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- Bonjour, tout le monde.

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Bonsoir.

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Le 20 avril prochain, c'est le

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jour de la Terre, comme par les

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années précédentes, à

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Pointe-Claire, nous célébrons

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cette journée en créant un

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événement. Comme d', habitude il

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y aura des activités pour les

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citoyens, on fera la

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distribution des arbres, et des

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barils de pluie, etc. mais pour

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une, première fois il y aura une

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grande corvée de nettoyage dans

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chaque district et chaque membre

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du conseil de la ville y

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participera. Vous serez donc

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invité à vous joindre à nous

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dans un parc près de chez vous.

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Toutes les informations seront

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communiquées sur notre site

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Internet et sur les ressources

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électroniques. C'est un

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rendez-vous, le 22 avril

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prochain, c'est un petit geste

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qui témoigne de notre intérêt

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commun à préserver notre

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environnement.

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>> April 22nd is earth day. Like

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every year in Pointe-Claire,

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we're celebrating the day by

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creating an event. Similar to

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previous years, the will be

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activities for citizens. There

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will be the distribution of

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reserve trees and rain barrels,

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et cetera. But for the first

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time, there will be a big

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cleanup and each district and

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every member of City Council

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will participate. You'll be

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invited to join us in a park

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near you. All the information

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will be posted on our website

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and on social networks. So it's

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the day on April 22nd. A small

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gesture showing our common

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interest in preserving our

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- Mères au front est un

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mouvement qui a pour mission de

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rassembler des femmes, des

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mères, des grand-mères pour

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mener des activités de

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mobilisation, d'éducation et de

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sensibilisation favorables à la

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protection de l'environnement.

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Comme vous le, savez plusieurs

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champs de compétence en matière

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d'environnement relève des

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municipalités, donc nous avons

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de nombreuses opportunités de

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construire un avenir durable

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pour les... pour nous et les

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générations à venir. Ce, soir

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nous avons le grand plaisir

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d'accueillir madame Sandra Mack

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qui viennent nous parler des

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actions de Mères au Front et

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nous remettre une chaise décorée

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par les enfants de l'école

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primaire de Pointe-Claire avant

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que la chaise occupe une place

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dans la salle du conseil. La

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chaise permettra symboliquement

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de rappeler aux élus que leurs

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décisions qui sont prises

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aujourd'hui à la Ville de

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Pointe-Claire ont un impact sur

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les jeunes générations futures.

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>> Our front is a movement that

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mission is to carry out

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activities embolization,

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education and awareness for the

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protection of the government. As

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environmental jurisdiction fall

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municipalities, which allows us

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many opportunities to build a

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sustainable future for ourselves

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and future generations. Tonight,

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we have the great pleasure of

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welcoming Mrs. Sandra Mackay,

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who is come to speak to us about

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an action and to present this

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with a chair decorated by the

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children of Pointe-Claire

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school. The chair will occupy

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the place in the council

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chamber. I want to remind the

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elected officials that the

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decisions that are made today in

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the city of Pointe-Claire have

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an impact on future generations.

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Miss Mackay, would you like to

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say a few words before we take

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>> -- I am with my dear

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colleague. Thank you for time

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and having us. And for a good

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decisions Pointe-Claire has

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made. I salute your initiatives

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for earth day, obviously. And

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so, yes, thank you for the good

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decisions you've made for our

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environment, our health and I

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would like to talk to you today

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as a mother. As a proud member

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of a two-year-old and

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five-year-old, excuse me -- I am

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indeed with a lot of other

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mothers and grandmothers

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advocating for a healthier,

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cleaner future. I am a

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psychologist here in

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Pointe-Claire. I work with

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children, adolescents and

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adults. Before and even longer,

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psychologist, I am also

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environmentalists and social

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educator. I'm also an advocate

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with the Canadian association

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for physicians for the

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environment. I do many things,

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as all of you, but I also give

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conferences about ego inside E

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to teens and adults because it

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is a growing phenomenon,

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unfortunately. Our teens are

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more and more preoccupied and

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angry. I would like to add,

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legitimately so. But they're

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trying to keep their hopes also,

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and where there for them for

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that too because action, hope,

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it's our best bet. Yes, I wanted

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to say that, of course, I cannot

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confidentiality, but I do have

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researchers, teachers, health

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professionals, parents who are

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concerned about what is

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happening. Yes, we give them

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coping strategies, how to manage

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your stress and stuff like that

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but I had to take good and

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coherent action for the

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environment remains our best

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move. Of course, all through

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political levels. We hear it

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everywhere. Health summits,

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sustainability summits,

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municipalities have a great deal

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of power so accordingly

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responsibility. When I bring the

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social justice aspect, it's also

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because I have more vulnerable

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populations in mind. So, yes,

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underprivileged areas, I know

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nearby. First Nations and all

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the world, certain groups,

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especially children, especially

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the elderly and women, outdoor

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workers, there's a bunch of

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impact sometimes threefold,

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tenfold. We're here to give you

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this generous chair that was

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made by the class of Miss --

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fourth graders ego Pointe-Claire

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right here. The chair is created

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by kids in more than 16

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municipalities of Québec as well

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as neighbourhoods are currently

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being, have been or will be

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given to their mayors and

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councillors. I will read the

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text that the children are at

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the Pointe-Claire school. The

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one they donated to share for

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you, City Council. They started

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when it, first of all, we just

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want to mention our project was

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done primarily by reusing

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materials. This brown chair

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represents a tree. The

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environment is a important issue

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that must be considered. The

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butterfly swings represent us,

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the youth. We all want to be

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able to fly away, thrive, fly

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freely with our own thanks. We

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want to do so in a clean, safe,

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healthy world where everyone can

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grow at their own pace. On the

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wings, we wrote words filled

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with hope and think that matter

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to us. I read just a few of the

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words that the row -- wanting

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to, aider les autres. Helping

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others imagination, imagination.

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, Amour love, hope.. Espoir.

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Prince as an example of the

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market that we want to leave and

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a place that we want to take. So

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good decisions you have made. I

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hope you continue in that

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direction or shift current

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decisions -- I won't lie to you,

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things are not super hopeful in

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many respects, but it's not too

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late to mitigate impacts. There

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is no hope, but it's not too

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soon, let's put it that way.

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are going to many impacts, as I

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capacities or choice as we have,

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but we do. There is no other

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option in my opinion to take

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care of this sociological

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transition that is much needed,

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20 years ago if possible. And

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taking care of the environment

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does mean taking care of our

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psychological health,

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physiological health, community

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health and the environment per

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se, of course, but also of our

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economical health, but you have

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more and more reports that now

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say the economic argument no

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longer is a valid one because

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there are costs related to

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prevention, mitigation,

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reconstruction, damages,

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insurance and health costs, when

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we don't take nature into

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account. Nature-based solutions

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exists. People all over the

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world are understanding the

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spaces and taking environmental

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decisions for a better pulmonary

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premature deaths and about 30

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other health benefits I won't

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nature. So, young generations,

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wondering why as a society, we

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educator, social justice

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educator and as a mother

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strongly support the idea that

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we make decisions in that

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direction. Thank you for the

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once you do end with our

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children in mind. I am almost

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done. We think that children

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that made this chair for the

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City Council. They represent the

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voices of so many others, and we

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thank them to. We think their

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teacher Virginia and you, so

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very much for your time for what

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you have done and for what he

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will hopefully continue doing in

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the social ecological transition

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together. For them, for you and

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even for the people who don't

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feel concerned about

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environmental issues but aren't

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less related to the potential

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impacts or benefits of such

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decisions. Thank you so much.

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[Applause]

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- On peut prendre

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Une photo, maintenant?

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- Est-ce qu'on peut prendre une

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photo de nos enfants maintenant

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avec la chaise, est-ce que vous

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acceptez? Je suis psychologue,

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je vais vous demander votre

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consentement libre et éclairé,

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c'est une déformation

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professionnelle!

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(rires)

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(conversations indistinctes)

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- À, parfait.

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- Mais après ça...

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- Monsieur ne veut pas être dans

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la photo, je crois.

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- Désolé pour ceux qui...

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- Très bien, merci beaucoup pour

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l'initiative.

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>> Thank you so much, guys, for

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the initiative on the part of

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Council and myself, and thank

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the children for this wonderful

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initiative.

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- Bon, l'ordre du jour.

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>> 1.1, adoption of the agenda.

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>> 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre du

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jour.: aucun changement. Do I

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have a mover?

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>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

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>> Merci. Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

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district three.

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>> All in 2.1 Proclamer le mois

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de mai... favour? Quite the

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month of May as Jewish heritage

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month? 2.2 Proclaim May 16,

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2023, as Denim for Breast Cancer

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Day at the City of

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Pointe-Claire.

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>> Do I have a mover? No mover

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or seconder?

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>> Thank you. 3.1 Approuver le

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procès-verbal de la séance

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ordinaire du 14 mars 2023.

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>> I have a mover?

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>> Cynthia Homan, district. Five

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>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen, this

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victory.

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>> All in favour? Okay, question

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period, I believe. 4 Période de

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questions, pour la période de

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questions ce soir, pour la

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période de questions, vous avez

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été accueilli à l'entrée pour

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vous inscrire à la période de

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questions. L'intention de cette

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démarche est d'avoir, d'abord de

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permettre aux personnes de

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demeurer assise jusqu'à l'appel

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de leur nom et d'accorder la

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priorité aux résidents et

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résidentes de Pointe-Claire. De

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deux, nous garderons 90 minutes

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pour la période de questions. De

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deux, une personne à la fois au

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micro. Nous vous remercions

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d'attendre que le citoyen ait

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terminé de poser sa question et

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que vous soyez appelés avant de

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vous lever pour venir poser

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votre question. Les

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non-résidents présents pourront

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poser leurs questions par la

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suite si le temps n'est pas

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>> Écoulé. For question period,

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tonight, during question period,

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he agreed it at the entrance to

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register for question period.

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The goal of this approach is to

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allow people to remain seated

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until their name is called, and

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priority to Pointe-Claire

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residents. We shall stick to the

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90 minute time limit caution

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paid, number one. To, one person

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at a time at the microphone.

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Thank you for waiting for a

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citizen to finish asking their

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question and to be called before

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you get up to ask yours and,

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three, not residents present

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will be able to ask questions

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afterwards if there is still

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time. Thank you. Question

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period. Merci beaucoup, période

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de questions.

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- Alors...

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(inaudible)

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.

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>> Hi, everyone, thank you for

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your time. I want to just

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myself. My name is Sarah -- I am

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a resident of vanguard avenue in

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front of -- I am the first of, I

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believe, several attendees were

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coming to address planned

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renovations for the North land

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Park baseball field the summer.

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We learned of these plans

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recently, and they were already

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quite far along, we understood

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that. I just want to be clear. I

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think I speak for the majority

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of the residents here, we love

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the baseball field. I love the

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thing that the bed at night to

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ensure during December's, it's

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one of my favourite things

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about. We are definitely

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invested in the safety at the

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players, spectators, to be

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honest, a little more heavily

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invested in the homes and cars

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in the area, as well. But we

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feel that this can be achieved

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with at the fence that is

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planned to be directed at the

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outside edge of the field. So,

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recently, we brought this up to

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our council person Mr. Stork. We

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have since learned that there is

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no legal requirement for the

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large fence at the edge, nor is

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there any insurance liability

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linked to this, nor has this

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been specifically requested by

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any association that is using

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the fields for baseball. With

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this new information, we spoke

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to many of the residents in the

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area, and we conducted a

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petition. We have 123 signatures

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right now. We could likely get

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more, we had a limited amount of

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time to do that. I will also be

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submitting a map that we have,

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which is coloured in, showing

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how many other residents

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directly directly surrounding

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the park have signed. Of the 74

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homes directly around the park,

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56 at the home signed, and in

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those cases, many of the homes

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contained multiple signers of

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the petition. That's 76% of the

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local residents that support

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moving forward, if possible,

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without the fence. I would like

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to ask today, if we can count on

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Council support to support the

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residents and to remove the

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fence for the plans of

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renovating the park? I ask Mr.

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Stork if you can speak out and

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tell us your opinion on whether

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this is necessary.

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>> Go ahead, Eric.

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>> Basically, if I think I made

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myself public in my position.

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I've done a lot of homework and

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look at the other parks in the

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area, their locations and usages

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and such. After speaking with

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all of you and I would not use

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the word pushback, because that

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would be in a proper, but the

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concerns about. But it basically

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boils down to, in my opinion, is

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the pros and cons of having a

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fence. What is gained by the

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baseball players in reference to

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the and lost to the citizens of

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the area. I bet myself

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transparent terms of my

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communication. I've reached out

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to Council. I don't want to talk

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on how the procedure will work,

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but basically we'll speak today,

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and at one point next week,

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we'll discuss it in caucus, and

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a decision will be made.

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Personally, for myself, I am of

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the belief that when you weigh

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the pros and cons of having the

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fence or not having the fence,

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we're better off not having the

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fence. That is my position.

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>> Thank you. Thank you for your

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time.

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>> I was just going to say, I

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speak for Council. I am not as

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informed on as Councillor

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Stork's, for sure. We did

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deliberate a long time over this

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at the time. We thought we were

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doing a good thing. We thought

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that people would be happy with

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it. There is not elaborate tempt

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--

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>> We understand.

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>> We're reflecting at the

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moment. We still need to reflect

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on it. Myself, especially,

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because I want to be more

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forward on it. We thought it

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would be a good thing. If it is

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not a good thing, will

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deliberate accordingly.

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>> We're very excited to

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renovate the field, it's a bit

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that the fence is really the

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immediate issue for us.

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>> Can you tell me why, just

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briefly, give me a couple --

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>> I want still they done there

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of other speakers, but it's a

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multi use base that families use

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for so many different reasons.

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Baseball is a very small time

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period of the year, and the rest

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of the ear is used for 1 million

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things. I can say personally,

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that my daughter at some of her

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first steps there. They would

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not be possible with the fans

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there. She flew her first kite.

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There are all sorts of different

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things. We play soccer, have all

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sorts of fun, and we love that

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part because of that reason,

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because it's right in front of

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our homes and we can use it for

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1 million different things, I

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think I can speak for many of

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the residents in the area that

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we all enjoyed that green space,

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and it is unique and its value.

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That's the primary reason for

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asking it not to be closed off

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and fenced for baseball.

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Baseball amazing, bring it on,

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we love it. He was that like to

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be able to access that green

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space.

564
00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:33,060
>> Thank you.

565
00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:38,060
>> Thank you.

566
00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:46,060
>> Good evening, everybody, and

567
00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:47,060
thank you for the opportunity to

568
00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:49,060
speak tonight to the Councillors

569
00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:50,060
and Mister Mayor. The good news

570
00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:53,060
is that advocacy is alive and

571
00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:57,060
well and our woods. It's good to

572
00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:58,060
have everybody out. We've made a

573
00:21:58,060 --> 00:22:00,020
number of times with Mr. Stork.

574
00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:02,020
Some of the things that he's

575
00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:03,020
included in the email to each of

576
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:05,020
you and some of the things that

577
00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:08,020
Sarah just said. I was asked to

578
00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:09,020
contribute a little bit on the

579
00:22:09,020 --> 00:22:11,020
community part or what I

580
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:12,020
referred to the last couple of

581
00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:14,020
days, the social impact of

582
00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:16,020
having the fence there. It

583
00:22:16,020 --> 00:22:18,020
really goes towards and turns

584
00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:20,020
into the presentation that Sarah

585
00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:22,020
started the meeting off with,

586
00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:23,020
the green space and how that

587
00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:26,020
goes along with it. We strongly

588
00:22:26,020 --> 00:22:29,020
feel that the fence, although

589
00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:31,020
from a baseball perspective,

590
00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:35,020
perhaps, having certain points

591
00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:37,020
that are valid and associated

592
00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:39,020
with it, because the park is

593
00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:40,020
used throughout the year,

594
00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:42,020
because the park is used by

595
00:22:42,020 --> 00:22:45,020
multiple groups, certainly as

596
00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:47,020
residents who face the park --

597
00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:49,020
as I am doing the dishes, I am

598
00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:51,020
looking at baseball and on the

599
00:22:51,020 --> 00:22:53,020
other activities, but family,

600
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:54,020
small activities and local

601
00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:56,020
schools, the parks program, the

602
00:22:56,020 --> 00:23:00,080
list can go on, but it's really

603
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,080
the openness that space allows

604
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:08,080
for people to use. Mr. Stork has

605
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,080
mentioned dog walkers and

606
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,080
non-dog walkers. One of our

607
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,080
friends mentioned the fact that

608
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,080
people just come to the park,

609
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,080
and it's a spontaneous picnic or

610
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,080
family outing that is there.

611
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,080
Although the actual physical

612
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,080
green space might not be

613
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,080
impacted, the aspect of having a

614
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,080
fence totally in closing the

615
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,080
area along all the other fences

616
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,080
that are in the park, a large

617
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080
one for the tennis court, the

618
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,080
storage, around the pool,

619
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,080
obviously, we feel that one more

620
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:46,080
offence would just impact that

621
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,080
openness and the family use and

622
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,080
social aspect that comes along

623
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,080
with the park. We're asking you

624
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,080
to reconsider the plans for the

625
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,080
fence.

626
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,080
>> Thank you for that. I just

627
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,040
wanted to make something clear.

628
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,040
It's not totally enclosed. The

629
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,040
fence that exist now on each

630
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,040
side onto first base and third

631
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,040
base are only slightly being

632
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040
extended, then it is open and

633
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,040
just the field fence. It's not

634
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,040
an enclosed area. I just want to

635
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,040
make clear that statement on the

636
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
plants that you know, you can

637
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040
walk right through to the other

638
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,040
side. It's just that the back is

639
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,040
where the fence is. It is not an

640
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,040
enclosed area. Just to clarify

641
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040
before other people get up and

642
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,040
share their thoughts.

643
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,040
>> I am not quite sure to what

644
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,040
you are referring to as the

645
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,040
enclosed area. With the plans

646
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,040
that we saw or were presented to

647
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,040
us --

648
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,040
>> Defence and at the third

649
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,040
base, not the first base, and is

650
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,040
only the outfield fence that

651
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,040
exist. It does not continue all

652
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,040
the way around. I just want to

653
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,040
reassure you that is the actual

654
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,040
plan to exist.

655
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000
>> Yeah, sorry, I think that was

656
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000
explained. The fence that is

657
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,000
there is potentially being part

658
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
of this is the outside fence. It

659
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
is not an enclosed area. You can

660
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
walk around from the side. We

661
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
talked about that. You can walk

662
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000
around the corners. That is what

663
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
I am saying.

664
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,000
>> That is what the Councillor

665
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000
is trying to clarify. It is not

666
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,000
an enclosed area.

667
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000
>> Go ahead, Kelly.

668
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,000
>> There is no mesh.

669
00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:06,060
>> Is there any subsequent?

670
00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:09,060
>> No, no, that was it.

671
00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:13,060
>> Okay, from what I understand,

672
00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:15,060
it goes from first base to third

673
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:18,060
base, and it's that enclosure

674
00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:19,060
from first base to third base

675
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:21,060
that is the problem, even though

676
00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:24,060
there is space at the sites.

677
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:35,060
We will see Kelly's drawing

678
00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:39,060
skills.

679
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:42,060
>> He is third base. Here is

680
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:45,060
first. It's slightly being

681
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:49,060
extended for safety reasons. The

682
00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:54,060
netting is higher by 20 feet

683
00:26:55,060 --> 00:27:00,020
. This is all open space, open

684
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:06,020
space.

685
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:11,020
>> That's actually defence that

686
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:12,020
were --

687
00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:15,020
[Inaudible]

688
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:29,020
More than this -- I think that

689
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:32,020
is the question, that there is

690
00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:35,020
full access.

691
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:39,020
>> Thanks, Kelly.

692
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:41,020
>> All that to say, I think we

693
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:43,020
understood that, regardless of

694
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:45,020
the openness on the two sides.

695
00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:47,020
From the people that lived there

696
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:52,020
that use that park, it will

697
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:57,020
impact how people use that park.

698
00:27:57,020 --> 00:28:00,080
There is a freedom associated

699
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,080
with, whether it's a person

700
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,080
flying a kite, using that space

701
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080
that continues out -- thank you.

702
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,080
>> Thank you.

703
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,080
>> Don Gill?

704
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080
>> Good evening, thank you for

705
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,080
letting me at the opportunity to

706
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,080
speak. I will just comment,

707
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,080
thank you for opening the doors,

708
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,080
so to speak. So you need to

709
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,080
imagine a large tennis courts

710
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,080
with chain link fence on the

711
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,080
other side of their base, also

712
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,080
the pool has eight foot chain

713
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,080
link fence with barbed wire

714
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,080
around the permit are, and there

715
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,080
is a child. A couple of trees,

716
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,080
and then the whole permit are,

717
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,080
essentially, yes, you can get

718
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,080
out, but it starts to look like

719
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,040
trying to keep people out or

720
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,040
trying to keep people in. It's

721
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040
not an open space concept that

722
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,040
is correct and there since the

723
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,040
late 50s. We want to maintain

724
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,040
the current appeal of the park

725
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,040
for the neighbours but my

726
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,040
question or comment that I would

727
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,040
like to raise the idea of saving

728
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,040
city money by not building this

729
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,040
perimeter fence. While

730
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,040
intentionally, -- initially well

731
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,040
intentioned, and now establishes

732
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,040
that the perimeter fence is not

733
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,040
required. That tens of thousands

734
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,040
of dollars of this construction

735
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,040
cost and feature maintenance

736
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,040
cost could be redirected from

737
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,040
the project plan to other

738
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,040
activities within Pointe-Claire,

739
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,040
that, of course, we're

740
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,040
struggling to find funds for and

741
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,000
unnecessarily exploits. We just

742
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000
ask City Council to reconsider

743
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,000
that choice of the project plan

744
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000
and redirect those funds to

745
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000
other activities all over

746
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Pointe-Claire.

747
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
>> From my understanding, we're

748
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,000
already committed to that

749
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000
expenditure, it is how we

750
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
expended, my correct on the?

751
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,000
>> So the tender is out.

752
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000
>> The tender is out.

753
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,000
>> But if the plant has changed,

754
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000
then the tender value can be

755
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,000
reduced.

756
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000
>> Or we can compensate in some

757
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000
other way, if we're committed to

758
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000
the expenditure.

759
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
>> 60 paths, yeah, absolutely.

760
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Thank you very much for your

761
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000
time.

762
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000
>> The contract is already done

763
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000
in March.

764
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,000
>> Is?

765
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
>> Is already gave in March.

766
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,000
>> It is already done. It has

767
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,000
already been given.

768
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,000
>> It has been awarded and

769
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000
March.

770
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,000
>> Pardon me --

771
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:07,060
>> I think it's the community's

772
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:09,060
understanding that there is an

773
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:12,060
open culture for the change?

774
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:17,060
>> I am not sure

775
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:21,060
-- either the polls on the

776
00:31:21,060 --> 00:31:22,060
contract?

777
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:23,060
>> I cannot answer your question

778
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:24,060
right now. I don't have the

779
00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:26,060
answer. We probably need to

780
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:29,060
negotiate with the contractor.

781
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:31,060
It's been given in March, so I

782
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:34,060
think it's a month or so.

783
00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:37,060
>> But, of course, the idea if

784
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:38,060
you come and look at the

785
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:40,060
neighbourhood, adding a more

786
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:42,060
chain link fence around the

787
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:43,060
small park is not well favoured

788
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:47,060
by the community, particularly

789
00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:48,060
in this case, where we are

790
00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:50,060
looking at the park full-time,

791
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:51,060
so thank you very much for your

792
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:52,060
time.

793
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:55,060
>> Okay, thank you.

794
00:31:55,060 --> 00:32:00,020
>> Dave Webb.

795
00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:08,020
>> Good evening, everybody.

796
00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:10,020
Thank you for allowing me to

797
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:15,020
speak this evening and

798
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:20,020
councillors madame Thibault,

799
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:23,020
madame Gutierrez. My name is

800
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:25,020
Dave Webb, I am a former

801
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:27,020
councillor on the city of

802
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:29,020
Pointe-Claire and the previous

803
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:30,020
administration. Over the last

804
00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:32,020
couple of months, I've heard

805
00:32:32,020 --> 00:32:34,020
some very disturbing things

806
00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:35,020
happening at the meetings,

807
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:39,020
especially people making

808
00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:43,020
comments towards elected

809
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:45,020
members, vacant comments that

810
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:48,020
they may be in cahoots with the

811
00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:50,020
developers, that they're not

812
00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:54,020
taking the citizens wishes and

813
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:59,020
the manse under consideration

814
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
and may be reaching their

815
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,080
integrity as councillors. Let me

816
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,080
tell you that I spent four years

817
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,080
on Council with six of these

818
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,080
councillors. These people

819
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,080
exhibit great integrity. They

820
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,080
are dedicated to the city that

821
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,080
they are representing, and the

822
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,080
six councillors also represent

823
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080
the community where they live

824
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,080
and work that represent. They

825
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,080
represent the people that were

826
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,080
duly elected, and in a

827
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,080
democracy, duly elected people

828
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080
make decisions based on not only

829
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080
the people in their own

830
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,080
districts but on the things that

831
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,080
are best for the city as a

832
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,080
whole. I commend you all,

833
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,080
including the mayor himself and

834
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080
Mr. Tremblay who beat me out

835
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,080
Square and the last election. I

836
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,080
commend you all for giving us

837
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,080
your time and efforts to

838
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,080
represent the city. I was also

839
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,080
disturbed last meeting and

840
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,040
between last meeting and this

841
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,040
meeting when I heard of an

842
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,040
incident where the Mayor for

843
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,040
issues coming up about the

844
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,040
placement and the voting taking

845
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,040
place at City Hall, which was a

846
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,040
decision that is made by Madam

847
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,040
Thibault, Caroline Thibault, on

848
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,040
the half of the city, as she is

849
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,040
the chief electoral officer for

850
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,040
the district. There were

851
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:30,040
comments made by the mayor, --

852
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,040
Madam Thibault's office and the

853
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,040
city manager's office, Madame

854
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,040
Verdun. It's something becoming,

855
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,040
and I am really appalled that

856
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,040
anything that Mr. Thomas said

857
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,040
it's not something to him or

858
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,040
should say. You have an

859
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040
extremely dedicated staff at the

860
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,000
City who work day in and day out

861
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000
with integrity. They serve the

862
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000
people of our community. They

863
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,000
make sure that all of our

864
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000
service are run properly,

865
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000
everything is run correctly, and

866
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
you seem to be willing to, first

867
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
of all, not work with them and,

868
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
also, hang them out to dry at

869
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,000
certain times. At the same time,

870
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
you're very disrespectful to the

871
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Councillors. So before I ask you

872
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000
my first question, Mister Mayor.

873
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,000
I want to bring up something

874
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,000
here, if you would permit me. I

875
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,000
can never find it when I am

876
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,000
looking for it.

877
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Bear with me a second, here we

878
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,000
go. So, in the city of

879
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,060
Pointe-Claire, we have something

880
00:36:00,060 --> 00:36:03,060
that is called the Public

881
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:04,060
council bylaws. I will just read

882
00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:09,060
a couple of sections. Section

883
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:12,060
59, question period, questions

884
00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:16,060
may only contain the words

885
00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:18,060
necessary to obtain the

886
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:19,060
information requested. A

887
00:36:19,060 --> 00:36:21,060
question is out of order, when,

888
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:22,060
and there are five different

889
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:23,060
things when a question is out of

890
00:36:23,060 --> 00:36:26,060
order. I will only read four and

891
00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:29,060
five. A question is out of order

892
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:31,060
when it contains seditious or

893
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:32,060
abusive comments, and a question

894
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:34,060
is also out of order when it

895
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:36,060
contains personal attacks,

896
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:38,060
anyone knows, obscenity's or

897
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:40,060
swearing. It goes on further to

898
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:44,060
say, no person may, no person

899
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:46,060
may use a disrespectful,

900
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:48,060
offending or violent language

901
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:50,060
against Council or against

902
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:52,060
anyone, referred to the

903
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:55,060
chairman, you, Mister Mayor,

904
00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:57,060
otherwise in a disrespectful

905
00:36:57,060 --> 00:36:59,060
way, interrupt or hinder that

906
00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:01,020
meeting with applause, noise,

907
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:04,020
uproar or otherwise. These are

908
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:07,020
called, as pointed out earlier,

909
00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:12,020
okay, just a second here. These

910
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:13,020
are all things that can be

911
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:15,020
considered out of order. It's

912
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:17,020
here that the chairperson or the

913
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:20,020
chair of the meeting, which is

914
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:22,020
the merit to open the meeting,

915
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:25,020
the chairman may limit or roll

916
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:27,020
order of any person in order of

917
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:29,020
this bylaw or who exceeds the

918
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:31,020
time allowed of the question

919
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:34,020
period or the rate of any person

920
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:36,020
present who asked questions, if

921
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:38,020
order or decorum cannot be

922
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:40,020
maintained, the chairman may

923
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:42,020
adjourned the council meeting.

924
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:43,020
So my first question to you,

925
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:45,020
Mister Mayor, and I am glad that

926
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:48,020
I got appear before all the

927
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:51,020
people that came up -- the usual

928
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:52,020
list of suspects that come up

929
00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:53,020
and complain about all the bad

930
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:55,020
things that are going in the

931
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:57,020
city without actually offering

932
00:37:57,020 --> 00:37:59,020
any suggestions on how to make

933
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:02,080
things better, just come up here

934
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,080
and complain and complain --

935
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,080
when you've got something that

936
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,080
you want to say to the

937
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Councillors, and we are not in

938
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,080
accordance with the thinking,

939
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,080
please bring us a solution,

940
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,080
don't just come up here --

941
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,080
anyways, I digress. So my first

942
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,080
question, Mister Mayor, will you

943
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,080
enforce the bylaw for this

944
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,080
council meeting?

945
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,080
>> We'll enforce that when you

946
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,080
just read?

947
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,080
>> Yeah. You have read it.

948
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,080
>> I have, sure. Here is the

949
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,080
thing.

950
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,080
>> Go on.

951
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,080
>> Are you going to repeat

952
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,080
everything I say? You were

953
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080
talking about decorum, sir.

954
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,080
>> Go ahead.

955
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,080
>> Thank you for allowing me to

956
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,080
speak, I appreciate it. I am

957
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,080
first and foremost a Democrat. I

958
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,080
really, really strongly believe

959
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,080
in the citizen's right to

960
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,080
express themselves. I have said

961
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,080
through many political processes

962
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,040
in my life where I have seen

963
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,040
that not occur to the extent it

964
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,040
should. I have brought, I think,

965
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,040
a different style to how I

966
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,040
handle meetings. I was a

967
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,040
university professor for 14

968
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,040
years, I taught three hour

969
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,040
seminars, I let people talk as

970
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,040
long as they wanted. I felt it

971
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,040
was important to let everybody

972
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,040
express themselves and never cut

973
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,040
people short. I have no problems

974
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,040
with that, I've done it my whole

975
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,040
life. I went to university with

976
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,040
sovereigntists, got along, we

977
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,040
all exchanged ideas, we talk to

978
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,040
our ears out. I think in

979
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,040
question period, some of the

980
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,040
rules limiting cajoling,

981
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,040
constraining don't necessarily

982
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,040
benefit the democracy of

983
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,040
Pointe-Claire. I understand the

984
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,040
bylaws and I use them with as

985
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,040
much leeway as I can. I feel

986
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,040
I've allowed my critics as much

987
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,040
or more time than my supporters

988
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,040
in this chamber. I think that

989
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,040
will make everybody at home

990
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,040
happier at the end of the night

991
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,040
than to shut people down. That

992
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,000
is my paramount rule on this

993
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000
process. I apply the same thing

994
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,000
to myself. I would also like to

995
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
be able to express my political

996
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,000
convictions. As a citizen of

997
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,000
district one, as the current

998
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
councillor representative of

999
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
district one, and as the mayor

1000
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,000
of district one, I feel I have

1001
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,000
to voice the needs of my

1002
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000
constituents and my citizens. I

1003
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
believe I should defend their

1004
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,000
democratic rights. My feeling on

1005
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000
the locations of elections, the

1006
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000
ability of people to get out and

1007
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000
vote, really matters. We have

1008
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
low voter turnout. We have

1009
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000
extremely low voter turnout at

1010
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
the municipal level. Maybe it

1011
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
has something to do with the

1012
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
rules. Maybe it's got something

1013
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
to do with the way we proceed

1014
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,060
and do things. Maybe we can make

1015
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:05,060
it a more open, fluid,

1016
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:06,060
welcoming, democratic process. I

1017
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:11,060
don't know. My feeling is that

1018
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:15,060
it is really paramount to allow

1019
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:17,060
people to vote where they live.

1020
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:21,060
We tend to have elections --

1021
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:23,060
excuse me -- in the districts.

1022
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:25,060
We have the writing where people

1023
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:27,060
go and vote, the polling

1024
00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:29,060
stations. We do that for a

1025
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:31,060
reason. They feel comfortable,

1026
00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:35,060
they can walk there. It'll

1027
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:37,060
encourage them. It becomes more

1028
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:39,060
men fuzzy, they are familiar

1029
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:41,060
with, it so people get used to

1030
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:45,060
that. You have it in the

1031
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:47,060
district so they can walk. I

1032
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:50,060
feel that bringing it to the

1033
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:52,060
City Hall is north of the

1034
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:54,060
district and they have to cross,

1035
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:56,060
either cross it by car or ago

1036
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:58,060
under underpasses on the 20. It

1037
00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:02,020
mitigates against the full

1038
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:04,020
participation of voters. There

1039
00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:05,020
is an elevator, there is a

1040
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:07,020
second floor. It's a fairly

1041
00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:09,020
imposing building, it's not a

1042
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:11,020
familiar place for the people of

1043
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:13,020
district one. As a Democrat, I

1044
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:16,020
think it's really important that

1045
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:18,020
we keep polling stations in

1046
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:19,020
their districts. I will say

1047
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:20,020
that, I reserve my right to say

1048
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:24,020
that, I don't think, in my

1049
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:25,020
position, I should be denied the

1050
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:26,020
right to express that, as I feel

1051
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:31,020
I have been recently. I did not

1052
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:33,020
mean to personalize this in any

1053
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:35,020
way to the chief Attorney

1054
00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:37,020
officer. I did not mean to make

1055
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:39,020
this her fault at all. I will

1056
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:42,020
make this objection anywhere,

1057
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:43,020
anytime, any community, any

1058
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:45,020
constituency, I will make this

1059
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:46,020
objection, I made it three years

1060
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:48,020
ago, I will make it now, and I

1061
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:49,020
will make it ten years from now.

1062
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:50,020
I don't apologize for saying

1063
00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:53,020
this. I apologize if people felt

1064
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:54,020
they were thrown under the bus.

1065
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:55,020
I was not throwing the person

1066
00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:58,020
under the bus. The chief

1067
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:59,020
attorney officer can do whatever

1068
00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:00,080
they want and they have the

1069
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,080
right to do so. Okay? However,

1070
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,080
that is not their fault. This is

1071
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,080
not the only place this has

1072
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,080
occurred. It's happened a lot of

1073
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,080
other places. It's a normal

1074
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,080
procedure people are comfortable

1075
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,080
with and gets used in different

1076
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,080
municipalities. I don't like it.

1077
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,080
I want to express I don't like.

1078
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,080
It I don't want to personalize

1079
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,080
it. I didn't mean to personalize

1080
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,080
it. But I really need to say it

1081
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,080
and I reserve my right to

1082
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,080
express my political opinion. I

1083
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,080
would like to make voting and

1084
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,080
easy procedure as much as

1085
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,080
possible at the municipal level.

1086
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,080
As the representative of that

1087
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,080
district, I felt that this may

1088
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,080
not be the best way to do so.

1089
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,080
That was my reaction. As for not

1090
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,080
working with my staff, I've

1091
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,080
worked very well with my staff.

1092
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,080
This is probably my major gaffe,

1093
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,080
if it is a gap. Am not convinced

1094
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,080
it's a gaffe, but it might be. I

1095
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,080
don't think I have been

1096
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,040
disrespectful to my fellow

1097
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,040
councillors. I've tried not to

1098
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,040
be in my exchanges with them.

1099
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,040
You have seen the way meetings

1100
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,040
get conducted here. I do my best

1101
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,040
not to behave with any

1102
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,040
disrespect. I do agree with your

1103
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,040
comment that you can't say

1104
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040
something you can't prove. I

1105
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,040
think that is a real problem. I

1106
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,040
agree with you on that one. I've

1107
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,040
been getting on that one. I

1108
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,040
think you are right on that one.

1109
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,040
You can't insinuate, or imply,

1110
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,040
or attribute something to

1111
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,040
someone if you cannot prove. It

1112
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,040
I'm with you 100 percent on that

1113
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,040
one. Hopefully that answer helps

1114
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,040
a little.

1115
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,040
>> That was a very eloquent and

1116
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,040
interesting non answer but I

1117
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,040
will take it.

1118
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,040
>> I don't know if it was a non

1119
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,040
answer.

1120
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,040
>> I haven't asked my second

1121
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,040
question yet.

1122
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,040
>> My second question is, let me

1123
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,040
just reference that I give all

1124
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,040
of your detractors equal time

1125
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,040
and don't interrupt them. At the

1126
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,040
last council meeting, Mrs. Susan

1127
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,000
Weaver asked you a question

1128
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,000
about comments you made on J 80

1129
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
about, first of all, Cadillac

1130
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,000
Fairview, the Greenwich project,

1131
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
the high vacancy rates in

1132
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Greenwich. You made the comment

1133
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,000
on these same interview, by the

1134
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000
way, with a lion stomach owes

1135
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,000
who I find is hilarious now.

1136
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000
He's finally trying -- he can

1137
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000
see right through you. Anyways,

1138
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000
you made comments that Fairview

1139
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,000
shopping centre was not only

1140
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,000
going to be building on the

1141
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,000
corner lot or whatever, they

1142
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000
actually had plans to build on

1143
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000
the entire parking lot, which is

1144
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,000
completely false. You also maybe

1145
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,000
false comments that the reason

1146
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000
you didn't want them to build

1147
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
this entire project on Fairview

1148
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
was because there's already a

1149
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
lack of parking there. You

1150
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
mentioned that at anytime they

1151
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000
dropped by the parking lot it is

1152
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000
always full. Which is not true.

1153
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
If you left the village once in

1154
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000
a while, you would probably see

1155
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
that over there. Then you went

1156
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,060
on to make comments to the

1157
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:02,060
effect that the Greenwich

1158
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:04,060
project, the Sotramont project

1159
00:46:04,060 --> 00:46:06,060
had a very high vacancy rate.

1160
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:07,060
Mentioning, I don't know if you

1161
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:08,060
mentioned the condos or

1162
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:10,060
whatever. All the condos that

1163
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:12,060
are currently listed on centrist

1164
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:14,060
right now that are for sale in

1165
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:16,060
Greenwich Village are being sold

1166
00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:17,060
by owners, not the actual

1167
00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:21,060
project. I stopped by the

1168
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:23,060
apartments a couple days after

1169
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:24,060
you made the comment. I went in

1170
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:26,060
and met the sales agent. I was

1171
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:28,060
sitting at their desk. I asked

1172
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:30,060
her about the new building which

1173
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:31,060
is going up, be third building,

1174
00:46:31,060 --> 00:46:35,060
which is only going to have --

1175
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:37,060
they are moving in July of 2024.

1176
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:39,060
They are only going to start the

1177
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:41,060
leases or whatever about six

1178
00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:42,060
months before and they are

1179
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:43,060
starting to take the waiting

1180
00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:46,060
list. I asked her in the two

1181
00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:47,060
buildings existing what you told

1182
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:52,060
me was 175 units per building.

1183
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:55,060
Two buildings, 352 units,

1184
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:58,060
actually. The vacancy was four

1185
00:46:58,060 --> 00:46:59,060
apartments, which is a vacancy

1186
00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:02,020
of one point 14. I don't find

1187
00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:03,020
that to be a high vacancy rate.

1188
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:05,020
I will just further to the

1189
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:07,020
question of Mrs. weaver asking

1190
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:08,020
you, where do you get your facts

1191
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:12,020
when you make all these absurd

1192
00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:15,020
claims on radio stations?

1193
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:17,020
>> Which ones are absurd?

1194
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:19,020
>> That the high vacancy rate in

1195
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:24,020
the Greenwich project -- that

1196
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:26,020
Cadillac Fairview is planning on

1197
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:27,020
developing the entire parking

1198
00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:30,020
lot. They wanted it to be the

1199
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:31,020
downtown of the city. It's not

1200
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:35,020
the entire parking lot. You just

1201
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:36,020
come up with these things off

1202
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:38,020
the top of your head --

1203
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:39,020
>> And do we know what Cadillac

1204
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:41,020
Fairview -- what Cadillac

1205
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:42,020
Fairview is building on that lot

1206
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:43,020
yet?

1207
00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:44,020
>> You don't know.

1208
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:46,020
>> How can you say what it is?

1209
00:47:46,020 --> 00:47:49,020
There is a plan to redevelop

1210
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:52,020
that -- excuse me, Mr. Webb.

1211
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:53,020
>> You are interrupting me.

1212
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:55,020
>> Have you asked your question?

1213
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:56,020
You just asked your second

1214
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:57,020
question.

1215
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:58,020
>> Also in the bylaws it says

1216
00:47:58,020 --> 00:48:00,080
this will not -- give me your

1217
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,080
answer.

1218
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,080
>> Thank, you I am trying to.

1219
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,080
>> Go ahead.

1220
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,080
>> Thank you for allowing me to

1221
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,080
speak, Mr. Webb. As far as

1222
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,080
what's happening on Mu1, my

1223
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,080
understanding is there is a

1224
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,080
development going into Mu1. I

1225
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,080
suspect that it will be, it will

1226
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,080
entail the entire lot.

1227
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,080
Accordingly, if there is a

1228
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,080
building project going in there,

1229
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,080
which we don't know what it is,

1230
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,080
it's going to take the entire

1231
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,080
lot. I think that's a fair

1232
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,080
statement.

1233
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,080
>> What do you mean by the

1234
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,080
entire lot?

1235
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,080
>> They will develop the entire

1236
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,080
Mu1 lot.

1237
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,080
>> They are only -- it has been

1238
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,080
proposed. It is for the top

1239
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,080
northwest corner near the rim,

1240
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,080
on their own property. It's not

1241
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,080
the entire lot.

1242
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,080
>> Mr. Webb, this is my answer

1243
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,080
now. And that remains to be

1244
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:56,080
seen. I suspect, I will bet you

1245
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,080
right now, gentleman's bet, it

1246
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,040
will entail the entire lot.

1247
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,040
Between you and me, we will see

1248
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,040
that in four, five years time.

1249
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,040
As for what I said on the show,

1250
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,040
everything factually correct.

1251
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:14,040
What Mrs. weaver was implying

1252
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,040
was she misquoted me on that.

1253
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,040
However, there was one section

1254
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,040
where I meant to say something

1255
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,040
other than what I said. The

1256
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,040
entire interview was fine. I

1257
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,040
encourage anybody to listen to

1258
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,040
it. What I meant to say was, it

1259
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,040
is the highest percentage of

1260
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,040
resale in Pointe-Claire, it is

1261
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,040
the Greenwich project. Which

1262
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,040
means it is at the highest level

1263
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,040
of dissatisfaction of occupants

1264
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,040
there. It has the highest

1265
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,040
percentage every so.

1266
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,040
Unfortunately, it came out as

1267
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,040
occupancy. You are right on that

1268
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,040
one. The actual stronger point

1269
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,040
is that there is a higher level

1270
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,040
of resale in the Greenwich

1271
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,040
project. There is more

1272
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,040
dissatisfaction, a higher

1273
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,040
turnover of people living there

1274
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,040
than anywhere else in

1275
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,040
Pointe-Claire, which is a better

1276
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,040
argument than the one I meant to

1277
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,000
make when I was saying it. Thank

1278
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,000
you very much. That's my answer

1279
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000
to that, Mr. Webb.

1280
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,000
>> Thank you very much, sir.

1281
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,000
>> Thank you.

1282
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,000
>>

1283
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000
- Prochaine personne...

1284
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,000
--

1285
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
>> Good evening, Mister Mayor,

1286
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,000
City Council. Everybody around

1287
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,000
--

1288
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,000
>> Closer to the mic, please,

1289
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,000
sir.

1290
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,000
>> Everybody runs and before the

1291
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,000
eviction on transparency and

1292
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,000
integrity and working with the

1293
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,000
citizen residents of

1294
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000
Pointe-Claire. As you see,

1295
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,000
already from the previous

1296
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,000
administration coming that

1297
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,000
people but is the saying the

1298
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,000
right thing as since last spring

1299
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:56,000
when they did the meeting about

1300
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,060
the recent Cadillac Fairview

1301
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:03,060
from the freeze -- the majority

1302
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:05,060
of people was against the

1303
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:07,060
project. If you are talking

1304
00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:08,060
about democratic, that was the

1305
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:12,060
democratic last spring. The

1306
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:14,060
majority, again, is Cadillac

1307
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:15,060
Fairview because they went to

1308
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:19,060
reserve the forest and again

1309
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:23,060
it's 25 high rise buildings.

1310
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:24,060
That is the answer to the

1311
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:25,060
gentleman to what he said, we

1312
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:28,060
can't attack or insult the City

1313
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:32,060
Council. As I said, it is still

1314
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:34,060
running the same policy of what

1315
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:38,060
is -- was running when he went

1316
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:41,060
to Pointe-Claire as a downtown.

1317
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:44,060
We are against that. We are not

1318
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:46,060
against the developer. We need

1319
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:48,060
housing for the young

1320
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:50,060
generation, future generations,

1321
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:51,060
that's your kids, your

1322
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:52,060
grandkids, you see the lady here

1323
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:56,060
from the Pointe-Claire premier

1324
00:51:56,060 --> 00:52:00,020
school what she said. So please,

1325
00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:02,020
Mister Mayor, when somebody asks

1326
00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:03,020
you a question, you answered

1327
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:08,020
with respect and behave. You

1328
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:10,020
never left the room. When I ask

1329
00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:14,020
my question last month, the

1330
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:15,020
three leading Cadillac Fairview

1331
00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:19,020
resolution left the room.

1332
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:20,020
>> You can't say they're leading

1333
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:21,020
the Cadillac Fairview

1334
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:22,020
resolution.

1335
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:24,020
>> They do the resolution. They

1336
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:28,020
came with a resolution.

1337
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:30,020
>> Make a comment, please?

1338
00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:31,020
>> Yes.

1339
00:52:31,020 --> 00:52:32,020
>> I love the room not because

1340
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:34,020
you asked a question. I left the

1341
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:36,020
room because you basically

1342
00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:39,020
accused most of us here of being

1343
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:40,020
-- of Cadillac Fairview. That's

1344
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:44,020
why I left the room.

1345
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:46,020
>> Thank, you Mister Mayor.

1346
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:49,020
>> I asked if you have any --

1347
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:53,020
>> You didn't ask.

1348
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:55,020
>> I heard you too many times.

1349
00:52:55,020 --> 00:52:56,020
Can I continue?

1350
00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:57,020
>> Yes, if you are getting to a

1351
00:52:57,020 --> 00:53:00,080
question.

1352
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,080
>> Please, that's what I said.

1353
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,080
If you have any connection or

1354
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,080
anything, just as a

1355
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,080
professional, excuse yourself

1356
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,080
from the negotiation. When you

1357
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,080
are dealing with Cadillac

1358
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,080
Fairview or you are working for

1359
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,080
Cadillac Fairview --

1360
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,080
>> Is there a question?

1361
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,080
>> That's what I'm saying.

1362
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,080
>> What is the question?

1363
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,080
>> The question is supposed to

1364
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,080
be people dealing with

1365
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,080
developers or Cadillac Fairview,

1366
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,080
they are supposed to excuse

1367
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,080
themselves from the negotiation.

1368
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,080
And that is a conflict of

1369
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,080
interest.

1370
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,080
>> That's a statement you are

1371
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,080
making. I'm wondering what your

1372
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,080
question is.

1373
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,080
>> Is that possible for the

1374
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,080
coming --

1375
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,080
>> For councillors to excuse

1376
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,080
themselves?

1377
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,080
>> Who is dealing or working

1378
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,080
with Cadillac Fairview.

1379
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,080
>> Only if it is proven that

1380
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,080
there is. I'm not even sure what

1381
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,080
the law is on that anyhow. You

1382
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,040
can't ask people to excuse

1383
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,040
themselves for something they

1384
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,040
have not been proven to have

1385
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,040
done.

1386
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,040
>> I'm just asking. They are all

1387
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,040
running on prosperity.

1388
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,040
>> What I just said is you can't

1389
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,040
ask them to excuse themselves

1390
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,040
for something they have not done

1391
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,040
or have not been proven to have

1392
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,040
done.

1393
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,040
>> The majority, when they did

1394
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,040
already last spring, the

1395
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,040
majority is against and they

1396
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,040
want to keep Cadillac Fairview

1397
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,040
forest and people since more

1398
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,040
than two years the demonstration

1399
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,040
every Saturday to keep the

1400
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,040
forest.

1401
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,040
>> I understand. The problem I

1402
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,040
have as we are working on an

1403
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,040
urban plan. We are re-making the

1404
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,040
city's urban plan and we don't

1405
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,040
know how people are going to

1406
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,040
decide or what any of the

1407
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,040
Council or myself -- we are not

1408
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,040
there yet. We can't be

1409
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,040
criticized, they, we, whoever it

1410
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,040
cannot be criticized until we've

1411
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,040
done something that confirms

1412
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,040
what you are saying, that

1413
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,040
confirms the criticism. We don't

1414
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,040
know what the result will be at

1415
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,000
the end of this urban plan. It

1416
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,000
may be very much to your liking.

1417
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,000
It is possible, is it not? It

1418
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,000
could be a favourable result. We

1419
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,000
don't know. We can't assume

1420
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,000
people are going to behave in a

1421
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,000
certain way when they have not

1422
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,000
gotten there yet. That is where

1423
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,000
I am coming from. Do you know

1424
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,000
what I'm saying?

1425
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,000
>> I understand. But the public,

1426
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,000
publicly, you involve the public

1427
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
and already they do the same

1428
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,000
thing on consulting the public

1429
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,000
from consultation last spring,

1430
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,000
more than 100 people came and

1431
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,000
they didn't stop the project.

1432
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000
>> Sorry, which --

1433
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,000
>> About Cadillac Fairview?

1434
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,000
>> I don't remember a

1435
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,000
consultation.

1436
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,000
>> It wasn't exultation, we had

1437
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,000
a meeting to answer questions.

1438
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,000
>> It was a town hall.

1439
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000
>> You are talking about the

1440
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,000
town halls?

1441
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,000
>> That wasn't a public

1442
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,000
consultation, sir.

1443
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,000
>> I was there. The majority was

1444
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,060
against all that. I'm saying, as

1445
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:04,060
a democratic way, that is my

1446
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:05,060
first question. The second

1447
00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:08,060
question --

1448
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:09,060
>> That wasn't a question, I

1449
00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:10,060
agree. What's your next

1450
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:14,060
question?

1451
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:19,060
>> When I mentioned about May

1452
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:23,060
hood, what is she going to do?

1453
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:25,060
What did you do already buy the

1454
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:26,060
traffic in the neighbourhood,

1455
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:27,060
especially when they have a

1456
00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:32,060
project that's going to be them

1457
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:37,060
as the dealer.

1458
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:40,060
>> I have I -- I have no idea

1459
00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:42,060
what your question is right now.

1460
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:45,060
>> We tell you about the

1461
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:48,060
traffic, the primary school

1462
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:52,060
there. People they avoid someone

1463
00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:58,060
and they passed by -- to avoid

1464
00:56:58,060 --> 00:57:02,020
the stop sign. We told you about

1465
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:04,020
it when there was a meeting and

1466
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:06,020
the review. What did you do or

1467
00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:07,020
what you're going to do to try

1468
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:12,020
to help slow down the traffic?

1469
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:14,020
Instead of going to Saint John

1470
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:17,020
they go to Maywood?

1471
00:57:17,020 --> 00:57:18,020
>> I think I've made myself

1472
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:21,020
clear, I mention it today on

1473
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:22,020
replying to a post. First we

1474
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:24,020
have to see what project goes

1475
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:25,020
there. I can tell you right now,

1476
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:27,020
for the residents on May would,

1477
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:29,020
everything has to be looked at.

1478
00:57:29,020 --> 00:57:30,020
One thing I'm an advocate of,

1479
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:32,020
regardless of what goes there,

1480
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:33,020
what was announced today as we

1481
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:34,020
are all aware it's going to be

1482
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:38,020
long term health care -- one

1483
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:39,020
thing I'm a proponent of, we

1484
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:40,020
cannot stop them from doing

1485
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:42,020
that, we are going to have to

1486
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:44,020
deal with the situation that

1487
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:45,020
exists and we will have to

1488
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:47,020
mitigate the traffic. I can tell

1489
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:48,020
you right now, I will stand

1490
00:57:48,020 --> 00:57:50,020
firmly on, there has to be a

1491
00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:52,020
traffic light at Shaw sir. Every

1492
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:54,020
outlets in it has to be looked

1493
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:56,020
at to reduce Maywood, I've

1494
00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:57,020
spoken to some citizens. I

1495
00:57:57,020 --> 00:57:59,020
recognize here we talked about

1496
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:00,080
leaving Maywood should be one

1497
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,080
way, all this will come into

1498
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,080
time when something is proposed

1499
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,080
and will be addressed the

1500
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,080
concerns together. I said from

1501
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,080
day one, I repeat myself. That's

1502
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,080
exactly my position where it

1503
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,080
stands.

1504
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,080
>> Right now, did you do

1505
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,080
anything to try? 30 and 40, 30

1506
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,080
and 40 K an hour. If you make it

1507
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
all 30, you can slow down people

1508
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,080
because --

1509
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,080
>> This is question number

1510
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,080
three. I will allow Councillor

1511
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,080
Stork if you wants to answer.

1512
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,080
>> I'm fine.

1513
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,080
>> I will add that Councillor

1514
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,080
Stork has brought every traffic

1515
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,080
issue concern on May would to

1516
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,080
the traffic committee because I

1517
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,080
used to sit on it. It was

1518
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,080
discussed for all different

1519
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,080
kinds of discussions and

1520
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,080
whenever that is brought to the

1521
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,080
traffic study, the traffic couch

1522
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,080
doing a full study of direction

1523
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,080
by direction Avenue speed and

1524
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,080
anytime somebody brings it back

1525
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,080
to him, he brings it back to the

1526
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,080
traffic committee at this point

1527
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,080
to make that clear.

1528
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,040
>> I am on traffic committee.

1529
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,040
This will go to traffic

1530
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,040
committee. That site we'll have

1531
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,040
a different usage and then the

1532
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,040
next year or so. It will have to

1533
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,040
be studied. I said on traffic

1534
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,040
committee. I'm very impressed

1535
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,040
with it. It takes every single

1536
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,040
concern into consideration. It

1537
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:23,040
is done really thoroughly. I

1538
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,040
quite enjoyed, it's one of my

1539
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,040
favourite committees because I

1540
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,040
learn so much about the City.

1541
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,040
Virtually every department,

1542
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,040
public, works everybody is in

1543
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,040
their, public security, all of

1544
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,040
them are in on that committee.

1545
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,040
Everybody, the engineers,

1546
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,040
everybody about crosswalks,

1547
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,040
everything that goes on traffic

1548
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:40,040
is thoroughly analyzed. For sure

1549
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,040
it will be looked at, that is

1550
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Maywood an interesting streak,

1551
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,040
it's a very small street.

1552
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,040
There's a development going in

1553
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,040
there, public health development

1554
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,040
or whatever that might be. I am

1555
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,040
not sure what it will be. I'm

1556
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,040
not sure if we are allowed to

1557
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,040
reveal or say what it may or may

1558
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,000
not be. It will get studied.

1559
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000
Sitting on the committee, I am

1560
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,000
confident in it. You can express

1561
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,000
your concerns. You can let us

1562
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,000
know, you can write to us. I

1563
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,000
think you are referring to

1564
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,000
earlier in your comment that

1565
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,000
people were deterring St. John's

1566
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,000
to take May would, which I don't

1567
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,000
understand because doesn't have

1568
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,000
stop signs and it's a narrow

1569
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,000
street wooden? Maybe better off

1570
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,000
on St. John's? You figure

1571
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,000
because it's jammed up, you feel

1572
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,000
St. John's is jammed up.

1573
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,000
>> I've driven it for 30 years.

1574
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,000
It gets worse and worse when St.

1575
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,000
John's is full of traffic.

1576
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,000
>> I will tell you what I will

1577
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,000
do. I will bring that up with

1578
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,000
Mr. Tanguay, I promise, I'm on

1579
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,000
that committee. He may already

1580
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,000
know. He may already know what's

1581
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,000
going on with that road. I

1582
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,000
assure you I will bring that up.

1583
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000
>> The small solution, if you

1584
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
make it 30 K an hour and you say

1585
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,060
30 and 40, people they have no

1586
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:02,060
time so we make it all serious

1587
01:01:02,060 --> 01:01:03,060
for the school and young

1588
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:07,060
families living in the street.

1589
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:09,060
>> Thank you.

1590
01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:10,060
>> God bless you all to work for

1591
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:15,060
us. Thank you.

1592
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:18,060
>>

1593
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:19,060
- Prochaine personne: Line

1594
01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:22,060
Conway. Good evening, Council.

1595
01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:26,060
It is bringing icy there is

1596
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:28,060
construction going up. It

1597
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:30,060
reminded me that a few months

1598
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:32,060
ago and there was a decision

1599
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:34,060
made to renovate the windmill. I

1600
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:37,060
was wondering what is going on

1601
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:39,060
with this, I have not seen any

1602
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:40,060
construction going there or any

1603
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:42,060
renovations. I would like to

1604
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:44,060
know, is this still happening,

1605
01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:46,060
when is it happening?

1606
01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:51,060
>> It's close. It's very close.

1607
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:55,060
Miss Verdun and I are --

1608
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:57,060
>> The historical building in

1609
01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:58,060
Pointe-Claire. It will be nice

1610
01:01:58,060 --> 01:02:00,020
to see it's maintained.

1611
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:02,020
>> Yes, that is the intention of

1612
01:02:02,020 --> 01:02:04,020
Council. That is the intention,

1613
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:06,020
especially the intention of Mr.

1614
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:10,020
Weemaes before he left. That was

1615
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:15,020
his swansong project. As he has

1616
01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:17,020
Dutch dissent and he loves

1617
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:18,020
windmills. He had been

1618
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:19,020
frustrated by that file for a

1619
01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:21,020
long time. There is a total will

1620
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:23,020
on the part of the entire

1621
01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:24,020
administration and Council to

1622
01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:25,020
get this done. Everybody is on

1623
01:02:25,020 --> 01:02:28,020
it. Everybody is for it. There

1624
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:32,020
has been no -- no problems at

1625
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:33,020
all. We've been steadfastly

1626
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:34,020
working. We are very close. I

1627
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:36,020
can tell you we are very close.

1628
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:37,020
People are working earnestly and

1629
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:38,020
in good faith to make it happen,

1630
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:41,020
I assure you.

1631
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:46,020
>> Thank you. Sometimes I see

1632
01:02:48,020 --> 01:02:50,020
stuff, I read stuff, I'm

1633
01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:54,020
scratching my head because west

1634
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:55,020
of Cadillac Fairview, Cadillac

1635
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:57,020
Fairview wanted to bring a few

1636
01:02:57,020 --> 01:02:58,020
years ago when he first

1637
01:02:58,020 --> 01:02:59,020
announced their project the

1638
01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:02,080
different Palmer low I don't

1639
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,080
know if it was -- I read

1640
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,080
somewhere they wanted to bring 5

1641
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,080
to 10,000 people in the Mu1

1642
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,080
area, or Mu2. That was a lot of

1643
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:17,080
people. Mu1, the project that

1644
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,080
was part of the resolution, was,

1645
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:25,080
I believe it's three buildings

1646
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,080
of 20 to 25 floors, about 700

1647
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,080
units, six or 700 units per

1648
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,080
building, if I'm correct.

1649
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,080
>> That's one proposal. We don't

1650
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,080
know, there has not been a third

1651
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,080
proposal yet. That was one of

1652
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,080
them.

1653
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:44,080
>> Okay, okay. I think that was

1654
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,080
yesterday. So west of Cadillac

1655
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,080
Fairview's village Laci green.

1656
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,080
Two of the councillors that did

1657
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,080
the resolution actually put

1658
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,080
something online for us to read

1659
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,080
about it. So Councillor Stork,

1660
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,040
you mentioned that it was a well

1661
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,040
thought out project and my

1662
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,040
question is not really a

1663
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,040
question. Why am scratching my

1664
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,040
head is, this project, it seems

1665
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,040
to be like a massive land. I'm

1666
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,040
not sure how many acres. It

1667
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:22,040
talks about 1000 units. It also

1668
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,040
talks about 47 single family

1669
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,040
homes. For all the time I've

1670
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,040
been following what's going on

1671
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,040
with the council and the plans

1672
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,040
with developers in

1673
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,040
Pointe-Claire, I'm wondering,

1674
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,040
people are against urban sprawl

1675
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,040
and densification. So why are we

1676
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,040
sort of like congratulating

1677
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,040
Kirkland for the Laci green

1678
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,040
project when they are still

1679
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,040
building 47 single family homes?

1680
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,040
Why are we not building

1681
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,040
multiplexes, this is along the

1682
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,040
highway. It's very close to the

1683
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,040
new train station. Why are we

1684
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,000
congratulating them for building

1685
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,000
single family homes when all of

1686
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:06,000
this could've been multiplexes?

1687
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,000
>> Because densification can

1688
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,000
include single family homes.

1689
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,000
Densification can include a

1690
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,000
multitude of structures.

1691
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000
Densification doesn't

1692
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
necessarily mean multi level

1693
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,000
high-rise buildings.

1694
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,000
>> I don't think we need any

1695
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,000
more in Pointe-Claire. I don't

1696
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000
think we will have that anymore

1697
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
in Pointe-Claire.

1698
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,000
>> Let's see, let's see. We

1699
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000
don't know where we are headed.

1700
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,000
We don't have our master plan

1701
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,000
yet. We have not decided. None

1702
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,000
of those decisions have been

1703
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,000
made. We might -- we may very

1704
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
well have some single family

1705
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,000
homes.

1706
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,000
>> It should be multiplexes, in

1707
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,000
my opinion. Not towers. Not

1708
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:46,000
single family homes.

1709
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
>> We don't know that yet.

1710
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,000
Again, we don't know. That is

1711
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,000
all up in the air and yet to be

1712
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,000
determined. I agree with you, I

1713
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,000
am very intrigued by the

1714
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:59,000
Kirkland project. I'm especially

1715
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,060
intrigued at how they conducted

1716
01:06:00,060 --> 01:06:03,060
the project and the process they

1717
01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:05,060
used. I think as a Council we've

1718
01:06:05,060 --> 01:06:07,060
been watching it and keeping an

1719
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:09,060
eye on it. So maybe we will have

1720
01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:12,060
a similar result, who knows. We

1721
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:14,060
don't know. We can't predict the

1722
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:15,060
future. That's my feeling on

1723
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:17,060
that one.

1724
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:19,060
>> May I answer a question? What

1725
01:06:19,060 --> 01:06:22,060
I commend on that project, if

1726
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:24,060
the basic understanding of urban

1727
01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:25,060
planning is that where they put

1728
01:06:25,060 --> 01:06:26,060
those single family homes is

1729
01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:28,060
across the street from single

1730
01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:30,060
family homes. Whenever you have

1731
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:32,060
an urban project, you have to

1732
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:33,060
scale as we go towards the city

1733
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:35,060
center or to the rim, the

1734
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:36,060
buildings get higher. If you

1735
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:39,060
look at their project, the 47

1736
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:40,060
houses across the street from

1737
01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:42,060
single family units. As they get

1738
01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:46,060
closer towards the rim, they go

1739
01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:47,060
to two storeys, four storeys,

1740
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:49,060
six storeys. They end up with 12

1741
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:51,060
storeys on the left side, the

1742
01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:52,060
opposite side of Fairview

1743
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:55,060
Avenue. The commending of this

1744
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:56,060
project is to take into

1745
01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:59,060
consideration, a, the public

1746
01:06:59,060 --> 01:07:00,020
consultations mayor Thomas

1747
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:03,020
mentioned, the, when you

1748
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:05,020
developed a process you respect

1749
01:07:05,020 --> 01:07:06,020
the projects next to you. The

1750
01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:08,020
single family units next to

1751
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:10,020
single family units. You go on a

1752
01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:11,020
scale towards an urban scale,

1753
01:07:11,020 --> 01:07:13,020
towards the center. The project,

1754
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:14,020
please let me finish. The

1755
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:16,020
project that is being discussed,

1756
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:18,020
the only part, part one of

1757
01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:19,020
Cadillac Fairview's project

1758
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:21,020
which is in the parking lot

1759
01:07:21,020 --> 01:07:22,020
right next to the rim would be

1760
01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:24,020
the highest. We are proposing

1761
01:07:24,020 --> 01:07:25,020
20. Five it doesn't mean it will

1762
01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:27,020
be 20. Five nothing has been

1763
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:28,020
discussed, there has not been

1764
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:29,020
one conversation today in

1765
01:07:29,020 --> 01:07:31,020
reference to that. That we do

1766
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:32,020
know that the taller buildings

1767
01:07:32,020 --> 01:07:34,020
will be closer to the rim. As

1768
01:07:34,020 --> 01:07:37,020
you go towards Brunswick and

1769
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:38,020
towards currently the Fairview

1770
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:40,020
forest, it will degrade down

1771
01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:42,020
because that is standard urban

1772
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:44,020
planning principles. That's my

1773
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:45,020
answer.

1774
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:46,020
>> As it gets closer to

1775
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:47,020
Pointe-Claire, it's getting

1776
01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:49,020
taller towers but that will have

1777
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:52,020
the tallest. Also Mr. Cowan, on

1778
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:54,020
your social media, you wrote

1779
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:56,020
something to this effect, there

1780
01:07:56,020 --> 01:07:59,020
is a social activist for social

1781
01:07:59,020 --> 01:08:04,080
housing. There was a reply from

1782
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,080
-- what he wrote was, he had

1783
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,080
three questions. Does it have

1784
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,080
affordable housing? He answers

1785
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,080
this no. Does it follow

1786
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,080
sustainable urban planning

1787
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,080
practices? No. Single family

1788
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,080
zoning, the most sustainable

1789
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:22,080
type of zoning and urban

1790
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,080
planning? And three, pay for the

1791
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,080
consultation process, the

1792
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,080
developer. That was not a

1793
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:34,080
question. But just a comment.

1794
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,080
>> Miss Conway, do you have a

1795
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,080
question?

1796
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:44,080
>> No, but I want to reply to

1797
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,080
Mr. David Webb. When he said

1798
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,080
people are coming to complain,

1799
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,080
he's complaining about people

1800
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,080
complaining, he specifically --

1801
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,080
>> Miss Conway, if you can --

1802
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,080
miss Conway.

1803
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,040
>> I said there was a crisis at

1804
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,040
the lakeshore General Hospital,

1805
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,040
there is not enough staff. Let's

1806
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,040
fix problems that exist now, too

1807
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,040
much traffic, not enough health

1808
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,040
care at the hospital. When that

1809
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,040
is fixed, then we can think

1810
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,040
about giving permits for more --

1811
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,040
that's always my solution. I

1812
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,040
don't come to complain. I come

1813
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,040
to bring a solution, to fix the

1814
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,040
problem for people. People are

1815
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,040
very welcoming. Let's fix this

1816
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,040
first.

1817
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:29,040
>> Okay. I appreciate what you

1818
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:34,040
are saying. You've had your

1819
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,040
questions. I tend to agree with

1820
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,040
the staffing of the hospital. I

1821
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,040
think that's an issue that has

1822
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,040
to be understood. I think we

1823
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,040
have a shortage of health care

1824
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,040
in the West Island. I was

1825
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:50,040
protesting the closure of the

1826
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,040
emergency -- if you will

1827
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,040
densify, you should make sure

1828
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,040
your core services, like eating

1829
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,040
people alive, all-round for the

1830
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,040
people that move in. I will give

1831
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,000
you that much. But I thank you

1832
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,000
for your time and your

1833
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,000
questions.

1834
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,000
>> Okay, thank you.

1835
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,000
>> Madame Susan Weaver.

1836
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:11,000
- Madame Susan Weaver.

1837
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,000
>> I guess you know my name,

1838
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:21,000
Susan Weaver. Okay. As a

1839
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,000
taxpayer and a senior on a fixed

1840
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,000
income, I'm concerned as to how

1841
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
much my taxes will increase with

1842
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,000
all the lawsuits that the city

1843
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,000
has been sent. I believe that

1844
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:38,000
there are 11 lawsuits since

1845
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,000
January 2022. Some are quite

1846
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000
hefty and our legal fund would

1847
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,000
never cover them. Some loss to

1848
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,000
are an of it -- unavoidable, I

1849
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,000
know. If others can be avoided

1850
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,000
with mediation or consultation,

1851
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
they should be. Unnecessary

1852
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,000
lawsuits are a waste of taxpayer

1853
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,000
money. I really need an honest

1854
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,060
explanation, please explain.

1855
01:11:01,060 --> 01:11:02,060
>> Is that your question?

1856
01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:05,060
>> Yeah.

1857
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:07,060
>> The word unnecessary is very

1858
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:09,060
interesting. What's a necessary

1859
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:11,060
lawsuit and what's an

1860
01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:13,060
unnecessary lawsuit? For me, a

1861
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:14,060
necessary lawsuit is to protect

1862
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:18,060
the city and keep it developing

1863
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:20,060
and evolving in a way that the

1864
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:23,060
citizens prefer. If that is

1865
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:25,060
being threatened or wrist, then

1866
01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:27,060
I think it's well worth public

1867
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:29,060
funds to protect citizens for a

1868
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:30,060
vision they would like for their

1869
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:32,060
city. For me, that is a

1870
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:36,060
necessary lawsuit. Most

1871
01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:39,060
developers do lawsuits, most of

1872
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:41,060
them give lawsuits. It is a

1873
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:43,060
standard operating procedure in

1874
01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:44,060
municipal government. If you

1875
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:46,060
succumb to every lawsuit, you

1876
01:11:46,060 --> 01:11:47,060
give a developers everything

1877
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:49,060
they want. At some point, you

1878
01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:50,060
have to make decisions and

1879
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:52,060
decide what's important for your

1880
01:11:52,060 --> 01:11:54,060
city. Rather than succumb to

1881
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:56,060
every lawsuit or settle them all

1882
01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:58,060
but not to the satisfaction of

1883
01:11:58,060 --> 01:11:59,060
your citizens. So it's a

1884
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:01,020
balance. You have to make that

1885
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:03,020
call. It's being done right now.

1886
01:12:03,020 --> 01:12:05,020
The last election was

1887
01:12:05,020 --> 01:12:06,020
confirmation of a desire to have

1888
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:08,020
that done. The RCIs are the

1889
01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:10,020
result of a desire on the part

1890
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:11,020
of the citizens of Pointe-Claire

1891
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:13,020
to have that until it was done.

1892
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:14,020
A lot of developers don't agree

1893
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:16,020
with the building freeze but

1894
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:19,020
most of the population to.

1895
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:21,020
That's my answer to that. When

1896
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:22,020
necessary or unnecessary, I

1897
01:12:22,020 --> 01:12:24,020
think necessary.

1898
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:26,020
>> Maybe some are unnecessary.

1899
01:12:26,020 --> 01:12:27,020
Depends on how much we are going

1900
01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:29,020
to have to pay in the end.

1901
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:32,020
>> It's up to the citizens. How

1902
01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:34,020
much and what taxes are taken

1903
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:35,020
and what the City does is up to

1904
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:36,020
the public role. It is up to the

1905
01:12:36,020 --> 01:12:40,020
public.

1906
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:42,020
>> If we don't win these

1907
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:43,020
lawsuits, then --

1908
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:44,020
>> How do you know if you will

1909
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:47,020
win the lawsuit? But

1910
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:48,020
>> Pardon?

1911
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:49,020
>> How do you know? It's a judge

1912
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:53,020
who decides.

1913
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:54,020
>> How does any --

1914
01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:56,020
>> Generally, from my advice,

1915
01:12:56,020 --> 01:12:58,020
from what I've been advised,

1916
01:12:58,020 --> 01:12:59,020
it's how complete the plan is

1917
01:12:59,020 --> 01:13:02,080
when it is submitted. The

1918
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,080
developer has firmer ground the

1919
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,080
more developed and completed the

1920
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,080
plan is. My advice has been

1921
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,080
given to make decisions based on

1922
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,080
what our plan is completed,

1923
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,080
submitted, and accepted to a

1924
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,080
point where you can't turn

1925
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,080
around on. That's generally has

1926
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,080
decided. That's what I have done

1927
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,080
on the advice of my staff. Those

1928
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:20,080
are the answers to your

1929
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:25,080
questions. Madam Gutierrez?

1930
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:34,080
- Geneviève Lussier.

1931
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:35,080
>> Hey, everybody.

1932
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,080
- Bonjour tout le monde. My

1933
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,080
question is about the process of

1934
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,080
the public participation for the

1935
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,080
reopening of the urban plan. The

1936
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,080
process has already started.

1937
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,080
Currently, there is a special

1938
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,080
planning program -- that

1939
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,080
includes Mu1, Mu2, and I'm

1940
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,080
wondering this means it will be

1941
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,080
a specific session of

1942
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,080
consultation session dedicated

1943
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:56,080
exclusively to discussing the

1944
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,080
future of that area as my first

1945
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:58,080
question.

1946
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:03,040
>> I suspect yes. Madame Verdun?

1947
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,040
>> I cannot answer because we

1948
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,040
not decide all the

1949
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:12,040
participation. The meetings, we

1950
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,040
are going, we don't decide

1951
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,040
exactly what we want to do with

1952
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:19,040
them, the PPU downtown.

1953
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,040
>> Which specifically? Will

1954
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:27,040
there be a section --

1955
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,040
>> Il y a un pays pour Valois,

1956
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,040
il y a un pays pour...

1957
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,040
- Ce que j'expliquais, Monsieur

1958
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,040
le Maire, dans les rencontres,

1959
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,040
c'est qu'on n'a pas encore

1960
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,040
décidé ce qui va être le

1961
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:37,040
processus participatif avec le

1962
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,040
conseil de ville dans les

1963
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,040
rencontres qu'on a, pour

1964
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,040
l'instant, il faudrait répondre

1965
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,040
quel sera spécifiquement la

1966
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,040
participation publique? Pour ça,

1967
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,040
on y va un à la fois.

1968
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,040
- O.K., mais vous dites que

1969
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,040
c'est le pays, que le PPP eut

1970
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,040
regardez participation

1971
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,040
particulière, Différentes de

1972
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,040
celles qui sont prévues?

1973
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,040
- Pas nécessairement, c'est

1974
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,040
qu'on n'est pas rendu là au

1975
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,000
niveau du centre-ville dans la

1976
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,000
discussion au niveau du Conseil

1977
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,000
pour la partie

1978
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,000
>> Centre-ville.

1979
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,000
My second question is, I'm

1980
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,000
wondering if there is specific

1981
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,000
participation sessions just

1982
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:15,000
about green spaces. When they

1983
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
told us that there is going to

1984
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,000
be ten new sessions for public

1985
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,000
participation, my understanding

1986
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,000
Les zones vertes, vous ne le

1987
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,000
savez pas? Is that you are not

1988
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,000
aware what the next ten sessions

1989
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:30,000
will be.

1990
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,000
>> Depending of the answer of

1991
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,000
each public participation, we

1992
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:37,000
plan the next one with the --

1993
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,000
probably we have Fisher know

1994
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,000
session about that with the

1995
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,000
green space and stuff like. That

1996
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,000
but exactly what will be the

1997
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
content I cannot tell you right

1998
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
now.

1999
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,000
>> I'm not expecting the

2000
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,000
content. Just wondering. We can

2001
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,000
expect something about green

2002
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,000
spaces. Okay, thank you.

2003
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,000
>> Linda do mess.

2004
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,060
- Linda Dumas.

2005
01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:08,060
>> Hi, my lame -- name is Linda

2006
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:09,060
do miss, just to put a point on

2007
01:16:09,060 --> 01:16:13,060
it, I am an anglophone.

2008
01:16:13,060 --> 01:16:16,060
Surprisingly. My first time at

2009
01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:18,060
the mic only my second time in

2010
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:22,060
my life at a council meeting.

2011
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:25,060
Very interesting what's been

2012
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:27,060
going on and of course I do have

2013
01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:29,060
a presentation and I would like

2014
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:33,060
to stick with that. Is it all

2015
01:16:34,060 --> 01:16:36,060
right if my question is much

2016
01:16:36,060 --> 01:16:39,060
more of a rhetorical question?

2017
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:42,060
>> That's fine.

2018
01:16:42,060 --> 01:16:44,060
>> Is that fine? Because I have

2019
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:48,060
an oral presentation. Hopefully,

2020
01:16:48,060 --> 01:16:49,060
questions can come to that. I

2021
01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:50,060
know I won't take more than four

2022
01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:52,060
minutes.

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01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:55,060
>> That's better than a lot. If

2024
01:16:55,060 --> 01:16:57,060
you could get a little closer,

2025
01:16:57,060 --> 01:16:58,060
it would be better.

2026
01:16:58,060 --> 01:16:59,060
>> All right, okay. I can hear

2027
01:16:59,060 --> 01:17:04,020
it now. Geneviève Lucia was

2028
01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:06,020
talking about the March 15th --

2029
01:17:06,020 --> 01:17:09,020
this is my preamble -- meeting,

2030
01:17:09,020 --> 01:17:13,020
which was so well attended. And

2031
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:16,020
at the end of that meeting, the

2032
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:20,020
resident workshop about the next

2033
01:17:21,020 --> 01:17:22,020
ten-year build future

2034
01:17:22,020 --> 01:17:24,020
Pointe-Claire I consider a very

2035
01:17:24,020 --> 01:17:26,020
wise resident, I spoke to at the

2036
01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:29,020
very end of it saying because

2037
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:30,020
this person has been involved

2038
01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:33,020
for a long time, what did you

2039
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:36,020
think was comparable to others,

2040
01:17:36,020 --> 01:17:39,020
et cetera. She looked at me and

2041
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:41,020
said, we should be starting this

2042
01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:43,020
ten-year building plan defining

2043
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:48,020
where we must not build. That's

2044
01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:52,020
insightful, it's almost like a

2045
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:56,020
eureka moment for me, perhaps

2046
01:17:56,020 --> 01:18:00,080
for some of you. I don't know.

2047
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,080
Then my lead in, to paraphrase

2048
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:07,080
scientist David Suzuki, as we

2049
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,080
destroy the bio biodiversity

2050
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:12,080
that allows natural systems to

2051
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,080
function, no amount of money

2052
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:19,080
will save us. My presentation is

2053
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,080
questioning why are not the

2054
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,080
broad question is -- why are we

2055
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,080
not digging in more? And because

2056
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:35,080
Whitman builders often taken

2057
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,080
down, restoration, money around

2058
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,080
the world for men's and

2059
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,080
knowledgeable efforts. Some

2060
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,080
winningly, some very much

2061
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:52,080
unwittingly. In the immense

2062
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,080
expense and restoration around

2063
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,080
the world and I won't mention

2064
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,040
any of the product, and the

2065
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,040
projects that hopefully everyone

2066
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:07,040
here, especially on the council

2067
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:11,040
thanks a lot about biodiversity

2068
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:16,040
and is informed about not

2069
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:20,040
Pointe-Claire but in the world.

2070
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,040
With this global truism, when I

2071
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,040
referred to as David syzygies,

2072
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,040
and of course thousands of other

2073
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,040
scientists, informed people,

2074
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,040
with this global terrorism at

2075
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,040
the forefront of our lives, it

2076
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,040
is the Earth's lungs of

2077
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,040
Pointe-Claire city that are

2078
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:43,040
significant every day. They are

2079
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,040
very small longs around us that

2080
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:50,040
we take for granted. The long

2081
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,040
Quebecers -- the pricelessness

2082
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,040
of Fairview bike where forest

2083
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,000
because it is so significant,

2084
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,000
endangered, benefiting the

2085
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,000
entire island of Montréal and

2086
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,000
beyond. I believe most of us

2087
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,000
don't recognize or think about

2088
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,000
this interconnectedness. This

2089
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,000
forest is not only a

2090
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:21,000
Pointe-Claire issue. If we want

2091
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,000
petitions and signatures and

2092
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:27,000
opinions, I firmly believe it

2093
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,000
does not belong just to

2094
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,000
Pointe-Claire residents. It is

2095
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:38,000
too profound for that. I address

2096
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,000
and beseech Cadillac Fairview, I

2097
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,000
understand they are not here

2098
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,000
tonight. In its umbrella

2099
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,000
partnerships to adopt this

2100
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,000
environmental urgency in global

2101
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:56,000
truism to their platform. Even

2102
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,000
though 2013 is your very recent

2103
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,060
ownership of this attractive

2104
01:21:00,060 --> 01:21:02,060
land, today's daily world

2105
01:21:02,060 --> 01:21:05,060
attention to mans past and

2106
01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:08,060
current and knowledgeable

2107
01:21:08,060 --> 01:21:09,060
industrial and commercial

2108
01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:13,060
actions is undeniable. There are

2109
01:21:13,060 --> 01:21:15,060
restorations to our mistakes

2110
01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:19,060
ongoing in the world. Please

2111
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:20,060
join the backers on speaking to

2112
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:25,060
Cadillac Fairview. They are the

2113
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:29,060
people who own the lands and who

2114
01:21:29,060 --> 01:21:32,060
hopefully every councillor will

2115
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:35,060
wish to ask them to consider --

2116
01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:45,060
to consider their legacy, do you

2117
01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:50,060
consider our legacy in what you

2118
01:21:51,060 --> 01:21:56,060
say and do with them.

2119
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:58,060
>> Linda, are you almost done?

2120
01:21:58,060 --> 01:21:59,060
You're almost done?

2121
01:21:59,060 --> 01:22:01,020
>> Yes, I am almost an. It's not

2122
01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:03,020
five minutes or nine minutes,

2123
01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:04,020
okay? And that I know.

2124
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:08,020
>> I'm just asking.

2125
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:10,020
>> Please join Quebecers to

2126
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,020
preserve your, this is Cadillac

2127
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:13,020
Fairview, your attractive

2128
01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:18,020
Fairview forest intact. Let's

2129
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:22,020
thoughtfully revise our actions.

2130
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:25,020
If he raised even partially,

2131
01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:27,020
this millennia forest cannot

2132
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:31,020
ever be duplicated or rebuilt.

2133
01:22:31,020 --> 01:22:35,020
Man builds, man undoes. Please,

2134
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:37,020
the governing of ram, if you are

2135
01:22:37,020 --> 01:22:40,020
here tonight, they are not, and

2136
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:45,020
adopt, revise, redo construction

2137
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:47,020
for planned earth. We citizens

2138
01:22:47,020 --> 01:22:50,020
remember the building and

2139
01:22:50,020 --> 01:22:54,020
undoing of Mirabel airport.

2140
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:55,020
Vast, vast, vast amounts of

2141
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:59,020
money. Perhaps the world movers

2142
01:22:59,020 --> 01:23:04,080
and shakers may no longer as

2143
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,080
eagerly used the phrase business

2144
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,080
as usual. Thank you for your

2145
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:12,080
attention to my text. I do have

2146
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,080
a few copies, I don't know if

2147
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,080
anyone wants them. And they are

2148
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,080
at the front desk. So thank you

2149
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,080
very much. Do you have a

2150
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,080
question with that?

2151
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:26,080
>> Yes. Why are we even talking

2152
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:33,080
about the Fairview forest as a

2153
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:38,080
possible place to build? We've

2154
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,080
got deep pockets, there is all

2155
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:43,080
kinds of ways that Cadillac

2156
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,080
Fairview can be obliged,

2157
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:50,080
tempted, hopefully their wish

2158
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,080
for a legacy, for enormous PR it

2159
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:57,080
is great. They do not serve

2160
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:02,040
Pointe-Claire. People come from

2161
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,040
far distances to Cadillac

2162
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,040
Fairview. Their community is not

2163
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:11,040
just Pointe-Claire. Thank you.

2164
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,040
>> Thank you.

2165
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:16,040
>> The question is, so, I sent

2166
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:20,040
you a letter last month. Why are

2167
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,040
we even discussing Fairview

2168
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,040
forest? We are doomed. We should

2169
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,040
know that.

2170
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,040
>> You've said a lot a very

2171
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,040
interesting things.

2172
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,040
Congratulations on your first

2173
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:35,040
venture to city hall into the

2174
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,040
microphone, I congratulate you

2175
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:40,040
on the, Linda. Well done. You

2176
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,040
are right, it's a long to the

2177
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,040
rest of the world. It's more

2178
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,040
than just Pointe-Claire. You've

2179
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,040
also said, you mentioned the

2180
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,040
term deep pockets. The problem

2181
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,040
here is, who's pockets? If it's

2182
01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:00,000
everybody's lungs and -- maybe

2183
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,000
all the world can help save it.

2184
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,000
We can all contribute.

2185
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,000
Pointe-Claire is a small city

2186
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,000
and we are looking for economic

2187
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,000
solutions. We can always use

2188
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:12,000
help. Well, here is hoping. This

2189
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,000
is part of the challenge and you

2190
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,000
are right it is a forest

2191
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
everybody benefits from, all,

2192
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,000
over not just in Pointe-Claire,

2193
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,000
but everywhere. We have to do

2194
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:27,000
this week. The protection or the

2195
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,000
acquisition of that land is a

2196
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,000
big part of the challenge. How

2197
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,000
to protect and preserve that

2198
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,000
land and should that be a little

2199
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,000
municipality or is it a bigger,

2200
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,000
a bigger lens for that.

2201
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,000
[Inaudible]

2202
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,000
>> I agree. Thank you for your

2203
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:57,000
effort. Something has got to

2204
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,060
give, I agree. We are working on

2205
01:26:02,060 --> 01:26:03,060
it.

2206
01:26:03,060 --> 01:26:04,060
>> Norman Normales à point?

2207
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:05,060
Lapointe.

2208
01:26:05,060 --> 01:26:06,060
>> Before that, Mister Mayor, I

2209
01:26:06,060 --> 01:26:07,060
would add one thing. It was

2210
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:08,060
about a baby last two speakers.

2211
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:11,060
Just to reassure you, back in

2212
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:13,060
2019, every available green

2213
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:16,060
space that these City owned had

2214
01:26:16,060 --> 01:26:19,060
in our possession was protected

2215
01:26:19,060 --> 01:26:21,060
so we changed the zoning for

2216
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:22,060
Drake forest, the institutional

2217
01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:24,060
green space, we changed Lindsey

2218
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:25,060
Place upper from residential

2219
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:28,060
Town Homes for green space. We

2220
01:26:28,060 --> 01:26:29,060
changed the woods behind horizon

2221
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:31,060
school from institutional to

2222
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:33,060
green space. Ponner Woods is

2223
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:35,060
also zoned green space before.

2224
01:26:35,060 --> 01:26:37,060
It's not zoned for development.

2225
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:38,060
I just wanted to reiterate

2226
01:26:38,060 --> 01:26:39,060
because it has been brought up

2227
01:26:39,060 --> 01:26:42,060
twice, everything that we, had

2228
01:26:42,060 --> 01:26:43,060
the capacity to do was protected

2229
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:46,060
in 2019.

2230
01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:48,060
[Inaudible]

2231
01:26:50,060 --> 01:26:52,060
>> And the part that was not is

2232
01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:53,060
the part that we now have a

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01:26:53,060 --> 01:26:58,060
police station on.

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>> Okay. Okay. Norman?

2235
01:27:06,020 --> 01:27:08,020
>> Yes --

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01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:09,020
- Je pense que... c'est

2237
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:11,020
- Oui, c'est à monsieur Normand

2238
01:27:11,020 --> 01:27:12,020
Lapointe.

2239
01:27:12,020 --> 01:27:13,020
- Je vais laisser ma place.

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01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:14,020
- Vous allez laisser votre

2241
01:27:14,020 --> 01:27:17,020
place? Alors la prochaine

2242
01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:20,020
personne, c'est Keith Kelly.

2243
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:31,020
>> Council and mayor, Keith

2244
01:27:31,020 --> 01:27:35,020
Kelly. I'm not a previous

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01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:40,020
councillor. But I happen to be a

2246
01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:41,020
lifetime resident of

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01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:45,020
Pointe-Claire. I'm here tonight

2248
01:27:45,020 --> 01:27:49,020
to say that I am very, very

2249
01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:52,020
concerned about what I hear and

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01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:56,020
see at these council meetings.

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01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:58,020
Last election I believe all of

2252
01:27:58,020 --> 01:28:01,080
you people at the table here ran

2253
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,080
an election and I heard from the

2254
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:04,080
public you want a bit of a

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01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,080
change. Don't let them go too

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01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,080
fast. Slow things down. I think

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01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:10,080
every one of them is working

2258
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:15,080
towards that. The wishes of the

2259
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,080
people, I believe, we are

2260
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:20,080
considered and are being

2261
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,080
considered in day-to-day

2262
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:26,080
operations of your council. The

2263
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,080
previous council meetings that I

2264
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,080
attended, and I have attended a

2265
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:35,080
few for many many years, I've

2266
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:36,080
always sat here and appreciated

2267
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:37,080
what went on in front of me, how

2268
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:41,080
it went. Things that weren't

2269
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,080
necessary to be exposed to the

2270
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:44,080
public were held back in that

2271
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:48,080
room. I find today, Mister

2272
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,080
Mayor, you in particular, have

2273
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:54,080
often said,,

2274
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:02,040
,. I've never heard that before,

2275
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:06,040
never. You can't run the city by

2276
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:10,040
yourself. You need teamwork, you

2277
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:14,040
need leadership. I think the

2278
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,040
thing that really broke the

2279
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,040
straw for me to accept a recent

2280
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:23,040
article in the Facebook. It's

2281
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:27,040
one of many you put on Facebook.

2282
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:30,040
As far as I'm concerned, this

2283
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,040
was something that's incredible.

2284
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:36,040
You put in artworks, you put

2285
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,040
major Thibault under the bus.

2286
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,040
You made it very clear that you

2287
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,040
didn't agree with the things she

2288
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,040
had done. She is part of your

2289
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,040
administration. She is well

2290
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,040
respected and as a -- is very

2291
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:55,040
qualified. Mr. Jacob who plied

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01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,040
on Facebook if, anybody read it,

2293
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:02,000
he is bang on! I think your

2294
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:10,000
comments in Facebook to meet,

2295
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,000
either to phone or send a tally

2296
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:18,000
or email to the city

2297
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,000
administration and complain

2298
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,000
about your concern it is totally

2299
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,000
responsible. These people are

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01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:26,000
busy doing their job. Your

2301
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,000
personal opinion, you can

2302
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,000
express it wherever you want and

2303
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,000
Council. But as a mayor, you

2304
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:31,000
should be doing it in the

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01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:35,000
public. I think we can spend a

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01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,000
little bit more time, a little

2307
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,000
bit less time on Facebook. And

2308
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,000
the public gatherings where I

2309
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,000
think you appreciate getting

2310
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:46,000
your picture taken! As far as

2311
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,000
I'm concerned, an effort that we

2312
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,000
need to do something more about

2313
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,000
leading this group and coming to

2314
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:56,000
work with a very qualified group

2315
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,000
of councillors, many of them

2316
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,060
have been here for years. This

2317
01:31:01,060 --> 01:31:03,060
one gentleman is part of the

2318
01:31:03,060 --> 01:31:04,060
woodwork. I won't mention his

2319
01:31:04,060 --> 01:31:08,060
name. I'm sure you should be

2320
01:31:09,060 --> 01:31:10,060
able to work with him now. My

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01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:12,060
question, when are you going to

2322
01:31:12,060 --> 01:31:13,060
get on board with council and

2323
01:31:13,060 --> 01:31:16,060
the administration and get our

2324
01:31:16,060 --> 01:31:18,060
city running smoothly and

2325
01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:20,060
professionally again? Thank you.

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01:31:20,060 --> 01:31:22,060
>> Thank you. Interesting, Mr.

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01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:26,060
Kelly. I'm always intrigued by

2328
01:31:27,060 --> 01:31:31,060
revisionist history. People who

2329
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:33,060
feel the past was great and the

2330
01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:34,060
President is so much more

2331
01:31:34,060 --> 01:31:38,060
difficult. I can remember 500

2332
01:31:38,060 --> 01:31:40,060
people and a consultation -- a

2333
01:31:40,060 --> 01:31:42,060
citizen consultation over the

2334
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:43,060
pioneer where people were not

2335
01:31:43,060 --> 01:31:45,060
happy. I can member meetings in

2336
01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:48,060
this room where the mayor was

2337
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:49,060
chastised and called on fifth

2338
01:31:49,060 --> 01:31:50,060
first job. In the last

2339
01:31:50,060 --> 01:31:52,060
administration, to a far greater

2340
01:31:52,060 --> 01:31:54,060
degree than this one, so I'm

2341
01:31:54,060 --> 01:31:56,060
quite intrigued by your

2342
01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:57,060
interpretation of history on

2343
01:31:57,060 --> 01:32:00,020
that one. I was a citizen for

2344
01:32:00,020 --> 01:32:03,020
five years ago, I 100% disagree

2345
01:32:03,020 --> 01:32:07,020
with your interpretation. As for

2346
01:32:07,020 --> 01:32:08,020
Madam Thibault, I already

2347
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:12,020
answered that one. If you don't

2348
01:32:12,020 --> 01:32:14,020
accept it, I was elected, I am

2349
01:32:14,020 --> 01:32:17,020
an elected official, sir. To

2350
01:32:17,020 --> 01:32:19,020
represent the people. My job,

2351
01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:22,020
first and foremost, is to

2352
01:32:22,020 --> 01:32:23,020
represent and defend the rights

2353
01:32:23,020 --> 01:32:26,020
of the people. That's one

2354
01:32:26,020 --> 01:32:28,020
elected official does. That's

2355
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:31,020
not necessarily the job of a

2356
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:32,020
civil servant, as much as it is

2357
01:32:32,020 --> 01:32:35,020
the job of an elected official.

2358
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:38,020
I've been a civil servant. I've

2359
01:32:38,020 --> 01:32:39,020
been a civil servant, Mr. Kelly.

2360
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:41,020
You don't need to talk, it's my

2361
01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:42,020
turn now. You are talking about

2362
01:32:42,020 --> 01:32:44,020
the quorum in this room and how

2363
01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:46,020
to behave and behaviour. Just

2364
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:47,020
let me point out that you can

2365
01:32:47,020 --> 01:32:50,020
allow me to finish saying one

2366
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:53,020
thing. As for the difference

2367
01:32:53,020 --> 01:32:55,020
between the two is that I am

2368
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:57,020
paid and in my job I was

2369
01:32:57,020 --> 01:32:59,020
elected, I live in district one.

2370
01:32:59,020 --> 01:33:01,080
I am now currently the acting

2371
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:02,080
councillor for district one. I

2372
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,080
deal with the issues of district

2373
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:08,080
one. Citizens came to me

2374
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:10,080
complaining about something that

2375
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:13,080
had occurred. Now where does my

2376
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:16,080
job begin and end? Where it is

2377
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:17,080
fitting in defending the

2378
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,080
citizen, where is the balance?

2379
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,080
Maybe I don't have it right. But

2380
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,080
I do feel it's important as an

2381
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:24,080
elected official to speak for

2382
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:29,080
the citizens and their concerns.

2383
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,080
So if you think just being quiet

2384
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,080
and allowing things to go on,

2385
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,080
that you, I personally, not just

2386
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:36,080
the citizen, but I personally

2387
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,080
disagree with, you've got the

2388
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:42,080
wrong guy. I speak for moral

2389
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,080
issues, profound concerns that

2390
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,080
permeate through society. I feel

2391
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:50,080
it is important to speak with

2392
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:53,080
morality and values. That means

2393
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:57,080
sometimes that you speak out.

2394
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:58,080
Some of us do it in some of us

2395
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:02,040
don't. I have no intention of

2396
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,040
denigrating the Thibault. I

2397
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,040
disagree and it's not just her.

2398
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:07,040
That happens in other

2399
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,040
municipalities. I'm disagreeing

2400
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,040
with the practice. The citizens,

2401
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,040
I think, of district one would

2402
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,040
be better served if we did a

2403
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:19,040
polling station in the district

2404
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,040
because seniors would be better

2405
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,040
able to get there and vote and

2406
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,040
wouldn't have to take a car and

2407
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,040
have to go up an elevator or go

2408
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,040
to a building that's

2409
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,040
intimidating. That's my belief,

2410
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:30,040
that was the belief from a lot

2411
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:31,040
of people. I expressed that, it

2412
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,040
had an unfortunate consequence.

2413
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:36,040
I really -- it was a dilemma

2414
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:37,040
because the chief returning

2415
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,040
officer is in a different

2416
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:41,040
position then a city clerk. It's

2417
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,040
a whole other role that she has,

2418
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:45,040
she has a role where she's given

2419
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,040
the responsibility where she is

2420
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,040
the sole arbiter, the sole

2421
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,040
decider. Mr. Kelly, you are

2422
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,040
talking about the quorum. You

2423
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,040
are talking about the quorum.

2424
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:56,040
Please live up to your own

2425
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,040
words. She is the sole

2426
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,000
arbitrator of a decision. She

2427
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,000
has given the -- councillors and

2428
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,000
mayors cannot intervene in that

2429
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,000
process. We are not allowed to

2430
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:08,000
speak to that process or to

2431
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:13,000
intervene. But we cannot decide.

2432
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,000
What maybe by clumsily informing

2433
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,000
citizens that we have nothing,

2434
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,000
Council or mayor, have no say

2435
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,000
over this, it probably spelled

2436
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,000
out in a negative direction. I

2437
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,000
was actually stating something

2438
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,000
that's factual. That is in fact

2439
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,000
true in the law. We are not

2440
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:35,000
responsible for that decision. I

2441
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,000
apologize for any clumsiness in

2442
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,000
how I have expressed myself. But

2443
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:41,000
I reserve my right as an elected

2444
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,000
politician to every once in a

2445
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,000
while express what I think the

2446
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,000
citizens desire. On occasions,

2447
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:50,000
but I also desire.

2448
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,000
>> I don't necessarily agree

2449
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,000
with you. But I would suggest

2450
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,060
that I would see you speaking to

2451
01:36:00,060 --> 01:36:03,060
your council, maybe as a joint

2452
01:36:10,060 --> 01:36:11,060
--

2453
01:36:11,060 --> 01:36:14,060
>> We do that all the time. We

2454
01:36:14,060 --> 01:36:16,060
do all kinds of stuff like that,

2455
01:36:16,060 --> 01:36:17,060
Mr. Kelly. Mr. Kelly, what you

2456
01:36:17,060 --> 01:36:22,060
should do -- Mr. Kelly. You

2457
01:36:24,060 --> 01:36:26,060
could go back and look at the

2458
01:36:26,060 --> 01:36:28,060
various council meetings in the

2459
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:31,060
last year and a half, Mr. Kelly.

2460
01:36:31,060 --> 01:36:34,060
Review the actions of all

2461
01:36:34,060 --> 01:36:38,060
members of Council and see

2462
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:40,060
whether I am the problem,

2463
01:36:40,060 --> 01:36:41,060
whether it's a collective

2464
01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:44,060
problem, or whether there are

2465
01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:46,060
other people who may not be

2466
01:36:46,060 --> 01:36:47,060
necessarily easy to get along

2467
01:36:47,060 --> 01:36:49,060
with either. Why would you

2468
01:36:49,060 --> 01:36:50,060
necessarily attribute that to

2469
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:53,060
me? That I think is unfair and I

2470
01:36:53,060 --> 01:36:54,060
would encourage. I'm talking

2471
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:56,060
sir. I would encourage you to go

2472
01:36:56,060 --> 01:36:58,060
back and review the meetings.

2473
01:36:58,060 --> 01:37:00,020
Just watch them. Do it yourself,

2474
01:37:00,020 --> 01:37:02,020
do your own survey, go back and

2475
01:37:02,020 --> 01:37:04,020
watch them. See, evaluate my

2476
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:06,020
behaviour, what I believe to get

2477
01:37:06,020 --> 01:37:08,020
along with my, peers and the

2478
01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:10,020
others. Thank you, sir. That's

2479
01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:11,020
okay, Mr. Kelly. We are done,

2480
01:37:11,020 --> 01:37:13,020
Mr. Kelly. The next question,

2481
01:37:13,020 --> 01:37:17,020
Madame Gutierrez. Mr. Kelly, you

2482
01:37:17,020 --> 01:37:19,020
are talking about the here in

2483
01:37:19,020 --> 01:37:20,020
this chamber. You are talking

2484
01:37:20,020 --> 01:37:21,020
about behaviour in this chamber.

2485
01:37:21,020 --> 01:37:22,020
You've just demonstrated

2486
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:27,020
otherwise. That I'm Gutierrez?

2487
01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:28,020
>> Sorry, Mr. Kelly. I

2488
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:31,020
apologize, Mr. Kelly.

2489
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:33,020
>> The next person, I apologize

2490
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:36,020
for the last name, Tim fan. Is

2491
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:40,020
it femme the last name? Fame. He

2492
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:43,020
is not here. If somebody can

2493
01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:47,020
column.

2494
01:37:47,020 --> 01:37:49,020
>> I take back my right.

2495
01:37:49,020 --> 01:37:51,020
>> So no Tim fame. Next person,

2496
01:37:51,020 --> 01:37:56,020
Ed.

2497
01:37:59,020 --> 01:38:01,080
>> Good evening, y'all. My first

2498
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:02,080
ever time in the council meeting

2499
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,080
as well. Thank you very much for

2500
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:06,080
this opportunity. I put my name

2501
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,080
on the list blindly. My

2502
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:09,080
questions have already been

2503
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:14,080
asked. Which brings me to

2504
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,080
another question, actually. It's

2505
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,080
all about the Northview park

2506
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,080
improvements, renovations. I

2507
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:20,080
would like to request the

2508
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:23,080
improvements be actual

2509
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:24,080
improvements. It is a small

2510
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:29,080
park, as far as parks go. The

2511
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:30,080
beauty of that park is actually

2512
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,080
how it is surrounded by -- and

2513
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:36,080
we can access the field and the

2514
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,080
green space, the open space.

2515
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,080
Anywhere around the park

2516
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,080
throughout the perimeter. There

2517
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,080
aren't enclosed areas already,

2518
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:47,080
the tennis court, the pool, the

2519
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,080
playground with fences. The

2520
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,080
actual multipurpose field, the

2521
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,080
beauty of it is actually it's

2522
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:54,080
accessibility and the openness

2523
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:58,080
of the green space. It's amazing

2524
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,080
we want to redo the baseball

2525
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,040
field and actually improve the

2526
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,040
park. Like I said I would really

2527
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,040
like to request that we

2528
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,040
reconsider the perimeter fence

2529
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,040
so improvements can remain and

2530
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,040
be an improvement. Which brought

2531
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:14,040
me to my question. We've learned

2532
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:15,040
that the contract has been

2533
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,040
awarded. How realistic are

2534
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:20,040
possible would it be? The

2535
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,040
contractor is a person. We are

2536
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,040
people. We can just communicate,

2537
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,040
top, reach in agreement, and

2538
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:28,040
understanding. Possibly just

2539
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:31,040
say, listen, we agreed upon a

2540
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,040
perimeter fence. Is there any

2541
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,040
way we could still build a fence

2542
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,040
but not a perimeter fence? That

2543
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,040
we redo the tennis courts fan

2544
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,040
when -- the Viking pool fence

2545
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,040
which is in rough shape. There

2546
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,040
would still be the contract, the

2547
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,040
value amount, the work. But it's

2548
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,040
just in terms of the possibility

2549
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:53,040
of reevaluating in the current

2550
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:58,040
plan and considering it --

2551
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,000
keeping it as a beautiful, green

2552
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,000
open space. I understand now

2553
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,000
from your explanation, thank you

2554
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,000
very much, that there are two

2555
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,000
open areas on the site. Like I

2556
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,000
said, the beauty is being able

2557
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:10,000
to access the Greenfield from

2558
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:12,000
anywhere, not having to walk 200

2559
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:15,000
feet one way to go around a

2560
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:16,000
fence, 200 feet back to be at

2561
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:17,000
the same place which we can

2562
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:22,000
access right now easily.

2563
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,000
>> Thank you very much. Okay.

2564
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,000
>> For this opportunity.

2565
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,000
>> Any question?

2566
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,000
>> My question is, how realistic

2567
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,000
would it be to actually

2568
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,000
renegotiate with the contractor

2569
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,000
since the contract has been

2570
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,000
awarded about the possibility of

2571
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,000
doing some other work instead of

2572
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,000
the perimeter fence.

2573
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,000
>> We were talking about that

2574
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,000
before we came out here.

2575
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,000
>> Oh, fantastic.

2576
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,000
>> That is right on -- you are

2577
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,000
spot on. That will be explored,

2578
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,000
absolutely will be explored,

2579
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,000
provided -- we all agree on what

2580
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,000
the solution will be, which has

2581
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,000
not been made yet. But given

2582
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,060
what you proposed that is a

2583
01:41:00,060 --> 01:41:01,060
possibility as well. You are

2584
01:41:01,060 --> 01:41:03,060
absolutely right. They are all

2585
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:04,060
solutions.

2586
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:05,060
>> Thank you so much. Have a

2587
01:41:05,060 --> 01:41:08,060
good evening, sir.

2588
01:41:08,060 --> 01:41:09,060
>> Five minutes left, Mister

2589
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:12,060
Mayor.

2590
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:15,060
>> Five minutes left?

2591
01:41:15,060 --> 01:41:16,060
>> Next person, Caroline Ed

2592
01:41:16,060 --> 01:41:20,060
well.

2593
01:41:20,060 --> 01:41:21,060
>> I thought we could get

2594
01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:26,060
something else out of the deal?

2595
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:31,060
>> Good evening, everyone. Can

2596
01:41:31,060 --> 01:41:36,060
anybody hear me?,, -- I have two

2597
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:42,060
questions. First question is for

2598
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:46,060
Mr. Mayor. The street lamps,

2599
01:41:46,060 --> 01:41:48,060
when they are burnt out, when

2600
01:41:48,060 --> 01:41:50,060
they are first reported, if you

2601
01:41:50,060 --> 01:41:52,060
report it in writing, what is

2602
01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:54,060
the turnaround time to have that

2603
01:41:54,060 --> 01:41:55,060
street land prepared?

2604
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:58,060
>> Very good question. It's easy

2605
01:41:58,060 --> 01:41:59,060
--

2606
01:41:59,060 --> 01:42:00,020
>> Sorry to interrupt. You can

2607
01:42:00,020 --> 01:42:03,020
pose it to the engineering --

2608
01:42:03,020 --> 01:42:04,020
>> I am going to. I don't have

2609
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:07,020
the engineer. Do we have an

2610
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:08,020
approximate turnaround time on a

2611
01:42:08,020 --> 01:42:12,020
burnt out streetlight?

2612
01:42:12,020 --> 01:42:13,020
>> Mini. There it's burglar who

2613
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:15,020
does it. It's usually pretty

2614
01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:19,020
quick.

2615
01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:20,020
>> Three months is kind of the

2616
01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:21,020
long time?

2617
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:23,020
>> It sounds like it. Eric, do

2618
01:42:23,020 --> 01:42:24,020
you have an answer?

2619
01:42:24,020 --> 01:42:27,020
>> I had the same situation. It

2620
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:29,020
was an extensive period of time.

2621
01:42:29,020 --> 01:42:30,020
There was also issues with

2622
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:32,020
replacing parts, even though the

2623
01:42:32,020 --> 01:42:33,020
supply chain issues are existing

2624
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:37,020
today. It does take a bit of

2625
01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:39,020
time but it could also be a

2626
01:42:39,020 --> 01:42:41,020
supply chain issue. I can make

2627
01:42:41,020 --> 01:42:42,020
sure they will answer the

2628
01:42:42,020 --> 01:42:43,020
question.

2629
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:44,020
>> I sent it to you January 4th,

2630
01:42:44,020 --> 01:42:46,020
Mister Mayor. It is still not

2631
01:42:46,020 --> 01:42:48,020
fixed now.

2632
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:49,020
>> No kidding!

2633
01:42:49,020 --> 01:42:50,020
>> You did say, I will pass it

2634
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:52,020
on to the proper department

2635
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:55,020
which is engineering. I sent a

2636
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:57,020
couple of emails. It's not done.

2637
01:42:57,020 --> 01:42:59,020
Just to tell you the story. I'm

2638
01:42:59,020 --> 01:43:00,080
going to make it quick.

2639
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,080
>> The street? The street again?

2640
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:04,080
Give me the street.

2641
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:08,080
>> It's an elegant, 104 elegant.

2642
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:09,080
I'm wondering if the people in

2643
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:12,080
the house that is in front of

2644
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:13,080
it, they have a switch to turn

2645
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,080
it off. I don't know. It is

2646
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:19,080
still not fix. I know it's the

2647
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,080
L.E.D.. There has been issues

2648
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:24,080
with L.E.D.s. They've been fixed

2649
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:26,080
quite quickly on our street. We

2650
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,080
had one on 15 parkland. It

2651
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,080
flashed on and off. I know there

2652
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,080
is issues with the L.E.D.. This

2653
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:32,080
particular poll does have

2654
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:35,080
L.E.D.. So it is still not

2655
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,080
fixed. It has gone through quite

2656
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:40,080
a few emails. I filled out the

2657
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:43,080
actual form online. I keep

2658
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:46,080
getting an answer, oh, yes, we

2659
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:47,080
are going to repair it, it is

2660
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:50,080
sent to the proper department. I

2661
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:53,080
think you subcontract that out,

2662
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:54,080
right? It's not the city

2663
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:58,080
employee that fixes it?

2664
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,040
>> It's as.

2665
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:01,040
>> They told me in the last

2666
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:05,040
email, she told me it is -- it

2667
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,040
is something. I have it in

2668
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,040
emails, she's got it in writing,

2669
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,040
it's another company that does

2670
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:14,040
it. I was walking around because

2671
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,040
I'm a dog owner. So walking

2672
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:17,040
around and at night you need

2673
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:21,040
lights, okay? As I'm walking

2674
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,040
around in the morning, I saw

2675
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:25,040
this truck. It's a red van.

2676
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:28,040
There is a young fellow in a

2677
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,040
cherry -- looks like he is

2678
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:31,040
fixing the light. I sat there

2679
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,040
with my dog saying, okay, I'm

2680
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,040
going to ask him when he gets

2681
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,040
there, do you have one for my

2682
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,040
street on the list? I will call

2683
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:40,040
my person and see what he says.

2684
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:41,040
Anyway, he wrote down the

2685
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,040
address. I guess that is about a

2686
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,040
month ago. Can I make the

2687
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,040
suggestion because we are not

2688
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,040
all here to just complain but I

2689
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:53,040
will make a suggestion, maybe

2690
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,040
you can put some kind of note on

2691
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:56,040
that poll, we are working on it.

2692
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,040
We were notified. January 5th,

2693
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:00,000
we are working on it, we are

2694
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,000
trying to get it fixed. Just

2695
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,000
because in the winter, with the

2696
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,000
snow removal, this and that,

2697
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,000
slip and fall is just waiting to

2698
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:10,000
happen. Somebody is going to get

2699
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:14,000
hurt.

2700
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:17,000
>> I had a similar issue. You

2701
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,000
said L.E.D. as if it was a

2702
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,000
recent installation. I think

2703
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,000
it's a warranty issue. That was

2704
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,000
the problem with a street lamp

2705
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:27,000
on Champlain. It doesn't account

2706
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:28,000
for people not getting back to

2707
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,000
you. If it is the same case, the

2708
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,000
city is going after the

2709
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,000
contractor, which -- that's

2710
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,000
probably what happened, I'm

2711
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,000
guessing, to respect the

2712
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:40,000
warranty.

2713
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,000
>> She said, it's -- and I just

2714
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:47,000
read. It's my last. Okay. It

2715
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,000
says normally the street lights

2716
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,000
are done by the building

2717
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,000
department. But she said there

2718
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:02,060
is a company called Énergère.

2719
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:07,060
She said, I don't know which

2720
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:08,060
department. I asked her the

2721
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:09,060
question, two questions. One,

2722
01:46:09,060 --> 01:46:10,060
did you get this? I sent it to

2723
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:13,060
the Mayor January 4th. He

2724
01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:15,060
forwarded it on. She did answer

2725
01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:16,060
that question. I can't tell you

2726
01:46:16,060 --> 01:46:17,060
when it was sent out, but they

2727
01:46:17,060 --> 01:46:20,060
are trying to process each of

2728
01:46:20,060 --> 01:46:21,060
the orders as they come in.

2729
01:46:21,060 --> 01:46:23,060
First come, first served. Well,

2730
01:46:23,060 --> 01:46:28,060
I wasn't -- so she said, I can't

2731
01:46:30,060 --> 01:46:33,060
read it, she said it's a

2732
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:34,060
company, everybody is

2733
01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:36,060
apologizing. I understand that.

2734
01:46:36,060 --> 01:46:37,060
If you want, I can leave you

2735
01:46:37,060 --> 01:46:39,060
these emails and it will tell

2736
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:40,060
you the name of the company, I

2737
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:44,060
can't see it right now. But

2738
01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:45,060
anyway that's my question and

2739
01:46:45,060 --> 01:46:49,060
that's my suggestion. Just put

2740
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:50,060
something on the pole, we are

2741
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:51,060
working on it, thank you very

2742
01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:56,060
much.

2743
01:46:57,060 --> 01:47:00,020
>> Thank you for that. Second

2744
01:47:00,020 --> 01:47:01,020
question I have is, I am a dog

2745
01:47:01,020 --> 01:47:06,020
owner. Going walking around, I

2746
01:47:06,020 --> 01:47:07,020
need street lights to see to

2747
01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:10,020
pick up the dog poop. Trust me,

2748
01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:12,020
this winter I have done moves

2749
01:47:12,020 --> 01:47:13,020
Cirque du Soleil could not do

2750
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:15,020
picking up my dog poop and

2751
01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:18,020
trying to dispose of it. Yes, I

2752
01:47:18,020 --> 01:47:21,020
pick up after my dog, I'm a

2753
01:47:21,020 --> 01:47:22,020
responsible dog owner. And

2754
01:47:22,020 --> 01:47:25,020
trying to dispose of it, the

2755
01:47:25,020 --> 01:47:27,020
garbage cans situation in the

2756
01:47:27,020 --> 01:47:30,020
city, do you have any plans to

2757
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:32,020
add more and the reason I'm

2758
01:47:32,020 --> 01:47:34,020
asking, I walk through our

2759
01:47:34,020 --> 01:47:36,020
beautiful parks. Our parks are

2760
01:47:36,020 --> 01:47:39,020
lovely. There is parks that have

2761
01:47:39,020 --> 01:47:43,020
30, 25, 2:30 garbage

2762
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:45,020
receptacles. Once you get in the

2763
01:47:45,020 --> 01:47:49,020
city walking around, just for

2764
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:52,020
example, on chest or, there is

2765
01:47:52,020 --> 01:47:55,020
one garbage bin. It's on chest,

2766
01:47:55,020 --> 01:47:57,020
or the corner of tester and --

2767
01:47:57,020 --> 01:47:58,020
the rest of the way up, there is

2768
01:47:58,020 --> 01:48:02,080
one on Belmont. That's it. My

2769
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:05,080
suggestion, it's a suggestion,

2770
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:07,080
don't always complain, my

2771
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:09,080
suggestion, cut the bins that

2772
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:11,080
you have in the parks by at

2773
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,080
least half, Kelly, the park

2774
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,080
around the corner has two

2775
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:20,080
garbage bins, 25 paces apart. To

2776
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:21,080
get more ridiculous, I can show

2777
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:25,080
you pictures. I have them here.

2778
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:27,080
In voyager Park, here is a

2779
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:30,080
garbage bin. You cross the

2780
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:31,080
little path. There is a garbage

2781
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,080
bin. If you go to terracotta

2782
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,080
park, the curve there, there's

2783
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:39,080
three garbage bins. If you go to

2784
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:42,080
the park on Belmont, and I'm

2785
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:43,080
almost finished, you go to the

2786
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:47,080
park on Bell Mount down from

2787
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:48,080
terracotta where you go up,

2788
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,080
there are on the street Belmont,

2789
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,080
we are talking about one, two,

2790
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:54,080
three, within a 500 foot thing,

2791
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:57,080
not counting the ones in the

2792
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:58,080
soccer field, because there is

2793
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:03,040
eight more or six more. Then you

2794
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:04,040
go from Belmont after those

2795
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:08,040
three to Belmont on sources.

2796
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,040
There are two. It's not evenly

2797
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:13,040
distributed. Cut them by half in

2798
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:14,040
the park, because we are

2799
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:15,040
supposed to be responsible and

2800
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,040
recycle and everything or even

2801
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:18,040
for events when you have the

2802
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:21,040
events, take a big garbage bin

2803
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:25,040
that you can, one -- for people

2804
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:27,040
to throw in their garbage. Can

2805
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:31,040
we have that at least? Does that

2806
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:32,040
sound not bad?

2807
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:33,040
>> Who knows, who knows.

2808
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:36,040
>> When you get --

2809
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:37,040
>> We can talk about, it

2810
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:40,040
absolute. The science of where

2811
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:41,040
they are located is not

2812
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:45,040
something I'm familiar with. For

2813
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,040
sure, we can change where some

2814
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:48,040
are located. If dog owners let

2815
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,040
us know where they are more

2816
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:53,040
frequently needed, more power to

2817
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,040
them.

2818
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:56,040
>> I will tell you. Okay, thank

2819
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:58,040
you.

2820
01:49:58,040 --> 01:49:59,040
>> Suggest there is where they

2821
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,000
are needed.

2822
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,000
>> Sorry. Just to suggest you,

2823
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,000
Kelly are part, there is one

2824
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:09,000
unless earn. You go through that

2825
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,000
path to cut up. There is one at

2826
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:12,000
the beginning of that path. One

2827
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,000
at the end of that path, 25

2828
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:17,000
steps apart. The rest of the

2829
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:20,000
path he walked through, zip.

2830
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,000
More would be lovely. I would

2831
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:23,000
like to see that.

2832
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:24,000
>> Point taken.

2833
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,000
>> Thank you.

2834
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,000
>> Thank you very much.

2835
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:27,000
>> Have a good evening.

2836
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:28,000
>> You too.

2837
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:29,000
- Madame Sylvie clairement...

2838
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,000
c'est fini? C'est fini.

2839
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:36,000
>> We are out of time. Okay.

2840
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:41,000
Apologies to any others. Where

2841
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:42,000
there are many names left?

2842
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,000
>> Two.

2843
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:51,000
>> Nonresidents.

2844
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:56,000
Ça va?

2845
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:57,000
- Ça va.

2846
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,000
- Ça va, O.K..

2847
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,060
- Madame Clermont a été là toute

2848
01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:02,060
la soirée?

2849
01:51:02,060 --> 01:51:03,060
- Oui...

2850
01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:06,060
-, O.K. O.K., une autre, une

2851
01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:07,060
autre.

2852
01:51:07,060 --> 01:51:10,060
- Alors Sylvie Clermont. Oui,

2853
01:51:10,060 --> 01:51:13,060
oui? Alors Sylvie Clermont.

2854
01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:14,060
- Bonjour, merci pour cette

2855
01:51:14,060 --> 01:51:16,060
exception, je vais vous parler

2856
01:51:16,060 --> 01:51:17,060
en français, si vous permettez.

2857
01:51:17,060 --> 01:51:18,060
- Oui.

2858
01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:20,060
- Alors je ne suis pas citoyenne

2859
01:51:20,060 --> 01:51:21,060
de Pointe-Claire, c'est pour ça

2860
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:23,060
qu'on a passé la soirée ici et

2861
01:51:23,060 --> 01:51:24,060
merci de me permettre

2862
01:51:24,060 --> 01:51:28,060
d'intervenir. Nous sommes... mon

2863
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:29,060
nom est Sylvie clairement, c'est

2864
01:51:29,060 --> 01:51:34,060
ça, je suis membre du Mouvement

2865
01:51:34,060 --> 01:51:35,060
d'action régionale en

2866
01:51:35,060 --> 01:51:36,060
environnement, on est ici ce

2867
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:37,060
soir pour venir soutenir,

2868
01:51:37,060 --> 01:51:39,060
finalement, les citoyens et on

2869
01:51:39,060 --> 01:51:44,060
en a parlé beaucoup ici ce soir,

2870
01:51:44,060 --> 01:51:46,060
sauvons la forêt Fairview.

2871
01:51:46,060 --> 01:51:49,060
D'abord, on veut souligner, on

2872
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:50,060
veut souligner l'initiative

2873
01:51:50,060 --> 01:51:55,060
courageuse que vous avez eu

2874
01:51:55,060 --> 01:51:57,060
d'adopter un RCI et de protéger

2875
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:58,060
l'appareil ou par le règlement

2876
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:01,020
de contrôle intérimaire qui est

2877
01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:03,020
même protégée par un contrôle de

2878
01:52:03,020 --> 01:52:06,020
règlement intérimaire de la CCM,

2879
01:52:06,020 --> 01:52:07,020
alors le mouvement d'action

2880
01:52:07,020 --> 01:52:09,020
régionale en événement, c'est

2881
01:52:09,020 --> 01:52:11,020
qu'on incite les villes à

2882
01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:12,020
protéger officiellement leur

2883
01:52:12,020 --> 01:52:14,020
milieu naturel existants. Ces

2884
01:52:14,020 --> 01:52:16,020
écosystèmes matures rendent des

2885
01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:17,020
services écosystémiques

2886
01:52:17,020 --> 01:52:18,020
importants pour nos

2887
01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:20,020
collectivités. Pour nous, leur

2888
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:21,020
conservation est prioritaire

2889
01:52:21,020 --> 01:52:23,020
dans nos territoires, surtout au

2890
01:52:23,020 --> 01:52:24,020
sud du Québec qui sont très

2891
01:52:24,020 --> 01:52:26,020
développées, il y a énormément

2892
01:52:26,020 --> 01:52:28,020
de pression sur les habitats

2893
01:52:28,020 --> 01:52:30,020
naturels. Alors selon les cibles

2894
01:52:30,020 --> 01:52:33,020
de la COP15, il y a la COP15 qui

2895
01:52:33,020 --> 01:52:35,020
a eu lieu en décembre ici à

2896
01:52:35,020 --> 01:52:38,020
Montréal, 30% des habitats

2897
01:52:38,020 --> 01:52:40,020
naturels, la cible, pour 2030,

2898
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:42,020
c'est de conserver 30% des

2899
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:46,020
habitats naturels et de

2900
01:52:46,020 --> 01:52:48,020
restaurer 30% aussi de milieux

2901
01:52:48,020 --> 01:52:50,020
naturels abîmé. De les

2902
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:54,020
restaurer. Alors que la

2903
01:52:54,020 --> 01:52:55,020
communauté... je vais lire,

2904
01:52:55,020 --> 01:52:57,020
parce que le message est quand

2905
01:52:57,020 --> 01:52:58,020
même important, ce ne sera pas

2906
01:52:58,020 --> 01:52:59,020
très long, je vous remercie de

2907
01:52:59,020 --> 01:53:02,080
votre temps. Alors que la

2908
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,080
communauté métropolitaine de

2909
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:06,080
Montréal, la CMM, s'apprête à

2910
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:07,080
s'acquitter de ses engagements,

2911
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:09,080
parce que madame Valérie Plante

2912
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,080
et monsieur les onusienne

2913
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:12,080
(---)

2914
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:13,080
, le directeur général de la CMM

2915
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:14,080
se sont engagés lors de la COP15

2916
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:18,080
à atteindre les cibles de 30%

2917
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:21,080
pour 2030. Alors que la CMM ça

2918
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,080
porte à s'acquitter de ses

2919
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:24,080
engagements en matière de,

2920
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,080
cibles elle aura besoin des plus

2921
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:27,080
grandes initiatives de la part

2922
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:29,080
des municipalités qu'il a

2923
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:31,080
composent. Il se peut que

2924
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:32,080
l'espace nécessaire à cette

2925
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,080
tâche ne soit tout simplement

2926
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:35,080
pas disponibles dans votre

2927
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:39,080
ville. Alors cela dit, votre

2928
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:40,080
contribution, au même titre que

2929
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:42,080
celle des autres municipalités,

2930
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:45,080
sera requise au maximum de ce

2931
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,080
qui est physiquement possible si

2932
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:49,080
on veut atteindre collectivement

2933
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:50,080
et régionalement les objectifs

2934
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:53,080
fixés. Cela dit, comme citoyenne

2935
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:58,080
qui fait partie d'un groupe, on

2936
01:53:58,080 --> 01:53:59,080
est très conscient des

2937
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,040
difficultés des villes, vous en

2938
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:02,040
avez parlé tantôt, l'aspect

2939
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:04,040
financier, les habitats

2940
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:06,040
naturels, en rajouter, les

2941
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:08,040
expropriations des visées, les

2942
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:09,040
poursuites abusive des

2943
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:10,040
promoteurs, on est très

2944
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:12,040
conscient de ça. Par, contre je

2945
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:13,040
pense que ce qu'on attend de nos

2946
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:18,040
élus, c'est un courage politique

2947
01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:22,040
de faire face à la chasse de

2948
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:26,040
génération qui est ici pour nos

2949
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:28,040
enfants et les petits-enfants...

2950
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:29,040
les petits-enfants et les

2951
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:30,040
générations qui vont venir après

2952
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:33,040
nous. Malgré les risques comme

2953
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:34,040
élus, auxquels on fait face, je

2954
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:36,040
pense qu'il faut vraiment aller

2955
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,040
chercher à l'intérieur de nous,

2956
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,040
de nous tous comme citoyens,

2957
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:43,040
comme élus, le courage

2958
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:44,040
politique. J'essaie de... il y

2959
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:47,040
a... la firme Habitat a fait une

2960
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:50,040
étude pour la CMM, elle a

2961
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:51,040
démontré que si on préservait

2962
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:53,040
tous, tout tout à l'heure

2963
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:54,040
actuelle, tout ce qu'il est

2964
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:57,040
possible de préserver sur le

2965
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:00,000
territoire, on a 24,9% de

2966
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,000
milieux naturels, en comptant

2967
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:06,000
les friches, les espaces qu'on

2968
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:09,000
peut restaurer. Et on sait que

2969
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:11,000
dans 7 ans, il faudra atteindre

2970
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:12,000
30%. Ce qu'on, dit c'est qu'il

2971
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000
faut vraiment aller chercher un

2972
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,000
courage politique pour arrêter

2973
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,000
de couper les habitats naturels

2974
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:18,000
qu'on a. La forêt Fairview est

2975
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:22,000
un écosystème qui a une riche

2976
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:24,000
biodiversité, qui est important,

2977
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:28,000
nous, on pense que toutes les

2978
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,000
parcelles d'habitat naturel

2979
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,000
qu'on peut sauver à l'heure

2980
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:33,000
actuelle, il faut impérativement

2981
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:36,000
arrêter de couper et passer à

2982
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:39,000
restaurer. Alors... je pense que

2983
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,000
c'est un peu le message. Et la

2984
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:42,000
question que j'avais à vous

2985
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,000
poser, c'est: comment

2986
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,000
comptez-vous participer

2987
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:47,000
concrètement, ici, à

2988
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:50,000
Pointe-Claire, à l'atteinte des

2989
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,000
cibles clairement défini par la

2990
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:54,000
COP15? J'aimerais vous entendre

2991
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:55,000
là-dessus.

2992
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,000
- O.K..

2993
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,000
- Vous pouvez le faire en

2994
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,060
anglais, si vous voulez, mais...

2995
01:56:00,060 --> 01:56:01,060
- Nous vous remercions de votre

2996
01:56:01,060 --> 01:56:04,060
présence ce soir et d'avoir...

2997
01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:08,060
mais à la suite de la COP15, en

2998
01:56:09,060 --> 01:56:10,060
décembre dernier, nous avons

2999
01:56:10,060 --> 01:56:11,060
pris l'engagement de réaligner

3000
01:56:11,060 --> 01:56:14,060
les priorités de notre ville et

3001
01:56:14,060 --> 01:56:17,060
de travailler autant, au conseil

3002
01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:19,060
et à l'administration, afin de

3003
01:56:19,060 --> 01:56:20,060
placer l'environnement au coeur

3004
01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:22,060
de nos réflexions et de notre

3005
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:23,060
planification. Il y a beaucoup

3006
01:56:23,060 --> 01:56:25,060
de façons de faire ça. On a déjà

3007
01:56:25,060 --> 01:56:29,060
un gel sur la forêt Fairview,

3008
01:56:29,060 --> 01:56:31,060
pas seulement la CMM, mais aussi

3009
01:56:31,060 --> 01:56:33,060
à la Ville de Pointe-Claire.

3010
01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:35,060
Vous avez entendu la plupart de

3011
01:56:35,060 --> 01:56:39,060
nos conseils, on sait que c'est

3012
01:56:40,060 --> 01:56:42,060
une priorité, la priorité numéro

3013
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:44,060
1 pour la ville. Alors on

3014
01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:46,060
attend...-il y aura des

3015
01:56:46,060 --> 01:56:50,060
réflexions, on va répondre, on

3016
01:56:50,060 --> 01:56:51,060
cherchait l'argent, on cherche

3017
01:56:51,060 --> 01:56:54,060
les solutions partout. On a déjà

3018
01:56:54,060 --> 01:56:55,060
essayé, à la Ville de Montréal,

3019
01:56:55,060 --> 01:56:58,060
on a essayé avec la CMM, on ne

3020
01:56:58,060 --> 01:56:59,060
sait partout pour trouver une

3021
01:56:59,060 --> 01:57:01,020
solution. C'est ce qu'on est en

3022
01:57:01,020 --> 01:57:02,020
train de faire.

3023
01:57:02,020 --> 01:57:03,020
- Juste pour conclure ce que je

3024
01:57:03,020 --> 01:57:04,020
veux vous dire, c'est que les

3025
01:57:04,020 --> 01:57:05,020
citoyens, les groupes de

3026
01:57:05,020 --> 01:57:07,020
citoyens sont vraiment derrière

3027
01:57:07,020 --> 01:57:08,020
vous, alors on n'est pas là ici

3028
01:57:08,020 --> 01:57:11,020
ce soir pour nier que c'est très

3029
01:57:11,020 --> 01:57:13,020
difficile pour les élus

3030
01:57:13,020 --> 01:57:14,020
d'atteindre les cibles, mais en

3031
01:57:14,020 --> 01:57:16,020
même temps, les citoyens, les

3032
01:57:16,020 --> 01:57:17,020
groupes de citoyens, on est là,

3033
01:57:17,020 --> 01:57:19,020
justement, pour faire des

3034
01:57:19,020 --> 01:57:21,020
pressions pour que justement, la

3035
01:57:21,020 --> 01:57:23,020
Loi sur l'impôt pris action, que

3036
01:57:23,020 --> 01:57:25,020
vous pouviez avoir de l'argent

3037
01:57:25,020 --> 01:57:26,020
pour acheter les habitats

3038
01:57:26,020 --> 01:57:27,020
naturels, tout simplement vous

3039
01:57:27,020 --> 01:57:29,020
dire que moi, en tant que

3040
01:57:29,020 --> 01:57:31,020
représentante du MARE, je peux

3041
01:57:31,020 --> 01:57:33,020
vous assurer qu'on fait beaucoup

3042
01:57:33,020 --> 01:57:35,020
pour, justement, pour qu'on

3043
01:57:35,020 --> 01:57:37,020
puisse atteindre et se mettre

3044
01:57:37,020 --> 01:57:38,020
tous ensemble, finalement, pour

3045
01:57:38,020 --> 01:57:40,020
atteindre les cibles.

3046
01:57:40,020 --> 01:57:41,020
- Merci beaucoup pour votre

3047
01:57:41,020 --> 01:57:42,020
support.

3048
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:43,020
- Bienvenue!

3049
01:57:43,020 --> 01:57:47,020
- Merci beaucoup! Are you

3050
01:57:47,020 --> 01:57:51,020
Allowing the following person?

3051
01:57:52,020 --> 01:57:53,020
>> It is not up to me, it is up

3052
01:57:53,020 --> 01:57:56,020
to them, up to Mister Mayor.

3053
01:57:56,020 --> 01:57:57,020
>> Can it be really -- what is

3054
01:57:57,020 --> 01:58:01,080
the subject?

3055
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:02,080
- Est-ce que vous êtes

3056
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:03,080
Réjeanne...

3057
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:04,080
(inaudible)

3058
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:05,080
- Est-ce que vous êtes Réjeanne

3059
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:08,080
Bilodeau? Non? Parfait.

3060
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:11,080
- O.K., alors, moi, simplement,

3061
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:13,080
chers élus, membres du conseil,

3062
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:15,080
vous avez reçu une lettre le 23

3063
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:17,080
août le 24 mars, le 21 mars,

3064
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:19,080
pardon. Je l'ai laissée tantôt à

3065
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:22,080
la greffière, une copie. Ça

3066
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:23,080
concerne l'Union des

3067
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:24,080
municipalités du Québec qui,

3068
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:27,080
eux, encourage chaque

3069
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:30,080
municipalité à endossé une

3070
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:31,080
déclaration officielle qui

3071
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,080
s'appelle: unies pour le climat.

3072
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:34,080
C'est une déclaration comme quoi

3073
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:37,080
il y a urgence climatique. C'est

3074
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:38,080
sûr que je ne vous apprends rien

3075
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:40,080
ce soir, vous en est tous

3076
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:42,080
convaincus. Est-ce qu'il y a

3077
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:43,080
possibilité que la Ville de

3078
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,080
Pointe-Claire, compte tenu de

3079
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:47,080
son importance régionale, ici,

3080
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:50,080
que vous puissiez endosser, voté

3081
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:52,080
une résolution et déclaré que

3082
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:55,080
vous aussi, vous allez vers cet

3083
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:56,080
effort global qui est

3084
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:57,080
recommandé, vous le savez, il y

3085
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:00,040
a plus de 525 municipalités sur

3086
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:02,040
1107, c'est plus de la moitié,

3087
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:04,040
maintenant, qui ont déjà signé

3088
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:06,040
depuis 2021. Alors moi, c'est

3089
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:08,040
ça, j'ai dit deux minutes, c'est

3090
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:09,040
presque fini! Est-ce que la

3091
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:11,040
ville, c'est ma question,

3092
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,040
s'engage, chaque élus, chacun de

3093
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:16,040
vous, est-ce que vous croyez en

3094
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:18,040
la Déclaration de l'urgence

3095
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,040
climatique, être prêt à engager

3096
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:21,040
la Ville de Pointe-Claire à

3097
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:23,040
dire: oui, on reconnaît qu'il y

3098
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:24,040
a urgence? Et comme, là, vous

3099
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:26,040
êtes en train de faire votre

3100
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:28,040
plan d'urbanisme, tout ça,

3101
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:29,040
allez-vous travailler dans le

3102
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,040
sens de récupérer des

3103
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:33,040
infrastructures vertes, essayer

3104
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:35,040
d'aménager des espaces verts qui

3105
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:38,040
vont faire partie des objectifs

3106
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:40,040
qui ont été données autant au

3107
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:43,040
gouvernement du Québec à la CMM?

3108
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:44,040
J'ai dit que j'irais pas plus

3109
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:46,040
long, alors...

3110
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:49,040
- La question était: signé le

3111
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:50,040
document, oui...?

3112
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:52,040
- C'est une résolution que vous

3113
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:53,040
devez...

3114
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:54,040
- Oui. Il faut parler, comme le

3115
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:55,040
Conseil.

3116
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:56,040
- Tout simplement.

3117
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:58,040
- Pour décider si on va la

3118
01:59:58,040 --> 02:00:00,000
signer, mais...

3119
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,000
- Honnêtement, quand j'entends

3120
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:02,000
tous les commentaires, j'ai

3121
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:03,000
l'impression que ça devrait...

3122
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:06,000
- Je ne peux pas parler pour le

3123
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,000
conseil complètement, mais je

3124
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:09,000
pense qu'il y a une bonne

3125
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:10,000
possibilité qu'on puisse signer,

3126
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,000
il faut voir, étudier la

3127
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:15,000
résolution pour voir, pour

3128
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:18,000
décider, mais je pense qu'il y a

3129
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:20,000
un bon esprit... ça dépend! Ça

3130
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:22,000
dépend de ce que c'est. Mais

3131
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:23,000
O.K., je ne peux pas... tu ne

3132
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:25,000
peux pas parler pour le conseil

3133
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:27,000
complètement, mais la plupart de

3134
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,000
nous sont pour les mêmes

3135
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:30,000
objectifs.

3136
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,000
- Merci de nous avoir

3137
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:33,000
accueillis. Merci pour la chaise

3138
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,000
des générations. Je vais donner

3139
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:37,000
ça à madame la greffière.

3140
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:40,000
- O.K., merci beaucoup. Merci.

3141
02:01:03,060 --> 02:01:04,060
5.1 Avis de motion et dépôt d'un

3142
02:01:04,060 --> 02:01:05,060
projet de règlement modifiant le

3143
02:01:05,060 --> 02:01:06,060
Règlement PC-2949 décrétant les

3144
02:01:06,060 --> 02:01:07,060
tarifs exigibles pour le

3145
02:01:07,060 --> 02:01:08,060
financement de biens, services

3146
02:01:08,060 --> 02:01:09,060
et activités offerts par la

3147
02:01:09,060 --> 02:01:10,060
Ville de Pointe-Claire pour

3148
02:01:10,060 --> 02:01:15,060
l'exercice financier 2023. ce

3149
02:01:17,060 --> 02:01:18,060
projet de règlement vise à

3150
02:01:18,060 --> 02:01:19,060
corriger les tarifs d'un service

3151
02:01:19,060 --> 02:01:21,060
offert à 0 dollars pour les

3152
02:01:21,060 --> 02:01:22,060
non-résidents alors que ce n'est

3153
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:25,060
pas applicable.

3154
02:01:25,060 --> 02:01:29,060
>> Who gives the motion?

3155
02:01:29,060 --> 02:01:32,060
>> District to.

3156
02:01:32,060 --> 02:01:33,060
>> 5.2 filing the report with

3157
02:01:33,060 --> 02:01:36,060
respect to the bylaw, which was

3158
02:01:36,060 --> 02:01:40,060
a bylaw for 3 million $650,000

3159
02:01:40,060 --> 02:01:42,060
for vehicles. No signatures were

3160
02:01:42,060 --> 02:01:43,060
received and the pilot is deemed

3161
02:01:43,060 --> 02:01:44,060
to be approved by the qualified

3162
02:01:44,060 --> 02:01:45,060
voters. 6.1 Abroger et remplacer

3163
02:01:45,060 --> 02:01:47,060
la résolution 2022-090 désignant

3164
02:01:47,060 --> 02:01:52,060
le maire suppléant. à la séance

3165
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:56,060
du 8 février 2022, le conseil à

3166
02:01:56,060 --> 02:01:58,060
nommer pour l'entièreté du

3167
02:01:58,060 --> 02:02:00,020
mandat de novembre 2000 21

3168
02:02:00,020 --> 02:02:01,020
novembre 2025 les conseillers

3169
02:02:01,020 --> 02:02:03,020
qui vont occuper la fonction de

3170
02:02:03,020 --> 02:02:04,020
maire suppléant à tour de rôle

3171
02:02:04,020 --> 02:02:06,020
pour les mois de mai, juin,

3172
02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:07,020
juillet 2023 ainsi que mai,

3173
02:02:07,020 --> 02:02:11,020
juin, juillet 2025. Il avait été

3174
02:02:11,020 --> 02:02:15,020
décidé de désigner madame Erin

3175
02:02:16,020 --> 02:02:19,020
Tedford, le conseil abroge et

3176
02:02:19,020 --> 02:02:22,020
remplace la résolution afin de

3177
02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:23,020
désigner le maire suppléant à

3178
02:02:23,020 --> 02:02:24,020
nouveau pour

3179
02:02:24,020 --> 02:02:25,020
>> Do I have a mover? Couvrir

3180
02:02:25,020 --> 02:02:26,020
ces périodes.

3181
02:02:26,020 --> 02:02:27,020
>> District to.

3182
02:02:27,020 --> 02:02:32,020
>> Seconder?

3183
02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:36,020
>> I second district six. Thank

3184
02:02:37,020 --> 02:02:38,020
you.

3185
02:02:38,020 --> 02:02:43,020
>> All in favour?

3186
02:02:43,020 --> 02:02:48,020
>> The filing of the 721, but

3187
02:02:50,020 --> 02:02:51,020
the January 25th 2023 meeting of

3188
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:54,020
the report. Also 7.2 to file the

3189
02:02:54,020 --> 02:02:57,020
minutes of -- 2023 meeting of

3190
02:02:57,020 --> 02:03:01,080
the advisory. 9.1 Octroyer un

3191
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:02,080
contrat pour des services d'une

3192
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:03,080
agence de communication pour le

3193
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:04,080
développement d'une marque

3194
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:05,080
employeur pour Pointe-Claire, à

3195
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:07,080
Communications Mon Dada Inc.,

3196
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:08,080
pour un montant total de

3197
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:13,080
58269,33 $, taxes incluses. dans

3198
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:17,080
le contexte concurrentiel des

3199
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:19,080
offres d'emplois, nous

3200
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:20,080
souhaitons dynamiser notre

3201
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:21,080
approche et dégâts des...

3202
02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:23,080
dégager une vision qui soit

3203
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:24,080
inspirant et mobilisatrices pour

3204
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,080
les chercheurs d'emplois dans

3205
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:26,080
laquelle les employés se

3206
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:28,080
reconnaissent.

3207
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:30,080
>> Do I have a mover?

3208
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:34,080
(inaudible)

3209
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,080
.

3210
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:38,080
>> Seconder?

3211
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:39,080
>> District six.

3212
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:42,080
>> All in favour?

3213
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:44,080
>> 10.1, before the list of

3214
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:45,080
budget amendments on the

3215
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:46,080
register of checks for the

3216
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:47,080
period of March 2nd to March

3217
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:50,080
22nd, 2023. 12.1 Déposer la

3218
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:52,080
liste des changements au

3219
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:53,080
personnel par décisions

3220
02:03:53,080 --> 02:03:58,080
déléguées pour le mois d'avril

3221
02:03:58,080 --> 02:03:59,080
2023. 12.2 Approuver la liste

3222
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:00,040
des changements au personnel par

3223
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:01,040
décisions non déléguées au 4

3224
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:05,040
avril 2023.

3225
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:07,040
>> Do I have a mover?

3226
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:09,040
>> Kara Stanford, district four.

3227
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:10,040
>> Eric Stork, district's

3228
02:04:10,040 --> 02:04:11,040
second.

3229
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:13,040
>> All in favour?

3230
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:16,040
>> Thank you.

3231
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:17,040
>> Toward a contract for the

3232
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:19,040
supply and delivery of trees for

3233
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:20,040
the distribution to citizens on

3234
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:21,040
earth day two Communications Mon

3235
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:24,040
Dada Inc. Pepiniere Cramer Inc.,

3236
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:25,040
Pepiniere Dominique Savio Ltee,

3237
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:26,040
Pepiniere Jardin 2000 Inc.,

3238
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:29,040
Jardin Deux Montagnes Inc. for a

3239
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:34,040
total amount of $52,687.87 taxes

3240
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:35,040
included. The trees will be

3241
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:38,040
distributed to the citizens of

3242
02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:39,040
Pointe-Claire as part of our day

3243
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:40,040
activities, as outlined in the

3244
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:42,040
ash control strategy. 14.2

3245
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:43,040
Octroyer un contrat pour la

3246
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:44,040
fourniture de services de

3247
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:46,040
location de lavabos portables et

3248
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:47,040
toilettes chimiques pour l'année

3249
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:48,040
2023, à Sanibert Inc., pour un

3250
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:51,040
montant total de 47186,60 $,

3251
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:54,040
taxes incluses, avec l'année

3252
02:04:54,040 --> 02:04:59,040
2024 en option. ces toilettes et

3253
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:01,000
lavabo portable sont destinées à

3254
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:02,000
différents sites extérieurs pour

3255
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,000
des durées de location variable

3256
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:05,000
selon les besoins. Cette

3257
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:06,000
démarche apporte bien de

3258
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,000
répondre aux besoins de la

3259
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,000
population dans les divers parcs

3260
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:10,000
et espaces verts de la ville et

3261
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:12,000
selon le calendrier des

3262
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:15,000
activités extérieures.

3263
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:16,000
>> 14.3, award a contract for

3264
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,000
the supply delivery of trees for

3265
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,000
the year 2020 32 Pepiniere

3266
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:22,000
Jardin 2000 Inc., for total

3267
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:26,000
amount of $161,000, this

3268
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:28,000
contract is part of the annual

3269
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:29,000
Municipal tree replacement

3270
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:30,000
program in conjunction with the

3271
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,000
asteroid movable appraisement

3272
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:34,000
Program under the emerald ash

3273
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,000
borer control strategy adopted

3274
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:36,000
in 2015 by Council. 14.4

3275
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:37,000
Octroyer un contrat pour la

3276
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:38,000
fourniture et livraison des

3277
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:39,000
matériaux paysagers en vrac pour

3278
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:40,000
l'année 2023, à Matériaux

3279
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,000
Paysagers Savaria Ltée, pour un

3280
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:44,000
montant total de 83149,35 $,

3281
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:49,000
taxes incluses. les matériaux

3282
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,000
serviront les départements de la

3283
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:53,000
voirie, de l'{city_council}

3284
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:56,000
horticulture et des parcs.

3285
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:57,000
>> 14.5, to award a contract for

3286
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:59,000
the opening and closing about

3287
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:00,060
door swimming and paddling pools

3288
02:06:00,060 --> 02:06:02,060
for the year 2023 two Piscines

3289
02:06:02,060 --> 02:06:05,060
et Spas Poseidon Inc. for a

3290
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:09,060
total amount of $177,000.68

3291
02:06:09,060 --> 02:06:12,060
taxes included, with the year

3292
02:06:12,060 --> 02:06:14,060
2020 for an option, they works

3293
02:06:14,060 --> 02:06:15,060
include water level control,

3294
02:06:15,060 --> 02:06:16,060
pumping and cleaning up the

3295
02:06:16,060 --> 02:06:17,060
basins, painting, and safe

3296
02:06:17,060 --> 02:06:18,060
opening and closing procedures.

3297
02:06:18,060 --> 02:06:19,060
14.6 Octroyer un contrat pour

3298
02:06:19,060 --> 02:06:20,060
des travaux d'essouchement, à

3299
02:06:20,060 --> 02:06:22,060
Élagage Prestige Inc., pour un

3300
02:06:22,060 --> 02:06:27,060
montant total de 316232,99$,

3301
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:31,060
taxesincluses. le contrat fait

3302
02:06:31,060 --> 02:06:32,060
suite aux travaux d'abattage

3303
02:06:32,060 --> 02:06:35,060
d'arbres, des frênes et d'autres

3304
02:06:35,060 --> 02:06:36,060
essence d'arbres. Ces travaux

3305
02:06:36,060 --> 02:06:37,060
soient effectués afin de

3306
02:06:37,060 --> 02:06:38,060
préparer le terrain pour la

3307
02:06:38,060 --> 02:06:39,060
plantation

3308
02:06:39,060 --> 02:06:42,060
>> Des arbres à venir. For 14.1

3309
02:06:42,060 --> 02:06:46,060
to 14.6, do I have a mover? I

3310
02:06:46,060 --> 02:06:49,060
move the contracts of 14.1 to

3311
02:06:49,060 --> 02:06:50,060
14.6, radicchio in district

3312
02:06:50,060 --> 02:06:52,060
eight. Seconder?

3313
02:06:52,060 --> 02:06:55,060
>> Seconded by Tremblay and

3314
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:58,060
District six. All in favour?

3315
02:06:58,060 --> 02:07:03,020
>> Thank you. 15.1 -- Awarded

3316
02:07:04,020 --> 02:07:07,020
contract for masonry repair

3317
02:07:07,020 --> 02:07:08,020
works for the cedar heights and

3318
02:07:08,020 --> 02:07:11,020
park chalets for a total amount

3319
02:07:11,020 --> 02:07:15,020
of -- taxes included. 15.2

3320
02:07:15,020 --> 02:07:16,020
Appouver une modification au

3321
02:07:16,020 --> 02:07:17,020
contrat intervenu avec G.

3322
02:07:17,020 --> 02:07:21,020
Giuliani Inc.,

3323
02:07:22,020 --> 02:07:23,020
pour des travaux de modification

3324
02:07:23,020 --> 02:07:24,020
à l'accès de la cour des Travaux

3325
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:25,020
Publics, pour un montant de

3326
02:07:25,020 --> 02:07:30,020
20986,66 $, taxes incluses. les

3327
02:07:34,020 --> 02:07:35,020
modifications visent notamment

3328
02:07:35,020 --> 02:07:37,020
la modification de la position

3329
02:07:37,020 --> 02:07:39,020
et des dimensions de la dalle,

3330
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:41,020
de la barrière coulissantes et

3331
02:07:41,020 --> 02:07:42,020
Delisle en béton pour la guérite

3332
02:07:42,020 --> 02:07:44,020
proposée. La disposition des

3333
02:07:44,020 --> 02:07:46,020
sols contaminés et le

3334
02:07:46,020 --> 02:07:47,020
remplacement de l'Inter, comme

3335
02:07:47,020 --> 02:07:48,020
entre autres.

3336
02:07:48,020 --> 02:07:50,020
>> For 15.1 and 15.2, do I have

3337
02:07:50,020 --> 02:07:51,020
a mover? Eric Stork, district

3338
02:07:51,020 --> 02:07:54,020
seven. And seconder? All in

3339
02:07:54,020 --> 02:07:57,020
favour?

3340
02:07:57,020 --> 02:08:00,080
>> Thank you. 16.1, two weeks of

3341
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:02,080
the renewal option provided for

3342
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:03,080
the contract entered with Groupe

3343
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:06,080
Abs Inc. for the year 2023 in

3344
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:11,080
the amount of 532,000 --

3345
02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:15,080
$532,381.14 taxes included for

3346
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:16,080
professional services for geo

3347
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:18,080
technical studies, environmental

3348
02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:19,080
characterization and quality

3349
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:21,080
control of materials, for the

3350
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:22,080
rehabilitation of municipal

3351
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:23,080
infrastructures in certain

3352
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:24,080
avenues of the city of

3353
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:26,080
Pointe-Claire in 2023. This

3354
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:29,080
includes the approval of data

3355
02:08:29,080 --> 02:08:30,080
she's provided as well as onsite

3356
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:33,080
testing during construction,

3357
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:35,080
drilling and analysis to prepare

3358
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:36,080
geo technical and environmental

3359
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:37,080
reports to assist with the

3360
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:38,080
design a future projects on the

3361
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:40,080
supply of expertise and the

3362
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:41,080
analysis and handling of

3363
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:43,080
contaminated soils as required.

3364
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:45,080
This will allow for bimonthly

3365
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:46,080
testing of stockpiles and the

3366
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:49,080
public works yard and the supply

3367
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:50,080
of environmental reports to

3368
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:51,080
ensure the materials are stored

3369
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:52,080
and processed in a proper

3370
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:54,080
manner. 16.2 Octroyer un contrat

3371
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:55,080
pour l'aménagement d'un nouveau

3372
02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:56,080
parc dans le secteur Walton, à

3373
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:57,080
P.N.G. Projets D'Aménagements

3374
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:58,080
Inc., pour un montant total de

3375
02:08:58,080 --> 02:09:03,040
308488,27 $, taxes incluses. le

3376
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:07,040
projet comprend la prolongation

3377
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,040
du sentier existant vers

3378
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,040
l'avenue Babel, les clôtures

3379
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,040
pour délimiter le parc,

3380
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,040
l'{city_council} organisation et

3381
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:16,040
la plantation de végétaux.

3382
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:18,040
>> 16.3, award of contract for

3383
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:19,040
letting works in the clear point

3384
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:24,040
sports field. Two -- taxes

3385
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:29,040
included. The electrical works

3386
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:32,040
in this project consist of the

3387
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:33,040
complete insulation of a solar

3388
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,040
lighting system in the

3389
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:36,040
pedestrian pathway and the

3390
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:38,040
modification of the tennis court

3391
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:41,040
a system in core Point Park.

3392
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:42,040
>> For 16.1 to 16.3, do I have a

3393
02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:44,040
mover?

3394
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:45,040
>> District for.

3395
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:48,040
>> Seconder?

3396
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:49,040
>> Cynthia home in district

3397
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:50,040
five.

3398
02:09:50,040 --> 02:09:52,040
>> All in favour?

3399
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:54,040
>> Thank you. Les personnes

3400
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:55,040
présentes peuvent s'adresser au

3401
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:56,040
conseil concernant les sujets

3402
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:57,040
ci-dessous pour les items 17.1

3403
02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:00,000
et 17.2: 17.1 Considérer une

3404
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,000
demande de dérogation mineure

3405
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:03,000
concernant la propriété sise au

3406
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:08,000
45, avenue Belton. Il s'agit

3407
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:13,000
d'une marche avant de 3,5 mètres

3408
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:14,000
plutôt que le minimum requis de

3409
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:18,000
4 mètres.

3410
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:20,000
>> 17.2, considering a minor

3411
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:21,000
exemption request considering

3412
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:24,000
the property, it is a secondary

3413
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:25,000
front set back a 5.60 metres

3414
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:26,000
buffer from the required minimum

3415
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:28,000
of 7.5 metres. 17.3 Considérer

3416
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:30,000
les plans d'implantation et

3417
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:32,000
d'intégration architecturale

3418
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:35,000
relatifs à la propriété sise au

3419
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:39,000
45, avenue Belton. il s'agit

3420
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:42,000
d'un agrandissement et des

3421
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:43,000
modifications au plan déjà

3422
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:44,000
approuvé.

3423
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:46,000
>> 17.4, considered the site

3424
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:47,000
planning an architectural

3425
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:48,000
integration program plans with

3426
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:50,000
respect to the property situated

3427
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:51,000
at 14 bowling green Avenue, it

3428
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:52,000
is a extension and renovation.

3429
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:53,000
17.5 Considérer les plans

3430
02:10:53,000 --> 02:10:55,000
d'implantation et d'intégration

3431
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:56,000
architecturale relatifs à la

3432
02:10:56,000 --> 02:11:00,060
propriété sise au 130, avenue de

3433
02:11:00,060 --> 02:11:01,060
Breslay. il s'{city_council}

3434
02:11:01,060 --> 02:11:04,060
agit d'un agrandissement.

3435
02:11:04,060 --> 02:11:05,060
>> 17.6, considered the site

3436
02:11:05,060 --> 02:11:07,060
planning an architectural

3437
02:11:07,060 --> 02:11:08,060
integration program plans with

3438
02:11:08,060 --> 02:11:10,060
respect of the property located

3439
02:11:10,060 --> 02:11:11,060
at 90 Donegani avenue. It is

3440
02:11:11,060 --> 02:11:14,060
four exterior renovations. 17.6

3441
02:11:14,060 --> 02:11:15,060
Considérer les plans

3442
02:11:15,060 --> 02:11:16,060
d'implantation et d'intégration

3443
02:11:16,060 --> 02:11:17,060
architecturale relatifs à la

3444
02:11:17,060 --> 02:11:20,060
propriété sise au 90, avenue

3445
02:11:20,060 --> 02:11:23,060
Donegani. il s'agit d'une

3446
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:24,060
rénovation extérieurs...

3447
02:11:24,060 --> 02:11:26,060
(inaudible)

3448
02:11:26,060 --> 02:11:30,060
- Je me suis trompé!. Nous

3449
02:11:30,060 --> 02:11:32,060
sommes à 17. Accepte, j'ai

3450
02:11:32,060 --> 02:11:33,060
répété en français ce que ma

3451
02:11:33,060 --> 02:11:34,060
collègue venait de dire: 17.7

3452
02:11:34,060 --> 02:11:35,060
Considérer les plans

3453
02:11:35,060 --> 02:11:36,060
d'implantation et d'intégration

3454
02:11:36,060 --> 02:11:37,060
architecturale relatifs à la

3455
02:11:37,060 --> 02:11:40,060
propriété sise au 42, avenue

3456
02:11:40,060 --> 02:11:41,060
Drayton. une nouvelle

3457
02:11:41,060 --> 02:11:43,060
construction.

3458
02:11:43,060 --> 02:11:45,060
>> For 17.1 to 17.7, do I have a

3459
02:11:45,060 --> 02:11:48,060
mover?

3460
02:11:48,060 --> 02:11:50,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3461
02:11:50,060 --> 02:11:51,060
>> Seconder?

3462
02:11:51,060 --> 02:11:52,060
>> Kelly -- district three.

3463
02:11:52,060 --> 02:11:55,060
>> All in favour?

3464
02:11:55,060 --> 02:11:58,060
>> May I speak in regards to

3465
02:11:58,060 --> 02:12:02,020
17.1 through 17.7, I am in

3466
02:12:02,020 --> 02:12:05,020
favour of 17.1 through 17.6,

3467
02:12:05,020 --> 02:12:08,020
however I vote against 17.7 and

3468
02:12:08,020 --> 02:12:10,020
I would like just a couple

3469
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:11,020
moments to be able to explain

3470
02:12:11,020 --> 02:12:13,020
the reason behind my vote. As I

3471
02:12:13,020 --> 02:12:16,020
explained my colleagues in

3472
02:12:16,020 --> 02:12:18,020
caucus earlier this evening, I

3473
02:12:18,020 --> 02:12:20,020
am terribly conflicted with

3474
02:12:20,020 --> 02:12:21,020
these kinds of decisions that I

3475
02:12:21,020 --> 02:12:23,020
have to make relative to

3476
02:12:23,020 --> 02:12:27,020
projects of the sort. We are in

3477
02:12:27,020 --> 02:12:28,020
a phase where we need to be

3478
02:12:28,020 --> 02:12:29,020
thinking about redevelopment

3479
02:12:29,020 --> 02:12:32,020
throughout the city. There are

3480
02:12:32,020 --> 02:12:34,020
houses in areas that need to

3481
02:12:34,020 --> 02:12:35,020
some degree to be updated and

3482
02:12:35,020 --> 02:12:37,020
redeveloped, et cetera. I am

3483
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:38,020
fully aware of that. On the

3484
02:12:38,020 --> 02:12:40,020
other hand, as has been

3485
02:12:40,020 --> 02:12:41,020
mentioned on a number of

3486
02:12:41,020 --> 02:12:42,020
locations here tonight,

3487
02:12:42,020 --> 02:12:44,020
particularly in speaking about

3488
02:12:44,020 --> 02:12:46,020
the chair for the generations is

3489
02:12:46,020 --> 02:12:48,020
the issue of climate change and

3490
02:12:48,020 --> 02:12:49,020
the word climate emergency,

3491
02:12:49,020 --> 02:12:50,020
which has come up a number of

3492
02:12:50,020 --> 02:12:52,020
times. The one thing that I need

3493
02:12:52,020 --> 02:12:55,020
to underline is the word

3494
02:12:55,020 --> 02:12:56,020
emergency. When we have an

3495
02:12:56,020 --> 02:12:57,020
emergency we need to act

3496
02:12:57,020 --> 02:13:02,080
quickly. And so while I am

3497
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:03,080
completely sympathetic to the

3498
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:04,080
projects people have in terms of

3499
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:05,080
redeveloping their homes,

3500
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:08,080
building new homes, et cetera, I

3501
02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:09,080
also have to give some

3502
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:10,080
consideration to what is going

3503
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:11,080
to be going on, what is going on

3504
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:12,080
today, and what will be going on

3505
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:15,080
in the future. Relative to

3506
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:18,080
chapter three, article four,

3507
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:20,080
where when you are working on a

3508
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:21,080
project such as those who can

3509
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:22,080
refer to the article on your

3510
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:24,080
own, you have to make every

3511
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:26,080
attempt to save as many mature

3512
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:28,080
trees as we possibly can on the

3513
02:13:28,080 --> 02:13:29,080
area that you are developing,

3514
02:13:29,080 --> 02:13:31,080
and building on. In this case,

3515
02:13:31,080 --> 02:13:32,080
we are going to lose six trees.

3516
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:34,080
Three of which are European bug

3517
02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:38,080
thorns, but the other three that

3518
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:41,080
are there are mature trees. Now,

3519
02:13:41,080 --> 02:13:42,080
understanding that the

3520
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:43,080
committees we have that are

3521
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:44,080
working on these things, we are

3522
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:45,080
working very hard to preserve

3523
02:13:45,080 --> 02:13:46,080
the trees that are present.

3524
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:48,080
However, I think what is

3525
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:53,080
lacking, perhaps from our

3526
02:13:53,080 --> 02:13:54,080
perspective after studying some

3527
02:13:54,080 --> 02:13:58,080
of the information that I was

3528
02:13:58,080 --> 02:14:01,040
taking in from a particular

3529
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:04,040
research at the University of

3530
02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:06,040
Québec in Montréal, the

3531
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:08,040
importance of conserving and

3532
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,040
preserving, and helping grow the

3533
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:12,040
large trees that we have in the

3534
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:14,040
city is paramount. And we have

3535
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:15,040
to be able to save these trees,

3536
02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:16,040
take good care of them, and make

3537
02:14:16,040 --> 02:14:19,040
sure that we have a lot of them.

3538
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:20,040
Very laudable to be able to

3539
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:22,040
plant trees, I am happy that we

3540
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:23,040
are planting five. It will only

3541
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:25,040
take another 50 years until they

3542
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:26,040
are capable of doing with the

3543
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:30,040
larger trees are doing today.

3544
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:32,040
Combined with the number of

3545
02:14:32,040 --> 02:14:33,040
projects that are coming out

3546
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:35,040
this way, the number of

3547
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:36,040
demolition projects that I have

3548
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:38,040
been privy to, and the

3549
02:14:38,040 --> 02:14:39,040
information that I have seen

3550
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:40,040
vis-à-vis the number of trees

3551
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:41,040
that are coming down, given that

3552
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:42,040
we do not necessarily have a

3553
02:14:42,040 --> 02:14:46,040
very diverse inventory of trees

3554
02:14:46,040 --> 02:14:48,040
and the city that has dominated

3555
02:14:48,040 --> 02:14:49,040
mainly by asked trees, as you

3556
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:50,040
can see they are being cut as

3557
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:52,040
well, and Norwegian maples. Our

3558
02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:55,040
tree canopy is suffering. If you

3559
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:57,040
look at what is happening in the

3560
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:58,040
area where the house is going

3561
02:14:58,040 --> 02:14:59,040
up, there have been a number of

3562
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:01,000
trees that have come down. Very

3563
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:03,000
large trees, important trees for

3564
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:07,000
the company. When you take one

3565
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:08,000
of these down, there is a hole

3566
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:10,000
in the system. Again, I am

3567
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voting no in this case, not

3568
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necessarily against what these

3569
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:16,000
folks are trying to do, in terms

3570
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:18,000
of building a home, but I would

3571
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:19,000
like to really put some emphasis

3572
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on our need to develop a

3573
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:23,000
strategy around the canopy that

3574
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we have in the city of

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Pointe-Claire, where the accent

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is on taking care of the larger

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02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:28,000
trees that we have in place

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today. Thank you.

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02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:33,000
>> I would like to say that I

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02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:34,000
concur with Councillor Tremblay

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on his comment.

3582
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:38,000
>> Let me just note that,

3583
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please.

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>> Duly noted.

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>> Okay.

3586
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:50,000
>> Closure?

3587
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:54,000
>> Do I have a mover?

3588
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:55,000
>> Yes, I proposed to close the

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meeting.

3590
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:59,000
>> Seconder?

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02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:00,060
>> All in favour?