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- Mesdames et Messieurs,

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bienvenue à Ladies and cette

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séance ordinaire du mardi 6

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juin. Gentlemen, good evening,

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and welcome to -- Tuesday, June

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6th.

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C'est avec tristesse que nous

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avons appris le décès de Madame

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Amalia Guindi, en date du 8 mai

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dernier. Elle était à l'emploi

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de la ville pendant 25 années,

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au moment de sa retraite en

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juillet 2018, elle était commis

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à la bibliothèque. Nous offrons

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nos plus sincères condoléances à

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sa famille et ses amis.

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It is with sadness that we learn

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of the death of Madame Amelia --

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on May 8th -- she was a library

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clerk. We offer our most sincere

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condolences to her -- and our --

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-- this community for many many

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decades --

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La Médaille du

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Lieutenant-gouverneur a pour

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objet la reconnaissance de

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l'engagement bénévole, de la

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détermination, et du dépassement

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de soi de Québécois et de

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Québécoises, qui exercent ou qui

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ont exercé une influence

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positive

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au sein de leur communauté, ou

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de la nation québécoise. Quatre

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personnes qui habitent ou

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travaillent à Pointe-Claire, ont

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reçu une médaille dans le cadre

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d'une cérémonie qui s'est

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déroulée le 04 juin dernier.

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Dans la catégorie Médaille du

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Lieutenant-gouverneur pour la

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jeunesse, ce sont les directions

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des établissements

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d'enseignements qui soumettent

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les candidatures. Les trois

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récipiendaires sont:

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Madame Regina Lizarraga

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Santamaria, École secondaire

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John Rennie,

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M. Gaurav Ropal, école

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secondaire Felix-Leclerc,

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Madame Trina Ushvaththa

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Liyanage, École secondaire St.

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Thomas. La Médaille du

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Lieutenant-gouverneur pour les

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ainés. Dans cette catégorie,

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c'est monsieur André Giroux,

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qui a été honoré pour son

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engagement bénévole soutenu au

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niveau social ou communautaire,

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qui s'est poursuivi au-delà de

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l'âge de 64 ans. Il a contribué

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au mieux-être de son milieu et à

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l'atteinte de la mission d'un

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organisme. Félicitations à tous

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les récipiendaires. The purpose

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of the lieutenant governor's

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metal is to recognize the

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involvement, determination and

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constant striving of Quebecers

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both had a positive influence in

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their community. For people who

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live or work in Pointe-Claire

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received medals during a

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ceremony held on June 4th. In

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the category of lieutenant

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governors youth metal, it is the

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school management that submit

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the applications. The three

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recipients are Ms. Regina --

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John Ronnie high School, Mr. --

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Gorav school -- and Ms. Trina --

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in the category of lieutenant

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governor seniors medal, the

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recipient is Andre Giroux --

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which continued beyond the age

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of 64 and contributed to the

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well-being of -- congratulations

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to all the recipients.

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Afin de soutenir les personnes

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qui souhaitent prendre un virage

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éco-responsable, et réduire leur

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consommation d'eau, la Ville de

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Pointe-Claire est fière de

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distribuer des trousses

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d'économie d'eau, jusqu'à

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épuisement des stocks.

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Ces kits sont conçus pour

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réduire jusqu'à 40% la

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consommation d'eau sans

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compromettre la pression.

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Depuis le jeudi 1er juin 2023,

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les résidentes et résidents

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peuvent remplir un formulaire

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d'inscription en ligne,

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leur permettant de réserver et

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choisir entre deux ensembles

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écoresponsables d'économie

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d'eau, visitez la page sur la

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consommation d'eau du site Web

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de la Ville pour réserver votre

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trousse. In an effort to lower

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the communities water

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consumption, the City of

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Pointe-Claire is proud to

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distribute water saving kids to

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residents while supplies last.

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These water saving kits are

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designed to waste up to 40% less

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water without compromising on

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water pressure. Since Thursday,

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June 1st, 2023, residents are

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able to fill out an online

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registration form, allowing them

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to choose between two

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environmentally friendly water

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kits. Visit the City's website,

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the water consumption page, to

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reserve your kit. Active --

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Activités participative

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d'urbanisme. À partir de demain

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midi, nous invitons les

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citoyennes et les citoyens à

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s'inscrire, à la troisième

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activité participative pour la

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révision du plan d'urbanisme.

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transport et la mobilité.

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L'activité se tiendra le 21 juin

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prochain au chalet

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sont limitées. merci de réserver

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votre place. Starting at noon

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tomorrow, we are inviting sized

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citizens to register for the

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the revision of the urban plan.

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transportation and mobility. The

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activity will take place on June

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21st at the bag voila chalet --

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please reserve your place.

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malheureusement un sujet

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d'actualité présentement. Au

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Canada, depuis 1990, les feux de

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végétation ont brûlé en moyenne

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forêts, les zones arbustives et

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les prairies.

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et ont été allumés par la foudre

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des départs de feux de forêt ont

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pour origine les activités

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humaines. Les facteurs humains

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jouent un rôle important dans

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les zones boisées aménagées. Par

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exemple, le risque de feu de

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végétation augmente lorsque les

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opérations d'exploitation

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forestière sont menées par temps

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sec, et lorsque les chemins

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forestiers donnent accès aux

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amateurs de plein air aux zones

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connaisse ces facteurs augmente

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sa capacité à réduire le risque

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en rendant hommage à tous ces

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hommes et ces femmes qui sont

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déployés à plusieurs endroits au

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Québec pour combattre les

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nombreux feux de forêt qui nous

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vos déplacements estivaux dans

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les zones à risques. Forest

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topic right now -- no pun

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intended -- in Canada, since

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1990, wildfires have burned an

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average of 2.5 million hectares

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per year. These fires occur in

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forests, shrub lands and

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lightning or careless humans. In

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intentional, unintentional, or

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forest fires are caused by human

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activity. Human factors play an

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important role in managed

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woodlands. For example, the risk

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of wildfire increases when

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logging operations are conducted

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in dry weather, and when forced

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outdoor enthusiasts. The

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communities awareness of these

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to prepare for and recover from

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such fires. I would like to end

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this preamble by paying tribute

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to all the men and women who are

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deployed in many parts of to

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Québec fight that many forest

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fires that afflict us. Thank you

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for being vigilant when

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Travelling in high-risk areas

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this summer.

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Et maintenant, Madame Thibault

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nous pouvons débuter notre

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séance de ce soir.

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Adoption de l'ordre du jour avec

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deux changements, à 6,1, le

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montrant devrait être 100

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dollars. Et à 6,3, le montant

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devrait être 375 dollars. At 6.1

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>> 3.1 -- traffic committee

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meetings of March 21st and May

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9th of 2023?

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3.2 Approuver les procès-verbaux

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de la séance ordinaire du 2 mai

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2023 et de la séance

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soir, la période de questions,

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vous avez été accueilli à

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l'entrée pour vous inscrire à la

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qu'un citoyen est terminé pour

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poser sa question et que vous

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suite, si le temps n'est pas

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-- allow people to remain seated

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Number two, one person at a time

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for the -- to finish asking the

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question and to be called before

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you get up to ask viewers.

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>> On peut wait, wait --

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- Monsieur...

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-, S'il vous plaît, monsieur

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Alain Dubuc.

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- Bonsoir, Monsieur le Maire, et

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à tous vous autres, et les

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membres du comité municipal de

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la ville. J'ai une question pour

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vous. C'est ça, je m'appelle

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Alain Dubuc, je suis résidente

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au 256, avenue bord du lac, à

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Pointe-Claire. Les jours. Et

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j'ai une question. Alors

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j'aimerais savoir si le conseil

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municipal considère qu'un très

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fort bruit causé par un voisin

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et légalement acceptable quand

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il est produit pendant quelques

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heures par jour, quatre jours

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sur sept, à toutes les semaines,

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et pendant tout l'été? Et

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j'aimerais aussi savoir quelle

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personne est légalement habilité

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à mesurer la puissance d'un

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bruit? Et la distance à laquelle

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on entend ce bruit en milieu

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urbain. Je dois vous dire que

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j'ai aussi, évidemment, une

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copie du règlement municipal qui

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a été approuvé par le maire

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Séguin concernant la paix

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publique et tout ça. J'ai tout

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lu ça. Alors voilà. J'aimerais

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ça avoir une réponse à ma

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question, s'il vous plaît.

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- C'est une bonne question,

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monsieur Dubuc. Je ne sais pas

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les règles officiellement, mais

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vous parlez au sujet de...

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- De bruit.

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- De bruit, O.K.. Le bruit

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musical, de la musique, ou juste

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du bruit?

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- On peut appeler ça comme vous

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voulez.

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- O.K., O.K.. Corinne a, est-ce

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que vous connaissez les règles?

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- Au niveau du bruit, dans le

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fond, c'est notre élément de

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nuisance qui est imputable. Et

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pour nous, à la Ville, c'est le

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département de la sécurité

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publique qui applique ce

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règlement-là.

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- D'accord.

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- O.K.. Le règlement, vous

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parlez de la Sécurité publique.

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C'est-à-dire? Je veux dire...

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moi, j'ai appelé régulièrement

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la Sécurité publique. J'ai aussi

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parlé à mon conseiller

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municipal, monsieur Claude

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Cousineau, concernant mon

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problème. Et puis je veux dire,

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je suis ici ce soir pour vous

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dire que, bien là, je ne sais

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plus à qui parler, là. Parce

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qu'il n'y a personne, il ne se

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passe rien. Je n'ai pas eu de

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nouvelles. Je n'ai pas de

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nouvelles.

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- C'est sûr qu'aujourd'hui, je

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ne peux pas répondre à votre

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problématique en tant que tel

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parce que je ne la connais pas,

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vous comprenez? Mais je ne sais

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pas à qui vous avez parlé au

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niveau de la sécurité publique,

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mais si vous voulez, après la

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séance, peut-être communiqué

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directement avec le directeur

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qui est monsieur Tanguay ou avec

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moi-même, on peut regarder plus

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en détail votre dossier, si vous

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voulez.

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- O.K.. Alors c'est ça votre

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réponse?

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- Désolé, Alain. C'est la

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première fois que j'ai entendu

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ça.

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- O.K..

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- Ce n'est pas la première fois

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que monsieur Cousineau entend

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ça, par exemple.

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(inaudible)

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- O.K., j'ai croisé monsieur le

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maire hier, justement, quelques

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secondes. Il partait pour

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quelque chose d'important,

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j'imagine... et puis il m'a

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mentionné deux sujets. Et puis

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les plaintes contre

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(---)

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77 vont être considérés par le

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conseil. Présentement, la loi

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est respectée. J'ai fait suivre

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un et merde à monsieur Tanguay.

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Je crois, un courriel, puis

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tout. Je crois que j'ai mis

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madame Gagnon en copie. Il m'a

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répondu: ce n'est pas clair, ma

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mémoire. S'il est allé vous voir

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pour vous expliquer le

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règlement. La procédure.

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- Le règlement, je le connais

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bien. La question que je vous

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pose, c'est, et puis j'aimerais

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ça que vous me répondiez: est-ce

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que vous trouvez ça correct, ce

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qui est en train de se passer

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dans le village en ce moment?

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Dites-moi ça, dites-moi oui,

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c'est beau. Vous dites non, ce

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n'est pas correct. City

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- Pour moi, c'est la première

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fois que j'ai entendu une

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plainte, c'était hier. Entendre

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la madame n'était pas

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complètement contre ce qui se

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passait, si on parle de

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l'exemple dans le village. Je

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pense que je comprends la

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question. Mais il n'était pas

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vraiment contre. Elle voulait

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régler la situation d'une

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façon...

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- Civilisée.

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- Gentille, civilisés pour tout

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le monde. Mais même pour la

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business aussi. Mais elle

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n'était pas complètement contre

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ce qui se passait. Je ne sais

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pas si c'est le cas pour vous

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aussi. Vous êtes le deuxième.

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Alors pour moi, ce n'est pas

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encore une crise. Mais on va

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voir ce qui se passe. Et...

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- Mais comme dit monsieur

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Cousineau, ça veut dire qu'à

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votre avis, selon ce qu'il vient

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de dire, le règlement est

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respecté. Et tout est correct,

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c'est ça? Oui, oui?

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- On peut vérifier ça.

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- O.K..

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- Le règlement est observé.

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- C'est beau...

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- Mais on peut, et ça, ça a

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toujours fait partie de la

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campagne, si on veut... moi, je

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veux un village vivant. Ça peut

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s'arranger. Il y a eu d'autres

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problèmes de musique forte. Et

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j'ai entendu des plaintes à

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plusieurs reprises au début. Et

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puis ça semble s'être réglé à

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l'amiable. Je ne vois pas

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pourquoi est-ce qu'on ne

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pourrait pas s'asseoir avec

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monsieur Epstein, qui est le

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propriétaire du studio. Et puis

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en venir à un arrangement.

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- Merci, merci beaucoup.

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- Ça fait plaisir.

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- Bonsoir.

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- Merci.

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-- Macosse -- if I pronounce

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that right, sir?

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>> -- frequent flyer here. Hi,

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guys. My name is Sarah Macosse.

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I live in battle guard avenue in

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front of Northview Park. I'm

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here to discuss that subject

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again. Glenn is holding up a

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picture of the temporary fence

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that has been -- the

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construction. I want to make

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sure everyone has seen it. It's

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a great example from Eric's

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happy place that we spoke about

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last time of what the park will

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look like from his view. You can

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see there's a family sitting on

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the bench and they are looking

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at the temporary fence, which is

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six feet high. The fence will be

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eight feet, as proposed. Mr.,

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Mayor, in your interview with

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C.J. D CJD -- that's not a great

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scenario. So, here we are again.

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And we will continue to come

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until this makes sense to us. We

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have come with facts, some of

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which, you acknowledged in your

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interview or your letter.

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Baseball Québec and baseball

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Montréal, guided by the MEES,

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which is the reference for Mr.

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Gilois -- majority of baseball

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fields on the island are not

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fenced. The mayor has added to

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this, specifically, that I have

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not heard a lot from the

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baseball lobby. They have not

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been telling us why they needed

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strenuously either. Can I ask

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anyone here from north you to

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raise their hand, please? Thank

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you. And I believe they're some

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additional people downstairs.

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More residents have signed the

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petition that we are

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circulating. We are at 300, as

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of the -- file to give to the

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123 we submitted last time. The

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registration for baseball West

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Island is 230 players. Now, we

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are exceeding the number of

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players who play baseball, per

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Jennifer award -- 6.5 on the

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agenda is about revising the

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contract. There was some talk

544
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about the contract being-limited

545
00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:14,020
in terms of how much we can

546
00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:19,020
revise, per section 2.1.01 the

547
00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:25,020
contract is amenable up to --

548
00:22:25,020 --> 00:22:27,020
the outfield fence and mesh

549
00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:31,020
total under $115,000, which is

550
00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:33,020
only 12% of the contract. So, it

551
00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:35,020
is within the confines of your

552
00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:36,020
ability within the council to

553
00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:39,020
make the decision to make this

554
00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:41,020
revision. On the morning of

555
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:44,020
Saturday the 27th, a Public

556
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:45,020
Works day, we received an email

557
00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:48,020
from the mayor's office

558
00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:49,020
mentioning that the reasoning

559
00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:53,020
for the fence included injuries

560
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:54,020
related to the outfield and

561
00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:57,020
walking trail. We have actually

562
00:22:57,020 --> 00:22:58,020
requested records of these

563
00:22:58,020 --> 00:22:59,020
injuries multiple times and have

564
00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:01,080
not had any responses. And we

565
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,080
are still very interested. We

566
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,080
obviously don't want anyone to

567
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,080
be hurt. And, lost ball's -- the

568
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,080
mayor's letter mentioned that

569
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,080
the City would put up the fence

570
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,080
and would remain amenable to

571
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,080
suggest that we take the fence

572
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,080
down if, after a year, it has

573
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,080
proven to be too disruptive. As

574
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,080
I am sure you can imagine, to

575
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,080
receive this message was

576
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,080
upsetting. To hear that offence

577
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,080
is going up because of lost

578
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,080
baseballs is beyond

579
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,080
disappointing. We know there are

580
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,080
other reasons. But that was an

581
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,080
interesting point to include.

582
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080
But then to learn that the City

583
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,080
would consider spending almost

584
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,080
$100,000 to erect offence, only

585
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,080
to consider taking it down after

586
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,080
a year, as taxpayers I think I

587
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,080
can speak for a large group of

588
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,080
us -- we demand better. We

589
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,080
should be making decisions based

590
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,080
on empirical data and not on

591
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,080
what it's and nice two haves --

592
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,040
and can be avoided with a

593
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,040
painted line and field

594
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,040
resurfacing, which has already

595
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,040
happened in this part of the

596
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,040
renovations. It does not feel

597
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,040
like the best way to invest

598
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040
public funds and-limited

599
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040
Resources. So, what would we

600
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,040
would propose, instead of

601
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,040
putting the plan for the fence,

602
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,040
we would say, put it on hold

603
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,040
until it has been determined

604
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,040
that defenses truly necessary by

605
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,040
determining that there are in

606
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,040
fact injuries, that there are in

607
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,040
fact issues that are brought up

608
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040
without having this fence.

609
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,040
Because it is not required by

610
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,040
any baseball association, and

611
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,040
the park has existed for decades

612
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,040
with very few instances. So, why

613
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,040
not take the time to make the

614
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,040
right decision, instead of what

615
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040
seems like rushing into what has

616
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,040
become an increasingly unpopular

617
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,040
decision? So, my question

618
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,040
tonight, after all that -- sorry

619
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,040
-- considering that you already

620
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,040
have the contract on the agenda

621
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,040
to discuss, will you listen to

622
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,040
an increasing number of citizens

623
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,000
and put the plan for the

624
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000
outfield fence on pause until

625
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
you can verify it is truly

626
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,000
necessary to spend almost

627
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000
$100,000 of taxpayer funds?

628
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000
>> Okay. To be specific to a few

629
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000
things, the number of players

630
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,000
example is a little off because

631
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
there are players from other

632
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000
parts of the city that will be

633
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
playing in that field. So, it's

634
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,000
for the greater good of baseball

635
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,000
in general. So, it's not just

636
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000
the players, the number that you

637
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,000
have claimed. My feeling on this

638
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000
has been, and will always be,

639
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000
that you can always change

640
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000
things. That is not shared and I

641
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
understand the argument you said

642
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000
about expenditure. And there are

643
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,000
certainly people on Council who

644
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
would agree with you. I am

645
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000
flying solo on that one. I spoke

646
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000
to another mayor. I was in

647
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,000
Toronto when I did that

648
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,000
interview. And I spoke to

649
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,000
another mayor who had gone

650
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000
through the exact same

651
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000
circumstance. And that's, in

652
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000
fact, what he did. And he

653
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,060
offered to deal -- I can give

654
00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:03,060
you examples of the city that I

655
00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:05,060
would like to see changed, and I

656
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:06,060
would still fight to have them

657
00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:10,060
changed. The change of the lower

658
00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:13,060
car chain, where we lost -- for

659
00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:14,060
commercial purposes was, I

660
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:15,060
think, a result that was not

661
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:18,060
very good. I will continue to

662
00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:20,060
lobby against that, with what we

663
00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:22,060
did with a lower car chain

664
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:24,060
changing back to what it was

665
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:26,060
originally, and that's a loss

666
00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:28,060
and an incredible expenditure --

667
00:26:28,060 --> 00:26:29,060
are you going to live in

668
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:33,060
perpetuity with what you think

669
00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:35,060
is a mistake? I've never been a

670
00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:38,060
big fan of the St. Louis bike

671
00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,060
path -- these things go into

672
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:42,060
perpetuity. If they go into

673
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:44,060
perpetuity badly, it might be

674
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:46,060
worth the loss of revenue. We

675
00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:48,060
can still always change things

676
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:49,060
if they don't work for the

677
00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:50,060
community. So, that's my

678
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:51,060
argument there. It's not shared.

679
00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:53,060
And I agree with your point

680
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:54,060
about spending money and maybe

681
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:56,060
not spending money and then

682
00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:57,060
reversing the decision is maybe

683
00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:59,060
not the best way to go. However,

684
00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:01,020
it's better than going into

685
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:04,020
perpetuity with a bad decision

686
00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:07,020
or one that is unacceptable to

687
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:09,020
the west of the population.

688
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:10,020
>> Agreed.

689
00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:11,020
>> -- as for the ultimate

690
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:13,020
decision on it, well, it was

691
00:27:13,020 --> 00:27:15,020
pretty much unanimously voted on

692
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:17,020
by Council. So, I can't speak to

693
00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:21,020
that other than to say, baseball

694
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:25,020
Québec suggested that. Our

695
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:28,020
experts advised it and we are

696
00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:30,020
one of three out of 34 that

697
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:33,020
don't have a fence. 31 other

698
00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:37,020
cities -- I think it's 31 --

699
00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:38,020
>> --

700
00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:39,020
>> Being Pointe-Claire, we like

701
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:41,020
to do things up to code, and

702
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:42,020
that was the decision on

703
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:43,020
Council's part at the outset,

704
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:45,020
and that was the rationale for

705
00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:46,020
doing what we thought was the

706
00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:48,020
right thing to do. So, it

707
00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:50,020
remains up in the air. But it

708
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:51,020
has -- the decision has been

709
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:53,020
made. But that does not mean, in

710
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:56,020
my perspective, as a political

711
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:58,020
-- as a -- political action,

712
00:27:58,020 --> 00:28:00,080
that anything can't be change. I

713
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,080
think anything can be changed.

714
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,080
And that's what I was

715
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,080
expressing.

716
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,080
>> For sure. And I've heard that

717
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,080
multiple times, and I appreciate

718
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080
it, because it does, in fact,

719
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,080
give us a little bit of steam in

720
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,080
our engines. But what is enough?

721
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,080
Now, we have 300 citizens. The

722
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,080
count is still going. I had to

723
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080
leave my house and I was still

724
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,080
getting sign ups. We see the

725
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,080
registration for baseball, as

726
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,080
I've said. The park has

727
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,080
coexisted with baseball for

728
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,080
decades, without incident that

729
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,080
we have learned of. No one has

730
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,080
given us any proof of that. So,

731
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080
our ask is to have a win win

732
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,080
situation, where the citizens

733
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080
who are actively upset -- we

734
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,080
have been here three months in a

735
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,080
row. We are circulating

736
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,080
petitions. We are very much

737
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,080
trying to reason here and be

738
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,080
fair. We want to come up with a

739
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,080
compromise. Baseball can

740
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,080
continue as is. We are just

741
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,080
simply asking that we take away

742
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,080
that outfield fence that so that

743
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,080
we can continue to enjoy our

744
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,080
green space and that our small,

745
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,040
unique neighbourhood park as is.

746
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,040
>> Okay. Well, the short answer

747
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,040
to your question is, enough is

748
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,040
enough for Council to change its

749
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,040
mind. And that will be seen in

750
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,040
the vote.

751
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,040
>> Thank you. I appreciate your

752
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,040
time, again.

753
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,040
>> John kill Patrick

754
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,040
Kilpatrick? I

755
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,040
>> Got evening, Mr. mayor and --

756
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,040
of Pointe-Claire. The questions

757
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040
about tree cutting -- I have

758
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,040
lived in my house for over 35

759
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,040
years. I have got an old tree.

760
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,040
It has had many breaks, many

761
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:51,040
damages to my house, cars. And

762
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,040
in the last two or three months,

763
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,040
with the ice storm, the heavy

764
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,040
winds and even today, I have

765
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,000
major cracks in my tree. I put a

766
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000
request in to the city to have

767
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
it cut down. The inspector came,

768
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000
got out of the car, took a photo

769
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000
of the tree, sent me a refusal,

770
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000
saying the tree is in good

771
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000
shape, and then sent an email

772
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
back to the person and I will --

773
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000
some people, showing the cracks

774
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,000
in the trees tree that are

775
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000
substantial. This is he came

776
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,000
back and said, here are six

777
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000
arborist's that I can go to to

778
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000
get an evaluation. Out of all

779
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
six of them, all the arborists

780
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
are in favour of keeping trees.

781
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
So, I hired one. He came over

782
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
and he looked at the tree and

783
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
gave a finding. The finding is

784
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000
quite simple. There are cracks

785
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,000
in the trees. What their

786
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000
solution is, we will save the

787
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
tree by cabling the tree. And in

788
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,060
five years, determine if the

789
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:02,060
tree should be taken down. So,

790
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:04,060
I'm sort of sitting here going,

791
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:09,060
as you said, throwing money out

792
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:15,060
is wasteful. I would have to pay

793
00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:19,060
$1,000 to cable the tree, and in

794
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:20,060
five years, cut the tree down,

795
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:23,060
at more expense. The cabling is

796
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:26,060
not going to save the tree. The

797
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:28,060
tree is coming apart. It is

798
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,060
falling. It's a crack right down

799
00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:33,060
the main structure. There's

800
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:36,060
cracks down in those. The photos

801
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:38,060
show it. And where it comes down

802
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:41,060
to is this -- if something

803
00:31:41,060 --> 00:31:43,060
happens, whether it is cabled up

804
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:44,060
or not cabled up, and the tree

805
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:46,060
does falter, there is going to

806
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:49,060
be an accident, whether it's

807
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:50,060
hitting my house, hitting the

808
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:51,060
cars, and hopefully not hitting

809
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:53,060
somebody or killing somebody. I

810
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:56,060
am not going to take that

811
00:31:56,060 --> 00:32:00,020
responsibility. So, Mr. Mayor,

812
00:32:00,020 --> 00:32:02,020
what I'm asking you is, can you

813
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:07,020
look into the people that

814
00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:10,020
defined that, no, I shouldn't,

815
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:15,020
which I found out that Giselle

816
00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:17,020
has left the company or left the

817
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:19,020
city, so I don't know where my

818
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:22,020
finalize, to overturn it and let

819
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:24,020
the tree come down --

820
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:27,020
>> Okay. The question is an

821
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:31,020
interesting one. That's for a

822
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:34,020
variety of reasons. I mean, do

823
00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:36,020
we question the arborists? It's

824
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:38,020
what they do. That's don't want

825
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:39,020
to euthanize animals and

826
00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:41,020
arborists don't want to cut down

827
00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:43,020
trees if they don't have to. I

828
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:46,020
think it comes with a job.

829
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:48,020
>> -- does state that there are

830
00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:49,020
major cracks in it.

831
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:51,020
>> But they say that it can be

832
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:53,020
cabled. I've got to tell you --

833
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:55,020
I grew up -- I lived for 30

834
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:57,020
years in a house where the tree

835
00:32:57,020 --> 00:33:01,080
was cables, and it kept growing

836
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,080
and lived a happy life. I don't

837
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,080
know. I can't speak specifically

838
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,080
to yours. What's in question

839
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,080
here is the professional opinion

840
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,080
of the people who took that, and

841
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,080
they certainly know more than

842
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,080
you or I do, and I've got to go

843
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,080
with it, if that's what they do

844
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,080
for a living and they are good

845
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,080
at it. And they are specialists

846
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,080
in tree care.

847
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080
>> So, then, can I turn it a

848
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,080
different way?

849
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,080
>> Yep.

850
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,080
>> If the tree falls down and

851
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080
makes damages, my insurance is

852
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,080
not going to cover it, because

853
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,080
the insurance coverage says, if

854
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,080
you see a falter, you have to

855
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,080
resolve it. I am trying to

856
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,080
resolve it.

857
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,080
>> Okay.

858
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,080
>> So, if there is damage, who

859
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,080
is taking liability?

860
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,080
>> That's a good question. Madam

861
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,080
-- does the city take liability

862
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,080
-- it's not to City tree. Okay.

863
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,080
>> --

864
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,080
>> If it's on a front lawn, and

865
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,080
it falls on vehicles, are we

866
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,040
responsible? Only if it's our

867
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,040
tree? If it's his --

868
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,040
>> There is one more factor.

869
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,040
You're telling me you can't cut

870
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,040
it down. It's a private tree on

871
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,040
private property where the

872
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,040
arborist says that there has to

873
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,040
be measures to keep it --

874
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,040
danger, and somebody has to pay

875
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,040
for it. So, I'm asking the

876
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,040
question about liability. The

877
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,040
city has said has -- denied

878
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,040
permission to cut the tree down,

879
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,040
a private tree. So -- question

880
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,040
-- in that situation, if the

881
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,040
tree falls and hurts somebody,

882
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,040
are we liable?

883
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,040
>> That's what I was asking.

884
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,040
>> It depends on where the tree

885
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,040
is. If it's on your property,

886
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,040
obviously, you are responsible

887
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,040
for your tree. If it is on our

888
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,040
property, on public property, we

889
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,000
are responsible for the trees,

890
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000
unless you did something wrong

891
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
in the maintenance, for

892
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000
instance. So --

893
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000
>> If it is on my property, it

894
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
is my responsibility. Therefore,

895
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,000
I should be able to cut the

896
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,000
tree. Correct?

897
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,000
>> Yeah, I hear you --

898
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000
>> --

899
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
>> That's exactly what --

900
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
>> You need a permit to cut the

901
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
tree.

902
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
>> Correct. But, as you said, if

903
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,000
the trees on my property --

904
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
>> Yes.

905
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
>> -- the permit is for the City

906
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,000
to allow me to cut a tree on my

907
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000
property? Or is it --

908
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000
>> The permit is issued by the

909
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
City to allow you to cut the

910
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
tree on your property, correct.

911
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
>> So, if the City does not

912
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
approve the cutting of the tree

913
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000
--

914
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,000
>> If the City does not approve

915
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,000
the cutting of the tree, who is

916
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,060
responsible for any damages?

917
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:03,060
>> No that's, not the way it

918
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:04,060
works, sir, I'm sorry.

919
00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:06,060
>> If the trees on my property,

920
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:08,060
and it's a danger, and the City

921
00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:10,060
does not give me the rights to

922
00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:13,060
cut the tree, who takes

923
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:14,060
responsibility?

924
00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:16,060
>> I don't want to enter into a

925
00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:18,060
debate with you tonight. But

926
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:19,060
this is a very interesting

927
00:36:19,060 --> 00:36:22,060
question. So, I invite you to

928
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:24,060
call me at my office tomorrow

929
00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:26,060
and I will be pleased to

930
00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:27,060
elaborate.

931
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:32,060
>> -- hold on, Mayor, I believe

932
00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:34,060
you've got my emails. You can

933
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:38,060
pass it over to the lady there.

934
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:39,060
Excuse me? Hello?

935
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:41,060
>> Madame Thibault?

936
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:45,060
>> -- the mayor will send you my

937
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:47,060
emails with all -- the all the

938
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:48,060
documents. And you can come back

939
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:50,060
and tell me what is going on.

940
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:51,060
>> Sure.

941
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:52,060
>> Okay.

942
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:54,060
>> Thank you very much.

943
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:58,060
>> Thanks very much,

944
00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:59,060
- André Barry? Mr. Kilpatrick.

945
00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:04,020
André

946
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:10,020
Babbis? Did I get it right?

947
00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:14,020
>> -- what is below you right

948
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:17,020
here, the windmill. On the sign

949
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:19,020
here, as you know, the windmill

950
00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:21,020
is our emblem, the emblem of the

951
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,020
City of Pointe-Claire -- which

952
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:24,020
we were once proud of. And over

953
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:26,020
the 40 years, I've seen it

954
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:31,020
slowly, slowly fall apart. The

955
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:32,020
picture has its four original

956
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:33,020
panels. They actually work. Now

957
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:36,020
it has won half panel. There is

958
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:38,020
even a yellow police tape around

959
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:41,020
it to keep people around away

960
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:42,020
from it because they are afraid

961
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:44,020
snow might fall off it. In

962
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:49,020
contrast with this, Mr. Mayor

963
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:53,020
and Council, the City of

964
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:55,020
Île-Perrot has -- they've made

965
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:56,020
it a tourist attraction. They

966
00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:58,020
have guided tours. I would

967
00:37:58,020 --> 00:37:59,020
invite you to look at their

968
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:01,080
website, which is very well

969
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,080
done. They have financial

970
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,080
partners. My question, Mr.

971
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Mayor, does the city have a plan

972
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,080
to repair this windmill and get

973
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,080
it back to its original state?

974
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,080
We

975
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,080
>> Are very close.

976
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,080
>> --

977
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,080
>> We are very close. We have

978
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,080
been working on it for about a

979
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,080
year now. We are working out the

980
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,080
details on it. I might point

981
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,080
out, though, also, that I think

982
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,080
in all the Perreault Île-Perrot

983
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,080
--

984
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,080
>> No, it's owned by the

985
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,080
Government of Québec --

986
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,080
>> That is the difference.

987
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,080
>> That is the difference.

988
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,080
>> -- I asked if the city was

989
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,080
planning to buy the windmill,

990
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,080
and she said, no. There is no

991
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,080
plan to buy it. Is that correct?

992
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,080
>> Well, there have been

993
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,080
attempts. There has been a hard

994
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,080
time dividing the property of

995
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,080
the convent and the windmill in

996
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,040
a separate sales items. So, they

997
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,040
have tended to go together. And

998
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,040
the archdiocese has not wanted

999
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,040
to sell the entire property, nor

1000
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,040
does the city probably want to

1001
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,040
purchase the whole thing. But

1002
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,040
have been some attempts in the

1003
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,040
past. I don't know them

1004
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,040
specifically. There have been

1005
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,040
attempts. So, we have arranged

1006
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040
-- organize to arrange a deal

1007
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,040
which will circumvent that. And

1008
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,040
we are trying to finalize it. We

1009
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,040
are getting close. It is not

1010
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,040
there yet. But there are some

1011
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040
details to be worked out.

1012
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,040
>> In my previous life as a

1013
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,040
lawyer, has you considered a new

1014
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,040
-- a long term lease? Such as --

1015
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,040
property, apparently belongs to

1016
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,040
the Franciscan's, believe it or

1017
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,040
not. They gave it for a 99

1018
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,040
renewable long term lease -- the

1019
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,040
concept could be interesting for

1020
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,040
the city and you don't have to

1021
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,040
bail out money to buy it. You

1022
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,040
least for a certain amount every

1023
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,040
year and then you have the

1024
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,040
possession and you can compare

1025
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,040
it.

1026
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,000
>> Yeah. It would, of course,

1027
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
depend on the amount.

1028
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
>> -- you are saying we are very

1029
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,000
close. So, we can expect

1030
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,000
something --

1031
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,000
>> Well, we will see. We can

1032
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,000
expect something one way or the

1033
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000
other --

1034
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000
>> -- the periodic please might

1035
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000
be a answer to the solution. A

1036
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,000
question, a different subject --

1037
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
leaves blowers. Our neighbour

1038
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
has four of them coming in every

1039
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
two weeks, three weeks in the

1040
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,000
summer. Not only to blow leads

1041
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000
but to blow grass. So, they've

1042
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000
-- for Un bruit infernal. About

1043
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000
two hours. You see, Beaconsfield

1044
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,000
has a lot of them. -- electrical

1045
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,000
ones, at certain times. Has the

1046
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
city consider doing something

1047
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
about some kind of a

1048
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,000
>> It's a debate. It's up there

1049
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
with -- there are a few --

1050
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,060
>> --

1051
00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:01,060
>> Speed bumps are debates. Leaf

1052
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:03,060
blowers are debates.

1053
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:04,060
>> Okay.

1054
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:05,060
>> These are all items that are

1055
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:07,060
there that are up for debate. It

1056
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:09,060
remains to be seen. I am not a

1057
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:12,060
huge fan of them myself, the gas

1058
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:13,060
powered ones. But I can't speak

1059
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:15,060
for --

1060
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:16,060
>> Electrical ones make one

1061
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:19,060
tenth the noise. So, that might

1062
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:22,060
also be way less noisy than the

1063
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:24,060
gas ones. It could be an

1064
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:25,060
intermediate solution.

1065
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:27,060
>> It's a good suggestion. I'm

1066
00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:31,060
not against it.

1067
00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:32,060
>> --

1068
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:34,060
>> A third one --

1069
00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:39,060
>> And then I'm through -- the

1070
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:41,060
coronation of traffic lights on

1071
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:42,060
Saint John --

1072
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:45,060
>> Guys, guys --

1073
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:46,060
>> This is what I'm told, this

1074
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:47,060
is what I'm told --

1075
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:50,060
>> There is no one there

1076
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:51,060
sometimes. It's recurrent all

1077
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:53,060
the time. And yet, one street

1078
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:56,060
over that way, one street over

1079
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:58,060
that way, no problem --

1080
00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:00,020
>> They are not perfect, though.

1081
00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:03,020
Everyone --

1082
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:04,020
>> Perfectly synchronized --

1083
00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:08,020
>> Saint John seems to be --

1084
00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:09,020
having driven all three I have

1085
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:11,020
not noticed that.

1086
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:12,020
>> Point Saint John --

1087
00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:14,020
>> I find red lights on all

1088
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:16,020
three of them. I've stopped on

1089
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:18,020
all three of them but from what

1090
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:21,020
I am told and I am not an expert

1091
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:23,020
-- disinclination is there but

1092
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:25,020
when I walk signal is push it

1093
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:26,020
throws off the synchronization.

1094
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:29,020
This is what I have been told by

1095
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:31,020
my experts. I hear you, though.

1096
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:34,020
>> Anyways --

1097
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:37,020
>> Sorry, you can only

1098
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:38,020
synchronize one side at a time

1099
00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:40,020
too. Like, you can't have all

1100
00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:41,020
the lights green going north and

1101
00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:43,020
south at the same time. It

1102
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:45,020
doesn't work that way.

1103
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:47,020
>> Okay. Okay.

1104
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:48,020
>> Because then all the lights

1105
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:50,020
would just be green, endless,

1106
00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:51,020
only going north and south and

1107
00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:53,020
never going east and west. So,

1108
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:54,020
that is a problem. We have had

1109
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:59,020
had DDO DDOs -- so that the

1110
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,080
entire length of Saint-Jean's is

1111
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,080
well coordinated. But what I

1112
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,080
found is, it depends on where

1113
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,080
you are coming, from and the

1114
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,080
time. They have been planned

1115
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,080
for, I guess, peak traffic times

1116
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,080
but. If you are coming off the

1117
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,080
40 westbound going south, then

1118
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,080
-- yes -- you get red lights all

1119
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,080
the way down. That is

1120
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,080
guaranteed. That is just how

1121
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:28,080
they are sink

1122
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,080
synced -- but also, when someone

1123
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,080
pushes the cross, it throws --

1124
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,080
>> -- and it does not happen..

1125
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,080
>> It's because we have

1126
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,080
pedestrian priority.

1127
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,080
>> But there is less pedestrians

1128
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,080
on both those streets?

1129
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,080
>> No, we have pedestrian

1130
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,080
priority and they don't

1131
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,080
necessarily have pedestrian

1132
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
priority.

1133
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,080
>> Anyways -- thanks for your

1134
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,080
time.

1135
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,080
>> Thank you, Mr. Babbis --

1136
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,080
>> I will be looking forward to

1137
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:03,040
a -- on the --

1138
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,040
>> David MacLachlan?

1139
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,040
,

1140
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,040
>> Good evening. I'm here to

1141
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,040
follow up on a question that I

1142
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,040
had at the beginning of 2022,

1143
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,040
with climate change. At that

1144
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,040
time, in the Council's attention

1145
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,040
-- the inter governmental panel

1146
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,040
on climate change. It calls for

1147
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,040
radical action to limit

1148
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,040
greenhouse gases, specifically

1149
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,040
the IPCC states that emissions

1150
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,040
need to be reduced by 45%

1151
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,040
compared with 2010 levels in

1152
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,040
order to limit global

1153
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,040
temperature increases to --

1154
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,040
degrees Celsius. I was

1155
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,040
disappointed with the response

1156
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,040
that I received in 2022. Because

1157
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,040
it stopped short of

1158
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,040
acknowledging that radical

1159
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,000
action was necessary.

1160
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Nonetheless, there was an

1161
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000
acknowledgement that the City

1162
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000
needs to do better, which was

1163
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000
better than nothing. Since then,

1164
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
the situation has gotten worse

1165
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
and there is now, in the past

1166
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
week, we learned that there are

1167
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
parts of California where you

1168
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000
cannot ensure your house anymore

1169
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,000
because of wildfires. -- here in

1170
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Québec -- the wild fires

1171
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,000
earlier, but you neglected to

1172
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000
mention one of the -- important

1173
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,000
factors. I will quote an article

1174
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
from CTV. It's a simple fact

1175
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
that Canada is experiencing the

1176
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
impacts of climate change,

1177
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
including more and more extreme

1178
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,000
wildfires. Said natural

1179
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000
resources minister Minister

1180
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Jonathan Wilson Wilkinson --

1181
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
projected projected to double by

1182
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,000
-- changing climate, causing

1183
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000
longer, more intense wildfire

1184
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,000
seasons and more extreme -- and

1185
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,000
increasing drought. -- smoke

1186
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,060
from wildfires my question is,

1187
00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:02,060
what specific actions has the

1188
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:05,060
city taken in the last year to

1189
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:07,060
reduce its greenhouse gas

1190
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:08,060
emissions?

1191
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:10,060
>> What have we done? We have

1192
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:11,060
been very diligent on preventing

1193
00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:13,060
the cutting of trees, which is

1194
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:16,060
substantial. We have moved to

1195
00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:18,060
electric vehicles as much as we

1196
00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:20,060
can. We have tried to ensure

1197
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:22,060
environmental building practices

1198
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:25,060
on new constructions. These are

1199
00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:26,060
a few that I can come up with. I

1200
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:31,060
am sure there are more.

1201
00:46:31,060 --> 00:46:35,060
>> Those are the ones that --

1202
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:36,060
>> What does that --

1203
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:39,060
>> -- apparently, if every

1204
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:40,060
person stop a tree from being

1205
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:42,060
cut, we could save the world, we

1206
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:44,060
could say the ozone layer, we

1207
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:46,060
could save everything.

1208
00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:47,060
Apparently, trees can save our

1209
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:49,060
lives and not cutting them is

1210
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:51,060
one of the -- far greater than

1211
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:52,060
producing these of the

1212
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:56,060
automobile. And --

1213
00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:59,060
>> You are absolutely mistaken.

1214
00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:00,020
I don't think so.

1215
00:47:00,020 --> 00:47:03,020
>> It would take three times the

1216
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:06,020
size of Pointe-Claire planted

1217
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:08,020
with trees to cancel out the

1218
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:10,020
emissions that we generate. --

1219
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:12,020
we don't have an area three

1220
00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:13,020
times the area of Pointe-Claire.

1221
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:15,020
What we need to do in this city

1222
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:17,020
is reduce our greenhouse gas

1223
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:19,020
emissions. And that is what my

1224
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:22,020
question was about. My follow-up

1225
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:24,020
question is, do you think we are

1226
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:25,020
doing enough?

1227
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:27,020
>> No. We can keep, going

1228
00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:29,020
absolutely. There are all kinds

1229
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:30,020
of technologies that we can use

1230
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:32,020
to reduce greenhouse gas

1231
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:33,020
emissions. And they have not

1232
00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:36,020
been implemented yet. Many -- we

1233
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:38,020
can go to electric leaf blowers

1234
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:40,020
as opposed to gas once. There

1235
00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:42,020
are many ways we can reduce. We

1236
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:44,020
could have natural gardens on

1237
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:46,020
all of our front lawns. That's a

1238
00:47:46,020 --> 00:47:48,020
nice way -- there are many, many

1239
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:49,020
--

1240
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:50,020
>> Sorry -- greenhouse gas

1241
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:51,020
emissions --

1242
00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:53,020
>> You create more greenery and

1243
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:55,020
therefore you increase the

1244
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:59,020
oxygen levels and less -- it's

1245
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,080
been proven, has it not? I mean,

1246
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,080
that's what most

1247
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,080
environmentalist have taught me.

1248
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,080
I'm not an expert but --

1249
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,080
>> --

1250
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,080
>> I think solving the problem

1251
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,080
requires individual efforts of

1252
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,080
everybody around the world on a

1253
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,080
constant basis. -- that's why we

1254
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,080
were cycle properly. That's why

1255
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,080
we do things in our homes

1256
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,080
individually. And I was at a

1257
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,080
meeting this morning about water

1258
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,080
consumption and how you just

1259
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,080
reduce a dripping tap. You can

1260
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,080
preserve so much water in one

1261
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,080
home. And if citizens across all

1262
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,080
cities or countries can reduce

1263
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,080
the dripping tap it would have a

1264
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,080
huge impact. So, fighting

1265
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,080
environmental -- or trying to

1266
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,080
prevent the environmental crisis

1267
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,080
is all about responsibility in

1268
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,080
every individual that we can on

1269
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,080
a constant basis. And

1270
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,080
denigrating any attempt by

1271
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
anyone to do so defeats the

1272
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,080
purpose, Mr. McGill aqua.

1273
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,040
McLaughlin

1274
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,040
>> --

1275
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,040
>> --

1276
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,040
>> Do you?

1277
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,040
>> NASA, for example, published

1278
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,040
a study looking at what we would

1279
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:12,040
have to do as a society to

1280
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,040
cancel out -- greenhouse gas

1281
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,040
emissions down to -- they looked

1282
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,040
at what it would take on a

1283
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,040
worldwide basis. They concluded

1284
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,040
that if we reinforced it every

1285
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,040
possible corner of the planet,

1286
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,040
it would provide about 20 years

1287
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,040
of greenhouse gas emissions. We

1288
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,040
don't have that kind of real

1289
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,040
estate in Pointe-Claire. What we

1290
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,040
do have is a lot of cars and, in

1291
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,040
my view, what we need to do is

1292
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,040
stop using so many cars. And we

1293
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,040
need to cut down on the energy

1294
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,040
that is consumed by our

1295
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,040
buildings by telling people that

1296
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,040
they can solve the problem by

1297
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,040
planting nice gardens, you are

1298
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,040
avoiding the real problem.

1299
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,000
>> It's not avoiding. It's one

1300
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,000
way you can solve it. One of

1301
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000
many ways you can solve it. And

1302
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,000
by precluding all other ways is

1303
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,000
not the solution either. I

1304
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,000
think, if anybody can, in any

1305
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,000
way, shape, or form, then they

1306
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,000
should do so. And to denigrate

1307
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000
any of them and say, others are

1308
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,000
more important, is limiting all

1309
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,000
of our attempts to save the

1310
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,000
planet, in my opinion, sir.

1311
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,000
-- Conway?

1312
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,000
>> Good evening, Mayor Thomas,

1313
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,000
Council. So, I participated in

1314
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,000
the -- workshop with the new

1315
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,000
planning program, with the firm

1316
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Pour l'enregistrement,

1317
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000
pouvez-vous être plus proche du

1318
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,060
micro?

1319
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:16,060
-- anything of what I said?

1320
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:17,060
>> We'll --

1321
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:19,060
>> Start again?

1322
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:21,060
>> Start again, why not.

1323
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,060
>> I participate in the --

1324
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:25,060
planning program, with the firm

1325
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:27,060
PC2. And the first topic,

1326
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:28,060
actually, was -- I'm going to

1327
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:30,060
touch on the previous subject.

1328
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:32,060
The first question or topic was

1329
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:33,060
about bicycles. So, here's a

1330
00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:35,060
question about how many people

1331
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:38,060
bike as a main mode of

1332
00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:40,060
transportation. And then, I

1333
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:44,060
noticed, after that conversation

1334
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:47,060
spilled in social media. So, I

1335
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:49,060
think biking is wonderful. But,

1336
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:50,060
actually, I have kind of given

1337
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:53,060
up on biking to cross the

1338
00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:56,060
highways, 40 and 20, because the

1339
00:51:56,060 --> 00:51:57,060
condition is too -- I would go

1340
00:51:57,060 --> 00:52:00,020
with my family biking until it

1341
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:02,020
bizarre

1342
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:13,020
L'île-Bizard -- I think it's

1343
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:14,020
wonderful to be able to bike.

1344
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:17,020
But I don't bike, also, when

1345
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:18,020
it's raining or winter, or very

1346
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:20,020
cold. So, I can't do that. But I

1347
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:22,020
think the idea of biking is very

1348
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,020
good. And -- on the topic,

1349
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:28,020
previously, how about when you

1350
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:29,020
consider building new condos,

1351
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:31,020
how about instead of allocating

1352
00:52:31,020 --> 00:52:33,020
a parking spot, why don't we

1353
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:36,020
give tenants biking spots? That

1354
00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:38,020
could help with our situation.

1355
00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:40,020
>> Is that your question?

1356
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:41,020
>> --

1357
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:43,020
>> That's already happening and

1358
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:44,020
--

1359
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:45,020
>> --

1360
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,020
>> There are already biking

1361
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:47,020
spots. And I agree with you,

1362
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:49,020
there need to be more of them. I

1363
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:51,020
also agree -- and also to speak

1364
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:53,020
to Mr. McLaughlin's point, we've

1365
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:57,020
also done a fair amount of bike

1366
00:52:57,020 --> 00:52:58,020
paths recently, which is one of

1367
00:52:58,020 --> 00:53:02,080
the many ways that -- and

1368
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,080
Councillor Tremblay Spence's

1369
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,080
life on a bike, most of the

1370
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,080
time. More so than me. I have a

1371
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,080
problem in Pointe-Claire going

1372
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,080
south -- and you are going over

1373
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,080
the 40 or 20, it's tricky. But,

1374
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,080
I'm sorry, I digress.

1375
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,080
>> So, is there a situation for

1376
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,080
how there could be a solution

1377
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,080
rather when it's raining or very

1378
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,080
cold or winter, snowing? There's

1379
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,080
30 centimetres. I don't know how

1380
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,080
people can continue to use

1381
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,080
biking as their main mode of

1382
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,080
transportation in those

1383
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,080
situations. I don't know -- it's

1384
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,080
not an answer tonight, but the

1385
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,080
--

1386
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,080
>> Well, they are developing

1387
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,080
bikes that can actually do it.

1388
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,080
There are bikes you can ride

1389
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,080
right through the winter and

1390
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,080
they are getting quite good at

1391
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,080
it.

1392
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,080
>> Okay.

1393
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,080
>> It's whether you are sturdy

1394
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,080
enough as a human being to do

1395
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,080
it. That's the issue.

1396
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,080
>> And how about easing some of

1397
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,080
the traffic on Saint-Jean's?

1398
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,040
We've got the streets -- and

1399
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,040
still view and Del Mar. If you

1400
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,040
open up still view through the

1401
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,040
highway to Somerset, and if you

1402
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,040
open up Del Mar through the --

1403
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,040
it will ease up some of the

1404
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,040
traffic on Saint-Jean because

1405
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,040
all the construction that

1406
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,040
happened is -- and L'île-Bizard,

1407
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,040
it just brought more traffic on

1408
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,040
Saint-Jean. So, why is this

1409
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,040
never done or has it ever been

1410
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,040
considered? Is there going to be

1411
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,040
a day when it is done?

1412
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,040
>> It's a good question. Not

1413
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:35,040
that I can see on the horizon.

1414
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,040
Certainly on the L'île-Bizard --

1415
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,040
extension is one that has been

1416
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,040
on the books for a long, long

1417
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,040
time, and would be a huge want

1418
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,040
to help us alleviate the strain

1419
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,040
on Saint-Jean's -- the others I

1420
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,040
am not sure of. I know that

1421
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,040
often gets used a lot,

1422
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,040
unfortunately, to circumvent a

1423
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,040
lot of the Saint-Jean

1424
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,040
circulation. I don't don't know

1425
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,000
about the extensions of the

1426
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,000
others. Do any of you -- Madam

1427
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,000
--

1428
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,000
>> Not that I know. The other

1429
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
one was L'île-Bizard --

1430
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,000
discussed a couple of years ago.

1431
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,000
>> So, not that I know of.

1432
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,000
>> So --

1433
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,000
>> The L'île-Bizard -- the most

1434
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
--

1435
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000
>> On -- Saint-Jean because it's

1436
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000
the most treacherous --

1437
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
>> Yes, it is.

1438
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,000
>> -- it's kind of said that we

1439
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000
are being encouraged to bike.

1440
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,000
But I'm just biking around my

1441
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,000
own neighbourhood.

1442
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,000
>> North to south in

1443
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
Pointe-Claire, even on public

1444
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
transit, is it difficult. -- so,

1445
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,000
we have to resolve that.

1446
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,000
Somehow, going forward, we have

1447
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,000
to -- I think Jacques-Bizard is

1448
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,000
a hugely important one. The cars

1449
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,000
everything is going to

1450
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,000
bottleneck in Pointe-Claire if

1451
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,000
we don't do that. So, it's a

1452
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,000
serious issue.

1453
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,060
>> Okay. Thank you for listening

1454
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:02,060
to my question.

1455
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:04,060
>> -- comments with regard to

1456
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:06,060
those questions and, in a way,

1457
00:56:06,060 --> 00:56:08,060
answer part of McLaughlin's

1458
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:10,060
comments, statements. So, I do

1459
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:11,060
ride my bike quite a bit around

1460
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:13,060
town. I have been doing that

1461
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:16,060
since I was a teenager, whenever

1462
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:18,060
I could ride it. The solution is

1463
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:19,060
pretty simple when it comes to

1464
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:22,060
bikes. It's by a helmet, get a

1465
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:25,060
bike, and just get out there,

1466
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:26,060
and start moving along. It's a

1467
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:29,060
lot easier than you think. The

1468
00:56:29,060 --> 00:56:30,060
bike path network that we have

1469
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:32,060
out here in Pointe-Claire is

1470
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:34,060
beginning to improve

1471
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:35,060
substantially, thanks to work

1472
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:38,060
that was done by previous

1473
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:39,060
administrations. And hopefully,

1474
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:41,060
we can add to that. One of the

1475
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:42,060
things that I shared with

1476
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:44,060
council members recently is, I

1477
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:46,060
actually followed some of the

1478
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:47,060
paths that took me out of the

1479
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:49,060
way from riding in a direct line

1480
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:50,060
to where I wanted to go. And I

1481
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:53,060
was able to avoid cars, simply

1482
00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:54,060
by following these different

1483
00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:57,060
paths. So, what we are really

1484
00:56:57,060 --> 00:56:59,060
missing north-south, as

1485
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:00,020
everybody has talked about --

1486
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:03,020
the good news is, we are in a

1487
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:06,020
position now, if I remember, Mr.

1488
00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:08,020
Mayor, regarding the bridge --

1489
00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:10,020
that we have, now, with the

1490
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:11,020
federal government, acquired

1491
00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:14,020
funding that will help us to

1492
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:16,020
develop a path for foot traffic

1493
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:21,020
and four bikes as well. So, the

1494
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:24,020
more people out there on bikes,

1495
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:26,020
the higher the volume of people

1496
00:57:26,020 --> 00:57:28,020
riding that way. If you are cars

1497
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:32,020
there will be -- it becomes

1498
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:35,020
contagious, in some ways.

1499
00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:38,020
Everybody else wants to get on

1500
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:39,020
and start writing. I would

1501
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:43,020
encourage -- to do that. As far

1502
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:46,020
as climate change -- hopefully

1503
00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:48,020
walked or took your bike. I am

1504
00:57:48,020 --> 00:57:50,020
aware that you have two cars. Is

1505
00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:53,020
it just one? Just going from

1506
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:54,020
your place and talking to -- I

1507
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:57,020
know you. But one of the --

1508
00:57:57,020 --> 00:57:58,020
>> --

1509
00:57:58,020 --> 00:58:02,080
>> I'm sorry? I meant it as a --

1510
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,080
>> Excuse me, Councillor -- that

1511
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,080
is not your call.

1512
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,080
>> --

1513
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,080
>> That's not your co-, sir.

1514
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,080
>> This was not meant as a

1515
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,080
criticism of Mr. McLaughlin. We

1516
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,080
have to do what we have to do in

1517
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,080
life. But one of the ways to

1518
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
circumvent the problem is to --

1519
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,080
take the STM as much as you

1520
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,080
possibly can. It's not a

1521
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,080
complete solution. -- there's so

1522
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,080
much to discuss. I don't want to

1523
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,080
take -- to go over the climate

1524
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,080
change issues. But I just

1525
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,080
encourage everybody, the next

1526
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,080
time you come out to one of

1527
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,080
these meetings, walk or take a

1528
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,080
bike. And that will contribute

1529
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,080
to -- the other last point I

1530
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,080
would like to make is

1531
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,080
collaboration with the other

1532
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,080
cities so that we could work

1533
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,080
more effectively at pressuring

1534
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,080
the powers that be,

1535
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,080
provincially, federally, in some

1536
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,080
ways, truly organize ourselves

1537
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,080
property in mass transit.

1538
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,040
>> When into take that seriously

1539
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,040
and start investing seriously

1540
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,040
and that dome in.

1541
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,040
>> Thank you. We

1542
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,040
>> I would like to answer. You

1543
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,040
are seeing put your helmet and

1544
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,040
go, but, like, my point was,

1545
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,040
there are risks. Last year, I

1546
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,040
almost got hit by a bus on

1547
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,040
Lakeshore. My family was behind

1548
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,040
me. So, there are risks. Every

1549
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,040
year, we hear about people

1550
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,040
getting hit and, you know,

1551
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,040
accidents. So, that was my

1552
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,040
point, to make things safer,

1553
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,040
before we can just put the

1554
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,040
helmet and go. As it is now,

1555
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,040
it's just around my little

1556
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,040
neighbourhood where I feel

1557
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,040
safest. I'm not really, I can't

1558
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,040
really go get my groceries. I

1559
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,040
can't go to maxi and go get my

1560
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,040
groceries biking.

1561
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,040
>> You can. I mean, you can do

1562
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,040
it. It's not easy, but you can

1563
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,040
do it. I can get to a maxi, I

1564
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:58,040
can't from Pointe-Claire south.

1565
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,040
I understand.

1566
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,000
>> If I were to take my family

1567
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,000
with me, you know, I'm concerned

1568
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,000
about my kids in the back. Susan

1569
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,000
Wilson?

1570
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,000
Bonjour, je n'ai pas besoin de

1571
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,000
dire mon, non si vous avez dit

1572
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,000
mon nom. Il y avait une réunion,

1573
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,000
vous étiez censé l'avoir au

1574
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,000
début de l'année avec la Ville

1575
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,000
de Montréal, pour la fluos

1576
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000
réalise, la fluoration de l'eau

1577
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,000
à Pointe-Claire.

1578
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,000
- Quelle réunion?

1579
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,000
- Vous auriez eu une réunion.

1580
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,000
- On a parlé avec

1581
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,000
l'agglomération au sujet de

1582
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000
l'eau fluorée, oui. Nous sommes

1583
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
responsables.

1584
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,060
- Vous étiez supposé revenir.

1585
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:02,060
- On a déjà donné toute cette

1586
01:01:02,060 --> 01:01:03,060
information.

1587
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:04,060
- Je ne l'ai pas eu, moi.

1588
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:05,060
C'était au début de cette année

1589
01:01:05,060 --> 01:01:08,060
cette réunion.

1590
01:01:08,060 --> 01:01:09,060
- On a parlé plusieurs fois de

1591
01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:10,060
ça. Je n'ai pas les faits devant

1592
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:12,060
moi.

1593
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:15,060
Je peux les trouver encore une

1594
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:17,060
fois.

1595
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:18,060
- Grosso modo, qu'est-ce qui est

1596
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:20,060
arrivé?

1597
01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:23,060
- C'est le même résultat que

1598
01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:26,060
toujours. La science est dans le

1599
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:29,060
domaine de l'agglomération qui

1600
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:30,060
sont responsables de la Floride

1601
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:33,060
ça scions à Pointe-Claire.

1602
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:34,060
- Vous avez dit que c'est allé

1603
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:38,060
maire de chaque municipalité qui

1604
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:39,060
décidait.

1605
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:41,060
- Non, c'est l'agglomération qui

1606
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:42,060
décide.

1607
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:43,060
- La décision revenait au maire?

1608
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:45,060
- Non. La décision finale, assez

1609
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:46,060
l'agglomération. Absolument.

1610
01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:51,060
- O.K.. Ma deuxième question.

1611
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:53,060
Vous faites des assemblage pour

1612
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:55,060
économiser l'eau. Est-ce que

1613
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:58,060
c'est possible d'en faire

1614
01:01:58,060 --> 01:01:59,060
anti-fluor pour ceux qui n'en

1615
01:01:59,060 --> 01:02:00,020
veulent pas?

1616
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:01,020
- Bonne question, si la science

1617
01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:04,020
existe, c'est possible.

1618
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:05,020
- Il y en a une, c'est l'osmose

1619
01:02:05,020 --> 01:02:07,020
à l'inverse.

1620
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:13,020
Je ne peux pas dire non, j'ai

1621
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:14,020
aucune idée. On peut peut-être

1622
01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:16,020
faire une recherche.

1623
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:17,020
- Osmose inverse.

1624
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:21,020
- Si c'est facile.

1625
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:23,020
- Je ne sais pas si vous avez

1626
01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:24,020
autre chose.

1627
01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:27,020
- Sait-on jamais. On peut faire

1628
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:29,020
la recherche.

1629
01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:31,020
- Vous reviendrez avec ça pour

1630
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:33,020
la prochaine réunion.

1631
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:34,020
- Peut-être, oui, ça dépend de

1632
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:38,020
l'administration. On va chercher

1633
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:40,020
si c'est trop cher, si c'est

1634
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:43,020
possible, si ça existe, si c'est

1635
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:45,020
indisponible. Sait-on jamais.

1636
01:02:45,020 --> 01:02:46,020
- O.K., c'est tout.

1637
01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:49,020
- Merci

1638
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:54,020
>> Kim Freeman?

1639
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:58,020
>> Hi, everybody. I've got a

1640
01:02:58,020 --> 01:02:59,020
short preamble, but before I

1641
01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:02,080
start, I would like to say that

1642
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:06,080
I agree that it's about time.

1643
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,080
Climate change, there's not one

1644
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,080
solution, but many. We need to

1645
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,080
get rid of greenhouse gases,

1646
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,080
plant trees, and native plant

1647
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:19,080
gardens can do a lot. Just left!

1648
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,080
Anyway, if anybody wants to see

1649
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,080
what's going on in my yard, you

1650
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:25,080
are all welcome. 165 sunnyside.

1651
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,080
Now, also, I did a talk at the

1652
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,080
library on May 17th and it's up

1653
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,080
on Vimeo finally. Denis just

1654
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,080
called us today, so if you want

1655
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,080
to have a look at that, go for

1656
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,080
it. Or come and visit, that is

1657
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,080
good. Okay, now, by way of

1658
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,080
introduction, my name is Kim

1659
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,080
Freeman. I live at 165 sunnyside

1660
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,080
Avenue near Arthur Seguin Park.

1661
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,080
I'm one of Cynthia's kids. We've

1662
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,080
lived there for 42 years. My

1663
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,080
husband's family moved to

1664
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,080
Pointe-Claire in 1946. They

1665
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,080
bought the lakeshore news and

1666
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,080
publish the award winning

1667
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,080
newspaper for more than 30

1668
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,040
years. We even had a relative

1669
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,040
who came to Pointe-Claire after

1670
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,040
the American revolution and

1671
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,040
opened an apothecary at the

1672
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,040
village in the 1970s. Our roots

1673
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,040
here are deep. We love living in

1674
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,040
Pointe-Claire and care about it

1675
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,040
deeply, for its future. More and

1676
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,040
more, I feel that we must take

1677
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,040
another direction with regards

1678
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,040
to environmental statements,

1679
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,040
sustainability. Terracotta and

1680
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,040
the butterfly and pollinator

1681
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,040
gardens are great initiatives to

1682
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,040
educate citizens, and we need to

1683
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,040
expand on that. The fact is,

1684
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,040
don't hate me for this, the fact

1685
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,040
is, Lance are simply not good

1686
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,040
for the environment. That is not

1687
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,040
an easy thing to wrap peoples

1688
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,040
heads around, especially those

1689
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,040
who love their lawns, and I get

1690
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,040
it. I was raised in a house with

1691
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,040
a nice lawn, as well as my

1692
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,040
husband. My conversion to a

1693
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,040
large native garden was very

1694
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,040
gradual, almost incremental. It

1695
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,040
took a lot of research and soul

1696
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,040
searching to admit that Lance

1697
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,040
are, in essence, detrimental for

1698
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,040
the environment. Lawns are the

1699
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,040
most irrigated crop in North

1700
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,040
America. In the U.S., more gases

1701
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,040
spilled filling long care

1702
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,000
devices every summer than it was

1703
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
lost in the Exxon Valdez

1704
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,000
disaster. That's every summer.

1705
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,000
Turf grass, which makes up the

1706
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,000
bulk of Lance, has very short

1707
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,000
root systems, which require a

1708
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000
lot of water to keep them

1709
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,000
looking lush and green. Sadly,

1710
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,000
much of that water simply runs

1711
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,000
off the lawn and does not soak

1712
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,000
in. We here in Pointe-Claire are

1713
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,000
fortunate enough to live in one

1714
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,000
of the richest countries on the

1715
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
planet and in one of the most

1716
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,000
prosperous and privileged

1717
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,000
communities in Canada. It is

1718
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,000
incumbent on us to do our own

1719
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,000
part to mitigate the effects of

1720
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,000
climate change. All one has to

1721
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000
do is look around and see the

1722
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,000
devastation brought by the

1723
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
hundreds of ongoing forest fires

1724
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,000
across Canada. While we are

1725
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
lucky enough to have plentiful

1726
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,000
clean water now, this will most

1727
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,000
likely not be the case in the

1728
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,000
future. My point is that if

1729
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,000
people want their lawns, so be

1730
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,000
it. But I do not believe

1731
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Pointe-Claire should make any

1732
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,000
attempt to legislate the efforts

1733
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,000
of those who want to do

1734
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,000
something more environmentally

1735
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,000
responsible with the property

1736
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,000
that surrounds their house. Any

1737
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,000
such bylaw would be cumbersome

1738
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,060
for the City to administer and

1739
01:06:00,060 --> 01:06:02,060
police. It would only serve to

1740
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:03,060
discourage many residents from

1741
01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:06,060
even trying. Rather, I would

1742
01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:08,060
encourage the City to educate

1743
01:06:08,060 --> 01:06:09,060
the assist homeowners in such an

1744
01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:11,060
endeavour. There are many such

1745
01:06:11,060 --> 01:06:12,060
programs throughout the world

1746
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:14,060
and this trend is only getting

1747
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:16,060
started. Developing native

1748
01:06:16,060 --> 01:06:17,060
pollinator gardens can be

1749
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:19,060
equally beautiful, as any lawn

1750
01:06:19,060 --> 01:06:21,060
and incredibly satisfying.

1751
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:23,060
Finally, if we do not do it,

1752
01:06:23,060 --> 01:06:25,060
then who will? My question is

1753
01:06:25,060 --> 01:06:27,060
the following. What is the city

1754
01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:29,060
planning to do with if anything

1755
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:31,060
regarding the natural native,

1756
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:33,060
excuse me, pollinator gardens

1757
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:34,060
that citizens have developed or

1758
01:06:34,060 --> 01:06:36,060
might want to develop? Thank

1759
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:38,060
you.

1760
01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:39,060
>> Okay, well, I can't speak for

1761
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:41,060
all of Council on that one, but

1762
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:43,060
I think there are many,

1763
01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:45,060
including the mayor, who very

1764
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:47,060
much like the possibility of

1765
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:48,060
natural gardens. I think they

1766
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:49,060
are one of the solutions which I

1767
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:50,060
was giving to Mr. McLeod Flynn

1768
01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:55,060
as well. Which I think is quite

1769
01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:58,060
important. And one way as

1770
01:06:58,060 --> 01:07:00,020
citizens we can do it, and I've

1771
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:02,020
seen some of the ones, I've seen

1772
01:07:02,020 --> 01:07:03,020
yours, and I've seen a few

1773
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:04,020
others that I found really quite

1774
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,020
attractive. The problem with

1775
01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:07,020
natural gardens, of course, is

1776
01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:08,020
that they are not attractive at

1777
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:12,020
first, for quite awhile. And

1778
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:14,020
therein lies the problem. People

1779
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:15,020
don't like them. But

1780
01:07:15,020 --> 01:07:19,020
>> I think we can work towards

1781
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:21,020
changing that. It is difficult

1782
01:07:21,020 --> 01:07:23,020
initially. I think there's a we

1783
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:24,020
need to educate people about

1784
01:07:24,020 --> 01:07:27,020
what might be going on and in a

1785
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:29,020
garden, as it's developed, and

1786
01:07:29,020 --> 01:07:30,020
the people who are doing these

1787
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:31,020
gardens, perhaps that would be

1788
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:33,020
part of the education is how to

1789
01:07:33,020 --> 01:07:36,020
make it more appealing for

1790
01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:39,020
people who do not understand.

1791
01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:40,020
That was why I was trying to do

1792
01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:42,020
it in my top, as well, there's a

1793
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:44,020
new book by Benjamin Floyd, he's

1794
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:46,020
written a couple. I've only read

1795
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:49,020
the first one. He's working on

1796
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:51,020
restoring tall grass prairies in

1797
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:53,020
Wisconsin and he has some ideas

1798
01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:54,020
for perhaps making it more

1799
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:57,020
appealing. I think this city

1800
01:07:57,020 --> 01:08:00,080
maybe we can, I don't know, find

1801
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,080
a way to develop this idea

1802
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,080
further.

1803
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,080
>> Me too, me too. We are

1804
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,080
actually starting our own

1805
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,080
initiative along, or we may be

1806
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:10,080
starting one with the city

1807
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,080
itself in the near future. I

1808
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,080
don't know if I can speak to it

1809
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,080
yet. But we are thinking, as a

1810
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,080
city, of initiating our own in

1811
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,080
our own way.

1812
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,080
>> Thank you very much, thank

1813
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,080
you. You are all welcome to come

1814
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:26,080
over.

1815
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,080
>> 165 sunnyside, Kim? That's

1816
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:29,080
it, okay.

1817
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,080
[Inaudible]

1818
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,080
>> That is my favourite, be

1819
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:37,080
careful. Elizabeth Stein son, or

1820
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:41,080
Stinson? Elizabeth? Hey!

1821
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,080
[Inaudible]

1822
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,080
[Laughter]

1823
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,080
>> So, at least you didn't come

1824
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,080
to ask a question. Do you want

1825
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,080
one, though? While you have the

1826
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,080
opportunity.

1827
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,080
[Inaudible]

1828
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,040
[Inaudible]

1829
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:17,040
>> Interesting. Thank you, Liz.

1830
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:23,040
Katie Hadley?

1831
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,040
>> I think this is the right

1832
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,040
height for me. Can you hear me?

1833
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,040
Okay, all right. Good evening,

1834
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,040
Mister Mayor.

1835
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,040
>> -- is ready, there we go.

1836
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,040
>> I guess, okay. As you can

1837
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,040
see, I'm part of the collective

1838
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,040
Northview voice. I will say this

1839
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,040
silver lining to this, rather

1840
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,040
exhaustive and discouraging

1841
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,040
process, has been meeting many

1842
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,040
of the neighbours I had not met

1843
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,040
before. It's been an excellent

1844
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,040
experience to bring the

1845
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,040
community together, so I'm

1846
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,040
taking that with me in this

1847
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,040
process. So, I will echo a

1848
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,040
little bit of what Sarah is

1849
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,040
saying, but I would like to say

1850
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,040
that the collective Northview

1851
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,000
voice has not diminished in this

1852
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
process and, in fact, it's

1853
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,000
growing considerably louder.

1854
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,000
Resulting in increasing the

1855
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,000
number of signatures on our

1856
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,000
original petition, when we first

1857
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,000
started this, by 143%. So, to

1858
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,000
me, the voice is there, it's

1859
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,000
loud. And I know you're probably

1860
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,000
tired of hearing our opinion and

1861
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,000
I know you want to close this

1862
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,000
chapter, trust me, I do too, and

1863
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,000
move on, but we, as your

1864
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,000
citizens, cannot in good

1865
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,000
conscious give up this fight

1866
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,000
because preserving Northview

1867
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,000
Park and all that it brings our

1868
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
community is an issue worth

1869
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
fighting for. That being said, I

1870
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
never wanted this to be a fight.

1871
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
I asked at the last council

1872
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,000
meeting we, as citizens, could

1873
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,000
be involved, how we could use

1874
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,000
our voice constructively, and

1875
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,000
how we could help bring our

1876
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,000
frontline park user perspective

1877
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000
to be part of the future of our

1878
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000
beloved Park. We were encouraged

1879
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,000
to keep showing up, to keep

1880
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,000
sharing our opinions, to keep

1881
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,000
being engaged citizens. So, we

1882
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
did. We wrote emails, we

1883
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,000
researched facts, we suggested

1884
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,000
alternatives, we brought our

1885
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,000
perspective to the wider

1886
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,000
community, through the media. We

1887
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,060
proposed a win, win situation,

1888
01:11:00,060 --> 01:11:02,060
based on logic and facts. And I

1889
01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:03,060
would like to highlight that

1890
01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:05,060
over this entire process, we

1891
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:07,060
have done our best to provide

1892
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:09,060
comprehensive information and

1893
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:11,060
suggestions and overall, we have

1894
01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:12,060
remained patient and respectful

1895
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:14,060
in our delivery. I appreciated

1896
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:15,060
the information session that was

1897
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:18,060
given as a result to our

1898
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:19,060
requests last time. But

1899
01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:20,060
ultimately, it was a

1900
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:22,060
presentation of the project and

1901
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:23,060
the aspects. It was not a

1902
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:25,060
dialogue or discussion that

1903
01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:27,060
could provide a clear,

1904
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:29,060
comprehensive answer, as to why

1905
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:31,060
this project was selected for

1906
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:33,060
Northview Park. And it, sadly,

1907
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:34,060
did not feel like an opportunity

1908
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:35,060
to be heard, but rather, an

1909
01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:39,060
opportunity to be told. So, our

1910
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:41,060
plight continued. Late nights of

1911
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:42,060
finding time to write carefully

1912
01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:43,060
thought out emails, expressing

1913
01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:45,060
all of our reasons, our

1914
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:48,060
concerns, our suggestions, and

1915
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:49,060
emails that, quite honestly,

1916
01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:51,060
felt like they got sent off into

1917
01:11:51,060 --> 01:11:53,060
the abyss of city hall. And I

1918
01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:54,060
understand that not all emails

1919
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:55,060
can be answered, you are busy

1920
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:57,060
people, there's stuff going on.

1921
01:11:57,060 --> 01:11:59,060
But I would like to provide the

1922
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:00,020
feedback that the gesture of

1923
01:12:00,020 --> 01:12:04,020
maybe even an auto reply to at

1924
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:06,020
least acknowledge a receipt of

1925
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:07,020
an email would feel more

1926
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:08,020
respectful than no response at

1927
01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:09,020
all. So, that's just a side

1928
01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:11,020
note. I didn't know where they

1929
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:12,020
went to, how they got there. It

1930
01:12:12,020 --> 01:12:14,020
would help that process, I

1931
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:15,020
think. And I understand that

1932
01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:16,020
those of you who voted for the

1933
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:19,020
fence to be included believe in

1934
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:20,020
your decision and that you think

1935
01:12:20,020 --> 01:12:21,020
that those of us who do not

1936
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:23,020
agree, well, we will need to

1937
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:24,020
adapt and accept the fence. But

1938
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:26,020
I have trouble accepting this,

1939
01:12:26,020 --> 01:12:28,020
and I have trouble understanding

1940
01:12:28,020 --> 01:12:29,020
why our opinion cannot have an

1941
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:32,020
influence in this situation.

1942
01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:33,020
We've confirmed with baseball

1943
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:34,020
Québec that baseball can

1944
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:35,020
continue, as it has for 40

1945
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:37,020
years, without the fence. We've

1946
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:38,020
confirmed that there was no

1947
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:40,020
injury claims related to a

1948
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:41,020
situation that could've been

1949
01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:42,020
prevented, had there been a

1950
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:44,020
fence. We have confirmed that

1951
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:46,020
the contract can be amended and

1952
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:47,020
other needed upgrades to the

1953
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:48,020
baseball area can still be put

1954
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:51,020
in place. But in addition to all

1955
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:52,020
those facts, we've also

1956
01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:54,020
confirmed that all of us here,

1957
01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:55,020
and all of us who signed the

1958
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:57,020
petition, do not agree with the

1959
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:58,020
decision to include the outfield

1960
01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:01,080
fence in Northview Park. That

1961
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,080
opinion should matter, that

1962
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,080
opinion should be heard. We are

1963
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,080
asking Council to not include

1964
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,080
the outfield fence. Why does it

1965
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,080
not seem to matter? Where is the

1966
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,080
ask from the Northview Park

1967
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,080
users for the outfield fence?

1968
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,080
Development of parks and

1969
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,080
community green spaces should

1970
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,080
have positive impact on the

1971
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,080
users, not a negative one. And I

1972
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,080
just cannot figure out why it

1973
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:24,080
feels like the Council is so

1974
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,080
determined to push the decision

1975
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,080
through, despite the opposition,

1976
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,080
despite the existence of

1977
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,080
alternatives. In the case of a

1978
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:32,080
community park, the user

1979
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,080
perspective should matter. So,

1980
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,080
my question is, how is it

1981
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,080
determined that putting this

1982
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,080
outfield fence in Northview Park

1983
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,080
is the best decision for

1984
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,080
Pointe-Claire citizens? How many

1985
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,080
users of Northview Park will

1986
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,080
benefit from the fence. We are

1987
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:46,080
here tonight because we want our

1988
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,080
voice to matter. It should

1989
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,080
matter. How many of us here are

1990
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,080
here to ask to remove the

1991
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,080
outfield fence from the project?

1992
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,080
How many of us are here to ask

1993
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:59,080
to put in and out field fence?

1994
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,040
It's not too late to incorporate

1995
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,040
our opinion, Mister Mayor. To

1996
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,040
yourself, you sit in the C.J. 80

1997
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,040
interview that if citizens do

1998
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,040
not want the fence, this should

1999
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,040
be considered. To your point, I

2000
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,040
don't see a petition asking for

2001
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:16,040
the fence. I don't see the park

2002
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:17,040
being used all year round for

2003
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,040
baseball and we've determined

2004
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:19,040
that baseball can happily

2005
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,040
continue to be offered at the

2006
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,040
park without the fence. It is a

2007
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,040
recommendation, not a

2008
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,040
requirement. And you also said

2009
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,040
in your official response that

2010
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,040
in a year, the fence could be

2011
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,040
removed. So far, an opinion can

2012
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,040
matter in a year, why can't our

2013
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,040
opinion just mattered right now?

2014
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,040
>> They do.

2015
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:37,040
>> That's my question.

2016
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,040
>> They do. Your opinions do

2017
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,040
matter right now, and they have

2018
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:44,040
had an impact. So, they are

2019
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:48,040
never wasted. Your councillor

2020
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,040
has changed his mind as a result

2021
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,040
of your opinion. You've

2022
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,040
influenced others. You've had

2023
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,040
media coverage and you've done

2024
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,040
very well, and you have done it

2025
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,040
with the quorum and properly, I

2026
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,000
agree with you on all of the

2027
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,000
above. I think that one of my

2028
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,000
mentors wrote that, had the

2029
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,000
greatest things in life happen

2030
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,000
not because of the nation state,

2031
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,000
but in spite of it. And what he

2032
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,000
was talking about was politics

2033
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,000
in general. At the

2034
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,000
decision-making level, the

2035
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,000
decision-making level is never

2036
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,000
the level that really matters.

2037
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,000
The level that really matters is

2038
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,000
public opinion. The way people

2039
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,000
think. He was referring to

2040
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,000
feminism or environmentalism,

2041
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,000
which happened in spite of

2042
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,000
governments. In other words,

2043
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,000
enough of the world thought a

2044
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,000
certain way and eventually

2045
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,000
governments come around. So,

2046
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,000
that's politics and you've

2047
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,000
exercised, on a smaller level,

2048
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,000
that process, and you've done it

2049
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,000
well. Who knows? I mean, I never

2050
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,000
give up on things.

2051
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,000
>> As do we not. It

2052
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,000
>> In closing, I respectively

2053
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,000
ask Council to remove the

2054
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,000
outfield fence from the project

2055
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,000
and listen to your citizens and

2056
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,000
your users of the park. And

2057
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,060
thank you for letting --

2058
01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:01,060
>> You've done that really well.

2059
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:02,060
Thank you.

2060
01:16:02,060 --> 01:16:03,060
>> Thank you.

2061
01:16:03,060 --> 01:16:05,060
[Applause]

2062
01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:10,060
>> Janet Han?

2063
01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:18,060
>> Good evening. My name is

2064
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:19,060
Janet Hunt, district three. I

2065
01:16:19,060 --> 01:16:21,060
have a few questions, a bit

2066
01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:23,060
different from, sorry, you hear

2067
01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:24,060
me now?

2068
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:26,060
>> Yeah, that's better.

2069
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:27,060
>> That's true. That's good,

2070
01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:30,060
thanks. So, my name is Janet

2071
01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:32,060
Hunt, district three. I've got a

2072
01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:34,060
few questions, that are a little

2073
01:16:34,060 --> 01:16:35,060
bit different from what was

2074
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:39,060
brought up this evening. I'm

2075
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:41,060
just curious as to how the City

2076
01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:44,060
arrived at the valuation of

2077
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:47,060
homes this year. Homes, the

2078
01:16:47,060 --> 01:16:51,060
valuation has gone up by very

2079
01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:52,060
aggressively, approximately

2080
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:56,060
close to 50% from last year. So,

2081
01:16:56,060 --> 01:16:59,060
that is a huge jump. Our incomes

2082
01:16:59,060 --> 01:17:01,020
have not gone up that high.

2083
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:04,020
Living expenses have also gone

2084
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:06,020
up quite high. And why is there

2085
01:17:06,020 --> 01:17:09,020
a fee for residents who want to

2086
01:17:09,020 --> 01:17:11,020
contest this valuation? Whether

2087
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:14,020
it is accepted in the end or

2088
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:15,020
rejected. It doesn't really make

2089
01:17:15,020 --> 01:17:17,020
much sense to have. It's like

2090
01:17:17,020 --> 01:17:19,020
penalizing us and not

2091
01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:23,020
encouraging us to contest it. We

2092
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:25,020
don't agree with it. So, can you

2093
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:26,020
speak to that?

2094
01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:28,020
>> Yeah, I mean, -- do you want

2095
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:29,020
to speak to that? Sure, go

2096
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:30,020
ahead.

2097
01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:32,020
>> High, the reason why I'm

2098
01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:33,020
offering to speak to it is

2099
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:34,020
because I had this exact

2100
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:35,020
conversation the last time we

2101
01:17:35,020 --> 01:17:37,020
had the evaluation of role

2102
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:38,020
increase. It's actually guided

2103
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:40,020
by the City of Montréal and the

2104
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:42,020
fees are mandatory by them. And

2105
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:46,020
I had a good discussion with the

2106
01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:49,020
senior -- was in Valois about

2107
01:17:49,020 --> 01:17:50,020
this discussion because, yes,

2108
01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:52,020
while we fully recognize it is

2109
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:55,020
painful if you're on a fixed

2110
01:17:55,020 --> 01:17:56,020
income to have this increase in

2111
01:17:56,020 --> 01:17:57,020
taxes, due to the evaluation of

2112
01:17:57,020 --> 01:17:59,020
the role, your long term gain is

2113
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:02,080
what is there. So, contesting

2114
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,080
the value of your home could put

2115
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,080
you at a disadvantage if you go

2116
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,080
to sell your home, if that's

2117
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,080
what you are relying on for your

2118
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,080
retirement or your future home.

2119
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,080
And I believe that most of the

2120
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,080
cases, unfortunately, do not go

2121
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:15,080
in favour of the contestation.

2122
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,080
So, you are paying the fee, you

2123
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,080
may get a reduction of maybe

2124
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,080
$100 and so, it has to go up to

2125
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,080
three years, maybe, to make that

2126
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,080
back. And then there's a new

2127
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,080
reevaluation that's coming up

2128
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,080
for Montréal. So, it's designed

2129
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,080
process that's really not in the

2130
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,080
favour of a resident. I believe

2131
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,080
some businesses have had some

2132
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,080
success with it. But it is, yes,

2133
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,080
100 percent difficult, but the

2134
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,080
overall again is for you, in the

2135
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,080
end, with their higher valuation

2136
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,080
of your home.

2137
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,080
>> However, if we are not

2138
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,080
selling the home and we want to

2139
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,080
live there, the taxes,

2140
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,080
obviously, are going to go up on

2141
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,080
the evaluation is higher. And

2142
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,080
this is going to force a lot of

2143
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,080
people to sell their homes, but

2144
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,080
they are not necessarily going

2145
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,080
to successfully sell it at the

2146
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,040
price that you have evaluated it

2147
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,040
at. Because prices are not --

2148
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,040
>> Based on the homes sold in

2149
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,040
the area. So, all the

2150
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,040
evaluations are based on all the

2151
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,040
homes within a quadrant that are

2152
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,040
compared of what has been

2153
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,040
selling. So, they're taking it

2154
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,040
based on the market, what's

2155
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,040
going on. There could be changes

2156
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,040
or it might not, it may stay

2157
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,040
stable if the market becomes

2158
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,040
more stable and does not

2159
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,040
increase. But then if the market

2160
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:25,040
doesn't increase, that would

2161
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,040
give you the stability. But the

2162
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,040
whole evaluation goes up because

2163
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,040
people are able to sell for

2164
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:33,040
those higher prices. It's a

2165
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,040
difficult situation when you

2166
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,040
need to stay in your home and

2167
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,040
you don't have the equities in

2168
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,040
your home, 100%. The whole

2169
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,040
process is just not very

2170
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,040
favourable to support you

2171
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,040
contesting it.

2172
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,040
>> Exactly and that's the whole

2173
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,040
point. It should be favourable

2174
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,040
to people who want to contest

2175
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:51,040
it. And as well, it should not

2176
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,040
be done in such a way that it's

2177
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,040
for the long term, because we

2178
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,040
want to be able to exist in our

2179
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:01,000
homes, live in our homes without

2180
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,000
needing to sell it, in order to

2181
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,000
go through a smaller profiting

2182
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,000
or a smaller place, if we are

2183
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,000
happy with where we live. That's

2184
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,000
where we want to stay. We don't

2185
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,000
necessarily want to move.

2186
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,000
However, it's going to force a

2187
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,000
lot of people to end up selling

2188
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,000
and go into farther places,

2189
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,000
because it's going to become

2190
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,000
very expensive to pay the

2191
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:23,000
property taxes on a much higher

2192
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,000
valuation.

2193
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,000
>> Councillor Stork, you wanted

2194
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,000
to say something?

2195
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,000
>> Thank you, Mayor, Mayor

2196
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,000
Thomas. This is probably not the

2197
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,000
right forum for this, but I can

2198
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,000
tell you right now, it's a very

2199
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,000
common misnomer that our taxes

2200
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,000
went up because our evaluations

2201
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,000
went up. They are not even

2202
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,000
fundamentally not linked

2203
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,000
together. Your evaluations go

2204
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,000
up, your home goes up, but your

2205
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,000
milk rate goes down. So, it's

2206
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,000
all a question of the city's

2207
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,000
finances. We have to find 13

2208
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,000
point $7 million as our overall

2209
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,000
operating budget between

2210
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,000
operating budget and long term

2211
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,000
debt. That's what increased your

2212
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,000
taxes. So, I would be more than

2213
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,000
happy for myself or anybody

2214
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,060
else, or Kelly, to explain to

2215
01:21:00,060 --> 01:21:02,060
you. But that would be a long

2216
01:21:02,060 --> 01:21:03,060
discussion. It's important to

2217
01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:05,060
realize that your house increase

2218
01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:07,060
and valuations do not really,

2219
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:08,060
they were not the reason why

2220
01:21:08,060 --> 01:21:09,060
your taxes went up.

2221
01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:13,060
>> So, the percentage of our tax

2222
01:21:13,060 --> 01:21:15,060
and the value of the homes, so

2223
01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:18,060
that if the value of the home

2224
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:20,060
where 350, now it's 700, if we

2225
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:22,060
paid 10%, let's say.

2226
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:24,060
>> We reduce the milk rate to

2227
01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:25,060
5%, so it would come out to the

2228
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:26,060
same thing.

2229
01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:28,060
>> Okay, so this is the plan?

2230
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:31,060
>> That is how we operate our

2231
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:33,060
tax. That's true --

2232
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:34,060
>> Sorry, Eric, go ahead.

2233
01:21:34,060 --> 01:21:35,060
>> That's true for the

2234
01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:36,060
Pointe-Claire and of the

2235
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:38,060
taxation, but the Agglo is a

2236
01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:39,060
whole other world and that's

2237
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:40,060
where the bulk of the tax comes

2238
01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:42,060
from. It's the agglomeration,

2239
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:45,060
the City of Montréal. So, we

2240
01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:47,060
have control over our part, our

2241
01:21:47,060 --> 01:21:50,060
end of it, but the bulk of it is

2242
01:21:50,060 --> 01:21:51,060
the City of Montréal.

2243
01:21:51,060 --> 01:21:53,060
>> Yeah and are there any plans

2244
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:54,060
maybe of a separating from the

2245
01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:55,060
City of Montréal?

2246
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:58,060
[Laughter]

2247
01:21:59,060 --> 01:22:02,020
>> -- they're all the time!

2248
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:03,020
>> We are donating our money to

2249
01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:05,020
them. They are fumbling it left,

2250
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:06,020
right, and centre.

2251
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:07,020
>> That subject is kicked around

2252
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:09,020
in the association of suburban

2253
01:22:09,020 --> 01:22:11,020
mayors every month, trust me.

2254
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:12,020
And it's a distinct possibility

2255
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:15,020
always. I hear you.

2256
01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:16,020
Unfortunately, legally, we

2257
01:22:16,020 --> 01:22:18,020
cannot.

2258
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:19,020
>> I've got a few more

2259
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:20,020
questions.

2260
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:21,020
>> A few more? One more.

2261
01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:24,020
>> So, there was a surplus of 25

2262
01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:26,020
million in the budget for the

2263
01:22:26,020 --> 01:22:30,020
discussion from last month. And

2264
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:34,020
also, there were some agenda

2265
01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:36,020
items whereby there were

2266
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:38,020
donations to nonprofit

2267
01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:41,020
organizations and money that's

2268
01:22:41,020 --> 01:22:44,020
put for parks, swimming pools,

2269
01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:45,020
and maintenance. But at the same

2270
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:48,020
time, there was eight point on

2271
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:49,020
auctioning off homes for people

2272
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:51,020
who are not able to pay their

2273
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:54,020
taxes. So, I found it a little

2274
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:55,020
bit disheartening that we are

2275
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:58,020
donating money to nonprofit

2276
01:22:58,020 --> 01:22:59,020
organizations whose lists are

2277
01:22:59,020 --> 01:23:01,080
not on the website, when we

2278
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,080
could be donating to our own

2279
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,080
residents and helping them to

2280
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,080
stay in their home, rather than,

2281
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,080
you know, a child who has a park

2282
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,080
to go to and has a swimming pool

2283
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,080
to go to, doesn't have a home to

2284
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,080
go to, is not a very happy

2285
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:20,080
child. So, would you consider

2286
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:22,080
not donating to nonprofit

2287
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,080
organizations and maybe looking

2288
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,080
at, looking at forgiving taxes

2289
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,080
for those who are not able to

2290
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,080
pay their taxes and donating the

2291
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:35,080
money in this manner instead of

2292
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,080
it going?

2293
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,080
>> That would be a somewhat

2294
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:38,080
dangerous precedent, don't you

2295
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,080
think?

2296
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,080
>> I don't think so.

2297
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,080
>> Were we to do that?

2298
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,080
>> I don't think so, I think

2299
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:47,080
it's humane. It's kindness, and

2300
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,080
it's a community feeling,

2301
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,080
supporting our own residence.

2302
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,080
After all, we've had, you know,

2303
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,080
a surplus of 25 million and

2304
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,080
there was a point in doing

2305
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,080
renovations, which I think was

2306
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,040
not voted on 25 million of

2307
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:05,040
public work renovations. Which I

2308
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,040
found was strange, but I don't

2309
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,040
think it was discussed, so I

2310
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,040
think that's probably moved from

2311
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,040
the agenda. I don't know what

2312
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,040
happened to that point. I don't

2313
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,040
know how it made it their.

2314
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,040
>> Which one was that?

2315
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,040
>> The renovation of public

2316
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,040
works of Pointe-Claire Public

2317
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:21,040
Works.

2318
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,040
>> Yes, we had a special general

2319
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,040
meeting. On exactly that

2320
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,040
purpose, where all the citizens

2321
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,040
were invited. And we were quite

2322
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,040
disappointed with the turnout.

2323
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,040
We actually called the meeting

2324
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,040
on that.

2325
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,040
>> When was the meeting?

2326
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,040
>> What was the date, Madam

2327
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,040
Bertrand? Not long ago.

2328
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,040
>> May 9th.

2329
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,040
>> Pardon me?

2330
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,040
>> May 9th.

2331
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,040
>> May 9th we had a special

2332
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:44,040
general meeting here. Didn't we

2333
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,040
invite all the citizens of

2334
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,040
Pointe-Claire, we announced it,

2335
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,040
did anybody show?

2336
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,040
[Inaudible]

2337
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,040
>> It was announced.

2338
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,040
>> I didn't know about it

2339
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,040
either, actually. Was it on the

2340
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:57,040
website?

2341
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:58,040
>> Yes.

2342
01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:59,040
>> It was also on the website?

2343
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,000
>> Yes.

2344
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,000
>> Okay, I didn't know about it.

2345
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,000
And so --

2346
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,000
>> I just want to respond to

2347
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,000
something that's very important.

2348
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,000
Our support of the community

2349
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,000
organizations and the nonprofit

2350
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,000
is essential for our community.

2351
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,000
They rely on cities specifically

2352
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,000
to help the support, we support

2353
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,000
lakeshore General Hospital

2354
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:22,000
Foundation, various West Island

2355
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,000
community shares. This is really

2356
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,000
where they need help to help

2357
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,000
those most in need and it would

2358
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,000
be highly difficult to assess

2359
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,000
the true need of anybody not

2360
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,000
paying their taxes. And I do not

2361
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,000
believe we ever end up selling

2362
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,000
anyone's home by the time it

2363
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,000
comes to it. Usually, they come

2364
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,000
to it and pay their dues. I do

2365
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:38,000
not remember the last time we

2366
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,000
actually had an auction. So, it

2367
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,000
has to be put on formal legal

2368
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,000
process that we are going to

2369
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,000
sell the home, but it never gets

2370
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,000
to that point. But I really

2371
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,000
wanted to highlight how much

2372
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,000
Pointe-Claire is part of the

2373
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,000
fabric of the nonprofit

2374
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,000
organizations in that really,

2375
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,000
really is how we support the

2376
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,000
community, and there are so many

2377
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,000
of them, and they really rely on

2378
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,000
Pointe-Claire. I would hate to

2379
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,060
ever have that notion out there

2380
01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:02,060
that it's not needed, because it

2381
01:26:02,060 --> 01:26:04,060
is essential. We are not really

2382
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:05,060
selling peoples homes in the

2383
01:26:05,060 --> 01:26:07,060
end. But we have to go through

2384
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:08,060
the process to force people to

2385
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:10,060
pay their taxes.

2386
01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:11,060
>> So, even if they're forced

2387
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:14,060
and we have a 25 million dollar

2388
01:26:14,060 --> 01:26:15,060
surplus, and you don't end up

2389
01:26:15,060 --> 01:26:16,060
selling their homes, which is

2390
01:26:16,060 --> 01:26:17,060
really great, that's wonderful,

2391
01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:20,060
but you end up giving to these

2392
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:21,060
organizations and it would be

2393
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:22,060
much better to give it to the

2394
01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:25,060
people, so that they can stay in

2395
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:26,060
their homes, if ever it gets to

2396
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:27,060
that degree.

2397
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:28,060
>> We have other supports to

2398
01:26:28,060 --> 01:26:29,060
have people stay in their home,

2399
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:30,060
like the aid for senior

2400
01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:32,060
programs, and things like that.

2401
01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:33,060
But I would highly doubt that

2402
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:34,060
the majority of Pointe-Claire

2403
01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:35,060
would agree with the statement

2404
01:26:35,060 --> 01:26:36,060
to not force people to pay their

2405
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:38,060
taxes. It's just setting a

2406
01:26:38,060 --> 01:26:40,060
precedent, it's opening a whole

2407
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:41,060
different discussion, and so, we

2408
01:26:41,060 --> 01:26:42,060
look for the proper ways to

2409
01:26:42,060 --> 01:26:46,060
support the community that does

2410
01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:47,060
establish the nonprofits. They

2411
01:26:47,060 --> 01:26:48,060
show us their bank accounts,

2412
01:26:48,060 --> 01:26:49,060
they show us where they receive

2413
01:26:49,060 --> 01:26:50,060
money, they say they would what

2414
01:26:50,060 --> 01:26:51,060
they did with their money. There

2415
01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:53,060
are checks and balances in that

2416
01:26:53,060 --> 01:26:54,060
process and so, I just want to

2417
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:55,060
uphold that there are so many

2418
01:26:55,060 --> 01:26:57,060
people that are part of that,

2419
01:26:57,060 --> 01:26:59,060
and it's important for us to

2420
01:26:59,060 --> 01:27:00,020
continue our support in that

2421
01:27:00,020 --> 01:27:01,020
way.

2422
01:27:01,020 --> 01:27:03,020
>> Thank you, Miss Hannah in the

2423
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:04,020
interest of the rest of the

2424
01:27:04,020 --> 01:27:05,020
questions.

2425
01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:07,020
>> You're welcome, thank you.

2426
01:27:07,020 --> 01:27:12,020
>> Glenn Holland?

2427
01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:20,020
>> Hi, good evening. Northview

2428
01:27:20,020 --> 01:27:23,020
Park, one more time. Just to

2429
01:27:23,020 --> 01:27:25,020
augment it a bit, what Sarah and

2430
01:27:25,020 --> 01:27:28,020
Heidi have so well eloquently

2431
01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:31,020
expressed, just a few technical

2432
01:27:31,020 --> 01:27:33,020
details. We were given the same

2433
01:27:33,020 --> 01:27:35,020
presentation that I believe from

2434
01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:37,020
Jill Gerard, director of sports

2435
01:27:37,020 --> 01:27:38,020
and leisure, that was presented

2436
01:27:38,020 --> 01:27:39,020
to the Council sometime in

2437
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:42,020
December, January. We got that

2438
01:27:42,020 --> 01:27:44,020
presentation on the 10th of May.

2439
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:48,020
In that presentation, he cited

2440
01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:50,020
the technical qualifications

2441
01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:52,020
coming from dictated for the

2442
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:54,020
building of offence and parks in

2443
01:27:54,020 --> 01:27:57,020
general from M E as, Minister of

2444
01:27:57,020 --> 01:27:58,020
Education support and law here,

2445
01:27:58,020 --> 01:28:02,080
as well as baseball Québec. He

2446
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,080
cited those as the reason, the

2447
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:04,080
technical reasons, why the park

2448
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:08,080
is going to be the way it is.

2449
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:09,080
Further public research, though,

2450
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:10,080
when you compare what's actually

2451
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:14,080
in the plan, which is versus the

2452
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,080
technical aspects coming from

2453
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:17,080
those two cited organizations,

2454
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,080
one, in the presentation, it was

2455
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,080
not mentioned that this is an

2456
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,080
optional fence, okay? This is

2457
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,080
not mandated. There is no reason

2458
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:28,080
to have it. It's up to the

2459
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,080
individual location. Two, if

2460
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,080
we've been told this has been

2461
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,080
designated by the park, if you

2462
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,080
look at the regulations cited by

2463
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:37,080
the Pointe-Claire presentation

2464
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,080
itself, when you look at the

2465
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,080
public regulations, it's

2466
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,080
supposed to be a 300 feet, or

2467
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:45,080
305 feet. There's a discrepancy

2468
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,080
between the two organizations.

2469
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:48,080
But 300 feet is the number we've

2470
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,080
been using. The plan for

2471
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,080
Northview Park is 280 feet. It

2472
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,080
does not even meet the technical

2473
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,080
speck from these two

2474
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,080
organizations after being cited

2475
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:00,040
by Pointe-Claire. So, I'm just

2476
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:01,040
going to keep this short. I'm

2477
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,040
going to leave it at that. I

2478
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,040
don't know who designates

2479
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,040
Northview Park as a bantam park.

2480
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:09,040
I don't know what the criteria

2481
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,040
is used by whom, is it the city

2482
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:13,040
that sells this is a Bantam

2483
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,040
park? And then if you ask,

2484
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,040
what's the criteria? To define

2485
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,040
it as abandoned Park. You've

2486
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,040
mentioned 31 out of 34, Jada,

2487
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,040
Jada, Jada. It's always in

2488
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:25,040
regard to the Benton Parks. Who

2489
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,040
decided Northview is going to be

2490
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,040
a bantam park?

2491
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,040
>> That's a good question. Madam

2492
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,040
Verdun? Do we know historically

2493
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:32,040
who decided?

2494
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:33,040
>> No, I don't know

2495
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:36,040
historically, but it's always

2496
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:37,040
been a bantam park.

2497
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,040
>> I mean, if it's size, just be

2498
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,040
aware, we've done the measuring.

2499
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:42,040
Cedars is bigger than Northview

2500
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:45,040
Park, okay? And from what I can

2501
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,040
tell on baseball West Island

2502
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:49,040
website, there is no baseball

2503
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,040
schedule there at cedars park.

2504
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,040
It seems to be softball from my,

2505
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,040
again, rudimentary

2506
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:58,040
investigation. Emails to the

2507
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,040
sports and Department of

2508
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,000
Pointe-Claire, through the

2509
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,000
communications department, have

2510
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,000
gone unanswered.

2511
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,000
>> I'm going to let Kelly speak

2512
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,000
to the history of white

2513
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,000
Northview is, but I will point

2514
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:08,000
out what I pointed out to you

2515
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,000
during the meeting. I give you

2516
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,000
Fenway park as the counter

2517
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,000
argument to your previous

2518
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,000
example, where it's a wonderful

2519
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,000
professional baseball field with

2520
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:23,000
the green monster to mitigate

2521
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,000
against shortened distance in an

2522
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,000
outfield. Anything is possible

2523
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,000
with the ambiance, the right

2524
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,000
demographics, or whatever

2525
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,000
working, you can make a baseball

2526
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,000
park for other reasons. But

2527
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,000
Kelly, do you want to speak to

2528
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,000
why Northview, how it --

2529
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,000
>> Not 100 percent correct, but

2530
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:44,000
basically, as a city, our

2531
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,000
recreation departments, with the

2532
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,000
collaboration of engineering, go

2533
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,000
through and look at what fields

2534
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,000
that we have, what sports

2535
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,000
facilities we have, and they

2536
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,000
designate different things. If

2537
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,000
you probably recall many years

2538
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,000
ago, there were many more parks

2539
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,000
that you should be baseball

2540
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,000
fields that got converted into

2541
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,000
soccer fields, because at the

2542
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,060
time, soccer became more

2543
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:02,060
popular. And so, they take into

2544
01:31:02,060 --> 01:31:03,060
consideration all the locations

2545
01:31:03,060 --> 01:31:05,060
of everything for sport and

2546
01:31:05,060 --> 01:31:06,060
leisure within our community,

2547
01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:08,060
globally, and then they

2548
01:31:08,060 --> 01:31:10,060
attribute what we can attribute

2549
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:11,060
where, that will meet the

2550
01:31:11,060 --> 01:31:12,060
greatest needs, based on the

2551
01:31:12,060 --> 01:31:14,060
resources we have. Which is also

2552
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:17,060
why we have changes at

2553
01:31:17,060 --> 01:31:18,060
terracotta, tried to increase

2554
01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:21,060
the different users, which just

2555
01:31:21,060 --> 01:31:22,060
promotes how we do our sports

2556
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:24,060
facilities, what we consider,

2557
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:25,060
where we consider putting splash

2558
01:31:25,060 --> 01:31:28,060
pads, where we consider adding

2559
01:31:28,060 --> 01:31:29,060
adapted equipment that does all

2560
01:31:29,060 --> 01:31:31,060
change the landscape of green

2561
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:33,060
space. I think the issue that's

2562
01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:35,060
a bit of a concern is that

2563
01:31:35,060 --> 01:31:38,060
Northview, as a general park, is

2564
01:31:38,060 --> 01:31:39,060
a general part, but it has a

2565
01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:41,060
pool, a tennis court, open green

2566
01:31:41,060 --> 01:31:43,060
space, but it also has the

2567
01:31:43,060 --> 01:31:45,060
baseball field. And that is the

2568
01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:46,060
issue, that that specific part

2569
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:49,060
is a sports field. And so, 100%,

2570
01:31:49,060 --> 01:31:52,060
like, you are a wonderful

2571
01:31:52,060 --> 01:31:53,060
committee, you're well spoken,

2572
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:54,060
we hear your arguments, but it

2573
01:31:54,060 --> 01:31:56,060
was not an, oh, we were deciding

2574
01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:58,060
to change Northview Park, or

2575
01:31:58,060 --> 01:32:00,020
change the location. It's an

2576
01:32:00,020 --> 01:32:03,020
upgrade that was recommended to

2577
01:32:03,020 --> 01:32:04,020
council from our departments

2578
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:05,020
that look at the different

2579
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:07,020
upgrades that we put into our P

2580
01:32:07,020 --> 01:32:08,020
E every year. It's the same when

2581
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:10,020
we redid our arena and I think

2582
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:12,020
the challenge is that

2583
01:32:12,020 --> 01:32:15,020
Pointe-Claire has never re-a

2584
01:32:15,020 --> 01:32:16,020
sports field or a complex, or a

2585
01:32:16,020 --> 01:32:18,020
building, not according to

2586
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:19,020
recommendations. It's not what

2587
01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:21,020
we do as a city. Because maybe

2588
01:32:21,020 --> 01:32:23,020
there has not been five injuries

2589
01:32:23,020 --> 01:32:24,020
or ten injuries, whatever, but

2590
01:32:24,020 --> 01:32:25,020
at the moment that it happens,

2591
01:32:25,020 --> 01:32:26,020
and when it happened at the

2592
01:32:26,020 --> 01:32:29,020
arena, they came in and hockey

2593
01:32:29,020 --> 01:32:31,020
Québec measured the boards,

2594
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:32,020
measured the line, measured

2595
01:32:32,020 --> 01:32:33,020
this, measured that, when there

2596
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:36,020
was an injury. That, we need to

2597
01:32:36,020 --> 01:32:37,020
consider because that's the

2598
01:32:37,020 --> 01:32:38,020
global consideration that we

2599
01:32:38,020 --> 01:32:39,020
have to take on, as councillors.

2600
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:43,020
And I understand, I agree that

2601
01:32:43,020 --> 01:32:45,020
there is a perceived change to

2602
01:32:45,020 --> 01:32:46,020
the vocation at the park. But

2603
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:48,020
from the sports field, none of

2604
01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:50,020
the activities that have been

2605
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:52,020
stated will change, and there is

2606
01:32:52,020 --> 01:32:54,020
an option of, have you seen

2607
01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:55,020
Greer Park with the beautiful

2608
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:56,020
vegetation that went all along

2609
01:32:56,020 --> 01:32:58,020
the fence? It's equally as

2610
01:32:58,020 --> 01:32:59,020
gorgeous. There are ways to do

2611
01:32:59,020 --> 01:33:01,080
it that you maintain the

2612
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,080
regulations and the guidelines,

2613
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,080
and you also maintain what we

2614
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,080
need to provide as services to

2615
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:08,080
the community for the different

2616
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,080
choices of sports field. The

2617
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,080
issue is, there are 31 to 34

2618
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,080
Bantam fields on the fence.

2619
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:14,080
Lachine is about to change and

2620
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,080
we would be the other one to

2621
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,080
change. So, that's the

2622
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,080
difficult, it's difficult for us

2623
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:20,080
to say. We are not going to go

2624
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,080
in that direction, we are not

2625
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:25,080
going to support it. Because I

2626
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:26,080
agree, it looks like it's

2627
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,080
changing your space, but it was

2628
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,080
not the space. This was a Bantam

2629
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:32,080
field that needs upgrades and

2630
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,080
the field is the recommendation

2631
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,080
of our D G of engineering and of

2632
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,080
recreation. So, we have to go

2633
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,080
against the recommendations of

2634
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:44,080
our paid professionals to

2635
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,080
actually uphold that there's

2636
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,080
discomfort with it. And I think

2637
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:48,080
we could come together with the

2638
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:50,080
fence, build it like Greer Park,

2639
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:51,080
it will be beautiful, and it

2640
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:52,080
would be pleasing, and you still

2641
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,080
have your space.

2642
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:55,080
>> Thank you.

2643
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,080
>> But it has to be said because

2644
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,080
I think there's a lot of

2645
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,040
misinformation that's being

2646
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,040
shared and there is another

2647
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:02,040
perspective.

2648
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:03,040
>> There is no information being

2649
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,040
shared. That's the issue. From

2650
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:07,040
that May 10th meeting we had

2651
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,040
with Jill, he was supposed to

2652
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,040
give us the documentation to

2653
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,040
support the 280 feet. We have

2654
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,040
public information. Refuting the

2655
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,040
citations by Pointe-Claire, his

2656
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,040
department, that say, no, it has

2657
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:23,040
to be 300 feet, okay? Not with

2658
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,040
-- Northview people love

2659
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,040
baseball. We are not against

2660
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:27,040
baseball. My question is, I'm

2661
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,040
just wanting to make you guys

2662
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,040
aware of the technical issues

2663
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,040
cited by Pointe-Claire. The

2664
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,040
organization said 300 and 305

2665
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:38,040
feet for a bantam size field.

2666
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:39,040
Who decided this is going to be

2667
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,040
a bantam field, when, example,

2668
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:43,040
Cedar is --

2669
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:44,040
>> It's always been a bantam

2670
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,040
field because of how far people

2671
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,040
can hit the ball. So, it cannot

2672
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,040
be, is it midget? We can't be

2673
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:52,040
the next size up because there

2674
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,040
will be no net, they're -- so,

2675
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,040
they evaluate the fields, then

2676
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:57,040
they determined that's where

2677
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:58,040
that field is with the

2678
01:34:58,040 --> 01:34:59,040
recreation teams.

2679
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,000
>> But back to the citation from

2680
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,000
those two organizations, they

2681
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,000
say 300 feet. Cedars has 300

2682
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,000
feet. Valois could be 300 feet.

2683
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,000
Bourgeois is 300, could be 300

2684
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,000
feet.

2685
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,000
>> -- this is the concern. We do

2686
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,000
not just have baseball west

2687
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:15,000
island to consider, we have

2688
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,000
softball, we have the other

2689
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,000
people who need to use the

2690
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,000
fields, and that's the balance

2691
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,000
with it. So, that's what I'm

2692
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,000
saying is that we hear from the

2693
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,000
associations that work with this

2694
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,000
department of recreation to

2695
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,000
determine what it is.

2696
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,000
>> Respectively, what we've

2697
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,000
heard for three months out, this

2698
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,000
is a bantam park, Bantam Park,

2699
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,000
Bantam Park, okay? Bantam park

2700
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,000
regulations, public knowledge,

2701
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,000
okay? 300 feet. We are building

2702
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,000
fence at the expense of offence,

2703
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,000
280 feet. Where there is other

2704
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,000
solutions available.

2705
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,000
>> It seems to be acceptable, it

2706
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,000
seems to be acceptable. That's

2707
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:46,000
why it's being recommended.

2708
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,000
Eric, did you want to speak to?

2709
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:50,000
>> Yeah, I want to speak to the

2710
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,000
fact that, as Kelly mentioned, I

2711
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,000
think we've given up a lot of

2712
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:55,000
our baseball fields for soccer

2713
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,000
during that movement, there's no

2714
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,000
question about that. But I must

2715
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,060
disagree with you, Councillor

2716
01:36:01,060 --> 01:36:02,060
Kelly. In reference to the

2717
01:36:02,060 --> 01:36:04,060
administration, the

2718
01:36:04,060 --> 01:36:05,060
administration makes

2719
01:36:05,060 --> 01:36:06,060
administrative decisions. We

2720
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:07,060
take that information, we

2721
01:36:07,060 --> 01:36:08,060
converted. It wouldn't be the

2722
01:36:08,060 --> 01:36:10,060
first time in history that an

2723
01:36:10,060 --> 01:36:11,060
administrative decision has been

2724
01:36:11,060 --> 01:36:13,060
overruled by Council and in

2725
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:14,060
reference to many issues,

2726
01:36:14,060 --> 01:36:15,060
starting with one that's on our

2727
01:36:15,060 --> 01:36:17,060
agenda, -- location of the

2728
01:36:17,060 --> 01:36:19,060
washrooms. So, there are

2729
01:36:19,060 --> 01:36:21,060
multiple cases. I understand and

2730
01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:23,060
I have my little say later, but

2731
01:36:23,060 --> 01:36:26,060
this is a very subjective issue

2732
01:36:26,060 --> 01:36:27,060
and I will leave it at that for

2733
01:36:27,060 --> 01:36:30,060
now.

2734
01:36:30,060 --> 01:36:31,060
>> May I suggest maybe delaying

2735
01:36:31,060 --> 01:36:33,060
the fence moratorium the fence?

2736
01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:34,060
Do a better analysis, find out

2737
01:36:34,060 --> 01:36:36,060
all the safety cases, look at

2738
01:36:36,060 --> 01:36:38,060
the other parks, maybe re-check

2739
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:40,060
the schedule, just as FYI.

2740
01:36:40,060 --> 01:36:42,060
Baseball West Island, itself,

2741
01:36:42,060 --> 01:36:44,060
right now, Miss bourgeois as

2742
01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:47,060
abandoned field. It has a fence.

2743
01:36:47,060 --> 01:36:48,060
It's not 300 feet either, by the

2744
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:52,060
way. But it's on the schedule.

2745
01:36:52,060 --> 01:36:55,060
It's listed as a band field. Why

2746
01:36:55,060 --> 01:36:58,060
do we need a fence in Northview

2747
01:36:58,060 --> 01:36:59,060
before another Bantam field?

2748
01:36:59,060 --> 01:37:01,020
What is point clear all of a

2749
01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:02,020
sudden need to bantam fields?

2750
01:37:02,020 --> 01:37:04,020
>> Because the bulk of Council

2751
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:05,020
has decided it does. I think

2752
01:37:05,020 --> 01:37:06,020
that's the answer to your

2753
01:37:06,020 --> 01:37:08,020
question. And we will be voting

2754
01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:10,020
on it shortly. My only concern

2755
01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:12,020
here is, are there any other

2756
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:13,020
questions other than Northview

2757
01:37:13,020 --> 01:37:15,020
that need to be asked? Because I

2758
01:37:15,020 --> 01:37:16,020
have a list. Thank you, I have a

2759
01:37:16,020 --> 01:37:18,020
list. It's just, I don't mean to

2760
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:20,020
be harsh, how much time do we

2761
01:37:20,020 --> 01:37:21,020
have left?

2762
01:37:21,020 --> 01:37:22,020
>> Six minutes.

2763
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:26,020
>> Six minutes, okay. Joseph

2764
01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:32,020
emit?

2765
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:40,020
>> Good evening. Thank you for

2766
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,020
the opportunity to speak with

2767
01:37:41,020 --> 01:37:45,020
you. I was wondering, if you are

2768
01:37:45,020 --> 01:37:46,020
aware of the terrible condition

2769
01:37:46,020 --> 01:37:50,020
of the road between the village,

2770
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:52,020
Pointe-Claire Village, and

2771
01:37:52,020 --> 01:37:54,020
boulevard de source. You know,

2772
01:37:54,020 --> 01:37:57,020
that road is used by, some

2773
01:37:57,020 --> 01:38:00,080
weekends, especially by bikers,

2774
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,080
more than cars. And it's

2775
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,080
downright dangerous. There is

2776
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:07,080
huge, big cracks, there are

2777
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,080
manhole covers that are several

2778
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:12,080
inches below the surface, so,

2779
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,080
you're going, trying to avoid a

2780
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:15,080
manhole cover, and you tried

2781
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,080
then, you come to a crack, try

2782
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,080
to avoid that, and the buses are

2783
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:23,080
coming at you, and I was

2784
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:27,080
wondering if this is your

2785
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,080
responsibility to build that

2786
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,080
road again? But the worst part

2787
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,080
of the road, you know, Lachine

2788
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,080
is okay, LaSalle, Baie-D'Urfé,

2789
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,080
St. and, you know? That road is

2790
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,080
the most wonderful biking trail

2791
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,080
in the world. It goes all the

2792
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:46,080
way to old Montréal and that

2793
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,080
spot between the village and the

2794
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,080
sources road is an absolute

2795
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:55,080
disaster. I was hoping that you

2796
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,080
would take that and look at the

2797
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:58,080
situation, and see if there's

2798
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:02,040
anything that can be done.

2799
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,040
>> As a cyclist, I have to tell

2800
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:05,040
you, it's pretty bad in

2801
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:06,040
Baie-D'Urfé to, I feel. I've

2802
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:08,040
gone to Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue,

2803
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,040
I mean, it's hard. This is

2804
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:13,040
Québec, these are Québec roads.

2805
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:14,040
Is Pointe-Claire worse than

2806
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,040
anywhere else? I'm not sure. As

2807
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:18,040
a cyclist, I find you've got to

2808
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,040
keep your wits about you on

2809
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,040
almost all of it. You are

2810
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,040
talking lakeshore, are you

2811
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:25,040
specifically?

2812
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,040
>> Yeah, lakeshore boulevard.

2813
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,040
>> Sources, from the village?

2814
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,040
>> Particularly -- okay, go

2815
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,040
ahead, Kelly. There's a section.

2816
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,040
>> It's acknowledged and it's on

2817
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,040
our plan of action. There's a

2818
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:38,040
section being done this summer,

2819
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,040
but we are coordinating, okay,

2820
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:41,040
don't quote me on this summer, I

2821
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,040
thought it was this summer. But

2822
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,040
we are coordinating with, there

2823
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,040
needs to be some major piping

2824
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:47,040
work done by the City of

2825
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,040
Montréal. So, as that goes

2826
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,040
through, that work along

2827
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,040
lakeshore, boulevard board the

2828
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,040
Lac will occur. 100%, everyone

2829
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:56,040
agrees with you, it's a main

2830
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:57,040
thoroughfare and it's one of the

2831
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,040
criteria that we use when we

2832
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:00,000
prioritize which he gets done.

2833
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,000
There are various criteria under

2834
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,000
how many water main breaks,

2835
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,000
what's on above, how frequently

2836
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,000
it's used, the amount of

2837
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:09,000
traffic. But it is already

2838
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:10,000
acknowledged. It's on the

2839
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:12,000
engineering list.

2840
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:15,000
>> Well, you know, like, in

2841
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:18,000
Dorval, all of a sudden, it's

2842
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,000
silky, you just keep going. But

2843
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,000
that park, you know, between the

2844
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,000
village and the sources is

2845
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,000
really, it has been done over

2846
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,000
and over again, repair, upon

2847
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,000
repair, upon repair.

2848
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,000
>> It is slated to be entirely,

2849
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,000
a lot of it is slated to be

2850
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,000
entirely repaved. Councillor

2851
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,000
towards that Cohen is correct.

2852
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,000
But could I encourage you to try

2853
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:42,000
a bike path? We have a good one

2854
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,000
along Hymus. We have another

2855
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:48,000
good one along Donegani as well.

2856
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,000
>> Donegani is beautiful.

2857
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:54,000
>> -- a lot of bike paths. --

2858
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,000
>> What makes that road, of

2859
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,000
course, very special is the

2860
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,000
board you lack, going by the

2861
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:03,060
lake. If Lachine can do it, if

2862
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:06,060
Baie-D'Urfé can do it, I'm sure

2863
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:07,060
Pointe-Claire can.

2864
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:09,060
>> Baie-D'Urfé doesn't have a

2865
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:10,060
bike path along the.

2866
01:41:10,060 --> 01:41:11,060
Baie-D'Urfé, there is no bike

2867
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:12,060
path. Lachine, in fact, does and

2868
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:14,060
part of Dorval. There is not a

2869
01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:16,060
bike path, it's not a bike path.

2870
01:41:16,060 --> 01:41:17,060
Baie-D'Urfé, not at all.

2871
01:41:17,060 --> 01:41:18,060
Baie-D'Urfé, you've got the

2872
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:19,060
little cement trial that pushes

2873
01:41:19,060 --> 01:41:21,060
you right out. I find it even

2874
01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:24,060
more dangerous, but bottom line,

2875
01:41:24,060 --> 01:41:27,060
you are right. Better asphalt is

2876
01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:28,060
better for biking, that's for

2877
01:41:28,060 --> 01:41:30,060
sure. Part of Lake Falls Blake

2878
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:31,060
shore is getting done, but in

2879
01:41:31,060 --> 01:41:34,060
the meantime, try a bike path.

2880
01:41:34,060 --> 01:41:35,060
They are nice as well.

2881
01:41:35,060 --> 01:41:37,060
>> Well, I personally like that

2882
01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:39,060
because of -- thank you. Thanks

2883
01:41:39,060 --> 01:41:41,060
for listening to me and I hope

2884
01:41:41,060 --> 01:41:42,060
something can be done.

2885
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:43,060
>> Thank you, sir, I appreciate

2886
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:48,060
that. Wendy Crowley?

2887
01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:54,060
>> Good evening, thank you. In

2888
01:41:54,060 --> 01:41:56,060
the last council meeting, when

2889
01:41:56,060 --> 01:41:58,060
the discussion was about

2890
01:41:58,060 --> 01:42:00,020
densification and green space,

2891
01:42:00,020 --> 01:42:02,020
Councillor Stork, you said, we

2892
01:42:02,020 --> 01:42:04,020
are looking at punter woods,

2893
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:05,020
what can be done when something

2894
01:42:05,020 --> 01:42:07,020
goes there? I'm glad you've said

2895
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:09,020
that because I had not been

2896
01:42:09,020 --> 01:42:11,020
thinking about Ponner Woods or

2897
01:42:11,020 --> 01:42:13,020
paying attention. Since then,

2898
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:14,020
there's been the beginning of a

2899
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:18,020
gravel road put in from sources

2900
01:42:18,020 --> 01:42:19,020
into Ponner Woods, so I was

2901
01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:20,020
curious to know what that was

2902
01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:23,020
about. And my question is just,

2903
01:42:23,020 --> 01:42:25,020
who owns the land at Ponner

2904
01:42:25,020 --> 01:42:27,020
Woods and to what extent is this

2905
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:31,020
a protected reading space?

2906
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:32,020
>> Airport of Montréal.

2907
01:42:32,020 --> 01:42:33,020
>> It's the airport of Montréal

2908
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:36,020
land and it was already rezoned

2909
01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:38,020
green space, natural, it is

2910
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:39,020
green. It is not zoned for

2911
01:42:39,020 --> 01:42:42,020
anything to go in there. And if

2912
01:42:42,020 --> 01:42:43,020
that were to happen, it would

2913
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:46,020
have to come to Council as an

2914
01:42:46,020 --> 01:42:48,020
amendment to the zoning, which

2915
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:50,020
is not at all being discussed.

2916
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:52,020
There could be the gravel road

2917
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:53,020
going in, only because they have

2918
01:42:53,020 --> 01:42:54,020
to do maintenance about the ash

2919
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:55,020
trees. It's their responsibility

2920
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:57,020
to take that out. That would be

2921
01:42:57,020 --> 01:42:58,020
my hypothesis, I don't know if

2922
01:42:58,020 --> 01:42:59,020
we've received information for

2923
01:42:59,020 --> 01:43:00,080
the airport of Montréal.

2924
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,080
Usually, the fire, the people

2925
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,080
have directly along Ponner

2926
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:05,080
Woods, when work is being done,

2927
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,080
so perhaps they know. But there

2928
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,080
are no plans to develop Ponner

2929
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:10,080
Woods that haven't all been

2930
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,080
discussed at Council.

2931
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:13,080
>> It has seemed to come up in

2932
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,080
the last council meeting.

2933
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:16,080
>> I think, honestly, I think it

2934
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,080
was an error. Unless Councillor

2935
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,080
Stork, you might, that I don't

2936
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:20,080
think he meant. That really, it

2937
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,080
would be very much a surprise.

2938
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,080
>> I think my reference was

2939
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:25,080
probably to green space is being

2940
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,080
protected or green spaces that

2941
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:30,080
are available. At no point I

2942
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:33,080
100% -- Thorstad-Cullen that

2943
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:34,080
there's nothing in the wood

2944
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,080
works there that is --

2945
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,080
>> Okay, it just hit me when I

2946
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:38,080
heard it and then I started to

2947
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:39,080
go, then I saw the road coming

2948
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,080
in, so, I was concerned. Thank

2949
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:43,080
you.

2950
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:45,080
>> Okay, do we have time for one

2951
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:46,080
more?

2952
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:47,080
>> Time is up.

2953
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:52,080
>> Time is up? Okay. Okay, yeah,

2954
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:54,080
but there is a couple others.

2955
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,080
>> With all due respect, an

2956
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:56,080
awful lot of talk was

2957
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,080
[Inaudible]

2958
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,040
Number of us are here, other

2959
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:02,040
topics that are important to us.

2960
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,040
I think that time should be

2961
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:05,040
continued for those

2962
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:08,040
[Inaudible]

2963
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:10,040
Talk about their important

2964
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,040
topic, others have important

2965
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:13,040
topics. I am

2966
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:15,040
[Inaudible]

2967
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:16,040
Would very much appreciate

2968
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,040
[Inaudible]

2969
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:23,040
>> Well, yes, yes. Okay, would

2970
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,040
we everybody who's before this

2971
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:28,040
gentleman concede to allowing

2972
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:29,040
one more and allowing this

2973
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,040
gentlemen? No, that's not going

2974
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,040
to happen. We have a 90 minute

2975
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,040
time limit and this has been the

2976
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:36,040
case from the beginning, and

2977
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,040
those who get here early get on

2978
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:41,040
the list first. So, --

2979
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:42,040
>> So I can bring my friends

2980
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:43,040
next time?

2981
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:44,040
[Inaudible]

2982
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:45,040
>> With all due respect, sir,

2983
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:49,040
they got here first. People got

2984
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,040
on the list and we are going in

2985
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:51,040
the order of the names on the

2986
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:54,040
list. I'm asking if the

2987
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:55,040
concession can be made for one

2988
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:56,040
more, if you would like to be

2989
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:58,040
you. But if not, sorry, we are

2990
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,000
not going to do the whole room.

2991
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,000
So, I am trying to give the

2992
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,000
concession of kindness here. I

2993
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,000
don't know, there are other

2994
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,000
people ahead of this gentlemen.

2995
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,000
So, I want to be fair to the

2996
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,000
people who got here before you,

2997
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:16,000
to ask a question. What is your

2998
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,000
name, sir?

2999
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:19,000
[Inaudible]

3000
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,000
>> You are the last. There is

3001
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:21,000
one, two, three, three more

3002
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,000
before, then two more. After

3003
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:24,000
that. So, there were three

3004
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:26,000
before you, Mr. Stephens. So,

3005
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,000
I've got to say, if it's okay

3006
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,000
with the rest of the room, well

3007
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,000
I will out Mr. Stephens?

3008
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,000
[Inaudible]

3009
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,000
>> Curt is a double edged sword,

3010
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,000
sir. Curd is a double edged

3011
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,000
sword. I might point out that we

3012
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,000
give a lot longer question

3013
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,000
period than most other

3014
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,000
municipalities. We are extremely

3015
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,000
generous and you guys get more

3016
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,060
than your share. So, I don't

3017
01:46:00,060 --> 01:46:02,060
think, I think you're being a

3018
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:04,060
little harsh on this one. Would

3019
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:07,060
people like Mr. Stephens, one

3020
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:09,060
more? Because Council has agreed

3021
01:46:09,060 --> 01:46:11,060
to one more? But the people,

3022
01:46:11,060 --> 01:46:13,060
will anybody be offended?

3023
01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:14,060
Because there are names before

3024
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:16,060
him. Okay, go ahead, Mr.

3025
01:46:16,060 --> 01:46:19,060
Stephens. Well, I am.

3026
01:46:19,060 --> 01:46:22,060
[Inaudible]

3027
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:25,060
>> She's fine. Ma'am, we, this

3028
01:46:25,060 --> 01:46:27,060
is an act of generosity and I

3029
01:46:27,060 --> 01:46:29,060
thank you for your graciousness.

3030
01:46:29,060 --> 01:46:31,060
Mr. Stephens is a little more

3031
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:34,060
concerned than the rest of you,

3032
01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:35,060
so I thought maybe -- I

3033
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:38,060
apologize.

3034
01:46:38,060 --> 01:46:39,060
>> I'm just saying

3035
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:42,060
[Inaudible]

3036
01:46:43,060 --> 01:46:46,060
>> Okay, so we won't do it then.

3037
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:48,060
[Inaudible]

3038
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:51,060
>> Look, are we doing it or not?

3039
01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:52,060
It's up to you guys. It's an act

3040
01:46:52,060 --> 01:46:54,060
of generosity. Okay, go ahead,

3041
01:46:54,060 --> 01:46:55,060
sir.

3042
01:46:55,060 --> 01:46:56,060
>> Thank you, thank you very

3043
01:46:56,060 --> 01:46:58,060
much and I express my thanks to

3044
01:46:58,060 --> 01:47:00,020
those who conceded. It's their

3045
01:47:00,020 --> 01:47:01,020
place to let me stand at the

3046
01:47:01,020 --> 01:47:02,020
microphone right now. I will do

3047
01:47:02,020 --> 01:47:04,020
my best to be as concise as

3048
01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:06,020
possible. My name is Noah

3049
01:47:06,020 --> 01:47:09,020
Stevens, I love it 400 13

3050
01:47:09,020 --> 01:47:10,020
Hermitage. I have two concerns

3051
01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:12,020
which I will express with the

3052
01:47:12,020 --> 01:47:13,020
brevity of which I'm capable of.

3053
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:15,020
For the first concern is garbage

3054
01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:17,020
collection. I would like to ask

3055
01:47:17,020 --> 01:47:19,020
Council if it would consider

3056
01:47:19,020 --> 01:47:21,020
tonight or in the near future

3057
01:47:21,020 --> 01:47:25,020
debating, at some point,

3058
01:47:25,020 --> 01:47:27,020
creating reverting, actually, to

3059
01:47:27,020 --> 01:47:29,020
what was past practice in years

3060
01:47:29,020 --> 01:47:30,020
gone by, which is for

3061
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:32,020
Pointe-Claire, the city, to have

3062
01:47:32,020 --> 01:47:33,020
its own garbage collection

3063
01:47:33,020 --> 01:47:36,020
service. There are two reasons

3064
01:47:36,020 --> 01:47:38,020
for proposing this. One is the

3065
01:47:38,020 --> 01:47:39,020
current garbage collection

3066
01:47:39,020 --> 01:47:40,020
service, which I've been given

3067
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:42,020
to understand is the only one

3068
01:47:42,020 --> 01:47:45,020
that has tendered a contract, a,

3069
01:47:45,020 --> 01:47:48,020
does not do its job. I'm not

3070
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:49,020
saying it's not capable of doing

3071
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:51,020
its job, I'm saying it does not.

3072
01:47:51,020 --> 01:47:52,020
Of the last three collections,

3073
01:47:52,020 --> 01:47:54,020
it has left garbage at the

3074
01:47:54,020 --> 01:47:56,020
bottom of my garbage can twice.

3075
01:47:56,020 --> 01:47:59,020
I've had to ask Pointe-Claire

3076
01:47:59,020 --> 01:48:00,080
Public Works to have the service

3077
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:01,080
come back and empty my garbage

3078
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,080
can, so they are ineffective.

3079
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:04,080
The second is their disregard

3080
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,080
for personal property. I don't

3081
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:07,080
know how many people here in the

3082
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:08,080
room have experience it, but I

3083
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:09,080
know that many Pointe-Claire

3084
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:12,080
residents have. They are known

3085
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:13,080
for breaking garbage cans,

3086
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:14,080
they've broken quite a number of

3087
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:15,080
mine over the past few years.

3088
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,080
That's my first point. And as I

3089
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:18,080
promised with brevity, I will

3090
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:21,080
move on to the second one, which

3091
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:23,080
is, on a different topic. The

3092
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:24,080
number of streets in

3093
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,080
Pointe-Claire that are blocked

3094
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:30,080
by tree services, tradesmen of

3095
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:31,080
various types, my question to

3096
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,080
Council is, is their

3097
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:37,080
recommendation limiting to what

3098
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:39,080
degree a truck in part on

3099
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:41,080
lakeshore road take up a half or

3100
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:43,080
more than half of the lane, when

3101
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,080
there's services to countries

3102
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:48,080
down or to gardening, when there

3103
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,080
is a side street that they could

3104
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,080
park on, there is a parking lot

3105
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:52,080
nearby they can park on, there

3106
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,080
is the driveway of the customer

3107
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,080
they could park in, which is

3108
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:59,080
often free. And if there are

3109
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:00,040
rules regarding this, why are

3110
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,040
they not enforced? And if there

3111
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:03,040
are not rules regarding this, I

3112
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:05,040
would ask Council to consider

3113
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:06,040
the possibility of adopting

3114
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:10,040
some. So that we do not

3115
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:11,040
experience situations like the

3116
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:12,040
ones I experienced often, which

3117
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:13,040
is on lakeshore road in the

3118
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,040
morning, I have to swerve around

3119
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,040
trucks. My own house, my own

3120
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,040
driveway, was blocked three days

3121
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:21,040
ago by a tree service, which

3122
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,040
simply block my driveway because

3123
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,040
they wanted to, and I had to ask

3124
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:25,040
them to move. I can give more

3125
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:26,040
examples, but I think you get

3126
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,040
the picture. Thank you very much

3127
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:29,040
for listening and thanks again.

3128
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:32,040
>> Okay, your points are taken

3129
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:36,040
on all counts. Garbage, well,

3130
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:39,040
investing in our own garbage

3131
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,040
service would be, far more

3132
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:44,040
costly than taxpayer would wish.

3133
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:45,040
You would have to get the

3134
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,040
vehicles, staff, et cetera. It

3135
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,040
goes to tender and it goes to

3136
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:51,040
the certain better, and you are

3137
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,040
right, I mean, if the service is

3138
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:54,040
not delivered adequately

3139
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:56,040
overtime, you go to tender again

3140
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,040
or you change. So, your point is

3141
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:01,000
well taken on that one. I think

3142
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:02,000
it's too costly to do it

3143
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,000
ourselves, to be honest with

3144
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,000
you, but, you know, I have not

3145
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,000
done the math. I'm pretty sure

3146
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:07,000
that's the answer on that one.

3147
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,000
As for damaging, yes, that

3148
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:13,000
should be followed up. If it's

3149
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:14,000
resulting in too much damage, we

3150
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:15,000
have to keep track of that and

3151
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:16,000
make sure that it stops

3152
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:20,000
happening, for sure. As for, I'm

3153
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,000
very intrigued. I often wonder

3154
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,000
about contractors parking on the

3155
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,000
roads. I think for trees, it's

3156
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:27,000
understandable. I think they may

3157
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,000
need equipment. But if it's

3158
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:30,000
being abused, absolutely. And it

3159
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,000
is a tough one to catch or

3160
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:37,000
regulate. All we can do is be

3161
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:40,000
perseverance and if you see one,

3162
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,000
you can phone it in or complain,

3163
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,000
if you feel someone's abusing.

3164
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:46,000
>> I have in the past.

3165
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,000
[Inaudible]

3166
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,000
Told that either a police

3167
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,000
officer -- would have to catch

3168
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,000
them in the act.

3169
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:58,000
[Inaudible]

3170
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,060
By Hermitage Park, there was a

3171
01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:02,060
construction project going

3172
01:51:02,060 --> 01:51:04,060
[Inaudible]

3173
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:05,060
They routinely park in the

3174
01:51:05,060 --> 01:51:06,060
street.

3175
01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:08,060
[Inaudible]

3176
01:51:08,060 --> 01:51:09,060
Then they drive outside the

3177
01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:11,060
cones, they leave -- in the

3178
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:13,060
street outside the home, hazard

3179
01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:14,060
for traffic and

3180
01:51:14,060 --> 01:51:16,060
[Inaudible]

3181
01:51:16,060 --> 01:51:18,060
So, if there are rules, they are

3182
01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:19,060
being disrespected.

3183
01:51:19,060 --> 01:51:20,060
>> Well, thanks for pointing

3184
01:51:20,060 --> 01:51:22,060
that out. That is duly noted.

3185
01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:27,060
Thank you very much. Okay,

3186
01:51:31,060 --> 01:51:32,060
peut-on continuer? Madame

3187
01:51:32,060 --> 01:51:36,060
Thibault?

3188
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:37,060
- 5.1 Avis de motion et dépôt

3189
01:51:37,060 --> 01:51:38,060
d'un projet de Règlement

3190
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:39,060
modifiant le règlement PC-2918

3191
01:51:39,060 --> 01:51:40,060
relatif à la lutte contre la

3192
01:51:40,060 --> 01:51:41,060
propagation de l'agrile du frêne

3193
01:51:41,060 --> 01:51:42,060
sur le territoire de la Ville de

3194
01:51:42,060 --> 01:51:46,060
PointeClaire.

3195
01:51:46,060 --> 01:51:48,060
les modifications visent à

3196
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:49,060
corriger

3197
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:50,060
(inaudible)

3198
01:51:50,060 --> 01:51:51,060
, apporter des clarifications

3199
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:52,060
afin d'éviter toute ambiguïté

3200
01:51:52,060 --> 01:51:54,060
dans l'interprétation du

3201
01:51:54,060 --> 01:51:55,060
règlement, dans les délais

3202
01:51:55,060 --> 01:51:57,060
applicables, par suite de

3203
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:58,060
l'émission d'un avis par la

3204
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:00,020
Ville, suite à une autorisation

3205
01:52:00,020 --> 01:52:01,020
d'abattage reçu par les

3206
01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:02,020
citoyens, une amende dans le cas

3207
01:52:02,020 --> 01:52:04,020
de récidive qui a été ajouté.

3208
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:06,020
>> Do we give this notice a

3209
01:52:06,020 --> 01:52:08,020
motion?

3210
01:52:08,020 --> 01:52:12,020
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3211
01:52:12,020 --> 01:52:13,020
>> 5.2, notice of motion and

3212
01:52:13,020 --> 01:52:15,020
filing of a draft bylaw amending

3213
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:17,020
zoning bylaw P C 27.75 of the

3214
01:52:17,020 --> 01:52:19,020
city of Pointe-Claire to ensure

3215
01:52:19,020 --> 01:52:20,020
concordance with the provisions

3216
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:22,020
of the provincial bylaw on

3217
01:52:22,020 --> 01:52:24,020
residential pool safety. The

3218
01:52:24,020 --> 01:52:25,020
amendment to zoning bylaw is

3219
01:52:25,020 --> 01:52:26,020
required to update certain

3220
01:52:26,020 --> 01:52:27,020
definitions, primarily

3221
01:52:27,020 --> 01:52:29,020
associated with swimming pools

3222
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:30,020
and definitions concerning water

3223
01:52:30,020 --> 01:52:32,020
gardens and rain gardens, as

3224
01:52:32,020 --> 01:52:34,020
well as to modify and adapt

3225
01:52:34,020 --> 01:52:35,020
section 5.10, in order to

3226
01:52:35,020 --> 01:52:40,020
implement the provisions of the

3227
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:41,020
provincial bylaw on residential

3228
01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:42,020
swimming pools.

3229
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:43,020
>> Who gives this notice a

3230
01:52:43,020 --> 01:52:44,020
motion?

3231
01:52:44,020 --> 01:52:49,020
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3232
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:50,020
5.3 Adoption d'un premier projet

3233
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:51,020
de Règlement modifiant le

3234
01:52:51,020 --> 01:52:52,020
règlement de zonage numéro

3235
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:53,020
PC2775 de la Ville de

3236
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:54,020
Pointe-Claire afin d'assurer une

3237
01:52:54,020 --> 01:52:56,020
concordance aux dispositions du

3238
01:52:56,020 --> 01:52:57,020
règlement provincial sur la

3239
01:52:57,020 --> 01:53:02,080
sécurité des piscines

3240
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:04,080
résidentielles.

3241
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:09,080
>>

3242
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:10,080
5.4 Adoption of a By-Law

3243
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:11,080
constituting the Stewart Hall

3244
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:12,080
Advisory Board. Since the --

3245
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:13,080
significant changes updating the

3246
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:14,080
terminology, the

3247
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:15,080
responsibilities, and the

3248
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:16,080
mandate of the committee, the

3249
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:17,080
opponent of the members, as well

3250
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:18,080
as the number of meetings.

3251
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,080
>> For 5.3 and 5.4, do I have a

3252
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:21,080
mover?

3253
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,080
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3254
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:24,080
>> And seconder?

3255
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:25,080
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3256
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:29,080
>> All in favour?

3257
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:31,080
>> Mister Mayor, I'm sorry. I'm

3258
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:32,080
a little slow on the uptick.

3259
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,080
Might I suggest that everyone

3260
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:37,080
who didn't get to ask the

3261
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:38,080
question that the simply send by

3262
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:39,080
email tomorrow? So that they can

3263
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:41,080
still submit a question.

3264
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:44,080
>> We have, that has been ruled

3265
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:45,080
not admissible.

3266
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,080
>> No, but they can always email

3267
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:48,080
their questions to councillors

3268
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:49,080
or to the City.

3269
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:52,080
>> Sure. If you are concerned,

3270
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:55,080
you can always email us. You

3271
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:56,080
guys, I think you are aware of

3272
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:59,080
that.

3273
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,040
>> 6. Conseil municipal. 6.1

3274
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:14,040
Accorder un soutien financier

3275
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:15,040
pour un montant total de 600$ à

3276
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,040
l'école primaire St. John Fisher

3277
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:20,040
Sr. le comité demande un

3278
01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:22,040
financement pour les activités

3279
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:25,040
reliées à la remise des diplômes

3280
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,040
de sixième année, tel que la

3281
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:29,040
baume définissant, la réception,

3282
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:30,040
le bal et la danse. 6.2 Grant a

3283
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:31,040
financial support

3284
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:32,040
For a total amount of $ 105 to

3285
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:33,040
The Royal Canadian Legion of

3286
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:36,040
PointeClaire. This financial

3287
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:39,040
support is for the purchase of a

3288
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:40,040
flower reap for the annual

3289
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:41,040
commemorative ceremony on June

3290
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:42,040
11th. 6.3 Accorder un soutien

3291
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:45,040
financier pour un montant total

3292
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:46,040
de 500$ au Festival de Blues de

3293
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:51,040
l'Ouest de l'Île. un montant 6.4

3294
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:54,040
Grant a financial support

3295
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:55,040
correspond qui for a total

3296
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:56,040
amount of à l'achat de $ 5,000

3297
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:57,040
to the West Island trois billets

3298
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,040
pour les membres du conseil.

3299
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:01,000
Blues Festival. The West Island

3300
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,000
blues festival association

3301
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:04,000
organizes

3302
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:05,000
A show of musical groups,

3303
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:06,000
including a day in Pointe-Claire

3304
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:07,000
in September and proceeds from

3305
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:08,000
ticket sales go to nonprofit

3306
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:12,000
organizations.

3307
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,000
- 6.5 Autoriser la participation

3308
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,000
de quatre

3309
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:16,000
(4)

3310
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:17,000
membres du conseil et le maire

3311
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:18,000
au 12e édition du tournoi de

3312
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:19,000
golf organisé par les Hôpitaux

3313
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:20,000
Shriners pour enfants devant se

3314
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:21,000
tenir le 7 août 2023 au Club de

3315
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:25,000
golf Elm Ridge. la Ville procède

3316
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,000
à l'achat d'un quatuor de golf

3317
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:28,000
de

3318
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,000
(---)

3319
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,000
, décoiffée rend la

3320
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:31,000
participation au tournoi.

3321
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:36,000
>> Do I have a mover?

3322
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:39,000
- Je propose d'accorder les and

3323
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,000
montants noter, seconder?

3324
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,000
>> Bruno Tremblay, district six.

3325
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:42,000
Cynthia Homan, district five.

3326
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,000
>> All in favour?

3327
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,000
>> 7.1 File the minutes of the

3328
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,000
March 28, 2023, meeting of the

3329
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:54,000
Youth Advisory Board. 7.2

3330
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:55,000
Déposer le procès-verbal de la

3331
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:56,000
réunion du 26 avril 2023 du

3332
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:57,000
Comité consultatif jeunesse. 7.3

3333
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,000
File the minutes of the April

3334
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,060
26, 2023, meeting of the Stewart

3335
01:56:00,060 --> 01:56:03,060
Hall Advisory Board. 7.3 Déposer

3336
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:04,060
le procès-verbal de la réunion

3337
01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:05,060
du 26 avril 2023 du Comité

3338
01:56:05,060 --> 01:56:06,060
consultatif Stewart Hall. 7.4

3339
01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:07,060
Déposer le procès-verbal de la

3340
01:56:07,060 --> 01:56:08,060
réunion du 18 mai 2023 du Comité

3341
01:56:08,060 --> 01:56:09,060
Consultatif de la Bibliothèque

3342
01:56:09,060 --> 01:56:10,060
de Pointe-Claire. 7.5 Appoint

3343
01:56:10,060 --> 01:56:11,060
members to the 7.5 Nommer des

3344
01:56:11,060 --> 01:56:12,060
membres au sein du Comité d'art

3345
01:56:12,060 --> 01:56:13,060
public de Pointe-Claire.

3346
01:56:13,060 --> 01:56:14,060
Pointe-Claire Public Art

3347
01:56:14,060 --> 01:56:17,060
Committee. It is recommended

3348
01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:18,060
that two new members be

3349
01:56:18,060 --> 01:56:21,060
appointed to the Pointe-Claire

3350
01:56:21,060 --> 01:56:22,060
Public Art committee, being Mrs.

3351
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:23,060
Valérie mucky, Pointe-Claire

3352
01:56:23,060 --> 01:56:26,060
artists, and Geneviève slow, a

3353
01:56:26,060 --> 01:56:27,060
West Island artist for turned

3354
01:56:27,060 --> 01:56:28,060
violent until December 21st,

3355
01:56:28,060 --> 01:56:31,060
2024. 7.6 Nommer un membre du

3356
01:56:31,060 --> 01:56:36,060
conseil au sein du Comité de

3357
01:56:36,060 --> 01:56:37,060
démolition. afin de combler un

3358
01:56:37,060 --> 01:56:38,060
siège vacant sur le Comité de

3359
01:56:38,060 --> 01:56:39,060
and 7.7 Appoint a Council member

3360
01:56:39,060 --> 01:56:40,060
démolition, pour to the

3361
01:56:40,060 --> 01:56:41,060
Pointe-Claire siéger sur ce

3362
01:56:41,060 --> 01:56:42,060
comité.

3363
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:43,060
Aquatic Club. It is proposed to

3364
01:56:43,060 --> 01:56:44,060
appoint Councillor Eric Stork

3365
01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:46,060
does it on the Pointe-Claire

3366
01:56:46,060 --> 01:56:47,060
aquatic Club committee.

3367
01:56:47,060 --> 01:56:49,060
>> For 7.5 to 7.7, do I have a

3368
01:56:49,060 --> 01:56:51,060
mover?

3369
01:56:51,060 --> 01:56:52,060
>> Terrace in fourth, district

3370
01:56:52,060 --> 01:56:54,060
four. I move to approve the

3371
01:56:54,060 --> 01:56:55,060
appointment of various members

3372
01:56:55,060 --> 01:56:57,060
to various committees.

3373
01:56:57,060 --> 01:56:59,060
>> And seconder?

3374
01:56:59,060 --> 01:57:00,020
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3375
01:57:00,020 --> 01:57:03,020
>> All in favour?

3376
01:57:12,020 --> 01:57:14,020
- 10. Finances et trésorerie.

3377
01:57:14,020 --> 01:57:15,020
10.1 Déposer la liste des

3378
01:57:15,020 --> 01:57:16,020
amendements budgétaires et le

3379
01:57:16,020 --> 01:57:17,020
registre des chèques pour la

3380
01:57:17,020 --> 01:57:18,020
période du 20 avril au 24 mai

3381
01:57:18,020 --> 01:57:19,020
2023. 10.2 Award a contract for

3382
01:57:19,020 --> 01:57:20,020
the acquisition of office

3383
01:57:20,020 --> 01:57:21,020
Supplies for the period of

3384
01:57:21,020 --> 01:57:22,020
August 1, 2023, to July 31,

3385
01:57:22,020 --> 01:57:27,020
2024, to NOVEXCO INC., For a

3386
01:57:27,020 --> 01:57:29,020
total amount of $ 293,238.59,

3387
01:57:29,020 --> 01:57:32,020
taxes included, with three

3388
01:57:32,020 --> 01:57:37,020
periods in option. It involves

3389
01:57:38,020 --> 01:57:39,020
the supply and delivery of

3390
01:57:39,020 --> 01:57:40,020
office applies and printing

3391
01:57:40,020 --> 01:57:42,020
paper to meet the needs of the

3392
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:47,020
cities various departments.

3393
01:57:47,020 --> 01:57:48,020
- 11. Affaires juridiques et

3394
01:57:48,020 --> 01:57:49,020
greffe. 11.1 Dispense de

3395
01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:50,020
souscription au fonds

3396
01:57:50,020 --> 01:57:51,020
d'assurance responsabilité

3397
01:57:51,020 --> 01:57:53,020
professionnelle du Barreau du

3398
01:57:53,020 --> 01:57:55,020
Québec. cette résolution permet

3399
01:57:55,020 --> 01:57:56,020
de déclarer qu'aux fins du

3400
01:57:56,020 --> 01:57:58,020
règlement sur l'assurance de la

3401
01:57:58,020 --> 01:57:59,020
responsabilité professionnelle

3402
01:57:59,020 --> 01:58:00,080
de la part du Québec, la Ville

3403
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,080
de Pointe-Claire se porte

3404
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:03,080
garante et répond financièrement

3405
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:05,080
les conséquences de toute erreur

3406
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:06,080
aux missions des deux avocats

3407
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:08,080
ontariens, Maître Caroline

3408
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:09,080
Thibault, Maître

3409
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:10,080
(---)

3410
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:11,080
, dans l'exercice de leurs

3411
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:12,080
fonctions, en conséquence de la

3412
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,080
ville qui est dispensée de payer

3413
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:16,080
les sommes ni liés à la

3414
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:19,080
souscription d'assurance. Do I

3415
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:20,080
have a mover?

3416
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:21,080
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3417
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:22,080
District three.

3418
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:23,080
>> Seconder?

3419
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:24,080
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3420
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:28,080
>> All in favour?

3421
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:29,080
>> 12.1 File the list of

3422
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:30,080
delegated staff changes for the

3423
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:34,080
month of June 2023.

3424
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:36,080
- 12.2 Approuver la liste des

3425
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:37,080
changements au Personnel par

3426
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:38,080
décisions non déléguées au 6

3427
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:41,080
juin 2023.

3428
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:43,080
>> 12.3, to confirm a new

3429
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,080
mandate within the framework of

3430
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:48,080
the regrouping of -- to proceed

3431
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:51,080
with a call for tenders to

3432
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:53,080
proceed with -- a consultant

3433
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:55,080
regarding the collective group

3434
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:56,080
insurance for municipal

3435
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,080
employees. This program provides

3436
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:00,040
access to the lowest

3437
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:02,040
administrative costs, the most

3438
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:03,040
advantageous insurance coverage,

3439
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:05,040
better control of this budget

3440
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:06,040
item and an insurance portfolio

3441
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:08,040
tailored to the needs and

3442
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:10,040
financial capabilities to the

3443
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:11,040
City of Pointe-Claire.

3444
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:16,040
>> For 12.2 to 12.3, do I have a

3445
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:18,040
mover??

3446
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,040
>> Well Eric Stork, district

3447
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:21,040
seven.

3448
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:22,040
>> Tara Stainforth, the district

3449
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:23,040
four.

3450
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:24,040
14.1 Approuver une entente à

3451
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:25,040
intervenir avec ARPE Québec

3452
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:26,040
(L'Association pour le

3453
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:27,040
recyclage des produits

3454
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:28,040
électroniques du Québec)

3455
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:29,040
concernant les collectes et

3456
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:33,040
événements spéciaux. cet

3457
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:34,040
organisme à but non créatifs

3458
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:35,040
piloté par l'industrie

3459
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,040
coordonnée programmes de

3460
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:38,040
recyclage réglementés au Canada

3461
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:39,040
afin que les produits

3462
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:40,040
électroniques en fin de vie

3463
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:43,040
utile soient traitées de façon

3464
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,040
sécuritaire sur et écologiques.

3465
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:47,040
Elle recueille les produits

3466
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:48,040
électroniques dans des

3467
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:49,040
écocentres, les commerces de

3468
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:51,040
détail, les sites de collecte

3469
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,040
spécial.

3470
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:57,040
>> 14.2, to approve an agreement

3471
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:59,040
-- regarding the renunciation of

3472
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:03,000
prescription, it is in the

3473
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:04,000
interest of -- considering all

3474
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,000
sums that would be due between

3475
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,000
them in connection with the

3476
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:10,000
agreements for sharing of

3477
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:12,000
responsibilities -- on the three

3478
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:14,000
stations covering the period of

3479
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,000
January 1st, 2019, to May --

3480
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,000
2023.

3481
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:57,000
>> -- do I have a mover?

3482
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:59,000
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3483
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:00,060
district three --

3484
02:01:00,060 --> 02:01:04,060
>> -- district, two.

3485
02:01:04,060 --> 02:01:07,060
>> -- preparation and execution

3486
02:01:07,060 --> 02:01:12,060
of various -- upon requests to

3487
02:01:14,060 --> 02:01:18,060
MBA MDA -- the purpose of this

3488
02:01:18,060 --> 02:01:21,060
file is to award a contract for

3489
02:01:21,060 --> 02:01:25,060
-- of various projects, in

3490
02:01:25,060 --> 02:01:27,060
functional reservation and asset

3491
02:01:27,060 --> 02:01:28,060
maintenance project a crown

3492
02:01:28,060 --> 02:01:30,060
request.

3493
02:01:44,060 --> 02:01:45,060
15.2 Approve a change order to

3494
02:01:45,060 --> 02:01:50,060
the contract entered in two with

3495
02:01:51,060 --> 02:01:52,060
-- four masonry repair work at

3496
02:01:52,060 --> 02:01:54,060
the -- Cedar park chalets for an

3497
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:55,060
amount of $ 9,990.15, taxes

3498
02:01:55,060 --> 02:01:57,060
included.

3499
02:02:01,020 --> 02:02:03,020
>> Do I have a mover?

3500
02:02:09,020 --> 02:02:10,020
>> Tara Stainforth, district 4.

3501
02:02:10,020 --> 02:02:11,020
>> -- two district 6.

3502
02:02:11,020 --> 02:02:13,020
>> All in favour?

3503
02:02:49,020 --> 02:02:50,020
>> 16.2, to approve a change

3504
02:02:50,020 --> 02:02:55,020
order to the contract entered in

3505
02:02:55,020 --> 02:02:56,020
two with -- construction -- for

3506
02:02:56,020 --> 02:02:57,020
the construction of an

3507
02:02:57,020 --> 02:02:58,020
accessible sanitary building at

3508
02:02:58,020 --> 02:02:59,020
Augusta Park, for an amount of $

3509
02:02:59,020 --> 02:03:00,080
10,750.16, taxes included. At

3510
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:02,080
the cities request, the

3511
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:03,080
contractor supplied and

3512
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:05,080
installed an automatic door

3513
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:07,080
opener to -- reduced mobility.

3514
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:41,080
16.4 Approve a change order to

3515
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:43,080
the contract entered into with

3516
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:44,080
Réhabilitation Du O Inc., For

3517
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:45,080
the construction and development

3518
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:46,080
of a cycle path between Alston

3519
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:50,080
and Mason avenues, for an amount

3520
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:55,080
of $ 11,267.55, taxes included.

3521
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:57,080
The installation of a second --

3522
02:03:57,080 --> 02:04:02,040
to close the trail. To vehicles

3523
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,040
using the trail illegally --

3524
02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:09,040
>> For 16.1 to 16.4, do I have a

3525
02:04:10,040 --> 02:04:11,040
mover?

3526
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:12,040
>> Eric Stork, district 7?

3527
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:13,040
>> And seconder?

3528
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:15,040
>> Brent Cowan, district 8 --

3529
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:22,000
>> For 16.5, do I have a mover?

3530
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:28,000
>> Cynthia Homan, district 5?

3531
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:29,000
>> A seconder?

3532
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:30,000
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3533
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,000
district 3?

3534
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:32,000
>> All in favour --

3535
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,000
>> Mr. Mayor, I would like to

3536
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:36,000
speak to this matter.

3537
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:37,000
>> --

3538
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:38,000
>> -- a lot has happened. We

3539
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:40,000
have seen a citizens movement

3540
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:41,000
culminated in over 300

3541
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:42,000
signatures, the vast majority

3542
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:46,000
from north of you

3543
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:52,000
Shriners Northview the district

3544
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:56,000
seven -- just without the

3545
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,000
outfield -- I say, again, the

3546
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:00,060
neighbours are for baseball

3547
02:06:00,060 --> 02:06:01,060
league play. I repeat, this is

3548
02:06:01,060 --> 02:06:06,060
not a case of NIMBYism -- simply

3549
02:06:06,060 --> 02:06:07,060
asking that they be heard and

3550
02:06:07,060 --> 02:06:08,060
their inputs carefully weighed.

3551
02:06:08,060 --> 02:06:11,060
We made the initial decision, I

3552
02:06:11,060 --> 02:06:12,060
believe, without considering the

3553
02:06:12,060 --> 02:06:13,060
special impact on the

3554
02:06:13,060 --> 02:06:15,060
neighbourhood. Luckily, we now

3555
02:06:15,060 --> 02:06:17,060
have the opportunity to change

3556
02:06:17,060 --> 02:06:18,060
the decision. This is not about

3557
02:06:18,060 --> 02:06:19,060
baseball versus other

3558
02:06:19,060 --> 02:06:21,060
activities. This is not about

3559
02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:22,060
local citizens versus the rest

3560
02:06:22,060 --> 02:06:24,060
of the city. It is about

3561
02:06:24,060 --> 02:06:26,060
optimizing use and enjoyment of

3562
02:06:26,060 --> 02:06:27,060
our remaining green spaces. In

3563
02:06:27,060 --> 02:06:30,060
doing so, we must not allow one

3564
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:31,060
usage to dominate another. We

3565
02:06:31,060 --> 02:06:33,060
are, or should be, about

3566
02:06:33,060 --> 02:06:35,060
compromise. The proposal to

3567
02:06:35,060 --> 02:06:37,060
build a fence now, and then

3568
02:06:37,060 --> 02:06:38,060
review after one year makes no

3569
02:06:38,060 --> 02:06:42,060
sense. If we proceed, to spend

3570
02:06:43,060 --> 02:06:48,060
over $100,000, and then make a

3571
02:06:48,060 --> 02:06:49,060
potential -- offence later --

3572
02:06:49,060 --> 02:06:51,060
this would be a clear waste of

3573
02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:53,060
taxpayers money. Much better to

3574
02:06:53,060 --> 02:06:56,060
-- empower our DG to --

3575
02:06:56,060 --> 02:06:57,060
substituting a batting cage for

3576
02:06:57,060 --> 02:07:00,020
offence, among other options. In

3577
02:07:00,020 --> 02:07:02,020
summation, the fence is not

3578
02:07:02,020 --> 02:07:05,020
required of Baseball Québec four

3579
02:07:05,020 --> 02:07:06,020
league play. There is no

3580
02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:07,020
evidence given that removing the

3581
02:07:07,020 --> 02:07:09,020
fence option creates any

3582
02:07:09,020 --> 02:07:10,020
additional risk of players or

3583
02:07:10,020 --> 02:07:12,020
any increased insurance risk.

3584
02:07:12,020 --> 02:07:14,020
And, as proven by this change

3585
02:07:14,020 --> 02:07:15,020
order, negotiate modifications

3586
02:07:15,020 --> 02:07:17,020
to the contract are feasible,

3587
02:07:17,020 --> 02:07:19,020
whereas the fence would

3588
02:07:19,020 --> 02:07:20,020
negatively impact the enjoyment

3589
02:07:20,020 --> 02:07:21,020
of the much loved open green

3590
02:07:21,020 --> 02:07:25,020
space at Northview park.

3591
02:07:25,020 --> 02:07:27,020
Therefore, accepting a provision

3592
02:07:27,020 --> 02:07:28,020
in this resolution under

3593
02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:30,020
discussion that removes the

3594
02:07:30,020 --> 02:07:32,020
eight foot fence and -- contract

3595
02:07:32,020 --> 02:07:34,020
for a value of the fence, I move

3596
02:07:34,020 --> 02:07:39,020
the following amendment. The --

3597
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:40,020
provision that adds back the

3598
02:07:40,020 --> 02:07:43,020
eight foot high fence and -- an

3599
02:07:43,020 --> 02:07:44,020
alternative to the fence, such

3600
02:07:44,020 --> 02:07:49,020
as a batting cage, or another

3601
02:07:49,020 --> 02:07:50,020
substitute.

3602
02:07:50,020 --> 02:07:52,020
[Applause]

3603
02:07:53,020 --> 02:07:57,020
>> So, we have a mover. Do I

3604
02:07:57,020 --> 02:07:58,020
have a seconder?

3605
02:07:58,020 --> 02:07:59,020
>> -- mover and a seconder for

3606
02:07:59,020 --> 02:08:03,080
this proposition -- I sumo that

3607
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:06,080
Mr. Eric Stork, you move your

3608
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:07,080
proposition?

3609
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:08,080
>> --

3610
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:10,080
>> --

3611
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:11,080
>> Councillor Brent Cowan just

3612
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:13,080
seconded --

3613
02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:15,080
>> Mr. Mayor, I would like -- to

3614
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:19,080
the comment in the -- my

3615
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:20,080
perception that the reason why

3616
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:22,080
this is a -- baseball field is

3617
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:25,080
that it has always been a --

3618
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:28,080
baseball field and that set in

3619
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:30,080
motion with the Public

3620
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:32,080
municipality and -- you just

3621
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:36,080
keep making it better for the --

3622
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:38,080
and you neglect to be -- and as

3623
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:42,080
I had said, in April or May, I

3624
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:43,080
think that was a mistake that we

3625
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:47,080
did not -- and the second thing

3626
02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:51,080
is the and this does create a

3627
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:53,080
transformational change in the

3628
02:08:53,080 --> 02:08:56,080
neighbourhood -- and when, in

3629
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:59,080
many other areas of municipal

3630
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:01,040
action, like when you do zoning

3631
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:04,040
bylaws, et cetera, when you are

3632
02:09:04,040 --> 02:09:05,040
proposing a transformational

3633
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:06,040
change to a zoning bylaw or a

3634
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:11,040
major -- zoning, bylaw, you

3635
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:12,040
always make -- like you heard

3636
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:13,040
tonight -- or something like

3637
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,040
that so the public becomes

3638
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:16,040
aware, and that allows the

3639
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:18,040
public, then, to organize if

3640
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:19,040
they want to. You were denied

3641
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:21,040
that option because we did not

3642
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:23,040
see it. We just voted on it

3643
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:28,040
three months ago. And so, I log

3644
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:33,040
laud you four -- you are not

3645
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,040
allowed, actually, to bring in a

3646
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:36,040
sign and show it at a public

3647
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:38,040
meeting. But, for all that, I'm

3648
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:40,040
proud to second this motion.

3649
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:42,040
[Applause]

3650
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:48,040
>> So, the motion is?

3651
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:52,040
>> We need to vote on the prep

3652
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:55,040
proposition made by -- so, a

3653
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:56,040
vote --

3654
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:57,040
>> So, all in favour?

3655
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:59,040
>> Against?

3656
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,000
>> -- sorry, I just want to make

3657
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:07,000
sure --

3658
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:08,000
>> Yeah, that's what I was

3659
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:10,000
asking. I agree.

3660
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:16,000
Juste pour être certaine, je

3661
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:18,000
vais être clair pour les gens

3662
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:19,000
dans la salle et à la maison,

3663
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:23,000
pour vous-même et moi-même. La

3664
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:25,000
proposition d' Amendement, en

3665
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:26,000
autres mots...

3666
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:28,000
>> In other words, Mr. monsieur

3667
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,000
Eric Stork Starke propose

3668
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:30,000
proposed --

3669
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:32,000
Dans plus de retirer l'item

3670
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:34,000
portant sur le filet en arrière

3671
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:36,000
champ, vous proposez de retirer

3672
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:39,000
également la clôture de 8 pieds.

3673
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:40,000
En d'autres mots, c'est ce que

3674
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,000
vous proposez?

3675
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:42,000
- Exactement.

3676
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:43,000
- Parfait.

3677
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:44,000
>> Who is in favour of that?

3678
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:47,000
>> Who is in favour of that?

3679
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:49,000
That was against?

3680
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:55,000
>> Okay.

3681
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:57,000
>> Okay.

3682
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:58,000
>> Thank you. Now we go back to

3683
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:02,060
the main proposition --

3684
02:11:03,060 --> 02:11:04,060
>>

3685
02:11:04,060 --> 02:11:05,060
>> Now we need a mover -- a vote

3686
02:11:05,060 --> 02:11:07,060
on the main preposition?

3687
02:11:07,060 --> 02:11:12,060
>> So, all of those in favour of

3688
02:11:13,060 --> 02:11:18,060
16.6 -- all against?

3689
02:11:21,060 --> 02:11:22,060
>> Voting --

3690
02:11:22,060 --> 02:11:25,060
>> You are voting on the main

3691
02:11:25,060 --> 02:11:27,060
proposition without the

3692
02:11:27,060 --> 02:11:30,060
amendment proposed by Mr. Stork

3693
02:11:30,060 --> 02:11:31,060
because --

3694
02:11:31,060 --> 02:11:34,060
>> Now, we are voting on --

3695
02:11:34,060 --> 02:11:37,060
>> Just to remove the net. Okay?

3696
02:11:37,060 --> 02:11:41,060
Do you want to re-vote now?

3697
02:11:41,060 --> 02:11:44,060
>> I think not.

3698
02:11:44,060 --> 02:11:47,060
>> I just want to make sure

3699
02:11:47,060 --> 02:11:52,060
everybody on the room --

3700
02:11:53,060 --> 02:11:54,060
>> Clarity is always a good

3701
02:11:54,060 --> 02:11:59,060
idea. 16.6?

3702
02:12:01,020 --> 02:12:04,020
>> -- contract for the

3703
02:12:04,020 --> 02:12:05,020
structural rehabilitation

3704
02:12:05,020 --> 02:12:09,020
between two there

3705
02:12:09,020 --> 02:12:13,020
Tudor avenue -- taxes included.

3706
02:12:18,020 --> 02:12:19,020
16.7 Rejeter toute soumission

3707
02:12:19,020 --> 02:12:20,020
reçue dans le cadre de l'appel

3708
02:12:20,020 --> 02:12:21,020
d'offres concernant le

3709
02:12:21,020 --> 02:12:22,020
remplacement des coffrets

3710
02:12:22,020 --> 02:12:23,020
d'éclairage sur le boulevard

3711
02:12:23,020 --> 02:12:24,020
Saint-Jean puisque le prix est

3712
02:12:24,020 --> 02:12:27,020
trop élevé par rapport à notre

3713
02:12:27,020 --> 02:12:30,020
estimation. For you 16.6 and

3714
02:12:30,020 --> 02:12:32,020
16.7, do I have a mover?

3715
02:12:32,020 --> 02:12:35,020
>> -- district five.

3716
02:12:35,020 --> 02:12:36,020
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3717
02:12:36,020 --> 02:12:37,020
district 3.

3718
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:40,020
>> All in favour? --

3719
02:12:43,020 --> 02:12:46,020
>> The persons -- present

3720
02:12:46,020 --> 02:12:47,020
Council on the subjects, here

3721
02:12:47,020 --> 02:12:50,020
under from items 17.1 -- 17

3722
02:12:50,020 --> 02:12:52,020
point, one consider a minor

3723
02:12:52,020 --> 02:12:53,020
exemption request concerning the

3724
02:12:53,020 --> 02:12:54,020
property situated at 139

3725
02:12:54,020 --> 02:12:57,020
Windmill Avenue. With a front

3726
02:12:57,020 --> 02:12:59,020
setback of -- metres rather than

3727
02:12:59,020 --> 02:13:00,080
the minimum required of 7.5

3728
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:01,080
metres.

3729
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:05,080
17.2 Considérer une demande de

3730
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:06,080
dérogation mineure concernant la

3731
02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:09,080
propriété sise au 5501,

3732
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:12,080
Autoroute Transcanadienne.

3733
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:14,080
Joaquin être six réservoirs

3734
02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:16,080
d'entreposage plutôt que dans la

3735
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:17,080
marche arrière qui, deux

3736
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:19,080
appareils mécaniques dans la

3737
02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:21,080
marche droite plutôt que de

3738
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:22,080
l'{city_council} arrière, tel

3739
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:23,080
que requis.

3740
02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:24,080
>> 17.3 Consider a conditional

3741
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:25,080
use request concerning the

3742
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:26,080
property situated at 35 Cartier

3743
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:30,080
Avenue. Which is to allow a

3744
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:32,080
class D one commercial use being

3745
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:33,080
-- on the existing commercial

3746
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:34,080
terraces.

3747
02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:35,080
17.4 Considérer les plans

3748
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:36,080
d'implantation et d'intégration

3749
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:37,080
architecturale relatifs à la

3750
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:42,080
propriété sise au 12, avenue

3751
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:43,080
Salisbury. pour Daytona ovation

3752
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:45,080
et une extension extérieure.

3753
02:13:45,080 --> 02:13:46,080
17.5 Amend Resolution

3754
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:49,080
2021-022 in order to modify the

3755
02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:50,080
6 th condition applicable to the

3756
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:51,080
conditional use permitted at 17

3757
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:56,080
Place de la Triade -- the

3758
02:13:57,080 --> 02:13:59,080
modification refers to the

3759
02:13:59,080 --> 02:14:00,040
requirement for continuous green

3760
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:01,040
while on the specifications of

3761
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:02,040
the types of plants and

3762
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:03,040
landscaping required.

3763
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:04,040
17.6 Modifier la résolution

3764
02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:07,040
2022-544 afin de modifier les

3765
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:08,040
délais autorisés pour la

3766
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:09,040
réalisation des travaux relatifs

3767
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:13,040
à l'aménagement de l'entrée

3768
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:17,040
charretière au 118, avenue

3769
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:18,040
Broadview. l'entrepreneur

3770
02:14:18,040 --> 02:14:19,040
recommande qu'une période

3771
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:20,040
suffisante de compaction des

3772
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:21,040
sols soient autorisée afin de

3773
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:23,040
procéder à l'installation finale

3774
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:26,040
de revêtement de sol. 17.7 Amend

3775
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:27,040
Resolution 2023-204 in order to

3776
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:28,040
modify the condition applicable

3777
02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:32,040
to the minor exemption permitted

3778
02:14:32,040 --> 02:14:34,040
at lot 2 528 020 of the Cadastre

3779
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:35,040
of Québec (corner Avro Avenue

3780
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:37,040
and De l'Aviation Road).

3781
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:40,040
The purpose of the amendment is

3782
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:42,040
a clarify the terms of the

3783
02:14:42,040 --> 02:14:43,040
conditional condition applicable

3784
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:45,040
to the landscape of the lot.

3785
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:54,040
- The do I have 17,1 à 17,7 ans

3786
02:14:54,040 --> 02:14:58,040
a mover?...

3787
02:14:58,040 --> 02:14:59,040
>>

3788
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:00,000
You.

3789
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,000
>> -- district 2.

3790
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:05,000
>> All in favour?

3791
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:06,000
>> All against?

3792
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:07,000
>> Mr. Mayor, I'm in favour of

3793
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:12,000
each of these items except 17.4.

3794
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:22,000
- 18.1 Autoriser la soumission

3795
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:23,000
d'une demande pour le programme

3796
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:24,000
d'aide financière du Ministère

3797
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:25,000
de l'Éducation pour la gratuité

3798
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:26,000
de la formation des

3799
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:27,000
surveillants-sauveteurs et des

3800
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:29,000
moniteurs aquatiques 2023-2026.

3801
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:33,000
Il s'agit d'autoriser la

3802
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:34,000
signature de la demande par

3803
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:35,000
monsieur le maire Tim Thomas.

3804
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:36,000
18.2 Approve a subsidy agreement

3805
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:38,000
within the framework of the

3806
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:39,000
Celebrate Canada Program to be

3807
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:40,000
entered into with His Majesty

3808
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:41,000
the King in

3809
02:15:41,000 --> 02:15:42,000
Right of Canada represented by

3810
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:43,000
the Minister of Canadian

3811
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:47,000
Heritage. Since the city cannot

3812
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:49,000
sign an agreement directly with

3813
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:51,000
the Government of Canada and in

3814
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:52,000
order to -- government of

3815
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:54,000
Québec.

3816
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:55,000
18.3 Autoriser un don de au

3817
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:56,000
Centre de services scolaire

3818
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:57,000
Marguerite-Bourgeoys et à

3819
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:58,000
l'école secondaire

3820
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:01,060
Pierre-Laporte d'équipements de

3821
02:16:01,060 --> 02:16:05,060
musculation appartenant à la

3822
02:16:05,060 --> 02:16:06,060
Ville. quatre appareils de

3823
02:16:06,060 --> 02:16:09,060
musculation du centre sportif

3824
02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:11,060
Oliver ont atteint leur fin de

3825
02:16:11,060 --> 02:16:13,060
vie utile. Il est proposé de

3826
02:16:13,060 --> 02:16:15,060
faire un don d'équipement afin

3827
02:16:15,060 --> 02:16:17,060
que les appareils puissent

3828
02:16:17,060 --> 02:16:19,060
continuer d'être utilisé dans un

3829
02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:20,060
environnement d'utilisation

3830
02:16:20,060 --> 02:16:23,060
moins fréquentes.

3831
02:16:24,060 --> 02:16:28,060
>> -- do I have a mover.

3832
02:16:28,060 --> 02:16:32,060
>> Do -- you district 4?

3833
02:16:32,060 --> 02:16:35,060
>> And a seconder?

3834
02:16:35,060 --> 02:16:37,060
>> We Eric Stork, district 7 --

3835
02:16:37,060 --> 02:16:38,060
>> And foreclosure --

3836
02:16:38,060 --> 02:16:39,060
>> --

3837
02:16:39,060 --> 02:16:40,060
>> All in favour? Excuse me,

3838
02:16:40,060 --> 02:16:44,060
it's a long night, folks. Now,

3839
02:16:44,060 --> 02:16:46,060
closure. Foreclosure moving, do

3840
02:16:46,060 --> 02:16:50,060
I have a mover?

3841
02:16:50,060 --> 02:16:51,060
>> Tara Stainforth, district 4.

3842
02:16:51,060 --> 02:16:52,060
The thanks for that.

3843
02:16:52,060 --> 02:16:55,060
>> And seconder?

3844
02:16:55,060 --> 02:16:56,060
>> Bruno Tremblay, district 6.

3845
02:16:56,060 --> 02:16:58,060
>> All in favour?

3846
02:16:58,060 --> 02:16:59,060
Thanks everyone.

3847
02:16:59,060 --> 02:17:00,020
Merci tout le monde.