[0:05] Chères citoyennes et chers
[0:07] citoyens, bonsoir et bienvenue à
[0:09] cette séance extraordinaire du
[0:11] 18 décembre. Veuillez noter que
[0:13] seules les questions qui
[0:14] concernent les points à l'ordre
[0:15] du jour seront acceptées. Juste
[0:18] avant de débuter cette séance
[0:21] j'aimerais vous rappeler
[0:23] quelques éléments. Nous avons
[0:25] une prochaine séance
[0:27] extraordinaire ce mercredi pour
[0:28] la taxation. Les bureaux
[0:32] administratifs seront fermés
[0:34] entre le 22 décembre et le 3
[0:35] janvier. Durant cette période
[0:39] nous offrons des activités
[0:41] sportives à l'aréna Bob Birnie
[0:42] et nous avons une exposition en
[0:44] cours au Stewart Hall. Et
[0:47] maintenant je vais vous donner
[0:49] les grandes lignes du budget
[0:50] 2024. Le budget 2024 de la Ville
[0:56] de Pointe-Claire passe de 173,2
[1:00] million de dollars à 181,5
[1:03] million de dollars, ce qui
[1:05] représente une différence de 8,3
[1:10] million ou 4,8%. Le principal
[1:15] facteur attribuable à cette
[1:16] hausse est la quote-part de
[1:19] l'agglomération de Montréal
[1:21] imputé à Pointe-Claire qui est à
[1:23] nouveau en croissance de 5
[1:26] million, notre quote-part totale
[1:30] s'élève maintenant à 85
[1:31] millions. En ce qui concerne les
[1:35] dépenses opérationnelles la
[1:36] hausse est principalement liée à
[1:40] l'augmentation des coûts des
[1:41] contrats, notamment en matière
[1:45] de déneigement, de gestion des
[1:47] matières résiduelles, de frais
[1:49] d'entretien des bâtiments et de
[1:50] la masse salariale. Alors que le
[1:56] pourcentage d'augmentation des
[1:57] taxes municipales était de 5,9%
[2:01] en 2023, il sera de 3,9% en
[2:04] 2024, ce qui représente une
[2:08] différence de 158$ sur le compte
[2:11] de taxes pour une maison de
[2:12] valeur moyenne. Just before we
[2:15] start this special meeting, I'd
[2:18] like to make a few reminders. We
[2:20] have a special tax meeting this
[2:21] Wednesday. The administrative
[2:22] offices will be closed between
[2:23] December 22 and January 3rd.
[2:28] During this period, we will be
[2:29] offering sports activities at
[2:31] the Bob Birnie arena, and we
[2:33] have an exhibition on display at
[2:34] Stewart Hall. And now I will
[2:35] give you the budget highlights.
[2:39] The 2024 budget for the City of
[2:41] Pointe-Claire increases from
[2:42] $173.2 million to $181.5
[2:45] million, which represents a
[2:49] difference of $8.3 million or
[2:51] 4.8%. Several factors contribute
[2:53] to this increase, the main one
[2:55] being the share of the Montreal
[2:58] agglomeration allocated to
[2:59] Pointe-Claire, which is once
[3:00] again up by $5 million. Our
[3:02] total share is now 85 million.
[3:07] This growth in operating
[3:09] expenses is primarily due to
[3:11] higher contract costs, notably
[3:13] for snow removal, waste
[3:14] management, building maintenance
[3:16] and payroll. While the
[3:18] percentage increase in municipal
[3:19] taxes was 5.9% in 2023, it will
[3:24] be 3.9% in 2024, which
[3:27] represents a difference
[3:32] of $158 on the tax bill for an
[3:34] average household. Every effort
[3:36] is made to ensure responsible
[3:38] and rigorous management of
[3:39] expenses under the control of
[3:40] the municipal administration. Je
[3:43] suis particulièrement fier du
[3:45] travail accompli dans l'exercice
[3:47] budgétaire 2024. Notre plan
[3:49] stratégique nous a servi de
[3:52] guide dans la gestion des
[3:55] dépenses qui sont sous notre
[3:56] contrôle, ce qui nous permet
[4:01] d'affirmer que nous avons un
[4:03] budget équilibré et responsable,
[4:05] à l'aide duquel nous pourrons
[4:07] atteindre les objectifs que nous
[4:08] nous sommes fixés. Every dollar
[4:11] invested contributes to the
[4:13] responsible development of our
[4:14] community, while helping to
[4:15] preserve the unique character of
[4:16] our city and, above all, the
[4:18] quality of our living
[4:19] environment. We know that every
[4:21] dollar increase will require
[4:22] additional efforts from all of
[4:23] us. Thank you for your attention
[4:25] . Merci beaucoup. Madame
[4:31] Thibault.
[4:37] Adoption of the agenda.
[4:41] >> Seconded --
[4:44] >> District six.
[4:46] >> All in favour?
[4:49] Alors, maintenant, je pense
[4:51] qu'on a une présentation de
[4:55] monsieur Daniel Séguin.
[4:56] >> The question period will be
[4:57] after the presentation.
[5:01] >> Thank you, Mister Mayor. -
[5:04] Bonsoir. Good evening. Tonight,
[5:09] I'm gonna flip from French to
[5:10] English throughout the
[5:11] presentation. On va commencer
[5:12] par regarder ensemble le budget
[5:14] de fonctionnement. On va avoir
[5:16] un bref rappel sur le budget
[5:18] d'immobilisation. On va,
[5:19] naturellement, couvrir aussi le
[5:21] service de la dette et, à la
[5:23] toute fin, on va vous parler des
[5:25] augmentations au compte de taxes
[5:26] qui seront en moyenne de 3,9%.
[5:29] Tonight, we are gonna look at
[5:30] the operating budget, the
[5:32] capital budget. We are gonna
[5:33] look at the debt service, and of
[5:35] course, the property taxes. Le
[5:41] budget de fonctionnement des
[5:42] moins 23 était de 173 vers
[5:44] quelques millions. L'année
[5:46] prochaine, rendez-vous à 24, le
[5:47] budget sera de 181,5 millions.
[5:49] C'est une augmentation de 8,3
[5:51] millions, soit 4,8%. Comme
[5:54] monsieur le maire vient de
[5:55] l'expliquer, la majeure partie
[5:56] de l'augmentation, soit 5
[5:59] millions, provient de
[6:00] l'augmentation de la quote-part
[6:02] de l'agglomération de Montréal.
[6:04] La différence, le 3 millions
[6:07] d'écart, provient des
[6:09] augmentations de coûts qui sont
[6:11] contrôlés par nous directement
[6:12] ici à Pointe-Claire. The
[6:17] operating budget in 2023 was
[6:20] 173.2 million. In 2024, the
[6:23] budget will be 181.5 million,
[6:25] which is an increase of 8.3
[6:27] million, or 4.8%. The main --
[6:31] the major factor that is
[6:33] bringing this increase of 8.3 is
[6:35] the increase in the -- which is
[6:38] 5 million. The rest are expenses
[6:43] directly controlled by
[6:46] Pointe-Claire. On va regarder du
[6:48] côté des revenus pour commencer.
[6:52] Les revenus du côté de la
[6:53] taxation en 2024 seront de 161,5
[6:57] millions, soit une augmentation
[6:58] de 4,2%. Ça provient
[7:01] principalement de l'augmentation
[7:02] de la taxe foncière et de la
[7:04] taxe d'eau. Les services rendus,
[7:08] ce sont principalement des
[7:09] abonnements, par exemple au
[7:10] centre aquatique, et les
[7:12] différents services que l'on va
[7:13] à la population. Le budget pour
[7:14] l'année prochaine est très
[7:16] similaire, soit de l'ordre de 6
[7:19] millions. Donc à peu près pas
[7:20] d'augmentation de ce côté-là.
[7:22] Imposition de droit, ça, ce sont
[7:24] principalement les droits de
[7:25] mutations ainsi que les permis
[7:26] de construction. De ce côté-ci,
[7:29] il y a une augmentation de... on
[7:32] sera à 6,4 millions l'année
[7:34] prochaine. C'est une
[7:35] augmentation de 6,4%. C'est
[7:37] principalement les permis de
[7:39] construction qui augmente
[7:41] quelque peu. Paiement tenant
[7:45] lieu de taxes, ça, ce sont les
[7:46] taxes que l'on perçoit,
[7:48] principalement pour tout ce qui
[7:49] est les écoles ainsi que
[7:50] l'hôpital. Donc, il y a un
[7:53] ajustement. Le 1,7 millions,
[7:55] l'année prochaine, on voit une
[7:56] baisse. Mais dans le fond, ce
[7:58] qui est arrivé, c'est qu'on a
[8:00] ajusté le budget, tout
[8:01] simplement, aux réelles. Le réel
[8:03] 2023 est un peu plus bas que le
[8:05] budget et on s'est rajusté tout
[8:07] simplement. Ce n'est pas une
[8:08] diminution de revenus, c'est
[8:09] tout simplement qu'ici ils y
[8:12] avaient... le budget était
[8:13] surévalué. Au niveau des
[8:16] transferts, ça, ce sont
[8:18] principalement les subventions
[8:19] que l'on touche au cours de
[8:21] l'année. Les subventions ou les
[8:24] transferts seront légèrement à
[8:25] la hausse d'environ 100000
[8:28] dollars ou de 7,7%. Du côté des
[8:31] intérêts et pénalité, on voit
[8:33] une forte hausse. On sera à 2,9
[8:36] millions. Les revenus augmentent
[8:37] substantiellement de ce côté-ci.
[8:38] C'est principalement les revenus
[8:41] d'intérêt que l'on touche
[8:42] maintenant. Les taux d'intérêt
[8:43] ont augmenté de façon
[8:46] significative au cours des
[8:47] derniers mois et, heureusement,
[8:48] on a des placements. Donc, les
[8:51] placements ont
[8:54] (---)
[8:55] à des nouveaux taux, les taux
[8:56] d'intérêt significativement
[8:59] augmentés nous génère des
[9:01] revenus supplémentaires. À mon
[9:02] des pénalités. De ce côté-ci, à
[9:04] peu près pas le changement. Du
[9:08] côté des autres revenus, c'est
[9:10] négligeable. Où va votre dès
[9:13] lors de l'accession? Pour chaque
[9:15] dollar que la Ville de
[9:17] Pointe-Claire. -- The question
[9:19] period will be after -- I will
[9:22] switch in a few seconds. Okay?
[9:44] Pour la sécurité publique, ces
[9:45] deux sous-. Pour le transport,
[9:47] ça, c'est principalement le
[9:48] transport de neige et ainsi de
[9:49] suite, c'est huit sous.
[9:50] L'hygiène du milieu, quatre
[9:52] sous. L'organisme, un sous-.
[9:55] Loisirs et culture, 12 sous.
[9:57] Pour l'entretien des véhicules,
[9:59] un sous-. L'entretien des
[10:00] édifices, cinq sous. Et
[10:02] finalement, le service de la
[10:03] dette, trois sous. Donc, je le
[10:05] répète, ça, c'est une façon de
[10:08] visualiser ou va chacun de vos
[10:09] dollars de taxation qui sont
[10:11] perçus par la Ville de
[10:12] Pointe-Claire. Du côté des
[10:19] dépenses, au niveau du budget de
[10:21] fonctionnement, comme je vous le
[10:22] disais, il y a une forte hausse
[10:23] du côté de la quote-part, soit 5
[10:27] millions, soit 6,4%. Culture,
[10:30] sport et loisirs, il y a une
[10:32] augmentation de 2%. C'est à
[10:35] peine 400000 dollars. Du côté
[10:38] des... du transport, c'est une
[10:40] augmentation de 11,4%. On sera à
[10:43] 16,8 millions l'année prochaine.
[10:46] Au niveau de l'administration
[10:47] générale, une augmentation de
[10:50] 5,9%. On sera à 15,7 millions
[10:52] l'année prochaine. L'entretien
[10:54] des bâtiments, on sera à 11,2
[10:57] millions, soit une augmentation
[10:58] de tout près de 12%. Pour
[11:01] l'hygiène du milieu, on sera à
[11:02] 7,6 millions environ, soit une
[11:05] augmentation de 5,8. Les frais
[11:08] de financement, heureusement, il
[11:10] y a une baisse. On baisse
[11:12] d'environ 500000 dollars. Vous
[11:13] allez voir dans quelques minutes
[11:15] que le service de la dette
[11:16] baisse. Donc, par conséquent, il
[11:18] y a moins de dépenses de ce
[11:19] côté-ci. Une baisse de 19%. Tous
[11:22] les coûts pour la sécurité
[11:24] publique augmente et elle sera à
[11:26] peu près 400000 de plus l'année
[11:29] prochaine à 4,1 millions, soit
[11:32] 9,1%. Pour l'urbanisme, les
[11:34] chiffres sont relativement
[11:37] similaires en dollars, mais en
[11:38] pourcentage, c'est 6,5. Pour les
[11:41] véhicules, on parle de 2,8
[11:42] millions à 3 millions, soit une
[11:44] augmentation de 7,8%. Et
[11:47] finalement, pour les
[11:48] financements et affectations, il
[11:49] y a une baisse de 20% de ce
[11:52] côté-ci. Voici une
[11:56] représentation graphique Aaron
[11:59] de où les dépenses sont faites
[12:04] maintenant par Service, par
[12:06] direction. Là, cette fois-ci, la
[12:09] représentation est sur le budget
[12:10] total. Tantôt, je vous
[12:12] présentais la représentation de
[12:13] où allaient 1 dollar de
[12:15] taxation, c'est-à-dire pour les
[12:16] 160 millions. Ici, c'est le
[12:18] budget global des dépenses.
[12:20] Donc, il y a 51% qui vont
[12:23] directement pour les paiements
[12:24] de quote-part, fin de
[12:26] financement, affectations et
[12:28] réserve. Pour le conseil et la
[12:30] direction générale, c'est 1% du
[12:32] budget. Pour les finances, c'est
[12:35] 5%. Les affaires juridiques,
[12:36] c'est 1%. Les communications,
[12:38] c'est 1%. Les arrachent, on est
[12:40] à 2%. Inspections et sécurité
[12:44] publique, nous sommes à 2%.
[12:47] Travaux publics, immeubles et
[12:48] équipements, 23%. L'ingénierie a
[12:52] 2%, le urbanisme a deux. Et
[12:55] finalement, culture, sports
[12:57] loisirs, 10%. Now, in English,
[13:01] okay? The revenues, okay?
[13:05] Taxation revenues will increase
[13:09] from 154.9 million to 161
[13:12] million. That's an increase of
[13:15] 4.2%. Services provided, those
[13:17] are mainly all the services that
[13:19] we render to all the citizens,
[13:22] such as the aquatic center. So,
[13:28] basically, there is no increase
[13:31] on this section. Imposition of
[13:34] duties, that is basically the
[13:36] welcome tax and the construction
[13:38] permit. There is an increase of
[13:40] roughly 400,000, or an increase
[13:42] of 6.4%. Paiement tenant lieu de
[13:48] taxes Those are the taxes that
[13:49] we collect for the schools and
[13:51] the hospital. So, there is an
[13:54] adjustment. That adjustment is
[13:56] basically to reflect the actual.
[13:58] We were over budgeted in 2023.
[14:01] Transfers, that was basically
[14:03] the grants that we get from
[14:06] mostly the provincial
[14:07] government. There is an increase
[14:08] of roughly 400,000 or 7.7%.
[14:13] Increase, interest in penalties,
[14:14] a big increase due to the fact
[14:16] that the money in the bank
[14:18] generates the interests have
[14:21] increase significantly this
[14:23] year. So, therefore, we are
[14:26] lucky. We have the
[14:36] JICs in English, thank you. That
[14:39] is a major increase in 2024. For
[14:42] finds, the amounts are quite
[14:44] similar. And the same thing for
[14:46] other income. So, where does
[14:48] your taxation dollar go? 54%, or
[14:55] 54 cents of every taxation
[14:57] dollar that we collect is
[15:00] remitted to the adult. And after
[15:03] that, there is two cents for the
[15:06] investments, eight cents for
[15:08] administration, two cents for
[15:09] Public Security, eight cents for
[15:12] transportation, four cents for
[15:13] the environment -- one cent for
[15:17] urban planning, culture, sports,
[15:18] and leisure, 12 cents, cars and
[15:19] trucks, 12%, the public
[15:20] buildings, Mayor's public
[15:21] buildings, 5%. Les jeunes du
[15:22] milieu
[15:30] And that repayment, 3%. So, that
[15:33] is how the taxation dollar is
[15:35] paid. That is basically, just to
[15:37] come back, that is the -- the
[15:41] 161 million, where does it go.
[15:47] In a minute, we are gonna look
[15:48] at the expenses, but the total
[15:50] expenses. Now, the expenses, as
[15:53] I said, major increase in the --
[15:58] roughly 5 million, that's an
[15:59] increase of 6.4 million. And you
[16:01] are gonna see the rest in
[16:03] dollars, there is an increase of
[16:05] only three for all the expenses
[16:07] controlled by Pointe-Claire but
[16:09] 5 million for the -- so cultures
[16:15] sports and leisure, increase of
[16:16] roughly 400,000 or 2%.
[16:19] Transportation, we are gonna be
[16:20] at 16.8 million, an increase of
[16:24] 11.4%. Admin, we are gonna be at
[16:29] 15.7, an increase of 5.9.
[16:33] Building, the maintenance for
[16:34] buildings is gonna be at 11.2,
[16:37] an increase of 11.7%.
[16:42] L'environnement, l'hygiène du
[16:43] milieu It's gonna be an increase
[16:44] of roughly 400,000 or 5.8%.
[16:48] Financing costs, they are
[16:51] decreasing because we're gonna
[16:52] see in a few minutes that the
[16:53] long term debt is decreasing,
[16:55] therefore the expenses are
[16:57] decreasing. The cost for Public
[16:59] Security, an increase of roughly
[17:02] 400,000, or 9.1%. Urban
[17:05] planning, an increase of roughly
[17:08] 100,000, or 6.5%. For the fleet
[17:11] of cars and trucks, the budget
[17:13] will be at 3 million, 7.8%. And
[17:17] finally, the expenses for
[17:21] financing allocations are
[17:23] decreasing by almost 20%. So,
[17:28] this is the graphic view of how,
[17:32] where the money goes by
[17:34] direction. So, of course, to
[17:36] start off with a 51%, it goes to
[17:39] the quote-part for the, well,
[17:42] the agglo. And then for City
[17:44] Council and city manager's
[17:45] office, 1%. Finance, 5%. Legal
[17:50] affairs, 1%. Communications,
[17:53] one. HR, 2%. Public security,
[17:57] 2%. Public works, buildings, and
[17:59] equipment, 23%. Engineering, 2%.
[18:03] Urban planning, 2% as well. And
[18:05] finally, culture, sports, and
[18:07] leisure, 10%. Just a quick
[18:12] reminder about the -- En
[18:16] français, le budget
[18:18] d'immobilisation où notre PTI,
[18:20] notre programme triennal
[18:22] d'investissement, a été présenté
[18:23] en novembre. On a
[18:25] essentiellement présenté ces
[18:26] montants-là, ce budget-là du PTI
[18:28] de notre programme
[18:30] d'investissement a été adopté.
[18:32] Mais juste un rappel rapide
[18:33] qu'il y aura différents projets
[18:35] pour une somme totale de 35,4
[18:38] millions. Les projets les plus
[18:40] importants seront la réfection
[18:42] de la rue Monterey, Bellerive
[18:45] en. On va avoir Saunders et on
[18:46] va avoir une trop. On va avoir
[18:48] des travaux importants aussi aux
[18:51] échangeurs de l'autoroute 20 et
[18:53] des sources et des services
[18:56] professionnels importants pour
[18:58] étudier la réflexion de
[18:59] l'échangeur Saint-Jean et de la
[19:01] 40. Du côté des parcs, il y aura
[19:03] des réflexions de terrain de
[19:07] tennis, et incorpore
[19:10] (---)
[19:11] possiblement également une piste
[19:13] cyclable près de
[19:14] (---)
[19:15] six et seulement si on est
[19:16] capable d'avoir une subvention.
[19:19] Finalement, il y aura différents
[19:21] remplacement d'équipements, que
[19:22] ce soit pour les véhicules
[19:24] équipements informatiques. Un
[19:28] programme d'investissement se
[19:29] doit d'être également financées.
[19:31] Le financement sera
[19:33] principalement les règlements
[19:35] d'emprunts à l'ensemble du
[19:38] territoire. Il y aura un 15% qui
[19:39] proviendra des réserves et,
[19:41] finalement, un 3% qui proviendra
[19:43] du fond de parc et terrain de
[19:44] jeu. On a un aperçu... on fait
[19:48] toujours une planification 50,
[19:50] et si je ne vous présente que 3
[19:52] ans, mais je vous ai présenté
[19:55] notre niveau de certitude et de
[19:57] confort pour 2024 est élevé.
[20:00] Naturellement, plus on s'éloigne
[20:01] dans le temps, moins le degré de
[20:03] précision est important. Et je
[20:06] dois cependant vous rappeler que
[20:07] les montants que vous voyez ici
[20:08] sont significatifs pour 2025 et
[20:12] 2026, mais ces montants-là
[20:13] seront toujours... il y aura
[20:16] toujours un important travail de
[20:18] priorisation qui sera fait et
[20:20] qui devra être adaptée en
[20:22] fonction dans la capacité de
[20:23] payer des citoyens. In November,
[20:27] we adopted our CIPà land, that
[20:32] is our three-year program that
[20:34] we adopted if I'm not mistaken.
[20:36] In general, there's gonna be
[20:38] major projects for the streets,
[20:42] Monterrey, Millhaven, Sunday
[20:44] all, Winthrop. We're also gonna
[20:50] have work to finish at the -- 20
[20:57] and sources. There's also gonna
[20:59] be a tiny important cost
[21:01] regarding the planning for the
[21:04] intersection of the Santa and
[21:07] the 40. And for the parts of
[21:11] green spaces, we are planning on
[21:13] doing the tennis and pickleball
[21:16] at the Northview Park. We also
[21:19] have a grant to build a new bike
[21:22] path, bike path in the -- and
[21:26] the rest, there is also
[21:28] replacement for fleet, cars, and
[21:32] that equipment. CIP has to be
[21:36] financed, and of course, most of
[21:37] the financing will come from
[21:40] borrowing bylaws, 82%. 15% will
[21:43] come from reserves, and 3% will
[21:45] be from the parks and playground
[21:48] funds. As I said in French,
[21:53] there are significant -- amounts
[21:56] for the future years but of
[21:58] course, this will have to be
[22:01] prioritized according to the
[22:03] citizens capacity to pay and the
[22:06] potential for completion. La
[22:11] date à long terme. On a commencé
[22:14] l'année 2023 à 104,4 millions.
[22:16] On a eu des remboursements de
[22:17] capital de 19 millions. Cette
[22:21] année, on est heureux de vous
[22:23] apprendre que, pour la deuxième
[22:25] année consécutive, il n'y a eu
[22:27] aucun nouvel emprunt, ce qui
[22:28] fait qu'on termine l'année à
[22:30] 85,4 millions. Ce qui est
[22:34] planifié pour des 1024. On va
[22:38] ouvrir... notre seule de
[22:40] fermeture devient
[22:42] (---)
[22:43] notre seule d'ouverture de 2024.
[22:44] En 84,5 millions, on va
[22:46] rembourser les tranches de
[22:48] capital pour un total de 18,5
[22:51] millions et on aura possiblement
[22:53] des emprunts d'un maximum de 5
[22:56] millions. Ce 5 millions-là, pour
[22:57] le moment, s'il doit être
[22:59] réalisé, ce sera à la toute fin
[23:01] de l'année 2024. Donc, on espère
[23:03] que 2024 sera la troisième année
[23:07] consécutive où la Ville de
[23:08] Pointe-Claire n'aura pas à
[23:11] négocier de nouveaux
[23:12] financements. Long term debt, we
[23:16] started the year at 104.4
[23:19] million. We have reimbursed
[23:21] capital repayments of 19
[23:23] million. We did not contract any
[23:25] additional long-term debt. So we
[23:27] are ending the year at 85.4
[23:30] million. That becomes our
[23:31] opening balance. In 2024, we
[23:34] will reimburse capital
[23:36] repayments of 18.5 million.
[23:38] Hopefully, we won't have to
[23:41] negotiate new financing. But if
[23:43] we do have to do that, it will
[23:45] be only at the end of 2024, and
[23:48] it will be only in the month,
[23:51] amount of 5 million. Therefore,
[23:53] hopefully, this amount of 71.9
[23:56] million will be the -- the
[24:00] balance will be lower than that
[24:01] if we don't negotiate the 5
[24:04] million. Les taux de taxation.
[24:08] Comme monsieur Lemaire l'a
[24:09] annoncé plus tôt, tout ce qui
[24:11] est résidentiel sera à 3,9%. Ce
[24:16] sera la même chose pour la
[24:18] catégorie des immeubles de six
[24:20] logements et plus. Pour les
[24:22] immeubles commerciaux, la
[24:24] première tranche d'1 million
[24:26] sera également à 3,9%. Les
[24:30] immeubles commerciaux, la
[24:32] tranche excédant 1 million, ce
[24:33] sera à 4,5% d'augmentation. Les
[24:38] immeubles industriels, ce sera à
[24:41] 3,9%. Vous voyez les taux, mais
[24:42] je vous donne les pourcentages
[24:44] et on va regarder, dans quelques
[24:46] instants, une résidence
[24:47] moyennant Pointe-Claire. Les
[24:49] terrains vagues, c'est la même
[24:50] chose, c'est une augmentation de
[24:53] 3,9%. Et finalement, la
[24:55] tarification de l'eau passera de
[24:57] 1,11 dollars par mètre cube à
[25:03] 1,22 dollars du mètre cube. Je
[25:08] vais juste vous rappeler que
[25:11] nous sommes à l'année un rôle
[25:13] triennal de 3 ans. Donc, ce que
[25:16] ça veut dire, c'est qu'à la fin
[25:18] 2022, au 1er janvier, il y a eu
[25:20] un rôle triennal... le service
[25:23] d'évaluation foncière de la
[25:24] Ville de Montréal nous soumet un
[25:25] nouveau rôle. Ce nouveau rôle là
[25:28] est venu en effet au 1er janvier
[25:31] 2023. En général, les
[25:35] résidentes, tout ce qui est
[25:37] résidentielle, l'augmentation
[25:38] moyenne était de 42% de 2022 à
[25:43] 2023. Puisqu'on a un rôle
[25:45] triennal pour les années 2023,
[25:47] 2024 et 2025, la valeur des
[25:50] maisons restent stables. Je vous
[25:52] rappelle que la valeur des
[25:54] maisons, de 2022 à 2023, il y a
[25:57] eu grosso modo une augmentation
[25:58] d'environ 200000, ou 42%. Donc,
[26:02] on a dû réajuster les taux à la
[26:05] baisse pour ajuster le compte de
[26:08] taxes. Là, en 2024, la valeur
[26:11] moyenne reste stable parce que
[26:13] le rôle triennal reste fixe
[26:14] pendant 3 ans. Ce qu'on fait,
[26:18] c'est plutôt des ajustements de
[26:19] taux. Donc, le taux passe de
[26:24] 0,26 à 0,62, 61, soit 2,35 sous
[26:28] par tranche de
[26:30] (---)
[26:31] dollars, ce qui veut dire une
[26:32] augmentation du compte de taxes
[26:33] de 158 dollars ou 3,9%. The
[26:42] rates, the property tax rates in
[26:44] 2024, you have the numbers here.
[26:47] But they are all increases of
[26:50] 3.9%, except for commercial
[26:52] buildings for the portion above
[26:53] 1 million. In this category, the
[26:56] increase will be 4.5%. But for
[26:59] all the other categories, it's
[27:01] going to be an increase of 3.9%.
[27:03] We are gonna look at the --
[27:07] residents. As I was saying in
[27:09] French, we are at the beginning
[27:11] -- we are in the first year of
[27:12] the assessment role. Le service
[27:15] d'évaluation foncière de
[27:16] Montréal Gives us an assessment
[27:18] role every three years. Last
[27:20] year, we obtained a new
[27:22] assessment role, and there was a
[27:23] major increase in the value of
[27:25] all the residences in
[27:27] Pointe-Claire. But now, the
[27:29] value of our houses is now
[27:32] stable, and it will stay stable
[27:34] for 2023, 2024, and 2025. The
[27:38] major increase last year was an
[27:40] increase in value. We had to
[27:42] decrease the rates. So, last
[27:44] year, they increase in taxes was
[27:46] in general 5.9%, if and only if,
[27:50] you were on the average. And as
[27:52] I was explaining, some people
[27:54] had greater increases in value,
[27:57] more than 42%. Therefore, the
[28:00] taxation rate has to be -- the
[28:04] same for all citizens. But the
[28:06] value of some houses has
[28:08] increased by 50% instead of 42%.
[28:11] Therefore, you are being hit by,
[28:13] in some cases, additional -- in
[28:17] some cases, yes. But for 2024,
[28:22] the value of the houses, the
[28:24] average house, the value stays
[28:27] the same. And it will stay the
[28:28] same for the next three years,
[28:31] 2024, 2025 -- well, it was, the
[28:35] new value was for 2023, 2024,
[28:39] 2025. So, therefore, there is
[28:41] only an adjustment in the rate.
[28:43] The rate increases by 0.6, 26 to
[28:49] 0.2 60 to 61. So that is an
[28:51] increase of 3.9% in the rate
[28:53] because the value of the houses
[28:55] has not increased. So the tax
[28:57] bill will increase for the
[28:59] average house from 4063 to 4221,
[29:03] or $158, or 3.9%. There is an
[29:10] annex one, and next to. But
[29:13] basically the annex one, and
[29:14] next to, it's basically the same
[29:16] thing. Revenue, expenses, long
[29:18] term debt, those are the same
[29:20] number in the annexes, depending
[29:23] on if you look at the
[29:25] presentation for the expenses.
[29:31] Now, --
[29:34] - Période des questions. >> I
[29:39] will gladly answer any
[29:41] questions. Lynn Conway.
[29:47] >> Good evening. Good evening,
[29:49] Council. I don't know where to
[29:51] start. Last evaluation, last tax
[29:53] bill, I am paying $600 more in
[29:56] taxes. And my background is
[29:58] accounting. So, I find this
[30:00] interesting. I have a question,
[30:03] though, for the long term debt.
[30:09] Is everything included in the
[30:10] long term debt this year,
[30:12] because last year, at the end of
[30:15] the meeting, that whip said
[30:17] there was a separate long term
[30:18] debt with the agglo.
[30:20] >> The agglo --
[30:21] >> Use that all included this
[30:23] time?
[30:24] >> This is the long term debt
[30:25] controlled by Pointe-Claire. The
[30:27] agglo also contracts long term
[30:32] debts.
[30:33] >> It's only that we had the
[30:34] long term debt, but the agglo --
[30:36] we have a chair.
[30:38] >> The agglo itself, okay,
[30:41] transfers portions of long term
[30:44] debt to Montréal and all 15
[30:49] cities. But the debt of the
[30:51] agglo is not controlled by us.
[30:53] It's controlled by the agglo.
[30:55] But someone has to account for
[30:58] it. Therefore, they tell us how
[31:00] much long term debt of the agglo
[31:02] is transferred to Pointe-Claire.
[31:04] >> But I think, Linda was
[31:07] talking about last year, when we
[31:09] emerged from Montréal, they gave
[31:13] us a debt that we had to repay
[31:15] them.
[31:16] >> That's part of the agglo long
[31:19] term debt. This debt is the debt
[31:22] controlled by this council,
[31:25] whenever we negotiate warring
[31:29] bylaws, this is what we control,
[31:31] and this is what we borrow, and
[31:33] this is what we report, because
[31:36] we control of that. The agglo
[31:38] also makes borrowing bylaws.
[31:43] They add them up. And they carry
[31:47] the long term debt at the same
[31:49] way they distribute the long
[31:50] term costs. That is why, in our
[31:53] quote-part, we take part of the
[31:55] expenses of the agglo. And we
[31:56] also take part of the long term
[31:58] debt of the agglo. But I'm
[32:01] presenting only the debt that is
[32:02] in our books. So, it's only the
[32:05] debt that we control.
[32:07] >> Okay, and we have
[32:10] investments.
[32:11] >> Yes --
[32:12] >> So, we are collecting money
[32:14] on our investment which might
[32:17] pay -- we might get, like, a
[32:19] smaller percentage interest. But
[32:22] then, we borrow money where we
[32:24] will pay more interest.
[32:26] >> Well, that's why I hope that
[32:30] for the third year in a row, in
[32:33] 2024, as I was saying,
[32:35] hopefully, we won't borrow any
[32:37] money because, yes, we have GICs
[32:43] yes, we make interest on them,
[32:45] and hopefully, our cash position
[32:47] is favourable right now.
[32:49] Therefore, we don't have to
[32:50] increase our long-term debt
[32:52] because although money is in the
[32:53] bank right now and we are
[32:55] collecting interest on it.
[32:57] >> But why don't we use the --
[33:01] our assets, the GICs, to pay our
[33:06] long-term debt.
[33:08] >> That is what we are doing
[33:10] gradually. As you can see, there
[33:12] are important capital
[33:14] repayments, okay? So, we do have
[33:17] reserves. So, when the capital
[33:19] repayments become due, we use
[33:22] those reserves to pay the
[33:25] long-term debt. But they will
[33:27] have to become do you because
[33:30] they were negotiated a few years
[33:33] ago, but in general, the long
[33:35] term debt, whenever we borrow
[33:36] money, it's over a 20-year
[33:39] period. So there are capital
[33:42] portions that are offered to be
[33:44] refinanced every five years. And
[33:46] that is why we have reserves.
[33:48] So, basically we have money in
[33:50] the bank account to reimburse
[33:53] any one refinancing that becomes
[33:57] due.
[33:58] >> Okay, and it's spread out --
[34:00] >> It's spread out over a long
[34:02] period of time.
[34:03] >> When we come to that meetings
[34:04] every month, in the agenda, I
[34:07] always see there is items where
[34:12] there is borrowing involved.
[34:13] Here, it is written, new
[34:16] financing, zero. In December, it
[34:17] was maybe at 500,000. November,
[34:20] 2.1 million. There's always some
[34:22] type of borrowing.
[34:24] >> We do negotiate borrowing
[34:27] bylaws. It doesn't mean that we
[34:28] use them. Every time we present
[34:33] a CIP program, a capital
[34:35] investment program, the program
[34:36] has to be financed. How it's
[34:39] financed? By negotiating the
[34:42] burrowing bylaws. Those are just
[34:45] the burrowing bylaws that are
[34:47] negotiated, but it doesn't mean
[34:49] that we do actually use them. It
[34:52] is like negotiating a line of
[34:54] credit with the bank. We
[34:56] negotiate the line of credit,
[34:58] but it's offered to us, but we
[35:00] try not to use it. That's why
[35:03] here, I say, okay, we are gonna
[35:06] have major renovation, major
[35:10] construction projects, but we
[35:12] are trying to pay them with the
[35:13] money that we have in the band,
[35:15] and not use that minor credit.
[35:18] >> Okay, I'm just trying to
[35:20] understand why they would put it
[35:21] in the agenda meeting --
[35:26] >> -- There is an obligation for
[35:27] all municipalities to present
[35:28] that capital investment program
[35:29] and to finance the capital
[35:30] investment program.
[35:31] Le ministère des Finances, le
[35:32] ministère des Affaires
[35:33] municipales
[35:40] >> So it might mean that there
[35:42] is no borrowing going on but
[35:44] it's not actually --
[35:45] >> It's not being used. That's
[35:48] why I compare that to the line
[35:50] of credit. You negotiate a line
[35:51] of credit, if you don't use it,
[35:53] it doesn't cost you anything. If
[35:55] you use it, then you pay
[35:56] interest on it.
[35:57] >> What I thought was
[35:58] interesting also is we are
[36:00] budget is increasing by 4.2%
[36:03] because they agglo increased
[36:06] taxes by 5.9% -- I am paying
[36:12] 16.5% more taxes. I'm wondering,
[36:15] my evaluation went up by 44%.
[36:19] >> It's probably more than that.
[36:22] >> I am paying $600 more in
[36:25] taxes -- yes --
[36:28] >> Let's look -- can I offer
[36:30] that you call me or you come in
[36:31] see me, okay? I will explain to
[36:34] you the value of your house in
[36:36] 2022, the value of your house in
[36:38] --
[36:39] >> I understand very well, and I
[36:40] have a problem with that concept
[36:44] for me in the elementary. It's
[36:46] at the end, I have to pay $600
[36:48] more, but then, I did not see it
[36:50] reflected in the revenue that we
[36:51] have, and the revenue went up by
[36:54] 4.2%. Yet, my text went up by
[36:57] 16.5%. It's somebody having a
[36:58] decrease in their taxes?
[37:00] >> Yes, yes, some people had
[37:03] decreases because they were
[37:04] below the average. The increase
[37:07] in value on average was 42%.
[37:09] They increase in value from 2020
[37:11] to 2023, that is the average.
[37:15] Some people were below the
[37:17] average and some people were
[37:18] above the average. We always the
[37:21] present the average value of the
[37:24] house. But those 10,000 --
[37:26] >> But the assessment went down
[37:27] as well because I did not hear
[37:29] about anybody paying those
[37:31] taxes. It's the first time I
[37:32] hear that --
[37:33] >> No, there was a lot of people
[37:34] that had decreases. Well, they
[37:38] were not being hit by 5.9. The
[37:41] average was 5.9. Some people are
[37:43] paying three. Some people were
[37:45] paying 12%, increase in taxes. I
[37:49] am talking -- we always present
[37:51] the average. That's why, I will
[37:55] gladly look at your -- at the
[37:59] value of your house, explain the
[38:01] increase in value, and explain
[38:04] that there was a decrease in the
[38:06] rate. But you were force or
[38:08] above the average of 42%
[38:10] increase in the value of your
[38:11] house last year.
[38:14] >> Roughly, about 44, 45% --
[38:18] >> At least 45.
[38:20] >> There is a need to justify
[38:22] that because maybe a few houses
[38:24] in my neighbourhood went up in
[38:26] price because it was scarcity
[38:28] right after COVID. But now,
[38:32] things are going back to normal.
[38:34] There is no score city now.
[38:36] >> There is always fluctuation
[38:38] in that real estate market. Yes
[38:41] -- and, again, I will gladly
[38:44] come and see me, and we will
[38:47] look at it, and then, we will
[38:49] explain in detail why there was
[38:50] an increase in value of your
[38:52] house, and how it was reflected
[38:55] in the increase in your taxes of
[38:58] 2023. Next year, the value of
[39:00] your house right now is staying
[39:03] stable. Therefore, you are only
[39:05] affected by the fluctuation in
[39:07] that taxation rate. Therefore,
[39:09] your tax increase would be 3.9%.
[39:14] >> Okay, thank you.
[39:15] >> Okay?
[39:18] >> Councillor Eric Stork?
[39:20] >> Just to help understand,
[39:21] because the long-term debt has
[39:23] been brought up a number of
[39:24] times on how it's calculated.
[39:25] The best way to explain it is
[39:26] that the citizens of
[39:28] Pointe-Claire have to credit
[39:29] cards, one that is managed by
[39:30] the City, and won managed by
[39:32] Montréal. Our total credit card
[39:34] debt is, I think, if I'm not
[39:35] mistaken, between municipal and
[39:37] Montréal, it's about 200 and $20
[39:39] million, if I'm not mistaken.
[39:41] >> Yeah.
[39:42] >> Something of that nature. In
[39:43] our credit card, let's say we
[39:44] have 100,000 dollar balance.
[39:46] Since 2017, our debt on our
[39:48] credit card has actually gone
[39:49] down to about $75. The debt that
[39:52] we control, 2017, I think it was
[39:55] 112 million, now we are down to
[39:57] 71. That is 71 of 210, let's
[40:01] say, which is three times more.
[40:04] The debt, liquidate card for
[40:05] Montréal that they have that we
[40:07] pay for was about $100,000. But
[40:09] that has gone up to $145,000.
[40:13] So, our increase in debt is
[40:15] increasing, but the debt that we
[40:17] control on our credit card has
[40:19] gone down. It's the Montréal
[40:21] credit card that has basically
[40:22] gone crazy. Is that a fair
[40:26] assessment?
[40:27] >> Yes.
[40:28] >> I'm just trying to help put
[40:31] visualizer a bit better.
[40:33] >> I would don't mind your
[40:36] choice of words, but yeah.
[40:45] >> Councillor --
[40:46] >> Good evening. The taxes have
[40:49] increased 600, my wife, are we
[40:54] able -- the City Council when
[40:55] they vote for the
[40:57] administration, they say when we
[40:59] give permission to build all the
[41:01] high-rises and the condos, it's
[41:02] going to lower our taxes. But we
[41:05] never had this kind of increase
[41:08] we. We have lived in
[41:09] Pointe-Claire for 60 years. We
[41:12] increased 60% in the value of
[41:13] the House, 45%. So, the city
[41:18] council can vote for -- to
[41:21] freeze the taxes for people when
[41:23] they increase that much, 16% --
[41:28] $600 a year. Then you vote to
[41:33] freeze that taxes for the
[41:37] citizens, or the household
[41:39] increase in taxes, not much. I
[41:42] am talking because when they
[41:45] vote for everything --
[41:47] >> Go ahead --
[41:50] >> I think it's comparable here.
[41:52] My analysis, I have had many
[41:54] different people, if there was
[41:56] an increase, the development
[41:57] that we have had in terms of
[41:59] these apartments, slash condos,
[42:02] rental condos, have lowered the
[42:04] increase that we have seen. So,
[42:07] it is not by having them build
[42:11] those buildings. If the increase
[42:13] was 16%, it might have been 18%,
[42:16] in my opinion, in my analysis,
[42:18] from what I understand as a
[42:20] member of the finance committee.
[42:21] Yes, we had our increase. But to
[42:24] me, they are a net contributor
[42:26] to our tax base, not a loss. The
[42:29] increase is diminished, the
[42:31] interest might have been more if
[42:32] we did not have them, that's
[42:33] what I'm trying to say.
[42:34] >> But we never had this
[42:36] increase. For 30 years, it was
[42:39] 2% -- we never had that. The
[42:43] second thing also, you said the
[42:46] City of Pointe-Claire -- the
[42:48] City of Montréal increased our
[42:51] value of the houses. And some
[42:55] increased too much, like us, and
[42:57] some did not increase by that
[42:58] much. Can the city contest about
[43:00] that? How can someone pay $300
[43:04] to increase or get 100, they
[43:06] refuse it? The city is supposed
[43:08] to be -- because the city gave
[43:10] them the data for how to
[43:12] increase our taxes, our
[43:14] valuation of the house. Count
[43:16] the City contest about all that,
[43:19] on behalf of all residents?
[43:21] >> We don't give them the data,
[43:23] sir. The market gives them the
[43:25] data. And the sale prices of
[43:27] houses, it is what the data is.
[43:31] >> But, you know, there was
[43:34] COVID, the interest that was
[43:37] 1.5. Now, that is -- the
[43:40] mortgage is almost 8%. There is
[43:43] a shortage of houses because
[43:46] they are building only
[43:48] high-rises or condos. So it's
[43:49] not our fault as a household. So
[43:52] what I'm saying, you know, as a
[43:56] citizen, and City Council, we
[43:58] can share all that and contest
[44:00] to the City of Montréal on our
[44:03] behalf. Instead of having every
[44:06] household pay through the
[44:07] dollars, they're not getting
[44:08] everything for, $200 in the end.
[44:11] So at least, and we do that?
[44:13] >> Every household is paying
[44:16] $158 more this year.
[44:18] >> I am talking about last year,
[44:21] the increased 4%, but it did not
[44:23] increase --
[44:24] >> That was only real estate
[44:26] fluctuation. It was only based
[44:27] on reinstate fluctuation and
[44:28] activity where you lived. It's a
[44:30] formula that we don't control.
[44:33] The agglo has its own formula
[44:34] for the increases and the cost
[44:36] of housing and how they
[44:38] evaluate. The valuation is not
[44:40] us, the valuation is the agglo.
[44:43] >> But, can't you contest that
[44:45] --
[44:46] >> How can we contest? Do you
[44:47] want to speak, Kelly? Sure.
[44:49] >> I do recognize that it is a
[44:52] stressor when you have a fixed
[44:53] income and your taxes are going
[44:55] up. But I don't believe from
[44:58] speaking to other residents,
[45:00] everyone would want their home
[45:02] reevaluated, and it should go
[45:03] back down. They are happy that
[45:04] the value of their home has gone
[45:06] up. That's why the taxes are
[45:07] what they are is because if you
[45:09] decided to sell tomorrow, and
[45:10] that was your investment for
[45:13] retirement, then you are shaking
[45:14] your head, but some people do
[45:15] not want to have their home
[45:17] reassessed. They are happy with
[45:18] the value of their home because
[45:20] that's what they can sell it for
[45:21] tomorrow. I recognize it's
[45:23] difficult when your house has
[45:24] gone up. A significant amount,
[45:26] so you are currently paying
[45:27] more, it will be stable for the
[45:29] next three years. Again, it was
[45:31] based on the market. It was
[45:32] based on the homes that were
[45:34] sold in your area, and that's
[45:35] how much they will determine it.
[45:37] It's not something that we
[45:39] control. And, yes, it is of
[45:40] concern for some. But there's
[45:42] others, other residents who are
[45:43] very happy that the value of
[45:45] their home has increased, so
[45:46] that they can sell their home at
[45:48] that higher value. So, the
[45:50] reason why you are paying more
[45:51] is because you have more of a
[45:53] value to property now.
[45:54] >> Understand that. When I spoke
[45:57] with my neighbours, everybody
[45:58] was disappointed, really, due to
[46:00] the increase. That's why I'm
[46:02] asking if the city council and
[46:04] the Mayor contest on behalf --
[46:09] to the City of Montréal, to
[46:13] consider lowering it. When you
[46:15] sell your house, it doesn't
[46:17] matter how much the valuation
[46:19] is. It's going to be what's
[46:21] inside your house, how you
[46:23] renovate it, how you take care
[46:24] of it. That's how the price is
[46:25] going to be. It's not because
[46:27] the city --
[46:29] >> We did protest. We did. We
[46:31] voted against the budget last
[46:33] week. We all protested.
[46:34] >> You contested?
[46:35] >> Yes, we contested. And I
[46:37] would be surprised if anybody
[46:39] looked up from their cell phone
[46:40] when we did so. I mean, it's
[46:42] really, the experience of the
[46:45] agglomeration, it's pretty much
[46:47] what it is. We make our
[46:49] statement, and even our
[46:53] president gets up and expresses
[46:55] this contempt. And once he is
[46:56] done, the meeting carries on.
[46:58] That is pretty much the extent
[46:59] of it, unfortunately.
[47:01] >> Thank you. I hope you do it
[47:03] again.
[47:04] >> If I can just pick up on a
[47:05] few things, a couple of comments
[47:06] which you are referring to.
[47:11] Councillor Eric Stork referred
[47:12] to the fact that increased
[47:13] residential development may in
[47:15] fact reduce access, which is
[47:17] contestable, which is debatable.
[47:19] We have seen and Pointe-Claire
[47:21] over the course of time,
[47:23] increased residential
[47:25] development, substantial
[47:26] residential development. And
[47:27] yet, the housing costs don't
[47:29] seem to go down, and increased
[47:31] supply doesn't seem to reduce
[47:32] the average costs of homes. So,
[47:34] you know, whether the two are
[47:37] comparable, I'm not sure. The
[47:38] second point I would like to
[47:39] make is commercial and
[47:41] industrial have a huge bearing.
[47:42] The old formula was commercial
[47:44] and industrial will bring you
[47:45] more revenue because you don't
[47:47] have to give as many services.
[47:49] So, if you have increased
[47:50] residential, you have to give
[47:52] schools, hospitals, garbage
[47:54] collection, recreation
[47:55] facilities, et cetera. And once
[47:56] you've done that, all that
[47:58] increased tax revenue goes back
[47:59] to services, where if it's
[48:02] industrial, you get your
[48:03] revenue, you don't have to give
[48:04] as many services. Councillor
[48:05] Eric Stork would disagree with
[48:06] that, but I learned from a book
[48:08] I read on it, and other mayors
[48:11] who strongly believe in that. We
[48:13] look at Mississauga which is the
[48:15] largest growth, residential area
[48:16] and the country. And it's taxes
[48:18] haven't gone up. The residential
[48:20] values don't seem to be
[48:22] diminished. So, it's open to
[48:23] debate, at the bare minimum,
[48:25] it's open to debate.
[48:26] >> Yes, if you allow to debate
[48:30] more single houses --
[48:31] >> Excuse me, Mister Mayor -- I
[48:34] apologize for interrupting.
[48:36] >> Would you like to speak?
[48:37] >> Well, I want to ask you a
[48:39] question --
[48:41] >> We are not supposed to be
[48:42] debating you and I.
[48:45] >> No, no, I just want to know,
[48:47] I think we are completely off
[48:49] track the agenda.
[48:52] >> No. I mean, that's your
[48:55] interpretation. The gentleman is
[48:56] asking about the personal -- the
[49:01] gentleman has asked about the
[49:03] rate of taxation and how much he
[49:04] has to pay. And we are speaking
[49:06] about exactly that in our
[49:09] budget. So, I don't think it's
[49:11] completely off base. We are
[49:14] getting, excuse me, we are
[49:16] getting into a little bit of sub
[49:18] debates here, so, maybe we can
[49:20] leave it at that. Are you good,
[49:22] sir?
[49:23] >> Okay, yes, I just hope really
[49:25] to allow for single houses to be
[49:27] built. So we need for future
[49:31] generations, families, live like
[49:33] what we have in our life. That
[49:35] is what I am wishing really to
[49:37] consider for the next generation
[49:38] of young families. Please.
[49:40] >> Okay. If I can just touch on
[49:41] that quickly before you sit
[49:43] down, and then we will finish at
[49:46] that, it is debatable whether
[49:47] the single family home is gonna
[49:49] be accorded to a lot of people
[49:50] in the future. We are looking at
[49:52] the missing muddled duplexes,
[49:55] triplexes, because we are
[49:56] running out of space to build.
[49:58] So, it is tricky. And you can't
[50:01] look at the single family
[50:02] dwelling as the future, the
[50:04] solution for families. There has
[50:05] to be other options for families
[50:07] as well.
[50:08] >> Okay, thank you.
[50:09] >> Thank you.
[50:10] >> Susan wiener?
[50:14] >> Thank you very much --
[50:16] >> Thank you. I would like to
[50:17] thank, of course, all my
[50:20] colleagues, who have been
[50:21] working hard on that budget with
[50:23] me. There is a lot of people
[50:25] involved and thank you to all my
[50:27] colleagues. Geneviève Lucien.
[50:37] - I was disappointed to hear the
[50:39] three-year plan doesn't have any
[50:40] money to purchase green spaces.
[50:42] But I am curious to know how
[50:44] much the budget is considering
[50:45] any effects of climate change,
[50:48] or any issues the city might
[50:50] encounter with greater climate
[50:52] events that are happening in the
[50:54] future?
[50:56] >> Well, of course, we have to
[50:59] look at all the expenses. I'm
[51:03] gonna go back a few slides here.
[51:07] If you look at all the slides
[51:10] for the environment, or if you
[51:11] look at all the expenses, either
[51:12] in transportation, environmental
[51:13] health. Pour l'environnement
[51:23] I will give you a direct
[51:25] example. A fleet of cars,
[51:27] electric cars, we are switching
[51:30] gradually to electric cars,
[51:31] okay? That is one example. We
[51:34] are also creating reserves for
[51:37] additional costs due to climate
[51:40] change. So, we are working on
[51:42] that as well.
[51:43] >> Can you tell me more about
[51:45] that?
[51:46] >> Well, I'll give you an
[51:47] example. Last year when we had
[51:48] the ice storm, the ice storm,
[51:51] the cost for the city was almost
[51:53] $1 million for the ice storm. We
[51:55] were able to collect from the --
[52:04] CCU
[52:11] so we are able to collect almost
[52:14] 600,000 from them. But the cost
[52:15] to the city was basically
[52:17] approximately $1 million.
[52:18] Therefore, we have to start
[52:20] planning about those unfortunate
[52:23] events, whether it's floods, ice
[52:27] storms. We never know what's
[52:28] going to happen. Just look at
[52:32] today, instead of snow, we had a
[52:34] lot of rain. So, we don't know
[52:37] what's going to happen. So
[52:39] therefore, we are starting to
[52:40] plan on those reserves,
[52:43] gradually.
[52:44] >> I think that is really wise
[52:45] especially that you are spending
[52:46] $1 million a year on
[52:48] refrigerated rink because we
[52:49] don't have old enough winters
[52:51] anymore. So, I'm interested to
[52:52] hear a lot more about how
[52:54] Pointe-Claire is going to work
[52:55] on its climate resiliency,
[52:57] especially with a big climate
[52:59] events that we are gonna be
[53:00] encountering in the future. And
[53:01] I want to know in what part of
[53:03] the budget would protection of
[53:06] green spaces fit in? Would it
[53:09] fit in two -- environmental
[53:13] health -- Est-ce que ce serait
[53:17] loisir? Est-ce que ce serait
[53:19] urbanisme?
[53:20] - Ça se passe à plusieurs
[53:21] endroits. Est-ce qu'on crée de
[53:23] nouveaux parcs graduellement? Si
[53:26] vous regardez, historiquement,
[53:27] depuis quelques années, on a
[53:28] créé le parc Tony prout, qui est
[53:31] un petit par créer produire
[53:34] développement Walton. Mais au
[53:36] fur et à mesure, les autres
[53:38] preneurs, lorsqu'il y a des
[53:40] développements, les autres
[53:41] preneurs doivent contribuer au
[53:42] fonds parc et terrain de jeu.
[53:45] Chaque année, ce fonds-là, de
[53:46] parcs et de terrains de jeu, est
[53:47] utilisée pour soit aménager des
[53:48] nouveaux parcs ou tout
[53:50] simplement rénovés les parcs ou
[53:52] les équipements de parc que l'on
[53:54] a. Donc, à chaque année, et
[53:56] comme tantôt si je vous disais,
[53:57] on est en train de planifier,
[54:00] mais on va espérer avoir une
[54:04] subvention, pour faire à la
[54:06] fameuse piste cyclable près de
[54:07] (---)
[54:08] . Au fur et à mesure, on a fait
[54:10] ou on tente de développer
[54:12] d'autres terrains, d'autres
[54:13] espaces verts un peu partout au
[54:16] sein de la ville.
[54:18] - Je pense que ce serait super
[54:19] intéressant, surtout avec
[54:22] l'équipe de vulnérabilité qui
[54:23] vient de sortir avec la ville,
[54:25] on sait qu'il y a des secteurs
[54:26] qui sont plus vulnérables que
[54:27] les autres ça va coûter vraiment
[54:29] cher à la Ville de coûter...
[54:31] contre ces effets-là.
[54:32] - Mais juste pour compléter, ça
[54:34] se passe, comme je vous dis,
[54:35] aussi... bon, il y avait Travaux
[54:37] publics, horticulture, flore et
[54:39] culture, sport et loisirs. Il
[54:40] avait Parcs, ainsi de suite.
[54:41] Mais ça, ce sont différents
[54:44] exemples. S'
[54:45] - Il y avait moyen de trouver
[54:46] des subventions aussi pour ces
[54:47] choses-là.
[54:48] - On travaille toujours très
[54:49] fort là-dessus.
[54:50] - Ce serait super intéressant à
[54:51] savoir s'il y a des avancements
[54:52] dans cette direction-là. -- Let
[54:55] me pick up on that just for a
[54:57] second. The public works is
[54:59] interesting the way we manage
[55:00] our shoreline. It's not being
[55:03] cut as much, it's been completed
[55:06] -- treated completely
[55:07] differently. You would use the
[55:08] heat of the water versus the
[55:11] shoreline, and we reduce the
[55:12] cutting. So there is less
[55:14] visibility. And so, we are
[55:15] getting some pushback on that.
[55:17] But environmentally, it's a
[55:18] sound one. And that is -- they
[55:21] have researched, and they did a
[55:22] really good job. And just along
[55:24] Drake, we are gonna have our own
[55:26] natural garden, if you want to
[55:28] say. We would like to go a
[55:29] little wilder and see if we can
[55:31] enhance that area. So public
[55:33] works have been doing their own
[55:34] thing in their own ways as well.
[55:35] It's kind of interesting.
[55:37] >> Certainly, we know more wild
[55:39] spaces and natural spaces.
[55:40] >> They're not all grass. Wild
[55:43] spaces should be grass.
[55:44] >> Grasses are not very great
[55:47] for heat island, they do
[55:48] nothing. I'm just curious about
[55:51] the GICs, what money are you
[55:52] investing in the GICs, and are
[55:53] you using the returns from the
[55:55] previous year to gauge the next
[55:57] year, or the year -- like, is
[56:00] it, the GICs is renewables every
[56:02] year, two years, or --
[56:04] >> Some of them are six months,
[56:06] some eight months, some ten
[56:08] months, it depends. Basically,
[56:10] what we do is that at the end of
[56:12] the year, when we have a
[56:15] surplus, we all look at the
[56:16] surplus to reserves. Those
[56:19] reserves will be huge eventually
[56:21] to reimburse the long term debt.
[56:23] But in the meantime, that money
[56:25] is invested in GICs, generating
[56:28] interest revenue.
[56:29] >> Okay, okay, I got it. Thank
[56:32] you very much.
[56:33] >> My pleasure.
[56:36] - C'est tout pour la période de
[56:38] questions. The end of the
[56:41] questioning period --
[56:43] >> I would have a question
[56:45] because I think that -- was
[56:51] misinformed. I was surprised by
[56:52] the 1 million dollar a year
[56:55] budget for ice rings. Can we ask
[56:57] the staff?
[56:59] >> I would love that. It would
[57:00] be great.
[57:01] >> Just to make sure that it
[57:03] does cost us 1 million.
[57:08] - Je vais juste être... >> --
[57:09] May I?
[57:11] >> Yes, absolutely. Monsieur
[57:12] Cousineau, le coût, suite au
[57:16] verglas de PAC l'année passée,
[57:18] ce qui est arrivé, c'est qu'il y
[57:19] a eu énormément d'arbres et de
[57:22] branches qui sont tombés. Donc,
[57:23] on a supporté énormément de
[57:25] coups. Les coûts pour ramasser
[57:32] toutes ces branches-là et
[57:34] ensuite l'entretien des arbres,
[57:35] c'est ce que la Ville a dû
[57:36] surpris... supporter comme coup.
[57:38] - Ma question portait sur la
[57:39] ferme nation, le commentaire de
[57:41] madame Lucien qui disait que les
[57:44] patinoires réfrigérées nous
[57:45] coûtait 1 million par année. Je
[57:48] ne sais pas combien ça coûte.
[57:49] - Excusez-moi, on ne parlait pas
[57:50] du même millions, de toute
[57:52] évidence.
[57:53] (rires)
[57:54] - Merci.
[57:55] (inaudible)
[57:56] À cause des changements
[57:57] climatiques, entre autres.
[58:00] - Désolé.
[58:01] - Non, c'est correct.
[58:04] - Pour répondre à la question,
[58:05] essentiellement, le coût de
[58:07] location pour chats patinoires
[58:08] extérieures réfléchirez est de
[58:11] 176000. Donc, autant pour Valois
[58:14] que celui dans RCA Le Village.
[58:16] - À chaque année, c'est 176000
[58:18] chaque? Ça fait combien d'années
[58:20] qu'elles sont là?
[58:21] - C'est la troisième année.
[58:23] - O.K., Parfait. Désolé, je
[58:25] m'excuse...
[58:26] - Non, non.
[58:27] - On arrive dans le million.
[58:31] - On arrive à échéance, oui.
[58:36] Site, can I just qualify that?
[58:38] >> Absolutely.
[58:39] >> But, Jen, you do have to know
[58:41] there's a cost with all the
[58:42] rings. Whether they're
[58:43] refrigerated or not.
[58:44] >> The refrigeration part is --
[58:46] >> Yes.
[58:47] >> Because we're no longer
[58:49] having --
[58:50] >> Unfortunately.
[59:25] 2024 budget of the City of
[59:29] Pointe-Claire.
[59:30] >> Do I have a move --
[59:31] >> Eric stark, district seven.
[59:33] >> All in favour? And, I guess
[59:38] it's closure? Foreclosure, do I
[59:41] have a mover?
[59:43] >> Proposed by Stainforth,
[59:45] district four.
[59:46] >> And seconded?
[59:48] >> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,
[59:50] district six.
[59:51] >> All in favour? So I believe
[59:53] we move directly to the next --
[59:55] or we don't take a break? Okay.
[1:00:07] - Alors, adoption de l'ordre du
[1:00:08] jour. Un.1.
[1:00:12] >> For the adoption of the
[1:00:13] agenda, do I have a mover?
[1:00:17] >> Eric Stork, district seven.
[1:00:19] >> Seconded?
[1:00:21] >> District to.
[1:00:22] >> On favour?
[1:00:30] Question period? - Période de
[1:00:31] questions.
[1:00:45] It has to be about the agenda
[1:00:46] we're speaking to.
[1:00:49] >> About the windmill? What
[1:00:53] exactly is going to be -- they
[1:00:55] decide already to go a hand? Or
[1:00:57] to argue about it?
[1:01:00] >> We are proposing a resolution
[1:01:04] to draft a bylaw they have the
[1:01:07] archdiocese apply for funding
[1:01:09] from the city. And initiate a
[1:01:13] process for the eventual
[1:01:14] reparation of the windmill, we
[1:01:17] hope.
[1:01:19] >> I don't understand exactly. A
[1:01:23] hand, or just negotiate?
[1:01:25] >> It's the beginning of a
[1:01:26] process. You're right. It's not
[1:01:28] a completed deal. It's the
[1:01:29] beginning of a funding process.
[1:01:31] >> Yeah, funding.
[1:01:32] >> That's being started.
[1:01:34] >> But they all agree about it?
[1:01:35] >> We'll see, we're about to
[1:01:37] vote on it. We're about to pass
[1:01:38] the resolution, I believe we
[1:01:39] vote on it next meeting.
[1:01:40] >> Okay, thank you.
[1:01:42] >> Thank you.
[1:01:46] - Cinq.1
[1:01:47] (---)
[1:01:48] décrétant l'imposition de la
[1:01:49] taxe foncière générale, les
[1:01:51] compensations pour mes tarifs
[1:01:53] services municipaux et les
[1:01:54] tarifs municipaux figé pour
[1:01:57] l'exercice financier 2024 suite
[1:01:58] à l'adoption du budget 2024, ce
[1:02:01] règlement a pour but d'établir
[1:02:02] la taxe foncière, qui est imposé
[1:02:05] sur tous les immeubles
[1:02:06] imposables, conformément à la
[1:02:07] Loi sur la fiscalité municipale.
[1:02:09] Et comme Monsieur le Maire la
[1:02:14] précisé en introduction, le
[1:02:15] règlement sur la taxation sera
[1:02:17] adoptée lors d'une séance
[1:02:19] spéciale ce mercredi à 19
[1:02:21] heures.
[1:02:23] >> So, 5.1. Who gives this
[1:02:26] notice a motion?
[1:02:29] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,
[1:02:31] district 3.
[1:02:33] >> 5.2. Filing of a draft bylaw
[1:02:35] concerning the creation of a
[1:02:37] financial assistance program for
[1:02:38] the protection and -- built
[1:02:40] cultural heritage, which is a
[1:02:42] Pointe-Claire windmill. For
[1:02:43] maximum amount of $967,761. This
[1:02:48] by law enables the City to
[1:02:49] provide financial assistance to
[1:02:50] the owner of a heritage building
[1:02:52] as permitted by the cultural
[1:02:54] heritage Act.
[1:02:56] >> So I have a mover?
[1:02:57] >> There's no mover.
[1:02:58] >> Excuse me, yes. Who files
[1:03:01] this draft?
[1:03:07] >> Cousineau, district one.
[1:03:11] 11.1,
[1:03:12] (---)
[1:03:13] entente avenir est Réseau
[1:03:14] métropolitain exo.
[1:03:15] (---)
[1:03:16] Délai de prescription. Il est
[1:03:17] donc dans l'intérêt des partis,
[1:03:18] donc de la ville de exo, de
[1:03:20] s'entendre pour une interruption
[1:03:21] du délai de prescription
[1:03:22] concernant toutes les sommes qui
[1:03:23] seraient dues entre elles ont
[1:03:26] relation avec les ententes pour
[1:03:27] le partage des responsabilités
[1:03:29] afférentes à l'entretien, aux
[1:03:31] travaux mineurs et aux travaux
[1:03:32] majeurs des trois gares couvrant
[1:03:33] la période du 1er janvier 2019
[1:03:36] au 31 mai 2023. L'interruption
[1:03:38] du délai de prescription sera en
[1:03:40] vigueur jusqu'au 31 mars 2024.
[1:03:46] >> Do I have a mover?
[1:03:50] >> Claude Cousineau, district 1.
[1:03:52] >> Executive
[1:03:54] >> Cowan, district 8.
[1:03:55] >> All in favour?
[1:03:59] >> Closure?
[1:04:00] >> Foreclosure, I have a mover?
[1:04:02] >> I propose closing the
[1:04:04] meeting. District 4.
[1:04:05] >> Seconded?
[1:04:08] >> District 6.
[1:04:09] >> On favour? Merci, tout le
[1:04:10] monde. Thanks, everybody.