1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:10,639 Okay, good morning everyone. Let's call the meeting to order for P County 2 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:16,000 Commissioner's Court uh August 4th, 2026, which is a special session. It's 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:21,840 10:00 a.m. PK County Regional Health Building Suite A. 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:26,920 Okay. At this time, do we have anyone that's making public comment? Shelley 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,920 Sidden. 6 00:00:31,119 --> 00:00:37,200 Good morning. >> Good morning. 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:42,160 » Good morning. I just wanted to bring to the commissioner's court attention the 8 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:46,879 salary study that y'all approved the last time. I don't really believe it 9 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:52,480 affects my attorneys because they're exempt, nonclassified, and it's not 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:58,000 they're not on the pay scale. But y'all approved a schedule that says that my 11 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:04,479 attorneys are overpaid by $22,000, which is absolutely ridiculous. 12 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:09,040 And I'm disappointed about the commissioners that y'all would have 13 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:14,040 approved this pay scale and not ask a single question. There is 14 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:22,400 » I asked for a copy of the salary study, did not receive it. I got told they 15 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:26,960 would be meeting with me yesterday. Still have not had a meeting. Still have 16 00:01:25,119 --> 00:01:32,400 not been told what numbers were included in the underlying data. And I was told 17 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:36,960 it was sent to department heads. I don't know why I'm not considered a department 18 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:41,040 head. But I will tell you that if anyone wants to do a salary study on the 19 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:47,280 attorney schedules, it's very simple. You go to TDCAA, they list every county 20 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:54,240 what they're paying. Angelina County starts 90,000 for a misdemeanor and 100 21 00:01:51,119 --> 00:01:58,000 and I printed it for you 110 to 130 for a felony prosecutor with zero 22 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:04,159 experience. The other thing here first assistant 23 00:02:01,119 --> 00:02:07,439 if anyone had come and asked a first assistant is supposed to be the person 24 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:11,599 that if the DA is not there they know what they're doing they can try any 25 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:15,760 case. This has the first assistant getting paid less than the misdemeanor 26 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:22,400 prosecutor. So, whoever did this and pulled the numbers are just not right. 27 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:26,560 And if the numbers are so clearly wrong in the DA's office, how do you know any 28 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:31,040 of the numbers in the rest of the schedule are even correct if you didn't 29 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:34,280 look at the underlying data yourself? Thank you. 30 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:44,680 Thanks, Charlie. But I still would like to see 31 00:02:48,160 --> 00:03:05,159 Okay, let's take a look. Um, I think what let's do and start with the budget. 32 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:05,159 So if you look at the new budget book, 33 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:17,920 so tax revenues, we were not comfortable going to a 98% collection rate. We did 34 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:24,239 do a 97% collection rate because every year we 35 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:30,400 have had some surplus from year to year that would be able to cover that 36 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:37,120 collection rate. So the budget book that you have is at 0.63 37 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:44,840 which was at the request from from last week and then we did the 97% collection 38 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,840 rate. 39 00:03:50,239 --> 00:04:02,760 Okay. So that is page 14 and 15. 40 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:02,760 So if you flip over to page 72 41 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:08,760 that gives you the information on volunteer fire departments 42 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:18,639 and it gives you some guidance also. First of all, the formula was developed 43 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:22,479 by the volunteer fire department chiefs and then what they agreed to because 44 00:04:20,479 --> 00:04:28,080 they had some people that were serving on volunteer fire departments that did 45 00:04:24,479 --> 00:04:34,240 not meet the background criteria. And so the background checks, they uh came up 46 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:38,639 with some criteria. They provided it to the fire marshal so that he could do the 47 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:45,199 uh background checks and there would not be any uh concerns. that would be an 48 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:49,680 unbiased opinion. And so they undergo the background the criminal background 49 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:56,000 checks and that also was developed by the fire chiefs. And so we increased 50 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:59,000 that by 10% which the court already approved. 51 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:07,000 Okay. If you go through page 101, 52 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:16,240 uh you will notice juvenile detention has gone up and we've already exceeded 53 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:22,240 the 2026 budget. So, we're increasing the funding there. 54 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:27,280 Uh also, we have multiple capital murder cases. We have not heard from Judge 55 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:34,880 Judge Wells, but we have heard from Judge Kitchens. And this is where we um 56 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:40,320 developed a budget, an operating budget that is strictly for capital trial 57 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:46,639 expenses that was done at Bobby Richard's recommendation a couple years 58 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:52,960 ago. And so that should help cover any expenses or overtime in the event that 59 00:05:49,919 --> 00:06:00,080 the district attorney has to go um travel or the uh district clerk's office 60 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:06,720 does a lifts, etc. Uh so that will go directly. It has to be 61 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:13,440 marked in that manner and provided to the auditor's office. 62 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:20,160 Okay. Um if you go to page 136, 63 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:25,039 you all approved the the continue operation of the P 64 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:31,280 County Recycling Center. And so that includes those changes. 65 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:35,680 You're also going to see uh a recommendation 66 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:41,520 on page 205, which is the waste management fund for to utilize those 67 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:46,720 funds that were allocated for business for the building maintenance and 68 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:54,000 equipment maintenance, the 20,000 to place that in there 69 00:06:50,400 --> 00:07:00,479 for use or buy uniforms or whatever is needed. 70 00:06:55,840 --> 00:07:03,120 Okay. If you go to page 147 71 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:10,080 » what? >> 147 146 and 147. 72 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:16,240 That's your road and bridge all of your major funds. 73 00:07:12,479 --> 00:07:23,039 And basically um the only thing that you need to to do is notify 74 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:28,720 uh Carrie prior to publication of any transfers or uh discretionary increases 75 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:35,840 or anything like that that you all are going to do. So, precinct one is on page 76 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:40,280 146 and 147 and then precinct two 77 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:54,560 is on page 154, excuse me, keep going. Precinct two is a 157 78 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:57,840 and so forth. So, each precinct is listed in there. Just make sure that you 79 00:07:56,319 --> 00:08:07,520 notify how you wish to change those and the um 80 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:13,360 for publication of the final budget. And then that takes you to page 205 81 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:22,039 which is your waste management fund where the building repairs and equipment 82 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:22,039 maintenance uh was included 83 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:32,320 on that. [snorts] uh the top two expenditures 84 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:38,479 and that budget is pretty much intact. There were some monies utilized but that 85 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:43,320 can remain and that's what you all can utilize to start the recycling. 86 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:54,240 Okay. SB22 is page 227. So, the sheriff's office receives 87 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:58,320 $500,000 and the district attorney's office 88 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:02,720 receives $275,000 for salary assistance. 89 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:09,440 And this is for positions that have been added to the sheriff's office. And so, 90 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:15,040 all of those have been 100, the ones that have been added since SB22 for the 91 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:20,560 sheriff's office is implemented. And all of them are 100% eligible for SB22 92 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:26,800 funding. Um if all the positions remain filled 93 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:32,560 through the entire year that are currently listed then 94 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:40,240 they will have to utilize some of the general fund money to balance. So 95 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:45,040 balance those wages, taxes and benefits the remainder of them will have to be 96 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:53,959 from the general fund. So we more than expend the SB22 monies 97 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:53,959 because that's subsidized. 98 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,399 Okay. 99 00:10:15,052 --> 00:10:17,072 [snorts] 100 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:24,839 Okay. Uh you should have a um 101 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:34,200 just a review that we did for commissioner support 102 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,200 for the FY2027 103 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,480 review. 104 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,480 Okay. 105 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:56,880 So this is where we are in the process. Um this is the final review 106 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:04,160 for adoption. It's the work that we completed from 107 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:10,560 July 14th and July 28th budget workshops and the tax rate uh and the proposed 108 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:16,640 budget will be set for August 11th, 2026 at 10:00 a.m. for adoption. 109 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:22,480 So, it's built on the tax rate that was approved at the last meeting. Um, we did 110 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:29,279 change the projected collection rate. The tax assessor collector Tatum did 111 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:35,279 certify a 96% collection rate. Um, our actual collection experience 112 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:40,720 over the last few years has been that we have increased the general funds. So we 113 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:45,680 will be able to get uh the given given the reserve position 114 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:52,240 then it is manageable and that avoids leaving a usable re 115 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:58,720 revenue on the table. Okay. So, um, at the public hearing, you 116 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:04,240 will have the information this that this budget will raise more revenue from 117 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:08,440 property taxes than last year's budget by amount of 2,248,176, 118 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:17,680 which is a 7.65% increase from last year's budget. The 119 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:24,600 property tax revenue that is raised from new property added to the tax rule this 120 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,600 year is 929,533. 121 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:36,240 So that new property is not eligible for uh some of the programs that we have. So 122 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:43,680 what that means roughly is that approximately 41% of the increase comes 123 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:51,839 from new property. So that's gross not existing property. 124 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:56,959 Okay. So right now and um certainly after this meeting 125 00:12:54,639 --> 00:13:03,440 we will be happy to look at some of the options and consider what Shellyley has 126 00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:07,760 to say. I I myself have not had a conversation with Shelley and didn't 127 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:16,959 realize Shelley that she had some questions but happy to sit down. So, 128 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:22,279 uh the budget as it is presented um includes [clears throat] a surplus of 129 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:22,279 $276,43 130 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:30,000 and it's available and can be applied towards additional compensation 131 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:36,240 adjustments. So some of the increases that we 132 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:40,079 discussed uh look small. Every employee receives an increase but 133 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:47,279 some of those increases are very very small. And then um we have some 134 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:51,839 employees were being paid below market for their positions and saw a large 135 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:57,120 increase. [laughter] Some were within the market and saw a modest one. and 136 00:13:54,959 --> 00:14:00,959 somewhere in a pay group found to be above market and so their increase was 137 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:06,079 minimal. So when we establish the placement on a 138 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:12,959 scale and we discussed this last time that [snorts] some of those increases 139 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:19,040 right are small and they remove the steps for those people increase. So if 140 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:23,519 you will look on your employee compensation information, 141 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:29,360 if you will look, you can see the difference. The difference is on the uh 142 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:36,800 right hand side. So what we need today and also the names 143 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:44,480 or the positions are highlighted uh for those people that 144 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:50,000 received minimal or have lost steps um because of it. So you can go through the 145 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:53,320 entire one. Let's see. 146 00:14:53,519 --> 00:15:02,880 So if you look at them, you can see uh the changes and you can see that we have 147 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:08,560 some offices where there were multiple people that lost. 148 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:15,680 Try not to knock down cowbell. Uh there were multiple people uh that got minimal 149 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:22,560 increases. Uh specifically, if you look like at the county clerk's office, there 150 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:26,880 were minimal. Uh they also have some increases that we need to consider for 151 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:30,720 the auditors for the district attorney's offices because a lot of those are 152 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:38,320 unclassified. So if you go through it, you can see how 153 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:45,519 each one fell in that category. Uh we did have some questions 154 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:51,070 about uh the mental health grant. The mental health grant through the uh 155 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:54,880 sheriff's department is not our grant. [music] That does not go through our 156 00:15:52,720 --> 00:16:02,000 grants purposes. That's a Burke Center grant. Uh that's on page 19 um of the 157 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:08,639 sheriff's department. So that goes through Burke Center and those that's a 158 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:12,959 supplementary for those particular uh employees. 159 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:19,440 So, you do have a lot of people that lost steps in the sheriff's office. If 160 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:25,120 you look at page 18, those are all people that lost steps and in some cases 161 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:28,759 got a minimal minimal increase. 162 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,880 Um, 163 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:41,279 so that's the information uh that was provided to you all. 164 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,199 Let me see. 165 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:57,079 Okay, let me I can go through some of this and then the court can decide how 166 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,079 you wish how you wish to proceed. 167 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,600 Okay. 168 00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:14,480 Uh we we do have several options that the court may wish to consider. 169 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:19,919 Um we do we do not have enough sufficient 170 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:23,839 funds to hold every employee at their current step and it would not 171 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:27,360 necessarily always be appropriate because some got greater raises than 172 00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:32,160 others did. However, uh with the funds available, we 173 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:36,880 could distribute funding to each department that would allow them to 174 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:43,039 restore one step for those people that lost a step. Uh the cost for that would 175 00:17:39,919 --> 00:17:48,000 be $197,200 approximately. 176 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:53,520 This does not include unclassified employees in the county auditor's 177 00:17:49,919 --> 00:18:01,520 office. It does not include uh the district attorney's office and it does 178 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:09,039 not include the district court staff. So the unclassified positions are not uh 179 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:14,720 necessarily included that in that estimate. So that's something that 180 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:23,120 we the court needs to consider is how to proceed with your with those offices. Uh 181 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:28,559 we did have a another commissioner that contacted us expressing dissatisfaction 182 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:35,360 with the increase for corrections officers. Uh the study did show that 183 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:42,640 they're within the market and so they also did not receive um huge increases. 184 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:49,200 However, if there are [laughter] 42 corrections officer positions 185 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:53,039 and to move them all up one step uh would be a total estimated cost of 186 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,880 $63,000 if that's something that the court 187 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:05,760 wishes to consider. Um we do have uh an avail the available 188 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:13,919 surplus of approximately $276,000. And so that would allow the court um to 189 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:20,160 restore some of the lost steps for all the employees and to provide one step 190 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:25,720 for the corrections officers. And that would leave approximately 191 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,720 $16,000 192 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:35,520 which could be used for the auditors or for the district attorney's um 193 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:39,400 unclassified staff. All of that's in your notes. 194 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:48,240 And then the recycling center oper operations. 195 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:54,559 Um, we included a full-time recycling program coordinator position. 196 00:19:51,440 --> 00:20:00,400 U, we don't have a uniform budget or a supply budget yet, but the waste 197 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:06,000 management fund budget was not completely spent and is 198 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:09,000 available if you wish to consider that way. 199 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:24,480 Okay. So, um, number eight, since there have been some questions about SB22, we 200 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:30,104 put an explanation in there. Uh, Senate Bill 22 was to, uh, support rural public 201 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:34,400 safety by adding personnel and [clears throat] raising wages for the 202 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:40,400 sheriff's office, the constables, and the district attorney's office. So, the 203 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:45,200 total amount received uh for the sheriff's office is $500,000. 204 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:52,120 For the district attorney's office, it's $275,000. 205 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,120 And for the constables, it's $18,594.75. 206 00:20:54,240 --> 00:21:02,200 So, the total revenue from SB22 is $793,594.75. 207 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:13,280 Um you will notice that the constable port portion uh each constable is 208 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:18,159 eligible to receive a set amount. Constable [clears throat] precinct three 209 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:24,080 since he began his term after SB22 was implemented is not eligible for as much 210 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:30,240 and so all four coniples receive the same salary. uh constable precinct 3 is 211 00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:34,880 to just gets more funding from the general fund. 212 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:39,440 Uh with the sheriff's office in the jail, all positions that were added to 213 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:46,799 the sheriff's office in jail. The keyword is added since the grant was 214 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:51,679 first awarded are 100% eligible for SB22 funding with the exception of 215 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:57,039 certificate or longevity pay that those employees receive. So you have four 216 00:21:54,799 --> 00:22:03,679 corrections officers, one detective, two patrol deputies um that are funded. 217 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:09,520 Uh district attorney, she has distributed a portion of her allocation 218 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:14,000 money to eligible staff. So both departments are budgeted over 219 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:22,360 the amount that they will actually receive. The total budgeted expenditures 220 00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:22,360 in the fund are 94,44161 221 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,000 against 793594 222 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:37,640 with 75 cents in revenue. So the difference from the general fund is 223 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,640 $110,447. 224 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:45,679 So if they all remain filled then the difference in wages and taxes and 225 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:50,240 benefits will be covered by the general fund. 226 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:59,480 U basically we did this on purpose because this way we don't have to return 227 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:59,480 any money right to the state for SB22. 228 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,280 Okay, let's see. 229 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,000 Let's pull. 230 00:23:21,716 --> 00:23:23,736 [clears throat] 231 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,960 Okay, let's 232 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:44,720 let's start with the district attorney's office. 233 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:50,799 So, the district attorney's office shows some people that lost 234 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:55,679 steps. So if you look on that page which will 235 00:23:53,039 --> 00:24:01,760 be page 11 you have some vacancies but you also 236 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:05,960 have your senior trial associate uh lost some steps 237 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:15,360 your senior two senior trial associates Jody Taylor 238 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:22,480 uh Katrina Britain those they they need to be considered for increases. 239 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:31,679 um Janna Himemenz, which is also a trial associate that got a a bump 240 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:39,039 and but loses steps in the process. You have Ranada, which is a trial associate 241 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:46,880 also that got a bump but lost steps in the process. Uh Rachel Stinson got an 242 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:51,279 $8,000 raise. Uh, you have a vacant vacancy. 243 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:56,880 Leon Middleton, your chief investigator, got a $1682 244 00:24:53,840 --> 00:25:04,559 raise, but lost steps as well. Um, 245 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:12,679 then you have Megan Nighton who is recommended also for a slight increase 246 00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:12,679 but lost steps as well. 247 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:25,480 And then you have some some vacancies that we 248 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,480 did not address. 249 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,840 So the um 250 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:44,679 the first district assistant district attorney uh current pay rate is 119,684. 251 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:52,480 » Can I interrupt that? Yeah, my numbers are not wrong. I apologize. This is just 252 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:56,159 the general fund funded portion of those salaries. This is not 253 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,799 » portion. Yeah, that's all we're looking at is just general funding 254 00:25:58,159 --> 00:26:03,600 » at the time. >> Yes, at the time. 255 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:07,600 » But the problem is if you're saying that someone like my ladies needs an $8,400 256 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,679 raise. >> Could you come up here to the 257 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:17,279 microphone, Shelley? >> The problem is you can't look at this 258 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:21,039 pay rate with only county funds. I get $275,000 259 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:25,360 to supplement and I have a list >> and we don't and we have that. We cannot 260 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:30,720 interfere with that. We can't. >> No. But if you come in and say this lady 261 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:34,480 needs a $8,000 raise, but because I can use Senate Bill funds, you have to look 262 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:39,200 at >> I didn't go in and say, "Oh, market is 263 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:44,559 42, but I'm going to pay her 48." Shelly, 264 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:50,159 what how you choose to proceed in your case, in the sheriff's case, we sign off 265 00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:56,159 on the SB22 in the case of the constables and in case of this sheriff's 266 00:26:52,240 --> 00:27:01,039 office. All we look at here is what the general fund can afford and you can move 267 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:04,320 that money around however you see fit. >> But if you announce in here that you're 268 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:09,279 going to give one of my employees an $8,400 raise, she's expecting an $8,400 269 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:13,279 raise. And what she doesn't understand is because Senate Bill had been giving 270 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:17,919 her a different amount of money, she's not getting an $8,400 raise. You're 271 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:22,799 moving around what's going to be paid by the county and what's being paid by 272 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:27,279 Senate Bill 22. And so without looking at it together, 273 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:33,039 » when you make an announcement that she's underpaid by $8,400, they expect an 274 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,720 $8,400 raise. But they're not getting that if they had Senate bill funds 275 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:41,279 because those will adjust. and and that's fine. That is fine. How you 276 00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:46,000 subsidize with your own Senate bill monies is is entirely up to you. 277 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,919 » But the other statement made was that Senate bill funds were were being 278 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:54,880 overspent. The Senate bill funds in the DA's budget were 275. They've already 279 00:27:52,240 --> 00:28:00,159 been backed down to 214 so that I don't spend more than my 275 because the 280 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:04,399 difference between the 275 and the 214 are all the retirement, the taxes, the 281 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:10,000 benefits that I have to pay out of that. And mine's not budgeted at above. So if 282 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,320 I don't spend a dollar on it, we lose it because I can't spend it on anything 283 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,159 else. >> Well, that's correct. And that's the 284 00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:18,399 same thing with the sheriff. He cannot [clears throat] use it on anything else. 285 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,480 » He can't He can use it for equipment. I cannot. 286 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,960 » Yeah, we can buy equipment, but we don't know what's going on with our Senate 287 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:28,559 bill either since 24. We're We're definitely not spending the money like 288 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:31,760 the sheriff wants to spend it. We We don't have a clue what's going on with 289 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:35,520 the Senate bill either. And and to say to the general public that listens to 290 00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:40,080 this that we've budgeted more than the 275 so we don't lose it is incorrect. 291 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:44,159 I've budgeted at 214. If I don't fill the slots, we lose it. 292 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:50,080 » I and nothing was said about you budgeting. We are budgeting over. We 293 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:55,279 have overbudgeted to make sure that the that the sheriff's office is always 294 00:28:53,039 --> 00:29:02,080 covered. That no matter what happens, the sheriff's office can 295 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,080 » you made the statement and it was not 296 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:15,760 Okay. So the the discretionary funds what that they that that the that the 297 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:20,399 SB22 monies. Okay. The SB22 monies are are budgeted 298 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:26,640 exactly as they requested. One time they requested some equipment that was 299 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:33,600 covered as well. All SB22 monies are right in here being funded. 300 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:39,200 Okay. Along with the fact that if if something should change that you will 301 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:44,480 not lose any SB22 monies. >> Well, the difference is is that the 302 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:49,679 insurance office receives $500,000 and we requested it one time and we've 303 00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:54,240 we've tried to stay steady with that amount that we requested for the for the 304 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:58,799 jail employees as well as the law enforcement side. And then we took all 305 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:03,840 other monies the first time and we spent it on equipment cuz it allows the 306 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:09,279 sheriff's office to do so. Since that date, we have that first time, which 307 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:14,000 would have been 24. Uh we have we we don't know. So when you 308 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:18,159 say you're budgeting over to make sure that we don't spend over the a loted 309 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:23,919 amount of money, we don't have a clue. But there's no way $500,000 for our side 310 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:28,480 for the sheriff's office. We should be be able to we that we should ever go 311 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,880 over. But again, when we start trying to say, "Hey, what we have in there? What's 312 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:35,760 that?" >> And you know, sheriff, if you want to 313 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:39,200 change it next year, you can because let me tell you something. 314 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,039 » I'd like to change it this year. You you open 315 00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:43,360 » We have provided you with the information. 316 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,520 » No, we have not. We requested. You have not require regard provided that 317 00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:51,120 information. We requested that information on several occasions trying 318 00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:53,919 to figure out, hey, what money do we have? Because the other thing we look at 319 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:57,600 is that we don't want to have to come to you every single time and ask for the 320 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:03,360 taxpayers's money. We figure, hey, we'll be able to get some of this equipment 321 00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:06,559 from SB22. We don't have a clue. And so when that statement is made that we've 322 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:12,480 been provided this information, no negative. It has not been provided to 323 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:15,200 us. So that's why we I say that we don't have proof. No, 324 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:20,159 » you no, judge. >> Well, because it's impossible to keep up 325 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:24,080 with 5.4% over here and 7.2 two over here and call the comprollers's office 326 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:31,440 and no one can answer the questions. So what we did is we did we did say okay 327 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:36,080 let's fully fund them and if the general if the general fund has to absorb some 328 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:41,360 of that then the general fund will if you want to change it next year then 329 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:45,360 that will be fine >> because it is not a simple budgeting 330 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,600 question when you're dealing with a controller 331 00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:54,320 » and I I can't imagine it's a simple question or a simple answer but this is 332 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:58,399 the thing I look at is that if there was if there was not such a disconnect 333 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,640 between us that we can sit down and start talking about what SB22 does and 334 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:06,240 what we have and what's available for us. It's just like now where we I asked 335 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,559 a simple question. I can tell the attitude just automatically just eats 336 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:14,159 you up. It just boom just it just becomes aggressive. All all we want to 337 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:17,519 know is what money do we have? >> Well then you know what? Why didn't you 338 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,480 send us an email asking us that? >> We have. 339 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,519 » Carrie, have I not reached out to you? >> I can't remember the last time y'all 340 00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:28,480 have asked me about that. I've not I've not asked you uh about what money we 341 00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:31,120 have remaining. I've not I've not contacted you and asked you that. 342 00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:33,440 » When was the last time that you did? It might have been two years ago. 343 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,000 » Two years ago? No, ma'am. >> No, we asked this year. 344 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:40,000 » No, we we have been asking. >> Yes, we we constantly ask how much 345 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,440 money's left so we don't go over >> spent on salaries. 100% of it is being 346 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,640 spent on salaries, >> but we don't know. 347 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,640 » And that's 348 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,320 no, we're not trying to ask. But then the other part of it is 349 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:55,519 » conversation is all we're asking. >> And the other part of it is we shouldn't 350 00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:58,080 have to ask. It should automatically just do a spreadsheet to say, "Hey, 351 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,919 look, this is the money set aside for the sheriff. This is what you have 352 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,360 remaining. >> If you don't ask, 353 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:08,480 » okay, sheriff, let's let's answer some of your questions because we have asked 354 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:15,039 you for this and we have provided this information. We provide it to the court. 355 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:20,880 So in there has been an escalation in terms of your request. So, in uh 356 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:26,480 2021, the court spent additional over 357 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:32,240 $300,000. Now, if you look at your at the request 358 00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:39,600 for equipment and changes and improvements and so forth, uh if you 359 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:45,360 look at that the for 2025 over $2 million 360 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:48,720 and and right now you're dealing with an issue. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 361 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,679 » From Sydney. >> It's all right here 362 00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:57,760 » from Sydney. >> Okay. So, mobile radios, renovation of 363 00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:04,080 this jail, which was unplanned. Mobile radios, unplanned, handheld radios, 364 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,360 generator systems. So, the commitment from the court has been very, let me 365 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:12,240 finish speaking. >> Sure. I have the commitment from the 366 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:18,159 court has been pretty high in terms of the jail and the sheriff's office. 367 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:26,240 Furthermore, we went on to fund all the payouts. Everything you have requested, 368 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:31,440 we have paid out. So to say that we have not 369 00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:38,000 » Now, here's the other thing. Um, just this week, just this week, oop, sorry. 370 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:43,280 Just this week, y'all contacted us saying that the $30,000 that you 371 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:48,480 requested from the court [clears throat] that the work had not been done 372 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:53,679 appropriately. It had not been correct. But that's a request that did not follow 373 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:59,760 court protocols. You did not go through purchasing and procurement. There was no 374 00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:01,680 RFP. There was no contract. >> I mean, 375 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,880 » and then you asked for the contract. >> So, I don't have a clue just where 376 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:09,119 you're at. We we were talking about Senate Bill 22 and you start throwing 377 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,800 numbers about like you said, let me finish. So you were asking about we 378 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:16,240 asked about Senate Bill 22. We that's why we were up here and now you start 379 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:20,640 throwing out numbers about generators and this and that. If I'm not mistaken, 380 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,920 when it come down to Senate Bill 22, it's the sheriff discretional money. 381 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:28,400 What's what they spent on not generators, not this that you brought 382 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:32,079 that up. You bought generators up and you bought you just brought that up and 383 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:36,240 you bought about jail renovations. That has nothing to do with Senate Bill 22. 384 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,040 » Nobody said that the court has not been generous and not been taking care of the 385 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,640 jail. But on the other part of that deal, that's the court's responsibility. 386 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,960 » Okay. Sheriff, I have not received one single email from you requesting 387 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,000 anything. >> Not one. 388 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:52,000 » Judge, I never seen when I need when I need information, I reach out to this 389 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:55,359 young lady right here because it seemed over the last two to three years, this 390 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,800 is the only person in your office that I >> That's because she was appointed to be 391 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:02,240 your liaison, sheriff, to make things more efficient for you. the question 392 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,480 where you make a statement that you have not received any information or request 393 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:11,599 from me. It goes to your liaison >> and and that's fine and that's and that 394 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:16,240 is exactly the way we set it up. >> That is exactly the way we set it up. 395 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:20,800 » So as as we maneuver back to where we were we were talking about Senate Bill 396 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:24,880 22. We don't have a clue about what is being done with it. I'm sure it's being 397 00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:29,520 spent on the status. All we would want to know is when it comes down to 398 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,119 equipment, what money is remaining? So we know that we can buy for one 399 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:37,520 consoles. We know we're going to have to get consoles because what we were told 400 00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:40,240 again, it's not true. So we're going to have to get consoles. There's a grant, 401 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,160 but we don't know when that grant's going to fall through. So we were just 402 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,240 what money is there? Can that money I know it can. I know it can be used. So 403 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:53,200 we were looking at other equipment, radios, other things that we need to get 404 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:57,839 that we were going to send Bill 22. That's why I was standing here. all this 405 00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:01,760 other stuff, the smoke I I don't have for the scent bill is what we hear from. 406 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,960 We just want the information on there. >> Well, then you know what? Send send 407 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,640 Carrie another email. But I have not seen anything. 408 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,000 » Okay. >> And Carrie was set up to be your 409 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,560 liaison. And so >> that's why you didn't see anything cuz 410 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,599 she was set up to be >> Well, chair, 411 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,960 » you don't respond to me. So that's okay. That's fine. 412 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:27,200 » Yes, ma'am. But for for you to say that that you don't know when you need to 413 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:30,560 spend it on equipment, that's that's not a fair assessment of what the court has 414 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,400 provided you with. >> Is that a correct statement that you 415 00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:36,079 just made? >> No, sir. I'm responding to the fact that 416 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:41,520 you're saying you need it for equipment and consults. All of that can be 417 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,480 included on the capital projections. >> But why would we put it there when I 418 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,280 know I can get it from SB22 where it won't have to go through? 419 00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:50,640 » And that's where that's that's where you have been told. Carrie, you are free to 420 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,720 respond. That money has all been allocated 421 00:37:52,720 --> 00:38:01,280 towards salaries. >> You originally requested $800 for 422 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:05,119 » the entire $500,000 and and and quite a bit more have been 423 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:10,800 increased towards your salaries since 2024, but every every bit of that 424 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,520 $500,000 is going towards a quick question. Eligible. 425 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:18,880 » So a quick question. Yes. >> So is the Senate Bill 22 funding the 426 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:23,440 entire sheriff's office salary? Yes, sir. 427 00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:29,520 » So, along with the county's salary and then $500,000 from Senate bill, that's 428 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,760 what it takes to to pay the sheriff's office. 429 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,599 » And what is budgeted right now is four corrections officers, one detective, and 430 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,960 two patrol deputies. And that eats up the entire $500,000 plus some. 431 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:44,240 » Yes, sir. >> Just for those seven employees. 432 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:48,880 » Okay. If the rest of the employees are funded by the general that's different 433 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,599 from what we sent in for it to be paid that y'all chose to do it that way but 434 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,200 » for the administration. >> We told you that last year when we had 435 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,079 the minister and we told you that last year when we had the meeting that was 436 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,560 not told to us >> because that all we wanted was the 437 00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:04,400 information >> and we told you that last year when we 438 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:08,000 sat right here at this table. We told you that last year that all 439 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:13,200 » we got the same answer at that table last year as we got this year is that we 440 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:17,359 don't know how much money is remaining. >> We're still figuring the we're still 441 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:22,960 figuring the numbers. That's what we were told. 442 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:26,720 » No sir, the Senate bills money. We have two different 443 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:33,040 » We told you last year every dime, we even said it in open court that every 444 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:38,480 dime was going to you for your salaries to fund those added personnel. Does it 445 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:43,520 go to any of those guys back there that have been here? No, because it's for 446 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:46,800 added personnel. That's >> but that's that's that's not you know 447 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:52,079 even judges that's true but that's not the way that I had it set up because 448 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,680 Senate Bill 22 is designed for the sheriff to say that I want this to go 449 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,520 here this to go there and the judge's office to sign off whether they agree or 450 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:03,040 disagree. Now you're telling me that you did it this way but that's not the way 451 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,400 we sent it in for it to be done. And if you chose to do it that way and this was 452 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,760 the best way to be done would have been simple just to say hey sheriff we 453 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,640 decided that we this is the best route for us to be able to do this and this is 454 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:16,560 why No sir, it's not intended for me to just 455 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,560 sign off and you do whatever you want. It's intended for us to be able to look 456 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:27,359 at it and to make sure that whatever you do is affordable and actually legal. And 457 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:32,320 so yes, we did go through it. And last year when we sat down and discussed it, 458 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:38,960 when we sat down and discussed it, we told you and we told it in open court 459 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:45,440 that those those positions were being fully funded by SV22, 460 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:51,200 but because of the 5% over here and 7% over there, we streamlined it all in to 461 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:56,480 make sure that they remained funded and to make sure that we did not have to 462 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:59,760 return any funds to the state That was >> that was the vote not to return any 463 00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:03,280 funds. I agree with that part. All the other things and that's what you agreed 464 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:06,880 to then but there's other things that we did not agree to. We didn't have a clue 465 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,880 that this don't do in open court. So then the commissioners themselves should 466 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,240 also >> what specifically did you not agree to? 467 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,880 » I did not agree. >> You did not agree to fund new people. 468 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:22,000 » You asked the question you let me answer. So what I did not agree to is to 469 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:25,520 that you change what we sent it in for it to be done the way that we wanted it 470 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:30,560 allocated because it was for the sheriff to allocate this money for here this 471 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:33,839 money for that and then if it does not fit or it does not work then the court 472 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,280 be able to say or the judge be able to say hey look this doesn't work sheriff 473 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,520 the way you want this done >> but we decided to do this better this 474 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,800 way >> sheriff my point is you agreed to it 475 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,880 last year >> to what judge we never were asked 476 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:52,079 anything about agreement for sent 22 too. Not one thing, 477 00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:57,440 » Sheriff. We discussed it last year, which is part of why it's it's it's 478 00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:02,000 because we sat down. We discussed it across the table. Yes, sir, we did. 479 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:05,760 » Okay. We both we we agreed to disagree on that. 480 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:11,040 » Well, and and then later we discussed the TR grant with you and or the 481 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:15,839 contract with you and and gave you some options on that and you said you wanted 482 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,160 to make no change. So, that's your What does what does that have to do with 483 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:22,000 Senate Bill 22? >> It has to do with payment. It has to do 484 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:24,960 with pay of your staff. >> Everything has to do with payment, but 485 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,319 it's like these smoking mirrors, but we talking about this and you you you got 486 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,400 to throw something else out there. It has nothing to do with Senate Bill 22. 487 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:36,480 » There's no smoking mirrors, >> you guys. I mean, here at conventional 488 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:41,359 court, not judges court. I mean, nobody has nobody else has I mean, this is what 489 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:45,520 was said and nobody has nothing to say. I'm you guys. I And this the proof is in 490 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:49,119 the pudding. Well, >> look up Senate Bill 227 and see how it's 491 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,160 supposed to be allocated. Who gets to say where it go? 492 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:56,240 » But that's not what we were sent in ways being done. 493 00:42:54,319 --> 00:42:59,760 » The proof is in the pudding right here. >> Four corrections officers, one 494 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:03,440 detective, and two patrol deputies. >> You you read that in the pudding in the 495 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,800 writing that just But we had nothing to do with that. 496 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:10,880 » Well, >> then then sheriff 497 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:14,240 at any point in time at any point in time, you could have called this office 498 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:18,960 and you're going to come over here. And sheriff that you're asking if 499 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,240 to speak up. I'm telling you, I would have to go back and look at the 500 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:26,240 recording before I could say one way or the other. I I would as far as I'm not 501 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,000 arguing one way or the other. I would have to look before I could say, 502 00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:37,760 » well, I'm concerned SB22 503 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:41,760 that was for you and it was for the D. I I I don't have any say so in where you 504 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,480 do what you do with it. >> Can I speak? 505 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,480 » Yes, ma'am. That's the way I read it. Am I Am I 506 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,440 wrong? >> No, you're correct. 507 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:54,640 » Yes, sir. >> When SB22 was implemented, you requested 508 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,839 the entire $500,000 be put into salaries. 509 00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:59,680 » No, >> you did. You requested a $3,400 raise 510 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:05,040 for every person at the sheriff's every talle officer at the sheriff's office 511 00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:07,440 and5 $5,800 for every person at the correction at the jail 512 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:12,079 » that fit into >> when you do all of the math for all of 513 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:16,079 those positions and all of the taxes and benefits that go along with it. That is 514 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:20,160 more than $500,000. >> So the general the the comm the 515 00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:25,599 commissioner's court agreed to that that increase and to help fund that increase. 516 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:30,800 So, the $500,000 was originally requested to go 100% into salaries. That 517 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:37,119 first year, there was money left over for equipment because it was implemented 518 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:40,800 after the start of the year. So, instead of 12 months of salaries, it was only 9 519 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:45,440 months of salaries. So, there was money left over at the end of the year to use 520 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:49,440 or equipment. after that because y'all had already 521 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:53,760 requested that the entire 500,000 go into salaries and that is what the court 522 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,960 had already approved increasing those that wage scale so that all of those 523 00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:00,720 departments were or all of those positions were going to be increased by 524 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:06,480 that amount no matter what whether they were eligible or not. So the court when 525 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:12,000 they when they continued to lift up salaries has put that 500,000 every year 526 00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:18,640 into salaries that was your original request. So let me ask you uh Carrie. So 527 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:22,000 those funds that were used where we allocated x amount of dollars for the 528 00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:28,079 jailers, x amount of dollars for the peace officers that fit within the the 529 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:33,040 outline of the of the program. Was that money was that the direction on how we 530 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:39,359 said it? Was it changed and used now to fund fully fund positions 531 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:45,440 » for streamlining the paperwork? Yes. because it used to be a nightmare to 532 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:50,079 figure out how much of each deputy's payroll was actually funded by SB22 and 533 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,119 the taxes and the benefits that went along with it because everybody had a 534 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,560 different percentage and every time their pay changed that percentage 535 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,319 changed and the percentage is different for the salaries versus all the taxes 536 00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:05,280 and the benefits. So it is it is an administrative nightmare if you are 537 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:09,839 going by 130 people that I did that first year. But again, and that and and 538 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:13,680 I guess this is where my problems at is that I I understand what you're saying, 539 00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:18,319 the nightmare, and I understand about about increases, 540 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,480 but it changed from what we requested or what we seeing, 541 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,960 » but you requested that it be put into salaries. 542 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:29,440 » Except, but you just said that it was used to fully fund new positions 543 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:32,560 » for the administration part of it. Those positions had already been agreed to by 544 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:37,839 the commissioner's court. So, the $500,000 is still going 100% to 545 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:43,280 salaries. But as far as the paperwork, the easiest way to do it is for these 546 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:47,920 positions to be 100% fully funded. And then instead of certifying 130 different 547 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:52,000 positions and figuring out the math on all 130, you have seven. 548 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:57,200 » Okay. [clears throat] So, in open court, so and that's the part is in open court, 549 00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:01,440 you're telling me that all $500,000 is being used towards salaries and to fund 550 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,240 new positions. that change from what the sheriff originally put in. 551 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,000 » But what you originally requested was for it all to be the salaries. And it 552 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,160 still could be all towards the salaries that were eligible based on the original 553 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,440 amount. >> But the documentation that you're going 554 00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:16,160 to have from us is going to be towards x amount of dollars for here and x amount 555 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,640 of dollars for there. >> When it's submitted to the state, it's 556 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,040 for those new positions because that is the easiest way to do the paperwork. 557 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,640 » That was the easiest way to do it. But it changed from what we originally 558 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:29,680 » but those but no one lost pay. If everybody paid the pay that you 559 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,240 requested, >> I appreciate it. 560 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,560 Okay. 561 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:58,560 So, >> we need some 562 00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:02,839 guidance from the court on how do you like to take 563 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:22,200 Okay, first of all, 564 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:32,960 all SB22 monies are going as we originally were directed 565 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:39,839 and how we do the budgeting portion of it. If that was if we thought that that 566 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:46,240 was uh essential, if you all want to change that, Andy uh next year, then 567 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:52,160 feel free. Someone can keep up with the percentages and do all of that. 568 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:54,559 » I think the thing, judge, is that >> can you come up here? 569 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:59,040 » Come on up. >> We're asking we're asking to be included 570 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:03,040 in the communication process when it comes to changes that's going on within 571 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:07,520 our department instead of coming to open court. we're learning about a change. If 572 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:12,160 that's fully funded and that's easier for her to do, we agree with that. We're 573 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:17,920 just asking to be a part of that communication. I've asked several times. 574 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:22,720 » So, when y'all agreed to pay overtime out of our unpaid salaries, all right? 575 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:26,960 The first year we did it, I would call Miss Stephanie, she tell me what's an 576 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:30,800 unpaid salaries for jail and what's an unpaid salaries for the sheriff's 577 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:35,680 office, and I would drop below 10 grand on that. to make sure I wouldn't go over 578 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:39,599 my budget to pay this over time. Since then, 579 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:43,359 we're told they can't tell us because Senate Bill 22 is not worked out. And 580 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,079 that's been all year long. We've just been told we have plenty of money. I 581 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:51,359 think what the sheriff is upset about is we're not included in the conversation 582 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:57,760 when it comes to changes to our employees when we actually should be. 583 00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:02,400 I agree what she said. That's probably a whole lot easier to do this budgeting 584 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:06,079 for Senate Bill 22. We would just like to be included in 585 00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:10,960 that conversation. We were not. It was not covered any budget meetings. It was 586 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:14,720 not covered in open court. Uh I'll stand up here and apologize to everyone of 587 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:18,000 you. Any of y'all find that on video that this was covered in open court 588 00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:22,079 during commissioners court because it was not. The petitions were approved, 589 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:24,000 not how they were funded. >> And 590 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:26,960 » we just want to be included in the conversation. 591 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:30,559 » And you know what? I apologize for that. I apologize uh that we did not tell 592 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:35,760 y'all, well, we weren't going to do the 5.2, the 7.4. We thought the goal was to 593 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:40,960 get your guys paid and we thought the goal was to make sure that no matter 594 00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:42,800 what, we did not send back any SB22 monies. 595 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,240 » No, we didn't. But we wouldn't we would have bought equipment for with ours. 596 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,440 Now, DA's office would have to send it back if it's unpaid. 597 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:54,480 » Well, here's the thing. When when you request a payroll increase, then it's 598 00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:55,440 going to continue. It's not going to go away. 599 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,680 » I agree. >> And so that first year, you did have the 600 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:03,760 flexibility of some equipment because it was only funded for the eight or nine 601 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:09,359 months, whatever it was, because it was midyear, right? So with it being 602 00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:14,400 midyear, yes, you had that flexibility. But we honored what the request was from 603 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:21,599 the sheriff and it got included from that point forward in every budget. Now, 604 00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:24,640 how we don't go ask, you know, the auditor's office, well, how do you do 605 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:30,480 this? Well, why did you move that? Why did you do this? We thought the goal was 606 00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:34,880 to make sure your guys got paid. So, >> but we do ask those questions cuz, you 607 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,599 know, we're trying to keep track of what we have so we don't have to come back to 608 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,599 y'all and ask. >> And and we're not we're not arguing 609 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:46,400 that. We're not arguing that at all. You should keep track of it. Every 610 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:49,440 department should keep track of it. But to 611 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:53,040 » we just want to be included in the conversation when it comes changes to 612 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:57,040 employees if that makes sense. And I think every one of y'all's as 613 00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:02,480 commissioners or department head is out here that they would want to know the 614 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:09,680 same thing instead of being surprised. >> Okay. We'll agree to disagree 615 00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:16,559 what was discussed. Okay. So we need to um move forward 616 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,559 and 617 00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:28,800 Okay. Uh, are you all okay with the 0.63 rate, which actually we already voted 618 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:34,640 on, and the 977% projected collection rate? So, we're 619 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:40,400 going to start with 96 97. >> 97. 620 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:45,599 » We modified it to 97. Okay. I think I had a question to ask and Andy 621 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:51,920 and I were discussing this yesterday and today this morning early like on this 622 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:58,640 new pay schedule on the pay sheet I'm sure where just let's take a deputy for 623 00:52:55,839 --> 00:53:02,640 instance that's been getting paid it's showing here $52,962 624 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,319 can >> that's 1152 625 00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:08,480 » can you go to this one >> I got I do better on this one 626 00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:13,359 » okay >> I got it written Tell me which page on 627 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:18,720 that. >> I'm not sure about that on that page. 628 00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:21,760 I'm just looking at the page scale here. >> Okay. 629 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,680 » 17. >> Huh. 630 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:28,880 » 17 on your >> Okay. 631 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:34,319 » Okay. So, let's look at what you got. My biggest question is and and he's telling 632 00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:39,599 me this and if we do it this way you budget that's fine but I would like it 633 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:45,960 clarified which what's what here is showing we're going to be going but he's 634 00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:45,960 saying they're getting paid $49,46 635 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:50,319 what check is being paid for right now on the beginning 636 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:53,319 » that's a starting deputy >> starting 637 00:53:53,599 --> 00:54:00,720 it shows here 529 >> because That's your See, I don't know 638 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,400 what you're looking >> on 2184 hours. 639 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:10,240 » Okay. >> So, a sheriff's deputy and a corrections 640 00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:15,760 officer, several other positions are scheduled to work 7 12-hour shifts a pay 641 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:22,319 period. That is 84 hours every two weeks. And that comes out to 2,184 hours 642 00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:25,680 a year. when they fill out their time sheets, if they take time off, if 643 00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:29,280 they're they're not scheduled to work, they should still use their time for 644 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:35,599 that 12 hour shift. So, at the end of the pay period, they're they've got 84 645 00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:42,800 hours on their time sheet. >> So, the 20 they at this time they are 646 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:46,480 paid for the 2080, but they're accumulating those law enforcement 647 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:51,520 credit hours for any hours worked between 80 and 86 hours per pay period. 648 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:54,079 So if they're working 84 hours of pay period or they're just putting 84 on 649 00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:01,520 their time sheet because they've taken time off at the end of the year the 2184 650 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:06,880 they've got 104 hours in their law enforcement credit hour bank. 651 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:09,680 They if they still have 104 hours at the end of the year that's going to get paid 652 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:14,720 down to 80. So they're going to get a check for 24 hours. And then if they 653 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:19,440 work another year and they've got another 104 hours added to that at the 654 00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:25,040 end of that year, now they've got 184 hours. They're going to get paid 104 655 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:29,599 hours. So the way it is set up right now, they they're going to get paid for 656 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:33,200 all of those hours. whether they they they could take them off. [music] They 657 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:38,160 could use them as a leave bank and take those credit hours off or they can keep 658 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:43,520 them in the bank and get paid for them either at the end of the fiscal year or 659 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:47,200 upon separation or the insurance request as they have often been requested to 660 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:51,359 have vacation or comp or whatever hours paid out and the court has always 661 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:55,280 approved that. So they have those hours in their bank because that is the way it 662 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:59,599 is set up right now. Well, let me say >> the 21 and the amount that's on here, 663 00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:02,960 the 21 is based on the 21.84 because that is the amount of that they are 664 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:08,048 eligible to receive. >> Well, let me say something. If I was a 665 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:14,400 deputy or whatever and I was working it [snorts] and I worked 84 hours of two 666 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:18,319 weeks, I'd be expected to be paid on 84 hours. I wouldn't be expected to 667 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,240 be changed, >> huh? 668 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,400 » The policy can certainly be changed and do that. 669 00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:26,480 » It needs to be changed. >> Not a problem. just just ask the human 670 00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:29,839 resources office to make that change and present it to commissioner's court and 671 00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:33,920 it's already budgeted so the funding is already there for it. It just needs to 672 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:37,359 be a change in policy if that's what everybody is asking for. 673 00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:41,599 » So like for 27 here we're coming we're showing $55,299 674 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,400 starting out. >> Okay, 675 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:48,799 » that's what budgeted right that's not what they're checking. 676 00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:52,960 » That is based on the 21.84. >> If the policy is changed then they'll 677 00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:55,839 get paid. But if the policy not changed, they gonna wait a year before they get 678 00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:02,079 paid on that. >> Okay, that that's what I'm want to know. 679 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:06,720 » You got anything to say on that one? >> Well, 680 00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:11,280 that's still not a guaranteed price. That That's a guaranteed price. If a 681 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:14,880 deputy works every day they're assigned to work, don't take advantage of the 682 00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:19,839 sick leave and does not take advantage of vacation pay, 683 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:24,079 » then that's a guaranteed price. If you work 80 hours, you're not banking any 684 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:28,799 hours for this 104 over here. If you work an 80 hour pay period, you would 685 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:33,520 have to work an 84h hour pay period every time to get to that bank over 686 00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:36,960 here. If you're just turning in 80 hours, you're not turning in anything to 687 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:39,200 your bank to get paid for it. >> But if you're not working, you shouldn't 688 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,880 get paid for it. >> That's correct. That's correct. 689 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:49,839 » But I've got another question. If we're we're set up here, and this is just me. 690 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,960 If we're saying we don't have money to give out pay raises, but we are 691 00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:58,400 budgeting, which is very smart, I would say, but we're budgeting for this 692 00:57:56,799 --> 00:58:02,240 amount. Why are we paying the deputies that amount? Cuz apparently we do have 693 00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:05,440 the money for that pay raise. >> You better come up here. 694 00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:07,680 » Let me say one thing. It sounds to me like we are paying them, but at the end 695 00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:12,079 of the year, >> you're not paying them that complete 48. 696 00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:16,720 The only way you going to pay that complete number. All right? And it's 697 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:20,240 easy to do on the math. If that person doesn't take a day off, 698 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,599 » if they take the time off, they're still supposed to account for the 84 hour pay 699 00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:27,359 period they're scheduled. >> No, they just turned in 80 hours. 700 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:31,280 » Yeah, they're just turning in 80 hours cuz that's the reason why we went to 701 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:34,559 this 80 hour deal because the the software over there did not like the 84. 702 00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:37,599 » That's not that's not falsifying any records if you're using time because 703 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,240 you're scheduled for a 12-h hour shift. You're scheduled for seven 12 hour 704 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,640 shifts in the pay period. >> Yeah, that's not what we're told and 705 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,680 that's not the way we've been doing it. That's not the way he told me to miss to 706 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,760 be honest with you. >> The policy changed and that did change 707 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:52,559 with him and I >> thought we had that conversation but 708 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,839 it's possible we didn't. I've had this conversation with James so he and I are 709 00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:00,240 on the same page and he said that he has told you all. So I 710 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:05,680 » but essentially if you take >> a day off that means you work 72 hours 711 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:11,920 then use 12 hours of vacation or use 12 hours of FLSA or some some lead bank. 712 00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:14,240 » Oh 72. Yes. They got to get to 80. Yes. They have to get to 84 because that's 713 00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:16,880 their schedule. >> No, we've never been told that and 714 00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:20,319 that's never been that way. >> Well, it's that's in the policy. 715 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:27,680 » That's in the policy. >> So, I policy that was put out that was 716 00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:31,280 changed under the uh consent agenda, >> which a lot of it gets done and not 717 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:36,480 brought. This is what I'm talking about. When we made changes to personnel and we 718 00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:39,920 don't get with the department heads on this, we don't know what's going on. 719 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:44,480 I've had conversations with you and I'm surprised you're saying this. Really? It 720 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:47,280 really surprises me. Get to 80 on the time sheet. 721 00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:49,599 » That was over. >> Yes, ma'am. 722 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:53,359 » 80 on the time sheet. >> The policy was changed last year. 723 00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:56,640 » Yeah. Well, let's We've been doing that this whole time. 724 00:59:54,319 --> 01:00:00,799 » But HR won't let you do it because they what they do is 725 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:04,000 » I know, but they they HR even 726 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:07,440 » you can come on up here and talk. It's a workshop. 727 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:13,839 » I do time sheets a lot. It's not if if if I take a vacation day and I work my 728 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:18,960 my hours, if I turn in 12 hours vacation, they're not going to take the 729 01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:22,079 full 12 and give me comp. They're just going to drop it to 8 hours vacation to 730 01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:25,359 get to 80. >> HR will not do it. They tell us all the 731 01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:29,280 time I fix it. >> We don't we just get to 80. There is no 732 01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:33,200 other four hours. I just don't burn 12 of vacation. I only burn eight. 733 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,920 » I only burn eight of vacation instead of 12. So that's what's happening right 734 01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:39,680 now. >> That's what hap that's what's always 735 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:44,720 happening. They only only get to 80. >> Okay. Because that was the whole thing. 736 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:50,079 The whole discussion was that every time sheet should be accurate. I mean, we 737 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:55,839 sent out an email saying that that every time sheet should be accurate because 738 01:00:52,720 --> 01:01:00,559 even not just you all, okay, every other department, if they work more than their 739 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:04,960 eight hour day, well then they're supposed to put that information in 740 01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:09,040 there accurately. That way you have the comp time accumulated or vacation or 741 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,319 whatever. >> But vacation is lost, right? If you 742 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:16,079 don't use it within a year, you lose it. There are some things that 743 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,839 » Okay, so if you turned in 12 hours vacation and you only work 72 and you 744 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,760 turn that in, they're going to give us four hours of comp time that they trust 745 01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:27,359 that they won't do that cuz that stacks up. 746 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:33,480 » But the time sheets should be accurate. >> That's correct. And the way you have 747 01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:33,480 been, but what he's saying is if 748 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:39,920 » I work by days, but I take a vacation day. So it puts you over on your comp. 749 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:45,119 So you're going to actually add FLSA time into your time deal. Okay. 750 01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:49,920 » Okay. So, they're taking that time off. Personnel is getting to 80 hours. They 751 01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:54,079 do not care about 84 unless you worked it. Now, if you're taking off, they're 752 01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:58,319 adding the 80 hours and they're actually putting that time back on the employees 753 01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,960 books. It has always been that way. >> And that is a conversation that we are 754 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,760 going to have with HR and get that corrected. 755 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,960 » So, y'all get paid some weeks, every two weeks, you get paid for 80 hours. 756 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:10,400 » Yes, sir. >> And then sometimes you get paid for 84. 757 01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:15,440 Well, I'll put it to you this week, Commissioner. So if he works an 84 hour 758 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:19,760 pay period and we we have the same we make the same money. We got the same 759 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:24,799 thing taking out our checks. He works 84 I work 80. It's the same take-home pay 760 01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:31,040 » because the four hours >> because the four hours goes into a bank 761 01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:34,559 » and if you're pay goes up we're basing it on 762 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:36,559 » that's why our starting salary is 49 something because that's what you're 763 01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:39,920 guaranteed. Yeah, 764 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:46,160 » we can't advertise the 48. If we're going to advertise 48, let's pay them 48 765 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:51,520 » for the jailers. The 49, I think it's 51 if you figure it up on the 2184. 766 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:56,079 And this this deal that we're talking about on this time sheet has been that 767 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:59,359 way. It has always been that way. Well, that should not have been that way 768 01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:03,440 because the time sheets, we were very, very clear when we went to the new 769 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:06,720 system that the time sheets needed to be accurate because we had the same thing 770 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:14,559 happening in other departments where they were like, well, I I worked 81, but 771 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:20,559 I put 80. No, if you worked 80, put 80. If you worked 84, put 84. If you worked 772 01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:24,480 76, put 76. I mean, whatever. when the policy was changed to create 773 01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:29,119 the law enforcement credit hours that at that same time was supposed to be 21.84 774 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:33,760 84. That's your schedule. That's what goes on your time sheet. And I I've had 775 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:36,160 that conversation with HR >> multiple 776 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:39,359 » multiple times. So, I don't understand why we're having that issue, but we will 777 01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:41,920 definitely correct it going forward. Make sure that you're putting 84 hours 778 01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:46,160 on your time sheets. >> Well, is that in the, 779 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:52,319 » you know, getting to the 84, but even if we turn the time, 780 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:54,799 » is that uh that's in writing someplace? >> I believe it's in. 781 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:58,799 » Can we get a copy of that? >> It's in the policy. That should be 782 01:03:56,559 --> 01:04:00,000 because whatever is in writing is what you go by. 783 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,000 » Yes. >> Well, the judge just proved the point. 784 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,920 If you make if you work over, yes, they want you to put it on there. 785 01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:10,400 » Yeah. >> But if you work 80, you put 80. Our deal 786 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:14,720 was to get to 80. Yes. If they work over the 84 or they work 84 over, yes, that's 787 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:18,319 going on the time sheet. That's correct. But working seven or 12 every two weeks 788 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,799 a day. >> Yes. 789 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:26,000 » Which do the 50 >> the deputies, the corrections officers. 790 01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:28,319 you know the people that are working there. 791 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:31,520 » Yeah. The 52962. >> No. What? 52962. 792 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,599 That's >> 2184. 793 01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:35,920 » Yeah. >> Yes. 794 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:39,039 » But >> how the hell do we get to all these 795 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,720 other 80s and everything if they work if they 796 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,799 » because that's what the software took them. The software is having problems 797 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:48,480 with 84 and that's been the problem the whole time. The reason we went back to 798 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:52,000 this 80 >> cuz before we were doing 84 to get past 799 01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:56,319 me. >> I was I was thinking back. But if you 800 01:04:54,319 --> 01:05:00,000 work but if you only work 72 cuz one of those was a vacation day. They're only 801 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,960 getting you to 80 which was 8 hours. >> But if you but if you but if you if you 802 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,319 turned in 12 >> Yeah. If I turn if I turn in 12 vacation 803 01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:11,200 they're what they're going to still do is they're still going to only take 8 804 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:16,240 hours vacation from me at 80. The only time I apologize because 805 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:20,559 that's not the way it's supposed to be set up. That's not the way it's supposed 806 01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:25,680 to be set This is in policy for us and I know this the only one time that we have 807 01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:31,119 to use that they have to take it if a deputy or jailer works holiday 808 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:34,400 and to get them to 80 they only use 4 hours holiday they have to burn that 12 809 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:38,960 hours holiday >> because that's in policy and that was an 810 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:42,799 agreement on the pol on the holiday time when it was changed before 811 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:46,880 » to get back to the 12 hours on what you worked 812 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:51,520 » because we increased the rate you got more money for holidays, right? For 813 01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:53,520 working holiday. >> Yeah, for holiday. 814 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:57,440 » If you work on holiday, >> so but it was based on how people were 815 01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:01,839 scheduled. I mean, if you're scheduled to work on a holiday, then you should 816 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:06,480 you deserve to be paid for that holiday time that you're losing. And so that I 817 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:11,440 do I I do know that that was one of the modifications we made for law 818 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:16,000 enforcement specifically um because we needed to make sure that 819 01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:20,079 that they were not having trouble staffing when it was holidays because of 820 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:24,240 course everyone wants to go spend Christmas with their family. So they 821 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:28,559 should be compensated for that. If you were come to sit at my desk today to get 822 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:33,359 hired on, I'm going to do a PAF for you for 49,46 823 01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:36,079 is your guaranteed salary for a start. >> Well, then 824 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,559 » that's a guaranteed salary that you're going to get. 825 01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:40,640 » We should probably just change it to the hour. 826 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:45,920 » That's Yeah, that's going to use your >> That would be correct. 827 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:52,000 » Well, because that is some of the people we do have a lot of people in the 828 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:57,839 sheriff's office that are losing steps as well. So if you look at at page 17, 829 01:06:55,039 --> 01:07:05,119 you can see that some of the increases are very very minimal. You know, we have 830 01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:12,480 a one increase in the amount of $160. But that's also they lost steps. And so 831 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:19,920 that was one of our objectives in some of this was to find a way to recoup the 832 01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:22,880 steps that people lost. Matter of fact, you're one of the 833 01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:28,319 examples. So, we have to get to law enforcement 834 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:33,359 jailers under 207. You have to get to 86 before LSA kicks in. That's where you're 835 01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:37,760 getting this four and the six numbers when everybody normally works an 80 hour 836 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:43,520 shift. But the four and the six is regular time paid because of the 207. 837 01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:48,640 But the the the having to put in for the 80 hours 838 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:54,480 » is is incorrect because >> I mean we did have that discussion about 839 01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:59,359 how you all wanted to structure some of that and what other counties were doing 840 01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:04,079 and how you wanted to proceed with that. And so we've tried multiple different 841 01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:10,799 things in terms of law enforcement which included the holiday pay, you know, 842 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:13,359 different rotations, that kind of stuff. >> Yeah, we did have that discussion, 843 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,760 judge, for sure. >> Yeah. 844 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,799 » And that's where we're banking the time now. 845 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,960 » Yes. >> But it was still 80 hours on the time 846 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,400 sheet. >> Well, I 847 01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:25,279 » Well, I >> I don't know that I like banking the 848 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,719 time. >> The start should be 50. 849 01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:33,520 » That's my opinion. If that's what we're going to say it is based off 2184 that's 850 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:36,799 what it should say on your PA. >> Yeah. 851 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:42,400 » And I agree with and and we need to be you know I budgeted for it. Yeah. You 852 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:47,359 need some cushion in there. You do. But even if you got them make here and then 853 01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:51,920 to the side of it what's actually being paid because when I look at it sitting 854 01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:55,679 here behind this desk and I look at it then it makes sense to me. It makes 855 01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:00,880 sense to me when I look at one thing but it's not something else. Okay. Then we 856 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:06,799 need to change the policy, right? And and take out the banking hours, right? 857 01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:10,480 And and go from there. >> And if you think about it this way, 858 01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:14,880 commissioners, if if we're going to pay the 52, if that's what we're paying, our 859 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:20,560 ask for pay raises here would have been much less. 860 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:27,920 It really would have been. >> Okay. So you have the and that's a 861 01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:33,839 policy change which is not a problem because that was that was a discussion 862 01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:42,000 » that that was brought to the commissioners. 863 01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:47,839 » Okay. So let's let's back up to the 97% and the rate as it is. 864 01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:52,080 » So we'll have that policy change on the next quarter. Uh we'll have it before 865 01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:55,520 the fiscal year starts. >> Have it before. Okay. So that'll start 866 01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:59,760 October 1st >> because it'll be okay. 867 01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:07,120 » Yeah. >> So number one budget at 0.63% rate which 868 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:13,320 we've already approved and what we're changing is the 97% projected collection 869 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,320 rate. 870 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:20,159 » So move. Yes. >> Mr. Mr. Robertson. All in favor say I. 871 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:25,920 » I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries. 872 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:32,159 Okay. We need to know whether or not you want to fund the one-step restoration 873 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:36,440 for employees who lost steps. Uh and that will cost us an $197,200. 874 01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:48,320 Um we want to fund a one step increase for corrections officers which will be 875 01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:54,400 approximately $63,000. Um, and then do you want to add funds to 876 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:57,960 the auditors and to the district attorney's office, 877 01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:09,360 » which would be uh discretionary. Then they can decide where to allocate. 878 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:11,600 » Two and three. We're talking $260,000. >> Correct. 879 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:18,509 » Right. Correct. >> And funds for four. Where is that? 880 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:21,520 » That That's about 16,000. [clears throat] 881 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:25,320 » So if you look at number six, look at number six on your 882 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:33,880 » information we gave you, >> we have an available surplus of the 883 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,880 276,43. 884 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:48,159 So to restore one step to employees which benefits everyone across the board 885 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:51,880 um would cost us 79 uh excuse me would cost us $197,200 886 01:11:52,320 --> 01:12:01,040 which leaves us $79,203 remaining. 887 01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:07,159 And for one step uh for the 42 corrections officers, it would cost us 888 01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:07,159 $63,100 889 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:17,120 um which leaves you a little over $16,000. 890 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:24,280 And that would address um some of the auditors, classified staff, and your 891 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,280 district attorney's office. 892 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:41,520 That would that be a one time? >> Oh, no, no, no. 893 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,640 That's that's a that would be budgeted personnel. 894 01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:45,440 » Okay. >> We would not come back and pull any of 895 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,960 those >> because it would be a recurring cost. 896 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:58,320 But I'm talking about restoring the That's what I mean. Yeah. 897 01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:02,239 » Well, we would restore the one step and then it would go forward. 898 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:05,920 » Yeah. Right. But for this >> Yes. 899 01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:07,120 » purpose of this. Yes. You need a U motion. 900 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:12,719 » Yes. >> I'll make the motion. 901 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:19,800 » Okay. You want to make the motion uh for number two or two, three, and four? How 902 01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:19,800 do you want to do it? 903 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:29,360 » So, I want everybody to, you know, we we want to stay within our our area, but I 904 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:36,880 mean our budgets, but at the same time, we want to help everybody and and make 905 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:42,159 Okay. So, uh this is where I'm going with that. So, we would restore the one 906 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:47,600 step for employees who lost >> correct step. And then do you want to 907 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:51,600 include the one step >> also for correctional officers? 908 01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:55,120 » Right. So we'd have we'd have about a little over 16,000. 909 01:13:52,719 --> 01:14:00,800 » So then we would have 16,000 that we could allocate for the district attorney 910 01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:03,679 and for the auditor's office. 911 01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:06,719 » You okay with that? >> Yes, I am. 912 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:12,080 » Okay. Comes as a recommendation from Commissioner Robertson. Any discussion, 913 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,239 questions? >> Second. Huh? 914 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:20,560 » Second. >> Second. Commissioner Pervvis. 915 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:26,239 » All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? 916 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:32,239 Motion carries. Okay. And then item number five, confirm 917 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:36,400 the use of unspent waste management fund dollars for recycling supplies and 918 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:40,080 equipment. >> So second. 919 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:47,280 » Okay. Commissioner Cassidy, Commissioner Curtis. All in favor say I. 920 01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:51,040 Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay. 921 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:58,040 » Motion to adjourn. Second. Very well. Minister, Commissioner Kathy 11:15. 922 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,040 Thank you, ma'am.