1 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:40,006 - Mesdames et Messieurs, 2 00:00:40,006 --> 00:00:41,307 bonsoir. Ladies and gentlemen's 3 00:00:41,307 --> 00:00:43,443 good evening. Bienvenue à cette 4 00:00:43,443 --> 00:00:44,544 séance extraordinaire du 16 5 00:00:44,544 --> 00:00:47,247 avril. Welcome to the evil 16th 6 00:00:47,247 --> 00:00:52,085 special meeting. Du 14 au 20 7 00:00:53,086 --> 00:00:54,387 avril, c'est la semaine de 8 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:57,057 l'action bénévole qui a pour 9 00:00:57,057 --> 00:01:00,000 thème: ça compte toujours. Les 10 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 membres du conseil et moi-même 11 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 profitons de cette semaine pour 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 souligner les contributions de 13 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,000 nombreux bénévoles qui ouvrent à 14 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Pointe-Claire. Vos actions font 15 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,000 une différence profonde dans 16 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,000 notre communauté. Nous vous 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 remercions de votre générosité 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 et du temps que vous consacrez 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,000 aux différents organismes et 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 initiatives de notre ville. 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 April 14th to 20th's national 22 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 volunteer week, with the theme 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 every moment matters. The 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 council members and I would like 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 to take this opportunity to 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,000 highlight the contributions of 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,000 the many volunteers who work in 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Pointe-Claire. Your actions make 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 a profound difference in our 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,000 community. The we thank you for 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 your generosity and the time you 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 devote to the city's various 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 organizations and initiatives. 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Jour de la Terre. Les 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,000 réservations sont en cours pour 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000 la distribution des arbres 37 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 offerts dans le cadre du jour de 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 la Terre. Vous avez jusqu'au 24 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,000 avril pour réserver l'arbre que 40 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,000 vous souhaitez planter sur votre 41 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 propriété. Je vous invite à 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,000 réserver votre arbre dès 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,000 maintenant. Il s'agit d'une 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,000 action concrète, conjointe de la 45 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 ville et des citoyens pour 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000 l'environnement afin de 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,000 maintenir la santé et la 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 diversité de la canopée de notre 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,000 territoire. Reservations are 50 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 underway for the distribution of 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 birthday trees. You have until 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000 April 24th through the tree you 53 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 wish to plant on your property. 54 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,000 I encourage you to reserve your 55 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 tree now. This is a concrete 56 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 joint action by the City and the 57 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 citizens to support the 58 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,000 environment and maintain the 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,000 health and diversity of our 60 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,000 regions canopy. Bon, maintenant, 61 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 l'agenda, je pense. 62 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 - Georges Laurier 1.1 Adoption 63 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 de l'ordre du jour. Adoption of 64 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 the agenda. 65 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,000 >> Do I have a mover? Nous 66 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,000 ailleurs 67 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 >> Seconder? 68 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 >> Eric Stork, district 1. 69 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,000 >> All in favour? 70 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Question period. 71 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 >> Good evening. What about the 72 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,000 question? I have to know what 73 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 about it? 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 >> He didn't ask one if you 75 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 don't know what you're going to 76 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,000 ask, sir. Oh, you mean, the item 77 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 on the agenda is the request to 78 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 support from the Ministère des 79 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Affaires municipales et de 80 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 l'Habitation, MAMH. 81 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 >> In English, please. 82 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,000 >> The request to get support 83 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 from the MAMH, the higher level 84 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 upper level of the provincial 85 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,000 government to intervene with the 86 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 trends -- and translating free 87 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 flow here, the incongruence or 88 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000 the problematic's of 89 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Pointe-Claire politics. I'm 90 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 giving you a very cursory 91 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,000 analysis. 92 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 >> Okay, but we know all the 93 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,000 problems is with the previous 94 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,000 City Council. They don't want to 95 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 work with you, because they 96 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 won't get the -- 97 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 >> Mister Nasr El Dabee, that is 98 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 -- 99 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,000 >> Look, I'm a witness since the 100 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 start as a mayor. All -- again 101 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,000 is their policy, didn't want to 102 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 accomplish your run for us, so 103 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 they can't get back the previous 104 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 one, the previous Mayor. That is 105 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,000 very clear for all of us. I ask 106 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 anyone in Pointe-Claire, that is 107 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 what they say. Ask all of them, 108 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,000 they are going to say the same 109 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000 thing. 110 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 >> Not all of them. 111 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,000 >> Sorry, I didn't finish. So 112 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000 please, before you start asking 113 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,000 somebody to come from outside 114 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,000 the city to manage our city, we 115 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,000 elected all of you to manage our 116 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000 city. It's very clear what we 117 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 need, the environment, to stop 118 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 all the high rise building and 119 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 have affordable house for a 120 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,000 young family and future 121 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 generations. That is what the 122 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,000 previous people did for us. We 123 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 have to care. You all have kids, 124 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 and you don't have grandkids if 125 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 they don't have affordable 126 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,000 housing, what are they going to 127 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,000 do? Money is not the reason. We 128 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 have to stop thinking about 129 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 ourself. We have to think about 130 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 the next generation, please. 131 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 >> Mr., El Dabee, do you have a 132 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 question? 133 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 >> That is why I'm asking, are 134 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 you going to do, that are you 135 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 going to get somebody from 136 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 outside to manage our city? 137 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 >> I will answer myself 138 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 personally. I am going to do 139 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 that, yes. 140 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 >> So what is the -- 141 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 >> I can't speak for others. 142 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,000 >> They hire some people from 143 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 outside to bother you. 144 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000 >> Mr. El Dabee, I cannot answer 145 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,000 for others. I will give them the 146 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 opportunity to answer you, if 147 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,000 they choose to do so. Eric? 148 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 >> No comment. 149 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,000 >> The next one? 150 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,000 [Inaudible] 151 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 >> And you, you hire someone to 152 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 talk for you, he can talk now? 153 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 >> No comment. 154 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 >> Wow, that is good. The next 155 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,000 one, please. 156 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 [Inaudible] 157 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 -- Going down the line. 158 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 >> I offered you the 159 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 opportunity. He's asking all of 160 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 us as a Council to answer to why 161 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,000 this is happening and whether we 162 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,000 are going to continue to try to 163 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 get along, I answered that yes 164 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,000 indeed I would. And I suspect 165 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 that what we are doing I think 166 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,000 is unnecessary. But I have 167 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,000 answered on my part, he's asking 168 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 others to answer on their part. 169 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 He is a citizen and I think he 170 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 should be able to ask that. 171 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,000 >> Sir, -- 172 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,000 >> Later I will make my comments 173 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,000 when I 174 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 [Inaudible] 175 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000 -- 176 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,000 [Inaudible] 177 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Prepared to comment after. I 178 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 will say the exact same thing 179 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 I'm going to -- 180 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 >> So we are supposed to be 181 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,000 asking the question, after all 182 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 of you are talking. 183 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,000 >> Mr. El Dabee, you are allowed 184 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,000 one preamble, he short preamble, 185 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,000 into questions, but you are not 186 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000 respecting. You are calling 187 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 people hey you, rather than 188 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 address people politely. And you 189 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 are expecting us to answer a 190 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 very unclear question. This is 191 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 not to bring somebody in to run 192 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 the city. This resolution is to 193 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,000 bring somebody in to give us 194 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,000 tools in order to better 195 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,000 function. 196 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 >> But I'm witnessing, you're 197 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 not doing the right job. 198 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,000 >> Mister El Dabee -- 199 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,000 >> He's asking for help. 200 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,000 >> I've never seen that before. 201 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,000 And the previous Mayor, you all 202 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 want him to be back. But we 203 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 don't want him, because we want 204 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,000 the mayor, who told us -- 205 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,000 >> Mr. El Dabee, that's not for 206 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,000 me to decide. Mr. El Dabee, you 207 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 have asked a question to all of 208 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Council and you're asking all of 209 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Council to respond, is that what 210 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 you are trying to do? 211 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 >> Yes, that is what I said. 212 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,000 >> And Council just have to say 213 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,000 if they choose not to, they 214 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,000 choose not to, which is what we 215 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,000 are doing. So would you like to 216 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,000 -- 217 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,000 >> Please, can we have the 218 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,000 question after all they have 219 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,000 their comment, so at least we 220 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,000 know all but you are going to 221 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 say? 222 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 >> No, question period is 223 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 before, Mister El Dabee. 224 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Question period is before. 225 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,000 >> I know, but we don't know 226 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,000 what they are going to say. 227 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 >> I agree. 228 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,000 >> So we have to have the right 229 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000 answer. 230 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,000 >> I agree, I don't enjoy that 231 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 process either. But that is the 232 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 way it is structured. 233 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 >> Okay, I wish you all will and 234 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 work altogether. That is what 235 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 they elect you for. Please. 236 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:08,000 >> Okay, El Dabee,. Line Conway? 237 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,000 - Bonsoir. Good evening. So this 238 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 meeting was a bit of a surprise 239 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 because on the web page, the 240 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,000 council web page, we really have 241 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,000 to go for the general meetings, 242 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,000 it shows up. But for the special 243 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000 meeting, we have to click and 244 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 see and it's always a surprise 245 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 to see that something pops up 246 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 once in a while. Because 6.1 is 247 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,000 the request for support from the 248 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Ministère des Affaires 249 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,000 municipales et de l'Habitation, 250 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,000 MAMH., 251 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,000 .,, -- To see what 6.1 was 252 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 about. And there was no nothing. 253 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 So you just said there's gonna 254 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,000 be a resolution. And we know 255 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000 what the title of the resolution 256 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000 is, of the resolution, can you 257 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,000 read the resolution to us? 258 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,000 >> The title of the resolution, 259 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 you want to have it? Request for 260 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000 support from the Ministère des 261 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Affaires municipales et de 262 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 l'Habitation. 263 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 >> So it's what's here? And 264 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 what's the resolution? 265 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,000 >> It will come after. 266 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000 >> But it's a question period, 267 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000 it's now. 268 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 >> Yeah, like usual, as a usual 269 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,000 meeting. We have a question 270 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000 period at the beginning of the 271 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 meeting. 272 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 >> I attend associated meetings 273 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 every once in a while, usually 274 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,000 there is context first. Then we 275 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 can ask our questions, this is a 276 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 bit odd. 277 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 >> To the citizens don't have 278 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 access to the resolution 279 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,000 beforehand, before the meeting? 280 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Okay 281 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,000 >> You can do that? Okay. Mayor 282 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Thomas, I support what you do, 283 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 by the way, and my second 284 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000 question would be can you give 285 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,000 us an example of what the 286 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,000 minister would be able to do for 287 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,000 us, an example of what you've 288 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000 lived through and what you might 289 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000 know what they might do for us 290 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,000 in the city? Are we paying for 291 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 this? 292 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,000 >> Well, indirectly taxpayers 293 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000 pay for everything that's been 294 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 done at a governmental level. 295 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000 >> So they go to charges for 296 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 coming here? 297 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 >> I don't know. Actually, 298 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 that's a good question. Are we 299 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 charge for it? No? Okay. 300 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 >> Give us an example of what 301 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 they might do. 302 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000 >> I don't know, I'm a first 303 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,000 time mayor. I don't know what 304 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 MAMH will do. One of the 305 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,000 wording's intrigues me, the 306 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 clause that intrigues me is that 307 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 the municipal council asked the 308 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Ministry to identify the nature 309 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,000 of the problems and propose an 310 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,000 action plan to approve the 311 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 general functioning of this city 312 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000 and offer the support of 313 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 specialized services for its 314 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 implementation. That, for me, is 315 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000 very broad. And the broadness of 316 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000 that makes me somewhat nervous. 317 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,000 That sounds like more and then 318 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 coming in and making us try to 319 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,000 get along better. It sounds a 320 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000 little bit more serious than 321 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000 that. But I'm not professional 322 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000 nor a lawyer. But that clause 323 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,000 itself seems to open our city up 324 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,000 to governance at another level, 325 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,000 and it concerns me. Excuse me, 326 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000 excuse me. 327 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,000 - Madame, parlez-en anglais. 328 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,000 C'est la langue de la question. 329 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000 On répond dans la langue de la 330 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 question. 331 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 - Je me demandais ce que je peux 332 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000 faire. Un exemple de ce qu'ils 333 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000 pourraient faire. 334 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 - Excuse-moi, il n'y a pas de 335 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 conversations. S'il vous plaît, 336 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,000 continuez. Oui. Et c'est, on 337 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,000 répond dans la langue de la 338 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,000 personne qui pose la question. 339 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,000 C'est normal, ça. C'est correct. 340 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Oui, Madame. 341 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,000 - Vous avez dit qu'il va y avoir 342 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000 une résolution. C'est qui qui 343 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 fait la résolution? 344 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,000 - Bonne question. Pas moi. 345 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000 (rires) 346 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,000 - Mais qui a fait tout ça? 347 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000 - C'est une bonne question. 348 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000 - Qui a mis la roue en marche 349 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,000 pour ça? 350 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 - On se demande qui a mis en 351 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,000 marche la résolution. Aussi un 352 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000 mélange de personnes? 353 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000 - À 20 séances du conseil, il y 354 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,000 a des projets de résolutions qui 355 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000 sont soumis au conseil. Le soir 356 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 de la séance, c'est là où la 357 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 résolution est adoptée. Nous, on 358 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 fait un procès-verbal après. Une 359 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000 résolution, c'est une partie 360 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,000 d'un procès-verbal. Le document, 361 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 c'est un procès-verbal. La 362 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000 résolution comme telle, on a 363 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 préparé un projet avant la 364 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 séance. Ça se fait à travers les 365 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 services. C'est le greffe qui 366 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 finalise la résolution et c'est 367 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 le greffe qui fait l'ordre du 368 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 jour que vous avez entre les 369 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 mains. 370 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 - Depuis cette administration, 371 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 j'ai vécu une autre fois où il y 372 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,000 a une résolution, c'était le 9 373 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000 janvier de mai 23, c'était 374 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 quatre membres du conseil qui 375 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 ont fait la résolution. Là, je 376 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,000 vais savoir il y a combien de 377 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000 membres du conseil qui ont fait 378 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000 la résolution? 379 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000 - Les membres du conseil peuvent 380 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 proposer une résolution le soir 381 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,000 même de la séance. Ça peut 382 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 arriver. C'est tout à fait 383 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,000 logique de le faire aussi. Nous, 384 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,000 on prépare on avance, parce que 385 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 la plupart des villes au Québec 386 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 travaillent en avance pour 387 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,000 proposer aux membres du conseil 388 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,000 un texte. On a l'idée générale 389 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,000 et l'administration rédige. Mais 390 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000 le conseil lui-même peut arriver 391 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 le soir de la séance et déposé 392 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,000 une résolution. Un des membres 393 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 du conseil peut le faire de 394 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000 façon à sa propre initiative. 395 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,000 - Là, je retourne à ma question 396 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,000 originale. C'était qui qui a 397 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,000 proposé la résolution? Quel 398 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000 membre du conseil? 399 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,000 - Ce n'est pas un membre du 400 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 conseil. En fait, le texte de la 401 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 résolution a été préparée par 402 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000 l'administration, a été soumis 403 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000 aux membres du conseil pour 404 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,000 qu'il l'approuve en prévision de 405 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000 la séance de ce soir. 406 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,000 - Alors, c'est l'administration 407 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,000 qui a décidé ça? 408 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 - Oui, mais c'est ça que j'ai 409 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,000 compris aussi. 410 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 >> I'm going to be proposing it. 411 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000 - On n'a pas... 412 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,000 - Les membres du conseil ont 413 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 demandé... les membres du 414 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000 conseil étaient d'accord sur 415 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 l'idée d'avoir cette 416 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 résolution-là. Les membres du 417 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 conseil ont demandé à 418 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000 l'administration de préparer un 419 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 texte. Nous avons, Madame 420 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Verdon, préparer un texte de 421 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,000 résolution qui a été soumis aux 422 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 membres du conseil. C'est ça 423 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000 qu'ils ont ce soir pour prendre 424 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 une décision, un texte qui a été 425 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000 préparée à l'avance par 426 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,000 l'administration à leurs 427 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,000 demandes. 428 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,000 - Martin m'a, est-ce que vous 429 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 faites partie du groupe du 430 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000 conseil qui a demandé ça? 431 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:21,000 - Non. Non, merci. Nikki 432 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,000 formula? 433 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 [Silence] 434 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,000 >> I am an educated woman, but 435 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000 I'm confused. 436 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,000 >> Put the microphone up. 437 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,000 >> People were phoning, we 438 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,000 talked amongst each other. We 439 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,000 knew nothing about this. And now 440 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,000 you are explaining it a little 441 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000 bit as we ask questions. I will 442 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,000 support what Line Conway said, 443 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000 it would be nice to be told what 444 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 the resolution is, see what the 445 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 comments are, see where your 446 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 head is, and then we can ask 447 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,000 intelligent questions. Now, we 448 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 look like chickens with our 449 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,000 heads cut off, running around 450 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 and pretending to ask 451 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,000 intelligent questions. Am I 452 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 wrong? 453 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000 >> Okay guys, okay. 454 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000 >> So my question is why is a 455 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,000 resolution not introduced to us, 456 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,000 then we do the question period? 457 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 Mister Mayor, you just said, 458 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000 well, that's the way the agenda 459 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 is. Whose bright light was it 460 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 who made the agenda this way? 461 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 >> Is that your question? 462 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 >> We don't know, we were not 463 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,000 informed about what this is all 464 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,000 about, and we are supposed to 465 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000 sit here and just swallow it 466 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 again? We are getting snowed 467 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000 again? Sorry, I'm going to try 468 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 to calm down, because I get a 469 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 little upset over this. So my 470 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000 question, you said there would 471 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,000 be no costs if someone comes in 472 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,000 to help us. 473 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,000 >> Apparently. 474 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,000 >> But is this a fact or is this 475 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 something we will see and then 476 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,020 all of a sudden, well, our taxes 477 00:17:00,020 --> 00:17:01,020 might go up because somebody 478 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,020 came in, and now we are in 479 00:17:03,020 --> 00:17:04,020 receivership and whatever else 480 00:17:04,020 --> 00:17:06,020 is going to happen, and we don't 481 00:17:06,020 --> 00:17:10,020 know about it? 482 00:17:10,020 --> 00:17:13,020 - Madame Verdon. 483 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:15,020 >> You are sure there will be no 484 00:17:15,020 --> 00:17:16,020 cost about this, if somebody 485 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:18,020 comes into help? 486 00:17:18,020 --> 00:17:19,020 >> For -- the will be no cost, 487 00:17:19,020 --> 00:17:20,020 and it's something the minister 488 00:17:20,020 --> 00:17:21,020 of our City will request, that 489 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:22,020 kind of support. 490 00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:23,020 - Comment le ministère des 491 00:17:23,020 --> 00:17:27,020 Affaires municipales, non. 492 00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:28,020 >> Okay, thank you, that will 493 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:31,020 make one. So if I understand 494 00:17:31,020 --> 00:17:33,020 correctly, correct me, 495 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:34,020 councillors asked the admin for 496 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:37,020 this resolution. Did I hear 497 00:17:37,020 --> 00:17:38,020 correctly? 498 00:17:38,020 --> 00:17:41,020 >> Yes. 499 00:17:41,020 --> 00:17:44,020 >> Yes, okay. 500 00:17:44,020 --> 00:17:47,020 >> -- 501 00:17:47,020 --> 00:17:49,020 >> So if I may ask another 502 00:17:49,020 --> 00:17:50,020 question, can we hear about the 503 00:17:50,020 --> 00:17:52,020 resolution and then we can ask 504 00:17:52,020 --> 00:17:53,020 questions after? 505 00:17:53,020 --> 00:17:55,020 >> Unfortunately, it doesn't 506 00:17:55,020 --> 00:17:58,020 sound like we can. Can we do 507 00:17:58,020 --> 00:18:02,080 that? Can we get them to -- 508 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,080 C'est trop tard. The bylaw says 509 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,080 no. 510 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,080 >> The bylaw says no! Okay. Can 511 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,080 somebody -- I just want to -- 512 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,080 >> Mr. El Dabee, could you 513 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,080 excuse me, can we stop the 514 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,080 conversation in the audience and 515 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,080 know this, let Miss Fortier ask 516 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,080 her last question. 517 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,080 >> Can the bylaw be explain to 518 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,080 me why this goes in this order 519 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,080 and not reverse so we can ask 520 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,080 intelligent questions after? 521 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,080 >> I did not make, and so I can 522 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,080 answer that question. I could 523 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,080 ask Madam Thibault, can you ask 524 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,080 why it is in such a format, 525 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:44,080 where Madame Verdun? 526 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,080 >> Yes, as a chair, you can ask 527 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,080 to make the proposal to change 528 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,080 the agenda. But we have already 529 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,080 approved the agenda, so in order 530 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,080 to change the question period, 531 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,080 you would need to add the 532 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,080 propositions to change the 533 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,080 agenda, and make the question 534 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,040 period before. But we made the 535 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,040 agenda the same way we always 536 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,040 make it. 537 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,040 >> We've always made the agenda 538 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,040 this way, absolutely. But there 539 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,040 is a way to change that? That's 540 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,040 very interesting. 541 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,040 >> We adopt the agenda as is, 542 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,040 but if you want to change it, 543 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,040 you can adopt a resolution to 544 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,040 change it. 545 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,040 >> For the moment, but the 546 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,040 resolution, what the citizen, 547 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,040 from what I'm understanding 548 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,040 here, they are asking to have 549 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,040 heard and read and understood 550 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,040 the resolution prior to -- 551 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,040 >> My understanding is they want 552 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,040 to have the question period at 553 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,040 the end of the meeting. 554 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,040 >> We could, that's another way 555 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,040 of getting around it. Do we want 556 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,040 to have the question period at 557 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,040 the end of the meeting? Do I 558 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,040 have a mover? Do I have a mover? 559 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,040 [Inaudible] 560 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,040 >> Okay. So -- can we not change 561 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,040 -- 562 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,040 >> I can add -- 563 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,040 >> The can we not have a mover 564 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,040 to change to have question 565 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,040 period at the end of the 566 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,000 meeting? Can we not do that? Is 567 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 that against for? Can I have a 568 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,000 mover to put the question period 569 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,000 at the end of the meeting? 570 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000 >> Sorry, Mister Mayor. As the 571 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000 lady right? Will you pass the 572 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000 resolution and then there is 573 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,000 nothing we can say about it and 574 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000 just ask questions and support 575 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,000 it? 576 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 >> I'm not sure, Nikki. 577 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000 >> Or negate it? 578 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,000 >> I'm not sure. I believe -- 579 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,000 I'm trying now to see if we can 580 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000 do that. 581 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,000 >> I just want to be clear that 582 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000 we all understand. 583 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 >> Absolutely. 584 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 >> I think will be more clear as 585 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000 you hear resolutions tonight, 586 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,000 and I highly suggest it would be 587 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,000 more productive for any of you 588 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,000 to reach out to the Councillor 589 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000 of your district, go for a 590 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,000 coffee, have a one-on-one, and 591 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000 hear exactly why we did this. 592 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Because here having everyone 593 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,000 scream at us when you don't know 594 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,000 what we are trying to propose is 595 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,000 not very useful either. 596 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,000 >> No, then tell us, tell us. So 597 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000 give us permission after you do 598 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,000 the resolution before you vote 599 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 on it for us to comment on it. 600 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,000 >> Let's have coffee, I will 601 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 gladly meet with you. 602 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,060 >> No, no, no, no, no. Mister 603 00:21:01,060 --> 00:21:04,060 Mayor, can you speak about the 604 00:21:04,060 --> 00:21:05,060 resolution, not vote on it, put 605 00:21:05,060 --> 00:21:07,060 a question period for us to ask 606 00:21:07,060 --> 00:21:09,060 the questions, and then you can 607 00:21:09,060 --> 00:21:10,060 vote on it? 608 00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:13,060 >> I would like to move that. 609 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:15,060 I'm not sure if I can. 610 00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:16,060 Procedurally, can I move to have 611 00:21:16,060 --> 00:21:20,060 the question period occur after 612 00:21:20,060 --> 00:21:21,060 -- 613 00:21:21,060 --> 00:21:24,060 >> Before the vote! 614 00:21:24,060 --> 00:21:27,060 >> After an explanation of what 615 00:21:27,060 --> 00:21:32,060 they are voting on, because can 616 00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:34,060 we make -- can you give them 617 00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:35,060 enough information that they can 618 00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:37,060 ask questions pertaining to what 619 00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:39,060 is occurring here in this 620 00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:40,060 meeting, which is the 621 00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:42,060 resolution? They want to speak 622 00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:44,060 -- they want to question the 623 00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:45,060 resolution, but they don't know 624 00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:47,060 it. So for me, is there any way 625 00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:48,060 procedurally we can circumvent 626 00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:50,060 this issue? Is there any way 627 00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:51,060 procedurally we can circumvent 628 00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:54,060 this issue? 629 00:21:54,060 --> 00:21:56,060 >> If everybody wants, I can 630 00:21:56,060 --> 00:22:00,020 read the resolution before. Do 631 00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:03,020 you want the council, that I 632 00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:05,020 read all of the resolutions, so 633 00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:07,020 everyone will understand the 634 00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:08,020 resolution and have their 635 00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:10,020 comments after? 636 00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:12,020 >> Is that okay? Okay, let's 637 00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:14,020 hear the resolution. 638 00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:15,020 >> I will read it in French and 639 00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:17,020 English after. Oui 640 00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:18,020 - Considérant que l'objectif des 641 00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:20,020 membres du conseil municipal de 642 00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:22,020 Pointe-Claire et de gouverner la 643 00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:24,020 ville... 644 00:22:24,020 --> 00:22:28,020 - Non, non. 645 00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:29,020 >> This is why we are doing 646 00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:30,020 this. - Considérant que 647 00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:31,020 l'objectif des membres du 648 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:32,020 conseil municipal de 649 00:22:32,020 --> 00:22:33,020 Pointe-Claire et de gouverner la 650 00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:34,020 ville dans les meilleurs 651 00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:35,020 intérêts des citoyens et 652 00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:37,020 citoyennes de Pointe-Claire. 653 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:38,020 Considérant qu'il devient 654 00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:40,020 difficile de faire avancer le 655 00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:41,020 projet de la ville lorsque le 656 00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:42,020 climat est tendu. Considérant 657 00:22:42,020 --> 00:22:44,020 qu'un fonctionnement optimal des 658 00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:45,020 instances démocratiques repose 659 00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:47,020 notamment sur le respect du rôle 660 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:49,020 de chaque personne. Considérant 661 00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:52,020 que le conseil souhaite que le 662 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:55,020 règlement PC 27, 12 de 663 00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:56,020 Pointe-Claire soient respectés. 664 00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:57,020 Concernant l'attitude du 665 00:22:57,020 --> 00:22:58,020 personnel face à leurs 666 00:22:58,020 --> 00:22:59,020 dynamiques présentes au conseil 667 00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:00,080 municipal. Considérant que le 668 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,080 climat de travail parfois 669 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,080 difficile à la Ville ne peut 670 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,080 être attribuable à une seule 671 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,080 personne ou un groupe d'élus, 672 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,080 mais qu'il s'agit plutôt d'une 673 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,080 responsabilité collective. Il 674 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,080 est proposé par et appuyées de 675 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,080 demander au ministère des 676 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,080 Affaires municipales et de 677 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,080 l'habitation d'accompagner, via 678 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,080 son cadre d'intervention en 679 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,080 matière d'avis de soutien aux 680 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,080 municipalités en gestion 681 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,080 municipale, la ville dans la 682 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,080 recherche de solutions à cette 683 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,080 situation complexe. Que le 684 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,080 conseil municipal demande au 685 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,080 ministère d'identifier la nature 686 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,080 des problématiques et proposer 687 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,080 un plan d'action pour améliorer 688 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,080 le fonctionnement général de la 689 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,080 ville et offrir le soutien du 690 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,080 service spécialisé pour 691 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,080 l'implantation de celui-ci, 692 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,080 d'autoriser la directrice 693 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,080 générale et, en son absence, le 694 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,080 directeur général adjoint, à 695 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,080 signer pour et au nom de la 696 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,080 Ville de Pointe-Claire tous 697 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,080 documents utiles et nécessaires 698 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,080 afin de donner plein effet à la 699 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,080 résolution... présente 700 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,080 résolution. 701 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,080 - Madame Verdon. Without meeting 702 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,080 to be rude, could you prop slow 703 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,080 down a little in the 704 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,080 presentation side, so that they 705 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,080 can understand? 706 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,080 >> She's about to do it in 707 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,080 English. 708 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,080 >> Just that was very quick, and 709 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,080 I found, that I was trying to 710 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,080 understand it, it was going a 711 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,040 little quick. -- The objective 712 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,040 of the members of the 713 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,040 Pointe-Claire City Council is to 714 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,040 govern it in the best interest 715 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,040 of the -- concern is becoming 716 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,040 difficult to advance the city 717 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,040 project when the climate is 718 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,040 tense, concerned that the 719 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,040 optimal functioning of the 720 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,040 democratic body depends on 721 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040 respect of the role of each 722 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040 individual, concerns that the 723 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,040 Council wishes to point call 724 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,040 bylaw P C 20 7:12 respected, 725 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,040 concerning the staff's -- 726 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,040 current dynamic at City Council, 727 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,040 Councillor that the City -- 728 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,040 difficult work climate cannot be 729 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,040 attributed to a single interval, 730 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,040 group, for official, but as 731 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,040 rather a collective 732 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,040 responsibility, is proposed by 733 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,040 us again to recognize the -- 734 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,040 within the framework of the 735 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,040 interpretation for assistance 736 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,040 and supporting municipalities 737 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,040 and municipal management, assist 738 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,040 the city and finding solutions 739 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,040 that is to this complex 740 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,040 situation, that the municipal 741 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000 council has the Ministry to 742 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000 advance the nature of the 743 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000 parliament and propose an action 744 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,000 plan to improve the general 745 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 functioning of the city and 746 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000 offer the support of -- services 747 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000 for implementation, to authorize 748 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000 the city manager in her absence, 749 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 the assistant city manager, to 750 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000 sign in the name of the city of 751 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,000 Pointe-Claire all documents 752 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000 necessary to give full effect to 753 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,000 the present resolution. 754 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:28,000 >> Okay, so Madam Fournier, 755 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,000 would you like one last question 756 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000 now that you've heard that, or 757 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 -- no, apparently that is not 758 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,000 going to happen. It is all going 759 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,000 to get answered. Everybody is 760 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000 going to have something to 761 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000 prepare, prepared speech when we 762 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,000 get to the vote. No, you can't 763 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000 answer -- you have to ask to ask 764 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000 a question. If people have 765 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,000 subsequent questions, who do 766 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,000 they speak to if they want to 767 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000 get on the list? 768 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000 >> Just say their name, and I 769 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,000 will take it down. 770 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,060 >> Okay, do they speak to you, 771 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,060 Madam Gutierrez? But if there 772 00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:05,060 are others who want to get on 773 00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:09,060 the list, how do they do so? 774 00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:11,060 >> -- And there's no one else 775 00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:12,060 who signed up. 776 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:15,060 [Inaudible] 777 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:17,060 -- 778 00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:18,060 >> Are there -- okay. 779 00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:22,060 [Inaudible] 780 00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:24,060 French and English what is being 781 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:29,060 tossed out by now so that -- you 782 00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:35,060 really can't do this. 783 00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:38,060 >> That was my question, how 784 00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:39,060 come the resolution was not 785 00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:41,060 available to us when we came in? 786 00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:44,060 >> Excuse me, sir. Excuse me. 787 00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:45,060 >> Is there a possibility -- 788 00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:47,060 >> Excuse me, sir. 789 00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:50,060 >> Madame Verdun, is there a 790 00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:52,060 possibility that the resolution 791 00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:54,060 is copied and distributed so we 792 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:57,060 can look at it as people talk 793 00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:59,060 and make notes for ourselves, 794 00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:01,020 like we normally have a 795 00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:02,020 document, is that possible that 796 00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:04,020 we have it duplicated now 797 00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:06,020 somewhere, the facilities are 798 00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:09,020 here and then the latest that we 799 00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:13,020 have it in our hands, is that 800 00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:18,020 possible? 801 00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:19,020 >> I can remember a student 802 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:20,020 meeting, and I'm new to the 803 00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:21,020 process, but actually member we 804 00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:23,020 did, somebody actually has to 805 00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:24,020 have it in two languages and we 806 00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:26,020 did start to produce something 807 00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:27,020 in two languages. 808 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:29,020 >> This was a bylaw, not a 809 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:30,020 project of revolution. Because 810 00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:31,020 this is not official, because 811 00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:36,020 you have to vote on before. So. 812 00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:41,020 So we don't have it in our hot 813 00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:44,020 little hands, that was my 814 00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:47,020 question. Okay, well, there are 815 00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:48,020 a lot of things that was, said 816 00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:50,020 and I don't know we should ask 817 00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:51,020 questions, now or I should let 818 00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:53,020 you speak. I'm lost. Please 819 00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,020 guide, me because we have a lot 820 00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:56,020 of comments, but I'm not sure I 821 00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:57,020 should make them before you 822 00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:59,020 talk, because -- 823 00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:00,080 >> Well, you won't have another 824 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,080 chance to speak. 825 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,080 >> When we have a chance again? 826 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,080 >> Do they have a chance to 827 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080 speak? -- 828 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,080 >> Not the vote. 829 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,080 >> Mister Mayor, you are the 830 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,080 chair. 831 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,080 >> I'm asking, procedurally. 832 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,080 >> Yeah, if you want to make 833 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,080 some change, yeah, to propose to 834 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,080 your -- minister of Council. 835 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080 >> So I propose, and I try to do 836 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,080 this earlier, that we allowed to 837 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,080 have a question period after. 838 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,080 >> Before the vote. 839 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080 >> Before the vote. 840 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,080 >> After the councillors have 841 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,080 spoken. 842 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,080 >> No, not before the vote. 843 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,080 After the vote, yes. But not 844 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,080 before the vote. 845 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,080 >> Well, you just tell me 846 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,080 before, why don't I go sit with 847 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,080 my councillor and talk about it? 848 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,080 What's the difference of all of 849 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,080 us talking about it with all of 850 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,080 you now? For clarity, all we are 851 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080 looking for, correct me if I'm 852 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,080 wrong, is clarity, that's all. 853 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,080 >> I understand. 854 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,080 >> This is very confusing, and 855 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,080 it looks like, again, it's a 856 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,080 muddy situation, we are just 857 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,080 going to get snowed and whatever 858 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,080 comes in. I'm not saying it's -- 859 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,040 >> Madam Fournier, people will 860 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,040 present their point of view, 861 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,040 subsequently, after the fact, 862 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,040 and we get to the issue, and you 863 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,040 will hear everybody's stance. 864 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,040 And you will hear what everybody 865 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,040 has to say. And you can ask the 866 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,040 next council meeting, you can 867 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,040 come up and speak to it, if you 868 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,040 like. 869 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,040 >> But by then, it will be 870 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,040 voted, and the people might be 871 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,040 here, correct? Okay, thank you. 872 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,040 Linda Dumas? Pass, okay.. 873 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,040 It's a case, or you've had your 874 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,040 -- mister El Dabee, you've had 875 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,040 your question. Can Mr. El Dabee 876 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,040 have a subsequent question? 877 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,040 >> Mrs. Weaver wanted to ask a 878 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,040 question also. 879 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,040 >> I am terribly disappointed in 880 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,000 what I guess should be a 881 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000 democratic process. What are we? 882 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000 40,000 people? I was called last 883 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,000 night because there is a special 884 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000 meeting. I did get something 885 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000 from -- that said it was a 886 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000 special meeting, not knowing 887 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,000 what this is about. Yes, Madam 888 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000 veteran, wonderful, but none of 889 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000 us, even though my hearing is -- 890 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,000 >> Madame Dumas, can you speak 891 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,000 into the microphone? 892 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000 >> We need those papers if you 893 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,000 want a, as intelligent 894 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,000 processing members of the 895 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000 community to be with you, we 896 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000 vote, we voted for a mayor and 897 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000 councillors, so a year and a 898 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000 half ago, another year and a 899 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,000 half. I may have it all wrong 900 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000 that, well, we do know it's not 901 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000 hidden, it's not under the 902 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,060 table, it's not a secret. The 903 00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:05,060 loading that goes on here, the 904 00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:09,060 wish that Mayor Thomas never was 905 00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:13,060 elected. Mister Bissonnette, 906 00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:16,060 2006, you were here, I spent all 907 00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:19,060 day going through bylaws, 2006, 908 00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:23,060 et cetera. Anyway, it appears to 909 00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:27,060 be such shambles. We, as 910 00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:29,060 constituents, just down to have 911 00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:33,060 a chance to be a part of the 912 00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:36,060 democratic process. What you've 913 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:37,060 read in French and English was 914 00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:39,060 not a very long. It could have 915 00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:43,060 been photocopy'd, or photocopy'd 916 00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:46,060 before -- at some point, so we 917 00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:49,060 could read it. It seems to be 918 00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:52,060 tremendously hopeless, and, 919 00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:53,060 Kelly, we have nothing to say to 920 00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:56,060 one another, unfortunately. 921 00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:57,060 >> I live across the street for 922 00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:59,060 me, we could have a coffee 923 00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:01,020 anytime, honestly. You don't 924 00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:02,020 want to talk to me, but you want 925 00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:04,020 to be informed. No problem. 926 00:32:04,020 --> 00:32:08,020 >> Excuse me, Madame Dumas -- 927 00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:10,020 >> A five-year change. 928 00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:15,020 >> Okay. Okay, now, you can ask 929 00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:20,020 -- 930 00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:21,020 (inaudible) 931 00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:23,020 >> After Mrs. Weaver, sorry. 932 00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:24,020 >> After hearing the resolution, 933 00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:27,020 I think it's reasonable enough 934 00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:30,020 that no one is mentioned here. 935 00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:32,020 It's best to try to get along as 936 00:32:32,020 --> 00:32:34,020 much as possible. I've gone to a 937 00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:36,020 lot of council meetings for 938 00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:39,020 almost, I guess, 14, 12, 14 939 00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:41,020 years, and I never agreed with 940 00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:42,020 everything. I will tell you that 941 00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:45,020 right now. I have walked out. In 942 00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:46,020 the end, it's not really about 943 00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:49,020 me, okay? It is about the city. 944 00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:51,020 Maybe we have to try to get 945 00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:55,020 along. Other places are -- 946 00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:57,020 >> Okay. Did you have a 947 00:32:57,020 --> 00:33:01,080 question, Miss Weaver? 948 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,080 (inaudible) 949 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,080 Can Mr. Aldo be have another 950 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,080 question? 951 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,080 >> After, if we have time. 952 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080 >> Good evening, everybody, 953 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,080 Mister Mayor, council members, 954 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,080 fellow citizens. I am happy to 955 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,080 have the opportunity to be at 956 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,080 the special meeting tonight. 957 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,080 Thank you, Madam Verdon, for 958 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,080 taking the time to read, it for 959 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080 everybody in English and in 960 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,080 French in this tense climate. My 961 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,080 question would be, have we ever 962 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,080 seen this request come forth for 963 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,080 our intervention to improve the 964 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,080 status of the functioning of our 965 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,080 council members with the mayor, 966 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,080 and if we have, have we seen 967 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,080 good results from this? 968 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,080 >> Are you being specific to 969 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,080 Pointe-Claire -- 970 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,080 >> Pointe-Claire or -- 971 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,080 >> I don't know, has this ever 972 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,080 been done before in 973 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,080 Pointe-Claire? No? 974 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,040 >> Not that I -- 975 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,040 >> This has never been done 976 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,040 before in Pointe-Claire. 977 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,040 >> Okay. Do we have information 978 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,040 in terms of the company, how it 979 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,040 works, if it's been done 980 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,040 previously outside of 981 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,040 Pointe-Claire? 982 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,040 >> It is a provincial 983 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,040 government. It's been done 984 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,040 before for sure. There are lots 985 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,040 of examples of what they've done 986 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,040 in the past -- good question, I 987 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,040 don't know the results of the 988 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,040 success, I don't know if anyone 989 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,040 has ever tabulated the success 990 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,040 rates. It's a very interesting 991 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040 statistic. I'd like to see it if 992 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,040 somebody had -- 993 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,040 >> We've all seen, we are new to 994 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,040 Pointe-Claire, attending 995 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,040 meetings and we are grateful to 996 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040 have the opportunity to be here. 997 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,040 We have seen, unfortunately, 998 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,040 some of the happenstance, how 999 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,040 things are going. For me, I'd be 1000 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,040 hopeful that if this is a move 1001 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040 from council members, we would 1002 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,040 see the fruits of this effort 1003 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,040 when we continue to come to 1004 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,040 meetings that we can have good 1005 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000 meetings, and fruitful meetings. 1006 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000 >> So, your concern is with the 1007 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,000 meetings and not the operation 1008 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000 of the city? 1009 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000 >> It kind of -- if this is how 1010 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000 we are functioning in meetings 1011 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 where, us, as citizens, are 1012 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,000 participating, how can we expect 1013 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000 it's better behind the scenes? 1014 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000 >> Because it is. It absolutely 1015 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000 is. 1016 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000 >> We are not there. 1017 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,000 >> You don't know otherwise 1018 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000 either. 1019 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000 >> I don't, but -- 1020 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,000 >> But I do. I will tell you 1021 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,000 right now, the city is actually 1022 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000 the people who come in and work 1023 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000 for the City, they do it with 1024 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 goodwill, enjoy their jobs, for 1025 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,000 the most part, and enjoy what 1026 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000 they do, and they do them well. 1027 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000 I see it every day. From one of 1028 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000 my biggest -- one of the things 1029 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000 I am most perplexed about this 1030 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,000 process, there is some 1031 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000 uncertainty about that. If you 1032 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000 look at how the City operates, 1033 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000 the staff, directors, everybody, 1034 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000 top to bottom, this city runs 1035 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000 like a good machine. It is not 1036 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000 in disarray. It is a good 1037 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000 machine, it runs very well. I 1038 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000 see it on a daily basis. We are 1039 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,060 not in a crisis moment. What you 1040 00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:03,060 see at the political level is 1041 00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:05,060 more symbolic and representative 1042 00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:07,060 of the entire city, that is for 1043 00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:09,060 sure. I see it on a daily basis. 1044 00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:11,060 I see more of it than anybody 1045 00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:12,060 else. 1046 00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:14,060 >> Okay, thank you very much. 1047 00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:15,060 For us, it's hard to know 1048 00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:16,060 because we are not a part of 1049 00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:17,060 that. Thank you so much. 1050 00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:22,060 >> Okay. Can Mr. El Dabee have 1051 00:36:23,060 --> 00:36:25,060 his final question? For Mr. El 1052 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:26,060 Dabee, a question. 1053 00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:27,060 >> Yes. 1054 00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:30,060 >> Okay. 1055 00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:32,060 >> Everybody is confused about 1056 00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:37,060 the resolution. Can we make that 1057 00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:41,060 meeting, next meeting, with the 1058 00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:42,060 resolution written so everybody 1059 00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:44,060 can know what is going on before 1060 00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:46,060 we start the meeting? As usual? 1061 00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:48,060 >> I think we can do that. Can 1062 00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:49,060 we not have this resolution 1063 00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:50,060 prepared for next meeting? 1064 00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:53,060 >> This specific resolution? 1065 00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:54,060 Yes, of course. 1066 00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:55,060 >> Before voting, before 1067 00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:56,060 anything -- 1068 00:36:56,060 --> 00:36:57,060 >> Not before we are voting, we 1069 00:36:57,060 --> 00:36:59,060 having the vote, Mr. El Dabee. 1070 00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:00,020 You can get a copy for next 1071 00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:01,020 meeting. 1072 00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:03,020 >> No, we want to know before we 1073 00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:04,020 start voting so -- 1074 00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:05,020 >> No. 1075 00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:06,020 >> That is what everybody wants. 1076 00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:08,020 >> I know that. I feel badly -- 1077 00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:11,020 >> The city, we elect you to get 1078 00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:12,020 the information -- 1079 00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:14,020 >> I have asked, Mister El 1080 00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:16,020 Dabee, I have asked for that. 1081 00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:17,020 Apparently we can't do. That I 1082 00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:18,020 have already asked. 1083 00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:19,020 >> The citizens -- 1084 00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:21,020 >> Mr. El Dabee, I have asked 1085 00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:24,020 and that is not going to happen. 1086 00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:25,020 Thank you -- 1087 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:26,020 >> So -- 1088 00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:27,020 >> Thank you. 1089 00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:28,020 >> So -- 1090 00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:29,020 >> Thank you, Mister El Dabee. 1091 00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:30,020 >> One second -- 1092 00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:34,020 >> Mr. -- mister El Dabee. 1093 00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:39,020 >> Yes? What are the rules? 1094 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:43,020 There are subsequent questions 1095 00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:44,020 allowed, or they're not? In 1096 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:45,020 question period? 1097 00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:48,020 >> You chair the meeting, you 1098 00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:49,020 have the right to accept. 1099 00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:52,020 >> One more, Miss Conway. 1100 00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:54,020 >> I would like to know what 1101 00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:57,020 could the mechanism be in place 1102 00:37:57,020 --> 00:38:01,080 to, and this process, to -- 1103 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,080 >> One, how, who decides when 1104 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,080 this stops, and how long might 1105 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,080 it last, and what is the 1106 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,080 decision about when it stops? 1107 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,080 Who decides that? What is the 1108 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,080 process for that? 1109 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,080 >> What is the process? Madame 1110 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,080 Verdon? 1111 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,080 >> The Ministry that will decide 1112 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,080 the process. They will decide 1113 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,080 when it stops. 1114 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,080 >> How long, normally, does 1115 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,080 MAMH, do they stay in the city, 1116 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,080 how long do they conduct their 1117 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,080 operations? I'm curious to know. 1118 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,080 I think it's a good question. 1119 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080 >> It will depend on the planet 1120 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,080 will do, so I can't answer that 1121 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,080 question now. 1122 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,080 >> Okay. 1123 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080 >> Could be a question of weeks, 1124 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,080 months? Hopefully not years. It 1125 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080 has been done elsewhere before. 1126 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,080 >> Only a year and a half left, 1127 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,080 and it hopefully won't be years. 1128 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,080 >> What does that joke? I don't 1129 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,080 appreciate the joke -- 1130 00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,080 >> There's only a year and a 1131 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,040 half left, so hopefully we can 1132 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,040 resolve this much before that 1133 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,040 time. Essentially, all that 1134 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,040 Council is asking for is to have 1135 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,040 the help that is being offered 1136 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,040 by the minister who oversees 1137 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,040 municipal affairs to give us 1138 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,040 tools and to come in, assess the 1139 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,040 issues, and help us work 1140 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040 together towards resolving 1141 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,040 issues. What happens is, things 1142 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,040 get bogged down, things don't 1143 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,040 advance as quickly, necessarily, 1144 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,040 as they could. In public 1145 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,040 meetings, as you have seen, 1146 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,040 things can go awry quite easily, 1147 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,040 et cetera. All this resolution 1148 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,040 is saying is that there is a 1149 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,040 tense climate, there have been 1150 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,040 issues, we have taken multiple 1151 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,040 steps to try to resolve these 1152 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,040 issues throughout the term. That 1153 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,040 hasn't worked. This help is 1154 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,040 offered by the Ministry, so we 1155 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,040 are requesting they come in and 1156 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,040 offer us the help. We don't know 1157 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,040 what they are going to do 1158 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,040 because they have to come in and 1159 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,040 observe, assess the situation, 1160 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,040 and then they will decide what 1161 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,000 tools, what mechanisms, et 1162 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,000 cetera, need to be put in place. 1163 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000 It will help us move forward in 1164 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,000 the best way possible. There 1165 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,000 isn't much to the resolution in 1166 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000 and of itself, it basically just 1167 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000 says we are not functioning at 1168 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000 our optimal, and we would like 1169 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000 help from the minister, and 1170 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000 outside sources, to give us the 1171 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000 tool so we can function in a 1172 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000 better way for the rest of the 1173 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000 term. 1174 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000 >> Thank you. 1175 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000 >> Miss Conway? 1176 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000 >> Thank you for articulating 1177 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000 that. 1178 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000 >> If I can just, I will read 1179 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000 you a clause of the resolution. 1180 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000 The municipal council asked the 1181 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000 Ministry to identify the nature 1182 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,000 of the problems that propose an 1183 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,000 action plan to improve the 1184 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000 general functioning of the city, 1185 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000 and offer the support of 1186 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000 specialized services for its 1187 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000 implementation. So, take that as 1188 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000 you wish. That, for me, allows 1189 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000 an awful lot of latitude, in my 1190 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000 opinion, which could be good and 1191 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000 could be bad. It does offer an 1192 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,000 awful lot of latitude. 1193 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,060 >> Tara, to continue on that 1194 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:02,060 line of thought, in your vision, 1195 00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:05,060 by the question of weeks, a few 1196 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:07,060 months? 1197 00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:08,060 >> I can't really answer that 1198 00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:10,060 because I am not in that 1199 00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:12,060 position at the Ministry. I 1200 00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:14,060 don't know what their process 1201 00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:16,060 is. We know that we can ask for 1202 00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:18,060 help. That is what we've done. 1203 00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:20,060 We don't know the decisions they 1204 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:23,060 will make, or the things they 1205 00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:25,060 will recommend. I don't even 1206 00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:27,060 know if they will answer us 1207 00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:29,060 within two, three weeks. I don't 1208 00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:31,060 know, we don't know any of that. 1209 00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:32,060 I would have to pass the 1210 00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:35,060 resolution so we can make the 1211 00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:36,060 request. 1212 00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:37,060 >> Maybe it will be a good thing 1213 00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:42,060 after all if they can follow our 1214 00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:45,060 bylaws, and one developers get 1215 00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:47,060 permits, they will be forced to 1216 00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:48,060 follow the bylaws. That could be 1217 00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:50,060 a good thing. Thank you. 1218 00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:53,060 >> Okay. 1219 00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:55,060 >> Louise boomer was next on the 1220 00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:56,060 list. 1221 00:41:56,060 --> 00:42:01,020 >> Thank you. 1222 00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:03,020 >> I'm going to make this short 1223 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,020 and sweet. Obviously, all been 1224 00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:09,020 want is transparency, which has 1225 00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:12,020 not been here for this so-called 1226 00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:14,020 or solution. You are going to 1227 00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:16,020 pass a resolution, and then you 1228 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:18,020 are asking us, afterwards, do 1229 00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:21,020 you have questions. It's been 1230 00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:24,020 obvious there's been a lot of 1231 00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:27,020 dysfunction, with this council. 1232 00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:28,020 Please, can you respect each 1233 00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:30,020 other and us and work together, 1234 00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:34,020 and not giving up on each other? 1235 00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:37,020 That is all I ask, transparency, 1236 00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:40,020 please. Really, this is 1237 00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:42,020 nonsense. Thank you. 1238 00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:45,020 >> Albert? 1239 00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:57,020 >> I have a question on -- thank 1240 00:42:57,020 --> 00:43:00,080 you. A question on the process 1241 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,080 if this resolution is passed and 1242 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,080 you get the assistance of the 1243 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,080 Ministry, does the Ministry 1244 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,080 you've been describing give you, 1245 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,080 coaching new to work better 1246 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,080 together and some sort of 1247 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,080 counselling that you are 1248 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,080 getting, do they have the 1249 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,080 authority to impose structures 1250 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,080 on you after, as part of their 1251 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,080 report? 1252 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,080 >> They do. 1253 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,080 >> They do? 1254 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,080 >> Yes. 1255 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,080 >> Okay, so you are going to 1256 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,080 push all the money out and make 1257 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,080 the bed. 1258 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,080 >> I am not pushing that money 1259 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,080 out. Councillor Stork? 1260 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,080 >> I think the proper reply is 1261 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,080 we don't know exactly what 1262 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,080 they're going to. Do they will 1263 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,080 come and look, assess the 1264 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,080 situation, and I'm hoping, or 1265 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,080 understanding that they will 1266 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,080 probably speak to people. They 1267 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,080 might decide to speak to 1268 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,080 citizens. I don't know. There is 1269 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,080 a full spectrum of what might 1270 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,080 happen. They might come in, say 1271 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,080 it's not bad, you just have to 1272 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,040 learn to get a longer bit 1273 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,040 better. You have a job to do. 1274 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,040 You know, and leave. They might 1275 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,040 come back and say there is a 1276 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,040 serious problem, and worst-case 1277 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,040 an area is a trusteeship, which 1278 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,040 I don't think will happen. We 1279 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,040 don't know. We are -- 1280 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,040 >> Councillor Stork, Councillor 1281 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,040 Stainforth, would you like to 1282 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,040 speak? Part of the issue is the 1283 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,040 proper procedures should be 1284 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,040 followed, and people should not 1285 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,040 intervene. There is a chair, and 1286 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,040 in order to keep the quorum in a 1287 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,040 meeting, and prevent debates at 1288 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,040 Council, we have an order of 1289 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,040 people speaking. 1290 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,040 >> Yes, Councillor Stainforth? 1291 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,040 >> Thank you, Mister Mayor. 1292 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,040 Sorry, Eric. The body that will 1293 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,040 come in cannot put us into 1294 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,040 trusteeship. They will 1295 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,040 recommend, if they think that it 1296 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,040 is very bad, then it goes, it's 1297 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,040 recommended to a different body 1298 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,040 at which point other steps are 1299 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,040 taken. 1300 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,000 >> Basically a stage one 1301 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,000 intervention? 1302 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,000 >> This is a stage one 1303 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000 intervention. 1304 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000 >> Thank you very much. 1305 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000 >> And, Mr. Eskenazi, if I could 1306 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000 add to that, my comment on 1307 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000 Councillor Stork's response, if 1308 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,000 you don't know what they are 1309 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000 going to do, why are we giving 1310 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,000 it, and why are we putting the 1311 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,000 city at risk? 1312 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,000 >> That was my metaphor. 1313 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,000 >> Keith Kelly? 1314 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,000 >> Short and sweet, I'm a 1315 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000 longtime citizen of 1316 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000 Pointe-Claire, sat in many 1317 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000 council meetings. We have a 1318 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000 council group here today, many 1319 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000 of them have been here for many 1320 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000 years, and have done a great 1321 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,000 job. Pointe-Claire has moved 1322 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000 along very, very well, there are 1323 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000 stumbling blocks at times, but 1324 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,000 they get fixed. My last six 1325 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,000 months of meetings here are 1326 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,060 atrocious. There is a problem, 1327 00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:04,060 and I am sure this group is 1328 00:46:04,060 --> 00:46:06,060 coming in from Québec that will 1329 00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:07,060 resolve it, hit the nail on the 1330 00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:10,060 head, and will fix things up. 1331 00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:11,060 That's it, thank you. 1332 00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:13,060 >> Mr. Kelly, just to point 1333 00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:17,060 something out, during the last 1334 00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:19,060 mandate, prior to mine, during 1335 00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:21,060 the last administration, I 1336 00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:23,060 witnessed 500 people in a room 1337 00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:26,060 in anger and irate, and I 1338 00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:28,060 watched people get thrown out of 1339 00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:30,060 Council on a regular basis. I 1340 00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:32,060 watched a very upset community, 1341 00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:35,060 which actually led, eventually, 1342 00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:37,060 to a different election. The 1343 00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:39,060 election resulted. I saw rancor 1344 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:42,060 and discord in the last 1345 00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:44,060 administration that involved far 1346 00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:46,060 more people, and far more people 1347 00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:48,060 getting upset, particularly over 1348 00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:50,060 the pioneer issue, where a 1349 00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:52,060 roomful of 500 people were 1350 00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:54,060 shocked and dismayed. Mr. Kelly, 1351 00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:56,060 it is not for you to tell me 1352 00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:58,060 want to stop speaking from the 1353 00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:01,020 audience. So, just to put things 1354 00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:04,020 in a comparative perspective, I 1355 00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:05,020 remember, it because I was a 1356 00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:06,020 citizen during that period, and 1357 00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:09,020 that is why I run for office, so 1358 00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:11,020 we did not have that kind of 1359 00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:12,020 thing happening again. We 1360 00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:13,020 haven't had that kind of thing 1361 00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:14,020 happening again. You don't have 1362 00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:17,020 500 people in a room screaming, 1363 00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:18,020 yelling, very upset at the 1364 00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:21,020 outcomes. So, if you want to get 1365 00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:23,020 comparative, we can take it a 1366 00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:24,020 long way. You are welcome, Mr. 1367 00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:26,020 Kelly. Thank you for the 1368 00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:27,020 opportunity to answer that 1369 00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:30,020 question. Are there -- 1370 00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:31,020 >> No more names. 1371 00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:36,020 >> No more? Okay. So -- 6.1. 1372 00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:40,020 - 6.1 Demande d'accompagnement 1373 00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:41,020 du Ministère des Affaires 1374 00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:42,020 municipales et de l'Habitation 1375 00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:43,020 (MAMH) 1376 00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:44,020 . 6.1, Request for support from 1377 00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:45,020 the Ministère des Affaires 1378 00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:50,020 municipales et de l'Habitation 1379 00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:52,020 >> Should we read it over again? 1380 00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:53,020 >> Want me to read -- 1381 00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:54,020 >> We can do it again 1382 00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:56,020 >> You want me to read again? 1383 00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:57,020 >> A little more slowly 1384 00:47:57,020 --> 00:48:02,080 >> No problem. 1385 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,080 (---) 1386 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,080 Dans le meilleur intérêt des 1387 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,080 citoyens et citoyennes de 1388 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,080 Pointe-Claire. Considérant qu'il 1389 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,080 devient difficile de faire 1390 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,080 avancer le projet de la ville 1391 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,080 lorsque le climat est tendu. 1392 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,080 Considérant qu'un fonctionnement 1393 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,080 optimal des instances 1394 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,080 démocratiques repose notamment 1395 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,080 sur le respect du rôle de chaque 1396 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,080 personne. Considérant que le 1397 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,080 conseil souhaite que le 1398 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,080 règlement PC 27-12 de 1399 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,080 Pointe-Claire soit respectée. 1400 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,080 Considérant l'inquiétude du 1401 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,080 personnel face à la dynamique 1402 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,080 présente au conseil municipal. 1403 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,080 Considérant que le climat de 1404 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,080 travail parfois difficile à la 1405 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,080 Ville ne peut être attribuée à 1406 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,080 une seule personne ou un groupe 1407 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,080 d'élus, mais qu'il s'agit plutôt 1408 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,080 d'une responsabilité collective. 1409 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,080 Il est proposé par et appuyées 1410 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,080 de demander au ministère des 1411 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,080 Affaires municipales et de 1412 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,080 l'habitation d'accompagner, via 1413 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,080 son cadre d'intervention en 1414 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,080 matière d'aide et de soutien aux 1415 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,080 municipalités en gestion 1416 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,080 municipale, la ville dans la 1417 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,080 recherche de solutions à cette 1418 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,080 situation complexe. Que le 1419 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,080 conseil municipal demande au 1420 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,080 ministère d'identifier la nature 1421 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,080 des problématiques et proposent 1422 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,080 un plan d'action pour améliorer 1423 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,080 le fonctionnement général de la 1424 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,080 ville et offrir le service... le 1425 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,040 soutien de services spécialisés 1426 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,040 pour l'implantation de celle-ci, 1427 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,040 d'autoriser la directrice 1428 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,040 générale ou, en son absence, le 1429 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,040 directeur général adjoint à 1430 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,040 signer pour et au nom de la 1431 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,040 Ville de Pointe-Claire tous 1432 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,040 documents utiles et nécessaires 1433 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,040 à mettre en effet la présente 1434 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,040 résolution. Considering the 1435 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,040 objective of the members of the 1436 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040 Pointe-Claire City Council is to 1437 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,040 govern the city in the best 1438 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,040 interest of the citizens of 1439 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,040 Pointe-Claire. It's become 1440 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,040 difficult to advance the city 1441 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,040 project on the -- considering 1442 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,040 the optimal functioning of the 1443 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,040 democratic bodies depends in 1444 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,040 particular on respect of the 1445 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,040 role of each individual, 1446 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,040 considering that the Council 1447 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,040 wishes to Pointe-Claire bylaw PC 1448 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,040 27-12 respected, considering the 1449 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,040 staff concern about the current 1450 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,040 pandemic at the City Council, 1451 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,040 considering that the City -- 1452 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,040 where it's climate cannot be 1453 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,040 attributed to a single 1454 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,040 individual, group of elected 1455 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,040 officials, but is rather a 1456 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,040 collective responsibility this 1457 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,040 proposed but -- to request the 1458 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,040 Ministère des Affaires 1459 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,000 municipales et de l'Habitation 1460 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,000 within the framework of the 1461 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000 intervention for assistance and 1462 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,000 support in municipalities and 1463 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000 municipal management assist the 1464 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000 city in finding solutions of 1465 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,000 this complex situation, that the 1466 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,000 Municipal consign has ministry 1467 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,000 -- nature of the problem and 1468 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,000 propose an action plan to 1469 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000 improve the general functioning 1470 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,000 of the city, and offer the 1471 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000 support and special services 1472 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,000 with implementations to -- city 1473 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,000 manager in absence, assistant 1474 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,000 city managers to sign for in the 1475 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,000 name of the city of 1476 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,000 Pointe-Claire, all documents 1477 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000 necessary to give full effect to 1478 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000 the present resolution 1479 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,000 - Merci, Madame Verdon. 1480 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,000 >> Thank you very much for that. 1481 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,000 I appreciate it. Pour la 1482 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,000 raquette de support pour le 1483 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,000 ministre des Affaires 1484 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,000 municipales et de l'habitation, 1485 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,000 MAMH. For support Ministère des 1486 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,000 Affaires municipales et de 1487 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,000 l'Habitation, MAMH, do I have a 1488 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000 mover? 1489 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,000 >> Yes, Kelly Thorstad-Cullen, 1490 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,000 district three. 1491 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000 >> Seconder? 1492 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,000 >> Paul Bissonnette, district 2. 1493 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,000 >> Before proceeding, I think we 1494 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000 should allow those who would 1495 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,000 like to speak to the resolution. 1496 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,000 We will start with Councillor 1497 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,060 Cowan from district 8 and work 1498 00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:02,060 our way down. 1499 00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:06,060 >> Thank you. The lady said you 1500 00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:08,060 want transparency, you do, and 1501 00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:10,060 we do, everybody wants 1502 00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:13,060 transparency. You have said also 1503 00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:16,060 that this is nonsense. It is 1504 00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:17,060 nonsense. That is the whole 1505 00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:19,060 point. We are trying to get 1506 00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:21,060 through that. If you don't 1507 00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,060 understand what's going on, 1508 00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:25,060 there is a problem. We are all 1509 00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:27,060 trying to find a solution to 1510 00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:32,060 that problem. The solution that 1511 00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:33,060 we, Council, is contemplating, 1512 00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:35,060 the resolution before us right 1513 00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:38,060 now to vote on, is to ask for 1514 00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:40,060 help because we are unable to 1515 00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:42,060 get to the answer ourselves. We 1516 00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:44,060 are unable to provide you with 1517 00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:45,060 transparency, provide you with 1518 00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:47,060 the end to the nonsense. That is 1519 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,060 what we are reaching out to the 1520 00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:51,060 Ministry to do, that is what 1521 00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:53,060 that branch of the ministry is 1522 00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:55,060 there for. You have seen in the 1523 00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:58,060 news, this is not this kind of 1524 00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:59,060 problem not unique to 1525 00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:01,020 Pointe-Claire. It is endemic 1526 00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:03,020 across the province, something 1527 00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:07,020 like 700 and more city elected 1528 00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:08,020 officials across the province 1529 00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:10,020 who have resigned since the 1530 00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:11,020 election of 2021 because of this 1531 00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:14,020 kind of thing. If you want to be 1532 00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:16,020 governed, we've got to be able 1533 00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:19,020 to do this better. We are trying 1534 00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:22,020 our best to do it better. We 1535 00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:23,020 need help. That's what we've 1536 00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:25,020 decided. That is the motion 1537 00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:29,020 before us now. If decision -- 1538 00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:31,020 yes, the administration of the 1539 00:52:31,020 --> 00:52:33,020 City is working very well, 1540 00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:34,020 garbage is getting picked, up 1541 00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:36,020 there are some complaints, snow 1542 00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:38,020 gets removed, there are get 1543 00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:41,020 complaints. The city works. It 1544 00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:43,020 takes over. The big decisions 1545 00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:44,020 aren't happening very well. The 1546 00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:46,020 big decisions aren't happening 1547 00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:48,020 well that filter down. If 1548 00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:49,020 decision-making and 1549 00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:50,020 implementation of those 1550 00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:52,020 decisions were working well, you 1551 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:54,020 would see it reflected up here. 1552 00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:56,020 What you see reflected here is 1553 00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:58,020 reflecting something else in the 1554 00:52:58,020 --> 00:53:00,080 administration. In the 1555 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,080 management of the whole city. I 1556 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,080 mean, you know this as an issue, 1557 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,080 we know it, and they know it. We 1558 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,080 have got to do better. For that 1559 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,080 reason, I'm going to be 1560 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,080 supporting this resolution. 1561 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,080 Thank you. 1562 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,080 >> Excuse me, if we could 1563 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,080 refrain from talking when the 1564 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,080 councillors are speaking. 1565 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,080 Councillor Cousineau? 1566 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,080 - Merci, Monsieur le Maire, de 1567 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,080 me donner la parole. Dans mes 1568 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,080 notes, je dis, sans prétendre 1569 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,080 savoir où connaître le résultat 1570 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,080 de cet exercice, je crois que 1571 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,080 c'est absolument nécessaire. Et 1572 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,080 ma responsabilité est de tenter 1573 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,080 d'ajuster le ton du déroulement 1574 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,080 des séances. 1575 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,080 >> An English. Without 1576 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,080 pretending to know the result of 1577 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,080 this exercise, I believe it is 1578 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,080 my responsibility to try to 1579 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,080 reinstate the tone of public 1580 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,040 meetings. Thank you. 1581 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,040 >> Councillor Stainforth? 1582 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,040 - Merci. Alors, j'ai choisi de 1583 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,040 soutenir cette résolution 1584 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,040 proposée par mes collègues pour 1585 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,040 de multiples raisons. Quiconque 1586 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,040 a suivi les réunions publiques 1587 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,040 du conseil a pu se faire une 1588 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,040 idée des problèmes plus profonds 1589 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,040 qui se pose. Ils ne seront pas 1590 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,040 surpris par cette résolution. 1591 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,040 Bien que différentes mesures 1592 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,040 aient été prises pour tenter 1593 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,040 d'améliorer le climat de 1594 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,040 travail, les problèmes 1595 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,040 persistent. Je me préoccupe 1596 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,040 avant tout du bien-être de notre 1597 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,040 personnel, de nos habitants, qui 1598 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,040 osent se présenter aux réunions 1599 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,040 publiques, mais je ne serais pas 1600 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,040 sincère si j'excluait la santé 1601 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,040 et bien-être des membres du 1602 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,040 conseil et de nos familles. Bien 1603 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,040 que je ne m'attends pas à ce que 1604 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,040 quelqu'un vienne tout régler 1605 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,040 d'un coup de baguette magique, 1606 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,040 j'espère qu'avec cette 1607 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,040 résolution, nous recevrons de 1608 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,040 l'aide pour garantir que les 1609 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,040 mécanismes soient mis en place 1610 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,040 et que des outils soient données 1611 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,000 pour aider tout le monde a aller 1612 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,000 de l'avant d'une manière plus 1613 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000 positive et plus saine. In 1614 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,000 English, I have chosen to 1615 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,000 support this resolution proposed 1616 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,000 by my colleagues for multiple 1617 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000 reasons this resolution will be 1618 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000 no surprise to anyone who has 1619 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,000 watched public council meetings, 1620 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000 and gleaned a shimmer of the 1621 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,000 deeper issues taking place. 1622 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,000 While different steps have been 1623 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,000 taken to try to improve the work 1624 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,000 climate, issues persist. I'm 1625 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,000 primarily concerned for the 1626 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,000 welfare of our staff as well as 1627 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,000 for those who present themselves 1628 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,000 at public meetings. I would not 1629 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,000 be truthful if I excluded the 1630 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000 health and well-being of council 1631 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,000 members and our families. I do 1632 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000 not expect someone to come in 1633 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,000 and way they want to fix 1634 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,000 everything, I hope this 1635 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,000 resolution, with this 1636 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,000 resolution, we will be provided 1637 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,000 with help to ensure mechanisms 1638 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,000 are put in place, and tools are 1639 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,000 given to help everyone move 1640 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000 forward in a more positive and 1641 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,000 healthy way. 1642 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,000 >> Councillor Bissonnette? 1643 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,000 - Bonsoir. >> Good evening. I 1644 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000 will be brief, I won't be too 1645 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,060 long. I have a couple of 1646 00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:02,060 evenings. As an example, the 1647 00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:04,060 public meeting, like every 1648 00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:05,060 public meeting, is a very 1649 00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:07,060 important meeting, the meeting 1650 00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:10,060 where citizens find out about 1651 00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:13,060 projects going on. These 1652 00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:14,060 meetings that are being 1653 00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:16,060 conducted since I've been in 1654 00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:19,060 this term, fairly repeatedly, 1655 00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:22,060 are badly managed, bottom line. 1656 00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:24,060 Tonight is a difficult example. 1657 00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:26,060 What I'm getting at, you will 1658 00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:27,060 see I'm going to cover a couple 1659 00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:30,060 of articles here. There is a 1660 00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:32,060 bylaw, and it's mentioned here 1661 00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:35,060 very clearly, 20 7:12, 1662 00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:37,060 considering the majority of 1663 00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:39,060 Council wishes to see 1664 00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:42,060 Pointe-Claire bylaw respected, 1665 00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:46,060 okay? That, you are talking 1666 00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:49,060 transparency, it is not working 1667 00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:50,060 together, that bylaw is not 1668 00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:53,060 being respected. It's not a 1669 00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:55,060 free-for-all. So, what I want to 1670 00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:58,060 refer to that, it's the public 1671 00:56:58,060 --> 00:57:00,020 question, the bylaw has several 1672 00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:01,020 items, but one of them is the 1673 00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:03,020 public question, which is 1674 00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:05,020 article number six. That one 1675 00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:09,020 says, it pertains to the 1676 00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:10,020 frequent failure of the chairman 1677 00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:13,020 to enforce the bylaw. He may 1678 00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:14,020 have his reasons for it, but 1679 00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:16,020 there is a bylaw, and the bylaw 1680 00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:20,020 is supposed to be followed. Le 1681 00:57:20,020 --> 00:57:22,020 président, comme j'ai dit, les 1682 00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:23,020 président de l'assemblée doivent 1683 00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:25,020 faire respecter les règlements 1684 00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:27,020 qui sont en vigueur. Ce n'est 1685 00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:31,020 pas une question de 1686 00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:32,020 (---) 1687 00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:33,020 un peu plus et d'autres 1688 00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:34,020 questions, n'importe quoi. C'est 1689 00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:35,020 une réunion importante. C'est 1690 00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:37,020 important pour parler de choses 1691 00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:38,020 et donner des raisons, des 1692 00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:40,020 explications. I would like to 1693 00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:43,020 cover a couple of these articles 1694 00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:47,020 in the bylaw. Number 57, 57 here 1695 00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:52,020 says each person may ask a first 1696 00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:55,020 question with a short preamble 1697 00:57:55,020 --> 00:57:59,020 and a second without a preamble 1698 00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:01,080 in many instances, that's not 1699 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,080 happening. Furthermore, when 1700 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,080 three different people have 1701 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,080 already asked a question on the 1702 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,080 same subject, the subject may no 1703 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,080 longer be the object of the new 1704 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,080 questions before the question 1705 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,080 period and goes to the next 1706 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:17,080 council. Article 59, questions 1707 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,080 may only contain the words 1708 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080 necessary to obtain the 1709 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,080 information requested. The 1710 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,080 question is, you want the 1711 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,080 information. It is not a 1712 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,080 monologue, it's not someone else 1713 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,080 up selling his product, or 1714 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,080 whatever. It contains a question 1715 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,080 is out of order when it contains 1716 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,080 a hypothesis, a deduction, or an 1717 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,080 attribution of motives. The 1718 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,080 answer it requires will 1719 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,080 constitute a professional 1720 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,080 opinion or a personal 1721 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,080 evaluation, like we did this 1722 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,080 evening. That is out of order. 1723 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,080 Pending -- requests or the 1724 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,080 matter under investigation where 1725 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,080 the words spoken maybe 1726 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,080 prejudicial to a person or 1727 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,040 reveal part of the evidence or 1728 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,040 argument. It contains abusive 1729 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,040 comet, it contains personal 1730 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,040 attacks, innuendo, swearing, or 1731 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,040 obscenities. Number 61, the 1732 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,040 chairman must ensure that the 1733 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,040 question period does not give 1734 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,040 way to any debate, either 1735 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,040 between members of Council, or 1736 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,040 between a member of Council and 1737 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:25,040 a person present. 1738 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,040 (inaudible) 1739 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,040 The chairman may limit a point 1740 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,040 of order in any person in 1741 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,040 violation of this bylaw or who 1742 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,040 exceeds the time on loan allowed 1743 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,040 for the question period, or the 1744 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,040 right of any person presents to 1745 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,040 ask questions. In order of the 1746 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,040 quorum, it cannot be maintained, 1747 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,040 the chairman may adjourn the 1748 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,040 council meeting. The public must 1749 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,040 obey an order from the president 1750 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,040 or the meeting related to order, 1751 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,040 and decorum. So, if you look at 1752 00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,040 our meeting, and it was 1753 00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,040 mentioned previously this 1754 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,000 evening about how the meetings 1755 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,000 are, and I have, heard and we 1756 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000 have heard from many of you 1757 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,000 people who have come here, how 1758 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,000 dysfunctional it is, don't know 1759 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000 what's going on, it's a 1760 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,000 free-for-all, well that is why. 1761 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,000 You follow these rules, there's 1762 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,000 a lot more organization to it. 1763 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,000 Just a comment, what we are 1764 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,000 passing tonight is this 1765 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,000 resolution. We realize we need 1766 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,000 help. This thing covers it very 1767 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,000 well. The municipal council is 1768 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,000 asking the Ministry, municipal 1769 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,000 affairs, province of Québec, the 1770 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,000 -- identify the nature of 1771 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000 problems and propose an action 1772 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,000 plan to improve the general 1773 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,000 functioning of the city, okay? 1774 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,000 The city is made up of elected 1775 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,000 officials, where is the 1776 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,000 administration, Council, the 1777 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,000 mayor. We offer support in 1778 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,000 specialized services for 1779 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,000 implementation. This is not a 1780 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,000 joke. There's nothing hiding 1781 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,060 here, an opportunity for us, and 1782 01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:05,060 we will take advantage of it is 1783 01:01:05,060 --> 01:01:06,060 if we could get some suggestions 1784 01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:09,060 on how we can do things, or 1785 01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:12,060 approach issues. So, anyway. 1786 01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:17,060 Thank you. 1787 01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:18,060 >> Councillor Homan? 1788 01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:19,060 >> Good evening. I'm going to be 1789 01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:21,060 short. I support this resolution 1790 01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:22,060 because, for the last two and a 1791 01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:25,060 half years, we have been trying 1792 01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:29,060 many different ways to work 1793 01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:30,060 together, and it's been quite a 1794 01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:32,060 struggle. As we see how the 1795 01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:33,060 meetings have been running, 1796 01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:34,060 tonight was a fine example, 1797 01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:37,060 there is lack of respect, lack 1798 01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:39,060 of leadership, and I think that 1799 01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:41,060 we need to get back to the 1800 01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:43,060 basics and follow our bylaws. 1801 01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:45,060 This opportunity, through the 1802 01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:47,060 government, is going to help us, 1803 01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:49,060 give us guidance that we are 1804 01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:50,060 struggling with right now. I 1805 01:01:50,060 --> 01:01:52,060 have to remind people that we 1806 01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:54,060 don't all agree, and never have 1807 01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:57,060 always agreed. This is my third 1808 01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:59,060 mandate we are independent 1809 01:01:59,060 --> 01:02:01,020 candidates. We all come with our 1810 01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:03,020 own beliefs to the table, and we 1811 01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:05,020 have to work together to find 1812 01:02:05,020 --> 01:02:08,020 ways to find either a compromise 1813 01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:10,020 or a consensus. That's what we 1814 01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:12,020 are struggling to do. For me, I 1815 01:02:12,020 --> 01:02:14,020 support this resolution because 1816 01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:15,020 we are not getting things moving 1817 01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:17,020 ahead like we should. That is 1818 01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:20,020 not fair to the citizens. Having 1819 01:02:20,020 --> 01:02:21,020 free falls at the public 1820 01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:24,020 meetings is exhausting. It is 1821 01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:25,020 really, really tiring. I have 1822 01:02:25,020 --> 01:02:27,020 never seen such lack of respect 1823 01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:29,020 before in my life. I will be 1824 01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:31,020 supporting this resolution, and 1825 01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:32,020 hoping that the government will 1826 01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:35,020 be able to guide us into the 1827 01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:36,020 right ways in the next year and 1828 01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:38,020 a half of this mandate. Thank 1829 01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:39,020 you. 1830 01:02:39,020 --> 01:02:41,020 >> Councillor Tremblay? 1831 01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:43,020 >> Thank you, Mister Mayor. I 1832 01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:46,020 can recall, on many occasions, 1833 01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:47,020 in the previous mandate, and 1834 01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:48,020 even in the mandate that was 1835 01:02:48,020 --> 01:02:52,020 before that, so, to situate you, 1836 01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:56,020 the mandate under the Belvedere 1837 01:02:56,020 --> 01:02:57,020 administration, the Trudeau 1838 01:02:57,020 --> 01:02:58,020 administration, sitting in the 1839 01:02:58,020 --> 01:03:00,080 audience as you were, on many 1840 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,080 occasions, seeing things come 1841 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,080 apart it is not the first time 1842 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:05,080 there have been situations here 1843 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,080 that have absolutely, I would 1844 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,080 agree with Councillor Homan, it 1845 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,080 is discouraging to listen to 1846 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,080 time after time. This whole 1847 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,080 culture, this whole business of 1848 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,080 what transpires at council 1849 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,080 meetings is not new to this one. 1850 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:24,080 It's not new to this one. If you 1851 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,080 read, when you get an 1852 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,080 opportunity, to read the 1853 01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,080 resolution, it doesn't only 1854 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:33,080 speak to PC 27-12, it asks for 1855 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,080 more. That is where I began to 1856 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,080 get worried. Let me read you my 1857 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,080 statement on where I stand on 1858 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,080 this position. Merci, Monsieur 1859 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,080 le Maire. Mesdames et Messieurs, 1860 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,080 merci. C'est de résolution est 1861 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,080 symbolique de la culture 1862 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,080 politique qui règne au sein du 1863 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,080 conseil municipal de 1864 01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,080 Pointe-Claire. En effet, le 1865 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,080 style politique auquel nous 1866 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,080 assistons ce soir n'est pas 1867 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,080 apparu en 2021, ni à n'importe 1868 01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,040 quel moment à ce mandat. C'est 1869 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,040 un héritage du mandat précédent, 1870 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,040 peut-être même des années 1871 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,040 précédentes. Ayant vécu dans cet 1872 01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,040 environnement depuis plus de 2 1873 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,040 ans, je ne peux tout simplement 1874 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,040 pas croire que cette résolution 1875 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,040 soit déposée au nom de la paix, 1876 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,040 de l'amour et de la 1877 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,040 compréhension. C'est un coup de 1878 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,040 force absolue. C'est un coup de 1879 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,040 canon pour mettre fin à 1880 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,040 l'opposition politique 1881 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,040 aujourd'hui et peut-être aussi 1882 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,040 d'influencer les élections de 1883 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,040 2025. Il faut se rappeler qu'il 1884 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,040 y a quand la même séquence 1885 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,040 d'événements qui ont mené à tout 1886 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,040 ça. Des lettres dans les médias, 1887 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,040 ce qu'on entend, ce qu'on voit, 1888 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,040 ce qu'on voit les conseillers 1889 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,040 écrire sur Facebook, les médias 1890 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,040 sociaux, etc., Une demande 1891 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,040 pour... The letter of 1892 01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,040 resignation we've heard. There 1893 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,040 is a whole sequence of different 1894 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,040 events that led up to this. This 1895 01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,040 is not in a vacuum. There is 1896 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,040 more to this, in my opinion. 1897 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,040 Notre communauté remonte au 18e 1898 01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,000 siècle. Nous avons connu, au 1899 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,000 travers des générations, des 1900 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,000 guerres, des pandémies, des 1901 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,000 conditions météorologiques 1902 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,000 difficiles et toutes sortes de 1903 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,000 changements et de défis 1904 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,000 politiques ou sociaux. Tout au 1905 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,000 long de cette période, nous nous 1906 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,000 sommes tenus debout et avons 1907 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000 mené les choses de l'avant. Les 1908 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,000 citoyens de Pointe-Claire se 1909 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,000 sont battus avec acharnement 1910 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,000 pour rester défusionné et aussi 1911 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,000 indépendant que possible, ne pas 1912 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,000 s'asseoir. À 1 an et demi des 1913 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,000 élections, 1 an et demi des 1914 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,000 élections, la seule solution est 1915 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000 demeuré Québec à nos affaires. 1916 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,000 Je peux vous assurer, mesdames 1917 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000 et messieurs, c'est qu'une 1918 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,000 mesure plus douce n'a été 1919 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,000 proposé pour apaiser les 1920 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,000 tensions et difficultés auto 1921 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,000 infligées décrit ici 1922 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,000 aujourd'hui. Comme certaines 1923 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,000 personnes bien informées Malone 1924 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,000 dit, votre ville se dirige plus 1925 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,000 ou moins vers une forme de mise 1926 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,000 sous tutelle. On n'est pas là. 1927 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,000 C'est peut-être la première 1928 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,000 phase, mais tranquillement pas 1929 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,000 vite, on avance dans cette 1930 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,000 direction-là. Il est important 1931 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,060 de souligner que je n'ai 1932 01:06:00,060 --> 01:06:01,060 participé à aucune discussion 1933 01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:03,060 relative à cette résolution, 1934 01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:05,060 aucun membre du Conseil de 1935 01:06:05,060 --> 01:06:06,060 l'administration a appelé pour 1936 01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:11,060 en discuter avec moi. Et dans 1937 01:06:11,060 --> 01:06:14,060 quel but? Nous avons mis en 1938 01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:16,060 place un solide plan stratégique 1939 01:06:16,060 --> 01:06:17,060 pour la ville. Notre directeur 1940 01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:19,060 des finances et nos 1941 01:06:19,060 --> 01:06:20,060 vérificateurs externes nous 1942 01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:21,060 disent que notre situation 1943 01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:23,060 financière est saine. Nous 1944 01:06:23,060 --> 01:06:24,060 rénovons les vestiaires de 1945 01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:26,060 l'aréna. Nous réparons les rues. 1946 01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:27,060 Nous déneige ont. Nous 1947 01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:29,060 modernisons le passage pour 1948 01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:31,060 piétons des sources. Nous 1949 01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:33,060 ajustons une passerelle piétons 1950 01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:35,060 et cyclistes au-dessus de la 1951 01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:36,060 Transcanadienne. Nous avons tenu 1952 01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:37,060 six réunions de consultations 1953 01:06:37,060 --> 01:06:40,060 publiques très populaires sur 1954 01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:42,060 l'urbanisme qui, selon notre 1955 01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:43,060 personnelle, ont été extrêmement 1956 01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:46,060 utiles. Nous modernisons notre 1957 01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:47,060 bâtiment des Travaux publics, un 1958 01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:52,060 grand projet. Excusez-moi, j'ai 1959 01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:54,060 perdu ma place. Gill mieux 1960 01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:56,060 servir les résidents. Et même en 1961 01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:58,060 période de gel, nous sommes en 1962 01:06:58,060 --> 01:06:59,060 tête de l'ouest de l'île pour 1963 01:06:59,060 --> 01:07:00,020 les projets de développement. Il 1964 01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:03,020 est clair que les projets 1965 01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:06,020 avancent. Et si ce n'est pas le 1966 01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:08,020 cas, le même conseil majoritaire 1967 01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:10,020 qui fait pression pour cette 1968 01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:11,020 résolution ce soir peut le faire 1969 01:07:11,020 --> 01:07:12,020 pour n'importe quel autre projet 1970 01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:16,020 en vertu de son ombre. Aucune 1971 01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:18,020 personne au groupe des personnes 1972 01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:20,020 assis à cette table ou devant 1973 01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:23,020 moi le détient la formule de ce 1974 01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:24,020 qui est dans le meilleur intérêt 1975 01:07:24,020 --> 01:07:25,020 des citoyens de Pointe-Claire. 1976 01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:27,020 Nous sommes égaux. Les années 1977 01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:30,020 passées en politique, l'âge, le 1978 01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:31,020 genre, les connexions, les 1979 01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:32,020 antécédents n'offrent pas de 1980 01:07:32,020 --> 01:07:34,020 place prioritaires ici. Les 1981 01:07:34,020 --> 01:07:38,020 opinions diverses doivent être 1982 01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:39,020 patiemment absorbées dans la 1983 01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:41,020 mesure de ce que nous sommes en 1984 01:07:41,020 --> 01:07:44,020 tant que communauté si nous 1985 01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:47,020 voulons réussir à aller de 1986 01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:51,020 l'avant. Je voterai non par 1987 01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:54,020 principe et je partagerai très 1988 01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:56,020 certainement mon expérience et 1989 01:07:56,020 --> 01:07:57,020 tout les matériel pertinent avec 1990 01:07:57,020 --> 01:08:00,080 les représentants du MAMH, du 1991 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,080 ministère, si on me le demande. 1992 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,080 J'ai énormément de choses à dire 1993 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,080 à ce sujet. Ladies and 1994 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,080 gentlemen, this resolution is 1995 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,080 symbolic for the political 1996 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,080 culture that rain supreme in 1997 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:10,080 Pointe-Claire City Council. In 1998 01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,080 fact, the style of politics we 1999 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,080 are witnessing this evening 2000 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,080 wasn't born in 2021, or at any 2001 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,080 point in this mandate. It's a 2002 01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:18,080 carryover from the previous 2003 01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,080 mandate, perhaps even years 2004 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,080 before. It's well entrenched 2005 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,080 having lived in this environment 2006 01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,080 for more than two years, I 2007 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,080 simply can't believe this 2008 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,080 resolution is being tabled for 2009 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,080 the sake of peace, love, and 2010 01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,080 understanding. This is brute 2011 01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,080 force. Given the sequence of 2012 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,080 events that I've witnessed and 2013 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,080 seen in the past, it is a cannon 2014 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,080 shot to end political opposition 2015 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,080 and affect the 2025 election, 2016 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,080 whether you like it or not. Our 2017 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,080 committee runs back to the 2018 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,080 1700s, generations have been 2019 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,080 through wars, pandemics, 2020 01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,080 difficult weather, and all kinds 2021 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,080 of political and social changes 2022 01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,080 and challenges. Through it, all 2023 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,080 we have stood on our own two 2024 01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,080 feet, and lead the way. The 2025 01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,080 citizens of Pointe-Claire have 2026 01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,040 fought hard to remain emerged 2027 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,040 and as independent as possible, 2028 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,040 but not this evening. With an 2029 01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,040 election only a year and a half 2030 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,040 away, only a year and a half 2031 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,040 away, the only solution is to 2032 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,040 bring Québec City into our 2033 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,040 affairs. I can assure you, 2034 01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,040 ladies and gentlemen, there were 2035 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,040 no softer measures proposed to 2036 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,040 delay the self inflicted tension 2037 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,040 and difficulties outlined here 2038 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:23,040 today. I am not quite sure where 2039 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,040 all this starts and where it 2040 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,040 ends. Some of the well connected 2041 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,040 people I have spoken to about 2042 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,040 this, they have told me, your 2043 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,040 city is more or less heading 2044 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,040 towards some form of 2045 01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,040 receivership. That was explained 2046 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,040 to me. We are not necessarily 2047 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,040 their, full agreement. We may be 2048 01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,040 heading in that direction, which 2049 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,040 is shameful, in my opinion. It's 2050 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:43,040 important to underline, folks, I 2051 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:46,040 was not privy to any discussions 2052 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,040 relative to this discussion, nor 2053 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,040 on Council or the administration 2054 01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,040 called to discuss it with me. It 2055 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,040 was simply prevented. Sorry, it 2056 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,040 was simply presented. For what 2057 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,040 purpose? We've been put -- we 2058 01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,040 put in place a rich, strategic 2059 01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,000 plan for the city, our finance 2060 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,000 director and outside 2061 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,000 undernourished Ellis that are 2062 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,000 fiscal picture is sound, we are 2063 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,000 innovating locked rooms, 2064 01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,000 repairing streets, clearing 2065 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,000 snow, of getting sources 2066 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,000 crosswalk, adding a pedestrian 2067 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,000 cycle bridge over the 2068 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,000 Trans-Canada, held six popular 2069 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000 in planning public consultation 2070 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,000 meetings that our staff's have 2071 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,000 been extremely helpful. We are 2072 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,000 updating our public works 2073 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,000 building to better serve 2074 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,000 residents, and even in a freeze, 2075 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,000 we lead the West Island in 2076 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000 development projects. I'm 2077 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,000 skipping a number of things. 2078 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000 Clearly, projects are moving 2079 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000 forward. If they are not, that 2080 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,000 same majority that is pushing 2081 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,000 for this resolution tonight can 2082 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,000 do so for virtually any project, 2083 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,000 due to their numbers. No one 2084 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000 person, group, or anyone in 2085 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,000 front of me owns the formula to 2086 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,000 what is in the best interest of 2087 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,000 the citizens of Pointe-Claire. 2088 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,000 We are equals. Years in office, 2089 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,000 age, gender, connection, 2090 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,000 background, don't offer priority 2091 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000 seating in this place. Diverse 2092 01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,000 of pinion space to be patiently 2093 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,060 absorbed in the mosaic of who we 2094 01:11:01,060 --> 01:11:03,060 are as a community, if we are to 2095 01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:04,060 succeed in moving forward. 2096 01:11:04,060 --> 01:11:06,060 Another thing, I have lived in 2097 01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:09,060 Pointe-Claire since 1965. I grew 2098 01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:10,060 up here, I have raised children 2099 01:11:10,060 --> 01:11:13,060 here, and I have a family. 2100 01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:14,060 Sorry, I have family members and 2101 01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:17,060 friends buried here, across the 2102 01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:20,060 street. To be told by a newcomer 2103 01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:21,060 councillor that I don't have 2104 01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:23,060 Pointe-Claire citizens at heart 2105 01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:25,060 is a deep insult to me. I will 2106 01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:27,060 vote no out of principle, but I 2107 01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:29,060 will mostly share my experience 2108 01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:31,060 and all relevant materials with 2109 01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:33,060 the representatives from the 2110 01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:35,060 Ministry, or associated offices, 2111 01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:37,060 and partake positively as I have 2112 01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:38,060 in everything I've been involved 2113 01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:39,060 in here. I have an enormous 2114 01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:41,060 amount to tell on this matter. 2115 01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:43,060 Thank you very much, Mister 2116 01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:46,060 Mayor. 2117 01:11:46,060 --> 01:11:49,060 [Applause] 2118 01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:50,060 >> Councillor Thorstad-Cullen? 2119 01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:55,060 >> Yes, good evening. Bonsoir. 2120 01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:57,060 Ce soir, je propose d'appuyer la 2121 01:11:57,060 --> 01:11:59,060 résolution d'une demande 2122 01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:00,020 d'accompagnateur auprès du 2123 01:12:00,020 --> 01:12:01,020 ministère des Affaires 2124 01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:04,020 municipales et de l'habitation. 2125 01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:06,020 Il s'agit d'une option offerte 2126 01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:08,020 au conseils municipaux pour 2127 01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:11,020 favoriser un fonctionnement 2128 01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:13,020 optimal et assurer que les 2129 01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:15,020 règlements municipaux sont 2130 01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:17,020 respectés. Il y a plusieurs 2131 01:12:17,020 --> 01:12:18,020 réunions publiques de conseils 2132 01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:21,020 qui ne répondent pas à mes 2133 01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:23,020 normes personnelles de 2134 01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:25,020 professionnalisme, car le 2135 01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:28,020 règlement PC 27-12 n'est pas 2136 01:12:28,020 --> 01:12:29,020 respectée. Et ce sentiment est 2137 01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:31,020 également partagée par d'autres 2138 01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:33,020 membres du conseil et d'autres 2139 01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:35,020 citoyens de Pointe-Claire. De 2140 01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:36,020 nombreux citoyens de 2141 01:12:36,020 --> 01:12:39,020 Pointe-Claire nous ont demandé 2142 01:12:39,020 --> 01:12:41,020 d'intervenir. Nous devons ré 2143 01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:43,020 établir le leadership. Nous 2144 01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:47,020 avons besoin de vérité et non de 2145 01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:48,020 désinformation. Il est temps que 2146 01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:50,020 la Ville de Pointe-Claire 2147 01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:53,020 profite de cette ressource qui 2148 01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:56,020 est à notre disposition. 2149 01:12:56,020 --> 01:12:57,020 J'aimerais souligner que la 2150 01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:59,020 demande présentée ce soir vise à 2151 01:12:59,020 --> 01:13:02,080 obtenir les services d'un 2152 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,080 accompagnateur et non à prendre 2153 01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,080 en charge la gestion de la 2154 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,080 ville. On s'attend à ce que 2155 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,080 l'accompagnateur assure que 2156 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,080 notre fonctionnement est 2157 01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,080 conforme à nos règlements et aux 2158 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:18,080 valeurs de la ville, qui inclut 2159 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,080 la poursuite d'excellence, la 2160 01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,080 qualité de service, l'intégrité 2161 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,080 et le respect des gens. Good 2162 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,080 evening. Tonight I am moving to 2163 01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:28,080 support the resolution of a 2164 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,080 request for a facilitator from 2165 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,080 the minister Ministère des 2166 01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,080 Affaires municipales et de 2167 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,080 l'Habitation, this is an option 2168 01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,080 available to City Council's to 2169 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,080 support optimal functioning and 2170 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,080 to ensure that a city's own 2171 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,080 bylaws are respected. There have 2172 01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,080 been quite a few public council 2173 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,080 meetings that do not meet my 2174 01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:46,080 personal standards of 2175 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,080 professionalism, as PC bylaw 2176 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,080 27-12 is not being upheld, and 2177 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,080 this sentiment is shared by 2178 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,080 other members of Council, and 2179 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,080 other citizens of Pointe-Claire 2180 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,080 like. Many citizens of 2181 01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,080 Pointe-Claire asked us to 2182 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,040 intervene. We need to reinstate 2183 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,040 leadership, we need truth and 2184 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,040 not misinformation. It is time 2185 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,040 the City of Pointe-Claire 2186 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,040 benefit from this resource that 2187 01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,040 is available to us. I would like 2188 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,040 to highlight the request being 2189 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,040 proposed this evening is to 2190 01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,040 request a facilitator, helped, 2191 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,040 it is not a request to take over 2192 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,040 management of the city. The 2193 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,040 expectation is that the 2194 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,040 facilitator will ensure their 2195 01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,040 functioning is in line with our 2196 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,040 bylaws, and our city values, 2197 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,040 which include the pursuit of 2198 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,040 excellence, service quality, 2199 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,040 integrity, and respect for 2200 01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,040 people. Thank you. 2201 01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,040 >> Councillor Stork? 2202 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,040 - Bonjour à tous. I had 2203 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,040 something written down, but a 2204 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,040 lot has been said here today. I 2205 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,040 just want to say that we sit 2206 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,040 around here, and I am 2207 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,040 embarrassed. I am embarrassed 2208 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,040 for all of us in this room, the 2209 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,040 administration, citizens. We 2210 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,040 need help, plain and simple. I'm 2211 01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,000 not going to go with this or 2212 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,000 that, deep into the muck on this 2213 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,000 scenario. We need help. We're 2214 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,000 asking for help on behalf of the 2215 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,000 citizens, what we feel, what I 2216 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,000 feel him supporting this motion 2217 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,000 is what is required for the 2218 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,000 citizens of our great city. You 2219 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,000 know, I will go a step further, 2220 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,000 the lady mentioned transparency, 2221 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,000 when this person comes in, who 2222 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,000 ever they may be, I will support 2223 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,000 the recommendations 100%, and I 2224 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,000 have no problem, is that funny, 2225 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:36,000 sir? I will support the 2226 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,000 recommendations of this 2227 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,000 facilitator 100%, and to the 2228 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,000 ladies questions of 2229 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,000 transparency, I don't know what 2230 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,000 the legality of this is, but I'm 2231 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000 more than happy to make this 2232 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,000 document public once published. 2233 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,000 We have to address this, none of 2234 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,000 us are 100% part of the problem, 2235 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,000 none are part of the solution. 2236 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,000 We need help, and we are asking 2237 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,000 for it. Not for me, for all of 2238 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,060 us, but for you. We need help. I 2239 01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:02,060 support this motion 2240 01:16:02,060 --> 01:16:07,060 unequivocally. Thank you. 2241 01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:12,060 >> Okay. As a first time mayor, 2242 01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:17,060 Au début, tournoi, les réunions 2243 01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:20,060 du conseil municipal était un 2244 01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:23,060 exercice très, très intéressant 2245 01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:26,060 et pas comme à l'Université. 2246 01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:27,060 J'ai été à l'université pour une 2247 01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:28,060 vingtaine d'années, et c'était 2248 01:16:28,060 --> 01:16:30,060 un autre monde. Alors, pour moi, 2249 01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:32,060 j'ai appris beaucoup. Ce que 2250 01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:35,060 j'ai appris que dans nos 2251 01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:37,060 conseils municipaux, il n'y a 2252 01:16:37,060 --> 01:16:40,060 pas de respect. Ça manque de 2253 01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:41,060 respect. Ce n'est pas moi qui 2254 01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:43,060 manque de respect. Ce n'est pas 2255 01:16:43,060 --> 01:16:46,060 moi du tout. Si vous voyez tous 2256 01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:48,060 les webcast de notre conseil 2257 01:16:48,060 --> 01:16:50,060 municipal, ce n'est pas moi qui 2258 01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:52,060 manque de respect. Alors, je 2259 01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:55,060 trouve que c'est étonnant que 2260 01:16:55,060 --> 01:16:58,060 tout le monde me blâme moi pour 2261 01:16:58,060 --> 01:17:02,020 la conduite des autres. Je suis 2262 01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:03,020 responsable de ce qui se passe 2263 01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:07,020 dans le conseil, mais si c'est 2264 01:17:07,020 --> 01:17:08,020 un désastre, c'est un désastre. 2265 01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:10,020 J'essaie de régler tout ça, mais 2266 01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:12,020 ce n'est pas facile. For me, why 2267 01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:15,020 is it a free-for-all? Councillor 2268 01:17:15,020 --> 01:17:17,020 sent spoke about following 2269 01:17:17,020 --> 01:17:18,020 rules. What if people don't 2270 01:17:18,020 --> 01:17:20,020 follow rules? What if people 2271 01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:22,020 don't respect them, and do so 2272 01:17:22,020 --> 01:17:24,020 deliberately? How do you 2273 01:17:24,020 --> 01:17:25,020 regulate that? This is my 2274 01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:27,020 challenge. This has been my 2275 01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:29,020 challenge with the council 2276 01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:32,020 meetings. I am still learning, I 2277 01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:34,020 must say. I've always tried, 2278 01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:36,020 myself, personally, to engage 2279 01:17:36,020 --> 01:17:39,020 with respect. I would encourage 2280 01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:41,020 everybody who has heard this 2281 01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:43,020 debate, all of you, all our 2282 01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:46,020 meetings are webcasts. All of 2283 01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:48,020 them. Please go back and watch 2284 01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:50,020 them. We want transparency? You 2285 01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:52,020 want the truth? You want to see 2286 01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:54,020 the reality of what is going on 2287 01:17:54,020 --> 01:17:57,020 here? Please, go back, owe it to 2288 01:17:57,020 --> 01:17:59,020 yourselves, get to the truth. Go 2289 01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:01,080 back and watch the council 2290 01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,080 meetings, see the conduct of 2291 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,080 people in the council meetings, 2292 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,080 and you will get your answers, 2293 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,080 okay? We can all talk, but the 2294 01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,080 proof is in the putting. Watch 2295 01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,080 the webcasts. This latest 2296 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,080 resolution from Council's, 2297 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,080 unfortunate, but does not come 2298 01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,080 as a surprise. In the last 2299 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,080 election, Pointe-Claire citizens 2300 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,080 decided to elect me as mayor. 2301 01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,080 They also reelected a majority 2302 01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,080 of councillors who are aligned 2303 01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,080 with former Mayor Belvedere, and 2304 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,080 who oppose my platform on 2305 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,080 development, the environment, 2306 01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,080 and heritage protection. I hoped 2307 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,080 this might lead to some 2308 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,080 compromise. At the very least, I 2309 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,080 had hoped Council might show 2310 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,080 greater tolerance for debate, 2311 01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,080 and different opinions. I 2312 01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,080 functioned four years in a world 2313 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,080 of respect for other people's 2314 01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,080 opinions. I hoped this greater 2315 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:55,080 tolerance for different 2316 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:59,080 opinions, even if the opinions 2317 01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,040 remain, the decisions at the end 2318 01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,040 remain the same. In other words, 2319 01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,040 we know we're going to go 2320 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,040 anyways, but allow us, 2321 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,040 sometimes, I felt like, I'm 2322 01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,040 going to lose anyway, but let me 2323 01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,040 get my message out. Just getting 2324 01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,040 my message out has, at times, 2325 01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,040 been difficult. The last two and 2326 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,040 a half years have been a 2327 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,040 scorched earth approach of 2328 01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,040 intolerance at Council meetings 2329 01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,040 and concerted pressure on the 2330 01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:23,040 members of Council to resign 2331 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,040 before the end of our four-year 2332 01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,040 mandates. We know who the new 2333 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,040 members are. Unfortunately, I 2334 01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,040 believe this pressure 2335 01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,040 contributed to the resignation 2336 01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,040 of one of them, Councillor 2337 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,040 Tedford who will inform you 2338 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,040 clearly why she resigned, she 2339 01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,040 has written it. You can find out 2340 01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,040 why she resigned. I can give you 2341 01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,040 her resignation letter. It says, 2342 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,040 pretty much, what I think you 2343 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,040 should know. The current 2344 01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,040 resolution from the ruling 2345 01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,040 majority on Council is 2346 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,040 consistent with many of their 2347 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:57,040 previous tactics, which include 2348 01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,040 averting to former 2349 01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,040 communications committee to 2350 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,000 censor my interviews and social 2351 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000 media posts, publicly condemning 2352 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,000 Councillor Tedford in what 2353 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,000 amounted to a motion of sensor 2354 01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,000 for merely disagreeing with the 2355 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,000 developer who heckled and 2356 01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,000 disrupted her speech in this 2357 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,000 chamber at the previous meeting. 2358 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,000 Carrying out repeated staged 2359 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,000 walkouts and boycotts of caucus, 2360 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000 and Council meetings. Alas 2361 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,000 public one in December, lasting 2362 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,000 nearly half an hour. I sat here, 2363 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000 it waited for everyone to come 2364 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,000 back to work. Finally, for 2365 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,000 repeatedly demanding my 2366 01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,000 resignation in print and on 2367 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,000 social media, is this trying to 2368 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,000 make Council work? Is this 2369 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,000 getting along? As with 2370 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,000 Councillor Tedford, the scorched 2371 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,000 earth campaign has extended to 2372 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,000 my private life. Among other 2373 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,000 things, a member of this council 2374 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,000 went to the trouble of texting 2375 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,000 my significant other to suggest 2376 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,000 that I was having an affair, not 2377 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,000 once, but two times, involving 2378 01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:01,060 two different women. Such antics 2379 01:21:01,060 --> 01:21:04,060 are juvenile, even in high 2380 01:21:04,060 --> 01:21:06,060 school. These kinds of 2381 01:21:06,060 --> 01:21:08,060 disruptive, bullying tactics, 2382 01:21:08,060 --> 01:21:09,060 and hostile and inappropriate 2383 01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:11,060 language used by the ruling 2384 01:21:11,060 --> 01:21:13,060 majority on Council, and their 2385 01:21:13,060 --> 01:21:15,060 supporters at Council meetings, 2386 01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:17,060 make our city look out of 2387 01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:19,060 control. We are made to look out 2388 01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:22,060 of control. The difference this 2389 01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:25,060 time, asking the province to 2390 01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:26,060 intervene with wording that 2391 01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:28,060 suggests our city could even be 2392 01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:30,060 placed under trusteeship 2393 01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:32,060 escalates the situation to an 2394 01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:34,060 entire other level. I think you 2395 01:21:34,060 --> 01:21:36,060 all realize this. As I've said 2396 01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:39,060 many times before, I have no 2397 01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:43,060 intention of resigning. I will 2398 01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:45,060 continue to do the job I was 2399 01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:49,060 elected to do despite formidable 2400 01:21:49,060 --> 01:21:52,060 verbal opposition. I won't make 2401 01:21:52,060 --> 01:21:54,060 citizens pay the costs of an 2402 01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:56,060 expensive by-election only 18 2403 01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:58,060 months before the one that is 2404 01:21:58,060 --> 01:22:01,020 already scheduled for November, 2405 01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:05,020 2025. Why would we do that? The 2406 01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:07,020 majority on Council needs the 2407 01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:10,020 kind of resolution proposed 2408 01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,020 tonight. Seven out of nine 2409 01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:14,020 votes, our cities agenda is 2410 01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:16,020 primarily driven by them. We 2411 01:22:16,020 --> 01:22:19,020 continue to have no residential 2412 01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:20,020 development than the rest of the 2413 01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:21,020 West Island combined, despite 2414 01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:24,020 being only 15% of its total 2415 01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:27,020 population. Nothing has changed 2416 01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:29,020 here. The issue of the Fairview 2417 01:22:29,020 --> 01:22:30,020 forest has not yet been allowed 2418 01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:33,020 to be discussed at the public 2419 01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:35,020 consultations on our urban plan. 2420 01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:38,020 Council has voted to both remove 2421 01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:39,020 multiple condo projects from our 2422 01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:42,020 development fees, and reject the 2423 01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:44,020 agreement I negotiated with the 2424 01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:45,020 archdiocese to restore the 2425 01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:48,020 Pointe-Claire windmill. If they 2426 01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:50,020 genuinely believe that Québec 2427 01:22:50,020 --> 01:22:53,020 City needs to take over, 2428 01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:54,020 wouldn't it in fact be taking 2429 01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:57,020 over from them? Wouldn't that be 2430 01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:59,020 an admission of their own 2431 01:22:59,020 --> 01:23:04,080 failure to govern? I would also 2432 01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,080 point out that, beyond the 2433 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,080 conflict at the senior levels of 2434 01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,080 city hall, and our disagreements 2435 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,080 on some major issues, 2436 01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,080 Pointe-Claire is a city that 2437 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,080 runs well, whose finances are in 2438 01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,080 good shape, and whose citizens 2439 01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,080 receive excellent services from 2440 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,080 our rank-and-file City staff. I 2441 01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,080 don't see why we need, or how we 2442 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,080 could benefit, from being 2443 01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,080 managed by the provincial 2444 01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,080 government. I must admit, I find 2445 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,080 it insulting to those who come 2446 01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:33,080 in every day to make 2447 01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,080 Pointe-Claire a better place, 2448 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:39,080 and succeed in doing so. Hang 2449 01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,080 on, I'm not done. I'm getting 2450 01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:45,080 some water. 2451 01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,080 (inaudible) 2452 01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,080 I will be voting against the 2453 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,080 resolution, not just because 2454 01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,080 it's another unnecessary 2455 01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,080 political tactic, but because it 2456 01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,080 will thoroughly undermine our 2457 01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,080 city's credibility, autonomy, 2458 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,040 and ability to get things done 2459 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,040 with other levels of government. 2460 01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,040 Under previous mayors, like Bill 2461 01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,040 McMurchie, and Malcolm Knox, 2462 01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,040 Pointe-Claire took on a 2463 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,040 leadership role in representing 2464 01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,040 the interest of the entire West 2465 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,040 Island to both downtown Montréal 2466 01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,040 and the Québec government. 2467 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,040 Tonight, Council is asking for 2468 01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,040 the province to intervene to 2469 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:27,040 help us govern ourselves. 2470 01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,040 Council is asking the province 2471 01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,040 to intervene to help us govern 2472 01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,040 ourselves. There are many 2473 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,040 important files in which 2474 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,040 Pointe-Claire needs to take a 2475 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,040 stand. Most recently, I have 2476 01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,040 been working with the mayors of 2477 01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,040 Kirkland and Dollard-des-Ormeaux 2478 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,040 to oppose Montréal's proposal to 2479 01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,040 increase our density targets 2480 01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,040 without increased investments in 2481 01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,040 public transit and 2482 01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,040 infrastructure housing really do 2483 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,040 you think Montréal and Québec 2484 01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,040 City will take us on this, or 2485 01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,040 any other important file, if we 2486 01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,040 are asking them to manage our 2487 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,000 city hall for us? You can't sit 2488 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,000 at the negotiating table if you 2489 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,000 aren't even ready to sit at the 2490 01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,000 grown-ups table. I will come 2491 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,000 help and constructive 2492 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,000 suggestions when it comes to 2493 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,000 making Council function with 2494 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,000 less rancor. I worry about the 2495 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,000 consequences of this resolution 2496 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000 for the rest of the city, which 2497 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,000 simply deserves better than 2498 01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,000 petty, political antics. 2499 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,000 Whatever short term political 2500 01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,000 advantage this resolution will 2501 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,000 get from members of Council, or 2502 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,000 their candidate for mayor, will 2503 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,000 be outweighed by the lasting 2504 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,000 damage to our cities reputation. 2505 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,000 It deserves to be voted down. 2506 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:41,000 Thank you very much. 2507 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,000 We are voting, yes, okay. In 2508 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:51,000 support of the request for 2509 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,000 Ministère des Affaires 2510 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,000 municipales et de l'Habitation, 2511 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,000 do I have a mover? Moved and 2512 01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:01,060 seconded? All in favour? 2513 01:26:01,060 --> 01:26:04,060 (inaudible) 2514 01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:09,060 All against? 2515 01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:10,060 (inaudible) 2516 01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:11,060 I do. We shouldn't be yelling, 2517 01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:13,060 sir. I do, I can, when I choose. 2518 01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:15,060 Excuse me, sir -- 2519 01:26:15,060 --> 01:26:17,060 >> Thank you. 2520 01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:18,060 >> 16.1. 2521 01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:21,060 >> Yes. 2522 01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:22,060 - 16.1 Autoriser des crédits 2523 01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:23,060 additionnels d'une somme de 2524 01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:25,060 862625,02 $, taxes incluses, 2525 01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:27,060 pour des travaux supplémentaires 2526 01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:29,060 dans le cadre du projet 22-033 - 2527 01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:32,060 avenues Lakeside et Lakeview et 2528 01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:36,060 chemin du Bord-Du-Lac-Lakeshore. 2529 01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:41,060 Do I have a mover? 2530 01:26:41,060 --> 01:26:44,060 >> Cowan, district eight. 2531 01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:46,060 >> Cynthia Homan, district 5. 2532 01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:47,060 - Monsieur Cousineau, êtes-vous 2533 01:26:47,060 --> 01:26:49,060 en faveur ou en défaveur? 2534 01:26:49,060 --> 01:26:50,060 - En désaccord. 2535 01:26:50,060 --> 01:26:51,060 - Vous votez contre. Those 2536 01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:56,060 against? Merci. Closure? For 2537 01:26:58,060 --> 01:26:59,060 closure, do I have a mover? 2538 01:26:59,060 --> 01:27:02,020 >> I'm up to close, Tara 2539 01:27:02,020 --> 01:27:03,020 Stainforth, district 4. 2540 01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:05,020 >> Seconder? 2541 01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:07,020 - Bruno Tremblay, district 6. 2542 01:27:07,020 --> 01:27:10,020 - En faveur? Thank you very 2543 01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:13,020 much, folks. Merci beaucoup. 2544 01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:15,020 Oui, vous pouvez poser des 2545 01:27:15,020 --> 01:27:16,020 questions.