council, if you are not

1773
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:27,020
serious to work about all that.

1774
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:32,020
Because I saw on the north side,

1775
01:07:32,020 --> 01:07:34,020
someone on the same, we have to

1776
01:07:34,020 --> 01:07:37,020
trust a politician. I agree, but

1777
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:38,020
the politician has to be honest,

1778
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:43,020
trust, and respectful for the

1779
01:07:43,020 --> 01:07:45,020
environment, and people who

1780
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:49,020
elect them. Not for who work

1781
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:52,020
with them, so please, if you're

1782
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:55,020
not able to work in a serious

1783
01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:56,020
way, for us in the next

1784
01:07:56,020 --> 01:08:01,080
generation. Just step down. Get

1785
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,080
somebody else who is smart, and

1786
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,080
have the vision to see all these

1787
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,080
problems. We have two choices,

1788
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,080
we work on a serious issue --

1789
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,080
>> Is our question?

1790
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,080
>> That's what I'm asking, sir.

1791
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,080
>> But I can intervene.

1792
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,080
>> Yes.

1793
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,080
>> There is an insinuation

1794
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,080
there, that these people aren't

1795
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,080
doing that. Which there are

1796
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,080
arguments that they are, we just

1797
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,080
have different ways of doing it,

1798
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:31,080
right? So, is another question?

1799
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,080
What is the question.

1800
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,080
>> We have the serious issue to

1801
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:42,080
work on it. But they all just

1802
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,080
focus on developers, when we

1803
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:49,080
have all the traffic, housing,

1804
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,080
the environment. They preserve

1805
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:56,080
all the green spaces. We have to

1806
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,080
solve all these problems before

1807
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,080
you start building, so what

1808
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,040
that's what I'm asking.

1809
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,040
>> But there is an argument out

1810
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,040
there, it is environmental to

1811
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,040
develop. And in fact, it's

1812
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,040
preventing urban sprawl. You are

1813
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,040
being an environmentalist. You

1814
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,040
can't just say that the motive

1815
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,040
is not that. Can't say the

1816
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,040
motive is not an environmental,

1817
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,040
because there is an equal

1818
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:27,040
argument to that effect. That is

1819
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,040
shared by some of the Council,

1820
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,040
and that is that the more you

1821
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,040
built, the less we roll into

1822
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,040
urban sprawl. Problem with that,

1823
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,040
in my opinion, it means

1824
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,040
annihilating every single green

1825
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,040
space in urban setting. Which to

1826
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,040
me is somewhat contradictory.

1827
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,040
And of course the problem with

1828
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:49,040
that as well is, most

1829
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,040
Pointe-Claire eons, do you do

1830
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,040
not want to leave unidentified

1831
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,040
Hong Kong or -- Environment, or

1832
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,000
like even downtown Mississauga.

1833
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,000
As regards to densification of

1834
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,000
densification issue, it's also

1835
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,000
the quality of life issue. So to

1836
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,000
say that these councillors are

1837
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,000
not environmentalists, I don't

1838
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,000
think it's fair.

1839
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,000
>> I'm not saying -- I don't see

1840
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,000
serious work about the

1841
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,000
environment.

1842
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,000
>> You have another question?

1843
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,000
>> We are just criticizing. With

1844
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000
no question.

1845
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
>> Okay, God bless you, and

1846
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,000
thank you for working for the

1847
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,000
citizens seriously, and to solve

1848
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,000
our problems before starting

1849
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,000
building some more. Especially

1850
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,000
what we see -- don't repeat all

1851
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,000
that again. Thank you and God

1852
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,000
bless you.

1853
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,000
>> Conway?

1854
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,060
>> Good evening Mayor.

1855
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:10,060
Today, as a citizen of

1856
01:11:10,060 --> 01:11:13,060
Pointe-Claire. I must say I'm

1857
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:15,060
concerned with some common manse

1858
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:17,060
councillors have expressed,

1859
01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:18,060
especially in recent council

1860
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:20,060
meetings. I'll start with what's

1861
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:23,060
closest to me, and I'll say this

1862
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:28,060
without Carson. I'm especially

1863
01:11:28,060 --> 01:11:29,060
disappointed with the comments

1864
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:31,060
of Mr. Stork, at the last

1865
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:33,060
extraordinary meeting, January

1866
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:35,060
30th, at the 20th minute in the

1867
01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:40,060
meeting, Mr. Stork said you, our

1868
01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:44,060
mayor. -- continue your soapbox

1869
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:47,060
speech. Previously on January

1870
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:51,060
19th, the 23rd minute in the

1871
01:11:51,060 --> 01:11:54,060
meeting, Mr. Stokes said twice,

1872
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:58,060
you need help. Moreover, on a

1873
01:11:58,060 --> 01:11:59,060
post I commented on Facebook

1874
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:02,020
group, Mr. Stork replied without

1875
01:12:02,020 --> 01:12:04,020
a word, he put a link to a

1876
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:08,020
YouTube video, that was titled

1877
01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:10,020
narcissistic. When I asked for

1878
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:11,020
clarification explanation, I did

1879
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:14,020
not receive one word. This is an

1880
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:18,020
attempt to denigrate me, because

1881
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:20,020
I was directly in their

1882
01:12:20,020 --> 01:12:21,020
misleading information, I

1883
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:23,020
presume. And promote himself

1884
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:26,020
during the election campaign, on

1885
01:12:26,020 --> 01:12:29,020
a flyer reading better together,

1886
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:31,020
transparency, dedication,

1887
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:35,020
integrity. I don't think anybody

1888
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:36,020
ran a campaign with trust me I

1889
01:12:36,020 --> 01:12:38,020
know it's good for you, or I do

1890
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:39,020
want to hear from you've known

1891
01:12:39,020 --> 01:12:41,020
for my opinion. Also Mr. Stork,

1892
01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:46,020
has been in the past -- I

1893
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:49,020
would've expected better

1894
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:52,020
behaviour. I'm disappointed by

1895
01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:54,020
these comments to make me feel

1896
01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:55,020
exasperated I have to stop that,

1897
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:57,020
it is not democratic,

1898
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:58,020
councillors have to listen to

1899
01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:02,080
the citizens that elected them.

1900
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,080
Now, the last extraordinary

1901
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,080
meeting of January 30th, they

1902
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,080
asked for certain councillors

1903
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:13,080
might have been talking in

1904
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,080
contact with Fairview. He was

1905
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,080
clearly upset of the comment,

1906
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,080
and spoke on behalf of all the

1907
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,080
other councillors by saying, --

1908
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,080
they knew the Mayor gave the

1909
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:29,080
opportunity for Council to -- no

1910
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:34,080
one here has ever met any

1911
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,080
representatives from Cadillac

1912
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,080
Fairview. She said no, and

1913
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,080
minutes after that, she and she

1914
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,080
might have responded to an

1915
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,080
email. A few minutes later when

1916
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,080
Councillor Cowan was asked

1917
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,080
directly he admitted it that in

1918
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,080
the 25th minute on January 30th.

1919
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,080
My question earlier Thomas is it

1920
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,040
not a good call isn't not

1921
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,040
ill-advised one or more of your

1922
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,040
council members represent the

1923
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,040
city that will be talking

1924
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privately to a developer

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corporation, --

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I've gotta say that one of the

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01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:29,040
biggest surprise to me, when I

1928
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:34,040
was first elected mayor was a

1929
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:37,040
discrepancy between what a

1930
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:38,040
perceived one around me. I was

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01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,040
told it was by my motto, do not

1932
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,040
meet with developers, it's not

1933
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,040
generally a thing to do in front

1934
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:53,040
of one. And I think early in my

1935
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:58,040
first mandate, she pointed out

1936
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,000
that she had absolutely gone out

1937
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,000
to dinner with a developer, two

1938
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,000
days before the demolition

1939
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,000
meeting. And that did seem to be

1940
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:11,000
a problem. I've seen councillors

1941
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,000
meet with representatives, and

1942
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,000
Councillor very out to the

1943
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,000
meetings. When met with one

1944
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,000
right before but we are

1945
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,000
confronted the parking lot.

1946
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,000
Person who confronted us,

1947
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:28,000
actually talk about the

1948
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,000
councillors. Maybe that's the

1949
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,000
way things are normally done,

1950
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,000
but from it's somewhat

1951
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,000
surprising. It's not what I

1952
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,000
anticipated when I got elected.

1953
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,000
I didn't think this kind of

1954
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,000
thing is standard operating

1955
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:49,000
procedure. Maybe I'm just naive.

1956
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,000
>> Miss yes Mr. Cowan?

1957
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,000
>> I'd like to point out, there

1958
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,000
is one member of Council, who is

1959
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,060
been -- for unethical manager in

1960
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:02,060
very.

1961
01:16:02,060 --> 01:16:04,060
>> The motion of censure that

1962
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:07,060
exist, it was a political stunt,

1963
01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:09,060
not expected in Canadian

1964
01:16:09,060 --> 01:16:12,060
jurisdiction. Just so you know,

1965
01:16:19,060 --> 01:16:24,060
-- I am talking, I'm talking. If

1966
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:30,060
I can replay that, and the role

1967
01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:33,060
it plays in Canadian politics

1968
01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:35,060
and government.

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01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:38,060
>> I have a commonplace.

1970
01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:41,060
>> Yes?

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01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:42,060
>> Is it that exasperating?

1972
01:16:42,060 --> 01:16:47,060
>> I kind of like to -- excuse

1973
01:16:47,060 --> 01:16:50,060
me Councillor stark.

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01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:53,060
[Inaudible]

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01:16:53,060 --> 01:16:56,060
I answer your question, and I'm

1976
01:16:56,060 --> 01:16:58,060
concerned about here, is that

1977
01:16:58,060 --> 01:16:59,060
there is becoming a debate

1978
01:16:59,060 --> 01:17:02,020
between councillors and mayors

1979
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:03,020
during a citizen question

1980
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:04,020
period. I heard you hear the

1981
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:05,020
question from the citizens, and

1982
01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:08,020
not have to debate Council and

1983
01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:10,020
father citizen, as a citizen

1984
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:13,020
question period. Now the next

1985
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:18,020
person appears --

1986
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:24,020
>> Thank you for that. I feel

1987
01:17:24,020 --> 01:17:25,020
like I have a different question

1988
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:29,020
now. I got one from before. You

1989
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:33,020
had talked about public

1990
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:34,020
participation before, in online

1991
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:35,020
questionnaires. It is thinking

1992
01:17:35,020 --> 01:17:37,020
about, it concerning the public

1993
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:39,020
participation. I like to say,

1994
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:42,020
having attended meetings in the

1995
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:43,020
pass, participation meetings,

1996
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:44,020
and I'd like something more

1997
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:48,020
concrete, let me get poster

1998
01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:51,020
notes. Quite frankly, there's no

1999
01:17:51,020 --> 01:17:52,020
guarantee south picket these

2000
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:53,020
notes, are have the impression

2001
01:17:53,020 --> 01:17:55,020
that I times, good ideas

2002
01:17:55,020 --> 01:17:58,020
getaways. I'd like to public

2003
01:17:58,020 --> 01:17:59,020
steak to have something of more

2004
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:01,080
notice. For instance, proper

2005
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,080
minutes taken of what we

2006
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:06,080
actually say. I want this is a

2007
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,080
reminder of how citizens can

2008
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:12,080
participate.

2009
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:14,080
>> Following that, on the

2010
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,080
strategic meeting at 13th, the

2011
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,080
title presented was far from

2012
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,080
normal, and that the anyone

2013
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:24,080
development vision --

2014
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,080
this, along with the manner in

2015
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,080
which the last resolution was

2016
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:34,080
passed, leads me to suspect the

2017
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,080
by passing of severe sincere

2018
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,080
citizen input. As my member of

2019
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,080
the presentation. Pointe-Claire

2020
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:44,080
was shown, I have a runny nose.

2021
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,080
>> Could you also speak a little

2022
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,080
closer to the mic, if you don't

2023
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,080
mind?

2024
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,080
>> I like I'm in a podium,

2025
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,080
actually.

2026
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,080
>> As to my memory other

2027
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,080
presentation. Pointe-Claire was

2028
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,040
shown as having 6% natural

2029
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,040
spaces. This includes all the

2030
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,040
grassy areas like the parks in

2031
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,040
the soccer fields. That might be

2032
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,040
updated, at some of those fields

2033
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,040
are now turf. 2%, I believe

2034
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,040
approximately was protected for

2035
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,040
forest. These percentages are

2036
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,040
well below the 30% natural

2037
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,040
spaces that we need to be aiming

2038
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,040
for. I'm doing that by memory,

2039
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,040
because they did, think I was

2040
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,040
under the impression of the

2041
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:25,040
slide presentation is going to

2042
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,040
be made accessible to the

2043
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,040
public, but I can't find it

2044
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,040
anywhere. As one area that could

2045
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:34,040
be posted for citizens to see.

2046
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,040
>> Which slide presentation

2047
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:37,040
referring to?

2048
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:42,040
>> I'll be on some of the 13th,

2049
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,040
strategic planning workshop.

2050
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,040
>> Proposition company, with the

2051
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,000
City, came together with also

2052
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,000
serve statistics and graphs. I

2053
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,000
had some questions concerning

2054
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,000
the statistics, just as to

2055
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,000
methodology, but I haven't been

2056
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,000
able to see it.

2057
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,000
>> So you want to re-examine

2058
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,000
them?

2059
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,000
>> Okay, perfect. Oh, my second

2060
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,000
question is just a follow-up, my

2061
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,000
question that I had in January,

2062
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,000
two metro Thibault, concerning

2063
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,000
which of the councillors had the

2064
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000
greatest number absences since

2065
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,000
2017.

2066
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,000
>> We did the calculations at

2067
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,000
the city clerk's office. We did

2068
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,000
a calculation between for

2069
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,000
Council, sitting between 70 17

2070
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,000
in today, we were able to do

2071
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,000
public meetings, Special

2072
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:51,000
meetings, and caucuses. It's

2073
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,000
very big table, so we don't

2074
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,000
bring them with us. If you do

2075
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,000
the Mayor, email blinds in

2076
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,000
writing to your question.

2077
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,000
>> Okay.

2078
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,060
>> Okay, that's perfect.

2079
01:21:01,060 --> 01:21:06,060
>> Thank you. Eric McQueen. Did

2080
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:08,060
I pronounce the name right? It's

2081
01:21:08,060 --> 01:21:13,060
about with to seize?

2082
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:19,060
>> I, a long time resident,

2083
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:22,060
first time addressing Council. I

2084
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:23,060
followed along with the webcast,

2085
01:21:23,060 --> 01:21:25,060
and I think it's probably time

2086
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:27,060
to stop lurking, and maybe give

2087
01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:28,060
a commenter to. My first

2088
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:30,060
comment, a couple of comments on

2089
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:33,060
that question. First question is

2090
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:35,060
two councillors. I appreciate

2091
01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:36,060
your work, I know that all of

2092
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:40,060
you are here out of a sense of

2093
01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:44,060
doing the best for the city. And

2094
01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:46,060
that also goes for our workers

2095
01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:49,060
in the city, we all appreciate

2096
01:21:49,060 --> 01:21:51,060
how the snow has been cleared

2097
01:21:51,060 --> 01:21:56,060
better every year. We appreciate

2098
01:21:57,060 --> 01:21:58,060
the recreation, facilities we

2099
01:21:58,060 --> 01:21:59,060
appreciate many aspects of

2100
01:21:59,060 --> 01:22:02,020
living here. And we look for it

2101
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:04,020
to the spring, when the asphalt

2102
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:09,020
will come back, and repair our

2103
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:14,020
roads. I'm particularly

2104
01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:17,020
interested in, an environment of

2105
01:22:17,020 --> 01:22:19,020
our city. I support the

2106
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:23,020
protection of Fairview forest,

2107
01:22:23,020 --> 01:22:27,020
and another green space like

2108
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:28,020
Ponner Woods, which I'm

2109
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:30,020
particularly fond of. With

2110
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:33,020
regard to the resolution that

2111
01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:34,020
the council's pastime

2112
01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:35,020
supportive. I spent several

2113
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:38,020
years, decades advocating for

2114
01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:39,020
human rights and social

2115
01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:41,020
safeguards, a places like the

2116
01:22:41,020 --> 01:22:45,020
IMF, the world bank, Department

2117
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:48,020
of Finance in Ottawa. And I know

2118
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:50,020
that you don't progress if you

2119
01:22:50,020 --> 01:22:54,020
don't engage, we have to engage,

2120
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:58,020
that's why largely and support

2121
01:22:58,020 --> 01:23:00,080
the resolution. My question

2122
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,080
regards the environment, I'm

2123
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,080
curious about where the

2124
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,080
environment committee is going,

2125
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,080
what its mandate is, what its

2126
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:15,080
focus is. So my question is to

2127
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:19,080
Council with a guard. Councillor

2128
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:24,080
Cowan. Two Kelly

2129
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,080
Thorstad-Cullen. Who's engaged

2130
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,080
in that committee, and asked her

2131
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,080
for an update on the environment

2132
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:35,080
committee.

2133
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,080
>> Thank you very much for a

2134
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,080
question, I do want to

2135
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,080
highlight, just reassure you,

2136
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,080
then in the previous

2137
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,080
administration, all available

2138
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,080
green spaces that belong to the

2139
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,080
city were protected, and cannot

2140
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,080
be developed on, so if we owned

2141
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,080
it we protected it so to

2142
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,080
reassure those come up a few

2143
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,080
times, the eighth anything we

2144
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,080
have the power to protect it has

2145
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,080
been protected and will

2146
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,080
certainly work on protecting as

2147
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,040
much as we can. I would say that

2148
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,040
every member of Council sitting

2149
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,040
at this table is committed to

2150
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,040
doing that for the environment

2151
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,040
committee, we actually are

2152
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,040
having our next meeting tomorrow

2153
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,040
evening. And I think I've said

2154
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,040
this before, it's a very robust

2155
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,040
group, as we know if you read or

2156
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,040
sustainable development policy,

2157
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,040
there are so many different

2158
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,040
categories, as was mentioned,

2159
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:23,040
there's air, there's water,

2160
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:27,040
there's waste management. There

2161
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,040
is canopy, forests, et cetera.

2162
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:34,040
So what we did in late 2022, was

2163
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:35,040
asked the committee to

2164
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,040
prioritize what they felt was

2165
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,040
the most challenging issues

2166
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,040
facing our city, and every give

2167
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,040
the feedback that, and we did a

2168
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,040
table, and came up with what

2169
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,040
would be our focus in 2022, or

2170
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,040
2023, apologies. The reason for

2171
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,040
that is when you get all these

2172
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,040
passionate, committed vigils

2173
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,040
around the table, it can go

2174
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,040
anywhere. We wanted to have more

2175
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,000
of an issue I'll say, and have

2176
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,000
deliverables that we can share

2177
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,000
with community. For 2020, three

2178
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,000
we're focusing on water, because

2179
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,000
it's a very, special precious

2180
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,000
resource. And there is a new

2181
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,000
guideline from Québec, and how

2182
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,000
we can work with water

2183
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,000
conservation, protecting our

2184
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:20,000
water sources that are there.

2185
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,000
And then to bring back and see

2186
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,000
where we can impact. There's

2187
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,000
different cramps coming from

2188
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,000
Hydro-Québec, for water

2189
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,000
conservation. We can always

2190
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,000
practical for citizens, what's

2191
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:36,000
more global, we need to be

2192
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:40,000
policy changes. -- some of the

2193
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:45,000
developments of our special

2194
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,000
committees. That made, said with

2195
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,000
water being the primary source,

2196
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:55,000
we have items that are available

2197
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,000
as they come up, and we need

2198
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,000
opinions of the Environment

2199
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,000
committee, or if they it comes

2200
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,060
they bring it to us and we put

2201
01:26:02,060 --> 01:26:06,060
it on for discussion, that's

2202
01:26:06,060 --> 01:26:08,060
more timely. So so we are

2203
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:10,060
working on everything we, can

2204
01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:13,060
even looking at City bylaws,

2205
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:14,060
when you should be water in

2206
01:26:14,060 --> 01:26:16,060
your, Lance just to make sure

2207
01:26:16,060 --> 01:26:17,060
that Pointe-Claire is as

2208
01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:19,060
responsible as possible with

2209
01:26:19,060 --> 01:26:20,060
water preservation. That's for

2210
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:22,060
2023, a previous project that

2211
01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:23,060
they worked on and put an

2212
01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:25,060
enormous amount of effort into,

2213
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:28,060
was to look at our recent splash

2214
01:26:28,060 --> 01:26:29,060
park that went into place

2215
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:31,060
that'll gust of park, and

2216
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:32,060
whether that should be

2217
01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:33,060
continuous flow or recycled

2218
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:35,060
flow, and a whole report

2219
01:26:35,060 --> 01:26:37,060
evaluating all the impacts from

2220
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:38,060
a sustainable perspective, and

2221
01:26:38,060 --> 01:26:42,060
give us the recommendation, so

2222
01:26:42,060 --> 01:26:45,060
that we as a city are making the

2223
01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:47,060
best possible decisions for

2224
01:26:47,060 --> 01:26:52,060
citizens, with expertise feeding

2225
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:59,060
into that..

2226
01:27:00,020 --> 01:27:01,020
>> I think would be great if

2227
01:27:01,020 --> 01:27:03,020
more the activity could be

2228
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:05,020
shared on the website. One final

2229
01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:09,020
note, I do admire the stamina of

2230
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:11,020
all your folks on Council,

2231
01:27:11,020 --> 01:27:13,020
having watched meetings over

2232
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:16,020
several nights, thank you.

2233
01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:19,020
>> Mister Mayor, if I may just

2234
01:27:19,020 --> 01:27:23,020
respond here, comments and just

2235
01:27:23,020 --> 01:27:27,020
a backup councillor,

2236
01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:29,020
Thorstad-Cullen. I don't know

2237
01:27:29,020 --> 01:27:30,020
where you, and there you are. I

2238
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:34,020
was just reading recently, that

2239
01:27:34,020 --> 01:27:37,020
we have available to us all the

2240
01:27:37,020 --> 01:27:38,020
technological means, and the

2241
01:27:38,020 --> 01:27:39,020
policy tools and everything we

2242
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:41,020
need, to start making a

2243
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:43,020
difference on the environment.

2244
01:27:43,020 --> 01:27:44,020
Number one problem be climate

2245
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:46,020
change, and the greatest

2246
01:27:46,020 --> 01:27:48,020
difficulties that we have today,

2247
01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:50,020
our speed as a society, to be

2248
01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:52,020
able to get this going. In other

2249
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:54,020
words, the same issues we have

2250
01:27:54,020 --> 01:27:56,020
in terms of keeping an, shape

2251
01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:59,020
dropping bad habits, are present

2252
01:27:59,020 --> 01:28:01,080
in society. So that those

2253
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,080
commitments, they need to make

2254
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,080
to yourself, keep yourself

2255
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:05,080
healthy, also commitments we

2256
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,080
need to make socially. The

2257
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,080
difficulty is, how do you nudge,

2258
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,080
how do you convince the society

2259
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,080
to move forward on these kinds

2260
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:15,080
of things, it's very important.

2261
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:19,080
I don't think we're going fast

2262
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,080
enough. Here in those studies,

2263
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:27,080
in my mind, made me think that

2264
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,080
my instinctive reaction that

2265
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,080
we're not moving quickly besides

2266
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,080
seeing all the data that we

2267
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,080
presented with every day. Is we

2268
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:36,080
simply aren't moving along as

2269
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,080
rapidly as we should be. I would

2270
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,080
encourage, you if the

2271
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:42,080
environment is central to some

2272
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,080
of your preoccupations, is to

2273
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:49,080
keep pushing

2274
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:53,080
-- it all for the provincial

2275
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:57,080
governments, and federal

2276
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,080
governments is important people

2277
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:59,080
stand up that people stand up,

2278
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:00,040
and ask for a difference.

2279
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:04,040
There's a lot of, talk constant

2280
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,040
talks about -- what's talking to

2281
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,040
another councillor about called

2282
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,040
15 meeting, and only thing that

2283
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,040
would change retain this cost 15

2284
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,040
mini, or whatever they've

2285
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,040
assigned to biodiversity, and

2286
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,040
the next one, is that the

2287
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:18,040
percentage of

2288
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,040
other birds implant flora, will

2289
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,040
just be falling lower and lower

2290
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:23,040
and lower. So we're doing a lot

2291
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,040
of talking, and we're not acting

2292
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,040
rapidly on the source of, things

2293
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,040
I want to see that happen more

2294
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,040
effectively. Tons of

2295
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,040
greenwashing going, on pay

2296
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,040
tension in terms of all the

2297
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,040
developments, what we're doing

2298
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,040
here is a city, and

2299
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,040
provincially, we need to get

2300
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,040
cracking on the stuff. So I

2301
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,040
appreciate your question today.

2302
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,040
Thank you.

2303
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:49,040
>> David Johnson?

2304
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,040
>> David Johnston, district one.

2305
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,000
>>

2306
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:47,000
Alors du 15 mars.

2307
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:52,000
I had thought, what can we do to

2308
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:58,000
offset the -- lack of trust,

2309
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,060
among some people, about

2310
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:01,060
discussions between the city and

2311
01:31:01,060 --> 01:31:06,060
Cadillac Fairview. And I noticed

2312
01:31:07,060 --> 01:31:09,060
that, with the river vision of

2313
01:31:09,060 --> 01:31:11,060
the urban plan, there is a

2314
01:31:11,060 --> 01:31:14,060
consultation in 2019, online

2315
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:19,060
survey, 350 people. Citizen

2316
01:31:23,060 --> 01:31:24,060
participation of 70 people in

2317
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:29,060
workshops,. C'est à peu près ça

2318
01:31:29,060 --> 01:31:31,060
qu'on propose de refaire. I

2319
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:34,060
don't know how representative

2320
01:31:34,060 --> 01:31:38,060
those 350 people were, in 2019.

2321
01:31:38,060 --> 01:31:42,060
I worry that maybe the people

2322
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:46,060
who jumped into this upcoming

2323
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:50,060
consultation may or may not be

2324
01:31:51,060 --> 01:31:53,060
representative the views of a

2325
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:56,060
wider cross section of the city.

2326
01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:59,060
That's gonna be a difficult

2327
01:31:59,060 --> 01:32:03,020
thing. But I'd also like to see

2328
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:06,020
some mechanism in the public

2329
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:08,020
consultation, some kind of an

2330
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:11,020
inbox, where citizens could ask

2331
01:32:11,020 --> 01:32:16,020
questions, where they could get

2332
01:32:17,020 --> 01:32:18,020
questions answered of a

2333
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:20,020
relatively factual nature. For

2334
01:32:20,020 --> 01:32:23,020
example, I'm not sure who gets

2335
01:32:23,020 --> 01:32:25,020
the last say on how high

2336
01:32:25,020 --> 01:32:30,020
buildings can be. I've heard no,

2337
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:33,020
they can build as high as the

2338
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:34,020
airplanes -- who decides in the

2339
01:32:34,020 --> 01:32:37,020
end? Is it the City or not?

2340
01:32:37,020 --> 01:32:39,020
That's a factual question. There

2341
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:40,020
are political questions, but

2342
01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:42,020
that's a factual question. One

2343
01:32:42,020 --> 01:32:44,020
can imagine questions that you

2344
01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:48,020
may have. I mean, these are

2345
01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:50,020
difficult issues to understand,

2346
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:52,020
many of us may have some pretty

2347
01:32:52,020 --> 01:32:54,020
simple questions, to clarify our

2348
01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:56,020
understanding, I'd like to see

2349
01:32:56,020 --> 01:32:58,020
some kind of inbox. I suppose

2350
01:32:58,020 --> 01:33:00,080
the biggest question I'd have,

2351
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,080
is what does it really take to

2352
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,080
get some kind of an answer when

2353
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:09,080
we say protect the forest -- I

2354
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:14,080
does that mean that in the end

2355
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:19,080
I. A levy of --

2356
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,080
Si oui, par? Qu'il y avait cette

2357
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,080
résolution de contrôle

2358
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,080
intermédiaire de la Communauté

2359
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:28,080
métropolitaine de Montréal en

2360
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:33,080
avril dernier. It's a temporary

2361
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,080
one but the resolution says it

2362
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:39,080
is only gonna be in place, until

2363
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:42,080
the metropolitan government

2364
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,080
finishes zone land use plan.

2365
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:45,080
After, that it only becomes

2366
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:46,080
permanent at the request of the

2367
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,080
owner, where the request of the

2368
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,080
city. To buy some property from

2369
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,080
the owner. That raises the

2370
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,080
question, of how much would it

2371
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,080
cost, four point cleared by that

2372
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,040
forest. And who would pay for

2373
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:06,040
it? Beaconsfield, got

2374
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,040
14 million. That's equal to 25%

2375
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,040
of the Beaconsfield budget of 54

2376
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:18,040
million. That's a lot of money.

2377
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:22,040
How much is the forest worth? We

2378
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,040
know that the vice president

2379
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,040
have Cadillac Fairview, said

2380
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,040
shortly after the protests, that

2381
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:31,040
a real estate conference that we

2382
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,040
pay a little more than $5 per

2383
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,040
square foot. I see online and

2384
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:39,040
it's 50 acres. 50 acres is about

2385
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,040
2.2 million square feet. So

2386
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,040
maybe they paid 11 million.

2387
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:47,040
Maybe the value has doubled

2388
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,040
today in the past ten years. 22

2389
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,040
million would be about 15% of

2390
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,040
Pointe-Claire's budget of 175

2391
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:59,040
million. I think I'd be happier

2392
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:00,000
with the preservation of the

2393
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,000
forest, if metropolitan

2394
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,000
taxpayers play for the it in, in

2395
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,000
Beaconsfield's case, I would be

2396
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:11,000
good to see. But, one of the

2397
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,000
questions we need answered and

2398
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:18,000
call stations is, does the city

2399
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:23,000
know, as the city asked the

2400
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,000
metropolitan government, will be

2401
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,000
prepared to pay the cost of the

2402
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:31,000
acquisition of the forest. At

2403
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,000
the end of that resolution, the

2404
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,000
press release put out by the

2405
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,000
CNN, they said we don't have the

2406
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,000
money, we need more money from

2407
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,000
the government of Québec. So

2408
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,000
we'll see next most provincial

2409
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,000
budget, whether that money is

2410
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:48,000
there. -- the taxpayers will

2411
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,000
have to, know if the cost falls

2412
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,000
on us, what will be the per

2413
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,000
capita cost to buy the forest?

2414
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,000
>> Questions like this, I think

2415
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,060
we need to have, a clearer

2416
01:36:01,060 --> 01:36:04,060
understanding, instead of to

2417
01:36:04,060 --> 01:36:06,060
make the debate a little bit

2418
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:07,060
more three-dimensional than it

2419
01:36:07,060 --> 01:36:11,060
has been already. So, my

2420
01:36:11,060 --> 01:36:14,060
suggestion is for some kind of a

2421
01:36:14,060 --> 01:36:16,060
mechanism, to capture questions

2422
01:36:16,060 --> 01:36:21,060
from the population. Maybe to

2423
01:36:22,060 --> 01:36:24,060
have frequently asked questions,

2424
01:36:24,060 --> 01:36:28,060
and maybe a background or

2425
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:29,060
explaining what Pointe-Claire is

2426
01:36:29,060 --> 01:36:34,060
doing, and how it's connected to

2427
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:40,060
-- programme métropolitain

2428
01:36:40,060 --> 01:36:41,060
d'aménagement et de

2429
01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:43,060
développement. And how that is

2430
01:36:43,060 --> 01:36:45,060
connected to the ankle bone --

2431
01:36:45,060 --> 01:36:48,060
no, the main bone, which is what

2432
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:49,060
the Québec government will be

2433
01:36:49,060 --> 01:36:51,060
deciding in the next few months,

2434
01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:54,060
in terms of its own changes, its

2435
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:56,060
own policies. So it's not enough

2436
01:36:56,060 --> 01:36:59,060
to have public consultations, as

2437
01:36:59,060 --> 01:37:01,020
much as a company with a greater

2438
01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:02,020
understanding of what the issues

2439
01:37:02,020 --> 01:37:06,020
are. And I, think as some people

2440
01:37:06,020 --> 01:37:07,020
as mentioned, that there's

2441
01:37:07,020 --> 01:37:08,020
confusion over some of the

2442
01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:09,020
statements that have been made,

2443
01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:12,020
to the extent that we can

2444
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:15,020
clarify the factual case, let's

2445
01:37:15,020 --> 01:37:17,020
try to do that, and recognizes

2446
01:37:17,020 --> 01:37:20,020
some questions our political not

2447
01:37:20,020 --> 01:37:22,020
factual. Let's try to improve

2448
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:24,020
the general understanding, of

2449
01:37:24,020 --> 01:37:26,020
the population on some of these

2450
01:37:26,020 --> 01:37:31,020
strictly factual issues.

2451
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:33,020
>> Okay, those are expensive

2452
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:35,020
sessions, is there a question

2453
01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:37,020
that Mr. Johnson? Is a

2454
01:37:37,020 --> 01:37:38,020
suggestion, are we doing any of

2455
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:39,020
the above?

2456
01:37:39,020 --> 01:37:43,020
>> Has the city asked the

2457
01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:44,020
metropolitan government, whether

2458
01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:48,020
we'll be willing to pay the cost

2459
01:37:48,020 --> 01:37:50,020
of the forest. And we got no

2460
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:54,020
reply?

2461
01:37:54,020 --> 01:37:57,020
>> Well, Madam Guilbault, can we

2462
01:37:57,020 --> 01:37:58,020
on a reveal the response.

2463
01:37:58,020 --> 01:37:59,020
>> Déjà écrit

2464
01:37:59,020 --> 01:38:00,080
(inaudible)

2465
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:01,080
(---)

2466
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:02,080
. We wrote, but we don't have an

2467
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,080
answer yet exactly, with the

2468
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:04,080
program. So we have to apply to

2469
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,080
some program, but we are still

2470
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,080
at that stage. But we have

2471
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,080
talked with a salmon.

2472
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:12,080
>> So you've talked to them --

2473
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,080
>> Yet, but we don't have any

2474
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,080
answer, yes or no right now.

2475
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,080
>> Not a conclusive answer?

2476
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,080
>> That's good, that's

2477
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:21,080
encouraging for those that want

2478
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,080
to save the forest.

2479
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:24,080
>> There's a letter to Madam

2480
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:27,080
Plante, that we are following up

2481
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,080
on following the discussion of

2482
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:30,080
the seamen, but the two are

2483
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,080
connected. And to answer your

2484
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,080
other question, prior to the RCI

2485
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,080
E as, they can go as high as

2486
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,080
knocking out of the sky, there

2487
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,080
is no height restrictions part

2488
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,080
of the RCMP. But I think your

2489
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,080
ideas are, great actually, and

2490
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,080
would allow for a quorum in the

2491
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,080
process. How much time do we

2492
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:54,080
have?

2493
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:58,080
>> Eight minutes.

2494
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,040
>> -- sorry, it's the way he

2495
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,040
wrote it. Owen van.

2496
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,040
>> Ask Brook.

2497
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:06,040
>> Okay, thank you sir. Sorry

2498
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,040
about that.

2499
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,040
>> Okay, and my question will

2500
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:13,040
not be about Cadillac Fairview.

2501
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,040
Kansas City investigate clearing

2502
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:16,040
the bike lanes during the

2503
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:18,040
winter?

2504
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:23,040
>> Good question.

2505
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,040
>> I know there's reasons why,

2506
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:28,040
some of them can't be cleared.

2507
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,040
As improper drainage, showing

2508
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:34,040
you can't. And what can be done

2509
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:35,040
to retrofit those to be able to

2510
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:38,040
be used, because --

2511
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:45,040
It is,, it can be part of the

2512
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:47,040
future environmental policies of

2513
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:48,040
the city.

2514
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,040
>> It's a great question. We

2515
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,040
tackle did last year, sort of

2516
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,040
the budgeting priority last year

2517
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:57,040
was to do the walk paths in the

2518
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,040
ski trails but, mostly the walk

2519
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,000
paths in all the parks. A lot of

2520
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,000
the budget went to those. They

2521
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,000
were prioritized over the

2522
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,000
bicycle paths. The other thing

2523
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,000
was that by salting the bike

2524
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:12,000
paths it would be detrimental to

2525
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,000
the asphalt which is a public

2526
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,000
works. However going forward by

2527
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:17,000
transit is a thing of the

2528
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,000
future. For six months of the

2529
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,000
year five months of the year

2530
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:25,000
where under snow. So we are a

2531
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:26,000
lot eliminating those bike paths

2532
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,000
which are there for a good hunk

2533
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,000
of the year. It's definitely

2534
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,000
food for thought.

2535
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,000
>> I'm using the lane on Del

2536
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,000
Mar. Half of the days I have to

2537
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:39,000
go into the car lane because

2538
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,000
there is simply too much snow.

2539
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,000
>> Well you're making a fine

2540
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,000
point and we will have to tackle

2541
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,000
that going forward, because

2542
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:49,000
increase bike of bicycle uses in

2543
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,000
the winter is a reality. I agree

2544
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,000
with you. It's food for thought,

2545
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,000
and we will definitely be on

2546
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,000
that one.

2547
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,000
>> Madame Verdon do you have any

2548
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,060
comments? I know you are pro

2549
01:41:00,060 --> 01:41:03,060
bike paths as well. Do you have

2550
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:08,060
any factual information

2551
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:11,060
>> I know that we are working on

2552
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:15,060
some solutions for next year,

2553
01:41:15,060 --> 01:41:17,060
but we look at all the equipment

2554
01:41:17,060 --> 01:41:18,060
we have the equipment and

2555
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:21,060
everything, and we will open

2556
01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:23,060
some of the bike paths next

2557
01:41:23,060 --> 01:41:26,060
year. We will try.

2558
01:41:26,060 --> 01:41:28,060
>> It's on our minds. Thank you.

2559
01:41:28,060 --> 01:41:33,060
It's a very good point.

2560
01:41:34,060 --> 01:41:37,060
>> Maria Benner vetoes?

2561
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:16,020
[Inaudible]

2562
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:26,020
>> Okay.

2563
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:30,020
>> Good evening, Mister Mayor,

2564
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:32,020
City Council members. I have

2565
01:42:32,020 --> 01:42:33,020
thought long and hard on this

2566
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:36,020
question, and would like to know

2567
01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:38,020
your insights on this as

2568
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:43,020
follows. A request to new

2569
01:42:44,020 --> 01:42:45,020
Pointe-Claire development

2570
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:48,020
planning, especially with

2571
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:50,020
regulars to the zones of anyone

2572
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:54,020
and when you do in -- I have

2573
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:57,020
seen and felt that most of the

2574
01:42:57,020 --> 01:43:00,080
fine Pointe-Claire citizens

2575
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,080
included those that the post

2576
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,080
development are perhaps not

2577
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:05,080
properly educated. As we would

2578
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:08,080
like to be when we should be

2579
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,080
with reference to what our City

2580
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,080
Council, because I believe most

2581
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:16,080
of the councillors that we

2582
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,080
citizens have been listening

2583
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:21,080
seems to me it is because

2584
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,080
processes and inclinations are

2585
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:27,080
planned in sort of a -- rather

2586
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:30,080
than naming terms. So it gives

2587
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:33,080
way to different kinds of

2588
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:34,080
interpretation from people who

2589
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:37,080
do not know the conventions of

2590
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:41,080
the CP and -- it's I do not ask

2591
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:44,080
how you process this and

2592
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,080
protocols are or how they work

2593
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,080
in order to understand what our

2594
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,080
city does and what they do. A

2595
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:54,080
lot of people work at their jobs

2596
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:56,080
and raise their kids and pay

2597
01:43:56,080 --> 01:44:00,040
their taxes. And I think that

2598
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:02,040
the City could at least try, if

2599
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,040
they want, if they want their

2600
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:08,040
citizens to collaborate and

2601
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,040
participate and to work together

2602
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:14,040
with the City is to make this

2603
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,040
processes at least easier. To

2604
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:21,040
understand and to make way for

2605
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,040
perspective potato of democracy.

2606
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,040
I'm sorry. Participate of

2607
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:27,040
democracy.

2608
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,040
>> I have a bit of problems with

2609
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:32,040
pronunciation. I hope you

2610
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:35,040
understood. And anyway, so my

2611
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:39,040
question is, is there anything

2612
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:42,040
specific, perhaps maybe that

2613
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:44,040
could make more clearly aware of

2614
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,040
and understand the processes of

2615
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,040
why they need to be done and

2616
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:51,040
where we are at with reverence

2617
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:54,040
two important things such as the

2618
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:56,040
development procedures and

2619
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:58,040
stages. We are going through in

2620
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:03,000
our city. Perhaps we need a

2621
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,000
commendation -- on planning

2622
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:12,000
terms for City bylaws. Maybe

2623
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,000
also doing informational work

2624
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,000
shop such as the workshop where

2625
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:22,000
I attended last December. With

2626
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,000
affirmed contracted by the City

2627
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,000
in which only 20 interested

2628
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:32,000
people attended. But it was very

2629
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:33,000
educational, even though there

2630
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:38,000
were only 20 people there. And I

2631
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:44,000
learned so much. -- even though

2632
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,000
they're only 20 people there it

2633
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:49,000
would also put up maybe some

2634
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:53,000
kind of -- of the workshops for

2635
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,000
everyone to see. And that was my

2636
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:01,060
question. I have another second

2637
01:46:01,060 --> 01:46:02,060
question. Maybe you would like

2638
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:04,060
to answer my first question

2639
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:08,060
first.

2640
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:10,060
[Inaudible]

2641
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:12,060
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. No,

2642
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:17,060
no, that's okay. I think that

2643
01:46:19,060 --> 01:46:20,060
citizen participation is

2644
01:46:20,060 --> 01:46:21,060
crucial. You are making a good

2645
01:46:21,060 --> 01:46:24,060
point. A lot of what you saw,

2646
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:25,060
the process you are part of,

2647
01:46:25,060 --> 01:46:28,060
there were only 20 people, which

2648
01:46:28,060 --> 01:46:31,060
is a disappointment. We talk

2649
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:34,060
about citizen participation but

2650
01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:35,060
actually giving people to come

2651
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:37,060
out and do it is a whole other

2652
01:46:37,060 --> 01:46:40,060
thing. People who are making

2653
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:42,060
reference earlier in the evening

2654
01:46:42,060 --> 01:46:44,060
about post it's. One woman was

2655
01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:46,060
talking about putting posts up

2656
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:47,060
on the wall. And do you feel

2657
01:46:47,060 --> 01:46:49,060
like it's actually happening? I

2658
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:52,060
think your point about video

2659
01:46:52,060 --> 01:46:55,060
conferencing, getting it

2660
01:46:55,060 --> 01:46:57,060
documented and public sizing is

2661
01:46:57,060 --> 01:47:00,020
hugely important to the process.

2662
01:47:00,020 --> 01:47:02,020
And I think that you can never

2663
01:47:02,020 --> 01:47:04,020
do enough of it, that part of

2664
01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:08,020
it. And hopefully we get a good

2665
01:47:08,020 --> 01:47:10,020
representation of citizens if we

2666
01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:13,020
do so. Your concern is

2667
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:15,020
absolutely key to the process.

2668
01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:16,020
You're absolutely right. If we

2669
01:47:16,020 --> 01:47:20,020
don't get that participation, we

2670
01:47:20,020 --> 01:47:21,020
don't make something that

2671
01:47:21,020 --> 01:47:24,020
reflects the public well. And as

2672
01:47:24,020 --> 01:47:27,020
was also referred to, a question

2673
01:47:27,020 --> 01:47:29,020
or two ago, we worry about

2674
01:47:29,020 --> 01:47:32,020
getting only those who are in

2675
01:47:32,020 --> 01:47:34,020
that's, only the zealots, people

2676
01:47:34,020 --> 01:47:36,020
who are very focused on it. How

2677
01:47:36,020 --> 01:47:38,020
do we get people who are working

2678
01:47:38,020 --> 01:47:40,020
every day, who don't have time

2679
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:41,020
or who are busy raising

2680
01:47:41,020 --> 01:47:43,020
children? How do we get their

2681
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:45,020
input? And that has always been

2682
01:47:45,020 --> 01:47:47,020
the problem with participatory

2683
01:47:47,020 --> 01:47:49,020
democracy, is that it tends to

2684
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:52,020
favour those who have time.

2685
01:47:52,020 --> 01:47:54,020
Those who have time to be people

2686
01:47:54,020 --> 01:47:57,020
who are of affluence or who

2687
01:47:57,020 --> 01:47:58,020
aren't necessarily as time

2688
01:47:58,020 --> 01:47:59,020
constraint is someone who is

2689
01:47:59,020 --> 01:48:01,080
working all the time. So it's

2690
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,080
really hard because

2691
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:04,080
participation is biased, in a

2692
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,080
way, to those who have luxury

2693
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:09,080
and the luxury of time. I have

2694
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:11,080
often said we are not equal in

2695
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,080
our ability to be political. We

2696
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,080
are not equal. Some people have

2697
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,080
greater ability to be political.

2698
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:20,080
So it's an issue. It's always an

2699
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,080
issue with citizen

2700
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,080
participation. I was involved

2701
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:28,080
with political conventions, and

2702
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,080
it's not the 70s, I think it was

2703
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:32,080
80s, it was a long time ago.

2704
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:34,080
They would actually subsidized

2705
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,080
to try to counteract buy it by

2706
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:38,080
is they would subsidized to get

2707
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:42,080
people to come to political

2708
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:43,080
conventions. But even giving

2709
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,080
money they still couldn't go

2710
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:46,080
because they couldn't afford to

2711
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,080
lose the time away from work. So

2712
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,080
the solution is a real

2713
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:54,080
challenge. I think that our

2714
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,080
improved technology is part of

2715
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,080
the solution. I really do. I

2716
01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:00,040
think we can use technology as

2717
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:01,040
part of the solution to the

2718
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,040
issue of getting people were

2719
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:04,040
involved.

2720
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:08,040
>> May add to your comment? Just

2721
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:11,040
because you also asked about

2722
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,040
access to the information for

2723
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:15,040
citizens and their comprehension

2724
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:18,040
of it, I just wanted to add that

2725
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:22,040
we are looking at creating one

2726
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,040
pagers, since the sizing

2727
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,040
information indigestible amounts

2728
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:31,040
so citizens can read a bit and

2729
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:33,040
then understand everything that

2730
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:35,040
we are all talking about all the

2731
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,040
time because it can be very

2732
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:40,040
confusing and so as we move

2733
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:41,040
forward that is one of the

2734
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:45,040
things that our urban planning

2735
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,040
department is talking about

2736
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:51,040
doing with the consultations is

2737
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:53,040
creating digestible, easily

2738
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,040
accessible, paragraphs, so to

2739
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:59,040
speak, or pages that talk about

2740
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:00,000
different challenges, different

2741
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,000
types of development, et cetera,

2742
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,000
it's a draft, that are related

2743
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,000
to the urban plan.

2744
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:14,000
>> Okay.

2745
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:17,000
>> Okay, thank you very much.

2746
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:21,000
You really really understood the

2747
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:25,000
answers. And okay. So this is

2748
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:29,000
what I mean like for example

2749
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,000
it's not only just the people

2750
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,000
who have jobs and don't have

2751
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:36,000
time to listen or whatever it's

2752
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,000
just terms, like technical terms

2753
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:42,000
for example most people may have

2754
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,000
trouble understanding what CDP

2755
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:49,000
means, what development means.

2756
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:54,000
They have difficulty and the way

2757
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:57,000
how I understand it, I know that

2758
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:58,000
it's a document that you guys

2759
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:01,060
have to do. It's a document you

2760
01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:05,060
guys have to do. I am sorry.

2761
01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:08,060
[Laughter]

2762
01:51:08,060 --> 01:51:11,060
But so this is what I'm trying

2763
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:15,060
to say. Maybe if Council can

2764
01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:17,060
make the process easier for

2765
01:51:17,060 --> 01:51:21,060
people to understand, maybe

2766
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:26,060
better with a document, -- so

2767
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:30,060
that people can understand. And

2768
01:51:30,060 --> 01:51:33,060
my second question, can you

2769
01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:34,060
answer my second question

2770
01:51:34,060 --> 01:51:38,060
please? My second question is,

2771
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:39,060
can Pointe-Claire be able to get

2772
01:51:39,060 --> 01:51:42,060
ourselves into the list of

2773
01:51:42,060 --> 01:51:44,060
cities that have Shakespeare in

2774
01:51:44,060 --> 01:51:45,060
the park? Shakespeare in the

2775
01:51:45,060 --> 01:51:47,060
park, I believe we are the only

2776
01:51:47,060 --> 01:51:49,060
city in the West Island that

2777
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:51,060
does not have Shakespeare in the

2778
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:54,060
park. So that citizens can enjoy

2779
01:51:54,060 --> 01:51:58,060
the plays of Shakespeare. The

2780
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:00,020
summer we had to travel long

2781
01:52:00,020 --> 01:52:04,020
distance to another city to have

2782
01:52:04,020 --> 01:52:05,020
this.

2783
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:10,020
>> Okay.

2784
01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:15,020
>> I love your question. I would

2785
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:16,020
love to have Shakespeare in the

2786
01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:18,020
park in Pointe-Claire. I would

2787
01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:20,020
also like to have porch vest. Do

2788
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:23,020
you know what porch vest is?

2789
01:52:23,020 --> 01:52:26,020
It's in Hudson and NDG, it's Ian

2790
01:52:26,020 --> 01:52:30,020
Hudson, and NDG, where they

2791
01:52:30,020 --> 01:52:32,020
publicized an address in the

2792
01:52:32,020 --> 01:52:34,020
city and people on their front

2793
01:52:34,020 --> 01:52:35,020
porch play music and everybody

2794
01:52:35,020 --> 01:52:38,020
goes to it. In NDG they have

2795
01:52:38,020 --> 01:52:40,020
Shakespeare in park and ports

2796
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:42,020
vest, and I missed them both. I

2797
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:44,020
think that the park at the

2798
01:52:44,020 --> 01:52:46,020
corner of Cartier and Lakeshore,

2799
01:52:46,020 --> 01:52:49,020
I would love to have a stage

2800
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:52,020
there during the summer. These

2801
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:54,020
are just brainstorming thoughts.

2802
01:52:54,020 --> 01:52:55,020
These are just ideas, but I

2803
01:52:55,020 --> 01:52:57,020
would love to maybe have theatre

2804
01:52:57,020 --> 01:53:01,080
one week and music the next for

2805
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:06,080
the kids or for people on summer

2806
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:09,080
weekends. It would be great. And

2807
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:12,080
I love the idea and we will

2808
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:13,080
brainstorming, but I think it's

2809
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:15,080
a great idea. I've seen

2810
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:16,080
Shakespeare in the park. I love

2811
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,080
it. I would love to have in

2812
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:19,080
Pointe-Claire. Porch vest, as

2813
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:21,080
well. Porch first is really

2814
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:26,080
cool. Thank you. How are we for

2815
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:29,080
time? That's it?

2816
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:30,080
>> Thank you very much.

2817
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:31,080
>> My pleasure.

2818
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:33,080
>> We exceeded the time.

2819
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:34,080
>> I'm sorry for those who

2820
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,080
haven't got to ask questions. We

2821
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,080
apologize. Oh, thanks, that was

2822
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,080
great. I'm sorry for those of

2823
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:43,080
you who waited and hopefully the

2824
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:44,080
questions can be brought to the

2825
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:49,080
next meeting. Our apologies.

2826
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:52,080
Because there are four more, not

2827
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,080
just one, otherwise I would try

2828
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:59,080
and do it.

2829
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:03,040
>> 5.1?

2830
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:04,040
>> Mr.? Mayor I'm sorry, perhaps

2831
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:05,040
you could tell them they could

2832
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:08,040
email their question in to the

2833
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:10,040
Councillors or to yourself.

2834
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:11,040
>> Okay.

2835
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:12,040
>> Those they didn't ask your

2836
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:13,040
questions, you can always email

2837
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:14,040
them to the Councillors or to

2838
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:19,040
myself. Okay.

2839
01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:22,040
- 5. 1 Avis de motion et dépôt

2840
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:23,040
d'un projet de règlement

2841
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:24,040
décrétant un emprunt à long

2842
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:25,040
terme et une dépense en

2843
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:27,040
immobilisations de 3650 000 $

2844
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:28,040
pour le remplacement et

2845
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:33,040
l'acquisition de véhicules et

2846
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:35,040
d'équipements. un règlement

2847
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,040
comprenant divers achats de même

2848
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,040
nature et de même durée

2849
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:40,040
d'ampleur: le remplacement et la

2850
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:42,040
mise en jour de parc et de

2851
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:43,040
véhicules, l'acquisition de

2852
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:44,040
nouveaux véhicules et d'outils

2853
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:45,040
pour le nouvel atelier

2854
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:50,040
mécanique. Le montant sera

2855
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,040
financé par une taxe imposée à

2856
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:53,040
l'ensemble de la municipalité

2857
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:56,040
sur la base de la valeur

2858
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:57,040
foncière sur une période de 10

2859
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,040
ans.

2860
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:06,000
>>

2861
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:11,000
..

2862
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:19,000
,, To meet the needs of the

2863
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,000
community in terms of diversity

2864
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:25,000
and social inclusion. To submit

2865
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:26,000
recommendations to Council to

2866
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,000
develop new policies and improve

2867
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,000
existing policies in order to

2868
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:33,000
promote the notions of diversity

2869
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,000
and social inclusion. To promote

2870
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,000
diversity and social inclusion

2871
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:39,000
through, among others, the

2872
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,000
action plan on diversity and

2873
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,000
social inclusion. To formulate

2874
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,000
any other opinion and

2875
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:47,000
recommendation concerning

2876
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:48,000
diversity and social inclusion

2877
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:51,000
that may be requested by the

2878
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,000
Council.

2879
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:54,000
>> Who gives these notice of

2880
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:56,000
motions?

2881
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,000
>> Terrace and, fourth district

2882
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,060
5. 3 Consultation publique for.

2883
01:56:00,060 --> 01:56:01,060
Concernant un projet de

2884
01:56:01,060 --> 01:56:02,060
règlement sur les projets

2885
01:56:02,060 --> 01:56:03,060
particuliers de construction, de

2886
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:04,060
modification ou d'occupation

2887
01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:05,060
d'un immeuble

2888
01:56:05,060 --> 01:56:06,060
(PPCMOI)

2889
01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:10,060
.

2890
01:56:11,060 --> 01:56:14,060
Je vais expliquer la notion de

2891
01:56:14,060 --> 01:56:16,060
règlements en français et en

2892
01:56:16,060 --> 01:56:19,060
anglais avant de procéder à la

2893
01:56:19,060 --> 01:56:21,060
consultation publique. Un

2894
01:56:21,060 --> 01:56:22,060
caractère discrétionnaire qui

2895
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:24,060
permet qu'un projet puisse se

2896
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:25,060
réaliser malgré le fait que

2897
01:56:25,060 --> 01:56:27,060
celui des roches dans l'une des

2898
01:56:27,060 --> 01:56:28,060
dispositions de la

2899
01:56:28,060 --> 01:56:29,060
réglementation dont

2900
01:56:29,060 --> 01:56:30,060
bannissement. Pour être

2901
01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:32,060
receveur, le projet doit être

2902
01:56:32,060 --> 01:56:34,060
conforme aux objectifs du plan

2903
01:56:34,060 --> 01:56:37,060
d'urbanisme, d'un programme en

2904
01:56:37,060 --> 01:56:38,060
particulier d'urbanisme une fois

2905
01:56:38,060 --> 01:56:39,060
applicable. Une fois en, vigueur

2906
01:56:39,060 --> 01:56:41,060
ce règlement est applicable sur

2907
01:56:41,060 --> 01:56:42,060
l'ensemble du territoire. Le

2908
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:44,060
règlement sur les projets

2909
01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:45,060
particuliers permettre de

2910
01:56:45,060 --> 01:56:46,060
déroger au règlement de

2911
01:56:46,060 --> 01:56:47,060
urbanisme et de convenir d'un

2912
01:56:47,060 --> 01:56:48,060
projet de construction, de

2913
01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:49,060
modification, d'occupation d'un

2914
01:56:49,060 --> 01:56:52,060
immeuble. Le projet peut ainsi

2915
01:56:52,060 --> 01:56:54,060
satisfaire le requérant et son

2916
01:56:54,060 --> 01:56:55,060
désir de mettre un immeuble en

2917
01:56:55,060 --> 01:56:57,060
valeur. Il peut aussi permettre

2918
01:56:57,060 --> 01:56:58,060
(---)

2919
01:56:58,060 --> 01:57:00,020
, ce qui en faciliterait

2920
01:57:00,020 --> 01:57:02,020
l'acceptation par la population

2921
01:57:02,020 --> 01:57:04,020
du secteur.

2922
01:57:04,020 --> 01:57:05,020
(inaudible)

2923
01:57:05,020 --> 01:57:06,020
(---)

2924
01:57:06,020 --> 01:57:07,020
, mais une plus grande

2925
01:57:07,020 --> 01:57:08,020
adaptation sur la spécificité

2926
01:57:08,020 --> 01:57:09,020
des quartiers. Cette technique

2927
01:57:09,020 --> 01:57:10,020
permet d'encadrer le

2928
01:57:10,020 --> 01:57:11,020
développement au même cas par

2929
01:57:11,020 --> 01:57:13,020
cas. Elles relèvent du zonage

2930
01:57:13,020 --> 01:57:15,020
par projet. À la suite de

2931
01:57:15,020 --> 01:57:17,020
l'approbation de la demande d'un

2932
01:57:17,020 --> 01:57:19,020
nouveau zonage qui est rattaché

2933
01:57:19,020 --> 01:57:22,020
au prochain lui-même et non à la

2934
01:57:22,020 --> 01:57:23,020
zone, comme veut la pratique

2935
01:57:23,020 --> 01:57:25,020
actuelle.

2936
01:57:26,020 --> 01:57:29,020
Le conseil peut assujettir leur

2937
01:57:29,020 --> 01:57:31,020
acquérant en autant que cela

2938
01:57:31,020 --> 01:57:32,020
cela soit une compétence de

2939
01:57:32,020 --> 01:57:33,020
l'avenir

2940
01:57:33,020 --> 01:57:34,020
(---)

2941
01:57:34,020 --> 01:57:35,020
.

2942
01:57:35,020 --> 01:57:36,020
(inaudible)

2943
01:57:36,020 --> 01:57:37,020
(---)

2944
01:57:37,020 --> 01:57:38,020
.

2945
01:57:38,020 --> 01:57:39,020
Un règlement d'urbanisme donc

2946
01:57:39,020 --> 01:57:40,020
assujetti à la consultation

2947
01:57:40,020 --> 01:57:43,020
publique est susceptible

2948
01:57:43,020 --> 01:57:44,020
d'approbation référendaire est

2949
01:57:44,020 --> 01:57:45,020
soumis à la propagation de la

2950
01:57:45,020 --> 01:57:47,020
coopération.

2951
01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:51,020
>> The bylaw is discretionary in

2952
01:57:51,020 --> 01:57:52,020
nature and allows, under certain

2953
01:57:52,020 --> 01:57:53,020
conditions, that the project may

2954
01:57:53,020 --> 01:57:55,020
be carried out despite the fact

2955
01:57:55,020 --> 01:57:58,020
that it era Gates from one or

2956
01:57:58,020 --> 01:58:00,080
the other of the Planning

2957
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,080
bylaws. To be admissible, a

2958
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:04,080
project must be in conformity

2959
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,080
with the objectives of the

2960
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,080
planning program or the

2961
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:09,080
objective us of a specific

2962
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:10,080
planning program, when

2963
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:13,080
applicable. Once in force, this

2964
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:15,080
bylaw is applicable throughout

2965
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:18,080
the territory. The bylaw on

2966
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,080
special projects makes it

2967
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,080
possible to derogate from the

2968
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:24,080
rigors of the Planning bylaws

2969
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:27,080
and agree on the project from

2970
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:30,080
the construction, modification,

2971
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:32,080
of a property. The project can

2972
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:34,080
satisfy both the applicant and

2973
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:36,080
in his desire to enhance an

2974
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:38,080
immovable. It also allows for

2975
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:40,080
the respect of the environment,

2976
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:43,080
where it could be located, which

2977
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,080
would facilitate its acceptance

2978
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:48,080
by the population of the sector.

2979
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:51,080
It also offers flexibility and a

2980
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:54,080
greater adaptation to the

2981
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:55,080
specificity of the

2982
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:56,080
neighbourhood. This technique

2983
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,080
allows urban development to be

2984
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:01,040
managed on a case by case basis.

2985
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:04,040
It is called Project based

2986
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:05,040
zoning because following

2987
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,040
approval of the application, the

2988
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,040
new zoning is attached to the

2989
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:11,040
project itself, and not to the

2990
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,040
entire zone, as is the current

2991
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:16,040
practice. Council in no to

2992
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:18,040
rising a project by resolution

2993
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,040
may subject the applicant to

2994
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:24,040
conditions, provided that this

2995
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:26,040
is under the city's

2996
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:30,040
jurisdiction. Finally the

2997
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:31,040
resolution authorizing the

2998
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:32,040
particular project is treated as

2999
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:35,040
a bylaw amending a planning

3000
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,040
bylaw and is therefore subject

3001
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:40,040
to public consultation,

3002
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:42,040
referendum approval if enough

3003
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:45,040
requests are made, and approval.

3004
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:46,040
Thank you.

3005
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:47,040
>> So we may have to help me

3006
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:51,040
here, Madam Thibault. Edgy. I

3007
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,040
think we have a mover and

3008
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:54,040
seconder, don't vote, or go to

3009
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:55,040
questions?

3010
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:57,040
>> No, we can ask the citizens

3011
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:58,040
of they have questions or

3012
01:59:58,040 --> 02:00:01,000
comments about the bylaw.

3013
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:04,000
Otherwise we could go directly

3014
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:07,000
to 5.4.

3015
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:10,000
>> Okay. Avez-vous une question,

3016
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:15,000
au micro?

3017
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:23,000
-

3018
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:24,000
>> Est-ce que c'est déjà un

3019
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:28,000
règlement? Ce qui est en gris,

3020
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:34,000
ce sont les changements? Entre

3021
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:36,000
les thèmes 12 et 13, c'est écrit

3022
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:40,000
en gris.

3023
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:41,000
- Il y a un changement entre le

3024
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,000
projet de règlement déposé, il y

3025
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,000
a une ou deux séances, et là

3026
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:50,000
adoption finale de ce soir.

3027
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:52,000
- Est-ce que c'est un règlement

3028
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:53,000
entièrement nouveau?

3029
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:55,000
- Le PPCMOI, oui, c'est nouveau,

3030
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:56,000
il n'y en avait pas d'autre

3031
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,000
avant. Ce n'est pas une

3032
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:58,000
modification de règlement. C'est

3033
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:00,060
un nouveau règlement.

3034
02:01:00,060 --> 02:01:03,060
- Est-ce que ça s'applique aux

3035
02:01:03,060 --> 02:01:07,060
résidences et l'industriel, tout

3036
02:01:07,060 --> 02:01:11,060
ça?

3037
02:01:11,060 --> 02:01:13,060
- Ce règlement s'applique comme

3038
02:01:13,060 --> 02:01:15,060
je le mentionnais, à l'ensemble

3039
02:01:15,060 --> 02:01:16,060
du territoire de la ville, mais

3040
02:01:16,060 --> 02:01:17,060
pas l'ensemble des

3041
02:01:17,060 --> 02:01:19,060
constructions. Il y a des

3042
02:01:19,060 --> 02:01:20,060
nuances à apporter, c'est

3043
02:01:20,060 --> 02:01:22,060
mentionné dans le règlement.

3044
02:01:25,060 --> 02:01:29,060
- C'est assez détaillé à partir

3045
02:01:29,060 --> 02:01:32,060
de 13, de l'item 13 incluant

3046
02:01:32,060 --> 02:01:37,060
l'item 27.

3047
02:01:40,060 --> 02:01:43,060
C'est pas mal détaillé. On n'est

3048
02:01:43,060 --> 02:01:46,060
pas pour tout lire. Est-ce que

3049
02:01:46,060 --> 02:01:48,060
vous pouvez donner des

3050
02:01:48,060 --> 02:01:50,060
spécifications? Ça ne termine

3051
02:01:50,060 --> 02:01:52,060
plus. Je trouve ça très...

3052
02:01:52,060 --> 02:01:55,060
extrêmement restrictif.

3053
02:01:58,060 --> 02:02:01,020
Est-ce que c'est mis en place

3054
02:02:01,020 --> 02:02:06,020
pour encadrer les variations

3055
02:02:09,020 --> 02:02:13,020
mineures... dérogation mineure,

3056
02:02:13,020 --> 02:02:15,020
est-ce que ça encadre les

3057
02:02:15,020 --> 02:02:17,020
dérogations mineures?

3058
02:02:21,020 --> 02:02:22,020
- Non, ce type de règlement est

3059
02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:27,020
un règlement qui permet par

3060
02:02:29,020 --> 02:02:31,020
exemple, dans une zone donnée,

3061
02:02:31,020 --> 02:02:35,020
si le projet spécifique pour une

3062
02:02:35,020 --> 02:02:38,020
partie de cette zone, pour un

3063
02:02:38,020 --> 02:02:39,020
lot, pour une partie de l'autre

3064
02:02:39,020 --> 02:02:40,020
qui appartient aux

3065
02:02:40,020 --> 02:02:42,020
propriétaires, sur lequel un

3066
02:02:42,020 --> 02:02:44,020
projet voudrait être développer.

3067
02:02:44,020 --> 02:02:45,020
Un propriétaire aurait un projet

3068
02:02:45,020 --> 02:02:49,020
en tête qui ne correspond pas au

3069
02:02:49,020 --> 02:02:53,020
zonage actuel. Les programmes

3070
02:02:53,020 --> 02:02:56,020
particuliers de construction des

3071
02:02:56,020 --> 02:02:58,020
PPCMOI permettent de travailler

3072
02:02:58,020 --> 02:03:00,080
avec le promoteur, le

3073
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:02,080
propriétaire, de manière à ce

3074
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:05,080
qu'il réalise son projet en lui

3075
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:06,080
donnant des règles applicables

3076
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:09,080
en matière de zonage propre à ce

3077
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:14,080
projet Loire, sans avoir un

3078
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:15,080
modifications de zonage pour

3079
02:03:15,080 --> 02:03:17,080
l'ensemble de la zone. Ça peut

3080
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:19,080
être bénéfique pour favoriser

3081
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:20,080
une meilleure

3082
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:21,080
(---)

3083
02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:22,080
urbaine, pour que le projet

3084
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:24,080
s'intègre bien dans un secteur

3085
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:25,080
décousu sur le plan de

3086
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,080
l'urbanisme.

3087
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:30,080
Ça ne touche pas les dérogations

3088
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:32,080
mineures. Pour permettre la

3089
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:33,080
réalisation de projets dans le

3090
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:35,080
secteur, ou par ailleurs, ça

3091
02:03:35,080 --> 02:03:36,080
n'aurait pas été possible en

3092
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:41,080
raison du zonage actuel.

3093
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:45,080
- Disons que ce règlement n'est

3094
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:49,080
pas d'imposer, ce n'est pas là

3095
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:55,080
mon argument. À ce moment-ci, au

3096
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:58,080
coin de Lake Shore et Brunet, il

3097
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:00,040
y a une propriété assez grande,

3098
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:02,040
il y a des gens qui arrivent et

3099
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:05,040
qui achètent la place. Il décide

3100
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:07,040
de subdivisé de bâtir deux

3101
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:08,040
maisons. Ça serait un parfait

3102
02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:09,040
exemple?

3103
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:12,040
- Non.

3104
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:17,040
Ce sont des cas de figure très

3105
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:22,040
précis. Je ne suis qu'une

3106
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:23,040
avocate, je n'ai pas de

3107
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:24,040
(---)

3108
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:25,040
en urbanisme. J'aimerais vous

3109
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:28,040
répondre avec précision. Par

3110
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:30,040
crainte de me tromper, je vais

3111
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:32,040
préférer me restreindre à cela.

3112
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:34,040
Vous pouvez m'envoyer les

3113
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:35,040
questions au service

3114
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:38,040
d'urbanisme, par écrit. Ils vont

3115
02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:39,040
faire... vont se faire un

3116
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:42,040
plaisir de répondre.

3117
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:44,040
- Mes questions sont dans la

3118
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:46,040
bonne direction. Est-ce que

3119
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:48,040
j'aurai des réponses?

3120
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:50,040
- Vous aurez des réponses. Si

3121
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:51,040
vos questions ne sont pas dans

3122
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:52,040
la bonne direction, on va vous

3123
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:54,040
amener dans la bonne.

3124
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,000
The idea is to add a tool to our

3125
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,000
tool

3126
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,000
Box so that if there is a

3127
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:10,000
project that doesn't fit well

3128
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:13,000
that has because it has too many

3129
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:14,000
minor derogations, it will go

3130
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,000
through another process that

3131
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:16,000
will allow you to look at it

3132
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:20,000
it's in its or entirety and

3133
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:21,000
allowing the minor derogations,

3134
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:22,000
but they are for bigger

3135
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:25,000
projects, typically. Two may

3136
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:26,000
come there in the industrial

3137
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:30,000
area, but as the mayor

3138
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:32,000
Councillor Cowan had pointed out

3139
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:35,000
the other benefit is that it

3140
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:37,000
allows us to ask for things in

3141
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:39,000
relation to more green space so

3142
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:40,000
that we are

3143
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:41,000
Able to make that

3144
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:42,000
Project as nice

3145
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:44,000
As possible, because when you

3146
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:45,000
are asking for minor derogation

3147
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:48,000
there should be a trade-off of

3148
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,000
overall greater benefit. Does

3149
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:51,000
that help?

3150
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:53,000
>> Yes, except that we end up

3151
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:57,000
with a new acronym.

3152
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:58,000
[Laughter]

3153
02:05:58,000 --> 02:05:59,000
>> There are many cities that

3154
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:01,060
have this. We are one of the

3155
02:06:01,060 --> 02:06:03,060
last cities to not use. It was a

3156
02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:04,060
set suggestion that we add it

3157
02:06:04,060 --> 02:06:05,060
because it can be might quite

3158
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:06,060
useful.

3159
02:06:06,060 --> 02:06:08,060
>> Okay, one last comment or

3160
02:06:08,060 --> 02:06:13,060
question. Should you apply this

3161
02:06:18,060 --> 02:06:20,060
thing to issue a permit for a

3162
02:06:20,060 --> 02:06:25,060
special project that needs many

3163
02:06:26,060 --> 02:06:28,060
derogations and the building is

3164
02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:33,060
started, I don't see a serious

3165
02:06:33,060 --> 02:06:37,060
effort of applying, I'm going to

3166
02:06:37,060 --> 02:06:39,060
say it in je ne French -- vois

3167
02:06:39,060 --> 02:06:40,060
pas d'un effort sérieux pour

3168
02:06:40,060 --> 02:06:44,060
appliquer le règlement. Si le

3169
02:06:44,060 --> 02:06:49,060
bâtisseur, le développeur on va

3170
02:06:49,060 --> 02:06:53,060
de côté. Tout arrête. Je le sais

3171
02:06:53,060 --> 02:06:58,060
par expérience. Il y a quelques

3172
02:06:59,060 --> 02:07:00,020
projets dans mon ancien

3173
02:07:00,020 --> 02:07:03,020
district.

3174
02:07:03,020 --> 02:07:04,020
You have time to think about

3175
02:07:04,020 --> 02:07:06,020
what I ask you?

3176
02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:08,020
>> I already answered you. It

3177
02:07:08,020 --> 02:07:11,020
depends on who enters the fray.

3178
02:07:11,020 --> 02:07:13,020
It is a comparative process,

3179
02:07:13,020 --> 02:07:17,020
who's the souvent best

3180
02:07:17,020 --> 02:07:20,020
candidate,. Ce n'est pas une

3181
02:07:20,020 --> 02:07:21,020
amende. C'est une autre

3182
02:07:21,020 --> 02:07:23,020
dérogation.

3183
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:35,020
J'aimerais voir la démolition

3184
02:07:35,020 --> 02:07:36,020
qui serait appliqué après

3185
02:07:36,020 --> 02:07:38,020
jugement, avec raison.

3186
02:07:38,020 --> 02:07:41,020
Il est arrivé des affaires par

3187
02:07:41,020 --> 02:07:45,020
le passé. J'ai été témoin. Il y

3188
02:07:46,020 --> 02:07:48,020
a des gens que la ligne est là,

3189
02:07:48,020 --> 02:07:49,020
vous savez.

3190
02:07:49,020 --> 02:07:50,020
(inaudible)

3191
02:07:50,020 --> 02:07:51,020
(---)

3192
02:07:51,020 --> 02:07:53,020
.

3193
02:07:53,020 --> 02:07:56,020
>> I'm new to this, but my

3194
02:07:56,020 --> 02:07:58,020
understanding of SCAOPI it is

3195
02:07:58,020 --> 02:08:01,080
that it's there to ex-parte a

3196
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:04,080
zoning change, or a proposal

3197
02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:05,080
that encompasses too many rules

3198
02:08:05,080 --> 02:08:07,080
and involves to many other

3199
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:09,080
properties and it's just an

3200
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:11,080
expeditious process. I don't

3201
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:14,080
think, I mean, it's just a

3202
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:15,080
facility.

3203
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:19,080
>> I know for a fact, let me

3204
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:22,080
worded properly, that somebody

3205
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:25,080
would get a bad tape measure and

3206
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:28,080
he would be two feet off, you

3207
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:31,080
understand? And now the basement

3208
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:32,080
has been poured and even the

3209
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:34,080
walls have been started, so what

3210
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:36,080
do we do with that?

3211
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:38,080
>> The same as we have always

3212
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:40,080
done. We'll do the regular --

3213
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:43,080
>> I don't think you would --

3214
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:45,080
>> The SCAOPI is just too, I

3215
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:47,080
think and I'm not an expert on

3216
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:48,080
this, so correct me if I go

3217
02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:51,080
wrong on this, it's not for

3218
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:53,080
those kinds of matters. It's to

3219
02:08:53,080 --> 02:08:55,080
change something. Somebody who

3220
02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:56,080
has a proposal and I think it's

3221
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:58,080
more industrial and commercial

3222
02:08:58,080 --> 02:09:00,040
and residential. And someone who

3223
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:01,040
wants to just change the

3224
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:03,040
functioning of an existing

3225
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:05,040
property. So it's not so much I

3226
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:06,040
don't think building a definite

3227
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,040
demolition, it's trying to

3228
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:10,040
revamp or re-utilize a piece of

3229
02:09:10,040 --> 02:09:12,040
property in an expeditious

3230
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:14,040
manner. I don't think it gets

3231
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:15,040
into what you're talking about.

3232
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:19,040
I'm not sure. Though correct me

3233
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:21,040
if I'm wrong. Monsieur le maire

3234
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:23,040
a raison..

3235
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:25,040
- Monsieur Cousineau, ce que

3236
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:26,040
vous amenez comme Soucy, ce

3237
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:27,040
n'est pas en lien avec

3238
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:28,040
l'adoption du Règlement.

3239
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:29,040
(inaudible)

3240
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:30,040
(---)

3241
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:31,040
.

3242
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:32,040
- La consultation publique

3243
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:33,040
porteur

3244
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:34,040
(inaudible)

3245
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:35,040
(---)

3246
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:36,040
. Je voulais simplement le

3247
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:37,040
rappeler.

3248
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:38,040
(inaudible)

3249
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:39,040
(---)

3250
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:40,040
.

3251
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:41,040
- Vos inquiétudes ne sont pas en

3252
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:42,040
lien avec le règlement de ce,

3253
02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:43,040
soir c'est un autre règlement

3254
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:44,040
qu'on

3255
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:45,040
(inaudible)

3256
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:46,040
(---)

3257
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:47,040
.

3258
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:48,040
- Je regrette d'avoir pris votre

3259
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:49,040
temps. Je poserais la question

3260
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:50,040
une autre fois.

3261
02:09:50,040 --> 02:09:51,040
(intervention en anglais)

3262
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:52,040
.

3263
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:53,040
-

3264
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:54,040
>> Mayor

3265
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:55,040
(inaudible)

3266
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:56,040
(---)

3267
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:57,040
. Thomas?

3268
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:58,040
>>

3269
02:09:58,040 --> 02:09:59,040
Go ahead.

3270
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:00,000
>> For a simple clarification in

3271
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,000
support of what Mayor Thomas

3272
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:02,000
said. It is in fact when there

3273
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:03,000
are minor multiple derogations,

3274
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:04,000
what you can relate to his

3275
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,000
conditional use. Faux

3276
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:06,000
conditional use was used in

3277
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:08,000
relation to that but if a

3278
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,000
project required a lot of

3279
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:11,000
different thought, what the

3280
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:12,000
SCAOPI is puts under a lot of

3281
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,000
scrutiny, conditional use, there

3282
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:15,000
is nothing of that nature. So

3283
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,000
what this does, it puts a higher

3284
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,000
level of analysis and more

3285
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:21,000
public into put into making a

3286
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:22,000
decision. So you have minor

3287
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:25,000
delegation, conditional use,

3288
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:27,000
SCAOPI and zoning bylaw change.

3289
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:30,000
When it's a project spot zoning

3290
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,000
taking specific area to a

3291
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:33,000
specific concerns and issues by

3292
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:37,000
putting it to a higher stringent

3293
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:41,000
process.

3294
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:44,000
[Inaudible]

3295
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:57,000
>> Madam Conway?

3296
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:58,000
>> To establish that this is

3297
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:00,060
more for industrial and

3298
02:11:00,060 --> 02:11:01,060
commercial businesses, as

3299
02:11:01,060 --> 02:11:03,060
opposed to residential?

3300
02:11:03,060 --> 02:11:04,060
>> Yes.

3301
02:11:04,060 --> 02:11:05,060
>> Okay, so if my neighbour

3302
02:11:05,060 --> 02:11:07,060
wants to tear down his house and

3303
02:11:07,060 --> 02:11:09,060
makes neighbour and a developer

3304
02:11:09,060 --> 02:11:11,060
comes anyone's to build town

3305
02:11:11,060 --> 02:11:12,060
houses --

3306
02:11:12,060 --> 02:11:15,060
>> It's not more applicable in

3307
02:11:15,060 --> 02:11:17,060
residential neighbourhoods with

3308
02:11:17,060 --> 02:11:20,060
just one single family home.

3309
02:11:20,060 --> 02:11:23,060
It's not the tools we will use

3310
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:25,060
if we have to build a new

3311
02:11:25,060 --> 02:11:26,060
project there.

3312
02:11:26,060 --> 02:11:27,060
>> Take for example the --

3313
02:11:27,060 --> 02:11:30,060
project, one of the bylaws was

3314
02:11:30,060 --> 02:11:32,060
height. They could not go higher

3315
02:11:32,060 --> 02:11:36,060
than the neighbours.

3316
02:11:36,060 --> 02:11:39,060
>> Ce n'est pas la fonction de

3317
02:11:39,060 --> 02:11:40,060
vérifier la hauteur des

3318
02:11:40,060 --> 02:11:43,060
bâtiments. Nous sommes dans des

3319
02:11:43,060 --> 02:11:45,060
changements d'usage d'une

3320
02:11:45,060 --> 02:11:49,060
propriété. Nous sommes dans les

3321
02:11:49,060 --> 02:11:50,060
changements mangeurs

3322
02:11:50,060 --> 02:11:51,060
(---)

3323
02:11:51,060 --> 02:11:53,060
majeurs dont les zonage.

3324
02:11:54,060 --> 02:11:55,060
Pas dans l'usage d'une

3325
02:11:55,060 --> 02:11:57,060
propriété.

3326
02:12:01,020 --> 02:12:02,020
- Les règlements qu'on a dans

3327
02:12:02,020 --> 02:12:06,020
les livres, pourquoi non... ne

3328
02:12:06,020 --> 02:12:10,020
suivons-nous pas ces règles-là?

3329
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:11,020
- Comme la

3330
02:12:11,020 --> 02:12:12,020
(---)

3331
02:12:12,020 --> 02:12:15,020
c'est un outil de plus que la

3332
02:12:15,020 --> 02:12:20,020
Ville pourra utiliser. Ce sont

3333
02:12:22,020 --> 02:12:23,020
des situations précises. Il

3334
02:12:23,020 --> 02:12:25,020
serait préférable qu'un projet

3335
02:12:25,020 --> 02:12:26,020
se réalise. La zone au complet

3336
02:12:26,020 --> 02:12:28,020
n'est pas affectée en termes de

3337
02:12:28,020 --> 02:12:31,020
changements de zonage,

3338
02:12:31,020 --> 02:12:33,020
simplement que la propriété est

3339
02:12:33,020 --> 02:12:34,020
la partie de la zone visée par

3340
02:12:34,020 --> 02:12:37,020
le projet soit sujet à un

3341
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:41,020
changement de zonage, avec des

3342
02:12:41,020 --> 02:12:42,020
grues d'usage. La hauteur des

3343
02:12:42,020 --> 02:12:44,020
bâtiments pourrait changer, oui.

3344
02:12:44,020 --> 02:12:47,020
Ce sont pour des projets précis

3345
02:12:47,020 --> 02:12:48,020
qui s'inscrivent dans une

3346
02:12:48,020 --> 02:12:49,020
volonté d'avoir une

3347
02:12:49,020 --> 02:12:50,020
(---)

3348
02:12:50,020 --> 02:12:52,020
urbaine plus harmonieuse.

3349
02:12:52,020 --> 02:12:53,020
- Les voisins vont être

3350
02:12:53,020 --> 02:12:54,020
(inaudible)

3351
02:12:54,020 --> 02:12:55,020
(---)

3352
02:12:55,020 --> 02:12:56,020
.

3353
02:12:56,020 --> 02:12:57,020
- Le conseil municipal doit

3354
02:12:57,020 --> 02:12:58,020
adopter par résolution le

3355
02:12:58,020 --> 02:12:59,020
projet. Une fois que le conseil

3356
02:12:59,020 --> 02:13:02,080
municipal a approuvé le projet,

3357
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:04,080
la population peut s'exprimer en

3358
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:05,080
consultation publique. Elles

3359
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:07,080
vont voir des esquisses, des

3360
02:13:07,080 --> 02:13:09,080
images du projet le cas échéant,

3361
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:11,080
lors de consultations publiques.

3362
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:13,080
Ultimement, les citoyens peuvent

3363
02:13:13,080 --> 02:13:15,080
s'opposer au projet de manière

3364
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:17,080
référendaire. À toutes les

3365
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:18,080
instances, contrairement à

3366
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:21,080
d'autres outils, le PPCMOI

3367
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:24,080
permet aux citoyens d'avoir un

3368
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:26,080
mot à dire dans la procédure.

3369
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:28,080
- Vicky, merci.

3370
02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:36,080
- Vous dites que ce n'est pas

3371
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:37,080
applicable aux résidentielles où

3372
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:39,080
ça peut l'être?

3373
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:43,080
- Vous devez deviner votre nom,

3374
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:46,080
s'il vous. Plaise

3375
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:50,080
- Andre Clermont. Wood que ce

3376
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:51,080
n'est pas applicable au

3377
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:52,080
résidentiel ou que ça peut

3378
02:13:52,080 --> 02:13:56,080
l'être? Le projet a dit que

3379
02:13:56,080 --> 02:13:59,080
quelqu'un a un projet peut faire

3380
02:13:59,080 --> 02:14:01,040
changer une place de zonage et

3381
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:03,040
non tout le coin. Ça a peut

3382
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:04,040
(---)

3383
02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:06,040
si c'est applicable au

3384
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:07,040
résidentiel. Il y a des places

3385
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:08,040
que c'est proche de résidence.

3386
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,040
Ils sont à côté ou très proche

3387
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:12,040
du commercial. Quelqu'un qui

3388
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:14,040
arrivera avec un projet pourrait

3389
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:19,040
faire changer le zonage. D'une

3390
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:21,040
maison résidentielle.

3391
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:24,040
- Le PPCMOI peut être appliqué

3392
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:25,040
au résidentiel. Habituellement,

3393
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:27,040
ce n'est pas un outil qu'on

3394
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:29,040
utilise dans ce cas-là. C'est un

3395
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:33,040
outil dans notre boîte à outils.

3396
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:36,040
Je l'ai rarement utilisé,

3397
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:37,040
d'expérience, personnellement,

3398
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:41,040
dans ma carrière. Dans d'autres

3399
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:42,040
villes, dans ce type de

3400
02:14:42,040 --> 02:14:43,040
projets-là. Comme on le disait,

3401
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:46,040
il y a un processus qui se fait

3402
02:14:46,040 --> 02:14:48,040
au niveau de l'adoption du

3403
02:14:48,040 --> 02:14:50,040
PPCMOI. Il y aura résolution. Il

3404
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:53,040
y aura consultation publique, un

3405
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:55,040
référendum, un processus

3406
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:58,040
référendaire qui peut être fait.

3407
02:14:58,040 --> 02:14:59,040
Un outil intéressant, ça nous

3408
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:01,000
permet de montrer des images aux

3409
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:03,000
citoyens, de voir vraiment dans

3410
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:05,000
le cadre du projet. Les gens

3411
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:06,000
vont pouvoir voir le projet. Ils

3412
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:07,000
ne peuvent

3413
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:08,000
Pas le voir nécessairement dans

3414
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:10,000
un changement de zonage.

3415
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:11,000
- Est-ce que ça ouvre la porte à

3416
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:14,000
des gens qui aimeraient ouvrir

3417
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:17,000
plus de commerce? L'école est

3418
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:20,000
contre les résidentielles,

3419
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,000
ciblés place, on pourrait ouvrir

3420
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:24,000
un restaurant, un magasin, être

3421
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:28,000
entourée de résidence à côté.

3422
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:32,000
Larry Cartier, la ligne est

3423
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:33,000
mince entre le commerce et les

3424
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:35,000
résidents. Ça pourrait permettre

3425
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:37,000
à ça.

3426
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:50,000
>> Fundamentally would never be

3427
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:53,000
used as residential let's take

3428
02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:56,000
zone already 49. This probably

3429
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:59,000
28 houses in that area. What

3430
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:01,060
SCAOPI is used for, let's say

3431
02:16:01,060 --> 02:16:03,060
this one house that can't be a

3432
02:16:03,060 --> 02:16:04,060
house for any reason. Aliens

3433
02:16:04,060 --> 02:16:07,060
landed on. It it is something

3434
02:16:07,060 --> 02:16:08,060
that can be done with that

3435
02:16:08,060 --> 02:16:10,060
house, it's cold spot zoning. We

3436
02:16:10,060 --> 02:16:11,060
do a zoning change. We affect

3437
02:16:11,060 --> 02:16:14,060
the whole area. So what we do is

3438
02:16:14,060 --> 02:16:16,060
we take one specific industrial

3439
02:16:16,060 --> 02:16:17,060
commercial or residential house

3440
02:16:17,060 --> 02:16:19,060
within that area, and they just

3441
02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:22,060
can't ask you, say, turn

3442
02:16:22,060 --> 02:16:23,060
residential to a restaurant. It

3443
02:16:23,060 --> 02:16:25,060
has to be justified supported.

3444
02:16:25,060 --> 02:16:26,060
You have to give plausible

3445
02:16:26,060 --> 02:16:27,060
reasons why you can't have a

3446
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:29,060
house there anymore. So you have

3447
02:16:29,060 --> 02:16:32,060
to go through a whole process of

3448
02:16:32,060 --> 02:16:33,060
discussions, but just to make

3449
02:16:33,060 --> 02:16:34,060
sure that if you change

3450
02:16:34,060 --> 02:16:36,060
something you can always change

3451
02:16:36,060 --> 02:16:38,060
one particular item in his own

3452
02:16:38,060 --> 02:16:40,060
and not affect the whole zone.

3453
02:16:40,060 --> 02:16:42,060
So it's a really unique thing

3454
02:16:42,060 --> 02:16:46,060
that that is done. So it has to

3455
02:16:47,060 --> 02:16:48,060
pass stringent policies. You

3456
02:16:48,060 --> 02:16:50,060
just can't say I'm turning the

3457
02:16:50,060 --> 02:16:51,060
house into a restaurant. It

3458
02:16:51,060 --> 02:16:53,060
won't work that way. Its spot

3459
02:16:53,060 --> 02:16:55,060
zoning of one particular

3460
02:16:55,060 --> 02:16:57,060
location or address within his

3461
02:16:57,060 --> 02:16:59,060
own. And there are situations

3462
02:16:59,060 --> 02:17:01,020
where that could be required.

3463
02:17:01,020 --> 02:17:03,020
J'ai l'impression que ça peut

3464
02:17:03,020 --> 02:17:04,020
ouvrir une porte.

3465
02:17:04,020 --> 02:17:06,020
- Il y a une nuance que je vais

3466
02:17:06,020 --> 02:17:09,020
apporter. Tout projet doit être

3467
02:17:09,020 --> 02:17:11,020
conforme au plan d'urbanisme et

3468
02:17:11,020 --> 02:17:12,020
aux documents

3469
02:17:12,020 --> 02:17:13,020
(---)

3470
02:17:13,020 --> 02:17:15,020
. On a des codes villageois. Il

3471
02:17:15,020 --> 02:17:17,020
doit quand même être conforme à

3472
02:17:17,020 --> 02:17:20,020
notre plan d'urbanisme. Si ça ne

3473
02:17:20,020 --> 02:17:22,020
rentre pas dans le la trame

3474
02:17:22,020 --> 02:17:23,020
urbaine du plan d'urbanisme,

3475
02:17:23,020 --> 02:17:24,020
mais ça ne fonctionne.

3476
02:17:24,020 --> 02:17:26,020
- O.K., merci.

3477
02:17:33,020 --> 02:17:34,020
>> I would understand with

3478
02:17:34,020 --> 02:17:36,020
zoning, so if you're changing

3479
02:17:36,020 --> 02:17:39,020
for the height, 14, two fours,

3480
02:17:39,020 --> 02:17:40,020
Three floors --

3481
02:17:40,020 --> 02:17:41,020
>> It's not a new build. It's

3482
02:17:41,020 --> 02:17:43,020
transforming the function of an

3483
02:17:43,020 --> 02:17:45,020
existing building, I think. So

3484
02:17:45,020 --> 02:17:47,020
the height really doesn't come

3485
02:17:47,020 --> 02:17:49,020
into play in this.

3486
02:17:49,020 --> 02:17:51,020
>> But you can do it for the

3487
02:17:51,020 --> 02:17:52,020
future building?

3488
02:17:52,020 --> 02:17:53,020
>> Now, it's just changing the

3489
02:17:53,020 --> 02:17:55,020
existing the usage of the

3490
02:17:55,020 --> 02:17:56,020
existing building. That's all.

3491
02:17:56,020 --> 02:17:58,020
That's what it's therefore.

3492
02:17:58,020 --> 02:18:00,080
>> But for the new one, you

3493
02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:02,080
don't have --

3494
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:04,080
>> Its Latino. And it's for an

3495
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:06,080
existing building. What we are

3496
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:08,080
debating right now, is a tool

3497
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:10,080
used for existing properties,

3498
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:12,080
changing their zoning. It's not

3499
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:14,080
for a new build. It's not for

3500
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:19,080
anything like that. From what I

3501
02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:20,080
understand.

3502
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:21,080
>> Are you able to do that for a

3503
02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:22,080
new building?

3504
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:25,080
>> No, I don't think so. Ce

3505
02:18:25,080 --> 02:18:26,080
n'est pas bon pour les nouveaux

3506
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:27,080
développements.

3507
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:29,080
>> New development

3508
02:18:29,080 --> 02:18:32,080
?

3509
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:34,080
>> SCAOPI, yeah we can use it

3510
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:37,080
for new development also but we

3511
02:18:37,080 --> 02:18:39,080
have some specifics to apply to.

3512
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:42,080
Each project is different, so

3513
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:44,080
it's kind of universal that

3514
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:48,080
question. I can't answer which

3515
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:50,080
project, a new project, or not.

3516
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:51,080
Is depending on the project.

3517
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:52,080
>> So you have a standard you

3518
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:55,080
don't have to argue out about

3519
02:18:55,080 --> 02:18:57,080
ten floors, 15 floors, 25

3520
02:18:57,080 --> 02:18:58,080
floors. You have a standard for

3521
02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:03,040
that. Everybody respects it. It

3522
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:07,040
makes sense?

3523
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:08,040
>> Now, I'm sorry.

3524
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:10,040
[Laughter]

3525
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:11,040
>> So we're going to have to

3526
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:12,040
fight and are you about the

3527
02:19:12,040 --> 02:19:15,040
height. If you're able to do it,

3528
02:19:15,040 --> 02:19:18,040
change the zoning.

3529
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:20,040
>> This bylaw --

3530
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:21,040
>> I'm not talking about this.

3531
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:23,040
I'm talking about the future.

3532
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,040
>> Sir, we are talking about

3533
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:28,040
this bylaw. We're talking about

3534
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:30,040
a specific bylaw for a specific

3535
02:19:30,040 --> 02:19:31,040
purpose.

3536
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:32,040
>> Okay. So this whole

3537
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:36,040
discussion is about that bylaw.

3538
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:38,040
>> This bylaw is not for a

3539
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:40,040
specific project, but yes, of

3540
02:19:40,040 --> 02:19:44,040
course, this bylaw is new, so we

3541
02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:46,040
will use this bylaw. It will be

3542
02:19:46,040 --> 02:19:50,040
for a new project, for sure.

3543
02:19:50,040 --> 02:19:52,040
Maybe for an existing property,

3544
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:55,040
as we will transform, modify,

3545
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:58,040
and we will use this tool, but

3546
02:19:58,040 --> 02:20:02,000
this bylaw allows cities to

3547
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:08,000
analyze the new project with a

3548
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:13,000
different views beside the

3549
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:15,000
current bylaws. They could try

3550
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:19,000
to analyze the project and

3551
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:21,000
derogate to some of our current

3552
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:23,000
bylaws. But for the greater good

3553
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:26,000
of the city, of course, and

3554
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:27,000
Council is there to decide on

3555
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:30,000
that kind of project. And the

3556
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:31,000
committee as well.

3557
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:35,000
>> Thank you. And I hope you do

3558
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:36,000
for the new and limit the height

3559
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:38,000
so we don't have to argue.

3560
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:39,000
Everybody respect it. Thank you.

3561
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:42,000
>> Thank you. Okay, do we need a

3562
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:47,000
mover and seconder? Not yet,

3563
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,000
okay.

3564
02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:50,000
[Laughter]

3565
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:51,000
>> If there is no more question,

3566
02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:54,000
we can go directly to 5.4 and

3567
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:58,000
then this is the adoption of

3568
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:02,060
bylaw on staff is sick specific

3569
02:21:02,060 --> 02:21:04,060
construction or occupancy for

3570
02:21:04,060 --> 02:21:06,060
immovable's, and now we have a

3571
02:21:06,060 --> 02:21:07,060
mover and a seconder.

3572
02:21:07,060 --> 02:21:09,060
>> Do I have a mover?

3573
02:21:09,060 --> 02:21:13,060
>> I moved to adopt the bylaw.

3574
02:21:13,060 --> 02:21:14,060
Kelly Thorstad-Cullen, district

3575
02:21:14,060 --> 02:21:15,060
three.

3576
02:21:15,060 --> 02:21:16,060
>> And seconder?

3577
02:21:16,060 --> 02:21:17,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3578
02:21:17,060 --> 02:21:18,060
>> All in favour?

3579
02:21:18,060 --> 02:21:19,060
>> Mister Mayor, I like to

3580
02:21:19,060 --> 02:21:21,060
comment.

3581
02:21:21,060 --> 02:21:22,060
>> Absolutely.

3582
02:21:22,060 --> 02:21:27,060
>> Proposing amendment to the

3583
02:21:27,060 --> 02:21:29,060
motion as the result of the

3584
02:21:29,060 --> 02:21:33,060
citizen comments I think it's

3585
02:21:33,060 --> 02:21:36,060
important to put an explanatory

3586
02:21:36,060 --> 02:21:38,060
or interpretive clause into our

3587
02:21:38,060 --> 02:21:40,060
bylaws. I made the point for

3588
02:21:40,060 --> 02:21:42,060
five years ago now to put a

3589
02:21:42,060 --> 02:21:44,060
preamble into the village code

3590
02:21:44,060 --> 02:21:46,060
to create an interpretive clause

3591
02:21:46,060 --> 02:21:48,060
the people so that people can

3592
02:21:48,060 --> 02:21:50,060
understand why the rest, why the

3593
02:21:50,060 --> 02:21:53,060
bylaw is. Their bylaws form a

3594
02:21:53,060 --> 02:21:54,060
regulatory framework for the

3595
02:21:54,060 --> 02:21:55,060
city but they're also kind of a

3596
02:21:55,060 --> 02:21:58,060
how to or user manual. And so to

3597
02:21:58,060 --> 02:22:00,020
make it, to help make it more

3598
02:22:00,020 --> 02:22:04,020
clear to citizens, and future

3599
02:22:05,020 --> 02:22:06,020
Council decades from now

3600
02:22:06,020 --> 02:22:09,020
perhaps, when we forget why

3601
02:22:09,020 --> 02:22:11,020
people who are part of Council

3602
02:22:11,020 --> 02:22:13,020
may have been forgotten why

3603
02:22:13,020 --> 02:22:15,020
there is this bylaw, explain to

3604
02:22:15,020 --> 02:22:17,020
them. Explain to the applicants.

3605
02:22:17,020 --> 02:22:19,020
Make it clear, it's clear

3606
02:22:19,020 --> 02:22:21,020
responsible, the purpose in the

3607
02:22:21,020 --> 02:22:24,020
objectives of the bylaw. So I

3608
02:22:24,020 --> 02:22:29,020
have drafted -- I'll get in the

3609
02:22:33,020 --> 02:22:36,020
second.

3610
02:22:44,020 --> 02:22:46,020
I'm having difficulty calling it

3611
02:22:46,020 --> 02:22:48,020
up now. Just a minute. Another

3612
02:22:48,020 --> 02:22:53,020
alternative. I supposed an

3613
02:22:55,020 --> 02:22:57,020
amendment to paragraph one point

3614
02:22:57,020 --> 02:22:59,020
1.3, which was the scope of the

3615
02:22:59,020 --> 02:23:02,080
bylaw, to add the purpose of the

3616
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:05,080
bylaw to that paragraph, so that

3617
02:23:05,080 --> 02:23:08,080
to the sentence that begins with

3618
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:10,080
the provisions of this bylaw

3619
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:11,080
pride to natural persons as well

3620
02:23:11,080 --> 02:23:13,080
as two legal persons under

3621
02:23:13,080 --> 02:23:15,080
public or private law, that was

3622
02:23:15,080 --> 02:23:17,080
the scope. To that I propose

3623
02:23:17,080 --> 02:23:18,080
adding the following, its

3624
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:19,080
purpose is to enable City

3625
02:23:19,080 --> 02:23:22,080
Council to authorize a project,

3626
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:24,080
and demonstrably advances the

3627
02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:26,080
project of the city planning

3628
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:27,080
program even though the project

3629
02:23:27,080 --> 02:23:29,080
may be a variance with specific

3630
02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:31,080
sections of the beauties urban

3631
02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:33,080
planning bylaws. It facilitates

3632
02:23:33,080 --> 02:23:35,080
land development there better

3633
02:23:35,080 --> 02:23:36,080
integrates into the urban form

3634
02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:39,080
without it being necessary to

3635
02:23:39,080 --> 02:23:40,080
either modify applicable

3636
02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:42,080
standards for the particular

3637
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:44,080
zone or the city as a whole or

3638
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:46,080
to process a minor exemption. It

3639
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:48,080
allows for conventions to be

3640
02:23:48,080 --> 02:23:49,080
incorporated into a project that

3641
02:23:49,080 --> 02:23:52,080
are not specifically prescribed

3642
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:54,080
by existing regulations such as

3643
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:56,080
those which might arise from

3644
02:23:56,080 --> 02:23:57,080
sustainable development

3645
02:23:57,080 --> 02:23:58,080
principles in order to increase

3646
02:23:58,080 --> 02:24:00,040
the projects social except

3647
02:24:00,040 --> 02:24:03,040
ability. That last part is an

3648
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:05,040
important addition, in that it

3649
02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:08,040
highlights the ability of the

3650
02:24:08,040 --> 02:24:12,040
city to negotiate with anybody

3651
02:24:12,040 --> 02:24:15,040
presenting a project. We can be

3652
02:24:15,040 --> 02:24:17,040
flexible over here, but you must

3653
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:20,040
deliver over here, which could

3654
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:23,040
be to increase green space or

3655
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:25,040
anything that is within the

3656
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:26,040
jurisdiction of the city. So it

3657
02:24:26,040 --> 02:24:29,040
allows that capability as well.

3658
02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:32,040
So I move that amendment to the

3659
02:24:32,040 --> 02:24:35,040
primary motion as I just read.

3660
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:37,040
Cowan, district eight.

3661
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:40,040
>> And I have a mover?

3662
02:24:40,040 --> 02:24:41,040
(inaudible)

3663
02:24:41,040 --> 02:24:42,040
(---)

3664
02:24:42,040 --> 02:24:43,040
.

3665
02:24:43,040 --> 02:24:44,040
>> It needs to be seconded

3666
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:45,040
first.

3667
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:47,040
>> Do I have a seconder?

3668
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:48,040
>> Seconded

3669
02:24:48,040 --> 02:24:51,040
By Tara

3670
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:53,040
- J'ai Stainforth. Une question

3671
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:55,040
pour clarifier. Le texte vient

3672
02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:58,040
de lire monsieur

3673
02:24:58,040 --> 02:24:59,040
(---)

3674
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:01,000
, ça sert à informer les gens.

3675
02:25:01,000 --> 02:25:03,000
Ça décrit le règlement. Est-ce

3676
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:06,000
qu'on peut l'afficher sur le

3677
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:07,000
site Web? Est-ce qu'on peut

3678
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:11,000
avoir le règlement qui serait un

3679
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:14,000
document qu'on pourrait cliquer?

3680
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:16,000
On pourrait lire le Règlement

3681
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,000
directement. C'est absolument

3682
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:19,000
nécessaire. Est-ce que ça change

3683
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:20,000
la loi d'une façon ou d'une

3684
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:23,000
autre?

3685
02:25:23,000 --> 02:25:27,000
- Ça appartient au conseil. La

3686
02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:29,000
disposition lui par monsieur

3687
02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:31,000
Cowan n'a pas d'interprétation,

3688
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:33,000
elle est inexpliqué hâtives.

3689
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:37,000
Ça pourrait se retrouver dans un

3690
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:38,000
plan qui

3691
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:39,000
(---)

3692
02:25:39,000 --> 02:25:44,000
. Légalement, il ne vient pas

3693
02:25:45,000 --> 02:25:47,000
Lange... changer la portion

3694
02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:51,000
normative du règlement. C'est

3695
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:54,000
carrément une interprétation

3696
02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:55,000
explicative de la portée du

3697
02:25:55,000 --> 02:25:56,000
règlement. Ça appartient au

3698
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:58,000
conseil de soit de le laisser

3699
02:25:58,000 --> 02:25:59,000
dans le règlement, dans

3700
02:25:59,000 --> 02:26:02,060
l'inclure dans le règlement.

3701
02:26:02,060 --> 02:26:03,060
- Aucun effet légal par rapport

3702
02:26:03,060 --> 02:26:05,060
à la description, l'explication

3703
02:26:05,060 --> 02:26:09,060
comme ça? Est-ce que Sussex

3704
02:26:09,060 --> 02:26:10,060
piqué? Est-ce que c'est un texte

3705
02:26:10,060 --> 02:26:13,060
légal?

3706
02:26:13,060 --> 02:26:16,060
- Comme je viens de le dire,

3707
02:26:16,060 --> 02:26:17,060
c'est un texte explicatif. Ça ne

3708
02:26:17,060 --> 02:26:18,060
change pas la portée des

3709
02:26:18,060 --> 02:26:21,060
éléments normatif.

3710
02:26:21,060 --> 02:26:22,060
- D'accord, le règlement que

3711
02:26:22,060 --> 02:26:24,060
j'ai lue reste le même document.

3712
02:26:26,060 --> 02:26:29,060
On insère une explication

3713
02:26:29,060 --> 02:26:31,060
décrivant ce qui se passe avec

3714
02:26:31,060 --> 02:26:32,060
ce règlement, c'est ça?

3715
02:26:32,060 --> 02:26:33,060
- Exact.

3716
02:26:33,060 --> 02:26:35,060
- D'accord, merci.

3717
02:26:35,060 --> 02:26:39,060
>> All in favour? Of the

3718
02:26:40,060 --> 02:26:45,060
amendment? The okay, so, okay.

3719
02:26:45,060 --> 02:26:47,060
>> And back to the main

3720
02:26:47,060 --> 02:26:49,060
proposition which is the

3721
02:26:49,060 --> 02:26:53,060
adoption of a bylaw with the

3722
02:26:53,060 --> 02:26:55,060
amendment of a specific

3723
02:26:55,060 --> 02:26:57,060
construction, occupancy

3724
02:26:57,060 --> 02:27:02,020
proposals for a movable SCAOPI,

3725
02:27:04,020 --> 02:27:05,020
amended.

3726
02:27:05,020 --> 02:27:06,020
[Inaudible]

3727
02:27:06,020 --> 02:27:07,020
>> Now we need vote. So all in

3728
02:27:07,020 --> 02:27:12,020
favour? Okay.

3729
02:27:15,020 --> 02:27:16,020
- 6. 1 Accorder un soutien

3730
02:27:16,020 --> 02:27:17,020
financier à divers organismes

3731
02:27:17,020 --> 02:27:18,020
sans but lucratif pour un

3732
02:27:18,020 --> 02:27:23,020
montant de 27500 $.

3733
02:27:26,020 --> 02:27:29,020
la résidence de soins palliatifs

3734
02:27:29,020 --> 02:27:31,020
terrestres Adélard: 25000

3735
02:27:31,020 --> 02:27:32,020
dollars, la Société

3736
02:27:32,020 --> 02:27:33,020
d'horticulture

3737
02:27:33,020 --> 02:27:34,020
(---)

3738
02:27:34,020 --> 02:27:35,020
.

3739
02:27:35,020 --> 02:27:36,020
(inaudible)

3740
02:27:36,020 --> 02:27:37,020
(---)

3741
02:27:37,020 --> 02:27:38,020
.

3742
02:27:38,020 --> 02:27:42,020
>> Granted financial support to

3743
02:27:42,020 --> 02:27:44,020
nonprofit organizations for

3744
02:27:44,020 --> 02:27:45,020
$25,000 and financial support to

3745
02:27:45,020 --> 02:27:46,020
the 6. 3 Autoriser des membres

3746
02:27:46,020 --> 02:27:47,020
du conseil et la directrice

3747
02:27:47,020 --> 02:27:48,020
générale à Lakeshore Hospital

3748
02:27:48,020 --> 02:27:49,020
représenter la Ville de

3749
02:27:49,020 --> 02:27:50,020
Pointe-Claire au congrès annuel

3750
02:27:50,020 --> 02:27:51,020
de l'Union des Municipalités du

3751
02:27:51,020 --> 02:27:52,020
Québec

3752
02:27:52,020 --> 02:27:53,020
(UMQ)

3753
02:27:53,020 --> 02:27:54,020
Foundation. Devant se tenir du 3

3754
02:27:54,020 --> 02:27:58,020
au 5 mai 2023 à Gatineau.

3755
02:27:59,020 --> 02:28:01,080
d'autoriser les dépenses et le

3756
02:28:01,080 --> 02:28:02,080
remboursement des frais d'assise

3757
02:28:02,080 --> 02:28:04,080
de l'UMQ 2023 conformément à la

3758
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:06,080
politique en vigueur. Le maire

3759
02:28:06,080 --> 02:28:08,080
Tim Thomas, Mesdames les

3760
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:11,080
conseillères Cynthia Homan, quel

3761
02:28:11,080 --> 02:28:13,080
est Thorstad-Cullen, Eric Stork

3762
02:28:13,080 --> 02:28:16,080
et Bruno Tremblay, madame la

3763
02:28:16,080 --> 02:28:17,080
directrice générale madame

3764
02:28:17,080 --> 02:28:19,080
Karina Verdon.

3765
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:23,080
6.4, other as members of Council

3766
02:28:23,080 --> 02:28:25,080
to represent Pointe-Claire

3767
02:28:25,080 --> 02:28:26,080
Canadian municipalities

3768
02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:29,080
convention to be ultra made 25

3769
02:28:29,080 --> 02:28:30,080
to May 28th 2023 in Toronto,

3770
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:32,080
Ontario. To authorize the

3771
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:35,080
expenses and reimbursement of

3772
02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:37,080
costs related to the Federation

3773
02:28:37,080 --> 02:28:39,080
of Canadian Municipalities

3774
02:28:39,080 --> 02:28:42,080
annual conference in accordance

3775
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:44,080
with the current policy. The

3776
02:28:44,080 --> 02:28:46,080
authorized persons are the mayor

3777
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:49,080
Tim Thomas, Councillors carried

3778
02:28:49,080 --> 02:28:51,080
Thorstad-Cullen, Bruno Tremblay

3779
02:28:51,080 --> 02:28:53,080
and Eric Stork.

3780
02:28:53,080 --> 02:28:54,080
>> Do I have a mover?

3781
02:28:54,080 --> 02:28:55,080
>> Force for six point 1 to 6

3782
02:28:55,080 --> 02:28:57,080
point? For

3783
02:28:57,080 --> 02:28:58,080
>> Eric Stork, district second.

3784
02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:03,040
>> And seconder?

3785
02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:04,040
>> Bruno Tremblay district six

3786
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:05,040
and seven.

3787
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:06,040
>> All in favour? 7. 1 Nommer un

3788
02:29:06,040 --> 02:29:07,040
membre au sein du Comité d'art

3789
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:11,040
public de Pointe-Claire. cette

3790
02:29:11,040 --> 02:29:12,040
résolution recommande la

3791
02:29:12,040 --> 02:29:13,040
nomination de monsieur Benoît

3792
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:15,040
Jodoin à titre de membre expert

3793
02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:17,040
bon père de 3 ans

3794
02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:18,040
(---)

3795
02:29:18,040 --> 02:29:20,040
au 31 décembre 2025. Le conseil

3796
02:29:20,040 --> 02:29:21,040
municipal procède à la

3797
02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:22,040
nomination des membres des

3798
02:29:22,040 --> 02:29:25,040
comités dans la sélection et la

3799
02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:26,040
composition finale demeure à son

3800
02:29:26,040 --> 02:29:28,040
entière discrétion.

3801
02:29:32,040 --> 02:29:34,040
>> Seven point to prove the

3802
02:29:34,040 --> 02:29:35,040
reappointment and nomination of

3803
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:37,040
members to the Stewart hall

3804
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:38,040
advisory board. The Stewart Hall

3805
02:29:38,040 --> 02:29:39,040
Advisory Committee

3806
02:29:39,040 --> 02:29:42,040
Recommends the appointment of

3807
02:29:42,040 --> 02:29:44,040
Mr. Leary on his, Mrs. L and

3808
02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:45,040
Chris Knott, Mrs. Linda do it,

3809
02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:47,040
and Mrs. losing a point for

3810
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:49,040
three years, three-year terms

3811
02:29:49,040 --> 02:29:54,040
for

3812
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:56,040
January 1st 2023 to December

3813
02:29:56,040 --> 02:29:57,040
31st 2025. The advisory

3814
02:29:57,040 --> 02:29:58,040
committee also recommends the

3815
02:29:58,040 --> 02:30:01,000
appointment of two new members,

3816
02:30:01,000 --> 02:30:03,000
Alexandra Nova and Marilyn Smith

3817
02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:05,000
for three years terms for

3818
02:30:05,000 --> 02:30:09,000
January 1st, 2023 to December

3819
02:30:09,000 --> 02:30:10,000
31st 2025. So Council should

3820
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:12,000
proceed with the appointment of

3821
02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:14,000
community members, the final

3822
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:15,000
selection and composition of

3823
02:30:15,000 --> 02:30:18,000
which shall be absolved it the

3824
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:21,000
question of Council. 9. 1

3825
02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:22,000
Approuver une modification au

3826
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:23,000
contrat intervenu avec « Pénéga

3827
02:30:23,000 --> 02:30:24,000
Communications Inc.  », pour la

3828
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:25,000
fourniture des services de

3829
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:26,000
photographies et de vidéos pour

3830
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:27,000
un montant de 3840, 23 $, taxes

3831
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:31,000
incluses.

3832
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:33,000
(inaudible)

3833
02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:35,000
(---)

3834
02:30:41,000 --> 02:30:42,000
>> Do I have a mover.

3835
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:45,000
>> So the home district five or

3836
02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:46,000
7.1, I moved to a point a member

3837
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:49,000
to the Pointe-Claire Public Park

3838
02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:51,000
committee. For 7.2 I move to

3839
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:53,000
withdraw this item from the

3840
02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:56,000
agenda, due to new information

3841
02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:58,000
that needs to be evaluated by

3842
02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:00,060
the City administration. This is

3843
02:31:00,060 --> 02:31:03,060
brought to our attention for the

3844
02:31:03,060 --> 02:31:07,060
public meeting and I move to

3845
02:31:08,060 --> 02:31:09,060
approve 9.1 a change order to

3846
02:31:09,060 --> 02:31:12,060
the contract entered into with

3847
02:31:12,060 --> 02:31:14,060
-- communications and the supply

3848
02:31:14,060 --> 02:31:16,060
of photos and video services for

3849
02:31:16,060 --> 02:31:20,060
amount of $3,483.43, tax

3850
02:31:20,060 --> 02:31:21,060
included.

3851
02:31:21,060 --> 02:31:25,060
>> So do I now have a mover for,

3852
02:31:25,060 --> 02:31:27,060
for the removal?

3853
02:31:27,060 --> 02:31:29,060
>> I am withdrawing seven point.

3854
02:31:29,060 --> 02:31:30,060
Two

3855
02:31:30,060 --> 02:31:31,060
>> Okay. So we have to have a

3856
02:31:31,060 --> 02:31:32,060
motion to withdraw.

3857
02:31:32,060 --> 02:31:34,060
>> And we need a seconder.

3858
02:31:34,060 --> 02:31:36,060
>> A seconder please, for the

3859
02:31:36,060 --> 02:31:37,060
withdrawal?

3860
02:31:37,060 --> 02:31:40,060
>> Yeah, given the fact that we

3861
02:31:40,060 --> 02:31:43,060
were in block for 7.1, 7.2 and

3862
02:31:43,060 --> 02:31:45,060
9.1, do you want to vote

3863
02:31:45,060 --> 02:31:47,060
separately on 7.2?

3864
02:31:47,060 --> 02:31:48,060
>> Yes.

3865
02:31:48,060 --> 02:31:50,060
>> For the withdrawal.

3866
02:31:50,060 --> 02:31:51,060
>> Sure.

3867
02:31:51,060 --> 02:31:54,060
>> Then we will go back to 7.1

3868
02:31:54,060 --> 02:31:56,060
in 5.1. So 7.2 it's a

3869
02:31:56,060 --> 02:31:57,060
withdrawal.

3870
02:31:57,060 --> 02:31:58,060
>> That's correct. Since you

3871
02:31:58,060 --> 02:32:02,020
want me to say that I move 7.1

3872
02:32:02,020 --> 02:32:05,020
and 9.1 for a vote.

3873
02:32:05,020 --> 02:32:06,020
>> Yes.

3874
02:32:06,020 --> 02:32:07,020
>> Do I have a seconder?

3875
02:32:07,020 --> 02:32:09,020
>> I agree.

3876
02:32:09,020 --> 02:32:11,020
>> All in favour?

3877
02:32:11,020 --> 02:32:14,020
>> Are we doing seven to?

3878
02:32:14,020 --> 02:32:18,020
>> 71 or nine. One

3879
02:32:18,020 --> 02:32:19,020
>> 71 a 91 right now.

3880
02:32:19,020 --> 02:32:23,020
>> And we are back to 71. Every

3881
02:32:23,020 --> 02:32:24,020
once in. Favour

3882
02:32:24,020 --> 02:32:27,020
>> For 7.1 a 9.1, all in favour?

3883
02:32:27,020 --> 02:32:28,020
>> Correct.

3884
02:32:28,020 --> 02:32:32,020
>> Back to 7.2. So you're moving

3885
02:32:32,020 --> 02:32:36,020
that so we need a seconder. Go

3886
02:32:36,020 --> 02:32:38,020
ahead.

3887
02:32:38,020 --> 02:32:42,020
>> 7.1, second Bob is the net.

3888
02:32:42,020 --> 02:32:44,020
>> 7.2, Paul.

3889
02:32:44,020 --> 02:32:46,020
>> 7.2, I agree that --

3890
02:32:46,020 --> 02:32:51,020
>> You second the withdrawal?

3891
02:32:52,020 --> 02:32:53,020
All right.

3892
02:32:53,020 --> 02:32:58,020
>> All in favour? All against?

3893
02:33:01,080 --> 02:33:05,080
Okay. 10. 1 Déposer la liste des

3894
02:33:05,080 --> 02:33:06,080
amendements budgétaires et le

3895
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:07,080
registre des chèques pour la

3896
02:33:07,080 --> 02:33:11,080
période du 5 au 25 janvier 2023.

3897
02:33:25,080 --> 02:33:26,080
>> Municipalities are required

3898
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:28,080
to table report of the

3899
02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:29,080
administration of their contract

3900
02:33:29,080 --> 02:33:33,080
agents by at least once 10. a

3901
02:33:33,080 --> 02:33:34,080
year and a council meeting 3

3902
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:35,080
Autoriser un amendement

3903
02:33:35,080 --> 02:33:36,080
budgétaire afin de. Régulariser

3904
02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:37,080
les postes budgétaires ayant des

3905
02:33:37,080 --> 02:33:38,080
soldes déficitaires au 31

3906
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:43,080
décembre 2022. les dépenses sont

3907
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:45,080
liés aux contrats de services,

3908
02:33:45,080 --> 02:33:46,080
(inaudible)

3909
02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:47,080
(---)

3910
02:33:47,080 --> 02:33:50,080
. Aux Services professionnels

3911
02:33:50,080 --> 02:33:52,080
pour les fouilles

3912
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:53,080
archéologiques, à différents

3913
02:33:53,080 --> 02:33:54,080
travaux de menuiserie,

3914
02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:55,080
(inaudible)

3915
02:33:55,080 --> 02:33:56,080
(---)

3916
02:33:56,080 --> 02:34:01,040
. De services professionnels.

3917
02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:04,040
10.4. Appropriate funds to

3918
02:34:04,040 --> 02:34:07,040
create new budgetary items for

3919
02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:09,040
reserves for the compression of

3920
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:12,040
information technology projects

3921
02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:13,040
in 2023 following the adoption

3922
02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:17,040
of the 2023 C IP the City wishes

3923
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:21,040
to appropriate $1,295,000 from

3924
02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:24,040
the general fund surplus, not

3925
02:34:24,040 --> 02:34:25,040
otherwise 10. 5 Octroyer un

3926
02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:26,040
contrat pour la fourniture de

3927
02:34:26,040 --> 02:34:27,040
vêtements de travail pour les

3928
02:34:27,040 --> 02:34:28,040
appropriated. Cols bleus pour

3929
02:34:28,040 --> 02:34:29,040
l'année 2023 à « Le Groupe

3930
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:30,040
d'importation et de distribution

3931
02:34:30,040 --> 02:34:31,040
Hugo inc.

3932
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:32,040
(Promotion Plus)

3933
02:34:32,040 --> 02:34:33,040
», pour un montant total de

3934
02:34:33,040 --> 02:34:34,040
173526, 59 $, taxes incluses,

3935
02:34:34,040 --> 02:34:35,040
avec les années 2024 et 2025 en

3936
02:34:35,040 --> 02:34:40,040
option.

3937
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:48,040
>> For 10.3 to 10.5, do I have a

3938
02:34:48,040 --> 02:34:50,040
mover?

3939
02:34:50,040 --> 02:34:55,040
>> Ted Cowan district eight.

3940
02:34:56,040 --> 02:34:57,040
>> And secondary?

3941
02:34:57,040 --> 02:34:59,040
>> Eric Stork, district second

3942
02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:02,000
district seven.

3943
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:05,000
>> All in favour?

3944
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:36,000
>>

3945
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:37,000
>> In this regard, the Council

3946
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:40,000
of the municipality may be, made

3947
02:35:40,000 --> 02:35:43,000
by resolution establish a rate

3948
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:44,000
of remuneration or allowance

3949
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:46,000
that is higher than that

3950
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:49,000
established by a minister. The

3951
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:50,000
recommended rates shell take

3952
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:52,000
into account rage paid to date

3953
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:56,000
by the City of Pointe-Claire.

3954
02:35:56,000 --> 02:35:57,000
12. 1 Déposer la liste des

3955
02:35:57,000 --> 02:35:58,000
changements au personnel par

3956
02:35:58,000 --> 02:35:59,000
décisions déléguées pour le mois

3957
02:35:59,000 --> 02:36:04,060
de février 2023. 12 point to

3958
02:36:06,060 --> 02:36:09,060
approve the chaff staff changes

3959
02:36:09,060 --> 02:36:10,060
to 2020. Three

3960
02:36:10,060 --> 02:36:12,060
>> For 11 point 1 to 11 point

3961
02:36:12,060 --> 02:36:14,060
would weigh them?

3962
02:36:14,060 --> 02:36:18,060
>> Moved by Tara Stainforth,

3963
02:36:19,060 --> 02:36:20,060
district four.

3964
02:36:20,060 --> 02:36:23,060
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3965
02:36:23,060 --> 02:36:24,060
district four.

3966
02:36:24,060 --> 02:36:25,060
>> Any other? 14. 1 Autoriser un

3967
02:36:25,060 --> 02:36:26,060
amendement budgétaire afin de

3968
02:36:26,060 --> 02:36:27,060
régulariser les soldes

3969
02:36:27,060 --> 02:36:31,060
déficitaires au budget 2022. une

3970
02:36:32,060 --> 02:36:34,060
valeur totale de 498000 dollars.

3971
02:36:36,060 --> 02:36:39,060
14 point, to approve a change

3972
02:36:39,060 --> 02:36:42,060
order to the contract entered

3973
02:36:42,060 --> 02:36:44,060
into with -- for the supply and

3974
02:36:44,060 --> 02:36:47,060
delivery of 24 by four pickup

3975
02:36:47,060 --> 02:36:50,060
trucks with crew cabins, 2021,

3976
02:36:50,060 --> 02:36:55,060
for an amount of $49,094.30,

3977
02:36:56,060 --> 02:36:58,060
taxes included. Due to current

3978
02:36:58,060 --> 02:37:00,020
delays in the automotive

3979
02:37:00,020 --> 02:37:02,020
industry polite supply chain an

3980
02:37:02,020 --> 02:37:04,020
additional amount is payable to

3981
02:37:04,020 --> 02:37:06,020
-- to ensure the original order

3982
02:37:06,020 --> 02:37:09,020
placed for two vehicles remains

3983
02:37:09,020 --> 02:37:12,020
confirmed. 14. 3 Approuver une

3984
02:37:12,020 --> 02:37:13,020
modification au contrat

3985
02:37:13,020 --> 02:37:14,020
intervenu avec « Jacques Olivier

3986
02:37:14,020 --> 02:37:15,020
Ford », pour la fourniture et la

3987
02:37:15,020 --> 02:37:16,020
livraison d'une camionnette

3988
02:37:16,020 --> 02:37:17,020
(4x4)

3989
02:37:17,020 --> 02:37:18,020
avec chassis cabine, année 2021,

3990
02:37:18,020 --> 02:37:19,020
pour un montant de 24820, 12 $,

3991
02:37:19,020 --> 02:37:24,020
taxes incluses.

3992
02:37:27,020 --> 02:37:30,020
14.4, the water contract supply

3993
02:37:30,020 --> 02:37:31,020
of services for the collection,

3994
02:37:31,020 --> 02:37:35,020
transport, and value-ization of

3995
02:37:35,020 --> 02:37:40,020
-- four total amount of 26,000

3996
02:37:40,020 --> 02:37:42,020
$621,000.21, taxes included. For

3997
02:37:42,020 --> 02:37:44,020
the year 2020 for an option.

3998
02:37:44,020 --> 02:37:47,020
This contract will allow for the

3999
02:37:47,020 --> 02:37:49,020
continuation of the voluntary

4000
02:37:49,020 --> 02:37:51,020
drop of service for the citizens

4001
02:37:51,020 --> 02:37:53,020
of the city. In accordance with

4002
02:37:53,020 --> 02:37:56,020
the city's -- development path

4003
02:37:56,020 --> 02:37:57,020
policy developed in 2017, the

4004
02:37:57,020 --> 02:37:59,020
public works department is

4005
02:37:59,020 --> 02:38:02,080
making its efforts to divert as

4006
02:38:02,080 --> 02:38:03,080
much material as possible from

4007
02:38:03,080 --> 02:38:05,080
landfill. To this hand, the City

4008
02:38:05,080 --> 02:38:07,080
offers a voluntary drop off site

4009
02:38:07,080 --> 02:38:09,080
and must hire an outside company

4010
02:38:09,080 --> 02:38:10,080
to collect, transport, and

4011
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:13,080
recycle their material.

4012
02:38:13,080 --> 02:38:17,080
>> For 14.1 to 14.4, do I have a

4013
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:19,080
mover?

4014
02:38:19,080 --> 02:38:20,080
>> District to.

4015
02:38:20,080 --> 02:38:21,080
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

4016
02:38:21,080 --> 02:38:26,080
>> All in favour?

4017
02:38:28,080 --> 02:38:29,080
- 15. 1 Approuver une

4018
02:38:29,080 --> 02:38:30,080
modification au contrat

4019
02:38:30,080 --> 02:38:31,080
intervenu avec « Construction

4020
02:38:31,080 --> 02:38:32,080
Doverco Inc.  », pour la

4021
02:38:32,080 --> 02:38:33,080
réparation de maçonnerie et des

4022
02:38:33,080 --> 02:38:34,080
travaux de remplacement des

4023
02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:35,080
fenêtres au Stewart Hall pour un

4024
02:38:35,080 --> 02:38:38,080
montant de 28109, 94 $, taxes

4025
02:38:38,080 --> 02:38:39,080
incluses. la découverte de

4026
02:38:39,080 --> 02:38:41,080
parties de charpente de bois

4027
02:38:41,080 --> 02:38:42,080
pour y a nécessité des travaux

4028
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:44,080
supplémentaires.

4029
02:38:46,080 --> 02:38:48,080
>> Approve a change order

4030
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:49,080
entered into with -- for the

4031
02:38:49,080 --> 02:38:51,080
construction of a new

4032
02:38:51,080 --> 02:38:53,080
neighbourhood police station for

4033
02:38:53,080 --> 02:38:57,080
a credit of $4,943.15, taxes

4034
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:00,040
included. Various modifications

4035
02:39:00,040 --> 02:39:02,040
made during the course of the

4036
02:39:02,040 --> 02:39:04,040
work at the request of the City

4037
02:39:04,040 --> 02:39:06,040
of Montréal and 15. 3 Octroyer

4038
02:39:06,040 --> 02:39:07,040
un contrat pour des travaux

4039
02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:08,040
d'entretien et de réparation de

4040
02:39:08,040 --> 02:39:09,040
nature électrique pour la

4041
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:10,040
période de février 2023 à

4042
02:39:10,040 --> 02:39:11,040
décembre 2024, à by the

4043
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:12,040
contractors. « Mofax Électrique

4044
02:39:12,040 --> 02:39:13,040
Ltée », pour un montant total de

4045
02:39:13,040 --> 02:39:14,040
949233, 60 $, taxes incluses,

4046
02:39:14,040 --> 02:39:15,040
avec les années 2025, 2026 et

4047
02:39:15,040 --> 02:39:20,040
2027 en option.

4048
02:39:25,040 --> 02:39:26,040
un contrat qui prévoit des

4049
02:39:26,040 --> 02:39:28,040
travaux d'entretien et de

4050
02:39:28,040 --> 02:39:30,040
réparation en effet électricité

4051
02:39:30,040 --> 02:39:31,040
(---)

4052
02:39:31,040 --> 02:39:33,040
de réaménagement électrique.

4053
02:39:38,040 --> 02:39:39,040
>> 15.4 to 15.3, do I have a

4054
02:39:39,040 --> 02:39:40,040
mover?

4055
02:39:40,040 --> 02:39:44,040
>> Yes, I propose approval of 15

4056
02:39:44,040 --> 02:39:45,040
1 to 3. District six.

4057
02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:47,040
>> And seconder?

4058
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:48,040
>> Cindy home district five.

4059
02:39:48,040 --> 02:39:51,040
>> All in favour?

4060
02:40:01,000 --> 02:40:03,000
>> 16.1, designated authorize

4061
02:40:03,000 --> 02:40:07,000
represented to sign the court

4062
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:09,000
documents accompanying the final

4063
02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:11,000
report pursuant to the agreement

4064
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:14,000
entered into with the Federation

4065
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:17,000
of Canadian Municipalities under

4066
02:40:17,000 --> 02:40:19,000
the Municipal asset management

4067
02:40:19,000 --> 02:40:21,000
program. Authorize a director of

4068
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:24,000
a engineering to sign the court

4069
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:25,000
documents 16.. 2 Approuver une

4070
02:40:25,000 --> 02:40:26,000
modification au contrat

4071
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:27,000
intervenu avec « Réalisation

4072
02:40:27,000 --> 02:40:28,000
Dynamique Inc.  », pour la

4073
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:29,000
construction d'une aire de jeu

4074
02:40:29,000 --> 02:40:30,000
d'eau au parc Augusta pour un

4075
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:31,000
montant de 20613, 87 $, taxes

4076
02:40:31,000 --> 02:40:36,000
incluses.

4077
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:42,000
l'ajout d'un conduit rigide en

4078
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:44,000
PVC, de trois fils électriques,

4079
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:45,000
l'installation de

4080
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:46,000
(inaudible)

4081
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:47,000
(---)

4082
02:40:47,000 --> 02:40:48,000
.

4083
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:49,000
>> The 0.3, approve a change

4084
02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:52,000
order to the contract entered

4085
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:55,000
into for the supply installation

4086
02:40:55,000 --> 02:40:57,000
of L.E.D. street lights through

4087
02:40:57,000 --> 02:41:02,060
the to an amount of $23,541.13,

4088
02:41:02,060 --> 02:41:05,060
taxes included. Supply and

4089
02:41:05,060 --> 02:41:06,060
installation of photo cells on

4090
02:41:06,060 --> 02:41:08,060
the guarded lights that are

4091
02:41:08,060 --> 02:41:10,060
connected to the same electrical

4092
02:41:10,060 --> 02:41:15,060
network as the lead road lights.

4093
02:41:15,060 --> 02:41:16,060
16. 4 Approuver une entente à

4094
02:41:16,060 --> 02:41:17,060
intervenir avec « Sa Majesté du

4095
02:41:17,060 --> 02:41:18,060
Chef du Canada », représenté par

4096
02:41:18,060 --> 02:41:19,060
le ministre de l'Infrastructure

4097
02:41:19,060 --> 02:41:20,060
et des Collectivités, concernant

4098
02:41:20,060 --> 02:41:21,060
une contribution dans le cadre

4099
02:41:21,060 --> 02:41:22,060
du Fonds pour le transport actif

4100
02:41:22,060 --> 02:41:23,060
dans le cadre du projet de

4101
02:41:23,060 --> 02:41:24,060
construction d'une passerelle

4102
02:41:24,060 --> 02:41:25,060
pour piétons et cyclistes

4103
02:41:25,060 --> 02:41:26,060
permettant de franchir

4104
02:41:26,060 --> 02:41:27,060
l'autoroute 40, dans l'axe du

4105
02:41:27,060 --> 02:41:28,060
boulevard Saint-Jean à

4106
02:41:28,060 --> 02:41:32,060
Pointe-Claire.

4107
02:41:32,060 --> 02:41:34,060
la Ville confirme qu'il répond

4108
02:41:34,060 --> 02:41:36,060
aux exigences de l'entente de

4109
02:41:36,060 --> 02:41:37,060
contribution dans le cadre du

4110
02:41:37,060 --> 02:41:38,060
fonds pour le transport actif

4111
02:41:38,060 --> 02:41:43,060
pour le projet de construction

4112
02:41:44,060 --> 02:41:45,060
d'une passerelle pour piétons et

4113
02:41:45,060 --> 02:41:46,060
cyclistes permettant de franchir

4114
02:41:46,060 --> 02:41:47,060
l'autoroute 40, dans l'axe du

4115
02:41:47,060 --> 02:41:48,060
boulevard Saint-Jean à

4116
02:41:48,060 --> 02:41:50,060
Pointe-Claire..

4117
02:41:53,060 --> 02:41:55,060
>> Do I have a mover?

4118
02:41:55,060 --> 02:41:56,060
>> District. To

4119
02:41:56,060 --> 02:42:00,020
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

4120
02:42:00,020 --> 02:42:01,020
>> All in favour? 17. Urbanisme

4121
02:42:01,020 --> 02:42:02,020
Les personnes présentes peuvent

4122
02:42:02,020 --> 02:42:03,020
s'adresser au conseil concernant

4123
02:42:03,020 --> 02:42:04,020
les sujets ci-dessous pour les

4124
02:42:04,020 --> 02:42:08,020
items 17. 1 à 17. 4:

4125
02:42:08,020 --> 02:42:09,020
>> The reason presented as

4126
02:42:09,020 --> 02:42:11,020
Council on the subjects under

4127
02:42:11,020 --> 02:42:13,020
The 17. 1 Considérer une demande

4128
02:42:13,020 --> 02:42:14,020
de dérogation mineure concernant

4129
02:42:14,020 --> 02:42:15,020
la propriété sise au 83, avenue

4130
02:42:15,020 --> 02:42:20,020
Fifth. 17.1 to 17.4. Permettre

4131
02:42:22,020 --> 02:42:24,020
l'agrandissement d'une résidence

4132
02:42:24,020 --> 02:42:25,020
unifamiliale détachées avec une

4133
02:42:25,020 --> 02:42:26,020
marge de recul latérale adjacent

4134
02:42:26,020 --> 02:42:30,020
à l'autoroute 23,25 mètres

4135
02:42:30,020 --> 02:42:31,020
puisque le minimum requis est de

4136
02:42:31,020 --> 02:42:32,020
(inaudible)

4137
02:42:32,020 --> 02:42:33,020
(---)

4138
02:42:33,020 --> 02:42:34,020
.

4139
02:42:34,020 --> 02:42:35,020
>> 17.2,

4140
02:42:35,020 --> 02:42:37,020
A minor exemption Jen request

4141
02:42:37,020 --> 02:42:40,020
from the 63 Avenue Pointe-Claire

4142
02:42:40,020 --> 02:42:43,020
Avenue with a portico setback of

4143
02:42:43,020 --> 02:42:46,020
16.15 minutes metres weather

4144
02:42:46,020 --> 02:42:48,020
then rather than the minimum

4145
02:42:48,020 --> 02:42:53,020
required of 7.2 metres. Oh,

4146
02:42:53,020 --> 02:42:56,020
there is a question.

4147
02:43:04,080 --> 02:43:05,080
C'est pour la marge avant, cette

4148
02:43:05,080 --> 02:43:08,080
dérogation?

4149
02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:09,080
(inaudible)

4150
02:43:09,080 --> 02:43:10,080
(---)

4151
02:43:10,080 --> 02:43:11,080
.

4152
02:43:11,080 --> 02:43:12,080
- L'adresse sur l'a vu la nuit

4153
02:43:12,080 --> 02:43:14,080
Pointe-Claire?

4154
02:43:25,080 --> 02:43:28,080
- Le conseil a une

4155
02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:29,080
recommandation du comité

4156
02:43:29,080 --> 02:43:32,080
consultatif d'urbanisme.

4157
02:43:32,080 --> 02:43:36,080
- Revenez moi avec les détails.

4158
02:43:39,080 --> 02:43:40,080
Il y a deux adresses.

4159
02:43:40,080 --> 02:43:41,080
(inaudible)

4160
02:43:41,080 --> 02:43:42,080
(---)

4161
02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:44,080
.

4162
02:43:47,080 --> 02:43:49,080
>> It's two includes the front

4163
02:43:49,080 --> 02:43:51,080
porch. The front porch already

4164
02:43:51,080 --> 02:43:54,080
exists with the minor exemption.

4165
02:43:54,080 --> 02:43:56,080
It's to enclose it. So the porch

4166
02:43:56,080 --> 02:44:01,040
is staying in the same place.

4167
02:44:01,040 --> 02:44:04,040
>> Okay.

4168
02:44:20,040 --> 02:44:22,040
>> Anybody else to ask a

4169
02:44:22,040 --> 02:44:25,040
question? No? Okay.

4170
02:44:32,040 --> 02:44:35,040
- C'est correct, je m'excuse.

4171
02:44:40,040 --> 02:44:41,040
- 17. 3 Considérer une demande

4172
02:44:41,040 --> 02:44:42,040
de dérogation mineure concernant

4173
02:44:42,040 --> 02:44:43,040
la propriété sise au 4025,

4174
02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:44,040
Autoroute Transcanadienne.

4175
02:44:44,040 --> 02:44:45,040
(inaudible)

4176
02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:46,040
(---)

4177
02:44:46,040 --> 02:44:51,040
.

4178
02:44:54,040 --> 02:44:56,040
L'installation d'appareils de

4179
02:44:56,040 --> 02:44:57,040
mécanique sur le toit

4180
02:44:57,040 --> 02:44:58,040
(inaudible)

4181
02:44:58,040 --> 02:44:59,040
(---)

4182
02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:01,000
, plutôt que le maximum permis

4183
02:45:01,000 --> 02:45:02,000
de 3 mètres. L'installation de

4184
02:45:02,000 --> 02:45:04,000
cinq frigos d'entreposage dans

4185
02:45:04,000 --> 02:45:06,000
la marge latérale gauche, plutôt

4186
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:08,000
que dans la marge latérale tel

4187
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:10,000
que permis. L'installation de

4188
02:45:10,000 --> 02:45:11,000
cinq silos d'entreposage situés

4189
02:45:11,000 --> 02:45:14,000
à ça de mettre de la propriété

4190
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:16,000
latérale plutôt que le minimum

4191
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:18,000
de 10 mètres.

4192
02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:19,000
(inaudible)

4193
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:20,000
(---)

4194
02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:22,000
, c'est de 126 à 101.

4195
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:26,000
>> 17.4, minor exemptions

4196
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:31,000
considering the property at 60

4197
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:34,000
301 and 60 701, the highway,

4198
02:45:34,000 --> 02:45:36,000
installation of science in the

4199
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:39,000
straight line on all three

4200
02:45:39,000 --> 02:45:42,000
facades a block wide rather than

4201
02:45:42,000 --> 02:45:45,000
installed one above the other as

4202
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:48,000
permitted. Two signs attached

4203
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:52,000
letters in a frame whereas on

4204
02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:55,000
that letters are permitted 17..

4205
02:45:55,000 --> 02:45:56,000
5 Considérer les plans

4206
02:45:56,000 --> 02:45:57,000
d'implantation et d'intégration

4207
02:45:57,000 --> 02:45:58,000
architecturale relatifs à la

4208
02:45:58,000 --> 02:46:02,060
propriété sise au 17, avenue

4209
02:46:02,060 --> 02:46:03,060
Condover.

4210
02:46:03,060 --> 02:46:04,060
(inaudible)

4211
02:46:04,060 --> 02:46:07,060
(---)

4212
02:46:12,060 --> 02:46:14,060
>> 17.6 consider the integration

4213
02:46:14,060 --> 02:46:17,060
program place with respect to

4214
02:46:17,060 --> 02:46:18,060
the properties so minute and a

4215
02:46:18,060 --> 02:46:20,060
jurist be avenue for a motion to

4216
02:46:20,060 --> 02:46:23,060
end the new construction.

4217
02:46:34,060 --> 02:46:38,060
.

4218
02:46:38,060 --> 02:46:39,060
>> 17. 7 Considérer les plans

4219
02:46:39,060 --> 02:46:40,060
d'implantation et d'intégration

4220
02:46:40,060 --> 02:46:41,060
architecturale relatifs à la

4221
02:46:41,060 --> 02:46:42,060
propriété, sise au 10, situated

4222
02:46:42,060 --> 02:46:44,060
at avenue Jervis Bay. 63

4223
02:46:44,060 --> 02:46:47,060
Pointe-Claire for an extension

4224
02:46:47,060 --> 02:46:49,060
and outdoor renovation.

4225
02:46:49,060 --> 02:46:53,060
>> Do I have a mover for 17.1 to

4226
02:46:53,060 --> 02:46:54,060
17.8?

4227
02:46:54,060 --> 02:46:56,060
>> I move to consider and

4228
02:46:56,060 --> 02:47:01,020
approve the minor exemptions

4229
02:47:02,020 --> 02:47:03,020
from 17.1 to 17.4 and consider

4230
02:47:03,020 --> 02:47:05,020
and approve the site planning

4231
02:47:05,020 --> 02:47:08,020
architectural plans for 17 point

4232
02:47:08,020 --> 02:47:10,020
5 to 17 point. Eight Kelly

4233
02:47:10,020 --> 02:47:12,020
Thorstad-Cullen, district three.

4234
02:47:12,020 --> 02:47:14,020
>> I seconded. All

4235
02:47:14,020 --> 02:47:18,020
>> In favour? 18. 1 Approuver un

4236
02:47:18,020 --> 02:47:19,020
don de documents usagés

4237
02:47:19,020 --> 02:47:20,020
provenant des collections de la

4238
02:47:20,020 --> 02:47:21,020
bibliothèque publique de

4239
02:47:21,020 --> 02:47:22,020
Pointe-Claire à Les Amis de la

4240
02:47:22,020 --> 02:47:24,020
Bibliothèque de Pointe-Claire.

4241
02:47:24,020 --> 02:47:25,020
(inaudible)

4242
02:47:25,020 --> 02:47:28,020
(---)

4243
02:47:38,020 --> 02:47:43,020
>> 18.2, approve a donation of

4244
02:47:48,020 --> 02:47:52,020
$175 to -- a donation of hundred

4245
02:47:52,020 --> 02:47:56,020
75 highly pony produced by hives

4246
02:47:56,020 --> 02:47:58,020
from the Pointe-Claire Public

4247
02:47:58,020 --> 02:47:59,020
Library. Do

4248
02:47:59,020 --> 02:48:01,080
>> We have a mover?

4249
02:48:01,080 --> 02:48:02,080
>> District. One

4250
02:48:02,080 --> 02:48:05,080
>> And seconder?

4251
02:48:05,080 --> 02:48:09,080
>> District eight.

4252
02:48:09,080 --> 02:48:14,080
>>..?

4253
02:48:17,080 --> 02:48:21,080
>>, Kelly Thorstad-Cullen.

4254
02:48:21,080 --> 02:48:25,080
>>?. Merci tout le monde..

4255
02:48:25,080 --> 02:48:27,080
(applaudissements)