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I'll call the May 19 ZBA meeting to order. We'll start out with roll call, please.

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All right. Anderson. Bueno.

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Yeah.

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Perkendorf.

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The Valklov. Here.

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McLean. Here.

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May.

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President Burke.

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And Harris Ford is the alternate.

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It does not appear to be an intern.

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I just wanted to share with the ZBA on the record that both Burke and Anderson, unfortunately,

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have had one as a double-booking with a meeting and another one as a personal emergency,

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so with it just has to be excused for this month.

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Any official communications?

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I have no official communications tonight.

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And anybody have any issue with the agenda, and if not, can we get a motion to approve?

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So, move.

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We've got a motion from a clone support from Wano, all those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye, ayes have it.

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And on to special presentations.

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And just for the record, we will have minutes said next month's meeting.

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So, we have no special presentations for tonight other than the public hearings that exists.

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On to first public hearing and it over to administration.

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Okay, sounds good.

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So, this is case, actually give me a second.

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I'm going to make it easier to see.

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I'm going to turn the light off.

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So, this is variance case, ZBA 24-00.

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It actually should be four, not six.

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The applicant is Rossick, Dolakia, okay.

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The international swaminarian church, if that is an appropriate term.

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And it's a 15, 17 jazzlin avenue, which is at the corner of jazzlin in Northfield.

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And there are two variants this tonight to allow them to build a pedestrian canopy

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between the building and the parking lot.

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So this is the location of the property, you can see the church is really essentially at the corner.

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One of the most different things about this site though is the sidewalk that is a long northfield is a private sidewalk owned by the property owner who is the applicant tonight.

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So this is not a public sidewalk.

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And it really allows the church to, or religious institution

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to be able to, circumnavigate the church

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because many of the entrances, some of our north

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field, some are in jazeline to get around the site

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to enter the institution.

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Just for reference tonight, there's a small bit of relevancy

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here.

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This is not R1, this is R1B.

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And if you're not familiar with this, we have R1A

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are one B in the city. Most of them are in the periphery of the city, where the lot sizes are

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much larger. So in this area, the zoning district is R1B. When it comes to accessory structures

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in an R1, you don't maybe be a lot 800 square feet, this permits 900 square feet. So just a

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small difference, but I wanted to point that out, that any property owner in an R1B district can have

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an accessory structure, if as long as it meets the zoning code, but it needs to, it can be up to

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The reason being is these lots are typically a little larger, a little bit more of a suburban footprint than what you might see down closer to downtown here where the lots are much smaller.

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So, I mentioned about the property of Northfield in, and, uh,

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Jaws and Avenue, uh, the applicant wants to build a accessory structure

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over the sidewalk between the entrance and the parking lot,

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and entrances, for that matter.

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And it is a private sidewalk as we have mentioned.

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So the applicant provided this, it's in your staff report,

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basically showing that red outline on, uh,

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the where it says 57 feet, so they're looking at a 57 foot

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of foot canopy, open air canopy that would be constructed in the front yard, and then it would

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also add to the accessory structure size. As you look on the far left of that image up on the

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screen, there's a little bit of a parse image. I think the applicant can speak a little more

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about how the building is used, but many churches sometimes might have a residential kick

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component to it. So it's not a typical to have a building that size. That existing building

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is 1100 square feet, and then this would be adding on at, I believe, 464 feet, yep, for the total

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area. And those, again, makes up to two variances. They're seeking one to allow it in the

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front yard and two for the total size. They have provided a concept illustration of what this

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will look like. As you can see, just it will have post, you know, as it goes along the sidewalk

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And we'll have a pitched roof, which is typical and aligns with structures in residential

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neighborhoods.

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And one of the important things is I, this is from Google Street View, I included in

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your staff report, just an image of where this is going to go, so you can have some context

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of what's going to look like, particularly when it comes to the architecture of the building

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itself.

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And this picture, just for references from Northfield, the parking lots on the left, and

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in jazlin is on the right.

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The church has a certificate of occupancy has been operating for many years, the parking is in

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the rear along Northfield.

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The building entrances are located both on jazlin and Northfield, meaning visitors from the

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church have to exit from those two exits and take a sidewalk to the back parking lot.

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I already mentioned about the total accessory structures that are up there.

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So, the ZBA is considering seven standards of approval.

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I'm not going to go through each of these items,

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but the applicant should be familiar with them

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and address them from the staff report.

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They received last week.

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I wanted to just state the two standards

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is the aggregate area of accessory buildings

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for any lot, should not exceed 15% of the lot area.

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And for this zoning district,

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should be no more than 900 square feet,

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whichever is least.

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And that in this case would be 900.

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And then the second is detached accessory buildings may not be constructed or located in any front or side yard, but maybe located in a rear yard.

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In the analysis, there is staff provided a lot of pros and cons.

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Our goal is to be neutral with this and really to provide some information and perspective for the zone board of appeals.

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I have summarized just a couple up here.

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Just for

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Or more as a summary than anything else. But the functionality that can't be in the rear yard would really negate their ability to provide a covered walkway from the principal structure of the parking lot.

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And what I mean by that is the way this site is aligned with where the building is, where the parking lot is, that is all either front yard or side yard.

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There, you have to go to the very northwest corner to get a little sliver where there's actually rear yard by definition.

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And for that purpose, they wouldn't be able to put in a canopy in a rear yard is not where they want to put a pedestrian canopy.

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It'd be a little difficult to achieve that mission of providing that pedestrian canopy.

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So it is very difficult the way the site is laid out with the church and the parking lot to be able to achieve this mission.

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Now if they were building a shed, the ZBA could, let me say, you could build a shed in a rear yard, but a canopy like this may be viewed a little differently.

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When my presentation's over, you'll get to address this.

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So this location has operated many years without a cover canopy, and one may find that the

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properties usable without the need of a canopy, and with the total accessory structure

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size over 1500 square feet, and part of this is one of the standards just relating to other

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properties in the same zoning district.

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The unique circumstance about this property, I do want to point out, is that it is a little

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over two acres. And that is about six to eight times what a typical lot is even for the zoning

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district. So, you know, and churches are not permitted by right in the zoning district,

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but they are allowed by special exception. And we have many religious institutions in R1, R1A,

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and R1B zoning districts. And lastly, grading this variance would allow the property developed

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in a manner that is consistent with the master plan and will not be detrimental to the broader

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neighborhood, the proposed use and requested setbacks will not propose the risk of health safety

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and welfare upon a residence by constructing this canopy if it were to be approved.

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Staff does not provide recommendation only analysis on variance requests.

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So if the ZBA felt the applicant request meets the standards of approval, they may consider

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approval of the variance.

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If the ZBA does not feel the applicant request meets the needs of standards approval, they

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may consider denial of the variance and should state which standard has not been met.

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So I do have the standards up here the one thing I want to know with this is we will need because there are two variants as we will need two motions and two votes tonight on this.

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So for that, that is my presentation this evening.

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I'd be happy to take any questions you may have and then the applicant would love to speak as well.

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And before I get too far, we will be having a public hearing as part of this.

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The applicant's presentation did include several letters of support from neighbors, so I'm at this time I'm going to pass that down to the seat.

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Are there any questions of the administration from the board?

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Okay, pretty pretty pretty good.

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I've got some.

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And with the applicant, like to speak.

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If you can step to the podium and then press the button on the right,

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I think, with the little person is.

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And so I am.

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Okay.

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And then if you can just introduce yourself.

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Let me give you this. If you want to introduce yourself, then we'll get the presentation.

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Okay. So, members of the board and fellow citizens, on behalf of the Sominar and

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Temple, I'd like to share a message of love and peace to you all. My name is Rusek Delakier and I am a

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volunteer at the temple, I do gardening at the temple and I've been doing for a while, and

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I also have my fellow volunteer, Rajesh, Maraudiya here as well.

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So basically we are a Hindu temple that serves the community of ISSO for short, we are also

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integrated with the wider community with charitable work, so we'd like to help the community

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in Poneac, and also outside.

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As an example, we do every Sunday.

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We provide cook meals to 75 people at the hope shelters.

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And then we annually, we participate in two to three annual fund

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razors for local charities.

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The main reason to add the canopy structure

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is that we are actually, a lot of our congregation is aging now.

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I would say about 60 to 70 percent are older folks.

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And these people don't drive vehicles.

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They actually come on Sundays.

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We have a congregation between 430 to 8 o'clock or so.

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They are given by their children, the sons or daughters.

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And then we also have little kids as well to go with that.

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So what's happening is that the get actually dropped off just as you enter from Northfield into the parking lot

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and then they use the sidewalk to get in.

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And you know we have issues mainly in the wintery conditions where we have snow and ice formations

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or you know there's been issues with some people trying to walk across

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But, you know, also during rainy season, like when it rains, during summer, I know I've been caught gardening and I wanted to try and get to my car and I had to wait for a long time before the rain subsided before I can dash across.

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But if you have some shelter, at least I can just jump into my car, it should be a few places to go there.

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So it's really basically, that's the main reason why we want it and then, you know, we shared the proposal with our neighbors to just to make sure that they are okay with it and we didn't have any objections from them.

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So I go to the next one.

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And in the dark, we actually covered all the three main reasons, you know, how we consider

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the exceptional circumstances compared to the other neighbors.

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You know, they are shorter drivers.

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We are a lot of traffic, food traffic.

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And, you know, our driveway, our walkways are longer to get into the entrance.

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Then the enjoyment of substantial property right basically is just the same as it applies to the neighbors, you know, safely access the property essentially.

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And then the design is going to be such that it will not stand out. It's going to blend in aesthetically with what is currently there.

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So, you know, we are not trying to increase the footprint or anything like that, basically just cover the area that's already there.

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And I would also like to acknowledge Corey Christianchen.

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I worked with him before he left many times, and he was very, very helpful in helping and also mark, you know, coming in the last minute to try and help us out here.

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So we enter this one. I just wanted to check a few pictures of how much, you know, we lower guns there.

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Every year, we have a lot of enthusiasm in terms of keeping the guns up and tidy the exterior.

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And actually it encourages our neighbors to, so they are trying to also do a nice job and they stop up as well.

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And they kind of say, oh, you know, you are pulling us up there, so we also need to do that.

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And from time to time, we also get the award from the Pontiac City, so there was kind

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of nice to have that.

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And finally, just to show you that this is just a concept, it's not the right size or

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dimensions, it's just, this is what we are kind of planning, and that's the area that we

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want to put it up.

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So that's all I have.

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I don't know if you have any questions.

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Any questions?

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No, I actually, I don't have a question, I'm just going to say something, so it's always beautiful there and you say you're the gardener?

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Yes, I'm the gardener.

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Okay, so you gardener, others?

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Oh.

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It's always beautiful.

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I would agree.

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Every time I pass it, it always, always very well kept and looks very nice.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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I just have one question.

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So will this canopy be anchored and secured?

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Or is it just going to be set?

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No, it's going to be anchored.

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So we will have steel brackets that will be bolted on into the concrete.

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And then we have the 4 by 4 posts 8 feet high.

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That will be anchored in there.

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Yeah, it's going to be solids, actually.

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It's not going to move.

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Yeah, I just wanted to confirm that because I saw that sitting there with those little, you know, the concept and it's like, is that just going to be set or

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No, the state building code requires that's out of it on the agenda.

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Um, excuse me, but that's not what he's doing.

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Is that going to be an issue?

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You just attached him to the sidewalk.

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Can you repeat that?

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Thank you.

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It appears that these are ties that are attached to the concrete sidewalk.

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You know, four sidewalks, but it's not really anchored.

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down, is that a little?

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He's going, the applicant's going to have

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to be able to plant these.

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And I'm not sure if it's actually in the sidewalk.

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I think you can address this either in the sidewalk,

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or in the grass adjacent to the sidewalk.

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But those will need to be secured

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and have a foundation to be approved and to be allowed.

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I think one more comment on this issue

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was that you have a group of buildings,

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I just think right in front of the building is just going to distract from the building.

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And I can't think of any other church or established it.

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And the city that has a kind of walkway going to the park.

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So I kind of going back and forth and forth or forth.

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That's an excellent point.

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One thing I would want to say though is in this location,

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You're it's actually on the farther western point of the building. So if you're driving up and down

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jaws on where you get far more traffic than you do on northfield, you're this is the last thing

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you're going to see. So it's not going to take away from the aesthetics that you have of the building

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of the landscaping when it comes to the high traffic corridor of jaws on. So just perspective.

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I just like to follow up my comment with I do understand that it's not our purview here to be concerned

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ultimately about building code issues, but I do like to mention things in the event that the applicant

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isn't aware of the need. And so that they, you know, can internalize that and understand that if you're

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going to move forward with it, you may be running into a situation where you're going to have to dig foundation

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and properly secure, so if that changes your plans, you know, you can make adjustments.

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So, just for context.

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So, if there are no further questions, just one, Mr. Chair, I'm looking at, you see the

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area that's circled back, can't it be there?

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So, is that going to be covered by this as well, is it going to run short of that?

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Yes, it will color it.

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They will completely cover it, so you can do a right angle and it will journey into that thing.

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Okay, okay, thank you.

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So you will be completely covered from the parking lot walking in dry and okay, I'll come

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visit when it's raining.

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You can come and visit us anytime.

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Okay, well I like that.

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I got a question.

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So, coming down, okay, so you say, coming down Jocelyn, but when I go to Northfield, that's

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more where it's going to be coming that way.

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Okay, I thought so.

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I thought I just wanted to make it.

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I've ring up the slide, but it was on my presentation.

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I don't know if it's on his.

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Yeah.

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No, that's good.

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I don't have the question for me.

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All right.

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And then I guess at this point, I will open up for public comment, sir.

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Anyone from the public that would like to make a comment.

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Seeing none, I'll close public comment.

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Do we have a motion?

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Mark, should I read both?

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One at a time, though.

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One at a time, though, we're going to do, OK.

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I moved to approve the dimensional variance to a live canopy

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to be constructed in the front yard at 1517,

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in Jackson Avenue based on the bindings of fat in the staff report.

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Support?

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We have a motion by May and support by Kirkandolf.

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Is there any discussion on the motion?

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Roll call, please?

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Boy, no.

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Kirkandolf?

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Yes.

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Pavakua?

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Yes.

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McLean?

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Yes.

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May.

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Yes.

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Motion passes for the one.

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Do we have a second motion?

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I move to approve the dimensional variance to allow the total assessor

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restructure area at of 1556 square feet at 1517 jazzling,

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Avenue based on the findings of that in the staff report.

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Support?

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We have motion by May, support by Kirk and Dolph, any discussion on the motion,

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and we get a roll call please.

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May.

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McClellan.

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The Vaqua?

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Kirk and Dolph.

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Yes.

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Boeno.

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Okay.

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Motion passes for the one.

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Thank you.

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In administration, would you like to take the next presentation?

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All right. So tonight's second case is application ZBA-25-005. The applicant is Sharper Tech,

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which is the property owner and business that is located there. It's said 46 South optic road.

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The various is to reduce the side yard setback and of an existing accessory structure.

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The request is to reduce the side yard setback requirement from 15 feet to 8 feet 10 inches.

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And I just wanted to clarify before we get started, the accessory structure setbacks are the same as the principle structure setbacks for the zoning district, which is M2.

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So instead of 15, they would have 8 feet 10 inches.

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So, this is the location if you look to the upper center of the parcel.

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At the end of, I know the street, and I can't see it there.

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It's right off of Optic, but it has an Optic address, even though there is a street leading

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to it.

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Now it's just east of the UWM campus, as you can see right there.

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So, the zoning for this property is M2, which is having industrial, they're having manufacturing, excuse me.

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To the right is a picture of the site that was taken, I believe, recently, but prior to the structures actually being on site.

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So,

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I've already mentioned having to do with the setbacks in the overview, this is an industrial facility,

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Sharper Tech is industrial facility with ultrasonic cleaning for commercial and residential uses, the applicant may be able to address that a little further.

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There was an accessory building constructed in 2024 without a building permit or planning review.

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I'm going to let the applicant speak a little further about that as it relates to tonight's request.

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The accessory building is located within the facility's parking lot.

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If the 15 yard side yard setback were enacted, the facility would lose more parking spaces

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that it already has, and it's vehicle and fire lanes may be impacted by repositioning

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of the accessory building, and that's why the variance request is here tonight.

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So, if you look, and I'll show you the, I think we have the image up here, but if you look,

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there's the existing structure on the bottom right of the parcel.

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They're looking to reconfigure that, but there are two lanes of one-way parking, and so

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there go with this was to reposition it to a point that they would move it back, a little

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farther from the property, but essentially it would block some of the existing parking in

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that bottom-right corner that's there.

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In your packet, there should be an image that highlights that I don't believe we have

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something up here, but highlights where the location of this is, which is that.

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I do want to point out, we have shared this with the Fire Department and they have signed off

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on the location of this structure if it were to be approved.

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So that definitely was a concern from staff, but shifting it any farther would restrict

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would enact, so essentially doing eight feet, ten inches does still allow for two

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way traffic, where 15 would not, so 15 would essentially clear that off.

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The applicant submitted this photo as an, I think it is an example but they can speak to that a little further in a moment here.

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There are seven standards approval with a variance request.

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And like I said, this is just some of the pros and cons that staff found in the analysis just trying to do a summary.

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So the properties being used as an industrial facility and the success rebuilding is proposed for storage.

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Compliance of that 15 yard setback does require more parking spaces to be eliminated.

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Although the applicant expressed concerns about decreasing the employee parking on the site,

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compliance with the ordinance is not necessarily burdensome.

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It should be noted that the property does have a lot of spaces on site.

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And it also is noted that there is a property to the west of here that has to go through this property also to access their site as well.

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So it is important to keep lanes of traffic open as much as possible just for that navigability.

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There are no unique circumstances of this parcel.

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The building could have been constructed on this parcel, abiding by the setback requirements

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by this ordinance.

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There are other locations, potentially in the rear, where it could be located.

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The problem is self-created, because the applicant's start to the building and the setback

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rather locations could meet the requirement.

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Although the applicant can address how practically feasible or difficult that is.

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Granted, this granting experience though will not affect light air congestion or other public safety concerns.

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And if the required setback was enforced, the structured footprint would allow for that narrow fire access via optic road.

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So the recommendation is really up to the ZBA staff to only provide analysis.

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And here are the motions up here.

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So I will let the applicant address the ZBA.

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Thank you.

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So, my name is Gassana Stala.

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I'm the owner of Sharkertec.

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We've been in business since 1998.

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We log the city of Paniac.

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This is our third location in Paniac.

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And the reason why we're building this storage is our building is at capacity at the moment.

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We're trying to put some storage outside the building so we can expand our line of product.

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We are looking to buy another building in addition to this one.

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In order to grow the automotive and aerospace fields in our business,

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we mainly serve a charter tech, we mainly serve the aerospace and the medical side mostly.

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And so we, example companies would be SpaceX, Blue Origin,

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General Electric, Lockheed Martin.

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We do all the post-process equipment, for example,

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for avat labs.

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We do all the stands that are sold in the United States

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from avat lab, they go through our equipment.

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We are very specialized equipment building company.

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The automotive side, we're growing it, the company's name is KPS, manufacturing LLC.

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And this is the side of the business that we're trying to grow.

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And hopefully we can find another location in Paniak.

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So...

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This storage is a stepping stone between where we are today and where we want to be next year when we are able to add another building.

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Now, as far as the storage unit, we hired the contractor. I made sure that the contract says that he is supposed to apply for license.

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something was missed. I don't know what happened. They built the building. The workers

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that were there were not fluent in English. I couldn't understand what's going on with

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the contract. Anyway, when I saw that, I'm like, no, this is not right. We have to apply

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for the permits. So that's where I am today. And so hindsight, I should have done it myself

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to not let the contractor do it, but that's where we are.

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So what's, if we can go back to the picture, the picture that you showed, this is the actual storage unit that is there.

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It's not a concept picture, this is the actual one, it is 880 square foot and the distance from the back of the store.

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to the fence is the eight feet that we're talking about versus what the zoning requires was 15 feet.

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Now, if we were to put it at 15 feet, it would be basically right in the middle of the parking lot

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and it would hinder the space and the travel around the building.

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Any questions?

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And does everyone, do everyone see the exhibit where the site plan with the red, where the structure is going to go?

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If not, I can assist in that. So, again, you're to clarify, you said going to go.

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As I understand it, this is already there. This is the E-1 by 22 foot structure.

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Yes, correct.

401
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It would just, I'm sorry, let's see it though.

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This is 40 by, this structure is 40 foot by 22.

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00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:22,080
OK, so yeah, I got a little confused with your presentation

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because you made it sound like, you wanted to build this structure.

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And all you needed to do was get approval and you didn't.

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And now you're here just to get approval.

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But you actually want to expand this structure.

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Got it.

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OK, I'm going to share.

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Today, there's a 40 feet long enough to write.

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And we want to make it the 80 feet.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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You and double.

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If I can ask just for the record, is that a new structure or is that an add-on to this building?

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The 40 to 80 would be the add-on.

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It would be the add-on.

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It would be the add-on to this building.

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Okay.

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So we would take out this wall and make it longer.

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Any questions in now that we've had that a step?

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No, that was, I'm clear now.

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About the 40 work year.

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are existing, but it isn't existing, expanding and existing,

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as the city is expected it.

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We have not, and we will be as part of this process.

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So the zoning board of appeals needs to approve before a building inspection would take place.

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There is actually a scheduled inspection of the building in general,

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I think, at the end of the month or so.

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It's already scheduled.

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I have one question of the applicant.

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finding a fact that the structure could have been placed elsewhere and

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met requirements, is it a particular reason why it was built exactly there.

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There was no other space, we looked, we've been like really studying it for

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more than two years and trying to find what's the optimal and we thought this was

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the optimal place to put it in.

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It does look like, you know, it's tucked away in the corners, much as you possibly can,

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only taking away the most minimal amount of parking spaces, yet the issue obviously is

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the setback.

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And honestly, I didn't know that this is deviating on the zoning, because I thought that

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the contractor already applied, because that was in the purchase order, and then I was

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off guard like a month ago when we wanted to expand it or a few months ago and I'm like

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oh we didn't have the first approval now we're going to go get that so so were you

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more involved in this expansion project whereas someone communicated directly with the

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city is that what I'm gathering. It wasn't me actually it was Bill Hassel the president

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of KPS, manufacturing that I mentioned, but unfortunately he's at the hospital here in Paniak.

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He had some breathing issues and pneumonia and he was under ventilator, but now he's good.

448
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So I'm filling in. I caught the little with off guard on where we are in the process.

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And then on a curiosity, what is the product that you're producing for the automotive industry?

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We are producing the shafts for the Ford Transit, and our direct customer is Dana, and we produce about

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4,000 parts of that a week, and we are also having American axle and GK, and we're going into those as well.

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That's why I'm saying this building is way too small for what we're doing.

453
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:55,810
And this is just like storage and preparation for transport, as you produce, is that the concept.

454
00:35:57,410 --> 00:36:03,050
I have about 10,000 square foot, where I can add the CNC equipment for the automotive.

455
00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:10,130
So I have a big storage inside the building, and I'm taking that storage inside the building to put it in here,

456
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:12,230
so I can buy more CNC machines.

457
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:18,770
So we bought like six machines and we need about 10 more to keep up the production.

458
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:22,730
So this is why you I see why you're you need to find another location

459
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:29,970
Yeah, we would be looking for like 6,000 in 60,000 square foot

460
00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:35,390
Well congratulations on your expansion, so it's just just just curious

461
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:42,190
totally play in and as far as the airspace. I just like I mentioned what we do for a medical

462
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:44,370
we do

463
00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:46,130
surgical cleaning systems for

464
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:50,150
or canylated instruments for the Da Vinci robots.

465
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:52,590
And we sell these to hospitals.

466
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:58,030
But as far as the aerospace, we do flushing systems

467
00:36:58,030 --> 00:37:01,610
for the rockets, for the field delivery systems,

468
00:37:01,730 --> 00:37:03,370
for SpaceX and Blue Origin.

469
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:06,570
So we're specialized in push-pull systems

470
00:37:06,570 --> 00:37:08,750
for field delivery systems.

471
00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:09,670
Wow.

472
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:11,710
That's diverse portfolio.

473
00:37:12,070 --> 00:37:13,510
Let's get a good place to be.

474
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:15,370
And it's nice.

475
00:37:15,370 --> 00:37:16,470
That's all.

476
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:18,190
All right.

477
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:20,570
Any other questions regarding?

478
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:23,810
Any other questions?

479
00:37:24,730 --> 00:37:25,530
All right.

480
00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:29,690
And I guess I'll take this opportunity to open public comment.

481
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,440
Any public comment? Seeing none? Close public comment.

482
00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:42,250
And do we have a motion?

483
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:50,200
Sorry to catch you off guard.

484
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:05,080
I'm also approved the dimensional variance to reduce the self-property line side yard set back from 15 to 18.

485
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:11,380
At 486 of that row, based on the findings, effect and staff report.

486
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Second, we have a motion from me in a second from my client. Is there any discussion on this motion?

487
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,460
You know, can we have a roll call, please?

488
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,380
Yes.

489
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:30,580
Yes.

490
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,100
Yes.

491
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:34,940
Yes.

492
00:38:35,540 --> 00:38:36,120
Yes.

493
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,500
Thank you.

494
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:38,980
Thank you.

495
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,580
All right,

496
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:47,800
thank you so much.

497
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,920
Have a good night.

498
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,280
The next item is regular business.

499
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,480
We have no regular business tonight.

500
00:38:58,780 --> 00:39:00,560
And what about staff communications?

501
00:39:01,180 --> 00:39:02,800
The meeting will be in my name.

502
00:39:13,610 --> 00:39:16,090
Gina Spear, we'll just see what the land is in terms of.

503
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:18,790
We just can't have people ready to apply and don't need to variance.

504
00:39:19,630 --> 00:39:21,810
Sometimes we need to find out.

505
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:26,310
But I know there's a few that there's a more than a few that might be out there in the next few months.

506
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:33,050
Also, beyond that, I just wanted to give another update that the master plan is going to

507
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:35,630
marinate the city council for a solution.

508
00:39:36,070 --> 00:39:39,670
There are likely to hear that students who are reading system, not push it through to quickly

509
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:43,410
then go to marinate and then also on to the other.

510
00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:46,490
And that's all I have to know.

511
00:39:47,230 --> 00:39:47,930
All right.

512
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:52,330
And then discussion items from commissioners, anybody like to.

513
00:39:52,330 --> 00:39:55,110
question mark your microphone.

514
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,940
So the elections are few months away and our zoning

515
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:07,280
ordinance for this political science have always been you know they can't go up

516
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,080
three days before they can go up three days before the election and they had to be

517
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,760
taken down three days after. That's been our the zoning does something change.

518
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:24,800
So, because it's not been forced or, you know, let's be able to find any worse.

519
00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:28,380
So here's what I would say to that.

520
00:40:28,540 --> 00:40:32,780
And this is something that I've seen in my past and it's with an every community.

521
00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:37,660
We can regulate signs when it comes to time-place manner.

522
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:45,380
But there's constitutionality concerns about the timing of political signs and freedom of speech.

523
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:51,620
So, we, while a local municipality may have something on the record, it's harder to enforce.

524
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Now, what I would say is, we still have limits through our ordinance about how large a sign that they can be.

525
00:40:58,820 --> 00:41:02,300
They must be on private property with permission from the property owner.

526
00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:09,420
And they cannot be blocking clear vision, you know, that might, if there's a driveway there, you know, the line of site.

527
00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:11,480
And they cannot be in the public right away.

528
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,180
but in terms of time, constitutionally,

529
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:16,880
that is a very challenging thing to enforce at the moment.

530
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,540
Why are we changing the zoning orders or what?

531
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:23,960
It will be a couple of times.

532
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,120
I just understand, why can't it not be enforced?

533
00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:31,400
Part of that has just has to do with freedom of speech.

534
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:35,340
And the zoning rules of the Supreme Court

535
00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:37,400
and the decisions that they've made.

536
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,740
I would say they have a lot of different things too.

537
00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:44,820
As part of the zoning ordinance,

538
00:41:44,820 --> 00:41:50,480
I mean, I can do, so I can do a deeper dive with our legal team and with plenty of commission

539
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,200
on that and our planning consultant who be working with us to see, you know, are there alternatives

540
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:03,860
then not having any time per se with having to do with signs in general? I'll see what we can do.

541
00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:08,760
But I think what's hard is when it gets to the presidential elections, which is, you know, turned

542
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,840
into a year, a year and a half process, sometimes. It's hard for us to enforce the local

543
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:20,740
election for, you know, 30 days before and after election and then and get to presidential elections and allow a different time period.

544
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,080
But with that said, I mean, I completely understand.

545
00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:26,340
I mean, I'm a resident of Pontiac 2.

546
00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:31,780
I understand that and we may look at this see if there's any alternatives to that.

547
00:42:32,060 --> 00:42:36,740
It is enforceable that we can work with the community and in future campaigns on.

548
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:42,660
Just what is worth where I was told is that the assessor's office is the okay.

549
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,540
That's what I was told.

550
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,940
We're going to put the signs and I don't see that in the wells.

551
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,100
I drive a long way to work.

552
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,860
I see political signs in the other area.

553
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,120
Can you clarify that the comment about the assessor's office?

554
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:00,900
I may not have thought.

555
00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:06,380
I talked to someone who's running and I asked them why the signs go in out.

556
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:12,100
He says the assessor's office said it was okay to put the signs up and the assessor's office did

557
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:14,160
for us as at the county has nothing to do with it.

558
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:14,700
That's the county.

559
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:17,380
That's not how they're per view.

560
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:17,880
What?

561
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,880
Where did that come from?

562
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:21,280
It doesn't make any sense.

563
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:27,460
If you think about the head of time that we have, you know, yard signs all over the place.

564
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:28,520
What does it you think about?

565
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,600
This is stand there.

566
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,880
I'm paying attention now.

567
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:32,620
We do those signs are up.

568
00:43:32,620 --> 00:43:36,260
You see signs now, and it's way early.

569
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,600
Okay, it looks like an August or something.

570
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,520
Yeah, it's an August or something.

571
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:39,960
It's an August or something.

572
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,240
Okay, what we may, because it may, June, July, August.

573
00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:45,520
That's four months, right?

574
00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:50,360
So, one hour they allowed to put the signs out there.

575
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:52,760
30, 30 days, 30 days, 30 days.

576
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:54,980
And then they can stay before the party.

577
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:55,860
30 days.

578
00:43:56,460 --> 00:43:57,980
Oh, okay.

579
00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:58,500
Okay.

580
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,440
20, because I have.

581
00:43:59,560 --> 00:43:59,840
I'm sorry.

582
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,740
Okay, okay, you're right.

583
00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:09,780
And it's been a way forever, I guess you don't see it in the old community so far, a lot of

584
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:11,120
furgo or newer.

585
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:20,100
But in context into Mark's point is, and I've seen this previously, there are folks, especially

586
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:29,400
with the guy, the orange guy, that put that sign up in the yard all year long, and people

587
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,420
have tried to go after that and fail.

588
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,340
So it becomes, say, if they're allowed to do it all year long,

589
00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:43,260
why can't other private property owners do what they want for their local?

590
00:44:43,580 --> 00:44:46,200
And that's where we start getting into that situation.

591
00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:49,800
So people get pretty overzealous.

592
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,800
And even with these local elections,

593
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,200
people are asking me, isn't running for district two.

594
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,860
When are you getting your materials out?

595
00:44:57,860 --> 00:44:59,980
And I'm like, it's no...

596
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,160
Action.

597
00:45:03,180 --> 00:45:12,400
People don't shouldn't care about this until we get a little closer, like let's just take it down a notch, but we are where we are, so.

598
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:25,320
Last thing I wanted to bring up is I don't know who here made it to the ZBA training at the county, but if anyone wanted to debrief on that, they felt you gave you the floor.

599
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:32,180
I enjoyed it. It was good. I really enjoyed it. It was very informational this time around.

600
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,620
Some reason. Yeah.

601
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:34,360
It was cold.

602
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:38,680
It was cold. It was cold.

603
00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:40,400
But it was good.

604
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,760
It was good.

605
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,000
Thank you for your attendance and continue training.

606
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:47,020
Thank you.

607
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,580
We appreciate it. Just make sure to keep us aware.

608
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,560
We should be at a good presence there upon the act.

609
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,740
I think we probably had the most percentage of the room filled.

610
00:45:57,580 --> 00:45:57,720
So.

611
00:45:59,100 --> 00:45:59,380
We did.

612
00:45:59,500 --> 00:45:59,660
We did.

613
00:45:59,820 --> 00:46:05,540
I love that our ZBA meeting in the month of May have had all our motions from Miss.

614
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:06,180
May.

615
00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:10,220
Nice observation.

616
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,780
That was good.

617
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Very good.

618
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,440
All right.

619
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:19,780
Any other discussions?

620
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,180
None.

621
00:46:23,020 --> 00:46:24,960
Can I get a motion to adjourn?

622
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:25,280
Sure.

623
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:28,380
So we've got a motion from Kirk and Dolph.

624
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:29,620
Second from May.

625
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:30,960
All those in favor say hi.

626
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:31,440
Hi.

627
00:46:31,540 --> 00:46:32,640
Nice to have it.

628
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,380
Have a good night.

629
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:34,440
Thank you.