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Thank you, Tom. Good evening and welcome to the village of Putjustor Planning Commission meeting of January 18th. We all rise in joining and saying the pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you,

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Kurt and the Planning Department have prepared a very full agenda this evening, so we're just going to dive right into it.

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So, Kurt, first item on our agenda in the extension section is case 2013-0097 and

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S.E.U. Special Youth Permit Renewal. This is for 999, 99 High Street Excuse me.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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My name is David Kenney. I'm the attorney with Snyder and Snyder.

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I'm here tonight to represent the applicant team, Mobile North East LLC.

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The application is to renew the special permit for the wireless telecommunications facility located

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on the rooftop of the 999 high street. We filed this renewal request in December of 2021.

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We received report dated December 18, 2021 from the Village Consultant, recommending approval

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of the special permit renewal.

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Thank you.

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Kurt?

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Yes, I do. This is just as mentioned. I gave it. This is a renewal of a special

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of Section U's permanent for a telecom facility, and, again, as mentioned, our radio frequency

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engineer has weighed in, letting us know that conditions are good, and that this can be

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renewed.

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Please know that for both this and the next case on the agenda that I do not have resolution

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prepared at this moment, but if the board sees fit to take favorable action, then I'd

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to prepare those resolutions before five days and invite me to Chairman to sign it.

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Okay, thank you.

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Questions from the members of the Planning Commission to either current or the applicant on this matter?

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Let's start.

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Oh, sorry.

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This meeting, we're going to start on this side.

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Just like we promised.

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Mr. Noelle, you're up on that.

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Yes, ready?

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Okay.

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Thank you. Jerry any questions? No questions. I have any questions?

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Back to you, Pete.

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I know you guys in the talk about these antennas and so forth.

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You have a lot of pull in the front of government such. What's going to happen when they

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tear down 999 high street in your school? Still within your contract period?

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So that's not only just a requirement of the federal government and the FCC has

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prohibitions against taking down an actively transmitting site, but I think it's also a

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leasing question on how the applicants have leased with the property owner.

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I don't have a copy of leasing, so I was not involved in leasing this site, so I can't

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properly ask.

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I answer that question, but I'm sure it's something I can pass along to Team Mobile

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to their well, they've been well heard about the redevelopment potential of the 99

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in high street, so I think they're staying tuned to see what will happen with any approvals

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of that property, but it'll be a leasing issue, whether or not they have to move and

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where they'll relocate to.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Do you want to do?

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No comment.

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No comment.

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Okay.

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I had one question.

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Previously, the planning commission, when we were dealing with these rooftops, had requested

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And when these came up before us a rooftop of inspections right where it a rooftop review,

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you know, currently previously our engineers to do this, I don't know who you would get

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to do that between now and when we could approve this.

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Yes, we did have a staff engineer to do this previously and in order to make sure the conditions

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are safe on the board full. We can turn to either consulting engineers. That's the only idea

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I have for that.

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Okay.

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If I'm out, I may offer a solution. So both of these applications actually came to the

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technology as a modification request and during the review of the modification was learned

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that the special permit needed to be renewed. So we do have an active building permit

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application in for a modification. So as part of the close out of that building permit application,

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there would obviously need to be inspections performed by the village as part of that.

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So I know that's not directly related to the special permit renewal,

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but these sites will be inspectors part of the modification application.

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When would that happen?

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So we have an act of application right now for the building department,

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but we've been stalled until we have our special permit renewed.

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So I've been told as soon as our special permit has been renewed the building toggle and continue with the review of the modification application

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The building permit is issued and construction moves forward. There should be an inspection at the close out of that building permit.

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Okay, feedback from the other commissioners. Do you think that would satisfy our ongoing concern about these rooftops?

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I had just one thing to add to that question.

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If the resolution you're going to write up, if it's going to be the same equipment, there's

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a good updated or something new being in, and the old ones that are being put at service.

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So it's two different applications.

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One is to a special permit, new for the special permit for the equipment that's already

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there.

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There is an application for an eligible facilities request modification to replace the antennas.

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That has been filed with the billing departments so they are going to replace in the antennas.

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My concern with that, anything that's not being used anymore or adequate will be removed from the side as well.

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Absolutely, but the point of it is to upgrade the antennas out of there.

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So we're all agreed.

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So.

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Is that any questions?

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So, Kurt, would you need a motion for each of them to direct you to their approval documents?

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each of those two renewals on the agenda. Yes, we can. Okay, so we'll take them one of the time you're

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representing both. I'm representing both so we can handle it. The other one is for 125 North Main Street.

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This one is a similar situation. It was filed December 22nd and we also received a village consultant

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recommendation of approval in a January 4th 2022. Okay. And again, this is another application that we have a

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modification application being reviewed by the building department. So it's a similar situation as the first one. Okay

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So we'll take on one at a time can I get a motion to direct the plane department to provide the renewal document for

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9999 high street

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Case 2013-0097

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Thank you, Madam. Three second

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Thank you Pete

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Connie, when you're ready?

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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And the learner?

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The learner?

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One, zero, two, two, six. This is for one, twenty, five, North Main Street.

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Thank you, Jerry, sir. Second. Second. Thank you, town. Connie, when you're ready?

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All that in? Yes.

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Tender Larry? Yes.

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Yes. Yes.

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Thank you very much for your time.

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Thank you very much. Have a good evening.

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Okay, next on our agenda is a Resolution section, and this is for Case 2021-0215 for

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208-216, King Street.

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I believe Kurt Mr. Sereto, you have a letter from Mr. Churchill to explain things to

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us.

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Good evening.

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Good evening, Mr. Chairman.

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a number of the law from Cuddy and Fader, 445, Hamilton Avenue, away Plains, New York.

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I didn't know if you wanted to go to the letter you just referenced first, but as far as

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work and certainty, application has been complete. The hearing has been closed. We're

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waiting for Sue as to do something with the bill, as you recall, you're one of your part

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of meetings. I've requested that the Planning Commission provides some direction or whatever

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you could in urging the Board of Trustees to do something about this situation. This is

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The only issue that's outstanding, it's out of our hands, there's nothing that we can do.

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We've been trying to reach out to Suez to know of how we're waiting for the village,

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to schedule meetings or come up with some type of resolution with Suez.

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We've been waiting for months.

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I understand as a letter which I have not seen.

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I did have the opportunity to speak briefly with Mr. Sereto earlier.

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But we encourage the planning commission to, as you've done, with other matters of interest to you,

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to please request the Board of Trustees to do something about this situation.

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This doesn't impact just developers of larger buildings, but this could impact single-home

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home home home home home home home home home home home home home home home, this is really ridiculous

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of awaiting months and there's no discussion of where, what's the weather that's going on.

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It was discussed that the December meeting was discussed that as we

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did prevent up with the abortions.

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When we had a workshop with the Board of Trustees in December, we covered a

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number, the planning commission covered a number of topics.

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We had two or three formal items on the agenda and as with anything, you get through

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the formal items and then you have other conversational topics that arise that came

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up after that and I believe the Board heard us.

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I don't think, well, I don't know if they provide in a follow-up response to us or an update

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to us, but I think they heard us.

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Well, I thank you for that.

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So, as if you could send a follow-up letter or resolution, but I do thank you for that.

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Well, I think we're going to, well, I don't want to get ahead of myself.

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I think we're going to ask Kurt to give us something and then Kurt can go through the

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chain of the village machinery to do that.

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But first, let's get Kurt and Mr. Sereto our village attorney to explain what is summarized

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to recap the letter we've received from Mr. Chair Talk.

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Mr. Chair Talk has provided us a correspondence regarding the only outstanding issue

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on the application, which is the water issue, and Mr. Chair Talk has advised us that we cannot

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take any action until that issue has been resolved.

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Of course, the secret decision has to be made before you reach the merits of the application,

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so this has to be deferred until such time as that matter is addressed.

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You have a copy, I'm sure you have a short talks, of course, buttons.

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I have no objection and transparency to provide a copy of that to the applicant tonight.

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So we can have for his file as well.

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I agree.

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It is a very significant issue.

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It needs to be addressed, and I'll defer to Kurt.

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Because there has been some discussion with Sue S.

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Since that joint meeting with the Board of Trustees.

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So it's not like things are not being done.

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It's just not being done as quickly as we would like.

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on the front of Curtis's details.

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Thank you.

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Because planning has its function within the village process, I know there's other areas

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within the village that are doing their functions and addressing the topic.

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One question I had Mr. Sarato on the memo from Mr. Truttag?

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Well, it speaks to this case, and I believe this is going to be applicable to a number

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cases that are in the pipeline following this case. My question is, how does this apply to applications

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that came prior to this case, but since the form base code was adopted, which I believe

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is what those cases would be applicable because they are much greater than what was in the previous

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code. So my thought is that this might apply as well to all applications that have occurred

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since the adoption of the former East Code.

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There is another application, also represents a necessary job rate. I believe it has

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been affected by this issue as well. I would like to advise the board that the village

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can be of assistance. We are fortunate enough to have Council, as I counsel, a general

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ticter who represents the village, right, broken city, or any watery cases for the past

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30 years, has very good relations with Sue and the public safety commission, and perhaps

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the village can utilize the services of Mr. Ticter on an escrow basis to assist that application

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perhaps that's and may be other certainly situated applications. Just to move things along

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and find out what the true issues are and perhaps be a assistance to all parties.

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It's something I spoke to Mr. Jofi about last week.

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He said he was being to his client.

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It's something I think we should pursue.

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Maybe it will bear some fruit.

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We should not be in this situation where we are today.

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It's not sensible for anyone.

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It's not good for the village.

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It's certainly not good for the development community.

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We're relying upon certain things to happen with the village

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since foreign base code was adopted.

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So, hopefully that answers your questions,

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what we can do going forward.

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Because it's not just this applicant.

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It's not.

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It's not. It's when the.

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It's a very active time.

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It's going to come before you.

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That can everybody in this room after this application and before.

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And before because right around this time,

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or at least in the the life span of this particular application,

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as when a CARF came online,

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so to speak, to really help us help the village with its pipeline of applications.

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And at that point, this topic started getting surfaced and included in their scrutiny.

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So there's a couple of applications that are not held up, so to speak, in planning land,

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and planning department land that went past us in the approval process that are now past us in the cycle that ultimately are going to be affected in the same way.

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There are areas of applications throughout the pipeline, some before, some in pipeline after, we'll go ahead.

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We should tag it from different directions.

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Indeed, it didn't just sort of, I can interrupt.

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What's being referred to as the other application is on your...

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I don't want to conflate the two together, because the circumstances and the facts are different. So maybe we can finish with this one. And if you want to take that one out of order, or if you want to deal with it, where it is later in the agenda, I'm going to be here anyway.

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So I just want to give us the preview of the application. I don't mean it confuses to the application down further down your agenda, obviously it's more time sensitive. In fact, that there are farther down the road in the pipeline.

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But there is hope, I believe, I'm taking it from different directions, and that's the point I was trying to make.

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Okay. So, let me stop there. Let me open up for questions from the Planning Commission to Mr. Sredo, or Kurt, or even the applicant.

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Certainly about Mr. Trichak's memo or anything else. Maybe I'll start on this side for earlier. Any questions?

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Okay. Jerry? No.

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Test.

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Tony.

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Is this right on?

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Does it?

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Does this problem with sewers affect any of the mega-decorations we have given in the

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test?

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It has an effect on it.

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I don't want to go down that road just yet.

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So that?

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Pete?

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Tony.

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In your discussions with sewers moving forward.

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something I just learned from this issue that these will serve letters or leave all of

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for nine months, I believe it is nine months.

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And the developers, they're not at a point that they're going to, in most cases, be able

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to make a water connection at that, you know, within that nine months.

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So, is there something, you know, we don't want to get caught later on saying, okay, well,

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it's a year since we gave it to you and we're not going to give you a water now.

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You're going to hear that discussion later in your agenda.

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry.

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Unfortunately, we don't know the whole story yet.

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OK.

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There's ongoing discussions.

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We are due for meeting.

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And other for the current as the details of that.

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We're due for meeting with Suez.

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We expect further development to proceed.

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That will hopefully alleviate the short surge solution.

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And perhaps a long term as well.

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We need to stay tuned.

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But for tonight, anyway.

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We just can't take action in this application.

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Do you have any questions?

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That?

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Okay.

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So Curtin, Mr. Saretto, and the applicant doesn't.

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It appears as if we're going to take no action tonight on this application.

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But you've heard the questions from the Planning Commission on this matter.

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And I believe we're going to continue to talk about this throughout the evening, actually.

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So I'm going to keep this to TrueTox Memo handy as we go through the evening.

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So, there's no action, it's not like we're adjourning it, we're just going to take action.

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So we need to form a placement of this matter around your February agenda.

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And again, I would renew my quest that the Planning Commission can direct a letter

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or resolution to the Board of Trustees to take more proactive approach to resolving this,

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trying to push Suez to meetings to try to push to some resolution both in the short term and long term.

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There's two separate issues. Short term issues and long term issues.

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Correct, Mr. Struddo, do you know, perhaps later when we discuss who is meeting with Sue

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as perhaps we could request an update in terms of a documentation or a memo, I don't know if the

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village manager has involved in this, I don't know if there's any, like the officials

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that are sitting in on any of these meetings, perhaps we can work out some form of communication

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to request an update for our files on this matter?

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Yes, and I certainly can say that the Suez has been in touch with my office and they made

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it clear that they're looking at several, three or four or five possible solutions.

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And when I say solutions, I mean to provide as much water as the village would need for at least

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the 20-year buildout and the applications comprising that 20-year buildout in terms of units

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this year now after 18 months after adopting the form-based code.

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So they said that this would be if you will a final solution that would go to the 20-year

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buildout and beyond, since we're really already there.

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Now they did not tell me in particular the options they were considering, but they did say

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it was not a short-term solution, but rather a long-term solution.

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Now, is there an agreement of some sort that needs to be worked out between the village and

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Suez for this to happen?

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No.

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It really is identifying a source of enough water to do just that to provide to the village of

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Portchester and the other customers enough water to supply developments as we see them.

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in other words, large mixed use sites and buildings.

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To do is provide any kind of time frame

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as to when they might be able to provide something

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to you, even what it would be, an email or a document

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or something that you could then pass on to all the applicants

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in the pipeline to, in terms of Suez's expectations

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for a target date to be able to start issuing these letters?

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Yes, in the short term, and I don't know exactly what that means,

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but in the short term, I do believe

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that, as soon as it's going to issue a statement to its customers, its potential customers

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namely developers here, and the village as soon as possible.

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So I expect that it obviously comes substantially sooner than the announcement of a permanent

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solution for what our supply for our development.

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Okay.

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All right.

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We'll stop there for this case.

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But I think we're going to continue this conversation throughout the evening.

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Any other last questions for Kurt or Mr. Sretto or the applicant?

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Okay. So no action taken. It will remain on the agenda.

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Thank you. And thank you again for bringing this to the board.

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I'll see you in the chat.

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Attention.

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Thank you.

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Next item on the agenda.

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Public hearing case 2019-0192.

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This is a continued public hearing.

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Thank you, Pete.

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So, second, second. Thank you, tab. This is for 18 and 20 South Main Street and 21 and 25 East Broadway.

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So, Johnny, could you please call the roll to reopen the public hearing?

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So, that's right. Yeah. And the way I'm doing good. Yes.

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Yes. Yeah.

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And the roll. Yes, plural.

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Good evening, Mr. Chairman, giving members of the Commission a Mark Lancher here on behalf

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of the applicant from Blanche in Wilson, 235 Main Street White Plains, New York, 1611.

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I could just start off by summarizing we have, as you recall, we've been adjourned at

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Our last meeting, we were waiting for comments to come out of Metro North Railroad.

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We did, I had the letter here.

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January 14th is that when the letter was dated, I had no Metro North had sent comments

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back to Mr. Lavala, you're in.

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The comments are extensive. We obviously have not dealt with them. Sure, prior to tonight.

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14. That's Friday? Yep.

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All right. Well, the only thing I would say from the applicants perspective, as I mentioned,

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on the project attorney, I've been trying to get Mitchell North to give us an explicit writing

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to a swaged board's concern that we do have access to East Broadway. They do not go that far in this letter.

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However, they are implicitly saying that we're certain things to occur.

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We do actually have access to the road, but that almost becomes a secondary issue is there

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a lot of engineering matters within this letter that we now have to contend with.

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I would just ask on the record if we could meet with the applicant's engineers and traffic engineers

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could meet with Mr. Lavala and the engineering team.

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I hadn't brought it up before this evening, so it's not as if I had resistance.

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I'm just raising it now.

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I would like to meet with the Planning Department to go over some of the decisions.

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Okay, thank you.

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Kurt, any updates from your side?

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Yes, and first, I do think that's the appropriate step at this point.

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After all, we've just received a pretty comprehensive letter from MTA Metro North on Friday afternoon.

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So I think that, yes, we and our consultants today,

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ref will make ourselves available to meet with the project team for sure.

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Okay. Any big error? Any comments or you just get ready?

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I couldn't figure out how to get them like that.

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No, we don't have any comments. I agree. There were extensive comments.

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We need to discuss them with the applicant and kind of figure out what comments

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What comments have to do with the overall feasibility of the application versus really construction-level details, because there might be both, but, on the other hand, there are some that do implicate kind of the overall feasibility of the application.

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need to make sure that the villages in a position to understand from Metro North what it is they would

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approve. Obviously we're not going to get a letter from them saying we would approve this if these things are

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met, right? But we need to get a sense of very clear sense of what is approval so that we're not in

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situation like a retail D here or something else.

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Thank you.

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And there's any initial questions to the applicant or Peter for make a wrap?

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Okay.

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Jerry?

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No.

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Okay.

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Peter.

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Okay.

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Being that this is a public hearing.

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Let me stop for a moment and ask if there's anybody in the audience that would like

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to speak on case 2019 0192, which is 18 and 25 South Main Street and 21 and 25 East Broadway.

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Okay, Connie, please let the minutes reflect that no one stepped forward to speak on this application this evening.

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I just have one question and then we'll do the adjourn.

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I know we're waiting for Metro North and that was a big deliverable and I can't wait to hear what comes out of that.

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I know there was another topic that Mr. Sereto, I think the applicant, was to follow up with you regarding the boss.

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Yes, the things that are in the middle of Wistester Avenue that are going to prevent the left turn and there was in Wistester County

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Pretty much said well, you can do whatever you want. So I'm as you guys do your own thing, but I believe that there was

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Some eyes to be dotted T's to be crossed between the two of you have you had an opportunity to because I know it was the holidays

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But if not perhaps that could be added on to the January list. Yeah, that's how I might to do list

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I talked to Mr. Sorano about that.

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I talked to Mr. Chor talked about that.

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I'll be sharing the agreement,

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revise the agreement with both of them.

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We have, our position remains the same.

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The applicant has stated on the record.

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We're undertaking that expense.

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I just have to finalize the agreement with the attorneys.

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Okay, so that's a follow up for next time.

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We haven't gotten the, I'm sure it's coming.

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Okay, so we'll hear more about that next month.

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Okay, so Pete, do you have a motion to adjourn?

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Thank you, Pete, is there a second?

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Jerry.

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Connie, when you're ready, please call the roll.

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Yes, I have a good night.

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Next, case 2019-0186, a new public hearing for 108 South Main Street.

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Can I get a motion to open the public hearing?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Jerry.

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Connie, when you're ready?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Good evening.

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Good evening, Mr Chairman.

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Members of the Board of Commission.

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David Cooper, a partner to the law from the Zaryn Simetz.

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Here representing 108 Gateway LLC.

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The owner of the subject property.

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with me is Ralph Rossi of the owner. This is an application for a

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amended site plan approval. The applicant is seeking to modify the

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residential program of the of this project. It was previously approved by

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this commission in 2019 with the purpose of to better reflect the the

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market. The proposal is previously there was 115 units approved. The

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proposal is to reduce that to 95 units and change the bedroom count by adding

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additional two bedrooms, as well as increase the parking on site to 120 neat spaces.

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We are here tonight for the public hearing, having to take you through the project, although

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I know the commission is well aware of the project, and really kind of hit the highlights

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already, but my notes of public hearing, so we'll take a direction from you.

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If you could, if you could, for summary, for the benefit of the public.

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So, the site in question is one of the way South Main Street, the site is just shy of about a half an acre.

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It's at the intersection of South Main and Boston Post Road.

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In October of 2019, this commission issued site plan approval for a mixed use building at the site,

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consisting of nine stories, 3, 190 square feet of first floor retail.

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By a 2600 square feet of office space, as I said, 115 residential units, as well as 134

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parking spaces.

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The proposal before the commission tonight is only dealing with the change to the residential

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component.

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Everything else footprint, the entrances, et cetera, are remaining the same.

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To change this to a 95 unit residential beltment with 128 parking spaces.

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the bedroom counter.

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The Fedor mix, excuse me, would change. Previously, 65 studios and 51 bedrooms were proposed. The proposal now would be 40 studios, 35 one bedrooms and 22 bedrooms.

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But other than that, what was already approved is this going to remain.

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Thank you.

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Kurt, planning department? Yes, and as mentioned by the Project Council, this is a limited scope, amended

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site plan approval for this project, which you know very well from one eight, one o' eight South

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Maine. And we also have planning, engineering, and traffic comments from AKRF, and of course,

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Peter, do you want to go first or should we put some of the folks on the phone first?

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Well, just, we don't have that much to say. We have issued a memo November 23rd, which the applicant has.

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It doesn't have that many comments, mostly statements, but a couple, a couple little minor questions and clarifications for the record.

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And you know, I don't, I don't think we necessarily need to go through all of them here.

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because you would like us to. We're happy to. I'm okay with that at this time of your

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receipt of. We are. Yes. Okay. Any initial questions to the applicant,

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plane department, or a care. Jerry, we're sure how many more parking spaces are you

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on you now? It's going from, yeah, 25, so 100, but we need to 120. One issue that we do want to

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address although I think it can come later out of public hearing, but there was a condition

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of the Commission's approval previously for a post-construction parking study to be

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undertaken on the assumption that there are only behind in three spaces. We'd ask that the

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Commission reconsider that because I think with 128 that post-tarking post-tarking, post-tarking,

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post-tarking won't be necessary, but we're happy to discuss that with you,

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if I guess after you call them, okay.

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Thank you.

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I have any questions?

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Okay.

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Did you have any questions?

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There was a condition in the previous approval

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about a lot they were going to use for staging.

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What are your plans for staging?

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So the staging plan has changed slightly.

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I'll go either using portions of the auto auto zone law.

462
00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:46,920
If that's not available, then there's another lot, there's three additional lots that could be used.

463
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:57,740
So there will be another lot that will identify for a carrier, for the commission to put in a resolution that would take place of the, yeah, yeah.

464
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,300
Okay, the attorney will be trying a contract show and if you have access to that.

465
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,400
Whichever lot it would be.

466
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:14,070
So, what do you believe are next steps?

467
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:23,550
I have to look at over the memo of November 23 from ICAREF, what's your thoughts on next steps?

468
00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:29,010
Yes, in addition to hearing anyone that might want to be heard at this public hearing

469
00:33:29,010 --> 00:33:30,610
for this amended site plan review.

470
00:33:30,610 --> 00:33:37,030
But in addition to that, I tend to agree that now that we're exceeding the, of course,

471
00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:43,470
when we are current parking standards, there were none with the previous code in this

472
00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:44,010
location.

473
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:48,770
However, the standard is now one parking space for multi-family unit.

474
00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:55,290
We know that there are reductions that an applicant can take, but here we're exceeding that

475
00:33:55,290 --> 00:33:57,270
standard without any reductions.

476
00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:02,350
I'm inclined to say that a post-development traffic study

477
00:34:02,350 --> 00:34:06,250
may not be warranted, but I would want to hear from Elaine

478
00:34:07,050 --> 00:34:09,950
and they care if, if not now, then later.

479
00:34:11,410 --> 00:34:14,790
So Peter and her team, OK, Elaine?

480
00:34:15,890 --> 00:34:20,230
Oh, I'm sorry, I think.

481
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:23,030
I think that's the best way to get to that.

482
00:34:23,850 --> 00:34:24,690
Sure, please.

483
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:30,210
At the fourth mixing, I think the fourth one, and there's those kicking fairs, thoseberg

484
00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:34,530
and those who flickers the five and those who flickers the swoop and also that particular

485
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:38,970
one will be apt as the three of them, try it. So,

486
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:44,830
these are the good- hm problems we just did not want people to be doing it two or four,

487
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:51,590
four, four, four, four, four, it all, and all, and, as the one, as

488
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:53,710
And there are so many things to read that book,

489
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:56,970
or can you read the sign and there are so many things.

490
00:34:57,390 --> 00:35:02,810
But there are a lot of people for a month of our day

491
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:06,010
and you can read the book, or to let us show it to you.

492
00:35:06,570 --> 00:35:07,690
So we're going to get into this.

493
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:11,450
Elaine, can't see it.

494
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:12,670
But I'm shaking my head, yes.

495
00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:14,730
The African is okay with that.

496
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:15,510
Thank you.

497
00:35:16,090 --> 00:35:16,470
Thank you.

498
00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:17,950
Thank you.

499
00:35:18,350 --> 00:35:21,570
So at this time, let me ask the public.

500
00:35:21,570 --> 00:35:28,810
at this time, there's only one here to comment on 108 South Main Street, the amended site plan.

501
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,420
Okay, Connie, could you please let the minister reflect that no one came forward to speak tonight on 108 South Main Street?

502
00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:44,390
So, to the rest of the commission, I'll be get your thoughts on next steps.

503
00:35:45,550 --> 00:35:47,390
You have a few minutes, are you right here?

504
00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:52,030
Tony, we'll take action on them.

505
00:35:52,030 --> 00:36:01,150
So, well, if I can, if I can try to be heard of, I haven't seen the memo yet, and may it not, may it not, may not.

506
00:36:01,830 --> 00:36:11,590
There's already an existing negative declaration for this project based on a similar, almost identical development.

507
00:36:12,330 --> 00:36:22,010
The fact that the will serve letter itself might have, might have, might have,

508
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:32,670
getting a new opinion that we will serve for this building. From a secret perspective, I would

509
00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:37,250
submit that there's no change in circumstance such that you would need to re-open

510
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:40,830
secret or determine whether or not there'd be a potential significant adverse impact.

511
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:45,790
From an approval perspective, that may be another issue. The bill may not want to issue building

512
00:36:45,790 --> 00:36:49,910
the government until it knows that there's a, there's a, there's a, there's water capacity.

513
00:36:50,130 --> 00:37:04,850
It was when the water looked up. That, we end the applicant understands, I would just make my pitch for the fact that since this is a unique situation from a secret perspective, it doesn't necessarily have to hold up the process before your commission, certainly probably going to hold up a building permanently.

514
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:07,390
Mr. Strato.

515
00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:58,100
And I'm immediately going to have to get back to you on that only because we represent that the new owners are not at the time when they were dealing with Suez, but sure. I was hoping that the net deck would have said if I don't see it years ago.

516
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:03,020
Okay. So Justin is that is is that in for the moment?

517
00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:07,460
Okay. I think so.

518
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:09,680
Okay.

519
00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:31,850
Thank you. Mr. Sereda.

520
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:35,230
Why we haven't spoke to Mr. Sure talk about this application.

521
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:38,050
I know me and Kurt have talked about other applications in the pipeline.

522
00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:39,930
Yeah. We did not talk about this one.

523
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:42,890
Right. And you know me quite concerned in my approach.

524
00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:47,690
I would rather speak to Mr. Sure talk about this before we take any action on this application as well.

525
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:48,110
Sure.

526
00:39:48,110 --> 00:39:53,450
And I hope that Mr. Cooper is expecting and asking for this application to be adjourned very least

527
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:54,250
until next month.

528
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:54,710
Okay.

529
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:54,770
Okay.

530
00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:55,190
That answer.

531
00:39:55,650 --> 00:40:01,810
In the meantime, perhaps some of the minor requests, I don't call it, categorized as minor,

532
00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:08,490
but the impression I received was that the, what's indicated on the November 23rd, a

533
00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:13,990
care of memory, perhaps something that could be ticked off between now and next month.

534
00:40:14,090 --> 00:40:14,730
There are other issues.

535
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:16,630
Right.

536
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:17,310
Yes.

537
00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:23,810
Okay, so, any other questions from the Planning Commission to the applicant's Planning Department

538
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:26,130
to filter his office or a care off?

539
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,900
Okay, so then can I get a motion to adjourn 108 South Main Street?

540
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:40,580
So, next month, which is February 28th, so thank you, Matt, thank you Jerry, and thank you, Connie.

541
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,060
Thank you very much.

542
00:40:53,780 --> 00:41:00,340
Next item on our agenda is a new public hearing case 2021-0216.

543
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,140
This is for 121 Peningo Street, a new public hearing, can I get a motion to open the

544
00:41:06,140 --> 00:41:06,740
public hearing?

545
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,340
Thank you.

546
00:41:10,340 --> 00:41:11,200
Sir, second.

547
00:41:12,380 --> 00:41:12,700
Thank you.

548
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,520
Connie, when you're ready?

549
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:16,840
Yes.

550
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:17,460
You're ready?

551
00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:20,640
Yes.

552
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:21,740
Yes.

553
00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:23,960
Okay.

554
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,580
Good evening.

555
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,560
Good evening.

556
00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:31,380
Good evening.

557
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:35,280
by Pierre Ceresic, the architect, and Luigi Robilliano, the applicant.

558
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:41,320
We appear last month and gave a brief presentation on the proposed construction of the

559
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,900
three story, eight unit residential, multi-family dwelling, and they proposed a 12-month

560
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:47,320
min go.

561
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,280
Since that last meeting, we have appeared before the DRC, because there were some questions

562
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,820
about the overhead wires.

563
00:41:55,340 --> 00:42:00,580
Unfortunately, at that meeting, most of this step, typically attending the DRC meeting

564
00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:02,080
was not able to attend.

565
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,860
So we don't have much feedback from that meeting

566
00:42:04,860 --> 00:42:05,400
unfortunately.

567
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,740
We are still working to schedule a meeting

568
00:42:08,740 --> 00:42:12,640
with the fire department to get information regarding that topic.

569
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:16,620
But unfortunately, we have no feedback from that DRC meeting.

570
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,920
We also have been working to respond to a number

571
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,660
of the outstanding comments in the AKRF review memos.

572
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:27,760
We don't think there's anything too major to significant in there,

573
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,440
but it's just a matter of getting updated materials

574
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:30,840
prepared.

575
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:33,960
We will have those for the February meeting.

576
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:37,820
So considering that this is a public hearing,

577
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,640
I can ask Pierre to give you guys another brief point

578
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:41,360
through the plans.

579
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:43,970
Yes, please.

580
00:42:46,990 --> 00:42:47,590
Thank you.

581
00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:48,210
Good evening.

582
00:42:48,370 --> 00:42:49,850
For the record, again, it's up here.

583
00:42:50,050 --> 00:42:51,710
It's airs and airs in architecture.

584
00:42:58,260 --> 00:42:59,040
Here we have the microphone.

585
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:00,800
We can still hear any.

586
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,760
And that first thing we've got all those zoning data.

587
00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:15,800
I know on Mr. Rose comments was a front-age type, we're going to work with a big aircraft.

588
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:20,820
You know, we don't want any variants, so we're going to make sure that we fit in that direction.

589
00:43:24,110 --> 00:43:26,330
This first sheet is the lower level.

590
00:43:26,830 --> 00:43:29,730
It has a very small base for cellar.

591
00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:38,770
really just more kind of a utilitarian board play which is a electrical mechanical service

592
00:43:38,770 --> 00:43:45,150
and we have more chatting exactly what that is but it's going to be really just kind of that fast.

593
00:43:47,530 --> 00:43:53,470
This is the first board plan which is our parking plan.

594
00:43:53,470 --> 00:44:01,930
We have a small lobby, elevator, two stair towers for the community, we've made a lot of

595
00:44:01,930 --> 00:44:09,150
the patients to have a parallel front of the building and meet all of those requirements

596
00:44:11,810 --> 00:44:23,040
this is the second third floor plan, which has four units, pretty straightforward,

597
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:28,060
we're happy to get into detail on some of these units.

598
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:38,220
If you're wanting, this is a modification we did is a group plan showing a hip that's

599
00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:38,800
in the blind.

600
00:44:39,060 --> 00:44:44,020
I thought it was a question on the group pitch, but we will make sure that we are able to

601
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:44,440
respond.

602
00:44:49,810 --> 00:44:56,710
It's our site-lighting plan to get through one comment, we're going to throw on the

603
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:59,210
I can't lose it to zero off the line.

604
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:12,440
We don't have a whole lot of grease case here. We need the requirements. We do have one tree and some strokes.

605
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,280
We'd love to have some planters. We can't be with the flag, just a minute.

606
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:20,620
Mark that interest.

607
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:28,150
This is the final station.

608
00:45:30,090 --> 00:45:33,210
So we're going to have to ask for a single group.

609
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:35,110
It was a corn list.

610
00:45:35,350 --> 00:45:38,530
It'll be the pilot monster, the corn list.

611
00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:39,910
The brickwork.

612
00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:43,010
And it's a recessed parent.

613
00:45:43,350 --> 00:45:47,450
It's going to come up as we're going to be under comments from the board.

614
00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:52,270
Again, our rendering is showing this case.

615
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:56,710
But we're going to update our rendering to make sure we have to push back to the clients.

616
00:45:57,350 --> 00:46:00,470
And we'll update that run in a bunch of different parts.

617
00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:08,160
And then you have the side of the location.

618
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,120
There's any questions you're out of here.

619
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:11,120
I'm going to go through the slide.

620
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:12,760
Thank you.

621
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:13,400
Yeah.

622
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:16,160
In some, it's a fairly modest proposal.

623
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:18,640
There's, like I said, they units of the two studios,

624
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,500
two one bedrooms and four two bedrooms.

625
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:26,300
Currently they're opposed to the proposed as affordable.

626
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,720
But the applicant is going to be working with the county to ensure that he

627
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:33,400
funding so is not committed to all of them, but that's the intent is to have all of them

628
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,940
affordable, but you can't commit to that at this time.

629
00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:40,680
Currently there is six off-tree parking spaces located with them building.

630
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:46,300
That plan could be changing because there was some comments from AKRF regarding the internal

631
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,160
circulation for those, but maximum required by the code is 4.

632
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:59,700
So we have two spaces to work with, but we're trying to maximize the amount of parking

633
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:01,040
Thank you.

634
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Kurt Plain of Harvard.

635
00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:03,780
Yes.

636
00:47:03,820 --> 00:47:04,600
Thank you Mr. Chairman.

637
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:13,400
So, we do have one of the changes that was made since the last time we saw this project

638
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:22,820
is that the front elevation is now parallel with the street and the right of wind line.

639
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,400
itself, which is something that is emphasized in the form-based code and does serve a purpose.

640
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,060
So we appreciate that.

641
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,060
We also have just received this afternoon a letter

642
00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:38,660
from the County Planning Department upon our referral

643
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:41,780
and they were aware that we were meeting tonight.

644
00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:44,220
So they provided that in time for me,

645
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,140
at least to send it out via email.

646
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:50,220
And I can characterize the letter from the county

647
00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:54,100
as generally favorable, given the standards

648
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:59,200
that they use in order to review projects.

649
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:09,320
I would say that it probably is important before the public hearing is open to know whether

650
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:16,340
to know whether the developer finds it feasible or infeasable to make one or more units affordable

651
00:48:16,340 --> 00:48:25,160
and work with the county named group that's named in our code that helps us administer those

652
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:32,440
provisions over time. And also of course, A.K. Erath does have a memo. I think it was noted

653
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:41,080
that I don't think there was a new submission for this application, but nonetheless we do have a January

654
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:44,880
14th memo from A.K. A.R.F.

655
00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:46,240
Thank you.

656
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:47,520
Peter?

657
00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:52,000
Thank you.

658
00:48:52,940 --> 00:48:55,140
Yeah, we had a couple comments not many.

659
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,160
I agree Mr. Sarasins characterization that these are going to be pretty, at least the planning

660
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:06,060
comments, pretty easy to kind of work around and just discuss with tab as well

661
00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:13,100
and other, what a nuance let's call it to one of the comments that I have made.

662
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:22,100
And I can let Elaine and Justin talk about the engineering and traffic comments, but overall they weren't.

663
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:23,820
There's nothing major.

664
00:49:25,020 --> 00:49:30,020
Okay, should we hear from Justin and then Elaine?

665
00:49:30,620 --> 00:49:34,800
Yes, Justin and Elaine, if you do have comments, please go ahead.

666
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,480
Thank

667
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,240
you, Justin.

668
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,000
Elaine?

669
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,480
I'm so excited, I think I'm really amazed by this.

670
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,240
And we have to get some of those earlier.

671
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,420
It was so much.

672
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:35,600
This is pretty limited.

673
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:37,700
There are six basic components,

674
00:50:38,580 --> 00:50:40,300
but four fantastic major projects,

675
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,600
there's either the walls, the columns,

676
00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:44,920
the columns, or even the parks, the abos.

677
00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:47,780
There's the awesome way to move on.

678
00:50:48,060 --> 00:50:49,660
Some have spaces, however,

679
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,680
that would be some big conflicts with their major.

680
00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:57,020
We're contact states as well.

681
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:58,680
I believe for those who chose

682
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,140
and it takes a natural look.

683
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:05,360
30% contact states will use a direct message,

684
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,040
really reworking that a regular state

685
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,920
because it's not going to work at this.

686
00:51:12,820 --> 00:51:15,300
One second comment involved the fight line

687
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:18,520
and because the fight line can be limited

688
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,160
because we've got to be out to the target,

689
00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:37,160
Okay. Thank you. At this time, let me just reach out to the public and then we'll get into questions.

690
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,900
Is there anyone here tonight to speak?

691
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:50,980
four against or offer thoughts on the application of 2021-102-126-21 Peniglistry.

692
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,340
Okay, Connie, if the minutes could please reflect, no one came out to speak on this.

693
00:51:57,980 --> 00:52:02,860
Okay, so questions to the applicants or I care after playing the department?

694
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:10,180
I'm sorry, the parking, I can't visualize, where's the parking, how to get to the parking?

695
00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:12,760
I don't

696
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:18,260
have the civil drawings.

697
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,380
We show them art, but it should be in your package.

698
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:37,060
There's three statements here and you're trying to get three statements.

699
00:52:38,780 --> 00:52:49,720
You're going to apply. There's room for, you know, we can move some columns. We can work with, I think, this a little more efficient and work with our engineers,

700
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:57,180
as far as turning, hammering that, and navigating to this part of the world, feel like we're

701
00:52:57,180 --> 00:53:01,820
going to be at least in compliance with the four stages. I think we feel confident

702
00:53:01,820 --> 00:53:06,000
that we can get the five stages, but this six was looking a little too.

703
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:07,660
Okay.

704
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,060
Chair, yes. Thank you.

705
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:11,380
Thank you.

706
00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:13,500
What is the width of the drywood?

707
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:16,400
Distinct wood or is a 14 feet?

708
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,720
It's a time-for-wide driveway with a six-for walkway adjacent to it.

709
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:24,870
And that's one of the comments I was raised in the eight-air of my mother.

710
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:25,990
I wrote it down.

711
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:27,250
I'll give it to you.

712
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:27,810
I'll give it to you.

713
00:53:27,810 --> 00:53:30,070
And to your question,

714
00:53:30,550 --> 00:53:33,290
Exhibit D for from our November 16th,

715
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:36,250
on submission has parking diagrams

716
00:53:36,250 --> 00:53:38,090
and the internal circulation diagrams.

717
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:39,290
And also you can say,

718
00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:39,910
Unable economic.

719
00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:43,290
So it just to be clear that the driveway,

720
00:53:45,970 --> 00:53:47,990
the opening in the building,

721
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:53,710
in the front of the building between wall and wall, the 16 feet,

722
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:57,850
so they're proposing basically

723
00:53:57,850 --> 00:54:07,730
a 10 foot curb cut, not including the neighbor and the 10 foot curb cut that goes up and the

724
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:09,990
gate opens to a 16 foot opening.

725
00:54:15,810 --> 00:54:20,970
The maximum width for the driveway is 10 feet.

726
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:36,730
I'm glad I'm not sure I always do, but it's what's a driveway, right? If this

727
00:54:36,730 --> 00:54:42,590
building's at the lot line, is the opening to the building the driveway is the

728
00:54:42,590 --> 00:54:48,590
curb cut the drive what right there's not actually a driveway next to a house right

729
00:54:48,590 --> 00:54:54,470
this isn't we're leading up to a house you got a sidewalk which is all the same

730
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:59,990
it's all concrete so what is the driveway I

731
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,060
think we need to talk more about it

732
00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:07,340
yeah okay so

733
00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:14,210
what is the purpose of that 16 put it right out there gonna be a side walk

734
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:19,150
that's gonna join that correct when it's separated to track for someone

735
00:55:21,390 --> 00:55:26,810
If you're exiting or entering the driveway in a car coming out, you're not like swimming out of the way.

736
00:55:27,090 --> 00:55:27,210
Right?

737
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:28,710
It gives you that sick look off for that.

738
00:55:28,850 --> 00:55:30,410
You have a clear path to test the car.

739
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:37,160
I'm going to follow up on that.

740
00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:38,220
Peter first.

741
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:42,420
You should, you require four parking spaces, correct?

742
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:42,920
Correct.

743
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:43,560
Let's go.

744
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:46,960
I mean, they'll be able to get forward into that space.

745
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,080
You comfortable with that?

746
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:53,210
I mean, the question is asked by people.

747
00:55:53,210 --> 00:56:04,670
And if the maneuverability and the size of the vehicles is adequate, if I'm stating that

748
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:12,350
We'll have to speak in the way out with four cases, and I can't yet, because not you

749
00:56:12,350 --> 00:56:14,090
can be like five as well.

750
00:56:14,590 --> 00:56:16,090
We have to speak in the way out as well.

751
00:56:16,930 --> 00:56:21,130
We're trying to communicate with each other, and we have to communicate with each other.

752
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:22,570
I can't speak for sure at the moment.

753
00:56:23,250 --> 00:56:23,590
Understood.

754
00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:32,710
And that actually reminds me, and Elaine mentioned, of course, that we like other municipalities

755
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:38,150
do allow up to approximately 30% of spaces for compact vehicles.

756
00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:45,750
Please be careful, in other words, I think it's clear that compact spaces were created

757
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:49,130
when cars were tiny in the early 80s.

758
00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:58,230
And between the wheelbases, their size, their turning radii, this is, it's getting unrealistic,

759
00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:59,250
I get it.

760
00:56:59,250 --> 00:57:04,030
No one who wants to really repeal Parkland for compact spaces.

761
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:11,330
It was thought of as a good idea and accommodating allowing for more

762
00:57:11,330 --> 00:57:12,110
Parkland capacity.

763
00:57:12,450 --> 00:57:20,290
But I think until the trend changes, I think that's a bit ridiculous

764
00:57:20,290 --> 00:57:22,350
to have compact spaces at all.

765
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:25,660
I mean, you're really good.

766
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:28,680
Can you imagine interviewing a tenant showing them the building

767
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,640
and then saying, oh, after all that, you know,

768
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:32,860
sorry, you don't have a compact car,

769
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:35,560
or they choose to buy a larger car.

770
00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:39,460
I mean, I can tell you, it's difficult to maneuver

771
00:57:40,050 --> 00:57:42,840
into a compact car space when you don't have a compact car.

772
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:46,940
Julia?

773
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,940
Um, in terms of the outdoor parking,

774
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,380
or the parking outside the building,

775
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,240
I do think that it is a hazard

776
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,960
to have those spaces in front of the building

777
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,920
for the sort of reviews.

778
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,220
So I think moving those bases are good.

779
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:04,200
Thank you.

780
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:09,700
Yep.

781
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,140
So I'm getting back to the walkway, which

782
00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:14,080
I think was raised at the November meeting.

783
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,960
It's six feet wide.

784
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,380
And I think some people express that that is a little narrow,

785
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,600
as far as, you know, a special emergency.

786
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,420
Is there any way you guys can entertain

787
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,120
widening that walkway, does it fit into the footprint of the property at all?

788
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:42,060
So currently there is a 16-foot wide driveway there right now, because the code only permits

789
00:58:42,060 --> 00:58:47,220
a 10-foot wide driveway in this zone for this use, and we have to reduce the side of the driveway

790
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:52,240
to 10 feet, but in order to build like we just said a little bit of buffering, hopefully in the

791
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:57,600
future if the board trust either means a code to modify that limitation in the 10-foot wide

792
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,500
driveway, it can easily be converted to a 16-foot wide driver, which is much safer and much

793
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:08,220
better for multi-family use development like this as opposed to, you know, a 10-foot wide

794
00:59:08,220 --> 00:59:12,600
driver is more suitable for a single family and I'm more or two-family now I'm not going to

795
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,380
want them to do that as we quickly do.

796
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:21,300
Sure, would you think that one point is going to hit the lobby, so it's not coming in a dry way,

797
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:29,780
It's, you know, separating the, I'll show you understand, you have to, you got a lobby next to me, right?

798
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:42,500
So can't you put the walkway, make a lobby bigger, and then make it from the parking lot into the lobby, rather than just stick with a ten foot driveway, just from cars.

799
00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:44,700
And the people walking walk the way through the lobby.

800
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:51,400
Well, it's also for you up to date for delivery drivers, for people that have gotten more packages, you do have it.

801
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,780
We call them. So just allow us, you to enter the building without necessarily having to go to vote. We don't want to challenge everyone to vote.

802
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:13,720
The building, you know, I'm trying to give you an out if it was a safety call.

803
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:23,980
I'm going to move up to maybe 20 feet, you know, we have a 16-foot crow club to kind of enjoy it.

804
01:00:23,980 --> 01:00:24,900
Well, the best way we can.

805
01:00:25,020 --> 01:00:31,820
To build on the peak's point, that wall of your mid building is opening to the garage.

806
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:33,180
Right.

807
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:33,920
Okay.

808
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,340
Turn it up wall to the lower part of where you just move it.

809
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:37,660
This wall.

810
01:00:38,820 --> 01:00:39,340
Right in the entrance.

811
01:00:40,020 --> 01:00:40,560
Right there.

812
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,600
I said we could make it 20 people, I didn't get out of 10 books on it.

813
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:18,780
Right, but we're a little bit of a gray area there.

814
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:24,840
Yeah, the sidewalk that is internal to the garage that you're talking about,

815
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:29,420
so that cars don't run over you, so that you're walking in the garage.

816
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,240
Are you talking about this straight away?

817
01:01:33,220 --> 01:01:34,100
This is...

818
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:35,880
Okay,

819
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,440
but to be clear, there's nothing raised.

820
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:48,540
Well, that's where I was going. I think I thought it was a year ago, is it paint or is it actual raised sidewalk that's internal?

821
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,840
Is there some way it could that

822
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,360
The way it's designed now was intended to use the existing curtain, but I think what if you're suggesting

823
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,460
and moving the garage door opening further down on this way.

824
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:09,460
You can buy it, too.

825
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:13,900
Because some garages that I've walked in actually have a,

826
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:15,900
it may not be a fully raised sidewalk,

827
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,100
but there's definitely something which if the car tire hits it,

828
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,100
tells the driver you're now off the road and onto a sidewalk of some sort.

829
01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:26,960
So, you know, something that's slightly raised

830
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,060
if you're going to have an internal sidewalk that is going to be as narrow as that

831
01:02:31,060 --> 01:02:33,500
for people to walk in or out as an idea.

832
01:02:34,660 --> 01:02:40,500
That you can continue discussion with a carer.

833
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:44,880
Any other questions for the applicant on this?

834
01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:46,600
I just don't know.

835
01:02:48,060 --> 01:02:50,420
So current Washington thoughts on next steps?

836
01:02:51,260 --> 01:02:59,220
Yes, I think we spoke of a recent mission regarding the carer without any outstanding comments.

837
01:02:59,220 --> 01:03:10,960
And for that purpose, you may wish to adjourn the public here until that time, the regular meeting on February 28th, and see where we are then.

838
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:22,240
And also, we would need, we ask the applicant to please continue analyzing the feasibility of one or all of the units being affordable.

839
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:29,980
But again, I think that's something that is a significant element of the application for purposes of presenting it to the public and asking them for the answer.

840
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:32,500
So we need clarity on that aspect.

841
01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:44,460
Now, one last topic that was raised, this is the chair of memo page two.

842
01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:46,820
This is in the engineering section.

843
01:03:46,820 --> 01:03:50,640
It is the regard in the fire department.

844
01:03:50,940 --> 01:03:56,180
Now, the applicant mentioned that there was a meeting, a DRC meeting, that was scheduled,

845
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,320
but didn't quite happen.

846
01:03:57,740 --> 01:04:03,760
How does the applicant get that information from the fire department to provide to a

847
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:04,300
care of?

848
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:12,080
So, I have been trying to assist our applicants in getting in touch with the fire chief,

849
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:18,400
is, of course, a volunteer, but nonetheless, the chief of the fire department, and in some

850
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:28,720
cases have been successful. Now, in the end, for all of the time and energy, everyone on both

851
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:36,480
sides of the table has been on this issue when it comes down to it. It is a ministerial approval.

852
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:42,220
So it's not really within the Planning Commission's purview, but I can't, no.

853
01:04:42,220 --> 01:04:44,220
I can't help forget that we were all there.

854
01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:46,180
We were all been talking about it.

855
01:04:46,180 --> 01:04:51,200
It's been the subject of a lot of conversation.

856
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,160
But so in this case, I don't know.

857
01:04:54,160 --> 01:05:00,300
I believe the project has been designed to alleviate the need to bury the wires,

858
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,920
but just know that that's not necessarily, I can't verify that myself.

859
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:11,440
Okay, so hopefully between now and next month we could perhaps get some input on that topic as well?

860
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:21,920
Yes, and as much as the fire chief makes himself available, I have been working with applicants and their professionals to have them have a conversation.

861
01:05:22,420 --> 01:05:24,140
Okay, that was my last question.

862
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:26,260
Yes.

863
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:27,500
Excuse me.

864
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:28,920
Excuse me.

865
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:30,840
Yes.

866
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:37,920
I think it would have given my understanding of where we're at now, but I would say that the

867
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:45,360
definitive statement will be made by Sue as itself most likely in the coming weeks.

868
01:05:46,140 --> 01:05:49,640
So we'll all have more clarity than we have at this time.

869
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:52,720
It's just right away, anything else?

870
01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:54,020
Okay.

871
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:55,840
So motion to adjourn then.

872
01:05:57,180 --> 01:05:57,720
Thank you, Pete.

873
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:02,040
Sir, thank you, Jerry, Connie, when you're ready?

874
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:02,820
Got it.

875
01:06:03,340 --> 01:06:03,480
Yeah.

876
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:04,000
Can you marry her?

877
01:06:04,580 --> 01:06:04,840
Can you marry her?

878
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:05,500
Yes.

879
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:06,340
Yeah.

880
01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:08,800
Yes.

881
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:09,800
Yes.

882
01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:11,360
Okay, have a good night.

883
01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:12,120
Thank you very much.

884
01:06:16,660 --> 01:06:16,880
Okay.

885
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,560
Next item, our agenda is a public meeting.

886
01:06:27,020 --> 01:06:28,700
This action is to Sereto.

887
01:06:29,780 --> 01:06:35,480
We're going to insert a follow-up on something before we go forward.

888
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:42,220
on the public meeting stage. We received a communication from the Board of Trustees regarding

889
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:48,640
how we should proceed or on this case.

890
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,740
Sure. You still want to call the case and then we can make this statement on the record.

891
01:06:51,940 --> 01:06:52,660
You are fine.

892
01:06:53,900 --> 01:07:05,780
So next case on the agenda is case 2021-0218. This is a continued public meeting on

893
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:12,920
two

894
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,960
I was in a commission again for the record Tony Dough,

895
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:16,640
ready to remember the law from Cutting Fader.

896
01:07:17,540 --> 01:07:21,860
Here on behalf of the applicant for the proposal for a 2-16 south mage.

897
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:39,380
I may still have a thunder, but we've appeared before the Board of Trustees, and a letter in the Board of Trustees

898
01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:45,360
has authorized the execution of a letter of authorization as you're aware part of this proposal

899
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:52,640
involves the municipal parking lot, agreed. He's Broadway that we're proposing to incorporate

900
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:58,440
into the development. We've been appearing before the Board of Trustees, and they did authorize

901
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:03,880
a letter of authorization allowing us to proceed the application that's before you.

902
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:04,540
I don't know.

903
01:08:04,780 --> 01:08:08,060
Do you want to move this through to what's there anything to add on that particular item?

904
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:16,180
Mr. Chairman, I've spoken to some of you between the last meeting tonight regarding the correspondence

905
01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:21,900
from the Board of Trustees. Some of you, notwithstanding the authorization and the resolution

906
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:27,280
adopted by the Board, allowing the applicant to proceed before you. You have had some concerns

907
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:32,460
whether or not this Board should still proceed to a public hearing stage on this application.

908
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:39,320
Tonight would be the time for you to know and your views about a proceeding to the public

909
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:45,040
hearing stage. I think the intensive Board of Trustees was to allow the applicant to provide

910
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:51,260
this Board the opportunity to review the application to talk about some potential public

911
01:08:51,260 --> 01:08:58,160
amenities that the village would be obtaining in return for being a property on his Broadway.

912
01:08:58,820 --> 01:09:04,680
That would enhance the downtown. Those things would be coming to the village if in fact

913
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:11,020
they acquired the property. But I think the that discussion would need to be pointed back

914
01:09:11,020 --> 01:09:16,060
to the board of trustees as to your thoughts on those things. But as far as your concern,

915
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:20,720
not to take actions far as the public hearing. That would be a bridge too far for some

916
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,820
of you. I'm not sure if that's the majority well of this board, but that would be the time

917
01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:26,280
for you all to talk about it.

918
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,360
Yeah, I think that can, I'll speak for myself.

919
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,680
And on the against the applicant, this is more of a process thing.

920
01:09:34,060 --> 01:09:41,740
When we go to a public hearing, we're presenting to the public what we believe is coalesced pretty closely into a final product.

921
01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:50,040
I don't see how we could do that if we had this significant element of the case that's still undecided

922
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:54,120
with respect to the disposition of the village on property.

923
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:58,740
So in terms of working with the applicant doing the normal process

924
01:09:58,740 --> 01:10:03,660
in public meeting stage that I get, and I think that's a good thing to do.

925
01:10:04,540 --> 01:10:11,560
I have reservations about going to a public hearing stage when we get there before we get

926
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,460
into the nuts and bolts of, you know, what's in our document package.

927
01:10:15,460 --> 01:10:22,120
I don't see how we could present that to the public and ask for public input when there's

928
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,160
such a significant element that's still in flux.

929
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:29,360
So that's why I reached out to you to try to, now I understand what the Board of Trustees

930
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,520
did with respect to giving us direction to proceed right now.

931
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,540
I'm usually, I'm thinking, a couple of steps in advance.

932
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,480
Now that's why I reached out to you first to get your thoughts on the matter.

933
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:50,480
I know we're getting Mr. Trudeck involved in everything, but hopefully this is something that I think could be, well, we'll say, that was my initial thought.

934
01:10:50,820 --> 01:10:56,760
And I think a couple other members also called you shortly after the Board took that action.

935
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,760
Chairman Skull, if I could just be heard on that.

936
01:11:00,220 --> 01:11:05,420
And again, I think we have some things that we need to discuss germane to what's before you this evening,

937
01:11:05,420 --> 01:11:09,320
prior to getting to a determination of whether we're not ready for a public hearing or not,

938
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,460
but we have authorization to proceed before this board and NATO or agency with respect to approvals.

939
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:19,300
Now, I think particularly, it would be particularly relevant to getting to a public hearing stage,

940
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:21,740
because no member of the public can speak on this application,

941
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:27,120
I think. However, if you have a public hearing, and there is input that the public would like to provide,

942
01:11:27,460 --> 01:11:30,340
I think that we remain not only to your discussions,

943
01:11:30,860 --> 01:11:34,680
the things that you are thinking about, which go to the entire application.

944
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,980
As well as potentially to the Board of Trustees,

945
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:42,550
I'm one voice, so let's just try to

946
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:48,470
express my thoughts on it, and I'm looking forward to working through the application

947
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:55,270
in the public hand, public meeting stage, and I just want to surface it now, so that way

948
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:58,590
I know you prefer not to be surprised when the time comes, right?

949
01:11:58,770 --> 01:12:01,790
No, I think it's good to put all this on a record before the presentation is made.

950
01:12:01,790 --> 01:12:04,310
I hear both sides of the issue.

951
01:12:05,170 --> 01:12:09,210
I think that the applicant and the village and the public commission all have common ground.

952
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:13,010
We want to see the best application we can for this particular piece of property.

953
01:12:13,230 --> 01:12:14,730
We deserve it.

954
01:12:14,730 --> 01:12:19,510
And for a mere, from the applicant, that if they acquire this village piece of property, which

955
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:24,430
right now is a sub-usual, under-utilized parking lot, it will only make the downtown better.

956
01:12:25,150 --> 01:12:25,950
And I'll go further.

957
01:12:26,130 --> 01:12:29,770
The Board of Trustees asked us about imminent demand for the two parcels that are on the

958
01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:31,450
corner that we don't have control over.

959
01:12:31,450 --> 01:12:35,710
I think that clearly shows the intent or that we're proposing to incorporate into

960
01:12:35,710 --> 01:12:36,630
the application whatsoever.

961
01:12:37,070 --> 01:12:40,730
The Board of Trustees wants us to go farther than we have that we are today.

962
01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:44,770
I hear you, Mr. Delphi.

963
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:49,530
To stop, to have formal resubstance.

964
01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:52,770
The stop was from proceeding in getting, as we all know,

965
01:12:53,490 --> 01:12:54,450
secretively important.

966
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:57,650
You try to get the public hearing as early in the process you can,

967
01:12:57,730 --> 01:12:59,530
so that you can incorporate public comment,

968
01:12:59,530 --> 01:13:02,430
which sometimes dictates the way an application goes.

969
01:13:02,890 --> 01:13:04,990
It sometimes dictates changes to the application.

970
01:13:05,450 --> 01:13:08,710
To fork that process for a few months,

971
01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:11,990
I think is another way to do what we're trying to do

972
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:13,330
and what the intent of secret is.

973
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:16,510
And in this particular instance, we're not back before you

974
01:13:16,510 --> 01:13:18,810
for a month and a half because of the procedural changes

975
01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:21,030
that you made over the last couple of months,

976
01:13:21,390 --> 01:13:23,430
so that the only time that we would be able to schedule

977
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:25,690
a public hearing would be for March.

978
01:13:28,180 --> 01:13:31,440
Well, I'll put my two cents in.

979
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,420
I would like to hear this application in the public meeting.

980
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:42,560
I don't think we should go to a public hearing until closure has come to that property.

981
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:49,300
I believe the Board of Trustees have gone out of their lane and telling us to listen to

982
01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:52,820
an application that is not a true application.

983
01:13:54,220 --> 01:13:58,040
You want to build something on property that you don't own, or you don't even have any

984
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:07,960
rights to. We have another issue with another application in the public is saying that we're

985
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:14,020
showing preference to a developer by giving them the right to acquire property without

986
01:14:14,020 --> 01:14:23,460
legally putting it out for bid. So I will not go for this to go to public care until it's

987
01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:29,860
I know there's a couple of views floating around, but I think it's important for the

988
01:14:29,860 --> 01:14:30,160
doctor.

989
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:34,660
I think the second is terrible, but you know, I am looking forward to it.

990
01:14:34,660 --> 01:14:35,480
We will be back here.

991
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:43,500
It doesn't make sense for us to be as close to a public view when we got some items that I still

992
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:45,540
didn't pay the public.

993
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:49,640
We've got things out of the cage and you go to the public view.

994
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,280
Thoughts? I mean, everyone has a voice on this in terms of expressing to others, for having one more comment.

995
01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:09,880
I just want to hear from some of the other commission, and you will certainly have.

996
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,980
I just want to hear from some others on the commission on their thoughts at this time.

997
01:15:14,420 --> 01:15:19,440
I'm more if you want to dwell on it and follow up with Mr. Sereto, you can, but any additional questions.

998
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:30,240
I mean, I have concerns, too, about certain applications that came before us that involved

999
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:36,440
village property, and I don't know what's going on with that, but it's interesting how

1000
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:44,400
we have a resolution before us in much of a same concept, and they're asking us to go forward.

1001
01:15:44,900 --> 01:15:47,900
I mean, this is my concern as Chief's concern, and others.

1002
01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:52,200
No, and I understand what you're saying, all of you are collectively saying.

1003
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,400
I also understand what the Board of Trustees did.

1004
01:15:54,540 --> 01:16:00,000
I think you can work to two together and, you know, we can almost play Solomon.

1005
01:16:00,740 --> 01:16:05,660
We can develop the record, work with the applicant, develop the application, find out what

1006
01:16:05,660 --> 01:16:09,620
are the things that this village actually could accomplish if it decides to sell the property,

1007
01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:14,280
sell the parking lot, what things that the applicant can help us out make that area the best

1008
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:19,780
can be. That is not taking anything away from the fact that it is a policy decision of border

1009
01:16:19,780 --> 01:16:25,340
trustees to make the decision whether to sell the property. That is their concern. Part

1010
01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:30,760
of their discussion and deliberation will depend upon, I think, what this application is going

1011
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:35,320
to look like, if perhaps they did decide to sell it. It is not being a decision made in a vacuum.

1012
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:41,660
So I think you can do, you can write both horses for now. You can have this application in the

1013
01:16:41,660 --> 01:16:46,700
meeting stage, develop the record. Here, the applicant make the best case he can to what he would

1014
01:16:46,700 --> 01:16:51,860
like to see that project look like if they did not get the property from the village and

1015
01:16:51,860 --> 01:16:55,700
see where it goes, make a report to the board of trustees, what you are finding is, and they

1016
01:16:55,700 --> 01:17:00,640
will have to make the decision whether or not to proceed to sell it. That way, you are honoring

1017
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:05,640
the spirit of the board resolution, which is to try to see what we can do as a planner,

1018
01:17:06,380 --> 01:17:10,800
planners, to make it to the application. I think that is the way you write both horses at the same

1019
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,720
time. Other than that, we'll be sitting here talking about this and not getting to any of Mr.

1020
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:16,200
Jaffee's presentation tonight.

1021
01:17:16,740 --> 01:17:17,500
We should hear it.

1022
01:17:17,540 --> 01:17:18,960
Yeah, we should hear it.

1023
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,580
Yeah, that's as far as we're going to go until we get an answer.

1024
01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:27,120
Okay, so Mr. Villager, you've heard from us.

1025
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,980
So you understand our point of view on things.

1026
01:17:29,180 --> 01:17:30,460
I think you've made a public record of that.

1027
01:17:30,460 --> 01:17:33,940
I think you've made your record of a scroll, but you do the indicator that you make an additional comment.

1028
01:17:33,940 --> 01:17:35,140
Oh, sorry Mr. Jaffee.

1029
01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:36,660
We get swept out with Mr. Jaffee.

1030
01:17:36,660 --> 01:17:37,620
I get swept out of the word.

1031
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:39,680
Once Mr. Serato gets going, you know.

1032
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,260
I'm very pleased with the place of something like that.

1033
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,440
To clarify, the other application you're referring to is different.

1034
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:52,980
They use the different vehicle, which I don't want to get into, as opposed to what is before the Board of Trustees.

1035
01:17:53,940 --> 01:18:03,120
And I was standing, I do believe this commission has gone to public hearing for other applications that had letter of authorizations, both before you, as their vehicle will be called.

1036
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:12,660
So, I understand your direction. There are a number of different ways, whether you own the property, whether you're contract-vendee, whether you have a letter of authorization, or another legal means to be before this commission.

1037
01:18:12,740 --> 01:18:20,520
This commission has granted, and has scheduled public hearings for other applications. Yes, they, you have applications in the past.

1038
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:32,640
Notwithstanding, we do have a presentation that we would like to present to you this evening. It goes to what Mr. Serrano did indicate, as well as the Board of Trustees would like to get some feedback and comment from the

1039
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:38,340
with respect to some of the opportunities that we are presenting in relation to the acquisition

1040
01:18:38,340 --> 01:18:40,660
of that under-in-the-lies parking lot.

1041
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:47,520
So with that, I've joined by Scott Allen on Representative Ownership of the Application

1042
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,920
Kevin, the Cellular Architect for the Project, and the staff of the way to order the presentation

1043
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,220
to be able to slide that for

1044
01:19:08,450 --> 01:19:10,970
you.

1045
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,680
not like this.

1046
01:19:21,770 --> 01:19:23,990
Pressure is kind of for the pressure.

1047
01:19:24,270 --> 01:19:26,290
Good evening ladies and gentlemen.

1048
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:27,610
Good evening.

1049
01:19:28,230 --> 01:19:31,470
So tonight we have before you what we are calling the 2SM development

1050
01:19:31,470 --> 01:19:32,270
before Chester.

1051
01:19:33,850 --> 01:19:39,710
And it is a approximately 347,000 square foot gross development

1052
01:19:41,770 --> 01:19:43,130
residential construction.

1053
01:19:44,490 --> 01:19:46,550
And you are proposing

1054
01:19:48,690 --> 01:19:55,630
that you review our application, see thing, most of the plans and drawings and renderings

1055
01:19:55,630 --> 01:20:02,410
have been presented to you previously. And the majority of the information they are presenting

1056
01:20:02,410 --> 01:20:11,630
this evening is exactly as it has been provided previously. What we have now,

1057
01:20:15,630 --> 01:20:15,630
and then

1058
01:20:15,630 --> 01:20:24,450
to some conceptual approaches as to how the parking lock can be incorporated into our

1059
01:20:24,450 --> 01:20:30,590
development site and the options that he has and he would love to present to you with

1060
01:20:30,590 --> 01:20:45,610
respect to how you can provide the additional concessions of the village in order to get the

1061
01:20:45,610 --> 01:20:53,930
I think a lot of this, just like thank you again for allowing us to present today and talk and see you.

1062
01:20:54,030 --> 01:20:55,610
It's really great to be here.

1063
01:20:56,150 --> 01:20:58,190
I'm going to go to the next slide.

1064
01:20:59,190 --> 01:21:05,390
A couple of the renderings and the existing imagery, I think everybody seen it in our application packet.

1065
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:13,730
This is slide presented to the Board of Trustees to show a superimposed footprint of the development as being felt today,

1066
01:21:13,730 --> 01:21:20,430
as well as an alternative footprint if the lot wasn't, if basically the village lot was

1067
01:21:20,430 --> 01:21:29,450
not included into the development and it's pretty unanimously decided from the five members

1068
01:21:29,450 --> 01:21:36,130
of the Board of Trustees that was there that the obviously the impacts of an expanded footprint

1069
01:21:36,130 --> 01:21:43,070
would greatly help in redeveloping the block and the magnitude of what the development could

1070
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:49,990
help to do in terms of bringing to fruition of the form-based code that has been passed.

1071
01:21:50,910 --> 01:21:51,490
Next slide.

1072
01:21:55,010 --> 01:22:00,810
And so part of our revised packet, we've basically included average grade

1073
01:22:00,810 --> 01:22:06,710
calculations and all standard updates, we'll go to the next slide.

1074
01:22:07,090 --> 01:22:14,510
And these are also existing. And so one of the comments that was made, especially

1075
01:22:15,570 --> 01:22:29,330
by Tony is that essentially, you know, what's wrapped up in our proposal as well as our purchase of the lot is a series of, you know, voluntary urban infrastructure and food.

1076
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:59,120
To just south of the development, we've gotten support to do that. We're also looking to expand basically the sidewalk in front of the development, to take up the parallel parking spaces that are right there and subsequently move compensate with those spaces inside of the development. Also to put a brand new street trees and street lighting as well as bicycle parking there as well.

1077
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:09,600
And so inclusive in that is like all of us wrapped in kind of to our basically integral to the proposal of first thing it.

1078
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:18,500
And so with that, we also are proposing two alternative scenarios that are additive to that.

1079
01:23:19,060 --> 01:23:20,720
And so we'll go to the next slide.

1080
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:45,100
So this is actually a basic, another one of the things that's, as you, we'll see it's in our existing application is we're also in conjunction with expanding the sidewalk, we're also offering to basically push our street front or a retail frontage in by three and a half feet, and it's effectively creating the sidewalk actually right there varies in depth a little bit.

1081
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:52,520
So, but what it will do for the entire frontage of development is create an 18-foot to 21-foot sidewalk.

1082
01:23:53,580 --> 01:23:59,480
You know, dramatically increasing, you know, the pedestrian realm, you know, basically where you walk.

1083
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:14,860
Everything from restaurant, restaurant seating, you know, and an ability really to have a true, you know,

1084
01:24:17,370 --> 01:24:30,330
And so the first additive concept here is proposing a compensation for all of the parking spaces that are currently on the lot itself.

1085
01:24:31,490 --> 01:24:40,350
Bringing them into the development and essentially perpetually, you know, perpetually giving them, you know, to the village.

1086
01:24:40,350 --> 01:24:46,210
Um, the development which shoulder, you know, all operational costs, all electricity, everything

1087
01:24:46,210 --> 01:24:48,950
to build the spaces, obviously, for, you know, part of the development.

1088
01:24:50,050 --> 01:24:55,630
Um, and so that, and in it itself, was outside of a cash payment, um, you know, for the right

1089
01:24:55,630 --> 01:24:55,970
itself.

1090
01:24:56,250 --> 01:25:00,450
That was also, uh, something that we wanted to put inside of, put inside the offer.

1091
01:25:01,030 --> 01:25:05,410
And, um, and again, you know, we had, we had mentioned to the board that it was, is either

1092
01:25:05,410 --> 01:25:07,790
or in terms of these additive scenarios.

1093
01:25:08,710 --> 01:25:14,170
And the other was a proposal for to renovate

1094
01:25:14,170 --> 01:25:15,210
Liberty Square Plaza.

1095
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:19,290
I know for a very long time the village has been

1096
01:25:19,290 --> 01:25:23,270
discussing potentially renovating that and also closing off.

1097
01:25:23,310 --> 01:25:24,010
Basically, what is that?

1098
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:29,970
I guess it turned around right there in front of the front of it.

1099
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:31,710
I'm just looking at it, building has been rebuilt.

1100
01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:38,050
And so, in part of that, we would basically manage that entire process and we would take the

1101
01:25:38,050 --> 01:25:44,110
payment that would otherwise go on as a monetary payment to the law and put that towards

1102
01:25:44,110 --> 01:25:45,210
construction costs.

1103
01:25:45,490 --> 01:25:50,070
We'd also pay for all the design, we would develop it, entertain them with the product.

1104
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:56,510
And so, all of the original infrastructural pieces that were coming as part of our proposal,

1105
01:25:56,510 --> 01:26:02,370
We then layered an either or scenario of a lot of these parking spaces, you know, or the Plaza.

1106
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:06,470
I think a lot of comments that we're had, especially, um,

1107
01:26:08,650 --> 01:26:09,530
uh, trusty breakwood,

1108
01:26:10,190 --> 01:26:16,330
was he was like, if you guys want to do that, we actually happily, you know, pay you to renovate the Plaza.

1109
01:26:16,610 --> 01:26:17,650
So it was a pretty funny comment.

1110
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:26,170
But, uh, I guess so I am, and as Tony was saying earlier, you know, part of our ongoing dialogue together

1111
01:26:26,170 --> 01:26:33,270
is to try and figure out what is the best position for the village? What is the best way that we can

1112
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:41,650
collectively renovate and develop this corner and how can we, you know, ensure that this

1113
01:26:41,650 --> 01:26:48,650
corestone, you know, downtown is, is not appropriately. You know, and I will have a mic,

1114
01:26:48,650 --> 01:26:54,930
going to go ahead and take the chance. I, of course, you know, echo Tony's comments about

1115
01:26:54,930 --> 01:27:01,410
public hearing. I think, you know, welcoming, welcoming the public into this process to hear

1116
01:27:01,410 --> 01:27:07,030
comments from the Board of Trustees would be critical in, you know, all of our determinations

1117
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:12,950
of how to appropriately and responsibly, you know, move forward. And so those are the two that we have.

1118
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:15,550
I don't know, we'll go to the next slide.

1119
01:27:17,010 --> 01:27:20,210
And a few other things are the bottom where examples of, you know, are output parts.

1120
01:27:21,230 --> 01:27:30,770
And so a few of the remaining signs are excerpts from our site planning packet that you all have,

1121
01:27:31,450 --> 01:27:35,270
revise, you know, root plan and landscape diagram.

1122
01:27:35,650 --> 01:27:36,510
I'm going to go to the next one.

1123
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,660
And this is two more.

1124
01:27:41,140 --> 01:27:43,800
So renderings that you've already seen and then one more.

1125
01:27:44,340 --> 01:27:48,660
I believe we want to, yeah, for the next one.

1126
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,040
Okay, last time we were here, it was a comment about,

1127
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,600
that our nine rendering was not the end night enough.

1128
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,900
So we wanted to make sure that, you know, we updated it to,

1129
01:27:58,620 --> 01:28:01,480
as close to midnight as we possibly could,

1130
01:28:01,700 --> 01:28:03,380
and so this is a revised one as well.

1131
01:28:03,740 --> 01:28:06,180
And then a little key plan with the rest of them,

1132
01:28:06,180 --> 01:28:08,820
you know, close shows exactly where this is,

1133
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,200
and, you know, cameraing on one of the stuff.

1134
01:28:12,780 --> 01:28:13,360
I think it's last one.

1135
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:29,400
The Board of Trustees was adamant about that they didn't necessarily want a Sri Kash

1136
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:33,900
payment for the municipal law, so some of the alternatives that you saw the options that

1137
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:36,280
you saw were presented to them.

1138
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:41,080
They would like to get some comment and feedback from the commission, so we're at that

1139
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:41,520
point.

1140
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:48,160
whether or not there's a particular option that you like better or if you're a recommendation back to the Board of Trustees would be a straight payment

1141
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,580
Or if you have any questions about either of the options

1142
01:28:51,580 --> 01:28:58,100
We'll get back to we're gonna hit here for a couple others, but that's it that's you know, I think that's gonna be a big conversation

1143
01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:00,230
We're gonna hear from from Kurt at the moment

1144
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:10,760
Our our

1145
01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:16,220
Cash payment offer was based on our praise well that we had conducted that we also gave the board trustees

1146
01:29:16,220 --> 01:29:22,860
You know, there is very sort of you know land transaction tops around what's just accounting. And so that was actually the basis of

1147
01:29:22,860 --> 01:29:26,040
They catch anything that we spoke about above would

1148
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:32,220
Unless it was a term as a writing like the plot of saying that you know that money would specifically be here

1149
01:29:32,220 --> 01:29:34,060
Martin now for construction costs

1150
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:40,520
But we would also add in more money, you know for basically you know architecture engineering fees, you know all the other things

1151
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:41,940
that would go on with it.

1152
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:42,420
OK.

1153
01:29:44,620 --> 01:29:45,540
Thank you.

1154
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:46,840
Kurt, part two.

1155
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:47,880
Thank you, Chairman.

1156
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:48,820
Yes.

1157
01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:52,560
And again, I recall the details.

1158
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,320
Or, or design for it. I think is an attractive idea. I think it's one time or another. It's

1159
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:11,880
been said by, I believe, the trustees at some of their regular meetings when we were discussing

1160
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:18,720
this. As well as, I think, by the planning commission. In other words, this would be a public

1161
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:29,980
private partnership component where rather than a straight payment for the parking line. That's

1162
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:39,800
This, this seems to me to be an opportunity for, for Liberty Plaza and I can't help but

1163
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:47,220
always be struck by one of the expansive pavement that is that intersection, there's

1164
01:30:47,220 --> 01:30:54,000
the opportunity to narrow some of the, the casin between one side of the street or another.

1165
01:30:55,060 --> 01:31:14,080
I know that in a way we have a work cut out for us in the sense that if I understand correctly there may have been concerns expressed about eliminating that 180 that can be made from North Maine around to lower King.

1166
01:31:15,900 --> 01:31:23,400
I'd like to think that that's not a showstopper, but just having been out there as we

1167
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:27,980
live the lights on the Christmas tree and that ceremony, I mean, it was struck by, we

1168
01:31:27,980 --> 01:31:35,080
obviously, everyone the police took care to protect everyone from traffic, of course, and

1169
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:35,700
that event.

1170
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:43,500
But I think on a day-to-day basis, the only way that you can really disregard how inconvenient

1171
01:31:43,500 --> 01:31:50,480
And safe, it may be for pedestrians, is to become accustomed to it.

1172
01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:54,200
I think that's the only way to really accept that as it is.

1173
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,300
So, personally, I think it's worthwhile.

1174
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:01,200
And I think I was asked to make sure that I made available,

1175
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,800
and speaking with the developer and his team,

1176
01:32:05,980 --> 01:32:10,340
make available previous drawings and slides that have been generated.

1177
01:32:10,340 --> 01:32:14,140
and I have found some of them now in our files from a few years ago.

1178
01:32:14,820 --> 01:32:21,920
So again, I do find that to be an attractive opportunity, and one that perhaps the board

1179
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:29,560
of trustees may appreciate even more than a fair offer for the Department.

1180
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:32,120
Mr. Strato?

1181
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:38,200
Well, because we have to, the those manager is securing an appraisal of the property.

1182
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:45,640
It took some time because apparently the real estate appraiser market is tough to find one of these days.

1183
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:53,200
All busy now after COVID is raining and so we have the manager's retaining an appraiser.

1184
01:32:53,820 --> 01:32:56,060
It should take a couple of weeks to get that appraiser.

1185
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:01,440
At least I don't give the board trustee to the baseline, a monetary baseline for them.

1186
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:08,340
We always talk about, you know, there are two things we need to do, you want to convey property, as a

1187
01:33:08,340 --> 01:33:08,640
village.

1188
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:13,120
One of the GF make sure it's surplus to your village needs, and you get fair consideration.

1189
01:33:14,140 --> 01:33:19,420
In both accounts, the village wouldn't afford that to make those two findings before they

1190
01:33:19,420 --> 01:33:20,800
can convey this property.

1191
01:33:22,140 --> 01:33:26,380
And Mr. Jarfield is talking about, the situation is in the eye to be older.

1192
01:33:26,980 --> 01:33:31,420
It could be something more than a monetary consideration or it could be a combination of

1193
01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:34,740
So that's their decision to make as a policy maker.

1194
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:44,580
Our job here in a very limited fashion so far is to vet out the possibilities and what a

1195
01:33:44,580 --> 01:33:48,880
site plane might look like with that lot in place with the applicant.

1196
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:50,580
So that's our job.

1197
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,760
I have had the opportunity to really vet all this out so I can't give you more than what I've

1198
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:56,240
been telling you tonight so far.

1199
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:57,480
Okay.

1200
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:02,940
Pete from here, I curve.

1201
01:34:04,980 --> 01:34:05,460
Thanks.

1202
01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:11,200
We had some comments on the engineering, the traffic, planning side.

1203
01:34:12,140 --> 01:34:18,840
One of the big ones has to do with an adult when to take a lane stunder, but coordinating

1204
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:24,280
the improvements on South Main Street with DOT.

1205
01:34:25,300 --> 01:34:34,540
and adjacent application, which was before this commission earlier tonight, because they

1206
01:34:34,540 --> 01:34:41,880
conflict. Right. And so we need, you know, we need to kind of work that out as a as a

1207
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:47,860
village and as what understanding what DOT wants. We're going to need to loop Westchester

1208
01:34:47,860 --> 01:34:54,900
county in because clearly they're involved right next door and this isn't new this isn't

1209
01:34:54,900 --> 01:34:59,380
news right this is something we're we were always going to continue to do through the

1210
01:34:59,380 --> 01:35:05,080
course of the application but I do think it's it's important to do because it's a very big

1211
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:17,280
piece of this application obviously there's I'll just stick to my part okay I'll leave I'll let

1212
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:21,700
My piece is actually where we're relatively small, have to do with kind of seeker compliance

1213
01:35:21,700 --> 01:35:30,480
and subsurface information, noise information instruction, but those were kind of the

1214
01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:30,860
big ones.

1215
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:35,720
So I'll let Elaine and Justin kind of take over if they have any other additional big picture

1216
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:36,220
comments.

1217
01:35:36,220 --> 01:35:41,120
Okay, the link are you there?

1218
01:37:49,260 --> 01:37:50,560
Okay, thank you, Elaine.

1219
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:51,380
So,

1220
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:58,440
I think those are a couple of,

1221
01:38:01,480 --> 01:38:06,360
if you will, one, we're still listening to that

1222
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:17,660
One of the patients, one of the lawyers, he left him in as well.

1223
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:20,640
One of the first lawyers,

1224
01:39:23,580 --> 01:39:25,900
one of the patients, one of the lawyers,

1225
01:39:27,780 --> 01:39:29,700
one of the lawyers, and one of the second lawyers, and one of the second lawyers,

1226
01:40:26,630 --> 01:40:28,870
Thank you.

1227
01:40:30,650 --> 01:40:32,050
Thank

1228
01:40:36,530 --> 01:40:36,530
you.

1229
01:40:36,530 --> 01:40:36,910
Justin,

1230
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:47,930
questions from the committee to the applicant or planning departments, bill and

1231
01:40:47,930 --> 01:40:55,380
attorney, and or a little leave you out, Tony, and or a care at this time, Jerry.

1232
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:00,700
No, right now, but my thing on the floor level at this seat for us.

1233
01:41:01,780 --> 01:41:01,920
All right.

1234
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:03,080
Good afternoon.

1235
01:41:03,380 --> 01:41:03,520
Good afternoon.

1236
01:41:04,220 --> 01:41:05,180
I have a couple.

1237
01:41:06,340 --> 01:41:22,220
I'm adjusting in your answers to your questions to the applicant, and especially about the electric, specifically in the wires on east boardway, and they indicate they've got to be relocated according to the fire chief.

1238
01:41:22,700 --> 01:41:36,300
If I'm not, I think correct, I looked at the site plan and it would appear that they took that wire from the building to that post on Worcester Avenue, ran it alongside the buildings that are going to remain in front of their facility.

1239
01:41:37,740 --> 01:41:41,040
I'm not sure if I've read that right, I just want you to take a look at that.

1240
01:41:58,750 --> 01:42:07,190
And there's been a lot of the wire in there that you can find out what we've seen before.

1241
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:14,870
There will be a peer to the wire that's powering over and over and over and over and over.

1242
01:42:15,190 --> 01:42:22,170
So I think that what they've shown, they're narrowing onto it.

1243
01:42:52,210 --> 01:42:58,230
traffic being indicated about the loading zone to be put on south of Main Street. The applicant

1244
01:42:58,230 --> 01:43:03,470
put a portion of south Main Street didn't actually indicate where that's going to be, considering

1245
01:43:03,470 --> 01:43:09,990
they want to take the parking in front of their development and relocate the bus stop. So

1246
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:17,510
Captain, where is this loading zone and then proposed to put the place? And how does it connect to the

1247
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:21,550
building inside, because currently that the hallway still goes out to

1248
01:43:21,550 --> 01:43:24,330
Westchester out, so we need to do this.

1249
01:43:24,750 --> 01:43:30,530
And then over onto the sidewalk in front of the facility, I mean, I

1250
01:43:30,530 --> 01:43:33,350
appreciate the wide-side walks, I think that's great.

1251
01:43:33,610 --> 01:43:36,090
I mean, I wish we could do that to have it run as well.

1252
01:43:36,990 --> 01:43:40,590
However, I was just curious as to why the applicant might not have

1253
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:45,910
pushed in its building front on South May 3, inwards, and kind of

1254
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:52,810
to sign law, not the way the possibility of preserving the parking spots that are either

1255
01:43:52,810 --> 01:43:58,830
into all realized areas and shortage of parking in our downtown area, specific and there.

1256
01:44:01,110 --> 01:44:03,270
So whether you want to address that or not.

1257
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:08,090
So we're providing significantly more parking spaces that are required in the code.

1258
01:44:08,530 --> 01:44:13,010
So we are providing a lot more parking that will be available to public than is otherwise required.

1259
01:44:13,190 --> 01:44:13,870
So that is addressed.

1260
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:19,350
You're a concept of what you want to propose to the village.

1261
01:44:19,870 --> 01:44:21,070
I like both of them.

1262
01:44:21,250 --> 01:44:22,930
We lost with it.

1263
01:44:24,010 --> 01:44:28,470
My concerns are going back to what Curtin was saying about a couple of years back.

1264
01:44:28,690 --> 01:44:33,610
We had a study on our traffic and parking in that particular area.

1265
01:44:34,690 --> 01:44:36,790
And one of the creators called the Uno.

1266
01:44:38,650 --> 01:44:38,950
I believe.

1267
01:44:40,230 --> 01:44:43,630
One of the, one of the,

1268
01:44:44,710 --> 01:44:50,710
we're living squares yes well years ago we spoke about this and one of the ideas

1269
01:44:50,710 --> 01:44:56,550
was taking up lower half a king street behind mainstream yeah and create a lunar

1270
01:45:30,590 --> 01:45:39,230
And to that road, two ways via which is to have a new order left, or to have a new northbound on US-1 to barrel left over there.

1271
01:45:40,210 --> 01:45:48,910
So those were the concerns that I had. I do like the idea that you've winded a little bit towards the 16-18 Main Street.

1272
01:45:50,530 --> 01:45:56,050
So that's one that I think everybody's got to collect the point you think about, but those were some concerns I had.

1273
01:45:56,050 --> 01:46:03,070
One of the things that's here, like that, especially if I could just rest, we'll get, we have not baked in or designed yet.

1274
01:46:03,730 --> 01:46:08,150
So, we'll just try to solicit the quantity of what I'm trying to say if you can cooperate with that.

1275
01:46:08,150 --> 01:46:17,790
When we had that idea of that then, they took the sidewalk on the west side of that first thing's written in the lighting a little bit.

1276
01:46:18,050 --> 01:46:23,010
So, you have it better to say for pedestrian crossway because of the traffic far in that distance.

1277
01:46:23,010 --> 01:46:29,470
So you might want to just kind of see if we can squeeze that in, which are numbers there, if you possibly can make it happen.

1278
01:46:34,670 --> 01:46:43,710
And the last thing I want to ask is your average grade calculation.

1279
01:46:45,450 --> 01:46:48,870
And your site plan on page 007.

1280
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:57,570
You have a bunch of numbers about elevation and come up with your average grade or 22.5.

1281
01:46:58,670 --> 01:47:00,790
How did you come up with that calculation?

1282
01:47:01,330 --> 01:47:02,810
Is it a standard in the industry?

1283
01:47:03,230 --> 01:47:06,230
Is it something village has a record in it?

1284
01:47:06,510 --> 01:47:09,930
Something you just took on returning and just put numbers together?

1285
01:47:10,510 --> 01:47:18,030
And I ask you that because I saw a plan that was submitted I believe to town.

1286
01:47:18,030 --> 01:47:26,790
that show that similar page less amount of numbers than what you've given to us in your

1287
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:30,090
device, site plan with much more numbers.

1288
01:47:30,330 --> 01:47:34,810
Difference of 12 being in here, 44 being in the one that you submitted in the

1289
01:47:34,810 --> 01:47:35,970
revised site plan.

1290
01:47:36,170 --> 01:47:41,630
How did you come up with these requirements of how many elevation points you had to come up with?

1291
01:47:41,630 --> 01:47:42,190
And

1292
01:47:47,090 --> 01:48:01,530
as just to continue the conversation, actually, Justin would continue to come and say to me, you're off there.

1293
01:48:01,550 --> 01:48:03,170
Well, if they want to answer now, that's great.

1294
01:48:03,690 --> 01:48:06,410
I know I thought I'm happy to answer your question for you.

1295
01:48:07,110 --> 01:48:14,950
So we had originally done our average grade calculation with less elevation points around the site.

1296
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:36,190
And we actually commissioned our surveyor to go out and provide even more elevation points around the entire perimeter of the boundary of our development site in order to provide you with the most accurate grade calculation average grade calculation that we possibly could do for you.

1297
01:48:36,190 --> 01:48:47,150
And as you know, if you're familiar with this site, which I'm sure all of you are, there was an over 20-foot great change from South Main Street up to East Broadway.

1298
01:48:49,690 --> 01:49:00,450
So, and that same great change is also apparent in the alleyways in between the existing buildings on the corner of Westchester Avenue,

1299
01:49:00,450 --> 01:49:10,070
And the boardering property line of our development site and the proposed addition of the village parking lot that is there.

1300
01:49:10,810 --> 01:49:15,650
So we added as many elevation points as we could around the entire perimeter,

1301
01:49:15,650 --> 01:49:20,730
at least that we could add.

1302
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:23,610
And that's the way that we calculated this.

1303
01:49:23,610 --> 01:49:49,310
And that great level that is on South Maine, which is covering our retail space, is actually more than 50% below the average grade calculation, which would define that as a, as a seller, which by definition in the, the zoning code does not count as a story, but that's, that's where we've arrived.

1304
01:49:53,970 --> 01:50:02,710
We've run the numbers about a hundred different ways to be honest with you and we're within a couple inches one way or another.

1305
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:11,890
So, you know, it really, it's dependent on the height of the story and where it is in relationship to the average grade calculation.

1306
01:50:12,730 --> 01:50:18,950
I'm going to work with clients with all of the required ceiling heights and in the level

1307
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:25,190
heights, both for the seller and for the first floor, that would be considered a story as

1308
01:50:25,190 --> 01:50:26,010
well.

1309
01:50:31,380 --> 01:50:31,600
Yeah.

1310
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:37,860
Also, a comment for making our efforts to add more points to increase the accuracy and calculation.

1311
01:50:38,820 --> 01:50:45,000
So we actually had significant, significant more, we just thought giving a point every foot

1312
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:46,380
I've been a little bit overkill.

1313
01:50:47,260 --> 01:50:52,640
And that's from there's no, there is no definition in the code of how many points for that

1314
01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:59,320
point should be, you know, every 10 feet every 20 feet every foot, it doesn't say as far

1315
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:01,680
as I know, there's no industry standard.

1316
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:09,340
I think, you know, we kind of do the best we can and try to make sure that no one's overloading

1317
01:51:09,340 --> 01:51:16,680
the high points, undercounting the low points, which I don't think is what's happening here.

1318
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:23,920
That's what I was, you know, concerned about not on this application, but in general.

1319
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:28,140
Sure. And I wish there was a standard, every 10 feet, every 20 feet, every whatever.

1320
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:32,760
Even then, you could easily, you know, touch the numbers.

1321
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:39,860
and I think adding a lot of numbers does help and kind of with this site almost anyway

1322
01:51:39,860 --> 01:51:47,080
is slice it and probably going to come out in there just to be just to be clear the elevation

1323
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:53,420
that you presented in that plan did not include the footprint of this municipal lock that

1324
01:51:54,100 --> 01:52:01,620
like be added is that not the kid no it does it it does include that lock include that yes okay so

1325
01:52:01,620 --> 01:52:08,340
the revised proposal that's changing on you know from the from the outset the application

1326
01:52:08,340 --> 01:52:16,320
included that village owned lot yeah and once you actually get up there that's pretty much at

1327
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:19,820
the same elevation I want you to get up to easy Broadway

1328
01:52:23,470 --> 01:52:27,130
okay I think there's just a couple

1329
01:52:27,130 --> 01:52:29,750
questions. The parking is done.

1330
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:34,040
All going to be automated, or is there any self-parking or is all automated?

1331
01:52:40,340 --> 01:52:47,580
What was actually going to be sitting on that property? Is it going to be 12 stories of apartments?

1332
01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:53,800
Is it outdoor space? What is actually sitting? Are you proposing to sit on that building department?

1333
01:52:54,680 --> 01:53:01,000
Well, it's going to be a portion of the building and the retail that's proposed is going

1334
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:06,740
to be on the Westchester Avenue and South Maine and the rear portion is not proposed

1335
01:53:06,740 --> 01:53:07,440
to be retail.

1336
01:53:07,500 --> 01:53:14,140
It is proposed to be at that elevation that's going to be residential going up.

1337
01:53:16,440 --> 01:53:17,000
Residential.

1338
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:18,120
I had

1339
01:53:20,170 --> 01:53:21,130
a question about Metro North,

1340
01:53:21,390 --> 01:53:24,710
but just in covered it, and that's all right.

1341
01:53:24,870 --> 01:53:26,350
Now, thank you.

1342
01:53:26,610 --> 01:53:26,930
Juliana?

1343
01:53:28,490 --> 01:53:29,830
Yeah, in terms of parking,

1344
01:53:30,250 --> 01:53:32,710
like how will the people not available parking

1345
01:53:33,380 --> 01:53:36,970
in the building, as opposed to on the street

1346
01:53:36,970 --> 01:53:38,870
where you keep, there's an open spot,

1347
01:53:38,930 --> 01:53:41,150
how will people know if there's available parking

1348
01:53:41,150 --> 01:53:43,250
on the inside means not a full lot,

1349
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:44,850
so they don't create traffic.

1350
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:51,240
So we haven't been discussing operational procedures

1351
01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:56,580
for identifying, you know, just like that. I mean, a few things we've been talking about

1352
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:01,280
or, you know, could be something as simple as a, you know, a light or a sign that shows,

1353
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:07,740
you know, availability or not availability. Since there are, the two are just one

1354
01:54:07,740 --> 01:54:12,540
to also be clear about the difference. So the, the 14 spaces would be, you know,

1355
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:18,320
perpetually given to, um, given to the village and, you know, manage and run and all that

1356
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:20,200
by the operations building.

1357
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:28,540
The other spaces would also come into the, also come into the development, but they would not

1358
01:54:28,540 --> 01:54:29,620
be part of that 14.

1359
01:54:29,860 --> 01:54:35,020
They would still be set aside for retail tenants and things on an operational basis, you

1360
01:54:35,020 --> 01:54:40,100
know, we would need to be 12 retail tenants, or if it needs to be, you know, 10, it wouldn't

1361
01:54:40,100 --> 01:54:42,360
be anything less than what's already currently there.

1362
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:48,300
But those are some operational questions that I think we need to, we need to find when

1363
01:54:48,300 --> 01:54:53,240
one of these, you know, scenarios selected, but it is something that, you know, we have to discuss that.

1364
01:54:57,460 --> 01:54:57,980
Okay.

1365
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:00,080
If anything else, let me know.

1366
01:55:01,220 --> 01:55:01,260
Here.

1367
01:55:02,660 --> 01:55:02,820
Yeah.

1368
01:55:03,100 --> 01:55:03,380
Okay.

1369
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:06,100
I set a couple of questions.

1370
01:55:10,030 --> 01:55:13,210
So generally looking at the two options.

1371
01:55:13,830 --> 01:55:17,290
I like the liberty square option between the two,

1372
01:55:17,290 --> 01:55:18,990
between the two conversations.

1373
01:55:19,310 --> 01:55:21,550
I'd rather spend time on the liberty square,

1374
01:55:21,550 --> 01:55:26,730
with the square conversation than the other one. So I know Kurt, you're looking for some initial

1375
01:55:26,730 --> 01:55:31,150
feedback from the planning commission, so that's my initial feedback.

1376
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:36,030
I care a Peter, as I was

1377
01:55:36,030 --> 01:55:44,370
looking at some of the memo in the initial one on the 14th, and looking at this application,

1378
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:50,790
the pedestrian traffic, right, with the expanded sidewalk and the volume of people,

1379
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:55,390
And that intersection, because we talked about that intersection and we all know this intersection.

1380
01:55:56,610 --> 01:55:58,590
It's a very wide intersection.

1381
01:56:00,730 --> 01:56:03,770
It's in for me. It's problematic to cross.

1382
01:56:03,990 --> 01:56:06,330
You got to be on your toes, which crossed that intersection.

1383
01:56:07,950 --> 01:56:14,710
I was curious about additional steps that are being made this a question for Elaine,

1384
01:56:15,730 --> 01:56:20,210
regarding pedestrian traffic improvements for that intersection.

1385
01:56:20,210 --> 01:56:25,610
I know we have a lot going on, you've got a detailed deal on the other side, and I always

1386
01:56:25,610 --> 01:56:31,730
like going on, but while we're here, I'd like to spend the time to talk about pedestrian

1387
01:56:34,210 --> 01:56:39,430
opportunities for improving pedestrian experience to cross this intersection as it

1388
01:56:39,430 --> 01:56:40,510
relates to this application.

1389
01:56:41,770 --> 01:56:44,790
So Elaine, maybe I'll start with you, and then I'll follow up with Peter.

1390
01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:45,970
I'll leave you there.

1391
01:57:17,660 --> 01:57:21,800
There's not a whole lot of things for that, but there may be a lot of opportunities

1392
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:23,440
that you have for instance.

1393
01:57:24,820 --> 01:57:30,460
You know, I have a left corner, and I'm going to try to make sure that we're there

1394
01:57:30,460 --> 01:57:34,680
because we need to be sure that left room to have a crosswalk.

1395
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:37,000
And we need to let this begin.

1396
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:38,000
We need to let this begin.

1397
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:39,280
We need to let this begin.

1398
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:40,700
We need to let this begin.

1399
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:44,840
We need to let this begin.

1400
01:57:44,840 --> 01:58:00,700
but I think we need to, I mean, let's try it out there and we really might have to go and talk about what we're going to talk about what we're going to talk about.

1401
01:58:01,220 --> 01:58:01,480
Okay, so.

1402
01:58:20,980 --> 01:58:33,000
Okay, so perhaps for next time, I've heard early from myself, I don't feel like rest of the commission is interested in this, but I've had to write some additional feedback and we only received the CARF members laid on Friday.

1403
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:37,860
we'll obviously respond to those prior to preparing before you get the next meeting, that's great, that's great.

1404
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:46,920
But yeah, I would like to continue to spend a bit more time on the pedestrian traffic experience as it relates to this property on this corner,

1405
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:54,000
so at the very least if we could improve at least how this corner interacts with,

1406
01:58:55,720 --> 01:59:14,540
I think that would be, if we could go all the way around, that would be great too, but at the very least, you know, that's my initial thoughts, but so Kirk is your initial feedback and I prefer the Liberty Square conversation versus the embedded parking conversation.

1407
01:59:15,100 --> 01:59:22,600
Yes, and actually the obviously some overlap between the pedestrian improvements that we've been speaking about for a few moments and and Liberty Square.

1408
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:40,360
So I realized that there are limitations to what the applicant may be able to do, but we're going to investigate those possibilities and present them in the most likely unified fashion to the Board of Trustees and see what they make of it all.

1409
01:59:40,360 --> 01:59:49,660
And I'm glad Elaine and Peter raised the point that they took a couple of points off of my list here.

1410
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:56,680
Regarding how this application is going to interact or overlap or not with the application,

1411
01:59:57,340 --> 01:59:59,260
either adjacent to it, or

1412
01:59:59,260 --> 01:59:59,980
pretty close to it.

1413
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,800
And how it's going to work with the rest of that street. Right? I mean, we don't need to go that far, but the commission should be thinking a little bit more about, you know, are we looking?

1414
02:00:11,020 --> 02:00:20,120
As far as Liberty Square, you know, I think is an open conversation as to whether or not that that little you turn gets removed or not.

1415
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:23,020
I think that's something that could be discussed more.

1416
02:00:23,020 --> 02:00:30,120
Some people love it. Some people are like, why is this here? So it depends upon, I guess, how many decades you've been living here?

1417
02:00:30,440 --> 02:00:36,220
Yeah, I mean, well, I've obviously, I've obviously only been here for a limited amount of time.

1418
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:46,980
I don't see a lot of use of it. I do wonder as far as trucks making that turn to gain access to get to places on lower King Street.

1419
02:00:46,980 --> 02:00:53,820
I do have to question, how what type of truck is his maneuvering before they're

1420
02:00:53,820 --> 02:00:54,800
driving up on purpose?

1421
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:59,220
People just trying to beat the light or something, I mean, I understand,

1422
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:02,700
for taxing circulation,

1423
02:01:03,300 --> 02:01:08,100
I think that that may be it's most used.

1424
02:01:09,940 --> 02:01:21,780
So I think that topic is something that could continue to be discussed as we walk through or move through that liberty square conversation. Hopefully there's consensus on that.

1425
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:26,620
And to the point where Mr. Chairman, and you may still have additional comments on the question,

1426
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:31,260
but only two of the commissioners did apply it on which concept or concepts they like.

1427
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:35,540
So again, I would ask if those commissioners did not give an opinion.

1428
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:37,300
We were stuck in a request if you could.

1429
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:40,420
Just so we provide guidance to us and provide guidance to the Board of Trustees.

1430
02:01:41,100 --> 02:01:41,700
Start on the side.

1431
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:47,920
So Matt, between the two concepts on a high level would you,

1432
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:55,540
So what you thought on embedding the parking that would be lost from this slot into the

1433
02:01:55,540 --> 02:01:59,240
option one I think, and then we're option two is renovating Liberty Square

1434
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:02,760
on curious

1435
02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:08,920
as to, so the parking would be gift some of the spaces we're losing in the municipal

1436
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:20,460
lot being given to the town in perpetuity, but operated by the developer and the owner

1437
02:02:20,460 --> 02:02:25,940
there, who gets that revenue? Does that devolve to the operator? Or is there going to be a payment

1438
02:02:25,940 --> 02:02:31,240
with kind on an annual basis or something to the village? Because there's lots of revenue there.

1439
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:39,580
So, so the right now, as you may be aware, the municipal out is a completely underutilized

1440
02:02:39,580 --> 02:02:43,980
lot. But we would anticipate, and again, this will be part of the negotiation that we would have,

1441
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:48,320
which is sort of the struggle in the Board of Trustees, but it will be anticipated that the revenue

1442
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:49,380
would go to the village.

1443
02:02:52,930 --> 02:02:54,250
As far as

1444
02:02:57,290 --> 02:03:02,310
actually our proposal and that one was that a payment is like

1445
02:03:02,310 --> 02:03:09,410
a simple, you know, fee-simple payment for buying a property that that would be ultimately

1446
02:03:09,410 --> 02:03:14,590
payment that would go to the village and then any future revenue would actually go to the developer.

1447
02:03:15,210 --> 02:03:23,770
You know, that said, I think it was trusty, high-on, dis-study, right in the tonic

1448
02:03:23,770 --> 02:03:24,570
initial product.

1449
02:03:24,770 --> 02:03:25,030
Right, right.

1450
02:03:25,310 --> 02:03:29,270
But did a rehearsal report is to how much revenue actually comes from that?

1451
02:03:29,330 --> 02:03:34,250
A year to the original, and it was trusty pay-on's comments, yes, I think it's $2,500

1452
02:03:34,250 --> 02:03:35,410
a year.

1453
02:03:35,610 --> 02:03:44,490
And it generates them, so our payment, as well as the older upgrades were, that is payment.

1454
02:03:44,490 --> 02:03:49,530
in that scenario. And then also perpetually getting this base, as well as kind of calculating,

1455
02:03:49,530 --> 02:03:54,830
you know, we, we have to make to construct those 14 spaces or something like 1.4 million

1456
02:03:54,830 --> 02:03:59,470
dollars when you actually include it in the basic stuff. So the fees would come back to that,

1457
02:04:00,010 --> 02:04:05,770
okay. But that's the business deal. That's what the board trust is. Right. Yeah, we're just trying

1458
02:04:05,770 --> 02:04:12,350
to develop an opinion on generally another high level, which concept we're more interested in

1459
02:04:12,350 --> 02:04:15,690
exploring if we could have one or the other. Not both.

1460
02:04:18,970 --> 02:04:20,150
Yeah, it's an order.

1461
02:04:22,790 --> 02:04:29,970
So if you have any thoughts on which one you're interested in exploring more than the other, I think liberty square leads to.

1462
02:04:30,210 --> 02:04:39,830
I like the idea of improvements in liberty square. So I think I would need more in that direction, but it's still pretty early in the stage.

1463
02:04:39,830 --> 02:04:47,490
to, you know, I would, I would, you know, declare myself for that, you know, I would

1464
02:04:47,490 --> 02:04:47,890
be there.

1465
02:04:48,910 --> 02:04:53,130
Do you understand that the problem with the commission is not putting us in is if we

1466
02:04:53,650 --> 02:04:58,570
don't develop either scenario and now, then we'll never get to a public hearing.

1467
02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:04,060
So again, we're looking for a comment on which way you would like us to go to with the Board

1468
02:05:04,060 --> 02:05:06,520
of Trustees towards the Liberty Square.

1469
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:23,680
Okay, I'm sorry for two, I didn't say anything, but the livery squares nice, but what's the two value of that property?

1470
02:05:24,260 --> 02:05:26,960
That's why we have an appraisal and we're waiting for the villages appraisal.

1471
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:31,620
You're putting them, you're going to have apartments, you're going to be generating income for the next 50 years.

1472
02:05:32,620 --> 02:05:36,820
So $300,000 for the property doesn't really make sense.

1473
02:05:37,140 --> 02:05:40,060
So I'd like to see what the true value of that property is

1474
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:43,240
with your apartments on there.

1475
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:44,980
And then you could get something to the village.

1476
02:05:49,670 --> 02:05:52,130
All right, I tell you, completely understand it.

1477
02:05:53,070 --> 02:05:57,290
Well, Mr. Paul, the thing is for the true value,

1478
02:05:57,550 --> 02:06:00,310
another way to answer that is if we develop around that parcel,

1479
02:06:00,890 --> 02:06:02,610
you'll never be able to develop that for anything else.

1480
02:06:05,710 --> 02:06:10,150
But do you have a preference on either one, assuming we move forward the board of trustees?

1481
02:06:10,970 --> 02:06:11,930
Do you want to move this way?

1482
02:06:12,070 --> 02:06:12,390
Thank you.

1483
02:06:13,870 --> 02:06:17,730
I want to go all the way around the intersection.

1484
02:06:19,770 --> 02:06:20,190
To have?

1485
02:06:22,860 --> 02:06:24,900
I do like the idea of moving this way.

1486
02:06:26,260 --> 02:06:26,500
Thank you.

1487
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:27,540
Do you?

1488
02:06:27,860 --> 02:06:28,120
Yep.

1489
02:06:28,420 --> 02:06:28,760
I do.

1490
02:06:29,020 --> 02:06:29,460
As well.

1491
02:06:29,460 --> 02:06:30,800
Oh, yeah.

1492
02:06:36,050 --> 02:06:44,450
Because it's so many, I'm defined for the Westchester having self-made straight things

1493
02:06:44,450 --> 02:06:47,410
that are still not clear in the middle of the square.

1494
02:06:48,010 --> 02:06:48,310
Okay.

1495
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:49,830
Okay.

1496
02:06:50,330 --> 02:06:51,430
Thank you for your feedback.

1497
02:06:52,050 --> 02:06:52,590
Up to our level.

1498
02:06:54,690 --> 02:06:54,930
Yeah.

1499
02:06:55,190 --> 02:06:57,830
Certainly both is our number one option, right?

1500
02:06:59,370 --> 02:07:04,110
And then Liberty Square Deluxe is the second option, right, going all the way around

1501
02:07:04,110 --> 02:07:09,750
or pedestrian improvement, but Tony, you heard some initial feedback regarding that whole

1502
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:13,670
appraisal topic, but that's for the board of trustees to deal with this deal.

1503
02:07:13,890 --> 02:07:17,230
That's a business deal, so that happens on their side.

1504
02:07:20,050 --> 02:07:25,450
So, so next to us, Mr. Duke, I'm presenting up, because we provided you that feedback and

1505
02:07:25,450 --> 02:07:27,490
on option one or two.

1506
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:39,160
We received a first memorandum, obviously, we're going to respond to that prior to meeting with you again, your next time we have a little bit of extra time because of the meetings are falling.

1507
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:47,000
So this is very good information and feedback as it relates to the options because we are appearing for the Board of Trustees on the 24th.

1508
02:07:47,740 --> 02:07:58,100
I guess the only other thing is I think I heard the majority of the commission, but I would again ask you to reconsider scheduling a public hearing, because in getting a public hearing, we'll get a comment from the public.

1509
02:07:58,100 --> 02:08:03,920
you can keep that public hearing open. It doesn't preclude you at any point. The Board of Trustees says no

1510
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:09,420
forward of a reason. Then we don't have that. We have to change our entire plan and the plan

1511
02:08:09,420 --> 02:08:14,660
will have to change before you. Just like if there are other applicants and applications that

1512
02:08:14,660 --> 02:08:20,040
need to change because of something that goes back from DOT, where comes back from Sue as,

1513
02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:21,880
I don't know, what are might they?

1514
02:08:27,950 --> 02:08:31,330
Concept 1 and 2 would be maybe swear at least once

1515
02:08:31,330 --> 02:08:33,750
and you input from what traffic it's in here.

1516
02:08:33,990 --> 02:08:36,610
It's a volume of change in what happens there.

1517
02:08:37,070 --> 02:08:40,570
I'd like to include them in discussions.

1518
02:08:41,350 --> 02:08:43,330
Because we are able to kind of...

1519
02:08:43,330 --> 02:08:45,590
Indeed, we could be currently to give you a direction

1520
02:08:45,590 --> 02:08:46,470
which I appreciate.

1521
02:08:47,710 --> 02:08:49,690
We would anticipate that their input,

1522
02:08:49,890 --> 02:08:51,590
or T's input, are going to be critically important

1523
02:08:51,590 --> 02:08:53,770
as we develop and design what that looks like.

1524
02:08:53,770 --> 02:08:59,390
But we're not going to go down that path until we get a direction of the board of trustees the plan

1525
02:08:59,390 --> 02:09:04,810
Which we're maybe this is where you know the direction we'd like to investigate and as we investigated

1526
02:09:04,810 --> 02:09:08,510
We say, oh wow, we didn't think about X Y Z that makes no sense whatsoever

1527
02:09:08,510 --> 02:09:14,430
And that's where we're back to option one were to restrict cash payment. We don't know

1528
02:09:17,090 --> 02:09:18,730
What's the question

1529
02:09:18,730 --> 02:09:21,210
question whether if you go to public hearing?

1530
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:22,210
That is it.

1531
02:09:22,470 --> 02:09:25,310
We, I thought, discussed that before we started out.

1532
02:09:26,730 --> 02:09:27,790
And I don't blame it.

1533
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:29,910
I don't blame the attorney for trying to bring it up again.

1534
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:33,970
But I think this board collectively did not want to proceed to a public hearing.

1535
02:09:34,290 --> 02:09:36,850
They wanted to advise the Board of Trustees to give them the input.

1536
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:39,810
I think the next meeting of the Board of Trustees would be very informative

1537
02:09:39,810 --> 02:09:40,530
meeting.

1538
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:43,070
I think the Board of Trustees will have to make a decision.

1539
02:09:43,210 --> 02:09:47,950
One way or the other on whether or not they wish to even convey their property in the first place.

1540
02:09:48,590 --> 02:09:59,070
It probably is, and I'm going to give some of you all a little bit of credit there, perhaps we should not pre-judge the board in deciding that issue right there,

1541
02:09:59,910 --> 02:10:01,830
whether or not they wish to convey it in the first place.

1542
02:10:02,750 --> 02:10:07,050
I think you've given them a lot of feedback. I think it's very useful. I think it helps them to make their decision.

1543
02:10:08,050 --> 02:10:12,050
Would it appraisal on our side to support it? I think the progress is being made.

1544
02:10:13,750 --> 02:10:17,330
I can't give any more recommendation on that.

1545
02:10:17,450 --> 02:10:18,410
It's sure it's not perceived.

1546
02:10:19,250 --> 02:10:20,350
Your judgment not mind.

1547
02:10:22,690 --> 02:10:26,270
I believe we should adjourn it, leave it in public meeting,

1548
02:10:26,570 --> 02:10:31,310
and look forward to hearing from them, and a care on this matter next month.

1549
02:10:33,250 --> 02:10:34,050
Thank you very much.

1550
02:10:34,750 --> 02:10:35,010
Okay.

1551
02:10:36,170 --> 02:10:39,350
Now, I don't believe we need a motion because it's in a public meeting stage.

1552
02:10:40,390 --> 02:10:40,550
Okay.

1553
02:10:41,470 --> 02:10:42,130
Thank you all.

1554
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:43,010
Thank you.

1555
02:10:43,010 --> 02:10:43,590
Thank you very much.

1556
02:10:43,610 --> 02:10:44,610
Please see you next month.

1557
02:10:47,310 --> 02:10:48,470
Thank you all for the time.

1558
02:10:48,730 --> 02:10:50,630
Thank you.

1559
02:10:53,060 --> 02:11:01,240
Next item on our agenda, case 2021-0219, a continued public meeting on 229-Willet Avenue.

1560
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:15,240
Good evening.

1561
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:15,800
Good evening.

1562
02:11:16,080 --> 02:11:16,300
Mr Chairman?

1563
02:11:17,780 --> 02:11:18,080
Yes.

1564
02:11:18,340 --> 02:11:19,400
That's going to keep on happening.

1565
02:11:20,100 --> 02:11:20,160
Yes.

1566
02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:22,820
A frequent fire.

1567
02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:23,600
That's right.

1568
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:24,680
Good evening again.

1569
02:11:25,080 --> 02:11:25,540
Members of the Commission.

1570
02:11:25,780 --> 02:11:26,500
Just for the record.

1571
02:11:26,820 --> 02:11:27,300
David Cooper.

1572
02:11:27,300 --> 02:11:29,400
Department of the Law for Reservoir and Insignments.

1573
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:35,080
Here, representing Willet Avenue Apartments LLC, Willet Avenue Apartments is the contract

1574
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:37,400
vending to purchase 229 Willet Avenue.

1575
02:11:38,060 --> 02:11:42,820
The proposal is an 80 unit mixed income residential project at the site.

1576
02:11:43,620 --> 02:11:49,280
With me tonight is Robert Deacon from NRP, which is the developer, as well as James Carrus

1577
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:53,360
and Diego Little Valley, from JMC, the project engineers.

1578
02:11:54,260 --> 02:12:00,620
At the last meeting, there were a couple of open questions with respect to waivers from design

1579
02:12:00,620 --> 02:12:06,640
requirements in the form-based code. I'm here happy to report tonight that the applicant has

1580
02:12:06,640 --> 02:12:11,840
kind of gone back to the drawing board a little bit on the architectural side and has eliminated

1581
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:16,860
the need for any of the waivers that we were discussing before. So, some of someone else will have to

1582
02:12:16,860 --> 02:12:19,300
to dig into that issue in another patient.

1583
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:21,180
You know, I was number one on my list

1584
02:12:21,180 --> 02:12:22,480
about that whole waiver topic.

1585
02:12:24,020 --> 02:12:29,720
So what they've done is they have modified the architectural facade

1586
02:12:29,720 --> 02:12:33,020
such that it would meet not only your existing requirements

1587
02:12:33,020 --> 02:12:36,320
to form this code, but the proposed changes

1588
02:12:37,100 --> 02:12:38,200
to the requirements.

1589
02:12:38,920 --> 02:12:43,040
Also, the wall and fence question has been resolved

1590
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:46,240
such that the proposed retaining wall will meet

1591
02:12:46,240 --> 02:12:47,960
the requirements and won't be available.

1592
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:52,480
So with that, we believe all of the sort of open questions

1593
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:55,440
about zoning and compliance with the code

1594
02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:59,420
have the answer, and so we would ask you tonight to schedule

1595
02:12:59,420 --> 02:13:02,640
this for public hearing and move the process

1596
02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:05,360
to the public on the stage.

1597
02:13:07,020 --> 02:13:09,020
OK, thank you.

1598
02:13:09,220 --> 02:13:10,880
Kurt, in the plan of argument.

1599
02:13:11,720 --> 02:13:14,720
Yes, so following up on one of the topics

1600
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:21,360
for this application. I did get a hold of and speak, and I think Peter, we were there

1601
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:25,920
with you on that poll and I wasn't able to join. Okay, I'm trying to think of who was there.

1602
02:13:26,940 --> 02:13:32,400
So in any case, it was with the State Historic Preservation Office and a review or an

1603
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:34,880
name Sloan below.

1604
02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:44,340
So what you reported is that there is some discussion going on which you

1605
02:13:44,340 --> 02:13:52,920
perpetuate between the agency and the applicant regarding alternatives to demolition

1606
02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:53,640
the whole site.

1607
02:13:53,940 --> 02:14:03,160
Now I know that obviously the plan before us is complete redevelopment of this site, but

1608
02:14:03,160 --> 02:14:11,620
there doesn't need to be a conclusion to that, and the board's lead agency is responsible

1609
02:14:11,620 --> 02:14:12,600
for that.

1610
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:19,460
And I will mention that on the full EIF, it does indicate that I believe it's the Office

1611
02:14:19,460 --> 02:14:26,220
of Housing and Community Renewal at the state level, it does offer some funding for projects

1612
02:14:26,220 --> 02:14:29,100
like this that are all inclusive housing.

1613
02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:33,740
So without, and that was, that was noted as necessary.

1614
02:14:34,760 --> 02:14:40,480
So there is, that does elevate Chippo to an involved agency as opposed to an interest

1615
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:47,520
agency under secret. However, so far I have not gotten the impression that the agency

1616
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:56,760
is casual about throwing it, throwing that power around or exerting that power.

1617
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,340
The discussions about alternatives to typically demolition and merely a plaque commemorating the

1618
02:15:10,340 --> 02:15:18,400
site and the structures on it that there may be more fruitful than it has been so far. Obviously,

1619
02:15:18,580 --> 02:15:24,840
I don't want to pretend that there isn't an application before it's that proposed is to use the

1620
02:15:24,840 --> 02:15:29,460
tire to redevelop into developing a project at the scale.

1621
02:15:30,940 --> 02:15:32,480
So, okay, thank you, Kurt.

1622
02:15:33,820 --> 02:15:35,060
You want to jump in before we move on?

1623
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:37,380
I guess I'm just to piggyback on that.

1624
02:15:37,420 --> 02:15:41,080
And I don't know, Kurt, when you're discussion we should go

1625
02:15:41,080 --> 02:15:41,340
occur.

1626
02:15:41,560 --> 02:15:42,540
We've been going back and forth.

1627
02:15:42,680 --> 02:15:44,240
I've been asking if you'd spoken with them.

1628
02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:47,220
So, in the Sumi, it was built in the last couple of days or so.

1629
02:15:47,540 --> 02:15:48,660
But it was the last couple of days.

1630
02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:51,980
So, the applicant has submitted, and this is a while ago,

1631
02:15:51,980 --> 02:15:57,420
a pretty robust alternative analysis because the question that Shepa was been asking is, is there

1632
02:15:57,420 --> 02:16:03,720
any way to incorporate some of the existing buildings into the proposed redevelopment

1633
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:08,300
and from a structural and architectural and compliance with the form of his code, frankly,

1634
02:16:09,080 --> 02:16:12,840
there really is not, but it's not just a sort of fact of an applicant analysis.

1635
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:17,660
A full blown analysis has been submitted, and I think the curb probably has seen it,

1636
02:16:18,160 --> 02:16:20,980
because they're on the Chris system, they get the notification as well.

1637
02:16:20,980 --> 02:16:24,700
We weren't privy to the conversation, at least I have not been privy to the conversation

1638
02:16:24,700 --> 02:16:32,820
between the reviewer, but we believe Shippo has in its possession the study that they're

1639
02:16:32,820 --> 02:16:37,660
looking for, the determine whether or not you can really preserve the building and

1640
02:16:37,660 --> 02:16:41,380
redevelop it in a way that it's been envisioned by this applicant.

1641
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:47,240
The question of mitigation, which I would submit is different from the

1642
02:16:47,240 --> 02:16:52,760
in Alice's, in other words, once this is a termination that, yes, demolition is necessary

1643
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:57,380
but what are the mitigation measures to prove to somehow commemorate reserves as much as possible

1644
02:16:57,380 --> 02:17:03,100
the historic qualities of the site? That's different. I don't believe the proposal is just

1645
02:17:03,100 --> 02:17:11,140
just one plaque, but to try to incorporate some of the characteristics of the church and

1646
02:17:11,140 --> 02:17:16,660
some of the buildings into the new building. Unfortunately, that could be with us here tonight,

1647
02:17:17,380 --> 02:17:21,720
but we could certainly go through that with the commission, but rest assured, it's not

1648
02:17:21,720 --> 02:17:26,920
just saying what we're just going to throw a plaque up and that'll be it. Unfortunately,

1649
02:17:28,100 --> 02:17:34,960
because of the way that it works procedurally where in this case is involved in the agency,

1650
02:17:34,960 --> 02:17:37,860
because of the potential state funding.

1651
02:17:39,420 --> 02:17:45,140
They've been waiting for what they thought would be the only agency, the state agency to weigh in.

1652
02:17:45,140 --> 02:17:50,600
I think they've just now have the correct realize that there's also your review occurring.

1653
02:17:50,960 --> 02:17:54,640
And frankly, as the lead agency, they need to weigh in for you.

1654
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:57,580
At the end of the day, this commission, whether you're here from Shepro or not,

1655
02:17:57,580 --> 02:18:00,720
will have to make an determination to significant something and determination

1656
02:18:00,720 --> 02:18:05,740
about the adequacy of the preservation of the mitigation measures, whether they're who

1657
02:18:05,740 --> 02:18:06,440
should know or not.

1658
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:11,020
So I'm assuming that hopefully they've gotten the measures that they need to get back

1659
02:18:11,020 --> 02:18:11,940
to you with their comments.

1660
02:18:12,960 --> 02:18:19,160
But that being said, the terms of analysis has been submitted, that that's available to public

1661
02:18:19,160 --> 02:18:20,420
as well as to the knowledge.

1662
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:21,700
Okay.

1663
02:18:21,940 --> 02:18:25,280
There are knowledge, I should vote, that they have received it.

1664
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:31,040
I don't think they consider it a complete discussion, but let's put it this way.

1665
02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:37,640
That was my understanding of the conversation, but let's put it this way.

1666
02:18:38,960 --> 02:18:44,800
The agency does seem interested in any comments that the commission may have.

1667
02:18:45,740 --> 02:18:45,960
Okay.

1668
02:18:47,120 --> 02:18:48,660
Peter, take care of.

1669
02:18:48,660 --> 02:18:56,810
So I certainly didn't have any comments that ship a conversation, you know, was one of

1670
02:18:56,810 --> 02:18:56,970
them.

1671
02:18:57,050 --> 02:19:02,390
I just was not able to join for that part of it, but we're happy to continue that conversation

1672
02:19:02,390 --> 02:19:10,650
with Kurt and ship a, and as Mr. Cooper said, it's this board's responsibility to issue

1673
02:19:10,650 --> 02:19:16,610
a finding of significance, whether it could be mitigated, not mitigated, alternatives comes

1674
02:19:16,610 --> 02:19:22,490
after, who really is the significant of the impact that needs to be determined.

1675
02:19:23,830 --> 02:19:25,450
So obviously ship a little way in.

1676
02:19:25,550 --> 02:19:35,290
And then I know we received some more information from JMC today on the parking, and we're

1677
02:19:35,290 --> 02:19:41,750
going over that as well on the study that they did of this running area.

1678
02:19:46,150 --> 02:19:48,030
I don't know if we've had time to review it.

1679
02:19:48,030 --> 02:19:49,970
I think we've literally just got it today.

1680
02:20:12,170 --> 02:20:16,970
And it's been 30 minutes passed, and then it's going to be a pretty different direction.

1681
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:21,670
It's going to be early morning, hours, and morning, and time, and yeah.

1682
02:20:22,330 --> 02:20:28,770
I want to thank all those who know the path to the level, and all the time.

1683
02:20:29,050 --> 02:20:30,890
It's going to be a full amount of time to the level.

1684
02:20:31,050 --> 02:20:33,990
It's going to be a very practical level, so it's going to be more than hours.

1685
02:20:35,570 --> 02:20:40,510
And there were also opportunities to train a particular relationship with a lot more.

1686
02:20:40,510 --> 02:20:46,430
That means you'll wrap up curtain, pull up where it's not certain that it's, by

1687
02:20:46,430 --> 02:20:51,870
some of the time, like, Lincoln, we can make a parking short call, and then you can

1688
02:20:51,870 --> 02:20:53,570
call the parking short call as well.

1689
02:20:54,330 --> 02:20:57,430
There are really different units, but there are really different things.

1690
02:20:58,090 --> 02:21:00,430
And it's worth thinking about the work of one room together.

1691
02:21:01,090 --> 02:21:08,350
And that's worth a total of $40, $40, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4, $4.

1692
02:21:08,350 --> 02:21:14,330
Well, before we go there, I just jumping in because I have to correct the record on that.

1693
02:21:14,650 --> 02:21:18,910
There's not a shortfall of parking where there's specs to compliance with zoning.

1694
02:21:19,510 --> 02:21:23,450
Under the zoning code, 24 spaces are required.

1695
02:21:24,250 --> 02:21:27,830
So the 30, the 37 are, it's 50% more than what's required.

1696
02:21:28,510 --> 02:21:32,750
Now, the bill is boarded in adopting the finding statement for the Formatist Code.

1697
02:21:32,750 --> 02:21:36,590
has found that compliance with your code,

1698
02:21:36,870 --> 02:21:39,090
with your parking requirements in the form-based code,

1699
02:21:39,710 --> 02:21:43,010
is sufficient mitigation for any potential impacts.

1700
02:21:43,430 --> 02:21:45,690
And so I understand this commission,

1701
02:21:46,310 --> 02:21:48,670
I'm getting the faces that I get.

1702
02:21:49,190 --> 02:21:53,070
And I understand this commission's position on the goal.

1703
02:21:53,870 --> 02:21:55,090
And now it has to be known.

1704
02:21:55,350 --> 02:21:58,490
So I'm in trouble, but I say that talking to you a little bit,

1705
02:21:58,710 --> 02:22:00,830
but I understand this commission's position

1706
02:22:00,830 --> 02:22:07,090
on the goal of one to one, right? But the goal of one to one versus what's required under

1707
02:22:07,090 --> 02:22:12,910
your zoning, as well as what has been deemed acceptable mitigation for potential impacts

1708
02:22:12,910 --> 02:22:18,530
is different. And so when I hear a consultant say that there's a quote shortfall of parking,

1709
02:22:19,210 --> 02:22:23,310
it concerns me because there's nothing in the record in terms of of empirical data,

1710
02:22:23,310 --> 02:22:25,610
them in three of that. There's a short fold.

1711
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:36,340
Conversation is going to continue to go, but you have to recognize that from what is permitted

1712
02:22:36,340 --> 02:22:44,880
under your code and what is required, we're 50% over that. And so, you know, you can question

1713
02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:52,660
sort of the, what the data that was compiled by James C with respect to the other office resource

1714
02:22:52,660 --> 02:23:01,640
are on street parking, but sort of questioning the professionals and the data that compiles

1715
02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:09,140
is different. It is what it is. We know what the on street parking situation is. However,

1716
02:23:10,720 --> 02:23:13,480
your code only requires 24, we've got 38.

1717
02:23:15,790 --> 02:23:22,060
Again, Mr. Chairman, let me say I didn't hear when a language speaking. I didn't hear

1718
02:23:24,470 --> 02:23:34,210
anything unprofessional or I think she was speaking about a parking space inventory that was mentioned

1719
02:23:34,210 --> 02:23:40,150
at a previous meeting of the Planning Commission done by the applicant. So I just want to

1720
02:23:40,150 --> 02:23:47,090
make sure if we were to hear what Elaine had said, I don't think she was saying that it was

1721
02:23:48,050 --> 02:23:53,050
zoning non-compliant or for anything of that nature.

1722
02:23:54,290 --> 02:24:00,710
Just to get it on the record, I believe what Elaine said she's available to clarify.

1723
02:24:01,550 --> 02:24:06,550
I think when she used the word shortfall, she's talking about a shortfall in capacity in the neighborhood.

1724
02:24:07,250 --> 02:24:09,850
Not a shortfall in your application.

1725
02:24:09,850 --> 02:24:17,150
And we need to be very clear on that, because at the workshop, at least one board of trustee

1726
02:24:17,150 --> 02:24:24,670
members said, we should not try them for any intent in the zoning, because they created

1727
02:24:24,670 --> 02:24:31,790
the form-based code without, for one of the better word, adequate review and planning, and

1728
02:24:31,790 --> 02:24:39,830
they're open to many changes, and parking is probably an area that's going to need to be

1729
02:24:40,510 --> 02:24:46,790
With all due respect, even if you are in compliance with the code as it stands today, I think

1730
02:24:48,150 --> 02:24:52,750
correct me if I'm wrong, the commission needs to remember what the disposition of the

1731
02:24:52,750 --> 02:24:59,030
neighborhood is going to be six months a year, two years down the road for the residents who are

1732
02:24:59,030 --> 02:25:09,810
there now and in the future. So, you know, if we, if we're not careful, we're going to just

1733
02:25:10,910 --> 02:25:14,290
that's what's coming to the surface here.

1734
02:25:14,610 --> 02:25:17,690
And so nothing against your development

1735
02:25:17,690 --> 02:25:20,790
or any attempt to cast dispersions

1736
02:25:20,790 --> 02:25:22,410
on your overall plan.

1737
02:25:22,750 --> 02:25:24,270
It may be compliant today.

1738
02:25:24,930 --> 02:25:29,790
But that doesn't mean it doesn't create other problems

1739
02:25:29,790 --> 02:25:30,470
in the village.

1740
02:25:31,770 --> 02:25:33,750
And I understand the distinction.

1741
02:25:34,130 --> 02:25:36,010
The only thing I would add is it's not just

1742
02:25:36,010 --> 02:25:36,730
compliant with the code.

1743
02:25:36,730 --> 02:25:42,930
It's compliant with the secret finding statement that the village board, as lead agency adopted.

1744
02:25:43,650 --> 02:25:49,410
There is language in there about compliance with our parking requirements is sufficient

1745
02:25:49,410 --> 02:25:51,770
mitigation for the impacts that we're concerned with.

1746
02:25:51,910 --> 02:25:57,350
I understand that there are members in village that say, look, we don't necessarily agree

1747
02:25:57,350 --> 02:25:57,830
with that.

1748
02:25:58,070 --> 02:26:06,290
But as an applicant coming to the village, as of today, with the zoning code in place in a

1749
02:26:06,290 --> 02:26:13,330
Look, as a matter of record, there isn't, you know, a shortfall of parking on site.

1750
02:26:13,590 --> 02:26:20,950
And I understand that we may, particularly maybe talking over each other, but from a impact analysis standpoint,

1751
02:26:21,150 --> 02:26:26,790
which is what I'm focused on important, important to me as the applicant's attorney processing the application.

1752
02:26:27,430 --> 02:26:33,550
I'm saying what's being proposed is 50% over what was deemed acceptable from an impact standpoint.

1753
02:26:34,350 --> 02:26:40,130
Okay, Mr. Serrano and then Justin, I don't want to forget poor Justin, so Justin first.

1754
02:26:40,570 --> 02:26:42,430
Okay, Justin, are you still there?

1755
02:26:44,600 --> 02:26:47,340
All right, you're on deck, engineering commons.

1756
02:27:53,250 --> 02:27:58,550
Thank you, Justin, Mr. Sredo, or I want to thank Mr. Cooper for bringing up a very important

1757
02:27:58,550 --> 02:28:03,990
issue that are zoning compliance and there's secret mitigation and impacts and distinction

1758
02:28:03,990 --> 02:28:09,990
time gets lost. I would like for you all to authorize being heard to speak to Mar sure

1759
02:28:09,990 --> 02:28:16,050
talk. He's our secret go to Guy and ask him to give a read with Guy Mr. Cooper's

1760
02:28:16,050 --> 02:28:20,150
comments is what our finding statement says. I'm sure it's pretty relatively straightforward

1761
02:28:20,150 --> 02:28:24,770
think for Mr. Sure talk to you Marie on the issue. Get back to this board for next month.

1762
02:28:25,590 --> 02:28:27,830
Okay. Let me ask the rest of it. Is there consensus?

1763
02:28:31,250 --> 02:28:40,370
Okay, let's just write on here's an anonymous consensus by the planning commission to direct you to reach out to Mr. Chair Talk to get some some feedback.

1764
02:28:40,850 --> 02:28:42,110
He's been busy mad after this.

1765
02:28:42,630 --> 02:28:43,550
That sounds good.

1766
02:28:46,550 --> 02:28:48,550
And that's a good idea.

1767
02:28:49,870 --> 02:28:55,650
Okay, initial questions by the planning commission to the applicant's planning department,

1768
02:28:55,650 --> 02:28:58,610
It's a little deterrenty and a care app.

1769
02:28:58,610 --> 02:28:59,110
No questions.

1770
02:28:59,790 --> 02:29:00,130
Any other questions?

1771
02:29:00,870 --> 02:29:01,050
No.

1772
02:29:03,010 --> 02:29:03,410
No.

1773
02:29:03,950 --> 02:29:04,410
All right.

1774
02:29:05,310 --> 02:29:05,530
Here.

1775
02:29:06,490 --> 02:29:06,630
No.

1776
02:29:08,670 --> 02:29:08,810
No.

1777
02:29:09,110 --> 02:29:09,330
All right.

1778
02:29:09,830 --> 02:29:10,310
All right.

1779
02:29:12,410 --> 02:29:12,650
All right.

1780
02:29:14,010 --> 02:29:14,230
Okay.

1781
02:29:14,870 --> 02:29:16,110
So Peter, a care app.

1782
02:29:16,310 --> 02:29:17,150
I do have a question.

1783
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:20,570
In the planning comment section,

1784
02:29:21,190 --> 02:29:24,870
we're referring to a care app member of January 14.

1785
02:29:25,850 --> 02:29:30,730
So, the planning comment section, section C,

1786
02:29:32,930 --> 02:29:35,550
planning commission must make a finding regarding

1787
02:29:35,550 --> 02:29:39,770
the potential significance of the project's impacts on cultural resources.

1788
02:29:40,070 --> 02:29:42,110
I think that's what you were talking about before.

1789
02:29:43,210 --> 02:29:47,370
I'd circle as a question hoping you could expand on that.

1790
02:29:48,030 --> 02:29:50,710
Sure, well, ship.

1791
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:01,680
Register of Historic Places.

1792
02:30:04,440 --> 02:30:14,800
The applicant proposes to demolish those structures. And this is similar to other applications

1793
02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:19,860
that have been before this commission. Where should both as determine that structures are eligible for

1794
02:30:19,860 --> 02:30:26,600
listing on the state national register, applicants proposed to demolish the commission as part of its

1795
02:30:26,600 --> 02:30:33,180
figure of finding statement or in this case, this would be their negative declaration or

1796
02:30:33,180 --> 02:30:39,540
positive declaration, needs to determine whether that impact, that demolition is significant.

1797
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:47,700
And so in most cases, right, where there is not a significant impact, a negative declaration

1798
02:30:47,700 --> 02:30:54,320
is issued, and seekers concluded, if the commission finds there's a positive, that there

1799
02:30:54,320 --> 02:31:00,380
potential for a significant adverse impact, then you have to go to an EIS. That's what the

1800
02:31:00,380 --> 02:31:07,100
trigger is the EIS. So what the Commission has to do is make a finding regarding the significance.

1801
02:31:07,500 --> 02:31:16,940
In this case, you have an agency like Shippo that's a decent amount about this stuff. But also has an

1802
02:31:16,940 --> 02:31:22,820
institutional mandate for his door preservation. So in some instances, this Commission has said,

1803
02:31:22,820 --> 02:31:30,060
We get it. There's an impact to a historic resource, but we don't think it's a significant adverse

1804
02:31:30,060 --> 02:31:31,460
environmental impact.

1805
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:37,820
And we can move forward with the neck deck. And so that's simply what

1806
02:31:37,820 --> 02:31:45,360
this has, what the Commission asks to do, like it has done in other applications before,

1807
02:31:45,360 --> 02:31:51,160
where, you know, say on Main Street, where it was in what chipote considers to be a national register

1808
02:31:51,160 --> 02:31:55,140
are eligible in the historic district and folks.

1809
02:31:55,900 --> 02:32:02,020
And that goes to where my question was, because in some of the other instances, the buildings

1810
02:32:02,020 --> 02:32:10,590
were old, but we got additional materials that showed that the cost of rehabbing, the building

1811
02:32:10,590 --> 02:32:16,970
was exorbitant, and there were other factors that we couldn't consideration to say, no, this

1812
02:32:16,970 --> 02:32:18,770
is the path we should proceed.

1813
02:32:18,770 --> 02:32:23,290
So we had a way of evaluating, yes, that's significance.

1814
02:32:23,910 --> 02:32:28,490
Here, it's not an old residential building.

1815
02:32:29,510 --> 02:32:30,930
It's a former church.

1816
02:32:32,910 --> 02:32:34,490
So, what's the guideline?

1817
02:32:34,670 --> 02:32:36,770
What's the checklist to evaluate that?

1818
02:32:37,810 --> 02:32:39,690
So I can get back to it a little bit of that.

1819
02:32:40,150 --> 02:32:42,010
It's fuzzy, right?

1820
02:32:42,810 --> 02:32:44,930
Because, this is like art.

1821
02:32:45,390 --> 02:32:46,530
Well, because mitigation,

1822
02:32:46,530 --> 02:32:52,130
right and kind of alternatives don't actually necessarily come into whether it's

1823
02:32:52,130 --> 02:32:55,850
significant or not. It helps you determine it, but you can make it the

1824
02:32:55,850 --> 02:33:00,550
termination of significance even if you don't know much about the alternatives.

1825
02:33:01,090 --> 02:33:06,730
Right, so I'm sorry. I'm dropping in only because I don't think that's correct,

1826
02:33:06,850 --> 02:33:11,750
either, respectively. Okay, which part? I get paid by the word.

1827
02:33:12,990 --> 02:33:19,850
I get paid to not engage in EIS is where it's not legally necessary.

1828
02:33:20,690 --> 02:33:21,870
So that's why I'm jumping in.

1829
02:33:23,510 --> 02:33:25,670
From a ship-o historic perspective,

1830
02:33:26,470 --> 02:33:30,110
ship-o will not only determine whether there's a significant average impact,

1831
02:33:30,250 --> 02:33:33,010
but whether or not the mitigation measures are proposed or adequate.

1832
02:33:33,870 --> 02:33:37,290
That, for package based on your finding statement in this village,

1833
02:33:37,730 --> 02:33:40,610
is what the planning commission would base its determination

1834
02:33:40,610 --> 02:33:45,450
of significant sort. If not just going to look at, well, are these buildings potentially eligible

1835
02:33:45,450 --> 02:33:50,910
and is there an impact to potential impact, I can say, pause debt, now let's see what's

1836
02:33:50,910 --> 02:33:51,710
going to be announced.

1837
02:33:52,030 --> 02:33:56,650
No, no, no, and I don't think that's actually what I said. What I said is, sir. That's okay.

1838
02:33:56,670 --> 02:34:01,550
What I said was the commission needs to determine the significance of that impact. Shippo will

1839
02:34:02,270 --> 02:34:07,450
Shippo has an institutional mandate for historic preservation. It said that large portions

1840
02:34:07,450 --> 02:34:13,310
of your downtown are eligible for a historic district right and so it considers demolition

1841
02:34:13,310 --> 02:34:20,690
of those buildings to be an adverse impact and the commission and the zoning has approved

1842
02:34:20,690 --> 02:34:28,950
developments in those places. This is a very similar set of circumstances just different

1843
02:34:28,950 --> 02:34:35,270
types of buildings and so I don't think there's anyone who's trying to argue that that's

1844
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:40,910
different set of circumstances, so ship was already said this is an adverse impact. They've

1845
02:34:40,910 --> 02:34:44,110
already said that and that's why they've asked for alternatives. There might be nothing

1846
02:34:44,110 --> 02:34:48,490
you can do about it and ship was going to say, okay, there's nothing you can do about it.

1847
02:34:48,510 --> 02:34:52,430
We're bound to review this under the State Historic Preservation Act. We've got to go through

1848
02:34:52,430 --> 02:34:57,350
these steps. You have a different role of saying, is this a significant adverse impact? And

1849
02:34:57,350 --> 02:35:04,320
you can conclude that before you even get all of that information from shipboat. It helps

1850
02:35:04,320 --> 02:35:09,140
to have some of it. They are the subject matter experts and sometimes it's important to

1851
02:35:09,140 --> 02:35:15,440
know whether there is any potential for reuse. That sometimes does help you determine whether

1852
02:35:15,440 --> 02:35:21,120
it's a significant adverse impact, but you don't need all of that information in order to

1853
02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:23,000
get there.

1854
02:35:24,360 --> 02:35:27,320
You have to describe it in my piece of New York State's financing.

1855
02:35:28,120 --> 02:35:30,460
I'll deal with that change in the other one of them.

1856
02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:32,140
They don't have a guideline that you're talking about.

1857
02:35:32,220 --> 02:35:34,820
No, you have parallel tracks, right?

1858
02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:39,980
Shippo gets involved in two or three ways, right?

1859
02:35:40,140 --> 02:35:43,020
They get involved as an agency that it's a subject matter expert.

1860
02:35:43,640 --> 02:35:47,000
So we contact them because they're interested in these things.

1861
02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:50,300
Then they can get involved when they're state funding.

1862
02:35:50,300 --> 02:35:53,640
and there's a state historic preservation act, they got rules, they got a follow.

1863
02:35:54,500 --> 02:35:59,120
They could get involved if there's federal funding, and there's rules they have to follow.

1864
02:35:59,740 --> 02:36:02,260
And so all of those things kind of conflate.

1865
02:36:03,880 --> 02:36:06,900
And so we kind of run through the processes kind of together.

1866
02:36:08,300 --> 02:36:12,300
But from a, from a, from a secret perspective, they're going to tell you what they think.

1867
02:36:12,700 --> 02:36:16,520
And they did. They already said, we think these buildings have some historical significance.

1868
02:36:16,520 --> 02:36:22,160
Okay, great. We think they're eligible for the state national register of places, and if you demolish that

1869
02:36:22,780 --> 02:36:28,920
You know, that's an adverse impact to those resources. Oh, okay. Is it a significant adverse impact?

1870
02:36:29,420 --> 02:36:32,100
And Mr. Cooper's right, the

1871
02:36:32,100 --> 02:36:34,040
the finding statement for the

1872
02:36:34,040 --> 02:36:38,240
Form-based code does talk about this and it says you got to look at it

1873
02:36:38,240 --> 02:36:41,640
kind of on a on a site specific basis, but it also

1874
02:36:41,640 --> 02:36:48,480
says and kind of presupposes throughout that there might be impacts to historic resources from redevelopment

1875
02:36:48,480 --> 02:36:55,140
It this isn't something that was not anticipated by the rezoning and we see this most often down town

1876
02:36:55,140 --> 02:36:58,320
But we see another places to the code

1877
02:36:59,520 --> 02:37:00,720
Recognizes this

1878
02:37:00,720 --> 02:37:07,660
It also the final state bill also says ship. I was supposed to give you guidance although I guess it's not necessary that they have to

1879
02:37:07,660 --> 02:37:09,020
on what

1880
02:37:09,020 --> 02:37:11,000
Mitigation measures if any would be appropriate

1881
02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:14,120
to avoid that significant impact.

1882
02:37:14,920 --> 02:37:16,820
So that's what I was jumping in on it to say,

1883
02:37:16,920 --> 02:37:18,760
look, if the commission is to say,

1884
02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:22,320
we think these buildings are significant historic resources.

1885
02:37:23,300 --> 02:37:23,880
The inquiry doesn't...

1886
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:39,640
The next question is okay. Well, what measures are you proposing to incorporate into your project to ensure that those impacts are mitigated?

1887
02:37:40,400 --> 02:37:50,020
So to that, I'm setting that forth to the commission, is look, we've been the applicants have been dealing primarily with ship-o, because of the state funding application.

1888
02:37:50,780 --> 02:37:59,580
But if this commission is saying, hey, we'd like to see XY and Z study or whatever may be. Now's a good time to let us know so that we can provide that to you as well as ship-mo.

1889
02:37:59,580 --> 02:38:03,320
Well, I think it would be very good while we have access to it.

1890
02:38:03,880 --> 02:38:09,660
I think it would be very good to submit that information to the Commission because

1891
02:38:09,660 --> 02:38:12,140
that website is not the easiest to navigate.

1892
02:38:13,020 --> 02:38:15,220
And it's actually not always available.

1893
02:38:15,960 --> 02:38:19,280
If you're not the right consulting party tied in with the right email,

1894
02:38:19,860 --> 02:38:22,820
if you didn't get the token, we all know this is a very complicated website.

1895
02:38:23,020 --> 02:38:25,920
If you could send us those, I think that would go a long way.

1896
02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:30,580
We received other documentation like that for other projects

1897
02:38:30,580 --> 02:38:33,120
who are trying to remember the name of it.

1898
02:38:34,040 --> 02:38:36,220
We've got to put that with the help and another one

1899
02:38:36,220 --> 02:38:38,360
that was one of your clients, but I'm

1900
02:38:38,360 --> 02:38:40,640
thinking of one that was actually approved recently.

1901
02:38:41,860 --> 02:38:43,680
So I think that would be the be helpful.

1902
02:38:44,260 --> 02:38:47,080
And I'm in a way shape or form suggesting

1903
02:38:47,700 --> 02:38:49,300
when I'll come on that deterministic.

1904
02:38:49,980 --> 02:38:50,040
Right.

1905
02:38:50,040 --> 02:38:57,280
I think about the perhaps current, the timeline, or, I mean, if not tonight,

1906
02:38:59,340 --> 02:39:00,100
but went, because

1907
02:39:00,100 --> 02:39:05,660
we have a full planning commission now, so when would we, all right, sooner than later,

1908
02:39:05,880 --> 02:39:13,300
I'm sure to at least communicate to a caref or to you that the majority of the planning

1909
02:39:13,300 --> 02:39:21,800
commission believes that there is something more to try to get the right language, a potential

1910
02:39:21,800 --> 02:39:27,420
significance on the project's impacts on cultural resources, so when, you know, the time

1911
02:39:27,420 --> 02:39:32,460
for the majority to express that to begin kicking the tire and walking down that path.

1912
02:39:34,040 --> 02:39:41,220
Yes, and I think that it is ongoing to a great extent between the applicant and Shippo.

1913
02:39:41,220 --> 02:39:48,100
My understanding is that there was, or at least according to Shippo's agent, I spoke with,

1914
02:39:48,600 --> 02:39:53,640
that there has been some discussion about preservation of a portion of the church.

1915
02:39:53,920 --> 02:39:59,420
Now, again, I think we all understand that this plan is based upon a full redevelopment.

1916
02:39:59,720 --> 02:40:07,940
This is a prior application. We provided some initial direction in terms of concept water concept 2 and it was on a very high level.

1917
02:40:07,940 --> 02:40:11,240
And now we begin the discussion down that path.

1918
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:16,140
So it sounds like, from what Peter was just depressing that the planning commission should

1919
02:40:16,140 --> 02:40:25,140
express on how our thoughts are on the potential significant I'm using as words here.

1920
02:40:25,460 --> 02:40:28,840
The potential significance of the projects impacts on the cultural resources.

1921
02:40:29,400 --> 02:40:34,220
We should provide some indication on a consensus on that.

1922
02:40:34,500 --> 02:40:34,660
Yes.

1923
02:40:34,660 --> 02:40:42,200
And I was just a long lines of what Peter just mentioned that if the commission can be made

1924
02:40:42,200 --> 02:40:49,320
aware of all the correspondence between Shippo and the project team, that that would

1925
02:40:49,320 --> 02:40:57,700
help at least emphasize or underscore the certain comments that Shippo may or may not have

1926
02:40:59,660 --> 02:41:08,300
It was, again, noted as I think it's very clean to see that unlike some other properties

1927
02:41:08,300 --> 02:41:14,340
that may be eligible, first of all, these buildings, of course, have been deemed eligible.

1928
02:41:14,700 --> 02:41:18,880
They've been spoken, either in another tense, during this conversation about, you know,

1929
02:41:18,880 --> 02:41:27,040
they'll investigate it, but no, I mean, they've made that decision and so with that, if you

1930
02:41:27,040 --> 02:41:35,760
clear that these structures were the congregation took very good care of the structures until

1931
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:41,840
about 2017, as best as I can figure that services stop there.

1932
02:41:43,360 --> 02:41:51,460
But it's the site, I can't tell that any maintenance has been done whatsoever since around

1933
02:41:51,460 --> 02:41:56,060
the time of this application and our project team has stated that they're not in charge

1934
02:41:56,060 --> 02:42:04,160
to the property that are contract-fandee. I get that. But even with what appears to be absolutely

1935
02:42:04,160 --> 02:42:09,800
no maintenance, the structure is still appear to be sound. Ship will believe there are very

1936
02:42:09,800 --> 02:42:16,640
sound. And if anything, it's just been a lack of maintenance in terms of your work and

1937
02:42:16,640 --> 02:42:19,580
overgrowth onto the sidewalk and some trash accumulating.

1938
02:42:21,620 --> 02:42:25,700
But these buildings were very well-maintained

1939
02:42:26,840 --> 02:42:33,040
And the issue, the historic quality of the building, not whether or not it's being maintained.

1940
02:42:33,760 --> 02:42:35,820
I don't know about the maintenance.

1941
02:42:36,460 --> 02:42:38,240
Again, it's contract-friendly.

1942
02:42:38,420 --> 02:42:40,660
We don't have control over the site to maintain it.

1943
02:42:40,840 --> 02:42:42,680
So when it's been maintained or not, when it's been maintained or not,

1944
02:42:43,060 --> 02:42:45,660
I can't speak to that.

1945
02:42:45,960 --> 02:42:49,840
But the issue, I think the Commission is asking is,

1946
02:42:49,840 --> 02:42:55,380
well, if we are deeming these buildings to be some sort of cultural resource to build.

1947
02:42:55,380 --> 02:42:56,760
What's that characteristic?

1948
02:42:57,660 --> 02:43:00,760
Right, not whether or not they've been maintained or not.

1949
02:43:01,000 --> 02:43:05,380
Right, we're talking about a church, which hasn't been used in,

1950
02:43:06,140 --> 02:43:09,640
I think, I think, since 2017, it was a very earliest,

1951
02:43:10,280 --> 02:43:10,580
Relatist.

1952
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:18,260
But what cultural resource does this building provide to the village?

1953
02:43:18,420 --> 02:43:20,080
Right, that's the question.

1954
02:43:21,220 --> 02:43:23,740
What is it look like from the inside of this coin?

1955
02:43:23,740 --> 02:43:26,580
Well, I'm a leader, do you, where you're about to jump in?

1956
02:43:26,660 --> 02:43:34,300
No, I was going to say, we can similar to the other request that you've made

1957
02:43:34,300 --> 02:43:36,460
right of Mark and other folks.

1958
02:43:36,600 --> 02:43:41,700
And we can provide some of that information to you as to kind of

1959
02:43:41,700 --> 02:43:45,300
exactly what Mr. Cooper's saying, kind of what, what are the, what are the

1960
02:43:45,300 --> 02:43:49,860
bases on which you make these decisions and what has Shippo said and what

1961
02:43:49,860 --> 02:43:55,900
have use it. Because again, it does have to do with the significance of the impact, right?

1962
02:43:55,900 --> 02:44:01,580
Just because there is an impact, doesn't make it a significant adverse impact, which you guys

1963
02:44:01,580 --> 02:44:08,700
know, because you issue negative debts, right? So I think we can help provide some of that information

1964
02:44:08,700 --> 02:44:14,020
to you. That information is provided to us. We could read it between now and next meeting.

1965
02:44:14,020 --> 02:44:14,420
Yes.

1966
02:44:14,720 --> 02:44:19,100
Perhaps at next meeting we'd be able to come to your conclusion one way or another or

1967
02:44:19,100 --> 02:44:22,960
please provide some direction to the applicant and to the planning department on the

1968
02:44:22,960 --> 02:44:23,980
Commission's thoughts.

1969
02:44:26,040 --> 02:44:27,420
So Peter, if you could provide us.

1970
02:44:28,200 --> 02:44:28,340
Okay.

1971
02:44:28,880 --> 02:44:29,200
All right.

1972
02:44:29,780 --> 02:44:34,460
That was when you actually covered one of the follow-ups.

1973
02:44:35,060 --> 02:44:36,180
Oh, one last question.

1974
02:44:37,560 --> 02:44:41,340
The range of on-screen parking, I know we talked about.

1975
02:44:41,340 --> 02:44:43,180
Mr. Serena is going to follow up this great.

1976
02:44:43,680 --> 02:44:47,120
But the range of parking on street parking that's affected,

1977
02:44:48,980 --> 02:44:51,460
is it will it up to Highland,

1978
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:55,940
like how far up is actually if the lane is still there,

1979
02:44:56,060 --> 02:44:56,380
perhaps a little bit.

1980
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,580
Coming up to Highland, there's going beyond Highland.

1981
02:45:20,040 --> 02:45:29,720
Okay, so it's just Amidroth plays that surrounds the castle and up will it, but not quite, not necessarily not past Highland.

1982
02:45:29,720 --> 02:45:37,380
correct. It was 500 feet from walking distance from the entrance with the scope of the study

1983
02:45:37,380 --> 02:45:40,380
based on the GMC and the ACRF's discussions.

1984
02:45:40,680 --> 02:45:48,180
Okay, I just wanted to refine in my mind what what streets exactly are you talking about? We're not going

1985
02:45:48,180 --> 02:45:53,540
beyond Highland, we're not going upper down Highland, we're not going up will it past Highland, it's just

1986
02:45:53,540 --> 02:46:00,360
that section of streets. Okay, that's it for me then. So, Kurt next steps.

1987
02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:07,800
Yes, I go those items to be addressed. I mean, I'm not going to take the time to summarize them,

1988
02:46:07,900 --> 02:46:13,720
but they have to do with correspondence from shipovers, as well as responding to any open

1989
02:46:13,720 --> 02:46:16,680
comments from work consultant, take your F.

1990
02:46:19,070 --> 02:46:21,950
Okay. And this is sorry, you've got to follow up as well.

1991
02:46:23,710 --> 02:46:34,850
Okay then, so we'll agree, we'll leave the better in public meaning stage and we're going to read and continue the conversation next month.

1992
02:46:35,230 --> 02:46:39,710
You're not going to ask me for if I can invite anything else up on that.

1993
02:46:40,470 --> 02:46:41,790
I'm joking. I'm joking.

1994
02:46:42,430 --> 02:46:43,030
I'm joking.

1995
02:46:43,030 --> 02:46:43,350
I'm joking.

1996
02:46:44,030 --> 02:46:44,630
I'm joking.

1997
02:46:47,490 --> 02:46:50,490
Okay, thank you very much.

1998
02:46:50,930 --> 02:46:51,390
Thank you.

1999
02:47:06,140 --> 02:47:16,820
Okay, next item on the agenda, case 2021-0220, a continued public meeting on 141-50 Westchester Avenue.

2000
02:47:52,100 --> 02:47:53,280
Good evening. Good evening.

2001
02:47:56,420 --> 02:47:58,020
Good evening.

2002
02:47:58,020 --> 02:48:02,820
for the cutting of air. I'm joined by Pierre Sarasin and my colleague, Dan Patrick's here.

2003
02:48:02,980 --> 02:48:05,020
I'm not wrong. Nick Williams is here.

2004
02:48:05,960 --> 02:48:10,020
Since we last appeared before you, we did have the opportunity to appear before the DRC.

2005
02:48:10,520 --> 02:48:16,320
It was largely uneventful, meaning not much information we shared back before.

2006
02:48:17,100 --> 02:48:18,020
We did do a presentation.

2007
02:48:19,140 --> 02:48:28,000
We did receive recently the comments from EKRF, which are

2008
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:31,600
and address all of these comments very, very quickly.

2009
02:48:32,920 --> 02:48:36,620
We, the Icarre for memorandum, does know however that this application does require

2010
02:48:36,620 --> 02:48:37,260
variances.

2011
02:48:38,060 --> 02:48:43,320
We would ask this evening for you to refer us to these OV Board of Appeals so we can

2012
02:48:43,320 --> 02:48:44,360
commence that process.

2013
02:48:45,200 --> 02:48:49,400
We would like to start that process while the board does evaluate the secret impacts of

2014
02:48:49,400 --> 02:48:51,380
this application as you're aware.

2015
02:48:51,540 --> 02:48:53,520
We'd like to do that simultaneously as you're aware.

2016
02:48:53,520 --> 02:49:02,020
This commission does need to adopt a determination of significance before we can complete the ZBA process.

2017
02:49:02,520 --> 02:49:04,260
And effectively, that's where we are at this point.

2018
02:49:06,360 --> 02:49:06,860
Thank you.

2019
02:49:10,190 --> 02:49:11,250
Kurt Plane Department.

2020
02:49:11,490 --> 02:49:11,930
Sure.

2021
02:49:12,090 --> 02:49:17,230
So the first thing is that this afternoon, from the Westchester County Department of Planning and Planning Board,

2022
02:49:17,510 --> 02:49:19,890
we received their comments, as a matter of course.

2023
02:49:20,810 --> 02:49:25,450
They're going to rather than get into that now, just know that it has been sent to

2024
02:49:25,450 --> 02:49:26,810
each of you as commissioners.

2025
02:49:27,370 --> 02:49:28,430
And we would request the copy.

2026
02:49:28,630 --> 02:49:29,010
Yes.

2027
02:49:29,190 --> 02:49:30,510
I can do that for sure.

2028
02:49:30,970 --> 02:49:39,870
And then both parties can take a look at those comments from the county and we'll have that.

2029
02:49:40,170 --> 02:49:47,790
As far as the termination of significance, we'll, I mean, obviously we can conduct coordinated

2030
02:49:47,790 --> 02:49:55,130
the reviews, especially in situations like this. I'm not sure if I fully understood the opening

2031
02:49:55,130 --> 02:50:02,330
statement about a determination of significant needed now before the zoning board of appeals.

2032
02:50:03,030 --> 02:50:06,870
So, the zoning board of appeals can't take action until this board adopts the negative declaration.

2033
02:50:10,270 --> 02:50:13,430
Right. And the board of this board has declared itself to be lead agency and circulated

2034
02:50:13,430 --> 02:50:19,170
that in time. We do need a determination of significance, and that deck to be adopted before the zoning

2035
02:50:19,170 --> 02:50:23,410
of appeals can take action before they can take action. I would agree with that.

2036
02:50:23,890 --> 02:50:28,730
However, I don't think that, and I think this is reminiscent of other applications,

2037
02:50:30,310 --> 02:50:35,390
but the concurrence of those R-sake review, as was just mentioned, continuing,

2038
02:50:37,010 --> 02:50:46,930
and the LZVAs proceeding, I think, can run concurrent. So again, if there is a sort of legal

2039
02:50:46,930 --> 02:50:51,390
principle that I'm missing then I can discuss it with the bill attorney after the meeting.

2040
02:50:52,390 --> 02:50:56,910
All about that has came and refreshed my memory because I'm trying to remember the sequence of events in terms of

2041
02:50:57,490 --> 02:51:03,250
but that could have been under the old code where we sent stuff off to ZBA and then we would do the

2042
02:51:03,250 --> 02:51:07,950
neglect and the approval of the same night at the very end of the process but that was the old code.

2043
02:51:16,430 --> 02:51:16,910
So maybe

2044
02:51:16,910 --> 02:51:22,430
have we done a notice of intent? Yes we have. Would the zoning board? It was done

2045
02:51:23,410 --> 02:51:30,430
circulated in November. So the board acted to circulate in the zoning board as

2046
02:51:30,430 --> 02:51:37,150
that was planned. No, but there was nothing to my knowledge in it that identified

2047
02:51:37,150 --> 02:51:42,010
the zoning board of appeals as in the well-dagency. The application identified

2048
02:51:42,610 --> 02:51:46,810
deficiencies, so they should have been notwithstanding if that needs to be re-referred.

2049
02:51:47,050 --> 02:51:52,250
That can certainly be done, or that could be circulated again, notwithstanding we do

2050
02:51:52,250 --> 02:51:57,590
need a variance, so you can circulate to the extent that it hasn't been done to the

2051
02:51:57,590 --> 02:52:01,870
disowning board appeals to this board. I'm confident it's going to be acting as lead agent,

2052
02:52:02,250 --> 02:52:05,670
and we would ask for referrals so that we can commence the process in review before

2053
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:09,530
the disowning board appeals. I can curb it all three points. The main major job is we certainly

2054
02:52:09,530 --> 02:52:15,470
can also suspenders, make their referral again, they have 30 days to respond, you have

2055
02:52:15,470 --> 02:52:16,910
to get in their calendar anyway.

2056
02:52:17,650 --> 02:52:22,090
So what we need to do is, in the reason I'm asking for referrals, we need to make application

2057
02:52:22,090 --> 02:52:22,590
to the sort of...

2058
02:52:30,270 --> 02:52:36,850
We can't do that until this board makes that patrol because no special permanence required. So we're just trying to move the application.

2059
02:52:37,210 --> 02:52:39,070
I'll show you. Sure.

2060
02:52:39,370 --> 02:52:44,970
So just to jump in just so that everyone else will have their opportunity for questions.

2061
02:52:45,570 --> 02:52:52,510
We just clarify the current perhaps, the variances that are going to be sawed by the ZVH.

2062
02:52:52,710 --> 02:52:55,790
So that way we know what we're referring, so I can do something like that.

2063
02:52:55,790 --> 02:53:02,810
Yes, so if you refer to page 2 of the January 14th memorandum, there's the number with of the

2064
02:53:02,810 --> 02:53:10,470
curb cuts proposed to see the number provided in section 405.n.1.i.v and security gates for the

2065
02:53:10,470 --> 02:53:16,650
garage and loading and just do not occur to me through requirements of section 405.n.d.2v.

2066
02:53:17,290 --> 02:53:18,070
We are looking at that.

2067
02:53:18,170 --> 02:53:21,390
We're looking to see if to the extent that we can make some modifications in the interim.

2068
02:53:21,630 --> 02:53:23,370
Those are the variants that have been identified.

2069
02:53:23,370 --> 02:53:30,370
But you said, page two of the January 14th memorandum here.

2070
02:53:31,770 --> 02:53:32,630
There's only three pages.

2071
02:53:34,290 --> 02:53:35,410
It made me say, I don't for it.

2072
02:53:35,850 --> 02:53:36,770
I don't for it.

2073
02:53:37,010 --> 02:53:37,810
I don't want to refer to it.

2074
02:53:38,450 --> 02:53:39,250
I don't want to come.

2075
02:53:40,130 --> 02:53:41,330
Oh, yes, I don't for it.

2076
02:53:41,790 --> 02:53:44,850
So, on January 14th memorandum page two,

2077
02:53:45,090 --> 02:53:46,470
number four, planning comments,

2078
02:53:47,030 --> 02:53:48,910
be general zoning compliance.

2079
02:53:49,770 --> 02:53:50,210
There you go.

2080
02:53:51,090 --> 02:53:52,430
Those two bullet points.

2081
02:53:55,730 --> 02:54:07,150
We're going to get to that referral in a moment after some questions, Kurt, did you have anything else from for your update?

2082
02:54:07,710 --> 02:54:08,570
And I'm at this time.

2083
02:54:09,430 --> 02:54:10,630
Mr. Strav, just one point.

2084
02:54:10,790 --> 02:54:15,490
I believe Mr. The applicant is also making a request on the Board of Trustees for some action perhaps.

2085
02:54:16,270 --> 02:54:23,570
So we did submit, and we are being placed on the January 24th Board of Trustees agenda for the

2086
02:54:23,570 --> 02:54:28,690
Pocker Park, the improvements that extend beyond, again, as we've indicated to you.

2087
02:54:28,890 --> 02:54:31,250
We don't require that, that's not part of this development.

2088
02:54:31,870 --> 02:54:37,690
However, we think it's a nice remedy. It's consistent with the intent of the code and some of the strategic planning initiatives

2089
02:54:37,690 --> 02:54:44,570
and the village competence plant, so we are before the board in that on the January 24th.

2090
02:54:44,570 --> 02:54:51,090
Additionally, there is access to a portion of the site over that village lot that has not been

2091
02:54:51,090 --> 02:54:58,170
required of the owner of that parcel or any applicants that currently utilize access over that

2092
02:54:58,170 --> 02:54:58,590
lot.

2093
02:54:59,010 --> 02:55:02,710
We don't believe that we need from the board trustees to the extent that we do.

2094
02:55:02,970 --> 02:55:07,050
We requested that and we are before the time of January 24th.

2095
02:55:07,050 --> 02:55:10,950
So Mr. Sharp, who would have been prudent for this board to also circulate?

2096
02:55:11,110 --> 02:55:13,070
And there was the intensive Board of Trustees as well.

2097
02:55:13,270 --> 02:55:14,650
Did you accept that hasn't been done previously?

2098
02:55:15,170 --> 02:55:16,350
I'm just trying to cover all the bad guys.

2099
02:55:16,530 --> 02:55:17,750
I'm with you. Thank you very much.

2100
02:55:20,810 --> 02:55:22,310
Peter, take care of?

2101
02:55:24,600 --> 02:55:30,840
Yeah, I mean, I think the big zoning issue and it's also a traffic issue and a site circulation

2102
02:55:30,840 --> 02:55:37,080
and site layout issue is the number of driveways, which we've talked about.

2103
02:55:38,360 --> 02:55:47,040
So, I think really that's kind of one of the biggest issues is the planning commissions

2104
02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:53,110
thoughts about that as it relates to traffic circulation and slightly out.

2105
02:55:54,640 --> 02:56:01,560
That's, I think, again, the biggest comment that I had, and I'll turn it over to the

2106
02:56:01,560 --> 02:56:05,240
and just okay. The link.

2107
02:57:39,270 --> 02:57:40,930
Thank you all, Lynn.

2108
02:59:04,240 --> 02:59:05,160
Thank you, Justin.

2109
02:59:08,070 --> 02:59:11,690
Mr. Chairman, there also was a last week.

2110
02:59:12,270 --> 02:59:19,370
The State Environmental Conservation Department sent a notice to me.

2111
02:59:19,650 --> 02:59:23,990
It is a D.C. invites public comment about round-filled applications per site in Worcester,

2112
02:59:24,110 --> 02:59:27,230
Redmond, and Portchester, round-filled application.

2113
02:59:27,570 --> 02:59:32,190
I don't know if that necessarily means it comes from our applicant.

2114
02:59:32,190 --> 02:59:47,950
The site is located at 140 Westchester and 148-150 Westchester and pertains to the grand union hotel bowling alley site.

2115
02:59:50,480 --> 02:59:56,660
So that's so common, certainly submitted by February 11th, 2022.

2116
02:59:57,260 --> 02:59:59,980
I don't know enough exactly about how these...

2117
03:00:01,780 --> 03:00:16,740
Those, either owning or controlling the site or whether they are, or whether it's not exactly like it sounds and it's something that they initiate on their own as the department. So I'm not sure. But that's that's ongoing in conjunction with the application.

2118
03:00:18,100 --> 03:00:26,520
So my understanding is the applicant did submit an application for ground to enter the Brownville cleanup program. You have to be accepted by the DEC.

2119
03:00:27,540 --> 03:00:34,200
In addition, they provided this commission a phase one and phase two environmental site assessment.

2120
03:00:34,920 --> 03:00:40,860
Those are, for those that don't know phase one, these are standard environmental site assessments.

2121
03:00:40,920 --> 03:00:44,040
The phase one is documentary research.

2122
03:00:44,860 --> 03:00:49,080
You take a look at the site, you take a look, you do a lot of documentary research.

2123
03:00:49,080 --> 03:00:55,800
And you figure out if there are concerns that might need to be addressed in terms of subsurface conditions.

2124
03:00:55,800 --> 03:01:03,580
Phase two is we identified some concerns so now we're going to go into the ground. We're going to take some samples and we're going to figure out what's what's there

2125
03:01:03,580 --> 03:01:14,140
And this isn't you know, we don't Swiss cheese the site. We look at what was in the phase one. And we say let's identify and address those and pretty standard for urban redevelopments

2126
03:01:14,140 --> 03:01:20,500
For previously used it's very standard. They submitted that information. We're still going through it

2127
03:01:20,500 --> 03:01:25,700
We know that they submitted an application of the Brownfield cleanup program one of the items in our memo was please

2128
03:01:25,800 --> 03:01:31,640
of data on the stands of that application, and it sounds like the DEC started to beat us

2129
03:01:31,640 --> 03:01:38,560
to it a little bit, but it would be nice to know where that application stands with that

2130
03:01:38,560 --> 03:01:39,380
clean up.

2131
03:01:40,240 --> 03:01:43,380
So, just a couple of interesting and a couple of comments that were raised.

2132
03:01:44,740 --> 03:01:47,460
It doesn't really need to be easy when we respect our request copies of that correspondence.

2133
03:01:48,220 --> 03:01:53,820
We will respond to the comments that were just indicated as well as everything else that's in this

2134
03:01:57,400 --> 03:02:02,120
We are going to be relocating that, so we'll be in the public right away so that we

2135
03:02:02,120 --> 03:02:04,040
update that you will see going forward.

2136
03:02:05,540 --> 03:02:09,300
Obviously, we are going to be looking at the other things that we can do in order to improve

2137
03:02:09,300 --> 03:02:14,100
this application anyway that we can, and we will be addressing any comments that you

2138
03:02:14,100 --> 03:02:16,300
do have this evening and I'll start going forward.

2139
03:02:17,340 --> 03:02:18,300
Okay, thank you.

2140
03:02:18,300 --> 03:02:23,520
So before we get to the zoning referral, let's do general questions.

2141
03:02:24,320 --> 03:02:25,280
Let's go over here.

2142
03:02:25,520 --> 03:02:30,300
All you have to do is the applicant playing the department for a care of.

2143
03:02:31,080 --> 03:02:31,120
No.

2144
03:02:31,120 --> 03:02:31,460
Okay.

2145
03:02:31,960 --> 03:02:32,580
General, right now.

2146
03:02:34,300 --> 03:02:35,180
Just go back.

2147
03:02:39,660 --> 03:02:40,220
No.

2148
03:02:40,440 --> 03:02:42,360
I need for the ZVA acts.

2149
03:02:42,780 --> 03:02:42,900
Yeah.

2150
03:02:43,220 --> 03:02:48,280
I think Mr. Redo worked that out with the applicant and with the care of

2151
03:02:48,900 --> 03:02:53,280
So you declared yourself to be lead agency in the past that lead agency was circulated.

2152
03:02:53,900 --> 03:02:56,060
It may not have gone to the Zoning Board of Appeals.

2153
03:02:56,820 --> 03:02:59,560
So Bell and Suspender says, re-circulate it.

2154
03:02:59,580 --> 03:03:01,440
If you've done it already, so if you're going to be re-circulated,

2155
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:04,700
and we're asking for you to refer the application to the ZVA,

2156
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:06,060
so we can start that process.

2157
03:03:07,140 --> 03:03:10,840
We have simultaneous, we would like to continue processing before your commission.

2158
03:03:11,720 --> 03:03:13,960
We cannot, the Zoning Board cannot take the determination,

2159
03:03:14,160 --> 03:03:17,680
they cannot take final action until a secret determination

2160
03:03:17,680 --> 03:03:24,420
So we'll be assumption that you will not be able to start there with you and I'll see you later.

2161
03:03:28,080 --> 03:03:28,620
Okay.

2162
03:03:31,220 --> 03:03:31,320
Yeah?

2163
03:03:32,360 --> 03:03:33,020
That's twice as much.

2164
03:03:33,020 --> 03:03:34,340
I think it's a record for you.

2165
03:03:36,220 --> 03:03:36,560
That's fine.

2166
03:03:38,400 --> 03:03:38,960
Slow and down.

2167
03:03:42,060 --> 03:03:43,080
Matt, you're sorry?

2168
03:03:43,660 --> 03:03:44,420
You're good?

2169
03:03:44,660 --> 03:03:44,760
Yeah.

2170
03:03:44,940 --> 03:03:45,300
Okay.

2171
03:03:46,100 --> 03:03:55,830
Right, so my questions were on I sell and I'd be these variances.

2172
03:03:57,450 --> 03:04:06,470
So if you could provide us with a little rationale as to why just give us a little more

2173
03:04:06,470 --> 03:04:12,090
flavor as to why you think it's a good idea for us for the planning commission, not only

2174
03:04:12,090 --> 03:04:18,750
to refer to a degree, or disagree, give us a little more flavor as to why you think

2175
03:04:18,750 --> 03:04:20,150
her is an idea for these variances.

2176
03:04:20,830 --> 03:04:26,210
First, we have absolutely, ever, ever, ever in order to request the variance.

2177
03:04:27,850 --> 03:04:31,810
That said, there will be a rationale that we will provide to the Zoning Board of Appeals,

2178
03:04:32,050 --> 03:04:37,050
which is going to be different that, based upon their state mandated analysis, they

2179
03:04:37,050 --> 03:04:40,190
have to weigh the benefits of the applicant and granting the variance, wait against the

2180
03:04:40,190 --> 03:04:44,570
to help safety and welfare of the community. There are five factors that they look at and

2181
03:04:44,570 --> 03:04:48,450
do in that balancing analysis, which is different in the review that the commission does

2182
03:04:48,450 --> 03:04:55,350
as it relates to the site planning requirements, secret impacts. So, I want to state that

2183
03:04:55,350 --> 03:05:01,510
the outset. We are evaluating it to the extent any way that we can alleviate or eliminate

2184
03:05:01,510 --> 03:05:06,430
variances, but we do have the determinations made that variances are required with what's

2185
03:05:06,430 --> 03:05:12,990
for you and we're asking for that referral to be done as we continue to work with AKRF as it relates

2186
03:05:12,990 --> 03:05:18,210
to some of the traffic issues and we are examining some of the modifications that can be done

2187
03:05:18,210 --> 03:05:22,050
to the building in the inter. Hopefully we can eliminate or less than some of those variances,

2188
03:05:23,090 --> 03:05:30,870
but carefms. I think my only comment was that just keep in mind that this loading area is not

2189
03:05:34,090 --> 03:05:41,250
So this current cut is something we think and we're hoping that it's being evaluated

2190
03:05:41,250 --> 03:05:44,070
in a perfect case by case basis.

2191
03:05:44,910 --> 03:05:51,190
And then this makes it better for the reason to take still the power of the public areas.

2192
03:05:51,850 --> 03:05:54,890
So I think we like this current cut.

2193
03:05:55,210 --> 03:05:56,510
I think it makes it a better project.

2194
03:05:56,790 --> 03:05:57,490
It makes it a better building.

2195
03:05:58,070 --> 03:05:59,490
And that curve cuts on what street?

2196
03:05:59,490 --> 03:06:01,290
This one's not a new grocery.

2197
03:06:02,610 --> 03:06:04,330
I just want to make sure I know what I'm looking at.

2198
03:06:04,350 --> 03:06:05,330
I didn't depart from here.

2199
03:06:05,630 --> 03:06:06,530
I haven't seen the parking lot.

2200
03:06:06,730 --> 03:06:07,470
It isn't a parking lot.

2201
03:06:14,160 --> 03:06:15,160
It's a unique side.

2202
03:06:15,360 --> 03:06:19,620
I mean, you can see it's a, it's a, it's a challenging side.

2203
03:06:22,740 --> 03:06:26,760
But you're working, you're working, you're working as far as, you know, this is where it's going.

2204
03:06:28,620 --> 03:06:30,780
And this occurred on some grocery.

2205
03:06:31,700 --> 03:06:34,740
Now I know there were comments from the aircraft about, you know,

2206
03:06:34,740 --> 03:06:40,320
close to that intersection, you've done everything possible to try and keep it in the way of the intersection.

2207
03:06:40,400 --> 03:06:42,520
There's an existing group that there right now.

2208
03:06:42,780 --> 03:06:44,560
There's an existing group that right here.

2209
03:06:45,800 --> 03:06:50,680
We are exploring other ways of making this work.

2210
03:06:51,520 --> 03:06:55,840
Not telling you anymore, but we're doing everything else.

2211
03:06:56,000 --> 03:07:00,120
We'll look at the feasibility of it until we can determine that it works.

2212
03:07:00,700 --> 03:07:03,280
You can't present anything at this point.

2213
03:07:03,280 --> 03:07:08,720
So, one of the variances that's being requested is to have the additional curb cut on north-brud.

2214
03:07:09,180 --> 03:07:15,420
There's only the coat allows only one curb cut per lot, per lot, per lot.

2215
03:07:16,180 --> 03:07:16,400
Okay.

2216
03:07:16,620 --> 03:07:17,980
And you have three?

2217
03:07:18,780 --> 03:07:19,020
Four.

2218
03:07:19,480 --> 03:07:19,820
Okay.

2219
03:07:20,240 --> 03:07:20,540
I'm sorry.

2220
03:07:21,500 --> 03:07:22,300
One one's loading.

2221
03:07:22,820 --> 03:07:24,400
Let's get rid of the application.

2222
03:07:25,000 --> 03:07:26,260
Oh, how are you going to do loading on the street?

2223
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:32,480
This is a benefit. Should two on new broad.

2224
03:08:10,270 --> 03:08:14,130
on the previous application not 141.50.

2225
03:08:15,850 --> 03:08:17,330
The emergency room.

2226
03:08:17,870 --> 03:08:18,170
Yes.

2227
03:08:18,490 --> 03:08:20,810
How many current can we love in the dark?

2228
03:08:21,090 --> 03:08:24,130
You had your entrance in that particular room in that area.

2229
03:08:24,930 --> 03:08:28,130
You had entrance to the parking in the trash back there.

2230
03:08:28,650 --> 03:08:28,870
Yes.

2231
03:08:29,210 --> 03:08:31,090
One of those existing cuts.

2232
03:08:31,930 --> 03:08:33,030
There's a system of the corrupt.

2233
03:08:33,470 --> 03:08:35,070
You utilized that.

2234
03:08:36,550 --> 03:08:43,510
That's the same location that you don't know the same dimension or it might be, I'm just saying it's very close.

2235
03:08:44,110 --> 03:08:47,190
And again, this code has the improvements in the old code.

2236
03:08:47,470 --> 03:08:51,190
Because that 140 application was approved on the old code.

2237
03:08:51,730 --> 03:08:52,350
It works fine.

2238
03:08:53,090 --> 03:08:54,630
But anyways, what's wrong?

2239
03:08:55,470 --> 03:08:55,670
What's wrong?

2240
03:08:56,050 --> 03:08:57,590
Eight months or so.

2241
03:08:58,050 --> 03:08:59,510
And you have two parts on that.

2242
03:08:59,770 --> 03:09:01,730
This is misleading.

2243
03:09:01,730 --> 03:09:04,150
This is shot in the lower level here.

2244
03:09:04,270 --> 03:09:06,370
Oh, it should be honest.

2245
03:09:07,530 --> 03:09:09,970
I had that same question, look at that.

2246
03:09:11,090 --> 03:09:11,550
Let's see.

2247
03:09:11,850 --> 03:09:12,710
Let's see what we're talking about here.

2248
03:09:13,430 --> 03:09:14,170
That's lovely.

2249
03:09:14,730 --> 03:09:16,370
So he's only one here.

2250
03:09:16,970 --> 03:09:18,390
There's this below in space.

2251
03:09:18,930 --> 03:09:19,010
Correct.

2252
03:09:20,730 --> 03:09:21,770
That's two.

2253
03:09:22,430 --> 03:09:22,710
Two.

2254
03:09:23,350 --> 03:09:25,390
What is that yellow thing in the front there?

2255
03:09:25,690 --> 03:09:25,850
Right there.

2256
03:09:26,530 --> 03:09:28,270
That's probably a generator.

2257
03:09:28,530 --> 03:09:29,350
Maybe a transformer.

2258
03:09:31,150 --> 03:09:35,790
When you build a little key debt, take this to our hands and make just one, be

2259
03:09:35,790 --> 03:09:38,070
hurt cut and just lie inside.

2260
03:09:40,230 --> 03:09:41,310
There's also a width.

2261
03:09:42,310 --> 03:09:43,250
Maximum width.

2262
03:09:45,390 --> 03:09:45,530
Right.

2263
03:09:45,610 --> 03:09:45,990
10 feet.

2264
03:09:46,630 --> 03:09:47,890
No, I think it a little more here.

2265
03:09:50,030 --> 03:09:54,690
But those the issues that were okay with the new code and with the applications, we're

2266
03:09:54,690 --> 03:09:58,530
finding things that, I think the code.

2267
03:09:58,530 --> 03:10:06,490
Well, I think one of the biggest problems with the code is limiting a one-curcut to an entire lot it just makes no sense whatsoever

2268
03:10:08,370 --> 03:10:18,070
Okay, so the all you have you you have hoped there because as I stayed earlier the board of trustees kind of opened the door to say that it's not a completely big problem

2269
03:10:18,070 --> 03:10:20,510
So if you this is that when they adopt it the code

2270
03:10:20,510 --> 03:10:25,070
Yeah, so if you raise that issue and

2271
03:10:25,070 --> 03:10:30,890
taking on the thing, you know, that might be a very unreasonable demand. So, you know,

2272
03:10:31,110 --> 03:10:36,090
not as remember the commission, but just as or the board of observation, you know,

2273
03:10:38,860 --> 03:10:42,520
steps, your thoughts and see if you can get a clue from the picture on that.

2274
03:10:43,380 --> 03:10:48,680
So the benefit, the benefit, the benefit of the angel. I mean, we're here to facilitate this, you know,

2275
03:10:49,000 --> 03:10:55,160
development and just here. No, I believe that every time I get the board of trustees,

2276
03:10:55,160 --> 03:10:58,000
they adopted to recognize that there were going to be things that came up.

2277
03:10:58,100 --> 03:11:00,400
They've already made changes to the code.

2278
03:11:00,600 --> 03:11:02,600
They're contemplating, you know, is there a public hearing?

2279
03:11:02,740 --> 03:11:03,940
They have just completed one.

2280
03:11:04,360 --> 03:11:06,400
They have a UIC and Lair in the agenda.

2281
03:11:06,720 --> 03:11:10,180
They're at, you know, you're going to be considering providing a recommendation on another.

2282
03:11:10,900 --> 03:11:14,820
There are, there are, the Board of Trustees is keeping a list of the things that they are going

2283
03:11:14,820 --> 03:11:15,320
to do.

2284
03:11:15,460 --> 03:11:17,960
I know they asked Mr. Forrom, Mr. Lavala for, for there.

2285
03:11:18,060 --> 03:11:19,420
But I don't know, things that need to change.

2286
03:11:19,800 --> 03:11:22,440
Mr. Lavala, most of all, have conversations all the time.

2287
03:11:23,260 --> 03:11:27,620
what's going on? There's a way and we'd we'd we'd question to this doesn't seem to make any sense.

2288
03:11:27,800 --> 03:11:31,940
We give care input every week if we could just go to the second variance.

2289
03:11:33,680 --> 03:11:34,900
Please thank you.

2290
03:11:34,980 --> 03:11:37,060
So the second variance.

2291
03:11:38,080 --> 03:11:42,480
So there's a section of code that says that you're going to have a gate or an over-end door and that's

2292
03:11:45,960 --> 03:11:54,340
So, for example, in this area here is set by the gate 20, it really gives you the basics.

2293
03:11:57,460 --> 03:12:02,200
Same thing with the lovely area, we need to probably keep it open during the day.

2294
03:12:30,780 --> 03:12:32,180
So maybe that's a nice, so much of a concern, but definitely in the slower level of

2295
03:12:32,180 --> 03:12:36,700
the entire entire world. So it's whether it's virtually still a bit of a week, we have

2296
03:12:36,700 --> 03:12:42,280
two minutes, but here you've got too much, really. I mean, that would suggest, in a

2297
03:12:42,280 --> 03:12:48,560
course, you know what you want. I would suggest that you run this through AKRF, especially the

2298
03:12:48,560 --> 03:12:55,060
Pearl Street one, before going to zoning. This is a work of progress, and we're in

2299
03:12:55,060 --> 03:12:59,500
constant contact with them and trying to work out some musicians we have designed. We'd

2300
03:12:59,500 --> 03:13:06,280
to at least get the referrals in the interim, the plan may change and the plans often do change.

2301
03:13:06,580 --> 03:13:09,920
This way, if we have the referral, we can start to prepare our zoning board of appeals

2302
03:13:09,920 --> 03:13:10,440
applications.

2303
03:13:10,740 --> 03:13:14,940
There's a time frame and a lead time before we can get to the zoning board of appeals and that's

2304
03:13:14,940 --> 03:13:16,200
what we're asking for the referral.

2305
03:13:18,820 --> 03:13:23,400
If the zoning board of appeals doesn't like it, or if it does change, or if it's a lesson,

2306
03:13:23,880 --> 03:13:28,000
there's any over here, or if it doesn't like it, the nail will make a recommendation

2307
03:13:28,000 --> 03:13:30,980
of the board of Peals, which is the agency that make the determination.

2308
03:13:35,100 --> 03:13:35,280
Okay.

2309
03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:41,060
So, any other questions before we get into the referral of variants of this by anybody?

2310
03:13:41,620 --> 03:13:41,740
No.

2311
03:13:42,220 --> 03:13:45,300
You said that.

2312
03:13:45,300 --> 03:13:47,840
Certainly back to Pearl Street, and the two curb cuts.

2313
03:13:48,080 --> 03:13:52,120
You look, you consider that an internal ramp, but that's not going to work for you.

2314
03:13:52,800 --> 03:13:54,080
That was you said not yet.

2315
03:14:10,900 --> 03:14:14,680
So we're looking at everything at this point to see what we can do.

2316
03:14:14,880 --> 03:14:16,920
We haven't been able to finalize anything.

2317
03:14:17,980 --> 03:14:19,240
Should we get what we're going with this?

2318
03:14:19,500 --> 03:14:20,060
All right.

2319
03:14:20,060 --> 03:14:30,220
So then on that question, if you don't hypothetically, if you don't get the variance for the curb cuts on Perl, what

2320
03:14:41,650 --> 03:14:43,890
does that space could be used for?

2321
03:14:44,450 --> 03:14:45,690
I can't do that.

2322
03:14:45,790 --> 03:14:47,490
I can't have any mail on this radio.

2323
03:14:48,010 --> 03:14:48,690
Yes, I can't have any radio.

2324
03:14:48,990 --> 03:14:49,090
Yes, I can have any radio.

2325
03:14:49,090 --> 03:14:49,770
Yes, I can have any radio.

2326
03:14:50,010 --> 03:14:54,530
So, one another, one is there.

2327
03:15:42,660 --> 03:15:49,420
If you didn't have that second curb cut on Pearl, what if you only got one on Pearl? How would you?

2328
03:15:49,420 --> 03:15:55,100
We had one on the floor and one on the floor and still we were.

2329
03:15:59,860 --> 03:16:01,480
I'm just addressing the question.

2330
03:16:02,320 --> 03:16:03,100
What's your then deal?

2331
03:16:03,420 --> 03:16:05,960
So regardless, you still have one.

2332
03:16:06,740 --> 03:16:07,600
Well, I said that again.

2333
03:16:08,300 --> 03:16:10,260
The deal is going to sit very soon.

2334
03:16:14,780 --> 03:16:14,980
Right.

2335
03:16:17,820 --> 03:16:18,740
We're going to die as well.

2336
03:16:19,720 --> 03:16:20,100
Yeah.

2337
03:16:20,260 --> 03:16:21,780
You'll be at least two.

2338
03:16:36,930 --> 03:16:46,770
Yeah, I think that's the way the code doesn't differentiate between the CD3 district and the CD6 district.

2339
03:16:47,590 --> 03:16:49,770
Okay, so

2340
03:16:52,040 --> 03:16:56,040
let me ask for a motion to refer, hold on a second.

2341
03:16:59,700 --> 03:17:06,280
Let's do one, yeah, in order to re-circulate the notice of intent for 141-50,

2342
03:17:06,500 --> 03:17:07,360
Westchester Avenue,

2343
03:17:09,360 --> 03:17:13,580
to the Zoning Board, to declare late agency.

2344
03:17:13,580 --> 03:17:14,260
And the BOT.

2345
03:17:15,120 --> 03:17:16,300
And the BOT.

2346
03:17:16,700 --> 03:17:17,480
Oh, all agencies.

2347
03:17:18,480 --> 03:17:19,060
All agencies.

2348
03:17:19,860 --> 03:17:23,680
We have to understand, everyone plus ZBA and Board of Trustees.

2349
03:17:24,400 --> 03:17:24,480
Yes.

2350
03:17:24,480 --> 03:17:24,700
OK.

2351
03:17:24,980 --> 03:17:26,860
So that's the motion.

2352
03:17:27,900 --> 03:17:28,520
Sir, sir.

2353
03:17:28,520 --> 03:17:29,860
So thank you.

2354
03:17:30,280 --> 03:17:31,240
Jerry, is there a second?

2355
03:17:32,800 --> 03:17:33,600
Thank you, Julia.

2356
03:17:34,140 --> 03:17:35,080
Connie, when you're ready?

2357
03:17:35,680 --> 03:17:35,900
Yes.

2358
03:17:35,900 --> 03:17:36,480
That is.

2359
03:17:36,940 --> 03:17:38,040
Can you marry us?

2360
03:17:38,620 --> 03:17:38,940
Yes.

2361
03:17:39,760 --> 03:17:40,360
Yes.

2362
03:17:41,520 --> 03:17:41,820
Yes.

2363
03:17:44,720 --> 03:17:47,180
Okay, so that's not a result of intent.

2364
03:17:49,180 --> 03:17:52,540
Next is the referral for the variances to the ZBA.

2365
03:17:52,920 --> 03:17:54,080
You can generalize that.

2366
03:17:54,280 --> 03:17:56,680
That's all for the couple of variances that may be required.

2367
03:17:58,020 --> 03:18:05,980
So next is a motion to refer 141-50 waschester Avenue, case 2021,

2368
03:18:05,980 --> 03:18:13,040
1, 0, 2, 2, 0, 2, 0, 2, the ZBA for all variants since requested.

2369
03:18:17,360 --> 03:18:18,620
Look, all applicable variants.

2370
03:18:18,900 --> 03:18:19,660
This is a maybe required.

2371
03:18:19,700 --> 03:18:21,180
And I'd maybe need required.

2372
03:18:23,560 --> 03:18:24,260
At least it'll be.

2373
03:18:25,080 --> 03:18:26,280
But we're going to discuss the motion.

2374
03:18:26,720 --> 03:18:28,480
But I at least want to get the first in the second.

2375
03:18:32,640 --> 03:18:33,300
Thank you, Jerry.

2376
03:18:33,480 --> 03:18:34,200
Sir, second.

2377
03:18:37,300 --> 03:18:38,180
Okay, Julianne.

2378
03:18:38,280 --> 03:18:39,240
Discussion on the motion.

2379
03:18:39,620 --> 03:18:41,040
So what do you guys think of this motion?

2380
03:18:42,360 --> 03:18:43,540
I don't like to hear something wrong.

2381
03:18:45,060 --> 03:18:54,460
I have to admit that to the extent that our form-based code only allows one point of access

2382
03:18:54,460 --> 03:18:55,860
for a lot.

2383
03:18:57,060 --> 03:19:01,240
I can see that that type of one size fits all standard.

2384
03:19:02,380 --> 03:19:08,920
We would not work well till the twide and I can see without saying more.

2385
03:19:09,020 --> 03:19:18,300
I mean, I can see a rationale for a proper argument being made for the CBA to consider.

2386
03:19:19,660 --> 03:19:24,160
Any other thoughts before I jump in on discussion on the motion?

2387
03:19:24,160 --> 03:19:32,000
And just concerned about proletory, would it's the future holds for immunolid development

2388
03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:38,940
stuff in the world around that malaria, which we all know proletory is mayhem as it is right

2389
03:19:38,940 --> 03:19:40,360
now, it's no bill.

2390
03:19:41,420 --> 03:19:44,240
Okay, I'm just not sure how I'll have it true.

2391
03:19:45,440 --> 03:19:45,520
Andrew.

2392
03:19:45,680 --> 03:19:45,780
Andrew?

2393
03:19:45,780 --> 03:19:46,180
Yes, sir.

2394
03:19:46,440 --> 03:19:48,020
And again, is Mr. Serz in?

2395
03:19:48,120 --> 03:19:48,240
Okay.

2396
03:19:48,240 --> 03:19:52,800
We're looking at potential options in order to lessen the number of variants, or the extent

2397
03:19:52,800 --> 03:19:53,220
of the variants.

2398
03:19:53,220 --> 03:19:58,580
And to the extent that you have the feeling is this commission has done before, you've given

2399
03:19:58,580 --> 03:20:02,320
recommendations to the zone where you even know they look at this for a completely

2400
03:20:03,340 --> 03:20:05,200
different perspective with their analysis.

2401
03:20:05,460 --> 03:20:06,640
Yeah, current, that's what I'm going to say.

2402
03:20:06,640 --> 03:20:08,100
This is a procedural referral.

2403
03:20:08,340 --> 03:20:14,240
While we are grading and refer it, I think planning commission would also want to send an advisory

2404
03:20:15,400 --> 03:20:20,600
memo, whether it be baked into this motion or because we have done that in the past, where

2405
03:20:20,600 --> 03:20:27,560
we will find on each specific variance to reflect where the consensus is on the planning

2406
03:20:27,560 --> 03:20:32,900
commission for each specific variance. So, in this case, we may have some thoughts on

2407
03:20:32,900 --> 03:20:38,620
the first one, but we may be unanimous on the second one, just as a hypothetical example.

2408
03:20:40,880 --> 03:20:52,160
Yeah, I'm not sure that the variance is to be requested of the ZBA, or is that entirely clear tonight?

2409
03:20:53,740 --> 03:20:53,960
Yeah.

2410
03:20:54,440 --> 03:20:56,880
I don't have the exact variances that they're going to answer for it.

2411
03:20:57,000 --> 03:20:57,800
So how could we wait for it?

2412
03:20:58,040 --> 03:20:59,840
No, we should go through.

2413
03:21:00,120 --> 03:21:01,040
You don't have to go through.

2414
03:21:01,120 --> 03:21:03,500
If you propose three of them to us tonight,

2415
03:21:03,700 --> 03:21:04,820
and we saw a notion about it.

2416
03:21:04,820 --> 03:21:07,100
We'll go online and recommend that.

2417
03:21:07,100 --> 03:21:17,080
So, first of all, you're not obligated, first of all, you're not obligated to make a recommendation.

2418
03:21:18,200 --> 03:21:22,400
It's a procedural referral on the variance on the degree of not compliance.

2419
03:21:22,940 --> 03:21:25,140
Certainly understand the position that you're making.

2420
03:21:25,980 --> 03:21:29,260
I'm trying to send a signal to you that there's likely going to be a change in this plan,

2421
03:21:29,680 --> 03:21:31,220
and let Mr. Williams speak further.

2422
03:21:32,300 --> 03:21:38,600
I thought it might be useful if I explain what we think we're going to do.

2423
03:21:39,140 --> 03:21:43,560
So right now we're asking for two Kirkcuts on Pearl Street, two on Broad.

2424
03:21:44,200 --> 03:21:48,260
I think what we're going to be able to do and I need to do more analysis is to have one

2425
03:21:48,260 --> 03:21:51,020
Kirkcut on Pearl and two on Broad.

2426
03:21:51,780 --> 03:21:56,060
That's what I think, but I need to get to the zoning board and we need to do a little bit

2427
03:21:56,060 --> 03:21:58,880
more analysis so I can make that happen.

2428
03:21:58,880 --> 03:22:06,340
But right now, the plan is for a self-park, two curb cuts on Pearl and two on Broadway, if we do self-park.

2429
03:22:06,860 --> 03:22:10,840
But we'll see you never, isn't it? You're going to send something up there and they might ask the change.

2430
03:22:11,160 --> 03:22:12,320
It didn't come from a customer.

2431
03:22:13,200 --> 03:22:19,480
I feel more comfortable with what you just said, but I just wanted to give you exactly what's going through.

2432
03:22:19,860 --> 03:22:20,960
Would you add it to us?

2433
03:22:21,200 --> 03:22:21,760
Right, is that again?

2434
03:22:22,120 --> 03:22:24,080
I wish that I knew it was presented to us.

2435
03:22:24,140 --> 03:22:26,320
But I don't have it fully fleshed out. That's the problem.

2436
03:22:26,320 --> 03:22:29,700
So, of course, for Tony, if I may.

2437
03:22:30,080 --> 03:22:37,540
You're asking for a referral to go forward to the ZBA. We're going to come back to us. We're going to have to go back again.

2438
03:22:37,700 --> 03:22:48,540
We're asking to process simultaneously. So the two boards can effectively talk back before, because we still need this commission to act before it is only a board connect.

2439
03:22:49,060 --> 03:22:53,760
At that point, I would anticipate by the time we get the zone board, you're going to see the final plan whatever it is.

2440
03:22:53,760 --> 03:22:59,320
You're going to have to with a practical matter, you can't take an action, to see if you can't take an action, to you to your secret.

2441
03:22:59,760 --> 03:23:02,480
You can't do a secret to they figure out what they're going to do with all of this.

2442
03:23:02,900 --> 03:23:05,880
So it's going to take some time to flush itself out.

2443
03:23:06,420 --> 03:23:09,660
This way it's good to get a comment from this commission as we continue to move forward.

2444
03:23:10,020 --> 03:23:11,080
Now get, I'm sorry.

2445
03:23:11,480 --> 03:23:12,560
To interrupt Tony.

2446
03:23:13,020 --> 03:23:18,220
There's been times when this you all have been criticized for not making a substantive recommendation.

2447
03:23:18,560 --> 03:23:18,880
Right?

2448
03:23:18,880 --> 03:23:22,520
is on board and now you've been urged not to make that.

2449
03:23:22,560 --> 03:23:27,060
Well, since the beginning of the four-based code, we have been sending additional

2450
03:23:27,060 --> 03:23:32,720
comments with the, because I remember Mr. Baxter did it a number of times, I've, all right,

2451
03:23:33,320 --> 03:23:43,440
so we're just, I don't know, my memory is that we did send in a company summary of our thoughts

2452
03:23:43,440 --> 03:23:48,460
on, in some cases we were formed, that particular variance, or some cases we're against,

2453
03:23:48,460 --> 03:23:53,320
similar where we had multiple variances. We expressed what we were for this one, but not so much

2454
03:23:53,320 --> 03:23:59,860
without one or what other additional thoughts we had for those that we were sending. And we heard

2455
03:23:59,860 --> 03:24:05,200
loud and clear that the ZBA appreciated that information. The rubbers in this case, we're not sure

2456
03:24:05,200 --> 03:24:10,160
at this moment what those variances are going to be. Right, but all we can go by is what's being presented

2457
03:24:10,160 --> 03:24:17,940
to us and right now some of us don't like the idea of two curb cuts on per street, some of us

2458
03:24:17,940 --> 03:24:20,540
only like one curb, one curb kind of prostrate.

2459
03:24:20,720 --> 03:24:22,240
So I asked you if you make that recommendation.

2460
03:24:23,060 --> 03:24:23,620
That's part of your opinion.

2461
03:24:23,620 --> 03:24:25,240
You can make that express your opinion.

2462
03:24:26,440 --> 03:24:30,120
So I'm only one voice, but how important is it?

2463
03:24:30,220 --> 03:24:31,960
All can only be in one quarter to the time.

2464
03:24:32,180 --> 03:24:34,480
It's going to go to CGA and then it comes back to us

2465
03:24:34,480 --> 03:24:36,320
and you're saying one thing is in parallel.

2466
03:24:37,080 --> 03:24:41,940
No, what I'm saying is that in this happens in a ton of municipalities

2467
03:24:41,940 --> 03:24:44,320
that I process application before,

2468
03:24:47,370 --> 03:24:48,910
you or the lead agency.

2469
03:24:49,610 --> 03:24:56,590
You are taking your reviewing an application with a certain set of criteria, simultaneously, we're

2470
03:24:56,590 --> 03:25:01,450
before the Board of Trustees next week, simultaneously before the Zoning Board of Appeals.

2471
03:25:01,890 --> 03:25:07,150
You're all going to comment on different aspects of the application with different perspectives

2472
03:25:07,150 --> 03:25:08,730
and different things that you're reviewing.

2473
03:25:09,690 --> 03:25:13,870
That makes for a good obligation, as opposed to let me process before you for six months.

2474
03:25:14,310 --> 03:25:17,150
Then go to the Zoning Board of Appeals. They say something totally different.

2475
03:25:17,150 --> 03:25:23,810
Now I've got to come back to you, and undo what I've done for six months, that I go to the board of trustees, and then it happens all over again.

2476
03:25:24,070 --> 03:25:41,710
I'd like to express in terms of discussing the motion. I'd like to, and everyone jump in. I'd like to present, we're communicate that, at least for myself, the preferences for, at least for what's been proposed tonight,

2477
03:25:41,710 --> 03:25:47,790
one curb cut on Pearl Street and I'm okay with the two two curb cuts on the

2478
03:25:47,790 --> 03:25:54,350
broad street side that's my initial impression from what was presented tonight, but at

2479
03:25:54,350 --> 03:26:01,010
this point I would not be in favor of for curb cuts, and my understanding is now if

2480
03:26:01,010 --> 03:26:04,950
they change it on that, you can't go anywhere right now, you're sort of chomel check

2481
03:26:04,950 --> 03:26:09,830
right now because the way the code works now is really a lot of one curb cut for

2482
03:26:14,270 --> 03:26:23,710
So if we are able to, as Mr. Williams indicated, if we are able to work out these final details and eliminate the one curve cut on Pearl.

2483
03:26:24,010 --> 03:26:27,790
I'm still going to need a variance from the ZBA.

2484
03:26:28,490 --> 03:26:30,570
I'm still going to need a variance from the ZBA.

2485
03:26:30,590 --> 03:26:36,610
I'm still going to need a variance from the ZBA.

2486
03:26:38,070 --> 03:26:39,350
So let's say it's a little bit of a way.

2487
03:26:39,690 --> 03:26:43,570
So if I had a 20-yard 20 foot front yard set back,

2488
03:26:44,110 --> 03:26:47,350
and then I changed the, where the house is being located,

2489
03:26:47,990 --> 03:26:49,190
I'm less sending the virus.

2490
03:26:49,190 --> 03:26:51,530
I might still need the virus, but I'm less sending the virus.

2491
03:26:51,790 --> 03:26:53,530
And that's what we're hoping we're going to be able to do.

2492
03:26:54,530 --> 03:26:58,270
Well, the farming problem we did our workshop at the CBA a couple years ago.

2493
03:26:58,350 --> 03:27:01,510
One of the things that he indicated to us is that they always felt

2494
03:27:01,510 --> 03:27:04,170
we didn't know what we are to use to launch our foundations.

2495
03:27:04,170 --> 03:27:19,730
We felt the same. The fact that white is recommended in the night, I agree with them, as at least if we send them our ideas of what we would like to see, then we'll probably make it easier for you guys, you know.

2496
03:27:19,730 --> 03:27:21,750
Well, I'm not objected at it.

2497
03:27:22,050 --> 03:27:24,030
The kind of airfives of flying all of the ZBA,

2498
03:27:24,170 --> 03:27:25,610
they're going to say, what was the planning?

2499
03:27:27,630 --> 03:27:29,690
I'll tell them exactly whatever one of you said.

2500
03:27:30,010 --> 03:27:30,310
No, paraphrase.

2501
03:27:31,890 --> 03:27:33,770
I'm not objecting to you making a recommendation.

2502
03:27:33,830 --> 03:27:35,090
What I said is, you don't need to.

2503
03:27:35,110 --> 03:27:38,110
You're not obligated to, certainly if you want to do so,

2504
03:27:38,630 --> 03:27:39,950
I'm not telling you not to do that.

2505
03:27:40,050 --> 03:27:43,190
Since the Foreign Base Code, we really try to provide,

2506
03:27:43,370 --> 03:27:45,730
not only the referral, but at least some communication

2507
03:27:45,730 --> 03:27:49,470
to the ZBA is to where, whether where,

2508
03:27:49,470 --> 03:27:54,170
whether we are supportive of this or not at all, right?

2509
03:27:55,910 --> 03:27:59,650
But so my at least for myself, I'm not supportive of

2510
03:27:59,650 --> 03:28:03,490
four curb cuts, but I'd be glad to recommend

2511
03:28:03,490 --> 03:28:07,530
or express a preference for one curb cut on Pearl.

2512
03:28:08,070 --> 03:28:10,310
And the two that was presented tonight on Broad Street.

2513
03:28:10,570 --> 03:28:11,770
Why, where was the ABCC?

2514
03:28:11,850 --> 03:28:12,910
Why are you being with that?

2515
03:28:13,290 --> 03:28:15,430
Okay, Gary, what are you doing to have this?

2516
03:28:15,770 --> 03:28:16,590
No, I am.

2517
03:28:16,590 --> 03:28:18,170
You know that's basically, you guys?

2518
03:28:18,170 --> 03:28:21,050
Okay, so I think we're unanimous on that. So crazy.

2519
03:28:23,610 --> 03:28:24,630
What's your service?

2520
03:28:25,610 --> 03:28:28,170
When EPRF tells us what...

2521
03:28:28,710 --> 03:28:33,370
The applicant tells us what they want to do in EPRF tells us what they feel about it.

2522
03:28:34,190 --> 03:28:34,390
No.

2523
03:28:34,570 --> 03:28:34,590
Okay.

2524
03:28:36,070 --> 03:28:37,830
But I'm so understanding, isn't it?

2525
03:28:38,030 --> 03:28:38,510
Right.

2526
03:28:38,970 --> 03:28:40,470
But Pils gives them this variance.

2527
03:28:41,090 --> 03:28:44,170
That doesn't tire our hands later to say, well...

2528
03:28:45,350 --> 03:28:46,490
Well, actually it does.

2529
03:28:52,690 --> 03:29:16,110
That's why I'm not going up. I wouldn't vote for four curb cuts based on what I saw tonight, and as I understand it, I'd be comfortable referring it for

2530
03:29:16,110 --> 03:29:20,230
with respect to parking, but there are secret impacts that can't be mitigated.

2531
03:29:20,510 --> 03:29:23,670
There's more concertally take action that's different.

2532
03:29:23,950 --> 03:29:26,670
In this particular instance, if there's only more grants of variances,

2533
03:29:29,010 --> 03:29:30,190
maybe there's only quite a broader.

2534
03:29:30,430 --> 03:29:35,150
But if there's a conflict issue and a traffic issue that can't be mitigated,

2535
03:29:35,510 --> 03:29:37,350
certainly you can make a big and determination.

2536
03:29:38,010 --> 03:29:38,790
That's what I'm saying.

2537
03:29:39,270 --> 03:29:41,650
That's why I'm adding all of that to you on the secret.

2538
03:29:42,570 --> 03:29:43,970
We can further use the secret.

2539
03:29:43,970 --> 03:29:48,890
And you have to make that determination before this easy attack.

2540
03:29:49,910 --> 03:29:50,830
So it's totally everything.

2541
03:29:51,430 --> 03:29:51,710
Okay.

2542
03:30:01,200 --> 03:30:08,360
So if we leave expressed ourselves, so Kurt, when the referral goes to the ZBI, you have what

2543
03:30:08,360 --> 03:30:14,460
enough tape to why you summon the language that we've expressed on this to bed our comments and the referral document.

2544
03:30:15,060 --> 03:30:21,960
Yeah, I mean, I'm concerned about accurately portraying the consensus, but again, I mean, as mentioned date,

2545
03:30:22,340 --> 03:30:29,200
okay, I know what you stated that the ZBI often appreciates planning commissions input when

2546
03:30:29,200 --> 03:30:36,680
requires. There's seen to be a consensus of support regarding one curb cut on Perl and two on the broad street.

2547
03:30:38,040 --> 03:30:46,040
But we're going to refer it as as we originally using the language, Mr. Strado provided to us to the ZBA.

2548
03:30:46,360 --> 03:30:50,360
So we have a motion we have a second and Connie, when you're ready, you can call the roll.

2549
03:30:50,360 --> 03:30:51,320
Is that okay?

2550
03:30:51,480 --> 03:30:52,040
Yeah.

2551
03:30:52,040 --> 03:30:52,440
And Larry?

2552
03:30:52,820 --> 03:30:53,140
Yes.

2553
03:30:53,320 --> 03:30:53,580
We're ready?

2554
03:30:53,740 --> 03:30:54,280
No.

2555
03:30:55,800 --> 03:30:56,460
And do a bit?

2556
03:30:56,540 --> 03:30:56,960
Yes.

2557
03:30:57,400 --> 03:30:58,300
And a five-row?

2558
03:30:58,860 --> 03:30:59,120
Yeah.

2559
03:30:59,580 --> 03:31:00,060
That's really?

2560
03:31:01,940 --> 03:31:02,380
Yes.

2561
03:31:04,500 --> 03:31:05,320
Just go with now.

2562
03:31:05,460 --> 03:31:06,020
You feel better.

2563
03:31:11,360 --> 03:31:13,060
You'll stay with it.

2564
03:31:13,240 --> 03:31:13,300
No.

2565
03:31:14,380 --> 03:31:14,600
No.

2566
03:31:14,980 --> 03:31:15,940
I said yes.

2567
03:31:17,320 --> 03:31:17,540
Thank you.

2568
03:31:19,340 --> 03:31:19,900
Yes.

2569
03:31:20,720 --> 03:31:21,260
Thank you.

2570
03:31:22,460 --> 03:31:22,740
Okay.

2571
03:31:22,740 --> 03:31:26,800
We'll see you next month, and did you want to schedule a public hearing for next month on this application?

2572
03:31:33,170 --> 03:31:37,050
We'll see you next month

2573
03:31:39,930 --> 03:31:43,730
I don't believe that's the consensus tonight. We'll see you next month over.

2574
03:31:43,730 --> 03:31:46,410
I have to make you feel good about something, thank you.

2575
03:31:48,610 --> 03:31:52,590
Next item on the agenda, case 2021-0221,

2576
03:31:53,130 --> 03:31:56,890
a new public meeting for 15 North Main Street.

2577
03:32:10,260 --> 03:32:11,860
Okay, to grab that.

2578
03:32:13,720 --> 03:32:16,020
That's what I was joking, he has enough taste to listen to,

2579
03:32:16,020 --> 03:32:19,620
to use a foreign discussion as the text or a referral.

2580
03:32:21,360 --> 03:32:21,940
Good evening.

2581
03:32:22,160 --> 03:32:22,640
Good evening.

2582
03:32:22,740 --> 03:32:25,200
Michael Mashujak, one of the design engineers for the project.

2583
03:32:25,200 --> 03:32:31,500
What we have in front of you today is in proposed 6-storey, mixed-use building at 15-month

2584
03:32:31,500 --> 03:32:37,480
being street, just adjacent to one north-been street, off-Wishwester Avenue, over the past

2585
03:32:37,480 --> 03:32:42,280
once since our submission will work to which it consults, to go through the designs of the project

2586
03:32:42,280 --> 03:32:46,700
and make sure that everything needs code and we're still working with dominance and detailing.

2587
03:32:47,700 --> 03:32:48,880
I'll just walk you through the project.

2588
03:32:51,570 --> 03:32:52,850
I'm sorry, one thing that the building

2589
03:32:52,850 --> 03:32:55,510
to the right, as we tell the evidence, in construction.

2590
03:32:56,130 --> 03:32:58,510
This is under construction, so I superimposed what

2591
03:32:58,510 --> 03:33:00,390
I, the final product will look like.

2592
03:33:07,110 --> 03:33:11,350
We have, of course, the story building, it is sent back from building

2593
03:33:11,350 --> 03:33:14,070
to the rear of us, in order to operate in points

2594
03:33:14,070 --> 03:33:17,230
based on the requirements we can meet from the node.

2595
03:33:17,730 --> 03:33:19,930
We have LV-D, first of all, to meet you in point

2596
03:33:19,930 --> 03:33:21,390
both in the base of the node.

2597
03:33:21,450 --> 03:33:25,270
LV-D, we have created the untering within the wheelchair

2598
03:33:25,270 --> 03:33:27,230
left and order to meet in K-Code.

2599
03:33:28,910 --> 03:33:38,360
And the first floor has the retail space, one, then the apartment in the rear of the

2600
03:33:38,360 --> 03:33:44,300
canclet units, the other windows, the other windows, the other windows, the other windows,

2601
03:33:45,440 --> 03:33:49,840
the other windows, the other windows, and the other windows, the second and third floor, also

2602
03:33:49,840 --> 03:33:54,740
provide proper, affordable units to the retail space.

2603
03:33:57,410 --> 03:33:58,430
Thank you.

2604
03:33:59,450 --> 03:34:00,870
Kurt from quite a part.

2605
03:34:01,210 --> 03:34:04,970
Yes, again, it was a few months ago that I first met with the

2606
03:34:04,970 --> 03:34:07,770
two gentlemen before us and, of course, this is a true

2607
03:34:07,770 --> 03:34:08,590
infill project.

2608
03:34:09,110 --> 03:34:13,910
I see that the design professional has, as Tav mentioned, shows it

2609
03:34:13,910 --> 03:34:17,910
seamlessly next to retail date when I saw true infill meeting

2610
03:34:18,910 --> 03:34:24,850
vacant lot and literally a piece of the block namely a building

2611
03:34:24,850 --> 03:34:25,430
missing.

2612
03:34:28,670 --> 03:34:33,450
So this was something that I actually expressed at the time of the pre-application conference

2613
03:34:33,450 --> 03:34:39,990
that I would welcome. Given the circumstances, the nature of the infill, the vacant

2614
03:34:39,990 --> 03:34:54,830
line. Obviously there is no room for parking on the site. There are ways to reduce that and

2615
03:34:54,830 --> 03:35:04,750
There are several ways whether it be reductions that are available or even monetary cost for

2616
03:35:04,750 --> 03:35:08,410
a space missing, but we can get to that in a bit.

2617
03:35:09,290 --> 03:35:13,210
So I'm very pleased to see this project being introduced tonight.

2618
03:35:13,450 --> 03:35:19,730
And of course, you can see that already before we've even gotten to it, it's elevated

2619
03:35:19,730 --> 03:35:24,410
out of the flood point, I'm going to guess it's on the VH.

2620
03:35:24,590 --> 03:35:26,950
Face one elevation plus two feet plus two foot.

2621
03:35:27,190 --> 03:35:27,470
All right.

2622
03:35:27,910 --> 03:35:33,210
So it's already there where we're not having to engage in that

2623
03:35:33,210 --> 03:35:34,650
in the middle of the process.

2624
03:35:37,430 --> 03:35:41,170
So this is something that I wanted.

2625
03:35:41,270 --> 03:35:43,110
I was looking forward to the commission seeing.

2626
03:35:43,610 --> 03:35:44,230
All right.

2627
03:35:45,090 --> 03:35:45,590
All right.

2628
03:35:46,550 --> 03:35:47,770
There's a different site.

2629
03:35:47,770 --> 03:35:52,710
we haven't got the most recent site plan that fixed the retail for the support of the retail.

2630
03:35:53,610 --> 03:35:56,290
My site plan at home is so different.

2631
03:35:57,570 --> 03:35:58,270
You know what?

2632
03:35:58,750 --> 03:35:59,770
Have I heard you further?

2633
03:36:00,450 --> 03:36:02,110
If I, I see.

2634
03:36:02,930 --> 03:36:04,870
I mean, I can chat against what we've gotten for that.

2635
03:36:05,010 --> 03:36:05,670
Let's put this way.

2636
03:36:05,850 --> 03:36:09,950
I mean, you usually write on the mark when you say what you got or what you didn't get.

2637
03:36:10,830 --> 03:36:12,590
We go and show the retail on the first floor.

2638
03:36:12,870 --> 03:36:15,830
One of the previous designs had tool apartments on the first floor.

2639
03:36:15,830 --> 03:36:22,330
So currently we have 16 units total, so the upper five floors, three units each, and one residential

2640
03:36:22,330 --> 03:36:26,710
now prior to that we did when we were thinking of having a basement where we'd have a

2641
03:36:26,710 --> 03:36:28,590
chemical, and we had two apartments.

2642
03:36:29,110 --> 03:36:32,310
I think working with consultants because we had to be about the base photo, the base photo,

2643
03:36:32,310 --> 03:36:36,970
the base photo, the mechanicals, we redeveloped into remove one apartment in order to make

2644
03:36:36,970 --> 03:36:38,330
them from a chemical space.

2645
03:36:38,830 --> 03:36:39,870
So maybe that was a conclusion.

2646
03:36:39,990 --> 03:36:45,490
There's been a couple of changes within the last month, you know, especially last couple

2647
03:36:47,750 --> 03:36:51,390
Okay, that's a good question, because I know we're, you know,

2648
03:36:51,410 --> 03:36:57,410
version control, conversations, everyone's so well, yeah, so,

2649
03:36:57,410 --> 03:37:00,890
all right, so currently you're up to Peter for make care of?

2650
03:37:03,800 --> 03:37:07,420
Yeah, and we just, we've been working with them for a month, two months,

2651
03:37:07,620 --> 03:37:12,340
you know, going through a lot of the details to get it complete, and I think, you know,

2652
03:37:12,340 --> 03:37:14,440
really good progress.

2653
03:37:16,700 --> 03:37:20,240
I had a couple comments, I know you already submitted some responses

2654
03:37:20,240 --> 03:37:24,980
to them. Thank you. I have not had a chance to look at them. One question had to do with how

2655
03:37:24,980 --> 03:37:29,500
the steps in wheelchair lift, fit.

2656
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:35,680
We're on the lot. I mean, it's clearly, they're not in the right of way at all. But the question is, kind of, the building

2657
03:37:35,680 --> 03:37:40,280
set back a footer two minute. It looks like there's one riser that's, and I'm just kind of wondering how

2658
03:37:40,280 --> 03:37:46,000
that works. It does that first riser, kind of stick out a little bit and, and kind of how that

2659
03:37:46,000 --> 03:37:56,840
looks. And then the project has to include two affordable rental units. But it's important to note that

2660
03:37:56,840 --> 03:38:05,840
code places minimum sizes on those affordable units by bedroom size and only the first floor

2661
03:38:06,540 --> 03:38:11,340
I'm sorry only the one bedroom apartment on the upper floors and meet that criteria

2662
03:38:12,480 --> 03:38:18,840
because the other units are all smaller than that minimum standard so be this situation where

2663
03:38:19,540 --> 03:38:26,300
two of the, you know, they're four larger, one-bedroom units and two of them would have to

2664
03:38:26,300 --> 03:38:33,200
be reserved as affordable units. And the balance of them of the units would be smaller than

2665
03:38:33,200 --> 03:38:41,880
that. So it's just an odd situation, nothing wrong with it. It's just an odd situation for the

2666
03:38:41,880 --> 03:38:42,700
the developer.

2667
03:38:51,810 --> 03:38:53,370
It's very odd.

2668
03:38:57,350 --> 03:39:09,030
It's a tight lot. It's a tight lot and it's a tight lot and the way it is and it the code most affordable hasn't got didn't anticipate this type of development.

2669
03:39:09,030 --> 03:39:09,650
for the coverage of the situation.

2670
03:39:12,290 --> 03:39:14,450
Just in that alone.

2671
03:39:39,840 --> 03:39:40,720
Thank you.

2672
03:39:40,780 --> 03:39:41,440
Just in.

2673
03:39:47,230 --> 03:39:49,210
We tracked this slide.

2674
03:39:49,550 --> 03:39:50,830
Again, I got a question in the menu.

2675
03:39:51,150 --> 03:39:52,630
It's not a question.

2676
03:39:53,190 --> 03:39:53,330
It's not a question.

2677
03:39:53,330 --> 03:39:53,710
It's not a question.

2678
03:39:53,970 --> 03:39:54,270
It's not a question.

2679
03:39:55,010 --> 03:39:57,870
It's not a question.

2680
03:40:43,370 --> 03:40:44,450
Okay.

2681
03:40:46,850 --> 03:40:56,270
Thank you. Questions from the commission to the applicant or court or the CARF?

2682
03:40:56,270 --> 03:41:01,230
Go ahead. Yes. You said you had two affordable.

2683
03:41:07,970 --> 03:41:10,290
We have five floors above that are

2684
03:41:10,290 --> 03:41:16,250
reasonable. That's one, two, three apartments, a studio, a small alone bedroom, and a larger

2685
03:41:16,250 --> 03:41:21,450
one bedroom at the front. So this is more of an injury. So on the second and third floor,

2686
03:41:22,090 --> 03:41:29,690
these two larger apartments will be used for the affordable housing. Okay. So then you just have

2687
03:41:29,690 --> 03:41:31,930
studios in one bedroom for it.

2688
03:41:34,960 --> 03:41:35,220
Thank you.

2689
03:41:36,840 --> 03:41:37,020
Thank you.

2690
03:41:37,020 --> 03:41:37,540
Okay, Jerry.

2691
03:41:37,780 --> 03:41:38,400
No, no questions.

2692
03:41:39,180 --> 03:41:39,820
No, no.

2693
03:41:40,580 --> 03:41:40,740
No.

2694
03:41:46,200 --> 03:41:46,320
It's.

2695
03:41:47,580 --> 03:41:50,280
Again, I apologize for not remembering the site plan.

2696
03:41:51,160 --> 03:41:51,700
I probably don't.

2697
03:41:52,160 --> 03:41:53,220
But just.

2698
03:41:54,220 --> 03:41:57,180
It's your facade or the design of the front building.

2699
03:41:57,960 --> 03:42:02,100
You know, is that cast in stone because I feel like it just looks like the other building.

2700
03:42:02,100 --> 03:42:04,380
And then it's attached to it.

2701
03:42:04,600 --> 03:42:15,560
Well, any developments that you can incorporate in the front of your building that might carry in the streetscape, historical streetcape, you know, maybe some cell, some archway or some keystone or something.

2702
03:42:16,100 --> 03:42:19,540
Right, so we do have limestone cells on all the way down here.

2703
03:42:19,860 --> 03:42:22,360
We have also headers as well, limestone headers.

2704
03:42:23,160 --> 03:42:28,100
We do have some design trim as some design trim work around the storefront.

2705
03:42:28,100 --> 03:42:30,800
plus the limestone at the waist.

2706
03:42:31,140 --> 03:42:33,720
It's a great bump, some limestone and some great work.

2707
03:42:34,020 --> 03:42:38,360
You also have some bendable leg and such in the top of the building.

2708
03:42:39,180 --> 03:42:42,700
We can look at some access, it's going to be doing some great points.

2709
03:42:42,880 --> 03:42:46,080
And maybe a header course we can access of that.

2710
03:42:46,340 --> 03:42:49,460
We want to try to keep the look more historic to our theme.

2711
03:42:49,960 --> 03:42:50,820
Well, yes, that's right.

2712
03:42:50,940 --> 03:42:53,320
I mean, across the street for me, they just finished the boat.

2713
03:42:53,600 --> 03:42:55,080
They just put them in militants along.

2714
03:42:55,220 --> 03:42:55,520
Of course.

2715
03:42:57,820 --> 03:43:03,860
So what we sometimes ask, if some applicants, but this is very small, if we replace

2716
03:43:03,860 --> 03:43:10,040
me, see what the view of the building would have had it down from the north of the main street

2717
03:43:10,040 --> 03:43:16,780
And so I had a vision way of just again an idea of how it's going to work with the building

2718
03:43:16,780 --> 03:43:18,660
that's true after you're there.

2719
03:43:22,680 --> 03:43:24,980
And we can do a couple of different questions.

2720
03:43:25,440 --> 03:43:26,400
Let's go for a minute.

2721
03:43:27,180 --> 03:43:28,120
I think it's a bit weird.

2722
03:43:28,440 --> 03:43:32,380
How many feet did you say are being in the back end building between the back end

2723
03:43:32,380 --> 03:43:34,320
and the back end is building in the end of the other building?

2724
03:43:40,480 --> 03:43:44,120
So we're interested in that.

2725
03:43:45,380 --> 03:43:57,660
Approximately four and a half to four foot nine inches, so those back apartments, the windows, are basically up against the, at least on the lower floors, so it's all over.

2726
03:43:58,260 --> 03:44:05,040
Well, yeah, I mean, you have a building behind me, so I mean, you still get sunlight because the building that wraps around this is lowered.

2727
03:44:05,600 --> 03:44:11,480
You know, as you show on the rendering, it's only three stories, we're taller, you still get some sunlight, you still get some fresh air.

2728
03:44:11,480 --> 03:44:14,480
It does mean you don't control it in your environment.

2729
03:44:17,720 --> 03:44:18,200
Trudeanne?

2730
03:44:18,680 --> 03:44:19,000
Yeah.

2731
03:44:19,640 --> 03:44:20,120
Okay.

2732
03:44:20,740 --> 03:44:20,980
Matt?

2733
03:44:21,460 --> 03:44:24,240
How much space is there between you and me adjacent?

2734
03:44:25,480 --> 03:44:25,960
Nothing.

2735
03:44:26,180 --> 03:44:26,620
Nothing.

2736
03:44:26,920 --> 03:44:27,120
What do you want?

2737
03:44:28,400 --> 03:44:28,620
Again.

2738
03:44:29,560 --> 03:44:30,220
Back to it.

2739
03:44:30,260 --> 03:44:30,600
Peter's point.

2740
03:44:31,360 --> 03:44:32,140
There's no window.

2741
03:44:32,300 --> 03:44:34,200
There's no light coming in from that side.

2742
03:44:34,360 --> 03:44:35,440
I'm the size now.

2743
03:44:35,660 --> 03:44:36,160
What can I do?

2744
03:44:36,420 --> 03:44:38,040
Because we have a railroad platform.

2745
03:44:38,760 --> 03:44:40,780
Well, if we did try to...

2746
03:44:40,780 --> 03:44:46,180
something those buildings are built right up to the property line. So you're going to have a three-foot alley,

2747
03:44:46,860 --> 03:44:51,820
and the new building being built is almost as slow as us. It's going to feel like an alleyway.

2748
03:44:53,080 --> 03:44:55,660
It's an interesting point because...

2749
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:09,740
His code, envisioning projects that are proposed, have noticed, and they said, well, what is the regulation?

2750
03:45:09,900 --> 03:45:17,920
What is the way that you allow for air and light? And I believe that those standards are in the building code.

2751
03:45:17,920 --> 03:45:20,420
I'm looking at the desired professional tip, confirmed.

2752
03:45:21,540 --> 03:45:31,840
So I mean, this is where we're at given our zero-lot line allowances and the interest and

2753
03:45:31,840 --> 03:45:34,960
continuing to have an urban downtown.

2754
03:45:36,080 --> 03:45:38,780
But it's an interesting point and a good discussion.

2755
03:45:40,080 --> 03:45:46,140
My other question is, as far as the rooftop, what's that going to be like?

2756
03:45:49,200 --> 03:46:04,860
I mean, it's in an area that already has, I mean, I know you run up a big quick quick, but it's in an area that, as you know, you send your two feet above the plug plant, but that's an area that collects a lot of water, a lot of water, so I'd like you a little bit more about what you want to do with this.

2757
03:46:04,860 --> 03:46:11,300
I'm here right now, which has a standard platform that just starts to back and close the drain.

2758
03:46:11,460 --> 03:46:12,560
It brings it to the storm.

2759
03:46:13,100 --> 03:46:16,360
So the roof is going to be the last four of the air conditions that are units.

2760
03:46:17,120 --> 03:46:20,020
So because we're going to put many split systems in each of the apartments.

2761
03:46:20,980 --> 03:46:22,240
So we need a place for the conversation.

2762
03:46:23,100 --> 03:46:24,220
We have to be two-point both.

2763
03:46:24,840 --> 03:46:29,140
Based on what everything we have, we have no side yard rear yard to put them in.

2764
03:46:29,340 --> 03:46:31,020
We're not going to put it in the back.

2765
03:46:34,660 --> 03:46:44,920
So we put everything up on the, we've utilized it in a way where we can minimize any energy and we'll also have a piping, you know, that will be staggered, that will be in this.

2766
03:46:45,000 --> 03:46:55,260
I did supply a, that was one of the key comments from the materials opens, and I provided a little claim that they're all, you know, this was just recently that they comments from the 14,

2767
03:46:59,900 --> 03:47:01,120
like to hear more.

2768
03:47:02,720 --> 03:47:08,340
Not related directly to your development, but in general, I suppose for a car RF, at least

2769
03:47:08,340 --> 03:47:13,920
for myself, I'd like to hear a little more about what the situation is when it's storm

2770
03:47:14,800 --> 03:47:20,700
runoff, I know there's an issue where there's a drain of collapse, I don't have a clear

2771
03:47:20,700 --> 03:47:26,740
idea in my mind, we're about to drain runoff exactly, and what other, what the rest of

2772
03:47:26,740 --> 03:47:34,720
infrastructure looks like downtown, maybe at some point the commission gets a kind of workshop

2773
03:47:34,720 --> 03:47:41,700
or presentation outside of the scope of your application, you know, in general, because

2774
03:47:41,700 --> 03:47:44,120
I'm curious, I'm just in your life here.

2775
03:47:44,480 --> 03:47:48,440
Yeah, I'm in commission, so I don't know if I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time.

2776
03:47:48,460 --> 03:47:50,180
Maybe it's just as an idea.

2777
03:47:51,180 --> 03:47:55,980
Maybe in your right it's the other's application, but maybe at some point this calendar year

2778
03:47:55,980 --> 03:47:58,780
we could have a workshop with the playing department,

2779
03:47:58,940 --> 03:48:04,120
making you invite Justin to give us a refresher or a crash course

2780
03:48:04,120 --> 03:48:09,380
on sewers and water systems and something like that for you.

2781
03:48:10,320 --> 03:48:12,280
You know, for use my project, I think it's the implement.

2782
03:48:12,680 --> 03:48:12,980
That's fine.

2783
03:48:14,200 --> 03:48:16,620
I've let you have to stand because it's a story.

2784
03:48:18,000 --> 03:48:22,440
That's because we've had prior planning staff,

2785
03:48:22,460 --> 03:48:24,400
prior members of the playing department,

2786
03:48:24,400 --> 03:48:31,000
sometimes even the village attorney's office give us more of these concept refreshers as they're called

2787
03:48:31,000 --> 03:48:36,300
Nellie for for new folks on the plane commission, but for those of us who sometimes need a

2788
03:48:36,300 --> 03:48:41,260
refresher. So the timing would be good Mr Chairman to do it as soon as possible in this

2789
03:48:41,260 --> 03:48:47,320
calendar year. And Mim Matthew has reached out to me to to express a few generalized questions.

2790
03:48:48,220 --> 03:48:53,640
And and I suggested that there would be a place in time for that and I hope to deliver on that soon.

2791
03:48:53,640 --> 03:48:55,260
But we have a lot of our new members.

2792
03:48:55,420 --> 03:49:00,720
We have a lot to cover, but in terms of code fixes and all kinds of other projects.

2793
03:49:01,700 --> 03:49:04,820
And even if we only have one workshop a month, we still couldn't cover it all.

2794
03:49:04,960 --> 03:49:08,880
So we're going to have to pick and choose, you know, but that's a separate conversation.

2795
03:49:09,440 --> 03:49:11,140
If you had one additional question, the question.

2796
03:49:12,520 --> 03:49:19,260
Can we ensure that the part of the part weighs in on this concern about access in the event of emergency?

2797
03:49:19,840 --> 03:49:20,260
Sure.

2798
03:49:21,960 --> 03:49:28,540
Yes, I mean, that should be, well, it should be a matter of a fire-coding building

2799
03:49:28,540 --> 03:49:37,180
code, namely the fire chief and the building department, but yes, I think it's important

2800
03:49:37,180 --> 03:49:38,240
for everyone to understand.

2801
03:49:39,240 --> 03:49:40,100
I just have one question.

2802
03:49:40,360 --> 03:49:49,780
If we go to the screen that showed the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, the

2803
03:49:49,780 --> 03:49:53,640
the first floor with a retail space, please.

2804
03:49:59,980 --> 03:50:01,780
Yes, that's the one.

2805
03:50:02,380 --> 03:50:04,700
No, no, just what we're looking at, that's perfect.

2806
03:50:07,040 --> 03:50:09,800
So the, you know, the first floor retail,

2807
03:50:10,480 --> 03:50:14,060
and you had a pedestrian access coming in off the door there,

2808
03:50:14,240 --> 03:50:17,400
going, and then you know, the choice to go into the retail.

2809
03:50:18,660 --> 03:50:24,300
What's the, what's separate, what stops the pedestrian from going further into the building

2810
03:50:24,300 --> 03:50:34,120
to the residential section, what are we going to do with the access residents, to keep an access

2811
03:50:34,120 --> 03:50:34,900
control?

2812
03:50:35,140 --> 03:50:36,520
It's a whole lot of the store to get it.

2813
03:50:36,720 --> 03:50:40,460
Okay, now somebody won't be in trying to get their storage, let me get through to the

2814
03:50:40,460 --> 03:50:41,240
key access.

2815
03:50:41,560 --> 03:50:49,440
Okay, now the retail, because you are in that flood area, so it may not, well, it's up to

2816
03:50:49,440 --> 03:50:54,280
the retail owner, I guess, whether or not to put inventory in the basement, but we're

2817
03:50:54,280 --> 03:51:01,100
would they put their inventory because I'm used to seeing some kind of storage room or something

2818
03:51:01,100 --> 03:51:06,940
behind the actual retail area that's open to the customers. So where were their inventory?

2819
03:51:07,500 --> 03:51:09,040
Where's their stock going to be?

2820
03:51:09,260 --> 03:51:10,320
Well there's no basement before.

2821
03:51:10,860 --> 03:51:11,140
Right.

2822
03:51:12,060 --> 03:51:14,500
So right now we're just creating what they know about.

2823
03:51:14,760 --> 03:51:24,260
So right now we're just creating what they know about.

2824
03:51:25,780 --> 03:51:33,760
So, at that case, you know, we design an area with a little bathroom and some sort of source depending on what's going to be the use.

2825
03:51:33,960 --> 03:51:38,200
I didn't see the bathroom. Where's the bathroom for the employees of the retail?

2826
03:51:38,600 --> 03:51:42,820
Any of them? You don't know exactly what you're seeing, you know, which kind of materials.

2827
03:51:42,820 --> 03:51:54,600
Yeah, because we want to separate the bathroom for the customers of the retail user, even the employees of the retail use from the residential unit in the back.

2828
03:51:55,760 --> 03:51:56,820
I guess I guess I'm not

2829
03:52:10,290 --> 03:52:10,910
sure.

2830
03:52:10,910 --> 03:52:20,910
So maybe that could be updated to show the bathroom facilities for the retail use.

2831
03:52:20,910 --> 03:52:23,670
I'm sure future, because you know...

2832
03:52:34,850 --> 03:52:40,710
So, the inventory and the bathroom use is going to happen in that box.

2833
03:52:46,890 --> 03:52:59,710
Now, based on the size of the retail area, what would you expect for deliveries? Because if you're going to have a limited inventory space, then you're going to need frequent deliveries.

2834
03:53:01,070 --> 03:53:03,550
I'm guessing in just thinking retail.

2835
03:53:03,570 --> 03:53:06,970
With knowing exactly what we feel is going to take the space.

2836
03:53:07,490 --> 03:53:08,330
It's hard to say.

2837
03:53:08,710 --> 03:53:09,990
How large is that audience?

2838
03:53:10,430 --> 03:53:11,250
What about the retail?

2839
03:53:12,610 --> 03:53:13,470
The virtual media.

2840
03:53:14,250 --> 03:53:16,250
Six hundred ninety point five by switch.

2841
03:53:16,610 --> 03:53:17,590
Just on the set of the press.

2842
03:53:17,790 --> 03:53:18,830
Kurt, what do you mean?

2843
03:53:18,990 --> 03:53:21,270
We require to have that document.

2844
03:53:21,650 --> 03:53:24,130
What will the assessment have a complete flight plan?

2845
03:53:24,430 --> 03:53:25,570
We're going to build the board.

2846
03:53:25,570 --> 03:53:29,570
Well, you mean, for us to see a full floor plan.

2847
03:53:30,550 --> 03:53:32,990
Could it, it's not my point, not a very good one.

2848
03:53:33,230 --> 03:53:34,130
I could stop being completed.

2849
03:53:35,130 --> 03:53:36,410
So, well, it's part of this way.

2850
03:53:36,490 --> 03:53:38,070
I mean, I understand the concern.

2851
03:53:40,230 --> 03:53:43,990
Although the site plan process should not

2852
03:53:43,990 --> 03:53:48,890
should not force a specific tenant or category of tenant

2853
03:53:48,890 --> 03:53:52,890
to be the, to be the renter of that space.

2854
03:53:53,050 --> 03:53:54,790
In other words, I,

2855
03:53:54,790 --> 03:54:10,970
I understand the concern but you guys, you know, worked that out. I'm just, you know, sharing that as I was looking at it. It wasn't, it wasn't intuitive to me. What was happening there and how it was going to happen. So I'll, I'll let, I'll let it.

2856
03:54:10,970 --> 03:54:21,570
To be honest, I'll let the wise, you know, to be honest with you, I guess I'll get some a little bit more concerned about the larger projects, where we don't require loading zones or loading spaces.

2857
03:54:21,570 --> 03:54:24,970
Well, I didn't ask where their shipments were going to arrive yet.

2858
03:54:25,610 --> 03:54:29,930
In terms of their loading spaces or where is that going to happen?

2859
03:54:30,490 --> 03:54:32,030
There are a few deliveries to the retail.

2860
03:54:32,490 --> 03:54:34,610
And I'm going to emphasize that for this space,

2861
03:54:34,750 --> 03:54:37,830
you can probably share, you know, from a very strange moment,

2862
03:54:37,930 --> 03:54:39,310
right, excuse me, I'm not going to try this.

2863
03:54:40,470 --> 03:54:42,210
Thank you very much, George, for the rest of this space.

2864
03:54:42,390 --> 03:54:44,370
You have to deal with it in terms of your comment.

2865
03:54:44,750 --> 03:54:47,090
If we navigate this space, we're going to have to select the mobile lines,

2866
03:54:47,310 --> 03:54:49,230
but the limit of visual, they don't plan on.

2867
03:54:49,230 --> 03:54:49,510
Right.

2868
03:54:53,730 --> 03:54:59,770
It is small, I'm just raising it, you know, I think it's something to be thought about.

2869
03:54:59,770 --> 03:55:03,890
The other thing you want to be asked to hear a question was if you heard him how would you

2870
03:55:03,890 --> 03:55:05,870
handle the trash?

2871
03:55:07,450 --> 03:55:10,210
So when we did a lot of each in the footage, we had a refuse one.

2872
03:55:10,710 --> 03:55:12,930
So the time is going to have their own garbage can.

2873
03:55:13,330 --> 03:55:16,950
And then, twice a week, we've got to pick up and pick it up.

2874
03:55:17,330 --> 03:55:17,870
I need that.

2875
03:55:17,970 --> 03:55:18,830
I'm going to put it on the sidewalk.

2876
03:55:19,250 --> 03:55:20,430
Then how many can I take?

2877
03:55:21,970 --> 03:55:23,910
Well, you know, get it.

2878
03:55:24,050 --> 03:55:24,430
Two before.

2879
03:55:25,310 --> 03:55:25,930
Two before.

2880
03:55:26,550 --> 03:55:26,830
Each.

2881
03:55:28,750 --> 03:55:29,250
No,

2882
03:55:34,090 --> 03:55:41,850
who's going to bring those cans down, is it that the government service that then goes in and takes the cans down?

2883
03:55:42,290 --> 03:55:44,610
Or is it the tenants responsibility to bring the cans down?

2884
03:55:44,930 --> 03:55:46,430
We haven't really gotten to that detail.

2885
03:55:47,270 --> 03:55:51,230
You know, it'll probably be the tenants responsible to bring that down.

2886
03:56:02,830 --> 03:56:20,730
I mean, obviously, the village did not pick up multi-family house or trash, however, I'm going to take the gas and say that some smaller

2887
03:56:21,370 --> 03:56:26,650
multi-family buildings do benefit from that actually and I don't even know I could be

2888
03:56:26,650 --> 03:56:33,310
entirely wrong. Yeah so I'm not sure in this case whether the village would be

2889
03:56:33,310 --> 03:56:37,090
providing take on as a as a business and municipal service. That was the only

2890
03:56:37,090 --> 03:56:42,650
questions I had was on that that first floor with that retail component in

2891
03:56:42,650 --> 03:56:52,370
there. Okay, those are my questions. So, in terms of stormwater management, there's

2892
03:56:52,370 --> 03:56:58,830
psychonepigopinis stormwater on plate. Well, there is no room to put any kind of drainage,

2893
03:56:59,170 --> 03:57:04,730
you know, actual drywalls or whatever. So, what we've done is we've designed it where we have

2894
03:57:04,730 --> 03:57:12,950
We're just going down to two yard drinks and then I pull into the tiniences in which we're going to catch these in time.

2895
03:57:13,750 --> 03:57:16,010
So catch these in.

2896
03:57:17,150 --> 03:57:18,370
Just wait a little less.

2897
03:57:24,050 --> 03:57:26,830
I had a

2898
03:57:30,250 --> 03:57:32,430
question at this point.

2899
03:57:32,730 --> 03:57:33,790
Kurt next steps.

2900
03:57:34,070 --> 03:57:35,490
Good next step would be to,

2901
03:57:35,490 --> 03:57:40,170
And again, I just want to commend the applicant and our concerns take care of for bringing

2902
03:57:40,170 --> 03:57:44,590
the project as far along as they have before it's introduced to the commission.

2903
03:57:45,450 --> 03:57:53,570
And the next step would be the circulation for Secret and asking the county to give us their

2904
03:57:53,570 --> 03:57:56,570
advisory recommendations from the County Planning Board.

2905
03:57:57,690 --> 03:58:02,150
So motion to direct the planning department to circulate and test for lead agency on this

2906
03:58:02,150 --> 03:58:02,990
case.

2907
03:58:02,990 --> 03:58:04,710
Thank you, Terbs.

2908
03:58:05,330 --> 03:58:06,030
Thank you, Jerry.

2909
03:58:07,090 --> 03:58:08,490
Connie, when you're ready?

2910
03:58:10,790 --> 03:58:11,330
Yes.

2911
03:58:12,470 --> 03:58:12,550
Yes.

2912
03:58:13,310 --> 03:58:13,850
Yes.

2913
03:58:15,730 --> 03:58:16,010
Yes.

2914
03:58:16,850 --> 03:58:17,090
Yes.

2915
03:58:18,410 --> 03:58:18,690
Okay.

2916
03:58:19,410 --> 03:58:21,650
And you still have the latest E.K.

2917
03:58:21,750 --> 03:58:25,330
rough memo to work through a few things and we'll see you next month then.

2918
03:58:25,810 --> 03:58:28,570
And then when do we use the public here next month?

2919
03:58:28,890 --> 03:58:30,990
Well, next month we'll...

2920
03:58:30,990 --> 03:58:31,250
current.

2921
03:58:32,430 --> 03:58:32,950
Sure.

2922
03:58:33,150 --> 03:58:33,670
And I can do that.

2923
03:58:33,830 --> 03:58:34,410
I'm just very quickly.

2924
03:58:34,990 --> 03:58:40,530
The coordinate review that we do in Fortchester requires that we give 30 days, which

2925
03:58:40,530 --> 03:58:42,790
will occur in a well-equipped 20 minute.

2926
03:58:43,030 --> 03:58:43,530
Oh, the meeting.

2927
03:58:44,050 --> 03:58:46,590
So we'll know that there are no adjustments on the agency.

2928
03:58:47,190 --> 03:58:55,250
And then the commission will be free to have the review for long, including the public

2929
03:58:55,250 --> 03:58:55,550
area.

2930
03:58:56,490 --> 03:58:59,890
Then you can continue working on this memo to perfect your application.

2931
03:58:59,890 --> 03:59:02,370
And when you come back to us next month, we'll hear from Kurt,

2932
03:59:02,530 --> 03:59:04,590
how things are, what the landscape looks like,

2933
03:59:04,590 --> 03:59:06,550
and then we'll go from there.

2934
03:59:06,790 --> 03:59:06,990
Okay, great.

2935
03:59:07,650 --> 03:59:09,410
Thank you very much, I have to see you later.

2936
03:59:13,500 --> 03:59:15,820
All right, Kurt, we're getting there.

2937
03:59:15,960 --> 03:59:17,040
We're getting there, Kurt, yes.

2938
03:59:17,720 --> 03:59:22,320
So the next item on the agenda is in the request section,

2939
03:59:23,880 --> 03:59:29,660
request for timing relief case 2019 to 0194.

2940
03:59:29,780 --> 03:59:31,260
request for timing relief.

2941
03:59:54,510 --> 03:59:59,870
The commission will recall that you grant it safely at a pool in March of 2020.

2942
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:12,180
The application that will sort of later has expired. Demolition has commenced on the property and a basal morning. He's ready to commence work and awaiting a billing permit.

2943
04:00:12,860 --> 04:00:18,940
The condition of approval indicates in condition number four, which I provided a courtesy of a provision for your convenience.

2944
04:00:19,880 --> 04:00:28,960
That part of the issues of the billing permit, the applicant shall confirm the sue as any required order main improvements to serve the proposal and provide a schedule for providing those improvements.

2945
04:00:30,200 --> 04:00:36,240
We're trying to work with Suez, obviously there's no communication at this point and we are

2946
04:00:36,240 --> 04:00:42,000
asking for a timing waiver in order to provide that documentation.

2947
04:00:42,980 --> 04:00:50,080
I did put a request for the CO in the letter, but based upon some discussions with staff, obviously

2948
04:00:50,080 --> 04:00:54,020
we did not need to wait that long, we're looking for really five, six months to be able to

2949
04:00:54,020 --> 04:01:02,160
the work, you know, tie this to a podium, as part of the project, facing comments work

2950
04:01:02,160 --> 04:01:06,640
on the foundation, so that would have for us the time, so that we don't need to sit around

2951
04:01:06,640 --> 04:01:14,340
and wait until Suez deans to give us, you know, the new will serve letter. So that's where we are.

2952
04:01:14,480 --> 04:01:20,840
We did have a conversation on Friday with, we had two conversations last week with the

2953
04:01:20,840 --> 04:01:28,120
of staff. Mr. Donahue did indicate that he is not authorized to issue a building permit

2954
04:01:28,120 --> 04:01:33,060
until that is done. I have since spoken to a building inspector for a much larger municipality

2955
04:01:33,060 --> 04:01:40,520
who said that that is not the practice. That is contrary to what he does. I get in my client

2956
04:01:40,520 --> 04:01:46,180
to ask Mr. Donahue for direction on the code provision that would prohibit that he is

2957
04:01:46,720 --> 04:01:50,820
indicates what prohibit him from prohibitioning a building permit. He indicated that

2958
04:01:51,700 --> 04:01:57,400
The site plan that was issued by this commission was for a total building, and he cannot

2959
04:01:57,400 --> 04:02:03,380
issue a small apartment, so we sent a pre-esitory foundation permit, and we can't go any further

2960
04:02:03,380 --> 04:02:10,360
than that. After the conversation that we had on Friday, I thought back, and if I recall correctly,

2961
04:02:10,520 --> 04:02:15,360
the castle had multiple permits. I think there was a shell permit. I think there was a permit

2962
04:02:15,360 --> 04:02:17,960
for each individual unit if I recall correctly.

2963
04:02:17,960 --> 04:02:31,200
So, I find it hard to believe that the building inspector cannot issue a building permit for a smaller section of the project, as opposed to one building permit for the building and that is it.

2964
04:02:31,560 --> 04:02:35,600
There are electrical permit, there are plumbing permits on the types of permits.

2965
04:02:36,420 --> 04:02:44,240
So, we're really just asking this commission to provide some relief for us, and it's not really from having to comply with the commission.

2966
04:02:44,240 --> 04:02:57,600
And we know that Sue is going to issue us a Wolster letter at some point, really asking for a timing waiver and that we provide this information to the village five six months time.

2967
04:03:00,120 --> 04:03:03,020
Kurt from a plane appointment, and then Mr. Sereto.

2968
04:03:04,920 --> 04:03:11,520
Yes, and so indeed we did have a meeting last Monday and last Friday.

2969
04:03:11,520 --> 04:03:15,580
I offered that meeting on Monday,

2970
04:03:17,740 --> 04:03:23,660
in an effort to perhaps get the basis for the request and

2971
04:03:23,660 --> 04:03:30,460
any other information in advance, because I thought that there would be some sense of urgency

2972
04:03:30,460 --> 04:03:34,520
on the part of the applicant to have a decision tonight.

2973
04:03:37,580 --> 04:03:44,160
The, we had that meeting, and then I wasn't expecting another one before the Planning Commission meeting,

2974
04:03:44,240 --> 04:03:51,140
but we did have one on Friday, the building inspector was, was present,

2975
04:03:53,620 --> 04:03:55,020
and did state that,

2976
04:03:56,200 --> 04:04:02,040
that, well, there are, I think, as I was just mentioned, well, there are some permits for electrical and plumbing,

2977
04:04:02,040 --> 04:04:04,440
And I think that's relatively well known.

2978
04:04:06,400 --> 04:04:09,560
I don't think every municipality breaks down permits.

2979
04:04:09,920 --> 04:04:13,380
Mr. Donahue, the chief inspector here said he didn't.

2980
04:04:14,800 --> 04:04:18,340
So we were all, I mean, everyone present before you tonight

2981
04:04:18,340 --> 04:04:22,160
on the village site and the project team site.

2982
04:04:22,500 --> 04:04:26,440
Was here there for that and heard that.

2983
04:04:26,520 --> 04:04:30,040
I mean, I don't know how to work with.

2984
04:04:30,040 --> 04:04:45,460
Actually, during those meetings, it was said, well, repeatedly that other municipalities don't require certain things that we do.

2985
04:04:46,100 --> 04:04:54,260
Again, just as the same, along the same lines, the common about another building in spectrum, I don't know what to do with that.

2986
04:04:54,260 --> 04:04:57,760
Okay, I don't know. I can only deal with that, right?

2987
04:04:58,500 --> 04:05:09,160
So, some of us to see what's the military's offices view on this request for this timing

2988
04:05:09,160 --> 04:05:17,740
relief that is this that the path between, to never even process in the impact that's occurred

2989
04:05:17,740 --> 04:05:20,640
as a result of something that's out of our control.

2990
04:05:20,640 --> 04:05:28,580
Well, I certainly understand the desire of the applicant to try to defer the issue to the CO has the building permit stage.

2991
04:05:29,080 --> 04:05:31,620
I understand that he's a difficult spot.

2992
04:05:32,080 --> 04:05:35,180
But the building inspector is the first in last word on the subject.

2993
04:05:35,860 --> 04:05:39,520
And you can't tie his hands because he can't do it himself.

2994
04:05:39,640 --> 04:05:42,080
He's telling us he told us I'm Friday.

2995
04:05:42,980 --> 04:05:46,720
That was not part of the phone call, he had technical issues, but I got a translation later.

2996
04:05:46,720 --> 04:05:51,480
He can't issue a building permit without the water issue being addressed.

2997
04:05:52,340 --> 04:05:57,580
So how can the Planning Commission tell him to do something he can't do on his own?

2998
04:05:57,820 --> 04:05:59,020
Right, basically it comes down to.

2999
04:05:59,220 --> 04:06:03,200
We don't have oversight over the building department, right?

3000
04:06:04,260 --> 04:06:11,260
So I understand that Mr. Joffrey probably will know and make another attempt to speak to Mr. Daniel

3001
04:06:11,260 --> 04:06:15,200
and seek him to perhaps have been other places.

3002
04:06:15,200 --> 04:06:21,120
how they do their processes and maybe that might influence Kevin and maybe he won't, but

3003
04:06:21,120 --> 04:06:23,580
it's not your concern right now.

3004
04:06:24,160 --> 04:06:28,100
Our concern is, and we have a mutual interest, we talked about earlier in the meeting.

3005
04:06:28,640 --> 04:06:28,680
Yes.

3006
04:06:28,680 --> 04:06:32,340
We have mutual interest in seeing these developments proceed.

3007
04:06:33,080 --> 04:06:37,020
We adopted zoning to accommodate these large scale developments in our town of Township

3008
04:06:37,020 --> 04:06:41,520
bring back our village and they're here and they're not going anywhere without water.

3009
04:06:41,520 --> 04:07:06,480
So different ways we can go, we can certainly have the conversation with the water company and I think Kurt talked about some kind of public statement that the Suez is going to come out with, you know, so we can also go out through it, I was talking about which is trying to talk to someone who knows Suez, knows the PSE, knows what buttons and people to push and to talk to.

3010
04:07:06,480 --> 04:07:10,060
And I talked to our outside lawyer for the watery cases

3011
04:07:10,060 --> 04:07:11,980
who's been doing this work for 30 years.

3012
04:07:12,480 --> 04:07:14,520
And he said that he'd be happy to work with us,

3013
04:07:14,560 --> 04:07:16,720
work with the applicant, and looks forward

3014
04:07:16,720 --> 04:07:19,800
to a phone call with Mr. Joffrey and other interested folks

3015
04:07:19,800 --> 04:07:22,240
whose applications are in the similar situation.

3016
04:07:22,640 --> 04:07:23,240
This is the app.

3017
04:07:30,340 --> 04:08:00,320
They had their approval. Right. There's some way way to get building permit. You can't get better than that. Right. Okay. And I understand that the dilemma that the applicant has, you know, he's in a tough spot. He's the smallest buildings here. He's on a lot of work. So I'm offering the services of our outside attorney to work with us and work with the applicant to see if there's any common ground with Suez while we're waiting for this public statement. It may very well be. This public statement may not be satisfactory to anyone. We haven't seen what we've done.

3018
04:08:00,340 --> 04:08:08,340
We don't know. We're hoping. And I would like to go down in multiple directions and see where they go.

3019
04:08:08,980 --> 04:08:15,560
So that's what I'm offering this board. Some hope that perhaps we can talk with Sue as

3020
04:08:15,900 --> 04:08:20,620
understand and position better in a lease of perhaps on this application when it goes through

3021
04:08:20,980 --> 04:08:23,560
and renew their serve letter.

3022
04:08:23,560 --> 04:08:28,480
Okay, what's up and what's try to make the attempt?

3023
04:08:29,040 --> 04:08:32,900
I think the village owes it to the applicant since they gave the approval.

3024
04:08:33,400 --> 04:08:38,620
Maybe I'm a legal sense, but certainly we as a village want everyone to succeed.

3025
04:08:40,980 --> 04:08:42,180
Any questions in the military?

3026
04:08:44,000 --> 04:08:45,380
There's a question for me, sir.

3027
04:08:45,940 --> 04:08:53,400
I know these, I think one or two businesses, or many industries is still open, right from

3028
04:08:53,400 --> 04:08:54,180
these projects.

3029
04:08:55,040 --> 04:08:56,700
I understand there's one business that's still open.

3030
04:08:57,000 --> 04:08:59,440
And I can't comment any further, is there?

3031
04:08:59,600 --> 04:09:00,420
No, no, I understand.

3032
04:09:00,580 --> 04:09:01,320
But it's okay.

3033
04:09:01,860 --> 04:09:02,600
It's not working.

3034
04:09:03,840 --> 04:09:06,300
I'm not going to comment.

3035
04:09:06,640 --> 04:09:07,400
I'm going to give in this presentation.

3036
04:09:09,220 --> 04:09:09,520
Okay.

3037
04:09:09,940 --> 04:09:12,420
Well, again, it's not that the question is unreasonable.

3038
04:09:12,420 --> 04:09:19,280
Well, the applicant simply answered that he doesn't feel pervero confident, but it's

3039
04:09:19,280 --> 04:09:22,640
not that the question was misplaced for a producer, be quick.

3040
04:09:24,580 --> 04:09:32,440
Peter, a character you have anything to add to this, or certainly not, only two words.

3041
04:09:35,640 --> 04:09:40,720
So the action step would be, if you accept my recommendation would be to authorize me to speak

3042
04:09:40,720 --> 04:09:46,920
or obstinators or in children, and sign a retainer agreement on behalf of this applicant.

3043
04:09:48,260 --> 04:09:51,640
And may perhaps others simply situate applications for right now.

3044
04:09:51,720 --> 04:09:55,340
This is what it would be for you to see if he can work something out.

3045
04:09:55,580 --> 04:10:02,760
And at a very short time frame, consulting basis, I can give a scope of work to Mr. Joffrey.

3046
04:10:03,060 --> 04:10:05,820
So I think he can explain to his client where his money is going before.

3047
04:10:06,720 --> 04:10:07,640
And see what happens.

3048
04:10:08,240 --> 04:10:10,020
And I'll report back to the report for next month.

3049
04:10:10,020 --> 04:10:12,020
Okay, is there consensus on that?

3050
04:10:12,700 --> 04:10:14,120
Would you be clear that?

3051
04:10:14,180 --> 04:10:14,700
I don't know.

3052
04:10:14,700 --> 04:10:20,140
That's basically to, to, to press forward with trying to get a most sort of money around

3053
04:10:20,140 --> 04:10:20,800
as soon as.

3054
04:10:20,840 --> 04:10:23,500
Which, yeah, we're trying to, we're trying to, we're trying to bring water to the project.

3055
04:10:23,780 --> 04:10:28,240
When it, however it takes, you know, if we need to go down one route, go up or to leave with the

3056
04:10:28,240 --> 04:10:32,340
southwest curve, we'll talk to you about where they're initiating a public statement and they

3057
04:10:32,340 --> 04:10:34,200
will go long-term and short-term plan.

3058
04:10:34,620 --> 04:10:37,140
And we also have an application of trying to get.

3059
04:10:37,180 --> 04:10:38,160
That has a rule.

3060
04:10:38,160 --> 04:10:48,120
and they can't get a building for an out of the cabin and it would be fair to twist his arm and break up both his legs to the tissue of building for him.

3061
04:10:49,180 --> 04:10:56,840
So I'd like to offer some assistance through hiring someone who's the applicant would pay through the escrow, which would help us out.

3062
04:10:58,600 --> 04:10:59,340
So those consensus?

3063
04:10:59,980 --> 04:11:07,820
Okay, so let's try out on what you believe that there's consensus for you to proceed to do as you

3064
04:11:07,820 --> 04:11:12,020
just described to see what can be done for this application.

3065
04:11:16,060 --> 04:11:16,640
I guess I'll listen to

3066
04:11:19,870 --> 04:11:20,270
John.

3067
04:11:20,530 --> 04:11:23,610
I'm a needle to where I should be, obviously, depending on the details.

3068
04:11:23,810 --> 04:11:24,150
Absolutely.

3069
04:11:24,370 --> 04:11:26,970
There's thread when I will speak hopefully more.

3070
04:11:27,170 --> 04:11:27,690
We'll share the truth.

3071
04:11:28,030 --> 04:11:28,270
Absolutely.

3072
04:11:29,730 --> 04:11:35,410
Okay, otherwise I think that's what we're going to do at this point in time for this matter.

3073
04:11:35,410 --> 04:11:37,410
Thank you. I

3074
04:11:44,480 --> 04:11:52,640
believe this is where we would have an add-on. This is where not an add-on,

3075
04:11:52,760 --> 04:12:02,820
but something that is not on the agenda document that should regarding a local law of extending the time period.

3076
04:12:04,140 --> 04:12:09,940
Yes, Mr. Chairman and Commissioner Zayam, I apologize. This was a referral from, I believe,

3077
04:12:09,940 --> 04:12:12,580
December 20th, Board of Trustees meeting.

3078
04:12:13,100 --> 04:12:22,420
What it refers to is a local law that's proposed, and then of course, what it would

3079
04:12:22,420 --> 04:12:34,260
amends owning to allow for, as the state had had it, as New York State had issued, a sort

3080
04:12:34,260 --> 04:12:42,160
of additional time for projects that may have been affected during the course of the pandemic

3081
04:12:42,160 --> 04:12:43,860
up to this point.

3082
04:12:47,500 --> 04:12:56,680
So that requires a course of referral to this board, and that's about all I know about

3083
04:12:57,620 --> 04:12:58,260
it.

3084
04:12:59,180 --> 04:13:06,720
What this would do is grant the applicant for the station lofts project, additional time for them to get their building permit.

3085
04:13:07,500 --> 04:13:11,200
It's all tied to COVID in the impacts of COVID.

3086
04:13:11,760 --> 04:13:16,100
It's not part of the general broader discussion which you all have been talking about for a while,

3087
04:13:16,320 --> 04:13:18,340
which is how long site planer for which it could go for.

3088
04:13:19,320 --> 04:13:22,620
We don't want to thank all of this application with that broader issue tonight.

3089
04:13:22,620 --> 04:13:33,160
I don't believe in it, is a time box local law, it'll expire on its own terms next year.

3090
04:13:33,560 --> 04:13:40,280
The extension would go all the way till April of next year, 2023, and that's what it would accomplish.

3091
04:13:40,680 --> 04:13:45,900
It's all tied to COVID. The applicant has had a whole host of other concerns.

3092
04:13:46,700 --> 04:13:51,040
They've been driven to distraction by the MTA and other issues.

3093
04:13:51,040 --> 04:13:59,460
But the local law as it's written is all tied to COVID, all tied to the government's declaration and what he did last year.

3094
04:14:00,140 --> 04:14:01,540
So that's essentially it.

3095
04:14:01,920 --> 04:14:06,900
The applicant representative isn't the audience or was might still be.

3096
04:14:07,920 --> 04:14:08,400
There he is.

3097
04:14:08,680 --> 04:14:08,980
Evening.

3098
04:14:11,880 --> 04:14:13,580
I'm sure coming up.

3099
04:14:25,330 --> 04:14:26,370
Good evening chair.

3100
04:14:27,370 --> 04:14:33,850
My name is Scott Gianz, one of the principles for our station loss, which is a project

3101
04:14:33,850 --> 04:14:36,770
that we've been working out for quite a while, we're starting to see light at the end

3102
04:14:36,770 --> 04:14:37,430
of the tunnel.

3103
04:14:38,270 --> 04:14:42,210
Unfortunately, one of those lights was a train coming at us, which is called the MTA.

3104
04:14:43,310 --> 04:14:47,730
They've been very professional working with us, but they're very large and very slowly.

3105
04:14:49,030 --> 04:14:54,750
We had received our site plan approvals in April of 2018.

3106
04:14:54,750 --> 04:14:57,570
we've extended the provost through.

3107
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:05,800
To get our entry permits, from NTA, just to do a catch basing cleaning and scoping, because we're

3108
04:15:05,800 --> 04:15:13,000
going to be draining into the MTA's basin, and also to do some test warnings, mostly for environmental

3109
04:15:13,000 --> 04:15:19,260
purposes. And then when we were starting to get ready to bring out a rigs on to do our drilling

3110
04:15:19,260 --> 04:15:27,260
or our warnings for the structural engineering to complete the plans of working on COVID hit. MTA

3111
04:15:27,260 --> 04:15:33,480
it down just about everyone did and then our entry permits expired and it's going to take us

3112
04:15:33,480 --> 04:15:40,880
now another six to nine months to get those reinstated and it's also a matter of to spend

3113
04:15:40,880 --> 04:15:46,420
the money our investors are telling us to get the building permits done which is about

3114
04:15:46,420 --> 04:15:52,880
$800 to $900,000 and then pay another million dollars for the building permit application.

3115
04:15:52,880 --> 04:15:57,080
And they must know that we have sufficient time to complete all that.

3116
04:15:57,360 --> 04:15:59,440
And the MTA is that wild card.

3117
04:15:59,820 --> 04:16:05,420
So we have a complete vested interest in doing the right thing

3118
04:16:05,420 --> 04:16:10,280
by Fortchester, which is evident at the 1618 North Main,

3119
04:16:10,480 --> 04:16:11,860
which is the mutual trust building.

3120
04:16:12,580 --> 04:16:16,420
We went to a great extent to salvage and bring that building back

3121
04:16:16,420 --> 04:16:17,360
to its glory days.

3122
04:16:17,820 --> 04:16:22,360
And we're going to be having a walkthrough for a lot of the staff

3123
04:16:22,360 --> 04:16:26,360
and commissioners and the trustee's as soon as we're finished, which would be in the next

3124
04:16:26,360 --> 04:16:26,660
time.

3125
04:16:26,860 --> 04:16:27,800
Tell me two months.

3126
04:16:28,360 --> 04:16:32,240
Even though that's been told to me several times, I think we are getting there.

3127
04:16:33,600 --> 04:16:38,640
But we really want to bring Port Station lost to a successful completion.

3128
04:16:39,780 --> 04:16:40,700
So we dial in need.

3129
04:16:40,860 --> 04:16:42,400
You're helping doing that.

3130
04:16:42,880 --> 04:16:43,040
All right.

3131
04:16:43,100 --> 04:16:43,460
Thank you.

3132
04:16:43,800 --> 04:16:47,080
I'd like to hear a speak to us on the matter.

3133
04:16:48,400 --> 04:16:58,620
So, questions to Kurt or Mr. Sereto on this local law that's been provided to us for

3134
04:16:58,620 --> 04:16:59,780
feedback, Mr. Sereto?

3135
04:17:00,560 --> 04:17:05,540
You have required a microphone to provide recommendation on selling changes, back to the Board of Trustees.

3136
04:17:05,800 --> 04:17:07,120
That's why it's before you.

3137
04:17:07,520 --> 04:17:08,680
Thank you.

3138
04:17:09,020 --> 04:17:10,380
Any questions from Mr. Sereto?

3139
04:17:13,230 --> 04:17:16,230
Go for it. This was approved under the old code, right?

3140
04:17:17,970 --> 04:17:20,290
It was two years, it wasn't three.

3141
04:17:21,230 --> 04:17:23,470
Didn't you ever come before us for any extensions?

3142
04:17:25,110 --> 04:17:26,710
Yeah, that required under the code?

3143
04:17:28,290 --> 04:17:32,310
Well, let's say at night, I have been in summer of 2019.

3144
04:17:33,070 --> 04:17:34,150
So, I think the project.

3145
04:17:36,610 --> 04:17:37,730
Thank you.

3146
04:17:38,490 --> 04:17:39,230
That's it.

3147
04:17:39,230 --> 04:17:47,990
I would have that sound like he's addressing the issue of extension to our new formist code for three years.

3148
04:17:48,890 --> 04:17:55,530
In your fact that we're not a position if the three years expired to renew a code doesn't allow us to do that.

3149
04:17:55,650 --> 04:18:01,690
Maybe that's the comeback to get a renewal with that piece or another three years, or that being yearly from that point on.

3150
04:18:04,230 --> 04:18:15,890
the local law is drafted to allow this or other projects that may have experienced a similar delay,

3151
04:18:17,470 --> 04:18:20,350
because of directly or indirectly because of the pandemic.

3152
04:18:20,730 --> 04:18:24,670
So the question you asked have was a different one.

3153
04:18:26,450 --> 04:18:37,830
This is just for my reading of this, this seems to say regardless of what it was issued,

3154
04:18:38,150 --> 04:18:44,870
whether it be the four main code or the prior, if they received an approval prior to this date,

3155
04:18:45,130 --> 04:18:46,230
then they get the extension.

3156
04:18:46,670 --> 04:18:47,090
Is that right?

3157
04:18:47,090 --> 04:18:50,890
But yeah, in that date, that's in the local law, is the date to government, the former

3158
04:18:50,890 --> 04:18:55,070
governor declared his emergency, dry COVID, that's the magic date.

3159
04:18:55,370 --> 04:19:00,490
There was a state law that was passed, which extended these development application

3160
04:19:00,490 --> 04:19:07,230
approvals, that legislation expired once the governor's declaration evaporated, so we're

3161
04:19:07,230 --> 04:19:11,210
back to relying upon local laws to try to give their relief to the applicant.

3162
04:19:11,730 --> 04:19:15,870
It's a, it's a surgically targeted, focused local law.

3163
04:19:15,870 --> 04:19:19,250
We don't believe it affects any other application in the pipeline.

3164
04:19:19,570 --> 04:19:20,430
But this one.

3165
04:19:22,790 --> 04:19:29,810
So, it seems to, and again, as far as the larger discussion, we've talked about this before.

3166
04:19:29,910 --> 04:19:30,270
Right.

3167
04:19:30,270 --> 04:19:32,010
We talked about this before in a different approach.

3168
04:19:32,530 --> 04:19:36,390
And we should definitely put that back on our front burner.

3169
04:19:37,030 --> 04:19:44,190
Well, Kirk had had Matt work two days a week from now, for the next three years.

3170
04:19:44,190 --> 04:19:49,130
to do nothing but code updates, but then Kurt only has

3171
04:19:49,130 --> 04:19:53,250
Matt available to help him for Monday's Mondays and Tuesdays.

3172
04:19:54,230 --> 04:19:56,850
So we have to work that out, or perhaps get

3173
04:19:56,850 --> 04:19:59,670
Kurt a couple extra people to start typing away

3174
04:19:59,670 --> 04:20:02,450
and all the required changes that are needed in the form

3175
04:20:02,450 --> 04:20:03,470
base code.

3176
04:20:04,350 --> 04:20:05,970
Any other questions from Mr. Serenot,

3177
04:20:06,090 --> 04:20:08,370
regarding the local law that's been presented to us

3178
04:20:08,370 --> 04:20:09,310
for feedback?

3179
04:20:11,030 --> 04:20:11,510
On the side?

3180
04:20:12,750 --> 04:20:13,290
OK.

3181
04:20:13,290 --> 04:20:36,470
So, can I get a motion to respond to the Board of Trustees with a positive recommendation on the local law that's been provided to us and many of the code, extending the time period for site plan approvals, prior due to, or use the title of Tony, due to COVID-19 pandemic impacts.

3182
04:20:37,390 --> 04:20:39,250
So I think it is fair.

3183
04:20:39,950 --> 04:20:40,590
I think so.

3184
04:20:43,240 --> 04:20:44,240
So moved, anyone?

3185
04:20:45,360 --> 04:20:46,000
Thank you, Jerry.

3186
04:20:47,140 --> 04:20:47,340
Second.

3187
04:20:48,540 --> 04:20:48,880
Thank you.

3188
04:20:49,080 --> 04:20:51,320
Do I have any discussion on the motion?

3189
04:20:52,940 --> 04:20:55,800
This is the only, this is the only course of the meeting.

3190
04:20:56,500 --> 04:21:00,000
Well, if they don't get this, they have to start a process all over again.

3191
04:21:08,380 --> 04:21:09,200
That's correct.

3192
04:21:10,160 --> 04:21:11,260
Mark R. Code.

3193
04:21:11,400 --> 04:21:12,700
The offer better for us.

3194
04:21:13,360 --> 04:21:14,320
Doesn't offer a lot.

3195
04:21:15,780 --> 04:21:17,960
That's why we need to have that further discussion.

3196
04:21:19,620 --> 04:21:24,320
Again, we had this issue with, what do we, self mean?

3197
04:21:25,500 --> 04:21:31,100
Approved on the old code, two years, and now, all of a sudden, you can give them three years.

3198
04:21:31,720 --> 04:21:35,780
I don't want to hurt the applicant, but how could we,

3199
04:21:40,260 --> 04:21:46,720
how could we just change, change directions and make decisions that, I mean?

3200
04:21:51,690 --> 04:21:55,330
The new code is in D three years.

3201
04:21:56,150 --> 04:21:57,770
This was a new code.

3202
04:21:58,270 --> 04:22:00,390
Yes, it was a code under the old code.

3203
04:22:00,610 --> 04:22:04,570
Although I don't think that changes the draft local law.

3204
04:22:05,430 --> 04:22:05,850
No, it does.

3205
04:22:05,970 --> 04:22:07,250
I think there's making it a different point.

3206
04:22:07,490 --> 04:22:07,630
Yes.

3207
04:22:07,850 --> 04:22:10,070
And I do appreciate that.

3208
04:22:10,130 --> 04:22:16,910
It's just that this, of course, instead of being a request of the planning commission

3209
04:22:18,130 --> 04:22:23,310
is was done in the direction of the Board of Trustees and of course the planning committee.

3210
04:22:32,690 --> 04:22:45,710
I'll just say that I'm going to be consistent on the board against it. I feel what I have to get up and get up. I don't think we should make those feel out and do things like that.

3211
04:22:48,350 --> 04:22:52,270
Any other discussion on the motion?

3212
04:22:53,750 --> 04:22:53,950
Okay.

3213
04:22:55,570 --> 04:22:58,030
I mean, this is going back to the Board of Justice, correct?

3214
04:22:59,430 --> 04:23:03,310
So maybe we could also make a recommendation that the,

3215
04:23:03,370 --> 04:23:08,050
some kind of language that was addressing this, you know,

3216
04:23:08,530 --> 04:23:10,310
it's a wonderful, better term for us to ensure,

3217
04:23:11,490 --> 04:23:18,350
exception. So that we don't have to carve this out. Now, hoping that it doesn't come back

3218
04:23:18,350 --> 04:23:22,450
to affect this with other applications. You know, I tell, I strongly

3219
04:23:22,450 --> 04:23:29,310
don't come back to you. This is all COVID focused and it all goes back to the declaration

3220
04:23:29,310 --> 04:23:35,110
of the government last year and I consider it beginning to provide remarks. It expires

3221
04:23:35,110 --> 04:23:39,430
on its own terms next year. This local law would see that right after this year. You'll have

3222
04:23:39,430 --> 04:23:42,690
No presidential value or anything else.

3223
04:23:44,220 --> 04:23:46,220
Okay, nothing else that, thank you Matt.

3224
04:23:46,700 --> 04:23:48,160
Connie, please call the roll.

3225
04:23:48,380 --> 04:23:48,740
Oh, right there.

3226
04:23:49,680 --> 04:23:49,880
Yeah.

3227
04:23:50,760 --> 04:23:51,040
Yeah.

3228
04:23:54,040 --> 04:23:54,140
Yes.

3229
04:23:54,140 --> 04:23:54,500
Right there.

3230
04:23:55,980 --> 04:23:56,220
Yes.

3231
04:23:56,220 --> 04:23:56,280
Yes.

3232
04:23:58,820 --> 04:23:59,080
Okay.

3233
04:24:00,740 --> 04:24:01,280
That would be nice.

3234
04:24:04,540 --> 04:24:07,380
Kurt, last but not least, almost.

3235
04:24:08,100 --> 04:24:08,360
Almost.

3236
04:24:09,140 --> 04:24:09,220
Almost.

3237
04:24:09,700 --> 04:24:09,720
Yeah.

3238
04:24:10,300 --> 04:24:11,600
Mr. Chairman,

3239
04:24:11,600 --> 04:24:26,120
As I briefly mentioned before, might I suggest that the two listed BOT referrals and the discussion

3240
04:24:26,120 --> 04:24:30,520
amongst the planning commission and staff and consultants about parking requirements

3241
04:24:30,520 --> 04:24:37,100
in the CD-5 and the CD-6, if we were to be able to secure, you know, we only need to secure

3242
04:24:37,100 --> 04:24:44,940
the Village Conference Room, would give in the work and the length of the resulting

3243
04:24:44,940 --> 04:24:51,780
mamal for making our F and Morture talk on the rezoning portion of the United

3244
04:24:51,780 --> 04:25:00,800
Hospital and also the second item which has been stalled. Is it possible that the commission

3245
04:25:00,800 --> 04:25:09,140
might consider the workshop at a time of its choosing perhaps in as little as one week in the

3246
04:25:09,140 --> 04:25:10,160
village conference room?

3247
04:25:14,840 --> 04:25:22,580
I think we're all nodding our heads on that when our heads are, so it's appreciated and so the topics

3248
04:25:22,580 --> 04:25:29,420
for the workshop would be this BOT referral for the proposed United Hospital redevelopment

3249
04:25:29,420 --> 04:25:34,580
petition and the other topic would be the parking requirements for CD5 CD6.

3250
04:25:35,520 --> 04:25:38,600
So that when we notice that those are the topics that we're discussing.

3251
04:25:39,240 --> 04:25:39,340
Yes.

3252
04:25:39,800 --> 04:25:48,120
And but also to the extent that the Commission would act on the Board of Trustees request that

3253
04:25:48,120 --> 04:25:53,780
it's last meeting, which was, you'd only be able to hear it on audio and it's agenda meeting.

3254
04:25:54,640 --> 04:25:59,840
The request was, and it relates to where we left off at the joint workshop.

3255
04:26:00,080 --> 04:26:07,940
Is there more than just what was proposed as a, as a contradictory and big list,

3256
04:26:08,540 --> 04:26:14,140
an asterisk, would it, and I think it relates to, of this, the building heights?

3257
04:26:14,640 --> 04:26:14,840
Yeah.

3258
04:26:15,420 --> 04:26:16,560
So that's a third topic.

3259
04:26:16,760 --> 04:26:18,880
Well, I mean, yes.

3260
04:26:18,980 --> 04:26:23,760
In other words, the Board of Trustees on December 29th had asked that,

3261
04:26:23,760 --> 04:26:29,920
that they just make sure, I mean if the best I could explain it was that I think the commission

3262
04:26:29,920 --> 04:26:34,680
sentiments were that regard was so of what side you were looking at of a building and

3263
04:26:34,680 --> 04:26:43,200
regardless of the grade that you wouldn't see anything but the maximum number of stories

3264
04:26:43,200 --> 04:26:50,940
allowed in that district, regardless of grades. So that's topic number three for the workshop. It

3265
04:26:50,940 --> 04:26:56,540
would be. And it's not the whole subject over again. It's a portion of it. In other words,

3266
04:26:56,680 --> 04:27:04,220
that the code I had proposed when we first discussed it to leave in the portion about the,

3267
04:27:04,220 --> 04:27:11,040
if an exterior wall of a basement is exposed up to 4 feet, it would not be counted as a story.

3268
04:27:11,540 --> 04:27:18,960
But if it's more than 4 feet exposed, as it currently states in the code, it would be considered a story.

3269
04:27:18,960 --> 04:27:31,480
So to the extent that I may pursue what the planning commission would like, and I think it was expressing at the workshop.

3270
04:27:33,660 --> 04:27:36,740
So that's our third topic for the workshop.

3271
04:27:37,480 --> 04:27:37,960
All right.

3272
04:27:39,400 --> 04:27:42,960
I don't want to be a Kilnjo here, but that's also a bit of a clue.

3273
04:27:43,320 --> 04:27:44,300
Discussions about?

3274
04:27:45,040 --> 04:27:54,500
Yeah, so I think if it isn't what if if what I proposed isn't what the planning commission wants in

3275
04:27:55,200 --> 04:28:02,300
In its entirety, I think the board of trustees wants to know that and wants to consider they just

3276
04:28:02,860 --> 04:28:04,800
They would like to be clear on it.

3277
04:28:15,060 --> 04:28:22,980
I just want Kurt to come on up, you know,

3278
04:28:26,310 --> 04:28:31,630
I just want Kurt to finish this thought before I mean, you're talking about three different things.

3279
04:28:39,650 --> 04:28:44,690
The Board of Trustees accepted a resolution on the petition and referred it out in September.

3280
04:28:47,290 --> 04:28:54,810
And I understand that the memorandum that Mr. Level is referring to is with respect to the environmental assessment

3281
04:28:54,810 --> 04:29:01,670
the environmental narrative, the conceptual cycle and the petition, so it's, well, it may

3282
04:29:01,670 --> 04:29:07,210
be a lengthy memo. That memo really does not address the petition. That memo addresses

3283
04:29:07,950 --> 04:29:13,770
the, you know, Mr. Froke, make one wrong. It's really the environmental narrative that's

3284
04:29:13,770 --> 04:29:17,970
been submitted in response to the scope of work that's been requested many, many months

3285
04:29:17,970 --> 04:29:24,790
ago. And what I understand as before you is, any comments you may have on the petition,

3286
04:29:24,790 --> 04:29:29,190
for zoning text amendments, that memo does not go into that.

3287
04:29:30,050 --> 04:29:31,930
Although there were two memos, right?

3288
04:29:34,800 --> 04:29:39,080
The memo that we, that we authored,

3289
04:29:39,300 --> 04:29:42,820
A.K.R.F. Courts Office, Mark Chertoff,

3290
04:29:43,740 --> 04:29:47,020
had to do with the environmental assessment narrative

3291
04:29:47,020 --> 04:29:50,960
a portion of which related to the environmental impacts

3292
04:29:52,680 --> 04:29:54,520
of the rezoning.

3293
04:29:54,520 --> 04:29:59,800
and what we try to do is separate potential impacts of the rezoning and the tons.

3294
04:30:01,550 --> 04:30:08,890
Just the rezoning from the concept, we lumped those two together. So I

3295
04:30:12,320 --> 04:30:25,940
think what Mr. Joffers said is correct. We don't have recommendations purely on the rezoning. We have kind of thoughts about the rezoning and the concepts I plan as they are treated together for a secret.

3296
04:30:28,060 --> 04:30:30,480
So that memo has a different focus, right?

3297
04:30:30,480 --> 04:30:32,720
I just want to clarify that.

3298
04:30:32,780 --> 04:30:39,200
If it's a referral that's before you tonight, that memo goes well beyond the scope of what

3299
04:30:39,200 --> 04:30:43,380
referral is that's before you're receiving and we are here before the Board of Trustees on

3300
04:30:43,380 --> 04:30:44,540
the 24th.

3301
04:30:46,650 --> 04:30:54,290
So the one I have is re-unite and hospital application begins.

3302
04:30:54,410 --> 04:30:58,090
This memorandum summarizes the procedural history of the application.

3303
04:30:59,350 --> 04:30:59,430
Yes.

3304
04:30:59,990 --> 04:31:00,330
Okay.

3305
04:31:00,330 --> 04:31:03,410
And it looks like I have two versions.

3306
04:31:03,650 --> 04:31:06,390
It looks like I have one which is,

3307
04:31:06,390 --> 04:31:07,750
is none of the stuff.

3308
04:31:08,270 --> 04:31:09,790
No number pages.

3309
04:31:11,090 --> 04:31:13,830
1, 2, 3, 4.

3310
04:31:13,850 --> 04:31:14,650
I remember my name.

3311
04:31:15,650 --> 04:31:16,990
It's on fire.

3312
04:31:17,490 --> 04:31:18,590
It's firing myself.

3313
04:31:19,610 --> 04:31:19,770
It's on fire.

3314
04:31:19,770 --> 04:31:21,510
Yeah, no, that's right.

3315
04:31:21,890 --> 04:31:26,190
And this one is all right, so it's all one side.

3316
04:31:26,670 --> 04:31:27,550
So that's the same document.

3317
04:31:27,550 --> 04:31:34,090
So, is that what it is that we're expecting to review, Kurt, or is this so we've got it right?

3318
04:31:36,910 --> 04:31:45,090
The referral from the Board of Trustees was for the Planning Commission's recommendations on the rezoning proposal.

3319
04:31:46,250 --> 04:31:47,830
Again, I hope I have that right.

3320
04:31:47,830 --> 04:31:50,350
I will just leave the door and go.

3321
04:31:52,010 --> 04:31:53,850
I will just leave the door and go.

3322
04:32:01,520 --> 04:32:02,140
I will just leave something.

3323
04:32:06,620 --> 04:32:08,140
To simplify things.

3324
04:32:08,140 --> 04:32:09,480
I will just leave a lot of information.

3325
04:32:13,040 --> 04:32:14,420
To simplify things.

3326
04:32:14,820 --> 04:32:16,900
Your charge as planic commission is to review

3327
04:32:16,900 --> 04:32:18,900
Zoing changes from Zoing changes.

3328
04:32:19,420 --> 04:32:21,340
Right. That's what your job is.

3329
04:32:21,340 --> 04:32:24,620
So to the extent we're going to have a workshop, we're going to review the zoning changes.

3330
04:32:25,020 --> 04:32:28,480
We'll talk to Mr. Scherntock. Is he going to be with us on that night?

3331
04:32:29,140 --> 04:32:36,520
Well, he can be. I just know that when I was, we haven't, we haven't set the date yet.

3332
04:32:36,600 --> 04:32:37,540
We'll try to, I think.

3333
04:32:37,540 --> 04:32:41,140
I'm sure I won't. I want to get the agenda straight.

3334
04:32:41,940 --> 04:32:42,880
That's the first thing.

3335
04:32:43,760 --> 04:32:50,440
I guess I, my understanding was I, I thought that there was something we received in December.

3336
04:32:50,440 --> 04:32:59,080
from the applicant, and in conferring with my colleagues Mark and Peter, it was not thought

3337
04:33:00,220 --> 04:33:04,920
that they could fully respond before the holidays.

3338
04:33:05,320 --> 04:33:11,540
So that led to January 10th, and that's when that's when I received the board card.

3339
04:33:11,540 --> 04:33:19,640
So as a possible to have, with the workshop, have either AKR, excuse me, AKRF, and

3340
04:33:19,640 --> 04:33:28,660
normalist at your talk, there is present to go over this with us, or at least to be available

3341
04:33:28,660 --> 04:33:31,800
for Q&A, if we have the right document front of us?

3342
04:33:32,380 --> 04:33:38,860
I mean, subject to their schedule, and perhaps because we'd be in the conference room, perhaps

3343
04:33:38,860 --> 04:33:48,960
even allowing more core AKRs, AKRF staff to perhaps be there remotely, and I'm not entirely

3344
04:33:48,960 --> 04:33:52,080
remembering exactly what our capacities are in the conference room.

3345
04:33:53,240 --> 04:33:53,700
Okay.

3346
04:33:53,900 --> 04:33:55,120
Well, we have the right document.

3347
04:33:58,400 --> 04:34:04,320
If we have the right document in front of us, and we read that between now and men, and

3348
04:34:04,320 --> 04:34:09,880
have someone to kind of walk us through it or to be available for Q&A as we go through

3349
04:34:09,880 --> 04:34:17,960
the course, that we could be able to provide some feedback or at least talk to what

3350
04:34:17,960 --> 04:34:20,680
doesn't, it is not intuitive.

3351
04:34:25,830 --> 04:34:30,750
So Kirk, could you? Because Pete has a hard county from

3352
04:34:30,750 --> 04:34:37,470
over there. Who knows when? Could you make sure that we have the right document for that

3353
04:34:37,470 --> 04:34:45,430
job that we need to review. If this isn't the right one, that's okay. I just want to make sure we have the right one in front of us for the workshop.

3354
04:34:47,590 --> 04:34:47,910
Yes.

3355
04:34:47,910 --> 04:34:52,170
The question? Well, we got two months ago, the world's largest package. We got two months ago.

3356
04:34:52,910 --> 04:34:53,710
Yes, about that.

3357
04:34:54,670 --> 04:34:57,070
So that, for me in the hospital?

3358
04:34:57,470 --> 04:34:57,670
Yeah.

3359
04:34:58,290 --> 04:35:00,970
So that had all the site plans as well.

3360
04:35:00,970 --> 04:35:12,990
So I think the question, if I'm here incorrectly, is this scope of what you want to talk about at the next meeting zoning site plant, right?

3361
04:35:13,150 --> 04:35:15,030
I think is that the question to mine here?

3362
04:35:15,230 --> 04:35:17,510
I think the question is, have we got this tonight?

3363
04:35:17,850 --> 04:35:18,110
Yep.

3364
04:35:18,370 --> 04:35:20,790
Thanks most of us put that on the back burner.

3365
04:35:21,170 --> 04:35:21,810
Got it.

3366
04:35:21,950 --> 04:35:22,690
Deal with the holidays.

3367
04:35:22,690 --> 04:35:23,450
I'm going forward.

3368
04:35:23,470 --> 04:35:23,790
Yep.

3369
04:35:24,750 --> 04:35:26,030
Come back to us the light.

3370
04:35:26,130 --> 04:35:27,070
I need more speed.

3371
04:35:27,390 --> 04:35:28,470
I don't think we're up to speed.

3372
04:35:29,830 --> 04:35:30,550
That's fair.

3373
04:35:30,550 --> 04:35:35,550
And it's this memo, our acre of memo deals with a heck of a lot more than just the

3374
04:35:35,550 --> 04:35:36,310
rezoning.

3375
04:35:37,830 --> 04:35:42,930
So to the extent that that informs your decision, that it deals with a heck of a lot more.

3376
04:35:43,270 --> 04:35:50,130
So that this United Hospital topic itself could occupy the entirety of the workshop, depending

3377
04:35:50,130 --> 04:35:55,930
upon the size of the scope of the zoning changes that need to be discussed and evaluate

3378
04:35:55,930 --> 04:36:00,770
First understood, then evaluated, and then feedback provided.

3379
04:36:01,310 --> 04:36:05,610
Let me go up to you, but I think that the scope of the requested amendments

3380
04:36:05,610 --> 04:36:06,770
are the amendments.

3381
04:36:07,450 --> 04:36:10,590
They are really clarification items and clean-up of things.

3382
04:36:11,390 --> 04:36:12,870
But also, you know, I'll defer to you.

3383
04:36:13,490 --> 04:36:13,630
I haven't.

3384
04:36:13,790 --> 04:36:16,830
So I wouldn't, I would generally agree with Mr.

3385
04:36:16,950 --> 04:36:22,190
Jaffrey that they are relatively small zoning changes.

3386
04:36:22,190 --> 04:36:35,430
The zoning changes have to deal with the definition of assisted living facility, whether it's a quote unquote residential use or not, whether it's residential or commercial.

3387
04:36:36,450 --> 04:36:49,250
We can talk about why that discussion matters. Permitting the assisted living facility use in the village, in this district, it's defined but it's not permitted anywhere right now.

3388
04:36:49,250 --> 04:37:08,410
So, right, permitting that, giving the Board of Trustees discretion over the placement of the wireless telecommunication facility at this site because the language in the code now says it can't be between a building and a road.

3389
04:37:09,670 --> 04:37:13,650
Well, it's hard not to do that on that site, no matter where you put it.

3390
04:37:13,650 --> 04:37:16,710
where you put it right next to the particle, right next to the cooperative of a particle.

3391
04:37:16,790 --> 04:37:21,710
So we have to, so does it have language to speak to the aesthetic impacts,

3392
04:37:21,750 --> 04:37:24,530
or are we going to end up with another rooftop that looks like?

3393
04:37:30,860 --> 04:37:49,560
You say it, it only has to do with the location of it, all the other special permit criteria, everything else is the same, so you still get to evaluate that, and they're proposing a monopol, not a rooftop.

3394
04:37:53,180 --> 04:37:55,060
So they can put it next to the highway.

3395
04:37:55,840 --> 04:38:00,880
And they wouldn't want to be further to say that we should go back and examine that document.

3396
04:38:01,280 --> 04:38:04,300
If we could come to the meeting with more knowledge of that document,

3397
04:38:04,660 --> 04:38:06,620
then this will have to go ahead and send it to us tonight.

3398
04:38:07,320 --> 04:38:11,880
Yeah, and we can try to not only that document,

3399
04:38:12,380 --> 04:38:12,980
it's the petition.

3400
04:38:13,100 --> 04:38:14,600
I think that's a very good document.

3401
04:38:14,960 --> 04:38:16,540
If one's going to talk about the petition.

3402
04:38:17,520 --> 04:38:21,860
But, and you'll see that the zoning changes themselves are relatively small.

3403
04:38:21,920 --> 04:38:24,660
What they're also proposing is a very detailed site plan.

3404
04:38:25,060 --> 04:38:29,980
Well, while we attempt to search and rummage through the hard copy, is it possible the soft copy

3405
04:38:29,980 --> 04:38:31,180
could be recent?

3406
04:38:31,860 --> 04:38:33,760
I can absolutely do that.

3407
04:38:33,760 --> 04:38:38,880
I expect to do an apology for not doing it for, uh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

3408
04:38:38,920 --> 04:38:40,740
Okay, so it was so difficult to get a hard copy.

3409
04:38:40,740 --> 04:38:50,460
I believe the agenda for the United Hospital petition for zoning amendments number one.

3410
04:38:50,840 --> 04:38:55,060
Number two is the parking requirements for CD5 and 6, which is often this agenda.

3411
04:38:55,880 --> 04:39:03,740
And number three is what you just mentioned, building heights, refresher, to make sure

3412
04:39:03,740 --> 04:39:09,200
Playing commission is clear on what we're hoping the outcome will be.

3413
04:39:11,460 --> 04:39:11,480
Okay.

3414
04:39:12,100 --> 04:39:17,180
You asked Connie to just follow up with us on dates.

3415
04:39:18,380 --> 04:39:21,980
Yes, and again, we're fortunate that we can use the

3416
04:39:21,980 --> 04:39:26,980
the building of the conference room or the senior center rather than

3417
04:39:26,980 --> 04:39:30,560
a little bit more tricky to get to get this room.

3418
04:39:31,100 --> 04:39:33,260
We'll try to do this.

3419
04:39:35,700 --> 04:39:37,300
I really like to.

3420
04:39:38,340 --> 04:39:42,280
And with the board's cooperation and its availability.

3421
04:39:44,120 --> 04:39:45,100
I'd like to secure that.

3422
04:39:45,800 --> 04:39:47,140
So that would be in as week.

3423
04:39:50,330 --> 04:39:51,330
Well, I think it.

3424
04:39:51,370 --> 04:39:52,930
The budget or is what we're going to work.

3425
04:39:53,870 --> 04:39:53,950
We can.

3426
04:39:54,070 --> 04:39:54,230
Can you work?

3427
04:39:55,390 --> 04:39:55,870
That's.

3428
04:39:56,670 --> 04:39:57,730
Anyway, we're going to work this next month.

3429
04:39:58,130 --> 04:39:58,350
Right.

3430
04:39:58,750 --> 04:39:59,490
So we're going to work.

3431
04:40:00,990 --> 04:40:02,330
Don't we have to notice?

3432
04:40:03,770 --> 04:40:12,330
If seven of us are assembled, yes, again, that would, yes, I apologize, I didn't mention that.

3433
04:40:13,430 --> 04:40:14,410
So I didn't mean to do that.

3434
04:40:15,410 --> 04:40:16,710
What's this with me?

3435
04:40:18,240 --> 04:40:18,680
More please.

3436
04:40:22,440 --> 04:40:23,480
More 24th of a month.

3437
04:40:23,720 --> 04:40:24,540
So this one will be correct.

3438
04:40:26,760 --> 04:40:29,500
Yeah, that's, you have to know something for two weeks.

3439
04:40:29,580 --> 04:40:30,460
That may have been crucial.

3440
04:40:31,520 --> 04:40:32,700
My thoughts, by Monday.

3441
04:40:32,700 --> 04:40:36,820
Yes, you can notice a special meeting.

3442
04:40:37,300 --> 04:40:39,340
You don't have to have those time requirements.

3443
04:40:39,980 --> 04:40:42,520
Okay, I'm to justify your need for a special meeting.

3444
04:40:42,540 --> 04:40:47,640
Special meeting in response to a request for feedback by the Board of Trustees.

3445
04:40:47,920 --> 04:40:50,460
And then you get the best knowledge you can get under the circumstances.

3446
04:40:51,020 --> 04:40:52,360
Okay, that's a special meeting.

3447
04:40:52,520 --> 04:41:00,660
Okay, so a lot of the special meeting later this week in order to provide feedback and time for Monday's meeting for the POTA.

3448
04:41:00,660 --> 04:41:09,100
I can't do Thursday not that I should I can call in I can't be here. Well, we'll need someone from a K or F, and

3449
04:41:09,660 --> 04:41:11,400
Maybe Mr. Chair talk

3450
04:41:12,280 --> 04:41:14,820
No, he says this is

3451
04:41:14,820 --> 04:41:23,960
Yeah, I can try to work way

3452
04:41:23,960 --> 04:41:30,160
Well, if we can't do Thursday, that's going to be either tomorrow or Friday

3453
04:41:39,290 --> 04:41:46,830
Any time as far as on concern of the day or evening that the commissioners are willing and able.

3454
04:42:19,260 --> 04:42:21,920
I know it's just, this is too complicated.

3455
04:42:22,840 --> 04:42:24,660
And the afternoon or the I get morning.

3456
04:42:25,000 --> 04:42:26,660
So what about there, day after night?

3457
04:42:36,360 --> 04:42:37,880
Point timing, the afternoon.

3458
04:42:38,140 --> 04:42:38,720
Fort Park.

3459
04:42:39,360 --> 04:42:41,060
What time are we looking at?

3460
04:42:43,690 --> 04:42:44,610
Fort Park.

3461
04:42:44,910 --> 04:42:46,610
What time are we looking at?

3462
04:42:46,750 --> 04:42:48,010
It's not Fort Park.

3463
04:42:48,350 --> 04:42:51,250
Fort Park, fair for a bar and fair for a bar and fair for a bar and fair for a bar and fair for a bar.

3464
04:42:51,250 --> 04:42:52,570
Yeah, Fort Park, one of your days.

3465
04:42:53,850 --> 04:42:54,490
Fort Park.

3466
04:42:55,770 --> 04:42:56,230
Five?

3467
04:42:57,070 --> 04:42:58,790
Five, five, five, five better?

3468
04:43:00,290 --> 04:43:08,790
What about what is probably better than there's after that?

3469
04:43:09,890 --> 04:43:13,790
This is always a source that I find it close, right?

3470
04:43:14,790 --> 04:43:16,710
How can you do it?

3471
04:43:17,010 --> 04:43:19,950
There's a lucky one.

3472
04:43:20,050 --> 04:43:21,970
Yeah, it's a job.

3473
04:43:21,970 --> 04:43:35,210
Yes, well, or before we can try with what about in a meeting like this, which starts at 630, that way people can do their normal day jobs, but it's far as 630, but it's far on 630.

3474
04:43:35,210 --> 04:43:35,750
We're going

3475
04:43:42,660 --> 04:43:52,120
to have to perform with some subset of us.

3476
04:44:24,240 --> 04:44:32,080
That is a critical that we do this before this morning, well, and I know the border crossing is a beating, but they're not going to vote.

3477
04:44:32,480 --> 04:44:33,880
It's a good question.

3478
04:44:36,680 --> 04:44:38,200
I'm not positive from that.

3479
04:44:40,460 --> 04:44:41,620
I'm not sure.

3480
04:44:42,060 --> 04:44:42,560
I'm not sure.

3481
04:44:42,560 --> 04:44:42,600
I'm not sure.

3482
04:44:42,940 --> 04:44:44,420
It's very critical.

3483
04:44:44,780 --> 04:44:48,540
I mean, I'd like to do it sooner rather than later, as well.

3484
04:44:48,880 --> 04:44:51,220
But I don't think we should all kill ourselves in reality.

3485
04:44:57,400 --> 04:44:59,740
I mean they're not going to find the right thing.

3486
04:45:00,740 --> 04:45:07,320
If we don't do it before, if we don't do it this week, I don't want to put it off for a month or two months.

3487
04:45:07,540 --> 04:45:12,600
So if we can get it done next week, I'm confident that that will still accomplish the goals.

3488
04:45:12,780 --> 04:45:14,520
We still are going to be appearing before the Board of Trustees.

3489
04:45:15,480 --> 04:45:17,300
But we really need to, you know, move this along.

3490
04:45:17,580 --> 04:45:19,300
But this has been heading since September.

3491
04:45:20,100 --> 04:45:27,560
And we're just talking about, you know, the Board is certainly not going to vote on this coming Monday.

3492
04:45:27,560 --> 04:45:32,820
for the height. And the other issues, right, those are, I don't know, but the Board of Trustees

3493
04:45:32,820 --> 04:45:34,740
isn't taking action on the 24th.

3494
04:45:35,620 --> 04:45:42,370
I mean, obviously I'll go back at the burden of letting the Board of Trustees know that the

3495
04:45:42,370 --> 04:45:48,690
matter of the discussion of height is a little take place along with these items, presumably

3496
04:45:49,690 --> 04:45:52,430
that we can't for this one next week.

3497
04:45:57,550 --> 04:46:08,170
So I would kind of circulate for times for next week, maybe some evening appointments similar to a 630 slot like tonight for some time next week.

3498
04:46:09,570 --> 04:46:11,490
The majority of us can be there.

3499
04:46:11,730 --> 04:46:17,170
Now we have a better chance of getting a care of you, Mr. Serrano, and I don't have a follow-up.

3500
04:46:17,670 --> 04:46:19,190
Why would we do Tuesdays?

3501
04:46:19,290 --> 04:46:23,530
Why would you just cut some time to digest that?

3502
04:46:23,530 --> 04:46:24,550
Okay.

3503
04:46:26,310 --> 04:46:27,950
We'll carry all of us.

3504
04:46:27,950 --> 04:46:28,150
We'll can Sir.

3505
04:46:28,490 --> 04:46:30,550
Can follow up with all of us too.

3506
04:46:31,330 --> 04:46:33,290
Now they have important ethics media tonight.

3507
04:46:33,370 --> 04:46:33,810
I'm not sure.

3508
04:46:34,350 --> 04:46:35,290
No, don't.

3509
04:46:35,650 --> 04:46:36,570
We're going to have a business.

3510
04:46:36,950 --> 04:46:37,190
Does it?

3511
04:46:37,490 --> 04:46:38,250
Send something out.

3512
04:46:38,570 --> 04:46:39,190
Yeah, definitely.

3513
04:46:39,690 --> 04:46:40,810
Yeah, I'm going to call you.

3514
04:46:41,290 --> 04:46:41,730
I'm going to call you.

3515
04:46:41,730 --> 04:46:41,970
I'm going to call you.

3516
04:46:42,730 --> 04:46:43,250
I'm going to call you.

3517
04:46:43,250 --> 04:46:43,310
I'm going to call you.

3518
04:46:43,650 --> 04:46:45,650
We're going to call you.

3519
04:46:46,390 --> 04:46:49,590
We don't want you to say anything.

3520
04:46:49,930 --> 04:46:50,910
Yes, now we've got a time.

3521
04:46:50,990 --> 04:46:52,030
We're already saying close.

3522
04:46:52,030 --> 04:46:52,450
I'm sorry.

3523
04:46:52,890 --> 04:46:53,690
I'm sorry.

3524
04:46:53,690 --> 04:46:54,790
Thank you.

3525
04:46:55,790 --> 04:46:56,670
Thank you.

3526
04:46:56,670 --> 04:46:56,990
Thank you.

3527
04:46:57,490 --> 04:46:57,770
Thank you.

3528
04:46:57,770 --> 04:47:05,430
Well, that's, but like I said, this has been around this for quite a while now.

3529
04:47:05,690 --> 04:47:06,750
Mr. Saro, anything else?

3530
04:47:07,010 --> 04:47:08,050
No, I'm asking you, it was right.

3531
04:47:08,230 --> 04:47:08,430
Anything else?

3532
04:47:08,890 --> 04:47:11,110
It's an working requirements for CD5, CD6.

3533
04:47:11,510 --> 04:47:16,530
The only other thing that I had on our list from the last time we talked, and I don't

3534
04:47:16,530 --> 04:47:20,970
know if we're going to talk about it during our workshop or not, was there was interest in getting

3535
04:47:20,970 --> 04:47:24,530
issuing an RFP for an architect.

3536
04:47:26,690 --> 04:47:32,070
So that's a job rate. So that the planning kit, because

3537
04:47:32,070 --> 04:47:38,910
a CAREF does the best that it can, but however, you know, planning departments doing the best

3538
04:47:38,910 --> 04:47:46,010
that it can, but the planning commission still is interested in getting an architect to evaluate these

3539
04:47:46,010 --> 04:47:54,070
applications in the context of the four-based code, confirming that it truly is compliant with the code and providing

3540
04:47:54,070 --> 04:47:57,670
feedback to us on from an independent standpoint.

3541
04:48:00,900 --> 04:48:06,860
Now, that would be aligned with each application.

3542
04:48:07,680 --> 04:48:13,520
Would that be retaining the architect for some grandiose, large-scale topic?

3543
04:48:13,520 --> 04:48:16,500
gets on a per application basis.

3544
04:48:20,680 --> 04:48:21,740
That was the only other thing I had.

3545
04:48:21,940 --> 04:48:24,320
The parking requirements for CD-5 and 6

3546
04:48:24,320 --> 04:48:26,160
that would have been another part of people

3547
04:48:26,160 --> 04:48:28,260
we could talk about that, or should we,

3548
04:48:28,400 --> 04:48:29,000
at the workshop?

3549
04:48:31,670 --> 04:48:32,370
That's it.

3550
04:48:32,530 --> 04:48:32,890
All right.

3551
04:48:33,410 --> 04:48:33,990
Anything else?

3552
04:48:35,030 --> 04:48:35,670
All right.

3553
04:48:36,070 --> 04:48:36,850
Good meeting, everybody.

3554
04:48:38,710 --> 04:48:39,010
Thank you.

3555
04:48:39,750 --> 04:48:39,830
Motion.

3556
04:48:40,150 --> 04:48:41,330
Motion to end the meeting.

3557
04:48:42,330 --> 04:48:43,310
All is a favor?

3558
04:48:43,870 --> 04:48:44,150
All right.

3559
04:48:44,290 --> 04:48:45,050
Good night, board judge.