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September 9th work session meeting of
the young incorporated village of Port

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Jefferson's board of trustees
uh 5:04 p.m. Clerk Pillo, can you

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confirm the presence of a quorum?
>> Thank you. Mayor Shepro,

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» present. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Juliano
>> here.

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» Thank you. Trusty Dit
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» Thank you. Trusty Franco,
>> present.

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» Thank you. Trusty Snen,
>> present.

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» Thank you. With that, mayor, we have a
quorum. We have attorney Moran and

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treasurer Gaffkco with us as well.
>> Okay, let's all stand, please, for the

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pledge of allegiance.

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» Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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So our first item on the agenda is to go
into executive session.

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Do we have a motion?
>> Motion.

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» Second.
>> All in favor?

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» I
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>> I. And the purpose is uh to discuss

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proposed pending or current litigation
pursuant to section 105 chapter 47

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article 7D of the public officer's law
and to discuss matters leading to the

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appointment or employment of a
particular person or corporation

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pursuant to section 105 chapter 47
article 7 of the public officer's law.

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Does that mean we're skipping the this
presentation or will that the one that

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appears before exec session or that be
moved?

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» There's a new agenda. The exec session
and the presentation

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were flipped. But so I think one of the
reasons we're going into executive

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session is to do something that maybe
doesn't need to be done in executive

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session. Um we're interviewing ethics
council tonight, right?

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» How many candidates do we have?
We have um I believe five mayor

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» five candidates.
>> Yes.

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» Um who are here to be interviewed
>> uh in different time time positions of

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time?
>> Yes.

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» They've been staggered. Yes.
>> Staggered. So um if any does anyone have

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objections to doing these interviews in
public?

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» I'm fine with that. Nope.
Okay. Do we have something to go into

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executive session for first?
>> Well, we do, mayor. We have two uh brief

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items.
>> Okay. Let's do that first. Okay.

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» And we'll maintain the resolution to go
into executive session. Then we'll come

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back and do our interviews.
>> Okay. We do I just want to say that we

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do have a gentleman that needed to be
interviewed at 5:00.

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» Let's go. Oh,
>> that's going first.

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» 5:00. It's
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» 507. Yeah,
>> let's let's do them first.

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» Okay,
>> Sylvia, um do you have copies of the

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resumes, hard copies,
>> or should I just pull it up on my phone?

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» Um want me to call go get them?
>> Okay.

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» I have one of each.

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» You didn't print it out. You got them,
right?

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» I have them and I have them printed at
home. I didn't bring the printed copies,

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so I didn't know if Sylvia had them
printed. I just I'm a paper person, but

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I can bring it up on my phone for now.
That's fine. I'm going to have to do the

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same.
>> Do you have the

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questionnaire, Sylvia? So, we're coming
out of executive session right now,

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right? So, do we have a motion to come
out of executive session?

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» Motion to come out of exe.
>> Second.

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» All in favor?
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» I
>> Okay, we're out of executive session at

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Yep.
>> 508. That was the quickest executive

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session we've ever had.
>> You're welcome.

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Oops.
>> Hello, sir.

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» Good afternoon. Thank you for
accommodating my schedule.

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» Thank you for accommodating our
schedule,

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» please.
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All right. So,
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we just have a set of questions. Do you
want to first introduce yourself and um

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let us know what what brought you here
today and why you're interested in this

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position? Well, my name is Kevin
Foreman. I've been a practicing attorney

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for probably more years than I care to
say, at least 38 at this point. Um,

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I'm here because one of my secretaries
is a resident and mentioned position,

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brought it to my attention. I currently
do work for Smithtown, Icelip

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defense on the defense side, or excuse
me, and um, village prosecutor for head

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of harbor and nisquad.
My practice right now um is primarily

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commercial litigation. I still do a lot
of defense, municipal defense work. On

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the rare occasion, plaintiffs work. My
experience has been malpractice, medical

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malpractice defense, dental defense. I
work for the DAS. I did work for the

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Dasis of Rockville Center
um in-house counsel for AIG.

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And like I said after this much time I
have too many things to tell you and in

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terms of my what my experience is.
>> So so based on your review of um our

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chapter 41 yes ma'am
>> ethics code how do you understand the

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role of legal counsel to the board of
ethics including the distinction between

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advising the board and exercising
authority reserved to the board itself?

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Well, as with any council, my position
is to advise. You know, whether a c

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client, whether it's municipal or not,
chooses to follow my advice. That is,

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you know, dependent upon the client and
in this case, the board. Um, I think

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quite honestly, when it comes down to
ethics, there's right and there's wrong.

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And right and wrong doesn't necessarily
mean what's best for me or you. It's

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what's right or it's wrong. Um, I like
to think of myself as somebody I don't

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and I don't mean this with any
disrespect. I don't need at this point

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in my career to do it. I'd like to be
able to give something back. Um, I've

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seen bad and I can point out a bad
attorney when I see him in court. Um, I

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know what's right. I know what's wrong.
And I will tell you if it doesn't pass

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the smell test or give that appearance
of impropriy, I'm going to bring it to

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your attention. The one thing you don't
have to worry about me, and none of my

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clients have ever complained, is I will
be forthright and honest. You may not

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like what I have to say, but I'm going
to tell you what I believe is right. And

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I will not give advice unless I'm sure
on it. You can never be 100% sure

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because there's always going to be that
malcontent or there's always going to be

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something and someone who's going to
say, "I don't care what Kev said. I

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don't care how much research he put into
something." He's he's missed the boat on

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this one. But I will tell you that
before I give an opinion, it will be

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what I believe within a reasonable
degree of certainty.

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You all can chime in on these questions
if you like.

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» I'll say the RFQ specifically requires
can confidential and independent legal

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advice.
What does independence mean to you in

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this representation? Particularly if
your legal advice differs from the

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position of the mayors, a trustee,
um a v the village attorney or another

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village official.
>> Independent to me means I don't ask

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anybody what they want to have done. If
I'm given a question or an issue that

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comes up, I'm going to deal with it. The
chips are going to fall where they may.

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I can give you an example. There is a
municipality I've done work for and I'm

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doing work for. There is a trustee on
that particular in that particular

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municipality.
Um, from what I understand, the person

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is quite a malcontent.
I was confronted by their attorney on a

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violation that was issued to them. And
because, you know, they're on the board

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and he's the attorney. Well, Kev, I was
kind of looking for a conditional

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discharge. And quite honestly, I said,
"You can look all you want." I said,

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"But you know better than I do. This
particular trustee gets a deal different

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than what everybody else gets. It'll cut
through the village like a hot knife

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through butter, and you're going to lose
all sorts of credibility with the rest

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of their residents." I hope that answers
your question. I don't I marched to my

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own drum. If anybody wants a yes, man,
I'll tell you right now, I'm not that

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person.

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So, let me ask you a question without
going into detail. Have you ever

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represented anybody on this on this
board?

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» No. Thank you.
>> No, I can say no. I did disclose that my

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son, I believe, covered the um village
prosecutor for Dave on on occasion sack

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forman.
>> Oh, yeah.

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» And you know that.
>> Yeah. Okay. But I I would be a hypocrite

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if I didn't disclose that when I sent in
the resume. I felt it was important.

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Look, I'm not a choir boy. Don't get me
wrong, but you know, if that's the way

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that's the position, I have no problem
telling you. The answer to your question

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is no. But my son was here. He's no
longer doing it. He's got two kids and

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it the time constraints just didn't work
for him anymore.

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» But your son didn't represent anybody
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» No, absolutely not. No.
>> Kevin, nice to meet you.

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» Pleasure.
Kev, I think I think what the board is

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really looking for is someone to call
balls and strikes, right? If it's a

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strike, it's a strike. If it's a ball,
it's a ball. Uh I think that's what you

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know, and take what we have in the eth
code, ethics code. If there's a

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violation that comes uh to the
committee, and they have some questions

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to present to you. Really, what we're
looking for is balls and strikes. That's

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it.
>> Oh, that I think I can do that. I I

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don't want I don't think I can do it. I
will do that. And I I don't h I'm not

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beholden to anyone. I will tell you
right now, I am the most a-olitical

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person you'll ever meet. I I don't rub
elbows. I'm not really, you know, a

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member. I shouldn't say that. I am
Republican. I'll tell you that right

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now. But I don't go to fundraisers. I'm
not one of these dropping, you know,

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donations or anything else. I have
gotten the work that I got from

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Smithtown by virtue of my the quality of
my work. I they reached out to me, you

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know, and I will tell you this, I'm old
school. You usually need a rabbi to get

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that kind of work. Anybody who knows
that they're getting municipal work.

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They know somebody. I just it was my
reputation. When the the prior office I

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was with, we handled the work for
Smithtown. Um I was the senior guy at

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the time is going back more years than I
care to say, but it came to me when I

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left. I left without reaching out to it.
What's yours is yours. What's mine is

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mine. But I'll say probably eight to
year eight years later or so after I was

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gone, I ran into someone and asked me if
I was interested and I was like I'll

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leave my exact language, you know, to
the side, but absolutely.

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» Mr. Foreman, thank you.
>> Kevin, please. I look for my father.

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Whenever I hear Mr. Foreman, I still
look for my father.

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» Um, you mentioned that your secretary
notified you of the position. Does she

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in fact have any um relations with any
members of the board or

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» Not that I'm aware of. I did ask. Okay.
>> I did ask

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» um she just mentioned to me I think she
you have a Facebook page.

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» I'm you can take this anyway. I have no
social presence. So she had brought that

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to my attention. That's how I found out
about it.

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» Okay.

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And actually this particular secretary
does my real estate so it's not this not

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be up in her wheelhouse.
>> Is she a resident or are you a resident?

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» I believe she's resident of Port Jeff,
>> right? I from what I understand I have

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never driven by her house but you would
know it if you passed it.

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» Okay.
>> It's somewhat decorative.

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» That just is just sparking curiosity in
everyone now. Look at me. Everybody's on

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the edge.
>> Now we want to know, but we're not going

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to ask. We will maintain her privacy.
>> I'll text her. Ask if it's okay. I'll

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come back and tell you.
>> So, ethics matters can involve sensitive

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allegations and significant reputational
interests. How would you advise the

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board to protect confidentiality,
attorney client privilege, and due

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process while complying with applicable
New York law?

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Well, don't disclose anything until you
speak to me, you know, and and then we

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would look at it and um certainly limit
the access to it. If it's a board issue,

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then of course the board members would
be um have access to it. But you

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certainly want to limit who can see it
until there's an ultimate determination.

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Today, people want to shoot first and
then, oh, I'm sorry, I shot the wrong

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person. You know, that it becomes a real
issue. That's true. You need to, you

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know, get your ducks in a row
>> and Okay. I can only tell you from some

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of the employment law that I've done,
document, document, document, and then

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if you have enough, then you can drop
your hammer.

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» But until that point, you're only buying
yourself a lawsuit.

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» Have you had the opportunity to review
our ethics ethics code

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» briefly? But I will tell you when I
looked at it, when I first sent over the

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resume, um, to me it was standard. I I
you know, again, not a choir boy, but

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it's pretty standard stuff. You know, I
don't I've never understood the

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difficulty between doing right and
wrong. If it doesn't pass the test, you

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know, come on.
>> I you know, that's like my grandson

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looking at me and saying, you know, yes,
you smile, give me a kiss, I'll let you

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get it away with it. Not here, but at
home, it's a different story.

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» Thank you.

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All right, I'll read the next one. Uh,
assume an ethics complaint is filed

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involving village official with whom you
have or your firm has had prior

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professional personal relationship,
which I don't think you've have. Um,

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what steps would you take before
advising the board on that matter? first

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as I bring it to your attention and more
than likely step aside,

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you know, because again, as an attorney,
and I know it's, you know, in the book

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and but I honestly believe it
wholeheartedly, the appearance of

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impropriety. But once you, an old
expression, you lay down with dogs, you

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come up with fleas. I'm not, you know,
I've worked too hard to be where I am at

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this point in my career to screw it up
because, you know, something silly like

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that. I've I've I was actually called by
another attorney, needs me to cover

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something. And I was very flattered and
I said, "Well, let me ask you a

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question." The first question I asked,
"Who is it? What is it? And let me ask

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who the arbitrator is." And she goes,
"Why?" I said, "Because you know, I've

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done this a long time and I've pissed
off some people. So, if I've pissed off

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this particular arbitrator, you
certainly don't want me covering it for

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you because I'll become more of a
problem than the benefit."

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So I mean it's it it's never and I say
this it sounds no it's not the money

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it's my reputation and at close to 40
years you know if Dave talks to my son

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everybody my son will tell you exactly
what I told him how he better act out in

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court.

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Is there anything about our chapter 41
code that um or about our uh village the

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village ethics process council's role or
the structure of the engagement that you

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believe warrants particular attention?
>> No. And honestly I have not looked at it

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that close to make a comment on that. I
could sit here and you know come up with

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some boilerplate answer but I haven't
looked at it that close to make a

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comment as to whether or not there are
procedural changes or anything else that

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should be done. And if I go in with a
preconceived notion, I don't think it'll

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serve anybody.
>> And there's a process already set up. Um

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it's it's been established the ethics
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working group uh that are are appointed.
So and really it's more of advise and

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consent like they're going to ask you
your advice on on a particular issue

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whether it stands up under our ethics
code. So I mean and I agree with you. I

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think not not having delved into it
completely gives you like a a free hand

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to walk in there and say
>> well there I can tell you with um some

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of the municipal codes um on the on the
liability aspect of it there are certain

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what they call the shifting statutes
where and again village I'm sure has it

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and I know Dave shaking it his head he
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where your you know your resident or the
budding land owner is somewhat

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responsible but it doesn't necessarily
mean they're liable they may have to fix

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a sidewalk. They may have to clean it,
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when I brought that up to one of the
municipalities, it was a political

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issue. We don't like to, you know,
charge our, you know, residents and

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whoever would change that would be a
persona nonrada. I I get that.

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» What's your level of a availability? Um,
I'm assuming that you would be available

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for the formal uh meetings, but for
questions, for concerns that may come up

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during the regular course of business,
would you be available to take a phone

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call and email?
>> I that's why, you know, the beauty of my

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my my house and I'm sorry, my girls, you
know, they're my girls and my age and

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older, right? They're my girls. Um, they
have access to everything. Um, my email

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basically when I was sitting downstairs,
I was responding to clients now. So, in

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terms of availability, 247. I had a
client call me two weeks ago, a young

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gentleman, sle proprietor, got his own
business going on, but he's he knows

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he's about to get stuck. So, he called
me up in a panic and he's a very

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apologetic. Kev, I'm sorry. It's Sunday.
It's Sunday. Okay, Grant. I don't care

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what's the, you know, what's the
problem. So, I'm available. Um, in terms

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of scheduling it, like I said, today I
have Nissqu, next week I have Head of

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the Harbor. I don't know what your
schedule is. I I didn't look. I'm not

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going to be presumptuous to say, "Okay,
let me set my whole schedule to it." Um,

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but what you know, I I I dictate my
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» So, if there's something that's needed,
I said, "Okay, Denise, put this to the

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side." You know, I'm put me out. I'm
going to be over the village.

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» Okay. Kev, I just have a question. Do Do
you live in the village?

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» No.
>> Okay.

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» No. there. My running joke with, you
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they won't let me in. I'm in a different
tax bracket.

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» But your practice with them is as
village council.

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» Um, no, village prosecutor. There was a
couple years back um again there the the

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it was head of the harbor the the town
attorney well I should say the village

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attorney um was Anthony Tutill I don't
know if Anthony done has done work up

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here but um somewhere along the line we
had a case together and I impressed

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Anthony and he referred um work to
>> good for you it's not an easy thing to

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do
>> I I was flat I mean like I said I'm

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doing it a long time I get a
>> one of the best

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» I get a phone call from the gentleman
I'm like and he's ke I loved your

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papers. I loved your papers. He says,
"You really ripped it." And I'm like,

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"Thanks, Anthony. I I didn't know how to
respond." Nobody No one has ever said,

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you know, a nice job. But he was
impressed. And um he sent the case to us

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or to the office because of me. And and
we handled um that was a special counsel

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arrangement. Uh and and I I always say
this, I don't try to stick my finger in

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anybody else's pie. If Anony's work,
it's Anony's work. There are other

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attorneys that you know I get work from.
I make it clear from the beginning

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that's theirs. Before you come to me,
you get the okay from my contact or our

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mutual friend. It's just again the way I
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» Okay.

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» Anyone else? Any other questions?
>> Fee structure.

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» Fee structure. All right. Well, you want
me to tell you what my normal hourly

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rate is for my commercial clients or
what I do for municipalities?

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» So, my normal hourly rate for commercial
clients is 750 an hour. All right. I I

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know that is not going to float with any
municipality. I generally do depending

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upon what it is. I can tell you what I
you know do for uh Nissag and Edit

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Harbor. I am per presently $400 per
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and then my outside rate it currently I
think 300 it it'll probably be going up

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to 350 at the end next year.

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Interestingly enough Oldfield was was
paying their village prosecutor 375 an

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hour outside court for time. I happened
to look it up and they thought my 350

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» Anybody else?
>> Good.

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» Well, thank you so much for have a good
day, Kev.

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» Thank you for coming. Thank you for
coming early. Number

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two is downstairs. I don't know if he's
off.

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» The second interview is here.
>> Uhhuh.

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» Take care. Thank you again. Thank you.
>> Yeah, I think so.

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» Just keep going.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay. Why don't we do that?

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» Yes, Kevin. Please send them up.
>> Can I

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» Do you have those documents?
>> Yeah.

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» More papers.
>> We need I'm all over it. I'll put it

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back on. Two microphones. That's a lot
for you.

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» I thought you had a whole stack.
>> Oh, look at that.

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» It was five candidates. Five people have
to hold the microphone.

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» Uh, Fallon

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I forgot.
>> I like this stuff.

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» Come on up.
>> Hello.

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» Hello.

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» Wow.

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» We're just waiting for the clerk to come
back.

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» Of course. Um, may I hand out a copy of
my resume, please?

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So I brought here.

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» It's like your MC Jagger. You have to
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» I have I have that right now.
>> Is there enough or I I have one extra

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fine.
>> There's five of us. So that's perfect.

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Not fallen.
>> That's not Fallen, though.

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Oh, you guys aren't kidding.
>> Ben, how do you pronounce your last

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name?
>> My last name, uh, it's a bullet.

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» I had it right.
>> Yes, it's a it's actually soft egg. But

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in
>> my You are right.

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» So, it's actually pronounced a bullet.
It's Turkish, but in growing up here, if

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uh assimilated to a bullet.
>> Got it.

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» Yeah.
>> All right. That's the first one we got.

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» Feels so special. I got a special
microphone.

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» All right. While we're waiting for the
clerk, what how'd you find out about

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this?
>> Actually, uh, I found out through

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Facebook. There was a Facebook ad and I
thought it was a joke at first and then

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when I clicked through, um, I it
actually led to the Port Jefferson

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website and, uh, it was a real deal. So
I I sent an email and uh next thing you

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know I'm here. So something I always
wanted to do and uh I thank you all for

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having me tonight actually.
>> So thank you for coming.

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» Of course.

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» So just by way of introductions on Mayor
Shepro.

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» Yes.
>> This is Deputy Mayor Trustee Bob

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Giuliano.
>> Yes.

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» Trustee Snen.
>> Trusty Franco. Trusty Dit. This is

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village attorney David Moran. This is
our uh treasurer, Stephen Gaffka.

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» It's a pleasure to meet you.
>> He often has that uh confused look on

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his face when he's
>> so don't be surprised by

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» I'm just curious why you you didn't put
your law school in your education.

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» Well, uh very good question. It it's
because uh the way I became an attorney

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was under the clerkship practice. So, uh
clerkship, uh there are multiple ways to

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become admitted to the bar under this
route. Uh it's also known as the Lincoln

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way of doing things. uh you go to one
year of law school. I went to New

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England School of Law and then you
practice under a a an attorney for three

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and a half years and then you become
eligible to to take the bar exam. So in

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this in my instance uh I practice under
my father. The deal we had is he'll

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employ me minimum wage for for three and
a half years and I'll learn the lay of

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the land and then I could take the bar
exam. uh being a lawyer, you don't

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really have a business to give someone,
but you have a practice and a skill you

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could give to somebody. So, that's
basically the deal we had, and it kind

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of set me free. A right after I passed
the bar, I hit the ground running and uh

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started my own practice,

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» of course.

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Well, um she'll be back momentarily, so
we might as well continue.

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» What What do you feel you bring to um
the village of Port Jefferson for this

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particular position? You read the ethics
code chapter 41.

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» Yes. Yes. Uh I even have a copy of it
right here. So been uh reading that all

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day.
>> So uh the

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I I actually prepared a small statement
if if I may read that. Um uh the most I

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I bring both sides of what this role
needs. That's legal judgment and local

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roots. Uh professionally I've been
practicing for 12 years advertising my

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practice as criminal defense and traffic
tickets. Unofficially for 10 years I've

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been doing immigration and transaction
law. And that has been solely for

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returning clients. So for the past 10
years, clients have been coming back and

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keeping me afloat because they trust me.
And that has built a foundation in how

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to handle sensitive information. You
know, when clients come and confide in

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you in their certain situations, you
have to be able to tell them what's

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going to work and what's not going to
work and what's going to really not work

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and put them in in in trouble. you know,
whether it's putting them out of status

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in in their immigration sense or going
to be even worse off like, you know, put

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them in some sort of deportation
proceeding or you don't want to give bad

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information cuz the consequences are
more than just, you know, you're going

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to go to jail, you're going to sep ruin
your family, you're going to leave the

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country. So, um, that's something that
I' I've been doing for for 10 years. Um,

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in terms of legal judgment, I' i've been
a lawyer. In terms of local roots, I've

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grown up on Long Island. I I I've went
to Stonybrook, completed my

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undergraduate. Uh, I met my wife there,
and I've uh went back to finish my

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master's degree just a couple years ago
in uh public policy administration,

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basically local government. And um I
don't know if you guys are familiar with

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uh the late Lee Lee Coppelman. He was a
huge proponent of land use and he set up

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a lot of what we see here today. I was
one of his understudies. So I got a very

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good understanding of how how local
government works. This here today is my

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first step into local government after
I've you know settled my life down, had

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my children, paid off my loans, and now
I put myself here wanting to get into

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into local government. I live in the
neighborhood. I live in Eastatalkit and

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um
it's it's really uh I think this

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position fits the nature of what I'm
looking for on on a practical level as

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well. Um there are a lot of district
attorney positions you could take, a lot

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of, you know, judgeships you could apply
for. This one being a contract position,

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I think fits in line with what I'm
looking for. being able to balance my my

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home responsibilities, my professional
responsibilities and my responsibilities

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to here. So, um that's why I think it it
would be a good fit to be honest.

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» How how do you understand the role of
legal counsel to the board of ethics

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» in terms of
>> in terms of what the role is for

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» advising and counseling ethics board
members and the board to do what they

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need to do. So my understanding is it's
to be an independent mind. Give your

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opinion and where the
where the ethics lead might differ from

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what the reality is and it's to
highlight that difference when when

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you're when somebody comes to you or you
have to issue an opinion. So, uh, my my

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goal is to be forthright and tell them
what I believe and what the ethics code

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states should be. So, what I believe and
what I think is not always what is real

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and in front of me. However much I will
it, the what is true is what is there.

410
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:56,159
So, my my job is to make sure that the
board un understands that position. So,

411
00:30:53,600 --> 00:31:01,039
it's it's a position of trust. And it's
a position that when you look back

412
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:07,440
that's that's what was you know we hold
these truths to be self-evident. Well my

413
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:10,240
goal is to help show that is true.
Um I hope that answered your question.

414
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,240
» It does.
>> Yeah.

415
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:21,039
» So let me ask the same question I asked
and I'll ask all all the candidates. Um

416
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,080
have you ever represented anybody on the
board here?

417
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,080
» No.
>> Okay.

418
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:29,200
And not knowing the members of the
ethics board, as far as you know, you've

419
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:34,080
never represented anybody from
>> to the best of my knowledge, I have not

420
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:39,279
um I haven't appeared here in in this
forum. Um I I've explicitly tried to

421
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:45,760
avoid that. So when I do get into it, I
am, you know, I can affirmatively say

422
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:49,320
that. Okay. Thank you.
Can you guys see?

423
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:59,440
So
what experience do you have? Um whether

424
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:04,320
it so you you didn't you don't have
college experience or coursework that

425
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:12,720
you took ethics classes in college. What
experience do you have um

426
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:18,559
that would apply to this position?
So in in terms of uh coursework uh in

427
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:21,279
the master's program, ethics is
something that's overarching between

428
00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:27,919
them when you're trying to evaluate
policy. So uh one of the key courses and

429
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:32,240
we're talking five years ago um the
intergovernmental relations and policy

430
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:36,399
delivery has loads of ethics because you
have to be sensitive to people's

431
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:42,000
positions to understand and form and
advise on policy what will work in

432
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:47,279
another local like whether it's another
village or or another jurisdiction. So

433
00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:54,960
not all policy works in in any other
place. Um in terms of uh in in in terms

434
00:32:52,880 --> 00:33:00,600
of
other coursework

435
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,600
the

436
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:10,480
when you are in training to be a lawyer
meaning in law school the the core

437
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:15,760
» classes you have to take one of them is
ethics in your first 1L year they hammer

438
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:19,919
home ethics and there is a ethics
component to becoming an attorney. the

439
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:26,080
the model rule of ethics exam you have
to pass. Yes, that was 12 13 years ago

440
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:30,720
but it is a standard that is applied
before becoming admitted to practice

441
00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:34,600
law. So um there was some academic
training there you know

442
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:45,440
so ethics matters uh can involve
sensitive allegations and significant

443
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:49,120
reputational interests. How would you
advise the board to protect

444
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:55,960
confidentiality, attorney client
privilege, and due process while

445
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:55,960
complying with applicable New York laws?

446
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:03,360
» So, to to comply with rules of ethics,
um the the first the first thing that

447
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,760
you
the first place you look is the the

448
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:13,520
general municipal law that outlines the
the ethics in terms of New York State.

449
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:17,679
Then you come back down to the local
level, the village code of ethics that

450
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:22,879
outlines what you can and can't do
broadly speaking. Uh I'm sorry, broadly

451
00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:26,399
speaking. And then uh there's the common
law ethics, which all three of those

452
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:30,720
together, they form the the the
three-step test to outline which way you

453
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:35,119
should be heading in. And of course
there's always standards but the the

454
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:41,760
standard I believe the the village uses
I think in section

455
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:46,800
section one is clear and reasonable for
ethics. So if what is being told is not

456
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:52,480
justified in a clear and reasonable
manner then you really don't have much

457
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:56,879
to to go on. You know you could state
that that conduct is not ethical.

458
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,720
you know, uh, being a lawyer, that's,
you know, there's all different types of

459
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:06,520
standards and, uh, clear and reasonable,
um, is something that we work with all

460
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,520
the time. You know,

461
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:18,240
» if you're advising the ethics board, um,
and they sort of

462
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:23,440
get off the path, how would you re them
back in?

463
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:27,920
So, uh, first my first step would be to
informally talk to them. You know, tell

464
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:32,480
them what I believe that there's maybe
some something that's not right there.

465
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:36,079
It doesn't feel right. And then if that
continues or there is no change or

466
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,839
there's a complaint that's filed about
it, then you have to actually take the

467
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:45,200
steps of seeing all right, what is this
ethics violation? You know, uh, where

468
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:49,359
does which section does this violate?
Because something doesn't sit right.

469
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:54,480
It's it's within your w within inside
you in terms of standards. You can feel

470
00:35:51,520 --> 00:36:01,920
when ethics are involved and that that
are not right. So um

471
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:05,760
the second step would would be to to
issue some formal warning or tell the

472
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:11,359
board about you know the conduct that's
going on there and then it the the the

473
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,640
village has to take action whether
that's starting from me or whether

474
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:20,440
that's starting from the actual ethics
board. That's something that would be

475
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,440
decided, you know, between them.

476
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,960
» And I'm gonna say uh the same thing like
Bob, I'm gonna say the same thing to

477
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:29,119
each candidate.
>> Sure.

478
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,760
» What this board is looking for, and I'm
going to say it again, is someone to

479
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,400
call balls and strikes, right?
>> Yeah. Of course.

480
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:39,280
» Strike is a strike, a ball is a ball.
All the gray, let's just get rid of it

481
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,839
and comply with our ethics code. I mean,
that's all this board is really looking

482
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:44,800
for.
>> Of course,

483
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:51,119
» someone to be straightforward. If the
committee um has an has a question, you

484
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:54,560
know, and they're right, tell them
they're right. If they're wrong, explain

485
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,640
to them why they aren't. Maybe explain
both ways. That's what the board's

486
00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:03,200
looking for.
>> So, life is rarely that clear. I mean,

487
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:06,960
uh we're mired in things that are just
on the line.

488
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:13,680
» So, uh if you want to see a certain
position a certain way, that's how that

489
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:20,480
is viewed. But there are metrics and and
and standards to help guide you in that.

490
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:26,400
So what I would reference is the the
three-step test that was in the advisory

491
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,680
opinion from last year. Um there was a
whole controversy with the school and a

492
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,839
statement. Um I think it's advisory
opinion 101. They outlined there. went

493
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:39,680
through some headache to set up a
three-step test that references uh

494
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:44,240
general municipal law section 18 and
then this code of ethics here uh for the

495
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:51,920
village and then common law code of
ethics. If it fits into those then it's

496
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:57,280
it's it's by by uh by law ethical
but um again my own opinion doesn't

497
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:03,119
always align with what those ethics are.
But it I would make sure to outline both

498
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:09,200
of those and give my own recommendation
based on that.

499
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:13,119
Yeah. Um but on on a personal level just
like you know that that is my like

500
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:17,200
official position but like it is
difficult to call balls and strikes. Um

501
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:21,599
sometimes they're clear but oftent times
they're not. So if you have to shoot by

502
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:28,240
the hip, you call it as you believe it
to be. And you most of the time you aim

503
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:32,160
to get it right and you do. Will you get
it perfect? No. And I don't think that

504
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:36,640
you should think that you're going to be
perfect because you will make mistakes

505
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:41,760
and that's okay. Um, you know, you have
to always be improving. That would be my

506
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:46,720
goal at least.
Do you or your firm have um have any

507
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,960
current or prior professional,
financial, political, personal, or other

508
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,880
relationships involving the village of
Port Jefferson, its elected officials,

509
00:38:52,720 --> 00:39:00,240
employees, board of ethics members,
candidates for village office or

510
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:04,560
political organizations that could
create an actual conflict or the

511
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,000
appearance of one?
>> Not to my knowledge. I've never been

512
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,160
involved with the with the
>> if if that came up, how would you handle

513
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:17,119
it? If that became an issue, how would
you how would you handle it?

514
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:22,640
» Uh on a practical level, uh whatever
issue was in front of me, I would recuse

515
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:27,440
myself. Um and state the reason why and
let the board members understand why

516
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:31,680
that is. Um assuming that that happens.
On a more general level, if that was the

517
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:36,160
case where I can't go on, then I would
have to withdraw my position and and

518
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:41,680
state to the board of trustees and the
other board of ethics why that is. I

519
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:47,400
don't see that that is to be the case.
However, it can always happen. You know,

520
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:47,400
I can't predict the future.

521
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:05,359
Let's assume an ethics complaint is
filed involving a village official with

522
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:10,000
whom you or your firm has had a prior
professional or personal relationship.

523
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:15,760
You already answered that question.
>> I would I would tell every I would tell

524
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:20,640
the board. I would tell you the mayor
and

525
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:24,400
» but let's say it comes up um with a a
village official with whom you don't

526
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:29,280
have a professional relationship what
would your process be there

527
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:36,000
» so if I don't have a professional
relationship with them then the

528
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:40,320
uh just to just to clarify uh what is my
basis of recusing myself or the conflict

529
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,680
if I've never had a relationship with
them

530
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:46,720
» um I I wouldn't feel inclined to to
recuse myself if I don't have a

531
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:51,920
relationship with them. Then I would
move forward with my duties in trying to

532
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:57,200
sort out the ethical issues, the
quandries that are there and try to

533
00:40:54,240 --> 00:41:01,280
break them down to the board until they
understand, you know, why it's an

534
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:07,240
ethical violation and uh what needs to
change to make it in compliance.

535
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,240
» Okay.

536
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,560
» So, it seems like you've done your
research. I know you have the you know

537
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:19,440
yeah it's you seem to be pretty
knowledgeable. Um, so is there anything

538
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:23,839
about the village's ethics process,
council's role, or the structure of the

539
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:29,280
engagement that you believe warrants
particular in attention? Like anything

540
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:34,079
jump out at you?
>> I mean, small things, nothing major. Uh,

541
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,920
overall the the code of ethics is
written very well. If our federal

542
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:42,000
government followed this, we wouldn't be
in the mess that we're in today. Mhm.

543
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:47,280
» And I I firmly believe that because it
covers a lot of the basis of you know

544
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:54,079
conflict. So uh can it cover everything?
No. But uh the you know I I do think

545
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:58,319
there should be a section added for the
the changing in technology. I think

546
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:02,720
there should be some sort of addendum
added to include artificial

547
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:08,240
intelligence. Um I think that's
something that I have a lot of

548
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:12,160
experience with. um been involved with
artificial intelligence and they just

549
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:17,440
working with it for about 7 years now
since its very inception. So I

550
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,480
understand how that's going to cause
issues and I think I could bring that to

551
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:26,160
the board. You know
>> in what way is AI becoming a ethical

552
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:32,000
» because it's becoming harder and harder
to tell what's real.

553
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:36,079
you you look at something online, is it
you used to be shown a photo and you

554
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:39,680
could take that at face value? You don't
know that that's real or not,

555
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:44,400
» you know, or people will come to you
with a complaint that is based not in

556
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:48,400
reality, but something that they saw
online. So, it's it's a second degree

557
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:54,160
removed and parsing that out and
deescalating that is super important.

558
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:58,800
Um, and a lot of people, you know, they
just say it's a computer when it's it's

559
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:03,200
much more than just a computer, you
know. Uh, so it's gonna something that's

560
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:07,200
going to impact us all. And being
prepared for that, I think is helpful,

561
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:10,839
you know, or at least being aware of it,
cognizant of it.

562
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:19,440
» And do you have anyone in your firm that
does the work with you for you or is it

563
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:24,560
is it
>> No. Um I'm I'm a solo practitioner. I I

564
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:34,160
work with my father u from time to time.
Uh he's a practicing attorney for uh 40

565
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:38,000
wow uh 42 years now. Um and uh he does a
lot of immigration work. So uh we work

566
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:42,400
on a lot of things together and he's my
reference when whenever I get stuck or

567
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:46,880
or something of that like um and he's
probably one of the most ethical people

568
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:50,880
I know. So he's one of my confidants. So
I trust his judgment greatly.

569
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,839
What would be the fee structure
>> in terms of of uh

570
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:02,640
» that you would charge the village right?
>> Oh um honestly I did not have uh

571
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:06,640
anything I I was hoping the the village
had an idea already

572
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:11,119
» and that's something that's to be
negotiated. I'm I'm not you know this

573
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:16,560
isn't something that I I'm I'm going to
retire on. I'm I'm well aware of that.

574
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:21,440
And um my my my goal like I said from
the outset is to to get involved with

575
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,880
the village and this is my way to do it.
So honestly I don't know.

576
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:29,040
» You would do it for free.
>> Great.

577
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:33,280
» I mean in so like everyone here there is
some extent that you have to put in uh

578
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:38,160
some sort of equity which is not
measurable. So nobody ever feels like

579
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:44,240
they earned what they were paid. They
were you know earned a lot more. So that

580
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:47,040
uh you know that's a shared feeling. So
whether I'll do it for free, it feels

581
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:50,560
like you're for free even though you're
getting paid because you're doing more.

582
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:54,319
You're putting actual effort into it and
that's something you know you feel.

583
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:59,920
» I was kidding.
>> Oh well, you know somewhat I thought it

584
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,280
was a great idea.
>> No good.

585
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:07,359
» You get what you pay for. You get what
you pay for. Yeah.

586
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:13,359
» What is your availability? Um other than
attending uh the ethics board meetings

587
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,400
during the day, questions, concerns, um
responding to emails, what would be your

588
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:21,440
day-to-day availability?
>> So, uh my my busiest hour is between 9

589
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:25,839
and 12. Um that's when I do my court
appearances, whether it's in in Nassau

590
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:30,240
district or Suffach District. Um, but
I'm still available in those time frames

591
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:34,079
as well, too, because the the moments
which you're engaged are only, you know,

592
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:39,040
10 minutes at a time or 15 minutes at a
time. So, if something urgent is is

593
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:45,200
necessary, I'm I'm available. Um, I I
live nearby, so I always frequent uh the

594
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:49,920
village, I am available
you usually in the toward the evenings,

595
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:54,319
I'm I'm a lot more available. um during
the day is is the private practice, but

596
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,240
that's where you get a lot of your life
things done as well, too. So,

597
00:45:56,319 --> 00:45:59,839
» um I make sure to have make time for
everything.

598
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,000
» Thank you.
>> Of course.

599
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,800
» Anything else you want to add to uh
>> I have a question for the village.

600
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:17,680
» Okay.
I been following the issue with the sign

601
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:23,920
on the steam room and that's what
actually got me to this scene

602
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:28,480
» and um I I I had a moment to to talk to
you during a farmers market. You were uh

603
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,640
I I it was I don't know if it was last
fall but

604
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:35,200
» the DRI
>> I probably all I know is uh when we

605
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:42,160
discussed
that's what actually was the tipping

606
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:46,319
point for Okay. Um, it's, you know, that
conversation just is put a little spark

607
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,079
in me to to actually get the courage to
be here today.

608
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,240
» What did I tell you?
>> I mean, that you were actually doing

609
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:53,359
something about it.
>> Oh, okay.

610
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:56,240
» And like it it wasn't lost on you.
>> Mhm.

611
00:46:53,760 --> 00:47:00,720
» Because like you go down the road and
you see a blatant violation of town

612
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:05,280
code. Like it doesn't matter the content
of the sign.

613
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:11,920
At least uh you you guys were aware of
it. And like that to me made me feel a

614
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:16,880
lot better because it it it appears that
nobody was doing anything.

615
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:22,079
» But that wasn't true. And and that
resolved a lot of my frustration.

616
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:27,760
» So and that's what got me to here today
because like you know that means you do

617
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:30,720
see things you do want change. So then I
want to be part of that.

618
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:33,040
» We won that case, right?
>> I don't think so.

619
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,640
» No.
>> Depends on which case you're talking

620
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,440
about.
>> Yeah. Oh well. Uh, all the last I read,

621
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:44,400
» the first one before I got here was a a
loss of trial and an appeal filed in the

622
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:48,400
village. The second one was a plea.
>> Understood. Um, I thought there was some

623
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,200
sort of first amendment type of thing
there.

624
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,839
» That was the that was before uh the
current attorney and I were on the

625
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:59,440
board. Yeah.
>> And uh but our strategy was a little

626
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,400
different and the uh defendant took a
plea.

627
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:08,480
» Fair enough. just, you know, it's it's
good to know that it it is, you know,

628
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,880
other people aside from me see these
things and they feel them, but they

629
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:17,359
don't say anything and it it adds up,
you know.

630
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,599
» So, but but I I do thank you guys, you
know. I thank you guys very much.

631
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,119
» Thank you so much.
>> Of course.

632
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:26,720
» Thank you for your time.
>> I'm glad the conversation had an impact.

633
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:29,800
» And I'll take that. Thank you.
>> All right.

634
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,920
Thanks again.
>> Thank you, Ben.

635
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,920
» Bye.
>> Bye.

636
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:48,280
» Do we know if another candidate is here?
>> Downstairs.

637
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,280
» Check downstairs.

638
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:57,040
» Yeah, we need more. We all need more.
>> Send the whole pile. We'll take three

639
00:48:54,880 --> 00:49:00,040
each.
Here

640
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,319
you go.

641
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,079
» Hello.
>> Hi.

642
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:20,000
Take a pass. Take a bunch.
>> I don't need them. I'm doing my own

643
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,880
notes.
>> Oh, okay.

644
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:25,880
» But thank you. I have them for
reference.

645
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,599
Hello. Good evening.
>> Good evening.

646
00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:45,760
» Um, just we'll start with an
introduction of who you're sitting in

647
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:50,960
front of today. I'm the mayor Shepro.
Uh, this is uh deputy mayor and trustee

648
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Bob Giuliano, trustee Kathy Anne Snen,
trustee Matthew Franco, and trustee

649
00:49:52,640 --> 00:50:01,040
Randy Dit. We have our village attorney,
David Moran. Our village clerk, Sylvia

650
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:04,160
Pillo, and treasurer, Steven Gaffka. The
trustees will be asking you questions

651
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,040
tonight. Sure. So, do you want to
introduce yourself and let us know why

652
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:09,839
you're here tonight and what what
brought you here?

653
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:15,599
» So, my name is Tim Fallon.
>> Oh, sorry. Closer. Okay. I'm Tim Fallon.

654
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:20,400
Um, I've been attorney for about 15
years. I'm Port Jeff Village resident.

655
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,720
Um, here to interview for the position
of councel to the board of ethics. Um, I

656
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,319
think it's something that, you know,
would allow me to have an opportunity to

657
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:33,440
kind of give back to the community that
I would serve in a uh a way that would

658
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:38,160
allow my talents to help the village
and, you know, I'd look forward for the

659
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:44,400
opportunity to do that.
>> Okay. Um can you just briefly describe

660
00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:49,280
uh the experience which mo most directly
qualifies you to serve as legal counsel

661
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:54,000
to the board of ethics in Port Jefferson
particularly your experience with

662
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:56,720
municipal ethics New York municipal law
conflicts of interest or ethics

663
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,960
investigations?
>> Sure. So I don't have any direct

664
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:06,000
professional experience in those areas.
Um however I would uh you know my

665
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:12,559
experience in dealing with different
phases of litigation, research of legal

666
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:17,760
issues, um applying you know factual
problems to you know various

667
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:20,640
regulations, case law, um researching
different legal problems. All of those

668
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:26,400
things come up in my practice
continually. Um you know my primary I'm

669
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:30,880
primarily a litigator. Um, majority of
my practice is in matrimonial and family

670
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:34,000
law, but I do also represent clients in,
you know, numerous types of civil

671
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:38,720
matters, including contracts disputes,
contract disputes, commercial

672
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:44,319
litigation, real estate litigation. Um
so you know the it comes down to being

673
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:49,200
able to uh identify what the legal
question is in any type of legal

674
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:54,720
situation, identifying uh you know the
appropriate uh applicable

675
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,920
uh statutes or case law that are
relevant to the problem and offering

676
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:01,440
your advice and interpretation of those
as it applies to the situation. I think

677
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:05,040
those, you know, are applicable across
many areas of the law. And frankly, I

678
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:10,800
think that a diverse experience, you
know, gives a broader context of my

679
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:14,800
ability to offer uh advice in in in that
role to the board uh as it relates to

680
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:19,440
real life problems. So, you know, in my
everyday practice, I'm constantly doing

681
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:24,400
that, identifying issues, researching
how those issues and facts are have been

682
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:28,480
applied to the law, which statutes are
applicable to that, and then, uh,

683
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:32,880
incorporating that into, you know,
written documents, briefs, memorandums,

684
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:36,960
that kind of stuff. Um, I'm a great
researcher. Um, during my time at

685
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:41,520
Hopster Law School, I was a senior
research editor. So that's really my

686
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:46,160
forte is diving into um getting that
information from various sources, coming

687
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:50,880
up with uh creative solutions to complex
problems and and you know sort of

688
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:58,599
synthesizing that into something that
everybody can digest and and uh be

689
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,599
guided by in a in this kind of format.

690
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:04,160
» How did you find out about the position?
>> Facebook.

691
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,520
» Oh, okay. Wow.
>> Three for three.

692
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,800
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

693
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:13,839
» It's amazing. Um and can you just
describe uh what you understand to be

694
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:17,839
your role as legal counsel to the board
of eth ethics?

695
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:21,760
» Sure. So uh from what I understand
basically uh as counsel to the board of

696
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,800
ethics, I'd be there to guide and offer
a legal perspective to the problems that

697
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:28,880
are being faced by the board. somebody
files a complaint related to an ethical

698
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:34,160
issue having to do with an officer,
trustee or or other uh village

699
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:38,079
personnel. Um obviously the board meets
and considers that type of that

700
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:43,760
complaint. Uh I would assume then the
council's job would be to identify the

701
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:48,559
applicable um uh code of ethics section
uh relevant case law, municipal law that

702
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:52,319
relates to the issue uh that's been
presented to the board and offer an

703
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:56,480
opinion as to how the facts of of the
complaint have been interpreted, you

704
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,559
know, uh as they relate to the code, as
they relate to other prior cases that

705
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:05,520
have interpreted that to address the
problem, to help the board come to an

706
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:12,240
opinion that then can be presented. um
you know and again giving them the legal

707
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:17,000
context uh to deal with that problem
basically.

708
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,000
» Mhm. Okay. Thank you.

709
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:24,480
» As a resident of Port Jefferson, do you
have any relationship business personal

710
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:29,599
or otherwise with any members of the
board, any employees um in the village?

711
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,760
Uh you or your um anyone you work with
in your practice?

712
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:37,599
» I do not believe so. No.
>> Okay. Thank you.

713
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:40,800
So, let me just add, you live around the
block from me, but I don't think we've

714
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,920
had any interaction other than maybe
waiting when I

715
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:48,240
for disclosing.
>> Yes, in the interest of full disclosure,

716
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:52,480
I think that is accurate. And I I I know
the law firm that that you work for. I I

717
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,559
having grown up in Westbury and my
parents and grandparents having grown up

718
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:03,760
in Westbury, I'm very familiar with um
you know the Simonettes and you know but

719
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:07,760
there is no prior
representation at all of that. So I just

720
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,880
wanted to wanted to get that out. So
>> just one follow-up question to that. How

721
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:15,520
is uh Bob as a neighbor?
>> Everybody would like that.

722
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:19,520
» Well, he always waves. Uh I always see
him walking his dog. So uh on that level

723
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,920
100%.
>> And I always have my bag with me so I

724
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,040
always clean up after.
>> That's true.

725
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:28,240
» That is important.
>> The man. Yeah.

726
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,960
» He disclosed that. You did not.
>> Well,

727
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,000
» yes.
>> So what's your understanding of our

728
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:38,079
ethics code? Chapter 41.
>> Sure. So I believe that there's a number

729
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:42,720
of primary areas of the ethics code
specifically um designed to prevent any

730
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:46,400
ethical conflicts from occurring you
know with any sort of village personnel

731
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,520
members of the board of trustees. I
think there's a number of primary areas

732
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:54,240
that it covers. Obviously there's you
know financial conflicts uh people who

733
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:59,040
may have a financial or ownership
interest in some issue of business

734
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:03,040
that's before uh before the the village
board obviously not participating in

735
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:07,040
that type of decision. There's nepotism
rules. There's disclosure rules. There's

736
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:11,599
all sorts of things which are designed
to uh make sure obviously that there's

737
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:15,359
transparency with all the decisions that
are made by the village that all the

738
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:20,160
officers and personnel of the village
are not you know uh engaging in any sort

739
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:23,520
of self-deing you know where they may be
steering things towards something in

740
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:28,720
which they have a financial interest to
make sure that uh trustees are not

741
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:35,040
voting on any issues in which may affect
uh them financially or business-wise. Um

742
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:38,880
and obviously making sure that people
who are given jobs and positions are

743
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,720
qualified and it's not based simply on
you know who they know or who they're

744
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:46,240
related to or anything like that. Uh so
I think primarily the purpose of the

745
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:50,319
code is prevent personal conflicts of
interest, financial conflicts of

746
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:53,280
interest to ensure transparency. Um so
that you know the village can be

747
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:57,200
confident that the decisions that are
being made by their elected

748
00:56:54,720 --> 00:57:02,400
representatives are not being done for
personal gain or uh to you know help

749
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:07,559
people that they know. but are being
done, you know, from a disinterested

750
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,559
point of view.

751
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:24,079
» Who do you believe is your client when
serving as the ethics attorney?

752
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:27,280
» So, I think ultimately the direct client
would be the board of ethics, but the

753
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:32,079
board of ethics really reports to the
village of Port Jefferson. So I think

754
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:36,319
there's you know uh being the council to
the board of ethics they would be the

755
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:43,680
immediate client whose advice you are
being uh asked to give um to you know

756
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:46,960
sort of uh guide and advise them on the
legal questions that are being presented

757
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:50,480
as it relates to ethics complaints or
investigations that they're undertaking.

758
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,240
But at the end of the day the the higher
purpose obviously is to ensure that you

759
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:58,160
know the village government is operating
in an ethical manner for the benefit of

760
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:04,520
the residents. So, I think that's kind
of a two-part uh question.

761
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:04,520
» Thank you.

762
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:11,760
» So, ethics matters can involve sensitive
allegations obviously. Um, so how would

763
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:15,839
you advise the board to protect
confidentiality, attorney client

764
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:20,799
privilege, and due process while
complying with applicable New York law?

765
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:24,559
» Sure. So uh specifically in my practice
I deal with an extremely high level of

766
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:28,559
confidential information. The most
sensitive types of information that

767
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:33,920
people have not only their personal
financial documents, tax returns, bank

768
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:39,359
records, but also uh information that is
extremely personal to themselves, mental

769
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:43,680
health, their children, medical records,
all those sorts of things uh come

770
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:48,079
through uh my door in terms of my
practice areas. So, I'm extremely uh

771
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:53,200
used to making sure that that
information is treated sensitively um

772
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:55,920
and obviously not being disclosed to
places where it shouldn't be disclosed.

773
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,880
So, it's something I'm highly aware of
and highly sensitive to. So, we have to

774
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:03,280
be very careful about how that
information is exchanged. Make sure that

775
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:06,960
proper security protocols are followed.
Uh make sure it's not left lying around

776
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:12,240
in places that other people there could
be unintended um you know dissemination

777
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:16,720
of information. Uh often information
that I come into possession of is sealed

778
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:20,240
by court order that I have to adhere to.
Um and you know I can't share it with

779
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:24,160
anybody. Some there are documents that
you know my clients are not allowed to

780
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:27,440
view that I'm entrusted with. So uh you
know that's something that I'm very

781
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:32,280
accustomed to dealing with and and take
very seriously.

782
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,280
» Okay. Thank you.

783
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:43,119
Have you ever has your firm done any
work for the village of Port Jefferson

784
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:46,079
or any of the Is this your question, M?
>> Yeah. But

785
00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:49,359
» yeah, um that I don't know if you asked
You didn't ask it yet, right? No.

786
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:53,119
» Uh anyone in the village of Port
Jefferson, on this board, on the board

787
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:56,520
of ethics, or any of our statutory
boards?

788
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,520
» No.

789
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:08,960
All right, I'll take the next one.
Having reviewed the RFQ in chapter 41,

790
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:13,119
is there anything about the village
ethics process, council's role, or the

791
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:18,400
structure of the engagement that you
believe warrants particular attention or

792
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,920
additional attention or changes?
>> So, I mean, I note that there only

793
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,799
appears to be one ethics opinion that's
currently published on the village

794
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:29,280
website. Not sure if that's because
there only has been one or uh whether

795
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,240
there are others that may not be
publicly available that I absolutely

796
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:37,839
don't know the answer to the question. I
would hope that you know in in dealing

797
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:42,400
with this process um it could be very
transparent and that you know those the

798
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:46,079
work of the ethics board is not
necessarily done in secret and that it's

799
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:50,720
something that everybody's aware of uh
the the process the procedures when the

800
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:53,760
meetings are uh who's who's on the board
what's being discussed. I think you know

801
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,640
residents have a right to the extent
that you know there's not confidential

802
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,960
information that there's also a balance
on that in terms of protecting sensitive

803
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:05,040
information but I think the village has
residents need to be aware of the work

804
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:08,799
the board is doing and the output of the
board and that you know there are

805
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:11,200
situations that are be actively dealt
with so that they know that they're

806
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:14,559
there and they're doing something and
they're you know serving in a watchdog

807
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:19,119
role to make sure that the functioning
of the village government is according

808
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:22,799
to uh you know the appropriate ethical
guidelines that that that have been

809
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:28,319
adopted. So certainly I think that the
communication and um level of engagement

810
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:33,000
that we can have with the community is
something that you know should be strive

811
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,000
for.

812
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:44,240
» I'll take the last one. Um what level of
availability and responsiveness uh can

813
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:47,839
the village expect? Um and can you
briefly uh summarize your proposed uh

814
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:52,799
fee schedule for this?
>> Sure. So, um, I'm pretty available.

815
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:56,960
Obviously, I have a full-time job Monday
to Friday, but, you know, I always have

816
01:01:55,359 --> 01:02:01,839
my phone with me. Can usually take calls
most of the unless I'm on the record

817
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:06,319
somewhere. Um, you know, so, but other
than that, I have availability to do,

818
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:11,119
you know, evenings, meetings as needed.
If I have enough advanced notice, I can

819
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:14,240
make myself available most times. Um, so
I think I certainly have the

820
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:18,559
availability and I'm very accessible. I
have to be accessible to dozens of

821
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:22,480
clients on a daily basis. So, I like to
get back to people. I try to return

822
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:26,720
every single phone call that I get at
that day. Um, you know, emailing to

823
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,079
people constantly. If I'm doing one
thing, I'm sending an email to another.

824
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:35,920
So, I'm always multitasking all the
time. Um, so I I try and pride myself on

825
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:39,920
that. Um, you know, in terms of fee
schedule, I you know, whatever's in line

826
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:45,440
with existing practice historically
that, you know, has been paid to uh

827
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:48,640
prior attorneys in this position is is
fine. I'm not looking for anything

828
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,680
different than that.
>> Is this through your firm or

829
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:54,680
» This would be me personally.
>> Okay.

830
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:04,799
And do you uh so you have your own
private shingle and uh in malpractice

831
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,640
insurance those kind?
>> I I do not as of this moment right now.

832
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:13,440
So, you know, proprietorship if that
needs to be established, I can do that.

833
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:19,359
» Okay. Do you have or do you need
approval from your partners or your firm

834
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:23,640
to bill outside of the firm?
>> I do not need approval for that. No.

835
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,240
» Do you have any questions for us or
anything else you would like to add?

836
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:35,359
» I don't think so. No. I appreciate
everybody's time. It was nice to uh have

837
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:39,359
the opportunity to speak to everybody
and I wish everyone luck in making the

838
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:45,240
best decision possible.
>> Thanks for coming. Nice to meet you.

839
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:45,240
» Thank you.

840
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:20,799
busy.
>> Is this something I should

841
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,960
» Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

842
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:26,760
Yeah. No, that's what you're talking
about. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that.

843
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:34,000
» How are you?
>> Good evening.

844
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:37,440
» Does it Does it work?
You too.

845
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,440
» We're waiting for
>> We're waiting for

846
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,280
» Bob back.
>> Oh,

847
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:44,280
» he just took a break.
>> Okay.

848
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:08,119
Yes.

849
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,880
» Hi.
>> I'm Mayor Lauren Shepro.

850
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,119
» Hello.
>> This is Trusty Dit.

851
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:32,720
» Hello.
>> This is uh village attorney David Moran.

852
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:38,480
This is our clerk, Sylvia Pillo, our
treasurer, Steven Gaffa, trustee Matthew

853
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:42,680
Franco, trustee Kathy Anne Snaden, and
Deputy Mayor Bob Juliano.

854
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,720
» Does it work?
>> It does still work.

855
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:50,720
» Okay,
>> so why don't you tell us uh who you are,

856
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:54,079
why you're here, what what enticed you
to how did you find out about the

857
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:57,039
position, and uh what enticed you to
apply for it?

858
01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:01,440
» I watched the village meetings and I I
saw that Mr. 11th all was not

859
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:06,960
reappointed and so that's when I sent a
resume in to to all of you before there

860
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:10,400
was any kind of RFQ. Um so myself my
name is Richard Harris. Um think a lot

861
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:13,599
of you know me. I previously worked in
the village. I've been the deputy

862
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:17,359
village attorney, the director of
building and planning and the village

863
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:21,680
prosecutor. I was there until um just
after the new administration took over.

864
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:26,240
Um,
as many of you know, um, I've based my

865
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:31,200
career, my reputation on being of the
highest ethical caliber. I've never

866
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:35,119
bowed to any political pressures. Um,
I'm not beholden to anybody. I don't

867
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:38,960
make political donations. Um, so I've
been the most above board in everything

868
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:44,720
I do. Um that's what's allowed me to
hold positions in um the town attorney's

869
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:49,839
office as a prosecutor, as an organized
crime prosecutor, as an ethics

870
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:54,000
prosecutor, um a deputy village attorney
building department, and also

871
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:58,880
temporarily running code enforcement and
public safety for the town of

872
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:03,599
Southampton. So when I saw this this job
was open, I saw it as an opportunity to

873
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:06,559
come back here to help out my village.
um

874
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,839
I'd like to be back here and be able to
do what I can for it like I did before.

875
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:13,839
Um in fact, I didn't even know if it was
paid or unpaid. Actually, I still don't

876
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:18,799
even know that. Um so that's that's why
I applied for it. Um and then I saw I

877
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:26,799
watched the village meetings obviously.
I saw the last village meeting and um

878
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:32,799
there was I think um was um Mayor Shepro
you had discussed about um about me. you

879
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:38,160
were concerned about my having a
relationship with Kathy Anne Snen and um

880
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:42,960
it's true I do I obviously I worked here
before I worked with Kathy Anne for

881
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:47,920
almost three and a half years um we
usually with regard to building code

882
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:52,079
enforcement employment matters you name
it we did it and I found her to be a

883
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:57,119
very good person to work with extremely
ethical extremely hardworking caring

884
01:07:54,079 --> 01:08:02,079
about the village so um afterwards in
the here and now did I support her in

885
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:05,200
her bid to rejoin the village, the
village board. I did. It's absolutely

886
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,400
true. She's the kind of person that I'm
proud to have as a colleague, as a

887
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:15,200
friend. So, I'm not hiding that in any
way. Um then I saw the um conversation

888
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:19,120
that took place about previous ethics
council, Mr. Leventhal, who who I also

889
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:24,000
know. He's a he's a very good attorney.
Um, and there were some arguments made

890
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,839
that he had previously represented you
in a personal capacity before coming on

891
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:33,920
here to work for the village and write
the ethics code and serve as ethics

892
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:38,560
council. And I if that's inappropriate
or a violation that that's not for me to

893
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:43,120
say, but at least in my work having
worked in ethics and government for a

894
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:47,120
long time, it could give an appearance
of impropriety. And in the world of

895
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:52,880
forward- facing government ethics,
that's sometimes just as important. Um,

896
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:57,520
with with that in mind and having seen
that beating, I rethought about my

897
01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:00,799
application here and I realized as as
you brought up the other very good point

898
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:07,199
was that yes, I do have a relationship
with Kathy Snen and my being appointed

899
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:13,279
to this position could end up w with the
same the same appearance that I may be

900
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:18,159
biased one way or another. And I'm not
that way. I'm not biased. I'm always as

901
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:20,400
straight up as I can be. But I
understand that there could be

902
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:27,120
appearance, especially with that point
being made. Um, with that in mind, and I

903
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:31,040
spoke with Kathanne about this, I'm I'm
I hope I'm not wasting time, but I'm

904
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:35,600
going to withdraw my application because
I don't think that my being appointed

905
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:38,719
would would serve the best interest of
the village because we're supposed to be

906
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:42,319
open and transparent and not have any
question, especially in the ethics

907
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:45,199
world. And that's got to be higher than
anything else. And I want the ethics

908
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:49,440
board to work. It's a good thing. And
what Mr. Leventhal wrote, he does a good

909
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:53,600
job on these things. So, as much as I
like to be here in this job, I don't

910
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:58,320
think it's going to be the best for us
given the conversation that happened.

911
01:09:55,199 --> 01:10:00,719
So, I thank everybody for your time. You
can go home early if you want. Wouldn't

912
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:03,520
that be great?
>> But I'm I'm not going to go forward.

913
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:07,280
Thank Thank you for
>> listening to me.

914
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:10,239
» Thank you. Any other positions where I
could be

915
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:15,040
» not say compromised? I'm surely willing
to help out the village as I am.

916
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:18,640
» Well, thank you. I I think that's very
commendable of you. So, I appreciate

917
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:23,280
what you everything you just said. So,
thank you.

918
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:28,239
» He's not the guy.
>> His wife maybe not him. Rich, thank you.

919
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:31,880
Appreciate it. Appreciate everything you
had to say.

920
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,880
» All right.

921
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:42,120
» Just leave it on.
>> Yeah, no worries, man. I thought you

922
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,120
said turn off.

923
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:47,159
» Yes.

924
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,080
» Right.

925
01:10:53,600 --> 01:11:00,159
» I feel like I'm at home. I do what my
wife says and I still get yelled at

926
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:04,880
about it. So, I'm just saying.
>> Who's your wife? Jeff or Steve?

927
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:09,120
» Right now?
>> Feel like I got a room full of them.

928
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,199
Hello everybody.
>> How you doing?

929
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:14,400
» Hello.
>> Please have a seat.

930
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:18,880
» It's your seat and your microphone.
>> Thank you very much.

931
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:23,120
» Nice to meet everyone.
>> You as well.

932
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:27,040
» My name is Steven Piani and uh happy to
uh address the board.

933
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:32,400
» Yeah. Thank you for submitting your
interest in this position. Um I'm Mayor

934
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:38,080
Shepro. This is uh deputy mayor uh
Juliano, trustee Snen, trustee Franco

935
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:43,360
and trustee dit. This is village
attorney David Moran and our clerk and

936
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:47,760
treasurer Sylvia Pllo and Steven Gaffa
respectively. So thank you uh for

937
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,800
submitting your application of interest.
Um

938
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:54,719
say your name again. Spell
>> uh Stephen

939
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:56,560
» Pambiani.
>> Did we receive that?

940
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:01,440
» Yeah.
>> resume.

941
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,239
I do have uh resume here if you would
like.

942
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:07,560
» Oh, please.
>> That would be great.

943
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,560
» Thank you.

944
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:20,080
» Thank you, sir.
>> You're welcome.

945
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:24,880
» Can you um share how you found out about
the position?

946
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:28,640
» Um I saw a Facebook post. I kind of just
stumbled upon it.

947
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:33,360
» Three for three. But
>> everybody everybody it's yeah the common

948
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:37,840
theme it's the thing theme.
>> I guess we have a pretty good digital

949
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:44,640
social team.
>> My son was taking a nap uh I think about

950
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:47,600
7 o'clock at night on uh
>> on the 5th and uh

951
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:50,560
» I recognized you.
>> Yeah. I used to work with Dave at uh

952
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,520
Brook Haven.
>> He was an intern.

953
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,480
» Yeah.
>> Oh wow.

954
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,480
which when you walked in I said he looks
familiar.

955
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,840
» That's funny.
>> Hi.

956
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,719
» How are you?
>> Good to see you again.

957
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:09,280
» So you saw it on Facebook and it
interests you because

958
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:14,640
» uh I've served as uh ethics board
council to two ethics boards uh city of

959
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:18,640
Long Beach. I'm presently uh council to
village of Marin as well uh the ethics

960
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:22,920
board and also the board of trustees. So
uh it's just I think up my alley.

961
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:34,320
Can you describe then what your role um
as council to the ethics board like how

962
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:39,520
you see your role?
>> Um sure. So it was a little bit

963
01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:44,080
different. I'll say in each municipality
Long Beach was more um I kind of

964
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:49,920
directed the meetings. Uh we reviewed
the annual disclosure forms. Um if there

965
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:54,239
was a request for an advisory opinion um
I would I would write that and then um

966
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:58,159
the board would adopt if they agreed if
there was any changes they uh felt

967
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:02,400
necessary to be made I would go back
change that until you know there's a

968
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:07,199
final version um that could be issued um
so that's how it worked at least in Long

969
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:14,000
Beach and then uh village of marinac is
um very similar kind of you know the

970
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:19,360
same things um that board operates uh
with a number of attorneys so they pull

971
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:22,480
pull me in for more um certain questions
they have. I think they have a pretty

972
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:26,320
good handle on the ethics code generally
themselves. So, uh I'm only pulled in

973
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:30,159
when there's only certain matters that
are needed.

974
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:35,760
» Do most of the boards that you work
with, this is off the sheet because you

975
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:41,440
just inspired this question, are they
are they of council or what what typical

976
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:47,120
roles do people who are on the boards
that you serve, ethics boards? Um

977
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:50,640
» so so the members themselves that are
attorneys uh they they maintain private

978
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:54,640
practices most of them and then they
just volunteer for the ethics board uh

979
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:58,400
ultimately. So they all all different
walks of life. Yeah. You know from real

980
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:03,560
estate to you know commercial litigation
all different all different uh walks of

981
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,560
life.

982
01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:12,400
» So you've read our code.
>> I have taken a look. Yes. Um, how do you

983
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:16,239
understand the role of council to our
board of ethics,

984
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:22,480
including the distinction between
advisory to the board and exercising

985
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:25,920
authority reserved to the board?
>> Um, I believe there is a penalty

986
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:29,040
provision. So, you know, in the event
that, you know, there's some sort of

987
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:35,199
violation, you know, that could that
could be instituted. However, uh just in

988
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:39,840
a more advisory capacity, um you know,
I'm I'm I would be there for support as

989
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:44,960
well. Um kind of like how I described in
the in the other municipalities, very

990
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:48,880
similar. Um you know, just noticed other
little nuances. Some municipalities have

991
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:53,760
like a nepatism provision, some don't.
So, uh you know, some some unique uh

992
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:57,239
things in your in your code versus other
places as well.

993
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:07,360
So, let me ask a question that we've
asked all the other candidates. Have you

994
01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:11,679
ever represented anybody on this board
or as far as you know, and you might not

995
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:15,760
know the members of of the of the um
ethics board, but any represent anybody

996
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:19,760
from
>> uh No. So, I mainly uh practice in

997
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:24,080
Nassau County and Westchester County. I
don't really practice uh in Suffach

998
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:28,400
County at all. Not since law school days
at uh at Brook Haven. That was about it.

999
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:42,320
What's your approach to maintaining
confidentiality?

1000
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:47,440
» Um it's obviously very serious. So um
you know I have uh I have mechanisms in

1001
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:52,000
place just to make sure that um you know
everything goes to who it's supposed to

1002
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:56,880
and um you know a lot of times in the in
the electronic age it's you know it

1003
01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:00,880
could be easy to accidentally you know
CC someone or or send to an email

1004
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:05,920
address but so it's just a matter of
double triple checking things things

1005
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:10,960
like that and um and you know luckily
I'm able to I'm really a solo

1006
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:15,040
practitioner um so it's uh It's pretty
easy for me. You know, I do everything

1007
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:17,840
kind of soup to nuts myself. So, it's
not like uh you know, I have to worry

1008
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:21,280
about staff or anything like that.
Anything getting out in that regard, I'm

1009
01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:24,280
able to keep uh things close to the
chest.

1010
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:31,199
» How often does the Long Beach um ethics
board meet? Do they meet regularly or is

1011
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:36,560
it if there's something?
>> They were a monthly basis. Um same with

1012
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:40,080
Village of Marin was monthly basis. Um
there's a lot of rescheduling around

1013
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:46,400
holidays, things like that. And and
really the the disclosure form time of

1014
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:51,360
year is like the the biggest I would say
ask of the boards. So that is the

1015
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:58,159
busiest time of year around when the uh
forms need to be submitted and then

1016
01:17:53,199 --> 01:18:03,120
after for review. Um so it was loosely a
monthly meeting and then rescheduling as

1017
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:08,960
needed. you know, if there's really
nothing on an agenda, you know, a lot of

1018
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:12,159
times there's an adjournment. So,
>> so the boards you're currently advising

1019
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:16,480
or have advised in the past, they've
been primarily attorneys and some shape,

1020
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:21,120
way, or form. Correct.
>> Uh, so I'd say the current ethics board

1021
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:26,960
of the village of a Marinct, that's the
case. not necessarily um you know the

1022
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:32,080
the city council of Long Beach uh you
know had an attorney on there but um

1023
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:35,199
outside of that not not many attorneys
involved just really the ethics board

1024
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,600
like the board of trustees of Marinette
there's no attorneys.

1025
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:40,800
» No no but on the ethics board there they
there were primarily attorneys that you

1026
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:46,880
that you worked with.
>> Correct. Correct. Presently. Yeah.

1027
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:51,440
» Um our current um ethics board are are
not uh attorneys. Mhm.

1028
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:55,600
» How would you um feel that you would be
able to manage that situation?

1029
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,280
» Um yeah. So in
>> there were

1030
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,560
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. The uh so for Long Beach, for

1031
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:05,120
example,
>> there were but they're not now as the

1032
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:08,080
mayor so eloquently uh expressed. Thank
you. Let's let's be, you know,

1033
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,199
transparent.
>> Understood.

1034
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:14,560
» Mayor loves to be transparent.
>> If maybe she'll tell you why they're no

1035
01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:17,040
longer there, but that that could be for
another time. But please continue on. I

1036
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:21,360
have
>> just got sneden just to give you the

1037
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:27,280
headset. I have experience with boards
before uh with council that often zoning

1038
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:31,280
boards things like that often think you
know they are the council to the board

1039
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:35,199
themselves versus you know they don't
understand the defined role um so that

1040
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:42,960
often comes up so it's a matter of
navigating that but um you know you just

1041
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:46,400
give your advice and and you know I'm
always confident in my advice and my

1042
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:51,440
research and my findings and things like
that um and then it's just a matter of

1043
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:55,840
uh managing personalities, things like
that, almost softer skill type of

1044
01:19:53,040 --> 01:20:01,679
things. So, um that's at least how I've
navigated it. I've ran into it, you

1045
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:04,640
know, here and there. Um and I think I
have a good handle on it.

1046
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:07,040
» So, have you had an opportunity to
review our ethics code?

1047
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:10,560
» Uh yes.
>> And was there anything structurally that

1048
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:13,679
you would change based on all your
experience?

1049
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:18,800
» Uh I would say it looked pretty strong
just at least, uh going through it.

1050
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:22,320
um you know I didn't notice anything
that really stood out to me to be

1051
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:25,360
completely out of the or ordinary
anything like that. I think it's a

1052
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:30,480
strong code actually.
>> So going back to the previous question

1053
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:34,159
then um you know since we since this
board would be different from the other

1054
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:40,320
ones where we don't have currently have
any attorneys on the board. Um,

1055
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:43,920
how would you, you know, and how would
you

1056
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:49,679
push them into saying, "All right, you
you got to make these decisions and and

1057
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:51,440
not rely on on counsel."
>> Right. Right.

1058
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:55,520
» How would you advise them?
>> Obviously, you know, you advise on the

1059
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:59,920
law. Uh but ultimately, you know,
there's degrees of discretion that that

1060
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:03,199
the board has to exercise and uh it's
just a matter of uh you know, making

1061
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:07,760
sure they're confident in their
decisions and they're just fully

1062
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:10,400
informed, you know, as to the law. Um
and you could, you know, very well help

1063
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:14,320
navigate things. Like I said, I've
drafted, you know, draft advisory

1064
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:18,159
opinions and there's some uh back and
forth that could be, you know, taking

1065
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:21,120
place in that regard. So, uh just making
sure members have a, you know, a say at

1066
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,560
the table as to, you know, how they'd
like things to read. so long as it

1067
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:29,560
doesn't, you know, interfere with uh the
actual uh legal findings ultimately.

1068
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:38,719
» And can you um obviously you said you do
a lot of work in Nassau County. So what

1069
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:44,400
would be your level of availability?
>> Um so I I work a 9 to5 uh for the

1070
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:48,239
village of Marin currently and then just
like you know some matters here and

1071
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:52,400
there. I'm in Nassau County. Um it's a
little bit irregular. Um, so for the

1072
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:55,040
most part I'm tied up 9 to5, but
otherwise I'm widely available.

1073
01:21:54,239 --> 01:21:58,480
» Okay.
>> I didn't if you answered this question I

1074
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,120
apologize. Do you live in the village or
you you don't live in the village?

1075
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:04,239
» No, I live in uh Seafford in Nassau
County.

1076
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:07,520
» Thank you. Sorry.
>> And what would your fee schedule be? Fee

1077
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:14,320
fee structure.
>> Uh, typically I I bill 400 an hour. Um,

1078
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:17,199
I I wasn't sure, you know, whether um an
hourly retainer is something, you know,

1079
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:23,400
the board was seeking. you know, happy
to have uh discussions, but typically my

1080
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:23,400
hourly rate is 400.

1081
01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:34,800
» What do you feel is the most uh the
frequency of ethics meetings? How do you

1082
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:38,719
how would you ethics board meetings? How
would you guide that or how would you

1083
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:43,440
propose that that work? How does it work
in your current situations?

1084
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:48,560
» Um, so I'll backtrack to Long Beach.
Like I said, it was really a matter of I

1085
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:52,560
was really um kind of guiding the board
through meetings. Like I said, it ramped

1086
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:57,679
up a lot during annual disclosure time
of year uh and just um advisory opinions

1087
01:22:56,480 --> 01:23:03,760
that would pop up here and there that
were needed and and ethics complaints um

1088
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:08,639
that needed opinions ultimately. Um so
that was like I said about a monthly but

1089
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:14,480
I would say a little bit less just uh
just depending on the schedule. Um and

1090
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:22,080
then uh for the village I I would say
it's they meet more consistently I would

1091
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:28,880
say. Um I think there are honestly more
complaints that do come in. Um

1092
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:32,239
but it's uh the meetings aren't too
long. I would say they're they're about,

1093
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:38,800
you know, 45 minutes in length, that
type of thing. Um you know, it's not the

1094
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:43,280
longest meetings. So, um but yeah, that
there's uh you know, no shortage of uh

1095
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,760
complaints that come in at least with
that board.

1096
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:52,400
» And what do you what is what do your
clients do with their um with their

1097
01:23:48,639 --> 01:23:58,960
ethics um the results of their
investigations or their deliberations?

1098
01:23:54,960 --> 01:24:03,120
» Uh it really ranges. Sometimes um for
the most part, I think most things are

1099
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:08,480
worked out well. Like for example,
there's like a a waiver provision for uh

1100
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:12,800
nepotism. A lot of those come in like if
someone is related to someone else,

1101
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:17,280
there's a lot of uh waiverss that are
issued ultimately um for, you know, if

1102
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:22,400
they think it's like a real uh
non-conlict situation. Uh but other

1103
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:26,159
times there's there's other things where
you know I've seen it get to at least

1104
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:31,520
not under my tenure but it gets to like
uh an actual litigation stage where it's

1105
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:34,239
uh you know they come to a finding and
say that there was an ethics violation

1106
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:39,280
and then ultimately there's like an
article 78 lawsuit that stems from that.

1107
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:43,280
Uh I luckily haven't you know none of my
findings or anything like that have ever

1108
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:48,480
been challenged in court thankfully. Um
but you know that sometimes is a result

1109
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:54,040
uh as to uh a board's findings just
depending on it's a very case by case

1110
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:54,040
basis ultimately. So

1111
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:04,960
» and you would be the person you would be
representing the board the it's not

1112
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,960
you're not a firm it's you you
personally that would

1113
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,040
» Yes. Correct. Yeah.
>> You're a sole practitioner.

1114
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:14,719
» Exactly.
>> That's the word I was looking for.

1115
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:18,960
and no. Um, does does your firm have any
sort of political work with political

1116
01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:24,239
organizations that could create a a
perception or an actual conflict of

1117
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:27,679
interest and
in your experience?

1118
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:32,960
» No, honestly, my my practice at this
point is mainly um matters that I uh

1119
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:39,520
represented the city of Long Beach on.
Um I had left Long Beach in September of

1120
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:44,400
25 uh to join the village of Marin but
there was uh some litigation matters

1121
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:49,920
that um you know I was very involved
with. I had tried cases etc. Uh and so

1122
01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:54,800
for appeals and things like that uh they
kept me uh on retainer just to see those

1123
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:59,560
through. So, uh, no, nothing, uh,
political, nothing like that otherwise.

1124
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:08,400
» So, you're full-time with the village as
village attorney?

1125
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:14,159
» Yeah. Monday to Friday, 9 to5. Correct.
>> And let me let me clarify. Do you you

1126
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:16,239
also represent the board of ethics,
>> right? Board of trustees, board of

1127
01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:20,400
ethics,
>> all the boards.

1128
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:24,960
» Um, there is separate land use council.
Uh there's been when the land use

1129
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:28,800
council's conflicted out, I'll sit for
the zoning board or planning board

1130
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:31,520
depending. Uh but that's that only comes
up here and there.

1131
01:26:29,679 --> 01:26:35,040
» That's more than 9 to5.
>> Yeah.

1132
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:40,320
» Yeah. I had a a trustee meeting to uh
till 10:45 last night. So

1133
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:44,159
» Oh, and they done that.
>> All right.

1134
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:49,040
Anyone else have questions?
>> No. Everything else was covered. How was

1135
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:52,000
your intern supervisor when you were
>> It's a conflicting

1136
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:56,719
» always about him.
>> Did he periodically buy you guys lunch

1137
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:59,360
or
>> he was good?

1138
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,239
» Good, huh? He was good.
>> I don't know. I didn't lunch.

1139
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:05,760
» I was going to say I don't know if the
board's expecting that now, but

1140
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:08,920
» I mean, he hasn't even replaced Sylvia
as Altoids.

1141
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:15,280
» Very nice meeting all of you. It's great
to see You have any questions for us or

1142
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:18,560
anything before you leave?
>> I don't believe so. When should I expect

1143
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:22,639
to hear back? I guess
>> I would looking to make a

1144
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,600
» within the next month.
>> Yeah.

1145
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,480
» Yeah. Okay.
>> I mean, we we meet twice monthly.

1146
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:31,600
» Okay.
>> And our next ethics

1147
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,719
» board meeting is scheduled in November.
>> Okay.

1148
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,199
» So,
>> All right.

1149
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,120
» But yeah, we'd like to sooner rather
than later.

1150
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,719
» Okay. That's the goal.
>> Okay. Great.

1151
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:43,520
» Thank you for your time. All right. Nice
meeting all of you. Nice meeting you.

1152
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,520
Nice meeting you.

1153
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:55,760
So, we all learned Dave does buy lunch.
>> Not for me.

1154
01:27:54,080 --> 01:28:00,600
» Yeah.
>> Not all about you. What about all of us?

1155
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,600
» Any of us?

1156
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:09,000
» Okay. Next candidate.
>> Next and final.

1157
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,000
» Yes.

1158
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:15,440
I didn't realize that would have been
that would have been sex if Right.

1159
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:22,199
» Do you need another paper?
>> No, I just crossed

1160
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:22,199
just

1161
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:34,719
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1162
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,960
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1163
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:47,560
We'll wait for Trusty Franco to come
back.

1164
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:06,960
» It's because of the lunch.
>> What was it? What? What was the launch?

1165
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:11,719
Do you remember?
>> It was proximity because we had district

1166
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,719
court and patchog.

1167
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:17,800
» Good ones there.
>> Yeah, we'll go with that.

1168
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:46,320
All right, Mr. Rouse, thank you for
coming in tonight. I'm I'll go through

1169
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:50,800
the introductions. on Mayor Shepro, uh,
Trustee and Deputy Mayor Bob Giuliano,

1170
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:57,840
Trustee Kathy Anne Snaden, Trustee
Matthew Franco, Trustee Randy Dit,

1171
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:01,600
» our treasurer and clerk respectively,
Steven Gaffa and Sylvia Pillo, and

1172
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,840
village attorney David Moran.
>> Nice to meet you.

1173
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,000
» Thank you for coming in.
>> Thank you for coming. Would you pass me?

1174
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:11,199
Thank you.
>> Um, can you uh tell us what interested

1175
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:16,960
you about this position and how you
found out about it? So, um, as you, um,

1176
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:22,719
may recall from the letter I sent off to
the village,

1177
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:25,600
I am very interested in transparency in
government at every level.

1178
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:28,159
» Microphone.
>> Microphone. Sorry.

1179
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:34,800
» I'm very interested in transparency,
governmental transparency at every

1180
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:40,000
level. Um I actually happened to be at
the meeting um the I guess it would be

1181
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:46,000
the reorganizational meeting where
appointments were being made and I was

1182
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:54,080
actually here when um the prior ethics
council uh I guess was rejected. Um so I

1183
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:59,040
was curious to see how that would play
out. Given my experience, it's something

1184
01:30:56,239 --> 01:31:04,320
I would naturally be interested in and
I'm a little bit of a junkie. So, I read

1185
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:08,400
the the agendas and stuff and I saw that
uh there was a candidate being

1186
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:10,719
presented. Um and uh
>> you just hold up to your

1187
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:13,280
» I'm sorry.
>> Do you need me to start over?

1188
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:17,199
» No.
>> Okay. Um and I saw that there was one

1189
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:21,679
candidate being presented and I thought
that um it would be a good idea that if

1190
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:25,600
I introduced myself to the board and
encouraged the board to um open the

1191
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:30,719
process up to as many candidates as
possible. I'm so happy that you did

1192
01:31:27,679 --> 01:31:35,920
that. Um
a board of ethics is very different than

1193
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:39,120
most any other board uh that a village
can have and for that matter most

1194
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:45,679
municipalities.
It needs to be independent.

1195
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:52,719
It cannot
show any sense of subjectivity,

1196
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:56,639
partisanship or favoritism.
I understand that we live in a political

1197
01:31:54,719 --> 01:32:01,120
world. I've served in political
positions, elected positions for many,

1198
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:07,840
many, many years. But of all the
positions I've had, all the places I've

1199
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:12,400
been, other than Supreme Court,
an ethics board needs to be really above

1200
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:19,600
reproach.
Cannot ever, ever, ever be weaponized.

1201
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:28,320
The board of ethics is not in place to
punish people. Board of ethics is really

1202
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:34,400
I think in place to serve as an adviser,
as a guard rail and as an educator. A

1203
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:42,080
board of ethics when properly
constituted and properly running will

1204
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:46,960
avoid hopefully the need for any kind of
advanced litigation, disciplinary action

1205
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:51,120
or otherwise.
Board of ethics should be out ahead of

1206
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:55,120
most problems.
I cannot tell you that I'm aware of what

1207
01:32:53,120 --> 01:33:00,639
level of education
uh the the uh board has uh offered to

1208
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:04,320
its employees and and the village
employees and officers and for that

1209
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:07,440
matter outside contractors. I don't know
what level it is, but I can assure you

1210
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:13,199
that if I'm involved in the board of
ethics, that would be not my number one

1211
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:17,440
priority. Um, preventive medicine goes a
long way when we get involved in

1212
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:22,320
sensitive situations that often come
before boards of ethics. We deal with

1213
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:28,159
people's reputations. We deal with
people's famil family's reputations.

1214
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:34,040
Um, our goal is to ensure that we do no
harm in in in this kind of a capacity.

1215
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:41,760
So, can you describe what you feel like
your role as legal counsel to the board

1216
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:48,159
of ethics would be?
>> Advisory,

1217
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:53,760
» obviously wearing a different hat. Um,
I understand there may have been another

1218
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:59,199
attorney on the board at one point, but
um, if you would compare it to a jury

1219
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:03,199
trial.
So when I was presiding over trials and

1220
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:10,480
family in Supreme Court, supreme we had
juries. I would have a a jury panel of

1221
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:18,239
six people and maybe two alternates.
I'm the judge. I'm the jury's advisor.

1222
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:22,960
In fact, typical jury instructions say
you're not to listen to anything about

1223
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:30,239
the law but anyone but the judge. You,
however, find the facts for yourselves.

1224
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:35,120
Now, I would often times have on a jury
a lawyer,

1225
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:39,440
and it was always a coin coin toss about
how that would go. But there are special

1226
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:43,920
instructions that you offer an attorney
on a jury. Let's go to a board of

1227
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:49,120
ethics.
Myself as the judge in the advisory

1228
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:53,520
role, however, not the person or not a
person in the pool of people making

1229
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:58,080
decisions as to facts and what
directions they want to go in. So it

1230
01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:03,840
would be as an adviser, as a legal
adviser, wearing a clearly different hat

1231
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:09,280
than uh the the members of the board,
not to tell them what to do,

1232
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:15,679
» not to take over a meeting, not to steer
them in any particular direction other

1233
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:20,880
than the legally appropriate direction.
the council to the board of ethics or

1234
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:27,320
any board for that matter is only
wearing a legal advisory hat and cannot

1235
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:27,320
be promoting any other agendas.

1236
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:32,880
» That's the role of council to the board
of ethics.

1237
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:37,360
» Thank you.
>> I just have a question. When your

1238
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:40,960
initial statement um you said something
about the board being weaponized or

1239
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,679
should not be weaponized you I'm
paraphrasing.

1240
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:46,400
» Yes. Uh, do you think the board of
ethics that we currently have is

1241
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,880
weaponized?
>> I have no idea. I would have no way to

1242
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,120
know that.
>> I was just I just thought that was an

1243
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:54,960
odd statement. Like I was trying to
figure out why how you would start that

1244
01:35:52,800 --> 01:36:00,000
off as it should not be weaponized.
>> The entirety of the statement dealt with

1245
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:02,239
boards generally. A board of ethics. I
didn't say the village of Port. That's

1246
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:06,239
why I said
>> a board of ethics can never be

1247
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:11,120
» can never be weaponized. And if you'll
take that beginning of the statement and

1248
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:14,800
circle around to the end of what I said,
I talked about people's reputations.

1249
01:36:13,679 --> 01:36:19,360
» I talked about famil family's
reputations. The responsibilities of a

1250
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:22,639
board of ethics,
among other things, is to promote

1251
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:28,320
integrity.
And to me, the weaponization of a board

1252
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:33,520
of any kind, but most particularly a
board of ethics

1253
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:38,320
would be so harmful could be so harmful
to people in the community as to destroy

1254
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:42,800
the confidence that the community in
general would have not just in the board

1255
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:47,440
of ethics but in government. So to be
clear, the statement that I made and any

1256
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:51,760
statement I've made so far has been
specific to Portf Village in only one

1257
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:55,920
respect and that is to the level of
education that the board of ethics has

1258
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:59,679
promoted. Other than that, these are
meant to be general statements as to my

1259
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:05,880
feelings about boards of ethics in
general and the role of council.

1260
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:05,880
» Thank you.

1261
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:15,679
So the RFQ that we published
specifically requires confidential and

1262
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:20,800
independent legal advice. What does
independence mean to you in this

1263
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:24,800
representation? Particularly if your
legal advice differs from the position

1264
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:32,880
of
the general pop or a board like of

1265
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:36,560
trustees like like this one.
I'm not sure I'm understanding

1266
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:43,199
your question.
>> I agree. I don't understand it either.

1267
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:47,360
» Okay. Um well, I'll repeat my question
to John maybe.

1268
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:53,600
» Um so it it requires confidential and
independent legal advice.

1269
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:59,440
» Correct. Um, you you may be aware of
different opinions that a trustee on

1270
01:37:56,159 --> 01:38:05,920
this board has or a feeling how do or a
feeling that staff member has or how do

1271
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:13,199
you how do you separate the independence
from what any kind of um uh professional

1272
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:20,239
or personal pressures you might be
feeling from the ether

1273
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:25,040
» just as I would and had to do every day
as a judge in Suffach County for 10

1274
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:30,000
years. My role is my role. I honor the
seat that I'm sitting in and I honor the

1275
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:35,600
responsibilities
and rights that come with that seat and

1276
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:40,800
that seat alone. So, I may be involved
in a qu an ethical question that I am

1277
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:45,440
advising the board about and it may
involve one of you and I may develop a

1278
01:38:43,679 --> 01:38:52,960
personal relationship with you over
time. I may like you a lot. I may

1279
01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:57,360
see you around town, have cups of
coffee,

1280
01:38:55,040 --> 01:39:04,639
but I can't take that into consideration
when I'm counseling the board of ethics.

1281
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:08,119
For me, it's not a hard choice. I'm
trained in it.

1282
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:17,280
Have you ever I have to ask this
question of all the candidates. Have you

1283
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:22,880
ever represented anybody on this board
or anybody on the board of ethics? If

1284
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:27,239
you know who the members of the board of
ethics are?

1285
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:27,239
» Not to my knowledge.

1286
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,840
» Do you have any I mean obviously you
live in the village.

1287
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:37,520
» I do.
>> Uh do you have any relationships with

1288
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:41,520
anybody on this board? Uh currently
>> on the board. When you say

1289
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:44,000
relationships, I know who you all are.
>> Yeah. Yeah, but I mean

1290
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:49,119
» I've known I've known Lauren Shepro's
family uh since seventh grade when I

1291
01:39:46,719 --> 01:39:54,320
went to then infant Jesus school with
her brother Dennis who now I think lives

1292
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:57,360
out in Portland. Um so I'm aware of the
Shepro family.

1293
01:39:55,840 --> 01:40:01,199
» Okay.
>> But I have no personal relationship with

1294
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:05,639
our mayor per se, but of course I do
know her family.

1295
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:05,639
» Of course. Okay.

1296
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:16,639
what was uh your requested fee structure
if you were to be chosen as the council

1297
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:20,320
to the board of ethics. So my
understanding is that there was and this

1298
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:25,119
is just based upon the reorg meeting
that there is an hourly uh rate that you

1299
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:28,000
were paying um what would be my
predecessor and I don't even know what

1300
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:31,600
that rate is but what
>> your predecessor's rate trust me you

1301
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:37,040
want your predecessor's predecessors
>> okay well just say that

1302
01:40:34,639 --> 01:40:43,679
» well this is
this is not a money maker for me I am

1303
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:50,800
not here because I need the job I'm here
because I want the job because I live

1304
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:56,719
here. I grew up here. I love the village
of Port Jeff and I think we need strong

1305
01:40:53,760 --> 01:41:01,119
leadership at every single level in this
room and in the room that I'm proposing

1306
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:06,080
that I become council to. So, as far as
an hourly rate goes, I will tell you

1307
01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:10,000
that I get $550 an hour in private
practice. But I will also tell you that

1308
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:16,000
acting in of councsil capacity to the
town of Brook Haven a few years ago, I

1309
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:21,840
was being paid $300 an hour. So, I think
the going rate these days for municipal

1310
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:27,600
work is $250 to $300 an hour. It's not a
huge negotiating point for me.

1311
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:31,520
» So, being a village resident, I'm sure
you're familiar with the code and

1312
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:36,239
obviously you're here for that uh
position. So, um for the ethics

1313
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:42,320
obviously the ethics the ethics code.
So, um, have you noticed anything in

1314
01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:47,679
particular that you feel like would need
it would need some attention or some

1315
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:50,239
updates or anything that you know drew
your attention in reviewing it if you

1316
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,920
have?
>> So, having made six copies of it, I'm

1317
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,840
happy to hand them all out to you.
>> Well, then then I'm assuming you've done

1318
01:41:55,280 --> 01:42:03,280
your research.
>> I've really actually did. But, um, no,

1319
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:08,480
I've I've taken a look at it.
Generally, I think that it's a bit of a

1320
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:14,000
shotgun approach.
>> Generally, I think it was modeled after

1321
01:42:10,719 --> 01:42:16,960
larger state models. Um, from what I
see, I think that it can be tailored

1322
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:21,679
down
>> um

1323
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:26,159
to the specific needs of this village. I
think it was I think it's a huge step

1324
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:33,600
forward even having it and having a
board. It's it's wonderful. But I think

1325
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:38,400
like any any organic
kind of a thing, this is growing. Okay.

1326
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:42,000
And um
I love the fact that you're putting such

1327
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:46,239
attention on it that you'll be receptive
to anything that your board comes

1328
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:49,679
forward to you with in terms of maybe
changing the code. But my my look at it,

1329
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:52,560
and I'm not going to sit here and tell
you that I studied it like I would for

1330
01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:56,960
the bar exam,
>> but um I see I see something where I'm

1331
01:42:55,360 --> 01:43:01,199
looking at language that I think is used
generally and I think we could take a

1332
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:05,800
closer look at it and tailor it more to
this village.

1333
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:05,800
» Okay. Thank you.

1334
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,520
Everything's answered.

1335
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:43,679
» Do you have anything else that you would
like to add or anything? any questions

1336
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:46,960
for us or
>> No, I don't think I have anything to

1337
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:53,360
add, but I would like to re-emphasize
how pleased I am that you all considered

1338
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:59,679
my letter
um seriously. I obviously um have a

1339
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:05,040
vested interest in the place in which I
live. Um, I guess what I could add is

1340
01:44:02,719 --> 01:44:09,360
that um,
my first job,

1341
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:13,840
other than pumping a little gas up so
for 250 an hour in Portf Station, my

1342
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:18,800
first real job was Ron Carlson gave me a
job at the Department of Recreation.

1343
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:22,000
» And I went from there in the summers and
seasonally throughout college and law

1344
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:26,159
school. I also worked at the highway
department with a guy named Henry

1345
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:29,920
Sulowski, if you remember that.
>> Um, ultimately became a superintendent

1346
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:33,600
of highways. Why do I tell you that? Not
because that's the kind of experience

1347
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:38,239
you need for this job, but to give you
my sense of deep commitment to this

1348
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:43,679
village, my how important it is to me.
It's done so much to formulate who I am,

1349
01:44:41,679 --> 01:44:49,040
who I became as a professional, and I
would like to be able to give that back

1350
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:53,520
to the community. But I am again so
happy that you all opened up this

1351
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:58,320
process. I think that's how every level
of government should work and most

1352
01:44:55,520 --> 01:45:02,400
importantly in the board that I'm asking
you to consider me to become counsel to.

1353
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,000
» Thank you.
>> Thank you so much.

1354
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:05,760
» Wonderful meeting.
>> Same here. Thank you.

1355
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:11,080
» Have a good day.
>> Appreciate your very nice to meet you,

1356
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:11,080
brother. Thank you.

1357
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:28,520
» Okay. Um, so
do we have a motion to go into executive

1358
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,520
session?

1359
01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:34,719
» Motion second
>> discussion.

1360
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:38,159
» If there's nothing that we have to vote
on, maybe we wait till the end of the

1361
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:40,239
meeting since all of these wonderful
people have been sitting here for so

1362
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,480
long.
>> Well, I know

1363
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:46,400
» wonderful people.
>> There's a present. I just I was going to

1364
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:49,920
say the same thing. I know we were
waiting on a presentation.

1365
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:52,080
» Uh, okay. Well, we have two we have a
lot of wonderful people waiting to speak

1366
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,960
with us.
>> Well, that's what I mean. They're all

1367
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:57,199
sitting here waiting and I would rather
not go into executive session until

1368
01:45:56,639 --> 01:46:03,119
after.
>> Is it is it one

1369
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:08,080
» So, we have Miss Bell is here. Um, so we
have um Miss Bell here. I also want to

1370
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:12,080
let the board know that it's possible
that there are two resolutions that come

1371
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:16,719
out of executive session
>> which we can come out of and back up

1372
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:19,840
here and vote, but we don't have to make
everyone wait.

1373
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:26,800
I mean, I at least would
like to hear the presentation. I just

1374
01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:28,719
don't I don't want to make
>> I don't want to make anybody wait.

1375
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:32,000
» Yeah. I mean, I feel
>> it's been a constant complaint that I

1376
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:34,400
receive from the residents that we make
them wait.

1377
01:46:33,199 --> 01:46:38,000
» How I feel.
>> No, it's not about that. It's just

1378
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:40,400
about, you know, being efficient with
our time and people's time in the

1379
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,960
audience. So,
>> exactly.

1380
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:44,880
» Um,
>> that's my point.

1381
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:49,440
» Quick sidebar.
>> Sure.

1382
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:53,119
All right. So, we have uh Beachwood
here. Is Beachwood executive session

1383
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,800
material?
>> No.

1384
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:59,199
» Oh, okay. Let's go.
>> All right. Then I would draw my motion.

1385
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,239
» Okay. With Sean.
>> Thanks, Bob.

1386
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:04,920
» Sure.
>> All right. Miss Bell, come on up.

1387
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:15,520
» Sorry to make you wait.
>> Silly village business. May she

1388
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:17,280
» pleasure to be here and I don't mind
waiting.

1389
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,440
» Nice to see you again.
>> Thank you.

1390
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:22,560
» That microphone is not as sensitive was
we'd like it to be. So you have to hold

1391
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:25,040
it close to your
>> Oh, thank you.

1392
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:28,159
» speaking apparatus.
>> Okay.

1393
01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:35,520
» Good evening. Thank you for having me
today. Um we last met in May. Um and

1394
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:42,080
since then um I focused on the things
that we discussed which was a size of a

1395
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:47,360
potential educational sign um to be put
by Barnum and Broadway representing

1396
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:52,880
Arnet AM church
uh working along with uh Chris Ryan

1397
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:56,719
Portf historian and Barbara Russell um
Brook Haven Town historian. I have

1398
01:47:54,960 --> 01:48:01,119
spoken to them before this meeting in
depth. um they would have been here

1399
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:07,280
tonight if they could have been but um
we have put together the wording um for

1400
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:15,360
the sign. I did provide a copy um for
everyone along with the um size of it. I

1401
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:21,040
» and I just wanted to see what we I feel
very happy with um taking feedback from

1402
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:26,560
all the different people that I've been
working with. Um, one of the important

1403
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:30,400
things was outlining what AM stands for,
but not to assume that everybody just

1404
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:35,679
known that. And we came up with a nice
subtitle. Um, Arnet AM Church, the heart

1405
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:41,440
of a community, remembering the Arnet
African Methodist Episcopal Church. Um,

1406
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:47,440
two maps on um, the left hand side,
which and a timeline. Um, there was so

1407
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:52,880
much information. So going through it to
see what could be reflective and

1408
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:57,199
educational where people could say,
"Wow, you know, I didn't know that." And

1409
01:48:54,719 --> 01:49:02,800
just walk away feeling just a broader
sense of Port Jefferson was very

1410
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:08,320
important um to me. And
interviewing a Mr. Julius Sty on the

1411
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:12,320
bottom leftand corner there. He was
actually a member of the congregation

1412
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:18,320
who was involved in the fundraising and
delivered meals on his bicycle. Um, and

1413
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:22,080
he sat with me for hours and just really
gave his time and I could feel his love

1414
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:26,960
and appreciation and even more of a
sense what this place was like cuz he

1415
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:31,760
was able to visually walk me through it
as if I was there and I feel like he

1416
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:39,440
gives that to this project um by having
a quote from him.

1417
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:45,360
Um I after reading it over um I did one
two three four fifth paragraph down um

1418
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:49,840
there's a mention of harvest home
suppers. I wanted to get feedback if you

1419
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:55,600
felt the definition of what that is
should be also um included. Um some

1420
01:49:52,960 --> 01:50:00,000
people after reading um it said like
Chris Ryan said what is a harvest home

1421
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:04,159
supper? So, and so that's something that
I highlighted that I could add. And I

1422
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:09,440
did see in the next paragraph down that
arnet was misspelled. I highlighted that

1423
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:14,880
that would be fixed also for the um
final um copy.

1424
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:19,920
And the um big concern was with
gratitude. I felt like the more this

1425
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:25,760
project was going on, even being here at
this moment, it's just a full circle of

1426
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:29,760
how Arnette, although they had a
congregation before they had a building,

1427
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:34,080
it took the whole community in Port
Jefferson that really took a part in

1428
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:38,159
making that building happen. And I felt
that same sense as I was working on this

1429
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:43,760
project because it took so many people's
and even now everybody's time here. So

1430
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:49,360
having just a logo just made me feel
like maybe it was not as much reflective

1431
01:50:46,719 --> 01:50:54,639
as naming like community, but then it
became very long and this is not even

1432
01:50:51,280 --> 01:51:00,880
everybody um that's listed here. So
that's a little bit of a um

1433
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:05,920
I I I did say well what how could we
solve that? And one suggestion was with

1434
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:09,520
a QR code, but then with coming up with
solutions, there's another problem

1435
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:14,320
because there's no website that can
connect to the QR code. And so some

1436
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:19,920
suggestions were maybe to add a QR code
later in time.

1437
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:27,119
» I actually tried the QR code to see
no there's a lot of more information,

1438
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:31,280
but um that was something that we're
coming that I'm coming. I don't want to

1439
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:34,400
if this was approved I wouldn't want to
delay it but I also feel like there's so

1440
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:39,119
much yeah
>> that I um that so many more people I

1441
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:43,119
know I don't know how to really handle
it with gratitude that's something that

1442
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:46,400
I would like to hear what um you thought
to but there were so many people that

1443
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:52,320
were a part of this and even everyone
here that it's I don't know it makes me

1444
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:56,960
feel like that reflecting that community
involvement is important

1445
01:51:54,719 --> 01:51:56,960
» definitely

1446
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:08,480
I mean, I I appreciate the work that you
put in on, you know, I love history and,

1447
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:12,480
you know, I've grew up here, so um yeah,
I really appreciated reading all the,

1448
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:15,440
you know, about the Yeah. So, thank you.
>> Thank you so much. Thank you.

1449
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:18,639
» And I think it's important because I
don't think a lot of people realize

1450
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:22,560
» No, definitely not.
>> So, this is important to bring

1451
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:27,760
» to the public much.
>> I think this is great. Thank you. Uh

1452
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:29,760
» I appreciate you coming in and bringing
it to our attention.

1453
01:52:28,719 --> 01:52:34,880
» Well, thank you very much.
>> Um the one thing that I would maybe

1454
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:38,560
suggest um just for the full design uh
purpose of the sign is to maybe run it

1455
01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:41,280
by the architectural review committee.
Okay.

1456
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:46,000
» Um and see if they have any comments or
suggestions on um you know the overall

1457
01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:50,719
design of the actual sign. Not
necessarily the content because you are

1458
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:55,440
the expert in the content. Um but maybe
just to um add an extra layer of of uh

1459
01:52:54,239 --> 01:52:56,880
oversight on design.
>> Okay.

1460
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:59,520
» Of the actual sign.
>> I think that's very good idea. Thank

1461
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:02,760
you.
>> You're welcome.

1462
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:11,760
» So remind us again where the um
identified location of the sign would

1463
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:18,560
be.
>> It's right near um Drown Meadow Cottage.

1464
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:23,360
actually um right that parking lot is
where Arnette stood and I think that on

1465
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:29,360
Chris Ryan and Barbara Russell felt that
right near um right in that vicinity I

1466
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:34,159
have like the coordinates but there is a
sign there now I think next to it

1467
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,480
perhaps
>> like to the north side of the parking

1468
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:41,280
lot
>> um is that towards the water towards the

1469
01:53:39,679 --> 01:53:43,119
northeast corner of the parking lot
>> yes

1470
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:48,639
» okay
>> and um what's the process process for

1471
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:53,040
getting the sign made.
>> Um the design company said if we had

1472
01:53:51,440 --> 01:54:00,159
approval today, they would need about
five weeks um to have um the sign made.

1473
01:53:57,440 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaking with um
>> it was um Barbara Russell that was able

1474
01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:12,000
to um through the Raml Foundation um
cover the cost that assigned. So I

1475
01:54:09,599 --> 01:54:16,000
appreciate that. Excellent.
>> You know, and so this is very exciting.

1476
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:20,080
I feel like this is
>> Is there a special date that works for

1477
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:25,280
the dedication c because I would imagine
you'd want to do a dedication sort of

1478
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:31,119
» I was we were speaking about that in
November. We were thinking is um I know

1479
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:36,960
there's another event um a race um
Barbara said there's a race maybe and

1480
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:40,719
it's also um in um indigenous month.
Maybe around that time would be good

1481
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:45,360
because there would already be people in
the area. I like that. Maybe this is the

1482
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:50,080
second event of that day. Okay.
>> Because it goes tight, especially with

1483
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:55,280
250th. I feel like this would be a
really nice time. November.

1484
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:57,679
» Is it a concrete um
>> footing

1485
01:54:56,080 --> 01:55:02,320
» footing?
>> Um I think reading from the design like

1486
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:06,719
that they're able to install
>> in installation. Yes. Yes. I um they I

1487
01:55:05,199 --> 01:55:11,119
did speak with design company today
before the meeting and I asked them what

1488
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:15,440
would work for them as far as when could
they have this done and they said five

1489
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:19,760
weeks. So I said was November doable.
They sounded that was doable.

1490
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:23,840
» Maybe there's a project plan or just
nothing too extravagant but just a

1491
01:55:21,679 --> 01:55:27,119
project plan of this is what it this is
what happens. This is how it gets

1492
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:29,199
installed. We have several of these
installed around the village.

1493
01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:33,280
» Yes.
>> Already and they're they are in concrete

1494
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:38,239
footing. Okay, great.
>> And they are immovable basically, but

1495
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:42,320
» just so just so we know and our public
works knows and parks knows.

1496
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:50,000
» Oh yes, I will get a detailed email from
them. Okay. tomorrow and um but I mean

1497
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:55,679
I'm excited to be at this point and just
I mean reading about just everything and

1498
01:55:52,560 --> 01:56:00,480
I saw how much this meant when the money
was being collected and people worked

1499
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:04,159
really hard to have a building
established and you feel that

1500
01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:10,639
perseverance and just to have you know
remember it it feels feels really good.

1501
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:12,880
» Kudos to you. No, to everybody. To
everybody

1502
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:14,480
» getting the support of the town, getting
the support.

1503
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:18,239
» Absolutely. Yes.
>> Uh the assembly woman,

1504
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:21,280
» everybody
legislator

1505
01:56:19,599 --> 01:56:26,320
» because when I first brought it up, I
couldn't do it without tears.

1506
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:31,280
» And now I'm feel like it's just I I
still feel emotional, but I'm able to

1507
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:36,080
deliver, you know, more than that. When
I first met um you know Rebecca Cassay

1508
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:41,360
and Steve Angelbrite it was with tears
that I was saying that a lot of people I

1509
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:44,800
read there when they passed away said
their funeral was at our net. They don't

1510
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:48,719
have a headstone. They're nowhere to be
there's nothing to even touch nothing

1511
01:56:46,719 --> 01:56:53,599
you know to remember them and it was
very emotional for me. So

1512
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:56,320
feels good.
>> Great.

1513
01:56:54,159 --> 01:57:00,239
» Great. Is there any information we can
give her uh to make contact with the

1514
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:02,320
architectural review committee? email or
something. So, just make it easier for

1515
01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:04,480
you while you
>> Thank you.

1516
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:07,840
» Yes, I can get that to you.
>> Okay. Appreciate that.

1517
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:10,639
» Silia, you can connect the two of us and
I would be happy to set that up for

1518
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:16,000
» just so make it easy for you.
>> Thank you so much. Thank you.

1519
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:19,440
» Very excited.
>> It's exciting news.

1520
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:23,280
» And and just love Port Jeff. Love
history. So, I'll I see everybody at all

1521
01:57:21,599 --> 01:57:27,320
the events. Thank you. Thank you very
much.

1522
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:27,320
» Thank you very much.

1523
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:38,760
Okay. Now, um we'll invite the Beachwood
representatives up.

1524
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:46,520
» Bring gifts.

1525
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:50,920
» Thank you for your patience.

1526
01:57:52,560 --> 01:58:00,320
» Thank you.
>> Oh, look who's here. Hello, legislator.

1527
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:04,000
» Thank you.
>> You just missed us.

1528
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:08,199
» Literally.
>> Keep your calendar open in November.

1529
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:12,960
» Would you like to say anything while
you're here?

1530
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:18,239
» Yeah. Come on up.
>> Thank you.

1531
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:22,719
» No, come on up. It's all right.
>> You made the trip.

1532
01:58:21,199 --> 01:58:26,880
This is
>> We have a speaker for you. Like a

1533
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:32,000
microphone.
This is a a part of the community's

1534
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:38,480
heritage that is too often forgotten.
Um that uh you're taking the time to

1535
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:43,599
remember it this evening. Um we're very
grateful to you. Uh I've seen the

1536
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:47,119
African-American
community in Great Neck almost

1537
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:52,480
disappear.
When I was a kid, I lived in Queens.

1538
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:59,840
used to drive out. There was a
significant uh community there.

1539
01:58:55,760 --> 01:59:04,800
Uh now it's nothing but uh
auto dealerships

1540
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:08,119
and office buildings.
They're gone.

1541
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:16,639
You're not going to let that happen
here. Uh this sign uh this historic

1542
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:20,320
marker is going to memorialize
uh many of the men and women who helped

1543
01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:26,159
build this community, helped build the
ships that were here,

1544
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:30,400
who toiled and labored and contributed
and that you're remembering that is

1545
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:39,280
heartening.
So thank you. I just I'm so honored uh

1546
01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:42,159
to uh to live amongst you and uh very
grateful that you gave me a chance to

1547
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:46,159
say a few words. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you for your contributions and

1548
01:59:43,679 --> 01:59:52,040
your advocacy.
>> Have a good day.

1549
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:52,040
» Night.

1550
01:59:53,440 --> 02:00:01,520
» All right. Take two.
>> Take two.

1551
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:05,520
» No problem. Thank you. Um Mayor
Trustees, I appreciate this opportunity

1552
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:09,520
to speak to you. My name is Richard
Rosenberg. I'm the attorney for the

1553
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:13,440
Beachwood organization and I'm here to
discuss I want to make sure I get the

1554
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:15,280
name right because you guys spent a lot
of time.

1555
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:22,000
» Yes, we did.
>> Harbor Cove at Mary Haven.

1556
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:28,880
Um, just to refresh, in November of last
year, the board of trustees had approved

1557
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:34,080
a resoning from PO to RM zone that would
allow us to build a 76 unit uh,

1558
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:38,639
condominium development. We went before
the board of um, zoning appeals in

1559
02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:41,840
January and received all the necessary
variances.

1560
02:00:40,159 --> 02:00:47,199
Since that time, we've been in the site
plan with the planning board. And I

1561
02:00:44,639 --> 02:00:51,520
believe right now, based on my last
conversation,

1562
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:54,960
all of the issues are are resolved but
for the sidewalks. And the sidewalks

1563
02:00:53,440 --> 02:01:00,080
took on a little bit of a life of its
own. And with your permission, I just

1564
02:00:58,239 --> 02:01:08,560
want to give you a bit of a recap if I
could. on page one of before you you

1565
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:16,320
will see um to the right hand side
there's an H. Now, just just briefly,

1566
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:20,480
the zoning the uh covenants and the
approval documents said that the

1567
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:25,520
applicant shall at it sole cost and
expense install a sidewalk along Myrtle

1568
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:30,639
Avenue from High Street across the
subject property to ultimately connect

1569
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:34,719
to the sidewalk with the school and with
any permission from adjacent owners to

1570
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:38,159
be obtained at no cost to applicant.
Once built, the sidewall would be

1571
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:44,800
dedicated to and maintained by the
village. So if you look at age, that is

1572
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:52,159
basically going around from the school
parking lot down Hill and it attaches

1573
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:56,480
into an existing um an existing road,
not a roadway, exist existing path

1574
02:01:54,560 --> 02:02:02,080
around 3T wide. It has not been
maintained. So what we're suggesting is

1575
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:08,080
refurbishing that and giving a little
boundary and redoing the 3-ft all the

1576
02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:16,880
way around to go to the school up front.
Going back to the left is I which is

1577
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:23,280
this was the sidewalk from Beltare
to the parking lot of the school

1578
02:02:20,719 --> 02:02:27,599
and initially we had to reach out to the
owner of that property which is

1579
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:31,760
Fairfield and we had to have a pretty
much a long discussion with them. Their

1580
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:37,679
concern was there's a sidewalk across
the street. Um why can't you use that?

1581
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:44,080
Um I told him it's not my discretion.
It's within the village right of way. Um

1582
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:49,119
so ultimately we intend to do a 4 foot
wide

1583
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:54,480
um sidewalk going from Beltare to the
school parking lot and up to the village

1584
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:59,440
whether we do typically that could be a
twoft strip of grass that will be

1585
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:04,400
maintained by the village. So the
question is whether you want that or

1586
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:09,679
whether it's just the curb and a 4ft.
Now what we would do is every 200 feet

1587
02:03:07,119 --> 02:03:15,280
we would do a five-foot turnaround to
comply with the ADA requirements and

1588
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:19,040
what have you. So I believe we resolved
those.

1589
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:26,400
Right at the front of the development
you will see number J which is the wall

1590
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:33,360
uh excuse me the path that's going to go
from our development to Beltare Road.

1591
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:39,280
Now, just as an aside, uh the board was
very concerned about the intersection of

1592
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:44,239
Myrtle and Beltier. We agreed to certain
um do certain things to improve it. We

1593
02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:49,119
then spoke with the planning uh board
chair who is a traffic consultant and

1594
02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:53,760
we've improved it more with traffic
lights with uh we're basically going to

1595
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:58,480
rebuild that entire traffic light at our
sole cost and expense. And we're also

1596
02:03:56,080 --> 02:04:06,159
going to have a walkway that's going to
go across belt with signals.

1597
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:12,239
The issue that we have is along myrtle
and Myrtle is number D. And if I could

1598
02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:17,000
just ask you to go to number three in
the presentation bottom right hand

1599
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:17,000
corner.

1600
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:25,760
I went before the planning board and at
the beginning we had estimated the trees

1601
02:04:22,719 --> 02:04:31,440
and to do the sidewalk from High Street
all the way up to our entrance way.

1602
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:37,639
Right now based upon uh field surveys
there's 80 trees that would need to be

1603
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:37,639
removed. Now

1604
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:48,239
it really breaks into about 1,00 to,100
square ft of property that's alongside

1605
02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:54,639
the Mary Haven Beachwood property and
then there's another 500 ft below Inwood

1606
02:04:51,679 --> 02:05:02,239
from Myrtle going down Myrtle to High
Street down there. So, what we proposed

1607
02:04:57,679 --> 02:05:07,599
is we drew in a 4ft wide sidewalk going
from the front entrance to Inred Road

1608
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:12,560
and we had a twoft curb
to excuse me a twoft strip. Now, again,

1609
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:16,880
it's maintenance to the village. Uh, if
the village likes and I just go to 4ft,

1610
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:22,480
I can save eight trees out of the box
because I'm not going as far in. But

1611
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:26,800
we're prepared to do the sidewalk um
there um in accordance with applicable

1612
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:32,000
rules and regulations.
And that leads me to the last part which

1613
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:37,199
is the hold up of my site plan.
Um this is from Inwood Road down to High

1614
02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:42,159
Street. Now, at the very corner of High
Street to your left hand side, you

1615
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:47,280
really can't see it, but that is pretty
much the front yard of that house, which

1616
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:51,679
has existing hedges and is over the
right of way of the village.

1617
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:55,440
Then we have the property of Canyon
Creek and we've been um dealing with

1618
02:05:53,679 --> 02:05:59,920
Canyon Creek for the better part of 3
four years at this point and they were

1619
02:05:57,760 --> 02:06:08,560
very concerned because that is the
steepest area along Myrtle and to put in

1620
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:14,639
that sidewalk would not only require a
retaining wall substantial but also the

1621
02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:21,360
removal of 30 trees. So, in prior
discussions with various people of the

1622
02:06:16,719 --> 02:06:27,040
of the uh board, um
if we could go to number two now, uh

1623
02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:33,360
excuse me, number four, my apologies.
What that shows is the entire sidewalk

1624
02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:40,719
along Myrtle going around Spraggy Hill
and then along the Beachwood property up

1625
02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:46,400
until Inwood Road. And at Inwood Road,
the width of the roadway there is 33 to

1626
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:52,000
34 feet. Now, north of Inwood Road, it's
29 feet. So, those those are kind of

1627
02:06:49,119 --> 02:07:00,880
important numbers. So, what we suggest
is going now, I promise this is the last

1628
02:06:55,280 --> 02:07:08,639
one, um to number two.
And what we propose is I can save 30

1629
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:14,960
plus trees if I restripe that area from
High Street to Inwood Road. Now there

1630
02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:21,760
are three um three drawings on the right
hand side. The first shows a 33 ft width

1631
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:29,760
with a 12T northbound and southbound
then 4 and 1/2t shoulder on each side.

1632
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:34,800
Um, if I reduce the traffic lane to 11
ft, which is the minimum required, I can

1633
02:07:32,639 --> 02:07:41,119
increase the so shoulder on both sides
by 5.5 ft. I asked my traffic engineer,

1634
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:46,159
could I cheat from the other side and
move it over? And they said that really

1635
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:50,960
best engineering practices is the middle
of the road should be where the crown

1636
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:56,480
is. So you go from there to there. So
while there's no requirement of a

1637
02:07:53,199 --> 02:08:04,639
shoulder, he had proposed 4 and 1/2 or 5
1/2 ft. And what we would do then is

1638
02:08:01,199 --> 02:08:09,920
restripe the restripe that area. And I
would have 4 1/2 ft up and one of the

1639
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:14,880
one of the issues that the uh board had
concerns about is safety of the people

1640
02:08:11,679 --> 02:08:19,280
as did we. And it really comes down to a
balancing act. Now I spoke with the

1641
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:24,000
engineers and there are delineated
posts. You've seen them on the Parkway.

1642
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:31,760
You've seen them at the bridge where you
go in and it's kind of like a uh it's

1643
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:36,960
kind of a plastic PVC up and it has um
it has uh lights in it. It doesn't have

1644
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:41,040
lights in it. It's what whatever you
want. It's a bit of a maintenance issue

1645
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:46,239
and the village would be doing the
maintenance. So, the question is what do

1646
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:50,880
you want and what could you use at this
point? What I tried to do after speaking

1647
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:56,000
with the village attorney was to come up
with something that gives you the

1648
02:08:53,440 --> 02:09:02,880
sidewalk that we promised that saves
trees. Um, and really what I'm proposing

1649
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:08,639
is a 4 and 1/2 or 5 1/2 ft shoulder as
opposed to a sidewalk. And I would just

1650
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:13,920
point out that presently
there's nothing. And I did speak with

1651
02:09:12,079 --> 02:09:18,000
Canyon Creek to get their spin on
things. I explained to them that if the

1652
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:24,480
village wanted, I could go into the
right of way and I can take property

1653
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:32,159
that is the villages basically do it
there, but I would require a heck of a

1654
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:35,840
retaining wall and um again trees. So I
believe I can almost split the amount of

1655
02:09:34,079 --> 02:09:41,520
trees in half that we originally
proposed by doing this. Now this is a

1656
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:47,920
condition of the approval that was given
by this board. We presented it to the

1657
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:54,000
planning board and basically said, "Let
me get started. We're going to solve

1658
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:57,360
this. Let me get started and um we'll
make this subject too. We could tie it

1659
02:09:55,440 --> 02:10:01,440
to certificates of occupancy. We could
tie it to a bond. We could tie it to

1660
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:08,239
whatever you want that allows me to
proceed." And the board wanted an

1661
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:12,159
indication of how the trustees felt
about this. And I just want to point in

1662
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:16,560
we spoke to the planning director and
the DPW commissioner asked them to come

1663
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:21,280
out to the site and walk with us and
they basically told us we follow the

1664
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:28,239
edict of the board of trustees. So until
you have a direction from them there's

1665
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:33,599
nothing for us to do. So I'm hung up at
site plan. I've tried resolving this for

1666
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:38,560
quite a while. I was working with
Trustee Hill previously and then there

1667
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:46,960
was the question of
um could there be a mixture of

1668
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:51,360
some sidewalk some funds funds in L so
the village could do whatever they

1669
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:58,159
wanted and council advised that no
sidewalks is what we want address that

1670
02:10:54,239 --> 02:11:03,440
so that's where I am right now I once
again I believe I'm resolved as far as

1671
02:11:00,719 --> 02:11:08,400
all other issues on my site plan but for
this

1672
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:14,159
um I've seen um some writings from the
civic association we've tried to include

1673
02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:18,480
that with the two foot which they wanted
but it becomes a maintenance issue so

1674
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:25,840
I'm just looking for direction there
my wish list is if you like the if you

1675
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:30,960
like the uh green part the two-foot I
can gladly do it on Beltare Road in the

1676
02:11:28,719 --> 02:11:36,159
front of my property but when we go down
south on Myrtle, that 2 ft becomes

1677
02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:41,679
pretty important as far as saving more
trees and as well as the retaining wall.

1678
02:11:39,199 --> 02:11:46,079
Um,
how many feet of sidewalk are we talking

1679
02:11:43,840 --> 02:11:50,480
about from Inwood to High Street?
>> Approximately 480.

1680
02:11:47,599 --> 02:11:53,760
» About 480. And And how many feet of um
retaining wall are we talking about

1681
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:57,840
» on that side? It would be 480.
>> Another So you're you're going retaining

1682
02:11:55,360 --> 02:12:03,119
wall from Inwood all the way down to
High Street. I have to because the slope

1683
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:05,440
is so so high at the at the roadway.
>> Okay. I'm going to have to go take a

1684
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:10,639
look at that again. All right.
>> Well, the retaining wall would there's a

1685
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:12,800
there's a uh residential property about
halfway

1686
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:15,360
down.
>> You're right.

1687
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:19,840
» Where it wouldn't require a retaining
wall per se, and I'm not saying that for

1688
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:23,679
any reason um prejudice or no prejudice.
But what what about I'm sorry. Are you

1689
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:28,480
done with your questions?
>> Please go. We're on the same group.

1690
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:34,159
» Okay. Um, what about curbing?
>> Mark on the calendar.

1691
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:39,599
» Um, for the the 480.
>> For the 480, curbing, we weren't going

1692
02:12:37,199 --> 02:12:45,599
to do curbing. I can do curbing.
>> Um, the issue is that from the end of

1693
02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:51,440
the pavement, there is curbing and
drainage in place already. I can do

1694
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:55,840
additional curbing but the idea was to
give as big a shoulder as possible and

1695
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:58,800
leave that alone for drainage purposes.
>> There is curbing there. I don't I can't

1696
02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:00,960
» There is curbing.
>> Visualize it.

1697
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:03,520
» Um yes, there is curbing there.
>> Okay.

1698
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:06,480
» All the way all the way up.
>> Yes.

1699
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:10,719
» Where where we talked about curbing?
>> The question was from inward to um high

1700
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:14,079
street.
>> There's an existing curb there, right?

1701
02:13:12,079 --> 02:13:17,199
curb in front of the property owner's
property, but

1702
02:13:15,520 --> 02:13:19,119
» uh does it goes all the way up to
Inwood?

1703
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:21,840
» It goes all the way up to
>> and then out out of Inwood all the way

1704
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:24,560
further east.
>> That's right. Okay.

1705
02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:29,920
» So, what we're what I'm proposing is the
sidewalk inwood up.

1706
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:33,599
» Um I've been I spoke with Kenya Creek.
They have an entrance with some boulders

1707
02:13:31,679 --> 02:13:36,639
and what have you. I told them you're on
the village right of way. We'll figure

1708
02:13:35,599 --> 02:13:39,199
it out.
>> Um

1709
02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:42,960
» so just just to get a clarification.
Sure. From Inwood to High Street. Um,

1710
02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:46,560
you're saying there's going to be a two
there potentially, right now, currently

1711
02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:49,040
in the plan, there's a two- foot strip
of, uh,

1712
02:13:47,119 --> 02:13:51,920
» if I did the sidewalk, there's a 4 foot
sidewalk and a two-ft strip.

1713
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:58,800
» Okay.
>> And if I do that, um, as I said, I'm

1714
02:13:55,040 --> 02:14:02,480
affecting 30 trees. And I understand
it's safety, but I understand also

1715
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:07,280
» a two-ft strip
>> and went curb 4T across. How would that

1716
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:10,560
affect the trees?
>> Probably 28. There's really not. Do we

1717
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:13,040
save 28 or
>> what's No, I would lose 28.

1718
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:16,880
» Lose 28. Okay.
>> It's because of the slope is so high.

1719
02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:23,679
» Understood.
>> Highest point of the retaining wall.

1720
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:29,760
» The retaining wall is figured at 3 ft
north of Inwood. And then between Inwood

1721
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:35,119
and Myrtle, north of the house that's
currently at the corner, it would be

1722
02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:37,040
diverse going anywhere between 3 to 5t.
>> Okay. So, you're talking inward to high

1723
02:14:36,719 --> 02:14:38,800
street.
>> Yes.

1724
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:41,840
» Okay.
All right.

1725
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:45,599
» So, those plastic ballards you're talk
or those PVC ballards you're talking

1726
02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:50,159
about, is that is that am I correct?
>> I'm suggesting whatever you whatever you

1727
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:55,599
like. Um, it was suggested and I
>> Dickens Dickens lighting all over again.

1728
02:14:52,400 --> 02:15:01,119
» Yeah. Yeah. And the other part is if the
cement the traffic engineer says would

1729
02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:04,159
be a safety problem and I what I'm
trying to help I'm going to make worse

1730
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:09,440
with the cars.
>> Right. So, it's really the balancing

1731
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:14,000
that, you know, when we did the zoning.
Um,

1732
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:21,440
I committed to a sidewalk subject, too.
Um, I'm happy to do it, but I saw the

1733
02:15:17,360 --> 02:15:27,119
danger in it and I saw Canyon Creek was
upset and after three years of dealing

1734
02:15:25,119 --> 02:15:32,480
of working with them and keeping them
revised. I'm not saying bear the edict.

1735
02:15:30,239 --> 02:15:38,159
I'm just saying I was trying to find the
middle ground. What does your traffic

1736
02:15:34,719 --> 02:15:42,639
engineer say about um the the 4 foot
white line? the 4 foot. I'm sorry. The

1737
02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:46,320
four foot
>> line from instead of it,

1738
02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:50,639
» oh, four and a half to five and a half,
what what he says is

1739
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:56,639
» you have a shoulder. It's defined. It's
defined more than now. It's certainly a

1740
02:15:53,040 --> 02:16:03,599
better situation, but when I went to him
and I said, I want more. Let's move it

1741
02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:08,880
over. He said again, where the crown of
the roadway, that's against engineering

1742
02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:14,239
principles. From where I stand, I've
walked it and it's pretty level up

1743
02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:18,560
there. But I have to advise you what the
engineer told us.

1744
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:24,320
But what I'm trying to figure out is
number one,

1745
02:16:20,719 --> 02:16:29,760
I'd like to finish the issue. Number
two,

1746
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:33,760
if this board wants uh to take a look at
things because I believe it's within

1747
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:38,639
their jurisdiction. This is an offsite
improvement, sidewalks to be maintained

1748
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:44,160
by the village. So, I think it's before
the village trustees, but I'm locked in

1749
02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:49,359
with the planning board who want some
type of resolution. And I've asked them

1750
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:55,519
previously, close my hearing, make it a
condition, and we'll get everything you

1751
02:16:51,599 --> 02:16:58,880
need. But as of right now, um, they were
hesitant to do so without further

1752
02:16:57,120 --> 02:17:03,359
advice.
And as I mentioned, I did try planning

1753
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:08,559
DPW.
Um, this was out of their bandwidth.

1754
02:17:06,960 --> 02:17:10,960
They weren't prepared to to go on the
line for that. I

1755
02:17:09,359 --> 02:17:13,599
» I think Rich, what would be for me what
would be helpful, I don't know about the

1756
02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:17,359
rest of the board, is if maybe if your
traffic engineer wanted to do a a field

1757
02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:19,920
trip,
>> okay,

1758
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:22,240
» to Inwood to Myrtle. And let's take
let's actually get eyes on it to see

1759
02:17:21,519 --> 02:17:24,160
» Oh, he's been there.
>> No, no, for us.

1760
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:26,800
» Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. I mean, I've I've been there, too.

1761
02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:31,040
I I've walked up that hill a million
times. I just want to see, you know, if

1762
02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:33,359
you have the plans already designed for
the retaining wall, seeing exactly what

1763
02:17:32,880 --> 02:17:37,519
we're talking about.
>> The retaining wall is mostly 2, three

1764
02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:39,760
feet and it gets bigger there.
>> You said something about a safety issue.

1765
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:46,559
So, I'm just kind of
>> Well, the safety issue would be if I did

1766
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:49,760
the sidewalk. It's defined by the curb,
but I'm wiping out the slope and the

1767
02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:51,760
trees. So,
>> you're supporting that with retaining

1768
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:54,080
walls.
>> I'm supporting that with retaining

1769
02:17:52,880 --> 02:17:59,760
walls, but the trees are going to come
down. There's no no doubt about it. And

1770
02:17:56,399 --> 02:18:05,120
the other part that I am a little um
apprehensive of, but you never know, is

1771
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:09,280
I don't know where the roots are coming.
All I could do is go out and have the

1772
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:14,080
engineer tell me what trees do you
think? Give me give give me give me the

1773
02:18:11,359 --> 02:18:20,240
realistic number of trees. And there's a
chance there could be some uh some long

1774
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:25,679
roots that could affect another tree. So
it when I say safety, I think it's

1775
02:18:22,880 --> 02:18:29,840
better than there, but it's not it's a
shoulder. It's not a walkway.

1776
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:33,519
» And I think the added concern with
taking down the trees is the

1777
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:37,040
destabilization then of that
>> but drainage. Yeah.

1778
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:41,040
» And drainage. Um you take the root
system out and now you've destabilized.

1779
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:43,040
Even with a retaining wall, you don't
really know until you know,

1780
02:18:42,399 --> 02:18:47,760
» right?
>> And it could cause a problem. And you

1781
02:18:45,519 --> 02:18:54,000
know, when we're doing it, once we have
direction, depending on the retaining

1782
02:18:49,599 --> 02:19:00,399
wall, um my client Mike Dub has a very
big um background in landscape. He's

1783
02:18:57,519 --> 02:19:04,399
going to try to save whatever tree we
can, you know, but at this point, it's

1784
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:08,960
hard to identify it until you're
actually in the field and you see what

1785
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:14,399
where the roots are. In your estimation
from Inwood to High Street, if you

1786
02:19:12,479 --> 02:19:18,639
proceeded with the sidewalk, it would
be, you think, a minimum of 40 trees?

1787
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:20,719
» A minimum of 30 trees would be taken
down there.

1788
02:19:19,120 --> 02:19:21,760
» 30 trees would be taken down now from
that.

1789
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:25,880
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1790
02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:25,880
» Those numbers are

1791
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:31,840
» the number I'm sorry, that's that's the
numbers in red.

1792
02:19:28,960 --> 02:19:36,319
» Yeah. Just in in um number three and
number four.

1793
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:38,800
I have it I have it bigger, but you have
a black dot with a circle around. Those

1794
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:40,880
are the trees.
>> We can see them. We can see them.

1795
02:19:40,319 --> 02:19:43,359
» Thank you.
>> Okay.

1796
02:19:41,679 --> 02:19:47,920
» So,
the the

1797
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:54,240
Let's talk about what the aesthetic is.
From sidewalk to no sidewalk and from

1798
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:59,359
sidewalk to white line. What's the
What's the I mean, Beachwood is all

1799
02:19:57,760 --> 02:20:04,240
about aesthetics. So,
>> right. What we'll do is we're obviously

1800
02:20:02,240 --> 02:20:10,479
it's we don't know what it's going to
look like. So, we're gonna obviously

1801
02:20:06,880 --> 02:20:14,640
have a replanting plan to put in because
it's impossible to see how these trees

1802
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:19,359
come down, what it's going to look like.
So, we would do that.

1803
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:23,439
» The sidewalk all the way around is
similar to the sidewalk elsewhere in the

1804
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:30,720
village. and elsewhere in the village
and I have pictures. There are certain

1805
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:37,120
areas that have the twoft, but it it's
um it's not really maintained. Um, and

1806
02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:41,760
there are all there are sidewalks that
are 4 foot that are just the curve,

1807
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:46,880
which is ideally
gets me to do some of the sidewalk, save

1808
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:56,000
40 trees because by getting rid of the
two feet, I'm saving I'm saving um trees

1809
02:20:52,640 --> 02:21:03,359
going from inward up to my entrance.
So there I might have 40 43 trees and

1810
02:21:00,319 --> 02:21:10,080
now um I'm taking down 39 or something
like that. So it's it's a lot that you

1811
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:13,840
know the question is
what's a tree? If it's a sapling I'm

1812
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:18,399
counting it as a tree because it's a
tree. So you know

1813
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:20,319
» planning board has definitions of
significance, right?

1814
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:27,520
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> So is a sapling a significant tree?

1815
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:31,120
» Um depends how big it is. Of course,
>> everything is there, but typically it's

1816
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:33,280
typically it's, you know, over over a
foot wide and

1817
02:21:32,319 --> 02:21:39,120
» it's not a weed.
>> Right. Right. Um, but the, as I said,

1818
02:21:36,880 --> 02:21:44,319
the issue that I have and I I don't know
how to get out of is

1819
02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:50,160
who has jurisdiction over this issue.
I'm gonna do whatever the trustees are

1820
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:54,240
I'm directed to. But I'm playing patty
cake right now because I've gone before

1821
02:21:52,319 --> 02:21:59,600
the board a trustee the board of
planning board and we've had two

1822
02:21:57,439 --> 02:22:04,720
hearings. They didn't want to close it
and they want some input on this on

1823
02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:08,319
this. I know I'm going to satisfy it. I
just don't know.

1824
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:11,120
» You're looking for direction and and
closure, right?

1825
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:16,399
» I'm looking for direction and closure.
But if I can if the board if this board

1826
02:22:13,600 --> 02:22:18,800
wants to take a look at it, I have no
issues if we could just make that

1827
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:22,880
subject too.
>> Okay. So the issue as I see it is and I

1828
02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:30,080
I did some research. I spoke to the
special uh council lane use council. Um

1829
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:35,520
I believe your statement is correct, Mr.
Rosenberg that um the only issue hanging

1830
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:40,479
up a some type of conditional approval
or conditioned approval is this sidewalk

1831
02:22:38,479 --> 02:22:45,760
which is I believe to be the complete
and utter jurisdiction of the board of

1832
02:22:42,319 --> 02:22:50,800
trustees as it is our covenant. Um what
I am hearing is a commitment on your end

1833
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:55,200
to do whatever this board would like you
to do whether it's a sidewalk whether

1834
02:22:53,040 --> 02:22:57,760
it's saving trees whether
>> absolutely we

1835
02:22:55,920 --> 02:23:01,520
» or whether there's an alternative middle
ground. We've we've studied it and tried

1836
02:22:59,920 --> 02:23:04,319
to come up with the alternative, but I'm
open.

1837
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:09,040
» And I and I we had a meeting with Trusty
Snen and and the mayor and I I I I

1838
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:12,800
thought Trusty Sn had a great idea with
the bumping it out with the ballasters.

1839
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:17,520
You're telling me I can understand the
safety issue of concrete on the roadway.

1840
02:23:15,439 --> 02:23:21,680
» Um
>> but from my position, you're done with

1841
02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:24,000
the planning board. I believe
>> not according to the planning board

1842
02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:28,319
» and that and that's why you're looking
for that direction tonight. And what I'm

1843
02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:31,600
hearing from the trustees is they would
like a little more time to digest to

1844
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:36,560
come up what whatever we're going to
direct this board's going to direct you

1845
02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:42,000
to do. And under that theory,
I would suggest that the direction be to

1846
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:47,359
the planning board is conditionally
approve whatever. Again, if the board

1847
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:50,399
says paint the sidewalk pink because
that's our covenant. The planning board

1848
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:54,000
doesn't get the way in on a pink
sidewalk, it's the co it's the

1849
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:57,520
jurisdiction of this board. So, I
understand the predicament you're in.

1850
02:23:55,520 --> 02:24:00,800
It's also a predicament we're in because
we would like your project to move

1851
02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:06,399
forward as well as I'm sure with
everybody and specifically um I I I

1852
02:24:04,880 --> 02:24:10,240
think I see a member of the walkability
group here. Um the sidewalks are

1853
02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:13,280
paramount.
>> Um and I believe that's the direction I

1854
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:18,640
gave you. It seems like you've honored
that commitment. Um,

1855
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:21,439
I also agree with Trusty Franco. If he
needs more time and wants to go look at

1856
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:25,439
it, we should give you that time, but it
also shouldn't hold up your application

1857
02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:30,720
since we have complete jurisdiction. Um,
I guess what I'm concluding is

1858
02:24:28,479 --> 02:24:37,040
I will attempt again to speak to council
to the um special counsel to the to the

1859
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:42,560
planning board and advise him that I
would suggest they close their hearing

1860
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:46,880
with whatever conditions they would like
to put on you as a reference to the

1861
02:24:44,240 --> 02:24:49,200
sidewalk if my client is in amendable to
that.

1862
02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:55,920
» That's what I would like to see. I don't
want us holding up the conditional. Um,

1863
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:59,439
there's no reason to. I think there's
been a lot of good faith effort on

1864
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:02,080
Beachwood's part to make sure this gets
done. They wouldn't have done all of

1865
02:25:00,800 --> 02:25:06,479
this work if they're going to stop at
some point. And if it's just us needing

1866
02:25:04,399 --> 02:25:11,760
time to go look at the site, which you
know, that's absolutely fine in my mind.

1867
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:15,280
Um, I would advise that that
recommendation would work.

1868
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:17,280
» And at the end of the day, without that
CO, you're not occupying.

1869
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:21,600
» Exactly.
>> So, this condition has to get met,

1870
02:25:19,040 --> 02:25:27,200
» right? But take it one step further with
the planning board. Um

1871
02:25:24,560 --> 02:25:31,840
once it leaves our jurisdiction, it goes
back into their jurisdiction that it's

1872
02:25:29,359 --> 02:25:32,479
designed and constructed the right way.
>> Yes.

1873
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:35,359
» Yeah.
>> It would either be planning board or

1874
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:39,680
building department, but we would we
would fully engineer it and I would

1875
02:25:37,280 --> 02:25:42,720
assume based upon what we've done
throughout it'll be sent out to your

1876
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:45,040
consulting engineer to make sure it's
right.

1877
02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:49,680
» And that's that that to me is the
reassurance that we need.

1878
02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:57,040
» We totally 100% that's why we
>> And then I have one more one more thing.

1879
02:25:53,359 --> 02:26:01,439
So, uh, and I'm just throwing it out
there because I can and I thought about

1880
02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:05,600
it and I'm thinking about the aesthetic.
Trees are one thing. Inside the ropes is

1881
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:10,800
one thing. Outside the ropes is the
other aesthetic. So what Myrtle Avenue

1882
02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:16,479
will end up looking like after this
project is done in terms of how the how

1883
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:20,880
the how the white line is drawn. Uh
where it starts, where it stops, how

1884
02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:26,240
it's designed, what are the
communication mechanisms inside that

1885
02:26:23,920 --> 02:26:30,240
white line if there is one, if it's a
bike lane or a walking lane or some sort

1886
02:26:28,319 --> 02:26:35,840
of you know um
>> the engineer said the best I could do

1887
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:40,160
was a shoulder on that southernly part.
Thereafter, I'm in the sidewalk. So,

1888
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:45,120
it's only an issue for that bottom 400
ft. And what I would request is when you

1889
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:50,000
do go out for the field, if you would
take a look at the road looking up from

1890
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:54,479
High Street because it's generally
straight, which is good. And when you go

1891
02:26:52,479 --> 02:26:59,760
to the bend, I'm doing the sidewalk
there, so nobody's going to it's not

1892
02:26:57,280 --> 02:27:04,080
going to be surprise. I could see
straight up to

1893
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:07,280
Canyon Creek. Would it be helpful to the
aesthetic to mill and pave

1894
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:09,920
» to
>> mill and pave and re rest re restripe

1895
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:12,160
that whole road?
>> If you want, we'll do it.

1896
02:27:11,439 --> 02:27:16,720
» Okay.
>> Not a problem. I also I also asked him

1897
02:27:15,200 --> 02:27:21,120
about rumble strips and things like
that. And he said, "Well, it's a

1898
02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:26,479
question of maintenance and you guys are
going to be doing the snow and what have

1899
02:27:22,960 --> 02:27:30,399
you, but I think you I'm open. I just
want to I just want to get there and as

1900
02:27:28,479 --> 02:27:34,399
far as the aesthetics is concerned,
we'll work with you." And then obviously

1901
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:38,160
if there were bare spots, we're going to
fill them in.

1902
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:44,399
» I just uh I have one more question and
and and it it could be my mistake. Um

1903
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:50,640
when and I know you read the covenant. I
thought the sidewalk on Scraggy went

1904
02:27:47,439 --> 02:27:55,439
past the school.
>> I Well, I know that the black top stops

1905
02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:58,240
right where your pen is right now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just saying I

1906
02:27:56,640 --> 02:28:00,880
thought the the sidewalk
>> the school has a sidewalk there.

1907
02:27:59,520 --> 02:28:04,720
» No, it has a sidewalk. Yeah. And it was
going to carry past the school.

1908
02:28:02,720 --> 02:28:07,520
» We were supposed to connect into
>> That's what I'm trying to find out.

1909
02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:10,000
» We were supposed to connect into the
path and what we're going to do is

1910
02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:13,600
refurbish the whole thing.
>> This this

1911
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:16,720
No, that I that I'm aware of.
>> I'm just saying I I thought when we had

1912
02:28:15,040 --> 02:28:19,760
that original covenant that we were
tying it to this sidewalk and then

1913
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:22,960
taking it past the school.
>> I can I that wasn't the original

1914
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:26,319
understanding.
>> Okay. That's why I was

1915
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:30,720
» collection. Okay. No, I just wanted to
figure that out. All right. Thank you.

1916
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:34,720
I thank you for your time.
>> One more question. Is there a way to

1917
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:40,479
resurface if we were to do a walking
path or a shoulder to make a different

1918
02:28:37,600 --> 02:28:44,640
surface on that walking path to more
than delineate with a white line that

1919
02:28:42,560 --> 02:28:49,840
could show drivers that's, you know,
it's not a place to drive.

1920
02:28:46,800 --> 02:28:53,520
» Um whether it be a stamped concrete or
concrete so it looks like a sidewalk. I

1921
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:57,359
don't know if that's doable. What I'd
like to do is bring in my traffic

1922
02:28:55,200 --> 02:29:02,240
engineer because I think these are all
good ideas and he has

1923
02:28:59,439 --> 02:29:05,040
» he tells me no and I I want I want him
to tell me yes.

1924
02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:08,240
» Yeah.
>> Um apologize you

1925
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:12,359
» attorney Mar.
>> You have to speak to the attorney.

1926
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:16,720
» I think if I'm hearing the board
correctly, you would like the

1927
02:29:15,439 --> 02:29:22,479
application to proceed at the planning
board. We'll maintain jurisdiction of

1928
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:26,399
what and how and the and and the soup to
nuts on what the sidewalk's going to be

1929
02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:32,319
based on your clear commitment as
trustee Snen suggested and I mean the

1930
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:35,680
planning board is an autonomous board
but I will speak to their council and

1931
02:29:34,319 --> 02:29:41,920
tell them we wish to retain this
jurisdiction and them having no open

1932
02:29:38,800 --> 02:29:45,439
issues at planning I would think that
they would be able to close it with a

1933
02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:49,040
condition but I will have those
discussions. appreciate that.

1934
02:29:46,880 --> 02:29:54,319
» I'll put this on the record that, you
know, the the board of trustees in the

1935
02:29:50,960 --> 02:29:59,359
past has accommodated a request to
decouple,

1936
02:29:55,600 --> 02:30:03,520
» per se, a um covenant with a a CEO,
>> right?

1937
02:30:00,240 --> 02:30:07,040
» And we're still 18 months into the lack
of starting of that project, right?

1938
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:09,760
» Completely different project.
>> Understood.

1939
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:13,200
» But I just want to put that in your in
your in your mind so that you're

1940
02:30:12,080 --> 02:30:17,280
thinking about it and
>> we have been.

1941
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:17,280
» Okay.

1942
02:30:17,439 --> 02:30:23,600
Um, thank you. I appreciate it. Hope I
didn't take too much of your time.

1943
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:27,760
» Could we put a time limit on it for the
board of trustees to go to the site if

1944
02:30:25,439 --> 02:30:32,560
necessary? Maybe add it to the next work
session to come to a decision

1945
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:36,479
» so it doesn't just linger on our part.
>> You guys tell me what I'm excited. I'm

1946
02:30:34,800 --> 02:30:39,920
good. So you guys, if that's what you
want to do, feel free.

1947
02:30:38,720 --> 02:30:42,399
» I'd like to see I'd like to see the
site.

1948
02:30:40,399 --> 02:30:45,760
» Is that enough time is what I'm saying.
Is that enough time for you? one month.

1949
02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:48,160
Do it at the next work session.
>> That's fine.

1950
02:30:46,160 --> 02:30:49,600
» Well, tomorrow's the day. Tomorrow is
the planning board meeting,

1951
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:52,479
» right?
>> But the idea was to get it subject two

1952
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:54,960
and
>> subject two and then tomorrow. Yeah.

1953
02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:58,560
» We can decide.
>> And then what we'll do is I'll bring my

1954
02:30:57,040 --> 02:30:59,600
engineer out to walk with you.
>> Sure.

1955
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:01,760
» Thanks.
>> Every there you go.

1956
02:31:00,720 --> 02:31:05,600
» Looking for every idea.
>> Trusty, if I may, if I'm hearing you

1957
02:31:03,439 --> 02:31:09,600
correctly,
>> sometimes in this municipal process, you

1958
02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:13,760
get your conditional approval and then
you do a thousand other things and lose

1959
02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:19,040
sight of the condition. Could you get
the start? Um I I think what Trusty

1960
02:31:17,439 --> 02:31:22,960
Stain is saying is we're going to keep
you, Mr. Rosenberg, on a tight leash. We

1961
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:23,920
make our decisions.
>> That's fine.

1962
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:27,680
» So,
>> well, I'm I'm keeping ourselves on a

1963
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:32,160
tight leash.
>> We go to the site, look at it, and at

1964
02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:35,520
some point we have to say, okay, we want
sidewalk, we want walkway, we want

1965
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:40,000
retaining wall trees, no whatever it
might be, we have to come back, I think

1966
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:43,120
at a work session, discuss what we see,
what we've discussed, and make a

1967
02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:47,280
decision. Right.
and finalize it. I don't want to hold

1968
02:31:45,439 --> 02:31:51,439
you guys up anymore.
>> I would love to work on my conditions,

1969
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:52,640
pay the fees, get going, and tie it up
to cos,

1970
02:31:52,160 --> 02:31:56,560
» right?
>> We're not going anywhere. We really want

1971
02:31:54,399 --> 02:32:00,720
to solve it, and I think
>> I think we came up with a couple of

1972
02:31:58,160 --> 02:32:03,200
decent alternatives, but
>> as I said, you guys just direct us.

1973
02:32:02,640 --> 02:32:08,680
» Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Have

1974
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:08,680
a good day. Thank you. Thank you, Rich.

1975
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:32,479
Okay. Do we have a motion to go into
executive session? I've been waiting for

1976
02:32:30,240 --> 02:32:36,560
this all night. Take three.
>> I will make a motion

1977
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:44,520
» and then we'll come back and do reports
and resolutions.

1978
02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:44,520
We have votes to go apparently.

1979
02:32:44,960 --> 02:32:51,399
» It is what it is. It's half a dozen of
one and six of the other.

1980
02:32:48,399 --> 02:32:51,399
» Well,

1981
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:55,600
» I vote no.
>> I don't think we had a second.

1982
02:32:54,960 --> 02:33:00,240
» Do we have a second?
>> I'm sorry. We have have a motion. We

1983
02:32:58,160 --> 02:33:04,479
have Trusty Dit's motion on the floor.
Is there a second?

1984
02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:08,080
» I'll second. There's discussion.
>> There we go. Well, you beat me to it.

1985
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:13,600
» All right. I I'd rather finish the
agenda and then go into exec at the end

1986
02:33:11,359 --> 02:33:17,680
for the reasons stated earlier.
>> I mean I I mean I know I made the

1987
02:33:15,439 --> 02:33:22,240
motion, but I
had advocated for that a few meetings

1988
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:27,760
ago. So
>> the clerk said we're going to be voting

1989
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:34,880
executive session. So I I like I said,
six of one for me, half a dozen of the

1990
02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:38,800
other. And um I'd like to get I' I'd
actually like to get the executive

1991
02:33:36,319 --> 02:33:44,600
session over with so we can then go
right through all the resolutions and

1992
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:44,600
reports.

1993
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:51,280
» I I'd like to just keep going and let's
finish up what we have and then we'll go

1994
02:33:48,880 --> 02:33:56,080
into executive session and come back.
>> So we keep the technology folks late, we

1995
02:33:54,399 --> 02:33:59,680
keep our attorney late, we'd keep our
treasurer late, we keep everybody late.

1996
02:33:57,760 --> 02:34:01,920
It doesn't have to be late. the same
time.

1997
02:34:00,720 --> 02:34:06,960
» No, we don't
>> we wouldn't have we wouldn't have

1998
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:10,399
technology necessarily. If we
>> we're going to have to come back.

1999
02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:14,960
» If we go if we go to exact session, get
all of our resolutions intact and come

2000
02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:17,840
up and vote go and work through them
all, then everybody leaves at the same

2001
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:23,760
time.
>> No, I think our time is I don't I don't

2002
02:34:20,560 --> 02:34:27,600
think that that's going to change. I
think it's just Yeah, the time is the

2003
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:31,040
time. We're just changing the
>> I'm looking out for the people, the

2004
02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:34,960
public. That's all. I'm looking out for
the public. I don't think they should

2005
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:38,000
have to sit through an hour of nothing
>> where Let them see what they want to

2006
02:34:36,640 --> 02:34:41,920
see. And if they want to then sit
through our executive session, they can,

2007
02:34:40,560 --> 02:34:44,800
but I don't think we should force them
to in order for them to see the meat of

2008
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:50,920
our agenda.
>> What would be the estimate of how long

2009
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:50,920
it would be exec for? Any idea?

2010
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:56,640
» That's the million-dollar question at
the meeting, Bob. Yeah,

2011
02:34:54,640 --> 02:35:00,880
» it depends on the discipline of the
folks talking discussion. So,

2012
02:34:59,439 --> 02:35:05,520
» attorney Moran doesn't have any
additional topics.

2013
02:35:02,560 --> 02:35:10,840
» I have two.
In my opinion, it it could be 15

2014
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:10,840
minutes.

2015
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:17,359
» So, then but again, it makes sense just
to do it at the end if it's 15 minutes

2016
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:21,200
no matter what the time is.
>> But we're going to have you anticipate

2017
02:35:19,359 --> 02:35:26,399
that we'll have resolutions when we come
out of exec. two of them

2018
02:35:24,160 --> 02:35:32,040
» potentially.
>> Well, yes.

2019
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:32,040
» Trusty Senate might anticipate. Yes.

2020
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:37,319
» Well, there's a motion. Can we vote?

2021
02:35:38,960 --> 02:35:43,000
» Just waiting for rain to come back.

2022
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:30,920
Okay. So, we had a motion by trustee Dit
at 7:37 to enter into executive session.

2023
02:36:26,800 --> 02:36:30,920
Seconded by Trustee Giuliano.

2024
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:42,760
All in favor? Roll call. Vote. Vote,
please.

2025
02:36:39,359 --> 02:36:42,760
Trusty Dit.

2026
02:36:43,280 --> 02:36:49,120
» Oh, no.
I'm gonna say I'm gonna say no. I think

2027
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:51,359
we should just proceed with the meeting
at this point.

2028
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:54,080
» Trusty Jano.
>> I

2029
02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:58,000
» trusty Snen.
>> No.

2030
02:36:57,040 --> 02:37:01,000
» Trusty Franco.
>> No.

2031
02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:04,680
» That motion fails.

2032
02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:18,319
Okay. So, clerk Pillo, do you want to go
through your monthly report? Thank you,

2033
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:25,040
Mayor. Um,
of importance are were excuse me, um,

2034
02:37:22,240 --> 02:37:31,040
the first and foremost a very productive
meeting with representatives of civil

2035
02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:37,600
service between myself and the deputy
mayor. I'm I'm sorry between myself and

2036
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:44,080
the deputy clerk and
it was very important in terms of the

2037
02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:49,200
ongoing proper classification of our
employees, classifications of our

2038
02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:56,720
employees which is an arduous but very
important task and secondarily because

2039
02:37:52,720 --> 02:38:02,399
once the work ends here at our meetings
and we have hirings

2040
02:37:59,280 --> 02:38:09,280
of seasonals the work begins for my
deputy clerk. So, a lot of that is very

2041
02:38:06,880 --> 02:38:14,000
time inensive. I spoke with
representatives of civil service while

2042
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:20,000
we had them as a captive audience and
asked what we could do to make that

2043
02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:24,560
process a lot less time inensive and
laborious. And so, we have a process for

2044
02:38:22,479 --> 02:38:30,240
that in place. So, for that, I'm very
thankful and that was very helpful. The

2045
02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:35,439
ongoing work with categorization and
classification continues. So, thank you

2046
02:38:33,359 --> 02:38:40,160
to our representatives at civil service
for that meeting. We have some upcoming

2047
02:38:38,479 --> 02:38:46,080
events. Dragon boat festival on the
19th, the village cup regata on the 20th

2048
02:38:43,040 --> 02:38:51,520
and the hill climb on the 26th. The next
project that

2049
02:38:48,319 --> 02:38:57,600
we are continue to work on is records
management. In fact, today additional

2050
02:38:54,399 --> 02:39:04,640
containers were delivered to the town of
Brook Haven record storage facility and

2051
02:39:00,880 --> 02:39:11,280
we have already others in place for the
next time that we go and we also have a

2052
02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:16,319
large number of records ready for
shredding. So, we are working on a

2053
02:39:14,160 --> 02:39:23,359
multi-prong process there. So, we're
very happy about being able to do that.

2054
02:39:19,120 --> 02:39:29,280
There's boxes going out of here like
it's incredible to behold.

2055
02:39:26,399 --> 02:39:36,640
» It's what a difference
it this project is making to the to the

2056
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:39,600
operation of Village Hall and the
aesthetic of Village Hall.

2057
02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:41,280
» Thank you. So, and we're not done yet.
So,

2058
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:45,359
» thank you for putting all that effort
into it.

2059
02:39:42,160 --> 02:39:51,439
» You're welcome. Thank you, mayor.
We await the results of Kelly Riley's

2060
02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:57,280
notary training class, which takes quite
a bit of time, as much as possibly six

2061
02:39:54,000 --> 02:40:04,560
weeks for unknown reasons. Terresa
Scoggin, our IT consultant, and I will

2062
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:08,399
attend a presentation regarding AI and
the business leaders guide to AI, which

2063
02:40:06,560 --> 02:40:13,760
should be quite interesting. That's on
the 29th of this month from 8:30 to

2064
02:40:10,640 --> 02:40:19,200
10:00 and that is at Tech Works
Consulting in Ronanka with whom we have

2065
02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:24,399
a business relationship.
And with that, there are eight

2066
02:40:21,439 --> 02:40:28,920
resolutions to be voted on this evening
unless anyone has questions on my

2067
02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:28,920
report.

2068
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:37,000
I'm just waiting for Trusty Franco.

2069
02:40:40,800 --> 02:40:48,000
Do I have? No. Okay.
>> Okay. Very good. Resolution number 19926

2070
02:40:46,399 --> 02:40:52,000
is a resolution approving the attached
proposal submitted by Lisa M. Rickmers

2071
02:40:50,399 --> 02:40:55,200
on behalf of H2M architects and
engineers for the provision of

2072
02:40:53,680 --> 02:40:59,359
professional planning consulting
services on an asneeded basis to support

2073
02:40:57,680 --> 02:41:03,120
the building and planning departments
with the associated cost to be paid by

2074
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:08,760
the respective applicant via the
establishment of an escrow account. May

2075
02:41:05,359 --> 02:41:08,760
I have a motion?

2076
02:41:11,359 --> 02:41:14,359
» Motion.

2077
02:41:14,560 --> 02:41:17,280
» Do we have a second?
>> Second.

2078
02:41:16,240 --> 02:41:19,200
» All in favor?
>> I

2079
02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:22,800
» I.
>> Motion carries. I think any opposed?

2080
02:41:21,359 --> 02:41:26,240
» I No.
>> I

2081
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:30,640
» I
>> Okay. Resolution number 29926 is a

2082
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:34,880
resolution adopting the attached Suffach
County 2026 hazard mitigation plan

2083
02:41:33,359 --> 02:41:38,640
resolution.
May I have a motion?

2084
02:41:36,399 --> 02:41:41,200
» Motion.
>> Second.

2085
02:41:39,439 --> 02:41:45,280
» All in favor? I
>> I

2086
02:41:42,960 --> 02:41:49,600
» resolution number 39926 resolution
ratifying the hiring of Andrew Martin as

2087
02:41:47,439 --> 02:41:53,680
a part-time seasonal recreation aid at
the Port Jefferson Country Club and an

2088
02:41:51,439 --> 02:41:57,280
hourly wage rate of $17 per hour
effective August 27th, 2026. We have a

2089
02:41:56,800 --> 02:41:59,520
motion.
>> Motion

2090
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:07,200
» second
>> discussion.

2091
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:12,800
Um I like to table these um hiring uh
resolutions. Uh I tried to meet with the

2092
02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:18,479
uh treasurer and there was a conflict um
where uh the mayor put us into a quorum.

2093
02:42:16,479 --> 02:42:23,760
So um and we never had an opportunity to
sit down with the treasurer and go over

2094
02:42:20,399 --> 02:42:27,439
some budgetary concerns. So um I'd like
to table this um until we have an

2095
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:33,080
opportunity to sit down with the
treasurer and go over uh some concerns

2096
02:42:29,359 --> 02:42:33,080
that we have with the budget.

2097
02:42:34,800 --> 02:42:39,359
» Make your motion.
>> Is there a motion to table? Well, the

2098
02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:42,720
discussion
>> Andrew is working there already because

2099
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:48,240
Jake needed him.
>> I wanted $17 an hour minimum wage.

2100
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:50,240
» Is it in the budget, Stephen?
>> That's what I was going to ask.

2101
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:54,240
» Sir,
>> it's ratification.

2102
02:42:52,000 --> 02:42:56,479
» There's seasonal workers in part-time
labor for the country club and pro shop.

2103
02:42:56,240 --> 02:43:00,600
Yes.
>> Are they currently working, Stephen?

2104
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:06,399
to my knowledge that I this is a
ratification resolution, so I'm assuming

2105
02:43:05,040 --> 02:43:08,479
that that's because the person is
already working.

2106
02:43:07,040 --> 02:43:14,399
» All right.
>> I was just curious about um have we ever

2107
02:43:12,080 --> 02:43:18,800
had a recreation aid at the country
before?

2108
02:43:15,600 --> 02:43:22,479
» All of the people who work outside
that's a classification called they're

2109
02:43:20,399 --> 02:43:25,359
called recreation a civil service. Okay.
I wasn't sure. I just

2110
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:30,080
» Those are the civil service titles. Back
to our civil service conversation. Yeah.

2111
02:43:30,640 --> 02:43:39,359
Andrew is a finance major at Stonyie
Brook University. His first day was

2112
02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:44,479
earlier this week. I can only assume
that Jake needed his assistance outside

2113
02:43:42,160 --> 02:43:50,800
because of all the college kids and
other staff that that go back to their

2114
02:43:46,399 --> 02:43:58,240
regular lives at the end of August. So,
um

2115
02:43:53,359 --> 02:44:01,120
» $17 an hour. I mean just good, right?
Yeah. Yeah, we can.

2116
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:05,200
» That's it.
>> Vote on it.

2117
02:44:03,279 --> 02:44:07,840
» All in favor?
>> I

2118
02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:12,520
» I I
>> No.

2119
02:44:09,120 --> 02:44:12,520
» Motion carries.

2120
02:44:14,240 --> 02:44:21,600
» Resolution number 49926, resolution
hiring Amelio Romero as a seasonal labor

2121
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:27,040
in the parks department and an hourly
wage rate of $18 per hour. effective

2122
02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:28,160
September 10th, 2026. May I have a
motion?

2123
02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:33,439
» Motion.
>> Second discussion. Um, when you say

2124
02:44:30,960 --> 02:44:36,800
seasonal, what would this position, how
what would that take us to?

2125
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:42,640
» Seasonal for
>> Seasonal is the number of hours that a

2126
02:44:38,800 --> 02:44:46,600
person could work over the course of uh
the year. Correct, Stephen?

2127
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:51,359
» There's a limit to the number of hours.
I think it's 1,535

2128
02:44:50,720 --> 02:44:56,880
or something like that.
>> That is that is accurate. uh to the

2129
02:44:54,000 --> 02:45:01,600
terms of of giving any types of benefits
or or qualifying for part-time. But uh

2130
02:44:59,279 --> 02:45:08,399
also this this is in the budget. It was
budgeted for two part-time seasonal

2131
02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:10,960
parks laborers for uh $8,000 a piece.
>> Okay.

2132
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:15,200
» Total budgets for each of them.
>> Okay. Thank you. All in favor?

2133
02:45:13,840 --> 02:45:17,840
» I I
>> no

2134
02:45:16,479 --> 02:45:21,479
» opposed. Oh,
>> yep.

2135
02:45:18,479 --> 02:45:21,479
» Sorry.

2136
02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:30,080
Resolution number 59926.
Resolution hiring Felix Ramone Dialian

2137
02:45:28,240 --> 02:45:34,680
as a full-time laborer in the highway
department. An annual salary of $45,3942

2138
02:45:34,960 --> 02:45:41,279
effective September 16th, 2026. All the
provisions of the collective bargaining

2139
02:45:39,439 --> 02:45:45,439
agreement currently in force between the
village of Port Jefferson and the CSEA

2140
02:45:43,040 --> 02:45:49,840
local 1000 apply to this hiring as does
the standard 26 week civil service

2141
02:45:48,080 --> 02:45:52,960
probationary period. May I have a
motion? motion.

2142
02:45:51,040 --> 02:45:56,560
» Second discussion.
>> I have the same objection. I, you know,

2143
02:45:55,200 --> 02:46:00,720
we had an opportunity. We wanted to have
an opportunity to sit down with the

2144
02:45:57,840 --> 02:46:06,080
treasurer and go over budgets. The mayor
refused to leave this meeting putting us

2145
02:46:03,279 --> 02:46:10,880
into a situation for the quorum that we
actually had to get a corrective letter

2146
02:46:07,600 --> 02:46:14,640
from attorney Moran. Um, so, uh, my
position is still the same. Until I have

2147
02:46:12,319 --> 02:46:20,399
an opportunity to sit down with the
treasurer and go over DPW's budget and

2148
02:46:17,439 --> 02:46:25,359
our overall spending and hiring, um, I
don't feel comfortable voting on this. I

2149
02:46:22,560 --> 02:46:29,439
think my opinion is we should table this
until we are able to have that meeting

2150
02:46:27,359 --> 02:46:32,240
and go over uh, where we are currently
with the budget.

2151
02:46:31,439 --> 02:46:37,200
» So,
>> on this one, I agree. I I too did not

2152
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:42,880
have the ability to uh, have that
meeting. um the mayor did not allow us

2153
02:46:40,399 --> 02:46:47,279
that information and didn't allow us to
have the meeting with the treasurer. So,

2154
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:51,920
that's a big number um relatively
speaking. And uh on top of that, this is

2155
02:46:49,279 --> 02:47:00,000
a full-time labor. So, that now includes
um a a um benefits package right for

2156
02:46:56,319 --> 02:47:03,359
this employee. Do you have that amount
offhand what that would what the

2157
02:47:01,439 --> 02:47:07,520
benefits package on top of the 45,000
would be? I I don't have that number in

2158
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:12,560
front of me for what this particular
would cost at the hiring date. I do know

2159
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:14,960
this is I believe my this is the
replacement for the previous

2160
02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:16,880
resignation. I was going to ask that
question.

2161
02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:22,000
» I was just going to ask that question.
>> So this is the full the full amount is

2162
02:47:19,279 --> 02:47:26,000
in the budget. Obviously the they're not
being paid the full 459 for the rest of

2163
02:47:24,240 --> 02:47:28,960
the year because that's a year salary.
So you just go from you know you're

2164
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:33,279
losing three months off of that. So it
will cost less than that for the rest of

2165
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:37,279
the year through May 31st. and it's the
health insurance uh everything is

2166
02:47:35,439 --> 02:47:42,000
already in the budget.
>> Again, my uh my objection is not that

2167
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:46,319
the potential of this gentleman to hire
him is that the opportunity was not

2168
02:47:43,920 --> 02:47:50,640
afforded us to go over the budget to go
over DPW's budget, see what they're do,

2169
02:47:48,560 --> 02:47:54,560
see what's going on, where we are in the
calendar in the fiscal year right now.

2170
02:47:52,399 --> 02:47:59,120
So, until um we have an opportunity to
do that, uh I would be a no on this or

2171
02:47:57,040 --> 02:48:03,000
table it until we have that opportunity
and let's bring this back up.

2172
02:48:03,840 --> 02:48:07,359
Thank you. Motion.
>> Motion to table.

2173
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:11,080
» Second.
>> Roll call in the motion.

2174
02:48:12,080 --> 02:48:19,200
» Trusty Dit.
>> Motion to table. Is that what you're

2175
02:48:16,240 --> 02:48:22,560
saying? Uh, no.
>> Trusty Guliano.

2176
02:48:20,240 --> 02:48:25,120
» No.
>> Trusty Snen.

2177
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:27,359
» Yes.
>> Trusty Franco.

2178
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:32,000
» Yes.
>> Mayor Shepro, how do you vote?

2179
02:48:29,040 --> 02:48:32,000
» No.

2180
02:48:33,520 --> 02:48:37,560
The motion to table fails.

2181
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:42,319
» Do we go back to an already a motioned
resolution?

2182
02:48:41,680 --> 02:48:46,560
» Yes.
>> All in favor table. Do we do a roll call

2183
02:48:44,960 --> 02:48:48,800
vote on this too? Just
>> Okay.

2184
02:48:46,800 --> 02:48:51,520
» Yeah.
>> Trusty Dit.

2185
02:48:50,160 --> 02:48:54,399
» Yes.
>> Trusty Giuliano.

2186
02:48:52,720 --> 02:48:56,800
» I.
>> Trusty Snan.

2187
02:48:55,520 --> 02:49:00,000
» No.
>> Trusty Franco.

2188
02:48:57,920 --> 02:49:04,840
» No. Mayor, how do you vote?
>> Yes.

2189
02:49:00,880 --> 02:49:04,840
» Thank you. That motion passes.

2190
02:49:06,240 --> 02:49:12,560
» Resolution number 6926. Resolution
accepting the resignation of senior

2191
02:49:10,720 --> 02:49:16,240
office assistant Michelle Keenan
effective September 9th, 2026. May I

2192
02:49:15,359 --> 02:49:19,040
have a motion?
>> Motion.

2193
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:21,359
» Second. Discussion.
>> Discussion.

2194
02:49:19,840 --> 02:49:24,960
» I would like to add with regret.
>> With regret. Absolutely.

2195
02:49:22,960 --> 02:49:29,439
» And I've worked with Michelle for many
years. Um, she's been a great employee.

2196
02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:34,399
She will sorely be missed. I want to
thank her publicly for all of her hard

2197
02:49:31,520 --> 02:49:38,240
work and dedication. Um, and we will
definitely miss her here.

2198
02:49:35,600 --> 02:49:43,680
» I echo that. I I hired Michelle uh she
was originally my my assistant um as the

2199
02:49:41,120 --> 02:49:48,479
clerk um administrator and then she
moved over to the DPW. So, I echo

2200
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:52,720
everything that you said. She'll be
deeply missed and with regret.

2201
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:57,520
» I agree. and I taught her daughter when
she was in first grade.

2202
02:49:56,319 --> 02:50:00,720
» They infiltrate everything.
>> I know. We really do.

2203
02:49:58,479 --> 02:50:06,800
» Listen, I I I wish her the best of
everything in her new position. Uh it's

2204
02:50:03,680 --> 02:50:11,680
it's it's a it's an increase in her her
annual wage and giving her greater

2205
02:50:09,359 --> 02:50:16,160
opportunity. So, I wish her the best of
luck and congratulations.

2206
02:50:14,960 --> 02:50:18,880
All in favor?
>> I I

2207
02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:22,880
» I.
Resolution number 79926,

2208
02:50:21,600 --> 02:50:26,640
resolution approving the event
application submitted by Danielle

2209
02:50:24,479 --> 02:50:31,120
Lovevet on behalf of the Port Jefferson
Soccer Booster Club for the use of the

2210
02:50:28,800 --> 02:50:35,920
parking lot behind Village Hall and
access to the village outdoor water

2211
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:41,920
facilities from 1:00 p.m. through 4:00
p.m. on September 26th, 2026

2212
02:50:39,680 --> 02:50:46,399
2026, excuse me, for community car wash
fundraiser and approving a waiver of the

2213
02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:50,319
requisite $50 application fee. We have a
motion.

2214
02:50:48,080 --> 02:50:52,560
Motion
>> second.

2215
02:50:51,520 --> 02:50:54,080
» All in favor?
>> I

2216
02:50:53,120 --> 02:50:58,399
» I
>> resolution number 89926

2217
02:50:56,479 --> 02:51:03,439
resolution approving the purchase of a
Pomemeroy historical marker for Strong

2218
02:51:00,960 --> 02:51:07,359
Homestead Park to be funded by a grant
received from the Pomeroy Foundation and

2219
02:51:05,760 --> 02:51:13,040
authorizing Treasurer Gaffa to perform
attached budget amendment number 137 as

2220
02:51:10,160 --> 02:51:21,439
follows. Increase revenue line item A
3089 state aid other by $2,100

2221
02:51:17,200 --> 02:51:24,800
and increase expense line item A 7110.2
parks equipment by $2,100. May I have a

2222
02:51:24,399 --> 02:51:26,640
motion?
>> Motion.

2223
02:51:25,760 --> 02:51:28,160
» Second.
>> All in favor?

2224
02:51:27,600 --> 02:51:32,760
» I
>> I

2225
02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:32,760
» Okay,

2226
02:51:33,200 --> 02:51:37,800
mayor and board. concludes my report.

2227
02:51:55,200 --> 02:52:04,800
I touched your hand.
So, there are there are a few um

2228
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:10,640
volunteer appointments for discussion
that um I'd like to bring to everyone's

2229
02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:15,359
attention. It's sort of attached to the
clerk's report, but not as her report. I

2230
02:52:13,439 --> 02:52:20,880
asked her to put these in here because
we have some folks who have uh raised

2231
02:52:17,680 --> 02:52:29,200
their hand to volunteer and I wanted to
see if um you know there were any uh if

2232
02:52:25,120 --> 02:52:33,680
there was any feedback or um
questions about some of the people and

2233
02:52:31,920 --> 02:52:38,600
their backgrounds as they have submitted
them through the um

2234
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:43,160
make a difference portal.

2235
02:52:47,840 --> 02:52:55,040
So Matt Tyler is uh put in his interest
for

2236
02:52:53,279 --> 02:52:58,160
taking on the alternate position on the
planning board understanding that there

2237
02:52:56,560 --> 02:53:03,439
are seven members on the planning board
now. So the opportunity for him to weigh

2238
02:53:00,319 --> 02:53:10,960
in as a true um with at a seat with a
seat at the table is understood. Um, but

2239
02:53:06,479 --> 02:53:15,520
I think he's interested in in serving
his uh

2240
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:21,279
he was actually recommended by Allison
Le Point who was um special attorney and

2241
02:53:19,760 --> 02:53:28,920
director of building and planning for a
while working with the planning board.

2242
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:28,920
So he's a ci he's a civil um engineer

2243
02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:41,520
and uh this is I believe he's pretty
pretty well qualified for um serving in

2244
02:53:35,840 --> 02:53:45,920
this role as even just a a a novice and
but he also

2245
02:53:43,920 --> 02:53:51,840
works in this capacity from the other
side of the table. And then we have John

2246
02:53:48,800 --> 02:53:58,720
Wagner from um
uh for the CCMAC who is a financial

2247
02:53:56,960 --> 02:54:05,920
um
and and um cor does corporate tax

2248
02:54:01,760 --> 02:54:10,319
returns and closings. Um he would bring
a financial aspect to the CCMAC that we

2249
02:54:08,560 --> 02:54:17,680
don't exactly have right now. So that
would be a great um addition. He's a

2250
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:24,080
village resident and he also is u an
avid golfer, very competitive.

2251
02:54:22,160 --> 02:54:30,319
And then for the board of ethics, we
have an expression of interest from uh

2252
02:54:27,279 --> 02:54:34,800
Brianna Russell, who has over 18 years
of experience with the NYPD.

2253
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:38,160
Extensive inspir experience in law
enforcement investigations and

2254
02:54:36,319 --> 02:54:42,560
leadership. has served 10 years in
supervisory roles and more than a decade

2255
02:54:40,160 --> 02:54:46,080
conducting investigations, including
three years with the NYPD Internal

2256
02:54:44,319 --> 02:54:49,200
Affairs Bureau and two years of
experience overseeing confidential

2257
02:54:47,600 --> 02:54:52,479
investigations.
She's got a master of science and urban

2258
02:54:50,960 --> 02:54:55,279
policy and leadership from Hunter
College and recognized for her

2259
02:54:53,920 --> 02:55:02,319
leadership, discretion, and commitment
to integrity and uh participated in the

2260
02:54:58,560 --> 02:55:05,920
NYPD IAB steering committee. So, I
wanted to put those out for this work

2261
02:55:04,080 --> 02:55:09,840
session because I wanted to give the
board an opportunity to if they were

2262
02:55:08,319 --> 02:55:12,560
interested in speaking with these folks
to see how they how they felt about

2263
02:55:12,080 --> 02:55:16,399
them.
>> I think was there one more also? Is

2264
02:55:14,399 --> 02:55:20,479
there we had the resume from Bruce.
>> Oh, Bruce. Yes. Sorry. For the budget

2265
02:55:18,479 --> 02:55:23,920
and finance uh committee. He's not on
this for

2266
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:29,600
» I don't know why, but thank you Randy
for bringing that up. Um

2267
02:55:26,640 --> 02:55:34,560
where is that resume? There he is. Okay.
Yeah. So, um, Bruce sat in. Actually, he

2268
02:55:32,960 --> 02:55:38,880
put his interest in a couple of months
ago and he finally had an opportunity to

2269
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:45,600
sit in on the last, uh, meeting. I think
Trusty Franco, you were there. You had

2270
02:55:40,479 --> 02:55:51,279
an opportunity to meet him. Um, and, um,
he's extremely interested in serving on

2271
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:57,680
on budget and finance to step in for the
position that was made um, available

2272
02:55:54,800 --> 02:56:04,479
with the resignation of Ununis Marado.
So, um, and then also we have, uh, on

2273
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:12,640
the agenda, uh, reappointment of, uh,
Jim Burke to the CCMAC as the non

2274
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:18,560
member resident who brings his, um,
municipal

2275
02:56:14,720 --> 02:56:26,000
um, and, um, his municipal law
experience to bear on that um, council.

2276
02:56:23,279 --> 02:56:31,960
and it's it's been significantly helpful
over the past three years since he's

2277
02:56:27,680 --> 02:56:31,960
been doing it. So,

2278
02:56:37,359 --> 02:56:42,439
any thoughts about that?

2279
02:56:53,120 --> 02:56:59,760
Um, I'll ask any thoughts about that?
The answers are either yes, no, or hey,

2280
02:56:58,319 --> 02:57:01,040
let's talk about our thoughts.
>> I don't

2281
02:57:00,399 --> 02:57:05,920
» No thoughts.
>> No thoughts.

2282
02:57:04,000 --> 02:57:10,800
» I'm I'm not familiar with anybody. I I
do know Bruce just cuz he uh is my

2283
02:57:09,520 --> 02:57:15,279
neighbor and I've spoken to him. I've
never discussed this with him.

2284
02:57:13,040 --> 02:57:22,000
» I saw this and said, "Oh, wait. I know
that guy." Um, and just having met him

2285
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:22,800
briefly, I think he's would be a good
candidate.

2286
02:57:22,560 --> 02:57:25,600
» Okay.
>> Trusty Dick, can I just ask He lives

2287
02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:28,240
near you, right?
>> Yeah.

2288
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:29,840
» He's not a travel buddy.
>> No,

2289
02:57:28,560 --> 02:57:31,200
» I just wanted to make sure.
>> No, met him.

2290
02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:34,560
» Confirm that.
>> Met him just briefly.

2291
02:57:32,560 --> 02:57:37,680
» It's a It's a It's a metric that we have
to look into to make sure that

2292
02:57:36,240 --> 02:57:40,479
» we don't have travel buddies.
>> Just briefly. Just briefly.

2293
02:57:39,279 --> 02:57:44,680
» Golf buddies.
>> Golf buddies different. Travel buddies.

2294
02:57:46,800 --> 02:57:54,560
All right. Um, just want to give a
couple of updates, keep my report

2295
02:57:52,640 --> 02:57:59,600
extremely brief, and I'll chime in if
there's a need be as everyone else gives

2296
02:57:57,120 --> 02:58:06,720
their reports. I just wanted to share
some good news um unofficially because

2297
02:58:02,640 --> 02:58:10,800
these two granting um agencies will be
announcing these things on their own in

2298
02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:19,040
due time. But we did receive
notification um in actually at the

2299
02:58:15,120 --> 02:58:26,640
actual meeting of the uh Suffach County
um water planning

2300
02:58:21,840 --> 02:58:34,640
um uh commission and we were awarded two
$200,000 for the cleanout of the uh west

2301
02:58:31,040 --> 02:58:39,760
side of Mil Creek from west of Barnum.
So that was really great to hear. It's a

2302
02:58:37,680 --> 02:58:45,200
matching grant. Great. All of our all of
our matching dollars will be in kind

2303
02:58:42,560 --> 02:58:49,760
services engineering. Some of the some
of the engineering that's already been

2304
02:58:46,560 --> 02:58:56,240
done through the uh the flood mitigation
study and plan. It's the the FEMA grant

2305
02:58:52,479 --> 02:59:02,560
that we concluded with LKMA
and also the Department of State grant

2306
02:58:58,080 --> 02:59:09,600
that was concluded to an extent um on
the climate resil resiliency and plan by

2307
02:59:06,000 --> 02:59:14,399
um Campanian Schwarting.
So, and then the second piece of news is

2308
02:59:11,840 --> 02:59:26,880
that the Long Island Sound Partnership
has agreed um and awarded a contract to

2309
02:59:18,240 --> 02:59:32,960
LKMA um for water reuse and uh study and
plan for water reuse off of Old

2310
02:59:28,960 --> 02:59:37,840
Homestead Road into the that would that
goes into that Oakwood Road recharge

2311
02:59:34,960 --> 02:59:44,160
basin. So, the redirect redirection of
that water from Old Homestead Road

2312
02:59:41,040 --> 02:59:51,439
possibly onto the golf course and how
that water would be treated and utilized

2313
02:59:47,439 --> 03:00:01,520
going forward. It's a study and a plan
and um it's about an 11-month project

2314
02:59:56,319 --> 03:00:05,040
and um I called uh Assemblywoman Cass
pretty much immediately to thank her for

2315
03:00:03,520 --> 03:00:11,279
that
brainstorm the vision. Stan LS also had

2316
03:00:08,240 --> 03:00:15,040
that brainstorm and vision and now with
the assistance of the Long Island Sound

2317
03:00:13,359 --> 03:00:19,279
Partnership
um Crant and Cornell cooperative we will

2318
03:00:17,920 --> 03:00:25,520
be able to take a look at that and see
if it's actually feasible. So it's um

2319
03:00:23,279 --> 03:00:30,160
about $85,000
of just engineering and planning. So I

2320
03:00:28,479 --> 03:00:35,520
thought that was good news to share.
>> Good. Excellent. And then I just also

2321
03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:41,200
want to announce and we've all we've tal
we talked about this as a board last

2322
03:00:37,680 --> 03:00:46,080
meeting that um that George Wallace of
the Frigot Steam Room has dedicated

2323
03:00:43,439 --> 03:00:55,279
donated the eagle from the memorial that
was residing there at the corner of the

2324
03:00:49,439 --> 03:01:01,920
Frigot um for 24 years since 2002.
and he agreed to donate it to the

2325
03:00:58,160 --> 03:01:08,720
village and with help from
people sitting at this table and also

2326
03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:16,000
public works. Uh we were able to really
um not build the memorial yet, but

2327
03:01:12,800 --> 03:01:20,880
actually um coordinate and collaborate
with um another organization that holds

2328
03:01:18,399 --> 03:01:29,040
their annual Harbor Front their annual
911 memorial on um September 11th from

2329
03:01:25,200 --> 03:01:38,720
6:00 to 8 in Harbor Front Park. So, um
we we joined up with them and the public

2330
03:01:33,760 --> 03:01:48,080
works team actually built a portable
um device that

2331
03:01:42,080 --> 03:01:53,600
will be the um platform for a temporary
uh

2332
03:01:49,920 --> 03:01:57,760
monument um that can be moved into
different areas. So we'll move we'll

2333
03:01:55,680 --> 03:02:04,000
have this particular
um on this day on on de on September

2334
03:02:01,359 --> 03:02:09,359
11th we will have the monument down by
the pergola and the pier um not on a

2335
03:02:07,439 --> 03:02:15,680
permanent basis obviously but on a
temporary basis so um we can actually

2336
03:02:13,279 --> 03:02:21,120
acknowledge the dedication the the
donation and dedicate it and we've

2337
03:02:19,120 --> 03:02:26,160
invited the entire community to come and
join us.

2338
03:02:23,040 --> 03:02:30,880
So, please invite all your friends,
neighbors, relatives, anyone that you

2339
03:02:28,240 --> 03:02:38,080
know that has had some sort of
experience or is a survivor or knows

2340
03:02:34,399 --> 03:02:44,319
someone who um you know did not make it
uh on 911. So, and we'll if you all want

2341
03:02:42,560 --> 03:02:48,560
to say a few words at that ceremony,
you'd certainly be welcome to do so.

2342
03:02:46,479 --> 03:02:54,000
Obviously, you're all invited. I think
the the the sons and daughters of um of

2343
03:02:52,479 --> 03:03:00,080
Italy
have invited all the elected officials

2344
03:02:57,279 --> 03:03:04,399
in our region. So if if they're coming,
they're coming as a result of that

2345
03:03:02,240 --> 03:03:07,920
invitation that's been out for a very
long time. So it's on a lot of people's

2346
03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:14,720
calendars. I also invited folks from the
fire department to attend.

2347
03:03:11,040 --> 03:03:17,520
And um again, anyone else
especially who've been who's been

2348
03:03:16,319 --> 03:03:24,240
impacted in the village of Port
Jefferson with um with this and dealing

2349
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:26,080
with it for the past 25 years. So if
there's any questions about that, I'd be

2350
03:03:25,760 --> 03:03:29,040
happy.
>> Mayor, just a quick question. That was

2351
03:03:27,359 --> 03:03:30,800
Mr. Wallace that uh donated that.
>> Correct.

2352
03:03:29,439 --> 03:03:34,000
» I just want to say thank you. That was
really a very thoughtful and considerate

2353
03:03:32,560 --> 03:03:35,200
thing for him to do.
>> Agree.

2354
03:03:34,560 --> 03:03:41,760
» It's really nice.
>> Agree.

2355
03:03:37,920 --> 03:03:48,080
Okay. So that's my report. Um, who wants
to start?

2356
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:54,800
» I guess I am. Um, all right. I was uh
able to attend the uh PTSD event that

2357
03:03:51,359 --> 03:04:00,319
took place on the harbor. Um, again, uh
I'm going to use my uh my co word

2358
03:03:57,040 --> 03:04:06,399
amazing event. Um this year they had
like a big tailwind and they were able

2359
03:04:02,800 --> 03:04:12,319
to they got to um where the ferry cuts
through the the um the inlet. Thank you,

2360
03:04:09,520 --> 03:04:16,319
ma'am. Um, so quick that we had to run
out supplies. So, it was fun, you know,

2361
03:04:14,399 --> 03:04:20,880
and I met them last year and we had just
such nice conversations and, you know,

2362
03:04:18,960 --> 03:04:25,840
when you listen to the stories and you
hear the um, you know, this pain, you

2363
03:04:23,680 --> 03:04:32,080
just it's it's it's a wonderful event.
So, I'd like to put a motion forward um

2364
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:37,760
if you guys would be so kind um to
recognize Alex Roman and Frank Lombardi

2365
03:04:36,160 --> 03:04:43,520
uh for their outstanding efforts to
raise awareness of uh PTSD among

2366
03:04:40,399 --> 03:04:48,560
veterans and their dedication to our our
veterans and community. Uh and maybe we

2367
03:04:47,359 --> 03:04:52,479
can present the certificate of
recognition at uh the board meeting if

2368
03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:57,120
uh everybody's in agreement with that.
Totally. They've done such hard work.

2369
03:04:54,399 --> 03:05:01,760
So, uh, I have a motion to, uh, to let's
put a signific a village certificate of

2370
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:05,040
recognition for those two gentlemen.
>> I'll second

2371
03:05:04,640 --> 03:05:07,200
vote.
>> All in favor?

2372
03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:09,840
» I I
>> Thank you so much. That

2373
03:05:09,040 --> 03:05:13,760
» was an easy one.
>> Yeah.

2374
03:05:10,319 --> 03:05:18,800
» Um, I the parking committee uh hasn't
met. Um, but I did uh reach out to the

2375
03:05:17,600 --> 03:05:25,359
committee and that we have a meeting
date on the 21st of uh September. I'd

2376
03:05:22,960 --> 03:05:29,600
like to uh as I start just just discuss
a little bit about parking. Uh thank Mr.

2377
03:05:27,760 --> 03:05:35,439
Luciano for coming in at our last work
session and discussing his alternative

2378
03:05:32,880 --> 03:05:40,399
plan to parking fee schedule though it
was going to put you know a 560 to

2379
03:05:37,760 --> 03:05:42,080
$800,000 hole in the budget. You know we
we have to think outside the box

2380
03:05:41,600 --> 03:05:45,040
sometimes.
>> Exactly. He thought outside the box.

2381
03:05:43,600 --> 03:05:49,520
» Yeah. There's and that's and it's not a
negative thing. It's we we as a board

2382
03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:52,720
and a community need to continue to keep
thinking outside the box. Well, I think

2383
03:05:50,880 --> 03:05:55,840
it's something to explore in the future,
too. I mean, not maybe not necessarily

2384
03:05:54,640 --> 03:06:02,479
for this budget, but
>> no doubt. So, we're um I did email the

2385
03:05:58,240 --> 03:06:10,720
board. Uh Mr. Luciano sent me a um
>> I got it over here some someplace. Um

2386
03:06:07,359 --> 03:06:15,120
they met and they put together um
basically like a mission statement for

2387
03:06:13,520 --> 03:06:17,600
the uh parking committee. So, I
submitted it to the board so everybody

2388
03:06:16,960 --> 03:06:22,560
can review that.
>> Oh, without context. What was that? So

2389
03:06:19,840 --> 03:06:26,319
you you submitted it but but it didn't
have you just sent a co a copy. What was

2390
03:06:24,960 --> 03:06:31,040
what was your thought about it?
>> So what happened was I I had reached out

2391
03:06:28,319 --> 03:06:34,479
to say uh when's the next meeting and
they he said that they met with the bid

2392
03:06:32,960 --> 03:06:42,000
and they decided that they're going to
continue with the parking committee and

2393
03:06:38,080 --> 03:06:45,040
um he said this is um he sent this over.
>> I was reviewing it and I said let me

2394
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:49,600
send it to the board so if anybody has
any questions about it they can look

2395
03:06:46,800 --> 03:06:54,160
into it. And uh other than that, it was
just a generic uh structure on how they

2396
03:06:52,880 --> 03:06:56,800
want to run the parking committee.
>> What did you think about it?

2397
03:06:55,200 --> 03:06:59,680
» I didn't give it. I only received it
earlier today. Did not have an

2398
03:06:58,160 --> 03:07:03,600
opportunity to give it a wholesome look,
but I will and I'll have I'll send uh

2399
03:07:02,080 --> 03:07:05,279
information on it. Did you get the
chance to review it, Mayor?

2400
03:07:04,640 --> 03:07:07,600
» Yeah, sure.
>> What do you think?

2401
03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:09,680
» I think it's
>> Can I ask a question?

2402
03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:12,240
» Great.
>> Who did this come from?

2403
03:07:11,200 --> 03:07:14,880
» James Luciano.
>> I remember James Luciano. I also

2404
03:07:13,600 --> 03:07:17,760
remember him being at the last meeting
and I forget which board member

2405
03:07:16,560 --> 03:07:19,920
questioning whether or not he was even
on the board.

2406
03:07:18,479 --> 03:07:23,200
» Yeah, that's a it's a fair question.
>> Want to make sure that comes from the

2407
03:07:22,000 --> 03:07:28,479
board and not James Luc.
>> He did give us a letter of resignation.

2408
03:07:25,760 --> 03:07:32,479
So, we accepted his resignation. Um, but
I think part of why I sent it out to the

2409
03:07:30,640 --> 03:07:35,680
board is
the way that it seems like it's

2410
03:07:34,000 --> 03:07:38,640
structured and again I just took a quick
look at it is that they make all the

2411
03:07:37,200 --> 03:07:43,040
decisions themselves on what they want
to do and like kind of not including the

2412
03:07:41,439 --> 03:07:46,800
board and who's going to be added to
that committee and who's not. So I want

2413
03:07:45,040 --> 03:07:50,479
to really take a wholesome look at it
and then once we get a look at it we can

2414
03:07:48,960 --> 03:07:54,720
make a decision. But yes, from what I
understand James is back on the

2415
03:07:52,399 --> 03:07:57,760
committee and he is I from what I
understand I could be wrong. I don't

2416
03:07:56,000 --> 03:08:02,560
want to might be the president or
chairperson of the committee. So again,

2417
03:08:00,319 --> 03:08:06,560
um I don't you know I let me get let me
look into it a little further before we

2418
03:08:04,640 --> 03:08:12,479
get uh we get any further into the weeds
on this one. So just to get back to um

2419
03:08:08,800 --> 03:08:17,120
parking um I I was able to uh look into
some of the data. We've had some really

2420
03:08:14,080 --> 03:08:22,200
nice success this year. Um in 2025 for
June, July, and August we had 70,849

2421
03:08:22,319 --> 03:08:28,560
meter transactions. this uh I hope I'm
saying that correctly, Stephen. Tell me

2422
03:08:26,160 --> 03:08:35,439
if correct me if I'm wrong. Uh but this
year we've had 80,000 15. That's an

2423
03:08:31,279 --> 03:08:40,880
increase of 9,000 uh 116 transactions,
which is really nice. An interesting

2424
03:08:37,520 --> 03:08:46,160
statistic is that um in September,
we've already had an additional 2,300

2425
03:08:44,399 --> 03:08:51,520
transactions at the meter. We're we're
well on pace to pass last year's uh

2426
03:08:50,160 --> 03:08:56,160
transactions and visits to the
community. I think um the $2 an hour

2427
03:08:54,640 --> 03:09:01,120
we've we might have hit a sweet spot
there where we uh where you know it's

2428
03:08:59,040 --> 03:09:04,960
not affecting the budget significantly
and I don't think it's affecting the

2429
03:09:02,720 --> 03:09:09,040
community. So, um I think we've made
some uh some progress. I think

2430
03:09:06,960 --> 03:09:13,279
hopefully, knock on wood, uh we keep
having some success and I think we might

2431
03:09:10,560 --> 03:09:16,720
have hit a sweet spot on that. Um also,
Stephen, you were kind enough to send me

2432
03:09:14,720 --> 03:09:21,359
that sign, the the version of the sign.
You emailed it to me um on the 21st.

2433
03:09:18,880 --> 03:09:24,720
I'll I'll bring it up. I'll present it
to the uh the parking committee if you

2434
03:09:23,359 --> 03:09:32,000
haven't not forwarded the template
already. And um we also uh Trusty Snen

2435
03:09:29,520 --> 03:09:36,000
and I met with the uh president of the
bid uh Mr. GTO to discuss Upper Port

2436
03:09:34,479 --> 03:09:40,560
Jefferson and and projects that are
going on up there and parking situations

2437
03:09:38,399 --> 03:09:44,399
that are going to arise. So, you know,
I'd like to bring that to the uh parking

2438
03:09:42,399 --> 03:09:48,479
committee to see what their ideas are
and, you know, start at least get a jump

2439
03:09:46,319 --> 03:09:53,040
on uh Upper Port Jefferson to kind of
figure out where we are with parking.

2440
03:09:50,160 --> 03:09:55,760
So, that's uh that's the parking.
>> Um

2441
03:09:54,240 --> 03:09:57,920
» while we're on the subject of parking,
can I just add something?

2442
03:09:56,720 --> 03:10:02,560
» You may. Since we're talking about
parking, um I've just heard from a few

2443
03:10:00,960 --> 03:10:07,439
um business owners that they're
concerned about the winter because in

2444
03:10:05,200 --> 03:10:15,279
the past metered parking has been
suspended and the current plan is for

2445
03:10:12,319 --> 03:10:17,680
the meters to stay turned on. So I don't
know if

2446
03:10:15,920 --> 03:10:22,080
» I would love to be able to turn them
off. Um with the numbers like these in

2447
03:10:19,920 --> 03:10:26,240
the on season, I think like Trusty
Franco said, we hit a sweet spot with

2448
03:10:23,760 --> 03:10:30,640
that number for now. But one of the
things I really wanted to address with

2449
03:10:28,240 --> 03:10:34,880
uh our treasurer Gaffka at this meeting
that I was stopped from having was to go

2450
03:10:33,120 --> 03:10:40,080
over those numbers looking ahead and see
if there is any room wherever that we

2451
03:10:37,439 --> 03:10:43,120
could find some some wiggle space to
consider that.

2452
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:46,560
» I would like to consider to meet with
the treasur

2453
03:10:44,160 --> 03:10:50,319
» and again you know we have to say
because I mean the the original plan was

2454
03:10:48,560 --> 03:10:55,600
to um
>> bring it to a$150 which was going to put

2455
03:10:52,000 --> 03:10:59,520
a $300,000 hole in our budget. So that's
something that as Trusty Sniden said, we

2456
03:10:57,840 --> 03:11:02,080
kind of wanted to figure out where we
are

2457
03:11:00,479 --> 03:11:05,200
» and see where we can go forward with
that. But again, thank you so much.

2458
03:11:03,680 --> 03:11:08,479
It'll be something that we discuss with
Stephen when we have our meeting.

2459
03:11:06,880 --> 03:11:12,720
» Yeah, I think that's important.
>> I think when we get a couple more months

2460
03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:14,960
under our belt to see if this trend
continues, then we can make a better

2461
03:11:14,319 --> 03:11:19,920
decision.
>> And I think data, listen, this data lets

2462
03:11:17,520 --> 03:11:23,359
us get to a delta, right? So when we
when we have that, you know, we'll be

2463
03:11:21,600 --> 03:11:26,399
able to, you know, be able to figure out
where we are. or Steven most will be

2464
03:11:25,120 --> 03:11:30,800
able to figure out where we are
budgetarily and if we make some

2465
03:11:28,960 --> 03:11:34,960
adjustments again how does that affect
us budgetarily but we have to be careful

2466
03:11:32,960 --> 03:11:39,920
not to put you know a massive hole in
our budget this year and next year so

2467
03:11:36,800 --> 03:11:45,200
again we let's speak to Stephen when we
have an opportunity uh next week and I

2468
03:11:42,560 --> 03:11:49,120
apologize the week after and we'll um
we'll see where we are

2469
03:11:46,640 --> 03:11:53,359
» trusty Franco if I may um in your
conversations with the parking committee

2470
03:11:50,880 --> 03:11:58,720
and for the board as a whole we have to
fix the signage. We We are losing a ton

2471
03:11:56,640 --> 03:12:06,240
of revenue
um from people correctly pointing out

2472
03:12:02,880 --> 03:12:11,279
that we're we're not adequately adver
advertising the where and how parking is

2473
03:12:09,359 --> 03:12:17,439
paid for. There's still signs out there
that say a different price.

2474
03:12:15,200 --> 03:12:21,840
» I can't answer why. I just know that I I
see the complaints that come in.

2475
03:12:19,359 --> 03:12:25,359
» No. Why are the signs still incorrect? I
I again I if I could just finish my sent

2476
03:12:24,000 --> 03:12:32,880
sentence and then the board could
deliberate. Um I see the parking ticket

2477
03:12:29,520 --> 03:12:38,960
disputes and the primary dispute is
always I didn't know there was no sign.

2478
03:12:36,479 --> 03:12:40,960
I didn't know that sign was meant for
me, you know.

2479
03:12:40,560 --> 03:12:45,680
» Okay,
>> there's still people trying to put in

2480
03:12:43,520 --> 03:12:49,439
numbers of parking spots because the
numbers are still on the street um

2481
03:12:47,760 --> 03:12:55,359
instead of their license plate. So
there's there's a lot that we could do

2482
03:12:52,319 --> 03:13:00,319
inhouse also to help generate and
continue the upswing in revenue based on

2483
03:12:58,399 --> 03:13:03,600
um people paying for parking.
>> Dave, thank you so much. Anything that

2484
03:13:02,399 --> 03:13:08,319
you're seeing, Dave, if you could just
shoot me a quick email um things you

2485
03:13:07,279 --> 03:13:10,319
want me to bring up and discuss with
them as far as that, that'd be

2486
03:13:09,359 --> 03:13:14,560
fantastic. I appreciate it.
>> My question is why do we need the

2487
03:13:11,520 --> 03:13:19,040
parking committee to create a sign? In
the past, when the board of trustees

2488
03:13:16,399 --> 03:13:24,080
would vote on a parking rate, a time
period, meters on, meters off, that

2489
03:13:21,680 --> 03:13:28,000
would directly go the next day to DPW
who would then make whatever necessary

2490
03:13:26,080 --> 03:13:30,560
changes on the signs and then they'd go
up.

2491
03:13:28,640 --> 03:13:34,160
» I bring it up for two reasons. One, I
also said for the board's iteration and

2492
03:13:32,399 --> 03:13:38,319
the parking committee. So, the parking
committee, I'm sure, are also hearing

2493
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:40,880
from their constituents or their their
customers.

2494
03:13:39,439 --> 03:13:43,920
» Hey, I I wanted to pay for parking.
Where do I pay for parking sites? They

2495
03:13:42,479 --> 03:13:48,000
might have some suggestions. Maybe you
can go through it with them as as as I

2496
03:13:46,479 --> 03:13:53,279
know I think I heard at one of these
meetings some type of

2497
03:13:50,160 --> 03:13:57,680
» um you know either validation of parking
or at least an expression of you know

2498
03:13:55,840 --> 03:14:00,960
work in conjunction with the business
owners to make sure that people know

2499
03:13:59,520 --> 03:14:05,040
they have to park. It'll save them money
in the long run and continue to promote

2500
03:14:02,960 --> 03:14:08,720
the the the business district along with
and I agree with you trusty state and

2501
03:14:06,880 --> 03:14:12,560
because that's why I was kind of twofold
the discussion should be had with them

2502
03:14:10,479 --> 03:14:17,520
because they do offer valuable
suggestions to this board from the

2503
03:14:14,479 --> 03:14:20,880
committee because we've heard some um
but again it's an it's not the first

2504
03:14:19,040 --> 03:14:25,120
time I've said this at meetings like
this where the signage is an issue. Um

2505
03:14:23,439 --> 03:14:28,239
so I think we need to attack it on all
fronts.

2506
03:14:25,680 --> 03:14:32,479
» Uh Dave Attorney you are correct. We've
discussed this at meetings and I think

2507
03:14:29,760 --> 03:14:35,680
the problem was it was the fluctuation
in what the dollar amounts we were going

2508
03:14:34,080 --> 03:14:39,920
to use. It was going to be $150. It was
going to be $2. It was going to be $3

2509
03:14:38,000 --> 03:14:44,720
the same. So, you're right, Stephen. Um,
where are we? Oh, you lost your

2510
03:14:41,840 --> 03:14:49,200
microphone.
Where are we with the signs at the

2511
03:14:46,399 --> 03:14:53,520
current rate of $2
from 12 to 12?

2512
03:14:50,880 --> 03:14:57,600
» So, none of the parking meter signs, the
blue ones that are out there, have the

2513
03:14:55,040 --> 03:15:02,080
rate on them. they have the QR code and
then when they get brought to Honk or if

2514
03:14:59,920 --> 03:15:06,080
they go to a meter uh they see it on the
meter itself or through Honk.

2515
03:15:04,160 --> 03:15:10,560
» So Dave, what are the complaints if the
sign doesn't have an incorrect rate?

2516
03:15:08,960 --> 03:15:14,000
They don't know that they have to feed
the meter. What's what's the over I mean

2517
03:15:12,640 --> 03:15:18,399
I'm sure you get lots of different ones,
but

2518
03:15:14,640 --> 03:15:23,600
» there's literally hundreds um ranging
ranging and I do have pictures of some

2519
03:15:21,040 --> 03:15:27,120
that I've reviewed that the the the
dollar amount was incorrect. the timing

2520
03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:30,479
was incorrect, the season was incorrect.
>> Well, that's Yeah, if I can just jump

2521
03:15:28,880 --> 03:15:35,680
in. That's what I'm what I'm referring
to. If the season's correct, if the days

2522
03:15:32,399 --> 03:15:40,080
are incorrect, um, and the amounts are
incorrect, to me, that's a quick fix. We

2523
03:15:37,760 --> 03:15:44,319
have a sign making machine, make the new
signs, change them out. If there's

2524
03:15:42,160 --> 03:15:47,200
additional signs that need to happen
that, you know, that the parking

2525
03:15:45,439 --> 03:15:51,040
committee wants to see that helps give
them direction or how to pay or

2526
03:15:49,200 --> 03:15:54,880
whatever. But if there's a sign out
there that says it's $3 an hour when

2527
03:15:52,800 --> 03:15:57,840
it's really two, can't we just do a make
a sign and put it up? That's what we

2528
03:15:56,800 --> 03:16:02,720
used to do in the past. I
>> put based on what you're seeing. Um

2529
03:16:00,720 --> 03:16:06,080
what's the modification we need to make
to the sign that Stephen just No, I

2530
03:16:05,680 --> 03:16:09,920
know.
>> And that's the modification. I I I don't

2531
03:16:07,840 --> 03:16:14,560
live in a village. I I don't I don't
hear what goes on. I I only see what's

2532
03:16:11,840 --> 03:16:19,600
on paper. And consistently the complaint
is inadequate signing about h how, when,

2533
03:16:17,600 --> 03:16:24,239
and where people should pay for parking.
Res identifying residential lots from

2534
03:16:21,760 --> 03:16:28,640
non-residential lots. It's across the
board a I don't want to call it a

2535
03:16:26,160 --> 03:16:31,359
failure, but an inconsistency in
adequate signage, period. I mean, I

2536
03:16:30,479 --> 03:16:34,880
don't know how else to say it.
>> I know. I got you. It's more than just

2537
03:16:33,600 --> 03:16:40,000
$3 versus $2.
>> So, this is actually a good a a good um

2538
03:16:38,800 --> 03:16:43,760
» something to address with with the
parking committee because, as you said,

2539
03:16:41,680 --> 03:16:46,960
Yeah. No, you're right on target with I
got it. Um, so I'll bring that up to

2540
03:16:45,680 --> 03:16:50,479
them. If you could just shoot me uh
whatever little suggestions you have,

2541
03:16:48,880 --> 03:16:56,560
uh, that would be fantastic. Thank you.
I know some people too that have had

2542
03:16:52,399 --> 03:17:01,040
some confusion on um oh gosh now I can't
even think of what this the side street

2543
03:16:58,479 --> 03:17:05,520
where um Castaways is because it's
marked 2-hour parking and I think people

2544
03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:11,359
see the 2-hour parking and think that
it's a free 2hour parking spot and don't

2545
03:17:09,040 --> 03:17:14,239
realize that
>> Mil Creek is

2546
03:17:13,359 --> 03:17:17,840
» free two hours
>> because then So if they park longer than

2547
03:17:17,359 --> 03:17:22,880
2 hours
>> so to tack on to that. Oh, so I guess

2548
03:17:20,960 --> 03:17:28,479
they they could No, because there
there's a a pay pay sign there. So

2549
03:17:25,920 --> 03:17:31,200
there's a pay sign right in the middle
of the street. I'm pretty sure

2550
03:17:30,319 --> 03:17:35,040
» used to be
>> and we It's definitely gone. Okay. Cuz I

2551
03:17:34,720 --> 03:17:39,920
remember
>> there used to be one by the brewery

2552
03:17:37,200 --> 03:17:41,279
between that was to my knowledge was all
taken down.

2553
03:17:40,560 --> 03:17:45,120
» All right.
>> I know it's muscle memory.

2554
03:17:43,120 --> 03:17:49,920
» Yeah. But the lasted
>> going back probably maybe a year now

2555
03:17:47,840 --> 03:17:55,279
from the parking committee they decided
that milk they were going to

2556
03:17:52,479 --> 03:18:00,880
» keep Mil Creek as a road. So that would
be as you would on any street no to

2557
03:17:59,439 --> 03:18:04,800
promote turnover. Right.
>> Okay. Thank you.

2558
03:18:02,479 --> 03:18:07,600
» Okay. Any more parking?
>> Did you want to add something?

2559
03:18:06,160 --> 03:18:13,439
» I could just I could answer one of the
qu to attorney Moran's point. There are

2560
03:18:10,960 --> 03:18:18,399
the new signs are made out of like a uh
it's like a cora material and they used

2561
03:18:16,560 --> 03:18:23,600
some of the really old signs that are
made out of hard like hard plastic and

2562
03:18:20,319 --> 03:18:28,640
metal to use as a base to apply the the
new signs on top of it

2563
03:18:26,080 --> 03:18:29,760
» yeah with Velcro. Some people go around
and

2564
03:18:29,040 --> 03:18:34,000
» rip them off
>> and they rip it off and then if we don't

2565
03:18:32,000 --> 03:18:37,600
catch it in time then it become that
becomes the issue. So once we get

2566
03:18:35,680 --> 03:18:42,160
notified, parks gets notified, they go
right out and try and put a new sign on

2567
03:18:40,479 --> 03:18:44,640
um as soon as possible. Or if they
can't, they don't have an additional

2568
03:18:43,359 --> 03:18:46,560
sign, they'll just take that old one
off.

2569
03:18:44,960 --> 03:18:50,239
» And we order those out. We don't we
don't make those ourselves

2570
03:18:48,160 --> 03:18:54,319
» because there's too many. We ordered 90
to 120 at a clip depending on what it

2571
03:18:52,640 --> 03:18:58,640
is. And that's that's too
>> it's a lot cheaper than metal signs for

2572
03:18:56,560 --> 03:19:02,640
them to make. And the the ink at the
sign making machine is quite expensive.

2573
03:19:00,800 --> 03:19:07,120
So that would blow through quite a bit
and hurt their budget. Maybe we don't

2574
03:19:04,000 --> 03:19:10,239
use Velcro. Maybe we can
>> I defer to I defer to the parks and

2575
03:19:09,359 --> 03:19:14,640
highway department.
>> I'm going to I'll bring that up also uh

2576
03:19:12,080 --> 03:19:19,520
at the at the meeting on the 21st um to
kind of see if we can problem solve out

2577
03:19:16,720 --> 03:19:23,760
what would be a better way to secure the
that signage so we don't have that

2578
03:19:20,960 --> 03:19:27,760
problem. All right. Any more parking?
Okay. Let's move on to the school

2579
03:19:25,520 --> 03:19:32,800
district. Um the school district working
group had had the summer off. We're

2580
03:19:29,279 --> 03:19:38,960
going to get started um uh this uh in
two weeks. Um but I I'd like to address

2581
03:19:35,359 --> 03:19:44,319
the um uh and I think it was a travesty
by section 11 what they did to the uh

2582
03:19:42,239 --> 03:19:48,479
football players and the stu these
student athletes at the school. I think

2583
03:19:45,760 --> 03:19:52,160
that was terrible. Um
and I do like I would like to say I know

2584
03:19:50,399 --> 03:19:54,319
mayor you sent an individual letter to
section 11.

2585
03:19:54,000 --> 03:19:58,239
You
>> I had a communication with the section

2586
03:19:56,880 --> 03:20:03,200
11 the head of section 11. Yeah. I'd
like to thank Trusty Dit and uh Juliano

2587
03:20:00,960 --> 03:20:08,239
and Snen for joining the letter that we
submitted to section 11 in support of

2588
03:20:05,520 --> 03:20:11,040
the school district. Um mayor, you also
said you received a communication that

2589
03:20:09,600 --> 03:20:13,600
you were going to forward to us. Uh I
don't know if it was an oversight. We

2590
03:20:12,160 --> 03:20:19,040
never received that. So if you have an
opportunity, that would be great. Um and

2591
03:20:16,399 --> 03:20:22,399
then welcome back to all of the uh Oh, I
apologize. The school district is

2592
03:20:20,720 --> 03:20:28,560
currently appealing that decision.
>> Yeah. uh they lost the appeal and now

2593
03:20:24,960 --> 03:20:35,680
they are um in the process of
researching uh different avenues to uh

2594
03:20:31,680 --> 03:20:39,359
address the issue with section 11. Um
moving on uh want to welcome back all

2595
03:20:37,439 --> 03:20:46,160
the the uh kids and students back to
school. Um, I I was able to take a

2596
03:20:42,479 --> 03:20:52,479
facilities tour with uh Trustee Dit and
they've done uh so much stuff at the

2597
03:20:48,319 --> 03:20:56,640
school um repairs to buildings, air
conditioning units. Um too much to list,

2598
03:20:54,880 --> 03:21:01,600
but they've done a nice job getting the
school ready for this upcoming school

2599
03:20:58,720 --> 03:21:04,720
year. So, uh kudos to um all the
employees at the school district and the

2600
03:21:03,359 --> 03:21:10,720
board and the superintendent
administration. They've done a nice job.

2601
03:21:06,800 --> 03:21:16,640
Um, I'd like to uh recognize I hope I
pronounce her name correctly, Siana Sar.

2602
03:21:14,160 --> 03:21:20,800
She uh had this wonderful art project
that became part of the school calendar.

2603
03:21:18,640 --> 03:21:25,120
It was really very very neat. I was at
the board meeting last night. It was

2604
03:21:22,160 --> 03:21:31,680
just it was sweet to see. And uh also
I'd like to acknowledge um Julia Gomez.

2605
03:21:28,399 --> 03:21:36,479
Uh she is now the board of uh education
uh student rep. Uh wonderful resume. Uh

2606
03:21:34,880 --> 03:21:42,640
it was just really nice to see her take
her oath of office. It was uh fun.

2607
03:21:38,560 --> 03:21:49,040
Yesterday I did speak to uh uh division
chief uh Mson about the snow plow

2608
03:21:45,120 --> 03:21:54,399
painting. Um we had a discussion uh with
the school uh yesterday um at the board

2609
03:21:51,760 --> 03:21:57,439
meeting and uh Greg and I have come to a
conclusion that we're going to bring

2610
03:21:55,279 --> 03:22:00,640
about three plows over to the uh high
school. They're going to Greg's going to

2611
03:21:58,560 --> 03:22:03,120
get them prepped and we're going to
provide the paint to the uh to the

2612
03:22:02,080 --> 03:22:06,960
school district and then they're going
to have them uh paint them all up, get

2613
03:22:05,680 --> 03:22:11,439
them all ready. It's going to be a nice
thing. Um we both came up with actually

2614
03:22:09,840 --> 03:22:15,920
I think we kind of said it together how
we want to have like a naming contest of

2615
03:22:13,680 --> 03:22:18,720
each of the plows by the elementary
school. So, we're gonna we're going to

2616
03:22:17,279 --> 03:22:22,880
start something like that and then in
the end we'd like to if it would be okay

2617
03:22:20,720 --> 03:22:26,479
with the board to put the plows in front
of village hall while when they're all

2618
03:22:24,880 --> 03:22:28,560
finished and painted so you know
residents and uh the students can come

2619
03:22:28,239 --> 03:22:30,399
by
>> 100%.

2620
03:22:29,439 --> 03:22:34,160
» Yeah, I think it's going to be a really
nice idea.

2621
03:22:32,080 --> 03:22:36,640
» Um so
>> somewhere

2622
03:22:34,960 --> 03:22:42,640
» yeah we'll find a spot for them. We'll
find we'll find a spot for them. So uh

2623
03:22:39,600 --> 03:22:50,880
and that's it for the school district uh
working group. I have been um attending

2624
03:22:48,080 --> 03:22:55,680
um uh the golf course department head
meetings and I was at the CCMAC

2625
03:22:54,080 --> 03:23:01,040
meeting. Uh so I just want to run
through some things that I uh that were

2626
03:22:58,319 --> 03:23:06,880
discussed. Uh one of the suggestions
from the uh CCMAC

2627
03:23:04,560 --> 03:23:12,080
was to hire an aronomist for the golf
course. And um so I did a little

2628
03:23:09,760 --> 03:23:17,040
research on it. We currently have an
aronomist

2629
03:23:13,680 --> 03:23:23,920
that works with the uh uh the head of
grounds. And so my concern was when I

2630
03:23:22,239 --> 03:23:29,680
spoke to uh this gentleman, his name is
Steven McDonald, that nobody from the

2631
03:23:26,319 --> 03:23:36,399
CCMAC, the board of governors, or even
the division chief contacted him to

2632
03:23:32,479 --> 03:23:41,920
discuss um the conditions on the course.
So the the problem is they're making a

2633
03:23:38,399 --> 03:23:46,720
recommendation to hire a USGAA
certified aronomist

2634
03:23:44,399 --> 03:23:51,760
without all of doing all the all the the
the work. You know, we have someone in

2635
03:23:48,960 --> 03:23:57,120
place. Now this gentleman that we
currently have, mayor, when you were at

2636
03:23:54,160 --> 03:24:01,840
Shinik um for the golf course, I don't
know if you were monitoring holes, he

2637
03:23:59,680 --> 03:24:07,120
was there working at Shinik. This this
gentleman is experienced. So I think um

2638
03:24:05,200 --> 03:24:13,200
before they make a recommendation to
this body to spend $3 to $6,000,

2639
03:24:11,120 --> 03:24:16,720
they should, you know, reach out to the
current aronomist we have, find out

2640
03:24:15,200 --> 03:24:22,800
what's going on because I've received
his report. And um the big concern at

2641
03:24:20,399 --> 03:24:29,439
the golf course, um from what I'm
understanding is from the meetings is

2642
03:24:24,960 --> 03:24:34,479
crab grass and this the green speed. And
you know what I think some of the people

2643
03:24:31,840 --> 03:24:40,720
are are not taking into consideration is
that we've had 30 to 40% more rain. So I

2644
03:24:38,239 --> 03:24:47,279
did a a drive around with uh Pat
Sullivan and Greg Mson and you can see

2645
03:24:44,080 --> 03:24:52,479
that the it's spongy, the course is wet
and that promotes crab grass. That's

2646
03:24:49,760 --> 03:24:58,640
just how it is. Um but they're working
hard to get the situation resolved. Um

2647
03:24:55,279 --> 03:25:01,920
but I do think a recommendation um uh
that and I did speak to Greg about it

2648
03:25:00,239 --> 03:25:06,319
that he should reach out to Mr. McDonald
before we start recommending another

2649
03:25:03,760 --> 03:25:10,080
expenditure. We already have one on a
contract with one that maybe that would

2650
03:25:07,680 --> 03:25:13,760
might be a better a better uh plan of
action. And the same with the CCMAC if

2651
03:25:12,399 --> 03:25:17,920
they're going to make a recommendation
they should speak to the current

2652
03:25:14,800 --> 03:25:21,680
aronomist that we have on staff. Um so
>> do we have an aronomist on staff or do

2653
03:25:20,160 --> 03:25:25,279
we have a contract with them?
>> We have well potatoes potatoes. We have

2654
03:25:23,680 --> 03:25:27,920
a We have an aronomist that we can
>> No word no words words matter.

2655
03:25:26,960 --> 03:25:31,760
» Yeah. No.
>> So we have an we have an aronomist that

2656
03:25:30,080 --> 03:25:36,160
is under contract.
>> Where's his scope?

2657
03:25:33,520 --> 03:25:40,000
» Do we have a do we have a contract with
Steve McDonald? Not that I'm not crit

2658
03:25:38,800 --> 03:25:42,720
not a criticism. Just
>> mayor I I

2659
03:25:40,960 --> 03:25:46,000
» I want to know what his agree what our
agreement is with him. if there's an

2660
03:25:44,399 --> 03:25:53,120
agreement with him, what is what is the
scope and what how who is he reporting

2661
03:25:48,000 --> 03:25:55,680
to and who how is the CCMAC or anyone uh
getting that information? I haven't seen

2662
03:25:55,359 --> 03:26:00,720
it.
>> Well, I I they could probably do what I

2663
03:25:58,000 --> 03:26:04,720
did. You ask the head groundskeeper and
say, "Do we have an aronomist?" And he

2664
03:26:02,880 --> 03:26:07,359
goes, "Yeah." And then he goes I said,
"Hold on,

2665
03:26:05,439 --> 03:26:11,040
» but I'd love to see that scope work.
>> I'm going to tell you how it works."

2666
03:26:08,479 --> 03:26:15,760
Then you say, "Oh, what's his name?"
>> And do you have contact information? And

2667
03:26:13,120 --> 03:26:20,000
then you you text him and then what he
does is he calls you back and then you

2668
03:26:18,080 --> 03:26:24,160
get that information.
>> In what capacity?

2669
03:26:22,640 --> 03:26:27,600
» In what capacity did you do that? I
>> I in what capacity as a trustee of the

2670
03:26:27,200 --> 03:26:32,000
village?
>> That's op that's daily operating thing.

2671
03:26:30,560 --> 03:26:35,840
That's a daily operating.
>> Yeah. So

2672
03:26:32,640 --> 03:26:41,600
» but but I'm I am curious. I I'm I think
brilliant, right? you're interested in

2673
03:26:38,000 --> 03:26:46,399
your in your engaged, but I'm wondering
where's the scope of work that the

2674
03:26:44,160 --> 03:26:51,040
aronomist has. And I'm not asking you to
explain that. I don't I'm not sure that

2675
03:26:48,000 --> 03:26:56,479
I even know. I I'd like to know what his
scope of work is if we're paying him and

2676
03:26:53,439 --> 03:27:01,439
and how often does he does he come in
and what where are his reports and who

2677
03:26:58,640 --> 03:27:04,399
do they go to and just you know, we
don't have to talk about it right now,

2678
03:27:02,640 --> 03:27:08,319
but I I will follow up with that.
>> Things to follow up on, right?

2679
03:27:06,160 --> 03:27:13,520
» Yeah. I I think there's definitely that
before a recommendation is made, they

2680
03:27:10,479 --> 03:27:17,040
should ask Pat, you know, cuz he's the
head of the grounds, you know, do we

2681
03:27:15,040 --> 03:27:19,200
have an aronomist and where are the and
where are the reports? What's their

2682
03:27:18,640 --> 03:27:22,880
recommendations?
>> Can you produce them before you say

2683
03:27:21,040 --> 03:27:26,319
charge? Let's let's hire another one for
$6,000. That's that's it.

2684
03:27:24,640 --> 03:27:29,760
» We're not hiring. It would be
>> Can I ask a complaint because I don't

2685
03:27:27,920 --> 03:27:31,279
know and I because I'm sure at some
point I'm going to have to look at this

2686
03:27:30,800 --> 03:27:37,600
agreement.
>> Yeah. Um, I have to assume if it made it

2687
03:27:34,960 --> 03:27:42,560
to the CC, whatever it is in the board
of governors that, um, there was

2688
03:27:41,120 --> 03:27:46,880
complaints that the golf course made to
somebody, who was responsible for making

2689
03:27:45,359 --> 03:27:51,680
the complaint to get it to the board of
governors or the board of commissioners

2690
03:27:50,160 --> 03:27:56,640
and
who at the golf course knew about it?

2691
03:27:54,080 --> 03:28:01,120
» That's a and and who's responsible for
engaging the person who's responsible

2692
03:27:58,319 --> 03:28:03,680
for fixing it? There's a lot to unravel
there.

2693
03:28:02,080 --> 03:28:07,600
» There there's I'm going to say this
after having a couple of these meetings

2694
03:28:05,279 --> 03:28:11,600
with the staff. There's a lot of hands
in the sauce,

2695
03:28:09,200 --> 03:28:16,000
» right? There and and they they're they
could use

2696
03:28:13,760 --> 03:28:18,960
less hands in the sauce. All right,
that's so I'll leave it at that. You got

2697
03:28:17,680 --> 03:28:24,560
you got the board of governors, you have
the CCMAC, you have you know there's

2698
03:28:21,760 --> 03:28:26,239
there's external influences from
village.

2699
03:28:25,040 --> 03:28:30,960
» I agree with you. I'm just trying to
understand the process because you would

2700
03:28:28,479 --> 03:28:36,880
think that comp if there's conditions of
the grass being made to the golf course

2701
03:28:33,760 --> 03:28:40,479
» that there should be a record of it
there should be an engagement there

2702
03:28:38,880 --> 03:28:45,600
should be a report on the engagement of
what services were provided and I'm

2703
03:28:42,720 --> 03:28:48,800
still I'm doing some of this to delay
I'm doing some of this to delay so

2704
03:28:47,120 --> 03:28:53,439
Stephen could say oh we paid him last
month

2705
03:28:51,200 --> 03:28:58,160
» I can move on to something else we dance
so much That leads to Is there an RFP

2706
03:28:56,800 --> 03:29:03,279
and did we go through a while?
>> Why do we not as the board of trustees

2707
03:29:00,319 --> 03:29:07,600
get uh regular reports from the CCMAC
and the board of governors?

2708
03:29:05,520 --> 03:29:12,399
» Just stands
>> again. Hold on. Mayor, if I may, I think

2709
03:29:10,399 --> 03:29:15,840
the better question
might be

2710
03:29:13,520 --> 03:29:21,520
» whoever's engaging
>> the aronomist should be producing the

2711
03:29:18,640 --> 03:29:27,840
report of the work that's being done.
>> No, not that report. I'm just saying

2712
03:29:24,239 --> 03:29:32,080
there's two entities running the golf
course, making decisions, engaging

2713
03:29:30,000 --> 03:29:35,600
aronomists, telling employees what's
wrong with the course. I've heard none

2714
03:29:34,160 --> 03:29:38,479
of that. I don't know if the board has
heard any of that. I don't spend every

2715
03:29:37,200 --> 03:29:42,239
day at the golf course. I don't have
these discussions, but as a committee or

2716
03:29:40,640 --> 03:29:47,359
the CCMAC as a committee and the board
of governors as a board, shouldn't we be

2717
03:29:44,960 --> 03:29:51,600
getting regular reports from the golf
course

2718
03:29:49,520 --> 03:29:55,040
about all of this stuff, good and bad,
and what's going on? I have no idea

2719
03:29:54,239 --> 03:29:58,640
what's going on over there.
>> I'm currently going to do the best I

2720
03:29:56,479 --> 03:30:02,239
can. So, um, Stephen, do you need more
time because I have other stuff to talk

2721
03:29:59,760 --> 03:30:05,600
about.
>> Yes. Just say yes. You need more time.

2722
03:30:03,680 --> 03:30:10,479
All I can what I can answer right now is
that the village uh procured uh Steve

2723
03:30:08,399 --> 03:30:16,640
McDonald's company which is called Turf
Grass Disease Solutions and paid him

2724
03:30:12,800 --> 03:30:19,680
$8,100 in February.
>> Turf Grass Disease Solutions.

2725
03:30:18,720 --> 03:30:26,800
» Yes. And
>> did is that a sole source provider?

2726
03:30:22,160 --> 03:30:31,279
» Uh I have to pull the package. I don't I
but I can pull up right at this moment.

2727
03:30:28,960 --> 03:30:35,120
» Was it then there was a resolution?
>> I don't believe so. I believe it was I

2728
03:30:33,359 --> 03:30:39,359
believe there were more than one quote
possibly was received but again I don't

2729
03:30:37,120 --> 03:30:42,080
know I have to do more research I have
to go and look at the actual packet

2730
03:30:40,880 --> 03:30:43,760
» when you figure when you get it together
we'll take

2731
03:30:42,479 --> 03:30:50,080
» what's the name of the company
>> turf grass

2732
03:30:46,239 --> 03:30:53,279
one word disease solutions
>> so it's a contractor

2733
03:30:52,080 --> 03:30:57,080
» it was a contractor
>> selling chemicals

2734
03:30:57,840 --> 03:31:04,239
» that was not my understanding when it
was procured

2735
03:31:01,439 --> 03:31:06,560
from The my understanding was he was an
aronomist.

2736
03:31:05,439 --> 03:31:10,239
» He that's exactly
>> certified to come in and was was to be

2737
03:31:09,359 --> 03:31:14,239
on call
>> of the grounds

2738
03:31:11,200 --> 03:31:18,880
» and I if my memory serves me to give a
couple quarter or quarterly reports on

2739
03:31:16,479 --> 03:31:22,640
the conditions of the course to assist
in the maintenance staff to help address

2740
03:31:21,359 --> 03:31:27,200
those problems.
>> So those reports exist somewhere.

2741
03:31:24,880 --> 03:31:30,560
» I don't know.
>> Well, don't ask the CCMAC or the board

2742
03:31:29,200 --> 03:31:35,760
of governors because they've never asked
for them. So, I'm going to move on. Um,

2743
03:31:33,120 --> 03:31:40,319
also at the work session with the um,
department heads, we discussed the

2744
03:31:37,439 --> 03:31:43,760
driving range, and you know, Jake
brought up an ex and Larry actually

2745
03:31:41,600 --> 03:31:50,239
brought up an interesting point. They
said potentially we're losing 15 to

2746
03:31:45,840 --> 03:31:57,680
20,000 worth of golf balls on the west
side of the driving range into the

2747
03:31:53,920 --> 03:32:05,040
um, landfill area because the uh, the
netting is so low. So, um um Division

2748
03:32:02,080 --> 03:32:11,680
Chief Mson is going to potentially look
into um at least figuring out if we can

2749
03:32:08,560 --> 03:32:16,319
repair the west side to prevent the lost
balls into the um waste area there. So,

2750
03:32:14,960 --> 03:32:21,840
that was something they're going to look
at. Um we also discussed or they

2751
03:32:19,760 --> 03:32:25,760
discussed and I added to it um a
potential of a new scoreboard. Uh the

2752
03:32:23,680 --> 03:32:30,319
school district working group uh had an
idea about potentially uh having a sign

2753
03:32:28,239 --> 03:32:34,640
developed that said home of the royals
with all the championships on it. We had

2754
03:32:31,920 --> 03:32:40,640
discussed this last year. Uh Jake had an
excellent idea that when we when they uh

2755
03:32:38,560 --> 03:32:44,880
modernize and and uh replace this
current sign that would be a spot that

2756
03:32:42,399 --> 03:32:51,200
they could do it. So that was uh uh
suggested. So hopefully that comes to um

2757
03:32:48,239 --> 03:32:57,840
uh come to fruition. Um they were also
would like to um increase Luke and I'm

2758
03:32:54,239 --> 03:33:02,800
going to butcher this name Mavane Mane
his role um but they're restricted I

2759
03:33:00,399 --> 03:33:07,200
guess because of his title. So maybe
something to that we can look at um

2760
03:33:04,720 --> 03:33:12,000
about uh Luke and giving him an expanded
role uh for junior programs and things

2761
03:33:09,439 --> 03:33:16,319
like that they were talking about. Um,
again, I I you know, I did the tour and

2762
03:33:14,080 --> 03:33:22,080
and looked at the green speeds and the
crab grass, and I know that uh uh Pat

2763
03:33:19,680 --> 03:33:25,680
and uh Division Chief Mson discussed uh
removing some trees and trimming some

2764
03:33:24,080 --> 03:33:32,800
trees down to get a little bit of more
sun on the greens um uh to help dry them

2765
03:33:29,359 --> 03:33:37,840
out a little bit. So, uh they're working
on that. And then we also scheduled to

2766
03:33:35,600 --> 03:33:42,160
meet with the treasurer because they'd
like to get the early bird started soon.

2767
03:33:40,720 --> 03:33:46,160
So, we they kind of want to meet with
Stephen. So, Stephen accepted an

2768
03:33:43,600 --> 03:33:52,960
invitation to next Tuesday's meeting.
Um, and they'll discuss early bird um uh

2769
03:33:51,279 --> 03:33:56,800
fees to see if we can get that started
because um I'm confused who's going to

2770
03:33:56,080 --> 03:34:02,399
discuss it.
>> Steven is going to be there with uh Jake

2771
03:34:00,160 --> 03:34:05,439
uh division chief monson. You know that
that the department

2772
03:34:03,359 --> 03:34:09,200
» I didn't know if you CCMC. Okay.
>> So, no, it's not the CCM that he's going

2773
03:34:07,200 --> 03:34:13,279
to start with the department heads on
that Tuesday meeting. Mhm.

2774
03:34:10,640 --> 03:34:18,160
» So, um and so Steven was kind enough to
say that he would come to that and um so

2775
03:34:16,800 --> 03:34:24,720
hopefully they get that started because
they are down um members at the golf

2776
03:34:21,840 --> 03:34:29,279
course and um they would like to get
this out so that we could potentially,

2777
03:34:27,760 --> 03:34:35,120
you know, maybe offset some of the
financial losses that we've had um by

2778
03:34:32,560 --> 03:34:39,200
membership drop offs.
Um,

2779
03:34:36,880 --> 03:34:45,279
and then, uh, Larry, who does a lot of
the scheduling at the course, would like

2780
03:34:41,840 --> 03:34:51,600
all of the, um, participants at the golf
course, you know, the men's league, the

2781
03:34:47,600 --> 03:34:56,800
the the ladies league, um, uh, the the
rec center to get their scheduled

2782
03:34:53,840 --> 03:35:00,560
activities and and dates to him sooner,
sometime maybe in January, so he it just

2783
03:34:59,120 --> 03:35:03,680
make them easier to schedule, which made
sense. Um, if we could get that done,

2784
03:35:02,640 --> 03:35:07,840
he's going to he's going to work on
that. He's actually putting a proposal

2785
03:35:05,040 --> 03:35:13,840
together uh to submit to uh division
chief Mson uh so that we can kind of

2786
03:35:10,399 --> 03:35:20,359
figure out a process to move that along.
Um

2787
03:35:15,439 --> 03:35:20,359
let me see what else. Sorry.

2788
03:35:20,880 --> 03:35:28,720
And I think Hold on.
I'm going to say and that's Oh, and

2789
03:35:26,160 --> 03:35:36,479
that's my report.
>> That might Yeah. Take it away.

2790
03:35:33,359 --> 03:35:41,920
I'm ready.
Building and planning uh has a meeting

2791
03:35:38,960 --> 03:35:47,680
um tomorrow night. They have a bunch of
projects um on the schedule for

2792
03:35:43,760 --> 03:35:52,000
approval. Um I read on the agenda that
GEI will be making a presentation at

2793
03:35:50,239 --> 03:35:56,880
that meeting about the bluff
stabilization project. Um so that is a

2794
03:35:54,800 --> 03:36:01,520
public meeting. I think it's important
that the public be notified and aware

2795
03:35:59,040 --> 03:36:05,680
that that's taking place. Um, it's my
understanding that someone from the CCE

2796
03:36:03,200 --> 03:36:12,399
will be in attendance and I have a
question as to whether or when GI will

2797
03:36:08,720 --> 03:36:17,120
be presenting um that same report to the
board of trustees.

2798
03:36:15,680 --> 03:36:23,760
» I guess it depends on what the planning
board comes back with, right? So, they

2799
03:36:20,960 --> 03:36:28,720
will be presenting something, but the
goal was to have them present to the

2800
03:36:26,319 --> 03:36:32,399
planning board first and respond to some
of the questions that the planning board

2801
03:36:30,239 --> 03:36:34,319
came up with um after the first
presentation that they made.

2802
03:36:33,840 --> 03:36:37,840
» Okay.
>> So, I'm really interested in hearing the

2803
03:36:36,239 --> 03:36:42,560
planning board's review. They review
plans all the time. So,

2804
03:36:40,239 --> 03:36:47,359
» that to me is a check and balance that
was never uh conducted before for this

2805
03:36:44,960 --> 03:36:54,560
project on on the bluff. So, I think
it's a a great asset that we have at our

2806
03:36:51,680 --> 03:37:00,640
disposal and they asked some really good
questions back in March or April and so

2807
03:36:58,399 --> 03:37:04,160
um GEI is coming back with responses to
those and some responses to some of the

2808
03:37:02,399 --> 03:37:12,960
other issues that have been brought up
by our um by our just volunteers and

2809
03:37:08,479 --> 03:37:16,319
also our CCE and um the CCMAC has a
representative who's very very attentive

2810
03:37:14,720 --> 03:37:24,239
and interested in the project, Eli Zam.
IC and um also our engineer. So I mean I

2811
03:37:23,040 --> 03:37:27,279
don't think we can get enough eyes on
this project because it's that

2812
03:37:26,560 --> 03:37:29,760
important.
>> Okay, great.

2813
03:37:27,920 --> 03:37:34,800
» Can I interject something, Stephen? What
is that? Uh do we have a a a cost

2814
03:37:31,920 --> 03:37:37,840
estimate on that presentation
>> on what presentation?

2815
03:37:35,920 --> 03:37:41,120
» The GEI presentation.
>> Do we Stephen?

2816
03:37:39,680 --> 03:37:43,840
» Why would why would Steve
>> Well, I'm just saying do we know what do

2817
03:37:42,560 --> 03:37:47,040
we know what that's going to cost us
approximately? I have not seen anything.

2818
03:37:45,840 --> 03:37:49,279
» They're not charging us for it.
>> Oh, it's free.

2819
03:37:48,239 --> 03:37:52,640
» Oh, great.
>> It's included included

2820
03:37:50,880 --> 03:37:57,200
» the scope of services that they have
been

2821
03:37:53,600 --> 03:38:01,439
» so just just to add I'm sorry I was
talking to Sylvia so I missed some of

2822
03:37:58,640 --> 03:38:06,960
that. Um, I understand that it's it's
it's important to have the planning

2823
03:38:03,680 --> 03:38:12,000
board um there, but would it not be best
to have that presentation done here at

2824
03:38:10,399 --> 03:38:16,239
our board meeting with the planning
board here with the community here? So,

2825
03:38:14,479 --> 03:38:20,080
they make that presentation and we start
to involve the community and let them

2826
03:38:17,920 --> 03:38:23,279
know uh what's going on with this
project. So, that and if we have

2827
03:38:22,080 --> 03:38:27,520
questions at the planning board, we
can't ask any questions. We can't even

2828
03:38:24,720 --> 03:38:32,479
be there. But here we can and it would
be nice to have GEI do a presentation in

2829
03:38:30,560 --> 03:38:37,279
front of us where if we have a question
we can ask.

2830
03:38:34,399 --> 03:38:39,040
» That's I love that idea. Let's do it.
>> Bob,

2831
03:38:38,319 --> 03:38:41,359
» let's do it.
>> Hold on. I I

2832
03:38:40,560 --> 03:38:43,920
» Let's do it.
>> Right here, sister.

2833
03:38:42,479 --> 03:38:46,000
» It's planned. Matthew,
>> when?

2834
03:38:44,800 --> 03:38:48,960
» Matthew,
>> we have We don't have a date right now,

2835
03:38:47,840 --> 03:38:52,880
but it is planned.
>> Dave, is there a reason why the

2836
03:38:51,359 --> 03:38:56,399
» board of trustees can't go to the
planning board meeting?

2837
03:38:53,840 --> 03:38:57,279
» Who said you can't?
Okay.

2838
03:38:56,720 --> 03:39:00,000
» No one.
>> Thank you.

2839
03:38:57,840 --> 03:39:03,200
» Can we can go and ask questions?
>> No.

2840
03:39:01,439 --> 03:39:06,960
» Well, that's up to the board. That's up
to the chair.

2841
03:39:04,239 --> 03:39:10,080
» Again, what you can't do is deliberate.
>> A violation of a meeting meetings law

2842
03:39:08,720 --> 03:39:12,160
would be if you're in a quorum for the
purposes of conducting business.

2843
03:39:11,680 --> 03:39:17,040
» Okay.
>> The the presentation itself and

2844
03:39:14,319 --> 03:39:21,040
questions about the presentation,
>> I don't think I have an issue with

2845
03:39:19,120 --> 03:39:24,160
directing them is I have an issue with
or telling them they're wrong. I have an

2846
03:39:22,479 --> 03:39:28,720
issue with or things meant for this
room. I I would have an issue with

2847
03:39:26,960 --> 03:39:31,920
um but I I don't think I have an issue
if the board of trustees attended and I

2848
03:39:30,640 --> 03:39:35,359
think we've done it before where the
board of trustees have attended

2849
03:39:33,120 --> 03:39:38,080
presentations and listened along with
the public.

2850
03:39:36,640 --> 03:39:39,840
» I I remember at least one.
>> Yeah.

2851
03:39:38,479 --> 03:39:43,840
» Okay. Because I was planning on going.
So I just wanted to make sure that it

2852
03:39:41,520 --> 03:39:45,760
was okay for me to be there.
>> I'm going to and I'm going to sit right

2853
03:39:44,960 --> 03:39:48,160
next to Bob.
>> Okay.

2854
03:39:46,640 --> 03:39:52,080
» So that is tomorrow. Starts at six
o'clock in this room. um for that. I

2855
03:39:50,880 --> 03:39:54,399
don't know when on the agenda the
presentation is, but that will be

2856
03:39:53,600 --> 03:39:59,920
happening tomorrow.
>> There's two public hearings first.

2857
03:39:56,160 --> 03:40:04,239
» Yes. And their regular business. So um
the new beautifification committee we

2858
03:40:01,520 --> 03:40:07,840
met.
>> Did you want to say something?

2859
03:40:05,120 --> 03:40:10,960
» Yeah, I do. And I want to say tactfully.
Um, there might be another thing on the

2860
03:40:09,439 --> 03:40:15,520
planning board agenda tomorrow that
maybe this board I would not like in the

2861
03:40:13,120 --> 03:40:20,399
room at that time because it was in the
room tonight and I don't want to be a

2862
03:40:18,560 --> 03:40:24,319
appearance that we're trying to put
influence on an autonomous board for

2863
03:40:22,560 --> 03:40:26,399
everyone's benefit and that would be the
Beachwood project.

2864
03:40:25,200 --> 03:40:29,600
» So you can watch it on YouTube.
>> Everyone's having

2865
03:40:28,239 --> 03:40:33,840
» I don't know what time that's on. I
don't know when but when it happened I I

2866
03:40:31,840 --> 03:40:37,600
I don't want there to be you you
understand as we as we did 100 ethics

2867
03:40:36,319 --> 03:40:41,439
interviews and everyone talked about the
appearance of impropriety that board is

2868
03:40:39,680 --> 03:40:45,680
meant to be autonomous
>> and with five trustees in the room they

2869
03:40:43,920 --> 03:40:48,319
might think it's less autonomous than it
should be even though we know that's not

2870
03:40:47,120 --> 03:40:51,439
the reason
>> I'll give you the lay the rundown of the

2871
03:40:50,800 --> 03:40:54,239
agenda.
>> Good like

2872
03:40:52,960 --> 03:40:58,800
» I think it's actually
>> it's near the beginning. Yeah, I think

2873
03:40:57,600 --> 03:41:00,720
they're at the uh
>> what's near the beginning of the

2874
03:40:59,760 --> 03:41:05,439
presentation
>> the bluff presentation. There's two two

2875
03:41:03,520 --> 03:41:07,840
I believe public hearings if I remember
reading it.

2876
03:41:06,239 --> 03:41:09,120
» Two public hearings and then general
business.

2877
03:41:08,560 --> 03:41:13,040
» Yeah.
>> Of which uh Beachwood is not a part of

2878
03:41:11,520 --> 03:41:16,960
that.
Um and then

2879
03:41:15,439 --> 03:41:19,680
» I think Beachwood would be at the end as
part of a decision calendar

2880
03:41:18,160 --> 03:41:21,840
» because it's a longer it's part of the
resolutions.

2881
03:41:20,960 --> 03:41:25,040
» They have a lot of
>> I think projects on for approval

2882
03:41:23,439 --> 03:41:30,640
tomorrow. I would only ask as as your
council if the pre if that presentation

2883
03:41:26,720 --> 03:41:38,160
happens first please don't scadaddle
>> I'm sorry site plan development is the

2884
03:41:33,520 --> 03:41:41,279
second item on public hearings
>> beachwood

2885
03:41:39,840 --> 03:41:43,600
» they're closing that public hearing I'm
sorry my mistake

2886
03:41:42,239 --> 03:41:45,840
» so you can watch on YouTube and when
they get around to that point then show

2887
03:41:45,279 --> 03:41:51,359
up
>> or we could yeah public

2888
03:41:49,520 --> 03:41:53,439
don't talk business but meet somewhere
else

2889
03:41:51,920 --> 03:41:56,000
» that's very good point David thank Thank
you.

2890
03:41:54,160 --> 03:42:00,399
» Thanks, David. Um, beautifification
committee, we just met for the first

2891
03:41:57,600 --> 03:42:05,920
time. We went, um, discussed some
lowhanging fruit. Uh, quickly, areas

2892
03:42:03,439 --> 03:42:10,000
around some of the Portf welcome signs.
Um, some small pocket gardens that need

2893
03:42:07,760 --> 03:42:14,720
attention. There's there's a a regular
complaint that we've seen on Facebook.

2894
03:42:12,399 --> 03:42:17,279
Um, additionally, some of the committee
members brought it to my attention and

2895
03:42:16,160 --> 03:42:22,399
residents have brought it to my
attention as well as store owners about

2896
03:42:19,760 --> 03:42:29,840
the weeds in a lot of the garden beds
and the excess amount of garbage that is

2897
03:42:25,279 --> 03:42:33,920
in around on top of um all of the uh big
bellies throughout the village. So, I

2898
03:42:32,640 --> 03:42:41,200
don't know if the regular schedule of
DPW is is not keeping up with the amount

2899
03:42:37,279 --> 03:42:45,200
of people that are leaving garbage. Um,
but it's been a regular complaint in

2900
03:42:43,279 --> 03:42:49,120
lots of different facets of the village.
So, I don't know um how that can be

2901
03:42:47,840 --> 03:42:51,680
addressed, but I think it needs to be
addressed

2902
03:42:49,680 --> 03:42:57,600
» with a seasonal part-timer.
>> Maybe that's it. If he's on

2903
03:42:54,960 --> 03:43:01,359
» um but we we don't know that. So,
>> that's why we hired him.

2904
03:42:59,760 --> 03:43:03,200
» Great. So, that shouldn't be a problem
anymore.

2905
03:43:02,399 --> 03:43:07,279
» Well,
>> weeds and garbage.

2906
03:43:04,560 --> 03:43:11,279
» With more visitors and more transactions
comes more garbage. So maybe we need to

2907
03:43:09,439 --> 03:43:15,600
look at getting more big bellies, other
garbage cans, maybe picking up more

2908
03:43:13,520 --> 03:43:18,960
often, but having garbage spilling out.
And then this morning when I took my

2909
03:43:17,199 --> 03:43:23,680
daughter to school, I had seen pizza
boxes on one of the the the machines or

2910
03:43:21,920 --> 03:43:29,439
uh Big Bellies. And then when I came
back, they were in the street. So it's

2911
03:43:26,000 --> 03:43:32,720
it it's unsightly. It's dirty. I don't
know. I think it should be addressed.

2912
03:43:31,199 --> 03:43:35,199
And I mentioned to all of the people
that complained to me that I would bring

2913
03:43:33,920 --> 03:43:38,640
it to the board to see how we could
address that.

2914
03:43:35,840 --> 03:43:43,040
» I'll bring it up to DPW. Great. Thank
you. Um the ARC, we already talked about

2915
03:43:41,279 --> 03:43:47,120
the memorial. Randy and I had
volunteered to um have a committee with

2916
03:43:45,439 --> 03:43:52,000
that and with that committee we really
hope to have uh members of the

2917
03:43:48,880 --> 03:43:56,080
architectural review committee um
>> parks and wreck the conservancy possibly

2918
03:43:53,760 --> 03:44:01,279
for fundraising um a part of the
fundraising. So that's on an ongoing um

2919
03:43:59,040 --> 03:44:05,120
process. Uh speaking of the conservancy,
the hill climb is coming up on September

2920
03:44:03,120 --> 03:44:10,319
26. Everyone is invited. It's a great
event. Um, super fun. And I wanted to

2921
03:44:08,000 --> 03:44:14,560
also say thank you Sylvia as well as
Mary and Teresa for updating that

2922
03:44:12,080 --> 03:44:17,520
committee list. Um, I know that took a
lot of time and and energy, but I think

2923
03:44:16,080 --> 03:44:20,479
it's a great thing that we now have for
the village and everybody can refer to

2924
03:44:18,960 --> 03:44:23,520
that and everybody's kind of on the same
page and organized. So, I know it took

2925
03:44:22,319 --> 03:44:26,239
you a lot of time. So, I thank you for
all your hard work on that. Much

2926
03:44:25,040 --> 03:44:28,880
appreciated.
>> Oh, and Rita. Okay. Thank you.

2927
03:44:28,479 --> 03:44:36,239
» Thank you.
>> That's it. Concludes my report.

2928
03:44:32,640 --> 03:44:44,160
» Okay. Next is me. Uh, use your hand.
>> I I'm I'm okay. Not a lot. I'm going to

2929
03:44:39,600 --> 03:44:47,680
try to keep this brief. Um DPW report
had some staffing challenges throughout

2930
03:44:45,920 --> 03:44:53,279
August. Um you know, people were on
vacation. Um but they were able to

2931
03:44:51,680 --> 03:44:58,960
stagger
the uh the people the the working. One

2932
03:44:56,720 --> 03:45:01,840
employee was out on medical leave. So
between that and vacations and

2933
03:45:00,239 --> 03:45:05,840
everything, they were able to to stagger
some of the work. So they got a lot of

2934
03:45:03,680 --> 03:45:10,640
the work done. Um, you know, special
thanks to them for the oyster jamboree

2935
03:45:07,840 --> 03:45:14,239
and for the u block party we we talked
about at the last meeting, but they u

2936
03:45:12,720 --> 03:45:19,920
you know, they really rose to the
occasion and they they did a great um a

2937
03:45:17,199 --> 03:45:24,880
great job at the oyster jamboree. Um
storm response, they had um a couple of

2938
03:45:22,880 --> 03:45:30,560
different storms throughout the month of
August. um significant rainfall um

2939
03:45:28,160 --> 03:45:34,560
throughout the month and localized uh
street flooding, you know, in some of

2940
03:45:33,120 --> 03:45:41,040
the areas in the areas that always
flood. Um but there were no major flood

2941
03:45:37,680 --> 03:45:44,880
flooding impacts um you know during the
during those events. Staff remain

2942
03:45:43,199 --> 03:45:48,640
vigilant throughout each and every storm
and work diligently to minimize

2943
03:45:46,479 --> 03:45:54,800
disruptions to residents and to
businesses and motorists as well. um as

2944
03:45:52,880 --> 03:46:01,520
far as the parks report and cleanup and
maintenance and I will make a note to

2945
03:45:58,479 --> 03:46:06,640
speak to DPW about the um the big
bellies. Um

2946
03:46:04,000 --> 03:46:11,840
but you know, parks barn goes through
the village center, Joe Erlandfield, uh

2947
03:46:08,880 --> 03:46:15,760
village hall, rocket ship park, um beach
street, centennial park, east and west

2948
03:46:13,920 --> 03:46:22,239
beach. These are all their on their
daily um maintenance and and cleanups.

2949
03:46:19,359 --> 03:46:27,840
Um, Bakers Alley, Texico Park, Roosevelt
Park, village restrooms at Rocket Park,

2950
03:46:25,520 --> 03:46:32,239
uh, they open and clean them daily. Uh,
the basketball and tennis courts, they

2951
03:46:29,760 --> 03:46:39,040
blow off whatever debris might be on on
those courts. Um, repair, there was a

2952
03:46:35,840 --> 03:46:44,640
repair that to the main water line on at
Harborf Front Park that uh that parks

2953
03:46:41,680 --> 03:46:48,960
was uh was involved in. Um, they used a
bucket truck to chalk village center

2954
03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:53,520
windows to chalk. I'm sorry, not chalk.
Uh, village center windows to stop uh,

2955
03:46:51,040 --> 03:46:58,960
you know, stop leaks going into the
village center.

2956
03:46:55,439 --> 03:47:04,080
Um, they met with park equipment
companies at Rocket Chip Park about the

2957
03:47:01,040 --> 03:47:09,439
flooring issues and possible new splash
uh, splash pad uh, at Rocket Ship Park.

2958
03:47:07,199 --> 03:47:14,399
Um, that was recommended by the Parks
and Recreation um, committee

2959
03:47:12,640 --> 03:47:19,359
couple of meetings a couple of months
ago.

2960
03:47:15,680 --> 03:47:23,920
Um, couple of other, again, parks also
work very well with the Oyster Fest. Um,

2961
03:47:22,239 --> 03:47:27,680
and you know, kudos to them and thanks
for them. Um, also don't forget there

2962
03:47:26,239 --> 03:47:32,880
was movie nights that they're that they
were and village concerts and Friday

2963
03:47:29,680 --> 03:47:35,920
night East Beach Rocks concert. So,
they've been busy. You know, this is

2964
03:47:34,319 --> 03:47:40,800
their their busy one of their busy
seasons. I mean, DPW is always busy.

2965
03:47:37,840 --> 03:47:45,520
Come wintertime, we got the snow and we
got leaves and so they're always busy.

2966
03:47:42,880 --> 03:47:49,279
But um you know this is one of the uh
one of the times between uh vacations

2967
03:47:47,920 --> 03:47:53,359
going on and a couple of people being
out sick that uh you know they really

2968
03:47:51,680 --> 03:48:00,160
rose to the occasion. Everybody did a
did a great job. Um so that's one of the

2969
03:47:57,840 --> 03:48:02,560
reports. Uh I I I don't know if people
saw this.

2970
03:48:00,479 --> 03:48:06,800
» Can I add something or encourage you to
add something?

2971
03:48:03,279 --> 03:48:11,520
» Yes. uh about the um this the company
that's on state contract for some of the

2972
03:48:09,120 --> 03:48:15,359
re repairs to Rocket Ship Park and to
Harborf Park and looking at

2973
03:48:13,600 --> 03:48:17,199
» you know the um the surface in the
Rocket Ship Park.

2974
03:48:16,239 --> 03:48:18,960
» Rocket Ship Park surface
>> turtle

2975
03:48:18,080 --> 03:48:24,080
» turtle park
>> as well as the yeah this um the

2976
03:48:22,000 --> 03:48:25,520
» yeah the turtle what what are we going
to call that? Oh, you talking about

2977
03:48:25,199 --> 03:48:30,479
that?
>> That's what I'm now. I mean, no, but I

2978
03:48:28,319 --> 03:48:34,880
mean, I don't have
>> I don't have that information. It's more

2979
03:48:32,720 --> 03:48:38,640
of request for where we're at as far as
those projects.

2980
03:48:35,680 --> 03:48:42,239
» I know I know Greg met with somebody
>> yesterday, I think it was. Okay. So, um

2981
03:48:40,960 --> 03:48:46,160
» she's a resident.
>> Oh, yes. Well, we have had a

2982
03:48:44,399 --> 03:48:49,680
conversation, right? Yeah. So, that's
good. So met with her and walk through

2983
03:48:48,000 --> 03:49:00,479
the different
>> park as well as basketball tennis courts

2984
03:48:54,479 --> 03:49:06,239
» and the um the turtle splash spray
be able to check things as we go and

2985
03:49:03,040 --> 03:49:08,800
also the the the um the misting station
they they talked about at the park and

2986
03:49:08,160 --> 03:49:12,560
the shades
>> and the Yes. And the sail shades. Well,

2987
03:49:10,319 --> 03:49:17,359
that was all in my report. More
requesting information and seeing where

2988
03:49:14,960 --> 03:49:20,000
we are with quotes from her sometime
>> shortly. He likes it. I think it was

2989
03:49:18,800 --> 03:49:23,120
just yesterday that he met with us.
>> Okay, perfect. So that I can bring that

2990
03:49:21,600 --> 03:49:27,760
back to parks and wreck for the next
meeting. And I also heard that the uh

2991
03:49:25,439 --> 03:49:30,880
the rocking horse spring to re to
replace it or repair it was like

2992
03:49:29,199 --> 03:49:34,720
$10,000. So I don't think that's
happening. Nobody thinks

2993
03:49:32,319 --> 03:49:37,760
» I think we're going to It's not I was
just floored that it was

2994
03:49:36,239 --> 03:49:41,840
» I thought the recommendation was to
remove that not and not to replace that.

2995
03:49:40,080 --> 03:49:44,160
» No, because that's an astronomical
amount in my opinion for what that is.

2996
03:49:43,920 --> 03:49:47,439
Yeah.
>> Okay. Sorry. Yeah.

2997
03:49:45,840 --> 03:49:52,800
» Um I don't know if people saw there was
an article in News Day today about um

2998
03:49:50,319 --> 03:49:56,399
the lip of the capacity issues and
they're calling for repowering of some

2999
03:49:54,239 --> 03:50:00,960
of the older plants. Um so you know
naturally you know

3000
03:49:58,800 --> 03:50:06,160
springs up and says so hey we have an
older plant here and we could use

3001
03:50:02,560 --> 03:50:10,800
repowering. Um so the you know the
article just goes on about you know how

3002
03:50:08,080 --> 03:50:14,720
there is lack of power and one of the
interesting things at the very end of

3003
03:50:13,199 --> 03:50:21,920
the article I thought they were said
that there are 500 megawatt deficiency

3004
03:50:19,040 --> 03:50:26,080
» um throughout the island. So they they
they briefly the article briefly touches

3005
03:50:24,399 --> 03:50:27,760
upon that they that they're looking at
um

3006
03:50:26,399 --> 03:50:35,520
» is that Mark Harrington?
>> Yes. At the Port Jefferson plant. But um

3007
03:50:32,720 --> 03:50:40,399
I I think it's time to take a you know
maybe the board can take a some sort of

3008
03:50:37,680 --> 03:50:45,840
a aggressive stand to completely
you know you know to replace you know

3009
03:50:44,000 --> 03:50:51,120
the power station. I know I know Randy
you're you're on the uh on that

3010
03:50:48,319 --> 03:50:56,479
committee. Um you know just something
that we could do with the new combined

3011
03:50:52,800 --> 03:51:03,680
power base loading power you know would
greatly help the the tax base. Um, and

3012
03:50:59,920 --> 03:51:08,160
if we get it re repowered, yes, we can
go back to the state and say we need to

3013
03:51:06,000 --> 03:51:10,640
raise the assessment and like I said, it
it helps with the tax base. So,

3014
03:51:09,920 --> 03:51:14,960
» yes,
>> um, I I you know, love to work with you

3015
03:51:13,359 --> 03:51:17,199
on it. Maybe we can maybe there's
something that we can bring back to the

3016
03:51:16,160 --> 03:51:21,439
board and you know,
>> that would be great. I would I would

3017
03:51:18,800 --> 03:51:25,439
like to do that, too. I was also um
thinking of getting in touch with

3018
03:51:22,960 --> 03:51:31,359
Rebecca Cassay just to see what she
could do statewise, you know, as far as

3019
03:51:28,160 --> 03:51:34,800
um even just doing an assessment of the
plant maybe statewide. I I don't know. I

3020
03:51:33,520 --> 03:51:38,239
mean, there's just some things I was
thinking about. Um so, I don't know.

3021
03:51:36,239 --> 03:51:40,160
Maybe we can brainstorm together.
>> Sure.

3022
03:51:38,720 --> 03:51:43,120
» Yeah. So, it was an article that like
said it was it was an electronic

3023
03:51:42,080 --> 03:51:46,000
» Franco has something to say.
>> It was an electronic article. So, I

3024
03:51:45,040 --> 03:51:50,080
don't know if it's going to be in the
paper tomorrow or or what, but I can

3025
03:51:48,720 --> 03:51:52,720
» He's going to be challenged.
>> Thank you.

3026
03:51:50,880 --> 03:51:57,040
» We'll we'll we'll work it out together.
>> All right. So, so the mayor and I um

3027
03:51:54,880 --> 03:52:01,600
attended the um
>> and I love all your ideas, Bob, but we

3028
03:51:58,960 --> 03:52:05,120
attended uh the uh budget and finance
meeting and we had a presentation by uh

3029
03:52:03,520 --> 03:52:08,080
Tom Burolof,
>> the power the power plant working group

3030
03:52:06,720 --> 03:52:10,560
and the budget and finance committee
meetings were combined.

3031
03:52:09,680 --> 03:52:14,960
» Thank you, mayor. We're going to do this
together. So um

3032
03:52:13,120 --> 03:52:18,080
» and Trusty Dwick couldn't be there, so
Trusty Franco jumped in.

3033
03:52:16,239 --> 03:52:22,880
» So um
there is a a transmission line coming

3034
03:52:20,960 --> 03:52:24,000
down from upstate and it's called
Propel.

3035
03:52:23,600 --> 03:52:29,199
» Yep.
>> Uh we have two lines right now. I think

3036
03:52:26,000 --> 03:52:33,760
it's 49 and 50 um that are that are
feeding down here. But this line is

3037
03:52:31,279 --> 03:52:39,840
going to bring uh power from upstate New
York down here. Um so what and I'm

3038
03:52:38,319 --> 03:52:43,120
mayor, correct me if I'm wrong on any of
this. Um

3039
03:52:41,920 --> 03:52:46,720
» I don't know if I can
>> I was going to say I saw I saw it

3040
03:52:45,359 --> 03:52:49,680
previously and it's a lot of
information. I believe the year was like

3041
03:52:48,319 --> 03:52:52,319
2030, right?
>> So So we have a five I think we have a

3042
03:52:51,600 --> 03:52:56,479
they gave us
>> potentially

3043
03:52:53,120 --> 03:53:01,120
» potentially a five-year window where we
they need the plant

3044
03:52:58,880 --> 03:53:08,000
and there's a lot this is complex like
and it's very detailed. Um so after that

3045
03:53:05,359 --> 03:53:12,800
five-year period mayor correct me if I'm
wrong prepare

3046
03:53:10,880 --> 03:53:17,359
nothing but love for you, mayor. See,
Lauren, you and I are going to be

3047
03:53:13,840 --> 03:53:21,040
buddies in the end. Um, so when Propel
gets here in 5 years, that's the I think

3048
03:53:19,040 --> 03:53:25,040
that's the projected plan.
>> The

3049
03:53:22,720 --> 03:53:29,840
potential for the power plant to be
needed is reduced.

3050
03:53:28,640 --> 03:53:32,080
» Even Lipa,
>> even Lipa, yeah,

3051
03:53:31,040 --> 03:53:36,640
» mayor's right about that
>> because Propel is separate from Lipa.

3052
03:53:33,920 --> 03:53:39,600
» Well, the article almost makes Lipa
>> Does Mark right about that? article

3053
03:53:37,920 --> 03:53:43,600
talks about that and it says that okay
but the 500 again with the 500 megawatt

3054
03:53:42,479 --> 03:53:48,160
deficiency
>> but they it's transmission

3055
03:53:46,080 --> 03:53:49,920
so and and what was talked about
>> bringing it here is fine but it's got to

3056
03:53:49,600 --> 03:53:54,640
be
>> well but but what was talked about is

3057
03:53:52,319 --> 03:53:58,800
and I don't I I'm only paraphrasing the
numbers let's say electricity down here

3058
03:53:56,960 --> 03:54:02,960
is $125
I don't know kilowatt whatever it is

3059
03:54:00,720 --> 03:54:06,080
it's like $40 or $50 a kilowatt if it's
pushed if it comes from upstate New York

3060
03:54:04,880 --> 03:54:12,880
down here
>> megawatt megawatt Thank you, Stephen.

3061
03:54:08,560 --> 03:54:18,399
Megawatt. So, um, and the problem with
our plant is we're not tied into

3062
03:54:14,640 --> 03:54:24,000
Connecticut. Um, so we there's a lot of
concerns and what the pres presenter

3063
03:54:21,680 --> 03:54:28,000
wanted to uh present to the power plant
working group and the budget committee

3064
03:54:25,279 --> 03:54:31,680
was um
start preparing

3065
03:54:30,239 --> 03:54:36,560
for something that might be
theoretically inevitable. Right. So we

3066
03:54:33,840 --> 03:54:39,600
and and it was it was and and I have to
say the budget and finance committee

3067
03:54:37,840 --> 03:54:43,120
asked some hard questions about you know
what do you know what are we preparing

3068
03:54:41,439 --> 03:54:50,800
for like what what kind of what are we
looking at and um

3069
03:54:47,279 --> 03:54:54,560
so that's where we are uh as far as that
presentation. So, but there are some

3070
03:54:53,040 --> 03:54:59,600
concerning
um elements

3071
03:54:57,359 --> 03:55:04,960
or factors that make it look like the
plant mayor, correct me if I'm wrong,

3072
03:55:00,960 --> 03:55:07,279
does might not be viable
in the long term.

3073
03:55:06,080 --> 03:55:12,800
» Well, if you're talking with Tom, I
mean, Tom Peteroff is an expert. He

3074
03:55:10,319 --> 03:55:17,120
worked very closely with the village and
keeping Kathan, you know, at bay. So,

3075
03:55:16,239 --> 03:55:21,920
» I mean, he
>> he's very knowledgeable on that. Uh,

3076
03:55:19,040 --> 03:55:25,359
» one of the recommendations is to start
reaching out to and meeting with some of

3077
03:55:23,920 --> 03:55:31,680
the leadership at National Grid,
National Grid Ventures

3078
03:55:27,359 --> 03:55:37,680
» and um and potentially Lipa, but
National Grid Odin's that plant and it's

3079
03:55:34,080 --> 03:55:43,840
up to them to decide how they want to if
if Lipa, you know,

3080
03:55:41,279 --> 03:55:46,239
becomes obsolete like LIPA is a monopoly
right now. Their monopoly is going away.

3081
03:55:45,840 --> 03:55:51,920
» Yeah.
>> Because of Propel.

3082
03:55:47,439 --> 03:55:56,479
» Yep. So um so we have some
deep thinking to do in strategic

3083
03:55:53,920 --> 03:56:01,680
thinking. We need, it was also advised
that we bring in an actual consultant

3084
03:55:58,800 --> 03:56:05,600
like the London um what do you call it
of economics those those people that

3085
03:56:03,680 --> 03:56:09,920
came in and actually did the report for
for the village back in 2015 or

3086
03:56:08,319 --> 03:56:16,640
something like that like to and they're
still around to reinvest in in some uh

3087
03:56:14,080 --> 03:56:21,600
true consultation about what our options
>> almost like lobbying for us and kind of

3088
03:56:18,880 --> 03:56:26,880
giving us a a playbook on what we should
do. And um so and and Lauren's right,

3089
03:56:25,520 --> 03:56:29,520
you know. Um
>> what

3090
03:56:28,399 --> 03:56:32,880
» can you say that again?
>> Lauren is right.

3091
03:56:31,359 --> 03:56:38,800
» Next is mayor's right.
>> Mayor is right. Mayor Lauren is right.

3092
03:56:37,279 --> 03:56:41,920
» Um but I'm not right. I mean it's what
we learned at the meeting. You know,

3093
03:56:40,479 --> 03:56:49,040
» you know, your presentation was correct
and and it's it's you know, it's

3094
03:56:45,279 --> 03:56:52,319
this this London um how would what would
you call it, Lauren? They are

3095
03:56:50,560 --> 03:56:56,160
» there they are. They're a lob they're a
lobbying consulting group with expertise

3096
03:56:54,560 --> 03:57:01,120
in
>> power and Tom said that he would uh

3097
03:56:59,680 --> 03:57:05,359
» jolof. Yeah.
>> So he said that he would you know work

3098
03:57:02,800 --> 03:57:08,880
with us on this which is you know that's
that's a home run for for the for us.

3099
03:57:07,279 --> 03:57:13,359
» Yeah. So with Bruce coming to the
finance committee if the board approves

3100
03:57:11,520 --> 03:57:15,760
Tom would consult.
>> That'd be great.

3101
03:57:14,080 --> 03:57:18,319
» Yeah.
>> That's that's where that's

3102
03:57:16,960 --> 03:57:20,479
» so thanks for bringing that up Bob. That
was

3103
03:57:19,199 --> 03:57:24,160
» Yeah. So it's an interesting art. So, if
you can, I found it online. I don't know

3104
03:57:22,319 --> 03:57:28,880
if it'll be in the paper tomorrow, but I
have copies, so I can distribute copies

3105
03:57:26,160 --> 03:57:33,040
of it as well to everyone.
Um, and the last thing I want to bring

3106
03:57:30,880 --> 03:57:37,920
up is we had talked at the last meeting
about the um the board of governors and

3107
03:57:35,600 --> 03:57:46,479
the edits that I had to the board of
governor's um um

3108
03:57:41,840 --> 03:57:54,560
» bylaws. Thank you. Um, and most of them,
most of my edits were added into the um,

3109
03:57:50,800 --> 03:57:58,560
bylaws that were approved on June 26, I
think the date was. Uh, you know, a

3110
03:57:56,239 --> 03:58:01,760
couple of things. Um,
the idea was the same. They just changed

3111
03:58:00,239 --> 03:58:10,080
the wording around, which I had no
problem with. Um and you know the one

3112
03:58:06,800 --> 03:58:13,520
couple of glaring things I had suggested
that they emit

3113
03:58:12,000 --> 03:58:18,479
article
three. So they did that but then they in

3114
03:58:16,479 --> 03:58:22,960
the current bylaws it goes from article
two to article 4. So they don't have an

3115
03:58:20,399 --> 03:58:28,359
article three. I don't know if it's a
that's a big deal or not but I

3116
03:58:24,640 --> 03:58:28,359
» think we can make one up.

3117
03:58:28,640 --> 03:58:37,040
And um the only
other things that

3118
03:58:34,720 --> 03:58:42,800
were not or one other thing that was not
included in my edit or my suggestion was

3119
03:58:39,920 --> 03:58:48,960
that the president and vice president be
um

3120
03:58:44,479 --> 03:58:53,279
residents and that was not put into the
uh to the bylaws. Everything else was it

3121
03:58:51,359 --> 03:58:58,000
does say in the by in the current bylaws
that were approved that the majority of

3122
03:58:55,680 --> 03:59:03,279
the um of the board of governors have to
be village residents. Um

3123
03:59:01,840 --> 03:59:08,640
so I just wanted to get back to the
board on that. You know we we had talked

3124
03:59:04,960 --> 03:59:12,800
about it and um you know
and the oh I had a question for actually

3125
03:59:11,199 --> 03:59:17,760
for Dave. I had suggested that they put
in some sort of a uh indemnification. I

3126
03:59:15,600 --> 03:59:22,319
don't would that be
>> indemn who would they indemnify

3127
03:59:19,520 --> 03:59:25,840
» um themselves um the the board of
governors now

3128
03:59:24,399 --> 03:59:32,720
would that be necessary I don't
>> I'm not sure how that would work so the

3129
03:59:28,000 --> 03:59:36,640
board of governifies itself from what
could you ordemnify yourself you

3130
03:59:34,319 --> 03:59:39,840
demotential liability where the
liability where is their liability

3131
03:59:39,439 --> 03:59:42,160
» make decision
>> if they make a if they make a decision

3132
03:59:41,760 --> 03:59:47,680
at
>> it's advisory it is for

3133
03:59:43,840 --> 03:59:51,279
» okay that's Yeah. So,
>> yeah, that was my that was my other

3134
03:59:49,439 --> 03:59:55,520
suggestion that that they and they did
not put that in, but they figured that

3135
03:59:52,960 --> 04:00:00,880
would be illegal. So, since they're
advisory, then we wouldn't need a

3136
03:59:58,239 --> 04:00:06,080
indemnification. I I would also think
that if they're as acting in a capacity

3137
04:00:03,840 --> 04:00:11,920
by direction of this board or the mayor
that they have qualified indemnity or

3138
04:00:09,680 --> 04:00:16,960
some type of immunity as long as they're
acting in their professional capacity or

3139
04:00:14,720 --> 04:00:20,800
their volunteer capacity on behalf of
the village.

3140
04:00:18,720 --> 04:00:25,040
» And the other thing that
>> I said a great thing and I didn't turn

3141
04:00:22,319 --> 04:00:27,680
my mic.
>> We heard you Dave. That's all that

3142
04:00:26,319 --> 04:00:32,479
matters. M
>> um they they talk about and you know la

3143
04:00:30,080 --> 04:00:38,640
last part they talk dissolution if the
if it's you know dissolved that the

3144
04:00:35,600 --> 04:00:41,920
remaining authority and assets would be
turned over to the village which it

3145
04:00:40,239 --> 04:00:47,359
should be but I don't know what assets
the board of governors would have. So I

3146
04:00:44,399 --> 04:00:51,920
» it seems abs
irrelevant obsolete

3147
04:00:49,520 --> 04:00:54,640
» and therefore not necessary.
>> There's no assets within that

3148
04:00:53,279 --> 04:00:59,040
organization.
We don't know that they could be taking

3149
04:00:56,560 --> 04:01:04,720
money for a to buy coffee for their
meetings. I don't know.

3150
04:01:01,600 --> 04:01:06,000
» It's in there for a reason.
>> Can't hurt.

3151
04:01:05,520 --> 04:01:06,880
» Can't hurt.
>> Okay.

3152
04:01:06,479 --> 04:01:11,199
» Mhm.
>> No one gets to walk away. Kitty

3153
04:01:09,040 --> 04:01:14,800
» comes back to us.
>> So membership fees for that.

3154
04:01:12,800 --> 04:01:18,479
» Do you think we should address the
residents as the president and and vice

3155
04:01:16,960 --> 04:01:24,080
president? I mean that was one of my
edits that I one of my suggestion that I

3156
04:01:20,720 --> 04:01:30,160
had said that um you know
>> so um how does the board feel about that

3157
04:01:28,000 --> 04:01:32,560
» that it should be a a resident should be
the president and the vice president of

3158
04:01:31,680 --> 04:01:39,520
the board of governors
>> I don't know if it's necessar necessaril

3159
04:01:35,359 --> 04:01:46,960
necessary for the vice president but I
would say for the president only because

3160
04:01:42,399 --> 04:01:53,840
they have a um seat right on for the CCM
MAC which is a village

3161
04:01:49,920 --> 04:01:56,160
» advisory. So that would be where I would
see

3162
04:01:55,840 --> 04:01:59,439
» uh
>> well the idea of the vice president was

3163
04:01:57,760 --> 04:02:01,439
should the president step down then the
vice president would take over. So

3164
04:02:00,479 --> 04:02:04,000
» that's what I was just going to say.
>> Okay. Sorry.

3165
04:02:02,160 --> 04:02:04,800
» So yeah I believe it would have to be
both.

3166
04:02:04,399 --> 04:02:07,760
» Okay.
>> Yeah.

3167
04:02:06,080 --> 04:02:11,040
» Is that in the bylaws that the vice
president takes the president's role?

3168
04:02:09,199 --> 04:02:15,359
» Actually it does that is not in the
bylaws. No. No,

3169
04:02:13,439 --> 04:02:18,880
» I that that was my thinking when I when
I put it in, but I

3170
04:02:16,880 --> 04:02:24,239
» I thought I cuz I read through it and I
thought I saw that if um there was any

3171
04:02:21,520 --> 04:02:29,439
sort of a vacated seat, whether it was
the president or the vice president or

3172
04:02:25,920 --> 04:02:33,760
secretary or I mean whatever that I
think the board would then just vote to

3173
04:02:31,760 --> 04:02:38,960
reappoint somebody. I don't know if
necessarily

3174
04:02:36,319 --> 04:02:43,760
» one takes position of the other. I don't
I mean I I read it I wasn't reading

3175
04:02:41,760 --> 04:02:48,160
» I read it a long time ago. Does it give
the um duties of the officers in the

3176
04:02:47,120 --> 04:02:50,880
bylaws? Mhm.
>> So then it would probably say, "Oh,

3177
04:02:50,000 --> 04:02:56,040
duties of the treasur."
>> Yeah.

3178
04:02:51,279 --> 04:02:56,040
» Would it say vice president's duties,

3179
04:02:57,680 --> 04:03:04,560
» duties of the vice president? Uh in the
absence of the president, preside over

3180
04:03:02,720 --> 04:03:07,760
the meetings, assume all duties of the
uh assume all duties of the president in

3181
04:03:06,319 --> 04:03:09,279
the event that the president is unable
to serve.

3182
04:03:08,399 --> 04:03:12,160
» All right. Well, there you go.
>> Yeah.

3183
04:03:11,199 --> 04:03:16,520
» Yes, it does.
>> So, do we want to vote on that?

3184
04:03:16,560 --> 04:03:22,640
Well, I know it comes down to
do we have the authority to do Well, not

3185
04:03:21,359 --> 04:03:30,800
the authority. Thank you.
>> All right. So, let's vote on it.

3186
04:03:24,720 --> 04:03:37,120
» I still think you're taking some um
some of the what the membership wants

3187
04:03:34,000 --> 04:03:43,279
away from the membership for reasons
that you don't understand. like it that

3188
04:03:40,640 --> 04:03:49,840
maybe the membership wants that decision
for reasons you don't understand.

3189
04:03:45,920 --> 04:03:54,640
So why not ask the members what the
members want? Not the members of the

3190
04:03:51,920 --> 04:04:02,640
board of governors but the members of
the golf course. See what they want.

3191
04:03:56,800 --> 04:04:09,040
It's it is a local organization that
makes their referrals through the CCMAC

3192
04:04:05,439 --> 04:04:12,800
which is a majority of u village
residents. Not even a majority, it's

3193
04:04:10,800 --> 04:04:22,080
like a super super duper majority of
village residents. So um by code and the

3194
04:04:18,560 --> 04:04:24,960
board of governors is not
the board of governor's makeup is not in

3195
04:04:23,920 --> 04:04:30,319
the code of the village of Port
Jefferson. So I will still argue and I

3196
04:04:27,760 --> 04:04:34,800
am arguing with our attorney right now
that there is no legislative equivalency

3197
04:04:32,720 --> 04:04:38,560
to dictate that by the board of
trustees.

3198
04:04:36,239 --> 04:04:42,399
» So how do you suggest we hear from the
membership as to what they want to see

3199
04:04:40,399 --> 04:04:45,680
in the bylaws?
>> Talk to them.

3200
04:04:43,120 --> 04:04:50,080
» I did everyone that I've spoken to
honestly said that the board of

3201
04:04:47,199 --> 04:04:56,239
governors should be dissolved.
That was a good dozen

3202
04:04:52,880 --> 04:04:59,680
members of the club for various reasons.
So, I didn't even get to the ins and

3203
04:04:58,080 --> 04:05:03,040
outs of the bylaws.
>> Wow.

3204
04:05:00,479 --> 04:05:07,120
» Yeah. I thought it was
>> I thought it was

3205
04:05:04,479 --> 04:05:10,160
» I talked to 200 members who are very
happy with the board of governors. So,

3206
04:05:08,479 --> 04:05:14,960
» so that's what we need. How do we How do
we talk to 200?

3207
04:05:12,479 --> 04:05:18,960
» Come to the Come to the um annual
gathering

3208
04:05:16,640 --> 04:05:21,840
» and see what they say. I I would think
very scientific think the cleanest

3209
04:05:20,239 --> 04:05:28,479
solution
>> the cleanest solution is to modify the

3210
04:05:25,279 --> 04:05:33,359
bylaws that that it's a I don't that I
don't think the uh the members and by

3211
04:05:31,120 --> 04:05:37,199
the way I know quite a few members
myself uh I don't think anybody's going

3212
04:05:35,279 --> 04:05:40,319
to be upset if a resident is the
president and the vice president at the

3213
04:05:38,640 --> 04:05:46,720
golf course. So I think what we should
just do is modify it. Um uh that's why

3214
04:05:44,960 --> 04:05:50,640
we made the modification to have a
majority of residents on the board.

3215
04:05:48,479 --> 04:05:54,479
There was that was the theme, you know,
community involvement, community

3216
04:05:52,239 --> 04:05:59,760
running, you know, or making
suggestions. Um so I think the cleanest

3217
04:05:57,359 --> 04:06:06,080
way of doing it is and I have spoken to
quite a few uh members at the golf

3218
04:06:02,239 --> 04:06:11,120
course staff and um I think this might
be a way to an easy solution um and a

3219
04:06:09,680 --> 04:06:14,720
clean solution just to move this
progress forward. We've been talking

3220
04:06:12,399 --> 04:06:19,120
about bylaws in the board of governors
since before I ran for election. So this

3221
04:06:16,960 --> 04:06:21,359
would be a nice put a bow on it. We're
done with it. We don't have to discuss

3222
04:06:20,239 --> 04:06:23,279
it anymore.
>> March 2026.

3223
04:06:22,479 --> 04:06:27,760
» That that that's
>> so the way that the president of the

3224
04:06:25,920 --> 04:06:32,720
board of governors
>> was appointed was through an election

3225
04:06:30,720 --> 04:06:37,439
» with no bylaws.
>> But it was an election of that person.

3226
04:06:34,880 --> 04:06:41,120
» Again, we've discussed this mayor. Um
and we did it backwards. you know, they

3227
04:06:39,040 --> 04:06:45,040
there should have been bylaws in place
approved by this board, then an election

3228
04:06:42,640 --> 04:06:49,600
held and but and they set the terms for
their own elections. They they've been

3229
04:06:46,399 --> 04:06:54,800
in office longer than we have. So again,
I would say the cleanest way of doing

3230
04:06:51,439 --> 04:06:57,040
this is to just it's it's nice to have
residence on it.

3231
04:06:56,080 --> 04:07:00,080
» I disagree, but
>> the bylaws the bylaws say that they

3232
04:06:58,640 --> 04:07:03,520
can't
>> I think they can only serve two

3233
04:07:01,520 --> 04:07:06,399
consecutive terms.
>> Understood.

3234
04:07:04,239 --> 04:07:10,319
» And the terms are three years. I I think
but I think it should be residents

3235
04:07:08,720 --> 04:07:14,479
controlling the golf course and the
board of governor's recommendations to

3236
04:07:12,319 --> 04:07:17,600
this board and non-residents can be on
the board. It's not like they can't be

3237
04:07:15,600 --> 04:07:20,720
there. I just think that those two
positions should be held by residents.

3238
04:07:18,960 --> 04:07:24,640
» I think you're taking the authority away
from the people who are paying them

3239
04:07:22,160 --> 04:07:26,479
money to pay to play golf there and to
be a member there

3240
04:07:25,359 --> 04:07:31,359
» to make recommendations.
>> I think you're taking the authority away

3241
04:07:28,399 --> 04:07:35,279
from the people who are actual members.
>> So if that's what you want to do.

3242
04:07:33,520 --> 04:07:39,359
» Yes. And and if you think you have a
majority here, then there's no reason to

3243
04:07:38,640 --> 04:07:43,920
discuss a further
>> further. The board of governors doesn't

3244
04:07:41,040 --> 04:07:46,080
appear on this list. Speaking I was
looking for terms when you mentioned

3245
04:07:45,359 --> 04:07:48,479
that, but it's not
>> because they're elected.

3246
04:07:47,520 --> 04:07:52,239
» They're elected.
>> All of the members are elected.

3247
04:07:50,640 --> 04:07:54,880
» By the membership,
>> that's great. How it's done is again

3248
04:07:54,479 --> 04:07:57,840
part of
>> they're nominated. It's in it's in the

3249
04:07:57,359 --> 04:08:01,600
board of
>> Shouldn't that be added to this list?

3250
04:07:59,600 --> 04:08:04,960
Just so we know who the members are.
Silia, also the school district working

3251
04:08:03,199 --> 04:08:07,840
group is not on here either.
>> Do you need me to get you that

3252
04:08:07,120 --> 04:08:10,800
information?
>> Yes. And I would appreciate the schedule

3253
04:08:09,520 --> 04:08:12,560
too that I had asked for.
>> You got it. No problem. I'll take care

3254
04:08:11,920 --> 04:08:15,279
of that for you.
>> Thank you.

3255
04:08:12,880 --> 04:08:19,600
» I was starting to look um and you may
know without looking. Um I remember

3256
04:08:17,920 --> 04:08:24,720
there was an issue with having a junior
member on the board of governors. Was

3257
04:08:21,920 --> 04:08:26,560
that put in the this last iteration of
the bylaw?

3258
04:08:25,279 --> 04:08:32,319
» No, that was taken out. It was taken
out. Okay.

3259
04:08:28,080 --> 04:08:34,720
» All right. So, uh motion to um Can I
please

3260
04:08:33,199 --> 04:08:38,080
» turn around? Have we ever been able to
stop you?

3261
04:08:35,279 --> 04:08:44,399
» I I think I I think the document's
incomplete in that if if the it should a

3262
04:08:42,239 --> 04:08:49,760
document that this board's voting on as
long as I'm your counsel should not go

3263
04:08:46,319 --> 04:08:52,080
from two to four without a three.
>> So

3264
04:08:50,160 --> 04:08:55,359
» at a minimum I think if that's if that
well the last thing we heard I I didn't

3265
04:08:54,080 --> 04:08:59,279
know that that decision had been made
that yes, we do have the authority to

3266
04:08:57,359 --> 04:09:03,040
vote on the bylaw. Now that I know that,
I would like to take a deeper dive into

3267
04:09:01,120 --> 04:09:07,040
what's there and maybe make some further
suggestions like during like the mayor

3268
04:09:05,040 --> 04:09:11,760
said, have the discussions with
membership if you have a suggestion on

3269
04:09:08,880 --> 04:09:16,000
how we can do that and maybe we have a
public hearing or or a public

3270
04:09:14,479 --> 04:09:19,040
» not necessarily a public hearing, but
you could certainly invite whomever you

3271
04:09:18,000 --> 04:09:21,359
want to give
>> we notify it and give us information and

3272
04:09:21,040 --> 04:09:24,399
we
>> I think one time when we were looking

3273
04:09:22,640 --> 04:09:28,160
for information from members, we put out
some type of survey

3274
04:09:26,160 --> 04:09:31,040
» to the members. I don't there's um
there's a

3275
04:09:28,960 --> 04:09:36,960
» number of ways to skin that guy.
>> There's an annual meeting of the women's

3276
04:09:35,120 --> 04:09:39,600
» Harbor Hills Tuesday tournament group
HHTG

3277
04:09:38,720 --> 04:09:43,199
in October.
>> Say that one, Dave.

3278
04:09:40,960 --> 04:09:48,239
» That would that would be a Mac.
>> No, no, he's not he's not allowed to say

3279
04:09:45,120 --> 04:09:53,040
that. He's not allowed to say that. Um
that would be a good place to go and and

3280
04:09:50,399 --> 04:09:59,040
uh just canvas the the the membership.
And there's that's pretty much 5050. I

3281
04:09:55,760 --> 04:10:01,600
would prefer maybe to call here is so we
all kind of hear the same.

3282
04:10:00,239 --> 04:10:03,680
» I think you go where they are.
>> I disagree.

3283
04:10:02,080 --> 04:10:07,439
» You go you go to where they are. And if
you want to do a survey with them, well,

3284
04:10:05,840 --> 04:10:09,279
you're not going to get a real
>> I disagree. Just

3285
04:10:08,319 --> 04:10:11,920
» you're not going to get people to show
up. Look,

3286
04:10:10,080 --> 04:10:15,279
» they can write, "Well, they didn't know
they were here to talk about the board

3287
04:10:13,120 --> 04:10:17,680
of governors and we have some
>> anyway

3288
04:10:16,800 --> 04:10:23,040
um
>> if we promote it and say we are working

3289
04:10:20,239 --> 04:10:27,439
on this document and we would love to
hear from the members and promote it at

3290
04:10:24,960 --> 04:10:31,040
the country club and
>> that way we can all hear it real time."

3291
04:10:29,279 --> 04:10:36,399
I mean, it's one thing to hear it or to
say on the street or at a soccer club,

3292
04:10:34,399 --> 04:10:40,560
you know, fundraiser when I'm talking to
members and hearing their opinion. I I

3293
04:10:39,199 --> 04:10:44,000
think we all should hear it from them
directly versus, "Hey, Lauren, I spoke

3294
04:10:42,319 --> 04:10:46,479
to so and so and this is their opinion."
And you're like, "Well, no, I spoke to

3295
04:10:45,279 --> 04:10:50,560
» You could put it in writing. You could
put a survey like Dave said, you know,

3296
04:10:48,479 --> 04:10:54,800
and and ask them if they
>> I'm open to suggestions,

3297
04:10:51,439 --> 04:10:59,439
» but are we are we asking to hear from
members that are also residents? I mean,

3298
04:10:56,880 --> 04:11:02,880
we're because I mean, that's where it
could get a little

3299
04:11:00,880 --> 04:11:07,199
» convoluted there. If you have
non-residents are going to say, "Oh, we

3300
04:11:04,880 --> 04:11:11,199
don't care if the president is good."
Again, I I think um the cleanest way and

3301
04:11:09,920 --> 04:11:12,080
I understand Dave, there's a three
missing.

3302
04:11:11,840 --> 04:11:13,439
» Yeah,
>> I got it.

3303
04:11:12,720 --> 04:11:19,120
» Article three.
>> I I still think that we should make the

3304
04:11:15,840 --> 04:11:22,880
make the correction and make this
>> residents as the president and the vice

3305
04:11:20,720 --> 04:11:26,640
president and we'll make the correction
to three as we go along. But let's at

3306
04:11:24,800 --> 04:11:29,600
least fix that one component of it
before, you know, let's we've been

3307
04:11:28,239 --> 04:11:33,040
talking about the board of governors.
People have been coming here complaining

3308
04:11:31,359 --> 04:11:39,680
about the non-residents on the board of
governors for 2 years plus when they

3309
04:11:37,199 --> 04:11:43,920
wanted to eliminate junior members. All
this has been going on for two years. We

3310
04:11:41,520 --> 04:11:49,520
finally have an opportunity now. Thank
you, Attorney Moran, for uh clarifying

3311
04:11:46,239 --> 04:11:52,800
that we can vote this. Let's vote. Let's
make this one correction. We can fix

3312
04:11:51,279 --> 04:11:54,720
everything else along the way. Let's
make

3313
04:11:53,199 --> 04:11:59,040
» My issue is My issue with your
statement, Trusty Franco, is that it's

3314
04:11:57,120 --> 04:12:04,800
not your document to correct. that your
document to approve. So

3315
04:12:02,560 --> 04:12:08,880
if either you approve the the if you're
going to vote either you approve the

3316
04:12:06,399 --> 04:12:10,880
document before you or you don't.
>> So we can't make a correction to that

3317
04:12:10,479 --> 04:12:13,760
document.
>> You could suggest corrections and

3318
04:12:12,319 --> 04:12:18,080
hopefully they take them to account when
you adopt them. But I it's you're not

3319
04:12:16,239 --> 04:12:21,520
the promagator or the author of that
document. I didn't write it. We didn't

3320
04:12:20,239 --> 04:12:25,760
have obviously this board didn't have
any say in it. We don't

3321
04:12:23,359 --> 04:12:32,239
» Well, no, we did have say in it. We all
looked at that document. Bob, we we

3322
04:12:29,359 --> 04:12:36,560
Trusty Hill, myself and Bob all made
corrections to the document and

3323
04:12:34,399 --> 04:12:42,239
» and I respected that process and that's
the product of those meetings. Um I it's

3324
04:12:40,239 --> 04:12:46,399
not the way I would do it. Either either
we accept the document that that

3325
04:12:43,760 --> 04:12:49,600
document is before you. That's the
document that you either vote on or not.

3326
04:12:47,840 --> 04:12:52,239
And as your counsel I say that docu that
document is incomplete,

3327
04:12:51,040 --> 04:12:56,239
» right?
>> That's my advice. Whatever you guys do

3328
04:12:54,000 --> 04:12:59,680
with that advice, I understand because
I've been here too and I heard the

3329
04:12:57,520 --> 04:13:04,479
iterations and I I worked I worked with
Stan way before her on on on some

3330
04:13:02,560 --> 04:13:08,800
bylaws, you know, three or four years
ago.

3331
04:13:05,520 --> 04:13:13,040
» Um, but that's that's my advice. I mean,
>> and this this whole debate between, you

3332
04:13:11,520 --> 04:13:18,960
know, who's more important, residents,
non-residents,

3333
04:13:14,720 --> 04:13:25,680
um, is is like, uh, a tale as old as
time. Because you go back to articles

3334
04:13:22,640 --> 04:13:34,319
from 1979,
80, 81, 82, 83, and all the way to 2000.

3335
04:13:30,479 --> 04:13:39,760
The debate doesn't change. It's who's
the non-residents say we make this golf

3336
04:13:37,120 --> 04:13:46,640
course run because our fees are so much
higher than yours. How dare you raise

3337
04:13:42,640 --> 04:13:50,720
our fees by 40%. They need to go back. I
just read an article about John Steiner

3338
04:13:48,479 --> 04:13:55,760
saying the res the non-resident rates
are too high. You need to decrease them

3339
04:13:53,439 --> 04:13:58,880
and John who works there now, right? You
know John Steiner, right?

3340
04:13:57,680 --> 04:14:02,159
» Or no.
>> Yes.

3341
04:13:59,439 --> 04:14:06,479
» Okay. So, yeah. So, it just and he was a
resident and he was a trustee at the

3342
04:14:04,080 --> 04:14:12,000
time. So
we can continue to argue and I like I

3343
04:14:09,359 --> 04:14:17,600
think the board of governors
without prejudice or without concern or

3344
04:14:14,880 --> 04:14:23,760
I think they are doing the right thing
and care about the golf course and the

3345
04:14:21,040 --> 04:14:25,120
way the golf course conditions are um
maintained.

3346
04:14:24,399 --> 04:14:30,880
» I mean
>> and I just I'm just like

3347
04:14:27,600 --> 04:14:35,359
» just hearing what I'm hearing here and
they're elected by the they elect each

3348
04:14:32,640 --> 04:14:41,120
other. Isn't there remedy? If they don't
like something, it's to run for the

3349
04:14:39,279 --> 04:14:42,319
board the following year. Like,
>> yeah,

3350
04:14:41,439 --> 04:14:47,199
» I don't know.
>> Every year that the president is

3351
04:14:44,000 --> 04:14:50,319
reelected or not, is up for re-election.
>> So, mayor,

3352
04:14:48,000 --> 04:14:54,640
» now there are three seats open and
they're all non-residents.

3353
04:14:51,760 --> 04:14:56,000
» And if the board wants to codify it,
codify it.

3354
04:14:55,680 --> 04:14:58,159
» But,
>> and if you don't want to codify it,

3355
04:14:57,199 --> 04:15:01,680
which I wouldn't recommend.
>> I wouldn't. Yeah. Not Not with that.

3356
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:06,640
» You know, it's easy. You know, you're
either in or you're out. Well, are are

3357
04:15:03,840 --> 04:15:14,159
you saying if we um
if we vote to codify these bylaws with

3358
04:15:10,239 --> 04:15:18,479
the uh uh amendment to it that the
president and non and vice president

3359
04:15:16,000 --> 04:15:20,880
have to be residents
that could we could do that today?

3360
04:15:20,159 --> 04:15:23,840
» No, he's saying
>> when I meant cottify it, I mean put it

3361
04:15:22,560 --> 04:15:28,080
in a code.
>> I meant codify it.

3362
04:15:25,520 --> 04:15:32,800
» I don't Well, that's what that's my
point. This this is uh this is a

3363
04:15:30,560 --> 04:15:38,080
subsection as a creation of something
that's in the code already. So there's

3364
04:15:35,279 --> 04:15:43,040
like three levels of
hierarchy chain of command all

3365
04:15:42,080 --> 04:15:45,120
» do you want to speak?
>> You want

3366
04:15:43,600 --> 04:15:48,479
» after you're done I'm just I'm just
raise my hand because I want to be next.

3367
04:15:46,720 --> 04:15:53,279
» Um
so in my in my opinion yes you guys have

3368
04:15:51,120 --> 04:15:58,319
a saying you have the right
>> to

3369
04:15:55,520 --> 04:16:01,840
participate in the bylaw process.
Um,

3370
04:15:59,840 --> 04:16:07,120
but it's
from what I'm hearing is if there if

3371
04:16:04,000 --> 04:16:11,359
they govern themselves,
let them govern themselves. And if the

3372
04:16:09,279 --> 04:16:13,920
residents who I I don't know the
numbers, if there's more residents than

3373
04:16:12,720 --> 04:16:16,880
non-residents,
>> and if the residents

3374
04:16:15,600 --> 04:16:19,840
» Oh, you mean general membership?
>> General membership.

3375
04:16:17,600 --> 04:16:21,120
» There's a little Is it just like 49 51?
>> It's pretty close.

3376
04:16:20,479 --> 04:16:24,640
» Yeah.
>> So, why wouldn't they get equal

3377
04:16:22,960 --> 04:16:28,399
representation on a board that
participates? I mean, that's just my

3378
04:16:26,560 --> 04:16:33,040
opinion. It sounds like the Mount Sinai
school district problem with Porchev

3379
04:16:30,479 --> 04:16:36,960
school districts school district Mounts
broke away for poor chef because they

3380
04:16:34,720 --> 04:16:40,319
wouldn't allow them any
>> I'm gonna I'm going to say like

3381
04:16:38,159 --> 04:16:44,399
» but I again I I and then I'll step out
of the debate. I just just want to try

3382
04:16:42,640 --> 04:16:49,279
and understand the issues.
>> Um

3383
04:16:45,920 --> 04:16:54,560
but from your from your council
that document is not complete and I

3384
04:16:50,800 --> 04:17:00,159
wouldn't recommend voting on it.
And I I was just going to say that if

3385
04:16:57,120 --> 04:17:05,920
something needs to be addressed, it's
the code about it's chapter 25 in the

3386
04:17:02,880 --> 04:17:11,920
code which is so
so um it's like there's nothing in it.

3387
04:17:09,920 --> 04:17:17,120
It's just this is what this is what you
have responsibility for the CCMAC has a

3388
04:17:14,159 --> 04:17:24,640
responsibility for for advising on
finance on culture and social and um the

3389
04:17:21,600 --> 04:17:29,760
the uh grounds and care care of the
grounds. So, if we really wanted to get

3390
04:17:26,720 --> 04:17:35,120
into something and make some
improvements over what the roles and

3391
04:17:32,319 --> 04:17:40,640
responsibilities are of the advisory
council, I'm probably going to get my

3392
04:17:38,800 --> 04:17:44,800
head handed to me for saying this, but
we should probably look at that code and

3393
04:17:42,960 --> 04:17:51,920
say, let's build it. Let's build some
bylaws around what the CCMAC does if

3394
04:17:47,920 --> 04:17:59,479
that's if there's a legislative
need for that. unless it just serves the

3395
04:17:55,279 --> 04:17:59,479
appropriate purpose as is.

3396
04:17:59,680 --> 04:18:08,399
I always thought the CCMAC code was like
directionless.

3397
04:18:04,399 --> 04:18:14,239
So, um, again, I I don't mean to be
redundant and I know it's getting late.

3398
04:18:10,960 --> 04:18:19,680
I believe that we should modify that
document that the president and the

3399
04:18:16,800 --> 04:18:22,479
non-resident are
um

3400
04:18:20,560 --> 04:18:26,720
» I apologize the president and vice
president are residents and any other

3401
04:18:25,359 --> 04:18:31,359
modifications that we need to make to
that document going forward we'll make

3402
04:18:28,720 --> 04:18:37,359
but at least let's get that one section
cleaned up because I talked to quite a

3403
04:18:33,359 --> 04:18:44,239
few golfers and staff and the the way
the board of governors is constructed

3404
04:18:39,439 --> 04:18:49,040
right now um it's they're they're
difficult to work with is is an

3405
04:18:45,920 --> 04:18:54,239
understatement. So I would like to um
correct that right now. It was something

3406
04:18:51,439 --> 04:18:56,960
that we put in place months ago. It
should not have been taken out in the

3407
04:18:55,439 --> 04:19:01,680
first place. Let's make that correction.
Put it in so at least that section is

3408
04:18:58,960 --> 04:19:03,600
corrected. So let's can we have a vote
on that?

3409
04:19:02,080 --> 04:19:06,479
» But what attorney Moran said is we can't
make the corrections. You can make a

3410
04:19:05,040 --> 04:19:12,239
suggestion back that this is not
sufficient and can you change and

3411
04:19:09,279 --> 04:19:15,439
reumber and add in resident versus
>> are we allowed to modify that that kind

3412
04:19:14,159 --> 04:19:19,199
that that agreement
>> again in my opinion it's not possible

3413
04:19:18,560 --> 04:19:24,560
Mike
>> in my in my opinion

3414
04:19:22,159 --> 04:19:27,600
» you didn't promate that document you
didn't draft it so I

3415
04:19:26,159 --> 04:19:30,399
» we did correct it Dave
>> again you you

3416
04:19:29,120 --> 04:19:33,840
» well we made suggested
>> you didn't correct it my understanding

3417
04:19:31,920 --> 04:19:38,640
is you made you made potential changes
is they adopted some, they didn't adopt

3418
04:19:35,760 --> 04:19:43,199
others. To me, that's the process in a
document that you didn't formulate or

3419
04:19:40,319 --> 04:19:49,279
promulgate. Now, again, if they don't
bend to your will, which is you want

3420
04:19:46,880 --> 04:19:52,479
this to say member members, vice
president, and vice president, you have

3421
04:19:50,479 --> 04:19:56,239
the right not to adopt the bylaws.
>> But so,

3422
04:19:53,040 --> 04:19:59,279
» but then what but what ramifications?
>> But there's no board.

3423
04:19:57,920 --> 04:20:04,560
» That doesn't make any that doesn't
>> I appre I I I to me they govern

3424
04:20:02,000 --> 04:20:07,600
themselves. They're they're advisory to
an advisory board.

3425
04:20:06,080 --> 04:20:12,319
» Dave, I just want to ask you a question.
It's a simple question. If we vote today

3426
04:20:10,399 --> 04:20:17,199
to say that the president and vice
president have to be residents into that

3427
04:20:14,399 --> 04:20:20,080
document, yes or no, does it go into
that document?

3428
04:20:18,720 --> 04:20:22,880
» It depends on whether or not
>> Hold on, Kathy. Let Dave answer the

3429
04:20:21,840 --> 04:20:27,120
question.
>> From what I'm hearing in this

3430
04:20:24,479 --> 04:20:29,040
discussion, they also have to vote to
adopt the bylaws. So, I can't answer the

3431
04:20:28,800 --> 04:20:32,239
question.
>> Well, they'll only adopt they're going

3432
04:20:30,239 --> 04:20:35,199
to adopt the bylaws that we approve.
>> No. I I believe it's the other way

3433
04:20:34,000 --> 04:20:37,359
around.
>> You're going to adopt the bylaws that

3434
04:20:36,720 --> 04:20:40,479
they approve.
>> There are no bylaws. We send back our

3435
04:20:38,960 --> 04:20:43,600
recommendations, including what you just
said, and then they either give them

3436
04:20:42,000 --> 04:20:47,760
back to us with those corrections or
they don't. And if they do, great. We

3437
04:20:46,319 --> 04:20:50,239
vote on them and they're done. If they
give them back to us and say, "No, we're

3438
04:20:49,120 --> 04:20:52,720
not going to put that in." We say, "We
don't vote on them." And then we decide

3439
04:20:51,600 --> 04:20:56,239
what to do with the board of governors
without bylaws.

3440
04:20:53,680 --> 04:20:58,800
» All right. These were already adopted
June 26th

3441
04:20:57,760 --> 04:21:01,120
» by the board of governors.
>> But they have to be approved by you.

3442
04:21:00,000 --> 04:21:04,319
» But they're not approved. And if you're
if you're not inclined to approve them,

3443
04:21:02,640 --> 04:21:06,159
and I'm telling you as your counsel, you
shouldn't approve them because they're

3444
04:21:05,359 --> 04:21:07,359
not
>> numbered.

3445
04:21:06,800 --> 04:21:09,920
» Complete. Yeah,
>> they're not complete.

3446
04:21:08,560 --> 04:21:13,920
» Or at least a page should be in there
that says number three intentionally

3447
04:21:11,359 --> 04:21:16,960
omitted some something. So in when when
none of us are here, all a sudden page

3448
04:21:15,600 --> 04:21:19,520
article three slides in,
>> right?

3449
04:21:17,520 --> 04:21:23,760
» That says everyone could be a non-member
to exist. Um non-resident.

3450
04:21:23,359 --> 04:21:25,840
Um,
>> okay. We have to,

3451
04:21:24,479 --> 04:21:32,920
» but that's the procedure I I would
suggest is the right one

3452
04:21:28,560 --> 04:21:32,920
if I'm understanding how it all works.

3453
04:21:33,439 --> 04:21:38,399
» Motion to go into exact session.
>> No, I think

3454
04:21:36,159 --> 04:21:43,040
» Randy gets to go.
>> We'll wait after exact.

3455
04:21:40,800 --> 04:21:46,479
» Motion to eliminate Ry's report.
>> I don't know.

3456
04:21:43,680 --> 04:21:48,640
» Yes. Yes. Yes. Please, please.
>> Please.

3457
04:21:46,880 --> 04:21:52,239
» Well, thank you, Randy.
>> Thankfully, most of the things, well,

3458
04:21:50,800 --> 04:21:56,239
two things. Yeah, we were already
covered. So power plant working group

3459
04:21:54,000 --> 04:22:00,399
obviously meeting was changed to combine
with budget and finance. I couldn't go.

3460
04:21:58,000 --> 04:22:03,680
I had air conditioning issues. Uh
historical society's meeting Tuesday.

3461
04:22:02,399 --> 04:22:08,399
I'm very excited to go because that will
be my first meeting with them. Uh we met

3462
04:22:06,640 --> 04:22:15,439
parks and wreck. So, the beginning of
our meeting, we um invited Janice Eaton

3463
04:22:12,080 --> 04:22:22,960
to come because she uh if you remember,
she had sent an email, I think a while

3464
04:22:18,239 --> 04:22:27,520
ago, back in April um for Skull Racks at
uh

3465
04:22:23,920 --> 04:22:30,880
» Harbor Front Park. So, we invited her or
I actually happened to see her at a

3466
04:22:29,120 --> 04:22:33,680
school board meeting and um
>> Centennial

3467
04:22:31,359 --> 04:22:37,920
» Centennial. Thank you. Well, it's kind
it was a little bit up for discussion

3468
04:22:36,239 --> 04:22:40,720
where the location. Okay,
>> we talked about that when she came.

3469
04:22:40,159 --> 04:22:44,479
» Okay.
>> Um,

3470
04:22:42,239 --> 04:22:47,439
so she came to the meeting and we just
had conversations cuz a lot of us

3471
04:22:46,000 --> 04:22:52,319
weren't even familiar with what the
skull bolt was. They're they're very

3472
04:22:49,439 --> 04:22:56,560
large, bigger than kayaks. They're like
30 feet, I think. Oh, no. I'm sorry.

3473
04:22:54,319 --> 04:23:00,960
» They're crew. They're crew, right? Like
>> Yes. Yes. Um, so anyway, so our next

3474
04:22:59,279 --> 04:23:06,720
step, you know, we had lots of
questions. Um she had said that there

3475
04:23:03,680 --> 04:23:12,080
were people that were blessing to build
but obviously that would be an insurance

3476
04:23:09,600 --> 04:23:17,279
issue for the village especially because
of the length of these boats. So um I

3477
04:23:15,840 --> 04:23:25,600
didn't know if that was something that
we could look into. Um but the next step

3478
04:23:22,319 --> 04:23:31,920
was we asked to just get some quotes
for the skull uh for the racks.

3479
04:23:28,479 --> 04:23:35,359
uh we disc oh so then the next part is
we already discussed there's a lot of

3480
04:23:33,680 --> 04:23:40,880
confusion still with where we stand with
the basketball courts the misting

3481
04:23:36,800 --> 04:23:46,800
station at uh at Rockship Park the
resurfacing of Rocket Ship Park the

3482
04:23:43,279 --> 04:23:55,520
splash pad um at Turtle Park obviously
that area is a disaster it's like mud

3483
04:23:50,560 --> 04:24:00,800
central um and yeah so we're still kind
of waiting for quotes but obviously I

3484
04:23:57,439 --> 04:24:08,319
think that may be handled. Uh and then
still waiting for garden shed estimates

3485
04:24:04,159 --> 04:24:11,199
um for the uh community garden on Beach
Street.

3486
04:24:09,040 --> 04:24:14,640
» So hopefully we're we had asked for
those by the October meeting. So

3487
04:24:12,800 --> 04:24:19,279
hopefully uh at the next meeting I'll
have that.

3488
04:24:16,000 --> 04:24:24,640
» And locks were were um planted. I think
the beautifification committee actually

3489
04:24:21,920 --> 04:24:29,600
um donated some or were going to donate
some pollinator plants um to the

3490
04:24:26,640 --> 04:24:34,000
community garden. Uh we had a discussion
too kind of along the line with the

3491
04:24:31,359 --> 04:24:41,359
skull boats because we talked about what
happens when kayaks and um paddle boards

3492
04:24:39,199 --> 04:24:47,840
are abandoned are left on the racks cuz
we also talked about I'll circle back

3493
04:24:43,680 --> 04:24:53,279
how to um kind of run the skull racks.
It would be I'm assuming we if we went

3494
04:24:51,120 --> 04:24:59,840
ahead with that project it would be
similar to how we have um paddle boards

3495
04:24:56,880 --> 04:25:05,359
and kayaks on the racks at the beaches.
Um we have them at Crystal Brook, right?

3496
04:25:02,319 --> 04:25:11,439
Crystal Brook. Yeah. So, we talked about
that, but then it also led to us talking

3497
04:25:07,359 --> 04:25:16,880
about the abandonment of uh paddle
boards and kayaks. And there's

3498
04:25:13,040 --> 04:25:20,159
apparently a lot like 20 to 30 abandoned
kayaks and paddle boards that are I

3499
04:25:18,720 --> 04:25:25,040
guess in a shed somewhere. No one's
really sure where exactly they are. So

3500
04:25:22,560 --> 04:25:31,840
that was a concern because these are
massive boats. I mean I don't I don't

3501
04:25:28,399 --> 04:25:36,159
estimate that we'll have as many
um of these boats

3502
04:25:34,319 --> 04:25:39,120
as as we do kayaks and and paddle
boards. And I would imagine they're

3503
04:25:37,439 --> 04:25:42,720
pretty costly. So I don't think that
they would be something that would be

3504
04:25:40,399 --> 04:25:48,000
abandoned, but it just, you know,
sparked a conversation. So we also

3505
04:25:45,920 --> 04:25:51,120
talked about what what is the village
doing with the abandoned kayaks and

3506
04:25:50,640 --> 04:25:55,920
paddle board.
>> Oh, that's the question that keeps on

3507
04:25:53,760 --> 04:25:59,920
coming back over year over year. But I I
thought they were I thought we actually

3508
04:25:57,199 --> 04:26:04,800
had a final disposition on those.
>> Um, but that's a Dave Melio's question.

3509
04:26:02,560 --> 04:26:08,080
» Okay. Yeah. I mean, we're like, can we
can we have like a little

3510
04:26:06,159 --> 04:26:11,840
» Thought they had talked about doing
auction. They talked about an auction

3511
04:26:10,399 --> 04:26:14,720
last year. I thought we had an auction
on them last year.

3512
04:26:12,960 --> 04:26:16,640
» I thought I thought I think we might
have.

3513
04:26:14,960 --> 04:26:19,279
» You remember, Sylvia? Did they do an au?
I

3514
04:26:17,680 --> 04:26:24,800
» don't think they formally did an
auction. Did they?

3515
04:26:20,319 --> 04:26:28,720
» No. No. And that was because I I was not
aware that the number was that high.

3516
04:26:26,720 --> 04:26:33,439
» I don't I mean, this is also a little
bit of people are like, "Oh, yeah. I

3517
04:26:31,040 --> 04:26:37,279
think there's about 20 to 30." I don't
know if we know for sure. So, I think we

3518
04:26:35,520 --> 04:26:41,600
would need to do some further
investigation to find out where they are

3519
04:26:39,600 --> 04:26:47,120
and how many there are.
>> Yeah. I mean, parks can tell.

3520
04:26:43,920 --> 04:26:50,159
» I'll see if we can get a definite number
of how many

3521
04:26:48,560 --> 04:26:55,279
» how many and where and location
>> and where they might legal question

3522
04:26:52,159 --> 04:27:00,720
would be if they were on our racks and
abandoned, do we have contact number of

3523
04:26:57,199 --> 04:27:02,560
the owner before we auction off
someone's property? I believe that was

3524
04:27:02,159 --> 04:27:04,720
worked
>> over and over again.

3525
04:27:03,520 --> 04:27:08,319
» Marissa's very
>> I was just going to say we we made we

3526
04:27:06,640 --> 04:27:12,640
made a very concerted effort. You said
the exact same thing last time.

3527
04:27:11,040 --> 04:27:16,239
» Consistency. Um
>> isn't I'm sorry to jump in, but isn't

3528
04:27:14,159 --> 04:27:20,080
there wording in the agreement? There
is. Yeah. That if this then

3529
04:27:18,000 --> 04:27:23,359
» Yes. Then you surrender. You basically
surrender your property to the village.

3530
04:27:21,840 --> 04:27:28,880
» There is. But we wanted to exhaust every
option. And then I know that Marissa

3531
04:27:25,840 --> 04:27:33,920
made a very concerted effort and at that
time there were several people that did

3532
04:27:31,120 --> 04:27:39,279
pick up their kayaks. So if that's
>> I know somebody that

3533
04:27:36,880 --> 04:27:43,680
admitted that they got multiple phone
calls and still didn't go. So they were

3534
04:27:41,680 --> 04:27:48,399
like, "Nope, you could do what you want
with it. It's my fault." So So I do have

3535
04:27:46,399 --> 04:27:52,560
confirmation that that is accurate.
>> All right. I I'll ask DPW,

3536
04:27:50,960 --> 04:27:56,239
give me accountant, where are they?
>> Yes, exactly. At the very least, if we

3537
04:27:53,920 --> 04:27:58,800
can't identify, we should publicize
somewhere. Apparently, Facebook's a good

3538
04:27:58,080 --> 04:28:00,000
idea. So,
>> yeah. Yeah.

3539
04:27:59,600 --> 04:28:04,880
» Um,
>> it seems to be very popular.

3540
04:28:01,760 --> 04:28:08,720
» We should publicize somewhere that if
you have abandoned or left a blah blah

3541
04:28:07,120 --> 04:28:12,080
blah blah for a period of time, the
village will be just even even if the

3542
04:28:10,720 --> 04:28:15,199
agreement says that we should still do
some level of diligence.

3543
04:28:13,199 --> 04:28:19,120
» The equivalent of a public notice.
>> Yeah.

3544
04:28:17,120 --> 04:28:24,960
» All right. So, moving on. We um
discussed the uh 911 memorial. Uh mo a

3545
04:28:22,399 --> 04:28:31,920
lot of us actually attended uh we we met
at um Harborf Park to just survey the

3546
04:28:29,439 --> 04:28:35,439
property just to see like locations. Uh
but then at our parks and wreck meeting

3547
04:28:33,520 --> 04:28:40,159
we just talked about uh the formulation
of this committee uh potential

3548
04:28:37,600 --> 04:28:43,439
fundraising plans and you know partner
trying to partner with the conservancy.

3549
04:28:41,760 --> 04:28:48,319
So we talked about golf outing, maybe a
steak dinner, poker night. Uh so we were

3550
04:28:46,319 --> 04:28:56,960
just having just conversations about
that. Um and then the last two things

3551
04:28:52,479 --> 04:29:02,000
were um it was mentioned that uh we may
be trying to bring recreation volleyball

3552
04:28:58,640 --> 04:29:09,359
back. Uh I know it was there for a long
time cuz I played when I was in like my

3553
04:29:04,800 --> 04:29:14,640
20s. Um and then during CO it actually
uh went away and then the place in Mount

3554
04:29:12,479 --> 04:29:19,279
Sai opened up a beach volleyball place
and that kind of I think took a lot of

3555
04:29:17,040 --> 04:29:23,359
people away from it. But now I think
there's an interest to maybe bring

3556
04:29:21,760 --> 04:29:28,000
recreation volleyball back to Spring
Street, which I would appreciate. It's

3557
04:29:26,319 --> 04:29:32,159
very expensive at the beach volleyball
play. So,

3558
04:29:29,359 --> 04:29:37,920
» uh, and then we also discussed um the
softball netting

3559
04:29:34,319 --> 04:29:46,159
um at the the softball field. Um, I
guess the outer netting is pulled taut,

3560
04:29:43,040 --> 04:29:53,279
but the netting that is I guess the foul
ball netting is not. It's like swoops.

3561
04:29:50,960 --> 04:29:59,199
» Yeah. And so I
>> play softball also. And um it's not

3562
04:29:56,800 --> 04:30:03,279
really serving its purpose. I mean it's
serving its purpose because the foul

3563
04:30:00,880 --> 04:30:09,199
balls are not going into the you know
>> into the creek swamp as we call it.

3564
04:30:06,159 --> 04:30:14,319
They are not, but they are not bouncing
off the netting. They're getting stuck

3565
04:30:11,760 --> 04:30:17,120
» in the netting because it's not taught.
Right.

3566
04:30:15,199 --> 04:30:22,560
» So, that was something we talked about.
And I believe that netting is also um

3567
04:30:20,479 --> 04:30:26,000
seasonal. So, I think it's supposed to
be coming down.

3568
04:30:24,560 --> 04:30:30,560
» Right. And I think it's it's supposed to
be on some sort of a pulley system. So,

3569
04:30:28,960 --> 04:30:34,960
I'm not sure
>> I'm not sure why,

3570
04:30:32,960 --> 04:30:38,479
» you know, there's a little bit. Yeah.
So, I don't know if that's something.

3571
04:30:36,960 --> 04:30:42,800
Sorry. I don't know if I'm feel like I'm
pawning some things off on you, but

3572
04:30:40,880 --> 04:30:48,000
» I'm not sure if that's something we can
address also and just find out the plan

3573
04:30:45,120 --> 04:30:50,319
for the netting in the winter when cuz I
mean that would be terrible.

3574
04:30:48,960 --> 04:30:54,000
» Do you have any concerns if Randy goes
right to parks for these things?

3575
04:30:52,960 --> 04:30:55,920
» Okay. Yeah.
>> No,

3576
04:30:54,319 --> 04:31:01,279
» you can copy him or whatever.
>> All right.

3577
04:30:57,600 --> 04:31:04,560
» Go directly to to Greg at I don't have a
problem with that at all. Do you want me

3578
04:31:02,880 --> 04:31:08,479
to ask about do you want me to handle
then the netting at the softball field

3579
04:31:06,399 --> 04:31:12,479
and then also
just ask about the kayaks too? Okay.

3580
04:31:10,720 --> 04:31:19,080
» So I'll I'll ask about those two things.
Perfect.

3581
04:31:13,600 --> 04:31:19,080
» And that is the end of my report.

3582
04:31:19,279 --> 04:31:25,359
» Treasure Gaffka
forgot about you.

3583
04:31:23,760 --> 04:31:29,000
» Anything?
You don't have a mic.

3584
04:31:29,520 --> 04:31:35,359
» I'm just going to be quick.
Um, I'm working with the grants

3585
04:31:33,439 --> 04:31:40,319
administrator to try and get reimbursed
for management costs for the hazard

3586
04:31:37,920 --> 04:31:46,880
mitigation flood study and also all of
the August storm uh FEMA uh all of the

3587
04:31:44,800 --> 04:31:52,479
projects. So everything from grant costs
to our engineering costs to try and get

3588
04:31:48,640 --> 04:31:57,680
reimbursed. Uh so the I was informed by
our intern uh Alexandra Weldon that her

3589
04:31:55,120 --> 04:32:01,680
last day will be September 24th.
>> Okay. So, a little ear, you know, she's

3590
04:31:59,760 --> 04:32:05,600
a little earlier than anticipated, but
uh she's been a great asset uh so far to

3591
04:32:04,239 --> 04:32:09,920
the department, and I, you know, just
want to say thank you for for her work.

3592
04:32:08,239 --> 04:32:13,840
Uh we're getting close to the finish
line with the audit. We're waiting on

3593
04:32:11,199 --> 04:32:18,479
the capital asset valuation update and
New York State Retirement still hasn't

3594
04:32:15,760 --> 04:32:23,040
given hasn't produced the Gazsby 68,
which is needed for our OPED report. So

3595
04:32:21,199 --> 04:32:27,439
once we have that, we'll have a final
report, but our auditors are prepared to

3596
04:32:24,880 --> 04:32:31,120
begin working on the AFR upload to New
York State now without it. And if we

3597
04:32:29,439 --> 04:32:36,399
need to amend it, we'll do that, which
is in process anyway.

3598
04:32:34,080 --> 04:32:40,319
Um,
Flushing Bank, uh, we passed this

3599
04:32:38,880 --> 04:32:44,319
resolution a few months ago, but
Flushing Bank is being transitioned to

3600
04:32:42,000 --> 04:32:48,239
Ocean First Bank. So, uh, staff, we're
all going through training on the new

3601
04:32:46,399 --> 04:32:52,080
banking portal. Uh, one of the
unfortunate things that we learned and

3602
04:32:49,680 --> 04:32:56,800
we've been trying to work diligently to
uh, avoid it is that we're we will not

3603
04:32:54,159 --> 04:33:01,120
have our flushing history. Uh, once they
transition over, we we're not going to

3604
04:32:58,960 --> 04:33:05,199
have access to being able to go in and
get check images and certain things.

3605
04:33:03,600 --> 04:33:10,240
» Uh, it's
>> What does the clerk have to say about

3606
04:33:06,561 --> 04:33:14,480
that? The records officer
>> we have we have gone through and

3607
04:33:12,480 --> 04:33:18,400
downloaded. I'm working with I'm trying
to work with Flushing and I've put in a

3608
04:33:16,240 --> 04:33:22,080
request for them to to give us Aren't
they required?

3609
04:33:19,439 --> 04:33:26,799
» We have We have physical copies of the
bank statements. We have physical I have

3610
04:33:24,561 --> 04:33:29,359
downloaded as many statements as are
available. So, we do have

3611
04:33:28,400 --> 04:33:33,600
» DIC aware.
>> We do have This is just part of the It's

3612
04:33:32,799 --> 04:33:37,119
just what happens.
>> Call the Treasury Department.

3613
04:33:36,320 --> 04:33:39,520
» Drop a dime.
>> I don't believe that's an acceptable

3614
04:33:38,799 --> 04:33:43,439
response.
>> No. that you're not going to have your

3615
04:33:42,080 --> 04:33:44,320
history if you need it.
>> Yeah.

3616
04:33:43,840 --> 04:33:49,760
» Yeah.
>> I mean, they has to I mean, the this

3617
04:33:47,680 --> 04:33:54,000
local municipal corporation has a
retention policy.

3618
04:33:52,000 --> 04:33:58,400
» They must be governed by some retention
policies even during transition.

3619
04:33:56,240 --> 04:34:02,400
» Yes, I have I have already reached out
to some of the higherups at Flushing

3620
04:34:00,080 --> 04:34:07,359
Bank and and with Ocean First and I've
already made a complaint and I'm trying

3621
04:34:03,840 --> 04:34:10,799
to get workarounds in case there's just
nothing we can do about it. Um problem

3622
04:34:10,160 --> 04:34:13,600
is ocean first.
>> If you get to the point where you

3623
04:34:11,920 --> 04:34:17,119
believe there's nothing you can do, we
need to elevate it.

3624
04:34:15,760 --> 04:34:19,600
» Understood.
>> Like tomorrow.

3625
04:34:18,000 --> 04:34:24,400
» Yeah. And we can't we're not the only
village that uses flushing. So

3626
04:34:21,439 --> 04:34:29,359
» No. No. And and I was not the only one
to complain about this. So um but our

3627
04:34:27,439 --> 04:34:32,959
staff has been trying to be careful and
we've gone through and downloaded our

3628
04:34:31,119 --> 04:34:36,480
statements, downloaded as much
information as humanly possible.

3629
04:34:35,920 --> 04:34:42,480
» Yeah.
>> Just to be safe. So to make sure we have

3630
04:34:39,439 --> 04:34:45,600
access to it just to be safe. Um you
know a lot of times with software

3631
04:34:44,000 --> 04:34:49,760
transitions you lose stuff. We lost
stuff when we transitioned from KVS to

3632
04:34:47,600 --> 04:34:52,080
to Edmonds. It was not clean. It wasn't
smooth.

3633
04:34:50,480 --> 04:34:53,439
» But that you weren't here when that
happened.

3634
04:34:52,480 --> 04:34:57,920
» I was not here. No.
>> So but now we're here. The government is

3635
04:34:56,240 --> 04:35:02,639
here to help.
>> Yes. Mayor.

3636
04:35:01,039 --> 04:35:05,439
» So I'm working I'm just I'm actively
working on it. I just want to I thought

3637
04:35:03,840 --> 04:35:08,639
it was important enough to bring it to
the attention. I I had I had this

3638
04:35:07,119 --> 04:35:11,520
conversation today, so it's I didn't
even have a chance to really, you know,

3639
04:35:10,320 --> 04:35:15,039
get too far into it.
>> When's the transition complete?

3640
04:35:13,680 --> 04:35:16,561
» September 18th.
>> That's a week away.

3641
04:35:16,080 --> 04:35:18,959
» Yeah, I know.
>> Come on. No,

3642
04:35:17,199 --> 04:35:21,920
» this is they gave us that amount of
time. They got an alert that said you're

3643
04:35:20,879 --> 04:35:24,561
everything's changing.
>> Stephen,

3644
04:35:23,920 --> 04:35:30,561
send it to
>> Dave. I will re we'll convene about this

3645
04:35:27,119 --> 04:35:33,760
tomorrow. Um,
deputy treasur is going to Nikon. I

3646
04:35:32,320 --> 04:35:38,000
don't I don't know if anybody else from
the board is going. So Michelle will be

3647
04:35:36,160 --> 04:35:40,799
going to the Nikon and and she found out
today and I just want to I thought it

3648
04:35:39,520 --> 04:35:46,719
was important to recognize she's going
to be receiving her certification for

3649
04:35:43,199 --> 04:35:50,160
CMF CM.
>> So I thought that you know she went

3650
04:35:48,160 --> 04:35:51,359
through all of the she had enough
credits

3651
04:35:50,719 --> 04:35:55,680
» CFM
>> CFML CFM.

3652
04:35:54,561 --> 04:36:00,719
» That's awesome. Yeah.
>> Yes. So, uh, something to be proud about

3653
04:35:58,799 --> 04:36:06,760
and, you know, hopefully I won't be too
far behind since I didn't even realize

3654
04:36:02,160 --> 04:36:06,760
that it existed prior to coming here.

3655
04:36:08,000 --> 04:36:15,039
» That's a where we were issue, not a
>> where I am issue.

3656
04:36:13,439 --> 04:36:21,439
Um
and uh just an update updated the leings

3657
04:36:17,600 --> 04:36:27,920
report and we received 27,700 or we will
be receiving $27,746

3658
04:36:24,320 --> 04:36:33,439
for August. Um so from June to August we
were up to 94,474

3659
04:36:30,799 --> 04:36:35,279
in revenue
and unless there's questions I'll stop

3660
04:36:34,959 --> 04:36:38,240
there.
>> What did we get from Liberty? What do we

3661
04:36:36,879 --> 04:36:41,279
what's our what are our numbers from
Liberty Clipper? I

3662
04:36:39,600 --> 04:36:43,760
» I haven't gotten a report for August
yet.

3663
04:36:46,561 --> 04:36:53,680
Okay.
>> We had gotten 6,000 uh a little over

3664
04:36:50,719 --> 04:36:58,480
6,000 for when they were here in June,
but they were not here all of July. So,

3665
04:36:56,561 --> 04:37:04,279
now I'll get the number for August and
update the board as soon as possible.

3666
04:37:01,279 --> 04:37:04,279
» Okay.

3667
04:37:05,439 --> 04:37:12,080
Attorney Moran, do you have anything?
Okay.

3668
04:37:10,320 --> 04:37:14,639
Do we have a motion to go into executive
session?

3669
04:37:12,480 --> 04:37:18,799
» Before we do that, do we our next
meeting are we changing the date?

3670
04:37:17,600 --> 04:37:23,439
» Oh,
>> uh I I checked. I'm unavailable.

3671
04:37:20,799 --> 04:37:27,879
» Okay.
>> So, no, because we will not have a

3672
04:37:24,879 --> 04:37:27,879
quorum.

3673
04:37:29,199 --> 04:37:37,520
» Second for exec.
>> So, so at this time we have a motion to

3674
04:37:34,240 --> 04:37:40,719
enter into executive session at 9:42
p.m. Motion. I motion

3675
04:37:40,160 --> 04:37:42,240
» second.
>> Move.

3676
04:37:41,439 --> 04:37:45,879
» All in favor?
>> I

3677
04:37:42,879 --> 04:37:45,879
» I

3678
04:37:58,480 --> 04:38:03,600
» It's 10:04.
>> 10:04. Okay. Uh, all in favor?

3679
04:38:03,279 --> 04:38:12,080
» I I
>> Okay. Um, Trusty Snen has left the room.

3680
04:38:08,639 --> 04:38:15,359
So, there's four of us left. And we have
two two resolutions, Sylvia, out of

3681
04:38:14,240 --> 04:38:23,199
executive session.
>> Yes, Mayor. There are two. They are

3682
04:38:18,000 --> 04:38:28,561
resolution numbers 10 and 11,
respectively. Resolution number 109926

3683
04:38:26,400 --> 04:38:32,879
is a resolution authorizing Mayor Shepro
to sign the order on consent and waiver

3684
04:38:30,561 --> 04:38:35,879
of formal hearing per docket number
ENF2600759E

3685
04:38:37,199 --> 04:38:43,359
on behalf of the village of Port
Jefferson and authorizing the payment of

3686
04:38:40,480 --> 04:38:45,840
the corresponding $425 penalty to the
Suffach County Department of Health. May

3687
04:38:45,119 --> 04:38:46,879
I have a motion?
>> Motion.

3688
04:38:46,400 --> 04:38:48,639
» Second.
>> Second.

3689
04:38:47,600 --> 04:38:54,719
» All in favor?
>> I. Resolution number 11 99926 resolution

3690
04:38:52,320 --> 04:38:58,400
approving the below amendment to the
existing department heads and

3691
04:38:56,400 --> 04:39:02,879
non-represented employees employment
policy which reads as follows. Employees

3692
04:39:00,879 --> 04:39:07,760
who are called into work outside of
their regular work hours will receive a

3693
04:39:05,279 --> 04:39:12,080
minimum of three hours of compensatory
time or an amount equal to the number of

3694
04:39:10,400 --> 04:39:16,879
hours that they worked whichever is
greater. Earned compensatory time may

3695
04:39:14,799 --> 04:39:19,680
not be used until an employee has worked
for 6 months on a full-time basis. May I

3696
04:39:19,039 --> 04:39:20,879
have a motion?
>> Motion.

3697
04:39:20,320 --> 04:39:22,719
» Second.
>> Thank you.

3698
04:39:21,520 --> 04:39:25,840
» All in favor?
>> I

3699
04:39:23,039 --> 04:39:32,000
» I
>> Good job. Motion carries.

3700
04:39:29,359 --> 04:39:34,480
» Do we have a motion to
adjurnn?

3701
04:39:32,799 --> 04:39:36,240
» Motion.
>> Second

3702
04:39:35,039 --> 04:39:37,440
» at 10:05 p.m.
>> All in favor?

3703
04:39:37,119 --> 04:39:43,638
» I
>> I motion carries. Good night.

3704
04:39:40,320 --> 04:39:43,638
» Good night, everyone.