[4:35] please rise for style and invocation
followed by the Pledge of Allegiance
[4:54] amen I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the
[5:02] Republic for which it stands one nation
under God the clerk call the roll here
[5:17] here here here here no come back yeah
Robin is back we have a fifth seat
[5:29] filled up here for the first time since
November yeah jack welcome to the board
[5:33] thank you this is actually the first
time we've been allowed to talk about
[5:37] business with you do that Sunshine Law
thing but we're glad to have you up here
[5:43] we look forward to your contributions
and we're glad that the district 1 seat
[5:48] is filled in the interim until the
election to be held thank you for your
[5:52] confidence public comments on consent
agenda items only any items 6 through 10
[5:59] any comments from the public on those
items there being none agenda approval
[6:09] if you don't mind I'd like to have a
quick comment about item 10 but I've got
[6:15] no problem with approving the rest of
the agenda and then the consent agenda a
[6:20] motion to approve the agenda for
tonight's meeting first motion to
[6:25] approve agenda second all in favor
signify by saying aye aye I need a
[6:31] motion for the consent agenda items six
through nine so moved but we have a
[6:36] motion second call the roll
[6:45] yes yes yes yes you Paul Tanner you're
commenting on time we pulled 10 and
[6:57] basically I just was a okay who's ever
voted on that we did not vote on ten the
[7:04] motion was for six through nine did you
vote to pull ten from the consent agenda
[7:17] mr. parliamentarian oh I I just never
jest I don't want to make sure I'm clear
[7:21] on what's going on I'm now gonna do it
wrong I moved to pool ten pulled open
[7:30] ten up for discussion
yes that's your motion yes we have a
[7:34] sign up for discussion all in favor
signify by saying aye aye
[7:39] item 10 in the past the we have not had
to worry about a canvassing board for an
[7:45] election because the county he always
takes care of that function so we have
[7:50] to do that for ourselves I just wanted
to make sure that we were comfortable
[7:55] with the proposed canvassing board our
city clerk her assistant and Jake
[8:01] Johansson do you guys feel like we need
an elected official on that board also
[8:07] or are we good with that if your final I
mean I would do it if you wanted it but
[8:15] if you're happy with it as proposed I'll
be more than happy to take the night off
[8:19] and call Jake and see how it's going
from okay with that regard may have a
[8:26] resolute motion approve resolution 1911
so we have a motion from the vice mayor
[8:32] in a second from councilman Bastian call
the roll yes yes yes yes yes five Oh
[8:47] and then II will say that for a while
with that council is in recess as we do
[8:54] the annual meetings of corporations I'll
turn the gavel over to I think this one
[9:01] your Commissioner or president yes
all the above yeah we're both on there
[9:08] okay so this would be the joint annual
required meeting of members and
[9:11] directors of city center corporate Park
property owners association I call the
[9:17] annual joint meeting of the members and
board of directors city center corporate
[9:21] Park property Association to order have
a roll call please
[9:26] here here here here
okay second item a business kind of a
[9:34] motion to accept the notice of the
meeting move to accept
[9:38] second all in favor signify by saying
aye all right any opposed
[9:43] we're good okay item three do I have a
motion approved minutes of January 16
[9:48] 2018 meetings so moved second second all
in favor signify by saying aye aye
[9:54] perfect opposed we're good okay next I'd
order business be election of members to
[10:01] the board of directors you get two
boards the board of directors and the
[10:06] Design Review Board minutes from January
16 item four okay or is that on the next
[10:16] meeting do I you have a motion from me
to approve those minutes excuse me we
[10:22] combined them i emotionally approve the
minutes for the design review board say
[10:32] well we have a motion in a second all in
favor say aye aye opposed they're
[10:40] approved can we move to item four now
they're like okay election of the
[10:45] members of Board of Directors to have a
motion to elect the following to serve
[10:49] on the board of directors don Burnett
drew Bastion just got Stiltner chase
[10:53] Tremont and the person elected to
counsel in the special election on April
[10:56] 30th with the interim councilman Wilde's
appointment filling the position until
[11:01] the election so second in a second
all in favor signify by saying aye aye
[11:07] opposed
[11:16] I have okay I had them on top Mike I
apologize for that they're very similar
[11:23] they are their work yeah their work this
one just says a couple more okay you
[11:29] know why I had Robin print the script
for you yeah okay now we're good okay
[11:36] any further business to be brought
before the members hearing none we move
[11:43] on to the business of the Board of
Directors election of officers of the
[11:46] Board of Directors I'd like to nominate
a stream on chairman all second we have
[11:55] a motion in a second all in favor
signify by saying aye aye opposed you
[12:07] are elected okay thank you
do I have a nomination for Vice Chair
[12:12] nominate drew Bastian vice chair motion
in a second all in favor signify by
[12:26] saying aye aye opposed okay we're good
there anything I can nominate dawn for
[12:33] yes after Stiltner for president also
I'll need a nomination for president of
[12:39] this board dominated Scott second we
have a motion a second all in favor
[12:46] signify by saying aye opposed there
being none to have a nomination for vice
[12:53] president so good second to a nominee
move now we have a motion by Tremont
[13:03] second by Stiltner all in favor signify
by saying aye aye
[13:07] losed no we're good we're running out of
people Jack okay this one I to me I mean
[13:15] a nomination for Secretary of the board
I would like to nominate the seat holder
[13:21] for District one
in the interim Jack Wiles and then
[13:25] afterwards the winner of the election
once they're seated to become secretary
[13:29] second second we have a motion and a
second all in favor signify by saying
[13:34] aye aye opposed there being none item F
can I have a motion to elect dr. Scott
[13:41] Neil's for the treasurer of this board
dr. Scott Neil's I nominate him for
[13:46] treasurer sir all in favor signify by
saying aye aye opposed there being none
[13:54] anybody who wears a bow ties gotta be
part of it yes okay new business
[13:59] appointment of registered agent do I
have a motion to appoint dr. Scott our
[14:03] Neil's as register agent effective with
the filing of the 2019 annual report so
[14:10] moved second we have a motion a second
all in favor signify by saying aye aye
[14:15] opposed there being none okay any
further business to be brought before
[14:22] this board of directors anything there
being none we'll move on to the business
[14:27] of the Design Review Board okay we're
gonna go through this again item 9a you
[14:33] need a nomination to elect chairman for
the one year term nominee vice mayor mr.
[14:38] chase Tremont second already all in
favor signify by saying aye
[14:46] all right opposed there being none we're
good
[14:51] item 9b nomination to like Vice Chairman
vice chairman for the one year term
[14:56] nominate mr. drew Bastion 2nd Sam okay
we have a nomination in a second all in
[15:02] favor signify by saying aye all right
[15:07] chase I'm sorry Robin okay that posed
there being no to get it right 9p that
[15:15] one's me okay
[15:22] okay is there any further business of
this design review board I don't think
[15:29] we have anything that's for the year
there being none this annual meeting of
[15:33] the members directors and the Design
Review Board is adjourned
[15:36] okay now I can get to the correct page
go through this one again do what you
[15:42] did before but only it applies is yes
okay I will call the annual joint
[15:48] meeting of the members and board of
directors of city center Corporate Park
[15:50] property owners association to order can
have roll call please present here here
[16:01] here kind of a motion to accept the
notice of the meeting so moved second
[16:06] seeing it all in favor signify by saying
aye aye opposed none
[16:12] okay have a motion to approve the
minutes of the January 16 2018 meeting
[16:17] please so moved second all in favor of
approval signify by saying aye aye
[16:23] opposed being none item for election of
the members of the board of directors
[16:28] kind of a motion to elect the following
to serve on the board of directors mayor
[16:33] Dom Burnett councilman drew Bastion
councilman Scott Stiltner councilman
[16:37] chase Tremont and the person elected to
fill elected to Council special election
[16:42] on April 30th 2019 with the interim
appointment filling until said election
[16:48] so moved in motion second and a second a
motion in a second
[16:52] all in favor signify by saying aye aye
opposed there being none election of
[16:59] officers can have on nomination elect
the following officers here I'd like to
[17:03] go ahead and nominate the slate at
chairman I'd like to nominate a stream
[17:09] chase Tremont I know him come with your
name all of a sudden Vice Chair chairman
[17:13] I'd like to you a nominate drew Bastian
as president I'd like to nominate Scott
[17:18] Stiltner as vice president myself Don
Burnett as Secretary the office holder
[17:24] both interim and permanent for district
1 and as treasurer dr. Scott our kneels
[17:30] perfect sir second we have a motion a
second
[17:35] can have a voice vote all in favor
signify by saying aye all right any
[17:39] opposed
there being none motion carries new
[17:43] business appointment of registers agent
do I have a motion to appoint dr. Scott
[17:47] our Neil's as a registered agent
effective with the filing of the 2019
[17:51] annual report so moved and seconded it's
the bow tie yes sir the new guy in the
[17:58] bowtie perfect all in favor signify by
saying aye aye
[18:02] any opposed good motion carries
is there any further business of this
[18:07] board none there being none this meeting
is also a jardín good job which brings
[18:14] us back to reconvening of council yes
citizen participation non-agenda mr.
[18:22] Michael Dalton come on down I'd like to
request that my neighbors
[18:44] these are all property owners the reason
why I've come before you is you mean if
[18:49] they just say your name of the
microphone for the round my name is
[18:51] Michael Dalton thank you
my address is 1124 Margate Court I am
[19:01] approaching you due to the construction
occurring at 45414 riverside the
[19:09] dwelling that was put there is many
times larger than my 1,800 square-foot
[19:16] home and I'm concerned about
encroachment of drainage issues there
[19:22] into the river the water runoff from the
building that is currently under
[19:29] construction and not finished
will exit the roof at extremely high
[19:34] velocities I'm concerned about the
significant erosion issues that could
[19:39] have a long-term adversary's effect on
the one the entire city rarely the city
[19:45] on statement so I'm here to request that
somebody look into this what was he
[19:55] addressing the property the the i-pro
one for Riverside Drive which is what
[20:02] just south of niver yes okay it's at the
property that where they had to fire a
[20:09] couple years back no that's further
south oh that's further said okay right
[20:13] there's also all significant issues with
parking based upon the size of that
[20:18] building
nobody's indicated to me what the new
[20:22] structure would be used for or
residential zone right right
[20:29] you already spoke to somebody in commune
of element nobody spoke to me whatsoever
[20:33] they didn't contact anybody in can we
develop ment no this is the property
[20:43] that's next to there's like a little law
boat or RV yes okay yes yes I'm gonna
[20:48] have the city manager have somebody
reach out to you we have your address
[20:52] and phone number year
so that we can make sure you know what's
[20:57] going on and if you have issue with that
then by all means come back but we'll
[21:02] make sure that we get you the
information okay thank you thank you
[21:07] Wayne Walker I'm for the same reason
except this thing looks like someone
[21:19] built Noah's Ark is huge
mm-hm so when I tell you I've lived here
[21:24] ten years and y'all are doing a
wonderful job we live in a beautiful
[21:27] city I walked the river every morning
and every night and our never had a
[21:35] break-in not a car break-in not of
anything so the police are doing their
[21:39] job the community is a safe little
community it's not a wealthy area except
[21:43] right from done lot when you come down
the beautiful homes and it's starting to
[21:48] get better since the hurricane each
house is getting a little better
[21:53] there's single-family homes the property
that he's talking about has a
[21:57] single-family home I've lived there 10
years and no one's lived in it but in
[22:04] front of it every day I come home I look
at trash washing machine dryers
[22:10] refrigerators when the garage door is
open there's people who make my skin
[22:18] curl like they don't belong in my
neighborhood and the garage doors open
[22:22] and there's stuff stored in there like
it's being used as a business not a home
[22:26] not a dwelling that people would live in
like someone bought it and said hey
[22:29] let's use this as our storage in our
office there's two junk cars one's a
[22:34] white van and one's a yellow car and
they've been there for probably four or
[22:41] five years just well sometimes they
sleep in the van right along where I
[22:46] walk my puppy they wake up in the
morning pee in the bushes
[22:49] I shouldn't have to see that and the
city should notice I've never complained
[22:54] I thought it'd be something temporary
that would go away
[22:57] hasn't gone away and now there's a
structure of the size of a Holiday Inn
[23:03] this three stories high I'm a first
culver act from niver south and you can
[23:12] from my window on my couch where I sit
and watch TV the third floor just stared
[23:19] right in me so it's not just me I go to
talk to my neighbor and he showed me his
[23:26] backyard which I've never seen in the
ten years I've lived there we've just
[23:29] talked it's a three-story structure so
usually you would have your neighbor you
[23:35] look over the fence hey how are you I
don't know how he lives seeing this
[23:40] whole backyard with a three-story
structure and it was elevated five feet
[23:47] before they put the first elevation so
there's about eight doors on that side
[23:54] of the eight doors when they walk his
six foot fence there it's ridiculous I
[24:11] don't even know I got through zoning I'm
I can be honest with you I'm unfamiliar
[24:17] with the property but I'm gonna ask the
city manager to do the same thing buy it
[24:22] they would go like then I won't ask you
did your time's up but would we can talk
[24:27] offline about our problem but I'm also
going to ask because you've also brought
[24:31] up potential code enforcement issues
that she's already gonna look into it
[24:36] from a code perspective and yeah please
do Timber know reach out to both
[24:40] residents about the young property thank
you so much for your job thank you
[24:47] just say your name into the mic
my name is Wayne a walker and I live at
[24:52] 11:34 Margate Court thank you I
appreciate thank you council comments
[25:00] let's start with Scott I don't have much
this evening but I did want to wish you
[25:06] a special happy birthday to Mary
wittmeyer
[25:10] one of our VIPs at the Bordelaise
department she is 95 years young and
[25:15] still serving the community as a
volunteer and has already served for 35
[25:20] years so happy birthday to her it's all
I got for you tonight I was I was gonna
[25:26] recognize Mary he did it so I'm good
okay I was also gonna recognize Mary
[25:35] oh yeah you want to welcome yes welcome
Jack exactly the thing is your turn you
[25:45] want to recognize Mary also oh I got a
couple things first time out hopefully
[25:52] it's not out of order but I got a call
from some wax on email from someone
[25:58] that's in the Sleepy Hollow subdivision
I talked to the city manager about it
[26:03] it was a citizen tracker complaint about
potholes and also the culverts and that
[26:11] particular subdivision I understand it's
being worked on and probably would be
[26:17] rectified next year we're just hoping
that maybe for the benefit of the people
[26:23] in that area that we could get maybe
those barricades removed from the
[26:28] neighborhood they've been sitting out in
front of his home for about six nine
[26:31] months now so hopefully we can see what
we can do about a temporary fix and get
[26:35] those removed Jake about that thing okay
Sleepy Hollow is something that's going
[26:41] to be designed and taken care of as soon
as we can get the money to do it it's on
[26:46] the list as as you well know Virginia
Monroe was last year how Street this
[26:51] year but we're going to try and take
care of Sleepy Hollow internally and
[26:57] with st. John's money and not not wait
for the state
[27:03] it's got significant flooding issues and
this this this problem is just part of
[27:09] it so it's it's on our list the other
thank you the only other concern is the
[27:20] bridge Nick the bridge one side lane is
closed on the weekends well all week for
[27:27] that matter but on the weekends it
really backs up all the way past Bruce
[27:30] Creek Road and traffic is kind of a
nightmare I'm just curious if there was
[27:35] a time line on that bridge being
resolved for some of the people so the
[27:39] arty says April and I'm hoping the d-o-t
can finish in April because yeah it's a
[27:47] mess down there yeah yeah mayor if I can
just comment on that real quick for
[27:51] projects that if in case you get any
more questions so that a recent
[27:54] tpo meeting there were some discussion
about that and some concern where people
[27:59] are projecting that they're working on
one side of the bridge in the same
[28:03] amount of time will have to be applied
that's not actually the case so they're
[28:06] working up underneath the bridge on
their accessing that from just that one
[28:10] side now there may be a small amount of
time for what I understand where they do
[28:13] have to transition to the other side
that will definitely not occur during
[28:17] Bike Week they intend it to
I think cease what they've got going on
[28:21] during that period of time but for
overwhelmingly the majority of the
[28:25] project will all be done by just using
the one eastbound side lane obviously
[28:31] the westbound would even be a much
bigger issue so in their timeline that
[28:36] we have heard is is definitely April
timeframe to wrap it up so hopefully
[28:41] that happen they say it was too much
trouble to take everything away and
[28:45] remobilize and all that before weekends
because everybody's going to the beach
[28:49] back and forth which seems like it's a
really shook nightmare even during the
[28:55] week it's no big thing yeah there's been
some concern about the trail down ala
[29:00] fact some dialogue on that I'm getting
some phone calls pro and con on that so
[29:05] I don't you know I know where we're at
on it
[29:09] any more conversations on he wasn't
happy to participate in those and I
[29:13] think Jake and Tim have a meeting
scheduled down there coming up so
[29:18] whatever I can do to help in that area
but there's still some undecided folks
[29:23] down there as to how they want to
proceed with that and what their
[29:26] thoughts are it's always one of those
things where a lot of people like the
[29:29] idea and there's a great idea but it's
one of those where I think not in my
[29:33] backyard honestly and it hasn't even
been engineered yet so I don't even know
[29:41] what I'm talking about
you're not exactly there's a ways out
[29:45] and I understand that's all I have oh by
the way opening day of baseball I think
[29:50] is this is Saturday this Saturday 8:45
at field to which unfortunately I'll be
[29:57] out of town but it's always a great
event that the city puts on - Susan
[30:01] thank you for all your work in your King
have a baseball ready for me to throw
[30:06] out that's for sure I'm gonna miss it
for the first time in six years because
[30:10] I'll be working I'm the now stable to be
there also item 14 environmental
[30:19] Advisory Board report it's a John
Macaluso sighting mr. mayor council
[30:29] staff John Macaluso chairperson
environmental advisory board brief
[30:34] update on what's happened in the last
three or four months we met in January
[30:39] and first item was election of officers
the officers remain the same as they
[30:45] were in 2018 myself as chairperson and
Nancy Vaughan as vice chairperson we
[30:51] discussed some items on the agenda
Riverwalk development I've directed the
[30:57] board members to visit the site develop
any questions and concerns from an
[31:01] environmental concern regarding future
development and address any city and
[31:07] staff with those questions or concerns
so we'll get a little bit ahead of the
[31:11] game before the design is complete
[31:16] resolution regarding relating to the
list of trees we've been working on the
[31:21] tree ordinance in the tree resolution
for the last two years the year that
[31:25] I've been here
basically Margaret Thomason construction
[31:29] engineering manager and Timberman
Community Development Director provided
[31:33] us with a plan for moving forward on the
tree resolution Alissa trees were
[31:37] supplied to the a board the a board has
been directed to review the list and
[31:42] bring any questions or concerns to our
special meeting that we had planned back
[31:48] in February and now we were going to
review that list during that special
[31:52] meeting that was scheduled for February
22nd unfortunately we did not have a
[31:56] quorum that day we had four members of
our board absent so we have to move that
[32:01] over to our April meeting if you're
familiar with the Raintree subdivision
[32:06] there's a discussion going on regarding
the entrance off the Spruce Creek Road
[32:10] there's a large live oak tree in the
road divider at the entrance and the
[32:14] road is raised in both directions from
the roots
[32:17] we had Ronny Buttram our Deputy Director
of Public Works in attendance to discuss
[32:22] the options and in that area initial
cost estimate to preserve the tree was
[32:28] presented by Margaret Tomlinson at about
$400,000 the EAB discussed the options
[32:34] and asked for a more extensive cost
estimate on three options that we put
[32:40] out root pruning road repaving and
yearly route maintenance as one option
[32:44] Road reconstruction included in that and
tree tree removal and replacement so if
[32:51] we want to take another look at those
options in our next meeting and come
[32:55] back with a recommendation and see where
that goes from a cost estimate point we
[32:59] go we also discussed for the future Port
Orange Family Days environmental
[33:05] advisory board would love to have a
booth in the fall and push some of our
[33:09] environmental actions that we'd like to
see in the city to the public another
[33:15] topic that came up which is which has
been a a hot topic lately you've been
[33:19] following the papers and and local
issues recycling
[33:24] environmental advisory board members
have requested and we have an interest
[33:29] in review the city's recycling plan once
it's crafted and before it's approved so
[33:34] we like to take a look at it and work
with the city on that before approval of
[33:37] the recycling ordinance or any new
recycling plan and again as our special
[33:43] meeting was cancelled so the true
resolution will move on to the April
[33:47] meeting hopefully we can we can continue
that Tim Timmons in Timberman has
[33:52] indicated at the next council meeting I
believe he's going to present part of
[33:57] our resolution for discussion and we'll
pick it up from there at our next
[34:01] meeting quick questions this is just the
tree preservation at 400,000 does that
[34:08] include estimated cost for road
resurfacing yes and I believe the whole
[34:13] project yes it's for no way I understand
what happens you know because if you
[34:21] don't preserve the tree and you're
mistaken we're hoping to see the the
[34:24] estimates at the next move now to you
about penetrating the underlayment and
[34:31] the length so a lot of the other boards
have downsized to meet the quorum
[34:39] requirements do we is there an issue
that we need to resolve or is there
[34:44] anything we can do to help or you want
to was it aberration I I think it was
[34:49] it's for excused absences meeting
excused absences are great but we need a
[34:55] core we we only meet four times a year
and we're trying to answer knows my
[35:00] feelings about meeting four times a year
I'd like to get it up to six times ears
[35:03] problem hit possible which which we plan
on proposing at our next meeting but I
[35:08] need a quorum quorum for for much just
let us know and you have some I think
[35:12] you have some appointments coming up
they do we have the time to let them die
[35:17] by we have appointments coming up in
April for your right
[35:22] we appreciate people's willingness to
serve
[35:26] also got to get them to honor their
commitments absolutely thank you John
[35:29] thank you yeah I'm sorry any other
questions of counsel they're being okay
[35:34] now I'd say thank you John well we'll
make sure he has a spot on this in the
[35:37] city's Family Days kiosk with the
community development as well perfect
[35:42] item 15 golf advisory board report I'm
the one well on you good yes sir
[35:54] originally I'm the current chairman of
the health advisory board was last year
[35:59] again this year so I know share your
pain the women on February the fifth and
[36:08] at that meeting we spent a great deal of
time reviewing resolution 1932 which is
[36:13] really the golf rules for the golf
course of the etiquette those kinds of
[36:18] things how to treat the employees what
the expectations of players are and
[36:22] those things it is in essence it was a
fairly thick resolution that we went
[36:27] through and it basically is being
completely rewritten it was 20 plus
[36:31] years old some of the things that were
in there were almost comical and Susan
[36:36] lobello has taken charge to get that
rewritten and have it ready for our next
[36:40] meeting which will probably be in
another month the we had spoken last
[36:46] time about course conditions and I'd
indicated that there had been some
[36:49] concern particularly on holes 2 and 18
because of the shade that goes onto the
[36:56] green that they have not had a chance to
grow and mature as they should have
[37:00] trees have been cut in those areas we're
expecting some improvement but there's
[37:05] been continued deterioration at this
point one of the things I've learned
[37:09] from some little bit of research that
I've done is the type of grass that we
[37:16] chose to put in those areas was
relatively low expensively price-wise
[37:21] but it's difficult to maintain it's very
big it's kind of fussy it likes a
[37:27] certain amount of water a certain amount
of heat certain amount of cold certain
[37:31] amount of light so if you don't get
those conditions exactly right
[37:35] as it struggles it also will never grow
very tall so unlike some greens like if
[37:41] you played some of the courses in New
Smyrna Beach you'll find that their
[37:49] greens are just perfect I mean they look
like a green carpet that you're going
[37:53] through it's a whole different type of
grass we're never going to get that
[37:56] condition we're always going to have a
very thin grass layer and very fast
[38:01] greens as a result of that but there is
some concern by the board that we're not
[38:06] getting the kind of help and support in
order to make those greens grow given
[38:12] the rain and the cold and then getting
hot then it gets cold again that they
[38:17] need in order to support them so again
Susan LaValle always said they're gonna
[38:21] have some agricultural people from the
University of Florida maybe even from
[38:25] the PGA or from comfor to come out and
take a look and make sure that we're
[38:27] getting the white kind of treatment
because we'd hate to get those wasted
[38:30] Spruce Creek by the way country club did
the same exact grass when they did their
[38:35] course about seven years ago now and
when they did the two nines they did one
[38:40] nine and then did a second night the
first night they did they lost because
[38:44] they didn't know what they were doing
didn't do it correctly didn't maintain
[38:47] it correctly and ended up having to redo
it I think they've learned now because
[38:51] their course their third grains frankly
in a better condition right now but
[38:54] they're you know four years older than I
was
[38:56] it does take a while for that to mature
the last thing in Ethel and the next
[39:02] thing I wanted to talk to you about
there was a handout that you all should
[39:05] have gotten a little two pager which
were down at the bottom where there's a
[39:11] green see where talks about total rounds
and paid rounds this is a report that
[39:17] comes from Kemper each month back to the
city and the questions came up with well
[39:22] total rounds and paid rounds you mean
there's 570 rounds of
[39:26] unpaid I mean that's kind of what it
looks like when you look at those
[39:29] numbers well as it turns out if you go
to the next page that's really not the
[39:34] case
out of those 570 rounds the legacy and
[39:39] pass holders which they're about 40 or
so of those left are included in the non
[39:46] paid rounds even though they make an
annual payment to the course but that's
[39:51] amortized and therefore they don't
include that for whatever reason it as a
[39:56] part of that calculation the one that we
didn't know about that I was totally
[40:00] unaware of is golf now the agreement
with golf now who is an online booking
[40:05] agent on the internet some of you may
have used it gets for free rounds a day
[40:13] in exchange for Cypress head being able
to use their online booking system so
[40:21] it's a barter arrangement I'll give you
for free rounds you know you and and we
[40:25] get to use your your booking system what
surprised me was Kemper doesn't have a
[40:32] national account of golf now every
individual course negotiates their own
[40:36] deal with yeah that was my luck too with
golf now and they said because it's
[40:42] different depending on location it's
different to California than it is in
[40:45] Illinois than it is in Florida and so
each course is responsible for doing
[40:49] that on their own the suggestion to the
general manager for Cypress head was
[40:54] let's make sure we're getting the value
out of that agreement if you're giving
[40:57] up four rounds a day are you getting the
activity are you getting the use out of
[41:02] them that you should have so there's got
to be a give-and-take there let's make
[41:05] sure that we're not on the short end of
that and that we're getting value for
[41:08] what you're receiving so he's going to
look at that and see whether or not they
[41:11] can determine how much business are they
really getting through golf now and is
[41:15] it worth it to give up those four rounds
every day the other one is is now and
[41:21] that's about 160 rounds a month and then
the employees the benefit of working
[41:25] there they get some free golf and it's
about a hundred miles a month so when
[41:28] you look at that it's like well you're
going to be 570 rounds
[41:31] now you're really given maybe 100 at
most and so it's really a misnomer I
[41:37] asked them why is it reported that way
and they said well that's the way the
[41:41] city wants it that's why I don't know
who the city is exactly whether you all
[41:46] made that decision or Parks and
Recreation made the decision or whatever
[41:50] but we asked them can you not or I'd
like to ask them if you can't break it
[41:53] out so that we can understand exactly
what you're doing how much we're giving
[41:56] you know how much is legacy and past
holers how much is really going to golf
[42:00] now and how much is really the employees
playing so that's something that's going
[42:05] to come on
okay yes that's a good point yeah it
[42:10] just you know yeah it you know you
Devils in the details and sometimes you
[42:14] just get lost and look for the
summarization like that me excuse me
[42:17] what's like mayor has consensus on that
I'd like to ask the city manager asked
[42:22] Bob to get on his neck briefing to us to
cover that topic and that discussion
[42:27] with them as well agreement we'll check
the contract as well make sure they were
[42:33] all it's not a contractual issue but
they're sure yep we'll figure it out
[42:39] this is honestly the kind of stuff we
have advisory boards for to bring this
[42:44] kind of stuff though good catch okay
good thing they also completed the golf
[42:50] course financial audit was was done and
they found no material issues which is
[42:54] good to hear that all the economy
records seem to be in place and again
[42:58] weather has been a constant problem we
continue they have a lot of rain lot of
[43:02] cold as you know there's a lot of
elderly who play at that course they
[43:06] won't play if it's been raining or if
it's part path only and that happens
[43:09] almost every time it rains there's a
curt path only problem and temperatures
[43:14] have been up and down a lot but it looks
like it's getting a lot better in the
[43:17] house that's all I got
anything yeah
[43:22] start with Jack now I'm just going to
ask on the year-to-date over 25,000
[43:31] actual below budget
I can walk below budget 50 for the
[43:35] 25,000 short right for 2018 this is not
comfort
[43:39] this is the Advisory Committee mr.
Boozman committee yeah they're looking
[43:43] at the budget yeah yeah Bobcat when he
does his presentation okay this should
[43:47] come into the city I assume everybody
gets a chance to see this if they care -
[43:51] yeah yeah usually in our agenda packet
the day that's ours but it's you know
[43:56] it's like a 50 page packet in here yeah
thank you
[44:03] that's why I was didn't know that's all
thank you I was glad to hear it was
[44:07] mentioned of course condition it's bad
it's a bad I've ever seen and yeah the
[44:15] years golfing yeah it's it's you know I
had multiple phone calls from random
[44:20] people and friends up in golf with four
years and I went down and rode through
[44:25] there I've never seen it like that since
I've been golfing there since the 90s
[44:29] that reminded me of indigo Lakes when I
stopped golfing there the Pelican Bay
[44:33] when I stopped golfing there well it's
not too late to get it hang on it but if
[44:37] we don't man shame on us so I'm glad to
hear you guys recognize that because tea
[44:44] boxes work well bad yeah the Greens that
as I've ever seen it those are the two
[44:50] areas that a real is no worse conditions
the two boxes and the grains we spent a
[44:54] lot you spent a lot of money fixing
those greens out three years ago and
[44:58] they don't want to see that you know go
down a poop chute so to speak I think
[45:02] there's certainly some that are okay
these are redoing but there's a scene in
[45:10] serious trouble and we do need to make
some corrective action to make sure that
[45:13] they get it taken care of it and tee
boxes frankly there's no excuse for
[45:16] those being in the condition through
fairways rough is pretty normal for that
[45:21] course fairway wasn't as bad as I
expected it to be after seeing a few of
[45:26] the greens I was a little a little bit
more the greens us yeah a little day but
[45:30] command those greens and in the boxes
any you know and you're trying to drive
[45:34] people to play the course and they start
playing someplace else
[45:41] that's what I'm freedom yeah yeah yeah
cuz there's too many courses in the area
[45:46] but any good anything else sorry that's
what happens coop I'm good Sturridge
[45:52] yeah
thanks Richard okay thanks uh might have
[45:55] might have had an errant shot on
Saturday that your house or the mayor
[46:00] might have one going straight I was
wrong I will share with you though that
[46:06] a lot of positive feedback on the course
from the group Saturday than the
[46:10] tournament okay and I think and the
weeds thing is not necessarily unique to
[46:15] us I think a lot of the area courses are
really struggling because a lot of the
[46:19] time that they would have had this
winter to really get on top of the weeds
[46:23] we got inundated with a lot more rain
than normal and that kind of hampers the
[46:27] weed effort from what I understand but I
know that they're aware of it but a lot
[46:30] of positive feedback the new carts look
great yep staff did a nice job running
[46:38] Saturday that put us in a pretty
positive light with a lot of folks and
[46:42] was a great turnout yeah what weather
was really good and so yeah well
[46:45] certainly be asked what mr. Duquette
about course and the dam but I tell you
[46:50] what few things here and there but the
the the the fairways I agree that the
[46:55] fairways actually we're in pretty good
shape yeah some of the green we didn't
[47:00] spend much time on them but yeah the
sides of the fairways so much shorter
[47:12] course in the middle thanks for the
report words okay tell about the snakes
[47:17] in the swamp yeah Scott was hit them
straight and again right straight to the
[47:21] left you know next item is golf advisory
board appointments some gentleman named
[47:30] Richard Lee wants to be reappointed Jane
Taylor wants to be reappointed we happen
[47:35] to have two openings and no other
applicants so counsel what would you
[47:39] like to do move to reappoint second you
have a motion in a second to repoint
[47:44] richly and jane taylor any comments
counsel they're doing a fabulous job
[47:50] don't want to stand up and talk us out
of it
[47:55] call the roll
[47:58] yes yes yes yes yes five Oh preciate
your service
[48:08] praises the public hearing course of the
meeting second reading of ordinance
[48:11] number 2019 - 9 which is amending the
section 2 - 186 through 2 - 189 relating
[48:17] to administrative officials the
ordinance number 29 2019 - 9 is an
[48:25] ordinance of the City Council the city
of Port Orange Volusia County Florida
[48:28] mending and restating the Code of
Ordinances section 2 - 186 through 2 -
[48:32] 189 inclusive relating an administrative
official regulations requirements
[48:37] employment termination rights benefits
compensation and evaluations providing
[48:42] for complication providing for repeal of
conflicting ordinances providing for
[48:46] severability and providing for an
effective date blue to prove wardens
[48:50] number 2 0 1 9 - 9 second we have a
motion to second council comments no
[48:59] comments we should speak to this one
there being none back to us last body to
[49:06] the apple gentlemen being none call the
roll
[49:10] yes yes yes yes yes five Oh
I'm 18 a second reading of ordinance
[49:22] number 2019 - ten amending the cease
regulation of dangerous dogs ordinance
[49:27] number 2019 - ten is an ordinance of the
city of Port Orange Volusia County
[49:31] Florida men in chapter 10 section 10 - 3
code ordinances to revise the definition
[49:35] of dangerous dog amending section 10 - 9
Code of Ordinances regarding the
[49:40] confinement requirements for dangerous
dog amending providing for repeal of
[49:44] conflicting ordinances providing for
severability and providing an effective
[49:48] date move to approve ordinance number 2
0 1 9 - 10 second we have a motion a
[49:55] second council comments anyone here care
to speak to this
[50:03] there being none last bite of the Apple
good call the roll
[50:07] yes yes yes yes yes second reading of
ordinance number 2019 - 13 which is
[50:20] amending chapter 2 article 6 section 2 -
2 7 . local ordinances and finance
[50:25] ordinance number 2019 - 13 is an
ordinance of the city of Port Orange
[50:30] Volusia County Florida amending chapter
2 article 4 division 2 section 2 - 2 7 3
[50:35] relating to finance purchase and sale
procedures providing for catification
[50:39] providing repeal of the conflicting
ordinances providing for severability
[50:43] and providing for an effective date
moved approval wardens number 2 0 1 9 -
[50:47] 13 I'll second we have a motion we have
a second council comments anyone here
[50:56] care to speak to this being none any
other closing comments there being none
[51:04] up here call the roll yes yes yes yes
yes brings us the regular agenda items
[51:16] resolution 19-8 is a transfer of 0.84
state wetland mitigation Bank credits
[51:23] for the city of Port Orange Police
Department Range and training facility
[51:26] resolution number 19 - 8 is a resolution
of the city of Council of the city of
[51:30] Port Orange Florida Volusia County
Florida approving transfer 0.84 state
[51:34] wetland mitigation credits from the Port
Orange wetland mitigation Bank
[51:38] authorizing the mayor and city clerk to
execute any and all required documents
[51:42] on behalf of the city Port Orange and
providing for an effective date motion
[51:47] to approve resolution 1938 I'll second
that you have motion a second who's
[51:53] presenting the resolution mayor I can
address that tonight okay
[51:57] this resolution provides for the
transfer of just less than one credit so
[52:07] 0.84 mitigation credits
for the st. Johns River Water Management
[52:12] District you do have a wetland
mitigation Bank approved with st. John's
[52:17] there is no additional cost to the city
in order to transfer these credits upon
[52:24] approval of the resolution the credits
will be allocated to this project so it
[52:30] can move forward with its proper
permitting council comments questions
[52:35] all I know is that dating back to the
end of 2010
[52:42] when I first came on council we were
talking about this training facility
[52:47] recent rain down and we were talking
about it when you guys came on council
[52:51] yeah we've been talking about when you
guys came on council and we're this
[52:56] close to actually having it go out to
bid so that's going it's taking a long
[53:01] time yes this one is moving at the speed
of government it seems like but we are
[53:06] this close I can't wait to see it in
reality we're here to hear to care to
[53:10] speak on this resolution come on up
[53:19] so
[53:22] Savannah Weaver Port Orange mayor
council I am in 100% support of the
[53:31] police getting a training facility and
range safety of our community is very
[53:38] important and I understand the need for
continuing education but I let's not
[53:45] ignore the importance to conserve our
land especially to prevent contamination
[53:53] to our water supply in filling in
wetlands wetlands are among the most
[53:59] productive ecosystem in the world next
to rainforests and coral reefs humans
[54:03] depend on a complex set of relationships
between wetland and watershed they
[54:11] naturally provide flood protection and
improve our water quality bullets
[54:21] contain a variety of material including
lead copper zinc and many more these
[54:28] materials sink into soil and contaminate
animals water and soil in the
[54:32] environment around the range blood
poisoning causes a variety of
[54:36] developmental delays and neurological
issues and will cost millions to clean
[54:41] up I'm not asking you not to build the
facility and range just to be smart when
[54:49] developing and to reconsider placing a
range on wetlands if you will not
[54:55] consider placing the range on wetlands
what will will be what will we be doing
[55:01] to clean up these contaminants and
ensure our water stays clean conserving
[55:07] our land has been one of the top
concerns I have been hearing from voters
[55:12] I have been surveying along along my
campaign trail if we're going to
[55:18] continue taking our land for development
we also need to be giving back what we
[55:25] take from our beautiful vulnerable land
we need to invest back into our land
[55:29] thank you thank you
any other anyone else back to Council
[55:38] Scott grew give her toward the ring yeah
chase good no the comments NER real real
[55:45] quick I I think it would behoove the
city to have the candidate toward the
[55:53] reclaim Lakes to see what we've done to
pay forward our our wetlands and we'll
[55:59] make that arrangement with our Public
Utilities Director public works director
[56:03] to make sure she gets out there and and
sees what we've done to pay forward what
[56:07] we're about to do gonna do that I'll
extend all of them absolutely thank you
[56:12] yeah because you'll enjoy that
absolutely call the roll
[56:18] yes yes yes yes yes 5 o resolution 19-9
is Parks and Recreation partnered fees
[56:34] there we go
resolution 19-9 is a resolution in the
[56:38] City Council the city put orange Volusia
County Florida establishing revised
[56:43] providing for repeal
establishing revised missing a word
[56:48] there it looks like providing for repeal
of conflicting resolutions and providing
[56:52] an effective date move the proof
resolution number 19 - 9 o second we
[57:01] have a motion we have a second Susan was
saying good evening mayor and council
[57:07] Susan of all Parks and Recreation
Director what's before you tonight is
[57:11] our fee resolution it appears before you
once or twice a year the item that was
[57:16] this was brought to you back in January
however we had had some workshops with
[57:20] our partners as well as our Parks and
Rec advisory board and I want to thank
[57:24] both groups for the time that they have
given over the past four months
[57:27] discussing these items and what's before
you tonight so basically what the board
[57:34] advisory board had brought up was
looking at increasing their fee for the
[57:40] annual fee that they pay the city for
the uses or their fields
[57:43] in order to try and work our way to get
in line with a 30% cost recovery that
[57:48] the council has asked the Parks and Rec
Department to recover with the talks and
[57:53] and how we move through things we came
up with some different models and the
[57:58] board has recommended that we we raise
their fee from 4,000 a year to 6866
[58:05] in that there was also some talk about
reducing the field usage or cost 25
[58:11] percent and we've run through some of
those those models staff agrees with the
[58:17] board's recommendation to raise that
annual partner fee to 6866
[58:20] and provide the frequent user free for
groups that are not a partner but tend
[58:25] to use our fields frequently at a
discounted rate of $11.22 per hour that
[58:30] does not include the lights they would
be worse field setups so they would have
[58:33] to pay those fees yes sir
is that sorry for the interruption just
[58:36] want to get it is that 6866 per team or
all or per organization correct per
[58:42] partner report I will I will point out
that that two of our groups did not meet
[58:51] our residency requirement nor did they
meet the requirement for having port
[58:56] orange in their name which is required
by our code in those groups right now
[59:01] are paying as they go at our current
rate of $20 an hour is what we charge
[59:05] for their bills so so I want to point
that out and I've attached I'm sure you
[59:11] are well versed in this I've attached
all the information in the minutes to
[59:15] the meeting the groups are here tonight
I'm sure that some of them would like to
[59:20] speak on this and in councilman miles
was the chairman of the parks ranking
[59:26] board when this was discussed so he'll
have some insight also yes sir but we
[59:31] are here for any questions again I do
want to thank the groups it was some
[59:36] long meetings and they really put forth
a lot of good effort and good input and
[59:40] really helped guide us as a department
so I definitely want to thank our
[59:43] advisory board and the members of our
partnerships to get us to where we are
[59:48] today
thank you we started this and Jack
[59:51] questions for season four comments the
just a comment real quick good any
[59:59] public participation but one of the
things that Susan pointed out is in
[1:00:05] order to get to the number we derived at
which is what's being proposed tonight
[1:00:11] the 25% reduction has to happen
otherwise that number would be much
[1:00:18] higher instead of what will be 841 per
hour would be 1122 so we've made a lot
[1:00:24] of concessions I think the Parks and Rec
advisory board came up with a lot of
[1:00:28] concessions to try and accommodate these
groups without putting too much of a
[1:00:32] burden on them but getting it somewhat
in line so we can talk about that in
[1:00:36] more detail but no real questions for
Susan
[1:00:39] chase no that was my only question I
think yeah I'm sure we'll come back oh
[1:00:47] yeah looking at a reduction of 25% like
practice time or is this and overall
[1:00:56] it's not going to affect games and
things is it is it just the practice on
[1:01:00] the fields due to scheduling or so so
yeah so that's that's the topic so the
[1:01:07] advisory board was interested in looking
at a 25 or 25 percent reduction in field
[1:01:12] or cost okay so in order to try and
bridge the gap after our meeting in
[1:01:17] October we we pitched the idea that
maybe we can reduce our cost by 25
[1:01:22] percent and raise our fees a little bit
in order to get to the number that the
[1:01:25] board wanted to look at that doesn't
necessarily mean reduction in field
[1:01:29] space okay so there's some items that
our partners do for us that could be a
[1:01:33] cost avoidance for us having to hire
additional people to help us with some
[1:01:37] of the field space so so we're relooking
at some of that um you know I think I
[1:01:44] think my staff does a really good job
managing the fields and making sure that
[1:01:48] we stay within the integra keeping the
integrity of those fields and making
[1:01:53] sure our programs are scheduled in
and then working with our partners okay
[1:02:00] I just there's a lot of work that goes
into something like this and I can't
[1:02:06] reshape the effort and and and the
toilet staff as well as members of the
[1:02:10] community and our advisory boards put
into looking at this this is probably
[1:02:14] one of those fluid topics that's always
gonna be there and always be something
[1:02:20] to keep an eye on as things change
certainly the cost of maintaining our
[1:02:25] facilities and doing things like that is
continuing to increase as well as demand
[1:02:30] and use and stuff like that one
particular thing and I think I've
[1:02:34] commented on this in the past but I just
did not happier on board with is the 50%
[1:02:39] residency I just think that numbers way
too low
[1:02:44] we taxpayers of Port Orange
significantly overwhelmingly offset the
[1:02:50] cost yet we're having a residency rate
that's in my opinion just far too long I
[1:02:56] mean I think it should be 80% to be
honestly I don't mind having a certain
[1:03:00] margin I get that other communities have
that as well so you know residents from
[1:03:06] one community can go to another but
there's very few communities especially
[1:03:10] here in Volusia County that can provide
the amount of programs and facilities
[1:03:16] and space and things like that that may
be Port Orange inform and in Deltona and
[1:03:21] a few others can so I just it's just
such a low number knowing that the
[1:03:27] taxpayers of Port Orange overwhelmingly
fund these programs in these facilities
[1:03:32] and stuff to such a large percentage so
it's just always been something that
[1:03:36] I've wrestled with and I just think that
that's a number that needs to be moving
[1:03:39] in the other direction especially if
we're going to continue to offset such a
[1:03:44] large cost
these programs and facilities and things
[1:03:48] like that so I don't know if you know
the interesting thing about that is of
[1:03:53] course those facilities will be there
for our own rec programmable e it's not
[1:04:04] offsetting as much as one would actually
think because we have to maintain those
[1:04:08] fields anyway for our own programs but I
we talked about this when we met with
[1:04:14] the Parks and Rec board we had six
partner groups two of them already fell
[1:04:19] out because they couldn't meet that
requirement but they're not all the same
[1:04:23] an organization like Pop Warner you got
120 kids and if you're asking them to
[1:04:27] make an 80 percent requirement they
might be able to do that even though it
[1:04:32] is a regional program but what about the
baseball team that has ten kids and
[1:04:37] you've got seven of a murder residents
instead of eight and one kid makes you
[1:04:43] fall out so it's very hard when we're
trying to put blanket percentages and
[1:04:48] blanket procedures and apply them
uniformly when all these sports are so
[1:04:53] different in it and I agree with you III
think it should be predominantly poured
[1:04:58] onto residents and if we already had
some fallout because of that then so be
[1:05:03] it
if they're gonna co-sponsor with us but
[1:05:06] that's just that's a very difficult
thing when you're we start playing with
[1:05:11] that number and if we were a community
significantly less size than what we are
[1:05:15] and it wasn't a large base of you know
youth to get involved in these different
[1:05:22] programs I would understand that but in
a school and in a community it's got ten
[1:05:26] public schools five of which are
elementary schools we've got plenty of
[1:05:28] kids and youth to be involved in our
athletics in our city so and they are
[1:05:33] they are and they are just just a couple
of comments to your point partners
[1:05:41] currently are utilizing about 37% of
filled space time on the fields cost
[1:05:47] recovery under our current program is
five point seven percent as Susan
[1:05:52] pointed out rec is 30% cost recovery our
rec program of course collecting 30%
[1:06:01] our average partner ratio and residency
currently is 66 percent so some of the
[1:06:08] clubs have a much higher participation
percentage of residency's than others
[1:06:13] some of them are going to make the cut
but to your point the taxpayers are
[1:06:17] going to subsidize those non-residents
to a larger degree under this particular
[1:06:23] plan reducing their usage by 25 percent
and trying to get to a 30 percent cost
[1:06:31] recovery would generate instead of one
hundred nine thousand dollars which at
[1:06:37] thirty percent would be a hundred nine
thousand dollars to the city from our
[1:06:40] partners it would reduce it to eighty
two thousand dollars so at fifteen
[1:06:46] percent which is what's being proposed
by Susan's in the advisory board would
[1:06:52] get a start in the right direction but
we'd only generate thirty eight thousand
[1:06:57] dollars so we've gone from what should
was a hundred nine thousand down to 82
[1:07:02] to only collecting 80 to only collecting
thirty eight thousand dollars
[1:07:08] you know club clubs aqualified
need to meet the standard guidelines by
[1:07:15] name or New Jersey providing insurance
financials you know a regular basis and
[1:07:21] I would say you know they need to do
that as far as the name is so forth and
[1:07:24] in business name and also on their patch
on their jersey but also what they
[1:07:29] decided was that it would be financials
regularly in rosters as well
[1:07:38] the rec program is growing at such a
large rate right now I think you have
[1:07:43] another program coming online where more
fields are going to be you need to be
[1:07:47] utilized and with the stress of the
partners is taking up fuel space so rec
[1:07:55] kids aren't able you're going to be able
to participate to the degree that they
[1:08:00] were the only other couple points I'd
like to make is that there is an
[1:08:08] opportunity for those clubs to generate
more income and I think we've welcomed
[1:08:12] that because if you look at our revenue
over the past years our revenue is going
[1:08:17] up from fulfilled rentals in Jim rentals
- in 2014 of $85,000 it's down to
[1:08:24] $48,000 right now and the reason it's
down is because we haven't had the
[1:08:28] fields to rent we've been doing the
partnership thing another reason it's
[1:08:32] down is because we have not done quite
as many tournaments as we've done in the
[1:08:36] past but that's a great opportunity for
our partners to get on board with doing
[1:08:41] tournaments and generating income
because a lot of them in charge of you
[1:08:45] know parking fee fee for you know the
club's is coming in play so there's a
[1:08:51] great opportunity there to generate the
money but if you break it down by player
[1:08:54] on those teams we're really talking
about eight dollars and forty one cents
[1:08:59] where the REC kids are paying $16 to
play so it's 50 percent of what a rec
[1:09:06] player would be I think this is a very
good start in the right direction but I
[1:09:11] think we're going to have to address
this again because of the cost factors
[1:09:16] that it costs to run this facility I
think you'll see it moving - probably
[1:09:20] proposed 15% this year
20% next 25% the following year and then
[1:09:26] the 30% at least with maybe a higher
participation rate so I think that's
[1:09:32] something we need you know the council
needs to start thinking about but I
[1:09:36] think this is very generous and very
[1:09:40] you know trying to not push anybody out
the door but be very fair and equitable
[1:09:44] for all and that's the tough part
because it we have to be fair to the
[1:09:50] taxpayer but we can't break these teams
in the process of getting there so we
[1:09:55] can or not yeah
and that we have to be very mindful that
[1:09:58] that's part of the reason why I said all
these teams are different they have
[1:10:02] different needs they react differently
the the size the size of the programs
[1:10:07] are very different and but yet somehow
we have to come up with a uniform
[1:10:11] standard that works and that is a very
very tough job well in particular when
[1:10:19] you if we don't offer one like Pop
Warner I can't take that in the same
[1:10:23] league as everybody as some of the
others which we do offer baseball we do
[1:10:27] offer softball we do offer a number of
other sports so I'd be tough to apply
[1:10:34] uniformly however I am in agreements you
know I'm looking at two hats here but
[1:10:41] daughter that plays with the panther
organization is stellar program I see
[1:10:44] coach over there I do a wonderful job as
a parent I know where I lie its accounts
[1:10:49] Minh I got to look at the the fact that
our Parks and Rec are paying more than
[1:10:54] our private organizations are if that is
indeed what the numbers are saying now
[1:10:59] when they bring in contributions if the
numbers add up where it's balancing out
[1:11:03] then all right we take that a
consideration but I feel comfortable
[1:11:08] moving in the direction that we're going
to move right now I'll have more to say
[1:11:11] later one one quick comment these
partners do a lot for the city in terms
[1:11:18] of kids playing we value everything they
do and I think we were trying to
[1:11:25] demonstrate that through this proposal
but at the same time if they bring money
[1:11:30] in to a field and make an improvement
that improvement is not just taken
[1:11:37] lightly we reimburse them through
non-payment you have to value it
[1:11:42] absolutely good about you when it said
they're totally real
[1:11:45] verse four that the value that give us
so or to give to the city so let's hear
[1:11:50] something before we hear from the public
are there any questions for Susan oh no
[1:11:55] questions no comments questions yeah I
wanted to ask about the the time
[1:12:01] availability on the fields visit have
you seen an uptick in it is it is it
[1:12:06] loosened up I get calls from both sides
I can't get one then I see a drama by
[1:12:10] fields wide open so I I'm curious as to
what what's looking like so right now is
[1:12:19] the worst time of year okay we're in our
baseball softball season we have all of
[1:12:25] our partners who are trying to have
space for their practices and games we
[1:12:31] also I wish you wish you could spend
some time with Josh and Hannah the chart
[1:12:38] that they can't move that fast the
Charter schedule everybody the nuances
[1:12:44] are some of the groups don't have their
schedules for their games until late we
[1:12:49] try to do our scheduling a month out
some groups we get rain right so some of
[1:12:58] the groups were actually starting to
schedule in rain dates so that that they
[1:13:02] can be able to have those set days but
if they do get rained out during the
[1:13:05] week no me they have a Saturday or
Sunday so we're working with our groups
[1:13:09] to try and figure that out but we've
also had south wind Soccer Complex was
[1:13:13] down for an entire year
you know just due to the turf we rotate
[1:13:19] people so sometimes when you see a field
empty it's because maybe we had soccer
[1:13:24] up there for the last six weeks in the
field is just destroyed the parks crew
[1:13:28] has to come in they have to top dress
air rate and as you know Bermuda grass
[1:13:33] does not grow until the time
we get about 60 degrees all the time so
[1:13:38] Bermuda grass is not grown so you out
there and do whatever we need to do to
[1:13:41] those fields you can't make grass grow
and temperatures that it doesn't grow in
[1:13:46] so we try to rotate fields we try to
keep the integrity of those fields so
[1:13:52] that we're not coming to you every year
and saying we need to resize these
[1:13:56] fields at $100,000 a field you know I
I've been here for 16 years the fields
[1:14:05] at City Center the original turf is on
that field Bermuda grass breaks down
[1:14:09] after about ten years you should be
resigned so the more that the turf
[1:14:13] breaks down the more maintenance it's
going to take to keep it up and the more
[1:14:18] wear and tear it's gonna affect it so
but we get it right it's a balance we go
[1:14:25] through the budget every year we
understand and and our guys work really
[1:14:28] hard so that we don't have to have that
big ask but we are getting to that point
[1:14:34] where our field usage is so saturated
certain times of the year there's other
[1:14:39] times the year that it's not and that
we're gonna run into these problems as
[1:14:44] our programs go as these new housing
developments and apartments come on
[1:14:48] they're gonna come with kids those kids
these programs you know which could be a
[1:14:56] good problem could be a bad problem I'm
not sure yet but those are things we're
[1:14:59] trying to plan for we're trying not to
be reactive we're trying to be proactive
[1:15:03] and that's why sometimes you might see a
field empty or something like that a
[1:15:08] while ago I made a suggestion and asked
if we could get a quote for re clean the
[1:15:17] field with some real quality stuff you
know things out that think rains for ten
[1:15:23] minutes we're done for the next five
days I would in your opinion would that
[1:15:28] make a huge difference and we got the
clay at Spruce Creek raising 912 a.m.
[1:15:36] for 912 p.m. we're ready to play at 4
o'clock mm-hmm so
[1:15:42] so there's a lot of things right clay
mixtures come in all different makeups
[1:15:46] the old man friggin your junior colleges
colleges usually play like an 80/20 we
[1:15:51] have 80% klay Thompson San those fields
are tarp they're covered more clay you
[1:15:57] have less the water will go through it
when we built the fields at crossing the
[1:16:03] Phil that was used underneath those
fields came from the well field the
[1:16:07] ponds you know so there were some
savings cost savings in the budget at
[1:16:11] that time which you know the fields at
city center or built on top of a dump
[1:16:17] okay so when you build a field there's a
lot that has to happen and where we
[1:16:23] build our fields for recreational use
that has been at least what I've been
[1:16:26] understood is how we maintain you
maintain to the recreational user we
[1:16:30] don't maintain to the high school we
don't maintain to the college we don't
[1:16:35] maintain to the minor leagues we
maintain to unless that changes that's
[1:16:37] at least been our marching orders as you
get more clay in less sand it requires a
[1:16:45] lot more maintenance when I get too much
sand problem I'm hearing now is that
[1:16:50] some more fields are too sandy sand
helps percolate the water which helps us
[1:16:55] get fields going faster some some crews
are are real big on using the diamond
[1:17:02] dry you know that kitty litter type
stuff you're on the fields our
[1:17:06] maintenance department is comfortable
with a certain bag I think it's five
[1:17:10] bags free back on the field and the
reason is is we can't get it off so
[1:17:16] guess what when we stop having rain it
dries the fields out and they become as
[1:17:20] hard as concrete again we maintain to
the recreational user which is the kid
[1:17:25] who maybe has never played ball before
we don't want the ball ricocheting off
[1:17:29] the hard end field and hitting someone
in the head I'm always nervous with some
[1:17:33] slides in at home yeah so one of the
things we did go to is also keep in mind
[1:17:37] and we need to wrap this partner because
this is not germane to the topic that
[1:17:41] we're discussing but we did do clay
bricks at all of our home plates which
[1:17:46] now cross the I thinks at the 10-year
mark and they're not being mean earlier
[1:17:49] than we put it so it's it's a balance
it's definitely a balance based on our
[1:17:54] budgets and based on on what were what
we're maintaining - everybody's
[1:17:58] different any other questions for Susan
before we go to the public and we'll
[1:18:03] come back to us you're off the hook for
now thanks Susan we would like to speak
[1:18:08] to this anyone anyone at all I don't
let's come on up do me a favor
[1:18:15] you all get three minutes each come on
up what I would ask is since there are
[1:18:20] multiple people wanting to speak just be
in the ready position so that when one
[1:18:26] person's done we can move on to the next
and do me a favor when you come up
[1:18:29] introduce yourself and tell us who
you're with I am a president
[1:18:55] relationships I also try to find
different community events for our
[1:19:00] players to take part in our mission
statement we are nonprofit our mission
[1:19:04] statement is to help our players grow
through the sport of volleyball if they
[1:19:08] get to college and get scholarship
that's great but it's really to grow and
[1:19:11] develop them as individuals so we differ
Rachael do me a favor pull that mic what
[1:19:18] everybody out there okay so we do have a
mission statement and it's to grow
[1:19:21] through the sport of volleyball and I'm
sorry mr. Stiltner but I beg to differ
[1:19:25] it is very hard to keep that 50 percent
we are competing with for-profit
[1:19:30] volleyball clubs and we cannot afford
and nor will we as a board member waste
[1:19:34] our money flooding the schools with
flyers so we work very hard I work very
[1:19:39] hard in my spare time trying to develop
different relationships to get children
[1:19:43] out the other thing you guys do such a
great job with your recreational program
[1:19:47] in the summer that we get whole teams of
new sumona players coming over and that
[1:19:52] is not our fault you guys just do such a
great job that kids from other areas are
[1:19:56] coming to you know do your programs and
then they want to continue to play and
[1:20:00] competitive volleyball and they play
with us which is great also a lot of
[1:20:06] these families spend probably 3 to 5
days a week and the city of Port Orange
[1:20:11] and that's no lie and they come we have
some from DeLand New Smyrna Edgewater
[1:20:15] and they spend probably hundreds to
thousands of dollars a week if you think
[1:20:20] about groceries or oil changes or tires
and again that's no lie we have some
[1:20:24] parents here that can attest to that we
also meet the 50 percent guidelines
[1:20:30] which we're very proud of we work hard
this past year we tend not to brag about
[1:20:35] ourselves but this past year we
participated in the port orange parade
[1:20:39] we are also at the Family Days we also
fund raised I'll have to look at my list
[1:20:44] because we did a lot we just recently
donated clothes for women and children
[1:20:49] to the Children's Home Society at
Christmastime we donated clothing to
[1:20:54] Healthy Start in Daytona and they
distribute to families mostly homeless
[1:20:58] women and children around the county we
also donated at Christmastime food to
[1:21:03] family support orange elementary because
there were no other
[1:21:06] openes that were stepping up once we did
there were other companies but we did
[1:21:10] pull together and we've done other
events as well
[1:21:15] we also are limited to six to seven
months to two other programs that we
[1:21:20] always step aside for and we are so
thankful to the city and the recs
[1:21:24] everybody at the Rec is so wonderful to
our parents we love them and we actually
[1:21:29] almost feel like we're definitely part
of the city of Port Orange we have our
[1:21:34] 15 you team is actually ranked number 26
in the state and if any of you have any
[1:21:41] questions I'll be more than happy to
meet you for coffee if you have
[1:21:43] questions about how we can all grow
together but please take into
[1:21:47] consideration that thank you thanks
Rachel good evening guys
[1:21:56] mayor council my name is Mike Bellis I'm
a director of the Port Orange baseball
[1:22:01] club however I'm the director of the
girls division I direct all of the teams
[1:22:06] and I coach three of the teams if you
recall I was the coach of our state
[1:22:11] championship team that represented Port
Orange in the state and also into the
[1:22:15] world series this year we took two teams
down to Puerto Rico for a trip down
[1:22:19] there representing Port Orange I just
want to say first and foremost that our
[1:22:24] city
relationship with our Parks and
[1:22:27] Recreation is at an all-time high
it's phenomenal they work hard they work
[1:22:32] to get us what we desire we Bend they
Bend we get asked to participate we
[1:22:39] participate we get asked to move our
times we move our times we asked for
[1:22:43] some things from them and more times
than not we get everything we asked for
[1:22:47] they are phenomenal okay so getting into
the participation our goal was a hundred
[1:22:54] percent Port Orange participation and
one of the things on the girls side we
[1:22:58] have a very high rate participation for
what we're finding out is when the
[1:23:01] families at no choice if their children
are moving away they do not want to
[1:23:06] leave so the kids still travel back here
a lot of West Volusia and it's not
[1:23:10] Outsiders coming in these are old ex
Port Orange residents that do not want
[1:23:16] to give up the connection what
friends their teams their coaches in
[1:23:19] their community so real quick I'm an
accountant I live in the numbers okay I
[1:23:25] understand the numbers I understand the
budgets I understand there's one line
[1:23:30] item that I believe that I have not
heard tonight I've not heard in any of
[1:23:34] our meetings in our conversations and
that's the investment in the kids we
[1:23:38] cannot put a number on what these kids
are getting they're off the streets
[1:23:42] they're investing in our other teams we
have girls coaching younger teams these
[1:23:48] children are becoming something because
of what we do because of all of our
[1:23:53] volunteer time that we put in that
there's no line item that's going to
[1:23:57] ever cover the payback that we're going
to receive from these children being a
[1:24:03] part of this community the sense of
community that they have that they bring
[1:24:07] I'm very very proud when an ex-player
that goes to college calls me up and
[1:24:13] says coach can I take a team and it just
it's phenomenal
[1:24:17] there's not going to be a line item no
matter what chart we use and what chart
[1:24:21] we look at that the investment in the
child and what it will do a payback in
[1:24:25] the community compared to any line any
percent any red mark whatever we all
[1:24:30] want to we budget we go over our budgets
constantly and all we want to do is make
[1:24:36] sure the kids have somewhere to play and
they love to play here the families love
[1:24:40] it we've come from nothing we come up
the girls side has come from one team
[1:24:44] with eight girls six seven teams hundred
kids and the travel feeds the rack the
[1:24:50] rec feeds the travel it is a true
partnership Thank You mayor council
[1:25:00] thanks for having me I'm Tim Moore I've
grown up in Port Orange and I've enjoyed
[1:25:05] playing sports throughout my childhood
in to second when he just said I really
[1:25:12] can't
second that enough growing up having new
[1:25:16] sports keeping you playing team sports
rather than in doing anything else I
[1:25:23] mean it was my favorite thing absolute
favorite thing growing up and I think
[1:25:25] that's what you need to ask yourself are
are you for or against youth sports
[1:25:31] because if you're gonna increase the
fees by 50% or more you're saying here
[1:25:37] against it and what I'm hearing is just
missed opportunities at getting that
[1:25:44] financial to connect you know just you
don't just go to the the partners and
[1:25:50] say hey you want you know we need 50%
more you know the way I see it the deal
[1:25:54] was there's a lot of gem time not being
used you know here's a partner that says
[1:25:59] we'll pay you X amount of dollars for
this much gem time and you make the deal
[1:26:04] and and now you want to say you know we
need more money we need 50 percent more
[1:26:07] money and you know that's not how I do I
I can't do business like that you know
[1:26:14] my customers wouldn't put up with that
but to support youth athletics is the
[1:26:20] most important thing in this area
because there is not a lot of good
[1:26:23] opportunities a lot of good options in
this area especially no offense but what
[1:26:28] you guys offer to the Portland
recreation is is the low level the very
[1:26:36] lowest level of experienced for these
kids and when you start stepping it up a
[1:26:41] notch and up a notch you know I have a
13 year old daughter who loves
[1:26:44] volleyball and she wants to play
volleyball at Silver Sands and they have
[1:26:48] a varsity team she's not good enough to
make the team the one season that you
[1:26:53] guys do for Portland's volleyball the
porns recreation which is two months
[1:26:56] long does not cut it I asked the
Athletics that supervisor over there he
[1:27:02] said there no in media plans to have any
more seasons for volleyball but a
[1:27:06] two-month season is not enough my
daughter wants to play high school
[1:27:10] volleyball and in a club like this gives
sort of the opportunity to get college
[1:27:14] scholarships and in that investment and
the kids is the absolute main thing so
[1:27:20] to to support any kind of increase in
this is terrible decision because throw
[1:27:30] some more tournaments on the weekend if
you want to make a few extra thousand
[1:27:33] dollars I had to just drive to Orlando I
paid $10 admission for me and my family
[1:27:37] each person you know it's the money's
there
[1:27:40] you just have to there's better ways to
get it then because it's already almost
[1:27:45] out of reach by the time you have paid
coaches paid time it's very expensive if
[1:27:51] you want to help your kids get to the
next level and in Port Orange does not
[1:27:57] offer enough opportunities and POV is
filling that gap thank you thanks to no
[1:28:05] stranger I'm Mike tomorrow president
porins baseball club I'm well versed on
[1:28:11] this topic I'm on the Parks and Rec
board me and Jack fought for hours on
[1:28:14] this I'm just here to say I know the
rate increase I know you know it has to
[1:28:20] go through my only fear is new club
starting like the tennis programs clubs
[1:28:25] that don't have the membership we do the
bigger clubs are able to absorb these
[1:28:30] membership issues and me and Jack have
discussed this these membership issues
[1:28:35] you know when you you have 200
participants it's easy a rate change is
[1:28:40] not gonna kill a organization but when
an organization and I know when we
[1:28:44] started out we had six players you know
we showed up the first day put orange
[1:28:47] you know we were down to six people I
don't know what volleyball started out
[1:28:50] with eight people you got the tennis
program with 12
[1:28:53] that's my only cautions we need to look
into somehow coming up with a cost way
[1:28:58] for smaller clubs they don't use as much
field so they don't use but you don't
[1:29:02] send where we can still make it because
like they're saying the recreation to a
[1:29:06] point gets these kids so far but when
the kids want that extra you know part
[1:29:11] of the city should be for us to give
them that extra I'd give them the
[1:29:13] opportunity to get that extra so that's
my caution on it is I don't want to
[1:29:18] price everyone out we're little
organizations cannot start you know like
[1:29:22] we started I don't want to see someone
not be able to come behind me doing the
[1:29:26] same thing we did start with a small
organization and build it up so thank
[1:29:30] you appreciate
[1:29:37] hello i'm chelsea nichols i'm a resident
of portland and had been for 14 years
[1:29:43] my daughter currently plays for port
orange volleyball prior to that she was
[1:29:47] at the port orange ymca and then went
over to the rack and worked with josh
[1:29:51] and hannah throughout their program for
a couple of seasons it got to the point
[1:29:55] where i noticed she was not doing as
well in growing as a volleyball player
[1:30:00] at that point i knew she needed to go to
a competitive club um unfortunately I'm
[1:30:05] a single parent and sometimes that was
just out of reach for me
[1:30:09] so in Port Orange came around and they
offered you know partnerships community
[1:30:15] partnerships where my daughter and I'd
go out every season we hit businesses
[1:30:20] and let them know that we are a
nonprofit organization 80% of this you
[1:30:24] know partnership that we get goes
directly to my daughter's volleyball
[1:30:27] account which in turn helps me pay for
it you know and Port Orange volleyball
[1:30:33] is cheaper than a lot of the volleyball
clubs here in Volusia County and even
[1:30:38] Seminole County and they are constantly
out there doing their job to promote not
[1:30:44] only their club but the city itself you
know I mean Josh and Hannah know those
[1:30:49] girls walk in there these little girls
look at him and they know who they are
[1:30:52] they have no problem volunteering with
their club or just saying hey do you
[1:30:56] need help I'll come help you coach these
kids or you know help train or do
[1:31:01] classes with them portal arms volleyball
is very about you know all about the
[1:31:05] community and in order to stay that way
they keep their fees low so single
[1:31:11] parents parents who you know have you
know families I have two working parents
[1:31:15] can still afford to live and get their
kids involved in sports and stay active
[1:31:20] in the community and essentially keep
them out of trouble thank you very much
[1:31:25] thank you
[1:31:30] hello good afternoon and thank you for
the time for giving us the opportunity
[1:31:34] to speak here today my name is Samuel
green I am a resident of the city of
[1:31:40] Edgewater formerly a resident of the
city of Port Orange currently looking to
[1:31:48] be a resident again okay now I you might
hear from my accent it might come out
[1:31:54] when I get a little excited and I'm not
from originally from here but I am a US
[1:31:59] an American
sounds like a port orange accent it
[1:32:02] sounds like a port I'm Jesse okay right
but so I grew up in in Kingston Jamaica
[1:32:08] and it's a different environment there
competitive sports weren't necessarily
[1:32:14] on the dossier for someone for all kids
to participate in a lot of programs that
[1:32:19] are evolved were from based based
primarily out of schools and and what
[1:32:26] you'll find if you go down to Jamaica in
the month of April you'll see you saying
[1:32:30] boat running our own on a blue track
down there right
[1:32:33] but track and field cricket some other
sports are there I say that to say this
[1:32:39] organized sports here in this particular
city have provided an opportunity that I
[1:32:46] didn't have for my kids and all of us
want for our children to do better and
[1:32:51] have more opportunities than we had for
ourselves right and so coming to this
[1:32:55] country coming to this city
when I came here to fly airplanes at
[1:33:01] embry-riddle Aeronautical University
having received three degrees from that
[1:33:06] University know I set my sights on doing
things that can better the children
[1:33:12] around me I've coached individuals for
10 years at the U at the YMCA and now
[1:33:19] when we're looking for an opportunity to
step our game up we look for an
[1:33:24] organization or several organizations I
have three children that are competitive
[1:33:29] or in competitive sports we looked
around hard and fast and we found that
[1:33:34] Port Orange volleyball fit the bill not
only just for competition but for
[1:33:40] character when you talk about growth
through the sport of volleyball it means
[1:33:45] more than just technique it means more
than just winning it means more than
[1:33:50] just showing up and showing off it means
being a person that can commit and to a
[1:33:57] community to others and help them grow
you've heard a little bit about what
[1:34:02] port and volleyball is done in the
community I have about 30 seconds left
[1:34:07] but I have three children I said two
girls play volleyball at Port Orange
[1:34:12] volleyball so you can imagine that the
bill gets a little expensive and if it
[1:34:16] weren't for the opportunity to offset
those costs through the way that this
[1:34:20] club has has structured it it would be a
little bit difficult and unbearable my
[1:34:25] third kid plays here involved in in
soccer in this city as well so we spend
[1:34:30] a lot of time here in this city thank
you I know my times up but I appreciate
[1:34:35] the time thank you for hearing me out
thank you good evening I'm Mike sample
[1:34:44] I'm a resident Creek Water Boulevard
here in Port Orange I have two daughters
[1:34:48] that play volleyball for Port Orange
volleyball I just happened to be
[1:34:53] flipping through my phone last night and
going through some old photos with my
[1:34:56] oldest daughter and looking at how she
played when she played YMCA ball right
[1:35:01] next door just two years ago and the
level of athletics that has increased of
[1:35:08] my daughter's from their participation
in this sport has been incredible just
[1:35:13] remember as porterage residents we just
went through a tax increase and I
[1:35:17] realized that there are always expending
uh increases in expenses that we have to
[1:35:22] offset but this is almost a 60% increase
in what our user fees will be for using
[1:35:27] the gym here and I think that's just
really really steep I think we need to
[1:35:31] look at how much of a jump that is not
that we don't shouldn't be paying a
[1:35:36] little bit more but I think any place
that we're increasing by 60% is a
[1:35:40] tremendous jump and especially when
we're increasing and then we're
[1:35:43] decreasing the amount of time that we're
going to
[1:35:45] to use it so I I get less practice time
for my kids to be there and make the
[1:35:49] most of that money a lot of things that
some of the people said here we're very
[1:35:54] true that I'd even think about you know
a lot of our teammates come from
[1:35:57] Edgewater New Smyrna they'll come up for
practice drop the kids off they'll eat
[1:36:01] at the local restaurants we'll go do our
grocery shopping in the area it does
[1:36:05] benefit the the city and you know my
daughter today signed up for her classes
[1:36:09] at Spruce Creek and what she's really
looking forward to is going from playing
[1:36:13] Port Orange volleyball to playing at
Fort oranges high school at Spruce Creek
[1:36:17] and really making a name for herself
there so that's all I'm asking is really
[1:36:22] look at the size of this a jump and and
take that into consideration for US
[1:36:26] taxpayers you know we do make up more
than 50 percent of the team and it feels
[1:36:31] like it's a double hitting we're getting
hit with an increased tax rate and an
[1:36:35] increase in user fees at the same time
thank you
[1:36:42] good evening my name is sean holmes I'm
a Poteau inch resident as well and what
[1:36:46] is that subdivision actually my neighbor
I wanted to come up I know a lot of the
[1:36:51] different sports have been represented
president for the board for the port
[1:36:54] arms youth football and cheer
Association we probably have one at a
[1:36:58] larger number of kids that volunteer in
this community most of our kids are Port
[1:37:04] Orange kids unless they receive a waiver
for some reason that's approved that
[1:37:08] allows them to play football a cheer for
our teams with that being said my only
[1:37:13] concern with it my son plays he's been
playing he's been five years old he's
[1:37:18] now turning ten and he's been playing
ever since is that we are we face
[1:37:24] different challenges
so with football as you know we have
[1:37:26] equipment usage with some of the
concerns with concussions and things
[1:37:30] like that almost on a yearly basis we
have to make some changes to our helmets
[1:37:34] and our shoulder pads and things like
that so this year for instance we had to
[1:37:38] spend somewhere up was close to almost
$30,000 because we have to replace all
[1:37:43] of our helmets because they're now out
of regulation at a minimum almost every
[1:37:49] three years we have to replace equipment
just because of a simple wear and tear
[1:37:53] that goes from practice pants now to
gain pants that gets torn up is not
[1:37:58] suitable for the game and of course we
want our kids to look presentable
[1:38:01] but more so is to show the pads and the
helmets we do have numbers in the
[1:38:05] neighborhood of one hundred and twenty
two hundred and thirty kids but we've
[1:38:09] also begin to see a decrease in that
number as well we have more competition
[1:38:13] Daytona has about three teams now one is
a Pop Warner team they also have two
[1:38:18] teams that are not under Pop Warner as
you know the pop one we have a limit on
[1:38:23] the weight to control any kind of
injuries with these non-weighted teams
[1:38:28] they don't have that and sometimes their
fees are a lot less than ours because
[1:38:32] some of the challenges and regulations
but we have to meet they don't have to
[1:38:36] meet those pop one and generalize seen
anywhere from a two to five percent
[1:38:40] decrease over the last five years and we
also experiencing that as well so we're
[1:38:45] trying to do things a little differently
to bring more kids out especially for
[1:38:49] the mature side but the football is
really important I played football since
[1:38:52] I was a kid all the way up to college
and
[1:38:55] the leadership skills and their
relationships more importantly I develop
[1:38:59] over those years it's very important so
please take that into consideration as
[1:39:02] well when you're looking at these
increases that some of the costs we
[1:39:05] experience from a football side just
from the equipment upkeep and changes
[1:39:10] thank you good evening Lauren valley
from Port Orange volleyball ID you heard
[1:39:21] my parents perspective I just wanted to
give you some highlights and some other
[1:39:24] things that I didn't hear expressed from
some of our supporters tonight
[1:39:28] r17 you they have made the gold bracket
two out of three of their tournament so
[1:39:33] far this season
the 15 you is ranked as we said
[1:39:37] mentioned earlier they're there in the
top 25 of the state of USA Volleyball
[1:39:41] they've also been ranked topped anywhere
from third to fifth place playing open
[1:39:46] which is against the toughest
competition not only in the state but
[1:39:49] also in the country our 14 you has been
placing in the gold in the silver
[1:39:55] bracket they actually just won the
silver bracket at a you Super Regionals
[1:39:58] our 12 you first year all Port Orange
residents they ranked high one the
[1:40:05] silver bracket in our last tournament
top eighth and gold in their first
[1:40:08] tournament our co-sponsors us and our
community sponsors we worked
[1:40:12] tremendously together to offset the cost
for our kids
[1:40:16] volleyball is incredibly expensive I
kind of feel like we're here tonight
[1:40:20] because we keep here in fields and then
the gym got pumped into a lot of this so
[1:40:26] I understand both sides we do have to
bring in more money to the city at the
[1:40:31] same time we've always been very much
willing to work with the the Parks and
[1:40:35] Rec to find ways to do that we recently
were just told now when we do host an
[1:40:40] event we can't charge admissions as one
of the dad said we drove all the way out
[1:40:44] to Orlando and he's paying $10 a day
since we weren't able to do that there
[1:40:49] was some I guess research with the echo
grant now we're able to do that I would
[1:40:53] propose kid we host more than just two
events in our contract I have no problem
[1:40:58] you know giving that money back into the
city that keeps us and my family and all
[1:41:02] of our players from having to go to
Orlando into Jacksonville and we'll be
[1:41:06] actually going to Georgia here in April
to
[1:41:07] go to Big South to a qualifier those
events we can't shy away from because we
[1:41:12] do have some teams that do compete
against some of the best teams in the
[1:41:15] nation and that's where we find them but
some of our local and regional teams
[1:41:19] that would be a huge savings to our
family and also generate more revenue by
[1:41:24] bringing in the Jacksonville Orlando
teams to us and putting more money back
[1:41:27] into our community we never have turned
away a kid any kid that can't afford a
[1:41:34] program per se we do still try to find a
way to get training for them we look for
[1:41:38] sponsorships for them we do whatever we
can to help them we have kids that are
[1:41:42] also playing beach volleyball
we had about 36 kids playing Beach for
[1:41:47] us last year we had some even in the top
10 ranked for us a volleyball as young
[1:41:51] as seven and eight years old most of
them are all Port Orange residents just
[1:41:55] like we've met our residency requirement
we don't have any current beach courts
[1:41:59] that's something that we're working very
you know hard towards they say we need
[1:42:04] about 30 grand so we've got to do a lot
more fundraising but those are other
[1:42:09] things that would add to the rec
programs we could bring beach volleyball
[1:42:13] boys volleyball things we want to expand
upon him thank you for your time yes
[1:42:26] volleyball my name is Erin Greco I'm a
mom with Port Orange volleyball I'm a
[1:42:33] nurse in Port Orange as well served in
the Army came back to Port Orange we
[1:42:39] love it here and I just want to point
out that one of the reasons why we love
[1:42:42] it in Port Orange is the low crime rate
our kids you know as they get older
[1:42:49] they'll want to stay in Port Orange
raise their families as well so if you
[1:42:54] increase the cost of you know our kids
playing for teams like Port Orange
[1:43:00] volleyball it's for the single parents
the you know a lot of the parents that
[1:43:07] live in the community they're not going
to be able to and I think by them
[1:43:12] playing for these teams the crime rate
will stay low they will get off the
[1:43:17] streets get active in in sports and it's
just a real
[1:43:21] important integral aspect so just take
that into consideration thank you okay
[1:43:32] I'm looking or okay come on come on ball
all roads are 607 powers having a poor
[1:43:41] tarnish and as you all know I am running
for District one what we're talking
[1:43:48] about here is Port Orange infrastructure
that everyone brings up and I'm gonna
[1:43:56] keep this quick we must keep the prices
within reach for the parents to keep our
[1:44:06] youth all in the fields and off the
streets thank you looking around anybody
[1:44:19] else last call last last call okay back
to us start this end this time Scott you
[1:44:30] started at this end last time I remember
great great comments great comments by
[1:44:37] everybody everybody brings great great
discussion to this topic so to clarify
[1:44:42] my comment about the 50% residency thing
my my feeling on that also has that be
[1:44:49] with the low cost recovery so you've got
a 50% residency requirement for pro for
[1:44:56] a program or a partnership that yields
back less than 10% recovery
[1:45:01] one of the gentlemen Minister mentioned
being in business you wouldn't do that
[1:45:04] in business you wouldn't you wouldn't
manufacture a product and sell it for
[1:45:08] ten percent of what it cost you to
manufacture the product other folks
[1:45:12] talked about the investment in the
children in the community I agree 100%
[1:45:16] you know so right now that the taxpayer
is making that investment over 90% so
[1:45:21] we're talking about a recreation
recovery and our for our recreational
[1:45:26] programs that yield back a 30 percent
cost recovery where our private
[1:45:32] partnership
grams or less than 10% and so that's
[1:45:36] that's just out of balance that just
doesn't work it's not right you know
[1:45:40] what I'm saying and so that's that's
like that's one issue a correlation with
[1:45:43] the with the 50% is if we had a higher
cost recovery rate than maybe the 50%
[1:45:50] it's not so bad but it's we're at 50%
and our cost recovery is less than than
[1:45:55] 10% I'm trying to get to 15 or 20 and
30% so that's just to clarify that
[1:46:02] because I know a couple of you mentioned
that and so I just wanted to clarify
[1:46:04] that the connection with that we talked
a couple of you mentioned budgets you're
[1:46:10] right there's a lot about budgets
somebody at the end of the day has to
[1:46:14] pay for the facilities the maintenance
the staff all those things in the last
[1:46:19] the last budget year we had a tax
increase and that tax increase included
[1:46:25] things for Parks and Rec to be able to
maintain facilities hire additional
[1:46:30] staff all that kind of stuff so that
investment is being made the council is
[1:46:35] making that investment the taxpayers
holistically are making that investment
[1:46:40] we've been talking about for years the
need to expand our Parks and Rec
[1:46:45] infrastructure somebody's got to pay for
it right it's not just gonna happen so
[1:46:50] the the income the revenue is going to
have to be acquired to be able to not
[1:46:56] only maintain programs and facilities
and organizations and all the things we
[1:47:00] have now but if you want to expand upon
that and build that into the future you
[1:47:05] have to have a budget you have to have a
plan of how you're going to do that I
[1:47:09] don't know how you're going to have
increased additional cost going up also
[1:47:15] the need the desire to build new
facilities which are going to require
[1:47:18] more increased cost and operation and
staff and yet continue to have a
[1:47:24] partnership or partnerships that yield
back such a low recovery rate with a
[1:47:29] very low residency rate as well so the
trick I think there is we're all just
[1:47:35] trying to find the balance and everybody
brings great points there's no question
[1:47:38] you know if money wasn't an issue here
none of us would be sitting here tonight
[1:47:41] having this discussion but it all is
going to come down to
[1:47:45] how you set the fundus and you have to
pay for these things and so that's the
[1:47:49] balance and I think that's that's what
counsel was trying to do is find the
[1:47:53] balance so we can continue to move our
programs and our facilities forward for
[1:47:57] everybody that's using Parks and Rec and
also so we can continue to look and how
[1:48:01] do we move forward in the future just in
general the investment you spoke about
[1:48:10] the investment and how that correlates
back to the benefit of the community and
[1:48:13] lower crime rates I agree I think having
more things for our youth to do and our
[1:48:19] families to do and how they get involved
in the community is it's it's part of
[1:48:24] the soup recipe if you will right so
it's great again it just all boils back
[1:48:30] to how do you get there you still got to
get there it's still gonna come down to
[1:48:33] you know building new facilities
building new gyms building bigger fields
[1:48:38] more fields all these different types of
things and so those costs are very real
[1:48:43] you have to figure out how to get there
and because I can tell you that tax
[1:48:48] increases every year is not sustainable
that's not gonna be a way to do it
[1:48:51] that's just not gonna happen
you can't you just can't continue to do
[1:48:54] that we've we've fallen behind a little
bit over the years we've been trying to
[1:48:58] make some gradual catch-up and sometimes
things don't always work out great as a
[1:49:03] percentage and sometimes you're better
off looking at them as a flat fee you
[1:49:07] know and different things like that and
you mentioned being in the numbers and
[1:49:10] you're right there's a lot of numbers
involved when you're when you're looking
[1:49:12] at these types of issues so but I truly
appreciate everybody's comments and
[1:49:17] suggestions okay I too appreciate the
comments and and everybody showing up
[1:49:34] and and you know supporting and speaking
on this but you know I tend to agree a
[1:49:41] bit of the councilmen still doing it the
current fee is four thousand dollars
[1:49:45] annually for the fee and world
and roughly five and a half percent
[1:49:50] that's not sustainable trying to recoup
15% is going to raise the fees
[1:49:56] significantly and we're still you know
it there's still a huge variance as to
[1:50:02] what were recoupment now it shouldn't be
a hundred percent recouping because I
[1:50:09] mean that just doesn't make sense but
with the popularity of Port Orange where
[1:50:13] it's 61 thousand roughly now which is
bringing more kids in to do more
[1:50:20] recreational programs and we still have
to try to balance is the problem is
[1:50:25] trying to balance the recreational use
with the partnerships and and and make
[1:50:32] it all work and I don't know how you do
that Josh and them over there with the
[1:50:38] scheduling it's got to just be crazy
trying to get everybody scheduled and
[1:50:43] just keeping track of that all it's just
mind boggling but people mentioned you
[1:50:49] know the tax rate and we did have a tax
increase but if to my knowledge I think
[1:50:53] at four for eight and some change we're
still about the third third lowest maybe
[1:50:58] in the county and you know our neighbors
I don't know exactly what all the other
[1:51:02] cities are charging for rec fees and I'm
sure we're close in line or you know
[1:51:07] fairly similar but they're also bringing
in over two more Mills and we are there
[1:51:13] South Daytona Daytona are well over six
closer to seven and that's you know
[1:51:18] that's not something where we're going
or where we want to go trying to keep
[1:51:23] everything affordable in the balance is
the difficult part in this and try to
[1:51:28] make it all work it's just very
difficult to provide added programs
[1:51:33] added infrastructure and and Scott's
right how are you going to pay for it
[1:51:37] where's the money coming from for either
additional land or infrastructure or
[1:51:42] time you can't you can't buy time so it
this is a tough one
[1:51:48] I agree it's a it's tough on y'all it's
tough on us to chase
[1:51:55] man mm-hmm well I echo I I appreciate
also the comments in several you know
[1:52:02] well-respected coaches come up longtime
friends I've known for a long time you
[1:52:08] know I and I understand that it's best
as anybody about being investment of the
[1:52:12] kids I've been coaching for a long time
about 19 years now 10 years right here
[1:52:19] in Port Orange coach at Spruce Creek I'm
the current head basketball coach at
[1:52:22] Spruce Creek high I've coached baseball
there and I've coached volleyball that
[1:52:26] was there as well and I grew up through
this Brett Department I coached travel
[1:52:30] ball competitive leagues in Augusta and
Atlanta I completely understand the
[1:52:35] situation and if I were in your position
I'd be saying the same thing exactly as
[1:52:43] you are I'd have been in the crowd and
frankly as a dad who has his daughters
[1:52:50] come up through here and one went to
Puerto Rico and participates it's in my
[1:52:54] best interest to not wave or to not
raise any penis it's it would benefit me
[1:53:00] it won't hurt me and I'm a paycheck to
paycheck on those tax increase hurt me
[1:53:04] big-time nevertheless I can't look at it
from that perspective I have to look at
[1:53:12] it from a budgetary fiscal responsible
perspective I don't know you know I
[1:53:19] don't know of any and again there and I
agree there is no price tag on the
[1:53:23] investment my issue is that can be said
with any any fee waiver any reduction
[1:53:29] that comes before us every time someone
comes up and asked for a fee waiver or
[1:53:33] reduction or not to increase something
it would be an investment whether it be
[1:53:37] an investment in their church investment
in their business investment in their
[1:53:41] nonprofit all sorts of great things
question I've got to look at at the end
[1:53:47] of the day is what is our duty what is
our role at the local government our
[1:53:52] local government's role is to provide
Parks and Rec that's it it's not to
[1:53:57] provide a competitive environment to
prepare people for college it's not
[1:54:05] I love it to be that's currently not a
role we changed that that mindset then
[1:54:11] we have a different direction and nobody
and I don't believe you know with
[1:54:16] respect that wanting to balance our
books a little better would indicate
[1:54:21] that we're against youth sports and you
know my dad coached going back to 1967
[1:54:28] right here in Volusia County a long time
so nobody is more in favor of youth
[1:54:34] sports I have to look at it from the
percentage perspective as the city
[1:54:38] government's role in what we're supposed
to do how we're supposed to allocate our
[1:54:43] funds and when it comes down to it I
don't know of another city around that
[1:54:50] does partnerships like this I just don't
know of any there might be a few but I
[1:54:54] just know that when I was in Atlanta
coaching a you or gusta and I went to
[1:54:58] City Hall and asked him to partner and
subsidize my program at 90%
[1:55:03] they'd laughed me out with that being
said I'm still not willing to give up
[1:55:11] our partnership but as councilman
Stiltner pointed out and it was in the
[1:55:19] presentation as well if our role is to
provide Parks and Rec and our cost
[1:55:25] recover rates 30 percent and a private
organization is yielding in 10 percent
[1:55:31] it's out of balance now I'm not
interested in raising it up 60 percent
[1:55:35] and pricing people out from the get-go
but I think there has to be a balance if
[1:55:41] we're going to partner up and that
that's that's we're on that right now
[1:55:46] councilman wiles go ahead jack now first
of all I want to thank all the partners
[1:55:52] who came out and met with us at the
Parks and Rec Advisory Board they really
[1:55:58] participated heavily
and told us all the great things they
[1:56:03] did in the community and certainly
getting the girls and the boys the kids
[1:56:08] off the street and bring them to a
higher level is you can't really have a
[1:56:12] a more satisfying feeling and doing that
as a coach and as a team so certainly
[1:56:23] appreciate all they do but as some of
you said I think Scott particularly you
[1:56:29] know what we were looking at was
sustainability you know if we continue
[1:56:32] down the path of where we were programs
just going to fold
[1:56:36] let me just we just couldn't do it so
we're trying to inch it up slowly and I
[1:56:40] think the partners that were there they
I know this is painful you know any time
[1:56:44] you raise fees it's painful but I think
they understand it's going to have to be
[1:56:49] ratcheted up at least aware the
eventually where the Parks and Rec
[1:56:55] participants pay it to 30% and I think
that's something just counsel and in the
[1:57:01] Parks and Rec Advisory Board will have
to look at at some point again we're
[1:57:05] gonna look at it again I think next next
year but the whole point is if you think
[1:57:09] about the $2,800 from a financial
standpoint you know that the increase
[1:57:13] you know based on the number of players
all of these teams have if you break it
[1:57:18] down from a financial standpoint you're
really talking about the lowest number
[1:57:23] of players that we have which is I think
273 players and Port Orange volleyball
[1:57:27] and believe it's where you guys have how
many yeah two seventy three seventy
[1:57:35] seventy okay take seventy into the 2800
and that's what it's going to cost each
[1:57:39] player per year so it's about what is
that forty four forty bucks
[1:57:45] right
so about 40 bucks a player so you know
[1:57:50] looking at 40 bucks of player annually
that's what it really breaks down to so
[1:57:56] that's what we're really talking about
2,800 dollars sounds like a lot of money
[1:57:58] but when you break it down per players
40 bucks when you take the largest group
[1:58:02] and break it down it's really only $30
per player so I mean I think parents to
[1:58:09] get their kids to play at a higher level
certainly I coach for 12 years I coach
[1:58:13] you know competitive ball for a number
of years with a pleasure fast pitch we
[1:58:18] had to go out and raise money through
sponsorships and we did that on a
[1:58:22] regular basis the girls you know they
went out and raised money and then you
[1:58:26] know porks our parents subsidize where
they could too so you know it can work
[1:58:31] it's just going to take a little more
work I think and we've got it guys I
[1:58:34] think this is a good starting place the
Port Orange volleyball you know we
[1:58:40] talked about fields but we need to talk
about the gym to which I think Fort Ord
[1:58:44] volleyball brought up
I think our gym rates are much higher
[1:58:47] that our field rates but we're charging
port orange volleyball Hill rates so
[1:58:51] they're getting a break of about 25
about 75% of what the gym rate is so
[1:58:57] they're already getting a large discount
compared to the fields so just putting
[1:59:03] everything in perspective I think this
is a good first start first wipe edit
[1:59:08] hoping that we don't lose any partners
we certainly value everything you guys
[1:59:14] do and certainly value you know teaching
our kids here in Port Orange
[1:59:19] particularly you know sports at a higher
level so they can compete bring back
[1:59:24] trophies there is one caveat to this I
would like to see you guys do more
[1:59:29] turning tournaments here in Port Orange
because there is a huge economic impact
[1:59:34] to that so if you can work it out where
you can get some fuel time a part of
[1:59:39] your time that you have and do
tournaments you can generate a lot of
[1:59:43] income have an economic impact to the
city in and make some money
[1:59:50] for the organization so you can do more
travel and put the girls up in hotel
[1:59:54] rooms and the guys up in hotel room so
when you go play tournaments you can pay
[1:59:57] that tournament fee and do a lot of
things and you can pay this slight
[2:00:01] increased but tournaments is the key
most tournaments so thank you for all
[2:00:06] you do and we appreciate appreciate your
in 39 this is difficult for me for a lot
[2:00:13] of reasons certainly I've been on the
fields with my kids doing Pop Warner
[2:00:18] with baseball and the like and it wasn't
that long ago despite what some people
[2:00:23] think with my impending birthday last
year was probably the toughest from a
[2:00:33] budgetary standpoint that I went through
in years and a lot of that had to do
[2:00:40] with the eleven million dollars that we
spent on 1 hurricane the 8 million
[2:00:44] dollars we spent on another hurricane
and those blue giant holes in last
[2:00:49] year's budget and yet somehow we wanted
to at least hold the line on the
[2:00:55] services that we provide across the
board for our citizens not just Parks
[2:00:59] and Rec Public Safety and the like all
those things are important and this is
[2:01:05] tough for me because I also recognize
that while we need more cost
[2:01:12] participation so we're not going back to
the taxpayers one more time I just can't
[2:01:18] do that after what we've done in the
last couple years I also realized that
[2:01:23] if we go too far with it we can break
some people's backs so we have to be
[2:01:28] very careful staying where we are was
not the answer as far because it just
[2:01:33] wasn't fiscally responsible for us but
we have to consider the total impact of
[2:01:40] these programs because quite frankly if
those programs don't exist and we do
[2:01:46] break their back those we still have to
maintain those fields they we still own
[2:01:51] them and we have absolutely yeah and
that actually creates a cost for us so
[2:01:56] that's a consideration as well this is a
tough one for me
[2:02:01] we have to be do this in a fashion
that's going to be sustainable and we
[2:02:07] have to do it in a fashion that's fair
to the taxpayer we have to be fair to
[2:02:13] the teams involved because we can't go
too far no matter what our needs are I
[2:02:17] don't want to be unfair to them but this
is a terrific balancing act but I'm not
[2:02:23] just doing this I want you all to know
my consideration is goes beyond just
[2:02:29] what the impact of these programs are on
our kids and Parks and Rec is important
[2:02:34] as that is I'm taking a look at the
entire budgetary process the entire
[2:02:38] impact on the community it all matters
we can't just consider this one thing it
[2:02:44] all matters and that and that it's very
it's very difficult it's very tough we
[2:02:49] have to balance that as a council and
and that's what our responsibility is
[2:02:55] any other comments council call it vote
yes yes yes yes No
[2:03:08] for one
[2:03:14] resolution 19 - 10 authority to reserve
and transfer 7.0 to federal wetland
[2:03:19] mitigation Bank credits for reclaim
Lakes projects motion to approve
[2:03:29] resolution merited I clicked off
applause yeah I did that was here we
[2:03:36] also need the other motion and Robin
signaling I know I got you
[2:03:45] is the updated one on the website so yes
to chase resolution the City Council the
[2:04:02] city of Port Orange Volusia County
Florida approving the resident
[2:04:05] preservation and transfer of 7.18
federal weapon 703 I was point O 3
[2:04:10] that's the correction area federal
wetland mitigation Bank credits for the
[2:04:14] reclaimed lakes project authorizing the
mayor and city clerk to execute any and
[2:04:18] all required documents on behalf of the
city of Port Orange and providing for an
[2:04:22] effective date who'd approve resolution
19 also I'm seeking a motion on the
[2:04:37] approval of the conservation easement
that is required by the permit for this
[2:04:42] project we are at the tail end of the
project now it began 17 short years ago
[2:04:49] let me get a second on this motion
[2:04:55] second that word no you need a second a
motion now you can make this motion and
[2:05:02] that is a motion to approve resolution
1910 which you covered excuse me
[2:05:10] the one that says and to approve the
conservation easement for the eighty
[2:05:16] eight point two oh seven acres as
required by permit number si J 2002 3473
[2:05:25] mlh and those your amendment supposed to
approve everything we wrote Margaret
[2:05:29] that's your appended to the motion yes
that's an amendment for the main motion
[2:05:33] now second line that's a second to the
amendment to the main motion Margaret
[2:05:38] don't ever ask me that again please it
was like it start over yes yes yes
[2:06:08] is that not what we did I made both
motions in drew second of motions
[2:06:12] I made a motion to approve the first one
and I made them they started jumping the
[2:06:17] gun I stopped it so he can there's a
second second that motion then Margaret
[2:06:20] read what we are going to amend that
with separate votes two separate motions
[2:06:28] is that what you did is that which is
that what your second or twenty I did
[2:06:35] two separate motions okay so we have two
two separate motions on the floor who's
[2:06:43] presenting I will present on them okay
please
[2:06:46] we are wrapping up the reclaimed lady
project as part of the final conditions
[2:06:52] that were required in the permit as
originally issued in 2002 we are
[2:06:59] required to pass a resolution probably
provided for the transfer mitigation
[2:07:07] credits this is for wetland there is an
impact to the wetlands we are preserving
[2:07:13] eighty eight point
- 207 acres and the conservation
[2:07:22] easement will cover over that eighty
eight point two oh seven acres to
[2:07:28] achieve that protection of additional
wetlands for the small amount of impact
[2:07:33] those reclaimed lakes hat so we're kind
of a give and take here to get this
[2:07:39] project completed and so that's what the
two motions are for tonight so we the
[2:07:46] first motion was the transfer seven of
7.03 wetland mitigation credits in the
[2:07:52] second motion was an execution to
recording the conservation easement as
[2:07:56] described that's correct
okay and that sorry I just wanted to do
[2:08:01] that to summarize and happy to answer
all comments or questions where you want
[2:08:10] to start I'm looking around and I'm not
saying any of y'all jumping into the
[2:08:15] park so with that would anyone here care
to speak to this nobody out there
[2:08:20] jumping into this pond either okay that
comes back to us Council final comments
[2:08:26] Jack anything I know thank you Shay's
true no Scott call the roll yes I always
[2:08:34] say we sent my apologies on the first
motion to approve resolution
[2:08:42] yes yes yes yes yes five Oh on the
second motion in regards to the
[2:08:52] conservation easement yes yes yes yes
yes
[2:09:04] city attorney no reports this evening
city manager mayor council the actual
[2:09:12] aerial presentations that are the actual
rare actuarial reports are starting to
[2:09:17] trickle in and it's been counsels
request in the past that they enjoy
[2:09:24] those reports and a council meeting
however I noticed in the last one they
[2:09:33] weren't as enjoyable as we thought
they'd be so I offer up to you a couple
[2:09:38] different ways to do that either bring
them to Council and present them as we
[2:09:42] have in the past provide you the full
report with a summary to be read or
[2:09:50] placed in the report for public record
and you all can read them at your own at
[2:09:58] your own at your own leisure or a a
little out-of-the-box thinking I can
[2:10:07] have them record the presentation and
you all can watch it and everybody can
[2:10:12] watch it online at their leisure up to
you I look forward to whichever way you
[2:10:19] prefer to do it personally I think
that's too important for us to simply
[2:10:27] have it reported to us on paper for us
to read I think there has to be some
[2:10:31] form of presentation and discussion at
Council oh you guys wanted not required
[2:10:37] but but I understand that you you're
interested yeah what are your thoughts I
[2:10:42] like having them here you like having
the actuary yes Scott yeah I mean they
[2:10:51] don't come that frequently so I mean I
think I think it's just once a year yeah
[2:10:54] okay did chase know I so go ahead and
then I'll ask the following question I
[2:11:02] think it's important to discuss anything
needs to be discussed but I'm have it
[2:11:12] here Jackie have a preference when would
the date be that we would have Niger
[2:11:22] trickling and then scheduling mop ornate
it yeah yeah support it okay so my
[2:11:39] following question is that the format
seems to get a little bit deep were you
[2:11:46] happy with the format last year if not I
can give you the dates that they were
[2:11:49] provided so you can watch them and or
were they understandable to the point
[2:11:55] where you want him in the same format
would you like more of an executive
[2:11:58] summary each one lasted we asked him to
go 20 they lasted from 30 to 40 and by
[2:12:06] glazed eyes in the audience it seemed
like they were people were done in ten
[2:12:12] so over to you for your thoughts on that
[2:12:18] they've got to be able tighten up
because all three of them took it in
[2:12:22] three different directions
yeah and that's that's difficult
[2:12:27] so wave top summary of where we are
where we're going and how we got there
[2:12:32] we're getting the reports that we've got
absolutely questions we can ask them
[2:12:37] because we'll have those absolutely okay
I think I said ten Oh Santana
[2:12:48] we don't want 30 or 40 yeah I'll try to
live in um to ten no and they'll go
[2:12:53] fifteen and then then you all can ask
the question yes got it and I'll try not
[2:12:57] to put them all on the same agenda and
it's hardly do yep okay secondly just to
[2:13:07] put in a public record they
we have gotten a lot of phone calls
[2:13:09] about well there's been a lot of
conversation about solicitation and
[2:13:20] permits for solicitation the staffs
looking into that for counsel there's
[2:13:25] been a lot of discussion about the the
traffic on Taylor Road as it relates to
[2:13:33] school the queue if you will into Spruce
Creek Elementary and to a lesser extent
[2:13:41] but equally as important the high school
I'll talk to Tim a little bit about what
[2:13:48] our options are for for changing the
lanes up they're not changing them but
[2:13:53] but increasing the lanes but we're also
talking with chief about parking in
[2:14:01] subdivisions as a pickup point so so
we'll bring that to you as well and the
[2:14:10] last thing was the actuarial so well set
that's all I had and guess one other
[2:14:17] thing that Robin yeah it is but I'm
gonna come to you for it now since but
[2:14:32] I'm gonna do that at the very end
City Council committee reports River to
[2:14:36] CT video at a recent we had a meeting
[2:14:44] Wednesday yeah thank you were you there
a pretty big presentation about
[2:14:51] roundabouts actually and how they are
growing in popularity but what was
[2:14:57] really interesting was the the
incredible results in significant crash
[2:15:03] data when they install these roundabouts
and locations that have unusually high
[2:15:07] amounts of vehicle crashes and
fatalities so I don't know that we have
[2:15:12] a lot of places in our in our city that
fit those types of things but I think
[2:15:17] you're going to start seeing a lot more
of them around the state of Florida
[2:15:20] associate
traveling the state that'll probably
[2:15:23] something you'll see on but pretty
preemie presentation class also a
[2:15:27] presentation on crash data in the in
this particular region talking about the
[2:15:33] top 20 crash locations for our d-o-t
region and then how to utilize that data
[2:15:39] for future funding for traffic safety
and management programs so pretty
[2:15:45] interesting stuff there a lot of good
discussion a lot of good a lot of good
[2:15:48] questions into that so okay general
employees pension plan I talked about
[2:15:55] that the last council meeting we have
man that's right police pension plan
[2:15:58] that's mine we had a meeting on February
19th so we're about five weeks past that
[2:16:04] six weeks they had a very good fiscal
year ending September thirtieth the net
[2:16:12] rate of return was eight point five and
then a very bad quarter from September
[2:16:18] 30th October 1st to December 31st where
they lost about 3.4 million they were
[2:16:26] down they took in 8.5 they were down
eight point eight nine so the value on
[2:16:32] December 31st was thirty five point four
million roughly and on September 30th it
[2:16:40] was thirty eight point six they lost
roughly three point four million
[2:16:44] however from january first nineteen to
the the numbers as of to 2019
[2:16:51] they've gotten back over two point eight
million of the loss so the the net loss
[2:16:57] for that plan was roughly about five
hundred ninety thousand dollars and the
[2:17:02] plan is still funded very well and
everything's going good so that you know
[2:17:07] there's ups and downs are coming and
they're you know bound to happen but
[2:17:12] when you look at a staggering law oh my
god 3.4 million
[2:17:16] well they got back to point eight in a
short time so this is going but the plan
[2:17:22] continues to to trend in the right
direction and
[2:17:27] it's still well-funded they're able to
pay their bills and the rate of return
[2:17:33] was lowered again the assumed rate of
return for the upcoming year will be
[2:17:39] seven point three five you know we
they've come a long way because it was
[2:17:44] eight five and then eight and then it's
been ratcheting down as have all the
[2:17:49] other plants have been ratcheting down
the assumed rate of return to something
[2:17:51] that's more achievable long-term so you
know we're where the plant sits is a
[2:17:57] roughly thirty right about thirty-eight
million 30 point 1 million dollars right
[2:18:04] now and they're roughly seventy percent
funded which brings us to the final
[2:18:11] point scheduling items all of you not
all of you are gonna be able to be there
[2:18:17] Saturday morning our you know the base
yet now I'm going to throw out a
[2:18:22] baseball Saturday morning and now take
off the baseball season coincides with
[2:18:26] Bike Week first time I miss my throwing
hands I'll be at the Speedway I'll take
[2:18:31] Drew's baseball you're laughing
no okay council meeting scheduled we
[2:18:39] normally meet on the third Tuesday of
the month this month we are not because
[2:18:46] we are going to be up in Tallahassee
trying to bring back more money for a
[2:18:51] float flood control project again this
year and a rec project so we'll be up
[2:18:56] there lobbying our well I should say
Lobby not just our representatives but
[2:19:01] all the representatives we need to make
contact with so we will not meet again
[2:19:06] until the fourth Tuesday of March which
is three weeks from today which is the
[2:19:13] 26th of March
[2:19:18] CRA s at five o'clock when his regular
council we have regular council business
[2:19:25] Jake how'd you do that about a mang okay
we may set a record at that meeting yes
[2:19:36] you you said you're gonna sit around
here tonight okay so we're gonna
[2:19:41] question anything else come before us or
something
[2:19:46] CRA meeting that's not a council meeting
yes yeah okay just another hat you wear
[2:19:56] we offer you got the job
tell me about that we were drafted
[2:20:01] anything else come before us this
evening if not have a good night we'll
[2:20:05] see you on three weeks
[2:20:15] you