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- Bonjour. Salut, tout le monde.

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Séance du conseil du 5 septembre

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2023. Le club de canoë-kayak.

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sont surpassés aux championnats

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provinciaux de canoë-kayak de

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vitesse 2023. Tous les athlètes

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éligibles pour concourir aux

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épreuves nautiques. Chaque

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d'âge et pouvait participer à

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des courses en simple, double ou

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distances, et ce, en canoë ou en

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kayak. La course était serrée

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mais notre Club a remporté la

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compétition avec un total de

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1059 points, une avance de

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seulement 2 points sur leurs

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rivaux. Félicitations à tous nos

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athletes!

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(applaudissements)

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Pointe-Claire athletes it's all

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that the 2023 canoe kayak sprint

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championships. All Pointe-Claire

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athletes were eligible to

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events. Each athlete was caused

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quadruple races at different

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distances in canoe or kayak. The

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race for first place was close

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until the very end, but our team

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with a total of 1059 points,

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which was only a two point lead

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of their nautical rivals.

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C'est entre culturel Stewart à

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l'. Nous avons été attristés

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d'apprendre qu'un petit incendie

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s'est déclaré au deuxième étage

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du Centre culturel Stewart Hall

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cette fin de semaine. Les

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investigations sont toujours en

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cours afin de connaître la

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source de l'incendie. Bien que

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les dommages soient localisés,

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les travaux de nettoyage et de

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réparations sont déjà en cours.

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utilisateur n'a été incommodé de

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la situation. Nous remercions

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toutes les équipes ainsi que les

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pompiers qui ont agi rapidement

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pour contenir la situation. We

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were saddened -- by small fire

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this weekend, or weekend past.

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source of the fire are still

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and all teams who acted quickly

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du mois d'octobre. Nous invitons

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sa population à des activités de

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participation citoyenne sur

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d'aller chercher l'opinion d'un

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plus grand nombre de personnes,

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la Ville propose une activité de

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participation en ligne sous la

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forme d'un sondage. Le plan

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indispensable pour une ville,

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puisqu'il établit les lignes

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directrices de son développement

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pour les années à venir. Il

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définit les bases d'une nouvelle

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règlementation et guide le plan

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d'action. Alors, si vous n'avez

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pas participé à l'activité qui

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se déroulait cet été au Centre

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merci de participer en ligne.

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in an online activity via the

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importance of mobility. Over the

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Pointe-Claire ice held several

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population, the city is offering

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planning program is essential

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for this city, as it sets

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standards and guidelines for its

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bylaws and guides the action

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plan. So, if you didn't

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participate in the activity that

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open on line until September

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29th at four PM.

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perfectly well. But an English,

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the owners of the platform and

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hopefully that certificate will

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exposition à la galerie d'art

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Stewart Hall. Ce sera une

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exposition très intéressante et

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construction. Son installation

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occupera tout l'espace de

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l'exposition. Nous vous invitons

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Pointe-Claire tiendra sa journée

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d'entraide communautaire. C'est

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rencontrer les services

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la ville et des environs seront

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que nous sommes très fiers

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d'accueillir au village

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Pointe-Claire. J'espère que vous

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space and we invite you to check

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awareness day. It's a day for

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students to meet the helping

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hands in our community. Several

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different styles of music. It is

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l'année dernière. À la fin de

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profit de la résidence, qui se

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prochain au parc Valois. Vous

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fonds en allant sur sa page. Je

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pour lui offrir nos sincères

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sympathies et lui souhaiter la

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the aquatic center who is very

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Margaret Maraq. She has been

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Margaret we'll be taking place

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fundraising efforts by visiting

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that of Council -- I don't know

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her sincere condolences and

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wishing her the best of luck

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any of you who can run, come on

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Je pense que c'est tout. Madame

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- Alors, 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre

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du jour avec le retrait du The

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point withdrawal of 17.12.

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>> Do I have a mover?

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>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

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>> And a seconder?

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>> Eric Stork, district seven.

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>> All in favour?

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>> 3.1, to approve the regular

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minutes of the meeting of August

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8th, 2023.

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>> Do I have a mover?

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>> Seconder?

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>> Eric Stork, district seven.

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>> All in favour?

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- Maintenant, 5.1...

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- Vous avez quelque chose à

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dire? For question period?

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- Bonsoir à tous. Je vous

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remercie d'être présents ce soir

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pour la séance du conseil.

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L'exercice démocratique

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essentielle pour le

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fonctionnement de notre ville.

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Afin de nous assurer que tous

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les participants favorisent un

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milieu d'échanges respectueux,

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j'aimerais rappeler quelques

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règles de fonctionnement

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entourant la période de

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questions. Les personnes

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souhaitant soumettre une

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question auront préalablement

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inscrit leur nom à l'entrée.

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C'est le maire qui veille au bon

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déroulement de la période de

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questions. Toute question est

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adressée au maire qui répond au

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nom du conseil, il peut ensuite

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inviter les autres conseillers à

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répondre. À votre tour, votre...

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avant de prendre la parole. Vous

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avez droit de poser une première

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question avec un court préambule

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ainsi qu'une seconde question

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sans préambule. Toute question

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doit être formulé de façon

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respectueuse, ne pas faire usage

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d'un langage violent ou

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blessant, est irrecevable toutes

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questions avec une hypothèse,

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une déduction, des propos

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injurieux, une insinuation une

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attaque personnelle ou portant

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sur une affaire devant les

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tribunaux. Les questions doivent

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porter sur un sujet relevant des

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attributions de la ville. Pour

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assurer le bon déroulement et

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permettre au maximum de citoyens

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de prendre la parole, le maire

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peut limiter ou retirer le droit

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de parole à toute personne qui

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ne respectent pas les règlements

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qui régissent la période de

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questions. Je vous rappelle que

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la valeur du respect et une des

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quatre valeurs de la Ville de

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Pointe-Claire. Le respect mutuel

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et à la base de toute relation

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entre individus. Tous doivent

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contribuer à la période de

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questions, son climat positif.

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Sur ce, je vous souhaite une

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bonne soirée.

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>> Good evening, everyone. Thank

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you for being present for this

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evening's council meeting. The

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democratic exercise that is

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essential to the running of our

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city. To ensure that all

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participants help foster and --

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I would like to remind you of a

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few operating rules surrounding

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the question period. Those

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wishing to submit a question

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will have to register their name

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at the entrance beforehand. It's

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the mayor who insures question

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period is run smoothly. Oh

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questions will be addressed to

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the Mayor. We will then --

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however, he may invite other

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council members to respond if

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required. When it is your turn

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to speak, the mayor will invite

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you to the microphone, we are

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you will give your name before

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asking a question. You have the

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right to ask a first question

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with a short preamble and the

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second question without a

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preamble. Oh questions should be

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phrased respectfully and shall

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not include any violent or

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hurtful language -- language and

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-- personal attack -- before the

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court will not be permitted

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during this activity. All

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questions must relate to the

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subjects falling within the

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functionality of the city. To

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ensure that the process runs

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smoothly, and to allow as many

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citizens as possible to speak,

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the mayor may limit the white

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right -- question period. I

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remind you that respect is one

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of the -- value of the city of

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Pointe-Claire. Mutual respect is

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the -- everyone must contribute

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to the positive atmosphere of

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the meeting in question period.

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With that being said, I wish you

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all a wonderful meeting.

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- Nous garderons 90 minutes pour

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la période des. Une personne à

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la fois au micro. Nous vous

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remercions d'attendre qu'un

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citoyen ait terminé de poser sa

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question et que vous soyez

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appelé avant de vous lever pour

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venir poser votre question. Les

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non-résidents présents pourront

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poser leurs questions par la

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suite, si le temps n'est pas

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écouler. We shall stick to the

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19 minutes timeline for question

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period. One person at a time at

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the microphone. I thank you for

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waiting for a citizen to ask

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their question and before you

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get up to ask yours. -- last

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questions afterwards if there is

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still time. So, the first

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question will be mark

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Sandilowski.

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>> Yes, hello. Good evening. --

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and my neighbours. I've been a

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resident of Pointe-Claire for

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about 38 years, actually a three

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time zone owner homeowner in

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Pointe-Claire. My wife taught

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elementary school in

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Pointe-Claire for 20 years. And

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we raised our family here. I'm

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also a member of the council --

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Greenwich. No that's a bad word

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around here sometimes. Together,

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with my colleagues I -- 27 year

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homeowner in Pointe-Claire, and

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Randy Wightman, a 30-year

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homeowner here in Pointe-Claire,

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along with several of our --

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Cartier Greenwich, built by --

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36 storey condo buildings and

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138 town houses with some 600

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taxpaying voters. My goal this

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evening before asking my

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question -- and I will try to

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make this very brief -- is to

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clarify certain statements made

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at the last council meeting

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perceived as some by -- the best

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of intentions. The result can be

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-- evil condo owners,

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essentially unchallenged until

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now, at least in this forum. We

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are your neighbours. There is a

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strong bond, a

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With Pointe-Claire. I want to be

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very clear that, as co-owners,

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we are not champions of any

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developer. All stakeholders much

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must manage and execute their

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issues. We simply want more

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balance and -- over

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generalizations about where we

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live. And I will be specific

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about that. The four statement I

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want to clarify was repeated

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twice at the last meeting in

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referring to residential

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developments, including ours.

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And I quote, Tim, somehow in the

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process we have come to

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prioritize the people moving in,

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and not those who live here.

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What may not be fully realized

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is that many of the people

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moving in are in fact the very

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people who have lived in

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Pointe-Claire for many years,

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and our building alone people --

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we had a little -- the other

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day, and just around one table,

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I counted people from Inglewood

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Avenue in Pointe-Claire, Cartier

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Avenue in Pointe-Claire --

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Avenue, two families, Queen

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Avenue and Chester Avenue in

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Valois. Avenue -- lakeshore

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drive, Compton Crescent. That's

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just a small sampling around the

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table. The message is that the

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needs of your residents change

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over time, and moving into a

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condo can be one progressive

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life cycle option. We have the

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same people moving in in many

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cases. Second point, there was a

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quote that Sotramont caused

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caused the destruction of trees

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and wetlands. I'm not going to

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say that some things weren't

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done. But, in fact, it's no

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secret that the bulk of the

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trees that you are referring to

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were essentially ash trees. And

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the emerald ash -- kill the

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trees. So, the trees were dead,

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the city cut them down, and is

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actively protecting the green

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space within the trees and the

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wetland areas under the

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jurisdiction of the Québec

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government remain preserve

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beside -- utilized -- Park.

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Louisville the Pointe-Claire has

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been very -- high

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At the last council meeting a

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reference was made to

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Pointe-Claire approve

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development projects that are

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outpacing areas at the West

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Island and you mentioned, I

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think, 13 of them compared to

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the other cities --

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>> Dramatically --

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>> Dramatically, yes. But you

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also added the statement,

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altering a once beautiful city.

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You have also expressed more

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than once that our project is

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the reason you ran for mayor.

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What you might also consider in

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taking a closer look at our

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condos is our standout low

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carbon footprint, probably

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unmatched Pointe-Claire in and

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perhaps in the West Island. We

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have an employee LEED certified

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building --

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>> Mr. Sandilowski, are we

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getting there?

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>> Yeah, I'm getting there. --

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lead with multiple electric

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charging stations. We are cloud

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of our Pointe-Claire strategic

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plan, et cetera, I will skip. I

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had two other points.

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Unchallenged statements by the

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-- resident they, were two quick

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points from last time. Condo

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condo parking lot rights -- I

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00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000
was shocked that nobody pointed

558
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000
that out. Exterior lights were

559
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000
added to our parking for safety

560
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000
and crime prevention purposes

561
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000
and -- city lights that -- are

562
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,000
streets, homes, including those

563
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,000
in Austin. The horizontal board

564
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000
received a complaint in public

565
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000
security, first of all. The

566
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000
settings were adjusted to the

567
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,000
lowest possible setting.

568
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000
Secondly, the specks were sent

569
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,000
to public security, actually.

570
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,060
Inspector actually said that he

571
00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:01,060
was pleased a solution could be

572
00:21:01,060 --> 00:21:03,060
found and we received a

573
00:21:03,060 --> 00:21:05,060
beautiful written comment that

574
00:21:05,060 --> 00:21:06,060
we were convinced that there was

575
00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:08,060
a noticeable difference in the

576
00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:11,060
lighting. The issue was simply

577
00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:13,060
-- there. So, if there are

578
00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:14,060
ongoing issues, we don't know

579
00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:16,060
about them. Finally, on the

580
00:21:16,060 --> 00:21:18,060
drainage behind Alston, given

581
00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:19,060
the underlying mitigation that

582
00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:20,060
somehow we were dragged into, I

583
00:21:20,060 --> 00:21:24,060
have no comment. We are well

584
00:21:24,060 --> 00:21:26,060
aware, well away from this area,

585
00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:28,060
but it would appear that the --

586
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:30,060
and drains are connected. Okay?

587
00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:33,060
On the new hypotheses that

588
00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:36,060
mosquitoes are --

589
00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:38,060
notwithstanding our value of

590
00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:39,060
wetlands and force, speaks for

591
00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:42,060
itself. My question -- to the

592
00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:44,060
Mayor and -- Council members

593
00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:46,060
believe that condos are an

594
00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:47,060
important element in the housing

595
00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:49,060
mix for Pointe-Claire? And, if

596
00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:51,060
so, what can you do to ensure

597
00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:53,060
there is greater balance and the

598
00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:55,060
were summary dismissals about

599
00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:57,060
approved developments and, as a

600
00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:59,060
consequence, the residents that

601
00:21:59,060 --> 00:22:00,020
live in them? Thank you for

602
00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:01,020
listening.

603
00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:03,020
>> Your points are well taken,

604
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:07,020
Mr. Sandilowski. The comments I

605
00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:10,020
stand by fully. I speak

606
00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:11,020
specifically to what happened to

607
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:14,020
a lot of the Alston residents

608
00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:16,020
whose homes were flooded, were

609
00:22:16,020 --> 00:22:17,020
not for Pointe-Claire volunteer

610
00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:19,020
rescue, many more would have

611
00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:22,020
been. I don't have any problems

612
00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:24,020
with developments. I have

613
00:22:24,020 --> 00:22:26,020
problems with developments that

614
00:22:26,020 --> 00:22:28,020
cause harm or discomfort to

615
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:31,020
other citizens. And I speak for

616
00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:33,020
the other citizens who are

617
00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:36,020
subjected to that discomfort or

618
00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:38,020
harm. And I feel we really

619
00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:39,020
should prioritize them, and we

620
00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:41,020
haven't. We have had flooding.

621
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:43,020
We have had the lighting issues.

622
00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:46,020
I went to visit the people who

623
00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:50,020
lived in Alston

624
00:22:51,020 --> 00:22:55,020
Allston -- one person blocking

625
00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:58,020
the view of many others. We, as

626
00:22:58,020 --> 00:22:59,020
an administration, in my

627
00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:01,080
opinion, should be making sure

628
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,080
that developments do not disrupt

629
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,080
or cause harm to the existing

630
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080
residents. I stand by that one.

631
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,080
And I will say it over and over

632
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,080
again. I would also like to

633
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,080
point out that our development

634
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,080
-- not specifically, or, as I'm

635
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:22,080
referring to Hainas and general,

636
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,080
from St. John's to still view --

637
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,080
I took my data Verdon as your

638
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,080
first introductory visit to

639
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,080
Pointe-Claire, I drove her to

640
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,080
Kirkland from Hymus and -- the

641
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,080
feeling that comes out. And what

642
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,080
is clearly apparent to me -- and

643
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,080
we will get to Hymus -- coming

644
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,080
from that direction, or coming

645
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,080
from the other direction, is

646
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,080
that there is no street

647
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,080
lighting. There is no tree

648
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,080
canopy. There is no planning.

649
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,080
There is no park. There is not

650
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,080
sufficient green space. Also, as

651
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,040
Jane Jacobs, who is a mentor of

652
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,040
mine, has written, the

653
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,040
relationship between the people

654
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,040
and the street, when we built

655
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,040
for the built environment you,

656
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,040
should hear, or pay careful

657
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,040
attention to the relationship to

658
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040
the street. So, all development

659
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040
should do so that so that you

660
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,040
can build community. I'm not

661
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,040
criticizing any other

662
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,040
developments in these places.

663
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,040
>> But, sir --

664
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,040
>> Let me finish. I'm still

665
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,040
talking.

666
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,040
>> --

667
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,040
>> Thank you, sir. What is

668
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040
important to me is that we built

669
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,040
build in our build environment,

670
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,040
we build community. -- and enjoy

671
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,040
each other in space together. We

672
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,040
have communal areas. We have --

673
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,040
and we have a sense of community

674
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,040
where people are proud of where

675
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,040
they live, and they are not

676
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040
anonymous to each other. So,

677
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,040
there are different types of

678
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,040
buildings that are more

679
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,040
conducive to that. And we can --

680
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,040
ways in which we can augment

681
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,040
those things, and not diminish

682
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,040
them. I don't deny the

683
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,040
possibility that it is happening

684
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,040
in other areas. I don't have any

685
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,000
problems with that. I am,

686
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,000
however, not pleased with the

687
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,000
look and feel as a -- someone

688
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,000
who studies the built

689
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
environment -- I would like to

690
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000
see something a little more

691
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000
aesthetically pleasing and that

692
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,000
is indeed what I campaigned on,

693
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000
and still campaign on. And there

694
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000
is nothing wrong with building

695
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
condos. But let's build them in

696
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
a way where it fits the

697
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000
community and there's not

698
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000
disrupt or alter the lives of

699
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,000
people --

700
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,000
>> I think you are absolutely

701
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000
right there. The urban planning

702
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000
and execution of how things are

703
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,000
done he's an important

704
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,000
consideration. But what I'm

705
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,000
trying to point out to you is,

706
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000
firstly, that your citizens are

707
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000
moving across the road into

708
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
different condos. The age

709
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000
profile -- it's one of those

710
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
steps that happens. And so,

711
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
people living in -- from ten

712
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,000
years from now maybe into

713
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,000
condos. And the other point I

714
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000
would make is, I have been

715
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,000
around long enough, why remember

716
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,000
-- we talked about Hymus

717
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
boulevard -- I remember when it

718
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
was a dump on the west side. I

719
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000
remember when the snow permeated

720
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000
across Pointe-Claire at Kirkland

721
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,000
Beaconsfield. And guess what?

722
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,060
The development hub helped get

723
00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:02,060
rid of that. So, there are a

724
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:03,060
number of considerations there.

725
00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:05,060
I would just respectfully ask

726
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:07,060
ask that when you talk about a

727
00:26:07,060 --> 00:26:08,060
project, you are also talking

728
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:10,060
about the people who live in a

729
00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:11,060
given --

730
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:14,060
>> Absolutely. Fair enough.

731
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:15,060
Thank you.

732
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:19,060
>> --

733
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:24,060
>> -- Sanjinski?

734
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:33,060
>> In the resolution adopted at

735
00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:35,060
the last council meeting,

736
00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:37,060
concerning the window agreement,

737
00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:40,060
there was one inaccuracy. Just a

738
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:42,060
suggestion that the City had

739
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:43,060
been negotiating with the

740
00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:46,060
archdiocese of Montréal for 20

741
00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:49,060
years. In fact, the archdiocese

742
00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:50,060
of Montréal I don't become the

743
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:52,060
owner of the area of that point

744
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:55,060
-- the convent -- in 2020. Prior

745
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:58,060
to that, the owner had been --

746
00:26:58,060 --> 00:27:01,020
Parish, which had its own set of

747
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:03,020
reasons for not necessarily

748
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:07,020
negotiating with the City. In

749
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:08,020
2015, there was an agreement

750
00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:09,020
which they had been prepared to

751
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:14,020
sell the area of La Pointe --

752
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:16,020
the property is now worth $8

753
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:20,020
million. They did, whoever, sell

754
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:22,020
another property to the City in

755
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:27,020
2013. 4600 square metres at

756
00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:30,020
about $136 per square metre.

757
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:32,020
This was the north end of bore

758
00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:35,020
go park, and the 35 space --

759
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:39,020
next to former pioneer park now,

760
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:41,020
at the time, it was widely

761
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:43,020
believed, and this is why the

762
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:47,020
parish agreed to sell it for

763
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:50,020
600,000 -- this would not

764
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:52,020
change. Within four years, the

765
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:55,020
City had rezoned the parking lot

766
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:57,020
next to the pioneers for

767
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:58,020
residential development. And the

768
00:27:58,020 --> 00:28:01,080
following year they sold it in a

769
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,080
non tender contract to cobra

770
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,080
development run by Mr. Gregory

771
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,080
-- this was at $550 per square

772
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,080
metre, a transaction. So, the

773
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,080
members of the --

774
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,080
-- made clear at the time. And

775
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,080
there's no doubt -- willingness

776
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080
to negotiate further with the

777
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,080
City -- around that point. Now,

778
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:34,080
that property was sold to Mr.

779
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Puello's company -- initially

780
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080
proposed -- the Heritage Society

781
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,080
disputed the evaluation that

782
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,080
proposed sale was based on. We

783
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,080
had our own evaluation done,

784
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,080
finding it was 1.15 million. The

785
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,080
reason for the difference was

786
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,080
the evaluation the city

787
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,080
initially used was about twice

788
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,080
the normal shelf life of a land

789
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,040
evaluation, and failed to

790
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,040
include the concept of land

791
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,040
assembly value, which is when

792
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,040
you put to watch together for

793
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,040
common real estate project,

794
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,040
there is normally a 15 to 20%

795
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,040
premium. So, seeing this in

796
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,040
September or October of 2018,

797
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,040
the City had its previous

798
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,040
evaluator PCG Carmen -- and they

799
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,040
came up with a new number which

800
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,040
is around $900,000 total which

801
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,040
-- significant difference around

802
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,040
20%. Now, this, apparently, was

803
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,040
not enough for Mr. Cobul and

804
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,040
Cobul development. So, he

805
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,040
arranged with the City to buy

806
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,040
only the fifth -- physical input

807
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,040
of this building, while leaving

808
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,040
the back third completely of no

809
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,040
use to anybody other than

810
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,000
himself with construction

811
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000
project and the -- condominium,

812
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000
who now have it as kind of a

813
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,000
landscape backyard for

814
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000
themselves. There was talk of

815
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
the city wanting this property

816
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000
out to Mr. Cobul, as was

817
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,000
discussed at the time. Now, in

818
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,000
May of 2021, Mark logo

819
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Legault -- for the city, for the

820
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
land he was using. The response

821
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000
that he received on June 8th,

822
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
2021 was that, no, such payment

823
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
had been made and there was no

824
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000
lease agreement. The July six

825
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000
2021 council meeting, council

826
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,000
voted for a lease agreement, a

827
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,000
draft lease agreement with Mr.

828
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000
Cogul at -- dollars a month,

829
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,000
retroactive to March of 2021

830
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:06,060
-- Mr. Legault row to the city

831
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:12,060
-- as well as proof of any

832
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:17,060
payments that have been made. --

833
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:23,060
Jose -- of the city clerk's

834
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:25,060
office, who said, as follows --

835
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:29,060
- Nouveau informant que nous ne

836
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:30,060
détenons que le projet d'entente

837
00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:32,060
éclos qu'on monte... aucun

838
00:31:32,060 --> 00:31:34,060
montant n'a été prélevé par la

839
00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:35,060
ville à ce jour rien avec

840
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:38,060
celui-ci. In other words, City

841
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:41,060
Council had voted for a lease

842
00:31:41,060 --> 00:31:46,060
agreement with Mr. Cogul and he

843
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:50,060
had redefined it with him and

844
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:52,060
this on Tapia disappeared

845
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:54,060
somewhere and he had not charge

846
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:56,060
and ran for -- council it simply

847
00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:57,060
adopted a lease agreement that

848
00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:59,060
it had no intention of ever

849
00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:02,020
enforcing against Mr. Cogul so,

850
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:03,020
he effectively, essentially, got

851
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:05,020
use of this property for free.

852
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:06,020
Now, when we look at something

853
00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:09,020
like that in the context of the

854
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:10,020
present situation for the

855
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:12,020
rental, Councillor Cowan has

856
00:32:12,020 --> 00:32:14,020
admitted on social media that,

857
00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:17,020
as I had said at the previous

858
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:20,020
week -- Mr. Cogul had contacted

859
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:22,020
Stephen oh Maroney

860
00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:33,020
10 Jervis Bay Avenue Maroni --.,

861
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:40,020
Mr. Cogul's reason for doing

862
00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:43,020
this -- community care facility

863
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:45,020
that he would rent the convent

864
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:47,020
out to, and then he would give

865
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:52,020
the windmill to the city. Mr.

866
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:58,020
>> -- Mr. Sanjinski --

867
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,080
>> Yeah, I'm going to get to. It

868
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,080
-- Mr. Cowan said that he would

869
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,080
support this use. -- contact the

870
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,080
archdiocese to confirm the

871
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,080
statement. I spoke with Mr.

872
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,080
Maroni, who indicated, first of

873
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080
all, that Mr. had Cogul never

874
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,080
indicated -- community care

875
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,080
facility -- to him. But did say

876
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,080
that he was quite surprised that

877
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,080
the city was open to considering

878
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,080
that kind of use for the

879
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080
property given that, in the

880
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,080
representations, Council had

881
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,080
made to him and that City staff

882
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,080
had made to him he was in fact

883
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,080
told the uses of that nature

884
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,080
would not be allowed for the

885
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,080
diocese as an owner and would

886
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,080
require a zoning change. So,

887
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,080
first of all, I find it very

888
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,080
difficult to believe that

889
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,080
someone so used to getting

890
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,080
everything for free or a

891
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,080
discount from the City would

892
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,080
give the windmill a way to the

893
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
citizens of -- but I think the

894
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,080
more pertinent important

895
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,080
question to ask here is why

896
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,040
would the city of Pointe-Claire

897
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,040
and its Council be comfortable

898
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,040
with being given one type of

899
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,040
zoning from Mr. Cogul zoning as

900
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,040
the owner, and another type of

901
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,040
zoning for its current owner? It

902
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,040
seems that both should get there

903
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,040
and equitable treatment in the

904
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,040
situation. And again, if I had

905
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,040
to look at these two potential

906
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,040
owners, it would seem to me

907
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,040
that, if you have to ask

908
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,040
yourself, who is most likely to

909
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,040
rent this property out, and to

910
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,040
be operated as a care facility,

911
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,040
is it going to be the

912
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,040
archdiocese of Montréal, the

913
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,040
current owner? Or is it going to

914
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,040
be the luxury condo developer

915
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,040
who developed demolished -- and

916
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,040
appears to have named his real

917
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,040
estate company for either a

918
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,040
poison snake or the villains

919
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,040
from G.I. Joe? And I would

920
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,040
suggest that Council would,

921
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,040
perhaps, provide some kind of

922
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,040
insight into whether the diocese

923
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040
will get the same kind of

924
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,040
treatment and --

925
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000
>> Give me the question again.

926
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
>> That's my questions.

927
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,000
>> My questions, first of all, I

928
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,000
would like Council to confirm

929
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
first of all that they would be

930
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000
prepared to meet the same

931
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
allowances -- nursing homes, day

932
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
cares, as Mr. -- had been

933
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,000
discussing with that, they would

934
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,000
be --

935
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,000
>> I would certainly think so.

936
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Madame Verdon, I assume we would

937
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,000
give the same permission to Mr.

938
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Maroni's as we would to Mr.

939
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000
Cogul. I would assume that that

940
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000
would be the case. That would

941
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
assume to make sense to me. That

942
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,000
would be question number one.

943
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
>> For sure -- we have to

944
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000
respect the -- please.

945
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000
>> And I would assume that the

946
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
bylaw would apply equally to

947
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
both. And it would seem to me

948
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000
that it wouldn't be a problem, I

949
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000
would think.

950
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,060
>> Okay. -- Council could

951
00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:03,060
clarify that in the future given

952
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:07,060
that it communicate -- for Mr.

953
00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:08,060
Cogul would not be available to

954
00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:10,060
the archdiocese. And, if I had

955
00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:13,060
one more question, I guess I

956
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:14,060
would --

957
00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:17,060
>> -- you've named to me, I --

958
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:21,060
>> Excuse me, Mr. Sanjinski --

959
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:23,060
>> Councillor Cowan?

960
00:36:23,060 --> 00:36:25,060
>> -- and the current zoning is

961
00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:28,060
what I heard was the intended

962
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:30,060
use, or the offer of use. But,

963
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:32,060
again, what I heard is what

964
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:36,060
people told me, just like people

965
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:37,060
told you and neither one of us

966
00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:40,060
are the principles.

967
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:41,060
>> If I get a second question, I

968
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:43,060
would like to know what happened

969
00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:46,060
to those 18 months of 1700

970
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:49,060
dollars a month when four back

971
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:50,060
wallet --

972
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:52,060
>> I can look into that. I'm

973
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:54,060
assuming they have been paid.

974
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:57,060
>> As of August 2022,

975
00:36:57,060 --> 00:37:00,020
representatives of the city

976
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:02,020
clerk's office --

977
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:05,020
>> I would --

978
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:08,020
>> Maybe I can speak. First of

979
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:11,020
all, Council -- assigned by the

980
00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:14,020
City official. So, the

981
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:16,020
official's -- not being -- as

982
00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:18,020
the mayor to enforce the

983
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:19,020
contracts that the City has

984
00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:21,020
signed.

985
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,020
>> Thank you.

986
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:23,020
>> Thank you.

987
00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:28,020
>> Okay. Kim Lance?

988
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:32,020
>> Thank you. I am a brand-new

989
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:34,020
resident of Pointe-Claire since

990
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:35,020
early June. I live in the well

991
00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:39,020
is late

992
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:45,020
Wellesley right behind the -- 33

993
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:49,020
years as a very close neighbour

994
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:52,020
in Kirkland and my property

995
00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:55,020
backed on -- many things I like

996
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:57,020
about Pointe-Claire, some others

997
00:37:57,020 --> 00:37:59,020
not -- that's besides the point.

998
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:04,080
I have a request for

999
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,080
129 which Pointe-Claire

1000
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,080
residents that live on windmill,

1001
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Amberley and -- and also for the

1002
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,080
seniors that live in the man who

1003
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,080
are Kirkland

1004
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,080
-- Manoir Kirkland sales you.

1005
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,080
It's a -- allows people to cut

1006
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,080
through to get to the hospital.

1007
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080
That path is on Pointe-Claire

1008
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,080
property. Pointe-Claire is not

1009
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,080
interested in keeping it up. In

1010
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,080
the wintertime, Kirkland gives

1011
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,080
out a contract to a snow remover

1012
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,080
-- a snow removal contract to

1013
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,080
keep it clear. Now, when

1014
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,040
Pointe-Claire was asked to do

1015
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,040
that, it showed no interest in

1016
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,040
doing so.

1017
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,040
My request is this. Once --

1018
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,040
right now the path is -- quite

1019
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,040
mighty and at the end closest to

1020
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,040
the hospital. It could be

1021
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,040
possible to put crushed stone in

1022
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,040
the air to make it more

1023
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,040
amenable. Just remember that the

1024
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,040
people living in the Le Manoir

1025
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,040
our seniors. The bulk of them go

1026
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,040
around in walkers. I have a

1027
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,040
friend that lives there. He has

1028
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,040
to go to the hospital on a

1029
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,040
regular basis. And it's awkward

1030
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,040
now. Because, otherwise, going

1031
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,040
around might not seem long to go

1032
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,040
around, over to still view, and

1033
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,040
walk all the way back towards

1034
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,040
the hospital. It would be a nice

1035
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,040
short cut. So, one of two things

1036
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,040
I'm suggesting we should do. Not

1037
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,040
interested? See the territory to

1038
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Kirkland, they will take care of

1039
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
it. Now, remember -- it wouldn't

1040
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
be any skin off your nose. But,

1041
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
otherwise, could you take care

1042
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,000
of it?

1043
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,000
>> Interesting point, Sir who

1044
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
asked and when? I would like to

1045
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000
know some of the history.

1046
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,000
>> That was supposedly asked by

1047
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000
the -- Kirkland itself. And, if

1048
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000
you like, I will check with Joe

1049
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
-- the general manager.

1050
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,000
>> I know Joe. But who asked

1051
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Pointe-Claire?

1052
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000
>> --

1053
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
>> Did -- tell you this?

1054
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,000
>> My councillor -- this, it's

1055
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
neither here nor this. Is

1056
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Pointe-Claire willing to take

1057
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,000
care of it?

1058
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
>> If we haven't been asked -- I

1059
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,000
want to make sure we have been

1060
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000
asked, and there has been a

1061
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000
denial. Because I can't speak to

1062
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000
that. That was before my time.

1063
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000
But I would imagine that --

1064
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000
would you like to speak,

1065
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,000
Cynthia? Absolutely.

1066
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
>> I would just like to address,

1067
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,060
because this has been brought to

1068
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,060
City of Pointe-Claire several

1069
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:04,060
times -- don't live close, but

1070
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:05,060
they also use that pathway. It's

1071
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:07,060
easier to park and go through.

1072
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:08,060
At the time, it was explained to

1073
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:10,060
me that it actually belongs to

1074
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:12,060
the city of Kirkland. So, I

1075
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:13,060
think the discussion has to be

1076
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:15,060
had between the city of Kirkland

1077
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:17,060
and the city of Pointe-Claire as

1078
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:22,060
to who is actually maintaining

1079
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:23,060
-- statement. You did mention

1080
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:25,060
that the City of Kirkland is

1081
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:28,060
doing snow removal. I think it's

1082
00:41:28,060 --> 00:41:30,060
crazy. But -- I'm personally not

1083
00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:32,060
against it. I think it would

1084
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:33,060
lend value to people in the

1085
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:36,060
area. So, perhaps it is

1086
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:37,060
something we can look at and

1087
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:38,060
have a chitchat with the City of

1088
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:40,060
Kirkland. How is that?

1089
00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:43,060
>> Can I ask a simple

1090
00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:46,060
suggestion? That you were GM

1091
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:49,060
talks to Joe --

1092
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:50,060
>> --

1093
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:51,060
>> -- can be done.

1094
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:53,060
>> -- something along the way.

1095
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:54,060
But it's probably simply a

1096
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:56,060
thing, like you said, they see

1097
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:57,060
-- the hospital. This small

1098
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:59,060
section, it's probably ever been

1099
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:01,020
looked at, but now with all the

1100
00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:02,020
senior homes in the area, I

1101
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:03,020
think it's a valuable point and

1102
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:05,020
I certainly supported, if we are

1103
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:06,020
able to. But it looks like we

1104
00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:08,020
have to have a to chat with --

1105
00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:11,020
>> We are going to have a to

1106
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:12,020
chat for sure. And your point is

1107
00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:13,020
an excellent one.

1108
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:14,020
>> Thank you very much. One of

1109
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:16,020
the question. It is a request

1110
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:20,020
for the aquatic center. And --

1111
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:24,020
little bonjour. When I go

1112
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:26,020
swimming, we have the choice now

1113
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:28,020
of the big pool, the ten lane

1114
00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:29,020
pool. The water is colder, the

1115
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:30,020
air is cold. I get out of that

1116
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:33,020
pool, I am shivering. We used to

1117
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:35,020
have a sauna that worked. There

1118
00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:37,020
is no money to fix it. It is

1119
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:38,020
rotted all the way because it

1120
00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,020
was closed down for so long

1121
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:41,020
because of COVID. Can we get

1122
00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:43,020
some money to fix that thing?

1123
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:45,020
>> I have asked about the way

1124
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:46,020
that. I can't remember the

1125
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:49,020
response. But I was on that

1126
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:52,020
side. And I think it was

1127
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:53,020
impending. I can't speak for

1128
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:54,020
sure on that. But I have had

1129
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:55,020
some correspondence on that.

1130
00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:57,020
There is a plan to get it up and

1131
00:42:57,020 --> 00:42:58,020
running and make it functional.

1132
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:59,020
I'm pretty sure.

1133
00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:02,080
>> I checked with one of the

1134
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,080
supervisors at the pool and he

1135
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,080
said, because they had a leak in

1136
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,080
the ten lane pool, that their

1137
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,080
budget is shot, and they don't

1138
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,080
have money to do it. That's why

1139
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,080
I'm bringing it up here.

1140
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,080
>> Okay. I will look into it.

1141
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,080
>> Last thing -- I respect the

1142
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,080
to question thing, and I hope

1143
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,080
it's enforced. Another thing I

1144
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,080
would suggest is that we, the

1145
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,080
questioners, be concise. All

1146
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,080
right? I am cutting it off in 30

1147
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,080
seconds. I would like to

1148
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,080
congratulate the city for what

1149
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,080
they have done for the bike path

1150
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,080
that runs from -- over to

1151
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Allston. It is beautiful.

1152
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,080
Really, really beautiful.

1153
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,080
>> Thank you very much.

1154
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,080
Susan Weaver?

1155
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,080
>> The first one is a preamble,

1156
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,080
no question. Two minutes, 20

1157
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,080
seconds. And the second one's --

1158
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,040
question. So, after attending

1159
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,040
August 8th council meeting, I

1160
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,040
decided I must say something

1161
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,040
about Mr. Thomas's monologue at

1162
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,040
the beginning of the meeting.

1163
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,040
Regarding the new house at 360

1164
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,040
aboard the Lac

1165
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,040
-- as being a large, dark

1166
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,040
building taking up the whole

1167
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,040
length of the property. I felt

1168
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,040
the photo is very misleading and

1169
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,040
displaying it was very

1170
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,040
inappropriate. For my

1171
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,040
understanding, the owner had

1172
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,040
explained at the at the previous

1173
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,040
council meeting that the new

1174
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,040
building would be -- the from

1175
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,040
property line and the cladding

1176
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,040
would -- orchard. It seems to me

1177
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,040
that the owners put much thought

1178
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,040
into how they're renovated

1179
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,040
property would fit into the

1180
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,040
streetscape. People really

1181
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,040
should go back and listen to the

1182
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,040
owner's description of the plan.

1183
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,040
I sympathize with those worried

1184
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,040
about their Lakeview, having

1185
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,040
been involved with demolitions

1186
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,040
before. And I do involve

1187
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,040
understand the frustrations

1188
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,040
about the mustard clauses in

1189
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,000
bylaws. But, as an observer, I

1190
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
really don't understand how much

1191
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Lakeview would be lost. I was

1192
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
impressed, though, that the

1193
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000
owners are removing a 35 foot

1194
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000
pool, thereby restoring a

1195
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,000
shoreline as best as possible

1196
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000
and removing all that asphalt in

1197
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,000
front. I support those who take

1198
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,000
care of the environment. Back to

1199
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
the problem at hand. I have come

1200
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
to Council for many years with

1201
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000
different issues and not one of

1202
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,000
the past three mayors ever took

1203
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000
a side. They remained neutral,

1204
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
as which a mayor should be. Mr.

1205
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Thomas in, his place, decided to

1206
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
take a side. That was actually a

1207
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
very mean action on the part of

1208
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,000
the Mayor. There seems to be a

1209
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,000
pattern here with Mr. Thomas --

1210
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,000
he always gravitates to groups

1211
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
who have grievances and those

1212
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000
who are angry. That is where the

1213
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000
votes -- try to keep it in place

1214
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
for his mandate so he can keep

1215
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
saying that nothing was

1216
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
fulfilled when he runs for the

1217
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,060
next election in 2025. He has

1218
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:02,060
garnered $28 million in lawsuits

1219
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:06,060
and litigations against the City

1220
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:08,060
since January 2022. Now, my

1221
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:09,060
question -- second question --

1222
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:11,060
is also about water.

1223
00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:13,060
>> What's the first one?

1224
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:15,060
>> I don't have a question.

1225
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:16,060
>> What's the --

1226
00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:18,060
>> I said, I have one preamble,

1227
00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:20,060
no question. And now, this is my

1228
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:22,060
question, with no preamble.

1229
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:24,060
Regarding a public notice of

1230
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:26,060
August 11th, there was an

1231
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:28,060
information session August 24th

1232
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:30,060
for the future of Montréal

1233
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:32,060
water. I would like a brief

1234
00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:33,060
update on the first information

1235
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:37,060
session for this consultation.

1236
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:38,060
>> The one a couple of weeks

1237
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:39,060
ago?

1238
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:42,060
>> -- last week.

1239
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:44,060
>> Yeah. No. A week and a half,

1240
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:45,060
I think. But I would have to go

1241
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:48,060
back on my calendar. I will just

1242
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:51,060
address a few things first. You

1243
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:55,060
heard my -- I am intrigued at my

1244
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:56,060
introduction comments or a

1245
00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:59,060
monologue. I prefer -- mayors

1246
00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:01,020
message or what I do in the

1247
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:02,020
opening of every council

1248
00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:04,020
meeting. So, there is nothing

1249
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:06,020
too bizarre about that. A

1250
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:08,020
doctored photo? No, it wasn't a

1251
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:09,020
doctored photo. It was a

1252
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:13,020
geometrical rendition to the

1253
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:14,020
dimensions and specks, exactly

1254
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:15,020
what the property would look

1255
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:20,020
like. And it was done to scale.

1256
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:25,020
I am intrigued that the mayor

1257
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:27,020
should be neutral. Maybe some

1258
00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:29,020
mayors. Some mayors have

1259
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:31,020
opinions and beliefs and would

1260
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:33,020
like to lead by example and

1261
00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:37,020
would like to ascertain or

1262
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:39,020
espouse certain perspectives and

1263
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:41,020
visions, and vision is a good

1264
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:45,020
thing, I think. Maybe it isn't,

1265
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:47,020
according to your statement, Ms.

1266
00:47:47,020 --> 00:47:51,020
Weaver. Vision is a good thing.

1267
00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:53,020
And vision means you are beyond

1268
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:54,020
neutrality. You are espousing

1269
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:56,020
something that you believe in.

1270
00:47:56,020 --> 00:48:00,080
Referring to 360 Lakeshore, the

1271
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,080
greatest -- mayor McMurray

1272
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,080
McMurtry -- like to do half as

1273
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,080
well as he did. Going where the

1274
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,080
vote is? Well, that is kind of

1275
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,080
presumably not a bad thing to

1276
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,080
do. As for the freeze, the

1277
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,080
freeze, I would love to see us

1278
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,080
get it. I'd love to see us get a

1279
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,080
wonderful urban plan so we can

1280
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,080
get it up and running and have a

1281
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,080
beautiful city. I am 100% for

1282
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,080
accelerating that process. It's

1283
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,080
taking longer than I would like.

1284
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,080
And I have a spouse that on

1285
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,080
numerous situations. As for the

1286
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,080
water, it is very intriguing

1287
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,080
where we are headed with water.

1288
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,080
Everybody -- it's interesting.

1289
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,080
What we have learned is that the

1290
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,080
Americans, surprise, surprise,

1291
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,080
are far ahead of us on

1292
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,080
waterfronts and on shorelines.

1293
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,080
And we are learning from them.

1294
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,080
And we are trying to get

1295
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,040
together as a group. The great

1296
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,040
lakes and St. Lawrence

1297
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Association are trying to get

1298
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,040
together, so that we can all

1299
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,040
share best practices and learn

1300
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,040
from each other. And I was

1301
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,040
intrigued to learn in that

1302
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,040
meeting that, in fact, we have a

1303
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,040
lot to learn from the United

1304
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,040
States of America on protecting

1305
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040
our shorelines and our water

1306
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,040
which, I think, is quite a

1307
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,040
revelation. So, hopefully, I

1308
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,040
have answered your question as

1309
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:28,040
well, Ms. Weaver. Steve Nade?

1310
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,040
>> Hello, everyone. My name is

1311
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,040
Steve Nade. My question is on 50

1312
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,040
terracotta park, you have the

1313
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,040
public works department and

1314
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,040
putting up a new building, by

1315
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,040
the looks of it. And -- big,

1316
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,040
huge mural that describes

1317
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,040
terracotta park. It's been there

1318
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,000
for a long, long time and I've

1319
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,000
been living in Pointe-Claire for

1320
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000
a long time. I noticed it. But I

1321
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000
wonder if, now they have taken

1322
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
out that mural, is there a

1323
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
possibility that maybe Council

1324
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000
can think about moving that

1325
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,000
mural and put to get somewhere

1326
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,000
else, either in or for us, as

1327
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,000
citizens, to see the mural of

1328
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Terracotta's history -- I don't

1329
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,000
know if you guys have ever --

1330
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,000
it's a pretty nice set up.

1331
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Right? But it's so hidden away

1332
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,000
from everybody else -- the only

1333
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000
people that actually sees it is

1334
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,000
the public works department or

1335
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,000
the people that are going to

1336
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,000
work. Right? The workers. Okay?

1337
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,000
But, as us, citizens, we never

1338
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
have a chance to look at it,

1339
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,000
because it is in the way. So, I

1340
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
wondered if you guys can take

1341
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
out the time. And you have, what

1342
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,000
is it called, the -- area? And

1343
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
you have these murals murals of

1344
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,000
what the history of the pool is

1345
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,000
or was. And as much as we all

1346
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,060
want -- take a look at it --

1347
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:02,060
pretty cool. So, I wondered if

1348
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:04,060
you guys could take the time

1349
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:08,060
out, and maybe look into finding

1350
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:12,060
a better spot than --

1351
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:15,060
>> Okay. Just before you -- make

1352
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:16,060
a correction --

1353
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:18,060
>> It's actually not about

1354
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:20,060
Terracotta -- the first flight

1355
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:22,060
in that area. That's why it's in

1356
00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:23,060
that spot. But I certainly agree

1357
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:25,060
that we have to preserve it. And

1358
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:27,060
there is a sign, historical sign

1359
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:30,060
that was put there about five or

1360
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:32,060
six years ago. So, it's not

1361
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:37,060
anything to do with Terra-Cotta

1362
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:40,060
--

1363
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:41,060
>> It was explained to me, many,

1364
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:43,060
many years ago, it has the

1365
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:45,060
flight -- whatever happened in

1366
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:46,060
that area, flight wise --

1367
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:47,060
>> But it's very important, sir.

1368
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:49,060
I don't disagree -- how we

1369
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:51,060
disagree with it and I --

1370
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:52,060
>> But if you could preserve it

1371
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:53,060
somewhere else.

1372
00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:55,060
>> We will have to look at that

1373
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:56,060
for sure.

1374
00:51:56,060 --> 00:51:58,060
>> It's a great idea. And my

1375
00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:59,060
personal favourite -- I love

1376
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:04,020
what we did in the Oliver Cote

1377
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:07,020
center and her -- please read up

1378
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:12,020
on olive Carte and -- sports

1379
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:19,020
complex. Thank you, Mr.

1380
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:25,020
Nadier. Danielle --?

1381
00:52:31,020 --> 00:52:33,020
- Deux paires de lunettes...

1382
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:34,020
Daniel Montpetit. Moi, je suis

1383
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:37,020
ici à cause... à côté de chez

1384
00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:38,020
nous, il y a un contracteur qui

1385
00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:39,020
a acheté le terrain. Ils sont en

1386
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:43,020
train de faire des rénovations.

1387
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:45,020
Puis là, vers le début d', où il

1388
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,020
a commencé à

1389
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:47,020
(inaudible)

1390
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:48,020
tout ça. J'ai réalisé qu'il

1391
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:49,020
laissait ça

1392
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:50,020
(inaudible)

1393
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:52,020
assez haut en arrière chez nous

1394
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:53,020
chez le voisin. Alors là, je

1395
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:56,020
suis venu ici le 9 août. Pour

1396
00:52:56,020 --> 00:53:00,080
des renseignements. Tous les

1397
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,080
renseignements que j'ai eu,

1398
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,080
monsieur, fabuleux, très bon.

1399
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,080
Moi, ce qui me concerne, ce

1400
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,080
n'est pas ce que j'ai eu comme

1401
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,080
renseignements, ceci, cela. Je

1402
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,080
ne comprends pas pourquoi il

1403
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,080
faut venir ici, demander une

1404
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,080
permission ou avoir accès à

1405
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,080
l'information pour savoir ce

1406
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,080
qu'un contracteur va bâtir à

1407
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,080
côté de chez nous. Je ne veux

1408
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,080
pas savoir s'il y a trois

1409
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,080
femmes... ça ne m'intéresse pas,

1410
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,080
sa vie personnelle. Ce qui

1411
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,080
m'intéresse, c'est ce qu'il va

1412
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,080
faire à côté de chez nous, comme

1413
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,080
citoyen, comme n'importe quel

1414
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,080
citoyen de la ville. C'est là où

1415
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,080
je ne comprends pas que... moi,

1416
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,080
je peux venir ici, demander un

1417
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,080
permis pour un contrat, bâtir

1418
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,080
une chaise, tout ça. Que tu

1419
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,080
dises a tout le monde que tu

1420
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,080
veux bâtir une shed de 20 par

1421
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,080
20, par ceci, par cela. Ça

1422
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,080
dérange personne.

1423
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,080
(---)

1424
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,080
ça me dérange. Mais je ne

1425
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,080
comprends pas comment ça se fait

1426
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,080
que les villes... pas la seule,

1427
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,080
je suis certain, qu'on mette ça

1428
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,080
de cette façon-là. Que quelqu'un

1429
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,040
qui bâtit une maison à côté de

1430
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,040
quelqu'un d'autre devrait avoir

1431
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,040
toutes les informations

1432
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,040
possibles pour savoir: ça va

1433
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,040
bien aller. Ce qui arrive, c'est

1434
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,040
qu'on a des informations ici et

1435
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,040
là, ceci, cela. Et on se pose

1436
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,040
des questions. On vient à

1437
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,040
l'information, on a les bonnes,

1438
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,040
quelqu'un m'a bien répondu,

1439
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,040
madame Thibault, toute la gang.

1440
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,040
Mais je me demande pourquoi on

1441
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,040
doit faire tout ça quand c'est

1442
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,040
pour bâtir à côté de chez nous.

1443
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,040
Il me semble... si je bâtis de

1444
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,040
quoi chez nous, je sais, j'ai

1445
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,040
travaillé à la Ville 33 ans. Et

1446
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,040
si tu te bâtis une maison neuve,

1447
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,040
aujourd'hui, il faut faire les

1448
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,040
trois services. C'est

1449
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,040
automatique pour tout le monde.

1450
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,040
Ma voisine l'autre bord, quand

1451
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,040
on a réalisé... il a installé

1452
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,040
deux services. Par après, je me

1453
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,040
suis fait dire par le

1454
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,040
contracteur lui-même qu'il va

1455
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,040
mettre un puits en arrière.

1456
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,040
Jusqu'à ce qu'il puisse faire

1457
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,040
les services. Les autres,

1458
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,040
d'habitude, 33... je ne

1459
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,040
comprends pas ce système du

1460
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,040
tout. Ma question, c'est:

1461
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,040
pourquoi il faut demander

1462
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,040
l'accès à l'information pour

1463
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,040
savoir comment ça va se bâtir à

1464
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,040
côté de chez nous? On peut pas

1465
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,000
avoir l'information direct.

1466
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,000
- Une bonne question. Je vais

1467
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,000
poser cette question à des

1468
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,000
experts.

1469
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
- Il y a plusieurs façons de

1470
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,000
répondre à votre question,

1471
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000
monsieur Montpetit. Mais comme

1472
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,000
organisme public, on a une

1473
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,000
obligation de... plus élevé

1474
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,000
qu'un organisme privé, je

1475
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,000
dirais, de préserver les

1476
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,000
renseignements des gens qui sont

1477
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,000
nommés

1478
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,000
(inaudible)

1479
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,000
aux renseignements confidentiels

1480
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,000
quant à leur propriété. C'est la

1481
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,000
première chose. Vous avez

1482
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,000
l'opportunité, comme voisins, de

1483
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,000
poser la question directement à

1484
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
votre voisin. Alors, il y a

1485
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
aussi cette communication-là qui

1486
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000
est possible dans le voisinage.

1487
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Parce que nous, on est gardien

1488
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,000
de ces documents-là, certaines

1489
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,000
informations qu'on ne peut pas

1490
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000
divulgués sans demander une

1491
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000
autorisation, comme je vous ai

1492
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,000
expliqué quand vous êtes venu,

1493
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000
d'ailleurs. On peut fournir

1494
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,060
l'information qui appartient à

1495
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:01,060
un voisin dans la mesure où le

1496
00:56:01,060 --> 00:56:03,060
voisin nous dit: pas de

1497
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:05,060
problème, je vais vous donner...

1498
00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:06,060
vous pouvez transmettre

1499
00:56:06,060 --> 00:56:07,060
l'information à monsieur

1500
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:09,060
Montpetit. Dans le cas qui nous

1501
00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:11,060
occupe, votre question, c'était

1502
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:12,060
vers ça que je vous orientait.

1503
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:13,060
Je n'ai pas de problème à

1504
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:15,060
prendre votre demande. Je vais

1505
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:16,060
simplement demander la

1506
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:18,060
permission aux propriétaires de

1507
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:19,060
ces documents-là: est-ce qu'il

1508
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:21,060
veut que je rende disponibles à

1509
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:23,060
son voisinage? La réponse aurait

1510
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:24,060
pu être oui. C'est comme ça

1511
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:25,060
qu'on doit fonctionner. Et les

1512
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:26,060
gens ont des attentes par

1513
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:28,060
rapport à une ville... vous avez

1514
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:29,060
raison de dire qu'on n'est pas

1515
00:56:29,060 --> 00:56:32,060
la seule, au contraire. On

1516
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:34,060
appelle tous la même loi. Mais

1517
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:36,060
on a des citoyens qui ont des

1518
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:38,060
attentes par rapport à la

1519
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:39,060
documentation.

1520
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:41,060
- Je suis encore avec vous. Mais

1521
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:43,060
c'est la confidentialité... il

1522
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:44,060
peut la garder. Mais qu'est-ce

1523
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:47,060
qui est confidentiel dans poser

1524
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:49,060
trois services au lieu... de

1525
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:51,060
deux? Et il va faire l'autre

1526
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:53,060
dans... ces tes services

1527
00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:55,060
sanitaires, pluviales, une

1528
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:56,060
entrée dos...

1529
00:56:56,060 --> 00:56:58,060
- Vous l'avez dit. Alors, votre

1530
00:56:58,060 --> 00:56:59,060
questionnement, c'est pourquoi

1531
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:00,020
ça a pas été fait à ce

1532
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:01,020
moment-là. Mais vous avez raison

1533
00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:03,020
de dire qu'il y a l'application

1534
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:04,020
des règlements. Comme je vous

1535
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,020
expliquais, six à trois services

1536
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:07,020
obligatoire, il n'y avait pas à

1537
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:08,020
parier que les trois services

1538
00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:09,020
allaient apparaître à un moment

1539
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:10,020
donné dans la construction.

1540
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:11,020
Notre question, c'est: pourquoi

1541
00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:12,020
ça n'a pas été fait à ce

1542
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:17,020
moment-là?

1543
00:57:17,020 --> 00:57:19,020
(problème technique)

1544
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:22,020
- D'après moi, il va creuser

1545
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:23,020
plus tard.

1546
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:24,020
- Vous avez la réponse en même

1547
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:25,020
temps que moi, quand vous étiez

1548
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:26,020
à mon bureau.

1549
00:57:26,020 --> 00:57:27,020
- D'abord, c'est d'être pour ça

1550
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:28,020
qu'ils les vendent chers, les

1551
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:30,020
maisons. Il va devoir creuser

1552
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:31,020
une deuxième fois, Fair... c'est

1553
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:32,020
pour ça qu'ils vont. Chers

1554
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:33,020
- Je me rappelle pas la réponse

1555
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:35,020
que vous avez eu, mais c'était

1556
00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:36,020
pas nécessairement

1557
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:37,020
(inaudible)

1558
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:40,020
... d'accord, merci.

1559
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:41,020
- Merci beaucoup. Bonne soirée.

1560
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:42,020
- Pareillement.

1561
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:47,020
>> Okay. -- or is it Ellen?

1562
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:53,020
Eleanor?

1563
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:54,020
- C'est bien ça. Bonsoir,

1564
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:57,020
Monsieur le Maire, Madame,

1565
00:57:57,020 --> 00:57:59,020
Messieurs. Bonsoir à l'audience.

1566
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:00,080
Je suis présente ici avec mon

1567
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,080
mari. On veut bâtir une maison

1568
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,080
pour y vivre avec nos deux

1569
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,080
enfants sur l'avenue

1570
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,080
Saint-Louis. 397, l'adresse.

1571
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,080
Nous avons présenté le projet et

1572
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,080
ça a été présenté deux fois. La

1573
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,080
première fois, on a reçu un avis

1574
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,080
négatif. Suite à cet avis, nous

1575
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,080
avons rencontré madame

1576
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,080
(---)

1577
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,080
et d'autres personnes, le 23 mai

1578
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,080
passer pour voir quelles

1579
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,080
seraient les améliorations à

1580
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,080
apporter au projet pour que ça

1581
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,080
corresponde aux règlements de la

1582
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,080
ville et tout. Lors de cette

1583
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,080
rencontre, ça nous a été dit

1584
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,080
qu'il serait acceptable de

1585
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,080
proposer, pour le revêtement du

1586
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,080
deuxième étage, le

1587
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,080
(inaudible)

1588
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,080
d'ingénierie ou le revirement

1589
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,080
(---)

1590
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,080
. Le revêtement, pardon. Le

1591
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,080
projet a été présenté en... une

1592
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,080
deuxième fois devant le CCU, a

1593
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,080
reçu un avis positif avec trois

1594
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,040
conditions. La première, c'était

1595
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,040
au niveau du rez-de-chaussée. La

1596
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,040
deuxième, de choisir son boire

1597
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,040
plus clair, et plus foncé, et en

1598
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,040
bas, pour couper un peu le

1599
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,040
contraste. La troisième

1600
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,040
condition, c'était de remplacer

1601
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,040
le bois d'ingénierie par le vrai

1602
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,040
bois. Les deux premières

1603
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,040
conditions, pas de problème, on

1604
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,040
a bien compris. On a un petit

1605
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,040
problème avec la troisième. Le

1606
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,040
boire véritable, c'est sûr que

1607
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,040
c'est un bon matériel. On

1608
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,040
l'aime. Mais ça exige beaucoup

1609
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,040
de dépenses, d'entretien. Ce

1610
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,040
sont des dépens significative.

1611
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,040
On veut bâtir pour habiter

1612
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,040
là-bas, on veut pas vendre la

1613
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,040
maison. Donc, les dépenses

1614
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,040
d'entretien, ça nous intéresse.

1615
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,040
On a regardé la garantie offert

1616
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,040
sur le marché pour le vrai bois.

1617
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,040
Puis, la garantie, c'est entre

1618
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,040
trois et cinq en. Après cet

1619
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,040
intervalle, il faut le

1620
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,040
repeindre, tout dépendant...

1621
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,040
entre trois et 50, tout

1622
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,040
dépendant de l'exposition au

1623
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,000
soleil et aux intempéries. Trois

1624
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,000
et cinq on, pardon. On doit

1625
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,000
mettre ce bois sur les quatre

1626
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,000
murs de la maison. Il faut

1627
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,000
utiliser échafaudages et payer

1628
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,000
une compagnie pour faire la

1629
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,000
peinture après trois à cinq ans.

1630
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,000
Ça va coûter 10 à 15000 dollars.

1631
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:18,000
On a estimé ça. Le règlement, à

1632
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,000
l'article 46.10,

1633
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,000
(---)

1634
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,000
oui imitation, le bardeau et la

1635
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,000
brique d'argile. Le recouvrement

1636
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,000
de bois est... préférable comme

1637
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000
matériau principal. Je veux

1638
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000
souligner que le règlement

1639
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,000
utilise les mots privilégié,

1640
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,000
préférable. Ça parle pas d'une

1641
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000
obligation, d'utiliser le

1642
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,000
revêtements de bois. En, plus il

1643
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,000
donne l'option d'utiliser soit

1644
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,000
le bois, soit une imitation. De

1645
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,000
la même façon que le règlement

1646
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
donne une préférence à

1647
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,000
l'utilisation du bois, il parle

1648
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000
du bardeau de cèdre ignifuges et

1649
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
comme étant un matériel à

1650
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,000
privilégier. Pourtant, je n'ai

1651
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,000
pas vu de maison qu'il utilisent

1652
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,060
dans le secteur des vétérans, ce

1653
01:01:02,060 --> 01:01:03,060
type de bardeau. Nous avons

1654
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:04,060
regardé également les maisons

1655
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:06,060
qui sont situés dans le secteur

1656
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:11,060
sur l'avenue Saint-Louis. Et les

1657
01:01:11,060 --> 01:01:12,060
maisons récemment bâti, dans

1658
01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:14,060
celle-ci, j'ai vu des maisons

1659
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:15,060
qui utilisent soit le

1660
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:16,060
(---)

1661
01:01:16,060 --> 01:01:17,060
... je parle du deuxième étage,

1662
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:18,060
tout le temps. Soit le

1663
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:19,060
(---)

1664
01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:20,060
, soit le revêtement James

1665
01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:21,060
Hardy, où j'ai même vu de

1666
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:25,060
l'acier. Par exemple, j'ai 440

1667
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:27,060
et, un bâti en 2019, sur

1668
01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:29,060
l'avenue Saint-Louis. La maison

1669
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:31,060
voisine, bas si en 2022. Les

1670
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:33,060
deux maisons qui ont été bâties

1671
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:36,060
dans la place de l'ancienne 436.

1672
01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:39,060
Une bâti en 2022, l'autre, cette

1673
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:43,060
année. Deux autres maisons

1674
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:44,060
bâties entre 436 et 438, St.

1675
01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:47,060
Louis. Également, sur Dieppe,

1676
01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:50,060
aussi, j'ai pu constater

1677
01:01:50,060 --> 01:01:52,060
l'utilisation du

1678
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:53,060
(---)

1679
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:55,060
. On a une autre adresse, il y a

1680
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:57,060
un revêtement en acier. On a

1681
01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:58,060
fait des recherches sur

1682
01:01:58,060 --> 01:02:00,020
Internet, on a vu par exemple

1683
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:02,020
que le revêtement d'acier, une

1684
01:02:02,020 --> 01:02:04,020
compagnie québécoise produite ça

1685
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:08,020
à partir du matériel recycler.

1686
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:11,020
Le matériel est recyclables à

1687
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:13,020
100%. Garantie de 40 ans. Donc,

1688
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:15,020
ce qu'on veut, on veut utiliser

1689
01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:18,020
n'importe quel autre matériel

1690
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:20,020
qui offre une garantie

1691
01:02:20,020 --> 01:02:21,020
raisonnable et qui tourne

1692
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:22,020
alentours de 25 ans, parce qu'il

1693
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:24,020
y a des coups importants

1694
01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:27,020
d'entretien pour le vrai boire.

1695
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:29,020
Et on est prêt a utilisé tout

1696
01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:31,020
autre matériel, sauf le vrai

1697
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:35,020
bois, qui pose... qui impose des

1698
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:36,020
coûts d'entretien important pour

1699
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:38,020
nous. Donc, on veut savoir

1700
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:40,020
pourquoi ça nous a été imposée,

1701
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:42,020
la condition d'utiliser le vrai

1702
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:43,020
bois. Et comme je vous ai dit,

1703
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:45,020
on est prêt à utiliser n'importe

1704
01:02:45,020 --> 01:02:47,020
quel autre matériel.

1705
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:49,020
- Je ne peux pas parler

1706
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:52,020
spécifiquement pour tout le CCU,

1707
01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:54,020
mais ce que j'ai compris, dans

1708
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:56,020
votre cas, c'est que peut-être

1709
01:02:56,020 --> 01:02:59,020
que vous pouvez utiliser un

1710
01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:01,080
autre faux bois, mais de plus

1711
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,080
haute qualité. C'est peut-être

1712
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,080
une des solutions. C'est pas moi

1713
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,080
qui décide, on a parlé de ça...

1714
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,080
ce soir, je pense qu'on en a

1715
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:12,080
parlé

1716
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,080
(problème technique)

1717
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,080
.

1718
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,080
- Sur la table ce soir.

1719
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,080
(inaudible)

1720
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,080
un vote ce soir. Mais en accord

1721
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,080
avec les suggestions et après

1722
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,080
discussion ensemble, c'est une

1723
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,080
bonne idée. Après, si c'est

1724
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,080
(inaudible)

1725
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,080
le conseil, peut-être parler

1726
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,080
avec

1727
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,080
(---)

1728
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,080
.

1729
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,080
- Je vous remercie.

1730
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:39,080
>> Good evening, Mister Mayor,

1731
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:44,080
councillors. My name is -- I am

1732
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,080
(inaudible)

1733
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,080
so, I don't want to repeat that

1734
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,080
in English, everything she said.

1735
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,080
Personally, I'm a company owner.

1736
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:59,080
We build furniture. I know would

1737
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,040
need special treatment to be

1738
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,040
outside. I love wood. We don't

1739
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,040
find wood. Traded, to be exposed

1740
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,040
25 years, 30 years without any

1741
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,040
care. So, the question was

1742
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,040
already asked by my wife, so

1743
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,040
thank you --

1744
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,040
>> You are welcome, sir. I love

1745
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,040
would, to. I have a rotten barn

1746
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,040
and working on right now with

1747
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,040
chunks of it falling off. I know

1748
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,040
what you are talking about.

1749
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,040
>> Thank you very much.

1750
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:35,040
>> Conway?

1751
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,040
>> Good evening. Last month, you

1752
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,040
announced, Mayor Thomas, last

1753
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,040
month you announced there is now

1754
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,040
a committee for the windmill

1755
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,040
restoration. And wanted to know

1756
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,040
if there is discussion about the

1757
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,040
amount of money for the

1758
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,000
renovation and, lately, the

1759
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,000
discussion has been about public

1760
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,000
access. So, I don't know if you

1761
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,000
can address any advancement that

1762
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000
there is been in the last month,

1763
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,000
and I also want to know in

1764
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,000
particular for the public

1765
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,000
access, what will that be? Would

1766
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,000
it be outside access, is anybody

1767
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,000
suggesting we have inside

1768
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000
access? It's a building, like

1769
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,000
why would the public go inside?

1770
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
>> It's an interesting question.

1771
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,000
We have more public access than

1772
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,000
we had before, what we had

1773
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,000
before was owned by the diocese,

1774
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,000
the church at the time. It's

1775
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,000
been owned by the diocese as it

1776
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,000
was pointed out recently. We

1777
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,000
could walk around it, we could

1778
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,000
enjoy it, we could look at it,

1779
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:49,000
we didn't own it. How you -- the

1780
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,000
whole dilemma with the windmill

1781
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,000
is it's privately owned. How do

1782
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,000
you make it? It's public, how do

1783
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,000
you make it a public resource,

1784
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,000
something people can enjoy when

1785
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,000
someone else owns it? It's been

1786
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,000
the challenge of the

1787
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,060
arrangement. We had -- it

1788
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:03,060
functioned and lived with the

1789
01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:04,060
windmill, with public access

1790
01:06:04,060 --> 01:06:07,060
that we've had in the past four

1791
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:10,060
decades. We made a new deal

1792
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:13,060
where we considered, maybe,

1793
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:15,060
securing a more firm definition

1794
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:18,060
of that. We strengthen the

1795
01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:20,060
public access by denying the

1796
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:22,060
diocese the possibility to fence

1797
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:24,060
it in in the agreement. What

1798
01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:26,060
happened was, this is my

1799
01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:29,060
understanding of it, it became

1800
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:31,060
-- it then became an insurance

1801
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:32,060
issue because, if you have

1802
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:33,060
greater public access, and

1803
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:35,060
anybody can get there, and it's

1804
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:37,060
free game, then it has to be

1805
01:06:37,060 --> 01:06:38,060
patrolled or surveyed, it has to

1806
01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:40,060
be looked after. We need a

1807
01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:41,060
certain type of definition for

1808
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:44,060
the City to actually surveyed or

1809
01:06:44,060 --> 01:06:47,060
patrol it. My expert director

1810
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:49,060
over there may be able to inform

1811
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:50,060
us better on this. The laws may

1812
01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:52,060
or may not allow them to do so.

1813
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:54,060
This is one of the dilemmas with

1814
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:58,060
public access as per inside

1815
01:06:58,060 --> 01:07:02,020
access, no. I mean, in the --

1816
01:07:02,020 --> 01:07:05,020
the idea is to have a working

1817
01:07:05,020 --> 01:07:07,020
mechanism like the other one

1818
01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:10,020
that was worked on in the past

1819
01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:13,020
in Île-Perrot. There's a

1820
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:14,020
functional -- you have a

1821
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:15,020
functional windmill --

1822
01:07:15,020 --> 01:07:16,020
apparently, is not much more

1823
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:17,020
expensive to make it functional,

1824
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:19,020
and we have the parts that's

1825
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:20,020
been paid for by the Heritage

1826
01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:23,020
Society. So, ideally, it would

1827
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:25,020
be to get a working mechanism in

1828
01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:28,020
there because, when it works,

1829
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:29,020
the sales actually move so

1830
01:07:29,020 --> 01:07:30,020
they're not mobile. We are less

1831
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:32,020
likely to wrought. In fact,

1832
01:07:32,020 --> 01:07:35,020
there are benefits to making it

1833
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:36,020
mobile and functional. In fact,

1834
01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:37,020
maintenance may be less

1835
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:38,020
overtime, plus we have a lot of

1836
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:40,020
the parts already purchased to

1837
01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:44,020
make it functional. I want a

1838
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:45,020
functional interior when,

1839
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:47,020
multiple go inside it, it's

1840
01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:48,020
small, I don't know if you've

1841
01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:49,020
been in it, but it's pretty

1842
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:51,020
small and there, and if you've

1843
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:52,020
got a working mechanism in,

1844
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:55,020
there it wouldn't be a wise idea

1845
01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:59,020
unless supervised or escorted by

1846
01:07:59,020 --> 01:08:01,080
somebody professional. As for

1847
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,080
the committee, we have our first

1848
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,080
meeting tomorrow. We're going to

1849
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,080
find out, your question will be

1850
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,080
better Austin next council

1851
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,080
meeting. We will see where it

1852
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:18,080
goes. Yes, Councillor Stork? Go

1853
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,080
ahead.

1854
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,080
>> Just to clarify I'm not going

1855
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,080
to go in-depth, but we don't

1856
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:25,080
have more access now than we've

1857
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,080
ever had, we've had the same

1858
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,080
access, it's private land, it's

1859
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:29,080
been tolerated. All right asking

1860
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,080
for in the definition of public

1861
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,080
access is through now and,

1862
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,080
through time, regardless of

1863
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,080
owner, a citizen can freely walk

1864
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,080
up to the windmill with advance

1865
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,080
around, it affects not around

1866
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,080
it, inside access, that's all to

1867
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,080
be determined. We want to make

1868
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,080
sure our citizens can freely

1869
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:47,080
walk up to the wind today,

1870
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,080
tomorrow, and all-time going

1871
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,080
forth. That is where we are

1872
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,080
headed.

1873
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,080
>> Just to clarify, according to

1874
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,080
Mr. Weemaes, who I spoke with,

1875
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,080
and the representative of the

1876
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,040
archdiocese, the language is

1877
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,040
stronger. The access -- language

1878
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,040
for access is stronger. That has

1879
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,040
made it more problematic. That

1880
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,040
is what the experts have told

1881
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,040
me. I have read the document. I

1882
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,040
do know they have said

1883
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,040
specifically they're not allowed

1884
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,040
to barricaded in, and that was

1885
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,040
never worded before, that we

1886
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,040
couldn't barricade it in. This

1887
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,040
is my understanding of the

1888
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,040
agreement, and it has been.

1889
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,040
Anyhow, is there another

1890
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,040
question?

1891
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:30,040
>> The second topic was -- I

1892
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,040
wasn't planning on asking a

1893
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,040
second question, but earlier,

1894
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:37,040
there was mention of the

1895
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,040
terracotta mural and the first

1896
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,040
flight. I thought I saw some,

1897
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,040
where or read somewhere, someone

1898
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,040
told me that, at some point,

1899
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,040
they had a plaque, I think, in

1900
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,040
front of Jean René or close to

1901
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,040
here saying the first flight in

1902
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,040
Canada happened here. Somebody

1903
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,040
on May would close to St. Louis

1904
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,040
said his father told him that

1905
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,000
the first fight in Canada

1906
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,000
happened in front of his house

1907
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,000
on May would. Because the

1908
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,000
terracotta public works are on

1909
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,000
May would and Donegani, I think,

1910
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,000
can we not say it happened on

1911
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,000
May would?

1912
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000
>> I'm not sure, can anybody

1913
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,000
answer that? It was

1914
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,000
fundamentally there, that little

1915
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,000
park, the green space in the

1916
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,000
corner.

1917
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,000
>> Thank you. It's been

1918
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000
acknowledged. Thank you.

1919
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,000
>> Thank you.

1920
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
>> Now to the rest of the world.

1921
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,000
>> There we go.

1922
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,000
>> The rest of Canada. Thank

1923
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:38,000
you.

1924
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:48,000
>> Good evening. In science,

1925
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,000
every problem they have has a

1926
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,000
solution, and sometimes, many

1927
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,000
solutions. We are facing a big

1928
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,000
problem disconnecting between

1929
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,060
the City Council and the

1930
01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:06,060
citizens of Pointe-Claire or the

1931
01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:07,060
existing citizens of

1932
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:10,060
Pointe-Claire. To assume the

1933
01:11:10,060 --> 01:11:11,060
problem, to have confidence, and

1934
01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:14,060
before you issue any, I'll tell

1935
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:16,060
you the problem and give you the

1936
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:19,060
solution and you can ask the

1937
01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:21,060
city council if they're able to

1938
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:25,060
do it or not. If any -- before

1939
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:30,060
you give any permission for any

1940
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:34,060
building or any high rise

1941
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:37,060
building, you can consult the

1942
01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:39,060
district city of it. How is it

1943
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:41,060
going to be? How's it going to

1944
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:43,060
affect them, what is going to be

1945
01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:44,060
exactly, so you can get all of

1946
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:47,060
their view from them. If it is

1947
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:50,060
good for them, or, you know,

1948
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:53,060
what he can do before you start

1949
01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:55,060
discussing or giving the permit.

1950
01:11:55,060 --> 01:12:00,020
That is how we start. We, as a

1951
01:12:00,020 --> 01:12:01,020
citizen, elect the City Council

1952
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:05,020
to take care of all of the

1953
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:09,020
problems. Or are not against any

1954
01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:11,020
building or any construction,

1955
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:16,020
but it has to be -- with the

1956
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:19,020
citizen, and existing citizens

1957
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:22,020
of the district. If you do that

1958
01:12:22,020 --> 01:12:25,020
before we start doing any

1959
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:29,020
discussion, or any voting on it,

1960
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:31,020
we have to deal with the

1961
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:33,020
problem. City Council, are they

1962
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:35,020
ever to do that? So all the

1963
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:37,020
problem, people don't complain

1964
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:38,020
because the majority, they're

1965
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:40,020
going to know what's going on,

1966
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:44,020
and they accept it or not.

1967
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:45,020
>> I would argue most of the

1968
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:47,020
people on this council would say

1969
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:48,020
that's exactly what they are

1970
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:49,020
doing.

1971
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:51,020
>> No, no, sir.

1972
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:52,020
>> Not in your opinion --

1973
01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:55,020
>> I'll tell you what's

1974
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:56,020
happening.

1975
01:12:56,020 --> 01:12:57,020
(inaudible)

1976
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:59,020
building is going to go to ten

1977
01:12:59,020 --> 01:13:01,080
floors. We have to go --

1978
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,080
>> There's a health care

1979
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,080
facility going in there.

1980
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,080
>> Before you get elected, not

1981
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:13,080
in the past previous

1982
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:14,080
administration. Would you know

1983
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,080
about it? This -- exactly what

1984
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,080
happened, and all of a sudden,

1985
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,080
all of this --

1986
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,080
>> I will say in fairness that

1987
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,080
we are working on public

1988
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,080
consultation right now to come

1989
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,080
up with an urban plan to avoid

1990
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,080
the problem you are outlining.

1991
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:32,080
>> I understand.

1992
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,080
>> That is why we have the

1993
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,080
freeze, and citizen

1994
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,080
consultation, and we are in a

1995
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,080
good period right now where I'm

1996
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,080
hoping we may, in fact, do what

1997
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,080
you are suggesting, and it may

1998
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,080
be the results, and I'm hoping

1999
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,080
--

2000
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,080
>> The consultation is still --

2001
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,080
if the City Council vote for, it

2002
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,080
-- I've said this before, sir,

2003
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,080
that remains to be seen. We have

2004
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,040
to allow things to fulfill

2005
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,040
themselves. We have to let

2006
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,040
people vote, we have to see what

2007
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:05,040
happens. We can't assume people

2008
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,040
are going to behave in a certain

2009
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,040
way, until the event has

2010
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,040
occurred, or until the

2011
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,040
consultation has been done, and

2012
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,040
we will see the urban plan, and

2013
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,040
whether the public respected, I

2014
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,040
suspect it will be, but he can't

2015
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,040
speak in advance to what an

2016
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,040
outcome will be, in all

2017
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,040
fairness.

2018
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,040
>> I understand, but I'm going

2019
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,040
from the past. Suddenly, we see

2020
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,040
already -- we were talking about

2021
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,040
too many projects -- we don't

2022
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,040
know about it. We just learned

2023
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,040
from the past to avoid all that

2024
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,040
to do consultation with every

2025
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:42,040
district where you're going to

2026
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,040
build it to get the view from

2027
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,040
the district, from the citizen.

2028
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,040
>> Who are not at that level

2029
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,040
yet. We're not there yet. You

2030
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,040
may nonresidential housing, that

2031
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,040
kind of thing? That is the CCU

2032
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,040
or the pack that does that.

2033
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,000
Council does vote on it. We do

2034
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,000
not include residential or

2035
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,000
private homes in the freeze or

2036
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,000
in the urban planning. Maybe we

2037
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,000
can in the future, who knows? It

2038
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,000
remains to be seen. It has been

2039
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,000
suggested.

2040
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:19,000
>> My second question, please,

2041
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,000
because Mr. Cowan, we ask him

2042
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,000
hard questions, he leaves the

2043
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,000
room. It happened with me a few

2044
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000
months ago when I asked him what

2045
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,000
the relationship between

2046
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,000
Cadillac Fairview -- he left the

2047
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,000
room because he doesn't want to

2048
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,000
answer. Last month, same exact

2049
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,000
-- I asked him, what the

2050
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,000
relation -- were why he told the

2051
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:52,000
-- to let the -- I'm just trying

2052
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,000
to say when someone asks you a

2053
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,060
question, they never left the

2054
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:06,060
room. Why did he leave the room?

2055
01:16:06,060 --> 01:16:07,060
>> I will answer that --

2056
01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:08,060
>> Absolutely.

2057
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:10,060
>> In my judgment, the rules,

2058
01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:11,060
and procedures have not been

2059
01:16:11,060 --> 01:16:14,060
followed, in my judgment, the

2060
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:15,060
toll of the room has become

2061
01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:17,060
disrespectful, and breaking all

2062
01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:18,060
the proper rules, proper

2063
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:20,060
conduct. That's when I say I

2064
01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:21,060
have had it. I'm not going to

2065
01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:24,060
sit here and listen to it. I

2066
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:28,060
will also answer your point --

2067
01:16:28,060 --> 01:16:29,060
to make a correction on the

2068
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:32,060
fact, the contractor chose to

2069
01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:35,060
consult with the public when

2070
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:36,060
they didn't have to. They didn't

2071
01:16:36,060 --> 01:16:37,060
because they were encouraged by

2072
01:16:37,060 --> 01:16:41,060
Council to do it. It does work.

2073
01:16:42,060 --> 01:16:44,060
When the public became aware of

2074
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:48,060
a full briefing of the project,

2075
01:16:48,060 --> 01:16:49,060
it started the wheels in motion

2076
01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:51,060
that resulted in the project

2077
01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:55,060
being turned down by Council.

2078
01:16:55,060 --> 01:16:57,060
>> It has happened, and it

2079
01:16:57,060 --> 01:16:58,060
happened in your example. A lot

2080
01:16:58,060 --> 01:17:01,020
of this consultation can come

2081
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:03,020
about through voluntary good

2082
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:04,020
citizenship, corporate

2083
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:08,020
citizenship, between the average

2084
01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:11,020
citizens like -- was talking

2085
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:12,020
about how come I don't know

2086
01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:14,020
about what is going on with the

2087
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:17,020
property next door? There is

2088
01:17:17,020 --> 01:17:19,020
nothing holding back a citizen

2089
01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:20,020
sharing information on their

2090
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:22,020
own. They should. My neighbour

2091
01:17:22,020 --> 01:17:23,020
is putting in a new swimming

2092
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:25,020
pool, a new fence, you comes

2093
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:27,020
over, he talks to me about it.

2094
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:28,020
We work things out. That's the

2095
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:31,020
way it should work.

2096
01:17:31,020 --> 01:17:32,020
>> I hope, in the future, we

2097
01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:37,020
have to work together so the

2098
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:38,020
existing citizens can be

2099
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:39,020
comfortable when something is

2100
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:40,020
being built in their backyard

2101
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:41,020
and in front of them. We don't

2102
01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:43,020
have to argue or to complain

2103
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:44,020
about it.

2104
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:45,020
>> Okay --

2105
01:17:45,020 --> 01:17:46,020
>> Please.

2106
01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:48,020
>> I will answer the second

2107
01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:51,020
question. On a personal level, I

2108
01:17:51,020 --> 01:17:52,020
seem to see things differently

2109
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:54,020
than a lot of people on this

2110
01:17:54,020 --> 01:17:56,020
one. I used to teach in

2111
01:17:56,020 --> 01:17:57,020
university for a long time. I

2112
01:17:57,020 --> 01:17:59,020
would always let people -- I

2113
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:01,080
would run and let people address

2114
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,080
the questions to the point of

2115
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,080
understanding. I would spend a

2116
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:07,080
lot of time at it. So, you have

2117
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,080
seen that with me in this room.

2118
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,080
I have had some very

2119
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,080
confrontational questions put at

2120
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,080
me, especially at the outset.

2121
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,080
Don't shy away, don't leave the

2122
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,080
room. It is my job to stay here

2123
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,080
and answer them. I will never

2124
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,080
leave the room while I'm in this

2125
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,080
office, just to let you know.

2126
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,080
>> Thank you for your good

2127
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,080
answer, thank you.

2128
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:36,080
>> Thank you. June dire?

2129
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,080
>> Good evening.

2130
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,080
- Bonsoir, Mesdames et

2131
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,080
Messieurs. I will keep this

2132
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,080
short and sweet at this point. I

2133
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,080
want to talk to the minor

2134
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:55,080
exemption for 220 Lakeshore

2135
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:56,080
later in the meeting. Basically,

2136
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,080
my question is, what constitutes

2137
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,040
a minor exemption, and one is a

2138
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:04,040
minor exemption no longer minor?

2139
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,040
Under section 145.2 of the

2140
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,040
provincial act respecting land

2141
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,040
use and landing, Council is

2142
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,040
empowered to grant exemptions,

2143
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:14,040
minor exemptions, to the zoning

2144
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,040
bylaw in place, provided such

2145
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,040
exemptions respect the aims of

2146
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,040
its planning program. In section

2147
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,040
145.2, the act goes on to

2148
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,040
stipulate that such exemption

2149
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,040
shall be granted only if the

2150
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,040
application of the bylaw causes

2151
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,040
serious prejudiced, not just

2152
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,040
prejudice, serious prejudice to

2153
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,040
the person applying for the

2154
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,040
exemption. The exemption may not

2155
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,040
be granted, but it hinders the

2156
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,040
owners of the in -- right of

2157
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,040
ownership. The implication is

2158
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,040
the noncompliant element is

2159
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,040
relatively small and minor, and

2160
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,040
without it, not just

2161
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,040
(inaudible)

2162
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,040
prejudice would be caused to the

2163
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,040
applicant. The granting of

2164
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,040
exemption to the zoning bylaw is

2165
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,000
hedged around with conditions.

2166
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000
It can't be granted willy-nilly.

2167
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,000
And applicant can ask for a

2168
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,000
variant for whatever the zoning

2169
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,000
bylaw has established as the

2170
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:13,000
norm. It must be minor as

2171
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,000
understood compared to major in

2172
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,000
nature and scope. Minor,

2173
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,000
according to the dictionary,

2174
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,000
means lesser or secondary in

2175
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
extent, importance, for degree.

2176
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,000
Without it, the applicant must

2177
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,000
offer not just prejudice, but

2178
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,000
serious prejudice. No prejudiced

2179
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,000
to be occasion to the

2180
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,000
neighbours, not to be impacted

2181
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,000
in the enjoyment of the right of

2182
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,000
ownership. Definitely not a

2183
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,000
question of anything goes. The

2184
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,000
question is, quite simply, is

2185
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,000
Council mindful of, and does it

2186
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,000
abide by the limitations on it's

2187
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,000
discretionary right to grant

2188
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,000
exemptions to the zoning bylaw?

2189
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,000
What's the rule of thumb

2190
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,000
supplied in deciding what's

2191
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,000
being applied for is no longer

2192
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,000
minor?

2193
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,060
>> These are all good questions.

2194
01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:07,060
From what I understand of the

2195
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:09,060
infamous 2020 project, a lot of

2196
01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:12,060
this was decided before, and was

2197
01:21:12,060 --> 01:21:14,060
being decided on now is based on

2198
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:18,060
what's occurred prior. Some of

2199
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:20,060
those -- hideaway say it? The

2200
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:24,060
things you may prove not

2201
01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:25,060
satisfactory happened earlier in

2202
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:27,060
a previous mandate, in a

2203
01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:29,060
previous time. What's being

2204
01:21:29,060 --> 01:21:32,060
asked now is an improved version

2205
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:35,060
of the initial proposal. That is

2206
01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:36,060
my understanding of the current

2207
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:37,060
arrangement. As to the

2208
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:39,060
specifics, you are good

2209
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:41,060
questions about exemptions,

2210
01:21:41,060 --> 01:21:43,060
minor, and distinguishing

2211
01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:46,060
between them all, I will pass it

2212
01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:51,060
over to be answered.

2213
01:21:52,060 --> 01:21:55,060
>> It's more a discretionary

2214
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:58,060
bylaw that the City Council can

2215
01:21:58,060 --> 01:22:02,020
approve on. It doesn't have any

2216
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:03,020
definitions in -- the

2217
01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:07,020
>> I understand that, and that

2218
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:10,020
is where unnerving lies. When

2219
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,020
this mine are no longer stays

2220
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:13,020
minor, is that when you are

2221
01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:15,020
asking for a double whatever is

2222
01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:17,020
the normal permitted thing, or

2223
01:22:17,020 --> 01:22:20,020
whatever? Depending on what it

2224
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:21,020
is?

2225
01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:24,020
>> It is case by case, you know,

2226
01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:26,020
that we have to -- its case by

2227
01:22:26,020 --> 01:22:28,020
case, we don't have a clear

2228
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:29,020
definition for --

2229
01:22:29,020 --> 01:22:32,020
>> Should you not have at least

2230
01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:35,020
some kind of rule of thumb that

2231
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:37,020
would indicate that when it's

2232
01:22:37,020 --> 01:22:38,020
this percentage it is beyond the

2233
01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:40,020
pale, and no, it is not minor

2234
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:42,020
anymore? One incident this

2235
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:44,020
number of feet, it's not minor

2236
01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:46,020
anymore? It's major?

2237
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:47,020
>> It's not working like this,

2238
01:22:47,020 --> 01:22:49,020
it's very case by case that they

2239
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:50,020
have to follow. It's depending

2240
01:22:50,020 --> 01:22:52,020
on the bylaw, depending of the

2241
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:53,020
setback. You have a lot -- of

2242
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:55,020
>> That is arbitrary in that

2243
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:56,020
point.

2244
01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:58,020
>> It's a discretionary bylaw

2245
01:22:58,020 --> 01:23:02,080
for the City Council.

2246
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,080
>> Okay, right, well, I will be

2247
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,080
back.

2248
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,080
>> It's quite arbitrary from

2249
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,080
what we are understanding. John?

2250
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,080
>> As somebody had mentioned

2251
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:29,080
before about the church, and

2252
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,080
that, I have a few questions.

2253
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,080
How much money is being put

2254
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:38,080
forward to restore the windmill?

2255
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,080
>> How much is being proposed?

2256
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,080
950,000 from the city, and

2257
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:44,080
roughly 1 million from the

2258
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,080
province of Québec.

2259
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:50,080
>> I'm going to assume this is

2260
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,080
because there's structural

2261
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,080
issues, decay, right, and

2262
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,080
everything?

2263
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,080
>> Correct.

2264
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,080
>> This building is on private

2265
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:01,040
property.

2266
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,040
>> Correct.

2267
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,040
(inaudible)

2268
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,040
as a building --

2269
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,040
>> I've been waiting for this.

2270
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,040
>> It's got wrought, it's got

2271
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,040
cracks, it's got things. It is

2272
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,040
on my property. The city is

2273
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:16,040
going to spend money to restore

2274
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:20,040
the windmill for the city but

2275
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,040
the city wants me to preserve my

2276
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:27,040
tree for the city. Isn't there

2277
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,040
to standards here?

2278
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,040
>> There is. Because of

2279
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,040
(inaudible)

2280
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,040
historic importance,'s legacy,

2281
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:39,040
it was built in 1710, it is the

2282
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,040
logo of our city, it is a far

2283
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,040
more important item than your

2284
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,040
tree. However, I get the gist of

2285
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,040
your point. The gist of your

2286
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,040
point is -- I actually quite

2287
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,040
understood what you are saying

2288
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,040
the last time he came to the

2289
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:57,040
microphone. I felt for you. If

2290
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:01,000
you are liable, there is -- it

2291
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,000
was an interesting question,

2292
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,000
what do you post. I don't know

2293
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,000
the rules on this. I do think we

2294
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,000
have to explore this a little

2295
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,000
more thoroughly for your sake,

2296
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,000
and you pose a question that is

2297
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,000
valid for a lot of other

2298
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,000
citizens. We have to go over

2299
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,000
this one and refine it, and how

2300
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,000
we feel and interpret this. You

2301
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,000
haven't wasted your words at the

2302
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,000
microphone. You have had an

2303
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,000
impact, trust me.

2304
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,000
>> I'm getting more and more

2305
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,000
worried, winter is coming.

2306
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,000
There's going to be a break.

2307
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,000
There is going to be damage, and

2308
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,000
hopefully no deaths or injuries.

2309
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,000
The city put the onus back on

2310
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:41,000
me. All I'm going, if you put 1

2311
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,000
million dollars to a building,

2312
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,000
what you are doing for the

2313
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,000
community, even if it is

2314
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,000
historical, my tree is 75 years

2315
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,000
old, it's older than I am, it is

2316
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,000
historical. Good point. Why

2317
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,000
would I have to be forking out

2318
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,000
all the money? If I look at it,

2319
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,000
it will be nearly $8,000 to

2320
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,000
cable my tree. I could get it

2321
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,060
cut for 2000. In three years,

2322
01:26:01,060 --> 01:26:02,060
it's going to be cut anyway. Why

2323
01:26:02,060 --> 01:26:05,060
would I spend $1,000 --

2324
01:26:05,060 --> 01:26:06,060
>> Hopefully not to years

2325
01:26:06,060 --> 01:26:07,060
because otherwise the investment

2326
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:09,060
wouldn't be worth it, and I'm

2327
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:11,060
sure the arborist's wouldn't be

2328
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:12,060
recommending --

2329
01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:13,060
>> The arborist -- there's a lot

2330
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:15,060
of issues with it because the

2331
01:26:15,060 --> 01:26:18,060
arborist, which the city told me

2332
01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:20,060
to go to you, they don't take

2333
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:22,060
care of the trees. They don't

2334
01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:23,060
cut it. They gave me other

2335
01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:25,060
people. They came and said,

2336
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:26,060
there's nothing wrong with your

2337
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:28,060
tree. I said, it's cracked. They

2338
01:26:28,060 --> 01:26:30,060
said, oh, doesn't mean anything.

2339
01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:32,060
I said -- the city says it needs

2340
01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:34,060
cabling. Put 800 dollar cable up

2341
01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:37,060
there. To make the city happy. I

2342
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:40,060
am going, I'm getting so many

2343
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:41,060
different stories coming

2344
01:26:41,060 --> 01:26:44,060
through. Who is right? Who is

2345
01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:49,060
wrong? You know? It comes back

2346
01:26:50,060 --> 01:26:52,060
down -- in my expected to put

2347
01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:56,060
out all this money? I'm retired.

2348
01:26:56,060 --> 01:26:58,060
I took early retirement because

2349
01:26:58,060 --> 01:27:00,020
I want to enjoy my life. I'm

2350
01:27:00,020 --> 01:27:03,020
dealing with this stress because

2351
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:04,020
every storm, I don't know what

2352
01:27:04,020 --> 01:27:06,020
is going to happen.

2353
01:27:06,020 --> 01:27:09,020
>> Well, hopefully the arborist

2354
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:11,020
have some sense of what that

2355
01:27:11,020 --> 01:27:13,020
danger is, and I suspect they

2356
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:15,020
do. I hope they do --

2357
01:27:15,020 --> 01:27:17,020
>> I don't. The ones that are

2358
01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:19,020
being asked for are saying there

2359
01:27:19,020 --> 01:27:20,020
is nothing wrong with the tree

2360
01:27:20,020 --> 01:27:23,020
and it doesn't need cabling.

2361
01:27:23,020 --> 01:27:24,020
>> Okay.

2362
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:26,020
>> Now I have a problem, you

2363
01:27:26,020 --> 01:27:29,020
want a cable, the arborist that

2364
01:27:29,020 --> 01:27:31,020
are being recommended to me are

2365
01:27:31,020 --> 01:27:32,020
saying there is nothing wrong

2366
01:27:32,020 --> 01:27:35,020
with it. It doesn't need it.

2367
01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:37,020
Now, what do I do?

2368
01:27:37,020 --> 01:27:39,020
>> Okay. You pose an interesting

2369
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:41,020
question -- I have to give you a

2370
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:43,020
better answer than the one I

2371
01:27:43,020 --> 01:27:45,020
have right now. Do you have

2372
01:27:45,020 --> 01:27:48,020
anything to contribute, or --

2373
01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:49,020
>> Am I going to get another

2374
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:52,020
letter saying, well, it's

2375
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:56,020
another legal? I'm getting tired

2376
01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:57,020
of this.

2377
01:27:57,020 --> 01:27:59,020
>> You're making a valid point.

2378
01:27:59,020 --> 01:28:02,080
We should get back to in a more

2379
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,080
elusive manner. I will try to

2380
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,080
get back to in a more lucid

2381
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,080
manner than this one. It is an

2382
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:09,080
interesting question.

2383
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,080
>> If any of you want to come

2384
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,080
and look at the tree, --

2385
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:13,080
>> Actually, I would.

2386
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,080
>> Well --

2387
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,080
>> I know nothing about -- I

2388
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:18,080
can't give you and -- I can't

2389
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,080
give an expert opinion, but I

2390
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:20,080
wouldn't mind looking --

2391
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,080
>> It's cracked down the middle.

2392
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,080
It's simple.

2393
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,080
>> That's one.

2394
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,080
>> Number two, my mother lives

2395
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:31,080
on lakeshore, just away from Mr.

2396
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,080
Bissonnette. Condos are going

2397
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,080
up. I am not against condos, I

2398
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,080
am not against development. What

2399
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:43,080
I have a big issue with is the

2400
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:47,080
infrastructure. It's going on

2401
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:48,080
Lakeshore. The waterways isn't

2402
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,080
good, plumbing isn't good, hydro

2403
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,080
isn't good, and roads are

2404
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,080
pathetic. What are we doing

2405
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,080
about all of this? It's great to

2406
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:00,040
say, let's do things. What are

2407
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:04,040
we doing to ensure the traffic,

2408
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:05,040
the safety, everything that's

2409
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:09,040
going on? I find it's getting

2410
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,040
worse, and worse, and worse.

2411
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:13,040
>> The short answer, we are

2412
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,040
doing our best. The longer

2413
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,040
answer, you know what I have run

2414
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,040
on, and what I believe in. It is

2415
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,040
a concern of mine as well,

2416
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:23,040
whether we have infrastructure

2417
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,040
for the population density we

2418
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,040
bring in. We have sufficient

2419
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,040
infrastructure? Will it handle

2420
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:32,040
well? What will be the cost for

2421
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,040
the additional densification,

2422
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,040
the on roads, on sewers,

2423
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,040
recreational facilities on

2424
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,040
everything public gets the

2425
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,040
demands on everything public of

2426
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:45,040
hospitals, schools, everything

2427
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,040
that comes with. Increased

2428
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,040
populations. It's substantial.

2429
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:54,040
We have to be very sure we could

2430
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,040
handle that. You are right, the

2431
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,040
roads are absolutely a top

2432
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,000
priority, and whether we could

2433
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,000
get around safely. Civilization,

2434
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,000
the head of the traffic

2435
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,000
Committee over there, there is a

2436
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,000
lot to be taken into

2437
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,000
consideration, and you bring

2438
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:13,000
volumes of people into an area.

2439
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,000
We are doing our best. I share

2440
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,000
your concerns. I think I'd like

2441
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,000
a slower rate of densification

2442
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,000
that we've had in the past. I

2443
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,000
would like intensify using the

2444
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:26,000
middle. I would like to use

2445
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,000
duplex, triplex, go above five

2446
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,000
storeys. I have all kinds of

2447
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,000
solutions for that. I tend to

2448
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,000
concur with you. It is on my

2449
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,000
mind as much as it is on yours,

2450
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,000
I suspect.

2451
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:42,000
>> Thank you.

2452
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,000
>> Go ahead, Paul.

2453
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,000
>> If I could make a comment on

2454
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,000
some of yours manse. Number one,

2455
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,000
the roads are terrible, I agree,

2456
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,000
going west. Terrible shape. Hard

2457
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,000
for bicycle people and

2458
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,000
everything. There is no water

2459
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,060
main breaks on Lakeshore. The

2460
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:02,060
statement on water is not good,

2461
01:31:02,060 --> 01:31:03,060
not correct. There's less water

2462
01:31:03,060 --> 01:31:05,060
main breaks on Lakeshore then it

2463
01:31:05,060 --> 01:31:07,060
has been four years, compared to

2464
01:31:07,060 --> 01:31:10,060
other areas, for four years.

2465
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:11,060
Hydro-Québec has been all over.

2466
01:31:11,060 --> 01:31:13,060
The whole system is overloaded.

2467
01:31:13,060 --> 01:31:17,060
This latest storm comes up when

2468
01:31:17,060 --> 01:31:19,060
there's a fuse, lights flicker,

2469
01:31:19,060 --> 01:31:23,060
or whatever. That is not -- the

2470
01:31:23,060 --> 01:31:24,060
roads or the city's

2471
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:25,060
responsibility. They were

2472
01:31:25,060 --> 01:31:27,060
supposed to be paved, but with

2473
01:31:27,060 --> 01:31:29,060
the two buildings going up, they

2474
01:31:29,060 --> 01:31:30,060
delayed it. It was supposed to

2475
01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:32,060
be paid up to the canoe club by

2476
01:31:32,060 --> 01:31:35,060
last year, because it was from

2477
01:31:35,060 --> 01:31:40,060
Milroy between 36, 32. Now,

2478
01:31:40,060 --> 01:31:42,060
maybe next year, we will get up

2479
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:45,060
there from rain or. For sure, it

2480
01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:48,060
hasn't been. That's it. I don't

2481
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:49,060
think your mother has to worry.

2482
01:31:49,060 --> 01:31:52,060
Where is she living? Which one?

2483
01:31:52,060 --> 01:31:53,060
Which one?

2484
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:54,060
>> 45.

2485
01:31:54,060 --> 01:31:56,060
>> Okay. I don't think she has

2486
01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:59,060
to worry. Take care.

2487
01:31:59,060 --> 01:32:00,020
>> Thank you.

2488
01:32:00,020 --> 01:32:04,020
>> Thanks, Paul. Okay, so, that

2489
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:06,020
is it for question period. One

2490
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:08,020
more? It's scratched out on my

2491
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:12,020
list. Larry -- is he there? I

2492
01:32:13,020 --> 01:32:16,020
have his name scratched out. I

2493
01:32:16,020 --> 01:32:19,020
know Larry. It scratched out?

2494
01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:23,020
Okay, so, Je pense que nous

2495
01:32:24,020 --> 01:32:29,020
sommes maintenant au point 5.1.

2496
01:32:29,020 --> 01:32:30,020
- 5.1 Avis de motion et dépôt

2497
01:32:30,020 --> 01:32:31,020
d'un projet de Règlement créant

2498
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:32,020
une réserve financière afférente

2499
01:32:32,020 --> 01:32:34,020
à certaines activités de l'Unité

2500
01:32:34,020 --> 01:32:35,020
de Sauvetage Volontaire de

2501
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:39,020
Pointe-Claire. Un règlement a

2502
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:40,020
été adoptée en 2016 établissant

2503
01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:42,020
une réserve maximal de 100000

2504
01:32:42,020 --> 01:32:44,020
dollars, ainsi qu'une date

2505
01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:47,020
d'échéance au 31 décembre 2025.

2506
01:32:47,020 --> 01:32:49,020
Actuellement, ce montant est

2507
01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:50,020
presque atteint. Afin de

2508
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:52,020
permettre à l'unité de sauvetage

2509
01:32:52,020 --> 01:32:53,020
de Pointe-Claire de continent

2510
01:32:53,020 --> 01:32:54,020
accepté des dons en échange de

2511
01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:56,020
leurs services, et pour garantir

2512
01:32:56,020 --> 01:32:58,020
une saine gestion de leur budget

2513
01:32:58,020 --> 01:32:59,020
d'opération, il est recommandé

2514
01:32:59,020 --> 01:33:01,080
d'augmenter le montant maximal à

2515
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,080
200000 dollars et de reporter la

2516
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:04,080
date d'échéance au 31 décembre

2517
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:09,080
2030.

2518
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,080
>> Who gives this notice a

2519
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,080
motion?

2520
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,080
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

2521
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:16,080
district three.

2522
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:17,080
>> 5.2 Adoption of a By-law

2523
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,080
amending zoning by-law number

2524
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,080
PC-2775 of the City of

2525
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:20,080
Pointe-Claire to ensure

2526
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,080
concordance with the provisions

2527
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:24,080
of the provincial by-law on

2528
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:27,080
residential pool safety. An

2529
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:28,080
amendment is required to update

2530
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,080
certain recommendations

2531
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,080
associated with swimming pools,

2532
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:32,080
and definitions concerning water

2533
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,080
gardens and rain garden, and

2534
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,080
modify and adapt section 5.10 in

2535
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,080
order to implement the

2536
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,080
provisions of the provincial

2537
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,080
bylaw on residential swimming

2538
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,080
pools.

2539
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,080
- 5.3 Adoption d'un règlement

2540
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:44,080
modifiant le Règlement PC-2949

2541
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:45,080
décrétant les tarifs exigibles

2542
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:46,080
pour le financement de biens,

2543
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,080
services et activités offerts

2544
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:49,080
par la Ville de Pointe-Claire

2545
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:53,080
pour l'exercice financier 2023.

2546
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:54,080
Certains revenus qui nous sont

2547
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:55,080
actuellement pas taxé doivent

2548
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,080
l'être, comme le remplacement de

2549
01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:59,080
permis détérioré certaines

2550
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:00,040
ex-... est soucions et

2551
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,040
abonnements à des activités,

2552
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,040
pardon.

2553
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:05,040
>> 5.4 Adoption of a By-law

2554
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,040
decreeing a long-term borrowing

2555
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:07,040
in the amount of $ 19,500,000

2556
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,040
for phase II of the Public Works

2557
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:12,040
building extension project. This

2558
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:13,040
bylaw decreases long term loan

2559
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,040
and capital expenditure to carry

2560
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,040
out the expression work of the

2561
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:17,040
Public Works Building in

2562
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,040
accordance with the 135

2563
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,040
preliminary structural

2564
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:21,040
mechanical, and electrical

2565
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,040
plants prepared by the

2566
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,040
consortium, consisting of

2567
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,040
(inaudible)

2568
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:31,040
and DWB consultants for an

2569
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,040
estimate of cost of 19,000,500,

2570
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:35,040
including fees, net taxes, and

2571
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:40,040
contingencies.

2572
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,040
- Pour ces Do I have points... a

2573
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:45,040
mover?

2574
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:46,040
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen.

2575
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,040
>> Seconder?

2576
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:49,040
>> Seconded by Tara Stainforth,

2577
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:50,040
district 4.

2578
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:53,040
>> All in favour?

2579
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,040
- Monsieur Cousineau, vous êtes

2580
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,040
contre les trois?

2581
01:34:56,040 --> 01:35:00,000
- À l'exception du 5.4, je vote

2582
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,000
pour, mais pas pour le 5.4.

2583
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,000
Merci.

2584
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,000
- Parfait, merci.

2585
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,000
- 6.1, Considérer une demande de

2586
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,000
révision de la décision du

2587
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,000
comité de démolition concernant

2588
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,000
l'approbation de la démolition

2589
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,000
et du programme de réutilisation

2590
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,000
du sol visant l'immeuble situé

2591
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:17,000
au 28, avenue du Bras d'Or. La

2592
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,000
décision du comité de démolition

2593
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,000
était rendu le 20 juillet 2023.

2594
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,000
Cette décision autoriser la

2595
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,000
démolition du bâtiment et

2596
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,000
approuve le problème de

2597
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,000
réutilisation du sol dégagé. Ce

2598
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,000
soir, le Conseil peut décider de

2599
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,000
maintenir la décision tel que

2600
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:32,000
rendu ou rendre toute autre

2601
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,000
décision que le comité de

2602
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,000
démolition aurait dû rendre.

2603
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,000
Veuillez cependant noter que

2604
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,000
depuis la décision rendue par le

2605
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,000
comité de démolition le 20

2606
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,000
juillet dernier, des précisions

2607
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,000
et des informations

2608
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,000
additionnelles ont été

2609
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,000
transmises et des engagements

2610
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:49,000
ont été pris par le propriétaire

2611
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:50,000
du 28... 28, avenue du Bras d'Or

2612
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,000
sur le principal a enjeu

2613
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,000
soulevé, la protection des

2614
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,000
arbres à proximité du site visé

2615
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,000
par les travaux. Les mesures de

2616
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,000
protection à mettre en place ont

2617
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,000
son décret dans le rapport de

2618
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,060
l'arbre et cultures et

2619
01:36:00,060 --> 01:36:01,060
s'applique tout particulièrement

2620
01:36:01,060 --> 01:36:03,060
aux arbres localisées sur le

2621
01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:06,060
terrain du 30, avenue du Bras

2622
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:07,060
d'Or. Les mesures à prendre

2623
01:36:07,060 --> 01:36:09,060
brise à prévenir des dommages

2624
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:11,060
causés par la machinerie que

2625
01:36:11,060 --> 01:36:12,060
pourrait servir... subir des

2626
01:36:12,060 --> 01:36:17,060
arbres lors des travaux.

2627
01:36:19,060 --> 01:36:21,060
- Pour ces points...

2628
01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:24,060
>> I will just keep reading --

2629
01:36:24,060 --> 01:36:29,060
>> Okay. Pour moi, c'est

2630
01:36:30,060 --> 01:36:31,060
jusqu'au 6.4.

2631
01:36:31,060 --> 01:36:32,060
>> 6.2 Grant a financial support

2632
01:36:32,060 --> 01:36:33,060
for a total amount of $ 17,000

2633
01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:34,060
to the Pointe-Claire Village

2634
01:36:34,060 --> 01:36:37,060
Pool. This financial support is

2635
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:38,060
justified by a much lower than

2636
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:40,060
expected Canada summer jobs

2637
01:36:40,060 --> 01:36:41,060
grant, and a reduction in

2638
01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:46,060
membership revenues.

2639
01:36:47,060 --> 01:36:48,060
-, 6.3 Accorder un soutien

2640
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:49,060
financier pour un montant total

2641
01:36:49,060 --> 01:36:50,060
de 1520 $ à la Fraternité des

2642
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:51,060
policiers et policières de

2643
01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:52,060
Montréal. Ce soutien financier

2644
01:36:52,060 --> 01:36:55,060
dans le cadre de la 55e

2645
01:36:55,060 --> 01:36:57,060
collectes de fonds

2646
01:36:57,060 --> 01:36:58,060
(---)

2647
01:36:58,060 --> 01:37:00,020
organisées par la fraternité des

2648
01:37:00,020 --> 01:37:01,020
policiers policières de

2649
01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:02,020
Montréal. 190 report seront

2650
01:37:02,020 --> 01:37:03,020
ajoutés par la Ville, au coût de

2651
01:37:03,020 --> 01:37:04,020
8 dollars chacun, des repas

2652
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:06,020
plutôt pardon.

2653
01:37:06,020 --> 01:37:07,020
>> And 6.4 Authorize the

2654
01:37:07,020 --> 01:37:08,020
participation of four

2655
01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:09,020
(4)

2656
01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:10,020
members of Council and the Mayor

2657
01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:11,020
at the 29th edition of the WIAIH

2658
01:37:11,020 --> 01:37:12,020
- Richard Held charity golf

2659
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:13,020
classic to be held on September

2660
01:37:13,020 --> 01:37:14,020
18, 2023, at the Summerlea Golf

2661
01:37:14,020 --> 01:37:19,020
Club. The city will purchase a

2662
01:37:19,020 --> 01:37:22,020
golf course at a cost of $1,260,

2663
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:24,020
and cover the cost of equipment

2664
01:37:24,020 --> 01:37:25,020
rental as well as $60 to cover

2665
01:37:25,020 --> 01:37:29,020
the cost of the mayors meal.

2666
01:37:29,020 --> 01:37:31,020
>> For six point 16 weren't for,

2667
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:33,020
I do a mover?

2668
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:35,020
>> Paul Bissonnette, district.

2669
01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:36,020
You

2670
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:37,020
>> And a seconder?

2671
01:37:37,020 --> 01:37:38,020
>> Claude Cousineau, district

2672
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:39,020
one.

2673
01:37:39,020 --> 01:37:40,020
>>

2674
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,020
- Claude Cousineau, district un.

2675
01:37:41,020 --> 01:37:42,020
All in favour?

2676
01:37:42,020 --> 01:37:43,020
>> To be clear, Mister Mayor, I

2677
01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:45,020
understand that Council upholds

2678
01:37:45,020 --> 01:37:48,020
a decision made by the motion

2679
01:37:48,020 --> 01:37:50,020
coming. This is your decision,

2680
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:55,020
to be clear, yeah?

2681
01:37:57,020 --> 01:37:59,020
>> He is one of the owners. He

2682
01:37:59,020 --> 01:38:01,080
should have read it.

2683
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,080
>> This is my understanding,

2684
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:05,080
Council upholds the decision

2685
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,080
made by the motion committee on

2686
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:11,080
July 20.

2687
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,080
>> With the protection of the

2688
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,080
trees as been amended -- as was

2689
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,080
read --

2690
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:18,080
>> Like I said.

2691
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:19,080
>> The re-considerations and

2692
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:20,080
discussions --

2693
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,080
>> I can repeat in English --

2694
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:23,080
>> Perfect.

2695
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:25,080
>> That would be --

2696
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:26,080
>> No problem.

2697
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:27,080
>> Thank you.

2698
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,080
>> The decision of the new

2699
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,080
motion committee was rendered on

2700
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:32,080
July 20, 2023. This decision

2701
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,080
authorizes the demolition of the

2702
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,080
building and approves the --

2703
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,080
raising the vacant land.

2704
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,080
Tonight, Council can decide to

2705
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,080
uphold a decision as it was

2706
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:44,080
rendered, where do you render

2707
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,080
any other decision that the

2708
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,080
motion committee should have

2709
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:50,080
rendered. Please note that,

2710
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:51,080
since the decision rendered by

2711
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,080
the demolition committee on July

2712
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:58,080
20, the owner of 28 Bras d'Or

2713
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,040
has provided -- regarding a main

2714
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,040
issue raised, mainly the

2715
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,040
protection of trees near the

2716
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,040
site targeted for demolition. To

2717
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,040
protect the measures put in

2718
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,040
place are described in the

2719
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,040
arborist's report, and apply

2720
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:14,040
specifically to the trees

2721
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:19,040
located on the property at 30 du

2722
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:20,040
Bras d'Or Avenue. The measures

2723
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:21,040
are designed to prevent damage

2724
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,040
caused to the trees by the

2725
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:23,040
agreement during the

2726
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:28,040
construction work.

2727
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,040
And the decision made by Council

2728
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:34,040
is to --

2729
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:37,040
(inaudible)

2730
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:44,040
| | |

2731
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,040
>> Is that my understanding? --

2732
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:50,040
>> Can you repeat, please?

2733
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:51,040
>> If you want to use the

2734
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:56,040
microphone, it may be easier.

2735
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:59,040
>> I'm Pat Baker, I love it 30

2736
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,000
du Bras d'Or Avenue. My

2737
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,000
understanding -- the reason I

2738
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:07,000
put an appeal for this process,

2739
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,000
the original decision by the

2740
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:10,000
demolition committee was to take

2741
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,000
some trees down that were on my

2742
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:15,000
side of the fence. We have since

2743
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,000
done a lot of work together,

2744
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,000
Justin and myself, along with

2745
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,000
Cynthia and other members of the

2746
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,000
Pointe-Claire group, and there

2747
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:27,000
was a second revised Arbour

2748
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,000
culture report to protect the

2749
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,000
trees in question --

2750
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,000
>> That's what she read. The --

2751
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,000
>> I guess what I am confused

2752
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,000
about is, if the Council is

2753
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:40,000
approving the first decision on

2754
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,000
the July 20th, that revised

2755
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,000
report was not part of that

2756
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,000
decision --

2757
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,000
>> We are upholding the first

2758
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,000
decision with that revised

2759
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,000
report. It is like an addendum.

2760
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,000
>> It will be added in the

2761
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,000
resolution tonight. We uphold

2762
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,000
the -- Council pulls the

2763
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,000
decision with this addition that

2764
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,000
will be written in the

2765
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,060
resolution for this decision.

2766
01:41:00,060 --> 01:41:01,060
>> I didn't hear any reference

2767
01:41:01,060 --> 01:41:03,060
to the revised report, and what

2768
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:06,060
you had said. You said something

2769
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:08,060
that my neighbour had done,

2770
01:41:08,060 --> 01:41:09,060
which I appreciate. There was no

2771
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:12,060
mention of the revised report.

2772
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:13,060
That's what I wanted to clarify,

2773
01:41:13,060 --> 01:41:14,060
that that will be followed as

2774
01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:16,060
opposed to the original one from

2775
01:41:16,060 --> 01:41:17,060
--

2776
01:41:17,060 --> 01:41:18,060
>> That is the report -- yeah.

2777
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:20,060
It's the report filed after the

2778
01:41:20,060 --> 01:41:22,060
decision was made by the motion

2779
01:41:22,060 --> 01:41:23,060
committee. It's a report you

2780
01:41:23,060 --> 01:41:24,060
revert to.

2781
01:41:24,060 --> 01:41:25,060
>> That's right.

2782
01:41:25,060 --> 01:41:26,060
>> Okay.

2783
01:41:26,060 --> 01:41:27,060
>> Thank you.

2784
01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:29,060
>> Okay,

2785
01:41:29,060 --> 01:41:30,060
- 7.1?

2786
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:31,060
- Déposer le procès-verbal de la

2787
01:41:31,060 --> 01:41:32,060
réunion du 21 juin 2023 du

2788
01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:33,060
Comité consultatif en

2789
01:41:33,060 --> 01:41:34,060
environnement et développement

2790
01:41:34,060 --> 01:41:39,060
durable.

2791
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:44,060
>> Are we supposed to vote on?

2792
01:41:44,060 --> 01:41:45,060
>> You did.

2793
01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:50,060
>> I did? Okay.

2794
01:41:50,060 --> 01:41:51,060
-

2795
01:41:51,060 --> 01:41:52,060
>> 7.1, je m'excuse. 7.2.

2796
01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:53,060
>> 7.2 File the minutes of the

2797
01:41:53,060 --> 01:41:54,060
February 8, 2023, meeting of the

2798
01:41:54,060 --> 01:41:55,060
Sustainable Development and

2799
01:41:55,060 --> 01:42:00,020
Environment Advisory Committee.

2800
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:05,020
- 8.1 Adhésion à la déclaration

2801
01:42:05,020 --> 01:42:06,020
d'engagement de l'Union des

2802
01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:07,020
municipalités du Québec: Unis

2803
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:10,020
pour le climat. La déclaration

2804
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:13,020
de gage ment rappelle rôle de

2805
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:14,020
premier plan des municipalités

2806
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:15,020
dans la lutte aux changements

2807
01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:16,020
climatiques. Elle invite

2808
01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:17,020
également les élu et élu

2809
01:42:17,020 --> 01:42:19,020
municipaux affaire sorte que les

2810
01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:20,020
enjeux climatiques soient les

2811
01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:21,020
moteurs permanents de leur

2812
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:26,020
décision.

2813
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:29,020
- Ce point, ou...?

2814
01:42:29,020 --> 01:42:31,020
>> You need to vote --

2815
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:32,020
>> 8.1?

2816
01:42:32,020 --> 01:42:34,020
>> Yes, please.

2817
01:42:34,020 --> 01:42:35,020
>> Do I have a mover?

2818
01:42:35,020 --> 01:42:36,020
-

2819
01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:37,020
>> Bruno Tremblay, Bruno

2820
01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:38,020
Tremblay, district six. District

2821
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:39,020
six.

2822
01:42:39,020 --> 01:42:40,020
>> Seconder?

2823
01:42:40,020 --> 01:42:41,020
>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

2824
01:42:41,020 --> 01:42:42,020
>> All in favour?

2825
01:42:42,020 --> 01:42:43,020
>> 10.1.

2826
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:44,020
>> 10.1 File the list of budget

2827
01:42:44,020 --> 01:42:45,020
amendments and the register of

2828
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:46,020
cheques for the period of July

2829
01:42:46,020 --> 01:42:49,020
27, 2023, to August 23, 2023.

2830
01:42:59,020 --> 01:43:00,080
- Autoriser le transfert de

2831
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,080
fonds pour des postes

2832
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,080
budgétaires associés à des

2833
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:04,080
réserves pour lesquels les

2834
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:05,080
projets sont complétés. Grâce au

2835
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,080
programme de subventions 2019 à

2836
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,080
2023, la taxe sur l'essence et

2837
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:12,080
de la construction du Québec, la

2838
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:13,080
Ville obtenu des sommes

2839
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:14,080
importantes qui ont servi à

2840
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:15,080
financer divers projets

2841
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:16,080
d'infrastructures municipales.

2842
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,080
Ceci a permis de dégager des

2843
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,080
sommes en réserve pour ces

2844
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:20,080
projets. Les sommes des réserves

2845
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,080
disponible suite à la

2846
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,080
réalisation divers projets

2847
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:25,080
admissibles à la

2848
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:26,080
(---)

2849
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:27,080
2019 à 2023 peuvent donc être

2850
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:28,080
affectés à d'autres projets. La

2851
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:31,080
somme transférer totalise 3

2852
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,080
millions 600160 dollars et 18.

2853
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:37,080
>> Do I have a mover?

2854
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:38,080
-

2855
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,080
>> For 10.2? C'est pour le 10.2,

2856
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,080
c'est ça? Donc, je

2857
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:43,080
>> And propose, Bruno Tremblay,

2858
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:44,080
district six. A seconder?

2859
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,080
>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

2860
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,080
>> All in favour?

2861
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:49,080
>> 12.1, 12.1 File the list of

2862
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:50,080
delegated staff changes for the

2863
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:54,080
month of September 2023.

2864
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,080
- 12.2 Approuver la liste des

2865
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:56,080
changements au personnel par

2866
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:57,080
décisions non déléguées au 5

2867
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:02,040
septembre 2023.

2868
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:03,040
>> 13.1 Authorize the City to

2869
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:04,040
lend equipment to Teresa Dellar

2870
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,040
Palliative Care Residence. This

2871
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,040
agreement is provided in support

2872
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:12,040
of the residents, the annual

2873
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,040
compassion race to be held on

2874
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:15,040
September 23rd.

2875
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,040
>> For 12.2 and 13.1, do I have

2876
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,040
a mover?

2877
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,040
- Bruno Tremblay, je propose la

2878
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:24,040
liste également d'autoriser la

2879
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:25,040
Ville... Bruno Tremblay,

2880
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:26,040
district six.

2881
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:28,040
>> And a seconder?

2882
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:29,040
>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

2883
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:32,040
>> All in favour?

2884
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:33,040
- 14.1, Se prévaloir de l'option

2885
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:34,040
de renouvellement prévue au

2886
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:35,040
contrat intervenu avec SIMO

2887
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,040
MANAGEMENT et AQUA DATA, pour

2888
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,040
l'année 2024, au montant de

2889
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,040
143744,92 $, taxes incluses,

2890
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,040
pour le diagnostic du réseau

2891
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:44,040
d'aqueduc et mise à jour du

2892
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:46,040
programme de rinçage

2893
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:51,040
unidirectionnel. Dans le but de

2894
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,040
planifier la mise à niveau de la

2895
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:53,040
gestion des composantes du

2896
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,040
réseau d'eau potable, le service

2897
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,040
des Travaux publics mandate deux

2898
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:58,040
fermes spécialisés pour

2899
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,000
effectuer le diagnostic du

2900
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,000
réseau d'aqueduc,

2901
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:02,000
(---)

2902
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:03,000
incendie, l'exécution du

2903
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:04,000
programme de Reims âge

2904
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,000
unidirectionnel, ainsi que la

2905
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,000
mise à jour des informations

2906
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:08,000
recueillies lors du diagnostic

2907
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:09,000
du réseau d'aqueduc dans la base

2908
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,000
de données. 14.2 Award a

2909
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,000
contract for the rental, with

2910
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,000
operators, of snow removal

2911
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,000
equipment for the 2023-2024 and

2912
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:21,000
2024-2025 winter seasons, to

2913
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:25,000
3024407 Canada Inc. also known

2914
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,000
as (Entrepreise   Valliant)

2915
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:28,000
(1994)

2916
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:29,000
, for a total amount of $

2917
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,000
859,783.05, taxes included, with

2918
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,000
the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027

2919
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:39,000
seasons in option. This contract

2920
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:40,000
is required for snow clearing

2921
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:43,000
and snow plowing at the depot.

2922
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:44,000
- 14.3, Autoriser la tenue d'un

2923
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,000
encan pour la disposition de

2924
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:46,000
biens en collaboration avec le

2925
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,000
Centre d'acquisitions

2926
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,000
gouvernementales

2927
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,000
(CAG)

2928
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,000
. La ville entrepris de

2929
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,000
remplacer certains de ses actifs

2930
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,000
en fin de vie utile. C'est actif

2931
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,000
étant de type industriel,

2932
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,000
l'autorisation permet dans une

2933
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,000
optique de développement durable

2934
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,060
d'offrir ces biens à la réalité

2935
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:04,060
utilisation, recyclage,

2936
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:05,060
valorisation... réutilisation,

2937
01:46:05,060 --> 01:46:06,060
pardon, au prix du marché de ces

2938
01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:10,060
articles.

2939
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:12,060
>> 15.1, to award a contract for

2940
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:13,060
professional services for

2941
01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:14,060
envelope work as well as partial

2942
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:15,060
renovation of the basement at

2943
01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:16,060
Valois Library, to Atelier

2944
01:46:16,060 --> 01:46:17,060
Milieau Inc., For a total amount

2945
01:46:17,060 --> 01:46:22,060
of $ 149,130.43, taxes included.

2946
01:46:23,060 --> 01:46:25,060
this contract aims to ensure the

2947
01:46:25,060 --> 01:46:26,060
sustainability of the building

2948
01:46:26,060 --> 01:46:27,060
and to allow the use of the

2949
01:46:27,060 --> 01:46:29,060
space in the basement, by the

2950
01:46:29,060 --> 01:46:30,060
-, Community 16.1 organization

2951
01:46:30,060 --> 01:46:31,060
WICA.

2952
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:32,060
Approuver une entente à

2953
01:46:32,060 --> 01:46:33,060
intervenir avec HydroQuébec

2954
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:34,060
concernant une réalisation

2955
01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:35,060
d'alimentation souterraine au

2956
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:39,060
Parc TonyProudfoot. J'entends de

2957
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:41,060
réalisation visa fixer les

2958
01:46:41,060 --> 01:46:42,060
engagements des participerait

2959
01:46:42,060 --> 01:46:43,060
mettront à Hydro-Québec de

2960
01:46:43,060 --> 01:46:44,060
répondre à la demande

2961
01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:47,060
d'alimentation de la Ville de

2962
01:46:47,060 --> 01:46:48,060
Pointe-Claire et à préciser les

2963
01:46:48,060 --> 01:46:49,060
coûts et l'échéancier de la

2964
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:53,060
réalisation des travaux.

2965
01:46:53,060 --> 01:46:56,060
>> For 14.1 to 16.1, do I have a

2966
01:46:56,060 --> 01:46:57,060
mover?

2967
01:46:57,060 --> 01:47:01,020
>> -- district to.

2968
01:47:01,020 --> 01:47:02,020
>> Tara Stainforth, district

2969
01:47:02,020 --> 01:47:03,020
four.

2970
01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:07,020
>> All in favour?

2971
01:47:08,020 --> 01:47:10,020
>> 17.1. The persons may address

2972
01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:11,020
Council on the items 17.1 to

2973
01:47:11,020 --> 01:47:13,020
17.4. 17.1 Consider a minor

2974
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:17,020
exemption request concerning the

2975
01:47:17,020 --> 01:47:21,020
property located at 220 Du

2976
01:47:21,020 --> 01:47:25,020
bord-du-lac Lakeshore road to

2977
01:47:25,020 --> 01:47:28,020
authorize a -- front lot with,

2978
01:47:28,020 --> 01:47:30,020
whether than the maximum of 70%

2979
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:32,020
permitted, as well as vehicular

2980
01:47:32,020 --> 01:47:35,020
access, with a portion of 11.8

2981
01:47:35,020 --> 01:47:38,020
-- 6.1 metres.

2982
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:44,020
- Bonsoir!

2983
01:47:44,020 --> 01:47:47,020
>> So, I am the owner of 221

2984
01:47:47,020 --> 01:47:49,020
your Lakeshore, which is the --

2985
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:51,020
coordinator of 220. And my

2986
01:47:51,020 --> 01:47:53,020
privacy and enjoyment of

2987
01:47:53,020 --> 01:47:55,020
ownership is gonna be negatively

2988
01:47:55,020 --> 01:47:59,020
impacted if the plans and minor

2989
01:47:59,020 --> 01:48:01,080
exemptions for 220 our approved

2990
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:05,080
tonight. 220, and 221 -- we

2991
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:07,080
formed part of a block between

2992
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:10,080
bowling green and Killarney, all

2993
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,080
designated as houses of heritage

2994
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:15,080
interest and -- of exceptional

2995
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,080
historic value. That is a new

2996
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:21,080
term to me. 220 is of particular

2997
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:22,080
heritage interest, as the house,

2998
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:27,080
built in 1934 by -- who is the

2999
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:31,080
can quarter, the municipal judge

3000
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:32,080
of Pointe-Claire for 20 years

3001
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:33,080
and the federal MP for

3002
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:35,080
Jacques-Cartier and subsequently

3003
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:38,080
a superior court judge -- lies

3004
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:39,080
buried across the street there

3005
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:42,080
in the -- and he is no doubt

3006
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:45,080
turning in his grave at the

3007
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:46,080
prospective fate of the house

3008
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,080
that he built and occupied for

3009
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:52,080
occupied. Because the plan is up

3010
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,080
for approval tonight once the

3011
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,080
minor exemptions have been

3012
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,080
safely granted involve a massive

3013
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:58,080
shift in the centre of gravity

3014
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:01,040
of this house to the west,

3015
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:02,040
involving a considerable double

3016
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:04,040
height extension to the house

3017
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:07,040
and -- across the expanded 50

3018
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:11,040
foot facade and a huge 140 foot

3019
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:15,040
new driveway leading to a

3020
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:16,040
breezeway, a new double height

3021
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:19,040
-- have a window overlooking my

3022
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:23,040
property. To understand that 220

3023
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:25,040
Lakeshore is possibly the

3024
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:26,040
largest lot, or certainly one of

3025
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,040
the largest lots in

3026
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,040
Pointe-Claire. It's 40,000

3027
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:33,040
square feet. So, there is a

3028
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:34,040
substantial red brick house

3029
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,040
standing there just now. This

3030
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,040
huge addition is going on the

3031
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,040
site. And then the original

3032
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,040
driveway is being condemned,

3033
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:46,040
although it is a unit stone

3034
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:52,040
unistone driveway -- over to my

3035
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:54,040
side and all along my property

3036
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:58,040
line, the length of a house, the

3037
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:02,000
breezeway and the garbage.

3038
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,000
Garage. -- 220., So, this is a

3039
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,000
massive driveway extension. And

3040
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:23,000
to make it work, they need to

3041
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,000
double the width, the permitted

3042
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:28,000
with, to make a turning circle,

3043
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,000
so, there is going to be this

3044
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,000
big belly out of it that will be

3045
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:34,000
12 feet. And there will be a

3046
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,000
spur coming, literally, right to

3047
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,000
my property line. And, from what

3048
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,000
I can see on the property

3049
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,000
diagram, there are five trees --

3050
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,000
this is bringing this House

3051
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,000
absolutely, on this huge lot --

3052
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:52,000
huge locked -- right over in --

3053
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:57,000
right along my property line.

3054
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,000
And since the houses on

3055
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:03,060
Lakeshore are noted for their

3056
01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:07,060
expensive setbacks, the entire

3057
01:51:07,060 --> 01:51:09,060
setback, apart from whatever the

3058
01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:11,060
minimum allowed with will be

3059
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:12,060
occupied, and this is against

3060
01:51:12,060 --> 01:51:14,060
the -- you could drive a coach

3061
01:51:14,060 --> 01:51:18,060
and horses through these plans.

3062
01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:21,060
The number of -- it's actually

3063
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:23,060
quite perverse in the number of

3064
01:51:23,060 --> 01:51:28,060
ways the -- it is being ignored

3065
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:32,060
in order to realize this plan.

3066
01:51:32,060 --> 01:51:37,060
And it is not even -- it is not

3067
01:51:40,060 --> 01:51:43,060
done an elegant plan, actually.

3068
01:51:43,060 --> 01:51:45,060
And it's not the answer to the

3069
01:51:45,060 --> 01:51:48,060
conundrum of how to achieve --

3070
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:51,060
this is all to achieve an

3071
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:54,060
attached driveway. They have an

3072
01:51:54,060 --> 01:51:57,060
existing single driveway -- and

3073
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:58,060
attached garage, I should say.

3074
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:00,020
Have an existing garage, which

3075
01:52:00,020 --> 01:52:02,020
is to come down anyway. I can't

3076
01:52:02,020 --> 01:52:04,020
understand why you can't just

3077
01:52:04,020 --> 01:52:06,020
run up there, except, of course,

3078
01:52:06,020 --> 01:52:10,020
it would still be a -- garage.

3079
01:52:10,020 --> 01:52:12,020
But that is what is historically

3080
01:52:12,020 --> 01:52:14,020
accurate for a house in our

3081
01:52:14,020 --> 01:52:19,020
area. And is what the spate

3082
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:23,020
recommends. So, why -- I don't

3083
01:52:23,020 --> 01:52:24,020
really understand the

3084
01:52:24,020 --> 01:52:29,020
requirements to do this. So, a

3085
01:52:30,020 --> 01:52:33,020
minor exemption is being sought

3086
01:52:33,020 --> 01:52:36,020
to make the width of the house

3087
01:52:36,020 --> 01:52:38,020
larger then is normally

3088
01:52:38,020 --> 01:52:41,020
permitted. It's already a large

3089
01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:44,020
house. So, -- going beyond the

3090
01:52:44,020 --> 01:52:46,020
permitted with, you can just

3091
01:52:46,020 --> 01:52:48,020
imagine how big this is going to

3092
01:52:48,020 --> 01:52:50,020
be. It is going to be a monster.

3093
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:53,020
And I understood that the spate

3094
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:56,020
was brought in at that point to

3095
01:52:56,020 --> 01:52:57,020
prevent monster homes. I

3096
01:52:57,020 --> 01:52:59,020
absolutely do not want to be a

3097
01:52:59,020 --> 01:53:03,080
neighborly in all of this -- and

3098
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:06,080
I know you are both here. I am

3099
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:09,080
sorry. But this is not right,

3100
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:12,080
what you want to do. And I have

3101
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:15,080
been advocating for heritage in

3102
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:16,080
Pointe-Claire for the last 20

3103
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:20,080
years. So, I find myself in this

3104
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:21,080
invidious position tonight,

3105
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,080
speaking out against what my

3106
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:25,080
neighbours want to do. But it

3107
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:30,080
really should not be allowed.

3108
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:33,080
Will you suffer -- so, these

3109
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:35,080
exemptions, we talked about

3110
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:37,080
minor exemptions on their own.

3111
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,080
-- the planning program? The

3112
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:40,080
planning program calls for the

3113
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:41,080
protection of heritage, et

3114
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:42,080
cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

3115
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:45,080
Well, clearly not. They will not

3116
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:48,080
be an element of heritage value

3117
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:52,080
left in this house. -- house

3118
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,080
from the outside. But it will

3119
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:57,080
not be a heritage house. The

3120
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,080
original style, architectural

3121
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:02,040
style of the house is to be

3122
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:05,040
concealed. The red brick is to

3123
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,040
be lime washed. It is to be

3124
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,040
turned into an arts and crafts

3125
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:13,040
house, when it is a four square

3126
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:16,040
red brick design. And nothing

3127
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:21,040
about this is authentic or has

3128
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:25,040
integrity, essentially. So, no.

3129
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,040
The aims of the planning program

3130
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:31,040
are not being met, which

3131
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:33,040
requires -- which, acknowledges

3132
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:34,040
the existence of the importance

3133
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:36,040
of heritage, to the Special

3134
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:41,040
carriage of Pointe-Claire and

3135
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:46,040
establishes a spate consequence.

3136
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:48,040
And the so-called minor

3137
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:49,040
exemptions are, certainly as far

3138
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:51,040
as the driveway is concerned, is

3139
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:54,040
not minor in anybody's book.

3140
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:56,040
This is major, excessive and not

3141
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:58,040
allowable. And the whole

3142
01:54:58,040 --> 01:54:59,040
driveway design is exactly what

3143
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:02,000
this -- it's terrible, that

3144
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,000
we've come down to discussing

3145
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,000
driveways. But this is where we

3146
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,000
are at. Instead of Heritage. But

3147
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:09,000
never mind. This is exactly what

3148
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:14,000
is -- in the spate. Criteria --

3149
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:19,000
in the spate say that the

3150
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,000
footprint or parking areas and

3151
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:22,000
access should be designed in

3152
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,000
such a way to preserve as many

3153
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,000
mature trees as possible while

3154
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:31,000
the -- trees -- vehicular access

3155
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:34,000
and other -- but natural,

3156
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:38,000
permeable surfaces. And asphalt

3157
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:42,000
is to be avoided. -- this

3158
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:43,000
enormous thing, a scar of the

3159
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,000
middle of the -- all around to

3160
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:47,000
me and all the way up, 100

3161
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:49,000
something feet. And, as much as

3162
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:51,000
possible, parking areas,

3163
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:52,000
including maneuvering areas,

3164
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:55,000
should be situated, laid out and

3165
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,000
developed. So, it's to be less

3166
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,000
visible to the street and avoid

3167
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:01,060
the creation of larger expenses.

3168
01:56:01,060 --> 01:56:04,060
It is going to be, particularly,

3169
01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:06,060
in my face. And it's going to be

3170
01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:08,060
in everybody else's faces as

3171
01:56:08,060 --> 01:56:11,060
well. And this goes against the

3172
01:56:11,060 --> 01:56:13,060
provisions of the space to keep

3173
01:56:13,060 --> 01:56:18,060
everything green and the touched

3174
01:56:19,060 --> 01:56:20,060
garages subsidiary and hidden

3175
01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:25,060
behind the houses. As I say,

3176
01:56:26,060 --> 01:56:28,060
five trees are coming down, and

3177
01:56:28,060 --> 01:56:30,060
one of the criteria pertaining

3178
01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:33,060
to the conservation of the

3179
01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:35,060
Special carriage of Point clear

3180
01:56:35,060 --> 01:56:37,060
is that existing -- that serve

3181
01:56:37,060 --> 01:56:40,060
as a visual or privacy screen

3182
01:56:40,060 --> 01:56:41,060
between two land sites should be

3183
01:56:41,060 --> 01:56:46,060
protected and maintained. So,

3184
01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:52,060
all this grief -- you can have

3185
01:56:52,060 --> 01:56:54,060
iron attached garage as opposed

3186
01:56:54,060 --> 01:56:56,060
to a detached garage we are at

3187
01:56:56,060 --> 01:57:01,020
currently -- a unit stone

3188
01:57:01,020 --> 01:57:02,020
unistone driveway -- the cost

3189
01:57:02,020 --> 01:57:05,020
the previous owner to instill,

3190
01:57:05,020 --> 01:57:08,020
leading up to -- the existing

3191
01:57:08,020 --> 01:57:11,020
single garage is no good --

3192
01:57:11,020 --> 01:57:15,020
demolish it, as is expected, and

3193
01:57:15,020 --> 01:57:19,020
build your -- double garage

3194
01:57:19,020 --> 01:57:21,020
there, and -- on top of it if

3195
01:57:21,020 --> 01:57:25,020
you must and have the window and

3196
01:57:25,020 --> 01:57:28,020
-- your property, not over mine.

3197
01:57:36,020 --> 01:57:40,020
The problem is trying to figure

3198
01:57:41,020 --> 01:57:43,020
out some way of having an

3199
01:57:43,020 --> 01:57:45,020
attached garage. Does it do

3200
01:57:45,020 --> 01:57:49,020
serious prejudice to these young

3201
01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:51,020
and healthy homeowners not to

3202
01:57:51,020 --> 01:57:55,020
have an attached garage? --

3203
01:57:55,020 --> 01:57:56,020
serious prejudice if they have

3204
01:57:56,020 --> 01:57:58,020
to settle for a detached garage,

3205
01:57:58,020 --> 01:58:01,080
we are a detached garage

3206
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:02,080
currently exists. I don't think

3207
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:04,080
it does. But, who is suffering

3208
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:08,080
prejudice? It is me. And, it's

3209
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:11,080
so happens that this month -- it

3210
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:16,080
marks the 40th anniversary of

3211
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:19,080
our buying 221, I should say,

3212
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:21,080
and moving to Pointe-Claire. In

3213
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:22,080
these four years have always

3214
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:24,080
sought to live in harmony with

3215
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:26,080
my neighbours and have no desire

3216
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:27,080
to be a neighborly in speaking

3217
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:28,080
out against these plans tonight.

3218
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:31,080
And I hope that my opposition to

3219
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:36,080
it as such, as a -- they had to

3220
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:41,080
bring down 100-year-old asked

3221
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:45,080
tree in the summer. It was -- it

3222
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:47,080
was felled at the end of May.

3223
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:49,080
And it made sense to bring it

3224
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,080
down over my property. Fine. And

3225
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:54,080
then it was cut up into enormous

3226
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:55,080
great logs lying on my property.

3227
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:57,080
And then, of course, there

3228
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:01,040
cowboy of a contractor took off.

3229
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,040
I still have, bit by bit, the

3230
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:07,040
wood and the brush on my

3231
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,040
property has been removed. But I

3232
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:10,040
still have half that tree three

3233
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:14,040
months later on my back garden.

3234
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:18,040
And I have been very for bearing

3235
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,040
and very tolerant, and making no

3236
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:22,040
fuss about it and -- I am not

3237
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:25,040
trying to be a neighborly

3238
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:37,040
unneighbourly but this whole

3239
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:42,040
design -- to numerous, in fact,

3240
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:45,040
and I think they cannot be

3241
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:48,040
regarded as the solution, with

3242
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:51,040
the design conundrum of my

3243
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,040
neighbours -- garage. And what

3244
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:54,040
you should bear in mind is that

3245
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:57,040
what you decide tonight for this

3246
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:59,040
house will set a precedent for

3247
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:02,000
this block, for the future.

3248
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:03,000
Because several of these

3249
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:05,000
properties, given how long we

3250
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:07,000
have all been there, are likely

3251
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:08,000
to come on the market in the not

3252
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:11,000
too distant future.

3253
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:15,000
And if the human scale

3254
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,000
Pointe-Claire, 2025, according

3255
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:20,000
to the draft -- if, in the human

3256
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:22,000
scale, objected to preserve --

3257
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:23,000
architectural landscape and

3258
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:25,000
heritage character of existing

3259
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:28,000
neighbourhoods is to be met, --

3260
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:31,000
not grant these exemptions. And

3261
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:33,000
so, the buck stops with you. And

3262
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:38,000
if you grant them, well, I'm

3263
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,000
never short of a quotation from

3264
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:42,000
Shakespeare. I would say, with

3265
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:45,000
my -- a plague on all your

3266
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:50,000
houses. Thank you.

3267
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:54,000
>> You can go to the microphone.

3268
02:01:02,060 --> 02:01:04,060
>> My name is Marco. I am the

3269
02:01:04,060 --> 02:01:08,060
owner of 220. The urine -- you

3270
02:01:08,060 --> 02:01:09,060
are allowed the -- we will still

3271
02:01:09,060 --> 02:01:11,060
be friends -- still

3272
02:01:14,060 --> 02:01:16,060
Don't worry about that -- there

3273
02:01:16,060 --> 02:01:19,060
are many points you brought up.

3274
02:01:19,060 --> 02:01:20,060
The trees, they are ash --

3275
02:01:20,060 --> 02:01:21,060
trees. They are already down.

3276
02:01:21,060 --> 02:01:24,060
So, the five trees that are

3277
02:01:24,060 --> 02:01:25,060
marked for felling, it is

3278
02:01:25,060 --> 02:01:26,060
already down. They are already

3279
02:01:26,060 --> 02:01:27,060
taken care of. So, that is not

3280
02:01:27,060 --> 02:01:32,060
really an issue. The driveway is

3281
02:01:32,060 --> 02:01:33,060
-- secondly, the garage is

3282
02:01:33,060 --> 02:01:34,060
already approved. We had a plan

3283
02:01:34,060 --> 02:01:37,060
that was approved a little over

3284
02:01:37,060 --> 02:01:41,060
a year ago. The plan itself in

3285
02:01:41,060 --> 02:01:42,060
retrospect didn't really make

3286
02:01:42,060 --> 02:01:43,060
sense. We are trying to approve

3287
02:01:43,060 --> 02:01:45,060
that plan. We had countless

3288
02:01:45,060 --> 02:01:47,060
meetings face to face, and

3289
02:01:47,060 --> 02:01:48,060
emails with the Planning

3290
02:01:48,060 --> 02:01:50,060
Committee, the -- Planning

3291
02:01:50,060 --> 02:01:51,060
Committee, to try and find

3292
02:01:51,060 --> 02:01:53,060
something that works, that the

3293
02:01:53,060 --> 02:01:54,060
Planning Committee agreed with

3294
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:56,060
and could also be doable for us

3295
02:01:56,060 --> 02:01:59,060
and our family. The driveway

3296
02:01:59,060 --> 02:02:01,020
being moved, it's the same

3297
02:02:01,020 --> 02:02:02,020
length. We didn't want to move

3298
02:02:02,020 --> 02:02:05,020
it. We want to to go continue

3299
02:02:05,020 --> 02:02:06,020
going up where it is, going up

3300
02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:08,020
across the front of the house.

3301
02:02:08,020 --> 02:02:10,020
And I go to the garage. The

3302
02:02:10,020 --> 02:02:11,020
Planning Committee was against

3303
02:02:11,020 --> 02:02:14,020
that. So, they wanted us to --

3304
02:02:14,020 --> 02:02:15,020
the driveway to the other side

3305
02:02:15,020 --> 02:02:18,020
of the house and go up to the

3306
02:02:18,020 --> 02:02:22,020
garage. In a more straight line.

3307
02:02:23,020 --> 02:02:26,020
What else was the issue? So, the

3308
02:02:26,020 --> 02:02:29,020
minor variance for the 70 to

3309
02:02:29,020 --> 02:02:32,020
74%, it's because we wanted to

3310
02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:35,020
have an attached garage just for

3311
02:02:35,020 --> 02:02:36,020
-- our winters are harsh. We

3312
02:02:36,020 --> 02:02:38,020
didn't really want to -- the

3313
02:02:38,020 --> 02:02:43,020
car. So, the attached garage,

3314
02:02:43,020 --> 02:02:44,020
the variants were also --

3315
02:02:44,020 --> 02:02:45,020
present because we were going to

3316
02:02:45,020 --> 02:02:47,020
be over the allowable 70% width

3317
02:02:47,020 --> 02:02:49,020
of the total project because,

3318
02:02:49,020 --> 02:02:51,020
with the breezeway -- if we do a

3319
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:52,020
detached garage, we are not

3320
02:02:52,020 --> 02:02:54,020
over. With unattached breezeway,

3321
02:02:54,020 --> 02:02:57,020
we are now at 70%. So, 70 --

3322
02:02:57,020 --> 02:02:59,020
percent -- that's what the first

3323
02:02:59,020 --> 02:03:01,080
variant was for. The second

3324
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:03,080
variant was for the turnaround.

3325
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:06,080
So, right now a driveway is a

3326
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:09,080
straight line up and down. If we

3327
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:10,080
drive up to the garage, we will

3328
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:12,080
have you back out on the

3329
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:13,080
lakeshore. It becomes a safety

3330
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:16,080
issue, with the pedestrians,

3331
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:19,080
bogs, animals, cyclists without,

3332
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:22,080
being able to have a turnaround.

3333
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:25,080
So, actually, in the wording of

3334
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,080
-- in the wording it seems like

3335
02:03:27,080 --> 02:03:29,080
it is a massive width driveway.

3336
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:30,080
It's actually not. It's a two

3337
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:33,080
car driveway. The width pertains

3338
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:34,080
to where their turnaround is

3339
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,080
going to be. And it's not a

3340
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:37,080
circular turnaround, as John

3341
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:38,080
mentioned. It's actually going

3342
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:43,080
to be an L. So, we're going to

3343
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:44,080
back out in the al part and. But

3344
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:45,080
-- turn.

3345
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:49,080
>> --

3346
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:51,080
>> The output actually --

3347
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:54,080
>> Okay. -- debate during --

3348
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:59,080
>> Just to clarify, the L parked

3349
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:04,040
part -- away from her house --

3350
02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:06,040
the other two points, the line

3351
02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:08,040
was -- the urban committee asked

3352
02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:13,040
us not to do the limewash, so,

3353
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:17,040
we agreed. -- it is going to be

3354
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:19,040
a I L turn around. -- it's not

3355
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:21,040
going to be visible from the

3356
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:22,040
street. Like I, said we had

3357
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:23,040
multiple meetings. We have been

3358
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:25,040
trying to work with the pact to

3359
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:26,040
get something to drink at

3360
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:27,040
something that makes sense for

3361
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:30,040
everyone. And we feel that all

3362
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:32,040
their issues or grievances that

3363
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:36,040
we addressed -- that's pretty

3364
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:38,040
much all I have to say. I don't

3365
02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:41,040
know if my wife would like to

3366
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:42,040
add to that.

3367
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:45,040
>> Joan, we are neighbours. And

3368
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:46,040
I hope we can always be

3369
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:48,040
friendly. I'm not going to lie.

3370
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:50,040
I would have wished if you would

3371
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:53,040
have just come to talk to us.

3372
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:55,040
Because this is the first I am

3373
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:56,040
hearing -- we were told to do

3374
02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:58,040
this by the City, and we

3375
02:04:58,040 --> 02:05:00,000
accepted. And if they want to

3376
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,000
change it, we will change. I

3377
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:03,000
just invite you to come to our

3378
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,000
property and tell us how to back

3379
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:07,000
out without killing pedestrian

3380
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:08,000
or hitting a car. That's the

3381
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:11,000
only thing I ask, is that we

3382
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:13,000
cannot back out directly on to

3383
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:14,000
lakeshore. It's extremely

3384
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:16,000
dangerous. There's too many kids

3385
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:17,000
going by. In terms of where it

3386
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:18,000
goes -- we are open to

3387
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,000
everything.

3388
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:22,000
>> -- three times --

3389
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:26,000
>> Sorry, folks -- this is -- we

3390
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:30,000
can do this -- it is supposed to

3391
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,000
be directed to us.

3392
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:33,000
>> And in terms of the variance,

3393
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:38,000
for eight to be 70% versus -- we

3394
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,000
purposely set it back from this

3395
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:43,000
-- so that it looks like a

3396
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:45,000
detached garage. So, in terms of

3397
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:48,000
it being 74% from what you see,

3398
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:49,000
even if we remove that

3399
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,000
breezeway, and it becomes a

3400
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,000
detached, it would give you the

3401
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:53,000
same facade look as what we see

3402
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:55,000
there. So, we have really been

3403
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:56,000
trying to respect everything. We

3404
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,000
try to restore. We spent a

3405
02:05:58,000 --> 02:05:59,000
fortune restoring those bricks.

3406
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:02,060
We absolutely love those homes.

3407
02:06:02,060 --> 02:06:03,060
We've been told it's a four

3408
02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:04,060
square architecture. I looked up

3409
02:06:04,060 --> 02:06:05,060
everything there was to do with

3410
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:07,060
four square architecture. And

3411
02:06:07,060 --> 02:06:10,060
all of them have a front porch.

3412
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:12,060
So, I was shocked as why are

3413
02:06:12,060 --> 02:06:13,060
house didn't. -- I love this

3414
02:06:13,060 --> 02:06:15,060
home. I have been walking by

3415
02:06:15,060 --> 02:06:18,060
this home -- I was born and

3416
02:06:18,060 --> 02:06:20,060
raised in Beaconsfield. The

3417
02:06:20,060 --> 02:06:21,060
second I could use where I

3418
02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:24,060
lived, I moved to Pointe-Claire.

3419
02:06:24,060 --> 02:06:26,060
-- been walking by this house

3420
02:06:26,060 --> 02:06:28,060
that 220 Lakeshore I really want

3421
02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:30,060
to give it as much impact as I

3422
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:32,060
can and -- trying to highlight

3423
02:06:32,060 --> 02:06:33,060
everything that is heritage

3424
02:06:33,060 --> 02:06:35,060
about it and bring forth the

3425
02:06:35,060 --> 02:06:36,060
actual heritage architecture

3426
02:06:36,060 --> 02:06:40,060
features of that four square

3427
02:06:40,060 --> 02:06:41,060
architecture. In terms of us

3428
02:06:41,060 --> 02:06:43,060
being young and healthy and that

3429
02:06:43,060 --> 02:06:45,060
-- is, I dislodged my wrist. I'm

3430
02:06:45,060 --> 02:06:48,060
in awful pain. I'm young and

3431
02:06:48,060 --> 02:06:51,060
healthy. But, yes, it's not fun

3432
02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:52,060
being here sitting on these

3433
02:06:52,060 --> 02:06:54,060
chairs right now -- I know, it

3434
02:06:54,060 --> 02:06:55,060
doesn't make sense. -- I love

3435
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:57,060
this home. I love the city. And

3436
02:06:57,060 --> 02:06:59,060
I really love the area. So, I

3437
02:06:59,060 --> 02:07:00,020
really hope everyone can stand

3438
02:07:00,020 --> 02:07:04,020
by us as we try to improve --

3439
02:07:04,020 --> 02:07:09,020
Lakeshore. --

3440
02:07:13,020 --> 02:07:14,020
>> Is that it on 220? Anybody

3441
02:07:14,020 --> 02:07:19,020
else? If I may just comment, I

3442
02:07:21,020 --> 02:07:24,020
do actually own a house

3443
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:25,020
Pointe-Claire from scratch, in

3444
02:07:25,020 --> 02:07:26,020
heritage -- the oldest part of

3445
02:07:26,020 --> 02:07:30,020
the village. The average

3446
02:07:30,020 --> 02:07:33,020
neighbour was, I think, 90, the

3447
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:34,020
average age of my neighbours.

3448
02:07:34,020 --> 02:07:35,020
There were five of them all

3449
02:07:35,020 --> 02:07:39,020
around me. They had lived in the

3450
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:41,020
village their whole life. So,

3451
02:07:41,020 --> 02:07:44,020
when I went to build my house, I

3452
02:07:44,020 --> 02:07:46,020
did consult a lot and actually

3453
02:07:46,020 --> 02:07:48,020
gave them input into the actual

3454
02:07:48,020 --> 02:07:50,020
design. Because I wanted to fit

3455
02:07:50,020 --> 02:07:54,020
in with my community. And so,

3456
02:07:54,020 --> 02:07:56,020
when I say, people -- should

3457
02:07:56,020 --> 02:07:58,020
respect the people that are

3458
02:07:58,020 --> 02:08:00,080
already there, I truly -- walk

3459
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:04,080
the walk and my theory --

3460
02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:05,080
Pointe-Claire -- maybe that's

3461
02:08:05,080 --> 02:08:06,080
not happening enough. And I'm

3462
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:08,080
not being specific to you guys.

3463
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:09,080
But I'm just saying, in general,

3464
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:11,080
it's something we have to pay

3465
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:14,080
attention to. I think neighbours

3466
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:15,080
really eloquently expressed

3467
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:17,080
their dismay on what is going up

3468
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:18,080
beside them. I think that really

3469
02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:21,080
has to be respected. I think,

3470
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:23,080
the same with the property on

3471
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:24,080
Lakeshore, blocking peoples

3472
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:25,080
views. Those people's

3473
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:27,080
perspectives have to be

3474
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:29,080
respected. They live there. It's

3475
02:08:29,080 --> 02:08:32,080
their quality of life. So,

3476
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:33,080
there's a lot of things involved

3477
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:36,080
in this equation. You can go to

3478
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:38,080
spate, you can talk about

3479
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:39,080
heritage, you can talk about a

3480
02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:41,080
lot of things. But for me the

3481
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:42,080
one that is prevalent and it's

3482
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:43,080
been raised a couple of times of

3483
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:47,080
the condo issue is, it should

3484
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:49,080
fit we are moving into. And

3485
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:50,080
that's a really important

3486
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:52,080
variable to me. And I will

3487
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:54,080
reiterate it again. And -- speak

3488
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:56,080
to that. But, for me, let's --

3489
02:08:56,080 --> 02:09:00,040
view on all of this.

3490
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:03,040
>> I would like to speak. But

3491
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:05,040
the proper time would be after

3492
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:09,040
the motion is moved --

3493
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:13,040
>> Okay. All right. So --

3494
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:15,040
>> --

3495
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:17,040
- 17.2, Oh Considérer une

3496
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:18,040
demande de dérogation mineure

3497
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:19,040
concernant la propriété sise au

3498
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:24,040
275, avenue Braebrook. Pour

3499
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:25,040
permettre une antenne implanté

3500
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:26,040
au sommet de la flèche de

3501
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:28,040
l'Église plutôt que dans une

3502
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:31,040
marche arrière ou sur un toit

3503
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:33,040
tel que permis. Une antenne

3504
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,040
d'une hauteur de 28 mètres à

3505
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:37,040
partir du niveau du sol naturel

3506
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:38,040
immédiatement en dessous de

3507
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:39,040
l'antenne plutôt que le maximum

3508
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:42,040
permis de 13,7 mètres. 17.3

3509
02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:43,040
Consider a minor exemption

3510
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:44,040
request concerning the property

3511
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:46,040
situated at 755 Saint-jean

3512
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:49,040
Boulevard. To order the

3513
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:51,040
installation of a wall sign

3514
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:52,040
identifying attendant tenant

3515
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:53,040
with no direct access from the

3516
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:55,040
outside to be situated on the

3517
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:56,040
highest floor of the building,

3518
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:58,040
in addition to the existing sign

3519
02:09:58,040 --> 02:09:59,040
identifying the name of the

3520
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:01,000
building also situated on the

3521
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:02,000
highest floor, where no sign is

3522
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:04,000
permitted.

3523
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:07,000
- 17.4,

3524
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:08,000
- Considérer Considérer une

3525
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,000
demande de dérogation une

3526
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:10,000
demande de dérogation mineure

3527
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:11,000
concernant la mineure concernant

3528
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:12,000
la propriété sise au 5501,

3529
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:13,000
autoroute Transcanadienne.

3530
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:14,000
Propriété du 5501, autoroute

3531
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:15,000
Transcanadienne pour permettre

3532
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:16,000
l'pour permettre l'intense...

3533
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:17,000
l'installation installation d'un

3534
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:18,000
poste de de postes de

3535
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:19,000
transformation électrique dans

3536
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:20,000
la marge avant, là où ce n'est

3537
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:21,000
pas permis. Transformation

3538
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:22,000
électrique

3539
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:23,000
(inaudible)

3540
02:10:23,000 --> 02:10:24,000
là où ce n'est pas permis.

3541
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:25,000
L'installation de panneaux

3542
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:26,000
l'installation de panneaux

3543
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:27,000
métalliques métallique isolé

3544
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:28,000
isolé peints en peints en résine

3545
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,000
sur la façade usine sur la

3546
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:30,000
façade avant plutôt qu'avant,

3547
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,000
plutôt que matériaux de un

3548
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:32,000
matériau de classe A classe A

3549
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:33,000
tel que requis. Tel que requis.

3550
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:34,000
L'installation de l'installation

3551
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:35,000
panneaux métallique de panneaux

3552
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:36,000
métalliques isolé isolé et sur

3553
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:37,000
la partie avant des en usine sur

3554
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:38,000
la murs latéraux partie avant

3555
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:39,000
des murs latéraux sur sur toute

3556
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:40,000
la hauteur et toute la hauteur

3557
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,000
et sur sur 20% de la 20% de la

3558
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:42,000
largeur de ces largeur de ces

3559
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:43,000
murs murs, plutôt plutôt que

3560
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:44,000
matériaux de classe A tel que

3561
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:45,000
requis. Qu'un matériau deux

3562
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:46,000
classes à l'installation

3563
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:47,000
quelques requis. L'd'équipements

3564
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:48,000
mécaniques sur le installation

3565
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:49,000
d'équipements toit dépassant la

3566
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:50,000
ligne du toit mécaniques sur le

3567
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:51,000
toit du bâtiment de

3568
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:52,000
(inaudible)

3569
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:53,000
(---)

3570
02:10:53,000 --> 02:10:54,000
plutôt que plutôt que le maximum

3571
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:55,000
le maximum permis de 3 mètres.

3572
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:56,000
Permis de 3 mètres. Enfin, la et

3573
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:57,000
construction de enfin, la deux

3574
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:58,000
volées d'construction de

3575
02:10:58,000 --> 02:10:59,000
escalier deux volées d'escalier

3576
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:00,060
extérieure, chacune

3577
02:11:00,060 --> 02:11:01,060
d'extérieure, chacun d'une

3578
02:11:01,060 --> 02:11:02,060
hauteur de une hauteur de 2,9

3579
02:11:02,060 --> 02:11:03,060
mètre, plutôt que le 2,9 mètre,

3580
02:11:03,060 --> 02:11:04,060
plutôt que le maximum permis de

3581
02:11:04,060 --> 02:11:05,060
maximum permis de 1,5 mètres.

3582
02:11:05,060 --> 02:11:06,060
1,5 mètres.

3583
02:11:06,060 --> 02:11:07,060
17.5 Consider the site planning

3584
02:11:07,060 --> 02:11:08,060
and architectural integration

3585
02:11:08,060 --> 02:11:09,060
programme plans with respect to

3586
02:11:09,060 --> 02:11:10,060
the property situated at 220 Du

3587
02:11:10,060 --> 02:11:11,060
Bord-du-Lac Lakeshore Road.

3588
02:11:11,060 --> 02:11:12,060
Which is an extension of the

3589
02:11:12,060 --> 02:11:13,060
house, exterior renovations,

3590
02:11:13,060 --> 02:11:14,060
modification of the

3591
02:11:14,060 --> 02:11:15,060
- Consideration 17.6

3592
02:11:15,060 --> 02:11:16,060
configuration of the joint way.

3593
02:11:16,060 --> 02:11:17,060
, Considérer les plans

3594
02:11:17,060 --> 02:11:18,060
d'implantation et d'intégration

3595
02:11:18,060 --> 02:11:19,060
architecturale relatifs à la

3596
02:11:19,060 --> 02:11:20,060
Propriété sise au 275, avenue

3597
02:11:20,060 --> 02:11:21,060
Braebrook 17.6. Considérer les

3598
02:11:21,060 --> 02:11:22,060
plans d'implantation et

3599
02:11:22,060 --> 02:11:23,060
d'intégration architecturale

3600
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:24,060
relatifs à la propriété sise au

3601
02:11:24,060 --> 02:11:25,060
275, avenue Braebrook c'est l'

3602
02:11:25,060 --> 02:11:26,060
installation d'une antenne. Et

3603
02:11:26,060 --> 02:11:27,060
c'est l'installation d'une

3604
02:11:27,060 --> 02:11:28,060
antenne.

3605
02:11:28,060 --> 02:11:29,060
>> -- speak? Before vote or

3606
02:11:29,060 --> 02:11:30,060
after vote?

3607
02:11:30,060 --> 02:11:31,060
>> -- choose to speak on the

3608
02:11:31,060 --> 02:11:32,060
minor exemptions, 17.1, to 17.4,

3609
02:11:32,060 --> 02:11:33,060
they should do it now.

3610
02:11:33,060 --> 02:11:34,060
>> -- she did after the motion

3611
02:11:34,060 --> 02:11:35,060
is moved --

3612
02:11:35,060 --> 02:11:36,060
>> I thought he was talking

3613
02:11:36,060 --> 02:11:37,060
about people who were in the

3614
02:11:37,060 --> 02:11:39,060
audience.

3615
02:11:39,060 --> 02:11:44,060
>> Okay. So, do I have a mover

3616
02:11:44,060 --> 02:11:45,060
for a 17.1 to 17.6?

3617
02:11:45,060 --> 02:11:49,060
>> Yes, I moved to approve 17.1

3618
02:11:49,060 --> 02:11:50,060
to 17.6, Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3619
02:11:50,060 --> 02:11:52,060
district very.

3620
02:11:52,060 --> 02:11:53,060
>> And a seconder?

3621
02:11:53,060 --> 02:11:55,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven

3622
02:11:55,060 --> 02:11:57,060
>> I would like to speak to

3623
02:11:57,060 --> 02:11:59,060
17.1. This project actually came

3624
02:11:59,060 --> 02:12:02,020
before Council in March of 2021.

3625
02:12:02,020 --> 02:12:05,020
And at the time, careful

3626
02:12:05,020 --> 02:12:06,020
consideration was given because

3627
02:12:06,020 --> 02:12:08,020
it was a heritage building. I

3628
02:12:08,020 --> 02:12:12,020
had reached out to the --

3629
02:12:12,020 --> 02:12:14,020
Pointe-Claire to make a decision

3630
02:12:14,020 --> 02:12:17,020
-- didn't at that time. I don't

3631
02:12:17,020 --> 02:12:18,020
think anybody actually -- it was

3632
02:12:18,020 --> 02:12:20,020
during the pandemic, mind you.

3633
02:12:20,020 --> 02:12:22,020
But the submissions could have

3634
02:12:22,020 --> 02:12:24,020
been made by writing. I think

3635
02:12:24,020 --> 02:12:27,020
the meeting was held by Zoom. I

3636
02:12:27,020 --> 02:12:30,020
voted against this project in

3637
02:12:30,020 --> 02:12:33,020
2021 because I felt it didn't

3638
02:12:33,020 --> 02:12:36,020
properly respect the heritage

3639
02:12:36,020 --> 02:12:37,020
requirements, to preserve the

3640
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:38,020
heritage interests of that

3641
02:12:38,020 --> 02:12:42,020
building. That being said, the

3642
02:12:42,020 --> 02:12:45,020
vote carried to approve the

3643
02:12:45,020 --> 02:12:47,020
project. And I'm convinced that

3644
02:12:47,020 --> 02:12:51,020
now -- let me backtrack a

3645
02:12:51,020 --> 02:12:54,020
session session. -- March 2021

3646
02:12:54,020 --> 02:12:56,020
plans if they chose to, if they

3647
02:12:56,020 --> 02:12:58,020
had gotten the permit. And I am

3648
02:12:58,020 --> 02:13:00,080
convinced now -- if they

3649
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:01,080
requested a promise that would

3650
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:02,080
have been given it. I'm commits

3651
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:04,080
now that this project is better

3652
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:05,080
than the one that Council

3653
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:08,080
approved in 2021. I believe that

3654
02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:11,080
the issue on heritage, that boat

3655
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:13,080
sale two and a half years ago.

3656
02:13:13,080 --> 02:13:16,080
So, I am prepared to support

3657
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:17,080
this project based on the fact

3658
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:20,080
that it is a better one than was

3659
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:24,080
presented in 2021. And I wished

3660
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:26,080
at the time the more attention

3661
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:28,080
had been paid for heritage, but,

3662
02:13:28,080 --> 02:13:30,080
as I said, that boat has sailed.

3663
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:32,080
It will be unfair to reopen it

3664
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:35,080
and revisit it at this time.

3665
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:38,080
There is no debate now. This is

3666
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:39,080
just --

3667
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:44,080
>> -- can I ask -- intentions --

3668
02:13:45,080 --> 02:13:46,080
last year --

3669
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:47,080
>> No.

3670
02:13:47,080 --> 02:13:49,080
>> -- so, that's why? I was not

3671
02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:53,080
notified.

3672
02:13:54,080 --> 02:13:59,080
--

3673
02:13:59,080 --> 02:14:01,040
>> Anyway, as -- mom, as the

3674
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:05,040
applicants explained, the

3675
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:07,040
request for a minor exemption is

3676
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:09,040
in fact a technicality because

3677
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:11,040
if they had a detached garage

3678
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:14,040
there would be no need for a

3679
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:16,040
minor exemption. So, they are

3680
02:14:16,040 --> 02:14:17,040
actually making a better

3681
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:19,040
project, in my view, then they

3682
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:21,040
submitted in 2021, therefore,

3683
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:24,040
that's -- I am going to support

3684
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:25,040
it.

3685
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:27,040
>> -- this business of having a

3686
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:30,040
-- it is news to me, and it's

3687
02:14:30,040 --> 02:14:32,040
news to me as the owner of the

3688
02:14:32,040 --> 02:14:34,040
-- and also as the owner of --

3689
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:39,040
>> Ms. --

3690
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:40,040
>> --

3691
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:43,040
>> So I heard -- the association

3692
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:46,040
was not asked on this issue?

3693
02:14:46,040 --> 02:14:48,040
>> --

3694
02:14:48,040 --> 02:14:49,040
>> Pardon me?

3695
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:51,040
>> A few weeks ago, only.

3696
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:53,040
>> I personally reached out to

3697
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:54,040
people, two and a half years

3698
02:14:54,040 --> 02:14:56,040
ago. I personally. I don't know

3699
02:14:56,040 --> 02:14:57,040
about the official, whether the

3700
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:58,040
City did or not. But I

3701
02:14:58,040 --> 02:15:03,000
personally did.

3702
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:05,000
>> Would anybody else like to

3703
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:09,000
speak?

3704
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:10,000
>> I would.

3705
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:12,000
>> Okay.

3706
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:14,000
>> Unfortunately, on Council, we

3707
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:16,000
are quite often confronted with

3708
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:18,000
these issues that wind up being

3709
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:20,000
neighbour versus neighbour. My

3710
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,000
real preference in these kinds

3711
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:25,000
of situations is a long process

3712
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:28,000
before we get to where we are

3713
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:29,000
today's further discussions to

3714
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:32,000
understand where we are failing,

3715
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:33,000
how we arrive at these

3716
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:36,000
situations, where there is a

3717
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:38,000
lack of clarity in terms of

3718
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:40,000
whether or not we are meeting

3719
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,000
our heritage objectives, which I

3720
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:43,000
still think need to be further

3721
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:45,000
to find somewhere down the line

3722
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:49,000
so that we can be -- and then

3723
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:53,000
really abiding by -- and the

3724
02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:57,000
rest of it. This is a really

3725
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:58,000
difficult vote for me,

3726
02:15:58,000 --> 02:15:59,000
incredibly difficult vote for

3727
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:02,060
me. I hear an impassioned plea

3728
02:16:02,060 --> 02:16:03,060
for from a neighbour who has

3729
02:16:03,060 --> 02:16:05,060
lived their most of her life, I

3730
02:16:05,060 --> 02:16:07,060
suppose, who has been a long

3731
02:16:07,060 --> 02:16:08,060
time resident of Pointe-Claire,

3732
02:16:08,060 --> 02:16:12,060
in that particular house, with

3733
02:16:12,060 --> 02:16:16,060
-- exact arguments that are

3734
02:16:16,060 --> 02:16:19,060
really of seriousness. I'm

3735
02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:20,060
hearing passionate views from

3736
02:16:20,060 --> 02:16:23,060
the folks who want to be with

3737
02:16:23,060 --> 02:16:24,060
the house, in progress, and now

3738
02:16:24,060 --> 02:16:25,060
here we are dedicated to

3739
02:16:25,060 --> 02:16:28,060
heritage and making things move

3740
02:16:28,060 --> 02:16:32,060
forward. So, I initially was

3741
02:16:32,060 --> 02:16:36,060
going to vote against the

3742
02:16:37,060 --> 02:16:39,060
project. But I'm willing at this

3743
02:16:39,060 --> 02:16:42,060
juncture to support it. We went

3744
02:16:42,060 --> 02:16:44,060
through the motion that Heritage

3745
02:16:44,060 --> 02:16:46,060
will be kept supreme going

3746
02:16:46,060 --> 02:16:48,060
forward in the work that you are

3747
02:16:48,060 --> 02:16:50,060
doing, based on what you just

3748
02:16:50,060 --> 02:16:52,060
mentioned here, so that the --

3749
02:16:52,060 --> 02:16:54,060
what we are looking at is an

3750
02:16:54,060 --> 02:16:56,060
example of something that can be

3751
02:16:56,060 --> 02:16:58,060
done that combines maternity,

3752
02:16:58,060 --> 02:17:00,020
heritage, and the rest of it. I

3753
02:17:00,020 --> 02:17:01,020
would encourage the neighbours

3754
02:17:01,020 --> 02:17:02,020
to speak together, to get

3755
02:17:02,020 --> 02:17:04,020
together and find ways of

3756
02:17:04,020 --> 02:17:05,020
working on the project. I wish

3757
02:17:05,020 --> 02:17:07,020
this had happened before it got

3758
02:17:07,020 --> 02:17:09,020
to this point. This is extremely

3759
02:17:09,020 --> 02:17:10,020
frustrating for us at this

3760
02:17:10,020 --> 02:17:12,020
table, particularly -- well, I

3761
02:17:12,020 --> 02:17:14,020
can only speak for myself. When

3762
02:17:14,020 --> 02:17:17,020
we have to decide something like

3763
02:17:17,020 --> 02:17:21,020
this -- so, that is my opinion,

3764
02:17:21,020 --> 02:17:24,020
as to where things stand in

3765
02:17:24,020 --> 02:17:27,020
terms of my vote right now.

3766
02:17:27,020 --> 02:17:28,020
>> --

3767
02:17:28,020 --> 02:17:29,020
>> I have something to say,

3768
02:17:29,020 --> 02:17:30,020
please.

3769
02:17:30,020 --> 02:17:31,020
>> There is no more debate.

3770
02:17:31,020 --> 02:17:32,020
There is no more debate.

3771
02:17:32,020 --> 02:17:36,020
>> Even if there is no more

3772
02:17:36,020 --> 02:17:37,020
debate, may she speak?

3773
02:17:37,020 --> 02:17:39,020
>> --

3774
02:17:39,020 --> 02:17:40,020
>> No.

3775
02:17:40,020 --> 02:17:41,020
>> --

3776
02:17:41,020 --> 02:17:43,020
>> I guess no.

3777
02:17:43,020 --> 02:17:48,020
>> As a sitting member of the

3778
02:17:49,020 --> 02:17:51,020
back to committee -- Councillor

3779
02:17:51,020 --> 02:17:55,020
Tremblay, is right -- multiple

3780
02:17:55,020 --> 02:17:56,020
times, correct me if I'm wrong,

3781
02:17:56,020 --> 02:17:58,020
Kelly, please. We talked about

3782
02:17:58,020 --> 02:18:03,080
the

3783
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:09,080
limestoning. That was taken off.

3784
02:18:09,080 --> 02:18:11,080
-- asked by the PAC. Every

3785
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:13,080
consideration was looked at, to

3786
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:14,080
-- do we have to pay more

3787
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:15,080
attention? I think we all have

3788
02:18:15,080 --> 02:18:17,080
to pay more attention to

3789
02:18:17,080 --> 02:18:19,080
heritage as well. But there is a

3790
02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:21,080
lot of discussion of my right to

3791
02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:23,080
see this, my right to see that,

3792
02:18:23,080 --> 02:18:24,080
but there's also the individual

3793
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:26,080
rights of the owner themselves

3794
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:29,080
which, in my opinion, supersedes

3795
02:18:29,080 --> 02:18:32,080
everything else. And as

3796
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:34,080
Councillor Tremblay said, it's a

3797
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:36,080
tough decision. But as

3798
02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:37,080
Councillor Cowan said, this was

3799
02:18:37,080 --> 02:18:40,080
approved in 2021. We are not

3800
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:42,080
debating the actual house

3801
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:43,080
itself. One was already

3802
02:18:43,080 --> 02:18:46,080
approved. We are saying, is this

3803
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:48,080
the proposal better than the old

3804
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:50,080
one? And that is what the -- is

3805
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:52,080
being decided on. Thank you.

3806
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:56,080
>> Anyone else?

3807
02:18:56,080 --> 02:18:58,080
>> Am I allowed to speak -- only

3808
02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:01,040
one time, right? Or --

3809
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:02,040
>> Sorry.

3810
02:19:02,040 --> 02:19:03,040
>> -- a chance to speak to you

3811
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:04,040
later.

3812
02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:09,040
>> Okay. Four for 17.1 --

3813
02:19:12,040 --> 02:19:13,040
>> We need to vote --

3814
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:18,040
>> -- all those in favour? All

3815
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:21,040
right. 17.7?

3816
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:22,040
>> 17.7 -- to consider site

3817
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:23,040
planning and architectural

3818
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:24,040
integration programme plans with

3819
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:25,040
respect to the property situated

3820
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:28,040
at 28 Du Bras d'Or Avenue. Which

3821
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:30,040
is the -- and new constructions.

3822
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:33,040
- Considérer les plans

3823
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:34,040
d'implantation et d'intégration

3824
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:35,040
architecturale relatifs à la

3825
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:37,040
propriété du 108, avenue de

3826
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:38,040
Breslay, c'est une dévolution et

3827
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:39,040
une nouvelle construction. 17.8

3828
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:41,040
Consider the site planning and

3829
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:42,040
architectural integration

3830
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:43,040
programme plans with respect to

3831
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:44,040
the property situated at 108 De

3832
02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:48,040
Breslay Avenue.

3833
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:50,040
- Which is also demolition a new

3834
02:19:50,040 --> 02:19:51,040
construction.

3835
02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:52,040
17.9, Considérer les plans

3836
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:53,040
d'implantation et d'intégration

3837
02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:54,040
architecturale relatifs à la

3838
02:19:54,040 --> 02:19:55,040
propriété sise au 130, avenue de

3839
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:59,040
Dieppe. Une modification de

3840
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:01,000
rentrer charretière. 17.10

3841
02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:02,000
Consider the site planning and

3842
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:03,000
architectural integration

3843
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:04,000
programme plans with respect to

3844
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:05,000
the property situated at 64

3845
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:10,000
Donegani Avenue. Which is an

3846
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:11,000
-

3847
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:12,000
- Extension exterior renovation.

3848
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:13,000
17.11, Considérer les plans

3849
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:14,000
d'implantation et d'intégration

3850
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:15,000
architecturale relatifs à la

3851
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:16,000
propriété sise au 397, avenue

3852
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,000
Saint-Louis. Suite à une

3853
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:19,000
sous-divisions les nouvelles

3854
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:24,000
constructions. For 17.7 to

3855
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,000
17.11, do I have a mover?

3856
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:34,000
>> Can you just clarify 17.11,

3857
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:35,000
the sentence modification?

3858
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:37,000
>> Yes, there will be ordered a

3859
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:38,000
higher quality of engineered

3860
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:43,000
would. Wood.

3861
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:47,000
>> -- only wood. It's higher

3862
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:49,000
quality engineered wood. -- do I

3863
02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:54,000
have a mover?

3864
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:00,060
- Claude Cousineau, district un.

3865
02:21:01,060 --> 02:21:02,060
>> And a seconder?

3866
02:21:02,060 --> 02:21:04,060
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3867
02:21:06,060 --> 02:21:07,060
- 17.13, Approuver les critères

3868
02:21:07,060 --> 02:21:08,060
d'évaluation à employer dans le

3869
02:21:08,060 --> 02:21:09,060
cadre d'un appel d'offres devant

3870
02:21:09,060 --> 02:21:10,060
être lancé pour des services

3871
02:21:10,060 --> 02:21:11,060
professionnels en évaluation et

3872
02:21:11,060 --> 02:21:14,060
inspection immobilière. Cette

3873
02:21:14,060 --> 02:21:15,060
approbation vise la grille

3874
02:21:15,060 --> 02:21:17,060
d'analyse et les critères de

3875
02:21:17,060 --> 02:21:18,060
sélection requis dans le but de

3876
02:21:18,060 --> 02:21:20,060
retenir les services

3877
02:21:20,060 --> 02:21:21,060
professionnels d'une firme

3878
02:21:21,060 --> 02:21:22,060
spécialisée en inspection de

3879
02:21:22,060 --> 02:21:23,060
bâtiments et évaluations

3880
02:21:23,060 --> 02:21:28,060
immobilière.

3881
02:21:28,060 --> 02:21:31,060
>> 18.1. Approval needs to be

3882
02:21:31,060 --> 02:21:36,060
entered into with Caesar Cesar

3883
02:21:37,060 --> 02:21:38,060
Manuel, carrying on business

3884
02:21:38,060 --> 02:21:41,060
under the legal name of Mon Kape

3885
02:21:41,060 --> 02:21:42,060
(9491-2888

3886
02:21:42,060 --> 02:21:43,060
>> -- food concession at the

3887
02:21:43,060 --> 02:21:47,060
Olive-Urquhart Sports Center. --

3888
02:21:47,060 --> 02:21:50,060
then be automatically renewed

3889
02:21:50,060 --> 02:21:51,060
for four successive periods of

3890
02:21:51,060 --> 02:21:52,060
12 months. The rent is set at

3891
02:21:52,060 --> 02:21:54,060
$1,200 per month.

3892
02:21:54,060 --> 02:21:55,060
- 18.2, Approuver une entente à

3893
02:21:55,060 --> 02:21:56,060
intervenir avec le Club

3894
02:21:56,060 --> 02:21:57,060
aquatique de Pointe-Claire Inc.

3895
02:21:57,060 --> 02:21:58,060
concernant l'établissement des

3896
02:21:58,060 --> 02:21:59,060
lignes directrices de

3897
02:21:59,060 --> 02:22:00,020
fonctionnement du Club, les

3898
02:22:00,020 --> 02:22:01,020
modalités et les conditions

3899
02:22:01,020 --> 02:22:02,020
relatives au versement, par la

3900
02:22:02,020 --> 02:22:03,020
Ville, d'une subvention annuelle

3901
02:22:03,020 --> 02:22:05,020
de fonctionnement et à la mise à

3902
02:22:05,020 --> 02:22:07,020
disposition du Club des

3903
02:22:07,020 --> 02:22:09,020
installations et du matériel

3904
02:22:09,020 --> 02:22:10,020
nécessaires à la réalisation de

3905
02:22:10,020 --> 02:22:15,020
tout plan d'action.

3906
02:22:19,020 --> 02:22:23,020
>> For our 17 point -- do I have

3907
02:22:23,020 --> 02:22:24,020
- Brent a mover? Cowan, district

3908
02:22:24,020 --> 02:22:25,020
numéro 8.

3909
02:22:25,020 --> 02:22:26,020
>> Brent Cowan --

3910
02:22:26,020 --> 02:22:27,020
>> --

3911
02:22:27,020 --> 02:22:30,020
>> -- all in favour?

3912
02:22:30,020 --> 02:22:32,020
>> So, 18.3, approve financial

3913
02:22:32,020 --> 02:22:33,020
assistance agreement to be

3914
02:22:33,020 --> 02:22:34,020
entered into with Service

3915
02:22:34,020 --> 02:22:35,020
national des sauveteurs inc.

3916
02:22:35,020 --> 02:22:40,020
Within the framework of the --

3917
02:22:42,020 --> 02:22:43,020
the financial assistance shall

3918
02:22:43,020 --> 02:22:48,020
be in the amount of $93,378 for

3919
02:22:49,020 --> 02:22:51,020
the lifesaving in --

3920
02:22:51,020 --> 02:22:52,020
Pointe-Claire aquatic center for

3921
02:22:52,020 --> 02:22:54,020
the autumn 2023 session,

3922
02:22:54,020 --> 02:22:55,020
initially, and for the year

3923
02:22:55,020 --> 02:22:58,020
2024. If the grant amount is

3924
02:22:58,020 --> 02:22:59,020
revised during the session, the

3925
02:22:59,020 --> 02:23:00,080
grant will cover labour costs

3926
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:01,080
and the costs of teaching

3927
02:23:01,080 --> 02:23:05,080
materials.

3928
02:23:05,080 --> 02:23:08,080
>> Do I have a mover?

3929
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:10,080
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3930
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:14,080
>> And a seconder?

3931
02:23:15,080 --> 02:23:16,080
>> Cynthia Homan, district

3932
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:18,080
seven.

3933
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:21,080
>> Foreclosure, do I have a

3934
02:23:21,080 --> 02:23:24,080
mover?

3935
02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:26,080
>> Tara Stainforth, district --

3936
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:27,080
>> And

3937
02:23:27,080 --> 02:23:29,080
- Merci. A seconder?

3938
02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:30,080
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3939
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:31,080
district three.

3940
02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:33,080
>> Thanks folks.