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- Bonsoir, Mesdames et

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Bonsoir, Mesdames et Messieurs,

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et bienvenue à cette séance

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ordinaire du 3 octobre 2023.

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Programmation. Même si nous

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sommes au mois d'octobre, il

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fait encore très chaud... on est

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chanceux! Nos jeux d'eau sont

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toujours ouverts, mais ils vont

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fermer lundi prochain, le 9

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octobre, alors que la météo

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d'automne s'installera partout.

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programmation pour la fin de

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l'automne et l'hiver, mais

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présentement, nous avons deux

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expositions très spéciales qui

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sont en cours. La première est à

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la salle d'exposition de Stewart

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Hall. Jusqu'au 22 octobre, vous

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l'artiste Andréanne

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Abbondanza-Bergeron intitulée

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d'exposition. La deuxième est à

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la bibliothèque centrale,

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intitulée Sur une berge près de

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chez vous. Cette dernière a été

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réalisée à partir de matières

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plastiques et médias collectés

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un peu partout sur les berges

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créatrice multidisciplinaire

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de l'Organisation Bleue, est

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aussi biologiste marine. Vous

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visiter cette exposition.

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>> Good evening, ladies and

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gentlemen, welcome to our

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meeting, October 3rd, 2023. Even

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splash pads are still open, but

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October 9th as the fall weather

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settles in. We are preparing our

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programming for late autumn and

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winter, but right now we have

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two very special expeditions

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exposition's underway, the first

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at Stewart Hall exhibition hall,

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where until October 22nd you can

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visit the work of Andrea and --

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breakaways, made from industrial

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expedition space. The second one

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is at the central library,

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entitled on a shoreline near

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you. It's a contemporary visual

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and multi media art exhibition

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created entirely from plastic

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and media materials collected

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from all over Québec and

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Canadian shorelines. It's multi

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Anne-Marie as a law, founder of

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the blue coalition, is also a

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marine biologist. The ex

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citoyennes et citoyens à prendre

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part au quatrième atelier de

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participation citoyenne de

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révision du plan d'urbanisme,

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de vous présenter différentes

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façons de contribuer à la ville

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résiliente et au développement

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urbain durable. En plus, c'est

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une belle occasion d'échanger

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sur votre vision de l'avenir de

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la Ville de Pointe-Claire. Pour

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participer, il est important de

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réserver votre place en

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remplissant le formulaire au

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plus tard le jeudi 19 octobre, à

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>> Urban plan. The city of

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Pointe-Claire invited citizens

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to take part in the fourth

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collaborative workshop as part

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of its planning program review

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process. The event will be held

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sustainable urban development.

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present different ways and which

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citizens can and do contribute

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to the resilient city and

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sustainable urban development.

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forum no later than Thursday

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Action de grâces. Horaires des

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services municipaux. En raison

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que la Bibliothèque publique et

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le Centre culturel Stewart Hall,

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2023. Le Centre aquatique de

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site Web de la Ville. L'aréna

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ville et les services

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cultural centre will be closed

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special operating hours, visit

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directeur général adjoint, qui

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sera d'un grand soutien pour

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notre direct très ce générale et

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qu'il sera... saura mener à bien

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les nombreux dossiers et projets

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de notre ville qui lui seront

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>> In closing let regulators are

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new assistant city manager who

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that he will be of great support

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to our city manager, Karina

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fouled on, and that he will

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successfully complete the many

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5th and of course the topic is

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Fairview forest. It is right in

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our city. And then there are two

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examples. Many people only wish

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to sign in person signature

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petitions or, I call them

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awareness statements. It doesn't

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have to be called a petition. On

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one of the four statements my

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husband and I have reduced the

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intro to say we must have a

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sustained citizens, we must have

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a sustained presence with the

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four representatives of

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government and to let them know

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that we are aware and we expect

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action, not just more words and

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more planning and more planning.

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Because the 21st century waits

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for no one. Almost everywhere,

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almost somewhere in this world,

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every day, we hear about some

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place that is on life support,

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at least temporarily,

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unfortunately. As a an intro to

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this, September 29th, the

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Pointe-Claire info letter lead

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with you M Q. I hate acronyms. I

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hate little abbreviations,

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because they mean nothing. It

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means the United municipalities

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of Québec. I guess Mayor Thomas,

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you are at that meeting when

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there was a significant signing

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of, we are going to work

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together because biodiversity or

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the lack of keeping our

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biodiversity is killing us.

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Those are my words. Now, as we

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know with the U.N. and we know

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with world leaders, carp, et

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cetera, they get together year

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after year and with great

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proposals, but they don't move

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it forward. So unfortunately

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that is why I am here today and

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while I don't know if that was

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from -- or from Les narrow from,

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some months ago, they don't

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believe that any allowable of

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government, municipal on up, can

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get the job done, and that's why

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they peddled their ideas, their

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concerns. And at age 76, as I

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said, in July was I'm not here

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for myself and I'm sure there's

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gonna be enough trees by the

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time I depart but we have to

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give youth a feeling of hope. We

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have to let them breathe and not

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these would Mères au front, they

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talk about and know about the

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anxiety of children, I've young

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adults, mental issues. And they

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are feeling that their future is

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possibly quite hopeless. Maybe

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it is, as some of us has

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discussed, but as long as we are

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on this earth we have to do what

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we can to enable a livable, a

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viable future until some and. I

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so the first mention, so if as I

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am asking, as I ask you in July,

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when Mr. Cowan chaired the

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evening, to please study what is

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in front of you, find a few

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adults in each of your ridings

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who will contact me. You've got

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my email, my phone number, who

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will contact me to help us

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engage your, our constituents, I

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mean I've been speaking to a lot

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of people. Some of them don't

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know, even though they know

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about Fairview shopping centre,

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they don't know that the

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Fairview forest is that very

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green spot, thankfully, that's

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still there, and quite frankly

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they don't really know it's

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significance and what it does.

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And I feel that, as I said in

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July, this is your legacy

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mandate, whether you know it or

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not. Please, you've got to get

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out of the 20th century, the 19

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80s. Greed is good, et cetera at

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satirized. And you have to

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embrace the 21st century. You

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have to say goodbye to your

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former alliances and we your

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groupings. You have to think

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ethically and individually each

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day. To give hope to our youth.

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So this package contains written

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and graphic material to bring

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awareness to each of your

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constituents. I'm going to start

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walking around walk. Last week

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was the 150th week of save

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Fairview forest. The troopers

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with their banners and of course

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their website, which is just

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full of knowledge. And so I went

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to, I guess, about 100 homes,

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hanging things at that senior-y.

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Mr. Tremblay, you weren't there,

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you weren't able to be there,

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unfortunately. And I guess I

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used to be in direct

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advertising, the poll the poll

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was possibly 5%, which is

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considered not too bad. So maybe

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about 30 people showed up. And,

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oh, one last thing, because I

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know the list isn't long. To Ms.

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Holman and Ms. Cullen, who

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shouted out at me in July,

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saying no you can't, maybe you

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don't remember what you shouted

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that out about, well, the answer

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is, yes I can. I went to the

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legal department, and yes, 90

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minutes is afforded us. It

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depends on the nature of what is

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being presented. I do not call

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myself a question period person.

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I call myself, this is a citizen

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period, I have made statements.

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I will not ask you a question,

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because hopefully you have been

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listening, and so my question

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is, what is your response? Now

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usually there is no response.

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This is my third time. And there

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is never an adequate response.

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But if anyone as you, and this

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is the second time in a row that

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I've asked each of you

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councillors to tell me what are

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you doing to bring awareness

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about this very serious issue to

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your constituents? Thank you.

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[Applause]

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>> And democracies you can't

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clap. Thank you.

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>> Thanks, Miss dullness. Is a

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question you like me to answer

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in there personally? Or would

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you like me to answer a

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question.

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>> I don't know. What can you

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do? A lot of people don't like

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you. I like you.

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>> I find more do then don't.

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>> But maybe if you were -- I

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think you do a lot more because

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I think each one of you is first

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and foremost a citizen of this

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earth. --

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>> Okay. I can answer. Does

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anyone else? No, okay. My first

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sort of response to your

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presentation is that I wouldn't

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call the future hopeless myself.

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[Inaudible]

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>> I firmly believe in Fell's

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self fulfilling prophecy. You

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have to be careful of the self

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fulfilling prophecy. If you

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think there is hope, there is

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hope. If you don't, it doesn't

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help you be an activist. You're

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only an activist if you have

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hope. So my last published line

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was, without hope there can be

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no solutions. So I wouldn't

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advocate that it's hopeless. I

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think it still isn't until we're

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gone. So I would keep trying.

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And a lot of us, in our own

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ways, do keep trying. There is a

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building freeze in the city of

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Pointe-Claire which is a

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positive initiative. There is a

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CMM building freeze as well, and

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a Pointe-Claire building freeze.

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It's not as -- if

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[Inaudible]

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>> CMM. Municipality of

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Montréal. Yes.

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[Inaudible]

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>> Two different things.

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>> Yeah, yeah, to specify. My

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point is that there are two

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interim control measures on the

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Fairview forest. It's not like

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no one's done anything. There

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has been some positive --

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[Inaudible]

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>> We all voted it in. So there

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has been something done. There

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has been something done. It's

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not like hope is futile. Can

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more be done? More can always be

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done. To save the planet it is

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all about positive initiatives

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in our daily life. Everything we

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contribute and do to make the

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world a better place is what I

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would encourage everybody to do.

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[Inaudible]

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About three months ago and no

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longer going to --

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>> Oh, the butterfly, the

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milkweed. Okay.

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>> And it all costs

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[Inaudible]

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25 years, 30 years.

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>> And unfortunately saving

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green space has a cost as well.

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Governments have budgets. That's

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a huge part of the problem.

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>> It's not a problem. It's

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worldwide

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[Inaudible]

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-- it's an economical way to

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move forward.

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>> Yes. In other words the

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cheapest way of protecting the

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environment is to not to --.

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Okay. Thank you, Ms. Dumas. And

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sorry for the mispronounced CA

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shun of your name. Kurt Mueller?

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>> Good evening, everyone.

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Mister Mayor, councillors. At

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one for seven --, Pointe-Claire,

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and about a month ago I became

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extremely concerned with the

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level of traffic and the speed

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of which the traffic is going on

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or street. I took it upon myself

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to call Claude Cousineau, and he

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encouraged me to write an email

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suggesting what the problem

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statement wise. I see it as

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being three fault. Effectively

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the first concern is the level

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of traffic on or street has

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probably increased. I'm going

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about this in a very qualitative

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way, since I don't have the data

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to support how much the numbers

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have increased. But certainly to

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my best estimation, the numbers

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have increased by twofold to

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threefold over the last 15

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years. So in the morning, during

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the rush hour, it's at the point

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where we can hardly get out of

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her driveways because it is

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continuous traffic up and down

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the street. You know where the

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rush is, it has effectively

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become a by street. I think what

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is happening is people are no

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longer using safe travels and

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Beaconsfield, but they're coming

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down -- street to beat the light

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on St. Charles. My best

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estimation is that about 95% of

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the traffic in the morning is

557
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,080
not local. It's certainly just

558
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,040
uses A through point. Street.

559
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,040
The second concern we have, or I

560
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:06,040
have, is that for the most part

561
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,040
the speed exceeds the 40

562
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,040
kilometer number. The reason

563
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,040
that I say that is because about

564
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,040
a month ago the city of

565
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,040
Pointe-Claire put up a seed

566
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,040
monitor on our street so I sat

567
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,040
there one day and counted 100

568
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,040
cars because they wanted the

569
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,040
numbers to the significant. So

570
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,040
effectively I counted 100 cars

571
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,040
and I found that roughly 70% of

572
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,040
the cars were exceeding the

573
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,040
speed limit. The downside with

574
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,040
the monitoring system that you

575
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,040
put up is that it truncated at

576
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,040
45. 45 kilometres per hour. So

577
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,040
beyond 45 Pilar kilometres per

578
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,040
hour it just is too fast. So the

579
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,040
other major concern is because

580
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040
this past summer I witnessed, I

581
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,040
personally witnessed several of

582
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,040
our small children that are out

583
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000
in the street and our street is

584
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000
becoming younger, which is

585
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000
great. A lot of the older folks

586
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000
are moving on. The newer

587
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,000
families are moving in with

588
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,000
young children. But the kids are

589
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
in danger, in my best

590
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
estimation. Two times the summer

591
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000
I saw a very very close calls,

592
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
to the point where one kid was

593
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000
rushed with a side mirror of an

594
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000
automobile. So I think we really

595
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,000
seriously need a hard look at

596
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,000
this. I don't have the answers

597
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,000
but I am sure that Pointe-Claire

598
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
with or industrial engineering

599
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000
department could positively come

600
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,000
up with something oh look at

601
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000
something that would collect

602
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,000
data, both in a qualitative and

603
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000
quantitative manner. Something

604
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
along those lines. But I think

605
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,000
the first step is to collect

606
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000
data, understand the data, and

607
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000
put preventative measures in

608
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,060
place to try and eliminate these

609
00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:08,060
2 to 3 problem's. So in closing,

610
00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:11,060
I'm asking the City of

611
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:13,060
Pointe-Claire to, if possible,

612
00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:15,060
generate a pilot program and

613
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:19,060
then get back to the people of

614
00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:22,060
dolorous with solutions as to

615
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:25,060
what the proposal went forward.

616
00:26:25,060 --> 00:26:26,060
I'm not gonna discuss speed

617
00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:28,060
bumps, because I know that's an

618
00:26:28,060 --> 00:26:29,060
issue, but at what I would

619
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:30,060
strongly recommend is that you

620
00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:33,060
come back with some form of

621
00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:34,060
improvement, because someone is

622
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:36,060
going to get hurt. When it's

623
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:38,060
going to be at the expense of

624
00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,060
citizens of Pointe-Claire. So

625
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:42,060
that's why I took it upon myself

626
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:44,060
to come today. I think it's very

627
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:46,060
important that we look at it,

628
00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:51,060
now will continue talking with

629
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:53,060
Claude Cousineau on this matter,

630
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:55,060
but I would strongly recommend

631
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:57,060
some form of a pilot project

632
00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:59,060
going forward to try and fix the

633
00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:01,020
problem we are seeing. And that

634
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:05,020
is preach pretty much it for me.

635
00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:06,020
>> Okay.

636
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:09,020
>> I was a volunteer in

637
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:11,020
Pointe-Claire for 30 years a

638
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:13,020
hockey coach. I do have 20

639
00:27:13,020 --> 00:27:16,020
signatures from everyone on our

640
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:18,020
street supporting the movement

641
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:20,020
so I don't think who I would

642
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:21,020
don't know who I would give it

643
00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:25,020
to. I will drop it off. And I

644
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:27,020
think Claude Cousineau as the

645
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:28,020
regional draft of the email I

646
00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:30,020
sent out. Thank you.

647
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:31,020
>> Thank you, Curt Mullen, and

648
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:33,020
thank you for your volunteer

649
00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:35,020
service as a hockey coach. I've

650
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:37,020
done it myself, and it's a

651
00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:38,020
thankless task sometimes. I

652
00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:42,020
don't know if you have

653
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:43,020
encountered Georgia but, Georgia

654
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:47,020
has been the advocate for --

655
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:52,020
Kurt, have you met Georgia yet?

656
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:55,020
[Inaudible]

657
00:27:55,020 --> 00:28:00,080
About two days ago.

658
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,080
[Inaudible]

659
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,080
Two days ago I was introduced to

660
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,080
Georgia --

661
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,080
>> She has spoken to me and to

662
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Erin Tedford, and -- quite

663
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,080
frequently. So it is known to

664
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,080
us. The street is known to. Us

665
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,080
they have done studies. The

666
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,080
people they have done studies

667
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,080
on, and they weren't demand

668
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,080
dramatically bad, of the times

669
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,080
they did them it's always a

670
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,080
tricky thing

671
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,080
[Inaudible]

672
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,040
>> There are not a lot of enough

673
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040
police officers to survey the

674
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,040
streets, there may not be a

675
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,040
budget for up. What I will say

676
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,040
is that we have looked at it as

677
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,040
a city and the traffic committee

678
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,040
does look, and the street has

679
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,040
been looked at. As far as

680
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,040
solutions I would say that the

681
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,040
major problem here is that we

682
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,040
have too much traffic density.

683
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,040
So the major arteries you're

684
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,040
getting spill off four metre

685
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,040
major arteries. It's full of

686
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,040
four major arteries because they

687
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,040
are fall. And they are full

688
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,040
because we have an awful lot of

689
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,040
citizens for those major

690
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,040
arteries. So the solution is --

691
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,000
[Inaudible]

692
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,000
>> I hear you.

693
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,000
[Inaudible]

694
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000
>> This is the future. Now we're

695
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
in the process of trying to

696
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000
figure out how to do pedestrian

697
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000
or bicycle overpasses and how to

698
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,000
get flow, citizen flow,

699
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000
north-south over the 20 and 40

700
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,000
without it spilling over, right?

701
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000
[Inaudible]

702
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
[Inaudible]

703
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,000
>> I'll tell you, it's, the

704
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
solution is multiple. It's not

705
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000
just effort its money. You have

706
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000
to expand. And first and

707
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000
foremost, if you have

708
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
densification, too much

709
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
densification you have to have

710
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,060
infrastructure to accommodate

711
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:01,060
it. The way to do that is

712
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:04,060
increase for infrastructure,

713
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:06,060
erodes, and public transit.

714
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:07,060
Public transit is the key. I

715
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:09,060
would still argue that

716
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:10,060
north-south in Pointe-Claire, we

717
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:13,060
are still woefully inadequate.

718
00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:15,060
We need more buses, we could

719
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:16,060
have a metro, we could do an

720
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:19,060
underpass. We still didn't have

721
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:21,060
the jack beside corridor, the

722
00:31:21,060 --> 00:31:23,060
extra north-south that was

723
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:26,060
planned for -- there are

724
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:28,060
solutions out there but a lot of

725
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:31,060
the solutions are economic. So I

726
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:36,060
hear what you're saying.

727
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:37,060
[Inaudible]

728
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:38,060
>> We have to allocate the funds

729
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:40,060
to do it. We have to have the

730
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:42,060
funds to do it. And I would

731
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:45,060
argue that prior to densify in,

732
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:46,060
we should have an infrastructure

733
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:48,060
that can accommodate it. And we

734
00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:50,060
should work absolutely on our

735
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:52,060
public transit and our major

736
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:53,060
arteries and make sure they can

737
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:55,060
accommodate citizens and public

738
00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:56,060
transit.

739
00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:59,060
>> Sir, I'm sorry, but I have

740
00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:01,020
been advised --

741
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:02,020
>> People at home can't hear you

742
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:03,020
in the question whether

743
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:05,020
gentleman is saying. Come back

744
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:07,020
to the microphone, please?

745
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:09,020
>> Thank you, Danielle.

746
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:10,020
>> My pleasure.

747
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:11,020
>> I know you did, and I

748
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:13,020
apologize. I'm more guilty than

749
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:15,020
you are.

750
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:19,020
>> The last question was,

751
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:21,020
Dylan's question was that you

752
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:24,020
had for me?

753
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:25,020
>> Oh, good question. I gotta

754
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:27,020
remember what my last question

755
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:29,020
was. I basically was --

756
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:31,020
>> I guess my final statement

757
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:34,020
would be, I'm very concerned

758
00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:35,020
with, I've been a hockey coach

759
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:37,020
for a long time, I see the kids

760
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:38,020
are playing road hockey and so

761
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:40,020
on on the street. They

762
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:41,020
shouldn't, but we like to see it

763
00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:44,020
when they do that. And I'm very

764
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:45,020
concerned that someone's gonna

765
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:47,020
get hit because of the speed of

766
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:48,020
the vehicles on the street in

767
00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:52,020
the frequency. It's very high.

768
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:54,020
So if there is something you can

769
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:55,020
do, we would fully appreciate

770
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:57,020
it. Again, I don't have the

771
00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:58,020
answers. I will be you can help

772
00:32:58,020 --> 00:33:02,080
us with that. I guess that's

773
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,080
where I will leave it. And thank

774
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,080
you again.

775
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,080
>> Thank you. Susan Weaver?

776
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080
>> Mister Thomas, I understand

777
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,080
that Sotramont is suing you

778
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080
personally for making false

779
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,080
statements about them. I also

780
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,080
understand that taxpayers are

781
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,080
required by law to pay the legal

782
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,080
fees for your defence at least

783
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,080
upfront. I was a witness to what

784
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,080
happened. I stand by my

785
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,080
statement of January 17th, 2023,

786
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,080
at the council meeting. My

787
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,080
description as to what occurred

788
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,080
in the parking lot. It seems to

789
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,080
me this whole thing could go

790
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,080
away, therefore saving the

791
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,080
citizens a lot of money if you

792
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,080
would simply do the right thing

793
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
and publicly apologize.

794
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,080
Remember, Mister Thomas, myself

795
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,080
and another person where they

796
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,040
are and saw what happened. Will

797
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,040
you do the right thing and

798
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,040
publicly apologize for the city?

799
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,040
>> If you want to see what

800
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,040
happened, I encourage you to

801
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,040
watch the webcasts of our

802
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,040
council meetings. There were a

803
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,040
couple of testimonies of what

804
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,040
happened by citizens were

805
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,040
involved. There were five

806
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,040
citizens. There were two

807
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,040
citizens and two councillors and

808
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,040
the mayor. I left the incident

809
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,040
right away. There was an

810
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,040
incident in the parking lot --

811
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,040
>> Excuse me, Mister Mayor?

812
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,040
>> Yes?

813
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,040
>> I don't think the village in

814
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,040
court, I don't think you -- can

815
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,040
>> You're probably right. It's a

816
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,040
good idea. You can find out on

817
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,040
the webcast. If you want to find

818
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,040
out what happened, I won't

819
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,040
describe it, and Councillor

820
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Claude Cousineau is correct. I

821
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,040
would encourage you to watch the

822
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,040
various testimonies of people

823
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,040
who were there. And let me

824
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,000
correct the false statements.

825
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000
They were allegedly false

826
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000
statements. It's important to

827
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,000
say. And other than that, I try

828
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,000
to do my job and do the right

829
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000
thing for the citizens of

830
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Pointe-Claire. And I do what I

831
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
do and protect and save things

832
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
that I think are in the best

833
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
interest of the city of

834
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Pointe-Claire. That's all I can

835
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
do, is try and do my job. So

836
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,000
thank you.

837
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Can Lyons?

838
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000
>> Good evening. At last council

839
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
meeting I brought up the issue

840
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,000
of the path between Camden and

841
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000
lakeshore General Hospital do

842
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,000
you have anything to report?

843
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
>> Lots, actually. The bike path

844
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
that we share with Kirkland, I

845
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,000
believe?

846
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000
>> Yes, we are in discussion

847
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,060
with the CP O of Kirkland to

848
00:36:00,060 --> 00:36:02,060
repay the pathway so I don't

849
00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:05,060
have an answer yet for Parkland,

850
00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:07,060
but we are in discussions.

851
00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:09,060
>> Surprising. I thank you. The

852
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:11,060
reason why is because yesterday

853
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:14,060
I turned to my former councillor

854
00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:16,060
in Kirkland, John Morrison, and

855
00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:21,060
John said that about 2005 he had

856
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:24,060
Bill McMurray come over to the

857
00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:27,060
path and Bill said yes, it's

858
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:31,060
hours, it's Pointe-Claire. Now

859
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:32,060
the other thing that our, my

860
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:34,060
councillor told me is that,

861
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:36,060
well, Kirkland is going to take

862
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:38,060
care of, it and that's it. The

863
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:41,060
issue will go away. But I think

864
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:45,060
that something like that is not

865
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:47,060
really nailed down, and I hope

866
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:49,060
that a discussion between

867
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:51,060
Pointe-Claire and Kirkland will

868
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:52,060
be firmed up.

869
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:54,060
>> It will be.

870
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:55,060
>> Thank you.

871
00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:56,060
>> There are positive

872
00:36:56,060 --> 00:36:57,060
discussions, from what I

873
00:36:57,060 --> 00:36:58,060
understand.

874
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:00,020
>> I have to make a remark. I'm

875
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:01,020
sorry I have to do that, but I

876
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:03,020
have been attending council

877
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:07,020
meetings since the early 1970s.

878
00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:10,020
It's over 100 of them. I have

879
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:11,020
seen a lot of council meetings.

880
00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:14,020
I have been mostly at Kirkland

881
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:17,020
for the last over 20 years,

882
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:20,020
nearly everyone. And I have

883
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:23,020
never seen such a dysfunctional

884
00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:25,020
council as the meetings that go

885
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:29,020
on here. And I'm sorry to say

886
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:32,020
that. But we have a 90 minute

887
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:34,020
period. I was surprised to see

888
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:36,020
it that long. I never saw a

889
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:38,020
period that long. The other

890
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:40,020
thing is, they are not

891
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:42,020
controlled tightly. Having

892
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:45,020
people talk back and forth, at

893
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:47,020
length, there is no place for

894
00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:49,020
that. If people have an issue,

895
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:53,020
they want to go on, talk on one

896
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:54,020
in one with the individual,

897
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:57,020
prepare your documents ahead of

898
00:37:57,020 --> 00:37:59,020
time so that it can be cut

899
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:01,080
short, and invite you, that if I

900
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,080
talk more than five minutes, you

901
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,080
tell me, go and sit down, I will

902
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,080
not argue. Is that clear? So

903
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,080
please, when a meeting is going

904
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:16,080
on, keep it succinct and ask of

905
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,080
us, the citizens, to also be

906
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,080
succinct. You may not need a 90

907
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,080
minute council meeting because

908
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,080
of that. And when I am saying

909
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,080
succinct, it works both ways. So

910
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,080
seriously consider that. Thank

911
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,080
you.

912
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,080
>> Thank you. If I could

913
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,080
respond, Mister Ken Lyons, I

914
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080
believe it is our job to hear

915
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,080
citizens out. I don't catch

916
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,080
citizens short. Very rarely do I

917
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,080
cut citizens short. And I think

918
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,080
it's really important that

919
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,080
people go home having head their

920
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,080
question, having felt that they

921
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,080
have fully explain themselves

922
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,080
and had the question answered.

923
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,080
And I endeavour to do so and I

924
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,040
don't think it's a fault. I

925
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,040
think the quality. Maybe I'm

926
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,040
doing it differently, but that

927
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,040
is my belief. I also would like

928
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,040
to point out that -- no, excuse

929
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,040
me sir. I would like to also

930
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,040
point out that 90 minutes is not

931
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,040
an inordinate amount of time.

932
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,040
Some councils pick up the

933
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,040
following day. I know some

934
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,040
cities that don't finish the

935
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,040
first meeting and will follow up

936
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,040
after that meeting. I have also

937
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,040
seen, in three municipalities,

938
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040
one of them being -- Québec

939
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,040
where my mother lives, I've seen

940
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,040
council meetings that far exceed

941
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,040
hours. So I don't know who

942
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,040
you're comparing to but I see

943
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040
lots of examples. I've witnessed

944
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,040
lots of examples, of the time

945
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,040
duration is much longer. I hear

946
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,040
what you are saying. There are

947
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,040
people that have that

948
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,040
interpretation. It's not mine.

949
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,040
>> Okay. Mister Mayor?

950
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,040
>> Yes?

951
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,040
>> Right off the bat, what

952
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,040
you're saying is that --

953
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,040
>> Are you debating or asking me

954
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,040
a question?

955
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,040
>> I'm not debating, I just want

956
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,000
to point something out. I

957
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
refused to debate. It's not a

958
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000
forum for that. Is that I hear

959
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000
you saying you want to hear the

960
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,000
citizens. Will you are not

961
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,000
hearing all the citizens.

962
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
There's a whole mess of people.

963
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,000
You have to show up at 6:30 if

964
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000
you want to have a chance of

965
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000
asking a question. Otherwise you

966
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,000
can't make it. So what about the

967
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000
people that come here, who have

968
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
an issue, they can't bring it up

969
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
by themself? And that's it.

970
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
>> No problem. Solution? Longer

971
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,000
beating. There we go. Vanessa

972
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,000
McLeod or McKay? Sorry.

973
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,000
>> Hi. I'm Vanessa Mackay from

974
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,000
the Pointe-Claire daily. I am a

975
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,000
local, merchant, I own the point

976
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
clear deli. We met a few weeks

977
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,060
ago. I brought up concerns about

978
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,060
poutine festival that was

979
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:05,060
allowed to happen in the parking

980
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:09,060
lot in front of the two clauses,

981
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:10,060
during the -- village. And you

982
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:15,060
and I had a meeting as well as

983
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:17,060
Antonio? And your secretary, her

984
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:18,060
name was Julie was there as

985
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:22,060
well. During that meeting you

986
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:24,060
advised me that you had no idea

987
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:26,060
what was going on with the

988
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:29,060
poutine festival, that you had

989
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:33,060
not approved it, that you had

990
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:35,060
participated in a discussion

991
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:37,060
about it being held elsewhere,

992
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:40,060
months and months prior to that.

993
00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:41,060
It has come to my knowledge

994
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:45,060
that's not the case. I have

995
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:48,060
emails from your office, right

996
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:52,060
up until the end of August, that

997
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:55,060
are discussed saying that he had

998
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:58,060
to be in the Valois village, and

999
00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:00,020
at the time they were talking

1000
00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:01,020
about it even happening in

1001
00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:05,020
August. You asked me to email

1002
00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:07,020
you with description of the ways

1003
00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:09,020
that this was going to affect my

1004
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:11,020
business. One of the other main

1005
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:16,020
issues that I found was that V

1006
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:19,020
application or the permit rather

1007
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:20,020
had been given to the poutine

1008
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:22,020
festival, but it was given to

1009
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:24,020
them for Friday through Sunday,

1010
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:26,020
so that would've been September

1011
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:28,020
22nd through the 24th, I

1012
00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:30,020
believe. They were setting up in

1013
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:32,020
our parking lot on the Monday.

1014
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:34,020
They had dropped off big rigs

1015
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:36,020
and we're already taking up the

1016
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:39,020
parking lot on the Sunday. We

1017
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:40,020
had notified city hall, myself

1018
00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:42,020
and other merchants, had

1019
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:44,020
notified you guys on Monday that

1020
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:47,020
this was going on. We had giant

1021
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:48,020
trucks in the air kicking our

1022
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:50,020
employees, kicking our customers

1023
00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:51,020
out of there, threatening to

1024
00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:54,020
call the police on us if we

1025
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:56,020
didn't remove our cars. I myself

1026
00:42:56,020 --> 00:42:58,020
have my car cage into the

1027
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:00,080
parking lot and had to go and

1028
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,080
get some very large minute to

1029
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,080
remove the caging so that I

1030
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,080
could leave the parking lot. You

1031
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,080
said to me personally that you

1032
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,080
would never allow that festival

1033
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,080
to go on at the expense of the

1034
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,080
merchants that were in that

1035
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,080
area. Use word to me that you

1036
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,080
would do something, and that was

1037
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,080
not the case either. I emailed

1038
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,080
you and received no response. I

1039
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,080
ended up closing my business for

1040
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,080
a full week. This cost be

1041
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,080
thousands and thousands of

1042
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,080
dollars. It cost my employees

1043
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,080
their paycheques for the week.

1044
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,080
And I want to know what's going

1045
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,080
to be done about that. I want to

1046
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,080
know what kind of compensation

1047
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,080
we can expect, and I want to

1048
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,080
know why I wasn't even given the

1049
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,080
respect of an email back, why I

1050
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,080
was just left in the lurch, not

1051
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,080
knowing what was going on.

1052
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
>> Okay. The email, April guys,

1053
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,080
I haven't seen. And I will ask

1054
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,080
truly if it's there. She usually

1055
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,080
flags that. If I missed an

1056
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,040
email, I apologize. The reason

1057
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,040
it wasn't stopped's was because

1058
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,040
we had a council meeting in

1059
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,040
decided that we wouldn't stop

1060
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,040
the poutine festival. We had a

1061
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,040
special meeting for it.

1062
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,040
>> What was the date of the

1063
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,040
meeting?

1064
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,040
>> I can't remember.

1065
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,040
>> The date of the meeting I

1066
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,040
believe was on the Thursday.

1067
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,040
>> The date that we met

1068
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,040
afterwards, to decide? I will

1069
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,040
let you know so a lot you know

1070
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,040
there was a meeting and --

1071
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,040
excuse me justify could continue

1072
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,040
speaking here. So we did have a

1073
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,040
meeting about that, after your

1074
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:37,040
meeting. And we did decide to

1075
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,040
continue to allow the poutine

1076
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,040
festival to continue. But we did

1077
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,040
indeed have a meeting to decide

1078
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,040
that. So it's not like nothing

1079
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,040
was done.

1080
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,040
>> But there -- was

1081
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,040
>> Excuse me, but as for being,

1082
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,040
he's allowed one question and

1083
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,040
then a subsequent question. When

1084
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,040
we did meet, and I remember, you

1085
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,000
didn't meet with me, I came down

1086
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
because Julie was down there

1087
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000
with Tony. I came down to find

1088
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
out what was going on, because

1089
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,000
she's my administrative

1090
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
assistant, and I didn't know why

1091
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000
she was doing that role because

1092
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000
it's not one that I would want

1093
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,000
her to be put in. And what I

1094
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,000
found intriguing wise that yes,

1095
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,000
you are right, it was days in

1096
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000
advance of when they were

1097
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
supposed to, which I found

1098
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
shocking. There have been no

1099
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,000
notification. This all came as a

1100
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,000
complete surprise to me. As you

1101
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
will recall, I am a merchant. I

1102
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
was a merchant, Emma merchant,

1103
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
and continue, well I'm not a

1104
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
merchant now as mayor, but my

1105
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000
son has been running the store,

1106
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000
but I've been a merchant for 23

1107
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,000
years. I completely agree. I

1108
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,000
think that there is a mistake

1109
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
often made when it comes to

1110
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
special events. Everybody

1111
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
believes that if you bring a lot

1112
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000
of people in, there's economic

1113
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,000
spinoff. In fact, there often

1114
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
isn't. And if you speak to David

1115
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Epstein and the Pointe-Claire

1116
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,060
Village merchants association,

1117
00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:02,060
they used to always have special

1118
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:03,060
events and I would show them my

1119
00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:05,060
books after a special event. I

1120
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:07,060
told you this actually, in the

1121
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:08,060
meeting. I would show my books

1122
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:10,060
after the special event and I

1123
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:12,060
would often lose money in

1124
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:14,060
special events because when you

1125
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:16,060
bring people in, not necessarily

1126
00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:18,060
economic spinoff. When it's a

1127
00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:20,060
mass consumption, when his mass

1128
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:22,060
consumption event, at the

1129
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:23,060
poutine fest or any other, when

1130
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:25,060
you bring a lot of people in

1131
00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:26,060
it's not guaranteed that they're

1132
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:28,060
gonna go into that store and

1133
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:30,060
purchase something. That is

1134
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:32,060
certainly been the case with me.

1135
00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:34,060
It has to be niche market. I

1136
00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:36,060
have done a couple of events

1137
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:37,060
myself. In the village, the ones

1138
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:40,060
that are niche market work. I do

1139
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:41,060
the antique and country fair,

1140
00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:42,060
which I organized for five

1141
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:45,060
years. Two of those solely.

1142
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:46,060
Those head economic spinoff, but

1143
00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:48,060
that was directly related to my

1144
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:49,060
product. But there were other

1145
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:50,060
events were tons of people came

1146
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:52,060
in there was no spin-off. So we

1147
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:55,060
have to be very selective in

1148
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:58,060
what we allow to come into our

1149
00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:00,020
commercial villages. They can't

1150
00:47:00,020 --> 00:47:01,020
just be mass events that bring

1151
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:03,020
in lots of people. They have to

1152
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:04,020
be events that we think will

1153
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:07,020
have economic spinoff. And we

1154
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:10,020
have to, as a city, we have to

1155
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:13,020
really tighten up our special

1156
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:15,020
events process to make sure that

1157
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:17,020
in fact there is economic

1158
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:19,020
spinoff and at the events we

1159
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:22,020
choose our ones where there are

1160
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:25,020
economic spinoff. I distinguish

1161
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:27,020
two types, events in the evening

1162
00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:29,020
are fun events in our

1163
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:31,020
necessarily don't impact as much

1164
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:34,020
on merchants. In the day events

1165
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:35,020
are different. We've had

1166
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:38,020
successful events. We've had the

1167
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:40,020
Pointe-Claire, the West Island

1168
00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:41,020
blues festival. We had strangers

1169
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:42,020
in the night. We've had a few

1170
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:46,020
that were successes. This one is

1171
00:47:46,020 --> 00:47:48,020
debatable. I've got to tell you,

1172
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:50,020
even as of today, there are

1173
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:52,020
merchants who quite liked it.

1174
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:54,020
There are, I've had, I know,

1175
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:56,020
it's amazing, and I was at an

1176
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:59,020
event on Sunday, we could have

1177
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:00,080
merchants had actually one of

1178
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,080
the poutine fest to go to the

1179
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Pointe-Claire Village.

1180
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,080
>> Pointe-Claire Village?

1181
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,080
>> And I am astonished by this.

1182
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,080
For me it's incredible sort of,

1183
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,080
and the other thing when I met

1184
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,080
with you that I found really

1185
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,080
astonishing was that I asked you

1186
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,080
what the merchants association

1187
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,080
had said, had told to, regarding

1188
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,080
that event. And you didn't know

1189
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,080
that there was a Valois

1190
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,080
merchants association. So here

1191
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,080
we have emergencies ocean that

1192
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,080
the merchants don't know about

1193
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,080
that supposed to liaise with the

1194
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,080
City. So there's a lot of

1195
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,080
communication problems going on

1196
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,080
here. The fact that the

1197
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,080
merchants weren't alerted in

1198
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,080
advance, I found quite shocking.

1199
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,080
It's okay, as long as the

1200
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,080
merchants are alerted in

1201
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,080
advance, there's a lot to learn.

1202
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Here in this process. A lot of

1203
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,040
cities. In fact I'm speaking

1204
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,040
with my director general, and

1205
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,040
95% of our events don't even get

1206
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,040
to council. That's the normal

1207
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,040
procedure.

1208
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,040
>> And event this large?

1209
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,040
>> Most events don't go to

1210
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,040
Council. This is what I'm told.

1211
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,040
So in a lot of other cities,

1212
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,040
that is the case. So for me it's

1213
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,040
--

1214
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,040
>> Could you elaborate a bit

1215
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,040
more? Large events like this

1216
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,040
happen on a regular basis, and

1217
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,040
none no you would know about? It

1218
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,040
>> They know, but the

1219
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,040
decision-making process doesn't

1220
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,040
necessarily go to Council.

1221
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,040
>> That's so strange. I'm pretty

1222
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,040
sure, even if you want to have a

1223
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,040
birthday party here you have to

1224
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,040
notify every single neighbour.

1225
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,040
>> No. No. No. A lot of events,

1226
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,040
our departments are specialized,

1227
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,040
and they're good. Usually

1228
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,040
traffic circulation flow,

1229
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,040
closing streets, all these kind

1230
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,040
of things is handled by

1231
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,040
professionals who do it for a

1232
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,040
living. So they bring it to us.

1233
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,040
They bring it to us afterwards.

1234
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,040
You're right, if it's a huge

1235
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,000
one, or something of some

1236
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
sensitivity, it'll probably come

1237
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,000
up. A lot of events go through

1238
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000
the procedure without getting to

1239
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Council. So there is a lot of

1240
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
stuff that we have to learn

1241
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,000
about.

1242
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000
>> Can I ask --

1243
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
>> Can I finish?

1244
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,000
>> I want to add something

1245
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,000
specific.

1246
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,000
>> There's a lot of stuff that

1247
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000
we can learn about special

1248
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,000
events. We welcome to the same

1249
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,000
conclusion, I mean regarding

1250
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,000
poutine first coming back next

1251
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,000
year. It's very interesting

1252
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,000
proposition. We have, obviously,

1253
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
we have to sit down and decide.

1254
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
I think it should go through,

1255
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,000
sort of decided preliminary

1256
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,000
premonition preliminarily. A

1257
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
percolates. Up there are events

1258
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,000
that come, in percolate up,

1259
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,000
Council gets to pick, or pick or

1260
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,000
delineate the important ones, et

1261
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
cetera. That's what we have to

1262
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000
start doing. The process, you're

1263
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,000
right, we need tightening up in

1264
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,000
the procedure. We're going to do

1265
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
that.

1266
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,060
>> Okay, but as far as the

1267
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:01,060
compensation goes --

1268
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:03,060
>> I can't speak to that yet.

1269
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:05,060
That's not for me to decide.

1270
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:06,060
>> But when we were speaking you

1271
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:08,060
said to me specifically but you

1272
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:10,060
would never ask a small

1273
00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:12,060
merchant, you would never allow

1274
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:13,060
poutine first to happen at the

1275
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:15,060
expense of any other merchants.

1276
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:18,060
In fact, you said I don't care

1277
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:20,060
if they sue me, correct?

1278
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:21,060
>> Who said that?

1279
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,060
>> I don't know if that's

1280
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:24,060
correct.

1281
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:25,060
>> I don't care if they sue me,

1282
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:27,060
I would never allow poutine

1283
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:28,060
pressed to go forward.

1284
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:29,060
>> I wouldn't have said I don't

1285
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:32,060
care if they sue me. What

1286
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:33,060
>> Those were your words.

1287
00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:35,060
>> No, thank you, I'm sorry, you

1288
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:36,060
may forget things, but I don't.

1289
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:38,060
I do not forget a vegetable that

1290
00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:40,060
I approved four weeks later, and

1291
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:42,060
I certainly don't forget

1292
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:43,060
conversations that I had two

1293
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:47,060
weeks ago. So I will let you

1294
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,060
know that is exactly verbatim

1295
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,060
what you said.

1296
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:50,060
>> I would ask you to control

1297
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:51,060
yourself at the microphone. But

1298
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:53,060
I would like to tell you is, I

1299
00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:55,060
did not decide to have that

1300
00:51:55,060 --> 00:52:00,020
event. A mayor cannot decide on

1301
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:01,020
an event. A mayor can't specify

1302
00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:02,020
--

1303
00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:03,020
>> These emails that I have here

1304
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:04,020
are from your office, and I

1305
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:06,020
would assume that you are

1306
00:52:06,020 --> 00:52:09,020
secretary, who speaks for you in

1307
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:11,020
these emails, ccs you on these

1308
00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:13,020
emails, I would assume --

1309
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:16,020
>> Not always. First of all. I

1310
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:17,020
>> Have them all highlighted.

1311
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:18,020
Here

1312
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:19,020
>> Let me specify, ma'am, and

1313
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:21,020
this is getting a little

1314
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:23,020
lengthy. Let me specify --

1315
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:24,020
>> Because you have it answered

1316
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:25,020
--

1317
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:27,020
>> And let me specify that a

1318
00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:30,020
mayor cannot decide on the

1319
00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:32,020
events. Slowly. A mayor is not

1320
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:34,020
allowed solely to decide. No I

1321
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:36,020
didn't, no I didn't.

1322
00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:37,020
>> No, really --

1323
00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:40,020
>> A mayor cannot decide on an

1324
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:41,020
event --

1325
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:42,020
>> So what you're saying is you

1326
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:43,020
should probably get another

1327
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:45,020
secretary because she is going

1328
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:47,020
about business without informing

1329
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:48,020
you have anything.

1330
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:50,020
>> We have procedures. And we

1331
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:53,020
carry on events, not every event

1332
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:55,020
comes to, not even half come to

1333
00:52:55,020 --> 00:52:56,020
me.

1334
00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:57,020
>> This one. Did

1335
00:52:57,020 --> 00:53:00,080
>> It did. It came to Council.

1336
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,080
And we actually discussed it.

1337
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,080
Absolutely.

1338
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,080
>> Council disgusted in May? And

1339
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,080
which point it was supposed to

1340
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,080
be in a different location. I

1341
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,080
believe at one point somebody

1342
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,080
mentioned Pointe-Claire, or

1343
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,080
Valois village, and everyone

1344
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,080
said no.

1345
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,080
>> No, actually, it was just a

1346
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,080
recount, it was positively

1347
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,080
received. Just so you know, it

1348
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,080
was raised in Council, and

1349
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,080
positively received.

1350
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,080
>> Mayor, I must answer to that.

1351
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,080
It was not positively received

1352
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,080
in Council because it was not

1353
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,080
received in Council.

1354
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,080
>> It was received in Council,

1355
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,080
and suggestion was made in

1356
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,080
Council by councillors to have

1357
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,080
it invalid.

1358
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,080
>> Not Councillors who happen to

1359
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,080
be sitting here now? Anyone want

1360
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,080
to speak up and say you were

1361
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,080
aware it was going to be in

1362
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,080
Valois village?

1363
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,080
>> It really doesn't matter.

1364
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:55,080
What matters is that when there

1365
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,080
is something, an organization

1366
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,080
that occurs, it's the Mayor's

1367
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,040
responsible for it to run

1368
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,040
successfully. We're getting off

1369
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,040
the track. Personally, I don't

1370
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,040
recall Council ever making a

1371
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,040
decision to have the Putin

1372
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,040
festival take place at all. But

1373
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,040
again, maybe it doesn't matter.

1374
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,040
The decision obviously was made

1375
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,040
somehow, because it occurred but

1376
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,040
once it occurs it should run

1377
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,040
successfully. It did not run

1378
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,040
successfully, and ultimately the

1379
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,040
buck stops there.

1380
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,040
>> Yeah and I also would like to

1381
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,040
know because I do have a copy --

1382
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,040
>> Excuse me, Miss McKay, Miss

1383
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,040
MacKay, Miss Mackay, you have

1384
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,040
had about four or five. There

1385
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,040
won't be a follow-up

1386
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,040
>> Actually no, I --

1387
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,040
>> Miss McKay,

1388
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,040
>> I would like to know why --

1389
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,040
>> Miss MacKay, Miss Mackay, I'm

1390
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,040
gonna have to ask you

1391
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,040
>> They were sitting up on the

1392
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,040
19th --

1393
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,040
>> I'm gonna ask you to stop,

1394
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,040
Miss Mackay.

1395
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,040
>> No. I would like -- I would

1396
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,040
like actual answers.

1397
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,040
>> You've had four followups.

1398
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,000
You've had answers. Let me at

1399
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,000
the same time remind

1400
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,000
councillors, one Eric Stork and

1401
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000
Brent Cowan, and you have to

1402
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,000
address the mayor before you get

1403
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,000
to speak. Those are the rules of

1404
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,000
these meetings. Thank you Miss

1405
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,000
MacKay. Now, I would like Daniel

1406
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Mont petite, please. Mr. Ma

1407
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,000
petite?

1408
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,000
>> Miss Mackay we are finished.

1409
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,000
>> I would like an answer to my

1410
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,000
-- question

1411
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,000
>> You've had. It

1412
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,000
>> In fact, my son, and one of

1413
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
my employees would also like an

1414
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,000
answer to that question. How do

1415
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000
you personally plan on

1416
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,000
compensating as for the

1417
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000
thousands of dollars we've lost?

1418
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,000
>> I can't answer you. It's not

1419
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,000
my poor decision.

1420
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,000
>> Your inability or ability? To

1421
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,000
provide information.

1422
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,000
>> Tony?

1423
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,000
>> Thank you.

1424
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,000
>> Can I get my T first?

1425
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
>> Thank you, Miss Mackay.

1426
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,000
Monsieur mom pretty?

1427
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:15,060
- Bonsoir, Monsieur le Maire.

1428
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:16,060
Bonsoir, conseiller,

1429
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:17,060
conseillère. Félicitations pour

1430
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:19,060
la job, Gilles! Faire...

1431
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:22,060
parfait, mon ami. Bien content.

1432
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:23,060
Ce soir, j'ai écrit un papier,

1433
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:24,060
c'est rare. D'habitude,

1434
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:25,060
(inaudible)

1435
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:26,060
ce, soir je serai plus

1436
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:27,060
Gentil. Il faut que je mette une

1437
00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:32,060
paire de lunettes. Bon. Bonjour.

1438
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:36,060
Mon nom est Daniel Montpetit. Je

1439
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:38,060
fais du bénévolat régulièrement

1440
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:39,060
pour lasse ça

1441
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:40,060
(---)

1442
00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:44,060
scions. Une organisation à but

1443
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:46,060
non lucratif venant en aide aux

1444
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:47,060
enfants handicapés de toutes

1445
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:49,060
sortes à Pointe-Claire, depuis

1446
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:52,060
environ 15 ans. En fin de

1447
00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:54,060
semaine passée, l'association

1448
00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:56,060
Wyatt a tenu un événement pour

1449
00:56:56,060 --> 00:56:59,060
son 65e anniversaire dans le

1450
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:02,020
village. Au début de l'été, on a

1451
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:05,020
fait une demande à la Ville pour

1452
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:06,020
fermer l'avenue

1453
00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:07,020
(---)

1454
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:09,020
entre Valois et Prince Édouard.

1455
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:10,020
La réponse fut un non

1456
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:15,020
catégorique. Non! Après avoir

1457
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:17,020
parlé à plusieurs personnes

1458
00:57:17,020 --> 00:57:19,020
ainsi que Kelly fort Stone, qui

1459
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:23,020
n'est pas ici ce soir, qu'on

1460
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:24,020
remercie, Kelly Thorstad-Cullen

1461
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:25,020
plutôt pardon, ainsi que le

1462
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:28,020
maire, on le remercie, il aurait

1463
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:31,020
été avisés qu'il a consacré

1464
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:33,020
beaucoup d'efforts... de

1465
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:37,020
remercier. Je me suis perdu. Que

1466
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:39,020
nous remercions aussi. Il semble

1467
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:42,020
que ça ait été très compliqué

1468
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:43,020
d'obtenir l'autorisation.

1469
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:47,020
Pourquoi? À la journée du

1470
00:57:48,020 --> 00:57:52,020
village, tenue le 26 ou pour le

1471
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:54,020
Festival blouse tenus au début

1472
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:56,020
de septembre dans l'autre

1473
00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:58,020
village, la sécurité biblique à

1474
00:57:58,020 --> 00:58:00,080
barré l'accès au village et ont

1475
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,080
installé toutes sortes de

1476
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,080
procédures pour obtenir la

1477
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,080
sécurité, donc des barricades en

1478
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,080
ciment, en bois, la sécurité

1479
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,080
publique pardon. Même dans le

1480
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,080
temps, on avait dit

1481
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,080
(---)

1482
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,080
on s'en sert pas du tout

1483
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,080
aujourd'hui, je sais pas

1484
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,080
pourquoi on a acheté, ça ça vaut

1485
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,080
des milliers de dollars! Ils

1486
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,080
sont stationnés dans des boîtes

1487
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,080
de bois, on s'en sert pas. Pour

1488
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
l'événement, rien. La sécurité

1489
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,080
des citoyens du village de

1490
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,080
Pointe-Claire va-t-elle plus que

1491
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,080
celle de Valois? À

1492
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,080
Pointe-Claire, les citoyens

1493
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,080
sont-ils plus protégés que ceux

1494
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,080
de Valois? Il a-t-il une raison

1495
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,080
pourquoi vous le faites dans le

1496
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,080
village de Pointe-Claire et non

1497
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:41,080
à Valois? Une chance qu'on a eu

1498
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,080
la chance d'avoir

1499
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,080
(---)

1500
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,080
pour venir barrer et pour, nous

1501
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,080
nous donner un coup de main pour

1502
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,080
assurer la sécurité. Merci à eux

1503
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,080
aussi. Pourquoi on accepte les

1504
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,080
Fêtes et on ferme les rues dans

1505
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,040
le village de Pointe-Claire et

1506
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,040
non la veille pour... pour le

1507
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:08,040
village de Valois. Un virage a

1508
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,040
de l'importance et l'autre n'en

1509
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,040
a pas? Qui prend la décision de

1510
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,040
barrer les rues ou pas et

1511
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,040
décider si on peut avoir un

1512
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,040
événement? Ça vient de la

1513
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,040
décision de qui, ça? C'est les

1514
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,040
réponses qu'on veut avoir, s'il

1515
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,040
vous plaît.

1516
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,040
- Bonne question, monsieur

1517
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,040
Montpetit. Vous montrer que le

1518
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,040
problème... le même problème que

1519
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,040
madame. On est... la décision,

1520
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,040
le processus pour décider des

1521
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,040
événements, si on va se...

1522
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,040
fermer la rue, les barrières,

1523
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,040
tout ça, ce n'est pas le conseil

1524
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,040
qui décide ça.

1525
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,040
- C'est qui?

1526
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,040
- Bien, c'est un département

1527
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,040
responsable. Il y a des gens qui

1528
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,040
sont responsables pour les

1529
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,040
événements...

1530
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,040
- Est-ce que c'est un secret

1531
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,040
(inaudible)

1532
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,040
?

1533
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,040
- Madame, qui était responsable

1534
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,040
pour les événements qui décide

1535
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,040
la plupart des décisions...

1536
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,040
- Pour barrer les rues?

1537
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,000
- Oui!

1538
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,000
- Pour barrer les, Russes et pas

1539
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,000
une décision seulement de la

1540
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,000
ville. Il faut une autorisation

1541
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,000
des services d'incendie,

1542
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,000
services policiers, services

1543
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000
ambulanciers, la STM. C'est un

1544
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000
peu plus compliqué que juste

1545
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,000
décidé de barrer une rue plutôt.

1546
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,000
À la fin, c'est le département

1547
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,000
de l'inspection et sécurité

1548
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,000
publique qui va, à la fin,

1549
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,000
accepter ou non.

1550
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,000
- Ce que je ne comprends pas,

1551
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,000
vous allez... on va se coucher

1552
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,000
tard ce soir.

1553
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,000
- On se couchera tard, monsieur

1554
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,000
pont petit! Pas de problème avec

1555
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,000
ça.

1556
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,000
- Vous pouvez faire ça pour le

1557
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,000
village de Pointe-Claire dans le

1558
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,000
village

1559
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,000
(inaudible)

1560
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,000
et quand ça concerne Valois,

1561
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,000
c'est quoi le problème?

1562
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,000
- Ça dépend, comme je vous dis,

1563
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,000
toujours des autorisations qu'on

1564
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,000
est capable d'avoir. Je sais que

1565
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,000
dans le village Valois, on a des

1566
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,000
fois de la difficulté avec la

1567
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000
STM au niveau du... mais je vous

1568
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,000
dis la vérité, monsieur

1569
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,000
Montpetit! Vous n'aimait pas ma

1570
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,000
réponse, vous avez le droit.

1571
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,000
- Vous jouer du violon! J'ai

1572
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,000
travaillé 33 ans pour la Ville

1573
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,000
de Pointe-Claire. On creuse des

1574
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,000
tranchées, on fait dévier le

1575
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,000
trafic comme on veut, comme...

1576
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
quand on veut, avec la sécurité

1577
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,000
publique, tout ça. Et un party

1578
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,000
qu'on organise des mois et des

1579
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,060
mois d'avance, c'est compliqué.

1580
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:04,060
Wow! Je vous dis une affaire...,

1581
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:06,060
moi ma femme, elle a une petite

1582
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:07,060
fille handicapée, c'est ma

1583
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:08,060
petite-fille avoir... à moi. Et

1584
01:01:08,060 --> 01:01:09,060
je vous dis, vraiment, vous avez

1585
01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:12,060
fait très dur parce que, moi

1586
01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:15,060
j'ai dit... comment? Ça j'ai

1587
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:17,060
dit, je ne me gêne pas, que

1588
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:19,060
c'est des imbéciles de pas faire

1589
01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:20,060
la même chose que dans le

1590
01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:21,060
village de Pointe-Claire. C'est

1591
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:23,060
un inconcevable que vous fassiez

1592
01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:25,060
ça pour un festival, pour, c'est

1593
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:26,060
pour ça, pour les marchands,

1594
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:28,060
tout, et pourtant, le village de

1595
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:29,060
Valois, on n'est pas des

1596
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:30,060
imbéciles! Je reste là,

1597
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:31,060
maintenant. Mais il faut se

1598
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:34,060
battre pour avoir quelque chose,

1599
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:37,060
fermer une rue pour 4 heures.

1600
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:38,060
Pas une soirée et une journée

1601
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:39,060
complète. 4 heures, et on se

1602
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:41,060
fait dire ça. C'est vraiment

1603
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:43,060
aberrant, je trouve. Surtout

1604
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:44,060
pour une association qui

1605
01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:45,060
travaille et qui aident nos

1606
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:47,060
enfants de toutes sortes de

1607
01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:49,060
handicaps, que ce soit qu'est-ce

1608
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:50,060
qu'on voudra, et vous nous

1609
01:01:50,060 --> 01:01:52,060
mettez des bâtons dans les

1610
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:54,060
roues. C'est ça que c'est. Je ne

1611
01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:56,060
comprends pas du tout. Pas

1612
01:01:56,060 --> 01:01:58,060
pantoute, pas du tout. C'est

1613
01:01:58,060 --> 01:01:59,060
vraiment mal fait, votre

1614
01:01:59,060 --> 01:02:04,020
affaire. Je vous remercie.

1615
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:10,020
- En défense, monsieur

1616
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:11,020
Montpetit...

1617
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:12,020
- Il y en a, pas de défense!

1618
01:02:12,020 --> 01:02:13,020
- C'est vrai, je comprends.

1619
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:16,020
(inaudible)

1620
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:23,020
- D'accord. Geneviève Lussier?

1621
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:28,020
- Félicitations, Monsieur

1622
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:30,020
Girouard.

1623
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:31,020
>> I was wanting to get a quick

1624
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:32,020
clarification. I have two very

1625
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:33,020
good questions. I was hoping to

1626
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:35,020
get a quick clarification on the

1627
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:37,020
new planning consultation. Is it

1628
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:39,020
also about green spaces? It

1629
01:02:39,020 --> 01:02:40,020
talks about resilience or is

1630
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:42,020
that going to be separate --

1631
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:47,020
>> Good question.

1632
01:02:48,020 --> 01:02:50,020
>> It's about the green spaces,

1633
01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:51,020
it will be part of that public

1634
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:52,020
consultation.

1635
01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:53,020
>> Okay. I think maybe that

1636
01:02:53,020 --> 01:02:55,020
could be a little bit more

1637
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:56,020
explicit in the -- maybe that's

1638
01:02:56,020 --> 01:02:59,020
on purpose. But anyway. Okay, my

1639
01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:01,080
first question is about the

1640
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,080
public consultations. I'm

1641
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,080
curious as to how much weight

1642
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,080
the consultations have. Citizens

1643
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,080
input, how much weight that has

1644
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,080
in the final outcome of the

1645
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,080
urban planning.

1646
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,080
>> Hopefully a lot. That is the

1647
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,080
reason we are doing. It for the

1648
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,080
citizens to have input. It is my

1649
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,080
sincere hope that we will take

1650
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,080
that input and use it as a

1651
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,080
fundamental guide to what the

1652
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:32,080
outcome will be. That is my

1653
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,080
utmost desire of that process.

1654
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,080
>> I feel like that criteria

1655
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,080
should be already defined.

1656
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,080
>> Okay. Is it defined? Defined,

1657
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,080
Miss Verdun?

1658
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,080
>> That's what I'm wondering.

1659
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,080
>> At the, end it's the city

1660
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,080
council's decision about urban

1661
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,080
planning.

1662
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,080
>> But is it defined that how

1663
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,080
the results will be interpreted,

1664
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,080
how the results of citizen

1665
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,080
consultation will be interpreted

1666
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,080
and what power they have? And we

1667
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,040
have that already -- do we have

1668
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,040
that decided?

1669
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,040
>> All the resorts are present

1670
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,040
-- present to the City Council

1671
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,040
each time we met with the urban

1672
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,040
plan. After that, you know, the

1673
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,040
citizen will have to input in

1674
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,040
the real public consultation

1675
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,040
bylaw during the adoption of

1676
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,040
urban planning.

1677
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,040
(---)

1678
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:42,040
un poids sera mis... d'accord,

1679
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,040
parfait, merci. My next question

1680
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,040
is about the REM and the City.

1681
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,040
PQ another Pointe-Claire station

1682
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,040
right now does not have any

1683
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,040
parking plant. That has been

1684
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,040
discussed as being an issue. I

1685
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,040
don't know if it is being

1686
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,040
discussed behind closed door.

1687
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,000
The CDPQ is also very

1688
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,000
tightlipped about what they are

1689
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,000
doing. But given the fact that

1690
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,000
there are two freezes on the

1691
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,000
forest right now, and the

1692
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,000
potential that there is

1693
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,000
discussion about parking lots,

1694
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,000
and let's hope that we are not

1695
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,000
going to become a Johnny

1696
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,000
Mitchell song here, but given

1697
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,000
that there is two freezes on the

1698
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,000
forest, and given that they are

1699
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,000
potentially needs parking for

1700
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,000
the station, we would be

1701
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
possible for citizens and the

1702
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:28,000
city to work together and speak

1703
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,000
to the CDPQ or have a united

1704
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,000
voice about making sure we don't

1705
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000
put parking, pay one of the last

1706
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,000
green spaces in that area,

1707
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,000
actually the only last green

1708
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,000
space in that area, and keep the

1709
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,000
parking lot on something that is

1710
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,000
already paved. If there is a way

1711
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,000
to unite our voices for that,

1712
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,000
that would be amazing. It's hard

1713
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,000
to get information out of the

1714
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,000
CDPQ, but if there is

1715
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,000
discussions happening right, now

1716
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,000
maybe we should be part of those

1717
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,000
discussions, or at least have a

1718
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,000
voice as the city of

1719
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,000
Pointe-Claire saying there is a

1720
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,000
freeze, it's a CMM freeze, we

1721
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,000
don't think the parking lot

1722
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,060
should go there.

1723
01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:02,060
>> It's an excellent suggestion.

1724
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:03,060
There has been some discussion,

1725
01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:07,060
you are right. They have been

1726
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:10,060
secretive. All the REM process

1727
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:13,060
it is an interesting process to

1728
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:14,060
try to get a hold of information

1729
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:15,060
of. Ultimately, REM, and they do

1730
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:17,060
have the ultimate decision,

1731
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:20,060
regardless of anything. But yes,

1732
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:24,060
there wouldn't be any harm in

1733
01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:25,060
renewing discussion with the

1734
01:06:25,060 --> 01:06:28,060
City cute. Est-ce qu'on peut

1735
01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:31,060
arranger une réunion, pour

1736
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:34,060
suggérer cela? On peut en faire

1737
01:06:34,060 --> 01:06:37,060
Une. C'est une très bonne idée.

1738
01:06:37,060 --> 01:06:38,060
Certainly.

1739
01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:39,060
>> What would happen with the

1740
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:42,060
REM de last? La voix des

1741
01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:45,060
résidents, c'est important, et

1742
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:47,060
ça a affecté la finalité du

1743
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:51,060
projet. I feel like if the City

1744
01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:52,060
wants to have an impact we can

1745
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:53,060
have that impact. But we need to

1746
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:57,060
do at United. Anyway. I think

1747
01:06:57,060 --> 01:07:00,020
there is a lot of residents that

1748
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:01,020
would help you have that -- if

1749
01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:02,020
you wanted it.

1750
01:07:02,020 --> 01:07:04,020
>> Thank you for. That and it is

1751
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,020
a concern. It is a concern,

1752
01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:08,020
because there is inadequate

1753
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:09,020
parking. We sure don't want that

1754
01:07:09,020 --> 01:07:12,020
parking. It would be preferable

1755
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:14,020
for it not to go where we think

1756
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:15,020
--

1757
01:07:15,020 --> 01:07:17,020
>> Yeah. There is like a sea of

1758
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:18,020
asphalt everywhere, but we will

1759
01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:20,020
pave the last green space. That

1760
01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:21,020
makes absolutely no sense.

1761
01:07:21,020 --> 01:07:23,020
>> It doesn't to me.

1762
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:25,020
>> The environmental project. It

1763
01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:26,020
makes no sense.

1764
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:27,020
>> I agree with you.

1765
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:30,020
>> Okay, thanks.

1766
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:31,020
>> No, no, you have to go to the

1767
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:33,020
microphone.

1768
01:07:33,020 --> 01:07:36,020
[Inaudible]

1769
01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:40,020
Well --

1770
01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:41,020
>> I don't care.

1771
01:07:41,020 --> 01:07:43,020
>> CDPQ, cares -- Caisses de

1772
01:07:43,020 --> 01:07:46,020
dépôt et de placement du Québec.

1773
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:47,020
>> Okay.

1774
01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:50,020
[Inaudible]

1775
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:57,020
Joan dire?

1776
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,080
>> Back again this month because

1777
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,080
last month to my vehement

1778
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,080
objections you unanimously voted

1779
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,080
to approve highly disruptive

1780
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:22,080
plants to 220 lakeshore road. It

1781
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:27,080
was built by -- in 1994. These

1782
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,080
plans will hugely increase the

1783
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,080
volume of the original house and

1784
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,080
it's lot coverage, and will

1785
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,080
alter the streetscape of the one

1786
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,080
remaining block east of the

1787
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,080
village that's been undisturbed

1788
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,080
for 100 years. I think that's

1789
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,080
important. This one block

1790
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,080
between Karen E and bowling

1791
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:50,080
green where the houses -- there

1792
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,080
is a rhythm to this particular

1793
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,080
block, you don't get anywhere

1794
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,080
else because they've both been

1795
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,040
disturbed. There are old houses

1796
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,040
and newer houses. There are

1797
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,040
mongrel blocks. But this block

1798
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,040
is an authentic, undisturbed

1799
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:10,040
block. This whole business is

1800
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,040
going to infringe on my privacy

1801
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:15,040
and my piece. I was, to put it

1802
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,040
mildly, taken aback last month

1803
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,040
when Councillor Cowan accepted

1804
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,040
the project for 220 Lakeshore up

1805
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,040
for approval that night was a

1806
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,040
better plan than the original

1807
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,040
one presented in March 2021. But

1808
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,040
I had no idea that such a plan

1809
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,040
had come up for consideration

1810
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,040
two and a half years ago. I had

1811
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,040
no idea that there was such a

1812
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,040
plan for discussion, because

1813
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,040
since that plan was wholly

1814
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,040
complied with by the zoning

1815
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,040
bylaw, no minor exemptions were

1816
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,040
being sought at that time, and

1817
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,040
therefore I had not been

1818
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,040
officially notified back in

1819
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,040
2021. So I went home and called

1820
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,040
up the minutes and video of the

1821
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,040
March 21, 2021 meeting to

1822
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:58,040
discover that is supposedly

1823
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,000
inferior 2021 plan, as accepted

1824
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
by Councillor Cowan, had in fact

1825
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,000
been approved with conditions

1826
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,000
and suggestions by a split

1827
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,000
decision. Thanks to the casting

1828
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,000
vote of Mayor Belvedere. And

1829
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,000
that vote was actually a

1830
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,000
pantomime. There was no

1831
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,000
discussion. The resolution to

1832
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,000
approve this was moved by

1833
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,000
Councillor Bissonnette and

1834
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,000
seconded by Councillor Stork.

1835
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:24,000
And then the votes were split

1836
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,000
with for voting for and four

1837
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
against. -- he couldn't second

1838
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,000
the motion. He was replaced by

1839
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,000
Councillor Thorstad-Cullen.

1840
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,000
Belvedere was already moving on

1841
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,000
to the next item on the agenda

1842
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,000
when he woke up to the fact that

1843
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,000
it was a split decision,

1844
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,000
whereupon he then had to move

1845
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,000
back, cast as vote, and the

1846
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,000
motion was duly approved. The

1847
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:49,000
question is this. This plan was

1848
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,000
approved two and a half years

1849
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,000
ago. Why are we talking about a

1850
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,000
new plan now? So why are we here

1851
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000
are two and a half years later

1852
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,000
considering a unanimously

1853
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,060
approving this time a different

1854
01:11:00,060 --> 01:11:05,060
and much more disruptive plan

1855
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:07,060
that requires minor exemptions?

1856
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:08,060
The dissenting Councillors who

1857
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:09,060
voted against what was being

1858
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:13,060
proposed in 2021 where

1859
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:14,060
councillors Stainforth, Stork,

1860
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:17,060
coward, and casino. Can I ask

1861
01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:20,060
them to please explain how in

1862
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:24,060
their view a project that --

1863
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:26,060
coach and horses through the

1864
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:28,060
bylaw, no longer conforms to the

1865
01:11:28,060 --> 01:11:30,060
zoning bylaw, and now requires

1866
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:31,060
minor exemptions is better than

1867
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:33,060
in earlier one with no

1868
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:34,060
exemptions and conforms to the

1869
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:39,060
bylaw? To my mind, this doesn't

1870
01:11:40,060 --> 01:11:41,060
say much for your opinion of the

1871
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:43,060
validity of the zoning and state

1872
01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:45,060
bylaws which underpinned urban

1873
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:48,060
planning in the city. I would be

1874
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:50,060
interested to hear from the

1875
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:51,060
dissenting councillors why

1876
01:11:51,060 --> 01:11:54,060
they've changed their minds, and

1877
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:56,060
why this plan was presented last

1878
01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:58,060
month is better than the one

1879
01:11:58,060 --> 01:12:02,020
from two and a half years ago?

1880
01:12:02,020 --> 01:12:05,020
>> Absolutely.

1881
01:12:05,020 --> 01:12:06,020
>> When this first came up two

1882
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:08,020
and a half years ago, I brought

1883
01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:12,020
it to the attention of the --

1884
01:12:12,020 --> 01:12:15,020
which you are on the executive.

1885
01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:18,020
That association did not come to

1886
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:19,020
our aid, the dissenting

1887
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:23,020
councillors. And we lost that

1888
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:28,020
vote. I am not going to -- I

1889
01:12:28,020 --> 01:12:31,020
don't remember the details of

1890
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:33,020
that comparison today, but I'm

1891
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:34,020
prepared, if you want, if you

1892
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:36,020
address me later, I will go back

1893
01:12:36,020 --> 01:12:37,020
and pull out the file and study

1894
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:40,020
it. I will explain the vote.

1895
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:42,020
>> But I, mean you asserted last

1896
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:43,020
month that that was better.

1897
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:45,020
>> That was last month. A lot

1898
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:46,020
has happened since last month. I

1899
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:47,020
have to go back and look and see

1900
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:49,020
what I was talking about. I

1901
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:50,020
don't remember, you studied it.

1902
01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:54,020
>> Right. Does anybody else --

1903
01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:56,020
can anybody else tell me why

1904
01:12:56,020 --> 01:12:57,020
they changed their vote, why

1905
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:58,020
they are voting for this time

1906
01:12:58,020 --> 01:12:59,020
and then vote for a two and a

1907
01:12:59,020 --> 01:13:00,080
half years ago?

1908
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,080
>> Exactly the same reason as

1909
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,080
Councillor Cowan. Upon review of

1910
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,080
this project, this --

1911
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,080
>> A much better fit? You have

1912
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,080
to be joking. Right, okay. At

1913
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,080
last month's meeting, Mr. Cowan

1914
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,080
also volunteer the information

1915
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,080
that the opinion of the Heritage

1916
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:22,080
Association was sought in vain

1917
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:27,080
back in March 2021. There they

1918
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,080
go again tonight. And indeed,

1919
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,080
the opinion of the society was

1920
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,080
sought simply for the form of

1921
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,080
it, very much as an

1922
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,080
afterthought, without adequate

1923
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,080
time to respond, especially in

1924
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,080
the circumstances at the time,

1925
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,080
which was COVID lockdown and a

1926
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:46,080
curfew. Reconstructing the

1927
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,080
timeline from the minutes, the

1928
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,080
plans for 220 were out for

1929
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,080
consideration at the February

1930
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,080
the 8th meeting of the pact, and

1931
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,080
in most unusual, very odd, a

1932
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,080
subsequent special meeting of

1933
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,040
the pack system on 220 lakeshore

1934
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,040
was convened for March the 4th.

1935
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,040
The following weeks, council

1936
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,040
meeting March the 9th. When was

1937
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,040
the society approached for its

1938
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,040
input? An email was sent from

1939
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,040
the City to the society at 1:00,

1940
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:19,040
one PM on Tuesday, March the

1941
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,040
3rd, asking for its opinion with

1942
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,040
the deadline of the following

1943
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,040
Monday for its response. The

1944
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,040
pact was due to hold its special

1945
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:30,040
meeting the next day. The S S B

1946
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,040
C C could not have any input in

1947
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:33,040
the pack recommendation to

1948
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,040
Council. Any opinion produced by

1949
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,040
it, by the Monday deadline,

1950
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,040
would only be circulated to

1951
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,040
councillors at the last minute,

1952
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,040
ahead of the four PM Tuesday

1953
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:43,040
council meeting. This was in

1954
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,040
full COVID lockdown when curfew

1955
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:46,040
was in place and meetings were

1956
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,040
being held virtually at four PM

1957
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,040
with just the Mayor, the

1958
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,040
director general, and the clerk

1959
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,040
in the room, here, and the

1960
01:14:55,040 --> 01:15:00,000
councillors all on Zoom. Clearly

1961
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,000
involving the society at that

1962
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,000
stage was a complete

1963
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,000
afterthought, simply for the

1964
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,000
form of the thing. The plans had

1965
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,000
been submitted to the city at

1966
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,000
the end of January, for a

1967
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:15,000
February meeting. This is Heidi

1968
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,000
was only approached in March

1969
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,000
with less than a week to

1970
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:24,000
respond. As it happens, the

1971
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,000
society was between boards at

1972
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000
the time, because it had not yet

1973
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,000
met since the ATM to conserve

1974
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,000
the new executive. Whenever it

1975
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,000
was that the incoming president

1976
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,000
actually access the city's

1977
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,000
email, it was sent at lunchtime

1978
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,000
on the Tuesday, but we all have,

1979
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,000
lives we have lives, goodness

1980
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
knows when they actually saw the

1981
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,000
email. He decided to take no

1982
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,000
action in such short notice,

1983
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,000
since it could have no influence

1984
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,000
on the result. Adding insult to

1985
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:00,060
injury, the society's opinion

1986
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:03,060
had recently been sought in the

1987
01:16:03,060 --> 01:16:05,060
case of 198 Lakeshore and 61

1988
01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:06,060
King, and considerable time and

1989
01:16:06,060 --> 01:16:08,060
effort have been invested in

1990
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:11,060
producing solid -- to know

1991
01:16:11,060 --> 01:16:12,060
avail. You might as well not

1992
01:16:12,060 --> 01:16:16,060
bother. The developer got his

1993
01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:17,060
way and the demolition permit

1994
01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:22,060
both times. This raises the

1995
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:23,060
question of the city's

1996
01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:24,060
relationship with the heritage

1997
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:28,060
association. The S S PPC is a

1998
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:31,060
volunteer organization. The

1999
01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:33,060
numbers have lives and jobs and

2000
01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:34,060
jump to it when this 80 calls

2001
01:16:34,060 --> 01:16:37,060
calling in short notice. Except

2002
01:16:37,060 --> 01:16:39,060
in this particular instance I

2003
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:41,060
believe it always has done so

2004
01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:44,060
free, gravitas, and for nothing.

2005
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:46,060
Such's its commitment to

2006
01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:47,060
preserving Pointe-Claire's ever

2007
01:16:47,060 --> 01:16:49,060
dwindling heritage. The City

2008
01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:52,060
clearly feels entitles -- when

2009
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:55,060
it deems appropriate, offers no

2010
01:16:55,060 --> 01:16:56,060
support to the heritage

2011
01:16:56,060 --> 01:17:01,020
association. This raises a

2012
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:02,020
thorny question of the city's

2013
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:03,020
attitude and commitment to

2014
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:05,020
heritage and its relationship

2015
01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:08,020
with the association.

2016
01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:10,020
>> Mrs. drier.

2017
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:12,020
>> Why does the city not have a

2018
01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:16,020
heritage employee? And given the

2019
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:18,020
extent of the heritage employer

2020
01:17:18,020 --> 01:17:19,020
in Pointe-Claire, you think

2021
01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:20,020
there would be an employee on

2022
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:23,020
staff, or also tentatively an

2023
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:26,020
open contract with the heritage

2024
01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:27,020
organization to seek its input

2025
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:29,020
when necessary. That would cost

2026
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:34,020
money. The -- is expected to

2027
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:38,020
fill this role at will and for

2028
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:40,020
free which it does in good faith

2029
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:41,020
out of concern for the public

2030
01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:43,020
good, but there is no quid pro

2031
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:46,020
quo, Council -- any assistance

2032
01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:48,020
or make promises available that

2033
01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:50,020
would allow the SSPCC to

2034
01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:51,020
function more efficiently and

2035
01:17:51,020 --> 01:17:56,020
effectively. The question is,

2036
01:17:56,020 --> 01:17:58,020
since the association is

2037
01:17:58,020 --> 01:17:59,020
expected to partner with the

2038
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:00,080
City and cooperate with it at

2039
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,080
will, as you can, see Mr. Cowan

2040
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,080
expects that, when will the city

2041
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,080
return the favour and start

2042
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,080
cooperating with the heritage

2043
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,080
association and treat it as a

2044
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:12,080
valued partner instead of an

2045
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,080
enemy? Particularly in the

2046
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,080
matter of the agreement over the

2047
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:21,080
mill. That is my question. And

2048
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,080
follow-up.

2049
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,080
>> That's one heck of a

2050
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,080
question. I concur with much of

2051
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,080
what you've said.

2052
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:32,080
>> All of it, surely.

2053
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,080
>> I have to go back and review

2054
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,080
the question. What I concur

2055
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,080
with, I have to be very careful

2056
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,080
with what I concur with.

2057
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,080
However, your sentiments

2058
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,080
resonate powerfully with me. One

2059
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,080
of my goals as mayor is to have

2060
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,080
heritage play a greater role in

2061
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,080
our decision-making process,

2062
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,080
especially are packed committees

2063
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:56,080
and our urban planning. I'm a

2064
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,080
firm believer in it. I would

2065
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,080
love to have a greater. Roll and

2066
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:04,040
I do sense not a happy

2067
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,040
relationship between the

2068
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,040
administration and

2069
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:08,040
Pointe-Claire's heritage

2070
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,040
society. I recall -- I've known

2071
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,040
a few of the presidents over the

2072
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,040
years. Claude Arseneault being

2073
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,040
the most flamboyant. He used to

2074
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,040
always put a booth out on Canada

2075
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,040
Day and promote the society at

2076
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,040
candidate day. I remember one

2077
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:25,040
year in the last administration

2078
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,040
he was not allowed to do, so

2079
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,040
which was an unfortunate turn of

2080
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:32,040
events. About -- the city and

2081
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,040
the heritage society. I really

2082
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,040
would love to repair it. I would

2083
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,040
love to, and I agree with what

2084
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,040
you are saying.

2085
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,040
>> We need some premises, first

2086
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,040
and foremost, so that we can get

2087
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,040
all the files out of storage and

2088
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,040
set up shop.

2089
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,040
>> You need a place to locate

2090
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,040
your office. There are a lot of

2091
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,040
groups, unfortunately, in the

2092
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,040
same situation. Therein lies the

2093
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,040
problem. Our amount of office

2094
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,040
space vis-à-vis all the groups

2095
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,040
that won it, and we were talking

2096
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,040
about that in fact tonight. But

2097
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,000
yes, heritage is certainly

2098
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,000
prominence in that list of

2099
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,000
organizations that need places

2100
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,000
to set up. I think in a lot of

2101
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,000
cities they have their own

2102
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,000
offices, even in City Hall. It

2103
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,000
is surprising to me that it

2104
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,000
plays such a small role in the

2105
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,000
administration in Pointe-Claire.

2106
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,000
I love heritage to have a much

2107
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,000
more prominent role.

2108
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
>> Obviously, the problem lies

2109
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,000
in the fact that the heritage

2110
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,000
association is always speaking

2111
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000
truth to power, the power

2112
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,000
residing with the City. The City

2113
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,000
having very little care for its

2114
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,000
heritage. In particular the mill

2115
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,000
and the pioneer, et cetera, et

2116
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:40,000
cetera, et cetera. All these

2117
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,000
houses that have been allowed to

2118
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,000
be demolished. Now this one is

2119
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,000
going to be changed out of all

2120
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:49,000
recognition. We can't help but

2121
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,000
advocate and point this out. And

2122
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,000
has not been welcomed. It is as

2123
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,000
simple as that.

2124
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,060
>> Thank you, Miss wire.

2125
01:21:01,060 --> 01:21:02,060
>> Are we going to see some

2126
01:21:02,060 --> 01:21:03,060
progress?

2127
01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:06,060
>> I hope so. I certainly want

2128
01:21:06,060 --> 01:21:07,060
some.

2129
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:10,060
>> The question is, as my mother

2130
01:21:10,060 --> 01:21:11,060
would've, said live -- that was

2131
01:21:11,060 --> 01:21:12,060
a Scottish expression.

2132
01:21:12,060 --> 01:21:16,060
>> Thank you. Ron Rosen? Miss

2133
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:19,060
Madame Thibault... Thibault, how

2134
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:20,060
much time is left?

2135
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:21,060
>> 19 minutes left.

2136
01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:23,060
>> 19? Okay. We should make it

2137
01:21:23,060 --> 01:21:26,060
through the list. Just to point

2138
01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:28,060
out to the gentleman earlier

2139
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:29,060
that we will actually allow

2140
01:21:29,060 --> 01:21:30,060
everyone to speak.

2141
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:31,060
>> This is strictly a water tax

2142
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:32,060
issue.

2143
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:33,060
>> Okay, okay.

2144
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:34,060
>> Something I'd like to get

2145
01:21:34,060 --> 01:21:36,060
some help on. Very simple, I

2146
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:37,060
promise you two minutes, that's

2147
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:39,060
it. I've been in Pointe-Claire

2148
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:41,060
since 1991. I've had water tax

2149
01:21:41,060 --> 01:21:42,060
bills of about 200 bucks a

2150
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:44,060
month. The last couple of years

2151
01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:46,060
before have been in the 300

2152
01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:51,060
dollar range. This year, $800.

2153
01:21:51,060 --> 01:21:53,060
Yeah. I quickly called the City

2154
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:54,060
thinking something must be wrong

2155
01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:55,060
with a metre, because we are

2156
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:56,060
less people in the house, we

2157
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:57,060
don't have a pool, we don't have

2158
01:21:57,060 --> 01:21:58,060
a hot, that we don't have

2159
01:21:58,060 --> 01:21:59,060
anything leaking, there is no

2160
01:21:59,060 --> 01:22:01,020
flooding around. I asked what

2161
01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:04,020
to, do they were very quick to,

2162
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:05,020
response when we had to check

2163
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:06,020
the water metre, out to do so --

2164
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:07,020
serious calisthenics to take

2165
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:08,020
pictures of the water metre

2166
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:09,020
which is buried in the laundry

2167
01:22:09,020 --> 01:22:12,020
room. Sadly for me, the water

2168
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:15,020
metre is working perfectly. So

2169
01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:17,020
we went scrambling around, my

2170
01:22:17,020 --> 01:22:18,020
wife and, I try to find where is

2171
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:19,020
the lead. We see no water

2172
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:22,020
anywhere. Nothing is around.

2173
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:23,020
Finally we go and into the

2174
01:22:23,020 --> 01:22:24,020
unfinished part of the basement,

2175
01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:27,020
which we rarely go to at all.

2176
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:28,020
And we found this little

2177
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:30,020
trickling sound. We heard it. My

2178
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:31,020
wife, smarter than me for sure,

2179
01:22:31,020 --> 01:22:33,020
says turn off the toilet

2180
01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:35,020
upstairs. That was it.

2181
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:38,020
Ironically, our low water

2182
01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:39,020
toilet, which we've got to save

2183
01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:40,020
water, and it up costing me like

2184
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:43,020
800 bucks here.

2185
01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:45,020
>> The previous, bill the total

2186
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:47,020
was 800. The previous bill was,

2187
01:22:47,020 --> 01:22:51,020
two or three? So it's $500.

2188
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:53,020
>> $500, fantastic, which is now

2189
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:54,020
my lot, I have a picture of, it

2190
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:55,020
it's been taken out and removed

2191
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:57,020
quickly. The city told me it's

2192
01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:58,020
not really much we can do about.

2193
01:22:58,020 --> 01:22:59,020
It it is water that is used,

2194
01:22:59,020 --> 01:23:01,080
even though it wasn't used

2195
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:02,080
through personal use or anything

2196
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,080
like, that they suggest I speak

2197
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,080
to my Councillor person, Mr.

2198
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:06,080
Cowan suggested I come here and

2199
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,080
plead my case. Obviously the

2200
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,080
water is used, it's run through.

2201
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,080
I'm hoping the City can do

2202
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,080
something about the bill.

2203
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,080
>> What is the address?

2204
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:16,080
>> 295 St. Louis. I pay the

2205
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,080
first part of it, which is

2206
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,080
already 100 more than I would

2207
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,080
usually pain a year. I hope

2208
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,080
hoping to get something reduced,

2209
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:25,080
I don't know if it's possible or

2210
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,080
not. From what I understand for

2211
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,080
Mr. Cowan, the waters from the

2212
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,080
City of Montréal, they strictly

2213
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,080
belief or usage, and you build

2214
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:35,080
back the citizens. I have

2215
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,080
another suggestion on something

2216
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,080
else.

2217
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:38,080
>> I will just turn it over to

2218
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,080
Miss Verdun. Do you have

2219
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,080
anything to add to this

2220
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:44,080
gentleman's dilemma as far as

2221
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,080
procedurally what we can do

2222
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,080
about it -- his toilet lead?

2223
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,080
What is our standard operating

2224
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,080
procedure on something like

2225
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:52,080
this?

2226
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,080
>> It's impossible for us to

2227
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,080
know anything was going on with

2228
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,080
this, obviously.

2229
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,080
>> We already spoke with in

2230
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,040
caucus all that issue. For the

2231
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:06,040
size of the -- all citizens have

2232
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,040
to pay for the water they

2233
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,040
consume. We will have to have

2234
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,040
that discussion again with the

2235
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,040
caucus.

2236
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,040
>> Isn't there standard

2237
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,040
operating procedures?

2238
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:21,040
>> All the citizens pay for --

2239
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,040
unfortunately for you -- for the

2240
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,040
water that they consume. We have

2241
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:26,040
a presentation in two weeks

2242
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,040
regarding that.

2243
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,040
>> Because I don't think that's

2244
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,040
ultimately a caucus decision on

2245
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,040
how to deal with -- how we

2246
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,040
normally deal with the water

2247
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:37,040
from toilets. I would assume

2248
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,040
that the professionals who deal

2249
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,040
with water taxes are the ones

2250
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,040
who survey and decide on the

2251
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,040
amounts and who pays. The water

2252
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,040
taxes.

2253
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,040
>> It's on water consumption.

2254
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,040
You all have metres in your

2255
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,040
basement. In the basement, with

2256
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,040
the metres. All citizen have to

2257
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,040
pay for the consumption of the

2258
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,000
water that they use. Each year,

2259
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,000
we bring up before that time all

2260
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,000
the water consumption in the

2261
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:12,000
city. The administration cannot

2262
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,000
do any credit on citizens. It's

2263
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,000
not something that we can do.

2264
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,000
>> Mr. Cousineau? You want to

2265
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,000
speak?

2266
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
>> Right off the top of my head,

2267
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:24,000
I know that you can finance it

2268
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,000
without interest. It doesn't

2269
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,000
help you right now.

2270
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,000
>> It's not an issue of paying

2271
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,000
the bill. It's just a question

2272
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,000
of logic over here, we are

2273
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,000
obviously was not water that was

2274
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,000
used for any purpose. I did not

2275
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:40,000
take a six month shower.

2276
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,000
[Inaudible]

2277
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,000
The lady is telling me to pay

2278
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,000
the bill. Can you take some of

2279
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,000
that money for the second part

2280
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,000
of the bill?

2281
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,000
>> Your subsequent question?

2282
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,000
>> I can see that's not going to

2283
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,000
get anywhere right now. There is

2284
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,060
a cross walk at back Park on Del

2285
01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:04,060
Mar Street. And that is in bad

2286
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:05,060
need of some lights on St.

2287
01:26:05,060 --> 01:26:07,060
Louis. You put up a light system

2288
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:08,060
where anybody can push a button.

2289
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:10,060
There is flashing lights, really

2290
01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:12,060
alerts the cars as to what is

2291
01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:14,060
going on. It's a fairly dark

2292
01:26:14,060 --> 01:26:15,060
area across that park,

2293
01:26:15,060 --> 01:26:17,060
especially at night. It is super

2294
01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:19,060
dangerous. I've gone so many

2295
01:26:19,060 --> 01:26:20,060
times walking with my dog,

2296
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:22,060
daily, multiple times a day.

2297
01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:24,060
People don't stop. It's not like

2298
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:26,060
Toronto. Toronto, you step off

2299
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:27,060
the sidewalk and people actually

2300
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:29,060
stop at crosswalks. Here, no. I

2301
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:30,060
would say eight out of ten just

2302
01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:33,060
keep going right through. So if

2303
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:34,060
something could be done with,

2304
01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:35,060
that that same system could be

2305
01:26:35,060 --> 01:26:36,060
added, there that would be

2306
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:37,060
great. Cars were definitely

2307
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:38,060
noticed, you it would be a lot

2308
01:26:38,060 --> 01:26:39,060
safer.

2309
01:26:39,060 --> 01:26:40,060
>> Thank you. I appreciate that.

2310
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:44,060
>> All right.

2311
01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:49,060
>> Mr. L daddy?

2312
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:59,060
>> Good evening. --

2313
01:27:00,020 --> 01:27:03,020
>> I can't hear you.

2314
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:05,020
>> I have to put in my mouth.

2315
01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:08,020
>> Stay closer, yes.

2316
01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:09,020
>> Okay. I'm talking about a

2317
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:13,020
traffic jam which is every day

2318
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:16,020
going on there. It was on the

2319
01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:18,020
condo and the increasing

2320
01:27:18,020 --> 01:27:20,020
population. And you have any

2321
01:27:20,020 --> 01:27:24,020
plan to try to save this trouble

2322
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:26,020
for us? Because I have

2323
01:27:26,020 --> 01:27:29,020
experience to try to get the

2324
01:27:29,020 --> 01:27:31,020
transportation to go -- I'm

2325
01:27:31,020 --> 01:27:33,020
talking about Saint-Jean from

2326
01:27:33,020 --> 01:27:36,020
north to south, south the north.

2327
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:39,020
I try to get transportation from

2328
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:40,020
Saint-Jean and Hymus to go all

2329
01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:42,020
the way to Pierrefonds, where

2330
01:27:42,020 --> 01:27:47,020
there is a profit go. The bus I

2331
01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:50,020
take one hour and ten minute to

2332
01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:52,020
go around the city before we go

2333
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:56,020
to Pierrefonds. And if I walk

2334
01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:57,020
it's going to take me about one

2335
01:27:57,020 --> 01:28:01,080
hour. If I take a bike and I did

2336
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,080
all that to come here to tell

2337
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:05,080
you exactly, if I take a bike, I

2338
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,080
take the bike already, and I

2339
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,080
walk, it took me one hour. I

2340
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,080
took the bike. It takes me about

2341
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:15,080
maximum between 20 to 25

2342
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,080
minutes. Even if I stop in every

2343
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,080
corner, every stop sign, and

2344
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,080
every traffic, taking about 20,

2345
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:28,080
25 minutes. So what the City

2346
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:29,080
Plante --

2347
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,080
>> Excuse me. Gentlemen, in the

2348
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:34,080
back, thank you. Go ahead, sir.

2349
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:38,080
>> Why you don't try to do like

2350
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,080
-- for the bike. I have to write

2351
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,080
the bike from the sidewalk, it

2352
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:44,080
is very dangerous to drive it in

2353
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:48,080
Saint-Jean. If you are already

2354
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,080
there, you slow the traffic and

2355
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:51,080
it's not really helpful for

2356
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,080
everybody. Does the city have

2357
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,080
any plan to help -- the lady was

2358
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,080
talking about the environment.

2359
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,040
To help people and encourage

2360
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:01,040
people to go with a bike from

2361
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,040
north to south or south to

2362
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,040
north? The sidewalk, you can't

2363
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,040
write it, or the middle you can

2364
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:10,040
have a bike, the middle line

2365
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,040
between the two roads, you can

2366
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:16,040
add the bike. Do you have any

2367
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,040
plans for the?

2368
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:22,040
>> There is a plant. There is a

2369
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,040
planned bicycle pedestrian

2370
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,040
overpass to get over the 40.

2371
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,040
There is one in the works

2372
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:28,040
potentially, but we will see.

2373
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,040
>> But when is that here?

2374
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:31,040
>> Pardon me?

2375
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:32,040
>> When is it going to be?

2376
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,040
>> Soon. I think in a year.

2377
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:39,040
2026, Councillor, just

2378
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,040
confirmed. Not far, it is still

2379
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,040
2026. There is one in the works.

2380
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,040
But there should be more. I

2381
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,040
agree with you. North-south, I

2382
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:52,040
think I would love to extend the

2383
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:53,040
corridor. They built the REM to,

2384
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,040
low so it makes it really hard

2385
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:58,040
to build an overpass there,

2386
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,040
which would've been great.

2387
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,000
Instead, we have to rely on a

2388
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,000
tunnel if we want to extend the

2389
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,000
corridor, which would've been

2390
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,000
the natural one. Yes, you're

2391
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:11,000
right. It is a real problem,

2392
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,000
public transit crisis in

2393
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,000
Pointe-Claire. Absolutely.

2394
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000
North-south is our problem and

2395
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,000
getting over the 40 in the 20 is

2396
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,000
not an easy thing. And to take a

2397
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,000
bicycle, I'm a cyclist, and

2398
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,000
going, you are right, going

2399
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,000
north, I wouldn't write on

2400
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,000
Saint-Jean myself. I just

2401
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,000
wouldn't do it. And it is an

2402
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,000
issue. But even taking a car to

2403
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,000
go to Pierrefonds takes you

2404
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,000
longer to drive to Pierrefonds

2405
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,000
than it does to drive to

2406
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,000
downtown Montréal, which is a

2407
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,000
real problem. It will be a

2408
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,000
problem getting to the REM. It's

2409
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,000
a real issue getting to the REM.

2410
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,000
It's in many ways faster to go

2411
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,000
to your car to go downtown and

2412
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,000
take the old CPR route to go to

2413
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,000
the REM. It is a real problem

2414
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,000
and it's one that I am well

2415
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,000
aware of. It has to be resolved

2416
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,000
somehow going forward.

2417
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,000
Unfortunately, it is an

2418
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,000
expensive problem to solve. But

2419
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,060
you are 100 percent right.

2420
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:04,060
>> I hope very soon. I did it --

2421
01:31:04,060 --> 01:31:06,060
I'm telling you my experience.

2422
01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:08,060
The second question, for two

2423
01:31:08,060 --> 01:31:10,060
years you have the freeze. What

2424
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:13,060
is the plan after that?

2425
01:31:13,060 --> 01:31:15,060
>> The what for two years?

2426
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:16,060
>> The freezing for all the

2427
01:31:16,060 --> 01:31:19,060
condo and high-rise building.

2428
01:31:19,060 --> 01:31:21,060
Did you have any plans to

2429
01:31:21,060 --> 01:31:24,060
convince this developer, or

2430
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:26,060
encourage him to go in the

2431
01:31:26,060 --> 01:31:28,060
single house for the family and

2432
01:31:28,060 --> 01:31:30,060
next generation? And also for

2433
01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:33,060
the citizen living with their

2434
01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:34,060
parents waiting to have the

2435
01:31:34,060 --> 01:31:37,060
right house. Any plan for that

2436
01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:40,060
to help that exists?

2437
01:31:40,060 --> 01:31:42,060
>> In our current levels and

2438
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:44,060
needs of densification, single

2439
01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:45,060
family homes are going to be

2440
01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:46,060
hard to come by. That is for

2441
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:48,060
sure. The use of development

2442
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:50,060
space, that is a challenge. What

2443
01:31:50,060 --> 01:31:53,060
I can tell you is that we are in

2444
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:55,060
the process of coming up with an

2445
01:31:55,060 --> 01:31:56,060
urban plan. We've all talked

2446
01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:58,060
about this. We would like it to

2447
01:31:58,060 --> 01:32:00,020
go more quickly than it is, all

2448
01:32:00,020 --> 01:32:04,020
of us, I think, I would like the

2449
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:04,020
consultation process to be

2450
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:09,020
accelerated. I don't find it

2451
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:11,020
moves quite quickly enough to

2452
01:32:11,020 --> 01:32:13,020
resolve or come up with what the

2453
01:32:13,020 --> 01:32:14,020
systems would like as an urban

2454
01:32:14,020 --> 01:32:17,020
planner. What the end result

2455
01:32:17,020 --> 01:32:18,020
would be would be helpful and

2456
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:20,020
the quicker the better. You're

2457
01:32:20,020 --> 01:32:23,020
absolutely right on that.

2458
01:32:23,020 --> 01:32:25,020
>> I would encourage the

2459
01:32:25,020 --> 01:32:26,020
developer to go for the single

2460
01:32:26,020 --> 01:32:28,020
housing, really.

2461
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:31,020
>> That is your interpretation.

2462
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:34,020
We are doing a consultation.

2463
01:32:34,020 --> 01:32:35,020
There will be a consultation

2464
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:36,020
that will have some influence on

2465
01:32:36,020 --> 01:32:39,020
what happens. Not your opinion,

2466
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:40,020
sir, with all due respect. We

2467
01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:43,020
have to listen to whatever --

2468
01:32:43,020 --> 01:32:44,020
what a lot of the results will

2469
01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:46,020
be and go according. I'm hoping

2470
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:48,020
that the citizen consultation

2471
01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:49,020
will help us in devising and

2472
01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:51,020
urban plan that will lead to the

2473
01:32:51,020 --> 01:32:54,020
liking of the popular citizens.

2474
01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:55,020
>> The city councillor goes

2475
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:58,020
ahead and convince them to be a

2476
01:32:58,020 --> 01:33:01,080
leader on this, to help them and

2477
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,080
encourage them to go from the

2478
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,080
citizen. And for the

2479
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,080
environment, we thank you for

2480
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:11,080
thank you. Yes, you don't care

2481
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,080
about the environment. Us, we

2482
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:14,080
care about the environment

2483
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:18,080
because we have kids. We already

2484
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,080
care for city -- we are looking

2485
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,080
at -- they brought you a chair

2486
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:26,080
in the primary school to remind

2487
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,080
you of the environment. My kids

2488
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,080
all graduate from the school. So

2489
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:32,080
I thank, you Mister Mayor, for

2490
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,080
take care of the environment.

2491
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,080
And I hope we all care about.

2492
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,080
Thank you. Thank you very much.

2493
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,080
Thank you, everybody. I wish you

2494
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:42,080
all the well.

2495
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,080
>> Thank you. Lynn Conway?

2496
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,080
>> Good evening. A gentleman

2497
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,080
earlier this evening spoke about

2498
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,040
his street, Larouche. Whatever

2499
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,040
you plan or decide for that

2500
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,040
street, I think you can also

2501
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:07,040
plan the same thing for my

2502
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:11,040
street. Because it is the same

2503
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,040
exact thing. We get this bill

2504
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:15,040
off from St. John's. It is going

2505
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,040
to be a construction deal with a

2506
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:22,040
mass that dealership. And the

2507
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,040
street cannot be widened

2508
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,040
anymore. Those streets that were

2509
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,040
built during the horse and buggy

2510
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:29,040
days. That's why the streets are

2511
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,040
narrow and it is just too much

2512
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,040
traffic on the streets. Whatever

2513
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:37,040
you plan for that, street you

2514
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,040
can also plan for this street.

2515
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:41,040
Please.

2516
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,040
>> Is that your question?

2517
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,040
>> Keep that in mind, yes.

2518
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,040
>> I'm astonished whenever I

2519
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:47,040
drive on May with. I usually

2520
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,040
have to pull in behind a parked

2521
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,040
car to allow the other car to go

2522
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,040
by before I go out. I do it all

2523
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,040
the time.

2524
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:56,040
>> You can't have two cars

2525
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:57,040
meeting.

2526
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:58,040
>> Absolutely. Your point is way

2527
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,000
well taken. How about posters

2528
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,000
that's a local traffic only? Use

2529
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,000
it as a's bill off to come to

2530
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,000
the city.

2531
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,000
>> We have an excellent traffic

2532
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,000
committee. No idea is --

2533
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,000
>> Posters for traffic only.

2534
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:17,000
>> Okay.

2535
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,000
>> Sounds good?

2536
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,000
>> I live on Cartier. You should

2537
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,000
try that. It's really

2538
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,000
interesting. We had to teach it

2539
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,000
-- you are raising a point

2540
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,000
earlier, we would have to tell

2541
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,000
our children, make sure you make

2542
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,000
eye contact when your crossing.

2543
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,000
Make sure you make eye contact.

2544
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:32,000
I have seen four, five people

2545
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:36,000
get hit, put up on the hood, but

2546
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,000
not actually knocked down, but

2547
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,000
drivers actually taking people

2548
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,000
across. It's unbelievable.

2549
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,000
>> What is even different from

2550
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,000
delay Roe Street is people don't

2551
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,000
even try to play street hockey.

2552
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:50,000
And also because of the schools

2553
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,000
that are around on Douglas -- a

2554
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,000
lot of kids don't qualify for

2555
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,060
the bus so the bus is like one

2556
01:36:00,060 --> 01:36:03,060
point something kilometers, in

2557
01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:05,060
the radius of that distance. So

2558
01:36:05,060 --> 01:36:09,060
a lot of the students use

2559
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:11,060
Maywood in the morning and

2560
01:36:11,060 --> 01:36:13,060
evening. All the kids walking on

2561
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:18,060
that street. So just a question.

2562
01:36:19,060 --> 01:36:20,060
>> Everybody that leaves the

2563
01:36:20,060 --> 01:36:22,060
arena.

2564
01:36:22,060 --> 01:36:23,060
>> Excuse, me ma'am.

2565
01:36:23,060 --> 01:36:27,060
>> The coffee a Tim Hortons.

2566
01:36:27,060 --> 01:36:28,060
>> Point taken. Point taken,

2567
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:29,060
thank you.

2568
01:36:29,060 --> 01:36:32,060
>> And also for the the meeting

2569
01:36:32,060 --> 01:36:36,060
for the October 25, the

2570
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:38,060
Planning, program which -- I

2571
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:41,060
tend as much as I can. People

2572
01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:43,060
have to register as soon as

2573
01:36:43,060 --> 01:36:44,060
possible. There is a deadline to

2574
01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:46,060
apply, but actually people have

2575
01:36:46,060 --> 01:36:47,060
to apply a soon as possible,

2576
01:36:47,060 --> 01:36:48,060
because all the spots Philip. It

2577
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:50,060
is limited. In the past, it has

2578
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:53,060
been limited. When the spots

2579
01:36:53,060 --> 01:36:54,060
Philip, then you don't have

2580
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:59,060
access to go. Just a reminder

2581
01:36:59,060 --> 01:37:00,020
for everybody.

2582
01:37:00,020 --> 01:37:04,020
>> Okay thank you. Thank you.

2583
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:09,020
Merci, Madame. Okay. O.K.!

2584
01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:11,020
>> There's another gentlemen,

2585
01:37:11,020 --> 01:37:12,020
yes.

2586
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:13,020
>> I don't have him on my list.

2587
01:37:13,020 --> 01:37:16,020
>> Mr. John Corvette.

2588
01:37:16,020 --> 01:37:17,020
>> It's not on my list. Sorry,

2589
01:37:17,020 --> 01:37:21,020
sir.

2590
01:37:21,020 --> 01:37:26,020
>> Good evening. Three strikes

2591
01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:28,020
and you are out. I'm here for

2592
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:33,020
traffic to. I live on Chester

2593
01:37:34,020 --> 01:37:35,020
Avenue.

2594
01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:36,020
>> Closer to the microphone,

2595
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:37,020
sir.

2596
01:37:37,020 --> 01:37:38,020
>> Sorry. I live on Chester

2597
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:39,020
Avenue, two houses up from the

2598
01:37:39,020 --> 01:37:41,020
first circle. I don't know if

2599
01:37:41,020 --> 01:37:45,020
you are aware that about three

2600
01:37:45,020 --> 01:37:47,020
weeks ago there was a young lad

2601
01:37:47,020 --> 01:37:52,020
on Chester that was run over on

2602
01:37:52,020 --> 01:37:53,020
both legs. He's got pins in his

2603
01:37:53,020 --> 01:37:55,020
legs now. We moved in there in

2604
01:37:55,020 --> 01:38:00,080
1980. Every entrance into the

2605
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:06,080
circle, there was a stop sign.

2606
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,080
People didn't stop. They did the

2607
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:11,080
American stock. Now that we've

2608
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:14,080
got all those apartment

2609
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,080
buildings there, people are not

2610
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,080
using sources. And they are

2611
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:23,080
cutting in and coming down

2612
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:28,080
Chester. I just had my driveway

2613
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,080
cleaned all up yesterday. The

2614
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,080
guy that was driving the things

2615
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,080
said, my God, the traffic here

2616
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:40,080
is unbelievable. And they don't

2617
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,080
stop and they go fast. He says,

2618
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:46,080
I'm backing out with my big

2619
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:49,080
truck, and I've got to have a

2620
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:53,080
swivel on my head. Something's

2621
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:57,080
got to be done. If they will

2622
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,080
build another apartment building

2623
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:02,040
where the post office is, and

2624
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,040
another one where the Kentucky

2625
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:06,040
fried chicken was on cardinal in

2626
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:08,040
Dorval, that is just adding more

2627
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:13,040
and more traffic. So I would

2628
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:16,040
like to seek some speed bumps

2629
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:21,040
for the entrances for all those

2630
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:26,040
two speed -- or two circles.

2631
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:27,040
Because somebody is going to be

2632
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:31,040
killed. I hate to say, it could

2633
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:36,040
be an older kid like me. I'm 84.

2634
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,040
There is one of my neighbours.

2635
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:43,040
She can vouch for it. If we

2636
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,040
can't have speed bumps, I would

2637
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:52,040
like you to go on the street

2638
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:56,040
that runs -- what is the name of

2639
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:59,040
the street? Excuse me. Because

2640
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,000
Mount Pleasant feeds a lot of

2641
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,000
people, or cars in there. There

2642
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,000
is a number of houses on the

2643
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:18,000
corners where you have to go out

2644
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,000
on to mount pleasant to see the

2645
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,000
cars coming. I don't know how

2646
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,000
many times. I know one day I was

2647
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,000
going along Mount Pleasant and I

2648
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,000
was turning on Queen's. The

2649
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:34,000
person on bicycle decided to

2650
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:37,000
cross, cut across and ran right

2651
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,000
into my truck. Something's got

2652
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,000
to be done. Your city should

2653
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,000
turn around and go and check

2654
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:46,000
from Dalloway right down to the

2655
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,000
circles and make sure that these

2656
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,000
people have cut back on their

2657
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:56,000
shrubs, so it makes it easier

2658
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,000
for people to see. Can I get

2659
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:02,060
some kind of a thing from you to

2660
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:05,060
say you will look at it?

2661
01:41:05,060 --> 01:41:06,060
>> Yeah.

2662
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:07,060
>> What about speed bumps?

2663
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:08,060
>> Speed bumps, that is an

2664
01:41:08,060 --> 01:41:10,060
interesting debate. We don't

2665
01:41:10,060 --> 01:41:11,060
have them in Pointe-Claire.

2666
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:12,060
There has been --

2667
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:14,060
>> You do.

2668
01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:15,060
>> Oh, we do?

2669
01:41:15,060 --> 01:41:18,060
>> Where do we have them?

2670
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:19,060
>> When is the last time that

2671
01:41:19,060 --> 01:41:21,060
you look at the employees

2672
01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:22,060
parking lot. You have speed

2673
01:41:22,060 --> 01:41:23,060
bumps there.

2674
01:41:23,060 --> 01:41:24,060
>> Yeah, I did know there was

2675
01:41:24,060 --> 01:41:25,060
speed bumps in the employee

2676
01:41:25,060 --> 01:41:26,060
parking lots.

2677
01:41:26,060 --> 01:41:27,060
>> It's good for the goose is.

2678
01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:32,060
>> Interesting point. The

2679
01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:33,060
general -- we don't have them in

2680
01:41:33,060 --> 01:41:34,060
Pointe-Claire. If there are some

2681
01:41:34,060 --> 01:41:37,060
they are private, usually. But

2682
01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:42,060
it's an interesting point.

2683
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:43,060
Always a debate whether we

2684
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:45,060
should or shouldn't. There has,

2685
01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:47,060
over the years, there has been a

2686
01:41:47,060 --> 01:41:49,060
consensus in Pointe-Claire

2687
01:41:49,060 --> 01:41:50,060
politics not to have them.

2688
01:41:50,060 --> 01:41:53,060
>> My problem is why did they

2689
01:41:53,060 --> 01:41:54,060
take down the stop signs to

2690
01:41:54,060 --> 01:41:55,060
begin with?

2691
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:58,060
>> That's a whole other issue.

2692
01:41:58,060 --> 01:41:59,060
That can certainly be looked

2693
01:41:59,060 --> 01:42:00,020
into for sure.

2694
01:42:00,020 --> 01:42:04,020
>> If it keeps up, getting a

2695
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:05,020
quart of wood and the first guy

2696
01:42:05,020 --> 01:42:06,020
I see coming down there he's

2697
01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:09,020
going to get a 16 inch piece of

2698
01:42:09,020 --> 01:42:10,020
wood in his windshield.

2699
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:14,020
>> Well. I would encourage you

2700
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:16,020
to refrain on that one.

2701
01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:20,020
[Laughter]

2702
01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:21,020
We had an interesting -- it's

2703
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:23,020
funny, we had a semi traffic

2704
01:42:23,020 --> 01:42:27,020
circle situation in front of a

2705
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:28,020
Pointe-Claire school. We ended

2706
01:42:28,020 --> 01:42:30,020
up putting a sign up for a

2707
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:31,020
similar reason. It sounds like

2708
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:34,020
in the Chester example -- the

2709
01:42:34,020 --> 01:42:36,020
use of a stop sign maybe a

2710
01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:38,020
solution there. I have to speak

2711
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:39,020
to Mark and the traffic

2712
01:42:39,020 --> 01:42:40,020
committee.

2713
01:42:40,020 --> 01:42:42,020
>> Do something to -- I don't

2714
01:42:42,020 --> 01:42:43,020
care if there is a sign up

2715
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:46,020
there, a stop sign. People are

2716
01:42:46,020 --> 01:42:47,020
doing in American stock. Fine,

2717
01:42:47,020 --> 01:42:48,020
but at least they are slowing

2718
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:50,020
down. That is the sad part about

2719
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:54,020
it. And on my street, it's

2720
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:59,020
mostly seniors. You know? That

2721
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,080
is my request.

2722
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,080
>> As was the case for the

2723
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,080
gentleman from De La Roche, we

2724
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,080
do have a density problem

2725
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,080
vis-à-vis-ish infrastructure. As

2726
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:13,080
you mentioned, people are not

2727
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:16,080
using sources. This is a result

2728
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,080
of having an awful lot of people

2729
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,080
in an area with not enough roads

2730
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:24,080
to let them park.

2731
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:25,080
>> I will wait to see what

2732
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:26,080
happens.

2733
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:27,080
>> You know, it's a very good

2734
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:31,080
question. What I'm taking away

2735
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,080
from this is, looking after the

2736
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:37,080
shrubs from how they do from --

2737
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:38,080
>> In reality, I can tell you

2738
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,080
right now, there is three. There

2739
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:44,080
is one of the corner of Queens,

2740
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,080
right across from the church. It

2741
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,080
is not a hedge. It is all trees.

2742
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:53,080
You have to get out in the mount

2743
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:54,080
pleasant to see anything come

2744
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:57,080
from your left. Following down

2745
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:01,040
on Mount Pleasant, you hit

2746
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,040
another house that is right on

2747
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,040
the circle if you are coming

2748
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,040
down Chester, you can't see what

2749
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,040
is coming down Mount Pleasant.

2750
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,040
Going around the circle, the

2751
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:15,040
house that is on the east,

2752
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:19,040
southeast side, this fellow,

2753
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,040
it's the way his lot is shaped.

2754
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:24,040
But he has tried to cut back.

2755
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,040
But you still have to slow down

2756
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:28,040
and look. I don't know how many

2757
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:29,040
times I've got a slab on my

2758
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:34,040
bricks. This is a safety issue,

2759
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:35,040
as far as I'm concerned.

2760
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,040
>> Fair enough. This is what --

2761
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,040
did you want to answer, Cynthia?

2762
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:40,040
>> I just wanted to mention,

2763
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:43,040
there is actually a lot in the

2764
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:44,040
city called triangle visibility.

2765
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,040
If you have any of those

2766
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,040
situations, the best thing is to

2767
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,040
let your councillor know or call

2768
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,040
Public Security. They will come

2769
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:53,040
and measure all of that. And if

2770
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:54,040
it needs to be cut back, they

2771
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:58,040
will. Perhaps we can send public

2772
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,000
security to look at that area

2773
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,000
for you.

2774
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:02,000
>> I know myself I would

2775
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:03,000
appreciate it.

2776
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:04,000
>> No problem.

2777
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,000
>> It could be brought to the

2778
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,000
traffic committee.

2779
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,000
>> Or just public security right

2780
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:12,000
away. What did you write? Queen,

2781
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,000
Chester, Mount Pleasant. It

2782
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,000
would be helpful if we had the

2783
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:17,000
actual address.

2784
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:19,000
>> I think I outrank you in

2785
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:23,000
hockey coaches. 40 years.

2786
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:24,000
>> I did eight. Thank you very

2787
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:29,000
much.

2788
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,000
>> The father for pertaining to

2789
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,000
the register health September

2790
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,000
8th, the 22nd, 2023, with

2791
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,000
respect to bylaw 29. Just hold

2792
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:42,000
on a second. Held with respect

2793
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:48,000
to the bylaw 29 60 long term

2794
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,000
borrowing in the amount of

2795
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,000
19,000,500 for phase two of the

2796
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,000
Public Awards Building

2797
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,000
extension. No signatures were

2798
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,000
received. The bylaw has deemed

2799
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,000
to be approved by the qualified

2800
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:03,060
voters. 5.2 Avis de motion et

2801
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:05,060
dépôt d'un projet de Règlement

2802
01:46:05,060 --> 01:46:06,060
décrétant les tarifs exigibles

2803
01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:07,060
pour le financement de biens,

2804
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:08,060
services et activités offerts

2805
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:09,060
par la Ville de Pointe-Claire

2806
01:46:09,060 --> 01:46:11,060
pour l'exercice financier 2024,

2807
01:46:11,060 --> 01:46:12,060
de façon générale, la

2808
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:14,060
tarification des biens et

2809
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:17,060
services a été augmenté de 3,5%,

2810
01:46:17,060 --> 01:46:19,060
malgré un IPC qui était de 6,8%

2811
01:46:19,060 --> 01:46:20,060
pour la dernière année dans la

2812
01:46:20,060 --> 01:46:22,060
région du Canada. La

2813
01:46:22,060 --> 01:46:23,060
tarification pour le non

2814
01:46:23,060 --> 01:46:24,060
résidentiel est établi en

2815
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:25,060
fonction d'un écart de 140% du

2816
01:46:25,060 --> 01:46:27,060
tarif résidentiel.

2817
01:46:27,060 --> 01:46:28,060
>> Who gives this notice of

2818
01:46:28,060 --> 01:46:33,060
motion? Oh, he went to the

2819
01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:36,060
bathroom.

2820
01:46:36,060 --> 01:46:39,060
>> Brent Cowan, district A.

2821
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:41,060
>> 5.3, adoption of a bylaw

2822
01:46:41,060 --> 01:46:42,060
creating a financial reserve

2823
01:46:42,060 --> 01:46:43,060
related to certain activities of

2824
01:46:43,060 --> 01:46:45,060
the Pointe-Claire volunteer

2825
01:46:45,060 --> 01:46:47,060
rescue unit, a bylaw was adopted

2826
01:46:47,060 --> 01:46:48,060
in 2016 establishing a maximum

2827
01:46:48,060 --> 01:46:51,060
Reserve of $100,000. As well as

2828
01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:53,060
expiry date of December 31st

2829
01:46:53,060 --> 01:46:55,060
2025. Currently, this amount has

2830
01:46:55,060 --> 01:46:56,060
almost been reached. To enable

2831
01:46:56,060 --> 01:46:58,060
the Pointe-Claire volunteer

2832
01:46:58,060 --> 01:46:59,060
rescue unit to continue

2833
01:46:59,060 --> 01:47:00,020
accepting donations in exchange

2834
01:47:00,020 --> 01:47:01,020
for their services, and to

2835
01:47:01,020 --> 01:47:04,020
ensure some management of their

2836
01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:05,020
operating budget, it is

2837
01:47:05,020 --> 01:47:06,020
recommended that the maximum

2838
01:47:06,020 --> 01:47:09,020
amount be increased to $200,000,

2839
01:47:09,020 --> 01:47:10,020
and the expiry date be extended

2840
01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:14,020
to the September 31st, 2023.

2841
01:47:14,020 --> 01:47:19,020
>> Do I have a mover?

2842
01:47:19,020 --> 01:47:21,020
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

2843
01:47:21,020 --> 01:47:22,020
>> A seconder?

2844
01:47:22,020 --> 01:47:24,020
>> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,

2845
01:47:24,020 --> 01:47:25,020
district six.

2846
01:47:25,020 --> 01:47:29,020
>> All in favour?

2847
01:47:29,020 --> 01:47:30,020
>> 6.1 Déposer une déclaration

2848
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:31,020
d'intérêts pécuniaires pour un

2849
01:47:31,020 --> 01:47:34,020
membre du conseil suivant son

2850
01:47:34,020 --> 01:47:36,020
élection du 23 avril 2020, trois

2851
01:47:36,020 --> 01:47:39,020
le conseiller doit produire une

2852
01:47:39,020 --> 01:47:40,020
déclaration d'intérêts

2853
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:42,020
pécuniaires et, par la suite, à

2854
01:47:42,020 --> 01:47:43,020
chaque anniversaire de son

2855
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:44,020
élection, pour la durée de son

2856
01:47:44,020 --> 01:47:48,020
mandat.

2857
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:49,020
>> Six, to approve the

2858
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:50,020
evaluation criteria to be used

2859
01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:53,020
within the -- upon imitation for

2860
01:47:53,020 --> 01:47:57,020
an eco recognition and --

2861
01:47:57,020 --> 01:47:58,020
ecological challenges

2862
01:47:58,020 --> 01:47:59,020
considering the challenges of

2863
01:47:59,020 --> 01:48:00,080
buildings, life cycle analysis,

2864
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,080
and the ecological footprint of

2865
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:04,080
materials will be analyzed in

2866
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:05,080
order to give the city with the

2867
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:06,080
best current knowledge.

2868
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:09,080
>> Do I have a mover?

2869
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:10,080
>> Cynthia, district five.

2870
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:14,080
>> Seconder?

2871
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,080
>> Claude Cousineau, district

2872
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:18,080
one.

2873
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:23,080
>> All in favour?

2874
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:28,080
10.1 Déposer la liste des

2875
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:29,080
amendements budgétaires et le

2876
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:30,080
registre des chèques pour la

2877
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:31,080
période du 24 août 2023 au 20

2878
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:35,080
septembre 2023.

2879
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:38,080
>> 11 point, one to mandate the

2880
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,080
-- assume the defence of mayor

2881
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:42,080
Tim Thomas in superior court

2882
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:45,080
file dash -- 761 dash 231, under

2883
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:46,080
the city and towns act,

2884
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:48,080
municipalities are required to

2885
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,080
defend a council member who is

2886
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:50,080
being sued, provided certain

2887
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:51,080
conditions are met in the case

2888
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:52,080
at hand the City must assume the

2889
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,080
defence of the mayor, who is the

2890
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,080
defendant in the proceeding

2891
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,080
before the court based on an

2892
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,080
alleged action or mission in the

2893
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:00,040
performance of his duties as a

2894
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:05,040
council member. 11.2 Mandater le

2895
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:08,040
cabinet Bélanger Sauvé, avocats

2896
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:09,040
pour intervenir au nom de la

2897
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:10,040
Ville de Pointe-Claire dans le

2898
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:12,040
dossier 500-17-126761-231. En

2899
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,040
vertu de la Loi sur les cités et

2900
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:15,040
villes, la ville est tenu de

2901
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,040
faire des dépenses pour assurer

2902
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:18,040
sa défense devant un tribunal

2903
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,040
Loi sur demande remporter la

2904
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,040
course totalité de sa dépendance

2905
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,040
ou une partie de celle-ci. Dans

2906
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:25,040
certains temps qui

2907
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:26,040
(---)

2908
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:27,040
ouverture. Si elle n'est pas

2909
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:28,040
déjà parti à cette procédure, la

2910
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:32,040
ville peut-il intervenir auprès

2911
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:34,040
de faire ou de soutenir cette

2912
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:35,040
demande.

2913
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:36,040
>> Do I have a mover?

2914
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:37,040
>> Paul Bissonnette, district

2915
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,040
two.

2916
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:39,040
>> Seconder?

2917
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:40,040
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

2918
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:41,040
>> Mister Mayor, I would like to

2919
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,040
speak to this issue before we

2920
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:44,040
vote.

2921
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:45,040
>> Okay.

2922
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:46,040
>> I'm speaking relative to

2923
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:51,040
point number 11.2. The mandate

2924
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:56,040
with -- this is in my opinion

2925
01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:00,000
and wisdom, reading much of what

2926
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,000
has been written on this issue,

2927
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:05,000
it's a highly technical area. In

2928
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:07,000
fact, the jurisprudence on this

2929
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,000
is rather complicated. In

2930
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,000
essence, who had the particular

2931
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,000
mandate speaks to is what I'm

2932
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:18,000
referring to. There really is no

2933
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,000
time limit in terms of when we

2934
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,000
need to drop this pop particular

2935
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:23,000
resolution. We can do it today,

2936
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:24,000
we can do in a few, weeks we can

2937
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,000
do it in a few months. We can do

2938
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:29,000
it after the particular court

2939
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:34,000
date. My preference would be to

2940
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:38,000
move this to a later date. Some

2941
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,000
on Council might argue that that

2942
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:41,000
is something that might have

2943
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:42,000
mentioned earlier in our

2944
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:43,000
discussions, but seeing as we

2945
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:46,000
are caught up in so many

2946
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,000
different themes, particularly

2947
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:49,000
the budget and financial

2948
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,000
information that's coming along,

2949
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:53,000
it does take a little while to

2950
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:57,000
digest all this information. Why

2951
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,000
is options that Council has no

2952
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:00,060
appetite to move something like

2953
01:51:00,060 --> 01:51:01,060
this for the route into the new

2954
01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:06,060
year or later in 2024. And

2955
01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:09,060
unless there is, I would move

2956
01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:11,060
that we do that. And I would

2957
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:13,060
have to be given indication at

2958
01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:17,060
this meeting. The reason I'm

2959
01:51:17,060 --> 01:51:18,060
thinking along these lines is

2960
01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:21,060
specifically to be able to give

2961
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:23,060
the mayor an opportunity to

2962
01:51:23,060 --> 01:51:25,060
speak and consult with his

2963
01:51:25,060 --> 01:51:28,060
lawyer on obtaining a briefing

2964
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:30,060
and understanding of what all

2965
01:51:30,060 --> 01:51:32,060
the legalities behind this mean

2966
01:51:32,060 --> 01:51:34,060
and what he may or may not be

2967
01:51:34,060 --> 01:51:36,060
subjected to. I greatly

2968
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:37,060
appreciate the brief I've

2969
01:51:37,060 --> 01:51:38,060
received from Mr. Thibault on

2970
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:41,060
this issue as well. But in this

2971
01:51:41,060 --> 01:51:46,060
case, I think I, to, have a

2972
01:51:46,060 --> 01:51:49,060
concern about the finances that

2973
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:51,060
would result from any payment in

2974
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:54,060
a legal situation. I appreciate

2975
01:51:54,060 --> 01:51:56,060
the concern and the need to act

2976
01:51:56,060 --> 01:51:58,060
on this internally. But I think

2977
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:01,020
it would be justifiable to give

2978
01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:03,020
the mayor a longer opportunity

2979
01:52:03,020 --> 01:52:05,020
to be able to obtain the

2980
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:07,020
briefing that I think would be

2981
01:52:07,020 --> 01:52:09,020
justified and just in that

2982
01:52:09,020 --> 01:52:11,020
manner. I also do have some

2983
01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:13,020
lingering concerns, although I

2984
01:52:13,020 --> 01:52:15,020
do have some lingering concerns

2985
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:16,020
about this whole process

2986
01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:19,020
actually costing the city more

2987
01:52:19,020 --> 01:52:21,020
money we. And so, for that

2988
01:52:21,020 --> 01:52:24,020
reason, my current view on this

2989
01:52:24,020 --> 01:52:27,020
would be to vote no or to, in

2990
01:52:27,020 --> 01:52:29,020
looking at councillors around

2991
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:31,020
the table, to move that we

2992
01:52:31,020 --> 01:52:33,020
perhaps look at it at a later

2993
01:52:33,020 --> 01:52:34,020
date for this particular

2994
01:52:34,020 --> 01:52:37,020
resolution. I leave it there.

2995
01:52:37,020 --> 01:52:38,020
>> Do I have a seconder?

2996
01:52:38,020 --> 01:52:40,020
>> I have a comment, Mister

2997
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:41,020
Mayor?

2998
01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:42,020
>> I'm asking if there is a

2999
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:43,020
seconder.

3000
01:52:43,020 --> 01:52:44,020
>> I'm allowed to comment,

3001
01:52:44,020 --> 01:52:45,020
Mister Mayor.

3002
01:52:45,020 --> 01:52:48,020
>> He's moved the amendment.

3003
01:52:48,020 --> 01:52:49,020
>> Councillor Tremblay is moving

3004
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:50,020
and I'm asking for a seconder.

3005
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:55,020
Is there a seconder?

3006
01:52:59,020 --> 01:53:00,080
>> I'm allowed to comment. Am I

3007
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:04,080
allowed to comment? Thank you.

3008
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:06,080
Thank you, Mister Mayor, for

3009
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:07,080
respecting my right to comment.

3010
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:09,080
>> I am the chair, Councillor

3011
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,080
Stork. Just so you know.

3012
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:12,080
>> I noticed, I noticed.

3013
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:13,080
>> Thank you.

3014
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:14,080
>> I would like to point

3015
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:17,080
something out in reference to

3016
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:18,080
what was just said about the

3017
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,080
time limit as to why we should

3018
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:21,080
have a motion to delay this.

3019
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,080
There are two important reasons.

3020
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:25,080
One is that there is a cost

3021
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:28,080
savings as well. Because you

3022
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:29,080
don't have the set to separate

3023
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:31,080
trials. That is straight off the

3024
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:33,080
bat. The second reason is very

3025
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:35,080
simple, that if it is so

3026
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:37,080
determined in the determination

3027
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:40,080
by the lawsuit we that there is

3028
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:45,080
no definition of whether any any

3029
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:47,080
intentional actions without the

3030
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:48,080
duties of the Mayor, we are

3031
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,080
asking the judge to determine

3032
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:52,080
immediately so it doesn't have

3033
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:53,080
to be determined after the fact

3034
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:57,080
on a separate trial. So it is we

3035
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,080
for simplicity and -- cost

3036
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:02,040
savings. I would like to mention

3037
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:04,040
Mr. Tremblay that I would've

3038
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:05,040
been very thoughtful to be

3039
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,040
discussed, it would be mentioned

3040
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:08,040
prior, not brought up at this

3041
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:10,040
time. It is pretty opportune

3042
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:11,040
time to bring this up. Thank

3043
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,040
you.

3044
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:14,040
>> I would like to address the

3045
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:16,040
motion from the floor as well.

3046
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:18,040
>> Go ahead, Councillor Cowan. I

3047
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:21,040
don't see how time has any

3048
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,040
bearing on this at all. This is

3049
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:24,040
a court case. Nothing is going

3050
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:26,040
to be discussed outside of the

3051
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:28,040
trial, whenever the trial

3052
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:29,040
occurs. I could be years from

3053
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:33,040
now. Whether we do it now or

3054
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,040
later, it is rather irrelevant.

3055
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:36,040
There is no additional

3056
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,040
information that we are going to

3057
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:40,040
be able to assess. Because all

3058
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:43,040
that information will be vetted

3059
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:45,040
to the trial, which there is no

3060
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:47,040
date. It could be two years from

3061
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:49,040
now. Some of these trials take

3062
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:53,040
ten years to get the court.

3063
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:56,040
>> So prior to moving in

3064
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:58,040
seconding, on 0.1 and point to,

3065
01:54:58,040 --> 01:54:59,040
I just want to point out that I

3066
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:03,000
am yet without representation. I

3067
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,000
can't speak to, this although I

3068
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:07,000
would like to. I cannot because

3069
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,000
I'm without representation. 4.11

3070
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:10,000
point to 11 point, to do I have

3071
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:14,000
a mover?

3072
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,000
>> We are now.

3073
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:17,000
>> Oh, we haven't voted. All in

3074
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:19,000
favour? We have a mover and a

3075
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:23,000
seconder? All in favour? All

3076
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:25,000
against?

3077
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,000
>> I'm in favour of 11.1 and not

3078
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:29,000
in favour of 11.2.

3079
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:32,000
>> Okay. Duly noted.

3080
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:33,000
-

3081
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:36,000
>> 12.1. 12 when, went to file a

3082
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:37,000
list of dedicated to have staff

3083
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:38,000
changes for the month of October

3084
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,000
23.

3085
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:43,000
- 12.2, Approuver la liste des

3086
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:44,000
changements au personnel par

3087
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,000
décisions non déléguées au 3

3088
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:49,000
octobre 2023.

3089
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:50,000
>> 12.3, approve the amendment

3090
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,000
of the respect for persons

3091
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:53,000
policy. We must update our

3092
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,000
respect for people or persons

3093
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:56,000
policy implemented in August

3094
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,000
2013. To comply with the, law

3095
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,060
the orientation conveyed by the

3096
01:56:00,060 --> 01:56:02,060
respect for persons policy is

3097
01:56:02,060 --> 01:56:03,060
based on a zero tolerance

3098
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:04,060
approach and accountability for

3099
01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:06,060
all members of the miscible

3100
01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:07,060
Canada community in the

3101
01:56:07,060 --> 01:56:08,060
workplace. More specifically the

3102
01:56:08,060 --> 01:56:10,060
policy specifies the behaviours

3103
01:56:10,060 --> 01:56:12,060
expected within the organization

3104
01:56:12,060 --> 01:56:13,060
in terms of respect, a, rules

3105
01:56:13,060 --> 01:56:14,060
and responsibilities of the

3106
01:56:14,060 --> 01:56:16,060
municipal community, as well as

3107
01:56:16,060 --> 01:56:17,060
the mechanisms set forth to meet

3108
01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:22,060
the are -- linked to set policy.

3109
01:56:23,060 --> 01:56:24,060
>> Pour ces points... do I have

3110
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:25,060
a mover?

3111
01:56:25,060 --> 01:56:26,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3112
01:56:26,060 --> 01:56:27,060
>> Seconder?

3113
01:56:27,060 --> 01:56:29,060
>> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,

3114
01:56:29,060 --> 01:56:30,060
district six.

3115
01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:33,060
>> All in favour?

3116
01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:34,060
- 14.1, Se prévaloir de l'option

3117
01:56:34,060 --> 01:56:35,060
de renouvellement prévue au

3118
01:56:35,060 --> 01:56:36,060
contrat intervenu avec Tech-Mix,

3119
01:56:36,060 --> 01:56:37,060
une division de Bauval Inc.,

3120
01:56:37,060 --> 01:56:41,060
pour l'année 2024, au montant de

3121
01:56:41,060 --> 01:56:42,060
67030,43 $, taxes incluses, pour

3122
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:43,060
la fourniture et la livraison

3123
01:56:43,060 --> 01:56:45,060
sur demande de l'asphalte tiède

3124
01:56:45,060 --> 01:56:46,060
à viscosité élevée incluant le

3125
01:56:46,060 --> 01:56:47,060
polymère pour utilisation

3126
01:56:47,060 --> 01:56:51,060
hivernale. L'asphalte obtient

3127
01:56:51,060 --> 01:56:52,060
des requis pour l'utilisation

3128
01:56:52,060 --> 01:56:54,060
hivernale lors de travaux de

3129
01:56:54,060 --> 01:56:56,060
réparation des bris d'aqueduc,

3130
01:56:56,060 --> 01:56:57,060
nids-de-poule et entretien de la

3131
01:56:57,060 --> 01:56:58,060
surface

3132
01:56:58,060 --> 01:56:59,060
(inaudible)

3133
01:56:59,060 --> 01:57:00,020
.

3134
01:57:00,020 --> 01:57:01,020
>> 14 point, two to award a

3135
01:57:01,020 --> 01:57:02,020
contract for mattress and box

3136
01:57:02,020 --> 01:57:03,020
spring disposal and reversing

3137
01:57:03,020 --> 01:57:06,020
services for the use 2024, 2025,

3138
01:57:06,020 --> 01:57:09,020
and 2026. To recycle mattress

3139
01:57:09,020 --> 01:57:14,020
and, for the total of $4,075.50,

3140
01:57:14,020 --> 01:57:16,020
taxes included, with the years

3141
01:57:16,020 --> 01:57:18,020
2027 and 2020 in option. In

3142
01:57:18,020 --> 01:57:19,020
accordance with the sustainable

3143
01:57:19,020 --> 01:57:20,020
development policy adopted by

3144
01:57:20,020 --> 01:57:22,020
the City in 2017, the public

3145
01:57:22,020 --> 01:57:23,020
works department is making

3146
01:57:23,020 --> 01:57:25,020
necessary efforts to divert as

3147
01:57:25,020 --> 01:57:27,020
much material as possible for

3148
01:57:27,020 --> 01:57:28,020
landfills to this and the city

3149
01:57:28,020 --> 01:57:29,020
offers the collection of large

3150
01:57:29,020 --> 01:57:32,020
upholstered items to its

3151
01:57:32,020 --> 01:57:33,020
citizens relies on the services

3152
01:57:33,020 --> 01:57:34,020
of an external company to

3153
01:57:34,020 --> 01:57:36,020
repurpose items, such as

3154
01:57:36,020 --> 01:57:37,020
mattresses, box brings, and

3155
01:57:37,020 --> 01:57:39,020
futons, collected at ecocentres

3156
01:57:39,020 --> 01:57:40,020
and during the door-to-door

3157
01:57:40,020 --> 01:57:41,020
special collections.

3158
01:57:41,020 --> 01:57:42,020
- 14.3, Octroyer un contrat pour

3159
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:43,020
le déneigement des poteaux

3160
01:57:43,020 --> 01:57:44,020
d'incendie de la ville de

3161
01:57:44,020 --> 01:57:46,020
Pointe-Claire pour la saison

3162
01:57:46,020 --> 01:57:49,020
hivernale 2023-2024, à 9042-0845

3163
01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:50,020
Québec Inc., pour un montant

3164
01:57:50,020 --> 01:57:53,020
total de 50129,10 $, taxes

3165
01:57:53,020 --> 01:57:55,020
incluses, avec la saison

3166
01:57:55,020 --> 01:57:59,020
2024-2025 en option. Ce contrat

3167
01:57:59,020 --> 01:58:00,080
est requis pour le déneigement

3168
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,080
de l'ensemble des bureaux...

3169
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:03,080
poteaux d'incendies, plutôt,

3170
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:05,080
afin de les rendre à...

3171
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:06,080
accessible en tout temps hiver

3172
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:09,080
pour la sécurité des citoyens.

3173
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:10,080
>> 14.4, to award a contract for

3174
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:12,080
ruling and maintenance of winter

3175
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,080
trails and cross-country scales

3176
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:16,080
-- ski trails in the county of

3177
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:18,080
Pointe-Claire for the 2023, 2024

3178
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:21,080
season. To consumption snow tech

3179
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:23,080
Inc. for the amount of -- and 48

3180
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:27,080
cents, taxes included. With a

3181
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:29,080
2024 2025 and 20 2025 2026

3182
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:30,080
seasons and option. This

3183
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:32,080
contract is required to provide

3184
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:33,080
rooming and maintenance services

3185
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:34,080
for snow,, hiking and cross

3186
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:35,080
country ski trails on the

3187
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:36,080
Beaconsfield golf course, as

3188
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:37,080
well as hiking trails in ten

3189
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:39,080
parks, including terracotta park

3190
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:40,080
and the pedestrian walkway.

3191
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:41,080
- 14.5, Octroyer un contrat pour

3192
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:42,080
la fourniture et la livraison de

3193
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:44,080
chlorure de sodium

3194
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,080
(sel traité de déglaçage des

3195
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:47,080
chaussées)

3196
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:48,080
pour l'année 2024, à Cargill

3197
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:49,080
Sel, Sécurité Routière, une

3198
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:50,080
division de Cargill Ltée, pour

3199
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:53,080
un montant total de

3200
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:57,080
1082328,66 $, taxes incluses.

3201
01:58:58,080 --> 01:58:59,080
Cet appel d'offres a été fait

3202
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:00,040
dans le cadre de l'entente cadre

3203
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:02,040
avec la Ville de Montréal, en se

3204
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:04,040
regroupant avec les

3205
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:05,040
arrondissements et les villes

3206
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,040
reconstituer le bénéfice des

3207
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,040
achats regroupées pour

3208
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:09,040
l'acquisition de ce type de

3209
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:10,040
produits sont intéressants. Nous

3210
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:11,040
profitons d'un meilleur prix à

3211
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:14,040
cause du volume d'achat et nous

3212
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:16,040
serons les coûts quand Jean-Noël

3213
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:17,040
le lancement des appels d'offres

3214
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:20,040
pour ces produits.

3215
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:22,040
- Pour les cinq derniers

3216
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:23,040
>> Do I have postes... a mover?

3217
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:24,040
Point, plutôt.

3218
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:27,040
- Bruno Tremblay, je propose

3219
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:28,040
l'adoption de ces points,

3220
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:30,040
district six.

3221
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:31,040
>> And a seconder?

3222
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:35,040
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3223
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,040
>> All in favour?

3224
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,040
>> 14.6, approve a change order

3225
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:44,040
of the contract changed into

3226
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:48,040
with -- four amount of 58,000 in

3227
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:50,040
a three cents, tax included. The

3228
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:51,040
changes to accelerate the

3229
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:52,040
printing and filling schedule

3230
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:54,040
and to provide about four 2023,

3231
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:56,040
to enable the City to

3232
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:57,040
proactively mitigate risks and

3233
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:59,040
better prepare trees to

3234
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:01,000
withstand extreme situations.

3235
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:06,000
14.7 Régulariser les dépenses

3236
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,000
envers Les Rénovations Jocelyn

3237
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:08,000
Décoste Inc., pour des travaux

3238
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:09,000
de contrôle d'espèces végétales

3239
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:10,000
exotiques envahissantes et

3240
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:11,000
d'entretien en milieux naturels

3241
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:12,000
dans le parc Terra-Cotta et

3242
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:13,000
autres sites de la Ville, pour

3243
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:14,000
l'année 2023, pour un montant de

3244
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:19,000
10239,17 $, taxes incluses. La

3245
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:22,000
présente demande de

3246
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:23,000
modifications vise à ajuster le

3247
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:26,000
montant alloué...

3248
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,000
donc la présente demande de

3249
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,000
modification vise ajuster le

3250
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:43,000
montant alloué pour l'année 2023

3251
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:46,000
de dispositions contractuelles

3252
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:49,000
basé sur l'IPC.

3253
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,000
>> 14.8, to appeal resolution

3254
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:53,000
2021 dash 1:41 in a point the

3255
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:55,000
City authorized representative

3256
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:58,000
to sign and submit documents and

3257
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:02,060
to apply all fees related to the

3258
02:01:02,060 --> 02:01:04,060
transaction, file account, with

3259
02:01:04,060 --> 02:01:06,060
specific sort of illusion on

3260
02:01:06,060 --> 02:01:07,060
behalf of the city of

3261
02:01:07,060 --> 02:01:08,060
Pointe-Claire, and it is still

3262
02:01:08,060 --> 02:01:10,060
on the authorization to

3263
02:01:10,060 --> 02:01:11,060
Alexander Leonard, Mr. Walker

3264
02:01:11,060 --> 02:01:13,060
Ouellet, and Christian basement

3265
02:01:13,060 --> 02:01:15,060
assign documents, summit request

3266
02:01:15,060 --> 02:01:16,060
for a document copies, and to

3267
02:01:16,060 --> 02:01:18,060
apply all fees regional

3268
02:01:18,060 --> 02:01:19,060
transactions to the city's

3269
02:01:19,060 --> 02:01:22,060
account at the city -- de

3270
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:23,060
Québec.

3271
02:01:23,060 --> 02:01:27,060
>> For 14.7 and 14.8, do I have

3272
02:01:27,060 --> 02:01:28,060
a mover?

3273
02:01:28,060 --> 02:01:30,060
>> City -- district five.

3274
02:01:30,060 --> 02:01:31,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3275
02:01:31,060 --> 02:01:34,060
>> All in favour?

3276
02:01:37,060 --> 02:01:38,060
15.1 Approuver une modification

3277
02:01:38,060 --> 02:01:39,060
au contrat intervenu avec

3278
02:01:39,060 --> 02:01:40,060
Construction CPB Inc., pour les

3279
02:01:40,060 --> 02:01:41,060
travaux d'agrandissement et

3280
02:01:41,060 --> 02:01:42,060
réaménagement des Travaux

3281
02:01:42,060 --> 02:01:43,060
Publics, pour un montant de

3282
02:01:43,060 --> 02:01:46,060
15158,84 $, taxes incluses.

3283
02:01:46,060 --> 02:01:47,060
C'est pour la relocalisation

3284
02:01:47,060 --> 02:01:49,060
d'une unité de climatisation

3285
02:01:49,060 --> 02:01:50,060
desservant le magasin existant

3286
02:01:50,060 --> 02:01:51,060
et les fournitures et

3287
02:01:51,060 --> 02:01:52,060
installations des carrelage de

3288
02:01:52,060 --> 02:01:54,060
céramique requis au plancher de

3289
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:55,060
la plate-forme élévatrice pour

3290
02:01:55,060 --> 02:01:56,060
les personnes en fauteuil

3291
02:01:56,060 --> 02:02:00,020
roulant.

3292
02:02:00,020 --> 02:02:03,020
>> And 15.2, to approve a change

3293
02:02:03,020 --> 02:02:04,020
order with the contract entered

3294
02:02:04,020 --> 02:02:06,020
into -- with for the replacement

3295
02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:09,020
of the unit at central goal for

3296
02:02:09,020 --> 02:02:12,020
the mount of $2,417.17, taxes

3297
02:02:12,020 --> 02:02:14,020
included, the lot of cases where

3298
02:02:14,020 --> 02:02:16,020
to ply power to new equipment

3299
02:02:16,020 --> 02:02:18,020
and consisting of electrical

3300
02:02:18,020 --> 02:02:21,020
work.

3301
02:02:21,020 --> 02:02:26,020
>> 15.1 15.2, do I have a mover?

3302
02:02:27,020 --> 02:02:29,020
Brent Cowan, district 8.

3303
02:02:29,020 --> 02:02:31,020
>> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,

3304
02:02:31,020 --> 02:02:34,020
district 6.

3305
02:02:34,020 --> 02:02:35,020
- Monsieur Cousineau, vous votez

3306
02:02:35,020 --> 02:02:37,020
pour ou contre?

3307
02:02:37,020 --> 02:02:38,020
- Je vote contre le 15.1.

3308
02:02:38,020 --> 02:02:42,020
- Merci. 16.1 Approuver une

3309
02:02:42,020 --> 02:02:43,020
modification au contrat

3310
02:02:43,020 --> 02:02:44,020
intervenu avec Foraction Inc.,

3311
02:02:44,020 --> 02:02:45,020
pour la réhabilitation

3312
02:02:45,020 --> 02:02:46,020
structurale de la conduite d'eau

3313
02:02:46,020 --> 02:02:47,020
potable du chemin de service

3314
02:02:47,020 --> 02:02:50,020
Nord entre les avenues Bancroft

3315
02:02:50,020 --> 02:02:51,020
et Tecumseh, pour un montant de

3316
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:56,020
10699,40 $, taxes incluses. De

3317
02:02:57,020 --> 02:02:58,020
modification contrats doivent

3318
02:02:58,020 --> 02:03:01,080
être approuvés. Des travaux de

3319
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:02,080
réparation des bris d'aqueduc

3320
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:06,080
survenue sur les services privés

3321
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:07,080
autre 3535 Transcanadienne lors

3322
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:08,080
de la réparation. Un deuxième

3323
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:09,080
bris est survenue sur un autre

3324
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:11,080
côté qui a dû être réparé. Et

3325
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:12,080
deuxièmement, réparation d'une

3326
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:15,080
fuite à une borne fontaine.

3327
02:03:15,080 --> 02:03:16,080
>> 16 by two, approve a change

3328
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:19,080
order to the contract entered

3329
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:20,080
into with P and G project

3330
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:21,080
management Inc., for the

3331
02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:23,080
creation of a park in the walls

3332
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:25,080
and sector for amount of

3333
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,080
$13,815.40, taxes included. With

3334
02:03:27,080 --> 02:03:29,080
a modification including the

3335
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:30,080
installation of a taller fence

3336
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:31,080
than the one specified in the

3337
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:33,080
contract, as well as the removal

3338
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:36,080
of interlocking paving stones

3339
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:38,080
and the repair of the pathway.

3340
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:39,080
16.3 Approuver une entente à

3341
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:40,080
intervenir avec la Société de

3342
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:41,080
transport de Montréal

3343
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:42,080
(STM)

3344
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:43,080
concernant les mesures

3345
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:44,080
préférentielles pour bus et les

3346
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,080
travaux sur les feux de

3347
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:48,080
circulation Axe Saint-Jean et

3348
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:52,080
Des Sources. La STM influencera,

3349
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:56,080
pardon. La STM effectuera divers

3350
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:58,080
travaux et remplacement

3351
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:00,040
d'équipements afin de permettre

3352
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:01,040
une synchronisation complète de

3353
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:03,040
l'axe. Cela permettra également

3354
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:05,040
de s'assurer de la compatibilité

3355
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:06,040
et du fonctionnement des

3356
02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:08,040
équipements avec le système de

3357
02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:12,040
détection de la STM.

3358
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:14,040
>> 16.4, two others request to

3359
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:17,040
amend the agreement concerning a

3360
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:18,040
contribution within the -- the

3361
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:20,040
transfer active for the project

3362
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,040
concerning the construction of a

3363
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:23,040
pedestrian and cyclist bridge

3364
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:25,040
over Highway 20 on Saint John

3365
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:27,040
Boulevard in Pointe-Claire. The

3366
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:29,040
budget modification aims to --

3367
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:30,040
pedestrian and cyclist over

3368
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:31,040
passed in line with the Austin

3369
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:33,040
Avenue extension. By doing so

3370
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,040
will provide faster and safer

3371
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:37,040
access to the new Fairview

3372
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:40,040
Pointe-Claire REM station. For

3373
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:41,040
more users south of Highway 20.

3374
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:45,040
Sorry, southern highway 40.

3375
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:50,040
>> For 16.1 to 16.4, do I have a

3376
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:53,040
mover?

3377
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:55,040
-

3378
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:56,040
>> Claude Cousineau, district

3379
02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:58,040
un. District 2

3380
02:04:58,040 --> 02:04:59,040
>> -- district 1.

3381
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:01,000
>> All in favour?

3382
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,000
- 17.1 Considérer une demande de

3383
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:08,000
dérogation mineure concernant la

3384
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:09,000
propriété sise au 146, avenue

3385
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:12,000
d'Arrowhead Crescent pour

3386
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:13,000
permettre perron avant de

3387
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:14,000
(---)

3388
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,000
plutôt que le maximum de 5

3389
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,000
mètres carrés. Pardon, les

3390
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:18,000
personnes présentes peuvent

3391
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,000
s'adresser au Conseil concernant

3392
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:22,000
les systèmes 17.1 à 17.3.

3393
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,000
17.2, consider minor exemption

3394
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,000
request concerning probably

3395
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:36,000
located at 30 Hillcrest Avenue.

3396
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:39,000
It is to pin meant an ancillary

3397
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,000
building located 2.5 metres on

3398
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:44,000
the property line rather than

3399
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:45,000
the minimum required of one

3400
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:47,000
metre.

3401
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:52,000
>> For 17.1, 17.2, do I have a

3402
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:54,000
mover?

3403
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:55,000
-

3404
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:56,000
>> Claude Cousineau, district

3405
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:59,000
un. Claude Cousineau, district

3406
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:01,060
1.

3407
02:06:01,060 --> 02:06:02,060
>> Brent Cowan, district 8

3408
02:06:02,060 --> 02:06:03,060
- 17.3.

3409
02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:04,060
>> Considérer une demande de

3410
02:06:04,060 --> 02:06:05,060
dérogation mineure concernant la

3411
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:06,060
district all in favour?

3412
02:06:06,060 --> 02:06:08,060
Propriété sise au 149, avenue

3413
02:06:08,060 --> 02:06:09,060
Vanguard, pour permettre une

3414
02:06:09,060 --> 02:06:10,060
clôture dans la marge avant avec

3415
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:12,060
une hauteur de 1,82 mètre plutôt

3416
02:06:12,060 --> 02:06:13,060
que le maximum permis de

3417
02:06:13,060 --> 02:06:18,060
remettre. De 1 mètre.

3418
02:06:19,060 --> 02:06:21,060
>> 17 point, four to -- with

3419
02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:22,060
respect to the property located

3420
02:06:22,060 --> 02:06:26,060
14 bowling green avenue and

3421
02:06:26,060 --> 02:06:30,060
repeal resolutions 2022 dash to

3422
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:32,060
a three and 22 6:26, changes to

3423
02:06:32,060 --> 02:06:33,060
previously approved plans in

3424
02:06:33,060 --> 02:06:35,060
order to reduce the size of the

3425
02:06:35,060 --> 02:06:38,060
brand veranda, maintain repair

3426
02:06:38,060 --> 02:06:40,060
acrylic stucco, apply acrylic

3427
02:06:40,060 --> 02:06:43,060
stucco, build a window instead

3428
02:06:43,060 --> 02:06:45,060
French doors on the elevation.

3429
02:06:46,060 --> 02:06:47,060
- 17.5 Considérer les plans

3430
02:06:47,060 --> 02:06:48,060
d'implantation et d'intégration

3431
02:06:48,060 --> 02:06:49,060
architecturale relatifs à la

3432
02:06:49,060 --> 02:06:50,060
propriété sise au 130, avenue de

3433
02:06:50,060 --> 02:06:51,060
Breslay et abroger les

3434
02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:52,060
résolutions 2023-164 et

3435
02:06:52,060 --> 02:06:55,060
2023-167. Il faut des

3436
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:56,060
modifications du revêtement

3437
02:06:56,060 --> 02:06:59,060
extérieur.

3438
02:07:10,020 --> 02:07:11,020
- 17.7 Considérer les plans

3439
02:07:11,020 --> 02:07:12,020
d'implantation et d'intégration

3440
02:07:12,020 --> 02:07:13,020
architecturale relatifs à la

3441
02:07:13,020 --> 02:07:14,020
propriété sise au 18, avenue

3442
02:07:14,020 --> 02:07:16,020
Hillcrest. Pour des rénovations

3443
02:07:16,020 --> 02:07:20,020
du garage détaché.

3444
02:07:20,020 --> 02:07:22,020
>> And 17. Eighth, a second of

3445
02:07:22,020 --> 02:07:24,020
resolution for specific

3446
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:25,020
construction alteration

3447
02:07:25,020 --> 02:07:27,020
occupation proposal for any

3448
02:07:27,020 --> 02:07:31,020
movable also known as a -- and

3449
02:07:31,020 --> 02:07:33,020
195 Brunswick boulevard,

3450
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:34,020
authorizing the occupational

3451
02:07:34,020 --> 02:07:36,020
building for a mini warehouse.

3452
02:07:36,020 --> 02:07:37,020
It's a recess of an extension,

3453
02:07:37,020 --> 02:07:38,020
of an existing industrial

3454
02:07:38,020 --> 02:07:40,020
building for many private

3455
02:07:40,020 --> 02:07:41,020
storage purposes. The building

3456
02:07:41,020 --> 02:07:44,020
was renovated in 2019 but was

3457
02:07:44,020 --> 02:07:46,020
never knew used in its intended

3458
02:07:46,020 --> 02:07:48,020
purpose as a pharmaceutical

3459
02:07:48,020 --> 02:07:49,020
manufacturing plant. The

3460
02:07:49,020 --> 02:07:50,020
proposed use does not comply

3461
02:07:50,020 --> 02:07:54,020
with the zone bylaw. The minimum

3462
02:07:54,020 --> 02:07:55,020
parking spaces make it a real

3463
02:07:55,020 --> 02:07:56,020
chance to use the existing

3464
02:07:56,020 --> 02:07:59,020
building for industrial

3465
02:07:59,020 --> 02:08:00,080
purposes. Planning advisory

3466
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:01,080
committee expressed its view,

3467
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:02,080
which is that due to the fact

3468
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:03,080
that the existing building is

3469
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:04,080
greatly limited to the type of

3470
02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:06,080
use it can occupy, given the

3471
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:07,080
lack of parking, permitting

3472
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:09,080
public storage use, should be

3473
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:11,080
considered.

3474
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:15,080
>> So for 17.3 to 17.8, do I

3475
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:16,080
have a mover?

3476
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:18,080
>> I move that we grant the

3477
02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:21,080
exemption to 17.3 and approved

3478
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:23,080
the site Planning Act angel

3479
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:26,080
programs plans to 17.4 and adopt

3480
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:29,080
the second draft resolution for

3481
02:08:29,080 --> 02:08:34,080
the -- and 17. Eight, Brent

3482
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:36,080
Cowan, district 8.

3483
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:41,080
>> I second, 17.3 to 17.7. And

3484
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:44,080
against 17. Eight.

3485
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:46,080
>> You can't see it.

3486
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:53,080
>> We need another seconder. We

3487
02:08:53,080 --> 02:08:54,080
have a seconder. Another

3488
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:56,080
seconder, and then Councillor --

3489
02:08:56,080 --> 02:09:00,040
can vote against in the vote.

3490
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:05,040
>> 17.3 to 17.7.

3491
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:10,040
>> 17., Eight different one.

3492
02:09:10,040 --> 02:09:11,040
>>

3493
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:12,040
- District district 6,.

3494
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:14,040
>> All in favour?

3495
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:15,040
Est-ce que vous allez voter

3496
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:16,040
contre quelque chose Monsieur

3497
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:17,040
Cousineau?

3498
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:21,040
- Je vote contre le 17.8.

3499
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:24,040
>> Just to be clear, all in

3500
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:25,040
- Favour?

3501
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:26,040
Monsieur Tremblay?

3502
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:27,040
- Vous votez pour lesquels

3503
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:28,040
présentement, je veux juste être

3504
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:29,040
clair?

3505
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:30,040
- Je vote

3506
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:33,040
>> Pour 17.3 to 17.8. They vote

3507
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:36,040
for all of. And then I think

3508
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:37,040
Councillor Claude Cousineau and

3509
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:39,040
Councillor Paul Bissonnette vote

3510
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,040
for 17. Eight.

3511
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:48,040
- Monsieur monsieur Cousineau,

3512
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:49,040
monsieur Bissonnette, vous votez

3513
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:54,040
contre 17.8? 18.1 Autoriser la

3514
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:55,040
soumission d'une demande auprès

3515
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:56,040
du Ministère de l'Éducation dans

3516
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:57,040
le cadre du Programme d'aide

3517
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:58,040
financière aux infrastructures

3518
02:09:58,040 --> 02:09:59,040
récréatives, sportives et de

3519
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:00,000
plein air, pour le projet de

3520
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,000
rénovation de l'infrastructure

3521
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:02,000
du Centre aquatique de

3522
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:05,000
Pointe-Claire. Ce programme vise

3523
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:07,000
à financer la construction,

3524
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:08,000
l'aménagement et la mise aux

3525
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,000
normes ou la rénovation

3526
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:10,000
d'installations sportives

3527
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:15,000
récréatives.

3528
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:19,000
>>

3529
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:20,000
18.2, to authorize -- the

3530
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:21,000
Toronto art festival, 26 to

3531
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:22,000
October 29th in Toronto. It is a

3532
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:23,000
showcase of over hundred

3533
02:10:23,000 --> 02:10:25,000
galleries from across Canada and

3534
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:28,000
abroad, making contemporary the

3535
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,000
biggest contemporary art event

3536
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:31,000
in Canada.

3537
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:36,000
>> For 18. One to 18.2 --

3538
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:39,000
>> -- 04

3539
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:42,000
>> All in favour?

3540
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:47,000
>> Foreclosure, do I have a

3541
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:48,000
mover?

3542
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:52,000
>> Eric Stork

3543
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,000
-, District 7 merci tout le

3544
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:55,000
monde..

3545
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:56,000
>>

3546
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:57,000
[Sous-titrage en direct:

3547
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:58,000
VITAC Canada] Bruno Tremblay,

3548
02:10:58,000 --> 02:10:59,000
district 6.

3549
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:01,060
>> Can I eat, folks.