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Item 22, fiscal year 2026, 2027
budget discussions,

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preliminary five-year capital
improvement plan

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and fleet replacement.

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So Robin's going to get the
PowerPoint set up.

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Perfect.

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And nothing like starting after 9:00
on a budget

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conversation. You can feel the energy
in the room from

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the department heads. Here, everybody
can't wait to get into this.

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This just to start while she's
getting it set up.

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So this is the traditional start of
the budget process

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for us. So we always start with
capital.

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And then we bring capital to you
first, and then

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in July we come back with the
operating, with all the

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departments, the total budget when we
set the Max Millage.

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One of the reasons that we do that is
that we don't

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have all the revenue sources known
yet at this point.

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We do have a preliminary tax roll
information,

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but we don't get final until July.

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And then state revenues, in addition
to that,

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account for a good bit of our
funding.

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More than half the general fund
actually comes from other state

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revenue sources

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and we generally don't know those
until later in July.

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But it's important to bring capital
to you. It is the

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largest chunk of your budget outside
of your personnel cost.

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And it's one where you probably have
the most ability to

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to really control and shape your
budget.

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So you make decisions on either
construction projects

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or large pieces of equipment that are
being bought.

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And this this gives you the chance to
do that.

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Tonight we're not asking for a vote
or any formal decisions.

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It's a presentation of a lot of
information.

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And then we'd like you to give us
some feedback and direction

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to help us do a better job coming
back in July with

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specific recommendations.

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You're going to see the CIP presented
in a five-year format,

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that is the best practice to do so.

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Just like you would want to do at
your house when you're

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looking at large-scale purchases and
projects.

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What you don't want to do is have a
year where you've got

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to change the roof on your house, buy
a new car and have

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a kids' wedding in the same year.

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Same thing here. You don't want to go
into one of your funds

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and have all these huge things.

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Having spikes in the budget is a bad
way to do it.

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You're trying to keep it smoother.

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We haven't really done the best job
of five-year planning

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in the past. We with the transition
and finance that

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we are going to go down that path
now.

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So we're we're in the prior years, if
somebody came up

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with a good idea today, they just
throw it into the next

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year's budget.

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And the discipline of a five- year
plan is you go into out

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year number five and work your way
up.

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So Council knows through a full
five-year window what your

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costs are going to be and what your
projects are going to be

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going forward.

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And having said that, what's
currently showing in year one,

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the fiscal year 2027, which is the
upcoming budget,

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is what's funded. The other four
years are planned,

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but not actually funded.

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And what you're seeing in there are
not formal recommendations.

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It's we sat down as a as all the
staff and came up with

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these are ideas of what will help the
city run, do better

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for the citizens and the community,

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but at this point they're not all
recommendations. I can

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tell you we don't have enough money

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in the general fund based on the
current millage to pay

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for all that. So some of those things
are going to have to

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get done in later years.

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So right now I just wanted you to be
able to see them

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and get your thoughts on them.

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And then when we come back, we'll
decide what we can and

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cannot afford, but at the current
millage we can't get

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there.

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One of the things, so at the end,
there's a bunch of slides

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we go through, typically the way this
works and

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go to the next.

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So the table of contents shows the
order.

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So normally there's a little opening
I give, and then

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we go through each one of these
categories with all the

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projects in there.

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But it's important at the end one of
the things we put is a

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summary sheet of all the general fund
project,

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because instead of trying to go back
through 14 or 15 slides

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and go, can you go back to slide six
and look at that

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one thing,

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I grouped them all on one slide to
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discussion, because that's really
where the challenge

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and the funding is, is the general
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And so you can stop me as I go
through if you've got

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questions, but

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probably the detailed discussion on
what we might

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prioritize and not will be at the end
when I get there.

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Moving forward,

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I don't. A lot of times people will
spend a whole bunch of

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time talking about the economy and
how it affects your budget.

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Whether you want to talk about
inflation or or mortgage

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interest rates or anything like that.

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I just wanted to hit a few key points
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We know we're nearing build out.

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When we had that conversation, even
when I went when I was

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hired five years ago, we talked about
the fact that we expect

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flattening revenues.

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A lot of cities live off of telling
people they didn't raise

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their millage rates,

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but that's because they're getting a
ton of growth,

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and they're living off new
development paying for it.

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So you get 16 new apartment
complexes, you got a whole

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bunch more money.

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You don't have any growth, you don't
have any more money.

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So we have not had. And I know we've
heard conversations about

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growth, but we have been really low.

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In fact, the last, almost 17 to 20
years, we've had

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just about 10,000 people total move
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So it's like 400 people a year.

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That that's close to stagnant growth.
That that is, you know,

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fast-moving cities are 2,000 plus
people a year.

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400 people a year is not.

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But looking back at the trends that
are shown here, the tax

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base is the one column.

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we used to get double digits.

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when I years ago we were when we
would have these meetings with all

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the other cities, Port Orange was
routinely in the upper half

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of the cities with the most growth
and the most tax-based growth.

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That's that's pretty well done now.

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You can see that number at 12%.

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when we got that high, that was
mostly inflation driven.

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Though those were the years when
inflation was like 7 and 8%.

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So when we got the property
appraiser's information,

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we had as much growth based on an
existing house being taxed at a

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higher level than we did from new
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But what what it resulted in is if
you look on the far right column,

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that's how much extra money we took
going into each budget year to run

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the city.

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So the higher number there, the first
year at $3 million,

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that was the year we we adjusted the
police department's wages.

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And so that covered all of that

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in that year and then that number has
steadily decreased since then.

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And and there's always that
conversation about going to roll
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What is the roll back? What is the
percent over roll back the

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state law requires you to state that
when you do your budget adoptions?

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So last year that one little over
$1.6 million, it was higher than

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the year before, was about a 4% over
roll back number.

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This year, the preliminary number
came out, $800,000 is all the new

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money we have to run the city with.

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And that is less than a percent over
roll back.

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So you're you're almost at roll back
with with what we've got.

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So we have to go into next year with
$800,000 more dollars

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to address wage contracts that range
from 4 to 8%, we anticipate

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an 8% insurance increase, we have
other contractual obligations

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and just general inflationary
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And that is that is a hard target
right there.

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Inflation that dropped down closer to
two, then it went back

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up a little bit, then it came down,
then it went back over four

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as part of the war, if the war ends,
it may come back down.

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I don't think it's going to go
anywhere near the sevens of the past.

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But we're we're trying to deal with
funding the general fund

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projects with very little new money
going into this year.

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So that's that's just an an overall
start to what we're facing.

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And before I got into the new ones,
we did want to take a little

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bit of time to thank the people who
put together the projects this year.

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So we did complete a large number,
over 40 projects.

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Now, some of them aren't finished
today, but they'll finish in this

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fiscal year.

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So a couple of highlight projects in
there, we talked about that

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earlier with utilities, that North
Commonwealth water upgrade.

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That was we did that whole
Commonwealth area in the last few

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years, went from two-inch water pipes
to 6-inch,

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now they've got fire hydrants,
they've got better flow, better

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safety, better quality water in that
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Very big positive project to be done
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The Jackson project is completed.

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Another big positive.

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You can see things for parks and
public works has gotten a few

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things done as well.

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So I'll just

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start going through the categories of
this is the showing the five-year

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plan on a pie, you can see the total
number on the left.

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It's into what would be funded, the
$57 million is what we would

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have to fund.

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The 284 is all the other years.

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So it's it's a little bit more like
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70 or 80 million where this one's $57
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The pie is showing you how they're
broken out. Water and waste water

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is almost always going to be the
bigger one, just because the utility

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is the most expensive thing we have.

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This pie though includes the $170
million sewer plan upgrade that

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I'll show you later and it also has a
big wedge for the parks bond.

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Uh in the future when the parks bond
projects are done and the

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utility major upgrade is done, that
the pie itself will shrink.

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It won't be a pie of $284 million,
but it'll still be probably similar

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ratios.

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It will usually be dominated by water
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So the first category is park bonds
and we did give you the uh

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the a hard copy to look at.

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For people trying to look on the
monitor, I'd suggest looking at the

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higher density ones because the
resolution's better.

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The the outer ones are kind of light
and hard to read.

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Uh

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So on the positive side, the park
staff has done an outstanding job,

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the the bond got approved and they
have moved really fast to get these

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projects out there to the community.

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One of the last things you want to do
is is have the voters agree

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to give themselves amenities and tax
themselves

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and then take forever to give it to
them.

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So Fort Lauderdale is currently
getting beat up pretty bad because

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they did a bond about a decade ago
and they haven't even gotten

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halfway through their projects.

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So so they are moving along as you
can see everything on here but

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the Karasi Park expansion and the
trails

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is ready for construction in the next
fiscal year.

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Uh the Karasi park we don't own the
land yet, so we've got to own

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the land, design the park and then go
forward.

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And the trails we're holding on
because we're using the TPO project

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process where we can leverage some
money from the TPO in order

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to get there.

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And so when we get that feasibility,
we'll start working

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towards some of those projects.

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Understanding what's out there for
the public to vote on considering

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uh property taxes,

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we may want to talk about this as we
go forward throughout the summer

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on what we do with request and Karasi

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because if you build them, they will
have ongoing operational costs.

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They they will the bond will cover
the cost of construction, but there

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will be staff, there will be
electricity, there will be mower,

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they will be fertilizer.

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You know, those projects are going to
cost us money to run

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when we move forward, but
congratulations to the staff.

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This is one of the most effective
one-year movements of a bunch

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of bond projects that I think I've
ever seen in all the bonds I've done.

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They're also out there leveraging
with echo funds.

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Uh so we we already you've already
authorized us to apply for

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echo grants to try to add to it.

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So it would give us the ability to
build more than we have.

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The idea that they've switched land,
we came up with the idea

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to switch land with the schools to
build a park here.

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A lot of positives coming out of the
staff to make the most

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of that bond.

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I'm not going to go through all of
these because you've seen them,

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but they're concept plans and where
they're at at this point

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and then for each category we also
have a map that helps for

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when you're looking at it between now
and then.

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The next category, the regular parks
projects. So whether or not

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we build bonds or not, we own a bunch
of parks facilities

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and they have to be taken care of.

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So this is their regular stuff.

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Typically, every year, you see them
somewhere between a half a million

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and a million dollars of request.

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This is probably one of the ones
where I was talking about how we

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haven't fully disciplined ourselves
on the five-year budget.

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Everything is in year two. So there's
a giant spike in year two.

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Normally you'd like to see this a
little more spread out

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over a five-year pattern.

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but the notable projects coming up in
the funded year would be the

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wreck sound barrier, which is being
designed now and then the North

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Causeway Park Councilman Green and I
were talking about this

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earlier today. It's pretty beat up
over there on the north side.

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And that project would come in to to
new improvements in that area.

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The Y project is being funded out of
that Rec facilities fund,

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so there is basically a savings
account to do improvements

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to the Y. That's not a general fund
project.

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Parks has got ongoing maintenance.
This is going to be a theme

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throughout as well. It was the things
we haven't emphasized,

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I don't think enough in the past.

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Everything we do, we have to take
care of when we get it.

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And so parks isn't always thought of
as that department like

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people are used to us paving roads
and fixing sidewalks, but

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not necessarily this.

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But we own if you look at the bottom,
we have like 32 facilities.

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So we probably don't go more than a
year or two without at least

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one park being redone or one field
being redone.

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So there is a non-stop maintenance
cost as well.

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And deferred maintenance comes back
to haunt you. I think the mayor

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mentioned that earlier. What happens
if you don't do your job

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on maintenance, you pay more for it
later.

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So I'll I'll show that with all the
other categories.

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Facilities is our buildings that are
non-parks. The the highlight

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of our facilities here are the
generator replacements and oddly

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enough a couple of things at City
Hall, the air conditioner here

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is is kind of junk.

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Uh the thermostats don't work. You
have to go up on the roof

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and make adjustments up there to
change the temperature.

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And you've all can see the high
quality AV system that we have here

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from the 1980s.

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Uh so those though may end up being
the things you decide not to

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do. But it it's there to see we've
had those conversations about what

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what's coming up with our facilities.

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Ongoing maintenance from the
facilities division, they're also

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responsible for making sure all the
parking lots that we have

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are paved and taken care of.

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Fire doesn't normally have projects
like this.

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They they're they're typically fleet,
you see them when we when we replace

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fire trucks and and ambulances.

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Once in a while you build a station,
what's unique about this year is so

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Uh the public utilities department,
we're building their operation

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center. We're consolidating three or
four different sets of people

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over into one facility by the police
station.

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And they will be leaving the building
that they're currently in on the

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north side of the public works
property over by Oak Street.

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And right now fire trains at the
tower and they train at that

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small building up there by the annex.

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And the idea had been as part this is
like a long-term out multi-year

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project that this was planned, was
fire will then leave that small

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building, allow either parks or
public works or somebody

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engineering to use that facility and
then they would move over to

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this facility and use it for full
training in that one area.

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So the request here is to upgrade
that building because it would be

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a building used by utilities field
crews to something fire can

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train in.

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And then the pavilion is basically a
shade structure.

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So if you've been out there, I think
all of you've had the chance to go

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out there and see the training tower
is not real they're wearing

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heavy equipment. There's nowhere to
be in the shade, so it's a

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little hot.

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So that was the request for that.

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And then fire's got a couple out year
capital, we're we're coming up

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on having to replace radios in the
future and some of the breathing

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apparatus.

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Transportation projects are our TPO
funded, uh and good years,

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these are 90% money from federal
state funds and 10% hours.

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Occasionally some of them are a
little different.

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Uh in this upcoming year, the two big
highlights are the Dunlop and

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Yorktown bundle. That's construction.

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That's why it's a higher number.

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That is the total cost down at the
bottom. You'll see the note.

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Our cost next year is $1 and a half
million.

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And then the Clyde Morris project
will go into design with construction

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a couple of years out.

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This is pretty well spread out.

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Now, some of this because it's not in
our control, we have to follow

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the TPO process for the funding, but
it's it's a pretty good job of

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spreading out the projects over the
years.

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We do get heavy in the outer years

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because you you put them in the plans
and one of the things

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that's required in order to get fair
share money to get basically

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get money from developers when
they're building

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to help them pay for it, you have to
have them in your plan.

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If you don't put them in the plan,
you're not allowed to get money.

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So we show them in here so that that
qualifies.

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But we recognize that when you get
out to the out years,

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it's not really going to, they may
they may keep moving.

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They may show in year five,

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but they may stay in year five for
six or seven years.

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We go on to maintenance and
transportation.

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This shifts over to public works.

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So public works handles all this
stuff.

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If you look at the funding source,
it's all local option gas tax.

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So historically, the city has not
funded

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these, this maintenance beyond what
we get out of gas tax.

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The gas tax is not sufficient.

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To give you an idea that the
everything that we put in this,

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if you give that money to public
works on October 1,

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they will spend it all well before
the end of the fiscal year.

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And not finish everything out there
that needs to get done.

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To council's credit, you've asked me
in the past,

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well, how much money do you need to
do it right?

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And I can't answer that question

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because we didn't do asset management
very well in the past.

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But when we switched over to Tyler,

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we have asset management software

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and we are on the way to being able
to answer the question.

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We still may not be able to afford
it,

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but we can at least give you the
answer of what it would take to catch
up.

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Uh, we have it the last couple years,

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Council has actually taken some money
out of fund balance

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and and supplemented this to allow us
to catch up.

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So this is that's the first council

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I think that's actually added to

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that money to help catch up in that
area.

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But our objective is to get you data

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on what it will take to be caught up

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and take care of those as we go
forward.

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I think we've talked about this
before.

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The striping budget's like two, two

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little areas when you're out of
money.

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Paving gets you a couple of roads.

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Uh, one of the things that they do
though

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is that we don't spend it all,

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we have planned up to about 70,
probably about 80%, maybe 85%,

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they hold a little bit back till the
summer

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in order to pick up an emergency or
something comes up.

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because what you don't want to do is
be completely out of money

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and unable to fix something that's
bad.

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I'm sorry, wait. Let me so you can
grab a quick drink of water

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while I interject something.

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Um, perhaps on this particular slide

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your transportation bond project.

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As we update this moving forward

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in the project description, if it's
possible,

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this is just something that came to
my mind.

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If you could put a notation in there

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on what the anticipated,

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like I know with roadways,

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there's an anticipated cost per
linear mile.

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Same thing with sidewalks per foot or
something like that.

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Just so when we see the number, okay,
$800,000,

398
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well how far is that?

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How, you know, how far does that get
us?

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00:17:26,951 --> 00:17:28,554
So that might be helpful if if that's
possible.

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I know TPO talks about that.

402
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Uh, you know, in their meetings and
stuff like that.

403
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I don't know where that number comes
from,

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00:17:35,501 --> 00:17:37,981
but I know that some of those numbers
for paving and

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concrete has gone up.

406
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And they have to have a reduced cost
estimation

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00:17:42,031 --> 00:17:44,424
because that's how engineers bid the
projects for us.

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00:17:44,491 --> 00:17:46,424
So and or the contractors bid them

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and and we'd be able to say it would
be different

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like cost of Herbert Street

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is going to be a little cheaper

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than than doing something that's a
four lane with a median.

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but we can give you those basic
costs.

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Just might be a good reference to
have on that slide.

415
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Thank you. Thanks.

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The downtown project didn't really
fit a specific category,

417
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so I put it in here separately.

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Uh, it was originally envisioned

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in the ballpark of $5 million to be
used to be basically funded

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when we sold Riverwalk.

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00:18:10,368 --> 00:18:12,878
So part of the assets of the
Riverwalk sale would pay off debt

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to the Town Center CRA,

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the other half would would go to
this.

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When that project didn't close last
year and we went back,

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staff came up with a really good idea
of trying to split it

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because they knew we don't have $5
million

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just to put into this project.

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So what they did is come up with a
phase one idea,

429
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because we've been working with the
business owners down there

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and they've been really good partners
and very positive

431
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and they're really hoping for
something to come out of this

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to to grow that momentum.

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And so the phase one would would
focus on this turn lane,

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which is the the road out to
Peninsula

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from the south of the bridge,

436
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so it's where the coway comes in the
signalize.

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If you've been down there,

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basically people down there created
their own

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right turn lane in the dirt.

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So this would formalize that and put
in a sign.

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So it it's a an affordable phase one

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that shows goodwill

443
00:18:57,042 --> 00:18:59,435
and progress to the business owners
down there

444
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and probably makes a good safety
impact going forward.

445
00:19:02,425 --> 00:19:05,208
So I thought that was that was very
creative of them when I said,

446
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I don't know that I can go ask for $5
million

447
00:19:07,572 --> 00:19:09,978
and they said, well, how about we do
this instead?

448
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Stormwater projects,

449
00:19:12,878 --> 00:19:14,421
we've got a couple different ways to
look at this,

450
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we we've started off with a stack bar
showing five projects

451
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with the colors are by who where the
funding is coming from.

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The the one on the far left is
Cambridge,

453
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that's a hurricane repair from the
damage in the coal.

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Uh and and then the other four

455
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are master plan projects that are
coming up in current years.

456
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There there's another large project
Nixon,

457
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that's in out years, you'll see in
one of the other charts,

458
00:19:36,355 --> 00:19:38,831
but it isn't isn't far enough along
to show here.

459
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Uh, this is 62 plus million dollars
worth of drainage projects.

460
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It is incredibly expensive

461
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to go into the old part of town

462
00:19:46,525 --> 00:19:49,321
and retrofit the old part of town to
stop them from flooding.

463
00:19:49,388 --> 00:19:50,334
That's a lot of money.

464
00:19:50,401 --> 00:19:53,841
It's more than twice what we have in
the parks fund for five projects.

465
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So that that's a a a big hit

466
00:19:56,788 --> 00:20:00,191
and we don't have all the money for
the pink part right now.

467
00:20:00,419 --> 00:20:05,022
Uh, you can see the couple grants on
the bottom.

468
00:20:05,089 --> 00:20:10,262
We really hope resilient Florida will
work for us. We're going to continue
trying to transform 386 to see when
their next phase come out.

469
00:20:10,329 --> 00:20:15,372
Brick is a federal program through
FEMA that the current administration
doesn't really like.

470
00:20:15,439 --> 00:20:20,622
So last year, President's office
stopped it, but then a court
reinstated it.

471
00:20:20,689 --> 00:20:26,082
Uh, so I don't really know. They they
were valuable. Fun people got a lot
of good projects out of Brick, but
then the money went away.

472
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:31,932
So some cities are reluctant to touch
it because you don't you go to all
that effort and then you don't get
the money.

473
00:20:31,999 --> 00:20:36,599
So, I I think it's still worth trying
because it's a it's a pot of money we
need to have.

474
00:20:37,059 --> 00:20:39,662
On this slide, we put it in a pie.

475
00:20:39,729 --> 00:20:41,622
Uh, the reason for this is I think
it's really important.

476
00:20:41,689 --> 00:20:46,362
So it's been less than four years. We
got hit by Ian in September of of
'22.

477
00:20:46,429 --> 00:20:51,072
And in less than four years for $62
million of projects, we have almost

478
00:20:51,139 --> 00:20:56,152
$40 million of other people's money
in less than four years to do these
projects.

479
00:20:56,219 --> 00:20:58,772
And we still have $20 million to
fill.

480
00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:02,172
But $40 million in 10 years is a huge
amount of outside money.

481
00:21:02,239 --> 00:21:07,482
So the the people who go out and get
other people's money to do this have
done a heck of a job.

482
00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:14,109
Because that that's a that is more
than we have in the park bond in four
years they went out and got that from
somebody else's source.

483
00:21:14,379 --> 00:21:16,222
Uh, so again, it's going to require
some work.

484
00:21:16,289 --> 00:21:20,402
We we have the ability to borrow
parts of that and pay debt on it.

485
00:21:20,469 --> 00:21:26,659
If we get to the point where that's a
decision Council wants to, or we can
continue working until we get the
grants to fill it in.

486
00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:33,752
Uh, we I I put them here in the this
is your standard five-year plan
version that we were showing from the
others with the sources.

487
00:21:33,819 --> 00:21:39,052
And then we add this one adds the
Nixon project in there so you can see
it in the out years.

488
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:44,232
It's a little less expensive because
it tags on to the sugar forest one,
so it's not as much money as that
one.

489
00:21:44,299 --> 00:21:48,592
But this also adds the the generator
at Virginia Monroe,

490
00:21:48,659 --> 00:21:51,512
which is one of the smaller pump
areas we have on the east side of
town

491
00:21:51,579 --> 00:21:55,522
and the two smaller projects you
authorized for design last summer.

492
00:21:55,589 --> 00:21:59,979
The Devon Street one and the sweet
water project are both shown there.

493
00:22:00,769 --> 00:22:02,359
Uh, so that's what's going forward.

494
00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:05,749
And moving on to their ongoing
projects and the maintenance.

495
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:09,162
Uh, so you can see a couple things
with with drainage pipe.

496
00:22:09,229 --> 00:22:13,942
We've talked about this. It's an
ongoing project to basically replace
all the corrugated metal pipes that
rust and rot

497
00:22:14,009 --> 00:22:20,602
going through that. Uh, they they're
down in the bottom right, it shows
how many miles that we're responsible
for maintaining with that.

498
00:22:20,669 --> 00:22:24,502
On the left side I put in a little
summary of the storm water fund,

499
00:22:24,569 --> 00:22:30,372
so if $160 per dwelling unit, it
generates a little over almost $6.5
million.

500
00:22:30,439 --> 00:22:36,599
The expenses we have exceed that, so
we've been using storm water fund
balance to kind of chip away at those
things.

501
00:22:37,139 --> 00:22:42,869
Uh, that fund balance at $1.7 million
for a this much work is is small,
it's way too small.

502
00:22:42,969 --> 00:22:48,802
Uh, the the point of showing that is
that is that that this fund is not
designed for $62 million of capital
projects.

503
00:22:48,869 --> 00:22:53,312
Two-thirds of it or more than half is
used up by the the people and the
machines

504
00:22:53,379 --> 00:22:56,662
that maintain the stuff that we have.

505
00:22:56,729 --> 00:23:02,022
There's a little bit of money in
there. We're still paying debt on
some old stuff related to the '04
storms.

506
00:23:02,089 --> 00:23:07,052
That debt will eventually retire, but
it's still got like I think it's 2035
when that retires.

507
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,052
And then we have money set aside for
debt service on future.

508
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,539
Uh, and I've probably got some of
this wrong that Sue will have to
correct at some point for me in the
future.

509
00:23:15,629 --> 00:23:17,502
But we've been chipping away at it
using fund balance.

510
00:23:17,569 --> 00:23:24,262
So the the point of that just at the
$160 per dwelling unit, we can't we
can't build $62 million with a
project.

511
00:23:24,329 --> 00:23:31,329
We definitely need other people's
help and we need we we probably
either have to borrow or or find some
other revenue source to build all of
those projects.

512
00:23:34,499 --> 00:23:37,649
Water and sewers, the last of the
major categories of these.

513
00:23:37,859 --> 00:23:41,832
Uh, I we talked about this earlier
when the fee all this is down in the
bottom left corner

514
00:23:41,899 --> 00:23:45,412
is the uh all the the accomplishments
of that that group of people.

515
00:23:45,479 --> 00:23:51,272
To say they have done an outstanding
job of making sure that it costs as
little as possible to give you
high-quality water

516
00:23:51,339 --> 00:23:54,522
and and reliable infrastructure for
water and sewer.

517
00:23:54,589 --> 00:23:56,369
They they do this constantly.

518
00:23:56,639 --> 00:24:00,592
They they're coming in to see me
regularly with ideas about how to do
things better.

519
00:24:00,659 --> 00:24:07,659
Uh the highlights on this budget, uh
the highlights on this budget, uh the
the upcoming $175 plus million sewer
plant upgrade.

520
00:24:07,879 --> 00:24:14,632
That will probably be, it will be the
most expensive project we do, maybe
the most expensive one ever because
who knows what technology when this
thing's out of date

521
00:24:14,699 --> 00:24:17,792
exists, but 170 million is a gigantic
project.

522
00:24:17,859 --> 00:24:23,662
Uh, it is mandated by the federal
government, the treatment standards
are going up. We aren't going to be
able to treat at the level we
currently treat

523
00:24:23,729 --> 00:24:26,572
and we do pretty good. We we send
quite a bit out.

524
00:24:26,639 --> 00:24:31,012
We we do reclaim and that's why we
get credit through the consumption
use permit

525
00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:34,052
because we don't draw as much, we use
reclaim for irrigation.

526
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,329
We have a very good system and we
still have to make it better.

527
00:24:37,809 --> 00:24:39,702
Uh, that number is big.

528
00:24:39,769 --> 00:24:42,002
There are loans out there that are
forgivable.

529
00:24:42,069 --> 00:24:45,342
If you remember we had to do a master
plan before we did this project.

530
00:24:45,409 --> 00:24:52,302
And then we also did the first phase
where we talked about the generators
and redoing the electric and we were
able to get forgivable loans for
portions of that.

531
00:24:52,369 --> 00:24:55,702
So we're going to go after forgivable
loans for this as well.

532
00:24:55,769 --> 00:25:00,209
What we don't get in forgivable loan,
the state revolving loan fund is
really low interest.

533
00:25:00,401 --> 00:25:01,961
like 1 to 2%.

534
00:25:02,221 --> 00:25:04,061
So you're paying mostly principal.

535
00:25:04,451 --> 00:25:06,344
So the fund is healthy enough.

536
00:25:06,411 --> 00:25:09,494
Toby and our financial advisors came
in here when we talked about the fees
last time.

537
00:25:09,561 --> 00:25:12,894
He came in and did two or three
different presentations.

538
00:25:12,961 --> 00:25:15,964
Our debt levels are such that this is
something we can afford.

539
00:25:16,031 --> 00:25:17,798
It's in the system, it's planned for.

540
00:25:17,865 --> 00:25:22,431
and we're going to be able to do
that. But it is a huge project going
forward.

541
00:25:22,921 --> 00:25:26,081
Now that's why we also purchased that
land in the area around it.

542
00:25:26,148 --> 00:25:28,724
because we talked about how that's
going to actually save us money as
well.

543
00:25:28,791 --> 00:25:32,561
Because we're going to be able to
move some of the operation center out
of that,

544
00:25:32,628 --> 00:25:35,364
keep it running up here. That was
another several hundred thousand
dollars of savings

545
00:25:35,431 --> 00:25:38,471
on this project just by acquiring
that additional land.

546
00:25:38,781 --> 00:25:42,281
And then down at the bottom, I should
draw attention to the meters coming
up.

547
00:25:42,348 --> 00:25:44,314
So some people have been around long
enough to remember

548
00:25:44,381 --> 00:25:46,491
the last time we went through a full
meter replacement.

549
00:25:46,671 --> 00:25:47,981
Uh, they're they're reaching the end
of their life.

550
00:25:48,048 --> 00:25:50,674
So we're going to be trading out the
meters coming up in a few years.

551
00:25:50,741 --> 00:25:52,711
Technology's improved quite a bit
since then.

552
00:25:52,778 --> 00:25:56,084
The benefit of that is that these
things have much fewer moving parts.

553
00:25:56,151 --> 00:25:58,721
So they break less and they provide
much more accurate readings.

554
00:25:58,788 --> 00:26:02,751
So you get better revenue because
you're getting more accurate readings
going forward.

555
00:26:03,711 --> 00:26:06,601
Same thing as all the others, they've
got a fairly large ongoing
maintenance

556
00:26:06,668 --> 00:26:08,241
budget as well.

557
00:26:09,041 --> 00:26:11,071
Uh, so you avoid deferred
maintenance.

558
00:26:11,601 --> 00:26:14,571
When I got here, we we've kind of got
picked on for being duct tape

559
00:26:14,638 --> 00:26:18,314
and and uh WD40 kind of maintenance
program.

560
00:26:18,381 --> 00:26:22,231
And we are not doing that now, we are
taking care of our infrastructure.

561
00:26:22,371 --> 00:26:25,361
Uh, and then they have something a
little bit unique.

562
00:26:25,428 --> 00:26:26,951
They do have a lot of capital
requests.

563
00:26:27,018 --> 00:26:28,531
which is one off things like whether
it's a

564
00:26:28,598 --> 00:26:30,811
In this case there's different parts
of the water plant.

565
00:26:30,878 --> 00:26:34,090
So most of these are water plant
parts, whether it's a a pump or

566
00:26:34,157 --> 00:26:36,491
various gearbox units of

567
00:26:36,671 --> 00:26:38,721
that these things are more out of
water.

568
00:26:38,788 --> 00:26:40,491
because the sewer plant's going to
pick up that kind of stuff

569
00:26:40,558 --> 00:26:41,581
when we do the full plant.

570
00:26:41,648 --> 00:26:44,291
So in the upcoming years, you'll see
capital being a lot of water stuff

571
00:26:44,358 --> 00:26:47,171
as we go forward.

572
00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:52,861
And then fleet. So this is a typical
year of fleet. This is replacement.

573
00:26:52,928 --> 00:26:54,691
So all these are things we already
have, it's being paid through by a
fleet

574
00:26:54,758 --> 00:26:56,511
replacement fund.

575
00:26:57,001 --> 00:27:00,951
So as so you buy a truck today for
$50,000.

576
00:27:01,081 --> 00:27:03,581
And then you, the department that
owns the truck, pays.

577
00:27:03,648 --> 00:27:06,831
You think it's got an eight-year
life, so they pay 1/8 of that cost

578
00:27:06,898 --> 00:27:08,591
over the next eight years. So when
the truck's due,

579
00:27:08,658 --> 00:27:09,561
you have the money there for it.

580
00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:13,191
You don't do it at the 50,000 today's
cost, you anticipate the inflation,

581
00:27:13,258 --> 00:27:17,301
so they may be paying 1/8 of $60,000.

582
00:27:17,371 --> 00:27:18,581
So that that fund is there in the
future.

583
00:27:18,648 --> 00:27:21,391
So you're not, this is not new money,
it's it's it's replacing itself

584
00:27:21,458 --> 00:27:24,851
like we do with computers and things
like that.

585
00:27:25,501 --> 00:27:28,191
Uh, so and one of the things that
we're doing is it's not just if you
think

586
00:27:28,258 --> 00:27:30,701
it's going to be eight years, they
don't just replace it at year eight.

587
00:27:31,011 --> 00:27:33,491
So year six, they'll start looking at
the vehicle and go, is it been heavy
use?

588
00:27:33,558 --> 00:27:37,371
Is it light use? Can we get two more
years out of it?

589
00:27:37,461 --> 00:27:40,691
You know, so it it you stretch it as
far as you can to to to where it

590
00:27:40,758 --> 00:27:45,534
doesn't cost more money to keep it
than it does to replace it.

591
00:27:45,601 --> 00:27:48,090
A couple of other things they've done
pretty nice with this is occasionally

592
00:27:48,157 --> 00:27:49,261
we'll have a vehicle.

593
00:27:49,328 --> 00:27:51,057
Like public works had a bucket truck.

594
00:27:51,124 --> 00:27:53,321
And the bucket truck was done for
them.

595
00:27:53,388 --> 00:27:56,581
They they couldn't take it out daily
to get out there and work in the
trees.

596
00:27:56,648 --> 00:27:59,391
But parks was paying people to use
bucket trucks to replace all the
banners

597
00:27:59,458 --> 00:28:02,514
around City Hall and help with the
lights.

598
00:28:02,581 --> 00:28:05,191
So parks was like, we don't you need
to use it weekly or daily,

599
00:28:05,258 --> 00:28:07,684
we can use it four or five times a
year.

600
00:28:07,751 --> 00:28:10,090
So they took the the truck that was
going to be surplus out of public
works,

601
00:28:10,157 --> 00:28:12,023
put it into parks.

602
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:14,164
And let them use it for a while.

603
00:28:14,231 --> 00:28:17,090
And they show up as a now they're on
one of the new replacements

604
00:28:17,157 --> 00:28:19,491
or new requests because they've
determined by having it

605
00:28:19,558 --> 00:28:22,991
that it's cheaper for them to own the
truck and do it themselves

606
00:28:23,058 --> 00:28:26,294
than us to pay somebody to come in
and do it for us.

607
00:28:26,361 --> 00:28:29,991
But that's the benefit of having
somebody in fleet paying attention to

608
00:28:30,058 --> 00:28:32,691
instead of we just auction this thing
off, can somebody else use it for

609
00:28:32,758 --> 00:28:36,591
a couple of years and figure out
maybe it helps you run your operation

610
00:28:36,658 --> 00:28:39,231
before we buy something going
forward.

611
00:28:40,721 --> 00:28:41,731
Service enhancement.

612
00:28:41,798 --> 00:28:44,891
So this is people basically saying, I
would like to up the level of service

613
00:28:44,958 --> 00:28:47,471
beyond what we have.

614
00:28:47,538 --> 00:28:49,891
So there's an ongoing continuation
budget

615
00:28:49,958 --> 00:28:54,574
which is do what we do now at the
same level, whatever it costs going
forward.

616
00:28:54,641 --> 00:28:59,014
Service enhancements, three
departments have requested more than
what we do now.

617
00:28:59,081 --> 00:29:00,861
Stepping up to something else.

618
00:29:01,301 --> 00:29:03,794
Uh, these are going to be challenges
to find.

619
00:29:03,861 --> 00:29:06,011
Uh I just want to go over them so you
can see them.

620
00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:09,494
Now that'll be part of the
conversation as to what we do with
them going forward.

621
00:29:09,561 --> 00:29:10,581
Starting with parks.

622
00:29:10,648 --> 00:29:13,090
So the out years, we knew that we
were looking at park staff that would
be

623
00:29:13,157 --> 00:29:17,741
necessary to staff all the bond
projects going forward.

624
00:29:17,831 --> 00:29:20,991
As they were looking at how they
maintain the structures and we own 25
different

625
00:29:21,058 --> 00:29:23,791
park structures that are not part of
what's maintained by the engineering

626
00:29:23,858 --> 00:29:26,991
building maintenance team.

627
00:29:27,651 --> 00:29:30,991
Uh, they currently maintain these
buildings through either contracts or
with people

628
00:29:31,058 --> 00:29:36,004
who work there now or working on the
field, go check the toilets or
something.

629
00:29:36,071 --> 00:29:39,191
Uh, their request is to build a parks
maintenance team like like we have

630
00:29:39,258 --> 00:29:41,291
in building maintenance.

631
00:29:41,358 --> 00:29:43,191
I've had a couple conversations with
council members as we were

632
00:29:43,258 --> 00:29:45,364
going over the draft of this.

633
00:29:45,431 --> 00:29:49,291
that maybe there's a value in
creating a unified citywide
maintenance and put

634
00:29:49,358 --> 00:29:52,691
it all under engineering and have
them maintain every single building

635
00:29:52,758 --> 00:29:57,341
and maybe there would be a way to
make this work with fewer total
people.

636
00:29:57,411 --> 00:30:00,069
But but they're they're pointing, I
think all three of these are

637
00:30:00,136 --> 00:30:01,939
valid business request

638
00:30:02,006 --> 00:30:04,369
is that we don't have the people
right now to maintain the parks

639
00:30:04,436 --> 00:30:05,979
building the way they should,

640
00:30:06,046 --> 00:30:07,619
they're not going to get the right
life out of them

641
00:30:07,686 --> 00:30:09,459
the way we're currently maintaining
them.

642
00:30:09,526 --> 00:30:10,539
So we need to do better.

643
00:30:10,606 --> 00:30:13,289
Uh and this was a this was a good
idea from them to start the process

644
00:30:13,356 --> 00:30:16,919
of thinking through how do we
maintain them better.

645
00:30:16,986 --> 00:30:20,939
It came out of our our process
improvements when we started looking
at asset management

646
00:30:21,006 --> 00:30:23,889
and where where are we not getting
things where we want to.

647
00:30:23,956 --> 00:30:27,819
So, I think it was a it was a good
idea whether we whether we go down
that path or not,

648
00:30:27,886 --> 00:30:30,006
we'll see what you think as we talk
about it.

649
00:30:30,436 --> 00:30:33,269
The public works request, so they in
addition to fleet and solid waste,

650
00:30:33,336 --> 00:30:36,386
they have these four key divisions.

651
00:30:36,556 --> 00:30:37,919
This is kind of what they're known
for.

652
00:30:37,986 --> 00:30:41,546
Like this is the go out and take care
of everything we own section.

653
00:30:41,836 --> 00:30:44,999
And when I first got here as a
manager, we had a bunch of vacancies
in public works.

654
00:30:45,066 --> 00:30:46,879
They over 10 people were vacant.

655
00:30:46,946 --> 00:30:49,229
They couldn't staff the four key
divisions,

656
00:30:49,296 --> 00:30:55,019
so we just kind of pushed them
together and then they would hit
projects based on what what was most
important.

657
00:30:55,086 --> 00:30:59,299
But there's a different skill set in
a different skill set in a guy that
can run a a machine like a can get in
there and dredge

658
00:30:59,366 --> 00:31:03,519
versus a mowing guy versus a guy
who's an expert at paving,

659
00:31:03,586 --> 00:31:06,689
versus the people who were good at
climbing in trees and cutting them
down.

660
00:31:06,756 --> 00:31:10,539
So, we have operators at both the
high level, in the middle level,

661
00:31:10,606 --> 00:31:17,086
and we have different types of
machines, and then we also have
maintenance worker levels that don't
operate the machines at the higher
level.

662
00:31:17,156 --> 00:31:21,169
Uh when we started re-staffing and
rebuilding public works after
Christmas this year,

663
00:31:21,236 --> 00:31:24,339
we put them back into their specified
areas,

664
00:31:24,406 --> 00:31:29,199
and what was happening is the storm
water and grounds don't have enough
people to fully get out and do their
job,

665
00:31:29,266 --> 00:31:34,929
so they were having to cannibalize by
grabbing people from streets or signs
and help them out on busy days,

666
00:31:34,996 --> 00:31:37,996
which then gets in the way of these
people doing their job.

667
00:32:37,926 --> 00:32:44,926
Uh so what they've requested is to
these two maintenance workers, which
are pure boots on the ground. These
are their our entry level maintenance
people that get out and help.

668
00:33:46,156 --> 00:33:51,446
With those two people and those two
divisions, you fully staff all four
components of public works

669
00:34:51,136 --> 00:34:55,850
going forward and they don't have to
cannibalize unless there's a really
good reason to do that.

670
00:35:00,762 --> 00:35:03,325
I hope that council meeting doesn't
have a giant zoning hearing on it.

671
00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:04,675
Uh so we can get through it sooner.

672
00:35:04,742 --> 00:35:07,195
If we if if you prefer not to do
that,

673
00:35:07,262 --> 00:35:10,665
or if that meeting we end up talking
about tall fences or zoning,

674
00:35:10,732 --> 00:35:12,825
uh we can we have the 28th as well.

675
00:35:12,892 --> 00:35:15,625
set in there. We wouldn't need to set
Maxge by then

676
00:35:15,692 --> 00:35:19,055
because the trim notices are due in
early August to submit that out.

677
00:35:19,122 --> 00:35:21,975
Uh there's a unique thing with the
budget hearings this year.

678
00:35:22,042 --> 00:35:24,845
There's a statute that requires a
certain amount of days

679
00:35:24,912 --> 00:35:27,775
between when we get the tax money
from the from the appraiser

680
00:35:27,842 --> 00:35:29,945
and when you can hold first reading.

681
00:35:30,012 --> 00:35:33,475
And because the oddity of September
with the first being a Tuesday,

682
00:35:33,542 --> 00:35:35,875
it threw everything out of whack with
Labor Day.

683
00:35:35,942 --> 00:35:39,585
So these are the two dates we are
hoping to get all of you together

684
00:35:39,652 --> 00:35:41,515
to vote on first and second reading.

685
00:35:41,582 --> 00:35:44,155
Uh it doesn't have to be decided
tonight, but feel free to give

686
00:35:44,222 --> 00:35:47,472
any feedback on it if if it doesn't
work.

687
00:35:47,972 --> 00:35:50,155
And then what I said here, we
summarize.

688
00:35:50,222 --> 00:35:54,745
So what I put in here is these are
all the general fund in 27.

689
00:35:54,812 --> 00:35:57,073
Uh so they're not recommendations
from us at this point,

690
00:35:57,140 --> 00:36:00,485
they are good ideas from people that
we want to get your feedback on.

691
00:36:00,552 --> 00:36:03,275
You can see the total over on the
right down at the bottom says total

692
00:36:03,342 --> 00:36:05,585
general fund 5.7 million.

693
00:36:05,652 --> 00:36:09,985
Uh and then the enhancements that hit
the general fund are the

694
00:36:10,052 --> 00:36:12,825
additional 5 1.5, so you're a little
over $7 million

695
00:36:12,892 --> 00:36:15,655
of request in this year that hit the
general fund.

696
00:36:15,722 --> 00:36:19,535
Uh what I put down at the bottom,
when we lowered the reserve to

697
00:36:19,602 --> 00:36:23,172
23 to 28%, we dropped that number to
19 million.

698
00:36:23,672 --> 00:36:27,073
So what happened is we had extra
money in fund balance. Some of it

699
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:29,055
was from selling Allen Green Center.

700
00:36:29,122 --> 00:36:32,372
Some of it not the main.

701
00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:36,535
And some of it was from FEMA
reimbursements, and then some of it

702
00:36:36,602 --> 00:36:38,325
was the excess funds that was in fund
balance.

703
00:36:38,392 --> 00:36:40,475
So that ended up being your $10
million.

704
00:36:40,542 --> 00:36:43,415
We don't fund general fund capital.

705
00:36:43,482 --> 00:36:46,955
I've worked in cities where you take
a millage rate and part of your

706
00:36:47,022 --> 00:36:50,255
millage is set aside specifically for
general fund capital.

707
00:36:50,322 --> 00:36:54,073
So you will say if our millage is
5.1, five of it runs operating,

708
00:36:54,140 --> 00:36:56,165
0.1 runs capital.

709
00:36:56,232 --> 00:36:58,775
And that way you constantly have
money to you don't end up deferring

710
00:36:58,842 --> 00:37:00,023
maintenance. We've never done that.

711
00:37:00,090 --> 00:37:03,425
Port Orange has always tried to
squeeze it all out of there.

712
00:37:03,492 --> 00:37:06,775
And basically what we did years back
is we just took

713
00:37:06,842 --> 00:37:09,375
leftover money and fund balance and
went, hey,

714
00:37:09,442 --> 00:37:12,515
we got 2.2 million, which one of
these 10 projects do you want to do?

715
00:37:12,582 --> 00:37:14,755
And and that leads to deferred
maintenance.

716
00:37:14,822 --> 00:37:17,475
That's what got us in trouble, that's
why we have duct tape and

717
00:37:17,542 --> 00:37:20,545
and WD40 reputation in the past.

718
00:37:20,612 --> 00:37:24,073
is that there's no reliable funding
source for general fund under that

719
00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:25,755
method.

720
00:37:25,822 --> 00:37:28,975
If you have a year, which if your
mando is a bad year because you get

721
00:37:29,042 --> 00:37:30,155
20 vacancies in the police
department,

722
00:37:30,222 --> 00:37:32,775
it creates a bunch of money in the
general fund to pay for

723
00:37:32,842 --> 00:37:34,405
general fund projects.

724
00:37:34,472 --> 00:37:37,073
So, but he's done an outstanding job
and so has Joe. We don't

725
00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:37,982
have those vacancies.

726
00:37:38,049 --> 00:37:41,415
And even with the turnover, they're
immediately filling them back.

727
00:37:41,482 --> 00:37:44,275
So I don't see us taking that $10
million savings account and

728
00:37:44,342 --> 00:37:46,073
growing it a whole lot.

729
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:50,975
We have a property off Reed Canal to
sell that maybe get us $750,000.

730
00:37:51,042 --> 00:37:54,925
It's got a pond in the middle. It's
making it a challenge to sell.

731
00:37:54,992 --> 00:37:57,725
Uh we may I think there's a small
piece of FEMA money we don't have

732
00:37:57,792 --> 00:37:58,985
back yet.

733
00:37:59,052 --> 00:38:01,735
But what I don't see that that's not
going to just keep growing.

734
00:38:01,802 --> 00:38:04,025
So if you spent 7.2 million of it,
you're going to have two and a half

735
00:38:04,092 --> 00:38:08,025
left and not a whole lot more coming
in the future.

736
00:38:08,092 --> 00:38:11,025
So I'm pretty sure some of these
things are going to be hard decisions

737
00:38:11,092 --> 00:38:12,505
that we just can't do now.

738
00:38:12,572 --> 00:38:13,985
uh going forward.

739
00:38:14,052 --> 00:38:16,475
But we wanted you to at least see
them and be able to comment on them

740
00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:18,345
before we started making decisions.

741
00:38:18,412 --> 00:38:20,375
And I was the one telling you what
not to do.

742
00:38:20,442 --> 00:38:23,275
Uh but at least we got that out there
so you can you can see that

743
00:38:23,342 --> 00:38:24,655
as a whole.

744
00:38:24,722 --> 00:38:26,615
And then the last slide is the
maintenance.

745
00:38:26,682 --> 00:38:29,975
Cuz I I still want to stress that if
we own it, we need to take

746
00:38:30,042 --> 00:38:31,073
care of it.

747
00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:33,755
We shouldn't have stuff and not take
care of it.

748
00:38:33,822 --> 00:38:36,475
Uh we have seen that with the
generator at the police department

749
00:38:36,542 --> 00:38:38,745
where we lost a decade of used on it.

750
00:38:38,812 --> 00:38:41,975
We've had the the one one wreck got
built, uh nobody added a generator

751
00:38:42,042 --> 00:38:46,035
big enough to actually handle the
additional wreck,

752
00:38:46,102 --> 00:38:48,955
So there there's things like that
roofs that didn't last as long.

753
00:38:49,022 --> 00:38:51,375
Uh we really need to make sure that
we take care of what we have going

754
00:38:51,442 --> 00:38:52,295
forward.

755
00:38:52,362 --> 00:38:55,775
So we don't want to lose the
maintenance as well going forward.

756
00:38:55,842 --> 00:38:57,725
So those are the two key decision
points.

757
00:38:57,792 --> 00:39:00,675
I'd be happy to answer any questions.
I'll look back over here to see what

758
00:39:00,742 --> 00:39:04,025
I got wrong. Staff can correct me
with their corrections text when I
get

759
00:39:04,092 --> 00:39:06,242
stuff wrong.

760
00:39:06,742 --> 00:39:09,772
But other than that, I'm done talking
if you guys have other comments.

761
00:39:11,542 --> 00:39:15,005
Wow. Well, that's uh, that's a lot of
information.

762
00:39:15,072 --> 00:39:18,475
And and as the city manager talked
about, this is kind of a first step

763
00:39:18,542 --> 00:39:20,795
in the annual budget process.

764
00:39:20,862 --> 00:39:22,073
Pay attention, Stan.

765
00:39:22,140 --> 00:39:23,073
[laughter]

766
00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:25,775
And um, I know he's a numbers guy.
He's already over there. He's his

767
00:39:25,842 --> 00:39:26,865
head spinning.

768
00:39:26,932 --> 00:39:27,865
[laughter]

769
00:39:27,932 --> 00:39:31,023
Um, you know, this is this is

770
00:39:31,090 --> 00:39:35,073
without question the most unique
budget session that we're going to

771
00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:39,165
go into since I've been on the
council,

772
00:39:39,232 --> 00:39:44,275
only to probably be surpassed next
possibly next year.

773
00:39:44,342 --> 00:39:45,175
[laughter]

774
00:39:45,812 --> 00:39:49,305
So, uh former Mayor Green used to say
all the time,

775
00:39:49,372 --> 00:39:53,073
it is not about that initial purchase
for buildings, equipment,

776
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:56,955
or whatever, it will always be about
the maintenance.

777
00:39:57,022 --> 00:40:00,523
That's the cost that really is going
to need to

778
00:40:00,590 --> 00:40:03,643
something and you you wrestle with
and come to terms with

779
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:04,643
and you and you plan for.

780
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:07,123
And and and I will

781
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:09,823
Like I said earlier in the meeting
tonight.

782
00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:12,823
You know, kicking cans and kicking
maintenance

783
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:14,823
is going to catch you.

784
00:40:14,890 --> 00:40:16,423
It is going to catch you.

785
00:40:16,490 --> 00:40:17,843
and it's probably going to

786
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:19,443
catch you when you're not

787
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:21,223
prepared to compensate for it.

788
00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:23,643
Um we've we've we have seen

789
00:40:23,710 --> 00:40:26,443
really important infrastructure

790
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:29,123
in the past unexpectedly

791
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:31,043
break, burst, you know, what

792
00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:32,843
whatever, um and you got to

793
00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:33,943
be able to respond to that stuff.

794
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:37,123
You got to have the funds and you got
to be able to deal with that

795
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:40,023
and um so kicking the can cost you a
lot more.

796
00:40:40,090 --> 00:40:44,090
All that just to say my my comments
are pretty simple tonight.

797
00:40:44,290 --> 00:40:47,643
I one of the fears that I have and
this probably comes from

798
00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:50,843
not only being a past employee of the
city,

799
00:40:50,910 --> 00:40:53,190
but sitting up here on the city
council.

800
00:40:53,590 --> 00:40:56,943
One of the hardest things that I
think an elected official on this

801
00:40:57,010 --> 00:41:00,243
dais could potentially ever have to
do is cut services

802
00:41:00,310 --> 00:41:04,990
and or cut personnel.

803
00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:09,223
When you know that it's not good for
the community.

804
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:11,043
But if you don't have a way to pay
for it,

805
00:41:11,110 --> 00:41:14,090
something's going to have to give.

806
00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:18,643
So, um this is this is the city
manager's job,

807
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:22,943
and this is the staff's job to make
these recommendations to

808
00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:25,243
to forecast for us where we need to
be,

809
00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:29,443
what we're going to need to have to
maintain the quality of life

810
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:31,043
and the services in the city of Port
Orange that our

811
00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:32,590
residents have come to expect.

812
00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:36,743
Um the reality of it is is that we
know coming November the

813
00:41:36,810 --> 00:41:39,843
residents are going to get an
opportunity to speak as to

814
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:44,990
whether or not that is still what
they want from us.

815
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:48,043
Um, so as we work through this year's
budget,

816
00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:50,843
it's going to be very difficult for
us not to have in the

817
00:41:50,910 --> 00:41:53,143
back of our mind that

818
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:55,943
there is a significant risk that if
we start adding more

819
00:41:56,010 --> 00:42:00,843
new things to this budget

820
00:42:00,910 --> 00:42:05,943
and to what we do as a city, there's
a very strong possibility

821
00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:10,590
that the following year you're going
to have to remove them.

822
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:12,443
So just keep keep that in mind.

823
00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:15,743
I know that's not anything any of us
want to have to do. Um,

824
00:42:15,810 --> 00:42:18,143
but it will definitely be something
that we will have

825
00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:19,990
to be considering.

826
00:42:20,490 --> 00:42:23,643
So, um I I think that if the city
manager said this is this

827
00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:26,623
is just the first step to lay this
out for us.

828
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:29,943
I do like the five-year increment
look, when I think that's um

829
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:33,890
that's the only way to focus and look
at this.

830
00:42:34,090 --> 00:42:36,043
Some of those project numbers are
huge when you set

831
00:42:36,110 --> 00:42:39,590
when you set $170 million.

832
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:42,943
I'm like, man, I I missed that. I'm
I'm looking back at that.

833
00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:46,843
I'm like, holy that is a $170 million
project.

834
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:49,523
That's amazing that we're talking
about that.

835
00:42:49,590 --> 00:42:53,743
But here again, you know, that's part
of I guess you would argue

836
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:56,023
unfunded mandates, right?

837
00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:58,943
These are these are mandates that are
being made upon

838
00:42:59,010 --> 00:43:01,843
municipalities that higher levels of
government to do

839
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:04,023
where you have to do it.

840
00:43:04,090 --> 00:43:06,923
And it's easy to say, well, we might
get a forgivable loan.

841
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:08,043
That'd be great.

842
00:43:08,110 --> 00:43:10,943
We're not the only city that are
going to be looking for those

843
00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:14,643
unforgivable loans to meet these
higher level government mandates

844
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:17,843
and then even if you have like you
said, maybe you just get

845
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:20,623
an interest and it's favorable at 1%.

846
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:21,523
That's great.

847
00:43:21,590 --> 00:43:23,443
You still got to pay it back. You got
to have a plan and a

848
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:26,790
funding mechanism that pays it back.

849
00:43:27,590 --> 00:43:32,123
Um, so anyway, all all that just to
say that that's what's on my mind

850
00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:35,643
Um, is, you know, I I really want to
see us work hard to

851
00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:39,690
continue maintaining what we already
have in this city.

852
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:43,243
Um, and that in and of itself is a
challenge, not knowing what,

853
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:50,090
you know, the next whatever four
months may may may dictate to us.

854
00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:51,823
Lance, we'll start with you.

855
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:55,143
Oh, I'm good. I've been through this
thing already. I rolled

856
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:58,123
through it several hours last night
and again,

857
00:43:58,190 --> 00:44:01,843
I'm just I'm worried and I'm worried
about what's going to

858
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:04,123
happen in November, honestly. I'm
just

859
00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:05,523
I'm worried.

860
00:44:06,090 --> 00:44:08,943
So, but other than that, I will we'll
keep progressing with

861
00:44:09,010 --> 00:44:11,490
with what we got.

862
00:44:11,890 --> 00:44:13,223
John?

863
00:44:13,390 --> 00:44:18,743
I want to say thank you very much.
Your presentation was incredibly

864
00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:23,443
very well to understand. I've always
felt like when you talk

865
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:25,523
to me, I understand what you're
saying.

866
00:44:25,590 --> 00:44:30,390
I hope that our our our citizens can
see this.

867
00:44:31,090 --> 00:44:34,643
And unfortunately, there's 1, 2, 3,
4, 5, 6, 7, 8 in the

868
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:36,590
audience right now.

869
00:44:37,090 --> 00:44:40,043
The absolute most important thing we
do as an elected

870
00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:42,390
official is this budget.

871
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:45,223
And no one shows up for it.

872
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:49,043
It blows my mind that I've had more
people in front of us

873
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:53,043
for fluoride in our water than the
most important thing

874
00:44:53,110 --> 00:44:57,323
that's paying the operating costs of
this city.

875
00:44:57,390 --> 00:44:59,990
And what it tells me is

876
00:45:00,702 --> 00:45:03,075
that the people trust us.

877
00:45:03,142 --> 00:45:06,802
And they trust us because we provide
the information.

878
00:45:07,102 --> 00:45:10,035
And you did a great job doing that,
and I really appreciate that.

879
00:45:10,102 --> 00:45:12,712
And we need to get this information
out to everybody.

880
00:45:13,122 --> 00:45:15,375
So they understand the importance of
where the money

881
00:45:15,442 --> 00:45:17,865
comes from and what we spend it on.

882
00:45:17,932 --> 00:45:19,455
And it's quality of life.

883
00:45:19,522 --> 00:45:21,325
And it services, it's firefighters
and police

884
00:45:21,392 --> 00:45:23,005
officers and parks and wreck.

885
00:45:23,072 --> 00:45:25,115
Everything everybody wants and why
they live here.

886
00:45:25,182 --> 00:45:28,965
It's the streets, it's the setbacks,
it's the everything,

887
00:45:29,032 --> 00:45:30,532
the trees.

888
00:45:30,612 --> 00:45:32,345
All cost money.

889
00:45:32,412 --> 00:45:36,272
I didn't see anything in here, Robin,
in here, Robin, in reference to the
lights on Taylor Road.

890
00:45:36,515 --> 00:45:37,955
It's all I got.

891
00:45:38,650 --> 00:45:40,375
It needs to be in there.

892
00:45:40,442 --> 00:45:41,775
Tracy.

893
00:45:42,438 --> 00:45:48,911
Wayne, thank you for the five-year
plan, um, and thank you to all your
staff for putting this together.

894
00:45:48,978 --> 00:45:52,648
I know it takes an army of
individuals to do this.

895
00:45:53,738 --> 00:45:59,638
Um, previous budgets over the last
couple of years, me sitting up here
and reviewing,

896
00:46:00,188 --> 00:46:03,798
this was a way easier process.

897
00:46:04,118 --> 00:46:07,728
So, thank you staff for that and
putting this together.

898
00:46:07,818 --> 00:46:13,711
It's always about a five-year plan.
We've we've talked about build out uh
coming and how that's going to affect
the city.

899
00:46:13,778 --> 00:46:16,748
We have to have a plan in in motion,

900
00:46:16,888 --> 00:46:23,781
and by seeing this now come into
fruition, it shows me that you and
your staff is planning for that.

901
00:46:23,848 --> 00:46:27,568
So, thank you because the future's
going to be hard.

902
00:46:27,858 --> 00:46:32,498
November's going to put a kink in
things, I believe.

903
00:46:33,058 --> 00:46:34,231
And that makes it even harder.

904
00:46:34,298 --> 00:46:40,121
But for right now, what this is is if
we go forward, we have a plan in
place

905
00:46:40,188 --> 00:46:46,288
to be able to take care of the
citizens, the infrastructure, but
also the staff.

906
00:46:47,558 --> 00:46:54,558
You know, a lot people don't think
about, you know, you got 500 people
that we we answer to.

907
00:46:55,368 --> 00:46:58,771
But 65,000 people that we definitely
answer to.

908
00:46:58,838 --> 00:47:02,421
So these plans and budgets have to be
spot on.

909
00:47:02,488 --> 00:47:04,688
So, thank you for this.

910
00:47:08,377 --> 00:47:14,800
Yeah, Wayne, I uh, I feel like these
presentations have gotten easier to
digest each year.

911
00:47:14,867 --> 00:47:20,897
And and I appreciate you and and
staff and and staff tonight. I know
it's not fun for y'all to sit here
for a three and a half hour meeting.

912
00:47:21,027 --> 00:47:23,547
Appreciate all the hard work you guys
do,

913
00:47:23,807 --> 00:47:25,697
you know, 24/7. So.

914
00:47:26,337 --> 00:47:28,190
Um, I think Scott said it best.

915
00:47:28,257 --> 00:47:29,830
Yeah, I think we all know, you know,

916
00:47:29,897 --> 00:47:31,420
the elephant in the room with with,

917
00:47:31,487 --> 00:47:33,290
you know, whatever's going to happen

918
00:47:33,357 --> 00:47:34,930
with uh this this voter

919
00:47:34,997 --> 00:47:36,597
opportunity.

920
00:47:37,097 --> 00:47:41,620
Um, with the state suggestions and
and this piece of legislation.

921
00:47:41,687 --> 00:47:45,720
So, it's it's going to be a a very
interesting thing to watch.

922
00:47:45,787 --> 00:47:48,340
I think we have to be very careful,

923
00:47:48,407 --> 00:47:50,070
um, because Scott's right,

924
00:47:50,137 --> 00:47:52,200
the last thing you want to do is

925
00:47:52,267 --> 00:47:53,360
is have to peel back

926
00:47:53,427 --> 00:47:55,230
and and start making cuts.

927
00:47:55,297 --> 00:48:01,967
So, um, you know, there's there's a
time to spend, there's a time to save
and there's there's a time to stand
pat.

928
00:48:02,257 --> 00:48:03,980
And um, this year might be one of

929
00:48:04,047 --> 00:48:05,930
those times that we we want to be

930
00:48:05,997 --> 00:48:08,330
a little more on the cautious side

931
00:48:08,397 --> 00:48:10,300
because um, we don't know what

932
00:48:10,367 --> 00:48:12,470
is going to happen come, you know,

933
00:48:12,537 --> 00:48:13,927
after November.

934
00:48:16,724 --> 00:48:19,014
Wayne, I I think um,

935
00:48:19,584 --> 00:48:20,957
I'm going to give you a a chance

936
00:48:21,024 --> 00:48:21,914
to close out the conversation,

937
00:48:21,981 --> 00:48:23,657
but I think you're going to need
more,

938
00:48:23,724 --> 00:48:25,587
you know, obviously direction from

939
00:48:25,654 --> 00:48:27,797
council, not necessarily tonight.

940
00:48:27,864 --> 00:48:30,157
But I I I think that what I would

941
00:48:30,224 --> 00:48:31,937
encourage and challenge council

942
00:48:32,004 --> 00:48:33,497
to be having the one-on-one

943
00:48:33,564 --> 00:48:35,524
discussions with Wayne and his team

944
00:48:35,794 --> 00:48:38,027
is is provide the direction that

945
00:48:38,094 --> 00:48:39,547
they need from us.

946
00:48:39,614 --> 00:48:41,467
Look at some of these projects

947
00:48:41,534 --> 00:48:43,707
specifically, you know, right right

948
00:48:43,774 --> 00:48:45,417
off the bat for me, the the Parks

949
00:48:45,484 --> 00:48:47,987
and Rec bond projects.

950
00:48:48,054 --> 00:48:54,607
and how quickly and fast do we want
to advance those, knowing they could
get hung out to dry.

951
00:48:54,674 --> 00:49:00,107
And and and that that sucks, for lack
of a better way, because our voters
have already spoke to that.

952
00:49:00,174 --> 00:49:03,414
Mhm. But our our voters won't have
complete control.

953
00:49:03,574 --> 00:49:05,697
The state voters will have complete
control.

954
00:49:05,764 --> 00:49:08,037
And so we, you know, I I've already

955
00:49:08,104 --> 00:49:10,047
talked to Wayne that, you know, no

956
00:49:10,114 --> 00:49:12,044
matter how the vote shakes out,

957
00:49:12,154 --> 00:49:14,357
sometime, and this will come later

958
00:49:14,424 --> 00:49:15,927
after the vote in November,

959
00:49:15,994 --> 00:49:21,954
that we will be able to go in by
precincts and look specifically at
what their our voters say.

960
00:49:22,344 --> 00:49:24,797
So we will do that, you know, we will
be able to do that.

961
00:49:24,864 --> 00:49:26,807
And and so you'll be able to see

962
00:49:26,874 --> 00:49:28,517
obviously whatever happens with the

963
00:49:28,584 --> 00:49:30,177
statewide vote, that's going to

964
00:49:30,244 --> 00:49:31,817
dictate state uh constitutional

965
00:49:31,884 --> 00:49:33,227
changes, or not.

966
00:49:33,294 --> 00:49:36,384
But we'll still be able to look and
see what did our voters want.

967
00:49:36,514 --> 00:49:38,567
And and um, so we'll we'll be doing
that.

968
00:49:38,634 --> 00:49:43,227
All that to say, that's well after
the next budget gets passed. Mhm.

969
00:49:43,294 --> 00:49:45,367
So we've got work to do trying to

970
00:49:45,434 --> 00:49:47,407
to to forecast what we think the

971
00:49:47,474 --> 00:49:48,887
future may hold.

972
00:49:48,954 --> 00:49:50,437
We just need to approach that

973
00:49:50,504 --> 00:49:51,934
with caution.

974
00:49:52,314 --> 00:49:54,427
Um, but but keeping what we do know

975
00:49:54,494 --> 00:49:55,967
about our community is that our

976
00:49:56,034 --> 00:49:57,717
residents look for a high quality

977
00:49:57,784 --> 00:49:59,844
of life and they do expect high

978
00:50:00,181 --> 00:50:02,911
all these services. She's going to
have to figure out how

979
00:50:03,201 --> 00:50:06,684
where that line is exactly and how to
provide that. So

980
00:50:06,751 --> 00:50:10,614
just be be mindful of that. Have
these conversations with Wayne

981
00:50:10,681 --> 00:50:13,224
and his staff and then

982
00:50:13,291 --> 00:50:16,411
Wayne you let us know, hey, I got to
know this.

983
00:50:16,601 --> 00:50:18,660
Where do you guys want to be on this,
you know?

984
00:50:18,727 --> 00:50:20,324
And and I think you can feel it. I
mean,

985
00:50:20,391 --> 00:50:22,650
you know, you're a resident taxpayer
of the City of Port Orange, too.

986
00:50:22,717 --> 00:50:25,950
So yes, you're the city manager, but
you also can see what's going on

987
00:50:26,017 --> 00:50:28,881
right now in our state and our
community. So

988
00:50:28,961 --> 00:50:30,490
just keep us in the loop what you
need.

989
00:50:30,557 --> 00:50:32,515
Any other comments you want to make
on this tonight?

990
00:50:32,582 --> 00:50:35,431
Just to make sure to thank the staff
that dealt with me.

991
00:50:35,498 --> 00:50:38,435
We met twice a day for the last
couple of weeks.

992
00:50:38,502 --> 00:50:41,465
with several meetings going after
5:00.

993
00:50:41,532 --> 00:50:45,801
And Sue and Petra were at a at a
conference learning about the tax
stuff.

994
00:50:45,868 --> 00:50:49,121
And drove all the way over here from
Orlando to do it just to go back
again.

995
00:50:49,188 --> 00:50:51,451
So the staff has been very patient. I
don't know.

996
00:50:51,518 --> 00:50:55,262
We're on revision 30, 35 or
something.

997
00:50:55,422 --> 00:50:59,131
just but all the questions on what is
this, why is this, help me with

998
00:50:59,198 --> 00:51:00,762
that information.

999
00:51:01,082 --> 00:51:02,271
they've been there for the answers.

1000
00:51:02,338 --> 00:51:05,161
If you guys if you see a project you
want to know more about, let me know.

1001
00:51:05,228 --> 00:51:07,741
If it's something you want to go
physically see, if you want to walk

1002
00:51:07,808 --> 00:51:09,145
in the building and look at it.

1003
00:51:09,212 --> 00:51:12,171
that it helps understand it. Let us
know what we need to do to help you

1004
00:51:12,238 --> 00:51:15,045
understand it, to help with direction
to us going forward.

1005
00:51:15,112 --> 00:51:16,121
Yeah, and I Mr. Mayor,

1006
00:51:16,188 --> 00:51:18,871
I'd like to just go through every
page one more time.

1007
00:51:18,938 --> 00:51:20,271
One more time!

1008
00:51:20,622 --> 00:51:22,082
[laughter] said some caffeine.

1009
00:51:22,332 --> 00:51:25,061
I know, I know it's getting to be a
late meeting and we're running along.

1010
00:51:25,128 --> 00:51:27,322
But I just want to say this to staff.

1011
00:51:27,442 --> 00:51:30,931
And I mean this to not only the staff
that's here tonight but your staff,

1012
00:51:30,998 --> 00:51:32,592
you know, all the way down.

1013
00:51:32,882 --> 00:51:37,701
There is absolutely in my mind
nothing in this presentation tonight

1014
00:51:37,768 --> 00:51:41,025
that I look at and go, that's utterly
ridiculous.

1015
00:51:41,092 --> 00:51:43,885
So I I I think all of this is

1016
00:51:43,952 --> 00:51:45,301
is stuff that is

1017
00:51:45,368 --> 00:51:46,595
holds a lot of merit.

1018
00:51:46,662 --> 00:51:50,181
It it holds true to what the vision
and the focus of our city and our

1019
00:51:50,248 --> 00:51:53,095
residents have looked for and and
asked for.

1020
00:51:53,162 --> 00:51:55,842
And so I I appreciate that.

1021
00:51:56,012 --> 00:52:00,061
I also appreciate that the staff is
well aware of this discussion we're

1022
00:52:00,128 --> 00:52:02,565
trying to beat around the bush a
little bit with.

1023
00:52:02,632 --> 00:52:04,732
Because we just don't know what
November's bringing.

1024
00:52:04,812 --> 00:52:08,685
And and I know that all of you are
very experienced and very seasoned.

1025
00:52:08,752 --> 00:52:11,642
And you understand exactly what we're
trying to say.

1026
00:52:12,442 --> 00:52:14,165
We just got to have your way to pay
for it, right?

1027
00:52:14,232 --> 00:52:20,021
There has to the the the investors of
our city have to be able to pay

1028
00:52:20,088 --> 00:52:23,035
for it. What does that mechanism look
like?

1029
00:52:23,102 --> 00:52:25,802
If this is what they want, how does
that occur?

1030
00:52:25,932 --> 00:52:28,155
And the complexity of the budget,

1031
00:52:28,222 --> 00:52:30,762
thank you for what you do.

1032
00:52:30,892 --> 00:52:33,471
The complexity of the budget because
I'm going to promise you this,

1033
00:52:33,538 --> 00:52:36,671
Facebook doesn't have a clue how
stuff gets funded in municipal

1034
00:52:36,738 --> 00:52:38,272
government.

1035
00:52:38,442 --> 00:52:39,645
Not a clue.

1036
00:52:39,712 --> 00:52:41,491
I have yet to see one single person,

1037
00:52:41,558 --> 00:52:45,411
a lot with opinions, but none of them
have a clue what money comes from

1038
00:52:45,478 --> 00:52:48,161
where and what restrictions and
certain money is is is

1039
00:52:48,228 --> 00:52:50,405
and how that plays out in municipal
government.

1040
00:52:50,472 --> 00:52:53,272
It's it's very complex, so we
appreciate what you guys do.

1041
00:52:54,422 --> 00:52:58,721
All right, now from that item, um,
moving on to item 23, Council

1042
00:52:58,788 --> 00:52:59,741
Committee reports.