[0:14] Cancer. Nothing to say. Cancer. Cousine Cousineau.
>> All the citizens almost at
[0:24] the close call me being here, but you made
it back here. >> Fake fire alarm in my house.
[0:33] Just before the meeting. But it's okay, but
I do it off. >> There's nothing. Thank you.
[0:38] >> Ok. >> I have nothing. Thank you. >> All
good.
[0:44] >> Thanks you are thirsty calling. >> For next
week So next week on
[0:50] Thursday in the evening and the famous Valois
far so please don't hesitate to come out and
[0:56] everyone it's at five o'clock of course in
the park and it's always cheer to be a great
[1:03] evening with family and friends. Thank you.
>> Counter strike. Just too
[1:09] quick little things to work. Continues on winthrop.
I know it's been a long process that
[1:13] shifted again, but they're doing reconstruction
the sidewalk that they're down by the way,
because
[1:19] obviously that had to be done outside of that
the concerns at northview park and referencing
[1:25] to the path being reconstructing constructed
with the construction with the trucks and
[1:29] everything else the city is big and they're
going to do the best. They can for the security
[1:35] of the children and going to northview. That's
about it. Thank you! Ok, Mesdames et
[1:40] messieurs, Bonsoir. Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen,
Bienvenue à la séance du conseil du mois
[1:44] de juillet. Welcome to the Council Meeting.
J'espère que vous avez profité des festivités
[1:50] de la Fête nationale du Québec et de la Fête
du Canada. Ce sont des moments formidables
à passer
[1:57] en famille et entre amis. Malgré la vague
de chaleur de 24 juin et la météo pluvieuse
du premier
[2:05] juillet. De nombreuses familles ainsi qu'un
grand nombre grand nombre de citoyennes et
citoyens
[2:11] étaient présents pour profiter des festivités.
Ce fut un plaisir de partager ces deux
[2:18] journées avec vous. I hope you had a chance
to enjoy quebec national holidays and the Canada
[2:23] day celebration to wonderful opportunity to
spend time with family and friends. Despite
the
[2:28] heatwave on June twenty for and the rainy weather
on July first many family and a great number
[2:34] of residence were out enjoying the festivities.
It was a pleasure to share those two days
[2:39] with you. Samedi dernier, la ville et la famille
Mcmurtrie ont tenu un événement privé pour
[2:47] célébrer la vie de l'ancienne meilleure Mcmurtrie.
Ce fut l'occasion d'officialiser
[2:54] l'annonce du nouveau nom du quai au parc Edgewater.
Il portera désormais le nom de quai William
[3:02] Bill Mcmurtrie. Avant d'officialiser le nom
d'un lieu public, la Commission de la
[3:10] toponymie du Québec respecte un délai d'un
an après le décès d'une personne pour commémorer
[3:16] sa contribution à la communauté dont la ville
procédera à l'inauguration officielle du
[3:23] Quai au printemps 2026, lors d'un événement
public Last Saturday the City and the
[3:30] mcmurtrie family held a private event to celebrate
the life of former maire William Bill
[3:36] Mcmurtrie. It was also the occasion to formally
announce the renaming of the pirate
[3:40] edgewater Park, which will not be known as
Pierre William Bill Mcmurtrie as the Commission
de
[3:48] toponymie du Québec which require a when you're
waiting period following a person
[3:52] passing before a public space can be officially
renamed the city will hold the public
[3:57] inauguration of the year and the spring of
twenty twenty six. C'est avec tristesse que
nous
[4:04] avons appris le décès de deux anciens employés
de la ville, madame Micheline Nantel et
[4:10] madame Madeleine Lionnet. Madame Nantel travaillait
au service des finances depuis 2009 et
[4:18] madame Lionet a également occupé un poste
aux finances de 1991 à 2004. Nous les remercions
pour
[4:27] leurs années de service à la ville de Pointe-Claire.
Tous nos souhaits de condoléances à leurs
[4:32] familles et leurs et leurs proches. It is with
sadness that we share the news of the passing
[4:38] of two former city employee. Mrs. Micheline
Nantel and Miss Madeleine Lionnet, Miss Nantel
[4:44] Worked in the Finances Department since two
thousand and nine and Miss Lyanna also
[4:49] held a position in the Finances department
from one to two thousand for we thank them
for
[4:56] their years of dedicated service to the City
of Pointe-Claire. WE extended our deepest condolences
[5:00] to their family and loved ones. En plus de
la fête du Canada, le premier juillet est
synonyme de
[5:08] déménagement pour plusieurs personnes. Si
vous venez déménager, un nouveau guide
[5:14] d'accueil est maintenant disponible à Pointe-Claire.
Si vous avez de nouveaux voisins,
[5:20] pensez à le leur faire savoir. Les nouvelles
résidentes et nouveaux résidents sont invités
[5:26] à venir récupérer le guide des nouveaux
résidents au Comptoir multiservice de l'Hôtel
de
[5:32] Ville. In addition to Canada, the age of life
first is also known as moving day for many
if
[5:38] you've recently moved to Pointe-Claire and
new welcome guide is now available to you
[5:42] and if you have neighbours we invite you to
let them know about it new residence my pick
[5:47] up their new residence guide at the multiservices
counter at the City Hall. A l'occasion des
[5:55] élections municipales prévues le 2 novembre,
le Service des archives de la Ville propose
aux
[6:00] citoyennes et citoyens une exposition historique
sur la démocratie et l'évolution du
[6:06] processus électoral. Toutes et tous sont invités
à visiter dès maintenant l'exposition Archives
[6:14] et Démocratie dans le hall de l'Hôtel de
Ville. L'exposition réalisée par le Service
des
[6:21] affaires juridiques et du greffe sera accessible
au public jusqu'au jour du vote. Une
[6:28] anticipation of the upcoming municipal Election
on November second and the City Archives
[6:32] Department is presenting a special exhibition
highlighting the history of democracy and how
[6:36] the electoral process has evolved over the
years. WE invite all residences to visit
[6:43] the archives and democracy exhibition now and
display in the City hall lobby organized by
[6:48] the legal offers and City clerck office it
will be open to the public Untel Election day.
[6:54] Plusieurs projets et chantiers sont en cours
pour entretenir et embellir les espaces publics,
[7:02] les infrastructures et le territoire de Pointe-Claire.
Nous rappelons à toutes et tous
[7:08] d'être plus vigilant et de ralentir à proximité
des chantiers ainsi que des
[7:15] travailleuses et travailleurs. Assurons nous
de poser les gestes pour permettre aux
[7:20] équipes de la ville de travailler en toute
sécurité. Projects in construction sights
[7:26] are currently underway to maintain and enhance
Pointe-Claire Public space
[7:30] infrastructure and overall environment and
everyone to stay alertes and slow down their
[7:36] construction zones and work cruises. Let's
all do our parts to ensure our city teams can
[7:40] work safely. Comme toujours, les activités
et événements offerts par la ville sont nombreux
pour
[7:49] la saison estivale. Pour découvrir l'ensemble
des ateliers, cours et événements,
[7:56] rendez vous dans la section Calendrier des
événements et activités de notre site web.
Ce
[8:02] nouvel outil vous permet d'ajouter les événements
à votre calendrier personnel afin de ne
[8:09] rien manquer. Hasard? The city is offering
a wide variety of activities in events. This
[8:16] summer to discover everything available from
workshops to class and events visit the
[8:21] calender of events and activities on our website.
This new tool that you had events
[8:26] directly to your personal calender so you won't
miss a thing.
[8:31] >> WE Alors 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre du jour
de Shaun of the Agenda.
[8:40] >> How do I have a mother? >> Thorsten Klein,
District trois.
[8:50] >> Three point one of the regular meeting of
June third twenty twenty five.
[8:54] >> For three point 1.3 point un. Do I have
a mother. >> District, three.
[9:02] >> And secondary. >> District to. >> Okay.
Période de question.
[9:10] L'inscription pour poser une question vous
a été proposée à votre arrivée. Si vous
souhaitez
[9:17] être ajouté à la liste durant la période
de questions, il est encore possible de donner
votre
[9:21] nom à la table d'accueil. Avant de commencer,
je souhaite vous rappeler les consignes pour
la
[9:27] période de questions. Une période de 90 minutes
est réservée pour la période de
[9:33] questions. La priorité est accordée aux résidentes
et résidents de Pointe-Claire. Les
[9:40] non-résidents pourront poser leurs questions
par la suite si le temps n'est pas écoulé.
Vous
[9:46] devez demeurer assis jusqu'à l'appel de votre
nom. Une seule personne à la fois est autorisée
[9:53] au micro. Seule la personne au micro a la parole
afin de donner l'opportunité à chacune et
[10:01] chacun de poser une question. Merci de limiter
votre intervention à une question
[10:07] principale suivie d'une question complémentaire.
Question Period Registration to ask questions
[10:13] was afraid to your arrival? If you would like
to be added to the list during the question
[10:17] period you may still give your name at the
welcome table before we begin. I would like
to remind
[10:23] you of the rules of questions period and time
frame is cet acide for questions priority
[10:29] will be given to Pointe-Claire. Residence non
residence me ask questions afterwards time
[10:34] permitting. Please remained sided and tell
your name is called only one person is at the
[10:39] microphone at the time only the person at the
microphone speak to give everyone the chance
to
[10:45] ask a question, please limit your participation
to one question and one follow-up
[10:51] questions so to begin, we'll start with gary
card. >> Welcome to. The mind.
[11:10] >> Yeah! Yeah! Non. Little here. No it's the
little one. Ok. And that's a good one.
[11:35] >> Thank you. Ok. As I said the good evening.
I'm here for the situation that was brought
the
[11:42] council of the attention on the corner of Street
view and I'm I know when we speak about it
that
[11:48] was going through the traffic committee around
the first one I'd like to know if there's any
[11:56] recommendations that came from that and what's
the status on that if anybody could.
[12:01] >> Yep. Yep, I recall dilemma was what to do
with the truck and how where they should go
[12:07] from there. I can't remember the exact marks
just left the room. I've got it would ask him.
[12:12] Madame Verdon, do you remember? What the conclusion
was on the traffic committee.
[12:16] >> In the committee which will give the content
of the council. Next week. WE will have you
know
[12:22] the recommendations and Auguste. I think my.
My work pretty well. >> It's working. Ça fonctionne.
[12:29] Oui, oui, ça marche. So spending, but it was
a good intervention. I thank you. I remember
I was in
[12:37] the committee and it was serious discussion
has to where it was a dilemma has to what to
do with
[12:46] the trucks where to write them and I'm not
sure what the conclusion was there how we were
[12:50] going to do that I can't remember the exact
conclusion cause we kicked a lot of ideas
[12:54] around. >> Because I understand that I'm itself
was a transport quebec
[12:57] truck routes something would have to go back
to quebec, but when they say that that was
[13:05] during the time When he was was mostly company
in industrial now that you've built so much
[13:13] residential and you change something I don't.
Well that it's been built by the
[13:19] residential. Maybe we can approach transport
quebec to have that changed.
[13:27] >> I think you. >> Want to and maybe we can
work together and get some things and
[13:31] how to be about it. >> And you. >> Want that
in that.
[13:35] >> You know you're a good one and you are correct
your defintely correct about that
[13:39] right and turn going up still view it is a
serious turn and. >> Absolutely that day and
when
[13:48] the truck turn both of us had to stand back
in order to not to get it so.
[13:52] >> Now you're taking I'm glad you asked and
we will know when you but do you think you're
[13:58] going to explain. Thank you, Thank you, sir.
Gordon Read. >> Counselor.
[14:16] >> I'm my name is going I'm leave on bradbrook.
I'm disappointed to be here again
[14:20] tonight. I'm here representing the resonance
of bradbrook and Craig more in addressing the
[14:26] same subject matter we've been highlighting
for several years most recently in my where
I gave
[14:32] a sort of similar smile exactly what the city
is planning to do with the dilapidated dilapidated
[14:38] and compromise Conditions of avenue West of
maywood and what can be done immediately to
[14:44] increase the drainage on these streets there's
a couple of new points that has come to my
[14:50] attention since may and i'd like to highlight
and quickly summary. If you don't mind with
[14:54] her a lot of words and excuse such a CSC planning
type planning processing bodies
[15:00] concerns some deflection blowing in Montreal
and a lot of political positioning but we
[15:06] haven't seen any meaningful work and our official
plan to address the situation let me remind
you
[15:12] of these concerns it's been over and a half
years since we first mentioned the need for
[15:18] investigating the Underlying foundation of
the intersection of Craig and Bradbrook my
[15:26] neighbours house made by thinking his year
is nine inch below curb label several years
[15:30] ago. I was even height to the curb. He said,
he can put his hand between the walls and the
[15:36] feeling of his basement. It's been suggested
a possible think all my existe or may be farming
[15:42] and the city engaged and engineering contractors.
I believe that was IBS. To assess
[15:48] the situation. WE are still waiting to hear
the results of this review and I'm again
[15:54] requesting immediate release of these results
number two. It's been over three years that
we
[16:02] are in during the noise of traffic thumping
over the numerous paths appears that have
[16:08] been made to repair the original and ageing
sewer and waterline circa sixty imagine yourself
[16:14] living by side and listening the vehicle reversing
the yellow Torque bridge on a daily basis.
[16:20] Pom pom pom pom pom pom pom all day. Long enough.
WE are in during crack to our foundations
[16:26] walls and ceilings due to the vibrations of
the traffic thumping over the patch enjoint
[16:34] two more road patches have been added since
the council meeting. I'm sure no other street
in
[16:42] Pointe-Claire has as many patches in a hundred
foot spend the city continue to bounded the
[16:48] water and sour lines when it's obvious the
road must be rebuilt to resolve the issue that
we
[16:54] have the inside of you would be done about
nine ten years ago and has no issues that were
[17:02] aware of the West side actually dreamt into
the East side yet we have floods something
is wrong.
[17:10] It's time to immediately dresses the situation
and I'm requesting a concrete action itemize
plane
[17:16] be prepared and disclosed to us before the
election. WE do not want to start over with
us for
[17:24] more years. WE can't afford this anymore a
small segway by the way a traffic and that
I
[17:32] mentioned in may I requested traffic and speed
assessment by done. This was done between June
[17:38] and June nineteenth. I want to thank you for
this the average speed determined by the things
[17:46] that were put down was thirty seven point nine
KM and how the highest speed was at the. Three
[17:54] kilomètres and our. Eighty three kilomètres
and our between stops signs, which is it has
we don't
[18:04] have a problem do we. Eric may have more day
to share on this as he has the output from
that
[18:10] study and also maybe some comments on the determination
of the average point three the city
[18:20] makes you that the flooding one year ago was
a freak storm or the anomalie this might be
true
[18:24] of the august twenty twenty twenty for disaster,
but this doesn't address why the streets
[18:30] of bradbrook and Craig more are slow the drain
even in less raven's several years ago. WE
[18:40] observed warmer temperature start to a car
and people said it was anomaly as years ago
by
[18:46] his temperature continue to rise. It's no longer
anomaly. It is now called climate change. What
[18:52] if this is also the case with rain patterns
Are you ready to gamble with my bed and you're
[18:58] flooding again I spend over the thousand dollars
because the drainage was not efficient.
[19:08] That's my our neighborhood of about forty-five
houses had millions of dollars damaged we
[19:14] need some work done now, Please why are you
waiting residents are anxious every time, we
hear
[19:24] of rain events coming some people even canceled
vacation and trip to monitor their
[19:30] basement and you're for possible flooding.
This is no way to leave. And this is directly
[19:38] responsible for this anxiety. I'm sorry to
say but if they should fix it's now time to
act
[19:46] words and excuses about the need for speed
planning and adjustments to not the
[19:54] likelihood of another costly disaster for residence
in this area. WE can't wait any longer
[20:00] for any more excuse no more meetings, No more
words. It's time for action. It's the only
[20:06] remedy. If we could do it ourselves it would
have been done by now. WE need you to step
[20:12] up responsibility responsibly and as I mentioned
let me highlight a brand new issue that
[20:20] comes to my attention yesterday. This is important,
Please be aware of this. I have just been
[20:26] made aware that residential insurance rights
are rising this year for residence in our area
[20:34] between thirty-five too fifty-three persons
insurance company are indicating that
[20:42] certaines areas of Pointe-Claire are now seen
as flood risks we don't leave near lake side
[20:48] louis, we leave closer to the Tiguan. What
you mean flood this my brother-in-law who lives
on
[20:56] Saint Louis, Just got his coat friday. He baked
at the insurance and he called another
[21:04] insurers belairdirect who indicated the same
rationale and pricing they are blame it on
[21:12] Pointe-Claire flooding. It's now costing It's
more for the end of this administration. Are
you
[21:20] willing to give us a tax break to cover this
increase insurance costs. I am not used stated
[21:26] publicly at the council meetings and in the
middle of several of you that our area rx area
was
[21:36] one of the hardest hits in the city. This is
now when it's been reported in the media as
I say
[21:42] it absolutely no definitive or tangible work
as in a full year to even address or minimise
I
[21:52] repeat situation. This is negligeant and so
this administration may not be
[22:00] capable of determining priority. I've seen
this type some of the project that have recently
[22:08] recent projects dwarfs in comparison to the
urgency of the work. WE require in summary
the
[22:16] time for more words and excuse is past. We've
here we have heard all we want to be here now
[22:24] we'd like to see some meaningful and concrete
actions when we expect you will carry out some
[22:32] constructive remedial work. >> That's very
good question. I'm not sure how much is us
and
[22:40] how much is much how much is much all have
our responsibility in this one. Madame Verdun
as
[22:46] well. >> You know how much Montreal is represented
in the house of the.
[22:52] >> Craig more in breizhbook. >> I can not depending
of each project and if you know.
[23:00] >> What I mean, I can't answer to the speed
which it'll be repaired. If it's a Montreal
[23:06] repair job. I can't I can't speak to that so
I'm not sure. I'm not sure, I can't speak to
[23:10] that because if much responsible than I can't
speak to it, I know that we are. Engaged and
green
[23:18] infrastructure and large green infrastructure
coming down. There is some theories that the
[23:22] water run-off into those areas or influenced
by the way, it is in the geography and the
best
[23:28] way to deal with that if the people can't resolve
the issue in many instances than green
[23:33] infrastructure is one of the alternative the
absorption because when you've got too much
[23:38] water coming down into the pipe which is what
happened everywhere. You look at me
[23:42] skeptical but that's what actually what happened
the peeps could not handle the volume of
[23:45] water so they only issues with that is you
can't you have to manufacturers. WE do all
the
[23:50] people in the entire city at three times the
volume or you also trying to work with green
[23:56] infrastructure, which is something you can
do almost immediately. So we have started
[24:00] green infrastructure. WE have a large plan
for that that will hopefully impact on that
area
[24:06] which which is in the works as we speak so
as for the piping well. There's a lot of people
[24:12] and yes it has piping has to be done usually
roads are done according to the edge of piping
[24:18] and you know now. If there is think all that
would have a bearing on it for sure as to
[24:22] what what to do with the street, but this.
>> Is why.
[24:26] >> You want that would be interesting, I'd
be interested to know the answer is well. I
[24:29] mean If there was I think that's the only thing
that would would i mean that would certainly
I
[24:35] think engineering, but I'm not in it on the
first and foremost. I'd like to speak to who's
who
[24:41] is responsible for it. If it's you no more
than us or more than Montreal, I'd love to
know the
[24:47] answer. Maybe counselor Stark knows the answer
is that one. Well. I have I have to be
[24:54] honest. >> I have this many times to read two
two council. It's
[24:57] something I'm advocating in terms of not just
your but the five areas. I think the climate
[25:01] change of the rain issue. I think the determination
has to be made what can we do or what
[25:06] we can not do and I'm telling you exactly the
same thing when I spoke to you this morning
but
[25:11] that has to be in urgency and I think that's
what needs to be pushed. You know like this.
I
[25:16] think was the last council meeting. WE think
and Mary Thomas references the city of
[25:21] Montreal in terms of you know the people that
are terracotta. You know what could be blocking
[25:26] it up and that's one of the main theory that
exist. But I think we just have to you know
know
[25:34] that we're accelerating the process to get
the some sort of determination as fast as
[25:39] possible because I think I'll be very transparent.
My wife last Sunday, WE came early for the
[25:45] cottage because of the rains and she was concerned
so there is a lot of things that even don't
[25:50] bother me has much but for my wife, I did and
I think every time it rains. There's a lot
of
[25:55] citizens that are fearful of that and some
areas are less infected Some are more but once
[26:01] again we have to determine what can we can
not do. And if we can not do anything we have
to you
[26:08] and saying these are the issues. How can you
help yourself like I said. WE didn't want this
one
[26:14] but we can't raise the city and change all
the peeps, but we have to find out what the
if you
[26:20] are and mitigate because as you said it wasn't
just the major rainfall two weeks after the
[26:23] August night. There was no more there was the
storm drain pushing out so I think we need
[26:28] to get to the answer and continue to you know,
I know the rhythm and the administration is
[26:34] working on it but you know I just need to make
sure that this is because I think this is an
[26:39] important. If you were there was I think for
hundred and registered complaint and you got
[26:46] to figure. I didn't complain my baseman got
flooded I took many out of my own pocket as
well so
[26:51] is gonna be at least two three times or even
for time that many people got flooded if there's
[26:56] the hundred people at the ground twenty ground
which was the insurance, that's it, that's
a
[27:00] chunk of change and then I think and that's
just my personal feeling and I know I can't
speak
[27:05] for my colleagues and I you know I'm sure,
they don't care just as much as I do but I
think we
[27:10] need to have a sense of urgency and I think
I've spoken enough. Thank you just quickly.
I did
[27:15] get the traffic account for days and was seven
thousand fifty five.
[27:19] >> Fifty five. >> Seven thousand fifty five
and that's it. I got it this
[27:23] afternoon. Thank you. >> And I just ask than
that. >> There you have a.
[27:28] >> Just want to make sure. This is seen by
this administration as we are getting to election.
I
[27:35] don't want this lost. I don't want to start
over. This is now free and a half years old
long
[27:41] before the rainstorm we've been worried about
this I mean you know put yourself in my
[27:48] position. There's nothing I can do except talk
to you. I can't fix the road myself. I can't
fix
[27:54] the sewers myself but it is time. >> Well well
aware of that and
[28:02] we know that area in particular as you point
to do we know where the areas of the city and
we're
[28:07] studying what to do with them and we know the
priority for sure and it's been done. It's
[28:12] done. I am I firmly friendly think the most
immediate thing WE can do is green if the
[28:18] structure and we do have the city has come
up with the projects in its infancy that I
[28:22] think is interesting, I don't know you know
the science of it, but it's and it's so it's
a
[28:27] solution that we can do almost immediately,
WE don't have to dig pipes, WE can actually
build
[28:32] green infrastructure. So it's not something
that has to wait you know so we are studying
that
[28:36] as well so there are few options in the works.
>> That the other side of may
[28:43] would had no problem, we the other side. >>
Well the water is coming to
[28:47] you somehow and we have to study why. Well.
That's where the infrastructure comes in if
we
[28:53] can influence how water flows. You can influence
what areas get it here there is not. Well.
You
[29:01] know sadly that that all event for that insurance
it a lot of people West Island with it's not
[29:09] just you need to do it, it's everywhere. Yeah
well Kirkland is Kirkland is actually worth.
[29:17] There are areas that got it even worse and
if the insurance claims are just ridiculous.
You
[29:22] know but don't get me started on the insurance
industry. Okay. Thank you. Ryan. Then.
[29:42] >> Evening everybody Ryan or most of you might
know my one and one lake Shore so just to
[29:49] give the short I leave it one to one lake Shore.
I've been trying to I applied three times to
[29:55] demolish my house to build a new house for
my family. I've been denied three times um
I have
[30:05] feared a lawsuit against the city. The city
called my eternet said there's been change
in the
[30:10] bylaw reply and read applied to be denied three
weeks ago. My demolition again. And what's
the
[30:21] thing, that's the most frustrating is one the
way. The whole Denham Leaching Committee
[30:26] works everything's done behind closed doors
to they send you to you you pay for your demolition
[30:33] permits you get. Up razor that's here by the
city to come around your building. They've
is my
[30:39] house for you for thousand dollars to renovate
my house and bring it up to standard for you
[30:45] for thousand dollars. You can do your kitchen.
I'm also a general contractor. I've been doing
[30:50] construction for twenty five years. So what
I did this I went and go and structural report
[30:54] from the structural engineer to visit my house
my structural engineer determined that a
[30:59] person of my house needs to be demolished and
turn down and reconstructed not taken into
the
[31:07] consideration of the report from l'advisor.
On top of that at my last Demolition committee
I
[31:17] asked the committee. Did you read the document
that we're provided when being the original
[31:23] report from lizards who is for sixty for thousand
dollars. I can bring my house up the
[31:27] standard which doesn't make sense. I have windows
at our over twenty five years old the
[31:31] second was the structural engineer report saying
that the house needs to be the watershed
[31:35] then there was another report from my architect.
Patrick McGee, who was a well-known
[31:40] architect here is clear that said the cost
to renovate this house to bring up the standard
[31:45] would be around seven hundred and something
thousand dollars and somebody from the city
[31:49] mentioned all know that was the price to reconstructed
know that is not the price, that's the
[31:54] price to do the renovation and then the third
one was an independent general contractor.
[31:59] I took it out of myself. WE hear the independent
general contractors is given estimate
[32:03] and he came up with roughly the same number
as. Patrick McKay on top of that when you are
waiting
[32:09] for the demolition committee to view your feel
your fear is posted on the website with all
[32:15] the documents supporting where you wanted demolition
in your house, the replacement of your
[32:19] house the report from the hard power, but for
some reason all my other evidence that I had
are
[32:25] not on the website so none of the other citizens
can see that information so everything is
[32:31] based on this one report in my opinion cause
I know sixty for thousand dollars that's tax
[32:36] included on top of that it doesn't get you
anywhere, you get it maybe a kitchen you know
[32:43] so why are not all the information being provided
properly as the council seen
[32:48] that information cause. I have no everybody's
been talking about my feel. It's the third
[32:52] time. I'm here I am I get a babysitter to watch
my for children to come again to talk
[32:57] about why can't I build my house. Mister talk
about keeping the héritage my house that I'm
[33:03] putting up blanc right into the héritage,
The urban planning in favor and not one citizen
[33:09] complain about the construction my house, but
I'm here again in front of you give in the
same
[33:15] thing. I'm going to appeal again, You know
but it's frustrating, it's wasting my
[33:21] time in the meantime. I had to move out of
the house cause now the house is no longer
suitable
[33:25] for a family of six. So I had to go somewhere
else which involve more costs more sharing
costs.
[33:31] Now I have a house that I have to that's completely
empty I can't even rented because I
[33:35] wanted demolish it and I have to leave somewhere
else it's frustrating. WE say keep the
[33:41] héritage, bring the family back to think I'm
trying to keep my family in Pointe-Claire.
But
[33:45] everybody else has a different decision that
sitting on the border of them listening and
not
[33:50] all the counselor. I'm just it's very frustrating.
What's on top of that is what construction
[33:59] experience do any of you have our any of you
engineers are any of you general contractors.
Why
[34:05] are you making those decisions? Why is the
committee made up of people to make that decision
[34:10] that don't know how to read those reports and
don't understand them the report from
[34:15] the appraiser, she is an architect. The lady
a structural engineer overseas architect
[34:21] every time if you want to build a new building
and clear the requirements Are you need the
[34:27] architectural plan and then you need the plan
from the structural engineering cause and
[34:30] architect is not the structural engineer. There's
a structural engineer saying my house has to
[34:35] come down yet it is acknowledged. If this was
the source overpass the structural
[34:40] engineers said that thing had to come down
the demolition committee decided no we want
to
[34:43] keep the héritage of the past and the thing
felt down then what happens it's the same
[34:49] thing, it's my house the church engineer. You're
not reading all the proper information and
it's
[34:53] getting really frustrating for us. I started
this application July of last year so I'm one
[35:01] year in on top of that the blog changed before
my last appear so the original blog is you
had to
[35:07] do a whole drawing as everybody knows what
the house is gonna look like the whole layout,
[35:13] blablabla which costs thirty-five thousand
dollars plus all the things to be told
[35:17] no at my people the right before my decision
was to be denied my appeal. The bella changed
to
[35:27] have less impact for the citizens so they don't
have to spend this much money as I did
[35:33] great but then with the new bylaw comes all
kinds of ridiculous questions I don't
[35:38] know I've anybody's with that one of the question
This is how much greenhouse gas is gonna be
[35:43] committed while you take down your house who
can ensure that who what what citizens what
[35:49] General contractors can tell you how much greenhouse
gas is that the machine is gonna cause to
[35:55] take down the house. Do you guys ask the snow
removal company that the tractor that removed
[35:59] the snow in the street. How much greenhouse
gas those are giving out I entered the question
and
[36:05] I'm sure the city officials enter the check
my question with the same way. I thought I
took
[36:11] that thing and chat gpt that gave me the answers
and the city hold back. That's the perfect
[36:14] ensure that exactly what we're looking for
that's how ridiculous some of these
[36:18] questions are a scientist. It's the only person
they can give you that answer so it's getting
[36:23] really frustrating as a citizen to waste my
money. My time my family is time to not be
able to
[36:31] build a house that perfectly fits into the
héritage of Points clés. WE build all kinds
of
[36:35] condo. It's gonna look like cote-des-neiges
out here before I can build my house from my
[36:39] family to grow up in yeah so I'm real frustrated
I really would like to know my question who
has
[36:47] the experience to really read these reports
on this council too to understand the structural
[36:54] engineering. >> Please that right away. It's
not of us do absolutely has the
[37:01] expertise to do that we're not. COMPETENTS
to structural analyse or or determine greenhouse
gas
[37:07] emissions. I think really what we're talking
about here is our source and our source of
[37:12] expertise and I'm not part of this the committee.
But from what I am I am here is the city
[37:19] has one source of expertise and you have other
sources of expertise and so now. It's left
[37:23] to be determined which one is correct and how
do we get to the bottom of that it's a very
good
[37:30] question and go ahead and. >> Engineer destruction
Engineer I told him and he said. He was
[37:37] the night well as he wants to know was the
instruction engineer in the night because
[37:41] that's the only other way. You can go against
in the order of engineers. They don't like
to
[37:45] fight against each other but I don't get any
information just that my feels been denied
and
[37:51] then when they tell me it's been denied at
the demolition committee, which is not recorded
[37:55] by the way it should be recorded because it's
just as emotional as these meetings are here.
That
[38:03] I'm not allowed to speak after my decision
branding. So it's almost like the city playing
God
[38:08] with my house. It's my house, I pay the tax
on it and then when it I get the decision been
told
[38:15] now I'm not allowed to talk. I just gotta take
my licking and leave all the chance so those
[38:21] that needs to be studied on how this demolition
committee is structured and maybe more people
[38:26] with professional backgrounds should be put
in that committee it should not be be made
up at
[38:31] the counselor it should be made by made up
of the city has engineers on staff somebody
that
[38:37] understands construction needs to be in that
position. Whether house can be demolished or
not
[38:43] urban planning has it whether the house should
be built or not they have city inspectors that
[38:46] comes around to ensure that the code is being
respected. Why is not the same for the demolition
[38:52] well. >> I hear your frustrations and I sympathise
with a lot of it in
[38:58] fairness counselor are getting advice are getting
expertise given to provided to them are
[39:04] should be. I'm I'm not there, but I'm assuming
that there are acting on expertise that there
[39:08] are being provided I don't think there. There
are working on their own knowledge of how to
[39:14] deal with the structural element of your house
because we aren't trained you're right but
we
[39:18] should make decisions based on information
and scientific and good information. I'm I'm
[39:23] hoping, that's what it's here and I'm not there
so I can't speak to that myself personally.
[39:28] I am somewhat concerned that that you're not
the information you provided is not up on has
[39:34] not been put up there and that concerns me.
I don't know how I can certainly trying address
[39:38] that one myself but beyond that I leave it
to anybody else who was involved to speak to
what if
[39:45] they feel so inclined. >> Ask for the composition
of the demolition company that is
[39:52] the established by law. It's not something
that we've created so the demolition and decisions
are
[39:59] made by counselor counselor will not have expertise
that you out, that's the reality, but they
are
[40:05] the counselor get the expertise of our staff
that prove that the help inform the decisions
so
[40:11] that's that on the basis, that's that's the
basis of how these decisions are made.
[40:19] >> Nobody give me proof I get that you tell
me it's been denied, there's no proof,
[40:25] there's no means, there's no it was in your
project was evaluated be so and so Jean-Guy
[40:32] Engineer singing on the City of Pointe-Claire
none of that information is provided so where
[40:37] is I could tell you I'm an astronaute. It's
the same thing you guys, don't give me the
all
[40:43] the truth. Everything is hidden. It's public
knowledge where is the actual fact that this
guy
[40:49] said my house. He's going against my structural
engineer where is that proof he said she
[40:54] said. >> We said that in the decisions so that's
the that's the
[41:00] evidence, that's the decision, that's why.
>> There's no.
[41:02] >> Fact that that's the decision is what it
is what you can hold as you are doing hold
the
[41:09] elected official to account for that in the
process it goes to making that decision. I'm
just
[41:14] I'm telling you the documents and all the all
the question is that are required to you to
[41:19] answer to fill out that is all over by the
staff. The staff then compile all that president
[41:25] that information to the demolition committee
with their assessment with their analysis
[41:29] and then we make the decision and yes, we make
the decision based as non expert. Panel
[41:37] expert assessing the information that is provided
to us by the expert, that's the reality,
[41:41] that's the law. >> Why can't we have the proof
that those professionals saw it
[41:47] and they they must have read and down there
not just gonna tell you and always.
[41:52] >> What ever is accessible to the public through
access to information. So you can get
[41:58] whatever is everything down. I'm not sure what
is. >> How not the fear.
[42:02] >> The complete files that anything you want
that feel that is. Said the way you have to
[42:12] apply for under access the information and
everything in that files will be open to you.
[42:19] >> It. >> Is getting ridiculous. >> What is
the status of your
[42:28] files at the present time. What's the next
step. >> Last week in April so we'll
[42:34] go to the council for the August Council meeting,
but I'm still keeping my lawsuit there and
[42:40] till we know everything is done because. >>
That gonna be on the August
[42:46] Council meeting the public meeting in August.
>> Before that meeting Just do
[42:52] you you think will receive the appeal Friday
Thursday so we have to do it you know in
[42:59] August. >> August est un caucus meeting August
at.
[43:04] >> August the twelve the two. >> Worlds will
be meeting. Yes for that. You Okay, Thank you
[43:13] August and then we will decide on your appeal.
>> I would like the proof that
[43:21] qualified people read my feel before giving
it to the counselor and I think all the
[43:27] citizens with two to have that actual information
because if not there are going to go paying
[43:33] legal fee with against the city and then they're
gonna be like why are we paying well because
[43:39] these people that they had all the answer from
that information is nowhere to be found. Patrick
[43:45] McGee has been doing this a long time. I've
been doing this a long time my éternise check
[43:49] everything there's no information anywhere
that seize These people have the need your
[43:53] house for these reasons There's no where that
is thank you for your time.
[44:00] >> Frederic. Caroline Dormagen had I do with
that Caroline. Thank you.
[44:10] >> I am here with the community of neighbours
concerned regarding the narrow green
[44:15] spaces behind our home on clearview avenue
and he. >> Could you get a little
[44:21] closure of the microphone. >> Make. >> Sure
that would be good.
[44:25] >> Concerned with a narrow green space behind
our home and clearview avenue and hickory
[44:32] avenue. The low number for information is for
two five three six eight at last year. I
[44:38] came to our attention that there was the possibility
of a house to be constructed on that space
[44:43] the reason why we were had to believe this
is because there was the land survey survey
of
[44:49] that came to do some work in the area some
trees are being tipped off and the engineer
can be to
[44:54] explore the possibility of diverting the colour
that pass along that law coming through
[45:00] some of our backyard down from Cedar Park and
this cover was installed many years ago to
help
[45:06] with run off from center park and even with
the colverts there that drain into a sewer
on
[45:14] Sherwood, which is at the entrance of this
green space summer of our back actually most
[45:19] of our backyard flooded during heavy heavy
rainfall so should that colvert be diverted
as the
[45:26] engineer suggested could be done then we're
in concerned that will be even bigger concern
and
[45:32] also raising the risk for flooding. So this
alone rise substantial concerns regarding
[45:38] the suitability of the house being built on
that lots so we have a few questions. I don't
[45:43] know how you would prefer for us to do it one
question and you know followup questions are
all
[45:47] set up the background. I'll ask a couple of
questions and when my neighbour will come and
[45:52] follow up so I'll give the background for all
of us how it seems from previous conversation
[45:57] with the City council members that we are not
able to get a direct answers on whether our
[46:03] house will be planned on that green space.
However, according to the bells of Pointe-Claire.
[46:09] Any structure proposed to be built on that
lots would not meet zonings requirements so
a
[46:14] variant would need to be requested just to
give you an idea the frontage with of that
[46:19] lots is only twelve miller's wild and the moon
and the minimum required frontage has to
[46:26] be eighteen with so this is not a small deviation.
This would be actually the law right now is
[46:33] the three narrower than the minimum required
so granting potentially a variant of this
[46:39] magnitude would not be a minor exception it
would be a substantial change that
[46:44] undermines the content of the existing zoning
below so we respectfully ask the council to
[46:52] clarify some of the following questions what
criteria to use the council used to evaluate
and
[46:58] decide on a variant request what would lead
you to approve or to not approuve a variance
request.
[47:07] >> The general process is that we have you
and the committee that examen who are which
they
[47:13] consists of some experts. And renovations in
architecture and other areas of expertise.
Who do
[47:21] have some advice prior to council making decisions
on this type of thing.
[47:27] >> I guess as you know whether the pilot of
land can safely support construction grading
[47:33] altered water drainage all of that would be
considered. >> So these are very.
[47:38] >> Good question and those should be given
to I think greater expertise. I think
[47:44] you're question is a good one. I have just
spoke to the car and in me to him. It is similar
to
[47:50] my answer to you. I'm a big proportion of green
infrastructure. If we have
[47:55] potential flooding and we should be very very
careful where we build especially in intensely
[48:01] residential areas that we don't mess up water
flow with building and if it's a bizarrerie
sized
[48:08] lots and not inconvenients it doesn't fit in
criterion. I am myself personally inclined
to
[48:15] seriously examine this that proposal I don't
know if it's. Well, that's what I mean. It's
[48:23] like that it's like everybody's golf course
or things people say they're useless well there
there
[48:28] spongieuse and green is sponge and if you want
to prevent flooding you don't build on
[48:34] green. You build on great you never you shouldn't
build on green and that's my philosophy
[48:39] going forward. I mean there's one thing for
the pips, but this is an easy way that we can
[48:45] mitigate against flooding is to be very careful
not to build on green because green is the
[48:48] spanish and especially if we have flooding.
If you so I hear you loud and clear I sympathize.
[48:55] >> OK, So we are uncertain about whether anything
is moving forward.
[49:01] >> I can't do you want that one. >> Ahead.
>> Which is never a bad idea.
[49:05] >> Kind of connected is what is the timeline
for the council to decide whether the request
of
[49:10] variance would be approved or not approved
so when you received that request I believe
[49:16] that it gets published in the months of the
upcoming meeting that this very has been
[49:22] requested. What is the timeline to address
whether or not. >> That's a good question.
[49:26] >> Madame Verdon. >> WE are talking about political
projects, so when we
[49:33] received a project at the city that will be
analysed by the urban planning Departments.
If
[49:39] the project need some minor variance space
to be adapt. They will have to go to the committee
[49:45] so it's a committee that will analyze the feels
and make a recommendation to the City
[49:53] council after that we will have you know we
always have some public not before this fifteen
[49:59] day before the council. So we have access to
have that in the website and they will be
[50:04] published on the menu and you can speak about
minor variance at the same council that the
[50:09] file is present to the City council. >> That
council meeting and
[50:15] speak about our concerns exactly. Because should
and then there's a decision to approuve
[50:23] that variance despite our concerns what is
our recourse at that point is there recourse
for
[50:32] any any of us who are concerned, we don't want
to lead to something that's a fait accompli
[50:37] and already decided but if that should happen
what is the recourse for our concerns to be
[50:42] heard. >> If it's the approved by the city.
You don't really have a
[50:46] record of untill unless if you decide to sew
the city because you seem that you know the
[50:52] decision is something, but you really have
to prove that the decision needs to something
that
[50:59] is the words, I don't feed the world. Yeah
damaging damaging for your personal wellbeing.
[51:08] >> So there is there is another record of course
and that's to appeal Tout public opinion There
[51:14] is always the media, It's always it's always.
>> Available would be making it
[51:22] right now and not very. >> Thirsty. >> CAN
we just clarify are you
[51:30] talking about the property that has french
and sherwood between clearview and hickory.
[51:35] >> Yes, yes and we're actually the council
and about this actually a couple of emails
last
[51:41] year. >> I will follow up with the counselor
Stanford when she's
[51:46] back just let's get ahead of it ahead of time,
just going from twelve years of the French
team,
[51:53] but even beyond what the very right. >> It's
just more information,
[51:58] you know first, it's a very poetical project
so it's very hard for us and. No to answer
[52:04] and each zoning is different so each project
WE have to look at the zoning. WE have to look
you
[52:14] know at the front stage. >> Those are the.
>> Zone so it's the case by case
[52:21] projects that we have to analyze. >> Informing
the council of our
[52:27] concerns. Before it's a deal if you want. >>
It do not very well. You
[52:37] can't. >> Stop as a member of the committee
things are always
[52:41] looked at one of the things to come as you
mention water is one of your big concerns.
Usually
[52:46] that's taking the. Consideration at one point
legally. You are not allowed to run off when
you
[52:50] build something off to your neighbors and them
and do harm so that that is also locked out
[52:57] in terms as part of the process, but as as
madame Bardot, and you know if it goes to the
pack, it
[53:03] comes to the council, There's nothing is made
before the decision is made you have the
[53:07] ability to come up and then discuss and so
there are options. There are options.
[53:11] >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Diane Mary.
>> This is just a sort of
[53:21] further that what would you consider a minor
variance. If we're talking about that you
[53:28] have the difference are you like what just
off the top your head is that considered a
minor
[53:34] variance or is that considered like a major
variance. >> Good question I'm not sure is
[53:38] that minor or major. >> Where there is minor
variance is just the change in the from
[53:48] the zoning something that this is not it there
is no such thing as the major variance. So
all
[53:54] this is this comes to this comes up quite often
because the citizen that object is to a
[53:59] request for a minor exemption is actually the
correct terms will say that's not minor it
all.
[54:05] It's major in their view, but you know the
way, we're the way. WE have to deal with it
is just
[54:11] requesting exemption from an aspect of the
zone in OK. >> So I mean, I understand what
[54:17] you're saying one two readers I get the minor
I think if we're talking about thirty three
[54:22] person of a difference here our their about
that would definitely need to be considered
[54:28] as we don't have a major turn, but obviously
not the minor concern. So hopefully that would
[54:34] be very much taken into consideration. >> It's
a kind of things you
[54:38] would bring up at the when the mind if the
minor exemptions should never comes before
[54:42] council. That's exactly the kind of points.
You could make then. >> It's the council before
[54:48] they're gonna be looking at the variance even
have it brought up. I would hope that the
[54:54] council would be requesting back to the people
who were requesting that to say and make
[54:58] it very well known well. That's a very large
variance. Right I would hope that that before
even
[55:04] came anywhere at that that would sorted by
discussion about what the measurements are
in
[55:08] everything like that right the other thing
is I just wanted to bring up the drainage issue
is
[55:12] huge a lot of our backyard. WE have pictures
you don't have to show you these right now,
but we
[55:19] have send them to the council for it they are
flooded at the moment even during heavy rain
[55:26] right now not the big big big storm that a
lot of people were affected on regular spring
and
[55:30] weather conditions. WE have the colours that
runs through the back and several of our backyard
[55:36] have been flooded almost up to our deck. You
know where were almost gonna be having to use
[55:42] the pool as coming out, but it's so that's
a very very, very huge concern. WE can't even
go into
[55:48] our backyard because there so there flooded
and luckily we do have that green space that
is a
[55:54] natural drainage that does help with it because
the very big concern is the other part is
[56:02] many of our house on clearview are about two
feet lower than the house behind us that was
[56:10] done many many many years ago, but if structure
was built on that land and hickory what would
[56:18] the level be of that house compared to the
house is here, which are two feet lower than
[56:23] the house is over here and where would be enough
be going so you know these are all like huge
[56:28] concerns that we know that we want to make
sure that is expressed for this. Thank you
[56:34] very much. >> Thank you and just just have
to conclude on that there are
[56:41] I've seen our house have been built where they
have had major water influences and surrounding
[56:48] homes so I think you are correct to be concerned
and that it should be studied the water
[56:52] flows should be studied on this before anything
happens I agree and I would use major it was
[56:58] something other than exemption of variance,
but you can use major some other way in
[57:03] describing it. Thank you, Thank you. Marc Desbiens.
>> I'm just here It's.
[57:10] >> OK, Ok. Ken Crutchfield. Ok. Sonia Fiocco.
>> Thank you. I'm here with my
[57:26] neighbours as well understanding that there.
>> Could get it so the people at
[57:32] home can hear you all the ways. >> Understanding
that there is no recourse and it makes sense
[57:37] when things are acest meticulous only in find
details just wondering what type of
[57:43] assessment. I think it was last but I didn't
I didn't clearly hear the answer what type
of
[57:47] assessment are done on a lot when somebody
request the development project.
[57:54] >> It's a very good question madame Weldon.
>> When will receive a project
[58:02] in the city is the responsibility of the owner
to the opposite all the plan so I
[58:06] will included, you know the. Kind of plan astral
would be the you know the drainage. WE will
[58:13] ask a certain amounts to have the permits and
we will look at the plan is the responsibility
[58:17] of the owner after when do the construction
to respect the plan and we have people you
know and
[58:23] feel that will looked at the end to look and
with the inspiration and for that.
[58:28] >> It with respect to the drainage is the city
doing the assessment or is it the
[58:36] responsibility of the developers to provide
that information and the city make sure that
it's
[58:42] compliant. >> It's the responsibility of the
owner.
[58:44] >> The owner. And. These results the assessment
are done the results of the these assessment
[58:54] are they made public. >> Non know what they
are not public the only way that the
[58:59] citizens of the neighbors can see the plan
is if the owner of the plan is willing to show
to
[59:05] the neighbors. OK for example. I can not show
the plan of your house to your neighbours.
[59:13] >> That's fine. I understand that but if the
city approved if the city is OK. WE improve
your
[59:18] assessment everything comply from that point
do the resonance of Pointe-Claire. Receive
this
[59:24] information. >> Is the only time that the plan
becomes public. If we have
[59:30] a minor variance so if you have you know the
decision that comes from the council it will
become
[59:35] public because they will part of the decision
but if everything is comply with the by law
will
[59:39] not come public. >> OK. Alright, Thank you.
>> Just to follow up again.
[59:45] You're here are our good and there. I do it
myself find off and the process are in favour
of
[59:53] developing not against the impact on the people
that are existing and it is ambitious and
[59:59] it's one that I fear for your skills as well.
>> Okay.
[1:00:05] >> Okay. >> One last thing because mister Thomas,
you've been elected, I
[1:00:12] think a lot of our citizens because the residents
of Pointe-Claire. Do appreciate the
[1:00:18] environment around here. WE don't want to see
as much development or prior
[1:00:22] development. That's right the condo that we're
being built you were very you were in advocate
[1:00:28] to sort of slow down and. >> Still in. >> So
I'm gonna end with this
[1:00:32] and I'll read it I said beyond the technical
and legal. There are brother, there are brother
[1:00:38] issues of the environmental impact and neighborhood
well being part of the law are
[1:00:44] heavily wounded and mature trees that support
local wildlife removing these trees were not
[1:00:48] only reduce the natural drainage, but also
disrupted the local ecosystem improving the
[1:00:54] development on this one that requires a significant
variance would be inconsistants with the
[1:01:00] council stated commitment to slowing down construction
and preserving. If not expanding the
[1:01:04] community greenspace. Thank you. >> Thank you.
Dave Jason. >> Hello!
[1:01:22] >> I'm here again with the good people from
hikary and true with and I'm just following
up on the
[1:01:30] somewhat related to ensure that was given from
anyone decisions is taken that informed by
[1:01:42] expertise. And so. Gentlemen from one to one
lake Shore was advised that he should feel
[1:01:50] access to information request. That property
he has access to that information so he can
say
[1:01:56] as the owner. I want everything that's been
worked on my on my land. WE don't own that
green
[1:02:03] space. It's not your counselor historique was
saying if that if the council decided to improve
a
[1:02:11] project that results in water running off into
are here we are affected by it and there for
my
[1:02:19] question is if the people who is properly border
that greenspace apply for the access to
[1:02:27] information on the plane that are submitted
by the current owner of that would we have
the
[1:02:33] right to that would we have the right to access
that information because we're gonna get it
early
[1:02:40] and make our case or we're gonna get it later.
Through lawyer and proceedings, which was gonna
be
[1:02:49] costly for everybody so I. Would access to
information request by handled by the property
Warner
[1:02:55] who borders that greenspace. >> Well and I'm
not at all over the world and the second but
[1:03:03] it's pretty hard to access the information.
If there is any. Life is there are there is
there
[1:03:09] a builder is there is there there's no projects
in place yet right so that's what you're
[1:03:14] asking to see, I would take no way in the event
that there was that's a good question, Madame
[1:03:22] Verdon and the event of how quickly can the
access if there is a plan.
[1:03:27] >> If you have no decision comes from the council.
You have no access to the information of the
[1:03:33] plan for our private owners. The only way that
you can have say that if we will request the
[1:03:39] autorisation from the owner. If you say yes,
we will transfer to the order citizens but
is
[1:03:45] designed to say no you will not have access
to the to the plan. >> OK. If you understand
where
[1:03:55] were coming from if there's granted in this
situation having access to that information
not
[1:04:03] just the decision but the expertise informed
that the language that is used by the
[1:04:09] expert in those decision is very very important,
because sometimes the language that is
[1:04:14] used in supporting it is a little stronger
than that might be used and that that would
be
[1:04:19] important in the access information requests.
>> And it would be nice someday
[1:04:24] over the rainbow. If you wouldn't have to access
the information and it would just be
[1:04:28] transparent when that be an ideal world. Yes,
I can occur. And bozorg shooter. Banni. Arya.
[1:04:42] Ok. Jennifer Roy. Oh non! Oh Jesus! Yes! Ok.
Dave Johnson Sorry sorry sorry Jennifer sorry
[1:04:56] I Apologize. >> David Johnson. >> District
One District un. Je
[1:05:06] viens au micro ce soir, simplement pour saluer
et rendre hommage à mon conseiller
[1:05:14] municipal, Claude Cousineau. Un homme qui est
devenu un ami depuis des années. Claude a
[1:05:22] annoncé la veille de fête de St-Jean sa retraite
de la vie politique. C'est une
[1:05:32] contribution à la vie politique qui qui a
commencé, je pense. Il y a un demi-siècle
comme comme
[1:05:42] pompier d'abord ici à Pointe-Claire et ensuite
avec la Ville de Montréal. Après les
[1:05:48] fusions forcées, puis et puis après ça,
deux mandats et demi avec la ville de Pointe-Claire
[1:05:58] comme conseiller. Merci Claude pour votre dévouement.
Thank you, Claude for your many years
[1:06:06] of devoted services, I would like to tell you
my favourite story about Claude. His last
[1:06:14] election alive. This was after I went back
in the election and. In district one who I
swim with
[1:06:29] the village. He he he said to me you know why
Claude one I said why I was his poster. I said
it
[1:06:39] poster what about his posters and he said his
pictures I see what is it about this picture.
[1:06:49] He is so handsome. He looks like a movie star.
C'est sûr que les gens votent pour plusieurs
[1:07:05] raisons, pas seulement pour les plus beaux
et les plus belles. Mais je connais Claude
et
[1:07:12] souvent je prends un café avec Claude dans
le village et je vois le va et vient des gens.
Et
[1:07:19] je reconnais que la qualité de ses relations
personnelles avec les citoyens est très élevée.
I
[1:07:28] see that some people kind of have the royal
jelly on for the way they communicate with
people
[1:07:37] on a daily basis whether they agree with you
are not on certain dossier I always found
[1:07:43] that you can do it yourself like and gentlemen.
So Thank you very much. Merci Claude pour votre
[1:07:49] service. Thank you for your kind words. >>
And caucus. Won't agree on my
[1:08:03] talking around the table and getting redface.
Thank you. >> And the handsome part. That's
[1:08:10] all other stories. Jennifer Roy. >> CAN you
hear me? No good evening.
[1:08:21] >> Ok. I'm a president of Pointe-Claire. I
residents in the back of the terracotta.
[1:08:30] Parking lot so district Cynthia Holman District.
I'm just here to bring some concerns since
the
[1:08:37] development of the soccer fields expansion.
There's been a lot of increase traffic lots
of
[1:08:45] increase garbage a lot of increase noise. Lots
of increase speeding dangerous driving
[1:08:53] there's a lot of children walking, there's
a lot of still lot of people walking along
the
[1:08:59] past. I'm just looking to find out if there
is something in place to manage there's been
a
[1:09:05] lot of growth there in that area and if there
is any system in place or if there will be
any
[1:09:11] system in place, including regulating parking
the direction of the loop behind terracotta
is
[1:09:19] often people going both ways, there's people
going drag racing up the stripes and the back
at
[1:09:25] our PM when there's kids out there's people
sitting next to the picnic tables and take
two
[1:09:31] in the morning after day, play soccer and I'm
now. I'm not the only one but there are home
[1:09:37] there there is even witnesses and called public
security because there was somebody that
[1:09:43] drove from idlewood through the bike path to
the parking lot go out of his cars and continued
[1:09:49] drinking and that was like it might be midnight.
>> That was off road right.
[1:09:55] >> Off road. >> OK. >> So it's just to find
out
[1:09:59] there asking you the question is there any
management because usually when there's expansion
[1:10:05] there's some kind of management in place to
take into the increase in traffic and
[1:10:13] utilization of Terracotta Park. >> Well, It's
a very good question. Yeah There and we can
[1:10:19] only have public security visit they do visit
the soccer, I know they visit the soccer players.
[1:10:27] The hockey. I've heard the visit them regularly.
I thought there was a natural and what you're
[1:10:33] telling me is there isn't one that there is
no it's because my understanding was that there
was
[1:10:38] some legacy if they. >> Look the. Music. There
is yelling screaming drinking
[1:10:48] broken glass under the picnic table on the
road lots of garbage that's left behind the
[1:10:55] next morning I walked my dog there there pizza
box beer battles. There's just no again
[1:11:04] increase in traffic and no management get.
>> Quick are the pizza box in
[1:11:08] the food and stuff. That's being left behind
you know is that attributeable to soccer or
two
[1:11:15] other other citizens. >> Group that was that
area in the evening most of them. I
[1:11:23] believe our the leftovers after they're finished
the game there there usually that's about the
[1:11:31] time that they start. >> Okay well noted and
would you like to speak.
[1:11:37] >> Well it's because. >> Jennifer and I have
spoken as well few other neighbours,
[1:11:43] especially last week, because there was also
large and I'm thinking like the tourist, but.
[1:11:51] >> And. >> The tourist which was idealism so
I mean it. There's a
[1:11:55] lot. I was written it down, but I also the
right to public security. I've made them aware
[1:12:01] of the situation. I've asked for more surveillance
going around at least for to ensure that
[1:12:08] there aren't bus eye-rolling and necessarily.
I know it was a hot day and everyone is so
us air
[1:12:13] conditioning the only thing that we don't have
as we do not in Pointe-Claire have an idea
below
[1:12:19] so that might be something to be locked out
for the future and you know when you put it
in the
[1:12:23] bed and we'll have to talk about it that council.
WE had a similar issues at the arena
[1:12:28] because that's also in my district and there's
a few streets close by residence also
[1:12:33] with noise in the evening and I think that
people coming out after hockey and that type
I
[1:12:39] think I haven't had very many complain and
I think I've been able to manage that a little
[1:12:43] bit. I've also ask that letters to the soccer
association asking them to be mindful the fact
that
[1:12:51] this is a residential area also and they advise
whoever using it whether it's been there team
or
[1:12:59] or when I'm thinking of visitors teams that
there is that that we have to be aware of that
and to
[1:13:06] keep our area clean for sure, but we can certainly
looked a little bit more I mean a lot of
[1:13:11] this is the responsibility of the people who
I mean. I'm not I get it but I find that it's
[1:13:16] quite sad when I go. >> Yeah Speedbump Maybe.
>> Yes.
[1:13:22] >> We. Can not need to be looking if I was
walking. Okay walking through vawa park at
the
[1:13:31] clock making of noise and somebody pulled them
over there were get a three hundred dollars
[1:13:37] tickets for being in the park after hours so
I don't understand why the same kind of
[1:13:41] being in first well. >> WE know it's not I'm
fine, that's what if I know what's
[1:13:47] going on it makes it easier to find solutions
and so we can sit down and talk little bit
more
[1:13:53] about it is definitely we can see you know
if they can have another garbage can but having
[1:13:57] said that I can remember walking about our
park losing my mind one time take somebody
it had
[1:14:03] this big party and there was garbage everything,
I would I called public security call the
[1:14:09] maire at the time and we got it taking care
of what I was losing my mind the people are
so
[1:14:13] inconsidéré. It and don't think of others,
but that's it, that's the whole another issue,
but we
[1:14:17] can look at garbage can and you were mentioning
having it so that they go away in one
[1:14:24] direction around the terracotta. I know it
is but maybe we have to make it more.
[1:14:32] >> Pretty close and like as I walked my dog
there two three times today. It's been pretty
[1:14:37] close and there's been involved so you know
what I think for a safety.
[1:14:42] >> That's what we can certainly bring that
and see what might just for something about
just to
[1:14:47] know that public security has put it on their
radar to you know it and more regular basis.
[1:14:52] OK and we'll start with that and we'll start
with the letters to the association and we'll
just
[1:14:58] see what happens from there and just keep me
informed and anytime there's noise at night.
[1:15:02] Make sure you call of public security. That's
what they are there.
[1:15:06] >> For I would be just that area that has the
bus parking specifically made for the bus
[1:15:12] parking. Just when the city of Pointe-Claire
started offering. Composed and would ship they
[1:15:21] were all over on the other side that was close
to the dog park that wasn't directly next to
the
[1:15:29] home a concern has been and especially when
the soccer fields were being. Receive is
[1:15:36] the place where put in a large peel the same
way that the compost is in the wood chips or
[1:15:45] there putting large people behind the home
so our backyard back on to that larger portion
[1:15:53] that's considered bus parking. >> It's spot.
>> I mean the amount of the dirt.
[1:16:02] From the big concern. I know that I had asked
you several times and I ended up you
[1:16:08] something that council and they're watching
all over the all over the past where the dog
[1:16:15] walking and the small is coming in my house.
So I'm just wondering if that could be
[1:16:20] looked at possibly when you have large mouths
of stuff that supposed to be picked up or is
[1:16:27] it not possible to do that on the part. That's
not residential so that the dust in dirt and
[1:16:34] excess traffic all that stuff coming right
into the home that are there so it's just the
[1:16:40] question. >> What the public works might be
able to do or madame Verdon.
[1:16:47] That we can look at it they have another location
they could put that I mean, especially
[1:16:54] especially. >> The I agree under person that
that should not be happening.
[1:17:00] >> Thank you very much. >> Nasser Al Dhabi.
>> Good evening about the flood,
[1:17:09] I just remind you in ninety-six. Ninety six
where have one hundred certified millimeters
in
[1:17:20] twenty-four hours in Pointe-Claire ou d'une
avenue flood wouldn't have any streets
[1:17:25] flood would have any houses. Sur back up that
is in ninety six. What is having lost year
because
[1:17:36] before ninety-six wouldn't have all this high-rise
building condos in buildings for about
[1:17:43] three thousand five hundred units when I said
that it is going to cause all the. Head to
[1:17:50] the. Soul back in the flood. Something but
that is the true, so what the city exactly
doing.
[1:17:57] I know Mister you do you don't worry about
all the. High-rise building and condo, but
I'm just
[1:18:06] what the city plans. Did already and what is
still doing the void all because now the rain
it
[1:18:17] doesn't mesure by millimeters et by. Inch and
feet and just last week and I can see what
happened
[1:18:28] so if we don't city planning seriously and
gentlemen talk already about what is going
on
[1:18:34] in his if we're not planning seriously to evoid
all that and I told you about all the
[1:18:43] insurance was going to you leave me now all
the insurance now is increasing that I spoke
to many
[1:18:48] years ago now what is all what I said to three
years ago all it's happening so if you are
not
[1:18:54] listening really and you're doing the right
thing for the city. We're all paying the price
[1:18:59] how many times I have a flood. I have a flood
everybody have a flood, but it's not flood
all
[1:19:05] sur back up in the streets, we couldn't able
to drive in the street. The water Wall Street
[1:19:14] feet. You can't drive, so what the city, the
plan you can tell me what's going on if you
don't
[1:19:21] know exactly next next meeting and tell me
exactly what the city doing the void all that.
[1:19:28] >> Was in these are these that's the question.
WE are. Partner with the answer. I gave to
meet
[1:19:38] again. WE have an obvious obvious solution
and I published right immediately after the
[1:19:44] flood am I published in article exactly on
this issue. What happened last year was that
our
[1:19:50] infrastructure was overwhelmed our underground
infrastructure. Our people were overwhelmed
so
[1:19:56] another world. There is really only another
solution the solution is green infrastructure
[1:20:04] absorption and spending and we've got to have
mothernature work with us as well and that's
[1:20:10] very sad and the simple rule is build green
and build grey not green and that we should
not be
[1:20:15] building on absorption and we in city and in
urban settings have to bear this in mind extremely
[1:20:22] seriously or we're going to keep having the
situation that we continue to angers. So we
have
[1:20:28] to be really smart about how we build and where
we build and we have to look at what we can
do
[1:20:32] with our existing green space in urban settings
which are our friends, they are flooding
[1:20:40] prevention the green space is in urban settings
are flood prevention settings. WE should
[1:20:44] not destroy them simple as that. >> I wanna
know Please. >> We have we have green
[1:20:53] infrastructure projects in the works and I'm
not allowed to go to far with this but we do
have
[1:20:59] a very interesting one in the works and its
its new territory it's completely new therein
and
[1:21:05] it's exciting in some ways and if we can start
implementing them and start implementing
[1:21:12] green infrastructure on a regular basis in
the city and we can start getting good at it.
[1:21:16] I'd be excited I'd be very excited now there
is a large project in the works and I'm
[1:21:23] anxious to see whether it all comes to fruition,
and. And what the impact will be.
[1:21:31] >> The next next running. You don't have the
same thing. >> We see the thing the thing
[1:21:37] with the rain and that's what I was explaining
earlier. If you're if your infrastructure
[1:21:42] can absorb the water if your pipes can't handle
that volume of water you're screwed the only
[1:21:46] thing You can do is other other means and that's
green infrastructure. That's the only
[1:21:53] thing or we can fight against climate change.
So we don't have the events in the first place
[1:21:58] which is the obvious the first answers, but
the second answer is to implement green
[1:22:02] infrastructure to mitigate against your infrastructure
being overwhelmed those are the
[1:22:08] same and you have to set it a few acres of
snow. Sur back up because there is too much.
[1:22:14] >> What the. Way from the building so that
is what. >> Well. It's not the waste from
[1:22:20] the buildings. It's the water coming down from
the sky. It's not now.
[1:22:25] >> It's from all why you have to backup and
the water is think that is from where that
water.
[1:22:32] >> It's from too much build from all in the.
>> Building from it's not clear.
[1:22:38] What are what we have it in the in the flood.
>> What we're not not scientists
[1:22:44] must be. >> Witness and in all my neighbor
witness all that yeah.
[1:22:47] >> Well that's a convenient argument for me
but you know I think a lot of it was that we
[1:22:53] are dealing with extreme events. Now that we
never had to deal with before and we have to
start
[1:22:59] scrambling to deal with them because. >> It's
going to be one year my
[1:23:02] next next question. Where you run for the reserve
the city for the green Antibes Garden City
of
[1:23:13] West Island, not the Downtown of West Island
and you want to reserve all the green space
and
[1:23:25] for young single houses for young family and
to load taxes for all. Exist citizens the
[1:23:35] anyone from all the City Council. What they
go against you for all the building condos
[1:23:42] about all that. >> Sorry and again what I was
thinking and I must.
[1:23:49] >> Again for the preserve the city of Pointe-Claire.
Caractère and they have city.
[1:23:57] Pointe-Claire at the garden City, not at the
Downtown West Island. And to load taxes and
to
[1:24:05] cut the cost of operating the City. I did rich
too many things from that way because I have
big
[1:24:15] opposition from the City council. Now the election
is going to be in november the only
[1:24:19] one from all the City council agree about what
the citizens needs and want because I went
to
[1:24:29] the last. Mr baby. >> If I may not. >> Is just
in the middle.
[1:24:39] >> And I want the lost City Council. >> Ok.
[1:24:53] >> When we went for the City. You remember
for hundred people with their waters city
[1:25:01] consultation the City consulting. >> When the
consultation process
[1:25:03] Yes. >> The old people, they don't want any
high-rise buildings,
[1:25:06] they want all l'aube Preserve de caractère
Pointe-Claire No one want any and all reserve
the
[1:25:15] green and Cadillac Forest. But the city Monopoly
the company to don't talk about all the green
[1:25:25] space and tell us about what to do in the backyard.
>> The City manipulate.
[1:25:34] >> That it's true, he said, we don't allowed
to talk about the City.
[1:25:42] >> You're talking about the denial of the consultation
process on greenspace.
[1:25:46] >> Yes. >> Yeah yeah that wasn't I wouldn't
call it manipulations
[1:25:50] and call at the Mirror, I mean I consider the
dome still to this day. I think we should have
had
[1:25:58] the consultation and not having it. I think
was a mistake I still feel that way I wouldn't
[1:26:04] call it manipulation, I would call it. >> For
me. I don't understand
[1:26:09] why he said I'm not allowed to talk about.
>> Well. I can't wait but there
[1:26:15] is litigation involved so we can't really address
that you. Okay.
[1:26:18] >> So please now the election is going to be
in november Second the day anyone from the
City
[1:26:26] council considered to follow what you run for
it or you are going to be against you again
so
[1:26:32] we'll have to get really good time to work
for the citizens of the clear, not for any
[1:26:40] developers or any. Investors will be there
when we built this city, we living people living
in
[1:26:50] for ten years twenty years and years of fifty
years paying taxes to care about the city,
[1:26:54] then what they built the city so please try
to listen to the citizens of Pointe-Claire.
What
[1:26:59] do you want? >> In there? >> That is what I'm
saying the
[1:27:04] only one of them all about all what we said.
>> Will they have I mean council
[1:27:09] what I can't and that I can't ensure that.
You don't have to. >> Go to all that again
were
[1:27:17] there for years. Then you want answers, please.
>> I'm gonna be after the next
[1:27:26] election. I'm gonna be joining you there. After
the next election. I'm gonna be you
[1:27:36] there. >> Here welcome. >> And I don't know
where you
[1:27:43] get your information about us not wanting to
do what what the citizens want I have no complain
[1:27:52] in my districts. Thank you. >> So. Thank you
must have. >> Must spoken on this subject
[1:28:10] numerous times about the apartments about the
water about how developing is happening, I
[1:28:15] will say it again every time something is built
first of all your first thing about the water
[1:28:21] and that I see you there was a hundred and
thirty for millimeters and over twenty
[1:28:27] hours the problem that the cure last August
is we go ninety-six millimeters and in our
life that
[1:28:32] is the difference secondly when you talk about
development and I'll say it again. It is not
the
[1:28:38] people and you that are feeling the pulse what
happened in August, we have and I mentioned
[1:28:44] you the third time. WE have two drainage system.
WE have the water system and we have the
[1:28:50] source system when the water system overwhelmed
itself. It goes into the system. That's why
[1:28:55] everybody is. Were blowing water and August
so all that you again, Please finish you at
all
[1:29:02] the time in the world. If you have a piece
of property whether it be a school a park or
a condo
[1:29:08] does more rainfall out of the sky. West point
and everytime something is developed you take
[1:29:17] any project where do you agree with those are
not believe that inside you take any project.
[1:29:22] That's happening right now when you have a
vacant industrial building which is not any
pour
[1:29:28] 100 parking lot and you build a rental apartment
that's five ten fifteen stories here it is
that
[1:29:38] ninety pour 100 seulement parking lot is being
substitute by at least for the sixty-five
[1:29:42] person greenspace and where were those people
park the problem we have now all those industrial
[1:29:49] areas the run-off is not mitigated it runs
off directly to our susurré system which
[1:29:55] overwhelmed it we have bylaws now that any
new building would be industrial commercial
must
[1:30:00] have a proper drainage system and it must have
water retention basin. So when we do get flash
[1:30:08] floods it first goes into the retention basin.
Just like the seventy-five that were put on
[1:30:13] you in two thousand seventeen it goes into
the water basin. So the water water system
doesn't
[1:30:20] get overwhelmed so in essence by building these
new things we are helping our floating situation
[1:30:27] cause these basin are created to stop the immediate
flow into our water system. So that's the
[1:30:34] answer and I'll be honest. I'm not gonna get
up here and get it and to take it again.
[1:30:40] >> Thank you, I'm the fact, I'm talking about
the fact and ninety six. You don't have any
[1:30:45] flood in the street. You don't have any backup,
you don't have anything and the system of the
[1:30:50] soul. Even did it at the end of. >> This one
last time one last time in any six or ninety-six.
[1:31:00] >> Ninety-six. >> Novembre 2013. And you stated
before over for our system. I
[1:31:06] think Montreal is over twenty-four hours. I'm
not exactly sur the problem that
[1:31:12] happened last August we go just under a hundred
millimeters in an hour and a half not over
[1:31:20] twenty-four hours. That's what overwhelmed
our. >> System and the city. I have
[1:31:25] the city. >> Think thank you very much. >>
Statistiques of the City and
[1:31:29] from the city statistics. I'm not taken from
my city. >> I think we shouldn't be
[1:31:35] engaging in debate you had your coaching. >>
Because living and all now
[1:31:40] costing us a lot of money and you see how they
are going to be much.
[1:31:46] >> I give you one one point for you and you'll
like the point in the nineteen ninety-six in
the
[1:31:53] in the dead of night in the decarie expressway
was feet deep and water Pointe-Claire was the
[1:32:01] voice of water so you figure that one out there
were there were places that were
[1:32:07] overwhelmed with water in that in that period
and clear wasn't wanted Pointe-Claire is changed
[1:32:14] that's that would be my argument, there so
and the answer is to build build as
[1:32:19] counselor Stork was saying if we build great
that is that is a good way to go and I also
say
[1:32:25] that probably the single family home. If you
can be intersperse with duplex triplex
[1:32:33] semi-detached and not just the single family
home is where to which where to develop
[1:32:39] responsibility that would that would be my
ensure as well. Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank
you.
[1:32:43] >> Sir, Thank you. >> Thank you Lynn Conway.
>> Good Evening Council Thomas I
[1:32:56] didn't really plan to come to the podium and
ask a question today and till I saw the agenda.
[1:33:04] So I thought it was a bit concerning item fifteen
points three two fifty five because all
[1:33:12] this related to the public works so just last
year last year the budget allocated twenty
five
[1:33:20] millions to I don't know if it's being renovated
or rebuilt, but there was twenty five million
[1:33:26] allocated already for public works. Now things
are being added like and I don't
[1:33:31] understand because in the past I've come to
the podium to ask questions about excessive
[1:33:37] expenses in my view so I just find like in
to make a parallel with the federal government
[1:33:46] what's been in the news lately the finance
minister asked ministry to find billion in
[1:33:54] spending cuts so I was just wondering. Why
are we spending money like this war tearing
down
[1:34:03] to the South homes for forty-five thousand
dollars and then we are rebuilding. An
[1:34:12] installation of a fabric covered structures
for hundred thousand cases the only I don't
know any
[1:34:20] city that have a fabrique covered structures
the only one I know is the Olympic stadium
[1:34:26] and we know what happens to that it's always
been ripped. >> I'm not sure.
[1:34:32] >> That fabric structures like I was all we
were all these expenses that already allocated
[1:34:36] in the twenty five million dollar. >> All.
That's it the south
[1:34:40] those are abroad are our pasteur there. >>
You know.
[1:34:46] >> It's a part of it. It's part of the normal
operation. It's not a new project. It's not
part
[1:34:52] of that project. It's part of our normal opperation
of public works the South home and the
[1:34:56] functioning of the south has been there I've
been there the Council Tremblay was mentioning
[1:35:00] they were there and his childhood. That's how
old they are and how long have been here
[1:35:06] and there there there there do that there is
because he remember them in his childhood
[1:35:10] that I've been around the world. >> And I have
been good planning to have plan this with the
[1:35:15] contract is given to rebuild the public works.
>> It wasn't that it wasn't I
[1:35:19] don't think it was included wasn't madame Verdon.
>> It's not the same type of
[1:35:24] work in and renovating the public a public
building so it's not the same type of contract
[1:35:32] that we have so we have to separate them. >>
In concerning his why would
[1:35:39] be building a fabric covered structures for
this kind of what.
[1:35:43] >> I. >> Think this and we already know that
soon are the winds
[1:35:47] going to rip through it. You know. What building
that the actual?
[1:35:54] >> More domes and I'm not sure and I have it
all in that one over the environment and the
[1:36:00] second but the dôme of. Expired the past there
do that and I think the south needs to be
[1:36:06] protected somehow and I think this is the most
expeditious solution and I don't I'm not
[1:36:12] sure of the science of it, but I don't think
we'll be doing it If it was a waste of time.
I
[1:36:18] wouldn't do the job, but at it over the madame
Verdon, but I suspect. This is just part of
[1:36:24] our opperation. WE do need to solve the roads.
WE need to maintain our south supplies.
[1:36:28] >> Anything against the point of view is I
found it concerning that it's a large amount
of
[1:36:32] money and it's a fabric covered structures.
So I don't see this. Have you seen this has
anybody
[1:36:40] seen this in the other city on the island of
Montreal. >> I suspect. They're probably
[1:36:44] here, but I'm not sure. Madame Verdon. >> Is
the new way that we put
[1:36:47] some structures over the south because the
soul can around the building and that kind
of
[1:36:53] structure is the best way to have a better
life time for the structure, but is not fabric
is
[1:36:59] that kind of fabric and PVC, so especially
made for that kind of structure, and it's supposed
to
[1:37:07] last twenty twenty five two three years. >>
I don't know that it seems
[1:37:13] like a lot of money. I'm just you know it's
like the government. The federal
[1:37:17] government is trying to save money money, but
this is just gonna cause more expensive. Down
[1:37:21] the road. >> I think we can I think we're gonna
have to do it we have to
[1:37:27] do something to protect the south we have to
do something and that I think it's the best
[1:37:33] way to do it to our understanding. I'm not
sure. I'm not an expert at this but that's
[1:37:37] my understanding. Madame Verdon. It just just
explain it so. >> Okay. I'm just in case every
[1:37:45] every month, I like expenses and expenses.
>> And it cost many to run the
[1:37:49] city. It does cost money to run the city. >>
Okay, Thank you.
[1:37:54] >> Thank you. Geneviève Lussier. >> Bonsoir
tout le monde. And everybody my first question
is
[1:38:05] about the climate plan recently. David Suzuki
said the interview was your last week that
the
[1:38:12] fight to fight climate change is lost so we
have lost the fight to the counter climate
change
[1:38:19] which was talking to me to read and very emotional
actually the article is very good and very
[1:38:24] difficult to read but there is what he said
is it now, it's time to come together is
[1:38:30] community and build resiliency so with that
in mind and with gratitude for the city to
[1:38:40] putting putting together the climate plan back
in march presented it to the to the
[1:38:44] residences back in march. I was curious what
the budget is for this climate plan given that
now
[1:38:53] we're aware that climate change is here. WE
need to mitigate for extremes climate events
and our
[1:39:00] city the large when we had in our guest of
the last year being one of them. I was really
[1:39:06] interested to here tonight that somebody people
are bringing up the importance of green
[1:39:10] infrastructure and so I really am curious what
the body is for the climate plan that the city
[1:39:16] has presented back in March. >> Madame Verdon.
>> I don't have the amount with
[1:39:21] me so I will have to talk because it is different
account So we have to know the different
[1:39:26] accounts and for sure that the fact that we
are doing the climate plan right now I will
[1:39:32] have an impact on the budget and the next year
is also so. >> I did ask about climate
[1:39:36] resilience at the last budget presentation
and there was an announcer at that it was gonna
[1:39:41] hoping there would be there be more of an answer
now, especially there was such a huge
[1:39:47] budget for the public works building over now
so I was kind of hoping that the budget to
[1:39:53] protect our citizens protect our infrastructure
protect our health and human rights would
[1:39:58] also be would be up there as well so be really
great If we can get it at some point that be
[1:40:04] really helpful. Thank you my second question
is about eleven point to which is adopter la
[1:40:11] directive linguistique relative à l'utilisation
d'une autre langue que le français? Just
[1:40:16] wondering if I can get some details about point
two. >> Je vais répondre en français
[1:40:24] puis si la. On va se permettre de répondre
en français. La. Dans le fond, la loi au niveau
[1:40:32] de l'Office québécois de la langue française
a changé quand même depuis quelques années
en
[1:40:37] mesure que la ville de Pointe-Claire, afin
que la ville de Pointe-Claire puisse
[1:40:40] communiquer avec les citoyens et les entreprises
aussi dans une autre langue que le français,
on
[1:40:46] est dans l'obligation d'adopter une politique
de linguistique. Donc ça va nous permettre
[1:40:52] justement de continuer d'avoir des conversations
ou d'avoir des dans le fond même des imprimés
[1:40:58] ou des interactions avec les citoyens ou avec
des entreprises qui ne font pas affaire au
[1:41:03] Québec, dans une autre langue que le français,
nécessairement seulement l'anglais, mais aussi
[1:41:07] dans d'autres langues. Si on n'a pas cette
politique là, on n'a plus le droit de le faire,
à
[1:41:12] moins que la personne soit quelques critères,
là, à l'étudiante en anglais, soit
[1:41:16] moins de six mois au pays, ou que, dans le
fond, elle soit capable de nous prouver qu'elle
[1:41:21] vient de langue maternelle. Donc c'est vraiment
pour pouvoir mieux servir les citoyens.
[1:41:25] >> Je suis vraiment contente d'entendre ça.
Merci. Puis ça, c'est différent que l'adoption
[1:41:28] du règlement qui qui permet la ville d'opérer
de manière bilingue. Est ce que c'est la
[1:41:34] même chose? >> C'est la notion de ville bilingue
est complètement
[1:41:38] disparu, donc c'est vraiment en fonction d'un
article. Nous, dans le fond, c'est que, en
[1:41:42] adoptant cette. Dans le fond, ils reconnaissent
notre droit de pouvoir communiquer dans une
[1:41:46] autre langue que la langue française. Mais
c'est sûr qu'en termes de on doit avoir une
[1:41:52] expérience exemplaire au niveau de la langue
française. Donc on doit toujours offrir nos
[1:41:55] services de façon bilingue ou de prédominance
en français. >> Donc c'est ça, à chaque
[1:42:00] année, ça se fait ça qu'il. >> Faut. >>
Renouveler ou non.
[1:42:02] >> Non, Une fois que c'est fait, une fois que
c'est fait, c'est fait.
[1:42:06] >> Ok, super, merci. >> Merci. Thank you everyone
that was a really interesting
[1:42:12] question period and I thought I really I thought
the citizens did a very good job have putting
[1:42:20] their point of view across and I love you all.
Ok, on peut continuer.
[1:42:24] >> On peut continuer. 5.1. Oui. Alors, Avis
de motion et dépôt d'un projet de règlement
[1:42:29] modifiant le règlement PEC 29 77 décrétant
les tarifs exigibles pour le financement de
biens,
[1:42:34] services et activités offerts par la Ville
de Pointe-Claire pour l'exercice financier
2025.
[1:42:38] Les modifications proposées ont pour but d'élargir,
dans la section des abonnements
[1:42:42] journaliers au Centre sportif Oliver, car l'accès
à différentes salles
[1:42:47] d'entraînement ainsi que l'ajout d'une séance
d'orientation obligatoire pour les jeunes de
[1:42:51] 14 à 16 ans qui souhaitent utiliser la salle
de musculation.
[1:42:54] >> Pour 5.1. Do I have a movers. >> Notice
of motion and. >> Six point one authorized
the
[1:43:08] participation of three members of Council at
the first edition of the Gulf Tournament organized
[1:43:12] by the Shriners hospitals for children in Canada
to be held on August seventh twenty twenty
[1:43:16] five at the summerlee golf course and country
club. This authorization is for the
[1:43:20] participation of counselor Kelly torsade Colin
and Eric Stork and Mary Tim Thomas for the
total
[1:43:26] amount of two thousand one hundred dollars.
>> 6.2 Autoriser la
[1:43:29] participation de trois membres du Conseil à
la 32e édition du tournoi de golf organisé
par
[1:43:33] Nova L'ouest-de-l'île devant se tenir le 11
août 20 25 au club de golf Beaconsfield. Cette
[1:43:39] autorisation concerne la participation des
conseillers Eric Stork et Bruno Tremblay,
[1:43:43] ainsi que celle du maire Tim Thomas, pour un
coût total de 1 650 $.
[1:43:47] >> 6.3 Autorise la participation of for members
of Council at the fifteenth addition of the
Gulf
[1:43:51] Stream organized by the turisas Dealer of cards
residence to be held on August Twenty-fifth
[1:43:57] twenty twenty five at the Royal Montreal Golf
club. This authorization is for the
[1:44:01] participation of Councillor Kelly torsade Colin
Eric Stork and Bruno Tremblay as well as
[1:44:05] maritime Tommy for a total costs of for thousand
fifty dollars. >> 6.4 Autoriser la
[1:44:11] participation de quatre membres du Conseil
à la 31e édition du tournoi de golf organisé
par
[1:44:15] l'Association de l'Ouest de l'île pour les
handicapés intellectuels devant se tenir le
[1:44:19] 29 septembre 2025 au club de golf et Country
Club Summerlee. Cette autorisation concerne
la
[1:44:23] participation de la conseillère Kelly Forster,
Colin et les conseillers Eric Stork et Bruno
[1:44:27] Tremblay, ainsi que celle du maire Tim Thomas
pour un coût total de 1 150 $.
[1:44:31] >> 6.1 6.4 doivent ajouter. >> Eric Stork,
District Seven. >> Un secondeur.
[1:44:39] >> Bruno Tremblay, District six. >> Merci.
>> Fatherless Amendment and the
[1:44:47] Register of check for the period of my twenty
twenty twenty five to june twenty twenty twenty
[1:44:53] five 10.2. >> Déposer le rapport sur la vérification
de l'optimisation
[1:44:57] des ressources 20 25 de la firme Mallette.
>> Point trois Return Guidance
[1:45:01] on the distribution and composition of amovible
subs categories and his transmission
[1:45:05] to the assessor Montreal assessment division.
I seeking return guidance privée prior to
[1:45:09] the feeling of a new assessment rule indicating
the subs categories of amovibles that
[1:45:13] will be subject to the resolution on the allocation
and composition of sub categories of
[1:45:18] the movable these sub categories of our identical
to those approved by council in January
[1:45:25] twenty twenty five. >> 10.4 Autoriser la fermeture
ou le transfert de postes
[1:45:29] budgétaires associés à des réserves et
des fonds de parcs et terrains de jeux pour
[1:45:33] lesquels les projets, travaux ou achats d'équipements
sont complétés ou annulés. Cela
[1:45:35] permettra de rendre les fonds à nouveau disponibles
pour les projets futurs. La somme
[1:45:39] nouvellement disponible est de 2,463 $ et 45
sous. >> Exercice annual option
[1:45:45] provided for in the contract enter into with
no go for the period of August twenty twenty
[1:45:51] five to the end of July twenty twenty six in
the amount of seventy-five thousand two
[1:45:55] dollars taxes included for the practice of
office supply. This is the second of three
ritual
[1:46:01] period. >> 5.3 point FIV do I have a. >> Claude
Cousineau, District
[1:46:06] un. >> Cynthia District. >> 10.6 Octroyer un
contrat pour
[1:46:15] l'acquisition des licences de services en nuage
Domnica à Haïti Inc. Pour un montant total
[1:46:20] de quatre 20 022 $ et 60 sous taxes incluses.
Ces licences nous permettront de déployer
et
[1:46:25] d'adapter efficacement les bureaux virtuels
et les applications à partir d'un plan
[1:46:28] de contrôle unique avec un approvisionnement
rapide, une automatisation et une gestion
[1:46:32] simplifiée pour les utilisateurs. >> Seven
Award for the Princess
[1:46:37] of for Cisco Switch to It Inc. For the total
amount of one hundred thousand twelve and the
[1:46:43] seven sans taxes included. WE are replacing
for of our current Cisco cores switch which
are
[1:46:48] outdated. >> 10.8 T'octroyer. Un contrat pour
l'installation
[1:46:52] d'équipements de sécurité et de surveillance
dans les tunnels piétonniers à Secure MAX
[1:46:56] Systèmes intégrés de Sécurité Inc. Pour
un montant total de 65 739 $ et 62 sous taxes
[1:47:02] incluses. >> Pour 10.6 à 10.8. Do you have
more?
[1:47:08] >> District numéro huit. >> Seconder Bruno
Tremblay District six.
[1:47:16] >> One of the signature of an occupation permit
for a dog parc Ovid parks and the bicycle path
[1:47:22] between the City of Pointe-Claire and the ministère
des Transports et de la Mobilité
[1:47:26] durable. The City which is to renew and rectify
the occupancy permit from two thousand and
[1:47:30] nine for permission permission to occupy set
areas for maintenance operation upkeep and
[1:47:34] reconstruction purposes for a period of five
years and will automatically be ringwood every
[1:47:39] year up to a maximum of five years period.
>> 11.2 Adopter la directive
[1:47:44] linguistique relative à l'utilisation d'une
autre langue que le français en juin 20. 22
[1:47:48] La Loi sur la langue officielle et commune
du Québec Le français a été adoptée et
a modifié la
[1:47:54] Charte de la langue française en février
2023. Le gouvernement a adopté la politique
de l'État
[1:47:58] qui nous donne les grandes orientations en
matière d'exemplarité. Aussi, en 20. 23,
[1:48:02] le règlement sur la langue de l'administration
et le règlement concernant les dérogations
au
[1:48:06] devoir d'exemplarité de l'administration et
les documents rédigés sont entrés en
[1:48:10] vigueur. Les villes qui entendent utiliser
une autre langue que le français doivent
[1:48:14] adopter une directive pour indiquer les règles
de conduite applicables ainsi que les
[1:48:18] exceptions possibles en vertu des articles
23 à 26 et 29.1 de la Charte de la langue
[1:48:22] française. >> One two, two have a mover. >>
Merci Two of one fatherless
[1:48:35] of delegated save changes for the month of
July twenty twenty five.
[1:48:39] >> Et 12.2 approuver la liste des changements
au personnel pour par décisions non déléguées
[1:48:43] au 8 juillet 20 25. >> For two of point Two
12.2 Do I have a. District at.
[1:48:54] >> Districts three favor. >> Merci. >> For
one approved agreement to
[1:49:00] be enter into with the centre d'acquisitions
gouvernementales regarding the edition of the
[1:49:04] City of Pointe-Claire to the group purchase
for the pursuit of light vehicles for the period
[1:49:08] of November first twenty twenty five two October
thirty first twenty twenty six the city which
[1:49:12] is to join this group purchased to the very
vehicle required for its operations in accordance
[1:49:18] with the fleet rituals plan the contractor
the contract is estimated at two hundred
[1:49:22] thousand dollars taxes included. >> 14.2 Octroyer
un contrat pour le traitement des frênes par
[1:49:26] injection sur le domaine public et privé pour
l'année 20 25 à biocontrôle Acéricole Inc.
Ce
[1:49:32] contrat est composé de deux volets. Le volet
un concerne le traitement des frênes sur le
[1:49:36] domaine public pour un montant total de 46,
196 et 96 taxes incluses. Et le volet deux
[1:49:42] concerne le traitement des frênes sur le domaine
privé, pour lequel la ville n'encourt
[1:49:46] aucun frais. Les coûts seront assumés par
le citoyen qui fait appel aux services.
[1:49:50] >> Award of Contract for Snow Removal Around
Fire Hydrant for two winter seasons to
[1:49:56] Marie-Josée I feel for the total amount of
one hundred and two thousand three hundred
and two
[1:50:00] and ten sans taxes included. >> 14.4 Octroyer
un contrat pour des travaux de nettoyage des
[1:50:06] collecteurs et des conduites pluviales Atec
VAC Environnement Inc. Pour un montant total
de
[1:50:10] 74 $, 256 et 60 sous taxes incluses. Ce contrat
est requis pour le nettoyage des conduites
[1:50:16] pluviales d'agglomération. >> Approuve of
change order to the contract enter into with
[1:50:22] sidewalk for emergency numatic excavation works
for the replacement of service boxes and
[1:50:26] valves boxes for the amount of a thousand 606
$ taxes included. This is for additional emergency
[1:50:34] works carried out between december first twenty
twenty-four and its twenty
[1:50:38] twenty five. >> For five do I have a over.
>> Bruno Tremblay, District.
[1:50:45] >> 622. >> District. >> Merci.
[1:50:51] >> 15.1 Octroyer un contrat pour des services
d'extermination pour la période du premier
août
[1:50:55] 20 25 au 31 juillet 2026 à Groupe Solutions
Inc. Pour un montant total de 35 975 $ et 68
[1:51:03] sous taxes incluses, avec deux périodes en
option, Le contrat consiste à exécuter sur
demande
[1:51:08] l'extermination dans les divers bâtiments
et parcs de la ville ou tout autre lieu situé
sur son
[1:51:13] territoire. Les différents services sont l'extermination
de nid de guêpes, le traitement de
[1:51:16] fourmis charpentières, la fourniture de cages
pour marmottes, le contrôle
[1:51:20] d'extermination de peste, vermine et rongeurs
et la gestion parasitaire mensuel.
[1:51:24] >> Fifteen Award of Contract for Maintenance
Inspection and Repair services for traffic
[1:51:30] lights for the period of mid July twenty twenty
five to june thirty twenty twenty six to take
[1:51:35] x Electric, Inc. For a total amount of two
thousand nine hundred and twenty one 100 taxes
[1:51:40] included with two periods in option. >> For
the fifteen points to do
[1:51:46] I have a mover. >> Eric Stork. >> And second
Cynthia.
[1:51:54] >> Merci. 15.3 Octroyer un contrat pour des
travaux de démolition et de disposition des
[1:51:59] matériaux des dômes à celle dans la Cour
des travaux publics à neuf quatre, six deux,
trois,
[1:52:04] six zéro zéro Québec Inc. Pour un montant
total de 45 832 $ et 86 sous taxes incluses.
[1:52:10] >> Award of contract for the supply and the
delivery and the installation of a fabric covered
[1:52:15] structures for the public works Department
to les industries Permalink for a total amount
of
[1:52:22] one hundred thousand and taxes included. This
contract is required for the replacement of
[1:52:27] the South Dôme following demolition. >> Et
15.5 Approuver une
[1:52:32] modification. Juste un instant. Non, non. >>
Pour 15,3 à 15.4 doivent
[1:52:39] Amour. >> District Three. >> And secondaire.
[1:52:43] >> District huit. >> All and favor. >> Merci
15.5 Approuver une
[1:52:48] modification au contrat intervenu avec construction
CPB Inc. Pour des travaux
[1:52:53] d'agrandissement et réaménagement des travaux
publics pour un montant de
[1:52:56] 305 040 $ et 24 sous taxes incluses. >> And
Secondary. All against.
[1:53:11] >> Je comprends que vous votez contre Monsieur
Cousineau. Okay, c'est noté.
[1:53:16] >> Section 17. Donc les personnes présentes
peuvent s'adresser au conseil pour les
[1:53:21] items 17.1 à 17.5 The Persons President mais
Address Council on item Seventeen Point One
Two
[1:53:27] Seventeen Point Five. No Takers Seventeen point
one consider a minor exemption request
[1:53:36] concerning the property situated at two one.
Du bord du lac Lake Shore Road, The Planning
[1:53:40] Advisory committee recommendations is to allow
the two way circulation. I'll with
[1:53:44] the weight of for point nine rather than for
one line five years sorry rather than the
[1:53:50] minimum required of six. >> Pour 17.1 do I.
>> Paul Bissonnette, District.
[1:53:58] >> Bruno Tremblay, District six. >> Merci.
>> 17.2 Considérer une demande
[1:54:07] de dérogation mineure concernant la propriété
au 317, boulevard Brunswick. La recommandation
du
[1:54:12] Comité consultatif d'urbanisme est à l'effet
de permettre l'installation d'une enseigne
[1:54:15] apposée au mur faisant face au boulevard Brunswick,
occupant 18,95 % de la superficie du mur
[1:54:20] plutôt que le maximum permis de 10 %, et aussi
de permettre l'installation d'une enseigne
[1:54:24] apposée au mur faisant face au boulevard Saint-Jean.
Occupant 15,45 % de la superficie du mur
[1:54:30] plutôt que le maximum permis de 10 %. >> Pour
17,2 doivent approuver.
[1:54:37] >> Saint et romaine district Five. >> And secondaire.
[1:54:42] >> District Three. >> Three consider a minor
exemption request concerning the
[1:54:50] property situated at one Nineteen Labrosse
Avenue. The Planning Advisory Committee
[1:54:55] recommandation is to allow the reduction of
the number of parking space to twelve rather
[1:55:01] than the minimum required of thirty at. >>
Point trois. And secondary.
[1:55:08] >> Bruno Tremblay, District six. >> Merci.
>> 17.4 Considérer une demande
[1:55:14] de dérogation mineure concernant la propriété
située au 107, avenue de Windward Crescent.
La
[1:55:19] recommandation est à l'effet de permettre
un perron ayant une superficie de 13,5 % de
la
[1:55:23] superficie d'implantation du bâtiment principal,
plutôt que le maximum permis de 5 %.
[1:55:30] >> Pour 17.4, ils doivent approuver. Point
trois point. 4.4 5.4.
[1:55:40] >> Saint-Jérôme District. >> And Secondary
district. >> M. Sûr. Qu'avez vous voté,
[1:55:50] Monsieur Stark? Avez vous voté? >> Thank you!
>> Consider a minor exemption
[1:55:57] request concerning the property situated at
two eighteen Wynwood Avenue The planning Advisory
[1:56:03] committee recommendations is to allow the painting
of brick and stone where as it is prohibited.
[1:56:09] >> For something do I have a mover and second.
>> Bruno Tremblay, District six.
[1:56:20] >> 7.6. Considérer les plans d'implantation
et d'intégration architecturale relatif à
la
[1:56:23] propriété au 281 chemin du bord du lac Lake
Shore. C'est pour des travaux divers, notamment
[1:56:29] une extension, une création de nouvelles ouvertures
et le remplacement de matériaux de
[1:56:31] revêtement et toiture. >> Pour 17,6. >> Bruno
Tremblay District six.
[1:56:42] >> Merci. >> Seven consider the side planning
and architectural
[1:56:47] integration program plan with respect to the
property situated at fifth Avenue. This is
for the
[1:56:53] modification of plan. Previously approved.
>> For seven seven do I have a
[1:56:58] movers. >> District huit. >> And six under.
[1:57:06] >> 7.8. De considérer les plans d'implantation
et d'intégration architecturale relatif à
la
[1:57:10] propriété au 107, avenue de Windward Crescent.
>> Pour 17.8 to have more and
[1:57:17] secondary. >> District Tree. >> Planning and
architectural
[1:57:30] integration program plan with respect to the
property situated at two eighteen would you
this
[1:57:34] once again is for the modifications of plan.
Previously approved.
[1:57:39] >> Pour 17,9 to have mover. And second. >>
District six.
[1:57:49] >> 7.10. Considérer une demande de contribution
au Fonds du stationnement public du 281
[1:57:54] chemin au bord du lac Lake Shore pour une case
de stationnement manquante. La contribution
sera
[1:57:57] de 3 500 $. >> Seven and Secondary. >> Seven
Eleven adopt the second
[1:58:12] draft resolution for a specific construction
alteration or occupancy proposal for and
[1:58:17] removable at eighteen dix Source Boulevard
Authorizing the construction of a new building
[1:58:22] and the development of the manitoulin transport
site in several phases et first draft
[1:58:26] resolution was adopted by the council, which
was subject to a public meeting following the
[1:58:31] required public notice the second draft resolution
was adopted. However, we must once
[1:58:35] again adopt the second draft has modifications
were made with made to the draft resolution
[1:58:39] with respect to financial guarantee and the
contribution to the parks and playground
[1:58:43] fund. >> Pour 17.11 to have over Eric. Stork
and Secondaire District.
[1:58:55] >> 7.2 a refait une résolution. >> Pour un
projet particulier. >> De construction de
[1:58:58] modification. >> De modification ou d'occupation
d'un immeuble. Un
[1:59:02] Ppcmoi au 85 avenue Summer Hill, autorisant
l'occupation d'un immeuble à des fins de
[1:59:06] ressources d'hébergement pour femmes dans
un parcours de réinsertion sociale. Il s'agit
[1:59:10] aujourd'hui d'une adoption unique et finale,
selon les dispositions de l'article 145.38
[1:59:14] de la Loi sur l'aménagement et l'urbanisme,
une résolution dont l'unique but est d'autoriser
la
[1:59:20] réalisation d'un projet relatif à de l'habitation
destinée à des personnes ayant besoin de
[1:59:24] protection, n'est pas soumise à la tenue d'une
assemblée publique et ne fait donc pas
[1:59:28] l'objet d'adoption d'un premier projet de PLU.
Selon l'article 123.1 de la Loi sur
[1:59:32] l'aménagement et l'urbanisme, une résolution
qui vise à permettre la réalisation d'un
[1:59:36] projet qui est relatif à de l'habitation,
destinée à des personnes ayant besoin d'aide,
[1:59:40] de protection, de soins ou d'hébergement,
n'est pas non plus susceptible d'approbation
[1:59:44] référendaire et ne fait donc pas l'objet
d'une adoption d'un second projet.
[1:59:48] >> Pour 17.12 Do I have it over. >> Bruno Tremblay,
District six Enseigner.
[1:59:54] >> District trois. >> Enjeux for closure. Do
I have a.
[2:00:02] >> Bruno Tremblay, District six. >> Cynthia.
>> Merci tout le monde. Thank
[2:00:08] you all for your patience.