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- Bonsoir, tout le monde. Good

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evening everyone. Welcome to the

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meeting. We shall start with our

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council members reports, and I

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district eight. Councillor

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>> I just would like to say that

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we all survived the flood of

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hopefully of the century,

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hopefully it won't come back.

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I'm on the emergency Planning

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Committee, and I am calling for

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a meeting -- where all the

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lessons can be learned and

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perhaps I -- perhaps implement

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implementing what the costs are,

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like the city, the citizens,

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give them information package

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out to citizens or how they can

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better prepare themselves well

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for the next flood of the

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century, who knows when that

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be 100 years from now -- but we

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that might be a lot sooner.

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Thank you.

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>> Councillor Cousineau?

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>> Yes, in my opinion, we will

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5.6 item. Now it will be moved,

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17.8, and I will make a short

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comment, ten, and I also want to

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apologize to Mr. Nasr El Dabee,

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for earlier events, and I'd like

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to talk to you after the meeting

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if it's possible. Thank you.

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>> Councillor Stainforth?

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Councillor Homan?

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>> Good evening. I just want to

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thank all of -- I'm from

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district five, and I'd like to

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thank all of the neighbours and

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the people who helped their

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friends and their neighbours

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from the flooding. And at a time

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when it's very difficult for

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many people and you see

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different things happening and I

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saw a lot of people working and

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helping each other and literally

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restored my faith in mid

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mankind, for sure, because it

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hasn't always been easy. I would

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district five that helped each

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other out during a very

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difficult time. Also, you're for

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staff are getting in there are

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streets as quickly as I could

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unsettle what, Glanlynn,

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Sunnyside, I could go on and on

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, thank you all for your help.

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Councillor Tremblay?

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>> Nothing specific tonight.

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Your sentiments Homan, well

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said, and I think what you said

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applies also to district six as

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well, thank you.

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>> Councillor Thorstad-Cullen?

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>> I do echo the comments of my

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colleagues and I thank you for

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sharing them. It is a trying

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time for those going through it.

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beginning, as I've had many

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exchanges with my residents. I

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know that we cannot be there for

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everyone, but if there are

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needs, I encourage you to reach

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out to neighbours friends who

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can support you, and of course,

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your councillor if it's within

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something that we can try to

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help give you support or find

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someone to help support you in

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these times of need, thank you.

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>> Councillor Stork?

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>> Thank you. Just a couple of

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things, so starting off next

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Saturday's, district seven, --

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Northview Park, great cause if

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you're in district seven, where

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Stevie Cohen puts it on with his

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kids, live music for the

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children's hospital, it's a

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really nice cause -- lot going

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- Juste des affaires.

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A -- developers, cities doing

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everything they can, they're on

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site every day, checking

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compaction, everything to make

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sure that nothing slips through

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the cracks because they have

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been late. Ça va prendre jusque,

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d'après moi, le 1er octobre

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avant que ça se règle. Et après

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ce qu'ils ont fait, comment ils

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nous ont aidés. We also have not

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heard much in reference to the

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575 project, the Lucia's. With

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that in mind, and I've posted on

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my page that we formed a

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citizens committee to start

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drumming up some information and

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to get ahead of the curb when it

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does come. So that is a positive

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step. Last but not least but in

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reference to the flooding, you

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know, we have a great city. The

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citizens, what they did, I was

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pretty much affected, and the

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citizens from Craigmore, their

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unity and their bond And just be

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patient with the garbage

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collection, or going to get,

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their kudos to the City for

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working hard, and that's about

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it, thank you.

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>> Homan, you wanted to --

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every year around this time,

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there's an event at the plaza,

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shopping centre, it's a

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community awareness day. It's

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between ten and three, and all

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community -- many community

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organizations set up their table

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their different -- what they do,

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the services they do, they are

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pamphlets they hand out, Council

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will have a table, and also in

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the recreation department will

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have a table so you can learn a

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little bit more about the

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programs and services they do.

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also a good way to support our

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merchants. So it's 10 to 3 on

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the plaza, thank you very much.

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>> Thank you Councillor Homan.

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Mesdames et Messieurs, bonsoir

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et bienvenue à cette séance du

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conseil du 3 septembre 2024.

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Ladies and gentlemen, good

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evening, welcome to our

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September 3rd council meeting. I

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as well have something to say

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about the flooding. I published

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a bit on it and spoke in it on

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an interview today on a, but I

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wrote a letter back to a

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citizen, and I thought I'd read

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it to you here tonight. It's not

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too long, I hope. There are a

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few areas of the city that were

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hit very badly. The ones that

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everybody got hit. The

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whole process was it wasn't the

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usual suspects, it randomly

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ways. The ones that sprang to

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about where Saddlewood,

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others that I mentioned, are not

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many other areas. We are trying

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to analyze and understand what

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we can do, and it's a real

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challenge because it defied

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overwhelmed. So when your system

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is overwhelmed, you have to

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understand why and where you can

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very eloquently, no city is

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going to be able to redo their

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system in time for the next

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rainfall. But we can study and

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mitigate against similar

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problems. We're trying to

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analyze and understand what we

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can do. We've already invested

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in storm retention basins, and

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will continue to re-invest in

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our infrastructure. But as Mark

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said, no city is in a position

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to rebuild its waterworks

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infrastructure before the next

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big storm hits. Financially,

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it's impossible. Going forward

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though, we can ensure that parks

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and streets are built in ways

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that are designed to absorb

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runoff that would otherwise and

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can ensure that all future

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respect the need to prevent

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obviously ensure that wetlands

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are never cut and developed for

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exactly these reasons, and we

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permeable pavements, et cetera,

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to prevent runoff. But we must

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also highlight the need to

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address the cause of intense

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rainfall events, and that is

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change itself. And we can

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influence that. We've already

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begun -- Pointe-Claire has

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already begun managing its

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shoreline to reduce the warming

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of its waters. It is

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dramatically increased its

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habitat gardening in places like

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copper Drake, behind the plaza,

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and all along the front of our

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public's work building just

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along Donegani. But we can do

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more. We can encourage or insist

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on having green rooms, more

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green rooms, more solar

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panneling in our industrial park

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and on as many municipal

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buildings as puzzle. Alan

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miracles in this regard in St.

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Laurent, and I seem as a beacon

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and an example and an

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inspiration possibly for things

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where we can simply do what we

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can to mitigate against climate

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disaster. We should continue to

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do our best given the resources

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available to us. I encourage the

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use of whatever means available

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to us to try and mitigate

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against heavy rainfalls in the

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future and their impact. Le 22

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un événement pour honorer nos

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athlètes olympiques. Kelly

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. Malheureusement, Patrick aussi

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ne pouvait pas prendre part à

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l'événement mais ses parents

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étaient là. Plus de 200

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personnes se sont présentés au

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Centre aquatique pour les

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rencontrer et obtenir des

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autographes de nos athlètes

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olympiques. C'était un événement

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mémorable pour tout le monde. On

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August 22nd, Pointe-Claire held

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an event to honour our Olympic

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athletes, Kiley MacKay, Nathan's

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Albert Murray, and Serena Brown.

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And as I said, unfortunately

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Patrick was unable to attend but

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his parents were day. Over 200

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people turned out of the aquatic

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centre to meet them and get

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autographs. It was fun, a great

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evening, wonderful human beings,

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I was impressed with their

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composure and resilience and it

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was very special. I just want to

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say thank you again to all the

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athletes and citizens that came

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out to the event. Les collectes

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depuis le passage de la tempête

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Debbie, Pointe-Claire a dû

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ajuster les collectes. D'abord,

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pour ramasser les débris reliés

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aux inondations et par la suite,

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pour assurer les collectes

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habituels. Nous avons prolongé

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la collecte hebdomadaire des

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déchets pour donner la chance à

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nos citoyens et citoyennes de

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poursuivre leur nettoyage.

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Compte tenu de la qualité

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importante des débris, nous

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prolongeons l'horaire

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hebdomadaire des collectes de

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déchets domestiques jusqu'à

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nouvel ordre. Nous reprenons

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l'horaire de l'automne la

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semaine prochaine. Les collecte

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des déchets se feront aux deux

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semaines. Ce sera important de

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visiter le site Web de

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Pointe-Claire pour suivre notre

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page Facebook pour vous tenir

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informés des changements de ces

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horaires. Veuillez noter que

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plusieurs collègues auront lieu

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en septembre afin de vous aider

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à vous débarrasser correctement

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de vos objets et matériaux. Le

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11 septembre, il y aura une

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collecte de objets en comprend.

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Le 14 septembre, il y aura un

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écocentre dans la cour des

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Travaux publics. Les 14 et 15

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septembre, vous pourrez apporter

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vos résidus domestiques

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dangereux dans le stationnement

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municipal longeant l'avenue

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Civic Center derrière l'hôtel de

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ville. Les branches seront

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ramassés sur une base régulière

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jusqu'au 31 octobre. Il ne

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serait pas nécessaire de fournir

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les employés de l'hôtel de ville

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pour la collecte. Since the

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passage of tropical storm Debby,

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Pointe-Claire has had to adjust

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its collection, first pick up

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flood related to breathe and to

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ensure the usual collections.

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Due to the large quantity of

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debris that we are in contact

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with water, the weekly schedule

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for a household waste collection

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has been extended until further

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notice. Next, week we are

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getting back to our fall

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schedule, garbage pickup will be

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every two weeks. Please visit

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Pointe-Claire's website and

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social media pages to keep up on

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upcoming protections. Please

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note that several collections

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will take place in September to

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help you properly dispose of

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items and materials, like I said

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in French, Wednesday, September

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11th of bulky items collection,

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Saturdays at number 14, and

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equal Centre and the public

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works yard, Saturday September

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14th, and Sunday September 15th,

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a hazardous household ways to be

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dropped off, hazardous household

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ways to be dropped off in the

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municipal parking lot along

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civic centre avenue behind City

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Hall. Branches will be collected

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on a regular basis in till

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October 31st. It won't be

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necessary to contact City Hall

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to request collection. Les

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inscriptions, encore cette

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année, nous avons une importante

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programmation culturelle pour la

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rentrée. Les inscriptions aux

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activités d'été du centre

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(---)

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Stewart Hull et de la

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bibliothèque débuteront ce soir

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pour les résidents et les

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non-résident, ce sera ce jeudi à

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19 heures. La vente des billets

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pour la saison d'automne 2024

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des grands concerts Stewart à

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l'est déjà en ligne. Chaque

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automne, l'auto Teck renouvelle

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sa collection et invite les

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artistes à soumettre leurs

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oeuvres à la galerie d'art

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Stuart Hall pour la collection

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de 1025 de l'événement....

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Celles-ci seront évalués par un

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jury formé des professionnels du

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milieu artistique. Les oeuvres

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sélectionnées seront exposées à

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la galerie d'art ils seront par

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la suite disponible à l'aréna

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TECQ pour l'avant ou la

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location. L'appel aux

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arbitres... et aux artistes est

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maintenant lancé.

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Et la prochaine exposition qui

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se tiendra à la galerie d'art

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Stuart Hall à partir du 7

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septembre prochain. C'est

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dispositions rassemble les

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pratiques des trois artistes

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(---)

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Catherine Boivin, Frédéric

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Bigras Bogan. Registration for

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life activists at Stewart Hall

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cultural -- begin this evening

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for residents. For non

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residents, it will be this

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Thursday at seven PM. Tickets

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are now available online for the

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fall 2024 season of Stewart

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holes grand concerts. Each fall,

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Stewart Hall rental and sales

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service renews its collection

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and invites artist from the West

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Island to submit their

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earthwork. The artwork will be

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evaluated by a jury made up of

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professionals from the art

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world. The selected works will

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be exhibited at the art gallery

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and will be available at the art

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rental and sales service for

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sale or monthly rental. This

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call to artists is now open.

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Stuart Hall's next exhibition

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is, and I quote, this shower is

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a body, is a world, is a house.

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It brings you had three artists,

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Lane Côté, -- and Frederick be

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Dora. The exhibition will be on

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display starting September 7th.

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And just on a final note, we

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will be discussing a resolution

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tonight to remove once again a

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project from our interim control

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bylaw, or the RCI. I have always

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objected to buildings that are

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too high because you lose the

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sense of community. I've also

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always objected to building

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residentially in the commercial

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industrial zone which I think is

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the city's bread basket and is

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foolhardy to do so. So these are

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my objections at the outset.

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Tonight, once, again the project

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is being pulled out of the RRCEA

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and I'm almost at the point of

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asking why we have one. That

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being, said I think we can move

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to question period. Now, the

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rules for question period --

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>> No, the adoption of the

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agenda, Mister Mayor. Je

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m'excuse.

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- 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre du

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jour. 1.1 Adoption of the

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Agenda. With the following,

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change the item 5.6 is moved

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right after 17.7, there for 5.6

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will not become 17.8.

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Donc le

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. On 05 et point six sont

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déplacées à 17,8.

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>> For adoption of the agenda,

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do I have a mover?

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>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

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district. Three

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>> And seconder?

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>> Bruno Tremblay, Sonia re-.

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>> All in favour?

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- 3.1 Approuver le procès-verbal

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de la séance ordinaire du 13

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août 2024.

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>> To approve the minutes of the

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meeting of August 13th, 2024, do

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I have a mover?

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>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen, --

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>> And seconder?

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- Brûlots Tremblay, district

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six.

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>> Bruno Tremblay, district six.

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>> All in favour?

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- Pour la période des questions

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ce soir. >> Question Vous avez

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été accueilli à l'entrée pour

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vous inscrire à la période de

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questions. L'intention de cette

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démarche est d'abord deux

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permettre aux personnes de

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demeurer assise jusqu'à l'appel

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de leur nom et d'accorder la

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priorité aux résidents et

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résidentes de Pointe-Claire. Et

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nous garderons 90 minutes pour

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la période de questions. Une

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personne à la fois au micro.

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Nous vous remercions d'attendre

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que le citoyen ait terminé de

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poser sa question et que vous

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soyez appelés avant de vous

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lever pour venir poser votre

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question. Trois, les

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non-résidents présents pourront

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poser leurs questions par la

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suite, si le temps n'est pas

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écoulé.

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Would be called to get up and

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ask us. And finally,

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nonresidents present will be

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able to ask questions afterwards

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or if there is time permitting.

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So first off the bat Au début,

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Alexandre Rousseau.

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>> Good evening, everyone. I

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will try and be brief into the

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point. So a couple of things,

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almost a year ago now, I've come

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in and ask this council multiple

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times to look at how we are

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charging taxes for our citizens,

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and respectively, I sent an

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email on the 1st of June of

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which every council member was

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copied on, and yourself, Mister

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Mayor. No one has answered me

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since then. Out of respect to

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all of you, I sent a follow-up

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email on July 26th, again, total

559
00:21:23,060 --> 00:21:25,060
radio silence. Now, I'm all

560
00:21:25,060 --> 00:21:26,060
about respect, it's

561
00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:28,060
bidirectional Street, so

562
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:29,060
respectfully, let's take a look

563
00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:31,060
at that one. The next one I sent

564
00:21:31,060 --> 00:21:34,060
you an email on the 7th of June,

565
00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:36,060
asking you to look at traffic

566
00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:39,060
issues, which I copied Mr. Stork

567
00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:41,060
on, specifically around Shaw's

568
00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:45,060
or, bear wood, where the new old

569
00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:47,060
folks home is going to be built

570
00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:49,060
there. It's come to my attention

571
00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:51,060
since then you actually already

572
00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:52,060
have a traffic report, it dates

573
00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:54,060
from January 2020, I'm holding

574
00:21:54,060 --> 00:21:56,060
it in my hands, 103-page

575
00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:57,060
document that clearly lays out

576
00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:59,060
what you should be doing. And

577
00:21:59,060 --> 00:22:03,020
again, on July 20, six no

578
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:04,020
follow-up not-so---none

579
00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:05,020
whatsoever, not even an answer

580
00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:06,020
or reply, which is a little

581
00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:07,020
ridiculous, to be honest. So,

582
00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:09,020
now I'm just gonna keep it

583
00:22:09,020 --> 00:22:11,020
simple, do you commit to working

584
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:13,020
on these two issues and updating

585
00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:16,020
us once a month has to their

586
00:22:16,020 --> 00:22:17,020
status, yes or no?

587
00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:19,020
>> Well, we could try, but were

588
00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:20,020
completely incapable of doing

589
00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:22,020
so. But thank you for your

590
00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:23,020
question. It is a Québec

591
00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:26,020
government project and we have

592
00:22:26,020 --> 00:22:27,020
-- we are as much in the dark as

593
00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:30,020
you are, and we will report you

594
00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:31,020
as soon as we know anything

595
00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:33,020
about it. What I can tell you,

596
00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:35,020
and Councillor Stork and I are

597
00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:37,020
on the same page on this one, is

598
00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:39,020
that we are very much perplexed

599
00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:41,020
how they plan to allow vehicles

600
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:43,020
to get in and out of that

601
00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:44,020
building. And that is of crucial

602
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:46,020
importance to Pointe-Claire. And

603
00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:49,020
we don't know. We have our

604
00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:50,020
preferences. I for one would

605
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:52,020
like to see an opening up of

606
00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:53,020
Hymus so there can be an exit

607
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:55,020
and entrance on Hymus. I think

608
00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:58,020
it's the only solution. But we

609
00:22:58,020 --> 00:22:59,020
are told that it may be too

610
00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:02,080
close to the intersection. We

611
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,080
have come up with our own

612
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,080
solutions, and the report of

613
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,080
2020, I have not read, that was

614
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,080
in the previous administration.

615
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,080
However, thank you for bringing

616
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,080
that up. And I will have a look

617
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,080
at it. The problem with this

618
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,080
project is that really it's a

619
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,080
mystery. Other than we can look

620
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,080
at the prototypes that have

621
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,080
already been built, we can't

622
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,080
really guess much. And we don't

623
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,080
have the documentation or

624
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,080
information we are requesting,

625
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,080
so we can get back to you on it,

626
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,080
because we simply don't have it,

627
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,080
and it's never good to guess.

628
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,080
And it's not good to surmise.

629
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080
However, you know, you are quite

630
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,080
right, I don't see how they're

631
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,080
going to do it down on Shaw's

632
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,080
are, they would it is too

633
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,080
narrow, I don't know what they

634
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,080
are going to do, and we are very

635
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,080
perplexing concerned as a

636
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,080
Council.

637
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,080
>> Okay, so just a final

638
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,080
statement, respectfully, you

639
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,080
have some of this information

640
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,080
because continue the email us

641
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,080
at, because I reached out to the

642
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,080
organization that's governing

643
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,080
the project ahead of time, and I

644
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,040
asked them a couple different

645
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,040
questions, the first one being

646
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,040
the entrance off of St. John's

647
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,040
to the end of the lot will be

648
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,040
maintained and will be

649
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,040
maintained when the project was

650
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,040
live. You could be true is the

651
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,040
entrance on May would, it'll be

652
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,040
-- furthermore they actually

653
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,040
responded because I asked a

654
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,040
traffic question saying, hey,

655
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,040
what are we going to do about

656
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,040
this and they responded very

657
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,040
clearly this is 100% the

658
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,040
responsibility the City of

659
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,040
Pointe-Claire. So it's actually

660
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,040
your job, no offence, and there

661
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,040
is no waiting on any other level

662
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,040
of government here. Your

663
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,040
responsibility is to study this,

664
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,040
this issue respectfully, you

665
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,040
have information in front of,

666
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,040
the reporting, you can read it,

667
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,040
and start working on the

668
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,040
project. That's it. There is no

669
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,040
other level of government.

670
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,040
>> They have never given that to

671
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,040
myself. Madame Verdun, have they

672
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,040
given us a report on the traffic

673
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,040
report, from the provincial

674
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040
government have we received any

675
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,040
report on how they plan to wrote

676
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,040
fake in and out once that's

677
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,000
built, do we have that written

678
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000
in a plan?

679
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000
>> We don't have the final plan,

680
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,000
but yes, it's true that we have

681
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,000
some discussion with them but we

682
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000
don't have the final plan

683
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000
because it's the -- and for now,

684
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000
they didn't add the offer done,

685
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
so we don't have the plan. But

686
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
you know, we already discussed,

687
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,000
that it will eventually be --

688
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,000
responsibility of the City to

689
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
look at the traffic around, so

690
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
this is true.

691
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000
>> So once we know the project,

692
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000
we will absolutely do, so thank

693
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,000
you sir. Sir, that's --

694
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,000
>> We will see each other next

695
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,000
week.

696
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,000
>> Joan --

697
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000
>> Hello, good evening, thank

698
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000
you for your time. My name is

699
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000
John Terrell us, I live on 93

700
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000
Cedar Avenue. My reason for

701
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000
being here today is for the

702
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000
ongoing issue residential

703
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,000
project 99 Cedar, probably half

704
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,060
of you around on this table in

705
00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:05,060
this Council is aware of this

706
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:08,060
project. My wife and I are the

707
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:10,060
only ones in my humble opinion

708
00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:12,060
who have a reason to speak up.

709
00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:14,060
Where the only ones that number

710
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:17,060
99 seater. We have incurred from

711
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:19,060
last year including this year

712
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:23,060
over $10,000 of landscape repair

713
00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:25,060
and the cleaning, refilling of

714
00:26:25,060 --> 00:26:29,060
our pool every time because the

715
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:31,060
landscape at 99 seater, again,

716
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:34,060
in my humble opinion, and I've

717
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:36,060
had people who have given me

718
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:38,060
advice in Council, and I know

719
00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,060
the city is working on this,

720
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:42,060
it's been 3.5 years, that we've

721
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:44,060
moved into the area, we've tried

722
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:45,060
working it out with our

723
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:48,060
neighbour, it is not happening,

724
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:51,060
so that page has turned and I'm

725
00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:53,060
here to ask the Council's

726
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:54,060
support in fixing this problem

727
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:57,060
once and for all. It's got

728
00:26:57,060 --> 00:27:00,020
nothing to do with Debby and the

729
00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:02,020
rainfall we had, created a lot

730
00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:04,020
of unfortunate issues for a lot

731
00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:06,020
of neighbours. This is been

732
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:09,020
going on for two summers now.

733
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:11,020
Every time there is an above

734
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:16,020
average rain, we always get

735
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:18,020
landscape mud and water flowing

736
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:20,020
onto the property, onto our

737
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:22,020
property from 99 Cedar. He's

738
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:24,020
elevated, they've elevated their

739
00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:26,020
landscape in certain areas, it's

740
00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:29,020
four feet above our property.

741
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:31,020
The previous owners that sold us

742
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:34,020
the house that built next to us

743
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:37,020
never

744
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,040
For 99th seeded to implement a

745
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,040
retaining wall. The rest is not

746
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,040
working. And again, I have proof

747
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,040
in photos, in videos, and

748
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,040
outside counsel advice where

749
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,040
I've been told. So I'm asking

750
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,000
the City, again, I waited

751
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000
probably too long, I try to work

752
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,000
it out with the neighbour, that

753
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000
option is off the table. I'm

754
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,000
taking civil action to reclaim

755
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
expenses, but I'm asking the

756
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000
City to help us out and get this

757
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000
problem resolved. Thank you

758
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
>> Wow, but so is there a

759
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000
question -- I will speak to

760
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000
that, is there a question --

761
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
>> The question is I know people

762
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000
are working on it, I know what

763
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000
I've been told and I don't want

764
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,000
to misspeak, the owner of 99

765
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Cedar has been asked to stop any

766
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000
work on the landscaping because

767
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
the City is currently

768
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,000
reassessing. So my question is,

769
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000
before any work is given in

770
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,000
terms of greenlight, can we see

771
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
the final plans that will

772
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000
eliminate the shoot once or for

773
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
all. We've never had this issue

774
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
before, and when I say we, the

775
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000
previous owners were there for

776
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000
almost 20 years, they never had

777
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
that issue, they never had that

778
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
issue.

779
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,060
>> So you would like to see the

780
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,060
future landscaping plans

781
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:04,060
yourself personally, or you and

782
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:05,060
your wife would like to see or

783
00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:07,060
have a look at the landscaping

784
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:08,060
plans once approved, is that

785
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:09,060
what you are --

786
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:11,060
>> Yes, that will prove that it

787
00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:16,060
will eliminate the issue.

788
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:18,060
>> It's quite a -- you've

789
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:20,060
explained that very well, I

790
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:25,060
might add. I don't want to over

791
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:30,060
speak on this, because potential

792
00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:33,060
legal stuff, but I am very

793
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:37,060
sympathetic to places or parts

794
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:39,060
of the city that are having

795
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:42,060
water problems, potentially as a

796
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:44,060
result of changes in the

797
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:46,060
landscape, cutting up wetlands,

798
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:48,060
transformation of land or

799
00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:49,060
territory, where we can prove it

800
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:51,060
and find that these

801
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:52,060
transformations have actually

802
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:56,060
caused harm. That actually is

803
00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:57,060
something we as a city can look

804
00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:59,060
into or mitigate or prevent in

805
00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:01,020
the future, so I take that very

806
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,020
seriously what you're proposing.

807
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:05,020
Now, obviously I have not spoken

808
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:06,020
to the professionals or public

809
00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:09,020
works or engineering on the

810
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:11,020
issue, but I suspect that they

811
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:13,020
will be looking at it. You said

812
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:15,020
there has been a halt or a --

813
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:17,020
>> What I was advised was that

814
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:19,020
there had been a halt, so we're

815
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:21,020
asking 99 to hold any

816
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:23,020
landscaping. I know that Madame

817
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:25,020
was Al and her team are looking

818
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:27,020
into it. I would love the

819
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:29,020
opportunity to sit down with her

820
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:31,020
or anyone else just to prove,

821
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:34,020
show my case and to show the

822
00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:37,020
videos I take in realtime. It's

823
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:39,020
not fun, 10,000, probably closer

824
00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:43,020
to 15,000, let alone every time

825
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:44,020
you empty at the pool, you have

826
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:45,020
to wait for them to come, they

827
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:47,020
empty it, out they clean, it

828
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:48,020
they refill it, that's a good

829
00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:51,020
week, week and a half every time

830
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:53,020
that you have no access to the

831
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:54,020
pool. But just the

832
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:55,020
inconvenience. If you come and

833
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:57,020
see the front lawn now near the

834
00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:59,020
sidewalk, my grass is gone, it's

835
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:01,080
covered with mud. So it's not

836
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,080
going to go away.

837
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,080
>> I run by there, I know

838
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,080
exactly -- I actually have seen

839
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,080
that. So you tell me there is a

840
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,080
team looking into it. Have you

841
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,080
try to approach the team to

842
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,080
express your --

843
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,080
>> I have, and right now based

844
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,080
on all the other issues going on

845
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,080
with the Debi storm, people are

846
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,080
inundated, some just waiting for

847
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,080
an opportunity to meet with

848
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,080
them. I've been reassured that

849
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080
they are looking into it, and

850
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,080
the other evidence that I can

851
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,080
share with the council is that

852
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080
the owner at 99 has been asked

853
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,080
not to do any landscaping until

854
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,080
the assessment and

855
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,080
recommendation is complete. I

856
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,080
don't care if it takes another

857
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,080
year, I really don't, as long as

858
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,080
it's done right. It's been 3.5

859
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,080
already, so another summer, as

860
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,080
long as it's done right, that's

861
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,080
not my concern, my concern is to

862
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,080
fix it once and for all and just

863
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,080
move forward, and that's it.

864
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,040
>> Okay, well thank you for

865
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,040
articulating that so clearly,

866
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,040
and I do sympathize. Hopefully

867
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,040
the team looking into it will

868
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,040
come up with the solution that

869
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,040
works for you as well as the

870
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040
owner of 99 and something can be

871
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,040
worked out, and if you have any

872
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,040
issues, don't hesitate to reach

873
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,040
out, Madame Verdun, do you have

874
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,040
anything that you know regarding

875
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,040
99 Cedar and how we are

876
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,040
approaching it?

877
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,040
>> No, we are in contact with --

878
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,040
especially with Debby, we kind

879
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,040
of -- but I can ensure that they

880
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,040
will look at the case next week.

881
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040
>> Thank you, thank you for your

882
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,040
time.

883
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,040
>> Hopefully that's good. Thank

884
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,040
you for bringing that up. I

885
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,040
appreciate it. Line Conway?

886
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,000
>> Good evening. Bonsoir.

887
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Je voudrais juste savoir de

888
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,000
l'administration, j'ai envoyé

889
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000
une lettre aujourd'hui pour les

890
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,000
numéros 15 et 17,1 et 17,6, je

891
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
me pose. Je fais mon argument

892
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
maintenant où tantôt quand vous

893
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
allez discuter avant le vote?

894
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
- Madame Conway, c'est des

895
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,000
dérogations mineures dont vous

896
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,000
parlez?

897
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,000
- Oui.

898
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,000
- Le numéro 15?

899
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
- Oui.

900
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
- Vous devez vous adresser au

901
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000
conseil quand on va arriver à

902
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
ces éléments-là de l'ordre du

903
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
jour.

904
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000
- Je vais pouvoir parler tantôt?

905
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000
- Oui. Quand on va arriver à ces

906
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000
points-là, je vais inviter des

907
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
gens qui ont des commentaires à

908
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000
le faire.

909
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
- Avant le vote?

910
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
- Pour les dérogations mineures

911
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,000
uniquement. 17, 01. À 17, cinq.

912
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
- 15, si vous voulez faire des

913
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
commentaires, c'est maintenant.

914
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,060
Pour 17,1 à 17,5, vous aurez

915
00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:03,060
l'occasion de vous adresser à au

916
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:08,060
conseil quand on va arriver là.

917
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:11,060
Before we start, can I ask a

918
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:16,060
favor, can we change the concept

919
00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:18,060
of -- questions to having two

920
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:19,060
topics, because sometimes it's

921
00:36:19,060 --> 00:36:21,060
not myself necessarily, but

922
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:22,060
often I see people, they didn't

923
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:26,060
really get to the end of their

924
00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:27,060
answer, didn't get the answer to

925
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:28,060
the topic, is it possible to do

926
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:29,060
that?

927
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:31,060
>> I don't fully understand,

928
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:32,060
could you explain?

929
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:34,060
>> The concept of the 90 minutes

930
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:35,060
of question period is we're

931
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:37,060
supposed to come with two

932
00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:38,060
questions, but my question --

933
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:40,060
this is not my question, this is

934
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:41,060
like --

935
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:44,060
>> A question any follow-up

936
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:45,060
question --

937
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:46,060
>> Is it possible to change two

938
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:47,060
questions to two topics, because

939
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:50,060
sometimes we don't have the full

940
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:51,060
answer, just the one question.

941
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:53,060
>> I have to confirm with

942
00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:55,060
Council on that. I can't argue

943
00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:56,060
that.

944
00:36:56,060 --> 00:36:57,060
>> Just for the future.

945
00:36:57,060 --> 00:36:59,060
>> Well, would that involve

946
00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:01,020
topics, or is there two

947
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:02,020
questions per topic, so are we

948
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:04,020
doubling the questions? I don't

949
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:05,020
fully understand.

950
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:06,020
>> It's an issue, say someone

951
00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:09,020
has a problem or an issue, they

952
00:37:09,020 --> 00:37:12,020
have to explain their issue, a

953
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:13,020
few little questions. Sometimes,

954
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:15,020
I see people, they are leaving,

955
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:16,020
but they don't have the full

956
00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:18,020
answer to the problem.

957
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:21,020
>> That's a challenge. Maybe --

958
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:26,020
>> It's topics. Now I say

959
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:27,020
topics, but if I don't have my

960
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:28,020
full answer, I would need a

961
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:29,020
second question or third

962
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:30,020
question.

963
00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:31,020
>> I think that somewhat

964
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:32,020
depended on the quality and the

965
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:33,020
clarity of the question as well,

966
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,020
I think. I'm not sure, I don't

967
00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:37,020
need to be dodging the topic

968
00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:39,020
here, but if you ask a pointed

969
00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:43,020
question, it cannot really be

970
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:48,020
avoided. I'm thinking. Just I'm

971
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:49,020
free-flowing. I'm not certain

972
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:50,020
myself. Je ne suis pas certain

973
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:51,020
moi-même.

974
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:54,020
I would have to consult with

975
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:56,020
Council as far as changes to the

976
00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:57,020
question period.

977
00:37:57,020 --> 00:38:01,080
>> So now I'm told for 15 I

978
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,080
should ask now. So I wrote a

979
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,080
letter saying I'm opposed, so

980
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,080
this is actually the first time

981
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,080
I went online and check the

982
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,080
public notices before the

983
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,080
meeting, so a few things that

984
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,080
came up, yes, of the agenda for

985
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,080
tonight.

986
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,080
So what I'm thinking is I paid a

987
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080
lot of taxes, by taxes, went up

988
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,080
a lot, and I was told it was

989
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,080
because of the real estate

990
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,080
sector -- something real estate,

991
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,080
how can we save money, the City

992
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,080
saves money, maybe I'm taxed

993
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,080
less, just like my logic, you

994
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,080
know, so for 15, it's about the

995
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,080
Valois library that, the

996
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,080
basement will be renovated for

997
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:04,040
1.7 million. So, like, that's

998
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,040
really a lot of money to

999
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,040
renovate a basement. It's a

1000
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,040
small library, two times the

1001
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,040
size of my house, and from being

1002
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,040
in that neighbourhood in the

1003
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,040
past, it's going to the daycare

1004
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,040
right beside, in then the

1005
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,040
library is closed on Tuesdays,

1006
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,040
Thursdays, and Sundays, so it's

1007
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,040
barely an operation, so I'm not

1008
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,040
sure why we're spending that

1009
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,040
kind of money for a building

1010
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,040
like this, renovating a

1011
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,040
basement. Is it better to just

1012
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,040
tear down the building and build

1013
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,040
something new, because I see the

1014
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040
company that has been, I don't

1015
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,040
know if they're hired yet, but

1016
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,040
the name of the company that's

1017
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,040
shown there, when I went online,

1018
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,040
I saw they're the ones that

1019
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,040
built the bit of the west

1020
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,040
chalet, which is very nice, so

1021
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,040
I'm sure they would do a very

1022
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,040
nice building, like, why spend

1023
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,040
that money to renovate and will

1024
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,040
building? The basement, it --

1025
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,040
>> I'm not sure, is it of a

1026
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,040
heritage interest or does it

1027
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,000
have any -- does the vow wall

1028
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
library --

1029
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000
>> It's a red brick building.

1030
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000
>> It's a building that is 100

1031
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
years old.

1032
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000
>> Yes, so there are some

1033
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,000
reasons for it. I mean, there is

1034
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
some attempt in Pointe-Claire to

1035
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
preserve overbuilding.

1036
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000
>> But that's where the water

1037
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,000
goes, in the basement.

1038
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
>> When it rains and floods,

1039
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000
that's where the water goes, in

1040
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000
the basement. The library is

1041
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
just open from 1:00, the day

1042
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
that it is open, it's open from

1043
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
1:00, so it's barely being used.

1044
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Maybe they should just close the

1045
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000
basement.

1046
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,000
>> So you would like us to close

1047
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,000
the libraries we can charge you

1048
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,000
less tax?

1049
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,000
>> Yes --

1050
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
>> There are nonprofits in the

1051
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000
basement.

1052
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
>> -- We can pay off our debt

1053
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000
also.

1054
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
>> I think it has been kept open

1055
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000
and renovated because the bulk

1056
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,000
of Pointe-Claire citizens like

1057
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000
using the library. I don't think

1058
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
it's not used. From what I

1059
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
understand, it is used, the

1060
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
building is used, as the

1061
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,000
councillors are just explaining,

1062
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,000
there are nonprofits in the

1063
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,060
basement using it, and it is a

1064
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:04,060
library, and we are fairly well

1065
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:07,060
respected for our libraries in

1066
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:08,060
Pointe-Claire, and it's been

1067
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:09,060
there an awful long time, it is

1068
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:12,060
a heritage building. Myself, I'm

1069
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:14,060
just free-flowing again, don't

1070
00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:15,060
see the justified need to

1071
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:16,060
knocking it down.

1072
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:18,060
>> I've been there quite a few

1073
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:20,060
times, there is barely anybody

1074
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:21,060
there, and as I said before,

1075
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:23,060
it's open for days a week, but

1076
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:27,060
they open at 1:00. Maybe the

1077
00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:29,060
organizations that use it can do

1078
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:31,060
something else. Anyways, it's a

1079
00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:32,060
basement, you know, it's where

1080
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:35,060
the water goes when it floods.

1081
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:36,060
If it's flooded, you will have

1082
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:38,060
to renovate the basement.

1083
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:39,060
>> Certainly if enough people

1084
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:42,060
would like us to not renew or

1085
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:45,060
renovate the Valois library, and

1086
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:46,060
enough people, there's a grand

1087
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:48,060
swell of citizens that wanted,

1088
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:49,060
we certainly will listen --

1089
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:50,060
>> Maybe we can do something

1090
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:52,060
else with the, money --

1091
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:54,060
>> I don't see that groundswell,

1092
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:55,060
I don't see the number of people

1093
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:57,060
telling us to do so, and it

1094
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:58,060
seems kind of a shame.

1095
00:41:58,060 --> 00:41:59,060
>> It just came up today, this

1096
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:00,020
is the first time we see --

1097
00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:02,020
>> We will see if we get a whole

1098
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:03,020
bunch of people that agree with

1099
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:04,020
you and come from there.

1100
00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:06,020
>> A lot of people don't keep up

1101
00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:10,020
with things. So I will talk with

1102
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:13,020
the other ones after.

1103
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:14,020
>> Do you have a second

1104
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:15,020
question?

1105
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:20,020
>> Yes. I went online and I

1106
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:27,020
checked 163 deep. I came to the

1107
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:29,020
February demolition committee

1108
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:32,020
because when the -- when my

1109
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:34,020
taxes went up, the director of

1110
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:36,020
finance told me that it's in

1111
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:38,020
relationship to the real estate

1112
00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:43,020
market. So 163 Dieppe is listed

1113
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:46,020
on -- for 1.8 million, this

1114
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:49,020
seven bedroom house, when we're

1115
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:51,020
supposed to be caring for the

1116
00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:53,020
future generations, but we're

1117
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:56,020
being told that there's urban

1118
00:42:56,020 --> 00:42:58,020
sprawl, this could be -- all

1119
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:01,080
these lots on Dieppe and -- they

1120
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,080
could've been a fourplex, you

1121
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,080
discussed this in the past.

1122
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Anyways, I don't want to rehash

1123
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,080
that. The thing was the February

1124
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,080
meeting, the demolition

1125
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,080
committee meeting, Linda the wit

1126
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,080
also came with questions and

1127
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,080
complaints, apparently this

1128
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,080
sector is supposed to be one

1129
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,080
garage per dwelling, so the

1130
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,080
dwelling is supposed to have one

1131
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,080
garage. Most of them were built

1132
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,080
with two car garage. There are a

1133
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,080
few also that I've seen a three

1134
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,080
car garage, recently, on Dieppe

1135
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,080
at the other end, close to

1136
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,080
Hastings, there is a three car

1137
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,080
garage being built.

1138
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,080
>> So your question --

1139
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,080
>> No, it's just like, why are

1140
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,080
we not following the bylaws? My

1141
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,080
question is in part, Mr.

1142
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Tremblay, you are part of the

1143
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,080
demolition committee, and Mr.

1144
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,080
Cowan, when I was here in

1145
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,040
February, when it came up, Linda

1146
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,040
Dewitt came out and said what

1147
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,040
she said, you came out 15

1148
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,040
minutes later and voted against

1149
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,040
the demolition. But now I see

1150
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,040
online there is a document that

1151
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,040
says it was voted for.

1152
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,040
>> Would Councillor Tremblay or

1153
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Councillor Cowan like to respond

1154
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,040
to madame Conway?

1155
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,040
>> If we go on the site and

1156
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,040
check 163 Dieppe, there is a

1157
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,040
public notice, and in the

1158
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,040
minutes, the minutes show that

1159
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,040
it was voted for, one in person,

1160
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,040
when we can just witnesses,

1161
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Linda Dewitt was there,.

1162
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,040
>> Can I address that? I don't

1163
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,040
recall what the sequence of

1164
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,040
events was, but I will track and

1165
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,040
find out.

1166
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,040
>> Go to the demolition, because

1167
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,040
they're asking for a two car

1168
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,040
garage and Linda Dewitt came to

1169
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,040
the mic and said the zoning for

1170
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,040
these two streets, it's supposed

1171
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,040
to be a one car garage, you

1172
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,040
left, came back, came back

1173
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,040
tenants later, and you voted

1174
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,000
against. But the minutes show

1175
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
that you voted for.

1176
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,000
>> I will do the research and

1177
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,000
find out exactly what happened.

1178
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,000
As I recall, you may remember I

1179
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000
think we deferred the decision

1180
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,000
and we came back and met after.

1181
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
>> Right, what were the minutes

1182
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000
you are talking about, the

1183
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,000
minutes of the demolition

1184
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000
committee or the council meeting

1185
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,000
that voted for it?

1186
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,000
>> On February, February 8th,

1187
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,000
the demolition committee that

1188
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,000
was here, that was held here.

1189
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
>> Yeah, I know, but when you're

1190
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,000
referring to minutes, which

1191
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,000
minutes are you referring to?

1192
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,000
>> When you go on the website,

1193
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
when you go on the website and

1194
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000
you check the address, there is

1195
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,000
a link for the minutes. - Non,

1196
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000
je le sais. Je sais. Je

1197
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
comprends la question mais je

1198
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
pense

1199
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000
(---)

1200
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
quelque chose qui avait affaire

1201
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
avec la conseil, la décision du

1202
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,000
conseil et ensuite, la décision

1203
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,060
du comité de démolition. I think

1204
00:46:04,060 --> 00:46:05,060
the best thing for us to do is

1205
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:07,060
go back, we'll have a, look

1206
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:08,060
we'll go through the minutes

1207
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:09,060
that you are talking about, and

1208
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:10,060
since Councillor Cowan as the

1209
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:12,060
chair person for that committee,

1210
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:14,060
he will be doing the work,

1211
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:15,060
correct, Brandt? But

1212
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:18,060
>> Yes.

1213
00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:19,060
>> And we will invariably get

1214
00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:21,060
back to you on how that

1215
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:22,060
transpires, house? That

1216
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:24,060
>> So in the document, in the

1217
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:27,060
middle, it just said that nobody

1218
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:29,060
wrote, nobody sent a letter

1219
00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:33,060
opposing this, but Linda DeWitt

1220
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:34,060
in my name, it's right there in

1221
00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:37,060
the middle, but there is no --

1222
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:39,060
usually in the minutes, you're

1223
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:41,060
supposed to write what the

1224
00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:43,060
person talked about.

1225
00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:45,060
- Excusez-moi, j'ai la décision

1226
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:46,060
si les yeux, si ça peut appeler

1227
00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:47,060
le conseil.

1228
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:48,060
(---)

1229
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:49,060
La décision a été favorable à

1230
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:50,060
autoriser la démolition et la

1231
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:51,060
réutilisation du sol dégagé.

1232
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:53,060
Alors oui, la décision était

1233
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:54,060
positive. Mais contrairement à

1234
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:56,060
ce que vous dites, Madame

1235
00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:58,060
Conway, dans le procès-verbal,

1236
00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:01,020
dans le rendu d'une décision, on

1237
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:02,020
ne mentionne pas le nom des

1238
00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:04,020
personnes qui sont présentes. Et

1239
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:06,020
les oppositions qui sont

1240
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:07,020
mentionnés dans l'indécision,

1241
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:09,020
c'est celles qui seront

1242
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:10,020
conformément reçues par la loi

1243
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:13,020
ou le règlement de la Ville.

1244
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:15,020
Donc dix jours avant la séance

1245
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:17,020
du comité de démolition, il y a

1246
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:18,020
un avis public qui est fait et

1247
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:21,020
les gens ont dix jours pour

1248
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:24,020
manifester leur opposition à la

1249
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:25,020
démolition. À l'heure celles qui

1250
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:29,020
sont faites séance tenante, la

1251
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:30,020
personne... le nom de la

1252
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:33,020
personne va apparaître dans le

1253
00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:34,020
procès-verbal. Mais sa position,

1254
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:36,020
son opposition, ses arguments,

1255
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:38,020
ça ne figure pas dans la

1256
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:39,020
décision.

1257
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:43,020
- C'est vrai qu'un individu

1258
00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:44,020
(---)

1259
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:45,020
au moins 10 jours d'avance?

1260
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:46,020
- Oui. Ce que la loi prévoit,

1261
00:47:46,020 --> 00:47:48,020
c'est que les citoyens ont dix

1262
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:52,020
jours pour s'adresser par écrit,

1263
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:53,020
communiquez leur opposition à la

1264
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:54,020
ville.

1265
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:57,020
- Merci.

1266
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:58,020
On the website, I don't even

1267
00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:59,020
know where to go to see, that

1268
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,080
the demolition committee

1269
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,080
meetings and what's going to be

1270
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,080
talked about. The only way I

1271
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,080
knew about this was from social

1272
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,080
media, so I don't -- even

1273
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,080
finding documents on the

1274
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,080
website, it's not easy. But

1275
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,080
where do we see that? The

1276
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,080
demolition committee meetings

1277
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,080
for all the addresses that are

1278
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,080
applying for demolition, where

1279
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,080
do we see that? But

1280
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,080
>> Are you talking about future

1281
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,080
[Inaudible]

1282
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,080
>> Yes.

1283
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,080
>> First of, all any demolition

1284
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,080
meeting, any property that's up

1285
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,080
for demolition, they have to put

1286
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,080
up a sign in front of the

1287
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,080
property ten days in advance of

1288
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:40,080
the meeting. There is also a

1289
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,080
public notice, another public

1290
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,080
notice in the newspaper, just on

1291
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,080
the website, for the demolition

1292
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Committee meeting.

1293
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,080
>> I don't see that.

1294
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,080
>> And the, minutes you can get

1295
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,080
the minutes of the meeting at

1296
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,080
Council, follow down the council

1297
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,080
meetings, then you have

1298
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,080
Demolition Committee, you can

1299
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,080
pull up the old minutes there.

1300
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,040
>> I don't know how to reach

1301
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,040
that link. Whenever something

1302
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,040
called minutes, it's not really

1303
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,040
this person said this, this

1304
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,040
person said, that but you say

1305
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,040
they put the notes up ten days

1306
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,040
before, but they say you have to

1307
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,040
do your complaint ten days

1308
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,040
before?

1309
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040
>> No, within the ten days, you

1310
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,040
have to -- you have to send your

1311
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,040
opinion if you want to within

1312
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,040
the ten days before the meeting.

1313
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,040
But

1314
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,040
>> I mean, we don't go on every

1315
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,040
street to see if there's a

1316
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,040
notice being put up, how do we

1317
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,040
know about the --

1318
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,040
>> It's on the website.

1319
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,040
>> I don't see it.

1320
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,040
>> Well, right now it will be,

1321
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,040
because there's no property up

1322
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,040
for demolition right now.

1323
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,040
>> It's going to be on the

1324
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,040
council page?

1325
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,040
>> Yeah, under that menu

1326
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,040
heading, that many button.

1327
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:51,040
>> Yes.

1328
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,040
- Madame Conway, je peux vous le

1329
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,040
montrer après.

1330
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,040
- Merci, Madame Conway. >> Nasr

1331
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,040
El Dabee?

1332
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,000
>> Good evening. I know everyone

1333
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,000
is doing well. I'm talking about

1334
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,000
a statistic about flooding,

1335
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,000
because I have here -- 96 is

1336
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,000
about 134 centimetres of rain,

1337
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,000
that is November 1996. So before

1338
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,000
they did any renovation or

1339
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
anything, made -- for the sewer

1340
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
system, we didn't have any

1341
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000
flood. And we didn't have any

1342
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,000
sewer backup. And it's almost

1343
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,000
the same thing what has happened

1344
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,000
in the August 9th, we had flood,

1345
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,000
sewer backup, and everywhere in

1346
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Pointe-Claire. The difference,

1347
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,060
because I live here in

1348
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:02,060
Pointe-Claire since 93, the

1349
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:07,060
reason for the -- in 96, we have

1350
00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:11,060
a lot of all Greenland that

1351
00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:13,060
absorb the rain. We don't have

1352
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:14,060
all these high rise building and

1353
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:17,060
all these condo, and this is

1354
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:20,060
about more than 3000 apartments.

1355
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:22,060
Do you think where is all this

1356
00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:24,060
waste of water goes? It goes to

1357
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:26,060
the sewer. That's why we have

1358
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:29,060
all the flood everywhere in

1359
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:30,060
Pointe-Claire. And when we're

1360
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:32,060
talking always all the time

1361
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:34,060
about, you know, infrastructure

1362
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:38,060
and a care about it, and we stop

1363
00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:39,060
building all these high-rise

1364
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:40,060
buildings in case they fix all

1365
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:45,060
the infrastructure, are also our

1366
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:46,060
insurance for all of us is going

1367
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:50,060
to be increased badly. Also,

1368
00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:53,060
some houses are not able to get

1369
00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:55,060
any insurance because if they

1370
00:51:55,060 --> 00:52:00,020
flooded three times. So the only

1371
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:02,020
people that benefit from that is

1372
00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:07,020
the developer and the politician

1373
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:12,020
supporting them. All -- in

1374
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:14,020
Pointe-Claire is what you're

1375
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:16,020
gonna pay for that, for cleanup

1376
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:19,020
and renovation, replacement of

1377
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:24,020
-- so please, can we use older

1378
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:27,020
parking lot, old asphalt, and

1379
00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:28,020
instead of building a high-rise

1380
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:30,020
building, to have it as a

1381
00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:33,020
Greenland to absorb all the

1382
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:34,020
water, and in the spring, to

1383
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:38,020
also observe all the snow and

1384
00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:42,020
ice melt. So what is exactly --

1385
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:44,020
I heard already your letter,

1386
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:48,020
what exactly the city is

1387
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:50,020
honestly, City of Pointe-Claire,

1388
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:51,020
going to do? Because that's the

1389
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:52,020
kind of weather we are going to

1390
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:55,020
have. That's the future. Because

1391
00:52:55,020 --> 00:52:59,020
all of us who forget about the

1392
00:52:59,020 --> 00:53:02,080
environment and only about the

1393
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:07,080
economy. So what is the solution

1394
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,080
and when is Pointe-Claire going

1395
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,080
to be serious to avoid or limit

1396
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,080
what is going on in the future?

1397
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,080
>> Well, I will reach back a

1398
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,080
section of what I just read

1399
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,080
earlier. Going forward, we can

1400
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,080
ensure that parks and streets

1401
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,080
are built in ways to absorb a

1402
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,080
runoff that would otherwise and

1403
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,080
up in residential basements. We

1404
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,080
can ensure that all future

1405
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,080
development projects fully

1406
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,080
respect the need to present --

1407
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,080
prevent runoff in the existing

1408
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,080
neighbourhood where they are

1409
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,080
planned to build. We must

1410
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,080
obviously ensure that wetlands

1411
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,080
are never cut and developed for

1412
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,080
exactly these reasons, and we

1413
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,080
can explore the use of

1414
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,080
absorption methods by permeable

1415
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,080
payments also designed to

1416
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,080
prevent runoff, not to mention

1417
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,080
all the things we can do as a

1418
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,080
city to prevent climate change

1419
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,080
or do our best, you know,

1420
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,080
natural gardens, looking after

1421
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,040
our water, our shoreline, solar

1422
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,040
panneling on our industrial --

1423
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,040
we can do lots of stuff to get

1424
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,040
the cause of the problem. The

1425
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,040
events themselves and how to

1426
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,040
mitigate against it, I share

1427
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,040
with you, some of as I've

1428
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,040
written, I share with you and I

1429
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,040
believe, ironically, the

1430
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,040
gentlemen, Mr. -- is

1431
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,040
experiencing potentially, we're

1432
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,040
not sure, but from a

1433
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,040
construction project, may be

1434
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,040
suffering a water effects on the

1435
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,040
project. There is a house on the

1436
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,040
presently I know of where there

1437
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,040
is a similar claim. The citizens

1438
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,040
of Alston have made that claim

1439
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,040
for many many years. So as a

1440
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,040
city we can absolutely can going

1441
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,040
forward and make sure that we

1442
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,040
are more aware of potential

1443
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,040
water events and how we can

1444
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,040
mitigate against them. But this

1445
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,040
last one overwhelmed our system,

1446
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,040
and that was -- and you're

1447
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,040
right, if you have all natural

1448
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,040
spaces with no asphalt and no

1449
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,000
cement, water gets absorbed. If

1450
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,000
water is not allowed to absorb

1451
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
into the land, it eventually has

1452
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,000
to go somewhere. And so, we are

1453
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,000
dealing with that as a city. So

1454
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
your point is well taken, and

1455
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
going forward, those of us who

1456
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,000
are planning cities have to bear

1457
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,000
that in mind 100%. And I agree

1458
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000
with you, I concur with you.

1459
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,000
>> I hope really --

1460
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,000
>> Councillor Stork would like

1461
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,000
to add on to that response.

1462
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,000
>> Yes, please. I think we have

1463
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,000
to get some information more

1464
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000
accurate here. When we talk

1465
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,000
about a lot of the industrial

1466
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,000
buildings, say -- on Hymus

1467
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,000
between Stillview to St. John's,

1468
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,000
these are large industrial

1469
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,000
buildings with pretty much 0%

1470
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,000
green space. And this is not for

1471
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000
or against high-rise buildings,

1472
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
these are just facts. So

1473
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
primarily, they had zero green

1474
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,000
space, maybe 83, four foot

1475
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
setback in the front. Those

1476
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
parking lots, a, there was no

1477
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000
green space. B, there is no

1478
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,060
runoff bylaws when those are

1479
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:04,060
built. So the buildings that are

1480
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:05,060
built there now, depending on

1481
00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:07,060
the project, if I think of 275,

1482
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:10,060
ice think of 62% green space.

1483
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:12,060
The one next door was 38% green

1484
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:13,060
space. So we actually got a

1485
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:15,060
green space to our industrial

1486
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:17,060
area. Secondly, when these new

1487
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:18,060
buildings are built with their

1488
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:21,060
parking lots, they are mandated

1489
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:23,060
to provincial legislation to

1490
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:24,060
limit the amount of runoff into

1491
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:26,060
our sewer systems, so they have

1492
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:28,060
to create actual catch basins

1493
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:30,060
below their parking lots to

1494
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:31,060
limit the amount of runoff into

1495
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:33,060
our sewer systems. It is explain

1496
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:34,060
to us recently at a meeting

1497
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:36,060
where we were all present

1498
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:38,060
describing this, and the

1499
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:39,060
variable they used, it was a

1500
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:41,060
number of 30, of the runoff that

1501
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:43,060
was previously allowed on a new

1502
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:44,060
product, the new parking, went

1503
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:46,060
into the sewer system. They

1504
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:48,060
reduced that to ten, millimeters

1505
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:49,060
per, hour I have no idea. So

1506
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:52,060
they've taken concrete exams to

1507
00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:53,060
avoid a runoff, because as mayor

1508
00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:55,060
Thomas mentioned, it was just a

1509
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:56,060
delusion. It was not the total

1510
00:56:56,060 --> 00:56:57,060
rainfall, it was the sheer

1511
00:56:57,060 --> 00:56:59,060
amount. At 6:30 when we got that

1512
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:02,020
second wave, all Hell broke

1513
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:03,020
loose. So to your point, those

1514
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:05,020
buildings along Hymus that were

1515
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:08,020
built, the rentals, some condos,

1516
00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:10,020
have actually increased the

1517
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:12,020
green space presents, not taken

1518
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:13,020
it away.

1519
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:14,020
>> Yeah, but I'm talking about

1520
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:16,020
all the apartment, where is that

1521
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:17,020
wastewater going? It's going to

1522
00:57:17,020 --> 00:57:19,020
the sewer, because as I tell

1523
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:22,020
you, in May would, in 1960, we

1524
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:23,020
didn't have -- we still had the

1525
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:26,020
old sewer. It was a small pipe.

1526
00:57:26,020 --> 00:57:30,020
And I saw them. The pipes when

1527
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:32,020
they built it, it was almost

1528
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:34,020
more than eight feet high. But

1529
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:37,020
even that would get all that --

1530
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:40,020
>> My answer would be simple. If

1531
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:42,020
it was an old existing parking

1532
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:45,020
lot with no percentage of green

1533
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:47,020
spaces for us as a building that

1534
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:49,020
eight, ten, 12 storeys high,

1535
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:51,020
with the green space, the rain

1536
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:53,020
falls at the same ratio, at the

1537
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:54,020
same amount, at the same time at

1538
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:58,020
the common area. So I can't

1539
00:57:58,020 --> 00:58:00,080
equate. That.

1540
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,080
>> I understand what you're

1541
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,080
saying, but all the wastewater

1542
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,080
from these apartments, where it

1543
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,080
goes, it goes to the sewer.

1544
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,080
>> It's the same amount of water

1545
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,080
whether there be a building

1546
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,080
there or a parking lot, it's the

1547
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,080
same amount of water.

1548
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:18,080
>> I hope we create more green

1549
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,080
land and we stop these high

1550
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
rates building until we fix the

1551
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,080
infrastructure because all what

1552
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:28,080
you want to build our all dry

1553
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,080
any asphalt, you want to put

1554
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,080
high rise building and --

1555
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,080
Greenland to absorb all the

1556
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,080
water and filter the water from

1557
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,080
the source. You know, we have to

1558
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,080
focus on the reality. I'm

1559
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,080
telling you since 93, I know the

1560
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,080
difference between 96 and August

1561
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,080
9th. Please.

1562
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,080
>> Okay, I hear you, Mister Nasr

1563
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,080
El Dabee, do you have a second

1564
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,080
question?

1565
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,080
>> Yes, my second question, what

1566
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,080
is it going to be for replacing

1567
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,040
the medical care that's on Hymus

1568
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,040
and sunshine? This is going to

1569
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,040
be for Pointe-Claire citizens or

1570
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:11,040
for everybody? Making it clear

1571
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,040
what's --

1572
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,040
>> That's a very good question.

1573
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,040
I am not sure on that one, I

1574
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,040
think everybody, I would think.

1575
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,040
It's west island wide or

1576
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,040
citywide, Québec wide.

1577
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,040
>> -- Priority for Pointe-Claire

1578
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,040
citizens?

1579
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,040
>> No but their proximity might

1580
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,040
help them. I mean, you would

1581
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,040
think they could get in there

1582
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,040
sooner.

1583
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,040
>> And also please, I think

1584
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,040
you're talking about opening may

1585
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,040
would to Hymus. It's impossible.

1586
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,040
It's going to be a highway. May

1587
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,040
what is going to be a highway.

1588
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,040
You know, it's already a very

1589
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,040
tiny street.

1590
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,040
>> Not necessarily May would. I

1591
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,040
mean, --

1592
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,040
>> I live on May would, I know

1593
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,040
what's going on. So please, you

1594
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,040
know?

1595
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,040
>> Well, -- it's a challenge to,

1596
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,040
so the entire flow in and out of

1597
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,040
that project is going to be very

1598
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,040
interesting and we are very much

1599
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,000
aware of the need to pay

1600
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,000
attention to that because I

1601
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000
don't see an easy solution to

1602
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,000
that and neither does Councillor

1603
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,000
Stork. So, you're absolutely

1604
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,000
right, we have to pay attention

1605
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,000
to that big time.

1606
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,000
>> So thank you, I hope everyone

1607
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,000
is working together for the

1608
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,000
environment and to help each

1609
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,000
other to not have these crises

1610
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,000
because -- please, that's

1611
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,000
exactly what we have. Thank you

1612
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
and God bless you to work

1613
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,000
altogether.

1614
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,000
>> One thing I would like to

1615
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,000
sort of reiterate and concur

1616
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,000
with the overall point you're

1617
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,000
making is that when you have a

1618
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,000
city, when you're developing or

1619
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,000
putting down asphalt or cement,

1620
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,000
you rely on your sewage system

1621
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,000
to absorb water overflow. When

1622
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000
you have undeveloped land, it

1623
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,000
absorbs water naturally. It does

1624
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,000
not overwhelm your sewage

1625
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,000
system. So, it's not a bad thing

1626
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
to have undeveloped land on

1627
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,000
occasion because it absorbs, we

1628
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000
protect wetlands. Because they

1629
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
absorb and they are the best

1630
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,000
protection against flooding. So,

1631
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,060
I hear what you're saying in an

1632
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:01,060
overall picture, I hear loud and

1633
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:03,060
clear what you're saying.

1634
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:04,060
>> Thank you.

1635
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:07,060
>> Thank you.

1636
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:09,060
>> Nikki Fournier?

1637
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:19,060
>> Good evening. -- Subject 575.

1638
01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:22,060
The old folks home is something

1639
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:25,060
that's needed in the West

1640
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:26,060
Island. It's a bit upsetting

1641
01:01:26,060 --> 01:01:28,060
with the question that was just

1642
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:30,060
asked that Pointe-Claire will

1643
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:33,060
not have -- to be able to send

1644
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:36,060
people there, being a Québec

1645
01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:38,060
project so people can come from

1646
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:41,060
all over the place from the West

1647
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:42,060
Island, I find that's

1648
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:44,060
incredible. To, if we are

1649
01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:46,060
responsible as a city for the

1650
01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:48,060
traffic flow that will be around

1651
01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:51,060
that place, will we also be

1652
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:54,060
responsible for the cost of the

1653
01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:58,060
lights that might be put at

1654
01:01:58,060 --> 01:02:00,020
Chester for any other signage

1655
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:04,020
that will be put on other

1656
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:07,020
streets? Is the province not

1657
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:08,020
paying for these things or are

1658
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:10,020
they just paying for the

1659
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:11,020
building itself?

1660
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:14,020
>> That's a good question.

1661
01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:17,020
Madame Verdun?

1662
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:18,020
- Verdon?

1663
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:21,020
>> The man that the -- has for

1664
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:23,020
now is building the project

1665
01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:25,020
itself. This is the information

1666
01:02:25,020 --> 01:02:27,020
that we have, so for now, all

1667
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:30,020
the order costs would be -- the

1668
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:32,020
City. But we are still in

1669
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:34,020
discussion with them.

1670
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:37,020
>> Okay, when we say we are in

1671
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:38,020
discussion, that's certainly not

1672
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:41,020
the citizens. Who in the city is

1673
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:42,020
talking to them?

1674
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:43,020
>> It's the administration

1675
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:44,020
that's talking to them but we

1676
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:45,020
don't have a lot of leverage

1677
01:02:45,020 --> 01:02:48,020
because they are all decreed, so

1678
01:02:48,020 --> 01:02:49,020
right now, you know, we still

1679
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:51,020
have -- for now, the mandate

1680
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:53,020
they have is the building

1681
01:02:53,020 --> 01:02:54,020
itself, that's it.

1682
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:57,020
>> I hope you're putting

1683
01:02:57,020 --> 01:02:59,020
pressure. That building is

1684
01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:01,080
needed. We all agree to that. I

1685
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,080
would love for it to be

1686
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,080
somewhere else, not just because

1687
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,080
they will impede on my daily

1688
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,080
life, but I don't think it's the

1689
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,080
right place for that building to

1690
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,080
be. There are other places in

1691
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,080
Pointe-Claire where they're more

1692
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,080
easily accessible, where not a

1693
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,080
lot of money will be spent to

1694
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,080
make new lights, to make new

1695
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,080
streets, to make whatever. And I

1696
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,080
would hope that we can have some

1697
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,080
pressure from someone, not just

1698
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:33,080
one person, but to help the city

1699
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,080
or to talk and sit with the

1700
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,080
government. Many of us have

1701
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,080
reached out directly to the

1702
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,080
government but they all send us

1703
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,080
back a form letter and it's

1704
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,080
like, we don't count. Can we

1705
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,080
not, as a city, put pressure

1706
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,080
that this building should be put

1707
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,080
in a different place? It's not

1708
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,080
the place for that building. How

1709
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,080
do we go about making sure that

1710
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,080
happens?

1711
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,040
>> Madam Fournier, with all due

1712
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,040
respect, it was not the place

1713
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,040
for the large condo development

1714
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,040
either.

1715
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,040
>> And we won that!

1716
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,040
>> Well, no, but that wasn't

1717
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,040
one, that was postponed by the

1718
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:12,040
new project. There was, go

1719
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,040
ahead, Councillor Stork.

1720
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:20,040
>> I mean, the project was -- it

1721
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,040
was stopped, as she just

1722
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,040
inferred.

1723
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,040
>> Without a court decision.

1724
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,040
There was no court decision, so

1725
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,040
that project was not solved or

1726
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,040
one. The victory would be the

1727
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,040
court decision but we know, we

1728
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,040
have no idea which way that

1729
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,040
court was going to decide on

1730
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,040
that one. So, it was not one.

1731
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,040
>> That project is gone.

1732
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,040
>> It wasn't gone, so, you know,

1733
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,040
in many ways, it is a lesser of

1734
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,040
two evils. In many ways. And we

1735
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,040
can't speak for the provincial

1736
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,040
government right now. They made

1737
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,040
their decision.

1738
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,040
>> But now we are stuck --

1739
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,040
>> Excuse me, excuse me. We

1740
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,040
can't speak for them, they made

1741
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,040
the decision based on their own

1742
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,000
research. They researched and

1743
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,000
decided on that site. They, and

1744
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,000
their professional capacity,

1745
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,000
decided that was the site they

1746
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,000
chose and they went ahead and

1747
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,000
expropriated and built. They are

1748
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,000
building it and we are aware of

1749
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,000
the traffic issues. And are

1750
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,000
trying to deal with them. We

1751
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,000
have little or no say as to how

1752
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000
the project will go up and the

1753
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,000
timeframe. We can do our best to

1754
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
monitor it and speak for the

1755
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,000
citizens of Pointe-Claire in the

1756
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000
traffic flow, absolutely. And we

1757
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000
will.

1758
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,000
>> Who's going to pay for them?

1759
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,000
>> We are paying for the lights,

1760
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,000
apparently. Paying for the

1761
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
project.

1762
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:44,000
>> That's a lot of money.

1763
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,000
>> It's a higher level of

1764
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,000
government. Madam Fournier.

1765
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,000
That's how it works.

1766
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,000
>> They can take it and, you

1767
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,000
know what? Have a good evening.

1768
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,000
>> Okay, Monique --

1769
01:06:05,060 --> 01:06:07,060
>> Good evening, everybody, this

1770
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:08,060
is my first time as well so I'm

1771
01:06:08,060 --> 01:06:10,060
very happy to be a participating

1772
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:12,060
in this bureaucratic event.

1773
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:13,060
>> Welcome.

1774
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:16,060
>> I was reassured by Mr. Cohen

1775
01:06:16,060 --> 01:06:18,060
the first mention about the fact

1776
01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:20,060
that there was a study going on,

1777
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:22,060
you're assessing what the costs,

1778
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:23,060
potential causes of the flood

1779
01:06:23,060 --> 01:06:26,060
that we had and why the sewer

1780
01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:27,060
system seems to have locked

1781
01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:29,060
because of all these issues. My

1782
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:30,060
first question will be to say

1783
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:32,060
once we reach her conclusion, is

1784
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:35,060
that report somehow going to be

1785
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:37,060
circulated with the citizens?

1786
01:06:37,060 --> 01:06:38,060
Because I think it would be very

1787
01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:39,060
reassuring for us to know that

1788
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:42,060
this study is going on and also

1789
01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:43,060
what the conclusions of that

1790
01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:44,060
study would be, how we can

1791
01:06:44,060 --> 01:06:45,060
prepare and what the City will

1792
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:47,060
be doing in terms of mitigation

1793
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:50,060
as well as, you know, corrective

1794
01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:52,060
actions.

1795
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:54,060
>> Just to correct, use the word

1796
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:56,060
study -- it's not an actual

1797
01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:58,060
study. What's going on is the

1798
01:06:58,060 --> 01:07:00,020
data is being collected,

1799
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:03,020
reviewed, and with the aim of

1800
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:05,020
lessons learned being derived

1801
01:07:05,020 --> 01:07:08,020
from that. Some recommendations

1802
01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:09,020
going forward, so it's not like

1803
01:07:09,020 --> 01:07:11,020
when you say the word study, it

1804
01:07:11,020 --> 01:07:13,020
makes it sound like we've set

1805
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:14,020
aside money, we've convinced

1806
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:15,020
commissioned a group and that's

1807
01:07:15,020 --> 01:07:17,020
not it. It's a question of

1808
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:18,020
gathering information around the

1809
01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:22,020
city and reviewing what is

1810
01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:25,020
gathered. Now, I'm on the

1811
01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:26,020
emergency Planning Committee but

1812
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:27,020
I'm not the chairman of it. I

1813
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:29,020
just bought it, so I will

1814
01:07:29,020 --> 01:07:30,020
agitate that we meet to discuss

1815
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:32,020
this. That's what I can do.

1816
01:07:32,020 --> 01:07:34,020
>> Okay what whatever the

1817
01:07:34,020 --> 01:07:35,020
function, whatever the means

1818
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:36,020
become, I think it would be

1819
01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:38,020
important, in my opinion as a

1820
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:39,020
citizen here and I'm calling on

1821
01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:40,020
the council to let us know what

1822
01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:42,020
it is. I think we have the right

1823
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:44,020
to know with our taxes, we're

1824
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:45,020
happy to live in Pointe-Claire.

1825
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:46,020
We're also happy to be part of

1826
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:48,020
the solution if we can be,

1827
01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:49,020
absolutely.

1828
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:51,020
>> We have very much in mind

1829
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:52,020
putting something together a

1830
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:55,020
plan or a publication in the

1831
01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:57,020
future for citizens, related to

1832
01:07:57,020 --> 01:07:58,020
these events. We have talked

1833
01:07:58,020 --> 01:08:01,080
about that. That idea has been

1834
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,080
bandied around and I think it's

1835
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,080
a very good idea. I think we can

1836
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,080
we, are capable of it.

1837
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,080
>> That would be great.

1838
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,080
>> Your point is well taken.

1839
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:10,080
>> I cannot overstate the

1840
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,080
importance of communication and

1841
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,080
on that subject, I must say that

1842
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,080
I was very disappointed. I know

1843
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,080
the employees of the city have

1844
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:18,080
done all their best, you know?

1845
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,080
To help us on the 9th of August

1846
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,080
but I find that the phone lines

1847
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,080
were down, I called and I know

1848
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,080
how many times and they were

1849
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,080
saying, you know, stay on the

1850
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,080
line, your call is important to

1851
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,080
us and, you know, it clicks. How

1852
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,080
come we didn't see any

1853
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,080
policeman? We didn't see any

1854
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,080
firemen, didn't see any rescue.

1855
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,080
I live on -- we had the lake

1856
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,080
Queen in front of my house. We

1857
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,080
can baptize it that way, it was

1858
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,080
really, really bad. I haven't

1859
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,080
seen a soul on my street. Not

1860
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,080
the day of, not the day after.

1861
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,080
No communication whatsoever. It

1862
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,080
was okay, coincidence that the

1863
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,080
Olympics happened at the same

1864
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,080
time and we're all writing about

1865
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,080
that, that's great. But what

1866
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,080
about the scent of, you know,

1867
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,080
what's going on guys, in the

1868
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,080
city? I know people are

1869
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,080
distressed, we can't

1870
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,040
underestimate also the

1871
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,040
psychological stress of

1872
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,040
flooding. Now we see rain and we

1873
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,040
are like shucks, are we going to

1874
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,040
have rain again in the basement,

1875
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,040
you know? I think we have to

1876
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,040
think about that so

1877
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,040
communication is super important

1878
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,040
on that. That's what I meant.

1879
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,040
Can I make a second point?

1880
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,040
>> That's actually the second.

1881
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,040
>> Sorry.

1882
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,040
>> It was the manual and the

1883
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,040
study was the first one.

1884
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,040
>> Sorry, next time.

1885
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,040
>> If I could just speak to it,

1886
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,040
I mean, I will allow a third if

1887
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:30,040
you would like but in fairness

1888
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,040
to the police and the emergency

1889
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,040
services, they were, I'm sure,

1890
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,040
pretty busy. And probably

1891
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,040
looking after road works and

1892
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,040
people trapped on the highways.

1893
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,040
You know, it was so bad that

1894
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,040
everybody was affected and I

1895
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,040
think they were just picking the

1896
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,040
worst-case scenario and dealing

1897
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,040
with it. I don't know

1898
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,040
specifically but I'm pretty sure

1899
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,040
that was what was occurring, in

1900
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,040
fairness to them. And it was

1901
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,040
pretty horrendous because it got

1902
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,000
everywhere.

1903
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
>> I know, it was, yeah. But we

1904
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,000
have an alert system, you know?

1905
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,000
Through our phones.

1906
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,000
>> Yeah, the phone system was a

1907
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,000
problem. I mean, people were put

1908
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,000
on hold and then it was

1909
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,000
disconnected. And that happened,

1910
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,000
I heard that a lot. The system

1911
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,000
was simply overwhelmed, much

1912
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,000
like the sewage system, the

1913
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,000
communications system was

1914
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,000
overwhelmed. Which has to be

1915
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,000
dealt with going forward as

1916
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,000
well, you know? Absolutely,

1917
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,000
we've got to find technological

1918
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,000
systems that will handle that.,

1919
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,000
The oncoming crisis.

1920
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,000
>> Mister Mayor -- we've all

1921
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
been asked what phone number

1922
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,000
would you like to be called it

1923
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,000
if there is an emergency or

1924
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,000
something like that. Maybe just

1925
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
a small message on there to say

1926
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,000
okay, we know what's going on,

1927
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,000
all of our, you know, everybody

1928
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,000
is deployed. We know there's a

1929
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000
problem on Donegani, it's

1930
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000
backing up or something, --

1931
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000
really much in the dark. Will

1932
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,000
you allow me a third question?

1933
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,000
>> Okay, fire away.

1934
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,000
>> Can I just add one thing? I

1935
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,000
would like to let you know that

1936
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,000
Public, Pointe-Claire volunteer

1937
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,000
rescue and -- security responded

1938
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,000
to well over 100 calls that

1939
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000
evening and into the next day,

1940
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,060
and those who we knew needed to

1941
01:11:00,060 --> 01:11:02,060
go to different areas, we were

1942
01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:03,060
dispatching as much as possible.

1943
01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:05,060
I just want to reassure that --

1944
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:07,060
>> I trust that -- could be done

1945
01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:08,060
but whenever you're in the

1946
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:09,060
situation --

1947
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:11,060
>> No, absolutely. It's just

1948
01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:12,060
because it all happened at once

1949
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:13,060
and the phone lines crash

1950
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:15,060
because it was everyone, as you

1951
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:17,060
said, there is a lot of

1952
01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:18,060
distress. The psychological

1953
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:20,060
distress is continuing on, no

1954
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:22,060
doubt. It's their.

1955
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:24,060
>> It is, for sure.

1956
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:25,060
>> The stats on Pointe-Claire

1957
01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:28,060
volunteer rescue on I think was

1958
01:11:28,060 --> 01:11:30,060
77 calls that the handle that

1959
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:32,060
night which is pretty darn good.

1960
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:33,060
>> That's a lot, for sure.

1961
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:34,060
>> So, your third?

1962
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:36,060
>> I guess it's related. I don't

1963
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:38,060
know what to do about the

1964
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:39,060
ditches that we have in our

1965
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:41,060
backyards and some of them, for

1966
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:42,060
some reason, recently, I would

1967
01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:44,060
say about two, three years, it

1968
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:45,060
seems like I don't know if

1969
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:48,060
people are just -- round or

1970
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:50,060
whatever, but now we are

1971
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:52,060
flooding in our backyards and

1972
01:11:52,060 --> 01:11:54,060
our neighbours also flooding.

1973
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:56,060
And we are told, this is not the

1974
01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:58,060
city, this is Montréal. So, I

1975
01:11:58,060 --> 01:11:59,060
don't know about that.

1976
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:01,020
>> What's Montréal?

1977
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:03,020
>> The City of Montréal would be

1978
01:12:03,020 --> 01:12:04,020
responsible for the backyard

1979
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:05,020
dishes. Is that correct?

1980
01:12:05,020 --> 01:12:07,020
>> That's a good question, I'm

1981
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:09,020
not sure. Madame Verdon.

1982
01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:10,020
>> It depends. I would really

1983
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:12,020
need to have your address after

1984
01:12:12,020 --> 01:12:14,020
and talk about it because it's a

1985
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:18,020
personal case. Some of the ditch

1986
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:19,020
is the responsibility of

1987
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:22,020
citizens. Some of them is -- we

1988
01:12:22,020 --> 01:12:24,020
have to look, you know?

1989
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:25,020
>> Okay so I can consult you and

1990
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:27,020
you can let us know and maybe

1991
01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:28,020
what we can do about it,

1992
01:12:28,020 --> 01:12:29,020
basically?

1993
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:30,020
>> Yeah but, you know, you can

1994
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:31,020
send an email directly to

1995
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:32,020
administration with your address

1996
01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:34,020
so we can look at your personal

1997
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:35,020
case.

1998
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:36,020
>> Okay, sounds good, well thank

1999
01:12:36,020 --> 01:12:37,020
you very much.

2000
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:39,020
>> Thank you. I hope you enjoyed

2001
01:12:39,020 --> 01:12:44,020
your first visit. Kim lions?

2002
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:48,020
>> Good evening. Simple

2003
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:53,020
question. When I go over the

2004
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:55,020
overpass St. John and the

2005
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:57,020
Trans-Canada coming south, the

2006
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:59,020
middle lane has some crumbling

2007
01:12:59,020 --> 01:13:02,080
in it. There's a small pothole

2008
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,080
but every time you go there,

2009
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,080
bang. And you look at it, it

2010
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,080
seems that the concrete

2011
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,080
underneath is cracked. What I

2012
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,080
don't understand is that we know

2013
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,080
how much it costs to replace one

2014
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,080
of those overpasses. Why in the

2015
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,080
heck are the city who's

2016
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,080
responsible for the asphalt on

2017
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,080
top doesn't make sure that it's

2018
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,080
always tight? Doesn't let any

2019
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,080
liquid leakage go below? Because

2020
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,080
with that, we know what happens.

2021
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,080
Water gets in and in the

2022
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:35,080
wintertime, corrosion and then

2023
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,080
you have to replace a whole

2024
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,080
bloody thing. Imagine the

2025
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,080
disaster of closing the whole

2026
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,080
thing down to replace it. So, my

2027
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,080
question is, why can't public

2028
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,080
works be always on the lookout

2029
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,080
and the state of the overpasses?

2030
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,080
>> They are.

2031
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,080
>> Well, how come that's been

2032
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,080
there for three weeks?

2033
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:56,080
>> They're working to the best

2034
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,080
of their abilities.

2035
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,080
>> Three weeks, it's been there.

2036
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,040
>> It's their professional call

2037
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,040
and they're working on

2038
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,040
priorities that they're aware

2039
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,040
of, and doing the best they can

2040
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,040
with all kinds of problems. I

2041
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,040
mean, I've seen, we had a map of

2042
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,040
how many potholes and how many

2043
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,040
dangerous situations they have

2044
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,040
plugged in the last half year

2045
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,040
and it is amazing how much work

2046
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,040
they've done. So, they're way

2047
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,040
behind and they're doing their

2048
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,040
best to correct all of these

2049
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,040
problems, and they are out

2050
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,040
there. They're well aware of

2051
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,040
them and they're working to

2052
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,040
their capacity.

2053
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,040
>> I'm not disputing what you're

2054
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,040
saying. It's a question of

2055
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,040
priorities. You know, because

2056
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,040
the impact of not doing it is

2057
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,040
going to be severe. That's the

2058
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,040
one thing.

2059
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:39,040
>> Yeah.

2060
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,040
>> The other thing is actually a

2061
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,040
compliment towards the City.

2062
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:48,040
When you go down holiday, going

2063
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,040
east, it's beautiful. You know,

2064
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,040
all the plants, the median in

2065
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,040
between, the flowers in there,

2066
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,040
they're really, very nice. You

2067
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,000
know, I like with the city has

2068
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,000
done, like their past and all

2069
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,000
that. It makes it far more

2070
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,000
pleasant than just having, you

2071
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,000
know, like green grass or

2072
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,000
something like that. That's

2073
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,000
essentially it, thank you.

2074
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,000
>> Well, thank you for that

2075
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,000
comment and you're not alone in

2076
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,000
saying that. I was at a couple

2077
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,000
of events last week and had

2078
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,000
someone pulled me aside and say

2079
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,000
pretty much the same thing, but

2080
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,000
it's a citywide thing and the

2081
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,000
last few years, horticulturally,

2082
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,000
we really upped our game and

2083
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,000
that's got to be passed on

2084
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000
through the administration.

2085
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,000
Whoever is responsible that

2086
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,000
there has been a marked

2087
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,000
improvement in the last three

2088
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,000
years or so, or I don't know the

2089
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,000
exact timeframe but citizens

2090
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,000
have been noticing and I always

2091
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,000
post them on my Facebook page

2092
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,000
to. I think they're amazing, a

2093
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,000
lot of work they did.

2094
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
>> Thank you.

2095
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:49,000
>> Thank you. Danielle

2096
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,000
competency. --

2097
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:06,060
Danielle Montpetit.

2098
01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:08,060
>>

2099
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:09,060
- Bonsoir, tout le monde, Daniel

2100
01:16:09,060 --> 01:16:10,060
Montpetit. J'aimerais juste

2101
01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:13,060
faire un commentaire, quand on a

2102
01:16:13,060 --> 01:16:14,060
commencé la session, vous avez

2103
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:15,060
demandé à parler tout le monde.

2104
01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:17,060
Vous avez juste parlé en

2105
01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:18,060
anglais. Ce serait bon de parler

2106
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:20,060
dans les deux langues s'il vous

2107
01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:23,060
plaît.

2108
01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:24,060
(inaudible)

2109
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:25,060
Une coupe de commentaires en

2110
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:26,060
français, je me souviens, c'est

2111
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:29,060
monsieur Stork. Pas tout en

2112
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:31,060
français, c'est correct, ma

2113
01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:32,060
femme est anglaise, elle va me

2114
01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:33,060
chicaner tout à l'heure mais

2115
01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:34,060
c'est pas grave.

2116
01:16:34,060 --> 01:16:35,060
(rires)

2117
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:36,060
(rires)

2118
01:16:36,060 --> 01:16:38,060
. Bonjour. Moi, je viens parce

2119
01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:40,060
qu'encore, sur la rue brodée, où

2120
01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:41,060
on a des maisons neuves qui vont

2121
01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:44,060
se bâtir. Mais là, au 46

2122
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:53,060
Broadview, on a engagé un

2123
01:16:53,060 --> 01:16:54,060
contracteur pour faire l'entrée

2124
01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:57,060
d'eau, le drainage... pourquoi

2125
01:16:57,060 --> 01:16:58,060
on engage un contracteur pour

2126
01:16:58,060 --> 01:17:00,020
faire la job d'un col bleu?

2127
01:17:00,020 --> 01:17:01,020
Parce que moi, j'ai été cols

2128
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:02,020
bleus pendant 33 ans. C'est ça

2129
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:04,020
que je faisais. Et en plus, ça

2130
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:07,020
lui a pris cinq jours. On a été

2131
01:17:07,020 --> 01:17:09,020
dans la poussière pendant cinq

2132
01:17:09,020 --> 01:17:11,020
jours, une fin de semaine inclus

2133
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:12,020
là-dedans. Et puis c'est encore

2134
01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:14,020
dans la poussière, ça n'a jamais

2135
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:16,020
été nettoyé une fois. C'est bien

2136
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:17,020
beau d'engager un contracteur

2137
01:17:17,020 --> 01:17:19,020
mais il me semble que la Ville

2138
01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:20,020
n'est pas Mike... pas mal

2139
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:21,020
meilleur que ça pour faire la

2140
01:17:21,020 --> 01:17:23,020
job, en tout cas. Justement,

2141
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:24,020
aujourd'hui, j'ai appelé, on a

2142
01:17:24,020 --> 01:17:26,020
fait un égout sur la rue

2143
01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:27,020
(---)

2144
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:28,020
, une journée! Contracteurs:

2145
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:31,020
cinq jours, pas fini encore. On

2146
01:17:31,020 --> 01:17:32,020
a un maudit de méchants

2147
01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:35,020
problèmes si vous pensez qu'un

2148
01:17:35,020 --> 01:17:36,020
contracteur qui est meilleur que

2149
01:17:36,020 --> 01:17:37,020
nos cols bleus et eux autres,

2150
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:38,020
ils en font pas pendant que les

2151
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:42,020
autres en font. On achète un

2152
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:43,020
machinerie, les grosses pelles,

2153
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:44,020
les gros truck, on fait quoi

2154
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:47,020
avec ça? On se promène dans la

2155
01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:49,020
rue pour que ça paraisse bien?

2156
01:17:49,020 --> 01:17:50,020
Il me semble qu'on devrait

2157
01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:51,020
prendre nos travailleurs avant

2158
01:17:51,020 --> 01:17:55,020
de prendre des contracteurs.

2159
01:17:55,020 --> 01:17:57,020
- On est d'accord. Je trouve ça

2160
01:17:57,020 --> 01:18:00,080
très intéressant. Non, mais je

2161
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,080
trouve ça très intéressant.

2162
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,080
- Et en plus!

2163
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,080
- Oui. Monsieur Montpetit, le

2164
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,080
mot du maire était à moitié

2165
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,080
moitié français et anglais.

2166
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,080
- Oui, je sais. Et en plus, ils

2167
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,080
font une autre maison un peu

2168
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,080
plus au, c'est un autre

2169
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:14,080
contracteur. Il le charge dans

2170
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,080
son camion et le vient de monter

2171
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,080
à la ville en plus. Donc on

2172
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,080
engage un contracteur et

2173
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,080
(inaudible)

2174
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,080
pour pas que ça coûte trop cher.

2175
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,080
Donc c'est toutes nous autres

2176
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,080
qui payent pour ça. Ça paraît

2177
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,080
pas bien du tout, du tout. C'est

2178
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:30,080
juste ça mes questions mais

2179
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,080
j'aimerais que ça aille à

2180
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,080
l'interne avant de donner ça à

2181
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,080
l'extérieur. On a l'expertise et

2182
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,080
on a des meilleurs travailleurs

2183
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,080
pour le faire.

2184
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,080
- Oui. La plupart des fois, on

2185
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,080
utilise nos cols bleus. Madame

2186
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:44,080
Verdon, est-ce que c'est vrai?

2187
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,080
(rires)

2188
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,080
- Tout ce qui est constructions

2189
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,080
neuves, c'est plus la ville

2190
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:50,080
qu'il ait fait, je me suis

2191
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,080
renseigné. C'est tout donner à

2192
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:57,080
des contracteurs. Depuis... la

2193
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,040
pandémie, depuis COVID. Mais

2194
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,040
pourquoi? Et on achète la

2195
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,040
machinerie pour le faire. On a

2196
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,040
tous en conséquence. Merci,

2197
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,040
bonne soirée.

2198
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,040
- Merci, Monsieur.

2199
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,040
>> Mister Mayor?

2200
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,040
>> Yes, ma'am.

2201
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:17,040
>> Three names were added. First

2202
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,040
-- time

2203
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,040
>> Do we have time?

2204
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,040
>> Do we have time?

2205
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,040
>> Yes.

2206
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,040
>> Mark --

2207
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:27,040
>> 30 minutes left.

2208
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,040
- Marquer quoi? >> Mark --

2209
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,040
Toute marque n'est pas là. Sandy

2210
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,040
foule?

2211
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,040
>> Sandy Fuller.

2212
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,040
>> Good evening, everyone.

2213
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,040
Councillors, Mister Mayor. I

2214
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,040
have some concerns about August

2215
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,040
9th. And as the previous citizen

2216
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,040
mentioned, it was devastating.

2217
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,040
The flooding, people not able to

2218
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,040
get a hold of the public

2219
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,000
security. But I do have a

2220
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,000
question. I would like to know

2221
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,000
and I would like to hear you

2222
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000
explain to the citizens of

2223
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,000
Pointe-Claire, where were you on

2224
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,000
August 9th?

2225
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,000
>> I was at a fund-raiser that I

2226
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,000
had organized to raise money for

2227
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,000
the organization Y of which is

2228
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,000
the West Island Association for

2229
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,000
the intellectually handicapped

2230
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:23,000
and autism.

2231
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:28,000
>> And was that a city

2232
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,000
organized?

2233
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,000
>> Half. It was a combination of

2234
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,000
things. Jim was there, there was

2235
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,000
there, I was, there it was a

2236
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,000
plan to raise money for -- it

2237
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,000
was a precursor to the blues

2238
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,000
fest the following evening. It

2239
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,000
was organized months in advance.

2240
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,000
It's a fund-raiser that's been

2241
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,000
going on for 15 years. It

2242
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,000
required musicians travelling

2243
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,000
from as far as Florida, North

2244
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,000
Carolina, who had travelled to

2245
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,000
the event. We were at the event,

2246
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,060
the event was going on. I was

2247
01:21:00,060 --> 01:21:02,060
working the door, so I was

2248
01:21:02,060 --> 01:21:03,060
actually collecting the money

2249
01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:04,060
for the season's coming through

2250
01:21:04,060 --> 01:21:07,060
the door. I would say a good two

2251
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:08,060
thirds of the way through the

2252
01:21:08,060 --> 01:21:12,060
event, people started leaving

2253
01:21:12,060 --> 01:21:14,060
and getting up and leaving, and

2254
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:15,060
they were explaining that some

2255
01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:16,060
of their basements have been

2256
01:21:16,060 --> 01:21:18,060
flooded. There are three or four

2257
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:20,060
citizens that had left and we

2258
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:21,060
were, you know, the show is

2259
01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:24,060
going on. And then towards the

2260
01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:26,060
end, while a second act was

2261
01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:29,060
about halfway through, Jen and

2262
01:21:29,060 --> 01:21:30,060
our both pointed out that there

2263
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:32,060
is some flooding in parts of the

2264
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:33,060
city. So, we waited, I waited

2265
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:35,060
for the event was over about 45

2266
01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:38,060
minutes later, I drove, I had to

2267
01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:40,060
pay the sound man, the

2268
01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:41,060
officials, I had to pay a lot of

2269
01:21:41,060 --> 01:21:43,060
the staff that were there and

2270
01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:45,060
then ran home and got informed

2271
01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:46,060
about the event, which was

2272
01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:49,060
probably 45 minutes later. So, I

2273
01:21:49,060 --> 01:21:53,060
was trying to raise money. 11

2274
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:55,060
probably was by 10:30, 11 was

2275
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:58,060
probably the time I got back.

2276
01:21:58,060 --> 01:22:00,020
And it's funny because nobody

2277
01:22:00,020 --> 01:22:02,020
knew what was going on. And it

2278
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:04,020
just got worse and worse as the

2279
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:05,020
evening went on. Nobody really

2280
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:07,020
knew. The entire crowd, there

2281
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:08,020
were maybe three or four people

2282
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:10,020
that had left. So, people knew

2283
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,020
there was an issue but the

2284
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:13,020
severity of it was not really

2285
01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:18,020
known. So, and once I got home,

2286
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:19,020
I got informed and went out the

2287
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:21,020
next morning, the minute I

2288
01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:23,020
could. So, we raised a little

2289
01:22:23,020 --> 01:22:26,020
over 30 $500 for the

2290
01:22:26,020 --> 01:22:27,020
organization. Lynn was there,

2291
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:30,020
the director of -- was there,

2292
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:31,020
she stayed till the end. She was

2293
01:22:31,020 --> 01:22:32,020
very grateful, all the staff

2294
01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:35,020
where there and they were paid,

2295
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:36,020
they were given the money and

2296
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:38,020
everyone had to get paid, then I

2297
01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:42,020
got home and got to things ASAP

2298
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:44,020
like Jim and aerial, I got back

2299
01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:46,020
to it as quickly as we could.

2300
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:48,020
>> Did you see the conditions of

2301
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:49,020
the streets?

2302
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:53,020
>> It's funny, I drove to

2303
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:55,020
musicians back to their hotels

2304
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:57,020
and the route I took, I went

2305
01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:58,020
along cardinal and it wasn't

2306
01:22:58,020 --> 01:22:59,020
that bad. It was only when I

2307
01:22:59,020 --> 01:23:02,080
went to other parts and it was,

2308
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,080
I didn't really see some of the

2309
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,080
really bad streets. Then I saw a

2310
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,080
video of Alston. I want the next

2311
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,080
morning first thing to Alston

2312
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,080
and one of the gentleman showed

2313
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,080
me a video of his truck and the

2314
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,080
water on Alston actually knocked

2315
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:18,080
his truck out of commission

2316
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,080
because it was higher than a

2317
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,080
foot on the street itself. So, I

2318
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,080
never saw that. No, I never saw

2319
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,080
any of that in the drive but,

2320
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,080
you know, --

2321
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,080
>> So, you were very close to

2322
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,080
Parkdale, mainland, windward,

2323
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,080
when cast?

2324
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,080
>> No, I wasn't Valois. -- I

2325
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,080
wasn't close enough to them. I

2326
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:42,080
didn't drive on them so I went

2327
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,080
home on the 20, I just went out

2328
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,080
on the 20 and it was fine. But

2329
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,080
this was --

2330
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,080
>> We are all near Valois Bay

2331
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,080
and all of those streets were

2332
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,080
horrendous. Two feet of water.

2333
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,080
>> Not when I drove home,

2334
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:57,080
absolutely not.

2335
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,080
>> No because by that time it

2336
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,080
was all over.

2337
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,040
>> It was an hour later, so

2338
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,040
you're right, if it had been

2339
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,040
that quick, I would've been

2340
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,040
surprised but that's the --

2341
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,040
>> I would like to ask you

2342
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,040
another question.

2343
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,040
>> You have had to, Madam, I

2344
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,040
will allow you one more.

2345
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,040
>> I would like to know why you

2346
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:15,040
remove the photos from your

2347
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,040
Facebook page.

2348
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,040
>> I didn't, that's completely

2349
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,040
false. I never did. They stayed

2350
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,040
up the whole time. That's

2351
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:26,040
completely dishonest. It can be

2352
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,040
verified and checked. Thank you,

2353
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:29,040
Miss fuller.

2354
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,040
>> You're welcome.

2355
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,040
>> There was one more?

2356
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,040
>> --

2357
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,040
>> Hi, again, well good evening

2358
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,040
first of all. So that citizens

2359
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,040
at home can hear.

2360
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:55,040
>> Good evening, all the

2361
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,040
councillors. - Bonsoir, Monsieur

2362
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,040
le Maire. Question is basically

2363
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,000
the same vein a little bit but a

2364
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,000
little more specific.

2365
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,000
>> The name, sir,? Sorry.

2366
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:12,000
>> Patrick but Goshen. --

2367
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,000
>> I have a property in Vella,

2368
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:21,000
on Prince Edward, and after the

2369
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,000
flooding basically all of my

2370
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,000
neighbours were flooded on

2371
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,000
Valois Bay, Prince Edward,

2372
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,000
queen, king, all that area. It's

2373
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,000
a disaster, it was pretty bad.

2374
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,000
Some of the houses they had more

2375
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,000
than a couple of feet of water

2376
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,000
in the basement, according to

2377
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,000
one, up to five feet, I'm not

2378
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:45,000
sure about that. My question is

2379
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,000
basically, years ago, I remember

2380
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,000
the city would clear, there was

2381
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,000
a dish pit behind my house,

2382
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,000
between the two houses. The city

2383
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,000
would clear that ditch. At some

2384
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,060
point, the city stopped doing

2385
01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:03,060
that. We started having issues

2386
01:26:03,060 --> 01:26:06,060
at every spring during the thaw,

2387
01:26:06,060 --> 01:26:08,060
we would have a small lake in

2388
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:12,060
the backyard for almost a month

2389
01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:14,060
until the ground was able to

2390
01:26:14,060 --> 01:26:17,060
absorb the excess water. Then

2391
01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:20,060
one of my neighbours went out of

2392
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:23,060
his own pocket, built a drainage

2393
01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:25,060
system connecting to the city's

2394
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:27,060
system, and that helped a little

2395
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:29,060
bit. But still, every time that

2396
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:31,060
there is a big rainfall, we

2397
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:36,060
would still have issues. At some

2398
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:38,060
point, there was, at the end of

2399
01:26:38,060 --> 01:26:41,060
that ditch, there was a lot,

2400
01:26:41,060 --> 01:26:44,060
there is a vacant lot,

2401
01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:45,060
undeveloped. Kind of a

2402
01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:49,060
triangular shape. It was sold to

2403
01:26:49,060 --> 01:26:52,060
be built so a house was built on

2404
01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:54,060
it. The block was so small that

2405
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:56,060
most of the lot had to be used

2406
01:26:56,060 --> 01:26:57,060
for the purpose of the

2407
01:26:57,060 --> 01:27:01,020
foundation of the house, which I

2408
01:27:01,020 --> 01:27:03,020
believe because even more issues

2409
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:07,020
for the ditch because that ditch

2410
01:27:07,020 --> 01:27:09,020
and exactly where the houses, so

2411
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:13,020
the water would not, they sickly

2412
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:16,020
excess water had lost its access

2413
01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:18,020
to the manhole which was on the

2414
01:27:18,020 --> 01:27:20,020
street right beside it. Since

2415
01:27:20,020 --> 01:27:24,020
then, we've been having issues

2416
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:26,020
with the basements, excess water

2417
01:27:26,020 --> 01:27:30,020
in the backyards, and so, I

2418
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:31,020
don't know what else we can do

2419
01:27:31,020 --> 01:27:35,020
from our and because as I said,

2420
01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:37,020
you know, my neighbour out of

2421
01:27:37,020 --> 01:27:39,020
his own pocket spent thousands

2422
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:41,020
of dollars putting a drainage

2423
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:46,020
system, it didn't help. Yeah, so

2424
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:50,020
why did the city stop clearing

2425
01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:52,020
those dishes? When the ditch was

2426
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:54,020
there for many years and was

2427
01:27:54,020 --> 01:27:57,020
doing its job. And what can the

2428
01:27:57,020 --> 01:28:02,080
city do now that the ditch is

2429
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,080
basically the end of the ditch,

2430
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,080
the access to the sewer is

2431
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:13,080
blocked now and can there be any

2432
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,080
kind of a correction done in

2433
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,080
that area?

2434
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,080
>> One would hope. I mean, it's

2435
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,080
a very good question. From what

2436
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,080
I've heard in our discussions

2437
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,080
about a lot of the dishes, a lot

2438
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,080
of them, individual citizens

2439
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,080
have covered them and some homes

2440
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,080
still have them, others have

2441
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:32,080
covered them and they've been

2442
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,080
used for other purposes. And

2443
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,080
it's very, very good question.

2444
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:38,080
They were almost always there

2445
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,080
for a reason, I'm sure. I don't

2446
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,080
see any reason why. I mean,

2447
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,080
what's the address?

2448
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:47,080
>> 115 Prince Edward Island.

2449
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:48,080
>> Okay, I can certainly look

2450
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,080
into that. Into that particular

2451
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:52,080
one, I mean, --

2452
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,080
>> And I believe years ago when

2453
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,080
I bought the property, the

2454
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,080
property line in the back, there

2455
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,040
was a five foot I believe kind

2456
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,040
of a no-man's-land where the

2457
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,040
ditch would be, so the ditch

2458
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,040
didn't belong either to me or to

2459
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,040
my neighbour. At some point,

2460
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,040
that was changed. It was added

2461
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,040
to my neighbour's lot. And the

2462
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:20,040
City just stopped taking care of

2463
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,040
cleaning and opening up the

2464
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:26,040
ditch. Also, the fact that there

2465
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,040
is no more no-man's-land between

2466
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:32,040
the two houses. As soon as you

2467
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,040
build any kind of offence,

2468
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,040
you're putting some kind of a

2469
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,040
blockage on that path where the

2470
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:42,040
ditch used to be. As soon as you

2471
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:43,040
have any kind of a structure,

2472
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,040
whether it's a shed or for the

2473
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,040
foundation of the house, you're

2474
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,040
blocking the way of the natural

2475
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:54,040
passage of the water. So, this,

2476
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:55,040
I think it's going to be a mess

2477
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,040
because it's very hard now to

2478
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:58,040
tell any of my neighbours that

2479
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,000
they have to clear some kind of

2480
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,000
a ditch when there is already

2481
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,000
offence.

2482
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,000
>> It's very interesting. I

2483
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,000
mean, I have to look into it. I

2484
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,000
don't know the history but we

2485
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,000
can certainly look into it

2486
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,000
because if there's a solution,

2487
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,000
we should find it, for sure. Or

2488
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,000
it should be found. I can't

2489
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,000
speak to this specifically

2490
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,000
because, you know, you're

2491
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,000
telling me about it now but we

2492
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,000
can certainly look into it.

2493
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,000
There is no reason why that

2494
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:26,000
can't happen. We are in the

2495
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,000
process of looking into a lot of

2496
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,000
things right now. And if there

2497
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,000
was a solution in the past that

2498
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,000
was there deliberately, it would

2499
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,000
make sense if it was their

2500
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,000
deliberately or if there is a

2501
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,000
reason for so we can certainly

2502
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,000
examine whether something that

2503
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,000
was necessary was filled in or

2504
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,000
removed, absolutely, we can look

2505
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:46,000
into that. Madam Verdon, do you

2506
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,000
have any additional?

2507
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,000
>> Like the other citizens, each

2508
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,000
case is different so I will have

2509
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,000
to look at your case, you know,

2510
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,000
specifically. Some of them, it's

2511
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,000
part of the Montréal -- the

2512
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,000
order is private from each

2513
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,060
citizen and maybe we have some

2514
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:02,060
left from the City, so we have

2515
01:31:02,060 --> 01:31:03,060
to look at everything, so we can

2516
01:31:03,060 --> 01:31:05,060
get back to you with the

2517
01:31:05,060 --> 01:31:06,060
complete answer.

2518
01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:08,060
>> Okay so who can I contact for

2519
01:31:08,060 --> 01:31:11,060
more information about this

2520
01:31:11,060 --> 01:31:13,060
particular issue of dishes?

2521
01:31:13,060 --> 01:31:15,060
>> Probably me would be better.

2522
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:16,060
>> Thank you very much.

2523
01:31:16,060 --> 01:31:21,060
>> Thank you, sir. Merci

2524
01:31:23,060 --> 01:31:26,060
beaucoup.

2525
01:31:26,060 --> 01:31:31,060
- Aucun. Bon, 5,1.

2526
01:31:34,060 --> 01:31:35,060
- Avis de motion et dépôt d'un

2527
01:31:35,060 --> 01:31:36,060
projet de Règlement décrétant

2528
01:31:36,060 --> 01:31:37,060
les tarifs exigibles pour le

2529
01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:38,060
financement de biens, services

2530
01:31:38,060 --> 01:31:39,060
et activités offerts par la

2531
01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:40,060
Ville de Pointe-Claire pour

2532
01:31:40,060 --> 01:31:41,060
l'exercice financier 2025. De

2533
01:31:41,060 --> 01:31:42,060
façon générale, la tarification

2534
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:44,060
des biens et services et

2535
01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:46,060
activités a été augmenté de

2536
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:48,060
3,5%. La tarification pour le

2537
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:49,060
non résidentiel est établi en

2538
01:31:49,060 --> 01:31:51,060
fonction d'un écart de 140% du

2539
01:31:51,060 --> 01:31:54,060
tarif résidentiel. 5.2 Notice of

2540
01:31:54,060 --> 01:31:55,060
motion and filing of a draft

2541
01:31:55,060 --> 01:31:58,060
By-law amending Zoning By-law

2542
01:31:58,060 --> 01:31:59,060
PC-2775 of the City of

2543
01:31:59,060 --> 01:32:00,020
Pointe-Claire in order to modify

2544
01:32:00,020 --> 01:32:01,020
the provisions concerning

2545
01:32:01,020 --> 01:32:02,020
electrical and mechanical

2546
01:32:02,020 --> 01:32:04,020
equipment, landscaping in

2547
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:08,020
industrial zones, class a and b

2548
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:09,020
cladding materials, fences, pool

2549
01:32:09,020 --> 01:32:10,020
enclosures and certain

2550
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:11,020
residential recreational

2551
01:32:11,020 --> 01:32:14,020
equipment. Definitions have been

2552
01:32:14,020 --> 01:32:16,020
modified, as have the criteria

2553
01:32:16,020 --> 01:32:17,020
pickable to mechanical equipment

2554
01:32:17,020 --> 01:32:19,020
and installations, particularly

2555
01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:22,020
with regard to size and

2556
01:32:22,020 --> 01:32:26,020
visibility. Pour 5,1 et 5,2. Do

2557
01:32:26,020 --> 01:32:27,020
I have a mover?

2558
01:32:27,020 --> 01:32:28,020
>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

2559
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:29,020
>> And seconder?

2560
01:32:29,020 --> 01:32:30,020
>> There is no seconder, it's a

2561
01:32:30,020 --> 01:32:31,020
motion.

2562
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:33,020
>> Sorry, moves this notice of

2563
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:34,020
motion? Thank you, Cynthia or

2564
01:32:34,020 --> 01:32:38,020
Councillor Homan.

2565
01:32:38,020 --> 01:32:40,020
>>

2566
01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:41,020
- 5.3 Avis de motion et dépôt

2567
01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:42,020
d'un projet de Règlement

2568
01:32:42,020 --> 01:32:43,020
modifiant le Code Villageois,

2569
01:32:43,020 --> 01:32:44,020
règlement numéro PC-2880 de la

2570
01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:45,020
ville de Pointe-Claire, relatif

2571
01:32:45,020 --> 01:32:46,020
aux classes d'usage résidentiel

2572
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:47,020
autorisées de même qu'à

2573
01:32:47,020 --> 01:32:49,020
l'agencement des cases de

2574
01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:50,020
stationnement exigées pour les

2575
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:51,020
habitations de classe B dans

2576
01:32:51,020 --> 01:32:53,020
UP8. Ce règlement vise à

2577
01:32:53,020 --> 01:32:54,020
permettre les habitations de

2578
01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:56,020
type duplex dans cette zone. Ce

2579
01:32:56,020 --> 01:32:59,020
règlement devrait être soumis au

2580
01:32:59,020 --> 01:33:00,080
(---)

2581
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:01,080
de la Ville a voté des zones qui

2582
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:02,080
seront déclarées dans la

2583
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:03,080
(---)

2584
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:04,080
semi-à cet effet. >> Who moves

2585
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,080
this notice of motion for 5.3?

2586
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,080
>> Brent Cowan, district number

2587
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:11,080
eight. 5.4 Adoption of a first

2588
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:12,080
draft By-law amending Zoning

2589
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,080
By-law PC-2775 of the City of

2590
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,080
Pointe-Claire in order to modify

2591
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:17,080
the provisions concerning

2592
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,080
electrical and mechanical

2593
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,080
equipment, landscaping in

2594
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,080
industrial zones, class a and b

2595
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:22,080
cladding materials, fences, pool

2596
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,080
enclosures and certain

2597
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,080
residential recreational

2598
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:29,080
equipment.

2599
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:34,080
- 5.5 Adoption d'un premier

2600
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:35,080
projet de Règlement modifiant le

2601
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:36,080
Code Villageois, règlement

2602
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,080
numéro PC-2880 de la ville de

2603
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,080
Pointe-Claire, relatif aux

2604
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:39,080
classes d'usage résidentiel

2605
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,080
autorisées de même qu'à

2606
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,080
l'agencement des cases de

2607
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:42,080
stationnement exigées pour les

2608
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,080
habitations de classe B dans

2609
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:44,080
UP8.

2610
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:45,080
- Pour 5,1 et 5,5...

2611
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:49,080
Do I have a mover? - 5,4 et 5,5?

2612
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:50,080
- 5,4 et 5,5, merci. Do I have a

2613
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:51,080
mover?

2614
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:52,080
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

2615
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,080
>> Seconder?

2616
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:54,080
>> Tara Stainforth, district

2617
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:55,080
four.

2618
01:33:55,080 --> 01:34:00,040
>> All in favour? 6.1 Grant a

2619
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:02,040
financial support for a total

2620
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,040
amount of $ 150 to the Résidence

2621
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:05,040
Maywood

2622
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,040
(33 Maywood Avenue)

2623
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:07,040
. It is for the Christmas

2624
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:11,040
dinner.

2625
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,040
- 6.2 Accorder un soutien

2626
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:13,040
financier pour un montant total

2627
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,040
de 150 $ à la Résidence

2628
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:15,040
Edwin-Crawford

2629
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:16,040
(35, avenue Maywood)

2630
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:17,040
. Pour le soutien financier de

2631
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:18,040
repas de Noël. 6.3 Grant a

2632
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:19,040
financial support for a total

2633
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,040
amount of $ 150 to l'Esterél

2634
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,040
which is that

2635
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,040
(10 Vermont Avenue)

2636
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,040
. Also for a Christmas dinner.

2637
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:28,040
- 6.4 Accorder un soutien

2638
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,040
financier pour un montant total

2639
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:30,040
de 150 $ à l'Estérel

2640
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:31,040
(20, avenue Vermont)

2641
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,040
. Soutien financier pour le

2642
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,040
repas de Noël. >> Lastly, 6.5

2643
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:35,040
Grant a financial support for a

2644
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:36,040
total amount of $ 150 to

2645
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:37,040
L'Estérel which is that

2646
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,040
(30 Vermont Avenue)

2647
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:39,040
. Also for a Christmas dinner.

2648
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,040
>> For 6.1 to 6.5, do I have a

2649
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:43,040
mover?

2650
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:44,040
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

2651
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,040
>> And seconder?

2652
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,040
>> Kerosene fourth, district

2653
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:49,040
five.

2654
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:54,040
>> All in favour?

2655
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:56,040
- 7.1 Renouveler les mandats des

2656
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:57,040
membres au sein du Comité de

2657
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:58,040
retraite des employés de la

2658
01:34:58,040 --> 01:34:59,040
ville de Pointe-Claire. Il

2659
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:00,000
s'agit de la reconduction du

2660
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,000
mandat de siéger au sein du

2661
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,000
comité de retraite des employés

2662
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,000
de la Ville de Pointe-Claire. Le

2663
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,000
mandat 2024 - 2027. Les quatre

2664
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,000
représentants de l'employeur,

2665
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:08,000
trois quatre et un membre du

2666
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,000
conseil ainsi que la secrétaire

2667
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,000
du comité de retraite. Il s'agit

2668
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,000
de monsieur vers Vincent Proulx,

2669
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,000
représentant de l'employeur avec

2670
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,000
droit de vote, Daniel Seguin, au

2671
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:16,000
présentant de l'employeur avec

2672
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,000
droit de vote, et les Eric Roy

2673
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,000
à, représentant de l'employeur à

2674
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,000
victoires de voter Paul

2675
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:21,000
Bissonnette, représentant de

2676
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:22,000
l'employeur avec droit de vote

2677
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,000
désigné par le Conseil. Et

2678
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,000
enfin, madame Nathalie Laroche,

2679
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,000
secrétaire du comité de

2680
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,000
retraite.

2681
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,000
- Pour 7.1.

2682
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,000
Do I have a mover? And seconder?

2683
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:32,000
- Claude Cousineau, district en.

2684
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,000
>> Tara Stainforth, district

2685
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,000
four.

2686
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:39,000
>> All in favour?

2687
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,000
>> 10.1, sorry. To file a list

2688
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,000
of budget amendments and the

2689
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,000
register of checks for the

2690
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,000
period of August 5, 2024, to

2691
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:51,000
August 23, 2024.

2692
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,000
- 11.1 Désigner officiellement

2693
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,000
deux

2694
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:55,000
(2)

2695
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,000
parcs et une

2696
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:57,000
(1)

2697
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,000
avenue. Le but d'officialiser la

2698
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,000
nomination des endroits suivants

2699
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,060
auprès de la Commission

2700
01:36:00,060 --> 01:36:01,060
d'autonomie du Québec. Le parc

2701
01:36:01,060 --> 01:36:02,060
John Fischer, cet espace vert

2702
01:36:02,060 --> 01:36:03,060
situé dans le quadrilatère des

2703
01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:04,060
avenue Saint-Louis, Brock View,

2704
01:36:04,060 --> 01:36:06,060
John Fisher et Bill Valois. Le

2705
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:07,060
parc d'Athènes. Cet espace vert

2706
01:36:07,060 --> 01:36:08,060
situé dans un développement

2707
01:36:08,060 --> 01:36:10,060
domiciliaire de 12 maisons

2708
01:36:10,060 --> 01:36:11,060
unifamiliales, soit l'ancien

2709
01:36:11,060 --> 01:36:13,060
centre d'achats Walton où se

2710
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:15,060
trouvait le restaurant Athènes

2711
01:36:15,060 --> 01:36:17,060
pizza. Nous avons une demande

2712
01:36:17,060 --> 01:36:19,060
citoyenne afin de nommer le parc

2713
01:36:19,060 --> 01:36:21,060
Athènes. Enfin, l'avenue Gerald

2714
01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:22,060
Hervé. Pour cette avenue qui est

2715
01:36:22,060 --> 01:36:24,060
située à l'est du boulevard des

2716
01:36:24,060 --> 01:36:25,060
Sources, soit dans la

2717
01:36:25,060 --> 01:36:26,060
prolongation de l'avenue afro-,

2718
01:36:26,060 --> 01:36:28,060
le conseil avait proposé de la

2719
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:29,060
nommer en l'honneur du premier

2720
01:36:29,060 --> 01:36:30,060
commissaire industriel de la

2721
01:36:30,060 --> 01:36:35,060
Ville de Pointe-Claire en 1955.

2722
01:36:36,060 --> 01:36:37,060
- Pour 11.1 à 11.2.

2723
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:38,060
Do I have a mover?

2724
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:41,060
>> Yes, I do. You finally got

2725
01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:43,060
it, Eric Stork, district seven.

2726
01:36:43,060 --> 01:36:45,060
>> And seconder?

2727
01:36:45,060 --> 01:36:47,060
>> Kelly third said Cohen,

2728
01:36:47,060 --> 01:36:48,060
district 12.

2729
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:52,060
>> All in favour? - Merci.

2730
01:36:52,060 --> 01:36:54,060
[Applause]

2731
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:57,060
(applaudissements)

2732
01:36:57,060 --> 01:37:02,020
>> So, 11.2. Two Approve an

2733
01:37:02,020 --> 01:37:03,020
application for tax exemption

2734
01:37:03,020 --> 01:37:04,020
for the building of Habitation

2735
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:05,020
jeunesse de l'Ouest de l'Île.

2736
01:37:05,020 --> 01:37:06,020
Which is under the am Cal

2737
01:37:06,020 --> 01:37:07,020
umbrella. This is the

2738
01:37:07,020 --> 01:37:09,020
application for recognition of a

2739
01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:12,020
tax exemption spent by -- four

2740
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:14,020
the building located at seven

2741
01:37:14,020 --> 01:37:15,020
avenue St. and in Pointe-Claire.

2742
01:37:15,020 --> 01:37:16,020
The exemption has been in place

2743
01:37:16,020 --> 01:37:18,020
for several years and there's

2744
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:19,020
there are no objections to such

2745
01:37:19,020 --> 01:37:21,020
a request.

2746
01:37:21,020 --> 01:37:23,020
>> For 11.2, do I have a mover?

2747
01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:26,020
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

2748
01:37:26,020 --> 01:37:27,020
>> Circular?

2749
01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:28,020
>>

2750
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:29,020
Kelly towards that Cohen,

2751
01:37:29,020 --> 01:37:30,020
district three.

2752
01:37:30,020 --> 01:37:34,020
>> All in favour? -- 14.1

2753
01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:36,020
Exercise the renewal option

2754
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:37,020
provided for in the contract

2755
01:37:37,020 --> 01:37:38,020
entered into with Conceptions

2756
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:39,020
Snotech Inc.

2757
01:37:39,020 --> 01:37:40,020
- 12.1 Déposer la liste des

2758
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,020
changements au personnel par

2759
01:37:41,020 --> 01:37:42,020
décisions déléguées pour le mois

2760
01:37:42,020 --> 01:37:47,020
de septembre 2024.

2761
01:37:48,020 --> 01:37:50,020
, For the 2024-2025 winter

2762
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:51,020
season, in the amount of $

2763
01:37:51,020 --> 01:37:52,020
72,282.48, taxes included, for

2764
01:37:52,020 --> 01:37:55,020
grooming and maintenance of

2765
01:37:55,020 --> 01:37:56,020
winter trails and cross-country

2766
01:37:56,020 --> 01:37:58,020
ski trails in the City of

2767
01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:02,080
Pointe-Claire.

2768
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,080
>> For 14.1, do I have a mover?

2769
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:08,080
- Pardon. >> And seconder?

2770
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:11,080
- Claude Cousineau, district un.

2771
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,080
All in favour? - Bruno Tremblay,

2772
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:18,080
district six.

2773
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:19,080
- 14.2 Octroyer un contrat pour

2774
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:20,080
la location des camions, avec

2775
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:21,080
opérateurs, pour le transport de

2776
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:22,080
la neige pour les saisons

2777
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,080
hivernales 2024-2025, 2025-2026

2778
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,080
et 2026-2027, à Roxboro

2779
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:30,080
Excavation Inc., Pour un montant

2780
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:31,080
total de 1 514 220,75 $, taxes

2781
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:32,080
incluses, avec 2 saisons en

2782
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,080
option. 14.3 Award a contract

2783
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,080
for arboriculture works on the

2784
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,080
shores of Lake Saint-Louis as

2785
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,080
well as tree pruning works along

2786
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,080
the streets in anticipation of

2787
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:45,080
snow removal for the 2024, to

2788
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:46,080
Service d'arbres Primeau Inc.,

2789
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,080
For a total amount of $

2790
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:51,080
42,894.87, taxes included, with

2791
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:55,080
2 optional seasons. The

2792
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:56,080
shoreline Barbara cultural work

2793
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,080
will be done or will be carried

2794
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,080
out on sections of municipal

2795
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,040
land located between or do lack

2796
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,040
lakeshore and the shoreline

2797
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,040
strip in the stretch between day

2798
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:06,040
sources boulevard protection and

2799
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:11,040
Antoine Pilon Park.

2800
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:16,040
- 14.4 Award a contract for the

2801
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:17,040
supply and delivery of filters,

2802
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:18,040
couplings, brakes and hardware

2803
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,040
for the vehicle fleet for the

2804
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:24,040
period of September 4, 2024,

2805
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:26,040
Octroyer un contrat pour la

2806
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:27,040
fourniture et livraison de

2807
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:28,040
filtres, d'accouplements, de

2808
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:29,040
freins et de quincaillerie pour

2809
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:30,040
flotte de véhicules pour la

2810
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:31,040
période du 4 septembre 2024 au

2811
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:32,040
30 avril 2025, à Pièces d'Auto

2812
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:33,040
Hymus

2813
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:34,040
(entrepôt de Montréal 1470 Inc

2814
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:35,040
.)

2815
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:36,040
, pour un montant total de 147

2816
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:37,040
017,08 $, taxes incluses.

2817
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:38,040
- Pour 14,2 à 14,4.

2818
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:39,040
Do I have a mover?

2819
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:40,040
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

2820
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:41,040
district three.

2821
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:42,040
>> And seconder?

2822
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:43,040
>> Tara Stainforth, district

2823
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:44,040
four.

2824
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,040
>> All in favour?

2825
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:48,040
- Monsieur le Maire, je vais...

2826
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:53,040
- Oui, oui, Monsieur. Conseiller

2827
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,040
Cousineau.

2828
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:58,040
- Pour ce qui est du 14.3, la

2829
01:39:58,040 --> 01:39:59,040
partie, je vais voter contre,

2830
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,000
mais c'est seulement à cause de

2831
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,000
la partie du de la gestion de

2832
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,000
livres qui ne fait pas mon

2833
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,000
affaire. Pas du tout. Alors je

2834
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,000
vote contre.

2835
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,000
- Alors juste pour être clair,

2836
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,000
vous votez contre seulement à

2837
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:16,000
14,3?

2838
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:17,000
- Oui.

2839
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,000
- Parfait.

2840
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,000
- Merci.

2841
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,000
- Est-ce qu'on a besoin d'un

2842
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,000
autre vote?

2843
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,000
>> Unless anybody else, no.

2844
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:24,000
- Non.

2845
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:25,000
- Non, c'est correct? >> So,

2846
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,000
15.1, award of contract for

2847
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,000
repair works and parcel

2848
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,000
redevelopment of the Valois

2849
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,000
Library basement, to Groupe

2850
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,000
Piché Construction Inc., For a

2851
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:34,000
total amount of $ 1,748,965.02,

2852
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:39,000
taxes included. The purpose of

2853
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,000
this contract is to correct

2854
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,000
water infiltration problems that

2855
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,000
compromise the longevity of the

2856
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,000
building and the safety of its

2857
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,000
occupants, notably the community

2858
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,000
organization -- which occupies

2859
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,000
offices in the buildings

2860
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,000
basement.

2861
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,000
- 15.2 Octroyer un contrat pour

2862
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:54,000
la fourniture et la livraison de

2863
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,000
pièces, outils, matériaux et

2864
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,000
équipement en menuiserie pour la

2865
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,000
période de la mi-septembre 2024

2866
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:01,060
au 31 août 2025, à Quincaillerie

2867
01:41:01,060 --> 01:41:04,060
Notre-Dame Inc., Pour un montant

2868
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:05,060
total de 77 339,49 $, taxes

2869
01:41:05,060 --> 01:41:06,060
incluses, avec une période en

2870
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:11,060
option. 15.3 Approve a change

2871
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:12,060
order to the contract entered

2872
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:14,060
into with Construction CPB Inc.,

2873
01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:16,060
For the extension and renovation

2874
01:41:16,060 --> 01:41:18,060
of Public Works, for an amount

2875
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:23,060
of $ 67,887.78, taxes included.

2876
01:41:23,060 --> 01:41:24,060
The modifications involved

2877
01:41:24,060 --> 01:41:25,060
architectural, mechanical,

2878
01:41:25,060 --> 01:41:28,060
electrical, and structural

2879
01:41:28,060 --> 01:41:29,060
frameworks. --

2880
01:41:29,060 --> 01:41:32,060
>> For 15.1 to 15.3, do I have a

2881
01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:33,060
mover?

2882
01:41:33,060 --> 01:41:35,060
>> Bruno Tremblay, district

2883
01:41:35,060 --> 01:41:36,060
says.

2884
01:41:36,060 --> 01:41:37,060
>> Seconder?

2885
01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:38,060
- Bruno Tremblay, district six.

2886
01:41:38,060 --> 01:41:39,060
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

2887
01:41:39,060 --> 01:41:41,060
>> All in favour?

2888
01:41:41,060 --> 01:41:42,060
- Encore une fois, Monsieur le

2889
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:43,060
Maire?

2890
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:44,060
- Oui, si vous plaît, Conseiller

2891
01:41:44,060 --> 01:41:45,060
Cousineau.

2892
01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:48,060
- Pour être constant avec ce

2893
01:41:48,060 --> 01:41:51,060
projet-là, je vais voter contre.

2894
01:41:51,060 --> 01:41:52,060
- Encore une fois, juste pour

2895
01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:54,060
être clair, on vote contre 15,3?

2896
01:41:54,060 --> 01:41:56,060
- Oui. Merci.

2897
01:42:02,020 --> 01:42:03,020
- 16.1 Octroyer un contrat pour

2898
01:42:03,020 --> 01:42:04,020
des travaux de gazonnement en

2899
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:05,020
plaques sur diverses emprises de

2900
01:42:05,020 --> 01:42:06,020
rue, à B&B Déneigement et

2901
01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:08,020
Pelouse Inc., Pour un montant

2902
01:42:08,020 --> 01:42:09,020
total de 59 442,08 $, taxes

2903
01:42:09,020 --> 01:42:11,020
incluses. La Ville souhaite

2904
01:42:11,020 --> 01:42:12,020
réaliser des travaux de

2905
01:42:12,020 --> 01:42:15,020
remplacement de gazon en plaques

2906
01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:16,020
sur l'emprise municipal de

2907
01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:17,020
divers terrains résidentiels,

2908
01:42:17,020 --> 01:42:18,020
répartis sur tout son

2909
01:42:18,020 --> 01:42:20,020
territoire. Ces travaux font

2910
01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:21,020
suite à diverses réflexions de

2911
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:25,020
rue des dernières années. 16.2

2912
01:42:25,020 --> 01:42:26,020
Approve a change order to the

2913
01:42:26,020 --> 01:42:27,020
contract entered into with

2914
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:28,020
Néolect Inc., For the

2915
01:42:28,020 --> 01:42:30,020
replacement of streetlights on

2916
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:32,020
Stillview Avenue, for an amount

2917
01:42:32,020 --> 01:42:35,020
of $ 4,059.84, taxes included.

2918
01:42:35,020 --> 01:42:37,020
The modification consists of the

2919
01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:38,020
supply and installation of a

2920
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:41,020
pull box and an overrun of

2921
01:42:41,020 --> 01:42:45,020
contaminated soil quantities.

2922
01:42:46,020 --> 01:42:47,020
- 16.3 Approuver une

2923
01:42:47,020 --> 01:42:48,020
modification au contrat

2924
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:49,020
intervenu avec Les Entreprises

2925
01:42:49,020 --> 01:42:50,020
Ventec Inc., Pour le

2926
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:51,020
remplacement de la bordure,

2927
01:42:51,020 --> 01:42:52,020
réfection des sentiers et de

2928
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:53,020
l'escalier menant au sous-sol du

2929
01:42:53,020 --> 01:42:55,020
chalet du terrain de Boulingrin,

2930
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:58,020
pour un montant de 8 571,04 $,

2931
01:42:58,020 --> 01:43:01,080
taxes incluses. La modification

2932
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:02,080
touche la gestion des sols

2933
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,080
contaminés. 16.4 Approve of a

2934
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:06,080
change order to the contract

2935
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,080
entered into with Groupe LML

2936
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:09,080
Ltée, for the replacement of

2937
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:11,080
lighting boxes on Saint-Jean

2938
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:14,080
Boulevard, for an amount of $

2939
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:17,080
10,356.79, taxes included. The

2940
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:18,080
modification is required to

2941
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:21,080
adjust the quantities of

2942
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,080
conduits and cables, and to

2943
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,080
allow the installation of a P

2944
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:26,080
and P panel to properly secure

2945
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,080
the Crossing work south of

2946
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:33,080
Saint-Jean Boulevard.

2947
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,080
>> Do I have a mover?

2948
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:36,080
- Pour 16 recule un à de quatre

2949
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,080
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.

2950
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,080
>> And seconder?

2951
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:42,080
>> All in favour?

2952
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:45,080
- Claude Cousineau, district un.

2953
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:49,080
- Merci.

2954
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:50,080
- Les personnes présentes

2955
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:51,080
peuvent s'adresser au Conseil

2956
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,080
concernant les items 17.1 à

2957
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:56,080
17.5. The persons present may

2958
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:57,080
address Council on the items

2959
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:01,040
17.1 to 17.5.

2960
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,040
>> There was another document, I

2961
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:14,040
thought it was here, I saw it

2962
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:19,040
online. It's a document called

2963
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:23,040
public notice, and it's for the

2964
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,040
lot on Libra's Street. Here it

2965
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:29,040
says item one, A B C D. It's a

2966
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:30,040
little bit different than what's

2967
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:34,040
on the document that your

2968
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,040
reading now. The point I would

2969
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:40,040
like to make is the people that

2970
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:44,040
make the bylaws, they're

2971
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,040
professional people, competent.

2972
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,040
I don't understand why we don't

2973
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:51,040
follow the bylaws. There's

2974
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,040
always, you know, amendments

2975
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,040
that are asked for. The bylaws

2976
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:59,040
are there for the safety and the

2977
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,000
security, and for the community.

2978
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,000
There are reasons why the bylaws

2979
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:07,000
exists. Why are they asking for

2980
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,000
the -- I can explain a little

2981
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:15,000
bit better. Okay, if I remember

2982
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,000
correctly, this is the building

2983
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:23,000
where it's going to be, the

2984
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,000
government is going to subsidize

2985
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,000
15% for 15 years on Libra's

2986
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:29,000
Street. That's the one we

2987
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,000
discussed in the previous

2988
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:32,000
meeting, this building?

2989
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:33,000
>> Yes.

2990
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,000
>> Okay, thank you. Now they're

2991
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,000
coming, the first thing they're

2992
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,000
saying a, they want to have only

2993
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,000
334 parking spaces instead of

2994
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:44,000
267 dwelling units. So, --

2995
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,000
dwellings in the unit. Usually,

2996
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:50,000
most condos, they will have one

2997
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,000
parking for each apartment. So,

2998
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,000
what happens is I often go to

2999
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,000
the business across the street

3000
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,000
where there is a plaza with the

3001
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:02,060
CIA and the tower -- plaza. As

3002
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:04,060
it is now, it's always a

3003
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:06,060
struggle to find a parking spot.

3004
01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:07,060
Often, I have to weigh that

3005
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:09,060
somebody moved out across the

3006
01:46:09,060 --> 01:46:10,060
street where this building will

3007
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:13,060
be built. There is a sign for

3008
01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:16,060
its being used by the project

3009
01:46:16,060 --> 01:46:18,060
Medical Center for their staff

3010
01:46:18,060 --> 01:46:21,060
parking. So, all these cars, for

3011
01:46:21,060 --> 01:46:23,060
the project medical building,

3012
01:46:23,060 --> 01:46:26,060
they will end up being parking

3013
01:46:26,060 --> 01:46:28,060
somewhere else and all of those

3014
01:46:28,060 --> 01:46:29,060
that don't have enough parking

3015
01:46:29,060 --> 01:46:30,060
in that building, they're going

3016
01:46:30,060 --> 01:46:32,060
to be parking on the streets.

3017
01:46:32,060 --> 01:46:33,060
The visitors are going to be

3018
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:35,060
parking on the streets. The area

3019
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:37,060
is going to be, like, where can

3020
01:46:37,060 --> 01:46:41,060
we park? There's not enough

3021
01:46:41,060 --> 01:46:44,060
parking. So, that's one item.

3022
01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:46,060
>> Councillor Stainforth, you

3023
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:51,060
would like to respond to that?

3024
01:46:52,060 --> 01:46:53,060
>> The parking lot you are

3025
01:46:53,060 --> 01:46:56,060
referring to is on the property

3026
01:46:56,060 --> 01:46:58,060
adjoining this property. It's a

3027
01:46:58,060 --> 01:46:59,060
different property. That parking

3028
01:46:59,060 --> 01:47:01,020
lot will remain.

3029
01:47:01,020 --> 01:47:03,020
>> The parking lot remains? So,

3030
01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:07,020
where exactly? This is on

3031
01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:08,020
Labrosse, where exactly is it?

3032
01:47:08,020 --> 01:47:12,020
In front of the CAO?

3033
01:47:12,020 --> 01:47:14,020
- C'est vraiment, Madame Conway,

3034
01:47:14,020 --> 01:47:16,020
au coin de la brosse et

3035
01:47:16,020 --> 01:47:17,020
Saint-Jean. Vraiment, c'est un

3036
01:47:17,020 --> 01:47:19,020
terrain qui vient en L, vous

3037
01:47:19,020 --> 01:47:20,020
savez qu'il y avait l'ancien

3038
01:47:20,020 --> 01:47:22,020
café, à l'arrière et sur le côté

3039
01:47:22,020 --> 01:47:24,020
de ce terrain-là. Mais le

3040
01:47:24,020 --> 01:47:26,020
terrain, le parking dont vous

3041
01:47:26,020 --> 01:47:27,020
parlez à l'arrière, lui, il

3042
01:47:27,020 --> 01:47:28,020
reste. Ce n'est pas l'ensemble

3043
01:47:28,020 --> 01:47:30,020
de ce terrain-là.

3044
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:31,020
- Ça, c'est...

3045
01:47:31,020 --> 01:47:32,020
- Ces trois terrains différents.

3046
01:47:32,020 --> 01:47:34,020
- Lequel dont on a parlée

3047
01:47:34,020 --> 01:47:36,020
antérieurement? On disait de

3048
01:47:36,020 --> 01:47:38,020
faire des édifices de 15 ou 16

3049
01:47:38,020 --> 01:47:39,020
étages?

3050
01:47:39,020 --> 01:47:40,020
- C'est un peu moins que ça,

3051
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:41,020
mais oui, c'est exactement ce

3052
01:47:41,020 --> 01:47:42,020
terrain-là, c'est 13 étages et

3053
01:47:42,020 --> 01:47:43,020
oui, c'est ce projet-là qu'on

3054
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:44,020
discute.

3055
01:47:44,020 --> 01:47:46,020
- O.K.. Mais là, il n'y aura

3056
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:48,020
même pas comme un stationnement

3057
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:53,020
par appartement... je ne sais

3058
01:47:53,020 --> 01:47:55,020
pas si, mon point c'est de voir

3059
01:47:55,020 --> 01:47:56,020
le problème que ça peut causer.

3060
01:47:56,020 --> 01:47:57,020
There are condos on Hymus where

3061
01:47:57,020 --> 01:47:58,020
there is not enough even parking

3062
01:47:58,020 --> 01:47:59,020
for the units, there's not

3063
01:47:59,020 --> 01:48:00,080
enough visitor parking. Parce

3064
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:04,080
que déjà

3065
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,080
There is going to be too much

3066
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:07,080
parking in the streets in the

3067
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:10,080
area. That's one of the problems

3068
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:15,080
that I see with this project and

3069
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:19,080
then that was a. Be, the length

3070
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,080
of the parking spaces. Okay, I'm

3071
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:23,080
not going to dispute that too

3072
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:27,080
much. B and C is the same thing.

3073
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:29,080
Five metres instead of 5.5 and

3074
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,080
six metres instead of 6.6, I

3075
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,080
won't really touch that. And

3076
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:37,080
then item the was that the

3077
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:39,080
ground elevation of the land

3078
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:42,080
site be raised by 1.5 metres,

3079
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,080
whereas it cannot be raised as

3080
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,080
it's already 30 centimetres

3081
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:47,080
higher than the average height

3082
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:50,080
of the ground of the street to

3083
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:53,080
which the land is adjacent. But

3084
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:57,080
if the bylaw says they want the

3085
01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:01,040
-- they're saying they have 30

3086
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:02,040
centimetres. Like, considering

3087
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:06,040
the rain we got, has some of the

3088
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:10,040
people that I've heard of during

3089
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:12,040
the reign, the deluge of August

3090
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,040
9th, the water just didn't come

3091
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,040
from the basement. Some water

3092
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:20,040
came from the garage doors. Some

3093
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:21,040
said the water came from the

3094
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,040
windows, so if the building is

3095
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:26,040
not high enough at 1.5 metres,

3096
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:27,040
this causes this kind of problem

3097
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:32,040
that we had in August. So, those

3098
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:35,040
are the point I wanted to make.

3099
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,040
>> Okay, is there a question?

3100
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,040
>> That's my objection, those

3101
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,040
are points I wanted to make.

3102
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:41,040
Because if you're going to be

3103
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,040
voting on it, you should be

3104
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:44,040
aware, like we just had all this

3105
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:48,040
rain, this flood, like is this

3106
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:49,040
building not going to flood the

3107
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:50,040
next time there is a deluge if

3108
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:54,040
it's not high enough?

3109
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:57,040
>> We will have to see. I am

3110
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:58,040
assuming it won't.

3111
01:49:58,040 --> 01:49:59,040
>> You're voting on this

3112
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:00,000
tonight.

3113
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,000
>> We haven't seen it flood, it

3114
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:02,000
hasn't been built yet, so we

3115
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,000
don't know.

3116
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,000
>> That's what I'm saying. My

3117
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,000
first point that I made is we

3118
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:07,000
have competent people that

3119
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:08,000
decided what the bylaw should

3120
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,000
be, so they decided that the

3121
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,000
bylaw should be 1.5 metres.

3122
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,000
There is a suggestion that they

3123
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,000
want 30 centimetres to be

3124
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:17,000
enough?

3125
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,000
>> Well, here is hoping it does

3126
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,000
not float and here's hoping that

3127
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:22,000
--

3128
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:23,000
>> Just hoping?

3129
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,000
>> It's been voted to change for

3130
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,000
valid reasons and here's hoping

3131
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,000
it does not float in the future.

3132
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,000
>> But if the people that make

3133
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,000
the bylaws, they suggested a

3134
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,000
certain height, why would the

3135
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,000
Council go against that?

3136
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,000
>> It's not entirely Council. I

3137
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,000
suspect it's also the R C C you

3138
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:42,000
and it could be other people who

3139
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,000
have advised that it's okay.

3140
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,000
>> What other professional looks

3141
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,000
at this before you vote on it?

3142
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:48,000
Any professional explains what

3143
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:49,000
it is?

3144
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,000
>> Yes, the CCU, our pack

3145
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:52,000
committee who are specialists

3146
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,000
look at it and decide.

3147
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,000
>> And they're more

3148
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:56,000
knowledgeable than the people

3149
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,000
who did the bylaws?

3150
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,060
>> They might know more

3151
01:51:00,060 --> 01:51:03,060
specifically about that project,

3152
01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:04,060
more specialized knowledge on

3153
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:05,060
the project.

3154
01:51:05,060 --> 01:51:08,060
>> So, why everybody across the

3155
01:51:08,060 --> 01:51:09,060
street annex of them would be

3156
01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:11,060
1.5 metres and not them?

3157
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:12,060
>> Well, --

3158
01:51:12,060 --> 01:51:14,060
>> That's the questions that

3159
01:51:14,060 --> 01:51:15,060
were raised before this meeting.

3160
01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:18,060
>> It's a good question. Miss

3161
01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:19,060
Conway.

3162
01:51:19,060 --> 01:51:20,060
>> You are going to be voting on

3163
01:51:20,060 --> 01:51:21,060
this tonight.

3164
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:22,060
>> Absolutely.

3165
01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:24,060
>> So you can consider what my

3166
01:51:24,060 --> 01:51:25,060
arguments were.

3167
01:51:25,060 --> 01:51:26,060
>> Well, I won't be voting for

3168
01:51:26,060 --> 01:51:28,060
the project anyhow, just to

3169
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:32,060
assure you. We don't know. We

3170
01:51:32,060 --> 01:51:33,060
will have to wait and see the

3171
01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:36,060
vote. You can't assume.

3172
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:37,060
>> --

3173
01:51:37,060 --> 01:51:39,060
>> Councillor Stork?

3174
01:51:39,060 --> 01:51:40,060
>> I was trying to refrain from

3175
01:51:40,060 --> 01:51:44,060
answering but, you know, I don't

3176
01:51:44,060 --> 01:51:45,060
remember exactly, but when they

3177
01:51:45,060 --> 01:51:47,060
write a bylaw, it's a general,

3178
01:51:47,060 --> 01:51:50,060
broad sweep of a brush, okay?

3179
01:51:50,060 --> 01:51:53,060
Every house, every corner lot,

3180
01:51:53,060 --> 01:51:54,060
ill shaped lots have different

3181
01:51:54,060 --> 01:51:56,060
issues that need to be

3182
01:51:56,060 --> 01:51:58,060
addressed. In this one, if I'm

3183
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:01,020
not mistaken, it's because there

3184
01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:03,020
was something to do with the

3185
01:52:03,020 --> 01:52:05,020
front setback of distances and

3186
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:06,020
they wanted to make the entrance

3187
01:52:06,020 --> 01:52:07,020
on the same level as something

3188
01:52:07,020 --> 01:52:11,020
in the back, so by and large,

3189
01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:14,020
just like, are you an expert on

3190
01:52:14,020 --> 01:52:15,020
these type of issues, these

3191
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:17,020
bylaws? Nor am I.

3192
01:52:17,020 --> 01:52:19,020
>> I have my logic and I read

3193
01:52:19,020 --> 01:52:20,020
what I read.

3194
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:21,020
>> With that being said, it does

3195
01:52:21,020 --> 01:52:23,020
go to the pack. It sat down by

3196
01:52:23,020 --> 01:52:25,020
engineers, urban planners, they

3197
01:52:25,020 --> 01:52:26,020
say sit with the developer, they

3198
01:52:26,020 --> 01:52:28,020
go over the issues. It was

3199
01:52:28,020 --> 01:52:30,020
reviewed why and I don't see the

3200
01:52:30,020 --> 01:52:32,020
equation. If it's 30

3201
01:52:32,020 --> 01:52:33,020
centimetres, which is about two

3202
01:52:33,020 --> 01:52:35,020
point 54 centimetres, that's

3203
01:52:35,020 --> 01:52:37,020
about half a foot lower. I think

3204
01:52:37,020 --> 01:52:38,020
it's to lower the building to

3205
01:52:38,020 --> 01:52:39,020
make it towards the streetscape

3206
01:52:39,020 --> 01:52:41,020
to be easier, why that would

3207
01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:43,020
cause more or less flooding than

3208
01:52:43,020 --> 01:52:45,020
anything else. But all these

3209
01:52:45,020 --> 01:52:47,020
things are looked at. It was

3210
01:52:47,020 --> 01:52:49,020
discussed, it is a -- we do many

3211
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:51,020
of those for different reasons.

3212
01:52:51,020 --> 01:52:53,020
But because once I said, that

3213
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:55,020
bylaw was probably created a

3214
01:52:55,020 --> 01:52:56,020
long time ago, before houses

3215
01:52:56,020 --> 01:52:59,020
changed, buildings change.

3216
01:52:59,020 --> 01:53:00,080
Industrial buildings change, so

3217
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,080
it's a broad brush. And when

3218
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,080
they look at these things, they

3219
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:05,080
try to make sure the package

3220
01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:06,080
works, and it fits, and at no

3221
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,080
point do I believe, as Mayor

3222
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:10,080
Thomas said, at no point they

3223
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:12,080
would've discussed and look at,

3224
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:13,080
you know, the potential for

3225
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:14,080
flooding. So, I don't think at

3226
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:17,080
this point, I can't personally,

3227
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:19,080
with my common sense, equate if

3228
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:21,080
it's 30 centimetres lower that

3229
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,080
it would flood anymore or any

3230
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:24,080
less interfaces than the same

3231
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:25,080
height.

3232
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:26,080
>> It's not 30 centimetres

3233
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:27,080
lower. They seem to be

3234
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:30,080
suggesting that they are at 30

3235
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:34,080
centimetres, but the -- it's as

3236
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,080
the ground elevation of the

3237
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,080
landslide be raised by 1.5

3238
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,080
metres, whereas it cannot be

3239
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:41,080
raised because it's already at

3240
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:43,080
30 centimetres. The language is

3241
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:46,080
not very clear. To me, it sort

3242
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:47,080
of sounds like it should be 1.5

3243
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:48,080
but they are saying they're okay

3244
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:50,080
because there are 30

3245
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:51,080
centimetres.

3246
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:52,080
>> This is maybe not the

3247
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:53,080
appropriate time to discuss this

3248
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,080
but the Planning Committee, the

3249
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,080
administration, urban planners,

3250
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:58,080
engineers, they look at these

3251
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,040
projects. -- Is everybody

3252
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:01,040
perfect? Definitely not with

3253
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,040
these projects are looked at,

3254
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:04,040
explained, evaluated. We have

3255
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:05,040
competent people on our packed

3256
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,040
Committee, we have competent

3257
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,040
engineers and that's basically,

3258
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,040
there was no -- your point is

3259
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:14,040
well taken and it will be

3260
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:15,040
considered.

3261
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:20,040
>> Thank you.

3262
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:29,040
- 17.1 Considérer une demande de

3263
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:30,040
dérogation mineure concernant le

3264
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:34,040
lot 2 527 350 du Cadastre du

3265
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:35,040
Québec

3266
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:36,040
(situé approximativement à

3267
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,040
l'intersection de l'avenue

3268
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:38,040
Labrosse et du boulevard

3269
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:39,040
Saint-Jean)

3270
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,040
. Pour permettre 334 cases de

3271
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,040
stationnement pour 367 logements

3272
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:45,040
au lieu du minimum requis d'une

3273
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:46,040
case de stationnement requis par

3274
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:50,040
logements. Les 24 heures de

3275
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:52,040
stationnement d'une longueur de

3276
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:53,040
5 mètres au lieu du minimum

3277
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:55,040
requis de 5,5 mètres. Des allées

3278
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:56,040
du circulation à double sens

3279
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:57,040
d'une largeur de 6 mètres au

3280
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:00,000
lieu du minimum requis de 6,6

3281
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,000
mètres, enfin, que le niveau du

3282
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:02,000
sol du terrain soit augmenté de

3283
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:05,000
1,5 mètre alors qu'il ne peut

3284
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:06,000
l'être puisqu'il est déjà

3285
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,000
supérieur de 30 centimètres

3286
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:09,000
au-dessus du niveau moyen du

3287
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:10,000
centre de toutes rues à laquelle

3288
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:14,000
le terrain est adjacent. Do I

3289
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,000
have a mover?

3290
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:19,000
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3291
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,000
district 12.

3292
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:22,000
>> And seconder?

3293
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,000
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3294
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,000
>> All in favour?

3295
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:29,000
>> Mr. Stork, --

3296
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,000
>> Oh, sorry.

3297
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:34,000
>> Thank you.

3298
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:38,000
>> So, 17.2 Consider a minor

3299
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:39,000
exemption request concerning the

3300
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,000
property situated at 19 Belton

3301
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,000
Avenue. It is to permit an

3302
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,000
extension with a rear setback of

3303
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,000
six metres, rather than the

3304
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:50,000
minimum required of 7.5 metres.

3305
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:54,000
- 17.3 Considérer une demande de

3306
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:55,000
dérogation mineure concernant la

3307
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:56,000
propriété située au 175, avenue

3308
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,000
Devito. Pour permettre une

3309
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:59,000
clôture située dans la marge de

3310
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,060
recul avant d'une hauteur de

3311
01:56:00,060 --> 01:56:03,060
1,82 mètre plutôt que le maximum

3312
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:04,060
permis de omettre et une clôture

3313
01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:05,060
située dans l'espace défini

3314
01:56:05,060 --> 01:56:07,060
comme le triangle de visibilité

3315
01:56:07,060 --> 01:56:09,060
avec une hauteur de 1,82 mètre

3316
01:56:09,060 --> 01:56:10,060
par rapport au centre de la rue

3317
01:56:10,060 --> 01:56:11,060
plutôt que le maximum permis de

3318
01:56:11,060 --> 01:56:15,060
91 centimètres. 17.4 Consider a

3319
01:56:15,060 --> 01:56:16,060
minor exemption request

3320
01:56:16,060 --> 01:56:17,060
concerning the property situated

3321
01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:20,060
at 2345 Trans-CanadaHighway. It

3322
01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:21,060
is to permit the installation of

3323
01:56:21,060 --> 01:56:23,060
two additional signs on the

3324
01:56:23,060 --> 01:56:25,060
south side wall of the building,

3325
01:56:25,060 --> 01:56:29,060
with a civic addresses of 2345,

3326
01:56:29,060 --> 01:56:31,060
2395 Trans-Canada Highway,

3327
01:56:31,060 --> 01:56:33,060
that's bringing the total to six

3328
01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:34,060
signs rather than the maximum

3329
01:56:34,060 --> 01:56:38,060
permitted of four.

3330
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:43,060
- 17.5 Considérer une demande de

3331
01:56:43,060 --> 01:56:44,060
dérogation mineure concernant la

3332
01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:45,060
propriété située au 193, avenue

3333
01:56:45,060 --> 01:56:46,060
Donegani. Pour permettre une

3334
01:56:46,060 --> 01:56:47,060
marge de recul arrière de 5,65

3335
01:56:47,060 --> 01:56:48,060
mètre plutôt que le minimum

3336
01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:51,060
requis de 6 mètres. >> For 17.1

3337
01:56:51,060 --> 01:56:54,060
to 17.5, do I have a mover?

3338
01:56:54,060 --> 01:56:55,060
>> Sorry, 17.2.

3339
01:56:55,060 --> 01:56:59,060
>> Oh, 17.2 to 17.5. Do I have a

3340
01:56:59,060 --> 01:57:00,020
mover?

3341
01:57:00,020 --> 01:57:03,020
>> I move to approve 17.2 to

3342
01:57:03,020 --> 01:57:05,020
17.5. Tara Stainforth, district

3343
01:57:05,020 --> 01:57:06,020
four.

3344
01:57:06,020 --> 01:57:07,020
>> And a seconder?

3345
01:57:07,020 --> 01:57:08,020
>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

3346
01:57:08,020 --> 01:57:13,020
>> All in favour?

3347
01:57:13,020 --> 01:57:15,020
>> 17.6 Consider the site

3348
01:57:15,020 --> 01:57:16,020
planning and architectural

3349
01:57:16,020 --> 01:57:17,020
integration programme plans with

3350
01:57:17,020 --> 01:57:19,020
respect to lot 2 527 350 of the

3351
01:57:19,020 --> 01:57:23,020
Cadastre of Québec

3352
01:57:24,020 --> 01:57:25,020
(approximately located at the

3353
01:57:25,020 --> 01:57:26,020
intersection of Labrosse

3354
01:57:26,020 --> 01:57:27,020
Avenue and Saint-Jean Boulevard)

3355
01:57:27,020 --> 01:57:28,020
. It is to allow the

3356
01:57:28,020 --> 01:57:29,020
construction of the mixed use

3357
01:57:29,020 --> 01:57:30,020
multi residential complex on a

3358
01:57:30,020 --> 01:57:33,020
vacant lot, consisting of 2:13

3359
01:57:33,020 --> 01:57:36,020
storey buildings, totaling 367

3360
01:57:36,020 --> 01:57:37,020
dwellings of which a

3361
01:57:37,020 --> 01:57:39,020
predominance our partnership

3362
01:57:39,020 --> 01:57:42,020
with the CMHC and considered as

3363
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:43,020
affordable with a guarantee for

3364
01:57:43,020 --> 01:57:46,020
a minimum period of 16 years.

3365
01:57:46,020 --> 01:57:47,020
1000 square feet of floor space

3366
01:57:47,020 --> 01:57:49,020
on the ground floor reserved for

3367
01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:50,020
a community organization with

3368
01:57:50,020 --> 01:57:52,020
the reduced rent for a period of

3369
01:57:52,020 --> 01:57:55,020
16 years and also, 500 square

3370
01:57:55,020 --> 01:57:57,020
feet of floor space reserved for

3371
01:57:57,020 --> 01:57:58,020
a mini pool for food

3372
01:57:58,020 --> 01:58:00,080
distribution free of rent for a

3373
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:05,080
period of 16 years.

3374
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:12,080
>> Brent Cowan, district, eight

3375
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,080
I move that we -- second

3376
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:16,080
planning architectural

3377
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:17,080
integration plans for --

3378
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:20,080
>> And seconder?

3379
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:21,080
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

3380
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,080
>> All in favour?

3381
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:27,080
>> Thank you.

3382
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:31,080
- 17.7 Autoriser la signature

3383
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:32,080
d'une entente à intervenir entre

3384
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:33,080
la Ville et 9429-2562 Québec

3385
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:36,080
Inc. Afin de préciser la nature

3386
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:37,080
et d'assurer la mise en oeuvre

3387
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:38,080
des conditions applicables à un

3388
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:39,080
usage conditionnel accordé par

3389
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:42,080
la Ville, par sa résolution

3390
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:44,080
2023-582 du 5 décembre 2023,

3391
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,080
telle que modifiée par la

3392
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:48,080
résolution 2024-421 du 13 août

3393
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:52,080
2024. Cette entente vise à

3394
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:53,080
assurer la mise en oeuvre et le

3395
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:54,080
respect des conditions

3396
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:55,080
applicables aux projets décrits

3397
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:56,080
au point précédent, donc au

3398
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:59,080
point 17,6, coin Labrosse et

3399
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,040
Saint-Jean. À l'égard de l'usage

3400
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,040
permis et plus précisément, à

3401
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:04,040
l'égard du respect de la

3402
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:05,040
condition liée à l'abordabilité

3403
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,040
des loyers. L'entente identifie

3404
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,040
notamment les obligations de

3405
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:10,040
reddition de comptes du

3406
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:15,040
promoteur envers la ville. >>

3407
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:20,040
For 17 point, 72 I have a mover?

3408
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:21,040
>> Brent Cowan, I'm very happy

3409
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:22,040
to support this, the signing of

3410
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:23,040
this agreement. This is perhaps

3411
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:25,040
-- I don't know how many

3412
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:26,040
agreements of this kind across

3413
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:27,040
the country there are, we may

3414
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:29,040
have been the first city across

3415
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,040
the country to enter into an

3416
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:32,040
agreement with a developer to

3417
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,040
provide guarantees, verifiable

3418
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:36,040
guarantees, of the continued

3419
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:38,040
status of affordability of the

3420
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:42,040
housing of this development, as

3421
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:45,040
defined by the -- housing

3422
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:47,040
corporation. We all know that

3423
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:52,040
there is a housing crisis in the

3424
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:55,040
country, and a way to address

3425
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:56,040
the housing crisis,

3426
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:57,040
unfortunately for those of us

3427
01:59:57,040 --> 02:00:00,000
who prefer that there be no

3428
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,000
change in the way to address it

3429
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:04,000
is to build, and you build

3430
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,000
houses to meet the demand, and

3431
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:09,000
might also have an impact of

3432
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:13,000
dropping the cost of that

3433
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:15,000
housing. For affordable housing,

3434
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,000
it doesn't necessarily mean it's

3435
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:19,000
cheap housing, but it means it's

3436
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:21,000
less expensive than it would if

3437
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:25,000
there was no intervention in the

3438
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:26,000
market. There are three ways

3439
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:28,000
that I can think of that we can

3440
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:31,000
actually create more affordable

3441
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:33,000
homes, one is to buy as a

3442
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:36,000
community land, build, and then

3443
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,000
we can charge whatever rents we

3444
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,000
wish, if we want to reduce those

3445
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:41,000
rates, we can do it. That is a

3446
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:43,000
little bit beyond the means of

3447
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:44,000
Pointe-Claire at this stage,

3448
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,000
though there are a few buildings

3449
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:47,000
around the perhaps we could put

3450
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:49,000
that use, but it would not be a

3451
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,000
lot of housing, but it would be

3452
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:55,000
symbolic. The other way is to

3453
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:58,000
address the affordability

3454
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:01,060
situation is we could purposely

3455
02:01:01,060 --> 02:01:03,060
become such a miserable city to

3456
02:01:03,060 --> 02:01:04,060
live in that nobody would want

3457
02:01:04,060 --> 02:01:06,060
to come here. That would drop

3458
02:01:06,060 --> 02:01:08,060
our property values down and

3459
02:01:08,060 --> 02:01:09,060
Iran's would go down and we

3460
02:01:09,060 --> 02:01:10,060
could address affordable housing

3461
02:01:10,060 --> 02:01:11,060
that, but I don't think that

3462
02:01:11,060 --> 02:01:13,060
would be a very popular move.

3463
02:01:13,060 --> 02:01:14,060
And then the third way is the

3464
02:01:14,060 --> 02:01:17,060
way we are doing, by taking

3465
02:01:17,060 --> 02:01:18,060
advantage of non market forces,

3466
02:01:18,060 --> 02:01:21,060
in this case, money that's being

3467
02:01:21,060 --> 02:01:22,060
provided by the central mortgage

3468
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:26,060
and housing corporation, with

3469
02:01:26,060 --> 02:01:27,060
rules. And we have entered into

3470
02:01:27,060 --> 02:01:29,060
an agreement with a developer so

3471
02:01:29,060 --> 02:01:31,060
the City has visibility that

3472
02:01:31,060 --> 02:01:33,060
those rules are being respected.

3473
02:01:33,060 --> 02:01:34,060
So I think that's the best we

3474
02:01:34,060 --> 02:01:35,060
can do at this time, so I'm

3475
02:01:35,060 --> 02:01:39,060
happy to support this motion.

3476
02:01:39,060 --> 02:01:44,060
>> And a seconder?

3477
02:01:45,060 --> 02:01:46,060
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

3478
02:01:46,060 --> 02:01:47,060
district to be.

3479
02:01:47,060 --> 02:01:49,060
- Monsieur le Maire, j'ai

3480
02:01:49,060 --> 02:01:50,060
quelques commentaires à faire

3481
02:01:50,060 --> 02:01:51,060
par rapport à ce projet-là

3482
02:01:51,060 --> 02:01:53,060
également. Donc si vous me

3483
02:01:53,060 --> 02:01:54,060
permettez... le projet qui nous

3484
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:55,060
est présentée aujourd'hui par

3485
02:01:55,060 --> 02:01:56,060
une entreprise de construction

3486
02:01:56,060 --> 02:01:57,060
et de développement immobilier

3487
02:01:57,060 --> 02:01:58,060
appelé Devmont et le dernier

3488
02:01:58,060 --> 02:01:59,060
d'une petite série de

3489
02:01:59,060 --> 02:02:00,020
propositions développement issus

3490
02:02:00,020 --> 02:02:01,020
de l'administration belvédères

3491
02:02:01,020 --> 02:02:02,020
que ce conseil a dû envisager

3492
02:02:02,020 --> 02:02:03,020
d'exclure du gel pour une raison

3493
02:02:03,020 --> 02:02:04,020
particulière ou une autre. If

3494
02:02:04,020 --> 02:02:05,020
you allow me just a few words on

3495
02:02:05,020 --> 02:02:06,020
this put together project, the

3496
02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:11,020
project we have presented --

3497
02:02:14,020 --> 02:02:15,020
Il n'y en a eu trois ou quatre

3498
02:02:15,020 --> 02:02:18,020
par le passé. De son propre

3499
02:02:18,020 --> 02:02:20,020
aveu, Devmont affirme proposer

3500
02:02:20,020 --> 02:02:22,020
un projet audacieux, conçu pour

3501
02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:25,020
établir la norme en matière de

3502
02:02:25,020 --> 02:02:26,020
réaménagement urbain à

3503
02:02:26,020 --> 02:02:27,020
l'intérieur ou à proximité d'une

3504
02:02:27,020 --> 02:02:30,020
zone de développement axé sur

3505
02:02:30,020 --> 02:02:32,020
les transports en commun à

3506
02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:37,020
Pointe-Claire. Selon Devmont,

3507
02:02:40,020 --> 02:02:41,020
l'objectif est de créer un

3508
02:02:41,020 --> 02:02:42,020
repère visuel distinctifs qui

3509
02:02:42,020 --> 02:02:43,020
sera enrichir le cadre

3510
02:02:43,020 --> 02:02:46,020
environnant établira une

3511
02:02:46,020 --> 02:02:47,020
référence esthétique pour le

3512
02:02:47,020 --> 02:02:49,020
futur développement du secteur.

3513
02:02:49,020 --> 02:02:51,020
Pour atteindre cet objectif, ils

3514
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:54,020
nous ont fait appel à un cabinet

3515
02:02:54,020 --> 02:02:55,020
d'architectes primé qui a

3516
02:02:55,020 --> 02:02:58,020
notamment conçu l'immeuble Link

3517
02:02:58,020 --> 02:02:59,020
et l'hôtel Mont Ville à Montréal

3518
02:02:59,020 --> 02:03:02,080
ainsi que

3519
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:03,080
(---)

3520
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:04,080
à Vancouver. Vous pouvez

3521
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:05,080
facilement trouver ces exemples

3522
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:07,080
en ligne. Outre sa proposition

3523
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:10,080
de conception architecturale

3524
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:12,080
emblématique, Devmont affirmons

3525
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:13,080
vouloir apporter à Pointe-Claire

3526
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:14,080
des immeubles à échelle humaine,

3527
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,080
des logements à prix réduits

3528
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:18,080
grâce à un programme de la SCHL,

3529
02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:19,080
comme on l'a décrit, de la

3530
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:20,080
Société canadienne d'hypothèques

3531
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:24,080
et de logement. Des sources

3532
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:25,080
d'énergie géothermiques, des

3533
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:26,080
méthodes de construction

3534
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:27,080
écologique, des systèmes de

3535
02:03:27,080 --> 02:03:31,080
gestion des eaux de pluie, un

3536
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:32,080
environnement de mobilité

3537
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:34,080
active, diverses mesures de

3538
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:35,080
réduction des îlots de chaleur,

3539
02:03:35,080 --> 02:03:36,080
1000 pieds carrés à loyer

3540
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:38,080
réduits pour un organisme

3541
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:40,080
communautaire, 500 pieds carrés

3542
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:43,080
gratuits pour des programmes de

3543
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:44,080
dispositions alimentaires, un

3544
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:45,080
jardin communautaire et un parc

3545
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:47,080
public. Un atelier de réparation

3546
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:49,080
de bicyclettes et de moyens

3547
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:51,080
d'entreposage de bicyclettes

3548
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:52,080
adapté aux besoins des

3549
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:54,080
cyclistes, finalement, 368

3550
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:56,080
logements de taille diverse dans

3551
02:03:56,080 --> 02:04:00,040
un secteur qui longent un

3552
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:02,040
secteur commercial. Compte tenu

3553
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:03,040
de sa proposition audacieuse qui

3554
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,040
tente au moins de relever les

3555
02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:07,040
défis sociaux, économiques,

3556
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:09,040
écologique et de design urbain,

3557
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:13,040
je suis prêt à accorder le

3558
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:17,040
bénéfice du doute. The project

3559
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:19,040
before us today from a

3560
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:20,040
construction and revetment

3561
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,040
company called -- is the last of

3562
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:25,040
a small -- bill borne of the

3563
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:26,040
Belvedere it menstruation, which

3564
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,040
this council --

3565
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:29,040
>> You are. Honour

3566
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:30,040
>> Has had to ponder excluding

3567
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:32,040
from the freeze from one

3568
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:34,040
exceptional reason or another,

3569
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:35,040
there have been three or four

3570
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:37,040
these in the past. By its own

3571
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:40,040
admission, Dev Mont says it is

3572
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:42,040
proposing a bold project, one

3573
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:45,040
designed to set the standard for

3574
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:47,040
-- in our proximity to a transit

3575
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:51,040
oriented development, aka A TOD.

3576
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:52,040
Devin wants aim at the northern

3577
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:54,040
gate is to create a distinctive

3578
02:04:54,040 --> 02:04:56,040
visual landmark that in reaches

3579
02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:58,040
its landmarks and sets an

3580
02:04:58,040 --> 02:05:00,000
aesthetic benchmark for future

3581
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:01,000
developments in the area. To

3582
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:04,000
achieve its objective, it --

3583
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:05,000
award-winning architectural

3584
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:06,000
buildings that have designed the

3585
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,000
link building and the Melville

3586
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:08,000
oh tell in Montréal, as well as

3587
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,000
the Grosvenor Pacific in

3588
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:11,000
Vancouver as other. You can

3589
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:13,000
easily find these examples

3590
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:14,000
online. In addition to the

3591
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:16,000
state's signature architecture

3592
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,000
design proposal, Devmont says

3593
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,000
they also seek to bring to

3594
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:21,000
Pointe-Claire human scale

3595
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:22,000
buildings, discounted housing by

3596
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:26,000
way of the CMHC, Canada mortgage

3597
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:27,000
and housing corporation, through

3598
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:29,000
their own programs, geothermal

3599
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:30,000
energy sources, ecological

3600
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:32,000
building methods, rainwater

3601
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,000
management systems, an active

3602
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,000
mobility environment, various

3603
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:37,000
heat island reduction measures,

3604
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:39,000
1000 square feet at reduced rent

3605
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,000
for a community organization,

3606
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:42,000
500 square feet of free rent for

3607
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:45,000
food distribution programs, a

3608
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:46,000
community garden facility in

3609
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:48,000
public park, a bike repair

3610
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,000
workshop and cyclists friendly

3611
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,000
bike storage stations, and in

3612
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:55,000
the end, 367 dwellings of

3613
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:58,000
various sizes in a commercial

3614
02:05:58,000 --> 02:05:59,000
location. Given its adventurous

3615
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:01,060
proposal, one that at least

3616
02:06:01,060 --> 02:06:02,060
attempts to address social,

3617
02:06:02,060 --> 02:06:03,060
economic, environmental, and

3618
02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:05,060
urban design challenges, I'm

3619
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:08,060
prepared to give west more

3620
02:06:08,060 --> 02:06:09,060
Pointe-Claire, as it is, called

3621
02:06:09,060 --> 02:06:10,060
the benefit of the doubt and

3622
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:12,060
have those in favour of all

3623
02:06:12,060 --> 02:06:14,060
aspects related to that project

3624
02:06:14,060 --> 02:06:16,060
tonight. Thank you.

3625
02:06:16,060 --> 02:06:18,060
>> Councillor Cousineau, you --

3626
02:06:18,060 --> 02:06:20,060
>> I don't want to debate on

3627
02:06:20,060 --> 02:06:25,060
this, but I don't recall at the

3628
02:06:25,060 --> 02:06:29,060
end of John Belvedere's, mayor

3629
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:32,060
Belvedere's term, I don't recall

3630
02:06:32,060 --> 02:06:37,060
what you are or saying Mister

3631
02:06:37,060 --> 02:06:38,060
Tremblay, but I was, there and

3632
02:06:38,060 --> 02:06:41,060
you are not, so I don't know

3633
02:06:41,060 --> 02:06:45,060
what your team is, but I don't

3634
02:06:45,060 --> 02:06:48,060
know why you put in Mayor

3635
02:06:48,060 --> 02:06:50,060
Belvedere's name in there. If he

3636
02:06:50,060 --> 02:06:52,060
has nothing to do with what is

3637
02:06:52,060 --> 02:06:56,060
happening today. Thank you.

3638
02:06:56,060 --> 02:06:58,060
>> Mister Mayor, who, response

3639
02:06:58,060 --> 02:06:59,060
since I've been mentioned in

3640
02:06:59,060 --> 02:07:04,020
that comment Premièrement, une

3641
02:07:05,020 --> 02:07:06,020
référence à l'administration

3642
02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:08,020
belvédère signifie tout

3643
02:07:08,020 --> 02:07:10,020
simplement une époque, un

3644
02:07:10,020 --> 02:07:12,020
moment, etc.. Ce n'est aucune

3645
02:07:12,020 --> 02:07:13,020
attaque personnelle ou quoi que

3646
02:07:13,020 --> 02:07:16,020
ce soit sur le maire belvédère.

3647
02:07:16,020 --> 02:07:18,020
The reason that I mentioned is

3648
02:07:18,020 --> 02:07:19,020
because there have been a number

3649
02:07:19,020 --> 02:07:22,020
of projects that have, but

3650
02:07:22,020 --> 02:07:24,020
through the -- interim control

3651
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:29,020
bylaw project, that have been

3652
02:07:29,020 --> 02:07:30,020
questioned, worked on,

3653
02:07:30,020 --> 02:07:32,020
redefined, et cetera, during the

3654
02:07:32,020 --> 02:07:34,020
entire process and this happens

3655
02:07:34,020 --> 02:07:37,020
to be one such project.

3656
02:07:37,020 --> 02:07:40,020
>> Thank you, it's a much better

3657
02:07:40,020 --> 02:07:45,020
choice of word.

3658
02:07:45,020 --> 02:07:46,020
>> Are there any other

3659
02:07:46,020 --> 02:07:51,020
commentaries? I have a few

3660
02:07:51,020 --> 02:07:54,020
myself. Selon les données de la

3661
02:07:54,020 --> 02:07:56,020
Société canadienne du pot et de

3662
02:07:56,020 --> 02:07:58,020
logement, Pointe-Claire a

3663
02:07:58,020 --> 02:07:59,020
construit plus d'unités

3664
02:07:59,020 --> 02:08:01,080
résidentielles au cours des sept

3665
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:03,080
dernières années que toutes les

3666
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:05,080
autres villes et arrondissements

3667
02:08:05,080 --> 02:08:09,080
de l'ouest de l'île réunies.

3668
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:14,080
56%, ou 2422 unités, même si

3669
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:17,080
nous comptons que 15% de la

3670
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:18,080
population totale de l'ouest de

3671
02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:22,080
l'île. Nous avons terminé le

3672
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:26,080
mois de décembre 2023 avec 955

3673
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:28,080
unités résidentiels en

3674
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:31,080
construction. C'est plus que les

3675
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:33,080
14 autres banlieues défusionné

3676
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:37,080
de l'île de Montréal réunit. En

3677
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:39,080
additionnant les unités

3678
02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:41,080
construit et en construction,

3679
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:44,080
nous aurons augmenté notre offre

3680
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:49,080
de logement de plus de 25%

3681
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:53,080
depuis le recensement de 2016.

3682
02:08:53,080 --> 02:08:54,080
Pour vous donner un exemple plus

3683
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:57,080
précis, alors que Kirkland

3684
02:08:57,080 --> 02:09:00,040
planifie un projet de 13 étages

3685
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:02,040
à côté de sa future station REM,

3686
02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:05,040
et que Pierrefonds-Roxboro a du

3687
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:08,040
mal à faire adopter un projet

3688
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:09,040
REM de ce Taj, le conseil

3689
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:14,040
municipal de Pointe-Claire à

3690
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:15,040
supprimer pratiquement toutes

3691
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:16,040
les restrictions de hauteur dans

3692
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:17,040
le secteur autour de Fairview

3693
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:19,040
pour permettre au projet de 27

3694
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:22,040
étages et fait pression ce soir

3695
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:27,040
pour un projet de 13 étages. Sur

3696
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:31,040
la brosse, 13 étages. Councillor

3697
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:32,040
Stork, I like to warn you

3698
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:33,040
there's a code of conduct in

3699
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:34,040
this meeting, and that is

3700
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:35,040
behaviour on the holding a

3701
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:37,040
representative of this council,

3702
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:38,040
and I would like to finish my

3703
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:40,040
statement without snide

3704
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:44,040
interruption. Thank you, sir.

3705
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:46,040
- Nous faisons bien que plus de

3706
02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:47,040
notre part. So before I was

3707
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:49,040
really interrupted, I was

3708
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:51,040
pointing out that we have built

3709
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:54,040
more than all of the West Island

3710
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:56,040
combined, all of the West Island

3711
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:58,040
combined, and our levels, her

3712
02:09:58,040 --> 02:10:00,000
height levels are grossly larger

3713
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,000
and then those of all the other

3714
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:03,000
West Island municipalities. I

3715
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:04,000
was talking with two other

3716
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,000
mayors today. They would not

3717
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:09,000
dare go half of these heights.

3718
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:12,000
Fairview, Fairview wants 27.

3719
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,000
Tonight we're voting for 13. I

3720
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:19,000
wouldn't mind five or six. Nous

3721
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:20,000
faisons bien plus que notre

3722
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:25,000
juste part. J'aimerais également

3723
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:26,000
souligner que ce développement

3724
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:27,000
est le type d'unités qui sont

3725
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:32,000
construits n'ont pas rendu le

3726
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:34,000
logement plus abordable à

3727
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:35,000
Pointe-Claire. Nous avons

3728
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:36,000
terminé l'année 2023 avec la

3729
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:38,000
plus forte augmentation des

3730
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:42,000
loyers énoncés de tout le pays.

3731
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:45,000
Soit 25,6%. Selon vous quatre

3732
02:10:53,000 --> 02:10:54,000
rentals.inc. According to data

3733
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:55,000
from the Canadian mortgage and

3734
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:56,000
housing corporation,

3735
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:57,000
Pointe-Claire built more

3736
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,000
residential units over the past

3737
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:01,060
seven years then all of our

3738
02:11:01,060 --> 02:11:02,060
neighbouring West Island cities

3739
02:11:02,060 --> 02:11:06,060
and boroughs put together, 56%

3740
02:11:06,060 --> 02:11:10,060
or 2422 units, even though we

3741
02:11:10,060 --> 02:11:13,060
have only 15% of the West

3742
02:11:13,060 --> 02:11:14,060
Island's total population. I

3743
02:11:14,060 --> 02:11:17,060
mean, we have just been on

3744
02:11:17,060 --> 02:11:19,060
steroids. We ended December 2023

3745
02:11:19,060 --> 02:11:22,060
it was 955 residential units

3746
02:11:22,060 --> 02:11:25,060
under construction. This is more

3747
02:11:25,060 --> 02:11:28,060
than all 14 other demerged

3748
02:11:28,060 --> 02:11:29,060
suburbs on the island of

3749
02:11:29,060 --> 02:11:32,060
Montréal put together. Had the

3750
02:11:32,060 --> 02:11:34,060
units built an under

3751
02:11:34,060 --> 02:11:35,060
construction together, and we

3752
02:11:35,060 --> 02:11:36,060
will have increased our housing

3753
02:11:36,060 --> 02:11:39,060
supply by over 27% since the

3754
02:11:39,060 --> 02:11:42,060
2016 census. To give you a more

3755
02:11:42,060 --> 02:11:44,060
specific example, while Kirkland

3756
02:11:44,060 --> 02:11:46,060
is planning a 13 storey

3757
02:11:46,060 --> 02:11:47,060
development next to its future

3758
02:11:47,060 --> 02:11:50,060
REM station and

3759
02:11:50,060 --> 02:11:51,060
Pierrefonds-Roxboro is

3760
02:11:51,060 --> 02:11:52,060
struggling to push through a six

3761
02:11:52,060 --> 02:11:54,060
storey REM development,

3762
02:11:54,060 --> 02:11:56,060
Pointe-Claire Council virtually

3763
02:11:56,060 --> 02:11:57,060
removed all height restrictions

3764
02:11:57,060 --> 02:11:59,060
on the area around Fairview to

3765
02:11:59,060 --> 02:12:02,020
allow for a 27 storey project

3766
02:12:02,020 --> 02:12:04,020
and is pushing tonight for 13

3767
02:12:04,020 --> 02:12:07,020
storeys on the bra's. We are and

3768
02:12:07,020 --> 02:12:10,020
have done much more than our

3769
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:12,020
share. I would also point out

3770
02:12:12,020 --> 02:12:14,020
that this development and the

3771
02:12:14,020 --> 02:12:16,020
kinds of units being built have

3772
02:12:16,020 --> 02:12:17,020
not made housing anymore

3773
02:12:17,020 --> 02:12:19,020
affordable in Pointe-Claire. We

3774
02:12:19,020 --> 02:12:22,020
ended 2023 with the biggest

3775
02:12:22,020 --> 02:12:23,020
increase in advertised rents in

3776
02:12:23,020 --> 02:12:28,020
the entire country, 25.6%,

3777
02:12:28,020 --> 02:12:31,020
according to rentals.ca. So our

3778
02:12:31,020 --> 02:12:34,020
poor city has been under

3779
02:12:34,020 --> 02:12:37,020
delusion and has built like

3780
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:38,020
crazy. Rents are going down. We

3781
02:12:38,020 --> 02:12:40,020
haven't made more affordable

3782
02:12:40,020 --> 02:12:43,020
housing. We do, however, have a

3783
02:12:43,020 --> 02:12:45,020
lot more potholes, a lot more

3784
02:12:45,020 --> 02:12:47,020
cars, a lot more housing, a lot

3785
02:12:47,020 --> 02:12:50,020
more citizens, we have a lot

3786
02:12:50,020 --> 02:12:51,020
more stress on our

3787
02:12:51,020 --> 02:12:53,020
infrastructure, tons more stress

3788
02:12:53,020 --> 02:12:55,020
on our infrastructure. The in

3789
02:12:55,020 --> 02:12:56,020
suing infrastructure for this

3790
02:12:56,020 --> 02:12:58,020
kind of development, we need

3791
02:12:58,020 --> 02:12:59,020
hospitals, schools, we need so

3792
02:12:59,020 --> 02:13:00,080
much more, and we're just

3793
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:02,080
scrambling to keep up. Why is

3794
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:04,080
this all on the shoulders of

3795
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:06,080
Pointe-Claire? Why is nobody

3796
02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:08,080
else on the West Island building

3797
02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:11,080
like this? We are everybody else

3798
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:13,080
combined, for years now. Why is

3799
02:13:13,080 --> 02:13:14,080
it only us? Why does

3800
02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:15,080
Pointe-Claire have to solve all

3801
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:17,080
the housing issues of the West

3802
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:20,080
Island? And why can it not be

3803
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:22,080
borne by other municipalities,

3804
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:24,080
and why are we obliged to

3805
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:25,080
continue going at the rate we

3806
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:27,080
are going at? I would like to

3807
02:13:27,080 --> 02:13:29,080
protect the city and I'd like to

3808
02:13:29,080 --> 02:13:33,080
catch up and not go at the rate

3809
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:34,080
we are going, and there's no

3810
02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:36,080
need to put 13 storeys on St.

3811
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:38,080
John's. That's my -- thank you

3812
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:43,080
for paying attention.

3813
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:48,080
So are we voting on 17.7? Is

3814
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:49,080
that what we are doing? Do we

3815
02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:50,080
need a seconder?

3816
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:51,080
>> No, just need to vote.

3817
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:56,080
>> All in favour? All against?

3818
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:03,040
Okay.

3819
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:06,040
>> 17.8, which has previously

3820
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:07,040
5.6, which I hope everyone

3821
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:09,040
remembers, we change at the

3822
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:11,040
beginning of the meeting, 17.8

3823
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:13,040
now reads Adoption of a By-law

3824
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:15,040
amending interim control by-law

3825
02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:16,040
PC-2946 in relation to the

3826
02:14:16,040 --> 02:14:17,040
revision of the planning program

3827
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:20,040
and urban planning by-laws.

3828
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:21,040
>> The purpose of the bylaws to

3829
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:24,040
amend section four point 2.4

3830
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:27,040
title exclusions of the bylaw

3831
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:30,040
PC-2946 in order to exempt lot

3832
02:14:30,040 --> 02:14:34,040
number to 527350 from the

3833
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:35,040
application of that interim

3834
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:37,040
bylaw. The project involves the

3835
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:38,040
construction of a mixed use

3836
02:14:38,040 --> 02:14:40,040
residential billet comprised of

3837
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:42,040
2:13 storey buildings totaling

3838
02:14:42,040 --> 02:14:44,040
367 units, the majority of which

3839
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:47,040
are part of a partnership with

3840
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:48,040
the CMHC and considered

3841
02:14:48,040 --> 02:14:50,040
affordable with a minimum

3842
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:53,040
16-year guarantee. The thousand

3843
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:54,040
square feet of ground floor

3844
02:14:54,040 --> 02:14:56,040
space reserved for the community

3845
02:14:56,040 --> 02:14:59,040
organization with reduced rent

3846
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:01,000
for a 16-year period, 500 square

3847
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:02,000
feet of floor space reserved for

3848
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:05,000
eight rent free food

3849
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:07,000
distribution, -- period of 16

3850
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:09,000
years. The bylaws also adopted

3851
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:10,000
with modifications, as the

3852
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:11,000
preamble has been modified since

3853
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:16,000
the draft was filed in July.

3854
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:21,000
>> For 17.8, do I have a mover?

3855
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:23,000
>> Brent Cowan. First, I'd like

3856
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:26,000
to talk a bit about what is an

3857
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:29,000
interim control bylaw. It is a

3858
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:32,000
temporary measure to allow us to

3859
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:35,000
create a pause so that we can

3860
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:36,000
have enough time to think things

3861
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:40,000
through before we change, make

3862
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:43,000
changes to zoning to stop

3863
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:45,000
development from getting ahead

3864
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:46,000
of what we can think and what we

3865
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:48,000
can plan. It's not designed to

3866
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:52,000
be permanent. We impose the

3867
02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:56,000
development freeze in May of

3868
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,000
2021. It was supposed to have

3869
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:00,060
been -- this whole process was

3870
02:16:00,060 --> 02:16:02,060
supposed to be completed now. So

3871
02:16:02,060 --> 02:16:03,060
the planning program was

3872
02:16:03,060 --> 02:16:05,060
supposed to be done. The zoning

3873
02:16:05,060 --> 02:16:07,060
was supposed to be changed. The

3874
02:16:07,060 --> 02:16:08,060
whole package would've been sent

3875
02:16:08,060 --> 02:16:11,060
up to Montréal for their

3876
02:16:11,060 --> 02:16:12,060
approval. Shortly after we

3877
02:16:12,060 --> 02:16:13,060
passed our interim control

3878
02:16:13,060 --> 02:16:15,060
bylaw, the City of Montréal, or

3879
02:16:15,060 --> 02:16:17,060
the Montréal metropolitan

3880
02:16:17,060 --> 02:16:19,060
community, rather, came up with

3881
02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:22,060
the -- process where they are

3882
02:16:22,060 --> 02:16:23,060
revising the top level plan. The

3883
02:16:23,060 --> 02:16:25,060
top level plan will not be

3884
02:16:25,060 --> 02:16:28,060
completed until June of 2025.

3885
02:16:28,060 --> 02:16:30,060
After that, the agglomeration

3886
02:16:30,060 --> 02:16:32,060
will come up with its plan.

3887
02:16:32,060 --> 02:16:34,060
After that, all of these cities

3888
02:16:34,060 --> 02:16:35,060
are required by law that are

3889
02:16:35,060 --> 02:16:38,060
part of the -- and part of the

3890
02:16:38,060 --> 02:16:39,060
Montréal metropolitan community

3891
02:16:39,060 --> 02:16:40,060
to modify their planning

3892
02:16:40,060 --> 02:16:43,060
programs and zoning to harmonize

3893
02:16:43,060 --> 02:16:46,060
with the Montréal plan. So our

3894
02:16:46,060 --> 02:16:47,060
development freeze that was

3895
02:16:47,060 --> 02:16:49,060
supposed to have been two years,

3896
02:16:49,060 --> 02:16:50,060
if we froze everything, did

3897
02:16:50,060 --> 02:16:52,060
nothing, that would go to five,

3898
02:16:52,060 --> 02:16:54,060
six, maybe even seven years.

3899
02:16:54,060 --> 02:16:55,060
It's not feasible to do nothing

3900
02:16:55,060 --> 02:16:59,060
for seven years. And another

3901
02:16:59,060 --> 02:17:01,020
thing to be considered is what

3902
02:17:01,020 --> 02:17:03,020
is the PMAD, what is the

3903
02:17:03,020 --> 02:17:04,020
objective of the PMAD we are

3904
02:17:04,020 --> 02:17:06,020
gonna have to deal with? The

3905
02:17:06,020 --> 02:17:08,020
objective is to address

3906
02:17:08,020 --> 02:17:09,020
densification on the island of

3907
02:17:09,020 --> 02:17:11,020
Montréal and to address global

3908
02:17:11,020 --> 02:17:14,020
warming issues. Those are the

3909
02:17:14,020 --> 02:17:16,020
two primary motive factors. And

3910
02:17:16,020 --> 02:17:17,020
the way they are going to do it

3911
02:17:17,020 --> 02:17:20,020
is by promoting building

3912
02:17:20,020 --> 02:17:22,020
development in transit oriented

3913
02:17:22,020 --> 02:17:23,020
development around transit

3914
02:17:23,020 --> 02:17:25,020
zones, around the REM station.

3915
02:17:25,020 --> 02:17:27,020
That REM station, this

3916
02:17:27,020 --> 02:17:29,020
particular project is half in

3917
02:17:29,020 --> 02:17:32,020
the REM zone, in the TOD zone,

3918
02:17:32,020 --> 02:17:36,020
and a bit out, but it's close to

3919
02:17:36,020 --> 02:17:39,020
the new REM station. So it is

3920
02:17:39,020 --> 02:17:41,020
inconceivable that Montréal is

3921
02:17:41,020 --> 02:17:43,020
going to approve anything that

3922
02:17:43,020 --> 02:17:45,020
is going to lower the density at

3923
02:17:45,020 --> 02:17:49,020
that site in many years to come.

3924
02:17:49,020 --> 02:17:50,020
And this one, this particular

3925
02:17:50,020 --> 02:17:52,020
project is now balancing the

3926
02:17:52,020 --> 02:17:54,020
issue of affordable housing.

3927
02:17:54,020 --> 02:17:55,020
Yes, it's not going to be cheap,

3928
02:17:55,020 --> 02:17:57,020
but it's gonna be cheaper than

3929
02:17:57,020 --> 02:17:58,020
if we did nothing. So this is

3930
02:17:58,020 --> 02:18:00,080
the instrument, this is the tool

3931
02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:02,080
that that our disposal. The fact

3932
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:04,080
that everybody that -- a lot of

3933
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:06,080
building is going on in

3934
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:09,080
Pointe-Claire over these last

3935
02:18:09,080 --> 02:18:12,080
few years, well, that's because

3936
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:13,080
Pointe-Claire, the core of

3937
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:14,080
Montréal has moved west, and

3938
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:17,080
it's reached us, so after us, it

3939
02:18:17,080 --> 02:18:19,080
will carry on, but it's not

3940
02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:20,080
surprising that the development

3941
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:22,080
is happening here, especially

3942
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:27,080
since we had industrial space

3943
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:31,080
that is converting out

3944
02:18:31,080 --> 02:18:32,080
residential. And it was

3945
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:33,080
converted in 2010, the last time

3946
02:18:33,080 --> 02:18:35,080
that Pointe-Claire was obliged

3947
02:18:35,080 --> 02:18:36,080
to revise its Planning Program

3948
02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:39,080
and all its zoning in order to

3949
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:42,080
harmonize with PMAD one. So the

3950
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:44,080
height restrictions that will

3951
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:47,080
permit 27, 25 storeys at

3952
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:49,080
Fairview were actually

3953
02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:52,080
established in 2009, 2010. So

3954
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:56,080
with all of that said, I am --

3955
02:18:57,080 --> 02:19:00,040
support the motion to remove

3956
02:19:00,040 --> 02:19:02,040
that site from the interim

3957
02:19:02,040 --> 02:19:06,040
control bylaw, -- of this

3958
02:19:06,040 --> 02:19:11,040
agenda. But

3959
02:19:12,040 --> 02:19:14,040
- Pas comme conseiller Cowan,

3960
02:19:14,040 --> 02:19:15,040
monsieur Montpetit, je vais

3961
02:19:15,040 --> 02:19:16,040
répondre en français au début.

3962
02:19:16,040 --> 02:19:18,040
- Ça prendrait pour quelqu'un

3963
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:19,040
pour seconder.

3964
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:20,040
- Un deuxième?

3965
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:21,040
>> Because the, move now we need

3966
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:22,040
a seconder.

3967
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:26,040
>> Do I have a seconder?

3968
02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:27,040
Absolutely, and I have a

3969
02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:31,040
seconder?

3970
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:33,040
>> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen, three.

3971
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:35,040
- Un grand mythe et que le type

3972
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:36,040
de développement préconisée par

3973
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:40,040
le Conseil a été imposé par les

3974
02:19:40,040 --> 02:19:41,040
nouveaux supérieurs du

3975
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:42,040
gouvernement et que nous n'avons

3976
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:46,040
pas d'autre choix que de

3977
02:19:46,040 --> 02:19:47,040
l'accepter. La communauté

3978
02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:50,040
métropolitaine de Montréal, un

3979
02:19:50,040 --> 02:19:52,040
organisme largement contrôlé par

3980
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:55,040
Montréal, fixe les objectifs de

3981
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:57,040
densité de logements dans un

3982
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:59,040
document de planification connu

3983
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:02,000
sous le nom de

3984
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:03,000
(---)

3985
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:04,000
. Ces objectifs n'ont pas le

3986
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:06,000
même poids juridique que les

3987
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:09,000
règlements de zonage et il

3988
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:12,000
arrive souvent que Montréal ne

3989
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:16,000
les réalise pas. Le PMAD en

3990
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:19,000
vigueur depuis 2011 fonctionne

3991
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:22,000
objectif de densité de 60

3992
02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:23,000
logements par hectare pour la

3993
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:25,000
zone située à moins d'1

3994
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:27,000
kilomètre à pied de la future

3995
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:30,000
station vraiment. Pour vous

3996
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:32,000
donner un exemple concret de ce

3997
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:35,000
que cela signifie, un lecteur

3998
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:38,000
correspond à à peu près à la

3999
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:41,000
taille de deux terrains de

4000
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:42,000
football. Des appartements de

4001
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:44,000
trois étages situé juste en face

4002
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:48,000
de l'hôtel de ville sur

4003
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,000
Saint-Jean et

4004
02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:50,000
(---)

4005
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:51,000
comprennent 258 unités sur un

4006
02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:56,000
terrain de 2,3 hectares. Ainsi

4007
02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:58,000
que le nombre d'espaces de

4008
02:20:58,000 --> 02:20:59,000
stationnement et d'espaces

4009
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:02,060
verts. La densité est de 112

4010
02:21:02,060 --> 02:21:06,060
unités par hectare. Soit près du

4011
02:21:06,060 --> 02:21:09,060
double de l'objectif du PMAD. Un

4012
02:21:09,060 --> 02:21:11,060
nouveau projet de PMAD a été

4013
02:21:11,060 --> 02:21:14,060
soumis en consultation et a

4014
02:21:14,060 --> 02:21:17,060
rencontré une forte opposition,

4015
02:21:17,060 --> 02:21:19,060
même au sein des conseils

4016
02:21:19,060 --> 02:21:22,060
d'arrondissements de Montréal.

4017
02:21:22,060 --> 02:21:25,060
Ici, dans l'ouest de l'île, le

4018
02:21:25,060 --> 02:21:27,060
maire de Dollard-des-Ormeaux

4019
02:21:27,060 --> 02:21:30,060
conteste le fait que le nouveau

4020
02:21:30,060 --> 02:21:32,060
PMAD nous demande densifier,

4021
02:21:32,060 --> 02:21:35,060
mais refuse de désigner

4022
02:21:35,060 --> 02:21:36,060
Saint-Jean est source pour des

4023
02:21:36,060 --> 02:21:39,060
investissements supplémentaires

4024
02:21:39,060 --> 02:21:44,060
dans le transport en commun. Je

4025
02:21:44,060 --> 02:21:46,060
pense que le nouveau PMAD sera

4026
02:21:46,060 --> 02:21:51,060
très certainement dilué. Même

4027
02:21:52,060 --> 02:21:54,060
s'il ne l'est pas, il fixe un

4028
02:21:54,060 --> 02:21:57,060
objectif de densité révisé de

4029
02:21:57,060 --> 02:21:58,060
seulement 200 unités par acteurs

4030
02:21:58,060 --> 02:22:02,020
dans la zone autour des futures

4031
02:22:02,020 --> 02:22:03,020
stations du REM. Cette densité

4032
02:22:03,020 --> 02:22:06,020
pourrait être satisfait par des

4033
02:22:06,020 --> 02:22:10,020
développements dessus cet âge.

4034
02:22:10,020 --> 02:22:13,020
De six étages. Il se profile

4035
02:22:13,020 --> 02:22:14,020
sérieusement que Pointe-Claire

4036
02:22:14,020 --> 02:22:15,020
serait pénalisé maintenant pour

4037
02:22:15,020 --> 02:22:19,020
avoir refusé les projets de 13

4038
02:22:19,020 --> 02:22:21,020
et 27 étages comme ceux que le

4039
02:22:21,020 --> 02:22:23,020
conseil veut à faire View et à

4040
02:22:23,020 --> 02:22:27,020
la brosse ce soir. Qui sont de

4041
02:22:27,020 --> 02:22:30,020
deux à quatre fois plus élevé

4042
02:22:30,020 --> 02:22:33,020
que la cible du PMAD qui n'est

4043
02:22:33,020 --> 02:22:38,020
même pas en via. En vigueur. La

4044
02:22:38,020 --> 02:22:39,020
réalité est que c'est le conseil

4045
02:22:39,020 --> 02:22:40,020
de ville et non les autres

4046
02:22:40,020 --> 02:22:42,020
paliers de gouvernement qui a

4047
02:22:42,020 --> 02:22:44,020
choisi de développer

4048
02:22:44,020 --> 02:22:45,020
Pointe-Claire plus que tous nos

4049
02:22:45,020 --> 02:22:48,020
voisins combiner et ce, sans

4050
02:22:48,020 --> 02:22:52,020
plan global. Il n'y aura

4051
02:22:52,020 --> 02:22:55,020
toujours du développement à

4052
02:22:55,020 --> 02:22:57,020
Pointe-Claire, mais après des

4053
02:22:57,020 --> 02:22:59,020
années où nous avons fait plus

4054
02:22:59,020 --> 02:23:02,080
que notre juste part, nous avons

4055
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:04,080
tous les droits de revenir à un

4056
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:06,080
niveau plus responsable,

4057
02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:08,080
conforme à ce que nos voisins

4058
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:12,080
ont fait et à ce que nos

4059
02:23:12,080 --> 02:23:13,080
infrastructures et nos services

4060
02:23:13,080 --> 02:23:18,080
peut supporter. A big myth about

4061
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:21,080
development is the core

4062
02:23:21,080 --> 02:23:22,080
development council is pushing

4063
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:24,080
as all been imposed by higher

4064
02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:26,080
levels of government and that we

4065
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:29,080
have no choice but to accept it.

4066
02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:30,080
The Montréal metropolitan

4067
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:33,080
community, or CMM, a body

4068
02:23:33,080 --> 02:23:34,080
largely controlled by Montréal,

4069
02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:37,080
sets targets for housing density

4070
02:23:37,080 --> 02:23:38,080
in a planning document known as

4071
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:41,080
the PMAD. The targets don't have

4072
02:23:41,080 --> 02:23:44,080
the same legal weight as zoning

4073
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:46,080
bylaws in Montréal itself often

4074
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:49,080
fails to meet them. The PMAD, in

4075
02:23:49,080 --> 02:23:52,080
four since 20, 12 sets a density

4076
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:54,080
target of 60 units per hectare

4077
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:56,080
for the area within one

4078
02:23:56,080 --> 02:23:57,080
kilometre, one Columbus walking

4079
02:23:57,080 --> 02:23:59,080
distance of the future REM

4080
02:23:59,080 --> 02:24:01,040
station. To give you a concrete

4081
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:03,040
example of what that means, a

4082
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:05,040
hectare is about the size of two

4083
02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:08,040
football fields. The three

4084
02:24:08,040 --> 02:24:09,040
storey apartment buildings just

4085
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:11,040
across the street from city hall

4086
02:24:11,040 --> 02:24:14,040
on Saint John and Douglas-Shand

4087
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:17,040
include 258 units on 2.3

4088
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:19,040
hectares of land, along with

4089
02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:21,040
plenty of parking and green

4090
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:23,040
space. They have a density of

4091
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:25,040
112 units per hectare, or nearly

4092
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:28,040
twice the PMAD target. A new

4093
02:24:28,040 --> 02:24:30,040
draft PMAD has been submitted

4094
02:24:30,040 --> 02:24:31,040
for consultation and met with

4095
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:33,040
widespread opposition, even

4096
02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:35,040
within the borough councils of

4097
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:36,040
Montréal. Here in the West

4098
02:24:36,040 --> 02:24:40,040
Island, mayor Alex Bottausci in

4099
02:24:40,040 --> 02:24:41,040
Dollard-des-Ormeaux is

4100
02:24:41,040 --> 02:24:42,040
challenging the fact that the

4101
02:24:42,040 --> 02:24:44,040
new team that is asking us to

4102
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:46,040
densify but refuses to designate

4103
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:48,040
St. John's and sources boulevard

4104
02:24:48,040 --> 02:24:50,040
for additional investments in

4105
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:51,040
public transit. I believe the

4106
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:53,040
new PMAD will almost certainly

4107
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:55,040
be watered down, but even if it

4108
02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:58,040
isn't, it sets a revised density

4109
02:24:58,040 --> 02:25:00,000
target of only 200 units per

4110
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:02,000
hectare in the area around

4111
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:04,000
future REM stations. This could

4112
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:07,000
be satisfied by six storey

4113
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:09,000
developments. Does anyone

4114
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:10,000
seriously believe that

4115
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:12,000
Pointe-Claire would be penalized

4116
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:15,000
now for turning down projects of

4117
02:25:15,000 --> 02:25:18,000
13 and 27 stories, like those

4118
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:19,000
that Council want at Fairview

4119
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:22,000
and Labrosse tonight, which are

4120
02:25:22,000 --> 02:25:25,000
2 to 4 times a PMAD target that

4121
02:25:25,000 --> 02:25:28,000
isn't even in effect. We're kind

4122
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:30,000
of eager, a little too eager, I

4123
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:32,000
think. The reality is is that

4124
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:35,000
City Council and not other level

4125
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:37,000
of governments, the reality is

4126
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:39,000
that it is City Council and not

4127
02:25:39,000 --> 02:25:41,000
other levels of government that

4128
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:43,000
has chosen to develop

4129
02:25:43,000 --> 02:25:44,000
Pointe-Claire more than all of

4130
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:45,000
our neighbours combined and with

4131
02:25:45,000 --> 02:25:48,000
the overall plan. There will

4132
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:49,000
always be development in

4133
02:25:49,000 --> 02:25:50,000
Pointe-Claire, but after years

4134
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:52,000
of doing more than our share, we

4135
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:53,000
have every right to return to a

4136
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:56,000
more responsible level in line

4137
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:57,000
with what our neighbours have

4138
02:25:57,000 --> 02:25:58,000
done and what our infrastructure

4139
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:02,060
and services can bear. Thank you

4140
02:26:02,060 --> 02:26:03,060
for listening. Merci beaucoup.

4141
02:26:03,060 --> 02:26:05,060
Do I have a seconder?

4142
02:26:05,060 --> 02:26:07,060
>> We have another person

4143
02:26:07,060 --> 02:26:08,060
willing to --

4144
02:26:08,060 --> 02:26:09,060
>> So I would like to just

4145
02:26:09,060 --> 02:26:10,060
address the comments you've

4146
02:26:10,060 --> 02:26:12,060
made, Mister Mayor, as well the

4147
02:26:12,060 --> 02:26:14,060
comments made by Brent Cowan, I

4148
02:26:14,060 --> 02:26:15,060
think in my mind the important

4149
02:26:15,060 --> 02:26:18,060
thing to remember is that the

4150
02:26:18,060 --> 02:26:19,060
program that we are looking at

4151
02:26:19,060 --> 02:26:22,060
today based on the bras, on the

4152
02:26:22,060 --> 02:26:25,060
project for the Labrosse, is

4153
02:26:25,060 --> 02:26:28,060
some way restrictive due to the

4154
02:26:28,060 --> 02:26:30,060
conditions a priori. In other

4155
02:26:30,060 --> 02:26:32,060
words, we are dealing with a

4156
02:26:32,060 --> 02:26:33,060
project that had certain

4157
02:26:33,060 --> 02:26:34,060
conditions related to it that

4158
02:26:34,060 --> 02:26:37,060
differ in some ways with the

4159
02:26:37,060 --> 02:26:39,060
tools that are available to us

4160
02:26:39,060 --> 02:26:42,060
in the -- for the other projects

4161
02:26:42,060 --> 02:26:43,060
that are available, that are

4162
02:26:43,060 --> 02:26:46,060
currently in the freeze. So the

4163
02:26:46,060 --> 02:26:49,060
former, the one tonight, is in

4164
02:26:49,060 --> 02:26:50,060
my view a little more

4165
02:26:50,060 --> 02:26:51,060
restrictive, the second is a

4166
02:26:51,060 --> 02:26:53,060
little more permissive, and

4167
02:26:53,060 --> 02:26:56,060
therefore open to a little more

4168
02:26:56,060 --> 02:26:58,060
crafting, I think. Of equal

4169
02:26:58,060 --> 02:27:02,020
importance I think here is what

4170
02:27:02,020 --> 02:27:03,020
Brent Cowan was alluding to

4171
02:27:03,020 --> 02:27:06,020
earlier, Councillor Cowan in the

4172
02:27:06,020 --> 02:27:08,020
PMAD is the emphasis on your

4173
02:27:08,020 --> 02:27:11,020
comments was specifically to do

4174
02:27:11,020 --> 02:27:13,020
with development densification

4175
02:27:13,020 --> 02:27:15,020
et cetera, the notion of

4176
02:27:15,020 --> 02:27:17,020
building, adding new homes, et

4177
02:27:17,020 --> 02:27:19,020
cetera. As important as that

4178
02:27:19,020 --> 02:27:20,020
might be in the long term, but

4179
02:27:20,020 --> 02:27:23,020
the two other he considerations

4180
02:27:23,020 --> 02:27:24,020
to give with regards to that

4181
02:27:24,020 --> 02:27:26,020
that the peanut speaks to quite

4182
02:27:26,020 --> 02:27:28,020
loudly our natural spaces, green

4183
02:27:28,020 --> 02:27:30,020
areas, the ability to have

4184
02:27:30,020 --> 02:27:32,020
nature surrounding us and our

4185
02:27:32,020 --> 02:27:35,020
communities. The City of

4186
02:27:35,020 --> 02:27:38,020
Pointe-Claire is in extreme

4187
02:27:38,020 --> 02:27:40,020
deficit on -- I think we have

4188
02:27:40,020 --> 02:27:41,020
about 9% of our areas covering

4189
02:27:41,020 --> 02:27:44,020
that green spaces. Also, the

4190
02:27:44,020 --> 02:27:45,020
notion of public transport,

4191
02:27:45,020 --> 02:27:48,020
which is extremely important.

4192
02:27:48,020 --> 02:27:49,020
None of these densification

4193
02:27:49,020 --> 02:27:52,020
programs or projects that are

4194
02:27:52,020 --> 02:27:54,020
afoot today can survive properly

4195
02:27:54,020 --> 02:27:56,020
going forward in an era of

4196
02:27:56,020 --> 02:27:58,020
climate change without proper

4197
02:27:58,020 --> 02:28:01,080
collective transportation. And I

4198
02:28:01,080 --> 02:28:03,080
think that has equal waiting in

4199
02:28:03,080 --> 02:28:05,080
any comment you are going to

4200
02:28:05,080 --> 02:28:06,080
make about the PMAD going

4201
02:28:06,080 --> 02:28:09,080
forward. Added to that may also

4202
02:28:09,080 --> 02:28:10,080
be for the additions that PMAD

4203
02:28:10,080 --> 02:28:12,080
two might bring to the table,

4204
02:28:12,080 --> 02:28:13,080
which include things like

4205
02:28:13,080 --> 02:28:15,080
infrastructure based on the

4206
02:28:15,080 --> 02:28:17,080
expenses we've learned today. So

4207
02:28:17,080 --> 02:28:19,080
I think it's worth highlighting

4208
02:28:19,080 --> 02:28:21,080
some of those elements and

4209
02:28:21,080 --> 02:28:24,080
really, as I did initially,

4210
02:28:24,080 --> 02:28:25,080
contrasting the projects that we

4211
02:28:25,080 --> 02:28:27,080
are talking about today and the

4212
02:28:27,080 --> 02:28:28,080
projects that are potentially to

4213
02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:31,080
come and are located in the --

4214
02:28:31,080 --> 02:28:32,080
tonight. Difficult for most

4215
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:33,080
people listening today, because

4216
02:28:33,080 --> 02:28:35,080
we are caught up on all these

4217
02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:37,080
technical things on a regular

4218
02:28:37,080 --> 02:28:39,080
basis, but I just wanted to make

4219
02:28:39,080 --> 02:28:40,080
sure that those points that I

4220
02:28:40,080 --> 02:28:45,080
have minor recorded. Thank you.

4221
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:52,080
>> No, I'd like to speak. First

4222
02:28:52,080 --> 02:28:54,080
of all, I just want to reassure

4223
02:28:54,080 --> 02:28:55,080
everyone in this room and those

4224
02:28:55,080 --> 02:28:58,080
watching online that I will

4225
02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:00,040
certainly not weaponize

4226
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:01,040
misinformation to create fear

4227
02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:02,040
and confusion for the citizens

4228
02:29:02,040 --> 02:29:04,040
of Pointe-Claire. You can fact

4229
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:05,040
check what I say this evening

4230
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:07,040
and ask me for the references

4231
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:11,040
after the meeting. I have them.

4232
02:29:12,040 --> 02:29:14,040
Je vais commencer en français,

4233
02:29:14,040 --> 02:29:15,040
je m'excuse

4234
02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:16,040
(---)

4235
02:29:16,040 --> 02:29:17,040
pour avant et aussi, je vais

4236
02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:20,040
finir en anglais. Le Canada est

4237
02:29:20,040 --> 02:29:21,040
en train de Christ les

4238
02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:24,040
logements, les investissements

4239
02:29:24,040 --> 02:29:26,040
dans le logement est dans

4240
02:29:26,040 --> 02:29:27,040
l'infrastructure doivent faire

4241
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:29,040
partie d'un plan de croissance.

4242
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:31,040
Pour construire les 5,8 millions

4243
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:34,040
de logements dont nous avons

4244
02:29:34,040 --> 02:29:38,040
besoin d'ici 2030, selon le

4245
02:29:38,040 --> 02:29:39,040
(---)

4246
02:29:39,040 --> 02:29:41,040
, il faut renouveler les

4247
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:43,040
infrastructures existantes et en

4248
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:46,040
construire de nouvelles. Le

4249
02:29:46,040 --> 02:29:47,040
gouvernement du Québec a mandaté

4250
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:52,040
toutes les municipalités par

4251
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:56,040
l'orientation gouvernementale

4252
02:29:56,040 --> 02:29:58,040
aux maladies même du territoire

4253
02:29:58,040 --> 02:30:00,000
pour réviser leurs

4254
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:01,000
(---)

4255
02:30:01,000 --> 02:30:02,000
afin de contribuer à la

4256
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:03,000
(---)

4257
02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:04,000
des objectifs actuels de

4258
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:05,000
logement et de développement

4259
02:30:05,000 --> 02:30:06,000
(---)

4260
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,000
. À l'image de la population de

4261
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:10,000
l'ensemble du Canada, Québec

4262
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:12,000
devait connaître un

4263
02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:13,000
vieillissement important de sa

4264
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:14,000
population au cours des

4265
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:18,000
prochaines années. D'ici 20 30,

4266
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:21,000
la proportion relative de la

4267
02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:24,000
population âgés de plus de 65

4268
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:29,000
ans sera de 27%. Contre 6% en

4269
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:33,000
2010. En vieillissant, nos

4270
02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:36,000
citoyens ont besoin de lieux

4271
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:38,000
accessibles pour déménager s'ils

4272
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:42,000
ne sont pas en mesure de rester

4273
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:46,000
chez eux. La communauté

4274
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:48,000
métropolitaine de Montréal est

4275
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:49,000
une autorité compétente en

4276
02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:51,000
matière d'aménagement du

4277
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:53,000
territoire. You've heard a lot

4278
02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:58,000
of discussion about the PMAD.

4279
02:30:58,000 --> 02:30:59,000
(---)

4280
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:00,060
Et pour exercer cette

4281
02:31:00,060 --> 02:31:01,060
compétence, elle doit adapter

4282
02:31:01,060 --> 02:31:03,060
maintenir en vigueur un plan

4283
02:31:03,060 --> 02:31:04,060
métropolitain d'aménagement et

4284
02:31:04,060 --> 02:31:06,060
de développement pour l'ensemble

4285
02:31:06,060 --> 02:31:11,060
de son territoire. These minimum

4286
02:31:12,060 --> 02:31:14,060
density threshold, accord to the

4287
02:31:14,060 --> 02:31:15,060
characteristics of our locality,

4288
02:31:15,060 --> 02:31:16,060
seem to be what's most of

4289
02:31:16,060 --> 02:31:17,060
concern to Pointe-Claire

4290
02:31:17,060 --> 02:31:18,060
citizens. Absolutely, it is, but

4291
02:31:18,060 --> 02:31:19,060
we have been on top of this and

4292
02:31:19,060 --> 02:31:22,060
what the PMAD Shenzhen since my

4293
02:31:22,060 --> 02:31:24,060
first term under Mayor Trudeau.

4294
02:31:24,060 --> 02:31:26,060
At that time, the PM at changes

4295
02:31:26,060 --> 02:31:28,060
went from what I referred to as

4296
02:31:28,060 --> 02:31:30,060
12 little pieces to 60. We now

4297
02:31:30,060 --> 02:31:32,060
are about to go from 62

4298
02:31:32,060 --> 02:31:34,060
hopefully only 200, but as it is

4299
02:31:34,060 --> 02:31:38,060
on paper, it's over 300. We need

4300
02:31:38,060 --> 02:31:39,060
to look at different projects.

4301
02:31:39,060 --> 02:31:40,060
We need to see what we can do.

4302
02:31:40,060 --> 02:31:44,060
We need to choose a project as

4303
02:31:44,060 --> 02:31:46,060
we are voting on tonight that

4304
02:31:46,060 --> 02:31:49,060
will ensure that people can rent

4305
02:31:49,060 --> 02:31:51,060
housing for less than the market

4306
02:31:51,060 --> 02:31:53,060
value, and I am making this

4307
02:31:53,060 --> 02:31:55,060
decision based on the

4308
02:31:55,060 --> 02:31:57,060
unexpectedly new divorcée that

4309
02:31:57,060 --> 02:31:59,060
needs to move out and find a new

4310
02:31:59,060 --> 02:32:01,020
place to live on their own, a

4311
02:32:01,020 --> 02:32:03,020
couple who decided to move into

4312
02:32:03,020 --> 02:32:05,020
a conduct to allow their child

4313
02:32:05,020 --> 02:32:06,020
to move into their single

4314
02:32:06,020 --> 02:32:08,020
finally dwelling, seniors who

4315
02:32:08,020 --> 02:32:10,020
are looking to downsize, which

4316
02:32:10,020 --> 02:32:12,020
in turn allows maybe a young

4317
02:32:12,020 --> 02:32:14,020
family to move into their home.

4318
02:32:14,020 --> 02:32:15,020
These are real situations and

4319
02:32:15,020 --> 02:32:17,020
real people that I know of in

4320
02:32:17,020 --> 02:32:19,020
Pointe-Claire. They are not evil

4321
02:32:19,020 --> 02:32:20,020
people, they are friends,

4322
02:32:20,020 --> 02:32:22,020
family, and Pointe-Claire

4323
02:32:22,020 --> 02:32:23,020
residents who need a home, and

4324
02:32:23,020 --> 02:32:25,020
in this case, will benefit from

4325
02:32:25,020 --> 02:32:28,020
rent a 10% below the market

4326
02:32:28,020 --> 02:32:30,020
value. It may not be perfect for

4327
02:32:30,020 --> 02:32:31,020
everyone. It may be scary that

4328
02:32:31,020 --> 02:32:33,020
we have changed, but we must

4329
02:32:33,020 --> 02:32:34,020
move forward because it's much

4330
02:32:34,020 --> 02:32:36,020
better to move forward and then

4331
02:32:36,020 --> 02:32:37,020
to sit and do nothing because it

4332
02:32:37,020 --> 02:32:39,020
may not be perfect.

4333
02:32:39,020 --> 02:32:43,020
>> Councillor Stork?

4334
02:32:43,020 --> 02:32:45,020
- Premièrement, j'aimerais

4335
02:32:45,020 --> 02:32:47,020
m'excuser pour tantôt, mais

4336
02:32:47,020 --> 02:32:48,020
quand j'entends les affaires que

4337
02:32:48,020 --> 02:32:51,020
j'ai entendu, ça me faire piquer

4338
02:32:51,020 --> 02:32:54,020
du nez un petit peu. I don't

4339
02:32:54,020 --> 02:32:55,020
want to say, but what Councillor

4340
02:32:55,020 --> 02:32:57,020
Cowan said, Councillor Tremblay,

4341
02:32:57,020 --> 02:32:59,020
and Councillor Thorstad-Cullen

4342
02:32:59,020 --> 02:33:01,080
basically for different reasons.

4343
02:33:01,080 --> 02:33:04,080
So what I will be doing is using

4344
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:06,080
my full 15 minutes and

4345
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:08,080
councillors comments at the next

4346
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:10,080
public meeting to disseminate

4347
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:14,080
and prove to you factually the

4348
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:15,080
misinformation that was

4349
02:33:15,080 --> 02:33:18,080
currently being spread from 60

4350
02:33:18,080 --> 02:33:19,080
dwellings per hectare, that was

4351
02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:21,080
the minimum. Oh, I want -- you

4352
02:33:21,080 --> 02:33:22,080
know, the height, you cannot

4353
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:23,080
have it all. You want six

4354
02:33:23,080 --> 02:33:25,080
storeys? Do you want 5000 dollar

4355
02:33:25,080 --> 02:33:28,080
requirements? Financial reality,

4356
02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:29,080
it was a 12 million dollar piece

4357
02:33:29,080 --> 02:33:31,080
of land. You cannot build single

4358
02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:33,080
family homes or duplexes or

4359
02:33:33,080 --> 02:33:35,080
triplexes there. It is not

4360
02:33:35,080 --> 02:33:38,080
feasible. So to pick and choose

4361
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:40,080
information, as convenient as it

4362
02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:41,080
might be, but I'm glad it -- I'm

4363
02:33:41,080 --> 02:33:43,080
not gonna be critical. But I

4364
02:33:43,080 --> 02:33:44,080
will be at the next Public

4365
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:46,080
council meeting explaining in

4366
02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:48,080
detail a document, it will be on

4367
02:33:48,080 --> 02:33:50,080
my Facebook page as well, to

4368
02:33:50,080 --> 02:33:52,080
clearly give light of the

4369
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:54,080
information I challenge anybody

4370
02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:55,080
in this room, anybody in

4371
02:33:55,080 --> 02:33:56,080
Council, especially the mayor,

4372
02:33:56,080 --> 02:33:59,080
on this issue. In that case, one

4373
02:33:59,080 --> 02:34:02,040
last thing, it's not perfect,

4374
02:34:02,040 --> 02:34:04,040
but there's three types of

4375
02:34:04,040 --> 02:34:06,040
affordable housing. You have

4376
02:34:06,040 --> 02:34:07,040
private. This one is the best

4377
02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:09,040
deal, I think the only deal, as

4378
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:10,040
Councillor Cowan mentioned,

4379
02:34:10,040 --> 02:34:12,040
where we have a side agreement

4380
02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:15,040
to make sure what they're

4381
02:34:15,040 --> 02:34:19,040
required to do in terms of

4382
02:34:20,040 --> 02:34:21,040
Logements par pourcentage, avec

4383
02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:22,040
le financement qu'ils reçoivent

4384
02:34:22,040 --> 02:34:24,040
du gouvernement It's about 20 to

4385
02:34:24,040 --> 02:34:26,040
30%. On est rendu à 100% de

4386
02:34:26,040 --> 02:34:28,040
logements! Another small mistake

4387
02:34:28,040 --> 02:34:31,040
I made. Madam Conway mentioned

4388
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:35,040
50%, last council meeting. En

4389
02:34:35,040 --> 02:34:37,040
réalité, la moyenne c'est 10%,

4390
02:34:37,040 --> 02:34:38,040
mais il y a certains logements

4391
02:34:38,040 --> 02:34:39,040
qui vont être environ 7% et

4392
02:34:39,040 --> 02:34:40,040
certains logements qui vont être

4393
02:34:40,040 --> 02:34:42,040
jusqu'à 17% concernant la

4394
02:34:42,040 --> 02:34:44,040
grosseur du logement. Les cinq

4395
02:34:44,040 --> 02:34:45,040
ennemis ne vont plus diminuer.

4396
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:47,040
It's going to say four to $500 a

4397
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:50,040
month for a 5.5. We demanded 5.5

4398
02:34:50,040 --> 02:34:52,040
for families. We look through

4399
02:34:52,040 --> 02:34:53,040
this. We went through this.

4400
02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:56,040
Wheat fine tooth comb this. In

4401
02:34:56,040 --> 02:34:57,040
reference to the RCI, is taken

4402
02:34:57,040 --> 02:34:59,040
too long. What a project of this

4403
02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:02,000
nature presents itself after the

4404
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:04,000
time we spent -- I will even get

4405
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:06,000
into that, not getting through

4406
02:35:06,000 --> 02:35:09,000
this RCI, when the project, the

4407
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:10,000
opportunity is, there you do

4408
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:11,000
what is right for the citizens

4409
02:35:11,000 --> 02:35:14,000
of Pointe-Claire, you do what is

4410
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:15,000
right. And I will leave it at

4411
02:35:15,000 --> 02:35:17,000
that, so in that respect, I

4412
02:35:17,000 --> 02:35:19,000
think this is a moment in

4413
02:35:19,000 --> 02:35:21,000
Pointe-Claire's history where I

4414
02:35:21,000 --> 02:35:22,000
have never had enough for --

4415
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:24,000
private equity affordable

4416
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:26,000
housing agreement with a private

4417
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:29,000
developer. Yes, you have 33, 35,

4418
02:35:29,000 --> 02:35:30,000
which was social housing. Yes --

4419
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:33,000
we don't have co-op, you have

4420
02:35:33,000 --> 02:35:35,000
private, which is this deal, you

4421
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:37,000
have non market, which is like

4422
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:39,000
co-ops, and you have affordable,

4423
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:41,000
which is completely government

4424
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:43,000
run. So from a private equity

4425
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:44,000
position in a personal agreement

4426
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:47,000
with a developer, this deal is

4427
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:49,000
the best we are going to get.

4428
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:50,000
That being said, I proudly

4429
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:52,000
support this project and will

4430
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:56,000
vote in favour.

4431
02:36:02,060 --> 02:36:05,060
Ce n'est pas permis, non. >>

4432
02:36:05,060 --> 02:36:10,060
Where the vote for 17.8.

4433
02:36:15,060 --> 02:36:17,060
- Non, non, monsieur Montpetit.

4434
02:36:17,060 --> 02:36:20,060
His name is referred to --

4435
02:36:20,060 --> 02:36:22,060
Non, non, il faut prendre, si tu

4436
02:36:22,060 --> 02:36:23,060
peux parler, il faut prendre le

4437
02:36:23,060 --> 02:36:24,060
micro. Monsieur Montpetit, ce

4438
02:36:24,060 --> 02:36:29,060
n'est pas permis. L'audience,

4439
02:36:30,060 --> 02:36:31,060
seulement parce que votre nom a

4440
02:36:31,060 --> 02:36:32,060
été mentionné, vous avez raison

4441
02:36:32,060 --> 02:36:34,060
à cause de ça, mais il faut

4442
02:36:34,060 --> 02:36:36,060
parler au micro pour...

4443
02:36:36,060 --> 02:36:38,060
- Moi, ce que je ne comprends

4444
02:36:38,060 --> 02:36:40,060
pas, vous parlez des maisons, de

4445
02:36:40,060 --> 02:36:42,060
ci, de ça, on va en faire. Je

4446
02:36:42,060 --> 02:36:46,060
n'ai pas besoin de ça. Mais vous

4447
02:36:46,060 --> 02:36:48,060
parlez des maisons et tout ça,

4448
02:36:48,060 --> 02:36:50,060
moi je suis un vieux, j'ai 66

4449
02:36:50,060 --> 02:36:52,060
ans. Bientôt, je vais pouvoir

4450
02:36:52,060 --> 02:36:53,060
déménager. Mais quand je vais

4451
02:36:53,060 --> 02:36:54,060
vendre ma maison, il n'y a pas

4452
02:36:54,060 --> 02:36:56,060
un jeune dans Pointe-Claire, des

4453
02:36:56,060 --> 02:36:57,060
jeunes familles, qui vont être

4454
02:36:57,060 --> 02:36:58,060
capables d'acheter notre

4455
02:36:58,060 --> 02:37:01,020
propriété. Parce qu'on développe

4456
02:37:01,020 --> 02:37:03,020
assez que tout le monde. Ils

4457
02:37:03,020 --> 02:37:04,020
démolissent le vieux taco à côté

4458
02:37:04,020 --> 02:37:05,020
de chez nous qui était pas pire,

4459
02:37:05,020 --> 02:37:08,020
ils mettent Maisonneuve. Les

4460
02:37:08,020 --> 02:37:09,020
maisons, tout le monde dans le

4461
02:37:09,020 --> 02:37:10,020
quartier, c'est vrai, mais qui

4462
02:37:10,020 --> 02:37:11,020
est-ce qui va être capable

4463
02:37:11,020 --> 02:37:12,020
d'acheter ces maisons-là quand

4464
02:37:12,020 --> 02:37:14,020
nous on va être prêt à vendre?

4465
02:37:14,020 --> 02:37:16,020
C'est ça le problème. On en

4466
02:37:16,020 --> 02:37:17,020
développe des maisons, faisant

4467
02:37:17,020 --> 02:37:19,020
des blocs appartements, 25,

4468
02:37:19,020 --> 02:37:22,020
étage 12 étages. On va aller ou

4469
02:37:22,020 --> 02:37:24,020
pareil? On va aller là-dedans à

4470
02:37:24,020 --> 02:37:26,020
2000, 3000 piastres de loyer.

4471
02:37:26,020 --> 02:37:27,020
MacInnis qui va acheter nos

4472
02:37:27,020 --> 02:37:30,020
maisons? C'est là le problème,

4473
02:37:30,020 --> 02:37:32,020
on développe, mais nos maisons

4474
02:37:32,020 --> 02:37:37,020
montent.

4475
02:37:40,020 --> 02:37:42,020
>> Go back to 17 point, he was

4476
02:37:42,020 --> 02:37:43,020
moved and seconded, we'll need a

4477
02:37:43,020 --> 02:37:44,020
vote.

4478
02:37:44,020 --> 02:37:46,020
>> All those in favour, 17.8?

4479
02:37:46,020 --> 02:37:49,020
All against?.

4480
02:37:49,020 --> 02:37:53,020
>> Thank you.

4481
02:37:55,020 --> 02:37:56,020
- 18.1 Approuver une convention

4482
02:37:56,020 --> 02:37:57,020
d'aide financière avec le

4483
02:37:57,020 --> 02:37:58,020
Service national des sauveteurs

4484
02:37:58,020 --> 02:37:59,020
inc. Dans le cadre du programme

4485
02:37:59,020 --> 02:38:00,080
pour la gratuité de la formation

4486
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:01,080
des surveillants-sauveteurs et

4487
02:38:01,080 --> 02:38:02,080
des moniteurs aquatiques du

4488
02:38:02,080 --> 02:38:05,080
ministère de l'Éducation. Au

4489
02:38:05,080 --> 02:38:07,080
début mai 2023, le gouvernement

4490
02:38:07,080 --> 02:38:08,080
provincial a annoncé que le

4491
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:09,080
programme de subventions pour

4492
02:38:09,080 --> 02:38:10,080
les cours de sauvetage serait

4493
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:12,080
prolongée jusqu'en 2026. Le

4494
02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:13,080
programme vise à offrir la

4495
02:38:13,080 --> 02:38:14,080
gratuité des coûts menant aux

4496
02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:15,080
brevets de moniteurs et

4497
02:38:15,080 --> 02:38:17,080
sauveteurs aquatiques.

4498
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:18,080
L'attribution de cette

4499
02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:19,080
subvention inconditionnelle

4500
02:38:19,080 --> 02:38:20,080
renouvellement annuel du

4501
02:38:20,080 --> 02:38:21,080
programme de subventions par la

4502
02:38:21,080 --> 02:38:22,080
signature de la convention

4503
02:38:22,080 --> 02:38:26,080
d'aide financière. >> 18.2, two

4504
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:27,080
Resiliate a lease entered into

4505
02:38:27,080 --> 02:38:29,080
between the City of

4506
02:38:29,080 --> 02:38:30,080
Pointe-Claire and Angelos

4507
02:38:30,080 --> 02:38:31,080
Kyvetos

4508
02:38:31,080 --> 02:38:32,080
(Casse-croûte Angelos)

4509
02:38:32,080 --> 02:38:33,080
. The tenant notified the city

4510
02:38:33,080 --> 02:38:34,080
that he no longer wishes to

4511
02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:36,080
operate his business on the

4512
02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:37,080
leases premises, and therefore

4513
02:38:37,080 --> 02:38:41,080
wanted to terminate the lease.

4514
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:46,080
- Pour 18.1 à 18.2. Do I have a

4515
02:38:46,080 --> 02:38:47,080
mover?

4516
02:38:47,080 --> 02:38:49,080
>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

4517
02:38:49,080 --> 02:38:53,080
>> And seconder?

4518
02:38:54,080 --> 02:38:55,080
>> Eric Stork, district seven.

4519
02:38:55,080 --> 02:38:58,080
>> All in favour?

4520
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:00,040
>> Closure.

4521
02:39:00,040 --> 02:39:01,040
>> Foreclosure, do I have a

4522
02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:05,040
mover?

4523
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:07,040
>> And seconder?

4524
02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:08,040
>> Cynthia Homan, district five.

4525
02:39:08,040 --> 02:39:10,040
>> And on a final note, I would

4526
02:39:10,040 --> 02:39:12,040
just like to mention

4527
02:39:12,040 --> 02:39:14,040
Pointe-Claire has not done

4528
02:39:14,040 --> 02:39:16,040
nothing, Pointe-Claire has done

4529
02:39:16,040 --> 02:39:19,040
more than its share. It has done

4530
02:39:19,040 --> 02:39:22,040
four times everyone, the same as

4531
02:39:22,040 --> 02:39:24,040
the entire West Island put

4532
02:39:24,040 --> 02:39:26,040
together. Why, if we've done all

4533
02:39:26,040 --> 02:39:28,040
that, more than everyone else,

4534
02:39:28,040 --> 02:39:29,040
did we have --

4535
02:39:29,040 --> 02:39:32,040
>> It's over.

4536
02:39:32,040 --> 02:39:33,040
>> It's over, closure.

4537
02:39:33,040 --> 02:39:34,040
>> Single highest rate increase

4538
02:39:34,040 --> 02:39:36,040
in the country? Why if we --

4539
02:39:36,040 --> 02:39:37,040
>> I can speak whenever I want,

4540
02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:39,040
sir, I am the chair, I am the --

4541
02:39:39,040 --> 02:39:41,040
we haven't voted on closure, and

4542
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:44,040
I am the chair, and I can speak

4543
02:39:44,040 --> 02:39:46,040
whenever I want, despite

4544
02:39:46,040 --> 02:39:47,040
everything we've done, we've

4545
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:48,040
built more than everyone else in

4546
02:39:48,040 --> 02:39:51,040
the West Island, we still had

4547
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:53,040
the single highest rent increase

4548
02:39:53,040 --> 02:39:57,040
in the country. Supply does not

4549
02:39:57,040 --> 02:39:59,040
influence price. We have seen

4550
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:01,000
that, and this is the mid. We do

4551
02:40:01,000 --> 02:40:03,000
not have to build this city at

4552
02:40:03,000 --> 02:40:04,000
the rate we are building the

4553
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:06,000
city. Thank you very much.

4554
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:07,000
>> Would you please vote --

4555
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:08,000
>> Enclosure, all those in

4556
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:09,000
favour?

4557
02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:10,000
>> Mr. Cousineau, can you just

4558
02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:13,000
get back to your place, please?

4559
02:40:13,000 --> 02:40:14,000
We need to vote.

4560
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:15,000
>> We have a closed, we have to

4561
02:40:15,000 --> 02:40:18,000
vote. We didn't vote closure. I

4562
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:22,000
am right. I did this on purpose.

4563
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:26,000
Okay, excuse me, all -- all

4564
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:31,000
those in favour of closure? I am

4565
02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:34,000
in favour of closure,

4566
02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:37,000
absolutely. Merci beaucoup tout

4567
02:40:37,000 --> 02:40:39,000
le monde.