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Hey, everybody, we're gonna get started. It is 07:00 so

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I'm going to call the meeting to order. We start

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off in a good way with this territorial land acknowledgment,

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the City of Port Moody carries out our business on

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the ancestral and unseated homelands of the quake. Whitlam slail

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Wattooth Musquium squamish. Kate C. Quantlin, kikate and stolo peoples

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and extends. Appreciation for the opportunity to work on this

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territory. Next item is adoption of the agenda. Although I

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believe that, Madam Clerk, there is an amendment. For a

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title change for one of. The proposed motions. Thank you,

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Mary. Lady, we just request a motion that the agenda

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be amended by. Replacing the memo provided in the agenda

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package for item 11.2, which should be titled UBCM advocacy

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housing as a human right. And that the item title

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provides accordingly. Thank you. So, as amended, it's been moved

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and seconded. All in favor? Opposed? Carried. Now, anyone who's

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here has probably been hearing the drum beats in the

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background. So at this point in time, before we move

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on with the rest, of the agenda we are actually

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going to take. A short recess to watch the Port

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Moody Secondary school blue thunder marching drum line and then

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they're going to come back and we'll have a little

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chat with them. So we'll recess at this point and

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everybody can go out and watch the drum line.

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Nice and loud. Yeah. Well.

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They wouldn't really have a spot.

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Right, so we're going to reconvene the meeting. So before

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we go. To the representative. From the blue Thunder marching

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drum line. I'm going to go to councilor Agtrap. Who's

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going to give us a little bit of information. And

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then you'll be welcomed up to the podium. Great. Thank

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you. We are very delighted to have Corey Smith and

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the Port Moody Secondary School blue. Thunder indoor march chain

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drum line here tonight, and we especially enjoyed the live

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performance in front of city hall just now. And for

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those of you online, you can check them out on

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YouTube. Founded in 2022, the Port Moody Blue Thunder Drum

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Line is a small group of students from Port Moody

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Secondary School, who are dedicated to exploring the marching arts

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and supporting the school. And community through Drumline, the Blue

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center drumline participates in a wide variety of events and

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competitions such as supporting centennial secondary football team, playing at

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school and music program, fundraising events around town competing at

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regional and provincial level competitions and performing for community events

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such as Port Moody Shuffle and the Canada Day celebrations.

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The drum line is one of. Only three drum lines

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in the province capable of competing at the premier class

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level in Canadian Drumline association competitions, making it one of

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the top groups in the province. Each year, the ensemble

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creates an original show and. That they compete with in

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the spring. This year. The show is titled. Witches and

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wizards and drums Omai and is a journey through the

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magical world of Harry Potter. The sorcerer's apprentice. And, of

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course, wizard of Oz. And wicked, welcome Corey in the

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blue. Thunder drum line. We look forward to learning more

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about your accomplishments. Thank you very much. Pleasure to come

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out and perform for you all today. The kids were

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looking forward to it for a long time. My name

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is Corey Smith, director of instrumental music over at Port

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Moody Secondary School, as well as the director of operations

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BC for the Canadian Drumline association. Drumline is a major

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passion of mine that I've developed over the years, having

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watched my grandfather run drum lines in California. I was

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able to bring it here to Port Moody after having

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one in West Vancouver for a number of years and

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very grateful that I did so that we can contribute

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to events like this. And all of our. Local activities

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that we do. So just a quick background. I know,

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actually, that covered a lot of what we do, which

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is. Great this year. The drum line. So this is

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our third year in operation. We finished third in the

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province out of 30 drum lines, which was. Pretty spectacular

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for us, considering the other two schools that beat us

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have been around for 2025. Years or more. So these

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kids. Thank you. So these kids have put in an

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exceptional amount of work to get to that level. What

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you saw today. It's taken them three years to develop.

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The skills. Just about every single one of those members

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started in grade nine, and now they're. In grade eleven,

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moving into grade twelve. We've got a couple of levels

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of marching. We've got a junior drum line that now

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feeds into this senior group. With the hope of expanding

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the whole program at Port Moody secondary to a full

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marching band program. Next year. So if there are any

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parades in town that you need a marching ensemble for,

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please. Think of us. And thank you again for having

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us. Please stay, because I see that there are some

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counselors that have their hands up. I just want to

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commend you for placing third that your organization, the kids,

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for coming. Third in the province. That's quite an accomplishment.

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I was so impressed. By. The, I guess, the choreography

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and just the rhythm that was provided. It was really

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enjoyable to watch. I'm a parent of kids that play

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in a drum line as well. And we can talk

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about that later, but. It was really fun. And congratulations

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again. So I'm going to go to councilor Knowles. Thank

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you so much for that. And it's such a lovely

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evening for it. I feel bad for anyone who was

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joining. Us online tonight because they really missed out. So

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this is the benefit of showing up to meetings. In

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person, people. Yeah. It's just. Got me all sorts of

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feelings here, and just about the work you do for

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our students and. For our youth that is so important.

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I have two daughters in middle school, and I'm already

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thinking, like, how can I get you to go to

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their school? Where do they need to go to school?

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So I really appreciate people like you who dedicate their

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time to arts like this. I just. Had a quick

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question, actually. On the side, there was a fellow playing

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a really long bunch of pipes, and I just want.

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To show what that's called. Chimes or tubular bells? Tubular

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belts. Yeah, tubular belt. I've never seen that before. Yeah,

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very common in a concert band. But we like to.

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Integrate as many strange instruments as we can in our

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drum line. To add to the texture. So my question

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was, you see these especially in american colleges. You see

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these gem lines that wander around. Would that be something

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that he could carry around or was not? Unfortunately not,

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no. There's two kinds of shows that will perform. There

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will be field shows. And what you saw today was

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actually what we call a small format show. Typically, our

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show will take up an entire basketball court. And so

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we had to work very hard to compress the essence.

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Of our show into a 25 by 25 foot square.

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But for a field show, you would have what's called

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the front ensemble. So you saw the whole slew of

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fibrophones. And marimbas and xylophones, and they would typically stay

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planted while the battery the snare tenor drums all do

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their walking around for a parade. Show those instrument. Instrumentalists

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all play either a battery instrument or an auxiliary that

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they can, or a window, actually. Most of them are

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wind instruments that they'll play very cool. Thank you for

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the indication. Yes, absolutely. I was particularly impressed with the

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young ladies in the front who had multiple batons. Or

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mallets. And playing several different keys at the same time.

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It was really formal. A technique is a very tricky

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thing to learn. Technique. Okay, I'll write that down. They

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took it upon themselves to learn it, and they asked

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me to write it into the show this year. So

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you get to see it in action. Proud we have

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councilor Dilworth next. Thank you. That was an outstanding performance.

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I wasn't sure where to look and what to look

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at and. I saw the keyboardists with their imagining three,

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four wands playing. There's a gentleman. Banging the hammer on

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the tube bells. There was the magical movement of the

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symbols off and it was just as much. I want

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to say a dance program as much as it was

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a music program. And hearing the reference afterwards to witches

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in Harry Potter. I get it even more now. Having

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heard that. I'm wondering. How long does it actually. Take

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to get one performance under the belt because. I really

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have to acknowledge the commitment of your students. There is

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not a single song sheet in place. These kids have

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memorized not only the music, their steps, the choreography, and

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I can only imagine the commitment that it takes to

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do that on top of part time jobs and studying

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and tests and all that other stuff. So what is

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that time? Commitment. And how long does it take your

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group to get, like, one number solid? It's a long

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time. We rehearse 3 hours a week. It's actually a

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course. That the students take. And. We do one large

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show like that per year. So we start writing next

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year. Show after our last performance, we start brainstorming what

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elements do we want? What themes do we want to

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pull from? And I'll take the summer. To rank the

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show, and in September I introduce it to the students,

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and we hope to have them. It's called being off

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book. So memorized by November ish. Playing the music, and

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then we set it to choreography. And it's a full

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year process. And we model it after. Obviously, it's marching

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culture in the states is very popular and. Our league

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is modeled after theirs, and that runs from September to

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April or May. To give the schools enough time to

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do it. It is very much like running a musical.

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Because of the dance and the motion and the music

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and the memorizing of the lines. And you're absolutely right.

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I even wrote the show. And sometimes I still notice

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things going. I didn't notice how. Well. Because they come

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up with their own choreography, really, and it's hard to

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keep track of. All of it. And seeing. I noticed

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today the symbol is doing something that I hadn't noticed

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for. And I noticed symbols today, right? They are fabulous.

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Well, do you know what? I hope this one performance

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here really brings a little bit more attention to your

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group, and I look forward to hearing more, perhaps about

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a first place performance at next year's competition. So thank

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you for bringing that down to us. That was really

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cool. Absolutely. I hope this becomes a tradition. Once you

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get your performance nailed, come on down. And. We'll get

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a good. We absolutely will. Thank you very much. We

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have councilor Morrison next. Thank you, mayor. And a lot

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of my colleagues have said the same things that I

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was going to mention. So excellent performance. I really enjoyed

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actually seeing a performing arts option here for our art

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at council. As much as we have some amazing artists.

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And pottery, et cetera, that we see. The council table

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and writers, oftentimes we don't get that. So that would

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be the first time I've seen that, I guess in

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my term on council and going outside. And actually watching

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a performance like that, so I'd love to get more

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of that, so. Whoever booked this, please keep your eye

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out for other options. I also wanted to recognize the

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choreography was excellent. The fact that there was the opportunity

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for even the back rows to be able to have

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their moment to shine was really nice as well with

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the kneeling down so you could see the players in

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the back. That was great and really on topic with

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your music selection between the Harry Potter and the revive

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of that show coming back soon. And also wicked naturally

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being pretty popular there. So thank you for presenting for

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us tonight and showcasing and thank all your students for

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me. Thank you. Thank you very much, councilor Becky. Thank

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you. If I feel my colleagues have said, when you

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say, I usually don't chime in. But I had to

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this time. That was absolutely incredible. That's one of the

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best things I've seen in a long time. I have

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to tell you. It's just absolutely mind blowing. I used

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to marking culture. I love that. Because you can see

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how you can see the commitment and the dedication must

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be part of your everyday life to be able to

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do that. So I just wanted to congratulate you, obviously.

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Being able to. Lead these young adults. I'll call them.

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And guide them to find their own talents. To do

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something like that is incredible. And congratulations to each and

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every one of you. And I hope those at home

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can Google and YouTube. I'm assuming and check you out

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because it honestly was absolutely incredible. So thank you so

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much. Thank you so much. And last but not least,

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I have Councilor Lubeck. Thank you so much. I won't

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go over what all of my colleagues have said. But

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it was magical, honestly. And. I was struck they shared

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talent. And amazing instruments to put together. But there's so

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much emotion, and that's that wonderful thing about music. Is

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that you can listen to something and it brings you

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joy. There's no. Words, but you just can't help but

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smile or laugh because it's brought that emotion out, and

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I really appreciate you bringing that to city hall today.

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Awesome. And best of luck coming in first next year.

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Thank you. Even if you don't. Place. Come to us.

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Definitely will. Thank you. Just pass on again. The good

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wishes from council. There are some pretty cool cats out

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there. Very much. Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you

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very much. Bye bye. All right, next item on the

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agenda is public input. As a reminder to members of

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the public. While we encourage civic engagement and welcome your

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participation in the public portion of our meeting. There are

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expectations regarding appropriate conduct in decorum at council meetings. We

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ask all members of the public to ensure that matters

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raised with council are constructively focused on issues and not

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individuals and that any engagement with or about city staff

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or council is addressed in a manner that is consistent

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with these expectations so that we can all engage in

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this space in a manner that. Is respectful and constructive

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and abides by the city's respectful communications policy and respectful

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workplace. Policy. We have one name on the speaker's list

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at this time, and that is Sally. Common. So, Sally,

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if you can come down. And anybody else who wishes

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to address council. Can come up to the podium when

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Sally's completed, and I'm just checking online. I see that

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there is someone online that has or two people online

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that have their hands up. So, Sally, please just state

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your name and city of residence for the record. You

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have two minutes. Sally common coquitlam. I am here to

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support item 7.3, the special event support pay parking amendment.

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As you heard my name. I'm with the Golden Spike

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Days Festival Society. Our festival has been held at Rocky

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Point for approximately 40 years. For all of that time,

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we've been using the parking lot in front of the

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pool. For our directors, vips such as mps and mlas

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and also sponsors and entertainers. The purpose of using the

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lot for these people is not about not wanting to

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look for a parking, but for ease of use to

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be able to come and go as many of these

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people need to do. Directors often need to pop out

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and to get things. Our dignitaries often have many different

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events to. Attend in the same day. And need to

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be able to park quickly and leave conveniently. Entertainers quite

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often have the same need to be able to be

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conveniently parked and leave to go to another show, not

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to mention the musical equipment that they have to carry.

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Our sponsors deserve to be treated. To a special parking

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lot for their generosity as well. To have to pay

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to use for the use of the parking lot, for

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the extent of the festival would be quite cost prohibitive

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for our society. Money is already very tight in these

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uncertain economic times. We hope that. We would be exempt

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or grandfathered somehow. We support and ask that the pay

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parking management be amended as requested. Thank you. Thank you.

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We'll go to online. We have two people online. We'll

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go to Dr. Darren Jonesen. Please just unmute yourself. State

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your name and city of residence for the record, and

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you will. Have two minutes. Thank you, mayor and

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council. My name is Darren. Jonathan. This is my first

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time speaking. With city council. I am president elect of

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BC family doctors, which is. The main advocacy organization for

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family doctors in the province. I am a drummer myself.

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I was in pipe band. We didn't, unfortunately, have drumline,

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and I'm from. Chillowac. So started a secondary school as

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my alma mater, and they have a drum line. That

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does quite well as well. That's not the reason I'm

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here tonight. But I wanted to share just some points

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with regards to. The agenda item 11.3, which is coming

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later tonight. Specifically. I just want to thank you for

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even having this on the agenda. We know. That our

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health care is in crisis right now across the province.

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We know that patients are struggling to get access to

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healthcare resources, and we understand that. It's important that we

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remove barriers for healthcare access. I think. It's quite. Impressive

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as a city council. That. You are able to. Change

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bylaws for housing because you don't have a lot of

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say over health. Care in general, right? It's a provincially

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run thing, but as a municipality, to be able. To

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dedicate space in new builds for primary care clinics. I

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think. Is genius. I just want to thank you for

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considering that. I want to show my support as well.

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Just by letting you know that. In our PC family,

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doctors will continue to advocate. For. A better primary care

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system so that hopefully all communities in the province can

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benefit from. Thank you. For that. Dr. Jonathan, if you

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could just state your city of residence, please, for the

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record. Kilowatt BC. Kilowatt. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very

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much. We'll go to Rowan Burge. Same. Please. Just unmute

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yourself and state your name. In city of residence. For

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the record, you will have two minutes. Good evening, everyone.

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Can you hear me okay? Yes. Thank you so much

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for having me. I am also a former band person,

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so definitely going to go check out these dresses. Good

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evening, everyone. My name is Rowan. I'm a resident of

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Vancouver, and I'm. Also the provincial director of the BC

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poverty reduction coalition. We are a coalition of 80 plus

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member. Organizations across species that, at the fee for food

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security, adequate housing, and wider antique poverty measures for the

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province to ensure that everyone has their needs and rights

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met. I'm calling in support today of agenda item 11.2

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on the UBCM. Advocacy around housing is equal and right,

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which is a timely and common sense motion. As I'm

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sure all of you folks are already aware the housing

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crisis has profoundly impacted our communities, making it very difficult

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for people to access the affordable and appropriate housing. The

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affordability crisis. Is leading people very hard, and those at

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the lower end of the income spectrum need your leadership.

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To ensure safe housing for all. As a renter myself,

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I know firsthand how challenging it can be to find

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an affordable long term apartment. The housing crisis touches every

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level of government, but none more acutely. Assembly, I urge

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you to join your voice. To leverage your position, the

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policymakers at the forefront of housing decisions and call the

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new potential counterparts to treat housing as a human right.

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The urgency of a rights based approach has a potential

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to spur investment, cut Redsk and its full frost jurisdictional

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collaboration to ensure that everybody has a fully and affordable

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placement. I urge you to support the motion as presented

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and support to EBC for a more closed discussion encouraging

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the province to recognize housing rights that substantial to offer

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profound benefit to the people of Port Moody and also

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our province as a whole. It is the province. There's

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public support for housing and. Right, which helps us does

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housing. Justice defense. Poverty advocates continue critically advocating for better

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living conditions. Thank you so much for your consideration and

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leadership on this critical matter. Really appreciate your time. Thank

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you. Thank you. All right, at this time. We have

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another person online, Mr. Mark Coonsley. Please just state your

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name and city of residence for the record, Mr. Coonsley.

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Mark Kunsley, Port Moody. I'm out of town tonight, so

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sorry to join virtually you missed the drum line. I

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do want to speak in support of 11.7. I do

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feel a town hall for the official community plan doesn't

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make sense. I was not able to join the session

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with staff because I do work out of town. And

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I think just in general, the official community plan. It

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represents the community. We should be able to accommodate as

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many voices as possible. And many formats as possible. Shapes

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the future of our city grows. They spend a lot

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of discussion on it at multiple council meetings. And this

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plan, now that it's been drafted and having that opportunity

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for input, the back and forth with counselors I think

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is valuable. There's not really opportunities for two way communication

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such as this public input. I'm speaking to you, but

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I don't get to ask questions that get answers. I

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do appreciate that I did have a good conversation with

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Amir earlier today, so thank you for that, Merrick. And

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I think a lot of that information would be a

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benefit to the community. And the form, like a town

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hall, would allow a lot of it to come to

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light, so. Yeah, I hope to see the council of

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Abscess, and I hope to be able to. Participate in

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town hall on the OCP. Thank you very much. Thank

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you. At this point, I'm going to open up for

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anybody who wishes to provide input to council. Good evening.

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Please just state your name and city of residence for

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the boy. Report Moody. Counselors and mayor. I do not

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play the drums. I do not play any instrument. However,

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I am a huge supporter. Of live local music. So,

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having said that, I just want to talk about two

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events I attended recently. The Triacity's writers festival was amazing

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this year. I was fortunate enough to be able to

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attend. The cocktail party at the Evergreen Theater in Coquitlam.

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It was a fabulous event. $20. Oh, my gosh. They

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could have charged double that. I should have said that.

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I guess, but it was wonderful. It was Jen. I

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can never say her name. Probably Jen Sukfung Lee that

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took. Me. There she was on a panel with two

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other gentlemen, moderated by. Another author. Comedian. It was just

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a wonderful evening. And then right here. At the inlet

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theater. We unfortunately had one third hall full for an

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award winning Canada, Reed's author. Danny Ram and Dan, a

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syrian refugee. A wonderful personal story. He was playing and

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he was brought tears to our eyes. He made us

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laugh. He was interesting. He had it all rolled into

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one thing, and he came to us on his birthday.

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They were both wonderful. Advance. I encourage you to attend

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next year. Certainly. All right. Is there anybody else that

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wishes to speak to council? Please just state your name.

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Let me just restart that name and city of residence

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for the record. Bruce Gibson, resident of Coquitlam, and I

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work quite a bit in Port Moody. I can address

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a couple of items in backwards order to end with

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the one that drew me. Down this evening, 11.6 on

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your agenda, outdoor viewing parties for FIFA. That's awesome. That's

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going to be so much fun. I hope that that

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passes. The three ubcm. Advocacy motions. I'm probably the greatest

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cynic of advocate motions at UBCM, but I read through

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each one of those, and my compliments to your authors.

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I can simply see how each one of those. Benefits

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people in the local community, and so thank you for

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bringing that forward. 7.3 the golden spike, folks, with the

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parking relaxation. During your discussion. If the conversation of. Are

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they seeking private sponsorship from private sector, I can assure

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you, Ms. Van Ass and the Wild Spike Society are

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seeking private sponsorship. Absolutely. They are seeking private sponsorship and

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the one that brought me down is 7.2. The very

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exciting conversation of property. Tax. Much to Mr. Rockwood's consternation.

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I probably know way too much about the property tax.

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I'm a delayed cocktail parties. The second bullet amendment to

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property tax regulations to allow variable property tax rates and

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allow progressive property taxation by tax, class value and use.

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I have to confess, I don't understand that. I know

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that we have different tax rates for different tax classes.

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I live it, breathe it way. Too much. I'd love

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to learn. I'm excited to learn something new about what

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that means. We'll make sure we ask that question. Thank

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you. Thank you. I'll make sure somebody asked that question,

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Mr. Rockwood. Be prepared. To answer that. All right. Anybody

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else wishes to speak? Thank you. Come on down. Yes.

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You know the drill. Two minutes. State your name and

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city residence. I'm just going. To restart the mic because

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I don't want it to turn off for you. Okay?

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All right. Go ahead. Okay. My name is Tracy Schaefer.

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I live in Port Moody. Wow. You guys packed the

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schedule today. And I want to talk about a bunch

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of things, so buckle your seatbelts, okay? Number one item

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11.3. Support, please. Yes, we need more doctors. In fact.

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I don't know if you know this. We barely have

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a walk in clinic at all. In Port Moody. It's

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not a dedicated clinic. The doctor has patience, and sometimes

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it's. Not open at all, so, yes, anything we can

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do to bring doctors to this city, please. Thank you.

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Item 11.8. Yes, I agree that we should be making

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our city walkable. We should be bringing people out. Onto

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the streets. And yes, ground level businesses should be more

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hands on businesses for people to go. To. We want

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to bring people to our sidewalks, and we want to

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bring people spending money, so let's keep our doctors, keep

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our law. Lawyers, keep our cosmetic doctors in the second

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floor and let our people walk around and experience our

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stores. That would be awesome. And 11.7. I actually very

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much support this. I am always. For open and transparent

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government. And I do believe that everybody has a right

471
00:39:51,307 --> 00:39:56,141
to hear their government. Officials speak about their events. I

472
00:39:56,141 --> 00:39:58,501
would only ask that we be very careful in how

473
00:39:58,501 --> 00:40:01,501
these are communicated. I have participated in these kinds of

474
00:40:01,501 --> 00:40:05,221
events, and I have felt intimidated when my point of

475
00:40:05,221 --> 00:40:10,633
view wasn't exactly what the majority. Wanted to express. So

476
00:40:10,633 --> 00:40:13,353
I actually liked the way that the talk was done

477
00:40:13,353 --> 00:40:15,753
last time, and I'd like to sort of see a

478
00:40:15,753 --> 00:40:18,513
hybrid, and maybe if we can try to figure out

479
00:40:18,513 --> 00:40:20,473
a way to. Do it in a way that everybody

480
00:40:20,473 --> 00:40:23,553
feels safe. I think that would be excellent. Thank you

481
00:40:23,553 --> 00:40:29,013
very. Much. Thank you. All right. Please just state your

482
00:40:29,013 --> 00:40:35,039
name and city of residence. John Grassy poor moody. First

483
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:41,028
of all, I'd like to congratulate city manager. And. Staff

484
00:40:41,028 --> 00:40:44,272
for bringing forward. The. I think it's the final stage

485
00:40:44,272 --> 00:40:49,267
of the Parkland strategy. I watched the meeting this afternoon

486
00:40:49,267 --> 00:40:53,272
and. It was good to see get that far. And

487
00:40:53,272 --> 00:40:58,873
congratulations to council for bringing it along. I'm still going

488
00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:03,113
to ask that we get focused on some of the

489
00:41:03,113 --> 00:41:06,996
small neighborhood parks. Especially in Moody center. And I want

490
00:41:06,996 --> 00:41:11,870
to speak more on that another time. I must say

491
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:17,070
I'm a little perplexed on the open communication on the

492
00:41:17,070 --> 00:41:22,787
OCP. I think there's always been hope and communication. I

493
00:41:22,787 --> 00:41:25,907
think what's lacked quite often is an understanding of how

494
00:41:25,907 --> 00:41:30,017
the OCP works. That it is a living document. And

495
00:41:30,017 --> 00:41:35,041
it's flexible. It's a plan, after all. I remember asking

496
00:41:35,041 --> 00:41:37,881
probably ten years ago that we have some public service.

497
00:41:40,092 --> 00:41:44,023
Sessions for the public. On what it is about and

498
00:41:44,023 --> 00:41:47,023
how it fits into the regional context and how it's

499
00:41:47,023 --> 00:41:52,581
different from zone in anyway. I'll drop that one. And

500
00:41:52,581 --> 00:41:56,821
I really wanted to make mention of item 11.8, and

501
00:41:56,821 --> 00:42:00,878
I. For the past year, I've been walking almost daily

502
00:42:00,878 --> 00:42:05,617
through Moody Center. And one of the things which is

503
00:42:05,617 --> 00:42:09,352
very obvious is that. There's lots and lots and lots

504
00:42:09,352 --> 00:42:13,752
of services offered in Port Moody. Unfortunately, we don't. Offer

505
00:42:13,752 --> 00:42:17,892
the goods in the retail outlets and therefore. It's very

506
00:42:17,892 --> 00:42:21,532
uninteresting and it's why we do not get put traffic

507
00:42:21,532 --> 00:42:26,410
and why it's not a destination. So I think 11.8

508
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:28,810
is a step towards addressing that type of issue. Thank

509
00:42:28,810 --> 00:42:34,043
you. Thank you. Good timing. Is there anybody else that

510
00:42:34,043 --> 00:42:38,301
wishes to speak to council at this time? A second

511
00:42:38,301 --> 00:42:42,500
time. Is there anybody else that wants to come down

512
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:47,448
the first time? Come on down, Jackie. Jackie boy report

513
00:42:47,448 --> 00:42:50,888
Moody. I do want to speak strongly in support of

514
00:42:50,888 --> 00:42:56,128
11.7. I think it's absolutely essential that we have such

515
00:42:56,128 --> 00:42:59,830
a meeting. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Anybody else

516
00:42:59,830 --> 00:43:02,790
that wishes to speak to council at this time, I'll

517
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:04,910
call a. Second time. Is there anybody that wishes to

518
00:43:04,910 --> 00:43:07,950
speak to council? Checking online. No one online. Third and

519
00:43:07,950 --> 00:43:13,084
final time. Thank you, everybody. That. Closes the verbal submissions.

520
00:43:14,595 --> 00:43:17,235
Madam Clerk. Are there any written submissions? Not for the

521
00:43:17,235 --> 00:43:20,315
regular agenda. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Which takes

522
00:43:20,315 --> 00:43:22,275
us to the next item, which is adoption of the

523
00:43:22,275 --> 00:43:25,883
minutes. So we have three sets. Of minutes. As a

524
00:43:25,883 --> 00:43:29,723
block. Moved for a seconder. Moved and seconded. All in

525
00:43:29,723 --> 00:43:33,043
favor? Post carried. Thank you. We'll move to the consent

526
00:43:33,043 --> 00:43:39,436
agenda. Okay, councilor hagged your app. I'd like to pull

527
00:43:39,436 --> 00:43:48,667
7.2, please. Okay, that's a good choice. Otherwise, can somebody

528
00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:54,214
move? The rest. I think we usually move it and

529
00:43:54,214 --> 00:44:00,152
then we pull. Councilor Loreki has. I will pull 7.1

530
00:44:00,152 --> 00:44:07,785
the summary of 2025 public engagement for the OCP. Okay,

531
00:44:07,785 --> 00:44:10,985
so 7.1 and 7.2. So that leaves us with 7.3

532
00:44:10,985 --> 00:44:14,712
is. There a mover for that? Moved and seconded. All

533
00:44:14,712 --> 00:44:18,352
in favor? Opposed? Carried. So we'll go to item 7.1

534
00:44:18,352 --> 00:44:22,811
which is councilor Lurbecki. I'll go to you, councilor. Thank

535
00:44:22,811 --> 00:44:27,441
you so. This is the summary of the OCP engagement

536
00:44:27,441 --> 00:44:30,121
results that just happened, that recently happened in the last

537
00:44:30,121 --> 00:44:34,081
month. So I just have some comments. Not really any

538
00:44:34,081 --> 00:44:36,721
questions right now, but thank you very much to staff.

539
00:44:36,721 --> 00:44:41,070
I think it's a great summary report. And really captures,

540
00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:43,630
well, at least what I had heard from the things

541
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:47,563
that I had listened to. Or attended. But I did

542
00:44:47,563 --> 00:44:50,043
want to provide some comments and context related to the

543
00:44:50,043 --> 00:44:53,963
attached engagement summary because I did notice that the max

544
00:44:53,963 --> 00:44:59,072
number of people attending. And that's attending sitting. In the

545
00:44:59,072 --> 00:45:02,352
chamber here, not necessarily providing input at these events. The

546
00:45:02,352 --> 00:45:05,958
Max number was 50 people. The online survey had about

547
00:45:05,958 --> 00:45:12,131
350 people completed just this recent round. So I understand

548
00:45:12,131 --> 00:45:14,211
that this was just intended, I believe, to provide the

549
00:45:14,211 --> 00:45:18,331
2025 results, not all. The previous results. I do hope

550
00:45:18,331 --> 00:45:23,051
that when council gets COCP officially that we have attached

551
00:45:23,051 --> 00:45:26,491
all of the engagement results because I think they're very

552
00:45:26,491 --> 00:45:29,251
important. I just wanted to provide a little bit of

553
00:45:29,251 --> 00:45:33,080
comparison. I went back. To the OCP household surveys that

554
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,640
went out last counsel with the intention to inform the

555
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,760
current draft that we have today. So survey two, in

556
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:47,560
comparison, was 1802 individual survey responses with 1139 hard copy

557
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,880
mail in responses survey three, that was a very specific

558
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,578
land use. Survey that went out to every household had

559
00:45:53,578 --> 00:46:00,746
1271 responses, 644 hard copy. For additional reference, just to

560
00:46:00,746 --> 00:46:02,946
put those into context. When I looked up the number

561
00:46:02,946 --> 00:46:06,946
of survey respondents that are used to draw conclusions, for

562
00:46:06,946 --> 00:46:09,706
example, about how Canadians feel like as a country we're

563
00:46:09,706 --> 00:46:11,746
I think we're about 35 million people or more now,

564
00:46:11,746 --> 00:46:16,885
maybe. Such as regarding the recent federal election. The number

565
00:46:16,885 --> 00:46:18,965
of respondents by looking down at the bottom there, about

566
00:46:18,965 --> 00:46:23,725
1500. Right. And they made statements. Such as, quote, half

567
00:46:23,725 --> 00:46:27,125
of Canadians are blah, blah, blah. So I just want

568
00:46:27,125 --> 00:46:31,078
to draw attention to those surveys again. They are absolutely

569
00:46:31,078 --> 00:46:33,438
incredible response rates for a city of our side. Like,

570
00:46:33,438 --> 00:46:37,278
just a mind blowing response. Rate. And I want to

571
00:46:37,278 --> 00:46:39,878
let the community know that they still matter. They're still

572
00:46:39,878 --> 00:46:44,156
there. To date, just given those numbers and how in

573
00:46:44,156 --> 00:46:47,428
depth they were. I consider them the most important piece

574
00:46:47,428 --> 00:46:51,932
of feedback we have received and. When I'm reviewing the

575
00:46:51,932 --> 00:46:53,612
OCP. It is online for council. You can go and

576
00:46:53,612 --> 00:46:55,492
review. It now. I know we want to get it

577
00:46:55,492 --> 00:46:59,689
officially here. That's what I'm especially going to be looking

578
00:46:59,689 --> 00:47:01,529
for, and I think the community is going to be

579
00:47:01,529 --> 00:47:05,638
asking, where are those surveys? And. How are they reflected

580
00:47:05,638 --> 00:47:08,872
in the OCP? So I understand. That wasn't included here.

581
00:47:08,872 --> 00:47:11,512
I just wanted to ask, I guess mention or assume

582
00:47:11,512 --> 00:47:14,152
that we'll. Be getting a bundle of all the engagement

583
00:47:14,152 --> 00:47:17,700
results. And throw those numbers out there because. They're quite

584
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:21,370
staggering when you really compare them. But, yeah. Thank you

585
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:23,770
very much. It was a great report that was attached

586
00:47:23,770 --> 00:47:27,962
tonight. Are you going to move receipt. Okay, move. Receipt.

587
00:47:27,962 --> 00:47:32,501
Is there a second? Any other. Councilor Knowles. Thank you,

588
00:47:32,501 --> 00:47:36,221
mayor. Yeah, I'm glad this got pulled, because I've been

589
00:47:36,221 --> 00:47:39,221
ruminating on a lot of what we read and viewed.

590
00:47:41,010 --> 00:47:45,095
While I don't necessarily agree with my colleague, That the

591
00:47:45,095 --> 00:47:48,935
surveys from Afreas Council are relevant for reasons we've discussed

592
00:47:48,935 --> 00:47:53,143
at this table several times. And as relate to us

593
00:47:53,143 --> 00:47:56,823
by a survey expert. I would like to say that

594
00:47:56,823 --> 00:48:00,023
there were a few themes that arose from the comments

595
00:48:00,023 --> 00:48:02,983
that were made on this engagement, and I just wanted

596
00:48:02,983 --> 00:48:05,583
to address a few of those themes here. I did

597
00:48:05,583 --> 00:48:08,063
want to assure a lot of the comments you can

598
00:48:08,063 --> 00:48:12,134
tell. They're not regular council watchers, and I know that

599
00:48:12,134 --> 00:48:14,294
sounds like such a weird thing. To say? Because why

600
00:48:14,294 --> 00:48:17,184
would they be? But I think for those of us

601
00:48:17,184 --> 00:48:19,224
who do this day in and day out and are

602
00:48:19,224 --> 00:48:22,254
at all these meetings. It's difficult for us to read

603
00:48:22,254 --> 00:48:23,774
some comments to go. Oh, but we're already doing that.

604
00:48:23,774 --> 00:48:25,734
Oh, we're already doing this. So I just want to

605
00:48:25,734 --> 00:48:28,974
assure a lot of folks out there that we are

606
00:48:28,974 --> 00:48:35,501
working on bringing forward. Response, emergency response plans, traffic plans,

607
00:48:35,501 --> 00:48:41,197
master transportation plans. Things like that. We are doing a

608
00:48:41,197 --> 00:48:46,589
lot of this work already. And yeah, unless you were

609
00:48:46,589 --> 00:48:49,709
a regular council washer, you wouldn't know I wanted to.

610
00:48:49,709 --> 00:48:52,469
Address a couple of specific comments that I agree with

611
00:48:52,469 --> 00:48:56,628
and. We'll be raising with my council colleagues. And that

612
00:48:56,628 --> 00:49:00,747
is the need for additional washrooms. The fact that we

613
00:49:00,747 --> 00:49:03,627
could do better in terms of mentioning the economy, business.

614
00:49:06,322 --> 00:49:11,282
Commerce, tree canopy and reconciliation in our OCP accessibility for

615
00:49:11,282 --> 00:49:15,272
all people. That was a recurring theme. And I wanted

616
00:49:15,272 --> 00:49:17,592
to address this comment that it's not like we're trying

617
00:49:17,592 --> 00:49:19,192
to get rid of cars. We're not saying that cars

618
00:49:19,192 --> 00:49:22,552
don't exist. I understand as a mother of two myself,

619
00:49:22,552 --> 00:49:24,832
man. I do. I am a chauffeur. I am driving.

620
00:49:24,832 --> 00:49:26,992
My kids all over the tri cities for their events.

621
00:49:26,992 --> 00:49:31,352
I know we need cards. The idea of a transit

622
00:49:31,352 --> 00:49:35,422
oriented area. Around our two sky trains is that if

623
00:49:35,422 --> 00:49:37,862
you don't need to take a car, you won't have

624
00:49:37,862 --> 00:49:41,142
to anymore. If we can put these services and amenities

625
00:49:41,142 --> 00:49:44,942
and stores and commercial storefronts rate where people live, people

626
00:49:44,942 --> 00:49:47,542
are less likely to get in their cars. So it's

627
00:49:47,542 --> 00:49:49,462
not as if we're trying to eliminate cars. We're trying

628
00:49:49,462 --> 00:49:53,422
to eliminate the need for cars for future residents if.

629
00:49:54,301 --> 00:49:57,426
At all possible. I assure you, we're looking at taxes

630
00:49:57,426 --> 00:50:01,439
and stability and trying to find ways to reduce. The

631
00:50:01,439 --> 00:50:04,679
stressors to our residents. That is a big concern of

632
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,319
mine. And lastly, I just wanted to kind of talk

633
00:50:07,319 --> 00:50:09,039
about the city of the arts because there were a

634
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:10,879
lot of comments about this and a lot of people.

635
00:50:12,369 --> 00:50:15,169
Not seeing how the city of the arts is being

636
00:50:15,169 --> 00:50:18,769
reflected in the city. And that actually made me very

637
00:50:18,769 --> 00:50:23,243
sad, those comments, because. For me. Artists everywhere I look

638
00:50:23,243 --> 00:50:26,203
in this city, we have pomore arts. I do realize

639
00:50:26,203 --> 00:50:28,203
pomo. Arts isn't on our website, and that is something

640
00:50:28,203 --> 00:50:30,643
that I've brought up. In the past, but I can

641
00:50:30,643 --> 00:50:35,418
assure you, we have so many arts activities, events. We've

642
00:50:35,418 --> 00:50:38,418
got like 90 pieces of public art at this time.

643
00:50:38,418 --> 00:50:41,378
We've got a whole new arts and business council starting.

644
00:50:41,378 --> 00:50:43,778
We had a task force on arts and business last

645
00:50:43,778 --> 00:50:48,237
year. We are living that title, and if you have

646
00:50:48,237 --> 00:50:53,091
any questions. About how we are living, that and where

647
00:50:53,091 --> 00:50:56,668
you can find this art. Please reach out to us

648
00:50:56,668 --> 00:50:58,948
because we'd be glad to point you in the right

649
00:50:58,948 --> 00:51:02,983
direction. That's it for me. Thank you, councilor. All right,

650
00:51:02,983 --> 00:51:05,063
this has been moved and seconded. I will call the

651
00:51:05,063 --> 00:51:08,703
question. All in favor? Opposed? Carried. Thank you very much.

652
00:51:08,703 --> 00:51:11,743
We move to 7.2. I think that was Councilor Agtra.

653
00:51:13,404 --> 00:51:17,848
Hopefully, you get the answers we're looking for. Well, I

654
00:51:17,848 --> 00:51:20,128
will ask the question, but I also have a small

655
00:51:20,128 --> 00:51:24,928
amendment and. I think what I understand bullet two to

656
00:51:24,928 --> 00:51:27,488
be asking or talking about is the land value tax.

657
00:51:27,488 --> 00:51:30,248
Or the way of. But I will turn it over

658
00:51:30,248 --> 00:51:35,507
to staff to actually answer the question because they. Wrote

659
00:51:35,507 --> 00:51:38,686
this excellent resolution. What I'm happy to support with a

660
00:51:38,686 --> 00:51:41,446
small amendment. So do you want to make your amendment.

661
00:51:41,446 --> 00:51:43,891
Yeah. The only thing I would say is the end,

662
00:51:43,891 --> 00:51:46,771
that we send a copy of this resolution to all

663
00:51:46,771 --> 00:51:53,897
UBCM municipalities. Okay, very simple. That's been seconded, okay? So

664
00:51:53,897 --> 00:51:58,270
it's been moved and seconded with that and that. And

665
00:51:58,270 --> 00:52:02,230
if staff could please answer the residents question from the

666
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:06,662
previous. For sure. And Chen, social Planner. I'm the author

667
00:52:06,662 --> 00:52:08,822
of this report, so from what I understood from the

668
00:52:08,822 --> 00:52:11,742
question from the residents. It's about the point number two,

669
00:52:11,742 --> 00:52:15,302
about the progressive. Property taxation and what it means. So

670
00:52:15,302 --> 00:52:19,502
from my understanding about the property taxes coming through, looking

671
00:52:19,502 --> 00:52:22,782
at PC assessment. DC assessment does not do taxation, but

672
00:52:22,782 --> 00:52:26,539
it's the cities that will. Do it. But DC assessment

673
00:52:26,539 --> 00:52:30,059
assesses properties based on class value and use. But at

674
00:52:30,059 --> 00:52:34,368
this time. There's no explicit subcategory for different types of

675
00:52:34,368 --> 00:52:37,808
uses and classes, which may be beneficial if we're looking

676
00:52:37,808 --> 00:52:41,888
at creating subcategories, categories for market rental and affordable housing.

677
00:52:41,888 --> 00:52:45,728
So in that case, we are looking at available tax,

678
00:52:45,728 --> 00:52:49,808
proper taxation based on different classes. And uses and value.

679
00:52:49,808 --> 00:52:54,853
Okay, so including. The use. May I ask a follow

680
00:52:54,853 --> 00:52:56,973
up? Yeah, go ahead. So then, for what I am

681
00:52:56,973 --> 00:53:00,373
understanding, you saying. So right now we have residential, we

682
00:53:00,373 --> 00:53:02,733
have commercial classes, but we have no ability to split

683
00:53:02,733 --> 00:53:08,203
residential. Into different classes that would be, say, residential, but

684
00:53:08,203 --> 00:53:10,843
then there would be, like, nonprofit residential, and that's. Kind

685
00:53:10,843 --> 00:53:14,220
of what you're asking. Okay, thank you. I think Mr.

686
00:53:14,220 --> 00:53:18,490
Rockwood also wanted to jim hin on this. Yeah. Thank

687
00:53:18,490 --> 00:53:21,530
you, madam. So there's two approaches that are discussed in

688
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:25,617
the report. The first one. Is councilor egg drop just

689
00:53:25,617 --> 00:53:28,937
mentioned is the split assessment. So class one would be

690
00:53:28,937 --> 00:53:35,129
split into. Two classes, essentially, so there'd be. Market value

691
00:53:35,129 --> 00:53:37,849
homes, and then there'd be an affordable map of rental.

692
00:53:40,011 --> 00:53:43,449
Home classification, so. This was tried a few years ago

693
00:53:43,449 --> 00:53:45,449
on the business class where they were trying to do

694
00:53:45,449 --> 00:53:50,696
a split assessment, because what happens is BC assessment. Assesses

695
00:53:50,696 --> 00:53:53,951
on the highest and best use. Which could be commercial,

696
00:53:53,951 --> 00:53:56,951
that grade, but then residential above it, but the whole

697
00:53:56,951 --> 00:54:01,488
property gets assessed. At class six. So the approach here

698
00:54:01,488 --> 00:54:05,168
is to split the assessment. The second methodology is the

699
00:54:05,168 --> 00:54:09,229
land. Value taxation. So what happens on a vacant piece

700
00:54:09,229 --> 00:54:11,709
of land? It's assessed at a certain value, but. As

701
00:54:11,709 --> 00:54:14,629
you build on it, you added a building on it,

702
00:54:14,629 --> 00:54:18,069
it increases in value. And then, obviously the taxes go

703
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:21,669
up under the Lvt the land value taxation, it would

704
00:54:21,669 --> 00:54:24,781
remain at the value of the land. So there would

705
00:54:24,781 --> 00:54:28,141
be an incentive to build affordable housing because it wouldn't

706
00:54:28,141 --> 00:54:31,501
change the tax. So those are the two approaches being

707
00:54:31,501 --> 00:54:36,347
discussed. Does that answer your question? Okay. Thank you, Mr.

708
00:54:36,347 --> 00:54:44,735
Rockwood. All right. Has this been moved? Councilor. Yes. All

709
00:54:44,735 --> 00:54:49,615
right, then. Councilor lubic. Honestly, I just wanted to say

710
00:54:49,615 --> 00:54:51,615
that I was so happy. When I read this report.

711
00:54:53,372 --> 00:54:57,332
It's brilliant. And I love that our social planners are

712
00:54:57,332 --> 00:55:00,012
so forward thinking and trying to do this and also

713
00:55:00,012 --> 00:55:02,852
that our finance committee is like, how can we do.

714
00:55:04,845 --> 00:55:06,965
Finance. Lovely folks are like, how can we do affordable

715
00:55:06,965 --> 00:55:11,545
housing? Staff are amazing. Thank you so much for this.

716
00:55:11,545 --> 00:55:15,105
They are amazing. And the question was, when does this

717
00:55:15,105 --> 00:55:16,905
ever happen? When does a staff person bring forward a

718
00:55:16,905 --> 00:55:20,625
UVCM advocacy motion? But I'll tell you what it reminded

719
00:55:20,625 --> 00:55:24,025
me of not too long ago, when we had. I

720
00:55:24,025 --> 00:55:28,145
think it was Laura Sampler, who brought forward a UBCM

721
00:55:28,145 --> 00:55:33,411
adv. Advocacy motion around zero emissions, which then ultimately became

722
00:55:33,411 --> 00:55:39,091
a provincial legislative requirement through the new building code. So

723
00:55:39,091 --> 00:55:42,146
thank you for this. Thank you very much. I don't

724
00:55:42,146 --> 00:55:43,946
see any other comments, so I'll call the question. All

725
00:55:43,946 --> 00:55:47,546
in favor? Opposed. Carried. Thank you. So we'll need to

726
00:55:47,546 --> 00:55:52,952
get. Good speaking notes from when we go to speak

727
00:55:52,952 --> 00:55:57,804
to our mlas on this. Okay, so that takes us.

728
00:55:59,232 --> 00:56:07,286
To new business. So we are at 11.1. That is

729
00:56:07,286 --> 00:56:14,872
the ecom agm voting delegate appointment. Who are you? Can

730
00:56:14,872 --> 00:56:23,653
make that recommendation. I will make it, okay. All right.

731
00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:30,216
Any been moved and seconded? Any comments or questions? Should

732
00:56:30,216 --> 00:56:32,736
we have an alternate? How about, do we have to

733
00:56:32,736 --> 00:56:34,696
appoint an alternate? Or can we say, it's the acting

734
00:56:34,696 --> 00:56:40,123
we have in the past. Okay. All right. Myself and

735
00:56:40,123 --> 00:56:44,210
the acting mayor as the alternate. We will call the

736
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:47,890
question then. All in favor? Opposed? Carried. Thanks, everyone. Now

737
00:56:47,890 --> 00:56:49,970
we're going. To go to 11.2, which is housing as

738
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:53,690
a human right, and I will hand the table over

739
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:58,610
to councilor Lubeck. Thank you so much, and I look

740
00:56:58,610 --> 00:57:01,330
forward to hearing councilor. Dillard's remarks as well. I was

741
00:57:01,330 --> 00:57:05,354
glad to work on this together. So the motion is

742
00:57:05,354 --> 00:57:08,954
whereas recognizing housing as a human right fundamentally shifts government

743
00:57:08,954 --> 00:57:12,634
motivations by adding critical urgency and responsibility to ensure access

744
00:57:12,634 --> 00:57:16,714
to affordable housing through policies that prevent homelessness. Address the

745
00:57:16,714 --> 00:57:21,394
escalating housing costs and homelessness crisis, eliminate discrimination and prioritize

746
00:57:21,394 --> 00:57:25,071
the needs of vulnerable and marginalized, pop. Populations. And whereas

747
00:57:25,071 --> 00:57:27,511
the government of CANADA affirmed the right to housing as

748
00:57:27,511 --> 00:57:32,850
a matter of international law, in, enshrined and domestically. In

749
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:36,570
domestic law through the National Housing Strategy act, recognizing it

750
00:57:36,570 --> 00:57:40,130
as a human right and establishing mechanisms for accountability and

751
00:57:40,130 --> 00:57:43,650
inclusion. Therefore, be it resolved that UBCM call and the

752
00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:45,970
BC government to enshrine housing as a human right in

753
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:49,770
legislation and forthcoming housing and homelessness strategies to ensure that

754
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:52,410
housing policy in British Columbia is grounded in the princi.

755
00:57:52,052 --> 00:57:57,132
Principles of equity, accessibility, accountability. And inherent dignity to all

756
00:57:57,132 --> 00:57:59,732
people. So you've made that motion. Is there a second

757
00:57:59,732 --> 00:58:02,412
or. Seconded. Seconded. Would you like to speak to it,

758
00:58:02,412 --> 00:58:07,403
councilor Lubic? Thank you very. Much. We are joining a

759
00:58:07,403 --> 00:58:13,522
number of municipalities across the province. In this advocacy. As

760
00:58:13,522 --> 00:58:18,335
well as the poverty reduction coalition. We know the housing

761
00:58:18,335 --> 00:58:20,535
is more than just four walls and a roof. It's

762
00:58:20,535 --> 00:58:25,532
a place to live in security, peace and dignity. And

763
00:58:25,532 --> 00:58:29,470
essential the physical and mental health, community and sustainability. And

764
00:58:29,470 --> 00:58:33,350
having an affordable. Suitable and safe place to live. Helps

765
00:58:33,350 --> 00:58:37,221
people and their families succeed and thrive. Everyone should have

766
00:58:37,221 --> 00:58:40,141
access to housing that meets their needs without discrimination or

767
00:58:40,141 --> 00:58:46,109
harassment. Using humans rights based approach to housing reinforces the

768
00:58:46,109 --> 00:58:49,869
expectation that legislation, policies, and programs affecting housing will emphasize

769
00:58:49,869 --> 00:58:54,629
participation, empowerment, accountability, and nondiscrimination while fulfilling the human right

770
00:58:54,629 --> 00:58:58,389
to adequate housing human rightsbased approach focuses on groups with

771
00:58:58,389 --> 00:59:04,548
the greatest need, including people who. With lived experience. Of

772
00:59:04,548 --> 00:59:07,980
housing need and homelessness. Now, how things a human right

773
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:12,823
doesn't mean that governments must provide housing. Although I think

774
00:59:12,823 --> 00:59:17,628
it should. Instead, it means governments must ensure that housing

775
00:59:17,628 --> 00:59:21,308
systems enable everyone to live somewhere in security and peace.

776
00:59:22,994 --> 00:59:26,274
So Canada is in the middle, midst of an ongoing

777
00:59:26,274 --> 00:59:30,954
housing crisis from skyrocketing rents to expanding encampments and the

778
00:59:30,954 --> 00:59:37,121
failure to provide adequate and affordable housing. Has become one

779
00:59:37,121 --> 00:59:40,515
of the most pressing human rights issues. So while the

780
00:59:40,515 --> 00:59:43,595
federal government hasn't spined this as in the whereas as

781
00:59:43,595 --> 00:59:47,635
clauses, it's not in the provincial legislation, and it's critical

782
00:59:47,635 --> 00:59:49,515
that it be so we can actually move forward on

783
00:59:49,515 --> 00:59:55,042
these things. And we have seen that Manitoba's move to

784
00:59:55,042 --> 00:59:58,482
enshrine housing first policies and housing as a human, right?

785
01:00:00,061 --> 01:00:03,457
Has really, actually made progress. In clarity, in red tape

786
01:00:03,457 --> 01:00:08,297
removal, and in ensuring that all policies meet this need.

787
01:00:09,888 --> 01:00:14,888
Thank you. Thank you. Councilor. Councilor Dilworth. Thank you. I

788
01:00:14,888 --> 01:00:17,408
want to say this is. A long time coming. It's

789
01:00:17,408 --> 01:00:20,768
been well over ten years since I heard that word

790
01:00:20,768 --> 01:00:23,248
housing. As a human right. And it was when I

791
01:00:23,248 --> 01:00:27,168
worked with a coalition of nonprofit and co op housing

792
01:00:27,168 --> 01:00:31,225
providers. And we're finally seeing some action, and I don't

793
01:00:31,225 --> 01:00:35,225
know if it's. Because we've had an affordability crisis, because

794
01:00:35,225 --> 01:00:38,505
we've had a cost of home. Delivery crisis. But what

795
01:00:38,505 --> 01:00:42,505
I do see happening is that local governments are taking

796
01:00:42,505 --> 01:00:45,625
action and the federal government has identified some action, and

797
01:00:45,625 --> 01:00:49,413
we really need to prompt our province to come. As

798
01:00:49,413 --> 01:00:52,093
board as well. When I look at the successes that

799
01:00:52,093 --> 01:00:55,493
we've seen in addressing these two separate crises. What I've

800
01:00:55,493 --> 01:00:58,653
seen is a partnership of all levels of government and

801
01:00:58,653 --> 01:01:05,441
quite often community organizations and associations that participate. As well.

802
01:01:05,441 --> 01:01:10,924
And I also want to reiterate councilor Lubig's point. This

803
01:01:10,924 --> 01:01:13,965
is not an isolated conversation that we're having. It's one

804
01:01:13,965 --> 01:01:16,965
that is taking place with those non market housing providers,

805
01:01:16,965 --> 01:01:20,245
with co ops, with our peers across city halls across

806
01:01:20,245 --> 01:01:23,365
the province, and there's no doubt in my mind we're

807
01:01:23,365 --> 01:01:26,085
going to see a number of very similar motions come

808
01:01:26,085 --> 01:01:29,685
forward at UBCM and I think that just speaks to

809
01:01:29,685 --> 01:01:32,965
a louder collection of voices agreeing that this is the

810
01:01:32,965 --> 01:01:34,739
right thing. To do. And it might be one of

811
01:01:34,739 --> 01:01:39,099
those pieces that actually helps us garner traction on additional

812
01:01:39,099 --> 01:01:44,419
initiatives actions. And even funding to help address the housing

813
01:01:44,419 --> 01:01:47,836
crisis that we're facing. So. I'm looking forward to support

814
01:01:47,836 --> 01:01:51,076
from all of our colleagues here and taking it and

815
01:01:51,076 --> 01:01:56,504
beating our drums at UBCM. Looking forward to that. Thank

816
01:01:56,504 --> 01:02:01,121
you, councilor. We've got Councilor Eggtrap. Thank you. And thank

817
01:02:01,121 --> 01:02:03,984
you to my colleagues for. Bringing this forward. I absolutely

818
01:02:03,984 --> 01:02:05,664
believe that this is the direction that we need to

819
01:02:05,664 --> 01:02:11,200
be going. When you think of people. Without safe and

820
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,106
secure housing. It's really better as a society as a

821
01:02:15,106 --> 01:02:16,826
whole, and I think it's a mark of society on.

822
01:02:18,610 --> 01:02:21,370
How we help the most vulnerable people amongst us. And

823
01:02:21,370 --> 01:02:25,210
I do believe that homelessness can be eliminated through the

824
01:02:25,210 --> 01:02:28,410
coordination of all levels of government, sort of rowing the

825
01:02:28,410 --> 01:02:32,070
boat in the same direction. And supporting each other. Not

826
01:02:32,070 --> 01:02:36,937
only through funding, but through aligned policy. So I'm hoping

827
01:02:36,937 --> 01:02:39,497
that with I know this, a similar motion is that

828
01:02:39,497 --> 01:02:43,633
other councils. I think a couple of already passed something

829
01:02:43,633 --> 01:02:47,193
like this, and I hope that collectively I think there's

830
01:02:47,193 --> 01:02:51,703
about ten local governments. That are discussing this that I

831
01:02:51,703 --> 01:02:56,098
hope that collectively. This gets the attention of the province,

832
01:02:56,098 --> 01:02:59,372
and then. The attention of the federal government so that

833
01:02:59,372 --> 01:03:02,212
we can continue to work on this together in a

834
01:03:02,212 --> 01:03:07,052
manner that suits each of our individual communities needs. So

835
01:03:07,052 --> 01:03:11,172
looking forward to the continued advocacy at UBCM thank you,

836
01:03:11,172 --> 01:03:17,345
councilor. Councilor Lebecki. Thank you. I greatly appreciate this. I

837
01:03:17,345 --> 01:03:19,705
agree with everything it says. Absolutely. Housing needs to be

838
01:03:19,705 --> 01:03:24,101
human, right? I will share that. Why I appreciate us

839
01:03:24,101 --> 01:03:29,086
going and advocating on this. Sometimes. Maybe these advocacy motions.

840
01:03:29,086 --> 01:03:32,446
The first thing that pops into my mind is, yes,

841
01:03:32,446 --> 01:03:35,446
we can ask. The province. But we control so much,

842
01:03:35,446 --> 01:03:38,126
we can make sure we have an affordable housing bylaw.

843
01:03:38,126 --> 01:03:40,166
And then we can enforce it. We can make sure

844
01:03:40,166 --> 01:03:43,526
we don't make planning decisions that cause land speculation or.

845
01:03:45,632 --> 01:03:49,323
Increases land value. That are unnecessary. We can make sure

846
01:03:49,323 --> 01:03:52,083
that we only approve housing developments that truly meet our

847
01:03:52,083 --> 01:03:54,443
housing needs and not ones, for example, that have zero

848
01:03:54,443 --> 01:03:59,230
affordable housing. So I appreciate this. I just want to

849
01:03:59,230 --> 01:04:02,990
remind our council, all councils. So much still lies with

850
01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:05,910
us. So much responsibility. Is right here at this table,

851
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:08,630
and we have a lot of control still. So, yes,

852
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:10,670
let's. Advocate to the province, but let's make sure that

853
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:13,510
we're doing these things. And treating housing like a human

854
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:17,991
right at this table. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. I

855
01:04:17,991 --> 01:04:20,311
don't see any other hand, so I'm going to call

856
01:04:20,311 --> 01:04:23,831
the question all in favor? Opposed? Carried. Thank you. Which

857
01:04:23,831 --> 01:04:27,064
takes us to 11.3. What do you want to do?

858
01:04:30,223 --> 01:04:35,457
Coin toss. You can start us off. Councilor lubic. This

859
01:04:35,457 --> 01:04:38,697
is a joint advocacy motion from the councillor. And myself.

860
01:04:40,391 --> 01:04:42,751
Thank you so much. So I'll skip the whereas this

861
01:04:42,751 --> 01:04:47,442
time. But therefore be it result that the province work

862
01:04:47,442 --> 01:04:51,762
with local governments. The province provincial and local divisions. Of

863
01:04:51,762 --> 01:04:56,722
family practice and developers to encourage or require considerations of

864
01:04:56,722 --> 01:05:00,162
community health clinic spaces in new development including, but not

865
01:05:00,162 --> 01:05:05,664
limited to providing provincial health infrastructure funding and subsid. Subsidies,

866
01:05:05,664 --> 01:05:09,944
provincially leased spaces, and connections between physicians and healthcare workers

867
01:05:09,944 --> 01:05:13,344
to understand and address community needs. Within new spaces and

868
01:05:13,344 --> 01:05:17,704
that the province explicitly include funding for community health spaces

869
01:05:17,704 --> 01:05:24,288
in eligible amenity cost charge benefits. Thank you. So I'll

870
01:05:24,288 --> 01:05:26,048
speak a little, and then I'll come back to you,

871
01:05:26,048 --> 01:05:31,154
councilor. First of all, I want to thank councilor Lubic.

872
01:05:33,038 --> 01:05:36,238
For bringing this to my attention and for asking me.

873
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,431
To co sponsor this. I think that what we're talking

874
01:05:41,431 --> 01:05:44,751
about really is a space bottleneck, and I know that

875
01:05:44,751 --> 01:05:47,834
the province has been doing a lot of work. Around

876
01:05:47,834 --> 01:05:54,034
the longitudinal family physician payment model, fee enhancements, team based

877
01:05:54,034 --> 01:05:59,081
funding. These have really helped to improve the issues that

878
01:05:59,081 --> 01:06:05,372
we have because. It's multifaceted, but. This is really sort

879
01:06:05,372 --> 01:06:08,092
of to address that, what has been described as the

880
01:06:08,092 --> 01:06:13,973
space bottleneck. And we have over 700,000 British Columbians who

881
01:06:13,973 --> 01:06:16,773
lack a family physician and part of the problem is

882
01:06:16,773 --> 01:06:19,453
that there is no place for these doctors to open

883
01:06:19,453 --> 01:06:24,039
up a practice. It's. Too expensive. There's. A number of

884
01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:29,449
myriad of. Different reasons why. But. I think that it

885
01:06:29,449 --> 01:06:32,089
starts here advocating for that, and also it puts it

886
01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:34,969
on the radar for us to consider when we are

887
01:06:34,969 --> 01:06:39,912
talking to developers that come forward. And. The motion that's

888
01:06:39,912 --> 01:06:44,875
following, I believe is around. There's a motion coming up

889
01:06:44,875 --> 01:06:52,393
around that councilor Agtrap has brought forward. Around. Businesses and

890
01:06:52,393 --> 01:06:54,873
placing those types of businesses on the second floor, and

891
01:06:54,873 --> 01:06:57,753
those conversations continue to take place. But it really kind

892
01:06:57,753 --> 01:07:03,475
of elevates it to a point where it's like, We're

893
01:07:03,475 --> 01:07:08,570
taking a stand publicly. So, councilor lubic. I'll give you

894
01:07:08,570 --> 01:07:10,810
an opportunity to speak to it as well. Thank you

895
01:07:10,810 --> 01:07:14,222
so much. Van and mayor so a few months ago,

896
01:07:14,222 --> 01:07:17,302
I had the opportunity to be at quality forum on

897
01:07:17,302 --> 01:07:21,914
a panel. With someone that was talking about how do

898
01:07:21,914 --> 01:07:26,792
cities. And health providers work together, and it was really

899
01:07:26,792 --> 01:07:28,912
interesting. I was also surprised that the room was full.

900
01:07:30,754 --> 01:07:33,234
But it was great to see how much engagement there

901
01:07:33,234 --> 01:07:35,754
was and how much interest there was in working together

902
01:07:35,754 --> 01:07:37,954
and people actually being like, I think this would help.

903
01:07:37,954 --> 01:07:41,086
I think that would help. And so myself and the

904
01:07:41,086 --> 01:07:43,486
mayor had the opportunity to meet with some folks from

905
01:07:43,486 --> 01:07:46,366
the BC divisions. Of family practice, and it's been really

906
01:07:46,366 --> 01:07:50,086
helpful to help us just start understanding each other's. Needs,

907
01:07:50,086 --> 01:07:53,805
how we can work together, what we could do. And

908
01:07:53,805 --> 01:07:56,845
we're facing the same challenges from different angles. So we

909
01:07:56,845 --> 01:07:59,045
are living in a world with complex problems where we

910
01:07:59,045 --> 01:08:02,285
don't have simple solutions. But we can start somewhere and

911
01:08:02,285 --> 01:08:05,685
we can understand where some of the bottlenecks are. As

912
01:08:05,685 --> 01:08:08,445
the mayor said, we are facing a primary care crisis.

913
01:08:10,904 --> 01:08:14,624
The provincial population is growing at 1.7% a year and

914
01:08:14,624 --> 01:08:18,529
without a regular family. Doctor patients turn to walk in

915
01:08:18,529 --> 01:08:23,044
clinics, which we don't always have. Emergency departments or virtual

916
01:08:23,044 --> 01:08:26,712
providers, and none of that is. Continuous on the continuum

917
01:08:26,712 --> 01:08:29,952
of care, and so it doesn't provide preventative care, it

918
01:08:29,952 --> 01:08:33,272
doesn't provide chronic disease management, and this can lead to

919
01:08:33,272 --> 01:08:38,890
delayed diagnosis and unmanaged conditions. At the same time, municipalities

920
01:08:38,890 --> 01:08:41,930
are facing infrastructure challenges, and we've had this conversation around

921
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:45,521
the table a lot as we are growing. We hear

922
01:08:45,521 --> 01:08:48,931
from our residents. That we have a lack of health

923
01:08:48,931 --> 01:08:52,691
infrastructure, and so how can we face those challenges together?

924
01:08:54,116 --> 01:08:57,636
And we know that through our provincial mandates, we're going

925
01:08:57,636 --> 01:08:59,756
to be having more density and we are going to

926
01:08:59,756 --> 01:09:02,636
be having more density anyway, so it's important to be

927
01:09:02,636 --> 01:09:06,661
looking for. Those ways that we can work together to

928
01:09:06,661 --> 01:09:09,949
find those spaces and. We do have been working. We

929
01:09:09,949 --> 01:09:14,669
have been directing our economic development staff to look for

930
01:09:14,669 --> 01:09:19,251
to work. With some of the developers. On. Trying to

931
01:09:19,251 --> 01:09:25,233
find health anchor tenants. But this is another but. Again.

932
01:09:25,233 --> 01:09:27,873
It's that funding piece and the space piece that we

933
01:09:27,873 --> 01:09:29,913
keep coming up against when we talk to the doctors.

934
01:09:29,913 --> 01:09:33,939
It's just very expensive to find spaces. And the final

935
01:09:33,939 --> 01:09:39,268
part of this motion. Is, as we have these new

936
01:09:39,268 --> 01:09:43,505
mechanisms, the acc. They're supposed to be used to help

937
01:09:43,505 --> 01:09:46,345
fund a variety of community amenities in response to population

938
01:09:46,345 --> 01:09:51,305
growth and development, such as community centers, recreation facilities, libraries,

939
01:09:51,305 --> 01:09:54,145
and a big grab bag of things. That says support

940
01:09:54,145 --> 01:09:58,934
livable and complete communities. In areas of growth. But it

941
01:09:58,934 --> 01:10:02,134
doesn't specifically talk about health spaces. And so that would

942
01:10:02,134 --> 01:10:04,934
be a really important tool to have as well. Thank

943
01:10:04,934 --> 01:10:08,370
you, councilor. I don't see any of their hands up,

944
01:10:08,370 --> 01:10:11,243
so. This has been moved and seconded. I'll call the

945
01:10:11,243 --> 01:10:14,683
question. All in favor? Opposed? Carried. Thank you. Which brings

946
01:10:14,683 --> 01:10:18,323
us to item 11.4, request for provincial reform on school

947
01:10:18,323 --> 01:10:22,068
planning. I think this is you, Councilor Morrison. Thank you,

948
01:10:22,068 --> 01:10:23,588
mayor. I'm going to read the whole thing just because

949
01:10:23,588 --> 01:10:25,908
it's a short one, if that's all right, that the

950
01:10:25,908 --> 01:10:30,028
following resolution be submitted to 2025 UPCm. I'll skip to

951
01:10:30,028 --> 01:10:33,868
the next part. Whereas the province has mandated significant increases

952
01:10:33,868 --> 01:10:37,348
in housing, provisions as of 2024 to address the housing

953
01:10:37,348 --> 01:10:42,559
availability and affordability crisis requiring growth in areas beyond. Municipality's

954
01:10:42,559 --> 01:10:46,479
original density plans. And whereas schools across British Columbia are

955
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,679
at capacity with enrollment based planning, failing to account for

956
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:54,959
future growth, resulting in delayed school infrastructure despite municipalities being

957
01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:58,279
required to complete housing units under the Housing Supply act

958
01:10:58,279 --> 01:11:02,576
without corresponding adjustments to school planning timelines. Therefore, be it

959
01:11:02,576 --> 01:11:05,256
resolved that the BC government amend their school planning and

960
01:11:05,256 --> 01:11:08,456
funding policies so that schools are built and ready for

961
01:11:08,456 --> 01:11:13,816
occupancy based on projected population numbers and or legislated. Growth

962
01:11:13,816 --> 01:11:18,856
targets ensuring timely school infrastructure development in municipalities affected by

963
01:11:18,856 --> 01:11:23,152
rapid housing growth, including but not limited. To communities with

964
01:11:23,152 --> 01:11:27,912
transit oriented areas and Housing Supply act requirements and that

965
01:11:27,912 --> 01:11:30,392
staff be directed to forward a copy of this resolution

966
01:11:30,392 --> 01:11:34,512
to the provincial ministers involved in education and municipal affairs.

967
01:11:34,512 --> 01:11:38,527
I'd like to move that if possible there. Seconder. Thank

968
01:11:38,527 --> 01:11:41,987
you, council. So. Yes, I would. Very much so. Thank

969
01:11:41,987 --> 01:11:45,534
you. This is not the first time I've brought up

970
01:11:45,534 --> 01:11:47,974
the challenges that we have with the fact that port

971
01:11:47,974 --> 01:11:51,494
moody, amongst many, many other communities across the province, not

972
01:11:51,494 --> 01:11:53,974
just once the sky train stations, but even ones with

973
01:11:53,974 --> 01:11:58,774
small transit hubs are facing in regards to density. And

974
01:11:58,774 --> 01:12:01,534
I certainly hope that this is not the only version

975
01:12:01,534 --> 01:12:03,854
of this motion being put forward by our fellow cities.

976
01:12:04,398 --> 01:12:07,718
Across the province to the upcoming UBCM convention in Victoria

977
01:12:07,718 --> 01:12:10,598
because it does affect so many I believe this motion

978
01:12:10,598 --> 01:12:13,958
speaks clearly and highlights the extreme challenges that residents of

979
01:12:13,958 --> 01:12:17,698
our community. And communities like ours are going to have

980
01:12:17,698 --> 01:12:20,738
as part of the unexpected and forced densification. That the

981
01:12:20,738 --> 01:12:24,698
provincial government has pushed on cities with transit hubs. This

982
01:12:24,698 --> 01:12:27,018
motion is written to highlight just one of the challenges

983
01:12:27,018 --> 01:12:29,978
that cities like ours, with two sky train stations and

984
01:12:29,978 --> 01:12:33,738
minimum densities mandated by the province, by the provincial government

985
01:12:33,738 --> 01:12:38,264
around these stations. The province ruled bills 44 and 47

986
01:12:38,264 --> 01:12:42,637
out. With really no consultation with local municipalities to hear

987
01:12:42,637 --> 01:12:46,854
what issues would be experienced by making. These density areas.

988
01:12:48,546 --> 01:12:50,626
And making sure that they're able to provide what they

989
01:12:50,626 --> 01:12:52,626
need to provide. And that would be, of course, inclusive

990
01:12:52,626 --> 01:12:58,266
of things like schools, hospitals, extend housing as needed for

991
01:12:58,266 --> 01:13:02,465
supportive housing. So for the cities, we have to do

992
01:13:02,465 --> 01:13:05,860
things like. Park spaces, an appropriate amount of park spaces,

993
01:13:05,860 --> 01:13:10,116
which we just talked about earlier this evening. Roads, recreation

994
01:13:10,116 --> 01:13:13,836
centers are going to be needed, fields, arenas, et cetera.

995
01:13:15,231 --> 01:13:17,991
And unfortunately, there is no provision or change that I've

996
01:13:17,991 --> 01:13:19,991
heard of from the province in how they're going to

997
01:13:19,991 --> 01:13:23,111
plan to provide these school spaces based on the timelines

998
01:13:23,111 --> 01:13:26,431
that they've put, especially for cities like ours that are

999
01:13:26,431 --> 01:13:28,231
part of the Housing Supply act, where we have a

1000
01:13:28,231 --> 01:13:30,711
certain amount of population we need to accommodate by a

1001
01:13:30,711 --> 01:13:33,391
certain date, and they do. Not have a plan in

1002
01:13:33,391 --> 01:13:35,498
place to be able to make sure that school. Schools

1003
01:13:35,498 --> 01:13:37,698
are provided to meet that target on the date in

1004
01:13:37,698 --> 01:13:40,058
which those targets are due. So I'm hoping that they

1005
01:13:40,058 --> 01:13:42,848
will change their planning process. This is not out of

1006
01:13:42,848 --> 01:13:44,568
the in ordinary. This is how things have been done

1007
01:13:44,568 --> 01:13:46,688
for the longest. Time. They wait until there's a need

1008
01:13:46,688 --> 01:13:48,368
and they're at capacity, then they build. A school at

1009
01:13:48,368 --> 01:13:51,488
that point if they're going to force and mandate housing

1010
01:13:51,488 --> 01:13:53,728
numbers upon our cities. They need to make sure they're

1011
01:13:53,728 --> 01:13:57,208
providing all the provisions, health care as well as schools

1012
01:13:57,208 --> 01:13:59,608
by the time those are due. That's my report on

1013
01:13:59,608 --> 01:14:03,182
that. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor. We'll go to Councilor

1014
01:14:03,182 --> 01:14:06,782
Knowles. Thank you. Just wanted to thank my colleague for

1015
01:14:06,782 --> 01:14:11,340
bringing this forward. He mentioned at one point that. This

1016
01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:13,260
is not the first time he's brought this forward. It's

1017
01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:15,260
certainly not the first time this council has even brought

1018
01:14:15,260 --> 01:14:17,300
this forward. I think we've brought it forward at every

1019
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:20,900
UBCM. We've met twice with education ministers. Two different education

1020
01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:25,140
ministers about this. We are meeting regularly with our local,

1021
01:14:25,140 --> 01:14:27,540
our district school board. I can tell you they are

1022
01:14:27,540 --> 01:14:29,620
just as frustrated as we are, and we are in

1023
01:14:29,620 --> 01:14:33,328
this together. And we are working, trying to work the

1024
01:14:33,328 --> 01:14:37,857
problem. But we need provincial. Support here. I struggle a

1025
01:14:37,857 --> 01:14:46,496
bit. With. How the province allocates. Allocates funding. I mean,

1026
01:14:46,496 --> 01:14:49,616
I'm sure anyone who's been paying attention to the news

1027
01:14:49,616 --> 01:14:53,136
knows that the NDP is currently defending itself about new

1028
01:14:53,136 --> 01:14:55,456
reports and the dramatic increase in public sector employees and

1029
01:14:55,456 --> 01:14:58,016
the cost of payroll right now. And it's really hard.

1030
01:15:01,109 --> 01:15:03,789
When communities like ours are struggling to provide affordable housing,

1031
01:15:03,789 --> 01:15:06,989
we're struggling to provide sufficient doctors in health care and

1032
01:15:06,989 --> 01:15:13,825
schools. So I appreciate the fact that councilor Morrison. Has

1033
01:15:13,825 --> 01:15:17,425
kind of further targeted this ask by mentioning the specific

1034
01:15:17,425 --> 01:15:21,540
transit oriented areas in housing supply act. Requirements. And if

1035
01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:23,620
we have to keep beating this drum every year, then

1036
01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:28,297
so be it, because. We're students, and our kids deserve

1037
01:15:28,297 --> 01:15:36,272
the best. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Councilor eichra. Thank

1038
01:15:36,272 --> 01:15:41,135
you. I appreciate the tenacity in bringing this forward. I'm

1039
01:15:41,135 --> 01:15:45,019
right there with you on another matter. But we'll get

1040
01:15:45,019 --> 01:15:50,131
there. But. I think the answer that we had in

1041
01:15:50,131 --> 01:15:51,971
the past is like, this is, or at least from

1042
01:15:51,971 --> 01:15:56,378
the school board because. Their hands are tied in a

1043
01:15:56,378 --> 01:15:58,738
sense of like, well, it's always being done this way.

1044
01:15:58,738 --> 01:16:02,130
Is no longer good enough and. There's a lot of

1045
01:16:02,130 --> 01:16:04,130
technology has changed. There's a lot of ways, I think,

1046
01:16:04,130 --> 01:16:08,844
that. We in the school board? And the Ministry of

1047
01:16:08,844 --> 01:16:15,454
Education can be more proactive. In planning. For that need.

1048
01:16:15,454 --> 01:16:18,214
And I understand the concern that there has been in

1049
01:16:18,214 --> 01:16:24,134
the past of building things. And then the associated influx

1050
01:16:24,134 --> 01:16:28,742
of residents. Haven't materialized. And so my understanding is there

1051
01:16:28,742 --> 01:16:32,462
hesitation around building things. But I do think that there

1052
01:16:32,462 --> 01:16:36,518
is opportunity. To move forward in such a way that.

1053
01:16:41,139 --> 01:16:43,219
We're not behind the eight ball always and that we're

1054
01:16:43,219 --> 01:16:48,139
not always having schools. Open or even schools under construction,

1055
01:16:48,139 --> 01:16:50,939
knowing that there will be full capacity the day they

1056
01:16:50,939 --> 01:16:54,619
open. So I appreciate councilor Morrison, bringing this forward and.

1057
01:16:56,138 --> 01:16:57,818
I hope. And I was just thinking about this. For

1058
01:16:57,818 --> 01:17:02,218
all our UBCM resolutions, it's. Too late to make the

1059
01:17:02,218 --> 01:17:04,907
amendment for some of them, but. Can we package them

1060
01:17:04,907 --> 01:17:08,027
up and share them with other municipalities? Because I don't

1061
01:17:08,027 --> 01:17:11,627
think that we're not alone in this. We're not alone

1062
01:17:11,627 --> 01:17:14,787
in any of the UBCM. Resolutions. There's all of the

1063
01:17:14,787 --> 01:17:19,667
communities in BC are facing the same, if not similar

1064
01:17:19,667 --> 01:17:23,507
or similar, if not the same, challenges. And I think

1065
01:17:23,507 --> 01:17:28,005
there is. Power in collectively going forward and having joint

1066
01:17:28,005 --> 01:17:32,005
sponsors of motion. So if there's an opportunity to do

1067
01:17:32,005 --> 01:17:34,485
joint advocacy. I think we should take it. Thank you.

1068
01:17:36,094 --> 01:17:38,414
I guess what we'll do is we'll find out when

1069
01:17:38,414 --> 01:17:45,995
we get to LMLGA. Or. Not lmlj. They've already had

1070
01:17:45,995 --> 01:17:50,351
it. When we get to ubcm. What other municipalities have

1071
01:17:50,351 --> 01:17:55,784
submitted. Similar advocacy because. There's always a number of them,

1072
01:17:55,784 --> 01:17:59,657
so we can also join forces there. Okay.

1073
01:18:07,684 --> 01:18:11,514
Yeah. I don't know if we have time for that

1074
01:18:11,514 --> 01:18:14,754
to do a joint sponsored resolution, but. We'll give it

1075
01:18:14,754 --> 01:18:19,512
a shot. All right? Yeah. LMLJ is coming on. Okay,

1076
01:18:19,512 --> 01:18:22,232
so there aren't any other questions? Or any other hands

1077
01:18:22,232 --> 01:18:24,952
up. So I'll call the question. All in favor? Opposed?

1078
01:18:24,952 --> 01:18:30,537
Carried. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Morrison, for that. Which

1079
01:18:30,537 --> 01:18:33,137
brings us to the next item, which is my motion.

1080
01:18:34,671 --> 01:18:37,351
I'm going to move that the city establish a pilot

1081
01:18:37,351 --> 01:18:40,311
program for a local transit service. To run a shuttle

1082
01:18:40,311 --> 01:18:43,191
bus to connect the inlet center and parts of Moody

1083
01:18:43,191 --> 01:18:46,191
center to Rocky Point. Park on Fridays, Saturday and Sunday

1084
01:18:46,191 --> 01:18:50,831
afternoons evenings, with additional services for potential FIFA games that

1085
01:18:50,831 --> 01:18:54,271
are identified and that this service run from June 1,

1086
01:18:54,271 --> 01:19:03,774
2020. Six to August 31, 2026. Did I? This is

1087
01:19:03,774 --> 01:19:13,188
11.5. That's what I'm on. And. That.

1088
01:19:14,515 --> 01:19:19,390
Status. Okay, staff, report back by September 2025. With a

1089
01:19:19,390 --> 01:19:22,950
project plan and cost estimates for establishing this pilot shoreline

1090
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:25,590
shuttle service and that this service be paid for from

1091
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:28,430
a portion of the pay parking revenues and that staff

1092
01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:32,070
report back in October. 2026 with a report outlining this

1093
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:35,710
service, including ridership. So this is after the fact. To

1094
01:19:35,710 --> 01:19:37,830
determine if this pilot project is to be made permanent.

1095
01:19:39,187 --> 01:19:44,182
Okay. Thank you. So I'm going to just provide a

1096
01:19:44,182 --> 01:19:49,854
little bit of background. And. Some of the conversations that

1097
01:19:49,854 --> 01:19:56,811
I've been having. My conversations with staff. On the understanding

1098
01:19:56,811 --> 01:19:59,491
that these types of things take time to get up

1099
01:19:59,491 --> 01:20:02,531
and running. So if there was a possibility to get

1100
01:20:02,531 --> 01:20:05,451
it going earlier. I'm sure if this was approved by

1101
01:20:05,451 --> 01:20:08,011
council. For next year. I'm sure council would be open

1102
01:20:08,011 --> 01:20:11,131
to that, but at this point, wanting to give staff

1103
01:20:11,131 --> 01:20:15,138
enough time to get their project plan together. In my

1104
01:20:15,138 --> 01:20:18,218
conversations with staff, there are a lot of things that

1105
01:20:18,218 --> 01:20:21,822
have already been done. We already have signage. We've already

1106
01:20:21,822 --> 01:20:24,422
got, so a lot of the main costs have already.

1107
01:20:24,422 --> 01:20:27,916
Been covered in the previous project. There may be some

1108
01:20:27,916 --> 01:20:32,247
tweaking done to do here and there, but. They basically

1109
01:20:32,247 --> 01:20:34,807
have got the sort of, I guess, template for a

1110
01:20:34,807 --> 01:20:37,887
plan. So I think that it's reasonable. And stuff, in

1111
01:20:37,887 --> 01:20:43,050
my conversations with them, thought it was reasonable. To take

1112
01:20:43,050 --> 01:20:47,720
this approach. And if there are any other questions. Around

1113
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,231
this item. I'd be happy to answer them, but I

1114
01:20:52,231 --> 01:20:56,671
will go to. I've got lots. Of people. Councilor Dillworth,

1115
01:20:56,671 --> 01:20:59,841
thank you. And thank you for bringing this forward. Merlotti.

1116
01:20:59,841 --> 01:21:01,481
I've been waiting for this to come back to the

1117
01:21:01,481 --> 01:21:05,546
table. We did a one year project a number of

1118
01:21:05,546 --> 01:21:08,346
years ago, and I've had some successes. And it had

1119
01:21:08,346 --> 01:21:13,423
some challenges, and I think as a community now, We're

1120
01:21:13,423 --> 01:21:16,743
much more better established to bring back a shuttle. I've

1121
01:21:16,743 --> 01:21:20,289
been talking to people as recently as. The town hall

1122
01:21:20,289 --> 01:21:22,329
meeting that we had on parks. I was talking with

1123
01:21:22,329 --> 01:21:24,769
a younger couple that said, I remember that. Is that

1124
01:21:24,769 --> 01:21:27,609
going to come back soon? So I'm excited to see

1125
01:21:27,609 --> 01:21:31,635
this. If my recollection is correct. The last time that

1126
01:21:31,635 --> 01:21:35,315
we undertook this, there was up to 1000 people on

1127
01:21:35,315 --> 01:21:40,035
a weekend utilizing that. Shuttle. I mean, that's not insignificant

1128
01:21:40,035 --> 01:21:42,835
when you think of how many cars those people would.

1129
01:21:42,835 --> 01:21:46,491
Be taking up. I also want to ask, in your

1130
01:21:46,491 --> 01:21:50,832
conversations with staff, Excuse me. Part of the success of

1131
01:21:50,832 --> 01:21:55,792
our previous shuttle service was that of private sponsorship, and

1132
01:21:55,792 --> 01:21:59,392
there was a significant chunk of money that was donated

1133
01:21:59,392 --> 01:22:03,312
to the city to provide for things like vehicular maintenance

1134
01:22:03,312 --> 01:22:07,122
fuel paying a driver. I'm wondering if you can tell

1135
01:22:07,122 --> 01:22:10,082
us, mayor, if you've had discussions with staff. Or if

1136
01:22:10,082 --> 01:22:12,962
the concept of private sponsorship has been raised as well.

1137
01:22:14,714 --> 01:22:20,425
Yes, and of course. If those opportunities present themselves and.

1138
01:22:22,307 --> 01:22:24,267
If I have the opportunity to actually secure some of

1139
01:22:24,267 --> 01:22:29,154
that. We can use those things as well. My feeling.

1140
01:22:30,725 --> 01:22:33,965
Going forward was we need to at least have a

1141
01:22:33,965 --> 01:22:37,765
source of payment in case those funds don't come through.

1142
01:22:37,765 --> 01:22:41,005
Okay, what we're hearing right now around sponsorship for events

1143
01:22:41,005 --> 01:22:43,485
and for different things in the city. Is that that

1144
01:22:43,485 --> 01:22:47,533
money? Is not as forthcoming as it was five or

1145
01:22:47,533 --> 01:22:53,714
six years ago. Understandable. I think it's important that. We

1146
01:22:53,714 --> 01:22:58,676
have the ability to pay for this service. And. It's

1147
01:22:58,676 --> 01:23:02,819
not a lot of money. It's about $8,000. Once, and

1148
01:23:02,819 --> 01:23:08,750
the original one was about. 40 and 50,000, but. A

1149
01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:10,470
lot of that money has already been spent, and that

1150
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:12,350
was on signage and things like that. So we wouldn't

1151
01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:17,727
be expending that much. That much in terms of. 50,000.

1152
01:23:18,551 --> 01:23:20,271
There will likely be a portion of that that would

1153
01:23:20,271 --> 01:23:24,154
have to be reinvested, but. We're talking less than 10,000.

1154
01:23:24,154 --> 01:23:31,985
That's great. Thank you. Councilor Agtrap. Thank you. Some of

1155
01:23:31,985 --> 01:23:35,466
my questions have been answered. Like partnerships, one, and then

1156
01:23:35,466 --> 01:23:37,786
just about the success of the shuttle in the past

1157
01:23:37,786 --> 01:23:42,825
and. It sounds like we have information on that. I'm

1158
01:23:42,825 --> 01:23:46,378
just curious. Can that be shared with us? And sort

1159
01:23:46,378 --> 01:23:50,631
of what were the past challenges? That shuttle experience that

1160
01:23:50,631 --> 01:23:55,387
you alluded to. Great. Sorry. What was the challenge? It

1161
01:23:55,387 --> 01:23:57,427
sounds like it was pretty successful, but there were still

1162
01:23:57,427 --> 01:24:02,967
challenges. I think that only having a very short period

1163
01:24:02,967 --> 01:24:07,381
of time. The challenge, I think, was. Getting. The increase

1164
01:24:07,381 --> 01:24:10,713
in ridership that we were hoping for. The awareness of

1165
01:24:10,713 --> 01:24:13,873
it. Yeah, the awareness of it. So I think that,

1166
01:24:13,873 --> 01:24:18,193
but in retrospect, when sort of getting the comments back

1167
01:24:18,193 --> 01:24:20,946
from the community around. When are you going to bring

1168
01:24:20,946 --> 01:24:23,146
that back? And during the election, there was a lot

1169
01:24:23,146 --> 01:24:26,466
of discussion. Like, at the doorstep about this. I really

1170
01:24:26,466 --> 01:24:30,030
want that. I think that the awareness is there, and

1171
01:24:30,030 --> 01:24:32,630
I think that people, I think that hopefully will have

1172
01:24:32,630 --> 01:24:35,310
a good uptake on this. This doesn't in any way

1173
01:24:35,310 --> 01:24:39,950
preclude encouraging other modes of transportation, of course, like getting

1174
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:43,830
people to take sky trains, for instance. That's there. Already,

1175
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:48,190
right? And just remind me, the loop was, like, from

1176
01:24:48,190 --> 01:24:52,110
here, like, from city hall area to Rocky Point. And

1177
01:24:52,110 --> 01:24:54,230
then did it go to Moody center sky train as

1178
01:24:54,230 --> 01:24:58,561
well? It looped through Moody center, so, yeah, I mean,

1179
01:24:58,561 --> 01:25:00,921
staff will come back with a plan on what the

1180
01:25:00,921 --> 01:25:03,161
route might look like. It'll probably be different than the

1181
01:25:03,161 --> 01:25:05,921
original one because the original one, I think went up

1182
01:25:05,921 --> 01:25:07,521
to pleasant side, so I think it's going to be

1183
01:25:07,521 --> 01:25:09,561
a little shorter of a route where people will have

1184
01:25:09,561 --> 01:25:13,122
to find their way here. And then make their way

1185
01:25:13,122 --> 01:25:15,722
down there. So it's going to be basically or potentially

1186
01:25:15,722 --> 01:25:21,211
a loop. From this area down. Through to Rocky Point

1187
01:25:21,211 --> 01:25:23,811
and then up through Moody center and back. Okay, great.

1188
01:25:23,811 --> 01:25:26,451
I look forward to seeing whatever the next steps are.

1189
01:25:26,451 --> 01:25:28,891
Thank you. So we would get something back from staff

1190
01:25:28,891 --> 01:25:36,107
in September. On that. Councilor Lebecki. Thank you. So I

1191
01:25:36,107 --> 01:25:39,067
definitely appreciate the intention here, but I do want to

1192
01:25:39,067 --> 01:25:41,307
talk a little bit more about what I could see

1193
01:25:41,307 --> 01:25:43,227
as some of the challenges, the past challenges, and what

1194
01:25:43,227 --> 01:25:46,787
we could be facing. So back in 2018, as Amir

1195
01:25:46,787 --> 01:25:50,187
indicated, the cost was $50,000. And I think it actually

1196
01:25:50,187 --> 01:25:55,330
had run for three months. At the time. And with

1197
01:25:55,330 --> 01:25:59,210
that ridership, that worked out to $13.50 a ride. And

1198
01:25:59,210 --> 01:26:01,130
when I look up Uber. It's $11 to go to

1199
01:26:01,130 --> 01:26:03,930
the park, so I think that's. Important I'm hearing, which

1200
01:26:03,930 --> 01:26:06,650
makes me feel quite a bit better. A claim of

1201
01:26:06,650 --> 01:26:11,225
$10,000. If that is in fact the case, I would

1202
01:26:11,225 --> 01:26:15,834
bring that cost down. But in 2018, my understanding is

1203
01:26:15,834 --> 01:26:18,234
it wasn't, though ended just because of lack of funding.

1204
01:26:18,234 --> 01:26:20,234
I believe when I went back and looked into that,

1205
01:26:20,234 --> 01:26:22,954
and that conversation was actually ended, though, because it was

1206
01:26:22,954 --> 01:26:26,594
not considered a good value for the money at the

1207
01:26:26,594 --> 01:26:31,929
time. Except for just hoping. I haven't seen any information

1208
01:26:31,929 --> 01:26:34,449
provided to me or to the community. In the memo

1209
01:26:34,449 --> 01:26:37,049
that would make me think I just don't have the

1210
01:26:37,049 --> 01:26:39,249
information to know. That it just wouldn't be the same.

1211
01:26:42,362 --> 01:26:45,642
I'm trying to hope it would be a higher usership,

1212
01:26:45,642 --> 01:26:48,482
but if it costs that. Much, then there's been major

1213
01:26:48,482 --> 01:26:52,082
inflationary costs since 2018, so we really need to get

1214
01:26:52,082 --> 01:26:55,442
down to how much is this going to cost per

1215
01:26:55,442 --> 01:27:00,834
ride? I also think. The distance from Inlet center to

1216
01:27:00,834 --> 01:27:05,034
Rocky Point park is flat, is walkable, it's bikable there's

1217
01:27:05,034 --> 01:27:07,434
two transit forms that you can take, bus and sky

1218
01:27:07,434 --> 01:27:09,634
trade, and I do wonder if people are not doing

1219
01:27:09,634 --> 01:27:14,323
those options right now. Then why is that? And who

1220
01:27:14,323 --> 01:27:16,883
then is going to be motivated to use this free

1221
01:27:16,883 --> 01:27:20,283
shuttle? I honestly believe what is more likely to occur

1222
01:27:20,283 --> 01:27:23,763
is the shuttle will really be a transit subsidy paid

1223
01:27:23,763 --> 01:27:28,848
for by our residents. Through this pay parking instead of

1224
01:27:28,848 --> 01:27:32,408
serving to reduce car trips. Because if you don't have

1225
01:27:32,408 --> 01:27:35,488
to drive right now from the rec center to the

1226
01:27:35,488 --> 01:27:38,448
park. I don't think you're probably doing that. And if

1227
01:27:38,448 --> 01:27:40,728
you do have to drive, I don't think this shuttle

1228
01:27:40,728 --> 01:27:44,488
is necessarily going to fix that for you, like mobility

1229
01:27:44,488 --> 01:27:47,413
issues or lagging tons of gear, because. I would assume

1230
01:27:47,413 --> 01:27:50,253
you could consider the bus already. That does leave just

1231
01:27:50,253 --> 01:27:54,086
out on Ioco there. Parking at the rec center is

1232
01:27:54,086 --> 01:27:59,063
also a huge consideration, especially on the weekends. Another problem

1233
01:27:59,063 --> 01:28:02,103
is a big problem for me with this, honestly, is

1234
01:28:02,103 --> 01:28:04,423
the use of paid parking fees. For a project like

1235
01:28:04,423 --> 01:28:08,343
this without a broader conversation having occurred on the strategic

1236
01:28:08,343 --> 01:28:10,983
use of these funds. I don't think councils received the

1237
01:28:10,983 --> 01:28:14,847
information received in this report. On those available funds until

1238
01:28:14,847 --> 01:28:17,247
today, so I was a bit surprised to see that

1239
01:28:17,247 --> 01:28:21,738
preemptively in this report before we talk about it. And

1240
01:28:21,738 --> 01:28:23,298
we really need to talk about those use of those

1241
01:28:23,298 --> 01:28:27,738
funds. What about park improvements and park expansion. For example,

1242
01:28:27,738 --> 01:28:29,498
if you go to Rocky Point park on a rainy

1243
01:28:29,498 --> 01:28:31,458
day right now, you're. Going to go through a puddle

1244
01:28:31,458 --> 01:28:35,315
on the sidewalks. Is that a bigger priority maybe, than

1245
01:28:35,315 --> 01:28:37,275
the shuttle? I don't know, but I think we need

1246
01:28:37,275 --> 01:28:41,071
to have those conversations before we make decisions. I know

1247
01:28:41,071 --> 01:28:44,431
this is a feel good initiative, and I know people

1248
01:28:44,431 --> 01:28:46,071
in the community like, oh, those start to show up

1249
01:28:46,071 --> 01:28:49,791
before elections. And look, things like this can sound great.

1250
01:28:49,791 --> 01:28:51,511
They can look great. And maybe some of them are

1251
01:28:51,511 --> 01:28:53,591
actually great, but I do think we need to dig

1252
01:28:53,591 --> 01:28:55,791
deeper and. Make sure we are making long term good

1253
01:28:55,791 --> 01:28:59,075
choices for our community. That makes sense. Parking revenue is

1254
01:28:59,075 --> 01:29:02,275
not free money. It's hard earned money from our residents

1255
01:29:02,275 --> 01:29:04,115
that they now have to spend to visit a public

1256
01:29:04,115 --> 01:29:06,555
park. I didn't support that because I didn't. Think it

1257
01:29:06,555 --> 01:29:10,388
was fair. There's been recognition that not everyone can afford

1258
01:29:10,388 --> 01:29:13,428
pay parking in kind of this conversation, but. Then I'm

1259
01:29:13,428 --> 01:29:15,428
wondering. So we're using the money to make a shuttle

1260
01:29:15,428 --> 01:29:17,988
that maybe. We don't need. And the people will pay.

1261
01:29:17,988 --> 01:29:20,868
That can't take the shuttle anyway. Maybe we should just

1262
01:29:20,868 --> 01:29:23,748
remove the pay parking for our residents. That's where I

1263
01:29:23,748 --> 01:29:28,440
kind of land back with this thinking. So I would

1264
01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:30,920
like to see a report back from staff in this

1265
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:34,120
motion, because to be comfortable I mean, if it really

1266
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,720
is $10,000, and that obviously is a big difference for

1267
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,364
me than $50,000. So I am going to call for

1268
01:29:40,364 --> 01:29:42,844
separation, though, because I'm not prepared to endorse kind of

1269
01:29:42,844 --> 01:29:45,284
the other things said here before I have that information.

1270
01:29:45,284 --> 01:29:49,394
So I look to just support that third bullet. And.

1271
01:29:51,042 --> 01:29:53,722
I'm possibly thinking on a motion arising after this, so

1272
01:29:53,722 --> 01:29:56,242
if you come back to me. Thank you. Thank you.

1273
01:29:56,242 --> 01:30:02,537
Councilor. Councilor Noel. Thank you. Actually. Councilor lure. Becky said

1274
01:30:02,537 --> 01:30:06,363
a lot of what I was going to say. So

1275
01:30:06,363 --> 01:30:08,483
on the surface, I like this idea. I think it

1276
01:30:08,483 --> 01:30:11,563
is a good feel good motion. I do have some

1277
01:30:11,563 --> 01:30:15,963
concerns. One of my concerns was also about spending the

1278
01:30:15,963 --> 01:30:21,822
pay parking revenues. To fund this. I feel like that

1279
01:30:21,822 --> 01:30:27,311
is a conversation that needs to take place. Either. With

1280
01:30:27,311 --> 01:30:31,822
the public or among this council first. Firstly, I think

1281
01:30:31,822 --> 01:30:33,782
we all have different ideas about how these finished bees.

1282
01:30:33,782 --> 01:30:35,382
Personally, I would like to use them for tax relief

1283
01:30:35,382 --> 01:30:39,320
for our residents. So I don't know how I feel

1284
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,474
about that. I'm glad we're going to move separation on

1285
01:30:42,474 --> 01:30:46,808
these. I do have some concerns that the points between

1286
01:30:46,808 --> 01:30:50,528
let center Moody Center Rocky Point park are already very

1287
01:30:50,528 --> 01:30:57,176
accessible by transit. So I'm not sure how necessary. The

1288
01:30:57,176 --> 01:31:02,499
shuttle is, although. For me. I'm okay with the staff

1289
01:31:02,499 --> 01:31:05,739
report coming back, and let's take a look at what

1290
01:31:05,739 --> 01:31:08,099
it's going to say, but for me, the final decision

1291
01:31:08,099 --> 01:31:10,139
is going to be based on receiving information that shows

1292
01:31:10,139 --> 01:31:12,059
that there's going to be an acceptable roi to the

1293
01:31:12,059 --> 01:31:17,158
city. With an acceptable RoI to the city so that

1294
01:31:17,158 --> 01:31:20,598
the use needs to match the value and the costs.

1295
01:31:20,598 --> 01:31:25,236
I would actually like to. Move an amendment to the

1296
01:31:25,236 --> 01:31:30,424
third bullet. To explicitly add that we should be looking

1297
01:31:30,424 --> 01:31:34,962
at private sponsorships first before. Breaking into our pay parking

1298
01:31:34,962 --> 01:31:40,080
revenues. And I also just want to comment that. If

1299
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,720
we do proceed with this, the communications piece has to

1300
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,284
be robust. It has to really get out that we

1301
01:31:46,284 --> 01:31:49,564
can't afford to spend this money and make this big,

1302
01:31:49,564 --> 01:31:52,484
even pilot commitment without making sure people are aware it

1303
01:31:52,484 --> 01:31:55,911
exists. So for now, I will move the amendment to

1304
01:31:55,911 --> 01:32:00,015
the third bullet. And the amendment would be. And that

1305
01:32:00,015 --> 01:32:09,006
this service be paid. For through corporate sponsorships. Paid for,

1306
01:32:09,006 --> 01:32:17,750
actually. Sorry. Doing this on the fly. Paid for through

1307
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:24,059
corporate sponsorships, if possible. And otherwise.

1308
01:32:27,810 --> 01:32:32,972
Look at a different funding source. Okay, so you're striking

1309
01:32:32,972 --> 01:32:34,892
the third bullet and you're saying that it be paid.

1310
01:32:34,892 --> 01:32:39,732
For by corporate sponsorship, if possible, or other funding sources.

1311
01:32:39,732 --> 01:32:42,332
Or other funding sources. Is my, is there a secondary

1312
01:32:42,332 --> 01:32:47,270
for that. The fourth bullet, the third. Mdet the fourth

1313
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:49,430
bullet, the third. And is there a secondary for that.

1314
01:32:53,351 --> 01:32:58,649
Okay. Do you have anything else you want to add

1315
01:32:58,649 --> 01:33:04,270
to that? Yeah. Again. I think that instead of first

1316
01:33:04,270 --> 01:33:06,510
diving right into our pay parking revenues to fund this,

1317
01:33:06,510 --> 01:33:08,750
we need to be looking at other funding options. I

1318
01:33:08,750 --> 01:33:10,910
think we should be looking outside of the city for

1319
01:33:10,910 --> 01:33:16,909
corporate opportunities. We are developing our city. There's some significant

1320
01:33:16,909 --> 01:33:21,151
density going in Moody Center. And I think we need

1321
01:33:21,151 --> 01:33:23,151
to leverage some of the relationships we have to see

1322
01:33:23,151 --> 01:33:25,671
if we can get some support to pay for this.

1323
01:33:25,671 --> 01:33:28,591
If we can't, we can look at other funding. Options,

1324
01:33:28,591 --> 01:33:32,151
including pay parking revenues. But I think just to immediately

1325
01:33:32,151 --> 01:33:35,800
say. Let's use that. Money is a little problematic to

1326
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:44,234
me. Anybody else on this? On the amendment, councilor. Thank

1327
01:33:44,234 --> 01:33:48,035
you. I appreciate what everybody said so far, and so

1328
01:33:48,035 --> 01:33:51,629
it just sounds like. And the amendment that was made,

1329
01:33:51,629 --> 01:33:54,589
but it sounds like maybe we'd all be more comfortable.

1330
01:33:54,589 --> 01:33:58,389
If we just did the staff report back before committing

1331
01:33:58,389 --> 01:34:03,818
to. The other bullets. I can't really make an amendment

1332
01:34:03,818 --> 01:34:07,239
on an amendment. But I would just say we defer

1333
01:34:07,239 --> 01:34:11,079
the other ones and just do the second and that

1334
01:34:11,079 --> 01:34:15,119
the third statement. Okay, so we're speaking to an amendment,

1335
01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:17,159
so if you don't. Support it, it fails, then we

1336
01:34:17,159 --> 01:34:22,199
can bring another motion arising, another amendment, and just remove

1337
01:34:22,199 --> 01:34:25,399
that bullet. And then have and determine a funding source

1338
01:34:25,399 --> 01:34:28,924
at a later. Date, or depending on what happens with

1339
01:34:28,924 --> 01:34:33,475
this amendment. Okay, so. Council. Yeah. So we're voting on

1340
01:34:33,475 --> 01:34:36,515
the amendment, and then we also separate, and if it

1341
01:34:36,515 --> 01:34:41,947
fails. Then we can move separation. Or we can move

1342
01:34:41,947 --> 01:34:44,507
an amendment to this motion to just remove that bullet.

1343
01:34:46,147 --> 01:34:50,267
Okay. Okay. I'll be moving deferral afterwards, I think. Okay.

1344
01:34:52,398 --> 01:34:57,364
But. Let's just handle this one first. Councilor lubic. I

1345
01:34:57,364 --> 01:34:58,924
was just going to say that I think I feel

1346
01:34:58,924 --> 01:35:01,204
more comfortable having a conversation about how we're going to

1347
01:35:01,204 --> 01:35:05,324
pay for it once. The staff will get back. Okay.

1348
01:35:05,324 --> 01:35:09,404
Thank you, councilor. Morrison. Thank you for that. I appreciate

1349
01:35:09,404 --> 01:35:11,524
that little extra clarity that I got from councilor Knowles

1350
01:35:11,524 --> 01:35:15,686
after seconding it. And if that third bullet had been

1351
01:35:15,686 --> 01:35:20,127
written. Paid for with a portion of as opposed to

1352
01:35:20,127 --> 01:35:23,887
from a portion of. Then that leaves it more open

1353
01:35:23,887 --> 01:35:26,927
to than just using that one source. So I agree

1354
01:35:26,927 --> 01:35:29,767
with my colleagues. I won't. Support the amendment just for

1355
01:35:29,767 --> 01:35:34,487
the interest of. Preferably just having staff report back with

1356
01:35:34,487 --> 01:35:39,142
funding source. Options, et cetera. Everything that. We need. And

1357
01:35:39,142 --> 01:35:40,782
I know it might not be able to be done

1358
01:35:40,782 --> 01:35:45,942
sooner than September, but appreciate that. Thank you. All right.

1359
01:35:47,541 --> 01:35:54,168
I'm not going to support the amendment, but. If it

1360
01:35:54,168 --> 01:35:55,968
does fail, then I think the cleanest way to deal

1361
01:35:55,968 --> 01:35:59,448
with this is to just. Remove that bullet, and then

1362
01:35:59,448 --> 01:36:02,638
when. We get to in September. When we get the

1363
01:36:02,638 --> 01:36:05,758
cost estimates and the plan, we can then determine the

1364
01:36:05,758 --> 01:36:10,160
funding source. So I'll call the question on the amendment.

1365
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:19,216
All in favor? Opposed. Okay, it is. Opposed. Councilor Lubic

1366
01:36:19,216 --> 01:36:25,496
Knowles, Morrison, myself, Agtrap, and Rebecca Post. Thank you for

1367
01:36:25,496 --> 01:36:31,629
that support. Councilor. Tilworth. I'm going to move that bullet

1368
01:36:31,629 --> 01:36:36,721
be removed. Seconded. And so that we don't have to

1369
01:36:36,721 --> 01:36:41,706
be addressing. The source of payment at this time. All

1370
01:36:41,706 --> 01:36:44,666
in favor? Opposed? Carrie. Thank you. So we are down

1371
01:36:44,666 --> 01:36:50,504
to a main motion that. Has now only got three,

1372
01:36:50,504 --> 01:36:54,527
and that. On that. I think everyone's had a chance.

1373
01:36:56,771 --> 01:37:02,259
Oh, pardon. Councilor lubic. I'm sorry. I just wanted to

1374
01:37:02,259 --> 01:37:04,179
ask. So I do think that this is a good

1375
01:37:04,179 --> 01:37:12,883
thing to explore. Given what others have said about. Since

1376
01:37:12,883 --> 01:37:15,803
the last time we had a pilot. We now have

1377
01:37:15,803 --> 01:37:19,283
sky train and things like that, so. I'm wondering if

1378
01:37:19,283 --> 01:37:22,123
there's an opportunity first after court back if there are

1379
01:37:22,123 --> 01:37:29,277
areas of Port Moody. Where that are less served by

1380
01:37:29,277 --> 01:37:33,383
transit. I know some of those may be more. What

1381
01:37:33,383 --> 01:37:35,503
I'm trying to get at is are there some people

1382
01:37:35,503 --> 01:37:37,903
in Port Moody that really have to drive and then

1383
01:37:37,903 --> 01:37:41,446
park. Is there an opportunity for the shell to serve

1384
01:37:41,446 --> 01:37:44,846
those neighborhoods? You could make a motion, or you could

1385
01:37:44,846 --> 01:37:48,166
make an amendment to the last bullet to say when

1386
01:37:48,166 --> 01:37:50,566
it says to determine if this pilot project is to

1387
01:37:50,566 --> 01:37:55,618
be made permanent. And to recommend any potential expansion of

1388
01:37:55,618 --> 01:38:05,617
the service to underserved portion of the community. To

1389
01:38:05,617 --> 01:38:09,497
recommend potential expansion of the service team. Underserved portions of

1390
01:38:09,497 --> 01:38:14,316
the community. So that is an amendment that's been seconded

1391
01:38:14,316 --> 01:38:16,766
on the amendment. I'll just see a show of hands

1392
01:38:16,766 --> 01:38:19,286
if anyone wants to speak to the amendment councilor. Morrison.

1393
01:38:21,053 --> 01:38:22,773
Yes. And then I'll keep you in the queue. You're

1394
01:38:22,773 --> 01:38:26,853
second in line after. Councilor Eggtrap. I appreciate that aspect

1395
01:38:26,853 --> 01:38:30,373
of it. It seems really early for that when we

1396
01:38:30,373 --> 01:38:32,653
don't have the report back to how that's not until

1397
01:38:32,653 --> 01:38:35,853
October of 26. Yeah, so that's. Why we're kind of

1398
01:38:35,853 --> 01:38:38,333
building it into a decision process right now before we've

1399
01:38:38,333 --> 01:38:39,933
gotten the report back. It almost seems like it should

1400
01:38:39,933 --> 01:38:41,733
be built into the report. After we get the report

1401
01:38:41,733 --> 01:38:45,055
back. I want to be really clear. The motion is

1402
01:38:45,055 --> 01:38:48,215
to establish the service. Yes, I'm aware. Of that, but

1403
01:38:48,215 --> 01:38:50,415
it's just about the underserved aspect of it, because that

1404
01:38:50,415 --> 01:38:55,907
report wouldn't come back until 2026. So I'll support it.

1405
01:38:55,907 --> 01:38:57,627
It just seems like it's a little early for it.

1406
01:38:57,627 --> 01:38:59,387
When we don't have the main report. Thank you. Thank

1407
01:38:59,387 --> 01:39:05,534
you. Anyone else on the amendment? Who said yes. Councilor

1408
01:39:05,534 --> 01:39:10,917
Knowles. Yeah, I agree. Perhaps I'm just not understanding the

1409
01:39:10,917 --> 01:39:13,917
wording of this correctly. But the second bullet says. And

1410
01:39:13,917 --> 01:39:16,317
that staff report back by September 2025 with a project

1411
01:39:16,317 --> 01:39:20,557
plan and cost estimates for establishing this pilot, shoreline shuttle

1412
01:39:20,557 --> 01:39:23,117
service. And then if we jump down to the last

1413
01:39:23,117 --> 01:39:26,437
bullet and that staff. Report back with report outlining how

1414
01:39:26,437 --> 01:39:30,024
it's already proceeded, including ridership, et cetera. Et cetera. So

1415
01:39:30,024 --> 01:39:31,704
I also thought that was premature once I read it

1416
01:39:31,704 --> 01:39:35,104
and once we removed the pay parking revenues item because

1417
01:39:35,104 --> 01:39:38,144
I would prefer that we get a staff report on

1418
01:39:38,144 --> 01:39:40,784
whether we want to even for me. There needs to

1419
01:39:40,784 --> 01:39:42,464
be an Roi before I'm going to even agree to

1420
01:39:42,464 --> 01:39:44,864
this. So I think what you're saying, Mayor Lottie, is

1421
01:39:44,864 --> 01:39:49,543
that if we vote for this, is happening? Yes. The

1422
01:39:49,543 --> 01:39:53,023
motion says that the city established a pilot program. Okay,

1423
01:39:53,023 --> 01:39:57,431
in that case. We're on an amendment. I understand. That

1424
01:39:57,431 --> 01:40:00,111
changes things for me in terms of the amendment, and

1425
01:40:00,111 --> 01:40:04,017
I will speak to that, I suppose. Next. Okay. I

1426
01:40:04,017 --> 01:40:07,457
will call the question on the amendment. All in favor?

1427
01:40:07,457 --> 01:40:11,697
Opposed? Councilor Knowles and councilor Morrison are opposed to the

1428
01:40:11,697 --> 01:40:18,388
amendment. And councilor Dilworth. Okay. All right. It passes. All

1429
01:40:18,388 --> 01:40:24,378
right, so we're back to the main motion. And now

1430
01:40:24,378 --> 01:40:29,920
I have a speaking lesson. Counselor. Agtrop and then councillor

1431
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:34,375
Morrison and then councilor Dilworth. All right? So we'll go

1432
01:40:34,375 --> 01:40:40,503
to Councilor Agtrap first. Thank you. I think. Personally, and

1433
01:40:40,503 --> 01:40:42,263
I think from what I'm hearing, is that we would

1434
01:40:42,263 --> 01:40:46,823
all feel more comfortable that staff report back on this

1435
01:40:46,823 --> 01:40:50,943
before we commit to establishing the pilot program or commit

1436
01:40:50,943 --> 01:40:54,463
to running the service from any length of time or

1437
01:40:54,463 --> 01:41:01,916
even the last bullet. Could we defer? Those other clauses

1438
01:41:01,916 --> 01:41:07,621
until staff have reported back. Is that possible? I think

1439
01:41:07,621 --> 01:41:14,631
the best. Yeah, you could do that. Yeah, you could

1440
01:41:14,631 --> 01:41:19,379
do that. Then I'll move that. We defer the first

1441
01:41:19,379 --> 01:41:24,139
clause, the second clause and the last clause until we

1442
01:41:24,139 --> 01:41:29,794
get the third. Clause back. Is there a secondary? All

1443
01:41:29,794 --> 01:41:32,754
right. There's no thank you debate on deferral. I'll call

1444
01:41:32,754 --> 01:41:36,754
the question on deferral. All in favor? Opposed? Carried. Okay,

1445
01:41:36,754 --> 01:41:42,002
so now we're just down to reporting back. Councilor Eichrap,

1446
01:41:42,002 --> 01:41:44,842
do you still have the floor? You're good, councilor. Morrison.

1447
01:41:46,624 --> 01:41:48,384
On the motion, which is just to have the report

1448
01:41:48,384 --> 01:41:52,255
back. Thank you. Thank you for that. I appreciate it,

1449
01:41:52,255 --> 01:41:54,975
Councilor Eggcraft. And Petra, I just want. To say thanks

1450
01:41:54,975 --> 01:41:57,175
to Mayor Lottie for thinking about this when I'm bringing

1451
01:41:57,175 --> 01:41:59,135
this forward. Again. I know. We're going to get the

1452
01:41:59,135 --> 01:42:00,575
report back on it. It's going to be an ROI,

1453
01:42:00,575 --> 01:42:01,975
the whole thing. Staff are going to be good to

1454
01:42:01,975 --> 01:42:03,775
go and we're going to get a chance to talk

1455
01:42:03,775 --> 01:42:06,095
about it again, but I think that it's a creative

1456
01:42:06,095 --> 01:42:10,767
way of providing a transport. Transportation option to people that

1457
01:42:10,767 --> 01:42:13,247
may get them to actually come down now that there

1458
01:42:13,247 --> 01:42:15,887
is paid parking. At Rocky Point park. There's no need

1459
01:42:15,887 --> 01:42:18,407
to circle around. There is a cost to taking the

1460
01:42:18,407 --> 01:42:20,247
bus. I get it. And there's a cost to parking

1461
01:42:20,247 --> 01:42:21,567
down there. I get it. But this is a way

1462
01:42:21,567 --> 01:42:24,607
to remove another barrier that has a cost. And I

1463
01:42:24,607 --> 01:42:27,127
think that if it's going to get the ridership and

1464
01:42:27,127 --> 01:42:30,058
its advertised properly, I think. It's a good thing to

1465
01:42:30,058 --> 01:42:32,178
try as a pilot, so thank you for bringing it

1466
01:42:32,178 --> 01:42:36,418
forward. And I'm looking forward to the report back. Thank

1467
01:42:36,418 --> 01:42:39,898
you, council Dilwart. I'm going to step back my enthusiasm

1468
01:42:39,898 --> 01:42:42,858
a little bit after having heard from my colleagues, and

1469
01:42:42,858 --> 01:42:45,578
I totally get that there is a lack of information.

1470
01:42:46,979 --> 01:42:49,299
And I have that information in my brain. That doesn't

1471
01:42:49,299 --> 01:42:52,619
mean it automatically transfers to everyone. Else. So I'm very

1472
01:42:52,619 --> 01:42:57,399
supportive of this. I'm very supportive of this process. Noting

1473
01:42:57,399 --> 01:43:02,385
that. Well, sky train was in place. While the previous

1474
01:43:02,385 --> 01:43:09,063
shuttle. Was in use, pay parking wasn't. And my antidotal

1475
01:43:09,063 --> 01:43:11,943
memory is the people that use that shuttle were people

1476
01:43:11,943 --> 01:43:14,783
that were walking from inlet center or they were coming

1477
01:43:14,783 --> 01:43:18,463
down. Either the noon's creek corridor or heritage Mountain Boulevard.

1478
01:43:20,125 --> 01:43:23,796
Parking at the rec center. And taking the shuttle to

1479
01:43:23,796 --> 01:43:26,436
Rocky Point park or wherever else they were going. Maybe

1480
01:43:26,436 --> 01:43:29,036
hard bean brunch who knows? But they were taking that

1481
01:43:29,036 --> 01:43:32,636
shuttle because they didn't want to have to drive around

1482
01:43:32,636 --> 01:43:35,836
the parking lot at Rocky Point park or even pay

1483
01:43:35,836 --> 01:43:41,381
the $3 at the sky train, so that's. The primary

1484
01:43:41,381 --> 01:43:43,901
audience that I remember. And I think with pay parking

1485
01:43:43,901 --> 01:43:45,941
in place now, this is going to be a bigger

1486
01:43:45,941 --> 01:43:49,341
incentive for people to park somewhere else and then jump

1487
01:43:49,341 --> 01:43:54,432
on the shuttle. Thank you. There aren't any other comments.

1488
01:43:54,432 --> 01:43:58,054
Yeah, I agree with a lot. And. I guess my

1489
01:43:58,054 --> 01:44:04,838
enthusiasm is around. Similar to Councilor Dilworth. In that. This

1490
01:44:04,838 --> 01:44:12,551
isn't. About. Not encouraging people to take transit or. Not

1491
01:44:12,551 --> 01:44:17,388
recognizing that people have the ability to walk down. They

1492
01:44:17,388 --> 01:44:21,048
do already. There are people in this community who will

1493
01:44:21,048 --> 01:44:28,081
use it. I think that at peak times, when parking.

1494
01:44:29,745 --> 01:44:32,225
Is demand is high. This is a reliable mode of

1495
01:44:32,225 --> 01:44:36,370
transportation that they will become familiar with. It is a

1496
01:44:36,370 --> 01:44:38,890
short period of time during the busy season, I guess.

1497
01:44:40,349 --> 01:44:42,749
And that sort of mitigates the stress of finding parking.

1498
01:44:44,376 --> 01:44:50,317
And. This service also. I think while I do appreciate

1499
01:44:50,317 --> 01:44:55,006
the comments around that there is a bus. This is.

1500
01:44:55,006 --> 01:44:58,422
Having our own service allows us to be able. To.

1501
01:44:59,932 --> 01:45:03,572
Sort of, I guess, adapt it to specific community needs.

1502
01:45:03,572 --> 01:45:06,252
And if there are areas or spots in the community

1503
01:45:06,252 --> 01:45:08,332
that we think need to be addressed. We have the

1504
01:45:08,332 --> 01:45:13,085
flexibility to do that. I know that families and seniors

1505
01:45:13,085 --> 01:45:15,405
have, those are the main groups that have reached out

1506
01:45:15,405 --> 01:45:17,365
and said that this is something that they would really

1507
01:45:17,365 --> 01:45:20,524
like to see happen. So I'm really hoping that council

1508
01:45:20,524 --> 01:45:25,414
will ultimately support this. So the motion is to have

1509
01:45:25,414 --> 01:45:28,217
staff report back in September. So we look forward to

1510
01:45:28,217 --> 01:45:31,681
having that report come back. I will call the question.

1511
01:45:31,681 --> 01:45:36,321
All in favor? Opposed? Carrie? Thank you, everybody. Next item

1512
01:45:36,321 --> 01:45:42,881
is the FIFA. Item, Councilor Knowles. Oh, councilor. Sure. Councilor

1513
01:45:42,881 --> 01:45:48,832
Lebecki. Thank you. Listening to the discussion, I would like

1514
01:45:48,832 --> 01:45:52,792
to move that staff report back with potential priority uses

1515
01:45:52,792 --> 01:45:56,112
of paid parking reserves her review and discussion by council.

1516
01:45:56,112 --> 01:45:58,072
So hoping we can move up that would that be.

1517
01:46:00,367 --> 01:46:03,167
Would that be a council thing or a finance committee

1518
01:46:03,167 --> 01:46:07,207
issue? Yeah, maybe at a finance committee, yeah. Let's have

1519
01:46:07,207 --> 01:46:10,727
them report back to finance so councilor Knowles can handle

1520
01:46:10,727 --> 01:46:14,021
that conversation. I think there's not an issue with that.

1521
01:46:14,021 --> 01:46:17,461
Is there a second case been seconded? All in favor?

1522
01:46:17,461 --> 01:46:20,781
Opposed? Carried. Thank you very much, councilor. We'll move on

1523
01:46:20,781 --> 01:46:23,661
to the. Next item that I served, which is kind

1524
01:46:23,661 --> 01:46:27,252
of a fun thing. That the city of Port Moody

1525
01:46:27,252 --> 01:46:30,772
host public viewing opportunities for up to ten games at

1526
01:46:30,772 --> 01:46:34,732
Rocky Point. Park during FIFA 2026 World cup between June

1527
01:46:34,732 --> 01:46:37,892
13 and July 19, and that these opportunities include any

1528
01:46:37,892 --> 01:46:41,572
games played by Canada, as well as all quarterfinal, semifinal

1529
01:46:41,572 --> 01:46:45,692
and final games. Staff report backed by September with a

1530
01:46:45,692 --> 01:46:48,823
project. Plan and a budget that includes the communication and

1531
01:46:48,823 --> 01:46:53,729
audiovisual equipment requirements. Security considerations, staffing requirements, as well as

1532
01:46:53,729 --> 01:46:57,369
costs associated with FIFA licensing and the installation of a

1533
01:46:57,369 --> 01:47:01,369
large, temporary east facing. Now, that could be amended depending

1534
01:47:01,369 --> 01:47:05,329
on what they think, stage, screen and that. Staff investigate

1535
01:47:05,329 --> 01:47:09,129
diverse options for funding these FIFA viewing opportunities, including sources

1536
01:47:09,129 --> 01:47:13,631
from one time funding surplus. Funds, grants and sponsorships and

1537
01:47:13,631 --> 01:47:17,311
that the Golden Spike Day Society summer Sunday concert series

1538
01:47:17,311 --> 01:47:19,951
organizers and the Rotary Club of Port Moody be notified

1539
01:47:19,951 --> 01:47:22,151
of the intention to utilize a portion of the park.

1540
01:47:22,151 --> 01:47:27,557
For this purpose during these dates and events. Seconder and

1541
01:47:27,557 --> 01:47:33,098
seconded. Councilor Knowles. Thank you. Almost no notes for me

1542
01:47:33,098 --> 01:47:38,396
on this one. The only question I had. And it's

1543
01:47:38,396 --> 01:47:39,996
more of a question through to. I don't know if

1544
01:47:39,996 --> 01:47:43,396
it's. Through to staff. Would there be an opportunity even

1545
01:47:43,396 --> 01:47:49,216
at just asking folks for a donation? I'm not necessarily

1546
01:47:49,216 --> 01:47:52,056
trying to turn this into a revenue generating operation for

1547
01:47:52,056 --> 01:47:53,496
us, although that wouldn't be the worst thing in the

1548
01:47:53,496 --> 01:47:58,388
world. But just yes, in terms of diverse options for

1549
01:47:58,388 --> 01:48:02,068
funding these opportunities, something like a tap. Like what? Golden

1550
01:48:02,068 --> 01:48:05,588
spike uses at the entrance just to help cover costs.

1551
01:48:05,588 --> 01:48:11,624
Anything that we can do? To. Lessen the cost to

1552
01:48:11,624 --> 01:48:16,067
the city, I think. We can certainly. This doesn't preclude

1553
01:48:16,067 --> 01:48:18,987
that from being an action, then I would just like

1554
01:48:18,987 --> 01:48:22,107
to. Make those comments and have staff take those back.

1555
01:48:22,107 --> 01:48:25,987
Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Morrison. Thank you. I'm

1556
01:48:25,987 --> 01:48:27,267
in support of this. I just wanted to ask a

1557
01:48:27,267 --> 01:48:29,947
question. If there's. The opportunity for any of our local

1558
01:48:29,947 --> 01:48:32,387
charity, whether it be Crossroads hospice, et cetera, to be

1559
01:48:32,387 --> 01:48:34,907
able to set up some sort of small booth for.

1560
01:48:35,739 --> 01:48:38,179
Beverages, popcorn, snacks, et cetera, as part of this event

1561
01:48:38,179 --> 01:48:42,772
as well. In the park as opposed to. Charity side.

1562
01:48:45,018 --> 01:48:46,058
This kind of is handing it over to staff to

1563
01:48:46,058 --> 01:48:48,591
say, what do you think we can do? There may

1564
01:48:48,591 --> 01:48:51,151
be, like at some of the larger games or some

1565
01:48:51,151 --> 01:48:53,671
of the more sort of the games that there will

1566
01:48:53,671 --> 01:48:55,711
be more people, because I don't anticipate that there's, going

1567
01:48:55,711 --> 01:48:58,431
to be a lot of people at all the games,

1568
01:48:58,431 --> 01:49:01,471
but there might be that'd. Be kind of fun, but,

1569
01:49:01,471 --> 01:49:04,471
yeah, I think that it's an opportunity to really think.

1570
01:49:04,471 --> 01:49:07,151
Outside the box on how to support our community and

1571
01:49:07,151 --> 01:49:09,834
how to bring the community together. Okay. The only other

1572
01:49:09,834 --> 01:49:13,794
thing I would mention is the provision of shade, et

1573
01:49:13,794 --> 01:49:16,834
cetera, to be. Mentioned there because it could be very

1574
01:49:16,834 --> 01:49:19,634
hot and the ability to have some way of offering

1575
01:49:19,634 --> 01:49:23,234
that. Ability. If possible. You have to have people encouraging

1576
01:49:23,234 --> 01:49:27,891
people to bring umbrellas and to bring. Their own shade

1577
01:49:27,891 --> 01:49:30,651
tents as well, because I know we have the bleacher

1578
01:49:30,651 --> 01:49:32,811
stands that have been used previously and stuff like that,

1579
01:49:32,811 --> 01:49:35,811
and there's the ability to shade those towards the back

1580
01:49:35,811 --> 01:49:38,371
so you don't block everybody's view? Because I've had people

1581
01:49:38,371 --> 01:49:41,411
set. Up tents for summers, Sundays. And it blocks your

1582
01:49:41,411 --> 01:49:43,451
view all the way back if somebody sets up. A

1583
01:49:43,451 --> 01:49:45,291
big dent for it. So I think it does need

1584
01:49:45,291 --> 01:49:47,613
to be thought through, especially on those busy events. On

1585
01:49:47,613 --> 01:49:49,413
how we can get people in there comfortably, but as

1586
01:49:49,413 --> 01:49:51,813
well, make sure we're maximizing the amount of people that

1587
01:49:51,813 --> 01:49:55,867
can view it. I'm going to sort of say that.

1588
01:49:56,537 --> 01:49:57,937
The reason that I'm bringing this forward now is to

1589
01:49:57,937 --> 01:50:00,977
give staff an opportunity to really think about this and

1590
01:50:00,977 --> 01:50:05,829
to come back with something. That's ultimately going to be

1591
01:50:05,829 --> 01:50:08,549
the best case scenario for the community. Okay? So I'm.

1592
01:50:08,549 --> 01:50:10,189
In support of it. I think it's going to be

1593
01:50:10,189 --> 01:50:13,629
a great community gathering opportunity. And of course, everybody gets

1594
01:50:13,629 --> 01:50:16,829
around those international events, whether it be Olympics or FIFA,

1595
01:50:16,829 --> 01:50:20,149
et cetera. To get behind Team Canada. Thank you. Thank

1596
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:28,166
you, councilor Lebecki. Thank you. I think this is. A

1597
01:50:28,166 --> 01:50:29,900
very cool idea. I mean, party is like, well, what's

1598
01:50:29,900 --> 01:50:33,689
it going to cost? But I think. A comfortable moving,

1599
01:50:33,689 --> 01:50:36,209
supporting this as it is and assuming we'll move ahead

1600
01:50:36,209 --> 01:50:39,466
with this, I guess. My first thought was, and I'm

1601
01:50:39,466 --> 01:50:41,946
not sure if it sued a staff was like a

1602
01:50:41,946 --> 01:50:45,008
screen in the middle of the day. If you've gone

1603
01:50:45,008 --> 01:50:47,608
to any outdoor movies and it hasn't gone dark yet

1604
01:50:47,608 --> 01:50:49,648
and you can't see anything. That's why I've got it.

1605
01:50:49,648 --> 01:50:52,208
That's. Why I put the east facing. So that the

1606
01:50:52,208 --> 01:50:57,420
sun's behind. Yeah. I'm not a professional technician or whatever,

1607
01:50:57,420 --> 01:50:59,260
but I'm just trying to envision. Does that still work?

1608
01:50:59,260 --> 01:51:02,700
If it does, great. I just can think of instances

1609
01:51:02,700 --> 01:51:04,660
where I couldn't. See screens in the day. So just

1610
01:51:04,660 --> 01:51:08,220
throwing that out there, maybe staff can confirm the angle.

1611
01:51:09,748 --> 01:51:12,708
Obviously, Rocky Point park is very busy and there's competing

1612
01:51:12,708 --> 01:51:15,148
interests, and some people are super. Into soccer. And some

1613
01:51:15,148 --> 01:51:18,847
people are like, what's going on with soccer? And I'm

1614
01:51:18,847 --> 01:51:22,007
mindful of this location in the summer. I think I

1615
01:51:22,007 --> 01:51:24,207
have a little bit of worry about that. I think

1616
01:51:24,207 --> 01:51:27,047
it's a special occasion, like the Olympics and people will

1617
01:51:27,047 --> 01:51:29,087
be accepting that this is going on there and it's

1618
01:51:29,087 --> 01:51:31,887
busier than normal and it's just like a fun short

1619
01:51:31,887 --> 01:51:36,391
term thing. Yeah, so I support this. Just wanting to

1620
01:51:36,391 --> 01:51:39,151
hear those kind of technical details back from staff, so.

1621
01:51:39,151 --> 01:51:41,360
That we can make sure. It is what it is

1622
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:42,800
supposed to be. And people can see and they have

1623
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,440
a good time. And they have shade and they bring

1624
01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:49,842
their umbrellas and all the rest. For sure. You don't

1625
01:51:49,842 --> 01:51:52,682
want to spend money, set up something and have people

1626
01:51:52,682 --> 01:51:55,474
not be able to. See the screen. That would be

1627
01:51:55,474 --> 01:52:01,192
terrible waste. Thank you for that. Councilor. Councilor Dilworth. Thank

1628
01:52:01,192 --> 01:52:04,072
you. I just have one brief question. Have we had

1629
01:52:04,072 --> 01:52:07,152
any discussions with the Port Moody Soccer Club, or if

1630
01:52:07,152 --> 01:52:10,072
we envision some ways that the soccer club might be

1631
01:52:10,072 --> 01:52:14,344
involved in the provision of this. Because. These are, like,

1632
01:52:14,344 --> 01:52:17,904
hardcore soccer fans, and I'm sure that they would love

1633
01:52:17,904 --> 01:52:20,968
to be a part of it. Down, so I wanted

1634
01:52:20,968 --> 01:52:22,968
to make sure that that was on our radar. What

1635
01:52:22,968 --> 01:52:26,128
a wonderful idea. I'm sure staff is listening. Great. Thank

1636
01:52:26,128 --> 01:52:28,488
you. I mean, there's lots of time between now and

1637
01:52:28,488 --> 01:52:33,168
then to organize little things and demonstrations and even mini

1638
01:52:33,168 --> 01:52:36,933
games. If potentially that's something that they want to do.

1639
01:52:36,933 --> 01:52:43,345
All right. Councilor Eggtrap. Thank you. Just following on the

1640
01:52:43,345 --> 01:52:46,863
rocky point sort of theme, I guess. And as you

1641
01:52:46,863 --> 01:52:49,423
were saying, we're not sure who's going to show up

1642
01:52:49,423 --> 01:52:53,046
or. How many people or who's playing. And because different

1643
01:52:53,046 --> 01:52:56,526
teams draw different amounts of crowds. Right. If it's Canada,

1644
01:52:56,526 --> 01:52:58,966
then it's. Going to be a totally different story, but

1645
01:52:58,966 --> 01:53:01,966
I'm just wondering if there would be. Opportunity when staff

1646
01:53:01,966 --> 01:53:06,406
was exploring this to look at potentially different locations depend.

1647
01:53:08,168 --> 01:53:12,048
Can we be nimble enough that, depending on who's playing,

1648
01:53:12,048 --> 01:53:16,848
maybe the semifinals and. Quarterfinal. Semifinal final games are at

1649
01:53:16,848 --> 01:53:19,968
Rocky Point. I think that the reason that, yeah, I

1650
01:53:19,968 --> 01:53:23,570
did put a lot of thought into that. It's going

1651
01:53:23,570 --> 01:53:25,570
to be something that's semi permanent, so I don't think

1652
01:53:25,570 --> 01:53:27,730
it's going to be something that's not part of going

1653
01:53:27,730 --> 01:53:29,370
to be able to pick up and move from one

1654
01:53:29,370 --> 01:53:33,245
part to the next, okay? Because. If there's other games.

1655
01:53:35,131 --> 01:53:37,691
That are, I don't know that Canada or favorite teams

1656
01:53:37,691 --> 01:53:41,940
are in. Is there a way we can utilize. Out

1657
01:53:41,940 --> 01:53:46,201
back here for games that may be less popular. I

1658
01:53:46,201 --> 01:53:49,831
don't know, just. Shining right on the screen. It's an

1659
01:53:49,831 --> 01:53:54,740
unfortunate way. Ideally, that would be my first. I would

1660
01:53:54,740 --> 01:53:55,820
think would be a great, because it'd be kind of

1661
01:53:55,820 --> 01:53:58,220
a fun. It's. Already tiered, but your son is going

1662
01:53:58,220 --> 01:54:02,177
to be right on the screen. We need a shade.

1663
01:54:02,177 --> 01:54:07,413
I know something. About that. That has come and gone,

1664
01:54:07,413 --> 01:54:13,005
my friend. All right. Thank you, Councilor Knowles. Come on.

1665
01:54:16,758 --> 01:54:19,596
I did that to myself. I'm sorry. Yeah, councilor egg

1666
01:54:19,596 --> 01:54:21,076
chop kind of beat me to it the more I

1667
01:54:21,076 --> 01:54:23,916
was thinking about it. This might be a really good

1668
01:54:23,916 --> 01:54:27,476
opportunity to kind of highlight and showcase some of our

1669
01:54:27,476 --> 01:54:29,916
other parks. Rather than doing this at Rocky Point park.

1670
01:54:29,916 --> 01:54:32,316
And I'm specifically thinking of, and I was just looking.

1671
01:54:32,316 --> 01:54:34,116
I'm trying to find the name. The one by across

1672
01:54:34,116 --> 01:54:37,396
from Glenair is. Huge. It has tons of shade and

1673
01:54:37,396 --> 01:54:41,528
trees. It's got. A big area, and then there's also

1674
01:54:41,528 --> 01:54:46,400
west hills, so. I just want to encourage. Us because

1675
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:51,289
Rocky Point is, Biggie is busy with big events. Can

1676
01:54:51,289 --> 01:54:53,329
we just keep an open mind in terms of where

1677
01:54:53,329 --> 01:54:56,938
I understand these are going to be? Semi permanent. But

1678
01:54:56,938 --> 01:55:00,854
we have other parks. Yeah, I totally understand where you're

1679
01:55:00,854 --> 01:55:05,308
coming from, okay? We want it to be central so

1680
01:55:05,308 --> 01:55:07,628
that people can take transit, so people can take the

1681
01:55:07,628 --> 01:55:13,173
shuttle. If they want to. People. Can access it. And,

1682
01:55:13,173 --> 01:55:16,013
yes, we do have other parks, and I put lots

1683
01:55:16,013 --> 01:55:19,133
of thought into perhaps West Hill because it's a covered

1684
01:55:19,133 --> 01:55:21,813
area and it would be, but it's just. Not as

1685
01:55:21,813 --> 01:55:25,840
accessible and if. You're actually drawing a few hundred people.

1686
01:55:27,509 --> 01:55:31,349
It's probably not a good idea to be having that

1687
01:55:31,349 --> 01:55:36,681
many vehicles because it's just not accessible. Okay. Right. So.

1688
01:55:36,681 --> 01:55:40,713
Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from. If there's

1689
01:55:40,713 --> 01:55:43,833
any issue. No, sorry. That's okay. Thank you. Thank you.

1690
01:55:43,833 --> 01:55:47,290
Yes, but. Yes, I'm sure. Staff. Will be considering all

1691
01:55:47,290 --> 01:55:51,172
of that. All right, so I will call the question

1692
01:55:51,172 --> 01:55:55,537
then. All in favor? Opposed? Carrie. Thanks, everybody. The next

1693
01:55:55,537 --> 01:56:01,067
item is councilor. Lebecki's motion, and I will go to

1694
01:56:01,067 --> 01:56:04,387
you. Councilor Becky, thank you so. I'm just going to

1695
01:56:04,387 --> 01:56:09,640
go ahead. Everyone's reading tonight. I'll remind. That a meeting

1696
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:12,280
called a council town hall on the official committee plan

1697
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:14,920
is scheduled after first reading. And before second reading of

1698
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:17,520
the draft OCP and that the meeting serves as an

1699
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:19,960
open space. For residents who had feedback and questions for

1700
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:22,840
council regarding the draft OCP with the purpose to inform

1701
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:25,800
any council initiated changes to be tabled during second reading

1702
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:28,840
of the draft OCP and that this meeting be in.

1703
01:56:29,344 --> 01:56:33,344
Person and live streamed with Zoom participation recorded, amended with

1704
01:56:33,344 --> 01:56:36,264
counsel on the stage with support from senior staff chaired

1705
01:56:36,264 --> 01:56:38,384
by the mayor, an open mic format allowed to be

1706
01:56:38,384 --> 01:56:41,344
extended to support hearing from each resident who wishes to

1707
01:56:41,344 --> 01:56:45,302
speak. And the designated sorry. A designed invitation is sent

1708
01:56:45,302 --> 01:56:50,036
to every household. Thank you, councilor. Is there a second?

1709
01:56:50,036 --> 01:56:56,159
Seconded by Councilor Newbeck. Thank you. So it's important when

1710
01:56:56,159 --> 01:57:00,319
we're having this discussion tonight, I would like council to

1711
01:57:00,319 --> 01:57:02,359
consider that we did have two discussions on this already.

1712
01:57:04,317 --> 01:57:05,957
And in those discussions when I went back and I

1713
01:57:05,957 --> 01:57:08,477
listened to the full discussions of both at the time.

1714
01:57:08,477 --> 01:57:11,757
We did very clearly agree, and I believe, vote on

1715
01:57:11,757 --> 01:57:15,397
having an open mic town hall. For whatever reason, this

1716
01:57:15,397 --> 01:57:20,219
has not happened. I still believe it can, and I

1717
01:57:20,219 --> 01:57:24,821
believe it must occur. Asking our community what they think

1718
01:57:24,821 --> 01:57:28,141
and offering them direct access to freely express themselves and

1719
01:57:28,141 --> 01:57:31,821
share their thoughts with us, with their elected officials. It's

1720
01:57:31,821 --> 01:57:35,661
not adversarial or negative and I've heard these thrown out

1721
01:57:35,661 --> 01:57:40,053
there lately, and I find it very perplexing. As a

1722
01:57:40,053 --> 01:57:42,213
council, we may not agree with or like what we

1723
01:57:42,213 --> 01:57:44,653
hear to town hall or people. Out of town hall

1724
01:57:44,653 --> 01:57:47,859
might not agree with each other. But that is literally

1725
01:57:47,859 --> 01:57:53,754
democracy. Right, creating spaces for respectful disagreement. And to be

1726
01:57:53,754 --> 01:57:57,651
frank, we have people here every week. Very rarely is

1727
01:57:57,651 --> 01:58:02,773
someone disrespectful at that mic. Extremely rare. So I really

1728
01:58:02,773 --> 01:58:08,118
think. We need to honor that. And not make folks

1729
01:58:08,118 --> 01:58:11,358
feel if they come and don't agree with something, we're

1730
01:58:11,358 --> 01:58:14,678
doing or with each other that somehow they're being negative

1731
01:58:14,678 --> 01:58:17,478
or adversarial or. They shouldn't feel good about being able

1732
01:58:17,478 --> 01:58:22,808
to speak their mind. Town halls are a bedrock of

1733
01:58:22,808 --> 01:58:26,248
our engagement processes in Port Moody for years and years.

1734
01:58:26,248 --> 01:58:28,608
Literally, the creation of Bert Flynn park. Imagine if we

1735
01:58:28,608 --> 01:58:30,768
didn't have an open mic. We wouldn't. Have for Flim

1736
01:58:30,768 --> 01:58:35,735
Park. We've created these spaces through history. In our community.

1737
01:58:35,735 --> 01:58:39,255
And they've had a difference because having that mic, having

1738
01:58:39,255 --> 01:58:41,215
people be able to speak to the decision makers up

1739
01:58:41,215 --> 01:58:47,449
here. It matters. 2011, 2014, OCPS 2018. I mean, honestly,

1740
01:58:47,449 --> 01:58:51,630
there were hundreds and hundreds of people showing up. In

1741
01:58:51,630 --> 01:58:54,590
the past to some of these meetings, whether it's council

1742
01:58:54,590 --> 01:58:58,830
meetings, public hearings, and, yes, town halls because councils of

1743
01:58:58,830 --> 01:59:02,430
the day created those spaces for people to come because

1744
01:59:02,430 --> 01:59:05,950
they felt safe. And they felt empowered to do so.

1745
01:59:05,950 --> 01:59:08,870
And I really do wonder why this is not happening

1746
01:59:08,870 --> 01:59:13,375
under this council. And it means something is not working

1747
01:59:13,375 --> 01:59:17,376
properly under our poaches. When we see 50 people. I'm

1748
01:59:17,376 --> 01:59:19,978
sorry. That is not acceptable to me. That is not

1749
01:59:19,978 --> 01:59:22,578
a high enough number of people to be acceptable. For

1750
01:59:22,578 --> 01:59:26,618
an OCP engagement. Town hall. Something we're doing is just

1751
01:59:26,618 --> 01:59:29,788
not working. Less engagement is a bad thing. It's not

1752
01:59:29,788 --> 01:59:32,748
a good thing. And when I hear from people in

1753
01:59:32,748 --> 01:59:35,948
the community that stop me in a coffee shop, and

1754
01:59:35,948 --> 01:59:38,148
they're so passionate, they share their thoughts with me about

1755
01:59:38,148 --> 01:59:40,148
the future of our community. I'm like, hey, why don't

1756
01:59:40,148 --> 01:59:41,828
you come into council? I haven't seen you. Why don't

1757
01:59:41,828 --> 01:59:45,072
you come? On down. All too often I hear, because

1758
01:59:45,072 --> 01:59:48,672
what does it matter? And that breaks my heart. And

1759
01:59:48,672 --> 01:59:51,032
I think, we should be doing everything we can to

1760
01:59:51,032 --> 01:59:54,392
change that narrative that is existing in our community, because

1761
01:59:54,392 --> 01:59:58,510
I'm hearing it on the ground all the time. So

1762
01:59:58,510 --> 02:00:01,710
this doesn't need to be adversarial. This doesn't need to.

1763
02:00:01,710 --> 02:00:04,790
Be political. We've already had this conversation, and there seemed

1764
02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:08,630
to be immense agreement around this. Table. At the time,

1765
02:00:08,630 --> 02:00:12,414
just over. A year ago, and I just don't know.

1766
02:00:13,582 --> 02:00:16,022
What possibly could have changed since then, except for a

1767
02:00:16,022 --> 02:00:17,982
feeling that people are not as happy as they were.

1768
02:00:19,970 --> 02:00:21,690
And that should not be a reason we don't open

1769
02:00:21,690 --> 02:00:24,330
up that mic. We've heard support in the cuny to

1770
02:00:24,330 --> 02:00:27,050
have this town hall like we've always had town. Halls.

1771
02:00:27,050 --> 02:00:30,090
We've already tried the other way. We've had the Slido

1772
02:00:30,090 --> 02:00:32,810
app and. The facilitator kind of rounding out questions and

1773
02:00:32,810 --> 02:00:36,487
summarizing things for people. Again, 50 people showed up and

1774
02:00:36,487 --> 02:00:39,687
took advantage of that. If at a town hall, we

1775
02:00:39,687 --> 02:00:42,007
want to throw in an app as well somehow, then

1776
02:00:42,007 --> 02:00:44,487
sure. But it needs to be open mic. It needs

1777
02:00:44,487 --> 02:00:47,087
to be documented. It needs to be recorded. It needs

1778
02:00:47,087 --> 02:00:49,887
to be accessible. Everyone should be invited and we should

1779
02:00:49,887 --> 02:00:51,647
stay here as long as it takes. I'll stay here

1780
02:00:51,647 --> 02:00:54,327
all night long to hear from people, and very importantly,

1781
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:59,567
Very importantly. The public hearing is not enough time to

1782
02:00:59,567 --> 02:01:01,927
do what I'm asking for, so I'm. Hoping for council

1783
02:01:01,927 --> 02:01:06,293
support. Thank you, councilor. I will just point out we

1784
02:01:06,293 --> 02:01:08,653
never had a town hall on Bert Flynn park, but

1785
02:01:08,653 --> 02:01:12,412
we did. Have a very robust and long. Public hearing

1786
02:01:12,412 --> 02:01:19,302
that went till two in the morning. Councilor dilworth. Town

1787
02:01:19,302 --> 02:01:24,230
hall meetings. We've had different formats here, Mayor Lottie, I.

1788
02:01:24,230 --> 02:01:26,830
Don't you remember there was. One meeting, we were sitting

1789
02:01:26,830 --> 02:01:31,310
on pillows on the bleachers, the steps down below, talking

1790
02:01:31,310 --> 02:01:34,750
to youth. We've had town hall meetings that our staff

1791
02:01:34,750 --> 02:01:37,910
led. We've had town hall meetings that have been developer

1792
02:01:37,910 --> 02:01:40,790
led out in the galleria. So I went down a

1793
02:01:40,790 --> 02:01:44,592
little bit. Of. A rabbit hole. And there's no one

1794
02:01:44,592 --> 02:01:48,672
succinct definition of what a town. Hall meeting is. It's

1795
02:01:48,672 --> 02:01:51,552
one group of people listening to another group of people.

1796
02:01:52,518 --> 02:01:57,520
And I would totally support an OCP. On. Sorry. A

1797
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,640
town hall meeting on the OCP. What I've been struggling

1798
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:03,080
against is. The timing. We have not had to draft

1799
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:06,760
OCP come to council table yet. We have nothing. To

1800
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:12,078
respond. To. I also. Look at going back to what

1801
02:02:12,078 --> 02:02:15,438
does the provincial government do for town hall meetings? Mlas.

1802
02:02:15,438 --> 02:02:22,688
Quite often do independent telephone town hall meetings. What a

1803
02:02:22,693 --> 02:02:26,488
nonprofit organizations do? What do private companies do? Everyone does

1804
02:02:26,853 --> 02:02:29,568
something a little bit different and I want to acknowledge

1805
02:02:29,573 --> 02:02:33,568
that as councilor Lebecki said, port Moody is a leader.

1806
02:03:07,919 --> 02:03:13,752
Nobody is afraid of hearing what our public has. To

1807
02:03:13,752 --> 02:03:16,032
say it's how we do it. And when I note

1808
02:03:16,032 --> 02:03:20,072
that local government there's, no definition in the community charter

1809
02:03:20,072 --> 02:03:25,162
or. In Local Government act about having a town hall

1810
02:03:25,162 --> 02:03:28,162
meeting. It's something that's grown. A little bit organically. And

1811
02:03:28,162 --> 02:03:30,522
as I said earlier, if it's a marriage, town hall

1812
02:03:30,522 --> 02:03:33,082
meeting, the mayor gets to define what that town hall

1813
02:03:33,082 --> 02:03:35,522
meeting looks like. If council is going to have a

1814
02:03:35,522 --> 02:03:39,793
town hall council gets to define. What that looks like.

1815
02:03:41,067 --> 02:03:43,787
I'm certainly not afraid, and I don't think there should

1816
02:03:43,787 --> 02:03:47,307
be any insinuation that we are. It's part of a

1817
02:03:47,307 --> 02:03:49,467
process, and I'll just close by. Saying, one of the

1818
02:03:49,467 --> 02:03:51,787
reasons that I think we've got away from doing town

1819
02:03:51,787 --> 02:03:59,123
hall meetings is because. The online engagement tools are growing

1820
02:03:59,123 --> 02:04:03,583
faster and quicker and providing. More access than we've ever

1821
02:04:03,583 --> 02:04:08,086
had. With our residents before online. And I would say

1822
02:04:08,086 --> 02:04:10,846
certainly going through Covid and looking at the challenge of

1823
02:04:10,846 --> 02:04:14,646
just getting our committee meetings back in person. People don't

1824
02:04:14,646 --> 02:04:17,086
want to come to city hall. They want to. Sit

1825
02:04:17,086 --> 02:04:19,646
at home in their living room from the comfort of

1826
02:04:19,646 --> 02:04:24,791
their computer or their laptop or even their tv. To

1827
02:04:24,791 --> 02:04:28,434
see what's going on at town hall. There's not a

1828
02:04:28,434 --> 02:04:32,030
one size fit all approach. And certainly it's not the

1829
02:04:32,030 --> 02:04:34,550
end all and be all, but it's certainly one. Tool

1830
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:37,951
in the toolbox. That we have on discussing any issue,

1831
02:04:37,951 --> 02:04:41,471
whether it's the OCP, whether it's public safety, whether it's

1832
02:04:41,471 --> 02:04:46,782
snow. It's one tool in the toolbox. So. Yeah, I'm

1833
02:04:46,782 --> 02:04:50,235
looking forward to it. I want to reference something councillor

1834
02:04:50,235 --> 02:04:53,675
Lubecki said earlier. She said, I hope we get everything.

1835
02:04:53,675 --> 02:04:58,334
And all the consultation. Council. Rebecca, you're going to get

1836
02:04:58,334 --> 02:05:05,376
that 2500 page binder. It's coming. So having been through

1837
02:05:05,376 --> 02:05:08,631
that before, Careful what you ask for. Sometimes you'll be

1838
02:05:08,631 --> 02:05:14,215
reading for days. So. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Councilor

1839
02:05:14,215 --> 02:05:19,357
Eggtrap. Thank you. I do strongly support meaningful public engagement

1840
02:05:19,357 --> 02:05:22,926
on these OCP. I think it's really important. To also

1841
02:05:22,926 --> 02:05:26,635
recognize staff's engagement. On all the staff's effort in all

1842
02:05:26,635 --> 02:05:29,715
the engagement conducted today, I feel that this has been

1843
02:05:29,715 --> 02:05:37,984
quite extensive and. This process started back in 2021. So

1844
02:05:37,984 --> 02:05:43,342
multiple years of engagement with multiple formats. And as was

1845
02:05:43,342 --> 02:05:51,257
referenced, It seems like. The engagement for different forms was

1846
02:05:51,257 --> 02:05:54,947
higher in the past. But this spring, we've had seven

1847
02:05:54,947 --> 02:05:58,507
OCP related events, and including working with youth, which I

1848
02:05:58,507 --> 02:06:03,425
greatly appreciate that staff has done that. And I believe

1849
02:06:03,425 --> 02:06:05,745
that this is all being done in good faith to

1850
02:06:05,745 --> 02:06:10,275
ensure that the public's. Voices have been heard. And are

1851
02:06:10,275 --> 02:06:15,241
reflected. I believe that's reflected in the document. In item

1852
02:06:15,241 --> 02:06:19,511
7.1, and I believe that staff will reflect that. In

1853
02:06:19,511 --> 02:06:23,872
the draft. OCP. But I do wonder. If people are

1854
02:06:23,872 --> 02:06:29,872
tired. And why. Are we not seeing sort of what

1855
02:06:29,872 --> 02:06:33,112
the engagement levels were on, like, paper surveys? What is

1856
02:06:33,112 --> 02:06:41,953
the difference. I'm not necessarily opposed to this, but. I

1857
02:06:41,953 --> 02:06:44,393
want to make sure that we are spending time and

1858
02:06:44,393 --> 02:06:49,207
effort in eliciting. Responses from people we haven't heard from.

1859
02:06:50,533 --> 02:06:52,373
And how do we do that and how do we

1860
02:06:52,373 --> 02:06:56,896
do this in a good way? Where we are seeking

1861
02:06:56,896 --> 02:07:04,561
to create. Mutual understanding. Learning about things. That, like a

1862
02:07:04,561 --> 02:07:08,455
two way learning? So I just have some reservations about

1863
02:07:08,455 --> 02:07:12,970
this format. And I would rather refer this to staff

1864
02:07:12,970 --> 02:07:18,619
and not. Be dogmatic about the format itself, but how

1865
02:07:18,619 --> 02:07:23,310
do we do this? In a way. That. We're collectively

1866
02:07:23,310 --> 02:07:27,110
well served, that we have clear outcomes and clear objectives

1867
02:07:27,110 --> 02:07:31,350
defined so that we're ensuring that the feedback from this

1868
02:07:31,350 --> 02:07:38,251
engagement process. Is not only transparently shared. But. The outcomes

1869
02:07:38,251 --> 02:07:41,771
are clearly articulated and how we are going to use

1870
02:07:41,771 --> 02:07:44,171
that and how that is going to be reflected. And

1871
02:07:44,171 --> 02:07:47,772
I think perhaps one of the things. That is not

1872
02:07:47,772 --> 02:07:50,692
missing, but maybe just not. The lines aren't so clearly

1873
02:07:50,692 --> 02:07:54,172
drawn is like when we get feedback and when it

1874
02:07:54,172 --> 02:07:58,652
summarize, how does that relate? Can people see the clear

1875
02:07:58,652 --> 02:08:02,052
lines between their feedback and how is that reflected in

1876
02:08:02,052 --> 02:08:06,149
the document? And so. I don't really have an answer

1877
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:09,530
to this, but I do think. Where we are right

1878
02:08:09,530 --> 02:08:12,730
now in this conversation does speak to a need for

1879
02:08:12,730 --> 02:08:21,310
better communication and. Better just drawing more clear lines so

1880
02:08:21,310 --> 02:08:24,830
that people understand when they give feedback. Where is that

1881
02:08:24,830 --> 02:08:28,550
reflected? In the OCP, so I'll just leave it there.

1882
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:34,595
Thanks. Okay. Thank you. Councilor Lubeck. Thank you so much.

1883
02:08:36,214 --> 02:08:42,513
So as we saw tonight, The 2025 engagement report. And

1884
02:08:42,513 --> 02:08:46,335
we know that that's been done. For years now. Staff

1885
02:08:46,335 --> 02:08:48,815
have been doing an amazing job, and I'm really looking

1886
02:08:48,815 --> 02:08:51,255
forward to what they bring. Together and present to council.

1887
02:08:52,682 --> 02:08:55,682
I actually, as one of our residents said, really enjoyed

1888
02:08:55,682 --> 02:08:59,926
the last OCP town hall. I did hear some frustration

1889
02:08:59,926 --> 02:09:06,892
that the questions were rewarded or not accurately. Interpreted. And

1890
02:09:06,892 --> 02:09:09,172
I was also a little bit disappointed, if I'm honest,

1891
02:09:09,172 --> 02:09:11,892
that we didn't. Have enough time for that dialogue portion,

1892
02:09:11,892 --> 02:09:14,412
but it was great that we got everyone's questions. Answered

1893
02:09:14,412 --> 02:09:19,088
as best as we could. I am supportive of having

1894
02:09:19,088 --> 02:09:22,528
a town hall once that OCP has been actually presented,

1895
02:09:22,528 --> 02:09:29,924
so we have something to talk about. But I think

1896
02:09:29,924 --> 02:09:33,004
it's really important. And Councilor Eggcraft stole all my words.

1897
02:09:34,541 --> 02:09:37,101
But I think it's really important that we articulate why

1898
02:09:37,101 --> 02:09:45,389
we're doing the engagement and help people understand. What? Nobody's

1899
02:09:45,389 --> 02:09:49,004
vision of the ocp. Is going to be exactly reflected

1900
02:09:49,004 --> 02:09:52,348
in what we get back. It won't be everything that

1901
02:09:52,348 --> 02:09:54,788
I want. It won't be everything that my neighbors want,

1902
02:09:54,788 --> 02:09:56,628
but it will be somewhere in the middle of what

1903
02:09:56,628 --> 02:10:00,188
if staff have tried to done to incorporate everybody's feedback

1904
02:10:00,188 --> 02:10:03,148
and everybody's input, and so I think it's really important

1905
02:10:03,148 --> 02:10:05,988
that we have a town hall where people can really

1906
02:10:05,988 --> 02:10:09,588
articulate where they don't. See their don't or do see

1907
02:10:09,588 --> 02:10:13,294
their. Visions articulated. And I think that we did that

1908
02:10:13,294 --> 02:10:16,814
really well with the park town hall. What we heard

1909
02:10:16,814 --> 02:10:21,035
back. Staff were able to take that, make some amendments,

1910
02:10:21,035 --> 02:10:24,675
and also articulate where maybe it wasn't. So clear that

1911
02:10:24,675 --> 02:10:30,396
that was the plan. But I also think. The way.

1912
02:10:31,724 --> 02:10:33,804
And I think that public engagement is always important. I

1913
02:10:33,804 --> 02:10:35,724
think back a lot to there was a mayor that

1914
02:10:35,724 --> 02:10:40,184
I was on a panel on depolarization on. And he

1915
02:10:40,184 --> 02:10:43,024
said that when their OCP came out, this was some

1916
02:10:43,024 --> 02:10:46,327
small town. In the us. But he said when their

1917
02:10:46,327 --> 02:10:51,220
ocp came out, Everyone. It's not that everybody agreed, but

1918
02:10:51,220 --> 02:10:56,048
it was that they understood. How their comments had been

1919
02:10:56,048 --> 02:10:59,768
reflected in that document. So they had very little pushback

1920
02:10:59,768 --> 02:11:02,208
in the community. And I think it's really important that

1921
02:11:02,208 --> 02:11:06,258
people do see that we have listened and how? So

1922
02:11:06,258 --> 02:11:09,445
I'm happy to have a town hall. I do think

1923
02:11:09,445 --> 02:11:12,570
that. We should potentially refer this. I'm not going to

1924
02:11:12,570 --> 02:11:14,410
make the motion because I won't. Hear from my colleagues,

1925
02:11:14,410 --> 02:11:16,610
but I do think we should potentially refer this to

1926
02:11:16,610 --> 02:11:20,050
strategic initiatives and rather meaning to talk about what kind

1927
02:11:20,050 --> 02:11:29,183
of format? Open mic online hybrid. Tables. What would help

1928
02:11:29,183 --> 02:11:32,743
us elicit what we need to make sure everyone feels

1929
02:11:32,743 --> 02:11:37,623
heard but also safe. And is encouraged to provide, to

1930
02:11:37,623 --> 02:11:42,324
take part in whatever way makes sense to them. Well.

1931
02:11:44,065 --> 02:11:48,739
The motion is very prescriptive on that, so. If you're

1932
02:11:48,739 --> 02:11:54,875
wanting to refer this. To. A committee meeting for further

1933
02:11:54,875 --> 02:11:59,889
discussion. You can make that motion. Or amend this motion.

1934
02:12:03,536 --> 02:12:06,176
To remove that and just say that it be referred

1935
02:12:06,176 --> 02:12:10,662
to a committee meeting. To determine the format, the exact

1936
02:12:10,662 --> 02:12:16,292
format. So it's up to you how you would like

1937
02:12:16,292 --> 02:12:18,812
to do on that. Sounds good. I will wait because

1938
02:12:18,812 --> 02:12:21,469
I know that. Thank you. Put that out there to

1939
02:12:21,469 --> 02:12:28,203
council for consideration. Councilor Knowles. Thank you. I essentially want

1940
02:12:28,203 --> 02:12:33,435
to echo a lot of what councilor Eggtrap said. We've

1941
02:12:33,435 --> 02:12:37,824
had several discussions about this already. Seven OCP events. My

1942
02:12:37,824 --> 02:12:40,464
concern is that exactly what you said. Maryland, this is

1943
02:12:40,464 --> 02:12:43,744
a very prescriptive motion that has already been seconded in

1944
02:12:43,744 --> 02:12:49,680
front of us without any information. About cost. Even this

1945
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:53,753
designed invitation. I don't know what that means. Perhaps. The

1946
02:12:53,753 --> 02:12:57,913
mover can clarify what that means as opposed to what

1947
02:12:57,913 --> 02:13:01,233
we normally send to households, but yes. For me, the

1948
02:13:01,233 --> 02:13:07,854
major concern. Is. There's no discussion about costs here. And

1949
02:13:07,854 --> 02:13:10,534
considering we've had so many OCP events and we plan

1950
02:13:10,534 --> 02:13:13,334
to have more and we've already received so much information.

1951
02:13:14,887 --> 02:13:19,027
I cannot support the motion as it is currently. On

1952
02:13:19,027 --> 02:13:21,547
the table. I would be willing to support referring this

1953
02:13:21,547 --> 02:13:25,387
back to staff to bring back report. Regarding feasibility, resources,

1954
02:13:25,387 --> 02:13:29,147
timeline, et cetera. Thank you. Okay, so what I'm hearing

1955
02:13:29,147 --> 02:13:36,076
is question. About cost, question about format or concern. About.

1956
02:13:36,076 --> 02:13:41,994
Maybe not. Having nailed down the correct. Way to gather

1957
02:13:41,994 --> 02:13:47,970
that information. And I will add in. My concern around

1958
02:13:47,970 --> 02:13:52,090
the timing and stuff. So whatever we decide and listen,

1959
02:13:52,090 --> 02:13:54,210
I'm going to. Support whatever council wants to do here.

1960
02:13:56,538 --> 02:14:01,072
But we need to make sure that. We're not interfering

1961
02:14:01,072 --> 02:14:05,392
with a process that has a timeline. And not to

1962
02:14:05,392 --> 02:14:08,032
say that we cannot delay it if we choose to,

1963
02:14:08,032 --> 02:14:12,643
but we do have a timeline. We are required to

1964
02:14:12,643 --> 02:14:15,843
have this wrapped up at a certain point, so we

1965
02:14:15,843 --> 02:14:17,803
just want to make sure that staff can confirm that

1966
02:14:17,803 --> 02:14:22,502
this. Is not going to. In any way or how

1967
02:14:22,502 --> 02:14:27,569
we can make this happen. Without. Sort of threatening or

1968
02:14:27,569 --> 02:14:32,574
in any way putting. Any creating a problem for staff.

1969
02:14:36,218 --> 02:14:44,444
Councilor morrison. Thank you, mayor. I appreciate the motion. And

1970
02:14:44,444 --> 02:14:47,844
the attempt to try to have a more concrete design

1971
02:14:47,844 --> 02:14:50,823
of. What council Lebecki is trying to see at one

1972
02:14:50,823 --> 02:14:55,488
of these town halls. Where I agree with my colleagues,

1973
02:14:55,488 --> 02:15:00,968
including councilor Lubic and councilor Agtrap, is around the gap

1974
02:15:00,968 --> 02:15:02,968
in information. What are we missing? What are we trying

1975
02:15:02,968 --> 02:15:08,520
to get? And I appreciate that because. I actually thought

1976
02:15:08,520 --> 02:15:11,193
that the way that we did our last. Town hall

1977
02:15:11,193 --> 02:15:15,544
engagement process. Council was accessible. We were here. Or most

1978
02:15:15,544 --> 02:15:16,824
of us were here. I don't think all of us

1979
02:15:16,824 --> 02:15:19,424
came in person, but most of us were here in

1980
02:15:19,424 --> 02:15:23,313
person. Could be accessed before or. After the meeting. We

1981
02:15:23,313 --> 02:15:27,613
had staff, the professionals of. These particular documents, answering questions

1982
02:15:27,613 --> 02:15:30,373
from the public that council may not be able to

1983
02:15:30,373 --> 02:15:33,133
answer anyways. And we would just be saying, hey, can

1984
02:15:33,133 --> 02:15:38,113
you answer this for us? Staff member x. And they

1985
02:15:38,113 --> 02:15:40,633
had an open mic session at the OCP portion where

1986
02:15:40,633 --> 02:15:42,833
people could raise their hand. And actually speak. If they

1987
02:15:42,833 --> 02:15:45,153
wanted to speak with the open mic, they had the

1988
02:15:45,153 --> 02:15:49,233
opportunity to submit. Something online, anonymously, up on a board

1989
02:15:49,233 --> 02:15:53,173
that everybody could see and help vote. And we could

1990
02:15:53,173 --> 02:15:55,733
answer. And all the questions were answered online as much

1991
02:15:55,733 --> 02:16:00,083
as possible after the fact. So I'm just wondering what

1992
02:16:00,083 --> 02:16:03,043
different group of people is going to come out to

1993
02:16:03,043 --> 02:16:05,163
another one of these town halls that hasn't already been

1994
02:16:05,163 --> 02:16:10,955
represented. It just feels like. We're trying to redo the

1995
02:16:10,955 --> 02:16:12,915
same thing over and over again to get a different

1996
02:16:12,915 --> 02:16:18,287
result? We have 50 people show up. Each time and

1997
02:16:18,287 --> 02:16:20,567
say the same sort of things, and I'm not hearing

1998
02:16:20,567 --> 02:16:23,887
a ton of different concerns, and I'm wondering what another

1999
02:16:23,887 --> 02:16:27,045
town hall is going to do. Now, perhaps, like my

2000
02:16:27,045 --> 02:16:33,194
colleagues have mentioned, Having. That the draft, full draft version

2001
02:16:33,194 --> 02:16:35,794
come out and be able to really dig into it

2002
02:16:35,794 --> 02:16:39,274
first, would be helpful and maybe there are some concerns

2003
02:16:39,274 --> 02:16:41,234
and things that come up, and that's the whole idea

2004
02:16:41,234 --> 02:16:46,114
of having the multiple readings to the OCP, including a

2005
02:16:46,114 --> 02:16:49,335
public hearing. In regards to the OCP, that would happen

2006
02:16:49,335 --> 02:16:53,674
as well. So I agree that we want to be

2007
02:16:53,674 --> 02:16:56,274
as accessible and make this as open as possible for

2008
02:16:56,274 --> 02:16:59,514
people to communicate with. Council we have two opportunities every

2009
02:16:59,514 --> 02:17:01,914
single meeting for people to tell us their thoughts on

2010
02:17:01,914 --> 02:17:05,267
anything, not just what's on the agenda. We're very fluid,

2011
02:17:05,267 --> 02:17:07,627
as Councilor Dilworth mentioned, in regards to how much public

2012
02:17:07,627 --> 02:17:11,787
input we accept. And they can talk about the OCP

2013
02:17:11,787 --> 02:17:13,507
every single time they want to call in. If they

2014
02:17:13,507 --> 02:17:19,995
want to, but they don't. So. I'm always, always happy

2015
02:17:19,995 --> 02:17:23,075
to hear from the public. And I was standing outside

2016
02:17:23,075 --> 02:17:24,635
waiting for people to come up and chat with me

2017
02:17:24,635 --> 02:17:26,395
about my thoughts on it if they really wanted to.

2018
02:17:26,395 --> 02:17:31,636
Be directly speaking to a counselor or a counsel. And

2019
02:17:31,636 --> 02:17:33,996
one or two people maybe came up to me afterwards,

2020
02:17:33,996 --> 02:17:35,596
and I'm not sure if that's the same experience that

2021
02:17:35,596 --> 02:17:38,836
my other colleagues had in regards to it, but it

2022
02:17:38,836 --> 02:17:43,909
was typically single issues, questions and. Easy, straightforward answers that

2023
02:17:43,909 --> 02:17:45,509
I could give if I had the ability to give

2024
02:17:45,509 --> 02:17:48,549
it or refer to the right department to get more

2025
02:17:48,549 --> 02:17:52,313
information if they didn't, but. I want this to be

2026
02:17:52,313 --> 02:17:54,953
effective for the purpose of the public input, not to

2027
02:17:54,953 --> 02:17:56,993
just be another. Opportunity for the same people to come

2028
02:17:56,993 --> 02:17:59,833
out and say the same thing that we've heard. Two

2029
02:17:59,833 --> 02:18:01,553
or three times because a lot of the same people

2030
02:18:01,553 --> 02:18:05,033
came to both of those town halls. Around the same

2031
02:18:05,033 --> 02:18:08,033
issue. And I think that our normal process that we

2032
02:18:08,033 --> 02:18:12,918
have for this with the seven engagement sess. Sessions. That

2033
02:18:12,918 --> 02:18:17,320
councilor Ektrap mentioned and councilor Knowles mentioned. Is great. Plus

2034
02:18:17,320 --> 02:18:19,960
the remaining stages we still have to go through. And

2035
02:18:19,960 --> 02:18:22,720
if at that point we feel that we do need

2036
02:18:22,720 --> 02:18:25,640
to have this town hall. I am absolutely happy to

2037
02:18:25,640 --> 02:18:27,720
do that. If there's that many questions coming up that

2038
02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:30,440
was completely out of left field that we need. To

2039
02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:33,240
really hone in on, but unless we're getting different information

2040
02:18:33,240 --> 02:18:35,600
from groups that haven't been represented. I don't know if

2041
02:18:35,600 --> 02:18:38,709
it's going to be val. Valuable to the same extent.

2042
02:18:38,709 --> 02:18:46,710
Thank you. I think, to be fair, to date. The

2043
02:18:46,710 --> 02:18:52,854
engagement. Has been. On collecting input on what the potential

2044
02:18:52,854 --> 02:18:59,075
plan would be. What councilor Larbecci is referring to. Is

2045
02:18:59,075 --> 02:19:02,155
actually after that document has the draft document has been

2046
02:19:02,155 --> 02:19:08,951
received. To then have that be discussed. As a document

2047
02:19:08,951 --> 02:19:14,248
as opposed to. Seeking an opportunity for engagement, so I

2048
02:19:14,248 --> 02:19:20,787
see value in that. But I don't disagree. With. Many

2049
02:19:20,787 --> 02:19:23,947
of the comments around the fact that perhaps maybe we

2050
02:19:23,947 --> 02:19:25,787
want to talk a little bit more. About what we

2051
02:19:25,787 --> 02:19:29,429
want that to look like because. Obviously, what I'm hearing

2052
02:19:29,429 --> 02:19:34,342
around the table is a desire to have transparency. To

2053
02:19:34,342 --> 02:19:40,975
have counsel. Hear from the community, and most importantly, I

2054
02:19:40,975 --> 02:19:44,935
think the most important aspect of Councilor Becky's motion is.

2055
02:19:47,176 --> 02:19:51,982
That. The purpose is to inform counsel initiated changes to

2056
02:19:51,982 --> 02:19:57,694
the document not dissimilar to the changes that occurred. After.

2057
02:19:59,872 --> 02:20:03,072
The town hall that we just received, that we just

2058
02:20:03,072 --> 02:20:08,232
held on park expansion, which did as councilor. Lubic stated

2059
02:20:08,232 --> 02:20:13,580
lead to changes to that potential document. So I do

2060
02:20:13,580 --> 02:20:18,460
see value in receiving that input. I don't disagree, though,

2061
02:20:18,460 --> 02:20:22,460
that perhaps, maybe we want to have a further discussion.

2062
02:20:22,460 --> 02:20:24,980
About what that looks like so that we can really

2063
02:20:24,980 --> 02:20:32,314
take advantage of. Really making this a meaningful. Interaction with

2064
02:20:32,314 --> 02:20:36,118
our community and. What we really want to try and

2065
02:20:36,118 --> 02:20:39,758
do is create an atmosphere where people can provide their

2066
02:20:39,758 --> 02:20:42,798
input. We can answer questions that we have the ability

2067
02:20:42,798 --> 02:20:45,238
to answer. You're right. We may be. Referring a lot

2068
02:20:45,238 --> 02:20:49,854
of it to staff. But it's an opportunity, another opportunity

2069
02:20:49,854 --> 02:20:54,374
for the community. Now, again, my biggest concern is timing.

2070
02:20:54,374 --> 02:21:02,694
And. How? We would roll that out. And so I'm

2071
02:21:02,694 --> 02:21:04,414
going to go to councilor Dilworth, because I see she

2072
02:21:04,414 --> 02:21:07,134
has her hand up for a second time, and then

2073
02:21:07,134 --> 02:21:10,014
I'm going to ask staff if they can sort of

2074
02:21:10,014 --> 02:21:14,134
give us a little bit of information or some advice

2075
02:21:14,134 --> 02:21:18,054
on, if we wanted to. Have another opportunity after the

2076
02:21:18,054 --> 02:21:21,214
document has been received, what the timing might look like

2077
02:21:21,214 --> 02:21:23,581
for something like that. So, Councilor Dorwood, do you have

2078
02:21:23,581 --> 02:21:27,782
something new to add? Through to Ms. Lamb. Do we

2079
02:21:27,782 --> 02:21:30,102
know exactly how much time I have left of my

2080
02:21:30,102 --> 02:21:35,267
five minute speaking. Okay. I'll be really quick. I just

2081
02:21:35,267 --> 02:21:37,027
want to pick up on some of the things I've

2082
02:21:37,027 --> 02:21:39,547
heard from my colleagues, and it's about where are the

2083
02:21:39,547 --> 02:21:43,643
gaps in information? That we're not getting. Who aren't we

2084
02:21:43,643 --> 02:21:47,683
hearing from? And how can we better? Support and incentivize.

2085
02:21:47,683 --> 02:21:53,427
And I'll use three examples. Youth focus committee. Bringing pizza

2086
02:21:53,427 --> 02:21:56,507
to those meetings got those kids to come out and

2087
02:21:56,507 --> 02:21:59,147
serve on committees. When we used to have our budget

2088
02:21:59,147 --> 02:22:01,507
town hall meetings every year, we'd have a budget. Town

2089
02:22:01,507 --> 02:22:04,387
hall meeting, and we would have an iPad as a

2090
02:22:04,387 --> 02:22:07,827
raffle, and we could fill this. Theater with people. But

2091
02:22:07,827 --> 02:22:09,987
are they coming for the chance of winning an iPad,

2092
02:22:09,987 --> 02:22:13,393
or are they actually. Coming down to provide input or

2093
02:22:13,393 --> 02:22:15,873
hear what we had to say about the budget and

2094
02:22:15,873 --> 02:22:20,233
the taxes. And the third one is we have large

2095
02:22:20,233 --> 02:22:24,033
ethnic communities in Port Moody. How do we hear from

2096
02:22:24,033 --> 02:22:27,313
them. Is it something as simple as providing a translator?

2097
02:22:28,774 --> 02:22:32,360
I'm not looking to rework the process. I'm not looking

2098
02:22:32,360 --> 02:22:34,480
at adding extra work to staff, but I think it's

2099
02:22:34,480 --> 02:22:38,080
a conversation that we have, and if it means a

2100
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:42,000
referral to the strategic initiatives committee where staff will come

2101
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:45,680
prepared with some information, maybe some answers to the questions

2102
02:22:45,680 --> 02:22:49,142
that we've raised tonight. Why don't I do that right

2103
02:22:49,142 --> 02:22:50,982
now? Why don't I just make a motion? To refer

2104
02:22:50,982 --> 02:22:55,382
this to the strategic initiative committee at the soonest possible

2105
02:22:55,382 --> 02:23:01,673
time. To have a further discussion. On. The well served

2106
02:23:01,673 --> 02:23:04,033
outcomes that we're looking for. How do we meet them

2107
02:23:04,033 --> 02:23:07,838
and define further? What the process might look like. Thank

2108
02:23:07,838 --> 02:23:13,608
you. Can I ask? That. Thank you for that, councilor.

2109
02:23:15,237 --> 02:23:20,983
That staff. When is the next meeting that this could

2110
02:23:20,983 --> 02:23:26,564
be? I know these things take time, so. I don't

2111
02:23:26,564 --> 02:23:29,444
want us to be in any way interfering with staff.

2112
02:23:31,523 --> 02:23:36,692
Timelines. If we don't have to, but. We may be

2113
02:23:36,692 --> 02:23:46,654
doing that inadvertently, Ms. Smith. Go

2114
02:23:46,654 --> 02:23:50,763
ahead. Through the chair. Currently, what staff have queued up

2115
02:23:50,763 --> 02:23:54,323
is based on the endorsement of the community. Engagement summary.

2116
02:23:54,323 --> 02:23:57,963
Tonight we are bringing the draft of the OCP to

2117
02:23:57,963 --> 02:24:04,203
the July 15 committee. Then if that was supported there,

2118
02:24:04,203 --> 02:24:06,723
the next step would be bringing it forward. For first

2119
02:24:06,723 --> 02:24:15,158
reading in September. Okay, so July. Okay. So. For September.

2120
02:24:15,158 --> 02:24:19,478
Okay. For first reading. First reading September and then referral

2121
02:24:19,478 --> 02:24:21,958
for public hearing, which would be later in the fall

2122
02:24:21,958 --> 02:24:24,358
with adoption by the end of the year. So it

2123
02:24:24,358 --> 02:24:28,993
seems like this. Is. A doable. Something we can achieve.

2124
02:24:30,462 --> 02:24:34,342
With this motion. It could be on the strategic initiatives

2125
02:24:34,342 --> 02:24:38,622
committee on July 15 at the same night. That we

2126
02:24:38,622 --> 02:24:44,560
receive it and then we can have the conversation. Okay.

2127
02:24:46,409 --> 02:24:51,790
If this is endorsed. Okay. So this is being referred

2128
02:24:51,790 --> 02:24:54,270
to a committee so we can have a discussion. Is

2129
02:24:54,270 --> 02:24:57,966
there anybody that wishes to speak to this. Just put

2130
02:24:57,966 --> 02:25:02,286
your hand up. Councilor Lebecki. Thank you. So my understanding

2131
02:25:02,286 --> 02:25:04,886
is this motion. Is being referred to committee, so I

2132
02:25:04,886 --> 02:25:08,656
can support that. I hesitantly support that. And the reason

2133
02:25:08,656 --> 02:25:11,016
is what I described, which is we talk about this

2134
02:25:11,016 --> 02:25:14,456
twice. The reason I'm so prescriptive is what I said,

2135
02:25:14,456 --> 02:25:16,776
which is we talked about. It and talked about it

2136
02:25:16,776 --> 02:25:21,296
in minute detail, past motions that didn't have those details

2137
02:25:21,296 --> 02:25:24,536
and then nothing like that happens. So again, I'm not.

2138
02:25:24,536 --> 02:25:28,520
What happened was, well. Done. Absolutely. But it did not

2139
02:25:28,520 --> 02:25:30,800
align with the council conversation. Again, I don't know how.

2140
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:33,800
That happened. Anyway, let's move on. But I would be

2141
02:25:33,800 --> 02:25:37,480
curious. Which of these exactly, council? Would disagree with, right?

2142
02:25:38,925 --> 02:25:40,685
I don't want to move away from the intention, and

2143
02:25:40,685 --> 02:25:45,112
the community is watching. And how clear this is. What

2144
02:25:45,112 --> 02:25:47,752
the goals are that have not been achieved. Is that

2145
02:25:47,752 --> 02:25:50,832
open free space? So sure, let's. Talk about it. I'm

2146
02:25:50,832 --> 02:25:53,352
a little gun shy of going down the same path

2147
02:25:53,352 --> 02:25:55,512
where we think we blended on something and it doesn't

2148
02:25:55,512 --> 02:25:58,592
happen that way. So I will strongly be advocating for

2149
02:25:58,592 --> 02:26:00,432
the goals that are outlined here, but if we want

2150
02:26:00,432 --> 02:26:02,832
to send it to comedian, make sure that we get

2151
02:26:02,832 --> 02:26:05,738
this exactly perfect. Absolutely right. With the most people possible,

2152
02:26:05,738 --> 02:26:10,178
then. That's awesome. Thank you. I'm envisioning something that actually

2153
02:26:10,178 --> 02:26:16,491
adds to this. It? Perhaps, maybe additional. Something additional I'm

2154
02:26:16,491 --> 02:26:19,919
not taking away. Okay, anyone else that wants to speak

2155
02:26:19,919 --> 02:26:23,710
to this? Okay, I've got councilor Lubic and then councilor

2156
02:26:23,710 --> 02:26:29,502
Knowles in order. Go ahead, Councilor Lubic. Thank you very

2157
02:26:29,502 --> 02:26:31,982
much. I think I'm just going to. Echo for now.

2158
02:26:31,982 --> 02:26:35,461
What? Councilor Diller said. And two things that came through

2159
02:26:35,461 --> 02:26:38,261
my mind, like translation services. I don't know how expensive

2160
02:26:38,261 --> 02:26:40,421
that is. I think that is a really good idea.

2161
02:26:40,421 --> 02:26:43,021
Or even just like, specific outreach, because we know, we

2162
02:26:43,021 --> 02:26:47,818
do have some community organizations. And the other thing was,

2163
02:26:47,818 --> 02:26:50,498
I know that pizza is sometimes just a way to

2164
02:26:50,498 --> 02:26:54,994
get people here. That maybe don't care as much. But

2165
02:26:54,994 --> 02:26:57,394
food is also what brings us together. And when our

2166
02:26:57,394 --> 02:27:00,274
bellies are full, we're happier and we make better decisions,

2167
02:27:00,274 --> 02:27:04,182
and we're also nicer to each other. So I would

2168
02:27:04,182 --> 02:27:09,756
strongly advocate for food to be available. Food. And child

2169
02:27:09,756 --> 02:27:12,636
care. Okay, well, we can have those conversations at that

2170
02:27:12,636 --> 02:27:18,196
meeting. Thank you, councilor. Councilor. Knowles. Yeah. So, again, to

2171
02:27:18,196 --> 02:27:21,876
reiterate my primary concern, although I do agree the timing

2172
02:27:21,876 --> 02:27:26,036
is an issue, especially since we have already delayed this

2173
02:27:26,036 --> 02:27:28,276
to give extra time to the park lounge. Strategy is.

2174
02:27:29,410 --> 02:27:33,160
Again costs. So I'm hoping that. If we vote to

2175
02:27:33,160 --> 02:27:36,920
refer this to strategic committee meeting, if we could also

2176
02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:41,894
get some information at that regarding potential costs. I would

2177
02:27:41,894 --> 02:27:44,334
personally appreciate that. That's going to be the information that

2178
02:27:44,334 --> 02:27:47,694
I'm looking for. Thank you. Do you need direction on

2179
02:27:47,694 --> 02:27:51,536
that? Staff will have that for us. Okay, I don't

2180
02:27:51,536 --> 02:27:56,096
see any other comments or questions here. So this is

2181
02:27:56,096 --> 02:28:00,098
a good thing. We're not voting this down. We're actually,

2182
02:28:00,098 --> 02:28:03,163
I think, promoting this. To further conversation so that we

2183
02:28:03,163 --> 02:28:06,380
can get it right. So on the motion to refer

2184
02:28:06,380 --> 02:28:12,357
to strategic priorities to further discuss. The format. I'll call

2185
02:28:12,357 --> 02:28:16,277
the question. All in favor? Opposed? Carried unanimously. Thank you

2186
02:28:16,277 --> 02:28:18,477
for that. And thank you, Councilor Becky, for bringing that

2187
02:28:18,477 --> 02:28:24,355
forward. We'll go to councilor. Sorry. We'll go to item

2188
02:28:24,355 --> 02:28:28,195
11.8, which. Is councilor Agtarap's motion. Thank you. And in

2189
02:28:28,195 --> 02:28:30,955
the interest of time, I. Will buck the trend. I

2190
02:28:30,955 --> 02:28:34,412
will not read it. I'm assuming you all have. Second.

2191
02:28:35,617 --> 02:28:40,057
Moved and seconded. Okay. Just some general remarks on it.

2192
02:28:40,057 --> 02:28:43,057
We all know that businesses are facing rising costs, shifting

2193
02:28:43,057 --> 02:28:47,857
consumer habits, and intense pressure from circumstances beyond their control.

2194
02:28:47,857 --> 02:28:51,377
And in times of economic uncertainty, commercial landlords may default

2195
02:28:51,377 --> 02:28:57,654
to safe tenants. So those anchor. Tenants. That are like

2196
02:28:57,654 --> 02:29:01,907
banks and other things like that. That may be lower

2197
02:29:01,907 --> 02:29:05,917
risk but also have lower impact on. Employment generation, foot

2198
02:29:05,917 --> 02:29:10,197
traffic, and streetscape interaction. So I believe that city policy

2199
02:29:10,197 --> 02:29:13,237
can be a tool to ensure that we foster the

2200
02:29:13,237 --> 02:29:15,877
port Moody's diverse and dynamic economy that I know we

2201
02:29:15,877 --> 02:29:20,130
all support. Ground level commercial spaces play a critical role

2202
02:29:20,130 --> 02:29:26,083
in advocating streetscapes, drawing people to interesting spaces. And supporting

2203
02:29:26,083 --> 02:29:29,843
local economic diversity. This motion is about exploring options to

2204
02:29:29,843 --> 02:29:32,763
ensure our policies and zoning support a diverse mix of

2205
02:29:32,763 --> 02:29:36,643
retail, service and cultural spaces. The toas are growing hubs,

2206
02:29:36,643 --> 02:29:39,323
and as we densify in these areas, we need to

2207
02:29:39,323 --> 02:29:43,203
signal our desire for intentional placemaking. So that we don't

2208
02:29:43,203 --> 02:29:46,770
default to passive low interaction uses. That, while important, don't

2209
02:29:46,770 --> 02:29:51,170
necessarily support neighborhood vitality and don't necessarily need to be

2210
02:29:51,170 --> 02:29:54,770
located on the street front. This motion is not about

2211
02:29:54,770 --> 02:29:59,733
restricting, but about creating. Intentional space for better outcomes. For

2212
02:29:59,733 --> 02:30:03,053
example, understanding the barriers to subdivision of larger spaces into

2213
02:30:03,053 --> 02:30:07,173
smaller ones. Could provide much needed flexibility and support local

2214
02:30:07,173 --> 02:30:09,853
and small scale and startup businesses that are currently priced

2215
02:30:09,853 --> 02:30:14,453
out of larger and newer spaces. Similarly, mapping existing health

2216
02:30:14,453 --> 02:30:19,357
services allows us to plan proactively. Understanding service gaps and

2217
02:30:19,357 --> 02:30:23,661
align with broader equity and access. Schools. This supports, not

2218
02:30:23,661 --> 02:30:27,941
replaces, provincial planning and our UBCM advocacy. From 11.3 young

2219
02:30:27,941 --> 02:30:31,501
primary care clinics in general. This motion is asking for

2220
02:30:31,501 --> 02:30:34,821
the Economic Development and Tourism Committee feedback before proceeding. Down

2221
02:30:34,821 --> 02:30:37,381
a path that takes up too much staff time. This

2222
02:30:37,381 --> 02:30:40,781
exploratory work with the committee is intended to inform future

2223
02:30:40,781 --> 02:30:43,689
steps and aligns with the committee's current work plan. I

2224
02:30:43,689 --> 02:30:47,409
believe this motion also supports our collective vision and aligns

2225
02:30:47,409 --> 02:30:50,689
with our desire for vibrant and prosperous community. So I

2226
02:30:50,689 --> 02:30:53,929
hope everyone can support this. Thank you. Thank you, councilor.

2227
02:30:53,929 --> 02:30:58,649
Any feedback, councilor? Morrison. Thank you. I appreciate this motion

2228
02:30:58,649 --> 02:31:00,609
by councilor egg trap because I know that this discussion

2229
02:31:00,609 --> 02:31:04,514
has come up at council about. What do we want?

2230
02:31:04,514 --> 02:31:07,794
Our toas and our denser areas and our evolving new.

2231
02:31:09,197 --> 02:31:12,637
Hubs to look like as far as commercial services go.

2232
02:31:12,637 --> 02:31:14,997
And what other things have we seen? In other municipalities

2233
02:31:14,997 --> 02:31:18,557
that have been challenges, and we talk about North Road,

2234
02:31:18,557 --> 02:31:21,837
Clark Road, et cetera. And the distribution of certain types

2235
02:31:21,837 --> 02:31:27,663
of services. Being represented or overrepresented in those areas. So

2236
02:31:27,663 --> 02:31:30,943
I appreciate this being referred to the economic development tourism

2237
02:31:30,943 --> 02:31:34,383
committee. We have discussed a little bit, not as much

2238
02:31:34,383 --> 02:31:37,743
in depth as that this is requesting about ways in

2239
02:31:37,743 --> 02:31:42,942
which we can try to encourage certain. Commercial uses, specifically

2240
02:31:42,942 --> 02:31:46,622
on ground level to create that vibrancy, et cetera, in

2241
02:31:46,622 --> 02:31:52,907
those areas. To encourage more pedestrian friendly and higher turnover

2242
02:31:52,907 --> 02:31:56,747
that helps those smaller shops with their ability to survive.

2243
02:31:56,747 --> 02:32:00,347
As opposed to professional services such as dentists or nail

2244
02:32:00,347 --> 02:32:04,507
salons, et cetera, that may not have that same amount,

2245
02:32:04,507 --> 02:32:07,467
but can charge higher dollar amounts to survive. Banks is

2246
02:32:07,467 --> 02:32:12,915
another example. They're usually quite well established anchor tenants. That

2247
02:32:12,915 --> 02:32:15,195
landlords look for because they pay well and they are

2248
02:32:15,195 --> 02:32:21,005
there forever. So I appreciate this. The one thing that

2249
02:32:21,005 --> 02:32:23,205
did come up, though, in the committee was the fact

2250
02:32:23,205 --> 02:32:25,165
that a lot of times. By the time even a

2251
02:32:25,165 --> 02:32:28,085
project gets the first reading with us, they've almost already.

2252
02:32:29,496 --> 02:32:33,136
Determined their anchor tenants. We're talking years in advance of

2253
02:32:33,136 --> 02:32:36,616
being even built. So that's. One thing that there was

2254
02:32:36,616 --> 02:32:39,496
a little bit of discussion about our sustainability report card

2255
02:32:39,496 --> 02:32:42,056
trying to get more information in advance, perhaps different ways

2256
02:32:42,056 --> 02:32:45,336
of scoring through that to try to encourage local small

2257
02:32:45,336 --> 02:32:48,016
business and the diversity of businesses, and it's a lot

2258
02:32:48,016 --> 02:32:50,682
easier when you have a master plan. Community like what

2259
02:32:50,682 --> 02:32:52,842
we have in Newport village with one developer doing it

2260
02:32:52,842 --> 02:32:56,042
all, or in Suterbrook with one developer doing it all

2261
02:32:56,042 --> 02:32:58,482
where they can balance their tenant mixes to make sure

2262
02:32:58,482 --> 02:33:03,002
that everybody can survive, as opposed to individual landowners having

2263
02:33:03,002 --> 02:33:06,082
control over one small lot and there being seven. 8910

2264
02:33:06,082 --> 02:33:10,208
of them. So I am supportive of this. I don't

2265
02:33:10,208 --> 02:33:11,608
know what some of the legal context will be, but

2266
02:33:11,608 --> 02:33:15,972
I'm hoping that our manager of economic development. Will be

2267
02:33:15,972 --> 02:33:19,012
able to provide that information to us if we have

2268
02:33:19,012 --> 02:33:22,092
the power to be able to. Do anything about that

2269
02:33:22,092 --> 02:33:24,052
and restrict anything like that. I hope we'll get those

2270
02:33:24,052 --> 02:33:26,412
answers at the committee when it does come to it,

2271
02:33:26,412 --> 02:33:28,052
if it is supported by the rest of my colleagues.

2272
02:33:28,052 --> 02:33:31,412
But thank you for bringing it forward. Thank you. Councilor.

2273
02:33:31,412 --> 02:33:34,772
Councilor lubic. Thank you so. Much. I'll be very brief,

2274
02:33:34,772 --> 02:33:36,165
as I know. It's late, but I just wanted to

2275
02:33:36,165 --> 02:33:40,650
say I really appreciate this being brought forward. And I

2276
02:33:40,650 --> 02:33:42,570
think for me, one of the critical pieces is really

2277
02:33:42,570 --> 02:33:47,130
that activation of the pedestrian realm. And understanding that foot

2278
02:33:47,130 --> 02:33:51,798
track that businesses need and that really. Is how the

2279
02:33:51,798 --> 02:33:57,267
business ecosystems can thrive. And we've talked a lot about

2280
02:33:57,267 --> 02:34:01,467
in the tod area, those small businesses that are going

2281
02:34:01,467 --> 02:34:04,724
to be struggling or are struggling. Because of some of

2282
02:34:04,724 --> 02:34:08,609
the rents that they're facing. So I think I know

2283
02:34:08,609 --> 02:34:11,289
the Economic Development Committee is very passionate about this, as

2284
02:34:11,289 --> 02:34:15,073
this committee. So I look forward to hearing what the

2285
02:34:15,073 --> 02:34:18,908
results are. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. My only comment

2286
02:34:18,908 --> 02:34:21,508
is going to be sort of like I look at

2287
02:34:21,508 --> 02:34:25,955
the motion that was served by councilor. Councilor Lubic and

2288
02:34:25,955 --> 02:34:29,315
I earlier this evening around primary care clinic space and

2289
02:34:29,315 --> 02:34:31,875
the fact that we don't have a lot of it.

2290
02:34:31,875 --> 02:34:34,435
And if there was a doctor's office. That wanted to

2291
02:34:34,435 --> 02:34:36,995
open up in fort Mooney, and it happened to be

2292
02:34:36,995 --> 02:34:39,915
on the ground floor. I would certainly hope that we

2293
02:34:39,915 --> 02:34:43,275
aren't discouraging them from doing that because we have to

2294
02:34:43,275 --> 02:34:46,828
balance it out. I get. That I understand the intention

2295
02:34:46,828 --> 02:34:48,868
of this and I support it for the most part,

2296
02:34:48,868 --> 02:34:52,865
but I don't like the idea of restricting. Extended health

2297
02:34:52,865 --> 02:34:56,145
services as a permitted use on ground level across the

2298
02:34:56,145 --> 02:34:59,065
board. I think we need to be looking at encouraging

2299
02:34:59,065 --> 02:35:01,545
it on the second floors, and we need to be

2300
02:35:01,545 --> 02:35:05,745
really putting that out. To developers at the outset of

2301
02:35:05,745 --> 02:35:08,505
these conversations when they are first coming to us so

2302
02:35:08,505 --> 02:35:14,967
that they're designing these spaces. With the right. Sort of

2303
02:35:14,967 --> 02:35:18,607
the right, I guess, buildable space for those services because

2304
02:35:18,607 --> 02:35:22,407
we have a dearth. Of these in Port Mooney, so

2305
02:35:22,407 --> 02:35:24,647
I don't want to be doing one that is going

2306
02:35:24,647 --> 02:35:31,351
to in any way compromise the other. So. I have

2307
02:35:31,351 --> 02:35:33,551
an issue with the word restricting it. I don't mind

2308
02:35:33,551 --> 02:35:35,551
exploring it, but I really want to put it out

2309
02:35:35,551 --> 02:35:38,431
there that we do not want to be. On the

2310
02:35:38,431 --> 02:35:42,542
one hand, saying? We need primary clinic space. And then

2311
02:35:42,542 --> 02:35:45,422
on the other hand, saying, let's respect, let's. Restrict it

2312
02:35:45,422 --> 02:35:47,462
on the ground level. I just think we need to

2313
02:35:47,462 --> 02:35:53,793
be careful. Okay? Yes, councilor. Thank you. And I totally

2314
02:35:53,793 --> 02:35:56,913
understand that. And that is not the intent, and that's

2315
02:35:56,913 --> 02:35:59,553
why if you read the rest of the sentence, I

2316
02:35:59,553 --> 02:36:03,153
see it where upper stories exist or within limited areas,

2317
02:36:03,153 --> 02:36:07,912
and it's really about signaling. Signaling at an early stage.

2318
02:36:07,912 --> 02:36:11,399
These are the type of things that we want. And

2319
02:36:11,399 --> 02:36:15,958
then. Just one other point that isn't in here, but.

2320
02:36:18,278 --> 02:36:21,198
Is something that we've heard is that new commercial spaces,

2321
02:36:21,198 --> 02:36:24,078
if we want restaurants and things. So new commercial spaces

2322
02:36:24,078 --> 02:36:30,332
aren't being built. With ventilation built in. And so I

2323
02:36:30,332 --> 02:36:34,069
think that's also something. That. Whether I'll leave it to

2324
02:36:34,069 --> 02:36:37,713
Councilor Morrison and chairing the economic development Committee. Is that

2325
02:36:37,713 --> 02:36:42,035
something that needs to be communicated because. The amount of

2326
02:36:42,035 --> 02:36:46,595
money to retrofit and to add ventilation afterwards is astronomical.

2327
02:36:46,595 --> 02:36:49,595
So we need to make sure that not only are

2328
02:36:49,595 --> 02:36:54,609
we creating spaces, For doctor's office, and that's why it

2329
02:36:54,609 --> 02:36:59,326
says extended health services, not primary health. For doctors to

2330
02:36:59,326 --> 02:37:02,086
be in areas where we need them. But we also

2331
02:37:02,086 --> 02:37:04,766
need to make sure that when we are building or

2332
02:37:04,766 --> 02:37:08,651
when we're approving. Developments. We also need to make sure

2333
02:37:08,651 --> 02:37:11,571
that the other requirements for other businesses like restaurants and

2334
02:37:11,571 --> 02:37:16,504
food services are in there prior. To when the building

2335
02:37:16,504 --> 02:37:18,984
is being built and not having to retroactively add them.

2336
02:37:18,984 --> 02:37:21,464
Yeah, I think these are great conversations. I just wanted

2337
02:37:21,464 --> 02:37:27,595
to put that out there. Around, sort of. The. Seeming

2338
02:37:27,595 --> 02:37:31,195
contradiction, but, yeah, I do appreciate that, and I recognize

2339
02:37:31,195 --> 02:37:36,817
that. This is intended for new buildings. Mainly in Toa

2340
02:37:36,817 --> 02:37:40,344
and Tod area. And that we want to keep it

2341
02:37:40,344 --> 02:37:45,509
at the forefront. And as something to be considered. So,

2342
02:37:45,509 --> 02:37:48,069
seeing no other hands, I will call the question on

2343
02:37:48,069 --> 02:37:53,440
this motion. All in favor? Opposed. Carrie. Thanks, everybody. Which

2344
02:37:53,440 --> 02:38:00,340
brings us to verbal reports. Councilor Morrison thank you, mayor.

2345
02:38:00,340 --> 02:38:03,661
I just wanted to say that. I was very honored

2346
02:38:03,661 --> 02:38:08,439
to be able to. Stand. In place of you because

2347
02:38:08,439 --> 02:38:12,200
you were not available on. This past weekend at the

2348
02:38:12,200 --> 02:38:17,197
Jewish Culture Festival. It was a wonderful get together of

2349
02:38:17,197 --> 02:38:22,221
our jewish community from across the tricities. They had wonderful

2350
02:38:22,221 --> 02:38:27,367
music. Things for kids to do. Art being showcased and

2351
02:38:27,367 --> 02:38:32,060
sold and jewelry being sold, including delicious food items. That

2352
02:38:32,060 --> 02:38:34,740
one of my fellow counselors might mention that she picked

2353
02:38:34,740 --> 02:38:36,140
up. I don't know. What it's called, but it looked

2354
02:38:36,140 --> 02:38:40,592
delicious. Okay, a chocolate bobca. And I had councilor Knowles

2355
02:38:40,592 --> 02:38:43,632
and councilor lubic there at. The event as well that

2356
02:38:43,632 --> 02:38:47,792
day. So it was wonderful and a great opportunity and

2357
02:38:47,792 --> 02:38:51,792
just a beautiful peaceful place to be at Rocky Point

2358
02:38:51,792 --> 02:38:54,792
park, so thank you for allowing me to attend that

2359
02:38:54,792 --> 02:38:59,171
one. Thank you for doing that. I will mention as

2360
02:38:59,171 --> 02:39:03,971
well before our next regular council meeting, there is national

2361
02:39:03,971 --> 02:39:08,171
indigenous Peoples day on Saturday, June 21. It's at Rocky

2362
02:39:08,171 --> 02:39:11,051
Point park, and it starts at 01:00 p.m. everything kicks

2363
02:39:11,051 --> 02:39:12,731
off at 01:00 p.m. so get there early. If you

2364
02:39:12,731 --> 02:39:16,749
can, and it's about 2 hours long. Everything goes from

2365
02:39:16,749 --> 02:39:20,118
one to three at the performance stage. I will try

2366
02:39:20,118 --> 02:39:22,158
my best to be there for the beginning of it,

2367
02:39:22,158 --> 02:39:26,888
but. I will be off as acting mayor to. The

2368
02:39:26,888 --> 02:39:31,768
graduation ceremony for heritage woods. That happens at basically 02:00

2369
02:39:31,768 --> 02:39:33,488
that same day. So I'll try to see if I

2370
02:39:33,488 --> 02:39:36,128
can squeeze both in. But if I can't, please. Know

2371
02:39:36,128 --> 02:39:37,488
that. I wish I could have been there, but I

2372
02:39:37,488 --> 02:39:42,392
will be up at the heritage wood. Secondary graduation. And

2373
02:39:42,392 --> 02:39:43,752
you will be there. So we're going to be able

2374
02:39:43,752 --> 02:39:47,879
to get them both covered. But I just want to

2375
02:39:47,879 --> 02:39:49,239
make sure that everybody knows that I wish I could

2376
02:39:49,239 --> 02:39:51,119
do both, and. If I can. I'll try my best.

2377
02:39:51,119 --> 02:39:55,082
All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, councilor. Councilor

2378
02:39:55,082 --> 02:39:59,362
Dilworth. Following up on that same theme, I had the

2379
02:39:59,362 --> 02:40:01,922
great pleasure. It's been the first time in a long

2380
02:40:01,922 --> 02:40:07,905
time. As acting mayor, participate as a ceremonial review officer

2381
02:40:07,905 --> 02:40:11,465
for the Port Moody Naval cadets and the mayor. Is

2382
02:40:11,465 --> 02:40:18,425
aware. Going to air cadet reviews. And navy cadet reviews.

2383
02:40:18,910 --> 02:40:22,070
It is really cool. And I have to acknowledge that

2384
02:40:22,070 --> 02:40:25,750
this was the 60th anniversary of grills. I can't remember

2385
02:40:25,750 --> 02:40:30,630
the number of Port Moody's cadet group that they have.

2386
02:40:30,630 --> 02:40:33,693
They have one of the largest. Groups in the province.

2387
02:40:33,693 --> 02:40:38,693
There was over 120 cadets participating in events this Sunday.

2388
02:40:38,693 --> 02:40:44,065
They also have a phenomenal band that came second. In

2389
02:40:44,065 --> 02:40:49,441
provincial competitions, and it was just so inspiring. We had

2390
02:40:49,441 --> 02:40:51,361
the larger walkouts, we had the bands, and then we

2391
02:40:51,361 --> 02:40:55,257
had the opportunity. To speak to the cadets in smaller

2392
02:40:55,257 --> 02:41:01,097
groups where they were working as working groups on flags,

2393
02:41:01,097 --> 02:41:07,116
on first aid on the history. And I'm one year

2394
02:41:07,116 --> 02:41:11,061
older than the cadets are. That was pointed out to

2395
02:41:11,061 --> 02:41:17,275
me. I know. Go figure. It was just a tremendous

2396
02:41:17,275 --> 02:41:21,595
celebration for those kids who've put a full year into.

2397
02:41:22,878 --> 02:41:27,278
Committing to military training, committing to personal growth, committing to

2398
02:41:27,278 --> 02:41:31,558
new friendships that they made so mayor in future years.

2399
02:41:31,558 --> 02:41:34,558
If you're busy, I will always take up the opportunity

2400
02:41:34,558 --> 02:41:37,918
to attend and pretend. I know what I'm doing when

2401
02:41:37,918 --> 02:41:43,312
I'm walking around inspecting all of nodding nice. Shoes. My

2402
02:41:43,312 --> 02:41:46,152
second item I want to report out on is the

2403
02:41:46,152 --> 02:41:50,872
fact that councilors knows Morrison Lobeki. And myself, we all

2404
02:41:50,872 --> 02:41:58,229
attended the Federation of Canadian Municipalities recently in Ottawa. These

2405
02:41:58,229 --> 02:42:02,946
are great opportunities for learning. And networking and having the

2406
02:42:02,946 --> 02:42:07,066
opportunity to talk to our federal leaders and other local

2407
02:42:07,066 --> 02:42:10,186
leaders from across Canada. I want to talk about two

2408
02:42:10,186 --> 02:42:12,986
tours that they had. One of the tours that I

2409
02:42:12,986 --> 02:42:15,946
attended. Was on the Byward market, and this is like

2410
02:42:15,946 --> 02:42:22,023
a massive Granville island market type, and. It is intentional

2411
02:42:22,023 --> 02:42:26,783
place making, as Councilor Agtrap referred to earlier. And it's

2412
02:42:26,783 --> 02:42:36,300
a fusion of. Hospitality, restaurants, pubs. A tremendous art

2413
02:42:36,300 --> 02:42:41,502
component with. Little galleries, a lot of pop up for

2414
02:42:41,502 --> 02:42:46,294
artists in small storage containers throughout and the market. Is

2415
02:42:46,294 --> 02:42:48,574
based on a grid where streets going one way or

2416
02:42:48,574 --> 02:42:51,254
pedestrian and all the other streets going the other way

2417
02:42:51,254 --> 02:42:55,254
are for vehicular traffic. There's also the opportunity to open

2418
02:42:55,254 --> 02:42:59,174
up. An entire block, and they do it pretty regularly

2419
02:42:59,174 --> 02:43:02,054
on weekends for any community group to come and host

2420
02:43:02,054 --> 02:43:06,855
a celebration. We had the experience of having one of

2421
02:43:06,855 --> 02:43:10,655
the largest Schwarma festivals I've ever experienced in my life

2422
02:43:10,655 --> 02:43:12,935
taking place right in front of our hotel. It was

2423
02:43:12,935 --> 02:43:17,366
8 hours long. It was very loud, but. It was

2424
02:43:17,366 --> 02:43:19,806
just teeming with people that were out enjoying the weather

2425
02:43:19,806 --> 02:43:23,473
and enjoying the market. I took a lot of pictures

2426
02:43:23,473 --> 02:43:27,169
only because. I loved how they used pop up opportunities.

2427
02:43:27,169 --> 02:43:31,387
Such as? These small storage containers that artists could use

2428
02:43:31,387 --> 02:43:34,547
once a month or once every two months. Some of

2429
02:43:34,547 --> 02:43:38,527
the art installations. The advertisement or the promotion of who's

2430
02:43:38,527 --> 02:43:40,887
in the market and what's taking place. It was just

2431
02:43:40,887 --> 02:43:45,796
phenomenal. They also had a tour on the Ottawa hub,

2432
02:43:45,796 --> 02:43:48,196
which is the innovation center. I didn't. Go on the

2433
02:43:48,196 --> 02:43:51,116
tour this time, and I have gone on it previously,

2434
02:43:51,116 --> 02:43:54,196
and I came back to council with a PowerPoint presentation

2435
02:43:54,196 --> 02:43:56,836
for council and for the economic development committee, and I

2436
02:43:56,836 --> 02:44:02,034
might dig that out. The innovation center is very much

2437
02:44:02,034 --> 02:44:07,594
a vibrant space to support new small businesses. Technology they

2438
02:44:07,594 --> 02:44:09,794
had a film studio in there. They had a radio

2439
02:44:09,794 --> 02:44:15,114
studio in there. They have innovative technology around agriculture in

2440
02:44:15,114 --> 02:44:18,834
there. It was just a huge welcome spot for people

2441
02:44:18,834 --> 02:44:21,335
in the community. To come and get advice, to come

2442
02:44:21,335 --> 02:44:26,111
and get mentorship or to actually. Have access to space

2443
02:44:26,111 --> 02:44:30,194
and technology to help advance. Their concepts and their business

2444
02:44:30,194 --> 02:44:33,274
plans, and maybe I will grab that out again. And

2445
02:44:33,274 --> 02:44:36,794
these are just two really great outcomes from FCM. I

2446
02:44:36,794 --> 02:44:38,994
know. I think all of us have posted something on

2447
02:44:38,994 --> 02:44:42,994
social media about our takeaways from the event. I just

2448
02:44:42,994 --> 02:44:46,274
wanted to share those at this time. And I'm hoping

2449
02:44:46,274 --> 02:44:48,514
someone else who might be speaking next might talk about

2450
02:44:48,514 --> 02:44:51,738
the children's. Art festival taking place out in the Galleria.

2451
02:44:51,738 --> 02:44:57,255
Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Councilor Knowles. I wasn't going

2452
02:44:57,255 --> 02:44:59,895
to speak about the children's art festival, but I will

2453
02:44:59,895 --> 02:45:01,855
because. I actually already posted about it on my council

2454
02:45:01,855 --> 02:45:04,255
page a couple of days ago. It is running until

2455
02:45:04,255 --> 02:45:10,447
June 12. So another couple of days. Is art made

2456
02:45:10,447 --> 02:45:11,807
by all the students of I think her name is

2457
02:45:11,807 --> 02:45:19,326
Avelia Spinoza. If I remember correctly. So I apologize. I've

2458
02:45:19,326 --> 02:45:21,966
forgotten that name wrong. But yes, do come and see.

2459
02:45:21,966 --> 02:45:24,446
There's. So many fun and whimsical things. You can tell

2460
02:45:24,446 --> 02:45:27,103
there are certain themes. So looking at how different students.

2461
02:45:28,702 --> 02:45:31,982
Have approached doing lemons and limes versus cats versus a

2462
02:45:31,982 --> 02:45:35,613
bunch of other things. It's. Really wonderful. So it's also

2463
02:45:35,613 --> 02:45:39,212
cool and air conditioned in the galleria. So I recommend

2464
02:45:39,212 --> 02:45:41,092
it as a fun thing to do. I was actually

2465
02:45:41,092 --> 02:45:45,093
going to speak to quickly. The art shuffle. It's taking

2466
02:45:45,093 --> 02:45:48,013
place on June 20. I thought someone else would have

2467
02:45:48,013 --> 02:45:51,721
mentioned it, but. This is an annual event that we

2468
02:45:51,721 --> 02:45:56,040
have. Where? A lot of our businesses throughout the city,

2469
02:45:56,040 --> 02:45:58,880
and particularly along St. John's, participate in kind of an

2470
02:45:58,880 --> 02:46:00,600
open evening where you can go in and look at

2471
02:46:00,600 --> 02:46:04,040
the art and perhaps buy as well, and it's a

2472
02:46:04,040 --> 02:46:09,150
great event for community, and again, This is something that

2473
02:46:09,150 --> 02:46:12,752
doesn't happen in a lot of other communities. This is

2474
02:46:12,752 --> 02:46:15,152
very special and unique to port Modi as the city

2475
02:46:15,152 --> 02:46:18,501
of the arts and. I highly recommend it. And you

2476
02:46:18,501 --> 02:46:21,838
know what? I did, like, half of my Christmas shopping

2477
02:46:21,838 --> 02:46:24,678
last year at this. It's just great opportunity. To buy

2478
02:46:24,678 --> 02:46:26,918
some local art that you can't buy anywhere else. That's

2479
02:46:26,918 --> 02:46:30,273
it for me. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Yeah, I

2480
02:46:30,273 --> 02:46:33,433
was going to mention, to remind everybody, remind the community

2481
02:46:33,433 --> 02:46:36,415
about the art shuffle, so thank you for that. I

2482
02:46:36,415 --> 02:46:40,831
have a couple of things. To report on. It's been

2483
02:46:40,831 --> 02:46:47,723
a really busy last few weeks. I. Wanted to just

2484
02:46:47,723 --> 02:46:50,123
share a couple of highlights. I got to attend the

2485
02:46:50,123 --> 02:46:52,963
girl guys of Canada youth. Achievement awards here in the

2486
02:46:52,963 --> 02:46:56,283
theater. And that's another one I know. Councilor Dilworth. Likes

2487
02:46:56,283 --> 02:47:00,883
to attend. I had the honor of being their guest

2488
02:47:00,883 --> 02:47:04,274
speaker. And it was very near and dear to me,

2489
02:47:04,274 --> 02:47:08,264
but it was amazing. To hear about all these young

2490
02:47:08,264 --> 02:47:13,921
women. And their achievements and all of their accomplishments. They

2491
02:47:13,921 --> 02:47:17,432
received the highest award. That a youth member of girl

2492
02:47:17,432 --> 02:47:21,786
guys in Canada can achieve and. It was really a

2493
02:47:21,786 --> 02:47:27,188
wonderful event. Also got to attend the arrogant ceremonial review

2494
02:47:27,188 --> 02:47:32,937
for the 754 Phoenix. Which I'm not going to. Go

2495
02:47:32,937 --> 02:47:37,257
on at great length. But similar to councilor Dillworth's experience,

2496
02:47:38,920 --> 02:47:41,080
It was really a wonderful event, and it was so

2497
02:47:41,080 --> 02:47:45,008
lovely. To see all of these youth. It was a

2498
02:47:45,008 --> 02:47:51,043
very large group, I think over 120 air cadets. At

2499
02:47:51,043 --> 02:47:55,563
this event and some really phenomenal skills that they shared.

2500
02:47:57,986 --> 02:48:01,906
So there was that. We also had the first CPKC

2501
02:48:01,906 --> 02:48:06,346
Rail community advisory panel meeting. I think that was that

2502
02:48:06,346 --> 02:48:12,070
last week. Which I think. We've been a long time

2503
02:48:12,070 --> 02:48:14,510
in the making, and I was really pleased we had

2504
02:48:14,510 --> 02:48:20,416
representatives. There from pct. From IOCo refinery as well as

2505
02:48:20,416 --> 02:48:28,012
CPKC, the superintendent as well as their representative. Their national

2506
02:48:28,012 --> 02:48:31,532
representative. So I think that that meeting was quite productive.

2507
02:48:33,160 --> 02:48:36,360
And thinking that once the minutes come out, we can

2508
02:48:36,360 --> 02:48:41,553
share them with council. I had the pleasure of going

2509
02:48:41,553 --> 02:48:49,154
to the belong center. Indoor skate park yesterday. And. This

2510
02:48:49,154 --> 02:48:54,248
is something. That. Has. I'm not sure if everyone's familiar

2511
02:48:54,248 --> 02:48:57,888
with the location, but it is the location. Where? Right

2512
02:48:57,888 --> 02:49:01,676
next to a and w. Where the old pub used

2513
02:49:01,676 --> 02:49:06,116
to be, and it's the largest indoor skate facility in

2514
02:49:06,116 --> 02:49:10,755
the lower mainland. It is destined to be that, apparently.

2515
02:49:12,702 --> 02:49:15,281
The next closest one. There's only two other ones. And.

2516
02:49:16,159 --> 02:49:19,119
Are half the size. So they have some great ambitions

2517
02:49:19,119 --> 02:49:22,759
about how to utilize that space because. It's going to

2518
02:49:22,759 --> 02:49:26,359
take a combination of different revenue streams to keep it

2519
02:49:26,359 --> 02:49:31,525
afloat. But I was really impressed with their passion. And

2520
02:49:31,525 --> 02:49:34,365
encourage counselors. Like if you're walking through that part of

2521
02:49:34,365 --> 02:49:36,205
town, if you're, walking down the street and you see

2522
02:49:36,205 --> 02:49:40,370
the door open. Go on in. They welcome members of

2523
02:49:40,370 --> 02:49:41,850
the community to come in and have a look at

2524
02:49:41,850 --> 02:49:45,290
what they're doing, and I think that they are hoping

2525
02:49:45,290 --> 02:49:48,615
to be up and running. In the next little while,

2526
02:49:48,615 --> 02:49:52,755
so they're working with staff on that. With all that

2527
02:49:52,755 --> 02:49:56,035
said, I have a notice of motion. Sorry, folks. And

2528
02:49:56,035 --> 02:49:57,795
I will just read it. Off, and I will provide

2529
02:49:57,795 --> 02:50:01,875
it to staff. And the motion is as follows. Whereas

2530
02:50:01,875 --> 02:50:04,035
the city of Port Moody holds the lease for the

2531
02:50:04,035 --> 02:50:07,075
intertitle mud flats and foreshore of the public. Harbor in

2532
02:50:07,075 --> 02:50:10,355
the eastern end of broad inlet from the port of

2533
02:50:10,355 --> 02:50:14,619
Vancouver. For 60 years with the option to extend and

2534
02:50:14,619 --> 02:50:17,659
whereas the entered title these intertidal mud flats are an

2535
02:50:17,659 --> 02:50:23,019
important estuaran habitat for salmonids, migratory and overwintering waterfowl and

2536
02:50:23,019 --> 02:50:27,099
shorebirds, providing a much needed nutrient rich biofilm as well

2537
02:50:27,099 --> 02:50:31,339
as resting and nesting. Habitat. And whereas the ecological benefits

2538
02:50:31,339 --> 02:50:35,370
on. The site also provide a high carbon sequestration capacity

2539
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as well as opportunities for research and protection. I'm almost

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02:50:39,370 --> 02:50:42,890
there. And whereas there are no other urban marine protected

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02:50:42,890 --> 02:50:47,290
areas within municipal boundaries in North America. Therefore, be it

2542
02:50:47,290 --> 02:50:50,650
resolved at the City of Port Moody designate these intertidal

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02:50:50,650 --> 02:50:54,090
flats in foreshore lands as an urban marine protected area.

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02:50:55,490 --> 02:51:00,570
And further apply for UNESCO urban marine protected area status.

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02:51:00,570 --> 02:51:02,330
So that's my motion, which will come to the next

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02:51:02,330 --> 02:51:06,817
council meeting. And I will go to staff. Does staff

2547
02:51:06,817 --> 02:51:11,057
have any reports? No reports from staff. Which brings us.

2548
02:51:12,753 --> 02:51:17,383
To public input. At last, public input. I'm going to

2549
02:51:17,383 --> 02:51:21,943
read again the disclaimer in case anybody wants to speak

2550
02:51:21,943 --> 02:51:25,033
to us. I see Mr. Coomsley's online, so I see

2551
02:51:25,033 --> 02:51:27,393
his hand up. Okay. As a reminder to members of

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02:51:27,393 --> 02:51:30,353
the public. While we encourage civic engagement and welcome your

2553
02:51:30,353 --> 02:51:33,996
participation in the public, portion of our meeting. There are

2554
02:51:33,996 --> 02:51:37,036
expectations regarding appropriate conduct in decorum at council meetings. We

2555
02:51:37,036 --> 02:51:39,716
ask all members of the public to ensure that matters

2556
02:51:39,716 --> 02:51:42,636
raised with council are constructively focused on issues and not

2557
02:51:42,636 --> 02:51:46,156
individuals and that any engagement with or about city staff

2558
02:51:46,156 --> 02:51:49,116
or council is addressed in a manner that is consistent

2559
02:51:49,116 --> 02:51:51,876
with these expectations so that we can all engage in

2560
02:51:51,876 --> 02:51:55,442
this space in a manner that. Is respectful and constructive

2561
02:51:55,442 --> 02:51:59,322
and abides by the city's respectful communication policy and respectful

2562
02:51:59,322 --> 02:52:03,462
workplace. Policy. Having said that, we will go into public

2563
02:52:03,462 --> 02:52:07,142
input. And I see we have Mr. Coonsley. Online with

2564
02:52:07,142 --> 02:52:09,382
his hand up. Thank you for being so patient. I

2565
02:52:09,382 --> 02:52:12,618
know this has been a long meeting. You have two

2566
02:52:12,618 --> 02:52:14,778
minutes, Mr. Coonsley. Please state your name in city of

2567
02:52:14,778 --> 02:52:18,546
residence for the. Record. Yeah. Mark Kunzley Pormody. Just allow

2568
02:52:18,546 --> 02:52:21,066
to say great meeting. I made the comment. When I

2569
02:52:21,066 --> 02:52:23,226
haven't felt it reflected the city. Well, I thought everybody

2570
02:52:23,226 --> 02:52:24,506
did a great job. To lay a lot of good

2571
02:52:24,506 --> 02:52:26,986
business. I just wanted to provide a couple of closing

2572
02:52:26,986 --> 02:52:29,266
thoughts on. The town hall. I've always thought the town

2573
02:52:29,266 --> 02:52:32,426
hall is where residents can get feedback directly. And ask

2574
02:52:32,426 --> 02:52:36,289
questions and get answers of their elected officials. I appreciate

2575
02:52:36,289 --> 02:52:38,329
that other formats may work, but they got slick more

2576
02:52:38,329 --> 02:52:41,849
of it. I do think that after Covid. We've all

2577
02:52:41,849 --> 02:52:44,449
got accustomed to doing things online, but I do feel

2578
02:52:44,449 --> 02:52:47,129
like face to face. There is things that come out

2579
02:52:47,129 --> 02:52:51,046
of that that are more beneficial. And with respect to

2580
02:52:51,046 --> 02:52:55,005
cost and timing. As a resident. I don't want to

2581
02:52:55,005 --> 02:52:57,325
see the tailwag and the dog here. I think it's

2582
02:52:57,325 --> 02:53:01,920
really important to have this. Just to delineate a public

2583
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:05,581
hearing. I don't see that as a town hall. Or

2584
02:53:05,581 --> 02:53:07,821
fulfill the same purpose because statements are written ahead of

2585
02:53:07,821 --> 02:53:14,567
time. There's no back and forth. And then the public

2586
02:53:14,567 --> 02:53:18,176
input. It's not a Q and A. Through the comment

2587
02:53:18,176 --> 02:53:21,511
about the same people saying the same things. I get

2588
02:53:21,511 --> 02:53:24,231
that, but maybe it's because they're not getting a response,

2589
02:53:24,231 --> 02:53:26,671
and so. I would like to see maybe potentially opening

2590
02:53:26,671 --> 02:53:29,704
up this public input to a q and a. And

2591
02:53:29,704 --> 02:53:33,664
to councilor Lubrick's point about connecting input to the OCP,

2592
02:53:33,664 --> 02:53:36,144
maybe that's a way to do it is if I

2593
02:53:36,144 --> 02:53:40,304
can ask questions, get answers, then okay, now we can

2594
02:53:40,304 --> 02:53:44,426
see how it all connects. So. Yeah, I really like

2595
02:53:44,426 --> 02:53:46,586
the discussion. Looking forward to participating in the town hall,

2596
02:53:46,586 --> 02:53:51,127
and. Thanks. Thank you. All right. Is there anybody else

2597
02:53:51,127 --> 02:53:58,347
that wishes to provide input to council? I'll call a

2598
02:53:58,347 --> 02:54:01,147
second time. Is there anybody that wishes to provide input

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02:54:01,147 --> 02:54:01,507
to council?