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- Merci tout le monde pour votre

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présence ce soir. Mayor Thomas

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was unable to attend this

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evening so I am the Mayor. Je

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suis le maire suppléant ce soir,

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pour ce soir seulement. Je suis

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dans la chaise. Merci encore

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pour votre présence ce soir.

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- Yes I can! Bonsoir à tous et

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toutes, le mois qui s'est

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écoulée depuis la dernière eûmes

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ont été extraordinaires, à la

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fois difficile. Au cours du

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mois, des

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ont ravagé tout le pays, la côte

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atlantique à la côte Pacifique.

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Ici, au Québec, la Société de

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protection des forêts contre le

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feu luttent contre un peu plus

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de 80 incendies et les

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conséquences dans toute la

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avec des menaces pour la

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communauté, la santé publique,

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l'annulation ou le report de

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nombreuses célébrations de la

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fête nationale, de la fête du

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Canada. Pour beaucoup de nos

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concitoyens, concitoyennes,

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leurs maisons ont été menacés,

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ils ont été forcés d'évacuer

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vers des abris communautaires.

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silence maintenant pour

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réfléchir. Let us respect a

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moment of silence to reflect on

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this and our good fortune.

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situation will soon ease across

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the province and country, and

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life could return to normal and

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people and threatened

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communities can once again feel

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safe and their homes. Here in

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our city, let us be grateful

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that we were able to celebrate

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Canada Day with such fantastic

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activities for all the family.

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and her dedicated staff to thank

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for that. Hopefully, nothing

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will prevent us from taking full

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advantage of Pointe-Claire days

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beginning on August 4th. I would

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now like to take the opportunity

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to update you on several

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important issues, but first, let

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me wish our American friends a

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glorious independence day. Happy

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July 4th. Aujourd'hui, nous

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avons l'adoption de la nouvelle

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planification stratégique de

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notre ville. Ce plan servira à

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guider les décisions sur la

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programmation et l'affectation

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des ressources, les efforts

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publics pour le reste de la

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décennie. Nous avons été

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nombreux à participer à la

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création de cette nouvelle

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planification, incluant

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citoyens, employés, élus. Nous

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sommes très fiers du résultat.

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Félicitations encore à madame

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Verdon et son administration. Le

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document sera disponible dans

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une version améliorée sur le

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site Web de la ville dans les

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prochains jours. Ce qui est

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important, ce n'est pas tant le

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document lui-même, mais les

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actions qu'il aidera à

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identifier et qui nous

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permettront d'améliorer

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considérablement tout ce que

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nous entreprendrons non pour

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perpétuer la vie de nos citoyens

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et citoyennes forces aux forces

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de transformation externes.

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-- archdiocese --

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continue to work on the final

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points of the final agreement

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that will permit Council to

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release the public funds Council

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is committed to the window of

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restoration. The archdiocese

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will then approach the

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provincial government for the

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grant necessary for the balance

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of the project costs. The most

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be resolved in the manner in

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which public access to the

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middle will be insured so that

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everyone will be able to

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appreciate our history, as well

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as the magnificent view this

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site offers from and of

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Pointe-Claire. Justice mayor

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Thomas declared in his public

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announcement the -- ship last

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, assujettis au gel temporaire

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du développement détaillé dans

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notre règlement de contrôle

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intérimaire ainsi que dans celui

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de la Communauté métropolitaine

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de Montréal. L'administration a

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demandé il y a plusieurs

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semaines en haut CMM, si on

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pouvait compter sur une aide

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propriété, à le transférer dans

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le domaine public. Ce que nous

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pas dans les priorités de ces

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trimming back vegetation on the

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river banks, as has been done in

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neighbouring cities. The river

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is an important part of our

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identity, and so, since 2018,

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the City has attempted to

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respect the same bounds as our

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neighbours have between

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conserving water views and

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conserving natural habitats and

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protecting against erosion. This

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policy may have overly favoured

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the views. That is certainly the

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position the Québec Ministry of

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the Environment has communicated

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to us, and the administration is

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now reviewing both the recent

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direction from the government

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and the provisions of the 2022

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amendments to the legislation in

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order to comply with mandated

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stricter provisions to protect

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the shoreline, notwithstanding

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the practices of our neighbours

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to the east and to the west.

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d'ouverture, j'aimerais informer

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d'un projet pilote relatif à

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l'environnement que la Ville met

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en oeuvre le long du comté nord

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de l'avenue Drake. Ça, c'est la

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venue au nord de Pointe-Claire.

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savent, l'entretien des pelouses

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à un coût environnemental en

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termes d'émissions de CO2, de

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biodiversité. Nous allons

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expérimenter et en permettant à

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revenir en étant plus naturelle.

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poursuivrons à partir de là.

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remarks. And now we can start

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- 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre du

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jour.. De modification,

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remplacement du mot dépôt parle

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mon adoption. Le point 2,1, on

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va ajouter trois hommage aux

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personnes suivantes: Raymonde

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Kirouac, des Fowler, Warren

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17.1, in order to replace the

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>> So, 2.1. If you want to move

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madame Raymonde Kirouac est

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d'Athabasca à Victoriaville à

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l'âge de 1980

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à l'âge de 83 ans. Elles sont

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nées joints à la ville en 1981

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et a servi les Ville de

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Pointe-Claire pour 15 ans pour

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Pointe-Claire old-timers hockey

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club. -- helping to guarantee

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the basic rights of citizens to

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vote in a free and fair

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-- condolences. Mr. --

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Pointe-Claire old timers. And he

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just wanted me to say that, on

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behalf of himself, the executive

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of the PCOT -- David Edward

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Fuller will be missed. His love

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and dedication to the PCOT and

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his communication community was

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unparalleled. --

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a city, a wonderful place that

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we love and -- to have

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volunteers like Mr. David Edward

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Fuller, who literally devoted

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his life to every activity of an

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event and -- people seem to

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forget that -- make our services

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happen and -- our services -- on

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behalf of -- we are very, very

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sorry for the loss of David

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the lakeshore General Hospital

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at the age of 79. -- and the

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city councillor for two terms --

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administration of Malcolm Knox,

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at one time. So, our condolences

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to the family of Councillor

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Warren T. Thomas.

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>> May I say a few words? I just

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want to acknowledge all that

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Warren did for me. I was a new

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councillor back in 2014, and he

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was in Valois, and when I

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knocked on his door, embraced me

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with wide, open arms. And -- in

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my early years and continued

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along that journey with me. In

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his final days, he said, we need

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to keep fighting, you need to do

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what is good for the greater

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good of the city. Because you

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need to do that. And I -- so I

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hope to make him proud and to

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make all of you proud and I just

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want to thank him for his years

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of service to the city of

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Pointe-Claire into the community

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organizations that he served.

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Je me joins à mes collègues du

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conseil pour offrir nos plus

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sincères condoléances aux amis

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et aux familles de ces trois

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personnes qui ont servi leur

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communauté

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(inaudible)

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- Je pense avec le 3,1. 3.1

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Approuver le procès-verbal de la

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séance ordinaire du 6 juin 2023.

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- Proposé par Bruno Tremblay,

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district six.

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>> --

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Seconder?

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>> The much better now Eric

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>> All in favour? Carried. So,

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now we are in question period. I

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would just like to remind

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everybody that, for the

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questions -- any questions that

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have to do with the -- bylaw can

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come up in the pool bylaw comes

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up on the agenda, same thing

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with three 60, boy do lack,

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lakeshore, any questions or

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That item is brought up on the

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agenda as the -- minor

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exemption. I have a list of

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people that have -- questions,

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we will go through the list. And

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then, if there is anybody who

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wants to have a full question

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after that, then -- if we have

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time, and I think we probably

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will, then we can address those

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questions. So the first person

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Ms. Linda Duane?

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>> Good evening. Okay. I am not

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here on behalf of my generation,

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as I was not in April, either,

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when I first spoke. I am here

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for the future, for the youth,

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for the upcoming generations. My

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topic is life-sustaining natural

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landscapes as it pertains to

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sustaining world societal

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rights, as it pertains to the

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still standing 50 acre natural

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old forest in our area, known as

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Fairview forest. A few weeks

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ago, 200 topic educated

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scientists signed and published

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an open letter in the Devoir Le

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Devoir -- nature alone is one of

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the easiest and most powerful

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ways to talk about climate

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change. Why is this massive

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evidence from -- foresters,

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statisticians, oceanographers,

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geographers, thousands of them

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in the crippling environment of

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2023 not good enough to convince

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landowners, governments, and

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every able thinking human being

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in this room and beyond to act

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now. Just before earth day in

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April, I had my letters hand

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delivered to several Cadillac

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Fairview executives in Montréal

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and Toronto. And their executive

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bosses who are the Ontario

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teachers pension plan. In May,

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when a fence went up around

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Fairview forest, the dedicated

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group saved Fairview forest,

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asked their readers to copy

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their form letter and email it

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to three available email

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addresses on file for the owners

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of the Ontario teachers pension

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plan. Sorry -- I pounced on

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family and acquaintances to

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write their own letters, and

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gave them the three email

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addresses. Since, I have

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contacted CTV Montréal, global

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TV Montréal -- and our Ontario

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news the stock.

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>> Excuse, me Ms. Duane, I

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hesitate to interrupt, but you

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are supposed to limit your

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remarks to a brief

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preamble and a --

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>> No, ma'am. --

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>> Ma'am, please. According to

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the rules of procedure, a short

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procedure preamble, followed by

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a --

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>> A grassroots --

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>> No, ma'am. Please address --

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please address Council --

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>> -- all these people that I

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contacted, the Canadian teachers

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federation, Ottawa, came up with

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one short reply. And that is --

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and this person is the director

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of international and social

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justice of the CTE have. Texting

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me that senior representatives

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will contact the Ontario

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teacher's pension plan with my

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message. In short, tale your

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employee, Cadillac Fairview, to

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sell the development holding,

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Fairview forest, back to

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Pointe-Claire, Québec and

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Canada. Let's stop hedging. A

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25-year debt for Quebecers and

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Canadians is not a unique -- the

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word sustainability comes up in

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lots of articles. And I

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mentioned it a lot. There's no

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preindustrial eaten Eden to go

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back to -- others like me come

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to this grassroots civic chamber

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to provoke tangible adult

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actions, not just words. But to

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offer the world's youth the

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peace of mind to hope.

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Mayor Thomas, who is not here --

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so, Mayor Thomas and a few

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others in this room, who are in

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full employ of Pointe-Claire,

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whose duty is to inform now, all

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of our residents, of exactly

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where the forest is -- yeah, a

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lot of people don't know. Who

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actually owns it, what the

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forest means to the surrounding

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heat islands -- this is an urban

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forest. What sustainability

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tasks -- all scientists know

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this fourth performs daily. I

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don't mean to be mean or

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demeaning or anything, but this

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is a profound situation that we

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are in in this world and in this

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planet, on this planet. You and

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Council have a legal duty. This

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is your legacy mandate, to

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inform every -- on this island

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and beyond that this is their

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forest, and that we will uphold

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necessary sustainability with

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them unnatural tracts of land

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and water in their geographic

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zones. Here is my question. I

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guess I don't have to say I

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don't want to be commended

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because that is what the mayor

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usually says, that people like

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us comment we perform our civic

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duty. So, I don't want that

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tonight because it is what you

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need to do. My question to each

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councillor and the mayor, in

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absence -- will you, tomorrow,

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as grassroots citizens -- this

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is a grassroots assembly --

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begin the urgent task that

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critical thinking has presented?

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Does anybody want to --

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>> Ma'am --

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>> -- my question -- do any of

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you want to start --

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>> Ma'am, I will answer that

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question, and the answer is

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quite simple. We have been doing

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that. That is what --

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>> No, you have not --

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>> Ma'am, this is not a form for

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debate. I am saying that this is

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a matter that the entire city

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recognizes is of extreme

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importance. This is a matter of

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the Fairview forest, the zone --

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is a matter of the importance

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that the entire city well

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understands, that this council

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--

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>> --

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>> Ma'am -- ma'am, please. I am

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talking. This council well

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understands, and we have a

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process under way. We have

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frozen development up there as

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part of the interim control

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bylaw of the measures, and we

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are reviewing the entire

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situation. I have just reported

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that we have made efforts to

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reach out to the -- metropolitan

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des Montréal to ask -- is this

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not working? To ask them for

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their participation -- reporting

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on the results of the. So, yes,

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we take it very seriously and we

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are trying.

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>> --

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>> It is between the city

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administration and the City that

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they are counterparts at the --

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metropolitan de Montréal, the

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President of which is the mayor

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of Montréal, Mayor Plante. So,

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we are going to do that -- I

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think I have answered your -- if

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we can move on to the next

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question. Next question --

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excuse -- ma'am, ma'am --

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>> --

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>> Your question has been

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answered fully. So, I am afraid

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I will have to -- Ms.

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LeKuitss.

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>> Ladies and gentlemen of the

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Council, my name is wounded

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Wanda McKivich -- it just breaks

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my heart that people try to get

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things done and it is not being

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done. Or maybe not to the speed

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that it should be. I am here to

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talk also about the Fairview

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forest. But I wanted to just

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make a global approach.

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We are now suffering climate

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change that is -- far away. The

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Amazon has been burning for

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years. And just that has caused

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a circulation of --

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consequences. We have, here in

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Pointe-Claire, a 50,000 --

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attractive land at Fairview

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forest. And it breaks my heart

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when I saw the fence going up. I

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know that Fairview forest is

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owned by Cadillac Fairview. But

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I also wanted to say that you

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have all heard the story of

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David and Goliath. If you think

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that Cadillac Fairview is so

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high and mighty, well, you are

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able to be able to do something

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and make it happen for the

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citizens of Pointe-Claire. Now,

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I wanted to just point out what

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we have all lived through in the

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past two weeks, even Montréal

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being the worst air quality in

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the world, and New York getting

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smog caused by fires. What do

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you think absorbs fires if not

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trees? The carbon? We have got

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the -- trail coming through

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right by the forest. It will be

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absorbing a concrete heat that

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is going to be caused by

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additional high-rise of

564
00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:50,020
apartments that are going to be

565
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:53,020
built there. Do you want us to

566
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:56,020
do like the people in China? We

567
00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:58,020
have lived through the pandemic

568
00:22:58,020 --> 00:23:00,080
and worn masks. They wear masks

569
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,080
in their cities all the time

570
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080
because they can't breathe. They

571
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080
go for forest bathing, which

572
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,080
means, on the weekends, they go

573
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,080
to the forest just to breathe

574
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,080
the air. We have that air. Let's

575
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,080
keep it that way. I wanted to

576
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:26,080
also ask whether we could do

577
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,080
more in terms of getting the

578
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,080
citizens aware. A lot of the

579
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,080
citizens are young working

580
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080
families. I can tell from my son

581
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,080
and daughter in law, to people,

582
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,080
working little kids -- they have

583
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,080
no time to even watch the news,

584
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,080
they don't even know what is

585
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,080
happening. They don't even know

586
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,080
exactly where Fairview forest

587
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,080
is. They need to be aware so

588
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,080
that they could maybe help you

589
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,080
to get publicity out. One thing

590
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,080
that I recall is that there was

591
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,040
a lot of publicity that I heard

592
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,040
on TV -- beacon steel angel

593
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,040
woods. I have not heard the same

594
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,040
thing about a Fairview forest --

595
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,040
I would think that we are a --

596
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,040
make people aware. So my -- what

597
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
I wanted to also say -- I know

598
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,040
what it is like for breathing --

599
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,040
lungs. I have a girlfriend who

600
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,040
is slowly dying because her

601
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040
lungs are receding. And my

602
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,040
father in law died from lung

603
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,040
cancer. Looking at you and the

604
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,040
council, you still have many

605
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,040
years of good health. But as

606
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,040
you, age are you going to want

607
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,040
to find yourself in a situation

608
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,040
where the smog is so bad that

609
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,040
you are going to have a hard

610
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,040
time breathing? So, I am asking

611
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,040
you, is there a way that we

612
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,040
could communicate more to the

613
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,040
citizens and to have more

614
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,000
publicity? And we cannot be

615
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000
ostriches with our heads. We

616
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000
have to really remember David

617
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000
and Goliath. Thank you so much.

618
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,000
>> To answer your question, we

619
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000
are going through this process

620
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
very carefully, working to

621
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,000
organize public participation,

622
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000
to -- the public to participate

623
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000
and bring their points of view

624
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000
into this interim control bylaw

625
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000
process that we are reviewing

626
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000
the entire planning program for

627
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,000
the city, including what will

628
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
happen at the Fairview forest.

629
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,000
And -- now -- I am sure we

630
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000
could. But if there are any

631
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,000
specific suggestions of what we

632
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,000
could -- not tonight, ma'am. But

633
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,000
please send them in. Send them

634
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,000
into your councillor. And let

635
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000
them be given consideration, put

636
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000
on the positive. We let them --

637
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000
>> I was very short, so, let me

638
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,060
just give a little suggestion.

639
00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:03,060
You have the possibility -- you

640
00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:07,060
probably know your counterparts

641
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:13,060
through Dollard, Pierrefonds --

642
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:16,060
get the whole West Island -- you

643
00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:17,060
are already saying that you are

644
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:19,060
in touch with mayor Plante. The

645
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:22,060
more the merrier. And that is

646
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:24,060
kudos if you --

647
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:27,060
>> Thank you for the question.

648
00:26:27,060 --> 00:26:32,060
And next, Ms. Christine Clark.

649
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:38,060
>> Good evening. There is a lot

650
00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,060
of people that have a lot to say

651
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:42,060
this evening concerning the

652
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:46,060
property at 360 lakeshore. And I

653
00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:47,060
am wondering if perhaps I should

654
00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:50,060
defer any questions or comments

655
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:51,060
--

656
00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:54,060
>> Yes, please. It will come up

657
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:55,060
at 17.2, the item on the agenda,

658
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:58,060
that is where 360 --

659
00:26:58,060 --> 00:27:01,020
>> Thanks. Sorry for -- that

660
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:03,020
>> --

661
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:06,020
>> --

662
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:11,020
>> Ms. weaver

663
00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:18,020
Weaver?

664
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:19,020
>> Lots of paper, little

665
00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:22,020
question. -- I asked a question

666
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:24,020
about lawsuits against the City.

667
00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:25,020
And I did not really get an

668
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:27,020
answer. So, I will make it

669
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:29,020
quick. What I understand --

670
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:32,020
there are 11 lawsuits since

671
00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:34,020
January 2022, and as high as 28

672
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:38,020
million. Our legal fund is 1.5

673
00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:41,020
million. So, how can I City

674
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:42,020
prepared to deal with these

675
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:44,020
lawsuits moving forward? That

676
00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:47,020
is, maybe, not a little short

677
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:50,020
question, but a big question?

678
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:51,020
>> I am not sure how to answer

679
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:52,020
that one.

680
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:55,020
>> -- so --

681
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:57,020
>> May I repeat what I said -- I

682
00:27:57,020 --> 00:28:00,080
wrote down what I said last

683
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,080
April.

684
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,080
>> Sorry?

685
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,080
>> I think it was a little bit

686
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,080
more diplomatic, maybe --

687
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080
>> Last -- taxes -- lawsuits --

688
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,080
city has been set. I believe

689
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,080
there are 11 lawsuits in January

690
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,080
2022. Some are quite hefty, and

691
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080
our legal funds would never --

692
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,080
some lawsuits are unavoidable.

693
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,080
But, if others can be avoided

694
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,080
with mediation and consultation,

695
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,080
they should be. And I said,

696
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,080
unnecessary lawsuits was a waste

697
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,080
of taxpayer taxpayer money.

698
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Explain. And the answer that I

699
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,080
received is not word for word --

700
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,080
was lawsuits are -- the

701
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,080
government, which, probably it

702
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,080
is. And it is up to the judge to

703
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,080
decide. And I believe he -- he

704
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,080
went on to say that it is up to

705
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,080
the citizens, what they want.

706
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,080
And it's how they voted -- voted

707
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,080
for. But I don't know if they

708
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,080
voted for lawsuits. And I am not

709
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,080
convinced that a developer files

710
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,040
a lawsuit if they know that they

711
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,040
might lose. You know?

712
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,040
>> Well -- I can't comment on

713
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,040
any particular case, but, in

714
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,040
general, what happens, is that

715
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,040
somebody has agreement and they

716
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,040
take another entity to court,

717
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,040
both sides believe they can win.

718
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,040
That is why there is a court

719
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040
case. Then, what happens is --

720
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,040
what tends to happen is that

721
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,040
both parties will talk and see

722
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,040
if there is an ability to

723
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,040
resolve the differences without

724
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,040
going to court, and that is

725
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,040
usually what happens. And I

726
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,040
can't speak on behalf of any

727
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,040
cases before -- that the City is

728
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,040
involved with right now. But

729
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,040
that is generally the practice.

730
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,040
So, nobody wants to go right

731
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,040
through -- the lawsuit. Nobody

732
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,040
does. So, it creates a

733
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,040
motivation to resolve. Maybe --

734
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,040
for now. Madame -- do you have

735
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,040
anything to add to that?

736
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,040
>> I will not comment, because

737
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,040
we are talking about lawsuits. I

738
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,000
am sorry.

739
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000
>> I guess that ends that.

740
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000
>> Okay. So, I guess I will

741
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,000
never know.

742
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
>> -- not asking specifics about

743
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,000
-- lawsuit --

744
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,000
>> -- well --

745
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,000
>> Excuse me? I did ask for the

746
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000
access to information. And I am

747
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,000
not a lawyer. I don't know

748
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
anything about it. But, to me,

749
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
it seems awful big. And I guess

750
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000
they are asking for more than

751
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000
the -- they ask for higher than

752
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000
they really expect, or something

753
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
like that? -- up to 28 million,

754
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
I have read so far.

755
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000
>> --

756
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
>> In general, nobody wants to

757
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,000
go to court.

758
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
>> -- that's why we have to

759
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
negotiate -- yeah.

760
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,000
>> -- we are not --

761
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,060
>> We are not getting into a

762
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,060
discussion.

763
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:03,060
>> I guess we would have to have

764
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:05,060
a consultation on that one.

765
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:10,060
>> Thank you, Ms. Weaver. Next

766
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:23,060
question Line Conway.

767
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:25,060
>> Thank you, counsel. It's

768
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:27,060
about the -- they have no

769
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:28,060
guidance from the city during

770
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:31,060
the whole process. I will

771
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:33,060
continue my thought on that. Are

772
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:35,060
you aware of they are consulting

773
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:38,060
as well with stakeholders, or

774
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:40,060
just consulting with

775
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:41,060
Pointe-Claire citizens during

776
00:31:41,060 --> 00:31:43,060
the process?

777
00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:52,060
>> They are organizing the

778
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:56,060
participation process, so

779
00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:57,060
everybody is invited. So, the

780
00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:59,060
question is -- how are you

781
00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:00,020
distinguishing between

782
00:32:00,020 --> 00:32:02,020
stakeholders and citizens?

783
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:04,020
>> Are you also consulting with

784
00:32:04,020 --> 00:32:05,020
developers?

785
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:07,020
>> Only in the -- whoever shows

786
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:08,020
up at the public participation

787
00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:10,020
period, that is who they are

788
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:11,020
consulting with. And I don't

789
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:12,020
believe any developers have

790
00:32:12,020 --> 00:32:13,020
showed up --

791
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:14,020
>> So, the report that they will

792
00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:16,020
do, that they will present to

793
00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:19,020
Council, will only reflect the

794
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:21,020
consultations during these

795
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:22,020
meetings? Are there other

796
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:24,020
discussions on the side that we

797
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:25,020
don't know about?

798
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:27,020
>> There are no other

799
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:28,020
discussions that you don't know

800
00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:29,020
about.

801
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:33,020
>> Okay. Thank you.

802
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:35,020
>> So, I have attended the

803
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:38,020
collaborative workshop. The

804
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:42,020
concern is the meetings are very

805
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:44,020
well organized, maybe a little

806
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:46,020
bit too much. Because it says,

807
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:49,020
though they want us to give our

808
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:51,020
opinion -- but it seems, in a

809
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:54,020
way, that we have to agree or

810
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:56,020
disagree every time it is a

811
00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:57,020
specific topic that they have

812
00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:59,020
presented to us, rather than

813
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:00,080
asking us for our opinion

814
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,080
without any constraint. My --

815
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,080
decide on the topic at every

816
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,080
meeting, and in the end, maybe

817
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,080
something will get moved, as

818
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,080
well as making a category with

819
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080
the decision that was made last

820
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,080
month about the Northview Park

821
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,080
fence. It seems as though most

822
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,080
everybody -- disagree -- fence

823
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,080
in the park. However, the

824
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,080
council voted for the fence.

825
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,080
This is the worrying aspect,

826
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,080
that the end, the council will

827
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,080
make decisions without

828
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080
considering what the citizens

829
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,080
want.

830
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,080
>> Your question?

831
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,080
>> It was more of a statement. I

832
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,080
don't know if you can answer

833
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,080
something like that. Because we

834
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,080
saw the vote last month. --

835
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,080
reflect about -- like the lady

836
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080
said, the legacy.

837
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,080
>> If you ask a question, I will

838
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,080
do my best to answer it. But if

839
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,080
you don't ask a question --

840
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,080
>> Are you going to reflect on

841
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,080
what I said?

842
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,080
>> That is the purpose of

843
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,080
question period and the purpose

844
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,040
of all public consultation

845
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,040
period, is to actually listen to

846
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,040
citizens. So, yes, we are

847
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,040
listening. We did listening.

848
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,040
>> Yes, but the fence still went

849
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,040
up. Each district might have a

850
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,040
situation. But, in the end, its

851
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,040
councillors from other districts

852
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,040
that vote. And the fence went

853
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,040
up. So, this is the concern,

854
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,040
that in the -- against our

855
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,040
wishes might happen.

856
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,040
>> Again, I don't quite

857
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,040
understand what the question is.

858
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,040
I understand the statement. But

859
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,040
not the question. If you ask a

860
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,040
question, I will do my best to

861
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,040
answer it.

862
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040
>> It's a reflection and it's a

863
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,040
light up switch, open your eyes

864
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,040
to what the citizen wants,

865
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,040
please. If you are able to

866
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,040
reflect on that.

867
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,040
>> The council -- I can

868
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,040
guarantee the Council does that

869
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,040
every time they put on the head

870
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,040
of being a councillor. That is

871
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,040
why -- each one of us stood for

872
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,040
election. That's what we do. So,

873
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,040
yes, to the extent that you've

874
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040
asked a question, does Council

875
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,040
think about with the citizens

876
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,040
present? Of course. The answer

877
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,000
is yes.

878
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,000
>> You see attend reflect on

879
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
what the citizens want?

880
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
>> That is what I just said.

881
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
>> Okay. But the fence still

882
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000
went up in north of you.

883
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000
>> Yes. Thank you. And if that's

884
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
it, we will move on to the next

885
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
question.

886
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Nasr El Dabee?

887
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
>> Good evening.

888
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
>> Good evening.

889
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
>> As you see, you all --

890
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,000
elected by -- transparency. And

891
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000
working for your own citizen

892
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,000
district. And, as everybody see,

893
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,000
that the -- district -- that

894
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,000
example can -- and --

895
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:10,060
not listening to the citizen out

896
00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:12,060
of the district. So, when you're

897
00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:13,060
going to listen to the district

898
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:16,060
and the citizen, what they are

899
00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:19,060
paying taxes to do the right

900
00:36:19,060 --> 00:36:22,060
thing before you start voting on

901
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:24,060
any project? When you are going

902
00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:27,060
to do that? And witness too many

903
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:30,060
thing, the -- Cadillac Fairview.

904
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:34,060
And you went with resolution.

905
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:36,060
You want to start discuss with

906
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:39,060
public figure. So, when you are

907
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:41,060
going to listen to the citizen

908
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:45,060
before you start doing any

909
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:48,060
voting in -- or decide to do any

910
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:51,060
project? You get elected to

911
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:54,060
listen to the citizen of

912
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:58,060
Pointe-Claire, not anybody else,

913
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:01,020
not the special interests. So,

914
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:02,020
please, tell me when you are

915
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:04,020
going to do that.

916
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:08,020
>> As I explained before, we do.

917
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:10,020
Every councillor that has been

918
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:13,020
elected and -- stable, all of us

919
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:15,020
-- we listen to the citizens and

920
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:16,020
we reflect upon what the

921
00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:18,020
citizens have said. We reflect

922
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:20,020
upon our own study of whatever

923
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:22,020
matter as come before us. And

924
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:24,020
then we act on it, usually,

925
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:25,020
ultimately, with a vote. And

926
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:28,020
that happens every time. Thank

927
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:29,020
you very much.

928
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:32,020
>> No. It didn't happen. And I

929
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:33,020
witness all of that.

930
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:34,020
>> Thank you very much for your

931
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:36,020
question. I have answered --

932
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:38,020
>> I have two questions --

933
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:40,020
>> You have a follow-up? Okay.

934
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:41,020
Fine.

935
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:46,020
>> I have the solution for you.

936
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:50,020
Each -- district -- why they

937
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:53,020
don't decide to -- before you

938
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:57,020
start voting -- like -- Cadillac

939
00:37:57,020 --> 00:38:01,080
Fairview -- the City Council --

940
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,080
against what you asked for, and

941
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,080
you still went with it. The same

942
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,080
thing last months for the -- the

943
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,080
-- Eric about the district. But

944
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,080
the -- Fairview -- you went for

945
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,080
the project. I want to be sure

946
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,080
-- it's supposed to be the City

947
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,080
Council of the district's --

948
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,080
charge about and doing the --

949
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,080
>> We --

950
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,080
>> -- serve, they -- is

951
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,080
important in the city of

952
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,080
Pointe-Claire. And the

953
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,080
environment, everybody is

954
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,080
talking about it. Building

955
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,080
affordable housing for --

956
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,080
family, not able to come here

957
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,080
and listen to what you are going

958
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,080
to say. The road, the traffic --

959
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,080
there's too many people supposed

960
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,080
to work in it, and still voting

961
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,080
for -- I hope you listen to the

962
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,040
citizen of Pointe-Claire, what

963
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,040
they paying the taxes, paying

964
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,040
all your salary, and all the

965
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,040
city salary. So, we get 16 and a

966
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,040
half percent increase for the

967
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,040
taxes. -- we have to do -- the

968
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,040
environment and building

969
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,040
affordable houses for dying

970
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,040
family. I thought hope you

971
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,040
really understand what everybody

972
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,040
-- and most people talking about

973
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,040
the environment. Thank you.

974
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,040
>> Thank you. And the next

975
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,040
question Mr. Paul Atkinson.

976
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,040
>> --

977
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,040
>> --

978
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,040
>> -- me.

979
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,040
>> Hi, Brent. Thank you,

980
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,040
everybody.

981
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,040
>> Thank you for the update

982
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,040
about CMM. I understand that

983
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,040
meeting came about before the

984
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,040
expropriate law came through?

985
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,040
Correct?

986
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,040
>> Yes.

987
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,040
>> And possibly, no private

988
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,000
funding has been looked at

989
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
either, at this point? So,

990
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
there's lots of other options

991
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
possible?

992
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
>> They're --

993
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000
>> Exactly. Thank you for

994
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000
acknowledging that. I'm actually

995
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,000
here to follow up on a question

996
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
asked on April 4th by --

997
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000
-- Cayman asked you to adopt a

998
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
declaration of private emergency

999
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,000
as a Council, or to adopt the --

1000
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
platform for climate emergency.

1001
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,000
I was wondering if there had

1002
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
been any developments --

1003
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,000
Council.

1004
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,000
>> I don't believe it has come

1005
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,000
up. So, you are bringing it up.

1006
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,000
>> I am bringing it up. I am

1007
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,000
reminding you that it's out.

1008
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Their over 28 municipalities

1009
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
have signed the one from the --

1010
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
group and hundreds have --

1011
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,000
including Brassard, Beaconsfield

1012
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000
--

1013
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000
>> We will discuss it at the

1014
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,000
next caucus.

1015
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000
>> That would be super important

1016
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000
to do. Especially because we

1017
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000
just lost -- 76,000 square

1018
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
kilometers of forest --

1019
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,060
declarations adopted by Council.

1020
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:05,060
My second question is, if

1021
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:07,060
maintenance workers allowed in

1022
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:08,060
Fairview forest, with the -- in

1023
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:10,060
place, if the maintenance work

1024
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:12,060
is done by Fairview Cadillac

1025
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:13,060
Fairview, by the City of

1026
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:16,060
Montréal, by Hydro-Québec, they

1027
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:18,060
have to respect the migratory

1028
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:19,060
bird Act -- nesting season,

1029
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:22,060
which is June 15th to September

1030
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:23,060
15th.

1031
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:25,060
>> Well, right off the cuff, I

1032
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:29,060
can say they have to respect --

1033
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:32,060
madame -- in this case.

1034
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:33,060
>> I don't have exactly the

1035
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:35,060
question about Hydro-Québec. I

1036
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:37,060
have to look at it and -- maybe

1037
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:39,060
back to you tomorrow about

1038
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:42,060
Québec Hydro. Because I know

1039
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:43,060
they have some special -- you

1040
00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:45,060
know, they have some --

1041
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:50,060
-- for some projects, but for

1042
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:51,060
the city --

1043
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:52,060
>> Okay, I'm looking forward to

1044
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:54,060
hearing from you tomorrow about

1045
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:55,060
that.

1046
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:59,060
>> Tomorrow, maybe -- could be

1047
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:00,020
two days.

1048
00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:01,020
>> --

1049
00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:03,020
>> Thank you, okay. Thank you.

1050
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:08,020
>> Thank you.

1051
00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:17,020
Janet -- did I pronounce it?

1052
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:18,020
Right

1053
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:22,020
>> Hannah. -- it's more about

1054
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:25,020
the surplus of approximately $25

1055
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:27,020
million for this year's budget,

1056
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:30,020
and I'm wondering, are there any

1057
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:34,020
plans to reduce property taxes

1058
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:36,020
and how long is one of the

1059
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:38,020
questions -- we would all like

1060
00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:41,020
to reduce property taxes. But we

1061
00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:46,020
do have to -- the expenses that

1062
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:53,020
-- and also we have to -- the

1063
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:55,020
agglomeration which also gets in

1064
00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:59,020
the way -- as far as the surface

1065
00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:00,080
the -- surplus. I used to think

1066
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,080
the same thing, before I ran and

1067
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,080
-- started to dig into what the

1068
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,080
budget is all about. I used to

1069
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,080
think the surplus was -- if you

1070
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,080
budget right, you should break

1071
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,080
even. The surplus comes because

1072
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,080
an forecasted -- money

1073
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,080
forecasted, transfer duties --

1074
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,080
the sale of properties -- don't

1075
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,080
know for sure what that is. And

1076
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,080
so, we don't budgeted. But when

1077
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,080
there is a lot of excess --

1078
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,080
activity, we do well.

1079
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,080
>> Okay.

1080
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,080
>> And then the money is

1081
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,080
earmarked for -- some of the

1082
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,080
goes for that collection, and

1083
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,080
some of it goes to fund nice to

1084
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,080
have capital projects.

1085
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,080
>> At the same time, you voted,

1086
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,080
and that was done on the 9th of

1087
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,080
May. However, it was a point on

1088
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,080
the agenda for the 2nd of May,

1089
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
but it wasn't discussed then.

1090
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,080
And it was 24 and a half million

1091
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,080
that was going to be for the

1092
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,040
construction and renovation

1093
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,040
extension of public works. That

1094
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,040
seems like an awful lot of money

1095
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,040
and I don't see the benefit of

1096
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,040
it to myself, as a taxpayer, and

1097
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,040
anyone here, as taxpayers. And

1098
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,040
it's $25 million, which is a

1099
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,040
whole lot of money for

1100
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,040
renovation and for an extension,

1101
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,040
which I don't comprehend. I

1102
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,040
don't understand. And are the

1103
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,040
details of this construction and

1104
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,040
extensions on the website, on

1105
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,040
the Pointe-Claire website, and

1106
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,040
was it really necessary? Since a

1107
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,040
lot of us are suffering and are

1108
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,040
having a hard time paying our

1109
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,040
taxes, whereby an evaluation for

1110
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,040
property has gone up by over

1111
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,040
100%, just from last year. Sort

1112
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,040
of, you know, a home that was

1113
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,040
valued at 380 is all of a

1114
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,040
sudden, in less than a year, is

1115
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,040
now valued at 700,000, which is

1116
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,000
very hard to swallow. And

1117
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Councillor Kelly had given an

1118
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,000
explanation to that, which was

1119
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,000
not really clear at the time.

1120
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,000
So, we are taxpayers, we need

1121
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,000
for our money to be spent wisely

1122
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,000
and for our taxes to be kept at

1123
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,000
a reasonable rate. And it feels

1124
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000
like 25 million for the

1125
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,000
construction renovation,

1126
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,000
extension of public Works does

1127
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,000
not do any good for us. Putting

1128
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,000
up a fence and spending

1129
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,000
$115,000, considering taking it

1130
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000
down in a year, spending about

1131
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000
$100,000 is a total waste of our

1132
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,000
money. And the list goes on. You

1133
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000
are participating in golf

1134
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000
tournaments. I wonder how much

1135
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,000
that costs. There are points

1136
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
authorized participation for

1137
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
members in this golf tournament,

1138
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000
yet how much does that cost?

1139
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000
There's one in August, there is

1140
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000
one -- so I don't know how many

1141
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
there are.

1142
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000
>> May I answer? Can I break in

1143
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
an answer?

1144
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000
>> Yeah.

1145
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,060
>> The everything that Council

1146
00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:05,060
votes for is -- they do it

1147
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:06,060
because it does, in their

1148
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:08,060
judgment, good to the public.

1149
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:09,060
There is no other reason to

1150
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:10,060
spend any money. When it comes

1151
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:13,060
to the Public Works building,

1152
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:15,060
used the metaphor, it's hard to

1153
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:16,060
swallow. I can tell you a lot of

1154
00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:19,060
councillors had a tough time

1155
00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:21,060
swallowing that one. But it is a

1156
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:24,060
lot of money, it's by far the

1157
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:26,060
most amount of money we spent on

1158
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:27,060
any one thing. But you are

1159
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:30,060
saying, how do you benefit?

1160
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:34,060
Well, your streets are clean in

1161
00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:37,060
the wintertime, salt laid down

1162
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:39,060
when there's an aqueduct that

1163
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:42,060
breaks, who goes out and repairs

1164
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:45,060
it? This all of that requires

1165
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:48,060
equipment. A lot of equipment, a

1166
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:49,060
fleet of vehicles. Those

1167
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:51,060
vehicles need to be maintained.

1168
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:52,060
Right now, they're maintained in

1169
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:54,060
a squishy little dangerous space

1170
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:58,060
where the society of, whatever,

1171
00:46:58,060 --> 00:46:59,060
the Commission de norm Detroit

1172
00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:03,020
by four has said that, they've

1173
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:04,020
identified the conditions, work

1174
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:08,020
conditions, are unsafe and, you

1175
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:09,020
know, they are tolerating it

1176
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:10,020
because we don't have a choice.

1177
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:11,020
But the only

1178
00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:13,020
[Inaudible]

1179
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:15,020
This space needs to be expanded

1180
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:18,020
to allow for safe maintenance of

1181
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:19,020
these vehicles that go up and

1182
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:22,020
serve the public. That's for the

1183
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:23,020
public works building. For golf

1184
00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:24,020
tournaments, it's not like we

1185
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:26,020
can go play golf. I mean, I just

1186
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:28,020
bought a pair, a set of golf

1187
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:29,020
clubs. I never played golf

1188
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:32,020
before in my life. Why? These

1189
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:35,020
are donations to charitable

1190
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:37,020
causes. The mechanism, donation

1191
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:39,020
is the golf.

1192
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:40,020
>> But we don't need those

1193
00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:42,020
donations to be donated to those

1194
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:43,020
organizations. We need the money

1195
00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:45,020
in our pockets, we need to pay

1196
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:47,020
our electricity. Food on the

1197
00:47:47,020 --> 00:47:48,020
table. We need to close our

1198
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:49,020
kids.

1199
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:51,020
>> Yes, ma'am, let me explain.

1200
00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:52,020
Some portion of our money goes

1201
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:53,020
to support these, it's in the

1202
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:55,020
budget, some portion of our

1203
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:56,020
budget money from the budget

1204
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:58,020
goes to support these charitable

1205
00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:59,020
organizations that support the

1206
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,080
community. It goes around like

1207
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,080
that. That's the whole reason.

1208
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,080
Lakeshore Hospital, you know, is

1209
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,080
one example. So, yes, all of the

1210
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,080
money that we spent, supports

1211
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,080
the citizens. Now, you may not

1212
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,080
agree of the actual choices,

1213
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,080
that is fine. That's the

1214
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,080
reality.

1215
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,080
>> The details of the 25 million

1216
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,080
for public works, where is that?

1217
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,080
Because I've not seen that. Is

1218
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,080
it possible to make it available

1219
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,080
on the website so we see exactly

1220
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,080
what is being spent? It's a

1221
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,080
whole lot of money, it's huge.

1222
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,080
>> I will ask that question.

1223
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Madame, to what extent can we

1224
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,080
provide that information to the

1225
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,080
public about that project, the

1226
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,080
public works building?

1227
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,080
>> We only, you know, publish

1228
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,080
the -- for now, so the city

1229
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
council wants to add, you know,

1230
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,080
maybe a function, we can talk

1231
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,080
about it at the next caucus on

1232
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,080
this --

1233
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,080
>> So, I guess I answer your

1234
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,080
question, that information is

1235
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,080
not yet available or not

1236
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,080
available at the present time.

1237
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,080
This is something that Council

1238
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,040
can discuss. It's a good point,

1239
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,040
as I told you, we all had to

1240
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,040
swallow hard. It wasn't a

1241
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,040
decision that came, oh yeah, no

1242
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,040
problem, 25 million, we will

1243
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,040
spend it. It didn't go like

1244
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,040
that.

1245
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,040
>> I understand that and it

1246
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,040
makes me feel better. However,

1247
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,040
the reality of it is still our

1248
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,040
money and it's being spent in a

1249
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,040
building, and we don't have any

1250
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,040
details of it, and a lot of

1251
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,040
people have, because of COVID,

1252
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,040
and they are scrambling to pay

1253
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,040
their mortgages, scrambling to

1254
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,040
pay taxes, and another thing on

1255
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,040
the website, it showed that

1256
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,040
residential taxes have gone down

1257
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,040
by 0.2%. Yet, industrial

1258
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,040
building taxes have gone down by

1259
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:44,040
2%. A tenfold reduction for

1260
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,040
industrial buildings, as

1261
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,040
compared to residential. We

1262
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,040
don't make as much as a company

1263
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,040
does and yet there reduction, of

1264
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,040
taxes for 2023 is tenfold our

1265
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,040
reduction in taxes. We and by

1266
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,000
super hiking the value of their

1267
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,000
homes, we won't be able to full

1268
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,000
afford living in our homes very

1269
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000
long because we have no

1270
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000
guarantee that you won't take up

1271
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
taxes next year and the year

1272
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,000
after that, and the year after

1273
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,000
that, the year after that. So,

1274
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,000
paying a certain percentage of

1275
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,000
350 is not the same as paying

1276
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000
another percentage on 700, which

1277
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,000
is --

1278
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
>> There is no direct

1279
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,000
relationship between the

1280
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
increase in property valuations

1281
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,000
and the tax rate. Generally

1282
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,000
speaking, if the property values

1283
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,000
go up, the percent we charge

1284
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000
goes down. Because we need the

1285
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000
same amount of money. That

1286
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,000
doesn't change just because your

1287
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,000
property value goes up. But what

1288
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,000
happens is the rate of property

1289
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,000
value, property increase value

1290
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000
increase is not uniform. Across

1291
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
the city. If it were, nobody

1292
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
would notice a change at all.

1293
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,000
Unfortunately, what happens is

1294
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,000
you have some areas of the city

1295
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
where the property value goes up

1296
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,000
a lot faster in other areas and

1297
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,000
those people tend to pay more.

1298
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,060
>> But that does not change the

1299
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:02,060
fact that for residential

1300
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:04,060
properties, our taxes have gone

1301
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:06,060
up by 0.2, have gone down by

1302
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:09,060
0.2%. Yeah, for industrial

1303
00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:12,060
buildings, it's gone down by 2%.

1304
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:15,060
So, who stands to benefit more?

1305
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:17,060
>> I see my colleague on the

1306
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:18,060
finance committee desperately

1307
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:20,060
wanting to intervene, so, I what

1308
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:21,060
--

1309
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:22,060
>> I will tell you this. They're

1310
00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:23,060
a lot of things that you're

1311
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:24,060
seeing right now that are

1312
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:25,060
confusing and they're somewhat

1313
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:27,060
contradictory. In terms of

1314
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:28,060
mentioning, you know, and I'm

1315
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:29,060
not trying to be negative or

1316
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:30,060
anything of that nature, but

1317
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:31,060
there is a lot of explanations

1318
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:32,060
that you had, I don't think at

1319
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:34,060
this point, we will be able to

1320
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:35,060
resolve those. But as a member

1321
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:36,060
of the finance committee, if you

1322
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:37,060
want to reach out to me, I would

1323
00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:39,060
be more than happy to wrap the

1324
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:40,060
budget and explain to you how do

1325
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:42,060
evaluations work. Industrial

1326
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:43,060
versus commercial, versus

1327
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:44,060
retention, why things go up, was

1328
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:46,060
the average? How it affects some

1329
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:47,060
citizens versus other citizens.

1330
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,060
I'll be more than happy to

1331
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:50,060
explain that. -- before I got

1332
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:52,060
elected, those are my exact

1333
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:53,060
suggestions and it took a

1334
00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:54,060
considerable amount of time and

1335
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:57,060
energy to understand. It's

1336
00:51:57,060 --> 00:51:58,060
definitely not something we will

1337
00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:59,060
be able to fix tonight, but if

1338
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:00,020
you want to reach out to me, and

1339
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:01,020
if any other colleagues would

1340
00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:03,020
like to join us, I don't know

1341
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:04,020
what district you live in, but I

1342
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:06,020
would be more than happy to

1343
00:52:06,020 --> 00:52:08,020
spend an hour, two hours, two

1344
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:09,020
days explaining that to you.

1345
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:10,020
>> I think we need for all of us

1346
00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:12,020
to understand because this is a

1347
00:52:12,020 --> 00:52:13,020
lot of money and it's our money

1348
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:17,020
that is being managed. And as

1349
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:19,020
another person, another resident

1350
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:22,020
mentioned, for the fans, it went

1351
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,020
up regardless of the numerous

1352
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:26,020
people who have spoken up

1353
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:28,020
against the fence, and yet,

1354
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:29,020
still the decision was made to

1355
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:31,020
put up the fence and spend that

1356
00:52:31,020 --> 00:52:32,020
money, which is money that was

1357
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:34,020
literally wasted because nobody

1358
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:36,020
wanted it and you still went

1359
00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:38,020
ahead with it. So, what I'm

1360
00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:40,020
concerned about is the

1361
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:42,020
management of our money is very

1362
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:44,020
important for us, and we need to

1363
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:47,020
make sure that it is properly

1364
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:49,020
managed. And it has to be in a

1365
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:51,020
way that is transparent. So,

1366
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:52,020
it's great you want to explain

1367
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:53,020
it to me, but I think a lot of

1368
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:54,020
people here want to understand,

1369
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:55,020
want to have that information,

1370
00:52:55,020 --> 00:52:57,020
so it should be, I think,

1371
00:52:57,020 --> 00:52:58,020
available on the Pointe-Claire

1372
00:52:58,020 --> 00:53:01,080
website, so people realize as

1373
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,080
you --

1374
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,080
>> Ma'am, I would have to write

1375
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,080
a book to put on the website and

1376
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,080
it would take probably a couple

1377
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,080
hundred pages and every citizen

1378
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,080
that lives in my district here,

1379
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,080
everybody asks financial

1380
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,080
questions, -- they answer to the

1381
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,080
best of our ability. We're not

1382
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,080
just scratching the surface

1383
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,080
here, you're talking about a lot

1384
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,080
of lower level analysis so.,

1385
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,080
Believe me, all of us care

1386
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,080
greatly about our city finances.

1387
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,080
Is one of the most challenges

1388
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,080
challenges things we have going

1389
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,080
for us the next few years with

1390
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,080
what's going on in the economy

1391
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,080
today. So, we do take it very

1392
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,080
seriously. Once again, I will be

1393
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,080
more than happy to -- your

1394
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,080
suggestion about the monitoring

1395
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,080
the cost for the public works as

1396
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,080
well motive and discuss that in

1397
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,080
caucus to. I think that's a good

1398
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,080
idea.

1399
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,080
>> In some form up there might.

1400
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,080
Not be the detail you want, that

1401
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,080
will come --

1402
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,080
>> As long as we got some

1403
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,080
information, that will be great.

1404
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,080
Thanks for considering that. The

1405
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,080
other thing I've got as well is

1406
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,080
that the population in

1407
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,080
Pointe-Claire is increasing.

1408
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,080
That is increasing our revenue.

1409
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,040
By increasing our revenue, we

1410
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,040
are increasing the collection of

1411
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,040
taxes. Somehow, that should

1412
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,040
count for the residents and that

1413
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,040
should be taken into

1414
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,040
consideration to lower our

1415
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,040
taxes, rather than increase it.

1416
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,040
And lastly, I would like to

1417
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,040
close with the valuation of

1418
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,040
homes. The valuation of homes, I

1419
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,040
would like to understand how the

1420
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,040
valuation of homes came out to

1421
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,040
be 100%, and if that's possible.

1422
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,040
If it can also be made available

1423
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,040
on the website, so we, as

1424
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,040
citizens understand, because I'm

1425
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,040
going to contest it.

1426
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,040
>> The property valuation is

1427
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,040
done by the societally -- Ville

1428
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,040
the moral and all the

1429
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,040
information you can get on their

1430
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,040
website. It is accessible. They

1431
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,040
are the ones who, not the City,

1432
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,040
nobody here does the, has

1433
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,040
anything to do with property

1434
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,040
valuations. It's all done by the

1435
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,040
Ville de Montréal. And the way

1436
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,040
they calculate it is they look

1437
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,040
at the cost, the sale of

1438
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,000
properties in the comparable

1439
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,000
neighbourhood or comparable

1440
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,000
properties, then they just put

1441
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,000
the same rate across the that

1442
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
entire group of properties that

1443
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,000
they designate as being

1444
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,000
comparable. There is an

1445
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,000
explanation online for how they

1446
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,000
do that.

1447
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,000
>> And is it done by an

1448
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,000
independent company or is it by

1449
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,000
--

1450
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,000
>> No, it's done by the

1451
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,000
employees of the, the agents of

1452
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,000
the societally -- Villa

1453
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,000
Montréal.

1454
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,000
>> Isn't there a conflict of

1455
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000
interest there? Because they're

1456
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,000
also collecting taxes. So, if

1457
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,000
they have got property.

1458
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000
>> They are a separate entity,

1459
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,000
not, they are the society --

1460
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,000
madame -- maybe you can explain

1461
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
a little more, expertly than I?

1462
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,000
>> The valuation -- is not the

1463
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,000
City of Montréal, it's part of

1464
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000
the City of Montréal, but it's

1465
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,000
different because it's the

1466
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
agglomeration of Montréal. And

1467
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,000
they are, you know, employees up

1468
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,060
there and they are all, I don't

1469
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:07,060
know, what is it in English, but

1470
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:10,060
it's -- so they are under their

1471
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:12,060
own code of ethics.

1472
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:13,060
>> But still, they are part of

1473
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:14,060
the City of Montréal and the

1474
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:16,060
City of Montréal gets a certain

1475
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:18,060
percentage of our taxes. So,

1476
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:19,060
there would be some level of

1477
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:21,060
conflict of interest there.

1478
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:23,060
>> Ma'am, that may be, but you

1479
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:25,060
will have to take that up with

1480
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:26,060
Premier logo. That's where the

1481
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:28,060
power lies in deciding that.

1482
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:31,060
>> Now, my question is, two more

1483
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:33,060
questions. When you've made the

1484
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:35,060
decision about the 25 million,

1485
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:37,060
which was on the agenda for the

1486
00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:38,060
2nd of May, but it was taken out

1487
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:40,060
of the agenda. Not a lot of us

1488
00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:42,060
were aware of the meeting that

1489
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:44,060
took place on the 9th of May

1490
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:47,060
when that point was discussed. I

1491
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:49,060
was not made aware of it and it

1492
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:50,060
wasn't announced, I don't think,

1493
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:53,060
or maybe I didn't hear it. If it

1494
00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:54,060
were announced at that point,

1495
00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:55,060
going to be discussed on the 9th

1496
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:58,060
of May. It wasn't done in a way

1497
00:56:58,060 --> 00:57:00,020
that really, like, the

1498
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:01,020
announcements that you make at

1499
00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:03,020
the very beginning by the way,

1500
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:04,020
everyone, this point is not

1501
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:06,020
going to be discussed today. It

1502
00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:07,020
is rather going to be discussed

1503
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:09,020
on the 9th of May. I didn't

1504
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:12,020
catch that at all.

1505
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:13,020
>> I believe we did..

1506
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:15,020
>> At the beginning? Okay, okay,

1507
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:19,020
well I missed it. So, what is

1508
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:22,020
the process to first reverse the

1509
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:23,020
decision that was taken. Let's

1510
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:26,020
say, the 25 million expenditure

1511
00:57:26,020 --> 00:57:28,020
for public works. And then when

1512
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:29,020
you have points on the agenda

1513
00:57:29,020 --> 00:57:31,020
that we don't agree to, what is

1514
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:34,020
the process for us to object to

1515
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:35,020
them?

1516
00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:37,020
>> Go Collier Councillor. If

1517
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:38,020
there is no process in the

1518
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:40,020
meeting if you are doing that.

1519
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:42,020
As far as reversing a decision

1520
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:44,020
that was made, it can always

1521
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:45,020
reverse itself, but any decision

1522
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:47,020
sets in motion a series of

1523
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:49,020
things, like contracts. And lots

1524
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:51,020
of once a contract is signed,

1525
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:52,020
you can't reverse it. Who are

1526
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:54,020
bound to your contract. So, and

1527
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:56,020
then as far as pulling things

1528
00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:59,020
off of agenda or, you have to

1529
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:01,080
call your Councillor and try to

1530
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,080
influence your Councillor. On

1531
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,080
anything you want.

1532
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,080
>> So, basically, we don't have

1533
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,080
the right to interfere or

1534
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,080
interject, or object to any

1535
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,080
items that are on the agenda if

1536
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,080
we don't agree with them?

1537
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,080
>> That is correct.

1538
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,080
>> And is there any way, other

1539
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,080
than meeting with the

1540
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,080
councillor, to change that? Is

1541
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
there a law, how is it set up

1542
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,080
that way?

1543
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,080
>> No, the way municipal

1544
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,080
government is organized is

1545
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,080
created by the provincial

1546
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,080
legislation, which sets the

1547
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,080
rules of how government works.

1548
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,080
And the responsibility that you

1549
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,080
are referring to our delegated

1550
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,080
to councillors that you elect.

1551
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,080
So that if you are unhappy with

1552
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,080
the performance of your council

1553
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,080
or Councillor, well, you know

1554
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,080
what you can do. You can run or

1555
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,080
you can encourage other people

1556
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,080
to run, or you can vote for

1557
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,080
whoever is running against the

1558
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,080
councillor in the future. That's

1559
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,080
democracy.

1560
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,040
>> Thank you.

1561
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,040
>> Kathy Polina?

1562
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,040
John Kirkpatrick?

1563
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,040
>> That's a little short. I'm

1564
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,040
here about the tree cutting. I

1565
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,040
was here last month, I brought

1566
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,040
up about the tree and the City

1567
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,040
responded back regarding my

1568
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,040
questions. I was reading through

1569
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,040
the email and it brought up a

1570
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,040
few other questions that I have.

1571
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,040
As stated in the email that the

1572
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,040
person sat down with the

1573
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,040
professionals, I would like to

1574
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,040
know who the professionals are,

1575
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,040
what are their qualifications.

1576
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,040
Because if it's a city

1577
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,000
inspector, what's that

1578
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000
qualification that they have for

1579
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:09,000
looking at trees? Also, if they

1580
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,000
talked about it, did anyone come

1581
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,000
and actually look at it? The

1582
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,000
first inspector to stopped on

1583
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,000
the road, took a photo, and said

1584
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,000
the tree was safe and in the

1585
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,000
back, it was all cracked up. So,

1586
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,000
I'm sort of wondering, nobody

1587
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,000
can again, because I have a

1588
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,000
camera on my house, so I see the

1589
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,000
tree, and the people coming up

1590
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,000
the driveway, and nobody is

1591
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,000
looking at the tree. So, my

1592
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,000
question is, are people really

1593
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,000
looking at the tree? Or did

1594
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,000
anyone physically look at that

1595
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,000
tree? Or are they just taking

1596
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,000
pictures?

1597
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
>> I can't answer that question

1598
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,000
and I doubt the administration,

1599
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,000
Madam Verdun came because she

1600
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
would not have been prepared.

1601
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,000
>> I expect I will get another

1602
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:03,060
email. Coming back with it.

1603
01:01:05,060 --> 01:01:09,060
Okay, that was the first one.

1604
01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:14,060
Second one. I submitted a report

1605
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:21,060
from a tree specialist, which

1606
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:22,060
Pointe-Claire gave me six

1607
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:25,060
options. All six options were

1608
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:26,060
companies that would do

1609
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:28,060
everything to save trees. The

1610
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:31,060
report basically said, the tree

1611
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:35,060
had major cracks in it and was

1612
01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:37,060
not, in a sense, safe. They

1613
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:40,060
suggested that the tree should

1614
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:43,060
be tabled to try to preserve the

1615
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:45,060
tree. I'm not thrilled with it

1616
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:47,060
because that is going to cost me

1617
01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:50,060
a tremendous amount of money.

1618
01:01:50,060 --> 01:01:54,060
So, I'm so looking to have the

1619
01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:59,060
tree cut. Just give me a minute.

1620
01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:08,020
Okay, so, it sort of got me

1621
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:13,020
questioning in Pointe-Claire, of

1622
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:16,020
all trees that are being cut,

1623
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:19,020
excluding the ash, how many

1624
01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:22,020
trees are being cut on property

1625
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:25,020
of the city? How many trees on

1626
01:02:25,020 --> 01:02:27,020
the property of the cities are

1627
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:30,020
being refused? How many trees

1628
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:33,020
are being deemed they should be

1629
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:34,020
cabled? I would also like to

1630
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:37,020
know on the private side for the

1631
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:38,020
past three years. Because I'm

1632
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:40,020
sort of looking at it going, am

1633
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:44,020
I being subjected because I'm

1634
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:47,020
questioning the City? Since I

1635
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:49,020
want that one extra step that

1636
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:51,020
the City is now coming for me to

1637
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:53,020
spend money when a tree should

1638
01:02:53,020 --> 01:02:58,020
be cut. Because it's dangerous.

1639
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,080
Under Point clear section nine

1640
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,080
point 6.1, preservation, it

1641
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,080
indicates, it is prohibited to

1642
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,080
fall a tree other than the

1643
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,080
following reasons. Section four,

1644
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:17,080
the tree is a danger to people

1645
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,080
because of the risk of falling

1646
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,080
branches and pruning or dawning

1647
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,080
would not make the tree safe.

1648
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:29,080
Now, I sat there, what's a

1649
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,080
going? It's basically putting

1650
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,080
three sticks around the tree,

1651
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,080
attaching a wire, or thin rope,

1652
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,080
through the steak, and moving it

1653
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,080
around the tree, and tying it to

1654
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,080
the trunk. And then in a year,

1655
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:51,080
cut it. My tree, the base is

1656
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,080
about 24 inches. The branch is

1657
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,080
18 inches. You think a little

1658
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,080
wire is going to hold my branch?

1659
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,080
>> Excuse me, Mr. Kirkpatrick,

1660
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,040
can you address Council?

1661
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,040
>> Sorry, do you think the wire

1662
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,040
is going to hold it? So, in

1663
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,040
reading the bylaw, there is

1664
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,040
nothing saying about cabling.

1665
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,040
>> Mr. kill Patrick, I

1666
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,040
sympathize with the case. We've

1667
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,040
spoken to you because you are my

1668
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,040
constituent, but this isn't the

1669
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,040
place to argue your case. You

1670
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,040
can ask a particular question

1671
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:28,040
and I can help you later to

1672
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,040
prepare perhaps a convincing

1673
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,040
case to convince my colleagues,

1674
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,040
but this is not the place for

1675
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,040
that.

1676
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,040
>> Okay, so then the question

1677
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,040
that I would like, it's about

1678
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,040
the professionalism. Where the

1679
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,040
people? Because I think that is

1680
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,040
critical. Critical to what I'm

1681
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,040
doing. And the other part is

1682
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,040
about the tree cutting. Because

1683
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,040
it is important. Is it just a

1684
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,040
little section or are there

1685
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,040
other trees?

1686
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,040
>> The aim of the policy is to

1687
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,000
find the balance between, we

1688
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
want to preserve trees, but they

1689
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,000
also have to be safe.

1690
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,000
>> Correct.

1691
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,000
>> So, this is the objective of

1692
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,000
the policy, this is what the

1693
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,000
citizens of Pointe-Claire

1694
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,000
require. How that gets

1695
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000
interpreted and any one

1696
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,000
particular case is another

1697
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,000
situation. In your case that we

1698
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:22,000
have discussed, the way I see it

1699
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
is the issue boils down to, is

1700
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,000
it appropriate for the city to

1701
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,000
require a private citizen to

1702
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,000
invest money to take

1703
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,000
extraordinary measures to Roger

1704
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
render a tree safe when you can

1705
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,000
just cut it down? That's a

1706
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,000
legitimate question. But we will

1707
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,000
not answer that here tonight.

1708
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,000
>> That's fine. Just to give you

1709
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,000
an idea, I went back to the

1710
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,000
company that asked for the

1711
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,000
cabling, they don't do cabling.

1712
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,000
So, they gave me other

1713
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,000
companies. Two companies refuse

1714
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,000
to cable my tree.

1715
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,000
>> I will enjoy working with you

1716
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,000
later to organize.

1717
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,000
>> I'm doing what I can to try

1718
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:03,060
and find a solution. But the

1719
01:06:04,060 --> 01:06:05,060
companies that I'm being given

1720
01:06:05,060 --> 01:06:07,060
don't want to come and do one

1721
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:10,060
tree. So, it's just, you have to

1722
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:12,060
understand that this is going to

1723
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:16,060
be an issue and my biggest

1724
01:06:16,060 --> 01:06:17,060
concern is my tree still hanging

1725
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:22,060
with a broken limb. And I'm

1726
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:23,060
responsible for it.

1727
01:06:23,060 --> 01:06:25,060
>> We hear that and we should

1728
01:06:25,060 --> 01:06:27,060
talk later, and I will help you

1729
01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:29,060
organize your case because I

1730
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:30,060
understand it and I sympathize

1731
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:32,060
with it. But again, tonight is

1732
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:33,060
not tonight for that. But later,

1733
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:36,060
we will do that. Give me a call.

1734
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:37,060
You have my number.

1735
01:06:37,060 --> 01:06:41,060
>> I do.

1736
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:44,060
>> If there anybody else? That's

1737
01:06:44,060 --> 01:06:45,060
the limit of my list.

1738
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:47,060
>> There is one more name that

1739
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:48,060
was added while you are calling

1740
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:49,060
out names.

1741
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:50,060
>> A surprise.

1742
01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:52,060
>> Madam Sue stucco.

1743
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:55,060
>> Good evening, thank you for

1744
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:58,060
letting on non residents speak

1745
01:06:58,060 --> 01:07:00,020
at your meetings. Just a little

1746
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:05,020
recap on some history. -- 2017,

1747
01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:08,020
800 homes affected by floods in

1748
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:12,020
Pierrefonds. 2019, 1700 people

1749
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:14,020
forced to flee their homes due

1750
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:16,020
to flooding's across Québec.

1751
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:18,020
2018, a heat wave in Montréal

1752
01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:20,020
where over 90 people died, and

1753
01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:22,020
here we are in 2023 with the

1754
01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:25,020
forest fires that have, my

1755
01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:26,020
numbers are sketchy, but it

1756
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:28,020
looks like almost 3000 people

1757
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:30,020
evacuated from their homes. You

1758
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:33,020
know, we have climate crisis at

1759
01:07:33,020 --> 01:07:35,020
our doorstep. It is not going

1760
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:38,020
away and we have some really

1761
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:39,020
complicated things we have to do

1762
01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:40,020
for that, but we also have some

1763
01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:43,020
really simple things. And

1764
01:07:43,020 --> 01:07:45,020
protecting forests is one of the

1765
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:47,020
simplest things we can do to

1766
01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:50,020
help mitigate some of the

1767
01:07:50,020 --> 01:07:52,020
climate change. So, I urge you,

1768
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:54,020
it's not a question, but I urge

1769
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:58,020
you to consider that. Every week

1770
01:07:58,020 --> 01:08:01,080
or every month, things are

1771
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,080
changing. So, decisions we were

1772
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,080
making even two years ago don't

1773
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,080
even apply right now to climate

1774
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,080
change. So, new current

1775
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,080
thinking, new current ideas,

1776
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,080
and, you know, the future isn't

1777
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,080
all of our hands, but we really

1778
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,080
are meeting our elected

1779
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,080
officials to be making some

1780
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,080
strong, strong moves to help us

1781
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,080
feel safer. Thank you.

1782
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,080
>> Thank you. Last call, anyone

1783
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,080
else? Okay, we shall proceed

1784
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,080
then, madame Gutierrez.

1785
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:34,080
Remainder of the agenda.

1786
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,080
- 5.1 Consultation publique

1787
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,080
concernant un projet de

1788
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,080
Règlement modifiant le Règlement

1789
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:40,080
de zonage numéro PC-2775 de la

1790
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,080
Ville de Pointe-Claire afin

1791
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,080
d'assurer une concordance aux

1792
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,080
dispositions du règlement

1793
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,080
provincial sur la sécurité des

1794
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,080
piscines résidentielles.

1795
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,080
une modification du règlement de

1796
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,080
zonage est nécessaire afin de

1797
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,080
mettre à jour les

1798
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,080
(inaudible)

1799
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,080
associés aux piscines. Ajouter

1800
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,080
des définitions concernant les

1801
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,080
jardins de pluie. Modifié et

1802
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,080
adapté la section 5,10 de façon

1803
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,040
à mettre en oeuvre les

1804
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,040
dispositions du règlement

1805
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,040
(inaudible)

1806
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,040
. Nous sommes à l'étape de la

1807
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,040
consultation publique. Par la

1808
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,040
loi, la ville doit tenir une

1809
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,040
consultation publique avant

1810
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,040
l'adoption du deuxième projet de

1811
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,040
règlement prévu à l'item

1812
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,040
suivant, soit l'item 5,2. Les

1813
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,040
personnes présentes peuvent

1814
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,040
s'adresser au Conseil sur ce

1815
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,040
sujet.

1816
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,040
>> Can you say that in English?

1817
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,040
>> Sure. A public council to

1818
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,040
regarding a draft bylaw amending

1819
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,040
zoning bylaw number PC 27 75 of

1820
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,040
the city of Pointe-Claire to

1821
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,040
ensure concordance with the

1822
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,040
provisions of the provincial

1823
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,040
bylaw on residential pool

1824
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,040
safety. An amendment to zoning

1825
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,040
bylaw is required to update

1826
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,040
certain definitions, primarily

1827
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,040
associated with swimming pools.

1828
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,040
I had definitions concerning

1829
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,040
water gardens and rain gardens.

1830
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,040
Modify and adapt section 5.10,

1831
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,040
in order to implement the

1832
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,040
provisions of the provincial

1833
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,040
bylaw on residential swimming

1834
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,040
pools. We are now at the public

1835
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,040
consultation stage. Bylaw, the

1836
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,040
city must hold a public

1837
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,040
consultation before adopting the

1838
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,040
second draft bylaw, which is on

1839
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,040
this next item, 5.2, and those

1840
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,000
present may address Council. On

1841
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,000
this item.

1842
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,000
>> May I address?

1843
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,000
>> Your name please, sir?

1844
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,000
>> Michael gave me, I'm a

1845
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,000
resident of Pointe-Claire for

1846
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,000
six years now. We are looking to

1847
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,000
redo the fence or replace part

1848
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000
of the fence around our pool.

1849
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,000
So, happy to respect the bylaws.

1850
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,000
We have looked into the bylaws,

1851
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,000
so, just for everyone's

1852
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,000
contacts, I believe that in

1853
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
Québec, in general, it is four

1854
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
feet around a pool.

1855
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,000
Pointe-Claire chose to make it

1856
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,000
five feet, to make it extra

1857
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
safe, which again, we are happy

1858
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,000
to do. However, I don't think

1859
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,000
that everything was considered

1860
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,000
when it comes to a glass fence

1861
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,000
around a pool. Most fences, you

1862
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,000
can reach through, you can kind

1863
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,000
of adjust it by reaching through

1864
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,000
the fence. When it comes to a

1865
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,000
glass fence, you have to reach

1866
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
over. So, the installer came to

1867
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,000
look at the glass fence and let

1868
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,000
us know that this is actually

1869
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,000
something that is a problem in

1870
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,000
many municipalities there

1871
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,060
reversing. I believe the City of

1872
01:11:00,060 --> 01:11:02,060
Saint Lambert just did. When it

1873
01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:05,060
comes to a five foot fence, my

1874
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:06,060
wife should be able to open up

1875
01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:08,060
the pool door and potentially

1876
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:10,060
save my children if they are

1877
01:11:10,060 --> 01:11:13,060
drowning. It's a big concern for

1878
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:15,060
me. I live on the water, so the

1879
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:16,060
nature of somebody falling in

1880
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:18,060
the water is present. Whether I

1881
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:19,060
have a fence around my pool or

1882
01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:24,060
not. So, my question is, as you

1883
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:27,060
are looking at this bylaw, I

1884
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:29,060
would suggest that you consider

1885
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:32,060
glass fences and how those, how

1886
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:34,060
those work and, you know, having

1887
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:36,060
a latch above five feet requires

1888
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:37,060
somebody to be at least five

1889
01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:40,060
foot eight to reach over and to

1890
01:11:40,060 --> 01:11:41,060
open it.

1891
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:42,060
>> That thank you, it's a good

1892
01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:43,060
question. We will have to

1893
01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:45,060
address that, for sure. But if

1894
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:47,060
we are going to have, if the

1895
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:48,060
final version goes the way it is

1896
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:50,060
written, then we have to make

1897
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:52,060
sure that the fans can be open

1898
01:11:52,060 --> 01:11:54,060
from both sides. Now, that said,

1899
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:55,060
I have seen high fences,

1900
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:57,060
wouldn't ones, mind you,

1901
01:11:57,060 --> 01:11:58,060
somebody put a pulley on a

1902
01:11:58,060 --> 01:11:59,060
string over, so you could open

1903
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:01,020
it from the outside. So, that

1904
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:03,020
may be a solution. But I don't

1905
01:12:03,020 --> 01:12:04,020
know.

1906
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:06,020
>> No, I'm not looking for the

1907
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:08,020
approval right now.

1908
01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:09,020
>> Your what you're pointing out

1909
01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:11,020
is that the City, to be safe,

1910
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:12,020
truly safe, you have to be able

1911
01:12:12,020 --> 01:12:13,020
to open the fence from both

1912
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:14,020
sides. If we are making a rule

1913
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:16,020
that you cannot do that, then we

1914
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:17,020
should --

1915
01:12:17,020 --> 01:12:18,020
>> It is a concern.

1916
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:19,020
>> We should look at it.

1917
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:20,020
>> It's definitely concerning

1918
01:12:20,020 --> 01:12:21,020
and, I mean, I will say that

1919
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:23,020
right now, we are in the process

1920
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:24,020
of replacing, it so our pool is

1921
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:25,020
exposed right now and we are

1922
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:29,020
waiting on a decision to decide

1923
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:30,020
whether five feet or four feet.

1924
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:31,020
So, --

1925
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:32,020
>> The final version will be

1926
01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:34,020
next month. That's why we do all

1927
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:35,020
of this consultation.

1928
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:38,020
>> Okay, thank you.

1929
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:40,020
>> I would like to ask the

1930
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:43,020
question whether it is around

1931
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:46,020
the pool or is it if we block

1932
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:47,020
access from the house to get to

1933
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:50,020
the pool?

1934
01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:53,020
>> Around the pool.

1935
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:56,020
>> So, it's not good enough if

1936
01:12:56,020 --> 01:12:57,020
there's parameter? Because we

1937
01:12:57,020 --> 01:13:01,080
have, like, an unusual setting.

1938
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,080
>> I suggest you make a sketch

1939
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,080
and send it into the planning

1940
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,080
department.

1941
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,080
>> To the planning department?

1942
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,080
>> Yeah.

1943
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,080
>> Okay, great, thank you.

1944
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,080
>> Anybody else? Madam

1945
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,080
Gutierrez? 5.2 Adoption with

1946
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,080
modification of a second draft

1947
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,080
Bylaw amending Zoning By-law

1948
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,080
PC-2775 of the City of

1949
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,080
Pointe-Claire to ensure

1950
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,080
concordance with the provisions

1951
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,080
of the provincial by-law on

1952
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:27,080
residential pool safety.

1953
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,080
>> This modification concerns

1954
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,080
the English version of the

1955
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,080
appendix, in order to render it

1956
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,080
conforming and bilingual. This

1957
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:35,080
modification does not change the

1958
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,080
object of the bylaw.

1959
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,080
- 5.3 Adoption d'un Règlement

1960
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,080
modifiant le règlement PC-2918

1961
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,080
relatif à la lutte contre la

1962
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,080
propagation de l'agrile du frêne

1963
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,080
sur le territoire de la Ville de

1964
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:47,080
Pointe-Claire.

1965
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,080
les modifications visent à

1966
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,080
corriger des erreurs et à

1967
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:52,080
apporter des clarifications afin

1968
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,080
d'éviter toute ambiguïté dans

1969
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,080
l'interprétation du règlement,

1970
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,080
entre autres dans les délais

1971
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:58,080
applicables par l'émission d'un

1972
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,080
avis par la Ville, suite à

1973
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,040
l'autorisation de l'abattage

1974
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,040
reçu par les citoyens. Une

1975
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,040
amende en cas de

1976
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,040
(inaudible)

1977
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,040
a été ajoutée.

1978
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,040
>> Do I have a mover

1979
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:12,040
For 5.2 and 5.3?

1980
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,040
>> Claude cuisine of, district

1981
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:15,040
one.

1982
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,040
>> A seconder?

1983
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:17,040
>> Paul Bissonnette, district

1984
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,040
to.

1985
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,040
>> All in favour? Carried. 6.1

1986
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,040
Authorize the participation of 4

1987
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,040
members of Council and the Mayor

1988
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,040
at the 30th Golf Tournament

1989
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,040
organized by NOVA West Island to

1990
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,040
be held on August 14, 2023, at

1991
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:35,040
the Beaconsfield Golf Club. Nova

1992
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,040
West Island is a nonprofit

1993
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,040
organization whose mission is to

1994
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:39,040
respond to community needs

1995
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,040
through the development and

1996
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,040
delivery of high quality,

1997
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,040
innovative health care services.

1998
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,040
The city representatives will be

1999
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,040
councillor Stork, Tremblay,

2000
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,040
Cowan, and casino, as well as

2001
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:52,040
the Mayor for dinner.

2002
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,040
- 6.2 Autoriser la participation

2003
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,040
de 4 membres du conseil et le

2004
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,040
maire au 13e édition du tournoi

2005
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,040
de golf annuel de collecte de

2006
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,040
fonds organisé par la résidence

2007
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,040
de soins palliatifs Teresa

2008
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,040
Dellar devant se tenir le 28

2009
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,000
août 2023 au Club de golf Royal

2010
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,000
Montréal.

2011
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,000
les représentants de la ville

2012
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,000
seront les conseillers Starke,

2013
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,000
Tremblay, Thorstad-Cullen et

2014
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,000
Monsieur le Maire.

2015
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,000
6.3 Authorize the participation

2016
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,000
of the Mayor and his companion

2017
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
at the Lakeshore Ball organized

2018
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,000
by the Lakeshore General

2019
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,000
Hospital Foundation to be held

2020
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,000
on October 14, 2023. they liked

2021
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,000
for ball is a fundraising event

2022
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000
in order to help provide health

2023
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,000
care, improve the departments,

2024
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,000
and make technological and

2025
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:36,000
improvement equipment upgrades.

2026
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,000
Quelqu'un pour proposer?

2027
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,000
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

2028
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,000
district three. Pour seconder la

2029
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,000
proposition?

2030
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,000
>> Seconder?

2031
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,000
>> Cynthia

2032
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,000
Homan, district five.

2033
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,000
>> All in favour? Carried.

2034
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,000
- 7.1 Déposer et approuver le

2035
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,000
procès-verbal de la réunion du

2036
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,000
comité de circulation du 13 juin

2037
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,000
2023.

2038
01:16:11,060 --> 01:16:16,060
And approved?

2039
01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:22,060
We have a mover for 7.1?

2040
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:24,060
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

2041
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:25,060
district three.

2042
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:26,060
>> Seconder?

2043
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:27,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

2044
01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:29,060
>> All in favour? Carried.

2045
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:30,060
>> Thank you. 8.1 File the

2046
01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:32,060
Sustainable Development Action

2047
01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:36,060
Plan 2016-2020 report. This

2048
01:16:36,060 --> 01:16:38,060
report will be published on our

2049
01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:40,060
available in the coming days on

2050
01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:44,060
our website.

2051
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:45,060
- 10.1 Déposer la liste des

2052
01:16:45,060 --> 01:16:46,060
amendements budgétaires et le

2053
01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:47,060
registre des chèques pour la

2054
01:16:47,060 --> 01:16:48,060
période du 25 mai 2023 au 21

2055
01:16:48,060 --> 01:16:50,060
juin 2023.

2056
01:16:53,060 --> 01:16:54,060
10.2 Exercise the renewal option

2057
01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:56,060
provided for in the

2058
01:16:56,060 --> 01:16:57,060
- Contract entered into with

2059
01:16:57,060 --> 01:16:58,060
The National Bank of Canada, for

2060
01:16:58,060 --> 01:17:01,020
the period of June 30, 2023 to

2061
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:03,020
December 31, 2025, for the

2062
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:08,020
supply of banking services. The

2063
01:17:09,020 --> 01:17:10,020
city does not incur any costs

2064
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:15,020
with this option.

2065
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:17,020
12.2 Approve the list of

2066
01:17:17,020 --> 01:17:18,020
- 12.1 Déposer la liste des

2067
01:17:18,020 --> 01:17:19,020
changements au personnel par

2068
01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:20,020
décisions déléguées pour le mois

2069
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:21,020
de juillet non-delegated staff

2070
01:17:21,020 --> 01:17:22,020
changes 2023. as of July 4,

2071
01:17:22,020 --> 01:17:23,020
2023.

2072
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:24,020
- 12.3 Adopt the 2023-2030 12.3

2073
01:17:24,020 --> 01:17:25,020
Adopter le Plan stratégique

2074
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:26,020
2023-2030 de la Ville de

2075
01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:27,020
Pointe-Claire pour fins de

2076
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:29,020
publication.

2077
01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:32,020
>> Do I have a mover for items

2078
01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:35,020
10.2, 12.2, and 12.3?

2079
01:17:35,020 --> 01:17:37,020
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

2080
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:39,020
>> And seconder?

2081
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:41,020
>> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,

2082
01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:42,020
district six.

2083
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:46,020
>> All in favour? Carried.

2084
01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:48,020
>> 14.1, confirmed the adhesion

2085
01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:50,020
of the city of Pointe-Claire to

2086
01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:52,020
the Frontenac -- governmental

2087
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:55,020
group purchased for cellular

2088
01:17:55,020 --> 01:17:56,020
mobility goods and services. The

2089
01:17:56,020 --> 01:17:57,020
City has received a proposal

2090
01:17:57,020 --> 01:17:58,020
from the Frontenac -- gov

2091
01:17:58,020 --> 01:17:59,020
governmental to form a

2092
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:00,080
purchasing group for the

2093
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,080
purchase of cellular mobility

2094
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,080
goods and services. This

2095
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,080
contract is required for

2096
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,080
employees who are eligible to

2097
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,080
have a cellular phone. The city

2098
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,080
wishes to subscribe to this

2099
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,080
group purchase for the period of

2100
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,080
October 21st, 2023, to October

2101
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,080
20th, 2028, in order to benefit

2102
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,080
from an advantageous price. This

2103
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,080
contract represents an annual

2104
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:21,080
expenditure of -- dollars.

2105
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,080
- 14.2 Octroyer un contrat pour

2106
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,080
le traitement des frênes par

2107
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,080
injection sur les domaines

2108
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,080
public et privé pour l'année

2109
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,080
2023, à BIO-CONTRÔLE ACÉRICOLE

2110
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,080
INC.

2111
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,080
le contrôle de traitement des

2112
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,080
freins par injection pour

2113
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,080
(---)

2114
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,080
47628 dollars et 16 sous. Pour

2115
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,080
le volet du traitement des

2116
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,080
(---)

2117
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,080
du domaine privé, le taux est de

2118
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,080
4 dollars et 24 sous par

2119
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,080
centimètre, et ce, sans taxe. La

2120
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,080
Ville s'engagera à aucun montant

2121
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,080
pour le volet.

2122
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,080
>> Do I have a mover? Sorry.

2123
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:53,080
15.1 Exercise the renewal option

2124
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:54,080
provided for in the contract

2125
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:59,080
entered into with prevention in

2126
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,040
Cindy safety first Inc., for the

2127
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,040
period of July 2023 to July

2128
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,040
2024, in the amount of $ 140,

2129
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,040
000, taxes included for the

2130
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,040
maintenance, the repair and the

2131
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:08,040
inspection of sprinkler systems,

2132
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,040
annunciator panels and

2133
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,040
mechanical fire protection

2134
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,040
components for the City of

2135
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:15,040
Pointe-Claire. This is the third

2136
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,040
and last renewal option. The

2137
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,040
renewal of this contract will

2138
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,040
ensure that all the equipment is

2139
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,040
functional, secure, and

2140
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:24,040
conforming to the building code.

2141
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:25,040
- 15.2 Se prévaloir de l'option

2142
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,040
de renouvellement prévue au

2143
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,040
contrat intervenu avec

2144
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,040
CORPORATION KRYPTON SCIEN-TEK

2145
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,040
INC., pour la période du 1 août

2146
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,040
2023 au 31 juillet 2024, pour un

2147
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,040
montant de 45856,63$, taxes

2148
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,040
incluses, pour le contrôle

2149
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,040
hebdomadaire de la qualité de

2150
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,040
l'eau pour les piscines du

2151
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,040
Centre Aquatique et du Centre

2152
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,040
Sportif de la Ville de

2153
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:41,040
Pointe-Claire.

2154
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,040
il s'agit de la première année

2155
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,040
d'option sur deux années

2156
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,040
d'option, le renouvellement de

2157
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,040
ce contrat servira

2158
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,040
l'optimisation de la filtration

2159
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,040
et au contrôle de la qualité de

2160
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,040
l'eau des piscines. 15.3

2161
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,040
Exercise the renewal option

2162
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:54,040
provided for in the contract

2163
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,040
entered into with

2164
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,040
ENTRETIEN AVANGARDISTE INC., For

2165
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,040
the period of August 1, 2023 to

2166
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:02,000
July 31, 2024, in the amount of

2167
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,000
$ 181,563.55, taxes included for

2168
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,000
janitorial services at the

2169
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,000
Olive-Urquhart Sports Center

2170
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,000
this is the

2171
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,000
- First of two optional metres.

2172
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,000
15.4 Approuver une modification

2173
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,000
au contrat intervenu avec PRISME

2174
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,000
ARCHITECTURE, pour des services

2175
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,000
professionnels pour le

2176
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,000
réaménagement et

2177
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,000
l'agrandissement du bâtiment des

2178
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,000
travaux publics, pour un montant

2179
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:25,000
de 26280,99$, taxes incluses.

2180
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,000
le montant représente des

2181
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,000
services professionnels pour la

2182
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,000
reprise des

2183
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,000
(---)

2184
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,000
selon les nouvelles

2185
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,000
recommandations géotechnique, le

2186
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,000
rehaussement sismique du

2187
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,000
bâtiment existant. 15.5 Approve

2188
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,000
a change order to the contract

2189
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,000
entered into with MDA

2190
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,000
ARCHITECTES,

2191
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,000
For professional services for

2192
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,000
the construction of a new police

2193
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,000
station PDQ5, for an amount of $

2194
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:49,000
31,490.22, taxes included. This

2195
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,000
request for additional fees

2196
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,000
follows the extension of the

2197
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,000
construction site beyond the

2198
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,000
scheduled completion date. Due

2199
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,000
to very second issuance,

2200
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,060
including -- procurement delays

2201
01:21:00,060 --> 01:21:01,060
for certain construction

2202
01:21:01,060 --> 01:21:03,060
materials and equipment, the

2203
01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:04,060
project took approximately four

2204
01:21:04,060 --> 01:21:05,060
months longer than originally

2205
01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:07,060
anticipated and the contract

2206
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:08,060
documents for professional

2207
01:21:08,060 --> 01:21:10,060
service.

2208
01:21:10,060 --> 01:21:13,060
>> Do I have a mover from

2209
01:21:13,060 --> 01:21:15,060
guidance 14.1 through --

2210
01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:17,060
>> Paul Bissonnette, district

2211
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:18,060
one is a mover.

2212
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:19,060
>> 15.5.

2213
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:21,060
[Laughter]

2214
01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:23,060
And a seconder?

2215
01:21:23,060 --> 01:21:26,060
>> I moved to second items 14.1

2216
01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:27,060
through 15.5, Kelly

2217
01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:29,060
Thorstad-Cullen, district three.

2218
01:21:29,060 --> 01:21:32,060
>> All in favour?

2219
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:33,060
>>

2220
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:34,060
- Un instant, je compte

2221
01:21:34,060 --> 01:21:35,060
(---)

2222
01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:37,060
comprends que vous votez contre

2223
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:38,060
quelque dossiers?

2224
01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:39,060
- 15,4.

2225
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:41,060
- O.K..

2226
01:21:50,060 --> 01:21:51,060
16.1 Approuver une modification

2227
01:21:51,060 --> 01:21:52,060
au contrat intervenu avec

2228
01:21:52,060 --> 01:21:53,060
ROXBORO EXCAVATION INC., pour la

2229
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:54,060
réfection et la mise en oeuvre

2230
01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:55,060
du plan de mobilité active de

2231
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:56,060
l'avenue Aurora entre les

2232
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:57,060
avenues Sedgefield et Donegani,

2233
01:21:57,060 --> 01:21:58,060
pour un montant de 36814,02$,

2234
01:21:58,060 --> 01:22:02,020
taxes incluses.

2235
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:06,020
les modifications: étude

2236
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:08,020
géotechnique,

2237
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:09,020
(---)

2238
01:22:09,020 --> 01:22:11,020
au raccordement de tuyaux, la

2239
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:12,020
nomination d'une section de

2240
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:13,020
tracteurs, la décontamination,

2241
01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:14,020
la reconstruction de la

2242
01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:15,020
fondation de la chaussée, le

2243
01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:18,020
transport des sols contaminés.

2244
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:20,020
Une pénalité de 27000 dollars

2245
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:21,020
est applicable à l'égard d'un

2246
01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:22,020
entrepreneur, un délai du projet

2247
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:24,020
et la non-conformité.

2248
01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:26,020
16.2 Approve a change order to

2249
01:22:26,020 --> 01:22:27,020
the contract entered into with

2250
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:29,020
ENERGERE, for Phase II of the

2251
01:22:29,020 --> 01:22:30,020
contract for the supply and

2252
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:31,020
installation of LED streetlights

2253
01:22:31,020 --> 01:22:33,020
through the Fédération

2254
01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:35,020
québécoise des municipalités

2255
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:36,020
group purchasing program, for an

2256
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:38,020
amount of $ 21,515.24, taxes

2257
01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:42,020
included. This involves paying

2258
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:44,020
for additional work. Namely,

2259
01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:45,020
this appliance installation of

2260
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:46,020
plates as well as the supply and

2261
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:48,020
installation of photo cells on

2262
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:50,020
-- lights.

2263
01:22:50,020 --> 01:22:51,020
- 16.3 Approuver une

2264
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:52,020
modification au contrat

2265
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:53,020
intervenu avec TROICÉ

2266
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:54,020
CONSTRUCTION INC., pour la

2267
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:55,020
construction d'un bâtiment

2268
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:56,020
sanitaire accessible au parc

2269
01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:57,020
Tony-Proudfoot, pour un montant

2270
01:22:57,020 --> 01:23:02,080
de 14023,27$, taxes incluses.

2271
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,080
le but de Son ancien d'autoriser

2272
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,080
le paiement de deux

2273
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:08,080
modifications: l'installation

2274
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,080
d'un compteur d'eau, c'est la

2275
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,080
fourniture et l'installation

2276
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,080
(inaudible)

2277
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,080
(problème technique)

2278
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,080
.

2279
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,080
16.4 Approve a change order to

2280
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:18,080
the contract entered into with

2281
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,080
TROICE CONSTRUCTION INC., For

2282
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,080
the construction of an

2283
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:22,080
accessible sanitary building at

2284
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,080
Augusta Park, for an amount of $

2285
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,080
758.84, taxes included. The

2286
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:26,080
purpose of this file is to

2287
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,080
authorize the payment of

2288
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,080
modification to the contract for

2289
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,080
the installation of a fire

2290
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,080
retardant plywood panel and the

2291
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,080
mechanical room.

2292
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,080
- 17.1 Dépôt d'un premier projet

2293
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,080
de résolution pour une demande

2294
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,080
PPCMOI au 195-197, boulevard

2295
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:38,080
Brunswick autorisant

2296
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,080
l'occupation d'un immeuble à des

2297
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:44,080
fins de « Mini-entrepôt ».

2298
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:46,080
un PPCMOI est un projet

2299
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,080
particulier de construction, de

2300
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:49,080
modification, d'occupation d'un

2301
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,080
immeuble, le tout en vertu d'un

2302
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,080
règlement et C-29 57, cette

2303
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,080
demande est fait pour un

2304
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:56,080
immeuble construit, les étapes

2305
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,080
d'approbation sont les mêmes que

2306
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:00,040
les réglementations

2307
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,040
(---)

2308
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,040
. La tenue d'une consultation

2309
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,040
publique, l'adoption d'un second

2310
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,040
projet, l'adoption référendaire,

2311
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,040
adoption finale.

2312
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,040
>> Do I have a mover for item

2313
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,040
16.1 through 17.1?

2314
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:16,040
>> Claude casino, district one.

2315
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,040
>> And a seconder?

2316
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,040
>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

2317
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:23,040
>> All in favour? Carried.

2318
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:24,040
>>

2319
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,040
(---)

2320
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,040
Go ahead. -- 17.2 Consider a

2321
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,040
minor exemption request

2322
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,040
regarding the property situated

2323
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,040
at 360 Du Bord-du-LacLakeshore

2324
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:35,040
Road

2325
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,040
>> Okay, this is the point for

2326
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,040
360 lakeshore. And then we will

2327
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,040
talk about the, so, I will ask

2328
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,040
people from 360 lakeshore to

2329
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,040
speak for us and then we can

2330
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,040
speak afterwards about the one

2331
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:49,040
on the conditional use on --

2332
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,040
just to explain it to be able,

2333
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,040
(voix de l'interprète)

2334
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,040
because I think there is some

2335
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,040
Confusion. When a project like

2336
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:57,040
this is brought to the city, it

2337
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,040
follows a process, okay? So, the

2338
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,000
applicant will go to the city

2339
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,000
with plans or an idea and

2340
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,000
discuss with the officials at

2341
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,000
the urban planning department

2342
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,000
how to proceed, and they will be

2343
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,000
told what they needed to do, in

2344
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,000
terms of plans. In this case,

2345
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,000
they will be given the access to

2346
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,000
the village code, which

2347
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,000
describes in detail what can be

2348
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,000
done in that area. They will go

2349
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,000
out, do their plan, then they

2350
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,000
will come out and submit their

2351
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,000
plan. The plan will be reviewed

2352
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:24,000
by the Planning Department, to

2353
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,000
make sure it complies with

2354
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,000
technical specifications of the,

2355
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,000
in this case, the village code.

2356
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,000
And once the planning department

2357
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,000
is satisfied that it conforms

2358
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,000
with the technical

2359
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,000
specifications, then it goes to

2360
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,000
the Planning Advisory Committee.

2361
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,000
The Planning Advisory Committee

2362
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,000
will then pick it mostly with

2363
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,000
respect to how it conforms to

2364
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,000
the subject of criteria that are

2365
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,000
in the village codes. The

2366
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,000
technical specifications are

2367
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,000
black or white. The subjective

2368
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,000
criteria are Gray. Does it need

2369
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,060
to subjective? Yes, no, kind of.

2370
01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:01,060
The Planning Advisory Committee

2371
01:26:01,060 --> 01:26:06,060
weighs in on that. And then they

2372
01:26:06,060 --> 01:26:07,060
make a recommendation to

2373
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:09,060
Council. So, it's only after it

2374
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:10,060
has gone through all of this

2375
01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:12,060
process and the Planning

2376
01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:13,060
Advisory Committee has come up

2377
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:15,060
with this recommendation, does

2378
01:26:15,060 --> 01:26:17,060
it come to Council. So, I would

2379
01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:20,060
like now to ask the city clerk

2380
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:21,060
to read to you the

2381
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:22,060
recommendation that was received

2382
01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:24,060
by Council, with respect to 360

2383
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:29,060
lakeshore.

2384
01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:32,060
>> So, the recommendation

2385
01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:33,060
received were where the village

2386
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:34,060
codes -- presented to allow the

2387
01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:38,060
construction of a single car

2388
01:26:38,060 --> 01:26:40,060
garage attached by a wall, to

2389
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:43,060
the existing house by a link, as

2390
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:44,060
well as important extensive,

2391
01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:46,060
sorry to use the word extensive

2392
01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:48,060
renovations, whereas 360 board

2393
01:26:48,060 --> 01:26:49,060
you lack lakeshore is not

2394
01:26:49,060 --> 01:26:51,060
identified as a building of

2395
01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:52,060
heritage interest. Whereas

2396
01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:55,060
according to the village code

2397
01:26:55,060 --> 01:26:57,060
chapter six you P3, each

2398
01:26:57,060 --> 01:26:58,060
frontage plane of a building

2399
01:26:58,060 --> 01:27:00,020
must have a minimum width of

2400
01:27:00,020 --> 01:27:03,020
four metres, whereas a minor

2401
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:04,020
exemption request has been

2402
01:27:04,020 --> 01:27:06,020
presented in order to permit a

2403
01:27:06,020 --> 01:27:08,020
breezeway with a facade plain of

2404
01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:09,020
three metres in width rather

2405
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:11,020
than the four metres as

2406
01:27:11,020 --> 01:27:13,020
required. Whereas the project

2407
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:14,020
generally meets the objectives

2408
01:27:14,020 --> 01:27:16,020
and criteria of the village code

2409
01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:18,020
chapter six you P3, whereas no

2410
01:27:18,020 --> 01:27:19,020
-- will be affected by the

2411
01:27:19,020 --> 01:27:22,020
proposed works. Consequently, it

2412
01:27:22,020 --> 01:27:24,020
is proposed to recommend to

2413
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:26,020
Council to approve the village

2414
01:27:26,020 --> 01:27:28,020
code review described above. And

2415
01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:30,020
it's also proposed that Council

2416
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:32,020
approved the request from

2417
01:27:32,020 --> 01:27:35,020
exemption as described above.

2418
01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:37,020
>> Thank you. Now, the matter

2419
01:27:37,020 --> 01:27:39,020
right now, the item right now is

2420
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:41,020
just a conditional use, but will

2421
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:44,020
allow questions or, sorry, the

2422
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:45,020
exemption, excuse me. But we

2423
01:27:45,020 --> 01:27:48,020
will allow questions on the

2424
01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:49,020
speakers review that's coming up

2425
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:50,020
a little bit later in the

2426
01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:51,020
agenda. So, in essence, anything

2427
01:27:51,020 --> 01:27:53,020
you want to ask or something you

2428
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:56,020
would like to say about 360

2429
01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:59,020
lakeshore, now is the time.

2430
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,080
>> We are Christine and Tom's to

2431
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:10,080
miss, we've been residents of

2432
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,080
Pointe-Claire for eight years.

2433
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:16,080
I've got too much stuff while my

2434
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,080
husband starts addressing you.

2435
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:22,080
Would I be permitted to present

2436
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,080
some photographs? Would I be

2437
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:25,080
able to pass photographs to the

2438
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:26,080
Councillors?

2439
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,080
>> I don't believe that you are

2440
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,080
permitted to present materials.

2441
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:32,080
We can give them --

2442
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,080
>> A picture is worth 1000

2443
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,080
words. Sorry?

2444
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:36,080
>> Pardon?

2445
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:37,080
>> We would like you to see what

2446
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,080
it is we are talking about.

2447
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:40,080
>> Council is voting on the next

2448
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,080
thing here. Would it hurt to

2449
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,080
have a look at it to see? --

2450
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,080
>> They are just photographs.

2451
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,080
Would it be okay?

2452
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:52,080
>> Well, sure. Okay, yeah, you

2453
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,080
will have to submit --

2454
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,080
>> So, I will hold up the

2455
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,080
papers. Is that what I have to

2456
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,040
do so people can see?

2457
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:01,040
>> No, signage is not permitted

2458
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:05,040
to bring with you. Just speak.

2459
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,040
>> I will start.

2460
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,040
>> Sorry, I'm the president of

2461
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,040
the --

2462
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,040
>> I'm disappointed.

2463
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:17,040
>> Hang on, I'm going to ask

2464
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:18,040
Councillor Thorstad-Cullen,

2465
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,040
she's on the Planning Advisory

2466
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,040
Committee. She can explain a

2467
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,040
little more detail.

2468
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,040
>> So, just to let you know,

2469
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,040
when this bylaw was presented in

2470
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,040
caucus, all of Council received

2471
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:29,040
all of the photos along with

2472
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,040
different viewpoints from the --

2473
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:32,040
so it's not that we haven't seen

2474
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,040
them. Anybody on Planning

2475
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,040
Advisory Committee has driven

2476
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,040
past the property and was also

2477
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:39,040
discussed with caucus. It's not

2478
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,040
that we don't want to take it,

2479
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,040
it's just protocol to not take

2480
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:42,040
it.

2481
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:43,040
>> I understand. Not to be

2482
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,040
competitive, but did you see the

2483
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,040
perspectives, the views --

2484
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,040
>> On Pointe-Claire -- people

2485
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,040
that live on Pointe-Claire

2486
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,040
Avenue as well?

2487
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,040
>> With the addition that is

2488
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,040
being proposed to be built, how

2489
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,000
it would block those views?

2490
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,000
>> Yes, we were given those

2491
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,000
perspectives.

2492
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,000
>> Is that something that's

2493
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,000
available to the public to be

2494
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,000
able to look? Decide for

2495
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:08,000
themselves whether it has

2496
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,000
blockage or not?

2497
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,000
>> It's part of the submission

2498
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,000
the Planning Advisory Committee

2499
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,000
is part of that. I believe it's

2500
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000
available access the

2501
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,000
information, but that would be

2502
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,000
it.

2503
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,000
>> Well, I guess I will pass

2504
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,000
them around the room, I guess,

2505
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,000
for people to see, so they know

2506
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,000
what we are talking about.

2507
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,000
>> Excuse me, ma'am, no. Excuse

2508
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,000
me, no, we are not --

2509
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,000
>> That's what I would like.

2510
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,000
>> It is not an open discussion.

2511
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,000
>> Okay, can I just say that it

2512
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,000
really would be useful for

2513
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,000
people to see the photos?

2514
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,000
Because a lovely gentlemen came

2515
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,000
by our house earlier this

2516
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,000
evening and he said that --

2517
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,000
road, his writing, I lived on

2518
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,000
three continents and this view,

2519
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,000
from this bus stop, is unique

2520
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,000
and should not be affected. And

2521
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:00,060
I thought that was, Thomas is

2522
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:02,060
going to speak to you.

2523
01:31:02,060 --> 01:31:03,060
>> Hi, can I get started? I want

2524
01:31:03,060 --> 01:31:06,060
to get started with the timeline

2525
01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:07,060
here. I guess what had happened

2526
01:31:07,060 --> 01:31:09,060
was why we are here this evening

2527
01:31:09,060 --> 01:31:12,060
is, we noticed the surveys

2528
01:31:12,060 --> 01:31:14,060
around early May. Didn't really

2529
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:15,060
think a lot about it at the

2530
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:19,060
time, but my neighbour Luis and

2531
01:31:19,060 --> 01:31:20,060
myself a few weeks ago, she

2532
01:31:20,060 --> 01:31:23,060
asked me to if I had noticed any

2533
01:31:23,060 --> 01:31:25,060
survey. So, what she did was

2534
01:31:25,060 --> 01:31:29,060
Louise sent an email to Mr.

2535
01:31:29,060 --> 01:31:30,060
casino on June the 14th, and I

2536
01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:32,060
quote, just wanted to touch base

2537
01:31:32,060 --> 01:31:33,060
with you on the property across

2538
01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:37,060
the street. Namely, 360 360 Du

2539
01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:38,060
Bord-du-Lac-Lakeshore. I've seen

2540
01:31:38,060 --> 01:31:39,060
the property being surveyed and

2541
01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:41,060
would like to know if there's

2542
01:31:41,060 --> 01:31:44,060
any anticipated expansion.

2543
01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:45,060
Claude responded same-day, and I

2544
01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:48,060
quote, no demolition

2545
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:49,060
anticipated. Should there be a

2546
01:31:49,060 --> 01:31:51,060
proposal from the owners, you

2547
01:31:51,060 --> 01:31:55,060
should be advised. On June the

2548
01:31:55,060 --> 01:31:58,060
15th, the next day, Louise,

2549
01:31:58,060 --> 01:32:00,020
myself, and my wife, Christine,

2550
01:32:00,020 --> 01:32:02,020
decided to visit the planning

2551
01:32:02,020 --> 01:32:04,020
department counter to not only

2552
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:05,020
confirm closed response, but

2553
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,020
also for a sense of ease that

2554
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:08,020
there is no proposal from the

2555
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:11,020
owners of 360. We met with -- at

2556
01:32:11,020 --> 01:32:14,020
the counter, much of our dismay,

2557
01:32:14,020 --> 01:32:16,020
in fact, there was a proposal

2558
01:32:16,020 --> 01:32:18,020
received by the City. Contrary

2559
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:20,020
to clothes email. We asked if we

2560
01:32:20,020 --> 01:32:22,020
could see the details of the

2561
01:32:22,020 --> 01:32:24,020
proposal and we were informed

2562
01:32:24,020 --> 01:32:25,020
that it was not available for

2563
01:32:25,020 --> 01:32:28,020
public view at this moment. We

2564
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:29,020
asked if there were any specific

2565
01:32:29,020 --> 01:32:31,020
codes, bylaws available for our

2566
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:33,020
area. She provided a copy of the

2567
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:38,020
village code. After reviewing

2568
01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:41,020
the village code, I would like

2569
01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:44,020
to just read an excerpt of the

2570
01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:46,020
preamble. It said, with the

2571
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:47,020
adoption of the village code,

2572
01:32:47,020 --> 01:32:48,020
the city of Pointe-Claire

2573
01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:50,020
becomes the first municipality

2574
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:53,020
in the province to assemble all

2575
01:32:53,020 --> 01:32:55,020
planning provisions applicable

2576
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:57,020
to a particular sector in the

2577
01:32:57,020 --> 01:32:59,020
document prepared and presented

2578
01:32:59,020 --> 01:33:01,080
according to four based planning

2579
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:04,080
principles. The village code is

2580
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:09,080
thus a first in Québec. Now, we

2581
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,080
are also going to highlight some

2582
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,080
additional points in this code

2583
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,080
pertinent to this 360 lakeshore.

2584
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,080
My wife will do that. On June

2585
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:22,080
21st, we received the public

2586
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,080
notice. Request for minor

2587
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:27,080
exemption to permit 360

2588
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,080
lakeshore road, a facade plane

2589
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,080
with three metres rather than

2590
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,080
the required four metres, and

2591
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,080
that came in via Canada Post. We

2592
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:39,080
receive that on the 21st of

2593
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:43,080
June. This notice was extremely

2594
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,080
confusing to all of the people

2595
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,080
that received that notice on

2596
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:50,080
Lakeshore. This notice was also

2597
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:53,080
not sent to anybody on

2598
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,080
Pointe-Claire Avenue on the east

2599
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,080
side, whose views would also be

2600
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:00,040
blocked with the addition of the

2601
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,040
garage. I guess the question

2602
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,040
that I have, and why I'm a

2603
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,040
little bit confused is, what is

2604
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,040
the purpose of this notice? For

2605
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,040
>> The purpose of a notice was

2606
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,040
for the minor exemption to make

2607
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:20,040
sure that all citizens that are

2608
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,040
affected by that minor

2609
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,040
exemption, and that is defined

2610
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:26,040
in the bylaw. So, when you ask

2611
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,040
why these people did not get the

2612
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,040
notice, it's because they are

2613
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,040
not defined. Whether they are or

2614
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,040
not is another issue, but they

2615
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,040
are not defined in the bylaw as

2616
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:35,040
being affected, so they didn't

2617
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,040
get the notice. The notice goes

2618
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,040
all citizens that are affected,

2619
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:41,040
so that they can come to Council

2620
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:43,040
and address that minor

2621
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,040
exemption, if they oppose it or

2622
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,040
support it. Before the decision

2623
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,040
was made.

2624
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,040
>> Okay, so, what I would like

2625
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:54,040
to know is, by reducing that

2626
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,040
facade from three metres down to

2627
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,040
four metres, is that to reduce

2628
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,000
the facade to make room for the

2629
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,000
attached garage? To be in there,

2630
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:04,000
so that the --

2631
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,000
>> No, I don't know the reason

2632
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,000
for it. You know, I'm not privy

2633
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,000
to that. But it could've been

2634
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,000
four metres. So, if they had

2635
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,000
left it at four metres, there

2636
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,000
would be room for a garage. And

2637
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,000
there would've been no minor

2638
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,000
exemption. And he would've

2639
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,000
gotten no notice.

2640
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:26,000
>> Okay, at this point, we are

2641
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,000
unaware of the project, there is

2642
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,000
no mention of it in the attached

2643
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:30,000
garage that would block the view

2644
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,000
of the lake. Households that

2645
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,000
receive the notice live on

2646
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,000
lakeshore, however, households

2647
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,000
on Pointe-Claire did not receive

2648
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,000
a notice. This would also have a

2649
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,000
major impact on them. In fact,

2650
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,000
the entire community have

2651
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,000
enjoyed their walk, jog, or bike

2652
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:48,000
along the sidewalk will lose the

2653
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:49,000
spectacular view of the lake.

2654
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,000
This will disappear for all if

2655
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,000
this is approved. With various

2656
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,000
informal meetings, phone calls

2657
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,000
over the next few days, had

2658
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,060
occurred to no avail. June 28th,

2659
01:36:01,060 --> 01:36:04,060
meeting held at the City Hall

2660
01:36:04,060 --> 01:36:08,060
with Claude Cousineau -- Karina

2661
01:36:08,060 --> 01:36:09,060
Verdun, Cindy Fisher and Louise

2662
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:13,060
-- Christine Clark, and myself,

2663
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:14,060
Cindy showed us the dimensions

2664
01:36:14,060 --> 01:36:16,060
of the proposal layout for the

2665
01:36:16,060 --> 01:36:18,060
facade and the attached garage.

2666
01:36:18,060 --> 01:36:20,060
This proposal would wipe out

2667
01:36:20,060 --> 01:36:23,060
over 75% of the view of the

2668
01:36:23,060 --> 01:36:25,060
lake. No resolution. So, as you

2669
01:36:25,060 --> 01:36:27,060
had mentioned, you folks had the

2670
01:36:27,060 --> 01:36:29,060
opportunity to have a look at

2671
01:36:29,060 --> 01:36:33,060
some of how this would block the

2672
01:36:34,060 --> 01:36:36,060
lake. The citizens did not get

2673
01:36:36,060 --> 01:36:39,060
that opportunity. And the

2674
01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:41,060
question is, why did we not get

2675
01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:43,060
that opportunity to look at

2676
01:36:43,060 --> 01:36:44,060
something like that before any

2677
01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:46,060
kind of notice would have been

2678
01:36:46,060 --> 01:36:48,060
sent out? Because it seems like

2679
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:50,060
we are putting the cart ahead of

2680
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:54,060
the horse here by going with the

2681
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:56,060
reduction of four metres down to

2682
01:36:56,060 --> 01:36:57,060
three metres. Like, what sense

2683
01:36:57,060 --> 01:36:59,060
does that make when we are not

2684
01:36:59,060 --> 01:37:01,020
being told in the public notice

2685
01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:03,020
what the scope of the project

2686
01:37:03,020 --> 01:37:05,020
is? How are we supposed to have

2687
01:37:05,020 --> 01:37:09,020
any kind of knowledge as to what

2688
01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:12,020
the endgame is here?

2689
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:13,020
>> The way is exactly the way

2690
01:37:13,020 --> 01:37:16,020
you did. You've got a notice, so

2691
01:37:16,020 --> 01:37:17,020
that permitted, give you enough

2692
01:37:17,020 --> 01:37:19,020
time to investigate, and you

2693
01:37:19,020 --> 01:37:20,020
investigated.

2694
01:37:20,020 --> 01:37:21,020
>> Didn't get enough time to

2695
01:37:21,020 --> 01:37:22,020
investigate.

2696
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:23,020
>> It seems to me you did.

2697
01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:25,020
You've come here fully prepared,

2698
01:37:25,020 --> 01:37:27,020
it seems to me. You have

2699
01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:29,020
knowledge of what the building

2700
01:37:29,020 --> 01:37:31,020
is going to go, and so, you

2701
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:36,020
know, I think that the statutes

2702
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:38,020
have done their job, in terms of

2703
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:40,020
making sure that -- I understand

2704
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,020
that you may feel he would've

2705
01:37:41,020 --> 01:37:42,020
liked, preferred to have more

2706
01:37:42,020 --> 01:37:44,020
time, but that's what is in the

2707
01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:46,020
bylaw. That is what is also in

2708
01:37:46,020 --> 01:37:48,020
the law. Now, when it comes to

2709
01:37:48,020 --> 01:37:52,020
the actual building, you don't

2710
01:37:52,020 --> 01:37:55,020
have a right of advanced notice.

2711
01:37:55,020 --> 01:37:56,020
According to our bylaw, and

2712
01:37:56,020 --> 01:37:59,020
according to the process, it

2713
01:37:59,020 --> 01:38:01,080
explained, and up to the point

2714
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,080
where it comes to Council, there

2715
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:06,080
is no right of public access, to

2716
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,080
that information. That is the

2717
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,080
process between the citizens and

2718
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,080
the city. When it comes to

2719
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:14,080
Council, it comes in the form of

2720
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,080
the site planning architectural

2721
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,080
integration plan. We have to

2722
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,080
approve it. That typically

2723
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,080
comes, like, a lot of other

2724
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,080
properties that are coming up

2725
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:24,080
from what's called a spade

2726
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,080
review. That notices given the

2727
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:27,080
public on the Friday for the

2728
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:28,080
Tuesday meeting. That's

2729
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,080
according to our bylaw and

2730
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:34,080
statute. Now, perhaps it's an

2731
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,080
idea to increase that notice,

2732
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:37,080
but that is not the way the law

2733
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,080
is written now. So, you've been

2734
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:42,080
given the notice that is

2735
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,080
required and by the presence of

2736
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,080
everybody here tonight, it seems

2737
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,080
adequate.

2738
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,080
>> With respect, the notice did

2739
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,080
not offer full disclosure as to

2740
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:52,080
the scope of the project. There

2741
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:57,080
was no mention of the garage.

2742
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:00,040
And the notice was not given to

2743
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,040
everyone, which wasn't fair.

2744
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:06,040
This isn't just about us. This

2745
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,040
is affecting a lot of people.

2746
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,040
>> This file is a bit

2747
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:12,040
complicated because that minor

2748
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,040
exemption is required to have

2749
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,040
this public disclosure, public

2750
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:18,040
notice. It's attached to

2751
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,040
something that's not. And so, it

2752
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:21,040
doesn't have the same

2753
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,040
requirements. So, that made it a

2754
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:25,040
little complicated and that's --

2755
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:26,040
>> Minor is really major.

2756
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:27,040
>> I can understand that

2757
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,040
perspective, but on the one

2758
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,040
hand. On the other, you did

2759
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,040
organize to have that meeting.

2760
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,040
The information was passed to

2761
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,040
you. You've got an information,

2762
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:38,040
you are addressing us tonight,

2763
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,040
so you have clearly prepared

2764
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:43,040
yourself. You know what the

2765
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,040
project is, so it actually did

2766
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,040
work.

2767
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:50,040
>> We were not provided a plan.

2768
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:54,040
We were allowed to look at it. I

2769
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:57,040
asked the question about the

2770
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:02,000
facade. That is to build. And I

2771
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:06,000
was told three metres, plus five

2772
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:11,000
point 64 metres, which is almost

2773
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,000
nine metres coming out from the

2774
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,000
main building, the main house.

2775
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:17,000
It's a huge --

2776
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,000
>> I understand that.

2777
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,000
>> It's a huge construction.

2778
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,000
>> The staff is caught in this

2779
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,000
position when they are dealing

2780
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:24,000
with you that they have to

2781
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,000
respect the privacy of the

2782
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,000
applicant. Until that

2783
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,000
information is put before

2784
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,000
Council, until it's on the

2785
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,000
agenda this meeting, and is

2786
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,000
published, that information is

2787
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:37,000
confidential. So, you know,

2788
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,000
whatever information they gave

2789
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,000
you, they had to play with, that

2790
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,000
had to recognize that they have

2791
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,000
to give you information on the

2792
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,000
one hand to support your ability

2793
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,000
to comment on the minor

2794
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,000
exemption, but they have to

2795
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,000
protect the applicants

2796
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,000
confidentiality and privacy for

2797
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,000
their project. This is a bit of

2798
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:56,000
the tight situation. But in this

2799
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,000
case, as I said, you've come

2800
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,060
prepared, you seem to know what

2801
01:41:00,060 --> 01:41:03,060
is coming ahead. What the

2802
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:05,060
decision that Council is being

2803
01:41:05,060 --> 01:41:06,060
required to make and you can

2804
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:07,060
make a representation to

2805
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:09,060
Council, you can hold Council

2806
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:13,060
accountable. No, ma'am, this is

2807
01:41:13,060 --> 01:41:16,060
not a discussion. This is a

2808
01:41:16,060 --> 01:41:20,060
public consultation. Ma'am, the

2809
01:41:20,060 --> 01:41:21,060
public --

2810
01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:22,060
[Inaudible]

2811
01:41:22,060 --> 01:41:25,060
>> Yeah, you have to address

2812
01:41:25,060 --> 01:41:27,060
Council in the mic. I think

2813
01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:29,060
we've dealt with you.

2814
01:41:29,060 --> 01:41:30,060
>> We've got a few things --

2815
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:31,060
>> And just make a clarified

2816
01:41:31,060 --> 01:41:33,060
point? I think there's some

2817
01:41:33,060 --> 01:41:37,060
confusion here. The property

2818
01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:38,060
owners at 360 lakeshore, if they

2819
01:41:38,060 --> 01:41:40,060
had built, -- what they're going

2820
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:41,060
to build with a four metre

2821
01:41:41,060 --> 01:41:43,060
connection, they are allowed to

2822
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:45,060
do that in a current bylaw.

2823
01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:47,060
Nothing that they are doing

2824
01:41:47,060 --> 01:41:49,060
opposes our current bylaws that

2825
01:41:49,060 --> 01:41:51,060
are written as such. The only

2826
01:41:51,060 --> 01:41:52,060
reason it became a minor

2827
01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:53,060
delegation is because they are

2828
01:41:53,060 --> 01:41:55,060
shortening that connection

2829
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:57,060
piece, so, bylaw, on paper, you

2830
01:41:57,060 --> 01:41:59,060
look at the bylaws, there's

2831
01:41:59,060 --> 01:42:00,020
nothing that's not in accordance

2832
01:42:00,020 --> 01:42:02,020
with our current bylaws if the

2833
01:42:02,020 --> 01:42:03,020
city of Pointe-Claire. Whether

2834
01:42:03,020 --> 01:42:04,020
you agree with the bylaws or not

2835
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:06,020
is a whole different story, but

2836
01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:08,020
they are abiding by the bylaws

2837
01:42:08,020 --> 01:42:09,020
that exist. So, you just need to

2838
01:42:09,020 --> 01:42:11,020
remember that and then there are

2839
01:42:11,020 --> 01:42:14,020
two other points. We never share

2840
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:15,020
with neighbours the plants of

2841
01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:16,020
somebody who's going to do a

2842
01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:17,020
renovation. We don't knock on

2843
01:42:17,020 --> 01:42:18,020
every door and say, oh, your

2844
01:42:18,020 --> 01:42:19,020
neighbour is about to build

2845
01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:20,020
this. It doesn't happen in the

2846
01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:22,020
city of Pointe-Claire.

2847
01:42:22,020 --> 01:42:23,020
>> Of course not.

2848
01:42:23,020 --> 01:42:24,020
>> So, we cannot do that, and we

2849
01:42:24,020 --> 01:42:26,020
have to respect the rights of

2850
01:42:26,020 --> 01:42:27,020
360, and that's a different

2851
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:28,020
perspective is the village code.

2852
01:42:28,020 --> 01:42:29,020
But you need to also remember

2853
01:42:29,020 --> 01:42:31,020
that the village code speaks

2854
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:33,020
about the public views, not

2855
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:34,020
private because. Private views

2856
01:42:34,020 --> 01:42:36,020
are not protected in

2857
01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:37,020
Pointe-Claire. So, I'm just

2858
01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:38,020
telling you what we have to work

2859
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:41,020
with on black and white bylaw.

2860
01:42:41,020 --> 01:42:43,020
>> It is the village code a

2861
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:44,020
binding document?

2862
01:42:44,020 --> 01:42:47,020
>> Sir, as I explained, try to

2863
01:42:47,020 --> 01:42:48,020
get across at the beginning, in

2864
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:50,020
the village code, there are

2865
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:52,020
absolute binding black and white

2866
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:54,020
criteria, but there are also

2867
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:56,020
subjective criteria. That are

2868
01:42:56,020 --> 01:42:58,020
subject to judgment, a judgment

2869
01:42:58,020 --> 01:43:00,080
call. When Madam Gutierrez read

2870
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,080
out the recommendation of the

2871
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,080
Planning Advisory Committee, it

2872
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,080
says specifically, whereas the

2873
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,080
objectives of the village code

2874
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:11,080
are generally respected, that

2875
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,080
doesn't mean that every single

2876
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:16,080
one is respected, in terms of

2877
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,080
black and white. It means

2878
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:20,080
there's been a trade-off in the

2879
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,080
assessment of the Planning

2880
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,080
Advisory Committee and that

2881
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,080
trade-off is incorporated into

2882
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:28,080
their recommendation that has

2883
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:29,080
been given to Council.

2884
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:33,080
>> But we seem to have -- in the

2885
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,080
village code itself, and I

2886
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,080
quote, it's preserved in a high

2887
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:38,080
lab outstanding views of the

2888
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,080
lakes, and it's scenery. So,

2889
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:44,080
you're saying that in all the

2890
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,080
sections, the various sections

2891
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,080
that are there, those types of

2892
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:51,080
comments that are written --

2893
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,080
>> Are disregarded?

2894
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:55,080
>> We are just taken into

2895
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:56,080
consideration, they don't hold

2896
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,080
any water.? We

2897
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,040
>> That is a subjective, it says

2898
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,040
it's the intention of the

2899
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:04,040
village code to preserve the

2900
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:08,040
water views as Councillor

2901
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,040
Thorstad-Cullen said, that the

2902
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,040
intention is directed at the

2903
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,040
public perspective, not at a

2904
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,040
private perspective. So, that's

2905
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,040
the intention. The

2906
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,040
recommendation from the Planning

2907
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,040
Advisory Committee is that the

2908
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:22,040
general objectives of the

2909
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:24,040
village code have been

2910
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:25,040
respected. That is the

2911
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:26,040
recommendation that they are

2912
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:30,040
giving to Council.

2913
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:31,040
>> Can we start reading our

2914
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:32,040
petition? We have a petition,

2915
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,040
please read it very quickly. I

2916
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:39,040
can talk quickly. It's important

2917
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:41,040
that

2918
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,040
[Silence]

2919
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:51,040
And this isn't for us. It's

2920
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,040
important for people to

2921
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:53,040
understand, yes it's personal,

2922
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,040
this is our home, we are

2923
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:56,040
emotional about it, we feel

2924
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:58,040
protective. But anyone who's

2925
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,000
found out about this in our

2926
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,000
immediate area and even other

2927
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,000
districts of Pointe-Claire,

2928
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:04,000
they're very troubled and very

2929
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:07,000
upset. And they asked us to

2930
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,000
start a petition. So, I just

2931
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,000
want to make that clear. It's

2932
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,000
not entirely for us, ourselves

2933
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:19,000
as individuals. So, the petition

2934
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,000
states, as a Pointe-Claire

2935
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,000
citizen, I'm strongly opposed to

2936
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:26,000
the construction of a garage at

2937
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,000
360 lakeshore or any other

2938
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,000
building, for that matter, that

2939
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:30,000
could potentially severely

2940
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,000
degrade the panoramic view of

2941
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,000
Lac-Saint-Louis, impacting the

2942
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,000
Pointe-Claire Village,

2943
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,000
negatively, by threatening it's

2944
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:39,000
important to heritage, property

2945
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,000
values, and is in contradiction

2946
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:46,000
to chapter six, you P3 West

2947
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,000
Island Village entrance code as

2948
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,000
follows. And I've already shown

2949
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,000
it, I will show it again, it's

2950
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:55,000
on the website, so a city of

2951
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:56,000
Pointe-Claire website. I can

2952
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,000
help you find it, it's a bit of

2953
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,060
a labyrinth, but it is there.

2954
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:03,060
Under intentions, strengthen the

2955
01:46:03,060 --> 01:46:04,060
relationship with the village

2956
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:08,060
core. Preserve views towards

2957
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:09,060
Lac-Saint-Louis under citing

2958
01:46:09,060 --> 01:46:11,060
number nine. Site setbacks

2959
01:46:11,060 --> 01:46:13,060
providing views of

2960
01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:14,060
Lac-Saint-Louis should be

2961
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:16,060
preserved and laid out as, so as

2962
01:46:16,060 --> 01:46:18,060
to provide a strong visual link

2963
01:46:18,060 --> 01:46:21,060
between the public domain and

2964
01:46:21,060 --> 01:46:24,060
the lake. Number 11, garages and

2965
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:26,060
sheds should be hidden or barely

2966
01:46:26,060 --> 01:46:28,060
visible from the street, their

2967
01:46:28,060 --> 01:46:30,060
location should be setback from

2968
01:46:30,060 --> 01:46:32,060
the main building, and ideally,

2969
01:46:32,060 --> 01:46:35,060
behind it. For waterfront

2970
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:36,060
properties along

2971
01:46:36,060 --> 01:46:37,060
Lac-Saint-Louis, the placement

2972
01:46:37,060 --> 01:46:39,060
and height of the construction

2973
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:41,060
or expansion of a building, wall

2974
01:46:41,060 --> 01:46:43,060
hedge, or fence should allow for

2975
01:46:43,060 --> 01:46:45,060
views between buildings or over

2976
01:46:45,060 --> 01:46:48,060
walls, hedges, and fences, and

2977
01:46:48,060 --> 01:46:50,060
should enhance the exceptional

2978
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:52,060
views of Lac-Saint-Louis and his

2979
01:46:52,060 --> 01:46:54,060
landscape, taking into account

2980
01:46:54,060 --> 01:46:56,060
the vegetation and the existing

2981
01:46:56,060 --> 01:46:59,060
plant land levels. Under

2982
01:46:59,060 --> 01:47:01,020
treatment of front setback, a

2983
01:47:01,020 --> 01:47:02,020
development should preserve and

2984
01:47:02,020 --> 01:47:06,020
enhance views towards

2985
01:47:06,020 --> 01:47:09,020
Lac-Saint-Louis. Number 12, for

2986
01:47:09,020 --> 01:47:10,020
waterfront properties along

2987
01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:11,020
Lac-Saint-Louis, any wall,

2988
01:47:11,020 --> 01:47:13,020
hedge, or fence should be placed

2989
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:16,020
so as to preserve and highlight

2990
01:47:16,020 --> 01:47:20,020
outstanding views of the lake

2991
01:47:20,020 --> 01:47:23,020
and it's scenery. I need a drink

2992
01:47:23,020 --> 01:47:24,020
of water very badly.

2993
01:47:24,020 --> 01:47:26,020
>> -- how is that subjective?

2994
01:47:26,020 --> 01:47:28,020
>> Okay, --

2995
01:47:28,020 --> 01:47:29,020
>> Just a moment, please.

2996
01:47:29,020 --> 01:47:30,020
>> I just want to introduce, I'm

2997
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:31,020
sorry.

2998
01:47:31,020 --> 01:47:34,020
>> I would like to ask Council,

2999
01:47:34,020 --> 01:47:36,020
how is that subjective, with all

3000
01:47:36,020 --> 01:47:40,020
of the, this is all coming from

3001
01:47:41,020 --> 01:47:42,020
the village code right here. The

3002
01:47:42,020 --> 01:47:44,020
village code is written for a

3003
01:47:44,020 --> 01:47:47,020
reason. If I'm not mistaken, I

3004
01:47:47,020 --> 01:47:48,020
think -- we're involved with the

3005
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:50,020
writing in the village code with

3006
01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:52,020
the last administration. That

3007
01:47:52,020 --> 01:47:57,020
was one in 2017, 2018. And I

3008
01:47:59,020 --> 01:48:00,080
believe some of you may have

3009
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,080
also participated in that. So,

3010
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:05,080
all of these points, are they

3011
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:07,080
classified as valid or invalid?

3012
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:09,080
>> Sir, we are not going to get

3013
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:10,080
into a debate.

3014
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,080
>> It's not a matter of debate,

3015
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:13,080
sir.

3016
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,080
>> It is.

3017
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:16,080
>> Upholding the village code.

3018
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,080
>> I get, that but answering the

3019
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:19,080
question is kind of soliciting

3020
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:22,080
debate. The answer, in general

3021
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,080
sense, is that, as I've said,

3022
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,080
the village code has objective

3023
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:27,080
elements and it has subjective

3024
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:29,080
elements. And Council, when we

3025
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,080
get to it, will vote and each

3026
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,080
one will vote their conscience,

3027
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:35,080
according to what they think.

3028
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:38,080
And if they are in agreement,

3029
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,080
the village code is black and

3030
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:42,080
white on perspectives and of the

3031
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:43,080
lake, and that putting any kind

3032
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,080
of an obstacle in front of the

3033
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,080
way it should be absolutely --

3034
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:49,080
they will vote against it. If

3035
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,080
they have a feeling differently,

3036
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,080
they will vote the other way.

3037
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:56,080
So, that is as complete and

3038
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:57,080
answer as I can give you.

3039
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:58,080
>> But I would think like

3040
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,040
something like that would be put

3041
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,040
under preamble that, you know,

3042
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:04,040
something in the verbiage that

3043
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,040
would indicate that it is

3044
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:08,040
subjective. Because it doesn't

3045
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:09,040
say anything in here that, you

3046
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:13,040
know, these items may be

3047
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:18,040
subjective, but based on --

3048
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:19,040
whether he believed in these

3049
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:22,040
issues or not, I'm confused.

3050
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:23,040
>> Well, you may have a point.

3051
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:24,040
Maybe we should re-look at the

3052
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:26,040
preamble, but that's not up for

3053
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,040
decision tonight. Tonight,

3054
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,040
talking about the minor

3055
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:31,040
exemptions and then later on,

3056
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:34,040
the -- review for 360 and that

3057
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,040
is it. And they said,

3058
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:37,040
councillors will make their own

3059
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,040
determinations to what is

3060
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:39,040
subjective and what is

3061
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:40,040
objective, and they will vote

3062
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:41,040
accordingly.

3063
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:44,040
>> So, going back to that notice

3064
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:46,040
that we had received, the

3065
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,040
reduction of four metres down to

3066
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:53,040
three metres. You are saying

3067
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,040
that even at four metres, with

3068
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:58,040
the addition of the garage it is

3069
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:02,000
within the proper confines, that

3070
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,000
is there?

3071
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,000
>> Yes, that meets the technical

3072
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,000
specifications of the village

3073
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:06,000
code, correct.

3074
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,000
>> Okay, so that's the part

3075
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,000
that, then you will make a

3076
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:14,000
decision on that tonight at --

3077
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,000
ten 17.5 it will be taken into

3078
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,000
consideration in the village

3079
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:19,000
code?

3080
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,000
>> The next, I guess the 17.5,

3081
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,000
that's where the speed comes up.

3082
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:24,000
Yes, that's exactly the village

3083
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,000
code. That is, the application

3084
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:31,000
of the subjective elements of

3085
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,000
the village code is right there.

3086
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,000
So yes, council will vote on

3087
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,000
that.

3088
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:39,000
>> And if I may add, when

3089
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:40,000
council votes, we really hope

3090
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,000
that they will vote with their

3091
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:47,000
heart and with their head, to

3092
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,000
make an intelligent decision and

3093
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:55,000
a decision that is best for

3094
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:59,000
Pointe-Claire. And not a

3095
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,060
decision, what can I say? A

3096
01:51:02,060 --> 01:51:05,060
decision that is politically,

3097
01:51:05,060 --> 01:51:06,060
strategic.

3098
01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:08,060
>> I guess maybe the best thing,

3099
01:51:08,060 --> 01:51:10,060
the best way to word it is to

3100
01:51:10,060 --> 01:51:13,060
put yourselves in positions of

3101
01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:15,060
the people that are being

3102
01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:16,060
affective but are here this

3103
01:51:16,060 --> 01:51:17,060
evening. Not just for the

3104
01:51:17,060 --> 01:51:20,060
addition of the garage, where

3105
01:51:20,060 --> 01:51:21,060
you are going to take away that

3106
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:24,060
beautiful view of the lake for a

3107
01:51:24,060 --> 01:51:25,060
garage.

3108
01:51:25,060 --> 01:51:27,060
>> May I just finished?

3109
01:51:27,060 --> 01:51:29,060
>> Does that serve any of the

3110
01:51:29,060 --> 01:51:31,060
citizens in the area in any way,

3111
01:51:31,060 --> 01:51:32,060
shape, or form?

3112
01:51:32,060 --> 01:51:34,060
>> I think you made a point very

3113
01:51:34,060 --> 01:51:36,060
clear and you to, I think we

3114
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:37,060
have to move on.

3115
01:51:37,060 --> 01:51:38,060
>> With respect, I have to

3116
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:39,060
finish this and present the

3117
01:51:39,060 --> 01:51:40,060
petition.

3118
01:51:40,060 --> 01:51:41,060
>> You can do that, but we are

3119
01:51:41,060 --> 01:51:42,060
going to have to move on. Let

3120
01:51:42,060 --> 01:51:44,060
other people have a chance. Let

3121
01:51:44,060 --> 01:51:45,060
me answer one question and one

3122
01:51:45,060 --> 01:51:48,060
point. I can guarantee that

3123
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:50,060
every councillor on every person

3124
01:51:50,060 --> 01:51:51,060
here tonight, all councillors

3125
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:52,060
will do exactly what you have

3126
01:51:52,060 --> 01:51:57,060
asked. That is, they will vote

3127
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:58,060
to further the best interest of

3128
01:51:58,060 --> 01:51:59,060
the city of Pointe-Claire, all

3129
01:51:59,060 --> 01:52:00,020
the residents in the city of

3130
01:52:00,020 --> 01:52:01,020
Pointe-Claire. That is what they

3131
01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:04,020
all do every time. That means

3132
01:52:04,020 --> 01:52:05,020
some people will not like what

3133
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:07,020
they have and what they vote,

3134
01:52:07,020 --> 01:52:08,020
and other people will. That's

3135
01:52:08,020 --> 01:52:10,020
just the nature of the game. But

3136
01:52:10,020 --> 01:52:15,020
they do it every time.

3137
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:17,020
>> May I present the petitions?

3138
01:52:17,020 --> 01:52:18,020
>> Yeah.

3139
01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:23,020
>> Thank you.

3140
01:52:24,020 --> 01:52:26,020
>> Jill Barker, 14 Pointe-Claire

3141
01:52:26,020 --> 01:52:31,020
Avenue. I guess my concern is

3142
01:52:32,020 --> 01:52:34,020
the creep of this decision. So,

3143
01:52:34,020 --> 01:52:36,020
Iran, cycle, walk along

3144
01:52:36,020 --> 01:52:38,020
lakeshore Road. And if we do

3145
01:52:38,020 --> 01:52:41,020
this for this instance, then we

3146
01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:43,020
do it the next time, and the

3147
01:52:43,020 --> 01:52:44,020
next request, and the next

3148
01:52:44,020 --> 01:52:46,020
request, and ten years from now,

3149
01:52:46,020 --> 01:52:48,020
that view on lakeshore road that

3150
01:52:48,020 --> 01:52:51,020
we all enjoy, that public view,

3151
01:52:51,020 --> 01:52:53,020
will slowly erode. And this is

3152
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:56,020
the beginning of the creep. And

3153
01:52:56,020 --> 01:53:00,080
this is what is going to change.

3154
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,080
What we all, we shout

3155
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:04,080
Pointe-Claire. We tout its views

3156
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:06,080
of the lake, the access to the

3157
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:09,080
lake. And so, how do we stop the

3158
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:12,080
creep? It is here. And that's

3159
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:14,080
the public access. That is what

3160
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,080
we look for when we walk, you

3161
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:17,080
know? The people that walk

3162
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:19,080
through the village, that is

3163
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:20,080
what they are looking for. They

3164
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,080
are not looking for more

3165
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:25,080
garages, they want the view of

3166
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:29,080
the lake. So, we need to stop it

3167
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:31,080
now.

3168
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:36,080
>> Thank you. Anybody else?

3169
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,080
Well, I don't have a list now,

3170
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:43,080
so --

3171
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,080
>> Hello, my name is Louise --

3172
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,080
bomber, I live at 361 lakeshore

3173
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:53,080
road. I love directly across

3174
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,080
from 360.

3175
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,080
>> Ma'am, can you speak into the

3176
01:53:57,080 --> 01:54:00,040
mic? For all the people at home.

3177
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:01,040
Just for the people at home,

3178
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:02,040
speak in the Mike. We can hear

3179
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:04,040
you.

3180
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:06,040
>> Okay, wherever the mic takes

3181
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:09,040
me. I'm just, of course I'm in

3182
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:12,040
great opposition. You know,

3183
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:13,040
we've lived there for over 20

3184
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:17,040
years. We bought it because of

3185
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:19,040
the spectacular view, because we

3186
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,040
love to sit on the balcony and

3187
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,040
see all the people going by. It

3188
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:25,040
is a quality of our life. And

3189
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,040
that is going to be taken away

3190
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:30,040
with this, our view it's going

3191
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:33,040
to be completely obstructed. You

3192
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,040
know, I don't think it is fair

3193
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,040
and I don't, you know, I really

3194
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,040
think, I really think that is

3195
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,040
not for the greater good. But

3196
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,040
however, whatever way the system

3197
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:44,040
works here, do you really mean

3198
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:48,040
to tell me we get this minor,

3199
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,040
little, oh, it's a minor

3200
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,040
exemption. But it's a minor

3201
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:55,040
exemption for a major building.

3202
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:58,040
I mean, seriously, I really feel

3203
01:54:58,040 --> 01:54:59,040
here that there is no

3204
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:01,000
transparency. I really do. It

3205
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:04,000
was not full disclosure. We

3206
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,000
should've had full disclosure.

3207
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:09,000
And, you see, my house is here,

3208
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:13,000
as a heritage interest. One of

3209
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:17,000
the things to preserve views

3210
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:18,000
towards Lac St. Louis. How come

3211
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,000
that is not important? I really

3212
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,000
do not understand. How it

3213
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:26,000
could've gotten this far and the

3214
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,000
person who bought, I mean, if we

3215
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,000
hadn't seen the person on the

3216
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:32,000
road and said, oh, are you doing

3217
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,000
something to your house? Oh

3218
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:35,000
yeah, he showed us the picture,

3219
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:38,000
it's not Pointe-Claire who

3220
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,000
divulge what was being done.

3221
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,000
It's the man himself and that is

3222
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,000
when we took action. Hey, wait a

3223
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,000
minute here. So, I'm just asking

3224
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:49,000
you, you know, to take our point

3225
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:50,000
of view to. Yes, for me

3226
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:53,000
personally, yes and it evaluates

3227
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,000
our property, I think, come on.

3228
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,000
But it is for everybody. As Joe

3229
01:55:57,000 --> 01:56:01,060
said, everybody walks, jobs,

3230
01:56:01,060 --> 01:56:03,060
stops there, you know? It is an

3231
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:05,060
obstruction of our view and the

3232
01:56:05,060 --> 01:56:08,060
quality of our life. And that is

3233
01:56:08,060 --> 01:56:11,060
really what I want to say. I'm

3234
01:56:11,060 --> 01:56:13,060
terribly sorry. That we even

3235
01:56:13,060 --> 01:56:14,060
have to do this.

3236
01:56:14,060 --> 01:56:19,060
>> Thank you, ma'am.

3237
01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:22,060
>> As you can tell, a lot of

3238
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:24,060
people feel very strongly.

3239
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:26,060
Claude, you live on our street,

3240
01:56:26,060 --> 01:56:28,060
so he would. No you drive down

3241
01:56:28,060 --> 01:56:29,060
the street, you see the lake

3242
01:56:29,060 --> 01:56:30,060
when you walk the dog. It's one

3243
01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:33,060
around, it is one of the longest

3244
01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:34,060
streak in Pointe-Claire, by the

3245
01:56:34,060 --> 01:56:35,060
way. A lot of people live on

3246
01:56:35,060 --> 01:56:37,060
that street. I'm on seven

3247
01:56:37,060 --> 01:56:38,060
Pointe-Claire Avenue -- by the

3248
01:56:38,060 --> 01:56:41,060
way, have lived there 13 years,

3249
01:56:41,060 --> 01:56:43,060
was raised, born and raised in

3250
01:56:43,060 --> 01:56:46,060
Pointe-Claire as well. So, when

3251
01:56:46,060 --> 01:56:48,060
somebody mentioned that you've

3252
01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:50,060
gotten all the views and all the

3253
01:56:50,060 --> 01:56:51,060
views that were impacted, nobody

3254
01:56:51,060 --> 01:56:53,060
came on my front porch to see

3255
01:56:53,060 --> 01:56:55,060
how I feel. By the way, I just

3256
01:56:55,060 --> 01:56:56,060
did I know I'm very familiar

3257
01:56:56,060 --> 01:56:58,060
with the process because I just

3258
01:56:58,060 --> 01:57:00,020
did a major renovation on my

3259
01:57:00,020 --> 01:57:01,020
house, including a wraparound

3260
01:57:01,020 --> 01:57:04,020
porch. Because of the view. It

3261
01:57:04,020 --> 01:57:05,020
is where I have coffee every

3262
01:57:05,020 --> 01:57:06,020
morning, it's where I have a

3263
01:57:06,020 --> 01:57:07,020
glass of wine, or to, every

3264
01:57:07,020 --> 01:57:09,020
evening, it's where bring my

3265
01:57:09,020 --> 01:57:11,020
friends, it is my life. I built

3266
01:57:11,020 --> 01:57:15,020
my dream home around the views.

3267
01:57:15,020 --> 01:57:17,020
And someone wants to build a

3268
01:57:17,020 --> 01:57:18,020
garage because it's convenient

3269
01:57:18,020 --> 01:57:21,020
and all of this, we are 15

3270
01:57:21,020 --> 01:57:23,020
people. Just showing up tonight.

3271
01:57:23,020 --> 01:57:25,020
Many were not available because

3272
01:57:25,020 --> 01:57:27,020
it impacts our everyday life. My

3273
01:57:27,020 --> 01:57:29,020
every morning coffee, my friends

3274
01:57:29,020 --> 01:57:30,020
that come over for the view, you

3275
01:57:30,020 --> 01:57:32,020
know? My dinner I have that I

3276
01:57:32,020 --> 01:57:35,020
had last night looking at the

3277
01:57:35,020 --> 01:57:39,020
lake. We heard a lot earlier

3278
01:57:39,020 --> 01:57:42,020
that frustration from residents,

3279
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:43,020
citizens that are not being

3280
01:57:43,020 --> 01:57:46,020
heard. So, I know the process is

3281
01:57:46,020 --> 01:57:47,020
-- I believe you mentioned there

3282
01:57:47,020 --> 01:57:48,020
is going to be a committee and

3283
01:57:48,020 --> 01:57:51,020
they will make a decision. How

3284
01:57:51,020 --> 01:57:54,020
can they be aware of our

3285
01:57:54,020 --> 01:57:55,020
thoughts or feelings, or

3286
01:57:55,020 --> 01:57:57,020
objections? There is a petition,

3287
01:57:57,020 --> 01:57:59,020
will they see the petition?

3288
01:57:59,020 --> 01:58:00,080
>> Ma'am, --

3289
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,080
>> How can our voice be heard

3290
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:02,080
greater than here?

3291
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:04,080
>> The committee has made a

3292
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:05,080
recommendation without hearing

3293
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:07,080
you, correct. But now that

3294
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,080
recommendation doesn't, it has

3295
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:10,080
no bearing until council votes

3296
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:12,080
shortly on that issue. So, now

3297
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,080
we are hearing you. And

3298
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:15,080
everybody else.

3299
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:17,080
>> Okay, we are a lot. This is a

3300
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:19,080
great opportunity to listen to

3301
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:21,080
the residents and its citizens.

3302
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:22,080
That they feel strongly about

3303
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:23,080
this and you will have one guy

3304
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:25,080
not happy that he doesn't have a

3305
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:27,080
garage. I should've bought that

3306
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:29,080
house. I'm going to build a

3307
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:30,080
garage. That guy was not going

3308
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:31,080
to be happy, but you're going to

3309
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,080
make an entire street and entire

3310
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:36,080
community much happier. It's not

3311
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:38,080
-- to listen to us and to take

3312
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:39,080
us seriously.

3313
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:41,080
>> Thank you.

3314
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:43,080
>> Yeah, I'm just going to use

3315
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:44,080
your own words that you said,

3316
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,080
that you would listen to the

3317
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:49,080
citizens of Pointe-Claire. A lot

3318
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,080
of people, not just citizens of

3319
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:52,080
Pointe-Claire. Everybody from

3320
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:53,080
Montréal walks on that

3321
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:54,080
lakeshore, goes through

3322
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:57,080
Pointe-Claire village is. Spends

3323
01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:59,080
the money and looks at the view

3324
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,040
and hangs out at that park. And

3325
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,040
if you are going to take the

3326
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:05,040
view of the Pointe-Claire

3327
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,040
citizens to heart, then you

3328
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:11,040
should listen to what everybody

3329
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,040
is saying. Really, the only

3330
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:14,040
person who's going to benefit

3331
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:16,040
from that garage is one guy. But

3332
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:19,040
you have hundreds of people,

3333
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:20,040
thousands of people who go

3334
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:21,040
through Pointe-Claire Village

3335
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:25,040
who enjoy that view. So, I would

3336
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:27,040
ask that you would honour what

3337
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:29,040
you said, that you would take

3338
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,040
Pointe-Claire citizens opinions

3339
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:31,040
to heart.

3340
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:36,040
>> Thank you. Anybody else on --

3341
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:41,040
>> I'm that guy.

3342
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:45,040
[Inaudible]

3343
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:51,040
>> Hello, thank you for

3344
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,040
receiving us tonight. --

3345
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:58,040
Nous sommes les co-propriétaires

3346
01:59:58,040 --> 01:59:59,040
du 360 Lakeshore. Au besoin,

3347
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:01,000
s'il y a des questions

3348
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:02,000
techniques auxquelles on peut

3349
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:05,000
répondre, madame Monique

3350
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:07,000
Villeneuve et notre architecte

3351
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:09,000
du village de Pointe-Claire, son

3352
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:10,000
bureau est

3353
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:11,000
(inaudible)

3354
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:12,000
, il connaît le village, le Code

3355
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:14,000
et la propriété.

3356
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:19,000
I understand this is a very

3357
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:21,000
emotional issue for both

3358
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:22,000
councils. Understand that's why

3359
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:23,000
I'm supposed to talk. And I know

3360
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:24,000
I'm talking to the people over

3361
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,000
here and the people that are not

3362
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:28,000
in this room right now. It is an

3363
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:31,000
emotional issue. We fought hard

3364
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:34,000
and long before purchasing this

3365
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:35,000
property that had been on the

3366
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:38,000
market for a couple of years. We

3367
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,000
are residents of Pointe-Claire.

3368
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:42,000
We go to the water side pretty

3369
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:43,000
much every day with our dogs,

3370
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:46,000
and by the way, our sons have

3371
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:48,000
spent 23 years in this

3372
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,000
incredible community. So, we

3373
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:52,000
know Pointe-Claire. Well we are

3374
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,000
not outsiders coming to do a

3375
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,000
flip. We have people from

3376
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,000
Pointe-Claire that looked at

3377
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:58,000
property, an interesting

3378
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:00,060
property, and it is not moving,

3379
02:01:00,060 --> 02:01:02,060
it is not moving. -- disaster.

3380
02:01:02,060 --> 02:01:04,060
All the discussion so far has

3381
02:01:04,060 --> 02:01:05,060
been about the guy in the

3382
02:01:05,060 --> 02:01:07,060
garage. If I can, I would like

3383
02:01:07,060 --> 02:01:09,060
to bring a bit more context.

3384
02:01:09,060 --> 02:01:11,060
Because, unfortunately, I

3385
02:01:11,060 --> 02:01:13,060
thought the people who came to

3386
02:01:13,060 --> 02:01:15,060
city hall saw more than what

3387
02:01:15,060 --> 02:01:16,060
they did see. I thought they saw

3388
02:01:16,060 --> 02:01:18,060
the whole set of plans we had

3389
02:01:18,060 --> 02:01:19,060
given for the urban Planning

3390
02:01:19,060 --> 02:01:20,060
Committee. I guess that's not

3391
02:01:20,060 --> 02:01:22,060
the case. And that's fine,

3392
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:23,060
whatever the proposal is, or

3393
02:01:23,060 --> 02:01:25,060
whatever the approach.. So, let

3394
02:01:25,060 --> 02:01:27,060
me describe a little bit what we

3395
02:01:27,060 --> 02:01:29,060
went through to get to this

3396
02:01:29,060 --> 02:01:31,060
point. We are also emotional, by

3397
02:01:31,060 --> 02:01:36,060
the way. --

3398
02:01:38,060 --> 02:01:42,060
>> I let you speak.

3399
02:01:42,060 --> 02:01:44,060
>> Before buying this house, we

3400
02:01:44,060 --> 02:01:46,060
did our homework. What's the

3401
02:01:46,060 --> 02:01:49,060
first thing we did? Checked

3402
02:01:49,060 --> 02:01:52,060
titles, checked -- checked to

3403
02:01:52,060 --> 02:01:54,060
see what can be done on this

3404
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:56,060
property. Because, obviously,

3405
02:01:56,060 --> 02:01:58,060
anybody that has seen it, you

3406
02:01:58,060 --> 02:02:00,020
know there is a major work to be

3407
02:02:00,020 --> 02:02:02,020
done on this house. And if you

3408
02:02:02,020 --> 02:02:03,020
haven't been inside then you

3409
02:02:03,020 --> 02:02:05,020
would really know that there is

3410
02:02:05,020 --> 02:02:07,020
major work to be done in this --

3411
02:02:07,020 --> 02:02:08,020
the status quo is not an option.

3412
02:02:08,020 --> 02:02:10,020
It's not an option. So, we

3413
02:02:10,020 --> 02:02:13,020
looked at the titles. Nowhere

3414
02:02:13,020 --> 02:02:17,020
did it say, in the --

3415
02:02:19,020 --> 02:02:20,020
On ne pouvait pas densifier le

3416
02:02:20,020 --> 02:02:22,020
terrain. -- nowhere didn't say

3417
02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:24,020
that. We actually, also -- my

3418
02:02:24,020 --> 02:02:26,020
wife went to city planning here,

3419
02:02:26,020 --> 02:02:28,020
and said, look, we are looking

3420
02:02:28,020 --> 02:02:31,020
at buying this property, can we

3421
02:02:31,020 --> 02:02:33,020
build a garage? And the answer

3422
02:02:33,020 --> 02:02:36,020
was, yes. One storey, two

3423
02:02:36,020 --> 02:02:37,020
storey. These different

3424
02:02:37,020 --> 02:02:39,020
conditions and criteria. There's

3425
02:02:39,020 --> 02:02:40,020
a process you would have to go

3426
02:02:40,020 --> 02:02:42,020
through. But there is no reason

3427
02:02:42,020 --> 02:02:45,020
why you can't. And, in fact, we

3428
02:02:45,020 --> 02:02:50,020
also studied the city code, UP3.

3429
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:52,020
And in the code, not only does

3430
02:02:52,020 --> 02:02:54,020
it not say you can't build a

3431
02:02:54,020 --> 02:02:55,020
garage -- and to answer some of

3432
02:02:55,020 --> 02:02:57,020
the questions before -- the

3433
02:02:57,020 --> 02:03:00,080
intentions are because it is

3434
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:02,080
should, and not must --

3435
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:06,080
C'est le conditionnel, devrait

3436
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:07,080
et n'ont pas droit. So, it's

3437
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:10,080
very different in the

3438
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:11,080
intentions, in how you and your

3439
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:13,080
colleagues must consider all the

3440
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:14,080
various factors, the same way we

3441
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,080
consider all the various

3442
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:19,080
factors. So, when you put

3443
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:21,080
through all of that, you say,

3444
02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:23,080
wow, we can actually do

3445
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:24,080
something very interesting on

3446
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:25,080
the property. And I will talk to

3447
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,080
you about what the mandate is

3448
02:03:27,080 --> 02:03:31,080
that we gave to our architect.

3449
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:33,080
So, once again, just to finish

3450
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:35,080
on that --

3451
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:39,080
It doesn't say you can't build a

3452
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:40,080
garage. It actually gives you a

3453
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:42,080
lot of indication as to what you

3454
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:44,080
should consider if you were to

3455
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:45,080
do something -- such as, and you

3456
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:46,080
mentioned some of the articles

3457
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:47,080
-- well, build in the back.

3458
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:48,080
Well, unfortunately there is

3459
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:51,080
something called

3460
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:53,080
We can't build. There we can't

3461
02:03:53,080 --> 02:03:55,080
build on the side. We can build

3462
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:56,080
on the other side. It can't be

3463
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:57,080
built. So, that's the only place

3464
02:03:57,080 --> 02:04:00,040
it could be built. So, let me

3465
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:02,040
address the

3466
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:06,040
-- of tonight. We could have

3467
02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:07,040
saved ourselves a lot of

3468
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:09,040
trouble, by the way, by just

3469
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:12,040
saying, okay, the portion that

3470
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:14,040
connects the house to the garage

3471
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:16,040
-- the City has told us it's got

3472
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:18,040
to be four metres. We want to

3473
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:21,040
keep all of this as small as

3474
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:25,040
possible to enhance what is

3475
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:26,040
available from the public views.

3476
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,040
And I will talk to you about a

3477
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:29,040
few of the things we are going

3478
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:31,040
to be doing. So, we would like

3479
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:33,040
to have that link? Four metres?

3480
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:36,040
The answer is yes. But we are

3481
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:38,040
trying to make this reasonable

3482
02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:39,040
with respect to the people

3483
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:41,040
around us, and what we are doing

3484
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:42,040
with the property. And I will

3485
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:43,040
tell you some of the other

3486
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:46,040
things are doing. And I see you

3487
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:47,040
-- please respect what I am

3488
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:50,040
saying. I respected you.

3489
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:52,040
>> --

3490
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:54,040
>> Ma'am, ma'am. Please, no --

3491
02:04:54,040 --> 02:04:56,040
no, ma'am.

3492
02:04:56,040 --> 02:05:01,000
>> -- listen -- I dressed me in

3493
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:08,000
a derogatory manner. Yes. --

3494
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:11,000
tell him to show some respect

3495
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:12,000
to.

3496
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:14,000
>> Ma'am, I'm trying to keep

3497
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,000
nous avons an even embauché avec

3498
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:16,000
la keel -- please cooperate.

3499
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,000
Recommandation de la ville. Vous

3500
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,000
êtes mieux d'avoir des plans

3501
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:22,000
bien étoffé. On s'est dit, qui

3502
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:23,000
n'est qu'un architecture locale.

3503
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:25,000
Nous avons rencontré madame

3504
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:27,000
Villeneuve. C'était automatique.

3505
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:28,000
Il fallait qu'elle croit en a

3506
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:32,000
trop roulé. Le mariage a été

3507
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:36,000
très bien. Quelques extraits du

3508
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:37,000
mandat que nous lui avons donné.

3509
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:39,000
Nous ne sommes pas des experts.

3510
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,000
And by the way. We have never

3511
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:42,000
spoken to the

3512
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:43,000
City since we bought the house.

3513
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:44,000
The architect has been working

3514
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,000
with the experts, not us. We

3515
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:48,000
haven't talked to any of you. We

3516
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,000
have let the process go as we

3517
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,000
were told to let it go. The

3518
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:54,000
first thing we told her is, we

3519
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:55,000
want a

3520
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,000
On veut garder l'immeuble est

3521
02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:00,060
existant dans la mesure du

3522
02:06:00,060 --> 02:06:01,060
possible, reconnaissant qu'il y

3523
02:06:01,060 --> 02:06:02,060
a des travaux majeurs à cet

3524
02:06:02,060 --> 02:06:04,060
immeuble et de structures. La

3525
02:06:04,060 --> 02:06:05,060
première chose qu'on veut faire

3526
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:07,060
est de tenter de le maintenir.

3527
02:06:07,060 --> 02:06:09,060
On veut ajouter engage, une

3528
02:06:09,060 --> 02:06:11,060
jonction qui s'élève sur un

3529
02:06:11,060 --> 02:06:12,060
niveau, pas de niveau, un

3530
02:06:12,060 --> 02:06:15,060
niveau. Tout en minimisant

3531
02:06:15,060 --> 02:06:16,060
l'impact visuel du domaine

3532
02:06:16,060 --> 02:06:20,060
public. Je vais venir voir, vous

3533
02:06:20,060 --> 02:06:21,060
allez voir comment est-ce qu'on

3534
02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:24,060
fait sur. Avoir des percées sur

3535
02:06:24,060 --> 02:06:27,060
le domaine publique, on fait des

3536
02:06:27,060 --> 02:06:28,060
choses, ce n'est pas nécessaire

3537
02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:29,060
de les faire pour accentuer les

3538
02:06:29,060 --> 02:06:33,060
lieux. S'assurer que le projet

3539
02:06:33,060 --> 02:06:34,060
tienne compte des lois,

3540
02:06:34,060 --> 02:06:36,060
règlements, intentions

3541
02:06:36,060 --> 02:06:37,060
municipales et provinciales,

3542
02:06:37,060 --> 02:06:39,060
tout ça a été fait.

3543
02:06:41,060 --> 02:06:44,060
Quelques chiffres.

3544
02:06:44,060 --> 02:06:45,060
And I don't want to get boring

3545
02:06:45,060 --> 02:06:46,060
on stats.

3546
02:06:46,060 --> 02:06:47,060
Qu'il y a des chiffres

3547
02:06:47,060 --> 02:06:49,060
importants, le tour

3548
02:06:49,060 --> 02:06:50,060
d' implantation et

3549
02:06:50,060 --> 02:06:51,060
le coefficient sur le sol. And I

3550
02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:52,060
won't get

3551
02:06:52,060 --> 02:06:53,060
Into the details. But these are

3552
02:06:53,060 --> 02:06:56,060
things that the experts look at

3553
02:06:56,060 --> 02:07:00,020
to see, can you build? And the

3554
02:07:00,020 --> 02:07:01,020
total implementation that we are

3555
02:07:01,020 --> 02:07:05,020
doing is 1688 square feet. We

3556
02:07:05,020 --> 02:07:10,020
are allowed to put 2300 square

3557
02:07:11,020 --> 02:07:13,020
2345 square feet --

3558
02:07:13,020 --> 02:07:15,020
Cardiff qui sont sur le sol, un

3559
02:07:15,020 --> 02:07:16,020
maximum de 6229 pieds carrés

3560
02:07:16,020 --> 02:07:21,020
permis. Nous proposons 4453

3561
02:07:22,020 --> 02:07:23,020
pieds carrés avec le projet

3562
02:07:23,020 --> 02:07:27,020
global. On optimise pas ce qu'on

3563
02:07:27,020 --> 02:07:28,020
pourrait, même la valeur de la

3564
02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:32,020
propriété. J'achève.

3565
02:07:32,020 --> 02:07:35,020
I don't have too much more. So,

3566
02:07:35,020 --> 02:07:37,020
what are the things that we are

3567
02:07:37,020 --> 02:07:40,020
doing? The junction between the

3568
02:07:40,020 --> 02:07:42,020
garage and the house is three

3569
02:07:42,020 --> 02:07:44,020
metres, not for. That means that

3570
02:07:44,020 --> 02:07:49,020
the garage is not sliding east.

3571
02:07:49,020 --> 02:07:51,020
If we are refused three feet

3572
02:07:51,020 --> 02:07:53,020
instead for, because it's a

3573
02:07:55,020 --> 02:07:56,020
Three metres instead of four,

3574
02:07:56,020 --> 02:07:58,020
then the garage would slide an

3575
02:07:58,020 --> 02:08:00,080
extra three feet -- by the way,

3576
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:03,080
the end of the garage -- we

3577
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:05,080
don't like to have a nice big

3578
02:08:05,080 --> 02:08:07,080
garage? The answer is yes. It's

3579
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:11,080
not a nice big garage. The

3580
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:15,080
garage and is 16 feet from the

3581
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:17,080
property line. The law requires

3582
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:20,080
a setback of two feet. So, in

3583
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:22,080
theory, we can have the garage

3584
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:23,080
another 14 feet towards the

3585
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:25,080
east. We are not doing. That

3586
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:27,080
that is our decision. The same

3587
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:28,080
thing -- it's in our decision

3588
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:31,080
not to build that link four

3589
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:33,080
metres as we should do. So, we

3590
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:34,080
are doing things in that

3591
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:36,080
respect, to minimize. For those

3592
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:37,080
that know the property, there

3593
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:40,080
are other things that would be

3594
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:42,080
done that help the views. As you

3595
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:44,080
look at the house on the west

3596
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:45,080
side, there is a driveway, there

3597
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:47,080
is -- a

3598
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:49,080
We are voluntarily removing that

3599
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:52,080
-- to clear an unobstructed view

3600
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:54,080
from the road.

3601
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:59,080
We are not optimizing the -- as

3602
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:01,040
I mentioned

3603
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:07,040
But now there is a brown fence,

3604
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,040
if you look at the property, on

3605
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,040
the west side of the property.

3606
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:12,040
That brown fence is, as I say,

3607
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:16,040
we will be removed, where the

3608
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:18,040
garage ends 16 feet

3609
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:19,040
approximately from the property

3610
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:20,040
line

3611
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:21,040
Ce serait une cour dure enfer

3612
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,040
Forget, vous pouvez voir à

3613
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:24,040
travers. Ce n'est pas toute la

3614
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:26,040
propriété qui est obstrué, 16

3615
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:28,040
pieds aura maintenant une

3616
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:30,040
clôture en faire forger,

3617
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:31,040
contrairement à la clôture

3618
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:34,040
opaque qui est là maintenant.

3619
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:36,040
Toute la végétation planté sera

3620
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:39,040
de la végétation basse, des

3621
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,040
fleurs, ce ne sera pas des

3622
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:43,040
arbres qui vont bloquer la vue.

3623
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:46,040
Tout est fait par le respect et

3624
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:48,040
les intentions articulées dans

3625
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:53,040
le Code. En conclusion, quoi que

3626
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:54,040
mon épouse aurait peut-être des

3627
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:56,040
points à ajouter que j'aurais dû

3628
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:57,040
dire, l'architecture du projet,

3629
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:59,040
on ne peut pas montrer les

3630
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:02,000
photos. On a tout fait, bravo

3631
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:03,000
mené pour le travail que tu as

3632
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:06,000
fait. On reconnaît l'importance

3633
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:07,000
du projet à l'

3634
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:08,000
entrée du village.

3635
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:10,000
We recognize the importance.

3636
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:11,000
It's a beautiful entrance of the

3637
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:14,000
village. So, that house right

3638
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:16,000
now, that is brick, falling

3639
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:17,000
apart brick, stone. There's all

3640
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:20,000
sorts of different things -- it

3641
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:22,000
is proposed to be -- the roof is

3642
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:25,000
like the old orchard. Dark metal

3643
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:28,000
roof for the garage and the

3644
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:30,000
house. The brick will be

3645
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:33,000
covered, in its entirety, with

3646
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:34,000
cedar shingle, a bit like many

3647
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:36,000
of the homes around, and as you

3648
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:39,000
enter the village -- three

3649
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:42,000
houses around. Light colour and

3650
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:44,000
--

3651
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:46,000
He says, whether a line of brick

3652
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:49,000
around it at the base.

3653
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:50,000
Les matériaux seront bien

3654
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:51,000
choisis. Also, right now --

3655
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:52,000
C'est un îlot de chaleur,

3656
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:55,000
maintenant. If you look at the

3657
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:56,000
house, there's a lot of

3658
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:57,000
pavement. All the pavement is

3659
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,000
going. It's going to be

3660
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:01,060
Ce sera remplacé par des pierres

3661
02:11:01,060 --> 02:11:03,060
à violer, qui favorise le

3662
02:11:03,060 --> 02:11:06,060
drainage, qui favorise moins

3663
02:11:06,060 --> 02:11:08,060
d'obtention de la chaleur. Ce

3664
02:11:08,060 --> 02:11:10,060
sera fait, des deux côtés, de

3665
02:11:10,060 --> 02:11:11,060
l'entrée du côté ouest ainsi que

3666
02:11:11,060 --> 02:11:15,060
de l'entrée au garage.

3667
02:11:15,060 --> 02:11:16,060
Dernièrement, lorsque les

3668
02:11:16,060 --> 02:11:18,060
travaux ont été faits sur cette

3669
02:11:18,060 --> 02:11:19,060
maison,

3670
02:11:19,060 --> 02:11:20,060
(---)

3671
02:11:20,060 --> 02:11:21,060
. And I don't know when

3672
02:11:21,060 --> 02:11:22,060
Some of the work was done, for

3673
02:11:22,060 --> 02:11:23,060
example, the pool.

3674
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:26,060
La bande riveraine. -- was not

3675
02:11:26,060 --> 02:11:27,060
something that was very

3676
02:11:27,060 --> 02:11:28,060
important in our lives. Whereas,

3677
02:11:28,060 --> 02:11:31,060
to date

3678
02:11:31,060 --> 02:11:33,060
And there's a lot of talk today

3679
02:11:33,060 --> 02:11:34,060
about climate change, et cetera.

3680
02:11:34,060 --> 02:11:35,060
We know how important the

3681
02:11:35,060 --> 02:11:38,060
shoreline is. Right now, there

3682
02:11:38,060 --> 02:11:40,060
is a 35 foot pool, eight feet

3683
02:11:40,060 --> 02:11:42,060
deep, that is in

3684
02:11:42,060 --> 02:11:46,060
We will be removing that pool

3685
02:11:46,060 --> 02:11:48,060
and reestablishing the

3686
02:11:48,060 --> 02:11:50,060
As it should be in its natural

3687
02:11:50,060 --> 02:11:53,060
state as well as the -- that is

3688
02:11:53,060 --> 02:11:55,060
also partially in the --

3689
02:11:55,060 --> 02:11:57,060
And these are things that were

3690
02:11:57,060 --> 02:11:58,060
not asked of us. These are

3691
02:11:58,060 --> 02:12:00,020
things we want to do. So, I

3692
02:12:00,020 --> 02:12:02,020
could carry on, of course, but I

3693
02:12:02,020 --> 02:12:06,020
won't. And -- you want to

3694
02:12:06,020 --> 02:12:07,020
emphasize.

3695
02:12:07,020 --> 02:12:10,020
>> Yeah, minor variance again,

3696
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:11,020
we've done, the intention was

3697
02:12:11,020 --> 02:12:13,020
done to -- maximize the views.

3698
02:12:17,020 --> 02:12:19,020
The --

3699
02:12:19,020 --> 02:12:22,020
-- with the -- gone. And even

3700
02:12:22,020 --> 02:12:25,020
with the garage -- the -- which

3701
02:12:25,020 --> 02:12:28,020
is an awning glass, again

3702
02:12:28,020 --> 02:12:30,020
It's important. It's important

3703
02:12:30,020 --> 02:12:32,020
to us. That was done with

3704
02:12:32,020 --> 02:12:35,020
intent. Also, preserving the

3705
02:12:35,020 --> 02:12:37,020
architecture of the four square

3706
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:39,020
house of Pointe-Claire, which is

3707
02:12:39,020 --> 02:12:41,020
beautiful. So, all that in mind,

3708
02:12:41,020 --> 02:12:42,020
we think our project is very

3709
02:12:42,020 --> 02:12:45,020
viable. You do have a municipal

3710
02:12:45,020 --> 02:12:47,020
park next to it. We are not

3711
02:12:47,020 --> 02:12:48,020
hiding views. If you are coming

3712
02:12:48,020 --> 02:12:50,020
in from the east going west, the

3713
02:12:50,020 --> 02:12:52,020
garage is not big, it's not two

3714
02:12:52,020 --> 02:12:54,020
storey. It blends into, which is

3715
02:12:54,020 --> 02:12:56,020
not -- views at all. Thank you

3716
02:12:56,020 --> 02:12:58,020
for your consideration.

3717
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:05,080
Il y a des millions de gens qui

3718
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:10,080
nous écoutent à la télévision.

3719
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:12,080
- Je vais m'exprimer en

3720
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:14,080
français. Je suis plus

3721
02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:16,080
confortable en français. C'était

3722
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:21,080
super bien écrit. Comme

3723
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:24,080
architecte, je considère qu'on a

3724
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:25,080
fait un travail de qualité.

3725
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:30,080
C'est l'objectif. Oui, les liens

3726
02:13:31,080 --> 02:13:33,080
visuels, on a fait des efforts

3727
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:35,080
pour les préserver. Ça se

3728
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:38,080
traduit par la jonction qui a 3

3729
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:39,080
mètres au lieu de quatre. Elle

3730
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:42,080
est transparente. Ça n'a pas été

3731
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:43,080
mentionné, je voulais ajouter

3732
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:48,080
ça.

3733
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:51,080
>> Just a minute. This is

3734
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:53,080
Not a forum for debate. It is a

3735
02:13:53,080 --> 02:13:56,080
form for adding information for

3736
02:13:56,080 --> 02:13:57,080
Council to be able to reflect

3737
02:13:57,080 --> 02:14:00,040
upon. I expect the review, since

3738
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:02,040
you have already had a chance,

3739
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:05,040
may be one of the debates. -- we

3740
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:08,040
have also addressed this for an

3741
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,040
adequate amount of time. But two

3742
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:11,040
minutes each. No more. Okay?

3743
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:12,040
- Merci pour votre

3744
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:14,040
considération.

3745
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:19,040
>> All I wanted to say was that

3746
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:20,040
-- oh, God, I forgot what I was

3747
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:22,040
going to say.

3748
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:23,040
>> Get back in line. You can

3749
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:26,040
come back later.

3750
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:27,040
[Laughter]

3751
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:29,040
>> Pierre mentioned we were

3752
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:30,040
talking about -- I have a copy

3753
02:14:30,040 --> 02:14:34,040
of the village code here. And we

3754
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:36,040
were talking about some of the

3755
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:40,040
points being subjective. And he

3756
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:43,040
used should rather than will.

3757
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:48,040
But I've gone through the code

3758
02:14:48,040 --> 02:14:51,040
here. And I don't see anything

3759
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:55,040
that is registered under should.

3760
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:56,040
They are all valid points that

3761
02:14:56,040 --> 02:14:58,040
have been put up here. And the

3762
02:14:58,040 --> 02:15:00,000
ones that have been read to you

3763
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,000
through the petition as well.

3764
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:05,000
So, I think, as far as being

3765
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:07,000
subjective -- concern -- that is

3766
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:09,000
-- what he had mentioned about

3767
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:13,000
should and will. Those are two

3768
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:14,000
different things.

3769
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:15,000
>> --

3770
02:15:15,000 --> 02:15:17,000
>> It's in the code right here,

3771
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:19,000
sir.

3772
02:15:19,000 --> 02:15:20,000
>> It's okay.

3773
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:21,000
>> --

3774
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:24,000
>> Sir, we have all read the

3775
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:25,000
code, and have reviewed. The --

3776
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:27,000
>> I just want to clarify the

3777
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:29,000
point that that is not the case.

3778
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:31,000
Okay? I don't want the wool

3779
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:33,000
being pulled over our eyes here.

3780
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:35,000
>> I understand.

3781
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:40,000
>> I just wanted to sincerely

3782
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,000
apologize if I spoke out of turn

3783
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:46,000
when others were speaking. I am

3784
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:51,000
as close to begging as I have,

3785
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:52,000
perhaps, I've ever been in my

3786
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:54,000
life, that everyone really

3787
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:56,000
consider what is best for the

3788
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,000
majority of the people, that

3789
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:03,060
they respect the village code.

3790
02:16:04,060 --> 02:16:05,060
Please put your differences

3791
02:16:05,060 --> 02:16:09,060
aside, whatever they may be, and

3792
02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:10,060
ask yourself, what is the value

3793
02:16:10,060 --> 02:16:12,060
add to the community if you

3794
02:16:12,060 --> 02:16:14,060
approve this project? Thank you.

3795
02:16:16,060 --> 02:16:17,060
>> Thank you.

3796
02:16:17,060 --> 02:16:18,060
>> I was just going to say.

3797
02:16:18,060 --> 02:16:20,060
There seems to be a theme for

3798
02:16:20,060 --> 02:16:22,060
the night about building or not

3799
02:16:22,060 --> 02:16:24,060
building. And it's just that --

3800
02:16:24,060 --> 02:16:26,060
if maybe there is no codes being

3801
02:16:26,060 --> 02:16:27,060
broken or anything like that,

3802
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:28,060
but just because there is no

3803
02:16:28,060 --> 02:16:30,060
codes being broken does not mean

3804
02:16:30,060 --> 02:16:32,060
that you have to build. You

3805
02:16:32,060 --> 02:16:33,060
don't have to take away the

3806
02:16:33,060 --> 02:16:35,060
beauty of Pointe-Claire by

3807
02:16:35,060 --> 02:16:37,060
building fences or building

3808
02:16:37,060 --> 02:16:39,060
garages. Like, it's up to you.

3809
02:16:39,060 --> 02:16:42,060
You are going to decide whether

3810
02:16:42,060 --> 02:16:43,060
you want to preserve

3811
02:16:43,060 --> 02:16:44,060
Pointe-Claire the way that it

3812
02:16:44,060 --> 02:16:47,060
is. Just because no codes are

3813
02:16:47,060 --> 02:16:48,060
being broken doesn't mean that

3814
02:16:48,060 --> 02:16:50,060
you have to go with it. --

3815
02:16:50,060 --> 02:16:53,060
>> Thank you.

3816
02:16:53,060 --> 02:16:54,060
>> I would also like to say,

3817
02:16:54,060 --> 02:16:55,060
thank you, I appreciate all the

3818
02:16:55,060 --> 02:16:58,060
effort that you put forth to

3819
02:16:58,060 --> 02:17:02,020
make a nice build, et cetera. I

3820
02:17:02,020 --> 02:17:03,020
am -- and certainly that is your

3821
02:17:03,020 --> 02:17:05,020
right, and I appreciate you

3822
02:17:05,020 --> 02:17:07,020
taking that time. But it does

3823
02:17:07,020 --> 02:17:12,020
not change the fact that it will

3824
02:17:12,020 --> 02:17:13,020
absolutely change the views. And

3825
02:17:13,020 --> 02:17:15,020
it is not my view. My view is

3826
02:17:15,020 --> 02:17:18,020
not hampered from my house. But

3827
02:17:18,020 --> 02:17:21,020
what will happen is that

3828
02:17:21,020 --> 02:17:23,020
everybody -- like I said, it's

3829
02:17:23,020 --> 02:17:25,020
the creek. And this is the start

3830
02:17:25,020 --> 02:17:27,020
of Pointe-Claire, from

3831
02:17:27,020 --> 02:17:28,020
Beaconsfield. So, is it going to

3832
02:17:28,020 --> 02:17:30,020
start from there? And is it

3833
02:17:30,020 --> 02:17:32,020
going to continue? So, more

3834
02:17:32,020 --> 02:17:34,020
garages because it is in by law,

3835
02:17:34,020 --> 02:17:36,020
and then there is a subjective

3836
02:17:36,020 --> 02:17:37,020
code -- that is actually the

3837
02:17:37,020 --> 02:17:39,020
first time that I have

3838
02:17:39,020 --> 02:17:41,020
understood that there is some

3839
02:17:41,020 --> 02:17:42,020
subjective and objective parts

3840
02:17:42,020 --> 02:17:44,020
of the code. Because it is not

3841
02:17:44,020 --> 02:17:46,020
very well defined. So, if you

3842
02:17:46,020 --> 02:17:48,020
were looking at that, you would

3843
02:17:48,020 --> 02:17:49,020
be reading it, and then you

3844
02:17:49,020 --> 02:17:51,020
would say, this actually

3845
02:17:51,020 --> 02:17:56,020
violates the code. But now there

3846
02:17:57,020 --> 02:17:58,020
are subjective parts of the

3847
02:17:58,020 --> 02:17:59,020
code. And black and white parts

3848
02:17:59,020 --> 02:18:02,080
of the code. And I don't see

3849
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:03,080
that in the preamble. And I

3850
02:18:03,080 --> 02:18:05,080
don't see that anywhere else.

3851
02:18:05,080 --> 02:18:07,080
So, I am wondering how those

3852
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:09,080
terms are applied and who

3853
02:18:09,080 --> 02:18:13,080
applies them.

3854
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:14,080
>> Those are applied by the

3855
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:16,080
members of Council and that will

3856
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:18,080
inform their vote. That is all I

3857
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:20,080
can say. You can't -- you can

3858
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:23,080
talk to any councillor and ask

3859
02:18:23,080 --> 02:18:25,080
him for a full explanation -- if

3860
02:18:25,080 --> 02:18:27,080
you want to, that is your right.

3861
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:29,080
But thank you.

3862
02:18:29,080 --> 02:18:31,080
>> I am not sure that is an

3863
02:18:31,080 --> 02:18:32,080
answer.

3864
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:35,080
>> It's the best I can do. Now,

3865
02:18:35,080 --> 02:18:36,080
I'm going to close the

3866
02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:38,080
discussion on 17.2. Before we go

3867
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:43,080
to vote, is the -- yes?

3868
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:50,080
>> Okay. I will do my best to --

3869
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:55,080
Premièrement, j'aimerais que ça

3870
02:18:55,080 --> 02:18:59,080
soit clair. On the

3871
02:18:59,080 --> 02:19:02,040
15th, madame --

3872
02:19:02,040 --> 02:19:05,040
I learned of that project on the

3873
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:10,040
20th. First, I -- for your

3874
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:13,040
writing. There was something

3875
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:16,040
suspect. I mean, I would have to

3876
02:19:16,040 --> 02:19:19,040
be stupid not to notice that. I

3877
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:24,040
found out on the 20th. I met

3878
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:29,040
with you and -- and madame

3879
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:34,040
Clark, I met with you on the

3880
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:36,040
21st, in the morning, and then

3881
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:41,040
on the 22nd with the mayor

3882
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:43,040
Thomas, and all that. I just

3883
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:48,040
want to clear -- that is the

3884
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:51,040
facts. For me, I don't want any

3885
02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:55,040
in the windows that I knew for

3886
02:19:56,040 --> 02:19:58,040
the last month before --

3887
02:19:58,040 --> 02:20:01,000
anything like that. I -- the

3888
02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:04,000
20th is a Tuesday. It was

3889
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:07,000
presented to Council that

3890
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:12,000
evening. Okay. So, I have taken

3891
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:16,000
care of that. Again, if you

3892
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:19,000
remember our conversations, it

3893
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:24,000
is within the regulations. I

3894
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:28,000
can't insist more than that. It

3895
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:31,000
is -- if it wasn't within the

3896
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:34,000
regulations, I would have been

3897
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:36,000
the first one to say, hold on

3898
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:40,000
here. I did not influence any

3899
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:43,000
councillors. I did not talk to

3900
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:46,000
them about this project on the

3901
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:48,000
phone or whatever in private,

3902
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:51,000
like that, except when

3903
02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:54,000
Councillor called me twice. We

3904
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,000
talked extensively about it. And

3905
02:20:56,000 --> 02:21:00,060
the thing I said -- I said it

3906
02:21:00,060 --> 02:21:04,060
again. This evening in caucus --

3907
02:21:04,060 --> 02:21:08,060
vote within your conscience. So,

3908
02:21:08,060 --> 02:21:12,060
that is the statement I have.

3909
02:21:12,060 --> 02:21:15,060
And also, for the creeping up,

3910
02:21:15,060 --> 02:21:17,060
the

3911
02:21:19,060 --> 02:21:22,060
That is right next to it. That

3912
02:21:22,060 --> 02:21:24,060
is specific in the village code.

3913
02:21:24,060 --> 02:21:28,060
It -- be built. Because it is a

3914
02:21:28,060 --> 02:21:31,060
public space. So it is

3915
02:21:31,060 --> 02:21:32,060
protected.

3916
02:21:32,060 --> 02:21:34,060
>> --

3917
02:21:35,060 --> 02:21:36,060
>> --

3918
02:21:36,060 --> 02:21:38,060
>> Yeah, yeah.

3919
02:21:38,060 --> 02:21:42,060
>> You understand -- protected

3920
02:21:42,060 --> 02:21:44,060
-- but it's just all --

3921
02:21:44,060 --> 02:21:45,060
>> --

3922
02:21:45,060 --> 02:21:47,060
>> Of the homes --

3923
02:21:47,060 --> 02:21:49,060
>> Ma'am -- ma'am, your point

3924
02:21:49,060 --> 02:21:53,060
was well made about your fear of

3925
02:21:53,060 --> 02:21:54,060
--

3926
02:21:54,060 --> 02:21:55,060
>> No, no --

3927
02:21:55,060 --> 02:21:57,060
>> You were speaking --

3928
02:21:57,060 --> 02:21:58,060
everybody wish to address

3929
02:21:58,060 --> 02:22:02,020
Council, now Councillor

3930
02:22:02,020 --> 02:22:06,020
Cousineau's is --

3931
02:22:06,020 --> 02:22:08,020
>> I just want to address the

3932
02:22:08,020 --> 02:22:10,020
difference with a subjective

3933
02:22:10,020 --> 02:22:11,020
public regulation. That's all I

3934
02:22:11,020 --> 02:22:13,020
want to make. I'm not pushing

3935
02:22:13,020 --> 02:22:18,020
back. You are very right that it

3936
02:22:18,020 --> 02:22:20,020
could spread. It could spread.

3937
02:22:20,020 --> 02:22:22,020
But I am sure that we are going

3938
02:22:22,020 --> 02:22:24,020
to be looking at that in the

3939
02:22:24,020 --> 02:22:28,020
future. But now, these are the

3940
02:22:28,020 --> 02:22:29,020
regulations right now. Thank

3941
02:22:29,020 --> 02:22:32,020
you.

3942
02:22:32,020 --> 02:22:36,020
>> I don't know -- no, sir. Now,

3943
02:22:36,020 --> 02:22:37,020
this matter is closed for

3944
02:22:37,020 --> 02:22:40,020
discussion. We are going to --

3945
02:22:40,020 --> 02:22:41,020
before voting, we are going to

3946
02:22:41,020 --> 02:22:43,020
allow anybody who wants to

3947
02:22:43,020 --> 02:22:44,020
address 17.3

3948
02:22:44,020 --> 02:22:45,020
Est-ce que quelqu'un veut

3949
02:22:45,020 --> 02:22:47,020
s'adresser au Conseil concernant

3950
02:22:47,020 --> 02:22:51,020
17,3? Commissioner -- this

3951
02:22:51,020 --> 02:22:53,020
manner.

3952
02:22:57,020 --> 02:22:58,020
- 17.3 Considérer une demande

3953
02:22:58,020 --> 02:22:59,020
d'usage conditionnel concernant

3954
02:22:59,020 --> 02:23:01,080
la propriété sise au 10, avenue

3955
02:23:01,080 --> 02:23:03,080
Manor. c'est pour permettre des

3956
02:23:03,080 --> 02:23:04,080
services personnels, des

3957
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:05,080
activités artisanales en tant

3958
02:23:05,080 --> 02:23:06,080
qu'usage additionnel dans une

3959
02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:08,080
habitation unifamiliale

3960
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:10,080
détachée, la fabrication et la

3961
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:12,080
vente de couteau artisanaux, de

3962
02:23:12,080 --> 02:23:14,080
planche à découper, un service

3963
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:15,080
d'aiguisage, des ateliers

3964
02:23:15,080 --> 02:23:20,080
d'aiguisage de couteau.

3965
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:22,080
>> Does anybody wish to address

3966
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:23,080
the

3967
02:23:23,080 --> 02:23:25,080
Council on the --

3968
02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:31,080
>> It's a conditional use that

3969
02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:33,080
-- that's a residential

3970
02:23:33,080 --> 02:23:35,080
neighbourhood. The request is --

3971
02:23:35,080 --> 02:23:37,080
no shopping operation in the

3972
02:23:37,080 --> 02:23:38,080
garage. That is --

3973
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:41,080
>> --

3974
02:23:41,080 --> 02:23:45,080
>> That knife sharpening craft.

3975
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:49,080
-- knife sharpening. It is not a

3976
02:23:49,080 --> 02:23:52,080
major industrial activity.

3977
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:54,080
Residential -- to allow that buy

3978
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:57,080
-- in the garage. So, if there

3979
02:23:57,080 --> 02:23:59,080
is nobody that wishes to address

3980
02:23:59,080 --> 02:24:01,040
Council on that issue, then we

3981
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:05,040
will have a mover for item 17.2

3982
02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:07,040
and 17.3. Well, actually, we

3983
02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:10,040
will vote separately. -- mover

3984
02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:14,040
on 17.2?

3985
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:18,040
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3986
02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:23,040
>> And a seconder for --

3987
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:25,040
>> -- all in favour -- and

3988
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:27,040
before we vote, if anyone in

3989
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:28,040
Council wants to address the

3990
02:24:28,040 --> 02:24:30,040
motion before the floor, now is

3991
02:24:30,040 --> 02:24:31,040
the time. Anybody wish to

3992
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:36,040
address? All in favour? 17.2.

3993
02:24:36,040 --> 02:24:41,040
All opposed? So, carried,

3994
02:24:42,040 --> 02:24:46,040
majoritarily -- do I have a

3995
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:49,040
mover for 17.3?

3996
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:51,040
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3997
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:54,040
>> -- district to.

3998
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:56,040
>> In favour? Opposed? Carried.

3999
02:24:56,040 --> 02:24:58,040
(---)

4000
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:03,000
>> 17.4, consider the slight

4001
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:04,000
site planning and -- with

4002
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:06,000
respect to the property situated

4003
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:09,000
at 214 Bord-du-Lac-Lakeshore.

4004
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:11,000
- This is 17.5 Considérer les

4005
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:12,000
plans d'implantation et for --

4006
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:13,000
D'intégration architecturale

4007
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:14,000
relatifs à la propriété sise au

4008
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:16,000
360, chemin du

4009
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,000
Bord-du-Lac-Lakeshore.

4010
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:20,000
On parle d'une nouvelle

4011
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:24,000
construction.

4012
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:26,000
>> Excuse me,

4013
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:28,000
People. Quiet.

4014
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:29,000
>> 17.6, consider the site

4015
02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:30,000
planning and architectural

4016
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:31,000
integration programme plans with

4017
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:32,000
respect to the property situated

4018
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:33,000
at 39 De La Pointe-Claire

4019
02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:37,000
Avenue. This is for a new

4020
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:38,000
construction.

4021
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:42,000
>> Do I have a mover for item 17

4022
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:45,000
point 44 item 17 point? Six

4023
02:25:45,000 --> 02:25:46,000
>> Eric Stork --

4024
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:47,000
-

4025
02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:48,000
>> --

4026
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:49,000
>> -- all in favour?

4027
02:25:49,000 --> 02:25:50,000
Monsieur Tremblay, je comprends

4028
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:51,000
que vous votez

4029
02:25:51,000 --> 02:25:52,000
>> Contre...

4030
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:55,000
- All opposed? For item 17,4.

4031
02:25:55,000 --> 02:25:57,000
17.4 -- you are opposed?

4032
02:25:57,000 --> 02:26:00,060
>> --

4033
02:26:00,060 --> 02:26:02,060
>> 17.4, you are for?

4034
02:26:02,060 --> 02:26:07,060
>> --

4035
02:26:08,060 --> 02:26:09,060
>>

4036
02:26:09,060 --> 02:26:11,060
17.6, a for.

4037
02:26:11,060 --> 02:26:12,060
17.7 Considérer les plans

4038
02:26:12,060 --> 02:26:13,060
d'implantation et d'intégration

4039
02:26:13,060 --> 02:26:14,060
architecturale relatifs à la

4040
02:26:14,060 --> 02:26:15,060
propriété sise au 107, avenue de

4041
02:26:15,060 --> 02:26:19,060
la Pointe-Claire. on parle d'une

4042
02:26:19,060 --> 02:26:20,060
extension, rénovations

4043
02:26:20,060 --> 02:26:22,060
extérieures.

4044
02:26:22,060 --> 02:26:23,060
17.8 Consider the site planning

4045
02:26:23,060 --> 02:26:24,060
and architectural integration

4046
02:26:24,060 --> 02:26:26,060
programme plans with respect to

4047
02:26:26,060 --> 02:26:27,060
the property situated at 133 De

4048
02:26:27,060 --> 02:26:30,060
Windward Crescent Avenue. This

4049
02:26:30,060 --> 02:26:32,060
is for an extension and

4050
02:26:32,060 --> 02:26:33,060
- Exterior renovation.

4051
02:26:33,060 --> 02:26:34,060
17.9 Modifier la résolution

4052
02:26:34,060 --> 02:26:35,060
2023-212 afin de retirer trois

4053
02:26:35,060 --> 02:26:36,060
conditions applicables au PIIA

4054
02:26:36,060 --> 02:26:37,060
autorisés au 153, avenue de

4055
02:26:37,060 --> 02:26:42,060
Windward Crescent.

4056
02:26:45,060 --> 02:26:46,060
le but de la modification avait

4057
02:26:46,060 --> 02:26:48,060
retiré les trois qu'on dit si on

4058
02:26:48,060 --> 02:26:49,060
concernant

4059
02:26:49,060 --> 02:26:50,060
(inaudible)

4060
02:26:50,060 --> 02:26:51,060
au-dessus de la porte d'entrée,

4061
02:26:51,060 --> 02:26:52,060
les places, la cohorte

4062
02:26:52,060 --> 02:26:53,060
(---)

4063
02:26:53,060 --> 02:26:54,060
.

4064
02:26:54,060 --> 02:26:55,060
(inaudible)

4065
02:26:55,060 --> 02:26:56,060
. 17.10, amend resolution

4066
02:26:56,060 --> 02:27:01,020
2023-212 in order to remove --

4067
02:27:01,020 --> 02:27:02,020
lakeshore road from the

4068
02:27:02,020 --> 02:27:06,020
authorized SPAIP. the purpose of

4069
02:27:06,020 --> 02:27:07,020
this modification is to remove

4070
02:27:07,020 --> 02:27:08,020
the line referring to the

4071
02:27:08,020 --> 02:27:11,020
approval of plans for 214

4072
02:27:11,020 --> 02:27:12,020
Bord-du-LacLakeshore Road

4073
02:27:12,020 --> 02:27:14,020
concerning an extension and

4074
02:27:14,020 --> 02:27:16,020
exterior renovations with the

4075
02:27:16,020 --> 02:27:18,020
8000 dollar deposit.

4076
02:27:18,020 --> 02:27:22,020
>> Do I have a mover for item

4077
02:27:22,020 --> 02:27:24,020
17.7 through 17.10?

4078
02:27:24,020 --> 02:27:29,020
>> I approved too -- Cynthia

4079
02:27:33,020 --> 02:27:34,020
Homan

4080
02:27:34,020 --> 02:27:35,020
- District --

4081
02:27:35,020 --> 02:27:36,020
>> --

4082
02:27:36,020 --> 02:27:37,020
>> Carried.

4083
02:27:37,020 --> 02:27:38,020
18.1 Autoriser la réalisation

4084
02:27:38,020 --> 02:27:39,020
d'une oeuvre-d'art public situé

4085
02:27:39,020 --> 02:27:41,020
dans le parc Seigniory. un

4086
02:27:41,020 --> 02:27:43,020
projet de Michal qui fait partie

4087
02:27:43,020 --> 02:27:44,020
des actions visant à accroître

4088
02:27:44,020 --> 02:27:45,020
la qualité de vie des résidents

4089
02:27:45,020 --> 02:27:46,020
du secteur, ainsi que la

4090
02:27:46,020 --> 02:27:48,020
visibilité, le rayonnement des

4091
02:27:48,020 --> 02:27:50,020
arts, de la culture sur le

4092
02:27:50,020 --> 02:27:51,020
territoire de la Ville de

4093
02:27:51,020 --> 02:27:52,020
Pointe-Claire, leur ancrage dans

4094
02:27:52,020 --> 02:27:53,020
la communauté par l'organisation

4095
02:27:53,020 --> 02:27:54,020
de projets de médiation

4096
02:27:54,020 --> 02:27:57,020
culturels.

4097
02:27:57,020 --> 02:28:00,080
>> Do I have a mover for items

4098
02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:01,080
18.1?

4099
02:28:01,080 --> 02:28:02,080
>> Eric Stork,

4100
02:28:02,080 --> 02:28:04,080
District one.

4101
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:05,080
>> Seconder?

4102
02:28:05,080 --> 02:28:06,080
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

4103
02:28:06,080 --> 02:28:07,080
district three.

4104
02:28:07,080 --> 02:28:09,080
>> -- carried. Before closing, I

4105
02:28:09,080 --> 02:28:10,080
would like to thank you all for

4106
02:28:10,080 --> 02:28:11,080
coming tonight, and I thank you

4107
02:28:11,080 --> 02:28:14,080
all for your decorum. It was a

4108
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:17,080
difficult subject. So we will --

4109
02:28:17,080 --> 02:28:18,080
handle yourself very well. Thank

4110
02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:20,080
you. Do I have a mover

4111
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:21,080
foreclosure?

4112
02:28:21,080 --> 02:28:24,080
>> Yes, I propose to move the

4113
02:28:24,080 --> 02:28:26,080
meeting -- district six. To

4114
02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:27,080
close the meeting.

4115
02:28:27,080 --> 02:28:29,080
>> Seconder?

4116
02:28:29,080 --> 02:28:30,080
>> -- district to.

4117
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:32,080
>> All in favour?

4118
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:33,080
>> Good night, everybody, and

4119
02:28:33,080 --> 02:28:35,080
thank you.