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We have a quorum. Thank you. And before we get started, I'd like to welcome Shane Beblocqua. I'm not sure what I'm saying. Is that right? Beblocqua.

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And Chad Barron, two of the commission. So welcome. And also Kevin, who's moved up from being an alternate to being a regular member. And Tracy Mountsey, who is a new alternate with the board. So welcome.

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So, next we will have our approach, our pledge allegiance.

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So,

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we have the minutes from last month's meeting, August meeting, do I have any discussion?

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Or do I have a motion to approve?

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Mr. Chair.

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Another.

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Chad BeFF in motion to approve.

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Detinance.

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Miss Cindy Jenom also second.

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Motion Si게 to prove all the favour

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significant by bus in.

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Hi.

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Then.

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Cool.

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And next on the agenda is.

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peut us the.

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Order the agenda.

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was presented with staff and there's

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two cases that we need to vote to

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continue.

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All right.

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These were advertised so we

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who are coming from brown they

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I think that's the same.

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I think that's the same.

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So, October 7th.

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And that is.

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I'll leave the year 2026-3 and I'll leave the year 2026-11.

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I've both requested to be continued to talk to over 7.

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If you'll have a motion to continue those items.

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Angels and this is so moved.

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Sandy, General, so second.

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Motion second to approve the good tiduance.

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All in favor of seeing the Faber C9.

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Okay, the next we will ask our attorney to give us the procedures for our meeting.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The land development case plan will introduce the case today and disclose any responses to the notification,

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which were not already provided to the planning commission in their packets.

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The case plan will then present their staff report and recommendation.

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Anyone in the audience who wishes to speak and present testimony on a case will be sworn in.

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The applicant and others in support are opposition of the case will be given the opportunity to speak.

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The applicant will be given the opportunity to respond to any opposition testimony.

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The planning commission will then discuss the case and vote on the matter.

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Expedited hearing procedures may be used by the planning commission under the following circumstances.

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One, if there is no opposition to the case present at the hearing.

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Two, if the recommendation of the Office of Land Development is for approval

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and three, if all of the Commission members present, wish to use this procedure.

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With regards to level three reviews,

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pursuant to Section 906 of the Polk County Land Development Code,

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the Planning Commission may approve the applicant's request, deny the applicant's request,

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or approve the request with additional conditions.

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President's Section 921 of the Land Development Code, the applicant or any substantial

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affected interest may appeal the final decision of the Planning Commission to the Board

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of County Commissioners by filing a formal application with the Land Development Division

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and paying the application fee. The appeal must be filed with the Land Development Division

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within seven calendar days of the Planning Commission hearing. The Board of County Commissioners

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shall set a date and time for a Lenovo hearing.

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If a party decides to appeal a decision made by the Planning Commission with respect to any

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level three review, he or she will need a record and may need to ensure that a verbatim

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record of the preceding is made.

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The record includes all testimony and evidence given at the hearing.

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Each person or party that qualifies to file such an appeal must independently exercise

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their right of appeal in order to preserve the right.

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A party cannot and should not rely on their right to appeal being preserved by someone else filing an appeal on the same matter.

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Please be advised that a party may withdraw their appeal to the board of...

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If one party withdraws their appeal and another party failed to file an appeal, there will be no appeal or hearing on the matter before the Board of County Commissioners. The application fee will not necessarily be refunded for such a withdrawal.

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Please further be advised that if a denovo application is filed with the board, to be recognized during the denovo hearing as organized opposition, you must either file the application for denovo hearing or receive written authorization from at least five entities or individuals to speak on their behalf against the application, and they must wave their right to speak during the public comment portion of the public hearing.

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Regarding level 4 reviews, pursuant to section 907 of the Lane Development Code, the Planning

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Commission's decision is a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners.

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The Board of County Commissioners will ultimately decide the matter at a later date.

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Regarding X-parta communication, the Planning Commission receives numerous communications from

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the public.

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Unless otherwise stated, it should be presumed that X-parta communications have been made to

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the members of the Commission regarding the matter.

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During the hearing, the applicant, organized oppositions and the public may request the commission to disclose any expartate communication or site visits they have had regarding the matter and question the members regarding their communications or site visits.

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Unless the commission member refuses themselves, here she has a term that they are able to hear the case and fairly and impartially make a decision on the matter based on the substantial competent evidence in the record.

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Mr. Chair, would you like for me to swear in the witnesses for today's cases?

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Yes, please.

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Thank you.

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If you intend to address the planning commission on any case today, please stand up, raise your right hand, and answer out loud to the following question.

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This applies to all cases, so if you believe you may speak today, please be sworn in.

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Do you swear from the testimony and evidence you provide to the planning commission today is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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maybe seated. I'll now go over some housekeeping items before we get started. First, we need

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to admit the counties land planners as expert witnesses. They have all been accepted as experts

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in the past. However, if you would like to wardear any of them as to their background or expertise

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then you may do so at this time. Without any opposition to their admission, please have a motion

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to accept staff as experts in their field of land planning.

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Do I have motion?

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In Joseph's Senate.

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Cindy Janamosa's second.

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Motion's second to approve.

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All of the favor, say hello to say aye.

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Both things aye.

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Thank you.

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Secondly, if we have any experts of the applicants,

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you may tender them at this time, or you may wait until your case is called.

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And finally, the planning commission must review quasi-judicial land use cases.

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Quasi judicial means the action entails applying land development policies to a specific

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land development application in a fair and impartial manner.

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The Commission's review is limited to two areas, consistency and compatibility.

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Regarding consistency, the Commission must determine whether the application is consistent

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with both the Comprehensive Plan and the land development code.

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The staff report and presentation will provide expert analysis and opinion regarding the

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as well as a recommendation as to whether the application is consistent with those criteria.

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Regarding compatibility, the commission must determine whether the application is compatible with a surrounding area.

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The commission will be presented with testimony and evidence at the hearing both written and oral.

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By law, the only evidence the commission may consider is competent, substantial evidence, which means evidence that is sufficiently relevant and material

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that a reasonable mind would accept is adequate to support

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a conclusion.

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The following items are competent substantial evidence.

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Evidence that is fact-based and relevant to the applicable criteria,

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staff reports, and staff presentations.

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Citizen testimony may be competent substantial evidence,

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so long as it is fact-based and may include testimony regarding

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the subjective matters that do not require expertise,

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such as aesthetic and compatibility of a project

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with the surrounding neighborhood. However, popularity polls, petitions, testimony that is hypothetical,

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speculative, based on fear, or consists of generalized statements that do not address the

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land development criteria are not competent substantial evidence. For example, fear that the

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project will cause increased traffic or crime is not competent substantial evidence. Lastly,

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When expertise is required for technical issues like traffic, engineering, drainage, wetland impacts, school and utility capacity, light and noise.

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So we hope you and there we hope so.

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So we'll proceed with the agenda.

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We have the結 kind of number 1 staff, would you introduce that, please?

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good morning.

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Sean, dependent on the development division.

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The first case is for the critical.

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sorry about that.

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First case is a little different than what you normally hear with a title of LDCU.

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It's a conditional use number, but this request is for the board.

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Planning Commission to provide comments.

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You don't have to provide comments, but this is for every request for the planning commission

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to consider historical resources design guidelines

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that were approved by the Historical Commission last year.

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And that's based on a huge effort

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by Marty Cyan, the Historic Preservation Manager here

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to my left and her staff, she had a grand research

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in genealogical historian there on the second row.

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So their offices are in the Historical Museum.

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Old Courthouse.

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But for the record, I need to do need to say,

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we have a staff report provided in the backup document

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an actual law from 1937, and I'll get into that in a moment.

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The actual preservation ordinance, we call it the certified local government ordinance.

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Some of the guidelines themselves, the historical marker guidelines, and the comprehensive plan and

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development policies and regulations out of our documents that you review on a regular basis.

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And in terms of advertising and advertisement in the Lakeland,

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what our havens done was provided on August 19th, and no response was received.

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Some of you were here when the preservation ordinance came through with the Planning Commission in 2023, and that was required to have an action by the Planning Commission.

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But this is not necessarily required for the Planning Commission to take action, just provide comments.

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So to give those of you who weren't here then, a little background.

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The state legislature approved an act in 1937, and I don't think there's many of these

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for many jurisdictions across the state that required a historic preservation for Pope

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County.

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They have to do it.

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It's a mandate.

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They have to do this.

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And it directed that they have to have a historical commission, that a historical commission

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meets about four to five times a year, and part of their purpose is to be advised to reach

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to the Board of County Commissioners and to staff.

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And they also collect a range, record, and preserve historical stories of Polk County.

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One item on bullet two here, I just love the way that the state statute talks about this.

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They procure preserved narratives on early pioneers in their exploits, perils, privations, and achievements.

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Privations, I'm sure, is not in the land of Velma Codes, so I think it's kind of a fun little historical word that we have to use in state law.

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They also gather information on Native American tribes,

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relits, and also data on soldiers, schools, and churches.

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And they have a lot of data on that in their circle library,

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on the second floor in these circle courthops.

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There was a amendment in 2011 to the state law,

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so it's actually still in modern times memory

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or consideration of the state legislature.

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It brought in their responsibility for the genealogical library,

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although I think they'd had that before 2011.

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and promote and solicit donations to historical content and funding.

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There is no special milliliter or anything like that that provides funding to the

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historical staff and what they do.

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The ordinance was approved in 2023 by the Board of Town commissioners and it gave the

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historical commission a different title as well as what they've had for a while and it's

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But basically procedures, ordinance that says how you proceed to go have a property be designated

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as a social site, a district or a structure.

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And it's only owner requested.

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This is not about anything that the Board of County Commission will put on a piece of property

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unless the property owner wants it.

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It's not something we're going to do as a county initiated type item.

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Some of the benefits of the CLG program, which made this really helpful for us to pursue

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it, it provides partnerships and free training for staff and historical commission.

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I've actually benefited from...

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Some of that training. Grants that they do not require matching funds from the local government,

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prioritization and natural disasters. Murders will get a phone call directly from the state if we

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have a hurricane that comes through, trying to find out what's going on and what kind of assistance

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can we give you up front versus other jurisdictions who don't have this kind of an ordinance. The

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commission gets to review recommendations for the National Register of Historic Places where they

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necessarily part of that review process prior. Something that gets into a little bit about what

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you all do as a planning commission. Structures that get the designation of a historical

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of historical site can receive variances from the substantial improvement requirements

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with their in a floodplain. So they may not have to raise the buildings up out of the floodplain.

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They might want to, but if they do, it can also change the historical nature of the structure.

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So that allows them to have some variants out of that requirement.

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And the board also has the ability of a property tax exemption for that.

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The board hasn't started researching that or thinking about that,

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because staff is still developing the program,

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but it's something on the list that we'll be able to consider in future years.

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This just provides a set up of what the ordinance has.

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These historical resources board, the database, how to designate sites,

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how to de-designate sites and what the regulation if they change that structure

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after it's been designated and then penalties for violation and then

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a codification in the code of ordinances. So this is not in the land development code,

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but it's in our separate code of ordinances.

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Then after that was done, the team

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under Mertis, we engage the Inspireplace Making Collective who's helped us with

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conference a plan update to develop the design guidelines, and that's part of your

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backup material, and that was approved by the Circle Commission on May last year.

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And this is just a table of contents for what those design guidelines have.

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Talks about all kinds of different forms of historic preservation, restoration,

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rehabilitation, reconstruction, relocation and demolition.

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So there's lots of things, this historical guidelines go into, and we'll talk about that a little bit.

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Just to show you that we have some regulations in the Conference of Plain and Land Development Code, that if a site is impacted by land development, that's got its role designation.

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They've got to make sure they maintain it according to whatever adopted procedures are for that particular site.

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We do have historic resources map, it's hard to see some of those points, but the points

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in red are they're listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

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The blue is their potentially eligible, meaning they're over 50 years old, and then the yellow

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ones are that it has an historical marker.

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The historical commission has always had a program for marking properties as a historical

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with a marker, which is different than actually the Board of County Commission's designated

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it, designating it as an historical site.

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So this is about the Board of County Commissioners involvement in designating something historical.

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And again, this is just a request for your comments.

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The Board is scheduled to hear this on October 20th, and Mertuses is going to now provide

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a presentation to help you think about what you might offer as this comments.

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Thank you, Shanda.

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Good morning.

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I'm Mertis Young.

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I serve as the Historic Preservation Manager for the County.

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I am positioned at the historic courthouse, which is across the street, and I invite you all to come and visit us sometime in immerse yourself in Polk County history and a little civics lesson.

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So my purpose in addressing you this morning, addressing the commission this morning, is to kind of give you the who and how the process is accomplished, the civic to the guidelines, because that's a purpose of this discussion.

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the guidelines are a tool in the preservation tool box to help us organize the process

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when these items come before us for consideration for designation.

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So, poll preservation and I'm not really really working on script here because we are

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storytellers and I'll get off on a rabbit hole so I'm going to stick to the script and try to move

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through this very quickly. And so at first, I just want to tell you, on the whom, the

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historical commission is a nine-member board that is appointed by the Polk County Board

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of County Commission. And all of this might seem new to you. It's not new. It's on the

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point it out. The historical commission was established by state statute in 1937. The county has

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been by legislation instructed to preserve the history of Polk County and make that history

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available to the public. So these folks, me, join, make sure that I'm doing

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We are doing just that and they also help and to regulate this process. And they also serve as an advisory board to the Board of County

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Commission on Issues of Preservation. So also part of the who is the public County History Center. That's the staff of the History Center.

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I act as the liaison between the Circle Commission and the Board. We meet regularly and we discuss these items on a regular basis.

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So I just wanted to also give you a really quick overview of also the who this is the history center and the four categories there the four programs clarify for you how this work is accomplished.

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The Certified Local Government and the bullet points there show you how we accomplish that work.

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The Education Program is established by the guidelines from the statute achieving that regulation or the mandate to present this information to the public.

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The collection, that's all the artifacts, papers, documents, maps, et cetera, et cetera,

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that we preserved that tell the story of Polk County, the research and genealogy

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library met Shannon, our research and genealogy historian.

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They are the people who do the research to support all those other initiatives.

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So that's the, the who it gets done and what we're doing, the preservation ordinance is

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the foundation of all the historic preservation in the county.

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that passed, as we said in December 2023, it's the only form of legal protection for historic

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sites within the county. And it outlines the process of designating a site as a historic

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and preserves sites once they are designated. The certificate, the certified local government

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program, the best way for me to describe that, that is the collaboration between the federal

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government, the Department of Interior, the State, the Division of Historical Resources,

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and Local County.

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So what that says for you all to have comfort in knowing that since the 1960s, the Department

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of Interior established these guidelines and regulations, and we're following a well-established

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and very successful program.

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So how to apply, as the ordinance provides the legal protections, and it's just really important

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for me to explain that it is only in the unincorporated areas of Polk County.

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The county obviously only has jurisdiction on those properties that are not within the city limits the cities manage the historic preservation of their own within their own boundaries.

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The local, the process, this is just, you know, this is our, okay, we had to put the process in place, this is how it happens.

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I think the important thing here for us to pay attention to on this slide is it starts the recognition program starts.

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It starts again from land owner requests.

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Before we had the process in place,

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almost the first day I arrived 16 years ago.

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I started getting phone calls from people

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who were interested in preservation.

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This process gives us a methodology

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to answer those requests for preservation.

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And for this presentation,

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in the designation process and the preservation program,

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it is the guidelines, you know,

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how we do this?

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You know, that's what this is about.

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So that's what this slide represents for us.

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The eligibility is established, and as I said,

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it's property owner, and the local designation process,

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we just went through that.

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It is passed by the historical resources advisory board.

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Just a little bit of explanation that the historical resources

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advisory board is the board that was established in 1937

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by statute that is the Polk County Historical Commission.

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It serves in both capacities.

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There is specific criteria for designation, so we help the property owner work through

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establishing that criteria for designation, presenting that to the store commission that moves up to the board.

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Then the eligibility, you can see from this, it's, you know, how properties, how to become eligible for designation.

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This slide is, again, just the process.

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It's for us how we go through the steps that we've been

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in this done, again, beginning from the public.

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We don't reach out to the public, the public reaches us.

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We just provide the steps, the process, and the methodology

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to accomplish the designation.

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So the guidelines are a very specific tool used in preserving

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pulse places, peoples, and stories.

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Again, it's a process, a very strategic process,

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following state and federal guidelines to accomplish that 1937 state statute.

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Thank you very much for your attention.

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Shonda will take the program from here.

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Thank you.

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So I don't have anything other than just to ask if you had any comments or questions.

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And anything that you'd wish us to communicate with the Board of County Commission.

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You don't have to, no pressure. This is really to give you an opportunity and appreciate everyone listening, because I think this isn't really important information, not just for the planning commission, but for everybody in the room too.

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So you don't need any action.

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No, sirs.

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Let's say.

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So I have a question. So if I have a house that would qualify, and I may, I don't know that, and I'm not sure I want to submit it.

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live in a 100-year-old arts and crafts bungalow in Barton, I was in the city, so it was

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not in the county. But if I were to qualify my house under this program, does that mean

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the guidelines would provide design standards if I wanted to do any changes to my house,

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Yes. Based upon the era that it was built, is that in a nutshell, what this does?

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Mm-hmm. Okay. I thought that's what it was.

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But it did only apply if it was designated historical based on your...

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But I would have to apply for designation and I'd review it to make sure it's qualified and all that.

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if it did, then in the future, if I did anything to my house, I'm sort of volunteering to say,

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okay, I'll follow your guidelines. Yes. And if I didn't want to follow your guidelines,

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and I have to say, well, then take me out to the list. Correct. Okay. That's correct. And

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murders in Shannon would be involved in reviewing that, taking that to the historical commission,

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or historical resources advisory board in that capacity, and then actually going to the Board of

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Only those red stars are the ones in the county that are now qualified or on the list.

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There's actually been no properties given this historical designation yet on the ordinance.

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This is just a-

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This is just a structure.

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It's a structure.

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I'm surprised that there's not more than that.

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Well, I would agree.

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And a lot of the information you see in the staff reports that we provide you comes from the state resources.

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office, the State Bureau of Historic Resources, they actually don't designate sites historic.

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They just provide a recording opportunity or inventory.

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So we communicate with them, do you have any sites that were someone claims it's historical,

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and then they provide it to us?

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It doesn't mean that it's been verified by somebody or the state or the federal government

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or murders or Shannon.

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It's just somebody says, I think I have a historical structure or a site or district.

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I'm giving it to you, it has to have to have an application, there's lots of documentation

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they have to provide, I'm sure most of it, if not all of it really is historical, but

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and that's the information that we provide to you.

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But with this ordinance and these guidelines, we'll be able, once people start asking for the

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designation and receive it, we'll actually be able to start telling you cases that you see

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if a structure on that property has actually been designated by the Board of County Commissioners

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of historic. And that changes your conversation. It might change what you're considering in terms

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of alterations to the land or for the land development or for the land development.

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Okay. Thank you. Any other comments or questions or questions?

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Yes, sir. You stated that there's county and then there's also the city. The city is responsible

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for their own historic. Is there a way to get an overlay where it shows both? Because sometimes

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city lines kind of weave in and out and you would think maybe they were in the city but

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maybe they're in the county and then designate it as a city structure.

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So like on this map

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right here, these are all county areas correct. There's an incorporated property, which is

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what the Board of County Commissioners would see. But then within the cities, they have their own.

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Actually only two do, Auburndale and Lakeland. Okay. They only two of all the cities in the county

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that have their own historic preservation ordinance.

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So my question is, is that would there be able to be a map?

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So for example, I'm from Auburndale.

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I know of a couple different structures that aren't on this map

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because they're within the city of Auburndale.

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But if I were to say, hey, there's this place.

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Now I would be able to see, that's within the city limits of Auburndale.

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Just a suggestion.

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I'm sure they do on their websites.

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OK.

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I think it's, we might have it wrong if we start maintaining data

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on their historic structures in their sites.

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I know I was on winter hay,

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or Lakeland's yesterday, and they have maps,

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and all kinds of pages on their websites

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for their historical districts and structures.

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Any other questions, comments?

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I just want to wait and say thank you very much.

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You've done an outstanding job.

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The presentation was great.

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I learned a lot just in this little bit,

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and I think it's a great thing.

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You guys have done. Thank you.

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The next case we have is number 2, held the CPAS 2020-614 staff.

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Yes. That's what land use change. And Tyler, Daniels, is the case planner.

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Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Tyler Daniels Land Development.

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This is LED CPS 202614, the Knights Station CPA.

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This is a small scale, and then it's a change.

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The future land use designation on a half an acre from residential low to commercial onklift.

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The site is at 31.35, Knights Station Road on the north side of the road just west of North Galway Road in the city of Lakeland.

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Again, it is on half an acre.

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You can see the building here and the paves a lot.

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This is a current future land use map, the site is currently residential low RL1 and the surrounding areas as well.

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And this is the proposed future land use with the commercial on-clav.

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And here's the context area you can see the other commercial on-clav sites in the vicinity,

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respective distances there.

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Some photographs of the site.

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You can see the single story structure in the front to Johnization Road.

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The House staff finds the impact assessment meets the concurrency standards for the area.

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The property appraisal records the building as constructed in 1974 as a retail store with a paved parking lot.

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And the parcel was originally zoned as C2 prior to the adoption of the comp plan.

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It has been operating commercially since.

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The staff finds this meets the criteria for a mapping error.

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And this is the area for the 1980 and

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the original zoning there you can see it's C2.

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So, the existing and continuous commercial use since 1974, the surrounding designations of commercial enclaves and the respective distances,

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the prior zoning to C2, prior to the adoption of the comp plan,

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staff finds it compatible with the surrounding area since it's been developed and staff recommends approval.

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I understand for questions.

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Any questions or staff?

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So in essence, this is an oops.

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Yeah.

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Seems so, yeah.

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The C2 looked like it probably encompassed a little bit more than just this parcel.

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No, I just highlighted that so you can see it.

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Oh, it is just that small screen.

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It was just the parcel.

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Yeah, yeah, I just highlighted it bigger so you can see it

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So I'm assuming that was probably a zone change back in the 70 early 70s to to build us

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Storm I'm surprised it's existed there this long without having brawls. Yeah, I actually think it's original

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Really because I don't see the parentheses. Yeah, you're right any questions of staff

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See none do we have a motion

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move to a proof Kevin

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Second, Cindy.

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Rogue, please.

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Angel Sims.

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Fourth and I should I.

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Chad Baron.

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Fourth and I'm sorry.

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Fourth and I'm

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sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm.

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Okay.

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Do we have anybody here?

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Always the applicant here.

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Yes.

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Come forward, please.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm jumping ahead.

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Good morning.

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Tom Woodrich with TWS land planning here representing the property owner, I was not upset with the

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direction it was headed there. There are protocols to follow. So, probably the great job

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presenting all the facts. I don't have much more to add. A presentation ready to go but

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in light of the longer agenda today I'll just say we meet the criteria for CE as a map error.

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It's been there forever. My client invested in the property several years ago and is looking

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to a new concept. There's a cafe currently in place called Jonah Bells. They had coffee and

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pastries and...

456
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Acibles and things like that. And the concept has moved on to something else. And as you do that in business, you want to have a little bit more certainty. And when you seek funding or seek approvals, or even if you want to sell it down the line, if you can't explain it, look on the map it's red and the red is commercial. If you have to tell a story that creates nervousness from the buyer or a lender. So best to take care of this now. And now is the time to do this. So I'll answer any questions you have regarding that.

457
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,980
Any questions of the applicant?

458
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,660
So you know, do everyone in the audience

459
00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:37,280
since order of this application?

460
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,980
Anyone in opposition?

461
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:47,690
In a now, we'll ask for the motion again.

462
00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:48,870
Thank you.

463
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:51,770
Motion to approve, Kevin?

464
00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:53,370
Second, Cindy.

465
00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:55,510
Motion is taken to approve, roll call, please.

466
00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:57,130
Angel Sam, for the motion.

467
00:35:57,470 --> 00:36:00,230
Kevin Updite, Chad Baron, for the motion.

468
00:36:00,230 --> 00:36:00,910
For the motion.

469
00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:02,030
Murrow Bishop.

470
00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:02,590
for the motion.

471
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:06,310
Cindy Jennamosso, for the motion, Shane, for the motion.

472
00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:09,580
Motion passes.

473
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,620
Thank you.

474
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:11,080
Okay.

475
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:12,680
Nice case.

476
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:21,230
Next case is LECPS-2026-9, like Mirren Creek's Conference Plan Amendment.

477
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:28,590
That's tied to LECT-2026-6, which is a textment to line development code, and Robert

478
00:36:28,590 --> 00:36:30,230
Bolton is the case planer.

479
00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:43,190
good morning on searching for there we go my apologies good morning Robert Bolton with land

480
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:50,630
development presenting the two requests LDCPAS 2026-9 a future land use map and text

481
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:59,010
amendment from development of regional impact to leisure recreation with a comprehensive

482
00:36:59,010 --> 00:37:09,290
of plan text amendment 2.135 partial specific feature land use map amendment with conditions

483
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:14,750
to reference the subject side has development conditions part of the land development code

484
00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:23,330
text amendment LDCT 2026-6 to appendix E adding limitation to uses within this LR district.

485
00:37:23,330 --> 00:37:30,410
These two cases will be heard together just to make sure y'all are aware and they will take

486
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:31,450
separate actions.

487
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:38,970
For the record, 114 mails were sent per area property owners on August 17th, two boards

488
00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:46,410
were posted on August 14th, legal ad was published in the Lakeowner Hayman's son on August

489
00:37:46,410 --> 00:37:50,690
19th, no response from the public have been received.

490
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:56,710
staff report ordinance, application, impact assessment, as well as other application documents

491
00:37:56,710 --> 00:38:05,970
are submitted and record. These are our level full reviews. LDCPS-2026-9 will be heard

492
00:38:05,970 --> 00:38:14,570
by the County Commission on October 20th. The staff report for LDCT-2026 is actually missing

493
00:38:14,570 --> 00:38:22,510
the first reading date that will get changed, but the first reading by the board will be

494
00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:29,730
on October 6th and the adoption hearing would be the same date October 20th as the CPA.

495
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:36,150
The request is consistent with the comprehensive plan on land development code and staff recommends approval.

496
00:38:37,570 --> 00:38:42,790
The subject side is located on the west side of Lake Marion, east side of Lake Marion Creek

497
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:48,730
Drive, north of Marigold Avenue, and south of Pine Street in Poincyan area.

498
00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:52,690
This is a 2023 context area.

499
00:38:53,090 --> 00:39:02,290
The side is located on the western side of Poincyanah and on the east side of Lake

500
00:39:02,290 --> 00:39:02,670
Marion.

501
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:06,290
This is a closer view of the site.

502
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:12,350
To the east of the site is the Lake Marion Creek Middle School.

503
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:18,050
South east of the site is a development called Lake Marion Golf.

504
00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:23,390
Resort, it's an attached housing and condominium development.

505
00:39:23,470 --> 00:39:26,930
Even though there's no golf, it has the name of the golf in its name.

506
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:31,490
Further south are vacant wetlands.

507
00:39:32,350 --> 00:39:33,810
This is Lake Marion.

508
00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:39,630
To the north are conservation lands purchased by Polk County.

509
00:39:40,290 --> 00:39:44,190
And we'll be opening in the near future as Bellini preserves.

510
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:52,350
There's also another tracked land vacant scrub land owned by Lake Marion preserves LLC.

511
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,980
The site highlighted in this light green is encumbered by a concept.

512
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,920
Conservation easement held by conservation Florida. Conservation Florida has been working with the applicant

513
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:16,060
on this application on access through the easement area to the area that can be developed.

514
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:25,220
A letter from Conservation Florida was included in file and they have responded that they are in agreement on the access path

515
00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:33,580
that they've decided on any future development within this area would be subject to the terms

516
00:40:33,580 --> 00:40:36,060
of the conservation easement.

517
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:44,030
This is the original plan for uses within the Coinsian or Pre-DRI.

518
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:48,370
The portion of the site, it's outlined here in yellow.

519
00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:53,950
This tan part is covered by the current conservation easement.

520
00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:55,950
It was originally planned for multifamily.

521
00:40:55,950 --> 00:41:02,570
This area, you can see in the green, was slated as open space.

522
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:09,380
This represents the existing land use.

523
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,040
This hatched, all this hatched area is the DRI.

524
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:20,180
The Lake Marion Creek mill school was changed to institutional for the school.

525
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:28,120
This ROS recreation open space is owned between state and federal agencies.

526
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:37,630
This is the, what map would look like with the land use changed.

527
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:41,990
This hatching here is not going to show up on any data viewer.

528
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:48,950
It's just for reference as to what part of it has this conservation easement on it.

529
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:56,420
Both comprehensive plan and land development code text amendments provide safe guards for

530
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:56,940
this site.

531
00:41:56,940 --> 00:42:01,660
the comprehensive plan provides for recognition of the existing conservation easement

532
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:06,840
ensuring that any potential future development applications are aware of the

533
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:26,920
in conference. The LDC text amendment, LDC-T-2026-6 provides for limitations to the allowable

534
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,740
These two tables represent the proposed allowable use for the site over here in the green.

535
00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:40,100
With the reddish table indicating the prohibited uses that are currently allowed in table 2.2.

536
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,840
These will be for the entirety of the leisure recreation site.

537
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:52,540
The picture on the left is the subject site from the eastern side of Lake Marion Creek.

538
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:59,900
picture on the right is from the subject site looking toward Lake Marion Creek Middle School.

539
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:10,850
This the Lake Marion Creek looking north and south from the site, the site is serviced

540
00:43:10,850 --> 00:43:19,130
by a full array of public services and is not anticipated to have any negative impact to

541
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:23,990
how water will provide both water and sewer for the site.

542
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:37,130
The subject to request or a feature land use map and text amendment, LDCPAS 20206-9, from DRI to

543
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:44,990
Bleisure Recreation, with compound text to reference the subject site as has development

544
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:53,230
conditions as part of land development code, text amendment, LDCT 20206-6, to appendix e-limiting

545
00:43:53,230 --> 00:43:56,630
the allowable uses within the leisure recreation district.

546
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:59,810
The combined request is the land use change

547
00:43:59,810 --> 00:44:04,170
and the related LBCT text with limitations of use

548
00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:06,710
within the site are consistent and compatible

549
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:09,270
with the comprehensive plan land development code.

550
00:44:09,610 --> 00:44:12,350
I submit this presentation for the record.

551
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:21,190
Staff recommends approval on LDCPS 2026-9 and LDCT2026-6.

552
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:26,310
these do require separate actions with that all stand for questions. Any questions for staff?

553
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:32,710
I have a question. I see bars, lounges, and taverns as an option to put across the street from

554
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:42,550
the school? They what they're proposing is a community center. So for the residents of

555
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:59,450
point Santa. So if we sort of exclude that, it may permit limit their uses. This is currently owned by the association or point Santa villages, basically their HOA entity.

556
00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:07,520
I'm just, I didn't, like, nightclubs, dance halls, bars, lounges, and taverns across from a school. I didn't know we did that.

557
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:22,240
If this is, you know, this is a community center. It gives them the ability to provide entertainment recreation uses as deemed appropriate by the association.

558
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:28,820
Is there distance requirement for, yes, yes, there are, and they would be subject to all the distance.

559
00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:32,840
I don't know if they have a hall for all of that.

560
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,860
I believe it's longer than these two parcels are apart.

561
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,180
So they'd most likely be subjected to it,

562
00:45:39,220 --> 00:45:41,640
have to go through a variance to that separation,

563
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,020
to the linear series.

564
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,180
So if they had to go through a variance,

565
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,900
I'm assuming that, and maybe wrong, correct me,

566
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,560
that you would be able to place conditions on the use to say,

567
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,500
Okay, all of this is all we want to do, you know, we don't want to do a bar or a tavern.

568
00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:07,880
We just want to be able to, I guess, serve alcohol, whatever, as part of the community,

569
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,840
so that you would be able to limit it to that if they apply for variants?

570
00:46:14,610 --> 00:46:20,430
Yes, for variants is the land use hearing officer would hear that case, and they are able

571
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:28,890
to put conditions such as time restrictions, but for our purposes, if I vote for this, I'm

572
00:46:28,890 --> 00:46:31,430
to look at people say, yes, I voted to put bars,

573
00:46:31,630 --> 00:46:33,490
taverns, lounges, and nightclubs across the street

574
00:46:33,490 --> 00:46:33,930
from a meeting.

575
00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:37,810
It's a general category that without we wouldn't be able

576
00:46:37,810 --> 00:46:40,530
to have the type of community center activities,

577
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:44,450
but there is the alcohol separation from the school.

578
00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:48,510
So by voting to approve this application,

579
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:54,190
you wouldn't be waving anything that's in the alcohol

580
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:56,550
and school-distant separation requirement.

581
00:46:57,370 --> 00:46:59,590
So, I have to come in for a variance to do that.

582
00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:00,590
Oh, are we sure?

583
00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:03,590
I mean, I don't know what the distance is.

584
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:04,330
I don't know.

585
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:07,850
I mean, it would be maybe be helpful for us to know that.

586
00:47:08,330 --> 00:47:13,610
And while you're looking that up, I'll ask if the applicant is present.

587
00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:18,010
Yes, come forward, please.

588
00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:20,010
State your name and address.

589
00:47:20,850 --> 00:47:23,050
Natalia Lensfer with KPM Franklin,

590
00:47:23,050 --> 00:47:32,270
60-300 Hazel teen national drive, sweet 18 or sweet 1-1-8, Orlando Florida, 3-2-8-2-2,

591
00:47:33,010 --> 00:47:36,630
Allison Williams is not able to be present. She is the applicant for this project.

592
00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:44,250
Okay, you, you disregard clarification. You represent a point Santa.

593
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:48,870
KPM Franklin, and then the Louisiana is the land owner correct.

594
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:49,890
Okay.

595
00:47:51,110 --> 00:48:07,800
So, you would be the one, I'm just not sure how your corporation or whatever relates to the use that's mentioned for the, um, the center.

596
00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:12,840
What's your firm retained by the property owner, um, for to represent them in this application?

597
00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:14,300
We're representing them, yes.

598
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:16,500
Okay. Okay. I got you.

599
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:17,040
I'm okay.

600
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,140
Yes.

601
00:48:19,140 --> 00:48:20,360
Do you have any questions?

602
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:21,340
So what?

603
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:26,820
No, I didn't do so many of my questions.

604
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,540
I mean, you've heard the kind of the conversation.

605
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,920
I just, I'm not a k-voting for something

606
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,900
where he's like, oh, let's put a bar across straight

607
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:37,700
from middle school.

608
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,520
Yeah, so there is no intentions of having a bar

609
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,580
by typical standards of a bar.

610
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:44,960
It is 100% a community center.

611
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:48,280
They use the intended use is to be outside of school

612
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,500
operational times as well because it is going

613
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:56,160
to be an amenity to the point, oh, sorry, the point

614
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,880
the anti-community overall, some most uses will be in the evenings

615
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,020
after school hours and or on the weekends, but no,

616
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:06,500
there's no intent to put a bar there

617
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:10,500
to strictly a community center that, and I know how badly

618
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:14,860
points the anti-community centers, I'm stuck on this one.

619
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,860
But I'm like understood, thank you.

620
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:18,120
We're good, any other questions?

621
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,140
Okay, thank you.

622
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,220
Is there anyone in the audience to speak in favor of this application, any one in opposition?

623
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:42,270
Seeing none, I'll bring this back to the commission and looking at staff to see if you have beer or 500 liquor is a thousand feet.

624
00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:44,870
Okay, I don't have a measurement.

625
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:50,730
I don't have a measurement tool here to come up with that.

626
00:49:50,850 --> 00:49:52,710
I don't have anybody else.

627
00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:56,150
It looks like Shonda might be working on getting a measurement.

628
00:49:57,150 --> 00:49:58,930
Are we able to pull it up on Google Maps?

629
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:12,010
I'll call a separation rules for just change and it's not been put in the meeting code yet, so the range is correct. You know, the measurement is be property line, a property line. I believe it's doorstep, the doorstep is for clarity. I think she's looking up here.

630
00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:19,040
And again, they're going to have to file for a variance if they want to have a bar or a nightclub. That's correct.

631
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,700
If they're within right that distance.

632
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:29,940
Correct. If we, if we, if we exclude it and anything is deemed that would be that, they can't get a variance to get it.

633
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:33,840
Because we've prohibited it. It gives them the flexibility.

634
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:39,040
But if they, if they had a community center and they wanted to serve,

635
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,700
alcoholic beverages, they would have to get a variance. If there was in the distance.

636
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:44,780
Yes, sir.

637
00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:53,260
It looks like it's over a thousand feet just on their property between where I'm estimating their door entrance would be to their property line.

638
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,460
So you're able to recommend changes to the text by the way.

639
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,420
I mean, you don't have to adopt it as presented.

640
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,500
Are you able to make a motion just for community center?

641
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:16,040
Well, it's for the request, no, you couldn't limit it to just the community center.

642
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:21,960
The request is to, as I understand, correct me if I'm wrong or if staff is to amend the

643
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,320
future land use of the conference plan for leisure recreation.

644
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:34,200
That is the CPS-2026-99, I believe it's the number, yes, nine.

645
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:48,200
That is the land use change, LDCT-2026-6, the second one within that ordinance is where we have the

646
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:58,840
strike throughs the prohibited items. It's on page, this allowable and prohibited uses

647
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:07,920
on page 385 of your packet of what is allowed and prohibited. Nothing was shown to

648
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:14,580
say in as if to make a change if you're wanting to exclude something, is that type of

649
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:16,760
that we're among staying correctly, Shanda?

650
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:19,520
Yeah, that's where.

651
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:24,840
So it would be possible to recommend striking any of the uses

652
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,760
that are listed in the text amendment as allowable.

653
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:37,540
As allowable, within this particular leisure recreation district.

654
00:52:38,260 --> 00:52:38,980
Yes.

655
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,260
Can you pull up the screen where you have the uses?

656
00:52:58,530 --> 00:53:06,550
So if we got rid of the idea of a true bar lounge or tavern, and it wouldn't preclude

657
00:53:06,550 --> 00:53:13,190
a restaurant from serving beer wine or liquor, but they wouldn't need to apply because

658
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:15,990
there were a thousand feet out as a restaurant, correct?

659
00:53:17,230 --> 00:53:22,890
Okay, and the night clubs and dance halls, I mean, that's not, I said that, but you

660
00:53:22,890 --> 00:53:29,090
I'm going to have a teen dance hall in there, you know, I don't know, bars, lounges, and taverns

661
00:53:29,090 --> 00:53:34,110
directly across the street from a school for me as a hard thing to say yes to.

662
00:53:38,260 --> 00:53:43,120
Essentially, another option could also be a condition that the sale of alcohol can only occur

663
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,680
as accessory to events posted and conducted on any of the facilities on site.

664
00:53:50,830 --> 00:53:52,350
So it narrows

665
00:53:52,350 --> 00:53:58,490
help, but I don't know if the condition is a map amendment though or I jack a map for the

666
00:53:58,490 --> 00:54:03,250
text. It'd be something you'd put in the lendable and the code text amendment in the text amendment only.

667
00:54:03,730 --> 00:54:04,290
Yes. OK.

668
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:04,950
Yes.

669
00:54:05,410 --> 00:54:05,590
Gotcha.

670
00:54:06,510 --> 00:54:06,670
OK.

671
00:54:07,070 --> 00:54:07,990
Thank you.

672
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:09,170
OK.

673
00:54:10,070 --> 00:54:16,470
So the first motion we need is whether or not to approve the land use change.

674
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:19,150
Which is LBCKS case.

675
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:19,610
Yes.

676
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:28,050
And then, in the text of them, we can make a change to fill ourable uses.

677
00:54:28,450 --> 00:54:30,070
Could make a change to the text?

678
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:30,730
Yes.

679
00:54:30,730 --> 00:54:31,650
That's in that ordinance.

680
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:35,750
So, do you have a motion on the conference of plan amendment?

681
00:54:53,770 --> 00:54:59,970
Again, the conference of plan amendment is a map amendment and a text because the text of the conference of plan amendment.

682
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:15,500
That there's an appendix in the conference of plan that says cases that have conditions in land development code. We have to list those out, and that's. So this is not just a map amendment. It's a text amendment, stating that this case, this property has conditions in appendix e the land development code.

683
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:21,290
I'm sorry.

684
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:45,730
We need to approve the land use of MIMA, so it has the leisure wreck designation, and then approve the text amendment, which could include a change to the allowable uses that would apply to the land use designation that was just previously approved.

685
00:55:52,020 --> 00:56:00,320
It's a different way of doing conditions, but because it's a conference appointment, it's not straightforward, like a conditionally used like a plane developed.

686
00:56:02,020 --> 00:56:18,340
So the board, if it was their pleasure, could have a motion to approve the application with a change to the, because you're saying there's a text component of this of the K of LDCPA S2026-9.

687
00:56:20,770 --> 00:56:26,410
Right? Yes, and that text is just saying that this case has conditions of approval in the

688
00:56:26,410 --> 00:56:32,410
land development code. That establishes the authority to place the conditions, if you

689
00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:37,470
will. That's what that text is for. That's what the text is for. So that text does not get

690
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:47,130
into the prohibited and permitted uses that is in this next case. So by approving, if the board

691
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:56,570
decided to approve this case, they would not be approving the proposed allowable uses and proposed prohibited uses that will come in the next case.

692
00:56:57,130 --> 00:57:06,110
So let me take a liberty of asking the applicant and maybe this is unfair to put you on a spot like this.

693
00:57:06,110 --> 00:57:18,050
Would your, uh, do you think your client would be opposed to removing the use of bars, lounges and taverns as an allowable use?

694
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:27,930
I do not know for sure. If they're still able to serve alcohol outside of that zone, being that if it were considered a restaurant, I guess we could.

695
00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:32,350
Right. I don't think they would be, but again, I don't know we have not had that specific conversation.

696
00:57:32,350 --> 00:57:34,910
I anticipate that was your answer.

697
00:57:35,610 --> 00:57:44,130
And then the restaurant would have to have food, I think, is that going to be the, and so one of the suggestions by staff was rather than remove that use.

698
00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:46,290
And again, this is for the next case, just to clarify.

699
00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:52,370
But rather than remove that use, there could be conditions placed on that use now.

700
00:57:53,450 --> 00:58:01,390
Similar to if it were within the separation distance requirement, like a land use hearing officer may place conditions.

701
00:58:02,790 --> 00:58:08,390
this commission could do that as well. But again, her the next case.

702
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:10,170
Okay.

703
00:58:15,090 --> 00:58:20,570
Any more questions or do I have a motion for this for the approval of the land use?

704
00:58:20,890 --> 00:58:30,370
Mr. Chair, I moved to approve LDC PAS-2026-9. Did you call for the public hearing?

705
00:58:30,970 --> 00:58:31,530
Commissioner Bishop.

706
00:58:31,530 --> 00:58:33,850
Thank you.

707
00:58:33,850 --> 00:58:33,970
Thank you.

708
00:58:33,970 --> 00:58:34,950
I don't think we can check.

709
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:35,830
We're good.

710
00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:37,230
I just want to ask again.

711
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:38,710
Well, I'll ask you.

712
00:58:38,850 --> 00:58:42,770
Is anyone in the audience to speak for or against this request?

713
00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:46,450
Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the commission.

714
00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:48,810
We have a motion to approve.

715
00:58:49,350 --> 00:58:50,250
I'm looking for a second.

716
00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:52,390
Steady Jenna Mossos.

717
00:58:53,050 --> 00:58:53,310
Okay.

718
00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:55,150
Motion to approve.

719
00:58:55,610 --> 00:58:56,210
And second.

720
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:57,510
Roll call please.

721
00:58:57,930 --> 00:58:59,530
Angel Sims for the motion.

722
00:58:59,890 --> 00:59:00,410
Kevin update.

723
00:59:00,410 --> 00:59:01,090
for the motion.

724
00:59:01,470 --> 00:59:02,770
Chad Barron for the motion.

725
00:59:02,890 --> 00:59:04,170
Brooke Agneaney for the motion.

726
00:59:04,410 --> 00:59:05,670
Moral Bishop for the motion.

727
00:59:05,810 --> 00:59:07,470
Cindy Jennam also for the motion.

728
00:59:07,930 --> 00:59:08,510
Shane B.

729
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:09,570
For the motion.

730
00:59:13,170 --> 00:59:13,730
Okay.

731
00:59:14,290 --> 00:59:23,010
Next we need to consider approval of the text agreement, which includes the proposed allowable uses

732
00:59:23,010 --> 00:59:29,050
within the leisure recreation that we just have recommended approval of.

733
00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:32,220
Okay.

734
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:33,480
Here's where I'm at.

735
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:39,300
I'm not going to vote, yes, on something that could eventually put a full on bar

736
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:41,160
across the street from a school.

737
00:59:41,860 --> 00:59:42,200
So, sorry.

738
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:51,240
Well, you make a vote, then I would suggest I'll defer to the attorney here.

739
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:59,780
But I would suggest then we make a motion with the additional of striking.

740
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:07,340
Bars, lounges and taverns from the table of proposed allowable uses,

741
01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:12,200
correct?

742
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:24,380
So, if that is the, if that is what the maker of the motion would like to do, then that's my suggestion.

743
01:00:25,220 --> 01:00:31,200
And we vote on a motion that would strike that use as allowable use.

744
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,060
I will move for that so that just to clarify the motion is to approve the application,

745
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:43,760
but by also striking the use of bars, lounges, and taverns from the acceptable use.

746
01:00:45,260 --> 01:00:50,140
Let me before we go there, let me ask staff to just for clarification.

747
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:57,740
So they would still be able to do liquor sales as part of a restaurant, just like any restaurant would be able to do.

748
01:00:57,740 --> 01:01:01,540
but they wouldn't have, they wouldn't be able to have a stand alone bar.

749
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,380
Correct. You can just make the alcohol use an accessory to the community center.

750
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:15,520
Well, I'm not, I'm not familiar with all of the alcohol permits you get because we don't

751
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:20,840
issue those, but I think there's ways of certain permits you get when it's related to an event.

752
01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:25,520
That's how some of our event facilities in the rural part of the county are going to

753
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,000
the county commission, right, for consideration.

754
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:33,020
So that could be our recommendation if that's a problem.

755
01:01:33,180 --> 01:01:35,980
I'm just suggesting it's a problem for the applicant

756
01:01:35,980 --> 01:01:38,860
that they can make that appeal to the board of county commission

757
01:01:38,860 --> 01:01:43,620
and says, look, we really want to have a bar as part of our use.

758
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:47,300
But our recommendation would exclude that.

759
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,120
If that's the maker of the motion, then it's approved.

760
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,740
Yes, so I move to approve.

761
01:01:57,740 --> 01:02:00,000
I've got to look at the number. Where is it?

762
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,600
Huh? I lost it.

763
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:04,510
Elixir.

764
01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:14,570
LDC-D 2026-6 with the striking of the potential use of bars taverns and

765
01:02:14,570 --> 01:02:16,070
night-night clips.

766
01:02:17,950 --> 01:02:19,870
I have a motion to over-second.

767
01:02:21,130 --> 01:02:21,910
Jane Beren second?

768
01:02:22,990 --> 01:02:25,470
It's bars lounges and taverns just to be clear night.

769
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:25,870
Thank you.

770
01:02:26,190 --> 01:02:26,630
Thank you.

771
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:27,090
All right.

772
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:28,730
Rule number is.

773
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:34,450
Angel Sems for the motion, Kevin update, Chad Baron for the motion for a

774
01:02:34,450 --> 01:02:39,870
technique, Merle Bishop, Cindy Janamoso for the motion, Shane B.

775
01:02:40,530 --> 01:02:42,110
For the motion. Motion passes.

776
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:44,790
Thank you. Thank you.

777
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:53,740
Did you understand what I said? I mean, if that's a problem for your client, then they still have an opportunity to

778
01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:56,400
stake their case to the Board of Commissioners.

779
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,140
Yeah, I don't think they have intentions of any barcode.

780
01:02:59,660 --> 01:03:00,480
Oh, thank you.

781
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:01,180
I hope not.

782
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:02,820
So, but anyway.

783
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:04,180
Yeah.

784
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:05,160
Right, right.

785
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:08,700
Okay, next case.

786
01:03:09,020 --> 01:03:11,620
Next two cases will be presented together.

787
01:03:11,940 --> 01:03:17,180
LDCPS-2026-6 and LDCT-2026-13.

788
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,300
Related to LW's Main Street corridor and Mark Bennett is the case planner.

789
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:28,160
Mr. Chairman moved to Acts, but I have a motion to

790
01:03:28,940 --> 01:03:38,740
I'll ask is there anyone in the audience to speak on favor or in opposition to this case in L.O.A

791
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,000
.s.

792
01:03:42,020 --> 01:03:50,780
Seeing none, it does qualify for an expedited procedure to have a second to expedite.

793
01:03:50,780 --> 01:03:52,440
Cindy Janamosa's second.

794
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,500
All in favor of seeing what I've to say tonight.

795
01:03:55,860 --> 01:03:56,200
Okay.

796
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:56,780
Well, I'll explain.

797
01:03:57,460 --> 01:03:57,940
Okay.

798
01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:59,300
You didn't expect that, did you?

799
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,040
I've worked on this thing for over a year.

800
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:03,400
I'm so long.

801
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:05,020
I'm so long to present this.

802
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:07,580
So now it's six minutes.

803
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,840
I will give a brief summary of what's going on here.

804
01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:14,080
The first slide here explains our news requirements.

805
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:19,280
We are submitting to the record to staff report application, impact assessment statement

806
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,520
And this slides,

807
01:04:24,260 --> 01:04:29,260
the small scale conference plan amendment is a level, well both actions are a level four review.

808
01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:33,280
The map amendment will be heard on October 6th.

809
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:46,340
The first reading of the text amendment will be on the 15th and then the second reading and adoption would be on October 6th of the text amendment.

810
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:53,700
This map shows location of Eloise, you can see in the blue there, the just of the change,

811
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:59,040
just the change, just under choice to click or some residential low, to Main Street corridor,

812
01:04:59,740 --> 01:04:59,960
Community Act.

813
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:17,040
Activity Senate and Institutional plus teams to text of the comprehensive plan. And then the LDC text amendment is to establish permit, conditional prohibited uses in the proposed mainstream court or an additional development standards.

814
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:19,660
Here's the site,

815
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:44,180
this is current, this is proposed, CAC institutional, the institutional is proposed to recognize and organization knows the freedom tour, which provide social services and assist accounting and disaster relief.

816
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:51,720
The west of the designation was proposed as a Main Street corridor to reflect, you know,

817
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:58,900
and exceeding a lot for redevelopment activities long, slightly avenue, you know, as soon

818
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:00,400
through these real quick.

819
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,080
Eloise is in a CRA.

820
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:12,180
We'd have a lot of community engagement on this project, various maps, but you'll see what

821
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:21,610
final result is the text amendment outlines the proposed permit and conditional uses and

822
01:06:21,610 --> 01:06:25,690
additional development standards for multi-family as certain designer,

823
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:27,570
requirements, and signage limitations.

824
01:06:34,850 --> 01:06:39,910
Impact assessment because it's a redeveloped area.

825
01:06:40,590 --> 01:06:43,970
I really want to anticipate a new additional impacts.

826
01:06:45,490 --> 01:06:51,330
Justification for approval, the proposed institutional community activity center, designations,

827
01:06:51,590 --> 01:06:57,930
reflect existing uses, mainstream corridor allows for a change in uses, provide potential

828
01:06:57,930 --> 01:07:01,210
entitlements for property owners to redevelop their property.

829
01:07:01,930 --> 01:07:06,810
These uses are compatible and the request is consistent with the comprehensive plan.

830
01:07:07,030 --> 01:07:08,230
And I'll stand for any questions.

831
01:07:08,570 --> 01:07:09,210
Thank you.

832
01:07:09,450 --> 01:07:09,930
Any questions?

833
01:07:09,930 --> 01:07:19,150
down. So, this is county initiated. Yes. So, I asked previously, but the buttons of caution

834
01:07:19,150 --> 01:07:25,250
and I'll ask again, anyone in the audience to speak in favor or in opposition to this.

835
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:31,090
Seeing none, there's a commission have any discussion or a motion.

836
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:37,310
Be brief, be going. That's what I wanted to do.

837
01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:51,580
move to approve LDCPAS 2026-6 and it's entirety.

838
01:07:51,980 --> 01:07:53,020
Shall I have Aaron second?

839
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:59,580
Motion second to approve roll call please Angel Sims for the motion Kevin update for the

840
01:07:59,580 --> 01:08:12,760
motion Chad Baron for the motion Brooke Agnini Murrow Bishop for the motion Cindy

841
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:23,520
case is the text amendment. Anything to add? Okay, again, anyone's speaking favorite

842
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,380
opposition to the text amendment? See none? Do I have a motion?

843
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:36,620
Do we need a motion next? But I, this one as well. Are you presented them together, so I guess?

844
01:08:38,020 --> 01:08:44,120
Okay. Mr. Chairman, maybe we'll be able to improve LDCT 2026-13 and it's in 30.

845
01:08:45,660 --> 01:08:46,660
Angel Sim 2.

846
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:48,280
Progoplage.

847
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:49,720
Angel Sims.

848
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:50,740
For the motion.

849
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,180
Kevin update.

850
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:53,000
For the motion.

851
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:53,820
Chad Barron.

852
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:54,580
For the motion.

853
01:08:54,820 --> 01:08:55,500
For the motion.

854
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:56,220
For the motion.

855
01:08:57,980 --> 01:08:58,760
Cindy Jennamosso.

856
01:08:58,940 --> 01:08:59,540
For the motion.

857
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:00,140
Shane B.

858
01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:00,900
For the motion.

859
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:01,880
Motion passes.

860
01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:03,440
Thank you.

861
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:04,720
Next.

862
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:12,680
Next to cases again will be presented by Mark Bennett, the case planner, and that is LDCPL-2025-7,

863
01:09:13,140 --> 01:09:15,360
and LDCT-2025-15.

864
01:09:18,260 --> 01:09:19,020
Okay, good morning.

865
01:09:20,180 --> 01:09:23,260
Hold on, we got a lot to cover with these two cases here.

866
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:24,240
So,

867
01:09:27,290 --> 01:09:31,750
the original request, well first of all, let me go through the notice items here.

868
01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:42,530
49 maillers were sent out on July 17 and then the same number of maillers were also sent out on August 17.

869
01:09:44,270 --> 01:09:47,830
Given the large size of the site, we had to put a lot of boards out.

870
01:09:48,330 --> 01:09:51,270
So 29 boards were posted in July.

871
01:09:51,270 --> 01:09:58,850
And I work knowledge, the help of the staff, Shonda Tyler.

872
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,740
Reliea, Robert, and Kyle all help put Boyd's out.

873
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:11,680
So thank you. Legal ads were published in the Lakeland winner Hayman Sun on July 21st and August 17.

874
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,580
These are requests were continued at the last planning commission meeting.

875
01:10:17,940 --> 01:10:24,940
As far as response from the public, we did get a petition against with 536 signatures,

876
01:10:24,940 --> 01:10:26,260
There's 13 emails,

877
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,840
one email, right, of support and two expressing concerns.

878
01:10:33,540 --> 01:10:34,820
Staff recommends approval.

879
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:41,140
We're submitting to the record staff report, application, impact assessment, and these slides.

880
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:54,920
These cases are a level four review, and they will be presented before the Board of

881
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,380
and the middle hearing for the conference, a plan amendment.

882
01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:02,500
So I'll have you look at the blue box here.

883
01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:07,360
The request originally contains numerous changes.

884
01:11:09,020 --> 01:11:10,920
And I'll go through them here.

885
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:14,500
The first change was to change the development area

886
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:18,460
for rural to suburban development area.

887
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,920
And then to change property that was designated

888
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:28,860
It fast-feet mining agricultural residential rural, some industrial, and some leisure recreation.

889
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:41,440
The original change was to change it to rural cluster center, 15 acres, at the 640 and 37

890
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:44,480
intersection, basically a commercial node.

891
01:11:45,620 --> 01:11:52,540
Change 1200 acres to residential suburban, generally located on the western half of the property.

892
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:57,600
And then industrial on the eastern half, 1261 acres.

893
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:05,540
The Comprehensive Plan Amendment also proposed text that made reference to the land

894
01:12:05,540 --> 01:12:20,440
development code, which was the purpose of LDCT 2025-15, that text proposed activity center plan for

895
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:27,020
the rule cluster center, and the establishment of a buffer area between the proposed industrial

896
01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:28,480
and the proposed residential.

897
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:35,180
The reason why it struck out, as you see there in the blue,

898
01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:44,200
is that we did receive a modified request from the applicant, just about two weeks before

899
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:50,340
the hearing. The applicant requested the following, and we see it there in the bullet points.

900
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:54,500
One, remove the residential suburban request.

901
01:12:55,540 --> 01:12:59,940
Two, remove the suburban development area designation.

902
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,940
Three, remove the rural cluster center proposal at the intersection,

903
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:12,400
and correspondingly the activity center plan for that center.

904
01:13:14,490 --> 01:13:18,990
What that would mean then is that the request before you now

905
01:13:18,990 --> 01:13:29,170
is only for the proposed 1261 acres of industrial that is generally located at the eastern

906
01:13:29,170 --> 01:13:37,690
part of the site. So let me say that again. The modified request from the applicant is now only

907
01:13:37,690 --> 01:13:42,510
for the industrial on the eastern portion of the site.

908
01:13:43,890 --> 01:13:52,350
That's good. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but that does not involve a development area change.

909
01:13:52,730 --> 01:13:54,890
It's correct. Correct.

910
01:13:55,810 --> 01:14:00,850
It doesn't require, I guess, what I should say, it doesn't require a development area change.

911
01:14:01,330 --> 01:14:06,550
Yeah, the applicant is withdrawing the request at the suburban development area.

912
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:13,350
So you see, bold number five there, the text amendment is no longer needed.

913
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:22,430
The purpose of the text amendment was to implement additional standards in the residential area,

914
01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:29,330
which is now been withdrawn, and to implement an activity center plan, which is now being withdrawn.

915
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:41,310
So, by line up front, we don't need to hear LDCT 2025-15 and I'll look to Council and say, does

916
01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:46,450
the board need to take form of action to withdraw or is that just understood?

917
01:14:48,030 --> 01:14:49,410
I apologize for putting on the spot there.

918
01:14:49,450 --> 01:14:50,290
No, that's fine.

919
01:14:51,670 --> 01:14:52,770
So number 10.

920
01:14:54,130 --> 01:14:55,250
Number 10.

921
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:59,970
No, number eight, number eight, item eight.

922
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:15,780
The case number is LDCT, 2025-15. That's the text amendment to implement certain provisions that were proposed as far as the MEMS crossing project.

923
01:15:16,180 --> 01:15:24,120
So to leave answer a question, to leave nothing to the chance when we get to that item.

924
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:28,240
Okay. We can hear a motion to accept the withdrawal.

925
01:15:29,020 --> 01:15:31,220
Okay. But right now we're considering the first.

926
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:32,680
Okay. Okay.

927
01:15:33,980 --> 01:15:38,360
The last bullet point there is something that I want to emphasize.

928
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:46,960
The 54 page staff report you got reflects the original full proposal.

929
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:51,720
The full proposal being the residential, the commercial, the industrial,

930
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:54,100
the

931
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:56,060
and all the proposed text changes.

932
01:15:58,450 --> 01:16:01,770
The request now, again, and I keep saying,

933
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:03,330
it's a world crystal clear on this.

934
01:16:03,550 --> 01:16:07,730
The request now is just for industrial only.

935
01:16:08,490 --> 01:16:12,410
1261 acres, generally located on the eastern half

936
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:15,090
of the property and some of it is south of 640 also.

937
01:16:18,370 --> 01:16:24,050
So with that, I will go through my amended modified

938
01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:26,050
presentation here.

939
01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:30,190
Let me ask before you do you do that.

940
01:16:30,270 --> 01:16:34,830
Let me ask if there are any questions from the commission.

941
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:36,670
So where we are now?

942
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:44,510
I will kind of just add because this is a level four and it will go before the Board of County Commissioners.

943
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:54,030
Regardless of what the recommendation is from the Planning Commission, the staff report will be updated prior to the hearing before the

944
01:16:54,030 --> 01:17:00,650
the first year before the Board of County Commissioners to remove, to about to provide staff

945
01:17:00,650 --> 01:17:03,370
analysis to the modified application.

946
01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:10,510
And, and, and yeah, I want to specifically mention that the staff report in front of you now,

947
01:17:11,310 --> 01:17:18,870
again, one doesn't reflect the change and we have not been able to do an analysis of only

948
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:23,510
the change. So I think the board needs to decide whether or not they're comfortable

949
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:28,810
with proceeding based on the fact that you don't have a complete inaccurate staff.

950
01:17:28,810 --> 01:17:33,970
Let me ask this. Does that change your recommendation to us?

951
01:17:34,530 --> 01:17:44,050
No. And if you think about the effect of the request is that there is less impact

952
01:17:44,050 --> 01:17:49,470
impact because there's no more commercial proposed, no more residential proposed.

953
01:17:50,330 --> 01:17:57,890
So, presumably, and we don't have the hard numbers, but presumably the impact on public

954
01:17:57,890 --> 01:18:03,130
service facilities, except there will be less because the size has been reduced and the

955
01:18:03,130 --> 01:18:04,770
mixture of uses has been eliminated.

956
01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:12,130
And I want to offer something, too, that we got the request at a time frame that it was not

957
01:18:12,130 --> 01:18:19,050
possible to provide you an ethically responsible staff report, based on the timing that we have

958
01:18:19,050 --> 01:18:20,450
to turn these things around.

959
01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:24,430
It's not reflected in the land development code of some kind of, there's some cutoffs,

960
01:18:24,770 --> 01:18:28,610
but if there's a change, it doesn't say if the applicant makes a change prior to the planning

961
01:18:28,610 --> 01:18:31,410
commission hearing, it's got to be done in so many days prior, it doesn't say that.

962
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:38,890
But we felt that it wouldn't have been an appropriate staff report that would have been

963
01:18:38,890 --> 01:18:40,150
that it would have met our standards.

964
01:18:41,070 --> 01:18:45,510
Normally, if it's a few months prior, we would have said, well, you can't go forward because

965
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:46,870
your application is not sufficient.

966
01:18:47,470 --> 01:18:49,650
It doesn't reflect everything that you're making a request for.

967
01:18:50,110 --> 01:18:53,090
But it happens frequently that applicants make changes at the last minute.

968
01:18:53,670 --> 01:18:56,510
So that's why we're kind of in this awkward position.

969
01:18:57,250 --> 01:18:59,590
So let me ask this.

970
01:19:02,350 --> 01:19:04,770
Why wouldn't this have recommend it, continuous?

971
01:19:06,450 --> 01:19:11,530
The applicant did request that we hear that the planning commission here at the case today.

972
01:19:11,530 --> 01:19:14,150
So staff is trying to accommodate that request,

973
01:19:14,410 --> 01:19:15,390
but is that the planning commission?

974
01:19:15,490 --> 01:19:16,490
I did this question.

975
01:19:16,770 --> 01:19:17,130
I did answer.

976
01:19:17,770 --> 01:19:18,790
Thank you.

977
01:19:19,070 --> 01:19:19,330
OK.

978
01:19:20,970 --> 01:19:23,870
Question is everything in here relevant

979
01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:25,730
to what we're now talking about today?

980
01:19:26,010 --> 01:19:28,890
Often defer the applicants since he provided that.

981
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:30,130
Wait, this is.

982
01:19:30,130 --> 01:19:32,190
This is a variety from the applicant.

983
01:19:32,690 --> 01:19:35,290
And also we would need to make sure any opposition

984
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:37,490
gets the copy, but the applicant would

985
01:19:37,490 --> 01:19:38,630
be able to speak to this.

986
01:19:38,710 --> 01:19:38,950
OK.

987
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:43,930
Yeah, I would say you didn't proceed unless there's any.

988
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:50,290
This feels pretty convoluted to me, especially with so many people invested in this

989
01:19:50,290 --> 01:19:58,550
in so much public interest and interaction, it's just pretty convoluted at this point to

990
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:58,890
me.

991
01:19:59,310 --> 01:19:59,970
But maybe I can-

992
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:09,060
I can get more of it if it keeps going. I don't want to get ahead of ourselves or myself here. But did

993
01:20:09,060 --> 01:20:15,740
the, you said it was a petition of opposition, right?

994
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:21,160
Just to go in order, I want to make sure. So if there's a thought that the board may want to continue the case,

995
01:20:21,340 --> 01:20:28,900
we should address that issue first before we get into the merits and opposition to the substantive portions of the

996
01:20:29,860 --> 01:20:34,680
but the board may, if there's a thought that the board may want to consider a

997
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:39,000
continuity may also want to ask the applicant to have they feel about that.

998
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,900
How was the petition? Was the petition, did it have a statement on the petition?

999
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,720
I didn't see the petition, so I didn't see any answer that.

1000
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,400
What would could you tell us what the statement is?

1001
01:20:56,250 --> 01:21:01,350
I just wanted it to stay most specifically addressed the requested industrial

1002
01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:13,070
or the uses? I mean, I want to know, what were they, did they express their opposition to a certain aspect of this, or was it just, we're opposed to all of this?

1003
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,220
So, I do want to reiterate that if there's an,

1004
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:33,000
if there was going to be a motion to continue, that should be addressed before we get to the merits of the case.

1005
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,900
I think. Hi, Jim, I'm also.

1006
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:40,620
Well, now I'm always going to go with the questions, but if we have to do that first, I had a question from Mark on the one.

1007
01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:46,520
And if there is no desire of the board to continue, I'm not suggesting that.

1008
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,320
I just wanted to make sure that we address each matter.

1009
01:21:50,860 --> 01:21:52,500
He's not finished with his presentation.

1010
01:21:53,220 --> 01:22:00,720
And I'm the one who started this line of discussion, I guess, because I interrupted him.

1011
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:04,420
We're trying to apologize for, but I just, for clarification.

1012
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:15,840
Now, before you go to foredown the road with us and the complexity of this project necessitates the need for everyone to be clear as to what exactly has changed and what exactly is going on.

1013
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:24,800
And the clarify again, what is now being proposed is a change from phosphate mining to industrial.

1014
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:26,000
How?

1015
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:32,720
Let me ask, maybe you can't really answer it, but how involved is your presentation?

1016
01:22:34,060 --> 01:22:38,820
Well, I've got rid of lost lines because we don't need to discuss the text amount anymore.

1017
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,280
So it's reduced by about it.

1018
01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:46,340
While we're waiting, I would say, let's just in the interest of time, go ahead and proceed with your presentation.

1019
01:22:46,540 --> 01:22:46,700
Okay.

1020
01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:52,180
I'm waiting on the answer to the question about the petition.

1021
01:22:52,900 --> 01:22:55,900
Yeah, okay, so go ahead. Here we go.

1022
01:22:59,750 --> 01:23:06,850
Okay, I already briefed this slide. The location of the site you see on the map on the lower left. It's generally located south of Mulberry.

1023
01:23:08,690 --> 01:23:15,690
The aerial photo on the right again encompasses the entire roughly 2500 acre site.

1024
01:23:15,690 --> 01:23:21,650
This is a better picture that shows the location, south of Mulberry.

1025
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:24,010
State Route 37 is here.

1026
01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:25,690
County Route 640.

1027
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:29,770
Unincorporate community of Pinedale is here.

1028
01:23:30,210 --> 01:23:32,790
Anderson Road is located here as reference points.

1029
01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:37,610
I'm going to show some aerial photos here.

1030
01:23:39,730 --> 01:23:44,170
The large size of the site makes it hard to show everything.

1031
01:23:44,170 --> 01:23:50,430
But you can get an idea of flavor if you will of what the site looks like

1032
01:23:53,850 --> 01:23:56,980
and then the narrative at the bottom of the slide shows the direction and

1033
01:23:58,610 --> 01:24:00,190
What's looking at?

1034
01:24:12,660 --> 01:24:13,930
Okay, and again, this is

1035
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,880
the same photo from before

1036
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,260
join the location of the site

1037
01:24:22,290 --> 01:24:23,510
This is the existing

1038
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:28,830
and just to clarify again, this is not proposed for change, it will remain in a rural

1039
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:29,750
development area.

1040
01:24:32,860 --> 01:24:40,540
This is the current land use map. It shows the property as phosphate

1041
01:24:40,540 --> 01:24:41,060
mining.

1042
01:24:45,980 --> 01:24:51,440
The four squares here were to show the rural cluster center, but that's now off

1043
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:51,780
the table.

1044
01:24:54,450 --> 01:24:58,370
Here's the proposed change to the land use map.

1045
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:06,840
I want to focus first on the proposed change to industrial because now that's the one item that's up for consideration.

1046
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:25,160
It's shown in the purple. This area here and this area here, along with a small strip here, these are the areas that are proposed to change from phosphate mining to industrial.

1047
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:25,760
So,

1048
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:35,340
the original proposal was to change this from phosphate mining to residential suburban,

1049
01:25:35,620 --> 01:25:38,240
but that's off the table, that's no longer valid.

1050
01:25:39,140 --> 01:25:48,460
So, to summarize, the proposed change now is to consider the area in purple, here, here,

1051
01:25:48,780 --> 01:25:53,660
and then also a separate smaller parcel here from phosphate mining to industrial.

1052
01:25:53,980 --> 01:25:56,520
That's the proposed change as it stands today.

1053
01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:07,580
I put this slide in originally, if you notice, the case file numbers had 2025 on them.

1054
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,640
That's because we originally received this request.

1055
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,520
This is officially submitted, I think, in June last year.

1056
01:26:16,820 --> 01:26:19,340
The request was much larger in size and scale,

1057
01:26:19,340 --> 01:26:27,480
50, 400 acres, 18,000 units, two main square feet commercial, 700,000 square feet of office.

1058
01:26:30,100 --> 01:26:35,820
And with the original proposal this would have been the third largest city in the kind of

1059
01:26:35,820 --> 01:26:37,980
population nearly 50,000.

1060
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:43,520
There was a lot of issues with this site, I won't go through the list, the largest one was

1061
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,440
utilities, IE provision of water and sewer.

1062
01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:57,050
So, go back to that. Show us on that map generally where we are now by where we mean by where we are.

1063
01:26:57,050 --> 01:27:02,610
Where this request is in relation to this much larger development proposal.

1064
01:27:04,570 --> 01:27:17,540
At the, yeah, the area that's only proposed for industrial, the 1261 acres of industrial is generally, generally located here.

1065
01:27:17,540 --> 01:27:24,300
Okay, here and again a little bit okay, so that was the original proposal.

1066
01:27:26,540 --> 01:27:32,060
The modified proposal that was submitted about the beginning of the year.

1067
01:27:32,340 --> 01:27:41,040
Again, reduced it from 5,500 to about 2500 acres, dropped the number of residential down

1068
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:48,860
to 240 per mid by right with the potential for more up to 3,600 to a suburban plan development.

1069
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,740
And a lot of other changes that we don't need to go through.

1070
01:27:52,820 --> 01:27:54,740
The main issue all along was you told these,

1071
01:27:54,740 --> 01:27:56,440
how is the water sewer going to be provided?

1072
01:27:56,940 --> 01:27:59,780
The applicant has demonstrated that they had

1073
01:27:59,780 --> 01:28:00,800
some water capacity.

1074
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,480
That's why we're seeing with a recommendation of approval

1075
01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:09,620
for the suburban development area and the residential suburban

1076
01:28:09,620 --> 01:28:10,180
land use.

1077
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,780
However, again, that's off the table now.

1078
01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:16,100
In fact, assessment,

1079
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:22,240
schools, because the residential is no longer being considered to

1080
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,180
schools, schools would not be impacted.

1081
01:28:26,220 --> 01:28:33,740
Likewise, we're part presumably a lesser impact on public safety due to the removal

1082
01:28:33,740 --> 01:28:34,580
of the residential.

1083
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:42,940
Water and sewer are not required as it will stay in the rural development area.

1084
01:28:44,700 --> 01:28:45,380
Transportation,

1085
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:50,520
the project as reviewed was going to have a significant impact.

1086
01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:58,260
I can't tell you what the impact will be of just the industrial, again, smaller project

1087
01:28:58,260 --> 01:29:01,580
lesser impact, presumably on the road network.

1088
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:10,360
Environmental, these numbers reflect the entire site, and I do believe that there is still

1089
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:15,840
some floodplains and wetlands on the industrial portion of site, those would be addressed

1090
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,340
of course as part of any site kind of you.

1091
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:29,460
So, just for occasion for approval, I'll focus on just the first bullet because that's

1092
01:29:29,460 --> 01:29:33,360
the only item on the table now that being the change from phosphate mine to industrial.

1093
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:43,460
We consider it appropriate because there are industrial uses and designations already located

1094
01:29:43,460 --> 01:29:45,540
along state road 37.

1095
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:50,420
Bear with me while I go through and go back to the map here.

1096
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,000
This is the existing land use map.

1097
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,220
This is the proposed land use map.

1098
01:29:55,220 --> 01:29:59,980
You see a lot of purple here, which reflects the industrial and then.

1099
01:30:01,940 --> 01:30:14,080
Delight or purple reflects business parks under which is a light industrial. Likewise, there's existing industrial designations here next to what is proposed for industrial here.

1100
01:30:15,020 --> 01:30:28,780
So, because there's existing industrial designations and or uses, especially along state rule 37, and in particular, this property in here is not included in the request, but it's also industrial.

1101
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:35,820
So, I'm going back to the justification, because they're existing industrial uses of locate

1102
01:30:35,820 --> 01:30:36,640
long 307.

1103
01:30:36,900 --> 01:30:41,200
We thought that the proposed industrial designation was appropriate.

1104
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:48,220
For that reason, we consider it compatible and consistent with the comprehensive plan.

1105
01:30:49,340 --> 01:30:51,580
So, with that, I will stand for questions.

1106
01:30:52,020 --> 01:30:52,860
Thank you very much.

1107
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,240
Any questions or staff?

1108
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,360
I have a couple of marks.

1109
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:06,900
So I'm looking at Mr. Men's presentation that he gave us.

1110
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,280
Where is the rail located for this?

1111
01:31:11,300 --> 01:31:20,060
And is it on the site for rail use or is this something that's just south or actually surrounding the site for rail?

1112
01:31:20,860 --> 01:31:23,120
I'll need to defer to Mr. Men's.

1113
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:27,280
I don't recall any rail being directly on the site.

1114
01:31:28,020 --> 01:31:36,720
I know from a previous case review that there is rail up here in this area.

1115
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:39,120
Oh, yeah, right around here.

1116
01:31:43,330 --> 01:31:45,610
The north-fong property, right?

1117
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:49,830
So the best thing to try and give you is I know there's rail nearby,

1118
01:31:50,030 --> 01:31:52,190
but I don't think there is rail directly on the site.

1119
01:31:52,190 --> 01:32:13,250
Oh, is there a rail yard, I'm sorry. I stay corrected on this small parcel here. There are two rail lines. Actually, I think short lines are connected to CSX. How do we I thought they're connected to CSX, but I am not sure to be on. I don't think they're short lines. So it's interesting. Yeah.

1120
01:32:15,850 --> 01:32:19,510
As Mr. Men's identified a user, be curious?

1121
01:32:20,330 --> 01:32:21,990
I don't know, and I'll need to defer to you.

1122
01:32:22,290 --> 01:32:23,330
Okay. Thanks.

1123
01:32:23,730 --> 01:32:25,050
Any other questions?

1124
01:32:26,270 --> 01:32:33,910
I was given the, it's not the actual petition, but it's the, I guess the, well, maybe it is.

1125
01:32:35,870 --> 01:32:38,530
Anyway, it says, I'll read this. It's not that long.

1126
01:32:38,530 --> 01:32:42,630
Dear Planning Commissioners and County Commissioners, I am writing to request the complete

1127
01:32:42,630 --> 01:32:52,990
denial of both men's crossing areas, LDCT-2025-15, LDCPAL-2025-7.

1128
01:32:53,650 --> 01:32:58,530
The proposed development would introduce a large high-density residential community into

1129
01:32:58,530 --> 01:33:03,430
a rural agricultural and industrial area that does not have the land conditions or infrastructure

1130
01:33:03,430 --> 01:33:06,910
necessary to support it safely and sustainably.

1131
01:33:06,910 --> 01:33:13,910
portions of the proposed development in surrounding homeowner properties are located within

1132
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:19,990
FEMA, Flood Zone A, residents already experienced flooding and city water doing ordinary rainfall.

1133
01:33:20,170 --> 01:33:28,490
The property is previously phosphate mine land and uneven terrain and low line areas that remain

1134
01:33:28,490 --> 01:33:34,210
every teen water developing this land could worsen drainage conditions and re-direct

1135
01:33:34,210 --> 01:33:40,130
water into neighboring homes, farms, pastures, and roads. The shrining roads already carry residential

1136
01:33:40,130 --> 01:33:47,110
residents, school buses, agriculture, equipment, commercial vehicles, and heavy industrial uses.

1137
01:33:48,570 --> 01:33:51,630
The proposal also raises serious concerns about water supply.

1138
01:33:52,510 --> 01:33:56,790
Redemoisect emergency access, schools, utilities, fire rescue, law enforcement,

1139
01:33:58,610 --> 01:34:02,570
and the cumulative effects of continued high-density development. Changing in

1140
01:34:02,570 --> 01:34:06,590
In 1902, General Assembly passed throughスト leaders and four chưaers who хотел what

1141
01:34:06,930 --> 01:34:12,350
was on the right to sake.

1142
01:34:12,990 --> 01:34:24,370
And at that time, talking about what contenance committee members did, we also

1143
01:34:24,370 --> 01:34:31,930
heard a time machine called Teedge's education commission, realms of growth.

1144
01:34:31,930 --> 01:34:37,550
support it without harming existing residents. Please listen to the citizens who know this area

1145
01:34:37,550 --> 01:34:43,450
and live with these conditions every day. I respectfully ask that the Poked County Plank

1146
01:34:43,450 --> 01:34:50,430
Commission and Poked County Board of County Commissioners deny in the cases of 2025-15-257

1147
01:34:50,430 --> 01:34:59,610
in their entirety. It's sincerely Katie Marshall and it looks like there is 490-8 names attached to that.

1148
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:10,460
It's hard. I was wondering if there was some way to distinguish their opposition, but from that, you can't. It's like thanks for all of it.

1149
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:21,420
Well, and to clarify, it sounds like it was based on the initial application, because they mentioned residential and the larger acreage. So it does not address the reduced application.

1150
01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:26,260
And I don't believe it can be entered as competent and substantial evidence either.

1151
01:35:26,420 --> 01:35:31,920
So the email itself and the reasons listed can be considered citizen testimony.

1152
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,120
The number of signatures is not relevant.

1153
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,780
Populatory polls and petitions are not competent.

1154
01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:40,440
Substantial evidence Florida law is clear on that.

1155
01:35:41,300 --> 01:35:48,300
But as far as the issues raised, those can be given merit as a layperson testimony.

1156
01:35:48,580 --> 01:35:49,840
And then of course anyone here today.

1157
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:57,500
And the interest of time, then we may have to get other people up here to speak, but I'm

1158
01:35:57,500 --> 01:36:00,340
going to recommend that we just move this onto the county.

1159
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:05,480
Commissioners without a recommendation, because I don't know that anybody knows what's

1160
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:06,120
going on.

1161
01:36:08,530 --> 01:36:12,430
I think I'm going to speak for the board of committee members, and I think that they would

1162
01:36:12,990 --> 01:36:18,090
like to have a recommendation from their planning commission, and to clarify.

1163
01:36:18,090 --> 01:36:25,010
And I think the reason staff went ahead and accommodated the request for today, at least

1164
01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:30,270
to let the planning commission decide if they want to hear it or continue it, is because

1165
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:37,030
it's not a case and staff can correct me if I'm wrong, but if not a case of items are changing

1166
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:41,390
within the application, it simply pieces of the application are coming off.

1167
01:36:41,510 --> 01:36:48,070
So if you consider the entire application, now all you're being asked to do is to just

1168
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:52,610
not consider portions, but a portion of it is the exact same, and that's the industrial.

1169
01:36:52,850 --> 01:36:55,290
That's the 1261 square feet of industrial.

1170
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:05,080
All I say, I've got to come forward, please.

1171
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:14,260
Good morning.

1172
01:37:16,420 --> 01:37:16,760
Let me see.

1173
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:18,000
Could you have a slideshow?

1174
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:18,600
Yeah.

1175
01:37:18,940 --> 01:37:19,160
Okay.

1176
01:37:27,500 --> 01:37:29,420
So, thank you, commissioners.

1177
01:37:30,460 --> 01:37:31,320
My name is Tom Mills.

1178
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:31,960
I'm the applicant.

1179
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:33,620
I think you're good.

1180
01:37:33,620 --> 01:37:34,520
Good morning, address points?

1181
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:34,880
Yes.

1182
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,400
for 39 South Florida Avenue, like 3381.

1183
01:37:39,460 --> 01:37:41,840
I think you're gonna find it's actually pretty straightforward.

1184
01:37:43,660 --> 01:37:49,180
And that's the reason why I wanted to give you the booklet so you could actually

1185
01:37:49,180 --> 01:37:51,220
see as we're going through the slide presentations.

1186
01:37:52,300 --> 01:37:55,140
But where we have come from is important.

1187
01:37:56,500 --> 01:38:02,400
So a lot of people would like you to believe that this is agricultural rule in its

1188
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:12,580
This is from 2000, you can see the extensive mining taken place on the west side of the site.

1189
01:38:15,340 --> 01:38:24,200
This is 2007, you can see the extensive mining taken place on the right side, which is on the east side of this.

1190
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,380
And then I want, how do you give it?

1191
01:38:26,380 --> 01:38:26,880
Is that laser?

1192
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:31,660
They can't?

1193
01:38:32,660 --> 01:38:37,840
So if you look on this piece here, you will see, basically,

1194
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,500
a creed system that goes through the center that I'll

1195
01:38:43,500 --> 01:38:47,880
explain more to you that actually bifurcates the east from the west

1196
01:38:48,420 --> 01:38:49,160
on the site.

1197
01:38:50,440 --> 01:39:00,080
This is 2025, so in 2017, the site was reclaimed and released from DEP.

1198
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:06,680
We actually did the reclamation, but the important aspect here is that the lights you

1199
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,960
see on here aren't actually lakes.

1200
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:20,420
Those are permitted ERP, their ERP uses, which means, I'm sorry, which means that you

1201
01:39:20,420 --> 01:39:23,380
You can utilize those for onsite mitigation.

1202
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:32,780
You can use those for storm water retention, and you can utilize those for what we are

1203
01:39:32,780 --> 01:39:39,060
also talking to the water management district about is a reservoir, which can be used for

1204
01:39:39,060 --> 01:39:40,220
additional water.

1205
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:48,100
They're very supportive of an alternative water supply system that does not address the upper

1206
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:59,140
Florida. As you all know, presently on this site we have a water use permit of 317,000 gallons

1207
01:39:59,140 --> 01:39:59,680
a day.

1208
01:40:00,430 --> 01:40:12,330
So, we will go. So, Mark mentioned this. This was the original. We've been working on this for two and a half years.

1209
01:40:13,230 --> 01:40:29,190
So, the concept originally was to try to create a high part-pipe environment, where you would have the commercial uses along 640, mainly at the two corners of 37 and 640, but be the main one.

1210
01:40:29,190 --> 01:40:38,690
It's 5,200 units, but as Mark alluded to, there are water constraints and sewer constraints

1211
01:40:38,690 --> 01:40:40,350
with a development of the size.

1212
01:40:41,010 --> 01:40:46,590
However, I can tell you the concept is good and it was real.

1213
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:53,090
Stan Pack did the layout of this, and it certainly had a lot of merit.

1214
01:40:54,250 --> 01:40:59,010
For the direction we wanted to go, and it would have been a significant benefit to

1215
01:40:59,010 --> 01:41:07,610
area. However, it did propose 17,000 units, so it would have been 50,000 people, 2 million

1216
01:41:07,610 --> 01:41:11,310
square feet of commercial and 70,700,000 office.

1217
01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:19,280
We then moved to this layout, which you

1218
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:28,520
can see in the maroon type, that is the industrial and the residential is in the yellow.

1219
01:41:30,630 --> 01:41:35,450
However, we wanted to modify that to just get to the industrial.

1220
01:41:35,630 --> 01:41:39,750
That's the reason why this is a fairly straightforward application.

1221
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:44,890
As you see in the staff report, and I'm going to demonstrate this in a minute, you can pretty much

1222
01:41:44,890 --> 01:41:48,430
bifurcate between the residential and the industrial.

1223
01:41:51,840 --> 01:42:00,900
This is the existing plan, and what is important to note is that the maroon area does not

1224
01:42:00,900 --> 01:42:04,820
But any type of residential whatsoever,

1225
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,800
it is a budding, all phosphate mining land uses.

1226
01:42:09,540 --> 01:42:14,000
And along 37, it is a budding, actually, industrial.

1227
01:42:14,580 --> 01:42:16,240
It runs all the way along 37.

1228
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:23,300
And there's extensive, there's extensive industrial in the area.

1229
01:42:23,900 --> 01:42:27,620
You had mentioned, somebody mentioned about the railyards

1230
01:42:27,620 --> 01:42:29,380
and the rail lines.

1231
01:42:29,380 --> 01:42:36,760
These are CSX rail lines that the bottom right hand corner of the purple on the map.

1232
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:42,880
You will see that is a rail yard is very extensive.

1233
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:45,240
We're going to see some pictures of that in a few minutes.

1234
01:42:46,060 --> 01:42:56,300
The rail line runs all the way from mulberry down to make those end of mosaic and then continues on.

1235
01:42:56,300 --> 01:43:05,020
And then in the northern corner is another rail line that also is a CSX rail line.

1236
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:13,540
The surrounding uses all parcels to the east are industrial.

1237
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:18,280
Highway 37 is a buffer to the south county grid, 640.

1238
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:22,240
And to the west phosphate mining and industrial uses.

1239
01:43:22,820 --> 01:43:25,540
To the north you also have phosphate mining.

1240
01:43:25,540 --> 01:43:29,000
No portion of the property is as stated as adjacent to residential.

1241
01:43:31,330 --> 01:43:40,390
In fact, the Mulberry Chamber of Commerce says this, there is a lot of hometown support for the upcoming growth and essentially located Mulberry.

1242
01:43:41,130 --> 01:43:45,690
Although we are a small city, we have an abundance of large industry that keeps us going.

1243
01:43:47,370 --> 01:43:53,210
So, one of the things with regards to the petition, if you go back to the petitions that we're asked,

1244
01:43:53,210 --> 01:44:01,590
They even mentioned twice in the petitions and stated how much industrial uses are in this area, and that they were opposed to the residential.

1245
01:44:02,970 --> 01:44:07,470
And we'll get into that aspect in a few minutes.

1246
01:44:09,630 --> 01:44:12,810
The properties located south of Mulberry as stated.

1247
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:21,860
The area is a road that our adjacent is basically state where the 37, it's 640, and

1248
01:44:21,860 --> 01:44:27,420
the highway is 37, which are collector roads in major arterial roads.

1249
01:44:28,660 --> 01:44:29,840
This is giving an example.

1250
01:44:30,780 --> 01:44:31,880
This is new whales.

1251
01:44:33,300 --> 01:44:39,960
This is located on phosphate mining land, which all of the property that we're talking about

1252
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:51,860
allows this use with a floor area ratio of .75 which is very high. The uses on the existing

1253
01:44:51,860 --> 01:44:59,440
property are heavy industrial. There's no question about that and we're about to see more.

1254
01:45:01,390 --> 01:45:12,010
We've talked about residential. The existing land use already has industrial and commercial uses on

1255
01:45:12,010 --> 01:45:25,210
it under PM. On the local, whether if you like it or not, allows the highest density in the

1256
01:45:25,210 --> 01:45:32,210
housing. That is already allowed on that property. So anybody opposed to residential

1257
01:45:32,210 --> 01:45:41,270
uses this law was passed in 2023 that allows you to put these densities, street

1258
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:42,950
stories high buildings.

1259
01:45:45,970 --> 01:45:50,210
And it can go higher if there's a building within one mile

1260
01:45:50,210 --> 01:45:51,630
this higher than three stories.

1261
01:45:53,450 --> 01:46:00,230
So you're looking at residential uses that are the most

1262
01:46:00,230 --> 01:46:05,710
intensity in the county already allowed under industrial

1263
01:46:05,710 --> 01:46:09,990
and commercial uses, which clearly pion is industrial.

1264
01:46:11,500 --> 01:46:14,320
The mining site, the water,

1265
01:46:18,030 --> 01:46:28,150
the on the site, we actually have on-site wetland mitigation areas,

1266
01:46:28,590 --> 01:46:32,590
which are the areas that we showed you on the lake system, thank you.

1267
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:50,590
So the areas that we showed you on the lake system in the middle actually is an on-site mitigation area.

1268
01:46:52,160 --> 01:47:05,040
They are not wetlands that they are used to offset any wetland impacts that you have on any property from here all the way to Tampa Bay.

1269
01:47:05,780 --> 01:47:13,320
So that is already an existence on this property and you can use them if any wetlands are impacted on this site as well.

1270
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:23,640
However, however, the use of those lakes for stormwater ponds is a huge benefit for this site,

1271
01:47:23,820 --> 01:47:29,120
because most sites do not have on-site stormwater, they have to build them.

1272
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:36,220
This is a major stormwater ponds system, if we choose to go that route, or we will probably

1273
01:47:36,220 --> 01:47:40,000
do a combination of a reservoir and stormwater ponds.

1274
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:50,140
You know, probably read a few days ago in the paper where Paul County won a settlement agreement

1275
01:47:50,140 --> 01:47:55,720
with Tampa Bay Water on 12 million gallons of water a day coming out of the LFI River.

1276
01:47:56,220 --> 01:47:59,880
That's going to come out of this point very close to this location.

1277
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:08,880
So, and I will probably be able to show you on a different map, but pretty much every wetland

1278
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:15,180
that appears to be a wetland on here is either a well-immitigation part of our well-immitigation

1279
01:48:15,180 --> 01:48:21,680
bank or part of an ERP permit that allows us to actually fill that lake if we want to fill

1280
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:29,100
it. So we can go in there and fill these areas if we chose to do that. We're not going to do that

1281
01:48:29,100 --> 01:48:36,720
because we want to use it for other uses but that is an allowable use pretty much on every lake you see

1282
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:41,460
there. They're all within the ERP or the wetland mitigation bank.

1283
01:48:43,620 --> 01:48:44,760
We talk about the history

1284
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:52,060
of this area. This area has been mined for 100 years. This property, even though you saw

1285
01:48:52,060 --> 01:49:00,640
it mined in 2020, had been mined multiple times for the past since 1914, these buildings have

1286
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:04,880
and other buildings like it in the area have been built.

1287
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:11,600
And this one is located north of this site in his recently

1288
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:15,740
in the 2000s, been an operation, same with this one.

1289
01:49:16,820 --> 01:49:21,140
All of these structures show you just how intensive

1290
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:23,960
the industrial uses are in this area.

1291
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:32,560
This is Mosaic's Fossy Pond, which is located also north of the site along Anderson Road.

1292
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:39,780
Same, the piece to the west of here, this is north of the site along Anderson Road.

1293
01:49:39,780 --> 01:49:45,640
You can see the rail line that runs the perimeter here as well.

1294
01:49:46,900 --> 01:49:52,640
This is Mosaic's Fossy Fogips and Stack to the south as well.

1295
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:59,260
This is just north of this site along Anderson Road, this is a sand mine area.

1296
01:50:01,860 --> 01:50:20,220
This is adjacent to our property. In this commission, recently, or in the past three or four years, voted to allow a salvage alarm guard to go adjacent to our property as well as a conditional use on the west side of the property, along 37.

1297
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,980
This is the intersection of 37 and 640.

1298
01:50:27,420 --> 01:50:28,600
By the way, let me go back.

1299
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:33,400
That north, I mean south, west corner.

1300
01:50:34,440 --> 01:50:37,040
We're not where the red truck is, but the one in front of him,

1301
01:50:37,060 --> 01:50:39,800
that is also his own industrial.

1302
01:50:40,180 --> 01:50:44,600
This corner parcel right here is zoning industrial

1303
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:50,100
and our property that we're requesting to change for is directly behind this piece.

1304
01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:57,160
This is Tico solar farm, you can see they have multiple solar farms in the area.

1305
01:50:57,780 --> 01:51:02,940
This is another one that is just north of the site that they've recently completed.

1306
01:51:05,630 --> 01:51:08,850
The extensive rail lines you can see as well in the area.

1307
01:51:09,650 --> 01:51:14,370
This is the rail yard that is on 37.

1308
01:51:14,370 --> 01:51:17,190
7. You can see it right there on 37.

1309
01:51:21,220 --> 01:51:28,620
This is the one that is right on 640 just closer

1310
01:51:28,620 --> 01:51:36,660
to where we are. And that piece right there is approximately 130 acres in that is undenastrile

1311
01:51:36,660 --> 01:51:44,060
as well to the just to the south of us. This is the new Wales plant that property line

1312
01:51:44,060 --> 01:51:48,390
but our property to the south west of our site.

1313
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:56,480
So this will give you an idea of just how many residents we've added here in

1314
01:51:56,480 --> 01:52:03,240
bulk County and this gives an opportunity to bring jobs. As you can see, the Central Florida

1315
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:11,560
Region of Planning Council has been very supportive of industrial uses and in getting bigger

1316
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:16,520
uses to the area, right here, they need ready-made market

1317
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:20,340
ready industrial and manufacturing sites.

1318
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:30,000
They also say that for the, this site here is 216 acres,

1319
01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:36,640
and it is contiguous with, it has the roads.

1320
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:40,800
It has utility, there's a large transmission line that runs

1321
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:42,980
right through the center of this piece of property.

1322
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:47,900
It has storm water systems in place as buffers.

1323
01:52:49,660 --> 01:52:52,100
Mulberry in industrial development.

1324
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:56,760
It talks about the city's direct access to state road 630.

1325
01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:00,800
And 37 is a critical economic asset.

1326
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:08,520
Mulberry, everything that's state from their own website,

1327
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:15,260
from the Chambers website talks about bringing industry to this area and rightfully so this area

1328
01:53:15,260 --> 01:53:24,120
is heavy industrial. You can look at the uses. This is very important because it shows you just

1329
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:33,200
how similar the industrial and PM land uses are you solve a mosaic plant. You can build on this site

1330
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:39,640
right now, the most intensive industrial uses in the code.

1331
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:42,660
It goes right down in comparison.

1332
01:53:45,100 --> 01:53:49,080
So you can see how similar they are.

1333
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:53,660
The Polk County, because the phosphate mining is moving away,

1334
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:56,640
although Mosaic's plant will be there forever,

1335
01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:59,220
is moving away from the PNLan use

1336
01:53:59,220 --> 01:54:07,020
in trying to get other uses for those sites, and that, this is a natural transition to that.

1337
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:09,660
As you can see, it continues on.

1338
01:54:10,020 --> 01:54:12,340
It's not just one or two uses that are similar.

1339
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:21,820
It is almost the entire list that are identical uses within the code, and these are allowed

1340
01:54:21,820 --> 01:54:29,040
right now today, even on the suburban areas that are directly behind any residential house

1341
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:30,480
they were complaining about.

1342
01:54:31,420 --> 01:54:35,440
But behind their houses, also you can put the live local

1343
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:40,780
in how expensive dense, dense, dense housing

1344
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,320
under the live local life.

1345
01:54:45,140 --> 01:54:47,940
This shows some financial benefits as well as

1346
01:54:47,940 --> 01:54:52,400
the benefits for Southern Polk County, surrounding

1347
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:53,460
compatible uses.

1348
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:57,160
If you look at the compatibility, it says compatibility

1349
01:54:57,160 --> 01:54:59,300
states that the land shall be developed.

1350
01:54:59,860 --> 01:54:59,960
So the...

1351
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:10,000
The adjacent uses are compatible with each other, pursuant to the requirements to other policies in the future land use element, so that one or more of the following provisions are accomplished.

1352
01:55:11,820 --> 01:55:25,080
A, there have been provisions made which buffer and compatible from dissimilar uses. The land use change we're seeking today is from PM to industrial, those are similar uses.

1353
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:29,200
And it says, one or more,

1354
01:55:31,900 --> 01:55:35,380
in compatible uses are made to be more compatible to each

1355
01:55:35,380 --> 01:55:39,600
other through limiting intensity and scale of the other intensive uses.

1356
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:44,800
This is an applicable since the adjacent uses have the same intensity.

1357
01:55:46,580 --> 01:55:51,220
And then see uses are transitioned through the gradual scaling of different land use

1358
01:55:51,220 --> 01:55:57,080
activities through the use of innovative development techniques such as the Plane Unit Development.

1359
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:02,720
This is not applicable because the adjacent uses are the same and very similar.

1360
01:56:05,610 --> 01:56:12,270
If you go to the comprehensive plan on compatibility, it states under 4.4, a condition

1361
01:56:12,270 --> 01:56:17,890
in which land uses or conditions can coexist in relative proximity to each other and a stable

1362
01:56:17,890 --> 01:56:23,850
fashion over the time that no uses or conditions are undoubtedly negative impact directly or

1363
01:56:23,850 --> 01:56:25,730
directly by another user condition.

1364
01:56:27,190 --> 01:56:33,410
The uses being proposed have been on the site long before any homes are in the area.

1365
01:56:34,450 --> 01:56:39,070
It's been mined in the homes if any to the north of the site were there.

1366
01:56:39,850 --> 01:56:43,290
Most of these were built for mining towns.

1367
01:56:43,290 --> 01:56:50,290
They were mining communities at the actual mining industry built and put there to be used for their workers.

1368
01:56:51,150 --> 01:56:58,670
That's clearly the case towards Anderson in the 676, which is north of this area.

1369
01:57:02,060 --> 01:57:09,800
You can see that the IOMC processing chemical plant remnants, these are sites along 37.

1370
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:11,740
I'm going to move through them pretty quick.

1371
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:13,560
This is north of the site on 37.

1372
01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:18,480
7, 37 is highly industrial.

1373
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:27,940
One of the things I wanted to bring to your attention was if you go to the staff report,

1374
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:37,080
because I do think that the staff report is broken up between the industrial uses, and you

1375
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:48,640
to page 26, you will see that the use that we're changing to, because of the 7.75

1376
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:57,680
far that is allowed under PM, you actually see a reduction in average annual daily trips that

1377
01:57:57,680 --> 01:58:08,380
allowable for this land use of PM, go from $148,922 per day to $49,686.

1378
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:13,420
And it's because of the far, you're allowed greater densities

1379
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:16,400
in use of the property under PM.

1380
01:58:17,300 --> 01:58:23,000
If you go over to maximum allowable use of square

1381
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,720
footage, it almost cuts in half.

1382
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:36,180
It goes from 41 million square feet under the existing land use, to 27 million square feet under the industrial.

1383
01:58:36,820 --> 01:58:44,920
So it's almost half of the amount of the two and you see water consumption between phosphate mining is actually,

1384
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:52,700
if it were completely built out to the maximum capacity, which I can tell you with industrial, that's just not the case.

1385
01:58:52,700 --> 01:58:54,400
We have a lot of experience with industrial.

1386
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:56,580
You don't typically see that.

1387
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:59,380
However, south of us, Mosaic,

1388
01:58:59,460 --> 01:59:01,940
actually has a permit for 18 million gallons a day,

1389
01:59:02,060 --> 01:59:02,560
here's something.

1390
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:08,160
So you see that the water use is actually decrease.

1391
01:59:08,700 --> 01:59:14,760
So I would say that the uses from industrial to PM actually

1392
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:19,540
are decreasing in less intensive or the same.

1393
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,560
There's certainly less intensive in what you can build.

1394
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:32,140
But they are less intensive in traffic, water consumption, sewer consumption, et cetera.

1395
01:59:34,660 --> 01:59:40,980
I think this is a clear, if you looked around the county for a site for industrial, I don't

1396
01:59:40,980 --> 01:59:45,640
think you'd find one better than this site for that kind of use.

1397
01:59:47,140 --> 01:59:59,960
And regardless of what the neighbors want with regards to not having residential, the law that got passed is a game changer.

1398
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,040
On that, and it's unfortunate to me that that did pass, but it did. However, it is applicable and you can

1399
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:18,280
have the most intensive residential uses on the side already. So I'm open for questions if you'll

1400
02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:19,040
have any.

1401
02:00:21,070 --> 02:00:27,270
Sir Chair, I have two things I wanted to clarify. First, I think there was a lot of testimony

1402
02:00:27,270 --> 02:00:33,950
by the applicant appreciated that might be considered opinion which can be considered if the

1403
02:00:33,950 --> 02:00:39,050
witness is qualified as an expert. However, if the witness is not qualified as an expert,

1404
02:00:39,410 --> 02:00:43,310
the opinion testimony as I said in my opening comments aren't competent substantial evidence.

1405
02:00:44,730 --> 02:00:51,010
So if the commission wants to consider the applicants testimony, there may be a motion or

1406
02:00:51,010 --> 02:00:55,010
consideration of whether the applicant is qualified and the applicant may want to speak to that.

1407
02:00:55,010 --> 02:01:00,150
Yeah, I submitted my resume to y'all with regards to that.

1408
02:01:01,310 --> 02:01:08,470
To give you an idea, I have over 35 years of land use change experience

1409
02:01:09,230 --> 02:01:15,350
before this board, before the city of Lakeland, before Mallbury extensive.

1410
02:01:15,450 --> 02:01:21,690
I've testified the circuit court on land use applications of the Polk County

1411
02:01:21,690 --> 02:01:31,390
comprehensive plan, as well as the land development code, when it comes to uses, it's gone

1412
02:01:31,390 --> 02:01:36,910
from land use applications and I've been here to testify many of y'all have seen me here

1413
02:01:38,010 --> 02:01:44,410
before, for industrial, commercial, residential. In addition to that, I don't know a company

1414
02:01:44,410 --> 02:01:51,050
called the Elefile River Wetland Medigation Bank. We are actually the largest wetland

1415
02:01:51,050 --> 02:01:53,830
mitigation bank in the Hillsborough County, I'll

1416
02:01:53,830 --> 02:01:56,130
notify River Basin, which goes to Tampa Bay.

1417
02:01:56,670 --> 02:01:59,890
I have extensive experience with regard to the environmental

1418
02:01:59,890 --> 02:02:05,330
issues that are associated with wetland plants, wetland

1419
02:02:05,330 --> 02:02:13,950
resources, hydrology, this entire area we saw through and

1420
02:02:13,950 --> 02:02:17,930
actually help design the reclamation of that site and how

1421
02:02:17,930 --> 02:02:26,470
those, we permitted those ponds in those areas to be utilized for wetland mitigation impacts

1422
02:02:26,470 --> 02:02:30,610
for storm water for ERP application.

1423
02:02:31,610 --> 02:02:40,010
So this is a site that has been planned for a very long time to achieve the big city that

1424
02:02:40,010 --> 02:02:41,030
we've once proposed.

1425
02:02:41,290 --> 02:02:45,330
Those retention areas would have worked fantastic for that use as well.

1426
02:02:45,330 --> 02:02:51,750
So, I would say that I'm a licensed contractor, I have extensive experience with construction.

1427
02:02:52,710 --> 02:03:00,470
We have done thousands of acres and reclamation of these types of sites that deal with the hydrology aspect of things.

1428
02:03:00,630 --> 02:03:05,970
And that's our company, not just as a landowner, but our company has done them.

1429
02:03:06,270 --> 02:03:13,170
So, I would say, and put forth in the resume, as you can see, that I definitely have experience

1430
02:03:14,630 --> 02:03:18,190
with those planning and on the environmental research issues.

1431
02:03:18,190 --> 02:03:24,050
Is there an interest in accepting his resume

1432
02:03:24,050 --> 02:03:26,350
and his testimonies expert witness?

1433
02:03:29,980 --> 02:03:30,680
No, I need a motion.

1434
02:03:32,180 --> 02:03:33,360
Sounds like an expert to me.

1435
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:36,100
I'll make a motion to accept him as an expert witness.

1436
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:36,780
No, no, no, no, no, no,

1437
02:03:43,720 --> 02:03:43,720
no.

1438
02:03:43,860 --> 02:03:44,100
All right.

1439
02:03:45,020 --> 02:03:46,300
All of every scene I would like to say.

1440
02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:47,640
Bye.

1441
02:03:48,060 --> 02:03:48,800
I'll pose the same time.

1442
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:50,160
You're an expert.

1443
02:03:51,480 --> 02:04:19,620
And then the only other item I wanted to clarify, I think there's a statement by the applicant that the Florida statute delivered local act, which for the county's purposes is Florida statute 125.01055 applies to a phosphate mining, the county's phosphate mining union designation, the statute applies to commercial industrial and mixed use, so while the phosphate mining and industrial uses may be similar,

1444
02:04:19,620 --> 02:04:22,480
or the statute does not mention

1445
02:04:23,180 --> 02:04:25,240
live local applying to the phosphate mining.

1446
02:04:25,380 --> 02:04:28,580
As I recall, and you may want to clarify this,

1447
02:04:28,580 --> 02:04:31,800
but I believe it says industrial uses in the statute

1448
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:35,640
versus industrial, so phosphate mining clearly

1449
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:37,700
as an industrial type use.

1450
02:04:38,820 --> 02:04:41,080
Right, I'll read the exact statute just so we're all clear.

1451
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:42,980
Accounting must authorize, and again,

1452
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:44,740
this we're not sure to consider

1453
02:04:44,740 --> 02:04:46,480
multi-family that I just want to clarify.

1454
02:04:47,200 --> 02:04:49,200
Accounting must authorize, multi-family,

1455
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:56,080
next use residential as allowable uses in any area zoned for commercial industrial or mixed use.

1456
02:04:57,280 --> 02:04:59,980
I agree with that. Okay. Thank you.

1457
02:05:00,340 --> 02:05:03,580
That's all my comments. Thank you for indulging me.

1458
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:13,260
Yes, I'm open for a question. Thank you. Any questions of the applicant?

1459
02:05:16,540 --> 02:05:17,400
Thank you.

1460
02:05:19,300 --> 02:05:31,820
Seeing none is there, I'll open the hearing up and ask is there anyone in the audience to speak in favor of this application? Is there anyone?

1461
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:35,540
Okay, that makes sense for that next.

1462
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:38,440
81 in opposed to this application.

1463
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:42,940
And yes, if you would come forward, please,

1464
02:05:43,100 --> 02:05:46,200
and one is coming forward, I would just reiterate

1465
02:05:48,260 --> 02:05:50,740
that the application, the applicant,

1466
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:54,060
has requested that his application be amended

1467
02:05:54,060 --> 02:05:59,500
to include only a portion of the original request,

1468
02:05:59,500 --> 02:06:02,880
And that is for the industrial only.

1469
02:06:03,400 --> 02:06:03,880
Yes sir.

1470
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:04,380
Yes sir.

1471
02:06:04,380 --> 02:06:05,220
Name an address.

1472
02:06:05,460 --> 02:06:06,580
Where are you sworn in?

1473
02:06:06,740 --> 02:06:07,380
What was that sir?

1474
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:08,500
Where are you sworn in?

1475
02:06:08,740 --> 02:06:09,080
Yes sir.

1476
02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:10,360
Name an address.

1477
02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:11,860
My name is Anthony Childs.

1478
02:06:11,980 --> 02:06:13,620
My address is Bluff Road Mobile.

1479
02:06:14,160 --> 02:06:14,320
For the.

1480
02:06:15,220 --> 02:06:15,240
Okay.

1481
02:06:15,480 --> 02:06:17,260
My biggest question is,

1482
02:06:17,260 --> 02:06:19,600
He keeps saying that live live local

1483
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:21,440
2023 act.

1484
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:23,180
So basically if he does it.

1485
02:06:23,780 --> 02:06:24,340
Industrial.

1486
02:06:24,580 --> 02:06:28,480
He can build whatever he wants on on his.

1487
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:31,060
House is on his hand, am I right?

1488
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:40,840
You are correct for the standpoint of the statute that was passed, known as the

1489
02:06:40,840 --> 02:06:48,520
liberalical act that does allow for residential development provided that at least 40%

1490
02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:53,020
of leave is, does qualify for affordable housing?

1491
02:06:53,960 --> 02:07:00,520
Yes, sir. My, my, my own question is what he's proposing bill. I don't, I have zero problems

1492
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:08,360
where about development. My biggest problem is what he's proposing to bill, what I saw is,

1493
02:07:08,780 --> 02:07:16,400
is that it's twice the size of mulberry. It's twice the size of, of Fort Meat. The two nearest

1494
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:26,960
towns to us. We have one ambulance in the area and we, I mean, what can we do? The traffic

1495
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:32,800
is horrible. We have a two-lane road so we're going to build all this info, we're going to build

1496
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:35,980
all this stuff on a two-lane road

1497
02:07:38,060 --> 02:07:46,930
that goes to from 640 to 37, what I understand and what I understand,

1498
02:07:46,930 --> 02:07:55,750
And what my research is, it's about 28,000 cars a day now before we build this.

1499
02:07:55,990 --> 02:08:02,210
I have no problem about building planning, because I know we always have to develop.

1500
02:08:02,530 --> 02:08:08,870
But my biggest issue is we have to do it before we have to build a foundation before we

1501
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:12,510
can build a roof, or it will all come tumple in that.

1502
02:08:13,730 --> 02:08:19,190
I mean, because they all say about the water issue,

1503
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:24,550
and I know like CDM workers like 800,000,

1504
02:08:25,470 --> 02:08:36,970
and the water issue for me, it is like 700,000, they denied a data center because it would put them close to their point of water.

1505
02:08:37,870 --> 02:08:45,310
So, and they want 1.5 to 2.5 million gallons of water a day,

1506
02:08:49,540 --> 02:08:51,860
I mean, what can we do?

1507
02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:59,980
I don't have any answers for you. I just wanted to get your comments. I'm pretty sure you're...

1508
02:08:59,980 --> 02:09:07,740
I mean, for example, I mean, I have zero issue about building, but we need to do something.

1509
02:09:07,740 --> 02:09:15,100
with the road, because it's a two-lane highway, and by DOT standards, it says,

1510
02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:24,880
I would say how many as 10 to 15,000 people a day, roughly, and what I'm seeing is

1511
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:35,600
25 to 30,000 people a day, travel at road. Now, we're putting another city out there,

1512
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:44,890
travel in the same road and we have one ambulance for all for all this we have

1513
02:09:45,190 --> 02:09:50,110
We have fire engines, but we don't have one ambulance for the whole community

1514
02:09:51,490 --> 02:09:54,410
And then our nearest ambulance put a half to come from

1515
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:56,950
Modella or

1516
02:09:56,950 --> 02:09:57,730
Barker

1517
02:10:01,710 --> 02:10:13,950
I mean, I understand. We just have to do something. I have no problem about building, but we have to, there has to be some kind of give and take.

1518
02:10:14,450 --> 02:10:15,010
Thank you.

1519
02:10:15,210 --> 02:10:22,990
You can't just, I guess you'll get 16-50 more seconds. And there has to be some kind of give or take. I mean, I just don't understand.

1520
02:10:26,980 --> 02:10:28,180
I'm done. Have a good day.

1521
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:31,020
Anyone else in opposition?

1522
02:10:32,580 --> 02:10:36,900
Mr. Chair, while they're coming up, I could clarify one thing, because this is a little confusing.

1523
02:10:37,140 --> 02:10:38,460
I just want to make sure we understand.

1524
02:10:40,740 --> 02:10:44,780
So the legislature has said, and it preempts the county.

1525
02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:53,120
If the property was to be zoned industrial, the legislature's already determined that affordable housing in the criteria that they have in the statute is compatible.

1526
02:10:53,780 --> 02:10:56,900
So that's nothing. The cleaning commission can consider.

1527
02:10:56,900 --> 02:11:00,100
and making their recommendation as to this application.

1528
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:03,360
The only thing the planning commission is able to consider

1529
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:06,820
is whether the industrial uses that we have,

1530
02:11:06,860 --> 02:11:08,860
because the application is to change to industrial,

1531
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:13,360
is whether the industrial uses are appropriate in this area.

1532
02:11:13,960 --> 02:11:17,380
We can't consider whether affordable housing would be appropriate,

1533
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:20,160
because the legislature's already taken that out of the county's hands.

1534
02:11:20,420 --> 02:11:23,020
What is the affordable housing for a poll?

1535
02:11:23,020 --> 02:11:27,280
Yeah, no sorry your public comment portion is over

1536
02:11:29,500 --> 02:11:38,220
Yes, ma'am. Okay, my name's Crystal Tim and I live in Pinedale, area and I did not get no mail at all from these companies

1537
02:11:38,220 --> 02:11:43,700
I flood out there. Could you give us your address please? Yes, 310 line street

1538
02:11:43,700 --> 02:11:51,340
Mallary Florida 3386. Okay, thank you. We've flood out there like crazy. It is as a cultural out there on

1539
02:11:51,340 --> 02:11:58,240
37 and 640 we have cow fields we have wild animals we have endangered animals out there that

1540
02:11:58,240 --> 02:12:06,060
he did not even speak of he don't speak of the traffic. How bad it is at 4 o'clock in the afternoon

1541
02:12:06,060 --> 02:12:12,840
I've laid out there three times at the green light just to turn left because we don't have no turn signal

1542
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:21,320
we have a turn lane but we don't have a turn light we are terrible with the traffic the watering out

1543
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:29,840
there and he don't even talk about the agricultural out there and we don't know what he is planning

1544
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:34,420
on to building if it's going to affect our animals or not, if it's going to affect my

1545
02:12:34,420 --> 02:12:39,600
chickens, my cows, my sheep, my neighbors, goats, anything.

1546
02:12:43,530 --> 02:12:45,170
We are not for this and I did

1547
02:12:45,170 --> 02:12:51,690
sign that petition and there was 539 people that signed it within three days online.

1548
02:12:55,060 --> 02:12:55,340
We are

1549
02:12:55,340 --> 02:13:01,240
not for it. And he can say whatever he wants to say, but us residential people was there

1550
02:13:01,240 --> 02:13:07,100
before they decided to do whatever they're trying to do. We've been there. We are the ones

1551
02:13:07,100 --> 02:13:13,680
that live there. I would recommend you all to drive out there at four and five in the afternoon.

1552
02:13:14,260 --> 02:13:18,340
Drive out there. Look at this stuff. And then he's over here talking about the false state mind.

1553
02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:24,140
What about the chipsets? What are they going to do? How's it going to affect us? Do they know?

1554
02:13:24,860 --> 02:13:26,000
That's not part of this effort.

1555
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:27,820
We've already been affected by this.

1556
02:13:27,820 --> 02:13:29,060
And this is false fake murder.

1557
02:13:29,320 --> 02:13:31,900
He's trying to take false fake land.

1558
02:13:33,540 --> 02:13:38,180
That's false fake water that's all on that screen that he showed.

1559
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:39,460
All of his contaminated.

1560
02:13:40,220 --> 02:13:42,080
All of it.

1561
02:13:42,280 --> 02:13:43,040
I am done.

1562
02:13:43,960 --> 02:13:44,340
Thank you.

1563
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:46,400
Anyone else speaking in the opposition?

1564
02:13:54,220 --> 02:13:54,840
Good afternoon.

1565
02:13:55,500 --> 02:13:56,420
Are you sworn in?

1566
02:13:56,420 --> 02:13:56,900
Yes, I am.

1567
02:13:57,860 --> 02:13:58,560
My name is Katie Marshall.

1568
02:13:58,780 --> 02:14:00,260
I live off Anderson Road.

1569
02:14:00,260 --> 02:14:03,120
My address is 3, 3, 7, 5 Anderson Road.

1570
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:07,640
I have prepared a speech, but now it's since this is kind of changed.

1571
02:14:07,980 --> 02:14:10,060
I'm just going to kind of shoot from the hit here.

1572
02:14:11,180 --> 02:14:16,000
However, I do a little off Anderson Road and would be directly affected by these areas.

1573
02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:19,440
Now I know that his map now shows that it's changed.

1574
02:14:21,260 --> 02:14:26,180
However, this hearing was previously postponed because of problems with the original notices.

1575
02:14:26,180 --> 02:14:30,400
I was specifically told these cases would be re-avertized and the second set of mill notices

1576
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:35,500
would be sent yet as of yesterday. I have still not received them, neither has some of our

1577
02:14:35,500 --> 02:14:41,040
neighbors. So that's your current concern. Everything will want to view. Public notices is not

1578
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:46,340
a technicality. It is required, so effectiveness citizens can know what their government is

1579
02:14:46,340 --> 02:14:50,980
turning to consider and how the opportunity to participate before decisions are made.

1580
02:14:55,140 --> 02:14:55,660
And

1581
02:14:55,660 --> 02:14:59,960
of the information at all, which I think was why we, you know, to your...

1582
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:08,220
I think it does need to give time for our citizens to be a little bit more educated as to what he is proposing.

1583
02:15:09,380 --> 02:15:17,980
Most of our citizens, I would say, is, you know, we're not going to stop all growth. I could sit here and, you know, tell you right now that it's

1584
02:15:17,980 --> 02:15:25,980
stopping all growth, especially in Florida. I don't see that ever happening. I think responsible growth is what we need to be as our goal.

1585
02:15:26,920 --> 02:15:33,180
This point I could not really tell you what's being proposed other than just that being changed to industrial.

1586
02:15:33,800 --> 02:15:36,740
Yes, we do live around industrial. I've grew up in this area.

1587
02:15:37,260 --> 02:15:40,300
I've been around the fall state mining. I've had families who work for them.

1588
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:44,060
And we deal with the fall state mine traffic every day.

1589
02:15:44,780 --> 02:15:47,160
I hear the fall state mines running when I wake up in the morning.

1590
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:52,700
But at this point in time, I did choose to live there.

1591
02:15:54,800 --> 02:16:00,960
However, one of the larger concerns, especially living off Anderson Road, is the flood plains and the wetlands,

1592
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:08,680
which I would like to submit for record, which I did send to Ms. Lisa and thank you so much for all of your help with this.

1593
02:16:08,680 --> 02:16:12,620
I don't know if you can give this to you, but I do have some photos of our property.

1594
02:16:13,460 --> 02:16:20,020
We do get inundated with flood water and not just during hurricanes, but, you know, throughout just our rainy season.

1595
02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:26,960
We have a very, very valid concern as to what's going to happen with all this growth.

1596
02:16:27,380 --> 02:16:34,580
It may change now that it's just industrial but I would like to have some more information as to what is this look like for our future.

1597
02:16:35,140 --> 02:16:40,360
What is this going to impact us to me a lot of this stuff that's in front of us right now is kind of hypothetical

1598
02:16:41,140 --> 02:16:44,900
because there's not an actual plan in place now that it's changed.

1599
02:16:44,900 --> 02:16:48,980
I just, I have a need more information to be able to communicate a little bit better as to

1600
02:16:48,980 --> 02:16:53,960
you how this now would affect us compared to my prepared speech from, you know, all

1601
02:16:53,960 --> 02:16:54,500
month long.

1602
02:16:54,640 --> 02:16:56,720
I do appreciate you all taking the time to listen.

1603
02:16:57,380 --> 02:16:57,840
Thank you.

1604
02:16:58,000 --> 02:16:58,680
Thank you.

1605
02:17:00,550 --> 02:17:04,210
Any well to speak in opposition to this request.

1606
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:12,040
Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the commission for discussion.

1607
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:13,100
The applicant.

1608
02:17:13,100 --> 02:17:14,100
I'm going to catch a chance to you.

1609
02:17:14,460 --> 02:17:15,320
Oh, okay, I'm so...

1610
02:17:15,320 --> 02:17:15,520
I'm so...

1611
02:17:15,520 --> 02:17:15,620
Respond.

1612
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:16,540
Yes.

1613
02:17:17,620 --> 02:17:17,840
Please.

1614
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:22,500
Thank you.

1615
02:17:22,960 --> 02:17:25,840
So, to answer some of the questions with regards to traffic.

1616
02:17:26,760 --> 02:17:32,160
Traffic study has been done to determine that that is not an issue at this time.

1617
02:17:32,260 --> 02:17:36,400
As you go through, and this is not just on this project.

1618
02:17:36,460 --> 02:17:39,740
This is on any project you're dealing with, this any kind of large scale.

1619
02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:44,080
That as you go through, if you do not meet your traffic study,

1620
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:51,860
doesn't work, then you may have to make as a developer improvements to that, roads or infrastructure.

1621
02:17:53,200 --> 02:18:03,100
For example, on one of the first plan, the city concept that we were talking about, over time, those

1622
02:18:03,100 --> 02:18:09,980
were then a large portion of 37 would have been converted to a four lane road.

1623
02:18:09,980 --> 02:18:16,760
I mean, it's, you know, when you're talking 50,000 people, it will increase the need for road infrastructure.

1624
02:18:17,500 --> 02:18:19,480
However, that's not the case here.

1625
02:18:20,020 --> 02:18:35,300
We are definitely below any thresholds as I stated earlier, the level of traffic that is allowable under the existing land use is significantly more than the allowable land use under industrial for traffic.

1626
02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:45,460
So, you heard testimony about you wake up in the morning and you hear the industrial activity

1627
02:18:45,460 --> 02:18:46,960
and noise around you.

1628
02:18:47,700 --> 02:18:48,920
That is the area.

1629
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:51,500
That is what is out there today.

1630
02:18:52,680 --> 02:19:01,480
So, I think that with regards to the agricultural, there are cows on our property, but it's always

1631
02:19:01,480 --> 02:19:08,300
been fostering mining. It's always for a hundred years that is what this property has been

1632
02:19:08,300 --> 02:19:15,160
and it's had heavy industrial uses throughout that time period. So, I stand for any questions

1633
02:19:15,160 --> 02:19:21,940
that you want me to have for this question of the Albuquerque. I'm just sitting here curious,

1634
02:19:22,960 --> 02:19:29,580
are there any plans of what you're going to do now that the residential city concept is off the table

1635
02:19:30,500 --> 02:19:45,580
So we will seek for industrial, like we're probably going to put a road through the center on the west side and sell like we sell on other parcels that we have five ten acre tracks for small industrial type uses that's

1636
02:19:46,560 --> 02:19:51,160
That's your main, we find that there's a sweet spot out there for those five acre

1637
02:19:52,460 --> 02:19:58,800
Small mom and pop type operations that want their welding and they want their different industrial uses

1638
02:19:58,800 --> 02:19:59,980
And that's the end.

1639
02:20:02,200 --> 02:20:08,420
And then the other land that's now off the table that we're not talking about, is there any thoughts on that down road?

1640
02:20:08,840 --> 02:20:12,640
You know, we don't really have a specific thought on that right now.

1641
02:20:13,880 --> 02:20:17,180
I don't have a specific thought on that.

1642
02:20:17,380 --> 02:20:18,660
It's just with the things.

1643
02:20:20,840 --> 02:20:29,500
I have a follow-up on that question. So you're planning on dividing it into five acre industrial sites.

1644
02:20:29,500 --> 02:20:34,660
They five to ten, but yet then at the same time you can get somebody that wants

1645
02:20:35,860 --> 02:20:41,800
Like we just sold down on matter five those curious you'll have a hearing before you all on a cement

1646
02:20:41,800 --> 02:20:45,360
Think coming up. We sold a parcel that's thirty acres

1647
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:52,460
Right south of us first-sentent plan. I don't know if it's that one thirty acres is a little bit different than five acres

1648
02:20:52,460 --> 02:20:57,020
That's right. I'm saying it will vary. I mean, we're not living in it to five to ten

1649
02:20:57,020 --> 02:21:01,960
I'm just saying that that's a sweet spot, that that is where we find that we're selling

1650
02:21:01,960 --> 02:21:04,480
the most industrial uses.

1651
02:21:04,960 --> 02:21:11,340
South of this location on Jamerson Road, we have one, the three acres, and we're selling

1652
02:21:11,340 --> 02:21:12,380
a lot of them.

1653
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:19,660
I mean, it's, but we do occasionally sell one that's 30 acres, so it's, you know, we would sell

1654
02:21:19,660 --> 02:21:20,340
the larger track.

1655
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:22,780
It's just, that's where we find the market.

1656
02:21:30,250 --> 02:21:31,410
Okay, thank you.

1657
02:21:31,410 --> 02:21:37,590
So, I got a question of staff, and I don't have, since I know I have the code in front of me.

1658
02:21:38,150 --> 02:21:46,930
Do you have, have you seen his handout that shows the comparison of uses between the PM and the industrial?

1659
02:21:51,240 --> 02:21:53,900
Yeah, I'm okay. Do you agree with that?

1660
02:21:56,920 --> 02:21:57,800
Yes, and no.

1661
02:21:57,800 --> 02:22:05,120
But the conference of plan policy for phosphate mining says other uses and silvery to phosphate mining.

1662
02:22:05,700 --> 02:22:11,820
So the list that you see with the checks have to be phosphate mining related to be permitted.

1663
02:22:12,820 --> 02:22:17,580
But changing it to industrial allows uses that have no tied to phosphate mining.

1664
02:22:17,740 --> 02:22:23,440
For example, you're going to hear a case later this year that Mosaic is proposing for a pipe extrusion plant.

1665
02:22:23,440 --> 02:22:27,860
But they're changing it to industrial, but they don't have to at least for a timeline.

1666
02:22:28,340 --> 02:22:32,840
So those uses that you see have to be related to phosphate mining for them to be developed.

1667
02:22:33,580 --> 02:22:37,100
That's a policy that's what I thought, because I mean the problem question would be,

1668
02:22:37,380 --> 02:22:40,820
well, why do you need to change it to industrial if you could already do all these issues?

1669
02:22:41,080 --> 02:22:46,140
It gives them a brighter market, a wider market, a wider market, yes, yes.

1670
02:22:47,340 --> 02:22:53,100
And Mr. Bishop, just to follow up, exhibit nine of the staff report page 53 contains a list

1671
02:22:53,100 --> 02:23:04,040
of uses by level review for industrial and then page 54 contains a list of uses for

1672
02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:09,860
phosphate mining. The so what of that is generally more uses are allowed in

1673
02:23:09,860 --> 02:23:12,940
industrial than in phosphate mining.

1674
02:23:12,940 --> 02:23:14,440
I got some.

1675
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:16,360
Okay.

1676
02:23:18,420 --> 02:23:20,520
Any other comments or questions?

1677
02:23:22,420 --> 02:23:23,600
Do we have a motion?

1678
02:23:32,430 --> 02:23:35,130
I wanted to ask staff or our attorney

1679
02:23:35,130 --> 02:23:37,410
about the second notification that went out.

1680
02:23:37,590 --> 02:23:39,670
Some people were saying that that didn't, yeah.

1681
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:41,970
Do we find out about that?

1682
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:45,600
I don't personally.

1683
02:23:45,600 --> 02:23:48,580
Yeah, I meant to ask staff that too, is there any,

1684
02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:49,160
was there?

1685
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:50,780
There was a problem in the notification,

1686
02:23:51,500 --> 02:23:54,300
was the reason that was continued initially,

1687
02:23:54,300 --> 02:23:58,180
And we still heard some comments about notification.

1688
02:23:59,140 --> 02:24:01,530
Just one of you have any response to that.

1689
02:24:07,530 --> 02:24:15,370
Yeah, as far as notice, I pulled this slide up to sort of summarize it.

1690
02:24:16,110 --> 02:24:19,710
We did send mailers out in July for the August hearing.

1691
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:22,740
And what was the distance of that?

1692
02:24:23,250 --> 02:24:25,950
The distance that mailers go out?

1693
02:24:25,950 --> 02:24:26,970
Oh, it's 500?

1694
02:24:27,910 --> 02:24:28,070
Yeah.

1695
02:24:28,530 --> 02:24:29,070
Yeah, 500.

1696
02:24:30,230 --> 02:24:32,710
I know you typically, you can go further than that,

1697
02:24:32,890 --> 02:24:34,910
but I just want to do a requirement, it's 500 feet.

1698
02:24:38,850 --> 02:24:45,070
The reason for the continuous was that the legal ad,

1699
02:24:45,190 --> 02:24:49,370
when in the paper, did not have the required map.

1700
02:24:49,370 --> 02:24:49,810
Okay.

1701
02:24:50,630 --> 02:24:51,790
That was the reason.

1702
02:24:51,810 --> 02:24:52,190
Okay.

1703
02:24:52,190 --> 02:24:55,510
Why there's a defect and notice and that's why I was continued

1704
02:24:56,770 --> 02:24:59,970
Notice what subsequently put in the paper was there additional

1705
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:10,600
General mail notice set out. Yes. Okay. We also mail out 49 mailers on August 17th. Okay. So.

1706
02:25:12,180 --> 02:25:18,780
And I also think that there's three, I think Ms. Howard has mentioned this in previous hearings. There's three forms of advertisement.

1707
02:25:19,620 --> 02:25:26,500
So that one of them reaches the public. And I was one of the staff members that posted the signs on Anderson.

1708
02:25:26,500 --> 02:25:30,580
Yeah, at this time staff is not aware of any deficiencies,

1709
02:25:30,580 --> 02:25:32,080
let's notice.

1710
02:25:33,060 --> 02:25:35,760
And we believe all the requirements have been met.

1711
02:25:38,540 --> 02:25:39,540
OK, thank you.

1712
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:45,060
I'm not ready to make a motion yet.

1713
02:25:45,160 --> 02:25:47,820
I'm just going to explain kind of where I'm thinking.

1714
02:25:48,200 --> 02:25:52,940
I really, I wish that there had been time and communication

1715
02:25:52,940 --> 02:25:54,540
between the applicant and the community,

1716
02:25:54,960 --> 02:25:56,820
because we had community members coming up

1717
02:25:56,820 --> 02:25:59,480
talking about things as if it was still part of this application.

1718
02:26:02,680 --> 02:26:27,680
I see it much more clearly than I did when all of this first started, and I'm honestly still a little torn on how to vote on this, because on the one hand we have property owner who has a massive piece of property that anybody who lives out there knew it was not going to stay that, you know, this is going to change, so, you know, I don't know, do we want to talk any kind of opinions? I'm still kind of tossed up.

1719
02:26:29,470 --> 02:26:35,410
Well, I'll just say this, because I have had experience in dealing with phosphate mind property.

1720
02:26:36,510 --> 02:26:42,050
And phosphate minding is in my mind, has always been considered a temporary use.

1721
02:26:42,130 --> 02:26:43,430
I mean, you mind it.

1722
02:26:43,630 --> 02:26:50,510
And there's multiple examples in Focany where phosphate mind is changed to other uses.

1723
02:26:51,330 --> 02:27:00,630
even residential uses, recreation uses, environmental uses, industrial, commercial, you name it.

1724
02:27:00,910 --> 02:27:03,630
There's multiple places, particularly South Lake and a lot of that.

1725
02:27:03,630 --> 02:27:09,790
Most of that property on South Florida Avenue, when you get south of Shepherd Road,

1726
02:27:10,890 --> 02:27:14,050
even Imperial Lakes and Christina, that was all mine.

1727
02:27:15,070 --> 02:27:19,810
All that property south of Shepherd Road, all that commercial was formerly mine.

1728
02:27:19,810 --> 02:27:26,430
So to say that it's always going to be phosphate mining is just not realistic.

1729
02:27:27,890 --> 02:27:34,670
So from the standpoint of this is located some distance from existing development, but

1730
02:27:34,670 --> 02:27:41,690
that's not to say that it can't develop and so my guess opinion is that probably one of

1731
02:27:41,690 --> 02:27:49,130
the better uses of industrial land if it can support it is probably industrial because that's

1732
02:27:49,130 --> 02:27:56,250
we've seen across, you know, from 60, between Bartoe and Mulberry, most of that property that

1733
02:27:56,250 --> 02:28:03,370
we see industrial development on was formerly mine. So it's a matter of is this in the right

1734
02:28:03,370 --> 02:28:12,650
location. I think the use is appropriate, is it the right location? And I'm not sure I have a

1735
02:28:12,650 --> 02:28:18,650
on that. I mean, I think the use is, by being as a use as appropriate.

1736
02:28:21,130 --> 02:28:21,730
Mr. Chairman,

1737
02:28:22,670 --> 02:28:29,490
also, we need to keep in mind, we're making a recommendation to board of our county commissioners here.

1738
02:28:30,550 --> 02:28:37,770
And you can, all of us can go attend that meeting as well, make our comments, but in the interest of time,

1739
02:28:38,670 --> 02:28:43,290
Mr. Melem's did a great job of explaining what exactly he was doing.

1740
02:28:43,430 --> 02:28:48,890
I was confused at the beginning, but I'm no more confused now.

1741
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:56,630
And I'd like to make a motion to approve LDPD-2026-12, and it's entire four of the

1742
02:28:56,630 --> 02:28:59,650
residential, as amended by the applicant.

1743
02:29:00,870 --> 02:29:01,130
Yes, sir.

1744
02:29:01,570 --> 02:29:03,150
I think that's a wrong number.

1745
02:29:03,950 --> 02:29:04,710
It's a wrong number.

1746
02:29:07,190 --> 02:29:22,610
Now it's number 7, LBCPL 2025, that's the correct number, and just to clarify, that's just for a change from phosphate mining to land use change only.

1747
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:25,950
Yes, so I'll second that.

1748
02:29:26,010 --> 02:29:30,490
Okay, motion second to approve the amended motion, amended application.

1749
02:29:31,070 --> 02:29:33,590
Role College. Angel Sims.

1750
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:37,110
For the motion. Kevin Updike.

1751
02:29:37,350 --> 02:29:39,170
For the motion. Chad Baron.

1752
02:29:39,470 --> 02:29:40,970
For the motion. Brooke Egg Neenine.

1753
02:29:41,170 --> 02:29:42,490
For the motion. Murl Bishop.

1754
02:29:42,610 --> 02:29:44,510
For the motion. Cindy Jenna Mosso.

1755
02:29:44,710 --> 02:29:47,550
For the motion. Shane Bevelard.

1756
02:29:48,290 --> 02:29:49,930
I'm going to say that.

1757
02:29:51,250 --> 02:29:51,690
Bevelard.

1758
02:29:51,690 --> 02:29:51,710
Bevelard.

1759
02:29:52,170 --> 02:29:53,710
There you go. For the motion.

1760
02:29:55,610 --> 02:29:56,270
Motion passes.

1761
02:29:57,450 --> 02:29:58,130
Thank you. Okay.

1762
02:29:58,130 --> 02:29:59,850
Now we need action on

1763
02:30:00,460 --> 02:30:14,440
The corresponding text amendment, LDCT 2025-15, as previously mentioned staff recognizes that because of the change in the request, this is no longer needed.

1764
02:30:15,160 --> 02:30:19,460
So we're making a motion to withdraw, please.

1765
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:21,360
Motion to accept the withdrawal.

1766
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:22,940
Motion to accept the withdrawal.

1767
02:30:22,940 --> 02:30:31,480
I'll make a motion to accept the withdrawal of LBCT-202515 in just a second.

1768
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:32,460
Okay.

1769
02:30:32,600 --> 02:30:34,640
All in favor of seeing what I'm the same eye.

1770
02:30:34,720 --> 02:30:35,220
Aye.

1771
02:30:36,260 --> 02:30:37,000
Those things fine.

1772
02:30:37,420 --> 02:30:37,440
Okay.

1773
02:30:40,200 --> 02:30:40,700
Nice, guys.

1774
02:30:40,920 --> 02:30:41,260
Thank you.

1775
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:43,340
All right.

1776
02:30:43,400 --> 02:30:44,140
Next on the agenda.

1777
02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:47,500
Number nine is LDP-2026-12.

1778
02:30:47,500 --> 02:30:51,300
It's the plant development request for 178 town hominets in Northeastern

1779
02:30:51,300 --> 02:30:51,900
Polk County.

1780
02:30:52,520 --> 02:30:54,000
Carl Rogus is your planner.

1781
02:31:17,860 --> 02:31:18,340
Apologies.

1782
02:31:18,700 --> 02:31:19,600
Sorry for the wait.

1783
02:31:22,930 --> 02:31:25,090
If we can hold up just a second.

1784
02:31:31,030 --> 02:31:32,210
We can be just a minute.

1785
02:31:32,650 --> 02:31:33,090
Yeah, absolutely.

1786
02:31:34,070 --> 02:31:35,370
I've gotten, I need time as well.

1787
02:31:45,370 --> 02:31:45,390
Okay.

1788
02:31:45,390 --> 02:31:46,930
Shane, I promise I'm going to get this right.

1789
02:31:47,230 --> 02:31:49,110
I'm going to get this right.

1790
02:31:49,110 --> 02:31:51,170
I don't really know.

1791
02:31:51,470 --> 02:31:52,370
Because I know somebody else.

1792
02:31:52,610 --> 02:31:53,730
I've got that name for years ago.

1793
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:54,550
Is that Italian?

1794
02:31:54,830 --> 02:31:55,070
There.

1795
02:31:55,730 --> 02:31:57,250
I should be able to say that.

1796
02:32:12,060 --> 02:32:18,440
I'm very embarrassed that this moment, my grand mother would be here in the east.

1797
02:33:53,880 --> 02:33:54,440
Presbyed.

1798
02:33:55,120 --> 02:33:55,360
All right.

1799
02:33:55,560 --> 02:33:55,820
Good morning.

1800
02:33:56,020 --> 02:34:01,940
Kyle Roves-Witland Development, presenting LVPD-2026-12, the same I wrote in the plan development.

1801
02:34:02,540 --> 02:34:06,720
The applicant is requesting a plan development approval for 178 multi-family townhold

1802
02:34:06,720 --> 02:34:09,660
units, and I'm approximately 29.18 acres.

1803
02:34:09,660 --> 02:34:14,660
The request includes increased density and reductions rear set back and the residential

1804
02:34:14,660 --> 02:34:16,620
low one-futual land use district.

1805
02:34:17,360 --> 02:34:21,980
On August 17th, 183 millers were sent to area property owners, three boards were posted

1806
02:34:21,980 --> 02:34:26,480
on the property, August 17th, a legal ad was published in the late land and winter havens

1807
02:34:26,480 --> 02:34:26,780
sun.

1808
02:34:27,260 --> 02:34:30,240
On August 19th, staff has received no response from the public.

1809
02:34:30,740 --> 02:34:34,440
Staff finds the request is compatible with the surrounding area and consistent with the

1810
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:36,220
comprehensive plan on land development code.

1811
02:34:36,260 --> 02:34:37,140
Staff recommends approval.

1812
02:34:39,590 --> 02:34:44,110
The subject site is located on the south side of Samai Road, North of Dean Still Road,

1813
02:34:44,370 --> 02:34:50,090
south of Samai Road, east of Commonwealth Avenue, west of U.S. 27, Section 14, Township

1814
02:34:50,090 --> 02:34:51,750
25, Range 26.

1815
02:34:54,280 --> 02:34:58,160
The subject site is located in the residential low one-putroland use district and the transit

1816
02:34:58,160 --> 02:34:59,960
support of development area, through a system.

1817
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:07,600
Small portion of the site within the core future land use district, and its underlying rural development area isolated to the southwest corner of the site.

1818
02:35:08,020 --> 02:35:19,000
The density of women in the residential low one district in the north, US-27 selected area plan is up to eight dwelling units per acre by achieving at least 20 bonus points without planned development process.

1819
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:25,660
The planned development you have today's approval is not required for purposes of density, rather for the unit type and setbacks.

1820
02:35:26,240 --> 02:35:30,160
I'm sorry would say that again, I'm just going to do.

1821
02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:34,440
The plan development you have today is not for the increased density.

1822
02:35:34,680 --> 02:35:38,740
It's already allowed within the future land use district in the north US.

1823
02:35:38,980 --> 02:35:40,140
Okay, seven selected area plan.

1824
02:35:40,500 --> 02:35:40,700
That is zero.

1825
02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:41,060
Thank you.

1826
02:35:41,440 --> 02:35:42,760
Thank you.

1827
02:35:46,660 --> 02:35:49,800
So all the majority of the site is within the transit supported development area.

1828
02:35:49,900 --> 02:35:52,380
Apportion is within the world development area to the west.

1829
02:35:52,740 --> 02:35:57,320
From a public investment standpoint, urban services, urban level services are expected and available

1830
02:35:57,320 --> 02:35:58,120
at this location.

1831
02:35:58,120 --> 02:36:09,430
This property was originally part of the required open space for PUD99904 when Density was limited to 4 units per acre and 50% open space was required.

1832
02:36:10,130 --> 02:36:20,990
In 2001, the North US Highway 27 selected area plan was amended and development in the residential load districts were permitted to achieve up to eight dwelling units per acre with only 30% open space.

1833
02:36:20,990 --> 02:36:29,410
In 2018, PD-801 requested to remove the property from PD-904 and approve development in its place.

1834
02:36:30,410 --> 02:36:36,350
PD-801 was planned for 184 short-term rental town homes and associated amenities.

1835
02:36:37,130 --> 02:36:42,750
On February 7, 2018, the case was heard before the planning commission with staff recommendation of approval with conditions.

1836
02:36:43,130 --> 02:36:45,950
The planning commission denied the case with a 6-1 vote.

1837
02:36:48,190 --> 02:36:54,750
This request will remove the property from PD904 once again, and improve a new development in its place.

1838
02:36:55,110 --> 02:37:00,250
The proposed development will continue a residential town home development, because seeing of 178 units.

1839
02:37:01,390 --> 02:37:06,430
This request is less than the previously heard case, lowering the overall density of the site,

1840
02:37:06,730 --> 02:37:09,910
and it is important to note that short-term rentals are not a part of this request.

1841
02:37:12,120 --> 02:37:17,720
Two of the abutting developments are multifamily town homes, the same as the proposed, with similar densities as well.

1842
02:37:17,720 --> 02:37:23,520
The green-bay mine borders the western side of the proposed development, but there will be no mining activity nearby

1843
02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:31,420
Is there significant amount of land under a conservation easement held by the state of Florida that provides much distance between mining activities in the residents

1844
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:40,780
While the subject property abuts the Highlands reserve single-family subdivision for nearly a half mile only a quarter of that abuts residences the number of resident

1845
02:37:40,780 --> 02:37:44,140
So the unit's directly, but in the subject side, is 22 units.

1846
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:46,620
How identified is lots, 31 through 52.

1847
02:37:47,320 --> 02:37:50,580
It will be these units here, off of New Hampton Road.

1848
02:37:53,890 --> 02:37:55,330
Here's the site plan for the record.

1849
02:37:55,850 --> 02:37:59,230
The total density proposed is 7.462 units per acre,

1850
02:37:59,690 --> 02:38:03,290
with mixed units that include 128 foot wide lots,

1851
02:38:03,490 --> 02:38:06,230
and 54 foot wide corner lots.

1852
02:38:07,050 --> 02:38:08,590
The setback for the proposed development,

1853
02:38:08,730 --> 02:38:11,910
as the pick that on the site plan, will be front, 25 feet,

1854
02:38:11,910 --> 02:38:16,910
side 10 feet and the reduction to the rear step back from 15 to 10 feet.

1855
02:38:17,310 --> 02:38:22,210
The submitted site plan shows proposed type B landscape buffers, along the single family

1856
02:38:22,210 --> 02:38:26,470
residences to the south and east of the site, along with a type A landscape buffer,

1857
02:38:26,470 --> 02:38:27,670
along Santa Mayan Road.

1858
02:38:30,670 --> 02:38:32,810
While the request is compatible with the surrounding area,

1859
02:38:33,030 --> 02:38:36,330
as the residential densities are very similar to what is being requested.

1860
02:38:36,910 --> 02:38:40,290
The argument can be made for incompatibility with the multi-family town home

1861
02:38:40,290 --> 02:38:45,130
developments about a single-family detached units. According to the site plan, there's

1862
02:38:45,130 --> 02:38:50,970
a approximately 640 foot strip of single-family homes about in the multi-family is anticipated

1863
02:38:50,970 --> 02:38:56,290
to have the most incompatibilities. As part of the applicant's mitigation techniques, it

1864
02:38:56,290 --> 02:39:00,930
required type be landscape buffer separates the developments in addition to changing grade.

1865
02:39:01,510 --> 02:39:06,310
Multi-family developments set on a single grade where a single or multi-family development

1866
02:39:06,310 --> 02:39:09,850
it on a single-rad, red single-family developments can vary in grading.

1867
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:17,720
The proposed town-oems are 336 feet in height, making the development in minimum two

1868
02:39:17,720 --> 02:39:21,840
stories high, providing single families, the lower-grade separation from the town-home

1869
02:39:21,840 --> 02:39:25,380
developments to the Highland Reserve, or offset any inter-patipology

1870
02:39:25,380 --> 02:39:28,680
of these different structures structure heights.

1871
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:34,760
It has been mentioned previously that only 22 single-family homes

1872
02:39:34,760 --> 02:39:36,500
directly about the subject site.

1873
02:39:37,080 --> 02:39:42,980
However, of these 22 homes, only 11 single family homes along that 604 foot boundary will

1874
02:39:42,980 --> 02:39:45,020
butt town homes at a ratio of 2 to 1.

1875
02:39:45,380 --> 02:39:50,640
These town homes are situated in development blocks, with no greater than 16 units wide

1876
02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:51,440
without separation.

1877
02:39:52,300 --> 02:39:56,780
This design condenses the town homes, leaving portions of the open space between the blocks,

1878
02:39:56,940 --> 02:39:58,160
providing it break in the design.

1879
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:05,080
A ratio of two to one, the single family dwellers will have two neighboring faith, two neighbors facing their

1880
02:40:05,080 --> 02:40:09,560
backyards, where they have enjoyed a vacant and highly vegetated property since 2001.

1881
02:40:12,230 --> 02:40:16,810
Here is the amenity plan, an open space plan submitted for the record, for a multiple type

1882
02:40:16,810 --> 02:40:22,150
one in type two amenities ranging from top lots to multi-use trails surrounding the stormwater retention

1883
02:40:22,150 --> 02:40:29,870
ponds. The site has exceeded the minimum amenity requirements of 178 points. All recreation spaces will be connected by

1884
02:40:29,870 --> 02:40:35,150
sidewalks, and all lots will be within 1,300 feet walking distance to these amenities.

1885
02:40:36,010 --> 02:40:41,450
Residential developments within the rural, special production area greater than 4-0 units per acre

1886
02:40:41,450 --> 02:40:46,490
must provide a minimum open space set aside of no less than 40 percent of the total area.

1887
02:40:47,070 --> 02:40:54,530
The submitted site plan shows 12.73 acres of open space, which equates to approximately 43.63%.

1888
02:40:54,530 --> 02:40:58,650
The request meets the parking requirements outlined in table 710, so the land development

1889
02:40:58,650 --> 02:41:03,150
code and the additional parking spaces required for developments exceeding 5 doing and it's

1890
02:41:03,150 --> 02:41:08,010
per acre from table 3.48 in section 303 of the land development code.

1891
02:41:11,240 --> 02:41:16,800
One access point is proposed office sign my road has been identified on the site plan, sign

1892
02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:22,120
mine road has a capacity to support 880 peak hour trips and available capacity for an additional

1893
02:41:23,120 --> 02:41:27,000
554 trips eastbound and 567 trips westbound.

1894
02:41:27,000 --> 02:41:29,600
before the link service level is degraded.

1895
02:41:29,740 --> 02:41:31,180
Until the traffic study is complete,

1896
02:41:31,740 --> 02:41:32,840
at the time of level two review,

1897
02:41:33,020 --> 02:41:35,860
there is no immediate way to gauge the exact impact

1898
02:41:35,860 --> 02:41:37,860
the development will have on each road link.

1899
02:41:37,940 --> 02:41:39,920
However, the portion of the 36 vehicles

1900
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:43,140
exiting the site during PMPIC hour traveling north

1901
02:41:43,140 --> 02:41:46,380
on US27 will likely be the least of all travel

1902
02:41:46,380 --> 02:41:48,900
directions since it's counter to the normal travel

1903
02:41:48,900 --> 02:41:50,140
former residential developments.

1904
02:41:54,180 --> 02:41:56,460
This development will be required to connect to water

1905
02:41:56,460 --> 02:42:00,260
and sewer, the site is serviced by the North East region,

1906
02:42:00,440 --> 02:42:04,120
recently utility service area, and has adequate capacity of water and wastewater.

1907
02:42:04,560 --> 02:42:06,080
The nearest available line is to the serve.

1908
02:42:06,180 --> 02:42:10,340
The proposed development is a 10-inch portable main on the North East corner of the property,

1909
02:42:10,860 --> 02:42:12,520
located on the south side of Samline Road.

1910
02:42:13,020 --> 02:42:17,540
The same 10-inch portable main will service the townhome developments to the north.

1911
02:42:18,760 --> 02:42:21,500
A public lift station is located approximately 440

1912
02:42:21,500 --> 02:42:25,780
when you're feet north of the property were a 4-inch and 8-inch sewer line

1913
02:42:25,780 --> 02:42:27,700
converged for their surrounding developments.

1914
02:42:31,300 --> 02:42:32,820
If we're proof for the request of PD,

1915
02:42:33,180 --> 02:42:36,660
the items listed on the screen will need to be reviewed by staff during the level 2 phase.

1916
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:40,720
This includes flood study, species walkover and a major traffic study.

1917
02:42:41,140 --> 02:42:45,000
Sidewalks will be required along the front edge of the site along Santa Minor Road.

1918
02:42:48,120 --> 02:42:50,780
And staff finds that plan is compatible with the surrounding uses.

1919
02:42:51,040 --> 02:42:55,500
There are a number of developments to the north and northeast that have similar densities and unit types.

1920
02:42:55,500 --> 02:43:01,280
It meets or exceeds the all-plan development standards, it meets the goals and sections of the comprehensive plan of land of home.

1921
02:43:01,660 --> 02:43:05,960
I request that the presentation be submitted to the record and with that I'll stand for questions.

1922
02:43:07,920 --> 02:43:09,100
Any questions or staff?

1923
02:43:10,960 --> 02:43:13,660
I just want to make sure I heard you correctly. Those are 11 houses in the back.

1924
02:43:15,980 --> 02:43:23,120
The two-story townhouses, they're mitigating that kind of view down in the backyard with an additional buffer.

1925
02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:34,220
Yes, so there is a required from Section 720 of the land development code multi family, which is how we're classifying the town homes, does require a type elanscape offer when inviting single family.

1926
02:43:34,520 --> 02:43:43,400
So they are proposing that type elanscape buffer along this entire 604 feet boundary that abuts that highlands reserve development.

1927
02:43:43,400 --> 02:43:50,860
but of that 664 fee, you only have 11 homes along this southern boundary that will be

1928
02:43:50,860 --> 02:43:54,540
directly having neighbors in their backyard. They're using the stormwater drive

1929
02:43:54,540 --> 02:44:00,440
upon in addition to that required landscape buffer, type landscape buffer, to mitigate for

1930
02:44:00,440 --> 02:44:05,650
those other 11 homes to the south. Great, thank you. And has the school board been

1931
02:44:05,650 --> 02:44:13,650
on discussed with us to the increase on children in that area in the schools available.

1932
02:44:14,570 --> 02:44:21,270
The schools and listed capacity have been identified on page if I can put through quick enough

1933
02:44:21,270 --> 02:44:23,770
on page 10 of the staff report.

1934
02:44:25,170 --> 02:44:25,210
Yes.

1935
02:44:26,290 --> 02:44:26,770
She's here.

1936
02:44:26,970 --> 02:44:27,050
Yes.

1937
02:44:27,210 --> 02:44:27,530
Good morning.

1938
02:44:27,710 --> 02:44:29,350
Melissa's last seen our school board.

1939
02:44:29,930 --> 02:44:33,470
They actually did a non-binding school concurrency letter.

1940
02:44:33,470 --> 02:44:36,170
and it should act at this point, it does have capacity.

1941
02:44:36,770 --> 02:44:38,250
Of course if this does get approved,

1942
02:44:38,450 --> 02:44:39,810
during the level two, they'll have to apply

1943
02:44:39,810 --> 02:44:41,410
for the binding and currency letter

1944
02:44:41,410 --> 02:44:43,190
to make sure they're invested for the project.

1945
02:44:43,850 --> 02:44:44,290
Perfect, thank you.

1946
02:44:44,330 --> 02:44:44,870
You're welcome.

1947
02:44:48,370 --> 02:44:49,450
Any other questions?

1948
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:53,690
Yes, I actually have one additional question.

1949
02:44:53,990 --> 02:44:57,710
So there's 11 homes that lined up, but up against it,

1950
02:44:57,950 --> 02:44:59,070
what's the playing difference?

1951
02:44:59,110 --> 02:44:59,970
The grading difference.

1952
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:27,140
Between the two. I don't have that information right now. That will be addressed during the level two review when we have more of an engineered site plan review. But to that point, the multi-family developments usually sit on a single grade. So they'll have to do some grading changes to the site to accommodate for that development. And how that will affect with the proposed 36 foot height structures compared to the single family, a kind of mitigates or offsets, some incompatibility to that extent.

1953
02:45:27,140 --> 02:45:27,220
Any

1954
02:45:31,830 --> 02:45:33,470
other questions?

1955
02:45:36,870 --> 02:45:37,910
Thank you.

1956
02:45:38,430 --> 02:45:46,710
At this time, I'll open up the hearing to the public and ask is there anyone present to speak in favor of this application?

1957
02:45:48,430 --> 02:45:49,670
First, I'm sorry.

1958
02:45:49,890 --> 02:45:51,370
I'm getting ahead of myself again.

1959
02:45:52,550 --> 02:45:53,810
Is the applicant present?

1960
02:45:55,530 --> 02:45:56,050
Yes, sir.

1961
02:45:56,510 --> 02:45:57,530
Good morning, Mr. Chairman.

1962
02:45:58,150 --> 02:46:00,170
Members of the Commission, my name is Doug Kelly.

1963
02:46:00,170 --> 02:46:05,870
I'm a land planning manager with the England Thames and Miller, we're E.T.M. for short,

1964
02:46:06,170 --> 02:46:13,410
Reno Orlando, and we are the applicant, and also represent the property owner this particular

1965
02:46:13,410 --> 02:46:21,550
development. There's some great questions about sort of the compatibility, the distance,

1966
02:46:22,050 --> 02:46:28,190
between existing single family and our proposed project. I will say that the site design has

1967
02:46:28,190 --> 02:46:30,670
It's definitely not been finalized.

1968
02:46:31,270 --> 02:46:34,470
There's a tremendous amount of change and grade on that property

1969
02:46:34,470 --> 02:46:36,350
primarily because it's been altered.

1970
02:46:36,790 --> 02:46:40,830
It's a motor car off-site, lots of hills and bumps.

1971
02:46:41,610 --> 02:46:45,190
There's about a two to three-foot difference in grade right now

1972
02:46:45,190 --> 02:46:51,410
between the subdivision to our south and to our overall elevation

1973
02:46:52,300 --> 02:46:53,850
along the property line there.

1974
02:46:53,850 --> 02:46:58,130
but we definitely take into account concerns

1975
02:46:58,130 --> 02:47:00,590
with single family to the south.

1976
02:47:01,050 --> 02:47:03,990
And the building footprint that we're asking for

1977
02:47:03,990 --> 02:47:06,630
and the setbacks are really the maximum.

1978
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:10,590
We don't have a product type for this site yet.

1979
02:47:10,990 --> 02:47:13,830
So there's always a chance that the building pads

1980
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:17,590
will not exceed, will it cannot exceed the maximum,

1981
02:47:17,950 --> 02:47:20,170
but they will be potentially smaller

1982
02:47:20,170 --> 02:47:22,410
and the setbacks may actually increase,

1983
02:47:22,410 --> 02:47:28,950
but we just don't have a particular product type at this time, but understand your concerns and

1984
02:47:28,950 --> 02:47:31,530
happy to answer any other questions you might have.

1985
02:47:32,490 --> 02:47:33,070
Thank you.

1986
02:47:33,170 --> 02:47:33,270
Thank you.

1987
02:47:33,270 --> 02:47:34,270
Any questions of the applicant?

1988
02:47:36,780 --> 02:47:37,180
Seeing none.

1989
02:47:37,560 --> 02:47:38,500
Thank you.

1990
02:47:39,460 --> 02:47:40,760
Now, I'll open it up to the public.

1991
02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:43,560
Anyone to speak in favor of the application?

1992
02:47:45,300 --> 02:47:48,360
Seeing none, anyone to speak in opposition to this application?

1993
02:47:50,660 --> 02:47:55,280
Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the commission for discussion and emotion.

1994
02:47:55,280 --> 02:47:56,200
I'm

1995
02:48:01,160 --> 02:48:08,240
Mr. Chair. I move to approve L.D. PD-26-12. Angel Sims.

1996
02:48:09,440 --> 02:48:14,100
Kevin Updack. Second. Motion. Second. To approve roll call please.

1997
02:48:14,920 --> 02:48:18,020
Angel Sims. For the motion. Kevin Updack. For the motion.

1998
02:48:18,740 --> 02:48:22,440
Chad Baron. For the motion. Brooke Agneany. For the motion.

1999
02:48:22,440 --> 02:48:24,000
Marl-Beschott.

2000
02:48:24,180 --> 02:48:24,760
Marl-Beschott.

2001
02:48:25,060 --> 02:48:27,140
Cindy Giannamasso for the motion.

2002
02:48:27,940 --> 02:48:29,660
Shane Bevela Quah.

2003
02:48:30,120 --> 02:48:31,140
For the motion.

2004
02:48:32,580 --> 02:48:33,480
Sorry, Shane.

2005
02:48:34,400 --> 02:48:34,940
Motion passes.

2006
02:48:35,180 --> 02:48:36,200
Thank you.

2007
02:48:39,800 --> 02:48:40,860
Okay, nice to see you.

2008
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:41,700
All right, good morning.

2009
02:48:41,880 --> 02:48:42,820
E&S, Land Development.

2010
02:48:43,500 --> 02:48:50,100
Staff recommends approval of LDPD-2026-13 and request for 151 single family lots on approximately

2011
02:48:50,100 --> 02:48:53,240
58 acres in a residential low-one future land use district.

2012
02:48:53,240 --> 02:49:04,240
For the record on August 17th, 45 males were sent to area property owners, and August 14th, 3 boards were posted, and on August 19th, illegal adverse published, staff has received one response and opposition.

2013
02:49:06,330 --> 02:49:14,570
The subject side is located east of Alderman Road, north of west of Swindell Road, north of 5-4, and north of west of the city of Lakeland and section 18, township 28, range 23.

2014
02:49:15,410 --> 02:49:20,770
The subject parcels are approximately 133 acres, but the project area will occupy approximately

2015
02:49:20,770 --> 02:49:23,630
63 acres of which 58 are upland.

2016
02:49:24,270 --> 02:49:28,150
This is in the Itchapack Assass of Basin, described by the county as a strained or stressed

2017
02:49:28,150 --> 02:49:30,370
basin because of constrained stormwater outfall.

2018
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:34,530
The site is in proximity to I-4, the Polk Parkway in U.S. 92.

2019
02:49:35,350 --> 02:49:39,310
This is near major employment areas with multiple warehousing and distribution, manufacturing,

2020
02:49:39,630 --> 02:49:43,190
and office uses low-cate along this I-4 corridor and down county line road.

2021
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:55,890
The future land use map is on the right, the properties are split between residential low one and agricultural residential rural, but the residential development will take place in R01 on the southern half.

2022
02:49:56,470 --> 02:49:59,970
R01 generally requires 40,000 square foot lots and densities of

2023
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:05,240
One-to-one unit per acre, given the location of this property and relation those major roads and employment

2024
02:50:05,240 --> 02:50:11,200
opportunities, it is mapped within a transit corridor overlay by the Comprehensive Plan. This overlay allows

2025
02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:14,320
densities here to range up to 25 dwelling units per acre.

2026
02:50:17,500 --> 02:50:19,900
What is proposed today is a 151 loss with a

2027
02:50:19,900 --> 02:50:25,700
density of 2.61 dwelling units per acre. These lots will be reduced to 6,000 square feet, but maintained

2028
02:50:25,700 --> 02:50:30,740
the RL-1 setbacks, access is proposed on the Swindell and Alderman Roads.

2029
02:50:32,020 --> 02:50:35,560
The Land Development Code requires a locational eligibility score for planned developments to

2030
02:50:35,560 --> 02:50:39,460
determine the allowable density on a property based on proximity to infrastructure and

2031
02:50:39,460 --> 02:50:40,480
environmental impacts.

2032
02:50:41,340 --> 02:50:45,880
Potable water and wastewater adjacent to the site, there is access to an urban collector road

2033
02:50:45,880 --> 02:50:49,560
way in Swindell, and the site is near retail and major employers.

2034
02:50:50,160 --> 02:50:53,160
The proposed densities easily achieved after evaluating these factors.

2035
02:50:53,980 --> 02:50:58,800
The PD process also requires a minimum of 20% open space, not counting wetlands.

2036
02:50:59,340 --> 02:51:03,440
This is achieved through wetland buffers and hence landscape buffers and amenity areas,

2037
02:51:03,620 --> 02:51:07,500
which will include passive recreation such as totlots, dog parks, and picnic civilians.

2038
02:51:08,300 --> 02:51:12,100
In addition, there is anticipated to be 11 acres of stormwater facilities in five and

2039
02:51:12,100 --> 02:51:13,900
half acres of wetlands of surface water.

2040
02:51:15,180 --> 02:51:19,720
The PD process also requires additional parking areas beyond the two driveway spaces required

2041
02:51:19,720 --> 02:51:26,160
pre-unit, this request meets that criteria, providing an additional 16 spots. The LDC requires internal

2042
02:51:26,160 --> 02:51:31,320
sidewalks, 25-foot garage setbacks from an internal road-rights-way, pedestrian safety lighting

2043
02:51:31,320 --> 02:51:35,540
at the entrance to the site and all lighting must be shielded or recessed.

2044
02:51:37,720 --> 02:51:38,360
The clip on the right

2045
02:51:38,360 --> 02:51:43,240
shows the proposed plan relative to surrounding uses. This is all single-family developments surrounding

2046
02:51:43,240 --> 02:51:49,160
the property, to the east-west and north. Most of these are larger lots there than what is proposed

2047
02:51:49,160 --> 02:51:51,340
and many of these were developed prior to the land development

2048
02:51:51,340 --> 02:51:52,700
code and copper hence the plan.

2049
02:51:53,540 --> 02:51:55,680
To address compatibility concerns, the applicant has

2050
02:51:55,680 --> 02:51:59,380
posed the 25-foot wide type C-buffer along Ottoman road

2051
02:51:59,380 --> 02:52:02,460
which provide additional separation between the proposed homes

2052
02:52:02,460 --> 02:52:03,680
and those on the west side of Ottoman.

2053
02:52:04,500 --> 02:52:06,920
Open space and type B landscaping is planned alone

2054
02:52:06,920 --> 02:52:09,940
to eastern property line, where adjacent to larger acreage

2055
02:52:09,940 --> 02:52:13,200
single-family residences, and the little red circles on the site

2056
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:14,860
plan are those additional parking areas.

2057
02:52:17,760 --> 02:52:20,020
This is a brief impact assessment from the evaluations

2058
02:52:20,020 --> 02:52:25,080
of available public services as a detailed and a staff report and short capacity as available

2059
02:52:25,080 --> 02:52:30,180
in schools, utilities and on the surrounding roadways. Water and sewer will be provided

2060
02:52:30,180 --> 02:52:33,940
by the City of Lakeland and all of this points the time limits of this development as required

2061
02:52:33,940 --> 02:52:36,380
by the comprehensive plan and land development code.

2062
02:52:38,490 --> 02:52:40,950
Can I last water view of the area? Again,

2063
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:45,670
there's this confluence of major roads here and nearby employment opportunities. Placing higher

2064
02:52:45,670 --> 02:52:50,930
density development near these features is good planning. It reduces travel times for commuters and

2065
02:52:50,930 --> 02:52:52,830
It incentivizes public transit opportunities.

2066
02:52:53,910 --> 02:52:57,630
At the top left are the tests still to be reviewed during the level two review process.

2067
02:52:58,150 --> 02:53:01,690
The stormwater plans are critical in this area and a major traffic study will be required

2068
02:53:01,690 --> 02:53:06,230
to evaluate the impact of this development on the roadway network into identify any necessary

2069
02:53:06,230 --> 02:53:06,930
improvements.

2070
02:53:09,760 --> 02:53:13,680
Again, staff recommends approval is application, this is single family housing, a mid-single

2071
02:53:13,680 --> 02:53:18,200
family housing, site plan demonstrates compatibility with surrounding properties through the

2072
02:53:18,200 --> 02:53:21,400
layout and use of open space to buffer between larger existing lots.

2073
02:53:21,400 --> 02:53:30,020
The application is consistent with the relevant sections of the comprehensive plan and land development code as they pertain to plan developments and with that I think you will stand for questions.

2074
02:53:32,620 --> 02:53:34,780
Any questions or staff?

2075
02:53:36,400 --> 02:53:38,660
Was the city a likeman bed fund?

2076
02:53:39,020 --> 02:53:39,800
Yes sir.

2077
02:53:40,120 --> 02:53:44,260
And as comments should be towards the end of the staff report.

2078
02:53:44,300 --> 02:53:45,920
I believe I incorporated them here.

2079
02:53:46,220 --> 02:53:49,040
And I know the applicants had conversations with the city of Lakeland 2.

2080
02:53:49,320 --> 02:53:51,260
In the page 18 of the staff report of local instruments.

2081
02:53:51,800 --> 02:53:52,500
Thank you.

2082
02:53:54,670 --> 02:54:00,290
Okay. Any other questions? Seeing none of us out, I'm going to come forward.

2083
02:54:50,420 --> 02:54:50,660
Good morning,

2084
02:54:50,800 --> 02:54:53,860
Commissioner. It's for the record. My name is Bart Allen. I'm a land user attorney with the

2085
02:54:53,860 --> 02:54:59,620
Petersen and Myers Law firm. I address his 225 East Limit Street Lakeland Florida. I'm here this morning.

2086
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:09,120
Half of the applicant felcon, felcon group. Before I get into my case, I wanted to just do a couple kind of

2087
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:15,040
housekeeping type things. One, I intend to go through most of the presentation this morning, but

2088
02:55:15,040 --> 02:55:20,880
I do have Justin Ham, with us this morning, Justin is a professional engineer with the Kimlin

2089
02:55:20,880 --> 02:55:27,800
who aren't engineering firm. He's been handling the site planning and the land of element issues on

2090
02:55:27,800 --> 02:55:32,760
This project, he's a professional engineer and has been admitted by this board as well as the board

2091
02:55:32,760 --> 02:55:38,480
of County Commissioner on Prior Occasions as an expert witness to the extent we need Mr.

2092
02:55:38,600 --> 02:55:39,860
Pam to speak this morning.

2093
02:55:40,040 --> 02:55:42,580
I'd like him to enter as an expert witness.

2094
02:55:42,860 --> 02:55:46,820
I have copies of his resume in case anybody would like it for purposes of the record.

2095
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:50,580
Do I have a motion to that effect?

2096
02:55:51,600 --> 02:55:52,700
I move to approve.

2097
02:55:52,900 --> 02:55:53,120
Okay.

2098
02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:53,720
Motion.

2099
02:55:53,960 --> 02:55:54,320
Second.

2100
02:55:54,600 --> 02:55:55,000
All in favor?

2101
02:55:55,300 --> 02:55:55,540
I.

2102
02:55:55,540 --> 02:55:55,980
Hi.

2103
02:55:57,380 --> 02:55:58,420
Thank you very much.

2104
02:55:58,940 --> 02:56:03,560
Again, to pleasure to be here this morning, I'm going to, we've been here for a little

2105
02:56:03,560 --> 02:56:03,760
bit.

2106
02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:04,960
It's already today.

2107
02:56:05,100 --> 02:56:06,680
So I'm going to try and move through my slides.

2108
02:56:06,940 --> 02:56:10,940
I tried to shorten them as much as I possibly could, but there are a few things that

2109
02:56:10,940 --> 02:56:15,800
I think are important that we talk about related to this project.

2110
02:56:15,940 --> 02:56:21,300
Mr. Nance has already given you the overview from the staff report, which I appreciate

2111
02:56:21,300 --> 02:56:26,420
He's done a very thorough job, and you're going to see a little bit of duplication in some of my slides.

2112
02:56:27,560 --> 02:56:29,260
That's become fairly common.

2113
02:56:29,540 --> 02:56:31,840
We tend to touch on some of the same things.

2114
02:56:32,440 --> 02:56:35,980
But he's really laid the groundwork from the Falcone group.

2115
02:56:36,140 --> 02:56:38,180
This morning I have Mr. Ryan Williams.

2116
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:44,500
He's the Managing Director, and I'll give a little bit more background on Falcone as I go through my presentation.

2117
02:56:44,840 --> 02:56:49,300
But he's been working with me on this project, and I've been working with him,

2118
02:56:49,300 --> 02:56:52,600
as well as Kimley Horn from engineering.

2119
02:56:52,980 --> 02:56:54,260
And that's just in Ham.

2120
02:56:54,540 --> 02:56:58,320
Also, I've kind of lost here from Kimley Horn,

2121
02:56:58,340 --> 02:57:01,540
who's been instrumental in a lot of the document prop.

2122
02:57:02,220 --> 02:57:05,640
And then it would be remiss if I didn't mention the nights.

2123
02:57:06,360 --> 02:57:08,840
Kara Knight is here with us this morning.

2124
02:57:09,520 --> 02:57:11,320
You will touch on some of the history.

2125
02:57:11,380 --> 02:57:14,260
We'll remember I've been in front of you before on this project

2126
02:57:14,260 --> 02:57:17,180
on this property for a different project.

2127
02:57:17,180 --> 02:57:24,840
But it's an honor to continue to represent the Knights and get to know them more as we've worked through these projects.

2128
02:57:27,150 --> 02:57:33,310
Real quick, this is the property we're pretty familiar with it, Mr. Nancy's giving you the overview.

2129
02:57:33,890 --> 02:57:44,010
What we're looking at here, out of the 165 acres, we're looking at doing a PD on approximately 63, 58 of which are the upland areas.

2130
02:57:44,010 --> 02:58:12,250
And this is again located in one of the most highly sought-after areas of our county, much less central Florida, when you look at the proximity of this property to, I for with the access that you have to the parkway, it's just a prime location to get in and out and live and be able to get to Tampa or be able to get into Lakeland, Orlando, you've got a great access at this location.

2131
02:58:13,660 --> 02:58:15,640
A little history,

2132
02:58:18,560 --> 02:58:30,500
Mr. Bishop, or Commissioner Bishop, we have been in a communication with the city of Lakeland prior to my time and involvement with the night property.

2133
02:58:30,740 --> 02:58:33,260
It was previously proposed for annexation.

2134
02:58:33,840 --> 02:58:41,900
This city was considering business part in industrial on this piece property, which that goes back to 2017.

2135
02:58:41,900 --> 02:58:44,680
that that application ultimately was withdrawn.

2136
02:58:45,380 --> 02:58:51,820
There was tremendous amount of pushback to that which I would believe is consistent with what you saw when we came through.

2137
02:58:52,220 --> 02:59:02,920
Under the couple iterations of industrial business park center back in 2023, 2024, which was ultimately not successful in front of the Board of County Commissioners.

2138
02:59:03,840 --> 02:59:09,540
So they have, they've even commented in the staff report that they'd like to see this as a higher intensity use,

2139
02:59:09,540 --> 02:59:15,840
multi-family in industrial even today in their comments relative to this application.

2140
02:59:17,460 --> 02:59:24,760
But given this history and how much time we've had in it, having, I couldn't even begin

2141
02:59:24,760 --> 02:59:29,240
to count how many public hearings we went through on this property at this time, but it

2142
02:59:29,240 --> 02:59:36,620
was several, we've had community meetings and there has been no desire for industrial,

2143
02:59:36,620 --> 02:59:41,120
So there's been more along the lines communicated of a residential development.

2144
02:59:42,540 --> 02:59:47,380
And one of the reasons it has taken us, you know, year and a half to get back to you,

2145
02:59:47,820 --> 02:59:54,000
with a plan or with a proposed development is, again, the nights want to be good stewards

2146
02:59:54,000 --> 02:59:58,600
of the land and we'll talk a little bit about more of that as we go through this project.

2147
02:59:59,580 --> 02:59:59,960
But...

2148
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:15,960
I'm finding the right developer, finding the right group to bring to the table was important to the nights in the property owners, because as you'll see, they're retaining their homestead as part of this, so they're going to be a neighbor to this project as well.

2149
03:00:16,320 --> 03:00:26,060
So they're going to continue to live out there. And I think that's important to recognize, but it's also important because they spend a lot of time in selecting their developer.

2150
03:00:26,060 --> 03:00:37,310
This is the proposed request, again, Mr. Nance has run through all the details, but we're

2151
03:00:37,310 --> 03:00:42,870
proposing two access points, one on Swindill Road, and then one also on Audermen Road, again,

2152
03:00:42,910 --> 03:00:46,930
to kind of make sure that traffic flows appropriately.

2153
03:00:47,250 --> 03:00:51,910
We're proposing landscaping and buffering, and we're meeting all of the criteria of your

2154
03:00:51,910 --> 03:00:52,890
land development code.

2155
03:00:57,080 --> 03:01:03,820
talk about where we are. Sometimes we want to talk about and get into issues that really are relevant

2156
03:01:03,820 --> 03:01:09,520
more into the engineering design phase or more into the next stage. We're at the preliminary

2157
03:01:10,120 --> 03:01:15,480
preliminary PD approval stage. We're proving the binding site plant. We'll talk about

2158
03:01:15,480 --> 03:01:21,540
the densities and intensities and things like that. But we're up here in this front side of the process.

2159
03:01:22,220 --> 03:01:25,800
There will be a tremendous amount of engineering that goes into the site.

2160
03:01:25,800 --> 03:01:30,840
We are very familiar with this area, very familiar with the property, very familiar with it.

2161
03:01:30,940 --> 03:01:40,100
Pakistan's database and our engineers have spent a lot of time in this application and prior applications working through those issues.

2162
03:01:40,620 --> 03:01:44,300
So we're very familiar with all of those considerations.

2163
03:01:46,460 --> 03:01:55,680
At this point in the process, the major traffic study, the ERPs, the protected species, reviews, all of those issues,

2164
03:01:55,680 --> 03:02:00,840
are level two issues. However, we have a good grasp on where we are with all of those issues today

2165
03:02:00,840 --> 03:02:05,400
because of the work that's gone on in the past, but also that's gone into this application,

2166
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:11,140
and I'm going to touch on a few of those as we get there. So again, what we hear today is to talk

2167
03:02:11,140 --> 03:02:13,200
about the binding site plan for the PD.

2168
03:02:15,590 --> 03:02:18,690
Mr. Nancy's touched on these issues too, but I think it's

2169
03:02:18,690 --> 03:02:23,290
really important that we highlight this particular piece of property and where, because of where

2170
03:02:23,290 --> 03:02:29,450
stands and where it sits within the county but also within the construct of our conference

2171
03:02:29,450 --> 03:02:38,090
plan. The property on the left you can see and the red highlight that's effectively the

2172
03:02:38,090 --> 03:02:42,270
PD that's in front of you. That's generally the boundary of the PD that's in front of you.

2173
03:02:42,390 --> 03:02:52,530
It's entirely within the transit sport of development area. That's an area that your

2174
03:02:52,530 --> 03:02:58,050
the services are there. They're not coming, they're there. You have three dwelling units in

2175
03:02:58,050 --> 03:03:04,630
a criminal, seven dwelling units in a car max in the TSTA, and under some of the recent

2176
03:03:05,650 --> 03:03:10,090
administrative interpretations, we're not talking about a density asker. This isn't about

2177
03:03:10,090 --> 03:03:15,270
going, we have to go through the PD process. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not suggesting that.

2178
03:03:15,570 --> 03:03:20,130
But the asker for the density is really granted by virtue of the fact that we're in the

2179
03:03:20,970 --> 03:03:28,050
TSDA, and those intensities are what we're right in line with those, but also in line with

2180
03:03:28,050 --> 03:03:35,430
those intensities, but trying to respect the character and the feel of the existing residents

2181
03:03:35,430 --> 03:03:42,130
and the existing community and that area that is existed for a long time, and I know I keep

2182
03:03:42,130 --> 03:03:46,010
saying I'm going to talk a little bit more about that, but I am, and I'm excited about it.

2183
03:03:46,010 --> 03:03:54,010
This is the future land use on the right, again, residential low within your TSCA that allows us to go up to 2.0.

2184
03:03:54,090 --> 03:03:58,290
It goes up to 7, where it 2.6.

2185
03:03:59,790 --> 03:04:04,830
Transit corridors and centers, and another overlay district that we don't talk a whole lot about.

2186
03:04:06,370 --> 03:04:10,270
But this property, all of the property is within the transit center.

2187
03:04:11,190 --> 03:04:16,290
That is an area that the complaint really wants something more along the lines of 12 dwelling units in acre.

2188
03:04:16,830 --> 03:04:21,690
Now, probably doesn't make sense on this site, given some of the physical constraints.

2189
03:04:22,010 --> 03:04:25,490
You got compatibility issues and different things of that nature that you have to work through.

2190
03:04:26,270 --> 03:04:28,750
But again, what is this map telling us?

2191
03:04:28,830 --> 03:04:32,670
They're telling us we want to see some more intense development up in this area.

2192
03:04:32,870 --> 03:04:35,310
We want to see that kind of growth occur here.

2193
03:04:37,050 --> 03:04:39,390
Because this is where the services are.

2194
03:04:41,500 --> 03:04:52,240
looking specifically into residential low. Again, just to show that we're being consistent with the conference of plans showing that we're meeting those those criteria.

2195
03:04:52,980 --> 03:04:59,860
Residential load generally allows up to fog dwelling units in anger through a planned development. We're at 2.6.

2196
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:09,980
Based on the up-lendensity, mix of single-family residential low has a variety of single-family

2197
03:05:09,980 --> 03:05:13,980
types. And that's what you see occurring on this piece property. You've got some of our

2198
03:05:13,980 --> 03:05:18,520
drillots in the area. You've got some smaller drillots in the area. But it's all single-family.

2199
03:05:18,720 --> 03:05:22,360
So we are sticking and we're consistent with the conference plan.

2200
03:05:26,040 --> 03:05:27,700
We're here again. I know I talked

2201
03:05:27,700 --> 03:05:32,800
about the TSTA and not needing to go through, not needing to evaluate density because of that.

2202
03:05:33,340 --> 03:05:38,180
We are still evaluating consistency with the conference of plan, the land of element code,

2203
03:05:38,520 --> 03:05:44,500
and compatibility in order to ensure that this proposed development meets all those criteria,

2204
03:05:45,160 --> 03:05:46,660
going through your plan of element process.

2205
03:05:46,780 --> 03:05:52,460
These are the three steps, and this is out of your land of element code as a relates to the standard

2206
03:05:52,460 --> 03:05:52,940
overview.

2207
03:05:55,400 --> 03:06:01,860
Because we're going through the PD process and most most of the folks on this board, Commissioner

2208
03:06:01,860 --> 03:06:04,840
Bell Vevilakula, you're relatively new today.

2209
03:06:06,160 --> 03:06:12,640
But there was the old PD standards where we evaluated a PD based on what's inside the

2210
03:06:12,640 --> 03:06:14,220
development only, right?

2211
03:06:14,680 --> 03:06:18,600
We're putting in just putting inside walks and those kinds of things.

2212
03:06:18,920 --> 03:06:23,140
Forget what year it was, but staff, the Board of County Commissioner said, hey, we want

2213
03:06:23,140 --> 03:06:29,200
to reevaluate how you look at PDs, and now before you look internal, you look external,

2214
03:06:29,360 --> 03:06:35,180
because the external factors are going to drive what the allowable density should be on

2215
03:06:35,180 --> 03:06:40,680
the site. So that's where you go through these three steps in your analysis. What's the location

2216
03:06:40,680 --> 03:06:46,480
eligibility? Do you then, that's what, in the location all other eligibility are all external

2217
03:06:46,480 --> 03:06:54,240
courses, utilities, roads, employment centers, all of those kinds of things, parks,

2218
03:06:54,540 --> 03:06:57,860
wreck, all of the external factors that say, hey, are the services that you're

2219
03:06:57,860 --> 03:07:02,600
to support the new project and then you get scored and we'll go through a little

2220
03:07:02,600 --> 03:07:06,960
bit of that. Then once you determine what your potential score and your

2221
03:07:06,960 --> 03:07:11,580
density is, then you look internal. Are we designing the project appropriately?

2222
03:07:11,780 --> 03:07:15,080
Are we providing the appropriate and then in these an open space and things like that?

2223
03:07:15,080 --> 03:07:18,400
So that's the new criteria.

2224
03:07:18,700 --> 03:07:22,700
I took the new off of this slide because it doesn't feel as new anymore,

2225
03:07:23,260 --> 03:07:27,240
but sometimes it's good to kind of look back on how we got here.

2226
03:07:29,340 --> 03:07:32,100
So first the eligibility score and Mr. Nance went through it.

2227
03:07:32,100 --> 03:07:34,400
There's a table and chapter three of your land of L.M.

2228
03:07:34,400 --> 03:07:35,800
code that I'm not going to go through.

2229
03:07:35,980 --> 03:07:41,280
It's about three pages all with identifying all the different scoring points.

2230
03:07:41,640 --> 03:07:45,940
This site at minimum scores 13, potentially scores up to 25 points.

2231
03:07:45,940 --> 03:07:50,000
We aired on the side of caution and stayed on the conservative side.

2232
03:07:50,560 --> 03:07:54,360
13 points gets us to three-and-a-half dwelling units in Acre.

2233
03:07:54,700 --> 03:07:56,200
We're underneath that through the PD.

2234
03:07:56,640 --> 03:08:03,120
Again, showing that the site is appropriate for, and the intensity of the site is appropriate for the location.

2235
03:08:05,620 --> 03:08:09,700
Then, looking into the internal portions of the project.

2236
03:08:10,200 --> 03:08:15,440
20% open space requirement of the upland areas, so we're not counting.

2237
03:08:15,440 --> 03:08:24,040
wetlands. We're not adding those acres into the calculation for open space. This site meets

2238
03:08:24,040 --> 03:08:31,220
that. We've got 12.2 acres of open space. We are also providing 500 square feet per

2239
03:08:31,220 --> 03:08:37,540
lot of recreation area. When you have a lot, I believe it's less than 80 feet. You have

2240
03:08:37,540 --> 03:08:43,880
to provide that and all of our lots under 80 feet. So we're meeting all of your open space

2241
03:08:43,880 --> 03:08:45,160
recreation criteria.

2242
03:08:47,260 --> 03:08:50,380
This is just the map demonstrating compliance with your code.

2243
03:08:50,440 --> 03:08:56,420
A couple of things I want to point out on here is you can see the green areas are the open space,

2244
03:08:56,600 --> 03:09:01,980
blue or stormwater and wetland areas that we're not counting in the open space calculation.

2245
03:09:03,440 --> 03:09:13,860
We're highlighting some of the buffers on this one and there's no way for me to show you where I'm

2246
03:09:13,860 --> 03:09:21,100
along the Rears, we're proposing a Type-C buffer by code, a 25-foot-wide Type-C

2247
03:09:21,100 --> 03:09:26,480
buffer. By code, that buffer is not required. There's no landscape buffer

2248
03:09:26,480 --> 03:09:30,380
required between this right away or single family adjacent to single family

2249
03:09:30,380 --> 03:09:34,640
just basically by code. So what you're seeing there is an enhancement over what

2250
03:09:34,640 --> 03:09:37,160
your land of element code requires are ready.

2251
03:09:39,300 --> 03:09:41,140
So again, providing the necessary

2252
03:09:41,140 --> 03:09:43,640
open space for this project.

2253
03:09:44,920 --> 03:09:51,700
Minity standards, we identify amenities in the different types.

2254
03:09:52,400 --> 03:09:55,860
We have to provide one point for every home.

2255
03:09:56,160 --> 03:09:59,960
This layout provides 225 points, so we're over and over.

2256
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:06,900
Inattizing at this point with the amenity package that's in there, you get to choose. We've identified

2257
03:10:06,900 --> 03:10:18,480
three type two amenities within your plain development code to choose from, and those will be identified

2258
03:10:18,480 --> 03:10:29,800
specifically at level two. But one of the reasons why, again, we kind of got into this excitement.

2259
03:10:29,800 --> 03:10:35,400
with Falcone. Anyway, is that when you look at the amenity plan and you look at what they're

2260
03:10:35,400 --> 03:10:39,900
trying to do and why they've selected them. Falcone's been in the state of Florida for almost

2261
03:10:39,900 --> 03:10:45,120
50 years developing. This is their first time in Polk. They haven't been here, so this is and

2262
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:52,180
they're a home builder too. So this isn't necessarily what we've seen in the past. If you know

2263
03:10:52,180 --> 03:10:59,600
what I mean and I'm not name any names, but so this is a different program for what's going on.

2264
03:10:59,800 --> 03:11:04,760
And one of the reasons why Falcon was picked was because they do a lot that is of their

2265
03:11:04,760 --> 03:11:10,380
amenities and their theming of their neighborhoods are agricultural focused, which this

2266
03:11:10,380 --> 03:11:12,220
area has had a lot of agriculture in the past.

2267
03:11:12,380 --> 03:11:14,780
I mean, this property has been farm for a long time.

2268
03:11:15,660 --> 03:11:21,940
They use that as kind of how they market and they see this as an area where that agricultural

2269
03:11:21,940 --> 03:11:30,660
rural community, dare I say, I rule it, might be an appropriate place, it's a term I learned

2270
03:11:30,660 --> 03:11:40,640
in the Complaint Committee, Commissioner Sums, so we are looking in what Falcon is proposing

2271
03:11:40,640 --> 03:11:43,060
here is the amenities, the design of the community,

2272
03:11:45,440 --> 03:11:47,320
the recreational opportunities will

2273
03:11:47,320 --> 03:11:53,140
be agriculturally focused, that will drive what the aesthetics are, the architectural features

2274
03:11:53,140 --> 03:11:58,380
of the homes. They won't be the standard. They're going to be more agricultural in nature.

2275
03:11:58,680 --> 03:12:03,080
I mean, I'm certainly not suggesting that every house is going to have a cow or anything like

2276
03:12:03,080 --> 03:12:07,860
that, but I'm suggesting that there will be open areas and there'll be common areas where there

2277
03:12:07,860 --> 03:12:15,940
can be some communal, I believe the term on here is regenerative farming areas. I didn't know that

2278
03:12:15,940 --> 03:12:18,660
until I started preparing for this hearing today.

2279
03:12:19,140 --> 03:12:23,380
But again, showing the intention of one bringing something new

2280
03:12:23,380 --> 03:12:26,040
to the community, which we don't really have,

2281
03:12:26,540 --> 03:12:29,020
haven't seen any built, but also be in respectful

2282
03:12:29,020 --> 03:12:32,940
and supportive of what's gone on in this area, historically.

2283
03:12:33,840 --> 03:12:35,180
So it's a nice balance.

2284
03:12:38,400 --> 03:12:42,740
Mr. Nans provided you a similar slide to this one,

2285
03:12:43,240 --> 03:12:46,960
but this is, again, just for purposes of the record showing

2286
03:12:46,960 --> 03:12:54,060
that we meet all of the PD, criteria, satisfy or exceed all of your requirements for a project

2287
03:12:54,060 --> 03:12:54,800
to this nature.

2288
03:12:57,730 --> 03:13:03,110
Kind of looking forward, because these questions always arise, concurrency

2289
03:13:03,110 --> 03:13:09,390
type issues, level two issues really, but I want to just make sure that people understand

2290
03:13:09,390 --> 03:13:13,990
we're looking at them. We have looked at utilities. We will be getting utilities from the

2291
03:13:13,990 --> 03:13:18,610
city of Lakeland. They've already provided a capacity letter indicating that capacity is

2292
03:13:18,610 --> 03:13:24,590
available for this project for development, water and sewer.

2293
03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:32,780
We have reached or requested a non-binding school concurrency letter, which again, this

2294
03:13:32,780 --> 03:13:39,000
is just a snapshot on July 29th of 2026 for this project, but there was ample capacity

2295
03:13:39,000 --> 03:13:45,960
in all the zones, schools for this, for this piece of property, 451 homes, so school capacity,

2296
03:13:46,280 --> 03:13:48,080
and that's what you heard Mr. Nancy as well.

2297
03:13:48,080 --> 03:13:48,080
So,

2298
03:13:50,660 --> 03:13:58,220
we've looked at drainage, drainage again is a significant issue out here, we're well aware

2299
03:13:58,220 --> 03:14:00,160
of that.

2300
03:14:00,160 --> 03:14:06,340
There's a condition of approval that relates to requiring us to treat this as if it's a closed

2301
03:14:06,340 --> 03:14:10,260
basin, although it's not a closed basin, but we're going to treat it that way, commit to

2302
03:14:10,260 --> 03:14:15,820
100-year stormwater ponds, we've evaluated the site, we can meet those requirements.

2303
03:14:15,820 --> 03:14:22,020
It will be an interconnected series of stormwater ponds that will be permitted through the county's

2304
03:14:22,020 --> 03:14:26,660
process as well as the water management districts process to ensure that there is no increase

2305
03:14:26,660 --> 03:14:28,600
in volume or flow rate.

2306
03:14:28,780 --> 03:14:30,280
There are two different things.

2307
03:14:30,980 --> 03:14:37,720
How much water you are putting off the site between pre-development and post-development and volume,

2308
03:14:38,220 --> 03:14:40,060
but also how fast it is going off the site.

2309
03:14:40,060 --> 03:14:42,560
So it's not affecting downstream.

2310
03:14:42,880 --> 03:14:47,680
We can affect downstream or upstream drainage issues.

2311
03:14:47,920 --> 03:14:50,840
So we will be going through that rigorous modeling

2312
03:14:50,840 --> 03:14:56,140
and design using 100-year storms as the model event.

2313
03:14:56,440 --> 03:14:59,300
Again, that's above and beyond some of the code requirements,

2314
03:14:59,420 --> 03:14:59,960
which is.

2315
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:01,540
Why it's a condition of approval.

2316
03:15:04,130 --> 03:15:06,950
We've looked at traffic. We've had a major traffic study

2317
03:15:06,950 --> 03:15:16,110
commissioned. That was being completed by Kimely Horn as well. The methodology has been

2318
03:15:16,110 --> 03:15:21,470
complete all the updated traffic counts are done. We've finalized our review. There's always

2319
03:15:21,470 --> 03:15:26,510
some back and forth before the traffic study gets 100% locked in stone, finalized. We're not quite

2320
03:15:26,510 --> 03:15:32,030
to that point yet. But we've evaluated this site. We believe that this, the two access points

2321
03:15:32,030 --> 03:15:38,110
work. You're looking at 62% of the of the trips going in and out on Swindow Road, 38%

2322
03:15:38,110 --> 03:15:45,670
on Alderman, using that for a waste stop. So we believe that the segments will function

2323
03:15:45,670 --> 03:15:49,710
without any improvements that we aren't already required to make. They'll be right away

2324
03:15:49,710 --> 03:15:54,150
dedication along Alderman Road. There's going to be improvements along Alderman Road to increase

2325
03:15:54,150 --> 03:15:56,450
on our front edge, things of that nature.

2326
03:15:57,110 --> 03:15:59,570
I'm not suggesting that there's not going to be anything done.

2327
03:15:59,830 --> 03:16:02,420
I'm just suggesting that there's no failing intersections.

2328
03:16:02,870 --> 03:16:06,030
There's no failing segments, based on the traffic study.

2329
03:16:07,790 --> 03:16:12,930
The one issue and I'm proposing a condition that I would ask to be included.

2330
03:16:13,850 --> 03:16:18,070
There is a favorable recommendation approval this morning.

2331
03:16:19,410 --> 03:16:25,750
There are some constraints if you will on the front edge of Swindle Road.

2332
03:16:26,270 --> 03:16:27,850
We acknowledge that.

2333
03:16:28,730 --> 03:16:34,010
We will work through, again, those issues on how that design, whether it's a Type 2 or

2334
03:16:34,010 --> 03:16:41,150
a Type 3 or some sort of version of a modified Type 2 Type 3 intersection, get worked out

2335
03:16:41,150 --> 03:16:44,570
and get identified at your level 2 process with your engineering.

2336
03:16:46,190 --> 03:16:52,670
Those are really detailed analysis and required very detailed engineering that just isn't done at this stage.

2337
03:16:53,150 --> 03:17:00,930
What I'm proposing is that this condition that would allow some flexibility, for instance, let's say various hypotheticals.

2338
03:17:01,450 --> 03:17:04,530
We need to modify your typical type two or type three.

2339
03:17:04,590 --> 03:17:07,610
We can do that under your code today.

2340
03:17:07,610 --> 03:17:11,850
We need to shift the Swindle access a little the left or the right.

2341
03:17:12,130 --> 03:17:16,450
We can do that generally today under the code, but if I need to come back and add another

2342
03:17:16,450 --> 03:17:21,830
access point on Alderman or eliminate an access point in its entirety, that would require

2343
03:17:21,830 --> 03:17:23,350
an additional public hearing.

2344
03:17:23,750 --> 03:17:28,550
We're trying to add a condition that would allow some flexibility knowing that we've got

2345
03:17:28,550 --> 03:17:34,550
some engineering to do, because at the end of the day Falcon wants to make sure that whatever

2346
03:17:34,550 --> 03:17:41,670
designed in whatever's constructed and implemented it is works for the works for their project,

2347
03:17:42,070 --> 03:17:47,510
but also make sure that they're not creating any safety issues for existing users of the

2348
03:17:47,510 --> 03:17:52,410
road, whether it's residents on Audermen Road or just truck traffic coming up in down Swindell.

2349
03:17:54,370 --> 03:18:03,870
So I would request that this condition be included and with an approval if that is the pleasure

2350
03:18:03,870 --> 03:18:13,070
to the board. So with that, I'm going to kind of wrap up. You've heard this morning that

2351
03:18:13,070 --> 03:18:18,550
this project meets or exceeds all of your provisions, if your confidence is a plan, your

2352
03:18:18,550 --> 03:18:23,950
land development code, you have a finding of compatibility, they have gone above and beyond

2353
03:18:23,950 --> 03:18:30,090
on landscaping and buffering that isn't otherwise required by the code to even go further

2354
03:18:30,090 --> 03:18:37,570
on landscape on the compatibility issue, you've got a developer who's looking to bring a project

2355
03:18:37,570 --> 03:18:46,050
to the community that's similar or complementary to what to an agricultural area of the past.

2356
03:18:46,890 --> 03:18:56,730
And so with that, we would request a favorable vote on LDPD 2026-13. This morning, we'll stand for any

2357
03:18:56,730 --> 03:19:00,610
questions and would request a few minutes of a battle at the end.

2358
03:19:01,090 --> 03:19:02,110
Any questions of the album?

2359
03:19:03,470 --> 03:19:11,790
I have a couple of comments, so Bart, once again, thank you for the educational and

2360
03:19:11,790 --> 03:19:14,710
informational PowerPoints that you do.

2361
03:19:15,050 --> 03:19:15,530
I love them.

2362
03:19:15,550 --> 03:19:17,690
It helps me up here.

2363
03:19:18,450 --> 03:19:19,230
I appreciate that.

2364
03:19:19,590 --> 03:19:26,630
Also, thank you to the night family for listening to not only the community, but to the

2365
03:19:27,250 --> 03:19:31,730
on the change from last to now.

2366
03:19:32,490 --> 03:19:33,350
That's super nice.

2367
03:19:33,570 --> 03:19:36,110
And it says a lot for the honor of the property.

2368
03:19:36,890 --> 03:19:40,630
And did you say the Falcon developer,

2369
03:19:40,870 --> 03:19:41,930
their new in Polk County?

2370
03:19:42,010 --> 03:19:43,170
We've been in Polk County.

2371
03:19:43,310 --> 03:19:45,230
They've been in Florida and are Florida based.

2372
03:19:45,590 --> 03:19:47,270
They've been around for about 50 years.

2373
03:19:47,430 --> 03:19:49,710
They do a variety of developments.

2374
03:19:50,170 --> 03:19:50,850
Single family.

2375
03:19:51,190 --> 03:19:52,730
They've done some mixed use.

2376
03:19:53,030 --> 03:19:54,970
They've actually got some high rise type stuff.

2377
03:19:54,970 --> 03:19:59,970
two down in South Florida. So they're involved in a variety of different uses, which I think.

2378
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:02,780
This is why you're seeing something a little different coming at the table.

2379
03:20:03,660 --> 03:20:08,000
Well, welcome to them. I just had comments.

2380
03:20:08,520 --> 03:20:09,700
Thank you.

2381
03:20:10,180 --> 03:20:16,940
I got a question of staff. Have you seen, have you had a chance to look at his proposed condition?

2382
03:20:17,460 --> 03:20:18,740
Any are you okay with it?

2383
03:20:19,000 --> 03:20:22,780
Yes, sir. We've discussed the county engineer, too, on the heels of his preliminary traffic.

2384
03:20:24,040 --> 03:20:24,220
Okay.

2385
03:20:24,640 --> 03:20:26,400
And that's included in our motion today.

2386
03:20:26,400 --> 03:20:33,500
Well, we'll make our the motion will need to include it correct it's not in the staff

2387
03:20:33,500 --> 03:20:34,120
of it.

2388
03:20:34,680 --> 03:20:39,800
Who makes the motion will need to include that?

2389
03:20:40,440 --> 03:20:42,320
Okay, thank you.

2390
03:20:42,580 --> 03:20:49,560
So I'll open up the public hearing and ask is there anyone in the audience to which is to

2391
03:20:49,560 --> 03:20:51,920
speak in favor of this application?

2392
03:20:51,920 --> 03:20:53,920
Are you going to favor?

2393
03:20:54,040 --> 03:20:54,700
Yes.

2394
03:20:55,080 --> 03:20:55,460
Okay.

2395
03:20:55,820 --> 03:20:58,130
I just want to give some clarification.

2396
03:21:04,100 --> 03:21:08,000
My name is Edwin Leonard, 805, giant or grote,

2397
03:21:08,520 --> 03:21:12,340
we live behind the proposed development.

2398
03:21:12,840 --> 03:21:19,260
I like to know, will all of them road be widened?

2399
03:21:19,860 --> 03:21:23,100
What type of, it says, type C buffer?

2400
03:21:23,740 --> 03:21:26,940
We don't know what type buffer that is along all of them.

2401
03:21:26,940 --> 03:21:39,180
And also at the intersection of Alderman and Swindell with that be widened because now it's very small and it's very tight.

2402
03:21:40,660 --> 03:21:51,940
And we live in a closed community. So there's only one way out, one way out, one way out of China and there's about 19 units back there.

2403
03:21:51,940 --> 03:21:56,060
And so we're adding a lot of traffic with this new development.

2404
03:21:56,340 --> 03:22:00,960
I've not against it because I was here when they were going to put a warehouse here.

2405
03:22:02,000 --> 03:22:07,640
So that was a large fight and plus, if they're big homes, that makes my own look better.

2406
03:22:08,160 --> 03:22:12,880
But those are things that I want to know because we all live there.

2407
03:22:13,300 --> 03:22:17,180
And we all got to come out every day and we got to go back in every day.

2408
03:22:17,180 --> 03:22:22,480
So those are the things, if the developer can answer those,

2409
03:22:22,660 --> 03:22:28,160
what type of buffer that he's gonna put along all of the road,

2410
03:22:28,540 --> 03:22:33,840
so that we all know, is it a burn, are the trees,

2411
03:22:34,220 --> 03:22:40,060
or are they gonna put along that road so that we as,

2412
03:22:40,440 --> 03:22:44,120
people that live back there, we wanna be comfortable too.

2413
03:22:44,120 --> 03:22:54,080
So, all these houses they're going to build don't have anything to ask that, but we also want to be comfortable with this whole development.

2414
03:22:55,160 --> 03:23:01,440
I'll ask the applicant when he comes back up to address that.

2415
03:23:01,640 --> 03:23:04,120
I'm sure he's made note of your questions.

2416
03:23:04,720 --> 03:23:05,040
Thank you.

2417
03:23:07,100 --> 03:23:08,500
Anyone else to speak in favor?

2418
03:23:09,300 --> 03:23:12,120
Anyone to speak in opposition to this request?

2419
03:23:12,120 --> 03:23:13,780
You come forward,

2420
03:23:16,050 --> 03:23:16,050
please.

2421
03:23:16,410 --> 03:23:19,770
Name an address, and I assume you're a sworn in.

2422
03:23:20,570 --> 03:23:25,070
Yes, I have two handouts, if someone could pass them around.

2423
03:23:28,740 --> 03:23:35,320
My name is D. Allen, I address 503O Alderman Road in Lakeland and I have been sworn.

2424
03:23:36,020 --> 03:23:42,260
And I have no objection to the plan to develop this parcel into single family homes,

2425
03:23:42,320 --> 03:23:44,940
but I object to the lot size.

2426
03:23:44,940 --> 03:24:06,220
They're listing a minimum lot size of 6,000 square feet, which is 0.13 acres, and if you just, and we're rural one, and so that would equate to seven units in one acre, which is very incompatible with the feeling of the surrounding areas.

2427
03:24:06,220 --> 03:24:13,200
So one of the main reasons people move outside the city limits is so they can have a slightly bigger

2428
03:24:13,200 --> 03:24:13,760
lot.

2429
03:24:14,480 --> 03:24:20,180
And so this indicates that and it also doesn't mesh with the properties that are there.

2430
03:24:20,760 --> 03:24:27,860
So the map that's coming around is a map that I took from the page 21 of the staff report,

2431
03:24:28,240 --> 03:24:34,340
but I added some text to it and it shows that the existing Alderman road lots are mainly

2432
03:24:34,340 --> 03:24:41,200
one acre lots, and directly north of the project is the country classic farms, that's to the northwest,

2433
03:24:42,300 --> 03:24:51,180
and that's a horse owner's community, and they have lovely homes with lots of 2, 5, and 8 acres.

2434
03:24:53,000 --> 03:24:58,240
And there's also a new development that was more recently approved, and I don't even think

2435
03:24:58,240 --> 03:24:59,980
work is complete there on the street.

2436
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:13,960
We call apple cork and it's shown on the map northeast of the Swindell site. Well, the apple cork site is about the same size as this Swindell project, but it has all one quarter acre lots.

2437
03:25:14,760 --> 03:25:27,280
So it has 107 lots instead of 150 lots and I don't really have an objection to this project if they would go to increase the lot size to a quarter acre,

2438
03:25:27,280 --> 03:25:36,200
because that is beginning to be more compatible with what's around it and it seems like the primary reason they got to such a big density

2439
03:25:36,200 --> 03:25:43,760
though was this transit supported development area and page nine of your staff reports says it contributes

2440
03:25:44,260 --> 03:25:51,640
to greater demand for higher urban densities while this isn't an urban area is not even in the city limits

2441
03:25:51,640 --> 03:26:00,440
And then it goes on to say that the Swindell property is divided by that overlay, so it's not completely even in it.

2442
03:26:01,320 --> 03:26:06,720
So then this effort port says that there's a sidewalk located along the south side of Swindell Road,

2443
03:26:07,040 --> 03:26:10,880
with connectivity to a mass transit stop, it's about a mile away.

2444
03:26:11,420 --> 03:26:17,440
But that's deceiving, because if you look at the picture that I sent around, that's Windell Road,

2445
03:26:17,440 --> 03:26:24,940
in an area that's not affected by this road widening or the project itself and you can see

2446
03:26:26,180 --> 03:26:30,820
that much of the route you would have to, you know, if you were walking to a bus stop,

2447
03:26:30,960 --> 03:26:36,080
you'd have to walk through this area and it's got steep sides, lots of vegetation.

2448
03:26:37,920 --> 03:26:45,000
So I'm through, but I would approve this if you would increase to a quarter acre minimum

2449
03:26:45,000 --> 03:26:46,180
lots of us.

2450
03:26:46,500 --> 03:26:48,100
Thank you.

2451
03:26:48,380 --> 03:26:49,380
Anyone else in opposition?

2452
03:26:50,020 --> 03:26:50,720
Comfort, please?

2453
03:26:56,390 --> 03:26:56,630
Hi.

2454
03:26:57,290 --> 03:26:58,330
My name's Cassandra Starner.

2455
03:26:58,590 --> 03:27:01,610
I live at 501-6 Alderman Road.

2456
03:27:03,050 --> 03:27:08,570
As I stand here before you to advocate for myself, my children, and my neighbors, I hope you

2457
03:27:08,570 --> 03:27:13,930
guys truly hear what we all have gathered here to say in regards to the construction by Alderman

2458
03:27:13,930 --> 03:27:14,450
Road.

2459
03:27:15,270 --> 03:27:21,750
proposed is the 151 single family homes and what is now a cow pasture filled with beautiful

2460
03:27:21,750 --> 03:27:28,890
live oaks, sand hill cranes, bats, and other wildlife in fauna, something my toddler and newborn

2461
03:27:28,890 --> 03:27:36,910
enjoy walking down to and viewing on a daily basis. Not only would the construction of this complex

2462
03:27:36,910 --> 03:27:41,850
decimate the beautiful nature that we have there a large concern of mine is the fact that we already

2463
03:27:41,850 --> 03:27:49,150
blood being in an AE flood zone. I have submitted photos via email for reference of the flooding

2464
03:27:49,150 --> 03:27:55,270
conditions experienced in our area. In the proposed construction, we do see their attempt to

2465
03:27:55,270 --> 03:28:00,410
mitigate any flooding by digging retention ponds as well as other drainage measures. However,

2466
03:28:00,470 --> 03:28:11,830
if these homes are built up higher than the existing property already stands, they won't have to

2467
03:28:11,830 --> 03:28:17,230
structure in our neighborhood is also corrected and accounted for, we will be the ones paying

2468
03:28:17,230 --> 03:28:23,090
for the consequences of this new build. I'm no engineer obviously, but I know when you

2469
03:28:23,090 --> 03:28:31,810
cover the land in concrete and cement, water has to find somewhere else to go. This is not

2470
03:28:31,810 --> 03:28:37,910
something that we want to see happen and non-area, we really want to see developed. Secondly,

2471
03:28:37,910 --> 03:28:43,050
the amount of traffic that will increase is going to be exponential on our road that really

2472
03:28:43,050 --> 03:28:46,710
isn't designed to handle that. And I know they were talking about addressing some of those

2473
03:28:46,710 --> 03:28:55,430
issues. I would be curious to see what their solution is for that. Sorry, I lost my spot.

2474
03:28:56,750 --> 03:29:00,870
Taking into account the natural wildlife that live out there in our fairly undeveloped area,

2475
03:29:01,350 --> 03:29:07,030
the increase of traffic also means an increase in roadkill and damage to vehicles as well.

2476
03:29:07,030 --> 03:29:13,370
You can't just push nature out and expect it to go somewhere else, whenever where else is getting torn down just as quickly.

2477
03:29:14,110 --> 03:29:19,630
I'm no public speaker, but ultimately I'm here and we are here to shut down the proposal for development.

2478
03:29:20,130 --> 03:29:25,110
We choose to live outside the city for a reason, and the city keeps creeping closer with every year.

2479
03:29:25,570 --> 03:29:28,630
Eventually, there will be nowhere else to develop, and that scares me.

2480
03:29:29,090 --> 03:29:35,410
I want a future where my kids can bring their children to see the giant oats and the bats and the sand hill cranes,

2481
03:29:35,410 --> 03:29:37,610
and beautiful nature that surrounds us.

2482
03:29:37,810 --> 03:29:42,630
Not more homes, not more concrete, and certainly not a state that has been completely developed.

2483
03:29:43,270 --> 03:29:47,790
With all that being said, if for some reason you do choose to move forward with the development of the area,

2484
03:29:48,330 --> 03:29:50,590
I would ask that you take these things into consideration.

2485
03:29:51,290 --> 03:29:55,750
We would like to see homes that have between one and maybe five acres of land per lot,

2486
03:29:56,030 --> 03:29:59,970
not less than a third of an acre as proposed as this leaves the area feeling more open.

2487
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:07,000
And natural. I did have a little bit more, but thank you.

2488
03:30:08,000 --> 03:30:10,080
Anyone else to speak?

2489
03:30:13,260 --> 03:30:14,120
Who are you sworn in?

2490
03:30:14,860 --> 03:30:20,980
David Lefler, 4455, Swindell Rood, Lakeland Florida, fifth generation Floridian, third generation

2491
03:30:20,980 --> 03:30:27,640
on the family property, which is 660 feet on my northwest corner to their highest south east corner.

2492
03:30:27,640 --> 03:30:29,360
and I did not receive a letter.

2493
03:30:29,960 --> 03:30:31,740
I have pictures of the sign that was placed.

2494
03:30:31,740 --> 03:30:34,520
I just want you to know only one sign was on Swindell Road

2495
03:30:34,520 --> 03:30:38,480
and it was actually facing Alderman Road going south, right?

2496
03:30:38,600 --> 03:30:40,760
So unless you're coming from a dead end road of Alderman south

2497
03:30:40,760 --> 03:30:42,660
where the construction companies are,

2498
03:30:42,900 --> 03:30:44,120
that's the only way you're going to see that sign.

2499
03:30:44,260 --> 03:30:45,920
I went back for three days before I realized

2500
03:30:45,920 --> 03:30:48,660
it was to the left of me and I couldn't see it.

2501
03:30:48,660 --> 03:30:49,540
My uncle pointed out to me.

2502
03:30:49,600 --> 03:30:51,160
That sign was put up as far as I know.

2503
03:30:51,440 --> 03:30:54,580
I'm Friday the 21st, so we're about at 20 days.

2504
03:30:54,620 --> 03:30:57,600
No excuse me, the 13th we're around 20 days of us being here today.

2505
03:30:58,180 --> 03:30:59,960
I had a whole bunch of stuff written down.

2506
03:30:59,960 --> 03:31:03,120
I've listened to a lot of people come up to you and talk and I'm just coming to you now

2507
03:31:03,120 --> 03:31:03,660
from the heart.

2508
03:31:03,800 --> 03:31:06,960
I want you to understand there is a lot of flooding in that area, right?

2509
03:31:07,260 --> 03:31:09,060
A lot of our neighbors could not be here today.

2510
03:31:09,140 --> 03:31:13,200
My mother takes care of my stepfather, Vietnam veteran, so she's a full-time caregiver.

2511
03:31:13,500 --> 03:31:14,140
They could not be here.

2512
03:31:14,180 --> 03:31:15,360
They live on the same property.

2513
03:31:16,340 --> 03:31:17,660
My uncle could not be here today.

2514
03:31:17,860 --> 03:31:18,780
He just had knee surgery.

2515
03:31:18,980 --> 03:31:19,860
He could not be here today.

2516
03:31:19,900 --> 03:31:23,420
I've got several neighbors that are at work and a cousin that lives on the same property

2517
03:31:23,420 --> 03:31:25,380
of our 20 acre block that we live on.

2518
03:31:25,380 --> 03:31:28,840
they couldn't be here today because of work. So a lot of people wanted to be here. A lot of

2519
03:31:28,840 --> 03:31:33,820
these people did not get these letters or see the sign because maybe they only go towards

2520
03:31:33,820 --> 03:31:39,040
the lake when they don't go towards plant city. 100% of that traffic will come out on Swindell Road at

2521
03:31:39,040 --> 03:31:43,260
that small intersection of Alderman Road. Is a dead in road as was mentioned before going north,

2522
03:31:43,840 --> 03:31:48,100
right? So when they're coming out south, don't matter how many entry eggs that you have,

2523
03:31:48,320 --> 03:31:53,060
if it's on Swindell or Alderman, it's all got to come to Swindell. I can tell you, first hand

2524
03:31:53,060 --> 03:31:59,980
Got pictures and videos to show you the accidents at Clark Road in Swindil Road. It's even though they put the rumble strips in

2525
03:32:00,420 --> 03:32:05,980
We still have accidents and Polk County never used to put rumble strips in at intersections like that

2526
03:32:05,980 --> 03:32:10,480
I've got pictures and videos that can document the flooding from the last three storms

2527
03:32:10,480 --> 03:32:11,440
2021

2528
03:32:11,440 --> 03:32:14,160
2023 and Milton of course in 2024

2529
03:32:14,160 --> 03:32:15,940
from my home

2530
03:32:15,940 --> 03:32:18,360
through the 90 degree curves of Swindil Road

2531
03:32:18,360 --> 03:32:24,480
And going west towards Caliline Road almost 90% of that road was underwater for days.

2532
03:32:25,140 --> 03:32:29,700
If I went south and were excuse me north but going towards Walker Road where another

2533
03:32:29,700 --> 03:32:34,280
development has been taking place, that road was completely underwater all the way to

2534
03:32:34,280 --> 03:32:35,180
a night's Griffin Road.

2535
03:32:35,980 --> 03:32:40,860
If you took a left or excuse me a right on Bell of this to go east towards Lakeland, all

2536
03:32:40,860 --> 03:32:47,320
of that road was underwater and Milton, again was a heavy storm but my point to that is

2537
03:32:47,320 --> 03:32:51,780
is the Walker Road ballpark, which is right across from the former dairy that is now a hundred

2538
03:32:51,780 --> 03:32:52,960
and something home to be in built.

2539
03:32:53,640 --> 03:32:57,560
I go there almost every other day to go walk, and the ground is saturated with water just

2540
03:32:57,560 --> 03:32:59,420
from the recent three rings that we've had.

2541
03:32:59,580 --> 03:33:04,080
I check my rain gauges daily, and I'm looking at about an inch to a half inch every two or

2542
03:33:04,080 --> 03:33:04,680
three days.

2543
03:33:05,080 --> 03:33:09,480
I can see the bank of those retention ponds, a good foot and a half and now they're already

2544
03:33:09,480 --> 03:33:10,400
up to the grass level.

2545
03:33:10,500 --> 03:33:11,580
It was dirt, now it's grass.

2546
03:33:11,780 --> 03:33:13,800
So the rain water definitely affects us.

2547
03:33:13,800 --> 03:33:14,980
I had a lot more written down.

2548
03:33:14,980 --> 03:33:18,320
I'll just say, we're passionate about where we live.

2549
03:33:18,540 --> 03:33:18,760
We care.

2550
03:33:18,900 --> 03:33:20,160
I heard these people earlier.

2551
03:33:21,040 --> 03:33:22,860
Somebody needs to come out and look at this.

2552
03:33:22,860 --> 03:33:24,860
Take a walk with us and see the area.

2553
03:33:25,100 --> 03:33:25,840
Thank you for your time.

2554
03:33:26,000 --> 03:33:27,840
Thank you.

2555
03:33:28,020 --> 03:33:28,820
Anyone else?

2556
03:33:29,420 --> 03:33:30,100
Which is the speed?

2557
03:33:30,460 --> 03:33:30,860
Yes, ma'am.

2558
03:33:39,020 --> 03:33:43,020
My name is Brenda Jimenez, and my address is 5011 Alderman Road.

2559
03:33:43,380 --> 03:33:48,080
And I just want to add to the gentleman's comments and regards to the traffic.

2560
03:33:48,860 --> 03:33:55,080
There's so many racks out there that the stop sign is wind ill and aldermen daily, every

2561
03:33:55,080 --> 03:33:59,220
day people run through that they only have a stop, they slow down, they do a rolling stop,

2562
03:33:59,500 --> 03:34:06,940
they go, that's why they put those road things to stop people because nobody from the goes

2563
03:34:06,940 --> 03:34:11,400
up and down that road stops at that road, but what I'm really wanting to know, and I don't

2564
03:34:11,400 --> 03:34:17,720
know Falcon Group is aware, but the nights have such low, all of our property out there

2565
03:34:17,720 --> 03:34:29,440
again, I want to add to that. They have big culvert pipes running from their property onto the back of our property across the county frontage road into the back where they had sold the property.

2566
03:34:30,040 --> 03:34:41,480
Now it's just not our house. I am like next to the night's property and when it hurricanes or rain or anything, these culvert pipes are just gush and water and they say they have an agreement with the county.

2567
03:34:41,480 --> 03:34:46,640
I have not seen that agreement or contract and I don't know if anybody else on giant

2568
03:34:46,640 --> 03:34:53,380
road down there has seen any contract where they have those culvert pipes so falcon

2569
03:34:53,380 --> 03:34:53,940
group.

2570
03:34:54,580 --> 03:34:59,980
Do you aware of the flooding that the pipes are you going to stop them or the pipes?

2571
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:13,900
What's going to be dug up? Are we going to have more flooding from the neighborhood property going in there that we can't even live there? The water comes all the way up to my garage door. And we're built up like five cement blocks.

2572
03:35:14,040 --> 03:35:27,860
It pounds so much dirt and sand and everything brought in. So I just want Falcon Group to know, and if you guys are I know, and I would like to know who I can contact with the county to see if they really do have a contract with you guys.

2573
03:35:27,860 --> 03:35:33,980
So if the night property is flooding the county and the county is flooding me, I don't have

2574
03:35:33,980 --> 03:35:35,240
a contract with the county.

2575
03:35:36,380 --> 03:35:38,600
So something may can be done in regards to that.

2576
03:35:38,740 --> 03:35:43,300
If someone can contact me or get me the information, I'd appreciate it.

2577
03:35:43,440 --> 03:35:43,580
Okay.

2578
03:35:43,760 --> 03:35:45,100
Thank you.

2579
03:35:45,520 --> 03:35:45,540
Thank you.

2580
03:35:46,020 --> 03:35:46,900
Anyone else?

2581
03:35:47,320 --> 03:35:48,440
Which is to speak?

2582
03:35:50,860 --> 03:35:55,660
Seeing none, I'll ask the applicant if he would come back and address some of the concerns

2583
03:35:55,660 --> 03:35:58,300
questions that we've been given.

2584
03:36:13,960 --> 03:36:14,820
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2585
03:36:16,520 --> 03:36:22,520
A couple of things I want to touch on, and I'm going to try to hit the issues, hopefully

2586
03:36:22,520 --> 03:36:22,960
in order.

2587
03:36:23,600 --> 03:36:27,140
But if I miss something, and do you feel like I need to address it further, please?

2588
03:36:27,560 --> 03:36:28,320
Let me know.

2589
03:36:29,540 --> 03:36:37,520
As it relates to the first gentleman, relative to Alderman Road and Buffering and things like

2590
03:36:37,520 --> 03:36:39,940
we'll be bringing it up to the county standard.

2591
03:36:40,660 --> 03:36:42,920
We'll be dedicating the necessary right away

2592
03:36:42,920 --> 03:36:46,780
on our side of the property to the extent we control it

2593
03:36:46,780 --> 03:36:50,420
to bring that right away up and be making any improvements

2594
03:36:50,420 --> 03:36:52,060
that are required by the county,

2595
03:36:52,540 --> 03:36:57,060
if there are deficiencies, it will be rectified.

2596
03:36:57,540 --> 03:37:00,660
So you're looking at for a collector road 40 feet from center line

2597
03:37:00,660 --> 03:37:02,020
as far as right away.

2598
03:37:02,180 --> 03:37:04,200
So if there's any deficiencies when we go out and survey,

2599
03:37:04,200 --> 03:37:12,880
will mitigate those, as well as come in and do some resurfacing and reconstruction as required

2600
03:37:12,880 --> 03:37:19,840
by your engineering department. Those are, again, level two issues, not necessarily things

2601
03:37:19,840 --> 03:37:28,080
that we go out and design and identify and address specifically today. The Type-C landscape buffer

2602
03:37:28,080 --> 03:37:33,340
is defined by your lane of element code. Candidly, I don't remember every specific detail

2603
03:37:33,340 --> 03:37:37,660
of it. However, I know it's a mixture of trees, understory and

2604
03:37:37,660 --> 03:37:41,120
overstory trees as well as shrubs planted, and that's defined on

2605
03:37:41,120 --> 03:37:45,300
every 100 foot section. So every 100 feet you have to have a

2606
03:37:45,300 --> 03:37:47,600
certain number of overstory trees and a certain number of

2607
03:37:47,600 --> 03:37:51,040
understory trees and things like that. But again, so we'll be

2608
03:37:51,040 --> 03:37:53,340
implementing that, that will be part of the site development.

2609
03:37:53,540 --> 03:37:54,040
There you go.

2610
03:37:56,790 --> 03:38:00,730
Four canopy trees, every 100 feet, five

2611
03:38:00,730 --> 03:38:04,690
understory trees, every 100 feet and 20 shrubs, every 100 feet.

2612
03:38:04,690 --> 03:38:09,030
If a fence is implemented, you can do some additional,

2613
03:38:09,230 --> 03:38:11,770
you can reduce some of those plannings.

2614
03:38:11,930 --> 03:38:14,870
But at this time, we haven't made any decisions on whether or

2615
03:38:14,870 --> 03:38:16,330
not there's going to be any fencing involved.

2616
03:38:18,370 --> 03:38:20,950
So that's will go by your lane development good.

2617
03:38:21,610 --> 03:38:22,790
Thank you for pulling that out.

2618
03:38:26,040 --> 03:38:27,620
Let's see, what else do we have?

2619
03:38:27,960 --> 03:38:31,720
The density issue relative to seven dwelling units in acre,

2620
03:38:32,140 --> 03:38:34,740
based on the 6,000 square foot,

2621
03:38:34,740 --> 03:38:42,460
lot size. We calculate density on the gross for a reason because if you only look at the

2622
03:38:42,460 --> 03:38:49,380
lot size, you discount all the other land within this division that needs used to support

2623
03:38:49,380 --> 03:38:57,480
those slots, stormwater ponds, roads, amenity centers, all of the extra parking, all of

2624
03:38:57,480 --> 03:39:02,300
that stuff comes into play to support the lot. So you can't take a lot size and divide it

2625
03:39:02,300 --> 03:39:08,980
to acres, you can't take 6,000 into 43,000, 560 and say it's 7.

2626
03:39:09,840 --> 03:39:15,040
You have to account for all of the other activity, all the other use of the land, where

2627
03:39:15,040 --> 03:39:16,780
at 2.6 dwelling units to an acre.

2628
03:39:17,920 --> 03:39:22,740
The Apple Quirk project that is quarter acre lots was originally 50 foot lots.

2629
03:39:23,500 --> 03:39:30,000
It was permitted, approved, the APD by this board, as well as, through, by the Board of

2630
03:39:30,000 --> 03:39:31,680
County Commissioners, it's 50 foot lots.

2631
03:39:31,680 --> 03:39:37,280
The reason why that is now quarter-acre a lot is because of the inability to get sewer there

2632
03:39:38,200 --> 03:39:42,980
And because you couldn't have sewer you had to go on septic therefore it is

2633
03:39:43,680 --> 03:39:51,180
All on an entirely on septic tank lots that that is why we have sewer and water and sewer available

2634
03:39:51,180 --> 03:39:55,600
I share the utility lines. We will be forced to connect it out

2635
03:39:55,600 --> 03:39:59,980
To those lines and make those in extensions and connections. So that's

2636
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:08,620
That's a big difference between the Walker Road Apple Quirk project as well.

2637
03:40:09,080 --> 03:40:14,900
Dranich, Mr. Nanskin, I don't know if I can switch it or not.

2638
03:40:15,560 --> 03:40:21,400
I hate this, I don't like this, I'm going to have control.

2639
03:40:26,430 --> 03:40:26,430
I

2640
03:40:42,840 --> 03:40:46,460
guess that would be one of my biggest concerns, because you mentioned it.

2641
03:40:46,460 --> 03:40:53,020
And then anybody says, I can't say it, express a sense of, I automatically think of all

2642
03:40:53,020 --> 03:40:57,280
of the horror stories years ago when people were just inundated.

2643
03:40:58,040 --> 03:41:06,180
We're very familiar with the H.P.A.C.S. space, and a lot of the development that has occurred

2644
03:41:06,180 --> 03:41:12,140
out there has occurred prior to, and you've heard Mr. Nancy, to prior to comprehensive planning,

2645
03:41:12,140 --> 03:41:16,480
prior to today's standards, prior to water management

2646
03:41:16,480 --> 03:41:20,480
district standards, no storm water ponds, things of that nature.

2647
03:41:20,680 --> 03:41:22,840
If you look at the, and you, Mr. N.

2648
03:41:22,840 --> 03:41:25,960
you had an exhibit that showed the floodplain.

2649
03:41:26,500 --> 03:41:28,360
I didn't put that in my powerpoint.

2650
03:41:40,950 --> 03:41:45,490
You can see the flood zone area, the, a lot of these homes,

2651
03:41:45,510 --> 03:41:49,830
existing homes are almost entirely, if not entirely in the flood zone.

2652
03:41:50,190 --> 03:41:52,710
So the fact that there is flooding that's occurring out there

2653
03:41:52,710 --> 03:41:54,970
is a naturally occurring phenomenon.

2654
03:41:56,570 --> 03:42:00,810
This property can't fix the issue for other people.

2655
03:42:02,250 --> 03:42:03,090
Just can't.

2656
03:42:03,230 --> 03:42:04,830
Whether this property develops or not,

2657
03:42:05,010 --> 03:42:07,610
there is potential for flooding in the area.

2658
03:42:08,530 --> 03:42:10,750
I mean, that's just the fact, I don't disagree.

2659
03:42:12,430 --> 03:42:15,050
Our property owner, the Knights of Owners Property

2660
03:42:15,050 --> 03:42:17,510
for 100 years, they recognize that there's flooding

2661
03:42:17,510 --> 03:42:19,090
and drainage issues out in this area.

2662
03:42:19,450 --> 03:42:20,630
But if you look at this map,

2663
03:42:20,630 --> 03:42:25,310
The majority of what is being proposed is not in a flood zone.

2664
03:42:25,630 --> 03:42:27,170
It's outside that flood zone.

2665
03:42:28,010 --> 03:42:32,210
We'll be working to make sure that those areas that are developed

2666
03:42:32,210 --> 03:42:34,570
do not have off-site impacts.

2667
03:42:34,910 --> 03:42:39,010
From a drainage perspective to the residents on the west side of Alderman,

2668
03:42:39,630 --> 03:42:41,990
the way the site naturally drains today,

2669
03:42:42,370 --> 03:42:46,770
as you can see the drainage surface water ditch that runs to the site,

2670
03:42:46,770 --> 03:42:48,650
that will remain unchanged.

2671
03:42:48,650 --> 03:42:51,110
It will continue to drain to the north.

2672
03:42:51,370 --> 03:42:53,830
So the site doesn't drain to the west.

2673
03:42:53,890 --> 03:42:56,830
It drains to the north end of the Ichapakasasa Creek basin.

2674
03:42:57,370 --> 03:43:00,130
And as I mentioned, we have a condition that requires us

2675
03:43:00,130 --> 03:43:03,910
to model this and do stormwater studies to the 100-year storm,

2676
03:43:04,750 --> 03:43:06,970
treat our project as if it's a closed basin.

2677
03:43:07,290 --> 03:43:10,670
Make sure that there's no discharge volumetric,

2678
03:43:12,150 --> 03:43:16,950
involume, and inflowate as how quickly it leaves the site.

2679
03:43:16,950 --> 03:43:21,390
We have to accept water onto our site, model that too.

2680
03:43:21,550 --> 03:43:24,730
We have to make sure that this site does not have any effects upstream or downstream.

2681
03:43:25,610 --> 03:43:29,770
And that's all part of the engineering and design and permitting process with the county,

2682
03:43:30,310 --> 03:43:33,430
with your engineering folks, as well as water management district.

2683
03:43:34,350 --> 03:43:38,090
But again, that doesn't come until later down the way.

2684
03:43:38,550 --> 03:43:40,130
We fully recognize that.

2685
03:43:40,390 --> 03:43:45,610
We've done everything we can at this point to recognize it and address it through conditions,

2686
03:43:45,610 --> 03:43:49,650
so that we ensure that we address it when we get to design and permit.

2687
03:43:51,010 --> 03:43:59,770
So we have heard them loud and clear, we recognize y'all have concerns and we've done the best we can to address them to the extent we can today.

2688
03:44:01,030 --> 03:44:02,310
I think this is a good project.

2689
03:44:03,050 --> 03:44:08,750
Again, lots sizes different, single family and single family, they're basically the same thing.

2690
03:44:08,950 --> 03:44:10,950
Lots sizes can vary.

2691
03:44:10,950 --> 03:44:14,090
This property around this is residential low.

2692
03:44:14,170 --> 03:44:18,510
As you move to the other side of the folks on the west side of Alderman Road, you get

2693
03:44:18,510 --> 03:44:19,210
into industrial.

2694
03:44:19,990 --> 03:44:24,230
As you move further west into plant city, you're going to have a signalized intersection

2695
03:44:24,230 --> 03:44:29,690
at County Line Road and Swindell, you're going to have industrial and commercial development

2696
03:44:29,690 --> 03:44:30,610
there.

2697
03:44:31,750 --> 03:44:37,110
The property on the immediate south side of this property on the other side of Swindell Road

2698
03:44:37,110 --> 03:44:39,850
is cleared and being developed as industrial today.

2699
03:44:39,850 --> 03:44:47,890
This area is urbanizing, it is developing, being urban doesn't necessarily mean you're in a municipal limit.

2700
03:44:48,150 --> 03:44:49,710
It's what's going on around you.

2701
03:44:50,150 --> 03:44:55,550
So while we are not asking for to be in the city limits, this is an urban area.

2702
03:44:57,270 --> 03:44:59,970
One of the constraints that

2703
03:45:00,050 --> 03:45:08,440
That has on this peach property. If you look in this bottom right corner of the site you see, I

2704
03:45:08,440 --> 03:45:12,460
have got a little notch there and we have just is kind of limited our frontage on Swindell Road.

2705
03:45:13,040 --> 03:45:18,320
That's a stormwater pond. That's stormwater pond is a result of a taking from the DOT. So that's

2706
03:45:18,320 --> 03:45:25,420
a DOT stormwater pond. So we're having to work around all these different issues and we can

2707
03:45:25,420 --> 03:45:30,680
get through it, but we need we have to get to the engineering design stage. So you've got a lot

2708
03:45:30,680 --> 03:45:35,200
different things kind of going on in this area but this is an ideal area. That's what your

2709
03:45:35,200 --> 03:45:39,960
conference will plan again. We talked about the transit supported development area. We talked about

2710
03:45:39,960 --> 03:45:46,860
the transit corridor and the transit center. This is where the county's comp plan has indicated

2711
03:45:47,460 --> 03:45:53,420
development as to occur and you've got a staff report that says we meet all of your criteria

2712
03:45:53,420 --> 03:45:58,360
from the conference a plan land development code and that is compatible. You've heard seen our

2713
03:45:58,360 --> 03:46:04,320
presentation. You've seen what the Falcon Group is proposing. I think this is an appropriate

2714
03:46:04,320 --> 03:46:08,260
project in the appropriate area, and we're going to request a favorable vote this morning.

2715
03:46:08,500 --> 03:46:10,000
We'll stand for any additional questions.

2716
03:46:13,480 --> 03:46:15,600
Any questions of the applicant?

2717
03:46:16,940 --> 03:46:21,340
Seeing none. I'll bring it back to the commission for discussion and emotion.

2718
03:46:26,120 --> 03:46:33,680
I make a motion to approve LDPG 202613 to include the additional conditions.

2719
03:46:33,680 --> 03:46:34,860
That

2720
03:46:37,040 --> 03:46:38,580
was one condition.

2721
03:46:38,580 --> 03:46:51,460
I can clarify it with the condition that the applicant requested was to address access management as a minor modification to the site plan as a level to review.

2722
03:46:53,360 --> 03:46:55,600
I'll second that motion.

2723
03:46:56,640 --> 03:46:57,000
Okay.

2724
03:46:58,640 --> 03:47:02,300
Motion second to approve roll call please.

2725
03:47:02,880 --> 03:47:03,660
Angel Sims.

2726
03:47:04,840 --> 03:47:05,320
Fourth motion.

2727
03:47:05,900 --> 03:47:06,760
Kevin update.

2728
03:47:06,760 --> 03:47:11,380
for the motion. Chad Baron for the motion. Brooke Gagneenie for the motion.

2729
03:47:11,640 --> 03:47:18,440
Murled Bishop for the motion. Cindy Janamoso for the motion. Shane Bevalar

2730
03:47:18,440 --> 03:47:21,900
Coa for the motion. Motion passes.

2731
03:47:26,130 --> 03:47:27,050
Thank you.

2732
03:47:30,690 --> 03:47:34,570
Next three cases will be presented together by Eric Peterson, the case

2733
03:47:34,570 --> 03:47:45,230
the CPL-2026-6, LDC-2026-4, and LDC-2026-17 for a solid waste management facility.

2734
03:48:14,410 --> 03:48:17,970
Just loading up the applicant's slide here, and I started.

2735
03:48:22,000 --> 03:48:24,500
Three cases in one, a lot of unpack here.

2736
03:48:24,780 --> 03:48:26,260
Eric Peterson for the Land Development Division.

2737
03:48:27,200 --> 03:48:29,120
You have a four-year comprehensive plan amendment.

2738
03:48:30,060 --> 03:48:32,400
Request you have before you a district change request,

2739
03:48:32,400 --> 03:48:40,740
And you have you before you a conditional use request for solid waste management facility as well as a power generation facility and a

2740
03:48:41,660 --> 03:48:44,200
Class 3 utility both water and wastewater

2741
03:48:45,060 --> 03:48:52,280
All in one hundred eighty three maillers were sent area property under son August 17 12 boards were posted on the property in August 12

2742
03:48:52,940 --> 03:48:56,740
Alia lad was published in the Pope's son on August 17

2743
03:48:57,820 --> 03:49:02,180
You have before you submitted to the record to the record a number of items

2744
03:49:02,400 --> 03:49:08,260
They are in your lead to star access, including the staff report, the ordinances.

2745
03:49:08,920 --> 03:49:13,140
The applications, the demonstration need, boundary surveys, site plan traffic, study,

2746
03:49:13,400 --> 03:49:19,300
solid waste, recycling research, and the also the final judgment on a related case

2747
03:49:19,300 --> 03:49:20,560
to this project.

2748
03:49:21,580 --> 03:49:24,620
First, I want to explain why we are here.

2749
03:49:24,680 --> 03:49:30,520
This is an institutional land use that's being requested in an institutional two district,

2750
03:49:30,520 --> 03:49:39,700
because the county only allows solid waste manufacturing or solid waste related businesses to be in the institutional district.

2751
03:49:40,460 --> 03:49:52,920
Now, solid waste recycling, manufacturing, things of that nature, any time you have a business that involves a byproduct of somebody else, it can fall into the solid waste category.

2752
03:49:54,300 --> 03:49:59,000
It's a fine line between manufacturing and re manufacturing.

2753
03:50:00,050 --> 03:50:15,470
Where we determine that it's re-manufacturing and required to meet the solid waste standards is when the either the transport or the product or the intake to the site is at the cost of a customer.

2754
03:50:16,550 --> 03:50:26,650
The the proprietor takes in an impact fee or the people bringing the waste there are starting it, bringing it to bearing the cost of transport.

2755
03:50:26,650 --> 03:50:32,870
So, on-site it's the same thing, they're manufacturing something with this input.

2756
03:50:34,250 --> 03:50:40,390
After it's done, most likely a solid waste facility is going to have to dispose of some

2757
03:50:40,390 --> 03:50:45,890
of the stuff it took in because not all of it was readily usable in the product.

2758
03:50:47,010 --> 03:50:51,630
That might happen in manufacturing too because there's a lot of inputs, but those were raw

2759
03:50:51,630 --> 03:50:58,250
inputs or those were new inputs and not by-products of some other manufacturing.

2760
03:50:58,590 --> 03:51:00,150
So it's a very fine line.

2761
03:51:00,830 --> 03:51:08,530
And that's why we're here, keep that in mind, sites located south of Mulberry, west of

2762
03:51:08,530 --> 03:51:20,090
Bartow, west of Fort Mead, near Bradley Junction, which was once an incorporated town in the

2763
03:51:20,090 --> 03:51:27,860
of us, a mining industry changed over time, the site is itself of 640.

2764
03:51:28,860 --> 03:51:31,980
This site has to the north or actually part of this site.

2765
03:51:32,060 --> 03:51:37,580
This is an overall site that has approval for a landfill, class one landfill, also a class

2766
03:51:37,580 --> 03:51:38,240
three landfill.

2767
03:51:38,920 --> 03:51:45,660
Also everything that's being requested today, they're asking to do some of those things that

2768
03:51:45,660 --> 03:51:49,620
they were approved for in a new location on the site.

2769
03:51:49,620 --> 03:51:57,540
Why? Because it works out better. This site right here has much more frontage. The

2770
03:51:57,540 --> 03:52:04,880
other, this portion of the project, these things are approved right here, but they

2771
03:52:04,880 --> 03:52:12,060
have to come out on 640. It's a long distance to 640. It's about a mile. This site

2772
03:52:12,060 --> 03:52:19,580
at self-to-use your access, it's a road that can bear higher volumes, a lot of different

2773
03:52:19,580 --> 03:52:27,620
reasons. And one big one is that there's all these other industrial facility or land

2774
03:52:27,620 --> 03:52:34,220
uses nearby, where manufacturing can be done. And the applicant owns a good number of

2775
03:52:35,140 --> 03:52:41,400
these properties and is marketing them to businesses that teeter on that balance between

2776
03:52:41,400 --> 03:52:49,420
are they manufacturing or are they re-manufacturing and this gives them the option to move

2777
03:52:49,420 --> 03:52:55,540
it to the other side of 37 if it happens to fall into that solid waste category.

2778
03:52:57,040 --> 03:53:03,500
So the request includes a change from PM to institutional, bossate mining to institutional,

2779
03:53:04,080 --> 03:53:10,260
and then a district change from institutional one which is the default to institutional two.

2780
03:53:13,170 --> 03:53:19,490
Remember again how these work together. These land uses work together in much closer proximity

2781
03:53:20,110 --> 03:53:22,770
To one another and can be interconnected.

2782
03:53:25,050 --> 03:53:28,010
Here's a site plan. I'm sure you can all make that out

2783
03:53:29,250 --> 03:53:30,130
It's a

2784
03:53:30,130 --> 03:53:34,870
It's a little hard to read you have it before you can zoom in on it, but I

2785
03:53:34,870 --> 03:53:36,250
Just thought I'd

2786
03:53:36,250 --> 03:53:40,350
Blow it up a little bit and make it a little easier to to see on the side

2787
03:53:40,350 --> 03:53:41,290
Thank you.

2788
03:53:42,630 --> 03:53:46,050
So the bulk of the re-manufacturing activity

2789
03:53:46,050 --> 03:53:48,010
will be on the north end.

2790
03:53:48,690 --> 03:53:50,070
There are four access points.

2791
03:53:51,310 --> 03:53:54,030
One thing that's key to this development

2792
03:53:54,030 --> 03:53:57,610
and the other previous development, which you

2793
03:53:57,610 --> 03:54:02,070
have the conditions of in the conditional user request,

2794
03:54:02,410 --> 03:54:04,250
is this 200-foot-wide buffer.

2795
03:54:04,430 --> 03:54:08,190
Much of this buffer is in burns, large burns.

2796
03:54:08,190 --> 03:54:10,870
as much as 30 feet high.

2797
03:54:12,770 --> 03:54:15,690
So, there are industrial uses developing,

2798
03:54:15,790 --> 03:54:17,230
off of the Jamison Road.

2799
03:54:19,630 --> 03:54:23,830
The applicant seeks to eventually

2800
03:54:23,830 --> 03:54:27,510
do some type of renewable energy on the site.

2801
03:54:27,670 --> 03:54:29,310
There's a possibility of that.

2802
03:54:29,450 --> 03:54:33,550
It's located very close to a 230 kilovolt

2803
03:54:33,550 --> 03:54:38,770
to 130 KV line that comes into the property and crosses it.

2804
03:54:39,770 --> 03:54:41,290
Excellent location for that.

2805
03:54:41,610 --> 03:54:44,250
There's also a waste water treatment plant

2806
03:54:44,250 --> 03:54:47,270
It would be located on the lowest portion of the property

2807
03:54:47,270 --> 03:54:49,670
So everything flows downhill to it.

2808
03:54:49,850 --> 03:54:51,770
So it makes it a lot more better place

2809
03:54:51,770 --> 03:54:55,110
Unlike some cities I might know that

2810
03:54:55,110 --> 03:54:58,010
But there's sewage treatment plan on the top of the hill

2811
03:54:58,010 --> 03:54:59,970
But another story.

2812
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:18,920
For another day. Other uses in the area. Of course, we have the rolling hill subdivision. The property line is over 2,000 feet away from the nearest residents on this and the rolling hills. The base property line here is over 2,000 feet away from Bradley Junction.

2813
03:55:20,020 --> 03:55:22,360
There's other things going on in the site.

2814
03:55:22,720 --> 03:55:27,520
There's a storm debris management, which Polk County definitely needs during hurricane

2815
03:55:27,520 --> 03:55:29,620
weather, hurricane events.

2816
03:55:30,840 --> 03:55:35,220
So that in itself is a plus for the county.

2817
03:55:36,560 --> 03:55:42,360
The applicant is approved to do composting of agricultural related products already.

2818
03:55:42,780 --> 03:55:46,320
That would be intermixed with organic processing.

2819
03:55:46,320 --> 03:55:51,980
We have a condition of approval in the CU that's that that that deals with

2820
03:55:52,880 --> 03:55:55,560
Putressable waste that's anything that's breaking down

2821
03:55:55,560 --> 03:56:02,380
If it's not related agriculture, which they're already permitted to then it's got to be done in an enclosed building or an enclosed container

2822
03:56:02,380 --> 03:56:08,220
So that keeps it from being that the next BS ranch if anybody remembers that

2823
03:56:09,600 --> 03:56:10,940
type of solid waste facility

2824
03:56:13,320 --> 03:56:16,480
So that covers that issue there.

2825
03:56:17,820 --> 03:56:22,680
A lot of the site is in floodplain or shown in floodplain.

2826
03:56:23,280 --> 03:56:27,300
A lot of the site is in reclamation for wetlands

2827
03:56:27,300 --> 03:56:30,580
and things of that nature and those will still remain or be modified

2828
03:56:32,880 --> 03:56:35,120
in the confines of their permits.

2829
03:56:35,640 --> 03:56:37,620
A lot of the site will be used for storm water.

2830
03:56:37,620 --> 03:56:45,180
Some of the impact assessment estimates you see through the report gives you the absolute worst case scenario.

2831
03:56:45,780 --> 03:56:55,460
There's not that much land that can be used for buildings for things that would create impacts.

2832
03:56:55,620 --> 03:57:00,320
A lot of that's going to have to be used for floodplain compensation and also handling storm water.

2833
03:57:00,320 --> 03:57:06,320
There are conditions of approval on the prior approval and with this one that they meet the

2834
03:57:06,320 --> 03:57:08,640
hundred year storm of it on this property.

2835
03:57:09,220 --> 03:57:10,560
It's not in a closed basin.

2836
03:57:10,940 --> 03:57:20,620
There's a way for the water to reach the alfaya river, but there's some constrained areas

2837
03:57:20,620 --> 03:57:25,380
that go through rally junction where the capacity is not stellar and so for that reason

2838
03:57:25,380 --> 03:57:29,520
we're requesting that it meet the hundred year as we did in the other project.

2839
03:57:30,460 --> 03:57:36,740
This is what the site looked like, back in 2009, the Soul Conservation Service states for

2840
03:57:36,740 --> 03:57:43,900
airant soils, which occupy a good portion of the Uplains area, that they not be built

2841
03:57:43,900 --> 03:57:48,680
on or developed until at least 20 years after their mining has ceased.

2842
03:57:49,260 --> 03:57:55,280
It's been about 26 years, so this portion of the property is due for use.

2843
03:57:55,280 --> 03:57:59,780
This shows you some pictures along the side of the site.

2844
03:58:00,600 --> 03:58:07,080
This is looking off a 37 at several of the points along 37.

2845
03:58:07,640 --> 03:58:11,280
Most of it is a buffer that's well vegetated.

2846
03:58:11,400 --> 03:58:12,220
It's got live oaks.

2847
03:58:12,440 --> 03:58:15,320
It's got all kinds of tree species.

2848
03:58:17,260 --> 03:58:19,520
Cogagras that goes up to your armpit.

2849
03:58:20,940 --> 03:58:23,480
It's throughout the site.

2850
03:58:23,480 --> 03:58:29,580
It'll be very hard to see what's going on in there unless you've got an opening, unless you've got an entrance.

2851
03:58:30,360 --> 03:58:35,840
Because of the Birmingham, because of the vegetation that's there, it's 200 feet is not going to be disturbed.

2852
03:58:36,660 --> 03:58:39,680
Once you get to the top of the berms, you can see into the site.

2853
03:58:40,120 --> 03:58:43,480
You see it's fairly flat and it's a buildable area there.

2854
03:58:44,140 --> 03:58:50,120
And you see how much you have to overcome to, as a passerby to look into the site.

2855
03:58:50,120 --> 03:58:57,720
So it will be well buffered from any residential or passerby traffic.

2856
03:58:59,200 --> 03:59:03,040
I showed you a picture here, and I showed you a picture there.

2857
03:59:03,080 --> 03:59:05,220
I'm going to walk you through some other points of the project.

2858
03:59:07,850 --> 03:59:10,330
This is looking at some of the land inside.

2859
03:59:10,350 --> 03:59:15,150
This is when she gets inside, you see the buffer looking out towards Jamison Road.

2860
03:59:17,740 --> 03:59:22,080
This is looking from one of the top of the berms that bifurcates the property.

2861
03:59:23,720 --> 03:59:27,280
The easily-developable area is over here.

2862
03:59:27,580 --> 03:59:33,420
This is the area in which there's a lot of wetland conservation and things.

2863
03:59:34,240 --> 03:59:37,540
There's actually a wetland bank that goes on on that side of the property.

2864
03:59:38,000 --> 03:59:45,960
Much of that will be remain undisturbed or will be amended to suit whatever needs there are.

2865
03:59:46,080 --> 03:59:51,400
This is looking again from the top of that central berm in the middle of the site development.

2866
03:59:52,940 --> 03:59:59,360
This is looking back at the highway over again from one of the berms on site and that has the more

2867
03:59:59,360 --> 03:59:59,720
available.

2868
04:00:00,880 --> 04:00:26,540
This is Jamison Road. It's just the beginning. It's first phase of the industrial park that will go there. There is a significantly large gas line that comes through Jamison that moves natural gas through the project. So if there are any uses that needed natural gas, it's in close proximity to the site as well as the high voltage power lines.

2869
04:00:27,880 --> 04:00:33,840
This is the site looking back at Bradley Junction from the bottom of the site.

2870
04:00:34,020 --> 04:00:40,100
There's that 230 KV line crossing the property looking north from the base of the site.

2871
04:00:41,440 --> 04:00:51,760
So in summation, this significantly improves the access to these types of uses that are already approved in the conditional use as it stands.

2872
04:00:51,760 --> 04:00:56,600
It puts them in a better location, more accessible, where they can be much, much more successful.

2873
04:00:57,380 --> 04:01:00,000
It also improves those connections with the industrial districts.

2874
04:01:00,200 --> 04:01:04,880
It gives us more opportunities for finding the right fit for those types of businesses that

2875
04:01:04,880 --> 04:01:06,860
teeter on that solid waste balance.

2876
04:01:07,800 --> 04:01:11,900
And it is consistent with all policies and objectives of the comprehensive plan with that.

2877
04:01:12,040 --> 04:01:12,700
I'll stand for questions.

2878
04:01:15,460 --> 04:01:16,740
Any questions or staff?

2879
04:01:19,840 --> 04:01:20,480
Seeing none.

2880
04:01:20,800 --> 04:01:22,420
I'll ask the applicant to come forward.

2881
04:01:28,930 --> 04:01:31,490
It's a rare too when we don't have anybody in the audience.

2882
04:01:32,610 --> 04:01:34,410
But where did everyone go?

2883
04:01:34,690 --> 04:01:35,150
Yeah exactly.

2884
04:01:35,510 --> 04:01:37,650
Eric is because I thought I said to get job.

2885
04:01:38,510 --> 04:01:39,670
I gave my best performance.

2886
04:01:41,510 --> 04:01:44,050
So I have a presentation, but I think Eric covered it all.

2887
04:01:44,930 --> 04:01:47,250
So with that, I won't delay any further.

2888
04:01:47,530 --> 04:01:52,250
But I'll give you an example of what happened in the reason why we wanted to expand this area

2889
04:01:52,250 --> 04:01:57,050
because we actually had an Italian company come to us.

2890
04:01:57,090 --> 04:02:00,650
Somebody asked earlier about what size of lots you typically sell.

2891
04:02:00,650 --> 04:02:03,730
And I had mentioned up to 40 acres.

2892
04:02:03,910 --> 04:02:09,930
We lost a sale from an Italian company that was wanting to come to Paul County to relocate

2893
04:02:09,930 --> 04:02:19,970
to convert free on AC, free on, from used units that they would be acquiring and convert

2894
04:02:19,970 --> 04:02:26,830
it back to so it could be reused because that falls under the recycling side of things.

2895
04:02:26,830 --> 04:02:32,170
So that's one of the reasons why this is such an important element because Polk County does

2896
04:02:32,170 --> 04:02:39,950
miss out on having recycling type uses, which is important all of us without having

2897
04:02:39,950 --> 04:02:41,470
these kind of land use changes.

2898
04:02:41,950 --> 04:02:46,450
So with that I'll stand for questions and be glad to answer any of that.

2899
04:02:46,730 --> 04:02:47,390
Thank you.

2900
04:02:47,470 --> 04:02:49,390
Any questions that I've forgotten?

2901
04:02:50,150 --> 04:02:57,050
Seeing none, I opened the public hearing and asked us anybody to speak in favor of our opposition.

2902
04:02:57,870 --> 04:03:02,550
Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the commission for a discussion and a motion.

2903
04:03:05,290 --> 04:03:10,810
Mr. Chair, I moved to approve LDCPAL-2026-6.

2904
04:03:11,190 --> 04:03:11,990
I have a motion.

2905
04:03:17,900 --> 04:03:18,860
I'll second.

2906
04:03:19,680 --> 04:03:20,280
I'll second.

2907
04:03:20,280 --> 04:03:22,420
Motion and second to approve roll call please.

2908
04:03:25,500 --> 04:03:26,460
Shane Bevelakwa,

2909
04:03:32,070 --> 04:03:33,030
you don't know what you're doing.

2910
04:03:34,870 --> 04:03:37,370
He's trying to put it like this.

2911
04:03:39,210 --> 04:03:40,170
Yeah, it's approved.

2912
04:03:41,350 --> 04:03:44,250
Cindy Janamoso, for the motion.

2913
04:03:44,970 --> 04:03:45,370
Marlvisha.

2914
04:03:45,390 --> 04:03:45,930
For the motion.

2915
04:03:46,270 --> 04:03:46,890
For the motion.

2916
04:03:47,170 --> 04:03:47,830
For the motion.

2917
04:03:48,410 --> 04:03:49,310
For the motion.

2918
04:03:49,410 --> 04:03:50,170
Kevin Appdike.

2919
04:03:50,310 --> 04:03:50,850
For the motion.

2920
04:03:51,770 --> 04:03:52,350
For the motion.

2921
04:03:52,550 --> 04:03:53,210
Motion passes.

2922
04:03:55,430 --> 04:03:57,690
And I need a motion for the next one.

2923
04:03:57,690 --> 04:03:58,850
I'll just keep it rolling.

2924
04:03:59,370 --> 04:04:06,050
I move to approve L.D.C.D.-2026-4.

2925
04:04:06,430 --> 04:04:07,490
Second, Kevin.

2926
04:04:08,350 --> 04:04:10,530
Motion, second, approve for a couple of please.

2927
04:04:10,990 --> 04:04:12,350
Shane Bevolacqua.

2928
04:04:12,830 --> 04:04:13,290
For the motion.

2929
04:04:13,710 --> 04:04:15,790
Cindy Gianlamoso for the motion, Murl Bishop.

2930
04:04:16,030 --> 04:04:16,450
For the motion.

2931
04:04:16,650 --> 04:04:17,390
Brooke Agneany.

2932
04:04:18,230 --> 04:04:18,650
For the motion.

2933
04:04:18,910 --> 04:04:20,030
Chad Barron.

2934
04:04:20,510 --> 04:04:20,870
For the motion.

2935
04:04:20,970 --> 04:04:21,490
Kevin Updye.

2936
04:04:21,550 --> 04:04:22,110
For the motion.

2937
04:04:22,410 --> 04:04:23,030
Angel Sen.

2938
04:04:23,170 --> 04:04:23,730
For the motion.

2939
04:04:24,030 --> 04:04:24,930
Motion passes.

2940
04:04:25,950 --> 04:04:26,410
Thank you.

2941
04:04:26,410 --> 04:04:27,810
and the

2942
04:04:28,320 --> 04:04:32,390
move to approve LDCU-2026-17.

2943
04:04:35,090 --> 04:04:36,050
Second, Kevin.

2944
04:04:40,090 --> 04:04:41,350
Shane Bevelakwa.

2945
04:04:41,630 --> 04:04:42,130
For the motion.

2946
04:04:42,590 --> 04:04:43,950
Cindy Jennam also for the motion.

2947
04:04:44,350 --> 04:04:44,690
Mark Besscher.

2948
04:04:47,050 --> 04:04:47,590
Brooke Agnini.

2949
04:04:47,690 --> 04:04:48,410
For the motion.

2950
04:04:48,790 --> 04:04:49,150
Chad Baron.

2951
04:04:49,350 --> 04:04:49,830
For the motion.

2952
04:04:50,050 --> 04:04:50,730
Kevin Appdike.

2953
04:04:50,890 --> 04:04:51,390
For the motion.

2954
04:04:51,590 --> 04:04:52,390
Angel Sims.

2955
04:04:52,950 --> 04:04:53,370
For the motion.

2956
04:04:53,690 --> 04:04:54,650
Motion passes.

2957
04:04:56,980 --> 04:04:57,860
Last case.

2958
04:04:59,120 --> 04:04:59,340
All right.

2959
04:04:59,340 --> 04:04:59,800
This one.

2960
04:05:07,160 --> 04:05:16,820
First ask to do a section 902 in code enforcement. When someone decided for a land development code violation, they are supposed to bring the property and compliance prior to the case being settled.

2961
04:05:17,560 --> 04:05:28,820
To often what happens is the site plan is approved, but the work is never completed. The infraction is dismissed because of this approval. The amendment will explicitly state that code fractions are not resolved until plans are approved and expected for compliance.

2962
04:05:30,260 --> 04:05:36,120
changes the sections 905 and 972 involved the development review committee or DRC. The

2963
04:05:36,120 --> 04:05:39,940
function of DRC has evolved since the adoption of the land development code, but is

2964
04:05:39,940 --> 04:05:43,900
always required that applicants for level 2 reviews of engineered site plans at 10 to

2965
04:05:43,900 --> 04:05:48,540
meeting after the first round of staff's efficiency with you. With the advances in communication

2966
04:05:48,540 --> 04:05:53,260
investment and site plan review technology, these in-person meetings simply are unnecessary

2967
04:05:53,260 --> 04:05:58,060
as a requirement. DRC will still offer them if an applicant would like, but attending a meeting

2968
04:05:58,060 --> 04:06:00,760
won't be mandated to gain approval of those plans any further.

2969
04:06:02,280 --> 04:06:05,680
Another effort to streamline development applications, this amendment is adding language

2970
04:06:05,680 --> 04:06:07,660
for word known as the pre-design meetings.

2971
04:06:08,220 --> 04:06:12,060
These were created by the county engineer to provide technical guidance to a level to review

2972
04:06:12,060 --> 04:06:14,380
applicant prior to formal submission of plans.

2973
04:06:15,140 --> 04:06:19,420
These are voluntary but more in-depth and pre-application meetings which focus more on process

2974
04:06:19,420 --> 04:06:20,620
than site plan review.

2975
04:06:21,260 --> 04:06:24,680
This amendment will add language for both pre-design and pre-application meetings to the

2976
04:06:24,680 --> 04:06:27,720
to list a purpose in what applicants should submit for review.

2977
04:06:29,860 --> 04:06:35,860
Next, the comprehensive plan has long required a pre-application meeting prior to the submission of a comprehensive plan amendment.

2978
04:06:36,560 --> 04:06:38,380
However, that has not been written into the code.

2979
04:06:39,100 --> 04:06:42,580
This has led to countless rejected or delayed level four review applications,

2980
04:06:42,940 --> 04:06:45,180
because the language was buried in the comprehensive plan.

2981
04:06:45,520 --> 04:06:48,140
And Shanda has had to deliver a lot of bad news over the years for that.

2982
04:06:49,020 --> 04:06:53,100
Hopefully by adding this to the LDC, staff can ward off these premature applications.

2983
04:06:53,920 --> 04:06:58,920
Finally, this amendment will change the Dinovo policy in section 1922, currently if an applicant

2984
04:06:58,920 --> 04:07:03,520
for a Dinovo appeal wants to withdraw the appeal, he or she must do so prior to 20 days

2985
04:07:03,520 --> 04:07:04,260
before the hearing.

2986
04:07:04,860 --> 04:07:08,420
The county recently had a situation where the applicant for the development and a residence

2987
04:07:08,420 --> 04:07:12,440
who filed a appeal worked through the issues on their own and the applicant for the Dinovo

2988
04:07:12,440 --> 04:07:16,740
requested a withdrawal within the 20 days, which required it to remain on the agenda and

2989
04:07:16,740 --> 04:07:18,200
for the board to formally withdraw it.

2990
04:07:18,440 --> 04:07:22,100
This will be changed to allow it administrative withdrawal within 20 days.

2991
04:07:22,800 --> 04:07:26,740
Again, a handful of cleanup items, provider liability for citizens and staff when they deal

2992
04:07:26,740 --> 04:07:27,900
with the land development code.

2993
04:07:28,380 --> 04:07:31,780
For the record of this case was advertised on August 19th, no response.

2994
04:07:32,120 --> 04:07:35,740
This is said to be heard by the Board on October 6 when the adoption hearing set for

2995
04:07:35,740 --> 04:07:36,660
October 20th.

2996
04:07:36,700 --> 04:07:38,640
Staff recommends approval and we'll stand for questions.

2997
04:07:39,540 --> 04:07:41,460
Any questions on this staff?

2998
04:07:42,360 --> 04:07:46,380
Seeing none, I'll open the public hearing as if there's anyone here to speak in favor

2999
04:07:46,380 --> 04:07:52,160
our Opposition. Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the Commission for Discussion and Emotion.

3000
04:07:58,170 --> 04:08:03,110
Mr. Chair, I move to approve LDCT-2026-17.

3001
04:08:05,310 --> 04:08:11,450
Second, have a motion of second, on favor of seeing love of seeing eye, motion passes.

3002
04:08:12,310 --> 04:08:12,550
Shonda.

3003
04:08:15,770 --> 04:08:17,590
Thank you. Shonda been at line development.

3004
04:08:17,710 --> 04:08:20,910
I'm really interested in what you have to say, but I must be brief.

3005
04:08:22,230 --> 04:08:26,270
I could, but there's a couple of new members that haven't really moved in.

3006
04:08:26,270 --> 04:08:27,750
I don't know about the conference plan.

3007
04:08:28,190 --> 04:08:28,490
All right.

3008
04:08:29,070 --> 04:08:32,370
Well, maybe one and a half, Chad, kind of, Mr. Baron, kind of knows.

3009
04:08:33,790 --> 04:08:38,930
So, for those of you who don't know, the County Commission's directed staff to update

3010
04:08:38,930 --> 04:08:41,050
the conference plan, are we right?

3011
04:08:42,090 --> 04:08:43,650
Comments of I'm first adopted in 1991.

3012
04:08:44,990 --> 04:08:50,550
And we've been working with a committee that the Board appointed for the Lover year.

3013
04:08:50,550 --> 04:08:58,610
Mr. Baron, you should know that we have finished the committee finished last week on the 26th, 27th meeting.

3014
04:08:58,970 --> 04:09:01,650
What did they do? I'm sorry?

3015
04:09:01,930 --> 04:09:03,110
What did what did Chad do?

3016
04:09:03,270 --> 04:09:04,690
He was on there for a bit.

3017
04:09:05,450 --> 04:09:06,210
Oh, you served.

3018
04:09:06,470 --> 04:09:06,990
He was.

3019
04:09:08,390 --> 04:09:14,870
So we had 27 meetings of the committee, 54 committee hours, over 100 staff hours, 11 elements reviewed,

3020
04:09:15,350 --> 04:09:18,290
8 sections and appendices reviewed within the conference plan.

3021
04:09:18,290 --> 04:09:24,290
In the time frame that the community has been formed, the county got 30,000 more people.

3022
04:09:25,070 --> 04:09:25,570
Wow.

3023
04:09:25,730 --> 04:09:29,690
Move to the county in that year and a half, year and a few months time frame.

3024
04:09:30,550 --> 04:09:31,990
So, you know, west for the weary.

3025
04:09:33,630 --> 04:09:37,270
Just some of you, a little bit of past information.

3026
04:09:38,010 --> 04:09:40,130
The public engagement we had before the community started.

3027
04:09:40,190 --> 04:09:41,790
We had eight stakeholder group interviews.

3028
04:09:41,970 --> 04:09:42,570
Three community.

3029
04:09:43,150 --> 04:09:43,870
Pop up events.

3030
04:09:43,990 --> 04:09:45,250
Seven county wide workshops.

3031
04:09:45,530 --> 04:09:46,870
Three listening sessions.

3032
04:09:46,870 --> 04:09:48,910
It sounds like the 12 days of Christmas.

3033
04:09:49,610 --> 04:09:57,250
5,000 to 27 website visits 574 surveys taken 944 website contributions, 4,542

3034
04:09:57,250 --> 04:09:59,270
vision preferences, tallyed.

3035
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:07,800
We had a few themes that came out of that public engagement that we've proceeded with our changes in the conference plan.

3036
04:10:09,220 --> 04:10:18,960
Now, the elements start getting a little bit more complicated in terms of the interactions with the committee and the changes that were made more substantive and rather than just simple changes.

3037
04:10:18,960 --> 04:10:23,900
The infrastructure element has some complicated changes, but the conservation element took

3038
04:10:23,900 --> 04:10:31,420
actually a while to get completed, but overall the changes we reduce the interest

3039
04:10:31,420 --> 04:10:36,400
statement, we added more data or the community added more data to the environment-ly sensitive

3040
04:10:36,400 --> 04:10:45,400
overlays, bringing in different data sets, more policies about coordination, clearing

3041
04:10:45,400 --> 04:10:50,160
house for conservation tools and that actually will become the responsibility of the board

3042
04:10:50,160 --> 04:10:52,840
adopts that the Parks and Network Resource Division.

3043
04:10:53,960 --> 04:10:57,940
Level of service has was added to the conservation element.

3044
04:10:58,640 --> 04:11:03,160
So the idea is to acquire an additional 30,000 acres between 2020 and 2050.

3045
04:11:03,760 --> 04:11:05,820
That's the environmental land program.

3046
04:11:06,560 --> 04:11:12,600
Added some policies about dark skies, lighting, and added language about wildlife crossings,

3047
04:11:12,600 --> 04:11:19,280
not to be confused with the wildlife corridor, although they are related, but those were added

3048
04:11:19,280 --> 04:11:21,180
specifically into the conservation element.

3049
04:11:22,040 --> 04:11:28,200
Next steps are we are to form a board workshop to tell the board what the results are with all

3050
04:11:28,200 --> 04:11:35,800
the elements. And do a full, either ask the board, do you want to send the full rewrite through

3051
04:11:35,800 --> 04:11:40,300
the process into the state or do they want to divide it between burdensome and non-burned

3052
04:11:40,300 --> 04:11:46,120
policies, scheduled hearings, the other last two items for the consultant are to develop

3053
04:11:46,120 --> 04:11:52,540
a metrics of goals that we want to track over time that might guide us to changes as

3054
04:11:52,540 --> 04:12:01,420
we progress in time, and then a comprehensive plan, customer guide. So that's the synopsis

3055
04:12:01,420 --> 04:12:02,320
there of the changes.

3056
04:12:04,850 --> 04:12:05,630
I'll stay for any questions.

3057
04:12:05,630 --> 04:12:16,870
Does this identify burdensome policies that might be considered burdensome?

3058
04:12:16,870 --> 04:12:17,150
Yes.

3059
04:12:17,350 --> 04:12:18,790
We've identified them in yellow.

3060
04:12:19,290 --> 04:12:19,790
Yellow, okay.

3061
04:12:20,250 --> 04:12:29,650
One of the, over the course of the committee as well, there's been interesting reactions from the state about other jurisdictions that are sent up more burdensome.

3062
04:12:29,890 --> 04:12:32,010
And their tone has been changing?

3063
04:12:32,010 --> 04:12:37,830
really? With the orc report orc stands for objections, recommendations, and comments report.

3064
04:12:38,030 --> 04:12:42,530
So when we send a large scale conference appointment up to the state, they can be report

3065
04:12:42,530 --> 04:12:46,210
in the comment on it. And at first, they'd say your complaint is not going to avoid.

3066
04:12:46,710 --> 04:12:49,910
They've not been saying that. They said this potentially could be more burdensome.

3067
04:12:50,290 --> 04:12:54,390
But they have not been forced with an adoption. That's more burdensome.

3068
04:12:54,910 --> 04:12:57,610
And do we don't know what the state would do if they were faced with that?

3069
04:12:57,610 --> 04:13:03,390
I've heard that you started out by specifically just saying everything was more burdens,

3070
04:13:05,130 --> 04:13:13,810
which is, which is based upon, was it 3380, no 180, Senate Bill 180, Senate Bill 180,

3071
04:13:14,690 --> 04:13:19,950
and because of pushback and argument from local governments in saying, wait a minute, this

3072
04:13:19,950 --> 04:13:27,010
does this, and this does that, that they realize that it's not just a blanket, no it's more

3073
04:13:27,010 --> 04:13:38,930
There are situations where it is not necessarily more burdensome, so I'm encouraged to hear that they are changed their approach.

3074
04:13:39,450 --> 04:13:47,830
And what's interesting, the language of the more burdensome under Senate Bill 180 is not in the comprehensive planning section of state statute. It's in a different section.

3075
04:13:47,830 --> 04:13:53,590
So, what they're reviewing doesn't include that word burdensome language, it's the other sections.

3076
04:13:54,090 --> 04:13:56,090
So it's changing over time.

3077
04:13:57,590 --> 04:14:05,930
But I will send out an email because we have some new members that gets you the full elements that we send out.

3078
04:14:05,930 --> 04:14:12,870
The idea is to give you elements every month so that you're not getting the full compound amendment at one time a week before the hearing.

3079
04:14:14,610 --> 04:14:15,370
Thank you.

3080
04:14:15,530 --> 04:14:16,170
Thank you.

3081
04:14:18,970 --> 04:14:24,410
If there's no other business to come before us, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

3082
04:14:24,470 --> 04:14:26,610
chat bearing a motion to adjourn.

3083
04:14:27,650 --> 04:14:27,790
1.

3084
04:14:29,530 --> 04:14:29,630
1.

3085
04:14:29,870 --> 04:14:30,050
1.

3086
04:14:32,410 --> 04:14:32,530
1.

3087
04:14:32,530 --> 04:14:32,730
1.

3088
04:14:32,730 --> 04:14:34,750
We're adjourned. Thank you.