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thank you. I'll do that you're absolutely right.

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So your fault is is all ours is all out. So if you want to keep them out there that

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can be that. That's fine. If I'll come back here if there is a problem, I'll figure

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out the. Will you tell them that? Yeah, yeah, I, um, I have started the recorder,

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but yeah, I, I'm muted it currently you guys are finding me out here. Hang on just

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a second there so you get your shot, um, gets back. I will

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Open. And

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Sir, you could just time to start now. Thank you all for coming. Um, this is a special

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meeting of the, uh, advisory Golf board, and I'd like to call it to order and we

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stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I told you.

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States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

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It's real cold here. Ashcraft, yeah, put that here. Then here Beckley here

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Mitchell here Terrell here Covington's here middle of winter and we have everybody

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it's crazy. should be someplace warm so. Um, We're here for one purpose and, uh,

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Ed, if you'd like to, sure, introduce and yeah, get started. Thank you, Chairman.

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So, right, so we, the city received a proposal from um a group that Mr. Dallas Tanner

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represents, and he'll make further explanation of that in just a minute. Um, as this

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board is aware. Uh, I believe approximately well, well over a year, maybe 18 months

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ago, we received a proposal, an initial proposal from a group interested in. Leasing

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and managing the Polson Bay golf course, um, we've been working with them in that

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interim period of time and then we did receive the second proposal, um, about a month

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ago. So as we did with that, with the first group, uh, we offered them an opportunity

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to come and speak with the city commission. So that's what today is about. We also

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thought it would be a good idea since his group is in town to have them meet with

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the golf advisory board and let, let you all have some interaction as well. So that's

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really what we have planned for today. We'll, we'll have Mr. Tanner's group, uh,

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come up, allow, uh, do you think 20 minutes is enough, Dallas, 1520 minutes, um,

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for them to make their presentation, and then following that, I would like to have

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the golf advisory board have an opportunity to interact and ask as many questions,

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excuse me, ask as many questions as you want to, um, and engage in that. And then

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once, Mr. Chair, once you feel like that that's probably at a stopping point for

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the day, then we can certainly open it up to public comment, um, and then try, as

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I said earlier, try and get finished with this session about 11:15, um, for anyone

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that's in the room, we do have a workshop with the city commission at 5:30 tonight

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back in this room, which is also open to the public on Zoom as well. So, um. I think

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according to the fire chief we are full for the room and we're OK with the folks

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that we have existing in this lobby, uh, this little hallway out here. That's about

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our maximum, um, so I think that being said, Mr. Chair, any other questions about

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that or OK, Dallas, why don't you come up here. And I'll get your,

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um, Get your presentation. Yeah

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Actually, if you give me just a sec. Yes, I can. I will get it up. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's a little bit better graphic, um. If you guys just wanna cue me whenever

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you want to screen, yeah, I'll, I'll run you through the sizes. Thank you. All right,

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good afternoon. Uh, for the record, I'm not Dallas Tanner. My name is Rick Smith.

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Been a businessman in Pulsa for 35 years. I have gotten to know Dallas about 11 years

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ago. Uh, helped him acquire some property on Finley Point, and we, uh, just acquired

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some other property, uh, this past summer. I've been very fortunate and I'm grateful

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to have. Been able to develop A very strong lake shore business and one thing I've

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noted is that I hate to say all of these people, but most of these people. Love our

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community. Are passionate about our community. And want to help our community and

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um. They've made a lot of these lake buyers have made substantial donations

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to the hospital. Uh, and the Boys and Girls Club, and it's something that I think

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would be beneficial to our community to use and leverage, uh, to make it even better.

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Who is Dallas? I mean, I've gotten to know him pretty well. When you do a real estate

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transaction with someone, you really get to see their colors. And, uh, of course,

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all transactions have issues and challenges. He's always been a man of his word.

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He's a man of integrity. About a year ago, we were talking and he goes, Rick, I,

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I wanna buy the golf course. I go, What? He goes, no, I love golf. I've been playing

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golf here since I was 13. And I love this golf course. He's played golf all over

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the world. He calls this his second favorite golf course.

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His first round, uh, golf, he was 13 years old here.

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Dallas has very good intentions to help make our community better. And I've seen

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that over and over, over a long period of time. He also has the resources. When I

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say resources, I don't, I mean, I don't mean only financial. There are other resources

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that are available to help us. His mom and dad live here 12 months a year. Dallas's

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plan is to move here full-time, uh, in 5 to 7 years. If you read page

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8 of his document, and I just wanted to quote this, all he's asking for, right, he

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put forth a proposal for discussion, and he's asking for a conversation with the

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city to explore whether this partnership serves Paulson's interests. No commitment

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is required at this stage.

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I didn't know if I was gonna say this, but I raised 3 boys here. Uh, one went to

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Stanford Law, one's at Harvard, biochemistry, grad student, and the other one's director

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of guest services at a very, uh, luxury hotel. And I contribute a lot of that to

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growing up in a place like this. We are so lucky, and we're so lucky to have. Our

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community and we're lucky to have these people that that come here, live here year

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round, some live part time that wanna contribute and help, and there's an expertise

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out there that I think we could use. So I've been pleased and happy to work with

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Dallas and without anything else, Mr. Tanner, thanks, appreciate it. Yeah, you bet.

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Everybody needs a hype man, so I appreciate Rick, uh, being willing to introduce

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me a little bit, uh, out here. First of all, thank you, Mr. Chairman of the board.

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Appreciate the opportunity to get in front of you all and talk about something I

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think we're all passionate about, which is the city of Polson and, and what makes

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it so wonderful, um. Before I get into sort of who I am, I think I just wanted to

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start by talking a little bit about the what, which is, you know, this opportunity

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and I've spent a lot of time here since 1993. Uh, my family's been here on the lake

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since 191993. My parents here since 19998, you know, I got engaged to my wife up

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here in Polson, raised my kids here. We plan on being here a long, long time. One

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of the things that I've loved about the town is the community feel and the aspect

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that sort of everybody digs in. I think it's evident by. This being sort of the hottest

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ticket in town this afternoon is the full house, uh, that there's a lot of interest,

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right, in not only the stewardship that we all, um, have over certain parts of, of

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the town proper, but also things that we're passionate about. And one of the things

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that I, as you get to know me as a member of this town, whether there's an opportunity

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to do it at the golf course or not over time, is that we'll be passionate and stay

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involved. And as Rick mentioned, we've been heavily involved with the Boys and Girls

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wing and also done things for fire and other community interests. The thing that

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I thought about over the last couple of years, and I actually talked to Cameron about

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it a couple of years ago, I said, you know, the city does a wonderful job of maintaining

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the golf course, generally speaking, it's a great municipal golf course. Uh, we spend,

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you know, 234 nights a week out here in the summer playing golf, and, and one of

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the best parts about it is the field, the vibe, it's, it's, it's casual, right? It's

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meant to be. Uh, Montana, um, the thing that I have come to appreciate about it and

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a little bit of experience in a few other golf courses that I've invested in in the

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past have been that it's, you know, it's easy to, to, to have an opinion from the

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cheap seats, right? Anyone that runs a business or a commission or a committee knows

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it, it takes moving a lot of people, a herd as I call it, in one direction to produce

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real results or create an outcome. The other thing that I have an appreciation for

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is in having worked a lot in my professional experience in both public-private partnerships

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and working with different cities and municipalities, is that nothing's easy. It

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takes time. You have to first surface the idea like Rick said, you have to talk to

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people. You have to socialize what it is that you're actually trying to do, and there

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can be a lot of misperception as to sort of intent or what the overall outcome desired

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would be. With Mixed, it's it's it's a group of partners that I'm involved with,

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and I would also say that I've had keen insight on this opportunity from a number

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of members of the community here. The thought was, can we take something that's really

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good and make it great and on the margins do a few things that will create an overall

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experience for the town and for the community candidate it'd be a bit more engaging.

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This town has plenty of influence and there's there's full-timers, there's summer

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visitors and the like. You know, I think what we don't need is another bank, another

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bar, or, or, or another, you know, uh, dispensary. What we do need are people that

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are creating and bringing resources in to create community and sort of engagement

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areas where we can all enjoy. One of the things that I love about the Tulsa Bay golf

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course is that sort of feeling when you come in late in the dawn on Friday or Saturday

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afternoon and people are sitting up on the patio and you know maybe the grill's going

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and there's been some challenges there admittedly as I've learned with that part

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of the business, but that could be expanded. I think there's a way to activate some

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of those areas and put some significant capbacks into the clubhouse. That could not

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only help the bunker grill, which has had its own set of challenges, but actually

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sort of activate the space in a way that it could be a much more better served common

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area space. I think on the margin there's little things we can do around the golf

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course that will take, you know, resources beyond just what's maybe in the annual

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budget. I think there's things we can do around car pass. I think there's things

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we can do around tee boxes. I think there's things that we can do around greens and

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some of the green management. I was involved with a project in Tennessee a few years

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ago called Sweeten's Cove. I don't know if any of you have had a chance to play it

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or if you've looked online, but it's a fabulous golf course built by a guy by the

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name of Rob Collins. Rob built the golf course basically with his bare hands. And

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then over time he brought in a small group of investors who who have allocated additional

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resources. Now there's also a bourbon brand there. I'm not suggesting that for the

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town of Polson. That was also part of what they want to do to sort of highlight the

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area. What they've been able to do over time is create a. I, I like to call it like

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a field of dreams meets golf sort of field where there's a really healthy energy

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around local and around they they sell day passes, they do different things that

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keep it sort of for the locals, and I would envision something very similar. I think

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candidly, I think the golf course does a great job with this. I think the golf's

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pretty affordable right now. I think the annual passes are affordable. I think Cameron

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and his team do a wonderful job in the pro shop. I think Pat does a really good job

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with the resources he has on the golf course, but I also think that with a little

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bit of creative thinking and maybe even perhaps an advisory board around a new group

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of ownership, that if you have the right resources, the right capital to allocate,

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you could make what's already good really, really great. And that's really the pitch

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at the end of the day is there's enough of us up here that love this place, love

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what the town's all about, love what the locals are all about, but if we could bring

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in the right amount of resources, which would be subject to working in partnership

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with the city in terms of the plan, that was one of the reasons why we pitched the

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99 year lease concept is we don't need to own the land at the end of the day. Anything

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you want to do with the golf course, generally speaking outside of what's there,

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you have to come to the city for approvals anyway. And whether that was a project

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around the clubhouse or something, you know, if you had another grand design in a

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couple of years, but that's typically how public-private partnerships work, right?

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You get access to capital that can come in, do a few things to improve, make an area

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better, um, and try to be, you know, I, I don't view it as, as ownership. I view

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it as putting the right group together that can be stewards, and I have all the confidence

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in the world that, you know, the 4 or $5 million it takes to put this together to

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do it the right way, that we can do it. I think you need local buy-in. I think you

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need an advisory board buy-in. I think you need local support, um, but I, but I think

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we can actually take what's been here and been really great and make it even better

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and leave it in a better way, um, for our kids and the next generations that wanna

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spend time out there. Um, I won't bore you with going through this whole proposal,

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but I thought it probably makes sense to at least touch on sort of a couple of the

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concepts here. Real quick, you know, and I, and I, and I'll give you just a thought,

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if you, uh, Ed, if you wouldn't mind going to the page that just says benefits for

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Pulson, and I, I warned Ed before I sent this over after meeting with him and Laura,

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I said, look, there is no way or shape meant to be final. Uh, just the thought is

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we, we've invested in a couple of different golf courses, one in Phoenix and one

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in Tennessee. You typically these things sell for 1 to 2 times kind of their operating.

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Sort of margins and I'll, and I'll be fair, I don't have a completely holistic view

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of the P&L. I have a pretty good sense based on some things that we've been able

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to share and have our team work on to sort of line out and put in front of the of

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of the city, but I thought if you did some sort of a structure where you pay 2 times

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upfront and then another 2 times over 5 or 10 years. Uh, it's a net win for the city

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because we can put another million dollars in the general fund on top of the additional

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dollars that we would bring in to reinvest in the course and in the clubhouse and

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in the facilities and so there wasn't, I, I don't want to kind of overthink this,

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but as I sort of met with the old mayor and the new mayor with that and come to understand

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sort of some of the. Some of the challenges with operating a golf course with the

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city budget, I mean, it's not, it's not easy, right? We all have constraints on our

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resources. My companies have constraints, and so as you go through that annual planning,

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it's very easy to pull, pull out, you know, future CX projects or things that you'd

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like to do, uh, that, that also meet the other needs of the citizens here, here in

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Folsom. And so my thought was to make the city a partner, have them come along with

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us for the ride. And then I would also say that in the event that we had other ideas

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or things that we thought that we could do to enhance the property, as I mentioned

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before, I think that would take public endorsement. I think the city would have to

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sign off on that, but you do that in the appropriate way, right? You, you show up,

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go through the planning and zoning commission, you show any idea whether it was a

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renovation to a clubhouse or the like. Um, we're committed, as I mentioned on our

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commitments to Polson Page, we maintain all the local partnerships, generally speaking,

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the rates on golf, uh, the annual memberships, the donations they make to the different.

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Constituencies and charities that are here in Polson, we would want to honor that

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and probably candidly look to enhance it just a little bit. I think there's some

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pretty cool things we could do from a charitable perspective. My wife and I have

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talked about this. I think there's a number of things that we could do to drive additional

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revenue to the town through some charitable days out on the golf course in the summer,

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some things we could do in the evening that I know for a fact would get a big buy-in

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from. A lot of the families that we know up here that I think could only just be

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net beneficial to the town. I'd like to work with the mayor and some of these different

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areas and opportunities where we can do that and target specific needs that the town

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has. On the next page, we just at a very high level and again I haven't had the proper

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opportunity to do the right amount of diligence, so I'd ask you to just read this

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with a little bit of a grain of salt, but you know we saw some near term things that

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we thought we could do right out of the gate. I mentioned the grill, the clubhouse.

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I think we could do something there that would make it. Not only, you know, people

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that like to golf, they're proud, but I think the city would be proud. I think it

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could be a much better common area space that we could open up to a number of different

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events. I think there's a lot that you can do with that space, especially considering

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the patio and the area down below. I think there's a lot that you could do from a.

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A public perspective, the common area could be utilized in a much better way. We

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had no other issues with the grill. I think that's something we'd have to spend some

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time on and sort of think through. Is it better to keep in-house or to bring in a

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partner, uh, maybe a restaurateur. I've talked to a couple so far that have expressed

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some interest. I think there's an opportunity there. Um, I know that there's some

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significant capbacks that we need to spend over the next 2 to 3 years, including

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updates to cars and the like, and then there will be a few projects I want to spend

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some time on with Pat and the board to better understand so that we can all align

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interests and make sure that we're focusing on the right areas. And I want to be

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really clear, like we have no intentions of in our proposal making this a private

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club or anything but what it currently is. We just have, we just truly have a passion

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and I think the resources to make it a little bit better, uh, and something that

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we could all enjoy a little bit more, um. Lastly, just a little bit about myself.

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I was born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona. Um, I'm currently living in Dallas, Texas.

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I've been involved in a number of different real estate opportunities and development

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businesses. My family's background goes back almost 4 generations doing horizontal

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earthwork and dirt work. We've done a number of things. For different golf courses

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in in in Maricopa County and Phoenix, I sat on the flood control advisory board for

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Maricopa County, so I have a full appreciation of of what groups like you and different

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committees do in terms of donating your time and and resources to help overseeing

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things that are important to a to a town or community, um. And then, uh, lastly,

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and I just want to thank, uh, both Ed and Laura, the mayor, uh, for their willingness

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to engage is, you know, I think there's an ability, and I don't know all the constituencies

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admittedly, um, I've gotten to know a few members of the, the Gulf advisory board

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and a couple of people here in the community. I've certainly known some folks for

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a long time like Cameron. But I think there's an opportunity to engage here, and

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I know there's a lot of different ideas on the table about what do you do with the

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golf course long term. Should it stay in the city? Should it go private? Should it

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be part of an association? I'd say I'm all ears at the end of the day and want to

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be as supportive as we can, but I do see an opportunity that you can take what's

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been, you know, one of the city's jewels, a really cool common area space, make it

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better, enhance it, and hopefully can provide better access for members of the community

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and ultimately hopefully drive. Uh, more resources into the town, and I think, you

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know, a good example of this just for fun is, you know, I, like I said, I've been

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coming here since I was 13. You know, I've gone to that movie theater on Main Street

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my whole life in the summer to go check out a movie and that thing got a lot better

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about 5 or 6 years ago and it took somebody, you know, taking risks, probably at

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the worst time going into the pandemic, but now when we go there with our kids and

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it's just fabulous, right? It's a great asset that the town gets to enjoy, and I

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think Folsom Bay should be the same way. I think there's ways that we can open it

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up. I think we can, you know, I, I, I get that sometimes, especially with something

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like this, change can be a little bit scary, but I think if you do it in a measured

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way with the right partners and with the right resources, there's no reason why it

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can't just be a win, win, win, and I think it's going to take some creative thinking

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across things like this in Polson over time and distance to continually enhance the

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value of the overall lived experience here in town. So I appreciate your time today.

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I'm grateful to be here. I'm grateful to be a member of the Polson community and.

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And um thank you for uh hearing our idea about trying to see if we can come in and

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help and do something that I think the town would be proud of. Thank you. Dallas,

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if you wanna hang out there, uh, Mr. Chair, maybe we could open it to the advisory

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board for questions. Thank you, yeah, no problem. Do we have any questions? wanna

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start over here. Sure, sure, um, I just want to clarify that you are a for-profit

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organization, correct? As we're coming into this, that's exactly how we're thinking

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of it's just, just so that we could run it like a traditional business model, OK.

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And you said you guys are in town now, so none of you live here full time. I'm not

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full time. We're here from kind of May to September. I have 5 kids, uh, one of 2

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of which basically are in college and 3 that are finishing up sort of middle school

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through high school right now. Thank you.

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Um, 1st, 1st of all, I'd like to comment on my, uh, name in the, on the golf board

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in the city, um, uh, website. It's not Monton. I didn't write it. It's, uh, Morton,

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but I go by Mark. Uh, uh, the question I have, um, Number one out of, out of

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many is how did MIXT learn about this opportunity? How

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did MIXT come to be able to present this in the public and the uh

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the Polson Bay Golf Association has not been afforded the same opportunity. And you

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said, Ed, that we were asked to make a presentation. I don't know. I can't confirm

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that. So, so I'll start that. So, yeah, so, um, when.

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I know, 18 months ago, um, I believe there was a meeting in this room with the city

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commission, uh, for the purpose of discussing a gentleman came down from Whitefish,

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um, and the purpose of that meeting was to was to discuss the possibility of a local

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association was interested in putting forth the idea of leasing the golf course,

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and we did that. We had that meeting here. It was about. 45 minutes to an hour long,

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something like that. So that's what I'm referencing. It's the same type of introductory

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conversation that we had with that group, um, as far as how did it get, you know,

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Mr. Tanner approached the city, I don't know, 3 or 4 months ago. I can't remember

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exactly early June was it June? Was it that far ago? Wow, um, was it? Yeah. But Starbucks

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was Starbucks, yeah, OK, so anyways, and said they had an idea and they would, uh,

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so myself and Mayor Huffine met with them, um, and said, you know, we're open to

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if, if you have a proposal you wanna make, sure, you know, um, then we heard from

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them again, I believe, in November, yeah, I think I had followed up, uh, with a couple

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of emails. Just want to understand. And so then once we had a proposal in hand, just

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like we did for the first meeting, um, we made the city commission aware of it and

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we scheduled a meeting so that we could have it, um, be a, a public introduction

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of the idea to both this group and the city commission. I think that meeting with

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the Whitefish, uh, people was a concept and not a proposal. OK, um, that,

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that, that, and that certainly could be your perspective. Perhaps I'll see it a little

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bit differently. Um, we have had a number of follow-up sessions with that group since

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that time and, and recently. Like I think within the last couple of months I've provided

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all of our comments and back to the city commission so that they could see what at

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least our comments were on the lease that was proposed there. If, if that group desires

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to come back and have a session like this, we're not opposed to it. Um, I haven't

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been asked for that opportunity. Mr. Tanner's group asked for this opportunity. If

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that's something they wanna do, more than welcome to put it on the calendar. Thank

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Excuse me, I just want to comment on that, Ed, let's get this thing cleared up. This

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was a couple of years ago, probably 3 years ago, and anything that the, The conversation

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between. Eddding Coddington and I with the Whitefish, and all it was to bring it

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down to say, this is what Whitefish did with their city. This is what Kalispell did

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with their city, and the superintendent of the golf course in Whitefish offered to

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come down and chat. He came down and chat the whole thing. We weren't in association.

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We weren't anything then. All we were is to show the council if they want to uh what

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the cities can do with the golf course. That was all. So there was no offer to do

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what Mr. Tanner's doing right now. We may ask for it later, but I just want to clar

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clarify that. Well, and, and so we, I would say we have a different perspective,

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but this isn't really the purpose. Well, I, I, I, I'm glad, I'm glad to do this if

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you want to do this offline or if you want to do it in the city commission meeting.

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But that particular group, the city has been involved with them. Numerous times since

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that beginning conversation and if at any point they wanted to or want to have that

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type of a forum with the city commission, all it would do is take a request. At no

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point have we turned down any anything like that. My impression has been that that

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group wanted to work the way that we've been working on. They wanted to start with

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the lease document and try and work through that. And so that's what they've been

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doing, um. The purpose of the day we had a request to make a public presentation

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and we've honored that request like, like we do. I'm sorry, I'm talking Larry like

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we do any time that a group, uh, like this, whether it's a private company, a nonprofit,

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or anybody else wants to make a presentation. That's what we do. We schedule it.

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OK, um. I just have a couple of questions about, um, so you, you're an avid golfer

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and you golf, of course, 4 times a week when you're up here. Do you have a golf pass?

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I, I did for a couple of different years. I've been buying the punch cards the last

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couple of summers. And then did you contact, you talked about Cameron. Did you talk

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to Pat? Did you talk to Cameron about the golf course, about what's going on, what

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our needs were about the greens, about the fairways? Not in depth because I didn't

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want to get over my skis. I mean, candidly, to your point around process, I want

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to be really careful that I respected sort of the right processes. A couple of years

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ago, I did talk to Cameron. I said, Hey, wouldn't it be a crazy idea to think about

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this if, you know, someday to take it sort of private, and we have one conversation

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about it and we just sort of think about it. Um, so no, I have not engaged, you know,

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in the weeds yet or in the diligence phase with camera. No, not yet. It's interesting

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to get a proposal, and I know it's a proposal, but the only people you talked to

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was what the mayor, who is a non-golfer, the city manager who is a non-golfer.

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It seems strange that we've come up with a huge proposal for millions of dollars

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and we haven't even talked to anybody that is around this golf course that really

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knows the golf course. Yeah, real quick, my, my understanding was that that's what

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the purpose of this meeting was for. Larry was to have this first discussion so that

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we could talk to the golf advisory board. It wasn't meant to. Be out there with inspectors

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doing due diligence work or no, they'd be putting the cart before the horse. I think

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what I wanted to do was come in here first talk about who I am. Started as an idea

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a couple of years ago, started the conversation with the former mayor, uh, met Ed,

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asked if we could set up a working session. So I want to be really careful that we

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don't Get ahead of ourselves here. I feel like this is the appropriate format to

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sort of talk about this as a concept out loud, not specifically on what you do or

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don't do with the golf course per se. I have my own views which I already laid out

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in my kind of monologue, but I, I wouldn't want any and all feedback. I mean, a lot

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of you guys play the course more than I do. Uh, it doesn't change the fact that I

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think we can all agree based on some of the conversations I've had with a couple

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of members here on the different boards that we all sort of see things the same way,

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that there's an ability to improve and to make it an even better experience. So I

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would just say real quick, Larry, I mean I think Dallas is absolutely right. Once,

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once we got to the point where we knew that an actual proposal was going to be on

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the way, um, we had that discussion that the best way to do this would be. To have

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a series of public meetings and push the issue out into the public so we could start

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a conversation, um, and not have a bunch of behind closed doors speculation,

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conspiracy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So that's exactly how we got here today.

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Um, when Dallas made the proposal, he asked if we could kick this off in a public

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fashion and so we put it on the counter. And do you want it's OK if I say something,

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absolutely, Larry, uh, good questions. I understand. We thought we were following

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protocol by talking to the city manager, uh, and the mayor at the time. We thought

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that was step number one. And then the next step was. Dallas and his team fooled

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around with a proposal, and again, you know, that quote I read, it's a proposal,

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it's out there for discussion. So we didn't, the intention was not to do some sneaky

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behind the scenes thing. We went directly to the people we thought could give us

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advice on how to proceed. OK, let's talk about Sweetened Cove. So Sweetened Cove,

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the way I understand it, I mean, I've read up on it. Um, I actually talked to the

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mayor of Pittsburgh this morning, uh, saying, I don't want to talk about it. I don't

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want to talk about those guys. Call the county. So I don't know what he meant by

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00:32:03,479 --> 00:32:09,016
that, but then I had called for a tee time. Oh, well, we're not, we're not open then,

400
00:32:09,199 --> 00:32:13,959
but we open on Friday, and I said, well, how about a tea time around 120? Well, we

401
00:32:13,959 --> 00:32:17,719
don't do that. We do a shotgun at 8:30 in the morning. Yeah, that's not how it works.

402
00:32:17,076 --> 00:32:21,709
It's a, it's a unique format they have there. And the other thing is, that came up

403
00:32:21,709 --> 00:32:26,969
was, oh, and then you have a food truck there. So, the other thing that came up was.

404
00:32:28,489 --> 00:32:34,729
You talk about not taking this pulse in private if we got into that, but 43% of your

405
00:32:34,729 --> 00:32:40,849
time at that golf course is reserved for owners. It's closed to the public. That's

406
00:32:40,849 --> 00:32:45,089
not true. So, and I, we mean that with all respect. So the way it works there is

407
00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:48,089
they actually drop what's called a day pass because it's meant for destinational

408
00:32:48,089 --> 00:32:52,479
golf, very different than what is here in Tulsa. So I would actually encourage you

409
00:32:52,479 --> 00:32:55,068
not to fixate on that because I don't think that model works here, nor would I be

410
00:32:55,068 --> 00:33:00,051
a proponent of that model. It's in a very remote location outside of Chattanooga,

411
00:33:00,869 --> 00:33:04,709
so what you do is, and they, they sell it in about 40 minutes, 4 times a year. So

412
00:33:04,709 --> 00:33:09,003
they post the passes online and then when you buy a day pass, there's no carts. There's

413
00:33:09,003 --> 00:33:12,969
a couple of carts, but it's meant to walk. It's a 9 hole, 2 different grains, um,

414
00:33:13,189 --> 00:33:16,449
it, it is actually a day pass. And you're right, they currently don't have a clubhouse.

415
00:33:16,077 --> 00:33:19,077
They've just recently secured investment. They're building a clubhouse. It's, it's

416
00:33:19,077 --> 00:33:23,199
a different concept. The only reason I mentioned Sweeten's Cove is I just want to

417
00:33:23,199 --> 00:33:27,029
give background that this isn't our first rodeo in terms of being involved in projects

418
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:31,001
to benefit local towns and do different things around golf. That's all that's all

419
00:33:31,001 --> 00:33:38,729
that's meant there. OK. Um, I'll, I'll pass for now. Um, my first question

420
00:33:38,729 --> 00:33:46,066
is, um, In your executive summary here, 99 year lease, transferable.

421
00:33:47,088 --> 00:33:55,079
Are you still involved with the Sweeten Cove? very minority LP, yeah. I don't run

422
00:33:55,076 --> 00:34:00,008
that business or the operating partnership, just an investor. So, uh, transferable

423
00:34:01,006 --> 00:34:06,075
ground lease, you're. Talking about here for Pulsa. Well, what I was trying to do

424
00:34:06,075 --> 00:34:12,229
just to be clear was try to do something to uh Rick's point, and I think what Ed

425
00:34:12,229 --> 00:34:16,003
followed up on is do something that's sort of simple, clean, and easy, uh, I'm not

426
00:34:16,003 --> 00:34:19,969
asking to buy the land, and I, and I, when the first time I met with Eric and then

427
00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:24,118
following up with Ed, I said. Someone should approach this with a way to be a steward

428
00:34:24,118 --> 00:34:28,839
so that we preserve the golf course forever, and I think a 99 year lease accomplishes

429
00:34:28,839 --> 00:34:36,085
that. Um, Well, for generations. My point of standpoint, and I think the

430
00:34:36,085 --> 00:34:41,057
city is 99 years is a long time to commit to anybody. Well, it's just, it's similar

431
00:34:41,057 --> 00:34:45,169
things that we've seen work with, um, some of the tribes that you could be open minded,

432
00:34:45,033 --> 00:34:45,077
flexible at the end of the day.

433
00:34:47,129 --> 00:34:52,053
OK, well, it's sort of a standard processes around here that we know of are started

434
00:34:52,053 --> 00:34:56,699
at like a 10 year thing, kind of like the. Well, I would say if you're gonna get

435
00:34:56,699 --> 00:35:00,029
to know each other in 10 years, but if you're gonna buy the operating business and

436
00:35:00,029 --> 00:35:03,929
make the significant investment in the Capex, the clubhouse, and the grill and all

437
00:35:03,929 --> 00:35:07,659
that, I think you're gonna want a little bit longer certainty than 10 years. Well,

438
00:35:08,169 --> 00:35:13,085
that, uh, that brings me to my next question is how many of your group of investors,

439
00:35:13,889 --> 00:35:19,012
how many are you? How many people right now we're probably just 3 or 4. And what's

440
00:35:19,012 --> 00:35:24,004
the expectation of your return on your investment? Uh, very little at the end of

441
00:35:24,004 --> 00:35:27,889
the day. So, you know, this is one of the things I talked with Rick about. Like you

442
00:35:27,889 --> 00:35:30,053
don't buy a golf course because you think you're gonna make a bunch of money. They

443
00:35:30,053 --> 00:35:34,409
don't make a bunch of money as is. Um, you buy it because you're passionate about

444
00:35:34,409 --> 00:35:38,028
it and you want to reinvest that capital over and over. So you expect a return. I

445
00:35:38,028 --> 00:35:42,012
mean, I, I doubt that we break even, do a little bit better, but I would say you

446
00:35:42,012 --> 00:35:45,029
think about it probably in a similar vein that the city would is that they don't

447
00:35:45,029 --> 00:35:49,439
want to operate at a deficit, right? But I would tell you that the, the investors

448
00:35:49,439 --> 00:35:54,004
that would participate in this purchase or you could just say. Me and my family,

449
00:35:54,129 --> 00:35:58,075
whoever you want to kind of point at, our goal would be longevity and stewardship,

450
00:35:58,076 --> 00:36:01,008
and that we, we take what's already good and just make it better, and that you're

451
00:36:01,008 --> 00:36:05,081
not gonna, I mean, it's Polsom Bay at the end of the day, right? It, it, it can only

452
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:09,919
support certain price points like that the city's done a pretty good job with, in

453
00:36:09,919 --> 00:36:13,959
my opinion. Um, I think you gotta keep the annual passes pretty low like they've

454
00:36:13,959 --> 00:36:17,056
done. I think that's the key to, to have play. If it's, if it's too expensive, it

455
00:36:17,056 --> 00:36:24,929
won't do any well, it won't do very well. OK Um Part of your business is

456
00:36:24,929 --> 00:36:31,011
a, uh, uh, lease housing, rent rental housing, something like that? You mean personally?

457
00:36:31,489 --> 00:36:36,409
Yeah. Aren't you the CEO of I'm a CEO of a company that is in, yes, the, uh, not

458
00:36:36,409 --> 00:36:40,489
affordable, but it's sort of in the, the mid-level for lease housing space, correct.

459
00:36:41,939 --> 00:36:48,219
And I've seen some information that's been passed to me about uh a huge lawsuit.

460
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:54,399
Well, we have 110,000 homes. I mean, candidly, companies of our size in the S&P 500.

461
00:36:54,409 --> 00:37:00,085
This is an FTC. judgment against you. It was, it was in a judgment, to be clear.

462
00:37:01,051 --> 00:37:06,229
It was a, so what happened was during COVID, it became very popular, typically out

463
00:37:06,229 --> 00:37:10,179
of the Biden administration to sort of pick on housing groups, and we're one of the

464
00:37:10,179 --> 00:37:14,083
largest in our sector and so very, very early stages we started to get sort of picked

465
00:37:14,083 --> 00:37:19,003
on by different agencies. I, I can't speak publicly about things like that, but I

466
00:37:19,003 --> 00:37:24,025
will tell you, uh, just given that it's a public business. We have had to deal from

467
00:37:24,025 --> 00:37:28,689
time to time with government intervention on some things, and in that particular

468
00:37:28,689 --> 00:37:33,689
instance we really with our counsel of our lawyers and everybody else, we agreed

469
00:37:33,689 --> 00:37:37,489
that the easiest format would be to settle, admit no wrongdoing in Vermont, otherwise

470
00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:41,001
you've been tied up for years and hundreds of millions of dollars in the court. Well

471
00:37:41,001 --> 00:37:48,003
this is from what I read this is about your business practices, part of this. I'm

472
00:37:48,003 --> 00:37:50,409
sorry, I'm not following, I'm not following your line of questions. Well, that's

473
00:37:50,409 --> 00:37:55,078
just, that's just what I read. That's the word, you know, um, so did you settle?

474
00:37:56,639 --> 00:38:01,479
I think you read it correct. Like we did settle, yeah, we settled, but admit no wrongdoing.

475
00:38:01,081 --> 00:38:06,027
It's clear, clear day in the, in the filing, yeah, which is OK. Um,

476
00:38:09,005 --> 00:38:09,077
That's it for now.

477
00:38:12,004 --> 00:38:16,036
I, I guess what I'd like to ask is, uh, you know, just, just a minute ago you mentioned

478
00:38:16,036 --> 00:38:21,051
that, uh, you'd approached, uh, Cameron about taking this thing private. I'd approach,

479
00:38:21,949 --> 00:38:24,084
can I be clear about that? I talked to Cameron a couple of years ago about, do you

480
00:38:24,084 --> 00:38:27,084
think the city would ever entertain an idea where this could be held under private

481
00:38:27,084 --> 00:38:34,639
ownership? Well, in, in your, uh, presentation, you said that, uh, you have no intentions

482
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:40,012
of making it private. I'm, I'm just willing, I'm just wondering if you're willing

483
00:38:40,012 --> 00:38:44,979
to make guarantees. It'll never go private. Yeah, no problem. I have no interest

484
00:38:44,979 --> 00:38:49,009
in making this a private golf course, and you, and you will make the guarantees.

485
00:38:49,469 --> 00:38:52,036
I think it'd be part of what we agreed to with the city if we could get to that point.

486
00:38:52,429 --> 00:38:53,969
Yeah, no problem. Good question.

487
00:38:56,489 --> 00:39:01,085
Thank you for coming this afternoon. Um, I, I've got, I think, a bunch of the questions

488
00:39:01,085 --> 00:39:07,459
that I had written down ahead of time and touched on, but I am kind of curious about

489
00:39:07,459 --> 00:39:14,689
your strategy for bunkers, you know, what your vision is and over what period of

490
00:39:14,689 --> 00:39:20,005
time frame? It is a great question, and I'll tell you I don't have it completely

491
00:39:20,059 --> 00:39:23,669
thought through because to the earlier point we haven't been on site and done a bunch

492
00:39:23,669 --> 00:39:28,079
of diligence. I've just, a lot of my information is, um, in part hearsay and talking

493
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:32,085
to folks. I know that there's a little bit of capex that needs to go into bunkers.

494
00:39:33,189 --> 00:39:36,031
I know bunkers have been the topic of conversation. I've seen it in the articles

495
00:39:36,031 --> 00:39:40,939
and different conversations, but what I think would be really cool. And again, I

496
00:39:40,939 --> 00:39:44,399
want to be really clear, guys, the energy around this needs to be positive and, and,

497
00:39:44,054 --> 00:39:48,389
and forward for the town. If we want just more of the same, it could be the same.

498
00:39:48,659 --> 00:39:52,086
Like I, I got no problem signing up for just being a patron and playing golf the

499
00:39:52,086 --> 00:39:56,008
rest of my life out here in the summers. That's fine. But I think with a little ingenuity,

500
00:39:57,001 --> 00:40:01,056
um, the right partnership, especially on bunkers, you gotta get. I think what's been

501
00:40:01,056 --> 00:40:05,001
hard about it now is you had a general manager, I believe, and you know, still sort

502
00:40:05,001 --> 00:40:09,729
of city led right at the end of the day, and I think you gotta probably think a little

503
00:40:09,729 --> 00:40:12,689
outside of the box and bring in a partner that's a little passionate around a restaurant

504
00:40:12,689 --> 00:40:16,969
concept there that could serve both the golf and then also have some viability during

505
00:40:16,969 --> 00:40:20,409
the winter months. I don't need to tell you guys, you know the difference in population

506
00:40:20,409 --> 00:40:24,085
change here from, you know, fall to spring. Um, so something that's sustainable,

507
00:40:25,149 --> 00:40:28,051
um, as I've talked about this idea with a few friends and people in town, that's

508
00:40:28,051 --> 00:40:32,055
the first thing they ask me is how do we get that to be like a spot that we can all

509
00:40:32,055 --> 00:40:35,699
go to and everybody enjoy. Candidly, the bowling alley does a great job with this,

510
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:39,729
with the food and sort of, you know, they get sort of consistent customer base there.

511
00:40:40,149 --> 00:40:43,032
Um, I don't know what the right answer is, but I think partnership's gonna matter

512
00:40:43,032 --> 00:40:46,087
there at the end of the day, and I think you've got to create the space to make it

513
00:40:46,087 --> 00:40:52,959
a little bit more inviting as well. So following up, the Capex, what, I mean, help

514
00:40:52,959 --> 00:40:58,056
me understand, what are you thinking about, just kind of gut feel on the investment

515
00:40:58,959 --> 00:41:03,076
required for bunkers to get it off the ground because we have in the past, we've

516
00:41:03,076 --> 00:41:10,919
leased. Um, in years past, uh, bunkers to outside parties, it

517
00:41:10,919 --> 00:41:18,054
has been not the most successful operation, so. If if the private entity is going

518
00:41:18,054 --> 00:41:24,139
to take it over, what kind of a major investment or investment is required? It sounds

519
00:41:24,139 --> 00:41:27,139
like there's just some basic things like in the kitchen and the chiller. There's

520
00:41:27,139 --> 00:41:30,169
a few things that have to be updated just so that it can be a functioning kitchen

521
00:41:30,169 --> 00:41:33,055
the right way, as I understood it. I don't know that. I know there's a there's a

522
00:41:33,055 --> 00:41:36,989
disparity between, I think they don't keep a normal liquor license, is that right,

523
00:41:37,689 --> 00:41:42,027
Ed, today there's something we have a beer and wine beer and wine, but there's, there's,

524
00:41:42,031 --> 00:41:45,055
so there's some, you know, there's some work to do there probably to be in compliance.

525
00:41:45,087 --> 00:41:51,029
I also think it needs to be an inviting space. To be fair, I mean, it, it's, it's

526
00:41:51,029 --> 00:41:55,057
OK. I think it could be better. I think you could open up views that look outside.

527
00:41:55,629 --> 00:41:59,029
I think you could expand the patio capability as I mentioned before. I think you

528
00:41:59,029 --> 00:42:04,009
could activate the space downstairs, you know, sort of below the patio. I think there's

529
00:42:04,009 --> 00:42:07,075
some things you could do there that would sort of. Um, freshen it up and and create

530
00:42:07,075 --> 00:42:13,005
a little bit better ambience. And so this would be probably one of the top priorities.

531
00:42:13,031 --> 00:42:16,035
I think it's one of the first things you have to do. I, I put in the deck in the

532
00:42:16,035 --> 00:42:19,075
near term, I think you got to address the grill and I think you got to do a few things

533
00:42:19,075 --> 00:42:24,229
in the clubhouse to make it a little bit more inviting to the public. I've got one

534
00:42:24,229 --> 00:42:30,027
other question for you. Um, going through the, the proposal is you talk about corporate

535
00:42:30,027 --> 00:42:33,939
outings. Help me understand what that means. Just some ideas. I mean, we've had a

536
00:42:33,939 --> 00:42:36,709
couple of ideas like could we hold fundraisers, you know, could you do some night

537
00:42:36,709 --> 00:42:39,055
golf a couple of times in the summer where you raise some money and, you know, and

538
00:42:39,055 --> 00:42:43,062
do some things that are fun for the town and. Just try to, try to engage the community

539
00:42:43,062 --> 00:42:47,006
in a different way with the golf course. I'm sure the city is fairly limited both

540
00:42:47,006 --> 00:42:50,037
in their insurance policies and things that they can and can't do with the use of

541
00:42:50,037 --> 00:42:53,959
the course. I think under private ownership you could probably do a few more things.

542
00:42:54,949 --> 00:42:59,469
Yeah, just it's, it's, it's, I'm not talking about anything that's. You know, too

543
00:42:59,469 --> 00:43:04,149
far fetched. So it's, so it's not bringing in more tournaments than and closing.

544
00:43:04,229 --> 00:43:06,669
No, I haven't thought, no, I wouldn't think so. It sounds like you guys have a pretty

545
00:43:06,669 --> 00:43:10,029
robust schedule the way the golf course is set up today. I think the junior program's

546
00:43:10,029 --> 00:43:14,007
terrific. I think the, I think the pro shop does a great job. I don't think you want

547
00:43:14,007 --> 00:43:16,429
to touch that stuff. You just want to make it, you just want to enhance it just a

548
00:43:16,429 --> 00:43:21,979
little bit. 11 last question. The old nine. What's your vision for that? It's a great

549
00:43:21,979 --> 00:43:25,469
question. I, I don't know. I don't know the answer. I think it, it's a great course.

550
00:43:25,629 --> 00:43:29,949
People love it. Um, I love the, I prefer the 18 hole personally. I think the 18 hole

551
00:43:29,949 --> 00:43:33,083
course is great. Um, I think there's things you could do with it over time, but again,

552
00:43:33,087 --> 00:43:37,034
I think all of that, that's why you do a lease is subject to anything you wanna do.

553
00:43:37,389 --> 00:43:41,659
You gotta come before the city if you got other ideas. And, and by the way, as careful

554
00:43:41,659 --> 00:43:45,005
as I want to be in the approach here, I mean that in all sincerity. I don't think

555
00:43:45,005 --> 00:43:48,939
you should show up and suggest a ton of change out of the gate on any of this stuff.

556
00:43:49,006 --> 00:43:52,379
I think you got to show good stewardship for a couple of years, and then as you get

557
00:43:52,379 --> 00:43:56,419
smarter around what helps the golf course versus what hurts it, uh, you could come.

558
00:43:56,005 --> 00:44:00,179
I know for a fact, based on just sort of my background and the types of partners

559
00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:03,689
I have, that we can come up with some fun ideas to present to the town if people

560
00:44:03,689 --> 00:44:08,379
want to go there. If they don't stay exactly how it is forever. It's fine. That's

561
00:44:08,379 --> 00:44:09,026
how I feel about it at least.

562
00:44:12,008 --> 00:44:17,062
You mentioned that, excuse me, that you weren't really interested in an ROI. No,

563
00:44:17,669 --> 00:44:21,229
no, no, I definitely want to break even, make a little bit of money if you can, but

564
00:44:21,229 --> 00:44:24,669
I, I don't think you buy golf courses just as a rule of thumb. I've looked at a lot

565
00:44:24,669 --> 00:44:27,075
of them because they're moneymakers. They generally aren't. They really genuinely

566
00:44:27,075 --> 00:44:31,629
aren't. Yeah, I, I, I can put my hand on my heart and say the only reason I'm here

567
00:44:31,629 --> 00:44:34,079
today, even going through this process, because I'm just passionate about Polson.

568
00:44:35,003 --> 00:44:38,003
I love the golf course, all the memories I've had on it, and I think it could be

569
00:44:38,003 --> 00:44:39,059
better. It's that simple.

570
00:44:43,075 --> 00:44:45,058
Good. Any follow up?

571
00:44:47,659 --> 00:44:52,139
Yeah, I'd just like to one, thank you for your proposal and thank you for all the

572
00:44:52,139 --> 00:44:57,002
good things you had to say about the course and our town. Um, I think we all agree

573
00:44:57,002 --> 00:45:03,459
on that. Um, I guess my. My feeling, and I think I speak for a lot of the community

574
00:45:03,459 --> 00:45:10,002
here is We like it like it is, we know we can make some improvements, but if we wanted

575
00:45:10,002 --> 00:45:15,086
all the luxuries and all the amenities, we could go to Whitefish, we could go anywhere

576
00:45:15,086 --> 00:45:23,028
else, but we choose to stay here. And to be fair, you're enjoying a golf course as

577
00:45:23,028 --> 00:45:30,949
it is because of Cameron and Pat. Um, yes, it's the city golf course, but they're

578
00:45:30,949 --> 00:45:37,034
the ones that make it what it is, and so I think it needs to be. Understood that

579
00:45:37,058 --> 00:45:44,031
the city is not making it great. Well, I, I'm not sure I totally understand the last

580
00:45:44,031 --> 00:45:46,077
part, but I want to be really clear. I thought I said this at the beginning. I think

581
00:45:46,949 --> 00:45:50,079
both Cameron and Pat have done a wonderful job. Yeah, they have. Yeah, I think we're

582
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,081
on the same page there, so I just want to make sure I'm clear. No, we are OK, right.

583
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,006
You know, I'm.

584
00:45:59,001 --> 00:46:06,001
I'm done. Um, so I just wanna go one back one more time. So, where you've got investors

585
00:46:06,001 --> 00:46:09,025
in this, right? Yeah, I mean we could do it ourselves, but we could bring in a few

586
00:46:09,025 --> 00:46:12,729
families that all care about the town, and there's a lot of ways that we could, we

587
00:46:12,729 --> 00:46:17,000
could do this. Uh, it kind of clarify to me, so I'm, I'm trying to figure out how

588
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,209
do you make money. How, how do you put money in your pocket when we have the enterprise

589
00:46:22,209 --> 00:46:27,085
fund and the way the situation now. Uh, can you be a little more descriptive in your

590
00:46:27,085 --> 00:46:31,649
question? I'm sorry, I'm not, so at the end of the line, OK, so, OK, let's go back

591
00:46:31,649 --> 00:46:39,459
to this thing. So you've got, uh, you're proposing a 99 year lease. OK. And the

592
00:46:39,459 --> 00:46:45,719
99 year lease is basically. I'm sure Rick could tell you that's called a purchase.

593
00:46:46,689 --> 00:46:50,729
It's the same thing. Whatever you want to call it, we can structure it however makes

594
00:46:50,729 --> 00:46:56,729
the 99 year lease is a long time, so you're going to pay into it $50,000 a year for

595
00:46:56,729 --> 00:47:04,689
10 years, nothing after that. So, the city gets the money for 10 years, but after

596
00:47:04,689 --> 00:47:09,199
that, there's no money coming into it. Well, I think you have to, again, I want to

597
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,439
be really clear. I said this at the beginning. This is not a, like a concrete proposal

598
00:47:13,439 --> 00:47:17,002
yet. This is a proposal for discussion. The only thing we have before us is this.

599
00:47:17,139 --> 00:47:21,026
Yeah, I'd be open to all feedback on the structure we're doing this, yeah. Kind of

600
00:47:21,026 --> 00:47:28,003
clarify some stuff for ourselves. So the proposal, the way you put it out, there's

601
00:47:28,003 --> 00:47:34,739
no inflation adjustments, there's no revenue sharing, there's no reevaluation. The

602
00:47:34,739 --> 00:47:41,028
idea would be, you know, a fair market rent reset, lease reset after probably 5 years,

603
00:47:41,083 --> 00:47:48,919
uh, uh, and, and then an escalation cost for, uh, for a CPI. Um, I, I just don't,

604
00:47:49,004 --> 00:47:53,004
I don't see it in the proposal, but, and maybe that was something, you know, they

605
00:47:53,004 --> 00:47:56,059
have for I think we'd be open to all feedback. I think you got to be cognizant of

606
00:47:56,059 --> 00:48:00,032
a couple of things because, right, it's not all sunshine and rainbows on the private

607
00:48:00,032 --> 00:48:03,719
side either because we're going to have to get insurance policies and other things

608
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,008
put in place that now have carried by the city, correct? I would assume on that property.

609
00:48:07,879 --> 00:48:11,959
So your expense line items are going to grow as well, right, as the operator, so

610
00:48:11,959 --> 00:48:15,087
you're going to pick up the ongoing run rate of expenses. And I think the business

611
00:48:15,087 --> 00:48:19,079
probably has the best I can understand is somewhere between 1 million or 2 million

612
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:23,005
bucks of free cash flow that you have to have in it just to operate it, right? I

613
00:48:23,005 --> 00:48:27,078
think it does a little over $2.5 million in revenue and best as I can tell with the

614
00:48:27,078 --> 00:48:32,027
numbers, it nets about $2,000,000 a year if you kind of go back and straight line

615
00:48:32,027 --> 00:48:34,949
it over a number of years. It's had some years of retired. It's had some years where

616
00:48:34,949 --> 00:48:38,059
it's lower. Uh, it probably has a lot to do with this gentleman's question on what

617
00:48:38,059 --> 00:48:42,149
the grill's doing long term. I think you're challenged, and by the way, if I wasn't

618
00:48:42,149 --> 00:48:45,189
standing here if somebody else was standing here, I would say this to the city as

619
00:48:45,189 --> 00:48:49,629
an advisor or as a golf advisory board, if you decide to go down the path of bringing

620
00:48:49,629 --> 00:48:53,009
in a private partner to help operate the golf course, whether it's me or anyone else.

621
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:57,699
That if somebody's gonna put in a significant amount of capex into the facilities

622
00:48:57,008 --> 00:49:01,439
and into the golf course, they're gonna want a greater certainty or line of sight

623
00:49:01,006 --> 00:49:05,028
on what that structure is. So if it's resetting every 5 years, right, and you can

624
00:49:05,028 --> 00:49:09,000
do some inflation adjusted CPI stuff. I, I hear you on that, Larry. Like if there's,

625
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:11,008
there's a reason to sort of structure it that way, you could do that. You can put

626
00:49:11,008 --> 00:49:14,919
a little bit of that in. And I think honestly, and I, I think I've been pretty clear

627
00:49:14,919 --> 00:49:18,149
about this with Ed and with both mayors, like this needs to be a win-win for the

628
00:49:18,149 --> 00:49:22,919
town. Uh, I think that's why the suggestion of paying a million dollars over a period

629
00:49:22,919 --> 00:49:27,031
of time is, is probably 2x what a golf course like this would sell for in an open

630
00:49:27,031 --> 00:49:30,959
marketplace today. And so I was trying to do something that actually kept the town

631
00:49:30,959 --> 00:49:36,032
in as a partner a little bit longer. OK, well, you kind of look at it, I, I, I have

632
00:49:36,032 --> 00:49:41,051
to say, you know, your family's been great for the community. I, I admire the family

633
00:49:41,051 --> 00:49:49,002
and, and things like that, um. It, you have to, from your side. We look at

634
00:49:49,002 --> 00:49:54,459
each other every day. We have numerous people sitting back there, all volunteers

635
00:49:54,459 --> 00:49:58,086
for you. If we're going down the fairway, we pick up a stick and put it someplace

636
00:49:58,086 --> 00:50:03,739
else. We volunteer to do this. We try to do the best we can because this is our golf

637
00:50:03,739 --> 00:50:10,005
course and we have a passion for it. So we, versus uh you, I mean, out of the area

638
00:50:10,005 --> 00:50:15,139
person comes up a little bit during the year, we have to look at each other in the

639
00:50:15,139 --> 00:50:20,012
face every day. So if we're screwing up, I mean, I'm looking over and I'm getting

640
00:50:20,012 --> 00:50:27,219
from them. So, just to tell you how I feel that. Is that we are, have a little bit

641
00:50:27,219 --> 00:50:31,939
different perspective just the way it is because you're considered an outsider, but

642
00:50:31,939 --> 00:50:36,057
your family has done a lot of good stuff for the community. That's one way to think

643
00:50:36,057 --> 00:50:44,056
about it. One last thing, um. We as the board,

644
00:50:45,007 --> 00:50:48,087
you know, see the revenue reports every month, and we see the expenditures and we

645
00:50:48,087 --> 00:50:55,689
see the budgets and so on and so on. So, um, that does a fabulous job with getting

646
00:50:55,689 --> 00:51:03,031
things done. I know there's things that need to be improved on, but I, I see a proposal

647
00:51:03,031 --> 00:51:09,239
from private enterprise. And if there's any extra money, you're going to put it in

648
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:15,129
your pocket. And I think as a board, we need to protect the city because every dollar

649
00:51:15,059 --> 00:51:21,076
that leaves town is a dollar that's not going on the golf course. So That's the way

650
00:51:21,076 --> 00:51:26,979
I look at it. I'm sorry. It's the way it is. Anybody else follow up? Yeah, I'm.

651
00:51:28,989 --> 00:51:34,027
I'm sure those are good questions, I've got here. I'm sorry, what? So open it up

652
00:51:34,027 --> 00:51:39,699
to the public for comments if there's any, I think you've got one more, yeah, one

653
00:51:39,699 --> 00:51:45,006
more thing. Hold on, I've got a question for Ed, um. This was an unsolicited proposals.

654
00:51:46,489 --> 00:51:54,084
I understand. Is the city thinking about going with a, a solicitor proposal broader,

655
00:51:55,032 --> 00:52:00,239
you know, that's a very good question. Um, as we talked about before, we have a group

656
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:07,239
that's been actively working on a lease proposal, right? So the city commission is

657
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:14,053
aware of that, um. With a second proposal, I, I think that the decision that that

658
00:52:14,053 --> 00:52:21,006
this leads the city commission to is. If they are interested in leasing the property.

659
00:52:22,051 --> 00:52:28,055
Then probably their best next step is a request for proposal process where we put

660
00:52:28,055 --> 00:52:36,011
out an RFP and we let folks submit a refined proposal back to the city and we

661
00:52:36,011 --> 00:52:42,989
go through, uh, an evaluation process, uh, scoring those proposals and bringing those

662
00:52:42,989 --> 00:52:49,084
proposals back to the city commission. Um, is it, do you, do you envision the The

663
00:52:49,084 --> 00:52:56,000
advice of the golf advisory board being part of that of putting the proposal together,

664
00:52:56,129 --> 00:53:00,077
putting the RFP together as well as evaluating the RFP, absolutely, I would think

665
00:53:00,077 --> 00:53:06,489
that would be a, given the, the, the scope of what this board has done in the past,

666
00:53:06,057 --> 00:53:11,037
I think that would be an appropriate, uh, measure for the, for the board to be involved

667
00:53:11,037 --> 00:53:17,083
in, absolutely. Would you also engage public comment in your decision? So we always

668
00:53:17,083 --> 00:53:21,079
engage public comment. I mean, that's why we have the public here today in terms

669
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:29,052
of, uh, yeah, so you know the way a process like that might look is that. You would

670
00:53:29,052 --> 00:53:34,001
work, we would work with the golf advisory board. We put together a request for proposal.

671
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:39,919
We would pre-decide like how many points we're gonna be awarded for different items

672
00:53:39,919 --> 00:53:45,031
and, and craft a proposal that then gets put out, advertised, similar to. How we

673
00:53:45,031 --> 00:53:49,959
do all of our construction, major construction projects. The RFP would come back,

674
00:53:50,189 --> 00:53:56,025
we would have a group then, uh, folks that would be selected to, to score the RFP,

675
00:53:56,059 --> 00:54:02,012
um, that would then result in a recommendation to the city commission. And then the

676
00:54:02,012 --> 00:54:06,879
city commission can make whatever decision they want to make. If for some reason,

677
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:12,052
um, they disagree with that, they could reject all of the proposals. I mean, I mean,

678
00:54:12,006 --> 00:54:17,479
it's ultimately it's their decision, uh, as the governing body for the for the city

679
00:54:17,479 --> 00:54:23,054
of Folsom, um, but that, that tends to be a process, you know, before. Mr. Tanner's

680
00:54:23,054 --> 00:54:27,075
proposal, we had one group that was interested that had ever said, hey, we'd like

681
00:54:27,075 --> 00:54:32,149
to talk with you about doing that. Once you get more than one group and you get into

682
00:54:32,149 --> 00:54:38,159
where If the city commission wants to lease the golf course to where you're choosing,

683
00:54:38,006 --> 00:54:44,076
um, then uh, the best choosing is really to do a request for proposal process and,

684
00:54:44,939 --> 00:54:50,199
and involve people in it, both decision makers and advisors as, as well as the public.

685
00:54:51,008 --> 00:54:56,699
Yeah, may, may I ask a question? Is this an appropriate time for me to ask a question?

686
00:54:57,012 --> 00:55:04,054
So I'm on the city commission, and I am the first to admit that I sometimes miss.

687
00:55:06,078 --> 00:55:10,054
I'm not on the horse when it's walking through the commission. I missed the point,

688
00:55:10,058 --> 00:55:18,007
but I had never heard. That the previous mayor had been involved in this. The first

689
00:55:18,007 --> 00:55:24,061
time I heard of this, the first time that I recall hearing of this proposal was at

690
00:55:24,061 --> 00:55:30,087
the previous city commission meeting when we had to, we were asked to approve these

691
00:55:30,087 --> 00:55:37,209
workshops on this date with this really quick turnaround. So I am, my question is,

692
00:55:37,429 --> 00:55:45,084
did I miss. I'm being informed that another proposal was being discussed,

693
00:55:46,003 --> 00:55:50,639
that you and the second one was being discussed, that you and the previous mayor,

694
00:55:51,179 --> 00:55:56,062
no, you did not because we didn't have a proposal until. Did you inform the city

695
00:55:56,062 --> 00:56:02,032
commission that a second proposal that that I can't remember, are you Mr. Tanner

696
00:56:02,032 --> 00:56:06,989
or Mr. Dallas or Mr. Dallas, Mr. Tanner, whatever you want Dallas.

697
00:56:09,003 --> 00:56:14,036
Did you inform the commission? I mean, was I sleeping on the job, or did you let

698
00:56:14,036 --> 00:56:19,084
the commission know that this was coming up? Just, just that previous one. The previous

699
00:56:19,084 --> 00:56:25,419
meeting was the first time, and we had to schedule the meeting this quickly because,

700
00:56:25,449 --> 00:56:30,933
because Mr. Tanner was going to be in town. And, and we wanted to go ahead and kick

701
00:56:30,933 --> 00:56:35,663
the beat, get the, get the topic out publicly. This was his opportunity to be in

702
00:56:35,663 --> 00:56:40,322
town for the, for the only period, for some period of time. And so we said, well,

703
00:56:40,693 --> 00:56:44,732
let's go ahead and do it so we can start the conversation publicly. And that's why

704
00:56:44,732 --> 00:56:49,825
we did that. This question then would be for me as an individual. Commissioner, not

705
00:56:49,825 --> 00:56:53,936
as not speaking for the commission. I want to be real clear there in both places.

706
00:56:54,145 --> 00:56:58,825
I was speaking as an individual commissioner, not speaking for the commission, but

707
00:56:58,825 --> 00:57:03,466
it seems to me as I looked at your proposal that you were hoping to have this complete

708
00:57:03,466 --> 00:57:08,345
by June 2026. I just put a date out just saying, guys, I want to be really clear

709
00:57:08,345 --> 00:57:12,706
about something. This thing took legs on like I would have never expected. Yeah,

710
00:57:12,885 --> 00:57:17,004
so do you do that a lot, like just put a date out? No, no, no, I just thought if,

711
00:57:17,003 --> 00:57:21,058
if there were an opportunity after having talked to the city manager and also the

712
00:57:21,058 --> 00:57:26,169
mayor, that we would love to work over the next 4 or 5 months to come to an agreement.

713
00:57:26,419 --> 00:57:27,939
Super, thank you. No problem.

714
00:57:30,051 --> 00:57:34,026
So I would say Dave, to your question, if there's nothing else on the board and you

715
00:57:34,026 --> 00:57:40,037
want to take some public comment, that's fine over here, yeah, I, I wanna appreciate.

716
00:57:41,169 --> 00:57:47,939
Thank you. You're a nice guy. So, uh, state your name. I will. I took the liberty

717
00:57:47,939 --> 00:57:52,007
of writing some my thoughts down and hopefully I can distribute you later on so you

718
00:57:52,007 --> 00:57:55,079
can see where I'm coming from. I've been a golfer for over 55 years and I know I

719
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:57,033
don't look that old. Tony Fisher.

720
00:58:01,129 --> 00:58:08,008
But I feel like I'm in court. 38185 Ponarillo Drive, 2490017. That can attest, hack

721
00:58:08,008 --> 00:58:15,002
golfer. But, you know, uh, in that 55 years I've been playing golf, I've been city

722
00:58:15,002 --> 00:58:21,003
courses, private clubs, the whole spectrum. And what I guess what kind of concerned

723
00:58:21,003 --> 00:58:25,079
me, and, and he's a very successful businessman, and I'm sure a lot of you all are

724
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:26,083
very successful businessmen.

725
00:58:28,129 --> 00:58:34,086
My simple mind says, when you're in business, you gotta make a profit. You just don't

726
00:58:34,086 --> 00:58:40,077
do capital expenditures for the good of it. And in the golf course, where's your

727
00:58:40,077 --> 00:58:48,035
capital come from? Comes from these people's fees. Our pass holders is his capital

728
00:58:48,035 --> 00:58:53,669
investment. So I think he has a lot of wonderful ideas here. But it's going to be

729
00:58:53,669 --> 00:58:58,086
us pass holders who are on the hook for that capital investment. And the beauty of

730
00:58:58,086 --> 00:59:02,649
playing Paulson right now, as I think what you pointed out, and he pointed it out,

731
00:59:02,939 --> 00:59:08,219
is that it's affordable. You know, could it be a glamorous, as he said in his other

732
00:59:08,219 --> 00:59:14,179
thing, a destination golf course? You bet it can. You know, if I wanna have Pat,

733
00:59:14,003 --> 00:59:18,058
you know, cut the greens, double roll them, or roll them and double cut them, you

734
00:59:18,058 --> 00:59:21,057
can make those greens as tough as you want to make them, and people will be pulling

735
00:59:21,057 --> 00:59:26,029
their hair out. But I don't know if that's the intent. The intent is for the average

736
00:59:26,029 --> 00:59:31,077
golfer to go out there and enjoy it, and I hope that's kind of what you do. I did

737
00:59:31,077 --> 00:59:35,649
put some little bullets in here that if you're seriously thinking about such things

738
00:59:35,649 --> 00:59:40,889
as 99 year leases from my federal side when I used to work in contracts, I strongly

739
00:59:40,889 --> 00:59:45,003
suggest that you have what we used to call a death bullet. Which basically in the

740
00:59:45,003 --> 00:59:50,419
clause of the contract says, we can terminate this contract at any time for the convenience

741
00:59:50,419 --> 00:59:56,056
of the city of Polson. And without that, there is nothing that overhangs these guys

742
00:59:56,939 --> 01:00:02,939
that They can do what they want. Second of all, and I hope the Finley Point ninja

743
01:00:02,939 --> 01:00:10,003
grizzly doesn't eat you on your way home, but should he leave? And we don't have

744
01:00:10,003 --> 01:00:15,629
no reassurance or idea who the next group of partners coming in is. And maybe they're

745
01:00:15,629 --> 01:00:21,007
not golfers, and maybe they want to go live in Hawaii. And so the question to you

746
01:00:21,007 --> 01:00:26,669
is, will you have a mechanism by which you can reassume the golf course if that all

747
01:00:26,669 --> 01:00:30,639
of a sudden they say, we default, we're out of here. Are you going to hold some sort

748
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:34,919
of bond over their heads saying we need a year's worth of operating capital you put

749
01:00:34,919 --> 01:00:40,008
into a bond structure so that if you dodge and head out the door, we have the resources

750
01:00:40,008 --> 01:00:47,075
to reopen it. And then my last thing is, you know, Right now, if I got a complaint,

751
01:00:48,189 --> 01:00:52,033
I know Pat and I know Cameron, and I know John, I can walk in here and say, hey guys.

752
01:00:54,006 --> 01:00:58,035
And I've never had an issue with the overall issue with him, but if it goes to a

753
01:00:58,035 --> 01:01:03,035
private sector, which I've had experience with, for the most part, the membership

754
01:01:03,035 --> 01:01:09,012
didn't have any say whatsoever. And so if you're going to do this, you know, another

755
01:01:09,012 --> 01:01:13,639
clause in the contract is that they should be liable to a satisfaction survey of

756
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:20,034
the pass holders in terms of fees, playability, friendlyship, all that sort of stuff

757
01:01:20,034 --> 01:01:25,399
is the only way to protect it. And I say that because just like Glacier Park is a

758
01:01:25,399 --> 01:01:31,079
park that belongs to all of us. Folsom Bay Golf Course is a park in a sense, that

759
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:36,033
belongs to all of us. So I hear little conversations going on like, well, the city

760
01:01:36,033 --> 01:01:41,033
council do this or do that. I would just remind people that it belongs to the citizens

761
01:01:41,033 --> 01:01:47,189
of Polson. And that that should be a thought that should prevail over everything

762
01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:52,001
is what we are doing in the best interest of the citizens of Holson, and it may very

763
01:01:52,001 --> 01:01:56,025
well be. I'm not educated enough in business and whatnot to say it is or not, but

764
01:01:56,025 --> 01:02:00,929
there's got to be some protections built in there so that we don't lose this incredible

765
01:02:00,929 --> 01:02:03,027
resource that we have right now. Thank you. Thank you again.

766
01:02:09,083 --> 01:02:10,159
Some of that there something.

767
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:18,969
I have a comment. Go ahead. Do I need to come up there? Yes, please. And the reason

768
01:02:18,969 --> 01:02:23,025
is because that microphone puts it straight into the recording. It's not because

769
01:02:23,025 --> 01:02:27,489
we're trying to disadvantage folks or whatever. It just helps us keep a good record

770
01:02:27,489 --> 01:02:31,031
of of the you know. Could you limit it to 3 minutes, please.

771
01:02:34,001 --> 01:02:41,087
Janice Donovan, 119 Eagle Drive in Polson. I play golf a little, but I love the

772
01:02:41,087 --> 01:02:48,439
course a lot and I love this town tremendously. And my comment here is,

773
01:02:48,075 --> 01:02:52,075
who makes this final decision? And speaking of a microphone, I couldn't hear a lot

774
01:02:52,075 --> 01:02:58,149
of what you were saying because you speak away from the microphone. So my question

775
01:02:58,149 --> 01:03:04,239
is, does the city council make the final decision? Does the city commissioners make

776
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:10,679
the final decision? Does Mr. Meese, do the people who live here ever get a vote or

777
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:16,919
a say so? How is this finally determined? And I want to hear all parts because I

778
01:03:16,919 --> 01:03:22,012
know there was a second proposal, and I want to hear that also. But this is very

779
01:03:22,012 --> 01:03:27,239
important to everybody that lives here, and you may be the best deal. And you may

780
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:32,086
not be, but we have to figure out the best deal for us because we're gonna be here.

781
01:03:33,959 --> 01:03:34,459
Thank you.

782
01:03:40,083 --> 01:03:45,078
Somebody in front here? Did you want to ask, answer her question? Yes, please. OK.

783
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:51,052
So, who, who is? What's my answer? So, right. So, as I was saying earlier, um, The

784
01:03:51,052 --> 01:03:56,006
city commission is could you get closer to the microphone, please? Thank you. So

785
01:03:56,006 --> 01:04:01,032
the city commission is the final decision maker on anything with regard to the city

786
01:04:01,032 --> 01:04:06,179
of Tulsa, whether it's installing a water line or if you were going to make some

787
01:04:06,179 --> 01:04:10,062
kind of a lease transaction with the golf course. They're the final decision makers.

788
01:04:10,989 --> 01:04:15,059
Um, we have advisory boards. We have administrative staff that might be helpful and

789
01:04:15,059 --> 01:04:21,169
make recommendations or, or particular, uh, advice, but the actual final decision

790
01:04:21,169 --> 01:04:27,719
is made by the city commissioner. Do I need to come back up there? Yeah. Do we ever

791
01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:34,076
get a vote anywhere? As all the people. So that, I mean this, you know, like other

792
01:04:34,076 --> 01:04:38,084
issues that come before the city again, they come to the city commission. The city

793
01:04:38,084 --> 01:04:43,439
commission is the final decision maker, but there's always opportunity for public

794
01:04:43,439 --> 01:04:48,032
comment. There's always opportunity for you to speak with your ward city commissioner

795
01:04:48,479 --> 01:04:53,008
to attend city commission meetings to make written public comment and to engage in

796
01:04:53,008 --> 01:04:57,979
any of that, but we don't take in this form of government in Montana, we don't take

797
01:04:57,979 --> 01:05:05,489
like a. A citizen's poll, uh, if that's what you're asking for. Um, now, if, if I

798
01:05:05,489 --> 01:05:08,079
guess if the city commission wanted to do that, you know, maybe.

799
01:05:10,083 --> 01:05:15,006
Maybe they can call for a referendum. Um, I don't know that and I'm kind of speaking

800
01:05:15,006 --> 01:05:20,629
out of turn. I'm not trying to play city attorney here, but typically on issues like

801
01:05:20,629 --> 01:05:26,052
this, it's, it's a city commission decision and, um, and then they collect all of

802
01:05:26,052 --> 01:05:33,081
the public feedback that they can in. In order to make that decision, well, this

803
01:05:33,081 --> 01:05:38,001
is Carolyn. I'm gonna speak again to that. Yes, you do get to vote because I'm an

804
01:05:38,001 --> 01:05:45,909
elected official, so your vote is when you vote for a commissioner. And then I am,

805
01:05:46,189 --> 01:05:52,409
I'm different than Ed. Because I'm an elected official and it's my responsibility

806
01:05:52,075 --> 01:05:58,062
to listen to you and and and consider that. It doesn't mean that you can call me

807
01:05:58,062 --> 01:06:04,629
up and tell me how to vote, but it does mean that I'm responsible to listen to you.

808
01:06:04,709 --> 01:06:11,027
That's our form of government. So you have 76 commissioners and a mayor, and you

809
01:06:11,027 --> 01:06:18,001
can reach out to us any time and tell us what you think about. Pretty much anything

810
01:06:18,052 --> 01:06:26,025
and we're pretty good about listening and um. And then trying to do the very

811
01:06:26,025 --> 01:06:31,479
best as who spoke about trying to do the very best for Paulson because I think everyone

812
01:06:31,479 --> 01:06:36,012
on the commission is dedicated to that. You're gonna say something, Tracy? So another

813
01:06:36,012 --> 01:06:39,199
commissioner, another elected. I

814
01:06:42,689 --> 01:06:42,709
thank you.

815
01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:51,029
Um, I've just been so enjoying this meeting. I really enjoyed it for lots of reasons,

816
01:06:51,056 --> 01:06:58,209
uh, but I wanted to address your question also that you had, you know, we represent

817
01:06:58,209 --> 01:07:05,169
you. We represent you, so it's really important that you find out who your ward representative

818
01:07:05,169 --> 01:07:10,079
is that's on the city council, the city commission, because that is your person that

819
01:07:11,025 --> 01:07:17,209
represents you and that you have their ear and you tell them how you feel about all

820
01:07:17,209 --> 01:07:21,029
kinds of things, whether it's just this today or anything that comes up. You can

821
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:26,689
always listen to the meetings online, uh, when they're actually happening to the

822
01:07:26,689 --> 01:07:32,054
commission meetings, and you can call in. And have your voice heard there too. So

823
01:07:32,054 --> 01:07:37,629
it's really important to be active in your city government just like you are here.

824
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:42,025
Don't just get passionate about the golf course, get passionate about everything

825
01:07:42,669 --> 01:07:48,429
and call your board representative and talk to them and tell them how you feel because

826
01:07:48,439 --> 01:07:53,909
we are representing you on the council. That's what we're all about. So it's not

827
01:07:53,909 --> 01:07:59,061
just our opinion, it's, it's our words of opinion that's so important. So I've enjoyed

828
01:07:59,061 --> 01:08:03,035
seeing all you here because you're so passionate about the golf course, as we all

829
01:08:03,035 --> 01:08:10,087
are, because we just love it. And then here and meet the golf association. I haven't

830
01:08:10,087 --> 01:08:16,043
had that opportunity, but I figured out who all of you were. Uh, next time, please

831
01:08:16,043 --> 01:08:21,069
introduce yourselves so that those in the audience know who you are because you don't

832
01:08:21,069 --> 01:08:26,259
have your name tags up there, but it's really nice to know that who you are now and

833
01:08:26,259 --> 01:08:32,259
that you're, you're the golf association. Advisory board, sorry, advisory board.

834
01:08:32,299 --> 01:08:33,097
Let me get that right, the advisory board.

835
01:08:35,379 --> 01:08:43,002
So I do know Rick and now I'm getting to know Dallas Tanner, Mr. Tan,

836
01:08:43,819 --> 01:08:48,001
Mr. Tanner Dallas? OK, I'll get it right,

837
01:08:50,002 --> 01:08:57,072
but um. Uh, my question is, we have this great advisory board that cares deeply about

838
01:08:57,072 --> 01:09:04,072
the city. Golf course. And you go back years and years and years, and you've tried

839
01:09:04,072 --> 01:09:08,006
to take care of the golf course as best you can, working in the parameters that you,

840
01:09:08,068 --> 01:09:15,959
you do have. And then we have this also this family that cares deeply

841
01:09:16,005 --> 01:09:23,419
about helping the golf course. But is there a way that I wanted to ask you, that

842
01:09:23,419 --> 01:09:28,958
you would consider joining the advisory board? And helping them that way rather than

843
01:09:28,958 --> 01:09:34,999
being a private investor that comes in that way because you have ideas of improvement

844
01:09:34,999 --> 01:09:40,338
as they do and maybe you have a little bit of ways that we can as advisory board

845
01:09:40,499 --> 01:09:46,789
tap into some funds to help run a really nice public golf course so to be, you know,

846
01:09:46,838 --> 01:09:50,918
it's not like you're, you've mentioned it's not a money maker for you, at least that's

847
01:09:50,918 --> 01:09:56,087
what you're saying. But you care, but you care deeply about the course. Well, you

848
01:09:56,087 --> 01:10:01,709
also care deeply about the people of Pulsive, and this is your, this is your peeps.

849
01:10:01,759 --> 01:10:06,189
This is your group. So is there a way that we can blend both? Is there a way without

850
01:10:06,189 --> 01:10:11,075
a proposal, we can have you be part of the advisory committee, and would you guys

851
01:10:11,075 --> 01:10:17,035
entertain that? So that he can, his expertise on how to get money for different projects

852
01:10:17,589 --> 01:10:21,589
and what he's seen in other golf courses and whether you take it or not, you're part,

853
01:10:21,075 --> 01:10:25,779
he's giving you advice. He's part of the advisory board. He's giving you advice of

854
01:10:25,779 --> 01:10:29,089
maybe, hey, maybe we should do this so that when you do come back with your family

855
01:10:29,089 --> 01:10:34,056
and you golf all the time here, it just keeps. Is that something where we don't deal

856
01:10:34,056 --> 01:10:38,779
with a private group proposal group, but you're, we grab your expertise that way.

857
01:10:39,759 --> 01:10:45,052
Something to think about where we have a win-win for both. That's my question. Hey,

858
01:10:46,087 --> 01:10:51,919
can I make a comment, respond to that? Sure, so I mean I would say that's Mr. OK,

859
01:10:55,299 --> 01:10:59,016
yeah, yeah, no, that's fine. That was my question. OK, thanks so much. It was great.

860
01:10:59,056 --> 01:11:04,024
Um, here, here's what I would say is a, at a high level. I would totally encourage

861
01:11:04,419 --> 01:11:09,899
the city and the, the golf advisory board to bring an outside perspective, whether

862
01:11:09,899 --> 01:11:14,379
that were me or somebody, you know, that might offer a different think about what

863
01:11:14,379 --> 01:11:19,058
you guys want to accomplish with the golf course. If the proposal at best is an opportunity

864
01:11:19,058 --> 01:11:25,012
to start a discussion. That I think it's probably a healthy thing, um, we tend to

865
01:11:25,012 --> 01:11:28,000
grow when we stretch, right? When we get a little uncomfortable and we think about

866
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,012
things and there's no, there should be no different for how you wanna think to improve

867
01:11:32,012 --> 01:11:37,008
things here in the city. What I would say as a, as a private thinking sort of mindset

868
01:11:37,008 --> 01:11:42,052
is. Look, my encouragement, if the proposal does anything at best encourages the

869
01:11:42,052 --> 01:11:45,799
city to decide what they want to do here. If the plan is you want to keep it in the

870
01:11:45,799 --> 01:11:51,052
city forever, that's one path you can do that. And then I think to her point, you

871
01:11:51,052 --> 01:11:55,279
could start to think about ways to improve it and maybe raise capital around some

872
01:11:55,279 --> 01:11:59,399
different ideas. There's a lot of ways cities have access to do bonds and things

873
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:05,008
like that. I'd be more than willing to help any advisory board, especially this one

874
01:12:05,008 --> 01:12:09,279
place I like to call home. So if, if it were someone like me or somebody that was

875
01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:12,072
enthusiastic about, you know, the summer experience, put a couple of people on your

876
01:12:12,072 --> 01:12:17,799
advisory board. Let them zoom in remotely and, and sort of offer some. Advisor just

877
01:12:17,085 --> 01:12:22,006
just to have them on as advisors to to compare notes with the challenges you guys

878
01:12:22,006 --> 01:12:24,899
know, and I've served, I mentioned at the beginning, I served on the Maricopa County

879
01:12:24,899 --> 01:12:28,569
Flood Control Advisory Board. We had an $80 million budget for the city of Phoenix,

880
01:12:28,058 --> 01:12:31,899
and we're in charge of all the canal systems, OK? And that was, I served for two

881
01:12:31,899 --> 01:12:37,379
or three years. It's hard to get things through municipal when you want to change

882
01:12:37,379 --> 01:12:40,007
anything. It's, it's tricky. I don't know how it is here, but it was really hard

883
01:12:40,007 --> 01:12:46,419
in Phoenix, OK. So my advice to you as a fellow golfer and friend is like. Maybe

884
01:12:46,419 --> 01:12:49,939
this, if anything, spurs the debate about what you want to do with the golf course

885
01:12:49,939 --> 01:12:53,569
long term and then if there's an opportunity for a public-private partnership, then

886
01:12:53,569 --> 01:12:56,729
we go down that path and I'll sharpen my pencil and we'll come back with another

887
01:12:56,729 --> 01:13:00,005
proposal and we'll work with the board and try to figure it out. I think, I think

888
01:13:00,005 --> 01:13:04,058
at the end of the day, the best part about this meeting in my view is just the passion

889
01:13:04,058 --> 01:13:08,604
around the common area space of the golf course. I expected it. I just didn't know

890
01:13:08,604 --> 01:13:13,125
it would show up this excited this early. It's great. And, and so I, I think we ought

891
01:13:13,125 --> 01:13:17,044
to try to think through how to do some things better or in a more different sort

892
01:13:17,044 --> 01:13:20,884
of way where it can just improve the overall experience. I think to your question,

893
01:13:20,924 --> 01:13:25,325
it gets really hard when you know you have some upfront costs on some things if you

894
01:13:25,325 --> 01:13:29,325
want it to be great. That's where it puts constraints on the city, and that may be

895
01:13:29,325 --> 01:13:33,819
an unfair ask of the city, right, just given all the needs it has to meet, so. I'm

896
01:13:33,819 --> 01:13:37,339
all ears. We're here to help. We could put a couple of people around you to help

897
01:13:37,339 --> 01:13:40,005
in any way we could. We have a lot of relationships. We've been around the golf business

898
01:13:40,005 --> 01:13:43,979
a long time and, you know, a lot of people, but that's where public and private can

899
01:13:43,979 --> 01:13:44,729
be sort of tough.

900
01:13:48,052 --> 01:13:54,549
Well, I, I wanted to get just ask the question a bit, and I don't, I, I don't have

901
01:13:54,549 --> 01:14:00,052
any background or knowledge of this, but can this, can there be a city referendum?

902
01:14:00,879 --> 01:14:06,919
I think to 11 of the questions is, can there be a city referendum that votes on something

903
01:14:06,919 --> 01:14:11,079
like this moving forward. I don't know. I, I think that's a good question that we

904
01:14:11,079 --> 01:14:16,047
can put to the city attorney and we can do some research on that. The city does have

905
01:14:16,047 --> 01:14:22,066
the ability to do that in other places on other issues, um. But I don't want to get

906
01:14:22,799 --> 01:14:26,479
too far ahead of myself and say yes or no. Well, I think that's something, so you

907
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:31,075
haven't been, you have not experienced something like this where you've put it up

908
01:14:31,075 --> 01:14:36,056
for a referendum on a golf course, not on a golf course, but just on, on an issue.

909
01:14:36,072 --> 01:14:40,052
Yeah, I mean, I, for instance, you know, I've been in a community where we did a

910
01:14:40,052 --> 01:14:47,839
community referendum, um, for additional mills, uh, for the purpose of construction

911
01:14:47,839 --> 01:14:55,609
of a railroad. Railroad underpass, um. I, I've seen, I've

912
01:14:55,609 --> 01:15:03,089
seen boats taken, so it is possible it is Montana law. There's a tool. Like that

913
01:15:03,049 --> 01:15:09,209
for other things. I just don't wanna say there's absolutely a tool for this and then

914
01:15:09,209 --> 01:15:13,919
have to say there's not. I, I have seen it done in other issues and in other places,

915
01:15:15,009 --> 01:15:20,049
but we can, we can research that further. I've got notes to do that, and I can address

916
01:15:20,049 --> 01:15:26,033
part of that a little bit. The Buffalo Hills. Two of those leases in Buffalo Hills

917
01:15:26,033 --> 01:15:34,002
in Kalispell were there was a referendum. Nay, Pardon me. Nay more.

918
01:15:34,089 --> 01:15:40,045
I'm Lisa Reard. I'm city commissioner for Ward 2, and looking at this stuff, the

919
01:15:40,045 --> 01:15:47,459
city of Kalispell has held. Referendum elections for two of its Buffalo Hills leases

920
01:15:47,459 --> 01:15:54,000
in the past. The most recent one, I don't think that it did. There is a statute in,

921
01:15:54,379 --> 01:16:01,939
uh, in Chapter 7 that does call for elections for service contracts, municipal service

922
01:16:01,939 --> 01:16:08,359
contracts that are to exceed 5 years. I don't find that that necessarily applies,

923
01:16:08,045 --> 01:16:12,022
but that is something that we do need a legal, we need a legal opinion on before

924
01:16:12,022 --> 01:16:18,779
a final decision is made, so. That's to answer some of the question. Apparently it's

925
01:16:18,779 --> 01:16:23,129
been done in the past in other communities that have looked at this, so, thank you.

926
01:16:25,149 --> 01:16:25,064
The back.

927
01:16:34,669 --> 01:16:41,189
My name is Deborah Chapman. We live at 297 Montana Landing in Pulsa. My question,

928
01:16:41,379 --> 01:16:45,091
um, I would like to know, is the golf course the largest money maker for the city

929
01:16:45,091 --> 01:16:46,629
of Tulsa?

930
01:16:53,069 --> 01:16:55,024
The largest money maker. Um-hum.

931
01:16:58,319 --> 01:16:58,033
Um,

932
01:17:01,016 --> 01:17:07,729
you know, we have pretty extensive water and sewer utilities, so, so. The golf course

933
01:17:07,729 --> 01:17:14,016
is operated as an enterprise fund very under, under state law, the same as our water

934
01:17:14,016 --> 01:17:18,083
and our sewer utilities are operated, uh, as enterprise funds.

935
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:25,549
The results are different, right? And it depends on year to year what kind of capital

936
01:17:25,549 --> 01:17:30,549
projects are going on, so we try not to take on a lot of debt in any of our enterprise

937
01:17:30,549 --> 01:17:37,169
funds. So one year it might be that the golf course is doing, uh, has a, a larger.

938
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:43,085
Hesitate to use the word profit, so I'll call it reserve, um, end of the year reserve

939
01:17:44,029 --> 01:17:48,083
amount. It might be that one of the water or sewer is in a different year if they're

940
01:17:48,083 --> 01:17:53,047
per se, maybe they're building a reserve and not spending their capital so they can

941
01:17:53,047 --> 01:17:58,022
put that out in year 3 for a project. So it really just kind of depends year to year,

942
01:17:58,027 --> 01:18:03,109
but it, it's a, it's a very substantial piece of the work that we do. I mean I put

943
01:18:03,109 --> 01:18:06,709
it that way. My other question was, it seems like the golf commission was more or

944
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:12,056
less left out. The conversation, should we say with these proposals that are coming

945
01:18:12,056 --> 01:18:19,052
in and should not they be included in proposals or anything that's brought to the

946
01:18:19,052 --> 01:18:27,012
city? So that's exactly why we're here today, right? So, um, we had a proposal that

947
01:18:27,012 --> 01:18:33,002
was given to the city and we had a very narrow window to get somebody here because

948
01:18:33,002 --> 01:18:38,779
they were gonna be here. Um, and so we published a meeting so that these folks would

949
01:18:38,779 --> 01:18:43,074
have an opportunity to see the proposal, ask questions, and, and start the conversation.

950
01:18:43,819 --> 01:18:48,779
That's exactly what we did. OK. My, my only other question is, is there any way that

951
01:18:48,779 --> 01:18:55,379
we as golfers, community members, we all golf, is there any way for us to know where

952
01:18:55,379 --> 01:19:00,859
the so-called administration fees that come from the golf course, what they're used

953
01:19:00,859 --> 01:19:07,339
for in the city? Sure, the act, so I, I'm gonna go back just to, is this OK, Dave,

954
01:19:07,045 --> 01:19:12,939
if I go on down this road? Sure. So, um, I think what you're talking about is the

955
01:19:12,939 --> 01:19:18,459
administrative allocation that we do, and we could do a whole separate meeting on

956
01:19:18,459 --> 01:19:24,001
this, but I have had that conversation with this board probably 2 years ago, went

957
01:19:24,001 --> 01:19:31,609
very in depth about trying to explain where that comes from, but, um. Very I don't

958
01:19:31,609 --> 01:19:36,083
see it right now, but in a very simple basis, right? What we do as a city, not any

959
01:19:36,083 --> 01:19:43,729
different than any other, or I'll say most other cities do. Is we take those administrative

960
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:51,069
costs, um, like HR, legal, insurance, those types of things that benefit the whole

961
01:19:51,069 --> 01:19:57,379
organization. And then we allocate those costs back to all of our different units

962
01:19:57,379 --> 01:20:03,359
based on their proportion of the budget and not, not totally for the golf course.

963
01:20:04,189 --> 01:20:08,589
What's that? Not totally. Those, those administrative fees are not only used just

964
01:20:08,589 --> 01:20:13,079
for the golf course. No, no. So we're actually collecting those fees from all of

965
01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:18,099
the different departments so that we can pay for those expenditures, right? So for

966
01:20:18,099 --> 01:20:22,091
instance, if you point towards the golf course, the golf course uses my time. The

967
01:20:22,091 --> 01:20:27,629
golf course uses the city attorney's time. We spend a lot of HR time on the golf

968
01:20:27,629 --> 01:20:33,004
course. The golf course participates in all of our insurance programs. So all of

969
01:20:33,004 --> 01:20:38,064
those costs that we're absorbing in the general fund, the property tax fund if you

970
01:20:38,064 --> 01:20:44,056
will, what we do with that allocation is we make sure that our enterprise funds are

971
01:20:44,056 --> 01:20:51,006
paying their fair share and you don't have the property taxes subsidizing a business

972
01:20:51,006 --> 01:20:57,279
fund, right? Because the idea is that a water fund, a sewer fund, a golf fund, they

973
01:20:57,279 --> 01:21:02,669
should be self-supporting with their own fees and rates and schedules. And you don't,

974
01:21:02,081 --> 01:21:08,087
you don't take property taxes and then subsidize an enterprise fund. That's, that's

975
01:21:08,087 --> 01:21:14,089
the wrong way for the money to flow, right? So that's, so that's not much different

976
01:21:14,089 --> 01:21:17,089
than a lot of, I would say probably a lot of businesses do the same thing. You group

977
01:21:17,089 --> 01:21:23,008
up your administrative costs and then every department has a share of those costs,

978
01:21:23,089 --> 01:21:28,035
whether they're general fund or enterprise fund or special revenue fund. Based on

979
01:21:28,035 --> 01:21:34,095
how big a burden they represent to the overall organization and typically one of

980
01:21:34,095 --> 01:21:40,035
the ways you do that is just by their proportion of budget. So how big is their budget

981
01:21:40,549 --> 01:21:45,819
compared to the overall total city? It just seems like, you know, over the years

982
01:21:45,819 --> 01:21:52,014
we've been here for 23 years, so we've watched this ad administrative fee grow. Yeah,

983
01:21:52,359 --> 01:21:57,062
can I answer that? Can I answer that? So, um, that's a very good point. When I came

984
01:21:57,062 --> 01:22:05,012
to the city, the administrative fee for the golf course was $30,000. It

985
01:22:05,012 --> 01:22:12,359
was a totally made up number. It, it covered, it didn't cover nearly any of the cost,

986
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:17,085
it's proportional rate of the cost that it was taking from the general fund. It was

987
01:22:17,085 --> 01:22:23,279
simply a number that somebody somewhere in history said they liked the number 30,000,

988
01:22:23,006 --> 01:22:28,799
so they stuck it in there and um that was the number that the city was playing with.

989
01:22:28,959 --> 01:22:35,041
So what that actually meant was. When we now I think the general, the uh administrative

990
01:22:35,041 --> 01:22:41,979
cost allocation is about 78. Does that sound right 998. OK, so 98. So what that meant

991
01:22:41,979 --> 01:22:49,689
was that the property taxpayer was subsidizing the golf course to the tune of $68,000

992
01:22:49,689 --> 01:22:54,839
a year. Right? And we said that, that shouldn't be happening that way. The golf course

993
01:22:54,839 --> 01:23:00,016
should pay for its portion of the administrative cost the same as everybody else

994
01:23:00,016 --> 01:23:07,043
does. So we took that $30,000 number which was actually included in a bond, uh,

995
01:23:08,062 --> 01:23:13,083
document over the purchase of. Golf carts, I think. Anyways, we went back to the

996
01:23:13,083 --> 01:23:19,339
bank. We made all the changes we needed to make, and now we, we do an administrative

997
01:23:19,339 --> 01:23:25,043
allocation to the golf course just like any other department so that the golf course

998
01:23:25,043 --> 01:23:31,379
isn't getting subsidized by the property taxes. Before we did that, it was, it was

999
01:23:31,379 --> 01:23:36,064
getting heavily subsidized in my opinion by property taxes. That's not the way that

1000
01:23:36,649 --> 01:23:43,419
that's supposed to work. The thing about that is, to a degree. The golf course, like

1001
01:23:43,419 --> 01:23:47,899
the sewer department or the water department or any other department, they can manage

1002
01:23:47,899 --> 01:23:53,001
some of those costs. So let me give you an example. Uh, we had a period of about

1003
01:23:53,001 --> 01:24:00,279
24 months where the golf course was our primary generator of workers' compensation

1004
01:24:00,058 --> 01:24:07,066
claims, OK? Um, that increased their portion of the administrative cost allocation

1005
01:24:07,066 --> 01:24:13,006
because they were such a large piece of those insurance costs for the city. They

1006
01:24:13,006 --> 01:24:17,819
go in and they did training and, and equipment and other types of things. They lowered

1007
01:24:17,819 --> 01:24:22,259
their workers' comp costs and then that impacted their overall administrative cost

1008
01:24:22,259 --> 01:24:28,002
allocation. So I know that's a little bit in the weeds, but it is a huge, I appreciate

1009
01:24:28,002 --> 01:24:32,054
you for asking the question. What I was looking for earlier is my red marker because

1010
01:24:32,054 --> 01:24:37,209
I have a dazzling white board presentation on the administrative cost allocation,

1011
01:24:37,054 --> 01:24:44,029
but there is this mythology. That somehow the city is taking golf course money and

1012
01:24:44,029 --> 01:24:50,879
that is no way accurate. What the city is doing, it's using a proven method. for

1013
01:24:50,879 --> 01:24:55,399
paying its administrative costs that it gives to the golf course, the same method

1014
01:24:55,399 --> 01:25:02,008
that many other cities use, probably a lot of businesses use, and it keeps the property

1015
01:25:02,008 --> 01:25:10,004
taxpayer. From subsidizing the golf course. Or from subsidizing the water system

1016
01:25:10,006 --> 01:25:15,001
or the sewer system. So thank you for that question because I, I just wondered mainly

1017
01:25:15,001 --> 01:25:18,939
because of the, you know, money that they're looking at putting in for the 10 year

1018
01:25:18,939 --> 01:25:23,459
period, $50,000 a year, which doesn't sound like a lot when you've got just, you

1019
01:25:23,459 --> 01:25:30,609
know, something as an example, the administrative fee of $97,000 or $98,000. Well,

1020
01:25:30,097 --> 01:25:35,077
bear in mind that under both of the proposals that we have before us at the moment.

1021
01:25:36,058 --> 01:25:42,629
Those groups are taking the operational costs with them. All the workers' comp, all

1022
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:46,669
of the work, all of those expenses would go with them, so we don't retain any of

1023
01:25:46,669 --> 01:25:50,097
these operations. Under either one of the pros, OK.

1024
01:25:52,859 --> 01:25:58,759
Thank you, Dave. That still there? You, you.

1025
01:26:04,099 --> 01:26:06,016
That's the question.

1026
01:26:08,189 --> 01:26:15,031
I I'm a terrible speaker, so anyways, my name is Barbara Jacobson, and I grew up

1027
01:26:15,031 --> 01:26:22,035
in Polson. I grew up with the fathers that put the old nine in. Um

1028
01:26:23,209 --> 01:26:28,729
The entry, the entryway into the old 9, the sign, I just want you to know, I mean,

1029
01:26:28,077 --> 01:26:36,029
it's classy. You go down. All my father ran out and we all got little golf bags and

1030
01:26:36,029 --> 01:26:44,006
we golfed that golf course. It was wonderful. Now. Something happened, who

1031
01:26:44,006 --> 01:26:50,919
decided to put in the 18 team over there. And I think they went way over their head.

1032
01:26:52,077 --> 01:27:00,009
Bunkers, I think is a drain. Our entryway into our golf course is deplorable. We

1033
01:27:00,009 --> 01:27:06,035
have no sign that sits down in the ditch, actually an old sign. Um, the shrubbery,

1034
01:27:06,039 --> 01:27:13,729
when you, when you come in, is deplorable. And the road, I don't know, um, Ed, if

1035
01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:18,049
they lease it, how can we get some road maintenance? We need repaving. We need all

1036
01:27:18,049 --> 01:27:21,045
this. It's awful, the road that goes down Baby Drive.

1037
01:27:23,779 --> 01:27:28,899
Under a lease, can they help with those fees? Because a lot of it that's awful over

1038
01:27:28,899 --> 01:27:33,569
the golf course, coming around the golf course. I, I mean, it depends on what you

1039
01:27:33,569 --> 01:27:41,399
put in the lease and how you structure it, so. Well, anyway, I just think that, uh,

1040
01:27:41,066 --> 01:27:48,229
somewhere along the line. They went over their head, and it's, A lot of it is I like

1041
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:53,899
the golf course is great, fine, but the entryway, the coming in, the road is deplorable.

1042
01:27:56,004 --> 01:27:59,045
And thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um,

1043
01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:01,041
Mhm.

1044
01:28:03,589 --> 01:28:04,259
In the morning

1045
01:28:08,083 --> 01:28:12,799
Josh, good to see you. Yeah, um, just wanted to introduce myself more than anything

1046
01:28:12,799 --> 01:28:17,839
else I can answer any questions too. I didn't want to steal away from, um, Dallas's

1047
01:28:17,839 --> 01:28:23,016
time, but I'm Josh Mackey. I'm president of the Folsom Bakeofff Association, the.

1048
01:28:24,004 --> 01:28:29,068
Poor sap who decided to volunteer for that role. Um, no, it's been fun. It's been

1049
01:28:29,068 --> 01:28:33,077
interesting. Uh, oh, by the way, for the record, yes, I live at 40,040 Highland Drive.

1050
01:28:34,279 --> 01:28:36,012
Also, my official mail I.

1051
01:28:38,018 --> 01:28:45,209
Um, So when I heard about Dallas's proposal, uh, I thought, wow, here's an interesting

1052
01:28:45,209 --> 01:28:50,005
curveball because we have been working for a couple of years now on this golf association

1053
01:28:50,089 --> 01:28:54,649
and my only real comments, not necessarily a question as I mentioned, one is just

1054
01:28:54,649 --> 01:28:57,669
wanted to make sure to introduce myself so if anybody does have any questions about

1055
01:28:57,093 --> 01:29:01,089
what's going on with the golf association. We can answer some of those. We can set

1056
01:29:01,089 --> 01:29:07,095
up another workshop session to answer questions with the golf advisory board or with

1057
01:29:07,095 --> 01:29:13,319
city commissioners as well. We definitely want to be transparent. Um, and I really

1058
01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:18,339
just wanted to comment that I appreciate the interest, and when I spoke with Dallas

1059
01:29:18,339 --> 01:29:23,031
about this, uh, privately earlier. Immediately there were some things that we were

1060
01:29:23,031 --> 01:29:28,569
in alignment with. There's no doubt that we love this place, that it's good, and

1061
01:29:28,569 --> 01:29:33,049
we think we can make it better, um, that it's an asset that's valuable to the Polson

1062
01:29:33,093 --> 01:29:38,089
community, to all the visitors that come here, and the fact remains that I think

1063
01:29:38,089 --> 01:29:44,081
a collaborative approach like this one is the right way to go, and I think that ultimately

1064
01:29:44,081 --> 01:29:51,068
I hope we reach whatever proposal, if you will, or option becomes. The one

1065
01:29:51,068 --> 01:29:58,008
chosen, um, that all sides actually will get behind it. So, uh, happy to answer any

1066
01:29:58,008 --> 01:30:00,959
questions if anybody has them for me, but again, didn't want to take too much time

1067
01:30:00,959 --> 01:30:01,069
here.

1068
01:30:06,029 --> 01:30:08,006
Thank you. Uh, is it.

1069
01:30:10,056 --> 01:30:10,569
Yeah,

1070
01:30:13,549 --> 01:30:14,068
that would like to say something.

1071
01:30:17,169 --> 01:30:17,024
I want to ask a question.

1072
01:30:22,009 --> 01:30:23,669
Gosh, did you leave your phone up there?

1073
01:30:26,002 --> 01:30:33,083
No, that, that's the 3 o'clock, 3 minute timer. Hi. Hi, I am Janine Moss. It's M

1074
01:30:33,083 --> 01:30:39,959
A A S. I live at 809 6th Avenue East in Polson, and I am not a golfer, but I wanted

1075
01:30:39,959 --> 01:30:44,589
to come anyway today because Polson is so near and dear to my heart like it is to

1076
01:30:45,259 --> 01:30:50,047
all the golfers. I mean, this is our community. Uh, the biggest reason I wanted to

1077
01:30:50,047 --> 01:30:54,095
come today was the first thing I heard was a 99 year lease just strikes terror in

1078
01:30:54,095 --> 01:31:01,649
my heart, and I hope it does in many others. In my career, I worked, uh, 25 years

1079
01:31:01,649 --> 01:31:06,149
at the Montana Board of Housing, part-time nights in Helena, part-time nights and

1080
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:12,709
weekends at the 911 dispatcher Center in, in Helena. I'm very familiar with government

1081
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:18,045
processes, funding cycles, and All things real estate documents. I also spent 18

1082
01:31:18,045 --> 01:31:23,072
years in title companies, so I would really caution anybody about the 99 year lease.

1083
01:31:24,008 --> 01:31:29,001
And then I was surprised with the way the conversation in the room went about another

1084
01:31:29,006 --> 01:31:34,006
proposal being brought forward and Ed's comment about how he could put together an

1085
01:31:34,006 --> 01:31:40,081
RFP, and I heard my mother's voice in my head. And so I'm just gonna share that is

1086
01:31:40,081 --> 01:31:46,609
that sometimes the emphasis is put on the wrong syllable. Just because you get more

1087
01:31:46,609 --> 01:31:50,979
than one proposal does not mean you have to put together an RFP and you have to go

1088
01:31:50,979 --> 01:31:54,045
forward, and that was my comments. Thank you. Thank you very much.

1089
01:31:57,066 --> 01:31:58,001
Good morning.

1090
01:32:02,589 --> 01:32:07,459
Hi, my name is Tanner Beamer. I live at 32. What is my address, Tracy? 32387 Montana

1091
01:32:07,459 --> 01:32:14,609
35. Um, I, uh, just moved to the Polson area four months ago. Uh, my wife grew up

1092
01:32:14,609 --> 01:32:19,099
here. She's 4th generation in the Polson area. Uh, and we spent the last 10 years

1093
01:32:19,099 --> 01:32:23,799
in Washington DC. Uh, I was a lobbyist for the Cattlemen's Association, so I am,

1094
01:32:24,089 --> 01:32:27,609
uh, uh, pretty familiar with government processes, pretty familiar with budgeting,

1095
01:32:27,729 --> 01:32:32,209
but I am by no means a lawyer or an accountant, um. The, the golf course is very

1096
01:32:32,209 --> 01:32:35,081
near and dear to my heart. Uh, I spent a lot of time out there. One of the first

1097
01:32:35,081 --> 01:32:39,209
things I did when we moved back was get my golf pass for 2026, so I'm excited to

1098
01:32:39,209 --> 01:32:42,041
get out on the course and get that used. Really disappointed that I was out of town

1099
01:32:42,041 --> 01:32:45,609
when you did the, when you opened the course up a couple of weeks ago, uh, but that's

1100
01:32:45,609 --> 01:32:50,669
all right. Uh, I guess the, the, the, the comment I wanna make is really more so,

1101
01:32:50,689 --> 01:32:57,169
uh, a question. Uh, I'm just really curious about the financials. Uh, I have followed

1102
01:32:57,169 --> 01:33:01,079
up on this through the reporting that the leader has done. Um, I actually spent quite

1103
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:05,609
a bit of time over the last couple of days on the city website looking at at budgets,

1104
01:33:06,029 --> 01:33:09,091
and I am just a little bit curious, right? I mean, I, I am not here to make comment

1105
01:33:09,091 --> 01:33:13,709
on whether a 99 year lease is a good thing or a bad thing. It is a pretty standard

1106
01:33:13,709 --> 01:33:18,839
business practice for a transaction or an agreement kind of like this, um. a million

1107
01:33:18,839 --> 01:33:23,012
dollars over 10 years though, if I'm not mistaken and I'm understanding the reporting

1108
01:33:23,012 --> 01:33:28,229
correctly, the, the golf course netted over $400,000 last year, so you're almost

1109
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:31,006
halfway to a million dollars in one year. Now I don't know if that's an outstanding

1110
01:33:31,006 --> 01:33:36,031
year compared to years past, um, so I, I am just very curious about how all that

1111
01:33:36,031 --> 01:33:40,004
works. If I was addressing the commission, I'd probably structure my comments a little

1112
01:33:40,004 --> 01:33:44,012
bit different because I'm also curious about, as I understand it, that all operates

1113
01:33:44,012 --> 01:33:48,839
through the enterprise fund. And this proposal, as I understand it, sends all of

1114
01:33:48,839 --> 01:33:53,439
that money to the general fund. So I guess my, my question would be what then becomes

1115
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:58,439
of the enterprise fund? How does that go to make sure that golf revenues go back

1116
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:02,439
to support golf activities? So that's the question that the company I think. Thank

1117
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:02,066
you.

1118
01:34:05,049 --> 01:34:10,109
Dave, just for a quick clarification, I mean. I, I don't know that we've ever said

1119
01:34:10,109 --> 01:34:16,509
that these funds go back to the general fund. Um, it's an enterprise fund and so

1120
01:34:16,509 --> 01:34:21,589
I would imagine that we would want to make sure that these funds were staying in

1121
01:34:21,589 --> 01:34:25,079
the enterprise fund. They'd be part of the golf course. I don't, I don't know that

1122
01:34:25,079 --> 01:34:31,029
you necessarily want to take dollars generated by leasing the golf course and then

1123
01:34:31,029 --> 01:34:35,097
transfer them back to the general. I'm not saying you can't, but that the city commission

1124
01:34:35,097 --> 01:34:41,093
might. I, I would think that would be more of a reinvestment type of a tool for the

1125
01:34:41,093 --> 01:34:47,129
golf course. So that's just off the fly from the city manager. It's not a legal opinion

1126
01:34:47,129 --> 01:34:51,839
either. So, well, right, OK. OK

1127
01:34:57,007 --> 01:35:03,018
Hello, I'm Kobe Gherkey, 110 Main Street, Polson, Montana. I'm here representing

1128
01:35:03,018 --> 01:35:08,419
the Flathead Lakers, and I'm just gonna talk very briefly about my role with the

1129
01:35:08,419 --> 01:35:14,459
golf course and my role not as a golfer. Um, the course is an amazing asset. It sits

1130
01:35:14,459 --> 01:35:18,899
right next to Betcher Park, one of the most popular, uh, public access points on

1131
01:35:18,899 --> 01:35:25,002
Flathead Lake. We've been doing water quality testing at Betcher Park since 2017,

1132
01:35:25,006 --> 01:35:31,359
and that park consistently. Is too high for E. coli, above safe thresholds in the

1133
01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:35,959
summer, and that is largely because of runoff coming off of the old mine on the golf

1134
01:35:35,959 --> 01:35:41,069
course. We've been working with Pat and his team over there to start looking at ways

1135
01:35:41,069 --> 01:35:46,008
to introduce biofiltration and filter out some of that harmful bacteria that's entering

1136
01:35:46,008 --> 01:35:51,979
the lake, as well as pesticides and nutrients, and to date. We're planning on investing

1137
01:35:51,979 --> 01:35:58,018
over $150,000 of private money into that project in the next coming year, and if

1138
01:35:58,018 --> 01:36:02,459
we're successful with a couple more proposals that we're working on, that number

1139
01:36:02,459 --> 01:36:07,066
will grow over 200. So just right there, you've got public-private partnership already

1140
01:36:07,066 --> 01:36:12,939
in existence on this project. I'm not here to comment on Mr. Tanner's proposal. I've

1141
01:36:12,939 --> 01:36:19,012
looked it through. What I am here to comment on is continue to treat the golf course

1142
01:36:19,054 --> 01:36:24,979
as an evolving, improving part of the natural process that protects the thing that

1143
01:36:24,979 --> 01:36:29,074
we're all here for the lake. And as citizens, I invite you to join us and we'll put

1144
01:36:29,074 --> 01:36:34,001
your funds to good work on that project. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1145
01:36:38,031 --> 01:36:40,479
Something else. I just

1146
01:36:44,009 --> 01:36:48,229
have one comment, um, maybe my voice out, um. What about separating off the old 9?

1147
01:36:49,052 --> 01:36:53,529
Leave that with the city and the new 18. Go there,

1148
01:36:57,012 --> 01:37:00,095
whoever whoever wants to take care of it, to separate it so that the wholesome people

1149
01:37:00,095 --> 01:37:07,819
have their city. I, I don't know, but I think that it'd be duplicating services,

1150
01:37:07,087 --> 01:37:11,099
you know, somebody would be running the old 9 and somebody else would be running

1151
01:37:11,099 --> 01:37:18,629
the 18 side. So, I mean, it's economically, it just makes more sense to have it all

1152
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:20,149
under 11 umbrella.

1153
01:37:23,259 --> 01:37:31,062
OK? Do I have a motion to adjourn. So we'll 2 all favor. All right,

1154
01:37:32,074 --> 01:37:33,007
thank you very much.