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Chères citoyennes et chers

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citoyens bonsoir et bienvenue à

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cette séance ordinaire du 2 mai.

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>> Their citizens, good evening.

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Welcome to the May 2nd council

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meeting. Just before getting

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started, just to alert you to

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the fact that 14.3 has been

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pulled off the agenda. For more

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discussion, we are probably

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going to have a subsequent

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special meeting on the subject.

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It is a Hughes X huge

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expenditure and although Council

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is usually in support of public

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works, we do want to respect the

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fiscal needs of the citizenry as

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well, so we are trying to juggle

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the two. So, it's impending. It

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is an upcoming issue. I would

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like to start as Décès de M.

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John Jenner well with the --.

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Nous avons appris cette semaine

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le décès de Monsieur John Jenner

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survenu le 30 mars dernier.

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Monsieur Jenner était un employé

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de la Ville jusqu'au moment de

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sa retraire en mars 2015, il

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avait 23 ans de service. C'était

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un employé des travaux publics,

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préposé à l'entretien des parcs.

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Nous tenons à offrir nos plus

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sincères condoléances à sa

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famille et amis.

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We need another chair? Do we

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have another? No worries.

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Out of respect, I will return to

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it. Once we get this resolved,

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>> You good, Cynthia? Okay,

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good. That is true. It got moved

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at the last minute. Nous avons

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appris cette semaine le décès de

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Monsieur John Jenner survenu le

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30 mars dernier. Monsieur Jenner

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était un employé de la Ville

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jusqu'au moment de sa retraire

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en mars 2015, il avait 23 ans de

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service. C'était un employé des

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travaux publics, préposé à

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l'entretien des parcs. Nous

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tenons à offrir nos plus

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sincères condoléances à sa

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famille et amis.

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Le mois de mai est, dans tout le

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Canada, désigné comme « Mois du

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patrimoine juif canadien », en

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le désignant ainsi, le Parlement

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du Canada reconnaît l'apport

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substantiel des Canadiens juifs

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au patrimoine social,

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économique, politique et

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culturel du pays, Les membres du

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conseil et moi-même, saluons la

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communauté juive de

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Pointe-Claire, et nous leur

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souhaitons un excellent mois de

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mai.

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J'aimerais débuter cette soirée

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ne remerciant sincèrement nos

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équipes des travaux publics,

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pour le travail colossal qu'ils

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accomplissent tous les jours,

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depuis presque un mois

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maintenant. Je comprends

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l'impatience que certaines

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personnes expriment

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publiquement, mais il faut

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comprendre qu'en période

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normale, faire le tour de la

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ville pour ramasser les branches

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prend presque un mois, ce n'est

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pas une période normale, le

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verglas a endommagé notre

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importante canopée, malgré ce

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j'entends, ce n'est pas mieux

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ailleurs, nous avons mobilisé le

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maximum de personne et nous

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tentons de faire le ramassage le

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plus rapidement possible. Nous

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allons communiquer plus souvent

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des informations sur

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l'avancement des travaux, à ce

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jour, un peu plus de 50% du

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territoire a été visité par nos

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Il y a de multiples activités

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pour les citoyens en mai je vous

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les donne en ordre

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chronologique, mais vous pourrez

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suivre tous ces événements sur

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les médias sociaux et sur le

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Site Internet de la Ville. Les

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citoyennes et citoyens de

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Pointe-Claire sont invités à

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participer à un deuxième atelier

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pour la révision du plan

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d'urbanise le 17 mai prochain en

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soirée, cette fois c'est au

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pavillon Baie-de Valois et les

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inscriptions sont commencées

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depuis hier, vous pouvez

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réservez en ligne sur le site

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internet, pour participer il est

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important de réserver votre

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Le samedi 20 mai, le nouveau

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poste de police PDQ 5 ouvrira

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ses portes au public, pour

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l'occasion il y aura des

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activités extérieures et vous

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pourrez visiter les

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installations intérieures, les

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familles seront invitées à

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participer, les équipes du poste

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de police préparent les

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activités de cette journée et

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des informations suivront

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prochainement.

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Deux grands rendez-vous

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clôtureront le mois de mai. Le

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samedi 27 il y aura la

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traditionnelle journée des

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travaux publics, cette activité

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toujours très populaire est

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ouverte à tous et il y aura des

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activités pour les enfants, nos

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équipes s'affairent à terminer

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la programmation de la journée

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et c'est toujours un grand

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plaisir pour moi d'y participer

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et de rencontrer les familles.

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déroule dimanche le 28 mai c'est

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le rendez-vous culturel au

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Stewart Hall, il y aura des

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activités toute la journée, à

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l'intérieur et dans le parc

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Stewart. Il y a des expositions

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temporaires et permanentes, des

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ateliers pour tous et plusieurs

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activés pour les enfants.

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souhaiter la bienvenue à Claude

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Cousineau qui a été assermenté

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vendredi dernier. Bienvenu

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séance ordinaire du conseil de

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la Ville de Pointe-Claire, à

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être tenue à l'hôtel de ville,

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451, boulevard Saint-Jean,

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. Je souhaite vous donner les

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principaux éléments du budget.

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constater que la gestion

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rigoureuse des fonds publics

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donne d'excellents résultats. On

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l'exercice financier 2022 se

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termine avec un surplus de

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25000... 25 millions. Les

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revenus additionnels proviennent

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industriel pour l'établissement

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, avantageux. De l'arrivée

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prochaine de deux stations

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provenant principalement des

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droits de mutations. Des revenus

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de taxation, ainsi que des

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notamment pour le développement

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des collections de la

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bibliothèque, de la gestion des

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matières résiduelles, grâce aux

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bonnes pratiques des citoyens et

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prioriser les qualités et

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services au bénéfice de

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l'ensemble de notre communauté,

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ainsi que l'application et

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l'efficience dans les opérations

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quotidiennes. La diminution de

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planifié et une gestion

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responsable des ressources a

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permis de réaliser des économies

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au niveau des charges et des

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attractions, affectation, de 10

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millions. La majorité du surplus

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sera affecté au financement et

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au remboursement de la dette à

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long terme. Une portion sera

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continuer la mise à niveau

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subventions offertes aux

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, dans les opérations régulière,

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plusieurs projets ont été

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d'infrastructures pour plusieurs

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rues. Le barrage de plusieurs

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sections de rue ainsi que la

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trottoirs. L'aménagement d'une

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piste additionnelle de ski.

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de Beaconsfield. Des travaux

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d'aménagement et de sentiers

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ainsi que des travaux de

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verdissement. Day travaux

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d'amélioration dans plusieurs

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parcs. Différents travaux de

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ville ainsi que notre territoire

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des Finances, monsieur Daniel

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rigoureuse du jus de budget.

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Cousineau qui a été assermenté

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>> I had a whole bunch of

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additional French parts put in.

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I should've practice beforehand.

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Je m'excuse, j'ai fait quelques

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erreurs. The death of John

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Jenner. This week, we learned of

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the death of Mr. John Jenner on

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March 30th. Mr. Jenner was an

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employee of the city until his

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retirement in March, 2015. After

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23 years of service. He was a

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public works employee,

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responsible for parks

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maintenance. We would like to

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offer our deepest condolences to

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his family and friends. The

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month of May is designated as

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Canadian Jewish heritage month.

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By so doing, the Parliament of

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Canada recognizes the important

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contributions the Jewish

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Canadians have made to Canada's

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social, economic, political, and

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cultural fabric. City Council

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and I salute to Jewish community

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of Pointe-Claire and wish them a

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wonderful month of May. I would

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also like to add to this evening

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by sincerely thanking our public

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works crews for the tremendous

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work they are doing every day,

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for nearly a month now, since

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the ice storm. I understand the

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impatience of some residents or

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the impatience that some

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residents have expressed

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publicly. Under normal

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circumstances, branch pick up

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can take up to a month. It's an

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extraordinary situation this

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time. The ice storm extensively

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damaged our tree canopy. Despite

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what I have heard, it's pretty

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much the same everywhere else.

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We have mobilized to the maximum

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and we are working as quickly as

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we can. We will communicate

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information on the progress of

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the work as frequently as

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possible. To date, our teams, I

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believe, have covered well over

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50% of the territory.

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Activities. There are many

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activities for citizens in the

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month of May. I will list some

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incredible article order, but

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you can follow these events on

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social media and on the City's

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website. Pointe-Claire citizens

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are invited to participate in a

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second workshop for the revision

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of the urban plan on the evening

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of May 17th. This time, it's

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being held at the Valois Bay

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pavilion and registration

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started yesterday. Reservations

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can be made online on

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Pointe-Claire's website. To

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participate, it is important to

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reserve your place. Also on

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Saturday, May 20th, the New PD

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cute five police Asian will open

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its doors to the public. For the

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occasion, there will be multiple

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activities. Families are invited

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to participate and all will be

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available to visit the indoor

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facilities. Officers are

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preparing the daily activities

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and information will soon

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follow. Two major events will

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close the month of May. On May

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27th, there will be the

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traditional public works day.

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This is always very popular and

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the activities are for everyone.

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Our teams are working hard to

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complete the programming for

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this day of. As always a great

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pleasure for me to participate

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in need families. On Sunday, May

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28th, another great event is to

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go to the cultural rendezvous at

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Stewart Hall. There will be

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activities all day long inside

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the building and outside at

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Stuart Park. There will be

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temporary and permanent

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exhibitions, workshops for all,

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and many activities for

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children. Budget 2022. Tonight,

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we are tabling to the 2022

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budget and tomorrow, a detailed

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press release will be issued to

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that effect. I would like to

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give you the main information or

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ingredients of this budget. You

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will be able to see them once

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again, the -- manager of public

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funds is producing excellent

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results. The 2022 fiscal year

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ends with a surplus of $25

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million. The additional revenues

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are mainly due to the

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establishment of businesses in

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our industrial park, due to its

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advantageous location and the

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impending arrival of two ram

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stations in our territory. The

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surplus is primarily explained

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by 15 point $2 million coming

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mainly from the transfer duties,

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tax revenue, and interest

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revenue. These additional

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revenues also include grants

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received, particularly for the

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development of library

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collections and waste

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management, thanks to citizens

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good practices geared to source

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reduction and proper sorting of

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materials. In terms of expenses

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during 2022, our teams continue

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to prioritize the quality of

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services for the benefit of our

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community as a whole, as well as

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effectiveness and efficiency and

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every day operations. The

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reduction of some normally

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scheduled activities and

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responsible management of

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resources made it possible to

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save $10 million on costs and

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allocations. The majority of the

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surplus will be allocated to

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refinancing and repayment of the

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long term debt. A portion will

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be used, will also be used, to

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continue upgrading our municipal

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buildings. We will also continue

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our interventions to fight

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against the -- emerald ash borer

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and its consequences for our

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urban canopy, which includes the

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grants offered to the public.

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The 2022 financial report points

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out that to maintain the quality

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of service and regular

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operations, several projects

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will be carried out. Here are

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just a few of them. Road and

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infrastructure work on several

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streets. The paving of several

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streets sections and the repair

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of many sidewalks. The

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development of an additional

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cross country ski trail and a

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hiking trail at the Beaconsfield

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golf course. Trail development

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work and greening work.

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Improvement works in several

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parks. Various repairs to the

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Stewart Hall cultural center. I

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would like to thank the city's

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teams and our director of

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finance, Danielle segway, for

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the rigorous management of the

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budget, or the budgets. Finally

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in closing, as I noted in

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French, we would like to welcome

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Claude casino, who was sworn in

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last Friday. So, welcome,

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Claude, to your first council

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meeting with us this year. We

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have any. Madam Thibault?

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- 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre du

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jour.

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>> Adoption of the agenda with

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changes. Number one, at 10.1 and

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10.3, we should read 2022

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instead of 2023. Nous devrions

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lire

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à 2022 plutôt que 2023.

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And the withdrawal of 14.3. Le

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retrait de 14,3. Do I have a

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mover?

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>> Yes, you do. Bruno Tremblay,

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district six scenery, I propose

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to move the agenda.

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>> And seconder?

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>> Claude Cousineau, district

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one.

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>> All in favour?

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Monsieur Cousineau, levez votre

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main.

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>> 3.1, prove the minutes of the

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regular meeting of -- 2023.

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>> Do I have a mover? Proposé

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par Bruno Tremblay, district.

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Six.

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>> And seconder?

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Claude Kusie, non districts un.

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All in favour?. Claude

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Cousineau.

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- 4. Période de questions,

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>> Question period. Ce soir,

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vous avez été accueilli à

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l'entrée pour vous inscrire à la

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période de questions.

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L'intention de cette démarche

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est d'abord de permettre aux

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personnes de demeurer à six

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jusqu'à l'appel de leurs noms et

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d'accorder la priorité aux

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résidents et résidentes de

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Pointe-Claire. Nous garderons 90

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minutes pour la période de

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questions. Une personne à la

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fois au micro. Nous vous

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remercions d'attendre que le

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citoyen a terminé de poser sa

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question et que vous soyez

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appelé avant pour poser votre

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question. Les non-résidents

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présents pourront poser leurs

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questions par la suite, si le

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temps n'est pas écouler.

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>> For question period tonight,

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during question period, you were

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greeted at the entrance to

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register for the question

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period. This approach, the goal

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of, it is to remain people to

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allow seated before they -- give

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priority to Pointe-Claire

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residents. When we shall stick

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to the 90 minute time limit for

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question period. One person at a

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time at the microphone. Thank

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you for waiting for us is in to

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finish asking their question and

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to be called before you get up

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to ask yours. And three,

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non-residents present will be

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able to ask questions

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afterwards, if there is still

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time.

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- Voulez-vous qu'on appelle les?

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Non

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- J'ai la liste ici.

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- Allez-y.

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- Monsieur Glenn Nolan.

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>> -- person on the list. We

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have three more people on the

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list. They were at the end.

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>> Good evening. My name is

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Glenn Holland. Here to talk

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about the or ask questions about

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the Northview Improvement Plan.

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It seems to be a subject of

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great interest to our immediate

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community, of which there is a

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fair presence here tonight. If

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anybody from north of you, put

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up their hands. This is why we

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are here, to talk about this.

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So, we became aware of the

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Northview plans on March 17th.

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Subsequently on April 4th,

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council meeting, there was

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questions posed to the council.

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I understand there is a special

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council meeting held after that.

558
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To review the decision of going

559
00:21:23,060 --> 00:21:25,060
forward. In particular, the

560
00:21:25,060 --> 00:21:27,060
outfield fence. We I'm just

561
00:21:27,060 --> 00:21:28,060
wondering if you guys could

562
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:30,060
share the results of that

563
00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:31,060
special council meeting.

564
00:21:31,060 --> 00:21:33,060
>> No conclusive results as of

565
00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:35,060
yet, but we are still actively

566
00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:37,060
involved in the debate.

567
00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:38,060
>> Because there is lots of

568
00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:39,060
neighbourhood gossip that it is

569
00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:40,060
a done deal. I've been

570
00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:42,060
personally in contact with

571
00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:44,060
Jennifer Ward, who says she

572
00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:47,060
advised me, Jennifer Ward, being

573
00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:48,060
the person they contacted at

574
00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:51,060
Pointe-Claire. And she has

575
00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:53,060
advised that the net will not be

576
00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:56,060
going up in the outfield fence.

577
00:21:56,060 --> 00:22:00,020
But I have asked her to provide

578
00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:02,020
feedback about the warning track

579
00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:03,020
that also goes along with that

580
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:05,020
fence, as well as the chain link

581
00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:08,020
fence, and ultimately, what is

582
00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:10,020
the core reason of the outfield

583
00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:13,020
fence? Regardless of the height.

584
00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:16,020
>> Yeah, I can't speak to that

585
00:22:16,020 --> 00:22:17,020
inclusively myself. We are still

586
00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:18,020
debating in Council.

587
00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:20,020
>> Okay, so my question then is,

588
00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:23,020
who makes the final decision? I

589
00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:25,020
understand council approves it.

590
00:22:25,020 --> 00:22:26,020
Whatever decision may be, but

591
00:22:26,020 --> 00:22:28,020
who actually sits down and says,

592
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:29,020
yes, this should be going

593
00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:31,020
forward, the fence?

594
00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:33,020
>> Council does.

595
00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:34,020
>> Okay, so they don't get

596
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:36,020
involved with fans, no fans,

597
00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:37,020
partial fence?

598
00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:38,020
>> Council gets involved in

599
00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:40,020
everything. Council decides.

600
00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:41,020
>> Okay, but who proposes the

601
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:42,020
solution?

602
00:22:42,020 --> 00:22:45,020
>> Different members of Council.

603
00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:46,020
We decide ourselves.

604
00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:47,020
>> So, the solution does not

605
00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:49,020
come from Jennifer Ward, who's

606
00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:50,020
been very, very helpful?

607
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:52,020
>> Well, staff advises us, for

608
00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:54,020
sure. Staff has the expertise,

609
00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:55,020
staff is prevalent in the

610
00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:56,020
discussion, for sure.

611
00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:58,020
>> Okay, so when do we expect,

612
00:22:58,020 --> 00:22:59,020
what do you expect to have a

613
00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:01,080
final, final, final?

614
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,080
>> That's a good question. I

615
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,080
would think within a week, maybe

616
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,080
a week or two, I would imagine.

617
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,080
>> As I said, all sorts of

618
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,080
rumours flying around in the

619
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,080
neighbourhood. That's why I'm

620
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,080
here tonight.

621
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,080
>> Well, we are still talking

622
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,080
about it.

623
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,080
>> So, you're still talking

624
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,080
about it?

625
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,080
>> Yes.

626
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,080
>> Okay, second question, then.

627
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,080
In the original CIP of 2021, the

628
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,080
baseball improvement project was

629
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,080
estimated at 600,000. September

630
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,080
2022, it was reestimate it in

631
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,080
the latest CIP at 750,000. It's

632
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,080
coming in at 900,000. Any

633
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,080
comments?

634
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,080
>> Seems to be happening all

635
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,080
over the place. It's quite

636
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,080
shocking for us how much things

637
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,080
are going up rapidly, all the

638
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,080
time. An original estimates are

639
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,080
jumping by huge amounts, and

640
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,080
it's not fun for us either, let

641
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,080
me tell you. So, my comments are

642
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,080
that we are as shocked by it as

643
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,080
you are.

644
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,080
>> Okay, do we have a start date

645
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,080
on the construction for the

646
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,080
park?

647
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,040
>> Not that I know of. Madam --

648
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,040
do we have a start date? We

649
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,040
don't have a decision at least.

650
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,040
>> Okay, so it's still open

651
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040
subject, then?

652
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,040
>> Yes.

653
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,040
>> Okay, do we know, like,

654
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040
details such as what's the

655
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,040
intended age, what are the age

656
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
groups going to be using? We've

657
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040
heard bantam. I'm just looking

658
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,040
for confirmation of that.

659
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,040
>> I have heard bantam, but it

660
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,040
could be wrong. I'm not an

661
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,040
expert on this, okay? Go ahead,

662
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,040
Kelly or Eric. Go ahead, Eric.

663
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,040
>> I thank you from the sports

664
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,040
department that it would be the

665
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,040
same play, it would be Bantam

666
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,040
and pet play.

667
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,040
>> Bantam and PD.

668
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,040
>> Which is currently there.

669
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,040
There is no plan for softball or

670
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,040
anything of that nature, so it

671
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,040
would be exactly the same play

672
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,040
that existed in the last.

673
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,040
>> Again, feedback -- thank you.

674
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,040
>> Would you like to add to

675
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,040
that?

676
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,040
>> Yes, just bantam or midget,

677
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,040
which is younger?

678
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,000
>> Peewee is younger than Mitch.

679
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000
>> Bantam is the older one.

680
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,000
>> Midget is 16-year-olds,

681
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000
right?

682
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000
>> Currently the SPVM bantam

683
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,000
there.

684
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,000
>> Bantam is the older.

685
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000
>> I have three sons, I'm

686
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000
getting confused.

687
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
>> So, along that line, one of

688
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
the, again, neighbourhood

689
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,000
gossip, is that it's because of

690
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,000
safety reasons we need the

691
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
outfield fence. And we must

692
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000
conform with the latest Ministry

693
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000
of -- regulations. Just to point

694
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,000
out, for bantam level regulatory

695
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,000
field, the outfield fence should

696
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,000
be 300 feet away. It is not. In

697
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
the plans, it's not at 300 feet.

698
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000
So, immediately out of the

699
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
starting gate, it can be a

700
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000
regulatory field. I would like

701
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,000
you to verify that.

702
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
>> I will. I will have to

703
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000
research and verify.

704
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,000
>> Which brings up the whole

705
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000
subject, the whole point of the

706
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000
field to begin with.

707
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,000
>> We have Fenway park as a huge

708
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,000
example of exemptions being

709
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,060
made, you know?

710
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,060
>> And I could go on and on, but

711
00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:06,060
since you guys are still

712
00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:07,060
discussing it, is there some way

713
00:26:07,060 --> 00:26:10,060
the public can be informed and

714
00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:11,060
provide input? We've done a lot

715
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:14,060
of research on this, you saw all

716
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:15,060
the hands. Everybody has done

717
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:16,060
independent research. One of my

718
00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:19,060
neighbours, Dan, he did a

719
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:20,060
beautiful diagram. It's on

720
00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:21,060
Facebook, Eric, your explanation

721
00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:22,060
of why you are supporting the

722
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:24,060
fence is on Facebook. Great

723
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:25,060
explanation, thank you very much

724
00:26:25,060 --> 00:26:29,060
for your support. Support --

725
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:31,060
>> I was going to say, --

726
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:32,060
>> Support not having the fence,

727
00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:34,060
my bad. So, it's an ongoing

728
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:38,060
discussion. So, how do we get

729
00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:39,060
involved with those discussion

730
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:40,060
points?

731
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:41,060
>> Keep doing what you are

732
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:44,060
doing. It's called citizen

733
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:45,060
activism and you do what you are

734
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:47,060
doing. You know, that's how you

735
00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:49,060
get involved. You can write, you

736
00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:51,060
can email, you can do it,

737
00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:53,060
unfortunately, to our

738
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:54,060
bombardment, that's what we are

739
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:57,060
here for and continue to be

740
00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:58,060
active.

741
00:26:58,060 --> 00:26:59,060
>> So, if and when a decision is

742
00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:01,020
reached by the council,

743
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:02,020
vis-à-vis the Northview

744
00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:05,020
improvement, how will the

745
00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:06,020
information be released?

746
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:08,020
>> Good question. Probably by,

747
00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:09,020
how would the information be

748
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:11,020
released? Madam -- how would we

749
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:16,020
release that information?

750
00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:19,020
[Inaudible]

751
00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:26,020
>> Does this work? Yes, okay.

752
00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:28,020
So, we can -- citizen

753
00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:31,020
communication, if you want.

754
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:32,020
Maybe for the neighbourhood, you

755
00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:34,020
know? Around the north of you

756
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:35,020
park.

757
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:37,020
>> Or City website, I would,

758
00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:39,020
think would be a good, you know,

759
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:41,020
or email. I would think. I'm

760
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:42,020
just throwing it out there, but

761
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:43,020
I'm pretty sure it's --

762
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:45,020
>> Right now, the feeling in the

763
00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:47,020
neighbourhood is it is a done

764
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:49,020
deal and we, again, have heard

765
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:51,020
all sorts of rumours, but

766
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:52,020
hearing tonight, that's why I

767
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:53,020
came here tonight. You're saying

768
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:55,020
it's still an open subject,

769
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:56,020
still under discussion, with no

770
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:58,020
timetable? You said maybe within

771
00:27:58,020 --> 00:27:59,020
a week.

772
00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:01,080
>> Timetable is soon.

773
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,080
>> We can maybe have, you know,

774
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,080
a port parole from the citizen

775
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,080
that we can talk with, is that

776
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,080
good?

777
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,080
>> Go ahead, Eric.

778
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,080
>> The initial plan, as I

779
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,080
mentioned to some of you, there

780
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,080
emails were sent in and I think

781
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,080
there was the reply email to, I

782
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,080
think, I'm pretty sure we were

783
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,080
trying to say everybody.

784
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,080
Somebody will be forgotten, but

785
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,080
obviously, I know the lead

786
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,080
people on this. So, my

787
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,080
suggestion would be, I could

788
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,080
work with the Mayor and Madame

789
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,080
Verdun in terms of, you know,

790
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,080
the primary people so they can

791
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,080
get it at the same time.

792
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080
>> When a decision is reached,

793
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,080
could we have a copy of who

794
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,080
voted for what?

795
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,080
>> It would be none. Not caucus.

796
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,080
>> There is no vote, official

797
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,080
vote in caucus meetings.

798
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,080
>> But there will be at the

799
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,080
council meeting, right? At a

800
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Public council meeting?

801
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,080
>> There will be a council

802
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,080
meeting and there's eight plus

803
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,080
one. Yeah, but we will have a

804
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,080
record of voted for the fence,

805
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,080
voted for no offence?

806
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,080
>> No.

807
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,040
>> Why won't we have a record?

808
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,040
>> Hang on, I will clarify. This

809
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,040
already went through the caucus

810
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,040
vote, so what we are looking to

811
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,040
do is not a change order, which

812
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,040
would take the existing contract

813
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,040
and make modifications to it.

814
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,040
So, there would be a discussion

815
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,040
and a vote in caucus, but

816
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,040
historically, those votes are

817
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040
not made public. Because it's in

818
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,040
caucus. If it was public, out

819
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,040
here, again, then it would be a

820
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,040
public vote. But in caucus,

821
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,040
historically, there's no --

822
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,040
votes.

823
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,040
>> Why can't we change that?

824
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,040
>> --

825
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,040
>> This is an important enough

826
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,040
subject in our neighbourhood. We

827
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,040
want to know why. Eric has

828
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,040
already come out and said, no

829
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,040
fans. He is our representative

830
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,040
Council. He's our expert on this

831
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,040
subject. I would not understand

832
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,040
why fellow council people would

833
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,040
not follow his lead.

834
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,040
>> It's an interesting debate,

835
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,040
Councillor -- brought this up a

836
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,040
year and a half ago. It's

837
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,040
brought up frequently in

838
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,040
municipal politics, the role of

839
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,000
caucus confidentiality and

840
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,000
whether it's worthy or not. Some

841
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000
municipalities don't use caucus

842
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000
confidentiality, some who, most

843
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000
new. It's an ongoing debate. If

844
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000
you want to change it, you can

845
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,000
articulate that perspective.

846
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,000
There are a lot of people out

847
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,000
there that support that, you

848
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
know? So, it's a debate. Caucus

849
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,000
confidentiality is something

850
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,000
that is generally held and

851
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000
respected across the province,

852
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,000
but there are exemptions. And

853
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000
it's less so in parts of

854
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Ontario. So, you know,

855
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000
certainly, you can change it if

856
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
you want to influence political

857
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
discourse and try and change

858
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000
that, absolutely.

859
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,000
>> Thank you.

860
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000
>> It's certainly a possibility.

861
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,000
>> One last, just to mention. In

862
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
the current CIP, there's a line

863
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,000
item and I will read it. 2025

864
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Cedar Heritage Northview --

865
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000
development of cooling zone.

866
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000
What's a cooling zone? Good

867
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
question.

868
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,060
>> I know it. It's not a full

869
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,060
splash pad, but you know when

870
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:05,060
you go to certain parks, it's a

871
00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:06,060
misting zone.

872
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:08,060
>> Okay, so again, to avoid all

873
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:11,060
this plan-ification again, where

874
00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:12,060
do we see the plans? Where

875
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:14,060
would, in the context of

876
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:16,060
Northview park, where would the

877
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:18,060
cooling zone or missing zone be

878
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:19,060
located?

879
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:20,060
>> We are very far away from

880
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:22,060
that, that usually, you can ask

881
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:24,060
Eric to see the plan that goes

882
00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:26,060
up in your different area when

883
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:28,060
they get submitted to us, if we

884
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,060
go ahead and approve that

885
00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:31,060
option. It was something that

886
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:32,060
was discussed --

887
00:31:32,060 --> 00:31:33,060
>> North of you is not even at

888
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:35,060
the top of the list. So, there's

889
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:37,060
been no discussion about

890
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:39,060
planning, as to specifics.

891
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:41,060
>> Yeah, I just want to avoid

892
00:31:41,060 --> 00:31:42,060
another situation we are in

893
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:44,060
right now. As I said, we, the

894
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:47,060
public, found out that the plans

895
00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:49,060
and March this year. We came

896
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:51,060
immediately to April 4th. Up

897
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:52,060
until March this year, we didn't

898
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:54,060
have any plans to look at. It

899
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:56,060
has been a line item since 2021

900
00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:58,060
and he has, we have been asking

901
00:31:58,060 --> 00:32:00,020
since 2021 what are the plans?

902
00:32:00,020 --> 00:32:02,020
What is this line item of

903
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:03,020
security improvement at

904
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:05,020
Northview park actually mean?

905
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:06,020
Well, apparently it means

906
00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:07,020
digging up the grass, putting up

907
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:10,020
new drainage, putting in fences.

908
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:12,020
But there was no underlying

909
00:32:12,020 --> 00:32:13,020
detail.

910
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:15,020
>> There was no underlying

911
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:17,020
decision or it has not been

912
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:20,020
resolved by anybody as of yet.

913
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:21,020
That's why it's so underlying.

914
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:22,020
>> It's an ongoing discussion,

915
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:23,020
yeah. Perfect. Thank you for

916
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:24,020
your time.

917
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:29,020
>> Thank you.

918
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:36,020
- Deuxième, Paul Atkinson?

919
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:43,020
>> Good evening. At last month's

920
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:45,020
Council meeting, Councillor

921
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:47,020
Stork commended the proposed --

922
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:49,020
project in Kirkland and -- 47

923
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:51,020
houses are to be built across

924
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:52,020
the street from single family

925
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:54,020
units. His direct quote was,

926
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:55,020
when you developed a project as

927
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:57,020
such, you respect the projects

928
00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:59,020
next to it. Single family units

929
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:01,080
next to single family units. He

930
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,080
called this, again, I quote,

931
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,080
standard urban planning

932
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,080
principles. I agree 100% with

933
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080
what he said. That is what

934
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,080
development should look like.

935
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,080
That is why people in my

936
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,080
neighbourhood are completely

937
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,080
baffled as to why the City

938
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080
allowed -- to install three

939
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,080
storey town houses just eight

940
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,080
metres off the property line of

941
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,080
single family homes on Austin.

942
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,080
The City also allowed -- group

943
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,080
to build a massive six storey

944
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,080
condo building diagonal to

945
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,080
single family homes on Austin.

946
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080
The permits for these buildings

947
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,080
were awarded in 2018 and 2019,

948
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,080
while all President members of

949
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,080
Council, except Councillor

950
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,080
Tremblay, where elected

951
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,080
officials. This means the vast

952
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,080
majority of you played a part in

953
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,080
enabling the development that

954
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,080
didn't at to your own councillor

955
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,080
is calling standard urban

956
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,080
planning principles. As a result

957
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,080
of this, we have massive

958
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,080
imposing buildings from which

959
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,080
you can stare not only into our

960
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,080
yards, but into our windows. My

961
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,040
bedroom included. To put it

962
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,040
lightly, our privacy has been

963
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,040
shattered. Again, the city

964
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,040
failed to adhere to standard

965
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,040
urban planning principles and

966
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,040
now citizens are being forced to

967
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,040
pay the price for that.

968
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,040
Furthermore, last month,

969
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,040
Councillor Cowan posted a

970
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,040
comment on a Facebook group in

971
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,040
which he said the following. I

972
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,040
quote, no one other than the

973
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,040
developer is interested in doing

974
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,040
what is best for the developer.

975
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,040
Government is interested in

976
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,040
doing what's best for its

977
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,040
citizens. Again, the Greenwich

978
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,040
and one west projects completely

979
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,040
contradict what you are saying.

980
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,040
It's blatantly obvious that they

981
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,040
were not executed in our best

982
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040
interests or with our best

983
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,040
interest in mind. The --

984
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,040
collateral damage and that's not

985
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,040
right. Now, last November, I had

986
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,040
a conversation with Councillor

987
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,040
sand Ford and she said it would

988
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040
be challenging to get Council's

989
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,040
vote on a motion to fix the

990
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040
situation for Austin residents,

991
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,040
but I wonder if that is true.

992
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,000
So, during election season,

993
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Councillor stand fourth and

994
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,000
mayor Thomas both said something

995
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,000
should be done to fix the

996
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
situation. Councillor Stork

997
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,000
wants urban planning principles

998
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,000
to adhere to, which, I'm

999
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000
guessing, it means he would be

1000
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
in favour of fixing issues

1001
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000
caused by those principles being

1002
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
ignored. Councillor Cowan says

1003
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,000
that our government is

1004
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,000
interested in doing what's best

1005
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
for our citizens. And a few

1006
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000
years back, Councillor

1007
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Bissonnette had a massive condo

1008
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
building built next to his home.

1009
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,000
I'm certain he understands our

1010
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,000
play. That's five of you. So,

1011
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
why can't we get this done?

1012
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Would restoring our privacy be

1013
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
easy? No. But you have a real

1014
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
chance to help citizens who were

1015
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000
run by the City who, again,

1016
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000
ignored standard urban planning

1017
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
principles. You have a chance to

1018
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
demonstrate that when the city

1019
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000
breaks something, they will fix

1020
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
it. If you don't want to help

1021
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
the citizens on this, it comes

1022
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000
across as just, you know, seeing

1023
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000
saying the right things to

1024
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
citizens and letting developers

1025
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000
do whatever they want,

1026
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000
regardless of consequence. So,

1027
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000
my question tonight is, would

1028
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,060
Council be willing to discuss

1029
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:03,060
the situation in caucus and at

1030
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:05,060
the next meeting, let us know

1031
00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:06,060
explicitly why each councillor

1032
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:09,060
is in favour or not in favour of

1033
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:10,060
restoring privacy for the

1034
00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:11,060
citizens of Austin? Again,

1035
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:12,060
privacy that was lost because

1036
00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:14,060
the City failed to adhere to

1037
00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:15,060
standard urban planning

1038
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:19,060
practices but.

1039
00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:21,060
>> I will get there. You put me

1040
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:25,060
in a very interesting position,

1041
00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:27,060
Mister Atkinson, because as you

1042
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:30,060
know, I'm a huge non fan of that

1043
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:31,060
development for a lot of the

1044
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:35,060
reasons you've detailed. I mean,

1045
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:36,060
just from a personal

1046
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:37,060
perspective, I mean,

1047
00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:39,060
unfortunately, we can't shrink

1048
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:41,060
the building. There are a couple

1049
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:43,060
others that wouldn't mind

1050
00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:45,060
shrinking to. One in the corner

1051
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:46,060
of Cartier and -- I wouldn't

1052
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:47,060
mind shrinking as well. There

1053
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:52,060
are a few, which is close to me.

1054
00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:55,060
I lament a lot of what has

1055
00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:57,060
occurred and it's why I ran. By

1056
00:36:57,060 --> 00:36:58,060
the way, you didn't exclude me

1057
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:00,020
when you were mentioning who is

1058
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:05,020
part of the original process. I

1059
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:10,020
think what -- that Greenwich

1060
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,020
project serves is, it serves as

1061
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:13,020
an example of what not to do

1062
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:14,020
going forward, which is why we

1063
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:16,020
have an RCI in place.

1064
00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:17,020
Unfortunately, you guys are

1065
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:18,020
living the consequences of what

1066
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:21,020
I think we should avoid, which

1067
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,020
is I would like to see better

1068
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:23,020
urban planning. I would like to

1069
00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:24,020
see more prudent urban planning,

1070
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:26,020
and I would like to see

1071
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:27,020
developments that better fit

1072
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:29,020
their environment. And I feel

1073
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:33,020
that one does not. And it is why

1074
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:36,020
Iran, really. And so, I'm in a

1075
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:38,020
tough position here, as far as

1076
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:40,020
responding. I do feel for you, I

1077
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:44,020
feel, I mean, I did have visited

1078
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:45,020
the site a few times and I have

1079
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:47,020
seen the consequences on

1080
00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:49,020
privacy. I lament them. That's

1081
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:51,020
all I can say, really, from my

1082
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:53,020
perspective. Councillor Stork,

1083
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:54,020
you wanted to?

1084
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:55,020
>> Yeah, I just wanted to

1085
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:57,020
clarify the comment. I'm sure I

1086
00:37:57,020 --> 00:37:58,020
know what I said because I stand

1087
00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:01,080
by what I've said. When I say

1088
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,080
single family across the street

1089
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,080
-- as you go further away, there

1090
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,080
is an increase in the height.

1091
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,080
So, standard urban practice

1092
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,080
policies would be next to one

1093
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,080
building, slightly higher,

1094
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,080
slightly higher, and you create

1095
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,080
a platform as you angle. Doesn't

1096
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,080
mean a whole area, in terms of

1097
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,080
densification, must be the same

1098
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,080
height. The urban packed

1099
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,080
policies are that next to a

1100
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,080
single family maybe two storey,

1101
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,080
maybe fourth storey, so you

1102
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,080
create that urban planning arc.

1103
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,080
That's why I think Laci Green

1104
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,080
did, that was simply because

1105
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,080
they said, okay, we will have a

1106
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,080
development, split some single

1107
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,080
family homes. If you look at the

1108
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,080
rest of the project, it does

1109
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,080
incline as we go further away

1110
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,080
from those single family units

1111
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,080
with site lines and such. So, I

1112
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,080
stand behind my comment, but it

1113
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,080
did not mean we must have all

1114
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,080
the time single family units. As

1115
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,080
we get further away from the

1116
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,080
single family units, you create

1117
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,080
a higher intensification or

1118
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,080
higher height as we go towards

1119
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,080
the city centre or ram, anything

1120
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,080
of that nature.

1121
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,040
>> Around 2008, the City sent

1122
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,040
letters to residents on Austin

1123
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,040
saying that if any property

1124
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,040
development was done, back then,

1125
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,040
that would be single family

1126
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,040
houses. Which sounded like

1127
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,040
standard urban development

1128
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,040
practices. These bylaws were

1129
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,040
changed over time when, quite

1130
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040
frankly, people were not paying

1131
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,040
attention and all of a sudden,

1132
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,040
we have the large buildings

1133
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,040
sprouting up right behind our

1134
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,040
houses. Like, eight metres is,

1135
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,040
for me, to the wall. It's not

1136
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,040
standard, what was done. And it

1137
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,040
blows my mind that no one's

1138
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,040
willing to do anything to

1139
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,040
rectify the situation. Like, I

1140
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,040
appreciate that people

1141
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,040
empathize, sympathize, but

1142
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,040
that's not really doing

1143
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,040
anything. Is there any way to

1144
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,040
take action? I know Dave Webb

1145
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,040
said last month the problem is

1146
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,040
people don't provide

1147
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,040
suggestions. Despite providing

1148
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,040
him with list of suggestions

1149
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,040
that he just said no to.

1150
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,040
>> Can you provide us one? Can

1151
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,040
you provide us a list? I would

1152
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,000
love to see it.

1153
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
>> Yeah.

1154
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000
>> By all means.

1155
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
>> Look, like, we suggested

1156
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,000
things before any ground was

1157
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
broken and everything got

1158
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,000
refuse. That's why we stopped.

1159
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
>> Needed an RGI.

1160
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000
>> Look, we weren't, we're not

1161
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
politically savvy. We are just

1162
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000
residents who have gotten

1163
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
screwed over. And we just want

1164
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
the city to make it right. It

1165
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
just seems like there is no

1166
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
willingness to do that.

1167
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000
>> Well, --

1168
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000
>> And it's disheartening.

1169
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,000
>> Well, I would love to see

1170
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,000
what you can come up with. As

1171
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
suggestions, I would be curious

1172
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,000
to look.

1173
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,000
>> Mayor Thomas, part of the

1174
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,000
issue is that we are talking

1175
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000
about private property that does

1176
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000
not belong to us. No, what he's

1177
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
discussing. So, this has been

1178
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
our ongoing issue on the City.

1179
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
>> We are well aware of that. We

1180
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000
are well aware of that,

1181
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Councillor stand fourth. We are

1182
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
talking over and above that

1183
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
consideration. It's already

1184
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,060
occurred and going forward, I

1185
00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:02,060
mean, all developments, most of

1186
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:04,060
them are on private property.

1187
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:06,060
So, we have to deal with this

1188
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:07,060
issue going forward and we can't

1189
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:08,060
just say because private

1190
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:10,060
property, anything can go on.

1191
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:12,060
That's not our job as a city.

1192
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:13,060
Excuse me, Councillor sent,

1193
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:15,060
fourth time responding to the

1194
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:18,060
citizen. And so, going forward,

1195
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:21,060
you are right. We have to, I

1196
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:22,060
think we have to get citizens

1197
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:23,060
more involved which is what we

1198
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:24,060
are currently, doing. So that we

1199
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:26,060
can try and avoid the areas of

1200
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:27,060
the past, and I certainly hope

1201
00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:30,060
we can do so, going forward. And

1202
00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:31,060
with your situation, please give

1203
00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:36,060
us suggestions.

1204
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:39,060
>> She has her hand up.

1205
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:42,060
>> Yes?

1206
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:44,060
>> What I'm saying is there's a

1207
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:45,060
complexity involved because

1208
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:47,060
we're not permitted to go and do

1209
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:48,060
work on private property.

1210
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:50,060
>> Are you talking to Mr.

1211
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:51,060
Atkinson?

1212
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:52,060
>> Well, to both of you because

1213
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:54,060
you just quoted me as saying

1214
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:55,060
that just because it's private

1215
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:56,060
property. As you know, this has

1216
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:58,060
been the complexity in the

1217
00:41:58,060 --> 00:41:59,060
issue. It's not an unwillingness

1218
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:01,020
to move forward on the project.

1219
00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:03,020
It is a complication with the

1220
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:05,020
fact that the property no longer

1221
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:08,020
belongs to the developer and

1222
00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:09,020
it's a private property that

1223
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:10,020
doesn't belong to the city. So,

1224
00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:11,020
as you know, we had to wait for

1225
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:14,020
all the condo developments to

1226
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:17,020
finish being built, put into

1227
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:19,020
place their, condo boards. And

1228
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:20,020
to register their condo boards

1229
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:21,020
so that we have the registry,

1230
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:23,020
and we can then begin

1231
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:24,020
negotiating with the condo

1232
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:27,020
boards. You know how I feel

1233
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:29,020
about this situation. We've

1234
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:30,020
spoken about it numerous times.

1235
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:31,020
You know, me telling you how bad

1236
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:34,020
I feel about it doesn't solve

1237
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:37,020
your problem. But know that it

1238
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:40,020
is an open file at the city and

1239
00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:41,020
it's something that is not an

1240
00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:44,020
unwillingness on our behalf.

1241
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:45,020
We've discussed other options,

1242
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:47,020
such as planting a hedge on your

1243
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:49,020
property to give you more

1244
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:50,020
immediate, and I know the

1245
00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:51,020
reasons, but to give you more

1246
00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:53,020
immediate privacy.

1247
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:54,020
Unfortunately, that's not a

1248
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:56,020
viable option, which I

1249
00:42:56,020 --> 00:42:59,020
understand. We have certain

1250
00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:00,080
restrictions, legal

1251
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,080
restrictions, as well. And as

1252
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,080
much as I would love to just go

1253
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,080
in there and do whatever we

1254
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,080
want, it is private property and

1255
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,080
so, we do have to wait for the

1256
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,080
county boards to all be formed,

1257
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,080
so that we can enter into

1258
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,080
negotiation with them. In order

1259
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,080
to get your privacy screen up.

1260
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,080
And the situation is terrible.

1261
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,080
It really is terrible and I

1262
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,080
reiterated that many times. I'm

1263
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,080
not against you guys, but my

1264
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,080
hands are legally bound until we

1265
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,080
are able to move forward on that

1266
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,080
process. And once we are able to

1267
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,080
discuss with all of them, that's

1268
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,080
when we can move the file

1269
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,080
forward.

1270
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,080
>> Okay, but part of the problem

1271
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,080
is that when, I mean, --

1272
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,080
>> Closer to the mic, Mister

1273
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,080
Atkinson.

1274
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,080
>> Sorry, part of the problem

1275
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,080
with this issue is that we are

1276
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,080
informed by our previous

1277
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,080
councillor, Dave Webb, that they

1278
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,080
were going to leave a row of

1279
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,080
trees to enter our privacy. That

1280
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,080
was false. We were misled on

1281
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,080
that. They basically raised all

1282
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,080
the trees, then we were told

1283
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,080
they are going to put insiders.

1284
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,080
These cedars have, like, they

1285
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,040
are three feet high and Robert

1286
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,040
told us that they're not even

1287
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,040
viable because of the ditches

1288
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,040
there. So, I mean, where does

1289
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,040
that leave us, in terms of

1290
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,040
privacy? It's it feels like the

1291
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,040
city just left the developer

1292
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,040
just, just do what you want and

1293
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,040
these guys will deal with it

1294
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,040
after, these people will be

1295
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,040
forced to live with it, there's

1296
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,040
nothing that can be done. I just

1297
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,040
don't buy that nothing can be

1298
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,040
done.

1299
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,040
>> So, give us a list. To work

1300
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,040
with.

1301
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,040
>> All right.

1302
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,040
>> Thank you, sir. Nikki for

1303
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,040
knit.

1304
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,040
>> Good evening, Mister Mayor,

1305
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,040
councillors, citizens. For those

1306
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,040
of you who do not know me, I was

1307
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,040
one of the main people that

1308
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,040
fought against the development

1309
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,040
of brave yeah in the 575 old

1310
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,000
master parking lot. Now we find

1311
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
ourselves following what this

1312
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
gentleman just said. I'm a bit

1313
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
torn because the minister of

1314
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,000
health and for seniors, Sonia

1315
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Bélanger, in a press conference

1316
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,000
not long ago, said that there

1317
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,000
will be two facilities built in

1318
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,000
the West Island. One in Dollard

1319
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000
and one at 575. Long term care

1320
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,000
for seniors. The problem is it

1321
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
was ten storeys. The committee

1322
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
and I fought day and night with

1323
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,000
the help of some councillors,

1324
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,000
and we won. We stopped Bravo

1325
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000
from building ten storeys in our

1326
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,000
backyard. We were lucky we stop

1327
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
before what this gentleman is

1328
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,000
now living. But now the clinic

1329
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000
that will be built on the bottom

1330
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000
and six storeys on top will make

1331
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,000
it seven storeys for a building,

1332
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,060
again, behind our backyard. The

1333
00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:05,060
problems that we fought before

1334
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:06,060
with Brevia, traffic,

1335
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:07,060
infrastructure, the traffic on

1336
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:09,060
May would, traffic on St.

1337
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:12,060
John's, all kinds of stuff, is

1338
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:13,060
still there. The building will

1339
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:16,060
still be seven storeys. When I

1340
00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:20,060
canvas, when I knock on doors,

1341
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:23,060
nobody knows. 95% of the people

1342
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:25,060
around my streets don't even

1343
00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:26,060
know that that is going to

1344
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:30,060
happen. And people say, the

1345
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:32,060
people that know, well, we saw

1346
00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:33,060
it in the news. If you are like

1347
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:37,060
me, I don't listen to the news.

1348
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:40,060
Because I don't trust them. They

1349
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:41,060
say whatever they want us to

1350
00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:46,060
hear, not what we want to hear.

1351
00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:48,060
I am torn because we need

1352
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:50,060
facilities like this. I'm one of

1353
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:51,060
those that in a few years, I

1354
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:52,060
might be in a rocking chair

1355
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:54,060
somewhere, and I might need such

1356
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:57,060
a facility. But do we need to

1357
00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:58,060
put them in people's backyards?

1358
00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:01,020
I wrote to the minister a month

1359
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:03,020
ago. I still am awaiting an

1360
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:06,020
answer. Not even the decency to

1361
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:07,020
let me know that my email was

1362
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:12,020
received. We have to stop these

1363
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:16,020
things before they happen. Like,

1364
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:18,020
what Outremont did to these

1365
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:20,020
people and this poor man on

1366
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:22,020
Austin, it's still not settled.

1367
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:25,020
He had four feet of junk in his

1368
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:26,020
basement last year, it's still

1369
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:29,020
not settled. Nobody wants to

1370
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:32,020
take responsibility. Can we not

1371
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:33,020
work together to stop these

1372
00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:38,020
things? Like we did before. The

1373
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:41,020
councillors that helped me stop

1374
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:43,020
Brevia were phenomenal and the

1375
00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:44,020
committee that helped me do this

1376
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:47,020
was phenomenal. But we worked

1377
00:47:47,020 --> 00:47:49,020
hard to meet people -- in this

1378
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:50,020
line of St. John's, where we

1379
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:51,020
only have homes, why are you

1380
00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:53,020
going to stick a ten storey

1381
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:57,020
building their? So they can look

1382
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:58,020
in my living room, they can look

1383
00:47:58,020 --> 00:48:01,080
at my bedroom, I can invite them

1384
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,080
for dinner, watch a little

1385
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,080
movie, watch me shower. No! Can

1386
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,080
we not please put it somewhere

1387
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,080
else? That lot, that mattered a

1388
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,080
lot, seems to be gold. Everybody

1389
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,080
wants it. Everybody wants it.

1390
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,080
Make a park. Have you seen the

1391
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,080
traffic at the corner of St

1392
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,080
John? I will invite you to come

1393
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,080
sit in my backyard and watch the

1394
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,080
traffic, feel the pollution,

1395
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,080
watch what is happening, watch

1396
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,080
what's happening again across

1397
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,080
the street of St John. They are

1398
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,080
putting another ten storey

1399
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,080
building. They want to put some

1400
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,080
more across Hymus on St. John's,

1401
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,080
they are tearing down the Bank

1402
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,080
of Nova Scotia, the bank, the

1403
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Royal Bank, all the stories that

1404
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,080
were there, they want to put

1405
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,080
more high-rises. Are you trying

1406
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,080
to kill us with the traffic on

1407
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,080
Saint-Jean? You know, when I was

1408
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,080
young, maybe I'm naive. I went

1409
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,040
somewhere and the city had a

1410
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,040
beautiful mosaic. I walked in

1411
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,040
and there was a plan for the

1412
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,040
future. What they thought the

1413
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,040
city would look like. I had

1414
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,040
never seen this. I've lived here

1415
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,040
45 years, I've never seen this.

1416
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,040
Yes, there are plans, thank you,

1417
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040
the City, whoever has organized

1418
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,040
it. There is a meeting committee

1419
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,040
pretty soon where people will

1420
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,040
have the chance to see what the

1421
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,040
future development might be. But

1422
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,040
we need more of these. Now I'm

1423
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,040
fighting the government, I'm

1424
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,040
fighting the provincial

1425
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,040
government that will not even

1426
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,040
answer me. They want to start

1427
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,040
building this summer. And I

1428
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,040
can't get any plans. I can't get

1429
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,040
anybody to answer me. It is so

1430
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,040
frustrating to live in such a

1431
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,040
beautiful city that we are

1432
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,040
allowing people to destroy. Like

1433
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,000
I've said before, people,

1434
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
engineers, come, they look at a

1435
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,000
spot on top of the map and they

1436
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000
say, oh yeah, we can put

1437
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,000
something there. Yeah, why not?

1438
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,000
There is space. Who cares what's

1439
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000
around, who cares whose lives

1440
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,000
are disrupted? It's not us. We

1441
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,000
are going to go home. When they

1442
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,000
built Hymus, when they built

1443
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
that path, like I said, I don't

1444
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,000
care. We are taking the arteries

1445
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,000
away, we don't care what's

1446
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,000
happening. I'm going home, I

1447
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,000
live in Saint-Eustache, I live

1448
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,000
here, I live there. So, you deal

1449
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,000
with it. I don't want to deal

1450
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000
with it. I have one neighbour,

1451
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,000
one. I chose that house because

1452
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,000
of that, but now I'm overwhelm.

1453
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,000
There is no other words. I'm

1454
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,000
overwhelmed. Thank you for the

1455
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,000
good decisions that are made,

1456
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,000
but I think we are making some

1457
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000
ones that need to be looked at

1458
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,000
really closely.

1459
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,060
>> So, your question?

1460
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:02,060
>> My question, -- said a while

1461
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:05,060
ago, why can't communities not

1462
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:07,060
be sent to the people of

1463
00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:08,060
district seven and let them know

1464
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:10,060
that at least this is happening?

1465
00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:12,060
I'm telling you, 95% of the

1466
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:15,060
people that I spoke to in my

1467
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:17,060
district do not know that that

1468
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:18,060
building is planned to go up

1469
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:19,060
there.

1470
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:20,060
>> What, the health care

1471
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:21,060
facility?

1472
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:22,060
>> The health care facility.

1473
00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:25,060
>> Well, it was put out

1474
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:26,060
publicly. It was on the City

1475
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:28,060
website, it was a newspaper

1476
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:30,060
stories, okay, so nobody reads

1477
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:31,060
the news, but what else can we

1478
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:32,060
do?

1479
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:33,060
>> The website either, Mister

1480
00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:35,060
Mayor. Nobody goes to it, I'm

1481
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:36,060
sorry.

1482
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:38,060
>> And nobody reads newspapers

1483
00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:39,060
anymore either, and it was also

1484
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:41,060
on television. It was also

1485
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:42,060
covered --

1486
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:43,060
>> Absolutely.

1487
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:45,060
>> So, what else can we do,

1488
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:46,060
besides that?

1489
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:48,060
>> I agree with you, I would

1490
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,060
love to have more land local

1491
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:50,060
newspapers. People don't seem to

1492
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:51,060
buy them. So, --

1493
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:53,060
>> We had one, we know what

1494
00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:56,060
happened to that one.

1495
00:51:56,060 --> 00:51:59,060
>> Well, it is commonplace --

1496
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:01,020
>> Is it possible to have a

1497
00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:03,020
community, like Miss Verdun

1498
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:04,020
said, to the people interested

1499
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:05,020
in one, so they at least are

1500
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:07,020
aware that that's happening?

1501
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:08,020
>> Well, in fairness to the

1502
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:10,020
city, we do our best to let

1503
00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:12,020
people know what's happening.

1504
00:52:12,020 --> 00:52:14,020
Now the health care facility

1505
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:16,020
was, first of all, to correct

1506
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:18,020
you on a couple of things. --

1507
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:20,020
was not finished and the only

1508
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:22,020
way that there was still a court

1509
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,020
case pending in the health care

1510
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:26,020
facility precipitated that,

1511
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:28,020
eliminated that court case. So,

1512
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:29,020
you weren't far from out of the

1513
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:32,020
woods. So, you might have had

1514
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:33,020
ten stories. You are right, I

1515
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:35,020
agree with you. The health care

1516
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:37,020
facility is smaller and we will

1517
00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:39,020
put far less demands on the

1518
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:40,020
community, but it's still a

1519
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:42,020
development. Is it a preferable

1520
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:43,020
development? It's one that

1521
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:44,020
provides health care for

1522
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:45,020
seniors, it's one that's helpful

1523
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:47,020
to the community, and is it a

1524
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:49,020
lesser of two evils? Perhaps.

1525
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:50,020
>> We are not sure.

1526
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:52,020
>> Well, I'm pretty sure. I'm

1527
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:53,020
pretty sure it is, but that's up

1528
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:56,020
to you. I mean, hindsight, it's

1529
00:52:56,020 --> 00:53:00,080
hard to evaluate now, but had

1530
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,080
the Brevia project continued,

1531
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,080
then we removed it, then we

1532
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,080
would know that it's never

1533
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,080
happened. You look at the amount

1534
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,080
of traffic density and volume of

1535
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,080
cars that were going to use,

1536
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,080
either of the two, it's

1537
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,080
lessened. So, it's preferable.

1538
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,080
It's a preferable -- to the one

1539
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,080
that was previously anticipated.

1540
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Is it perfect? No, it is not.

1541
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,080
But it does provide a whole

1542
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,080
different service and element to

1543
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,080
the community, other than the

1544
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,080
huge condo project. So, you

1545
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,080
know, it is what it is. You are

1546
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,080
talking about working together,

1547
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,080
it's well taken. That's exactly

1548
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,080
what we are doing right now. We

1549
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,080
have building freezes all over

1550
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,080
the city. For exactly that

1551
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,080
reason. To allow the citizens to

1552
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,080
be involved, so we can avoid

1553
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,080
what Mr. Atkinson just outlined.

1554
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,080
I sincerely want to avoid that.

1555
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,080
It is in all of our goal to have

1556
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,080
as many citizens participate and

1557
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,080
we heard as possible. If the

1558
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,040
citizens don't participate,

1559
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,040
don't watch news, or don't pay

1560
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,040
attention, that's a pretty hard

1561
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,040
thing to deal with. I mean, you

1562
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,040
know, and it's frustrating for

1563
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,040
those of us to make these

1564
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,040
decisions because we, all of us

1565
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,040
up here, would wait prefer more

1566
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,040
citizens got involved and more

1567
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,040
people came out to vote, and may

1568
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,040
their opinions known. That would

1569
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,040
be better for democracy, in

1570
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,040
general. You know, so, the

1571
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,040
system -- we all do our best.

1572
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,040
There is a responsibility in

1573
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,040
democracy on the part of the

1574
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,040
citizens, not just the decision

1575
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,040
makers. Yes, Councillor Stork?

1576
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,040
>> I think just some

1577
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,040
clarification required here. We

1578
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,040
do not know, at this point, what

1579
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,040
the height is. Historically,

1580
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,040
they've said they -- I read all

1581
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,040
those documentation's well. We

1582
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,040
don't have any clarification if

1583
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,040
there is going to be more or

1584
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,040
less. We know the density.

1585
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,040
Because this provincial project,

1586
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,040
we fundamentally have no say, in

1587
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,040
terms of density and such. So,

1588
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,040
whatever power that we had in

1589
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,040
our hands has now been removed

1590
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,040
and is up to the provincial

1591
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,000
government. I've done my initial

1592
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,000
surveys that have put on my

1593
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,000
page. I'm sure most of you in

1594
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,000
this -- especially read them. I

1595
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,000
am a bit concerned, -- I do not

1596
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,000
know that. That time will tell.

1597
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
One thing is for sure, we are

1598
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,000
going to have to mitigate the

1599
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,000
traffic. It's coming

1600
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000
fundamentally, especially, at

1601
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,000
the provincial level, to this

1602
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,000
area. We have to address the

1603
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
traffic concern of -- and St.

1604
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,000
John's, which is a huge issue.

1605
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,000
We have to look at me would,

1606
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000
what can be done, as potentially

1607
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,000
one way, I do not know. But

1608
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,000
those conversations, we are

1609
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,000
going to have to have and

1610
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
resolve. But I cannot tell you

1611
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,000
if it's going to be less or more

1612
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
traffic, at this point. I have

1613
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,000
my concerns, in terms of shift

1614
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000
work, in terms of no ambulances,

1615
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,000
in terms of deliveries. We just

1616
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,000
don't know what the F as I would

1617
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
be, what's the densification?

1618
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
You know, they are not going to

1619
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,000
be putting seven storeys on the

1620
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000
front of your house, but in the

1621
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,000
back, and most likely, they

1622
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
will. What's the density? Is

1623
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,000
there going to be 120 units? 450

1624
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,000
units? That, you know, I don't

1625
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,000
think anybody knows at this

1626
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,000
point.

1627
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,000
>> Well, we do know the square

1628
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,060
footage of the building. It's

1629
00:56:01,060 --> 00:56:02,060
much smaller. The square footage

1630
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:04,060
of the plant building is smaller

1631
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:07,060
than the original proposal and

1632
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:09,060
I'm fairly confident that the

1633
00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:10,060
traffic volume will be

1634
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:11,060
considerably less because it

1635
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:12,060
will be health care facility

1636
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:14,060
work, people are permanently in

1637
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:17,060
rooms. As opposed to a condo

1638
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:18,060
project where you have families,

1639
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:20,060
guests, et cetera. It's a

1640
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:22,060
different type of usage. The

1641
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:24,060
anticipated traffic flow is

1642
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:27,060
considered to be less from

1643
00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:28,060
everything I've looked at, and I

1644
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:29,060
know that the buildings, in

1645
00:56:29,060 --> 00:56:31,060
general, you can see them. They

1646
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:33,060
built some that the plan, the

1647
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:34,060
formula that they're using has

1648
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:35,060
been built elsewhere. You can

1649
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:37,060
see the size of them, they are

1650
00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:39,060
smaller than the proposed

1651
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:42,060
preview project. So, I can only

1652
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:43,060
imagine that I'm pretty sure

1653
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:45,060
that the traffic flow will be

1654
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:48,060
less. As far as the height goes,

1655
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:50,060
I was in an interesting first

1656
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:55,060
meeting, and I fought hard all

1657
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:58,060
night perhaps too hard. I was

1658
00:56:58,060 --> 00:57:02,020
with Mr. -- I spoke to a senior

1659
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:04,020
official later and, you know, I

1660
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,020
didn't want to fight to the

1661
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:09,020
point jeopardize the project. It

1662
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:10,020
required expropriation and

1663
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:11,020
required a lot of work on the

1664
00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:12,020
provincial government's part to

1665
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:13,020
get health care facility there,

1666
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:15,020
as opposed to a condominium

1667
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:18,020
project. So, there were some

1668
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:20,020
political calculus going on in

1669
00:57:20,020 --> 00:57:21,020
there and, you know, we will see

1670
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:23,020
the consequence. I think the

1671
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:24,020
consequences are better, it's

1672
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:25,020
definitely preferable to what

1673
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:30,020
was proposed. So, it is what it

1674
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:31,020
is.

1675
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:32,020
>> We discussed. If I'm torn

1676
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:33,020
because I need the facility, but

1677
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:34,020
I don't want to get in the

1678
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:36,020
garage door in my backyard.

1679
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:37,020
Like, --

1680
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:38,020
>> I encourage you to get

1681
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:39,020
involved.

1682
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:41,020
>> Well, I got involved with the

1683
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:42,020
station, the entrances, again

1684
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:44,020
in, my driveway.

1685
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:45,020
>> No, and you are dealing with

1686
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:47,020
a different level of government,

1687
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:49,020
right? Mobilize the citizens and

1688
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:51,020
have some impact on the project

1689
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:53,020
is all you can do, right? If you

1690
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:54,020
try it, then they will,

1691
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:56,020
eventually, be doing PR, public

1692
00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:59,020
relations, or dealing with the

1693
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:00,080
public.

1694
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,080
>> We'll, if they want to start

1695
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,080
building the -- summer of 23, it

1696
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,080
is now. Where are the plans?

1697
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,080
Nobody has seen anything. How

1698
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,080
can we find something that we

1699
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:14,080
don't know anything about? It's

1700
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,080
very hard. Like, I'm a smart

1701
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,080
woman. Give me a plan, then we

1702
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
will talk business. Come and

1703
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,080
impose something on me --

1704
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,080
>> We are eager to see the

1705
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,080
plans. I mean, we are all eager

1706
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,080
to see the plans, for sure.

1707
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,080
>> When? Whenever they decide?

1708
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,080
>> That's not us to decide, it's

1709
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,080
a high level of government, so

1710
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,080
we will see what happens. I

1711
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,080
personally think I'm somewhat

1712
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,080
grateful for the project. I

1713
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,080
think Pointe-Claire is overall

1714
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,080
lucky to have it, I hope. We

1715
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,080
will see what the end result

1716
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,080
will be, but for me, it's not

1717
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,080
something I'm opposed to. I

1718
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,080
think it was, for that lot of

1719
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,080
land, I mean, it could've been

1720
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,080
worse. You know, could've been a

1721
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,080
lot worse.

1722
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,080
>> Could've been better.

1723
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,080
>> Well, yeah.

1724
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,080
>> Thank you.

1725
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:04,040
>> Okay.

1726
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:09,040
>> Katie Hadley.

1727
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,040
>> Lower that a little bit. Can

1728
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,040
you hear me okay? Good evening.

1729
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,040
I prepared a bit of context, but

1730
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,040
it does echo a bit what Glenn

1731
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,040
was saying. But if you just bear

1732
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,040
with me for one moment, I am

1733
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,040
here as a resident of district

1734
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,040
seven, Northview Park. I'm a

1735
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,040
longtime Pointe-Claire resident.

1736
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,040
Almost all of my 43 years. I

1737
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,040
know live here, work here, and I

1738
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,040
raise my family here. And having

1739
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,040
grown up here, I enjoyed, had

1740
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,040
the pleasure and privilege of

1741
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,040
enjoying many of our parks in

1742
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,040
Pointe-Claire. And after eight

1743
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,040
years ago, I moved to north of

1744
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,040
you, and every day, I washed my

1745
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,040
dishes, and I look out the

1746
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,040
window, and I watch all of the

1747
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,040
multitude of ways that we use

1748
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,040
the park, which I think many of

1749
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,040
us have tried to share and have

1750
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,000
that voice here. I mean, I could

1751
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,000
list them off. Day camps, day

1752
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,000
cares, Viking pool members, kite

1753
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000
flyers, seniors, children. Like,

1754
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,000
the list goes on and on how we

1755
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,000
use the park in our

1756
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,000
neighbourhood. And I really

1757
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,000
think the wide open green space

1758
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,000
that allows for us to have that

1759
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,000
multitude and diversity of how

1760
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,000
we can use our park is what

1761
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
truly makes Pointe-Claire a

1762
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,000
beautiful place to enjoy our

1763
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,000
local parks. My daughter is keep

1764
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,000
asking, why does the park need

1765
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,000
offence? And I'm really

1766
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,000
struggling with the answer,

1767
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,000
which is one of the reasons I'm

1768
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,000
here tonight. It is my

1769
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,000
understanding that baseball

1770
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,000
could continue in our park, as

1771
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,000
it has been four years. With

1772
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,000
perhaps a few extra game rules

1773
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,000
to ensure continued safety, but

1774
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,000
that for the level that's

1775
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,000
played, which was earlier

1776
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,000
discussed, that the fence would

1777
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,000
not even really serve the

1778
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,000
purpose that it's intended to.

1779
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,000
If the ball can't reach that

1780
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,000
level or whatever else, I would

1781
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,000
like some clarification on that.

1782
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,000
For the park is beautiful and

1783
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,060
open, but it's not large. The

1784
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:03,060
fence would consume the openness

1785
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:04,060
of the park and limit the

1786
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:06,060
multitude of activities that I

1787
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:08,060
mentioned previously. There is

1788
01:01:08,060 --> 01:01:09,060
also other points of concern

1789
01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:10,060
that my fellow neighbours and I

1790
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:11,060
have expressed in previous

1791
01:01:11,060 --> 01:01:12,060
emails, previous council

1792
01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:14,060
meetings, we've listened them. I

1793
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:15,060
will not go over all of them

1794
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:19,060
tonight. But I would like to say

1795
01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:21,060
that I'm really struggling with

1796
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:23,060
the pro list for the fence being

1797
01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:25,060
part of the upgrade plan. So,

1798
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:26,060
the reason that I'm here this

1799
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:28,060
evening is that I really want to

1800
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:29,060
understand why the upgrade

1801
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:31,060
project from Northview Park

1802
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:32,060
currently includes the eight

1803
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:33,060
foot fence, which would

1804
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:34,060
unfortunately have the impact of

1805
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:36,060
altering the unique beauty and

1806
01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:38,060
limiting the usage of the park

1807
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:40,060
with our community. Is there not

1808
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:41,060
an alternative to the current

1809
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:42,060
proposed plan that could

1810
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:44,060
preserve the current identity

1811
01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:45,060
and functions of Northview Park?

1812
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:47,060
As I said at the beginning, each

1813
01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:49,060
park has its unique flavour to

1814
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:53,060
it and functionality. Can we not

1815
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:55,060
preserve Northview as the part

1816
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:57,060
that it is, that serves so many

1817
01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:58,060
multiple purposes? With putting

1818
01:01:58,060 --> 01:02:00,020
the fence, it would impact that

1819
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:02,020
and I just can't understand why

1820
01:02:02,020 --> 01:02:03,020
that decision would be put

1821
01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:07,020
forth. I guess basically, I

1822
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:09,020
would like to preserve the idea

1823
01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:10,020
of it being a space that

1824
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:11,020
celebrate diversity of

1825
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:13,020
activities that our community

1826
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:15,020
enjoys altogether. I know our

1827
01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:16,020
voices have been allowed, but

1828
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:17,020
it's because we love Northview

1829
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:18,020
park. We love our community and

1830
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:20,020
we want to contribute to the

1831
01:02:20,020 --> 01:02:21,020
vision that we all share to

1832
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:23,020
preserve Pointe-Claire and all

1833
01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:24,020
that it offers to our community.

1834
01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:26,020
Originally, my question before

1835
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:27,020
tonight's other speakers was,

1836
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:30,020
what are the pros of the reasons

1837
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:31,020
for supporting putting offence?

1838
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:33,020
And what would the impact be if

1839
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:37,020
the fence was not included? But

1840
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:38,020
after listening to all our

1841
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:39,020
requests and information, even

1842
01:02:39,020 --> 01:02:40,020
the other related things, I

1843
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:43,020
think part of it is, I don't

1844
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:44,020
want to be here playing my case.

1845
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:46,020
I want to have a conversation. I

1846
01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:47,020
want to have a dialogue, I want

1847
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:51,020
to understand, so that I can see

1848
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:54,020
why us frontline users of the

1849
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:55,020
park maybe we're not

1850
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:57,020
incorporated, our voice was not

1851
01:02:57,020 --> 01:02:58,020
there, or we could be put our

1852
01:02:58,020 --> 01:02:59,020
voice? I think we're using a lot

1853
01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:01,080
of councils time to ask these

1854
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,080
questions, ask for clarity, to

1855
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,080
ask to understand, to be

1856
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,080
involved. I've worked in the

1857
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,080
community sector, which some of

1858
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,080
you know for, like, 11 years and

1859
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,080
we are very strong and having

1860
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,080
those conversations around the

1861
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,080
table with different

1862
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,080
perspectives. I know it's hard

1863
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,080
to include citizens in all the

1864
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,080
different projects, I get that.

1865
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,080
And it can make it more

1866
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,080
complicated. But at the end of

1867
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,080
the day, it would clear up some

1868
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,080
of this information that we are

1869
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,080
not sure about or I can't

1870
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,080
understand the logic, so now I'm

1871
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,080
mad or a just want to be part of

1872
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,080
the conversation, because I love

1873
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,080
this community and I think all

1874
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,080
of us that are here do. And we

1875
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,080
want to understand why a

1876
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,080
decision we made after something

1877
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,080
that's so important to us.

1878
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,080
Explain it to me, make it

1879
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,080
rational, can we have a special

1880
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,080
meeting where recreation sits

1881
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,080
there? The councillors sit

1882
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,080
there, you don't have to let us

1883
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,080
make the decision, but could we

1884
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,080
be part of it? Could we

1885
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,080
understand, could we have a

1886
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,080
voice? And what's the best way

1887
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,080
you would like us to do that in

1888
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,080
this situation? Or should we

1889
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,080
just keep coming here and

1890
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,080
listening what we think are our

1891
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,080
priorities and what we think the

1892
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,040
reasons are that preserve the

1893
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,040
park? We want to be part of your

1894
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,040
vision as well. We want it to

1895
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,040
work for all of us. And yes,

1896
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,040
some of us would be

1897
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,040
disappointed. But if there's

1898
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,040
logic, if there is

1899
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,040
understanding, the alternatives

1900
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,040
that were looked at, I think

1901
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,040
that would help clear up a lot

1902
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,040
of this chaos around the

1903
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,040
project. So, my question tonight

1904
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,040
is, can we have a special north

1905
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,040
view meeting? Can we look at

1906
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:21,040
some of the stuff that was

1907
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,040
considered by the wreck team?

1908
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,040
Are there alternative parks that

1909
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,040
were, are we meeting all the

1910
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,040
standards as Québec baseball?

1911
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,040
Does the impact mean that if we

1912
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,040
don't put offence, baseball can

1913
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,040
be played in Pointe-Claire? I

1914
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,040
want to understand the logic. I

1915
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,040
want to be part of the

1916
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,040
conversation and many of us here

1917
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,040
tonight would like that. If

1918
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,040
there is an opportunity to

1919
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,040
schedule that, to be able to

1920
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,040
hear the other list, I just want

1921
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,040
to understand. So, that's my

1922
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,040
question. Can we have that

1923
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,040
opportunity or is this the best

1924
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,040
place to keep going back and

1925
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,040
forth with what we think the

1926
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,040
reasons are or what we would

1927
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,040
like to have heard? Like, I want

1928
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,040
to know where to be constructive

1929
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:56,040
and how to use the best use of

1930
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,040
everybody's time.

1931
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,000
>> I think you are doing it

1932
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,000
right now. I think the most of

1933
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,000
all the decisions made by city

1934
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,000
councils are made by having City

1935
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000
Council meetings. And that's

1936
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,000
generally procedure, there are a

1937
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,000
multitude of decisions that are

1938
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,000
made over the course of a year,

1939
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,000
and that's generally how it is

1940
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,000
done.

1941
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,000
>> So, if there is step, sorry

1942
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,000
to interrupt you.

1943
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000
>> I mean, there used to be

1944
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
better ways. When we had more

1945
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000
develop -- local media where you

1946
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
could get it more covered, you

1947
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,000
can get at the issue discussed

1948
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,000
more. I lament constantly the

1949
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000
loss of local media. We're

1950
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,000
probably going to lose the

1951
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,000
Gazette in the next half year to

1952
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,000
year. Which saddens me because

1953
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
the issues don't get out and

1954
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,000
don't get debated as much when

1955
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,000
we have less media coverage. So,

1956
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,000
that's a huge part of the

1957
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,000
problem. Other than that, what

1958
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,000
you are doing is excellent. What

1959
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
you guys are doing right now. I

1960
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,000
mean, I can't speak for the a

1961
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,000
people that make this decision.

1962
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,000
And we make it with a multitude

1963
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,000
of information provided and make

1964
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,060
their decisions accordingly, and

1965
01:06:00,060 --> 01:06:01,060
have been doing so for some of

1966
01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:02,060
them a long time and will

1967
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:04,060
continue to do so. That's really

1968
01:06:04,060 --> 01:06:06,060
the process. We are engaged in

1969
01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:07,060
it right now, all of us

1970
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:08,060
together.

1971
01:06:08,060 --> 01:06:10,060
>> Is there a set beforehand?

1972
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:11,060
For example, the recreation

1973
01:06:11,060 --> 01:06:12,060
department, I'm assuming the

1974
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:13,060
responsibility is to look into

1975
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:15,060
ideas, what sport teams do we

1976
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:16,060
have? What did we move from

1977
01:06:16,060 --> 01:06:18,060
terracotta to here? I'm assuming

1978
01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:20,060
there is a multitude of steps in

1979
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:21,060
the process of proposing a

1980
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:22,060
project.

1981
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:24,060
>> Elected officials don't

1982
01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:27,060
bombard city workers or

1983
01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:29,060
departments. Generally, we are

1984
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:30,060
elected for a reason. You are

1985
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:32,060
here to speak to us, there are

1986
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:33,060
nine of us up here that are

1987
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:35,060
elected for that purpose. They

1988
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:36,060
are there to implement the

1989
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:38,060
policy. It's their job, so they

1990
01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:39,060
don't get bombarded. They advise

1991
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:41,060
us, certainly, based on their

1992
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:43,060
expertise. That's what

1993
01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:44,060
administrations do. And we

1994
01:06:44,060 --> 01:06:45,060
listen to their expertise. That

1995
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:46,060
is our job. We will listen to

1996
01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:49,060
what they advise us on and we

1997
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:50,060
will also listen to our

1998
01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:52,060
citizenry. We make the two merge

1999
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:53,060
together, that is our job.

2000
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:55,060
>> Right, and so my question

2001
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:57,060
then is, when the project got

2002
01:06:57,060 --> 01:06:58,060
presented, like, it wasn't the

2003
01:06:58,060 --> 01:06:59,060
eight of you sitting around a

2004
01:06:59,060 --> 01:07:00,020
table saying, what should we do

2005
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:03,020
to north park? Correct? It's

2006
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:04,020
recreation, it's a combination

2007
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,020
of association conversations,

2008
01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:08,020
and then the project comes here

2009
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:10,020
and says, what do you think? Can

2010
01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:11,020
we vote? Correct, that's how it

2011
01:07:11,020 --> 01:07:13,020
works? You're not developing

2012
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:14,020
recreation projects. So, my

2013
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:17,020
question is, in the city's

2014
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:19,020
functionality, in that

2015
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:20,020
pre-planning, let's have some

2016
01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:22,020
ideas. Is there a space or was

2017
01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:24,020
there for a focus group on

2018
01:07:24,020 --> 01:07:25,020
citizens? Again, I don't need to

2019
01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:26,020
weigh in on the decision, but

2020
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:28,020
I'm a frontline user. I've been

2021
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:30,020
using parts for 43 years. I say

2022
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:31,020
at Northview every day three

2023
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:33,020
times a day. Like, I know how

2024
01:07:33,020 --> 01:07:34,020
the parks used. And I would

2025
01:07:34,020 --> 01:07:35,020
appreciate that being a valuable

2026
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:37,020
piece of information to projects

2027
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:39,020
that are proposed. Is there

2028
01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:40,020
something in place where certain

2029
01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:41,020
projects, and I know there are

2030
01:07:41,020 --> 01:07:42,020
bigger ones, that's more

2031
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:44,020
complicated. But a park that we

2032
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:46,020
all use and that we, you know,

2033
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:48,020
benefit from, not only just us

2034
01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:49,020
around vanguard. Like, so many

2035
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:53,020
people come to that park. It's

2036
01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:54,020
unique, wonderful, has a lot of

2037
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:55,020
purposes. Can we conserve that

2038
01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:57,020
without losing baseball? I'm not

2039
01:07:57,020 --> 01:07:58,020
even saying get rid of baseball.

2040
01:07:58,020 --> 01:07:59,020
I'm saying, can we look at the

2041
01:07:59,020 --> 01:08:01,080
alternatives? What is there?

2042
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,080
Having worked in the community,

2043
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,080
a lot of magic comes from those

2044
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,080
conversations. I don't want to

2045
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,080
miss the chance for the magic to

2046
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,080
make Pointe-Claire better and

2047
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:09,080
our parks better. Just saying, a

2048
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,080
lot of people have great ideas.

2049
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,080
Can we come to the table

2050
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,080
somewhere before it ends up

2051
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,080
being this pro, con, Council, we

2052
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,080
don't want this? Like, can we

2053
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,080
get involved before? Can we be,

2054
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,080
as users of the services, can

2055
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:25,080
our expertise be tapped into

2056
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,080
shape the project that's

2057
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,080
proposed?

2058
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,080
>> You can shape public opinion

2059
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,080
as if citizen anytime, any day

2060
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,080
of your life. And if you are

2061
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,080
politically involved, and if

2062
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,080
you're politically attentive,

2063
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,080
you can shape public opinion

2064
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,080
every day of your life. And

2065
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,080
citizens can. If they want.

2066
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,080
That's how politics work. And of

2067
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,080
course you can. And that's

2068
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,080
always available to you. If you

2069
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,080
want to meet or engage in

2070
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,080
discussion on stuff, you always

2071
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,080
can. That's what the process is

2072
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,080
all about.

2073
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,080
>> So, can we meet about north

2074
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,080
of you park specifically? Can we

2075
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,080
have a meeting to let us all

2076
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,040
express --

2077
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,040
>> I can't speak for Council, I

2078
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,040
can't speak for Council. We can

2079
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,040
certainly discuss when we can

2080
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:09,040
meet. My feeling is that we are

2081
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,040
still, the subject is still in

2082
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,040
discussion, so we can --

2083
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,040
>> Great, that's what I'm

2084
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,040
saying. Involve us now. Let's

2085
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,040
forget this back and forth.

2086
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,040
>> You are involved right now.

2087
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,040
>> Great, so how else? We all

2088
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,040
have our list of stuff we want

2089
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,040
to say and I don't want to --

2090
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,040
>> I can't answer that for you

2091
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,040
right now. I would have to speak

2092
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,040
to my council and my

2093
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:29,040
administration before I can

2094
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,040
answer any one of those

2095
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,040
questions, I can't make that

2096
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,040
decision.

2097
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,040
>> Fair enough. I just want the

2098
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,040
question out there. I would just

2099
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,040
like to have a dialogue, I would

2100
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,040
like to understand, I would like

2101
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,040
to tell my daughters why this

2102
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,040
fence has to go there. I want to

2103
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,040
be able to be behind it, also. I

2104
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,040
want to celebrate the park, I

2105
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,040
want to be part of the solution.

2106
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:43,040
>> Okay.

2107
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,040
>> If we can, please include us.

2108
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,040
>> Thank you. Dave Webb.

2109
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,000
>> The web, 95 portrayals. Going

2110
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,000
to stand up here at the

2111
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,000
beginning and just extol all the

2112
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,000
virtues of Pointe-Claire, but

2113
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,000
Katy, she stole all my whims.

2114
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Great discussion. It is a great

2115
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,000
city to live in and a great

2116
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,000
place to raise our kids. I'm

2117
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,000
just up here, I would like to

2118
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,000
shout out a couple of kudos.

2119
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,000
First of all, to public works.

2120
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,000
On the subject of the branch

2121
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,000
collection, I would just like to

2122
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,000
thank them. I live in district

2123
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
six. Up in the Hermitage area,

2124
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
which is north of the 40s. So,

2125
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
first of all, I would like to

2126
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
thank public works for

2127
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,000
remembering that we are part of

2128
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,000
Pointe-Claire and that Caitlin

2129
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,000
picked up our branches, they did

2130
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,000
a great job. I understand that

2131
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,000
it's something that's going to

2132
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000
take a little bit of time

2133
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,000
because it was an exceptionally

2134
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,000
drastic storm that we lived

2135
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,000
through. So, people, be patient.

2136
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,000
But I know they're working very

2137
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
hard to remedy the situation.

2138
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,000
Another thing I wanted to point

2139
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,000
out that I wasn't going to

2140
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,000
mention, but Mr. Thomas

2141
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,000
mentioned, I believe it's on the

2142
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,060
27th, the public works day for

2143
01:11:04,060 --> 01:11:07,060
in the public works area. Near

2144
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:09,060
terracotta. I implore everybody

2145
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:10,060
to tell your friends, your

2146
01:11:10,060 --> 01:11:12,060
neighbours, your kids about it,

2147
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:13,060
it's an amazing day and you get

2148
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:15,060
to see everything that's going

2149
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:16,060
on, as far as our public works,

2150
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:18,060
what they do, how they repaired

2151
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:21,060
things. It's just a fantastic,

2152
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:22,060
fantastic way to get to know

2153
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:23,060
people that are working for your

2154
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:27,060
city. I would also like to put a

2155
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:28,060
shout out to all our senior

2156
01:11:28,060 --> 01:11:32,060
staff. Madame Verdun and all her

2157
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:34,060
team working behind the scenes

2158
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:36,060
to make sure all of the things

2159
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:40,060
we benefit from as citizens of

2160
01:11:40,060 --> 01:11:41,060
Pointe-Claire, you people bring

2161
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:42,060
it all together. I'm very

2162
01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:46,060
appreciative of the work you do.

2163
01:11:46,060 --> 01:11:47,060
I'm grateful that you come in

2164
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:49,060
every day and you work for the

2165
01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:50,060
benefit of the citizens keeping

2166
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:55,060
all of our best interests in

2167
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:59,060
mind. Thank you very much. I

2168
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:00,020
actually have no questions

2169
01:12:00,020 --> 01:12:01,020
today. I just wanted to come up

2170
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:02,020
and say thank you to the city.

2171
01:12:02,020 --> 01:12:05,020
>> Okay. Alexander Russo.

2172
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:17,020
Hello.

2173
01:12:17,020 --> 01:12:18,020
>> I will be short and sweet.

2174
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:20,020
Basically, I've been -- I had a

2175
01:12:20,020 --> 01:12:23,020
tax presentation from Eric Stork

2176
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:25,020
and dance again a few weeks ago.

2177
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:26,020
If you ideas were flooded out a

2178
01:12:26,020 --> 01:12:27,020
thought were interesting. I dug

2179
01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:31,020
into them. Presently,

2180
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:32,020
Pointe-Claire splits its tax

2181
01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:34,020
bills twice a year. Not everyone

2182
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:35,020
can afford that, it's easier to

2183
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:37,020
split a little bit more. I'm

2184
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:38,020
curious how much that would

2185
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:40,020
cost. The answers about $600,000

2186
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:42,020
out of the budget. We can

2187
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:43,020
probably do this in a tax

2188
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:45,020
neutral way, split it into four,

2189
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:48,020
and give people a break on big

2190
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:49,020
payments coming out. Maybe they

2191
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:50,020
need a bit of help.

2192
01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:52,020
>> That's more administration, I

2193
01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:53,020
would think, to do it. But who

2194
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:55,020
knows, I will speak to Mr. say.

2195
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:57,020
I think he has strong opinions

2196
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:59,020
on this, he is our expert on

2197
01:12:59,020 --> 01:13:00,080
these matters and cities don't

2198
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,080
do it that way. None of them do.

2199
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,080
I don't know why that is the

2200
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,080
case, or they may do it that

2201
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,080
way.

2202
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,080
>> And they do.

2203
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,080
>> This one doesn't and the ones

2204
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,080
I've lived in haven't. I am just

2205
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:14,080
wondering why they don't it's, a

2206
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,080
very good question. I suspect

2207
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,080
the cost of administration. But

2208
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,080
who knows. Very good question. I

2209
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,080
would like to speak to him on

2210
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,080
that one.

2211
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:24,080
>> Great, I will come see you

2212
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,080
next month and we will see where

2213
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,080
we are at. All right.

2214
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,080
[Laughter]

2215
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,080
Goodbye, everyone.

2216
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:37,080
>> Ceramic owes.

2217
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,080
>> Okay. I'm also here for North

2218
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,080
you Park, sorry. There are a lot

2219
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,080
of us.

2220
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,080
>> Come closer.

2221
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:47,080
>> Oh my God, that's very loud.

2222
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,080
I'm here for Northview Park as

2223
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,080
well. There are a lot of us

2224
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,080
here. A lot of us were here last

2225
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,080
month as well because we are all

2226
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,080
very concerned. I just wanted to

2227
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,080
know if I could ask, just by

2228
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,040
show of hands, from the

2229
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,040
councillors, who's actually been

2230
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,040
to the park and seeing where the

2231
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:08,040
fence is going to be? So has

2232
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,040
anyone seen Eric's happy place?

2233
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,040
Oh, God, that does not sound

2234
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,040
good. On Facebook, Eric's likes

2235
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:19,040
the posed a picture from

2236
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,040
eventual or he sits when he

2237
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,040
walks his dog at night.

2238
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,040
[Laughter]

2239
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:31,040
>> The night he walks Eric?

2240
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,040
>> Yes, exactly. The fence would

2241
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,040
be literally wear Erik's toes

2242
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,040
are, and the edge of that path.

2243
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,040
So the reason I asked that

2244
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,040
question, and I think we've

2245
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,040
expressed a lot of the points of

2246
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,040
why we think this may be, just

2247
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:47,040
that outfield fence may not be

2248
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,040
the best move. That park is so

2249
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,040
unique, so small. Because the

2250
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,040
baseball field takes up such a

2251
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,040
huge percentage of the space. We

2252
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,040
wonder if there is an

2253
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,000
alternative. To Katie's point

2254
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,000
and Glenn's point as well, we

2255
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,000
want to be a part of the. We

2256
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,000
want to offer suggestions a

2257
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,000
living directly in front. We

2258
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,000
have a messed up path that goes

2259
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,000
around that park. I know I

2260
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,000
believe it's in the plans for

2261
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,000
the coming years. There is a

2262
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
basketball court at the back

2263
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,000
corner that is lumpy and

2264
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,000
concrete broken. There is not

2265
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,000
any ability to play with it.

2266
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,000
That could use an upgrade. There

2267
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000
is broken playground equipment

2268
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,000
in both parks that could be

2269
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:34,000
upgraded as well. To hear the

2270
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,000
comments about the price of the

2271
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,000
project going up by $150,000 in

2272
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,000
just a couple of months because

2273
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,000
of the cost increases, we are

2274
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,000
all seeing that in our life,

2275
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
could this not be a good

2276
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
opportunity to save money for

2277
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,000
the city and maybe say, hey,

2278
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,000
let's take down that exterior

2279
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,000
fence if in fact it it is not

2280
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,000
required by baseball Québec and

2281
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,000
--

2282
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,000
[Applause]

2283
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,000
Could we take that money and

2284
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,000
added to the surplus and use

2285
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,060
that to pay off the debt to

2286
01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:01,060
upgrade the buildings we all

2287
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:05,060
use. To do things that serve the

2288
01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:08,060
majority of the population,

2289
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:09,060
versus a sport which, I will

2290
01:16:09,060 --> 01:16:12,060
submit these calculations, it's

2291
01:16:12,060 --> 01:16:14,060
played 17 weeks of the year for

2292
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:16,060
only a few hours of the day,

2293
01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:17,060
whereas the park is utilized, I

2294
01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:20,060
would give it a good 12. I may

2295
01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:23,060
have been over happy there. My

2296
01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:26,060
calculation say it's played

2297
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:27,060
about 14% of the total time in a

2298
01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:28,060
calendar year. But it's enjoyed

2299
01:16:28,060 --> 01:16:31,060
by the citizens at least if the

2300
01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:34,060
other 86, if not and the other

2301
01:16:34,060 --> 01:16:35,060
hours in the day that baseball

2302
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:38,060
isn't happening. I just want to

2303
01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:39,060
make sure we are making the

2304
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:41,060
right decision for the citizens

2305
01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:43,060
who live in the area for the

2306
01:16:43,060 --> 01:16:44,060
majority of the people who enjoy

2307
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:47,060
the area. And I think that's

2308
01:16:47,060 --> 01:16:49,060
even more compounded by the

2309
01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:50,060
further doesn't suffocation we

2310
01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:51,060
are having in the city. We are

2311
01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:53,060
building condos just nearby. So

2312
01:16:53,060 --> 01:16:55,060
many more families are living in

2313
01:16:55,060 --> 01:16:58,060
condos versus homes because of

2314
01:16:58,060 --> 01:17:01,020
affordability. This is the only

2315
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:03,020
open green space within, like, a

2316
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:04,020
kilometer of their. We've taken

2317
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:06,020
Del Mar. There is a splash path,

2318
01:17:06,020 --> 01:17:07,020
so happy about that. But there

2319
01:17:07,020 --> 01:17:09,020
is no green space there now.

2320
01:17:09,020 --> 01:17:11,020
This is a green space. We are

2321
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:13,020
asking to keep that. We love

2322
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:14,020
everything Pointe-Claire does to

2323
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:15,020
be a green city, to be friendly

2324
01:17:15,020 --> 01:17:19,020
to the environment. Can we do

2325
01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:20,020
one more thing here and keep a

2326
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:22,020
beautiful open space?

2327
01:17:22,020 --> 01:17:25,020
>> Okay.

2328
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:27,020
>> My question would, be I think

2329
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:29,020
Katie is on the right angle. Is

2330
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:30,020
it possible before the next

2331
01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:32,020
caucus meeting to meet with

2332
01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:34,020
several councillors, perhaps at

2333
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:37,020
the park with a couple -- to

2334
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:39,020
miss Verdun's point -- to have

2335
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:41,020
one spokesman, or spokesperson

2336
01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:43,020
who could meet and discuss if

2337
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:45,020
these things. There are a

2338
01:17:45,020 --> 01:17:46,020
multitude of points we have not

2339
01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:48,020
been able to bring up at

2340
01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:49,020
meetings because of the interest

2341
01:17:49,020 --> 01:17:52,020
of time and organization.

2342
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:56,020
Brevity, honestly. I wonder, is

2343
01:17:56,020 --> 01:17:58,020
there an opportunity to speak to

2344
01:17:58,020 --> 01:17:59,020
that more length prior to the

2345
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:01,080
next caucus meeting in order to

2346
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,080
be able to help explain a little

2347
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,080
bit more how we feel about this

2348
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,080
park more strongly?

2349
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,080
>> I feel for you, Sarah. But I

2350
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,080
can't respond for my fellow

2351
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,080
councillors on that when. I

2352
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:16,080
don't know what the decision

2353
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,080
would be on that. When we will

2354
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,080
certainly discuss it.

2355
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:20,080
>> Okay.

2356
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,080
>> But, you know, generally,

2357
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,080
decisions get made according to

2358
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,080
a certain process. We are

2359
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,080
following it. But I can't speak,

2360
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:33,080
I can answer to that one myself.

2361
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,080
>> Okay. I hope you guys don't

2362
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,080
mind. I might email you and ask

2363
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,080
you if you want to have a chat.

2364
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,080
We want to try to do the best

2365
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,080
for the majority, if we can,

2366
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,080
here. And really service the

2367
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,080
bigger part of Pointe-Claire.

2368
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,080
>> Yes, go ahead, Councillor

2369
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:53,080
Cowan.

2370
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,080
>> I would like to say what's

2371
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,040
coming across loud and clear is

2372
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,040
the multi purpose functionality

2373
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:05,040
of the park. I think it is fair

2374
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,040
to say we didn't really think

2375
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,040
about that when we made the

2376
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:13,040
decision and that was made. When

2377
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,040
the earlier question talking

2378
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,040
about the decision-making

2379
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,040
process, well, that's our

2380
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,040
responsibility, to have our

2381
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,040
radar up, so that if there is

2382
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,040
going to be a lifestyle change

2383
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,040
on citizens, we think about it.

2384
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,040
Then we reach out, as individual

2385
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,040
councillors. We reach out to the

2386
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,040
citizens and bring them in.

2387
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,040
That's where you bring them into

2388
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,040
the conversation. I'm not going

2389
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,040
to prejudice the outcome, but I

2390
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,040
think it's fair to say that none

2391
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:44,040
of us really considered -- well,

2392
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:48,040
it never came up before. You are

2393
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,040
quite right, it should have come

2394
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,040
up either from you or from us,

2395
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,040
that's our jobs. I'm prepared to

2396
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,040
say that, you know, I goofed by

2397
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,040
not seeing it. And that doesn't

2398
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,040
prejudice -- doesn't mean you

2399
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,040
will get the decision you want

2400
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,000
in the end. It just means I

2401
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000
acknowledge the fact that we

2402
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,000
didn't consider all that stuff.

2403
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,000
At least, I didn't.

2404
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,000
>> We appreciate your

2405
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:10,000
transparency. Thank you.

2406
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,000
>> Ray Colwell?

2407
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,000
>> Good evening, council and

2408
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,000
attendees. During late March

2409
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,000
2023, a journalist from CBC

2410
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,000
Radio Canada approached the city

2411
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,000
of Pointe-Claire for comment on

2412
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,000
the issue surrounding Columbus

2413
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,000
Avenue and district eight. A

2414
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,000
spokesperson for the City

2415
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,000
explained Pointe-Claire has not

2416
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,000
traced in its archives the

2417
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,000
origins of Columbus Avenue. A

2418
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,000
statement which is completely

2419
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,000
contrary to what the mayor

2420
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,060
admitted on camera at the

2421
01:21:02,060 --> 01:21:05,060
February 20 -- 2023 meeting. The

2422
01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:06,060
spokesperson claims a company

2423
01:21:06,060 --> 01:21:08,060
that when it existed on the

2424
01:21:08,060 --> 01:21:10,060
corner of Hymus and Columbus

2425
01:21:10,060 --> 01:21:12,060
avenue called -- industries

2426
01:21:12,060 --> 01:21:15,060
limited named it after Columbus,

2427
01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:17,060
Ohio, where it's supposed

2428
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:20,060
headquarters were located. After

2429
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:21,060
contacting industries limited,

2430
01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:22,060
whose real headquarters is in

2431
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:25,060
Madison Heights, Michigan, it is

2432
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:27,060
revealed that there were never

2433
01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:28,060
associated with the non

2434
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:29,060
operational company bearing the

2435
01:21:29,060 --> 01:21:32,060
same name in Pointe-Claire. Nor

2436
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:33,060
did they operate in any capacity

2437
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:36,060
in the city of Columbus, which

2438
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:37,060
is incidentally still named

2439
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:40,060
after Christopher Columbus. A

2440
01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:41,060
historical figure widely

2441
01:21:41,060 --> 01:21:43,060
accepted by academia as being

2442
01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:44,060
responsible for genocide,

2443
01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:47,060
slavery of the worst kind. Some

2444
01:21:47,060 --> 01:21:48,060
residents find this

2445
01:21:48,060 --> 01:21:49,060
flip-flopping to be offensive

2446
01:21:49,060 --> 01:21:53,060
and support a protest. This

2447
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:54,060
discrepancy was corrected also

2448
01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:57,060
in the article which eventually

2449
01:21:57,060 --> 01:22:00,020
got published on April 2nd 2023.

2450
01:22:00,020 --> 01:22:05,020
The question is, why is the City

2451
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:06,020
retracting its previous position

2452
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:09,020
on the origins of Columbus

2453
01:22:09,020 --> 01:22:11,020
Avenue? A fact that can be

2454
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:14,020
verified by the documents.

2455
01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:16,020
>> My understanding is that's

2456
01:22:16,020 --> 01:22:18,020
not true. My understanding, from

2457
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:20,020
what I'm told, is when first

2458
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:22,020
research they thought it was,

2459
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:24,020
but with more in-depth research,

2460
01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:26,020
archaeologists went deeply and

2461
01:22:26,020 --> 01:22:27,020
took a deep dive into it and

2462
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:28,020
found that it was not named

2463
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:30,020
after Columbus.

2464
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:32,020
>> I have the documents with me.

2465
01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:34,020
>> My administration and top

2466
01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:35,020
archaeologist of the city says

2467
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:38,020
otherwise. I'm certainly open to

2468
01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:40,020
whatever the historical fact is.

2469
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:41,020
Do we know anything over and

2470
01:22:41,020 --> 01:22:45,020
above, that Madame Verdun? Am I

2471
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:46,020
giving a correct rendition of

2472
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:50,020
what occurred?

2473
01:22:50,020 --> 01:22:53,020
>> You don't have the certitude

2474
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:55,020
about what we can name Columbus

2475
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:59,020
Street.

2476
01:22:59,020 --> 01:23:01,080
>> The document says that

2477
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:02,080
voyager Street and Columbus

2478
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,080
Street was named on the exact

2479
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:07,080
same day. And the rational

2480
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,080
person would see that, the

2481
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,080
context was that Columbus was a

2482
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,080
voyager. These two names were

2483
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,080
synonymous.

2484
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:16,080
>> That's your linkage. But who

2485
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,080
knows. I'm a history major. You

2486
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,080
can't revisionist history.

2487
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,080
>> A spokesperson says it's

2488
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:25,080
named --

2489
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:26,080
>> You say it sounds illogical

2490
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,080
to. That's not what occurred.

2491
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,080
>> The spokesperson says it's

2492
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,080
named after Columbus, Ohio. It

2493
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:34,080
still named after Christopher

2494
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,080
Columbus.

2495
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,080
>> A spokesperson. Our top

2496
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:38,080
archaeologist and researcher

2497
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,080
says there is no convincing

2498
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,080
evidence one way or the other of

2499
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,080
how the name of the street came

2500
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:44,080
about. I don't know who your

2501
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,080
person is. We each have resident

2502
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,080
experts. I don't know. For me,

2503
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,080
it is somewhat confusing.

2504
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,080
Initially, it was said to me

2505
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,080
that it was. It was convincingly

2506
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,080
said to me, oops, it's not. We

2507
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:00,040
looked at it and there is no

2508
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,040
evidence anywhere it is what

2509
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,040
I've been told. Where we go from

2510
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,040
here, I am not sure. Do I

2511
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,040
question the validity of the

2512
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,040
people who did the research in a

2513
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,040
city that have provided me that

2514
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,040
research that convincingly says

2515
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:15,040
it wasn't named after

2516
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,040
Christopher Columbus? I don't

2517
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,040
know whether you are right or

2518
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,040
the city's right. I am not sure.

2519
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,040
I don't know where we go from

2520
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:23,040
there.

2521
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:24,040
>> If the City of Montréal

2522
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,040
changes its Columbus Boulevard

2523
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,040
which is considering in a

2524
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,040
committee in the summer, the

2525
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,040
city would still not change it?

2526
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,040
I

2527
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,040
>> Have to speak to my

2528
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,040
colleagues, I have to speak to

2529
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,040
Council, I have to speak to

2530
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,040
resident experts and find out

2531
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,040
what we should do.

2532
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,040
>> Okay. Thank you for your

2533
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,040
time.

2534
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,040
>> Thanks.

2535
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,040
>> Thanks.

2536
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:50,040
>> Nursery held Abe?

2537
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:58,040
>> Good evening, Mayor and City

2538
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:02,000
Council. To save all the trouble

2539
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,000
and to be positive. And before

2540
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,000
you do any decision for building

2541
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:15,000
or any thing going into the city

2542
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,000
seriously, can you take the

2543
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,000
opinion on the district? If you

2544
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,000
did that with all the districts,

2545
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,000
we wouldn't have all the trouble

2546
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,000
and all these argument about

2547
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:32,000
that. Park. About the building

2548
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:39,000
that's going to be in

2549
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:44,000
Saint-Jean. All that high miss

2550
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,000
west, the high-res building and

2551
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,000
condo, if we did all that with

2552
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:54,000
the district opinion and just to

2553
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,000
involve them, we wouldn't have

2554
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,000
this argument. The city council

2555
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,060
is supposed to be elected to

2556
01:26:02,060 --> 01:26:04,060
represent the city, this it

2557
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:08,060
isn't, so that's my question.

2558
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:10,060
Are you going to do that for the

2559
01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:11,060
future?

2560
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:15,060
>> We are doing it right now. We

2561
01:26:15,060 --> 01:26:16,060
have a freeze on, a development

2562
01:26:16,060 --> 01:26:18,060
freeze on, and we are developing

2563
01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:21,060
an urban plan and we are in the

2564
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:23,060
process of talking to citizens

2565
01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:24,060
and organizing meetings to hear

2566
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:27,060
what they have to say. We are

2567
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:28,060
doing exactly what you are

2568
01:26:28,060 --> 01:26:29,060
proposing.

2569
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:34,060
>> Yes, but, 100 people, 200

2570
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:38,060
people --

2571
01:26:38,060 --> 01:26:40,060
>> That's not the city's fault.

2572
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:42,060
>> I know, but with the

2573
01:26:42,060 --> 01:26:43,060
technology, they have the

2574
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:46,060
internet. You can't involve

2575
01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:50,060
people direct going there. It's

2576
01:26:50,060 --> 01:26:53,060
very simple now.

2577
01:26:53,060 --> 01:26:54,060
>> It's not simple. You have to

2578
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:55,060
make sure you are getting

2579
01:26:55,060 --> 01:26:58,060
citizens of a certain the strict

2580
01:26:58,060 --> 01:27:00,020
or certain area over the

2581
01:27:00,020 --> 01:27:02,020
internet. It is not silly, it's

2582
01:27:02,020 --> 01:27:04,020
not as simple as that, it's not

2583
01:27:04,020 --> 01:27:05,020
just overnight. People are

2584
01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:08,020
working hard to be as open and

2585
01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:09,020
inclusive as they can to the

2586
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:10,020
citizens of Pointe-Claire. The

2587
01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:12,020
city is working to be as

2588
01:27:12,020 --> 01:27:13,020
representative as it can be in

2589
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:16,020
those meetings. We are doing the

2590
01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:19,020
best we can. The best you can do

2591
01:27:19,020 --> 01:27:21,020
is show up and the citizens can

2592
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:22,020
show up and actively

2593
01:27:22,020 --> 01:27:23,020
participate, which is what we

2594
01:27:23,020 --> 01:27:26,020
are asking you to do. I would

2595
01:27:26,020 --> 01:27:27,020
argue an example, though. When

2596
01:27:27,020 --> 01:27:29,020
we were in the village

2597
01:27:29,020 --> 01:27:30,020
consulting on how to redo

2598
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:33,020
lakeshore road in the village,

2599
01:27:33,020 --> 01:27:35,020
as the dozens did not show up.

2600
01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:36,020
After the fact, most of the

2601
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:37,020
merchants then show up and got

2602
01:27:37,020 --> 01:27:40,020
really upset after the fact. In

2603
01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:41,020
democracy, really have to show

2604
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:43,020
up. If you want people to make

2605
01:27:43,020 --> 01:27:44,020
the right decisions, people have

2606
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:46,020
to show up and get involved and

2607
01:27:46,020 --> 01:27:47,020
articulate themselves so we can

2608
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:49,020
make the right decisions. Which

2609
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:51,020
goes right to all the decisions

2610
01:27:51,020 --> 01:27:53,020
we're talking about tonight. The

2611
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:55,020
more you guys participate, the

2612
01:27:55,020 --> 01:27:56,020
better the result. Simple as

2613
01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:57,020
that.

2614
01:27:57,020 --> 01:27:58,020
>> Yes, and that's what we are

2615
01:27:58,020 --> 01:28:00,080
doing. But the majority -- we

2616
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,080
went door to door of with --

2617
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,080
everybody else was against it.

2618
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:07,080
The meeting for Cadillac

2619
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,080
Fairview, the majority was

2620
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:12,080
against the building and the

2621
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,080
reserve Cadillac Fairview

2622
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:19,080
forest. In the end, the City

2623
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,080
Council do the opposite thing.

2624
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,080
>> Not yet. That's not sure. We

2625
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:30,080
have not done anything yet. We

2626
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,080
are still in consultation.

2627
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,080
Nobody is ignoring the

2628
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:35,080
consultation. We have not even

2629
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,080
had them all. Again, we've had

2630
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,080
this conversation before. You

2631
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,080
can't jump the gun as to what

2632
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:42,080
the result will be.

2633
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,080
>> That's what I'm saying. If

2634
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,080
you take the opinion of the

2635
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,080
district six or district seven,

2636
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,080
what's going on with that

2637
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,080
project, you save all the

2638
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,080
trouble and money, even.

2639
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,080
>> Except that we are going

2640
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,080
beyond that. We are doing a

2641
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:00,040
citywide consultation and urban

2642
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:01,040
development across all of

2643
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,040
Pointe-Claire. It's not just

2644
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,040
district six or seven, it's the

2645
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:06,040
entire city.

2646
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,040
>> I'm talking about it's your

2647
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,040
district. I'm not talking about

2648
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:09,040
mine or his. Each district, if

2649
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,040
you take the opinion or you know

2650
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:16,040
the right thing to do. I'm

2651
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:18,040
talking that for the future,

2652
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,040
please. My second question for

2653
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,040
the election, the last one,

2654
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:27,040
about 900 people went to elect.

2655
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:32,040
That's about 31%. The gentleman

2656
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,040
to get the city council, he won

2657
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:40,040
with 316. That is 30% from the

2658
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,040
60%. Meaning he won with 10%

2659
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:45,040
from district one. Is that the

2660
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:50,040
democratic way in 2030, 2023?

2661
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,040
That's what we can do to get

2662
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,040
better results and better

2663
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,000
representation for the district.

2664
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,000
>> With all due respect, people

2665
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,000
can interpret election results

2666
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:11,000
in all kinds of ways. The bottom

2667
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,000
line is, the more people that

2668
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,000
show up, the better the voter

2669
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,000
turnout, the better the results.

2670
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:19,000
You are correct on that one. You

2671
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,000
can't limit the legitimacy of

2672
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,000
someone's mandate.

2673
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,000
>> I'm just trying to say for

2674
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,000
the next election, we have to

2675
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,000
put that all in front of us to

2676
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,000
involve the majority of the

2677
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:31,000
citizens.

2678
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,000
>> They have to show up and

2679
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:36,000
vote. But as it stands, we've

2680
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,000
got the majority of the votes

2681
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,000
for Mr. casino. He's the setting

2682
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,000
councillor. That's generally how

2683
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,000
it works.

2684
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:43,000
>> I know. I'm not against that.

2685
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,000
I'm just saying for the next

2686
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,000
election --

2687
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,000
>> What's wrong with the last

2688
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:50,000
one, though?

2689
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,000
>> To get it more to be at least

2690
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,000
50% to get and the right person

2691
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,000
for the --

2692
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,000
>> The right person is your

2693
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,060
decision, and not the voters.

2694
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:03,060
That people voted.

2695
01:31:03,060 --> 01:31:05,060
>> Can you do it by mail or

2696
01:31:05,060 --> 01:31:08,060
email, people to involve people?

2697
01:31:08,060 --> 01:31:10,060
>> Personally, I wait prefer the

2698
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:12,060
old-fashioned way of voting. And

2699
01:31:12,060 --> 01:31:14,060
myself, I can't speak for

2700
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:15,060
everybody else. I think it's a

2701
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:16,060
more secure way of voting. I

2702
01:31:16,060 --> 01:31:18,060
like it. I will you prefer it

2703
01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:20,060
over electronically, myself. But

2704
01:31:20,060 --> 01:31:24,060
that is my bias. I'm old school.

2705
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:27,060
We do our best to get the best

2706
01:31:27,060 --> 01:31:28,060
results to get a fair result and

2707
01:31:28,060 --> 01:31:30,060
we live with it. That's called

2708
01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:31,060
democracy. That's how it works,

2709
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:33,060
right?

2710
01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:35,060
>> I respect Mister Mayor for

2711
01:31:35,060 --> 01:31:36,060
all that what you are saying.

2712
01:31:36,060 --> 01:31:39,060
But I'm saying, to improve, to

2713
01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:42,060
get it better, to involve more

2714
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:44,060
people, I lived in the city for

2715
01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:46,060
30 years. I wanted to get

2716
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:48,060
better, not worse.

2717
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:49,060
>> I touched on that a few times

2718
01:31:49,060 --> 01:31:53,060
tonight. My personal perspective

2719
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:55,060
it is in the decline in local

2720
01:31:55,060 --> 01:31:56,060
journalism and the decline in

2721
01:31:56,060 --> 01:32:00,020
journalism in general has had a

2722
01:32:00,020 --> 01:32:03,020
decay on how informed the vote

2723
01:32:03,020 --> 01:32:05,020
is. People are less informed

2724
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,020
about local politics or even

2725
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:11,020
national or international. I

2726
01:32:11,020 --> 01:32:12,020
lament what's happening within

2727
01:32:12,020 --> 01:32:14,020
news and newspapers and the

2728
01:32:14,020 --> 01:32:15,020
whole industry. I think it's a

2729
01:32:15,020 --> 01:32:16,020
crucial part. I think the state

2730
01:32:16,020 --> 01:32:21,020
has traditionally played a huge

2731
01:32:21,020 --> 01:32:23,020
role in getting people casting

2732
01:32:23,020 --> 01:32:24,020
an informed vote. If you want to

2733
01:32:24,020 --> 01:32:28,020
improve local democracy, start

2734
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:29,020
right there, are getting more

2735
01:32:29,020 --> 01:32:30,020
people interested in local

2736
01:32:30,020 --> 01:32:31,020
politics is huge. People are

2737
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:33,020
very busy. A lot of people don't

2738
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:35,020
pay attention to local politics.

2739
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:36,020
That's not the fault of local

2740
01:32:36,020 --> 01:32:40,020
politicians. That, for me, is in

2741
01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:44,020
part the fault of the citizen.

2742
01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:46,020
I've often said, the problem

2743
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:49,020
with democracy is often the

2744
01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:51,020
voter. The voter has to make

2745
01:32:51,020 --> 01:32:52,020
themselves informed, pay tension

2746
01:32:52,020 --> 01:32:54,020
to what's going on in their

2747
01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:56,020
local government, and then vote

2748
01:32:56,020 --> 01:32:57,020
accordingly. That is the best

2749
01:32:57,020 --> 01:32:59,020
result. In the meantime, we

2750
01:32:59,020 --> 01:33:00,080
carry on and do our best. That's

2751
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,080
all we can do.

2752
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,080
>> We thank, you really, for

2753
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:06,080
doing your best. God bless you

2754
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:07,080
all to work for the citizen of

2755
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:11,080
Pointe-Claire. We always give

2756
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:12,080
our opinion to make it better

2757
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,080
and better.

2758
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:16,080
>> That's why you are all here

2759
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:17,080
tonight.

2760
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,080
>> We are coming here every

2761
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,080
month to make the city better

2762
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:22,080
and better. Please, God bless

2763
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,080
you and work hard for us and

2764
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:28,080
make it better for your kids,

2765
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,080
young family, and next

2766
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:32,080
generation. Please.

2767
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,080
>> You've said this one a few

2768
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:35,080
times. But I thank you for it. I

2769
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:40,080
appreciate that. Thank you. Lin

2770
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,080
Connolly?

2771
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:42,080
>> I will pass.

2772
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:47,080
>> You will pass? Okay. Susan?

2773
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:54,080
>> Okay. I'm going to thank the

2774
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,080
employees and councillors for

2775
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:58,080
organizing earth day cleanups

2776
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,040
and District Park. People were

2777
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,040
able to walk or ride to the park

2778
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,040
nearest to them, rather than

2779
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,040
drive because of distance. It

2780
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,040
makes good sense for earth day.

2781
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,040
In the past, we used to do clean

2782
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:11,040
ups and terracotta with

2783
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,040
employees, all of Council, the

2784
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,040
scouts, and citizens. My

2785
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:16,040
suggestion to the Environment

2786
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,040
committee, and those at public

2787
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,040
works, a fall cleanup with a

2788
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,040
terracotta, simply were not many

2789
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,040
people at terracotta this year.

2790
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,040
At one point I was told only

2791
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:27,040
four. And there should be a

2792
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:28,040
terracotta cleanup later this

2793
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,040
year. I have no question. This

2794
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:34,040
is my question. Separate. I was

2795
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,040
told Pointe-Claire no longer

2796
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:40,040
offers lifts for seniors to

2797
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,040
activities. They don't like to

2798
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,040
ask people for lifts and taxes

2799
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,040
are expensive. Will they end up

2800
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,040
being housebound? If this is the

2801
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:49,040
case, you can easily find a

2802
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,040
solution. My question -- why are

2803
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,040
we removing services from

2804
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,040
seniors?

2805
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:56,040
>> I didn't know we were. Are we

2806
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,040
removing services, lifts? That's

2807
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,000
a good question.

2808
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,000
>> It's a legal issue that these

2809
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,000
traffic cannot be driving people

2810
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,000
on their vehicles. That's the

2811
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,000
problem. I believe there was a

2812
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,000
suggestion at one point at one

2813
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,000
event to use a city vehicle, it

2814
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,000
wasn't available. But there are

2815
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,000
options that we try. But we are

2816
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,000
putting staff in proper position

2817
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,000
to drive senior citizens. They

2818
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,000
didn't want to change. That is

2819
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,000
the problem.

2820
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:33,000
>> Can we do something?

2821
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,000
>> We've had this discussion

2822
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,000
before, a number of times in

2823
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,000
this council and past councils,

2824
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,000
in reference to picking up

2825
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,000
seniors, using buses, services.

2826
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,000
We are stepping on the toes of

2827
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,000
the STM, which has jurisdiction

2828
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,000
over passenger travel, ice you.

2829
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,000
Have we looked into it to see if

2830
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,000
we can slide around it in

2831
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,000
something, maybe that could be

2832
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,000
done. And that is about legal

2833
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:01,060
quagmire that exists.

2834
01:36:01,060 --> 01:36:04,060
>> Melanie?

2835
01:36:12,060 --> 01:36:17,060
>> Hi. My name is Melanie, I'm

2836
01:36:17,060 --> 01:36:18,060
here also from Northview, I was

2837
01:36:18,060 --> 01:36:20,060
point in Pointe-Claire. I've

2838
01:36:20,060 --> 01:36:21,060
lived here for almost my whole

2839
01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:23,060
life. I grew up going to

2840
01:36:23,060 --> 01:36:24,060
northeast park, I played

2841
01:36:24,060 --> 01:36:29,060
softball at the park. Okay, I've

2842
01:36:29,060 --> 01:36:30,060
lived here almost my whole life.

2843
01:36:30,060 --> 01:36:32,060
I grew up going to Northview

2844
01:36:32,060 --> 01:36:34,060
park using the pool, using the

2845
01:36:34,060 --> 01:36:36,060
softball field. Now I have a

2846
01:36:36,060 --> 01:36:37,060
16-year-old son who uses the

2847
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:38,060
pool. I used to play baseball

2848
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:40,060
with baseball West Island. And

2849
01:36:40,060 --> 01:36:42,060
the only concerns and comments

2850
01:36:42,060 --> 01:36:44,060
we ever heard about north of you

2851
01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:46,060
park was maybe not a cold water

2852
01:36:46,060 --> 01:36:48,060
fountain and not enough shade.

2853
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:50,060
My concern is, if we put a

2854
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:52,060
barrier fence from the first

2855
01:36:52,060 --> 01:36:55,060
baseline to the third baseline,

2856
01:36:55,060 --> 01:36:57,060
the elderly trees all around

2857
01:36:57,060 --> 01:36:59,060
there are within about a five

2858
01:36:59,060 --> 01:37:00,020
metre distance. It's going to

2859
01:37:00,020 --> 01:37:02,020
disrupt those routes. They've

2860
01:37:02,020 --> 01:37:03,020
already survived to ice storms.

2861
01:37:03,020 --> 01:37:05,020
I don't think we will survive

2862
01:37:05,020 --> 01:37:06,020
that, if we dig it up all the

2863
01:37:06,020 --> 01:37:10,020
way around again. And you also

2864
01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:12,020
mentioned that you are involving

2865
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:14,020
the citizens more. There is a

2866
01:37:14,020 --> 01:37:15,020
youth council and also, I think,

2867
01:37:15,020 --> 01:37:18,020
a citizen's Council. And at the

2868
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:20,020
youth council get to see the

2869
01:37:20,020 --> 01:37:22,020
plants for north of you park at

2870
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:24,020
all?

2871
01:37:24,020 --> 01:37:25,020
>> That's a good question. I

2872
01:37:25,020 --> 01:37:28,020
don't think so. Tara, did they?

2873
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:30,020
>> No, they did not look at the

2874
01:37:30,020 --> 01:37:33,020
plans for Northview park. The

2875
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:35,020
fans has to do with security

2876
01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:36,020
reasons so it's not something

2877
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:37,020
you would necessarily present to

2878
01:37:37,020 --> 01:37:40,020
the youth council. They are on

2879
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:42,020
an advisory board and they

2880
01:37:42,020 --> 01:37:45,020
advise primarily on programming,

2881
01:37:45,020 --> 01:37:48,020
public transit park makeup but

2882
01:37:48,020 --> 01:37:51,020
as far as something like

2883
01:37:51,020 --> 01:37:53,020
security issues or illegality

2884
01:37:53,020 --> 01:37:54,020
issues, insurance issues, things

2885
01:37:54,020 --> 01:37:55,020
like that, no, they are not

2886
01:37:55,020 --> 01:37:58,020
consult.

2887
01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:00,080
>> Did the citizens group get a

2888
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:01,080
look at the plans before they

2889
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:05,080
were submitted or approved?

2890
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,080
>> What citizen groups are we

2891
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:09,080
referring to?

2892
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:12,080
>> Pointe-Claire citizens group?

2893
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,080
There is no citizens group, just

2894
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:17,080
the youth group?

2895
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,080
>> Ideally, there are a

2896
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:20,080
multitude of groups. There is no

2897
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,080
one expert group that gets

2898
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:23,080
consulted on things. And that's

2899
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:26,080
generally not how democracy

2900
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:27,080
works. They are called lobby

2901
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,080
groups in the U.S. and often

2902
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:30,080
more prominent are the best

2903
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,080
funded. Not as certainly the

2904
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,080
best way to engage in a

2905
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,080
democratic process. Better to

2906
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,080
listen to citizens on an equal

2907
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,080
basis, generally. Yeah,

2908
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:41,080
excellent point. That's what we

2909
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,080
are hearing tonight. Hopefully,

2910
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:46,080
we will hear more from them.

2911
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,080
>> Has there been any injuries

2912
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:52,080
reported from balls or damage to

2913
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:53,080
property at Northview Park that

2914
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:56,080
the City has had to pay lawsuits

2915
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:57,080
for?

2916
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:58,080
>> Madame Verdun, have we had

2917
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,040
any injuries or lawsuits in this

2918
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,040
regard?

2919
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,040
>> We have no claim.

2920
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,040
>> No claims?

2921
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,040
>> No claim.

2922
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,040
>> One last comment, I would

2923
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,040
feel safer having a young child

2924
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,040
running backwards into nothing

2925
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:13,040
then into the metal pool or a

2926
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,040
fence or gravel on the field if

2927
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:16,040
they are going like this and not

2928
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:19,040
looking where they are going.

2929
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:22,040
I'm very against the barrier

2930
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:23,040
fence acts Northview Park.

2931
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:26,040
>> Okay, thank you. Ivan.

2932
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:43,040
- C'est au sujet

2933
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:47,040
(inaudible)

2934
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:48,040
de la crise du verglas avant

2935
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:52,040
Pâques. Qu'est-ce que vous allez

2936
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,040
faire avec les arbres

2937
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:55,040
(inaudible)

2938
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,040
qui ont 60 ans, 70 ans,

2939
01:39:58,040 --> 01:39:59,040
au-dessus des files? Quand il y

2940
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,000
a un peu devant, du verglas, ça

2941
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:05,000
tombe. Les Sabres et les fils ne

2942
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,000
sont pas pour

2943
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,000
(inaudible)

2944
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:08,000
(---)

2945
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,000
. Est-ce que vous allez

2946
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,000
(---)

2947
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,000
pour nettoyer tout ça?

2948
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,000
- Bonne question, Madame Verdon.

2949
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,000
- Tous les arbres à 3 mètres de

2950
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,000
chaque côté des lignes

2951
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,000
électriques, de la

2952
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:25,000
responsabilité de Hydro-Québec.

2953
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,000
- Dans un rayon de 3 mètres,

2954
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:28,000
c'est la responsabilité

2955
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,000
d'Hydro-Québec.

2956
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,000
- Ils sont sur le terrain de la

2957
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:34,000
ville.

2958
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:35,000
- L'entretien et la

2959
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:39,000
responsabilité d'Hydro-Québec.

2960
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,000
- Hydro-Québec

2961
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,000
(inaudible)

2962
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,000
les arbres

2963
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,000
(---)

2964
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,000
.

2965
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,000
Je trouve que ce n'est pas une

2966
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,000
bonne idée. La Ville devrait

2967
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,000
envoyer et enlever les arbres,

2968
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,000
les planter ailleurs.

2969
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,060
(inaudible)

2970
01:41:00,060 --> 01:41:01,060
(---)

2971
01:41:01,060 --> 01:41:04,060
. Ce sont des arbres qui ont 70

2972
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:06,060
ans. On peut voir tous ceux qui

2973
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:07,060
ont les branches cassés, ils ont

2974
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:10,060
des maladies.

2975
01:41:10,060 --> 01:41:11,060
- Est-ce qu'il faut faire la

2976
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:14,060
même chose avec les personnes?

2977
01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:16,060
(rires)

2978
01:41:16,060 --> 01:41:18,060
(inaudible)

2979
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:19,060
(---)

2980
01:41:19,060 --> 01:41:21,060
.

2981
01:41:24,060 --> 01:41:26,060
Il faut prendre une décision.

2982
01:41:26,060 --> 01:41:30,060
- On a des experts. On a des

2983
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:32,060
experts dans toutes les villes,

2984
01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:33,060
Hydro-Québec aussi.

2985
01:41:33,060 --> 01:41:34,060
(inaudible)

2986
01:41:34,060 --> 01:41:35,060
(---)

2987
01:41:35,060 --> 01:41:40,060
. Ils font le travail. Il

2988
01:41:41,060 --> 01:41:43,060
décide. Il protège la canopée

2989
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:45,060
dans la ville.

2990
01:41:46,060 --> 01:41:48,060
Il décide si c'est dangereux ou

2991
01:41:48,060 --> 01:41:49,060
pas. Il y a des experts qui font

2992
01:41:49,060 --> 01:41:51,060
ça souvent.

2993
01:41:53,060 --> 01:41:55,060
Il y a beaucoup qui voudrait

2994
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:57,060
protéger les arbres aussi.

2995
01:41:57,060 --> 01:41:58,060
(inaudible)

2996
01:41:58,060 --> 01:41:59,060
(---)

2997
01:41:59,060 --> 01:42:01,020
. On ne peut pas anticiper le

2998
01:42:01,020 --> 01:42:05,020
verglas. Si on anticipe un

2999
01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:07,020
verglas, il faut couper tous les

3000
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:10,020
arbres.

3001
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:12,020
- Ça fait 45 ans que je suis au

3002
01:42:12,020 --> 01:42:14,020
Québec, trois crise du verglas.

3003
01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:18,020
Elles vont encore venir. Encore

3004
01:42:18,020 --> 01:42:21,020
beaucoup de vent, de pluie, ça

3005
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:23,020
va faire la même chose. L'été

3006
01:42:23,020 --> 01:42:25,020
dernier, on a eu des pannes

3007
01:42:25,020 --> 01:42:26,020
électriques à cause des branches

3008
01:42:26,020 --> 01:42:29,020
qui sont tombés sur les files.

3009
01:42:29,020 --> 01:42:31,020
Ce n'est pas que le verglas.

3010
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:32,020
- Quelle est la solution? Couper

3011
01:42:32,020 --> 01:42:35,020
tous les arbres?

3012
01:42:35,020 --> 01:42:36,020
- Les files et les arbres ne

3013
01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:37,020
font pas bon ménage. Il faut

3014
01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:38,020
couper tous les arbres en

3015
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:40,020
dessous des fils.

3016
01:42:46,020 --> 01:42:48,020
- Il faut planter autre chose,

3017
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:49,020
mais pas des arbres qui grandit

3018
01:42:49,020 --> 01:42:50,020
à 25 mètres.

3019
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:52,020
(inaudible)

3020
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:53,020
(intervention en anglais)

3021
01:42:53,020 --> 01:42:54,020
.

3022
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:55,020
(---)

3023
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:57,020
.

3024
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:01,080
- Vous pouvez voir sur la rue

3025
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:02,080
(inaudible)

3026
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,080
(---)

3027
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:05,080
. Ils ont des problèmes.

3028
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:06,080
- Il faut couper tous ces

3029
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:11,080
arbres? On est dans une crise

3030
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,080
environnementale.

3031
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:13,080
(inaudible)

3032
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:14,080
(---)

3033
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,080
.

3034
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:20,080
- Merci.

3035
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:26,080
(inaudible)

3036
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:27,080
(---)

3037
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:32,080
.

3038
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,080
- Il reste sept minutes.

3039
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:37,080
>> Seven minutes left.

3040
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,080
>> Seven minutes left? Okay.

3041
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:40,080
>> So, I'm here tonight to

3042
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:41,080
follow up on some information

3043
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,080
that are forwarded to a few of

3044
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:44,080
you about funding opportunities

3045
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,080
to purchase the forest. Fairview

3046
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,080
forest, in case that wasn't

3047
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,080
clear. I want to preface my

3048
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,080
question with a short preamble.

3049
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,080
We know that the deforestation

3050
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,080
at Fairview forest, even

3051
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,080
partial, would have a permanent

3052
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:58,080
impact on the health and safety

3053
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:01,040
of residents north of the 40.

3054
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,040
Currently, the force is

3055
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,040
mitigating pollution, rain, snow

3056
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:08,040
melt, wind, effects of climate

3057
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,040
emergency, but as well as noise,

3058
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,040
which is going to get much worse

3059
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:13,040
very soon. I don't know how many

3060
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:15,040
of you know how loud the R.E.M.

3061
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,040
is going to be, but it's quite

3062
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:20,040
loud, very loud. Which is going

3063
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:21,040
to affect residents on both

3064
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:24,040
sides of the 40. Pointe-Claire

3065
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:25,040
is incredibly blessed and very

3066
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:27,040
lucky to still have this

3067
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,040
exceptional ecosystem within its

3068
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:32,040
territory. Despite this, we are

3069
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,040
still well below, well, well

3070
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:36,040
below the minimum required

3071
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:37,040
protective green space we should

3072
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,040
have with about 2% of protected

3073
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,040
forest canopy in Pointe-Claire.

3074
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:42,040
And about 10% of green space,

3075
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:46,040
which includes grass. So, with

3076
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,040
that context, Fairview forest

3077
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:51,040
needs to stay intact. The best

3078
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,040
outcome would, obviously, leave

3079
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:55,040
all the parties with a vested

3080
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:56,040
interest happy. We want

3081
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:58,040
everybody to be happy at the end

3082
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,000
of all of this. First, the

3083
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,000
residents would be happy because

3084
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,000
they already live near a sea of

3085
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,000
concrete. Secondly, the

3086
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,000
administration could pride

3087
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:08,000
itself and having protected an

3088
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:12,000
exceptional ecosystem and create

3089
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,000
a central park and its downtown

3090
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,000
sector. And Cadillac Fairview

3091
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:15,000
would be happy. Yes, they own

3092
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:16,000
the land. Perhaps it don't

3093
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:17,000
understand the forest

3094
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:20,000
contribution to the community.

3095
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,000
With this information, my

3096
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,000
question tonight is the

3097
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,000
following. Will the city

3098
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,000
administration, including our

3099
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,000
elected officials, commit to

3100
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,000
putting energy into finding

3101
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:32,000
funding, both private and

3102
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,000
public, to try and protect the

3103
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:38,000
forest? To start, we just need a

3104
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,000
willingness. The residents

3105
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,000
expect a willingness from all of

3106
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:44,000
you. We really do want everybody

3107
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,000
to come out of this happy. That

3108
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:49,000
would be the ideal situation. We

3109
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,000
owe it to our children, our

3110
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,000
grandchildren, and all the

3111
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,000
future generations of

3112
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,000
Pointe-Claire residents, to try.

3113
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:56,000
I've said this previously and I

3114
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,000
will say it again, as F F -- is

3115
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:01,060
willing to assist you in this

3116
01:46:01,060 --> 01:46:03,060
process. So, my question is,

3117
01:46:03,060 --> 01:46:04,060
will all of Council

3118
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:06,060
administration agree? I can't

3119
01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:07,060
speak for all of the

3120
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:08,060
administration, but would the

3121
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:10,060
Council at least agreed to be

3122
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:11,060
willing to look into private and

3123
01:46:11,060 --> 01:46:12,060
public funding to purchase the

3124
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:15,060
forest?

3125
01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:17,060
>> I think it is, but I cannot

3126
01:46:17,060 --> 01:46:22,060
speak for them all. Yeah, I can

3127
01:46:23,060 --> 01:46:25,060
answer. Here is the problem with

3128
01:46:25,060 --> 01:46:27,060
me answering. I can't just

3129
01:46:27,060 --> 01:46:28,060
immediately speak for eight

3130
01:46:28,060 --> 01:46:29,060
people who vote on these, I

3131
01:46:29,060 --> 01:46:32,060
can't. Here, I will give you my

3132
01:46:32,060 --> 01:46:33,060
answer on this, okay? I will

3133
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:35,060
give you my answer. And my

3134
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:36,060
answer on this one has always

3135
01:46:36,060 --> 01:46:39,060
been the same. I totally agree

3136
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:41,060
with what you outlined at the

3137
01:46:41,060 --> 01:46:43,060
outset, that we are below our

3138
01:46:43,060 --> 01:46:44,060
requisite level of green space

3139
01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:45,060
in Pointe-Claire. People in

3140
01:46:45,060 --> 01:46:46,060
Pointe-Claire don't realize that

3141
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:49,060
we are below. We are actually

3142
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:52,060
remiss at our amount of green

3143
01:46:52,060 --> 01:46:54,060
space in the city. We have two

3144
01:46:54,060 --> 01:46:56,060
pressures. We have pressures to

3145
01:46:56,060 --> 01:46:58,060
densify and we have pressures to

3146
01:46:58,060 --> 01:47:00,020
protect green space and to

3147
01:47:00,020 --> 01:47:03,020
become more green. The two are

3148
01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:04,020
conflicting, in many ways,

3149
01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:05,020
conflicting pressures. And I

3150
01:47:05,020 --> 01:47:07,020
marvel at this. I've always

3151
01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:08,020
marvelled at this that we are

3152
01:47:08,020 --> 01:47:11,020
actually, we have developed and

3153
01:47:11,020 --> 01:47:13,020
densify'd and enormous amount in

3154
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:15,020
the last decade, more so than

3155
01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:16,020
our neighbouring municipalities,

3156
01:47:16,020 --> 01:47:19,020
yet, our green spaces diminish.

3157
01:47:19,020 --> 01:47:22,020
So, for me, the solution is

3158
01:47:22,020 --> 01:47:23,020
obvious and the emphasis is

3159
01:47:23,020 --> 01:47:26,020
obvious. We've emphasize one

3160
01:47:26,020 --> 01:47:27,020
direction for a minimum of a

3161
01:47:27,020 --> 01:47:29,020
decade and we have barely

3162
01:47:29,020 --> 01:47:30,020
touched the other. Maybe we

3163
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:31,020
should start paying attention to

3164
01:47:31,020 --> 01:47:33,020
it. That's my personal opinion.

3165
01:47:33,020 --> 01:47:36,020
I also think, in the instance of

3166
01:47:36,020 --> 01:47:38,020
the Fairview forest, that if

3167
01:47:38,020 --> 01:47:40,020
you're developing a large

3168
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:41,020
residential development, you

3169
01:47:41,020 --> 01:47:43,020
should have a requisite green

3170
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:45,020
space to accompany it and it's

3171
01:47:45,020 --> 01:47:47,020
right there. So, for me, the

3172
01:47:47,020 --> 01:47:49,020
solution is already there and

3173
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:51,020
should be followed accordingly.

3174
01:47:51,020 --> 01:47:53,020
That's my simple look at it. I

3175
01:47:53,020 --> 01:47:54,020
can't speak for my fellow

3176
01:47:54,020 --> 01:47:55,020
councillors, but they are

3177
01:47:55,020 --> 01:47:57,020
welcome to, if they want. But I

3178
01:47:57,020 --> 01:47:58,020
agree with everything they've

3179
01:47:58,020 --> 01:48:00,080
just said and I feel the

3180
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:01,080
solution is obvious.

3181
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,080
>> I think there's a lot of

3182
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,080
funding options out there,

3183
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:07,080
including perhaps the City PQ,

3184
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:08,080
perhaps nature conservancy of

3185
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:09,080
Canada, there's a lot of

3186
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:10,080
opportunities out there for the

3187
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,080
City to have a willingness to

3188
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:13,080
look into. Just a willingness,

3189
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,080
not saying you guys all need to

3190
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:16,080
sign contracts tomorrow,

3191
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,080
whatever. We are just asking for

3192
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,080
willingness. That is a simple

3193
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:21,080
thing.

3194
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:23,080
>> It is and I think it is

3195
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:24,080
there. I really do think it is

3196
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,080
there and some efforts have

3197
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,080
already been made. But, you

3198
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:31,080
know, it would be nice for it to

3199
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,080
be bandied about in the media

3200
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:36,080
and get possibilities in

3201
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:38,080
political discourse, as

3202
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:39,080
solutions as well, so we can

3203
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:40,080
find them other than writing

3204
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:42,080
letters or emails to different

3205
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,080
funding agencies. But hopefully

3206
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,080
there are other ways, like, you

3207
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:48,080
know, one of my girlfriends had

3208
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,080
a kidney problem and she did

3209
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:51,080
everything she could to find a

3210
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,080
funder for her kidney. So, I

3211
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:54,080
mean, we could do this to get a

3212
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:57,080
new kidney. You know, it's a

3213
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,080
long for the world, that forest.

3214
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,040
Let's find funders for it. Let's

3215
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:02,040
find solutions. We can all do

3216
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:04,040
that and they are out there.

3217
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:05,040
Hopefully if the benefactor's

3218
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:06,040
are out there, people that are

3219
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:11,040
willing to help -- preserve this

3220
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,040
planet and it's survival, some

3221
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,040
could step up to or, you know,

3222
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:16,040
besides us just going in trying

3223
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:17,040
to find them, you know?

3224
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,040
>> I think we never expected the

3225
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:20,040
City to pay for whatever the

3226
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:21,040
force was going to cause. That

3227
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,040
was never an expectation.

3228
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:25,040
Clearly, there was money for --

3229
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:26,040
this potential money for 25

3230
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:29,040
million for the public works.

3231
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,040
The money seems to be found when

3232
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:33,040
there is interest in having that

3233
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:36,040
project. So, it's curious, but

3234
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,040
anyway, if you said you can

3235
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:39,040
contribute some, think that

3236
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,040
would be amazing. But we never

3237
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,040
expected this to fit the entire

3238
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:45,040
bill. That would be not, anyway,

3239
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:46,040
not what we were thinking at

3240
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:50,040
all. I don't want to run the --

3241
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:52,040
do you want to say something?

3242
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:56,040
>> I want to share with you that

3243
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:57,040
the different grant information

3244
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:58,040
you sent me has been sent to the

3245
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:00,000
administration.

3246
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,000
>> Okay.

3247
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,000
>> So they should be looking

3248
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,000
into that.

3249
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:08,000
>> Okay. I can expect something

3250
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,000
from the administration then,

3251
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,000
maybe? Can we expect feedback

3252
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,000
from the administration about

3253
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:14,000
what's been looked into and what

3254
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:17,000
hasn't been looked into?

3255
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,000
>> Yes. In the future. It is

3256
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:20,000
still being done.

3257
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,000
>> Yeah, okay.

3258
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,000
>> The director general and I

3259
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,000
are planning some work this

3260
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,000
week, this upcoming week in this

3261
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:29,000
regard. We are still in the

3262
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,000
process of doing a lot of that.

3263
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,000
>> Okay. Looking forward to

3264
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,000
getting some news.

3265
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,000
>> Yeah. Councillor Stork? I

3266
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,000
>> Would like to clarify in

3267
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,000
reference to densification of

3268
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:39,000
green space. If you look at the

3269
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,000
multiple projects across

3270
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,000
Pointe-Claire, on Hymus for

3271
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,000
example, we just passed a

3272
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,000
project at two 85, I think

3273
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,000
that's 64% green space, if I'm

3274
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:52,000
not mistaken. It was a concrete

3275
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,000
industrial office parking lot of

3276
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,000
concrete. There are some

3277
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,000
projects with green space

3278
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,000
respected. The vast majority

3279
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,060
have been placed in industrial

3280
01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:03,060
buildings where there is --

3281
01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:06,060
we've added housing to the area.

3282
01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:07,060
The exact type of housing we

3283
01:51:07,060 --> 01:51:08,060
were looking for, maybe not.

3284
01:51:08,060 --> 01:51:10,060
There's been a push in the other

3285
01:51:10,060 --> 01:51:12,060
direction. I think that we've

3286
01:51:12,060 --> 01:51:13,060
done everything we can to

3287
01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:17,060
protect green spaces. Upper

3288
01:51:17,060 --> 01:51:20,060
Lindsey, 75% behind the arena,

3289
01:51:20,060 --> 01:51:22,060
we are looking at Ponner Woods,

3290
01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:23,060
what can we done when something

3291
01:51:23,060 --> 01:51:25,060
goes there. We are doing what we

3292
01:51:25,060 --> 01:51:27,060
can. We have to find that proper

3293
01:51:27,060 --> 01:51:29,060
balance. I'm 100 percent in

3294
01:51:29,060 --> 01:51:31,060
support of doing what we can to

3295
01:51:31,060 --> 01:51:33,060
be involved and save the

3296
01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:36,060
Fairview forest within its legal

3297
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:37,060
confines and its financial

3298
01:51:37,060 --> 01:51:39,060
parameters. We have to find a

3299
01:51:39,060 --> 01:51:41,060
solution. I have my solution.

3300
01:51:41,060 --> 01:51:45,060
But more information is gathered

3301
01:51:45,060 --> 01:51:46,060
and information is provided, I

3302
01:51:46,060 --> 01:51:47,060
will be more than happy to make

3303
01:51:47,060 --> 01:51:49,060
a statement as such.

3304
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:50,060
>> Thank you.

3305
01:51:50,060 --> 01:51:51,060
>> If I can add to the, Miss

3306
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:56,060
Lucia. Hi Miss west, for me, it

3307
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:59,060
is still, no matter what,

3308
01:51:59,060 --> 01:52:02,020
insufficiently -- it does not

3309
01:52:02,020 --> 01:52:03,020
have nearly the green spaces

3310
01:52:03,020 --> 01:52:04,020
should for a residential

3311
01:52:04,020 --> 01:52:08,020
development. We should be doing,

3312
01:52:08,020 --> 01:52:10,020
we should learn from it and do

3313
01:52:10,020 --> 01:52:11,020
much better than what we've done

3314
01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:14,020
at Hymus west. I look at

3315
01:52:14,020 --> 01:52:15,020
Griffintown as the most obvious

3316
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:18,020
example. Parts of Mississauga.

3317
01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:20,020
We have examples of what not to

3318
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:22,020
do all around us. I think our

3319
01:52:22,020 --> 01:52:24,020
development in the last ten or

3320
01:52:24,020 --> 01:52:27,020
15 years is testimony to. That I

3321
01:52:27,020 --> 01:52:28,020
think we have not done well

3322
01:52:28,020 --> 01:52:30,020
enough and I think we can do

3323
01:52:30,020 --> 01:52:32,020
better. That would be my answer

3324
01:52:32,020 --> 01:52:33,020
to that. Hymus West being the

3325
01:52:33,020 --> 01:52:36,020
best example of that.

3326
01:52:36,020 --> 01:52:37,020
>> Councillor Stork, you've

3327
01:52:37,020 --> 01:52:40,020
already spoken.

3328
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:41,020
>> Can I speak, please?

3329
01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:42,020
>> Yes, you may.

3330
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:44,020
>> That you concur that though

3331
01:52:44,020 --> 01:52:45,020
there isn't as much green space

3332
01:52:45,020 --> 01:52:46,020
as you would like, there is more

3333
01:52:46,020 --> 01:52:49,020
than there was previously?

3334
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:51,020
>> There are a whole bunch of

3335
01:52:51,020 --> 01:52:52,020
buildings that have been built

3336
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:53,020
that have taken potential green

3337
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:57,020
space away. I feel that it's

3338
01:52:57,020 --> 01:52:58,020
insufficient, and it remains

3339
01:52:58,020 --> 01:52:59,020
insufficient. That would be my

3340
01:52:59,020 --> 01:53:03,080
answer. Thank you, Miss Lucy.

3341
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:06,080
>> Time is up,.

3342
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:10,080
>> Time is up? Okay. Sir, could

3343
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:13,080
you at the microphone. At the

3344
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:17,080
microphone, sir. By all means.

3345
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:21,080
There are other people who --

3346
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:24,080
>> Since you're talking about a

3347
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:25,080
time limit and stuff, being

3348
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:29,080
Democratic, we should limit the

3349
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:30,080
conversation two minutes each, I

3350
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:31,080
think.

3351
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:35,080
>> That is -- that has been

3352
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:36,080
suggestions. If you people sure,

3353
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:37,080
there are consequences as well

3354
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:41,080
for doing so. It's a fine line,

3355
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:42,080
sir. I understand what you are

3356
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:46,080
saying. But the people -- serve,

3357
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:47,080
I will do it right now,

3358
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:49,080
actually. Answering to the,

3359
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:50,080
thank you very much. There are

3360
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:52,080
other people.

3361
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:53,080
>> There were lots of people

3362
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,080
waiting to speak who didn't get

3363
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:56,080
to speak. I've been gracious

3364
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:58,080
with you. You are very welcome.

3365
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:01,040
Thank you. Okay, Madame.

3366
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:13,040
- 5.1 Avis de motion et dépôt

3367
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:14,040
d'un projet de Règlement

3368
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:15,040
constituant le Comité

3369
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,040
consultatif de Stewart Hall.

3370
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,040
Le règlement datant de 1980, des

3371
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:30,040
mises à jour pour la

3372
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:31,040
terminologie, les

3373
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:32,040
responsabilités, le mandat du

3374
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:33,040
comité, la nomination des

3375
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:38,040
membres, le nombre de réunions.

3376
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:44,040
>> Okay. Do I have a mover?

3377
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:46,040
>> I need someone to give notice

3378
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:47,040
of motion.

3379
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:51,040
>> Notice of motion, sorry. Will

3380
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:53,040
someone get the notice of

3381
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:54,040
motion?

3382
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:58,040
>> Cynthia -- district five.

3383
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:01,000
>> Five point, to adopt amending

3384
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:02,000
By-law PC2949 decreeing the

3385
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,000
exigibles tariffs for the

3386
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:04,000
financing of properties,

3387
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:05,000
services and activities offered

3388
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:06,000
by the City of Pointe-Claire,

3389
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:10,000
for fiscal year 2023. the strap

3390
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,000
by limes to correct the rate of

3391
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:13,000
a service offered at zero

3392
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,000
dollars on the residents of when

3393
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:19,000
it is not applicable.

3394
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:20,000
6.1 Accorder un soutien

3395
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:21,000
financier pour un montant total

3396
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:26,000
de 500 $ à AMCAL. La 15e

3397
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,000
collectes de fonds annuelle, le

3398
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:30,000
17 avril dernier, pour montrer

3399
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,000
son, soutient le Conseil propose

3400
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:33,000
de faire un don de 500 dollars

3401
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,000
pour leur cueillette de fonds.

3402
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,000
6.2 Grant financial support to

3403
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:39,000
various non-profit organizations

3404
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:44,000
for a total amount of $ 132,500.

3405
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:47,000
this list is available

3406
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:48,000
- To citizens upon request. 6.3

3407
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,000
Joindre la ville de Côte

3408
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:50,000
Saint-Luc en tant que

3409
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,000
codemandeurs pour contester la

3410
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:56,000
loi 96 devant les tribunaux. La

3411
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,000
ville de Côte-Saint-Luc demande

3412
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:01,060
de se joindre à eux en tant que

3413
01:56:01,060 --> 01:56:02,060
co-demandeurs pour contester les

3414
01:56:02,060 --> 01:56:05,060
articles de la loi 96, en

3415
01:56:05,060 --> 01:56:07,060
demandant un statut pour une

3416
01:56:07,060 --> 01:56:08,060
éventuelle contestation sur le

3417
01:56:08,060 --> 01:56:10,060
fonds afin d'éviter les effets

3418
01:56:10,060 --> 01:56:11,060
préjudiciables que la loi

3419
01:56:11,060 --> 01:56:12,060
pourrait avoir sur les

3420
01:56:12,060 --> 01:56:15,060
municipalités bilingue.

3421
01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:19,060
Do I have a mover?

3422
01:56:19,060 --> 01:56:20,060
>> Tara Stainforth, district

3423
01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:21,060
four.

3424
01:56:21,060 --> 01:56:22,060
>> And a seconder?

3425
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:23,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3426
01:56:23,060 --> 01:56:25,060
>> All in favour?

3427
01:56:31,060 --> 01:56:33,060
10.1 File the 2023 financial

3428
01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:35,060
report and the external

3429
01:56:35,060 --> 01:56:36,060
auditor's report for the 2023

3430
01:56:36,060 --> 01:56:37,060
fiscal year, as well as

3431
01:56:37,060 --> 01:56:38,060
authorize the publication

3432
01:56:38,060 --> 01:56:42,060
thereof on the City website.

3433
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:43,060
10.2 Déposer la liste des

3434
01:56:43,060 --> 01:56:44,060
amendements budgétaires et le

3435
01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:45,060
registre des chèques pour la

3436
01:56:45,060 --> 01:56:46,060
période du 23 mars au 19 avril

3437
01:56:46,060 --> 01:56:50,060
2023.

3438
01:56:51,060 --> 01:56:53,060
10.3 Authorize the Treasurer to

3439
01:56:53,060 --> 01:56:54,060
proceed with the assignment of

3440
01:56:54,060 --> 01:56:59,060
the 2023 surplus. The surplus

3441
01:56:59,060 --> 01:57:03,020
for fiscal year 2022 being

3442
01:57:04,020 --> 01:57:06,020
$25,093,823. It's recommended

3443
01:57:06,020 --> 01:57:07,020
the amount be appropriated to

3444
01:57:07,020 --> 01:57:10,020
reserves for the repayment of

3445
01:57:10,020 --> 01:57:11,020
refinancing scheduled in 2024,

3446
01:57:11,020 --> 01:57:15,020
2025, and 2026. The portion of

3447
01:57:15,020 --> 01:57:16,020
the balance will be used for

3448
01:57:16,020 --> 01:57:18,020
specific projects, such as

3449
01:57:18,020 --> 01:57:20,020
funding capital expect --

3450
01:57:20,020 --> 01:57:22,020
municipal buildings, for the

3451
01:57:22,020 --> 01:57:24,020
emerald control strategy, and

3452
01:57:24,020 --> 01:57:26,020
the reserve for legal fees. The

3453
01:57:26,020 --> 01:57:27,020
residual balance of the 2022

3454
01:57:27,020 --> 01:57:31,020
surplus of 3 million $60,823

3455
01:57:31,020 --> 01:57:32,020
will be put into the non

3456
01:57:32,020 --> 01:57:34,020
allocated surplus. 10.4 Octroyer

3457
01:57:34,020 --> 01:57:35,020
un contrat pour

3458
01:57:35,020 --> 01:57:36,020
l'approvisionnement de pièces

3459
01:57:36,020 --> 01:57:37,020
électroniques pour portes

3460
01:57:37,020 --> 01:57:38,020
d'accès, à SECURMAX SYSTÈMES

3461
01:57:38,020 --> 01:57:39,020
INTÉGRÉS DE SÉCURITÉ INC.pour un

3462
01:57:39,020 --> 01:57:40,020
montant total de 263 632,44 $,

3463
01:57:40,020 --> 01:57:45,020
taxes incluses.

3464
01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:51,020
Pour l'acquisition de pièces et

3465
01:57:51,020 --> 01:57:52,020
composantes électroniques neuf

3466
01:57:52,020 --> 01:57:54,020
des accès à des portes

3467
01:57:54,020 --> 01:57:55,020
sécuriser, le six mentions du

3468
01:57:55,020 --> 01:57:57,020
besoin basée sur les

3469
01:57:57,020 --> 01:57:58,020
l'historique d'achat de 2017 à

3470
01:57:58,020 --> 01:58:00,080
2022.

3471
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,080
10.5 Award a contract for the

3472
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:03,080
purchase of 2 SAN

3473
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:04,080
(Network Attached Storage)

3474
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:05,080
systems, to ITI INC., For a

3475
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:08,080
total amount of $ 189,292.54,

3476
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:13,080
taxes included. This acquisition

3477
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:16,080
of -- systems is to replace the

3478
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:17,080
two existing 11.1 Ordonner à la

3479
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:18,080
greffière, ou en son systems we

3480
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:19,080
already have. Absence, à

3481
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:20,080
l'assistante greffière, de

3482
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:21,080
vendre à l'enchère publique les

3483
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:22,080
immeubles indiqués à l'état

3484
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:23,080
dressé par le trésorier et sur

3485
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:26,080
lesquels des taxes

3486
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:27,080
imposées n'ont pas été payées en

3487
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:32,080
tout ou en partie. Conformément

3488
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:35,080
à la loi de recouvrement des

3489
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,080
arrérages des taxes, la ville

3490
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:39,080
entreprendre par la résolution

3491
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:40,080
des procédures de recouvrement

3492
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:41,080
auprès des propriétaires en

3493
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:43,080
défaut de payer les montants du

3494
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:46,080
depuis le 30 septembre 2000 22

3495
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:47,080
août antérieures. La vente aux

3496
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:48,080
enchères a prévu le 20 juin 2023

3497
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:51,080
à 9 heures. Toute immeubles pour

3498
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:52,080
lesquels des taxes ont pas été

3499
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:53,080
payé en doux en partie à cette

3500
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:55,080
date pourront y être vendue.

3501
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:02,040
>> For 10.3 until 11.1, do I

3502
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:04,040
have a mover?

3503
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:05,040
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3504
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:06,040
district. Three

3505
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:07,040
>> And a seconder?

3506
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,040
>> -- in the district five.

3507
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:13,040
>> All in favour?

3508
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:15,040
- 12.1 Déposer la liste des

3509
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:16,040
changements au personnel

3510
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:17,040
>> Par décisions déléguées pour

3511
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:18,040
le mois de mai 12 point when,

3512
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,040
file a list of 2023. delegates

3513
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:20,040
that changes for the month

3514
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:21,040
- 12.2 Approuver la liste des of

3515
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:22,040
changements au personnel par

3516
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:23,040
décisions non déléguées au 2 mai

3517
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:24,040
May 2023. 2023.

3518
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:25,040
- 12.3 Approuver une

3519
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:26,040
modification à la Politique sur

3520
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:27,040
les déplacements à la demande de

3521
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:28,040
l'employeur. 12.3 Approve an

3522
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:29,040
amendment to the Policy on

3523
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,040
Travel at the Employer's

3524
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:34,040
Request. It is an indication of

3525
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:35,040
personal automobile allowance of

3526
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:36,040
-- as well as

3527
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:38,040
Meal allowances for travel as of

3528
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:40,040
May 1st, 2023.

3529
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:44,040
>> For 12.2 to 12.3, do I have a

3530
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:49,040
mover?

3531
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:52,040
>> -- Stainforth, district four.

3532
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:53,040
>>

3533
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:54,040
- Le secondeur, Bruno Tremblay,

3534
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:56,040
district six. All in favour?

3535
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:57,040
- 14.1 Octroyer un contrat pour

3536
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:58,040
la coupe des mauvaises herbes et

3537
01:59:58,040 --> 01:59:59,040
le nettoyage du dépôt à neige

3538
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:00,000
pour l'année 2023, à 9042-0845

3539
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,000
QUÉBEC INC., Pour un montant

3540
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:02,000
total de 44 998,91 $, taxes

3541
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:03,000
incluses, avec l'année 2024 en

3542
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:08,000
option.

3543
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:14,000
Le contrat consiste à effectuer

3544
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:16,000
de coupe de mauvaises herbes en

3545
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:17,000
bordure des rues, le nettoyage

3546
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:19,000
du dépôt à neige.

3547
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:20,000
14.2 Award a contract for the

3548
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:21,000
annual marking of roadways for

3549
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:24,000
the year 2023, to ENTREPRISE

3550
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,000
TECHLINE INC., For a total

3551
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:27,000
amount of $ 196,773.33, taxes

3552
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:31,000
included, with the year 2024 in

3553
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:34,000
option.

3554
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:36,000
The contract is for annual

3555
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:37,000
marking work, including major

3556
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,000
streets and arterial roads in

3557
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,000
the city of Pointe-Claire. 14.4

3558
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:42,000
Octroyer un contrat pour le

3559
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:43,000
remplacement et l'installation

3560
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:44,000
de raccordement de services sur

3561
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:45,000
le territoire de la Ville de

3562
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:46,000
Pointe-Claire pour l'année 2023,

3563
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:47,000
à CONSTRUCTION CAMARA INC., Pour

3564
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:48,000
un montant total de 499 544,64

3565
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:51,000
$, taxes incluses.

3566
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:55,000
C'est le contrat consiste à

3567
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:56,000
effectuer des travaux de

3568
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,000
remplacement et d'installations

3569
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:58,000
de raccordement des services

3570
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:01,060
d'égouts et d'eau potable des

3571
02:01:01,060 --> 02:01:02,060
conduites principal demandée est

3572
02:01:02,060 --> 02:01:06,060
payée par les propriétaires.

3573
02:01:06,060 --> 02:01:07,060
14.5 Award a contract for the

3574
02:01:07,060 --> 02:01:08,060
supply with delivery of

3575
02:01:08,060 --> 02:01:09,060
ready-mixed concrete for the

3576
02:01:09,060 --> 02:01:10,060
year 2023, to MELOCHE, DIVISION

3577
02:01:10,060 --> 02:01:12,060
DE SINTRA INC., For a total

3578
02:01:12,060 --> 02:01:14,060
amount of $ 55,027.03, taxes

3579
02:01:14,060 --> 02:01:16,060
included, with the year 2024 in

3580
02:01:16,060 --> 02:01:20,060
option. The contract is to

3581
02:01:21,060 --> 02:01:22,060
supply and deliver cement

3582
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:24,060
concrete on demand for the

3583
02:01:24,060 --> 02:01:26,060
reconstruction of sidewalks and

3584
02:01:26,060 --> 02:01:31,060
curbs in the city territory.

3585
02:01:31,060 --> 02:01:33,060
>> 14.1 to 14.5, do I have a

3586
02:01:33,060 --> 02:01:34,060
mover?

3587
02:01:34,060 --> 02:01:36,060
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3588
02:01:36,060 --> 02:01:38,060
I move to award the contract at

3589
02:01:38,060 --> 02:01:42,060
14.1, 14.2, 14.4, and 14.5.

3590
02:01:42,060 --> 02:01:43,060
>> And a seconder?

3591
02:01:43,060 --> 02:01:44,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3592
02:01:44,060 --> 02:01:46,060
>> All in favour?

3593
02:01:46,060 --> 02:01:47,060
- 14.6 Octroyer un contrat pour

3594
02:01:47,060 --> 02:01:48,060
des travaux de plantation et

3595
02:01:48,060 --> 02:01:49,060
entretien d'arbres en motte pour

3596
02:01:49,060 --> 02:01:50,060
l'année 2023, à TERRASSEMENT

3597
02:01:50,060 --> 02:01:51,060
TECHNIQUE SYLVAIN LABRECQUE

3598
02:01:51,060 --> 02:01:52,060
INC., pour un montant total de

3599
02:01:52,060 --> 02:01:57,060
192 675,11 $, taxes incluses.

3600
02:02:00,020 --> 02:02:02,020
Le contraire de plantations et

3601
02:02:02,020 --> 02:02:03,020
d'arbres

3602
02:02:03,020 --> 02:02:04,020
(---)

3603
02:02:04,020 --> 02:02:05,020
de remplacement des arbres

3604
02:02:05,020 --> 02:02:06,020
municipaux, des travaux qui

3605
02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:07,020
permettent de répondre aux

3606
02:02:07,020 --> 02:02:08,020
demandes des citoyens pour la

3607
02:02:08,020 --> 02:02:09,020
plantation de nouvel arbre

3608
02:02:09,020 --> 02:02:10,020
devant la résidence.

3609
02:02:10,020 --> 02:02:11,020
(---)

3610
02:02:11,020 --> 02:02:13,020
. 14.7 Award a contract to

3611
02:02:13,020 --> 02:02:14,020
ENTERPRISE HOLDINGS CANADA for a

3612
02:02:14,020 --> 02:02:17,020
total amount of $ 84,916.00,

3613
02:02:17,020 --> 02:02:18,020
taxes included, and a contract

3614
02:02:18,020 --> 02:02:19,020
to BUDGETAUTO INC., For a total

3615
02:02:19,020 --> 02:02:24,020
amount of $ 33,120.00, taxes

3616
02:02:24,020 --> 02:02:25,020
included, within the

3617
02:02:25,020 --> 02:02:26,020
Framework of the grouped call

3618
02:02:26,020 --> 02:02:30,020
for tenders No. 2021-0698-01 for

3619
02:02:30,020 --> 02:02:32,020
the rental of light vehicles of

3620
02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:37,020
the Centre d'Acquisitions

3621
02:02:37,020 --> 02:02:38,020
Gouvernemental also known as the

3622
02:02:38,020 --> 02:02:39,020
(CAG)

3623
02:02:39,020 --> 02:02:41,020
. These vehicles are tense of

3624
02:02:41,020 --> 02:02:42,020
contact passenger cars and three

3625
02:02:42,020 --> 02:02:43,020
extended --

3626
02:02:43,020 --> 02:02:44,020
- 14.8 Octroyer des contrats à

3627
02:02:44,020 --> 02:02:45,020
BRIDGESTONE AMERICAS TIRE

3628
02:02:45,020 --> 02:02:46,020
OPERATIONS, LLC., CONTINENTAL

3629
02:02:46,020 --> 02:02:47,020
TIRE THE AMERICAS LLC., GOODYEAR

3630
02:02:47,020 --> 02:02:48,020
TIRE AND RUBBER COMPANY et

3631
02:02:48,020 --> 02:02:49,020
COMPAGNIE GÉNÉRALE DES

3632
02:02:49,020 --> 02:02:50,020
ÉTABLISSEMENTS MICHELIN, pour un

3633
02:02:50,020 --> 02:02:51,020
montant total de 297 160,00 $,

3634
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:52,020
dans le cadre de l'appel

3635
02:02:52,020 --> 02:02:53,020
d'offres regroupé n°

3636
02:02:53,020 --> 02:02:54,020
2023-8109-50 pour l'achat des

3637
02:02:54,020 --> 02:02:55,020
pneus neufs, rechapés et

3638
02:02:55,020 --> 02:02:56,020
remoulés du Centre

3639
02:02:56,020 --> 02:02:57,020
d'acquisitions gouvernemental

3640
02:02:57,020 --> 02:02:58,020
(CAG)

3641
02:02:58,020 --> 02:03:00,080
.

3642
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:14,080
>> For 14.6 to 14.8, do I have a

3643
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:17,080
mover?

3644
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:19,080
>> Bissonnette, the trick to.

3645
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:20,080
>> And a seconder?

3646
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:21,080
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3647
02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:22,080
district three.

3648
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:26,080
>> All in favour?

3649
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:27,080
>> Okay, 15.1, two 15.1 Accept

3650
02:03:27,080 --> 02:03:28,080
the renewal option provided for

3651
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:30,080
in the contract entered into

3652
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:31,080
with HYDRAULIQueS R & O INC.,

3653
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:32,080
For the the period of May 2023

3654
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:35,080
to May 2024, in the amount of $

3655
02:03:35,080 --> 02:03:37,080
62,316.45, taxes included for

3656
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:40,080
the inspection, the cleaning and

3657
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:41,080
the maintenance of the

3658
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:43,080
ventilation ducts and the CVAC

3659
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:44,080
systems in the City's different

3660
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:48,080
buildings. The cleaning and

3661
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:50,080
balancing of ventilation and see

3662
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:51,080
vaccines as necessary to ensure

3663
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:52,080
the comfort of 15.2 Accepter

3664
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:53,080
l'option de renouvellement

3665
02:03:53,080 --> 02:03:54,080
prévue au users of city

3666
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:55,080
buildings. Contrat intervenu

3667
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:56,080
avec CIMCO RÉFRIGÉRATION, pour

3668
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:57,080
la période de mai 2023 à mai

3669
02:03:57,080 --> 02:03:58,080
2024, au montant de 110 000 $,

3670
02:03:58,080 --> 02:03:59,080
taxes incluses, pour des travaux

3671
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:00,040
répétitifs ou imprévisibles,

3672
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:01,040
visites préventives et entretien

3673
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:02,040
du système frigorifique à

3674
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:03,040
l'ammoniac Ecochill de l'Aréna

3675
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:08,040
Bob-Birnie.

3676
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:15,040
L'entretien du système

3677
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:17,040
frigorifiques à l'ammoniac de

3678
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:18,040
l'aréna sont nécessaires pour

3679
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:19,040
assurer un bon entretien des

3680
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:21,040
glaces.

3681
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:22,040
15.3 Accept the renewal option

3682
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:24,040
provided for in the contract

3683
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:26,040
entered into with OMNI

3684
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:27,040
VENTILATION INC., For the period

3685
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:28,040
of May 2023 to December 2023, in

3686
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:32,040
the amount of $ 88,588.24, taxes

3687
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:34,040
included for maintenance and

3688
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:35,040
repair works on the mechanical

3689
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:36,040
systems of the City of

3690
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:40,040
Pointe-Claire. This contract

3691
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:41,040
will be used to provide hourly

3692
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:43,040
rate for service called and to

3693
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:45,040
provide materials, equipment and

3694
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:46,040
tools necessary to perform

3695
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:47,040
various preventative maintenance

3696
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:50,040
and mechanical repair works.

3697
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:03,000
>> --

3698
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:04,000
- Seconded by -- 15.4 Accepter

3699
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:05,000
l'option de

3700
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:06,000
>> All in favour? Renouvellement

3701
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,000
prévue au contrat intervenu avec

3702
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:08,000
LES TERRASSEMENTS MONTRÉAL INC.,

3703
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:09,000
Pour la période de mai 2023 à

3704
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:10,000
décembre 2023, au montant de 176

3705
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:11,000
206,09 $, taxes incluses, pour

3706
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:12,000
des travaux répétitifs de

3707
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:13,000
réparation de surface en béton

3708
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:18,000
et pavage.

3709
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:22,000
Les travaux nécessaires pour

3710
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:23,000
assurer la sécurité à travers le

3711
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:28,000
terrain et bâtiments municipaux.

3712
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:29,000
>> 15.5 Award a contract for the

3713
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:30,000
supply and the delivery of

3714
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,000
janitorial products, for the

3715
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:32,000
period of June 1, 2023 to May

3716
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:37,000
31, 2024, to Sani-Depot Division

3717
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:41,000
du Groupe Dissan, for a total

3718
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:43,000
amount of $ 97,353.79, taxes

3719
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:44,000
included, with the periods

3720
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:48,000
2024-2025, 2025-2026 and

3721
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,000
2026-2027 in option. 15.6 Award

3722
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:51,000
a contract for 15.6 Octroyer un

3723
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:52,000
contrat pour des travaux de

3724
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:55,000
béton pour la réparation des

3725
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,000
piscines extérieures, à

3726
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:59,000
(---)

3727
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:04,060
. Ce contrat permet la

3728
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:07,060
réparation des piscines

3729
02:06:07,060 --> 02:06:09,060
extérieures pour la saison 2023.

3730
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:13,060
>> For 15.4 to 15.6, do I have a

3731
02:06:13,060 --> 02:06:14,060
mover?

3732
02:06:14,060 --> 02:06:16,060
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3733
02:06:16,060 --> 02:06:17,060
>> And seconder?

3734
02:06:17,060 --> 02:06:19,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3735
02:06:19,060 --> 02:06:24,060
>> All in favour?

3736
02:06:26,060 --> 02:06:27,060
15.7 Award a contract for

3737
02:06:27,060 --> 02:06:28,060
maintenance of municipal

3738
02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:31,060
buildings, to ENTRETIEN SANS

3739
02:06:31,060 --> 02:06:32,060
DEFICIENCES INC., 9322-6132

3740
02:06:32,060 --> 02:06:34,060
QUEBEC INC. And PRO MAGIC

3741
02:06:34,060 --> 02:06:38,060
MAINTENANCE, for a total amount

3742
02:06:38,060 --> 02:06:43,060
of $ 64,851.46, taxes included.

3743
02:06:44,060 --> 02:06:45,060
Services were required include

3744
02:06:45,060 --> 02:06:46,060
post event housekeeping in

3745
02:06:46,060 --> 02:06:48,060
various buildings, carpet and

3746
02:06:48,060 --> 02:06:49,060
for cleaning, and all conical

3747
02:06:49,060 --> 02:06:50,060
housekeeping in various city

3748
02:06:50,060 --> 02:06:51,060
buildings. 15.8 Régulariser les

3749
02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:52,060
dépenses envers VITRERIE PARR,

3750
02:06:52,060 --> 02:06:53,060
pour le remplacement des

3751
02:06:53,060 --> 02:06:54,060
fenêtres extérieures et

3752
02:06:54,060 --> 02:06:55,060
intérieures du deuxième étage du

3753
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:56,060
chalet de parc Cedar Heights,

3754
02:06:56,060 --> 02:06:57,060
suite à l'incendie survenu au

3755
02:06:57,060 --> 02:06:58,060
printemps 2022, pour un montant

3756
02:06:58,060 --> 02:07:03,020
de 5 484,31 $, taxes incluses.

3757
02:07:07,020 --> 02:07:08,020
Au cours des travaux, une

3758
02:07:08,020 --> 02:07:09,020
demande de modification était

3759
02:07:09,020 --> 02:07:11,020
fait afin d'ajouter des pays

3760
02:07:11,020 --> 02:07:12,020
(---)

3761
02:07:12,020 --> 02:07:13,020
d'aluminium afin de couvrir les

3762
02:07:13,020 --> 02:07:14,020
espaces supplémentaires entre

3763
02:07:14,020 --> 02:07:16,020
les murs et de maçonnerie et les

3764
02:07:16,020 --> 02:07:17,020
cadres de mur

3765
02:07:17,020 --> 02:07:18,020
(inaudible)

3766
02:07:18,020 --> 02:07:19,020
(---)

3767
02:07:19,020 --> 02:07:21,020
.

3768
02:07:22,020 --> 02:07:24,020
Do I have a mover?

3769
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:26,020
>> Bob Bissonnette, district to.

3770
02:07:26,020 --> 02:07:27,020
>> And a seconder?

3771
02:07:27,020 --> 02:07:28,020
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3772
02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:32,020
>> All in favour?

3773
02:07:32,020 --> 02:07:33,020
>> So, the persons present

3774
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:34,020
The persons present may address

3775
02:07:34,020 --> 02:07:35,020
Council on the subjects

3776
02:07:35,020 --> 02:07:36,020
hereunder from the items 17.1 to

3777
02:07:36,020 --> 02:07:41,020
17.3: 17.1 Consider a minor

3778
02:07:42,020 --> 02:07:43,020
exemption request concerning the

3779
02:07:43,020 --> 02:07:48,020
property situated at lot 2 528

3780
02:07:49,020 --> 02:07:51,020
020 of the Cadastre of Quebec

3781
02:07:51,020 --> 02:07:52,020
(corner Avro Avenue and De

3782
02:07:52,020 --> 02:07:53,020
l'Aviation Road)

3783
02:07:53,020 --> 02:07:55,020
. In order to allow, a, a full

3784
02:07:55,020 --> 02:07:58,020
area of 1060 square metres in

3785
02:07:58,020 --> 02:08:00,080
the minimum required of 2000

3786
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:02,080
square metres for occupants aid.

3787
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:04,080
A four space of 1080 square

3788
02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:05,080
metres, rather than a minimum

3789
02:08:05,080 --> 02:08:07,080
required of 2000 square metres,

3790
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:09,080
for occupant be. The storage of

3791
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:11,080
a, composting, and garbage bins

3792
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:13,080
in the secondary -- setback,

3793
02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:15,080
rather than in the lateral or

3794
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:17,080
rear setback, as permitted. D, a

3795
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:19,080
parking area located at three

3796
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:20,080
metres from a public street

3797
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:22,080
right away in the secondary

3798
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:24,080
front setback, rather than a

3799
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:25,080
minimum required of 7.5 metres.

3800
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:28,080
Eat, a parking area occupying

3801
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:30,080
87% of the secondary front

3802
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:31,080
setback, rather than the maximum

3803
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:35,080
permitted of 75%. If, loading

3804
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:36,080
and unloading docks located in

3805
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:37,080
the secondary front setback

3806
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:40,080
where they are not permitted.

3807
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:42,080
Gee, four parking spaces not

3808
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:43,080
accessible at all times, as

3809
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:45,080
required. And H, and industrial

3810
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:46,080
building with 30 parking spaces

3811
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:48,080
rather than the minimum required

3812
02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:50,080
of 35 parking spaces. 17.2

3813
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:51,080
Considérer une demande de

3814
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:52,080
dérogation mineure concernant la

3815
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:53,080
propriété sise au 6701-6901,

3816
02:08:53,080 --> 02:08:58,080
autoroute Transcanadienne.

3817
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:01,040
Permettre sur le mur latéral est

3818
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:03,040
du Bloc situé au-dessus de

3819
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:06,040
l'entrée, une en signe avec une

3820
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:07,040
superficie de 40

3821
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:08,040
(---)

3822
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:09,040
. Plutôt que le maximum permis

3823
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,040
de 18,6 mètres carrés.

3824
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,040
17.3 Consider a conditional use

3825
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:16,040
request concerning the property

3826
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:19,040
situated at 133 Labrosse Avenue

3827
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:20,040
(Microbrasserie Labrosse)

3828
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:24,040
. 17.4 Consider the site to

3829
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:26,040
allow provided that no more than

3830
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:28,040
the total floor area be occupied

3831
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:29,040
the commercial terrace being

3832
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:31,040
excluded from the 30%

3833
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:32,040
calculation. A, a counter or

3834
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:34,040
sort for the direct sale to the

3835
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:36,040
public of manufactured products

3836
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:37,040
within the facility. Be, a space

3837
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:39,040
dedicated to the public reserved

3838
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,040
exclusively for the tasting or

3839
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:43,040
consumption of craft beers or

3840
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:44,040
spirits manufactured within the

3841
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:46,040
facility. See, a space reserved

3842
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:48,040
for the public and dedicated to

3843
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:50,040
the consumption of a snack or a

3844
02:09:50,040 --> 02:09:51,040
light snack, to accompany the

3845
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:53,040
tasting or consumption of

3846
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:54,040
products manufactured within the

3847
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:56,040
processing and or at the

3848
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:58,040
facility, sorry. And the, a

3849
02:09:58,040 --> 02:10:00,000
commercial terrace. 17.4

3850
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,000
Considérer les plans

3851
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:02,000
d'implantation et d'intégration

3852
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:03,000
architecturale relatifs à la

3853
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:04,000
propriété sise au 25, avenue

3854
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,000
Claremont. Modification de

3855
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:07,000
l'entrée charretière

3856
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:08,000
(---)

3857
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,000
. 17.5 Consider the site

3858
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:10,000
Planning and architectural

3859
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:11,000
integration programme plans with

3860
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:12,000
respect to the property situated

3861
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,000
at 56 De La Pointe-Claire

3862
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:17,000
Avenue. Which is an extension

3863
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:21,000
and a renovation.

3864
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:26,000
>> For 17.1 to 17.5, --

3865
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:29,000
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3866
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:30,000
>> Do I have a mover?

3867
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:32,000
>> Okay, sorry, Eric Stork,

3868
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:33,000
district seven.

3869
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:34,000
>> And seconder?

3870
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:37,000
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3871
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:39,000
>> -- the utilization has a land

3872
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:42,000
in that planned site.

3873
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:44,000
>> 17.3?

3874
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:47,000
>> 17.3.

3875
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:50,000
- Vous votez contre 17,3,

3876
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:53,000
monsieur Bissonnette?

3877
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:57,000
>> Also, I vote for all of the

3878
02:10:57,000 --> 02:11:01,060
17.1, 17.2, 17.4, 17.5. I go

3879
02:11:02,060 --> 02:11:03,060
against 17.3.

3880
02:11:03,060 --> 02:11:04,060
>> That's the only one you vote

3881
02:11:04,060 --> 02:11:06,060
against? Okay.

3882
02:11:06,060 --> 02:11:07,060
>> Councillor Charlie?

3883
02:11:07,060 --> 02:11:11,060
>> I'm in agreement with 17.2,

3884
02:11:12,060 --> 02:11:13,060
through 17.5. I'm voting against

3885
02:11:13,060 --> 02:11:18,060
17.1.

3886
02:11:19,060 --> 02:11:23,060
>> Okay, -- j'ai une objection

3887
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:28,060
pour le 17,3.

3888
02:11:32,060 --> 02:11:33,060
Nous allons voter l'un après les

3889
02:11:33,060 --> 02:11:36,060
autres.

3890
02:11:36,060 --> 02:11:37,060
- C'est une bonne solution,

3891
02:11:37,060 --> 02:11:39,060
merci beaucoup. 17,1?

3892
02:11:39,060 --> 02:11:44,060
>> All in favour? And those

3893
02:11:44,060 --> 02:11:46,060
against?

3894
02:11:48,060 --> 02:11:51,060
>> Hold on. Okay.

3895
02:11:51,060 --> 02:11:56,060
>> 17,2? All in favour? Excuse

3896
02:11:56,060 --> 02:12:00,020
me. Those against? Okay. 17,3?

3897
02:12:00,020 --> 02:12:02,020
17.3? All in favour? Those

3898
02:12:02,020 --> 02:12:07,020
against?

3899
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:13,020
17,4? 17.4, all in favour?

3900
02:12:13,020 --> 02:12:16,020
Those against? 17,5? 17.5, all

3901
02:12:16,020 --> 02:12:21,020
in favour? Those against? Okay.

3902
02:12:25,020 --> 02:12:28,020
- C'est clair. 17.6 Considérer

3903
02:12:28,020 --> 02:12:29,020
les plans d'implantation et

3904
02:12:29,020 --> 02:12:30,020
d'intégration architecturale

3905
02:12:30,020 --> 02:12:31,020
relatifs à la propriété sise au

3906
02:12:31,020 --> 02:12:36,020
440, avenue Saint-Louis. Une

3907
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:38,020
modification au plan d'entrée

3908
02:12:38,020 --> 02:12:40,020
charretière.

3909
02:12:42,020 --> 02:12:43,020
>> 17.7, consider the site

3910
02:12:43,020 --> 02:12:44,020
planning and planning and

3911
02:12:44,020 --> 02:12:45,020
architectural integration

3912
02:12:45,020 --> 02:12:47,020
programme plans with respect to

3913
02:12:47,020 --> 02:12:48,020
the property situated at 442

3914
02:12:48,020 --> 02:12:50,020
Saint-Louis Avenue.

3915
02:12:50,020 --> 02:12:51,020
- Which is 17.8 Considérer les

3916
02:12:51,020 --> 02:12:52,020
plans a modification to the

3917
02:12:52,020 --> 02:12:53,020
driveway. D'implantation et

3918
02:12:53,020 --> 02:12:54,020
d'intégration architecturale

3919
02:12:54,020 --> 02:12:55,020
relatifs à la propriété sise au

3920
02:12:55,020 --> 02:12:56,020
6701-6901, autoroute

3921
02:12:56,020 --> 02:12:57,020
Transcanadienne. Pour une

3922
02:12:57,020 --> 02:13:01,080
rénovation extérieurs.

3923
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:02,080
>> 17.9, consider the site

3924
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:03,080
planning an architectural

3925
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:04,080
integration program

3926
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:05,080
And with respect to the property

3927
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:09,080
located at 153 -- extension an

3928
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:12,080
extension and a front veranda.

3929
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:15,080
>> For 17.6 to 17.9, do I have a

3930
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:16,080
mover?

3931
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:18,080
>> Yes, Bruno Tremblay, I

3932
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:20,080
propose moving 17.6 through

3933
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:21,080
nine.

3934
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:23,080
>> And seconder?

3935
02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:25,080
>> Seconded by Kelly

3936
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:26,080
Thorstad-Cullen, district three.

3937
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:29,080
>> All in favour?

3938
02:13:29,080 --> 02:13:32,080
(---)

3939
02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:35,080
- 18.1 Se prévaloir de l'option

3940
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:36,080
de renouvellement prévue au

3941
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:37,080
contrat intervenu avec

3942
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:38,080
SYNERGLACE CANADA INC., Pour la

3943
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:39,080
saison 2023-2024, au montant de

3944
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:40,080
352 014,36 $, taxes incluses,

3945
02:13:40,080 --> 02:13:41,080
pour la location d'une patinoire

3946
02:13:41,080 --> 02:13:42,080
extérieure réfrigérée et d'un

3947
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:46,080
sentier extérieur réfrigéré.

3948
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:50,080
Il s'agit de la deuxième et

3949
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:51,080
dernière année de

3950
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:53,080
renouvellement.

3951
02:13:53,080 --> 02:13:54,080
>> 18.2 Approve the agreements

3952
02:13:54,080 --> 02:13:55,080
To be entered into regarding the

3953
02:13:55,080 --> 02:13:59,080
exterior pools of the City.

3954
02:13:59,080 --> 02:14:00,040
These agreements are required to

3955
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:01,040
establish the vision of

3956
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:02,040
responsibility between the city

3957
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:03,040
and the organizations, in order

3958
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:05,040
to ensure the application of the

3959
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:06,040
Sanders in fourth and providing

3960
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:08,040
of the organizations with the

3961
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:09,040
facilities and equipment

3962
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:10,040
necessary to carry out the

3963
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:13,040
service offer.

3964
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:18,040
>> For 18.1, do I have a mover?

3965
02:14:18,040 --> 02:14:20,040
>> Cynthia Homan, I move to

3966
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:22,040
approve 18.1, 18.2, district

3967
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:23,040
five.

3968
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:25,040
>> And seconder?

3969
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:26,040
>> Bruno Tremblay, district six.

3970
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:31,040
>> All in favour? With comment,

3971
02:14:32,040 --> 02:14:34,040
I vote for 18.2. I vote against

3972
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:38,040
18.1. Thank you.

3973
02:14:38,040 --> 02:14:41,040
>> I, to, I'm against 18.1 and

3974
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:44,040
in favour of 18.2.

3975
02:14:54,040 --> 02:14:55,040
- 18.3 Approuver le plan

3976
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:56,040
d'action municipal pour

3977
02:14:56,040 --> 02:14:57,040
l'intégration sociale et

3978
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:58,040
professionnelle des personnes

3979
02:14:58,040 --> 02:14:59,040
handicapées 2023 et autoriser

3980
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:00,000
les objectifs 2023 et les

3981
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,000
réalisations/résumés 2022 du

3982
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:02,000
comité d'accessibilité afin de

3983
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:03,000
les soumettre à l'Office des

3984
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:05,000
personnes handicapées du Québec.

3985
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:09,000
Les objectifs de 2023 vise à

3986
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:11,000
ignorer la communication le

3987
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:13,000
transport, la sécurité publique,

3988
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:14,000
l'accès aux installations dans

3989
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:15,000
le but de accommoder notre

3990
02:15:15,000 --> 02:15:17,000
clientèle.

3991
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:19,000
>> 18.4, 18.4 To authorize the

3992
02:15:19,000 --> 02:15:21,000
Department of Culture, Sports,

3993
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:22,000
Leisure and Community

3994
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:23,000
Development to submit a request

3995
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:26,000
for funding with the Ministere

3996
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:27,000
de la Culture et des

3997
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:28,000
Communications to be paid to the

3998
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,000
City of Pointe-Claire Library.

3999
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:33,000
the amount received over the

4000
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:34,000
last three years -- and --

4001
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:39,000
dollars.

4002
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:45,000
>> A seconder?

4003
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:46,000
>>

4004
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,000
Seconded by Kelly

4005
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:48,000
Thorstad-Cullen, district three.

4006
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:51,000
>> All in favour?

4007
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:53,000
And foreclosure, do I have a

4008
02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:55,000
mover?

4009
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:56,000
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

4010
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,000
>> And seconder?

4011
02:15:58,000 --> 02:15:59,000
>> Tara Stainforth, district

4012
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:00,060
four.

4013
02:16:00,060 --> 02:16:01,060
>> All in favour? Bonsoir tout

4014
02:16:01,060 --> 02:16:02,060
le monde. Good night, everybody.