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Chères citoyennes et chers

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citoyens, bonsoir et bienvenue à

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cette séance extraordinaire du

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18 décembre. Veuillez noter que

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seules les questions qui

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concernent les points à l'ordre

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du jour seront acceptées. Juste

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avant de débuter cette séance

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j'aimerais vous rappeler

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quelques éléments. Nous avons

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une prochaine séance

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extraordinaire ce mercredi pour

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la taxation. Les bureaux

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administratifs seront fermés

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entre le 22 décembre et le 3

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janvier. Durant cette période

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nous offrons des activités

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sportives à l'aréna Bob Birnie

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et nous avons une exposition en

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cours au Stewart Hall. Et

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maintenant je vais vous donner

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les grandes lignes du budget

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2024. Le budget 2024 de la Ville

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de Pointe-Claire passe de 173,2

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million de dollars à 181,5

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million de dollars, ce qui

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représente une différence de 8,3

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million ou 4,8%. Le principal

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facteur attribuable à cette

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hausse est la quote-part de

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imputé à Pointe-Claire qui est à

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nouveau en croissance de 5

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million, notre quote-part totale

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s'élève maintenant à 85

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millions. En ce qui concerne les

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dépenses opérationnelles la

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l'augmentation des coûts des

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contrats, notamment en matière

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de déneigement, de gestion des

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matières résiduelles, de frais

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d'entretien des bâtiments et de

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la masse salariale. Alors que le

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pourcentage d'augmentation des

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taxes municipales était de 5,9%

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en 2023, il sera de 3,9% en

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2024, ce qui représente une

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différence de 158$ sur le compte

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de taxes pour une maison de

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valeur moyenne. Just before we

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start this special meeting, I'd

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like to make a few reminders. We

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have a special tax meeting this

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Wednesday. The administrative

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offices will be closed between

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December 22 and January 3rd.

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During this period, we will be

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offering sports activities at

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the Bob Birnie arena, and we

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have an exhibition on display at

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Stewart Hall. And now I will

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give you the budget highlights.

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The 2024 budget for the City of

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Pointe-Claire increases from

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$173.2 million to $181.5

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million, which represents a

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difference of $8.3 million or

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4.8%. Several factors contribute

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to this increase, the main one

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being the share of the Montreal

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agglomeration allocated to

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Pointe-Claire, which is once

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again up by $5 million. Our

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total share is now 85 million.

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expenses is primarily due to

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higher contract costs, notably

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for snow removal, waste

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management, building maintenance

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and payroll. While the

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percentage increase in municipal

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taxes was 5.9% in 2023, it will

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be 3.9% in 2024, which

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represents a difference

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of $158 on the tax bill for an

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average household. Every effort

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is made to ensure responsible

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and rigorous management of

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expenses under the control of

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the municipal administration. Je

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suis particulièrement fier du

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travail accompli dans l'exercice

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budgétaire 2024. Notre plan

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stratégique nous a servi de

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guide dans la gestion des

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dépenses qui sont sous notre

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contrôle, ce qui nous permet

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d'affirmer que nous avons un

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budget équilibré et responsable,

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à l'aide duquel nous pourrons

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atteindre les objectifs que nous

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nous sommes fixés. Every dollar

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invested contributes to the

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responsible development of our

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community, while helping to

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preserve the unique character of

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our city and, above all, the

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quality of our living

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environment. We know that every

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dollar increase will require

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additional efforts from all of

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us. Thank you for your attention

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. Merci beaucoup. Madame

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Thibault.

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Adoption of the agenda.

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>> Seconded --

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>> District six.

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>> All in favour?

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Alors, maintenant, je pense

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qu'on a une présentation de

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monsieur Daniel Séguin.

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>> The question period will be

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after the presentation.

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>> Thank you, Mister Mayor. -

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Bonsoir. Good evening. Tonight,

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I'm gonna flip from French to

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English throughout the

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presentation. On va commencer

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par regarder ensemble le budget

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de fonctionnement. On va avoir

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un bref rappel sur le budget

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d'immobilisation. On va,

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naturellement, couvrir aussi le

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service de la dette et, à la

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toute fin, on va vous parler des

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augmentations au compte de taxes

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qui seront en moyenne de 3,9%.

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the operating budget, the

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capital budget. We are gonna

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look at the debt service, and of

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course, the property taxes. Le

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budget de fonctionnement des

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moins 23 était de 173 vers

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quelques millions. L'année

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prochaine, rendez-vous à 24, le

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budget sera de 181,5 millions.

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millions, soit 4,8%. Comme

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monsieur le maire vient de

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l'expliquer, la majeure partie

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de l'augmentation, soit 5

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millions, provient de

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l'augmentation de la quote-part

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de l'agglomération de Montréal.

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d'écart, provient des

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augmentations de coûts qui sont

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contrôlés par nous directement

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ici à Pointe-Claire. The

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operating budget in 2023 was

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budget will be 181.5 million,

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which is an increase of 8.3

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million, or 4.8%. The main --

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the major factor that is

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bringing this increase of 8.3 is

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the increase in the -- which is

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5 million. The rest are expenses

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directly controlled by

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Pointe-Claire. On va regarder du

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côté des revenus pour commencer.

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taxation en 2024 seront de 161,5

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millions, soit une augmentation

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de 4,2%. Ça provient

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taxe d'eau. Les services rendus,

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centre aquatique, et les

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différents services que l'on va

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à la population. Le budget pour

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l'année prochaine est très

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similaire, soit de l'ordre de 6

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millions. Donc à peu près pas

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d'augmentation de ce côté-là.

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mutations ainsi que les permis

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de construction. De ce côté-ci,

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il y a une augmentation de... on

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sera à 6,4 millions l'année

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prochaine. C'est une

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augmentation de 6,4%. C'est

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construction qui augmente

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quelque peu. Paiement tenant

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lieu de taxes, ça, ce sont les

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taxes que l'on perçoit,

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principalement pour tout ce qui

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est les écoles ainsi que

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l'hôpital. Donc, il y a un

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ajustement. Le 1,7 millions,

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l'année prochaine, on voit une

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baisse. Mais dans le fond, ce

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qui est arrivé, c'est qu'on a

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ajusté le budget, tout

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simplement, aux réelles. Le réel

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2023 est un peu plus bas que le

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budget et on s'est rajusté tout

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simplement. Ce n'est pas une

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diminution de revenus, c'est

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tout simplement qu'ici ils y

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avaient... le budget était

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surévalué. Au niveau des

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transferts, ça, ce sont

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principalement les subventions

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que l'on touche au cours de

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l'année. Les subventions ou les

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transferts seront légèrement à

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la hausse d'environ 100000

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dollars ou de 7,7%. Du côté des

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intérêts et pénalité, on voit

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une forte hausse. On sera à 2,9

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millions. Les revenus augmentent

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d'intérêt que l'on touche

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maintenant. Les taux d'intérêt

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ont augmenté de façon

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significative au cours des

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derniers mois et, heureusement,

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on a des placements. Donc, les

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à des nouveaux taux, les taux

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d'intérêt significativement

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augmentés nous génère des

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revenus supplémentaires. À mon

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des pénalités. De ce côté-ci, à

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peu près pas le changement. Du

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côté des autres revenus, c'est

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négligeable. Où va votre dès

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lors de l'accession? Pour chaque

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dollar que la Ville de

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Pointe-Claire. -- The question

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period will be after -- I will

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switch in a few seconds. Okay?

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Pour la sécurité publique, ces

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deux sous-. Pour le transport,

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ça, c'est principalement le

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transport de neige et ainsi de

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suite, c'est huit sous.

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L'hygiène du milieu, quatre

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sous. L'organisme, un sous-.

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Loisirs et culture, 12 sous.

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un sous-. L'entretien des

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édifices, cinq sous. Et

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finalement, le service de la

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dette, trois sous. Donc, je le

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répète, ça, c'est une façon de

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visualiser ou va chacun de vos

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dollars de taxation qui sont

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perçus par la Ville de

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Pointe-Claire. Du côté des

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dépenses, au niveau du budget de

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fonctionnement, comme je vous le

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disais, il y a une forte hausse

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du côté de la quote-part, soit 5

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millions, soit 6,4%. Culture,

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sport et loisirs, il y a une

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augmentation de 2%. C'est à

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peine 400000 dollars. Du côté

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des... du transport, c'est une

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augmentation de 11,4%. On sera à

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16,8 millions l'année prochaine.

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Au niveau de l'administration

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générale, une augmentation de

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5,9%. On sera à 15,7 millions

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l'année prochaine. L'entretien

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des bâtiments, on sera à 11,2

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millions, soit une augmentation

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de tout près de 12%. Pour

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l'hygiène du milieu, on sera à

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7,6 millions environ, soit une

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augmentation de 5,8. Les frais

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de financement, heureusement, il

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y a une baisse. On baisse

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d'environ 500000 dollars. Vous

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allez voir dans quelques minutes

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que le service de la dette

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baisse. Donc, par conséquent, il

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y a moins de dépenses de ce

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côté-ci. Une baisse de 19%. Tous

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les coûts pour la sécurité

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publique augmente et elle sera à

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peu près 400000 de plus l'année

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prochaine à 4,1 millions, soit

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9,1%. Pour l'urbanisme, les

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chiffres sont relativement

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similaires en dollars, mais en

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pourcentage, c'est 6,5. Pour les

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véhicules, on parle de 2,8

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millions à 3 millions, soit une

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augmentation de 7,8%. Et

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finalement, pour les

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financements et affectations, il

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y a une baisse de 20% de ce

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côté-ci. Voici une

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représentation graphique Aaron

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de où les dépenses sont faites

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maintenant par Service, par

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direction. Là, cette fois-ci, la

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représentation est sur le budget

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total. Tantôt, je vous

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présentais la représentation de

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où allaient 1 dollar de

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taxation, c'est-à-dire pour les

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160 millions. Ici, c'est le

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budget global des dépenses.

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Donc, il y a 51% qui vont

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directement pour les paiements

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de quote-part, fin de

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financement, affectations et

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réserve. Pour le conseil et la

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direction générale, c'est 1% du

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budget. Pour les finances, c'est

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5%. Les affaires juridiques,

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c'est 1%. Les communications,

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c'est 1%. Les arrachent, on est

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à 2%. Inspections et sécurité

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publique, nous sommes à 2%.

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Travaux publics, immeubles et

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équipements, 23%. L'ingénierie a

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2%, le urbanisme a deux. Et

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finalement, culture, sports

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loisirs, 10%. Now, in English,

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okay? The revenues, okay?

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Taxation revenues will increase

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from 154.9 million to 161

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million. That's an increase of

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4.2%. Services provided, those

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are mainly all the services that

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we render to all the citizens,

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such as the aquatic center. So,

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basically, there is no increase

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on this section. Imposition of

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duties, that is basically the

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welcome tax and the construction

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permit. There is an increase of

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roughly 400,000, or an increase

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of 6.4%. Paiement tenant lieu de

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taxes Those are the taxes that

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we collect for the schools and

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the hospital. So, there is an

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adjustment. That adjustment is

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basically to reflect the actual.

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We were over budgeted in 2023.

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Transfers, that was basically

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the grants that we get from

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mostly the provincial

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government. There is an increase

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of roughly 400,000 or 7.7%.

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Increase, interest in penalties,

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a big increase due to the fact

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that the money in the bank

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generates the interests have

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increase significantly this

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year. So, therefore, we are

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lucky. We have the

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JICs in English, thank you. That

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is a major increase in 2024. For

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finds, the amounts are quite

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similar. And the same thing for

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other income. So, where does

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your taxation dollar go? 54%, or

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54 cents of every taxation

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dollar that we collect is

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remitted to the adult. And after

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that, there is two cents for the

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investments, eight cents for

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administration, two cents for

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Public Security, eight cents for

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transportation, four cents for

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the environment -- one cent for

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urban planning, culture, sports,

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and leisure, 12 cents, cars and

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trucks, 12%, the public

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buildings, Mayor's public

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buildings, 5%. Les jeunes du

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milieu

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And that repayment, 3%. So, that

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is how the taxation dollar is

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paid. That is basically, just to

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come back, that is the -- the

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161 million, where does it go.

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In a minute, we are gonna look

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at the expenses, but the total

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expenses. Now, the expenses, as

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I said, major increase in the --

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roughly 5 million, that's an

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increase of 6.4 million. And you

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are gonna see the rest in

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dollars, there is an increase of

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only three for all the expenses

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controlled by Pointe-Claire but

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5 million for the -- so cultures

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sports and leisure, increase of

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roughly 400,000 or 2%.

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Transportation, we are gonna be

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at 16.8 million, an increase of

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11.4%. Admin, we are gonna be at

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15.7, an increase of 5.9.

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Building, the maintenance for

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buildings is gonna be at 11.2,

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an increase of 11.7%.

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L'environnement, l'hygiène du

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milieu It's gonna be an increase

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of roughly 400,000 or 5.8%.

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Financing costs, they are

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decreasing because we're gonna

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see in a few minutes that the

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long term debt is decreasing,

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therefore the expenses are

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decreasing. The cost for Public

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Security, an increase of roughly

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400,000, or 9.1%. Urban

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planning, an increase of roughly

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100,000, or 6.5%. For the fleet

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of cars and trucks, the budget

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will be at 3 million, 7.8%. And

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finally, the expenses for

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financing allocations are

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decreasing by almost 20%. So,

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this is the graphic view of how,

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where the money goes by

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direction. So, of course, to

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start off with a 51%, it goes to

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the quote-part for the, well,

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the agglo. And then for City

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Council and city manager's

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office, 1%. Finance, 5%. Legal

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affairs, 1%. Communications,

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one. HR, 2%. Public security,

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2%. Public works, buildings, and

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equipment, 23%. Engineering, 2%.

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Urban planning, 2% as well. And

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finally, culture, sports, and

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leisure, 10%. Just a quick

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reminder about the -- En

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français, le budget

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d'immobilisation où notre PTI,

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notre programme triennal

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d'investissement, a été présenté

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en novembre. On a

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essentiellement présenté ces

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montants-là, ce budget-là du PTI

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de notre programme

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d'investissement a été adopté.

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Mais juste un rappel rapide

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qu'il y aura différents projets

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pour une somme totale de 35,4

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millions. Les projets les plus

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importants seront la réfection

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de la rue Monterey, Bellerive

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en. On va avoir Saunders et on

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va avoir une trop. On va avoir

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des travaux importants aussi aux

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échangeurs de l'autoroute 20 et

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des sources et des services

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professionnels importants pour

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étudier la réflexion de

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l'échangeur Saint-Jean et de la

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40. Du côté des parcs, il y aura

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des réflexions de terrain de

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tennis, et incorpore

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(---)

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possiblement également une piste

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cyclable près de

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(---)

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six et seulement si on est

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capable d'avoir une subvention.

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Finalement, il y aura différents

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remplacement d'équipements, que

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ce soit pour les véhicules

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équipements informatiques. Un

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programme d'investissement se

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doit d'être également financées.

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Le financement sera

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principalement les règlements

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d'emprunts à l'ensemble du

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territoire. Il y aura un 15% qui

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proviendra des réserves et,

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finalement, un 3% qui proviendra

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du fond de parc et terrain de

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jeu. On a un aperçu... on fait

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toujours une planification 50,

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et si je ne vous présente que 3

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ans, mais je vous ai présenté

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notre niveau de certitude et de

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confort pour 2024 est élevé.

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Naturellement, plus on s'éloigne

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dans le temps, moins le degré de

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précision est important. Et je

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dois cependant vous rappeler que

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les montants que vous voyez ici

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sont significatifs pour 2025 et

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2026, mais ces montants-là

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seront toujours... il y aura

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toujours un important travail de

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priorisation qui sera fait et

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qui devra être adaptée en

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fonction dans la capacité de

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payer des citoyens. In November,

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we adopted our CIPà land, that

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is our three-year program that

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we adopted if I'm not mistaken.

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In general, there's gonna be

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major projects for the streets,

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Monterrey, Millhaven, Sunday

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all, Winthrop. We're also gonna

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have work to finish at the -- 20

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and sources. There's also gonna

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be a tiny important cost

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regarding the planning for the

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intersection of the Santa and

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the 40. And for the parts of

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green spaces, we are planning on

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doing the tennis and pickleball

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at the Northview Park. We also

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have a grant to build a new bike

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path, bike path in the -- and

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the rest, there is also

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replacement for fleet, cars, and

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that equipment. CIP has to be

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financed, and of course, most of

541
00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:40,060
the financing will come from

542
00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:43,060
borrowing bylaws, 82%. 15% will

543
00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:45,060
come from reserves, and 3% will

544
00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:48,060
be from the parks and playground

545
00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:52,060
funds. As I said in French,

546
00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:56,060
there are significant -- amounts

547
00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:58,060
for the future years but of

548
00:21:58,060 --> 00:22:01,020
course, this will have to be

549
00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:03,020
prioritized according to the

550
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:06,020
citizens capacity to pay and the

551
00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:11,020
potential for completion. La

552
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:14,020
date à long terme. On a commencé

553
00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:16,020
l'année 2023 à 104,4 millions.

554
00:22:16,020 --> 00:22:17,020
On a eu des remboursements de

555
00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:21,020
capital de 19 millions. Cette

556
00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:23,020
année, on est heureux de vous

557
00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:25,020
apprendre que, pour la deuxième

558
00:22:25,020 --> 00:22:27,020
année consécutive, il n'y a eu

559
00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:28,020
aucun nouvel emprunt, ce qui

560
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:30,020
fait qu'on termine l'année à

561
00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:34,020
85,4 millions. Ce qui est

562
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:38,020
planifié pour des 1024. On va

563
00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:40,020
ouvrir... notre seule de

564
00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:42,020
fermeture devient

565
00:22:42,020 --> 00:22:43,020
(---)

566
00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:44,020
notre seule d'ouverture de 2024.

567
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:46,020
En 84,5 millions, on va

568
00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:48,020
rembourser les tranches de

569
00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:51,020
capital pour un total de 18,5

570
00:22:51,020 --> 00:22:53,020
millions et on aura possiblement

571
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:56,020
des emprunts d'un maximum de 5

572
00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:57,020
millions. Ce 5 millions-là, pour

573
00:22:57,020 --> 00:22:59,020
le moment, s'il doit être

574
00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:01,080
réalisé, ce sera à la toute fin

575
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,080
de l'année 2024. Donc, on espère

576
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,080
que 2024 sera la troisième année

577
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,080
consécutive où la Ville de

578
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,080
Pointe-Claire n'aura pas à

579
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,080
négocier de nouveaux

580
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,080
financements. Long term debt, we

581
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,080
started the year at 104.4

582
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,080
million. We have reimbursed

583
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,080
capital repayments of 19

584
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,080
million. We did not contract any

585
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,080
additional long-term debt. So we

586
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,080
are ending the year at 85.4

587
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,080
million. That becomes our

588
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,080
opening balance. In 2024, we

589
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,080
will reimburse capital

590
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080
repayments of 18.5 million.

591
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,080
Hopefully, we won't have to

592
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,080
negotiate new financing. But if

593
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,080
we do have to do that, it will

594
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,080
be only at the end of 2024, and

595
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,080
it will be only in the month,

596
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,080
amount of 5 million. Therefore,

597
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,080
hopefully, this amount of 71.9

598
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,040
million will be the -- the

599
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,040
balance will be lower than that

600
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,040
if we don't negotiate the 5

601
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,040
million. Les taux de taxation.

602
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,040
Comme monsieur Lemaire l'a

603
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040
annoncé plus tôt, tout ce qui

604
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,040
est résidentiel sera à 3,9%. Ce

605
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,040
sera la même chose pour la

606
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
catégorie des immeubles de six

607
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040
logements et plus. Pour les

608
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,040
immeubles commerciaux, la

609
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,040
première tranche d'1 million

610
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,040
sera également à 3,9%. Les

611
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,040
immeubles commerciaux, la

612
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,040
tranche excédant 1 million, ce

613
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,040
sera à 4,5% d'augmentation. Les

614
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,040
immeubles industriels, ce sera à

615
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,040
3,9%. Vous voyez les taux, mais

616
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040
je vous donne les pourcentages

617
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,040
et on va regarder, dans quelques

618
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,040
instants, une résidence

619
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,040
moyennant Pointe-Claire. Les

620
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,040
terrains vagues, c'est la même

621
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,040
chose, c'est une augmentation de

622
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,040
3,9%. Et finalement, la

623
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,040
tarification de l'eau passera de

624
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:02,000
1,11 dollars par mètre cube à

625
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,000
1,22 dollars du mètre cube. Je

626
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,000
vais juste vous rappeler que

627
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000
nous sommes à l'année un rôle

628
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,000
triennal de 3 ans. Donc, ce que

629
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
ça veut dire, c'est qu'à la fin

630
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
2022, au 1er janvier, il y a eu

631
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000
un rôle triennal... le service

632
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,000
d'évaluation foncière de la

633
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,000
Ville de Montréal nous soumet un

634
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,000
nouveau rôle. Ce nouveau rôle là

635
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000
est venu en effet au 1er janvier

636
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,000
2023. En général, les

637
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000
résidentes, tout ce qui est

638
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000
résidentielle, l'augmentation

639
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,000
moyenne était de 42% de 2022 à

640
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000
2023. Puisqu'on a un rôle

641
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,000
triennal pour les années 2023,

642
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000
2024 et 2025, la valeur des

643
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
maisons restent stables. Je vous

644
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
rappelle que la valeur des

645
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000
maisons, de 2022 à 2023, il y a

646
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000
eu grosso modo une augmentation

647
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,060
d'environ 200000, ou 42%. Donc,

648
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:05,060
on a dû réajuster les taux à la

649
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:08,060
baisse pour ajuster le compte de

650
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:11,060
taxes. Là, en 2024, la valeur

651
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:13,060
moyenne reste stable parce que

652
00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:14,060
le rôle triennal reste fixe

653
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:18,060
pendant 3 ans. Ce qu'on fait,

654
00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:19,060
c'est plutôt des ajustements de

655
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:24,060
taux. Donc, le taux passe de

656
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:28,060
0,26 à 0,62, 61, soit 2,35 sous

657
00:26:28,060 --> 00:26:30,060
par tranche de

658
00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:31,060
(---)

659
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:32,060
dollars, ce qui veut dire une

660
00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:33,060
augmentation du compte de taxes

661
00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:38,060
de 158 dollars ou 3,9%. The

662
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:44,060
rates, the property tax rates in

663
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:47,060
2024, you have the numbers here.

664
00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:50,060
But they are all increases of

665
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:52,060
3.9%, except for commercial

666
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:53,060
buildings for the portion above

667
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:56,060
1 million. In this category, the

668
00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:59,060
increase will be 4.5%. But for

669
00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:01,020
all the other categories, it's

670
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:03,020
going to be an increase of 3.9%.

671
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:07,020
We are gonna look at the --

672
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:09,020
residents. As I was saying in

673
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:11,020
French, we are at the beginning

674
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:12,020
-- we are in the first year of

675
00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:15,020
the assessment role. Le service

676
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:16,020
d'évaluation foncière de

677
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:18,020
Montréal Gives us an assessment

678
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:20,020
role every three years. Last

679
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:22,020
year, we obtained a new

680
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:23,020
assessment role, and there was a

681
00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:25,020
major increase in the value of

682
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:27,020
all the residences in

683
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:29,020
Pointe-Claire. But now, the

684
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:32,020
value of our houses is now

685
00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:34,020
stable, and it will stay stable

686
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:38,020
for 2023, 2024, and 2025. The

687
00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:40,020
major increase last year was an

688
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:42,020
increase in value. We had to

689
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:44,020
decrease the rates. So, last

690
00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:46,020
year, they increase in taxes was

691
00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:50,020
in general 5.9%, if and only if,

692
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:52,020
you were on the average. And as

693
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:54,020
I was explaining, some people

694
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:57,020
had greater increases in value,

695
00:27:57,020 --> 00:28:00,080
more than 42%. Therefore, the

696
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,080
taxation rate has to be -- the

697
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,080
same for all citizens. But the

698
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,080
value of some houses has

699
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,080
increased by 50% instead of 42%.

700
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,080
Therefore, you are being hit by,

701
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,080
in some cases, additional -- in

702
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:22,080
some cases, yes. But for 2024,

703
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,080
the value of the houses, the

704
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,080
average house, the value stays

705
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,080
the same. And it will stay the

706
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,080
same for the next three years,

707
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,080
2024, 2025 -- well, it was, the

708
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,080
new value was for 2023, 2024,

709
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,080
2025. So, therefore, there is

710
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,080
only an adjustment in the rate.

711
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,080
The rate increases by 0.6, 26 to

712
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,080
0.2 60 to 61. So that is an

713
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,080
increase of 3.9% in the rate

714
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,080
because the value of the houses

715
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,080
has not increased. So the tax

716
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,080
bill will increase for the

717
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,040
average house from 4063 to 4221,

718
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,040
or $158, or 3.9%. There is an

719
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,040
annex one, and next to. But

720
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,040
basically the annex one, and

721
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,040
next to, it's basically the same

722
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040
thing. Revenue, expenses, long

723
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,040
term debt, those are the same

724
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,040
number in the annexes, depending

725
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,040
on if you look at the

726
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:30,040
presentation for the expenses.

727
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,040
Now, --

728
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,040
- Période des questions. >> I

729
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,040
will gladly answer any

730
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,040
questions. Lynn Conway.

731
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,040
>> Good evening. Good evening,

732
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,040
Council. I don't know where to

733
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,040
start. Last evaluation, last tax

734
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,040
bill, I am paying $600 more in

735
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,040
taxes. And my background is

736
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,000
accounting. So, I find this

737
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000
interesting. I have a question,

738
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,000
though, for the long term debt.

739
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Is everything included in the

740
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000
long term debt this year,

741
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000
because last year, at the end of

742
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000
the meeting, that whip said

743
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000
there was a separate long term

744
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
debt with the agglo.

745
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
>> The agglo --

746
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,000
>> Use that all included this

747
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000
time?

748
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,000
>> This is the long term debt

749
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000
controlled by Pointe-Claire. The

750
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,000
agglo also contracts long term

751
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000
debts.

752
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000
>> It's only that we had the

753
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
long term debt, but the agglo --

754
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
we have a chair.

755
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000
>> The agglo itself, okay,

756
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000
transfers portions of long term

757
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,000
debt to Montréal and all 15

758
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
cities. But the debt of the

759
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000
agglo is not controlled by us.

760
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
It's controlled by the agglo.

761
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
But someone has to account for

762
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,060
it. Therefore, they tell us how

763
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:02,060
much long term debt of the agglo

764
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:04,060
is transferred to Pointe-Claire.

765
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:07,060
>> But I think, Linda was

766
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:09,060
talking about last year, when we

767
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:13,060
emerged from Montréal, they gave

768
00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:15,060
us a debt that we had to repay

769
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:16,060
them.

770
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:19,060
>> That's part of the agglo long

771
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:22,060
term debt. This debt is the debt

772
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:25,060
controlled by this council,

773
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:29,060
whenever we negotiate warring

774
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:31,060
bylaws, this is what we control,

775
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:33,060
and this is what we borrow, and

776
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:36,060
this is what we report, because

777
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:38,060
we control of that. The agglo

778
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:43,060
also makes borrowing bylaws.

779
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:47,060
They add them up. And they carry

780
00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:49,060
the long term debt at the same

781
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:50,060
way they distribute the long

782
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:53,060
term costs. That is why, in our

783
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:55,060
quote-part, we take part of the

784
00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:56,060
expenses of the agglo. And we

785
00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:58,060
also take part of the long term

786
00:31:58,060 --> 00:32:01,020
debt of the agglo. But I'm

787
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:02,020
presenting only the debt that is

788
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:05,020
in our books. So, it's only the

789
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:07,020
debt that we control.

790
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:10,020
>> Okay, and we have

791
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:11,020
investments.

792
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:12,020
>> Yes --

793
00:32:12,020 --> 00:32:14,020
>> So, we are collecting money

794
00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:17,020
on our investment which might

795
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:19,020
pay -- we might get, like, a

796
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:22,020
smaller percentage interest. But

797
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:24,020
then, we borrow money where we

798
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:26,020
will pay more interest.

799
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:30,020
>> Well, that's why I hope that

800
00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:33,020
for the third year in a row, in

801
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:35,020
2024, as I was saying,

802
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:37,020
hopefully, we won't borrow any

803
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:42,020
money because, yes, we have GICs

804
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:45,020
yes, we make interest on them,

805
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:47,020
and hopefully, our cash position

806
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:49,020
is favourable right now.

807
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:50,020
Therefore, we don't have to

808
00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:52,020
increase our long-term debt

809
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:53,020
because although money is in the

810
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:55,020
bank right now and we are

811
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:57,020
collecting interest on it.

812
00:32:57,020 --> 00:33:01,080
>> But why don't we use the --

813
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,080
our assets, the GICs, to pay our

814
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,080
long-term debt.

815
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,080
>> That is what we are doing

816
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080
gradually. As you can see, there

817
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,080
are important capital

818
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,080
repayments, okay? So, we do have

819
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,080
reserves. So, when the capital

820
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,080
repayments become due, we use

821
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,080
those reserves to pay the

822
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,080
long-term debt. But they will

823
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,080
have to become do you because

824
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,080
they were negotiated a few years

825
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,080
ago, but in general, the long

826
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,080
term debt, whenever we borrow

827
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,080
money, it's over a 20-year

828
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,080
period. So there are capital

829
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,080
portions that are offered to be

830
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,080
refinanced every five years. And

831
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,080
that is why we have reserves.

832
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,080
So, basically we have money in

833
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,080
the bank account to reimburse

834
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,080
any one refinancing that becomes

835
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,080
due.

836
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,040
>> Okay, and it's spread out --

837
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,040
>> It's spread out over a long

838
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,040
period of time.

839
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,040
>> When we come to that meetings

840
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,040
every month, in the agenda, I

841
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:12,040
always see there is items where

842
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,040
there is borrowing involved.

843
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,040
Here, it is written, new

844
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,040
financing, zero. In December, it

845
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,040
was maybe at 500,000. November,

846
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,040
2.1 million. There's always some

847
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,040
type of borrowing.

848
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,040
>> We do negotiate borrowing

849
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,040
bylaws. It doesn't mean that we

850
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,040
use them. Every time we present

851
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,040
a CIP program, a capital

852
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,040
investment program, the program

853
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,040
has to be financed. How it's

854
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,040
financed? By negotiating the

855
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,040
burrowing bylaws. Those are just

856
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,040
the burrowing bylaws that are

857
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,040
negotiated, but it doesn't mean

858
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,040
that we do actually use them. It

859
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,040
is like negotiating a line of

860
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040
credit with the bank. We

861
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,040
negotiate the line of credit,

862
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,000
but it's offered to us, but we

863
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000
try not to use it. That's why

864
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000
here, I say, okay, we are gonna

865
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,000
have major renovation, major

866
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
construction projects, but we

867
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,000
are trying to pay them with the

868
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
money that we have in the band,

869
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,000
and not use that minor credit.

870
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
>> Okay, I'm just trying to

871
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000
understand why they would put it

872
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,000
in the agenda meeting --

873
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
>> -- There is an obligation for

874
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,000
all municipalities to present

875
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,000
that capital investment program

876
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000
and to finance the capital

877
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,000
investment program.

878
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Le ministère des Finances, le

879
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
ministère des Affaires

880
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,000
municipales

881
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
>> So it might mean that there

882
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
is no borrowing going on but

883
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,000
it's not actually --

884
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
>> It's not being used. That's

885
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
why I compare that to the line

886
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000
of credit. You negotiate a line

887
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
of credit, if you don't use it,

888
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000
it doesn't cost you anything. If

889
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000
you use it, then you pay

890
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000
interest on it.

891
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,000
>> What I thought was

892
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,060
interesting also is we are

893
00:36:00,060 --> 00:36:03,060
budget is increasing by 4.2%

894
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:06,060
because they agglo increased

895
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:11,060
taxes by 5.9% -- I am paying

896
00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:15,060
16.5% more taxes. I'm wondering,

897
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:19,060
my evaluation went up by 44%.

898
00:36:19,060 --> 00:36:22,060
>> It's probably more than that.

899
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:25,060
>> I am paying $600 more in

900
00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:28,060
taxes -- yes --

901
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:30,060
>> Let's look -- can I offer

902
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:31,060
that you call me or you come in

903
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:34,060
see me, okay? I will explain to

904
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:36,060
you the value of your house in

905
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:38,060
2022, the value of your house in

906
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:39,060
--

907
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:40,060
>> I understand very well, and I

908
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:44,060
have a problem with that concept

909
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:46,060
for me in the elementary. It's

910
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:48,060
at the end, I have to pay $600

911
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:50,060
more, but then, I did not see it

912
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:51,060
reflected in the revenue that we

913
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:54,060
have, and the revenue went up by

914
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:57,060
4.2%. Yet, my text went up by

915
00:36:57,060 --> 00:36:58,060
16.5%. It's somebody having a

916
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:00,020
decrease in their taxes?

917
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:03,020
>> Yes, yes, some people had

918
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:04,020
decreases because they were

919
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:07,020
below the average. The increase

920
00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:09,020
in value on average was 42%.

921
00:37:09,020 --> 00:37:11,020
They increase in value from 2020

922
00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:15,020
to 2023, that is the average.

923
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:17,020
Some people were below the

924
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:18,020
average and some people were

925
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:21,020
above the average. We always the

926
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:24,020
present the average value of the

927
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:26,020
house. But those 10,000 --

928
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:27,020
>> But the assessment went down

929
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:29,020
as well because I did not hear

930
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:31,020
about anybody paying those

931
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:32,020
taxes. It's the first time I

932
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:33,020
hear that --

933
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:34,020
>> No, there was a lot of people

934
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:38,020
that had decreases. Well, they

935
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:41,020
were not being hit by 5.9. The

936
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:43,020
average was 5.9. Some people are

937
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:45,020
paying three. Some people were

938
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:49,020
paying 12%, increase in taxes. I

939
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:51,020
am talking -- we always present

940
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:55,020
the average. That's why, I will

941
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:59,020
gladly look at your -- at the

942
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:01,080
value of your house, explain the

943
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,080
increase in value, and explain

944
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,080
that there was a decrease in the

945
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,080
rate. But you were force or

946
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,080
above the average of 42%

947
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,080
increase in the value of your

948
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,080
house last year.

949
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,080
>> Roughly, about 44, 45% --

950
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,080
>> At least 45.

951
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,080
>> There is a need to justify

952
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,080
that because maybe a few houses

953
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,080
in my neighbourhood went up in

954
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,080
price because it was scarcity

955
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,080
right after COVID. But now,

956
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080
things are going back to normal.

957
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,080
There is no score city now.

958
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,080
>> There is always fluctuation

959
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080
in that real estate market. Yes

960
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,080
-- and, again, I will gladly

961
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,080
come and see me, and we will

962
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,080
look at it, and then, we will

963
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,080
explain in detail why there was

964
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,080
an increase in value of your

965
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,080
house, and how it was reflected

966
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,080
in the increase in your taxes of

967
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,040
2023. Next year, the value of

968
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,040
your house right now is staying

969
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,040
stable. Therefore, you are only

970
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,040
affected by the fluctuation in

971
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,040
that taxation rate. Therefore,

972
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:14,040
your tax increase would be 3.9%.

973
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,040
>> Okay, thank you.

974
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,040
>> Okay?

975
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,040
>> Councillor Eric Stork?

976
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,040
>> Just to help understand,

977
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,040
because the long-term debt has

978
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,040
been brought up a number of

979
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,040
times on how it's calculated.

980
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,040
The best way to explain it is

981
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,040
that the citizens of

982
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,040
Pointe-Claire have to credit

983
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,040
cards, one that is managed by

984
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,040
the City, and won managed by

985
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Montréal. Our total credit card

986
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,040
debt is, I think, if I'm not

987
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040
mistaken, between municipal and

988
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Montréal, it's about 200 and $20

989
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,040
million, if I'm not mistaken.

990
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,040
>> Yeah.

991
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,040
>> Something of that nature. In

992
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,040
our credit card, let's say we

993
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,040
have 100,000 dollar balance.

994
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,040
Since 2017, our debt on our

995
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,040
credit card has actually gone

996
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,040
down to about $75. The debt that

997
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,040
we control, 2017, I think it was

998
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,040
112 million, now we are down to

999
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,000
71. That is 71 of 210, let's

1000
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,000
say, which is three times more.

1001
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,000
The debt, liquidate card for

1002
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Montréal that they have that we

1003
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
pay for was about $100,000. But

1004
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,000
that has gone up to $145,000.

1005
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
So, our increase in debt is

1006
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
increasing, but the debt that we

1007
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
control on our credit card has

1008
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000
gone down. It's the Montréal

1009
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,000
credit card that has basically

1010
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,000
gone crazy. Is that a fair

1011
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
assessment?

1012
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,000
>> Yes.

1013
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
>> I'm just trying to help put

1014
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
visualizer a bit better.

1015
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,000
>> I would don't mind your

1016
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
choice of words, but yeah.

1017
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000
>> Councillor --

1018
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000
>> Good evening. The taxes have

1019
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,000
increased 600, my wife, are we

1020
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
able -- the City Council when

1021
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
they vote for the

1022
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
administration, they say when we

1023
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,060
give permission to build all the

1024
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,060
high-rises and the condos, it's

1025
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:05,060
going to lower our taxes. But we

1026
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:08,060
never had this kind of increase

1027
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:09,060
we. We have lived in

1028
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:12,060
Pointe-Claire for 60 years. We

1029
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:13,060
increased 60% in the value of

1030
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:18,060
the House, 45%. So, the city

1031
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:21,060
council can vote for -- to

1032
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:23,060
freeze the taxes for people when

1033
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:28,060
they increase that much, 16% --

1034
00:41:28,060 --> 00:41:32,060
$600 a year. Then you vote to

1035
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:37,060
freeze that taxes for the

1036
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:39,060
citizens, or the household

1037
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:42,060
increase in taxes, not much. I

1038
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:45,060
am talking because when they

1039
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:47,060
vote for everything --

1040
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:50,060
>> Go ahead --

1041
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:52,060
>> I think it's comparable here.

1042
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:54,060
My analysis, I have had many

1043
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:56,060
different people, if there was

1044
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:57,060
an increase, the development

1045
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:59,060
that we have had in terms of

1046
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:02,020
these apartments, slash condos,

1047
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:04,020
rental condos, have lowered the

1048
00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:07,020
increase that we have seen. So,

1049
00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:11,020
it is not by having them build

1050
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:13,020
those buildings. If the increase

1051
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:16,020
was 16%, it might have been 18%,

1052
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:18,020
in my opinion, in my analysis,

1053
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:20,020
from what I understand as a

1054
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:21,020
member of the finance committee.

1055
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:24,020
Yes, we had our increase. But to

1056
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:26,020
me, they are a net contributor

1057
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:29,020
to our tax base, not a loss. The

1058
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:31,020
increase is diminished, the

1059
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:32,020
interest might have been more if

1060
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:33,020
we did not have them, that's

1061
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:34,020
what I'm trying to say.

1062
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:36,020
>> But we never had this

1063
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:39,020
increase. For 30 years, it was

1064
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:43,020
2% -- we never had that. The

1065
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:46,020
second thing also, you said the

1066
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:48,020
City of Pointe-Claire -- the

1067
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:51,020
City of Montréal increased our

1068
00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:55,020
value of the houses. And some

1069
00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:57,020
increased too much, like us, and

1070
00:42:57,020 --> 00:42:58,020
some did not increase by that

1071
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:00,080
much. Can the city contest about

1072
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,080
that? How can someone pay $300

1073
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,080
to increase or get 100, they

1074
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,080
refuse it? The city is supposed

1075
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,080
to be -- because the city gave

1076
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,080
them the data for how to

1077
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,080
increase our taxes, our

1078
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,080
valuation of the house. Count

1079
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,080
the City contest about all that,

1080
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,080
on behalf of all residents?

1081
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,080
>> We don't give them the data,

1082
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,080
sir. The market gives them the

1083
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,080
data. And the sale prices of

1084
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,080
houses, it is what the data is.

1085
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,080
>> But, you know, there was

1086
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,080
COVID, the interest that was

1087
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,080
1.5. Now, that is -- the

1088
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,080
mortgage is almost 8%. There is

1089
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,080
a shortage of houses because

1090
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,080
they are building only

1091
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,080
high-rises or condos. So it's

1092
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,080
not our fault as a household. So

1093
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,080
what I'm saying, you know, as a

1094
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,080
citizen, and City Council, we

1095
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,040
can share all that and contest

1096
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,040
to the City of Montréal on our

1097
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,040
behalf. Instead of having every

1098
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,040
household pay through the

1099
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,040
dollars, they're not getting

1100
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,040
everything for, $200 in the end.

1101
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,040
So at least, and we do that?

1102
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,040
>> Every household is paying

1103
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,040
$158 more this year.

1104
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,040
>> I am talking about last year,

1105
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,040
the increased 4%, but it did not

1106
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,040
increase --

1107
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,040
>> That was only real estate

1108
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,040
fluctuation. It was only based

1109
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,040
on reinstate fluctuation and

1110
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,040
activity where you lived. It's a

1111
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,040
formula that we don't control.

1112
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,040
The agglo has its own formula

1113
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,040
for the increases and the cost

1114
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,040
of housing and how they

1115
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,040
evaluate. The valuation is not

1116
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,040
us, the valuation is the agglo.

1117
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,040
>> But, can't you contest that

1118
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,040
--

1119
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,040
>> How can we contest? Do you

1120
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,040
want to speak, Kelly? Sure.

1121
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,040
>> I do recognize that it is a

1122
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,040
stressor when you have a fixed

1123
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,040
income and your taxes are going

1124
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,040
up. But I don't believe from

1125
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,000
speaking to other residents,

1126
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
everyone would want their home

1127
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000
reevaluated, and it should go

1128
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000
back down. They are happy that

1129
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
the value of their home has gone

1130
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000
up. That's why the taxes are

1131
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
what they are is because if you

1132
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000
decided to sell tomorrow, and

1133
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,000
that was your investment for

1134
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,000
retirement, then you are shaking

1135
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000
your head, but some people do

1136
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,000
not want to have their home

1137
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,000
reassessed. They are happy with

1138
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000
the value of their home because

1139
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,000
that's what they can sell it for

1140
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
tomorrow. I recognize it's

1141
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,000
difficult when your house has

1142
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000
gone up. A significant amount,

1143
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
so you are currently paying

1144
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
more, it will be stable for the

1145
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,000
next three years. Again, it was

1146
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,000
based on the market. It was

1147
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
based on the homes that were

1148
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
sold in your area, and that's

1149
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
how much they will determine it.

1150
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,000
It's not something that we

1151
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000
control. And, yes, it is of

1152
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000
concern for some. But there's

1153
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000
others, other residents who are

1154
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
very happy that the value of

1155
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
their home has increased, so

1156
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,000
that they can sell their home at

1157
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000
that higher value. So, the

1158
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
reason why you are paying more

1159
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000
is because you have more of a

1160
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
value to property now.

1161
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,000
>> Understand that. When I spoke

1162
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
with my neighbours, everybody

1163
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,060
was disappointed, really, due to

1164
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:02,060
the increase. That's why I'm

1165
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:04,060
asking if the city council and

1166
00:46:04,060 --> 00:46:08,060
the Mayor contest on behalf --

1167
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:13,060
to the City of Montréal, to

1168
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:15,060
consider lowering it. When you

1169
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:17,060
sell your house, it doesn't

1170
00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:19,060
matter how much the valuation

1171
00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:21,060
is. It's going to be what's

1172
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:23,060
inside your house, how you

1173
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:24,060
renovate it, how you take care

1174
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:25,060
of it. That's how the price is

1175
00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:27,060
going to be. It's not because

1176
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:29,060
the city --

1177
00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:31,060
>> We did protest. We did. We

1178
00:46:31,060 --> 00:46:33,060
voted against the budget last

1179
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:34,060
week. We all protested.

1180
00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:35,060
>> You contested?

1181
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:37,060
>> Yes, we contested. And I

1182
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:39,060
would be surprised if anybody

1183
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:40,060
looked up from their cell phone

1184
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:42,060
when we did so. I mean, it's

1185
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:45,060
really, the experience of the

1186
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:47,060
agglomeration, it's pretty much

1187
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:49,060
what it is. We make our

1188
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:53,060
statement, and even our

1189
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:55,060
president gets up and expresses

1190
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:56,060
this contempt. And once he is

1191
00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:58,060
done, the meeting carries on.

1192
00:46:58,060 --> 00:46:59,060
That is pretty much the extent

1193
00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:01,020
of it, unfortunately.

1194
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:03,020
>> Thank you. I hope you do it

1195
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:04,020
again.

1196
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:05,020
>> If I can just pick up on a

1197
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:06,020
few things, a couple of comments

1198
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:11,020
which you are referring to.

1199
00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:12,020
Councillor Eric Stork referred

1200
00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:13,020
to the fact that increased

1201
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:15,020
residential development may in

1202
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:17,020
fact reduce access, which is

1203
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:19,020
contestable, which is debatable.

1204
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:21,020
We have seen and Pointe-Claire

1205
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:23,020
over the course of time,

1206
00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:25,020
increased residential

1207
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:26,020
development, substantial

1208
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:27,020
residential development. And

1209
00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:29,020
yet, the housing costs don't

1210
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:31,020
seem to go down, and increased

1211
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:32,020
supply doesn't seem to reduce

1212
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:34,020
the average costs of homes. So,

1213
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:37,020
you know, whether the two are

1214
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:38,020
comparable, I'm not sure. The

1215
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:39,020
second point I would like to

1216
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:41,020
make is commercial and

1217
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:42,020
industrial have a huge bearing.

1218
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:44,020
The old formula was commercial

1219
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:45,020
and industrial will bring you

1220
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:47,020
more revenue because you don't

1221
00:47:47,020 --> 00:47:49,020
have to give as many services.

1222
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:50,020
So, if you have increased

1223
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:52,020
residential, you have to give

1224
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:54,020
schools, hospitals, garbage

1225
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:55,020
collection, recreation

1226
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:56,020
facilities, et cetera. And once

1227
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:58,020
you've done that, all that

1228
00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:59,020
increased tax revenue goes back

1229
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:02,080
to services, where if it's

1230
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,080
industrial, you get your

1231
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,080
revenue, you don't have to give

1232
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,080
as many services. Councillor

1233
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,080
Eric Stork would disagree with

1234
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,080
that, but I learned from a book

1235
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,080
I read on it, and other mayors

1236
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,080
who strongly believe in that. We

1237
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,080
look at Mississauga which is the

1238
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,080
largest growth, residential area

1239
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,080
and the country. And it's taxes

1240
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,080
haven't gone up. The residential

1241
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,080
values don't seem to be

1242
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,080
diminished. So, it's open to

1243
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,080
debate, at the bare minimum,

1244
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,080
it's open to debate.

1245
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,080
>> Yes, if you allow to debate

1246
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,080
more single houses --

1247
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,080
>> Excuse me, Mister Mayor -- I

1248
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,080
apologize for interrupting.

1249
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,080
>> Would you like to speak?

1250
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,080
>> Well, I want to ask you a

1251
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,080
question --

1252
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,080
>> We are not supposed to be

1253
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,080
debating you and I.

1254
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
>> No, no, I just want to know,

1255
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,080
I think we are completely off

1256
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,080
track the agenda.

1257
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,080
>> No. I mean, that's your

1258
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,080
interpretation. The gentleman is

1259
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:01,040
asking about the personal -- the

1260
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,040
gentleman has asked about the

1261
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,040
rate of taxation and how much he

1262
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,040
has to pay. And we are speaking

1263
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,040
about exactly that in our

1264
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,040
budget. So, I don't think it's

1265
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,040
completely off base. We are

1266
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,040
getting, excuse me, we are

1267
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040
getting into a little bit of sub

1268
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,040
debates here, so, maybe we can

1269
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,040
leave it at that. Are you good,

1270
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,040
sir?

1271
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,040
>> Okay, yes, I just hope really

1272
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,040
to allow for single houses to be

1273
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,040
built. So we need for future

1274
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,040
generations, families, live like

1275
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,040
what we have in our life. That

1276
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,040
is what I am wishing really to

1277
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,040
consider for the next generation

1278
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,040
of young families. Please.

1279
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,040
>> Okay. If I can just touch on

1280
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,040
that quickly before you sit

1281
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,040
down, and then we will finish at

1282
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,040
that, it is debatable whether

1283
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,040
the single family home is gonna

1284
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,040
be accorded to a lot of people

1285
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,040
in the future. We are looking at

1286
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,040
the missing muddled duplexes,

1287
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,040
triplexes, because we are

1288
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,040
running out of space to build.

1289
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,000
So, it is tricky. And you can't

1290
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000
look at the single family

1291
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,000
dwelling as the future, the

1292
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000
solution for families. There has

1293
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000
to be other options for families

1294
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
as well.

1295
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,000
>> Okay, thank you.

1296
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,000
>> Thank you.

1297
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,000
>> Susan wiener?

1298
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000
>> Thank you very much --

1299
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,000
>> Thank you. I would like to

1300
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,000
thank, of course, all my

1301
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,000
colleagues, who have been

1302
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000
working hard on that budget with

1303
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,000
me. There is a lot of people

1304
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,000
involved and thank you to all my

1305
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,000
colleagues. Geneviève Lucien.

1306
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,000
- I was disappointed to hear the

1307
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,000
three-year plan doesn't have any

1308
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,000
money to purchase green spaces.

1309
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,000
But I am curious to know how

1310
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000
much the budget is considering

1311
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,000
any effects of climate change,

1312
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,000
or any issues the city might

1313
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,000
encounter with greater climate

1314
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
events that are happening in the

1315
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
future?

1316
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,000
>> Well, of course, we have to

1317
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,060
look at all the expenses. I'm

1318
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:07,060
gonna go back a few slides here.

1319
00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:10,060
If you look at all the slides

1320
00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:11,060
for the environment, or if you

1321
00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:12,060
look at all the expenses, either

1322
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:13,060
in transportation, environmental

1323
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:16,060
health. Pour l'environnement

1324
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:25,060
I will give you a direct

1325
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:27,060
example. A fleet of cars,

1326
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:30,060
electric cars, we are switching

1327
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:31,060
gradually to electric cars,

1328
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:34,060
okay? That is one example. We

1329
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:37,060
are also creating reserves for

1330
00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:40,060
additional costs due to climate

1331
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:42,060
change. So, we are working on

1332
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:43,060
that as well.

1333
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:45,060
>> Can you tell me more about

1334
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:46,060
that?

1335
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:47,060
>> Well, I'll give you an

1336
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,060
example. Last year when we had

1337
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:51,060
the ice storm, the ice storm,

1338
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:53,060
the cost for the city was almost

1339
00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:55,060
$1 million for the ice storm. We

1340
00:51:55,060 --> 00:52:00,020
were able to collect from the --

1341
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:09,020
CCU

1342
00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:14,020
so we are able to collect almost

1343
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:15,020
600,000 from them. But the cost

1344
00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:17,020
to the city was basically

1345
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:18,020
approximately $1 million.

1346
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:20,020
Therefore, we have to start

1347
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:23,020
planning about those unfortunate

1348
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:27,020
events, whether it's floods, ice

1349
00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:28,020
storms. We never know what's

1350
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:32,020
going to happen. Just look at

1351
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:34,020
today, instead of snow, we had a

1352
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:37,020
lot of rain. So, we don't know

1353
00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:39,020
what's going to happen. So

1354
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:40,020
therefore, we are starting to

1355
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:43,020
plan on those reserves,

1356
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:44,020
gradually.

1357
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:45,020
>> I think that is really wise

1358
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,020
especially that you are spending

1359
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:48,020
$1 million a year on

1360
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:49,020
refrigerated rink because we

1361
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:51,020
don't have old enough winters

1362
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:52,020
anymore. So, I'm interested to

1363
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:54,020
hear a lot more about how

1364
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:55,020
Pointe-Claire is going to work

1365
00:52:55,020 --> 00:52:57,020
on its climate resiliency,

1366
00:52:57,020 --> 00:52:59,020
especially with a big climate

1367
00:52:59,020 --> 00:53:00,080
events that we are gonna be

1368
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,080
encountering in the future. And

1369
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,080
I want to know in what part of

1370
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,080
the budget would protection of

1371
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,080
green spaces fit in? Would it

1372
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,080
fit in two -- environmental

1373
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,080
health -- Est-ce que ce serait

1374
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,080
loisir? Est-ce que ce serait

1375
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,080
urbanisme?

1376
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,080
- Ça se passe à plusieurs

1377
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,080
endroits. Est-ce qu'on crée de

1378
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,080
nouveaux parcs graduellement? Si

1379
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,080
vous regardez, historiquement,

1380
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,080
depuis quelques années, on a

1381
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,080
créé le parc Tony prout, qui est

1382
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,080
un petit par créer produire

1383
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,080
développement Walton. Mais au

1384
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,080
fur et à mesure, les autres

1385
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,080
preneurs, lorsqu'il y a des

1386
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,080
développements, les autres

1387
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,080
preneurs doivent contribuer au

1388
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,080
fonds parc et terrain de jeu.

1389
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,080
Chaque année, ce fonds-là, de

1390
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,080
parcs et de terrains de jeu, est

1391
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,080
utilisée pour soit aménager des

1392
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,080
nouveaux parcs ou tout

1393
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,080
simplement rénovés les parcs ou

1394
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,080
les équipements de parc que l'on

1395
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,080
a. Donc, à chaque année, et

1396
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,080
comme tantôt si je vous disais,

1397
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,040
on est en train de planifier,

1398
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,040
mais on va espérer avoir une

1399
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,040
subvention, pour faire à la

1400
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,040
fameuse piste cyclable près de

1401
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,040
(---)

1402
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,040
. Au fur et à mesure, on a fait

1403
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,040
ou on tente de développer

1404
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,040
d'autres terrains, d'autres

1405
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,040
espaces verts un peu partout au

1406
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,040
sein de la ville.

1407
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,040
- Je pense que ce serait super

1408
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,040
intéressant, surtout avec

1409
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,040
l'équipe de vulnérabilité qui

1410
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,040
vient de sortir avec la ville,

1411
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,040
on sait qu'il y a des secteurs

1412
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,040
qui sont plus vulnérables que

1413
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,040
les autres ça va coûter vraiment

1414
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,040
cher à la Ville de coûter...

1415
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,040
contre ces effets-là.

1416
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,040
- Mais juste pour compléter, ça

1417
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,040
se passe, comme je vous dis,

1418
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,040
aussi... bon, il y avait Travaux

1419
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,040
publics, horticulture, flore et

1420
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,040
culture, sport et loisirs. Il

1421
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,040
avait Parcs, ainsi de suite.

1422
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,040
Mais ça, ce sont différents

1423
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,040
exemples. S'

1424
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,040
- Il y avait moyen de trouver

1425
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,040
des subventions aussi pour ces

1426
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,040
choses-là.

1427
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,040
- On travaille toujours très

1428
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,040
fort là-dessus.

1429
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,040
- Ce serait super intéressant à

1430
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,040
savoir s'il y a des avancements

1431
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,040
dans cette direction-là. -- Let

1432
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,040
me pick up on that just for a

1433
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,040
second. The public works is

1434
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,000
interesting the way we manage

1435
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,000
our shoreline. It's not being

1436
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000
cut as much, it's been completed

1437
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,000
-- treated completely

1438
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,000
differently. You would use the

1439
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,000
heat of the water versus the

1440
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,000
shoreline, and we reduce the

1441
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,000
cutting. So there is less

1442
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,000
visibility. And so, we are

1443
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,000
getting some pushback on that.

1444
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,000
But environmentally, it's a

1445
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
sound one. And that is -- they

1446
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,000
have researched, and they did a

1447
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000
really good job. And just along

1448
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000
Drake, we are gonna have our own

1449
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
natural garden, if you want to

1450
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,000
say. We would like to go a

1451
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
little wilder and see if we can

1452
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000
enhance that area. So public

1453
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000
works have been doing their own

1454
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,000
thing in their own ways as well.

1455
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,000
It's kind of interesting.

1456
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000
>> Certainly, we know more wild

1457
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,000
spaces and natural spaces.

1458
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000
>> They're not all grass. Wild

1459
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,000
spaces should be grass.

1460
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,000
>> Grasses are not very great

1461
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000
for heat island, they do

1462
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,000
nothing. I'm just curious about

1463
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,000
the GICs, what money are you

1464
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,000
investing in the GICs, and are

1465
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
you using the returns from the

1466
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
previous year to gauge the next

1467
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,060
year, or the year -- like, is

1468
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:02,060
it, the GICs is renewables every

1469
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:04,060
year, two years, or --

1470
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:06,060
>> Some of them are six months,

1471
00:56:06,060 --> 00:56:08,060
some eight months, some ten

1472
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:10,060
months, it depends. Basically,

1473
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:12,060
what we do is that at the end of

1474
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:15,060
the year, when we have a

1475
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:16,060
surplus, we all look at the

1476
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:19,060
surplus to reserves. Those

1477
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:21,060
reserves will be huge eventually

1478
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:23,060
to reimburse the long term debt.

1479
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:25,060
But in the meantime, that money

1480
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:28,060
is invested in GICs, generating

1481
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:29,060
interest revenue.

1482
00:56:29,060 --> 00:56:32,060
>> Okay, okay, I got it. Thank

1483
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:33,060
you very much.

1484
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:36,060
>> My pleasure.

1485
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:38,060
- C'est tout pour la période de

1486
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:41,060
questions. The end of the

1487
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:43,060
questioning period --

1488
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:45,060
>> I would have a question

1489
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:50,060
because I think that -- was

1490
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:52,060
misinformed. I was surprised by

1491
00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:55,060
the 1 million dollar a year

1492
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:57,060
budget for ice rings. Can we ask

1493
00:56:57,060 --> 00:56:59,060
the staff?

1494
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:00,020
>> I would love that. It would

1495
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:01,020
be great.

1496
00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:03,020
>> Just to make sure that it

1497
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:06,020
does cost us 1 million.

1498
00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:09,020
- Je vais juste être... >> --

1499
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:11,020
May I?

1500
00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:12,020
>> Yes, absolutely. Monsieur

1501
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:16,020
Cousineau, le coût, suite au

1502
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:18,020
verglas de PAC l'année passée,

1503
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:19,020
ce qui est arrivé, c'est qu'il y

1504
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:22,020
a eu énormément d'arbres et de

1505
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:23,020
branches qui sont tombés. Donc,

1506
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:25,020
on a supporté énormément de

1507
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:30,020
coups. Les coûts pour ramasser

1508
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:34,020
toutes ces branches-là et

1509
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:35,020
ensuite l'entretien des arbres,

1510
00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:36,020
c'est ce que la Ville a dû

1511
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:38,020
surpris... supporter comme coup.

1512
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:39,020
- Ma question portait sur la

1513
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:41,020
ferme nation, le commentaire de

1514
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:44,020
madame Lucien qui disait que les

1515
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:45,020
patinoires réfrigérées nous

1516
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:48,020
coûtait 1 million par année. Je

1517
00:57:48,020 --> 00:57:49,020
ne sais pas combien ça coûte.

1518
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:50,020
- Excusez-moi, on ne parlait pas

1519
00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:52,020
du même millions, de toute

1520
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:53,020
évidence.

1521
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:54,020
(rires)

1522
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:55,020
- Merci.

1523
00:57:55,020 --> 00:57:56,020
(inaudible)

1524
00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:57,020
À cause des changements

1525
00:57:57,020 --> 00:58:00,080
climatiques, entre autres.

1526
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,080
- Désolé.

1527
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,080
- Non, c'est correct.

1528
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,080
- Pour répondre à la question,

1529
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,080
essentiellement, le coût de

1530
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,080
location pour chats patinoires

1531
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,080
extérieures réfléchirez est de

1532
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,080
176000. Donc, autant pour Valois

1533
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,080
que celui dans RCA Le Village.

1534
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,080
- À chaque année, c'est 176000

1535
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,080
chaque? Ça fait combien d'années

1536
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,080
qu'elles sont là?

1537
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,080
- C'est la troisième année.

1538
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,080
- O.K., Parfait. Désolé, je

1539
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,080
m'excuse...

1540
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,080
- Non, non.

1541
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,080
- On arrive dans le million.

1542
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,080
- On arrive à échéance, oui.

1543
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,080
Site, can I just qualify that?

1544
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,080
>> Absolutely.

1545
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,080
>> But, Jen, you do have to know

1546
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,080
there's a cost with all the

1547
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,080
rings. Whether they're

1548
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,080
refrigerated or not.

1549
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,080
>> The refrigeration part is --

1550
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,080
>> Yes.

1551
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,080
>> Because we're no longer

1552
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,080
having --

1553
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,080
>> Unfortunately.

1554
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,040
2024 budget of the City of

1555
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,040
Pointe-Claire.

1556
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,040
>> Do I have a move --

1557
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,040
>> Eric stark, district seven.

1558
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,040
>> All in favour? And, I guess

1559
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,040
it's closure? Foreclosure, do I

1560
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,040
have a mover?

1561
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,040
>> Proposed by Stainforth,

1562
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,040
district four.

1563
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,040
>> And seconded?

1564
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,040
>> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,

1565
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,040
district six.

1566
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,040
>> All in favour? So I believe

1567
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,040
we move directly to the next --

1568
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,040
or we don't take a break? Okay.

1569
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,000
- Alors, adoption de l'ordre du

1570
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,000
jour. Un.1.

1571
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,000
>> For the adoption of the

1572
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,000
agenda, do I have a mover?

1573
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,000
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

1574
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,000
>> Seconded?

1575
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,000
>> District to.

1576
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,000
>> On favour?

1577
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,000
Question period? - Période de

1578
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,000
questions.

1579
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,000
It has to be about the agenda

1580
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,000
we're speaking to.

1581
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:53,000
>> About the windmill? What

1582
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,000
exactly is going to be -- they

1583
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,000
decide already to go a hand? Or

1584
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,060
to argue about it?

1585
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:04,060
>> We are proposing a resolution

1586
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:07,060
to draft a bylaw they have the

1587
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:09,060
archdiocese apply for funding

1588
01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:13,060
from the city. And initiate a

1589
01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:14,060
process for the eventual

1590
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:17,060
reparation of the windmill, we

1591
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:19,060
hope.

1592
01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:23,060
>> I don't understand exactly. A

1593
01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:25,060
hand, or just negotiate?

1594
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:26,060
>> It's the beginning of a

1595
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:28,060
process. You're right. It's not

1596
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:29,060
a completed deal. It's the

1597
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:31,060
beginning of a funding process.

1598
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:32,060
>> Yeah, funding.

1599
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:34,060
>> That's being started.

1600
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:35,060
>> But they all agree about it?

1601
01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:37,060
>> We'll see, we're about to

1602
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:38,060
vote on it. We're about to pass

1603
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:39,060
the resolution, I believe we

1604
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:40,060
vote on it next meeting.

1605
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:42,060
>> Okay, thank you.

1606
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:46,060
>> Thank you.

1607
01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:47,060
- Cinq.1

1608
01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:48,060
(---)

1609
01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:49,060
décrétant l'imposition de la

1610
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:51,060
taxe foncière générale, les

1611
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:53,060
compensations pour mes tarifs

1612
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:54,060
services municipaux et les

1613
01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:57,060
tarifs municipaux figé pour

1614
01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:58,060
l'exercice financier 2024 suite

1615
01:01:58,060 --> 01:02:01,020
à l'adoption du budget 2024, ce

1616
01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:02,020
règlement a pour but d'établir

1617
01:02:02,020 --> 01:02:05,020
la taxe foncière, qui est imposé

1618
01:02:05,020 --> 01:02:06,020
sur tous les immeubles

1619
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:07,020
imposables, conformément à la

1620
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:09,020
Loi sur la fiscalité municipale.

1621
01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:14,020
Et comme Monsieur le Maire la

1622
01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:15,020
précisé en introduction, le

1623
01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:17,020
règlement sur la taxation sera

1624
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:19,020
adoptée lors d'une séance

1625
01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:21,020
spéciale ce mercredi à 19

1626
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:23,020
heures.

1627
01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:26,020
>> So, 5.1. Who gives this

1628
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:29,020
notice a motion?

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>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

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district 3.

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>> 5.2. Filing of a draft bylaw

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concerning the creation of a

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financial assistance program for

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the protection and -- built

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cultural heritage, which is a

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Pointe-Claire windmill. For

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maximum amount of $967,761. This

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by law enables the City to

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provide financial assistance to

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the owner of a heritage building

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as permitted by the cultural

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heritage Act.

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>> So I have a mover?

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>> There's no mover.

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>> Excuse me, yes. Who files

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this draft?

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>> Cousineau, district one.

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11.1,

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(---)

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entente avenir est Réseau

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métropolitain exo.

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(---)

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Délai de prescription. Il est

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donc dans l'intérêt des partis,

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donc de la ville de exo, de

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s'entendre pour une interruption

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du délai de prescription

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concernant toutes les sommes qui

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seraient dues entre elles ont

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relation avec les ententes pour

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le partage des responsabilités

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afférentes à l'entretien, aux

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travaux mineurs et aux travaux

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majeurs des trois gares couvrant

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la période du 1er janvier 2019

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au 31 mai 2023. L'interruption

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du délai de prescription sera en

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vigueur jusqu'au 31 mars 2024.

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>> Do I have a mover?

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>> Claude Cousineau, district 1.

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>> Executive

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>> Cowan, district 8.

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>> All in favour?

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>> Closure?

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>> Foreclosure, I have a mover?

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>> I propose closing the

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meeting. District 4.

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>> Seconded?

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>> District 6.

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>> On favour? Merci, tout le

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monde. Thanks, everybody.