[0:00] - Bonjour, salut tout le monde.
[0:01] We will get start with Council
[0:03] remarks. Councillor Cowan?
[0:20] - J'aimerais signaler que Madame
[0:21] Lysandre Rh?aume et moi sommes
[0:23] all?s hier soir et un citoyen de
[0:26] mon district pour assister ? la
[0:28] r?union de la Commission
[0:30] scolaire Les lobbys Pearson
[0:32] pourrez pr?senter notre
[0:33] initiative de jardins
[0:35] communautaires et de zones de
[0:36] conservation de la for?t urbaine
[0:38] qui se situe ? la limite est du
[0:41] terrain scolaire
[0:42] (---)
[0:43] . Getting approval for this
[0:45] community-based project and
[0:47] dream has been a long process.
[0:48] It started, for me, about five
[0:51] years ago. And it is not over
[0:52] yet. That said, the board gave
[0:54] us, shall we say, a supportive
[0:56] response, and more importantly,
[0:58] a solid contact, which has been
[1:00] difficult to obtain, with whom
[1:02] to take the next step, which is
[1:04] already being done. Louisiana
[1:06] has already sent her detailed
[1:07] proposal to our new contact in
[1:08] the board administration. I do
[1:10] believe we are making progress,
[1:13] baby step by baby step. And
[1:15] that's it. Thank you.
[1:18] - Conseiller Cousineau? You're
[1:21] good? Okay. Councillor
[1:23] Stainforth? You're good?
[1:25] Monsieur Bissonnette? Mr. --
[1:28] Councillor Homan?
[1:29] >> No I'm fine, thank you.
[1:31] >> Councillor Tremblay?
[1:35] >> Something here, okay, good
[1:38] evening, everyone. So for
[1:42] residents living on brigadier,
[1:44] Brock, and perhaps elsewhere on
[1:46] district six, you may have
[1:48] received a newsletter from Tara
[1:50] Stainforth, by calling to my
[1:51] left in district for, due to a
[1:53] postal distribution slipup. Rest
[1:57] assured, there has not been a
[1:58] change in districts. I am still
[2:00] your Councillor. For those
[2:02] wishing to be included in any of
[2:03] my information, simply send me
[2:05] an email at Bruno dot Tremblay
[2:09] at Pointe-Claire hyphen
[2:12] Clair.ca. Pour les r?sidents des
[2:16] rubriques donner Brock et
[2:17] peut-?tre ailleurs dans le
[2:18] district six, vous avez
[2:19] peut-?tre re?u r?cemment un
[2:20] bulletin de terreur Stanford, ma
[2:22] coll?gue du district IV ? la
[2:24] suite d'une erreur de
[2:27] distribution postale.
[2:28] Rassurez-vous, il n'y a pas eu
[2:30] de changement de district, je
[2:32] suis toujours votre conseiller.
[2:34] Si vous souhaitez recevoir mon
[2:35] bulletin d'information par
[2:37] courrier ?lectronique, il vous
[2:38] suffit de m'envoyer un courriel
[2:41] ? mon adresse personnel.
[2:48] J'ai aussi ajout? ici, notez
[2:51] bien que les travaux pour le REM
[2:52] entra?neront une fermeture de
[2:54] l'avenue Fairview en direction
[2:55] sud entre le boulevard Brunswick
[2:57] et la voie de service. En
[3:00] direction ouest de l'autoroute
[3:01] 40, du sept au 9 mai. Donc
[3:03] d'aujourd'hui au neuf. Work on
[3:07] the REM project will result in
[3:08] the closure of Fairview Avenue
[3:10] southbound between Brunswick
[3:11] boulevard and the westbound
[3:12] service route from Highway 40,
[3:15] from May 7th tonight. And
[3:17] finally, just a reminder that I
[3:19] think my colleagues up here will
[3:20] also appreciate, that your first
[3:22] point of contact for any
[3:24] questions related to city
[3:26] services is 514 630-1200 or the
[3:31] City web page section. You can
[3:32] also call your councillor
[3:33] directly. I am sure that being
[3:35] said, don't hesitate to contact
[3:37] me if you need any help getting
[3:38] to the right service. Enfin, je
[3:42] vous rappelle que votre premier
[3:43] point de contact pour toute
[3:44] question relative aux services
[3:45] municipaux est le num?ro de
[3:49] t?l?phone ou la section contact
[3:50] de la page Web de la ville.
[3:52] Toutefois, n'h?sitez pas ? me
[3:53] contacter si vous avez besoin
[3:54] d'aide pour acc?der aux bons
[3:56] services. Merci.
[4:00] >> Councillor Thorstad-Cullen?
[4:01] >> Yes, I would just like to
[4:04] make an announcement for an
[4:06] upcoming event in support of the
[4:09] West Island citizens advocacy.
[4:11] They are normally a Valois
[4:13] community resident. They are
[4:15] currently in Eric's district for
[4:17] the moment. But they are having
[4:19] their annual garden tour coming
[4:20] up on June 1st, just reminding
[4:22] any of those interested in
[4:25] gardening, funds go to support
[4:27] West Island citizens advocacy.
[4:30] So we love to support our
[4:31] community organizations that
[4:32] really build what our
[4:34] communities are made of. Thank
[4:36] you.
[4:37] >> Councillor Stork?
[4:40] >> Just a couple of things here,
[4:42] just a reminder to Northview
[4:44] citizens that Winthrop is being
[4:46] re-done. It's going to be a big
[4:48] project from Hymus all the way
[4:49] to Jubilee Square. It will also
[4:52] be the first time I think in
[4:54] Pointe-Claire that we will have
[4:55] a raised sign on, at the corner
[4:57] of -- and Winthrop. Some
[5:00] citizens concerned this will
[5:01] happen after the project on Del
[5:03] Mar, because actually Gilmour is
[5:05] closed, so they're being
[5:06] reverted to Winthrop, so that's
[5:08] two separate projects so there
[5:09] won't be any interference there.
[5:11] As well, the tennis court at
[5:13] Northview will be redone,
[5:15] repaved, resurfaced, and we'll
[5:17] be adding Pickleball lines in
[5:18] Pickleball courts to adjust to
[5:21] the Pickleball craze that is
[5:22] going on across North America.
[5:24] And lastly but not least, it's
[5:26] just a small little detail,
[5:29] C'est int?ressant. ?a fait deux,
[5:31] trois mois que
[5:35] (---)
[5:36] The electrical lights were burnt
[5:37] out, but they are finally
[5:39] working again. Not a big thing,
[5:41] but you know, safety and
[5:42] security is important to all of
[5:43] us. Thank you, Mister Mayor.
[5:45] - Merci ? tous mes conseillers.
[5:49] Thanks to all the councillors.
[5:51] Bonsoir mesdames et messieurs et
[5:52] bienvenu ? cette s?ance
[5:53] ordinaire du 07 mai 2024. Good
[5:55] evening ladies and gentlemen,
[5:56] welcome to this May 7th council
[5:58] meeting.
[6:05] Ce soir l'?quipe des finances
[6:06] d?pose le rapport financier 2023
[6:07] qui sera publi? sur le site Web
[6:10] demain. Voici les faits
[6:13] saillants de ce rapport. The
[6:18] year ended with a surplus of $24
[6:22] million. This is good news. This
[6:25] is largely due to $14.4 million
[6:26] in transfer duties, building
[6:28] permits, tax revenues and
[6:30] interest income. In terms of
[6:33] spending during 2023, our teams
[6:35] continued to prioritize the
[6:36] quality of services for the
[6:38] benefit of our entire community,
[6:41] as well as the efficiency and
[6:44] effectiveness of our day-to-day
[6:45] operations. Responsible resource
[6:48] management generated savings of
[6:50] $9.6?million. The City has
[6:53] invested steadily in the
[6:56] reconstruction and maintenance
[6:57] of municipal infrastructure to
[6:59] ensure that streets, sidewalks
[7:00] and utilities will remain in
[7:01] good condition for the next 50
[7:02] years. La majeure partie de
[7:09] l'exc?dent sera utilis?e pour
[7:12] refinancer et rembourser la
[7:13] dette ? long terme. Une
[7:19] partie servira ?galement ?
[7:23] poursuivre la modernisation de
[7:24] nos b?timents municipaux. En
[7:26] outre, la ville poursuivra ses
[7:30] efforts pour lutter contre
[7:32] l'agrile du fr?ne et son impact
[7:33] sur la canop?e urbaine,
[7:36] notamment en offrant des
[7:37] subventions aux citoyens. The
[7:40] report highlights that in order
[7:42] to maintain a service quality
[7:44] for regular operations, several
[7:47] projects have been carried out,
[7:49] including: Progress on the
[7:51] Public Works building expansion
[7:52] project; which we've all seen if
[7:54] you've driven along --, Road and
[7:57] infrastructure work on several
[8:00] avenues, Paving several street
[8:01] sections and repairing numerous
[8:02] sidewalks; Trail development and
[8:04] greening work; Improvement work
[8:07] in several parks: Efforts to
[8:11] counter the emerald ash borer,
[8:16] Information technology projects,
[8:18] and many others. On April 20, a
[8:20] home was burglarized on
[8:24] Lakeshore - Robert the occupants
[8:25] were away on vacation. The thief
[8:30] entered the house through the
[8:31] back door onto the patio,
[8:32] breaking the door's window. The
[8:33] owners followed the incident on
[8:34] camera and on the phone with
[8:37] police, public security, and
[8:40] Pointe-Claire volunteer rescue
[8:41] unit officials. After the
[8:44] incident, the security team
[8:45] replaced the broken glass with
[8:46] plywood, while minimizing the
[8:48] damage to the door. Without
[8:50] their excellent work in securing
[8:51] the door, the residence was
[8:53] potentially exposed to further
[8:54] damage from another intruder,
[8:56] animals or rain. We received a
[9:01] Thank You email from the owners
[9:03] of the house, who wanted to
[9:04] express express their
[9:05] appreciation for. For Tyler
[9:07] Tschunitz, Public Safety
[9:08] Inspector, Graeme Maag and Ryan
[9:09] McDonald from Pointe Claire
[9:13] Rescue. They concluded by saying
[9:14] that Pointe Claire residents are
[9:15] very fortunate to have these
[9:16] services. And I couldn't agree
[9:20] more. Bravo to all those
[9:21] involved.
[9:28] Conseil jeunesse Lors d'une
[9:29] s?ance extraordinaire tenue ? la
[9:30] salle du conseil de l'h?tel de
[9:31] ville, le lundi 15 avril, douze
[9:32] jeunes du primaire ont particip?
[9:33] au conseil jeunesse en
[9:34] pr?sentant trois projets
[9:35] cr?atifs pour notre ville. Les
[9:38] ?l?ves de l'?cole primaire
[9:40] Clearpoint ont occup? les postes
[9:42] de maire, de conseillers, de
[9:47] directeur g?n?ral et urbaniste
[9:48] et de greffier municipal. C'est
[9:51] toujours tr?s int?ressant de
[9:52] voir ces jeunes ? l'oeuvre, je
[9:55] vous invite ? aller sur notre
[9:56] site Web pour regarder la s?ance
[9:58] qui a ?t? enregistr?e pour voir
[10:01] nos jeunes en action. Ces jeunes
[10:05] filles et jeunes gar?ons ont
[10:06] effectu? un travail remarquable.
[10:10] Merci aux professeurs qui les
[10:11] ont accompagn?s tout au long de
[10:13] cette activit?. We have a busy
[10:19] month, we have an exhibit called
[10:25] La Biennale d'art contemporain
[10:29] autochthone called BACA, that
[10:30] started on April 27 and goes
[10:31] until June 23 at The Stewart
[10:32] Hall
[10:39] gallery. Notre prochain
[10:40] ?cocentre sera le 11 mai entre 9
[10:41] et 16 heures, il y aura du
[10:42] compost, des copeaux de bois et
[10:43] le service de d?chiquetage de
[10:44] papier. It is a major visual
[10:45] arts event featuring the work of
[10:46] some sixty artists from many
[10:47] nations.
[10:55] Our next Ecocentre will be on
[10:58] May 11 between 9 and 4. There
[10:59] will be compost and wood chips
[11:01] and paper shredding services. De
[11:04] retour cette ann?e c'est la
[11:05] journ?e des travaux publics, le
[11:07] samedi 25 mai, de 9 h ? 13 h,
[11:09] dans le stationnement du parc
[11:14] naturel Terra-Cotta, au 50,
[11:17] avenue Terra-Cotta.??C'est une
[11:18] belle journ?e familiale qui
[11:20] permet de rencontrer nos
[11:22] experts, de monter ? bord de
[11:24] camions, d'excavatrices et
[11:26] d'autres v?hicules utilis?s pour
[11:27] les travaux publics.? Il y a des
[11:29] Ateliers de bricolage,
[11:31] structures gonflables,
[11:32] maquillage et jeux garantiront
[11:36] divertissement et joie.?Et
[11:41] apportent unit?s d'emploi si
[11:42] vous apportez votre CV. Journey
[11:46] into the imaginary is the theme
[11:48] of our 2024 Cultural rendez-vous
[11:51] that is taking place on Sunday
[11:53] May 27
[11:59] between 10 am and 5pm at Stewart
[12:00] Park. We invite you to come and
[12:02] celebrate the mix of the arts
[12:05] and the imaginary. It is a fun
[12:06] day of family activities in an
[12:07] enchanting setting. Nous avons
[12:16] la collecte de sang du maire le
[12:18] mardi 28 mai ? partir de 10
[12:20] heures jusqu'? 20 heures au
[12:21] centre nautiques B de Valois. We
[12:28] have our annual mayors Blood
[12:29] clinic at the Baie de Valois
[12:30] nautical center on Tuesday, May
[12:31] 30 from 10 a.m. To 8 p.m. Cette
[12:35] semaine nous avons d?but?
[12:37] l'horaire d'?t? donc nos
[12:38] services administratifs sont
[12:39] ouvert du lundi au jeudi entre
[12:40] 8h et 16h30 et le vendredi de 8h
[12:44] ? midi This week we started our
[12:47] summer schedule, so our
[12:48] administrative services are open
[12:50] Monday to Thursday from 8am to
[12:52] 4: 30pm, and Friday from 8am to
[12:56] noon. Thank you for your
[12:59] attention.
[13:01] Merci beaucoup. Madame Thibault?
[13:07] - Alors 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre
[13:09] du jour. 1.1, adoption of the
[13:11] agenda, with one change, the
[13:12] withdrawal of 6.6..
[13:16] Donc l'adoption de l'ordre du
[13:17] jour avec le retrait du point
[13:21] 6.6.
[13:22] >> Do I have a mover?
[13:28] >> There are Stainforth,
[13:29] district four.
[13:30] >> And seconder?
[13:32] >> Eric Stork, district four.
[13:34] >> All in favour?
[13:37] - 3.1 Approuver le proc?s-verbal
[13:38] de la s?ance ordinaire du 2
[13:39] avril 2024, ainsi que les
[13:40] proc?sverbaux des s?ances
[13:42] extraordinaires du 9 avril et du
[13:43] 16 avril 2024.
[13:51] Eric Stork, district seven. Bon,
[13:54] p?riode de questions. Excusez.
[13:57] All in favour?
[13:58] >> Thank you. P?riode de
[14:01] questions. Question period. Pour
[14:03] la p?riode de questions, ce soir
[14:05] ? la p?riode de questions, vous
[14:06] avez ?t? accueilli ? l'entr?e
[14:09] pour vous inscrire ? la p?riode
[14:10] des questions. L'intention de
[14:12] cette d?marche est d'abord de
[14:14] permettre aux personnes de
[14:15] demeurer assise jusqu'? l'appel
[14:17] de leurs noms. Et d'accorder la
[14:20] priorit? aux r?sidents et
[14:22] r?sidentes de Pointe-Claire.
[14:26] Nous garderons 90 minutes pour
[14:27] la p?riode de questions, deux,
[14:30] une personne ? la fois au micro.
[14:33] Nous vous remercions d'attendre
[14:36] qu'un citoyen ait termin? de
[14:37] poser sa question et que vous
[14:39] soyez appel?s avant de vous
[14:40] lever pour venir poser votre
[14:42] question. Trois, les
[14:45] non-r?sidents pr?sents pourront
[14:46] poser leurs questions par la
[14:48] suite si le temps n'est pas
[14:51] ?coul?.,,.
[15:05] . We should stick to the 90
[15:08] limit time limit for question
[15:11] period. One person at a time of
[15:12] the microphone. Thank you
[15:13] waiting for a system to finish
[15:15] asking their question and be
[15:16] called before you get up to ask
[15:18] yours. And finally, nonresidents
[15:20] present will be able to ask
[15:21] questions afterward if there is
[15:23] still time. And we will begin
[15:26] with Jean-Francois mazy.
[15:28] Jean-Fran?ois Messier.
[15:37] - Je suis habitu? ? toutes les
[15:39] variations. Mon nom est
[15:41] Jean-Fran?ois Mercier de
[15:42] Portland. Je fais partie du 20%
[15:45] des citoyens de Pointe-Claire
[15:46] qui n'ont pas d'auto. Donc j'ai
[15:47] lu vos rapports d'urbanisme. Il
[15:50] y a quelques ann?es, j'ai obtenu
[15:53] une copie de rapports de Steer
[15:58] communications qui a ?t? fait
[15:59] pour la ville de Oakville en
[16:00] Ontario, qui est tr?s similaire
[16:01] ? Pointe-Claire. Et ce
[16:03] rapport-l? n'?tait pas politique
[16:05] et a clairement donn? le message
[16:07] que la Ville n'a pas le choix,
[16:09] elle ne peut pas augmenter sa
[16:11] population, elle ne peut pas
[16:12] densifier, ? moins de faire ce
[16:14] qu'on appelle un changement au
[16:18] transport public et v?lo. Je
[16:21] l'oublie, je suis un cycliste,
[16:22] j'avais oubli? ?a. V?lo et
[16:25] pi?tonniers ?ge. Parce que toute
[16:28] augmentation de population dans
[16:30] l'environnement routier actuel
[16:31] de la ville r?sulte en trop de
[16:34] trafic, trop de congestion, trop
[16:35] de bruit et une diminution de la
[16:37] qualit? de vie, ces villes-l?,
[16:39] comme Pointe-Claire, ont ?t?
[16:41] faites bas?s sur les autos dans
[16:42] les ann?es 50 et 60 et la ville
[16:46] de Oakville doit repenser non
[16:48] seulement juste dire qu'on doit
[16:50] faire un changement et amener le
[16:51] monde en transport en commun,
[16:52] mais la ville elle-m?me doit
[16:56] prendre un leadership pour
[16:58] convaincre le monde de faire ces
[16:59] changements-l? et accepter. J'ai
[17:01] assist? ? l'une des r?unions de
[17:02] la Ville de Pointe-Claire sur
[17:03] l'urbanisme j'ai constat?
[17:05] comment le monde r?siste ? ces
[17:08] changements-l? et ?a prend un
[17:11] leadership et sur cette
[17:14] question-l?, le leadership doit
[17:15] venir de la ville et ?a, ?a veut
[17:17] dire que le maire doit avoir le
[17:18] support de ses conseillers pour
[17:19] essayer de convaincre la
[17:20] population de faire ces
[17:21] changements-l?. On est plus dans
[17:23] les ann?es 50, on ne peut pas
[17:25] continuer de prendre son auto
[17:27] pour tout faire. Et ce sont de
[17:31] grands changements pour une
[17:32] ville comme Pointe-Claire, parce
[17:33] que le design des rues et
[17:34] difficile ? changer, mais c'est
[17:36] un changement qui doit ?tre fait
[17:38] et l? je n'ai m?me pas amen? le
[17:40] changement climatique qui nous
[17:41] pose aussi d'autres probl?mes.
[17:43] Et dans ce point de vue-l? et
[17:45] maintenant je veux arriver aux
[17:47] ?lections aux derni?res
[17:48] ?lections j'ai vot? pour ce
[17:49] maire-l?, parce que les maires
[17:54] avaient des formes sur le site
[17:55] Web on pouvez voir et qui puisse
[17:57] choisir le maire qui ?tait le
[17:58] plus compatible avec mes
[17:59] pens?es, mais les conseillers,
[18:00] on vote al?atoirement, parce
[18:04] qu'on ne conna?t pas la
[18:05] plate-forme et sur ce, me
[18:06] suggestion ? la Ville, c'est que
[18:08] la ville est un site Web
[18:10] officiel avec tous ces candidats
[18:11] et chaque candidat est sa
[18:14] plate-forme pour que quand on
[18:15] choisit un maire, on peut
[18:16] choisir un conseiller qui va
[18:17] ?tre compatible et pr?t ?
[18:20] travailler avec 1 m?tre et vice
[18:22] versa. Sam, c'est ma premi?re
[18:24] question. On me dit que je peux
[18:25] en avoir trois, j'en ai deux. La
[18:27] deuxi?me, c'est plus un
[18:28] commentaire. ?tant donn? que je
[18:31] suis d?pendant sur le transport
[18:32] en commun, je fais partie du 8%,
[18:34] j'ai particip? ? certaines
[18:36] consultations de la STM sur la
[18:38] r?forme des b?ches dans le West
[18:40] Island et aussi une pr?sentation
[18:43] de l'ARTM sur son projet de
[18:45] tramway ? Dorval et Lachine. Et
[18:48] d'un point important, la STM
[18:51] refuse d'utiliser des petits
[18:53] autobus dans les zones moins
[18:54] peupl?es. Parce que ce n'est pas
[18:56] compatible avec sa flotte. Et je
[18:58] pense que pour desservir le
[18:59] monde ? Pointe-Claire, pour
[19:00] rendre le transport public plus
[19:03] accessible et une option pour
[19:04] aller magasiner, des petits buts
[19:07] serait beaucoup plus tol?r? sur
[19:09] les rues r?sidentielles pour
[19:10] aller chercher le monde que des
[19:11] gros autobus de la STM. Alors je
[19:14] comprends les deux probl?mes, je
[19:15] vous pose le feed-back que j'ai
[19:18] re?ue de la STM qui, je pense,
[19:21] va un peu ? l'encontre d'un
[19:23] projet d'augmenter le changement
[19:27] mod?liste pour le transport en
[19:28] commun de Pointe-Claire.
[19:30] Deuxi?mement, pour l'ARTM, nos
[19:31] trains de banlieue du CP. Moi,
[19:36] j'ai v?cu l'int?gration en 81.
[19:38] Je faisais partie du groupe pour
[19:42] sauver les trains de West
[19:43] Island. Et j'ai vu comment les
[19:44] horaires n'ont pas chang?
[19:45] depuis. Malgr?, essentiellement,
[19:50] la capacit? de, surtout que le
[19:52] CP a voulu quitter le Qu?bec,
[19:56] l'ARTM, quand je leur ai parl?
[19:58] personnellement,
[19:59] essentiellement, le monde m'a
[20:00] dit qu'ils sont int?ress?s juste
[20:01] ? des projets structurants. Et
[20:04] d?finit un projet structurant en
[20:05] quelque chose qui d?filer et qui
[20:06] me d?raille avec un service ?
[20:07] tous les cinq minutes. Tout ce
[20:09] qui est en bas de ?a, ils ne
[20:11] sont pas int?ress?s. Qui met des
[20:13] rails, plut?t. Moi je vous pose
[20:15] ce challenge-l?, c'est surtout
[20:16] avec ce qui se passe avec le
[20:17] transport en commun, c'est
[20:19] d'aller voir le gouvernement et
[20:20] de dire: ?coutez, les trains de
[20:21] banlieue, nous autres, dans le
[20:22] West Island, ?a ne co?terait pas
[20:24] grand-chose d'augmenter la
[20:25] fr?quence. C'est juste n?gocier
[20:27] avec le CP, surtout que le CP
[20:29] ont de moins en moins de trains
[20:30] au Qu?bec. N?gocier avec l? CP
[20:32] pour avoir une plus grande
[20:33] fr?quence et, s'il vous pla?t,
[20:34] faites-le, au lieu d'attendre
[20:35] que ce soit un projet
[20:36] structurant ? 50 milliards de
[20:37] dollars. Voil?, ce sont mes deux
[20:39] points que j'avais ? dire.
[20:41] (rires)
[20:42] - Ce sont de bon point,
[20:43] Monsieur, merci beaucoup. Le
[20:45] dilemme, c'est toujours le
[20:47] dilemme ? Pointe-Claire, l'ouest
[20:48] de l'?le, on a la 20 et la 40
[20:52] Est et Ouest c'est facile, mais
[20:54] nord sud au sud nord, c'est
[20:56] l'enfer pour mes enfants comme
[20:58] aller ? l'?cole et prendre
[21:00] l'autobus. ?a prend toujours
[21:02] beaucoup de temps, m?me si on
[21:04] ?tait dans le district un
[21:05] appoint clair Sud, pour aller ?
[21:09] Lindsay, mon fils est rest? 25
[21:10] minutes. When it was Lyndsay
[21:13] Parce que le transfert et tout
[21:14] pour aller ? Fairview. Ce n'est
[21:17] pas logique, ?a. ?a, c'est l'un
[21:19] des probl?mes. Dans l'ouest de
[21:20] l'?le, c'est toujours un
[21:22] probl?me, le transport en
[21:24] commun, moi, j'?tais ?
[21:26] Notre-Dame-de-Gr?ce, j'?tais
[21:27] capable de prendre quatre ou
[21:28] cinq autobus juste ? un bloc de
[21:30] moi et je pouvais aller au
[21:32] centre-ville, C?te-Saint-Luc,
[21:33] n'importe o?, alors c'est pas
[21:36] mal frustrant, on a parl?
[21:38] souvent de ?a avec la STM et
[21:40] maintenant, je suis en train de
[21:41] parler avec
[21:43] (---)
[21:44] et Mich?le Gibson, on fait les
[21:45] m?mes arguments que vous nous
[21:46] avez pos?, on n'a pas
[21:50] l'infrastructure et on n'a pas
[21:51] le transport en commun pour une
[21:53] augmentation de population qui
[21:55] voudraient, c'est ?vident, alors
[21:59] c'est frustrant pour nous aussi.
[22:03] Les routes d'autobus sont tr?s
[22:04] int?ressantes aussi, mais je
[22:05] pense qu'elles ne sont pas si
[22:07] pire, l'un des probl?mes
[22:09] maintenant c'est qu'il n'y a pas
[22:10] beaucoup de monde qui prend le
[22:12] bus. Depuis la COVID COVID
[22:15] wrecked the regular transport
[22:17] usage. On a vu les autobus vides
[22:19] partout durant la COVID et apr?s
[22:21] aussi. Mais c'est pas bon quand
[22:25] m?me. C'est un grand probl?me.
[22:28] L'autre chose qui me frustre,
[22:33] ils ont fabriqu? le REM trop
[22:34] bas. On voudrait faire un viaduc
[22:40] mais ont demand? au REM avant
[22:41] qu'ils aient fabriqu? de faire
[22:44] ?a ? la bonne hauteur, faire la
[22:45] bonne chose, mais non trop cher.
[22:50] Alors pour continuer l'extension
[22:53] de Jacques bizarre, il faut
[22:54] aller en dessous du REM. Alors
[22:56] ?a co?te aussi. Donc je
[22:58] comprends bien ce que vous avez
[22:59] dit. I agree with everything you
[23:03] said. If you have an interesting
[23:04] thing -- Il y avait une partie
[23:05] int?ressante avec les
[23:06] conseillers avec le maire. La
[23:08] m?me position. Oui, je suis
[23:10] compl?tement d'accord. Il faut
[23:12] comprendre exactement la
[23:13] position politique de toutes les
[23:14] personnes. Tous les candidats.
[23:18] Et c'est pr?f?rable pour le
[23:20] syst?me ici, pour le syst?me
[23:22] municipal, c'est beaucoup mieux
[23:23] si on fait ?a. Si on faisait ?a.
[23:25] Absolument. Est-ce que ?a r?pond
[23:27] ? vos questions? Il y avait une
[23:29] deuxi?me?
[23:31] (inaudible)
[23:54] - Prenez le micro. Ce sont des
[23:56] bons points, oui, oui, s'il vous
[23:58] pla?t.
[23:59] - Excusez. Le deuxi?me point,
[24:01] c'est plus un feed-back que je
[24:02] vous faisais. De qu'est-ce que
[24:04] moi j'ai per?u des r?unions qui
[24:09] sont essentiellement des
[24:11] attitudes et de l'ARTM et de la
[24:14] STM. Et je pourrais parler de
[24:15] Hexo aussi. O? ils n'ont pas
[24:18] cette ambition d'am?liorer les
[24:19] services, ils sont juste
[24:20] int?ress?s ? impressionner
[24:21] madame Guilbault, la ministre,
[24:22] avec des grands projets de
[24:23] multi-milliards de dollars. Et
[24:26] je pense qu'? Pointe-Claire,
[24:28] bon, on peut dire qu'on devrait
[24:30] devenir Amsterdam demain en
[24:33] bloquant tous les rues etc.,
[24:34] Mais ?a va ?tre quelque chose
[24:35] qui va ?tre petit ? petit et je
[24:38] pense que si vous avez un
[24:39] succ?s, ces portions de ville
[24:43] par portion de ville, le village
[24:44] de plein Pointe-Claire, Valois,
[24:46] moi j'habite ? parc a ?t? donc
[24:48] j'ai le centre d'achats et le
[24:49] m?tro, moi je peux marcher ou
[24:51] prendre mon v?lo facilement pour
[24:52] aller magasiner et c'est pour ?a
[24:54] que j'habite l? et que j'ai mon
[24:56] auto. Parce que si j'habitais
[24:58] ailleurs, j'aurais une auto. Il
[25:01] y a des ?les ? point de Clark
[25:03] d?faire le Que vous devriez
[25:08] commencer par ?a. Je pense que
[25:10] c'est vraiment y aller ?tape par
[25:11] ?tape. Mais pour ?a, ?tant donn?
[25:13] que c'est ?tape par ?tape au
[25:14] lieu d'un grand projet grandiose
[25:15] de 55 milliards de dollars, bien
[25:17] l?, il faut convaincre ARTM, STM
[25:20] etc. De faire des am?liorations
[25:23] incr?mental aussi. Et c'est sur
[25:25] ?a, c'est pour ?a que je
[25:27] voulais...
[25:29] - On est compl?tement d'accord.
[25:31] Monsieur Tremblay qui a toujours
[25:33] son casque de v?lo avec lui. Il
[25:35] est d'accord aussi. Merci
[25:37] beaucoup, Monsieur.
[25:38] - Et je tiens, Monsieur, ? vous
[25:39] f?liciter pour vos propos tr?s
[25:41] positifs. C'est un sujet qui est
[25:42] extr?mement important. Et plus
[25:47] f?licitations encore, vous ?tes
[25:48] membre du 8%. ?a, je n'ai pas,
[25:51] je ne savais pas que ?a
[25:52] existait. Alors f?licitations.
[25:54] Mais comment vous faites pour
[25:55] calculer le 8%?
[25:57] (inaudible)
[26:00] - Que c'est 8%? Je vais poser la
[26:03] question ? l'interne. Merci.
[26:04] (rires)
[26:05] C'est bon.
[26:06] - Merci, Monsieur. Juste une
[26:08] autre petite observation. Ils
[26:12] sont en train de refaire le pont
[26:13] de l'?le aux tourtereaux. They
[26:17] almost didn't have a bike path
[26:18] and a bus lane. And she was
[26:22] ready to pull her hair out
[26:25] C'?tait comme les un et 60. Le
[26:26] projet au d?but, c'?tait comme
[26:27] les ann?es 60. C'?tait
[26:29] incroyable. Il voulait faire
[26:30] quelque chose comme ?a. Ce
[26:31] n'?tait pas comme ?a pour le
[26:32] pont Champlain. Mais sur l'?le
[26:34] aux tourtes, dans l'ouest de
[26:36] l'?le, on ne sait jamais. It's
[26:39] very interesting to see. There
[26:40] is a double standard, I must
[26:43] admit. Pour moi, c'est ?vident.
[26:47] Absolutely, Paul.
[26:49] - Merci beaucoup pour le
[26:50] commentaire, c'est tr?s
[26:51] int?ressant. J'ai juste deux
[26:52] points que j'aimerais apporter.
[26:54] N'oubliez pas pr?sentement que
[26:55] la ministre Guilbeault a
[26:56] rencontr? les maires des villes
[26:57] hier. Pour parler du d?ficit, il
[27:01] parlait de 2,5 milliards pour
[27:03] les cinq prochaines ann?es. Donc
[27:06] elle, suppos?ment l?, elle va
[27:07] essayer de savoir ce qui se
[27:08] passe, qu'est-ce que c'est
[27:09] r?ellement. Alors ce serait une
[27:11] chose, ?a va ?tre int?ressant ?,
[27:13] suivre ?a. Mais juste de vous
[27:14] faire part d'un commentaire, je
[27:17] n'ai aucune connaissance, mais
[27:20] un commentaire que j'ai d?j? eu,
[27:22] et j'en ai d?j? parl?. Et avec
[27:25] des gens de la STM, et eux
[27:26] autres disent que le fait de
[27:29] m?langer des autobus de, je ne
[27:32] sais pas, 60 personnes, avec des
[27:34] minibus, l'?quipement pour
[27:35] travailler dessus n'est pas le
[27:36] m?me dans le garage. Les pi?ces
[27:38] ne sont pas les m?mes. Ils
[27:39] disent que pour le peu que ?a
[27:41] co?te, parce que ?a prend un
[27:42] chauffeur quand m?me, que ce
[27:46] soit, que ?a ne vous r?ellement
[27:47] pas la peine, la diff?rence
[27:49] qu'il y a essay? de m?langer cet
[27:51] ?quipement-l? avec toutes les
[27:53] diff?rences qu'ils ont. ?a,
[27:54] c'est juste une observation que
[27:55] je vous fais part. Une autre
[27:57] chose. I'd just like to mention
[27:59] to that, that's exactly why we
[28:01] don't have the population of
[28:03] Chicago or New York during the
[28:05] day. I see the trains on the 20.
[28:07] At rush hour, they are full. But
[28:09] the rest of the day, there are
[28:12] just no people, whether they are
[28:13] on it at 10:00 or 10:30 or 11,
[28:16] there's practically nobody. It's
[28:18] always at peak time we don't
[28:19] have the volume. And that's
[28:21] exactly why the provincial
[28:22] government is now asking us to
[28:24] build communities. It's not like
[28:29] Dorval and the plaza were built,
[28:31] where you had a shopping centre
[28:33] with the style we had. And I
[28:35] remember, there was a great
[28:36] innovation at the time, all the
[28:38] stores in one place. But that
[28:40] model doesn't work today. And
[28:42] what they are trying to do to
[28:43] try to compensate for -- get
[28:47] cars off the road, and that is
[28:48] to build a community. A
[28:50] community means commercial on
[28:52] the ground floor with
[28:55] residential, it could be some
[28:56] condos, it could be apartments,
[28:58] they could have a clinic, they
[29:00] can have different office space
[29:01] so you don't have to travel to
[29:03] get to your office. That's the
[29:05] concept today, community, that's
[29:07] what they're trying to build.
[29:08] They are doing that in Lachine
[29:10] from where Scannell used to be
[29:11] on the lakeshore on St. Joseph
[29:13] up to the highway. That is what
[29:15] they are trying to do. And all
[29:18] redevelopment, not development,
[29:19] it's green development of
[29:22] massive land sites. Vaudreuil is
[29:27] developing, we are redeveloping,
[29:29] because of the change in it.
[29:33] Merci beaucoup d'?tre venus et
[29:34] merci pour les commentaires.
[29:35] It's all a question of height.
[29:37] Sandra Mackay.
[29:41] >> This isn't for my height.
[29:43] Before I get started, I just
[29:45] wanted to thank all of you for
[29:47] the work that you do. I know
[29:50] that you have the interests of
[29:52] the citizens of Pointe-Claire in
[29:55] your heart, and a lot of what
[29:57] you do is, I want to say,
[29:59] thankless. I kind of say you are
[30:01] unsung heroes, so thank you very
[30:03] much for the work that you do. I
[30:04] am here this evening to ask for
[30:06] your help on a problem though
[30:07] that needs heroes, climate
[30:10] change. It affects all of us. We
[30:13] are seeing it more and, more
[30:15] extreme weather events, we are
[30:16] seeing power outages more
[30:20] frequently, more extreme storms,
[30:22] flooding bum, forest fires,
[30:25] which is affecting the quality
[30:26] of the air, and then water and
[30:29] food security are going to be
[30:31] sort of the next pillar. So from
[30:34] what I have read, there is two
[30:36] main things we need to do. One,
[30:38] is stop burning fossil fuels, so
[30:40] drive fewer cars, like this
[30:42] gentleman said, which I think is
[30:43] fantastic, have more
[30:45] infrastructure and to -- in
[30:47] terms of public transit, you
[30:48] have more frequent transit,
[30:51] people will use it more often
[30:52] and then you will have more
[30:54] ridership. So I think having
[30:56] better frequency. I try to go up
[30:58] St. John's by bus and you missed
[31:00] the bus, you're waiting 40
[31:01] minutes in the winter. It's very
[31:03] long. Anyhow, the other thing of
[31:05] course is protection of forests
[31:08] and increasing expanding
[31:10] forests. Trees, especially
[31:13] centuries old trees, absorb much
[31:15] more CO2 than new trees. So it's
[31:18] kind of the basics of climate
[31:19] change, right? So that's why we
[31:22] need to protect the forests that
[31:24] we have. I agree that we need to
[31:25] build a housing for citizens. I
[31:27] think everybody is on the same
[31:29] page. People need places to
[31:31] live. But does densification
[31:33] have to mean destruction? Can we
[31:35] not have a win-win situation or
[31:37] rebuild on existing concrete
[31:40] spaces and save green spaces? In
[31:42] fact, the PMAD indicates that we
[31:45] need to save 30% of our land for
[31:48] force and green spaces. They
[31:49] talk about densification, but
[31:51] the thing I don't hear people
[31:53] talking about is the protection
[31:54] of green spaces and they needed.
[31:57] As human beings, they are part
[31:58] of nature. We need these green
[32:01] spaces. Doctors are prescribing
[32:03] park therapy where they send
[32:05] people off to a path to go into
[32:07] the woods. It's good for us. We
[32:10] forget we're part of nature
[32:12] because we are in our offices
[32:13] and all that stuff. So my
[32:15] question to all of you tonight,
[32:16] and it's maybe a pie in the sky
[32:19] Pollyanna kind of question, but
[32:20] that's a kind of girl that I am.
[32:22] I would love it if all of you
[32:23] could work together to help turn
[32:25] Fairview forest into a park for
[32:27] citizens to enjoy. I know it's a
[32:29] difficult challenge. I know we
[32:31] need money, we need a lot of
[32:34] things. But you are problem
[32:36] solvers. That's what you are
[32:37] good at. And you are smart
[32:38] people, and I think if you work
[32:40] together and use resources like
[32:42] the government of Qu?bec, the
[32:45] City of Montr?al, the CMM. They
[32:47] want to help us. They want to
[32:50] protect green spaces. And for
[32:53] our well-being of the future, we
[32:55] really need to do that. We could
[32:57] reach out also to Cadillac
[32:59] Fairview and say Cadillac
[33:00] Fairview, would you, you know,
[33:02] be willing to, you know, have
[33:04] this turned into a park in your
[33:06] name? It would be good
[33:07] advertising. They be a good
[33:09] corporate citizen, and we can
[33:10] build across the street at the
[33:11] mall, make the top of them all
[33:14] be apartments. I think there's
[33:16] lots of solutions. And you know,
[33:17] I think the citizens of
[33:19] Pointe-Claire love the green
[33:20] spaces, the tree canopy that we
[33:22] have here. That's why we love
[33:23] living here. It's such a great
[33:25] place to live. We love the
[33:27] community, you talk about
[33:28] community, Mr. Bissonnette, I
[33:30] couldn't agree more. So the past
[33:33] leaders of Pointe-Claire had the
[33:34] vision to protect terracotta and
[33:36] turn it into a park. When you
[33:38] like your children and
[33:39] grandchildren and future
[33:40] generations to remember you as
[33:41] the Council and the mayor, as
[33:44] the ones who turned Fairview
[33:46] forest into a park? Thank you.
[33:48] >> Is there a question in there?
[33:49] >> Yes, the question, would you
[33:51] work together to turn Fairview
[33:53] forest into a park? I know
[33:55] that's not an easy thing, but I
[33:58] think with climate change, we
[34:00] don't have a choice. We can't
[34:02] afford to lose it. And I know
[34:03] it's complicated. Yeah, I get
[34:08] it. But if we don't start
[34:10] somewhere and say let's work
[34:12] towards that, we won't get
[34:15] there. And this Councillor
[34:18] Thorstad-Cullen has a
[34:20] sustainability committee. Maybe
[34:21] they could help come up with
[34:23] ideas. I would be happy to
[34:27] involved in any way, and I'm
[34:28] sure my neighbours, I speak to
[34:29] my neighbours, they are also
[34:31] keen on this. And they are also
[34:32] worried about climate change. So
[34:34] I know I'm not alone. I'm not
[34:36] alone. And Mister Mayor, you are
[34:38] elected on protection of the
[34:39] forest, so that means more than
[34:41] 50% of Pointe-Claire citizens
[34:43] want to address these kind of
[34:46] issues.
[34:47] >> I agree. So what you're
[34:49] saying is where there's a will
[34:50] there's a way?
[34:51] >> Exactly --
[34:53] >> And I couldn't agree more. I
[34:55] have a couple of comments
[34:58] pertaining to your very
[34:59] excellent observations.
[35:03] Protecting the forest is one way
[35:05] to protect the tree canopy, but
[35:07] I see the tree canopy get
[35:08] diminish in another more subtle
[35:10] but insidious way, and that is
[35:11] the building of what we would
[35:13] call make mansions and monster
[35:15] houses, where a law that only
[35:17] has a certain amount of trees,
[35:19] we allow a house twice the size
[35:22] postwar houses, or whatever, to
[35:24] get knocked down, the house --
[35:26] reduced a tree canopy, even on
[35:27] those existing lots. And lot
[35:29] after lot after lot, we lose
[35:32] trees. So we lose our tree
[35:34] canopy not just coming down, not
[35:37] just existing green spaces, but
[35:39] incrementally all of the time,
[35:40] which is very frustrating to
[35:42] watch. Park therapy is an
[35:45] interesting concept. And what
[35:46] intrigues me about park therapy,
[35:48] and I've always made this
[35:49] argument, is that it is
[35:51] desperately needed in an urban
[35:52] setting. So this whole argument,
[35:54] let's consolidate and let's
[35:56] densify and let's make a jungle
[35:57] of cement in one spot, and then
[35:59] have a green elsewhere doesn't
[36:01] work, because you don't have --
[36:03] you have to drive to go get your
[36:04] green space, whereas -- and
[36:06] that's the argument, you densify
[36:08] and densify, there is no green
[36:10] spaces anymore where you've
[36:11] densify, we have no park there,
[36:13] you have to drive for your park
[36:15] therapy. So the idea you are
[36:17] proposing is very interesting.
[36:18] The Fairview forest is a natural
[36:20] green space for what will be
[36:22] possibly a large residential
[36:24] development on a mute one and
[36:26] the Kirkland site, right beside
[36:28] it. So two large residential
[36:30] developments, there's a natural
[36:31] green space there. It is a
[36:32] no-brainer for me. The question
[36:35] of protecting that green space
[36:37] is the challenge. And you've got
[36:39] into that one. The government of
[36:40] Qu?bec and the CMF have been
[36:43] approached. So we need help from
[36:45] the citizens to put pressure on
[36:46] them as well, because they have
[36:47] been approached. And you know,
[36:49] the CNN did give an RCI, which
[36:52] good and great on their part.
[36:54] But wouldn't it be nice to house
[36:56] some financial assistance? Would
[36:58] it be nice to acquire the
[37:00] forest? These are all
[37:01] possibilities. Whereas the
[37:02] environment of Qu?bec and
[37:03] protect that forest much more
[37:05] student lee than it has today.
[37:07] So there are all kinds of ways
[37:09] we can try and save that forest.
[37:12] Councillor Stork?
[37:15] >> Wow, a lot to address there.
[37:18] I think the important thing is,
[37:20] like, we are all conscious of
[37:21] the environment. We need to
[37:22] protect as much green space as
[37:24] we can. Your mention of the
[37:26] Fairview forest is interesting.
[37:29] It's commonly said, but you
[37:31] know, the dynamics are very
[37:33] different. If you compare the
[37:35] Fairview forest in the
[37:37] Technoparc in St. Laurent, one
[37:38] is federal land. Unfortunately
[37:40] for the cause, is privately held
[37:43] land. It's owned, it's rezoned,
[37:45] it's not an urban landscape,
[37:46] it's not a park, it's zoned. So
[37:48] that gives a lot of power and a
[37:51] lot of weight to the owners of
[37:53] that land. It has already been
[37:55] stated, and if you feel the
[37:57] issue is not coming up, it's
[37:58] because there is a time for it
[37:59] to get there, of the 42 acres or
[38:02] 43 acres of the Fairview forest,
[38:04] approximately 11.5 are already
[38:06] protected from the minister of
[38:08] the Environment. This is
[38:10] something that's calm and
[38:11] knowledge. It's not expressed a
[38:12] lot. So that's already been
[38:14] protected. From there, you can
[38:16] also take about -- when any
[38:17] development happens, I'm
[38:18] therefore saving as many trees
[38:19] as possible, believe me. And the
[38:21] concept is to over densify and
[38:22] other areas, in concrete parking
[38:24] lots. But you can't have it all.
[38:26] And if you want to create green
[38:28] space, the key thing is
[38:30] negotiations. We are not
[38:32] speaking terms with -- right
[38:34] now. And as we all know, there
[38:35] are some legal issues that exist
[38:37] right now, and I wish there was
[38:38] not, but there is. But that is
[38:40] part of the negotiation, give us
[38:43] this, at a story there, give us
[38:45] a bit more the forest, and
[38:46] that's where the conversation
[38:47] that has to be had. And the
[38:48] ultimate goal, I'm not gonna go
[38:49] on too long,'s price. At the end
[38:51] of the day, it is private land.
[38:55] There is expropriation laws
[38:56] being negotiated at the
[38:57] provincial level. And there will
[38:58] be a point where we have to put
[39:00] $1 value, we are going after the
[39:03] citizenry, at what point are you
[39:04] going to pay for this? Because
[39:06] it does come, we can get grants
[39:08] for the government, but I can
[39:09] tell you right now, everything
[39:10] I've read, I am pretty much the
[39:13] PMAD go-to guy, I do not see,
[39:16] you know, hundreds of millions
[39:17] of dollars coming from the
[39:19] provincial or the CMM in terms
[39:20] of protecting the Fairview
[39:22] forest. The 30% ratio is a pan
[39:25] Montr?al ratio. I think we're at
[39:27] 24%. And there are already
[39:28] people saying I don't think we
[39:29] are going to get to the 30,
[39:30] which we should, it's important.
[39:32] So that being said, at the end
[39:33] of the day, there is a price
[39:35] thing. And once those things
[39:36] start to happen, I think we need
[39:38] have earnest discussions among
[39:40] Council, with the Mayor, and
[39:41] with the citizens on what we are
[39:42] willing to do to try to do as
[39:44] much as we can. But definitely a
[39:46] negotiation, and it's very
[39:48] complex.
[39:49] >> Isn't there --
[39:50] >> So, that's too much time.
[39:51] >> Isn't there a law, an
[39:53] expropriation law, that the
[39:54] Qu?bec government is putting in
[39:55] place that would allow the City
[39:56] of Pointe-Claire to rezone that
[39:59] land?
[40:02] >> Yes. Hasn't been tested yes,
[40:05] but yes, indeed.
[40:06] >> I think Mr. Stork, thank you
[40:07] for your comments --
[40:08] >> But let me explain that,
[40:11] because the fact right now --
[40:13] >> Councillor Stork?
[40:15] >> Go ahead.
[40:16] >> Just to reiterate then, the
[40:20] percentage that is protected at
[40:21] the moment is nowhere near
[40:23] enough. And for me, the organ is
[40:24] not about money, it's about
[40:25] whether we live, our kids live
[40:27] in the next decade or two, and
[40:29] it's not about money, it's about
[40:31] our health and quality of life.
[40:33] And money should not be the
[40:35] variable. And at one point, we
[40:36] are going to have to make our
[40:38] quality of life and are possible
[40:40] existence more important than
[40:42] dollars or cents.
[40:43] >> Absolutely.
[40:44] >> But just let me --
[40:46] unfortunately, Councillor Stork,
[40:48] did you ask to speak, Councillor
[40:50] Stork? There is a chair.
[40:51] >> Mister Mayor, may I respond?
[40:53] >> Yes, you may, thank you
[40:54] Councillor Stork.
[40:55] >> Thank you, Mister Mayor
[40:56] Thomas. So back to the
[40:59] expropriation law, and less you
[41:00] want to explain it Mister Mayor
[41:01] --
[41:02] >> I've already explained
[41:03] enough, Mister Stork. Would you
[41:04] like to --
[41:05] >> I will explain it
[41:06] differently. Right now the
[41:08] expropriation laws are in front
[41:09] of the provincial government, as
[41:10] it stands right now, in terms of
[41:12] what they can put the value of
[41:13] expropriation at. We have three
[41:14] different values. You have the
[41:16] actual property tax value, which
[41:18] at Fairview forest, if I'm not
[41:19] mistaken, is $39 million. And
[41:21] then you have a secondary value,
[41:22] which would be the value of the
[41:24] market of this land for a
[41:25] developer to buy it. The Third
[41:27] value is not just the value add
[41:29] of the current market developer
[41:30] to buy it, but also the lost
[41:33] profits and all the proceeds and
[41:35] future revenues. What they're
[41:36] trying to do is diminished the
[41:39] -- at the third level to make
[41:41] sure developers can't speculate,
[41:43] which I'm one hunted percent in
[41:44] accordance with. But we are
[41:45] still waiting to see, you know,
[41:46] where that ends up in terms of
[41:48] Expropriations. So there are,
[41:50] and even expropriation must get
[41:52] approved by the provincial
[41:53] government and by the CMM. It's
[41:55] not our divine right,
[41:56] unfortunately.
[41:57] >> I understand, Mister Stork. I
[41:58] am aware that it's a financial
[42:02] issue. But as the mayor said so
[42:04] well, this is a species, a human
[42:07] species issue. And you have
[42:09] children, Mr. Stork?
[42:11] >> Yes.
[42:12] >> Yes, so do you want to take
[42:13] that away from your children,
[42:15] this green space that could help
[42:18] with --
[42:19] >> Okay, we are getting personal
[42:20] here, but --
[42:21] >> Yeah.
[42:22] >> But let's -- Councillor
[42:25] Tremblay wanted to speak.
[42:26] >> Mister Mayor, if I could?
[42:28] First of all, Mr. Sandra Maki
[42:30] thank you very much for your
[42:32] commentary on the forests and
[42:33] the importance of preserving the
[42:34] natural world. But what I would
[42:36] like to retain from your message
[42:39] is, two important things. One is
[42:41] obviously climate change, that
[42:42] we hear about on a regular
[42:43] basis. But climate change tied
[42:46] to our narrow decision-making
[42:49] ability. There is only -- as we
[42:51] go down the road to increasing
[42:56] temperatures, we are at a point
[42:58] where we start -- we need to
[42:59] start making decisions today in
[43:00] order to be able to meet the
[43:02] challenges that we are gonna be
[43:03] facing tomorrow. So that's one.
[43:07] Number two is the importance I
[43:11] think in your message of finding
[43:12] a way to become creative and
[43:14] finding a way to work towards a
[43:16] problem, to solve the problem,
[43:18] in order to be able to reduce
[43:21] the fairly large looming climate
[43:24] issues that we are going to be
[43:26] facing. So I really appreciate
[43:29] your message and I think it's
[43:30] deafening something we could
[43:31] work together in Council in
[43:34] terms of being able to structure
[43:36] a package, an idea, a way
[43:38] forward, with the intention of
[43:39] problem solving but was also the
[43:41] intention of saving. And once
[43:42] you are there, it is always a
[43:44] question of the intention, being
[43:46] able to get to a certain
[43:48] distance. Then the sky is the
[43:50] limit with what you are able to
[43:51] do. And I have the feeling that
[43:53] other parties involved, whether
[43:54] they be government or corporate,
[43:55] would be willing to play as
[43:57] well.. Because it can be very
[43:59] inspirational to do that. And I
[44:00] think a lot of people like being
[44:02] part of inspirational projects.
[44:03] So again, thank you for your
[44:05] comments.
[44:06] >> Thank you very much. I
[44:07] apologize, Mister Stork, I
[44:08] didn't mean to be rude.
[44:09] >> From what I understand,
[44:11] citizens are texting me and web
[44:12] diffusion has been cut off. Is
[44:13] that correct? Apparently the
[44:17] citizens are saying that the web
[44:20] diffusion -- Est-ce que monsieur
[44:26] ne comprend? Non? O.K.. J'ai une
[44:30] couple de textes qui disent que
[44:31] c'est coup?, mais aucun. Okay,
[44:35] can lines?
[44:41] >> Good evening. I have a
[44:43] question concerning item 15.5 in
[44:45] the agenda. It's about the
[44:47] contract for professional
[44:48] services for the the aqua Centre
[44:54] at, right here, where they are
[44:57] gonna be doing the lockers and
[44:59] office space. My question is,
[45:02] are we going to finally fix the
[45:06] saunas?
[45:08] [Laughter]
[45:09] Yes, and I have to tell, you
[45:10] since I've become Mayor that's
[45:11] probably one of the number one
[45:12] issues I've heard about. And
[45:14] apparently it cannot be done
[45:15] because you don't want to fix it
[45:18] incrementally, because the whole
[45:19] thing is being re-done, so it
[45:21] gets done at the same time as
[45:23] the renovation, so everyone has
[45:25] waited a couple of years for the
[45:26] sauna, and they are not happy
[45:27] for it. I will let Madame Verdun
[45:30] or monsieur Gerard answer the
[45:32] timeline on the saunas.
[45:35] >> I am confirming that the
[45:36] saunas will be part of the
[45:39] overall aquatic centre project.
[45:41] Right now, we've got a timeline.
[45:44] The Santos were essential
[45:45] assessed, they are obsolete.
[45:47] We've got a timeline to renovate
[45:49] it that coincides with the
[45:51] overall aquatic centre timeline.
[45:54] So both projects are being
[45:55] emergent one, basically.
[45:57] >> Is it just the lockers that
[45:58] are being replaced or are you
[46:00] doing major changes as well? My
[46:03] main question is, are you still
[46:05] going to have the same setup as
[46:07] for what we have for the various
[46:08] locker rooms? You know, we've
[46:10] got families, we've got
[46:11] combined, and we've got men and
[46:12] women separate.
[46:13] >> There will be family,
[46:15] combined, and men and women's.
[46:17] There will be accessibility
[46:20] aspects that also will be added
[46:21] to the project. Circulation
[46:23] corridors, dry corridor, wet
[46:25] corridor, so on and so forth.
[46:27] >> Okay, what about the showers.
[46:30] >> It will be additional showers
[46:32] if you're talking about closed
[46:34] in showers, there will be
[46:36] additional cabins. You will
[46:37] still have the open showers as
[46:39] well.
[46:40] >> Good. Okay, last --
[46:43] >> That's question number one.
[46:45] >> Number two is not number two,
[46:47] it's a comment. I'm used to
[46:53] councils working collegiately.
[46:57] In other, words you work
[46:58] together, it's given take, and
[47:01] not having to say my opinion is
[47:04] more important than others. And
[47:05] when we are talking to the
[47:07] council, we are talking to the
[47:09] council, not individual
[47:11] councillors, and that's why I
[47:13] strongly believe, unless there
[47:14] is something extremely
[47:16] important, it should always be
[47:17] the mayor that answers. You,
[47:20] Mister Mayor, cannot decide
[47:24] everything. And unfortunately,
[47:26] you have to work with the
[47:27] previous council, except for one
[47:29] member here. And they are the
[47:31] ones that gave us what we have
[47:34] now, with all these high-rise
[47:35] buildings that are coming
[47:36] around. Whether we like it or
[47:39] not, they are the majority. We
[47:42] have to respect the majority,
[47:45] putting up, let's say, a fight
[47:47] like you're doing, I am with you
[47:50] 100% with your point of view.
[47:52] But it can't work that way. You
[47:54] know, it's up to us citizens,
[47:56] when we vote, to decide what we
[47:59] want. You are the councillors we
[48:01] have. We have to live with you.
[48:04] And except what your decisions
[48:07] are, whether we like them or
[48:09] not. So I am asking, like other
[48:12] people that asked before us,
[48:13] work together, don't squawk.
[48:17] Your not in an election mood or
[48:21] anything like that. Your point
[48:22] of views are different. Yeah, I
[48:24] can understand, I respect them.
[48:27] So that is what I am asking.
[48:30] Please work together so we don't
[48:32] have someone asking Qu?bec City
[48:33] to come put our nose in our
[48:36] business.
[48:37] [Applause]
[48:40] >> Very good point, Mister Ken
[48:43] Lyons. I can give a couple of
[48:45] answers to it, to your comment.
[48:47] But by the way
[48:50] [Inaudible]
[48:51] In a second, Mister Bissonnette.
[48:52] There are rules of procedure as
[48:54] to how people are speaking in an
[48:56] order. And provided they are not
[48:58] abused, there is nothing wrong
[48:59] being done if the rules are
[49:01] being followed. It comes down to
[49:05] expressing oneself. In some
[49:07] worlds, if you hear a different
[49:10] point of view, it's offensive
[49:11] and people don't like it. I was
[49:13] raised and trained in a world
[49:15] where we accept a different
[49:16] points of view. So it's very
[49:18] important to understand that
[49:19] fighting is not expressing a
[49:20] point of view. Fighting is
[49:23] simply expressing your point of
[49:24] view. And I'm used to having
[49:26] done that in my previous life,
[49:28] as an academic. And that's what
[49:30] I think most people should be
[49:31] able to do, especially at a
[49:34] Council. I don't think we should
[49:35] all line up and say the same
[49:36] thing. So I think everybody
[49:37] should be allowed to have a
[49:39] difference of opinion. But those
[49:41] differences of opinion must be
[49:43] tolerated. And that's what we
[49:44] are getting at here, sir. So I
[49:47] take what you are saying and I
[49:48] appreciate what you are saying.
[49:50] And I concur, entirely. Thank
[49:52] you very much. The next
[49:55] question, oh, Paul, you wanted
[49:57] to speak?
[49:59] >> Just --
[50:01] >> Commenting on your comment
[50:03] there, if you remember, I think
[50:05] it was and a February the mayor
[50:07] of Gatineau resigned. The
[50:11] minister was very open and said
[50:14] she was prepared, because there
[50:16] are a lot of resignations of
[50:18] elected officials in the past
[50:19] few months, since the election.
[50:21] And she said her service, they
[50:23] are open, willing to work with
[50:26] people as an accompaniment -- En
[50:30] compagnie des gens dans les
[50:32] conseils et les maires. So as a
[50:34] result of that, and a result of
[50:36] the comments we are giving about
[50:38] we are not working together and
[50:40] everything else, we decided to
[50:44] take that opportunity that she
[50:45] is given to us. It's not
[50:48] somebody from Qu?bec thinking --
[50:50] sticking their nose in our
[50:51] business. This is someone who
[50:52] has experience, Ministry of
[50:54] municipal affairs. It's not some
[50:56] reheating contractor looking for
[50:57] a profit. They will send a
[51:01] representative who knows the
[51:02] law, who know how things work in
[51:05] municipalities, to come and look
[51:06] at our situation and see if they
[51:08] can propose something or work
[51:11] together.. That is the whole
[51:12] thing. They are not coming here
[51:14] to check on us. It's not the
[51:17] gusto, and there's no
[51:18] trusteeship, there's no fraud,
[51:19] there's none of that. They are
[51:21] coming here to try to work with
[51:23] us and we have people with
[51:24] different experience and what
[51:25] have you to try to come up with
[51:27] some kind of an idea. So we
[51:30] thought it was, with all the
[51:32] criticism that we thought that
[51:34] was a positive move to go to the
[51:36] people that are probably the
[51:37] most objective and they have no
[51:41] -- Ils n'ont pas de parti pris.
[51:42] They are just there to offer the
[51:44] service. So we took her up on
[51:45] her offer, and that is why
[51:47] someone will be here to meet
[51:48] with us.
[51:50] >> And I could just add to that,
[51:52] we took -- we had a wonderful
[51:55] opportunity, having you here,
[51:58] Councillor Tremblay pointed out
[51:59] that last time, in fact, it's no
[52:00] different now than it has been
[52:02] under previous mandates and
[52:03] previous mayors, and there is a
[52:05] culture of this. And we have
[52:06] gone back and -- go back to the
[52:10] webcast, I encourage you all to
[52:11] do it, previous administrations,
[52:13] you will see the exact same
[52:14] behaviour, and sometimes worse.
[52:15] So I'm intrigued that it is all
[52:17] of a sudden dramatic now, when
[52:18] in fact it is not. It is a
[52:22] continuity. And you can find
[52:23] that out for yourselves. Call a
[52:26] debatable statement, go back,
[52:27] and I've said it again and again
[52:29] over again, go back and watch
[52:30] the webcasts. Go back to
[52:32] previous administrations. I
[52:34] happen to half of the town of
[52:39] around all, where it is far
[52:40] worse than. Here I've seen three
[52:42] or four council meetings from
[52:44] other parts of Qu?bec that are
[52:45] way worse than here. So you're
[52:46] right, it's always good to get
[52:48] help. But let's not get overly
[52:49] dramatic here. That would be my
[52:51] interpretation of that. Yes,
[52:53] there are dysfunctions. But
[52:55] overall, the city runs very
[52:56] well. And it's not a cause for a
[53:00] crisis. Sure, you can always
[53:01] improve things, but it's not a
[53:03] crisis, that's my take on this.
[53:07] So will that do it? Oh yes,
[53:11] sorry, sorry Miss duet. So
[53:17] offspring.
[53:22] >> Okay, I'm going to try not
[53:24] waste the -- I'm going to try
[53:27] and not waste over time. I just
[53:31] want to bring up an issue that I
[53:33] have had with the City. The
[53:37] light, the pedestrian high
[53:39] flashing lights on Saint John
[53:45] and over the 40, I reported to
[53:49] the city at the end of January
[53:51] that one was broken. They
[53:54] confirmed January 30th that it
[53:55] was broken, but it took them all
[53:59] until the beginning of May to
[54:01] actually fix it. And there are
[54:07] three other ones broken right
[54:11] now. I tested it yesterday
[54:14] night. My question is when will
[54:19] they be fixed? And how can the
[54:26] city improve so that there is
[54:30] not a several month delay in
[54:32] fixing a safety issue?
[54:34] >> Yeah. The one over the 40,
[54:36] are you talking the one where
[54:38] there is the exit, when you're
[54:40] going over and there is the -- I
[54:42] hate that one. That is -- that
[54:46] makes me cringe, I don't know
[54:47] how citizens get across that.
[54:49] Bear in mind --
[54:50] >> Even with the light.
[54:52] >> It's remarkable.
[54:54] >> Even with the light, some
[54:56] people just ignore it. But I
[54:57] would rather have it not.
[55:00] >> A lot of this is parts.
[55:03] Sadly, you are waiting to get a
[55:04] part to fix, something which in
[55:06] the meantime peoples lives are
[55:07] in danger. So, yes you could
[55:10] technically put police officers
[55:11] at every one of these spots, but
[55:12] that's kind of costly. But I
[55:14] hear what you are saying. Madam
[55:18] Verdun, is there any solution to
[55:20] flashing lights across
[55:22] sidewalks?
[55:23] >> The report that lights that
[55:26] --
[55:27] >> I reported it, but it took
[55:28] several months to do. The new
[55:30] ones that I discovered I did not
[55:33] report them.
[55:35] >> Report them.
[55:36] >> Can you report, them and I
[55:37] can answer you with the
[55:42] timeframe?
[55:43] >> When I asked earlier, they
[55:44] said they could not give me a
[55:45] timeframe.
[55:46] >> Yes, but report it tomorrow
[55:47] and we can answer, okay?
[55:51] >> Okay, that's. All
[55:52] >> Thanks, I appreciate. Linda
[55:56] --?
[56:05] >> Hello. On May 6th, sorry, May
[56:07] 5th, I sent a email to the City,
[56:10] and I'm not even received an
[56:13] acknowledgement a four seat of
[56:14] the email. And it concerns an
[56:16] online survey posted by Tara
[56:19] Stainforth to her Tara
[56:20] Stainforth city councillor
[56:21] Facebook group. She has put a
[56:25] survey, and this poll is not
[56:26] done by an organized plant
[56:28] company, it's a Google doc. So
[56:30] this is essentially a virtual
[56:32] word for assessor site where
[56:35] people can contribute. Tara
[56:38] asked for people to contribute
[56:39] personal information, including
[56:41] name, address, email address,
[56:43] and multi card number. And I
[56:45] wrote in the email that there's
[56:46] no promise of confidentiality
[56:48] for the information that she is
[56:49] collecting and this is
[56:50] completely unethical and I think
[56:52] it's also a contravention of
[56:55] privacy legislation. This
[56:58] legislation prohibits the
[56:59] collection and use of personal
[57:00] data with expressed consent. She
[57:04] should not be asking for multi
[57:06] card numbers. It is not a system
[57:08] that she has any administrative
[57:10] access to, nor do I think she
[57:12] has any legal right to ask for
[57:14] the numbers. And if this is, as
[57:19] I suspect, unlawful, what are
[57:22] you gonna do about it, and when?
[57:25] And are you going to report
[57:27] this? Because that would also be
[57:28] your obligation because she is
[57:30] part of your City organization.
[57:33] >> Are you asking --
[57:35] >> I am asking you if you know
[57:37] anything about this or if -- I
[57:39] did see you on the original
[57:41] email, or the second email I
[57:42] sent, because I did not receive
[57:44] a reply. And the I don't know if
[57:49] it got passed on to anyone else
[57:50] in the city. I sent it to the
[57:52] city clerk.
[57:55] >> You sent it to me and the
[57:56] graph?
[57:57] >> I sent it to them initially
[57:58] but then the graph a second time
[57:59] and I have CCU.
[58:01] >> Well, it's an interesting
[58:04] point. This is a month after the
[58:08] City logo was used on authorized
[58:10] in a local distribution, news
[58:14] distribution letter. So, I'm a
[58:15] little concerned about this kind
[58:16] of thing. I am not sure the
[58:20] laws. I'm not an expert on this,
[58:22] myself. It sounds to me, the
[58:24] multi cart element sounds a
[58:25] little intriguing. But I'm not a
[58:28] pro, I'm not an expert at this
[58:29] kind of thing. I will ask Madame
[58:31] Verdun or Mr. Scheer wired, do
[58:33] we have a city policy on this
[58:35] kind of thing? Is there any, are
[58:39] we, in any way, crossing lines
[58:41] in such an activity?
[58:43] >> Unfortunately, I didn't have
[58:44] the email that would refer, so I
[58:46] cannot answer right now. But we
[58:49] are under the law that all the
[58:52] law of municipal affairs, we
[58:53] have to respect.
[58:55] >> This would be not covered by
[58:56] a bylaw. This would be federal
[58:58] and provincial law.
[59:00] >> Well, Madam Thibault --
[59:01] >> There's also a duty to
[59:02] report.
[59:03] >> I think -- referred to the
[59:05] raw -- protection of personal
[59:06] rights
[59:07] La Loi d'acc?s ? l'information
[59:08] et la protection des
[59:09] renseignements personnels. >> I
[59:10] suppose that this is a lawyer
[59:11] referring to. Any of the privacy
[59:14] legislation, including the
[59:15] federal and the provincial.
[59:16] >> Okay, there is only one and
[59:18] that's the one I just stated.
[59:20] Mrs. Stainforth, I know for a
[59:22] fact that she posted that kind
[59:25] of survey. But since people, at
[59:28] first glance, I did not beat dig
[59:33] too deep in that question
[59:34] because I've been aware of your
[59:35] email regarding this issue. But
[59:38] Mrs. Stainforth, she has a right
[59:40] to publish that kind of survey.
[59:43] People are not forced to answer.
[59:45] They are not forced to provide
[59:48] them with, Mrs. Stainforth with
[59:51] the --
[59:52] >> If you could allow, Miss --
[59:54] >> It says, if they're going to
[59:56] answer the survey, it says
[59:58] obligatory field.
[59:59] >> They are not obliged to
[1:00:01] insert the survey --
[1:00:02] >> Miss duet, allow madame
[1:00:05] Thibault to finish answering
[1:00:06] before a subsequent question.
[1:00:08] >> I'm done.
[1:00:09] >> You're done? Okay, one more
[1:00:10] question --
[1:00:11] >> The legislation says that
[1:00:13] when you ask for the
[1:00:15] information, you must give
[1:00:19] express conditions that you're
[1:00:20] going to use it for. It does not
[1:00:22] say that oh, because you don't
[1:00:24] have to ask, and to the
[1:00:26] information, therefore, I don't
[1:00:28] have to tell you anything that
[1:00:29] I'm going to do with your
[1:00:30] information if you give it to
[1:00:31] me. Up front, the legislation
[1:00:33] says that you must put a wording
[1:00:39] that tells people exactly what
[1:00:41] you're going to do with the
[1:00:43] information they send you, and
[1:00:44] how you're going to protect
[1:00:45] their information. This did not
[1:00:47] happen, and so, there is no
[1:00:50] protection from them. Google
[1:00:52] offers no protection because
[1:00:53] this is not a Google survey.
[1:00:54] This is a bubble dock, which
[1:00:56] lives in the cloud and anyone
[1:00:58] that Harris Stainforth gives
[1:01:00] administrative access to can see
[1:01:01] everything on it. She now has
[1:01:04] information that she has made
[1:01:06] absolutely no promises about
[1:01:08] what she is going to do with it.
[1:01:10] So as far as I'm concerned, it's
[1:01:12] not legal and you have to do
[1:01:15] something about it.
[1:01:17] >> Councillor Stork, a citizen
[1:01:20] is asking a question. Thank you,
[1:01:22] Miss Duette.
[1:01:23] >> I have a second question
[1:01:24] because I'm not getting an
[1:01:25] answer to this one.
[1:01:26] >> Well, my answer is that I
[1:01:29] will look into this, I
[1:01:31] absolutely, I promised to look
[1:01:32] into this and find out the
[1:01:33] legalities. Once we know the
[1:01:35] legality, I mean, Madam people
[1:01:38] just answered. I will look into
[1:01:40] the legalities of it, but I'm
[1:01:41] not an expert in this kind of
[1:01:43] thing, but I will look into it.
[1:01:45] Yeah, I will let Councillor
[1:01:47] Stainforth comment or do you
[1:01:48] want to ask a second?
[1:01:49] >> I'm not interested in your
[1:01:52] motivation --
[1:01:53] >> Miss Duette, she does get to
[1:01:55] speak to the issue. --
[1:01:57] >> Miss, it does say please not
[1:01:58] the information -- in her people
[1:02:00] answer once only and for no
[1:02:02] other purpose. And I even wrote,
[1:02:05] some people are like, I don't
[1:02:06] have a multi-card. It doesn't
[1:02:08] require a multi-card number. You
[1:02:09] could've put all spaces in and
[1:02:10] that would've been fine. I have
[1:02:12] lots of people who wrote, I
[1:02:13] don't have a multi-card, 000. I
[1:02:16] even wrote on my Facebook post
[1:02:18] that you can just put 11111. It
[1:02:21] is fine. It's just that I wanted
[1:02:22] to make sure that no one was
[1:02:24] impersonating anyone else.
[1:02:27] >> That wording would not --
[1:02:29] >> Miss Duette, we won't get
[1:02:30] into a debate here. Do you have
[1:02:31] a second question?
[1:02:33] >> Concerning 13 Julian, the
[1:02:36] demolition of this building of
[1:02:37] heritage interest, probably
[1:02:39] would not have been happening if
[1:02:40] the City of Pointe-Claire had
[1:02:41] followed the directives from the
[1:02:42] province to update our
[1:02:44] demolition bylaw, to conform to
[1:02:45] the new law and land use and
[1:02:47] urban planning. Although we have
[1:02:49] until April, 2026 to update the
[1:02:52] entire demolition bylaw, we
[1:02:54] were, by April 1st, 2023, we
[1:02:56] were supposed to have updated
[1:03:00] the parts covering the heritage
[1:03:03] buildings, including the
[1:03:04] provisions consistent with the
[1:03:07] provisions in the new land use
[1:03:09] and urban planning act. And we
[1:03:10] have not done so. And the new
[1:03:13] plans for 13 Julian are almost
[1:03:16] identical to the first plans we
[1:03:19] submitted. Which don't conform
[1:03:21] to this -- in terms of the
[1:03:23] materials and the volume, and of
[1:03:24] course, fitting into the
[1:03:26] neighbourhood. And this style of
[1:03:29] the new proposed replacement
[1:03:34] project uses that -- that sort
[1:03:36] of lovely references the
[1:03:40] neighbourhood architectural
[1:03:42] styles. And this is coming up on
[1:03:46] item 17.5, and I'm urging the
[1:03:49] Council not to approve the
[1:03:52] monster house that they're
[1:03:54] planning to drop into this
[1:03:55] little neighbourhood. And to
[1:03:58] reject it and put them back to
[1:03:59] the drawing board, and have a
[1:04:01] policy that fits more coherently
[1:04:05] with the heritage neighbourhood
[1:04:08] that it isn't. And I guess when
[1:04:11] you vote on 17.5, I will have my
[1:04:15] answer. Thank you.
[1:04:16] >> Thank you. Paul Valois?
[1:04:38] >> Yeah, the first thing I just
[1:04:40] wanted to mention here is for
[1:04:43] the potable water pipe that's
[1:04:45] come out of the street there,
[1:04:47] continuing on St. Claire and I'm
[1:04:49] Victoria, right?
[1:04:50] >> Sorry, which water pipes?
[1:04:53] >> Potable water pipe, okay? So,
[1:04:56] it's going to keep going along
[1:04:57] until it gets to Victoria
[1:04:59] Avenue, right?
[1:05:01] >> Is it going through Victoria
[1:05:02] Avenue? Madame Verdun? -- To get
[1:05:05] to the plant.
[1:05:10] >> The one that they are doing
[1:05:11] right now -- Lakeview, that
[1:05:14] project?
[1:05:15] >> Yeah. Lakeside and are coming
[1:05:17] up --
[1:05:18] >> Yes, eventually -- will go up
[1:05:20] to Victoria.
[1:05:21] >> You will go to Victoria,
[1:05:23] right? You said yes?
[1:05:24] >> Yes.
[1:05:25] >> The problem is with the St.
[1:05:27] Claire Street part of it, it has
[1:05:32] no -- life at night and no
[1:05:34] sidewalks, so when you start
[1:05:35] putting a lot of construction
[1:05:36] stuff there, I mean, you've got
[1:05:38] something going on over there,
[1:05:41] -- I think at least what we
[1:05:43] could do is improve the lighting
[1:05:45] there because I know I walk my
[1:05:47] dog there, a black dog at night,
[1:05:49] and other people are walking,
[1:05:50] they have to step on peoples
[1:05:53] lawns so that you don't get run
[1:05:55] over from a car going one way
[1:05:56] and when the other way.
[1:05:58] >> Are there that many cars,
[1:06:00] sir? I mean, I've been along
[1:06:01] there.
[1:06:02] >> Yeah, especially these days.
[1:06:04] Cars -- very busy. People are
[1:06:06] going back and forth.
[1:06:08] >> Along St. Claire where the
[1:06:10] construction is now, I mean,
[1:06:12] it's very --
[1:06:13] >> I'm not talking about that.
[1:06:14] I'm talking when the pipe comes
[1:06:16] along their.
[1:06:17] >> Eventually.
[1:06:18] >> Yeah eventually -- right?
[1:06:20] >> Probably in time for the
[1:06:22] winter. Right? So, anyway, the
[1:06:25] other thing is --
[1:06:26] >> That is the City of Montr?al,
[1:06:28] by the way. Just so that you
[1:06:30] know.
[1:06:31] >> Well, it's actually on our
[1:06:32] property.
[1:06:33] >> Yes, it's on our property but
[1:06:34] it is the City of Montr?al, just
[1:06:35] so you know.
[1:06:36] >> Okay but the request I'm
[1:06:37] giving you there is at least, I
[1:06:40] know it's going to be, please
[1:06:41] get some decent lighting, okay?
[1:06:43] >> We will certainly look into
[1:06:45] that one.
[1:06:46] >> So, I'm not going to take 15
[1:06:48] minutes to go on with things,
[1:06:50] but I think what is going on at
[1:06:53] times here is that some people
[1:06:55] are giving sermons rather than
[1:06:57] asking questions and we've been
[1:06:59] averaging almost 15 minutes per
[1:07:01] person so far. So, I'm not going
[1:07:03] to end up with too many people
[1:07:08] -- out there. I would suggest,
[1:07:10] as I have in the past, put a
[1:07:13] little time limit on it.
[1:07:14] >> We have a 90 minute time
[1:07:16] limit, we are halfway through
[1:07:17] the list, sir. So, I suspect we
[1:07:20] are going to make it just fine
[1:07:22] >> Okay but seem it seems like a
[1:07:24] filibuster.
[1:07:25] >> I don't find that a
[1:07:26] filibuster. Have you ever seen a
[1:07:28] filibuster? Well, a filibuster
[1:07:30] is a lot worse than that and
[1:07:31] it's usually nonsensical. But
[1:07:34] citizens coming up, sometimes
[1:07:36] for their very first time, to a
[1:07:39] microphone to city hall, do not
[1:07:42] deserve to be hastened, or
[1:07:44] rushed, or scolded, or lectured
[1:07:45] on process. Once someone comes
[1:07:47] up for their first time, you
[1:07:48] give them a little bit of
[1:07:49] respect and you know, it is a
[1:07:52] fine line. But yeah, you can go
[1:07:54] boom, boom, boom. But do the
[1:07:56] citizens go home feeling like
[1:07:57] they've been listened to? This
[1:07:58] is the dilemma of running this
[1:08:00] process. The other extreme of
[1:08:01] this is far worse than this. The
[1:08:03] other extreme where nobody gets
[1:08:05] heard, but it all goes through
[1:08:06] look pretty quick machine,
[1:08:09] that's far less democratic.
[1:08:13] David Johnson, I certainly
[1:08:14] answered a question, sir. I've
[1:08:15] done my best at that, nobody
[1:08:17] will argue with that.
[1:08:27] >> David Johnson, district one.
[1:08:32] No doubt, there's a lot of
[1:08:34] politics behind what is going on
[1:08:35] now in Pointe-Claire. But with
[1:08:37] this motion, that was approved
[1:08:40] at the special meeting three
[1:08:41] weeks ago, task and mediator
[1:08:45] from the Qu?bec Ministry of
[1:08:46] municipal affairs to come in and
[1:08:48] help Pointe-Claire Council with
[1:08:50] the management of its public and
[1:08:52] private council meetings. I
[1:08:55] trust, though, that this is not
[1:08:58] going to be the mediators first
[1:09:01] dysfunction rodeo. And that he
[1:09:03] will be able, or she will be
[1:09:05] able, to separate operations
[1:09:07] from politics. And given the
[1:09:11] political divisions in
[1:09:12] Pointe-Claire here, I am
[1:09:14] thinking that it would help if
[1:09:16] the mediators findings are made
[1:09:20] public. Councillor Stork said,
[1:09:22] at that special meeting three
[1:09:23] weeks ago, that he would be
[1:09:25] happy to support public
[1:09:29] disclosure. It's possible that
[1:09:30] the mediator is going to
[1:09:32] conclude that the rules that
[1:09:34] Pointe-Claire has had in place
[1:09:37] since 2006 on how question
[1:09:40] period should be run are being
[1:09:41] ignored. Or selectively enforced
[1:09:44] by the mayor. From what I can
[1:09:47] see, in the last meeting in here
[1:09:50] tonight, and from what I
[1:09:51] experienced myself here a month
[1:09:54] ago, the mayor runs meetings
[1:09:55] with too heavy a political hand.
[1:09:58] Letting people who support him
[1:10:00] run on unchallenged. But
[1:10:04] shutting down people interviews
[1:10:05] he doesn't like. But this is my
[1:10:08] view, that is subjective. I
[1:10:10] understand that there are people
[1:10:11] who support the mayor that would
[1:10:12] have a different view. So, my
[1:10:16] question is really on an
[1:10:18] objective matter and it has to
[1:10:21] do with a clause in the
[1:10:24] audience. We heard applause here
[1:10:27] tonight, which is not allowed.
[1:10:28] We saw that the mayor didn't
[1:10:32] check, against applause. We saw
[1:10:35] last at the special meeting that
[1:10:38] every councillor made a short
[1:10:40] speech and was allowed to speak.
[1:10:47] Whether for or against the
[1:10:50] motion. But after the speech by
[1:10:52] one councillor, Councillor
[1:10:54] Tremblay, there was applause in
[1:10:56] the audience, and the mayor just
[1:10:59] let it pass. But applause is not
[1:11:04] permitted under the rules
[1:11:05] governing question period in
[1:11:07] Pointe-Claire, so my question
[1:11:08] is, as chair of the meeting,
[1:11:10] Mister Mayor, are you
[1:11:12] deliberately letting applause go
[1:11:15] unchecked, or was tonight and
[1:11:17] last week unfortunate and
[1:11:20] momentary lapse in judgment on
[1:11:21] your part?
[1:11:23] >> If you consider that a lapse
[1:11:24] in judgment, Mr. Johnston, I
[1:11:27] take that and I take exception
[1:11:29] at that. You think it's possible
[1:11:33] that the mediator is going to
[1:11:36] conclude blah, blah, blah. Well,
[1:11:38] I think it's possible the
[1:11:40] mediator is going to conclude
[1:11:41] that a very earnest, kind mayor
[1:11:44] has been treated rather
[1:11:45] shabbily. That could be a
[1:11:47] possible conclusion as well.
[1:11:48] Your possible conclusion is your
[1:11:50] possible conclusion and mine is
[1:11:51] my possible conclusion. Which
[1:11:53] renders yours and mine quite
[1:11:56] equal. To have a political hand
[1:11:59] for people who agree with me,
[1:12:02] that is beyond imagine
[1:12:06] ridiculous. I have sat and let
[1:12:08] people who disagree with me go
[1:12:10] on endlessly, and I have
[1:12:12] deliberately allowed people to
[1:12:13] disagree with me to go longer
[1:12:15] than people who agree with me.
[1:12:17] I've done that on purpose.
[1:12:19] Ladies and gentlemen, once
[1:12:20] again, if you want to see who is
[1:12:23] right or wrong on this, the
[1:12:24] transparency on this, please
[1:12:26] watch the webcast. You will see
[1:12:28] the people who disagree with me,
[1:12:29] in fact, usually get more time
[1:12:31] than people who do. As for, so
[1:12:35] my heavy political hand, I
[1:12:37] think, is highly suspect on Mr.
[1:12:39] Johnson's behalf. I think that's
[1:12:40] completely not true and all you
[1:12:41] have to do is watch. Finally, on
[1:12:45] applause, yes, people applauded
[1:12:48] Mr. Tremblay, you know? I've
[1:12:51] told people that a pause is not
[1:12:52] allowed. It was brief, it did
[1:12:54] not last very long. They did not
[1:12:56] applaud me, they did, actually.
[1:12:58] They started to but it stopped.
[1:13:01] What do you do if people
[1:13:03] applaud? I mean, do you
[1:13:05] reprimand them all and tell them
[1:13:06] all to go home? I mean, you can
[1:13:08] actually suggest, as I have
[1:13:09] done, you can suggest -- Mr.
[1:13:12] Johnson, I'm speaking, Mr.
[1:13:14] Johnston. Thank you, Mr.
[1:13:15] Johnston, I'm speaking, Mr.
[1:13:17] Johnson, thank you. The rules
[1:13:18] say we allow people to finish
[1:13:20] speaking before we interrupt.
[1:13:23] So, what happens is that
[1:13:27] applause is spontaneous and
[1:13:28] happens just like that. I can't
[1:13:30] anticipate it and I've told
[1:13:31] people not to applaud, okay? On
[1:13:33] numerous occasions. It happens.
[1:13:36] Well, do we not have Council
[1:13:37] meetings? Or do you suggest that
[1:13:39] people shouldn't applaud and
[1:13:42] maybe we might want to change
[1:13:43] that rule. Rules can often be
[1:13:46] changed over time and I think
[1:13:48] that's one that may be a prime
[1:13:50] candidate. So, hopefully that
[1:13:52] answers your question, Mr.
[1:13:53] Johnson.
[1:13:54] >> My follow-up question, with
[1:13:56] no preamble, is this. Why did
[1:13:59] you let the first two people
[1:14:02] from the audience who spoke
[1:14:04] against the motion at the
[1:14:05] special meeting come back a
[1:14:07] second time till the microphone?
[1:14:10] >> What are you talking about?
[1:14:11] >> At the end of question period
[1:14:12] at the last special meeting.
[1:14:13] >> At the last special meeting?
[1:14:15] Because they asked and asked the
[1:14:16] -- if it was allowed, I asked if
[1:14:18] that was allowed and I was told
[1:14:19] that it was. So, I allow them.
[1:14:22] If you watch, ladies and
[1:14:23] gentlemen, Mr. Johnson, I'm
[1:14:24] answering your question.
[1:14:25] >> Let me finish.
[1:14:26] >> Mr. Johnson, I'm asking your
[1:14:28] question, Mr. Johnson. Again,
[1:14:31] people are allowed to finish
[1:14:32] speaking, Mr. Johnson we had
[1:14:35] this discussion before, haven't
[1:14:37] we? What happened last time was
[1:14:40] that I was not sure myself
[1:14:41] whether the person could come up
[1:14:42] a second time, so I asked and
[1:14:44] you can watch me -- the truth is
[1:14:48] in the webcast. Okay? I asked,
[1:14:51] is he allowed to come back and
[1:14:54] ask a second question? Miss
[1:14:55] Weaver, are you motion rudely
[1:14:57] for any particular reason? Okay,
[1:14:59] your hand is waiving is making
[1:15:01] an interesting, had Eddie Howe,
[1:15:05] Mr. Johnson, the bottom line is
[1:15:07] that I asked what the rules were
[1:15:10] and I was told that the person
[1:15:11] could answer their second
[1:15:13] question. So, that is your
[1:15:15] second question, Mr. Johnson.
[1:15:16] >> Let me just find out one
[1:15:18] thing that you had said
[1:15:20] yourself, I've noticed that you
[1:15:21] look to the DG for guidance but
[1:15:23] did you forget --
[1:15:25] >> The greffe actually, not the
[1:15:27] DG.
[1:15:28] >> In October, 2022 meeting, the
[1:15:31] one after the chaotic -- that
[1:15:34] you said --
[1:15:35] >> You call the -- meeting
[1:15:37] chaotic? Okay, in your opinion,
[1:15:39] Mr. Johnson. Chaotic is a, Mr.
[1:15:42] Johnson, it's a pretty dramatic
[1:15:43] word.
[1:15:44] >> Let me just finish, let me
[1:15:45] just finish.
[1:15:46] >> Are you going somewhere with
[1:15:47] this?
[1:15:48] >> You said enough is enough.
[1:15:49] From now on in Pointe-Claire,
[1:15:50] and I quote, speakers will only
[1:15:51] be allowed to go to the
[1:15:53] microphone once. So, you created
[1:15:55] a discretionary rule of your
[1:15:58] own, that you broke three weeks
[1:16:00] ago.
[1:16:01] >> Okay, Mr. Johnson, I'm going
[1:16:02] to answer that question and
[1:16:03] questions are now done, okay?
[1:16:05] That is kind of clown like, I
[1:16:08] might add. The answer to your
[1:16:10] question is that it wasn't the
[1:16:12] regular agenda meeting. It was a
[1:16:13] special general meeting and
[1:16:15] there might have been different
[1:16:16] rules applied. As a first time
[1:16:18] mayor, I did not know if the
[1:16:20] regular general meeting rules
[1:16:22] applied also to the Special
[1:16:23] general meeting because we are
[1:16:24] dealing with a particular issue.
[1:16:26] So, I asked the graph if during
[1:16:30] a special general meeting,
[1:16:31] people could go up and ask a
[1:16:32] second question, which, in fact,
[1:16:34] they are allowed to do. Thank
[1:16:35] you for your question, sir.
[1:16:40] Janet Hannah.
[1:16:48] >> If I may, Mister Mayor, just
[1:16:50] before the questions. It will be
[1:16:52] a very short comment. I
[1:16:54] understand that respect goes
[1:16:56] both ways. It should, anyways.
[1:17:01] Don't you find Madam -- because
[1:17:08] she is on tape, dismissive
[1:17:11] comment, words, Councillor
[1:17:16] Stainforth it respectful?
[1:17:18] >> No, not exactly, Mr.
[1:17:20] Cousineau. Although Mr.
[1:17:22] Cousineau is asking a question
[1:17:23] from Council, which is not
[1:17:25] supposed to be done. But
[1:17:27] according to the rules. But I
[1:17:29] will answer it and say that Miss
[1:17:31] De Witt ask the question about
[1:17:34] whether people are allowed to do
[1:17:38] surveys, using certain
[1:17:40] technology. She's asking if it
[1:17:41] is allowed. She's asking a
[1:17:43] legitimate question. If the
[1:17:45] answer is yes, the answer is
[1:17:47] yes. If the answer is no, the
[1:17:49] answer is no. She asked a
[1:17:51] legitimate question of a citizen
[1:17:53] of Pointe-Claire, who is asked
[1:17:56] or who had a survey that was
[1:17:57] being asked to a lot of citizens
[1:17:59] and some I've heard quite a few
[1:18:01] citizens asking if it is legit.
[1:18:03] So, for her to ask whether
[1:18:05] that's a proper procedure is not
[1:18:08] rooted, it's a legitimate
[1:18:10] citizens question, in my
[1:18:11] opinion. Janet Hanna, yes, Miss
[1:18:14] Hannah, thank you for your
[1:18:15] patience.
[1:18:16] >> You're welcome, thank you.
[1:18:19] So, in tonight's meeting when
[1:18:21] you started out the meeting, you
[1:18:22] said that in 2023, there is a
[1:18:25] surplus of 24 million and the
[1:18:29] same year, you authorized the 24
[1:18:34] million dollar renovation of
[1:18:36] public works. In the budget,
[1:18:41] there is office supplies that
[1:18:43] was for 2023, June six, 2023.
[1:18:47] Office supplies for about
[1:18:50] $300,000. You are approving a
[1:18:54] change order in this meeting,
[1:18:58] 15.7, for the amount about
[1:19:01] 113,000 and some. So, my
[1:19:09] questions, there is a lot of
[1:19:10] money that's being spent and
[1:19:14] renovating one building for 24
[1:19:15] million a month, I don't know
[1:19:17] where it's at right now. Is it
[1:19:18] 35 million? Is it 30 million?
[1:19:22] Where are we at?
[1:19:25] >> The number, is that your
[1:19:26] first question?
[1:19:27] >> Yeah.
[1:19:28] >> The number that springs to
[1:19:29] mind is me 13, maybe it's less
[1:19:31] than that. Mr. sagging, do we
[1:19:33] know where we are at on the
[1:19:34] overall expenditure on public
[1:19:36] works project?
[1:19:39] >> Yeah, we would have to look.
[1:19:41] >> Yeah, it will go up
[1:19:44] incrementally as the building
[1:19:45] comes to completion. Councillor
[1:19:47] Stork?
[1:19:48] >> As it stands right now, if
[1:19:49] I'm not mistaken I'm pretty sure
[1:19:51] at 38% completion. And 2% of the
[1:19:55] budget.
[1:19:56] >> So, basically, you are
[1:20:00] donating money as well to
[1:20:01] nonprofit organizations. You're
[1:20:05] attending golf tournaments,
[1:20:06] you're attending evening balls
[1:20:10] to raise funds and raise money.
[1:20:15] The information is not clearly
[1:20:19] documented in on the website. We
[1:20:22] don't know what those nonprofit
[1:20:24] organizations are, how much
[1:20:26] money is going to each one, how
[1:20:28] they are run, by whom they are
[1:20:30] run. And it seems like a lot of
[1:20:34] our money is being squandered.
[1:20:38] We are paying a lot of taxes and
[1:20:39] so, there's a surplus of 24
[1:20:41] million and boom, the same year,
[1:20:44] there is a renovation of over 24
[1:20:48] million of a building. I mean, I
[1:20:49] don't know. Are we building a
[1:20:51] country on there? A city in
[1:20:52] there?
[1:20:54] >> Is that your second question?
[1:20:56] >> No! My question is that we
[1:20:58] need to have, we, the people of
[1:21:00] Pointe-Claire, need to know the
[1:21:02] details and need to actually be
[1:21:03] able to vote and agree on how
[1:21:07] our money is being spent. And I
[1:21:09] do not know how that works. And
[1:21:12] it seems like it's you and the
[1:21:14] councillors who have that power
[1:21:17] to decide on how our money is
[1:21:20] being spent. We don't
[1:21:22] necessarily agree. I personally
[1:21:23] don't see the benefit of a
[1:21:26] building being, having being
[1:21:30] renovated for $24 million being
[1:21:31] of any value to me, of any
[1:21:33] benefit to me, while the garbage
[1:21:36] is being collected only once
[1:21:37] every two weeks, and in the
[1:21:39] summer, it's only for two months
[1:21:41] that it's collected every week.
[1:21:43] So, if we've got dogs, and cats,
[1:21:45] and we've got children, and we
[1:21:46] better diapers, we've got to
[1:21:47] stay with the stinking bags of
[1:21:53] really of very, very smelly,
[1:21:56] dirty stuff, because the money
[1:21:59] is not being spent where we
[1:22:01] think it might be. It looks like
[1:22:05] there might be -- looks like the
[1:22:06] people of Pointe-Claire cannot
[1:22:08] vote on the budget and it seems
[1:22:11] like money is being spent
[1:22:13] without actually considering it.
[1:22:15] >> Miss Hannah, if I could cut
[1:22:17] you short very quickly. If you
[1:22:18] look at the piece of paper in
[1:22:19] your hand, everything
[1:22:22] expenditure is being authorized
[1:22:23] and passed in front of you in
[1:22:25] Council. And it's completely
[1:22:27] transparent. If you look at all
[1:22:28] the expenditures, what we do in
[1:22:29] these meetings is all our
[1:22:31] expenditures are public and we
[1:22:32] show them to you, and we vote on
[1:22:33] them. Every single one of them,
[1:22:35] that's what these meetings are
[1:22:36] for the most part. As for the
[1:22:38] public works project, you've had
[1:22:40] your questions, ma'am. As for
[1:22:42] the public works project, we had
[1:22:45] a special meeting for the, to
[1:22:48] authorize the public works
[1:22:49] project and we knew it was a
[1:22:50] large expenditure, and we had
[1:22:53] two people come to that meeting.
[1:22:57] To inquire about the public
[1:22:58] works project, which was a huge
[1:23:00] project and we were expecting a
[1:23:01] lot more questions on it, but
[1:23:03] for the bulk of the
[1:23:04] Pointe-Claire citizenry, they
[1:23:06] understand how good our public
[1:23:07] works are and this was necessary
[1:23:10] for us to be able to deliver our
[1:23:11] public works in house and we
[1:23:14] self-sufficient as a city, and I
[1:23:15] think for the most part, the
[1:23:17] Pointe-Claire citizenry accept
[1:23:18] that and are okay with that
[1:23:19] project, provided it does not
[1:23:22] overrun and cost. So, what can I
[1:23:25] tell you? Those are the answers
[1:23:26] to your question and you've had
[1:23:27] your two questions.
[1:23:28] >> I don't think so because when
[1:23:30] you --
[1:23:31] >> I don't want to debate with
[1:23:33] you. I don't want to debate with
[1:23:34] you. Do you have a question?
[1:23:36] Subsequent question.
[1:23:37] >> Even if we don't agree with
[1:23:39] an item over here, for example,
[1:23:40] I don't agree with a contract
[1:23:42] with the addition in point 15.7
[1:23:45] of approving the change order. I
[1:23:46] personally do not agree with it.
[1:23:47] The nonprofit organization
[1:23:50] amount that you want to donate
[1:23:52] $250,000, I don't agree with
[1:23:54] that because I don't see what
[1:23:56] benefit those nonprofit
[1:23:58] organizations are giving to the
[1:24:00] people. If all this money were
[1:24:01] to actually be in our pockets,
[1:24:03] and we would have more spending
[1:24:06] power, we would not need all of
[1:24:09] these.
[1:24:10] >> I will answer that one
[1:24:11] quickly and this is the last
[1:24:12] question. A lot of the beauty of
[1:24:15] what we do in municipal
[1:24:16] government and, this is one of
[1:24:17] the nice parts of the job, is
[1:24:19] that there are holes in the
[1:24:21] social safety network. That
[1:24:22] there are no organizations that
[1:24:24] could plug those holes. And this
[1:24:26] is where some incredibly
[1:24:28] selfless people do some
[1:24:30] incredible work for their
[1:24:31] communities. And the least we
[1:24:33] can do as cities, representative
[1:24:35] cities, and I know Jim Beis and
[1:24:36] a lot of my fellow mayors do
[1:24:38] this, exactly for this reason,
[1:24:40] we support them. The city gives
[1:24:42] a small amount, usually as a
[1:24:45] donation, but these are
[1:24:46] incredible organizations that
[1:24:47] are selflessly work to protect
[1:24:50] our help people in certain
[1:24:52] elements of society and they do
[1:24:53] it amazingly. You know, I can
[1:24:56] give you tons of them but, you
[1:24:58] know, it is an interesting, I
[1:25:01] find it's a sad question because
[1:25:03] it's remarkable what good these
[1:25:05] people do and we, as a city,
[1:25:07] should absolutely, 100%, support
[1:25:09] them and I will stand by that.
[1:25:13] Want to make you it's. Want to,
[1:25:16] did I say it right?
[1:25:18] >> Want to mid cabbage.
[1:25:20] >> It carriage, okay.
[1:25:21] >> Mister Mayor, councillors,
[1:25:23] ladies and gentlemen, I am a
[1:25:27] resident of point player since
[1:25:30] 43 years, and I've got to tell
[1:25:32] you, I've seen a lot of changes.
[1:25:34] When we bought our home, we
[1:25:37] bought it on paper. There was
[1:25:39] not even a street. It was a
[1:25:41] field. And since that time, the
[1:25:44] city has expanded, we've got
[1:25:47] Hymus Boulevard's condo alley.
[1:25:50] St. John's boulevard is busier
[1:25:53] than St. Catherine street
[1:25:56] downtown. But there is also been
[1:25:58] wonderful things. Your public
[1:25:59] works department has done a
[1:26:02] fabulous job on the bike paths,
[1:26:05] on Cartier Street, on the --
[1:26:10] >> I like Donegani the best.
[1:26:13] That's my favourite by Pat.
[1:26:14] >> I mentioned the bike path but
[1:26:16] I'm here today to talk about the
[1:26:20] windmill. Our cities symbol. The
[1:26:25] windmill was built in 1709, and
[1:26:29] it's one of the oldest windmills
[1:26:31] in all of Canada. It's really
[1:26:34] fallen into disrepair and it's
[1:26:36] really sad. In the beginning, it
[1:26:39] was used to grind grain, to
[1:26:43] middle green, and also, it was
[1:26:46] used for protection. In those
[1:26:48] days, the Iroquois were quite
[1:26:50] fierce and it was used for
[1:26:53] protection. So, in that
[1:26:56] windmill, we have our history.
[1:26:59] We have a green space. It is a
[1:27:03] treasure of our city. Now, if
[1:27:07] you consider people how they
[1:27:09] live, people travel. We go to
[1:27:10] Europe, we want to see the old
[1:27:13] ruins of Rome, this and that. In
[1:27:17] LaSalle, they have their
[1:27:18] windmill and they keep it in
[1:27:21] check. When things fall back,
[1:27:23] the city of Halifax is now
[1:27:26] excavating or trying to find the
[1:27:28] original foundations of their
[1:27:30] walled city. And here, we have
[1:27:34] something that's not only on all
[1:27:36] our stationary, everything, it
[1:27:39] is our symbol and I want to
[1:27:41] know, from the council, it's an
[1:27:45] urgency and I think it should be
[1:27:46] addressed. It seems that it has
[1:27:49] come up, let go, and it's
[1:27:52] something that, if we don't
[1:27:55] address it now, it'll go into
[1:27:58] disrepair. Heaven forbid it
[1:28:00] would get to the point that
[1:28:02] you'd say oh, we will have to
[1:28:03] tear it down. That should not
[1:28:05] even come into question. Our
[1:28:09] highest angels should prevail to
[1:28:11] keep that whole waterfront as a
[1:28:14] green space. I know that there
[1:28:17] is the convent issue, what to do
[1:28:20] with it, whether we repair the
[1:28:22] roof, if we repair the roof,
[1:28:24] then we could get it from the
[1:28:27] Montr?al, the archdiocese and
[1:28:29] use it for a cultural centre.
[1:28:32] There's another centre that we
[1:28:33] have, the Nobel logo Centre,
[1:28:35] that is in disrepair. Maybe
[1:28:37] leave that and go to that. So, I
[1:28:39] would like to know, I was
[1:28:43] assured by my councillor, Mr.
[1:28:44] Cousineau, that south of the 20,
[1:28:47] there would be no development,
[1:28:49] huge development. I want to make
[1:28:50] sure that the windmill would be
[1:28:56] repaired and if anything, it's
[1:28:59] for generations to go. For our
[1:29:02] future.
[1:29:03] >> Okay, well to answer your
[1:29:04] question, it is in disrepair and
[1:29:06] I toured it about two months
[1:29:08] ago, and some of the main
[1:29:10] structural beams underneath
[1:29:11] isn't very, very bad shape. And
[1:29:13] it's in desperate need of
[1:29:14] repair. The difference in the
[1:29:17] LaSalle example is that the one
[1:29:19] in Pointe-Claire is owned by the
[1:29:22] archdiocese, of course, LaSalle
[1:29:23] one is owned by the City. When
[1:29:24] it's owned by the City, it's
[1:29:25] easier. The problem with how
[1:29:27] hers is that because we don't
[1:29:29] own it, it seems irresponsible
[1:29:30] to spend money to repair it.
[1:29:32] Because we're not the owner.
[1:29:34] Now, I made a deal where I
[1:29:36] succumb to that and realize that
[1:29:38] as a city, we do have to do some
[1:29:40] investing and we do have to make
[1:29:41] a deal with the archdiocese, who
[1:29:43] own the actual windmill, and who
[1:29:45] have not repaired it adequately,
[1:29:47] as it should. So, some stimulus
[1:29:49] had to be done, so I made a deal
[1:29:51] acknowledging that fact. The
[1:29:53] deal is no longer in place, so
[1:29:54] that's where we stand on the
[1:29:56] windmill. I had a deal on the
[1:29:57] table, and it exists no more.
[1:29:59] It's not the accept a deal and
[1:30:00] what exists now is status quo,
[1:30:03] and a windmill that not been
[1:30:04] repaired. So, that's my answer
[1:30:06] to that.
[1:30:07] >> Okay, in that case, I would
[1:30:09] just like to make a comment that
[1:30:11] --
[1:30:12] >> Yes, yes.
[1:30:13] >> I don't know if you watch the
[1:30:15] earlier webcast where we did
[1:30:17] pass a resolution where this
[1:30:19] council had committed funds,
[1:30:21] because we really want that
[1:30:22] windmill repaired. And this has
[1:30:24] been an ongoing dossier for many
[1:30:27] years through many different
[1:30:29] mayors. At one point in my first
[1:30:31] term Council recently met, had a
[1:30:33] wonderful proposal that we could
[1:30:35] actually repurpose the convent.
[1:30:37] It was not approved by the
[1:30:39] owners of that time. We tried
[1:30:41] again. We came back again with
[1:30:44] this mandate to try to establish
[1:30:47] a new agreement. It was not
[1:30:49] working, so we had a windmill
[1:30:51] committee. So in order to
[1:30:53] protect the interests of our
[1:30:54] Pointe-Claire citizens, we said
[1:30:55] the best way it would give the
[1:30:57] bursary, stipend, I don't know
[1:30:59] the exact terminology, Grant,
[1:31:01] thank you, to the archdiocese to
[1:31:03] repair the windmill because it's
[1:31:04] so important to us. So that has
[1:31:06] already happened because we need
[1:31:08] to do what we can -- we all
[1:31:10] agree, we all love it. We don't
[1:31:12] own it, as the mayor said. But
[1:31:14] we have to also protect
[1:31:15] Pointe-Claire citizens interest
[1:31:17] in it as well. So that's why
[1:31:18] we've passed a resolution and I
[1:31:21] don't believe we have a
[1:31:22] follow-up, unfortunately. So
[1:31:24] this is a problem because we
[1:31:26] don't own it. We can't go in and
[1:31:27] fix the roof tomorrow.
[1:31:29] >> I realize that, but all of
[1:31:32] you have been elected on behalf
[1:31:34] of the people. So this is such
[1:31:37] an important heritage site and
[1:31:41] green space that I would like to
[1:31:43] just note that the Council would
[1:31:47] continue working together just
[1:31:48] to get it done. Talk to them.
[1:31:53] Negotiations, look, in Gaza and
[1:31:55] Israel, they're going on and on.
[1:31:56] So we've got to do the same kind
[1:31:58] of stuff.
[1:31:59] >> Do you have another question?
[1:32:00] >> No, that's it. I just hope
[1:32:03] that it would be done soon.
[1:32:05] Because every time we wait, it
[1:32:07] is going to cost more.
[1:32:09] >> I just want to also add to
[1:32:11] part of that agreement was we
[1:32:13] were going to come up with some
[1:32:15] amount of money, and the diocese
[1:32:17] was going to apply to the
[1:32:18] government for another part of
[1:32:19] the money. Unfortunately, that
[1:32:21] is still not been done. I don't
[1:32:24] want people to be misled that
[1:32:25] it's just our part to do. So
[1:32:28] part is also on the diocese to
[1:32:30] do their part as well to raise
[1:32:31] the other part of the money that
[1:32:32] was going to repair the male. So
[1:32:35] I want to make that clear. Thank
[1:32:37] you.
[1:32:38] >> And a year ago, the
[1:32:39] archdiocese was very happy with
[1:32:41] the deal on the table and was
[1:32:43] ready to apply to the provincial
[1:32:45] government.
[1:32:46] >> Mayor comment?
[1:32:47] >> It is no longer doing that.
[1:32:48] >> And a comment, sir, Mister
[1:32:50] Mayor?
[1:32:51] >> One more comment, Mr. Stork.
[1:32:53] >> Are you, there was an
[1:32:55] agreement by the Mayor and
[1:32:58] Council. Yes, there was an
[1:33:00] agreement that did not serve the
[1:33:02] best interests of the city in
[1:33:04] terms of access, in terms of
[1:33:07] multiple elements. That deal is
[1:33:11] unacceptable. Unacceptable
[1:33:13] majority of Council. Thank you.
[1:33:15] >> Okay, so I'm glad to say one
[1:33:16] last thing. That deal was
[1:33:18] initially accepted by Council
[1:33:19] and then rescinded. And that
[1:33:23] agreement, you can go back and
[1:33:24] look at it and compare that
[1:33:26] agreement, folks, that agreement
[1:33:28] from a year ago to the agreement
[1:33:30] that's in place, supposed
[1:33:31] funding project that is in place
[1:33:33] now. Compare that to. All of
[1:33:36] you, do it yourselves. If you
[1:33:37] don't believe us, go and look at
[1:33:39] the agreement I negotiated and
[1:33:40] then compare with one that
[1:33:41] exists now. The comparison
[1:33:45] proves everything. All right,
[1:33:48] the next question --
[1:33:49] >> If I may --
[1:33:50] >> Know, or moving to the next
[1:33:56] question. Olivia Winston?
[1:34:01] >> Hello, I'm Olivia. I wanted
[1:34:04] to speak about the therapy
[1:34:06] forest.
[1:34:07] >> Come closer.
[1:34:08] >> Sorry. So I'm really worried
[1:34:11] about climate change and I'm
[1:34:12] also worried for the
[1:34:14] consequences that it has on
[1:34:15] future generations. I have
[1:34:18] learned a lot about climate
[1:34:19] change in school, probably for
[1:34:20] the past seven years, and I know
[1:34:23] that they would not be teaching
[1:34:24] it to us if it was not a huge
[1:34:25] problem that people need to be
[1:34:27] more aware of. And that goes
[1:34:30] with deforestation as well. And
[1:34:32] I would like to thank the Mayor
[1:34:33] for understanding that and
[1:34:35] wanting to protect this forest.
[1:34:37] And with that, I would like to
[1:34:39] ask the council if you will
[1:34:41] support the mayor in protecting
[1:34:44] 100% of the forests. Thank you.
[1:34:51] >> Is anybody going to answer
[1:34:53] Olivia?
[1:34:57] >> She has the question, yes.
[1:34:59] >> She asked the question, she
[1:35:01] absolutely ask the question.
[1:35:02] >> I will make an attempt,
[1:35:04] Mister Mayor.
[1:35:05] >> Okay, thank you, Councillor
[1:35:07] Cousineau.
[1:35:08] >> Just like the previous
[1:35:09] question, there is a cost to
[1:35:13] everything. In our role is to
[1:35:15] protect the Pointe-Claire
[1:35:17] taxpayers. Now if you put any
[1:35:21] kind of argument about the
[1:35:25] windmill in the the facts or the
[1:35:29] information you have, I know for
[1:35:32] a fact that the City of
[1:35:35] Pointe-Claire, and it's
[1:35:36] documented since 1987, has been
[1:35:41] working on that. Imagine. So
[1:35:44] like they say, Rome has eternity
[1:35:49] on their side. Barry, there was
[1:35:56] due diligence, and it's the same
[1:35:59] in the forest. There is a
[1:36:00] balance. There is experts. I was
[1:36:02] listening to the lady saying
[1:36:03] that 100 year old tree is -- it
[1:36:09] pumps out more carbon then a
[1:36:12] small tree. There is -- pumps,
[1:36:21] well --
[1:36:22] >> Absorbed.
[1:36:23] >> Transforms gases into would.
[1:36:31] But at one point, let's say that
[1:36:33] a lifetime of the tree is 100
[1:36:38] years well the efficiency
[1:36:42] decreases, let's say, starting
[1:36:44] at eight years. So there is all
[1:36:46] kinds of scientific arguments,
[1:36:51] one way or the other. We do want
[1:36:53] to save as much tree as
[1:36:58] possible. It's just that the
[1:36:59] arguments being used or the
[1:37:05] means are not the same. Urban
[1:37:08] sprawl is a big problem. This
[1:37:14] site has been earmarked many
[1:37:17] many years ago. That is also
[1:37:20] documented, 1964, Mayor archers
[1:37:28] again, already had approved over
[1:37:30] project of one Island, one city,
[1:37:34] that Pointe-Claire, Anjou, and
[1:37:38] Ville-Marie would be, downtown
[1:37:44] Ville-Marie, and sub downtown,
[1:37:48] Anjou and Pointe-Claire. There
[1:37:50] is a bunch of arguments one way
[1:37:53] or the other. We are -- anyways.
[1:37:57] I am going to take my time. I am
[1:38:00] not going to argue science, the
[1:38:06] facts. And also like I said
[1:38:08] about a year ago, science put us
[1:38:10] in this mess. They are going to
[1:38:12] get us out of it.
[1:38:15] >> Mister Mayor, can I speak?
[1:38:17] >> Absolutely. Absolutely,
[1:38:20] Councillor Thorstad-Cullen.
[1:38:21] >> I just like to respond your
[1:38:22] question similar to the wind
[1:38:24] bill. I don't even remember when
[1:38:25] we passed it. We passed a
[1:38:27] resolution initially because
[1:38:29] there were a majority of us who
[1:38:31] felt that negotiating with
[1:38:33] Fairview organization could help
[1:38:35] to protect that forest as best
[1:38:37] as possible, as was stated
[1:38:40] earlier. You know, you build on
[1:38:41] the concrete, protect as much
[1:38:43] forest. I would have to say
[1:38:44] there is not one elected
[1:38:45] official here that does not want
[1:38:46] to protect as much as possible,
[1:38:48] 100%. That would be our ultimate
[1:38:50] goal. I love the Pollyanna,
[1:38:52] there are a Pollyanna ideas, we
[1:38:54] have a beautiful, park a little
[1:38:55] mini central park, a lot of
[1:38:58] wonderful ideas of what we could
[1:38:59] do. But as Councillor Stork
[1:39:01] alluded to earlier, it's about
[1:39:02] negotiation of the people who
[1:39:03] own it. So we have to be very
[1:39:05] aware and astute and do our
[1:39:07] best. I think everyone is
[1:39:08] fighting to do our best. I don't
[1:39:10] think maybe the perception is
[1:39:11] how people are fighting may not
[1:39:13] be well understood. But not one
[1:39:16] person here doesn't want to see
[1:39:17] that protected as much as
[1:39:19] possible. Though it has been
[1:39:21] alluded to, we are also our
[1:39:23] responsible to you who elected
[1:39:24] us to make these decisions. And
[1:39:26] we hear conflicting information.
[1:39:28] Don't raise our taxes. Don't
[1:39:29] give us more, don't charge us
[1:39:31] more, give us back money. There
[1:39:32] is a cost of reset tomorrow and
[1:39:34] said, oh, we are going to go to
[1:39:36] Facebook Villa. That's why Tara
[1:39:38] asked the question, are
[1:39:39] everyone, each one of their
[1:39:40] home, are you willing to pay
[1:39:42] $20,000? $10,000? $500? That's
[1:39:45] where our impetus was to try to
[1:39:47] really glean what the citizens
[1:39:49] want. Our desire for sure, I
[1:39:51] know it's not always about
[1:39:52] money, but at the end of the
[1:39:54] day, as an elected body, we have
[1:39:56] to work within the laws that we
[1:39:57] are allowed to work within. We
[1:39:58] cannot just say, oh, we want to
[1:40:00] do this. We have protected as
[1:40:01] much as we can. Every green
[1:40:03] space available to us was
[1:40:04] already protected, even prior to
[1:40:06] this administration, so that we
[1:40:08] could do our best to keep the
[1:40:10] green spaces. So we are looking
[1:40:11] at diversifying micro forests,
[1:40:14] looking at different to do it.
[1:40:15] And like I said, every single
[1:40:16] person here would love to see it
[1:40:18] protected. But it's not just
[1:40:20] saying, okay, yes, 100% we
[1:40:22] agree. Because we have to make
[1:40:24] the decisions to protect the
[1:40:25] citizens and their desires.
[1:40:27] Everyone's sure, no problem, the
[1:40:28] sky is the limit for the cost of
[1:40:30] what we are committed, that
[1:40:31] makes our lives easy. I just do
[1:40:33] not think that everyone that I
[1:40:35] represent would maybe have the
[1:40:37] same opinion. And it goes to
[1:40:38] what was stated earlier by Mrs.
[1:40:41] Hannah. She does not agree with
[1:40:42] some of the things she stated
[1:40:43] tonight, and she is entitled to
[1:40:44] that opinion. But our
[1:40:46] responsibilities to vote on the
[1:40:47] majority of what our citizens
[1:40:48] are telling us. Because we
[1:40:49] cannot just do popcorn style
[1:40:52] decision-making based on each
[1:40:53] person's personal opinion about
[1:40:54] a topic, who may or may not know
[1:40:56] all of the information. So it's
[1:40:58] challenging. We're working hard.
[1:41:00] But I guarantee you, every
[1:41:02] single person here is about
[1:41:03] green space. We want to do
[1:41:04] better at our sustainability. We
[1:41:06] want to look for those. But we
[1:41:07] need you to come along with us.
[1:41:09] You need to be open to change.
[1:41:11] We need to -- we cannot have
[1:41:13] garbage every single week,
[1:41:15] that's against the sustainable
[1:41:16] development practices. So it has
[1:41:18] to come in together and we can't
[1:41:19] keep pushing and pulling. We
[1:41:21] have to say, okay, we are
[1:41:22] committed to this, but what does
[1:41:23] that mean for each individual?
[1:41:25] And it means a lot of different
[1:41:26] changes for each of us as
[1:41:27] individuals and families,
[1:41:29] because we want the future for
[1:41:30] our kids. We all love that.
[1:41:32] Nobody's gonna say they don't
[1:41:33] want that. So we just really
[1:41:35] have to commit to it, but it
[1:41:36] takes everyone, and guess what,
[1:41:38] some people's ideals and their
[1:41:40] own personal approaches are not
[1:41:41] gonna be able to upheld with
[1:41:42] that. So those of the
[1:41:46] challenges. But I would say
[1:41:47] everyone here wants to 100
[1:41:48] protect everything as much as
[1:41:49] possible.
[1:41:50] >> Thank you.
[1:41:52] >> Mister Mayor --
[1:41:54] >> Councillor Tremblay?
[1:41:56] >> So I support working towards
[1:41:59] saving 100% of the natural
[1:42:00] space, the amount of green
[1:42:02] spaces and natural space. Having
[1:42:05] grown up here, I can assure you
[1:42:07] that many of the natural spaces
[1:42:08] we did have available are gone.
[1:42:10] We are down to maybe a few, if
[1:42:13] you exclude terracotta, we are
[1:42:15] down to the Fairview forests and
[1:42:17] the woods in Val awe. There is
[1:42:19] not very much left. There are
[1:42:23] smatterings of green here and
[1:42:24] there, et cetera. But there is
[1:42:26] nothing left like that
[1:42:27] particular forest at the moment.
[1:42:29] It is a complex case. There is
[1:42:31] no doubt that it's complex. And
[1:42:33] these things are going to
[1:42:34] continue to get more and more
[1:42:36] complex. And we need to be able
[1:42:37] to start somewhere. And this is
[1:42:41] a excellent example of where we
[1:42:42] can start working towards
[1:42:45] getting an agreement together,
[1:42:47] again, the word I use before it
[1:42:49] was the intention, the movement
[1:42:51] towards that solution, which
[1:42:53] means working with the
[1:42:54] corporate, working with other
[1:42:55] government levels, working as a
[1:42:58] group towards wanting to do
[1:43:00] that. No ifs, ands, or buts. If
[1:43:03] the commitment is made to saving
[1:43:06] 100% of the forest with the
[1:43:08] intention of doing that, I am
[1:43:11] 100% convinced they'll be
[1:43:12] creative solutions put to the
[1:43:15] table. No one asks. There was no
[1:43:17] survey asked about
[1:43:20] Olive-Urquhart when we purchase.
[1:43:21] That there was no survey about
[1:43:22] public works and the rest of it.
[1:43:25] But the treatment that we take
[1:43:27] on natural spaces through is
[1:43:29] absolutely crazy. So we have to
[1:43:33] start to view these areas as
[1:43:34] assets for us. We are here not
[1:43:37] only to make financial
[1:43:39] decisions, but we will have to
[1:43:40] make sure that we are respectful
[1:43:42] of the health of other living
[1:43:44] things, respectful of the health
[1:43:45] and safety of people who live in
[1:43:47] this city. And it includes doing
[1:43:49] these sorts of things going
[1:43:51] forward. So this is something
[1:43:53] that I continually try to work
[1:43:55] with within Council, is to
[1:43:58] create some form of momentum,
[1:43:59] which means structuring together
[1:44:00] different ideas, different
[1:44:02] financial practices, and trying.
[1:44:04] And if we fail at that, we try
[1:44:07] again. Because I can't help but
[1:44:09] see that almost every corporate
[1:44:11] web page that I'm looking at
[1:44:13] today, they have an
[1:44:15] environmental section where they
[1:44:17] are committed to saving things
[1:44:18] and working with people and
[1:44:19] doing the right thing. The right
[1:44:20] thing has arrived. And we need
[1:44:21] to be able to do that today to
[1:44:23] work together. And in fact, if
[1:44:25] we did do that, we could be
[1:44:26] looking at a development and
[1:44:28] that particular area. The forest
[1:44:31] is known in urban speak as
[1:44:37] MU-to, the Fairview area is
[1:44:39] MU-one. We are looking at is
[1:44:40] example that can used in other
[1:44:41] cities that took the respect of
[1:44:43] the natural side of the
[1:44:44] developmental site to be able to
[1:44:45] fuse the two together. So thank
[1:44:48] you for your question.
[1:44:52] >> Just as a concluding point,
[1:44:54] or survival is more important
[1:44:56] than balancing a budget.
[1:45:03] >> Susan Weaver?
[1:45:05] >> One minutes left, Mister
[1:45:08] Mayor.
[1:45:09] >> One minute? Okay.
[1:45:25] >>
[1:45:26] , -- You said I got information
[1:45:29] from internal caucus meeting.
[1:45:31] Exact quote, newspapers, funding
[1:45:33] of a newspaper. So I went back
[1:45:35] and looked at council meetings.
[1:45:37] As you said, they are taped and
[1:45:39] filmed. Here's the timeline.
[1:45:42] July 2022, Councillor Cowan read
[1:45:46] a statement about the caucus
[1:45:47] meeting. July 31st, 2022, I sent
[1:45:51] in an application form for
[1:45:53] access to information,
[1:45:55] requesting the minutes. Villa.
[1:45:58] And I double checked myself,
[1:46:00] thereby giving you the benefit
[1:46:02] of the doubt. I received from
[1:46:04] the city limits with the mayor's
[1:46:08] remarks, which for $5,000 in
[1:46:10] publication to Pointe-Claire
[1:46:12] journal, rejected by all
[1:46:14] councils. Now, I have that here,
[1:46:17] here it is. And August 16th,
[1:46:21] 2022, the council meeting, I
[1:46:24] mentioned it and so did many
[1:46:25] other citizens. You like to say
[1:46:28] that you are the first time
[1:46:30] mayor but it is common knowledge
[1:46:32] that one can have access to
[1:46:33] information at all levels of
[1:46:35] government, and you should know
[1:46:37] that. Again, you made up a story
[1:46:39] to protect yourself and to
[1:46:41] backup a false accusation. So my
[1:46:44] question is, now if you'd like
[1:46:46] the problem to go away, would
[1:46:48] you apologize to all whom you
[1:46:50] accused?
[1:46:51] >> Ms. Weaver, I've already
[1:46:53] spoken to this, and this is
[1:46:54] asked and answered about three
[1:46:56] times. But to go back to the
[1:46:57] notes on the Mayor's remark, it
[1:46:59] is weaver, you ask your
[1:47:03] question. Time is over, okay.
[1:47:06] You quoted a remark made by me
[1:47:09] that in fact was not made by me.
[1:47:13] And the comment that was made by
[1:47:15] me through access actually said
[1:47:17] $5,000 refuted. It wasn't pay
[1:47:21] him and make him go away. You
[1:47:22] actually quoted the wrong
[1:47:25] comment, which suggests to me
[1:47:26] that you have inside knowledge.
[1:47:28] >> What was the comment?
[1:47:29] >> We've asked and answered this
[1:47:31] already, Miss Weaver. Miss
[1:47:32] Weaver, we've asked and answered
[1:47:33] this already. Thank you, is
[1:47:36] weaver. Thank you, Miss Weaver.
[1:47:37] >> And what was the comment?
[1:47:38] >> Thank you, Miss Weaver. I
[1:47:40] just read it to you. We can
[1:47:42] watch it on the webcast
[1:47:43] tomorrow.
[1:47:44] >> I watch the webcast, and I
[1:47:45] thought all -- the
[1:47:46] >> Miss Weaver, Miss Weaver,
[1:47:48] thank you Miss Weaver.
[1:47:49] >> I read all the application,
[1:47:50] so before you speak out in the
[1:47:52] newspaper, you better --
[1:47:53] >> Thank, you Miss Huber. So
[1:47:57] we've run out of time,
[1:47:58] unfortunately. Okay. And that's
[1:48:01] it. And let me point out that
[1:48:04] the duration, a lot of the
[1:48:05] duration of the meeting was
[1:48:07] carried by councillors remarks.
[1:48:09] And there were councillor spoke
[1:48:10] to a lot of the questions.
[1:48:12] Please bear that in mind. I
[1:48:14] know, I know. And I found a lot
[1:48:16] of them quite lengthy. So where
[1:48:18] do you draw the line on all
[1:48:20] these folks? Just letting you
[1:48:22] know, the Mayor's dilemma is a
[1:48:25] tricky one. Okay, let's continue
[1:48:27] with the agenda.
[1:48:32] >> 5.1 Notice of motion and
[1:48:33] filing of a draft By-law on the
[1:48:34] use of drinking water. The main
[1:48:35] objective of this bylaws to
[1:48:36] govern the use of drinking water
[1:48:37] where the purpose of preserving
[1:48:38] the quality and quantity of the
[1:48:40] Resource. Among other things, it
[1:48:42] covers connections and the main
[1:48:43] ways in which people use water,
[1:48:45] such as water and filling
[1:48:47] swimming pools. 5.2 Avis de
[1:48:50] motion et d?p?t d'un projet de
[1:48:51] R?glement divisant le territoire
[1:48:52] de la ville de Pointe-Claire en
[1:48:53] districts ?lectoraux. L'ann?e
[1:48:55] qui pr?c?de l'ann?e d'une
[1:48:57] ?lection g?n?rale, le conseil
[1:48:58] doit s'assurer que le nombre
[1:48:59] d'?lecteurs par district
[1:49:01] respectent les ratios pr?vus ?
[1:49:02] la Loi sur les ?lections et les
[1:49:03] r?f?rendums. Apr?s r?vision,
[1:49:05] trois districts ne respecte plus
[1:49:06] les ratios, ? savoir les
[1:49:09] districts quatre, cinq et six.
[1:49:11] Ces trois districts ont d? ?tre
[1:49:13] rediviser afin de respecter la
[1:49:14] loi. Un plan sera publi? sur le
[1:49:15] site Web de la ville au cours
[1:49:16] des prochains jours pour
[1:49:18] illustrer les changements. Les
[1:49:20] citoyens disposent d'un d?lai de
[1:49:21] 15 jours pour s'opposer. 5.3
[1:49:25] Notice of motion and filing of a
[1:49:26] draft by-law amending By-law
[1:49:29] PC-2962 decreeing the exigibles
[1:49:30] tariffs for the financing of
[1:49:31] properties, services and
[1:49:32] activities offered by the City
[1:49:33] of Pointe-Claire, for fiscal
[1:49:34] year 2024. The bylaw is amended
[1:49:37] to add a corporate rate for
[1:49:39] memberships of ten or more
[1:49:41] employees at the Olive-Urquhart
[1:49:42] Sports Centre.
[1:49:43] 5.4 Avis de motion et d?p?t d'un
[1:49:44] projet de R?glement modifiant le
[1:49:45] r?glement PC-2957 sur les
[1:49:48] Projets particuliers de
[1:49:49] construction, de modification ou
[1:49:50] d'occupation d'un immeuble
[1:49:52] (PPCMOI)
[1:49:53] . Il y a lieu de modifier le
[1:49:58] r?glement PC-2957 intitul?
[1:49:59] projet particulier de
[1:50:00] construction, de modification ou
[1:50:02] d'occupation de immeuble
[1:50:03] pourrait trancher l'article
[1:50:07] 1.3.4 de
[1:50:08] (---)
[1:50:09] la tarification. Ce r?glement a
[1:50:10] ?t?
[1:50:11] (---)
[1:50:12] r?glement? ces 29 62, quels
[1:50:13] r?glements sur les tarifs
[1:50:14] municipaux, lequel est
[1:50:15] r?guli?rement modifi?. >> Who
[1:50:17] moved these notices of notion
[1:50:18] from 5.1 to 5.4?
[1:50:22] >> -- District to.
[1:50:23] >> 5.5, adoption of draft bylaw
[1:50:27] dividing the city of municipal
[1:50:29] districts.
[1:50:31] - 5.6 Adoption d'un projet de
[1:50:32] R?glement modifiant le r?glement
[1:50:33] PC-2957 sur les Projets
[1:50:34] particuliers de construction, de
[1:50:35] modification ou d'occupation
[1:50:36] d'un immeuble
[1:50:37] (PPCMOI)
[1:50:38] .
[1:50:41] - Pour 5,5 et 5,6.
[1:50:43] Do I have a mover?
[1:50:44] - Oui, Monsieur le Maire..
[1:50:45] Bruno Tremblay, Seigniory. >>
[1:50:47] Seconder?
[1:50:49] >>, Brett Cowan, district eight.
[1:50:51] - Merci. >> Received. 6.1
[1:50:56] Authorize the City of
[1:50:57] Pointe-Claire to lend equipment
[1:50:58] to the Teresa Dellar Palliative
[1:50:59] Care Residence for the Course
[1:51:00] pour la compassion. The
[1:51:01] fund-raiser event, the Course
[1:51:03] pour la compassion will be held
[1:51:04] incident 21st, 2024, starting in
[1:51:06] Valois park. For the purpose of
[1:51:07] -- the palliative care residence
[1:51:09] has requested the City of
[1:51:11] Pointe-Claire land the
[1:51:12] equipment. 6.2 Autoriser la
[1:51:13] ville de Pointe-Claire ? pr?ter
[1:51:14] des ?quipements aux
[1:51:15] organisateurs du Tournoi de
[1:51:16] soccer s?nior Coach Phil.
[1:51:19] L'?v?nement lev?e le fonds du
[1:51:20] tournoi de soccer senior coach
[1:51:21] Phil, en collaboration avec
[1:51:23] soccer Pointe-Claire, et aux
[1:51:24] profits exclusifs de la soci?t?
[1:51:26] de la SLA du Qu?bec, aura lieu
[1:51:28] le huit et 9 juin 2024 dans le
[1:51:31] parc Terra-Cotta.
[1:51:34] - Pour 6,1 6,2. Do I have a
[1:51:35] mover?
[1:51:39] >> And seconder?
[1:51:41] >> Since the Homan, district
[1:51:44] five.
[1:51:45] >> All in favour?
[1:51:48] >> 6.3 Authorize the City of
[1:51:49] Pointe-Claire to lend equipment
[1:51:50] to the West Island Citizen
[1:51:52] Advocacy for The Garden Tour
[1:51:53] event. The event the garden to
[1:51:56] organize and for the benefit of
[1:51:57] the West Island citizen advocacy
[1:51:58] will be held on June 1st, 2024,
[1:52:00] at 152 Concord Crescent Avenue
[1:52:03] in Pointe-Claire.
[1:52:07] - 6.4 Autoriser la ville de
[1:52:08] Pointe-Claire ? pr?ter des
[1:52:09] ?quipements ? la Soci?t?
[1:52:10] d'horticulture de Pointe-Claire
[1:52:11] ainsi qu'un don de 12 plantes
[1:52:13] pour leur vente de plante
[1:52:14] annuelle. Une vente de plantes
[1:52:16] organis?es au profit de la
[1:52:17] soci?t? d'horticulture de
[1:52:19] Pointe-Claire aura lieu le 25
[1:52:20] mai 2024 dans le stationnement
[1:52:22] de la Plaza Pointe-Claire.
[1:52:26] >> 6.5 Grant financial support
[1:52:27] to various non-profit
[1:52:28] organizations for a total amount
[1:52:29] of $ 157,375. Monetary and non
[1:52:34] monetary donations are made to
[1:52:35] organizations that provide
[1:52:36] services to the citizens of
[1:52:39] Pointe-Claire.
[1:52:40] >> For 6.3 to 6.5, do I have a
[1:52:43] mover?
[1:52:45] >> And seconder?
[1:52:48] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,
[1:52:49] district three.
[1:52:50] >> All in favour?
[1:52:51] >> Received.
[1:52:53] - C'est clair qu'un, imposer le
[1:52:58] proc?s-verbal de la r?union du
[1:53:00] 22 f?vrier 2024 du Comit?
[1:53:01] consultatif de la Biblioth?que
[1:53:02] de Pointe-Claire.
[1:53:03] >> 7.2 File the minutes of the
[1:53:04] February 28, 2024, meeting of
[1:53:05] the Youth Advisory Board.. 7.3
[1:53:06] D?poser le proc?s-verbal de la
[1:53:07] r?union du 27 mars 2024 du
[1:53:08] Comit? consultatif de Stewart
[1:53:09] Hall.
[1:53:13] 7.4 Appoint a replacement member
[1:53:14] of the Canoe Kayak Club Inc. It
[1:53:16] was recommended to propose a
[1:53:18] nomination of Madame Catharine
[1:53:19] diverse as a board member from
[1:53:20] the eighth, 2024, to December
[1:53:23] 31st, 2025.
[1:53:26] - 7.5 Nommer de nouveaux membres
[1:53:27] et renouveler les mandats des
[1:53:28] membres existants au sein du
[1:53:29] Comit? consultatif sur
[1:53:30] l'environnement et le
[1:53:31] d?veloppement durable. Le comit?
[1:53:32] recommande le renouvellement des
[1:53:33] mandats de monsieur Gary Peter
[1:53:34] et madame Patricia Bovet,
[1:53:37] citoyens ayant un droit de vote,
[1:53:39] pour des mandats de 2 ans, soit
[1:53:40] du 30 avril 2024 au 30 avril
[1:53:43] 2026. Le comit? recommande aussi
[1:53:44] la nomination de deux employ?s
[1:53:46] sans droit de vote, ce soir
[1:53:47] madame Allison surveiller et
[1:53:49] monsieur Gilles Girouard.
[1:53:51] - Pour 7,4 et 7,5. >>?
[1:53:57] >> Cynthia Homan,.
[1:53:59] >> Eric Stork,.
[1:54:02] >> All countries?
[1:54:06] >> 9.1 Adopt the Parks and Green
[1:54:07] Spaces Plan. The plan presents a
[1:54:10] portrait of the city's park and
[1:54:11] to find them in different
[1:54:12] categories according to the
[1:54:13] characteristics of each one. The
[1:54:14] park inventory reflects the
[1:54:15] coverage of the territory by
[1:54:17] district. The plan also presents
[1:54:19] a portrait of sports and leisure
[1:54:21] facility and outlines current
[1:54:23] trends in sports and recreation
[1:54:25] element infrastructure.
[1:54:27] - 9.2 Se pr?valoir de l'option
[1:54:28] de renouvellement pr?vue au
[1:54:29] contrat intervenu avec BL?
[1:54:30] CREATIVE, pour l'ann?e 2025, au
[1:54:32] montant de 40 824,17 $, taxes
[1:54:34] incluses, pour le d?veloppement,
[1:54:36] la mise ? jour et l'entretien du
[1:54:38] site Web de la Ville. Compte
[1:54:40] tenu des difficult?s li?es ? la
[1:54:42] maintenance et aux mises ? jour
[1:54:43] du syst?me, les d?penses pour
[1:54:48] l'ann?e 2024 seront sup?rieures
[1:54:50] aux montants d?j? pr?vus. Il
[1:54:51] devient n?cessaire de nous
[1:54:52] pr?valoir d?s maintenant de
[1:54:53] l'option de renouvellement
[1:54:54] pr?vue en 2025 au montant de 40
[1:54:57] 824,17 $, afin de permettre le
[1:55:00] paiement des factures pour
[1:55:01] l'ann?e en cours. Un appel
[1:55:02] d'offres est pr?sentement en
[1:55:03] cours pour le d?veloppement du
[1:55:04] nouveau site Web.
[1:55:07] >> For 9.1 to 9.2, do I have a
[1:55:10] mover?
[1:55:11] >> I will move on 9.1, but
[1:55:12] because of the voting pattern, I
[1:55:14] think -- a 9.2, so I moved night
[1:55:17] by one.
[1:55:18] >> Do have a seconder for 9.1?
[1:55:21] >> Seconded by Tara Stainforth,
[1:55:22] district four.
[1:55:23] >> All in favour?
[1:55:27] >> What's that, Mr. Cousineau?
[1:55:29] >> I have a comment, because I
[1:55:30] will be voting against it. I
[1:55:31] don't like the part where the
[1:55:36] shorelines, the way the
[1:55:37] shorelines are being treated
[1:55:38] right now. So I will be voting
[1:55:41] against. Thank you.
[1:55:43] >> Okay. So for 9.1, do I have a
[1:55:47] mover? Moved and seconded, okay,
[1:55:50] all in favour? And against?
[1:55:55] - Parfait.
[1:55:56] - 9,2.
[1:55:57] >> Brent Cowan, district eight,
[1:55:58] I move 9.2.
[1:56:00] >> And seconder?
[1:56:01] >> Seconded by Tara Stainforth,
[1:56:03] district four.
[1:56:04] >> All in favour?
[1:56:06] - Merci. >> 10.1 File the list
[1:56:09] of budget amendments and the
[1:56:11] register of cheques for the
[1:56:12] period of March 25, 2024, to
[1:56:13] April 28, 2024.
[1:56:17] - 10.2 D?poser le rapport
[1:56:18] financier 2023 et le rapport du
[1:56:19] v?rificateur externe pour
[1:56:21] l'exercice financier 2023, ainsi
[1:56:22] que d'en autoriser la
[1:56:23] publication sur le site web de
[1:56:24] la Ville. >> 10.3 Authorize the
[1:56:29] Treasurer to proceed with the
[1:56:30] assignment of the 2023 surplus.
[1:56:32] The surplus for fiscal year 2023
[1:56:35] being $23,988,633 is here the
[1:56:41] allocation recommendation,
[1:56:43] recommendations, sorry, there
[1:56:44] are three, a balance of 50
[1:56:46] million allocated to the reserve
[1:56:47] for the payment of refinancing
[1:56:49] schedule for 2026. There is also
[1:56:52] a recommendation considering
[1:56:53] there is no balance allocated to
[1:56:54] working capital if the balance
[1:56:56] of the fund is currently
[1:56:57] sufficient to ensure the
[1:56:58] financing of various projects
[1:57:00] that will appear on the future
[1:57:01] capital investment plan. And
[1:57:03] there are different assignments
[1:57:05] to specific projects.
[1:57:07] - Pour 10,3. Do I have a mover?
[1:57:10] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.
[1:57:11] >> And seconder?
[1:57:14] >> Tara Stainforth, district
[1:57:15] four.
[1:57:16] >> All in favour?
[1:57:18] - Merci.
[1:57:20] - 11.1 Autoriser la Ville de
[1:57:21] Pointe-Claire ? participer au
[1:57:22] regroupement d'achat commun de
[1:57:23] produits d'assurances pour les
[1:57:24] cyber-risques. La demande
[1:57:25] d'autorisation est pour la
[1:57:26] signature d'une nouvelle entente
[1:57:28] d'une dur?e de 50, soit du 1er
[1:57:30] juillet 2024 au 1er juillet
[1:57:32] 2029. C'est entendu parler aux
[1:57:35] municipalit?s qui font partie du
[1:57:36] regroupement d'obtenir des
[1:57:37] soumissions communes, afin
[1:57:38] d'acheter des produits
[1:57:39] d'assurance pour les
[1:57:40] cyber-risques ? meilleur co?t.
[1:57:42] 11.2 Approve the transfer of lot
[1:57:44] 5 491 751 of the Cadastre of
[1:57:46] Qu?bec for municipal
[1:57:47] infrastructure purposes. This
[1:57:48] lot is located at 2048 sources
[1:57:53] Beaufort and forms the corn with
[1:57:54] Hymus Boulevard. The city plans
[1:57:56] to redevelop the -- as part of
[1:57:58] the station for the REM that
[1:57:59] transfers free of charge.
[1:58:02] - 11.3 Ordonner ? la greffi?re
[1:58:03] ou toute autre personne mandat?e
[1:58:05] par celle-ci de vendre ?
[1:58:06] l'ench?re publique les immeubles
[1:58:07] indiqu?s ? l'?tat dress? par le
[1:58:08] tr?sorier et sur lesquels des
[1:58:11] taxes impos?es n'ont pas ?t?
[1:58:12] pay?es en tout ou en partie.
[1:58:14] Conform?ment ? la loi et ? la
[1:58:15] politique de perception des
[1:58:16] taxes et de recouvrement des
[1:58:18] arr?rages de taxes, la Ville
[1:58:20] entreprend, par la pr?sente
[1:58:21] r?solution, la proc?dure de
[1:58:23] recouvrement aupr?s des
[1:58:24] propri?taires en d?faut de payer
[1:58:25] des montants... les montants dus
[1:58:28] depuis le 30 septembre 2023 ou
[1:58:30] ant?rieures. La vente aux
[1:58:31] ench?res est pr?vu le 27 juin
[1:58:33] 2024 ? 9 heures. Tu t'immeubles
[1:58:35] pour lesquels des taxes n'auront
[1:58:37] pas ?t? pay?es en tout ou en
[1:58:38] partie ? cette date pourront y
[1:58:40] ?tre vendus.
[1:58:53] >> It's been a long day, I start
[1:58:54] work at seven something. Tara
[1:58:56] Stainforth, district four.
[1:58:57] >> All in favour?
[1:58:59] - Merci. >> 12.1 File the list
[1:59:01] of delegated staff changes for
[1:59:02] the month of May 2024.
[1:59:07] - 12.2 Approuver la liste des
[1:59:08] changements au personnel par
[1:59:09] d?cisions non d?l?gu?es au 7 mai
[1:59:10] 2024.
[1:59:12] - Pour 12,2. To have a mover?
[1:59:15] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.
[1:59:16] >> And seconder?
[1:59:18] >> Tara Stainforth, district
[1:59:19] four.
[1:59:20] >> All in favour?
[1:59:24] >> 14.1 Award a contract for the
[1:59:25] repair of unistone sidewalks, to
[1:59:27] 9042-0845 QU?BEC INC. Also known
[1:59:31] as MARIO C. ET FILS for the 2024
[1:59:33] season, for a total amount of $
[1:59:37] 27,938.93, taxes included, with
[1:59:38] one optional season. The repair
[1:59:40] of the unit stone sidewalks
[1:59:42] mostly in the two villages
[1:59:43] ensures there are safe for
[1:59:45] pedestrians as well as providing
[1:59:47] durability and --
[1:59:49] - 14.2 Octroyer un contrat pour
[1:59:50] le nettoyage des ?gouts et des
[1:59:51] puisards pour la p?riode de mai
[1:59:53] 2024 ? avril 2025, ? SOLUTIONS
[1:59:54] ENVRIONNEMENTALES 360 QU?BEC
[1:59:55] LT?E, pour un montant total de
[1:59:57] 165 239,77 $, taxes incluses,
[2:00:00] avec une p?riode en option. Les
[2:00:03] ?gouts et les bassins de
[2:00:04] r?tention peuvent ?tre obstru?s
[2:00:05] par des d?bris tels que des
[2:00:06] faits, des d?chets et des
[2:00:08] s?diments. Un nettoyage r?gulier
[2:00:09] permet d'?viter des obstructions
[2:00:11] et de s'assurer que l'eau
[2:00:14] s'?coule librement, r?duisant
[2:00:15] ainsi le risque d'inondations et
[2:00:17] d'odeur. >> 14.3 Award a
[2:00:19] contract for the supply and the
[2:00:21] delivery of automotive
[2:00:22] maintenance parts for light and
[2:00:23] heavy vehicles, to UAP INC. VIA
[2:00:27] TRACTION ST-LAURENT for the lots
[2:00:28] A, B, C, E, F, H and I, for a
[2:00:32] total amount of $214,405.30,
[2:00:38] taxes included, and to also
[2:00:40] order a contract to PI?CES
[2:00:41] D'AUTOS HYMUS also known as
[2:00:44] ENTREP?T DE MONTR?AL 1470 INC.
[2:00:45] For the lots D and G, for a
[2:00:46] total amount of $ 105,166.09,
[2:00:49] taxes included.
[2:00:53] - 14.4 Approuver une
[2:00:54] modification au contrat
[2:00:55] intervenu avec P?PINI?RE JARDIN
[2:00:56] 2000 INC., Pour la fourniture et
[2:00:57] la livraison d'arbres en pot
[2:00:58] pour le Jour de la terre
[2:00:59] (Lot B)
[2:01:00] , pour un montant de 1 006,03 $,
[2:01:01] taxes incluses. 25 arbres
[2:01:04] suppl?mentaires ont ?t? ajout?s
[2:01:05] pour r?pondre aux besoins des
[2:01:07] citoyens. >> 14.5 Approve an
[2:01:08] agreement to be entered into
[2:01:12] with PROJET REM S.E.C regarding
[2:01:13] planting and maintenance of
[2:01:15] trees in the planting area. In
[2:01:17] accordance with rams forestry
[2:01:19] compensation obligations, the
[2:01:20] room covers a planting with
[2:01:22] approximately 142 trees on the
[2:01:25] median strip of the southeast
[2:01:26] access road from Highway 42
[2:01:28] Saint-Jean Boulevard.
[2:01:30] - 14.6 Confirmer l'adh?sion de
[2:01:31] la Ville de Pointe-Claire au
[2:01:32] regroupement des villes pour les
[2:01:33] appels d'offres qui seront
[2:01:34] pr?par?s par la Ville de
[2:01:35] Montr?al pour les abrasifs ainsi
[2:01:36] que le sel de d?gla?age pour la
[2:01:38] saison 2024-2025. La quantit?
[2:01:41] annuelle approximative est
[2:01:42] d'environ 8000 tonnes, mais peut
[2:01:44] varier ? la hausse ou ? la
[2:01:45] baisse en fonction des
[2:01:46] changements climatiques. >> For
[2:01:49] 14.1 to 14.6, do I have a mover?
[2:01:52] >> Eric Stork, district seven.
[2:01:54] >> And seconder?
[2:01:55] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,
[2:01:56] district three.
[2:01:57] >> All in favour?
[2:01:58] >> Thank you. 15.1 Exercise the
[2:02:02] renewal option provided for in
[2:02:03] the contract entered into with
[2:02:04] SANI-D?P?T DIVISION DU GROUPE
[2:02:05] DISSAN, for the period of June
[2:02:08] 1, 2024, to May 31, 2025, in the
[2:02:09] amount of $97,353.79
[2:02:17] , taxes included, for the supply
[2:02:18] and the delivery of janitorial
[2:02:19] products.
[2:02:20] - 15.2 Octroyer un contrat pour
[2:02:21] des travaux de toiture aux
[2:02:22] chalets de parc Cedar et Ovide,
[2:02:24] ? GROUPE CIRTECH INC., Pour un
[2:02:25] montant total de 688 700,25 $,
[2:02:27] taxes incluses. Les toitures
[2:02:30] sont v?tus ces n?cessitent des
[2:02:32] travaux pour ?viter les
[2:02:34] infiltrations d'eau et autres
[2:02:35] incidents. >> 15.3 Award a
[2:02:36] contract for the maintenance of
[2:02:39] municipal buildings for the
[2:02:40] period of May 2024 to April
[2:02:41] 2025, to GROUPE MARLEB INC., For
[2:02:44] a total amount of $65,989.90,
[2:02:47] taxes included, with two
[2:02:48] optional years.
[2:02:52] - 15.4 Octroyer un contrat pour
[2:02:53] la fourniture et la livraison de
[2:02:54] pi?ces ?lectriques pour la
[2:02:55] p?riode de mai 2024 ? mai 2025,
[2:02:56] ? LUMEN, DIVISION DE SONEPAR
[2:02:57] CANADA INC., Pour un montant
[2:02:58] total de 153 082,75 $, taxes
[2:03:03] incluses, avec deux ann?es en
[2:03:04] option. >> 15.5 Award a contract
[2:03:08] for professional services for
[2:03:09] the renovation of the locker
[2:03:12] rooms and offices at the Aquatic
[2:03:13] Center, to RIOPEL DION ST-MARTIN
[2:03:14] INC., For a total amount of
[2:03:20] $766,538.33, taxes included.
[2:03:22] This contract for professional
[2:03:23] services required to prepare the
[2:03:25] plants for the work, as well
[2:03:26] supervision construction.
[2:03:28] - 15.6 Octroyer un contrat pour
[2:03:29] des travaux d'entretien et de
[2:03:30] r?paration du syst?me
[2:03:31] frigorifique ? l'ammoniac
[2:03:32] Ecochill ? l'ar?na Bob Birnie
[2:03:35] pour les p?riodes de mai 2024 ?
[2:03:36] avril 2025, et de mai 2025 ?
[2:03:37] avril 2026, ? CIMCO
[2:03:39] R?FRIG?RATION, DIVISION TOROMONT
[2:03:40] INDUSTRIES LTD., Pour un montant
[2:03:43] total de 206 776,79 $, taxes
[2:03:50] incluses, avec trois p?riodes en
[2:03:51] option. >> 15.7 Approve a change
[2:03:55] order to the contract entered
[2:03:56] into with CONSTRUCTION CPB INC.,
[2:03:59] For the extension and renovation
[2:04:00] of Public Works, for an amount
[2:04:02] of $113,595.82, taxes included.
[2:04:08] Modifications include
[2:04:09] architectural, electrical,
[2:04:11] structural, and civil
[2:04:12] engineering works.
[2:04:15] - Pour 15,1 a 15,7. Do I have a
[2:04:18] mover?
[2:04:19] >> Mister Mayor, would you like
[2:04:21] to -- would you please isolate
[2:04:24] the 15.7, because I will be
[2:04:26] withholding no.
[2:04:27] >> Okay, so far 15.1 to 15.6, do
[2:04:31] I have a mover?
[2:04:33] >> Bruno Tremblay, district six.
[2:04:35] >> And seconder?
[2:04:43] All in favour? For 15.7, Mr.
[2:04:47] Cousineau? Await, do I have a
[2:04:49] mover?
[2:04:50] >> Bruno Tremblay, district. Six
[2:04:51] >> And a seconder?
[2:04:53] >> -- Senate, district two.
[2:04:57] Monsieur Cousineau, vous
[2:04:58] voudriez expliquer?
[2:05:03] >> Yeah, I think consist about
[2:05:04] this project the public work
[2:05:06] building. And I vote know all
[2:05:09] along. One of the reasons is
[2:05:10] that I came in and I think I had
[2:05:14] knowledge of that file for one
[2:05:18] caucus and then it was voted on,
[2:05:22] the 25 million was voted on the
[2:05:24] next meeting. So I did not have
[2:05:28] enough information in the amount
[2:05:30] was not appealing to me. Thank
[2:05:34] you.
[2:05:35] >> For 15.7, all in favour?
[2:05:38] Against?
[2:05:39] - Merci. >> Thank you.
[2:05:49] - 16.1 Se pr?valoir de l'option
[2:05:50] de renouvellement pr?vue au
[2:05:51] contrat intervenu avec SANIVAC,
[2:05:52] pour l'ann?e 2024, au montant de
[2:05:53] 117 996,69 $, taxes incluses,
[2:05:54] pour des travaux d'inspection
[2:05:55] t?l?vis?e des r?seaux pluviaux
[2:05:56] et sanitaires de diverses rues.
[2:05:57] 16.2 Award a contract for --
[2:06:03] >> 16.2 Award a contract for
[2:06:05] resurfacing works and sidewalk
[2:06:06] construction on Belmont Avenue
[2:06:09] between Coolbreeze and
[2:06:10] Saddlewood avenues, to ROXBORO
[2:06:11] EXCAVATION INC., For a total
[2:06:14] amount of $ 598,694.08, taxes
[2:06:15] included. The lighting on the
[2:06:20] section will also be completely
[2:06:21] replaced.
[2:06:23] - 16.3 Octroyer un contrat pour
[2:06:24] le remplacement des
[2:06:25] raccordements de services du
[2:06:26] chalet du parc Arthur-S?guin, ?
[2:06:27] CONSTRUCTION CAMARA, pour un
[2:06:28] montant total de 203 270,05 $,
[2:06:30] taxes incluses. Le travail
[2:06:33] consiste ? abandonner et enlever
[2:06:35] les tuyaux existants, fournir et
[2:06:38] installer de nouveaux tuyaux,
[2:06:39] r?aliser tous les raccordements
[2:06:41] n?cessaires et r?parer ce qui
[2:06:42] sera endommag?. >> 16.4 Award a
[2:06:43] contract for professional
[2:06:46] services for geotechnical
[2:06:47] studies, environmental
[2:06:49] characterization and material
[2:06:51] quality control for municipal
[2:06:54] infrastructure rehabilitation
[2:06:55] for 2024, to GROUPE ABS INC.,
[2:06:58] For a total amount of
[2:07:01] $773,691.78, taxes included,
[2:07:02] with two optional years. This
[2:07:06] includes the approval of
[2:07:07] technical data sheets for
[2:07:08] various construction materials
[2:07:09] and on site testing. It will
[2:07:12] perform drilling and analysis
[2:07:14] for the preparation of Gia
[2:07:15] technical and environmental
[2:07:17] reports to assist in the design
[2:07:18] of future projects, provide
[2:07:21] expertise in the analysis and
[2:07:22] handling of contaminated soils,
[2:07:24] carry out analysis of stock
[2:07:26] files in the public works yard
[2:07:28] on a bimonthly basis, and
[2:07:30] provide environmental reports to
[2:07:31] ensure that materials are stored
[2:07:34] and processed accordingly.
[2:07:37] - 16.5 Octroyer un contrat pour
[2:07:38] la correction du drainage du
[2:07:39] terrain de tennis Clearpoint, ?
[2:07:42] 9378-6549 QC INC.
[2:07:44] (EXCAVATION D. JOMPHE)
[2:07:45] , Pour un montant total de 79
[2:07:47] 653,09 $, taxes incluses. Le
[2:07:51] projet consiste ? enlever la
[2:07:53] r?gle d'asphalte existante et
[2:07:56] reprocherez les foss?s existants
[2:07:58] pour faciliter l'?coulement
[2:07:59] d'eau vers les conduites
[2:08:01] d'entrer en b?ton, raccorder un
[2:08:03] tuyau plus vert en b?ton de 900
[2:08:06] millim?tres existants sur le
[2:08:07] site. >> 16.6 Award a contract
[2:08:08] for the refurbishment of the
[2:08:10] Lansdowne, Cedar and Kinsmen
[2:08:13] park playgrounds, to TESSIER
[2:08:14] R?CR?O-PARC INC., For a total
[2:08:16] amount of $ 450,421.50, taxes
[2:08:20] included. The work includes
[2:08:23] demolition and replacement of
[2:08:24] existing playground equipment,
[2:08:26] play services, drainage system,
[2:08:28] and pathways.
[2:08:30] - 16.7 Octroyer un contrat pour
[2:08:31] des services professionnels pour
[2:08:32] la r?fection d'un terrain de
[2:08:33] balles et de terrain
[2:08:34] tennis-pickleball au parc
[2:08:35] Arthur-S?guin, ? GROUPE CIVITAS
[2:08:37] INC., Pour un montant total de
[2:08:40] 79 965,11 $, taxes incluses. Ce
[2:08:44] contrat vise la pr?paration des
[2:08:45] plans et devis dans le but de
[2:08:46] faire la r?fection du terrain de
[2:08:48] tennis, du terrain de baseball,
[2:08:50] j'ai l'?clairage, les plateaux
[2:08:51] sportifs et de la circulation
[2:08:52] entre ces ?l?ments du parc
[2:08:54] Arthur S?guin.
[2:08:56] - Pour 16,1 ? 16,7. To have a
[2:08:59] mover?
[2:09:00] >> Eric Stork, district seven.
[2:09:02] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,
[2:09:03] district three.
[2:09:05] >> All in favour?
[2:09:07] - Merci. >> 17.1 Amend
[2:09:11] resolution 2024-180 in order to
[2:09:13] modify the conditions authorized
[2:09:14] to SPAIP at 80 Broadview Avenue.
[2:09:17] It is necessary to amend the
[2:09:21] resolution resolution 2024-180
[2:09:22] to the condition related to the
[2:09:23] cement.
[2:09:24] - 17.2 Consid?rer les plans
[2:09:25] d'implantation et d'int?gration
[2:09:26] architecturale relatifs ? la
[2:09:27] propri?t? situ?e au 12, avenue
[2:09:28] Coolbreeze. Pour une d?molition
[2:09:30] et une nouvelle construction. >>
[2:09:31] 17.3 Consider the site planning
[2:09:32] and architectural integration
[2:09:34] programme plans with respect to
[2:09:36] the property situated at 412
[2:09:37] Delmar Avenue. They are exterior
[2:09:40] renovations.
[2:09:42] - 17.4 Consid?rer les plans
[2:09:43] d'implantation et d'int?gration
[2:09:44] architecturale relatifs ? la
[2:09:45] propri?t? situ?e au 44, avenue
[2:09:46] Drayton. Pour une r?novation et
[2:09:49] r?novation ext?rieurs. >> 17.5
[2:09:52] Consider the site planning and
[2:09:54] architectural integration
[2:09:55] programme plans with respect to
[2:09:56] the property situated at 13
[2:09:57] avenue Julien. Demolition and
[2:09:59] new construction.
[2:10:03] [Inaudible]
[2:10:16] >> Okay, pertaining to one of
[2:10:19] these --
[2:10:20] [Inaudible]
[2:10:22] I believe she is allowed to
[2:10:24] speak to 17.5 in this meeting.
[2:10:28] >> According to our bylaw, no.
[2:10:43] [Inaudible]
[2:10:45] >> You can't hear anything? You
[2:10:47] can't hear what's being said?
[2:10:52] >> The question period is over,
[2:10:54] insistence cannot convene.
[2:10:55] >> You can bring a question to
[2:10:56] the next question period, for
[2:10:58] sure.
[2:11:00] [Inaudible]
[2:11:13] >> Sadly.
[2:11:20] Apparently not, this question,
[2:11:23] you can bring it to the next
[2:11:25] meeting.
[2:11:26] [Inaudible]
[2:11:27] >> Oh, carry the clause, the
[2:11:28] whole issue, 17.5 --
[2:11:43] >> Can we carry it forward?
[2:11:45] >> If you to withdraw the item,
[2:11:47] we have a mover, propose or --
[2:11:49] >> Do I have a mover to withdraw
[2:11:50] the item of 17.4, the one you
[2:11:53] would like, 0.5?
[2:11:55] >> You can move it yourself, but
[2:11:57] you need a seconder.
[2:11:58] >> I moved to have 17.5 moved to
[2:12:01] the next meeting. Do I have a
[2:12:03] seconder?
[2:12:09] >> Are you the owner the
[2:12:10] property? I'm sorry.
[2:12:13] [Inaudible]
[2:12:19] >> Maybe go to the microphone.
[2:12:21] >> We will move the microphone
[2:12:22] because the question period is
[2:12:24] over.
[2:12:25] >> Are we over, like -- I moved.
[2:12:27] >> But no one seconded.
[2:12:30] >> We have no seconder. Do we
[2:12:31] have no seconder for moving 17
[2:12:33] point -- now?
[2:12:37] >> I move in 17.1 and 17.5.
[2:12:42] >> You need to vote on 17.1 to
[2:12:45] 17.5, please.
[2:12:46] >> Do I have a mover? Have we a
[2:12:48] mover and a seconder? I forget.
[2:12:50] Do I have a mover for 17.1 to
[2:12:54] 17.5?
[2:12:56] >> Claude Cousineau, district
[2:12:58] one.
[2:12:59] >> And seconder?
[2:13:00] >> Cynthia Homan, district five.
[2:13:01] >> All in favour?
[2:13:08] - 17.6 Consid?rer les plans
[2:13:09] d'implantation et d'int?gration
[2:13:10] architecturale relatifs ? la
[2:13:11] propri?te situ?e au 53, avenue
[2:13:12] Queen. Pour des r?novations
[2:13:15] ext?rieures.
[2:13:16] >> 17.7 Consider the site
[2:13:17] planning and architectural
[2:13:18] integration programme plans with
[2:13:19] respect to the property situated
[2:13:21] at 434 Saint-Louis Avenue. It is
[2:13:24] exterior renovations.
[2:13:28] - 17.8 Consid?rer les plans
[2:13:29] d'implantation et d'int?gration
[2:13:30] architecturale relatifs ? la
[2:13:31] propri?t? situ?e au 10, avenue
[2:13:32] Victoria. Pour une excavation et
[2:13:36] des r?novations ext?rieures. >>
[2:13:37] 17.9 Consider the site planning
[2:13:38] and architectural integration
[2:13:39] programme plans with respect to
[2:13:41] the property situated at 161 De
[2:13:42] Windward Crescent Avenue. It's
[2:13:44] an extension.
[2:13:46] - 17.10 Autoriser l'affichage
[2:13:47] commercial pour le bureau des
[2:13:48] ventes situ?e au 275, boulevard
[2:13:49] Hymus.... On devrait les
[2:13:53] allocations plut?t que vente.
[2:13:58] - Pour 17,6 ? 17,10., You have a
[2:14:02] mover?
[2:14:03] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.
[2:14:08] >> Do I have a mover? Do I have
[2:14:12] a mover?
[2:14:14] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.
[2:14:15] >> And seconder? All in favour?
[2:14:20] - Merci. >> 18.1 Authorize the
[2:14:23] implementation of a legal
[2:14:25] graffiti wall project near the
[2:14:26] skatepark. The initiative is
[2:14:28] being put forward to find a
[2:14:29] positive solution to the
[2:14:30] graffiti problem, preserve the
[2:14:32] aluminum mural, and raise
[2:14:33] awareness among young people
[2:14:35] about the consequences of
[2:14:36] illegal graffiti.
[2:14:38] - 18.2 Autoriser la s?lection de
[2:14:39] l'artiste, Annick Gaudreault,
[2:14:40] pour la r?alisation d'un projet
[2:14:43] d'art public temporaire sur la
[2:14:44] cl?ture en maille entourant
[2:14:45] l'aire de jeux des tout-petits
[2:14:46] dans le parc David-W.-Beck. Ce
[2:14:50] projet d'art public est dans le
[2:14:55] parc parc David-W.-Beck. Du
[2:14:56] district UNIS dans b?n?ficiera
[2:14:58] aux citoyens ainsi qu'aux
[2:14:59] citoyens
[2:15:00] (---)
[2:15:01] tout en int?grant dollar public
[2:15:02] dans ce secteur de la ville. Ce
[2:15:03] projet serait temporaire et
[2:15:04] devrait avoir une dur?e minimale
[2:15:06] de 2 ans et contribuer
[2:15:08] positivement ? l'identit?
[2:15:09] visuelle du quartier. >> 18.3
[2:15:11] Authorize the creation of an
[2:15:12] urban-style artwork on the
[2:15:14] Hermitage chalet.
[2:15:25] Located in district six,
[2:15:27] scenery. This artwork would be
[2:15:28] the first one to be located on
[2:15:30] the north side of Brunswick
[2:15:32] boulevard and would be enjoyed
[2:15:33] by citizens of this area. The
[2:15:35] artwork would be displayed on
[2:15:37] wooden pals on the west wall of
[2:15:38] the chalet, according to
[2:15:40] recommendations by the City's
[2:15:41] public works and building
[2:15:42] department.
[2:15:43] - 18.4 Autoriser la tenue d'un
[2:15:44] encan pour la disposition de
[2:15:45] biens en collaboration avec le
[2:15:46] Centre d'acquisitions
[2:15:47] gouvernementales
[2:15:48] (CAG)
[2:15:49] . 20 v?los stationnaires soit
[2:15:50] exc?dentaire et ne sont plus
[2:15:51] utilis?s par la Ville. La
[2:15:52] pr?sente autorisations vise leur
[2:15:54] mise en vente ? la chaire ? leur
[2:15:55] juste valeur marchande. >> For
[2:15:58] each 1.1 to 18.4, do I have a
[2:16:01] mover?
[2:16:02] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,
[2:16:03] district three.
[2:16:04] >> And seconder?
[2:16:05] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.
[2:16:06] >> All in favour?
[2:16:09] >> Closure.
[2:16:10] >> Foreclosure, do I have a
[2:16:12] mover?
[2:16:14] >> Tara Stainforth, district
[2:16:15] four.
[2:16:16] >> And seconder?
[2:16:17] >> Eric Stork, district seven.
[2:16:18] >> All in favour?
[2:16:19] - Merci, tout le monde. Thanks
[2:16:22] everyone.