[0:00] There we go.
[0:02] this meeting is being recorded
[0:06] welcome, everybody. Townsend parks commission and advisory board to order at 3:02 pm on september third
[0:22] the role of this commission is to advise city government in order to facilitate public arts programs that enhance the cultural life of community residents, promote and encourage programs that further the development and public awareness of, as well as the interest in all forms of the arts
[0:40] the arts commission also works to strengthen artists' opportunities, visibility, and vitality within our community.
[0:47] this meeting is open to the public, etc.
[0:50] all right. A roll call
[0:53] chair arts commission
[0:57] chair. No, not chair good that's fine.
[1:11] christine walsh rogers is not chair for johnson
[1:17] not today. Sheena, you're at arts commission. Arts commissioner
[1:26] melanie musinski, art commission, katie goodman, arts and culture coordinator for the city of portland.
[1:37] my turn. Dan grossman, arts commissioner, vice chair.
[1:42] and on libby wenstrom, city council liaison.
[1:48] everybody
[1:51] all right.
[1:53] any changes, suggestions for the agenda.
[1:58] was it good to proceed as is
[2:02] I'll take that as a good to proceed as is. Approval of the minutes from august 13th to
[2:22] thank you.
[2:26] it wasn't critical. You said, I'll just go back. Any comments changes to the minutes from the 13th
[2:41] if not, is there a motion to approve
[2:45] moved in a second. I'll second. Second. All in favor?
[3:00] public comment.
[3:04] they're very quiet today.
[3:08] okay.
[3:15] chair update. There is
[3:20] suggestions for changing the
[3:33] agenda for the meetings the rest of the year. Nothing drastic. I think, you know, diverting october mostly to city arts and culture planning which covers
[3:49] this body deals with the creative districts.
[3:54] so I think that's probably a good topic to spend a fair amount of time on in november. Hopefully we'll have somebody from public works
[4:07] and so we can talk about the 1% for the arts, the ap 4 plan. And then I was thinking that given the history and some of the issues that have been raised around the
[4:22] markers. The creative district that may need to form a task force to figure out
[4:31] what we want to do with them and make recommendations. This was a history that I wasn't familiar with.
[4:40] well, I think the position that we're now is just that these were pieces of work that we're, you know commissioned through the pd main street program when the district was part of pt main street, and now they have, you know, legally become part of the city, because that
[4:59] program is transferred into the city, but they haven't been like, for instance, accessioned into the public art collection or other kinds of decisions made about they just sort of are owned by the city now. And so what's the next steps for those pieces? And you know there's
[5:15] some discussion around that in the public art committee and stuff like that, some ideas about maybe relocating them into one place, and having them be more like a family together, and that sort of thing. So
[5:25] just putting together, yeah, like a task force to kind of make a make some decisions about that particular project felt like it might be efficient. Did we want to
[5:37] that test course before
[5:41] that point, or is that something we can do? I think the idea would be just to do that at that point. So, yeah, yeah. Can I ask that what do you mean when you say our partners? What are you referring to? Markers are the sculptures that are spread around town. There's one at tyler plaza. There's one over here on monroe and washington
[6:02] and there's one up by the library and one on the corner of tyler and taylor and lawrence uptown, and they're meant to demarcate the
[6:13] zones of interest for actionable markers. They're those weird-looking sculptures that are… look like a blue taped-up ball of tape sitting on top of them. Those are called markers. They're called art markers. I didn't know what they were. I joined the commission either
[6:35] the ones on f street. Are those also part of this? Those are those are like a commission piece that was commissioned by the city in the 80s.
[6:48] so just the ones around the creative dispute
[6:52] that's their agreement.
[7:00] hearing back from the committees, like the arts grant committees committee just filling out this document.
[7:10] 2027 is the suggestion that we may comments on this. And does this need a motion
[7:19] I don't know that needs a motion, because I don't think that this work plan, you know, this particular schedule is just sort of internal mixing, but if there are any
[7:30] comments or inputs
[7:33] did just get a message today from heidi who has, who feels like she needs to resign because she's not able to
[7:50] devote enough time to the commission
[7:54] so, just talking to lonnie about it, since her terms, I believe, in may
[8:02] we've
[8:04] put out a request for applications. And yeah, a request for applications and
[8:14] find somebody to fill in for
[8:20] but I thought everybody should know it's unfortunate. But certainly understandable. Wanted to spend time with her business, which is her livelihood. She says, I don't know what we do is sorry
[8:35] well, I understand and support that. And a baby, and a new baby, yeah. She'd be the primary mission.
[8:51] yeah, so that is something and I don't need any action on that. Do we need to make a motion to accept that? It's just to let them know that if they've got friends, we'll know the word out
[9:07] and I'll put that in the, you know in the arts and culture newsletter that there's an open speech and I
[9:17] we'll bring to the next meeting because I did not find this time, but like a thank you that we can so we can send heidi. Thank you for the work that she has put in, which is not significant. How long has she been on
[9:31] yeah.
[9:38] the treasurer's
[9:40] there's no updates this time around.
[9:45] I haven't spent any money, but it's coming. It's a good thing.
[9:55] snapdate
[9:58] so yeah, a couple of things here. I think we have a little bit of time to go over stuff, since it doesn't seem like we're going to have presentations and and we have actually relatively small grants today, but I'll try to go through it very quickly.
[10:13] I… we have a graphic designer who's working with the city, and there had been a long-standing idea that it might be time for the arts commission to have an updated logo that maybe was a little bit more
[10:28] like, understandable and stuff like that, legible, I guess is the word and so she came up with a few ideas, and I thought it might be worth discussing them, and maybe voting on one if people are don't feel like that's
[10:42] to sudden or something. I feel like this would be a good way to move into the next phase of ptac's work is to have a cool new logo. I don't know if you had a chance to look at these at all. I can just sort of scroll through them. A little bit. There's 3 options
[11:00] this one has sort of like a cool art nouveau vibe.
[11:05] and yeah
[11:08] it can be used in a variety of ways.
[11:17] again, sort of a cool pink and black deco vibe.
[11:24] blue variation. So did you have a chance to look at these at all? Okay. I'm just gonna scroll through them just a bit then
[11:33] this one's cool, it's a little more masculine, I would say.
[11:38] but also, you know, a little bit has… you know, I think all of these are just a little bit more of a clean look than the current flow which is updated, so it's kind of just cool to think about using these, I think, instead. And then finally, this one, which
[11:55] I had like a reaction to the mixed
[12:03] I don't know what you'd even call that, but upper and lower case, or what have you. I'll just say my feeling was I liked number 2. I agree that maybe it might be not
[12:18] it's just bold or something, but it's readable. And I… maybe it's getting older or something, but I'm like, there's all these… like, it's like, what the does that say? You know? Like, I'm, like, trying to figure it out with weird fonts and mixing of, like, you know, hand, like, script
[12:38] type letters and things and so
[12:42] I, like, I reacted to this one with, I can read that, and I really like that.
[12:48] I generally do lean toward art nouveau stuff, and as a logo, I find number one less
[13:04] yeah.
[13:05] readable than the one we have, unfortunately. Can I ask what is the one that we have? It should be on the front of your someone else maybe just
[13:08] I also
[13:09] I'll raise my hand.
[13:13] I tend to really like art nouveau design, but I would agree that there's something about that that is the first one that I find hard to read, particularly in the negative space, that, like, my eye is trying to make those shapes into something
[13:29] that I think both the first one and the third one had readability issues. The third one, it wasn't that the letters weren't readable, it's that that whole, the t ends up as like a backwards j, and it like
[13:42] I don't know, woke up some sort of giant dyslexia thing on me, so I would generally agree with the assessment that the block one is kind of the clearest, boldest
[13:54] which one is that?
[13:56] is there a second one.
[13:58] I'd love to see them next to each other, but I understand they're on three different slides here, so.
[14:03] that one you called an art museum, it didn't strike me as an art museum. Can I see the last one again? Yeah.
[14:13] hmm.
[14:14] oh, the first one or this one? This one.
[14:19] I don't know, I kind of like the first one, but I totally understand. It's not very readable. I know, I mean, I was looking at it going
[14:28] like the horizontal route and the vertical one
[14:40] I think the idea is it can be used in all of these variations depending on where it appears. So if you needed the bottom of a piece of paper on the side of an app
[15:03] okay.
[15:04] I think there's a couple options we could spend some more time with this and we could make this decision the next meeting, you know, introducing this idea, or if people are like, let's take a vote, we can do that. So it's up to the commission, I think which
[15:05] can I say something?
[15:09] can you guys hear me all right? Okay
[15:11] this might sound radical, but I just kind of like the one we had, you know? We've spent years doing some brand recognition, and our emphasis was getting that on people's placards and signage and things at, events, so we've, like, worked really hard over all the years. Maybe
[15:26] 15 years we've had that logo, something like that, to try to get that to be recognized. That said, I would like to see the current one that we have
[15:35] depicted with the words port townsend arts commission, because otherwise people are like, oh great sponsored by the port townsend athletic club, which has been around before the arts commission, I think. So having the word spelled out. So that would be my vote would keep the one we have, but add the words arts commission to it
[15:52] if we had to go with a new one, I kind of like the first one. It's sort of a craftsman style. I think that speaks arts to me, and yeah, so I kind of like that art nouveau.
[16:04] first one there.
[16:08] when did it come about that our old one was stale and needed to be replaced? Like, has that been
[16:14] coming in
[16:15] it was something that alexis had brought up, you know, it was kind of part of her emphasis on like the developed like sort of internal development for the commission. It was one of the things that she had noted that she thought it was time to maybe
[16:31] reflect sort of alongside the same idea of like it's time to redo the art awards and make them a little different. You know, I think it was just a little bit of, like, a modernization mindset that she had. I mean, yeah, that's another option, is that the commission could be like, we don't care, we want to keep the current logo. That
[16:48] that's also an option. But again, this could just be when we introduce this and we could come back and discuss it at the next meeting since we do have grants and stuff to do. Is there an expense working with this designer?
[17:01] maybe we say could we, you know
[17:06] the enhanced
[17:09] work on all 3 of these, or whichever ones we prefer, and include a reworking of the current
[17:17] yeah, I mean, I could go back and say, like, hey, they'd like to see something that's, like, maybe slightly more similar to the current logo or something like that, or, like, references it, and look at that alongside of these. I don't know how to ask, but, like, an enhancement of these in a particular specific request for the… yeah.
[17:35] you know, I would say, like, maybe just in listening, a good piece of feedback would be, like, you know, there was good reaction to all of these, but there was also feedback on all of these, and perhaps to share just, you know, like, we liked sort of the feel of number one with the art no nuvo, but maybe increasing or improving some of the readability of it right
[17:58] or taking that second one and giving it a little bit more of a twist, so it's not so plain. So it's not that they have to, you know, start from scratch, but it could be just taking some of that into
[18:11] what's already there, and then considering that we like the current one that that also might inform the artist. Yeah, right how to think about, you know. I don't like the first one. And that's, yeah, that's yeah, shouldn't we like vote before we ask the designer to, like
[18:28] yeah, I just was using that as kind of an example of how you could give that feedback once you know what you want to do. There's several options, right? I hate making an artist work just without the idea about voting, which is a good one
[18:45] did we vote on all three include the open
[18:52] I think so.
[18:56] yeah, I, you know, I'm just not remembering the… the original page 114. I mean, I kind of wonder about
[19:12] it was 114.
[19:20] yeah, I agree. 114 designed for design's sake, and that doesn't really feel very like pt
[19:38] yeah, I mean, I just don't… I honestly don't really feel like
[19:48] so it's a little hard for me to feel like I could, especially when you see the current one. So here it is. It has a few colors
[20:06] yeah
[20:07] you know, I could see that one without the box around it where it's just the oculus there, the oval and then the words port townsend arts commission below it somehow, like a morph of those would be
[20:18] I don't know, I like this one
[20:24] thank you.
[20:25] why is it true? Well, I was wondering if that would help modernize it. Well, all right.
[20:37] let's do a strong poll here. How many people prefer the first art nouveau option, perhaps with the instruction? Is this the vote? Not official. Okay.
[20:53] the art nouveau version with the request of making it a bit more readable, recognizable. How many people prefer that one
[21:02] I find it really hard to say without… yeah, I don't
[21:09] if it's a straw pole, do I get to weigh in or not? Because I don't get to vote.
[21:14] yeah.
[21:15] okay. Are you voting or wanting to talk?
[21:23] well, you asked if it was a straw poll. I was mostly being facetious, but I get to talk, but I don't get to vote, so I wasn't sure how that fell out on a straw poll. But I think I already said what I was going to say, so that's fine.
[21:39] anybody else saying yay or nay or good nay. So when I go back to these notes, is this going to be the number one? No, no, no. In this list. Oh, this is number one
[22:01] does anybody prefer this one more than any others
[22:05] as I said, I only prefer it for readability. I kind of agree with something I overheard said, like it reminded was it you, joshua? Does it remind you of a brewery? Yeah, I mean, it's very sort of corporate, which is why I was kind of stuck on like, could you take the first one and the second one and make some idea of
[22:24] readably artsy.
[22:31] that's how I read. That's the same problem with, like, baldwin. Number three being the,
[22:48] the art museum. I'm over this one out of all three options.
[22:58] yeah. So 1, 2, 3, 4.
[23:07] and
[23:10] peter, can you scroll down to the colors again? Hmm.
[23:18] this would be my second choice.
[23:21] okay.
[23:23] I know, it really… I don't know, I'm just going on.
[23:34] you know, ultimately, it's not really up to us, it's up to commission or the council they they kind of we belong to them, so it's probably more libby's vote than anyone's
[23:44] I don't think, yeah, most of us
[23:46] but not… not in this forum. I would say that my role here is to be listening and then helping sort of clarify if council has questions when the commission, the arts commission makes a recommendation to council
[24:01] recommendation, right.
[24:02] so… so yeah, I think… I think that it's pretty useful to have a sort of a sense of the group
[24:10] would it be appropriate for us to then entertain a motion
[24:14] 7 options 1, 3, and 4 being a rework currently back to the artist asking for more readability
[24:26] a modernization of number 4 and
[24:30] if there is
[24:31] happy with this one.
[24:34] I heard from the straw poll that there was sort of a pretty strong meaning to this last one. So I guess I'd prefer to go back just to the designer and say like, hey, take this one and maybe you know the j, the t is freaking people out like some other options
[24:54] and can you take the original load? That's what that can bring those 2 options back as opposed to bringing all 4 back. I think 2 is out. Yeah.
[25:04] so I'm sorry, I was voting for number one as long as it's more readable. But
[25:12] is the designer local? Yeah, cool. Her name's anna.
[25:20] okay, is there a motion that someone would like to make to send a message back to the designer on these?
[25:30] I'm also happy to do that, what was just discussed without emotion. I'm not sure I was going to ask if a motion. What we talked about. Yes. So the other piece of the other thing, and I don't want to go over this in detail, but it came up in our last meeting, which was this that melody brought up this cultural access
[25:52] program that washington state has, and then I put together some materials and brought them to the
[25:59] culture and society culture and society that doesn't sound right. Is that right with me?
[26:06] the council and society. Anyway, I brought it to one of the council committees on, you know, livia's suggestion, and we sort of talked about it. It's a state program that institutes a local sales or property tax to support
[26:24] nonprofits, arts and culture nonprofits and the information is in your packet and we can talk about it more at the future date. I just thought, like, I wanted you all to see what I had brought to this other committee and also follow up since we discussed it. People had some time to spend with it and have any questions, I'm happy to answer them now.
[26:46] my question is, well, this is cool, and if I'm reading this correctly, we can just impose a sales or property tax without the county commission or the city council could. Yeah, well, I'm sorry. Given the response to recent
[27:05] even tax increases that have been requested, if not demanded
[27:12] I mean, is that something we want to do? There's no timeline on this. It's not. This isn't like suggested. This isn't put out there as being like, let's take action. I know, I know, I just that was a real concern of mine, and I don't know if libby has any
[27:29] insight into that is
[27:31] the pushback would be against the council. I mean, I think that always, I mean
[27:38] well, you can still… you can take it to a public voter referendum. It does not have to be inactive councilmanically, which means just by an act of the elected officials and it could be
[27:52] I don't know how people would react to it. I mean, there's interesting things, right? Which is that people are like, no taxes, but then I voted overwhelmingly in favor of things like the school bond, and overwhelmingly in favor of things like parks and rec. And so I guess I feel like there's potentially the idea that something that serves the entire
[28:09] county or the entire community like this could actually have support because people, I think, recognize especially the incredible impact that our nonprofits have on this community. It's like way outsized, you know, from other places. So I'm not saying this is like a slam dunk or anything like that, but I'm
[28:30] would
[28:31] just saying, I think the conversation is worth having. So yeah, I think
[28:32] would we take this to
[28:35] well, would it go back to council or would it I mean, I guess it probably would go back to council, but my thought is that council would probably ask culture and society, which is a council subcommittee, to kind of dig into it for, you know, looking at
[28:51] other programs, similar programs in other cities and how those were rolled out. And I get that it's a councilmanic
[29:00] decision, but it's also thinking about the timing and
[29:04] what is what these programs are, or is this something that arts commission wants to take on as a little bit more
[29:11] fully formed before we hand it back to council, I guess those are the 2 options that I would see.
[29:17] well, the thing about it is that, well, first of all, the county has to pass off before the city can even take it up. So I don't know that it actually belongs to the arts commission or to city council at this point. I think it's more just an awareness situation of being like
[29:30] oh, so the county, the city can't pass it separate from the county. One has to be a subset of the other
[29:37] no, but the county has to pass on it first before the city pass it independently.
[29:43] interesting. Okay.
[29:46] so that's how… that's how it's set up, is that… you can say it, the city can say, like, hey, we're planning on doing this county, do you want to do it? They have to say, no, we don't want to, and then the city could.
[29:57] so yeah, there's five of these in the state that have been passed by different communities in different ways. Some councilmanically, some through public votes. And, you know, it just
[30:12] it would, what?
[30:15] 300,000 to a million. I don't whatever that is, it would be 25 times as much funding for arts and culture, public funding for arts and culture than is currently available in in jefferson county. So it's just an interesting thing to know about as people who
[30:31] if you're in this room, I assume you care about the arts and want to see it. Yeah. When you presented this to the
[30:37] culture and society. Culture and society. What was their response? They said, yes, let's order this. So that committee is libby and mayor howard, amy howard and amy howard asked for it to be put into the city work plan for 2027, so that it could be explored by basically, like, convening various stakeholders and figuring out if it was something that there's
[30:58] community we could insource community buy-in for something like this, and then thinking about like, what next should be. So there is
[31:07] most likely
[31:10] council level movement on discussion on this in 2027. In that it was requested to be added to the work plan. I think that that means that the council has some like consideration of it in terms of like decisions they're making. Is that correct, libby
[31:31] yes.
[31:37] sorry, that was nested a couple levels deep, and I want to make sure that I'm answering your question correctly. Can you restate the question?
[31:45] well, we're a cultural society
[31:48] mayor howard asked if exploring this program could be added to the city miller plan for 2027.
[31:54] right. And I was on that meeting. I remember that.
[31:58] and so, currently, that's sort of where it exists in the city
[32:04] so what's the ask of the arts commission right now? Is it just sort of a broad sense of the arts commission
[32:11] is supportive of exploring this further.
[32:18] okay.
[32:19] no ask. I just wanted to bring this information back to the arts commission because culture and society. It felt like weird like not bring it back here after melanie brought it up as a subject.
[32:26] right. Yeah. And I think I was momentarily confused because I was like, didn't we already talk about this? But what I was realizing, it was at the culture and society, it wasn't an arts commission that we were talking about it
[32:37] you know, I guess my feeling
[32:51] yeah.
[32:52] speaking personally, but not for the commission is if this is part of the work plan, I would think the arts commission should be one of the stakeholders to be part of that discussion, and you know, yes, can we go on record and say
[33:01] right.
[33:02] we want to be part of that discussion if this moves forward. Yeah, yeah, and I think that that
[33:04] I think that would
[33:09] be what I would want, because there was one thing that I just had kind of a question slash concern is that this also covers science and we
[33:19] you know, that's not necessarily this body's expert of expertise of science education or science related programs. So should we participate in this at a city level? That would make more sense to me than if it was just at a commission level.
[33:35] right. Well, and if this program were to be enacted countywide or citywide, there would
[33:42] like that the
[33:45] funding mechanism would not probably fall under the arts commission. This wouldn't like get added to arts commission grants or whatever. It would be like a whole different thing, because it is much more
[33:55] it includes
[33:58] science heritage and culture and arts, and so like one of the places who have done this in other… the other
[34:05] communities that have done this have set up a, you know, a separate body that administers the program.
[34:11] so it would, you know what I mean, so I think… yeah, that makes sense. If, as this moves forward, is just trying to educate the community generally about this opportunity to bring this kind of funding into our
[34:26] you know, into these organizations that do so much for our community and our kid children in particular. And you know that if
[34:38] the arts commissioners were interested in sort of being part of that educational experience, learning more about this, as ambassadors, answering people's questions and like trying to, you know, learn alongside other people who think this is a good idea
[34:56] to be able to talk to with their networks and stuff like that and maybe present about it in when appropriate. You know, it would take… there's a lot of steps to this, right? It's sort of like getting all the school districts on board, getting all, you know, there's a lot of getting all the various, like.
[35:11] community leaders involved and and you know other sort of economic development drivers, because that's really what it is at the end of the day. It's like ways to like kind of keep money. It's ways to, like, circulate money within our community and like
[35:23] make more opportunities and bring more activity. So
[35:28] unless anybody would like to. Act differently, I would suggest we just have the meeting minutes reflect that we would like to be part of this discussion.
[35:40] and that kept communicated to city council, which hopefully it has been through living.
[35:48] yeah, and I mean, reading the rcw on this
[35:53] there is a piece that has to go through the county first, too.
[35:59] I just want people to know about this program because I talk to people about it mostly because I talk to people about it and they're like, I don't know what it is. Yeah, so I think the more people to know about it and know that it's an opportunity for our community, the better.
[36:13] now you guys know. I'm going to scroll through it really quick. Okay. And down really just super duper, maybe people have this is across y'all's radar already, but wanted to mention this performances for the people series that the creative district has started
[36:29] which is based on the
[36:32] performances that happened here in city hall during sound check. So the idea is to do those like regularly, like three times a year or so, and there's one coming up on october 3rd looking for performers if anyone has anyone they'd like to pass this along to or recommend on the creative district website
[36:49] $200 stipend, 35-minute performance. It'll be during it'll be right after kinetic
[36:54] sculptures will be kind of cool. It's mostly designed for like
[36:58] you know, acoustic solo acts or duos, like, or poetry, you know, literary readings. I think it'd be cool to get some, you know.
[37:09] like a magician or like a comedian or something, you know, just various different kinds of solo or small group performance art to happen here in city council chambers, it feels really good, it's really fun.
[37:21] that's a two-hour window for a 35-minute… to react we have one so far, but october 2 more.
[37:35] and you know, and then the other ones are, we have more time to
[37:39] getting ready for us. Who would we connect folks to if we know if there's a there's like a sort of a really simple application on the creative district website. You go to the news and events section. All right
[37:53] I just found it really depends. Yeah.
[37:59] yeah, I don't know if people were like anyone made it during that soundcheck performance. We had like two, you know, guitar and singer-songwriter kind of people, and then the
[38:10] port townsend youth theater did, like, an improv situation, which was really fun, and then,
[38:15] similar idea.
[38:22] and we were the empty
[38:26] and it was great. Anything else? That is all.
[38:33] moving on, any old business
[38:38] which leads into new business of the grant funding.
[38:44] again, we don't have still working on finding the process for this. Do we want to start with
[38:53] the overall
[38:56] tally of scoring. Okay. I guess, perhaps
[39:08] why don't we begin this conversation with the last
[39:14] 5 applicants. And by the way, I would say I did change my
[39:20] scoring and funding for this recommendation for that. So I did not
[39:27] continue with a $500 record anyway. Yes, questions were raised about the last 5. There's
[39:37] north wind arch doesn't seem to know about them. They're not on their website. The first one, dwayne denning, which was the
[39:49] he says he'll do this with the port townsend library.
[39:55] they don't know about it, it's not on their website. I noticed just by random happenstance
[40:03] number 9 and number 12, I believe, oh, well, maybe it's just a similar piece. No, I'm pretty sure it's the same. Yeah, and even the language in their applications was… I don't
[40:19] I'll use the same chat gpt. Yeah, I think that this is an ai scam. And I was confused for a moment that I was wrong, because
[40:35] they had a couple of these artists had, like, two of them received $10,000 grants from
[40:41] the… from for culture. And one of them had received a $2,500 grant from creative west, which is like a nea subsidiary. But I'm pretty sure that that just means they're good at doing ai scams like I'm pretty sure I think this one person
[40:57] I don't know. Anyway, I'd like to say like I sent you guys also the things they sent back about like when they were asked for more information. Yeah, it's all very or it's like it's very, very like put through some kind of like
[41:13] ai language, you know, like, write something about
[41:17] basketry yeah so and I called and tried to follow up and didn't hear anything back from any of them, and none of them have websites or any web presence anywhere that I can find. I would make a motion. We just take them out of consideration. I don't know if that's a motion thing, or if it's just
[41:36] yes, that's true, but… yeah, I did not mind, just so that we can clean up the conversation going forward and take them out. That does change. Are there any real addresses?
[41:53] they're all in like concrete towns. Yeah.
[42:12] the mailing address is in the middle of a field.
[42:17] mailing address is in the middle of a field in duval
[42:22] now, maybe it's the farm across the street or something, but it's a little weird
[42:29] yeah. So is there a motion? Make a motion to take the out of town applicants out because we do believe that they are not real applicants. Okay. We do believe
[42:46] is there a second?
[42:48] I'll second.
[42:53] discussion.
[42:56] it's crazy. That's gotta be a first, right? Kind of smart. Yeah, I think it was like fun though. They kind of like played culture card pretty hard.
[43:19] I'd like to think with the workshop, the meeting workshop. Why doesn't the library know anything. There is a motion that has been seconded
[43:41] eliminate and not consider the applications from dwayne denning, adam raymond
[43:50] downward
[43:53] see, chris adams, warren john raven, crystal d. Rupert. All in favor?
[44:01] okay, well, that makes our discussion best.
[44:08] so then we have
[44:12] and I didn't really compare these. Are we
[44:17] reasonably, no, we're not reasonably.
[44:22] close on these considerations. I think we are with with keeping the
[44:29] yeah, I think that's generally first or second score followed by
[44:37] jennifer
[44:42] yeah.
[44:46] full disclosure, you can see my notes. Those little girls just like that that got me. Perfect visual image. It's so enthusiastic. I kept, you know losing track of the performance so those two seem to be
[45:16] you know well
[45:19] supported by all of us. I think we have different
[45:26] different levels for those
[45:33] then we go down to amber jones, which is that's
[45:43] you know, I will admit I at first was like kind of lukewarm about kinetics, but it is such a great community event and
[45:52] it is kinetic art. It is the first thing that I've discovered here in this town 302 years ago. Yeah. Like, what is this?
[46:08] luke is artistic. Yeah.
[46:14] yeah.
[46:17] so there wasn't, we seem to be a little more spread across the board with the
[46:25] empty bull press
[46:28] thoughts, comments.
[46:34] well, I think it, you know, there's some things where it doesn't meet
[46:39] as much of the criteria as other organizations, I still would support funding them. I think it's a good
[46:49] good project personally.
[46:53] it probably, you know, it didn't score as high for me, because it just didn't fall into those areas. I don't know, it was an interesting thing of, like, I still think it should get funded, but it just doesn't have quite the… make the reach, or
[47:06] is it youth focus, you know, there wasn't as much of that, so I don't know what is
[47:12] kind of the same place that
[47:18] you know, I think I put them down for a nominal amount of funding because there was some value to their project.
[47:26] but not as high as some of the other ones that I
[47:29] I think I really like the aspect of preserving the literary history
[47:39] but yeah, you know, the youth are the youth. It wasn't but I mean, also does that mean that it shouldn't get funded? You know, not everything is going to be granted by the film festival
[47:56] that was scored very highly on top five actually
[48:06] okay.
[48:08] I mean, you know, my only feeling, and I did
[48:13] suggest, again, a nominal memory.
[48:16] it is a big well-funded operation. They were in the negative. I've been on their boards, and there's not always as much money as you think. You know, I think that's one of those
[48:32] one of those places where, if we're not there, we're kind of are we conspicuous by not being listed
[48:42] well, they did specify it was for the free outdoor movie. Yeah. Which a lot of locals they usually have the kids. They are kids.
[48:56] stand and deliver cocoa and la bamba. Because they're all highlighting latino music as well with los lobos in town.
[49:11] yeah
[49:12] let's see.
[49:13] that has impact, you know it's one of those things of port townsend. Yeah, right. Yeah, I guess I considered it the cultural value of the movies for free, and also the fact that they're spotlighting, you know, latino music for sure working at
[49:41] kptz, I know how listeners react when we do, you know, heavy like spanish language programming. And so I feel like there's a hunger for that here in port townsend that, you know, I like the idea that they're going to try
[49:56] yeah.
[49:59] we get enough blues stuff here. Okay. Can you come out to play?
[50:13] number four
[50:16] it's a little unclear on how that was offering. Definitely like heart strings activated, but like no idea what they really do. Yeah. Also, like, it's kind of like where
[50:32] do they do it? Is that for a whole year. And also, like, $1,400 worth of snacks is, like, they love snacks. It was like they wanted, like, $1,400 for snacks and water, and then they wanted, like, $100 for supplies. What's with the like 14 times stack my comment who's running the books
[51:01] if they have 52 performances once a week. To me, it just felt more like
[51:10] art therapy thing. Art, which is this? Okay, and what should be sorry, that's my art therapist background. Art therapy is critical, and I think it's a great approach.
[51:25] is that what we're here to fund? Yes. Okay. Well, I would say that the those things go hand in hand as an artist and as a therapist
[51:36] but I agree. So is there I guess where I scored this down was on artistic merit.
[51:47] because
[51:49] that's where we made that comment. Yeah, that's what… how do we define that one? And
[51:59] yeah, I mean
[52:01] we don't really like we can't see it's not as but does that mean
[52:09] I don't think the arts commission needs to be high-brow, does it? It's okay to find the things that are… I don't mean to suggest that we can be highbrow. Again, I'm not trying to… I'm just going to shut up. I'll say that my group came out to the
[52:29] uptown street fair and made sock puppets. I don't know if any of you guys saw them. Children love them. So just, like, in terms of what they do, that's when I saw them. But yes, I mean, every other day funded.
[52:45] thing about snacks and stuff, it's more just, like, kidding around, but, like, I definitely voted to responded. I just thought the application was, like, super confusing.
[52:54] but maybe that's just, you know what are the group's deal? Not really good at applications. Yeah, but I thought it was maybe just a farm tour thing at first. I thought I was just doing it for the farm tour because
[53:09] it's all year long, I guess.
[53:19] I'm gonna have to vote to not fund this at all. That's what I did. I just, like, it's the same problem I had the last round where they applied, where they're like, I want you to pay for materials to make my hippie bus, like, more awesome, and now it's like, I want you to, like.
[53:35] put money in a pot so we can, like, jam and give it away. It's just kind of like, I don't know. That's not what they asked for funding for. I thought that's what it was for. That was to pay the… to pay the house manager. Oh, okay. Yeah. I thought it went into the, that was like
[53:54] that's how the money is gonna get collected there. And I also… I supported it because it is a new menu
[54:05] yeah, I support it because it was for the new venue and I, you know, I
[54:15] I felt like laura listened to what we said at the last one and kind of thought about how to present a request
[54:21] the fit, how our funding works rather than asking like you say to invest in her bus or her own, you know, individual
[54:32] it's a free event, right? I mean, it would be like by donation, yeah. So, I mean, it does provide opportunity for
[54:45] some folks to have specific bands ready lined up? She had a house band that was gonna
[54:59] and then it was kind of like an open mic sort of thing. It's like jonas byers and connor forsyth and her, yeah, I think it's those three. Let's support new artists or artists… they're not new artists
[55:16] right. Jam with them. Yep. And I don't think thomas prairie charges them
[55:32] to use the venue, because they have those first sundays and so I guess it was just for paying for their staff. Yeah.
[55:46] yeah, because what camus is trying to do, you know, they've done those summer outside things with djs, you know, I've done one of those, but they're trying to do stuff during the winter that still brings
[55:58] people into their restaurant space, and if it's nice, they'll open the doors and have it, you know, in and out, and if it's not, it'll be indoors.
[56:09] I know a little bit about what camas park is trying to do. So it's at a restaurant that's also going to be selling
[56:17] I guess so. I mean, I've not been to coyote and crow, so I don't know the whole affair. I don't know the whole yeah well in the past they've still had little, well, they would sell hamburgers or hot dogs, but that's an outdoor event, and that's the only money that they would make from it. They didn't charge for like a rental of the facility or the
[56:42] stage or anything. So I don't think they make a lot of money on it, especially I don't know if this will be a big eating crowd that would come to this. I don't know.
[56:55] it's a private business though.
[56:58] it's not, it's a nonprofit public golf course
[57:03] yeah, and well, it's also the camas prairie foundation also. And that I guess encompasses the golf course. That's still owned by the city. Yeah, it's owned by the city, and the city has a contract with a nonprofit called friends of the kansas perry golf cart
[57:20] and they raise money to support the park, they do all the programming
[57:26] just like the same as like you have the friends at the library or something, which is like a separate nonprofit. No, I think they just make money
[57:43] off of selling concessions, basically drinks. I don't know how they can do it inside, because I read this was outside. Well, I don't… just the next summer. Not only is outside. No, I thought this was happening soon. Yeah, that's true. I think the plan was outdoors
[58:07] yeah. Weather didn't permit, and then they would move it indoors rather than cancel out. Indoors? I don't know, maybe, 60 or so, but then you're not… that's without pianos and dramas and stuff. Right
[58:24] I like giving money to musicians.
[58:31] yeah, I didn't vote to fully fund it. Yeah, or I didn't suggest to fully fund it. It didn't suggest fully funding it, but I did. I actually did, but it's only $900. Yeah
[58:47] yeah, I think I said 400. Yeah, I think that friends of camas prairie pay the bands that do those first sunday things. So I don't know why
[58:59] it's a different kind of event. I don't know. It's also it's not
[59:06] not allowed for a venue to profit off of. Wait, wait. Yeah. I mean, we do things at colson and things like they sell beverages, food. Okay, the camas prairie park is creating a new venue that
[59:22] for our performance space. We are exploring various venue options
[59:27] that was it. So I guess it wasn't as specific as I thought. Yeah, because I voted for 500, thinking three musicians, 150 each and another 50 for incidental expenses that could come up as a result of
[59:42] I think they're looking at that building right next to the maybe that's what they're thinking about using. Oh, so maybe it's not the restaurant building, but a different building. That might make more sense than me. Yeah, they're going to tear it down, so they're
[59:59] I'm not sure, that's just speculation makes so much difference. Okay.
[1:00:09] so I think we have probably enough funding to do something with all of these
[1:00:18] if we want to
[1:00:22] you know, starting with the top 2. You know, personally, I said to give you their full request
[1:00:34] you know, I think that's an incredible educational program. It's very much oriented.
[1:00:40] it doesn't have a lot of cultural diversity to it
[1:00:44] but I really like the function of putting in schools. That's my piece.
[1:00:51] I noticed that, you know, there weren't olive bull
[1:00:56] a couple of full funding votes
[1:00:59] and then we dropped off from there. So
[1:01:05] thoughts
[1:01:08] was that $2,500 then? Well, I liked that she was going to do pre-teaching by hand. She's going to hand up booklets to the teachers ahead of time, and pre-teaching makes them valuable.
[1:01:27] I'll just start with some ideas, you know what I mean? Like, if people want to throw out numbers for different thing here right now so we can like do the math
[1:01:37] so, like, you know, if that people have other suggestions for other things, we can just see how it shakes out. Does anybody want to throw out a number? We have the wait. I guess I could just pull it up. Let me see what the now that I like was funding for scams totally changes like
[1:01:56] I'd like more money to spend. Maybe I could be less jaded about the like, now that we have the whole camp thing, it's like, I know all these other people are real. It makes it, like, that just little bit of extra, like, well, they're real people who took real time
[1:02:16] I had. Yeah, right? So like, I added it up as down here at the bottom, and you can see and like out of sort of all of the if you added up averaged everything like the scammy ones like we had, you know, you at
[1:02:32] 1,075, the overall pot, you know what I mean? Which is, you know, several people were like, no, didn't put anything in. I think, like, this is whatever, odd or out of town, or whatever, and then the rest of them
[1:02:47] not that way, so
[1:02:49] I mean, I think looking at the kind of averages is a great starting point because that kind of takes everybody's variances into consideration.
[1:03:04] yeah. The average is we get, yes, so if we add, you have another $1,000 to like increase the ones that feel like maybe they should be increased or whatever, that's one way to look at it as well. There's different ways, you know what I mean
[1:03:24] if you take the average and augment them. Is there a way to increase the zoom in on that a little bit. Sorry. But there is. Yeah, I mean, I would say like maybe based on how we all feel about
[1:03:40] finia and the haja da vinci may be
[1:03:45] bringing that up a little bit
[1:03:47] yeah, that's another option is you can do all the averages, and then the one that scored number one, you could fully fund. You know what I mean? Like, there's… well, like, also on the averages
[1:04:02] she's right, because if you fully funded
[1:04:06] the finnia
[1:04:09] you still have like 100 and something dollars that you could you know bring the 475 up to 500, maybe the 725 to 750. You know, maybe take out the change and round those up to 850 and like
[1:04:24] you know, but yeah, I'm back a little bit of like who's who.
[1:04:33] well, let's see here.
[1:05:00] I would really like to fully fund the pibia production.
[1:05:04] I'm so grateful that she applied again.
[1:05:09] and that was a little more thorough. That's what, you know, that's what that looks like with the average intent plus
[1:05:19] so for number one being bullied. Okay. And that gives us another 126
[1:05:26] bring up like those weird odd ones and the
[1:05:30] so if you bring up that one to a thousand. Yeah, and then we do 850.
[1:05:41] we're still $100
[1:05:44] the top one is amber jones. Yeah, the kinetics.
[1:05:50] not that it has to be that, just I'm trying to round out numbers right now. Yeah, we're talking ballet, the 1200? Yeah, I want to give them 13.
[1:05:59] theirs was 3250, so still not even close. It's only like a third or so of what they're asking for.
[1:06:09] they're not making money either, but a much larger budget than I realized. You know, to be honest, I didn't even know they existed, so I'm, like, really glad that I… that they applied, so I could learn
[1:06:25] they are there, and so money for them to help them with awareness would be fantastic. The only reason their budget is that high. They, I mean, just the like, yeah, for this particular, you know, for the I bring this up only because it's one of my pet peeves
[1:06:46] you know, we did sleeping beauty at the high school. They were coming in literally as we were leaving the auditorium to tear it down.
[1:06:56] so there is… they lost a major performance space there. The only other venue in town of classical ballet is the wheeler, and it's not cheap. Yeah. So, you know, I think
[1:07:07] again, it the needs for venue. And the fact that they're stuck with dealing with internal relegated to centrum and fort warden. 1850 and 2500 kd, I think the next two. Yeah
[1:07:27] yeah.
[1:07:34] okay. Personally, I've put more toward the ballet
[1:07:41] I would be okay with that too. Yeah. Valley versus like a fan of
[1:07:51] you come out to play. Yeah, therapy is important and
[1:07:57] I hit those columns.
[1:08:02] but also, what is it we don't know exactly what that manifests as in some of these we know the impact it has on the community, and that is strong you know I think that
[1:08:21] so you're thinking less for that one, and more for something else? Is that what your thought was, or just… oh, just okay with the 100 going we have plenty of time to discuss. On the
[1:08:38] can you come out to play application. So it is going to start in october and last for a year. So most of it will happen july 27.
[1:08:53] they were putting the money toward but the rules say they would have to spend it and get 26. And what is the amount which which column are they? I'm sorry. Oh, wait, wait. Sorry, I
[1:09:08] that's number 5.
[1:09:12] wait, no. Okay, thank you. Okay, so then the
[1:09:22] that, I mean, does that seem
[1:09:25] reason, like a reasonable amount that
[1:09:29] could be, you know, 2026, I mean
[1:09:34] were they gonna do it even if they weren't funded? Yes, I think so.
[1:09:42] I'll say that they would like. We're glad to present if they were given the chance. Yeah.
[1:09:58] hello, this is my artist's name
[1:10:08] after the meeting, I have a terrifying story about ai in argentina. Terrifying
[1:10:29] we'll see your numbers actually line up with your ratings. Right, because almost the averages. Yeah, let's just keep it like that. Yeah, yeah, I like it. I think we did a good job that way.
[1:10:43] it's equitable. Yeah. Are fully funding one thing. Yeah.
[1:10:48] I think the having the matrix actually really helped with sort of walking through that. I would have doing it as a spreadsheet was helpful.
[1:10:59] yes. I don't know if that's a legacy of alexis, but that's a great legacy. Well, I mean, she was definitely a big fan of the rubric, but I've been trying to make sure. It's great. There's still things
[1:11:14] even if it's just sort of an aid to help you sort of do a first sort on your thinking and then kind of dig in farther, it was helpful.
[1:11:24] yes, absolutely. So
[1:11:34] well, I grew up down completely with okay, so this is weird. In the application for
[1:11:45] you come out to play. The date range for the project is october 24th, 26th through october 22nd, 27
[1:11:55] and then in the budget
[1:12:01] says august 20th, 26th through october 19, 27. I wonder if you screwed up the dates. I think they were using some kind of software here to put this together. This is like an invoice, and I think that's the estimated date… the estimate date is the date they put this
[1:12:18] they submitted this, right? That's the due date. And
[1:12:23] I don't know what she's 2026 is about. I think that's just, like, 30 days out or whatever, you know what I mean? Yeah.
[1:12:32] but again, it would raise the question of
[1:12:38] you know, are these expenses for this year? Right. And how much, if not all of it, how much
[1:12:46] I would feel very comfortable
[1:12:49] risking that. How much are we 725. Yeah, right, and the budget was that would be like a quarter less than a quarter of the budget. And so if it covers a quarter of expenses like they
[1:13:05] if the application reflects, like, what the performative nature of their group is like, like, it seems like it makes sense that the application is kind of, like, built with holes and stuff, but I still think I'm actually, like, pro-funding this.
[1:13:21] yeah, I agree. Because I think that, you know, I think that what they did poorly with the application, they probably… sounds like they did really well at the puppet show, so let's go. I like the idea of listening to plants sing
[1:13:36] yeah, I mean, I like a lot of them. Really? Yeah. You get a lot of snacks for 17. And go to the outlet.
[1:13:54] it is interesting, yeah, $1,400 for snacks, $150 for ours. That's what I'm saying. It says that they're gonna give us who donated. Oh, cool. Yeah, except for glue sticks, they need a lot of glue
[1:14:10] no, I know.
[1:14:26] I like every… I mean, I'm advocating for my own personal opinion, not appropriate chair, but would we be willing to reduce number 5 or yeah, number 5
[1:14:42] slightly. Where would you allocate that to?
[1:14:47] which is… which number? Okay. You're talking about reducing to 725. Yeah, say 500.
[1:15:04] I think 725 is
[1:15:07] I like, yeah, I like the social engagement part of this. So I understand the value of the ballet. But ballet is, you know, observing and
[1:15:24] things where you can get tactile and engage in them are also good, so this gives us that balance. The application that is getting like most close to what it asked for and is below the ballet is kinetic
[1:15:39] we're talking about just like, if you know what I mean like most of these are getting quite a bit less on there. Yeah, so that might be quite, you know, and it's not rated as highly. So there's other things to look at if you guys want to look at.
[1:15:54] yeah, that's a good point. Look at all the numbers compared to what the asks were and consider it from that standpoint.
[1:16:06] I mean, we sometimes ask to be, you know, out of line, so it's not the only criteria to look at, but… and they're not always
[1:16:16] I can remember it was helping out families with costumes and
[1:16:29] it's important, those things are expensive.
[1:16:34] yeah.
[1:16:35] so does the kinetic their budget was
[1:16:41] pretty
[1:16:49] yeah, they're just asking for money towards the actual
[1:16:54] like if I recall, it was the
[1:16:58] the fall that they do smoke or mark, and the kitties. Yes, that's right, the kids, they
[1:17:03] yeah, the maker's table for kids. Yep.
[1:17:09] for the kids
[1:17:11] which is cool. That's right. Yeah, because last year they were making
[1:17:18] you know, little kinetic vehicles that they were
[1:17:24] rolling around the robotics team was there doing demos of robotics and stuff. From the high school
[1:17:31] the connect does draw a lot of low income.
[1:17:36] folks from around the area.
[1:17:38] I love it. That's how I, like I said, it's how I end up now. That's what fort townsend is to me. We were on our way back from a backpacking trip and decided to check out port townsend, and it was kinetic sculpture. I was like
[1:17:57] I don't know, I feel pretty comfortable with this.
[1:18:07] this right here, I don't know how our other people feel. I mean go one place? I mean
[1:18:17] I feel pretty comfortable. I feel really comfortable with it.
[1:18:22] yeah, I'm good. I really like that it's like a sort of like near our voting averages too. That feels like really like fair. Yeah, yeah. Again, I would advocate for more weight, but I guess I should also qualify that
[1:18:38] my nose is where would you take it from
[1:18:43] I don't think I have a really good answer for that.
[1:18:50] when we discussed grants, what was the maximum amount that we
[1:18:55] I think we said 35… do we go 25 comes to mind. I feel like the largest grant we've ever given. No, we're just talking about making a like the grants committee
[1:19:07] it was a recommendation of the future, more specific rate. It's really hard when they ask for like stuff that's like half or more of our budget. It's really tough to, like, want to fund them. Yeah, so I think the discussion was to say, like, specifically, I think that's really smart. Yeah, because also like to to not like fault the applicant, too, because like, maybe that isn't clear to them in any way. So they're like
[1:19:35] well, here's what I need and want, you know, and that's fair, but it's just on our end, it's tough. Well, it is, yeah. But right now, it doesn't say that, because we've just discussed it as a recommendation.
[1:19:46] yeah, but that was, yeah, discussion. So that, yeah, it would be nice, right, if it wasn't like
[1:19:53] a $4,000 ask it here. Yeah, make sure it doesn't make it out, right?
[1:20:03] so our second right application.
[1:20:09] you're proposing
[1:20:12] less than half of the request. Our third ranked application we are proposing
[1:20:21] two-thirds of request
[1:20:26] your lower team
[1:20:30] one, you've actually given almost half the 60.
[1:20:35] I'll give a little more to have in 6
[1:20:42] it's confusing, because, like, you know, half of 900 is 400, and half of 600 is 3,000. The top tier. So then, doug, are you saying, like, maybe you take 250 from that
[1:21:00] top one to your funding, 750 or half of their request.
[1:21:05] and move 250 down into
[1:21:09] giving them 1550 which is not quite half their request, but closer to half. Yeah, that like along what you're what I'm saying. Yeah, lonnie, you're
[1:21:24] smaller. Like, if you're looking at your numbers and how everybody voted for each one, I would say, like, okay, well, we've got to take it from the bottom, because those two we kind of didn't like as much as everybody else, but at one point, so the
[1:21:41] okay, so just forgot about dan.
[1:21:48] oh, did I get called on? Okay. Hey, so we should be careful focusing on what the ask is, like, and then talking about half. I mean, I don't place a lot of emphasis on that number, because people, if they're tuning into this one, they're gonna say, oh
[1:22:01] like, if they only needed 900 and asked for 900, and then they're watching this video and they see, wow, okay, I should have asked for more, because so I'd get half, I'm gonna ask for $1,800 next time. We really should be looking at… it's that formula of how many people attend, get a few extra points for youth. I like the intergenerational stuff
[1:22:22] how many attendees, how many days, you know, one-day event versus something that's gonna be six days over 6 months. I mean, that speaks to me more than just giving them half of their ask. Then again, we should also look at the if the program will still go forward with partial funding
[1:22:39] you know, there's so many factors to consider, but you should be careful with just talking about trying to target half just because it's half.
[1:22:48] yeah.
[1:22:49] I wasn't, like, bringing because I'm looking for
[1:22:54] justification for giving more of the ballet. It's youth focused, it's intergenerational, it's very much a community event. All the things you just said, I think it it
[1:23:07] it meets those criteria as well or better than any of the others. I think we could take a couple hundred dollars from fema, and she'd still be
[1:23:16] getting 2,300
[1:23:18] john and my team ballet.
[1:23:21] can I weigh in here too that I think I want to build on what dan was saying because I had a pretty similar point is that in some ways the looking at half or the looking at you're sort of penalizing people who have modest asks, not just, oh, I should have asked for more because, you
[1:23:39] but that it's like, if the scope of your project is relatively defined and you don't need a huge ask, you're in some ways you're downrating it for that. And that doesn't seem like what you want to be doing. You kind of want to do the opposite.
[1:23:53] exactly what I meant, yep.
[1:23:55] yeah.
[1:23:56] on the other hand isn't
[1:24:00] it gives us the percentage of requests indication of our support.
[1:24:05] well, I think if we look back at the averages, that's really where to kind of make these decisions, honestly, because if you look at these averages, they're like quite close to this decision. And so on some level, like that feels like I think the averages are based on scoring
[1:24:22] the scoring is based on the criteria dan's talking about. So I guess when you do start talking about it outside of that criteria, like, it
[1:24:32] because the scoring also includes some of the… and some of how I think we all think about allocating is those things. Right, exactly. Community? Is it, you know, or family and less individual oriented or yeah
[1:24:48] I mean, going further in the future, we'll talk about this a lot in december, I think, and bring a lot of recommendations to try to make this process, like, as fair and make as much sense as possible for the grantees and for ptac. But I think there's something… I do… I think there's something nice about using this rubric
[1:25:05] and then trying to fully fund number one
[1:25:09] grant, I mean, that has, like, some merit behind it to me in a way. I think it's important to fully fund anything. Yeah, yeah, I don't. It's like it's not an award. Anyway, it's not like, oh, you're great. It's like
[1:25:25] we want to support you. Yeah, that's totally valid. Yeah, I wonder about the, I mean, you know, just thinking about taking a couple hundred and putting it, plugging it to the ballet. I mean
[1:25:37] you know, it's not like, can they afford to do that?
[1:25:44] it's working off a budget, but maybe that would be a place to I think that's a fair thought. Yeah, I think it kind of reflects like the sort of like confidence in that application too, because it seems like that person is like performed at a
[1:26:00] level where they have, like, financial expectations and a budget, probably a lot more than a lot of the other applications, so I feel like it's, like, easy to respond to that in that application. Like, they're kind of confidence in knowing what they want for what they have planned
[1:26:17] yeah, I actually am with the idea that
[1:26:21] it's not important to fully fund that just because they say, like, this is what I need. And that is the one we voted for the most highly
[1:26:31] yeah, I mean, there's
[1:26:32] if fina gets anything over 2,000, I think she'll be quite pleased, and she won't be the least bit surprised if it's just slightly shy of the ask, because, you know, we've had responses before that have been quite shy of the ask.
[1:26:44] still a strong signal of support. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean 200, like 2300 stuff. Yeah. It's interesting though because I think what's really interesting is if I think we hadn't had those applications that had to get
[1:26:58] like, the numbers, I think, would probably be almost, like, just right from the beginning, but the fact that there's that extra thousand dollars to distribute is, like, changed the whole thing, which is really fascinating. I think that that could be, you know, maybe next time we do this
[1:27:13] and just be like, oh, great, we're done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that kind of is, like, the power of the rubric, right? Yeah, right. Because in a lot of ways, then when we get into the, like, which I guess this is, like, live democracy, but we get into the group dynamic, and then we start to.
[1:27:29] waiver on what we already voted on, you know what I mean? Which is cool, because it's live, and that's the thing, but, you know… I don't know, for me, my process is that I do that, and then I go, oh, I'll come here, and I will actually make up my mind of what I want to do. To me, it's like I
[1:27:46] it's so helpful, but also I'm still so I need more input on and questions. So anyway, it's a very helpful process, but I need this part of it to actually make a decision about that. Yeah, and I appreciate everybody
[1:28:02] opinions about things. It's like, oh, I didn't think about that.
[1:28:09] when I look at this, I wonder if you guys have come up with someone who got a 98. I think we had one last so you know we did, we had like if someone scored a 100, someone scored like a high 9
[1:28:25] and I'm like, I kind of was like, what do they all think? And then what would happen if we just did ia and said, okay, give the money away. That's how we scored it. And just let the scoring do the funding for us, and then we probably so many ethical issues right right now. And yes, you know the numbers are
[1:28:52] are a little more hardcore, but yet they're still very subjective.
[1:28:59] yeah. Okay, so is there consensus for as it stands here in the
[1:29:05] a change
[1:29:09] I think we give a couple of hundred more to the ballet off of phoenix. Can I just so you're taking just 200 from make that $1,500
[1:29:27] still strong supporters. Yeah, I mean, I love her projects, I want to.
[1:29:38] they're both projects that have a large reach. Exactly. Yeah.
[1:29:51] come on.
[1:29:52] come on, time to step up, everybody. If we just pass the hat around 50, 75 bucks a person, we could really come on now, just kidding
[1:29:58] did you take a credit card?
[1:30:04] my screen will be other hand. I have crystal lupard's credit card. Actually, I should say that on the record already.
[1:30:17] interesting.
[1:30:19] I'm just kidding, you all get plenty
[1:30:22] and then I started looking at their email addresses and I was like, these are like variations almost where you pointed out and I scored them all pretty based on what they provided, but it all scored low. Do you think there was a person involved
[1:30:46] well, do you think an ai did this? The thing that I found so the first application that came in
[1:30:54] like right after
[1:30:56] it was like the like the next day like after the last time, or whatever or like the grids closed last time was this crystal wood park one, and that was the one that was like, oh, we're doing. Oh, that kind of makes sense. I guess northwood must have had them apply, you know, like, get it right away. Maybe the show, because the show is coming up in october
[1:31:21] and then the rest of them came in like a big chunk like somewhat later. In my internet sleeping. I think that that is a real person, but I think she's like a
[1:31:31] game developer or like a back end like she wrote a script. And then she's going to submit falsified materials to pay you out on probably
[1:31:42] so I
[1:31:43] well, I was thinking maybe we should change and allocate a dollar to each of these and then so they can get a letter and we can see what the response is.
[1:31:51] I don't know.
[1:31:52] you must provide proof your event occurred.
[1:31:57] we'd like to come to your opening. Someone said to me recently, the city attorney has is handling
[1:32:08] yeah, I mean, I called, I actually called for culture. I haven't heard back from them. I'm just gonna be like, trying to learn about this person that's got a grid from you. I'm just really confused how the like scam ends, though. Like, how do they… how… because we… we don't get… we don't front them the money. They might not know that
[1:32:28] I don't know. I mean, listen, I worked in baking one of the one of my coworkers was arrested for $50,000 worth of falsified invoices that he
[1:32:46] put through the years in expenses and vendor payments that went to him. So I that was before ai now. I feel like it'd be really easy. Make me an invoice hard
[1:33:10] hi
[1:33:11] you know, a big indicator for me on those was that at least one of them, maybe two, it said that their programming started like august 1st or something at northwind. So I just went and looked at northwind's exhibits to see if that was going on
[1:33:16] yeah, it looked pretty bogus.
[1:33:18] yeah, I think, you know, it would be hard to pull off important townsend because it's so small other places. Right, that makes sense
[1:33:28] well, another thing to keep on the radar. So is there a motion to adopt
[1:33:35] as our final decision
[1:33:41] I'll make a motion for that. I'm qualified. Second.
[1:33:47] sorry. Okay, any more discussion?
[1:33:59] all in favor.
[1:34:05] great.
[1:34:13] okay. Of course, correspondence
[1:34:18] we have correspondence. There was a grant report from the
[1:34:25] you want me to add this
[1:34:27] oh, sure! What does it say? It says that it's not keeping savings time, and that we should fix it.
[1:34:42] so yeah, this is just the grant report we got from the
[1:34:48] yeah
[1:34:50] let's to the auditorium
[1:34:56] what clock were they time? Great blue, which is big blue, big blue. That's from the bakery. Oh, that one. It's a clock of bakeries, and I guess it's supposed to automatically update to daylight savings time, and it's not. I don't know how long it has not been doing it. Apparently it did do it
[1:35:16] and so somebody reached out to the artist somehow or got an actually and the artist said instructions on how to fix it. So
[1:35:27] maybe did you see that he mentioned that there is an instruction manual somewhere like behind an enclosure in the base or something like that? I didn't know that. That sounds great. What a great idea
[1:35:39] submitted in 2015 as well. So I now have that as pdf too, which is great, which I think is the same thing that's inside the sculpture
[1:35:54] we must start keeping stuff.
[1:35:59] we might want to get that to facilities so that they have a copy of it.
[1:36:08] okay, correspondence check
[1:36:12] the clock was apparently from canada, so, you know, that's a new wrinkle. We should get it fixed here as soon as possible.
[1:36:19] and then the person also followed up with a letter, which delivered to me at the library, which I've now shared with lonnie, but in the
[1:36:30] I was just like, you should fix this
[1:36:33] we'll try. Agenda for the next meeting. I think we kind of covered that we
[1:36:42] we have discussion, city arts and culture planning. Yeah, there's a couple other things. And an update on the creative district
[1:36:52] in october, the main
[1:36:57] it's october, right? The main focus for october, yeah, is talking about this sort of like how to bring various parts
[1:37:08] pieces of the city can talk about that.
[1:37:12] and also
[1:37:16] talk about the art and once because we're getting is a real nomination season.
[1:37:22] excellent
[1:37:23] yeah, so I have been running a card at kptz to ask people to nominate. Oh, cool.
[1:37:38] you guys want to talk logos more now that we have some extra time? I think we made a decision. Yeah, so I think that could be added to the agenda. Good call.
[1:37:59] it's nice to not have anyone in the audience today while we're doing this. I personally, like, didn't… I do not like it when they're, like, sitting there. It's brutal.
[1:38:14] or the beacon article about the county attack going through sort of a similar thing with their you know they give out
[1:38:25] we have a million dollars is tax income the county does. And they've historically given it out through a grants program.
[1:38:34] and they were thinking about reallocating some of that funding to, like, hire a marketing person for the county, like an in-house person, like a marketing to communicate, you know, the communications person or and like a big chunk of it has also historically gone to the tcc, which is the
[1:38:54] tourism coordinating council.
[1:38:56] and we don't know if we want to give money to the tcc anymore. Anyway, so it's been this whole thing where they've been trying to like redo their how they do the funding, like rework how they send that money out to the community. And it's also all
[1:39:13] you know, has to align with the ltc rcw, which ptac doesn't have to do, thankfully, there's a lot more flexibility, but it has to like align state law against using lodging taxes
[1:39:25] but anyway, they're going through, like, a similar thing, and they also used to do these in-person presentations. Like, I've been to a few of them, because central used to, you know, ask the lodging tax funding for the county, and they also were like, we don't want to do that anymore. We don't think it's, like, fair, basically, to have people come in and be able to… because if you can't come to that meeting or whatever
[1:39:42] so instead they were trying to do something a little bit more like what we've talked about, which is to
[1:39:47] how about a curing period, they called it where people can look at application and ask questions. Yeah, I guess I would ask
[1:39:59] the commission members
[1:40:02] if we had, if you had more time to review the grant applications
[1:40:09] would you want to ask more questions
[1:40:14] I mean, this particular round of grants probably brought up, you know, some interesting observations and questions. But
[1:40:32] send a copy of your birth certificate. So, I mean, would it be helpful
[1:40:39] that was one of the things the county commission had implemented was like a 5 day turnaround time for questions
[1:40:51] and I don't know. I have enough time to do this. Right. I was curious when I saw that the county was doing that because I was like, is that like I had the same kind of feeling. I was like
[1:41:08] I was like, you don't have, like, a kitty there. You don't know that people aren't going to get that. Does the county commission, are they the clerk. They have a clerk. I'm sorry, the
[1:41:23] ltc
[1:41:24] commissioners, the ltac people is that that's different than the county commissioners
[1:41:30] and are those people just like us, volunteers.
[1:41:41] hey, to your question, doug, if I could have seen a three-minute video presentation for each of those, I would have loved to have watched them. Three minutes or less. That was your question, right? Like what else would we have wanted to invest time in?
[1:41:55] yeah
[1:41:56] yeah. As opposed to being like while we read through this and see if I have any questions and I ask the questions and get another email back. Yeah, I think that would be really helpful to have a video, you know, because I do
[1:42:11] you're being able… I mean, it's nice we can ask some questions, but hearing what the project is from the people is really helpful that you get a better sense of them and writing this, or are you just, like, are you better at speaking, you know, it just feels like it's more skill. I feel like we talked about this, though, a while ago, and, like, the
[1:42:30] the bump that we hit was, like, that isn't, like, an accessible ask for every applicant, and, like, that does kind of, like, give preference to people that are, like, savvy in that area when… but I mean, it still is like everyone is just a little smartphone.
[1:42:50] the problem is we have to figure out where to get the video online. Exactly. Linked it, like, to a video on youtube, you could just click the link on the smartphone and submit it to us, we have no time right. And it's, like, a lot of history.
[1:43:08] to post those to a city drive that we can link to without
[1:43:13] sabotaging security. Yeah, I mean, you know share files and such just the way we sent the folders and that sort of thing. Can we put it on here for public? Right, the question is, I guess whether how it would
[1:43:28] how it would get into, like, the public record for the meeting.
[1:43:32] which is different. Yeah. That's the well, those are things we can explore and discuss as we youtube is pretty simple to use that
[1:43:44] it's easy for you. If it was a youtube video, you just you would just put the youtube link in there and it would live there forever. The problem is, it's a question of, okay
[1:44:00] who may not have that ability to do that? Are you asking someone, you know who doesn't know how to think something that you do to do it? I guess if it's all the other video, why can't he come here and talk with her replies?
[1:44:15] because we're supposed to deliberate while we're here. Become prepared. If we watch the video at home, then we have is if I don't have the option to do that, can I come and talk to you guys for 3 min
[1:44:29] like, we can't say no to that anyways, right? That's just public comment. Yeah
[1:44:36] like, we expect that on some level, but we just didn't get any this time. Could that make it equitable to say that, like, this is what we expect, and if you can't do it, then we can see, I think we could say what we would… it would be helpful, and we would prefer either, like, an in-person
[1:44:52] 3-minute presentation, or we would really prefer a video. Yeah, I mean, the video. Yeah, I mean, I think we could suggest without, like, asking
[1:45:02] you know what I mean? I just… I mean, I think it is… it would be cool to, like, to have some kind of, like, you know, something outside of, like, some still images and stuff to get a sense of some of the projects, but… it's easier to understand some of these applications. Exactly. Like, if somebody's
[1:45:21] explaining it totally
[1:45:23] I don't think we should do anything in person. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. I think we could offer help to people that don't know how to use youtube. Yeah. If you don't know
[1:45:34] we send you a pdf, or
[1:45:37] katie will explain it to you. I mean, I already thursday like that. But it's also, yeah, I mean, I think
[1:45:48] probably, like, this is how we can do lots of schools and stuff are going this direction for like a equity standpoint or like disability standpoint, stuff like that. If we need to give people the choice to either write an application or send a video. Yeah, you know what I mean? That would be the way that you would probably meet the most people's needs and not
[1:46:06] but you'd have to be able to say, like, I'm going to judge someone's video the same way I'm gonna judge, you know, their paragraph
[1:46:13] but I think actually asking people to do those things is a big ask, in my opinion. So that might be like one option.
[1:46:24] you know, I do think, I mean, people like
[1:46:27] like sasa, who is the
[1:46:34] not here.
[1:46:47] I think that they were like, this is not my portrait. Like, I don't, you know, love to be able to just
[1:47:01] no written aspect to it? I think that you would… I mean, you probably want… you'd want to have, like, the basic separation. Midwest and that kind of thing, but I think you could say, like, write a paragraph of it, or explain it.
[1:47:19] I like that. I'm very pro that. And I think it I mean
[1:47:34] being able to sit like it
[1:47:36] it's helpful also to have a video if you want to explain your project. Like, I'm an advocate, I think, but it's not like it has to be exhaustive. I mean, just to be able to give a little simple elevator speech, but to say like
[1:47:52] you will have a stronger application for the video. Well, I know that's maybe a lot, but easily like in like a pdf all the time in this town and like would not have the capability of doing that's so interesting
[1:48:10] I mean, it's like that's really interesting. Some of us are old. Yeah, 100%. I don't think that it should be. I also think ethically we shouldn't be relying on technology to
[1:48:30] get, like, it's like the parking meters. I can't imagine my… if my dad was alive, he would never, like, how could he do this? Like, it would be impossible, and I think that's awful. But… but there is something about, like, we all, like
[1:48:46] it's pretty across the board. A lot of people, like, that's not advanced technology at this point, but you know at least for the applicants, I don't know. I think we can at least, like, try it. I can also… yeah. It's just easy enough.
[1:49:02] katie, could you, like, embed like a link to, like, a how to upload to youtube, or whatever our preference for platform would be, which it does seem like youtube would be, like, the easiest content available format. Also, youtube, you do have a youtube account. You need to
[1:49:23] I know the other side of like not that into supporting some like youtube
[1:49:29] yeah, anything that is like, well, you must use amazon, or you must use these things. Not that I don't use them, you know, and not that I don't appreciate it, but it's just like, you know, when we… or like when you have to go through this. Anyway, that's it. Further topics for our
[1:49:47] agenda today, yes. May I like just one more thing I will say is that, like, you know, we're looking at all of these things, and, like, everyone has really good ideas. There are best practices in many places that give artist grants in the world, and, like, it is worth looking at how they're doing it and what they're doing to find out
[1:50:04] better ways that we can improve as well.
[1:50:06] yeah, and I think looking at those communities that do have the
[1:50:11] I don't think any of them are doing in-person
[1:50:16] I don't know. Yeah, probably not.
[1:50:21] we have completed the agenda. I would say that qualifies us for adjournment unless anybody has anything else to say, it's 4:52 pm.
[1:50:34] great meeting, everybody. Really thoughtful. I appreciate everybody's comments. Cheers
[1:50:43] thank you.
[1:50:44] just one quick thing. Jesse is painting a skate park and I'm going to go over there. He may come on my radio show next week. If he does, I'll just send an email to this committee to let you know we're trying to work out the
[1:50:49] that'd be great