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- Bonjour, salut tout le monde.

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We will get start with Council

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remarks. Councillor Cowan?

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- J'aimerais signaler que Madame

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Lysandre Rh?aume et moi sommes

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all?s hier soir et un citoyen de

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mon district pour assister ? la

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r?union de la Commission

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scolaire Les lobbys Pearson

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pourrez pr?senter notre

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initiative de jardins

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communautaires et de zones de

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conservation de la for?t urbaine

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qui se situe ? la limite est du

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terrain scolaire

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. Getting approval for this

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community-based project and

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dream has been a long process.

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It started, for me, about five

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years ago. And it is not over

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yet. That said, the board gave

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us, shall we say, a supportive

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response, and more importantly,

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a solid contact, which has been

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difficult to obtain, with whom

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to take the next step, which is

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already being done. Louisiana

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has already sent her detailed

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proposal to our new contact in

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the board administration. I do

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believe we are making progress,

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baby step by baby step. And

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that's it. Thank you.

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- Conseiller Cousineau? You're

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good? Okay. Councillor

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Stainforth? You're good?

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Monsieur Bissonnette? Mr. --

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Councillor Homan?

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>> No I'm fine, thank you.

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>> Councillor Tremblay?

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>> Something here, okay, good

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evening, everyone. So for

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residents living on brigadier,

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Brock, and perhaps elsewhere on

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district six, you may have

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received a newsletter from Tara

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Stainforth, by calling to my

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left in district for, due to a

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postal distribution slipup. Rest

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assured, there has not been a

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change in districts. I am still

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your Councillor. For those

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wishing to be included in any of

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my information, simply send me

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an email at Bruno dot Tremblay

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at Pointe-Claire hyphen

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Clair.ca. Pour les r?sidents des

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rubriques donner Brock et

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peut-?tre ailleurs dans le

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district six, vous avez

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peut-?tre re?u r?cemment un

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bulletin de terreur Stanford, ma

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coll?gue du district IV ? la

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suite d'une erreur de

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distribution postale.

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Rassurez-vous, il n'y a pas eu

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de changement de district, je

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suis toujours votre conseiller.

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Si vous souhaitez recevoir mon

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bulletin d'information par

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courrier ?lectronique, il vous

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suffit de m'envoyer un courriel

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? mon adresse personnel.

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J'ai aussi ajout? ici, notez

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bien que les travaux pour le REM

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entra?neront une fermeture de

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l'avenue Fairview en direction

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sud entre le boulevard Brunswick

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et la voie de service. En

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direction ouest de l'autoroute

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40, du sept au 9 mai. Donc

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d'aujourd'hui au neuf. Work on

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the REM project will result in

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the closure of Fairview Avenue

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southbound between Brunswick

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boulevard and the westbound

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service route from Highway 40,

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from May 7th tonight. And

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finally, just a reminder that I

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think my colleagues up here will

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also appreciate, that your first

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point of contact for any

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questions related to city

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services is 514 630-1200 or the

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City web page section. You can

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also call your councillor

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directly. I am sure that being

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said, don't hesitate to contact

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me if you need any help getting

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to the right service. Enfin, je

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vous rappelle que votre premier

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point de contact pour toute

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question relative aux services

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municipaux est le num?ro de

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t?l?phone ou la section contact

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de la page Web de la ville.

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Toutefois, n'h?sitez pas ? me

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contacter si vous avez besoin

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d'aide pour acc?der aux bons

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services. Merci.

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>> Councillor Thorstad-Cullen?

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>> Yes, I would just like to

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make an announcement for an

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upcoming event in support of the

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West Island citizens advocacy.

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They are normally a Valois

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community resident. They are

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currently in Eric's district for

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the moment. But they are having

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their annual garden tour coming

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up on June 1st, just reminding

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any of those interested in

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gardening, funds go to support

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West Island citizens advocacy.

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So we love to support our

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community organizations that

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really build what our

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communities are made of. Thank

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>> Councillor Stork?

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>> Just a couple of things here,

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just a reminder to Northview

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citizens that Winthrop is being

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re-done. It's going to be a big

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project from Hymus all the way

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to Jubilee Square. It will also

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be the first time I think in

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Pointe-Claire that we will have

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a raised sign on, at the corner

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of -- and Winthrop. Some

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citizens concerned this will

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happen after the project on Del

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Mar, because actually Gilmour is

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closed, so they're being

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reverted to Winthrop, so that's

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two separate projects so there

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won't be any interference there.

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Northview will be redone,

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repaved, resurfaced, and we'll

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be adding Pickleball lines in

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the Pickleball craze that is

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going on across North America.

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just a small little detail,

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trois mois que

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The electrical lights were burnt

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out, but they are finally

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working again. Not a big thing,

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but you know, safety and

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security is important to all of

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us. Thank you, Mister Mayor.

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- Merci ? tous mes conseillers.

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Thanks to all the councillors.

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Bonsoir mesdames et messieurs et

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bienvenu ? cette s?ance

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ordinaire du 07 mai 2024. Good

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evening ladies and gentlemen,

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welcome to this May 7th council

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meeting.

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Ce soir l'?quipe des finances

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d?pose le rapport financier 2023

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qui sera publi? sur le site Web

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demain. Voici les faits

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saillants de ce rapport. The

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year ended with a surplus of $24

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million. This is good news. This

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is largely due to $14.4 million

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in transfer duties, building

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permits, tax revenues and

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interest income. In terms of

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spending during 2023, our teams

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continued to prioritize the

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quality of services for the

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benefit of our entire community,

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as well as the efficiency and

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effectiveness of our day-to-day

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operations. Responsible resource

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management generated savings of

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$9.6?million. The City has

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invested steadily in the

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reconstruction and maintenance

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of municipal infrastructure to

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ensure that streets, sidewalks

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and utilities will remain in

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good condition for the next 50

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years. La majeure partie de

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l'exc?dent sera utilis?e pour

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refinancer et rembourser la

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dette ? long terme. Une

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partie servira ?galement ?

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poursuivre la modernisation de

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nos b?timents municipaux. En

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outre, la ville poursuivra ses

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efforts pour lutter contre

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l'agrile du fr?ne et son impact

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sur la canop?e urbaine,

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notamment en offrant des

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subventions aux citoyens. The

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report highlights that in order

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to maintain a service quality

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for regular operations, several

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projects have been carried out,

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project; which we've all seen if

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infrastructure work on several

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avenues, Paving several street

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sections and repairing numerous

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sidewalks; Trail development and

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greening work; Improvement work

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were away on vacation. The thief

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back door onto the patio,

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breaking the door's window. The

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owners followed the incident on

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camera and on the phone with

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unit officials. After the

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incident, the security team

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replaced the broken glass with

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plywood, while minimizing the

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damage to the door. Without

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their excellent work in securing

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the door, the residence was

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potentially exposed to further

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damage from another intruder,

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animals or rain. We received a

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Thank You email from the owners

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of the house, who wanted to

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express express their

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appreciation for. For Tyler

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that Pointe Claire residents are

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very fortunate to have these

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services. And I couldn't agree

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more. Bravo to all those

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Conseil jeunesse Lors d'une

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s?ance extraordinaire tenue ? la

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salle du conseil de l'h?tel de

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ville, le lundi 15 avril, douze

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jeunes du primaire ont particip?

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pr?sentant trois projets

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cr?atifs pour notre ville. Les

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?l?ves de l'?cole primaire

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Clearpoint ont occup? les postes

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de maire, de conseillers, de

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directeur g?n?ral et urbaniste

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et de greffier municipal. C'est

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toujours tr?s int?ressant de

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voir ces jeunes ? l'oeuvre, je

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qui a ?t? enregistr?e pour voir

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nos jeunes en action. Ces jeunes

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filles et jeunes gar?ons ont

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effectu? un travail remarquable.

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ont accompagn?s tout au long de

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cette activit?. We have a busy

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autochthone called BACA, that

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gallery. Notre prochain

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?cocentre sera le 11 mai entre 9

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et 16 heures, il y aura du

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compost, des copeaux de bois et

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le service de d?chiquetage de

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papier. It is a major visual

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arts event featuring the work of

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some sixty artists from many

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May 11 between 9 and 4. There

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will be compost and wood chips

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and paper shredding services. De

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retour cette ann?e c'est la

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journ?e des travaux publics, le

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dans le stationnement du parc

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naturel Terra-Cotta, au 50,

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avenue Terra-Cotta.??C'est une

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belle journ?e familiale qui

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permet de rencontrer nos

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experts, de monter ? bord de

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camions, d'excavatrices et

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d'autres v?hicules utilis?s pour

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les travaux publics.? Il y a des

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structures gonflables,

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maquillage et jeux garantiront

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divertissement et joie.?Et

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apportent unit?s d'emploi si

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vous apportez votre CV. Journey

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into the imaginary is the theme

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of our 2024 Cultural rendez-vous

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that is taking place on Sunday

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between 10 am and 5pm at Stewart

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Park. We invite you to come and

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celebrate the mix of the arts

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and the imaginary. It is a fun

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day of family activities in an

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enchanting setting. Nous avons

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la collecte de sang du maire le

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mardi 28 mai ? partir de 10

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heures jusqu'? 20 heures au

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centre nautiques B de Valois. We

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have our annual mayors Blood

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clinic at the Baie de Valois

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nautical center on Tuesday, May

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30 from 10 a.m. To 8 p.m. Cette

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semaine nous avons d?but?

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l'horaire d'?t? donc nos

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? midi This week we started our

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summer schedule, so our

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administrative services are open

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4: 30pm, and Friday from 8am to

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noon. Thank you for your

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attention.

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Merci beaucoup. Madame Thibault?

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- Alors 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre

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du jour. 1.1, adoption of the

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agenda, with one change, the

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withdrawal of 6.6..

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Donc l'adoption de l'ordre du

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jour avec le retrait du point

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>> Do I have a mover?

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>> There are Stainforth,

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>> And seconder?

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>> Eric Stork, district four.

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>> All in favour?

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- 3.1 Approuver le proc?s-verbal

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de la s?ance ordinaire du 2

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avril 2024, ainsi que les

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proc?sverbaux des s?ances

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extraordinaires du 9 avril et du

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16 avril 2024.

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Eric Stork, district seven. Bon,

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p?riode de questions. Excusez.

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>> Thank you. P?riode de

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questions. Question period. Pour

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la p?riode de questions, ce soir

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? la p?riode de questions, vous

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avez ?t? accueilli ? l'entr?e

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pour vous inscrire ? la p?riode

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des questions. L'intention de

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cette d?marche est d'abord de

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permettre aux personnes de

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demeurer assise jusqu'? l'appel

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de leurs noms. Et d'accorder la

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priorit? aux r?sidents et

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r?sidentes de Pointe-Claire.

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Nous garderons 90 minutes pour

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la p?riode de questions, deux,

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une personne ? la fois au micro.

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Nous vous remercions d'attendre

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qu'un citoyen ait termin? de

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poser sa question et que vous

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soyez appel?s avant de vous

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lever pour venir poser votre

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question. Trois, les

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non-r?sidents pr?sents pourront

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poser leurs questions par la

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suite si le temps n'est pas

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?coul?.,,.

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. We should stick to the 90

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limit time limit for question

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period. One person at a time of

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the microphone. Thank you

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waiting for a system to finish

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asking their question and be

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called before you get up to ask

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yours. And finally, nonresidents

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present will be able to ask

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questions afterward if there is

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still time. And we will begin

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with Jean-Francois mazy.

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Jean-Fran?ois Messier.

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- Je suis habitu? ? toutes les

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variations. Mon nom est

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Jean-Fran?ois Mercier de

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Portland. Je fais partie du 20%

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des citoyens de Pointe-Claire

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qui n'ont pas d'auto. Donc j'ai

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lu vos rapports d'urbanisme. Il

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y a quelques ann?es, j'ai obtenu

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une copie de rapports de Steer

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communications qui a ?t? fait

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pour la ville de Oakville en

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Ontario, qui est tr?s similaire

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? Pointe-Claire. Et ce

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rapport-l? n'?tait pas politique

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et a clairement donn? le message

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que la Ville n'a pas le choix,

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elle ne peut pas augmenter sa

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population, elle ne peut pas

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densifier, ? moins de faire ce

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qu'on appelle un changement au

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transport public et v?lo. Je

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l'oublie, je suis un cycliste,

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j'avais oubli? ?a. V?lo et

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pi?tonniers ?ge. Parce que toute

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augmentation de population dans

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l'environnement routier actuel

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de la ville r?sulte en trop de

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trafic, trop de congestion, trop

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de bruit et une diminution de la

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qualit? de vie, ces villes-l?,

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comme Pointe-Claire, ont ?t?

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faites bas?s sur les autos dans

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les ann?es 50 et 60 et la ville

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de Oakville doit repenser non

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seulement juste dire qu'on doit

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faire un changement et amener le

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monde en transport en commun,

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mais la ville elle-m?me doit

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prendre un leadership pour

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convaincre le monde de faire ces

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changements-l? et accepter. J'ai

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assist? ? l'une des r?unions de

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la Ville de Pointe-Claire sur

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l'urbanisme j'ai constat?

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comment le monde r?siste ? ces

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changements-l? et ?a prend un

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leadership et sur cette

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question-l?, le leadership doit

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venir de la ville et ?a, ?a veut

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dire que le maire doit avoir le

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support de ses conseillers pour

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essayer de convaincre la

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population de faire ces

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changements-l?. On est plus dans

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les ann?es 50, on ne peut pas

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continuer de prendre son auto

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pour tout faire. Et ce sont de

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grands changements pour une

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ville comme Pointe-Claire, parce

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que le design des rues et

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difficile ? changer, mais c'est

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un changement qui doit ?tre fait

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et l? je n'ai m?me pas amen? le

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changement climatique qui nous

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pose aussi d'autres probl?mes.

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Et dans ce point de vue-l? et

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maintenant je veux arriver aux

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?lections aux derni?res

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?lections j'ai vot? pour ce

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maire-l?, parce que les maires

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avaient des formes sur le site

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Web on pouvez voir et qui puisse

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choisir le maire qui ?tait le

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plus compatible avec mes

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pens?es, mais les conseillers,

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on vote al?atoirement, parce

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qu'on ne conna?t pas la

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plate-forme et sur ce, me

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suggestion ? la Ville, c'est que

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la ville est un site Web

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officiel avec tous ces candidats

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et chaque candidat est sa

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plate-forme pour que quand on

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choisit un maire, on peut

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choisir un conseiller qui va

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?tre compatible et pr?t ?

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travailler avec 1 m?tre et vice

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versa. Sam, c'est ma premi?re

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question. On me dit que je peux

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en avoir trois, j'en ai deux. La

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deuxi?me, c'est plus un

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commentaire. ?tant donn? que je

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suis d?pendant sur le transport

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en commun, je fais partie du 8%,

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j'ai particip? ? certaines

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consultations de la STM sur la

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r?forme des b?ches dans le West

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Island et aussi une pr?sentation

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de l'ARTM sur son projet de

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tramway ? Dorval et Lachine. Et

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d'un point important, la STM

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refuse d'utiliser des petits

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autobus dans les zones moins

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peupl?es. Parce que ce n'est pas

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compatible avec sa flotte. Et je

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pense que pour desservir le

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monde ? Pointe-Claire, pour

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rendre le transport public plus

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accessible et une option pour

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aller magasiner, des petits buts

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serait beaucoup plus tol?r? sur

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les rues r?sidentielles pour

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aller chercher le monde que des

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gros autobus de la STM. Alors je

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comprends les deux probl?mes, je

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vous pose le feed-back que j'ai

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re?ue de la STM qui, je pense,

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va un peu ? l'encontre d'un

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projet d'augmenter le changement

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mod?liste pour le transport en

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commun de Pointe-Claire.

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Deuxi?mement, pour l'ARTM, nos

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trains de banlieue du CP. Moi,

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j'ai v?cu l'int?gration en 81.

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Je faisais partie du groupe pour

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sauver les trains de West

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Island. Et j'ai vu comment les

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00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,040
horaires n'ont pas chang?

545
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:50,040
depuis. Malgr?, essentiellement,

546
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,040
la capacit? de, surtout que le

547
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,040
CP a voulu quitter le Qu?bec,

548
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,040
l'ARTM, quand je leur ai parl?

549
00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,040
personnellement,

550
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,000
essentiellement, le monde m'a

551
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000
dit qu'ils sont int?ress?s juste

552
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,000
? des projets structurants. Et

553
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,000
d?finit un projet structurant en

554
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000
quelque chose qui d?filer et qui

555
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000
me d?raille avec un service ?

556
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000
tous les cinq minutes. Tout ce

557
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000
qui est en bas de ?a, ils ne

558
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000
sont pas int?ress?s. Qui met des

559
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000
rails, plut?t. Moi je vous pose

560
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000
ce challenge-l?, c'est surtout

561
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000
avec ce qui se passe avec le

562
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000
transport en commun, c'est

563
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,000
d'aller voir le gouvernement et

564
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,000
de dire: ?coutez, les trains de

565
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000
banlieue, nous autres, dans le

566
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000
West Island, ?a ne co?terait pas

567
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,000
grand-chose d'augmenter la

568
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000
fr?quence. C'est juste n?gocier

569
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000
avec le CP, surtout que le CP

570
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,000
ont de moins en moins de trains

571
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000
au Qu?bec. N?gocier avec l? CP

572
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,000
pour avoir une plus grande

573
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,000
fr?quence et, s'il vous pla?t,

574
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,000
faites-le, au lieu d'attendre

575
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,000
que ce soit un projet

576
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000
structurant ? 50 milliards de

577
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000
dollars. Voil?, ce sont mes deux

578
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000
points que j'avais ? dire.

579
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,000
(rires)

580
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,000
- Ce sont de bon point,

581
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000
Monsieur, merci beaucoup. Le

582
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,000
dilemme, c'est toujours le

583
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,000
dilemme ? Pointe-Claire, l'ouest

584
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000
de l'?le, on a la 20 et la 40

585
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000
Est et Ouest c'est facile, mais

586
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000
nord sud au sud nord, c'est

587
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000
l'enfer pour mes enfants comme

588
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,060
aller ? l'?cole et prendre

589
00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:02,060
l'autobus. ?a prend toujours

590
00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:04,060
beaucoup de temps, m?me si on

591
00:21:04,060 --> 00:21:05,060
?tait dans le district un

592
00:21:05,060 --> 00:21:09,060
appoint clair Sud, pour aller ?

593
00:21:09,060 --> 00:21:10,060
Lindsay, mon fils est rest? 25

594
00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:13,060
minutes. When it was Lyndsay

595
00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:14,060
Parce que le transfert et tout

596
00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:17,060
pour aller ? Fairview. Ce n'est

597
00:21:17,060 --> 00:21:19,060
pas logique, ?a. ?a, c'est l'un

598
00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:20,060
des probl?mes. Dans l'ouest de

599
00:21:20,060 --> 00:21:22,060
l'?le, c'est toujours un

600
00:21:22,060 --> 00:21:24,060
probl?me, le transport en

601
00:21:24,060 --> 00:21:26,060
commun, moi, j'?tais ?

602
00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:27,060
Notre-Dame-de-Gr?ce, j'?tais

603
00:21:27,060 --> 00:21:28,060
capable de prendre quatre ou

604
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:30,060
cinq autobus juste ? un bloc de

605
00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:32,060
moi et je pouvais aller au

606
00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:33,060
centre-ville, C?te-Saint-Luc,

607
00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:36,060
n'importe o?, alors c'est pas

608
00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:38,060
mal frustrant, on a parl?

609
00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:40,060
souvent de ?a avec la STM et

610
00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:41,060
maintenant, je suis en train de

611
00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:43,060
parler avec

612
00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:44,060
(---)

613
00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:45,060
et Mich?le Gibson, on fait les

614
00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:46,060
m?mes arguments que vous nous

615
00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:50,060
avez pos?, on n'a pas

616
00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:51,060
l'infrastructure et on n'a pas

617
00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:53,060
le transport en commun pour une

618
00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:55,060
augmentation de population qui

619
00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:59,060
voudraient, c'est ?vident, alors

620
00:21:59,060 --> 00:22:03,020
c'est frustrant pour nous aussi.

621
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:04,020
Les routes d'autobus sont tr?s

622
00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:05,020
int?ressantes aussi, mais je

623
00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:07,020
pense qu'elles ne sont pas si

624
00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:09,020
pire, l'un des probl?mes

625
00:22:09,020 --> 00:22:10,020
maintenant c'est qu'il n'y a pas

626
00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:12,020
beaucoup de monde qui prend le

627
00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:15,020
bus. Depuis la COVID COVID

628
00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:17,020
wrecked the regular transport

629
00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:19,020
usage. On a vu les autobus vides

630
00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:21,020
partout durant la COVID et apr?s

631
00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:25,020
aussi. Mais c'est pas bon quand

632
00:22:25,020 --> 00:22:28,020
m?me. C'est un grand probl?me.

633
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:33,020
L'autre chose qui me frustre,

634
00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:34,020
ils ont fabriqu? le REM trop

635
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:39,020
bas. On voudrait faire un viaduc

636
00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:41,020
mais ont demand? au REM avant

637
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:44,020
qu'ils aient fabriqu? de faire

638
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:45,020
?a ? la bonne hauteur, faire la

639
00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:50,020
bonne chose, mais non trop cher.

640
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:53,020
Alors pour continuer l'extension

641
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:54,020
de Jacques bizarre, il faut

642
00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:56,020
aller en dessous du REM. Alors

643
00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:58,020
?a co?te aussi. Donc je

644
00:22:58,020 --> 00:22:59,020
comprends bien ce que vous avez

645
00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:03,080
dit. I agree with everything you

646
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,080
said. If you have an interesting

647
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,080
thing -- Il y avait une partie

648
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,080
int?ressante avec les

649
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,080
conseillers avec le maire. La

650
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,080
m?me position. Oui, je suis

651
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,080
compl?tement d'accord. Il faut

652
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,080
comprendre exactement la

653
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,080
position politique de toutes les

654
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,080
personnes. Tous les candidats.

655
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,080
Et c'est pr?f?rable pour le

656
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,080
syst?me ici, pour le syst?me

657
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,080
municipal, c'est beaucoup mieux

658
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,080
si on fait ?a. Si on faisait ?a.

659
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,080
Absolument. Est-ce que ?a r?pond

660
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,080
? vos questions? Il y avait une

661
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,080
deuxi?me?

662
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,080
(inaudible)

663
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,080
- Prenez le micro. Ce sont des

664
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,080
bons points, oui, oui, s'il vous

665
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,080
pla?t.

666
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,040
- Excusez. Le deuxi?me point,

667
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,040
c'est plus un feed-back que je

668
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,040
vous faisais. De qu'est-ce que

669
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:09,040
moi j'ai per?u des r?unions qui

670
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040
sont essentiellement des

671
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,040
attitudes et de l'ARTM et de la

672
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,040
STM. Et je pourrais parler de

673
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,040
Hexo aussi. O? ils n'ont pas

674
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,040
cette ambition d'am?liorer les

675
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,040
services, ils sont juste

676
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,040
int?ress?s ? impressionner

677
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,040
madame Guilbault, la ministre,

678
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,040
avec des grands projets de

679
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,040
multi-milliards de dollars. Et

680
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,040
je pense qu'? Pointe-Claire,

681
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040
bon, on peut dire qu'on devrait

682
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,040
devenir Amsterdam demain en

683
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,040
bloquant tous les rues etc.,

684
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,040
Mais ?a va ?tre quelque chose

685
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,040
qui va ?tre petit ? petit et je

686
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,040
pense que si vous avez un

687
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,040
succ?s, ces portions de ville

688
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,040
par portion de ville, le village

689
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,040
de plein Pointe-Claire, Valois,

690
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,040
moi j'habite ? parc a ?t? donc

691
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,040
j'ai le centre d'achats et le

692
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,040
m?tro, moi je peux marcher ou

693
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,040
prendre mon v?lo facilement pour

694
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,040
aller magasiner et c'est pour ?a

695
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,040
que j'habite l? et que j'ai mon

696
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,040
auto. Parce que si j'habitais

697
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,000
ailleurs, j'aurais une auto. Il

698
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000
y a des ?les ? point de Clark

699
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,000
d?faire le Que vous devriez

700
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
commencer par ?a. Je pense que

701
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,000
c'est vraiment y aller ?tape par

702
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000
?tape. Mais pour ?a, ?tant donn?

703
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000
que c'est ?tape par ?tape au

704
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,000
lieu d'un grand projet grandiose

705
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,000
de 55 milliards de dollars, bien

706
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000
l?, il faut convaincre ARTM, STM

707
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000
etc. De faire des am?liorations

708
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000
incr?mental aussi. Et c'est sur

709
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000
?a, c'est pour ?a que je

710
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000
voulais...

711
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000
- On est compl?tement d'accord.

712
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Monsieur Tremblay qui a toujours

713
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000
son casque de v?lo avec lui. Il

714
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000
est d'accord aussi. Merci

715
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000
beaucoup, Monsieur.

716
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000
- Et je tiens, Monsieur, ? vous

717
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000
f?liciter pour vos propos tr?s

718
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,000
positifs. C'est un sujet qui est

719
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,000
extr?mement important. Et plus

720
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000
f?licitations encore, vous ?tes

721
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000
membre du 8%. ?a, je n'ai pas,

722
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,000
je ne savais pas que ?a

723
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
existait. Alors f?licitations.

724
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000
Mais comment vous faites pour

725
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000
calculer le 8%?

726
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,060
(inaudible)

727
00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:03,060
- Que c'est 8%? Je vais poser la

728
00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:04,060
question ? l'interne. Merci.

729
00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:05,060
(rires)

730
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:06,060
C'est bon.

731
00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:08,060
- Merci, Monsieur. Juste une

732
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:12,060
autre petite observation. Ils

733
00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:13,060
sont en train de refaire le pont

734
00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:17,060
de l'?le aux tourtereaux. They

735
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:18,060
almost didn't have a bike path

736
00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:22,060
and a bus lane. And she was

737
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:25,060
ready to pull her hair out

738
00:26:25,060 --> 00:26:26,060
C'?tait comme les un et 60. Le

739
00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:27,060
projet au d?but, c'?tait comme

740
00:26:27,060 --> 00:26:29,060
les ann?es 60. C'?tait

741
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:30,060
incroyable. Il voulait faire

742
00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:31,060
quelque chose comme ?a. Ce

743
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:32,060
n'?tait pas comme ?a pour le

744
00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:34,060
pont Champlain. Mais sur l'?le

745
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:36,060
aux tourtes, dans l'ouest de

746
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:39,060
l'?le, on ne sait jamais. It's

747
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:40,060
very interesting to see. There

748
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:43,060
is a double standard, I must

749
00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:47,060
admit. Pour moi, c'est ?vident.

750
00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:49,060
Absolutely, Paul.

751
00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:50,060
- Merci beaucoup pour le

752
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:51,060
commentaire, c'est tr?s

753
00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:52,060
int?ressant. J'ai juste deux

754
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:54,060
points que j'aimerais apporter.

755
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:55,060
N'oubliez pas pr?sentement que

756
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:56,060
la ministre Guilbeault a

757
00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:57,060
rencontr? les maires des villes

758
00:26:57,060 --> 00:27:01,020
hier. Pour parler du d?ficit, il

759
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:03,020
parlait de 2,5 milliards pour

760
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:06,020
les cinq prochaines ann?es. Donc

761
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:07,020
elle, suppos?ment l?, elle va

762
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:08,020
essayer de savoir ce qui se

763
00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:09,020
passe, qu'est-ce que c'est

764
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:11,020
r?ellement. Alors ce serait une

765
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:13,020
chose, ?a va ?tre int?ressant ?,

766
00:27:13,020 --> 00:27:14,020
suivre ?a. Mais juste de vous

767
00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:17,020
faire part d'un commentaire, je

768
00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:20,020
n'ai aucune connaissance, mais

769
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:22,020
un commentaire que j'ai d?j? eu,

770
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:25,020
et j'en ai d?j? parl?. Et avec

771
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:26,020
des gens de la STM, et eux

772
00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:29,020
autres disent que le fait de

773
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:32,020
m?langer des autobus de, je ne

774
00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:34,020
sais pas, 60 personnes, avec des

775
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:35,020
minibus, l'?quipement pour

776
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:36,020
travailler dessus n'est pas le

777
00:27:36,020 --> 00:27:38,020
m?me dans le garage. Les pi?ces

778
00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:39,020
ne sont pas les m?mes. Ils

779
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:41,020
disent que pour le peu que ?a

780
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:42,020
co?te, parce que ?a prend un

781
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:46,020
chauffeur quand m?me, que ce

782
00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:47,020
soit, que ?a ne vous r?ellement

783
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:49,020
pas la peine, la diff?rence

784
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:51,020
qu'il y a essay? de m?langer cet

785
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:53,020
?quipement-l? avec toutes les

786
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,020
diff?rences qu'ils ont. ?a,

787
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:55,020
c'est juste une observation que

788
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:57,020
je vous fais part. Une autre

789
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:59,020
chose. I'd just like to mention

790
00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:01,080
to that, that's exactly why we

791
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,080
don't have the population of

792
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,080
Chicago or New York during the

793
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,080
day. I see the trains on the 20.

794
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080
At rush hour, they are full. But

795
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,080
the rest of the day, there are

796
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,080
just no people, whether they are

797
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,080
on it at 10:00 or 10:30 or 11,

798
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080
there's practically nobody. It's

799
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,080
always at peak time we don't

800
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,080
have the volume. And that's

801
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,080
exactly why the provincial

802
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,080
government is now asking us to

803
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,080
build communities. It's not like

804
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,080
Dorval and the plaza were built,

805
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,080
where you had a shopping centre

806
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,080
with the style we had. And I

807
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,080
remember, there was a great

808
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080
innovation at the time, all the

809
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,080
stores in one place. But that

810
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,080
model doesn't work today. And

811
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,080
what they are trying to do to

812
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,080
try to compensate for -- get

813
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,080
cars off the road, and that is

814
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,080
to build a community. A

815
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,080
community means commercial on

816
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,080
the ground floor with

817
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,080
residential, it could be some

818
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,080
condos, it could be apartments,

819
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,040
they could have a clinic, they

820
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,040
can have different office space

821
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,040
so you don't have to travel to

822
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,040
get to your office. That's the

823
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,040
concept today, community, that's

824
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,040
what they're trying to build.

825
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,040
They are doing that in Lachine

826
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,040
from where Scannell used to be

827
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,040
on the lakeshore on St. Joseph

828
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,040
up to the highway. That is what

829
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,040
they are trying to do. And all

830
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,040
redevelopment, not development,

831
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,040
it's green development of

832
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,040
massive land sites. Vaudreuil is

833
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,040
developing, we are redeveloping,

834
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,040
because of the change in it.

835
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,040
Merci beaucoup d'?tre venus et

836
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,040
merci pour les commentaires.

837
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,040
It's all a question of height.

838
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,040
Sandra Mackay.

839
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,040
>> This isn't for my height.

840
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,040
Before I get started, I just

841
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,040
wanted to thank all of you for

842
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,040
the work that you do. I know

843
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,040
that you have the interests of

844
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,040
the citizens of Pointe-Claire in

845
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,040
your heart, and a lot of what

846
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,040
you do is, I want to say,

847
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,000
thankless. I kind of say you are

848
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000
unsung heroes, so thank you very

849
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,000
much for the work that you do. I

850
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000
am here this evening to ask for

851
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000
your help on a problem though

852
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000
that needs heroes, climate

853
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000
change. It affects all of us. We

854
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000
are seeing it more and, more

855
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,000
extreme weather events, we are

856
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,000
seeing power outages more

857
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000
frequently, more extreme storms,

858
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000
flooding bum, forest fires,

859
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,000
which is affecting the quality

860
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000
of the air, and then water and

861
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000
food security are going to be

862
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000
sort of the next pillar. So from

863
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
what I have read, there is two

864
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
main things we need to do. One,

865
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
is stop burning fossil fuels, so

866
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000
drive fewer cars, like this

867
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,000
gentleman said, which I think is

868
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
fantastic, have more

869
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
infrastructure and to -- in

870
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000
terms of public transit, you

871
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000
have more frequent transit,

872
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
people will use it more often

873
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000
and then you will have more

874
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000
ridership. So I think having

875
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
better frequency. I try to go up

876
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,060
St. John's by bus and you missed

877
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:01,060
the bus, you're waiting 40

878
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:03,060
minutes in the winter. It's very

879
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:05,060
long. Anyhow, the other thing of

880
00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:08,060
course is protection of forests

881
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:10,060
and increasing expanding

882
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:13,060
forests. Trees, especially

883
00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:15,060
centuries old trees, absorb much

884
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:18,060
more CO2 than new trees. So it's

885
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:19,060
kind of the basics of climate

886
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:22,060
change, right? So that's why we

887
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:24,060
need to protect the forests that

888
00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:25,060
we have. I agree that we need to

889
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:27,060
build a housing for citizens. I

890
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:29,060
think everybody is on the same

891
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:31,060
page. People need places to

892
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:33,060
live. But does densification

893
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:35,060
have to mean destruction? Can we

894
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:37,060
not have a win-win situation or

895
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:40,060
rebuild on existing concrete

896
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:42,060
spaces and save green spaces? In

897
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:45,060
fact, the PMAD indicates that we

898
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:48,060
need to save 30% of our land for

899
00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:49,060
force and green spaces. They

900
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:51,060
talk about densification, but

901
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:53,060
the thing I don't hear people

902
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:54,060
talking about is the protection

903
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:57,060
of green spaces and they needed.

904
00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:58,060
As human beings, they are part

905
00:31:58,060 --> 00:32:01,020
of nature. We need these green

906
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,020
spaces. Doctors are prescribing

907
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:05,020
park therapy where they send

908
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:07,020
people off to a path to go into

909
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:10,020
the woods. It's good for us. We

910
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:12,020
forget we're part of nature

911
00:32:12,020 --> 00:32:13,020
because we are in our offices

912
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:15,020
and all that stuff. So my

913
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:16,020
question to all of you tonight,

914
00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:19,020
and it's maybe a pie in the sky

915
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:20,020
Pollyanna kind of question, but

916
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:22,020
that's a kind of girl that I am.

917
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:23,020
I would love it if all of you

918
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:25,020
could work together to help turn

919
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:27,020
Fairview forest into a park for

920
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:29,020
citizens to enjoy. I know it's a

921
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:31,020
difficult challenge. I know we

922
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:34,020
need money, we need a lot of

923
00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:36,020
things. But you are problem

924
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:37,020
solvers. That's what you are

925
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:38,020
good at. And you are smart

926
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:40,020
people, and I think if you work

927
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:42,020
together and use resources like

928
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:45,020
the government of Qu?bec, the

929
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:47,020
City of Montr?al, the CMM. They

930
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:50,020
want to help us. They want to

931
00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:53,020
protect green spaces. And for

932
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:55,020
our well-being of the future, we

933
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:57,020
really need to do that. We could

934
00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:59,020
reach out also to Cadillac

935
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:00,080
Fairview and say Cadillac

936
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Fairview, would you, you know,

937
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,080
be willing to, you know, have

938
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,080
this turned into a park in your

939
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,080
name? It would be good

940
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,080
advertising. They be a good

941
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,080
corporate citizen, and we can

942
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,080
build across the street at the

943
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,080
mall, make the top of them all

944
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,080
be apartments. I think there's

945
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,080
lots of solutions. And you know,

946
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,080
I think the citizens of

947
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,080
Pointe-Claire love the green

948
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080
spaces, the tree canopy that we

949
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,080
have here. That's why we love

950
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,080
living here. It's such a great

951
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,080
place to live. We love the

952
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080
community, you talk about

953
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,080
community, Mr. Bissonnette, I

954
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,080
couldn't agree more. So the past

955
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,080
leaders of Pointe-Claire had the

956
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,080
vision to protect terracotta and

957
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,080
turn it into a park. When you

958
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,080
like your children and

959
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,080
grandchildren and future

960
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,080
generations to remember you as

961
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,080
the Council and the mayor, as

962
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,080
the ones who turned Fairview

963
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,080
forest into a park? Thank you.

964
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,080
>> Is there a question in there?

965
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,080
>> Yes, the question, would you

966
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,080
work together to turn Fairview

967
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
forest into a park? I know

968
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,080
that's not an easy thing, but I

969
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,040
think with climate change, we

970
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,040
don't have a choice. We can't

971
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,040
afford to lose it. And I know

972
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:08,040
it's complicated. Yeah, I get

973
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,040
it. But if we don't start

974
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,040
somewhere and say let's work

975
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,040
towards that, we won't get

976
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,040
there. And this Councillor

977
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,040
Thorstad-Cullen has a

978
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,040
sustainability committee. Maybe

979
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,040
they could help come up with

980
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,040
ideas. I would be happy to

981
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,040
involved in any way, and I'm

982
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,040
sure my neighbours, I speak to

983
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,040
my neighbours, they are also

984
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,040
keen on this. And they are also

985
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040
worried about climate change. So

986
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,040
I know I'm not alone. I'm not

987
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,040
alone. And Mister Mayor, you are

988
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,040
elected on protection of the

989
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,040
forest, so that means more than

990
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,040
50% of Pointe-Claire citizens

991
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,040
want to address these kind of

992
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,040
issues.

993
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,040
>> I agree. So what you're

994
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,040
saying is where there's a will

995
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,040
there's a way?

996
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040
>> Exactly --

997
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,040
>> And I couldn't agree more. I

998
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,040
have a couple of comments

999
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,040
pertaining to your very

1000
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,000
excellent observations.

1001
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
Protecting the forest is one way

1002
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
to protect the tree canopy, but

1003
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000
I see the tree canopy get

1004
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
diminish in another more subtle

1005
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000
but insidious way, and that is

1006
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
the building of what we would

1007
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
call make mansions and monster

1008
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
houses, where a law that only

1009
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
has a certain amount of trees,

1010
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
we allow a house twice the size

1011
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
postwar houses, or whatever, to

1012
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
get knocked down, the house --

1013
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
reduced a tree canopy, even on

1014
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
those existing lots. And lot

1015
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,000
after lot after lot, we lose

1016
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
trees. So we lose our tree

1017
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000
canopy not just coming down, not

1018
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
just existing green spaces, but

1019
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000
incrementally all of the time,

1020
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
which is very frustrating to

1021
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
watch. Park therapy is an

1022
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,000
interesting concept. And what

1023
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
intrigues me about park therapy,

1024
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000
and I've always made this

1025
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
argument, is that it is

1026
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000
desperately needed in an urban

1027
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
setting. So this whole argument,

1028
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
let's consolidate and let's

1029
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000
densify and let's make a jungle

1030
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000
of cement in one spot, and then

1031
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,060
have a green elsewhere doesn't

1032
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:03,060
work, because you don't have --

1033
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:04,060
you have to drive to go get your

1034
00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:06,060
green space, whereas -- and

1035
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:08,060
that's the argument, you densify

1036
00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:10,060
and densify, there is no green

1037
00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:11,060
spaces anymore where you've

1038
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:13,060
densify, we have no park there,

1039
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:15,060
you have to drive for your park

1040
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:17,060
therapy. So the idea you are

1041
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:18,060
proposing is very interesting.

1042
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:20,060
The Fairview forest is a natural

1043
00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:22,060
green space for what will be

1044
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:24,060
possibly a large residential

1045
00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:26,060
development on a mute one and

1046
00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:28,060
the Kirkland site, right beside

1047
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:30,060
it. So two large residential

1048
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:31,060
developments, there's a natural

1049
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:32,060
green space there. It is a

1050
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:35,060
no-brainer for me. The question

1051
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:37,060
of protecting that green space

1052
00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:39,060
is the challenge. And you've got

1053
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:40,060
into that one. The government of

1054
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:43,060
Qu?bec and the CMF have been

1055
00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:45,060
approached. So we need help from

1056
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:46,060
the citizens to put pressure on

1057
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:47,060
them as well, because they have

1058
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:49,060
been approached. And you know,

1059
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:52,060
the CNN did give an RCI, which

1060
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:54,060
good and great on their part.

1061
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:56,060
But wouldn't it be nice to house

1062
00:36:56,060 --> 00:36:58,060
some financial assistance? Would

1063
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:00,020
it be nice to acquire the

1064
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:01,020
forest? These are all

1065
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:02,020
possibilities. Whereas the

1066
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:03,020
environment of Qu?bec and

1067
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:05,020
protect that forest much more

1068
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:07,020
student lee than it has today.

1069
00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:09,020
So there are all kinds of ways

1070
00:37:09,020 --> 00:37:12,020
we can try and save that forest.

1071
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:15,020
Councillor Stork?

1072
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:18,020
>> Wow, a lot to address there.

1073
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:20,020
I think the important thing is,

1074
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:21,020
like, we are all conscious of

1075
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,020
the environment. We need to

1076
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:24,020
protect as much green space as

1077
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:26,020
we can. Your mention of the

1078
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:29,020
Fairview forest is interesting.

1079
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:31,020
It's commonly said, but you

1080
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:33,020
know, the dynamics are very

1081
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,020
different. If you compare the

1082
00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:37,020
Fairview forest in the

1083
00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:38,020
Technoparc in St. Laurent, one

1084
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:40,020
is federal land. Unfortunately

1085
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:43,020
for the cause, is privately held

1086
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:45,020
land. It's owned, it's rezoned,

1087
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:46,020
it's not an urban landscape,

1088
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:48,020
it's not a park, it's zoned. So

1089
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:51,020
that gives a lot of power and a

1090
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:53,020
lot of weight to the owners of

1091
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:55,020
that land. It has already been

1092
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:57,020
stated, and if you feel the

1093
00:37:57,020 --> 00:37:58,020
issue is not coming up, it's

1094
00:37:58,020 --> 00:37:59,020
because there is a time for it

1095
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:02,080
to get there, of the 42 acres or

1096
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,080
43 acres of the Fairview forest,

1097
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,080
approximately 11.5 are already

1098
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,080
protected from the minister of

1099
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,080
the Environment. This is

1100
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,080
something that's calm and

1101
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,080
knowledge. It's not expressed a

1102
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,080
lot. So that's already been

1103
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,080
protected. From there, you can

1104
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,080
also take about -- when any

1105
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,080
development happens, I'm

1106
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,080
therefore saving as many trees

1107
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,080
as possible, believe me. And the

1108
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,080
concept is to over densify and

1109
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,080
other areas, in concrete parking

1110
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,080
lots. But you can't have it all.

1111
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,080
And if you want to create green

1112
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,080
space, the key thing is

1113
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,080
negotiations. We are not

1114
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080
speaking terms with -- right

1115
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,080
now. And as we all know, there

1116
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,080
are some legal issues that exist

1117
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,080
right now, and I wish there was

1118
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,080
not, but there is. But that is

1119
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,080
part of the negotiation, give us

1120
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,080
this, at a story there, give us

1121
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,080
a bit more the forest, and

1122
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,080
that's where the conversation

1123
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,080
that has to be had. And the

1124
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,080
ultimate goal, I'm not gonna go

1125
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,080
on too long,'s price. At the end

1126
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,080
of the day, it is private land.

1127
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,080
There is expropriation laws

1128
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,080
being negotiated at the

1129
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,080
provincial level. And there will

1130
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,040
be a point where we have to put

1131
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,040
$1 value, we are going after the

1132
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,040
citizenry, at what point are you

1133
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,040
going to pay for this? Because

1134
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,040
it does come, we can get grants

1135
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,040
for the government, but I can

1136
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,040
tell you right now, everything

1137
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,040
I've read, I am pretty much the

1138
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,040
PMAD go-to guy, I do not see,

1139
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,040
you know, hundreds of millions

1140
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040
of dollars coming from the

1141
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,040
provincial or the CMM in terms

1142
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,040
of protecting the Fairview

1143
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,040
forest. The 30% ratio is a pan

1144
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Montr?al ratio. I think we're at

1145
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,040
24%. And there are already

1146
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,040
people saying I don't think we

1147
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,040
are going to get to the 30,

1148
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,040
which we should, it's important.

1149
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,040
So that being said, at the end

1150
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,040
of the day, there is a price

1151
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,040
thing. And once those things

1152
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,040
start to happen, I think we need

1153
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,040
have earnest discussions among

1154
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,040
Council, with the Mayor, and

1155
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,040
with the citizens on what we are

1156
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,040
willing to do to try to do as

1157
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,040
much as we can. But definitely a

1158
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,040
negotiation, and it's very

1159
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,040
complex.

1160
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,040
>> Isn't there --

1161
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,040
>> So, that's too much time.

1162
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,040
>> Isn't there a law, an

1163
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,040
expropriation law, that the

1164
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,040
Qu?bec government is putting in

1165
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,040
place that would allow the City

1166
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,040
of Pointe-Claire to rezone that

1167
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,000
land?

1168
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000
>> Yes. Hasn't been tested yes,

1169
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
but yes, indeed.

1170
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,000
>> I think Mr. Stork, thank you

1171
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,000
for your comments --

1172
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,000
>> But let me explain that,

1173
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
because the fact right now --

1174
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
>> Councillor Stork?

1175
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000
>> Go ahead.

1176
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,000
>> Just to reiterate then, the

1177
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,000
percentage that is protected at

1178
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000
the moment is nowhere near

1179
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
enough. And for me, the organ is

1180
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000
not about money, it's about

1181
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
whether we live, our kids live

1182
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
in the next decade or two, and

1183
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
it's not about money, it's about

1184
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
our health and quality of life.

1185
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000
And money should not be the

1186
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000
variable. And at one point, we

1187
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
are going to have to make our

1188
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,000
quality of life and are possible

1189
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000
existence more important than

1190
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,000
dollars or cents.

1191
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,000
>> Absolutely.

1192
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
>> But just let me --

1193
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000
unfortunately, Councillor Stork,

1194
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000
did you ask to speak, Councillor

1195
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000
Stork? There is a chair.

1196
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
>> Mister Mayor, may I respond?

1197
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,000
>> Yes, you may, thank you

1198
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Councillor Stork.

1199
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000
>> Thank you, Mister Mayor

1200
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Thomas. So back to the

1201
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,060
expropriation law, and less you

1202
00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:01,060
want to explain it Mister Mayor

1203
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,060
--

1204
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:03,060
>> I've already explained

1205
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:04,060
enough, Mister Stork. Would you

1206
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:05,060
like to --

1207
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:06,060
>> I will explain it

1208
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:08,060
differently. Right now the

1209
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:09,060
expropriation laws are in front

1210
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:10,060
of the provincial government, as

1211
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:12,060
it stands right now, in terms of

1212
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:13,060
what they can put the value of

1213
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:14,060
expropriation at. We have three

1214
00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:16,060
different values. You have the

1215
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:18,060
actual property tax value, which

1216
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:19,060
at Fairview forest, if I'm not

1217
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:21,060
mistaken, is $39 million. And

1218
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:22,060
then you have a secondary value,

1219
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:24,060
which would be the value of the

1220
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:25,060
market of this land for a

1221
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:27,060
developer to buy it. The Third

1222
00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:29,060
value is not just the value add

1223
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:30,060
of the current market developer

1224
00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:33,060
to buy it, but also the lost

1225
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:35,060
profits and all the proceeds and

1226
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:36,060
future revenues. What they're

1227
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:39,060
trying to do is diminished the

1228
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:41,060
-- at the third level to make

1229
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:43,060
sure developers can't speculate,

1230
00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:44,060
which I'm one hunted percent in

1231
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:45,060
accordance with. But we are

1232
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:46,060
still waiting to see, you know,

1233
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:48,060
where that ends up in terms of

1234
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:50,060
Expropriations. So there are,

1235
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:52,060
and even expropriation must get

1236
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:53,060
approved by the provincial

1237
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:55,060
government and by the CMM. It's

1238
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:56,060
not our divine right,

1239
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:57,060
unfortunately.

1240
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:58,060
>> I understand, Mister Stork. I

1241
00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:02,020
am aware that it's a financial

1242
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:04,020
issue. But as the mayor said so

1243
00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:07,020
well, this is a species, a human

1244
00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:09,020
species issue. And you have

1245
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:11,020
children, Mr. Stork?

1246
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:12,020
>> Yes.

1247
00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:13,020
>> Yes, so do you want to take

1248
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:15,020
that away from your children,

1249
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:18,020
this green space that could help

1250
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:19,020
with --

1251
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:20,020
>> Okay, we are getting personal

1252
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:21,020
here, but --

1253
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:22,020
>> Yeah.

1254
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:25,020
>> But let's -- Councillor

1255
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:26,020
Tremblay wanted to speak.

1256
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:28,020
>> Mister Mayor, if I could?

1257
00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:30,020
First of all, Mr. Sandra Maki

1258
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:32,020
thank you very much for your

1259
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:33,020
commentary on the forests and

1260
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:34,020
the importance of preserving the

1261
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:36,020
natural world. But what I would

1262
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:39,020
like to retain from your message

1263
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:41,020
is, two important things. One is

1264
00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:42,020
obviously climate change, that

1265
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:43,020
we hear about on a regular

1266
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:46,020
basis. But climate change tied

1267
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:49,020
to our narrow decision-making

1268
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:51,020
ability. There is only -- as we

1269
00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:55,020
go down the road to increasing

1270
00:42:56,020 --> 00:42:58,020
temperatures, we are at a point

1271
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:59,020
where we start -- we need to

1272
00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:00,080
start making decisions today in

1273
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,080
order to be able to meet the

1274
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,080
challenges that we are gonna be

1275
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,080
facing tomorrow. So that's one.

1276
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,080
Number two is the importance I

1277
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,080
think in your message of finding

1278
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,080
a way to become creative and

1279
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,080
finding a way to work towards a

1280
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,080
problem, to solve the problem,

1281
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,080
in order to be able to reduce

1282
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,080
the fairly large looming climate

1283
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,080
issues that we are going to be

1284
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,080
facing. So I really appreciate

1285
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,080
your message and I think it's

1286
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,080
deafening something we could

1287
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,080
work together in Council in

1288
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,080
terms of being able to structure

1289
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,080
a package, an idea, a way

1290
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,080
forward, with the intention of

1291
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,080
problem solving but was also the

1292
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,080
intention of saving. And once

1293
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,080
you are there, it is always a

1294
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,080
question of the intention, being

1295
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,080
able to get to a certain

1296
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,080
distance. Then the sky is the

1297
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,080
limit with what you are able to

1298
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,080
do. And I have the feeling that

1299
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,080
other parties involved, whether

1300
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,080
they be government or corporate,

1301
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,080
would be willing to play as

1302
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,080
well.. Because it can be very

1303
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,040
inspirational to do that. And I

1304
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,040
think a lot of people like being

1305
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,040
part of inspirational projects.

1306
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,040
So again, thank you for your

1307
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,040
comments.

1308
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,040
>> Thank you very much. I

1309
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,040
apologize, Mister Stork, I

1310
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,040
didn't mean to be rude.

1311
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,040
>> From what I understand,

1312
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,040
citizens are texting me and web

1313
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,040
diffusion has been cut off. Is

1314
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,040
that correct? Apparently the

1315
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,040
citizens are saying that the web

1316
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,040
diffusion -- Est-ce que monsieur

1317
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,040
ne comprend? Non? O.K.. J'ai une

1318
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,040
couple de textes qui disent que

1319
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,040
c'est coup?, mais aucun. Okay,

1320
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,040
can lines?

1321
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,040
>> Good evening. I have a

1322
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,040
question concerning item 15.5 in

1323
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,040
the agenda. It's about the

1324
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,040
contract for professional

1325
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:53,040
services for the the aqua Centre

1326
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,040
at, right here, where they are

1327
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,040
gonna be doing the lockers and

1328
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,000
office space. My question is,

1329
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,000
are we going to finally fix the

1330
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
saunas?

1331
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000
[Laughter]

1332
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000
Yes, and I have to tell, you

1333
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,000
since I've become Mayor that's

1334
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
probably one of the number one

1335
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
issues I've heard about. And

1336
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000
apparently it cannot be done

1337
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,000
because you don't want to fix it

1338
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000
incrementally, because the whole

1339
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
thing is being re-done, so it

1340
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
gets done at the same time as

1341
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,000
the renovation, so everyone has

1342
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,000
waited a couple of years for the

1343
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
sauna, and they are not happy

1344
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,000
for it. I will let Madame Verdun

1345
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
or monsieur Gerard answer the

1346
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,000
timeline on the saunas.

1347
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000
>> I am confirming that the

1348
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,000
saunas will be part of the

1349
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,000
overall aquatic centre project.

1350
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Right now, we've got a timeline.

1351
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,000
The Santos were essential

1352
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000
assessed, they are obsolete.

1353
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
We've got a timeline to renovate

1354
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000
it that coincides with the

1355
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000
overall aquatic centre timeline.

1356
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
So both projects are being

1357
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
emergent one, basically.

1358
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
>> Is it just the lockers that

1359
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,060
are being replaced or are you

1360
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:03,060
doing major changes as well? My

1361
00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:05,060
main question is, are you still

1362
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:07,060
going to have the same setup as

1363
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:08,060
for what we have for the various

1364
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:10,060
locker rooms? You know, we've

1365
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:11,060
got families, we've got

1366
00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:12,060
combined, and we've got men and

1367
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:13,060
women separate.

1368
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:15,060
>> There will be family,

1369
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:17,060
combined, and men and women's.

1370
00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:20,060
There will be accessibility

1371
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:21,060
aspects that also will be added

1372
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:23,060
to the project. Circulation

1373
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:25,060
corridors, dry corridor, wet

1374
00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:27,060
corridor, so on and so forth.

1375
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:30,060
>> Okay, what about the showers.

1376
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:32,060
>> It will be additional showers

1377
00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:34,060
if you're talking about closed

1378
00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:36,060
in showers, there will be

1379
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:37,060
additional cabins. You will

1380
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:39,060
still have the open showers as

1381
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:40,060
well.

1382
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:43,060
>> Good. Okay, last --

1383
00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:45,060
>> That's question number one.

1384
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:47,060
>> Number two is not number two,

1385
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:52,060
it's a comment. I'm used to

1386
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:57,060
councils working collegiately.

1387
00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:58,060
In other, words you work

1388
00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:01,020
together, it's given take, and

1389
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:04,020
not having to say my opinion is

1390
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:05,020
more important than others. And

1391
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:07,020
when we are talking to the

1392
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:09,020
council, we are talking to the

1393
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:11,020
council, not individual

1394
00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:13,020
councillors, and that's why I

1395
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:14,020
strongly believe, unless there

1396
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:16,020
is something extremely

1397
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:17,020
important, it should always be

1398
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:20,020
the mayor that answers. You,

1399
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:24,020
Mister Mayor, cannot decide

1400
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:26,020
everything. And unfortunately,

1401
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:27,020
you have to work with the

1402
00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:29,020
previous council, except for one

1403
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:31,020
member here. And they are the

1404
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:34,020
ones that gave us what we have

1405
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:35,020
now, with all these high-rise

1406
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:36,020
buildings that are coming

1407
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:39,020
around. Whether we like it or

1408
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:42,020
not, they are the majority. We

1409
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:45,020
have to respect the majority,

1410
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:47,020
putting up, let's say, a fight

1411
00:47:47,020 --> 00:47:50,020
like you're doing, I am with you

1412
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:52,020
100% with your point of view.

1413
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:54,020
But it can't work that way. You

1414
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:56,020
know, it's up to us citizens,

1415
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:59,020
when we vote, to decide what we

1416
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,080
want. You are the councillors we

1417
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,080
have. We have to live with you.

1418
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,080
And except what your decisions

1419
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,080
are, whether we like them or

1420
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,080
not. So I am asking, like other

1421
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,080
people that asked before us,

1422
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,080
work together, don't squawk.

1423
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Your not in an election mood or

1424
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,080
anything like that. Your point

1425
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,080
of views are different. Yeah, I

1426
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,080
can understand, I respect them.

1427
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,080
So that is what I am asking.

1428
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Please work together so we don't

1429
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,080
have someone asking Qu?bec City

1430
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,080
to come put our nose in our

1431
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,080
business.

1432
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,080
[Applause]

1433
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,080
>> Very good point, Mister Ken

1434
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,080
Lyons. I can give a couple of

1435
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
answers to it, to your comment.

1436
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,080
But by the way

1437
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,080
[Inaudible]

1438
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,080
In a second, Mister Bissonnette.

1439
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,080
There are rules of procedure as

1440
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,080
to how people are speaking in an

1441
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,080
order. And provided they are not

1442
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,080
abused, there is nothing wrong

1443
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,040
being done if the rules are

1444
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,040
being followed. It comes down to

1445
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,040
expressing oneself. In some

1446
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,040
worlds, if you hear a different

1447
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,040
point of view, it's offensive

1448
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,040
and people don't like it. I was

1449
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,040
raised and trained in a world

1450
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,040
where we accept a different

1451
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040
points of view. So it's very

1452
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,040
important to understand that

1453
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,040
fighting is not expressing a

1454
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,040
point of view. Fighting is

1455
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,040
simply expressing your point of

1456
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,040
view. And I'm used to having

1457
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,040
done that in my previous life,

1458
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,040
as an academic. And that's what

1459
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,040
I think most people should be

1460
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,040
able to do, especially at a

1461
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,040
Council. I don't think we should

1462
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,040
all line up and say the same

1463
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,040
thing. So I think everybody

1464
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,040
should be allowed to have a

1465
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,040
difference of opinion. But those

1466
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,040
differences of opinion must be

1467
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,040
tolerated. And that's what we

1468
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,040
are getting at here, sir. So I

1469
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,040
take what you are saying and I

1470
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,040
appreciate what you are saying.

1471
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,040
And I concur, entirely. Thank

1472
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,040
you very much. The next

1473
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,040
question, oh, Paul, you wanted

1474
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,040
to speak?

1475
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,000
>> Just --

1476
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,000
>> Commenting on your comment

1477
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000
there, if you remember, I think

1478
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000
it was and a February the mayor

1479
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,000
of Gatineau resigned. The

1480
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000
minister was very open and said

1481
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000
she was prepared, because there

1482
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,000
are a lot of resignations of

1483
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
elected officials in the past

1484
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,000
few months, since the election.

1485
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000
And she said her service, they

1486
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,000
are open, willing to work with

1487
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,000
people as an accompaniment -- En

1488
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000
compagnie des gens dans les

1489
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
conseils et les maires. So as a

1490
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
result of that, and a result of

1491
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
the comments we are giving about

1492
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
we are not working together and

1493
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,000
everything else, we decided to

1494
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000
take that opportunity that she

1495
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,000
is given to us. It's not

1496
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,000
somebody from Qu?bec thinking --

1497
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,000
sticking their nose in our

1498
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000
business. This is someone who

1499
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
has experience, Ministry of

1500
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
municipal affairs. It's not some

1501
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000
reheating contractor looking for

1502
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,060
a profit. They will send a

1503
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:02,060
representative who knows the

1504
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:05,060
law, who know how things work in

1505
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:06,060
municipalities, to come and look

1506
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:08,060
at our situation and see if they

1507
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:11,060
can propose something or work

1508
00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:12,060
together.. That is the whole

1509
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:14,060
thing. They are not coming here

1510
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:17,060
to check on us. It's not the

1511
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:18,060
gusto, and there's no

1512
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:19,060
trusteeship, there's no fraud,

1513
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:21,060
there's none of that. They are

1514
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,060
coming here to try to work with

1515
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:24,060
us and we have people with

1516
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:25,060
different experience and what

1517
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:27,060
have you to try to come up with

1518
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:30,060
some kind of an idea. So we

1519
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:32,060
thought it was, with all the

1520
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:34,060
criticism that we thought that

1521
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:36,060
was a positive move to go to the

1522
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:37,060
people that are probably the

1523
00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:41,060
most objective and they have no

1524
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:42,060
-- Ils n'ont pas de parti pris.

1525
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:44,060
They are just there to offer the

1526
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:45,060
service. So we took her up on

1527
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:47,060
her offer, and that is why

1528
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,060
someone will be here to meet

1529
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:50,060
with us.

1530
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:52,060
>> And I could just add to that,

1531
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:55,060
we took -- we had a wonderful

1532
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:58,060
opportunity, having you here,

1533
00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:59,060
Councillor Tremblay pointed out

1534
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:00,020
that last time, in fact, it's no

1535
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:02,020
different now than it has been

1536
00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:03,020
under previous mandates and

1537
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:05,020
previous mayors, and there is a

1538
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:06,020
culture of this. And we have

1539
00:52:06,020 --> 00:52:10,020
gone back and -- go back to the

1540
00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:11,020
webcast, I encourage you all to

1541
00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:13,020
do it, previous administrations,

1542
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:14,020
you will see the exact same

1543
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:15,020
behaviour, and sometimes worse.

1544
00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:17,020
So I'm intrigued that it is all

1545
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:18,020
of a sudden dramatic now, when

1546
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:22,020
in fact it is not. It is a

1547
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:23,020
continuity. And you can find

1548
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:26,020
that out for yourselves. Call a

1549
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:27,020
debatable statement, go back,

1550
00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:29,020
and I've said it again and again

1551
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:30,020
over again, go back and watch

1552
00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:32,020
the webcasts. Go back to

1553
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:34,020
previous administrations. I

1554
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:39,020
happen to half of the town of

1555
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:40,020
around all, where it is far

1556
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:42,020
worse than. Here I've seen three

1557
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:44,020
or four council meetings from

1558
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:45,020
other parts of Qu?bec that are

1559
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,020
way worse than here. So you're

1560
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:48,020
right, it's always good to get

1561
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:49,020
help. But let's not get overly

1562
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:51,020
dramatic here. That would be my

1563
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:53,020
interpretation of that. Yes,

1564
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:55,020
there are dysfunctions. But

1565
00:52:55,020 --> 00:52:56,020
overall, the city runs very

1566
00:52:56,020 --> 00:53:00,080
well. And it's not a cause for a

1567
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,080
crisis. Sure, you can always

1568
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,080
improve things, but it's not a

1569
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,080
crisis, that's my take on this.

1570
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,080
So will that do it? Oh yes,

1571
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:16,080
sorry, sorry Miss duet. So

1572
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,080
offspring.

1573
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,080
>> Okay, I'm going to try not

1574
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,080
waste the -- I'm going to try

1575
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,080
and not waste over time. I just

1576
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,080
want to bring up an issue that I

1577
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,080
have had with the City. The

1578
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,080
light, the pedestrian high

1579
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:44,080
flashing lights on Saint John

1580
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,080
and over the 40, I reported to

1581
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,080
the city at the end of January

1582
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,080
that one was broken. They

1583
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,080
confirmed January 30th that it

1584
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:59,080
was broken, but it took them all

1585
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,040
until the beginning of May to

1586
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:06,040
actually fix it. And there are

1587
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,040
three other ones broken right

1588
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,040
now. I tested it yesterday

1589
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,040
night. My question is when will

1590
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,040
they be fixed? And how can the

1591
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,040
city improve so that there is

1592
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,040
not a several month delay in

1593
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,040
fixing a safety issue?

1594
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,040
>> Yeah. The one over the 40,

1595
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,040
are you talking the one where

1596
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,040
there is the exit, when you're

1597
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,040
going over and there is the -- I

1598
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,040
hate that one. That is -- that

1599
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,040
makes me cringe, I don't know

1600
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,040
how citizens get across that.

1601
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,040
Bear in mind --

1602
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,040
>> Even with the light.

1603
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,040
>> It's remarkable.

1604
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,040
>> Even with the light, some

1605
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,040
people just ignore it. But I

1606
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,000
would rather have it not.

1607
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,000
>> A lot of this is parts.

1608
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,000
Sadly, you are waiting to get a

1609
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,000
part to fix, something which in

1610
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,000
the meantime peoples lives are

1611
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,000
in danger. So, yes you could

1612
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,000
technically put police officers

1613
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,000
at every one of these spots, but

1614
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,000
that's kind of costly. But I

1615
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,000
hear what you are saying. Madam

1616
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Verdun, is there any solution to

1617
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
flashing lights across

1618
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,000
sidewalks?

1619
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,000
>> The report that lights that

1620
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,000
--

1621
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,000
>> I reported it, but it took

1622
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,000
several months to do. The new

1623
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,000
ones that I discovered I did not

1624
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,000
report them.

1625
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,000
>> Report them.

1626
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,000
>> Can you report, them and I

1627
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,000
can answer you with the

1628
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,000
timeframe?

1629
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,000
>> When I asked earlier, they

1630
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,000
said they could not give me a

1631
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000
timeframe.

1632
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,000
>> Yes, but report it tomorrow

1633
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,000
and we can answer, okay?

1634
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,000
>> Okay, that's. All

1635
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,000
>> Thanks, I appreciate. Linda

1636
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,000
--?

1637
00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:07,060
>> Hello. On May 6th, sorry, May

1638
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:10,060
5th, I sent a email to the City,

1639
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:13,060
and I'm not even received an

1640
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:14,060
acknowledgement a four seat of

1641
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:16,060
the email. And it concerns an

1642
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:19,060
online survey posted by Tara

1643
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:20,060
Stainforth to her Tara

1644
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:21,060
Stainforth city councillor

1645
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:25,060
Facebook group. She has put a

1646
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:26,060
survey, and this poll is not

1647
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:28,060
done by an organized plant

1648
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:30,060
company, it's a Google doc. So

1649
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:32,060
this is essentially a virtual

1650
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:35,060
word for assessor site where

1651
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:38,060
people can contribute. Tara

1652
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:39,060
asked for people to contribute

1653
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:41,060
personal information, including

1654
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:43,060
name, address, email address,

1655
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:45,060
and multi card number. And I

1656
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:46,060
wrote in the email that there's

1657
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:48,060
no promise of confidentiality

1658
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:49,060
for the information that she is

1659
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:50,060
collecting and this is

1660
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:52,060
completely unethical and I think

1661
00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:55,060
it's also a contravention of

1662
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:58,060
privacy legislation. This

1663
00:56:58,060 --> 00:56:59,060
legislation prohibits the

1664
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:00,020
collection and use of personal

1665
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:04,020
data with expressed consent. She

1666
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:06,020
should not be asking for multi

1667
00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:08,020
card numbers. It is not a system

1668
00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:10,020
that she has any administrative

1669
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:12,020
access to, nor do I think she

1670
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:14,020
has any legal right to ask for

1671
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:19,020
the numbers. And if this is, as

1672
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:22,020
I suspect, unlawful, what are

1673
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:25,020
you gonna do about it, and when?

1674
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:27,020
And are you going to report

1675
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:28,020
this? Because that would also be

1676
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:30,020
your obligation because she is

1677
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:33,020
part of your City organization.

1678
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:35,020
>> Are you asking --

1679
00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:37,020
>> I am asking you if you know

1680
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:39,020
anything about this or if -- I

1681
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:41,020
did see you on the original

1682
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:42,020
email, or the second email I

1683
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:44,020
sent, because I did not receive

1684
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:48,020
a reply. And the I don't know if

1685
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:50,020
it got passed on to anyone else

1686
00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:52,020
in the city. I sent it to the

1687
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:55,020
city clerk.

1688
00:57:55,020 --> 00:57:56,020
>> You sent it to me and the

1689
00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:57,020
graph?

1690
00:57:57,020 --> 00:57:58,020
>> I sent it to them initially

1691
00:57:58,020 --> 00:57:59,020
but then the graph a second time

1692
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:01,080
and I have CCU.

1693
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,080
>> Well, it's an interesting

1694
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,080
point. This is a month after the

1695
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,080
City logo was used on authorized

1696
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,080
in a local distribution, news

1697
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,080
distribution letter. So, I'm a

1698
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,080
little concerned about this kind

1699
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,080
of thing. I am not sure the

1700
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
laws. I'm not an expert on this,

1701
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,080
myself. It sounds to me, the

1702
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,080
multi cart element sounds a

1703
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,080
little intriguing. But I'm not a

1704
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,080
pro, I'm not an expert at this

1705
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,080
kind of thing. I will ask Madame

1706
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,080
Verdun or Mr. Scheer wired, do

1707
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,080
we have a city policy on this

1708
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,080
kind of thing? Is there any, are

1709
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,080
we, in any way, crossing lines

1710
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,080
in such an activity?

1711
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,080
>> Unfortunately, I didn't have

1712
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,080
the email that would refer, so I

1713
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,080
cannot answer right now. But we

1714
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,080
are under the law that all the

1715
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,080
law of municipal affairs, we

1716
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,080
have to respect.

1717
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,080
>> This would be not covered by

1718
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,080
a bylaw. This would be federal

1719
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,040
and provincial law.

1720
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,040
>> Well, Madam Thibault --

1721
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,040
>> There's also a duty to

1722
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,040
report.

1723
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,040
>> I think -- referred to the

1724
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,040
raw -- protection of personal

1725
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,040
rights

1726
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,040
La Loi d'acc?s ? l'information

1727
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,040
et la protection des

1728
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,040
renseignements personnels. >> I

1729
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,040
suppose that this is a lawyer

1730
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,040
referring to. Any of the privacy

1731
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,040
legislation, including the

1732
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,040
federal and the provincial.

1733
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,040
>> Okay, there is only one and

1734
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,040
that's the one I just stated.

1735
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,040
Mrs. Stainforth, I know for a

1736
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,040
fact that she posted that kind

1737
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,040
of survey. But since people, at

1738
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,040
first glance, I did not beat dig

1739
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,040
too deep in that question

1740
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,040
because I've been aware of your

1741
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,040
email regarding this issue. But

1742
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,040
Mrs. Stainforth, she has a right

1743
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,040
to publish that kind of survey.

1744
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,040
People are not forced to answer.

1745
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,040
They are not forced to provide

1746
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,040
them with, Mrs. Stainforth with

1747
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,040
the --

1748
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,040
>> If you could allow, Miss --

1749
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,040
>> It says, if they're going to

1750
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,040
answer the survey, it says

1751
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,040
obligatory field.

1752
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,000
>> They are not obliged to

1753
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,000
insert the survey --

1754
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,000
>> Miss duet, allow madame

1755
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,000
Thibault to finish answering

1756
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,000
before a subsequent question.

1757
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,000
>> I'm done.

1758
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,000
>> You're done? Okay, one more

1759
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,000
question --

1760
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,000
>> The legislation says that

1761
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,000
when you ask for the

1762
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,000
information, you must give

1763
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,000
express conditions that you're

1764
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,000
going to use it for. It does not

1765
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
say that oh, because you don't

1766
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,000
have to ask, and to the

1767
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,000
information, therefore, I don't

1768
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,000
have to tell you anything that

1769
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,000
I'm going to do with your

1770
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,000
information if you give it to

1771
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000
me. Up front, the legislation

1772
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:38,000
says that you must put a wording

1773
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000
that tells people exactly what

1774
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,000
you're going to do with the

1775
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,000
information they send you, and

1776
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,000
how you're going to protect

1777
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,000
their information. This did not

1778
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,000
happen, and so, there is no

1779
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,000
protection from them. Google

1780
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,000
offers no protection because

1781
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,000
this is not a Google survey.

1782
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
This is a bubble dock, which

1783
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,000
lives in the cloud and anyone

1784
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,060
that Harris Stainforth gives

1785
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:01,060
administrative access to can see

1786
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:04,060
everything on it. She now has

1787
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:06,060
information that she has made

1788
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:08,060
absolutely no promises about

1789
01:01:08,060 --> 01:01:10,060
what she is going to do with it.

1790
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:12,060
So as far as I'm concerned, it's

1791
01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:15,060
not legal and you have to do

1792
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:17,060
something about it.

1793
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:20,060
>> Councillor Stork, a citizen

1794
01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:22,060
is asking a question. Thank you,

1795
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:23,060
Miss Duette.

1796
01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:24,060
>> I have a second question

1797
01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:25,060
because I'm not getting an

1798
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:26,060
answer to this one.

1799
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:29,060
>> Well, my answer is that I

1800
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:31,060
will look into this, I

1801
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:32,060
absolutely, I promised to look

1802
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:33,060
into this and find out the

1803
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:35,060
legalities. Once we know the

1804
01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:38,060
legality, I mean, Madam people

1805
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:40,060
just answered. I will look into

1806
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:41,060
the legalities of it, but I'm

1807
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:43,060
not an expert in this kind of

1808
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:45,060
thing, but I will look into it.

1809
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:47,060
Yeah, I will let Councillor

1810
01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:48,060
Stainforth comment or do you

1811
01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:49,060
want to ask a second?

1812
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:52,060
>> I'm not interested in your

1813
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:53,060
motivation --

1814
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:55,060
>> Miss Duette, she does get to

1815
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:57,060
speak to the issue. --

1816
01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:58,060
>> Miss, it does say please not

1817
01:01:58,060 --> 01:02:00,020
the information -- in her people

1818
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:02,020
answer once only and for no

1819
01:02:02,020 --> 01:02:05,020
other purpose. And I even wrote,

1820
01:02:05,020 --> 01:02:06,020
some people are like, I don't

1821
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:08,020
have a multi-card. It doesn't

1822
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:09,020
require a multi-card number. You

1823
01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:10,020
could've put all spaces in and

1824
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:12,020
that would've been fine. I have

1825
01:02:12,020 --> 01:02:13,020
lots of people who wrote, I

1826
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:16,020
don't have a multi-card, 000. I

1827
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:18,020
even wrote on my Facebook post

1828
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:21,020
that you can just put 11111. It

1829
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:22,020
is fine. It's just that I wanted

1830
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:24,020
to make sure that no one was

1831
01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:27,020
impersonating anyone else.

1832
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:29,020
>> That wording would not --

1833
01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:30,020
>> Miss Duette, we won't get

1834
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:31,020
into a debate here. Do you have

1835
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:33,020
a second question?

1836
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:36,020
>> Concerning 13 Julian, the

1837
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:37,020
demolition of this building of

1838
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:39,020
heritage interest, probably

1839
01:02:39,020 --> 01:02:40,020
would not have been happening if

1840
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:41,020
the City of Pointe-Claire had

1841
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:42,020
followed the directives from the

1842
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:44,020
province to update our

1843
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:45,020
demolition bylaw, to conform to

1844
01:02:45,020 --> 01:02:47,020
the new law and land use and

1845
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:49,020
urban planning. Although we have

1846
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:52,020
until April, 2026 to update the

1847
01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:54,020
entire demolition bylaw, we

1848
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:56,020
were, by April 1st, 2023, we

1849
01:02:56,020 --> 01:03:00,080
were supposed to have updated

1850
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,080
the parts covering the heritage

1851
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,080
buildings, including the

1852
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,080
provisions consistent with the

1853
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,080
provisions in the new land use

1854
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,080
and urban planning act. And we

1855
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,080
have not done so. And the new

1856
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,080
plans for 13 Julian are almost

1857
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,080
identical to the first plans we

1858
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,080
submitted. Which don't conform

1859
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,080
to this -- in terms of the

1860
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,080
materials and the volume, and of

1861
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,080
course, fitting into the

1862
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,080
neighbourhood. And this style of

1863
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:34,080
the new proposed replacement

1864
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,080
project uses that -- that sort

1865
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:40,080
of lovely references the

1866
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,080
neighbourhood architectural

1867
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,080
styles. And this is coming up on

1868
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,080
item 17.5, and I'm urging the

1869
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,080
Council not to approve the

1870
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,080
monster house that they're

1871
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,080
planning to drop into this

1872
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,080
little neighbourhood. And to

1873
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,080
reject it and put them back to

1874
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,040
the drawing board, and have a

1875
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,040
policy that fits more coherently

1876
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,040
with the heritage neighbourhood

1877
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,040
that it isn't. And I guess when

1878
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,040
you vote on 17.5, I will have my

1879
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,040
answer. Thank you.

1880
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:21,040
>> Thank you. Paul Valois?

1881
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,040
>> Yeah, the first thing I just

1882
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,040
wanted to mention here is for

1883
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,040
the potable water pipe that's

1884
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,040
come out of the street there,

1885
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,040
continuing on St. Claire and I'm

1886
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,040
Victoria, right?

1887
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,040
>> Sorry, which water pipes?

1888
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,040
>> Potable water pipe, okay? So,

1889
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,040
it's going to keep going along

1890
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,040
until it gets to Victoria

1891
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,000
Avenue, right?

1892
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,000
>> Is it going through Victoria

1893
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,000
Avenue? Madame Verdun? -- To get

1894
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,000
to the plant.

1895
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,000
>> The one that they are doing

1896
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,000
right now -- Lakeview, that

1897
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000
project?

1898
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
>> Yeah. Lakeside and are coming

1899
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,000
up --

1900
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,000
>> Yes, eventually -- will go up

1901
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,000
to Victoria.

1902
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000
>> You will go to Victoria,

1903
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,000
right? You said yes?

1904
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000
>> Yes.

1905
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
>> The problem is with the St.

1906
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,000
Claire Street part of it, it has

1907
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000
no -- life at night and no

1908
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,000
sidewalks, so when you start

1909
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
putting a lot of construction

1910
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,000
stuff there, I mean, you've got

1911
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,000
something going on over there,

1912
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,000
-- I think at least what we

1913
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,000
could do is improve the lighting

1914
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,000
there because I know I walk my

1915
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,000
dog there, a black dog at night,

1916
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,000
and other people are walking,

1917
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,000
they have to step on peoples

1918
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,000
lawns so that you don't get run

1919
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,000
over from a car going one way

1920
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,000
and when the other way.

1921
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,060
>> Are there that many cars,

1922
01:06:00,060 --> 01:06:01,060
sir? I mean, I've been along

1923
01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:02,060
there.

1924
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:04,060
>> Yeah, especially these days.

1925
01:06:04,060 --> 01:06:06,060
Cars -- very busy. People are

1926
01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:08,060
going back and forth.

1927
01:06:08,060 --> 01:06:10,060
>> Along St. Claire where the

1928
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:12,060
construction is now, I mean,

1929
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:13,060
it's very --

1930
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:14,060
>> I'm not talking about that.

1931
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:16,060
I'm talking when the pipe comes

1932
01:06:16,060 --> 01:06:17,060
along their.

1933
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:18,060
>> Eventually.

1934
01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:20,060
>> Yeah eventually -- right?

1935
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:22,060
>> Probably in time for the

1936
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:25,060
winter. Right? So, anyway, the

1937
01:06:25,060 --> 01:06:26,060
other thing is --

1938
01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:28,060
>> That is the City of Montr?al,

1939
01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:30,060
by the way. Just so that you

1940
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:31,060
know.

1941
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:32,060
>> Well, it's actually on our

1942
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:33,060
property.

1943
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:34,060
>> Yes, it's on our property but

1944
01:06:34,060 --> 01:06:35,060
it is the City of Montr?al, just

1945
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:36,060
so you know.

1946
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:37,060
>> Okay but the request I'm

1947
01:06:37,060 --> 01:06:40,060
giving you there is at least, I

1948
01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:41,060
know it's going to be, please

1949
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:43,060
get some decent lighting, okay?

1950
01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:45,060
>> We will certainly look into

1951
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:46,060
that one.

1952
01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:48,060
>> So, I'm not going to take 15

1953
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:50,060
minutes to go on with things,

1954
01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:53,060
but I think what is going on at

1955
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:55,060
times here is that some people

1956
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:57,060
are giving sermons rather than

1957
01:06:57,060 --> 01:06:59,060
asking questions and we've been

1958
01:06:59,060 --> 01:07:01,020
averaging almost 15 minutes per

1959
01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:03,020
person so far. So, I'm not going

1960
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:08,020
to end up with too many people

1961
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:10,020
-- out there. I would suggest,

1962
01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:13,020
as I have in the past, put a

1963
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:14,020
little time limit on it.

1964
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:16,020
>> We have a 90 minute time

1965
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:17,020
limit, we are halfway through

1966
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:20,020
the list, sir. So, I suspect we

1967
01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:22,020
are going to make it just fine

1968
01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:24,020
>> Okay but seem it seems like a

1969
01:07:24,020 --> 01:07:25,020
filibuster.

1970
01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:26,020
>> I don't find that a

1971
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:28,020
filibuster. Have you ever seen a

1972
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:30,020
filibuster? Well, a filibuster

1973
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:31,020
is a lot worse than that and

1974
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:34,020
it's usually nonsensical. But

1975
01:07:34,020 --> 01:07:36,020
citizens coming up, sometimes

1976
01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:39,020
for their very first time, to a

1977
01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:42,020
microphone to city hall, do not

1978
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:44,020
deserve to be hastened, or

1979
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:45,020
rushed, or scolded, or lectured

1980
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:47,020
on process. Once someone comes

1981
01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:48,020
up for their first time, you

1982
01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:49,020
give them a little bit of

1983
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:52,020
respect and you know, it is a

1984
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:54,020
fine line. But yeah, you can go

1985
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:56,020
boom, boom, boom. But do the

1986
01:07:56,020 --> 01:07:57,020
citizens go home feeling like

1987
01:07:57,020 --> 01:07:58,020
they've been listened to? This

1988
01:07:58,020 --> 01:08:00,080
is the dilemma of running this

1989
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,080
process. The other extreme of

1990
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,080
this is far worse than this. The

1991
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,080
other extreme where nobody gets

1992
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,080
heard, but it all goes through

1993
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,080
look pretty quick machine,

1994
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:13,080
that's far less democratic.

1995
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,080
David Johnson, I certainly

1996
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:15,080
answered a question, sir. I've

1997
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,080
done my best at that, nobody

1998
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,080
will argue with that.

1999
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:32,080
>> David Johnson, district one.

2000
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,080
No doubt, there's a lot of

2001
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,080
politics behind what is going on

2002
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,080
now in Pointe-Claire. But with

2003
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,080
this motion, that was approved

2004
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,080
at the special meeting three

2005
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:45,080
weeks ago, task and mediator

2006
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,080
from the Qu?bec Ministry of

2007
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,080
municipal affairs to come in and

2008
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,080
help Pointe-Claire Council with

2009
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,080
the management of its public and

2010
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,080
private council meetings. I

2011
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,080
trust, though, that this is not

2012
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,040
going to be the mediators first

2013
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,040
dysfunction rodeo. And that he

2014
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,040
will be able, or she will be

2015
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,040
able, to separate operations

2016
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:11,040
from politics. And given the

2017
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,040
political divisions in

2018
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,040
Pointe-Claire here, I am

2019
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,040
thinking that it would help if

2020
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,040
the mediators findings are made

2021
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,040
public. Councillor Stork said,

2022
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,040
at that special meeting three

2023
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,040
weeks ago, that he would be

2024
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:29,040
happy to support public

2025
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,040
disclosure. It's possible that

2026
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,040
the mediator is going to

2027
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,040
conclude that the rules that

2028
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,040
Pointe-Claire has had in place

2029
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,040
since 2006 on how question

2030
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,040
period should be run are being

2031
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,040
ignored. Or selectively enforced

2032
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,040
by the mayor. From what I can

2033
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,040
see, in the last meeting in here

2034
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,040
tonight, and from what I

2035
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,040
experienced myself here a month

2036
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,040
ago, the mayor runs meetings

2037
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,040
with too heavy a political hand.

2038
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,000
Letting people who support him

2039
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,000
run on unchallenged. But

2040
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,000
shutting down people interviews

2041
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,000
he doesn't like. But this is my

2042
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,000
view, that is subjective. I

2043
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,000
understand that there are people

2044
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,000
who support the mayor that would

2045
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,000
have a different view. So, my

2046
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,000
question is really on an

2047
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,000
objective matter and it has to

2048
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,000
do with a clause in the

2049
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,000
audience. We heard applause here

2050
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,000
tonight, which is not allowed.

2051
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,000
We saw that the mayor didn't

2052
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,000
check, against applause. We saw

2053
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,000
last at the special meeting that

2054
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,000
every councillor made a short

2055
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:45,000
speech and was allowed to speak.

2056
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,000
Whether for or against the

2057
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,000
motion. But after the speech by

2058
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,000
one councillor, Councillor

2059
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,000
Tremblay, there was applause in

2060
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,000
the audience, and the mayor just

2061
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:04,060
let it pass. But applause is not

2062
01:11:04,060 --> 01:11:05,060
permitted under the rules

2063
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:07,060
governing question period in

2064
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:08,060
Pointe-Claire, so my question

2065
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:10,060
is, as chair of the meeting,

2066
01:11:10,060 --> 01:11:12,060
Mister Mayor, are you

2067
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:15,060
deliberately letting applause go

2068
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:17,060
unchecked, or was tonight and

2069
01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:20,060
last week unfortunate and

2070
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:21,060
momentary lapse in judgment on

2071
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:23,060
your part?

2072
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:24,060
>> If you consider that a lapse

2073
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:27,060
in judgment, Mr. Johnston, I

2074
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:29,060
take that and I take exception

2075
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:33,060
at that. You think it's possible

2076
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:36,060
that the mediator is going to

2077
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:38,060
conclude blah, blah, blah. Well,

2078
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:40,060
I think it's possible the

2079
01:11:40,060 --> 01:11:41,060
mediator is going to conclude

2080
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:44,060
that a very earnest, kind mayor

2081
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:45,060
has been treated rather

2082
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:47,060
shabbily. That could be a

2083
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:48,060
possible conclusion as well.

2084
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:50,060
Your possible conclusion is your

2085
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:51,060
possible conclusion and mine is

2086
01:11:51,060 --> 01:11:53,060
my possible conclusion. Which

2087
01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:56,060
renders yours and mine quite

2088
01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:59,060
equal. To have a political hand

2089
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:02,020
for people who agree with me,

2090
01:12:02,020 --> 01:12:06,020
that is beyond imagine

2091
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:08,020
ridiculous. I have sat and let

2092
01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:10,020
people who disagree with me go

2093
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:12,020
on endlessly, and I have

2094
01:12:12,020 --> 01:12:13,020
deliberately allowed people to

2095
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:15,020
disagree with me to go longer

2096
01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:17,020
than people who agree with me.

2097
01:12:17,020 --> 01:12:19,020
I've done that on purpose.

2098
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:20,020
Ladies and gentlemen, once

2099
01:12:20,020 --> 01:12:23,020
again, if you want to see who is

2100
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:24,020
right or wrong on this, the

2101
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:26,020
transparency on this, please

2102
01:12:26,020 --> 01:12:28,020
watch the webcast. You will see

2103
01:12:28,020 --> 01:12:29,020
the people who disagree with me,

2104
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:31,020
in fact, usually get more time

2105
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:35,020
than people who do. As for, so

2106
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:37,020
my heavy political hand, I

2107
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:39,020
think, is highly suspect on Mr.

2108
01:12:39,020 --> 01:12:40,020
Johnson's behalf. I think that's

2109
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:41,020
completely not true and all you

2110
01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:45,020
have to do is watch. Finally, on

2111
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:48,020
applause, yes, people applauded

2112
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:51,020
Mr. Tremblay, you know? I've

2113
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:52,020
told people that a pause is not

2114
01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:54,020
allowed. It was brief, it did

2115
01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:56,020
not last very long. They did not

2116
01:12:56,020 --> 01:12:58,020
applaud me, they did, actually.

2117
01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:01,080
They started to but it stopped.

2118
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,080
What do you do if people

2119
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,080
applaud? I mean, do you

2120
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,080
reprimand them all and tell them

2121
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,080
all to go home? I mean, you can

2122
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,080
actually suggest, as I have

2123
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,080
done, you can suggest -- Mr.

2124
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,080
Johnson, I'm speaking, Mr.

2125
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,080
Johnston. Thank you, Mr.

2126
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,080
Johnston, I'm speaking, Mr.

2127
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,080
Johnson, thank you. The rules

2128
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,080
say we allow people to finish

2129
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,080
speaking before we interrupt.

2130
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:27,080
So, what happens is that

2131
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:28,080
applause is spontaneous and

2132
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,080
happens just like that. I can't

2133
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,080
anticipate it and I've told

2134
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,080
people not to applaud, okay? On

2135
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,080
numerous occasions. It happens.

2136
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,080
Well, do we not have Council

2137
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,080
meetings? Or do you suggest that

2138
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,080
people shouldn't applaud and

2139
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,080
maybe we might want to change

2140
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,080
that rule. Rules can often be

2141
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,080
changed over time and I think

2142
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,080
that's one that may be a prime

2143
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,080
candidate. So, hopefully that

2144
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,080
answers your question, Mr.

2145
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,080
Johnson.

2146
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,080
>> My follow-up question, with

2147
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,080
no preamble, is this. Why did

2148
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,040
you let the first two people

2149
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,040
from the audience who spoke

2150
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:05,040
against the motion at the

2151
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,040
special meeting come back a

2152
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,040
second time till the microphone?

2153
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,040
>> What are you talking about?

2154
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,040
>> At the end of question period

2155
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,040
at the last special meeting.

2156
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,040
>> At the last special meeting?

2157
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,040
Because they asked and asked the

2158
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,040
-- if it was allowed, I asked if

2159
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:19,040
that was allowed and I was told

2160
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,040
that it was. So, I allow them.

2161
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,040
If you watch, ladies and

2162
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:24,040
gentlemen, Mr. Johnson, I'm

2163
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,040
answering your question.

2164
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,040
>> Let me finish.

2165
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,040
>> Mr. Johnson, I'm asking your

2166
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,040
question, Mr. Johnson. Again,

2167
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,040
people are allowed to finish

2168
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,040
speaking, Mr. Johnson we had

2169
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,040
this discussion before, haven't

2170
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,040
we? What happened last time was

2171
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,040
that I was not sure myself

2172
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:42,040
whether the person could come up

2173
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,040
a second time, so I asked and

2174
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:48,040
you can watch me -- the truth is

2175
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,040
in the webcast. Okay? I asked,

2176
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,040
is he allowed to come back and

2177
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,040
ask a second question? Miss

2178
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,040
Weaver, are you motion rudely

2179
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,040
for any particular reason? Okay,

2180
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,000
your hand is waiving is making

2181
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,000
an interesting, had Eddie Howe,

2182
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,000
Mr. Johnson, the bottom line is

2183
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,000
that I asked what the rules were

2184
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,000
and I was told that the person

2185
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,000
could answer their second

2186
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,000
question. So, that is your

2187
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,000
second question, Mr. Johnson.

2188
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
>> Let me just find out one

2189
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,000
thing that you had said

2190
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,000
yourself, I've noticed that you

2191
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,000
look to the DG for guidance but

2192
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,000
did you forget --

2193
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,000
>> The greffe actually, not the

2194
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,000
DG.

2195
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,000
>> In October, 2022 meeting, the

2196
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,000
one after the chaotic -- that

2197
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,000
you said --

2198
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,000
>> You call the -- meeting

2199
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,000
chaotic? Okay, in your opinion,

2200
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,000
Mr. Johnson. Chaotic is a, Mr.

2201
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,000
Johnson, it's a pretty dramatic

2202
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
word.

2203
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,000
>> Let me just finish, let me

2204
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,000
just finish.

2205
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,000
>> Are you going somewhere with

2206
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,000
this?

2207
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,000
>> You said enough is enough.

2208
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,000
From now on in Pointe-Claire,

2209
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,000
and I quote, speakers will only

2210
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,000
be allowed to go to the

2211
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,000
microphone once. So, you created

2212
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,000
a discretionary rule of your

2213
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,060
own, that you broke three weeks

2214
01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:01,060
ago.

2215
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:02,060
>> Okay, Mr. Johnson, I'm going

2216
01:16:02,060 --> 01:16:03,060
to answer that question and

2217
01:16:03,060 --> 01:16:05,060
questions are now done, okay?

2218
01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:08,060
That is kind of clown like, I

2219
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:10,060
might add. The answer to your

2220
01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:12,060
question is that it wasn't the

2221
01:16:12,060 --> 01:16:13,060
regular agenda meeting. It was a

2222
01:16:13,060 --> 01:16:15,060
special general meeting and

2223
01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:16,060
there might have been different

2224
01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:18,060
rules applied. As a first time

2225
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:20,060
mayor, I did not know if the

2226
01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:22,060
regular general meeting rules

2227
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:23,060
applied also to the Special

2228
01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:24,060
general meeting because we are

2229
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:26,060
dealing with a particular issue.

2230
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:30,060
So, I asked the graph if during

2231
01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:31,060
a special general meeting,

2232
01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:32,060
people could go up and ask a

2233
01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:34,060
second question, which, in fact,

2234
01:16:34,060 --> 01:16:35,060
they are allowed to do. Thank

2235
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:40,060
you for your question, sir.

2236
01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:42,060
Janet Hannah.

2237
01:16:48,060 --> 01:16:50,060
>> If I may, Mister Mayor, just

2238
01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:52,060
before the questions. It will be

2239
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:54,060
a very short comment. I

2240
01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:56,060
understand that respect goes

2241
01:16:56,060 --> 01:17:00,020
both ways. It should, anyways.

2242
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:06,020
Don't you find Madam -- because

2243
01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:11,020
she is on tape, dismissive

2244
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:16,020
comment, words, Councillor

2245
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:18,020
Stainforth it respectful?

2246
01:17:18,020 --> 01:17:20,020
>> No, not exactly, Mr.

2247
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:22,020
Cousineau. Although Mr.

2248
01:17:22,020 --> 01:17:23,020
Cousineau is asking a question

2249
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:25,020
from Council, which is not

2250
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:27,020
supposed to be done. But

2251
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:29,020
according to the rules. But I

2252
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:31,020
will answer it and say that Miss

2253
01:17:31,020 --> 01:17:34,020
De Witt ask the question about

2254
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:38,020
whether people are allowed to do

2255
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:40,020
surveys, using certain

2256
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:41,020
technology. She's asking if it

2257
01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:43,020
is allowed. She's asking a

2258
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:45,020
legitimate question. If the

2259
01:17:45,020 --> 01:17:47,020
answer is yes, the answer is

2260
01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:49,020
yes. If the answer is no, the

2261
01:17:49,020 --> 01:17:51,020
answer is no. She asked a

2262
01:17:51,020 --> 01:17:53,020
legitimate question of a citizen

2263
01:17:53,020 --> 01:17:56,020
of Pointe-Claire, who is asked

2264
01:17:56,020 --> 01:17:57,020
or who had a survey that was

2265
01:17:57,020 --> 01:17:59,020
being asked to a lot of citizens

2266
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:01,080
and some I've heard quite a few

2267
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,080
citizens asking if it is legit.

2268
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,080
So, for her to ask whether

2269
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,080
that's a proper procedure is not

2270
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,080
rooted, it's a legitimate

2271
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,080
citizens question, in my

2272
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,080
opinion. Janet Hanna, yes, Miss

2273
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:15,080
Hannah, thank you for your

2274
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:16,080
patience.

2275
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,080
>> You're welcome, thank you.

2276
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,080
So, in tonight's meeting when

2277
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,080
you started out the meeting, you

2278
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,080
said that in 2023, there is a

2279
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,080
surplus of 24 million and the

2280
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:33,080
same year, you authorized the 24

2281
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,080
million dollar renovation of

2282
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,080
public works. In the budget,

2283
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,080
there is office supplies that

2284
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,080
was for 2023, June six, 2023.

2285
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,080
Office supplies for about

2286
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,080
$300,000. You are approving a

2287
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,080
change order in this meeting,

2288
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,040
15.7, for the amount about

2289
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:06,040
113,000 and some. So, my

2290
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,040
questions, there is a lot of

2291
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,040
money that's being spent and

2292
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,040
renovating one building for 24

2293
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,040
million a month, I don't know

2294
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,040
where it's at right now. Is it

2295
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:22,040
35 million? Is it 30 million?

2296
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,040
Where are we at?

2297
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,040
>> The number, is that your

2298
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,040
first question?

2299
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,040
>> Yeah.

2300
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,040
>> The number that springs to

2301
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,040
mind is me 13, maybe it's less

2302
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,040
than that. Mr. sagging, do we

2303
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,040
know where we are at on the

2304
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,040
overall expenditure on public

2305
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,040
works project?

2306
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,040
>> Yeah, we would have to look.

2307
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,040
>> Yeah, it will go up

2308
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,040
incrementally as the building

2309
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,040
comes to completion. Councillor

2310
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,040
Stork?

2311
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,040
>> As it stands right now, if

2312
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,040
I'm not mistaken I'm pretty sure

2313
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,040
at 38% completion. And 2% of the

2314
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,040
budget.

2315
01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:00,000
>> So, basically, you are

2316
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,000
donating money as well to

2317
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,000
nonprofit organizations. You're

2318
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,000
attending golf tournaments,

2319
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:10,000
you're attending evening balls

2320
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,000
to raise funds and raise money.

2321
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:19,000
The information is not clearly

2322
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,000
documented in on the website. We

2323
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,000
don't know what those nonprofit

2324
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,000
organizations are, how much

2325
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,000
money is going to each one, how

2326
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,000
they are run, by whom they are

2327
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,000
run. And it seems like a lot of

2328
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:38,000
our money is being squandered.

2329
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,000
We are paying a lot of taxes and

2330
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,000
so, there's a surplus of 24

2331
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,000
million and boom, the same year,

2332
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,000
there is a renovation of over 24

2333
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,000
million of a building. I mean, I

2334
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,000
don't know. Are we building a

2335
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,000
country on there? A city in

2336
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,000
there?

2337
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,000
>> Is that your second question?

2338
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,000
>> No! My question is that we

2339
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,060
need to have, we, the people of

2340
01:21:00,060 --> 01:21:02,060
Pointe-Claire, need to know the

2341
01:21:02,060 --> 01:21:03,060
details and need to actually be

2342
01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:07,060
able to vote and agree on how

2343
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:09,060
our money is being spent. And I

2344
01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:12,060
do not know how that works. And

2345
01:21:12,060 --> 01:21:14,060
it seems like it's you and the

2346
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:17,060
councillors who have that power

2347
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:20,060
to decide on how our money is

2348
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:22,060
being spent. We don't

2349
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:23,060
necessarily agree. I personally

2350
01:21:23,060 --> 01:21:26,060
don't see the benefit of a

2351
01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:30,060
building being, having being

2352
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:31,060
renovated for $24 million being

2353
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:33,060
of any value to me, of any

2354
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:36,060
benefit to me, while the garbage

2355
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:37,060
is being collected only once

2356
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:39,060
every two weeks, and in the

2357
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:41,060
summer, it's only for two months

2358
01:21:41,060 --> 01:21:43,060
that it's collected every week.

2359
01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:45,060
So, if we've got dogs, and cats,

2360
01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:46,060
and we've got children, and we

2361
01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:47,060
better diapers, we've got to

2362
01:21:47,060 --> 01:21:52,060
stay with the stinking bags of

2363
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:56,060
really of very, very smelly,

2364
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:59,060
dirty stuff, because the money

2365
01:21:59,060 --> 01:22:01,020
is not being spent where we

2366
01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:05,020
think it might be. It looks like

2367
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:06,020
there might be -- looks like the

2368
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:08,020
people of Pointe-Claire cannot

2369
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:11,020
vote on the budget and it seems

2370
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:13,020
like money is being spent

2371
01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:15,020
without actually considering it.

2372
01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:17,020
>> Miss Hannah, if I could cut

2373
01:22:17,020 --> 01:22:18,020
you short very quickly. If you

2374
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:19,020
look at the piece of paper in

2375
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:22,020
your hand, everything

2376
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:23,020
expenditure is being authorized

2377
01:22:23,020 --> 01:22:25,020
and passed in front of you in

2378
01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:27,020
Council. And it's completely

2379
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:28,020
transparent. If you look at all

2380
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:29,020
the expenditures, what we do in

2381
01:22:29,020 --> 01:22:31,020
these meetings is all our

2382
01:22:31,020 --> 01:22:32,020
expenditures are public and we

2383
01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:33,020
show them to you, and we vote on

2384
01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:35,020
them. Every single one of them,

2385
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:36,020
that's what these meetings are

2386
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:38,020
for the most part. As for the

2387
01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:40,020
public works project, you've had

2388
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:42,020
your questions, ma'am. As for

2389
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:45,020
the public works project, we had

2390
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:48,020
a special meeting for the, to

2391
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:49,020
authorize the public works

2392
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:50,020
project and we knew it was a

2393
01:22:50,020 --> 01:22:53,020
large expenditure, and we had

2394
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:57,020
two people come to that meeting.

2395
01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:58,020
To inquire about the public

2396
01:22:58,020 --> 01:23:00,080
works project, which was a huge

2397
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,080
project and we were expecting a

2398
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,080
lot more questions on it, but

2399
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:04,080
for the bulk of the

2400
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,080
Pointe-Claire citizenry, they

2401
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,080
understand how good our public

2402
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,080
works are and this was necessary

2403
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,080
for us to be able to deliver our

2404
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,080
public works in house and we

2405
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,080
self-sufficient as a city, and I

2406
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,080
think for the most part, the

2407
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:18,080
Pointe-Claire citizenry accept

2408
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,080
that and are okay with that

2409
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,080
project, provided it does not

2410
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,080
overrun and cost. So, what can I

2411
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:26,080
tell you? Those are the answers

2412
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,080
to your question and you've had

2413
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,080
your two questions.

2414
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,080
>> I don't think so because when

2415
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,080
you --

2416
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,080
>> I don't want to debate with

2417
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:34,080
you. I don't want to debate with

2418
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,080
you. Do you have a question?

2419
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,080
Subsequent question.

2420
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,080
>> Even if we don't agree with

2421
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,080
an item over here, for example,

2422
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,080
I don't agree with a contract

2423
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,080
with the addition in point 15.7

2424
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:46,080
of approving the change order. I

2425
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,080
personally do not agree with it.

2426
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,080
The nonprofit organization

2427
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,080
amount that you want to donate

2428
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,080
$250,000, I don't agree with

2429
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,080
that because I don't see what

2430
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,080
benefit those nonprofit

2431
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,040
organizations are giving to the

2432
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,040
people. If all this money were

2433
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,040
to actually be in our pockets,

2434
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,040
and we would have more spending

2435
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,040
power, we would not need all of

2436
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,040
these.

2437
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,040
>> I will answer that one

2438
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,040
quickly and this is the last

2439
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,040
question. A lot of the beauty of

2440
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,040
what we do in municipal

2441
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:17,040
government and, this is one of

2442
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,040
the nice parts of the job, is

2443
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,040
that there are holes in the

2444
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,040
social safety network. That

2445
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,040
there are no organizations that

2446
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,040
could plug those holes. And this

2447
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,040
is where some incredibly

2448
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,040
selfless people do some

2449
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,040
incredible work for their

2450
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,040
communities. And the least we

2451
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,040
can do as cities, representative

2452
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,040
cities, and I know Jim Beis and

2453
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,040
a lot of my fellow mayors do

2454
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,040
this, exactly for this reason,

2455
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,040
we support them. The city gives

2456
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,040
a small amount, usually as a

2457
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:46,040
donation, but these are

2458
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,040
incredible organizations that

2459
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,040
are selflessly work to protect

2460
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,040
our help people in certain

2461
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,040
elements of society and they do

2462
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,040
it amazingly. You know, I can

2463
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,040
give you tons of them but, you

2464
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,000
know, it is an interesting, I

2465
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,000
find it's a sad question because

2466
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,000
it's remarkable what good these

2467
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,000
people do and we, as a city,

2468
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,000
should absolutely, 100%, support

2469
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,000
them and I will stand by that.

2470
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,000
Want to make you it's. Want to,

2471
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,000
did I say it right?

2472
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
>> Want to mid cabbage.

2473
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,000
>> It carriage, okay.

2474
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,000
>> Mister Mayor, councillors,

2475
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,000
ladies and gentlemen, I am a

2476
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,000
resident of point player since

2477
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,000
43 years, and I've got to tell

2478
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,000
you, I've seen a lot of changes.

2479
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,000
When we bought our home, we

2480
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,000
bought it on paper. There was

2481
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,000
not even a street. It was a

2482
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,000
field. And since that time, the

2483
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,000
city has expanded, we've got

2484
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,000
Hymus Boulevard's condo alley.

2485
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,000
St. John's boulevard is busier

2486
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,000
than St. Catherine street

2487
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,000
downtown. But there is also been

2488
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,000
wonderful things. Your public

2489
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,060
works department has done a

2490
01:26:02,060 --> 01:26:05,060
fabulous job on the bike paths,

2491
01:26:05,060 --> 01:26:09,060
on Cartier Street, on the --

2492
01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:13,060
>> I like Donegani the best.

2493
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:14,060
That's my favourite by Pat.

2494
01:26:14,060 --> 01:26:16,060
>> I mentioned the bike path but

2495
01:26:16,060 --> 01:26:20,060
I'm here today to talk about the

2496
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:25,060
windmill. Our cities symbol. The

2497
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:29,060
windmill was built in 1709, and

2498
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:31,060
it's one of the oldest windmills

2499
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:34,060
in all of Canada. It's really

2500
01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:36,060
fallen into disrepair and it's

2501
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:39,060
really sad. In the beginning, it

2502
01:26:39,060 --> 01:26:43,060
was used to grind grain, to

2503
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:46,060
middle green, and also, it was

2504
01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:48,060
used for protection. In those

2505
01:26:48,060 --> 01:26:50,060
days, the Iroquois were quite

2506
01:26:50,060 --> 01:26:53,060
fierce and it was used for

2507
01:26:53,060 --> 01:26:56,060
protection. So, in that

2508
01:26:56,060 --> 01:26:59,060
windmill, we have our history.

2509
01:26:59,060 --> 01:27:03,020
We have a green space. It is a

2510
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:07,020
treasure of our city. Now, if

2511
01:27:07,020 --> 01:27:09,020
you consider people how they

2512
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:10,020
live, people travel. We go to

2513
01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:13,020
Europe, we want to see the old

2514
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:17,020
ruins of Rome, this and that. In

2515
01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:18,020
LaSalle, they have their

2516
01:27:18,020 --> 01:27:21,020
windmill and they keep it in

2517
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:23,020
check. When things fall back,

2518
01:27:23,020 --> 01:27:26,020
the city of Halifax is now

2519
01:27:26,020 --> 01:27:28,020
excavating or trying to find the

2520
01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:30,020
original foundations of their

2521
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:34,020
walled city. And here, we have

2522
01:27:34,020 --> 01:27:36,020
something that's not only on all

2523
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:39,020
our stationary, everything, it

2524
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:41,020
is our symbol and I want to

2525
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:45,020
know, from the council, it's an

2526
01:27:45,020 --> 01:27:46,020
urgency and I think it should be

2527
01:27:46,020 --> 01:27:49,020
addressed. It seems that it has

2528
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:52,020
come up, let go, and it's

2529
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:55,020
something that, if we don't

2530
01:27:55,020 --> 01:27:58,020
address it now, it'll go into

2531
01:27:58,020 --> 01:28:00,080
disrepair. Heaven forbid it

2532
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,080
would get to the point that

2533
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,080
you'd say oh, we will have to

2534
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,080
tear it down. That should not

2535
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,080
even come into question. Our

2536
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,080
highest angels should prevail to

2537
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:14,080
keep that whole waterfront as a

2538
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,080
green space. I know that there

2539
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,080
is the convent issue, what to do

2540
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,080
with it, whether we repair the

2541
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,080
roof, if we repair the roof,

2542
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:27,080
then we could get it from the

2543
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,080
Montr?al, the archdiocese and

2544
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,080
use it for a cultural centre.

2545
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,080
There's another centre that we

2546
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,080
have, the Nobel logo Centre,

2547
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,080
that is in disrepair. Maybe

2548
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,080
leave that and go to that. So, I

2549
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:43,080
would like to know, I was

2550
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:44,080
assured by my councillor, Mr.

2551
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,080
Cousineau, that south of the 20,

2552
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,080
there would be no development,

2553
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:50,080
huge development. I want to make

2554
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:55,080
sure that the windmill would be

2555
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,080
repaired and if anything, it's

2556
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,040
for generations to go. For our

2557
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:03,040
future.

2558
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,040
>> Okay, well to answer your

2559
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,040
question, it is in disrepair and

2560
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,040
I toured it about two months

2561
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,040
ago, and some of the main

2562
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,040
structural beams underneath

2563
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,040
isn't very, very bad shape. And

2564
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,040
it's in desperate need of

2565
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,040
repair. The difference in the

2566
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,040
LaSalle example is that the one

2567
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,040
in Pointe-Claire is owned by the

2568
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:23,040
archdiocese, of course, LaSalle

2569
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:24,040
one is owned by the City. When

2570
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,040
it's owned by the City, it's

2571
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,040
easier. The problem with how

2572
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,040
hers is that because we don't

2573
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:30,040
own it, it seems irresponsible

2574
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,040
to spend money to repair it.

2575
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,040
Because we're not the owner.

2576
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,040
Now, I made a deal where I

2577
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,040
succumb to that and realize that

2578
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,040
as a city, we do have to do some

2579
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,040
investing and we do have to make

2580
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,040
a deal with the archdiocese, who

2581
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,040
own the actual windmill, and who

2582
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,040
have not repaired it adequately,

2583
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,040
as it should. So, some stimulus

2584
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,040
had to be done, so I made a deal

2585
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,040
acknowledging that fact. The

2586
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,040
deal is no longer in place, so

2587
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,040
that's where we stand on the

2588
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:57,040
windmill. I had a deal on the

2589
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,040
table, and it exists no more.

2590
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:00,000
It's not the accept a deal and

2591
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,000
what exists now is status quo,

2592
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,000
and a windmill that not been

2593
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,000
repaired. So, that's my answer

2594
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,000
to that.

2595
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,000
>> Okay, in that case, I would

2596
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,000
just like to make a comment that

2597
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,000
--

2598
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,000
>> Yes, yes.

2599
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,000
>> I don't know if you watch the

2600
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,000
earlier webcast where we did

2601
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,000
pass a resolution where this

2602
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,000
council had committed funds,

2603
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,000
because we really want that

2604
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,000
windmill repaired. And this has

2605
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,000
been an ongoing dossier for many

2606
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,000
years through many different

2607
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,000
mayors. At one point in my first

2608
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,000
term Council recently met, had a

2609
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,000
wonderful proposal that we could

2610
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,000
actually repurpose the convent.

2611
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,000
It was not approved by the

2612
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,000
owners of that time. We tried

2613
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,000
again. We came back again with

2614
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,000
this mandate to try to establish

2615
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,000
a new agreement. It was not

2616
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,000
working, so we had a windmill

2617
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,000
committee. So in order to

2618
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,000
protect the interests of our

2619
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,000
Pointe-Claire citizens, we said

2620
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,000
the best way it would give the

2621
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,000
bursary, stipend, I don't know

2622
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,060
the exact terminology, Grant,

2623
01:31:01,060 --> 01:31:03,060
thank you, to the archdiocese to

2624
01:31:03,060 --> 01:31:04,060
repair the windmill because it's

2625
01:31:04,060 --> 01:31:06,060
so important to us. So that has

2626
01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:08,060
already happened because we need

2627
01:31:08,060 --> 01:31:10,060
to do what we can -- we all

2628
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:12,060
agree, we all love it. We don't

2629
01:31:12,060 --> 01:31:14,060
own it, as the mayor said. But

2630
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:15,060
we have to also protect

2631
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:17,060
Pointe-Claire citizens interest

2632
01:31:17,060 --> 01:31:18,060
in it as well. So that's why

2633
01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:21,060
we've passed a resolution and I

2634
01:31:21,060 --> 01:31:22,060
don't believe we have a

2635
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:24,060
follow-up, unfortunately. So

2636
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:26,060
this is a problem because we

2637
01:31:26,060 --> 01:31:27,060
don't own it. We can't go in and

2638
01:31:27,060 --> 01:31:29,060
fix the roof tomorrow.

2639
01:31:29,060 --> 01:31:32,060
>> I realize that, but all of

2640
01:31:32,060 --> 01:31:34,060
you have been elected on behalf

2641
01:31:34,060 --> 01:31:37,060
of the people. So this is such

2642
01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:41,060
an important heritage site and

2643
01:31:41,060 --> 01:31:43,060
green space that I would like to

2644
01:31:43,060 --> 01:31:47,060
just note that the Council would

2645
01:31:47,060 --> 01:31:48,060
continue working together just

2646
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:53,060
to get it done. Talk to them.

2647
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:55,060
Negotiations, look, in Gaza and

2648
01:31:55,060 --> 01:31:56,060
Israel, they're going on and on.

2649
01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:58,060
So we've got to do the same kind

2650
01:31:58,060 --> 01:31:59,060
of stuff.

2651
01:31:59,060 --> 01:32:00,020
>> Do you have another question?

2652
01:32:00,020 --> 01:32:03,020
>> No, that's it. I just hope

2653
01:32:03,020 --> 01:32:05,020
that it would be done soon.

2654
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:07,020
Because every time we wait, it

2655
01:32:07,020 --> 01:32:09,020
is going to cost more.

2656
01:32:09,020 --> 01:32:11,020
>> I just want to also add to

2657
01:32:11,020 --> 01:32:13,020
part of that agreement was we

2658
01:32:13,020 --> 01:32:15,020
were going to come up with some

2659
01:32:15,020 --> 01:32:17,020
amount of money, and the diocese

2660
01:32:17,020 --> 01:32:18,020
was going to apply to the

2661
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:19,020
government for another part of

2662
01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:21,020
the money. Unfortunately, that

2663
01:32:21,020 --> 01:32:24,020
is still not been done. I don't

2664
01:32:24,020 --> 01:32:25,020
want people to be misled that

2665
01:32:25,020 --> 01:32:28,020
it's just our part to do. So

2666
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:30,020
part is also on the diocese to

2667
01:32:30,020 --> 01:32:31,020
do their part as well to raise

2668
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:32,020
the other part of the money that

2669
01:32:32,020 --> 01:32:35,020
was going to repair the male. So

2670
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:37,020
I want to make that clear. Thank

2671
01:32:37,020 --> 01:32:38,020
you.

2672
01:32:38,020 --> 01:32:39,020
>> And a year ago, the

2673
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:41,020
archdiocese was very happy with

2674
01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:43,020
the deal on the table and was

2675
01:32:43,020 --> 01:32:45,020
ready to apply to the provincial

2676
01:32:45,020 --> 01:32:46,020
government.

2677
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:47,020
>> Mayor comment?

2678
01:32:47,020 --> 01:32:48,020
>> It is no longer doing that.

2679
01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:50,020
>> And a comment, sir, Mister

2680
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:51,020
Mayor?

2681
01:32:51,020 --> 01:32:53,020
>> One more comment, Mr. Stork.

2682
01:32:53,020 --> 01:32:55,020
>> Are you, there was an

2683
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:58,020
agreement by the Mayor and

2684
01:32:58,020 --> 01:33:00,080
Council. Yes, there was an

2685
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,080
agreement that did not serve the

2686
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,080
best interests of the city in

2687
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,080
terms of access, in terms of

2688
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:11,080
multiple elements. That deal is

2689
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,080
unacceptable. Unacceptable

2690
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,080
majority of Council. Thank you.

2691
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:16,080
>> Okay, so I'm glad to say one

2692
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,080
last thing. That deal was

2693
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,080
initially accepted by Council

2694
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:23,080
and then rescinded. And that

2695
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:24,080
agreement, you can go back and

2696
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,080
look at it and compare that

2697
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,080
agreement, folks, that agreement

2698
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,080
from a year ago to the agreement

2699
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,080
that's in place, supposed

2700
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,080
funding project that is in place

2701
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,080
now. Compare that to. All of

2702
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,080
you, do it yourselves. If you

2703
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,080
don't believe us, go and look at

2704
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,080
the agreement I negotiated and

2705
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,080
then compare with one that

2706
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:45,080
exists now. The comparison

2707
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:48,080
proves everything. All right,

2708
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,080
the next question --

2709
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:50,080
>> If I may --

2710
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:55,080
>> Know, or moving to the next

2711
01:33:56,080 --> 01:34:00,040
question. Olivia Winston?

2712
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,040
>> Hello, I'm Olivia. I wanted

2713
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,040
to speak about the therapy

2714
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:07,040
forest.

2715
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,040
>> Come closer.

2716
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,040
>> Sorry. So I'm really worried

2717
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,040
about climate change and I'm

2718
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,040
also worried for the

2719
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:15,040
consequences that it has on

2720
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,040
future generations. I have

2721
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:19,040
learned a lot about climate

2722
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,040
change in school, probably for

2723
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:23,040
the past seven years, and I know

2724
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,040
that they would not be teaching

2725
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,040
it to us if it was not a huge

2726
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,040
problem that people need to be

2727
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:30,040
more aware of. And that goes

2728
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,040
with deforestation as well. And

2729
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,040
I would like to thank the Mayor

2730
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,040
for understanding that and

2731
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,040
wanting to protect this forest.

2732
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,040
And with that, I would like to

2733
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,040
ask the council if you will

2734
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,040
support the mayor in protecting

2735
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:49,040
100% of the forests. Thank you.

2736
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,040
>> Is anybody going to answer

2737
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,040
Olivia?

2738
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,040
>> She has the question, yes.

2739
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,000
>> She asked the question, she

2740
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,000
absolutely ask the question.

2741
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,000
>> I will make an attempt,

2742
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,000
Mister Mayor.

2743
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,000
>> Okay, thank you, Councillor

2744
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:08,000
Cousineau.

2745
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,000
>> Just like the previous

2746
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:13,000
question, there is a cost to

2747
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,000
everything. In our role is to

2748
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,000
protect the Pointe-Claire

2749
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:21,000
taxpayers. Now if you put any

2750
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:25,000
kind of argument about the

2751
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,000
windmill in the the facts or the

2752
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,000
information you have, I know for

2753
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,000
a fact that the City of

2754
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,000
Pointe-Claire, and it's

2755
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,000
documented since 1987, has been

2756
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,000
working on that. Imagine. So

2757
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:48,000
like they say, Rome has eternity

2758
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:54,000
on their side. Barry, there was

2759
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,000
due diligence, and it's the same

2760
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,060
in the forest. There is a

2761
01:36:00,060 --> 01:36:02,060
balance. There is experts. I was

2762
01:36:02,060 --> 01:36:03,060
listening to the lady saying

2763
01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:08,060
that 100 year old tree is -- it

2764
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:12,060
pumps out more carbon then a

2765
01:36:12,060 --> 01:36:17,060
small tree. There is -- pumps,

2766
01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:22,060
well --

2767
01:36:22,060 --> 01:36:23,060
>> Absorbed.

2768
01:36:23,060 --> 01:36:28,060
>> Transforms gases into would.

2769
01:36:31,060 --> 01:36:33,060
But at one point, let's say that

2770
01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:37,060
a lifetime of the tree is 100

2771
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:42,060
years well the efficiency

2772
01:36:42,060 --> 01:36:44,060
decreases, let's say, starting

2773
01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:46,060
at eight years. So there is all

2774
01:36:46,060 --> 01:36:51,060
kinds of scientific arguments,

2775
01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:53,060
one way or the other. We do want

2776
01:36:53,060 --> 01:36:58,060
to save as much tree as

2777
01:36:58,060 --> 01:36:59,060
possible. It's just that the

2778
01:36:59,060 --> 01:37:04,020
arguments being used or the

2779
01:37:05,020 --> 01:37:08,020
means are not the same. Urban

2780
01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:13,020
sprawl is a big problem. This

2781
01:37:14,020 --> 01:37:17,020
site has been earmarked many

2782
01:37:17,020 --> 01:37:20,020
many years ago. That is also

2783
01:37:20,020 --> 01:37:25,020
documented, 1964, Mayor archers

2784
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:30,020
again, already had approved over

2785
01:37:30,020 --> 01:37:34,020
project of one Island, one city,

2786
01:37:34,020 --> 01:37:38,020
that Pointe-Claire, Anjou, and

2787
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:43,020
Ville-Marie would be, downtown

2788
01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:48,020
Ville-Marie, and sub downtown,

2789
01:37:48,020 --> 01:37:50,020
Anjou and Pointe-Claire. There

2790
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:53,020
is a bunch of arguments one way

2791
01:37:53,020 --> 01:37:57,020
or the other. We are -- anyways.

2792
01:37:57,020 --> 01:38:00,080
I am going to take my time. I am

2793
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:05,080
not going to argue science, the

2794
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,080
facts. And also like I said

2795
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,080
about a year ago, science put us

2796
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,080
in this mess. They are going to

2797
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,080
get us out of it.

2798
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,080
>> Mister Mayor, can I speak?

2799
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,080
>> Absolutely. Absolutely,

2800
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:21,080
Councillor Thorstad-Cullen.

2801
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:22,080
>> I just like to respond your

2802
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,080
question similar to the wind

2803
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,080
bill. I don't even remember when

2804
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:27,080
we passed it. We passed a

2805
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,080
resolution initially because

2806
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,080
there were a majority of us who

2807
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:33,080
felt that negotiating with

2808
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,080
Fairview organization could help

2809
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,080
to protect that forest as best

2810
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:40,080
as possible, as was stated

2811
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:41,080
earlier. You know, you build on

2812
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,080
the concrete, protect as much

2813
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:44,080
forest. I would have to say

2814
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:45,080
there is not one elected

2815
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:46,080
official here that does not want

2816
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,080
to protect as much as possible,

2817
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,080
100%. That would be our ultimate

2818
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,080
goal. I love the Pollyanna,

2819
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,080
there are a Pollyanna ideas, we

2820
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:55,080
have a beautiful, park a little

2821
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:58,080
mini central park, a lot of

2822
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,080
wonderful ideas of what we could

2823
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,040
do. But as Councillor Stork

2824
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:02,040
alluded to earlier, it's about

2825
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:03,040
negotiation of the people who

2826
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,040
own it. So we have to be very

2827
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,040
aware and astute and do our

2828
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,040
best. I think everyone is

2829
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,040
fighting to do our best. I don't

2830
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:11,040
think maybe the perception is

2831
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,040
how people are fighting may not

2832
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:16,040
be well understood. But not one

2833
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:17,040
person here doesn't want to see

2834
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,040
that protected as much as

2835
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,040
possible. Though it has been

2836
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,040
alluded to, we are also our

2837
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,040
responsible to you who elected

2838
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,040
us to make these decisions. And

2839
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:28,040
we hear conflicting information.

2840
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:29,040
Don't raise our taxes. Don't

2841
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,040
give us more, don't charge us

2842
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:32,040
more, give us back money. There

2843
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,040
is a cost of reset tomorrow and

2844
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,040
said, oh, we are going to go to

2845
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,040
Facebook Villa. That's why Tara

2846
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:39,040
asked the question, are

2847
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:40,040
everyone, each one of their

2848
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,040
home, are you willing to pay

2849
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:45,040
$20,000? $10,000? $500? That's

2850
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,040
where our impetus was to try to

2851
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,040
really glean what the citizens

2852
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,040
want. Our desire for sure, I

2853
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:52,040
know it's not always about

2854
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,040
money, but at the end of the

2855
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,040
day, as an elected body, we have

2856
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:57,040
to work within the laws that we

2857
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:58,040
are allowed to work within. We

2858
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,000
cannot just say, oh, we want to

2859
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,000
do this. We have protected as

2860
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,000
much as we can. Every green

2861
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,000
space available to us was

2862
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,000
already protected, even prior to

2863
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,000
this administration, so that we

2864
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,000
could do our best to keep the

2865
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,000
green spaces. So we are looking

2866
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,000
at diversifying micro forests,

2867
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,000
looking at different to do it.

2868
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:16,000
And like I said, every single

2869
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,000
person here would love to see it

2870
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,000
protected. But it's not just

2871
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,000
saying, okay, yes, 100% we

2872
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,000
agree. Because we have to make

2873
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:25,000
the decisions to protect the

2874
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,000
citizens and their desires.

2875
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:28,000
Everyone's sure, no problem, the

2876
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,000
sky is the limit for the cost of

2877
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,000
what we are committed, that

2878
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,000
makes our lives easy. I just do

2879
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,000
not think that everyone that I

2880
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,000
represent would maybe have the

2881
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,000
same opinion. And it goes to

2882
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,000
what was stated earlier by Mrs.

2883
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,000
Hannah. She does not agree with

2884
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,000
some of the things she stated

2885
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,000
tonight, and she is entitled to

2886
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,000
that opinion. But our

2887
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,000
responsibilities to vote on the

2888
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:48,000
majority of what our citizens

2889
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:49,000
are telling us. Because we

2890
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,000
cannot just do popcorn style

2891
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,000
decision-making based on each

2892
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:54,000
person's personal opinion about

2893
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,000
a topic, who may or may not know

2894
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,000
all of the information. So it's

2895
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,060
challenging. We're working hard.

2896
01:41:00,060 --> 01:41:02,060
But I guarantee you, every

2897
01:41:02,060 --> 01:41:03,060
single person here is about

2898
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:04,060
green space. We want to do

2899
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:06,060
better at our sustainability. We

2900
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:07,060
want to look for those. But we

2901
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:09,060
need you to come along with us.

2902
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:11,060
You need to be open to change.

2903
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:13,060
We need to -- we cannot have

2904
01:41:13,060 --> 01:41:15,060
garbage every single week,

2905
01:41:15,060 --> 01:41:16,060
that's against the sustainable

2906
01:41:16,060 --> 01:41:18,060
development practices. So it has

2907
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:19,060
to come in together and we can't

2908
01:41:19,060 --> 01:41:21,060
keep pushing and pulling. We

2909
01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:22,060
have to say, okay, we are

2910
01:41:22,060 --> 01:41:23,060
committed to this, but what does

2911
01:41:23,060 --> 01:41:25,060
that mean for each individual?

2912
01:41:25,060 --> 01:41:26,060
And it means a lot of different

2913
01:41:26,060 --> 01:41:27,060
changes for each of us as

2914
01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:29,060
individuals and families,

2915
01:41:29,060 --> 01:41:30,060
because we want the future for

2916
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:32,060
our kids. We all love that.

2917
01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:33,060
Nobody's gonna say they don't

2918
01:41:33,060 --> 01:41:35,060
want that. So we just really

2919
01:41:35,060 --> 01:41:36,060
have to commit to it, but it

2920
01:41:36,060 --> 01:41:38,060
takes everyone, and guess what,

2921
01:41:38,060 --> 01:41:40,060
some people's ideals and their

2922
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:41,060
own personal approaches are not

2923
01:41:41,060 --> 01:41:42,060
gonna be able to upheld with

2924
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:46,060
that. So those of the

2925
01:41:46,060 --> 01:41:47,060
challenges. But I would say

2926
01:41:47,060 --> 01:41:48,060
everyone here wants to 100

2927
01:41:48,060 --> 01:41:49,060
protect everything as much as

2928
01:41:49,060 --> 01:41:50,060
possible.

2929
01:41:50,060 --> 01:41:52,060
>> Thank you.

2930
01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:54,060
>> Mister Mayor --

2931
01:41:54,060 --> 01:41:56,060
>> Councillor Tremblay?

2932
01:41:56,060 --> 01:41:59,060
>> So I support working towards

2933
01:41:59,060 --> 01:42:00,020
saving 100% of the natural

2934
01:42:00,020 --> 01:42:02,020
space, the amount of green

2935
01:42:02,020 --> 01:42:05,020
spaces and natural space. Having

2936
01:42:05,020 --> 01:42:07,020
grown up here, I can assure you

2937
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:08,020
that many of the natural spaces

2938
01:42:08,020 --> 01:42:10,020
we did have available are gone.

2939
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:13,020
We are down to maybe a few, if

2940
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:15,020
you exclude terracotta, we are

2941
01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:17,020
down to the Fairview forests and

2942
01:42:17,020 --> 01:42:19,020
the woods in Val awe. There is

2943
01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:23,020
not very much left. There are

2944
01:42:23,020 --> 01:42:24,020
smatterings of green here and

2945
01:42:24,020 --> 01:42:26,020
there, et cetera. But there is

2946
01:42:26,020 --> 01:42:27,020
nothing left like that

2947
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:29,020
particular forest at the moment.

2948
01:42:29,020 --> 01:42:31,020
It is a complex case. There is

2949
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:33,020
no doubt that it's complex. And

2950
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:34,020
these things are going to

2951
01:42:34,020 --> 01:42:36,020
continue to get more and more

2952
01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:37,020
complex. And we need to be able

2953
01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:41,020
to start somewhere. And this is

2954
01:42:41,020 --> 01:42:42,020
a excellent example of where we

2955
01:42:42,020 --> 01:42:45,020
can start working towards

2956
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:47,020
getting an agreement together,

2957
01:42:47,020 --> 01:42:49,020
again, the word I use before it

2958
01:42:49,020 --> 01:42:51,020
was the intention, the movement

2959
01:42:51,020 --> 01:42:53,020
towards that solution, which

2960
01:42:53,020 --> 01:42:54,020
means working with the

2961
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:55,020
corporate, working with other

2962
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:58,020
government levels, working as a

2963
01:42:58,020 --> 01:43:00,080
group towards wanting to do

2964
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,080
that. No ifs, ands, or buts. If

2965
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:06,080
the commitment is made to saving

2966
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,080
100% of the forest with the

2967
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,080
intention of doing that, I am

2968
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,080
100% convinced they'll be

2969
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:15,080
creative solutions put to the

2970
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:17,080
table. No one asks. There was no

2971
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:20,080
survey asked about

2972
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:21,080
Olive-Urquhart when we purchase.

2973
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:22,080
That there was no survey about

2974
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,080
public works and the rest of it.

2975
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,080
But the treatment that we take

2976
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:29,080
on natural spaces through is

2977
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:33,080
absolutely crazy. So we have to

2978
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:34,080
start to view these areas as

2979
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:37,080
assets for us. We are here not

2980
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,080
only to make financial

2981
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:40,080
decisions, but we will have to

2982
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,080
make sure that we are respectful

2983
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,080
of the health of other living

2984
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:45,080
things, respectful of the health

2985
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,080
and safety of people who live in

2986
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,080
this city. And it includes doing

2987
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,080
these sorts of things going

2988
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,080
forward. So this is something

2989
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:55,080
that I continually try to work

2990
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:58,080
with within Council, is to

2991
01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:59,080
create some form of momentum,

2992
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:00,040
which means structuring together

2993
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:02,040
different ideas, different

2994
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,040
financial practices, and trying.

2995
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,040
And if we fail at that, we try

2996
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,040
again. Because I can't help but

2997
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,040
see that almost every corporate

2998
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,040
web page that I'm looking at

2999
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:15,040
today, they have an

3000
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,040
environmental section where they

3001
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:18,040
are committed to saving things

3002
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:19,040
and working with people and

3003
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:20,040
doing the right thing. The right

3004
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:21,040
thing has arrived. And we need

3005
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,040
to be able to do that today to

3006
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:25,040
work together. And in fact, if

3007
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:26,040
we did do that, we could be

3008
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:28,040
looking at a development and

3009
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:31,040
that particular area. The forest

3010
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:36,040
is known in urban speak as

3011
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,040
MU-to, the Fairview area is

3012
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:40,040
MU-one. We are looking at is

3013
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:41,040
example that can used in other

3014
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,040
cities that took the respect of

3015
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:44,040
the natural side of the

3016
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:45,040
developmental site to be able to

3017
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:48,040
fuse the two together. So thank

3018
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:52,040
you for your question.

3019
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:54,040
>> Just as a concluding point,

3020
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:56,040
or survival is more important

3021
01:44:56,040 --> 01:45:01,000
than balancing a budget.

3022
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:05,000
>> Susan Weaver?

3023
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:08,000
>> One minutes left, Mister

3024
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:09,000
Mayor.

3025
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,000
>> One minute? Okay.

3026
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:26,000
>>

3027
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,000
, -- You said I got information

3028
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,000
from internal caucus meeting.

3029
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,000
Exact quote, newspapers, funding

3030
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,000
of a newspaper. So I went back

3031
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,000
and looked at council meetings.

3032
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:39,000
As you said, they are taped and

3033
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,000
filmed. Here's the timeline.

3034
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:46,000
July 2022, Councillor Cowan read

3035
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,000
a statement about the caucus

3036
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:51,000
meeting. July 31st, 2022, I sent

3037
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,000
in an application form for

3038
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,000
access to information,

3039
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,000
requesting the minutes. Villa.

3040
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,060
And I double checked myself,

3041
01:46:00,060 --> 01:46:02,060
thereby giving you the benefit

3042
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:04,060
of the doubt. I received from

3043
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:08,060
the city limits with the mayor's

3044
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:10,060
remarks, which for $5,000 in

3045
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:12,060
publication to Pointe-Claire

3046
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:14,060
journal, rejected by all

3047
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:17,060
councils. Now, I have that here,

3048
01:46:17,060 --> 01:46:21,060
here it is. And August 16th,

3049
01:46:21,060 --> 01:46:24,060
2022, the council meeting, I

3050
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:25,060
mentioned it and so did many

3051
01:46:25,060 --> 01:46:28,060
other citizens. You like to say

3052
01:46:28,060 --> 01:46:30,060
that you are the first time

3053
01:46:30,060 --> 01:46:32,060
mayor but it is common knowledge

3054
01:46:32,060 --> 01:46:33,060
that one can have access to

3055
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:35,060
information at all levels of

3056
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:37,060
government, and you should know

3057
01:46:37,060 --> 01:46:39,060
that. Again, you made up a story

3058
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:41,060
to protect yourself and to

3059
01:46:41,060 --> 01:46:44,060
backup a false accusation. So my

3060
01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:46,060
question is, now if you'd like

3061
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:48,060
the problem to go away, would

3062
01:46:48,060 --> 01:46:50,060
you apologize to all whom you

3063
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:51,060
accused?

3064
01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:53,060
>> Ms. Weaver, I've already

3065
01:46:53,060 --> 01:46:54,060
spoken to this, and this is

3066
01:46:54,060 --> 01:46:56,060
asked and answered about three

3067
01:46:56,060 --> 01:46:57,060
times. But to go back to the

3068
01:46:57,060 --> 01:46:59,060
notes on the Mayor's remark, it

3069
01:46:59,060 --> 01:47:03,020
is weaver, you ask your

3070
01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:06,020
question. Time is over, okay.

3071
01:47:06,020 --> 01:47:09,020
You quoted a remark made by me

3072
01:47:09,020 --> 01:47:13,020
that in fact was not made by me.

3073
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:15,020
And the comment that was made by

3074
01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:17,020
me through access actually said

3075
01:47:17,020 --> 01:47:21,020
$5,000 refuted. It wasn't pay

3076
01:47:21,020 --> 01:47:22,020
him and make him go away. You

3077
01:47:22,020 --> 01:47:25,020
actually quoted the wrong

3078
01:47:25,020 --> 01:47:26,020
comment, which suggests to me

3079
01:47:26,020 --> 01:47:28,020
that you have inside knowledge.

3080
01:47:28,020 --> 01:47:29,020
>> What was the comment?

3081
01:47:29,020 --> 01:47:31,020
>> We've asked and answered this

3082
01:47:31,020 --> 01:47:32,020
already, Miss Weaver. Miss

3083
01:47:32,020 --> 01:47:33,020
Weaver, we've asked and answered

3084
01:47:33,020 --> 01:47:36,020
this already. Thank you, is

3085
01:47:36,020 --> 01:47:37,020
weaver. Thank you, Miss Weaver.

3086
01:47:37,020 --> 01:47:38,020
>> And what was the comment?

3087
01:47:38,020 --> 01:47:40,020
>> Thank you, Miss Weaver. I

3088
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:42,020
just read it to you. We can

3089
01:47:42,020 --> 01:47:43,020
watch it on the webcast

3090
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:44,020
tomorrow.

3091
01:47:44,020 --> 01:47:45,020
>> I watch the webcast, and I

3092
01:47:45,020 --> 01:47:46,020
thought all -- the

3093
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:48,020
>> Miss Weaver, Miss Weaver,

3094
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:49,020
thank you Miss Weaver.

3095
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:50,020
>> I read all the application,

3096
01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:52,020
so before you speak out in the

3097
01:47:52,020 --> 01:47:53,020
newspaper, you better --

3098
01:47:53,020 --> 01:47:57,020
>> Thank, you Miss Huber. So

3099
01:47:57,020 --> 01:47:58,020
we've run out of time,

3100
01:47:58,020 --> 01:48:01,080
unfortunately. Okay. And that's

3101
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:04,080
it. And let me point out that

3102
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:05,080
the duration, a lot of the

3103
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:07,080
duration of the meeting was

3104
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:09,080
carried by councillors remarks.

3105
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:10,080
And there were councillor spoke

3106
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,080
to a lot of the questions.

3107
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:14,080
Please bear that in mind. I

3108
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:16,080
know, I know. And I found a lot

3109
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,080
of them quite lengthy. So where

3110
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,080
do you draw the line on all

3111
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,080
these folks? Just letting you

3112
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,080
know, the Mayor's dilemma is a

3113
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,080
tricky one. Okay, let's continue

3114
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:32,080
with the agenda.

3115
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:33,080
>> 5.1 Notice of motion and

3116
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:34,080
filing of a draft By-law on the

3117
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:35,080
use of drinking water. The main

3118
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:36,080
objective of this bylaws to

3119
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:37,080
govern the use of drinking water

3120
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:38,080
where the purpose of preserving

3121
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,080
the quality and quantity of the

3122
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:42,080
Resource. Among other things, it

3123
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:43,080
covers connections and the main

3124
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,080
ways in which people use water,

3125
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,080
such as water and filling

3126
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:50,080
swimming pools. 5.2 Avis de

3127
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:51,080
motion et d?p?t d'un projet de

3128
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:52,080
R?glement divisant le territoire

3129
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:53,080
de la ville de Pointe-Claire en

3130
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:55,080
districts ?lectoraux. L'ann?e

3131
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,080
qui pr?c?de l'ann?e d'une

3132
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:58,080
?lection g?n?rale, le conseil

3133
01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:59,080
doit s'assurer que le nombre

3134
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,040
d'?lecteurs par district

3135
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:02,040
respectent les ratios pr?vus ?

3136
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:03,040
la Loi sur les ?lections et les

3137
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:05,040
r?f?rendums. Apr?s r?vision,

3138
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:06,040
trois districts ne respecte plus

3139
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:09,040
les ratios, ? savoir les

3140
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:11,040
districts quatre, cinq et six.

3141
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,040
Ces trois districts ont d? ?tre

3142
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:14,040
rediviser afin de respecter la

3143
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:15,040
loi. Un plan sera publi? sur le

3144
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:16,040
site Web de la ville au cours

3145
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,040
des prochains jours pour

3146
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,040
illustrer les changements. Les

3147
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:21,040
citoyens disposent d'un d?lai de

3148
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:25,040
15 jours pour s'opposer. 5.3

3149
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:26,040
Notice of motion and filing of a

3150
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:29,040
draft by-law amending By-law

3151
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,040
PC-2962 decreeing the exigibles

3152
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:31,040
tariffs for the financing of

3153
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:32,040
properties, services and

3154
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:33,040
activities offered by the City

3155
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:34,040
of Pointe-Claire, for fiscal

3156
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,040
year 2024. The bylaw is amended

3157
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:39,040
to add a corporate rate for

3158
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,040
memberships of ten or more

3159
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,040
employees at the Olive-Urquhart

3160
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:43,040
Sports Centre.

3161
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:44,040
5.4 Avis de motion et d?p?t d'un

3162
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:45,040
projet de R?glement modifiant le

3163
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,040
r?glement PC-2957 sur les

3164
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:49,040
Projets particuliers de

3165
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:50,040
construction, de modification ou

3166
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:52,040
d'occupation d'un immeuble

3167
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:53,040
(PPCMOI)

3168
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:58,040
. Il y a lieu de modifier le

3169
01:49:58,040 --> 01:49:59,040
r?glement PC-2957 intitul?

3170
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:00,000
projet particulier de

3171
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,000
construction, de modification ou

3172
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,000
d'occupation de immeuble

3173
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:07,000
pourrait trancher l'article

3174
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:08,000
1.3.4 de

3175
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,000
(---)

3176
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:10,000
la tarification. Ce r?glement a

3177
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:11,000
?t?

3178
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:12,000
(---)

3179
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,000
r?glement? ces 29 62, quels

3180
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:14,000
r?glements sur les tarifs

3181
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:15,000
municipaux, lequel est

3182
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:17,000
r?guli?rement modifi?. >> Who

3183
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:18,000
moved these notices of notion

3184
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:22,000
from 5.1 to 5.4?

3185
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:23,000
>> -- District to.

3186
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:27,000
>> 5.5, adoption of draft bylaw

3187
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,000
dividing the city of municipal

3188
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,000
districts.

3189
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,000
- 5.6 Adoption d'un projet de

3190
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,000
R?glement modifiant le r?glement

3191
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:34,000
PC-2957 sur les Projets

3192
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,000
particuliers de construction, de

3193
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,000
modification ou d'occupation

3194
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:37,000
d'un immeuble

3195
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:38,000
(PPCMOI)

3196
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,000
.

3197
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,000
- Pour 5,5 et 5,6.

3198
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:44,000
Do I have a mover?

3199
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,000
- Oui, Monsieur le Maire..

3200
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,000
Bruno Tremblay, Seigniory. >>

3201
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,000
Seconder?

3202
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,000
>>, Brett Cowan, district eight.

3203
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:56,000
- Merci. >> Received. 6.1

3204
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:57,000
Authorize the City of

3205
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:58,000
Pointe-Claire to lend equipment

3206
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,000
to the Teresa Dellar Palliative

3207
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:00,060
Care Residence for the Course

3208
01:51:00,060 --> 01:51:01,060
pour la compassion. The

3209
01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:03,060
fund-raiser event, the Course

3210
01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:04,060
pour la compassion will be held

3211
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:06,060
incident 21st, 2024, starting in

3212
01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:07,060
Valois park. For the purpose of

3213
01:51:07,060 --> 01:51:09,060
-- the palliative care residence

3214
01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:11,060
has requested the City of

3215
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:12,060
Pointe-Claire land the

3216
01:51:12,060 --> 01:51:13,060
equipment. 6.2 Autoriser la

3217
01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:14,060
ville de Pointe-Claire ? pr?ter

3218
01:51:14,060 --> 01:51:15,060
des ?quipements aux

3219
01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:16,060
organisateurs du Tournoi de

3220
01:51:16,060 --> 01:51:19,060
soccer s?nior Coach Phil.

3221
01:51:19,060 --> 01:51:20,060
L'?v?nement lev?e le fonds du

3222
01:51:20,060 --> 01:51:21,060
tournoi de soccer senior coach

3223
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:23,060
Phil, en collaboration avec

3224
01:51:23,060 --> 01:51:24,060
soccer Pointe-Claire, et aux

3225
01:51:24,060 --> 01:51:26,060
profits exclusifs de la soci?t?

3226
01:51:26,060 --> 01:51:28,060
de la SLA du Qu?bec, aura lieu

3227
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:31,060
le huit et 9 juin 2024 dans le

3228
01:51:31,060 --> 01:51:34,060
parc Terra-Cotta.

3229
01:51:34,060 --> 01:51:35,060
- Pour 6,1 6,2. Do I have a

3230
01:51:35,060 --> 01:51:39,060
mover?

3231
01:51:39,060 --> 01:51:41,060
>> And seconder?

3232
01:51:41,060 --> 01:51:44,060
>> Since the Homan, district

3233
01:51:44,060 --> 01:51:45,060
five.

3234
01:51:45,060 --> 01:51:48,060
>> All in favour?

3235
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:49,060
>> 6.3 Authorize the City of

3236
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:50,060
Pointe-Claire to lend equipment

3237
01:51:50,060 --> 01:51:52,060
to the West Island Citizen

3238
01:51:52,060 --> 01:51:53,060
Advocacy for The Garden Tour

3239
01:51:53,060 --> 01:51:56,060
event. The event the garden to

3240
01:51:56,060 --> 01:51:57,060
organize and for the benefit of

3241
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:58,060
the West Island citizen advocacy

3242
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:00,020
will be held on June 1st, 2024,

3243
01:52:00,020 --> 01:52:03,020
at 152 Concord Crescent Avenue

3244
01:52:03,020 --> 01:52:07,020
in Pointe-Claire.

3245
01:52:07,020 --> 01:52:08,020
- 6.4 Autoriser la ville de

3246
01:52:08,020 --> 01:52:09,020
Pointe-Claire ? pr?ter des

3247
01:52:09,020 --> 01:52:10,020
?quipements ? la Soci?t?

3248
01:52:10,020 --> 01:52:11,020
d'horticulture de Pointe-Claire

3249
01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:13,020
ainsi qu'un don de 12 plantes

3250
01:52:13,020 --> 01:52:14,020
pour leur vente de plante

3251
01:52:14,020 --> 01:52:16,020
annuelle. Une vente de plantes

3252
01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:17,020
organis?es au profit de la

3253
01:52:17,020 --> 01:52:19,020
soci?t? d'horticulture de

3254
01:52:19,020 --> 01:52:20,020
Pointe-Claire aura lieu le 25

3255
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:22,020
mai 2024 dans le stationnement

3256
01:52:22,020 --> 01:52:26,020
de la Plaza Pointe-Claire.

3257
01:52:26,020 --> 01:52:27,020
>> 6.5 Grant financial support

3258
01:52:27,020 --> 01:52:28,020
to various non-profit

3259
01:52:28,020 --> 01:52:29,020
organizations for a total amount

3260
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:34,020
of $ 157,375. Monetary and non

3261
01:52:34,020 --> 01:52:35,020
monetary donations are made to

3262
01:52:35,020 --> 01:52:36,020
organizations that provide

3263
01:52:36,020 --> 01:52:39,020
services to the citizens of

3264
01:52:39,020 --> 01:52:40,020
Pointe-Claire.

3265
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:43,020
>> For 6.3 to 6.5, do I have a

3266
01:52:43,020 --> 01:52:45,020
mover?

3267
01:52:45,020 --> 01:52:48,020
>> And seconder?

3268
01:52:48,020 --> 01:52:49,020
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3269
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:50,020
district three.

3270
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:51,020
>> All in favour?

3271
01:52:51,020 --> 01:52:53,020
>> Received.

3272
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:57,020
- C'est clair qu'un, imposer le

3273
01:52:58,020 --> 01:53:00,080
proc?s-verbal de la r?union du

3274
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:01,080
22 f?vrier 2024 du Comit?

3275
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:02,080
consultatif de la Biblioth?que

3276
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,080
de Pointe-Claire.

3277
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:04,080
>> 7.2 File the minutes of the

3278
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:05,080
February 28, 2024, meeting of

3279
01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:06,080
the Youth Advisory Board.. 7.3

3280
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:07,080
D?poser le proc?s-verbal de la

3281
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:08,080
r?union du 27 mars 2024 du

3282
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:09,080
Comit? consultatif de Stewart

3283
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:13,080
Hall.

3284
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:14,080
7.4 Appoint a replacement member

3285
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,080
of the Canoe Kayak Club Inc. It

3286
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,080
was recommended to propose a

3287
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:19,080
nomination of Madame Catharine

3288
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:20,080
diverse as a board member from

3289
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:23,080
the eighth, 2024, to December

3290
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:25,080
31st, 2025.

3291
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:27,080
- 7.5 Nommer de nouveaux membres

3292
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:28,080
et renouveler les mandats des

3293
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:29,080
membres existants au sein du

3294
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:30,080
Comit? consultatif sur

3295
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:31,080
l'environnement et le

3296
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:32,080
d?veloppement durable. Le comit?

3297
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:33,080
recommande le renouvellement des

3298
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:34,080
mandats de monsieur Gary Peter

3299
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:37,080
et madame Patricia Bovet,

3300
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,080
citoyens ayant un droit de vote,

3301
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:40,080
pour des mandats de 2 ans, soit

3302
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:43,080
du 30 avril 2024 au 30 avril

3303
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:44,080
2026. Le comit? recommande aussi

3304
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,080
la nomination de deux employ?s

3305
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:47,080
sans droit de vote, ce soir

3306
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:49,080
madame Allison surveiller et

3307
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,080
monsieur Gilles Girouard.

3308
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:56,080
- Pour 7,4 et 7,5. >>?

3309
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,080
>> Cynthia Homan,.

3310
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:02,040
>> Eric Stork,.

3311
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:06,040
>> All countries?

3312
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:07,040
>> 9.1 Adopt the Parks and Green

3313
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,040
Spaces Plan. The plan presents a

3314
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:11,040
portrait of the city's park and

3315
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:12,040
to find them in different

3316
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:13,040
categories according to the

3317
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:14,040
characteristics of each one. The

3318
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:15,040
park inventory reflects the

3319
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,040
coverage of the territory by

3320
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:19,040
district. The plan also presents

3321
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,040
a portrait of sports and leisure

3322
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,040
facility and outlines current

3323
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:25,040
trends in sports and recreation

3324
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:27,040
element infrastructure.

3325
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:28,040
- 9.2 Se pr?valoir de l'option

3326
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:29,040
de renouvellement pr?vue au

3327
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:30,040
contrat intervenu avec BL?

3328
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:32,040
CREATIVE, pour l'ann?e 2025, au

3329
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:34,040
montant de 40 824,17 $, taxes

3330
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:36,040
incluses, pour le d?veloppement,

3331
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:38,040
la mise ? jour et l'entretien du

3332
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:40,040
site Web de la Ville. Compte

3333
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:42,040
tenu des difficult?s li?es ? la

3334
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:43,040
maintenance et aux mises ? jour

3335
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:47,040
du syst?me, les d?penses pour

3336
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,040
l'ann?e 2024 seront sup?rieures

3337
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:51,040
aux montants d?j? pr?vus. Il

3338
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:52,040
devient n?cessaire de nous

3339
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:53,040
pr?valoir d?s maintenant de

3340
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:54,040
l'option de renouvellement

3341
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:57,040
pr?vue en 2025 au montant de 40

3342
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:00,000
824,17 $, afin de permettre le

3343
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,000
paiement des factures pour

3344
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:02,000
l'ann?e en cours. Un appel

3345
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,000
d'offres est pr?sentement en

3346
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:04,000
cours pour le d?veloppement du

3347
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:07,000
nouveau site Web.

3348
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:10,000
>> For 9.1 to 9.2, do I have a

3349
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,000
mover?

3350
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:12,000
>> I will move on 9.1, but

3351
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000
because of the voting pattern, I

3352
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,000
think -- a 9.2, so I moved night

3353
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:18,000
by one.

3354
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,000
>> Do have a seconder for 9.1?

3355
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:22,000
>> Seconded by Tara Stainforth,

3356
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:23,000
district four.

3357
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:27,000
>> All in favour?

3358
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:29,000
>> What's that, Mr. Cousineau?

3359
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,000
>> I have a comment, because I

3360
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:31,000
will be voting against it. I

3361
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:36,000
don't like the part where the

3362
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:37,000
shorelines, the way the

3363
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:38,000
shorelines are being treated

3364
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:41,000
right now. So I will be voting

3365
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,000
against. Thank you.

3366
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:47,000
>> Okay. So for 9.1, do I have a

3367
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:50,000
mover? Moved and seconded, okay,

3368
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:54,000
all in favour? And against?

3369
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:56,000
- Parfait.

3370
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:57,000
- 9,2.

3371
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,000
>> Brent Cowan, district eight,

3372
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,060
I move 9.2.

3373
01:56:00,060 --> 01:56:01,060
>> And seconder?

3374
01:56:01,060 --> 01:56:03,060
>> Seconded by Tara Stainforth,

3375
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:04,060
district four.

3376
01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:06,060
>> All in favour?

3377
01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:09,060
- Merci. >> 10.1 File the list

3378
01:56:09,060 --> 01:56:11,060
of budget amendments and the

3379
01:56:11,060 --> 01:56:12,060
register of cheques for the

3380
01:56:12,060 --> 01:56:13,060
period of March 25, 2024, to

3381
01:56:13,060 --> 01:56:16,060
April 28, 2024.

3382
01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:18,060
- 10.2 D?poser le rapport

3383
01:56:18,060 --> 01:56:19,060
financier 2023 et le rapport du

3384
01:56:19,060 --> 01:56:21,060
v?rificateur externe pour

3385
01:56:21,060 --> 01:56:22,060
l'exercice financier 2023, ainsi

3386
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:23,060
que d'en autoriser la

3387
01:56:23,060 --> 01:56:24,060
publication sur le site web de

3388
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:29,060
la Ville. >> 10.3 Authorize the

3389
01:56:29,060 --> 01:56:30,060
Treasurer to proceed with the

3390
01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:32,060
assignment of the 2023 surplus.

3391
01:56:32,060 --> 01:56:35,060
The surplus for fiscal year 2023

3392
01:56:35,060 --> 01:56:40,060
being $23,988,633 is here the

3393
01:56:41,060 --> 01:56:43,060
allocation recommendation,

3394
01:56:43,060 --> 01:56:44,060
recommendations, sorry, there

3395
01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:46,060
are three, a balance of 50

3396
01:56:46,060 --> 01:56:47,060
million allocated to the reserve

3397
01:56:47,060 --> 01:56:49,060
for the payment of refinancing

3398
01:56:49,060 --> 01:56:52,060
schedule for 2026. There is also

3399
01:56:52,060 --> 01:56:53,060
a recommendation considering

3400
01:56:53,060 --> 01:56:54,060
there is no balance allocated to

3401
01:56:54,060 --> 01:56:56,060
working capital if the balance

3402
01:56:56,060 --> 01:56:57,060
of the fund is currently

3403
01:56:57,060 --> 01:56:58,060
sufficient to ensure the

3404
01:56:58,060 --> 01:57:00,020
financing of various projects

3405
01:57:00,020 --> 01:57:01,020
that will appear on the future

3406
01:57:01,020 --> 01:57:03,020
capital investment plan. And

3407
01:57:03,020 --> 01:57:05,020
there are different assignments

3408
01:57:05,020 --> 01:57:07,020
to specific projects.

3409
01:57:07,020 --> 01:57:10,020
- Pour 10,3. Do I have a mover?

3410
01:57:10,020 --> 01:57:11,020
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3411
01:57:11,020 --> 01:57:14,020
>> And seconder?

3412
01:57:14,020 --> 01:57:15,020
>> Tara Stainforth, district

3413
01:57:15,020 --> 01:57:16,020
four.

3414
01:57:16,020 --> 01:57:18,020
>> All in favour?

3415
01:57:18,020 --> 01:57:20,020
- Merci.

3416
01:57:20,020 --> 01:57:21,020
- 11.1 Autoriser la Ville de

3417
01:57:21,020 --> 01:57:22,020
Pointe-Claire ? participer au

3418
01:57:22,020 --> 01:57:23,020
regroupement d'achat commun de

3419
01:57:23,020 --> 01:57:24,020
produits d'assurances pour les

3420
01:57:24,020 --> 01:57:25,020
cyber-risques. La demande

3421
01:57:25,020 --> 01:57:26,020
d'autorisation est pour la

3422
01:57:26,020 --> 01:57:28,020
signature d'une nouvelle entente

3423
01:57:28,020 --> 01:57:30,020
d'une dur?e de 50, soit du 1er

3424
01:57:30,020 --> 01:57:32,020
juillet 2024 au 1er juillet

3425
01:57:32,020 --> 01:57:35,020
2029. C'est entendu parler aux

3426
01:57:35,020 --> 01:57:36,020
municipalit?s qui font partie du

3427
01:57:36,020 --> 01:57:37,020
regroupement d'obtenir des

3428
01:57:37,020 --> 01:57:38,020
soumissions communes, afin

3429
01:57:38,020 --> 01:57:39,020
d'acheter des produits

3430
01:57:39,020 --> 01:57:40,020
d'assurance pour les

3431
01:57:40,020 --> 01:57:42,020
cyber-risques ? meilleur co?t.

3432
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:44,020
11.2 Approve the transfer of lot

3433
01:57:44,020 --> 01:57:46,020
5 491 751 of the Cadastre of

3434
01:57:46,020 --> 01:57:47,020
Qu?bec for municipal

3435
01:57:47,020 --> 01:57:48,020
infrastructure purposes. This

3436
01:57:48,020 --> 01:57:53,020
lot is located at 2048 sources

3437
01:57:53,020 --> 01:57:54,020
Beaufort and forms the corn with

3438
01:57:54,020 --> 01:57:56,020
Hymus Boulevard. The city plans

3439
01:57:56,020 --> 01:57:58,020
to redevelop the -- as part of

3440
01:57:58,020 --> 01:57:59,020
the station for the REM that

3441
01:57:59,020 --> 01:58:02,080
transfers free of charge.

3442
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:03,080
- 11.3 Ordonner ? la greffi?re

3443
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:05,080
ou toute autre personne mandat?e

3444
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:06,080
par celle-ci de vendre ?

3445
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,080
l'ench?re publique les immeubles

3446
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,080
indiqu?s ? l'?tat dress? par le

3447
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:11,080
tr?sorier et sur lesquels des

3448
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:12,080
taxes impos?es n'ont pas ?t?

3449
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,080
pay?es en tout ou en partie.

3450
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:15,080
Conform?ment ? la loi et ? la

3451
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:16,080
politique de perception des

3452
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:18,080
taxes et de recouvrement des

3453
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,080
arr?rages de taxes, la Ville

3454
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:21,080
entreprend, par la pr?sente

3455
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:23,080
r?solution, la proc?dure de

3456
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:24,080
recouvrement aupr?s des

3457
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:25,080
propri?taires en d?faut de payer

3458
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:28,080
des montants... les montants dus

3459
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,080
depuis le 30 septembre 2023 ou

3460
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:31,080
ant?rieures. La vente aux

3461
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,080
ench?res est pr?vu le 27 juin

3462
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:35,080
2024 ? 9 heures. Tu t'immeubles

3463
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,080
pour lesquels des taxes n'auront

3464
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:38,080
pas ?t? pay?es en tout ou en

3465
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:40,080
partie ? cette date pourront y

3466
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:43,080
?tre vendus.

3467
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:54,080
>> It's been a long day, I start

3468
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:56,080
work at seven something. Tara

3469
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:57,080
Stainforth, district four.

3470
01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:59,080
>> All in favour?

3471
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,040
- Merci. >> 12.1 File the list

3472
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:02,040
of delegated staff changes for

3473
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:06,040
the month of May 2024.

3474
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,040
- 12.2 Approuver la liste des

3475
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:09,040
changements au personnel par

3476
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:10,040
d?cisions non d?l?gu?es au 7 mai

3477
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:12,040
2024.

3478
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:15,040
- Pour 12,2. To have a mover?

3479
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:16,040
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3480
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:18,040
>> And seconder?

3481
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,040
>> Tara Stainforth, district

3482
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:20,040
four.

3483
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:24,040
>> All in favour?

3484
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:25,040
>> 14.1 Award a contract for the

3485
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:27,040
repair of unistone sidewalks, to

3486
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:31,040
9042-0845 QU?BEC INC. Also known

3487
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:33,040
as MARIO C. ET FILS for the 2024

3488
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:37,040
season, for a total amount of $

3489
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:38,040
27,938.93, taxes included, with

3490
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:40,040
one optional season. The repair

3491
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:42,040
of the unit stone sidewalks

3492
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:43,040
mostly in the two villages

3493
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,040
ensures there are safe for

3494
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:47,040
pedestrians as well as providing

3495
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:49,040
durability and --

3496
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:50,040
- 14.2 Octroyer un contrat pour

3497
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:51,040
le nettoyage des ?gouts et des

3498
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,040
puisards pour la p?riode de mai

3499
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:54,040
2024 ? avril 2025, ? SOLUTIONS

3500
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:55,040
ENVRIONNEMENTALES 360 QU?BEC

3501
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:57,040
LT?E, pour un montant total de

3502
01:59:57,040 --> 02:00:00,000
165 239,77 $, taxes incluses,

3503
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,000
avec une p?riode en option. Les

3504
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:04,000
?gouts et les bassins de

3505
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:05,000
r?tention peuvent ?tre obstru?s

3506
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:06,000
par des d?bris tels que des

3507
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:08,000
faits, des d?chets et des

3508
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:09,000
s?diments. Un nettoyage r?gulier

3509
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:11,000
permet d'?viter des obstructions

3510
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:14,000
et de s'assurer que l'eau

3511
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,000
s'?coule librement, r?duisant

3512
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,000
ainsi le risque d'inondations et

3513
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:19,000
d'odeur. >> 14.3 Award a

3514
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:21,000
contract for the supply and the

3515
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:22,000
delivery of automotive

3516
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:23,000
maintenance parts for light and

3517
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:27,000
heavy vehicles, to UAP INC. VIA

3518
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:28,000
TRACTION ST-LAURENT for the lots

3519
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:32,000
A, B, C, E, F, H and I, for a

3520
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:37,000
total amount of $214,405.30,

3521
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,000
taxes included, and to also

3522
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:41,000
order a contract to PI?CES

3523
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,000
D'AUTOS HYMUS also known as

3524
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:45,000
ENTREP?T DE MONTR?AL 1470 INC.

3525
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:46,000
For the lots D and G, for a

3526
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:49,000
total amount of $ 105,166.09,

3527
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,000
taxes included.

3528
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:54,000
- 14.4 Approuver une

3529
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:55,000
modification au contrat

3530
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:56,000
intervenu avec P?PINI?RE JARDIN

3531
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,000
2000 INC., Pour la fourniture et

3532
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:58,000
la livraison d'arbres en pot

3533
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,000
pour le Jour de la terre

3534
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:00,060
(Lot B)

3535
02:01:00,060 --> 02:01:01,060
, pour un montant de 1 006,03 $,

3536
02:01:01,060 --> 02:01:04,060
taxes incluses. 25 arbres

3537
02:01:04,060 --> 02:01:05,060
suppl?mentaires ont ?t? ajout?s

3538
02:01:05,060 --> 02:01:07,060
pour r?pondre aux besoins des

3539
02:01:07,060 --> 02:01:08,060
citoyens. >> 14.5 Approve an

3540
02:01:08,060 --> 02:01:12,060
agreement to be entered into

3541
02:01:12,060 --> 02:01:13,060
with PROJET REM S.E.C regarding

3542
02:01:13,060 --> 02:01:15,060
planting and maintenance of

3543
02:01:15,060 --> 02:01:17,060
trees in the planting area. In

3544
02:01:17,060 --> 02:01:19,060
accordance with rams forestry

3545
02:01:19,060 --> 02:01:20,060
compensation obligations, the

3546
02:01:20,060 --> 02:01:22,060
room covers a planting with

3547
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:25,060
approximately 142 trees on the

3548
02:01:25,060 --> 02:01:26,060
median strip of the southeast

3549
02:01:26,060 --> 02:01:28,060
access road from Highway 42

3550
02:01:28,060 --> 02:01:30,060
Saint-Jean Boulevard.

3551
02:01:30,060 --> 02:01:31,060
- 14.6 Confirmer l'adh?sion de

3552
02:01:31,060 --> 02:01:32,060
la Ville de Pointe-Claire au

3553
02:01:32,060 --> 02:01:33,060
regroupement des villes pour les

3554
02:01:33,060 --> 02:01:34,060
appels d'offres qui seront

3555
02:01:34,060 --> 02:01:35,060
pr?par?s par la Ville de

3556
02:01:35,060 --> 02:01:36,060
Montr?al pour les abrasifs ainsi

3557
02:01:36,060 --> 02:01:38,060
que le sel de d?gla?age pour la

3558
02:01:38,060 --> 02:01:41,060
saison 2024-2025. La quantit?

3559
02:01:41,060 --> 02:01:42,060
annuelle approximative est

3560
02:01:42,060 --> 02:01:44,060
d'environ 8000 tonnes, mais peut

3561
02:01:44,060 --> 02:01:45,060
varier ? la hausse ou ? la

3562
02:01:45,060 --> 02:01:46,060
baisse en fonction des

3563
02:01:46,060 --> 02:01:49,060
changements climatiques. >> For

3564
02:01:49,060 --> 02:01:52,060
14.1 to 14.6, do I have a mover?

3565
02:01:52,060 --> 02:01:54,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3566
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:55,060
>> And seconder?

3567
02:01:55,060 --> 02:01:56,060
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3568
02:01:56,060 --> 02:01:57,060
district three.

3569
02:01:57,060 --> 02:01:58,060
>> All in favour?

3570
02:01:58,060 --> 02:02:02,020
>> Thank you. 15.1 Exercise the

3571
02:02:02,020 --> 02:02:03,020
renewal option provided for in

3572
02:02:03,020 --> 02:02:04,020
the contract entered into with

3573
02:02:04,020 --> 02:02:05,020
SANI-D?P?T DIVISION DU GROUPE

3574
02:02:05,020 --> 02:02:08,020
DISSAN, for the period of June

3575
02:02:08,020 --> 02:02:09,020
1, 2024, to May 31, 2025, in the

3576
02:02:09,020 --> 02:02:14,020
amount of $97,353.79

3577
02:02:17,020 --> 02:02:18,020
, taxes included, for the supply

3578
02:02:18,020 --> 02:02:19,020
and the delivery of janitorial

3579
02:02:19,020 --> 02:02:20,020
products.

3580
02:02:20,020 --> 02:02:21,020
- 15.2 Octroyer un contrat pour

3581
02:02:21,020 --> 02:02:22,020
des travaux de toiture aux

3582
02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:24,020
chalets de parc Cedar et Ovide,

3583
02:02:24,020 --> 02:02:25,020
? GROUPE CIRTECH INC., Pour un

3584
02:02:25,020 --> 02:02:27,020
montant total de 688 700,25 $,

3585
02:02:27,020 --> 02:02:30,020
taxes incluses. Les toitures

3586
02:02:30,020 --> 02:02:32,020
sont v?tus ces n?cessitent des

3587
02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:34,020
travaux pour ?viter les

3588
02:02:34,020 --> 02:02:35,020
infiltrations d'eau et autres

3589
02:02:35,020 --> 02:02:36,020
incidents. >> 15.3 Award a

3590
02:02:36,020 --> 02:02:39,020
contract for the maintenance of

3591
02:02:39,020 --> 02:02:40,020
municipal buildings for the

3592
02:02:40,020 --> 02:02:41,020
period of May 2024 to April

3593
02:02:41,020 --> 02:02:44,020
2025, to GROUPE MARLEB INC., For

3594
02:02:44,020 --> 02:02:47,020
a total amount of $65,989.90,

3595
02:02:47,020 --> 02:02:48,020
taxes included, with two

3596
02:02:48,020 --> 02:02:50,020
optional years.

3597
02:02:52,020 --> 02:02:53,020
- 15.4 Octroyer un contrat pour

3598
02:02:53,020 --> 02:02:54,020
la fourniture et la livraison de

3599
02:02:54,020 --> 02:02:55,020
pi?ces ?lectriques pour la

3600
02:02:55,020 --> 02:02:56,020
p?riode de mai 2024 ? mai 2025,

3601
02:02:56,020 --> 02:02:57,020
? LUMEN, DIVISION DE SONEPAR

3602
02:02:57,020 --> 02:02:58,020
CANADA INC., Pour un montant

3603
02:02:58,020 --> 02:03:03,080
total de 153 082,75 $, taxes

3604
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:04,080
incluses, avec deux ann?es en

3605
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:08,080
option. >> 15.5 Award a contract

3606
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:09,080
for professional services for

3607
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:12,080
the renovation of the locker

3608
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:13,080
rooms and offices at the Aquatic

3609
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:14,080
Center, to RIOPEL DION ST-MARTIN

3610
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:19,080
INC., For a total amount of

3611
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:22,080
$766,538.33, taxes included.

3612
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:23,080
This contract for professional

3613
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:25,080
services required to prepare the

3614
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:26,080
plants for the work, as well

3615
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:28,080
supervision construction.

3616
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:29,080
- 15.6 Octroyer un contrat pour

3617
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:30,080
des travaux d'entretien et de

3618
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:31,080
r?paration du syst?me

3619
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:32,080
frigorifique ? l'ammoniac

3620
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:35,080
Ecochill ? l'ar?na Bob Birnie

3621
02:03:35,080 --> 02:03:36,080
pour les p?riodes de mai 2024 ?

3622
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:37,080
avril 2025, et de mai 2025 ?

3623
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:39,080
avril 2026, ? CIMCO

3624
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:40,080
R?FRIG?RATION, DIVISION TOROMONT

3625
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:43,080
INDUSTRIES LTD., Pour un montant

3626
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:48,080
total de 206 776,79 $, taxes

3627
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:51,080
incluses, avec trois p?riodes en

3628
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:55,080
option. >> 15.7 Approve a change

3629
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:56,080
order to the contract entered

3630
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:59,080
into with CONSTRUCTION CPB INC.,

3631
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:00,040
For the extension and renovation

3632
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:02,040
of Public Works, for an amount

3633
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:07,040
of $113,595.82, taxes included.

3634
02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:09,040
Modifications include

3635
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:11,040
architectural, electrical,

3636
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:12,040
structural, and civil

3637
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:15,040
engineering works.

3638
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:18,040
- Pour 15,1 a 15,7. Do I have a

3639
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:19,040
mover?

3640
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:21,040
>> Mister Mayor, would you like

3641
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:24,040
to -- would you please isolate

3642
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:26,040
the 15.7, because I will be

3643
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:27,040
withholding no.

3644
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:31,040
>> Okay, so far 15.1 to 15.6, do

3645
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:33,040
I have a mover?

3646
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:35,040
>> Bruno Tremblay, district six.

3647
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:40,040
>> And seconder?

3648
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:47,040
All in favour? For 15.7, Mr.

3649
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:49,040
Cousineau? Await, do I have a

3650
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:50,040
mover?

3651
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:51,040
>> Bruno Tremblay, district. Six

3652
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:53,040
>> And a seconder?

3653
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:57,040
>> -- Senate, district two.

3654
02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:58,040
Monsieur Cousineau, vous

3655
02:04:58,040 --> 02:05:03,000
voudriez expliquer?

3656
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:04,000
>> Yeah, I think consist about

3657
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,000
this project the public work

3658
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:09,000
building. And I vote know all

3659
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:10,000
along. One of the reasons is

3660
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:14,000
that I came in and I think I had

3661
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:18,000
knowledge of that file for one

3662
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:22,000
caucus and then it was voted on,

3663
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,000
the 25 million was voted on the

3664
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:28,000
next meeting. So I did not have

3665
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:30,000
enough information in the amount

3666
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:34,000
was not appealing to me. Thank

3667
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,000
you.

3668
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:38,000
>> For 15.7, all in favour?

3669
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:39,000
Against?

3670
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:44,000
- Merci. >> Thank you.

3671
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,000
- 16.1 Se pr?valoir de l'option

3672
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:51,000
de renouvellement pr?vue au

3673
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:52,000
contrat intervenu avec SANIVAC,

3674
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:53,000
pour l'ann?e 2024, au montant de

3675
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:54,000
117 996,69 $, taxes incluses,

3676
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:55,000
pour des travaux d'inspection

3677
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:56,000
t?l?vis?e des r?seaux pluviaux

3678
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:57,000
et sanitaires de diverses rues.

3679
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:59,000
16.2 Award a contract for --

3680
02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:05,060
>> 16.2 Award a contract for

3681
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:06,060
resurfacing works and sidewalk

3682
02:06:06,060 --> 02:06:09,060
construction on Belmont Avenue

3683
02:06:09,060 --> 02:06:10,060
between Coolbreeze and

3684
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:11,060
Saddlewood avenues, to ROXBORO

3685
02:06:11,060 --> 02:06:14,060
EXCAVATION INC., For a total

3686
02:06:14,060 --> 02:06:15,060
amount of $ 598,694.08, taxes

3687
02:06:15,060 --> 02:06:20,060
included. The lighting on the

3688
02:06:20,060 --> 02:06:21,060
section will also be completely

3689
02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:23,060
replaced.

3690
02:06:23,060 --> 02:06:24,060
- 16.3 Octroyer un contrat pour

3691
02:06:24,060 --> 02:06:25,060
le remplacement des

3692
02:06:25,060 --> 02:06:26,060
raccordements de services du

3693
02:06:26,060 --> 02:06:27,060
chalet du parc Arthur-S?guin, ?

3694
02:06:27,060 --> 02:06:28,060
CONSTRUCTION CAMARA, pour un

3695
02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:30,060
montant total de 203 270,05 $,

3696
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:33,060
taxes incluses. Le travail

3697
02:06:33,060 --> 02:06:35,060
consiste ? abandonner et enlever

3698
02:06:35,060 --> 02:06:38,060
les tuyaux existants, fournir et

3699
02:06:38,060 --> 02:06:39,060
installer de nouveaux tuyaux,

3700
02:06:39,060 --> 02:06:41,060
r?aliser tous les raccordements

3701
02:06:41,060 --> 02:06:42,060
n?cessaires et r?parer ce qui

3702
02:06:42,060 --> 02:06:43,060
sera endommag?. >> 16.4 Award a

3703
02:06:43,060 --> 02:06:46,060
contract for professional

3704
02:06:46,060 --> 02:06:47,060
services for geotechnical

3705
02:06:47,060 --> 02:06:49,060
studies, environmental

3706
02:06:49,060 --> 02:06:51,060
characterization and material

3707
02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:54,060
quality control for municipal

3708
02:06:54,060 --> 02:06:55,060
infrastructure rehabilitation

3709
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:58,060
for 2024, to GROUPE ABS INC.,

3710
02:06:58,060 --> 02:07:01,020
For a total amount of

3711
02:07:01,020 --> 02:07:02,020
$773,691.78, taxes included,

3712
02:07:02,020 --> 02:07:06,020
with two optional years. This

3713
02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:07,020
includes the approval of

3714
02:07:07,020 --> 02:07:08,020
technical data sheets for

3715
02:07:08,020 --> 02:07:09,020
various construction materials

3716
02:07:09,020 --> 02:07:12,020
and on site testing. It will

3717
02:07:12,020 --> 02:07:14,020
perform drilling and analysis

3718
02:07:14,020 --> 02:07:15,020
for the preparation of Gia

3719
02:07:15,020 --> 02:07:17,020
technical and environmental

3720
02:07:17,020 --> 02:07:18,020
reports to assist in the design

3721
02:07:18,020 --> 02:07:21,020
of future projects, provide

3722
02:07:21,020 --> 02:07:22,020
expertise in the analysis and

3723
02:07:22,020 --> 02:07:24,020
handling of contaminated soils,

3724
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:26,020
carry out analysis of stock

3725
02:07:26,020 --> 02:07:28,020
files in the public works yard

3726
02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:30,020
on a bimonthly basis, and

3727
02:07:30,020 --> 02:07:31,020
provide environmental reports to

3728
02:07:31,020 --> 02:07:34,020
ensure that materials are stored

3729
02:07:34,020 --> 02:07:37,020
and processed accordingly.

3730
02:07:37,020 --> 02:07:38,020
- 16.5 Octroyer un contrat pour

3731
02:07:38,020 --> 02:07:39,020
la correction du drainage du

3732
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:42,020
terrain de tennis Clearpoint, ?

3733
02:07:42,020 --> 02:07:44,020
9378-6549 QC INC.

3734
02:07:44,020 --> 02:07:45,020
(EXCAVATION D. JOMPHE)

3735
02:07:45,020 --> 02:07:47,020
, Pour un montant total de 79

3736
02:07:47,020 --> 02:07:51,020
653,09 $, taxes incluses. Le

3737
02:07:51,020 --> 02:07:53,020
projet consiste ? enlever la

3738
02:07:53,020 --> 02:07:56,020
r?gle d'asphalte existante et

3739
02:07:56,020 --> 02:07:58,020
reprocherez les foss?s existants

3740
02:07:58,020 --> 02:07:59,020
pour faciliter l'?coulement

3741
02:07:59,020 --> 02:08:01,080
d'eau vers les conduites

3742
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:03,080
d'entrer en b?ton, raccorder un

3743
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:06,080
tuyau plus vert en b?ton de 900

3744
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:07,080
millim?tres existants sur le

3745
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:08,080
site. >> 16.6 Award a contract

3746
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:10,080
for the refurbishment of the

3747
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:13,080
Lansdowne, Cedar and Kinsmen

3748
02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:14,080
park playgrounds, to TESSIER

3749
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:16,080
R?CR?O-PARC INC., For a total

3750
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:20,080
amount of $ 450,421.50, taxes

3751
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:23,080
included. The work includes

3752
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:24,080
demolition and replacement of

3753
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:26,080
existing playground equipment,

3754
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:28,080
play services, drainage system,

3755
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:30,080
and pathways.

3756
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:31,080
- 16.7 Octroyer un contrat pour

3757
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:32,080
des services professionnels pour

3758
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:33,080
la r?fection d'un terrain de

3759
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:34,080
balles et de terrain

3760
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:35,080
tennis-pickleball au parc

3761
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:37,080
Arthur-S?guin, ? GROUPE CIVITAS

3762
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:40,080
INC., Pour un montant total de

3763
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:44,080
79 965,11 $, taxes incluses. Ce

3764
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:45,080
contrat vise la pr?paration des

3765
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:46,080
plans et devis dans le but de

3766
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:48,080
faire la r?fection du terrain de

3767
02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:50,080
tennis, du terrain de baseball,

3768
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:51,080
j'ai l'?clairage, les plateaux

3769
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:52,080
sportifs et de la circulation

3770
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:54,080
entre ces ?l?ments du parc

3771
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:56,080
Arthur S?guin.

3772
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:59,080
- Pour 16,1 ? 16,7. To have a

3773
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:00,040
mover?

3774
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:02,040
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3775
02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:03,040
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3776
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:05,040
district three.

3777
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:07,040
>> All in favour?

3778
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:11,040
- Merci. >> 17.1 Amend

3779
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,040
resolution 2024-180 in order to

3780
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,040
modify the conditions authorized

3781
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:17,040
to SPAIP at 80 Broadview Avenue.

3782
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:21,040
It is necessary to amend the

3783
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,040
resolution resolution 2024-180

3784
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:23,040
to the condition related to the

3785
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:24,040
cement.

3786
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:25,040
- 17.2 Consid?rer les plans

3787
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:26,040
d'implantation et d'int?gration

3788
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:27,040
architecturale relatifs ? la

3789
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:28,040
propri?t? situ?e au 12, avenue

3790
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:30,040
Coolbreeze. Pour une d?molition

3791
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:31,040
et une nouvelle construction. >>

3792
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:32,040
17.3 Consider the site planning

3793
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:34,040
and architectural integration

3794
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:36,040
programme plans with respect to

3795
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:37,040
the property situated at 412

3796
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:40,040
Delmar Avenue. They are exterior

3797
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:42,040
renovations.

3798
02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:43,040
- 17.4 Consid?rer les plans

3799
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:44,040
d'implantation et d'int?gration

3800
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:45,040
architecturale relatifs ? la

3801
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:46,040
propri?t? situ?e au 44, avenue

3802
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:49,040
Drayton. Pour une r?novation et

3803
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:52,040
r?novation ext?rieurs. >> 17.5

3804
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:54,040
Consider the site planning and

3805
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:55,040
architectural integration

3806
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:56,040
programme plans with respect to

3807
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:57,040
the property situated at 13

3808
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:59,040
avenue Julien. Demolition and

3809
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:03,000
new construction.

3810
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:05,000
[Inaudible]

3811
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:19,000
>> Okay, pertaining to one of

3812
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:20,000
these --

3813
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:22,000
[Inaudible]

3814
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:24,000
I believe she is allowed to

3815
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:28,000
speak to 17.5 in this meeting.

3816
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:30,000
>> According to our bylaw, no.

3817
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:45,000
[Inaudible]

3818
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:47,000
>> You can't hear anything? You

3819
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:51,000
can't hear what's being said?

3820
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,000
>> The question period is over,

3821
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:55,000
insistence cannot convene.

3822
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:56,000
>> You can bring a question to

3823
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,000
the next question period, for

3824
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:00,060
sure.

3825
02:11:00,060 --> 02:11:02,060
[Inaudible]

3826
02:11:13,060 --> 02:11:18,060
>> Sadly.

3827
02:11:20,060 --> 02:11:23,060
Apparently not, this question,

3828
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:25,060
you can bring it to the next

3829
02:11:25,060 --> 02:11:26,060
meeting.

3830
02:11:26,060 --> 02:11:27,060
[Inaudible]

3831
02:11:27,060 --> 02:11:28,060
>> Oh, carry the clause, the

3832
02:11:28,060 --> 02:11:32,060
whole issue, 17.5 --

3833
02:11:43,060 --> 02:11:45,060
>> Can we carry it forward?

3834
02:11:45,060 --> 02:11:47,060
>> If you to withdraw the item,

3835
02:11:47,060 --> 02:11:49,060
we have a mover, propose or --

3836
02:11:49,060 --> 02:11:50,060
>> Do I have a mover to withdraw

3837
02:11:50,060 --> 02:11:53,060
the item of 17.4, the one you

3838
02:11:53,060 --> 02:11:55,060
would like, 0.5?

3839
02:11:55,060 --> 02:11:57,060
>> You can move it yourself, but

3840
02:11:57,060 --> 02:11:58,060
you need a seconder.

3841
02:11:58,060 --> 02:12:01,020
>> I moved to have 17.5 moved to

3842
02:12:01,020 --> 02:12:03,020
the next meeting. Do I have a

3843
02:12:03,020 --> 02:12:05,020
seconder?

3844
02:12:09,020 --> 02:12:10,020
>> Are you the owner the

3845
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:13,020
property? I'm sorry.

3846
02:12:13,020 --> 02:12:16,020
[Inaudible]

3847
02:12:19,020 --> 02:12:21,020
>> Maybe go to the microphone.

3848
02:12:21,020 --> 02:12:22,020
>> We will move the microphone

3849
02:12:22,020 --> 02:12:24,020
because the question period is

3850
02:12:24,020 --> 02:12:25,020
over.

3851
02:12:25,020 --> 02:12:27,020
>> Are we over, like -- I moved.

3852
02:12:27,020 --> 02:12:30,020
>> But no one seconded.

3853
02:12:30,020 --> 02:12:31,020
>> We have no seconder. Do we

3854
02:12:31,020 --> 02:12:33,020
have no seconder for moving 17

3855
02:12:33,020 --> 02:12:37,020
point -- now?

3856
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:41,020
>> I move in 17.1 and 17.5.

3857
02:12:42,020 --> 02:12:45,020
>> You need to vote on 17.1 to

3858
02:12:45,020 --> 02:12:46,020
17.5, please.

3859
02:12:46,020 --> 02:12:48,020
>> Do I have a mover? Have we a

3860
02:12:48,020 --> 02:12:50,020
mover and a seconder? I forget.

3861
02:12:50,020 --> 02:12:54,020
Do I have a mover for 17.1 to

3862
02:12:54,020 --> 02:12:56,020
17.5?

3863
02:12:56,020 --> 02:12:58,020
>> Claude Cousineau, district

3864
02:12:58,020 --> 02:12:59,020
one.

3865
02:12:59,020 --> 02:13:00,080
>> And seconder?

3866
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:01,080
>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

3867
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:06,080
>> All in favour?

3868
02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:09,080
- 17.6 Consid?rer les plans

3869
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:10,080
d'implantation et d'int?gration

3870
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:11,080
architecturale relatifs ? la

3871
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:12,080
propri?te situ?e au 53, avenue

3872
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:15,080
Queen. Pour des r?novations

3873
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:16,080
ext?rieures.

3874
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:17,080
>> 17.7 Consider the site

3875
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:18,080
planning and architectural

3876
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:19,080
integration programme plans with

3877
02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:21,080
respect to the property situated

3878
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:24,080
at 434 Saint-Louis Avenue. It is

3879
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:26,080
exterior renovations.

3880
02:13:28,080 --> 02:13:29,080
- 17.8 Consid?rer les plans

3881
02:13:29,080 --> 02:13:30,080
d'implantation et d'int?gration

3882
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:31,080
architecturale relatifs ? la

3883
02:13:31,080 --> 02:13:32,080
propri?t? situ?e au 10, avenue

3884
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:36,080
Victoria. Pour une excavation et

3885
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:37,080
des r?novations ext?rieures. >>

3886
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:38,080
17.9 Consider the site planning

3887
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:39,080
and architectural integration

3888
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:41,080
programme plans with respect to

3889
02:13:41,080 --> 02:13:42,080
the property situated at 161 De

3890
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:44,080
Windward Crescent Avenue. It's

3891
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:46,080
an extension.

3892
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:47,080
- 17.10 Autoriser l'affichage

3893
02:13:47,080 --> 02:13:48,080
commercial pour le bureau des

3894
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:49,080
ventes situ?e au 275, boulevard

3895
02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:53,080
Hymus.... On devrait les

3896
02:13:53,080 --> 02:13:57,080
allocations plut?t que vente.

3897
02:13:58,080 --> 02:14:02,040
- Pour 17,6 ? 17,10., You have a

3898
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:03,040
mover?

3899
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:07,040
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3900
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:12,040
>> Do I have a mover? Do I have

3901
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:14,040
a mover?

3902
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:15,040
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3903
02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:20,040
>> And seconder? All in favour?

3904
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:23,040
- Merci. >> 18.1 Authorize the

3905
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:25,040
implementation of a legal

3906
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:26,040
graffiti wall project near the

3907
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:28,040
skatepark. The initiative is

3908
02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:29,040
being put forward to find a

3909
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:30,040
positive solution to the

3910
02:14:30,040 --> 02:14:32,040
graffiti problem, preserve the

3911
02:14:32,040 --> 02:14:33,040
aluminum mural, and raise

3912
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:35,040
awareness among young people

3913
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:36,040
about the consequences of

3914
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:38,040
illegal graffiti.

3915
02:14:38,040 --> 02:14:39,040
- 18.2 Autoriser la s?lection de

3916
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:40,040
l'artiste, Annick Gaudreault,

3917
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:43,040
pour la r?alisation d'un projet

3918
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:44,040
d'art public temporaire sur la

3919
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:45,040
cl?ture en maille entourant

3920
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:46,040
l'aire de jeux des tout-petits

3921
02:14:46,040 --> 02:14:50,040
dans le parc David-W.-Beck. Ce

3922
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:54,040
projet d'art public est dans le

3923
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:56,040
parc parc David-W.-Beck. Du

3924
02:14:56,040 --> 02:14:58,040
district UNIS dans b?n?ficiera

3925
02:14:58,040 --> 02:14:59,040
aux citoyens ainsi qu'aux

3926
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:00,000
citoyens

3927
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,000
(---)

3928
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:02,000
tout en int?grant dollar public

3929
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:03,000
dans ce secteur de la ville. Ce

3930
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:04,000
projet serait temporaire et

3931
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:06,000
devrait avoir une dur?e minimale

3932
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:08,000
de 2 ans et contribuer

3933
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:09,000
positivement ? l'identit?

3934
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:11,000
visuelle du quartier. >> 18.3

3935
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:12,000
Authorize the creation of an

3936
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:14,000
urban-style artwork on the

3937
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:17,000
Hermitage chalet.

3938
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:27,000
Located in district six,

3939
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:28,000
scenery. This artwork would be

3940
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,000
the first one to be located on

3941
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:32,000
the north side of Brunswick

3942
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:33,000
boulevard and would be enjoyed

3943
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:35,000
by citizens of this area. The

3944
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:37,000
artwork would be displayed on

3945
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:38,000
wooden pals on the west wall of

3946
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:40,000
the chalet, according to

3947
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:41,000
recommendations by the City's

3948
02:15:41,000 --> 02:15:42,000
public works and building

3949
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:43,000
department.

3950
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:44,000
- 18.4 Autoriser la tenue d'un

3951
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:45,000
encan pour la disposition de

3952
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:46,000
biens en collaboration avec le

3953
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,000
Centre d'acquisitions

3954
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:48,000
gouvernementales

3955
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:49,000
(CAG)

3956
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:50,000
. 20 v?los stationnaires soit

3957
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:51,000
exc?dentaire et ne sont plus

3958
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:52,000
utilis?s par la Ville. La

3959
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:54,000
pr?sente autorisations vise leur

3960
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:55,000
mise en vente ? la chaire ? leur

3961
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:58,000
juste valeur marchande. >> For

3962
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:01,060
each 1.1 to 18.4, do I have a

3963
02:16:01,060 --> 02:16:02,060
mover?

3964
02:16:02,060 --> 02:16:03,060
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3965
02:16:03,060 --> 02:16:04,060
district three.

3966
02:16:04,060 --> 02:16:05,060
>> And seconder?

3967
02:16:05,060 --> 02:16:06,060
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

3968
02:16:06,060 --> 02:16:09,060
>> All in favour?

3969
02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:10,060
>> Closure.

3970
02:16:10,060 --> 02:16:12,060
>> Foreclosure, do I have a

3971
02:16:12,060 --> 02:16:14,060
mover?

3972
02:16:14,060 --> 02:16:15,060
>> Tara Stainforth, district

3973
02:16:15,060 --> 02:16:16,060
four.

3974
02:16:16,060 --> 02:16:17,060
>> And seconder?

3975
02:16:17,060 --> 02:16:18,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3976
02:16:18,060 --> 02:16:19,060
>> All in favour?

3977
02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:22,060
- Merci, tout le monde. Thanks

3978
02:16:22,060 --> 02:16:24,060
everyone.