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minute. We're just checking.

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So. I will call. Can I start the meeting then,

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Madam clerk? Yes, mayor. Okay, thank you. So we will

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call the strategic prior. The committee meeting to order. And.

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I'm just going to bring that. The council standing committee

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meeting to order. And we'll start off with the territorial

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land acknowledgment, the city. Of Port Moody carries out our

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business on the ancestral and unseated homelands of the quaketlum

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slail with tooth musk. Kate Quantlin, Kikate and Solo peoples

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and extend depreciation for the opportunity to work on this

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territory. Next item is adoption of the agenda. Go. Moved

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and moved and seconded. All in favor? Opposed. Carrie. Thank

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you. Next item is public input. So as a reminder

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to members of the public, while we encourage civic engagement

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and welcome your participation in the public portion of our

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meetings, There are expectations regarding appropriate conduct in decorum at

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council meetings. We ask all members of the public to

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ensure that matters raised with council are constructively focused on

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issues and not individuals and that any engagement with or

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about city staff or council is addressed in a manner

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that is consistent with these expectations so that we can

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all engage in this space in a manner that. Is

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respectful and constructive and abides by the. City's respectful communications

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policy and respectful workplace policy. So, having said that, Madam

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Clerk, do we. Have any members of the public, any

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participants. Thank you, Mary Lodi. There is no one in

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the park view room. However, there are folks in the

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online with no hands up. All right, so. Anyone who's

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online. And if you have any input, please raise your

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hand and we will call on you. This is your

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opportunity to provide input. I see one hand. Okay, we

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have Kaylin blonde camp. Welcome. Please state your name in

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city of residence and you will have two minutes. Thank

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you, mayor and council. Good afternoon, mayor and council. My

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name is Kaylin Blomcamp. And I'm a director of development

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at West Group Properties. I'm speaking tonight as a follow

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up to the letter Westgroup submitted to council on July

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7. On October 3, 2023 council passed a motion stating,

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and I quote, that once the coronation park rezoning has

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been approved, the city and Westgroup begin to explore how

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to incorporate. Affordable housing in all phases of the application

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as prescribed in the letter of intent for as many

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affordable housing opportunities on the site as possible. That opportunity

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is now here. And this will be council's last opportunity

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within their term to. Make this a reality. With support

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from CMHC, we have a chance to bring 342 secured.

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Rental homes to Port Modi, including 85 affordable units. This

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represents more than three times the current rental requirement for

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this master plan, with 25% of the homes designated as

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affordable. The CMH. CMHC opportunity allows us to secure low

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cost. Financing on over $200 million in loan funding. It's

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a program available now, but there's no guarantee it will

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remain available in the future. It is one of the

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most impactful housing initiatives in Canada and in today's market

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is the primary reason that rental and affordable housing projects

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are moving forward at all. To secure this allocation, we

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need to provide clear direction. On a path forward today

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without this funding. We will face significant delays in delivering

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building two and its associated amenities, including childcare. As we

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will need to launch building two into a presale program

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for which there is currently no viable market or sign

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of recovery. We've met similarly ambitious timelines in other municipalities

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by applying creative solutions. It takes coordination and commitment, but

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we're confident we can do it here. In Port Moody

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today. We ask that council support our commitment to bringing

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rental and affordable housing to port Moody by providing clear

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direction to staff to identify a path forward which meets

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CMHC's deadlines to secure this important allocation. Thank you for

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your time. Thank you for that input. Kaylin is there.

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Anybody else that wishes to address council at this time.

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I'll call a second time. Is there anybody that wishes

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to address council at this time? I see. Steve Milani.

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Please state your name and city of residence for the

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record. And you? Will have two minutes. Thank you. Go

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ahead. Please

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state your name and city of residence for the record.

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And you will have two minutes. Please proceed. Go ahead,

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Steve. Seems to be a problem with Steve's microphone. Is

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there anybody else that wishes to address council at this

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time while he is working on. His. Issues.

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Just thinking about that too. Mayor. If you like, we

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can message Mr. Milani to give him the phone in

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option. If that suits council. So we'll have our team

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connect with them right now it'll. Just take a minute,

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Mr. Milani, our team will reach out momentarily. They'll give

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you a phone number and you can phone it in.

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Steve. In the meantime, is there anybody else that wishes

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Okay, well, while we're waiting. There was something really amazing

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happened last night at about 11:30 p.m. Our own Callan

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Morrison became a father again, and he and his wife,

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Jessica, welcomed beautiful Charlotte. Rose Morrison into the world just

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over £8 9oz. And she's a very healthy, happy little

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baby, so. They're enjoying their time together, and hopefully. They'll

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be able to come home tomorrow from the hospital. And

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we do wish Callan and Jessica and little baby Eevee

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and little baby Charlie. All the best. And congratulations to

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them. Can we ask

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if there was any written submissions while we wait for

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Mr. Milani, Madam Clerk? Are there any written submissions? We

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can't do that. We have to close verbal first. We're

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still working on connecting there. Hello. Steve. Please state your

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name in city of residence for the record, and you

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will have two minutes. Thank you for being so patient.

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Oh, this is working now. Okay. Yeah. Steve Milani, Port

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evening. My name, as I said, is Steve Milani. I'm

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here tonight to speak against moving. Forward with the Kyle

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center redevelopment as proposed and to raise concern about the

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OCP process first. On Cal center spending half a million

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dollars just for the preliminary designs and estim. Estimates, followed

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by another 2 million for a detailed design before even

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committing to construction. That's simply not responsible. We know, for

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example, it's like Burnaby. Once the richest municipality in Canada.

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These kinds of recreation projects can spiral out of control

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quickly. Bernabee had to cancel their confed park community center

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because it became unaffordable and the CG Brown replacement is

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taking forever. It's cost of skyrocketed. If it can happen

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there, it can happen here. The 30 to 40 million

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estimate for call center it's not realistic. It'll end up

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costing 50% more, maybe even double, and. The residents will

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pay for it through long term debt and tax increases.

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The previous council had already approved a more affordable solution,

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renovate the existing cal center. That was the right move,

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and I urged this council to go back to it

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before we get into too much trouble on the OCP.

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The process has been deeply flawed right from the start.

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The draft shows clearly that the council. This council is

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not listening to the community. People see it and they're

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tired of it. Consultation is meaningless. If public feedback is

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ignored. We can and should do better, both in how

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we manage projects like Cal center and how we shape

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the future of our city through the OCP update process.

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Thank you. Thank you. Is there anybody else that wishes

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to speak to council at this time? I'll call a

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second time. Anybody who wishes to speak to council third

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and final time seeing none will close this portion of

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the public input. And we will go to written submissions.

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Madam Clerk, do we have any written submissions? No written

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submissions. This evening. Thank you. Next item is. Adoption of

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the minutes. Is there a mover? Moved and. Seconded. All

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in favor? Opposed. Carrie. Thank you. All right, so we

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are going to recess now just so that anyone who's

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watching. Is aware we are only going into two committee

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meetings tonight. We'll start off with city initiatives and planning,

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and then we'll go into strategic priorities. So at this

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time, we will recess. And I will give the chair

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over to councilor Delworth. Take it away, councilor. You would

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think after four years I would get this microphone thing

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right. Thank you. It is 05:11 p.m. and I'm calling

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the city initiatives and planning committee meeting to order. We

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have an agenda, and I do believe that. There is

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an amendment. An additional item on the agenda. Ms. Lamb.

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Thank you, chairperson. That's correct. Included in the ontable package.

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Will be a new proposed item, 4.4, titled a West

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group letter to council exploring adding affordability at inlet district.

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Thank you. Would someone like to move our agenda as

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amended? I see. That moved and seconded. All in favor?

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Carried. Thank you. We have minutes. We have minutes of

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our last seafic meeting of June. 17, here for adoption.

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Sorry. I see. Ms. Lamb, your hand is up. And,

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Mayor Lottie, I. Also see. Okay. Apologies. I lowered my

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hand as well. Thank you. So we do have the

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minutes of June 17, and I would certainly entertain a

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motion to adopt those. I see that moved. And seconded.

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Any amendments. All in favor? Harry. Thank you. I hope

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we're all settled in. We've got a very ambitious agenda,

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councilor eggdrap. Maybe I'm getting ahead here, but I'm recusing.

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Myself for item 4.1 due to. Well, I've never been

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a part of this discussion, so no need to start

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now due to my family business being located in that

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area. Thank. You. Your timing is perfect. We are moving

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into item 4.1. Moody Center, Spring Street. Streetscape design guidelines

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follow up, and we do have a presentation. And clerk,

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will you remind. To get councilor egg to rep back

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when we're finished with this. Yes, chair. Great. I'm looking

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for a presentation from the manager of development planning and

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manager of infrastructure. Engineering services. I see Mr. Judd. And

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I see Mr. Wu. Are you both doing this presentation?

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Through the mayor, the presentation. Will be done by both

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me and Wesley. I'm just trying to bring up my

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slides. Sorry.

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It says you've started. There we go. And you were

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in full presentation mode, so take it away. All right.

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Good evening, mayor and council. Tonight I'll be presenting the

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spring street design guidelines. This presentation outlines.

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Chairperson. It looks like Mr. Jet has frozen. I'm not

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sure if Mr. Judge can hear. He should perhaps leave

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in and join back. In. We will send Mr. Jet

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a message to let him know that we can no

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longer hear him. We can see him frozen, though.

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Okay, so we are waiting for Mr. Judd to come

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back in, sharing his screen, hopefully not frozen. If that

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doesn't happen, Mr. Wu, we're going to put you in

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a little spot of pressure.

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Sorry, chair. I might ask if the clerk have a

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copy that we can put up to assist. In that

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way. At least we're getting that started. Well, I can

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do it. Yes, we can go ahead and we can

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pull that up. In the meantime, we'll try. To connect

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with Mr. We are continuing to try to connect with

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Mr. Judge. Thanks. I guess I have a question that

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we've had two technical issues in the first 15 minutes

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of this meeting. Is this something that's occurring at our

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end or. Is this just a bad day for everybody?

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Thank you, chairperson. It's hard to say, but I would

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guess that it might be. On the other person's end.

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Okay, great. That's Ms. Takahashi sharing the screen for you.

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Thank you.

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And as I've showed, Ms. Takahashi will advance the slides

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for you if you'd. Like to introduce the item. Thank

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you. I mean, I might have to lean on Mr.

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Wu to take us through the slides. This is in

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response to. We report it back to council a couple

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of times on this. What staff have here. Is a

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couple of different options. Going over the original option and

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then also, like, a one way option, which council asked

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us to. Look at and some of the pros and

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cons of that. So maybe if we just go to

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the next slide and. I can see what I can

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do. While Stephen signing back on. Next slide, please. Can

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we move the slide, please?

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Hi, Mr. Moya. I just connected with Mr. Jet. He's

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going to pop over to. The park view. In about

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two minutes to deliver the brewer of the presentation and

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Ms. Takahashi will continue with the slides. Sure. And if

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we can just go to the next slide. I'll do

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my best. With it. Thank you, Mr. Moy. Thanks. Yeah.

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So this is, I think, just what I say is

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the direction from council. In March was to report back.

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On possible building setback requirements, one way traffic options, and

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the idea was to try to get some more pedestrian

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space. In there. Some wider sidewalks, next slide. This is

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definitely Steven's specialty. We did take a look at what

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existing guidelines exist. For sidewalks in these kinds of environments.

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So under the BCE act of transportation guide, which is

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quite new, it was released in the last few years.

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It provides a range for commercial sidewalks between 2.4 meters

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to 3 meters and that's for, like, a higher volume

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area where there's a lot of people. Walking, and it

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has a minimum width of 2.1 in a very constrained

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area for bi directional bike facilities three to 4 meters,

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down to 2.4. Similarly, We also wanted to make sure

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that we met minimum road design. Requirements which the Transportation

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association of Canada prescribes. Three to 3.5 meters. Lane of

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two. And in all of our options, where there's two

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way traffic, it's. A 3.25 and lane with a two

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meter parking lane. And then we also looked at urban

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forestry, which is important. It's an important goal of council

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and a big part of that is providing a reasonable

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treed boulevard. Reasonable width to allow healthy trees to grow.

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So we're looking at a two meter tree. Boulevard as

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ideal, a constraint limit of 1.6 and what we would

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have to do when we get to those narrower widths

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is we would put in underground soil cells. So basically.

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Chambers, I believe they're typically plastic, but chambers that can

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hold soil without having a lot of rock there. So

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you provide more growing medium for the trees. We'll go

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to the next slide. And I think that Stevens back

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on and running if you want to jump in. On

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the concepts. Thank you, Jeff. And I'm very sorry, Mary

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and council. For a computer. It's all good. So

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the original column concept follows a standard two way road

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with a 3.3 micromobility pathway and sidewalks that meet the

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minimum width of the DC transportation guide. While this option

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did support. While it does support micro mobility and maintains

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flexibility for traffic circulation, it lacks the optimal separation between

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users, and the sidewalk is at the bottom of the

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range at 2.4 meters. And this does become constrained at

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loading zones, as was noted by council as a previous

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meeting, street trees were designed to allow for the activation

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of one side of the street at 1.7. And provide

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a buffer. Between the pestrians and cyclists. 1.2 on the

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officer side. The width of the bus, the width of

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the buffer. Street trees do not meet the constrained limits.

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For landscaping and will reduce stability to achieve the overall

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portrait tenantee. So, as requested by council. We are revisited

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the office and we're looking at ways to increase our

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pedestrian facility as well as how to improve our land

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seeking horse tree target. So option

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one, to improve this pedestrian experience. That investigated incorporating on

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one way travel patterns the. Functionality of the one way

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will be discussed on the next slide. But from a

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design perspective, spring Street. Is classified as an emergency response

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brief. And as for the building code, this does require

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a minimum of 6 meters here. That needs to be

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maintained. So this provides a very small increase in the

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opportunity for Boulevard. By reducing the road width from 6.56

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liters. In this option, the microbility pathway was also reduced

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down to the minimum of 3.3 meters, which will promote

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slower speeds along this pathway but still maintain. The width

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that's required by the PCs. Ultimately, this additional width. Was

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incorporated into the landscaping strip to achieve the constrained tree

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limits as well as to increase the sidewalk with folks

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to the upper limit. The one way travel pattern creates

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additional separation between users, but the reduced roadwift will limit

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the future flexibility of the travel pattern. Temp, you

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reverted to a modern limit future. Staff

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evaluated the overall functionality and impacts of a one way

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road network. Consideration of. The first item was considering.

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Different circulation patterns, including westbound eastbound, as well as alternating

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travel between blocks. As noted that with each of the

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directions due to the limited road network. St John's is

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required to support the circulation, which will increase the number

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of tricks accessing. This major brief. In addition, with the

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limited distance between Spring street and St. John's, by focusing

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traffic towards specific intersections, the q length may exceed the

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available storage, creating additional congestion and delays. Along Spring street

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as an emergency corridor. The minimum width is 6 meters,

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as I've noted, which will create. Unusually wide roads, especially

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for one way travel. This will take special care traffic

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calming as well as enforcement to ensure the emergency brief

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is clear. Of elite parked cars and. Prevent. Illegal passing.

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The applicants have also provided feedback, raising concerns similar to

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staff, as well as pointing out. The overall liability for

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commercial units to be impacted, specifically the grocery store. Due

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to the limited opportunity. For. Cockpit and challenges with the

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access. So, going back to consideration for a

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twoway travel pattern, the second option balances the treat. Trees.

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To provide for the constrained limit as well as increases

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the sidewall slightly from the original concept. Up to 2.5

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liters. This additional space was obtained by maintaining the reduced

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micromobility. Staff recommend feel that this is. The most balanced

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approach as it does provide for. The land seeking targets,

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although be it at the constraint limit, it provides for

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the bi directional. Unintended sidewalk. It provides some flexibility to

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go from a one way or a two way. Travel

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pattern and. It also separates the micromobility users away from.

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The commercial and service vehicles. They'll be driving along Spring

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Street. In addition, stop feeling that there will be future

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opportunities to work with developers on a case by case

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basis to take into consideration. Opportunities with. Different landscaping or

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building designs to add additional space to. The sidewalk.

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The final option that would have considered. Requires an additional

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0.8 meters width of statutory right away to be taken

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from to the developer that. Develops.

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Through the additional width, the cross section would be able

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to achieve the desired sidewalk. Width of 3 meters, as

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well as the necessary street trees zones to support the

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urban forestry goals. The increase. Will also have. Will have

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the impact. To the construction phasing. For instance, the alignment.

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The additional width requires. The alignment of the different facilities

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to be shifted on a temporary basis. Until full development

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of block is completed. Very difficult construction, pacing. It also

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creates impact on the development and design stages of the

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application. Which. In partner Westyloo. Go into more detail on

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the next slide. Thank you, Mr. Jed. All right, so,

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yeah, as noted earlier in this presentation, council also directed

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staff. At that time in March to investigate additional building

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setbacks on private property. So which additional building setbacks would

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be used to support additional sidewalk and or boulevard widths?

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So staff did engage the city's architecture consultant to provide

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some high level analysis and generally from a technical perspective

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and above ground setback would be feasible. However, Although technically

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possible, there are other factors that need to be taken

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into consideration. For example, There'd be impacts to already in

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stream applications that are currently sitting at third reading and

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in most cases, the setback would eat into the floor

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areas for employment space, which is also not desirable. So

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staff also heard from applicants that had some concerns on

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increased setbacks where it would impact several areas, including tree

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canopy coverage and meeting those targets as set out in

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their urban forestry management strategy. Existing building designs and parking

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and loading as well. So overall. Stuff. We do believe

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that, if feasible, additional building setbacks should be considered to

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achieve the maximum desirable sidewalk width. However, this requirements would

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occur on a case by case basis and to ensure

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that other objectives of the Moody Center 2D are being

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met, such as adequate tree canopy coverage and employment space.

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So should the recommended option be selected by council? Additional

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setbacks would not be part of the minimum cross section,

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but where feasible, staff would work. With the applicants to

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incorporate additional pedestrian width into the proposed developments to deliver

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an unimpeded and comfortable pedestrian experience. I think that's what

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our goal is here. And through those negotiations, when applicants

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come in, we would try to negotiate those items. So

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that's the portion on additional setbacks and where we're at

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with that. And next slide, we'll just. Have the recommended

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resolution for council to consider, and Mr. Judd and I

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are also available for any questions from council are there

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any members of council that have questions or comments on

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the presentation and or the recommendation, councilor Knowles? Thank you.

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Chair. Yeah. I just wanted to say thank you to

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staff. This has gone back and. Forth between staff and

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council, and for some time now. And shout out to

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Councilor Morrison, who can't be here tonight. He rightfully brought

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this up some weeks ago, maybe even months now. As

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we would have liked to really kind of activate the

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pedestrian experience. And we're looking for more of a gas

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town vibe, but everything that I've seen the staff has

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provided and the feedback that we've gotten from applicants. Has

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satisfied me that. Staff recommendation is the correct one, it

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is the safest one, and it is the best for

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this area. So I just wanted to thank. Staff and

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all the applicants for writing. And providing their feedback because

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it was very important in coming to this decision tonight,

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which I'm. Prepared to support, so I will move the

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recommendation. Thank you. Thank you. Is there a second? I

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will second at them. We have Councilor Lebecki, followed by

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councilor Lubeck. Thank you. I appreciate the work of staff

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on this because you've gone off and done what was

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asked and then come back. I'm just going to repeat

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the overall sentiments that I said before is I hear

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things like, council would have liked to see this or

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that. Well. Guess what we could have. We passed a

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framework. We didn't do any public engagement then. We passed

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it and it laid this plan out, and now here

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we are. Sitting here discussing design guidelines of feeling disappointed

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with them after we've already proved what is it. Two

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going on three developments and five towers not getting what

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we wanted, which is supposed to be a transit oriented,

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walkable neighborhood, and here we are discussing that it isn't

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even going to meet the basic guidelines for that. So

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I think that this is really confusing and not very

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acceptable or good news for our community. And I'm disappointed

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with how this process has unfolded, and I think many

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residents are, too. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Lubic. I

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really appreciate all the work that staff has done on

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this, and I know from my own point of view

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I would have liked to see. The one way, but

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I think staff have provided a very good overview of

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why that's not possible right now. I did want to

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say how much I appreciate that. We're looking at making

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sure that there are enough street trees and making sure

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that they're healthy. In those soil cells. I think that's

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really important. And I also wanted to, I guess, just

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say that. This doesn't impede. Us. This really becoming one

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way in the future. We've seen that happen with Thunderbrook

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before. And I think there will be opportunities as that

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goes on. And I do think that it will be

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as the way it is set up will help it.

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Be a more walkable. Community. And add the experience of

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multimodal. Travelers. So I just wanted to say I appreciate

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staff's work. I think. It's. We have now, and I'm

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hoping that it will be a right away. One way

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eventually. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. I don't see any

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other hands up. At this time. So I am going

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to call the question. All in favor of the recommendation?

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Against. I'm seeing councilor Lebecki oppose. That does pass. Thank

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you. We are going. To move into. Sorry, Ms. Lamb.

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I saw your hand go up briefly. Are we all

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good? We are. Thank you. Great. Thank you. We're going

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to move item. 4.2 this is exciting. This is the

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draft official community plan. I believe Mr. Paulie is going

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to be leading the presentation, supported by Ms. Smith. And

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for those that might be watching, I just want to

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let everyone know that this is the very first time

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that council has seen this draft OCP. We are seeing

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it at the exact same time as our community is

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seeing it, and I'm really looking forward to the presentation.

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From staff and the further engagement. Opportunities we're going to

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see roll out over the next five months before we

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adopt the OCP. So over to you, Ms. DePaul, Ms.

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Smith, thank you to share my screen.

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Hopefully you can all see that. We can see the

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presentations. There we go. You had the author notes on

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the side, but you're now full screen and good to

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go. Excellent. Thank you. So. Good evening, your worship and

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members of council. I'm very pleased. To be here with

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other members of the policy planning team to present an

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overview of the 2025 draft official community plan. Today's presentation

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includes background on the OCP update process that started in

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2020. An overview of recent provincial housing legislation and its

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impacts on Port Moody 2050. A summary of community engagement

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process to date, followed by an outline of some of

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the key changes in this draft. OCP and lastly, an

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overview of anticipated next steps in the update process as

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we look towards future adoption of the plan. As you

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know, the last comprehensive review of Port Modi's OCP was

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in 2014. Public engagement on this OCP update process started

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in late 20 and continued through 2023. This included a

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variety of opportunities to learn and provide feedback, including community

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surveys, multiple community dialogue sessions, and a neighborhood workshop for

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00:39:08,733 --> 00:39:11,693
the CVU neighborhood, and all this input helped shape the

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draft plan that was presented. In December 2023. Following the

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introduction of new provincial housing legislation in late 2023, the

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difficult decision was made to pause further public engagement on

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00:39:23,708 --> 00:39:27,713
the draft OCP in order to better understand. And address

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potential impacts. In November 2023, these three bills related to

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00:39:33,847 --> 00:39:39,207
Housing Statutes Amendment Act 2023 were introduced, including bill 44,

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residential development. And in response to this bill, Port Luthie

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00:39:43,247 --> 00:39:46,607
updated its zoning bylaw to integrate small scale, multinated housing.

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00:39:50,354 --> 00:39:51,994
In June of last year and in November of last

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00:39:51,994 --> 00:39:55,034
year. An interim housing lease report was also completed within

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the prescribed timeline. The next bill, Bill 46. Financing introduced

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a new tool called Amenity cost charge that allows local

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00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:09,210
governments to collect funds from new development to pay for

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amenities like community centers, recreation facilities, daycares and libraries. And

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these charges are intended to ensure that new development contributes

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to the cost of infrastructure needed to support a growing

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00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:22,878
population, so. This work is currently underway, this completion in

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00:40:22,878 --> 00:40:27,290
spring 2026. An existing development cost charges that we have

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now are also being updated in accordance with provincial guidelines.

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To be completed in fall of next year. Bill 47.

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Is the transit oriented areas statute. Which required vis to

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pass a bylaw establishing transit oriented areas as prescribed by

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the province and Fort looty passes bylaw in June of

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last year establishing transit oriented areas or toas around the

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Moody center and inlet center Skytrain stations, and then as

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00:40:58,822 --> 00:41:02,396
the kind of density envisioned. Within the Toas was not

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00:41:02,396 --> 00:41:06,156
contemplated in some parts of Moody center. Particular attention was

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00:41:06,156 --> 00:41:08,636
focused on the area south of St. John's in a

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separate neighborhood planning process, which is estimated for completion in

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00:41:12,596 --> 00:41:17,410
spring of next year. In terms of the impact and

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integration of provincial housing legislation into Port Moody 2050. Build

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44 residential development required updates to ocps to include statements

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of need for each of the designated seven classes of

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00:41:31,587 --> 00:41:34,907
housing need, as outlined in Port Ludy's 2021 housing needs

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00:41:34,907 --> 00:41:39,934
report and the 2024 interim housing needs report. And an

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00:41:39,934 --> 00:41:43,094
outline of OCP policy set support the seven classes of

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00:41:43,094 --> 00:41:47,863
housing needs. Will form a new appendix in the OCP

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00:41:47,863 --> 00:41:55,590
as required by legislation. And. Confirmation is required that the

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OCP designates enough land to meet the anticipated 20 year

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00:41:59,950 --> 00:42:04,670
housing. Needs included in the 2024 interim housing needs report.

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While projections are still being refined at this time. Preliminary

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00:42:10,214 --> 00:42:12,734
results indicate that this OCP will meet the 20 year

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00:42:12,734 --> 00:42:18,836
housing need. Of just under 9800 housing units. In relation

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00:42:18,836 --> 00:42:23,196
to Bill 47 transit oriented areas. The draft OCP includes

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00:42:23,196 --> 00:42:27,784
a number of references to the Toa legislation. Where this

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00:42:27,784 --> 00:42:32,384
legislation applies and the associated minimum density framework and a

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00:42:32,384 --> 00:42:35,464
new south of St. John street special study area and

523
00:42:35,464 --> 00:42:39,584
related policy framework has been created to guide future, more

524
00:42:39,584 --> 00:42:42,464
detailed neighborhood planning for this area to understand and plan

525
00:42:42,464 --> 00:42:46,859
for the impacts of the Toa legislation. Those areas most

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00:42:46,859 --> 00:42:52,219
significantly impacted by provincial housing legislation in the OCP include

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00:42:52,219 --> 00:42:58,498
chapter 14, which is our overall land use strategy. That

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strategy now includes a new low density residential land use

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to incorporate small scale multi unit housing chapter seven, the

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built environment includes requirements, as I mentioned earlier, related to

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statements of housing needs and integrates the Toa minimum density

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00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:18,319
framework. Chapter 14, which is neighborhood plan areas, has been

533
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:21,919
updated to reflect new terminology in relation to transit. Oriented

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00:43:21,919 --> 00:43:26,959
areas and contextual information related to small scale, multinated housing

535
00:43:26,959 --> 00:43:31,359
and transit oriented areas within the relevant affected neighborhood areas.

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00:43:33,149 --> 00:43:36,930
Map one again. Shows is effective in terms of it

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00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:42,517
now shows the Toa circles around. Two stations and how

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00:43:42,517 --> 00:43:46,806
that impacts port Moody. And we. Have a new map

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00:43:46,806 --> 00:43:50,126
15 which shows a new development permit area for small

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00:43:50,126 --> 00:43:56,215
scale multi unit housing. To meet the provincial requirements. This

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00:43:56,215 --> 00:43:58,135
additional appendix, as mentioned earlier, will be created to list

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00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:02,028
all the policies that address. Each class of housing needs.

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00:44:03,631 --> 00:44:06,431
And we've included related changes to the public hearing process.

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As a result of legislation incorporated that into the OCP.

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This is a map showing all the lots in Port

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00:44:14,011 --> 00:44:17,691
Moody affected by the small scale multination. Housing legislation. The

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00:44:17,691 --> 00:44:20,171
green sheeted area as well up to four units in

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00:44:20,171 --> 00:44:23,971
the purple sheeted areas up to six units. So these

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00:44:23,971 --> 00:44:29,892
areas are now covered by this new low density. Residential

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00:44:29,892 --> 00:44:34,147
land use designation. And are part of the development permanent

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00:44:34,147 --> 00:44:38,267
area six, for which we have form and character guidelines

552
00:44:38,267 --> 00:44:42,265
to go along with this form of housing. This map

553
00:44:42,265 --> 00:44:46,145
includes areas affected by the transit oriented area legislation, as

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00:44:46,145 --> 00:44:48,785
shown here in concedric circles around the two sky train

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stations. This map also shows the location of the Moody

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00:44:52,625 --> 00:44:58,925
center station. Toa core, which is the rectangle outlined in

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00:44:58,925 --> 00:45:05,116
black. Closest to the Luji center station. This area was

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00:45:05,116 --> 00:45:09,356
formally referred to as the Moody center station. Tod area.

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So slight change in terminologies is so we can be

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00:45:12,676 --> 00:45:16,076
less confusing and more in line with the provincial legislation.

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The circles that are furthest to the right show the

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00:45:19,806 --> 00:45:24,206
inlet center toa core outlined in dark blue at the

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00:45:24,206 --> 00:45:28,818
center of the inlet. Center to eight. And chapter 14

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00:45:28,818 --> 00:45:32,938
outlines Landy's policies for these core areas as well as

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00:45:32,938 --> 00:45:37,502
the wider Moody center and inlet center neighborhoods. This is

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00:45:37,502 --> 00:45:46,898
an illustration of the Toa. Density framework. Which creates a

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00:45:46,898 --> 00:45:50,778
land use system based on the distance from the transit

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00:45:50,778 --> 00:45:54,658
center that defines standards such as minimum allowable density and

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00:45:54,658 --> 00:45:58,498
heights. So height and density based on these 200, 408

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00:45:58,498 --> 00:46:06,193
hundred meter concentric intervals from. The station. Centers with 20

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00:46:06,193 --> 00:46:10,033
stories closest to the stations, decreasing to twelve stories and

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00:46:10,033 --> 00:46:13,753
eight stories as you move. Further out and this graphic

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00:46:13,753 --> 00:46:19,459
is incorporated into the official community plan for reference. Over

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the five year period from 2020 to 2025, the city

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00:46:23,419 --> 00:46:32,355
has engaged Portley community. And on the evolving update of

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00:46:32,355 --> 00:46:38,131
the OCP. This has included 17 engagement opportunities. Including multiple

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00:46:38,131 --> 00:46:43,811
surveys, community dialogues, information sessions, open houses, including the most

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00:46:43,811 --> 00:46:48,411
recent engagement effort in 2025 so in total, just over

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00:46:48,411 --> 00:46:53,880
4300 participants were involved in the OCP update process. And

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during this period, the input received engagement process has been

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00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,640
incorporated into both a 2023 draft version of the OCP

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00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,776
as well as this latest version. There's a summary for

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00:47:06,776 --> 00:47:09,896
those who are watching of the engagement activities related to

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00:47:09,896 --> 00:47:12,976
the OCP and the 2023 draft OCP as well as

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00:47:12,976 --> 00:47:16,696
the 2025 draft OCP on the engage port movie page.

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00:47:18,396 --> 00:47:25,975
So, as proposed in the draft 2023 OCP, This is

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the community vision. It's the same community vision in 2025

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as in 2023. The vision sets a foundation for the

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00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,760
official community plan. It's a clear, shared vision that defines

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00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,120
and brings meaning to what's important for the future of

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00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,760
port Moody and guides the goals, objectives and policies of

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the OCP to inform decision making. I'll just quickly go.

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Through it. So in. 2050. Portmouth is a carbon neutral,

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resilient, inclusive, safe and vibrant. Waterfront city of complete and

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00:47:59,971 --> 00:48:03,571
connected neighborhoods. Port Rudy has unique and complete neighborhoods with

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00:48:03,571 --> 00:48:06,811
diverse amenities within a ten minute walk connected by an

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00:48:06,811 --> 00:48:11,171
active transportation network portal. Visa friendly, walkable, healthy and green.

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Community that values its natural environment, environmentally sensitive areas, heritage,

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00:48:16,091 --> 00:48:19,793
character and assets, parks and recreation area. Areas and the

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00:48:19,793 --> 00:48:22,113
city of the Arts port. Ludi's commitment to arts and

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00:48:22,113 --> 00:48:27,233
culture brings residents together through social protectedness, mutual understanding, and

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00:48:27,233 --> 00:48:32,915
placement. Deed. So, unlike previous ocps, Portland 2050 has a

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00:48:32,915 --> 00:48:36,755
strong climate action focus, which is evident in each focus

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00:48:36,755 --> 00:48:45,846
areas of the plan. This image shows how different components

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00:48:45,846 --> 00:48:49,046
flow into the OCP and are in turned informed by

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00:48:49,046 --> 00:48:52,789
it. So at the top are the provincial requirements. Which

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00:48:52,789 --> 00:48:56,109
set the timing for this OCP update and future updates

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00:48:56,109 --> 00:48:59,485
as well. As well as some of the content of

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00:48:59,485 --> 00:49:06,625
the OCP, the regional growth strategy. Outlines. The role of

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00:49:06,625 --> 00:49:12,305
local governments in achieving regional goals. And it's reflected in

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00:49:12,305 --> 00:49:15,905
our regional context statement how our OCP aligns with those

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00:49:15,905 --> 00:49:22,273
regional goals council strategic plan. Informs Portman 2050 as well.

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00:49:23,851 --> 00:49:30,236
And the overarching. Plan. That is incorporated throughout forming 2050

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00:49:30,236 --> 00:49:33,196
is a climate action plan and you'll see following climate

615
00:49:33,196 --> 00:49:36,864
action plan. Are a number of other sector specific plans

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00:49:36,864 --> 00:49:40,651
and strategies. And then at the bottom are examples of

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00:49:40,651 --> 00:49:44,931
bylaws and policies. So all of these sector specific plans,

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00:49:44,931 --> 00:49:49,890
strategies. And bylaws really implement the direction that's set in

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00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:54,272
the official community plan. Map one shown here is the

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00:49:54,272 --> 00:49:57,912
overall land use plan. It encompasses all properties in Fort

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00:49:57,912 --> 00:50:06,047
Moody and Zassein's heat at land use designation. The. ToA

622
00:50:06,047 --> 00:50:10,228
circles are superimposed on this map for reference. Clearly show

623
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the areas that are impacted. Pardon me. And this is

624
00:50:16,388 --> 00:50:19,068
a close up of map one for the Moody center

625
00:50:19,068 --> 00:50:23,228
and Inlet center neighborhoods. It shows the provincial transit oriented

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00:50:23,228 --> 00:50:26,868
tiers around each Skytrain station as an overlay, and then

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00:50:26,868 --> 00:50:33,250
underneath that. Our port Moody's proposed land use designations. So

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while the majority of the land use designations remain unchanged

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from the 2023 draft to OCP, there are a few

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2025 changes worth noting, which will be discussed in the

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00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:47,946
upcoming slides. So these include two new special study areas

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00:50:47,946 --> 00:50:49,706
that are outlined in black here. They might be a

633
00:50:49,706 --> 00:50:54,384
little bit hard to see. There's one. On Murray street

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here. Near kind of the middle of the graphic and

635
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then also this larger south of St. John Street. Black

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00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:06,422
outlined area towards the bottom of the screen. As well

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as. The new low density residential land use that's shown

638
00:51:11,845 --> 00:51:15,914
here in yellow. Not just on the screen, but throughout

639
00:51:15,914 --> 00:51:20,234
the wider port booty, which now applies to single, detached

640
00:51:20,234 --> 00:51:24,753
duplex and small scale motions. Housing types. So the updated

641
00:51:24,753 --> 00:51:27,993
draft OCP document as a whole includes revisions to each

642
00:51:27,993 --> 00:51:31,833
chapter to reflect the range of port Modi studies, strategies,

643
00:51:31,833 --> 00:51:34,513
and plans that have been completed since the last OCP

644
00:51:34,513 --> 00:51:40,393
update comprehensive update in 2014. Port Moody 2050 also integrates.

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00:51:44,237 --> 00:51:49,374
Current senior. Government legislation and regulation as well as best

646
00:51:49,374 --> 00:51:54,217
practices in relevant fields. Where that's applicable and the resulting

647
00:51:54,217 --> 00:51:58,587
plan. Is presented in this new refreshed format which really

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00:51:58,587 --> 00:52:06,332
enhances readability and accessibility. And expresses Portmandi's identity throughout. Some

649
00:52:06,332 --> 00:52:09,172
new terminology was introduced as part of the provincial housing

650
00:52:09,172 --> 00:52:13,492
legislation, and to prevent confusion, the existing transit oriented development

651
00:52:13,492 --> 00:52:16,932
areas in the city's OCP have been renamed. As I

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00:52:16,932 --> 00:52:19,972
mentioned earlier, the policy direction for each area remains the

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00:52:19,972 --> 00:52:28,818
same. However. So the Moody center station Tod area is

654
00:52:28,818 --> 00:52:33,298
now the Ludic center transit oriented area core, indicating it's

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00:52:33,298 --> 00:52:38,187
at the center of the larger transit oriented area. The

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boundaries as we'll get into have adjusted slightly as part

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00:52:41,107 --> 00:52:45,347
of this OCB update. But remain substantially the same. And

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the inlet center? Station Tresoris development or TOD areas now

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00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:56,606
the inlet center station transit Oregon area core. Just to

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00:52:56,606 --> 00:53:01,493
note, as moody, center. Is particularly large and diverse part

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00:53:01,493 --> 00:53:04,893
of the city. This section of chapter 14 in the

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00:53:04,893 --> 00:53:10,326
draft OCP has been organized. From more general neighborhood level

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policies to more specific. Toa core policies. To really assist

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in understanding the relationship between these components. And make that

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00:53:20,726 --> 00:53:27,420
more evident. In the document. The Moody center station, Toa

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00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:30,820
Core area, again formerly known as the Tod area, is

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00:53:30,820 --> 00:53:35,500
proposed to be extended slightly eastward to Buller street, all

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00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:38,940
within 400 meters of the Moody center sky train. Station.

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So I'll just circle it here. It's in the addition

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of the area here. That. I'm just motioning with my

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00:53:50,829 --> 00:53:59,565
cursor. The Moody Center

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00:53:59,565 --> 00:54:05,645
Station Transit oriented development guidance framework for OCP and rezoning

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00:54:05,645 --> 00:54:10,781
amendment applications was endorsed by council in 2023. As a

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framework to guide the review of applications in the TLD

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area in advance of OCP updates. So with this OCP

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00:54:17,861 --> 00:54:21,941
update, key planning principles and land use policies in that

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00:54:21,941 --> 00:54:27,718
framework have been incorporated. To align with it, and these

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include. New policies that. Within the core area. It's expected

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00:54:36,591 --> 00:54:40,151
that there will be contributions to the city's minimum target

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of 2800. Jobs and full buildout within this area. That

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it will also include interconnected network of parks, open space,

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a daylight creek, pedestrian roots linking shoreline park to the

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chinese potential for building heights up to 39 stories on

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some parcels north of Spring street and up to 31

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stories on some parcels fronting St. John Street. A recommended

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00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:09,845
tower separation of just over 30 meters. But also noting

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that. Some flexibility to go to a minimum of 28

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meters in some circumstances and really looking to achieve a

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varied. Very distinct, understandable skyline for the core area next

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to the station. The OCP land use designation for Murray

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street for the south side of Murray street has been

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updated to reflect a focus on urban industrial uses for

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this area. So just to know this would not include

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residential components. Three properties are also included in a new

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special study area that's outlined here in black. On Murray

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street. This is indicating that further study is needed to

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understand how these properties can redevelop to support a number

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of desired amenities that are listed in the OCP, including

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00:56:00,463 --> 00:56:05,503
an overpass from the Moody center sky train station to

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Murray street and the daylighting of Dallas slaughterhous. Slaughterhouse Creek.

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As noted earlier, a new south of St. John street

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00:56:14,089 --> 00:56:21,043
study area has been created to encompass an area. Significantly

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00:56:21,043 --> 00:56:26,847
impact from the Toa minimum density framework. This ocp includes

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00:56:26,847 --> 00:56:30,956
high level. Policy objectives for this area. To provide guidance

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for a more detailed. Future neighborhood plan for this area.

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And we expect that an OCP amendment to incorporate the

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00:56:38,666 --> 00:56:41,346
south of St. John Street Neighborhood plan will happen in

708
00:56:41,346 --> 00:56:47,376
spring 2026. A cultural node has been identified, which includes

709
00:56:47,376 --> 00:56:51,856
city owned lands at Kyle Park, Kyle Center, Pomo. Arts

710
00:56:51,856 --> 00:56:56,176
and clean street, including the Queen Street Plaza and adjacent

711
00:56:56,176 --> 00:56:59,936
areas. And so the addition of a cultural node aligns

712
00:56:59,936 --> 00:57:04,601
with the city's commitments to arts, culture and herit. Heritage

713
00:57:04,601 --> 00:57:07,859
and will enhance the vibrancy of this neighborhood. It also

714
00:57:07,859 --> 00:57:11,819
intends to facilitate linkages between the north and south sides

715
00:57:11,819 --> 00:57:14,499
of St. John's. Street in this area between Kyle center

716
00:57:14,499 --> 00:57:18,099
and the wider heritage commercial district. So elements that are

717
00:57:18,099 --> 00:57:22,144
anticipated. For inclusion in the cultural node, including public art,

718
00:57:22,144 --> 00:57:27,264
flexible performance spaces, sibit and gathering spaces unique landscaping and

719
00:57:27,264 --> 00:57:33,100
street furniture elements, which. Really? Set this area as distinct

720
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:36,820
from other surrounding areas as well as commercial and residential

721
00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:42,687
components. To support the vibrancy of this area. We engaged

722
00:57:42,687 --> 00:57:45,687
as part of this OCP process, specifically with the CVU

723
00:57:45,687 --> 00:57:53,814
neighborhood in 2023. And in response, the draft LCP includes

724
00:57:53,814 --> 00:57:57,174
a number of proposed land use changes for the eight

725
00:57:57,174 --> 00:58:02,014
areas outlined in the map on the slide, and these

726
00:58:02,014 --> 00:58:05,134
are really intended to increase the diversity of housing options

727
00:58:05,134 --> 00:58:09,654
beyond single family to both three story and six story

728
00:58:09,654 --> 00:58:14,025
residential forums and. The policies that relate to these specific

729
00:58:14,025 --> 00:58:19,292
areas outlined on the screen. Include detailed guidance on expectations

730
00:58:19,292 --> 00:58:24,136
for redevelopments. So some examples are. That are desires for

731
00:58:24,136 --> 00:58:29,536
parks and open space in these areas, transportation improvements, diversity

732
00:58:29,536 --> 00:58:34,960
of housing as well. And lastly, the draft OCP includes

733
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,800
updates to the development Permia area guidelines for environmentally sensitive

734
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:48,780
areas. These are very limited. Intended to provide clarity. Online

735
00:58:48,780 --> 00:58:54,045
applications are exempt. From the guidelines and also includes updated

736
00:58:54,045 --> 00:58:58,405
references to best practices in senior government legislation and regulation.

737
00:59:00,309 --> 00:59:04,309
And the guidelines have been reorganized for clarity and readability.

738
00:59:06,067 --> 00:59:09,187
And then to assist with the implementation of small scale,

739
00:59:09,187 --> 00:59:14,706
multi unit housing zoning changes. There's a new development permit.

740
00:59:14,706 --> 00:59:17,746
Area development Permanent Area six with forming character guidelines for

741
00:59:17,746 --> 00:59:23,365
Shmou. Development, and these align with the upcoming. Guide to

742
00:59:23,365 --> 00:59:30,209
Fosco Monte housing. Okay, so in terms of next steps

743
00:59:30,209 --> 00:59:37,250
in this process, In order to meet the December 31,

744
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:42,130
2025 legislative deadline, the following next steps have been identified

745
00:59:42,130 --> 00:59:46,050
so over July and August. The intention is to finalize

746
00:59:46,050 --> 00:59:50,210
the OCP document in bylaw. And engage with Metro Vancouver

747
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:55,635
for preliminary review of the city's regional context. Statement. In

748
00:59:55,635 --> 01:00:01,336
September. This would include presentation to the city's land use

749
01:00:01,336 --> 01:00:05,776
committee and presentation of the draft OCP bylaw for consideration

750
01:00:05,776 --> 01:00:10,328
of two readings and referral to external agencies. And then,

751
01:00:10,328 --> 01:00:13,728
following a 30 day review period, a public hearing would

752
01:00:13,728 --> 01:00:18,048
be held, ideally in October, allowing for the regional contact

753
01:00:18,048 --> 01:00:21,688
statement to be referred to Metro Vancouver for acceptance in

754
01:00:21,688 --> 01:00:25,578
time for consideration by the metro board in November. And

755
01:00:25,578 --> 01:00:31,581
finally, consideration of the OCP. Adoption in early December to

756
01:00:31,581 --> 01:00:37,818
meet the legislative deadline. And that concludes my presentation. Thank

757
01:00:37,818 --> 01:00:41,565
you. Thank you. Mr. Polly, I want to say thank

758
01:00:41,565 --> 01:00:45,405
you to yourself and Liam and Isabelle as authors. Of

759
01:00:45,405 --> 01:00:47,645
the staff report. I found the staff report to be

760
01:00:47,645 --> 01:00:52,685
quite exceptional when it very specifically looked at the 2023

761
01:00:52,685 --> 01:00:56,405
draft OCP and what has been changed. And I think

762
01:00:56,405 --> 01:01:04,325
that. Delay. Well, unfortunate. It gave us additional time to

763
01:01:04,325 --> 01:01:08,165
actually improve. And I'll make those comments later. At this

764
01:01:08,165 --> 01:01:11,325
point, I'd like to open the discussion up to my

765
01:01:11,325 --> 01:01:18,437
colleagues. For questions, comments. Amendments. The floor is yours, committee

766
01:01:18,437 --> 01:01:24,164
members. I have. Councilor Lebecki, you have the floor. Thank

767
01:01:24,164 --> 01:01:31,574
you. I have no problem starting. Us off. So I

768
01:01:31,574 --> 01:01:35,611
just want to. Say? I significantly appreciate the work of

769
01:01:35,611 --> 01:01:38,051
staff on this and how much work it is and

770
01:01:38,051 --> 01:01:40,051
what's. Been done so far, and the quality of the

771
01:01:40,051 --> 01:01:44,411
work is exemplary, is important for the public. To realize.

772
01:01:46,008 --> 01:01:51,565
That the vision depicted here. Ultimately reflect. The level of

773
01:01:51,565 --> 01:01:56,049
density. And the vision of this council, though if there

774
01:01:56,049 --> 01:01:58,569
was a different counsel with a different vision around development.

775
01:01:58,569 --> 01:02:02,377
This job coming from staff would look completely different. And

776
01:02:02,377 --> 01:02:05,635
that's a fact. The problem with this OCP, as I

777
01:02:05,635 --> 01:02:08,595
see it in a nutshell, is an OCP. Is intended

778
01:02:08,595 --> 01:02:13,239
to reflect a community decision, not a council. In order

779
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:14,999
for that to happen, a council needs to not only

780
01:02:14,999 --> 01:02:17,719
agree to listen to residents, but to take concrete action

781
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:21,168
on what it hears. And what council has heard over

782
01:02:21,168 --> 01:02:24,365
and over and over again. The resident support me. Do

783
01:02:24,365 --> 01:02:27,165
not want to see overdevelopment. Instead, they want to see.

784
01:02:27,165 --> 01:02:30,285
Moderate growth and the no wall of powers they were

785
01:02:30,285 --> 01:02:34,605
promised. Get this OCP, if implemented, will result in extreme

786
01:02:34,605 --> 01:02:38,485
levels of growth. Walls of towers. And such a dramatic

787
01:02:38,485 --> 01:02:42,045
change to our beloved city. With such immense impacts, it's

788
01:02:42,045 --> 01:02:46,610
honestly hard to. Comprehend or communicate it when just reading

789
01:02:46,610 --> 01:02:50,528
from the flat pieces of paper it's written on. Many

790
01:02:50,528 --> 01:02:52,728
of the reasons people live here now and the reasons

791
01:02:52,728 --> 01:02:55,408
people move here will no longer exist. As we know

792
01:02:55,408 --> 01:02:59,183
them. Because port Moody, as we know today. Will continue

793
01:02:59,183 --> 01:03:02,072
to disappear in front of our eyes. But is this

794
01:03:02,072 --> 01:03:05,112
for some sort of greater good? Is there some new

795
01:03:05,112 --> 01:03:08,312
urban utopia waiting for us? At the end of this.

796
01:03:08,312 --> 01:03:11,152
If that was the case, maybe we could collectively agree

797
01:03:11,152 --> 01:03:15,370
it was just. All worth it. But our residents. If

798
01:03:15,370 --> 01:03:18,610
we follow the development plans proposed as of today and

799
01:03:18,610 --> 01:03:21,530
end in this document. Would lose their home as they

800
01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:24,730
know it. So we can fill the public skyline with

801
01:03:24,730 --> 01:03:28,010
dozens of luxury condo towers very few can afford that

802
01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:31,890
are unneeded, all the while seeing affordability. And livability for

803
01:03:31,890 --> 01:03:35,608
most people in our city continue to wor. Worsen. The

804
01:03:35,608 --> 01:03:39,679
approach that led us here today to this OCP. That

805
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:44,318
holds that feature comes after council. Use public resources. At

806
01:03:44,318 --> 01:03:47,798
a council meeting, we invited a selected pundit to try

807
01:03:47,798 --> 01:03:51,678
and discredit the most successful public OCP surveys in our

808
01:03:51,678 --> 01:03:55,334
city's history. Surveys that directly counter much of what we

809
01:03:55,334 --> 01:03:58,894
see in this OCP. And this OCP comes after council

810
01:03:58,894 --> 01:04:02,014
has changed how we engage and how we engagement has

811
01:04:02,014 --> 01:04:05,294
been done in ocps. For decades. We will be having

812
01:04:05,294 --> 01:04:09,861
a fourth conversation. On that topic of engagement tonight, after

813
01:04:09,861 --> 01:04:13,141
delay in mixed messages to our community and on top

814
01:04:13,141 --> 01:04:16,261
of all this. We are currently considering expediting approval of

815
01:04:16,261 --> 01:04:20,101
the OCP by combining first and second reading without any

816
01:04:20,101 --> 01:04:25,581
planned public engagement on the actual OCP document. OCP's previous

817
01:04:25,581 --> 01:04:29,497
has line by line review. Reviews in council committee for

818
01:04:29,497 --> 01:04:33,057
hours. Council sat there to ensure they got it right.

819
01:04:33,057 --> 01:04:34,977
And I want to know when this is happening with

820
01:04:34,977 --> 01:04:39,656
this OCP. I do not believe that's intention for tonight,

821
01:04:39,656 --> 01:04:42,096
because it's part of a huge agenda. The doctor is

822
01:04:42,096 --> 01:04:45,776
not 100% complete. It's mid July when we know the

823
01:04:45,776 --> 01:04:48,776
public is occupied with summer, and I want to probably

824
01:04:48,776 --> 01:04:53,554
hear from the public on this full oCP. Document. There

825
01:04:53,554 --> 01:04:58,114
is a disconnect between the expectations of our community and

826
01:04:58,114 --> 01:05:02,514
how this council is governing. We work for our residents,

827
01:05:02,514 --> 01:05:06,194
the people who elected us and even those who didn't.

828
01:05:06,194 --> 01:05:09,354
And to suggest to the public. We hear you, but

829
01:05:09,354 --> 01:05:11,834
we disagree, so we are not going to change. Course.

830
01:05:13,416 --> 01:05:15,176
Is really not the best approach to take with the

831
01:05:15,176 --> 01:05:18,559
people who put us at this table. What is needed

832
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:22,719
is total transformation and how council approaches its relationship with

833
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:25,879
the public so that the public knows the voice matters

834
01:05:25,879 --> 01:05:28,399
not in theory or to check a box, but because

835
01:05:28,399 --> 01:05:31,279
their voices will directly inform the future of the community.

836
01:05:31,279 --> 01:05:36,092
They love making sure the voices of people matter. That

837
01:05:36,092 --> 01:05:39,274
is why. I'm here and what I'm representing tonight, that

838
01:05:39,274 --> 01:05:42,274
is what I have been here. Representing every night. And

839
01:05:42,274 --> 01:05:45,977
that is what I will continue to fight for. This

840
01:05:45,977 --> 01:05:49,857
OCP needs significant review and changes that reflect the feedback

841
01:05:49,857 --> 01:05:52,657
we've heard from the community. I do not support the

842
01:05:52,657 --> 01:05:57,617
next steps outlined. Right now towards its approval, because I

843
01:05:57,617 --> 01:06:00,737
don't believe it's going to be allowing us to hear

844
01:06:00,737 --> 01:06:06,228
from the community as we need to. Thank you. Timing

845
01:06:06,228 --> 01:06:09,028
on that, Councilor Rebecca. I have councilor Noldas up next.

846
01:06:11,485 --> 01:06:14,365
Thank you, Councilor Joelworth. So first I want to do

847
01:06:14,365 --> 01:06:16,405
the same. I want to thank staff for their continued

848
01:06:16,405 --> 01:06:21,205
work on this excellent 186 page document. Despite all the

849
01:06:21,205 --> 01:06:23,845
setbacks and obstacles thrown our way by the province in

850
01:06:23,845 --> 01:06:26,725
the last two years. I know it hasn't been. Easy.

851
01:06:26,725 --> 01:06:28,525
It's been a slog. It's been a lot of back

852
01:06:28,525 --> 01:06:31,726
and forth. With a lot of different pieces. That had

853
01:06:31,726 --> 01:06:34,446
to come together, so I just wanted to recognize that

854
01:06:34,446 --> 01:06:37,725
effort. What we have seen in front of us. Really?

855
01:06:41,326 --> 01:06:43,566
Is a culmination of all that work, so it looks

856
01:06:43,566 --> 01:06:47,641
great. I appreciate staff mentioning just how many public engagement

857
01:06:47,641 --> 01:06:50,721
opportunities have been provided over the years to get us

858
01:06:50,721 --> 01:06:54,681
to today. And in general, I think this draft accurately

859
01:06:54,681 --> 01:06:57,601
captures priorities and vision, not just of this council, but

860
01:06:57,601 --> 01:07:00,761
of this community at large and the residents I've spoken

861
01:07:00,761 --> 01:07:02,801
to about it. Even though we've only received this about

862
01:07:02,801 --> 01:07:07,502
four days ago. They're really enthusiastic about activating port Modi's

863
01:07:07,502 --> 01:07:11,502
potential as a vibrant dynamic. Place to live with opportunities

864
01:07:11,502 --> 01:07:16,587
and amenities. And being able to access arts and culture

865
01:07:16,587 --> 01:07:20,147
and transit, it's all really coming together, so. I'm really

866
01:07:20,147 --> 01:07:26,916
pleased in particular. I'm glad we're going to maintain Murray

867
01:07:26,916 --> 01:07:29,716
street as industrial, given that we're. Doing our part to

868
01:07:29,716 --> 01:07:33,916
add housing adjacent to our sky trains, not just as

869
01:07:33,916 --> 01:07:37,369
mandated by the official government, but. As appropriate, I think.

870
01:07:39,166 --> 01:07:42,886
Both for matters of traffic, climate change and best practices.

871
01:07:44,461 --> 01:07:47,621
I wanted to address a comment I just heard now,

872
01:07:47,621 --> 01:07:49,741
and I've heard a couple of times at this table.

873
01:07:49,741 --> 01:07:52,861
To be clear, council works all year round because we

874
01:07:52,861 --> 01:07:56,095
have a lot of work to do. There is a

875
01:07:56,095 --> 01:07:57,415
lot of projects we have on the go, a lot

876
01:07:57,415 --> 01:08:00,855
of large projects, and tonight's agenda is just a small

877
01:08:00,855 --> 01:08:03,775
example of that. So to suggest that we shouldn't. Be

878
01:08:03,775 --> 01:08:07,712
working on large projects. Or proceeding with projects because it's

879
01:08:07,712 --> 01:08:12,492
summer or because it's winter. Makes no sense. And I

880
01:08:12,492 --> 01:08:15,412
absolutely reject that. I reject that idea. We need to

881
01:08:15,412 --> 01:08:17,532
keep going. We need to do the job that we've

882
01:08:17,532 --> 01:08:20,332
been elected to do, and I'm very proud of us.

883
01:08:20,332 --> 01:08:23,640
That word's doing it. I don't know about other jobs,

884
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,120
but in every job I've ever had and I've been

885
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,680
working since I was 16. I've worked during the summer,

886
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,440
and I worked in December and I work in July.

887
01:08:30,859 --> 01:08:34,059
So that's not going to change. And I thank staff

888
01:08:34,059 --> 01:08:37,979
for everybody gets some vacation time. Off, and I know

889
01:08:37,979 --> 01:08:39,379
staff is probably going to take some time off the

890
01:08:39,379 --> 01:08:41,259
summer, and I hope they enjoy that time, but the

891
01:08:41,259 --> 01:08:45,689
work must continue. I do have a few concerns related

892
01:08:45,689 --> 01:08:49,329
to how the OCT refers to specific land parcels, and

893
01:08:49,329 --> 01:08:52,689
I hope we hear directly from residents affected by this

894
01:08:52,689 --> 01:08:55,009
language now that we've got a draft. In front of

895
01:08:55,009 --> 01:08:57,809
us. I know we've seen at least two letters already.

896
01:08:57,809 --> 01:09:00,249
Which is why it's really important for everyone to read

897
01:09:00,249 --> 01:09:03,729
and understand the document while OCPs can be changed and

898
01:09:03,729 --> 01:09:06,807
amend. Amended and are considered living documents. I think it's

899
01:09:06,807 --> 01:09:09,527
best if we can make everyone as happy as possible

900
01:09:09,527 --> 01:09:13,087
for final version is approved. So one of the concerns.

901
01:09:14,562 --> 01:09:16,362
Was related to the treatment of the south side of

902
01:09:16,362 --> 01:09:20,409
duty trunk as being different from the north. Side. I

903
01:09:20,409 --> 01:09:23,049
know staff just received that email, so I just want

904
01:09:23,049 --> 01:09:24,889
to make sure that's on. Their radar. I'm sure it

905
01:09:24,889 --> 01:09:27,569
is. I look forward into digging into that with staff

906
01:09:27,569 --> 01:09:30,329
before. Going forward because I know that those residents are

907
01:09:30,329 --> 01:09:34,169
concerned. The second set of concerns relates to language. Used

908
01:09:34,169 --> 01:09:38,008
in the section referencing the ocean print property. And from

909
01:09:38,008 --> 01:09:41,008
my first read, I agree with much of it. I

910
01:09:41,008 --> 01:09:43,128
know we're all anxious to work with that landowner to

911
01:09:43,128 --> 01:09:45,728
move that project forward and expand Rocky Point park at

912
01:09:45,728 --> 01:09:48,288
the same time, so I'm hoping we can chat later

913
01:09:48,288 --> 01:09:50,408
with staff about some of the issues brought up in

914
01:09:50,408 --> 01:09:53,288
that letter we only received this afternoon, so I think

915
01:09:53,288 --> 01:09:56,248
it makes sense to give staff a chance to review

916
01:09:56,248 --> 01:09:59,697
before we go through these issues one by. One. I

917
01:09:59,697 --> 01:10:02,958
think most of them are quite reasonable, but. There are

918
01:10:02,958 --> 01:10:05,758
a few matters that it brought up, particularly the ESA

919
01:10:05,758 --> 01:10:09,078
issue again, and I had a quick question. What is

920
01:10:09,078 --> 01:10:12,118
floodplain zoning? Is that something that you can help me

921
01:10:12,118 --> 01:10:18,154
with, Mr. Polly. Here it is, staff. Thank you. Through

922
01:10:18,154 --> 01:10:22,640
the chair. We're in the midst of a coastal flood

923
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:30,216
strategy currently. Which. We expect. To develop a number of

924
01:10:30,216 --> 01:10:34,576
recommendations so some of those could relate to a new

925
01:10:34,576 --> 01:10:42,620
flood construction level. And potential new setbacks, which would. Be

926
01:10:42,620 --> 01:10:45,660
enforced through the zoning bylaw. So that's just to give

927
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:49,495
you some examples. Of potential changes to zoning as a

928
01:10:49,495 --> 01:10:53,615
result. Okay, so we'll flesh those out, hopefully in future

929
01:10:53,615 --> 01:10:57,511
iterations of this document. Just to make that clear. Because.

930
01:10:57,511 --> 01:10:59,951
Yeah, I didn't know what that was either. Okay, I

931
01:10:59,951 --> 01:11:02,191
know we've only got about 30 seconds left, so I'll

932
01:11:02,191 --> 01:11:04,631
leave my comments there for now. I look forward to

933
01:11:04,631 --> 01:11:08,057
a chance to. Get into this further with my colleagues

934
01:11:08,057 --> 01:11:10,777
and with the community. Really hope everyone provides us with

935
01:11:10,777 --> 01:11:15,468
their feedback. And this is just the beginning, and I'm

936
01:11:15,468 --> 01:11:18,388
excited for what's to come, so. Again, appreciate your work

937
01:11:18,388 --> 01:11:22,645
on this staff. And I'll leave it there. Thank you.

938
01:11:22,645 --> 01:11:29,861
Thank you. Councilor. Councilor. Egg Torah. And then. Thank you.

939
01:11:31,685 --> 01:11:33,965
Yeah. Again, I just want to extend appreciation to staff

940
01:11:33,965 --> 01:11:36,165
for all this work. I know it's. A lot of

941
01:11:36,165 --> 01:11:39,165
work to gather all the input, to do all the

942
01:11:39,165 --> 01:11:44,561
consultation, and to gather. All the information from the plans

943
01:11:44,561 --> 01:11:47,121
and strategies that we already have in existence and put

944
01:11:47,121 --> 01:11:51,549
in a comprehensive plan that's easy to read. And so

945
01:11:51,549 --> 01:11:55,013
I really appreciate that. I have a couple of questions.

946
01:11:57,267 --> 01:12:01,587
Specifically around the vision and goals. When was the visioning

947
01:12:01,587 --> 01:12:07,721
exercise undertaken? Mr. Polly. There was.

948
01:12:12,775 --> 01:12:14,535
A specific engagement on the vision and goals which took

949
01:12:14,535 --> 01:12:21,779
place. As part of. The 2020 to 2023 engagement phase

950
01:12:21,779 --> 01:12:26,730
of the OCP. And that resulted in the same vision

951
01:12:26,730 --> 01:12:31,130
that is carried forward in the 2025 draft. Okay, so.

952
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:38,316
Then to clarify. The vision was written. Prior to the

953
01:12:38,316 --> 01:12:41,996
2023 version that we saw and then put on hold.

954
01:12:41,996 --> 01:12:45,596
So this council has not given any specific direction on

955
01:12:45,596 --> 01:12:51,479
the vision and goals. That's correct. Okay, thank you. I

956
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,176
just want to clarify that. I have a few other

957
01:12:55,176 --> 01:13:00,900
questions. In the housing section or the built environment section,

958
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:09,234
there's a term, gentle density. And while I understand. What

959
01:13:09,234 --> 01:13:11,594
that is intended in there. For clarity, I feel like

960
01:13:11,594 --> 01:13:14,154
it might be useful to define and I was wondering

961
01:13:14,154 --> 01:13:20,496
if staff is considering adding a glossary. Ms. Dapoli through

962
01:13:20,496 --> 01:13:23,856
the chair to Councilor Eggtrap. At this time, we hadn't

963
01:13:23,856 --> 01:13:27,976
contemplated that, but it's certainly something we can consider if

964
01:13:27,976 --> 01:13:33,243
council wishes us to. Incorporate that we can also. Take

965
01:13:33,243 --> 01:13:36,835
as we have done in other places. Take certain terms.

966
01:13:38,914 --> 01:13:42,980
And include. Kind of pop out boxes throughout the document

967
01:13:42,980 --> 01:13:47,260
where we can provide that additional clarity on specific terms.

968
01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:49,900
As they're brought up in the document. I think that

969
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:53,580
might. I'll leave it. To my colleagues to comment too,

970
01:13:53,580 --> 01:13:57,624
but I think that might be useful. For that one

971
01:13:57,624 --> 01:14:02,160
in particular. I think there's some other ones. Later on.

972
01:14:03,355 --> 01:14:07,155
It's on page 51.6, talking about shelters and housing for

973
01:14:07,155 --> 01:14:12,979
people at risk. It mentions homelessness prevention strategies and rapid

974
01:14:12,979 --> 01:14:17,856
rehousing programs. And I think that might be useful to

975
01:14:17,856 --> 01:14:20,456
sort of expand upon so that we can fully understand.

976
01:14:20,456 --> 01:14:25,365
What that might mean. Additionally, also on that page, it

977
01:14:25,365 --> 01:14:31,260
does. Say? The number of people experiencing homosexist in Port

978
01:14:31,260 --> 01:14:33,820
Moody has the potential to rise in the coming years.

979
01:14:33,820 --> 01:14:37,602
While shelter may not. Be needed. There is an opportunity

980
01:14:37,602 --> 01:14:43,481
to implement homeless strategies. Et cetera, et cetera. We've seen

981
01:14:43,481 --> 01:14:48,409
from. 2020 to 2023, there was an 86% increase in

982
01:14:48,409 --> 01:14:53,355
homelessness. So it's almost like it is rising. We don't

983
01:14:53,355 --> 01:14:55,675
have the 2025 numbers. Yet, but we should be getting

984
01:14:55,675 --> 01:15:00,513
that in the fall. So just maybe cleaning up that

985
01:15:00,513 --> 01:15:04,340
language, and I would suggest. Deleting. There's a sentence that

986
01:15:04,340 --> 01:15:08,509
says at this time, there's little evidence. To support. However,

987
01:15:08,509 --> 01:15:11,589
maybe we could just delete that and start. Delete that

988
01:15:11,589 --> 01:15:15,728
section and start with increasing. Affordability constraints, I think, is

989
01:15:15,728 --> 01:15:19,356
the rest of that sentence. Just to give the flexibility,

990
01:15:19,356 --> 01:15:24,108
and I think. To not sort of presuppose what the

991
01:15:24,108 --> 01:15:31,875
results of the. Homeless count might be. Another specific comment.

992
01:15:33,579 --> 01:15:39,436
On page 56. Objective to point to. It says encourage

993
01:15:39,436 --> 01:15:42,596
landlords to abide by the minimum standards of maintenance. And

994
01:15:42,596 --> 01:15:47,873
we now have a bylaw, so encourage seems. A little

995
01:15:47,873 --> 01:15:51,113
like, are we encouraging before enforcing or are we taking

996
01:15:51,113 --> 01:15:56,404
an educate then a force approach? Can you just provide

997
01:15:56,404 --> 01:16:00,438
some clarity on that point? To the chair.

998
01:16:06,261 --> 01:16:10,386
Can I respond? Okay, great. So the policy relates to

999
01:16:10,386 --> 01:16:14,346
encouraging compliance is sort of almost preemptively avoiding having to

1000
01:16:14,346 --> 01:16:19,875
enforce the bylaw. And prevent unlivable tenant living conditions from

1001
01:16:19,875 --> 01:16:22,717
happening or getting worse. So this would be done on

1002
01:16:22,717 --> 01:16:26,517
a complaint basis. It wasn't meant to say we're. Not

1003
01:16:26,517 --> 01:16:31,705
enforcing the bylaw, but it was really. Looking. To. Encourage.

1004
01:16:32,970 --> 01:16:37,186
Compliance before taking any action, okay? Thanks for clarity buying

1005
01:16:37,186 --> 01:16:43,825
that and then. I just have. One other point. Or

1006
01:16:43,825 --> 01:16:46,425
two others. I guess we also say encourage provision of

1007
01:16:46,425 --> 01:16:49,305
on page 67, encourage the provision of car share programs

1008
01:16:49,305 --> 01:16:52,265
and a dedicated parking spot. I don't know if it's

1009
01:16:52,265 --> 01:16:55,025
worthwhile to be have a little bit more stronger language.

1010
01:16:55,025 --> 01:16:58,145
I think that's something that we're seeing in developments that

1011
01:16:58,145 --> 01:17:02,219
are coming forward, that they are having that. I leave

1012
01:17:02,219 --> 01:17:04,499
it up to the rest of council to sort of

1013
01:17:04,499 --> 01:17:07,819
weigh in on this, do we? Want to have. I

1014
01:17:07,819 --> 01:17:09,299
don't know if we want to go down the road

1015
01:17:09,299 --> 01:17:13,341
of require. But I feel like car share programs and

1016
01:17:13,341 --> 01:17:15,541
making sure that we have dedicated spaces for that is

1017
01:17:15,541 --> 01:17:19,381
going to be really important, especially as we move away

1018
01:17:19,381 --> 01:17:26,966
from. The parking regulations and parking minimums have changed. And

1019
01:17:26,966 --> 01:17:30,902
then sort of the last point. Is on page 72.6.

1020
01:17:30,902 --> 01:17:35,070
It. Says, as part of the city's effort to enhance

1021
01:17:35,070 --> 01:17:37,950
the image of Moody center, no further service station commercial

1022
01:17:37,950 --> 01:17:41,966
zones or automobile oriented commercial zones shall be permitted. Existing

1023
01:17:41,966 --> 01:17:44,606
property zone for automobile oriented use shall be encouraged to

1024
01:17:44,606 --> 01:17:48,406
be rezoned and redeveloped. Does this mean that eventually we'll

1025
01:17:48,406 --> 01:17:54,364
have zero places for car repair and maintenance? Mr poly.

1026
01:17:56,948 --> 01:18:04,006
Through the chair. No, it's not intended. It's more focusing

1027
01:18:04,006 --> 01:18:11,327
on. I think some of those larger parcels. That are

1028
01:18:11,327 --> 01:18:15,249
dedicated to car sales. Those needs in terms of service

1029
01:18:15,249 --> 01:18:25,228
stations. Or automobile oriented service. Repair shops, they can

1030
01:18:25,228 --> 01:18:31,999
continue under the existing zoning. And with the retention. Of

1031
01:18:31,999 --> 01:18:34,439
industrial on the south side of Worry street. It may

1032
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,652
be that some of those areas may become available. In

1033
01:18:38,652 --> 01:18:40,252
the long term for some of these uses as well.

1034
01:18:41,565 --> 01:18:44,645
It's not meant to push them out, but really just

1035
01:18:44,645 --> 01:18:51,174
to signal along St John's. Street. Some other uses might

1036
01:18:51,174 --> 01:18:53,374
be preferred, and there may be other areas of the

1037
01:18:53,374 --> 01:18:59,359
city where service. Uses like this could be a better

1038
01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:02,679
fit. Okay, so as long as we're not, I. Don't

1039
01:19:02,679 --> 01:19:05,039
want to have to drive to Maple Ridge or pit

1040
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:08,911
meadows to get my car. Serviced. I recognize that things

1041
01:19:08,911 --> 01:19:14,723
are changing, but. If we're going to complete communities still

1042
01:19:14,723 --> 01:19:18,529
need getting some of those services nearby. So that's it

1043
01:19:18,529 --> 01:19:22,897
for me. And I'll just leave it there for comments

1044
01:19:22,897 --> 01:19:26,457
for now. Thank you. Great. Thank you, councilor. Councilor lubic.

1045
01:19:28,139 --> 01:19:30,739
I want to start by saying how much I appreciate

1046
01:19:30,739 --> 01:19:33,179
all of that work on this. This is a mavic

1047
01:19:33,179 --> 01:19:36,619
undertaking, and it was really great to take a look

1048
01:19:36,619 --> 01:19:39,379
back through all of the engagement that you've done, and

1049
01:19:39,379 --> 01:19:41,699
especially, like, looking at the community vision. I know that

1050
01:19:41,699 --> 01:19:46,185
that was quite a long time ago. So I'd love

1051
01:19:46,185 --> 01:19:49,025
to hear more once we get into the next topic.

1052
01:19:50,518 --> 01:19:55,341
About community vision and goals and values now. But it

1053
01:19:55,341 --> 01:19:58,941
was really great to look at those engagement sessions and

1054
01:19:58,941 --> 01:20:02,301
see that, although we don't. All agree on what things

1055
01:20:02,301 --> 01:20:06,678
will look like at the end. There are some cross

1056
01:20:06,678 --> 01:20:11,238
cutting themes that are the values and goals that I

1057
01:20:11,238 --> 01:20:14,833
think that we're all trying to achieve. And so I

1058
01:20:14,833 --> 01:20:16,673
think staff have done a great job of outlining how

1059
01:20:16,673 --> 01:20:19,810
we're going. To do that. Looking at how we heard

1060
01:20:19,810 --> 01:20:22,490
that people wanted to take on traffic, which we've heard

1061
01:20:22,490 --> 01:20:28,637
over and over again. Affordable housing, expanding parks, incorporating climate

1062
01:20:28,637 --> 01:20:32,197
impacts, and expanding recreation services were some of the top

1063
01:20:32,197 --> 01:20:35,959
themes that I saw. I will say that I really

1064
01:20:35,959 --> 01:20:41,609
appreciate the work to maintain. As industrial. I think that

1065
01:20:41,609 --> 01:20:46,261
that's a really important piece. I do have a number

1066
01:20:46,261 --> 01:20:48,381
and I also love how staff laid out this report.

1067
01:20:48,381 --> 01:20:50,821
I will say especially in the different changes that have

1068
01:20:50,821 --> 01:20:58,607
been made. I do have. A number of. Comments and

1069
01:20:58,607 --> 01:21:02,007
we'll see if they have to be motions. I hope

1070
01:21:02,007 --> 01:21:08,163
that they don't. We'll see. So as far. Just. Some

1071
01:21:08,163 --> 01:21:11,397
of the starting comments on page twelve. Climate change. We

1072
01:21:11,397 --> 01:21:16,076
have a lot of great. Bullets on adaptation, but I

1073
01:21:16,076 --> 01:21:19,741
know we've talked a lot about adaptation. Into social inbuilt

1074
01:21:19,741 --> 01:21:24,181
infrastructure that projects for residents and ensures the longevity of

1075
01:21:24,181 --> 01:21:26,901
civic assets and I don't see that reflected in those

1076
01:21:26,901 --> 01:21:31,544
points. So I'd like to see that personally. In the

1077
01:21:31,544 --> 01:21:35,450
built environment section on Bill 14. I think it's really

1078
01:21:35,450 --> 01:21:42,268
important. That. Include preservation and renewal of rental stock. I

1079
01:21:42,268 --> 01:21:45,268
know that. That's later on in the document. But sometimes

1080
01:21:45,268 --> 01:21:51,213
people don't. Read. Any farther in the first open. As

1081
01:21:51,213 --> 01:21:56,880
well. We do talk about. It appears that councilor Lubic

1082
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:05,656
has frozen. And to meet the needs of our residents

1083
01:22:05,656 --> 01:22:09,336
throughout the document. Yeah. Councilor Lubit, you froze. There for

1084
01:22:09,336 --> 01:22:11,976
about 30 seconds, so we might have missed some of

1085
01:22:11,976 --> 01:22:17,766
what you were saying. And I am trying to go

1086
01:22:17,766 --> 01:22:21,366
fast, though I don't go over time, but really just

1087
01:22:21,366 --> 01:22:23,046
to say that I think that there are some things

1088
01:22:23,046 --> 01:22:26,486
that need to be included around health and social infrastructure

1089
01:22:26,486 --> 01:22:32,339
does not just daycare. On page 14. On page 20.

1090
01:22:34,305 --> 01:22:37,753
I think it's important that. We clarify some of the

1091
01:22:37,753 --> 01:22:41,833
wording because it does still say 26 stories. And I

1092
01:22:41,833 --> 01:22:43,593
know we've talked about the Moody center framework, and I

1093
01:22:43,593 --> 01:22:47,753
think, and why in some cases, it can go up

1094
01:22:47,753 --> 01:22:51,593
to 39 stories if there are the right amenities and

1095
01:22:51,593 --> 01:22:55,857
deport or preservations and things like that. Staff do a

1096
01:22:55,857 --> 01:22:58,017
really good job of explaining that later on in the

1097
01:22:58,017 --> 01:23:02,071
document. But again, I think it's important to do. It

1098
01:23:02,071 --> 01:23:07,423
upfront if people stop reading. And I'm also curious. We

1099
01:23:07,423 --> 01:23:12,704
do a lot of great work around biodiversity. And other

1100
01:23:12,704 --> 01:23:18,505
cities have biodiversity targets. And what? There are some guidance

1101
01:23:18,505 --> 01:23:21,585
around what that could look like in 2000 and 32,050.

1102
01:23:21,585 --> 01:23:27,014
So I'd love to explore that. On page 31. I

1103
01:23:27,014 --> 01:23:31,736
love this green and structure projects. And this was brought

1104
01:23:31,736 --> 01:23:34,336
forward originally by our finance department, so there's a lot

1105
01:23:34,336 --> 01:23:38,976
of cost. Savings and benefits to our infrastructure that actually

1106
01:23:38,976 --> 01:23:41,656
isn't really talked about in that introduction. So. I'd like

1107
01:23:41,656 --> 01:23:45,889
to see that personally. On page 49. We talk about

1108
01:23:45,889 --> 01:23:48,969
complete communities, but we don't talk about urban highlands. Urban

1109
01:23:48,969 --> 01:23:52,209
heat island mitigation, and I think that that's important as

1110
01:23:52,209 --> 01:24:00,379
well. On page 55 on climate. Housing. We do talk

1111
01:24:00,379 --> 01:24:05,508
about low energy. We don't talk about low energy cooling

1112
01:24:05,508 --> 01:24:08,948
or heating, which is something that we've all been advocating

1113
01:24:08,948 --> 01:24:12,348
for and trying to incorporate into new projects. And we

1114
01:24:12,348 --> 01:24:16,750
also have things like lBO surfaces. And exterior shading and

1115
01:24:16,750 --> 01:24:21,456
our sustainability checklist, but we don't really talk about. Thermal

1116
01:24:21,456 --> 01:24:25,736
comfort inside buildings, which from the heat, we know is

1117
01:24:25,736 --> 01:24:29,376
extremely important. So I think the impatible that would be

1118
01:24:29,376 --> 01:24:36,125
important. And as well. In page. I think it's 57.

1119
01:24:37,974 --> 01:24:44,358
We talk about? Visible. It talks about achieving non market

1120
01:24:44,358 --> 01:24:47,478
housing, which is really important, but I think it's important

1121
01:24:47,478 --> 01:24:51,325
to be explicit. That we are trying to, that we

1122
01:24:51,325 --> 01:24:55,097
have an inclusionary zoning policy. And my time is up.

1123
01:24:55,097 --> 01:25:00,605
Had more to say. But I'll leave it there. As

1124
01:25:00,605 --> 01:25:02,685
someone else noted earlier in the meeting, this is the

1125
01:25:02,685 --> 01:25:07,125
first conversation we all picked up our 370 page binders

1126
01:25:07,125 --> 01:25:09,925
last week, and I know we've all gone through it,

1127
01:25:09,925 --> 01:25:12,165
at least once, maybe twice, but are going to need

1128
01:25:12,165 --> 01:25:14,045
to go through it a third or a fourth time.

1129
01:25:16,014 --> 01:25:24,930
Marlotti, did you want to make any comments? Before you

1130
01:25:24,930 --> 01:25:27,170
start, Marilotti. I see Mr. Polly has her hand up.

1131
01:25:29,329 --> 01:25:34,193
Thank you. I just wanted to correct something. I misspoke.

1132
01:25:35,631 --> 01:25:38,631
In the 2025 engagement survey that we had in the

1133
01:25:38,631 --> 01:25:41,671
spring, we did have a question related to the community

1134
01:25:41,671 --> 01:25:46,545
vision where. We showed the community vision from 2023, the

1135
01:25:46,545 --> 01:25:51,213
one that we were still proposing for 2025. And we

1136
01:25:51,213 --> 01:25:56,835
asked for comments in relation to is anything missing? Yes.

1137
01:25:56,835 --> 01:25:58,355
Tell us what you'd like to see. So we did

1138
01:25:58,355 --> 01:26:02,747
receive. Feedback as part of the more recent engagement on

1139
01:26:02,747 --> 01:26:05,912
that proposed vision. All right. Thank you for that, Mr.

1140
01:26:05,912 --> 01:26:10,872
Polly Marlotti. Thank you. Yeah, I think. What councilor? Xrap

1141
01:26:10,872 --> 01:26:15,436
was getting at was. The fact that council has a

1142
01:26:15,436 --> 01:26:18,996
provided direction or input on any of this. This is

1143
01:26:18,996 --> 01:26:24,950
our first opportunity. To do that. I want to start

1144
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:28,877
off by. Actually thanking staff for the work that they

1145
01:26:28,877 --> 01:26:33,510
put in. This is an incredible amount of work. And

1146
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:40,150
the document? Is really well put together. It is. Extremely.

1147
01:26:40,150 --> 01:26:45,036
It flows nicely. The information. In there. The work that

1148
01:26:45,036 --> 01:26:48,832
went into that is just amazing and. I can't thank

1149
01:26:48,832 --> 01:26:51,232
staff enough. I know it was a lot of work,

1150
01:26:51,232 --> 01:26:54,152
and I know that they have been working on this

1151
01:26:54,152 --> 01:26:57,884
since 2020. Since I think towards the end of 2020

1152
01:26:57,884 --> 01:27:03,121
and consistently. I know that in 2024, we took a

1153
01:27:03,121 --> 01:27:07,433
pause. From public engagement. However, staff did not pause on

1154
01:27:07,433 --> 01:27:11,996
the OCP work. They continued to work on this. And

1155
01:27:11,996 --> 01:27:15,756
I will say that I agree with some of the

1156
01:27:15,756 --> 01:27:18,916
comments made earlier. In fact, I appreciate the comments that

1157
01:27:18,916 --> 01:27:21,556
councilor Lubic just brought up around some of the sort

1158
01:27:21,556 --> 01:27:26,174
of minutiae and some of the detailed. Areas that she'd

1159
01:27:26,174 --> 01:27:31,072
like to see, maybe strengthened a bit or perhaps. Having

1160
01:27:31,072 --> 01:27:33,392
some additions in that, and I agree with the chair.

1161
01:27:33,392 --> 01:27:36,818
We will have an opportunity to provide. That both tonight.

1162
01:27:38,623 --> 01:27:44,376
And at future meetings. So I think it's important. That

1163
01:27:44,376 --> 01:27:47,376
despite some of the previous comments that were made that

1164
01:27:47,376 --> 01:27:51,376
people understand that this document has incorporated input from the

1165
01:27:51,376 --> 01:27:59,996
community. Along with. The professional planners. And competent planners that

1166
01:27:59,996 --> 01:28:03,944
we have. They have put together a document that I

1167
01:28:03,944 --> 01:28:07,789
think we should be very proud of here tonight. I

1168
01:28:07,789 --> 01:28:13,801
appreciate that. There were some comments made. Earlier about. The

1169
01:28:13,801 --> 01:28:17,140
level of growth and the level of. Sort of the

1170
01:28:17,140 --> 01:28:19,380
height of towers and things like this and walls of

1171
01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:24,562
towers and. We need to understand that.

1172
01:28:32,271 --> 01:28:35,071
The document that is guiding this, the guidance framework that

1173
01:28:35,071 --> 01:28:37,671
we put together was put together for the purpose of

1174
01:28:37,671 --> 01:28:39,911
making sure that we are not creating a wall of

1175
01:28:39,911 --> 01:28:45,211
towers. That we are stepping buildings back that. We have

1176
01:28:45,211 --> 01:28:48,171
proper separation between towers, that there is a variance in

1177
01:28:48,171 --> 01:28:51,451
heights, and this is in an attempt to make sure

1178
01:28:51,451 --> 01:28:54,554
that. We're not going down the road of some of

1179
01:28:54,554 --> 01:28:59,101
our neighbors. And so I appreciate that there's a concern

1180
01:28:59,101 --> 01:29:01,741
about that, I really do. But I believe that we

1181
01:29:01,741 --> 01:29:04,141
have done what we needed to do in order to

1182
01:29:04,141 --> 01:29:11,965
prevent that from happening. The fact that. This plan is

1183
01:29:11,965 --> 01:29:14,365
now going to reflect some of the decisions that we've

1184
01:29:14,365 --> 01:29:18,775
already made as a council. Is a good thing. And

1185
01:29:18,775 --> 01:29:22,175
I agree with councilor Agtrap's comments around making sure that

1186
01:29:22,175 --> 01:29:24,975
we are very explicit. Or was that councilor lubic? I'm

1187
01:29:24,975 --> 01:29:28,495
not sure. Where we're talking about the heights of buildings.

1188
01:29:30,224 --> 01:29:31,784
And that staff is explaining it later on in the

1189
01:29:31,784 --> 01:29:33,544
document. But we do need to make sure that we

1190
01:29:33,544 --> 01:29:37,304
are very clear at the upfront of the document as

1191
01:29:37,304 --> 01:29:40,024
well. So in that section, I would suggest that we

1192
01:29:40,024 --> 01:29:46,047
add that clarity. I think that this document actually reflects

1193
01:29:46,047 --> 01:29:50,047
the community's vision and its goals around being a carbon

1194
01:29:50,047 --> 01:29:55,221
neutral community. A unique community with connected neighborhoods, a friendly,

1195
01:29:55,221 --> 01:29:59,938
walkable, healthy, green community. This isn't about the height of

1196
01:29:59,938 --> 01:30:03,666
towers. This is about what is the future vision. What

1197
01:30:03,666 --> 01:30:08,255
is the community vision? For what this community is going

1198
01:30:08,255 --> 01:30:10,575
to look like 20 years from now, 30 years from

1199
01:30:10,575 --> 01:30:13,135
now, and I think that this does a good job

1200
01:30:13,135 --> 01:30:17,337
of putting into context. All of the things that are

1201
01:30:17,337 --> 01:30:22,847
important to this community. Like. A commitment to the arts

1202
01:30:22,847 --> 01:30:27,549
and culture and social connectedness. And a mutual understanding and

1203
01:30:27,549 --> 01:30:32,407
place. Making goal. That we can then place that as

1204
01:30:32,407 --> 01:30:35,567
parameters around the growth that we're going to take. That

1205
01:30:35,567 --> 01:30:38,287
we're going to take on. We are taking on growth.

1206
01:30:38,287 --> 01:30:40,567
There is no question about it. It's how we do

1207
01:30:40,567 --> 01:30:42,567
it that matters. And this is going to lay out.

1208
01:30:44,345 --> 01:30:48,108
The plan for. How we grow as a community. So

1209
01:30:48,108 --> 01:30:52,638
I support this plan. With the exception of some little

1210
01:30:52,638 --> 01:30:55,038
areas that I think we need to get more clarity

1211
01:30:55,038 --> 01:30:58,678
on, I'd like to ask Ms. De Pali a question

1212
01:30:58,678 --> 01:31:03,672
around that was raised by Councilor Knowles. Earlier around. The

1213
01:31:03,672 --> 01:31:09,308
question around duty, trunk and why staff? Has. Treated one

1214
01:31:09,308 --> 01:31:14,220
side of duty trunk different than the other. Mr. Polly.

1215
01:31:21,690 --> 01:31:27,817
Unfortunately. I think there was a recognition also that a

1216
01:31:27,817 --> 01:31:33,542
Toa framework. Applies. Almost equally to the north and south.

1217
01:31:35,364 --> 01:31:42,865
And so the land use designations. That we developed in

1218
01:31:42,865 --> 01:31:50,879
2023 remained knowing. That in some cases, Applications could come

1219
01:31:50,879 --> 01:31:56,370
forward for extra density. So the changes weren't made in

1220
01:31:56,370 --> 01:32:01,113
that respect to align with that. It was in no

1221
01:32:01,113 --> 01:32:07,119
way meant to treat them differently. Because of that recognition

1222
01:32:07,119 --> 01:32:13,240
that there was the Toa overlay, that. Applied. I'll take

1223
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,480
a look at the exact letter that came forward to

1224
01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:19,120
better understand, I think. Because I think there's some nuance

1225
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,520
in there that I'm missing, and so. I'd like to

1226
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,720
take some time. Yeah. And I think there may be

1227
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,760
an opportunity to. Alleviate some of the concerns that were

1228
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:31,036
raised. By the property owners on that side just to

1229
01:32:31,036 --> 01:32:36,229
provide more clarity to them. But I appreciate that answer.

1230
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:38,189
I think notwithstanding the fact that we are going to

1231
01:32:38,189 --> 01:32:41,470
have a conversation. I think it's the next item on

1232
01:32:41,470 --> 01:32:49,555
this agenda, or. In this committee. About potentially having another

1233
01:32:49,555 --> 01:32:57,006
opportunity. To invite the community in. For more input. Your

1234
01:32:57,006 --> 01:33:05,101
time is out there. I'm just. Putting a bow on

1235
01:33:05,101 --> 01:33:10,501
it. I think that we will have an opportunity. Later

1236
01:33:10,501 --> 01:33:13,021
to have more conversation about this. So I appreciate that.

1237
01:33:13,021 --> 01:33:15,981
Thank you. Chair. Thank you. I want to thank my

1238
01:33:15,981 --> 01:33:19,861
colleagues for the breadth of commentary. I think everybody was

1239
01:33:19,861 --> 01:33:22,821
looking at this through different lenses, and I really appreciate

1240
01:33:22,821 --> 01:33:25,501
it. And I'm going to maybe look at this from

1241
01:33:25,501 --> 01:33:29,920
different than some of my colleagues. First of all, This

1242
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,160
is a long term visioning document, what we approved today.

1243
01:33:34,841 --> 01:33:37,681
Is going to be reviewed and looked at every five

1244
01:33:37,681 --> 01:33:41,365
years, every seven years. Moving on to the rest of

1245
01:33:41,365 --> 01:33:44,245
Port Moody's history. Some of us who've been sitting at

1246
01:33:44,245 --> 01:33:47,645
this table and have seen a number of ocps recognize

1247
01:33:47,645 --> 01:33:52,364
that they will change. As we go through, as different

1248
01:33:52,364 --> 01:33:56,570
things in our society change, I want to say. I

1249
01:33:56,570 --> 01:33:59,970
think staff did an exceptional job, and I want to

1250
01:33:59,970 --> 01:34:04,655
invite people to go look at, engage. Port Moody. Literally

1251
01:34:04,655 --> 01:34:08,855
thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of work has

1252
01:34:08,855 --> 01:34:12,535
gone into this document. Well, the document itself is only

1253
01:34:12,535 --> 01:34:17,655
about 200 pages, supported by another 200 pages of appendices

1254
01:34:17,655 --> 01:34:23,139
reading through the binder. I've identified over two dozen reports

1255
01:34:23,139 --> 01:34:26,459
and strategies that our community has been a part of.

1256
01:34:27,763 --> 01:34:30,763
Staff have been listening to our residents. Council has been

1257
01:34:30,763 --> 01:34:34,443
listening to those. And I look at climate action plan,

1258
01:34:34,443 --> 01:34:38,003
urban forest, arts and culture master plan, climate ready homes

1259
01:34:38,003 --> 01:34:40,163
and building plan. I'm not going to go through the

1260
01:34:40,163 --> 01:34:43,483
list of two dozen, but this is an incredibly well

1261
01:34:43,483 --> 01:34:49,093
informed document. And staff. Has been listening and hearing and

1262
01:34:49,093 --> 01:34:53,813
regularly providing counsel back with what we heard reports and

1263
01:34:53,813 --> 01:34:57,133
engaged port moody. Any resident can look at every single

1264
01:34:57,133 --> 01:35:02,601
piece of paper, every report. Every engagement summary, announce the

1265
01:35:02,601 --> 01:35:05,921
opportunity to look at every single piece of input that

1266
01:35:05,921 --> 01:35:12,136
council is having. At this point. Over 4000 participants recognizing

1267
01:35:12,136 --> 01:35:15,576
some of those might be duplicate, with some people repeatedly

1268
01:35:15,576 --> 01:35:23,883
participating over 4000 pieces of input. The Lounst OCP had

1269
01:35:23,883 --> 01:35:27,043
just over 1000. So I think there are more people

1270
01:35:27,043 --> 01:35:31,189
that are interested. I love the fact that the delay

1271
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:35,709
that we've had between 2023 and 2025 has allowed staff

1272
01:35:35,709 --> 01:35:41,225
to bring back. Things. That are really important. There's a

1273
01:35:41,225 --> 01:35:43,945
much more stronger climate action focus than there was two

1274
01:35:43,945 --> 01:35:49,353
years ago. We've introduced the new provincial legislation. We've given

1275
01:35:49,353 --> 01:35:54,559
a strong port Moody identity. It's worth repeating. This is

1276
01:35:54,559 --> 01:35:57,879
a community vision, not a council vision. This has been

1277
01:35:57,879 --> 01:36:01,119
worked. On by two separate councils to get to this

1278
01:36:01,119 --> 01:36:06,200
point. And I also want to see, I think it's

1279
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:11,198
really important what's new and different. And greater importance in

1280
01:36:11,198 --> 01:36:16,198
this version is housing action, climate action, and action on

1281
01:36:16,198 --> 01:36:21,426
truth and reconciliation, which I think is quite important. I

1282
01:36:21,426 --> 01:36:27,410
like the changes to Murray Street. I'm so thrilled to

1283
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:32,177
be rolling out this cultural node later this evening. In

1284
01:36:32,177 --> 01:36:35,057
another meeting that we're having. I think this council is

1285
01:36:35,057 --> 01:36:39,179
making some bold decisions that we committed to. Two and

1286
01:36:39,179 --> 01:36:43,066
a half years ago. I, from my count, see that

1287
01:36:43,066 --> 01:36:48,186
there's four, potentially five more opportunities for the public to

1288
01:36:48,186 --> 01:36:51,146
weigh in. We can all be reached at council at

1289
01:36:51,146 --> 01:36:57,036
Portmoody, Ca. My understanding is the Port Moody engage page

1290
01:36:57,036 --> 01:37:00,891
on the official community plan. Is going to be. I

1291
01:37:00,891 --> 01:37:02,651
think it was last updated last week. It's going to

1292
01:37:02,651 --> 01:37:06,611
be a living revolving opportunity. We have first and second

1293
01:37:06,611 --> 01:37:09,491
readings. We have land use. We have a public hearing.

1294
01:37:11,155 --> 01:37:16,429
And. We might have differing views. But we're all here.

1295
01:37:16,429 --> 01:37:19,309
We all come to this table to do our very

1296
01:37:19,309 --> 01:37:22,949
best in representing what we believe are the best interests

1297
01:37:22,949 --> 01:37:26,229
of our residents and of our community, not just looking

1298
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:29,029
at five years ahead, but looking at ten, looking at

1299
01:37:29,029 --> 01:37:32,149
15, looking at 20, and I think this is an

1300
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:35,389
amazing first step, and I really want to hear from.

1301
01:37:35,921 --> 01:37:40,201
Residents what they like or don't like about the official

1302
01:37:40,201 --> 01:37:43,561
community plan, and I have to say it is such

1303
01:37:43,561 --> 01:37:48,985
an exceptional document. And I really dug down in it,

1304
01:37:48,985 --> 01:37:51,105
but I'm going to have to dig down again. And

1305
01:37:51,105 --> 01:37:54,425
again. And I think all of us have that opportunity

1306
01:37:54,425 --> 01:37:56,305
to bring back some of the things that we would

1307
01:37:56,305 --> 01:37:59,225
like to see tweaked or made different, and whether that's

1308
01:37:59,225 --> 01:38:02,905
by resolution or not? Certainly I heard some ideas from

1309
01:38:02,905 --> 01:38:06,905
councilor lubic. I heard some ideas. From councilor Nols. So,

1310
01:38:06,905 --> 01:38:15,076
again. It's now in council's hands. Staff have brought it

1311
01:38:15,076 --> 01:38:18,476
this far, and it's a very exciting time for council

1312
01:38:18,476 --> 01:38:22,756
in our community, and my time is up, so thank

1313
01:38:22,756 --> 01:38:27,387
you. Now, where do we go from here? We have

1314
01:38:27,387 --> 01:38:33,147
a staff recommendation if someone would entertain moving and seconding

1315
01:38:33,147 --> 01:38:37,994
it. I see that moved and I see that seconded.

1316
01:38:40,801 --> 01:38:42,681
Mayor Lottie, that was just to move and second it.

1317
01:38:42,681 --> 01:38:46,521
Okay, thank you. Everybody's had a full five minutes to

1318
01:38:46,521 --> 01:38:48,681
speak on this, so I'm going to call the question

1319
01:38:48,681 --> 01:38:58,521
all in favor. Opposed. Councilor Lebecci is opposed. Now asking

1320
01:38:58,521 --> 01:39:02,521
committee members and staff, is this where we want to

1321
01:39:02,521 --> 01:39:05,761
take a dinner break prior to jumping into the next

1322
01:39:05,761 --> 01:39:09,167
item. I think that's what it showed. On the. Let

1323
01:39:09,167 --> 01:39:13,500
me see the meeting summary. Hang on here. Hang on.

1324
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:18,789
Everyone has so many screens open. Yes, we are scheduled

1325
01:39:18,789 --> 01:39:25,036
for. A 30 minutes dinner break at this time. That

1326
01:39:25,036 --> 01:39:31,977
is correct, Ms. Lamb. Yes, chairperson. Sorry, can I interrupt?

1327
01:39:31,977 --> 01:39:36,297
Chair? Yes, counselor. Sorry, I thought that I saw that

1328
01:39:36,297 --> 01:39:40,904
the dinner. Break was at 720. And it was based

1329
01:39:40,904 --> 01:39:50,388
on. The conclusion of item 4.2 docp. Okay. Thank you.

1330
01:39:50,388 --> 01:39:53,588
Okay, Ms. Lamb, can you confirm for us what would

1331
01:39:53,588 --> 01:39:59,224
30 minutes be? Thank you, chairperson. If council wishes to

1332
01:39:59,224 --> 01:40:01,104
take their dinner break now, it is at the willow

1333
01:40:01,104 --> 01:40:06,375
council. We could reconvene at 710. Lottie. I see your

1334
01:40:06,375 --> 01:40:13,764
hand up again. Yeah. I think that perhaps, maybe the

1335
01:40:13,764 --> 01:40:19,617
timing. Was a suggested time by staff, but it sounds

1336
01:40:19,617 --> 01:40:23,417
like maybe at least one counselor has their dinner. Plan

1337
01:40:23,417 --> 01:40:28,389
for 720 based on that timing and. If council wants

1338
01:40:28,389 --> 01:40:33,857
continue on with 4.3. We have two more items left

1339
01:40:33,857 --> 01:40:39,495
on the city initiatives and planning committee agenda. Thought stood.

1340
01:40:39,495 --> 01:40:41,575
Do people want to continue on thumbs up or take

1341
01:40:41,575 --> 01:40:44,574
a break? May I suggest that we do maybe one

1342
01:40:44,574 --> 01:40:48,494
more item and then see where we are? Chair, madam?

1343
01:40:48,494 --> 01:40:52,837
Chair. Councilor Lubik, you have your hand up. You just

1344
01:40:52,837 --> 01:40:55,967
asked for a thumbs up. I'm happy to continue for

1345
01:40:55,967 --> 01:41:00,207
a bit. Okay, we're going to continue with item. 4.3.

1346
01:41:02,050 --> 01:41:05,850
This is a referral from a recent regular council meeting.

1347
01:41:07,205 --> 01:41:13,629
This is a motion that Councilor Nuberecki bought forward. We

1348
01:41:13,629 --> 01:41:18,329
have. The motion. Councilor Lebrechi, you have the floor. Thank

1349
01:41:18,329 --> 01:41:22,801
you. So I guess we'll go ahead and move the

1350
01:41:22,801 --> 01:41:28,233
motion. Talk about it. It's seconded on the tape on

1351
01:41:28,233 --> 01:41:31,513
the table for discussion. Thank you, council Lubik. So I

1352
01:41:31,513 --> 01:41:33,833
just want to highlight while we get into this. We

1353
01:41:33,833 --> 01:41:36,233
just had five minutes, many people ran out of their

1354
01:41:36,233 --> 01:41:39,753
five minutes. As of now, what we just passed combined

1355
01:41:39,753 --> 01:41:41,793
first and second. Reading, by the way. I flagged that

1356
01:41:41,793 --> 01:41:43,993
no one changed it. So we have one more meeting.

1357
01:41:43,993 --> 01:41:46,073
Coming up, first and second reading combined, that will be.

1358
01:41:47,094 --> 01:41:49,854
Five more minutes each, followed by a public hearing. With

1359
01:41:49,854 --> 01:41:52,374
five more minutes each. They give those ten. More minutes

1360
01:41:52,374 --> 01:41:55,654
each on the most important document working on for five

1361
01:41:55,654 --> 01:41:58,578
years. Just throwing that out there. That, that's where it

1362
01:41:58,578 --> 01:42:02,775
sits today, as we're having this town hall conversation. Which

1363
01:42:02,775 --> 01:42:04,415
I don't really have much more to say because this

1364
01:42:04,415 --> 01:42:08,815
is the fourth time we've discussed it. 's now really

1365
01:42:08,815 --> 01:42:11,855
up to the rest of council to decide where they

1366
01:42:11,855 --> 01:42:16,135
stand on this. Although when I hear previous comments just

1367
01:42:16,135 --> 01:42:18,895
in previous item, it's very interesting to have that conversation.

1368
01:42:18,895 --> 01:42:22,695
First. It feels pretty clear where everyone seems to stand,

1369
01:42:22,695 --> 01:42:25,695
because when you start to discuss the smallest of minutia.

1370
01:42:27,322 --> 01:42:31,052
Minutiae. I really do feel we're missing the larger point

1371
01:42:31,052 --> 01:42:34,896
here of what we've heard from the community around. Their

1372
01:42:34,896 --> 01:42:39,421
much bigger and much broader concerns. But saying all that.

1373
01:42:41,506 --> 01:42:43,626
It's an important aspect of good governments that we give

1374
01:42:43,626 --> 01:42:46,386
the community an open mic opportunity. To give us last

1375
01:42:46,386 --> 01:42:50,186
feedback on this actual plan, which we've just received in

1376
01:42:50,186 --> 01:42:53,506
its entirety. At least in one piece of paper form

1377
01:42:53,506 --> 01:42:59,459
tonight. Because it represents our resident's future. And in my

1378
01:42:59,459 --> 01:43:01,499
mind, it's just such a given that that should happen

1379
01:43:01,499 --> 01:43:05,099
in unrestricted way. And it's what I continue advocate for,

1380
01:43:05,099 --> 01:43:07,419
what I've been advocating for, for what the last year,

1381
01:43:07,419 --> 01:43:09,779
I think, is laid out in this motion very clearly.

1382
01:43:09,779 --> 01:43:11,539
If a counselor has a problem with any of the

1383
01:43:11,539 --> 01:43:15,747
bowls laid out in the motion. I think in the

1384
01:43:15,747 --> 01:43:17,987
community we really like to know what exactly they are

1385
01:43:17,987 --> 01:43:21,461
because it's how we've done it for decades. Quite successfully.

1386
01:43:22,951 --> 01:43:25,751
I will share though, especially just listening to the previous

1387
01:43:25,751 --> 01:43:29,351
conversation about our resident. Listening to the previous conversation. My

1388
01:43:29,351 --> 01:43:33,591
fear is the public is not seeing their feedback received

1389
01:43:33,591 --> 01:43:36,471
that they've sent in. This draft of the OCP, and

1390
01:43:36,471 --> 01:43:39,071
again, I'll refer to the surveys that were by far

1391
01:43:39,071 --> 01:43:43,469
the largest engagement mechanism of this OCP. By many, many

1392
01:43:43,469 --> 01:43:50,568
magnitudes of participation. We're talking like over 1000 respondents or

1393
01:43:50,568 --> 01:43:54,048
more, and 50 people showed up to some of our

1394
01:43:54,048 --> 01:43:57,328
engagement events. That's the orders of magnitude different that we're

1395
01:43:57,328 --> 01:44:00,328
talking about, but. What? I'm not seeing those survey results,

1396
01:44:00,328 --> 01:44:02,488
and I can't imagine the community when they read it.

1397
01:44:02,488 --> 01:44:05,568
Unless I'm missing them somewhere. Are seeing the big picture

1398
01:44:05,568 --> 01:44:09,513
survey results. So that's my theory. My theory is that

1399
01:44:09,513 --> 01:44:11,233
maybe we hold this and not a lot. Of people

1400
01:44:11,233 --> 01:44:13,793
show up again because they don't think their voices matter

1401
01:44:13,793 --> 01:44:16,073
and they just feel will be another exercise in being

1402
01:44:16,073 --> 01:44:21,269
ignored. But you know what? Having said all that, I'm

1403
01:44:21,269 --> 01:44:24,629
always going to advocate for more public engagement. Always. I

1404
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:27,749
think that this is the right thing to do. And

1405
01:44:27,749 --> 01:44:30,669
it's not too late for us to do things differently,

1406
01:44:30,669 --> 01:44:34,029
given all that I've said. Maybe we can actually go

1407
01:44:34,029 --> 01:44:37,789
into this differently, add a committee meeting. In so that

1408
01:44:37,789 --> 01:44:40,109
we can have a town hall and it actually comes

1409
01:44:40,109 --> 01:44:42,912
back. It's the only thing on the agenda. And we

1410
01:44:42,912 --> 01:44:45,072
sit here as long as it takes. To walk through

1411
01:44:45,072 --> 01:44:47,952
this document and maybe we extend our time to ten

1412
01:44:47,952 --> 01:44:51,192
minutes each or more. I don't know so that we

1413
01:44:51,192 --> 01:44:53,912
can actually have the space we need to get this

1414
01:44:53,912 --> 01:44:57,432
document. Maybe not to exactly where I want to see

1415
01:44:57,432 --> 01:45:00,712
it, but just somewhere that better represents the balance. Than.

1416
01:45:01,574 --> 01:45:03,902
What we're seeing right now. So I have nothing more

1417
01:45:03,902 --> 01:45:07,142
to say about this. It's with council now to hopefully

1418
01:45:07,142 --> 01:45:09,382
move. Forward with the promised town hall to our community.

1419
01:45:11,390 --> 01:45:18,147
Thank you, councilor. Is that it? Thank you, Marlatti. Thanks.

1420
01:45:18,147 --> 01:45:20,787
I'm going to start off by. I put a lot

1421
01:45:20,787 --> 01:45:23,787
of thought into the councilor's motion, and I'm going to

1422
01:45:23,787 --> 01:45:26,227
start off by. Saying that I actually think it's a

1423
01:45:26,227 --> 01:45:31,548
good idea. To provide one more opportunity. Outside of the

1424
01:45:31,548 --> 01:45:37,477
process of the public hearing. To provide input. I want

1425
01:45:37,477 --> 01:45:40,516
to say that. We want to be as inclusive as

1426
01:45:40,516 --> 01:45:49,299
possible. I think that. There is value in looking at

1427
01:45:49,299 --> 01:45:51,939
whether or not a virtual meeting might be better than

1428
01:45:51,939 --> 01:45:55,419
an in person meeting given, but that's something council can

1429
01:45:55,419 --> 01:46:03,529
decide. My suggestion would be that. We would. Actually have

1430
01:46:03,529 --> 01:46:06,818
some ideas around this. And I think maybe setting up

1431
01:46:06,818 --> 01:46:11,058
a committee, sort of a committee meeting where the public

1432
01:46:11,058 --> 01:46:15,478
can attend. In person. To see similar to how we

1433
01:46:15,478 --> 01:46:18,478
do our committees already and then have an opportunity for

1434
01:46:18,478 --> 01:46:23,996
the public. To provide input if they choose. I don't

1435
01:46:23,996 --> 01:46:26,516
think that we should be doing this after first reading

1436
01:46:26,516 --> 01:46:28,156
and before second reading. I think we should be doing

1437
01:46:28,156 --> 01:46:31,796
it on the draft before it gets sort of sent

1438
01:46:31,796 --> 01:46:37,485
to staff. For BYLAW. For them to create the bylaws.

1439
01:46:37,485 --> 01:46:42,065
And in fact, Tonight. We'll get some input. We've already

1440
01:46:42,065 --> 01:46:45,265
received some input and given it to. Staff, then we'll

1441
01:46:45,265 --> 01:46:50,998
have an opportunity. Following that to give any changes to

1442
01:46:50,998 --> 01:46:55,862
the draft. To be then written into the bylaw. So

1443
01:46:55,862 --> 01:47:01,675
if the councilor's motion is not. Successful. Tonight. I'll have

1444
01:47:01,675 --> 01:47:04,618
an alternate motion, I think. I'll think about it right

1445
01:47:04,618 --> 01:47:07,658
now and put something together that reflects a process that

1446
01:47:07,658 --> 01:47:13,460
I've just sort of talked about. And I suggest. If

1447
01:47:13,460 --> 01:47:18,516
we have an opportunity after. I will share that with

1448
01:47:18,516 --> 01:47:21,596
you. Thank you, mayor. Councilor Knowles, followed by Councilor Lubic.

1449
01:47:23,657 --> 01:47:30,875
Thank you. So. Yeah, I appreciate that. Mirlatti. Also. Well,

1450
01:47:30,875 --> 01:47:35,032
I'm not opposed to another engagement opportunity at all. Really

1451
01:47:35,032 --> 01:47:37,952
at all. I think it's important that, for me, it's

1452
01:47:37,952 --> 01:47:39,872
important that we may not support any motion that's going

1453
01:47:39,872 --> 01:47:43,232
to delay the delivery of our OCP and. Further that

1454
01:47:43,232 --> 01:47:46,192
we not spend any more money on this, and I've

1455
01:47:46,192 --> 01:47:48,872
made that clear. The last time we spoke about this.

1456
01:47:48,872 --> 01:47:51,552
That's important to me and that we not put too

1457
01:47:51,552 --> 01:47:56,690
much pressure. Further work on our staff because they've been

1458
01:47:56,690 --> 01:47:59,957
doing a lot. They are doing a lot. And let's

1459
01:47:59,957 --> 01:48:03,562
be clear, they've already done this work. And by that

1460
01:48:03,562 --> 01:48:06,962
I mean staff. Completed the town hall process for the

1461
01:48:06,962 --> 01:48:08,762
OCP that we asked. Them to do. They did the

1462
01:48:08,762 --> 01:48:11,162
work. They provided an exhaustive and robust town hall for

1463
01:48:11,162 --> 01:48:15,964
our community. And we shouldn't be asking them to redo

1464
01:48:15,964 --> 01:48:20,425
the entire process. The request. Of just one counselor who

1465
01:48:20,425 --> 01:48:22,945
thinks that if we redo it using her parameters, that

1466
01:48:22,945 --> 01:48:25,585
the results will somehow be different because there's no guarantee

1467
01:48:25,585 --> 01:48:28,839
that that's the case. So the sheer number of projects

1468
01:48:28,839 --> 01:48:31,119
being discussed tonight, as these meetings, should tell you how

1469
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:33,079
much work in our staff has to get on with.

1470
01:48:33,079 --> 01:48:35,639
So again, while I'm not necessarily pulled to a council

1471
01:48:35,639 --> 01:48:39,833
led meeting. I would be looking for an alternative to

1472
01:48:39,833 --> 01:48:43,113
the motion that's on the floor that doesn't. Leave residents

1473
01:48:43,113 --> 01:48:48,116
who previously contributed their feedback. To the conversation, wondering why

1474
01:48:48,116 --> 01:48:51,348
their original input wasn't good enough. And whether it was

1475
01:48:51,348 --> 01:48:53,748
hurt. And I can tell you from my perspective, it

1476
01:48:53,748 --> 01:48:56,308
was heard. I did. Hear them. We heard from people

1477
01:48:56,308 --> 01:49:00,188
throughout the community with varying opinions, preferences, priorities as appropriate.

1478
01:49:01,821 --> 01:49:02,941
And I don't know if I'm the only one, but

1479
01:49:02,941 --> 01:49:05,141
it feels like there's some sort of insinuation here. That

1480
01:49:05,141 --> 01:49:07,901
staff didn't do a good enough job with the OCP

1481
01:49:07,901 --> 01:49:12,112
town hall, and I'm not okay with that. The town

1482
01:49:12,112 --> 01:49:16,552
hall that took place offered opportunities for discussion, questions, answers.

1483
01:49:16,552 --> 01:49:21,072
We had interactive tables. We had pollster boards, review of

1484
01:49:21,072 --> 01:49:25,561
concepts of proposals, interactive opportunities. So, yeah, I'm happy to

1485
01:49:25,561 --> 01:49:28,041
hear from my colleagues on what we can do here,

1486
01:49:28,041 --> 01:49:33,630
but. This motion as presented. With designed invitations and detailed

1487
01:49:33,630 --> 01:49:36,150
extra work of staff, including miniting. I don't think it's

1488
01:49:36,150 --> 01:49:40,569
appropriate. So I agree with. What marriage has said. I

1489
01:49:40,569 --> 01:49:43,289
think any additional engagement opportunity should be online only. That

1490
01:49:43,289 --> 01:49:48,409
is the most inclusive format. And given that staff have

1491
01:49:48,409 --> 01:49:52,960
already done this work, This should be council led, and

1492
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,600
I guess I'll leave it there. Looking forward to see

1493
01:49:55,600 --> 01:50:00,480
how this goes. Thanks. Thank you. Councilor. Councilor lubic. Thank

1494
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:05,323
you very much. I'm also supportive. Maybe not the proposed

1495
01:50:05,323 --> 01:50:09,563
format, but I'm supportive of doing another. Engagement session. I

1496
01:50:09,563 --> 01:50:12,403
think I told council the story before of meeting a

1497
01:50:12,403 --> 01:50:18,344
mayor from somewhere in the state, Colorado, I think. And

1498
01:50:18,344 --> 01:50:21,824
he said that when they did their community engagement on

1499
01:50:21,824 --> 01:50:27,777
their very different community plan, They did social engagement and

1500
01:50:27,777 --> 01:50:31,924
quality engagement, but by the end. Everyone was like, okay,

1501
01:50:31,924 --> 01:50:35,284
well, maybe it's not exactly what I wanted, but I

1502
01:50:35,284 --> 01:50:39,204
see where my feedback was incorporated. I understand where my

1503
01:50:39,204 --> 01:50:42,404
goals are reflected, even if it doesn't look exactly what

1504
01:50:42,404 --> 01:50:45,564
I said. So I think it's any opportunity we have

1505
01:50:45,564 --> 01:50:51,356
to engage and. To hear from people and also. Hopeful

1506
01:50:51,356 --> 01:50:56,856
with clarity is really important. I do think this is

1507
01:50:56,856 --> 01:51:02,085
a council priority, this OCP is. So I think. If

1508
01:51:02,085 --> 01:51:04,565
we have our council contingency fund, if there's extra money

1509
01:51:04,565 --> 01:51:07,943
we need to. Spend. Hopefully not a lot, but if

1510
01:51:07,943 --> 01:51:11,301
there's extra money. Spend. I think that that is an

1511
01:51:11,301 --> 01:51:15,638
option. And I think it's important to also make sure

1512
01:51:15,638 --> 01:51:20,670
that when we think about this, we think about. Trying

1513
01:51:20,670 --> 01:51:25,286
to find ways to invite diverse voices in. Obviously, we

1514
01:51:25,286 --> 01:51:28,843
talked about this a little bit already. But this has

1515
01:51:28,843 --> 01:51:31,483
been a very long engagement process, so I'd actually love

1516
01:51:31,483 --> 01:51:35,003
to hear feedback. On the goals that we heard before

1517
01:51:35,003 --> 01:51:38,963
and also. Are we meeting them now? Are the goal

1518
01:51:38,963 --> 01:51:41,913
still the same? And I hope that there's ways that

1519
01:51:41,913 --> 01:51:46,157
council can also ask questions. To the people who come

1520
01:51:46,157 --> 01:51:48,317
up to try to understand. Obviously, people won't have to

1521
01:51:48,317 --> 01:51:53,062
answer. What they want to say, and that's great, too,

1522
01:51:53,062 --> 01:51:55,942
as well as getting fees specifically that on the sections

1523
01:51:55,942 --> 01:52:01,151
that are important. At the. Ocp. I would love to

1524
01:52:01,151 --> 01:52:05,283
see it be in person, to be honest. I appreciate

1525
01:52:05,283 --> 01:52:08,843
where folks are coming from. Inclusivity online at the same

1526
01:52:08,843 --> 01:52:12,416
time. Looking at some of the engagements we've had online

1527
01:52:12,416 --> 01:52:14,896
in the past, the numbers are not as good as

1528
01:52:14,896 --> 01:52:17,576
the ones in person, unless we have other ways of

1529
01:52:17,576 --> 01:52:20,496
brought people in. So I think in person would be

1530
01:52:20,496 --> 01:52:23,536
great. I also think again. Council contingency fund if we

1531
01:52:23,536 --> 01:52:25,976
want. To bring food that helps people. It also puts

1532
01:52:25,976 --> 01:52:30,983
them in better moods and tend to be more. Open

1533
01:52:30,983 --> 01:52:35,034
to people's thoughts when we're happy and not happy. So

1534
01:52:35,034 --> 01:52:37,394
I think that's where I'm at. I'm happy to hear

1535
01:52:37,394 --> 01:52:40,594
about what a different format would look like. But I

1536
01:52:40,594 --> 01:52:43,354
think that those are some of the things that are

1537
01:52:43,354 --> 01:52:47,274
important. And I also think the introduction to a town

1538
01:52:47,274 --> 01:52:52,208
hall. What Mr. Paulian staff have presented tonight, as well

1539
01:52:52,208 --> 01:52:53,768
as what was in the report about what? Are the

1540
01:52:53,768 --> 01:52:59,398
changes? Really helped set the stage. For what? The changes

1541
01:52:59,398 --> 01:53:04,746
in associate. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor. Councilor. Ed. Tara,

1542
01:53:04,746 --> 01:53:09,260
do you want to jump in here? I have nothing

1543
01:53:09,260 --> 01:53:14,768
really extra to add to whatever. I just wanted to

1544
01:53:14,768 --> 01:53:19,166
make sure you had that opportunity. I'm quite supportive of

1545
01:53:19,166 --> 01:53:24,046
having another engagement opportunity. Our staff. We heard earlier on

1546
01:53:24,046 --> 01:53:31,625
the previous item 17 engagement opportunities with 4000 individual. Interactions.

1547
01:53:31,625 --> 01:53:35,403
That's huge. And I see a survey, I see a

1548
01:53:35,403 --> 01:53:40,946
walking tour. As all unique opportunities and. I treat them

1549
01:53:40,946 --> 01:53:44,786
all as different pieces in a larger jigsaw puzzle. I

1550
01:53:44,786 --> 01:53:48,146
don't. See one as being more important than all of

1551
01:53:48,146 --> 01:53:52,186
the others. I think staff have done an exceptional job

1552
01:53:52,186 --> 01:53:55,106
to. Now, I agree with the mayor that I think

1553
01:53:55,106 --> 01:53:58,506
if we were to have this additional session before first

1554
01:53:58,506 --> 01:54:01,751
reading. It really does send that message. That we are

1555
01:54:01,751 --> 01:54:06,482
opening. We are open to listening and making changes. Before

1556
01:54:06,482 --> 01:54:08,962
the OCP would come back for a first reading. I

1557
01:54:08,962 --> 01:54:16,166
think that makes sense. I'm wondering. We're trying to make

1558
01:54:16,166 --> 01:54:19,646
this. The recommendations seem to be quite formal, and I

1559
01:54:19,646 --> 01:54:23,597
wonder if. There's an opportunity. To provide a more casual

1560
01:54:23,597 --> 01:54:28,609
opportunity for our residents and I don't know. What that

1561
01:54:28,609 --> 01:54:31,809
would look like. I think one engagement we have where

1562
01:54:31,809 --> 01:54:35,369
council was sitting on the steps. Of the stage, and

1563
01:54:35,369 --> 01:54:38,129
it was with youth, and it just removed sort of

1564
01:54:38,129 --> 01:54:44,751
the barriers that existed. Yeah. I'm not fussed by this

1565
01:54:44,751 --> 01:54:46,431
at all. The only thing that does fuss me is.

1566
01:54:46,431 --> 01:54:52,713
This designed invitation. We've done design invitations for Golden Spike

1567
01:54:52,713 --> 01:54:58,113
Awards, and I worry about doing something so exceptional. Just

1568
01:54:58,113 --> 01:55:00,953
for this one session. I mean, if we got 1200

1569
01:55:00,953 --> 01:55:03,993
responses to a survey that was part of the engagement.

1570
01:55:05,514 --> 01:55:09,819
Without a special invitation. I'm sure we can drum up

1571
01:55:09,819 --> 01:55:14,937
support as well. So I'm open to hearing. Any amendments.

1572
01:55:16,653 --> 01:55:20,934
If need be. I can certainly move the amendment. That

1573
01:55:20,934 --> 01:55:24,294
the council town hall on the OCP be scheduled prior

1574
01:55:24,294 --> 01:55:30,878
to first reading. Amending that. First. That. I see a

1575
01:55:30,878 --> 01:55:36,780
seconder for that. Amy has seconded that. Any discussion on

1576
01:55:36,780 --> 01:55:41,380
having it before first reading or after first reading. Okay,

1577
01:55:41,380 --> 01:55:43,660
I'm going to. Call the question on the amendment. All

1578
01:55:43,660 --> 01:55:51,411
in favor of having this before first reading? Against. That

1579
01:55:51,411 --> 01:55:55,200
passes. Thank you, everybody. Mary Lauderda, you had indicated you

1580
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:59,704
might have some other changes. Marlotti, you've got the floor.

1581
01:56:03,722 --> 01:56:08,815
No, I have an alternate motion. I think that. I'm

1582
01:56:08,815 --> 01:56:12,897
not interested in wordsmithing. I have an ultimate motion is

1583
01:56:12,897 --> 01:56:15,617
if this motion does not pass, I will have an

1584
01:56:15,617 --> 01:56:23,959
alternate motion. Okay, I see other hands up. Okay, we've

1585
01:56:23,959 --> 01:56:26,039
got an amended motion before us. I'm going to call

1586
01:56:26,039 --> 01:56:34,209
the question. On it. All in favor? Against. That is

1587
01:56:34,209 --> 01:56:43,128
defeated with three people. So. Apologies. Chairperson. I saw a

1588
01:56:43,128 --> 01:56:47,128
delay of councilor lubic. Was it Councilor Lubic Kumar Lottie?

1589
01:56:47,128 --> 01:56:52,058
Councilor Knowles, Councilor Agtrap, opposed? That is my reading of

1590
01:56:52,058 --> 01:56:55,966
the room as well. Perfect. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay,

1591
01:56:55,966 --> 01:57:00,448
so that has been defeated. Sorry about that, Councilor Becky.

1592
01:57:00,448 --> 01:57:08,463
Mayor, you have an alternate motion. Thank you. I've just

1593
01:57:08,463 --> 01:57:11,663
texted it to the clerk. Oh, I should have just

1594
01:57:11,663 --> 01:57:16,134
texted it to everybody. Sorry, not text. Sent it in

1595
01:57:16,134 --> 01:57:20,994
the chat. So the motion is that a special committee

1596
01:57:20,994 --> 01:57:25,675
of counsel. The special committee meeting of council be held

1597
01:57:25,675 --> 01:57:28,635
for the public to provide input on the draft 2050.

1598
01:57:28,635 --> 01:57:32,795
OCP document prior to first reading and that the engage

1599
01:57:32,795 --> 01:57:36,035
port Moody OCP site be updated to notify the community

1600
01:57:36,035 --> 01:57:39,435
of this meeting and following this meeting council provide final

1601
01:57:39,435 --> 01:57:43,902
direction for the preparation of the OCP bylaws. I see

1602
01:57:43,902 --> 01:57:49,231
that moved. Is there a second? Seconded by Councilor Knowles.

1603
01:57:49,231 --> 01:57:51,631
Councilor Knowles, you have your hand up. Can I speak

1604
01:57:51,631 --> 01:57:57,043
to. That. Sorry. That's okay. Yeah, I wanted to just.

1605
01:57:57,043 --> 01:58:02,298
I do appreciate. The previous motion, however, I felt that

1606
01:58:02,298 --> 01:58:08,044
I feel. That. We have timing, and we also have

1607
01:58:08,044 --> 01:58:14,381
expense. For things like special invitations. I'm not terribly fussed.

1608
01:58:14,381 --> 01:58:18,202
I mean, I did mention virtual. In my comments earlier.

1609
01:58:20,054 --> 01:58:21,334
I'm okay with it being in public. I just want

1610
01:58:21,334 --> 01:58:25,703
to make sure that. We have an opportunity for anybody

1611
01:58:25,703 --> 01:58:30,463
who wants to provide input. What happens sometimes at these

1612
01:58:30,463 --> 01:58:34,103
public meetings? Is that people don't feel comfortable saying what

1613
01:58:34,103 --> 01:58:38,151
they want to say. And it could be somebody who

1614
01:58:38,151 --> 01:58:41,271
is very supportive of the document, or not supportive, for

1615
01:58:41,271 --> 01:58:47,373
that matter. Who might feel uncomfortable providing input. That was

1616
01:58:47,373 --> 01:58:51,493
kind of what I was thinking. I agree. Councilor Lubit

1617
01:58:51,493 --> 01:58:55,859
with council Lubic's. Comments that we want to get. A

1618
01:58:55,859 --> 01:59:00,848
diverse number of people as possible. But. We have to

1619
01:59:00,848 --> 01:59:04,406
also not lose sight of the fact that. This is,

1620
01:59:04,406 --> 01:59:09,123
as was said earlier, this is our document now. We

1621
01:59:09,123 --> 01:59:13,163
need to send something to staff. We need to do

1622
01:59:13,163 --> 01:59:18,085
this. If we do this. We are cognizant that this

1623
01:59:18,085 --> 01:59:22,757
will not. Meet the provincial deadline, right? We won't get

1624
01:59:22,757 --> 01:59:24,997
this across the finish line by December and. I'm okay

1625
01:59:24,997 --> 01:59:29,157
with that. I think the province will have to accept

1626
01:59:29,157 --> 01:59:31,797
that I'm sure we're not the only municipality that isn't

1627
01:59:31,797 --> 01:59:36,498
going to be crossing that finish. Line by December. But.

1628
01:59:37,843 --> 01:59:39,883
There are some things that we are asking staff to

1629
01:59:39,883 --> 01:59:43,693
do. So. I do not want to put any more

1630
01:59:43,693 --> 01:59:47,302
burden on staff. This is not something that staff should

1631
01:59:47,302 --> 01:59:50,462
be miniting. This is not something that staff should be

1632
01:59:50,462 --> 01:59:53,262
taking notes on. This is something that council should be

1633
01:59:53,262 --> 01:59:59,260
there to hear and listen and provide resultant feedback. For

1634
01:59:59,260 --> 02:00:03,473
the end result of the document after that meeting. And

1635
02:00:03,473 --> 02:00:05,113
that is very in line with how we've done things

1636
02:00:05,113 --> 02:00:12,932
in the past. We typically, as councilor, As councilor Dilworth

1637
02:00:12,932 --> 02:00:17,133
pointed out, what we've done in the past. Was we

1638
02:00:17,133 --> 02:00:19,893
had us lined up right in front of the stage,

1639
02:00:19,893 --> 02:00:24,422
so. We were down at the bottom and we basically

1640
02:00:24,422 --> 02:00:29,062
were going through the document and. We then provided feedback

1641
02:00:29,062 --> 02:00:32,222
during that meeting, and we had the public also provide

1642
02:00:32,222 --> 02:00:37,612
feedback at that meeting. Which gave us real time opportunity

1643
02:00:37,612 --> 02:00:44,044
to make notes and provide feedback. And then. I think

1644
02:00:44,044 --> 02:00:46,844
that would be a workable thing. As long as we

1645
02:00:46,844 --> 02:00:50,190
know that. This is not going to place more burden

1646
02:00:50,190 --> 02:00:55,334
on staff and that this is not going. To. And.

1647
02:00:56,273 --> 02:00:57,833
This is not going to get completed by December 2025.

1648
02:00:59,847 --> 02:01:05,724
That's it. Thank you, mayor. Councilor Knowles, followed by councilor

1649
02:01:05,724 --> 02:01:12,546
Lubic. There you go. Yeah. Thank you. Mirluddy answered the

1650
02:01:12,546 --> 02:01:14,226
question that I had put my hand up about and

1651
02:01:14,226 --> 02:01:18,727
that was about online versus in person. While I would

1652
02:01:18,727 --> 02:01:21,247
prefer online because I think this could go very long.

1653
02:01:23,297 --> 02:01:27,217
And that's tough after a full day of work. For

1654
02:01:27,217 --> 02:01:31,780
those of us who work full time. I'm not necessarily

1655
02:01:31,780 --> 02:01:36,141
post doing it in person. I would hope that even

1656
02:01:36,141 --> 02:01:43,549
though this won't be staffled, That we can. Ask residents

1657
02:01:43,549 --> 02:01:45,789
who are free, just say whatever they'd like just to

1658
02:01:45,789 --> 02:01:48,509
at least keep the topic to the OCP. I do

1659
02:01:48,509 --> 02:01:53,699
worry about it getting off track. And devolving somewhat so.

1660
02:01:56,018 --> 02:01:59,596
As long as there are some. Clear parameters for this.

1661
02:01:59,596 --> 02:02:02,436
I can get behind this motion and support it, so

1662
02:02:02,436 --> 02:02:05,796
I'll leave. That there. Thank you, Councilor Lubber. Followed by

1663
02:02:05,796 --> 02:02:10,287
Councilor Lorbecky. Thank you. Very much. So I like the

1664
02:02:10,287 --> 02:02:14,543
idea of this being. A committee meeting. Special committee meeting.

1665
02:02:16,330 --> 02:02:18,490
I do think it's the special committee meeting and I

1666
02:02:18,490 --> 02:02:22,692
might have just misheard. But we usually do at least.

1667
02:02:24,459 --> 02:02:31,120
For. Meaning have some live streaming and call in functions.

1668
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:33,880
So I just want to clarify that that would still

1669
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:36,240
be part of. Even if we're not doing minutes, we're

1670
02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:40,215
still looking. To have something that people can look at,

1671
02:02:40,215 --> 02:02:42,215
people are able to call, and so if it's, hybrid,

1672
02:02:42,215 --> 02:02:44,495
then we're kind of doing the best of both worlds.

1673
02:02:44,495 --> 02:02:52,841
Which sever? Several. Tick off some of the boxes in

1674
02:02:52,841 --> 02:03:00,282
the original. Motion as far as live screening and recording

1675
02:03:00,282 --> 02:03:05,179
and going as long as it needs to. I know

1676
02:03:05,179 --> 02:03:07,579
sometimes these things do a little extraordinarily long, but I

1677
02:03:07,579 --> 02:03:10,219
do think it's important that we hear from folks and

1678
02:03:10,219 --> 02:03:13,704
they feel as welcome as possible. To stay and make

1679
02:03:13,704 --> 02:03:17,550
sure that the questions are heard. And I guess I'm

1680
02:03:17,550 --> 02:03:20,694
also wondering. We definitely put this on the engagement website.

1681
02:03:22,823 --> 02:03:28,790
But I also want to know if. We're not doing

1682
02:03:28,790 --> 02:03:35,282
citywide mail loans. What are the other opportunities? To promote

1683
02:03:35,282 --> 02:03:39,815
this. Not everybody goes. To engage port Moody so city,

1684
02:03:39,815 --> 02:03:45,005
social media. Opportunities to. Do. Not a lot of extra

1685
02:03:45,005 --> 02:03:47,365
work for staff, but to be able to send out.

1686
02:03:49,832 --> 02:03:52,632
A notification to some of the civic groups that we

1687
02:03:52,632 --> 02:03:56,970
work very closely with to help. Get people out. Even

1688
02:03:56,970 --> 02:04:01,120
places like share the tricity lift. So those are some

1689
02:04:01,120 --> 02:04:03,320
of my comments that I'd like to see included in

1690
02:04:03,320 --> 02:04:05,760
this. If it goes forward and just get clarity that.

1691
02:04:07,418 --> 02:04:10,298
Would. Like to make a motion to that, or is

1692
02:04:10,298 --> 02:04:14,573
everybody okay with that? I would certainly support a hybrid.

1693
02:04:14,573 --> 02:04:17,693
Ms. Lamb. Is that something you think we should articulate

1694
02:04:17,693 --> 02:04:22,259
as an amendment to the motion. Thank you, chairperson. I

1695
02:04:22,259 --> 02:04:23,979
believe that we can note it as direction if it's

1696
02:04:23,979 --> 02:04:26,859
going to be a meeting, then we would include it

1697
02:04:26,859 --> 02:04:33,182
anyways. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Are you done, Councilor

1698
02:04:33,182 --> 02:04:39,378
Lubic? I am, unless I forgot something. Thank you. Councilor

1699
02:04:39,378 --> 02:04:46,226
Lebecki. Thank you. So. I'm trying to understand the circle

1700
02:04:46,226 --> 02:04:49,306
we are going in here. So we went from purposely.

1701
02:04:49,306 --> 02:04:52,626
Prescriptive, and then I'm hearing comments putting you back in

1702
02:04:52,626 --> 02:04:56,711
what I had even though we voted it down. But

1703
02:04:56,711 --> 02:04:59,591
the motion remains vague, which is similar to previous motions,

1704
02:04:59,591 --> 02:05:01,871
which got us to the situation, to begin with. Which

1705
02:05:01,871 --> 02:05:04,151
is why it has a list of very specific things,

1706
02:05:04,151 --> 02:05:08,255
like ensuring it was hybrid. If I am the public

1707
02:05:08,255 --> 02:05:12,399
watching this, I'm like, what's going on here? Let's just

1708
02:05:12,399 --> 02:05:16,039
be, like, crystal, crystal clear, and I will move an

1709
02:05:16,039 --> 02:05:20,574
amendment to this. Because I think that's what we need.

1710
02:05:20,574 --> 02:05:22,774
This is going to be a hybrid meeting that we

1711
02:05:22,774 --> 02:05:25,374
will be located in the chambers that there is going

1712
02:05:25,374 --> 02:05:28,694
to be an open mic format that this is going

1713
02:05:28,694 --> 02:05:32,531
to be live streamed for those to watch. I heard.

1714
02:05:32,531 --> 02:05:35,451
The only thing I actually heard issue was the timing

1715
02:05:35,451 --> 02:05:37,731
of things, which I agreed on. Changing. That's great. Earlier

1716
02:05:37,731 --> 02:05:40,611
the better. And then not mailing out an invitation, which

1717
02:05:40,611 --> 02:05:45,715
just. Could have been an amendment. Anyhow. Do I need

1718
02:05:45,715 --> 02:05:48,715
to move an amendment that this is a hybrid meeting

1719
02:05:48,715 --> 02:05:52,075
with live streaming with council. Up on the stage with

1720
02:05:52,075 --> 02:05:58,098
an open mic format. I just asked the kirk that

1721
02:05:58,098 --> 02:06:01,098
question, and she confirmed that it doesn't need a motion.

1722
02:06:01,098 --> 02:06:03,498
That they are listening and they have heard and that

1723
02:06:03,498 --> 02:06:09,544
this will be a hybrid meeting. Okay. That question has

1724
02:06:09,544 --> 02:06:12,684
been asked and answered already. Again because it's the fourth

1725
02:06:12,684 --> 02:06:16,364
time. Just wanting to restate. I appreciate that. We're. All

1726
02:06:16,364 --> 02:06:18,444
clear. That's what's going to happen. And the only thing

1727
02:06:18,444 --> 02:06:22,554
I'm hearing then is different is the timing. That council

1728
02:06:22,554 --> 02:06:25,714
is not supportive of a mail out and I guess

1729
02:06:25,714 --> 02:06:29,114
not wanting to use staff resources. For minutes, but is

1730
02:06:29,114 --> 02:06:32,474
going to be live, stream and captured for our community.

1731
02:06:32,474 --> 02:06:34,274
Who wants to watch? And go back and watch it.

1732
02:06:35,893 --> 02:06:39,972
I just captured the changes accordingly. That's fine. I can

1733
02:06:39,972 --> 02:06:41,292
support that. Like I said, I want to support those

1734
02:06:41,292 --> 02:06:44,732
amendments, so. That is what we're voting on right now.

1735
02:06:44,732 --> 02:06:47,972
Then I support that. And I appreciate council. Support for

1736
02:06:47,972 --> 02:06:51,788
moving ahead with. This critical opportunity to hear directly from

1737
02:06:51,788 --> 02:06:57,576
our community. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor. Councilor Knowles. Yeah.

1738
02:06:57,576 --> 02:07:00,016
Just a question that I wanted to clarify, since we're

1739
02:07:00,016 --> 02:07:03,692
clarifying. And I don't know how the rest of council

1740
02:07:03,692 --> 02:07:07,986
feels about this, but. I would prefer. Just ticking in

1741
02:07:07,986 --> 02:07:11,847
the input as counsel. I think if we're doing back

1742
02:07:11,847 --> 02:07:13,967
and forth, we're looking at it at 810. 12 hours.

1743
02:07:15,328 --> 02:07:18,088
What I would like to do is hear the input,

1744
02:07:18,088 --> 02:07:20,288
make my own notes, add that to the rest of

1745
02:07:20,288 --> 02:07:22,928
the feedback and everything else that we've already heard, but

1746
02:07:22,928 --> 02:07:24,368
if we're going to be going back and forth with

1747
02:07:24,368 --> 02:07:26,128
every person who comes up. I think that's going to

1748
02:07:26,128 --> 02:07:27,728
be way too long, so I just want to clarify.

1749
02:07:29,345 --> 02:07:34,362
What is the level of interaction that is expected? The

1750
02:07:34,362 --> 02:07:38,877
motion that's on the table. Thank you. Mayor Lottie, do

1751
02:07:38,877 --> 02:07:43,318
you want to clarify your motion? Well. I think maybe

1752
02:07:43,318 --> 02:07:48,424
this is. Where we differ in our vision for this,

1753
02:07:48,424 --> 02:07:50,904
because I do not see this being a public hearing.

1754
02:07:50,904 --> 02:07:56,122
Format. It's a meeting so public will have an opportunity

1755
02:07:56,122 --> 02:08:00,831
to provide their input. And then counsel will hear it.

1756
02:08:03,075 --> 02:08:07,364
And then. We will make. A decision on how we

1757
02:08:07,364 --> 02:08:10,244
move forward from there. At the meeting, it'll be similar

1758
02:08:10,244 --> 02:08:16,130
to tonight's meeting, I would think. In that the community

1759
02:08:16,130 --> 02:08:19,130
has an opportunity to provide input at the beginning of

1760
02:08:19,130 --> 02:08:21,930
the meeting, and we can extend it as long as.

1761
02:08:23,497 --> 02:08:29,513
They continue to have input. And then. We will see

1762
02:08:29,513 --> 02:08:35,756
where we stand after that. That's my vision. I'm not

1763
02:08:35,756 --> 02:08:39,115
envisioning this to be a public hearing format. Where we

1764
02:08:39,115 --> 02:08:42,234
are responding. To every or where people are coming up

1765
02:08:42,234 --> 02:08:47,360
to a mic and then we're responding. Perhaps. Maybe that's

1766
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:50,560
where the difference is. We can certainly answer questions. I

1767
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:55,319
think we should. For clarity, if there's a question specific

1768
02:08:55,319 --> 02:08:58,119
to the document that a member of the public wants

1769
02:08:58,119 --> 02:09:01,625
answered, I suppose. We could look to staff to answer

1770
02:09:01,625 --> 02:09:04,745
a question and provide clarity, and staff will be there

1771
02:09:04,745 --> 02:09:09,268
to provide clarity for our questions, for sure. Thank you.

1772
02:09:09,268 --> 02:09:17,355
Thank you for that. Councilor Lubic, I believe you have

1773
02:09:17,355 --> 02:09:21,636
two minutes left in your speaking time. Thank you. It

1774
02:09:21,636 --> 02:09:27,172
won't take that long. Just to. Echo what was said.

1775
02:09:29,102 --> 02:09:30,782
I think. And for clarity, I think it would be

1776
02:09:30,782 --> 02:09:34,542
really helpful to have staff present to ask I think

1777
02:09:34,542 --> 02:09:37,582
council will want to answer your questions, but staff are

1778
02:09:37,582 --> 02:09:39,542
the ones who've written. This document, and they are the

1779
02:09:39,542 --> 02:09:46,753
content experts and they know things. Like policy 2.5.6. This

1780
02:09:46,753 --> 02:09:50,073
means that I wish I had that, but I went

1781
02:09:50,073 --> 02:09:52,633
to a couple of them, so I. Think it's really

1782
02:09:52,633 --> 02:09:55,353
important that we do have staff there that are able

1783
02:09:55,353 --> 02:09:59,051
to answer questions. For people, too, so. They're not just

1784
02:09:59,051 --> 02:10:01,531
feeling frustrated. Some people will just want to vote vocalist.

1785
02:10:02,972 --> 02:10:04,652
And some people will actually want clarity on what certain

1786
02:10:04,652 --> 02:10:07,132
things mean. We did. So I think it's important. We

1787
02:10:07,132 --> 02:10:09,572
have those that always make us look good, don't they?

1788
02:10:11,875 --> 02:10:13,875
I don't see any other hands up, so I'm going

1789
02:10:13,875 --> 02:10:17,947
to call the question. On this motion. And staff can

1790
02:10:17,947 --> 02:10:21,187
get back to us with potential dates for our calendars

1791
02:10:21,187 --> 02:10:25,307
and for promotion of this event throughout our community by

1792
02:10:25,307 --> 02:10:32,187
way of social media. Using our billboard. Billboards, et cetera,

1793
02:10:32,187 --> 02:10:36,333
et cetera, et cetera. We are all seeing the motion

1794
02:10:36,333 --> 02:10:42,401
up on the screen. All in favor? Against. I see

1795
02:10:42,401 --> 02:10:45,921
that that was unanimous. Thank you. We have one item

1796
02:10:45,921 --> 02:10:48,441
left, people. Do we think we can get this done

1797
02:10:48,441 --> 02:10:52,967
in the next 15 minutes or so. This is item

1798
02:10:52,967 --> 02:10:57,143
4.4 that was added to the agenda. This was a

1799
02:10:57,143 --> 02:11:02,415
letter from Westgroup exploring. A significant addition of affordable housing

1800
02:11:02,415 --> 02:11:06,935
to the inlet district. We heard from a member public

1801
02:11:06,935 --> 02:11:11,135
at public input on this, and we've had some correspondence.

1802
02:11:11,135 --> 02:11:16,391
From staff who've been having. A number of discussions with

1803
02:11:16,391 --> 02:11:22,511
the mayor with recommendations on how to best facilitate the

1804
02:11:22,511 --> 02:11:26,711
best outcomes that the applicant and that the city wants

1805
02:11:26,711 --> 02:11:34,033
Merlotti. I see your hand up. Thank you. I appreciate

1806
02:11:34,033 --> 02:11:38,288
the opportunity. To speak to this, and I appreciated staff

1807
02:11:38,288 --> 02:11:46,017
earlier information. To counsel. Around, sort of. What this looks

1808
02:11:46,017 --> 02:11:49,539
like and what this doesn't look like. So I know

1809
02:11:49,539 --> 02:11:52,299
that there has been some. We received the letter and.

1810
02:11:54,484 --> 02:11:55,964
I guess that will form part of the public record.

1811
02:11:58,090 --> 02:12:01,930
From west group requesting that we expedited timeline so that

1812
02:12:01,930 --> 02:12:05,970
they can meet the deadlines. For CMHC funding for affordable

1813
02:12:05,970 --> 02:12:14,346
housing. And I'm okay with doing that. If the end

1814
02:12:14,346 --> 02:12:17,346
result is affordable housing. But I want people to be

1815
02:12:17,346 --> 02:12:19,626
really clear that this does not in any way obligate

1816
02:12:19,626 --> 02:12:26,389
us. To prove added density after the fact that. 'll

1817
02:12:26,389 --> 02:12:28,789
have to go through a process. And if it doesn't

1818
02:12:28,789 --> 02:12:31,709
happen, then it doesn't. Happen, but at least we can't

1819
02:12:31,709 --> 02:12:34,789
be seen to be sort of holding up. A process.

1820
02:12:36,093 --> 02:12:37,973
That they've asked us, that we've asked them to come

1821
02:12:37,973 --> 02:12:42,370
back with. So I would like to move that staff,

1822
02:12:42,370 --> 02:12:52,298
be directed to process. To expedite a

1823
02:12:52,298 --> 02:12:55,698
process to allow for a text amendment to incorporate market

1824
02:12:55,698 --> 02:12:59,978
and affordable rental units in phase a and relocate the

1825
02:12:59,978 --> 02:13:03,098
office space to either phase b or c with no

1826
02:13:03,098 --> 02:13:11,633
overall change in density on the development. Thank you. Again.

1827
02:13:11,633 --> 02:13:16,378
I know that there will be future discussions. Around. What

1828
02:13:16,378 --> 02:13:20,570
those changes might entail. Around. I know that Westgoop came

1829
02:13:20,570 --> 02:13:24,410
and talked about additional density, but they also talked about

1830
02:13:24,410 --> 02:13:26,610
some other things that I'm not sure that this council

1831
02:13:26,610 --> 02:13:30,478
would support. Again, I want to make sure that. We

1832
02:13:30,478 --> 02:13:32,518
aren't standing in the way that we aren't accused of.

1833
02:13:34,518 --> 02:13:39,168
Asking for affordable housing. And then not providing a path

1834
02:13:39,168 --> 02:13:43,523
forward for them to achieve that. And so that is

1835
02:13:43,523 --> 02:13:47,561
why I'm putting this forward. Have you got that written,

1836
02:13:47,561 --> 02:13:51,561
and can you provide that? No, I haven't, but I

1837
02:13:51,561 --> 02:13:54,921
will. Do that right now. Okay. Thank you. Are you

1838
02:13:54,921 --> 02:14:00,540
finished? Yeah, that's it. I would like to hear what

1839
02:14:00,540 --> 02:14:03,060
the rest of council has to say. About it. Thanks.

1840
02:14:03,060 --> 02:14:07,180
Thank you. I have Councilor Lereki followed by councillor Lubic.

1841
02:14:07,180 --> 02:14:09,060
Thank. You chair. Well, that was going to be my

1842
02:14:09,060 --> 02:14:12,020
question. What exactly? I heard part of the motion. But

1843
02:14:12,020 --> 02:14:15,700
my understanding is just to recap again, because the public

1844
02:14:15,700 --> 02:14:19,190
has not seen anything. They've amended agenda. There's no materials.

1845
02:14:21,208 --> 02:14:23,488
We received a letter from west group that I understand

1846
02:14:23,488 --> 02:14:29,819
will be on table and published, basically asking. To swap

1847
02:14:29,819 --> 02:14:35,106
out some of the existing density. In their first phase

1848
02:14:35,106 --> 02:14:39,992
of their development. To allow for the inclusion of more

1849
02:14:39,992 --> 02:14:45,948
rentals and more affordable housing. Business office space being delayed

1850
02:14:45,948 --> 02:14:52,858
to. A future stage of the development, and the mayor

1851
02:14:52,858 --> 02:14:56,778
has moved a motion that we expedite. That process to

1852
02:14:56,778 --> 02:14:59,938
consider that request. Have I captured that correctly? You have

1853
02:14:59,938 --> 02:15:05,629
captured that absolutely correctly, councilor. Okay. Thank you. This was

1854
02:15:05,629 --> 02:15:08,749
a request for more density. I would obviously not be

1855
02:15:08,749 --> 02:15:15,084
supportive. I'm supportive of this because. It is hopefully going

1856
02:15:15,084 --> 02:15:19,604
to facilitate desperately needed affordable housing in this development that

1857
02:15:19,604 --> 02:15:24,922
currently has zero units. And was passed that way. I

1858
02:15:24,922 --> 02:15:31,496
am extremely concerned, however, about kicking off much needed. Business

1859
02:15:31,496 --> 02:15:36,179
space. To a future phase because we know that when

1860
02:15:36,179 --> 02:15:39,379
you bring more resins into a higher density, development, and

1861
02:15:39,379 --> 02:15:42,099
we don't want them to use a car. We have

1862
02:15:42,099 --> 02:15:45,459
to give them spaces. To work, and I'm worried that

1863
02:15:45,459 --> 02:15:47,939
if we kick off one of these amenities that we.

1864
02:15:47,939 --> 02:15:52,834
Negotiate. That was negotiated around. This very critical business space

1865
02:15:52,834 --> 02:15:55,114
to another phase that we're just going to re go

1866
02:15:55,114 --> 02:16:00,045
through. This process again. I think I heard a comment

1867
02:16:00,045 --> 02:16:04,885
when someone from the proponent had called in, basically saying

1868
02:16:04,885 --> 02:16:07,765
that if we didn't do this, there would be no

1869
02:16:07,765 --> 02:16:12,592
market. There is something. I'm paraphrasing. But no market. For

1870
02:16:12,592 --> 02:16:17,450
the condo development as proposed and no foreseeable recovery. When

1871
02:16:17,450 --> 02:16:20,023
I hear something like that. I look at that site

1872
02:16:20,023 --> 02:16:22,383
and I'm like, well, the whole thing is now clear

1873
02:16:22,383 --> 02:16:25,183
cut. How did that happen? And now we're having these

1874
02:16:25,183 --> 02:16:28,943
conversations about trying to make sure something gets built. So

1875
02:16:28,943 --> 02:16:33,327
these are the questions. Are asking. We talk a lot

1876
02:16:33,327 --> 02:16:36,727
about process and good faith and not moving the goalposts.

1877
02:16:38,613 --> 02:16:41,413
And I think that when we look at this request,

1878
02:16:43,081 --> 02:16:44,961
This is for a net benefit per share. There's a

1879
02:16:44,961 --> 02:16:48,361
cost and a risk, which is? Delaying another needed amenity,

1880
02:16:48,361 --> 02:16:52,662
which is the office space. So I'll support this moving

1881
02:16:52,662 --> 02:16:57,414
forward. I'm concerned about this. And I guess the future

1882
02:16:57,414 --> 02:17:01,174
will really tell how this actually ends. Up going and

1883
02:17:01,174 --> 02:17:03,854
what the outcome is on this site, because right now

1884
02:17:03,854 --> 02:17:07,214
the outcome is a completely clear cut piece of land

1885
02:17:07,214 --> 02:17:11,710
with nothing on it. Thank you, councilor. Loreki, you asked

1886
02:17:11,710 --> 02:17:13,430
the question. How did we get to the point of

1887
02:17:13,430 --> 02:17:16,110
having a clear cut. And that was the previous council

1888
02:17:16,110 --> 02:17:19,750
made a directive that all the roadways be underground and

1889
02:17:19,750 --> 02:17:25,014
that the site. Thank you, Councilor Lubic. Followed by Councilor

1890
02:17:25,014 --> 02:17:34,118
Eggtrap. Thank you very much. Yes, I'll be supportive. As

1891
02:17:34,118 --> 02:17:36,358
I tried to be honest with council and the public

1892
02:17:36,358 --> 02:17:40,118
about my biggest regret with coordination part is that we

1893
02:17:40,118 --> 02:17:42,838
didn't get affordable housing, and I think this is the

1894
02:17:42,838 --> 02:17:49,829
opportunity. To rectify that. Just for clarity, there is one

1895
02:17:49,829 --> 02:17:52,549
rental building at its rent to own, which is weird

1896
02:17:52,549 --> 02:17:56,329
but cool. So that is a good thing in that

1897
02:17:56,329 --> 02:18:00,769
development. But we need more housing desperately, and if we

1898
02:18:00,769 --> 02:18:04,369
can get both market and low market. That's really important

1899
02:18:04,369 --> 02:18:07,169
right now. We're not. Being asked for any extra density,

1900
02:18:07,169 --> 02:18:16,996
so hopefully that's positive to the community. When we first

1901
02:18:16,996 --> 02:18:19,636
saw this come to council, there was a number of

1902
02:18:19,636 --> 02:18:23,156
questions about recovering some of the costs of dccs and

1903
02:18:23,156 --> 02:18:26,997
things like that. We're not hearing that right now. So

1904
02:18:26,997 --> 02:18:30,571
hopefully that won't come to pass. And this is something

1905
02:18:30,571 --> 02:18:33,425
that. We can see as a positive for our community

1906
02:18:33,425 --> 02:18:37,748
moving forward. We did talk about. There's a question about

1907
02:18:37,748 --> 02:18:42,368
how did we come to be here? It was with

1908
02:18:42,368 --> 02:18:45,928
the trees. And although, as I mentioned before, I'm very

1909
02:18:45,928 --> 02:18:47,528
sad to see all of them go. I do think

1910
02:18:47,528 --> 02:18:49,688
it's going to be wonderful to have no roads. In

1911
02:18:49,688 --> 02:18:52,328
that area and to have a very good park in

1912
02:18:52,328 --> 02:18:55,888
the middle of it. We talked about the OCP earlier.

1913
02:18:57,859 --> 02:18:59,459
And one thing that I think is really important that

1914
02:18:59,459 --> 02:19:02,459
we included in all of the sections, including any future

1915
02:19:02,459 --> 02:19:07,491
sections of Coronation Park. Is inclusionary zoning because we didn't

1916
02:19:07,491 --> 02:19:10,815
have that at that point. So it was a nice

1917
02:19:10,815 --> 02:19:12,655
to have, not a must have, and now it's a

1918
02:19:12,655 --> 02:19:17,165
must. Have. So thank you very much, and I look

1919
02:19:17,165 --> 02:19:22,145
forward to next steps and hopefully. Will be promising. Great.

1920
02:19:22,145 --> 02:19:25,745
Thank you, Councilor Lubic. Councilor. Egg trap? Thank you. I

1921
02:19:25,745 --> 02:19:28,905
just. Have a couple of questions for staff. One is,

1922
02:19:28,905 --> 02:19:33,140
I heard. That the speaker from West Group say that.

1923
02:19:35,077 --> 02:19:37,797
25% of the units will be affordable, and we talk

1924
02:19:37,797 --> 02:19:42,437
a lot about affordable and the spectrum. Of housing. I

1925
02:19:42,437 --> 02:19:45,597
think portable means different things to different people. So what

1926
02:19:45,597 --> 02:19:49,622
does that mean in this? Context. What is affordable means.

1927
02:19:49,622 --> 02:19:52,902
I think given that it's a CMHC application, it is

1928
02:19:52,902 --> 02:19:57,662
probably using the definition of affordability that CMHC uses. I

1929
02:19:57,662 --> 02:20:00,622
don't know if there's Suzanne, do you want to jump

1930
02:20:00,622 --> 02:20:05,581
in and confirm that? Sure? Yes. Through the chair. It

1931
02:20:05,581 --> 02:20:09,501
is tied to a CMHC program. As councilor Dilworth, the

1932
02:20:09,501 --> 02:20:15,620
chair refers my understanding. Is. There are higher rates than

1933
02:20:15,620 --> 02:20:19,995
our below market rental rates. Like our lower end, but

1934
02:20:19,995 --> 02:20:22,315
they are lower than market rental rates. That makes sense.

1935
02:20:24,617 --> 02:20:26,817
So my understanding is approximately they could be in the

1936
02:20:26,817 --> 02:20:30,217
range of one $800 a month versus the much lower

1937
02:20:30,217 --> 02:20:34,091
end, however. Not as high as pure market rates. And

1938
02:20:34,091 --> 02:20:37,211
this is based on the CMHC program that they have

1939
02:20:37,211 --> 02:20:42,171
identified where CHC is setting these rates for the 21

1940
02:20:42,171 --> 02:20:45,251
year period and so forth, so they have certain parameters.

1941
02:20:47,031 --> 02:20:48,551
Okay, thank you. And then that would last. You said

1942
02:20:48,551 --> 02:20:52,111
21 years. 21 years is a program that. CMHC has

1943
02:20:52,111 --> 02:20:56,748
outlined. Yes. That's tied to this, okay? And then as

1944
02:20:56,748 --> 02:21:01,879
far as next step, so. This passes tonight. Because it

1945
02:21:01,879 --> 02:21:05,599
seems like the CMHC is requiring this to be done,

1946
02:21:05,599 --> 02:21:11,436
and then what we see development permit application. We vote

1947
02:21:11,436 --> 02:21:13,756
on that, or what's the next step in this process?

1948
02:21:15,389 --> 02:21:17,389
Yeah. So there is a current application that, as you'll

1949
02:21:17,389 --> 02:21:19,269
all be aware, has been approved. In terms of the

1950
02:21:19,269 --> 02:21:22,189
zoning. So for phase one of that application, the development

1951
02:21:22,189 --> 02:21:25,669
permit will be forthcoming. Next week based on its current

1952
02:21:25,669 --> 02:21:28,749
trajectory. So if council chooses to go down this path,

1953
02:21:31,186 --> 02:21:34,306
To try to incorporate the request by west group. We

1954
02:21:34,306 --> 02:21:37,614
would be looking. To proceed with a text amendment to

1955
02:21:37,614 --> 02:21:42,685
adjust the zoning. To adjust. The office space into a

1956
02:21:42,685 --> 02:21:47,125
feature phase to incorporate the affordable housing components and to

1957
02:21:47,125 --> 02:21:48,965
tie that up. In terms of the zoning they would

1958
02:21:48,965 --> 02:21:51,967
need to then come forward. With an amendment to their

1959
02:21:51,967 --> 02:21:55,167
development permit to deal with the foreign character of shifting

1960
02:21:55,167 --> 02:21:59,644
an office building. To rental. There would also be a

1961
02:21:59,644 --> 02:22:05,159
future OCP amendment and rezoning application. For the proposal outlined

1962
02:22:05,159 --> 02:22:09,839
in May that Westgrip brought forward, which was part of

1963
02:22:09,839 --> 02:22:13,399
a density increase request in order to support the rental

1964
02:22:13,399 --> 02:22:16,959
housing which was outlined in our sort of phased series.

1965
02:22:16,959 --> 02:22:19,839
Of requests. So the request here today is to try

1966
02:22:19,839 --> 02:22:23,119
and keep the path moving forward on the affordable housing.

1967
02:22:24,166 --> 02:22:27,086
Component and to move office to the future phase, there

1968
02:22:27,086 --> 02:22:31,486
would be a subsequent future application by Westgroup to facilitate

1969
02:22:31,486 --> 02:22:35,168
all of the other elements. Okay. Thanks for that. Yeah.

1970
02:22:35,168 --> 02:22:40,607
And we're accelerating. The text amendment so we can meet

1971
02:22:40,607 --> 02:22:46,296
CMHC deadlife so we can get. That affordable housing councilor

1972
02:22:46,296 --> 02:22:51,659
Knowles. Yes. Thank you. I'm really excited that we are

1973
02:22:51,659 --> 02:22:56,418
in this situation. It was devastating last term when the

1974
02:22:56,418 --> 02:23:00,891
council of the day decided. To choose lower density as

1975
02:23:00,891 --> 02:23:03,251
opposed to affordable housing, which is what brought us here.

1976
02:23:05,819 --> 02:23:09,889
The timeline on that is very clear. But. This council,

1977
02:23:09,889 --> 02:23:12,329
I think, in its wisdom, agreed to move forward the

1978
02:23:12,329 --> 02:23:15,049
zoning with the understanding that west group would provide a

1979
02:23:15,049 --> 02:23:18,529
letter of intent that they would do their best to

1980
02:23:18,529 --> 02:23:21,489
add affordable housing in subsequent phases, and here we are.

1981
02:23:21,489 --> 02:23:23,689
Now we're in the first phase and we're doing it,

1982
02:23:23,689 --> 02:23:27,386
so this is awesome. And I will just say moving

1983
02:23:27,386 --> 02:23:29,666
of the gold post is exactly what got us here

1984
02:23:29,666 --> 02:23:31,386
in the first place. So if anything, we're trying to

1985
02:23:31,386 --> 02:23:35,537
correct that problem. The one thing I wanted to say

1986
02:23:35,537 --> 02:23:41,297
is. I'm not super fussed at all about the office

1987
02:23:41,297 --> 02:23:43,697
based situation and the reason for that is because the

1988
02:23:43,697 --> 02:23:46,937
Suterbrook office tower building sat empty for years, and I

1989
02:23:46,937 --> 02:23:49,817
believe at this time. It is currently still half empty.

1990
02:23:51,714 --> 02:23:53,674
So I am very glad that that is the trade

1991
02:23:53,674 --> 02:23:57,394
off that we're making here, and on that note. I

1992
02:23:57,394 --> 02:24:00,678
actually have a proposed amendment, if I may. I would

1993
02:24:00,678 --> 02:24:03,518
like to amend the mayor's motion that relocate the office

1994
02:24:03,518 --> 02:24:06,038
space to another phase. In phase b or c or

1995
02:24:06,038 --> 02:24:10,215
d. With no overall change in density on the development

1996
02:24:10,215 --> 02:24:13,621
because. I would like to give Westgroup as much flexibility

1997
02:24:13,621 --> 02:24:17,415
as possible so that we can get this done. Do

1998
02:24:17,415 --> 02:24:26,109
I have a seconder for that amendment? Council. Seconded.

1999
02:24:28,425 --> 02:24:31,794
I'll add that I think flexibility. Is important, and I

2000
02:24:31,794 --> 02:24:35,285
have to tell you. Having the experience of having gone

2001
02:24:35,285 --> 02:24:41,258
through. Decades of buildouts of our bigger developments. Again, I

2002
02:24:41,258 --> 02:24:44,938
can never say it enough. Soderbrook it was 40 years

2003
02:24:44,938 --> 02:24:47,818
from start to end. There's always going to be changes

2004
02:24:47,818 --> 02:24:50,778
in. Hiccups. And things that go on, and I have

2005
02:24:50,778 --> 02:24:53,698
always been confident that we were going to get affordable

2006
02:24:53,698 --> 02:24:56,858
housing and more rental on that property, just like moving.

2007
02:24:57,583 --> 02:25:03,452
Forward with other applications. We may get more rental. More

2008
02:25:03,452 --> 02:25:08,345
rent to own. As councilor Lubic referenced earlier, This is

2009
02:25:08,345 --> 02:25:11,225
a hiccup. Across the way there was hiccups with Newport.

2010
02:25:11,225 --> 02:25:14,425
There's. Going to be hiccups and things change as we

2011
02:25:14,425 --> 02:25:19,021
move over. And what might be a 25, 30, 40

2012
02:25:19,021 --> 02:25:23,008
year build out of this particular project. Things are going

2013
02:25:23,008 --> 02:25:26,248
to change again, and it's just what to accept in

2014
02:25:26,248 --> 02:25:32,070
any process, so. I will support the amendment for flexibility.

2015
02:25:33,901 --> 02:25:36,741
Because I know things change. It might come back sooner.

2016
02:25:36,741 --> 02:25:39,981
It might come back later. Anyways, we got councilor lubic.

2017
02:25:41,907 --> 02:25:49,708
Thank you very much. As I can. Did for discussion,

2018
02:25:49,708 --> 02:25:54,338
but I'm actually not in favor. I do think that.

2019
02:25:56,032 --> 02:25:59,287
I appreciate flexibility. At the same time, if we want

2020
02:25:59,287 --> 02:26:01,607
to get people out of their cars, I do think

2021
02:26:01,607 --> 02:26:05,389
it's important to have that employment space. And I think

2022
02:26:05,389 --> 02:26:08,789
moving it to a future phase is fine by me,

2023
02:26:08,789 --> 02:26:12,229
but I would like to see that sooner than later

2024
02:26:12,229 --> 02:26:15,029
where possible. So I'd like to keep it where it

2025
02:26:15,029 --> 02:26:19,335
is. So it won't be supporting the comments. Marlati. You

2026
02:26:19,335 --> 02:26:21,975
have some time left. Yeah. Thank you. No, this is

2027
02:26:21,975 --> 02:26:26,950
on the amendment. And I'm not going to take it

2028
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:32,807
all, but I do want to ask staff. I base

2029
02:26:32,807 --> 02:26:38,937
my. Motion on a staff recommendation on how that should

2030
02:26:38,937 --> 02:26:41,417
be worded, so I'd like to know why they did

2031
02:26:41,417 --> 02:26:49,225
not include safety. And similar to councilor lubic. I think

2032
02:26:49,225 --> 02:26:52,265
we're giving a lot of flexibility by moving it out

2033
02:26:52,265 --> 02:26:57,783
of phase A and. I'm not necessarily supportive of adding

2034
02:26:57,783 --> 02:26:59,943
d in, so I'd like to hear from staff, if

2035
02:26:59,943 --> 02:27:03,219
I may. Thank you. Yes, thank you. Through the chair.

2036
02:27:05,389 --> 02:27:11,298
In terms of flexibility because. The density does need. To

2037
02:27:11,298 --> 02:27:13,898
net out sort of like accounting tables in terms of

2038
02:27:13,898 --> 02:27:16,938
you move office from one phase to another phase, and

2039
02:27:16,938 --> 02:27:19,538
then the residential needs to kind of swap around. And

2040
02:27:19,538 --> 02:27:22,138
there is a limitation on how much residential can move

2041
02:27:22,138 --> 02:27:25,285
from one phase to another. We may need some flexibility

2042
02:27:25,285 --> 02:27:28,125
just to ensure that perhaps there could be direction to

2043
02:27:28,125 --> 02:27:31,309
move it to. As latest stage as possible. If that

2044
02:27:31,309 --> 02:27:32,989
was the direction. But we would need to see how

2045
02:27:32,989 --> 02:27:36,189
those numbers land. I would also note that the final

2046
02:27:36,189 --> 02:27:42,789
stage would have office facing probably the lowest priority roadway

2047
02:27:42,789 --> 02:27:46,225
in terms of location. For drive in terms of lease

2048
02:27:46,225 --> 02:27:49,505
traffic, just as some context for your consideration. Okay. Thank

2049
02:27:49,505 --> 02:27:52,425
you. That's helpful. Yeah. So I'm not going to support

2050
02:27:52,425 --> 02:27:55,705
the amendment. No offense, counselor Knowles. But I feel like

2051
02:27:55,705 --> 02:27:58,305
we need to give that flexibility to staff to really.

2052
02:28:01,015 --> 02:28:06,190
Sort of massage out. The best of this scenario. Thank

2053
02:28:06,190 --> 02:28:09,230
you. And I see Ms. Annan also has her hand

2054
02:28:09,230 --> 02:28:17,147
up. Ms annon. Yes. Thank you. So, to build. On

2055
02:28:17,147 --> 02:28:21,254
what Ms. Smith articulated. Well, Part of it. I think

2056
02:28:21,254 --> 02:28:25,226
some of the importance here of being able. To not

2057
02:28:25,226 --> 02:28:28,426
leave things too broad is staff has been asked to

2058
02:28:28,426 --> 02:28:30,506
do this on an expedited timeline. And to do this

2059
02:28:30,506 --> 02:28:33,866
quickly. And the way the zoning bylaw is set up,

2060
02:28:33,866 --> 02:28:39,167
right now. It's very specific about. Amount of residential and

2061
02:28:39,167 --> 02:28:41,687
office and where they're located. And the more we want

2062
02:28:41,687 --> 02:28:44,047
to make this broad, the more we're going to have

2063
02:28:44,047 --> 02:28:49,194
to pull apart that bylaw and. Rewrite it. As Ms.

2064
02:28:49,194 --> 02:28:52,474
Smith said, we would recommend that we keep this change

2065
02:28:52,474 --> 02:28:55,114
as concise as possible. So we can meet the timelines

2066
02:28:55,114 --> 02:28:57,794
that have been requested. And it doesn't mean down the

2067
02:28:57,794 --> 02:29:01,954
road that another text amendment application can't come forward. If

2068
02:29:01,954 --> 02:29:05,074
there needs to be an additional change to accommodate whatever's

2069
02:29:05,074 --> 02:29:09,567
happening at that time, so. I just also wanted to

2070
02:29:09,567 --> 02:29:12,421
be able to point that out, that. We are up

2071
02:29:12,421 --> 02:29:15,261
against, of course, the time crunch as well here, and

2072
02:29:15,261 --> 02:29:17,621
Ms. Mis review was trying to identify the way we

2073
02:29:17,621 --> 02:29:20,791
can move this forward with the least amendments. To that

2074
02:29:20,791 --> 02:29:23,151
zone so that we can, like I said, meet those

2075
02:29:23,151 --> 02:29:27,398
October 31 deadline that was requested. Okay. Thank you for

2076
02:29:27,398 --> 02:29:31,238
that. Thank you, Ms. Ann and councilor Lobecki. Thank you.

2077
02:29:31,238 --> 02:29:33,798
My only comment on this is what is the saying

2078
02:29:33,798 --> 02:29:38,318
given inch take mile. Not supporting this. I do have

2079
02:29:38,318 --> 02:29:42,007
a quick question, actually, through the staff, though. Everything we're

2080
02:29:42,007 --> 02:29:44,087
talking about right now. Is this a guarantee or is

2081
02:29:44,087 --> 02:29:47,799
this an application? Are we talking about a guaranteed component

2082
02:29:47,799 --> 02:29:50,039
of portable housing tonight? Are we talking about moving all

2083
02:29:50,039 --> 02:29:54,119
this? Stuff around to support an application that could possibly

2084
02:29:54,119 --> 02:29:58,913
happen for affordable housing. Yes, to the charity councilor Lobecki.

2085
02:30:00,732 --> 02:30:03,966
So this is in support of a text amendment? To

2086
02:30:03,966 --> 02:30:07,983
enable. The additional rental and to move the office, whether

2087
02:30:07,983 --> 02:30:12,661
or not. That successfully gets west group their application for

2088
02:30:12,661 --> 02:30:16,141
the construction funding through CMHC, which is part of what

2089
02:30:16,141 --> 02:30:19,141
this is tied to, we don't have control over. But

2090
02:30:19,141 --> 02:30:22,381
the proposed tax amendment would put in place a requirement

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02:30:22,381 --> 02:30:26,821
to construct the affordable and market rental units as part

2092
02:30:26,821 --> 02:30:31,682
of this phase. If supported by council. If approved. Thank

2093
02:30:31,682 --> 02:30:35,224
you. So what you're saying is. Moving ahead with this

2094
02:30:35,224 --> 02:30:40,620
change. Creates a requirement that allows for this application to

2095
02:30:40,620 --> 02:30:43,020
proceed, but they are not actually connected. So we would

2096
02:30:43,020 --> 02:30:48,734
be moving ahead with this requirement. In that period. What

2097
02:30:48,734 --> 02:30:53,078
I'm saying is, if this does not actually happen, Is

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02:30:53,078 --> 02:30:56,638
Westgroup now required to fulfill this commitment? Or are we

2099
02:30:56,638 --> 02:30:59,518
just making space for something that might happen with the

2100
02:30:59,518 --> 02:31:02,198
supportable housing component. Sorry, I'm just not quite clear on

2101
02:31:02,198 --> 02:31:06,638
that. Yes, through the chair. So through this application process,

2102
02:31:06,638 --> 02:31:08,878
we would be amending the development agreement, so. We'd be

2103
02:31:08,878 --> 02:31:12,198
amending the zoning bylaw and also the development agreement, securing.

2104
02:31:13,319 --> 02:31:17,119
The housing units with a housing agreement bylaw. So as

2105
02:31:17,119 --> 02:31:20,439
part of getting to the approval of the proposed zoning

2106
02:31:20,439 --> 02:31:23,639
amendment, the applicant would need to agree to that housing

2107
02:31:23,639 --> 02:31:27,039
agreement or securing the provision of those units, so it

2108
02:31:27,039 --> 02:31:30,840
would be tied to this approval process. Which is tied

2109
02:31:30,840 --> 02:31:36,450
to the cmhc funding. West Group has made this application

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02:31:36,450 --> 02:31:40,930
to CMHC to get this lower cost construction financing. So.

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02:31:43,418 --> 02:31:45,018
We don't have control over whether or not they'll secure

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02:31:45,018 --> 02:31:48,218
it. They're looking at this fast track timeline, because my

2113
02:31:48,218 --> 02:31:51,218
understanding is that CMHC has advised them that if they

2114
02:31:51,218 --> 02:31:54,498
can get this zoning in place by the end of

2115
02:31:54,498 --> 02:31:57,538
October, then they could make it to a board meeting

2116
02:31:57,538 --> 02:31:59,778
in order to be considered and that they're kind of

2117
02:31:59,778 --> 02:32:02,018
in the queue. For the funding, but until they have

2118
02:32:02,018 --> 02:32:04,602
the zoning in place, It's not locked down. So that

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02:32:04,602 --> 02:32:07,202
is part of the reason that there's this. Expedited process

2120
02:32:07,202 --> 02:32:09,882
to try and get to that point, to secure the

2121
02:32:09,882 --> 02:32:13,322
financing. Okay, does that make it clear for you. I

2122
02:32:13,322 --> 02:32:15,802
just want to follow up. If that is not, could

2123
02:32:15,802 --> 02:32:19,162
that not. Be successful. Could we redo this zoning and

2124
02:32:19,162 --> 02:32:21,602
they go to the CMHC board? Meaning that. You just

2125
02:32:21,602 --> 02:32:24,277
said or something like that, and that. Is not successful.

2126
02:32:24,277 --> 02:32:29,016
That last financing piece, is that a possibility? Through the

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02:32:29,016 --> 02:32:31,256
charity. Yes. I mean, CMHC could choose not to give

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02:32:31,256 --> 02:32:33,536
them that funding. They would. Then need to go out

2129
02:32:33,536 --> 02:32:37,416
and try and secure that funding through a bank and

2130
02:32:37,416 --> 02:32:40,296
could potentially have a better chance with having. Well, actually,

2131
02:32:40,296 --> 02:32:43,176
I shouldn't say. I don't know whether my understanding is

2132
02:32:43,176 --> 02:32:46,416
they're having some challenges securing funding with the office component

2133
02:32:46,416 --> 02:32:48,536
as part of it, but that would be up to.

2134
02:32:49,060 --> 02:32:51,100
Westgirt to figure out how to finance the project, but

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02:32:51,100 --> 02:32:55,718
the development rights would be tied. To provision of. That

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02:32:55,718 --> 02:32:58,038
rental housing in order to proceed or they need to

2137
02:32:58,038 --> 02:33:01,889
come back for. Another reconsideration of other changes. Okay. Thank

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02:33:01,889 --> 02:33:04,329
you. That's what I wanted to hear. So that's what

2139
02:33:04,329 --> 02:33:08,923
we're doing, and I'm very glad to hear. That. That

2140
02:33:08,923 --> 02:33:11,603
is the chicken before the egg, and that's the process

2141
02:33:11,603 --> 02:33:14,403
that we're taking. To require this for the rezoning, so.

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02:33:14,403 --> 02:33:19,838
Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Agtera. I was just going

2143
02:33:19,838 --> 02:33:23,085
to say to make this crystal clear. We're making a

2144
02:33:23,085 --> 02:33:27,568
change that. Is saying. Affordable housing, swapping out the office

2145
02:33:27,568 --> 02:33:31,448
space for affordable and rental housing. And that is a

2146
02:33:31,448 --> 02:33:35,368
required once we make that change, it's a requirement, and

2147
02:33:35,368 --> 02:33:38,808
that is not dependent on west group. Receiving CMHC funding.

2148
02:33:38,808 --> 02:33:41,248
That's now. We've made it a requirement of the development.

2149
02:33:41,248 --> 02:33:46,383
Permit application. Correct. Through the chair. That's correct. Yeah. So

2150
02:33:46,383 --> 02:33:52,523
I'm totally fine with this, thanks. Thank you so. We

2151
02:33:52,523 --> 02:33:55,083
are currently actually on the amendment to include phase D

2152
02:33:55,083 --> 02:33:57,243
as part of the motion, I'm going to call the

2153
02:33:57,243 --> 02:34:04,061
question on the amendment. All in favor? Against. That is

2154
02:34:04,061 --> 02:34:08,421
unanimously defeated. So, back to the original motion, as recommended

2155
02:34:08,421 --> 02:34:11,101
by staff, and is put forward. On the table by

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02:34:11,101 --> 02:34:15,468
Marlotti. Do we have that yet on the screen, Ms.

2157
02:34:15,468 --> 02:34:19,319
Lam? We're just going to pull it up. Thank you.

2158
02:34:19,319 --> 02:34:19,919
I appreciate that.

2159
02:34:28,846 --> 02:34:31,326
Okay, so there it is. I'm going to call the

2160
02:34:31,326 --> 02:34:34,126
question on that. Everybody's had a good kick at the

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02:34:34,126 --> 02:34:42,593
can here. All in favor? Opposed. I see that that

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02:34:42,593 --> 02:34:49,081
has been endorsed unanimously. Okay. We are now at Rise

2163
02:34:49,081 --> 02:34:54,201
and report referral of city initiatives and planning committee resolutions.

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02:34:54,201 --> 02:34:59,022
Do I have a mover of rise and report. And

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02:34:59,022 --> 02:35:03,546
seconded. All in favor? Carried. Thank you. My portion of

2166
02:35:03,546 --> 02:35:06,642
the evening. Is done, and I'm going to turn this

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02:35:06,642 --> 02:35:08,722
back to the mayor, who's likely going to call a

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02:35:08,722 --> 02:35:14,534
dinner break. Yes. Well done, counselor. Now we will recess

2169
02:35:14,534 --> 02:35:18,574
for dinner. Is that the correct terminology, Madam clerk? Yes,

2170
02:35:18,574 --> 02:35:26,882
ma'am. Okay. And we will reconvene. And head. Into our

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02:35:26,882 --> 02:35:31,502
strategic planning committee. So what time is it? Is it

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02:35:31,502 --> 02:35:35,782
733? So 83 or eight five, let's say. Will reconvene.

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02:35:37,417 --> 02:35:37,697
Thank you. Thank you.

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Back from their dinner break, it looks like. Are we

2175
03:07:09,080 --> 03:07:11,880
okay to get going, Madam Clerk? We are. We're just

2176
03:07:11,880 --> 03:07:17,358
missing councilor Lubis. But we can start. Yes. Okay. There

2177
03:07:17,358 --> 03:07:24,678
she is. Okay. So I will call the Strategic Priorities

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Committee meeting to order. First item as adoption of the

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03:07:27,718 --> 03:07:36,783
agenda. All in favor? Opposed? Carried unanimously. Thank you. Next

2180
03:07:36,783 --> 03:07:42,140
item is the minutes and. These are the minutes from.

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03:07:44,196 --> 03:07:48,515
June 10 to remover in a second. Moved and seconded.

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03:07:48,515 --> 03:07:55,372
All in favor? Opposed? Carried. Thank you. Next item, 4.1,

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03:07:55,372 --> 03:08:00,680
which. Is the strategic priorities intake for July. This is

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a regular standing item that comes onto this agenda. Does

2185
03:08:06,585 --> 03:08:12,914
have any questions or move the motion to receive. Sorry.

2186
03:08:15,563 --> 03:08:22,093
The motion been moved. Councilor lubic. Secondary.

2187
03:08:27,992 --> 03:08:30,472
Yeah. Moved and seconded. Do you want to speak to

2188
03:08:30,472 --> 03:08:33,832
it? Thank you. Just to say that. I always appreciate

2189
03:08:33,832 --> 03:08:37,361
the updates. And one of the things that I just

2190
03:08:37,361 --> 03:08:41,303
wanted to say that I really appreciate. Top is the

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03:08:41,303 --> 03:08:43,903
right item, but we do have part of this is.

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03:08:45,789 --> 03:08:49,723
The moving forward. We're investigating what we're doing for inclusion

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03:08:49,723 --> 03:08:53,603
and bringing that forward. For consideration, and that's something that

2194
03:08:53,603 --> 03:08:57,283
came out of the idea committee, so they'll be thrilled

2195
03:08:57,283 --> 03:09:01,631
to know that. This is going forward. And we know

2196
03:09:01,631 --> 03:09:04,991
that when we've heard folks from the public come and

2197
03:09:04,991 --> 03:09:07,191
talk to us, about how much these programs need to

2198
03:09:07,191 --> 03:09:10,511
them. I think it's wonderful that staff will be investigating

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03:09:10,511 --> 03:09:13,031
what else we can do to highlight those programs and

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03:09:13,031 --> 03:09:16,249
see an extend. So the item has been moved and

2201
03:09:16,249 --> 03:09:18,969
seconded. I don't see any other hands up. So I'll

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03:09:18,969 --> 03:09:23,888
call a question then. All in favor? Opposed. Carrie. Thank

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03:09:23,888 --> 03:09:28,088
you for that, staff and counsel. Next item is 4.2

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03:09:28,088 --> 03:09:33,892
digital strategy for decision. And that is, I think we'll

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03:09:33,892 --> 03:09:40,079
have Mr. Break. Provide an overview. Evening, mayor council. I'm

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03:09:40,079 --> 03:09:41,799
just going to share my presentation here.

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03:09:50,785 --> 03:09:56,878
You guys all see the screen? Yes, we can. Good

2208
03:09:56,878 --> 03:09:59,158
evening, Mary and council. Thank you for the opportunity to

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03:09:59,158 --> 03:10:01,878
present today. I'm pleased to share with you the city's

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03:10:01,878 --> 03:10:04,838
digital strategy. It's an important step forward in modernizing how

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03:10:04,838 --> 03:10:09,269
we serve our community and operate as an organization. This

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03:10:09,269 --> 03:10:12,389
project began in late 2024 and was completed in early

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03:10:12,389 --> 03:10:15,429
2025. It was funded to the city's capital budget and

2214
03:10:15,429 --> 03:10:18,589
as included in the corporate project plan under this sustainable

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03:10:18,589 --> 03:10:22,709
core services and lead with good governance strategic priorities. RSM

2216
03:10:22,709 --> 03:10:25,829
Canada was a partner selected to conduct the assessment and

2217
03:10:25,829 --> 03:10:34,045
developed a digital. Strategy with city. Hawaii digital strategy technology

2218
03:10:34,045 --> 03:10:37,205
is evolving quickly. AI and smart devices are changing how

2219
03:10:37,205 --> 03:10:41,485
cities operate. Residents expect digital first services, just like they

2220
03:10:41,485 --> 03:10:44,845
get from banks and other governments. We need to modernize

2221
03:10:44,845 --> 03:10:48,965
to improve service, use resources wisely, and stay secure. This

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03:10:48,965 --> 03:10:53,536
strategy is our roadmap to align. Technology with council's goals

2223
03:10:53,536 --> 03:10:58,318
and prepare for the future. So RSM began by reviewing

2224
03:10:58,318 --> 03:11:02,038
existing documentation to understand the city's current digital landscape. How

2225
03:11:02,038 --> 03:11:05,238
systems are used where gaps exist and what's working well.

2226
03:11:08,397 --> 03:11:12,077
This provided foundational understanding of the tools and processes in

2227
03:11:12,077 --> 03:11:16,569
place today. To build a strategy that reflects real needs.

2228
03:11:16,569 --> 03:11:20,569
We engage staff across departments through through ten workshops and

2229
03:11:20,569 --> 03:11:24,689
four surveys. These sessions helped us gather valuable insights into

2230
03:11:24,689 --> 03:11:29,129
day to day challenges, opportunities for improvement, and aspirations for

2231
03:11:29,129 --> 03:11:33,573
the future. We review the 120 survey responses, held ten

2232
03:11:33,573 --> 03:11:39,057
workshops, and reviewed eight key documents. From this RSM identified

2233
03:11:39,057 --> 03:11:43,137
over 45 observations that shaped our understanding of the current

2234
03:11:43,137 --> 03:11:48,773
state and informed the strategies direction. There were eight current

2235
03:11:48,773 --> 03:11:52,413
state themes identified that highlight what the city's digital environment

2236
03:11:52,413 --> 03:11:57,133
needs improvement these include gaps in data and reporting, disconnected

2237
03:11:57,133 --> 03:12:01,653
systems, outdated tools, and limited resources. We also face challenges

2238
03:12:01,653 --> 03:12:05,613
with governance, training and service delivery. These findings pointed to

2239
03:12:05,613 --> 03:12:09,911
where we could. Focus our efforts moving forward. As we

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03:12:09,911 --> 03:12:16,286
look forward. Proposed initiatives were grouped into four strategic themes.

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03:12:16,286 --> 03:12:20,846
Developing workforce capabilities. We want to enhance our organizational efficiency

2242
03:12:20,846 --> 03:12:24,766
by building a skilled and knowledgeable workforce to refocus expertise

2243
03:12:24,766 --> 03:12:28,166
on high value activities and empower employees to support and

2244
03:12:28,166 --> 03:12:33,718
drive strategic is initiatives, optimize is operations and govern. Governance.

2245
03:12:33,718 --> 03:12:39,798
This is redefining, refining and standardizing is operations to align

2246
03:12:39,798 --> 03:12:45,614
with strategic goals. Enhance service delivery quality and optimized resource

2247
03:12:45,614 --> 03:12:51,334
management. Modernized technology infrastructure, transforming the city's is infrastructure to

2248
03:12:51,334 --> 03:12:55,934
create a scalable, efficient, and resilient technology foundation that supports

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03:12:55,934 --> 03:13:00,174
service delivery and data informed decision making and finally, elevating

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03:13:00,174 --> 03:13:05,621
citizen experience enhancing. Our digital interaction. And engagement with citizens

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03:13:05,621 --> 03:13:09,901
by upgrading digital platforms and deploying advanced citizen facing tools.

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03:13:11,509 --> 03:13:15,029
The digital strategy includes 14 initiatives mapped to the four

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03:13:15,029 --> 03:13:20,469
strategic themes. Examples are establishing a training program establishing is

2254
03:13:20,469 --> 03:13:23,709
governance, and this is one of the initiatives we've done

2255
03:13:23,709 --> 03:13:26,389
some work on. We've established a committee and are finalizing

2256
03:13:26,389 --> 03:13:32,060
the terms. Designing a cloud strategy. We're nearing completion of

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03:13:32,060 --> 03:13:36,060
this initiative as well and elevating. Citizen support. Details of

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03:13:36,060 --> 03:13:40,628
each initiative are included in the agenda package. This slide

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shows how each digital initiative was assessed based on two

2260
03:13:43,508 --> 03:13:47,668
dimensions, benefit to the city and complexity to implement. The

2261
03:13:47,668 --> 03:13:51,548
goal is to help us prioritize effectively, focusing first on

2262
03:13:51,548 --> 03:13:54,508
niches that offer the most value for the lease effort.

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03:13:54,508 --> 03:13:56,908
On the top left, we have quick wins. These are

2264
03:13:56,908 --> 03:14:01,523
high impact and low complexity. Projects that can be implemented

2265
03:14:01,523 --> 03:14:05,430
quickly. And on the right, top right. We have major

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03:14:05,430 --> 03:14:08,390
projects that are also high impact but require more time,

2267
03:14:08,390 --> 03:14:13,590
resources and planning. This matrix supports decision strategic decision making,

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03:14:13,590 --> 03:14:16,190
ensuring we invest the right initiatives at the right time.

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So we have here is a proposed 24 month roadmap.

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This roadmap provides a high level view of how the

2271
03:14:23,641 --> 03:14:26,721
city could phase it in digital initiatives over the next

2272
03:14:26,721 --> 03:14:29,681
two years. It's important to note this is an illustrative

2273
03:14:29,681 --> 03:14:33,401
timeline, not a fixed schedule. It's meant to guide planning,

2274
03:14:33,401 --> 03:14:38,089
not prescribe it. The roadmap helps us visualize how? Initiatives

2275
03:14:38,089 --> 03:14:41,129
align with strategic priorities and when key decisions or investments

2276
03:14:41,129 --> 03:14:45,022
may be needed. We sequence initiatives to balance quick wins

2277
03:14:45,022 --> 03:14:48,342
with long term projects to require more planning and resources

2278
03:14:48,342 --> 03:14:51,382
as we move forward, this timeline will evolve based on

2279
03:14:51,382 --> 03:14:59,287
resources, interdependencies, and emerging priorities. Next steps. So we want

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03:14:59,287 --> 03:15:02,007
to establish governance and oversight. Our first party is to

2281
03:15:02,007 --> 03:15:05,007
finalize the governance structure. That will oversee the implementation of

2282
03:15:05,007 --> 03:15:11,046
the strategy. This includes defining. Clearly defining roles, responsibilities and

2283
03:15:11,046 --> 03:15:15,044
reporting mechanisms to ensure accountability. It also provides a framework

2284
03:15:15,044 --> 03:15:17,844
for managing risk and making informed decisions as we move

2285
03:15:17,844 --> 03:15:23,298
forward. Review and align on recommendations. We will conduct a

2286
03:15:23,298 --> 03:15:28,058
thorough review of the 14 proposed initiatives. This step ensures

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03:15:28,058 --> 03:15:31,178
that each initiative aligns with the city's strategic goals and

2288
03:15:31,178 --> 03:15:35,018
operational needs, will engage department leads and staff to validate

2289
03:15:35,018 --> 03:15:39,741
priorities and refine the roadmap where needed and finally. Align

2290
03:15:39,741 --> 03:15:43,941
resources and funding, will assess the staffing budget and vendor

2291
03:15:43,941 --> 03:15:48,181
support required to deliver these initiatives this includes identifying opportunities

2292
03:15:48,181 --> 03:15:52,421
for phase implementation and the potential for any external funding

2293
03:15:52,421 --> 03:15:55,261
will bring forward related funding requests through the annual budget

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03:15:55,261 --> 03:16:01,638
process to support execution. Looking ahead. So our vision is

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03:16:01,638 --> 03:16:05,918
simple but powerful. A digitally empowered, citizen. Focused port booty.

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03:16:05,918 --> 03:16:09,278
This is about more than just technology. It's about how

2297
03:16:09,278 --> 03:16:12,735
we can serve our community better. We're at a turning

2298
03:16:12,735 --> 03:16:15,735
point. Technology is changing how cities operate and how people

2299
03:16:15,735 --> 03:16:18,975
expect to interact with their local government. This strategy lays

2300
03:16:18,975 --> 03:16:21,375
out a plan to not just keep up, but also

2301
03:16:21,375 --> 03:16:26,661
lead with purpose. It's about being proactive, not reactive. This

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03:16:26,661 --> 03:16:30,061
roadmap gives us a clear direction and helps us prioritize.

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03:16:31,802 --> 03:16:34,562
Invest wisely and build a city that is more connected,

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03:16:34,562 --> 03:16:37,642
more efficient and more resilient. This is our opportunity to

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03:16:37,642 --> 03:16:40,482
move forward. Together. With the right focus and commitment, we

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03:16:40,482 --> 03:16:43,162
can turn this strategy to a real, meaningful progress for

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03:16:43,162 --> 03:16:47,360
our staff, our residents and our future. Thanks, mayor. Council,

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03:16:47,360 --> 03:16:51,240
if you have any questions, I'm happy to take any.

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03:16:51,240 --> 03:16:55,680
Thank you, Raymond. That was a very good overview of

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03:16:55,680 --> 03:17:01,627
the. Proposed strategy. I'll put it out to council. I

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03:17:01,627 --> 03:17:05,262
see. Councilor Knowles, how's her hand up. Thank you, chair.

2312
03:17:07,475 --> 03:17:10,035
Thanks Miss Rahman, great report thanks for keeping it short

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03:17:10,035 --> 03:17:12,635
I know this is a really long presentation and you

2314
03:17:12,635 --> 03:17:13,995
could have talked for hours, and I'm sure you would

2315
03:17:13,995 --> 03:17:18,140
like to. But I think we got the gist, so

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that's great. I wanted to ask you. A question that

2317
03:17:19,940 --> 03:17:22,460
I've actually asked you before, but I've forgotten the answer

2318
03:17:22,460 --> 03:17:25,100
and. That was. When was the last time we did

2319
03:17:25,100 --> 03:17:29,534
a fulsome? Kind of audit of this department and where

2320
03:17:29,534 --> 03:17:31,134
we are and what we need and where the gaps

2321
03:17:31,134 --> 03:17:37,211
are, please. Through the chair. We have not conducted. An

2322
03:17:37,211 --> 03:17:39,811
assessment like this in not my time with the city,

2323
03:17:39,811 --> 03:17:44,091
and I've been here since. 2008. Wow. Okay. And if

2324
03:17:44,091 --> 03:17:47,611
I recall correctly, this was on the books to happen

2325
03:17:47,611 --> 03:17:50,931
sometime before Covid and then Covid interrupted that. Can you

2326
03:17:50,931 --> 03:17:54,927
speak to that a bit? Correct? Yeah. It was slated

2327
03:17:54,927 --> 03:17:59,385
to happen during Covid year and we delayed it. And

2328
03:17:59,385 --> 03:18:03,223
then we waited till after. The council's strategic plan to

2329
03:18:03,223 --> 03:18:07,286
get in place. And just between timing and everything, It

2330
03:18:07,286 --> 03:18:09,246
took a little bit extra time, but we've got some

2331
03:18:09,246 --> 03:18:13,206
priorities from council and from the city manager, so we

2332
03:18:13,206 --> 03:18:15,766
wanted to make sure we got it completed this year.

2333
03:18:15,766 --> 03:18:18,566
Right. Okay, so. This is overdue. I don't think there

2334
03:18:18,566 --> 03:18:22,420
should be any doubt about that. I know other organizations.

2335
03:18:22,420 --> 03:18:25,860
Private, public, not for profit. They do this on a

2336
03:18:25,860 --> 03:18:31,100
regular basis. So better late than never, but yeah. I

2337
03:18:31,100 --> 03:18:33,460
would think towards the top of our priority list, and

2338
03:18:33,460 --> 03:18:35,260
I'm glad to see a lot of these projects on

2339
03:18:35,260 --> 03:18:38,820
there? Some. I don't understand. They're way beyond my. Pay

2340
03:18:38,820 --> 03:18:41,980
grade, so I look forward to kind of dealing with

2341
03:18:41,980 --> 03:18:43,500
these one by one as they come. For during the

2342
03:18:43,500 --> 03:18:47,195
budget process. I don't think many of us were surprised

2343
03:18:47,195 --> 03:18:49,835
to see that there's some troubling gaps in our systems

2344
03:18:49,835 --> 03:18:57,024
and architecture that need attention. The recommendations are significant. But,

2345
03:18:57,024 --> 03:18:59,704
yeah, I guess I just want to ensure residents that

2346
03:18:59,704 --> 03:19:02,264
none of these standalone project recommendations have been approved for

2347
03:19:02,264 --> 03:19:07,508
spending yet, and they will come to council individually. During

2348
03:19:07,508 --> 03:19:11,068
budgeting for consideration and we could ask for information at

2349
03:19:11,068 --> 03:19:13,708
more time and I will be asking for more information,

2350
03:19:13,708 --> 03:19:16,737
because a lot of the stuff I don't understand. It's

2351
03:19:16,737 --> 03:19:19,057
clear, though, that some of these things should take place

2352
03:19:19,057 --> 03:19:22,857
immediately. And I know your department is already working on

2353
03:19:22,857 --> 03:19:26,095
that already, so I thank you for that. This is

2354
03:19:26,095 --> 03:19:31,135
about Port Moody and the city remaining current secure, nimble,

2355
03:19:31,135 --> 03:19:35,971
but. It's also about meaningful data integration and the customer

2356
03:19:35,971 --> 03:19:40,656
service experience, which is a priority of this council. Yeah.

2357
03:19:40,656 --> 03:19:43,376
We want to make sure Port Rudy's position professionally and

2358
03:19:43,376 --> 03:19:47,619
aligned with our counterparts. And happy to support this. Thank

2359
03:19:47,619 --> 03:19:52,040
you. Thank you, councilor. Sorry. Is there anybody else that

2360
03:19:52,040 --> 03:19:59,260
has. Anything to add? The motion has not been moved.

2361
03:20:00,702 --> 03:20:04,196
And the motion is to adopt as recommended. That's been

2362
03:20:04,196 --> 03:20:06,996
moved and seconded. Any other questions or comments? Seeing none.

2363
03:20:06,996 --> 03:20:11,456
All call the questions. All in favor? Opposed? Carried unanimously.

2364
03:20:11,456 --> 03:20:21,273
Thank you, Raymond. Next item is. Item 4.3. Kyle center

2365
03:20:21,273 --> 03:20:26,553
redevelopment project proposal. So we have a presentation being provided

2366
03:20:26,553 --> 03:20:30,033
tonight. Who's going to be providing that. Who's the project

2367
03:20:30,033 --> 03:20:39,816
manager for this? Ms. Pansense. Thank you.

2368
03:20:44,156 --> 03:20:47,070
Kim, I believe. That Sandy was going to present on

2369
03:20:47,070 --> 03:20:52,620
this. Mr. Look for her. She didn't expect us to

2370
03:20:52,620 --> 03:20:57,126
get to the site in this quickly. Maybe. I'm just

2371
03:20:57,126 --> 03:21:00,870
checking. We're just adding her to the panel. Okay, perfect.

2372
03:21:00,870 --> 03:21:08,044
Thank you. Thank you. To the presentation.

2373
03:21:18,287 --> 03:21:25,479
Let me share my screen. Great. Ms. Talentino, you have

2374
03:21:25,479 --> 03:21:27,119
the floor. Thank you.

2375
03:21:44,788 --> 03:21:47,308
Perfect. Are you guys able to see the screen? Yes,

2376
03:21:47,308 --> 03:21:52,520
but. It's not in presentation mode yet. Here we go.

2377
03:21:52,520 --> 03:21:57,680
Oh, great. Thank you. Good evening, mayor and council. I'm

2378
03:21:57,680 --> 03:22:02,320
here to present the proposal of the cattle center redevelopment.

2379
03:22:02,320 --> 03:22:05,719
Project. So I'm going to share a bit on the

2380
03:22:05,719 --> 03:22:08,239
background leading up to why we're proposing this project, and

2381
03:22:08,239 --> 03:22:10,959
then I'll go into some details about the project in

2382
03:22:10,959 --> 03:22:14,735
terms of phasing. Sighting and phasing. And then I'll wrap

2383
03:22:14,735 --> 03:22:22,314
up with some financial considerations. So cal century. Is an

2384
03:22:22,314 --> 03:22:29,218
11,000 square foot facility that was built in 1977. It's

2385
03:22:29,218 --> 03:22:32,276
hosted a number of different groups over the years. With

2386
03:22:32,276 --> 03:22:36,497
a focus on seniors activities. Currently, it still runs some

2387
03:22:36,497 --> 03:22:40,937
programs and services, such as fitness, dance, general interest programs

2388
03:22:40,937 --> 03:22:44,377
and seasonal events. It also offers rental space for a

2389
03:22:44,377 --> 03:22:48,897
community functions. However, the facility is quickly approaching end of

2390
03:22:48,897 --> 03:22:54,795
life. And what requires significant capital renewal to. Bring it

2391
03:22:54,795 --> 03:23:01,528
back to fully functional. However, even. With the current design

2392
03:23:01,528 --> 03:23:05,895
and layout, there are limitations to its expandability. In order

2393
03:23:05,895 --> 03:23:10,231
to meet the growing community. Whose recreation needs and trends

2394
03:23:10,231 --> 03:23:14,809
are also changing as well. So staff have been working

2395
03:23:14,809 --> 03:23:18,329
on the retreation facility study project, and there was a

2396
03:23:18,329 --> 03:23:23,967
public. Engagement component to it that took place last fall,

2397
03:23:23,967 --> 03:23:27,247
and through the engagement we received some feedback. Specifically regarding

2398
03:23:27,247 --> 03:23:35,537
Kyle center as well. Basically. With the respondents. Desiring some

2399
03:23:35,537 --> 03:23:39,963
form of improvements to the building. So the population of

2400
03:23:39,963 --> 03:23:45,626
Port Woody is expected to almost double by 2015. And.

2401
03:23:47,378 --> 03:23:50,138
With the growing and changing recreation needs, it's apparent that.

2402
03:23:51,823 --> 03:23:55,532
A new and bigger community center is required. And with

2403
03:23:55,532 --> 03:24:00,361
the Moody center. Tod coming online. With all the high

2404
03:24:00,361 --> 03:24:04,361
density developments, the Cal center site offers a great second

2405
03:24:04,361 --> 03:24:10,249
hub. So in light of all that, Staff are proposing

2406
03:24:10,249 --> 03:24:15,129
to redevelop the Cal center area, which is basically the

2407
03:24:15,129 --> 03:24:20,933
area. Shown within the order here. There are three components

2408
03:24:20,933 --> 03:24:24,373
to this or three main components. There's the new community

2409
03:24:24,373 --> 03:24:30,622
center, which. Is going to be 30,000 sqft. So that's

2410
03:24:30,622 --> 03:24:34,542
about almost three times as big as the existing cow

2411
03:24:34,542 --> 03:24:39,490
center. There's the new and expanded Cow park, which would

2412
03:24:39,490 --> 03:24:42,930
be situated on the three city lots. On east of

2413
03:24:42,930 --> 03:24:46,570
Cal street and also a community center that would better

2414
03:24:46,570 --> 03:24:51,650
integrate and connect to the nearby port Modi art Center,

2415
03:24:51,650 --> 03:24:54,650
as well as the new and expanded cow park and

2416
03:24:54,650 --> 03:24:59,599
basically. The whole space. The idea is also to locate

2417
03:24:59,599 --> 03:25:04,313
a new community center as west as possible. While leaving

2418
03:25:04,313 --> 03:25:09,436
space on the west end of. The site. For future

2419
03:25:09,436 --> 03:25:15,130
potential affordable housing. But the project is proposed to take

2420
03:25:15,130 --> 03:25:18,250
place in four phases, with the first phase being conceptual

2421
03:25:18,250 --> 03:25:21,010
design. Of the whole project area, including the community center.

2422
03:25:25,566 --> 03:25:29,846
The park and the plaza, followed by detailed design of

2423
03:25:29,846 --> 03:25:33,293
the same space. Which could start as early as Q.

2424
03:25:33,293 --> 03:25:38,933
2026, followed by construction of the community center in Plaza

2425
03:25:38,933 --> 03:25:43,653
starting in Q. 2027, followed by construction of the cow

2426
03:25:43,653 --> 03:25:50,253
park starting in Q three 2027 this timeline is tentative

2427
03:25:50,253 --> 03:25:54,172
right now, depending on outcomes. Of the conceptual design and

2428
03:25:54,172 --> 03:26:01,782
also funding availability. In terms of the conceptual design. We

2429
03:26:01,782 --> 03:26:06,142
will be doing surveys and geotechnical assessment to ensure that

2430
03:26:06,142 --> 03:26:09,662
the site is viable for the proposed development. There will

2431
03:26:09,662 --> 03:26:11,862
also be a public engagement that would take place in

2432
03:26:11,862 --> 03:26:16,415
two phases. But phase one, focusing on function and programming

2433
03:26:16,415 --> 03:26:20,855
or identification of the space needs for the community center.

2434
03:26:20,855 --> 03:26:25,495
We will be doing targeted engagement with existing facility users,

2435
03:26:25,495 --> 03:26:29,015
account center users such as Pomo Arts we also be

2436
03:26:29,015 --> 03:26:33,575
reaching out to the broader public, including future users, regarding.

2437
03:26:33,861 --> 03:26:38,269
Potential space needs requests. And phase two would be when

2438
03:26:38,269 --> 03:26:43,534
we would share. The recommended conceptual design through renderings and

2439
03:26:43,534 --> 03:26:46,374
also a physical model with the public just to get

2440
03:26:46,374 --> 03:26:50,946
feedback to make sure that we are meeting. The community's

2441
03:26:50,946 --> 03:26:56,775
expectations. So if council approves the project tonight, then we

2442
03:26:56,775 --> 03:27:01,891
will be starting. The functional programming in phase one of

2443
03:27:01,891 --> 03:27:06,686
the public engagement in q three, 2025. With the results

2444
03:27:06,686 --> 03:27:09,846
feeding into the conceptual design and cost estimate, which will

2445
03:27:09,846 --> 03:27:16,780
take place in q four 2025, followed by. Phase two

2446
03:27:16,780 --> 03:27:20,580
of the engagement in q one, 2026. And then we'll

2447
03:27:20,580 --> 03:27:25,524
bring. The final conceptual design and funding strategy to council

2448
03:27:25,524 --> 03:27:29,480
for approval within the same quarter. I should also mention

2449
03:27:29,480 --> 03:27:34,000
that during the conceptual design phase and through to the

2450
03:27:34,000 --> 03:27:39,689
detailed design phase, Staff. Will be looking at options to

2451
03:27:39,689 --> 03:27:43,929
relocate the existing programming and services being offered at Cal

2452
03:27:43,929 --> 03:27:48,321
center. We aim to provide. As much heads up to

2453
03:27:48,321 --> 03:27:52,152
the existing users. As possible to ensure a smooth transition.

2454
03:27:54,811 --> 03:27:58,691
In terms of financial considerations, the conceptual design will require

2455
03:27:58,691 --> 03:28:05,766
a budget of 515,000. Dollars to be funded from the

2456
03:28:05,766 --> 03:28:10,846
community amenity contribution reserve and for the rest of the

2457
03:28:10,846 --> 03:28:15,545
project. Including construction of the community center. Plaza and Cow

2458
03:28:15,545 --> 03:28:20,025
park. A high level estimate is between 30 to 40

2459
03:28:20,025 --> 03:28:27,232
million. Dollars to be funded. With city resource and debt

2460
03:28:27,232 --> 03:28:32,482
financing. With the cost estimate. From the conceptual design phase

2461
03:28:32,482 --> 03:28:35,282
will be able to refine the numbers a bit more.

2462
03:28:36,911 --> 03:28:41,360
And also look into. The detailed split between city reserves

2463
03:28:41,360 --> 03:28:44,920
and debt financing, and staff will also be looking for

2464
03:28:44,920 --> 03:28:51,000
incentive opportunities as well as DCC and ACC opportunities. That's

2465
03:28:51,000 --> 03:28:56,430
the end of my presentation. Thank you for that succinct

2466
03:28:56,430 --> 03:29:00,270
presentation, Ms. Tolentino. I'm going to open it up to

2467
03:29:00,270 --> 03:29:05,762
council for their comments at this time. Councilor Dillworth, you

2468
03:29:05,762 --> 03:29:12,841
have the floor. Great. Thank you. I'm really excited about

2469
03:29:12,841 --> 03:29:15,201
this, and I think staff got it right when they

2470
03:29:15,201 --> 03:29:17,561
said this. Is a facility that is at end of

2471
03:29:17,561 --> 03:29:21,703
life. It's 48 years old. And do you know what?

2472
03:29:21,703 --> 03:29:25,543
I think it's time that a council make a strong,

2473
03:29:25,543 --> 03:29:29,383
bold decision to evolve the 50 year old parking lot

2474
03:29:29,383 --> 03:29:31,783
and a 50 year old building. And I think this

2475
03:29:31,783 --> 03:29:35,953
is the right plan, it's the right time. It ties

2476
03:29:35,953 --> 03:29:42,312
strongly. Into. Our park strategy. It ties into land acquisition

2477
03:29:42,312 --> 03:29:48,685
strategy. It ties into our goals for infrastructure improvement. And

2478
03:29:48,685 --> 03:29:52,125
I know we previously talked about spending a million dollars

2479
03:29:52,125 --> 03:29:54,485
here, a million dollars there, just to fix it up.

2480
03:29:56,369 --> 03:30:00,009
And I am encouraged by my colleagues commitment to look

2481
03:30:00,009 --> 03:30:03,409
at leaving what can only be called as a legacy

2482
03:30:03,409 --> 03:30:07,648
project in Moody center. This isn't just. Putting up a

2483
03:30:07,648 --> 03:30:11,928
replacement building to replace Kyle center. This is tripling the

2484
03:30:11,928 --> 03:30:16,926
amount of programmable space. This is acknowledging that we want

2485
03:30:16,926 --> 03:30:20,486
affordable housing for seniors or otherwise, and we're making space

2486
03:30:20,486 --> 03:30:24,729
there for it. We're creating an open plaza like this

2487
03:30:24,729 --> 03:30:28,329
is going to be the place to go in. Moody

2488
03:30:28,329 --> 03:30:34,117
center. Once it's done. Yes, there is cost to that.

2489
03:30:35,754 --> 03:30:38,434
But you know what? This is great timing to start

2490
03:30:38,434 --> 03:30:41,474
putting some of these costs into our budget. And adding

2491
03:30:41,474 --> 03:30:45,074
to our new ACC and DCC program that I know

2492
03:30:45,074 --> 03:30:47,314
staff are going to be. Bringing back in the near

2493
03:30:47,314 --> 03:30:52,196
future. I understand that staff are working hard, so look

2494
03:30:52,196 --> 03:30:57,076
at potential temporary relocations for existing users such as the

2495
03:30:57,076 --> 03:31:00,516
Art center, such as the Rock and Gem Club, such

2496
03:31:00,516 --> 03:31:06,367
as the Seniors, where they hold. Their luncheons. I just

2497
03:31:06,367 --> 03:31:09,808
hope everybody can get around this and. I'm really looking

2498
03:31:09,808 --> 03:31:15,489
forward to engagement. With current users and people who don't

2499
03:31:15,489 --> 03:31:20,115
usually use that facility. But would if there is something

2500
03:31:20,115 --> 03:31:23,675
there that attracted them or gave them reason to use

2501
03:31:23,675 --> 03:31:27,101
it, I do have a question, though. Again. I can't

2502
03:31:27,101 --> 03:31:30,850
believe this building is 48 years old. In the past.

2503
03:31:30,850 --> 03:31:37,723
I know when we've looked at expanding facilities. We've always

2504
03:31:37,723 --> 03:31:39,883
talked about. Oh, can we put another floor on top

2505
03:31:39,883 --> 03:31:42,883
of the library? Oh. Can we add another floor here?

2506
03:31:44,234 --> 03:31:47,289
And. It's never been feasible because we haven't looked at

2507
03:31:47,289 --> 03:31:50,649
designing the buildings and constructing them from the get go

2508
03:31:50,649 --> 03:31:54,491
with a future expansion. You know what? Assuming we can

2509
03:31:54,491 --> 03:31:58,467
get another 50 years out of a new building, Will

2510
03:31:58,467 --> 03:32:03,834
the design. Initial design work take into consideration. Potential adding

2511
03:32:03,834 --> 03:32:07,994
on of another floor or two in 25 or 30

2512
03:32:07,994 --> 03:32:10,994
years, and I don't. Know who's best able to answer

2513
03:32:10,994 --> 03:32:13,842
that question. Ms. Talentino, do you know who would think

2514
03:32:13,842 --> 03:32:23,437
best to answer that question? Through the chair. Chairs

2515
03:32:23,437 --> 03:32:29,067
is here, but I'll give my first try. So. We

2516
03:32:29,067 --> 03:32:35,009
could look at adding a third floor. And basically. Designing

2517
03:32:35,009 --> 03:32:38,529
the foundation to it. But I guess the downside would

2518
03:32:38,529 --> 03:32:42,790
be. If the building code changes in the next ten

2519
03:32:42,790 --> 03:32:50,257
years or so. Then building up an additional floor. In

2520
03:32:50,257 --> 03:32:54,937
later years may require more changes or modifications than we

2521
03:32:54,937 --> 03:32:59,978
are expecting at this point. Thank you. I kind of

2522
03:32:59,978 --> 03:33:03,818
expected that answer. I'll just close with saying I'm really

2523
03:33:03,818 --> 03:33:06,578
excited to hear what the neighbors think. Over the last

2524
03:33:06,578 --> 03:33:10,938
number of years, we've initiated pop up activities and actions

2525
03:33:10,938 --> 03:33:14,978
that have attracted a large number of different user groups

2526
03:33:14,978 --> 03:33:17,978
and families, and I can't wait to make some big.

2527
03:33:19,398 --> 03:33:22,958
Bold changes down there that is going to really work

2528
03:33:22,958 --> 03:33:27,730
for movie center. And leave a lot more opportunity than

2529
03:33:27,730 --> 03:33:31,490
a 48 year old, 11,000 square foot building. So I'll

2530
03:33:31,490 --> 03:33:36,130
move the recommendation. Okay, great. It's been seconded by many.

2531
03:33:36,130 --> 03:33:39,330
Okay, thank you, councilor. We'll move on to Councilor Knowles.

2532
03:33:41,436 --> 03:33:44,076
Thank you, mayor. I actually meant to speak first. Not

2533
03:33:44,076 --> 03:33:47,737
that it matters, but I accidentally lowered my. Hand. Sorry.

2534
03:33:47,737 --> 03:33:51,357
No. I'm laughing at myself, so I hope you all

2535
03:33:51,357 --> 03:33:54,637
do, too. Okay, so first of all, thank you so

2536
03:33:54,637 --> 03:33:57,717
much for the presentation, Sandy. I'm actually surprised how short

2537
03:33:57,717 --> 03:34:00,437
it was, considering. How exciting and big I think this

2538
03:34:00,437 --> 03:34:02,757
news is. I was expecting something. I don't know. Like

2539
03:34:02,757 --> 03:34:06,513
confetti. Like confetti guns or something. This is huge. This

2540
03:34:06,513 --> 03:34:12,593
is very exciting. So thank you for that. So. The

2541
03:34:12,593 --> 03:34:17,282
comments that I'd like to make. Are. I think councilor

2542
03:34:17,282 --> 03:34:19,122
Derworth has said a lot of them, this project is

2543
03:34:19,122 --> 03:34:23,454
intended to meet. Our growing and changing community. And as

2544
03:34:23,454 --> 03:34:25,774
identified in our strat plan or land management strategy, our

2545
03:34:25,774 --> 03:34:29,214
Parkland strategy, and our cultural vision, as councilor Dilworth mentioned,

2546
03:34:29,214 --> 03:34:34,863
right. This fits so many. Spaces that we've been trying

2547
03:34:34,863 --> 03:34:37,663
to fill. So, as the report notes, many respondents to

2548
03:34:37,663 --> 03:34:41,703
our recreation facilities, advocated for investment in a renewed cloud

2549
03:34:41,703 --> 03:34:45,021
center. So I'm very proud. This council could finally announce

2550
03:34:45,021 --> 03:34:49,461
that we were already working on this identified need, and

2551
03:34:49,461 --> 03:34:51,461
I'm so happy that this council is finally getting Moody

2552
03:34:51,461 --> 03:34:54,701
center the attention it deserves. And by that, I mean?

2553
03:34:54,701 --> 03:34:57,341
In addition to a new Cal center, we've moved important

2554
03:34:57,341 --> 03:35:01,261
initiatives specific to this neighborhood. Including but not limited to

2555
03:35:01,261 --> 03:35:04,786
increased tree canopy. A town hall on expand. Expanding park

2556
03:35:04,786 --> 03:35:07,146
land and moody center. The purchase of two more lots

2557
03:35:07,146 --> 03:35:10,066
for parkland. Special study for the area south of St.

2558
03:35:10,066 --> 03:35:14,426
Jones and improved emobility infrastructure. I'm really excited for Moody

2559
03:35:14,426 --> 03:35:20,870
center. So let's be clear. This new proposed facility will

2560
03:35:20,870 --> 03:35:25,630
replace the current crumbling 11,000 square foot facility with a

2561
03:35:25,630 --> 03:35:29,573
30,000. Square foot facility. It'll increase parking for the area

2562
03:35:29,573 --> 03:35:32,533
as a whole. It'll enhance and expand our green spaces,

2563
03:35:32,533 --> 03:35:35,749
and it's going to create. New cultural, new opportunities for

2564
03:35:35,749 --> 03:35:38,429
cultural and artistic center in Port Modi. At least that's

2565
03:35:38,429 --> 03:35:40,869
my vision, but I guess we'll see how it goes.

2566
03:35:40,869 --> 03:35:42,589
I know staff is already working. On how we're going

2567
03:35:42,589 --> 03:35:46,018
to relocate current. Programming during construction, so hopefully we'll have

2568
03:35:46,018 --> 03:35:48,982
some good news to share on that soon. And, of

2569
03:35:48,982 --> 03:35:52,573
course, the community. Will be able to contribute via robust

2570
03:35:52,573 --> 03:35:55,613
engagement plan. As we proceed, we want to hear from

2571
03:35:55,613 --> 03:35:59,324
everybody and particularly from Moody Center. Now the bad news.

2572
03:36:00,419 --> 03:36:02,419
I know I and others on council, not everyone had

2573
03:36:02,419 --> 03:36:04,779
hoped that we could share in this expense. With a

2574
03:36:04,779 --> 03:36:08,059
developer who might also provide some housing options. But the

2575
03:36:08,059 --> 03:36:11,419
economic reality is that this isn't currently feasible. We are

2576
03:36:11,419 --> 03:36:13,739
hoping that in some point, at some point in the

2577
03:36:13,739 --> 03:36:15,499
future, it will be. And we may be able to

2578
03:36:15,499 --> 03:36:18,723
partner. Then I guess we'll see. It's just unfortunate that

2579
03:36:18,723 --> 03:36:22,932
the state of our building industry is so dire. Due

2580
03:36:22,932 --> 03:36:25,252
to increased costs at every level, but in my opinion,

2581
03:36:25,252 --> 03:36:27,292
it's all the more important. That your local government steps

2582
03:36:27,292 --> 03:36:30,172
up in times like this to get things done and

2583
03:36:30,172 --> 03:36:34,462
deliver what its residents need. Lastly, I just wanted to

2584
03:36:34,462 --> 03:36:37,142
quickly address the comments shared during public input. I truly

2585
03:36:37,142 --> 03:36:41,461
do not believe that any reasonable. Person would agree that

2586
03:36:41,461 --> 03:36:43,901
spending 2 million on a temporary patch for crumbling and

2587
03:36:43,901 --> 03:36:47,741
inadequate building nearing end. Of life at end of life

2588
03:36:47,741 --> 03:36:50,701
would have been a wise decision or investment by this

2589
03:36:50,701 --> 03:36:53,381
council or. By the city not two years ago and

2590
03:36:53,381 --> 03:36:56,541
certainly not today. So this building needs to be replaced.

2591
03:36:56,541 --> 03:37:00,783
Period. So let's build it back, bigger and better. Thank

2592
03:37:00,783 --> 03:37:07,540
you. Thank you, councilor. Next speaker is councilor Lubic.

2593
03:37:14,816 --> 03:37:22,970
I'll be quick. I appreciate. All my. Confidence so far.

2594
03:37:24,157 --> 03:37:26,637
This is, I think, a great news story, and I

2595
03:37:26,637 --> 03:37:29,877
hope that everyone is really looking forward to taking part

2596
03:37:29,877 --> 03:37:33,717
in the engagement and understanding what's going to be there

2597
03:37:33,717 --> 03:37:37,837
and helping provide feedback. On that. I know our senior

2598
03:37:37,837 --> 03:37:41,157
focus committee has been working for a long time on

2599
03:37:41,157 --> 03:37:45,056
seniors needs. And on senior recreation needs. I'm sure they'll

2600
03:37:45,056 --> 03:37:48,856
help. Wonderful input. And as we just heard, our idea

2601
03:37:48,856 --> 03:37:52,936
committee. Is also thinking about inclusion in spaces, so they'll

2602
03:37:52,936 --> 03:37:55,496
have wonderful ideas as well. So I think this is

2603
03:37:55,496 --> 03:37:58,938
going to be? A great way for the community to

2604
03:37:58,938 --> 03:38:05,343
come together. And really put our values into action. The

2605
03:38:05,343 --> 03:38:09,926
population is growing. We know that. And this building really

2606
03:38:09,926 --> 03:38:11,766
is at the end of life, and it has been

2607
03:38:11,766 --> 03:38:16,676
looking very sad for quite a while now. And just

2608
03:38:16,676 --> 03:38:21,840
patching. It's not the way forward, I don't think. It

2609
03:38:21,840 --> 03:38:24,200
definitely needs to be expanded, and with that extension, there's

2610
03:38:24,200 --> 03:38:28,840
opportunities to also expand. Kyle campus with more park space,

2611
03:38:28,840 --> 03:38:30,960
with more staff, have been doing a wonderful job with

2612
03:38:30,960 --> 03:38:33,160
the pop up perks. There may be opportunities to make

2613
03:38:33,160 --> 03:38:35,880
some of those my personal perspectives, some of the pop

2614
03:38:35,880 --> 03:38:39,360
up park. Elements of the people love permanent. See what

2615
03:38:39,360 --> 03:38:42,786
happens, what people like. And I think we have a

2616
03:38:42,786 --> 03:38:48,667
lot of opportunities to also look at. Providing what we've

2617
03:38:48,667 --> 03:38:51,787
heard in some of the OCP engagements. That's my theme.

2618
03:38:51,787 --> 03:38:54,547
For me. People have been saying that they want recreation

2619
03:38:54,547 --> 03:38:57,187
facilities and they're concerned about that. I mean, this is

2620
03:38:57,187 --> 03:39:01,464
how we go about. Doing it and making sure people

2621
03:39:01,464 --> 03:39:06,212
have been. Also really excited that we will have the

2622
03:39:06,212 --> 03:39:11,012
opportunity to potentially follow through with one of council's. Policies,

2623
03:39:11,012 --> 03:39:18,046
which is to look at incorporating verbal closing. Into. Extension

2624
03:39:18,046 --> 03:39:19,926
of public facilities. This is something that we've been looking

2625
03:39:19,926 --> 03:39:24,165
for students for a long time. And I'll be honest,

2626
03:39:24,165 --> 03:39:26,765
I'm not hoping that we partner with the developer. I'm

2627
03:39:26,765 --> 03:39:29,605
hoping that BC housing or something like that so that

2628
03:39:29,605 --> 03:39:34,346
we can. Have. Completely affordable housing to meet the needs

2629
03:39:34,346 --> 03:39:40,758
of our ongoing community. And especially thermal vulnerable in our

2630
03:39:40,758 --> 03:39:42,878
community. So I think this can be a win win

2631
03:39:42,878 --> 03:39:46,541
all over. The place. And portion of the steps. Thank

2632
03:39:46,541 --> 03:39:53,412
you. Thank you, councilor. Councilor Lobeki. You had your hand

2633
03:39:53,412 --> 03:39:55,692
up. Are you not wanting to speak to this now?

2634
03:39:55,692 --> 03:39:58,498
No, I am. I don't know how that happened. Okay,

2635
03:39:58,498 --> 03:40:04,749
thanks. Sorry, I just make myself the notes here. So

2636
03:40:04,749 --> 03:40:08,331
I just have a question through the staff. Regarding long

2637
03:40:08,331 --> 03:40:11,171
term funding of this project because it mentions the CACs

2638
03:40:11,171 --> 03:40:14,131
in terms of this phase. One kind of scoping initial

2639
03:40:14,131 --> 03:40:16,851
design work, but the long term funding of the project.

2640
03:40:18,334 --> 03:40:23,851
Is that based? On. Future development. Are we planning to

2641
03:40:23,851 --> 03:40:26,531
pay for something like this? Based on the idea that

2642
03:40:26,531 --> 03:40:29,371
we will in fact, be building significant future development or.

2643
03:40:31,614 --> 03:40:34,254
Do we have? Because I'm asking this question. Because even

2644
03:40:34,254 --> 03:40:37,774
if all development stopped next year, just so we have

2645
03:40:37,774 --> 03:40:41,899
approved already. What we've seen built already, right? Like our

2646
03:40:41,899 --> 03:40:44,499
population has gone up to 40,000. People. Now, we need

2647
03:40:44,499 --> 03:40:49,735
the direct center, basically. Now. So, just wondering, the long

2648
03:40:49,735 --> 03:40:54,135
term funding, if it's dependent on future, even additional development

2649
03:40:54,135 --> 03:40:58,272
to pay for it. I think from my understanding that

2650
03:40:58,272 --> 03:41:02,395
any future development would just augment, but. I'll go to

2651
03:41:02,395 --> 03:41:08,104
Mr. Gansky or Ms. Talentino. To better explain. Either way,

2652
03:41:08,104 --> 03:41:11,424
I think Mr. Gansky would be a better person to

2653
03:41:11,424 --> 03:41:18,474
speak to this. Okay, thank you through the chair. Yeah.

2654
03:41:18,474 --> 03:41:23,866
Currently the cac reserve. Wouldn't have the funds necessarily to

2655
03:41:23,866 --> 03:41:29,997
complete. A project of this magnitude. But based on what

2656
03:41:29,997 --> 03:41:35,137
we have in stream and with some forecasting, We're anticipating.

2657
03:41:37,081 --> 03:41:40,930
That. Those funds would be available for a project such

2658
03:41:40,930 --> 03:41:45,382
as this. Although it's ultimately going to come down to

2659
03:41:45,382 --> 03:41:48,582
that final funding strategy that we bring back. To council

2660
03:41:48,582 --> 03:41:52,389
once we know what our total costs are. And what

2661
03:41:52,389 --> 03:41:55,949
options are available at that time for council to look

2662
03:41:55,949 --> 03:41:59,864
at. Thank you for that. I mean, the idea of

2663
03:41:59,864 --> 03:42:04,546
growth, paying for growth, of course, but also recognizing. We

2664
03:42:04,546 --> 03:42:06,906
don't want to be dependent on a future that we

2665
03:42:06,906 --> 03:42:09,426
don't know necessary. Will be true to build an amenity

2666
03:42:09,426 --> 03:42:12,953
we need today. To kind of add to the issue

2667
03:42:12,953 --> 03:42:14,753
of why we need it. So I look forward to.

2668
03:42:16,590 --> 03:42:18,190
Conversation, which I know will come in the future in

2669
03:42:18,190 --> 03:42:21,710
terms of looking at balanced options that can make sure

2670
03:42:21,710 --> 03:42:27,114
that this gets built in funded. My next thought is

2671
03:42:27,114 --> 03:42:31,227
this is a community center. And that means we need

2672
03:42:31,227 --> 03:42:34,375
here, for the community. So that is going to be

2673
03:42:34,375 --> 03:42:37,415
phase two. That's what I'm really looking for. Phase one.

2674
03:42:37,415 --> 03:42:41,975
What we're doing is just this preliminary work and exercise

2675
03:42:41,975 --> 03:42:45,575
around what this may or could look like. And then

2676
03:42:45,575 --> 03:42:47,255
my understanding is that we're going to the public to

2677
03:42:47,255 --> 03:42:50,535
hear from you about what you want your community center

2678
03:42:50,535 --> 03:42:52,335
to look like. What program do you want? To see

2679
03:42:52,335 --> 03:42:54,474
what spaces you want to see. What do you want

2680
03:42:54,474 --> 03:42:55,954
to see on that site? What do you think of

2681
03:42:55,954 --> 03:42:58,394
what we're saying. And I think that it's important to

2682
03:42:58,394 --> 03:43:01,434
know that that's where we're headed and that's in my

2683
03:43:01,434 --> 03:43:07,232
mind. The step that. I'm kind of. Waiting for, and

2684
03:43:07,232 --> 03:43:11,092
then we can decide where to go from there. I

2685
03:43:11,092 --> 03:43:15,212
heard mention interesting comments about, I guess, one or more

2686
03:43:15,212 --> 03:43:22,274
counselors apparently wishing that there was developer involvement here. If

2687
03:43:22,274 --> 03:43:24,994
you could express differences of opinion on this council. There

2688
03:43:24,994 --> 03:43:30,044
you go. The public lands need to stay in public

2689
03:43:30,044 --> 03:43:33,964
hands. I strongly believe that. I have always said that.

2690
03:43:33,964 --> 03:43:37,884
And will continue to fight for that. I'm very pleased

2691
03:43:37,884 --> 03:43:40,324
that that is what we're. Doing on this site. I

2692
03:43:40,324 --> 03:43:42,724
think that's what the community would expect us to do.

2693
03:43:44,298 --> 03:43:45,698
And that the only form of housing that should be

2694
03:43:45,698 --> 03:43:49,858
on public lands if it were to be. Considered is

2695
03:43:49,858 --> 03:43:53,899
affordable housing. So I'll leave my comments there. This is

2696
03:43:53,899 --> 03:43:59,099
very early days on this. So. I think that future

2697
03:43:59,099 --> 03:44:01,619
conversations around what this is going to look like, how

2698
03:44:01,619 --> 03:44:03,419
are we going to pay for it or other options,

2699
03:44:03,419 --> 03:44:08,700
even as this evolves, will come to be. And have

2700
03:44:08,700 --> 03:44:12,703
free, good conversations at the table over several years. So

2701
03:44:12,703 --> 03:44:16,023
look forward to. Moving forward is the very first step

2702
03:44:16,023 --> 03:44:22,976
in this longer process. Thank you, councilor. Councilor Agtrap. Thank

2703
03:44:22,976 --> 03:44:26,304
you. I haven't heard anyone say we were going to

2704
03:44:26,304 --> 03:44:30,645
sell land or interested in selling land. I don't think

2705
03:44:30,645 --> 03:44:32,965
anybody on this council is in favor of selling public

2706
03:44:32,965 --> 03:44:38,580
land. I won't speak for Councilor Knowles, but I didn't

2707
03:44:38,580 --> 03:44:42,736
hear her say that. I think it's important that. We

2708
03:44:42,736 --> 03:44:46,016
are going to have to contract or have a relationship

2709
03:44:46,016 --> 03:44:48,016
with somebody to build this for us. Because we certainly

2710
03:44:48,016 --> 03:44:50,736
aren't. But I think it's also important to keep it

2711
03:44:50,736 --> 03:44:55,711
in the context. Of how projects get built and what

2712
03:44:55,711 --> 03:44:58,511
our needs are, and I'm really excited to see this

2713
03:44:58,511 --> 03:45:03,208
project move forward. I hope that the federal and provincial

2714
03:45:03,208 --> 03:45:05,928
governments will have grant opportunities when we're ready to go

2715
03:45:05,928 --> 03:45:09,503
down that road. And I see in the report that

2716
03:45:09,503 --> 03:45:18,430
it recommends or suggests that. 50%. Would be split between

2717
03:45:18,430 --> 03:45:22,870
city reserves and debt financing. But there's also other funding

2718
03:45:22,870 --> 03:45:26,510
strategies, as Mr. Gansky said, and that will become clear.

2719
03:45:26,510 --> 03:45:30,039
When we get to that point, Just for further context,

2720
03:45:30,039 --> 03:45:32,999
when the cloud center was I was born in the

2721
03:45:32,999 --> 03:45:37,075
year the Kyle center. Was built. And poor Moody had

2722
03:45:37,075 --> 03:45:40,235
a population of 11,000 people, and now we have a

2723
03:45:40,235 --> 03:45:45,155
population of 34,000 people. And even when the civic complex,

2724
03:45:45,155 --> 03:45:47,955
I think, was proposed, they found an old article. I

2725
03:45:47,955 --> 03:45:52,811
think it was early proposed in 1993. I'm sitting in

2726
03:45:52,811 --> 03:45:55,920
city hall right now. People weren't too sure about it.

2727
03:45:57,842 --> 03:46:02,191
And now it's a hub of the community. It's well

2728
03:46:02,191 --> 03:46:06,271
used. We know that. We need more space. I'm sure

2729
03:46:06,271 --> 03:46:09,271
everyone has heard from residents. When are we going to

2730
03:46:09,271 --> 03:46:11,151
expand this? And when? Are we going to have more

2731
03:46:11,151 --> 03:46:14,351
programs of that? And I'm sure Ms. Pavey. Tomlinson hears

2732
03:46:14,351 --> 03:46:18,883
that all the time. What are our programming needs? And

2733
03:46:18,883 --> 03:46:22,862
having taken my kids. To the Kyle center at various

2734
03:46:22,862 --> 03:46:27,367
times. It's done a good job for a community, but

2735
03:46:27,367 --> 03:46:29,687
now is the time that we need. To expand it.

2736
03:46:29,687 --> 03:46:32,727
I know a number of families in Moody center that

2737
03:46:32,727 --> 03:46:37,484
would be super excited to have an amenity. Like we're,

2738
03:46:37,484 --> 03:46:40,804
I think, envisioning, so I'm really excited that we're, headed

2739
03:46:40,804 --> 03:46:43,987
that way. And look forward to the next steps in

2740
03:46:43,987 --> 03:46:49,223
hearing from our community. Thank you, councilor. Yeah, I agree

2741
03:46:49,223 --> 03:46:53,373
with everything that's been said. Excuse me. For the most

2742
03:46:53,373 --> 03:46:58,251
part, this is a really important project. That will really

2743
03:46:58,251 --> 03:47:03,777
for Moody Center. That will really transform that neighborhood for

2744
03:47:03,777 --> 03:47:08,445
future generations. And I think that. We need to. Be

2745
03:47:08,445 --> 03:47:11,311
really happy and proud of the fact that. We're moving

2746
03:47:11,311 --> 03:47:15,305
this forward at this time. Moody, centered, deserves to have

2747
03:47:15,305 --> 03:47:19,164
this new facility. They're taking on a lot of growth.

2748
03:47:19,998 --> 03:47:23,038
And they're going exponentially. And so this is the type

2749
03:47:23,038 --> 03:47:25,198
of thing that has to happen in a neighborhood like

2750
03:47:25,198 --> 03:47:27,278
that? You're not going to throw a lipstick on a

2751
03:47:27,278 --> 03:47:31,243
pig. And sort of just sort of slap things onto

2752
03:47:31,243 --> 03:47:34,403
it and try to make it work for another. It's

2753
03:47:34,403 --> 03:47:39,432
just not going to work. So. The neighborhood will be

2754
03:47:39,432 --> 03:47:42,630
growing over the next ten to 20 years. And they

2755
03:47:42,630 --> 03:47:45,310
deserve to have this new facility, and I'm really happy

2756
03:47:45,310 --> 03:47:48,430
that we're moving this forward at this point, at this

2757
03:47:48,430 --> 03:47:52,437
point in time. The type of benefits that we will

2758
03:47:52,437 --> 03:47:58,268
receive. From. The development that's occurring from the development that's

2759
03:47:58,268 --> 03:48:05,416
already occurred. Will, in part, pay for this new facility.

2760
03:48:06,768 --> 03:48:09,648
And as we said earlier, if there is other development

2761
03:48:09,648 --> 03:48:13,928
that's approved, those funds can then be allocated to this

2762
03:48:13,928 --> 03:48:16,888
project as well, or a portion of them anyways, so.

2763
03:48:18,654 --> 03:48:20,894
I'm really happy to support this tonight. I think that

2764
03:48:20,894 --> 03:48:23,214
this is. I would love to have seen this happen

2765
03:48:23,214 --> 03:48:25,414
last year, but I know that these things take time.

2766
03:48:27,081 --> 03:48:32,480
And. I do want to also. Sort of just alert

2767
03:48:32,480 --> 03:48:37,163
there. We have some important stakeholders. The fort moody arts

2768
03:48:37,163 --> 03:48:41,677
center. As one that need to be really brought into

2769
03:48:41,677 --> 03:48:45,437
this process at the outset, at the very beginning. We

2770
03:48:45,437 --> 03:48:49,541
need to know exactly what it is. That they envision

2771
03:48:49,541 --> 03:48:54,082
for their needs. Because. It's going to be in part,

2772
03:48:54,082 --> 03:48:55,762
I guess, a shared site, and we want to make

2773
03:48:55,762 --> 03:49:00,392
sure that we're incorporating. Their needs into this process right

2774
03:49:00,392 --> 03:49:03,272
away. One of the things that I am, I think,

2775
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councilor, LeBecki brought it up around the public engagement. That's

2776
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one of the things that's one of the parts of

2777
03:49:10,152 --> 03:49:14,408
this process that I'm really excited about. I really want

2778
03:49:14,408 --> 03:49:16,608
to hear from the community about what they want to

2779
03:49:16,608 --> 03:49:19,604
see. In that building. What kind of programming do they

2780
03:49:19,604 --> 03:49:22,846
want? Do they envision? What kind of amenity do they

2781
03:49:22,846 --> 03:49:27,612
want in that neighborhood? And this is not just for

2782
03:49:27,612 --> 03:49:30,972
moody center residents. It's for the community at large. But

2783
03:49:30,972 --> 03:49:34,092
of course, it being situated Moody center, I think that

2784
03:49:34,092 --> 03:49:38,856
that neighborhood will. Have a great opportunity to provide input

2785
03:49:38,856 --> 03:49:41,616
on this, and I'm really looking forward to that. Stage

2786
03:49:41,616 --> 03:49:45,127
of this process. So that is all I'm going to

2787
03:49:45,127 --> 03:49:50,776
say, other than I support this wholeheartedly. And. I will

2788
03:49:50,776 --> 03:49:53,896
call the question that has been moved and seconded. All

2789
03:49:53,896 --> 03:50:00,257
in favor? Opposed? Carried unanimously. Thanks, everybody. We'll now go

2790
03:50:00,257 --> 03:50:05,256
to risen report. So this is referral of strategic Priority

2791
03:50:05,256 --> 03:50:09,016
committee resolutions. Senator mover in a second moved and seconded.

2792
03:50:09,016 --> 03:50:16,086
All in favor? Opposed? Carried. Which takes us back to

2793
03:50:16,086 --> 03:50:20,286
our council standing committee, where we will then do one

2794
03:50:20,286 --> 03:50:25,000
more. Rise and report where we are receiving the business

2795
03:50:25,000 --> 03:50:28,704
of tonight. So can I see him move her in

2796
03:50:28,704 --> 03:50:33,304
a seconder for that. Moved and seconded all. In favor?

2797
03:50:33,304 --> 03:50:38,544
Opposed? Carried unanimously. Thanks, everybody. Great meeting. Great decisions. Looking

2798
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forward to seeing you all next. Week.