1 00:04:35,870 --> 00:04:41,360 please rise for style and invocation followed by the Pledge of Allegiance 2 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:05,370 amen I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 3 00:05:02,940 --> 00:05:25,789 Republic for which it stands one nation under God the clerk call the roll here 4 00:05:17,660 --> 00:05:31,050 here here here here no come back yeah Robin is back we have a fifth seat 5 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:36,300 filled up here for the first time since November yeah jack welcome to the board 6 00:05:33,990 --> 00:05:39,990 thank you this is actually the first time we've been allowed to talk about 7 00:05:37,710 --> 00:05:45,030 business with you do that Sunshine Law thing but we're glad to have you up here 8 00:05:43,020 --> 00:05:50,580 we look forward to your contributions and we're glad that the district 1 seat 9 00:05:48,539 --> 00:05:56,130 is filled in the interim until the election to be held thank you for your 10 00:05:52,470 --> 00:06:00,870 confidence public comments on consent agenda items only any items 6 through 10 11 00:05:59,220 --> 00:06:12,449 any comments from the public on those items there being none agenda approval 12 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:17,820 if you don't mind I'd like to have a quick comment about item 10 but I've got 13 00:06:15,690 --> 00:06:23,340 no problem with approving the rest of the agenda and then the consent agenda a 14 00:06:20,090 --> 00:06:28,349 motion to approve the agenda for tonight's meeting first motion to 15 00:06:25,889 --> 00:06:33,690 approve agenda second all in favor signify by saying aye aye I need a 16 00:06:31,139 --> 00:06:40,430 motion for the consent agenda items six through nine so moved but we have a 17 00:06:36,810 --> 00:06:40,430 motion second call the roll 18 00:06:45,819 --> 00:07:01,639 yes yes yes yes you Paul Tanner you're commenting on time we pulled 10 and 19 00:06:57,739 --> 00:07:05,959 basically I just was a okay who's ever voted on that we did not vote on ten the 20 00:07:04,219 --> 00:07:10,689 motion was for six through nine did you vote to pull ten from the consent agenda 21 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:23,980 mr. parliamentarian oh I I just never jest I don't want to make sure I'm clear 22 00:07:21,669 --> 00:07:31,480 on what's going on I'm now gonna do it wrong I moved to pool ten pulled open 23 00:07:30,340 --> 00:07:36,250 ten up for discussion yes that's your motion yes we have a 24 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:44,139 sign up for discussion all in favor signify by saying aye aye 25 00:07:39,010 --> 00:07:48,490 item 10 in the past the we have not had to worry about a canvassing board for an 26 00:07:45,910 --> 00:07:53,830 election because the county he always takes care of that function so we have 27 00:07:50,229 --> 00:07:59,590 to do that for ourselves I just wanted to make sure that we were comfortable 28 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:05,620 with the proposed canvassing board our city clerk her assistant and Jake 29 00:08:01,479 --> 00:08:14,139 Johansson do you guys feel like we need an elected official on that board also 30 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:17,620 or are we good with that if your final I mean I would do it if you wanted it but 31 00:08:15,970 --> 00:08:21,430 if you're happy with it as proposed I'll be more than happy to take the night off 32 00:08:19,750 --> 00:08:29,590 and call Jake and see how it's going from okay with that regard may have a 33 00:08:26,350 --> 00:08:36,940 resolute motion approve resolution 1911 so we have a motion from the vice mayor 34 00:08:32,620 --> 00:08:49,780 in a second from councilman Bastian call the roll yes yes yes yes yes five Oh 35 00:08:47,610 --> 00:08:56,320 and then II will say that for a while with that council is in recess as we do 36 00:08:54,190 --> 00:09:05,170 the annual meetings of corporations I'll turn the gavel over to I think this one 37 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:10,360 your Commissioner or president yes all the above yeah we're both on there 38 00:09:08,980 --> 00:09:14,350 okay so this would be the joint annual required meeting of members and 39 00:09:11,890 --> 00:09:19,060 directors of city center corporate Park property owners association I call the 40 00:09:17,620 --> 00:09:23,170 annual joint meeting of the members and board of directors city center corporate 41 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:26,070 Park property Association to order have a roll call please 42 00:09:26,110 --> 00:09:35,980 here here here here okay second item a business kind of a 43 00:09:34,510 --> 00:09:40,900 motion to accept the notice of the meeting move to accept 44 00:09:38,190 --> 00:09:46,330 second all in favor signify by saying aye all right any opposed 45 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:51,640 we're good okay item three do I have a motion approved minutes of January 16 46 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:59,140 2018 meetings so moved second second all in favor signify by saying aye aye 47 00:09:54,180 --> 00:10:04,810 perfect opposed we're good okay next I'd order business be election of members to 48 00:10:01,630 --> 00:10:09,040 the board of directors you get two boards the board of directors and the 49 00:10:06,820 --> 00:10:20,230 Design Review Board minutes from January 16 item four okay or is that on the next 50 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:31,210 meeting do I you have a motion from me to approve those minutes excuse me we 51 00:10:22,510 --> 00:10:36,040 combined them i emotionally approve the minutes for the design review board say 52 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:44,230 well we have a motion in a second all in favor say aye aye opposed they're 53 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:47,140 approved can we move to item four now they're like okay election of the 54 00:10:45,820 --> 00:10:51,010 members of Board of Directors to have a motion to elect the following to serve 55 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:55,300 on the board of directors don Burnett drew Bastion just got Stiltner chase 56 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:59,470 Tremont and the person elected to counsel in the special election on April 57 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:04,240 30th with the interim councilman Wilde's appointment filling the position until 58 00:11:01,030 --> 00:11:10,050 the election so second in a second all in favor signify by saying aye aye 59 00:11:07,050 --> 00:11:10,050 opposed 60 00:11:16,779 --> 00:11:25,579 I have okay I had them on top Mike I apologize for that they're very similar 61 00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:30,860 they are their work yeah their work this one just says a couple more okay you 62 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:37,819 know why I had Robin print the script for you yeah okay now we're good okay 63 00:11:36,319 --> 00:11:44,449 any further business to be brought before the members hearing none we move 64 00:11:43,009 --> 00:11:48,199 on to the business of the Board of Directors election of officers of the 65 00:11:46,399 --> 00:12:00,769 Board of Directors I'd like to nominate a stream on chairman all second we have 66 00:11:55,519 --> 00:12:10,490 a motion in a second all in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed you 67 00:12:07,250 --> 00:12:23,600 are elected okay thank you do I have a nomination for Vice Chair 68 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:30,649 nominate drew Bastian vice chair motion in a second all in favor signify by 69 00:12:26,449 --> 00:12:36,980 saying aye aye opposed okay we're good there anything I can nominate dawn for 70 00:12:33,079 --> 00:12:43,579 yes after Stiltner for president also I'll need a nomination for president of 71 00:12:39,199 --> 00:12:50,209 this board dominated Scott second we have a motion a second all in favor 72 00:12:46,579 --> 00:13:00,620 signify by saying aye opposed there being none to have a nomination for vice 73 00:12:53,660 --> 00:13:05,839 president so good second to a nominee move now we have a motion by Tremont 74 00:13:03,379 --> 00:13:11,870 second by Stiltner all in favor signify by saying aye aye 75 00:13:07,970 --> 00:13:17,689 losed no we're good we're running out of people Jack okay this one I to me I mean 76 00:13:15,740 --> 00:13:22,460 a nomination for Secretary of the board I would like to nominate the seat holder 77 00:13:21,139 --> 00:13:27,800 for District one in the interim Jack Wiles and then 78 00:13:25,850 --> 00:13:32,060 afterwards the winner of the election once they're seated to become secretary 79 00:13:29,870 --> 00:13:39,740 second second we have a motion and a second all in favor signify by saying 80 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:43,459 aye aye opposed there being none item F can I have a motion to elect dr. Scott 81 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:50,600 Neil's for the treasurer of this board dr. Scott Neil's I nominate him for 82 00:13:46,940 --> 00:13:56,360 treasurer sir all in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed there being none 83 00:13:54,500 --> 00:14:01,730 anybody who wears a bow ties gotta be part of it yes okay new business 84 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:06,350 appointment of registered agent do I have a motion to appoint dr. Scott our 85 00:14:03,950 --> 00:14:13,279 Neil's as register agent effective with the filing of the 2019 annual report so 86 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:20,779 moved second we have a motion a second all in favor signify by saying aye aye 87 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:26,060 opposed there being none okay any further business to be brought before 88 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:31,220 this board of directors anything there being none we'll move on to the business 89 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:35,360 of the Design Review Board okay we're gonna go through this again item 9a you 90 00:14:33,709 --> 00:14:44,690 need a nomination to elect chairman for the one year term nominee vice mayor mr. 91 00:14:38,330 --> 00:14:50,870 chase Tremont second already all in favor signify by saying aye 92 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:54,770 all right opposed there being none we're good 93 00:14:51,620 --> 00:15:00,920 item 9b nomination to like Vice Chairman vice chairman for the one year term 94 00:14:56,980 --> 00:15:07,450 nominate mr. drew Bastion 2nd Sam okay we have a nomination in a second all in 95 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,450 favor signify by saying aye all right 96 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:19,660 chase I'm sorry Robin okay that posed there being no to get it right 9p that 97 00:15:15,079 --> 00:15:19,660 one's me okay 98 00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:30,960 okay is there any further business of this design review board I don't think 99 00:15:29,339 --> 00:15:34,589 we have anything that's for the year there being none this annual meeting of 100 00:15:33,060 --> 00:15:39,660 the members directors and the Design Review Board is adjourned 101 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:44,640 okay now I can get to the correct page go through this one again do what you 102 00:15:42,690 --> 00:15:49,230 did before but only it applies is yes okay I will call the annual joint 103 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:53,310 meeting of the members and board of directors of city center Corporate Park 104 00:15:50,550 --> 00:16:04,740 property owners association to order can have roll call please present here here 105 00:16:01,430 --> 00:16:08,700 here kind of a motion to accept the notice of the meeting so moved second 106 00:16:06,810 --> 00:16:14,730 seeing it all in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed none 107 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:20,790 okay have a motion to approve the minutes of the January 16 2018 meeting 108 00:16:17,010 --> 00:16:27,390 please so moved second all in favor of approval signify by saying aye aye 109 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:31,740 opposed being none item for election of the members of the board of directors 110 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:35,850 kind of a motion to elect the following to serve on the board of directors mayor 111 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:39,690 Dom Burnett councilman drew Bastion councilman Scott Stiltner councilman 112 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:44,760 chase Tremont and the person elected to fill elected to Council special election 113 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:51,480 on April 30th 2019 with the interim appointment filling until said election 114 00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:55,730 so moved in motion second and a second a motion in a second 115 00:16:52,800 --> 00:17:01,709 all in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed there being none election of 116 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:06,270 officers can have on nomination elect the following officers here I'd like to 117 00:17:03,420 --> 00:17:11,790 go ahead and nominate the slate at chairman I'd like to nominate a stream 118 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:15,420 chase Tremont I know him come with your name all of a sudden Vice Chair chairman 119 00:17:13,860 --> 00:17:20,819 I'd like to you a nominate drew Bastian as president I'd like to nominate Scott 120 00:17:18,510 --> 00:17:27,449 Stiltner as vice president myself Don Burnett as Secretary the office holder 121 00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:33,600 both interim and permanent for district 1 and as treasurer dr. Scott our kneels 122 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:36,710 perfect sir second we have a motion a second 123 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:40,250 can have a voice vote all in favor signify by saying aye all right any 124 00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:45,620 opposed there being none motion carries new 125 00:17:43,580 --> 00:17:49,160 business appointment of registers agent do I have a motion to appoint dr. Scott 126 00:17:47,930 --> 00:17:54,830 our Neil's as a registered agent effective with the filing of the 2019 127 00:17:51,590 --> 00:18:00,770 annual report so moved and seconded it's the bow tie yes sir the new guy in the 128 00:17:58,010 --> 00:18:05,780 bowtie perfect all in favor signify by saying aye aye 129 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:11,150 any opposed good motion carries is there any further business of this 130 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:17,860 board none there being none this meeting is also a jardín good job which brings 131 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:34,220 us back to reconvening of council yes citizen participation non-agenda mr. 132 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:38,020 Michael Dalton come on down I'd like to request that my neighbors 133 00:18:44,289 --> 00:18:50,330 these are all property owners the reason why I've come before you is you mean if 134 00:18:49,340 --> 00:18:54,970 they just say your name of the microphone for the round my name is 135 00:18:51,590 --> 00:19:03,799 Michael Dalton thank you my address is 1124 Margate Court I am 136 00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:13,549 approaching you due to the construction occurring at 45414 riverside the 137 00:19:09,980 --> 00:19:18,730 dwelling that was put there is many times larger than my 1,800 square-foot 138 00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:26,629 home and I'm concerned about encroachment of drainage issues there 139 00:19:22,340 --> 00:19:31,429 into the river the water runoff from the building that is currently under 140 00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:37,179 construction and not finished will exit the roof at extremely high 141 00:19:34,580 --> 00:19:42,619 velocities I'm concerned about the significant erosion issues that could 142 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:48,860 have a long-term adversary's effect on the one the entire city rarely the city 143 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:58,999 on statement so I'm here to request that somebody look into this what was he 144 00:19:55,909 --> 00:20:07,999 addressing the property the the i-pro one for Riverside Drive which is what 145 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:11,749 just south of niver yes okay it's at the property that where they had to fire a 146 00:20:09,769 --> 00:20:16,299 couple years back no that's further south oh that's further said okay right 147 00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:19,159 there's also all significant issues with parking based upon the size of that 148 00:20:18,619 --> 00:20:25,360 building nobody's indicated to me what the new 149 00:20:22,369 --> 00:20:30,830 structure would be used for or residential zone right right 150 00:20:29,330 --> 00:20:36,379 you already spoke to somebody in commune of element nobody spoke to me whatsoever 151 00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:45,049 they didn't contact anybody in can we develop ment no this is the property 152 00:20:43,220 --> 00:20:50,210 that's next to there's like a little law boat or RV yes okay yes yes I'm gonna 153 00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:54,220 have the city manager have somebody reach out to you we have your address 154 00:20:52,580 --> 00:21:00,220 and phone number year so that we can make sure you know what's 155 00:20:57,730 --> 00:21:03,789 going on and if you have issue with that then by all means come back but we'll 156 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:13,919 make sure that we get you the information okay thank you thank you 157 00:21:07,769 --> 00:21:22,000 Wayne Walker I'm for the same reason except this thing looks like someone 158 00:21:19,419 --> 00:21:25,960 built Noah's Ark is huge mm-hm so when I tell you I've lived here 159 00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:30,580 ten years and y'all are doing a wonderful job we live in a beautiful 160 00:21:27,940 --> 00:21:37,269 city I walked the river every morning and every night and our never had a 161 00:21:35,169 --> 00:21:41,049 break-in not a car break-in not of anything so the police are doing their 162 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:45,090 job the community is a safe little community it's not a wealthy area except 163 00:21:43,330 --> 00:21:50,860 right from done lot when you come down the beautiful homes and it's starting to 164 00:21:48,970 --> 00:21:56,529 get better since the hurricane each house is getting a little better 165 00:21:53,220 --> 00:22:00,759 there's single-family homes the property that he's talking about has a 166 00:21:57,970 --> 00:22:07,149 single-family home I've lived there 10 years and no one's lived in it but in 167 00:22:04,389 --> 00:22:13,899 front of it every day I come home I look at trash washing machine dryers 168 00:22:10,169 --> 00:22:19,929 refrigerators when the garage door is open there's people who make my skin 169 00:22:18,429 --> 00:22:23,799 curl like they don't belong in my neighborhood and the garage doors open 170 00:22:22,299 --> 00:22:28,450 and there's stuff stored in there like it's being used as a business not a home 171 00:22:26,620 --> 00:22:31,629 not a dwelling that people would live in like someone bought it and said hey 172 00:22:29,860 --> 00:22:38,559 let's use this as our storage in our office there's two junk cars one's a 173 00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:43,389 white van and one's a yellow car and they've been there for probably four or 174 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:48,340 five years just well sometimes they sleep in the van right along where I 175 00:22:46,330 --> 00:22:53,200 walk my puppy they wake up in the morning pee in the bushes 176 00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:56,230 I shouldn't have to see that and the city should notice I've never complained 177 00:22:54,879 --> 00:23:00,790 I thought it'd be something temporary that would go away 178 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:07,450 hasn't gone away and now there's a structure of the size of a Holiday Inn 179 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:15,640 this three stories high I'm a first culver act from niver south and you can 180 00:23:12,430 --> 00:23:23,320 from my window on my couch where I sit and watch TV the third floor just stared 181 00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:28,030 right in me so it's not just me I go to talk to my neighbor and he showed me his 182 00:23:26,260 --> 00:23:34,120 backyard which I've never seen in the ten years I've lived there we've just 183 00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:38,190 talked it's a three-story structure so usually you would have your neighbor you 184 00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:43,120 look over the fence hey how are you I don't know how he lives seeing this 185 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:51,220 whole backyard with a three-story structure and it was elevated five feet 186 00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:57,580 before they put the first elevation so there's about eight doors on that side 187 00:23:54,190 --> 00:24:15,490 of the eight doors when they walk his six foot fence there it's ridiculous I 188 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:19,690 don't even know I got through zoning I'm I can be honest with you I'm unfamiliar 189 00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:24,820 with the property but I'm gonna ask the city manager to do the same thing buy it 190 00:24:22,330 --> 00:24:30,070 they would go like then I won't ask you did your time's up but would we can talk 191 00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:33,760 offline about our problem but I'm also going to ask because you've also brought 192 00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:38,680 up potential code enforcement issues that she's already gonna look into it 193 00:24:36,550 --> 00:24:42,670 from a code perspective and yeah please do Timber know reach out to both 194 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:49,240 residents about the young property thank you so much for your job thank you 195 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:56,290 just say your name into the mic my name is Wayne a walker and I live at 196 00:24:52,710 --> 00:25:04,210 11:34 Margate Court thank you I appreciate thank you council comments 197 00:25:00,070 --> 00:25:08,920 let's start with Scott I don't have much this evening but I did want to wish you 198 00:25:06,460 --> 00:25:13,059 a special happy birthday to Mary wittmeyer 199 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:17,649 one of our VIPs at the Bordelaise department she is 95 years young and 200 00:25:15,580 --> 00:25:23,440 still serving the community as a volunteer and has already served for 35 201 00:25:20,649 --> 00:25:29,139 years so happy birthday to her it's all I got for you tonight I was I was gonna 202 00:25:26,679 --> 00:25:42,820 recognize Mary he did it so I'm good okay I was also gonna recognize Mary 203 00:25:35,740 --> 00:25:50,139 oh yeah you want to welcome yes welcome Jack exactly the thing is your turn you 204 00:25:45,129 --> 00:25:56,649 want to recognize Mary also oh I got a couple things first time out hopefully 205 00:25:52,509 --> 00:26:01,269 it's not out of order but I got a call from some wax on email from someone 206 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:08,950 that's in the Sleepy Hollow subdivision I talked to the city manager about it 207 00:26:03,639 --> 00:26:13,960 it was a citizen tracker complaint about potholes and also the culverts and that 208 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:20,499 particular subdivision I understand it's being worked on and probably would be 209 00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:25,299 rectified next year we're just hoping that maybe for the benefit of the people 210 00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:29,889 in that area that we could get maybe those barricades removed from the 211 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,850 neighborhood they've been sitting out in front of his home for about six nine 212 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:38,830 months now so hopefully we can see what we can do about a temporary fix and get 213 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:43,570 those removed Jake about that thing okay Sleepy Hollow is something that's going 214 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:49,509 to be designed and taken care of as soon as we can get the money to do it it's on 215 00:26:46,749 --> 00:26:53,590 the list as as you well know Virginia Monroe was last year how Street this 216 00:26:51,909 --> 00:27:01,389 year but we're going to try and take care of Sleepy Hollow internally and 217 00:26:57,129 --> 00:27:06,610 with st. John's money and not not wait for the state 218 00:27:03,779 --> 00:27:14,840 it's got significant flooding issues and this this this problem is just part of 219 00:27:09,429 --> 00:27:24,169 it so it's it's on our list the other thank you the only other concern is the 220 00:27:20,659 --> 00:27:28,490 bridge Nick the bridge one side lane is closed on the weekends well all week for 221 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,960 that matter but on the weekends it really backs up all the way past Bruce 222 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:37,149 Creek Road and traffic is kind of a nightmare I'm just curious if there was 223 00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:44,059 a time line on that bridge being resolved for some of the people so the 224 00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:50,480 arty says April and I'm hoping the d-o-t can finish in April because yeah it's a 225 00:27:47,059 --> 00:27:52,820 mess down there yeah yeah mayor if I can just comment on that real quick for 226 00:27:51,619 --> 00:27:56,899 projects that if in case you get any more questions so that a recent 227 00:27:54,529 --> 00:28:01,580 tpo meeting there were some discussion about that and some concern where people 228 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,490 are projecting that they're working on one side of the bridge in the same 229 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,509 amount of time will have to be applied that's not actually the case so they're 230 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:12,259 working up underneath the bridge on their accessing that from just that one 231 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:15,639 side now there may be a small amount of time for what I understand where they do 232 00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:19,639 have to transition to the other side that will definitely not occur during 233 00:28:17,629 --> 00:28:24,019 Bike Week they intend it to I think cease what they've got going on 234 00:28:21,619 --> 00:28:27,710 during that period of time but for overwhelmingly the majority of the 235 00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:34,039 project will all be done by just using the one eastbound side lane obviously 236 00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:38,149 the westbound would even be a much bigger issue so in their timeline that 237 00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:43,759 we have heard is is definitely April timeframe to wrap it up so hopefully 238 00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:48,590 that happen they say it was too much trouble to take everything away and 239 00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:52,159 remobilize and all that before weekends because everybody's going to the beach 240 00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:58,490 back and forth which seems like it's a really shook nightmare even during the 241 00:28:55,100 --> 00:29:03,889 week it's no big thing yeah there's been some concern about the trail down ala 242 00:29:00,499 --> 00:29:08,059 fact some dialogue on that I'm getting some phone calls pro and con on that so 243 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:12,220 I don't you know I know where we're at on it 244 00:29:09,490 --> 00:29:15,880 any more conversations on he wasn't happy to participate in those and I 245 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:19,570 think Jake and Tim have a meeting scheduled down there coming up so 246 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:24,850 whatever I can do to help in that area but there's still some undecided folks 247 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:28,150 down there as to how they want to proceed with that and what their 248 00:29:26,679 --> 00:29:32,230 thoughts are it's always one of those things where a lot of people like the 249 00:29:29,860 --> 00:29:39,820 idea and there's a great idea but it's one of those where I think not in my 250 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:43,000 backyard honestly and it hasn't even been engineered yet so I don't even know 251 00:29:41,770 --> 00:29:47,980 what I'm talking about you're not exactly there's a ways out 252 00:29:45,309 --> 00:29:53,679 and I understand that's all I have oh by the way opening day of baseball I think 253 00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:59,620 is this is Saturday this Saturday 8:45 at field to which unfortunately I'll be 254 00:29:57,730 --> 00:30:04,110 out of town but it's always a great event that the city puts on - Susan 255 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:08,350 thank you for all your work in your King have a baseball ready for me to throw 256 00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:15,970 out that's for sure I'm gonna miss it for the first time in six years because 257 00:30:10,450 --> 00:30:23,050 I'll be working I'm the now stable to be there also item 14 environmental 258 00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:32,320 Advisory Board report it's a John Macaluso sighting mr. mayor council 259 00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:36,309 staff John Macaluso chairperson environmental advisory board brief 260 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:42,420 update on what's happened in the last three or four months we met in January 261 00:30:39,220 --> 00:30:47,890 and first item was election of officers the officers remain the same as they 262 00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:54,040 were in 2018 myself as chairperson and Nancy Vaughan as vice chairperson we 263 00:30:51,580 --> 00:31:00,010 discussed some items on the agenda Riverwalk development I've directed the 264 00:30:57,010 --> 00:31:04,090 board members to visit the site develop any questions and concerns from an 265 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:09,179 environmental concern regarding future development and address any city and 266 00:31:07,179 --> 00:31:15,300 staff with those questions or concerns so we'll get a little bit ahead of the 267 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,300 game before the design is complete 268 00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:22,920 resolution regarding relating to the list of trees we've been working on the 269 00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:27,050 tree ordinance in the tree resolution for the last two years the year that 270 00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:31,200 I've been here basically Margaret Thomason construction 271 00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:35,250 engineering manager and Timberman Community Development Director provided 272 00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:40,920 us with a plan for moving forward on the tree resolution Alissa trees were 273 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:45,390 supplied to the a board the a board has been directed to review the list and 274 00:31:42,570 --> 00:31:51,090 bring any questions or concerns to our special meeting that we had planned back 275 00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:54,540 in February and now we were going to review that list during that special 276 00:31:52,530 --> 00:31:59,130 meeting that was scheduled for February 22nd unfortunately we did not have a 277 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:04,680 quorum that day we had four members of our board absent so we have to move that 278 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:08,040 over to our April meeting if you're familiar with the Raintree subdivision 279 00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:13,230 there's a discussion going on regarding the entrance off the Spruce Creek Road 280 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:17,010 there's a large live oak tree in the road divider at the entrance and the 281 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,980 road is raised in both directions from the roots 282 00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:26,850 we had Ronny Buttram our Deputy Director of Public Works in attendance to discuss 283 00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:30,980 the options and in that area initial cost estimate to preserve the tree was 284 00:32:28,830 --> 00:32:37,500 presented by Margaret Tomlinson at about $400,000 the EAB discussed the options 285 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:42,750 and asked for a more extensive cost estimate on three options that we put 286 00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:48,330 out root pruning road repaving and yearly route maintenance as one option 287 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:53,220 Road reconstruction included in that and tree tree removal and replacement so if 288 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,750 we want to take another look at those options in our next meeting and come 289 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:03,210 back with a recommendation and see where that goes from a cost estimate point we 290 00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:06,660 go we also discussed for the future Port Orange Family Days environmental 291 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:11,970 advisory board would love to have a booth in the fall and push some of our 292 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:17,190 environmental actions that we'd like to see in the city to the public another 293 00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:22,410 topic that came up which is which has been a a hot topic lately you've been 294 00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:27,010 following the papers and and local issues recycling 295 00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:31,960 environmental advisory board members have requested and we have an interest 296 00:33:29,260 --> 00:33:35,590 in review the city's recycling plan once it's crafted and before it's approved so 297 00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:40,450 we like to take a look at it and work with the city on that before approval of 298 00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:45,070 the recycling ordinance or any new recycling plan and again as our special 299 00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:49,210 meeting was cancelled so the true resolution will move on to the April 300 00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:55,060 meeting hopefully we can we can continue that Tim Timmons in Timberman has 301 00:33:52,030 --> 00:34:00,460 indicated at the next council meeting I believe he's going to present part of 302 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:04,990 our resolution for discussion and we'll pick it up from there at our next 303 00:34:01,660 --> 00:34:11,320 meeting quick questions this is just the tree preservation at 400,000 does that 304 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:18,720 include estimated cost for road resurfacing yes and I believe the whole 305 00:34:13,870 --> 00:34:22,870 project yes it's for no way I understand what happens you know because if you 306 00:34:21,790 --> 00:34:29,890 don't preserve the tree and you're mistaken we're hoping to see the the 307 00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:37,630 estimates at the next move now to you about penetrating the underlayment and 308 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:42,280 the length so a lot of the other boards have downsized to meet the quorum 309 00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:45,640 requirements do we is there an issue that we need to resolve or is there 310 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:52,780 anything we can do to help or you want to was it aberration I I think it was 311 00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:57,850 it's for excused absences meeting excused absences are great but we need a 312 00:34:55,420 --> 00:35:01,750 core we we only meet four times a year and we're trying to answer knows my 313 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,310 feelings about meeting four times a year I'd like to get it up to six times ears 314 00:35:03,850 --> 00:35:11,080 problem hit possible which which we plan on proposing at our next meeting but I 315 00:35:08,350 --> 00:35:14,110 need a quorum quorum for for much just let us know and you have some I think 316 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:18,640 you have some appointments coming up they do we have the time to let them die 317 00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:24,640 by we have appointments coming up in April for your right 318 00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:27,760 we appreciate people's willingness to serve 319 00:35:26,110 --> 00:35:31,180 also got to get them to honor their commitments absolutely thank you John 320 00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:35,710 thank you yeah I'm sorry any other questions of counsel they're being okay 321 00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:40,420 now I'd say thank you John well we'll make sure he has a spot on this in the 322 00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:51,640 city's Family Days kiosk with the community development as well perfect 323 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:56,920 item 15 golf advisory board report I'm the one well on you good yes sir 324 00:35:54,580 --> 00:36:02,110 originally I'm the current chairman of the health advisory board was last year 325 00:35:59,590 --> 00:36:10,330 again this year so I know share your pain the women on February the fifth and 326 00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:15,700 at that meeting we spent a great deal of time reviewing resolution 1932 which is 327 00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:19,780 really the golf rules for the golf course of the etiquette those kinds of 328 00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:25,000 things how to treat the employees what the expectations of players are and 329 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,840 those things it is in essence it was a fairly thick resolution that we went 330 00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:32,980 through and it basically is being completely rewritten it was 20 plus 331 00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:38,590 years old some of the things that were in there were almost comical and Susan 332 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,230 lobello has taken charge to get that rewritten and have it ready for our next 333 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:48,580 meeting which will probably be in another month the we had spoken last 334 00:36:46,810 --> 00:36:52,650 time about course conditions and I'd indicated that there had been some 335 00:36:49,690 --> 00:36:58,870 concern particularly on holes 2 and 18 because of the shade that goes onto the 336 00:36:56,590 --> 00:37:03,700 green that they have not had a chance to grow and mature as they should have 337 00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:07,480 trees have been cut in those areas we're expecting some improvement but there's 338 00:37:05,380 --> 00:37:12,250 been continued deterioration at this point one of the things I've learned 339 00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:18,490 from some little bit of research that I've done is the type of grass that we 340 00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:25,360 chose to put in those areas was relatively low expensively price-wise 341 00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:29,020 but it's difficult to maintain it's very big it's kind of fussy it likes a 342 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:33,160 certain amount of water a certain amount of heat certain amount of cold certain 343 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:38,240 amount of light so if you don't get those conditions exactly right 344 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:46,609 as it struggles it also will never grow very tall so unlike some greens like if 345 00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:52,070 you played some of the courses in New Smyrna Beach you'll find that their 346 00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:55,250 greens are just perfect I mean they look like a green carpet that you're going 347 00:37:53,869 --> 00:37:58,250 through it's a whole different type of grass we're never going to get that 348 00:37:56,450 --> 00:38:04,130 condition we're always going to have a very thin grass layer and very fast 349 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:10,550 greens as a result of that but there is some concern by the board that we're not 350 00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:15,020 getting the kind of help and support in order to make those greens grow given 351 00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:20,150 the rain and the cold and then getting hot then it gets cold again that they 352 00:38:17,660 --> 00:38:23,000 need in order to support them so again Susan LaValle always said they're gonna 353 00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:26,690 have some agricultural people from the University of Florida maybe even from 354 00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:28,940 the PGA or from comfor to come out and take a look and make sure that we're 355 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,050 getting the white kind of treatment because we'd hate to get those wasted 356 00:38:30,740 --> 00:38:37,790 Spruce Creek by the way country club did the same exact grass when they did their 357 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:42,140 course about seven years ago now and when they did the two nines they did one 358 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,710 nine and then did a second night the first night they did they lost because 359 00:38:44,330 --> 00:38:49,250 they didn't know what they were doing didn't do it correctly didn't maintain 360 00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:53,119 it correctly and ended up having to redo it I think they've learned now because 361 00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:56,300 their course their third grains frankly in a better condition right now but 362 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,530 they're you know four years older than I was 363 00:38:56,599 --> 00:39:02,990 it does take a while for that to mature the last thing in Ethel and the next 364 00:39:02,030 --> 00:39:08,740 thing I wanted to talk to you about there was a handout that you all should 365 00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:14,990 have gotten a little two pager which were down at the bottom where there's a 366 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:20,030 green see where talks about total rounds and paid rounds this is a report that 367 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:24,230 comes from Kemper each month back to the city and the questions came up with well 368 00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:28,630 total rounds and paid rounds you mean there's 570 rounds of 369 00:39:26,289 --> 00:39:32,349 unpaid I mean that's kind of what it looks like when you look at those 370 00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:35,019 numbers well as it turns out if you go to the next page that's really not the 371 00:39:34,269 --> 00:39:41,949 case out of those 570 rounds the legacy and 372 00:39:39,579 --> 00:39:49,839 pass holders which they're about 40 or so of those left are included in the non 373 00:39:46,809 --> 00:39:53,019 paid rounds even though they make an annual payment to the course but that's 374 00:39:51,729 --> 00:39:58,660 amortized and therefore they don't include that for whatever reason it as a 375 00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:03,309 part of that calculation the one that we didn't know about that I was totally 376 00:40:00,249 --> 00:40:08,410 unaware of is golf now the agreement with golf now who is an online booking 377 00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:17,799 agent on the internet some of you may have used it gets for free rounds a day 378 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:22,929 in exchange for Cypress head being able to use their online booking system so 379 00:40:21,249 --> 00:40:29,349 it's a barter arrangement I'll give you for free rounds you know you and and we 380 00:40:25,689 --> 00:40:34,329 get to use your your booking system what surprised me was Kemper doesn't have a 381 00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:40,209 national account of golf now every individual course negotiates their own 382 00:40:36,369 --> 00:40:43,929 deal with yeah that was my luck too with golf now and they said because it's 383 00:40:42,099 --> 00:40:47,589 different depending on location it's different to California than it is in 384 00:40:45,459 --> 00:40:52,359 Illinois than it is in Florida and so each course is responsible for doing 385 00:40:49,539 --> 00:40:55,689 that on their own the suggestion to the general manager for Cypress head was 386 00:40:54,039 --> 00:41:00,400 let's make sure we're getting the value out of that agreement if you're giving 387 00:40:57,789 --> 00:41:03,669 up four rounds a day are you getting the activity are you getting the use out of 388 00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:06,880 them that you should have so there's got to be a give-and-take there let's make 389 00:41:05,529 --> 00:41:10,269 sure that we're not on the short end of that and that we're getting value for 390 00:41:08,619 --> 00:41:13,569 what you're receiving so he's going to look at that and see whether or not they 391 00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:17,019 can determine how much business are they really getting through golf now and is 392 00:41:15,339 --> 00:41:23,979 it worth it to give up those four rounds every day the other one is is now and 393 00:41:21,939 --> 00:41:26,739 that's about 160 rounds a month and then the employees the benefit of working 394 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,949 there they get some free golf and it's about a hundred miles a month so when 395 00:41:28,479 --> 00:41:34,519 you look at that it's like well you're going to be 570 rounds 396 00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:40,279 now you're really given maybe 100 at most and so it's really a misnomer I 397 00:41:37,789 --> 00:41:44,180 asked them why is it reported that way and they said well that's the way the 398 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:48,769 city wants it that's why I don't know who the city is exactly whether you all 399 00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:51,890 made that decision or Parks and Recreation made the decision or whatever 400 00:41:50,180 --> 00:41:55,039 but we asked them can you not or I'd like to ask them if you can't break it 401 00:41:53,269 --> 00:41:58,789 out so that we can understand exactly what you're doing how much we're giving 402 00:41:56,809 --> 00:42:03,079 you know how much is legacy and past holers how much is really going to golf 403 00:42:00,979 --> 00:42:06,410 now and how much is really the employees playing so that's something that's going 404 00:42:05,749 --> 00:42:11,979 to come on okay yes that's a good point yeah it 405 00:42:10,339 --> 00:42:15,440 just you know yeah it you know you Devils in the details and sometimes you 406 00:42:14,359 --> 00:42:20,779 just get lost and look for the summarization like that me excuse me 407 00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:25,400 what's like mayor has consensus on that I'd like to ask the city manager asked 408 00:42:22,729 --> 00:42:31,670 Bob to get on his neck briefing to us to cover that topic and that discussion 409 00:42:27,739 --> 00:42:36,739 with them as well agreement we'll check the contract as well make sure they were 410 00:42:33,529 --> 00:42:41,989 all it's not a contractual issue but they're sure yep we'll figure it out 411 00:42:39,019 --> 00:42:46,519 this is honestly the kind of stuff we have advisory boards for to bring this 412 00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:52,999 kind of stuff though good catch okay good thing they also completed the golf 413 00:42:50,449 --> 00:42:56,089 course financial audit was was done and they found no material issues which is 414 00:42:54,709 --> 00:43:00,529 good to hear that all the economy records seem to be in place and again 415 00:42:58,249 --> 00:43:04,339 weather has been a constant problem we continue they have a lot of rain lot of 416 00:43:02,299 --> 00:43:07,489 cold as you know there's a lot of elderly who play at that course they 417 00:43:06,049 --> 00:43:11,299 won't play if it's been raining or if it's part path only and that happens 418 00:43:09,289 --> 00:43:16,549 almost every time it rains there's a curt path only problem and temperatures 419 00:43:14,959 --> 00:43:19,239 have been up and down a lot but it looks like it's getting a lot better in the 420 00:43:17,539 --> 00:43:24,949 house that's all I got anything yeah 421 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:33,410 start with Jack now I'm just going to ask on the year-to-date over 25,000 422 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:38,569 actual below budget I can walk below budget 50 for the 423 00:43:35,209 --> 00:43:41,430 25,000 short right for 2018 this is not comfort 424 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:45,750 this is the Advisory Committee mr. Boozman committee yeah they're looking 425 00:43:43,260 --> 00:43:49,380 at the budget yeah yeah Bobcat when he does his presentation okay this should 426 00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:54,210 come into the city I assume everybody gets a chance to see this if they care - 427 00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:59,480 yeah yeah usually in our agenda packet the day that's ours but it's you know 428 00:43:56,820 --> 00:44:02,540 it's like a 50 page packet in here yeah thank you 429 00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:12,470 that's why I was didn't know that's all thank you I was glad to hear it was 430 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:17,850 mentioned of course condition it's bad it's a bad I've ever seen and yeah the 431 00:44:15,210 --> 00:44:22,710 years golfing yeah it's it's you know I had multiple phone calls from random 432 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:27,990 people and friends up in golf with four years and I went down and rode through 433 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:32,250 there I've never seen it like that since I've been golfing there since the 90s 434 00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:35,520 that reminded me of indigo Lakes when I stopped golfing there the Pelican Bay 435 00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:42,120 when I stopped golfing there well it's not too late to get it hang on it but if 436 00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:48,450 we don't man shame on us so I'm glad to hear you guys recognize that because tea 437 00:44:44,130 --> 00:44:51,810 boxes work well bad yeah the Greens that as I've ever seen it those are the two 438 00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:56,940 areas that a real is no worse conditions the two boxes and the grains we spent a 439 00:44:54,330 --> 00:44:59,820 lot you spent a lot of money fixing those greens out three years ago and 440 00:44:58,230 --> 00:45:06,350 they don't want to see that you know go down a poop chute so to speak I think 441 00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:12,120 there's certainly some that are okay these are redoing but there's a scene in 442 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,030 serious trouble and we do need to make some corrective action to make sure that 443 00:45:13,650 --> 00:45:17,810 they get it taken care of it and tee boxes frankly there's no excuse for 444 00:45:16,530 --> 00:45:24,150 those being in the condition through fairways rough is pretty normal for that 445 00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:28,530 course fairway wasn't as bad as I expected it to be after seeing a few of 446 00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:33,090 the greens I was a little a little bit more the greens us yeah a little day but 447 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:37,320 command those greens and in the boxes any you know and you're trying to drive 448 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:40,340 people to play the course and they start playing someplace else 449 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:48,960 that's what I'm freedom yeah yeah yeah cuz there's too many courses in the area 450 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:52,830 but any good anything else sorry that's what happens coop I'm good Sturridge 451 00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:57,890 yeah thanks Richard okay thanks uh might have 452 00:45:55,710 --> 00:46:03,690 might have had an errant shot on Saturday that your house or the mayor 453 00:46:00,570 --> 00:46:08,099 might have one going straight I was wrong I will share with you though that 454 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:13,050 a lot of positive feedback on the course from the group Saturday than the 455 00:46:10,109 --> 00:46:17,820 tournament okay and I think and the weeds thing is not necessarily unique to 456 00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:20,970 us I think a lot of the area courses are really struggling because a lot of the 457 00:46:19,619 --> 00:46:24,990 time that they would have had this winter to really get on top of the weeds 458 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:29,160 we got inundated with a lot more rain than normal and that kind of hampers the 459 00:46:27,330 --> 00:46:33,390 weed effort from what I understand but I know that they're aware of it but a lot 460 00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:40,380 of positive feedback the new carts look great yep staff did a nice job running 461 00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:44,010 Saturday that put us in a pretty positive light with a lot of folks and 462 00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:47,280 was a great turnout yeah what weather was really good and so yeah well 463 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:52,619 certainly be asked what mr. Duquette about course and the dam but I tell you 464 00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:58,080 what few things here and there but the the the the fairways I agree that the 465 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:03,390 fairways actually we're in pretty good shape yeah some of the green we didn't 466 00:47:00,089 --> 00:47:15,540 spend much time on them but yeah the sides of the fairways so much shorter 467 00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:19,920 course in the middle thanks for the report words okay tell about the snakes 468 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:27,030 in the swamp yeah Scott was hit them straight and again right straight to the 469 00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:33,990 left you know next item is golf advisory board appointments some gentleman named 470 00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:37,530 Richard Lee wants to be reappointed Jane Taylor wants to be reappointed we happen 471 00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:42,900 to have two openings and no other applicants so counsel what would you 472 00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:48,150 like to do move to reappoint second you have a motion in a second to repoint 473 00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:52,530 richly and jane taylor any comments counsel they're doing a fabulous job 474 00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:54,740 don't want to stand up and talk us out of it 475 00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:58,370 call the roll 476 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:09,870 yes yes yes yes yes five Oh preciate your service 477 00:48:08,250 --> 00:48:13,860 praises the public hearing course of the meeting second reading of ordinance 478 00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:21,710 number 2019 - 9 which is amending the section 2 - 186 through 2 - 189 relating 479 00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:26,940 to administrative officials the ordinance number 29 2019 - 9 is an 480 00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:29,730 ordinance of the City Council the city of Port Orange Volusia County Florida 481 00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:35,700 mending and restating the Code of Ordinances section 2 - 186 through 2 - 482 00:48:32,850 --> 00:48:39,920 189 inclusive relating an administrative official regulations requirements 483 00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:44,550 employment termination rights benefits compensation and evaluations providing 484 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:48,240 for complication providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances providing for 485 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:54,570 severability and providing for an effective date blue to prove wardens 486 00:48:50,160 --> 00:49:03,590 number 2 0 1 9 - 9 second we have a motion to second council comments no 487 00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:09,660 comments we should speak to this one there being none back to us last body to 488 00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:19,730 the apple gentlemen being none call the roll 489 00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:24,090 yes yes yes yes yes five Oh I'm 18 a second reading of ordinance 490 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:30,480 number 2019 - ten amending the cease regulation of dangerous dogs ordinance 491 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:33,690 number 2019 - ten is an ordinance of the city of Port Orange Volusia County 492 00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:38,580 Florida men in chapter 10 section 10 - 3 code ordinances to revise the definition 493 00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:42,090 of dangerous dog amending section 10 - 9 Code of Ordinances regarding the 494 00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:47,100 confinement requirements for dangerous dog amending providing for repeal of 495 00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:51,210 conflicting ordinances providing for severability and providing an effective 496 00:49:48,960 --> 00:50:00,420 date move to approve ordinance number 2 0 1 9 - 10 second we have a motion a 497 00:49:55,050 --> 00:50:03,020 second council comments anyone here care to speak to this 498 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:17,460 there being none last bite of the Apple good call the roll 499 00:50:07,819 --> 00:50:22,079 yes yes yes yes yes second reading of ordinance number 2019 - 13 which is 500 00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:29,309 amending chapter 2 article 6 section 2 - 2 7 . local ordinances and finance 501 00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:31,589 ordinance number 2019 - 13 is an ordinance of the city of Port Orange 502 00:50:30,299 --> 00:50:37,230 Volusia County Florida amending chapter 2 article 4 division 2 section 2 - 2 7 3 503 00:50:35,339 --> 00:50:41,069 relating to finance purchase and sale procedures providing for catification 504 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,819 providing repeal of the conflicting ordinances providing for severability 505 00:50:43,019 --> 00:50:52,230 and providing for an effective date moved approval wardens number 2 0 1 9 - 506 00:50:47,609 --> 00:51:02,190 13 I'll second we have a motion we have a second council comments anyone here 507 00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:11,450 care to speak to this being none any other closing comments there being none 508 00:51:04,529 --> 00:51:21,119 up here call the roll yes yes yes yes yes brings us the regular agenda items 509 00:51:16,460 --> 00:51:24,150 resolution 19-8 is a transfer of 0.84 state wetland mitigation Bank credits 510 00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:29,039 for the city of Port Orange Police Department Range and training facility 511 00:51:26,029 --> 00:51:31,829 resolution number 19 - 8 is a resolution of the city of Council of the city of 512 00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:36,720 Port Orange Florida Volusia County Florida approving transfer 0.84 state 513 00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:39,990 wetland mitigation credits from the Port Orange wetland mitigation Bank 514 00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:44,509 authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute any and all required documents 515 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:50,369 on behalf of the city Port Orange and providing for an effective date motion 516 00:51:47,130 --> 00:51:56,190 to approve resolution 1938 I'll second that you have motion a second who's 517 00:51:53,759 --> 00:52:03,230 presenting the resolution mayor I can address that tonight okay 518 00:51:57,950 --> 00:52:10,420 this resolution provides for the transfer of just less than one credit so 519 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:15,309 0.84 mitigation credits for the st. Johns River Water Management 520 00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:21,010 District you do have a wetland mitigation Bank approved with st. John's 521 00:52:17,769 --> 00:52:27,910 there is no additional cost to the city in order to transfer these credits upon 522 00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:31,690 approval of the resolution the credits will be allocated to this project so it 523 00:52:30,339 --> 00:52:40,720 can move forward with its proper permitting council comments questions 524 00:52:35,789 --> 00:52:45,369 all I know is that dating back to the end of 2010 525 00:52:42,339 --> 00:52:49,750 when I first came on council we were talking about this training facility 526 00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:53,260 recent rain down and we were talking about it when you guys came on council 527 00:52:51,309 --> 00:52:58,900 yeah we've been talking about when you guys came on council and we're this 528 00:52:56,410 --> 00:53:03,849 close to actually having it go out to bid so that's going it's taking a long 529 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:08,019 time yes this one is moving at the speed of government it seems like but we are 530 00:53:06,369 --> 00:53:16,619 this close I can't wait to see it in reality we're here to hear to care to 531 00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:16,619 speak on this resolution come on up 532 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,040 so 533 00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:34,280 Savannah Weaver Port Orange mayor council I am in 100% support of the 534 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:41,030 police getting a training facility and range safety of our community is very 535 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:49,460 important and I understand the need for continuing education but I let's not 536 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:55,710 ignore the importance to conserve our land especially to prevent contamination 537 00:53:53,040 --> 00:54:01,410 to our water supply in filling in wetlands wetlands are among the most 538 00:53:59,310 --> 00:54:07,290 productive ecosystem in the world next to rainforests and coral reefs humans 539 00:54:03,780 --> 00:54:14,840 depend on a complex set of relationships between wetland and watershed they 540 00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:24,210 naturally provide flood protection and improve our water quality bullets 541 00:54:21,630 --> 00:54:30,510 contain a variety of material including lead copper zinc and many more these 542 00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:34,830 materials sink into soil and contaminate animals water and soil in the 543 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:39,030 environment around the range blood poisoning causes a variety of 544 00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:45,630 developmental delays and neurological issues and will cost millions to clean 545 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:52,380 up I'm not asking you not to build the facility and range just to be smart when 546 00:54:49,110 --> 00:54:59,090 developing and to reconsider placing a range on wetlands if you will not 547 00:54:55,620 --> 00:55:03,840 consider placing the range on wetlands what will will be what will we be doing 548 00:55:01,770 --> 00:55:08,970 to clean up these contaminants and ensure our water stays clean conserving 549 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:15,360 our land has been one of the top concerns I have been hearing from voters 550 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:20,340 I have been surveying along along my campaign trail if we're going to 551 00:55:18,030 --> 00:55:27,240 continue taking our land for development we also need to be giving back what we 552 00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:32,970 take from our beautiful vulnerable land we need to invest back into our land 553 00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:41,770 thank you thank you any other anyone else back to Council 554 00:55:38,850 --> 00:55:49,210 Scott grew give her toward the ring yeah chase good no the comments NER real real 555 00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:55,750 quick I I think it would behoove the city to have the candidate toward the 556 00:55:53,220 --> 00:56:01,630 reclaim Lakes to see what we've done to pay forward our our wetlands and we'll 557 00:55:59,020 --> 00:56:05,530 make that arrangement with our Public Utilities Director public works director 558 00:56:03,220 --> 00:56:10,180 to make sure she gets out there and and sees what we've done to pay forward what 559 00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:15,450 we're about to do gonna do that I'll extend all of them absolutely thank you 560 00:56:12,340 --> 00:56:28,990 yeah because you'll enjoy that absolutely call the roll 561 00:56:18,930 --> 00:56:33,480 yes yes yes yes yes 5 o resolution 19-9 is Parks and Recreation partnered fees 562 00:56:34,290 --> 00:56:41,290 there we go resolution 19-9 is a resolution in the 563 00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:46,140 City Council the city put orange Volusia County Florida establishing revised 564 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:50,260 providing for repeal establishing revised missing a word 565 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:57,550 there it looks like providing for repeal of conflicting resolutions and providing 566 00:56:52,060 --> 00:57:05,080 an effective date move the proof resolution number 19 - 9 o second we 567 00:57:01,450 --> 00:57:08,290 have a motion we have a second Susan was saying good evening mayor and council 568 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:13,090 Susan of all Parks and Recreation Director what's before you tonight is 569 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:18,160 our fee resolution it appears before you once or twice a year the item that was 570 00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:22,570 this was brought to you back in January however we had had some workshops with 571 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,720 our partners as well as our Parks and Rec advisory board and I want to thank 572 00:57:24,010 --> 00:57:30,430 both groups for the time that they have given over the past four months 573 00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:37,660 discussing these items and what's before you tonight so basically what the board 574 00:57:34,090 --> 00:57:41,890 advisory board had brought up was looking at increasing their fee for the 575 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:47,049 annual fee that they pay the city for the uses or their fields 576 00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:50,440 in order to try and work our way to get in line with a 30% cost recovery that 577 00:57:48,910 --> 00:57:55,000 the council has asked the Parks and Rec Department to recover with the talks and 578 00:57:53,079 --> 00:58:00,789 and how we move through things we came up with some different models and the 579 00:57:58,059 --> 00:58:08,369 board has recommended that we we raise their fee from 4,000 a year to 6866 580 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:14,230 in that there was also some talk about reducing the field usage or cost 25 581 00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:18,279 percent and we've run through some of those those models staff agrees with the 582 00:58:17,049 --> 00:58:22,779 board's recommendation to raise that annual partner fee to 6866 583 00:58:20,349 --> 00:58:26,650 and provide the frequent user free for groups that are not a partner but tend 584 00:58:25,029 --> 00:58:31,480 to use our fields frequently at a discounted rate of $11.22 per hour that 585 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,930 does not include the lights they would be worse field setups so they would have 586 00:58:33,309 --> 00:58:39,910 to pay those fees yes sir is that sorry for the interruption just 587 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:46,630 want to get it is that 6866 per team or all or per organization correct per 588 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:53,589 partner report I will I will point out that that two of our groups did not meet 589 00:58:51,759 --> 00:58:58,029 our residency requirement nor did they meet the requirement for having port 590 00:58:56,019 --> 00:59:03,190 orange in their name which is required by our code in those groups right now 591 00:59:01,150 --> 00:59:09,579 are paying as they go at our current rate of $20 an hour is what we charge 592 00:59:05,470 --> 00:59:13,240 for their bills so so I want to point that out and I've attached I'm sure you 593 00:59:11,769 --> 00:59:18,210 are well versed in this I've attached all the information in the minutes to 594 00:59:15,099 --> 00:59:24,970 the meeting the groups are here tonight I'm sure that some of them would like to 595 00:59:20,170 --> 00:59:27,910 speak on this and in councilman miles was the chairman of the parks ranking 596 00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:34,329 board when this was discussed so he'll have some insight also yes sir but we 597 00:59:31,690 --> 00:59:38,470 are here for any questions again I do want to thank the groups it was some 598 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,980 long meetings and they really put forth a lot of good effort and good input and 599 00:59:40,569 --> 00:59:45,490 really helped guide us as a department so I definitely want to thank our 600 00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:48,539 advisory board and the members of our partnerships to get us to where we are 601 00:59:48,099 --> 00:59:55,999 today thank you we started this and Jack 602 00:59:51,299 --> 01:00:02,549 questions for season four comments the just a comment real quick good any 603 00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:09,329 public participation but one of the things that Susan pointed out is in 604 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:15,929 order to get to the number we derived at which is what's being proposed tonight 605 01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:21,419 the 25% reduction has to happen otherwise that number would be much 606 01:00:18,299 --> 01:00:26,579 higher instead of what will be 841 per hour would be 1122 so we've made a lot 607 01:00:24,509 --> 01:00:30,900 of concessions I think the Parks and Rec advisory board came up with a lot of 608 01:00:28,259 --> 01:00:34,769 concessions to try and accommodate these groups without putting too much of a 609 01:00:32,669 --> 01:00:38,429 burden on them but getting it somewhat in line so we can talk about that in 610 01:00:36,539 --> 01:00:43,169 more detail but no real questions for Susan 611 01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:54,179 chase no that was my only question I think yeah I'm sure we'll come back oh 612 01:00:47,509 --> 01:00:58,589 yeah looking at a reduction of 25% like practice time or is this and overall 613 01:00:56,939 --> 01:01:05,009 it's not going to affect games and things is it is it just the practice on 614 01:01:00,659 --> 01:01:09,809 the fields due to scheduling or so so yeah so that's that's the topic so the 615 01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:15,599 advisory board was interested in looking at a 25 or 25 percent reduction in field 616 01:01:12,509 --> 01:01:20,309 or cost okay so in order to try and bridge the gap after our meeting in 617 01:01:17,459 --> 01:01:23,609 October we we pitched the idea that maybe we can reduce our cost by 25 618 01:01:22,049 --> 01:01:27,929 percent and raise our fees a little bit in order to get to the number that the 619 01:01:25,229 --> 01:01:31,739 board wanted to look at that doesn't necessarily mean reduction in field 620 01:01:29,819 --> 01:01:35,249 space okay so there's some items that our partners do for us that could be a 621 01:01:33,779 --> 01:01:40,469 cost avoidance for us having to hire additional people to help us with some 622 01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:45,749 of the field space so so we're relooking at some of that um you know I think I 623 01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:51,119 think my staff does a really good job managing the fields and making sure that 624 01:01:48,779 --> 01:01:55,150 we stay within the integra keeping the integrity of those fields and making 625 01:01:53,249 --> 01:02:04,720 sure our programs are scheduled in and then working with our partners okay 626 01:02:00,060 --> 01:02:07,780 I just there's a lot of work that goes into something like this and I can't 627 01:02:06,070 --> 01:02:12,100 reshape the effort and and and the toilet staff as well as members of the 628 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:17,500 community and our advisory boards put into looking at this this is probably 629 01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:21,790 one of those fluid topics that's always gonna be there and always be something 630 01:02:20,290 --> 01:02:27,550 to keep an eye on as things change certainly the cost of maintaining our 631 01:02:25,090 --> 01:02:33,430 facilities and doing things like that is continuing to increase as well as demand 632 01:02:30,490 --> 01:02:36,460 and use and stuff like that one particular thing and I think I've 633 01:02:34,540 --> 01:02:42,520 commented on this in the past but I just did not happier on board with is the 50% 634 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:47,730 residency I just think that numbers way too low 635 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:53,710 we taxpayers of Port Orange significantly overwhelmingly offset the 636 01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:58,270 cost yet we're having a residency rate that's in my opinion just far too long I 637 01:02:56,620 --> 01:03:04,690 mean I think it should be 80% to be honestly I don't mind having a certain 638 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:08,890 margin I get that other communities have that as well so you know residents from 639 01:03:06,790 --> 01:03:13,930 one community can go to another but there's very few communities especially 640 01:03:10,930 --> 01:03:19,210 here in Volusia County that can provide the amount of programs and facilities 641 01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:24,610 and space and things like that that may be Port Orange inform and in Deltona and 642 01:03:21,460 --> 01:03:29,950 a few others can so I just it's just such a low number knowing that the 643 01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:34,510 taxpayers of Port Orange overwhelmingly fund these programs in these facilities 644 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:38,410 and stuff to such a large percentage so it's just always been something that 645 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:42,130 I've wrestled with and I just think that that's a number that needs to be moving 646 01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:46,350 in the other direction especially if we're going to continue to offset such a 647 01:03:44,020 --> 01:03:50,430 large cost these programs and facilities and things 648 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:55,140 like that so I don't know if you know the interesting thing about that is of 649 01:03:53,220 --> 01:04:06,900 course those facilities will be there for our own rec programmable e it's not 650 01:04:04,410 --> 01:04:11,990 offsetting as much as one would actually think because we have to maintain those 651 01:04:08,910 --> 01:04:17,430 fields anyway for our own programs but I we talked about this when we met with 652 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:21,030 the Parks and Rec board we had six partner groups two of them already fell 653 01:04:19,530 --> 01:04:25,860 out because they couldn't meet that requirement but they're not all the same 654 01:04:23,220 --> 01:04:31,080 an organization like Pop Warner you got 120 kids and if you're asking them to 655 01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:35,070 make an 80 percent requirement they might be able to do that even though it 656 01:04:32,550 --> 01:04:40,800 is a regional program but what about the baseball team that has ten kids and 657 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:45,780 you've got seven of a murder residents instead of eight and one kid makes you 658 01:04:43,110 --> 01:04:51,210 fall out so it's very hard when we're trying to put blanket percentages and 659 01:04:48,450 --> 01:04:56,190 blanket procedures and apply them uniformly when all these sports are so 660 01:04:53,760 --> 01:05:01,140 different in it and I agree with you III think it should be predominantly poured 661 01:04:58,380 --> 01:05:03,360 onto residents and if we already had some fallout because of that then so be 662 01:05:03,090 --> 01:05:09,300 it if they're gonna co-sponsor with us but 663 01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:13,700 that's just that's a very difficult thing when you're we start playing with 664 01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:20,430 that number and if we were a community significantly less size than what we are 665 01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:24,480 and it wasn't a large base of you know youth to get involved in these different 666 01:05:22,290 --> 01:05:27,420 programs I would understand that but in a school and in a community it's got ten 667 01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:31,230 public schools five of which are elementary schools we've got plenty of 668 01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:37,290 kids and youth to be involved in our athletics in our city so and they are 669 01:05:33,570 --> 01:05:44,310 they are and they are just just a couple of comments to your point partners 670 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:49,590 currently are utilizing about 37% of filled space time on the fields cost 671 01:05:47,550 --> 01:05:58,140 recovery under our current program is five point seven percent as Susan 672 01:05:52,500 --> 01:06:04,980 pointed out rec is 30% cost recovery our rec program of course collecting 30% 673 01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:11,250 our average partner ratio and residency currently is 66 percent so some of the 674 01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:15,840 clubs have a much higher participation percentage of residency's than others 675 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:20,370 some of them are going to make the cut but to your point the taxpayers are 676 01:06:17,580 --> 01:06:28,500 going to subsidize those non-residents to a larger degree under this particular 677 01:06:23,570 --> 01:06:35,610 plan reducing their usage by 25 percent and trying to get to a 30 percent cost 678 01:06:31,140 --> 01:06:38,700 recovery would generate instead of one hundred nine thousand dollars which at 679 01:06:37,470 --> 01:06:42,900 thirty percent would be a hundred nine thousand dollars to the city from our 680 01:06:40,770 --> 01:06:48,120 partners it would reduce it to eighty two thousand dollars so at fifteen 681 01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:55,410 percent which is what's being proposed by Susan's in the advisory board would 682 01:06:52,830 --> 01:07:00,030 get a start in the right direction but we'd only generate thirty eight thousand 683 01:06:57,090 --> 01:07:05,880 dollars so we've gone from what should was a hundred nine thousand down to 82 684 01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:12,830 to only collecting 80 to only collecting thirty eight thousand dollars 685 01:07:08,750 --> 01:07:17,480 you know club clubs aqualified need to meet the standard guidelines by 686 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:23,010 name or New Jersey providing insurance financials you know a regular basis and 687 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:26,490 I would say you know they need to do that as far as the name is so forth and 688 01:07:24,810 --> 01:07:34,380 in business name and also on their patch on their jersey but also what they 689 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:38,930 decided was that it would be financials regularly in rosters as well 690 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:46,160 the rec program is growing at such a large rate right now I think you have 691 01:07:43,819 --> 01:07:51,410 another program coming online where more fields are going to be you need to be 692 01:07:47,569 --> 01:07:57,410 utilized and with the stress of the partners is taking up fuel space so rec 693 01:07:55,190 --> 01:08:02,660 kids aren't able you're going to be able to participate to the degree that they 694 01:08:00,109 --> 01:08:11,180 were the only other couple points I'd like to make is that there is an 695 01:08:08,029 --> 01:08:14,869 opportunity for those clubs to generate more income and I think we've welcomed 696 01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:19,460 that because if you look at our revenue over the past years our revenue is going 697 01:08:17,270 --> 01:08:26,929 up from fulfilled rentals in Jim rentals - in 2014 of $85,000 it's down to 698 01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:30,049 $48,000 right now and the reason it's down is because we haven't had the 699 01:08:28,190 --> 01:08:34,819 fields to rent we've been doing the partnership thing another reason it's 700 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:38,330 down is because we have not done quite as many tournaments as we've done in the 701 01:08:36,350 --> 01:08:43,179 past but that's a great opportunity for our partners to get on board with doing 702 01:08:41,449 --> 01:08:49,190 tournaments and generating income because a lot of them in charge of you 703 01:08:45,710 --> 01:08:52,790 know parking fee fee for you know the club's is coming in play so there's a 704 01:08:51,350 --> 01:08:56,540 great opportunity there to generate the money but if you break it down by player 705 01:08:54,830 --> 01:09:04,730 on those teams we're really talking about eight dollars and forty one cents 706 01:08:59,060 --> 01:09:09,890 where the REC kids are paying $16 to play so it's 50 percent of what a rec 707 01:09:06,980 --> 01:09:13,040 player would be I think this is a very good start in the right direction but I 708 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:18,199 think we're going to have to address this again because of the cost factors 709 01:09:16,130 --> 01:09:23,330 that it costs to run this facility I think you'll see it moving - probably 710 01:09:20,839 --> 01:09:30,560 proposed 15% this year 20% next 25% the following year and then 711 01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:34,219 the 30% at least with maybe a higher participation rate so I think that's 712 01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:40,210 something we need you know the council needs to start thinking about but I 713 01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:40,210 think this is very generous and very 714 01:09:40,250 --> 01:09:47,330 you know trying to not push anybody out the door but be very fair and equitable 715 01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:53,390 for all and that's the tough part because it we have to be fair to the 716 01:09:50,779 --> 01:09:56,480 taxpayer but we can't break these teams in the process of getting there so we 717 01:09:55,310 --> 01:10:00,110 can or not yeah and that we have to be very mindful that 718 01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:03,620 that's part of the reason why I said all these teams are different they have 719 01:10:02,030 --> 01:10:10,130 different needs they react differently the the size the size of the programs 720 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:16,310 are very different and but yet somehow we have to come up with a uniform 721 01:10:11,989 --> 01:10:20,930 standard that works and that is a very very tough job well in particular when 722 01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:25,670 you if we don't offer one like Pop Warner I can't take that in the same 723 01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:31,250 league as everybody as some of the others which we do offer baseball we do 724 01:10:27,949 --> 01:10:37,790 offer softball we do offer a number of other sports so I'd be tough to apply 725 01:10:34,250 --> 01:10:42,500 uniformly however I am in agreements you know I'm looking at two hats here but 726 01:10:41,150 --> 01:10:46,940 daughter that plays with the panther organization is stellar program I see 727 01:10:44,780 --> 01:10:51,710 coach over there I do a wonderful job as a parent I know where I lie its accounts 728 01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:58,460 Minh I got to look at the the fact that our Parks and Rec are paying more than 729 01:10:54,680 --> 01:11:01,310 our private organizations are if that is indeed what the numbers are saying now 730 01:10:59,810 --> 01:11:05,120 when they bring in contributions if the numbers add up where it's balancing out 731 01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:09,590 then all right we take that a consideration but I feel comfortable 732 01:11:08,180 --> 01:11:15,920 moving in the direction that we're going to move right now I'll have more to say 733 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:22,640 later one one quick comment these partners do a lot for the city in terms 734 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:27,250 of kids playing we value everything they do and I think we were trying to 735 01:11:25,340 --> 01:11:32,650 demonstrate that through this proposal but at the same time if they bring money 736 01:11:30,469 --> 01:11:40,270 in to a field and make an improvement that improvement is not just taken 737 01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:44,660 lightly we reimburse them through non-payment you have to value it 738 01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:47,820 absolutely good about you when it said they're totally real 739 01:11:45,450 --> 01:11:52,350 verse four that the value that give us so or to give to the city so let's hear 740 01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:58,650 something before we hear from the public are there any questions for Susan oh no 741 01:11:55,710 --> 01:12:04,140 questions no comments questions yeah I wanted to ask about the the time 742 01:12:01,430 --> 01:12:08,520 availability on the fields visit have you seen an uptick in it is it is it 743 01:12:06,090 --> 01:12:14,040 loosened up I get calls from both sides I can't get one then I see a drama by 744 01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:22,320 fields wide open so I I'm curious as to what what's looking like so right now is 745 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:26,760 the worst time of year okay we're in our baseball softball season we have all of 746 01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:35,670 our partners who are trying to have space for their practices and games we 747 01:12:31,170 --> 01:12:40,110 also I wish you wish you could spend some time with Josh and Hannah the chart 748 01:12:38,670 --> 01:12:47,670 that they can't move that fast the Charter schedule everybody the nuances 749 01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:52,610 are some of the groups don't have their schedules for their games until late we 750 01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:59,250 try to do our scheduling a month out some groups we get rain right so some of 751 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:04,500 the groups were actually starting to schedule in rain dates so that that they 752 01:13:02,430 --> 01:13:06,600 can be able to have those set days but if they do get rained out during the 753 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:11,250 week no me they have a Saturday or Sunday so we're working with our groups 754 01:13:09,180 --> 01:13:15,390 to try and figure that out but we've also had south wind Soccer Complex was 755 01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:21,030 down for an entire year you know just due to the turf we rotate 756 01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:26,700 people so sometimes when you see a field empty it's because maybe we had soccer 757 01:13:24,660 --> 01:13:30,840 up there for the last six weeks in the field is just destroyed the parks crew 758 01:13:28,830 --> 01:13:35,149 has to come in they have to top dress air rate and as you know Bermuda grass 759 01:13:33,420 --> 01:13:40,280 does not grow until the time we get about 60 degrees all the time so 760 01:13:38,689 --> 01:13:43,399 Bermuda grass is not grown so you out there and do whatever we need to do to 761 01:13:41,539 --> 01:13:50,679 those fields you can't make grass grow and temperatures that it doesn't grow in 762 01:13:46,449 --> 01:13:54,320 so we try to rotate fields we try to keep the integrity of those fields so 763 01:13:52,969 --> 01:14:01,579 that we're not coming to you every year and saying we need to resize these 764 01:13:56,989 --> 01:14:07,369 fields at $100,000 a field you know I I've been here for 16 years the fields 765 01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:11,300 at City Center the original turf is on that field Bermuda grass breaks down 766 01:14:09,619 --> 01:14:16,129 after about ten years you should be resigned so the more that the turf 767 01:14:13,519 --> 01:14:22,119 breaks down the more maintenance it's going to take to keep it up and the more 768 01:14:18,349 --> 01:14:26,659 wear and tear it's gonna affect it so but we get it right it's a balance we go 769 01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:30,739 through the budget every year we understand and and our guys work really 770 01:14:28,849 --> 01:14:37,209 hard so that we don't have to have that big ask but we are getting to that point 771 01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:42,619 where our field usage is so saturated certain times of the year there's other 772 01:14:39,139 --> 01:14:46,760 times the year that it's not and that we're gonna run into these problems as 773 01:14:44,929 --> 01:14:50,800 our programs go as these new housing developments and apartments come on 774 01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:57,590 they're gonna come with kids those kids these programs you know which could be a 775 01:14:56,269 --> 01:15:01,399 good problem could be a bad problem I'm not sure yet but those are things we're 776 01:14:59,659 --> 01:15:06,619 trying to plan for we're trying not to be reactive we're trying to be proactive 777 01:15:03,619 --> 01:15:11,780 and that's why sometimes you might see a field empty or something like that a 778 01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:19,909 while ago I made a suggestion and asked if we could get a quote for re clean the 779 01:15:17,059 --> 01:15:24,679 field with some real quality stuff you know things out that think rains for ten 780 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:31,729 minutes we're done for the next five days I would in your opinion would that 781 01:15:28,519 --> 01:15:39,019 make a huge difference and we got the clay at Spruce Creek raising 912 a.m. 782 01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:44,159 for 912 p.m. we're ready to play at 4 o'clock mm-hmm so 783 01:15:42,059 --> 01:15:49,320 so there's a lot of things right clay mixtures come in all different makeups 784 01:15:46,409 --> 01:15:54,840 the old man friggin your junior colleges colleges usually play like an 80/20 we 785 01:15:51,809 --> 01:15:59,369 have 80% klay Thompson San those fields are tarp they're covered more clay you 786 01:15:57,510 --> 01:16:04,949 have less the water will go through it when we built the fields at crossing the 787 01:16:03,630 --> 01:16:10,050 Phil that was used underneath those fields came from the well field the 788 01:16:07,170 --> 01:16:15,360 ponds you know so there were some savings cost savings in the budget at 789 01:16:11,610 --> 01:16:20,940 that time which you know the fields at city center or built on top of a dump 790 01:16:17,059 --> 01:16:24,659 okay so when you build a field there's a lot that has to happen and where we 791 01:16:23,340 --> 01:16:28,739 build our fields for recreational use that has been at least what I've been 792 01:16:26,969 --> 01:16:32,460 understood is how we maintain you maintain to the recreational user we 793 01:16:30,570 --> 01:16:36,300 don't maintain to the high school we don't maintain to the college we don't 794 01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:42,360 maintain to the minor leagues we maintain to unless that changes that's 795 01:16:37,980 --> 01:16:48,599 at least been our marching orders as you get more clay in less sand it requires a 796 01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:53,460 lot more maintenance when I get too much sand problem I'm hearing now is that 797 01:16:50,610 --> 01:16:59,670 some more fields are too sandy sand helps percolate the water which helps us 798 01:16:55,679 --> 01:17:04,679 get fields going faster some some crews are are real big on using the diamond 799 01:17:02,670 --> 01:17:08,579 dry you know that kitty litter type stuff you're on the fields our 800 01:17:06,449 --> 01:17:14,760 maintenance department is comfortable with a certain bag I think it's five 801 01:17:10,260 --> 01:17:18,420 bags free back on the field and the reason is is we can't get it off so 802 01:17:16,260 --> 01:17:23,340 guess what when we stop having rain it dries the fields out and they become as 803 01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:26,760 hard as concrete again we maintain to the recreational user which is the kid 804 01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:31,440 who maybe has never played ball before we don't want the ball ricocheting off 805 01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:35,849 the hard end field and hitting someone in the head I'm always nervous with some 806 01:17:33,179 --> 01:17:39,869 slides in at home yeah so one of the things we did go to is also keep in mind 807 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:44,309 and we need to wrap this partner because this is not germane to the topic that 808 01:17:41,670 --> 01:17:48,560 we're discussing but we did do clay bricks at all of our home plates which 809 01:17:46,130 --> 01:17:53,179 now cross the I thinks at the 10-year mark and they're not being mean earlier 810 01:17:49,940 --> 01:17:57,290 than we put it so it's it's a balance it's definitely a balance based on our 811 01:17:54,920 --> 01:18:00,770 budgets and based on on what were what we're maintaining - everybody's 812 01:17:58,790 --> 01:18:05,870 different any other questions for Susan before we go to the public and we'll 813 01:18:03,020 --> 01:18:12,550 come back to us you're off the hook for now thanks Susan we would like to speak 814 01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:18,710 to this anyone anyone at all I don't let's come on up do me a favor 815 01:18:15,710 --> 01:18:22,670 you all get three minutes each come on up what I would ask is since there are 816 01:18:20,510 --> 01:18:28,250 multiple people wanting to speak just be in the ready position so that when one 817 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:31,250 person's done we can move on to the next and do me a favor when you come up 818 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:41,230 introduce yourself and tell us who you're with I am a president 819 01:18:55,670 --> 01:19:02,610 relationships I also try to find different community events for our 820 01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:06,870 players to take part in our mission statement we are nonprofit our mission 821 01:19:04,710 --> 01:19:10,199 statement is to help our players grow through the sport of volleyball if they 822 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:14,930 get to college and get scholarship that's great but it's really to grow and 823 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:20,250 develop them as individuals so we differ Rachael do me a favor pull that mic what 824 01:19:18,150 --> 01:19:23,880 everybody out there okay so we do have a mission statement and it's to grow 825 01:19:21,660 --> 01:19:27,920 through the sport of volleyball and I'm sorry mr. Stiltner but I beg to differ 826 01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:32,310 it is very hard to keep that 50 percent we are competing with for-profit 827 01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:36,960 volleyball clubs and we cannot afford and nor will we as a board member waste 828 01:19:34,830 --> 01:19:41,370 our money flooding the schools with flyers so we work very hard I work very 829 01:19:39,660 --> 01:19:45,390 hard in my spare time trying to develop different relationships to get children 830 01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:49,230 out the other thing you guys do such a great job with your recreational program 831 01:19:47,219 --> 01:19:54,480 in the summer that we get whole teams of new sumona players coming over and that 832 01:19:52,050 --> 01:19:59,160 is not our fault you guys just do such a great job that kids from other areas are 833 01:19:56,820 --> 01:20:02,880 coming to you know do your programs and then they want to continue to play and 834 01:20:00,930 --> 01:20:09,210 competitive volleyball and they play with us which is great also a lot of 835 01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:13,469 these families spend probably 3 to 5 days a week and the city of Port Orange 836 01:20:11,190 --> 01:20:18,449 and that's no lie and they come we have some from DeLand New Smyrna Edgewater 837 01:20:15,780 --> 01:20:22,199 and they spend probably hundreds to thousands of dollars a week if you think 838 01:20:20,010 --> 01:20:27,630 about groceries or oil changes or tires and again that's no lie we have some 839 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:33,060 parents here that can attest to that we also meet the 50 percent guidelines 840 01:20:30,710 --> 01:20:37,350 which we're very proud of we work hard this past year we tend not to brag about 841 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:42,989 ourselves but this past year we participated in the port orange parade 842 01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:47,850 we are also at the Family Days we also fund raised I'll have to look at my list 843 01:20:44,940 --> 01:20:51,750 because we did a lot we just recently donated clothes for women and children 844 01:20:49,860 --> 01:20:56,969 to the Children's Home Society at Christmastime we donated clothing to 845 01:20:54,570 --> 01:21:01,170 Healthy Start in Daytona and they distribute to families mostly homeless 846 01:20:58,890 --> 01:21:05,520 women and children around the county we also donated at Christmastime food to 847 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:08,469 family support orange elementary because there were no other 848 01:21:06,489 --> 01:21:13,170 openes that were stepping up once we did there were other companies but we did 849 01:21:10,420 --> 01:21:18,760 pull together and we've done other events as well 850 01:21:15,730 --> 01:21:22,719 we also are limited to six to seven months to two other programs that we 851 01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:27,039 always step aside for and we are so thankful to the city and the recs 852 01:21:24,849 --> 01:21:32,050 everybody at the Rec is so wonderful to our parents we love them and we actually 853 01:21:29,739 --> 01:21:37,150 almost feel like we're definitely part of the city of Port Orange we have our 854 01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:42,400 15 you team is actually ranked number 26 in the state and if any of you have any 855 01:21:41,050 --> 01:21:45,849 questions I'll be more than happy to meet you for coffee if you have 856 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:51,489 questions about how we can all grow together but please take into 857 01:21:47,769 --> 01:21:59,949 consideration that thank you thanks Rachel good evening guys 858 01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:03,159 mayor council my name is Mike Bellis I'm a director of the Port Orange baseball 859 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:08,889 club however I'm the director of the girls division I direct all of the teams 860 01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:12,880 and I coach three of the teams if you recall I was the coach of our state 861 01:22:11,019 --> 01:22:17,949 championship team that represented Port Orange in the state and also into the 862 01:22:15,340 --> 01:22:22,749 world series this year we took two teams down to Puerto Rico for a trip down 863 01:22:19,869 --> 01:22:25,239 there representing Port Orange I just want to say first and foremost that our 864 01:22:24,309 --> 01:22:28,869 city relationship with our Parks and 865 01:22:27,070 --> 01:22:36,400 Recreation is at an all-time high it's phenomenal they work hard they work 866 01:22:32,289 --> 01:22:41,409 to get us what we desire we Bend they Bend we get asked to participate we 867 01:22:39,550 --> 01:22:46,389 participate we get asked to move our times we move our times we asked for 868 01:22:43,809 --> 01:22:51,610 some things from them and more times than not we get everything we asked for 869 01:22:47,769 --> 01:22:55,960 they are phenomenal okay so getting into the participation our goal was a hundred 870 01:22:54,070 --> 01:23:00,610 percent Port Orange participation and one of the things on the girls side we 871 01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:03,460 have a very high rate participation for what we're finding out is when the 872 01:23:01,989 --> 01:23:08,530 families at no choice if their children are moving away they do not want to 873 01:23:06,010 --> 01:23:14,349 leave so the kids still travel back here a lot of West Volusia and it's not 874 01:23:10,650 --> 01:23:17,749 Outsiders coming in these are old ex Port Orange residents that do not want 875 01:23:16,719 --> 01:23:22,579 to give up the connection what friends their teams their coaches in 876 01:23:19,999 --> 01:23:26,989 their community so real quick I'm an accountant I live in the numbers okay I 877 01:23:25,009 --> 01:23:31,789 understand the numbers I understand the budgets I understand there's one line 878 01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:35,719 item that I believe that I have not heard tonight I've not heard in any of 879 01:23:34,039 --> 01:23:40,429 our meetings in our conversations and that's the investment in the kids we 880 01:23:38,389 --> 01:23:46,339 cannot put a number on what these kids are getting they're off the streets 881 01:23:42,859 --> 01:23:51,769 they're investing in our other teams we have girls coaching younger teams these 882 01:23:48,469 --> 01:23:55,279 children are becoming something because of what we do because of all of our 883 01:23:53,569 --> 01:24:01,399 volunteer time that we put in that there's no line item that's going to 884 01:23:57,769 --> 01:24:06,049 ever cover the payback that we're going to receive from these children being a 885 01:24:03,289 --> 01:24:11,019 part of this community the sense of community that they have that they bring 886 01:24:07,849 --> 01:24:16,969 I'm very very proud when an ex-player that goes to college calls me up and 887 01:24:13,609 --> 01:24:20,269 says coach can I take a team and it just it's phenomenal 888 01:24:17,929 --> 01:24:23,269 there's not going to be a line item no matter what chart we use and what chart 889 01:24:21,859 --> 01:24:27,949 we look at that the investment in the child and what it will do a payback in 890 01:24:25,519 --> 01:24:33,379 the community compared to any line any percent any red mark whatever we all 891 01:24:30,979 --> 01:24:37,719 want to we budget we go over our budgets constantly and all we want to do is make 892 01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:42,439 sure the kids have somewhere to play and they love to play here the families love 893 01:24:40,969 --> 01:24:47,659 it we've come from nothing we come up the girls side has come from one team 894 01:24:44,449 --> 01:24:52,099 with eight girls six seven teams hundred kids and the travel feeds the rack the 895 01:24:50,329 --> 01:25:02,689 rec feeds the travel it is a true partnership Thank You mayor council 896 01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:08,929 thanks for having me I'm Tim Moore I've grown up in Port Orange and I've enjoyed 897 01:25:05,359 --> 01:25:13,549 playing sports throughout my childhood in to second when he just said I really 898 01:25:12,979 --> 01:25:19,879 can't second that enough growing up having new 899 01:25:16,399 --> 01:25:24,799 sports keeping you playing team sports rather than in doing anything else I 900 01:25:23,329 --> 01:25:27,409 mean it was my favorite thing absolute favorite thing growing up and I think 901 01:25:25,969 --> 01:25:34,070 that's what you need to ask yourself are are you for or against youth sports 902 01:25:31,219 --> 01:25:40,730 because if you're gonna increase the fees by 50% or more you're saying here 903 01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:48,350 against it and what I'm hearing is just missed opportunities at getting that 904 01:25:44,060 --> 01:25:51,830 financial to connect you know just you don't just go to the the partners and 905 01:25:50,090 --> 01:25:56,780 say hey you want you know we need 50% more you know the way I see it the deal 906 01:25:54,199 --> 01:26:01,670 was there's a lot of gem time not being used you know here's a partner that says 907 01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:05,840 we'll pay you X amount of dollars for this much gem time and you make the deal 908 01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:10,699 and and now you want to say you know we need more money we need 50 percent more 909 01:26:07,699 --> 01:26:16,120 money and you know that's not how I do I I can't do business like that you know 910 01:26:14,030 --> 01:26:21,949 my customers wouldn't put up with that but to support youth athletics is the 911 01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:25,670 most important thing in this area because there is not a lot of good 912 01:26:23,630 --> 01:26:29,930 opportunities a lot of good options in this area especially no offense but what 913 01:26:28,699 --> 01:26:38,810 you guys offer to the Portland recreation is is the low level the very 914 01:26:36,020 --> 01:26:43,190 lowest level of experienced for these kids and when you start stepping it up a 915 01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:46,670 notch and up a notch you know I have a 13 year old daughter who loves 916 01:26:44,420 --> 01:26:51,110 volleyball and she wants to play volleyball at Silver Sands and they have 917 01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:55,460 a varsity team she's not good enough to make the team the one season that you 918 01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:59,650 guys do for Portland's volleyball the porns recreation which is two months 919 01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:05,030 long does not cut it I asked the Athletics that supervisor over there he 920 01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:09,050 said there no in media plans to have any more seasons for volleyball but a 921 01:27:06,980 --> 01:27:12,650 two-month season is not enough my daughter wants to play high school 922 01:27:10,250 --> 01:27:17,930 volleyball and in a club like this gives sort of the opportunity to get college 923 01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:23,949 scholarships and in that investment and the kids is the absolute main thing so 924 01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:31,730 to to support any kind of increase in this is terrible decision because throw 925 01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:34,880 some more tournaments on the weekend if you want to make a few extra thousand 926 01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:40,370 dollars I had to just drive to Orlando I paid $10 admission for me and my family 927 01:27:37,310 --> 01:27:43,130 each person you know it's the money's there 928 01:27:40,940 --> 01:27:47,360 you just have to there's better ways to get it then because it's already almost 929 01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:53,030 out of reach by the time you have paid coaches paid time it's very expensive if 930 01:27:51,410 --> 01:27:59,780 you want to help your kids get to the next level and in Port Orange does not 931 01:27:57,290 --> 01:28:08,510 offer enough opportunities and POV is filling that gap thank you thanks to no 932 01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:12,260 stranger I'm Mike tomorrow president porins baseball club I'm well versed on 933 01:28:11,060 --> 01:28:18,560 this topic I'm on the Parks and Rec board me and Jack fought for hours on 934 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:23,150 this I'm just here to say I know the rate increase I know you know it has to 935 01:28:20,330 --> 01:28:28,550 go through my only fear is new club starting like the tennis programs clubs 936 01:28:25,100 --> 01:28:32,750 that don't have the membership we do the bigger clubs are able to absorb these 937 01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:37,640 membership issues and me and Jack have discussed this these membership issues 938 01:28:35,150 --> 01:28:43,070 you know when you you have 200 participants it's easy a rate change is 939 01:28:40,370 --> 01:28:46,160 not gonna kill a organization but when an organization and I know when we 940 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,340 started out we had six players you know we showed up the first day put orange 941 01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:52,220 you know we were down to six people I don't know what volleyball started out 942 01:28:50,780 --> 01:28:55,640 with eight people you got the tennis program with 12 943 01:28:53,330 --> 01:29:00,890 that's my only cautions we need to look into somehow coming up with a cost way 944 01:28:58,220 --> 01:29:04,940 for smaller clubs they don't use as much field so they don't use but you don't 945 01:29:02,690 --> 01:29:08,960 send where we can still make it because like they're saying the recreation to a 946 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:12,590 point gets these kids so far but when the kids want that extra you know part 947 01:29:11,210 --> 01:29:15,740 of the city should be for us to give them that extra I'd give them the 948 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:20,480 opportunity to get that extra so that's my caution on it is I don't want to 949 01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:24,380 price everyone out we're little organizations cannot start you know like 950 01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:28,010 we started I don't want to see someone not be able to come behind me doing the 951 01:29:26,300 --> 01:29:33,280 same thing we did start with a small organization and build it up so thank 952 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,280 you appreciate 953 01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:45,550 hello i'm chelsea nichols i'm a resident of portland and had been for 14 years 954 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:49,990 my daughter currently plays for port orange volleyball prior to that she was 955 01:29:47,380 --> 01:29:53,440 at the port orange ymca and then went over to the rack and worked with josh 956 01:29:51,550 --> 01:29:58,090 and hannah throughout their program for a couple of seasons it got to the point 957 01:29:55,330 --> 01:30:02,740 where i noticed she was not doing as well in growing as a volleyball player 958 01:30:00,490 --> 01:30:08,560 at that point i knew she needed to go to a competitive club um unfortunately I'm 959 01:30:05,860 --> 01:30:12,250 a single parent and sometimes that was just out of reach for me 960 01:30:09,580 --> 01:30:16,630 so in Port Orange came around and they offered you know partnerships community 961 01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:21,340 partnerships where my daughter and I'd go out every season we hit businesses 962 01:30:20,050 --> 01:30:25,780 and let them know that we are a nonprofit organization 80% of this you 963 01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:29,920 know partnership that we get goes directly to my daughter's volleyball 964 01:30:27,790 --> 01:30:35,980 account which in turn helps me pay for it you know and Port Orange volleyball 965 01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:41,440 is cheaper than a lot of the volleyball clubs here in Volusia County and even 966 01:30:38,260 --> 01:30:47,170 Seminole County and they are constantly out there doing their job to promote not 967 01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:50,740 only their club but the city itself you know I mean Josh and Hannah know those 968 01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:54,670 girls walk in there these little girls look at him and they know who they are 969 01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:58,150 they have no problem volunteering with their club or just saying hey do you 970 01:30:56,140 --> 01:31:04,090 need help I'll come help you coach these kids or you know help train or do 971 01:31:01,540 --> 01:31:08,650 classes with them portal arms volleyball is very about you know all about the 972 01:31:05,830 --> 01:31:14,350 community and in order to stay that way they keep their fees low so single 973 01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:18,190 parents parents who you know have you know families I have two working parents 974 01:31:15,460 --> 01:31:21,970 can still afford to live and get their kids involved in sports and stay active 975 01:31:20,410 --> 01:31:28,860 in the community and essentially keep them out of trouble thank you very much 976 01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:28,860 thank you 977 01:31:30,110 --> 01:31:37,070 hello good afternoon and thank you for the time for giving us the opportunity 978 01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:44,449 to speak here today my name is Samuel green I am a resident of the city of 979 01:31:40,849 --> 01:31:52,520 Edgewater formerly a resident of the city of Port Orange currently looking to 980 01:31:48,110 --> 01:31:56,300 be a resident again okay now I you might hear from my accent it might come out 981 01:31:54,409 --> 01:32:00,619 when I get a little excited and I'm not from originally from here but I am a US 982 01:31:59,449 --> 01:32:04,449 an American sounds like a port orange accent it 983 01:32:02,059 --> 01:32:12,020 sounds like a port I'm Jesse okay right but so I grew up in in Kingston Jamaica 984 01:32:08,630 --> 01:32:17,090 and it's a different environment there competitive sports weren't necessarily 985 01:32:14,030 --> 01:32:22,790 on the dossier for someone for all kids to participate in a lot of programs that 986 01:32:19,790 --> 01:32:28,309 are evolved were from based based primarily out of schools and and what 987 01:32:26,329 --> 01:32:32,090 you'll find if you go down to Jamaica in the month of April you'll see you saying 988 01:32:30,199 --> 01:32:35,270 boat running our own on a blue track down there right 989 01:32:33,380 --> 01:32:42,710 but track and field cricket some other sports are there I say that to say this 990 01:32:39,309 --> 01:32:48,349 organized sports here in this particular city have provided an opportunity that I 991 01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:52,639 didn't have for my kids and all of us want for our children to do better and 992 01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:59,270 have more opportunities than we had for ourselves right and so coming to this 993 01:32:55,909 --> 01:33:04,059 country coming to this city when I came here to fly airplanes at 994 01:33:01,940 --> 01:33:10,579 embry-riddle Aeronautical University having received three degrees from that 995 01:33:06,380 --> 01:33:15,199 University know I set my sights on doing things that can better the children 996 01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:22,040 around me I've coached individuals for 10 years at the U at the YMCA and now 997 01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:26,360 when we're looking for an opportunity to step our game up we look for an 998 01:33:24,050 --> 01:33:31,849 organization or several organizations I have three children that are competitive 999 01:33:29,239 --> 01:33:37,969 or in competitive sports we looked around hard and fast and we found that 1000 01:33:34,969 --> 01:33:43,220 Port Orange volleyball fit the bill not only just for competition but for 1001 01:33:40,849 --> 01:33:47,420 character when you talk about growth through the sport of volleyball it means 1002 01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:53,930 more than just technique it means more than just winning it means more than 1003 01:33:50,360 --> 01:34:01,520 just showing up and showing off it means being a person that can commit and to a 1004 01:33:57,830 --> 01:34:04,490 community to others and help them grow you've heard a little bit about what 1005 01:34:02,900 --> 01:34:11,090 port and volleyball is done in the community I have about 30 seconds left 1006 01:34:07,580 --> 01:34:14,390 but I have three children I said two girls play volleyball at Port Orange 1007 01:34:12,830 --> 01:34:18,470 volleyball so you can imagine that the bill gets a little expensive and if it 1008 01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:23,330 weren't for the opportunity to offset those costs through the way that this 1009 01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:27,980 club has has structured it it would be a little bit difficult and unbearable my 1010 01:34:25,970 --> 01:34:34,250 third kid plays here involved in in soccer in this city as well so we spend 1011 01:34:30,710 --> 01:34:37,160 a lot of time here in this city thank you I know my times up but I appreciate 1012 01:34:35,450 --> 01:34:45,500 the time thank you for hearing me out thank you good evening I'm Mike sample 1013 01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:50,300 I'm a resident Creek Water Boulevard here in Port Orange I have two daughters 1014 01:34:48,380 --> 01:34:54,500 that play volleyball for Port Orange volleyball I just happened to be 1015 01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:58,550 flipping through my phone last night and going through some old photos with my 1016 01:34:56,180 --> 01:35:05,600 oldest daughter and looking at how she played when she played YMCA ball right 1017 01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:10,010 next door just two years ago and the level of athletics that has increased of 1018 01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:15,110 my daughter's from their participation in this sport has been incredible just 1019 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:20,030 remember as porterage residents we just went through a tax increase and I 1020 01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:24,980 realized that there are always expending uh increases in expenses that we have to 1021 01:35:22,370 --> 01:35:30,140 offset but this is almost a 60% increase in what our user fees will be for using 1022 01:35:27,290 --> 01:35:34,490 the gym here and I think that's just really really steep I think we need to 1023 01:35:31,790 --> 01:35:37,940 look at how much of a jump that is not that we don't shouldn't be paying a 1024 01:35:36,350 --> 01:35:42,080 little bit more but I think any place that we're increasing by 60% is a 1025 01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:44,750 tremendous jump and especially when we're increasing and then we're 1026 01:35:43,190 --> 01:35:47,770 decreasing the amount of time that we're going to 1027 01:35:45,130 --> 01:35:52,870 to use it so I I get less practice time for my kids to be there and make the 1028 01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:55,750 most of that money a lot of things that some of the people said here we're very 1029 01:35:54,219 --> 01:35:59,440 true that I'd even think about you know a lot of our teammates come from 1030 01:35:57,460 --> 01:36:02,830 Edgewater New Smyrna they'll come up for practice drop the kids off they'll eat 1031 01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:07,989 at the local restaurants we'll go do our grocery shopping in the area it does 1032 01:36:05,020 --> 01:36:10,870 benefit the the city and you know my daughter today signed up for her classes 1033 01:36:09,639 --> 01:36:15,340 at Spruce Creek and what she's really looking forward to is going from playing 1034 01:36:13,150 --> 01:36:19,449 Port Orange volleyball to playing at Fort oranges high school at Spruce Creek 1035 01:36:17,230 --> 01:36:24,130 and really making a name for herself there so that's all I'm asking is really 1036 01:36:22,270 --> 01:36:28,659 look at the size of this a jump and and take that into consideration for US 1037 01:36:26,710 --> 01:36:32,710 taxpayers you know we do make up more than 50 percent of the team and it feels 1038 01:36:31,449 --> 01:36:36,760 like it's a double hitting we're getting hit with an increased tax rate and an 1039 01:36:35,110 --> 01:36:39,540 increase in user fees at the same time thank you 1040 01:36:42,620 --> 01:36:48,550 good evening my name is sean holmes I'm a Poteau inch resident as well and what 1041 01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:52,930 is that subdivision actually my neighbor I wanted to come up I know a lot of the 1042 01:36:51,260 --> 01:36:56,030 different sports have been represented president for the board for the port 1043 01:36:54,950 --> 01:37:02,060 arms youth football and cheer Association we probably have one at a 1044 01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:05,890 larger number of kids that volunteer in this community most of our kids are Port 1045 01:37:04,220 --> 01:37:11,300 Orange kids unless they receive a waiver for some reason that's approved that 1046 01:37:08,690 --> 01:37:16,910 allows them to play football a cheer for our teams with that being said my only 1047 01:37:13,970 --> 01:37:20,810 concern with it my son plays he's been playing he's been five years old he's 1048 01:37:18,770 --> 01:37:25,250 now turning ten and he's been playing ever since is that we are we face 1049 01:37:24,350 --> 01:37:28,790 different challenges so with football as you know we have 1050 01:37:26,660 --> 01:37:33,080 equipment usage with some of the concerns with concussions and things 1051 01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:36,800 like that almost on a yearly basis we have to make some changes to our helmets 1052 01:37:34,940 --> 01:37:41,470 and our shoulder pads and things like that so this year for instance we had to 1053 01:37:38,690 --> 01:37:45,890 spend somewhere up was close to almost $30,000 because we have to replace all 1054 01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:51,230 of our helmets because they're now out of regulation at a minimum almost every 1055 01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:55,670 three years we have to replace equipment just because of a simple wear and tear 1056 01:37:53,420 --> 01:37:59,540 that goes from practice pants now to gain pants that gets torn up is not 1057 01:37:58,070 --> 01:38:03,260 suitable for the game and of course we want our kids to look presentable 1058 01:38:01,220 --> 01:38:06,980 but more so is to show the pads and the helmets we do have numbers in the 1059 01:38:05,810 --> 01:38:10,700 neighborhood of one hundred and twenty two hundred and thirty kids but we've 1060 01:38:09,110 --> 01:38:16,820 also begin to see a decrease in that number as well we have more competition 1061 01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:21,860 Daytona has about three teams now one is a Pop Warner team they also have two 1062 01:38:18,590 --> 01:38:25,760 teams that are not under Pop Warner as you know the pop one we have a limit on 1063 01:38:23,330 --> 01:38:30,290 the weight to control any kind of injuries with these non-weighted teams 1064 01:38:28,340 --> 01:38:34,370 they don't have that and sometimes their fees are a lot less than ours because 1065 01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:39,080 some of the challenges and regulations but we have to meet they don't have to 1066 01:38:36,290 --> 01:38:43,550 meet those pop one and generalize seen anywhere from a two to five percent 1067 01:38:40,190 --> 01:38:47,150 decrease over the last five years and we also experiencing that as well so we're 1068 01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:50,660 trying to do things a little differently to bring more kids out especially for 1069 01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:54,560 the mature side but the football is really important I played football since 1070 01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,770 I was a kid all the way up to college and 1071 01:38:55,270 --> 01:39:01,150 the leadership skills and their relationships more importantly I develop 1072 01:38:59,140 --> 01:39:03,969 over those years it's very important so please take that into consideration as 1073 01:39:02,980 --> 01:39:07,480 well when you're looking at these increases that some of the costs we 1074 01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:17,860 experience from a football side just from the equipment upkeep and changes 1075 01:39:10,060 --> 01:39:22,960 thank you good evening Lauren valley from Port Orange volleyball ID you heard 1076 01:39:21,010 --> 01:39:27,310 my parents perspective I just wanted to give you some highlights and some other 1077 01:39:24,580 --> 01:39:31,960 things that I didn't hear expressed from some of our supporters tonight 1078 01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:34,300 r17 you they have made the gold bracket two out of three of their tournament so 1079 01:39:33,370 --> 01:39:38,770 far this season the 15 you is ranked as we said 1080 01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:44,650 mentioned earlier they're there in the top 25 of the state of USA Volleyball 1081 01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:48,370 they've also been ranked topped anywhere from third to fifth place playing open 1082 01:39:46,630 --> 01:39:52,660 which is against the toughest competition not only in the state but 1083 01:39:49,930 --> 01:39:56,680 also in the country our 14 you has been placing in the gold in the silver 1084 01:39:55,300 --> 01:40:01,750 bracket they actually just won the silver bracket at a you Super Regionals 1085 01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:06,580 our 12 you first year all Port Orange residents they ranked high one the 1086 01:40:05,230 --> 01:40:11,020 silver bracket in our last tournament top eighth and gold in their first 1087 01:40:08,020 --> 01:40:15,430 tournament our co-sponsors us and our community sponsors we worked 1088 01:40:12,430 --> 01:40:18,790 tremendously together to offset the cost for our kids 1089 01:40:16,290 --> 01:40:22,480 volleyball is incredibly expensive I kind of feel like we're here tonight 1090 01:40:20,710 --> 01:40:28,150 because we keep here in fields and then the gym got pumped into a lot of this so 1091 01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:33,310 I understand both sides we do have to bring in more money to the city at the 1092 01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:38,410 same time we've always been very much willing to work with the the Parks and 1093 01:40:35,230 --> 01:40:42,550 Rec to find ways to do that we recently were just told now when we do host an 1094 01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:46,680 event we can't charge admissions as one of the dad said we drove all the way out 1095 01:40:44,050 --> 01:40:50,800 to Orlando and he's paying $10 a day since we weren't able to do that there 1096 01:40:49,060 --> 01:40:55,660 was some I guess research with the echo grant now we're able to do that I would 1097 01:40:53,440 --> 01:41:00,040 propose kid we host more than just two events in our contract I have no problem 1098 01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:04,180 you know giving that money back into the city that keeps us and my family and all 1099 01:41:02,770 --> 01:41:07,690 of our players from having to go to Orlando into Jacksonville and we'll be 1100 01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:10,140 actually going to Georgia here in April to 1101 01:41:07,980 --> 01:41:14,010 go to Big South to a qualifier those events we can't shy away from because we 1102 01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:17,940 do have some teams that do compete against some of the best teams in the 1103 01:41:15,540 --> 01:41:21,780 nation and that's where we find them but some of our local and regional teams 1104 01:41:19,530 --> 01:41:25,410 that would be a huge savings to our family and also generate more revenue by 1105 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:31,440 bringing in the Jacksonville Orlando teams to us and putting more money back 1106 01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:36,750 into our community we never have turned away a kid any kid that can't afford a 1107 01:41:34,020 --> 01:41:40,200 program per se we do still try to find a way to get training for them we look for 1108 01:41:38,490 --> 01:41:43,800 sponsorships for them we do whatever we can to help them we have kids that are 1109 01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:49,560 also playing beach volleyball we had about 36 kids playing Beach for 1110 01:41:47,370 --> 01:41:53,820 us last year we had some even in the top 10 ranked for us a volleyball as young 1111 01:41:51,810 --> 01:41:57,510 as seven and eight years old most of them are all Port Orange residents just 1112 01:41:55,650 --> 01:42:01,380 like we've met our residency requirement we don't have any current beach courts 1113 01:41:59,820 --> 01:42:07,800 that's something that we're working very you know hard towards they say we need 1114 01:42:04,350 --> 01:42:11,670 about 30 grand so we've got to do a lot more fundraising but those are other 1115 01:42:09,180 --> 01:42:15,720 things that would add to the rec programs we could bring beach volleyball 1116 01:42:13,380 --> 01:42:29,160 boys volleyball things we want to expand upon him thank you for your time yes 1117 01:42:26,940 --> 01:42:36,600 volleyball my name is Erin Greco I'm a mom with Port Orange volleyball I'm a 1118 01:42:33,450 --> 01:42:40,920 nurse in Port Orange as well served in the Army came back to Port Orange we 1119 01:42:39,060 --> 01:42:45,120 love it here and I just want to point out that one of the reasons why we love 1120 01:42:42,660 --> 01:42:51,600 it in Port Orange is the low crime rate our kids you know as they get older 1121 01:42:49,950 --> 01:42:58,950 they'll want to stay in Port Orange raise their families as well so if you 1122 01:42:54,150 --> 01:43:04,110 increase the cost of you know our kids playing for teams like Port Orange 1123 01:43:00,870 --> 01:43:08,490 volleyball it's for the single parents the you know a lot of the parents that 1124 01:43:07,020 --> 01:43:14,520 live in the community they're not going to be able to and I think by them 1125 01:43:12,030 --> 01:43:20,460 playing for these teams the crime rate will stay low they will get off the 1126 01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:26,139 streets get active in in sports and it's just a real 1127 01:43:21,519 --> 01:43:36,969 important integral aspect so just take that into consideration thank you okay 1128 01:43:32,619 --> 01:43:44,590 I'm looking or okay come on come on ball all roads are 607 powers having a poor 1129 01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:52,210 tarnish and as you all know I am running for District one what we're talking 1130 01:43:48,159 --> 01:44:00,280 about here is Port Orange infrastructure that everyone brings up and I'm gonna 1131 01:43:56,409 --> 01:44:10,630 keep this quick we must keep the prices within reach for the parents to keep our 1132 01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:25,929 youth all in the fields and off the streets thank you looking around anybody 1133 01:44:19,929 --> 01:44:34,949 else last call last last call okay back to us start this end this time Scott you 1134 01:44:30,340 --> 01:44:39,340 started at this end last time I remember great great comments great comments by 1135 01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:46,380 everybody everybody brings great great discussion to this topic so to clarify 1136 01:44:42,670 --> 01:44:52,630 my comment about the 50% residency thing my my feeling on that also has that be 1137 01:44:49,989 --> 01:44:59,050 with the low cost recovery so you've got a 50% residency requirement for pro for 1138 01:44:56,380 --> 01:45:02,590 a program or a partnership that yields back less than 10% recovery 1139 01:45:01,059 --> 01:45:06,369 one of the gentlemen Minister mentioned being in business you wouldn't do that 1140 01:45:04,510 --> 01:45:09,969 in business you wouldn't you wouldn't manufacture a product and sell it for 1141 01:45:08,559 --> 01:45:14,019 ten percent of what it cost you to manufacture the product other folks 1142 01:45:12,039 --> 01:45:18,579 talked about the investment in the children in the community I agree 100% 1143 01:45:16,119 --> 01:45:24,150 you know so right now that the taxpayer is making that investment over 90% so 1144 01:45:21,730 --> 01:45:30,070 we're talking about a recreation recovery and our for our recreational 1145 01:45:26,829 --> 01:45:33,610 programs that yield back a 30 percent cost recovery where our private 1146 01:45:32,829 --> 01:45:38,320 partnership grams or less than 10% and so that's 1147 01:45:36,820 --> 01:45:41,860 that's just out of balance that just doesn't work it's not right you know 1148 01:45:40,090 --> 01:45:47,820 what I'm saying and so that's that's like that's one issue a correlation with 1149 01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:53,199 the with the 50% is if we had a higher cost recovery rate than maybe the 50% 1150 01:45:50,710 --> 01:45:59,080 it's not so bad but it's we're at 50% and our cost recovery is less than than 1151 01:45:55,630 --> 01:46:03,610 10% I'm trying to get to 15 or 20 and 30% so that's just to clarify that 1152 01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:08,770 because I know a couple of you mentioned that and so I just wanted to clarify 1153 01:46:04,989 --> 01:46:11,800 that the connection with that we talked a couple of you mentioned budgets you're 1154 01:46:10,570 --> 01:46:17,110 right there's a lot about budgets somebody at the end of the day has to 1155 01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:22,869 pay for the facilities the maintenance the staff all those things in the last 1156 01:46:19,389 --> 01:46:28,840 the last budget year we had a tax increase and that tax increase included 1157 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:32,860 things for Parks and Rec to be able to maintain facilities hire additional 1158 01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:37,590 staff all that kind of stuff so that investment is being made the council is 1159 01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:43,449 making that investment the taxpayers holistically are making that investment 1160 01:46:40,170 --> 01:46:47,409 we've been talking about for years the need to expand our Parks and Rec 1161 01:46:45,219 --> 01:46:53,830 infrastructure somebody's got to pay for it right it's not just gonna happen so 1162 01:46:50,440 --> 01:46:58,030 the the income the revenue is going to have to be acquired to be able to not 1163 01:46:56,050 --> 01:47:03,250 only maintain programs and facilities and organizations and all the things we 1164 01:47:00,699 --> 01:47:06,850 have now but if you want to expand upon that and build that into the future you 1165 01:47:05,469 --> 01:47:11,170 have to have a budget you have to have a plan of how you're going to do that I 1166 01:47:09,159 --> 01:47:17,409 don't know how you're going to have increased additional cost going up also 1167 01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:21,400 the need the desire to build new facilities which are going to require 1168 01:47:18,909 --> 01:47:26,739 more increased cost and operation and staff and yet continue to have a 1169 01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:33,940 partnership or partnerships that yield back such a low recovery rate with a 1170 01:47:29,530 --> 01:47:36,940 very low residency rate as well so the trick I think there is we're all just 1171 01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:40,810 trying to find the balance and everybody brings great points there's no question 1172 01:47:38,619 --> 01:47:43,869 you know if money wasn't an issue here none of us would be sitting here tonight 1173 01:47:41,949 --> 01:47:48,130 having this discussion but it all is going to come down to 1174 01:47:45,219 --> 01:47:51,190 how you set the fundus and you have to pay for these things and so that's the 1175 01:47:49,449 --> 01:47:55,330 balance and I think that's that's what counsel was trying to do is find the 1176 01:47:53,140 --> 01:47:59,530 balance so we can continue to move our programs and our facilities forward for 1177 01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:07,540 everybody that's using Parks and Rec and also so we can continue to look and how 1178 01:48:01,540 --> 01:48:12,430 do we move forward in the future just in general the investment you spoke about 1179 01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:16,570 the investment and how that correlates back to the benefit of the community and 1180 01:48:13,989 --> 01:48:21,640 lower crime rates I agree I think having more things for our youth to do and our 1181 01:48:19,630 --> 01:48:26,590 families to do and how they get involved in the community is it's it's part of 1182 01:48:24,850 --> 01:48:32,410 the soup recipe if you will right so it's great again it just all boils back 1183 01:48:30,130 --> 01:48:35,350 to how do you get there you still got to get there it's still gonna come down to 1184 01:48:33,850 --> 01:48:39,969 you know building new facilities building new gyms building bigger fields 1185 01:48:38,230 --> 01:48:44,949 more fields all these different types of things and so those costs are very real 1186 01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:49,690 you have to figure out how to get there and because I can tell you that tax 1187 01:48:48,100 --> 01:48:52,630 increases every year is not sustainable that's not gonna be a way to do it 1188 01:48:51,550 --> 01:48:55,989 that's just not gonna happen you can't you just can't continue to do 1189 01:48:54,250 --> 01:49:02,410 that we've we've fallen behind a little bit over the years we've been trying to 1190 01:48:58,660 --> 01:49:05,710 make some gradual catch-up and sometimes things don't always work out great as a 1191 01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:08,890 percentage and sometimes you're better off looking at them as a flat fee you 1192 01:49:07,480 --> 01:49:11,290 know and different things like that and you mentioned being in the numbers and 1193 01:49:10,270 --> 01:49:15,370 you're right there's a lot of numbers involved when you're when you're looking 1194 01:49:12,910 --> 01:49:31,989 at these types of issues so but I truly appreciate everybody's comments and 1195 01:49:17,710 --> 01:49:37,750 suggestions okay I too appreciate the comments and and everybody showing up 1196 01:49:34,180 --> 01:49:43,570 and and you know supporting and speaking on this but you know I tend to agree a 1197 01:49:41,620 --> 01:49:47,900 bit of the councilmen still doing it the current fee is four thousand dollars 1198 01:49:45,570 --> 01:49:54,980 annually for the fee and world and roughly five and a half percent 1199 01:49:50,590 --> 01:49:59,480 that's not sustainable trying to recoup 15% is going to raise the fees 1200 01:49:56,840 --> 01:50:07,070 significantly and we're still you know it there's still a huge variance as to 1201 01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:11,600 what were recoupment now it shouldn't be a hundred percent recouping because I 1202 01:50:09,590 --> 01:50:18,230 mean that just doesn't make sense but with the popularity of Port Orange where 1203 01:50:13,909 --> 01:50:22,580 it's 61 thousand roughly now which is bringing more kids in to do more 1204 01:50:20,540 --> 01:50:29,480 recreational programs and we still have to try to balance is the problem is 1205 01:50:25,940 --> 01:50:36,830 trying to balance the recreational use with the partnerships and and and make 1206 01:50:32,630 --> 01:50:40,670 it all work and I don't know how you do that Josh and them over there with the 1207 01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:45,050 scheduling it's got to just be crazy trying to get everybody scheduled and 1208 01:50:43,429 --> 01:50:51,530 just keeping track of that all it's just mind boggling but people mentioned you 1209 01:50:49,730 --> 01:50:55,790 know the tax rate and we did have a tax increase but if to my knowledge I think 1210 01:50:53,120 --> 01:51:01,370 at four for eight and some change we're still about the third third lowest maybe 1211 01:50:58,730 --> 01:51:05,179 in the county and you know our neighbors I don't know exactly what all the other 1212 01:51:02,780 --> 01:51:10,670 cities are charging for rec fees and I'm sure we're close in line or you know 1213 01:51:07,730 --> 01:51:16,010 fairly similar but they're also bringing in over two more Mills and we are there 1214 01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:21,140 South Daytona Daytona are well over six closer to seven and that's you know 1215 01:51:18,949 --> 01:51:25,610 that's not something where we're going or where we want to go trying to keep 1216 01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:30,440 everything affordable in the balance is the difficult part in this and try to 1217 01:51:28,940 --> 01:51:35,960 make it all work it's just very difficult to provide added programs 1218 01:51:33,170 --> 01:51:39,860 added infrastructure and and Scott's right how are you going to pay for it 1219 01:51:37,550 --> 01:51:47,000 where's the money coming from for either additional land or infrastructure or 1220 01:51:42,340 --> 01:51:51,590 time you can't you can't buy time so it this is a tough one 1221 01:51:48,739 --> 01:51:58,790 I agree it's a it's tough on y'all it's tough on us to chase 1222 01:51:55,849 --> 01:52:05,000 man mm-hmm well I echo I I appreciate also the comments in several you know 1223 01:52:02,469 --> 01:52:10,760 well-respected coaches come up longtime friends I've known for a long time you 1224 01:52:08,630 --> 01:52:14,469 know I and I understand that it's best as anybody about being investment of the 1225 01:52:12,829 --> 01:52:20,750 kids I've been coaching for a long time about 19 years now 10 years right here 1226 01:52:19,099 --> 01:52:24,199 in Port Orange coach at Spruce Creek I'm the current head basketball coach at 1227 01:52:22,429 --> 01:52:27,530 Spruce Creek high I've coached baseball there and I've coached volleyball that 1228 01:52:26,150 --> 01:52:32,719 was there as well and I grew up through this Brett Department I coached travel 1229 01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:39,650 ball competitive leagues in Augusta and Atlanta I completely understand the 1230 01:52:35,989 --> 01:52:45,260 situation and if I were in your position I'd be saying the same thing exactly as 1231 01:52:43,130 --> 01:52:52,219 you are I'd have been in the crowd and frankly as a dad who has his daughters 1232 01:52:50,090 --> 01:52:58,460 come up through here and one went to Puerto Rico and participates it's in my 1233 01:52:54,590 --> 01:53:03,110 best interest to not wave or to not raise any penis it's it would benefit me 1234 01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:11,000 it won't hurt me and I'm a paycheck to paycheck on those tax increase hurt me 1235 01:53:04,849 --> 01:53:15,880 big-time nevertheless I can't look at it from that perspective I have to look at 1236 01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:21,800 it from a budgetary fiscal responsible perspective I don't know you know I 1237 01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:27,349 don't know of any and again there and I agree there is no price tag on the 1238 01:53:23,900 --> 01:53:31,790 investment my issue is that can be said with any any fee waiver any reduction 1239 01:53:29,659 --> 01:53:35,480 that comes before us every time someone comes up and asked for a fee waiver or 1240 01:53:33,829 --> 01:53:39,170 reduction or not to increase something it would be an investment whether it be 1241 01:53:37,159 --> 01:53:45,070 an investment in their church investment in their business investment in their 1242 01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:49,489 nonprofit all sorts of great things question I've got to look at at the end 1243 01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:54,050 of the day is what is our duty what is our role at the local government our 1244 01:53:52,310 --> 01:54:02,270 local government's role is to provide Parks and Rec that's it it's not to 1245 01:53:57,730 --> 01:54:08,050 provide a competitive environment to prepare people for college it's not 1246 01:54:05,740 --> 01:54:14,050 I love it to be that's currently not a role we changed that that mindset then 1247 01:54:11,290 --> 01:54:19,000 we have a different direction and nobody and I don't believe you know with 1248 01:54:16,090 --> 01:54:23,350 respect that wanting to balance our books a little better would indicate 1249 01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:31,360 that we're against youth sports and you know my dad coached going back to 1967 1250 01:54:28,570 --> 01:54:36,790 right here in Volusia County a long time so nobody is more in favor of youth 1251 01:54:34,540 --> 01:54:40,930 sports I have to look at it from the percentage perspective as the city 1252 01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:46,630 government's role in what we're supposed to do how we're supposed to allocate our 1253 01:54:43,060 --> 01:54:52,510 funds and when it comes down to it I don't know of another city around that 1254 01:54:50,140 --> 01:54:56,140 does partnerships like this I just don't know of any there might be a few but I 1255 01:54:54,730 --> 01:55:00,460 just know that when I was in Atlanta coaching a you or gusta and I went to 1256 01:54:58,930 --> 01:55:09,460 City Hall and asked him to partner and subsidize my program at 90% 1257 01:55:03,250 --> 01:55:15,760 they'd laughed me out with that being said I'm still not willing to give up 1258 01:55:11,860 --> 01:55:23,140 our partnership but as councilman Stiltner pointed out and it was in the 1259 01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:27,910 presentation as well if our role is to provide Parks and Rec and our cost 1260 01:55:25,570 --> 01:55:32,770 recover rates 30 percent and a private organization is yielding in 10 percent 1261 01:55:31,090 --> 01:55:38,460 it's out of balance now I'm not interested in raising it up 60 percent 1262 01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:42,480 and pricing people out from the get-go but I think there has to be a balance if 1263 01:55:41,050 --> 01:55:50,920 we're going to partner up and that that's that's we're on that right now 1264 01:55:46,860 --> 01:55:55,180 councilman wiles go ahead jack now first of all I want to thank all the partners 1265 01:55:52,720 --> 01:56:01,640 who came out and met with us at the Parks and Rec Advisory Board they really 1266 01:55:58,540 --> 01:56:06,200 participated heavily and told us all the great things they 1267 01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:09,590 did in the community and certainly getting the girls and the boys the kids 1268 01:56:08,210 --> 01:56:19,910 off the street and bring them to a higher level is you can't really have a 1269 01:56:12,620 --> 01:56:27,260 a more satisfying feeling and doing that as a coach and as a team so certainly 1270 01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:30,590 appreciate all they do but as some of you said I think Scott particularly you 1271 01:56:29,540 --> 01:56:35,660 know what we were looking at was sustainability you know if we continue 1272 01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:38,270 down the path of where we were programs just going to fold 1273 01:56:36,530 --> 01:56:42,560 let me just we just couldn't do it so we're trying to inch it up slowly and I 1274 01:56:40,940 --> 01:56:47,930 think the partners that were there they I know this is painful you know any time 1275 01:56:44,930 --> 01:56:51,110 you raise fees it's painful but I think they understand it's going to have to be 1276 01:56:49,490 --> 01:56:58,310 ratcheted up at least aware the eventually where the Parks and Rec 1277 01:56:55,450 --> 01:57:03,050 participants pay it to 30% and I think that's something just counsel and in the 1278 01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:07,400 Parks and Rec Advisory Board will have to look at at some point again we're 1279 01:57:05,090 --> 01:57:12,200 gonna look at it again I think next next year but the whole point is if you think 1280 01:57:09,950 --> 01:57:15,980 about the $2,800 from a financial standpoint you know that the increase 1281 01:57:13,850 --> 01:57:21,410 you know based on the number of players all of these teams have if you break it 1282 01:57:18,260 --> 01:57:24,800 down from a financial standpoint you're really talking about the lowest number 1283 01:57:23,300 --> 01:57:29,450 of players that we have which is I think 273 players and Port Orange volleyball 1284 01:57:27,170 --> 01:57:34,360 and believe it's where you guys have how many yeah two seventy three seventy 1285 01:57:35,290 --> 01:57:42,110 seventy okay take seventy into the 2800 and that's what it's going to cost each 1286 01:57:39,620 --> 01:57:46,909 player per year so it's about what is that forty four forty bucks 1287 01:57:45,100 --> 01:57:53,800 right so about 40 bucks a player so you know 1288 01:57:50,810 --> 01:57:57,050 looking at 40 bucks of player annually that's what it really breaks down to so 1289 01:57:56,030 --> 01:58:00,290 that's what we're really talking about 2,800 dollars sounds like a lot of money 1290 01:57:58,940 --> 01:58:05,480 but when you break it down per players 40 bucks when you take the largest group 1291 01:58:02,750 --> 01:58:10,639 and break it down it's really only $30 per player so I mean I think parents to 1292 01:58:09,530 --> 01:58:14,929 get their kids to play at a higher level certainly I coach for 12 years I coach 1293 01:58:13,219 --> 01:58:19,790 you know competitive ball for a number of years with a pleasure fast pitch we 1294 01:58:18,409 --> 01:58:23,989 had to go out and raise money through sponsorships and we did that on a 1295 01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:28,340 regular basis the girls you know they went out and raised money and then you 1296 01:58:26,690 --> 01:58:32,659 know porks our parents subsidize where they could too so you know it can work 1297 01:58:31,310 --> 01:58:38,120 it's just going to take a little more work I think and we've got it guys I 1298 01:58:34,699 --> 01:58:42,620 think this is a good starting place the Port Orange volleyball you know we 1299 01:58:40,639 --> 01:58:45,230 talked about fields but we need to talk about the gym to which I think Fort Ord 1300 01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:49,429 volleyball brought up I think our gym rates are much higher 1301 01:58:47,020 --> 01:58:54,170 that our field rates but we're charging port orange volleyball Hill rates so 1302 01:58:51,770 --> 01:59:00,940 they're getting a break of about 25 about 75% of what the gym rate is so 1303 01:58:57,260 --> 01:59:06,620 they're already getting a large discount compared to the fields so just putting 1304 01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:12,980 everything in perspective I think this is a good first start first wipe edit 1305 01:59:08,980 --> 01:59:18,440 hoping that we don't lose any partners we certainly value everything you guys 1306 01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:22,070 do and certainly value you know teaching our kids here in Port Orange 1307 01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:27,320 particularly you know sports at a higher level so they can compete bring back 1308 01:59:24,199 --> 01:59:31,580 trophies there is one caveat to this I would like to see you guys do more 1309 01:59:29,630 --> 01:59:37,489 turning tournaments here in Port Orange because there is a huge economic impact 1310 01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:41,330 to that so if you can work it out where you can get some fuel time a part of 1311 01:59:39,889 --> 01:59:45,980 your time that you have and do tournaments you can generate a lot of 1312 01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:51,900 income have an economic impact to the city in and make some money 1313 01:59:50,250 --> 01:59:55,800 for the organization so you can do more travel and put the girls up in hotel 1314 01:59:54,179 --> 01:59:58,590 rooms and the guys up in hotel room so when you go play tournaments you can pay 1315 01:59:57,179 --> 02:00:03,800 that tournament fee and do a lot of things and you can pay this slight 1316 02:00:01,739 --> 02:00:08,310 increased but tournaments is the key most tournaments so thank you for all 1317 02:00:06,690 --> 02:00:15,989 you do and we appreciate appreciate your in 39 this is difficult for me for a lot 1318 02:00:13,110 --> 02:00:20,520 of reasons certainly I've been on the fields with my kids doing Pop Warner 1319 02:00:18,420 --> 02:00:29,580 with baseball and the like and it wasn't that long ago despite what some people 1320 02:00:23,699 --> 02:00:35,340 think with my impending birthday last year was probably the toughest from a 1321 02:00:33,570 --> 02:00:42,540 budgetary standpoint that I went through in years and a lot of that had to do 1322 02:00:40,650 --> 02:00:46,710 with the eleven million dollars that we spent on 1 hurricane the 8 million 1323 02:00:44,850 --> 02:00:52,770 dollars we spent on another hurricane and those blue giant holes in last 1324 02:00:49,980 --> 02:00:57,449 year's budget and yet somehow we wanted to at least hold the line on the 1325 02:00:55,290 --> 02:01:01,500 services that we provide across the board for our citizens not just Parks 1326 02:00:59,219 --> 02:01:07,560 and Rec Public Safety and the like all those things are important and this is 1327 02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:14,550 tough for me because I also recognize that while we need more cost 1328 02:01:12,179 --> 02:01:19,860 participation so we're not going back to the taxpayers one more time I just can't 1329 02:01:18,690 --> 02:01:26,190 do that after what we've done in the last couple years I also realized that 1330 02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:30,660 if we go too far with it we can break some people's backs so we have to be 1331 02:01:28,350 --> 02:01:35,969 very careful staying where we are was not the answer as far because it just 1332 02:01:33,090 --> 02:01:44,580 wasn't fiscally responsible for us but we have to consider the total impact of 1333 02:01:40,350 --> 02:01:49,590 these programs because quite frankly if those programs don't exist and we do 1334 02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:53,580 break their back those we still have to maintain those fields they we still own 1335 02:01:51,210 --> 02:01:57,960 them and we have absolutely yeah and that actually creates a cost for us so 1336 02:01:56,280 --> 02:02:00,739 that's a consideration as well this is a tough one for me 1337 02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:10,190 we have to be do this in a fashion that's going to be sustainable and we 1338 02:02:07,460 --> 02:02:15,620 have to do it in a fashion that's fair to the taxpayer we have to be fair to 1339 02:02:13,190 --> 02:02:20,870 the teams involved because we can't go too far no matter what our needs are I 1340 02:02:17,900 --> 02:02:25,840 don't want to be unfair to them but this is a terrific balancing act but I'm not 1341 02:02:23,630 --> 02:02:31,790 just doing this I want you all to know my consideration is goes beyond just 1342 02:02:29,270 --> 02:02:36,409 what the impact of these programs are on our kids and Parks and Rec is important 1343 02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:42,350 as that is I'm taking a look at the entire budgetary process the entire 1344 02:02:38,780 --> 02:02:47,120 impact on the community it all matters we can't just consider this one thing it 1345 02:02:44,810 --> 02:02:51,350 all matters and that and that it's very it's very difficult it's very tough we 1346 02:02:49,550 --> 02:03:02,080 have to balance that as a council and and that's what our responsibility is 1347 02:02:55,270 --> 02:03:11,500 any other comments council call it vote yes yes yes yes No 1348 02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:11,500 for one 1349 02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:22,460 resolution 19 - 10 authority to reserve and transfer 7.0 to federal wetland 1350 02:03:19,970 --> 02:03:32,390 mitigation Bank credits for reclaim Lakes projects motion to approve 1351 02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:38,960 resolution merited I clicked off applause yeah I did that was here we 1352 02:03:36,500 --> 02:03:42,700 also need the other motion and Robin signaling I know I got you 1353 02:03:45,250 --> 02:04:03,620 is the updated one on the website so yes to chase resolution the City Council the 1354 02:04:02,390 --> 02:04:07,340 city of Port Orange Volusia County Florida approving the resident 1355 02:04:05,050 --> 02:04:12,590 preservation and transfer of 7.18 federal weapon 703 I was point O 3 1356 02:04:10,850 --> 02:04:16,430 that's the correction area federal wetland mitigation Bank credits for the 1357 02:04:14,450 --> 02:04:20,930 reclaimed lakes project authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute any and 1358 02:04:18,860 --> 02:04:26,410 all required documents on behalf of the city of Port Orange and providing for an 1359 02:04:22,460 --> 02:04:39,260 effective date who'd approve resolution 19 also I'm seeking a motion on the 1360 02:04:37,010 --> 02:04:45,110 approval of the conservation easement that is required by the permit for this 1361 02:04:42,890 --> 02:04:54,040 project we are at the tail end of the project now it began 17 short years ago 1362 02:04:49,780 --> 02:04:54,040 let me get a second on this motion 1363 02:04:55,810 --> 02:05:04,870 second that word no you need a second a motion now you can make this motion and 1364 02:05:02,930 --> 02:05:14,530 that is a motion to approve resolution 1910 which you covered excuse me 1365 02:05:10,830 --> 02:05:19,120 the one that says and to approve the conservation easement for the eighty 1366 02:05:16,990 --> 02:05:28,120 eight point two oh seven acres as required by permit number si J 2002 3473 1367 02:05:25,050 --> 02:05:31,870 mlh and those your amendment supposed to approve everything we wrote Margaret 1368 02:05:29,770 --> 02:05:36,130 that's your appended to the motion yes that's an amendment for the main motion 1369 02:05:33,580 --> 02:05:46,900 now second line that's a second to the amendment to the main motion Margaret 1370 02:05:38,290 --> 02:06:10,330 don't ever ask me that again please it was like it start over yes yes yes 1371 02:06:08,170 --> 02:06:14,740 is that not what we did I made both motions in drew second of motions 1372 02:06:12,430 --> 02:06:18,640 I made a motion to approve the first one and I made them they started jumping the 1373 02:06:17,110 --> 02:06:23,010 gun I stopped it so he can there's a second second that motion then Margaret 1374 02:06:20,710 --> 02:06:32,200 read what we are going to amend that with separate votes two separate motions 1375 02:06:28,600 --> 02:06:38,590 is that what you did is that which is that what your second or twenty I did 1376 02:06:35,710 --> 02:06:46,240 two separate motions okay so we have two two separate motions on the floor who's 1377 02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:49,870 presenting I will present on them okay please 1378 02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:56,260 we are wrapping up the reclaimed lady project as part of the final conditions 1379 02:06:52,450 --> 02:07:03,910 that were required in the permit as originally issued in 2002 we are 1380 02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:10,540 required to pass a resolution probably provided for the transfer mitigation 1381 02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:17,419 credits this is for wetland there is an impact to the wetlands we are preserving 1382 02:07:13,600 --> 02:07:24,860 eighty eight point - 207 acres and the conservation 1383 02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:31,010 easement will cover over that eighty eight point two oh seven acres to 1384 02:07:28,249 --> 02:07:36,860 achieve that protection of additional wetlands for the small amount of impact 1385 02:07:33,949 --> 02:07:42,380 those reclaimed lakes hat so we're kind of a give and take here to get this 1386 02:07:39,349 --> 02:07:48,380 project completed and so that's what the two motions are for tonight so we the 1387 02:07:46,489 --> 02:07:54,079 first motion was the transfer seven of 7.03 wetland mitigation credits in the 1388 02:07:52,130 --> 02:07:58,039 second motion was an execution to recording the conservation easement as 1389 02:07:56,119 --> 02:08:04,399 described that's correct okay and that sorry I just wanted to do 1390 02:08:01,999 --> 02:08:13,130 that to summarize and happy to answer all comments or questions where you want 1391 02:08:10,159 --> 02:08:17,659 to start I'm looking around and I'm not saying any of y'all jumping into the 1392 02:08:15,139 --> 02:08:23,809 park so with that would anyone here care to speak to this nobody out there 1393 02:08:20,989 --> 02:08:29,059 jumping into this pond either okay that comes back to us Council final comments 1394 02:08:26,449 --> 02:08:36,979 Jack anything I know thank you Shay's true no Scott call the roll yes I always 1395 02:08:34,219 --> 02:08:41,260 say we sent my apologies on the first motion to approve resolution 1396 02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:59,709 yes yes yes yes yes five Oh on the second motion in regards to the 1397 02:08:52,219 --> 02:09:02,709 conservation easement yes yes yes yes yes 1398 02:09:04,739 --> 02:09:14,699 city attorney no reports this evening city manager mayor council the actual 1399 02:09:12,059 --> 02:09:21,059 aerial presentations that are the actual rare actuarial reports are starting to 1400 02:09:17,909 --> 02:09:28,699 trickle in and it's been counsels request in the past that they enjoy 1401 02:09:24,959 --> 02:09:34,709 those reports and a council meeting however I noticed in the last one they 1402 02:09:33,239 --> 02:09:40,499 weren't as enjoyable as we thought they'd be so I offer up to you a couple 1403 02:09:38,489 --> 02:09:46,289 different ways to do that either bring them to Council and present them as we 1404 02:09:42,989 --> 02:09:53,670 have in the past provide you the full report with a summary to be read or 1405 02:09:50,639 --> 02:10:05,329 placed in the report for public record and you all can read them at your own at 1406 02:09:58,979 --> 02:10:10,469 your own at your own leisure or a a little out-of-the-box thinking I can 1407 02:10:07,709 --> 02:10:16,110 have them record the presentation and you all can watch it and everybody can 1408 02:10:12,389 --> 02:10:23,459 watch it online at their leisure up to you I look forward to whichever way you 1409 02:10:19,650 --> 02:10:29,670 prefer to do it personally I think that's too important for us to simply 1410 02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:34,170 have it reported to us on paper for us to read I think there has to be some 1411 02:10:31,979 --> 02:10:39,269 form of presentation and discussion at Council oh you guys wanted not required 1412 02:10:37,110 --> 02:10:45,780 but but I understand that you you're interested yeah what are your thoughts I 1413 02:10:42,110 --> 02:10:52,619 like having them here you like having the actuary yes Scott yeah I mean they 1414 02:10:51,239 --> 02:11:00,680 don't come that frequently so I mean I think I think it's just once a year yeah 1415 02:10:54,800 --> 02:11:10,940 okay did chase know I so go ahead and then I'll ask the following question I 1416 02:11:02,570 --> 02:11:18,260 think it's important to discuss anything needs to be discussed but I'm have it 1417 02:11:12,740 --> 02:11:24,230 here Jackie have a preference when would the date be that we would have Niger 1418 02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:42,290 trickling and then scheduling mop ornate it yeah yeah support it okay so my 1419 02:11:39,590 --> 02:11:48,680 following question is that the format seems to get a little bit deep were you 1420 02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:53,300 happy with the format last year if not I can give you the dates that they were 1421 02:11:49,970 --> 02:11:56,930 provided so you can watch them and or were they understandable to the point 1422 02:11:55,490 --> 02:12:01,610 where you want him in the same format would you like more of an executive 1423 02:11:58,250 --> 02:12:08,480 summary each one lasted we asked him to go 20 they lasted from 30 to 40 and by 1424 02:12:06,530 --> 02:12:18,010 glazed eyes in the audience it seemed like they were people were done in ten 1425 02:12:12,340 --> 02:12:18,010 so over to you for your thoughts on that 1426 02:12:18,430 --> 02:12:23,690 they've got to be able tighten up because all three of them took it in 1427 02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:30,350 three different directions yeah and that's that's difficult 1428 02:12:27,740 --> 02:12:35,330 so wave top summary of where we are where we're going and how we got there 1429 02:12:32,410 --> 02:12:41,270 we're getting the reports that we've got absolutely questions we can ask them 1430 02:12:37,480 --> 02:12:51,770 because we'll have those absolutely okay I think I said ten Oh Santana 1431 02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:55,010 we don't want 30 or 40 yeah I'll try to live in um to ten no and they'll go 1432 02:12:53,270 --> 02:13:01,460 fifteen and then then you all can ask the question yes got it and I'll try not 1433 02:12:57,050 --> 02:13:08,830 to put them all on the same agenda and it's hardly do yep okay secondly just to 1434 02:13:07,370 --> 02:13:15,120 put in a public record they we have gotten a lot of phone calls 1435 02:13:09,850 --> 02:13:19,290 about well there's been a lot of conversation about solicitation and 1436 02:13:20,070 --> 02:13:28,870 permits for solicitation the staffs looking into that for counsel there's 1437 02:13:25,630 --> 02:13:38,800 been a lot of discussion about the the traffic on Taylor Road as it relates to 1438 02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:45,120 school the queue if you will into Spruce Creek Elementary and to a lesser extent 1439 02:13:41,680 --> 02:13:51,520 but equally as important the high school I'll talk to Tim a little bit about what 1440 02:13:48,220 --> 02:13:57,270 our options are for for changing the lanes up they're not changing them but 1441 02:13:53,350 --> 02:14:05,110 but increasing the lanes but we're also talking with chief about parking in 1442 02:14:01,420 --> 02:14:12,700 subdivisions as a pickup point so so we'll bring that to you as well and the 1443 02:14:10,390 --> 02:14:30,370 last thing was the actuarial so well set that's all I had and guess one other 1444 02:14:17,740 --> 02:14:34,000 thing that Robin yeah it is but I'm gonna come to you for it now since but 1445 02:14:32,590 --> 02:14:43,350 I'm gonna do that at the very end City Council committee reports River to 1446 02:14:36,130 --> 02:14:43,350 CT video at a recent we had a meeting 1447 02:14:44,730 --> 02:14:54,720 Wednesday yeah thank you were you there a pretty big presentation about 1448 02:14:51,160 --> 02:15:00,480 roundabouts actually and how they are growing in popularity but what was 1449 02:14:57,130 --> 02:15:06,010 really interesting was the the incredible results in significant crash 1450 02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:10,480 data when they install these roundabouts and locations that have unusually high 1451 02:15:07,930 --> 02:15:14,860 amounts of vehicle crashes and fatalities so I don't know that we have 1452 02:15:12,700 --> 02:15:19,240 a lot of places in our in our city that fit those types of things but I think 1453 02:15:17,650 --> 02:15:21,280 you're going to start seeing a lot more of them around the state of Florida 1454 02:15:20,860 --> 02:15:25,119 associate traveling the state that'll probably 1455 02:15:23,800 --> 02:15:31,389 something you'll see on but pretty preemie presentation class also a 1456 02:15:27,420 --> 02:15:37,030 presentation on crash data in the in this particular region talking about the 1457 02:15:33,639 --> 02:15:43,210 top 20 crash locations for our d-o-t region and then how to utilize that data 1458 02:15:39,420 --> 02:15:47,170 for future funding for traffic safety and management programs so pretty 1459 02:15:45,940 --> 02:15:53,199 interesting stuff there a lot of good discussion a lot of good a lot of good 1460 02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:56,739 questions into that so okay general employees pension plan I talked about 1461 02:15:55,449 --> 02:16:01,150 that the last council meeting we have man that's right police pension plan 1462 02:15:58,690 --> 02:16:08,500 that's mine we had a meeting on February 19th so we're about five weeks past that 1463 02:16:04,119 --> 02:16:15,449 six weeks they had a very good fiscal year ending September thirtieth the net 1464 02:16:12,280 --> 02:16:22,809 rate of return was eight point five and then a very bad quarter from September 1465 02:16:18,570 --> 02:16:28,690 30th October 1st to December 31st where they lost about 3.4 million they were 1466 02:16:26,050 --> 02:16:36,040 down they took in 8.5 they were down eight point eight nine so the value on 1467 02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:42,550 December 31st was thirty five point four million roughly and on September 30th it 1468 02:16:40,689 --> 02:16:48,519 was thirty eight point six they lost roughly three point four million 1469 02:16:44,349 --> 02:16:53,649 however from january first nineteen to the the numbers as of to 2019 1470 02:16:51,250 --> 02:16:59,559 they've gotten back over two point eight million of the loss so the the net loss 1471 02:16:57,609 --> 02:17:05,439 for that plan was roughly about five hundred ninety thousand dollars and the 1472 02:17:02,649 --> 02:17:09,550 plan is still funded very well and everything's going good so that you know 1473 02:17:07,029 --> 02:17:14,920 there's ups and downs are coming and they're you know bound to happen but 1474 02:17:12,569 --> 02:17:18,460 when you look at a staggering law oh my god 3.4 million 1475 02:17:16,389 --> 02:17:25,599 well they got back to point eight in a short time so this is going but the plan 1476 02:17:22,990 --> 02:17:30,900 continues to to trend in the right direction and 1477 02:17:27,900 --> 02:17:37,260 it's still well-funded they're able to pay their bills and the rate of return 1478 02:17:33,960 --> 02:17:43,170 was lowered again the assumed rate of return for the upcoming year will be 1479 02:17:39,900 --> 02:17:47,280 seven point three five you know we they've come a long way because it was 1480 02:17:44,850 --> 02:17:50,490 eight five and then eight and then it's been ratcheting down as have all the 1481 02:17:49,170 --> 02:17:55,920 other plants have been ratcheting down the assumed rate of return to something 1482 02:17:51,900 --> 02:18:01,590 that's more achievable long-term so you know we're where the plant sits is a 1483 02:17:57,590 --> 02:18:06,840 roughly thirty right about thirty-eight million 30 point 1 million dollars right 1484 02:18:04,920 --> 02:18:16,110 now and they're roughly seventy percent funded which brings us to the final 1485 02:18:11,639 --> 02:18:21,420 point scheduling items all of you not all of you are gonna be able to be there 1486 02:18:17,700 --> 02:18:24,300 Saturday morning our you know the base yet now I'm going to throw out a 1487 02:18:22,500 --> 02:18:29,580 baseball Saturday morning and now take off the baseball season coincides with 1488 02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:32,610 Bike Week first time I miss my throwing hands I'll be at the Speedway I'll take 1489 02:18:31,230 --> 02:18:42,600 Drew's baseball you're laughing no okay council meeting scheduled we 1490 02:18:39,330 --> 02:18:48,080 normally meet on the third Tuesday of the month this month we are not because 1491 02:18:46,290 --> 02:18:53,400 we are going to be up in Tallahassee trying to bring back more money for a 1492 02:18:51,179 --> 02:18:59,100 float flood control project again this year and a rec project so we'll be up 1493 02:18:56,310 --> 02:19:03,389 there lobbying our well I should say Lobby not just our representatives but 1494 02:19:01,740 --> 02:19:10,770 all the representatives we need to make contact with so we will not meet again 1495 02:19:06,870 --> 02:19:17,030 until the fourth Tuesday of March which is three weeks from today which is the 1496 02:19:13,639 --> 02:19:17,030 26th of March 1497 02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:34,099 CRA s at five o'clock when his regular council we have regular council business 1498 02:19:25,900 --> 02:19:38,330 Jake how'd you do that about a mang okay we may set a record at that meeting yes 1499 02:19:36,710 --> 02:19:44,420 you you said you're gonna sit around here tonight okay so we're gonna 1500 02:19:41,660 --> 02:19:49,250 question anything else come before us or something 1501 02:19:46,250 --> 02:19:58,990 CRA meeting that's not a council meeting yes yeah okay just another hat you wear 1502 02:19:56,150 --> 02:20:03,020 we offer you got the job tell me about that we were drafted 1503 02:20:01,340 --> 02:20:08,200 anything else come before us this evening if not have a good night we'll 1504 02:20:05,450 --> 02:20:08,200 see you on three weeks 1505 02:20:15,500 --> 02:20:17,560 you