[0:01] Good afternoon. [0:02] » Good afternoon. [0:05] » I am Shondaanda Taylor and this is our [0:10] planning commission work session agenda [0:12] for Tuesday, March 3rd, 2026 [0:16] starting at 12:35 [0:18] in the city council conference room, [0:20] sixth floor of city hall. [0:23] » Dr. Russell. [0:24] » All right, doc. And I'm going to for the [0:26] rest I'm going to defer to Dr. Russell. [0:28] » Good afternoon. Uh and thank you. We [0:30] have one agenda item this afternoon. Um [0:33] and it is a use permit application. Mr. [0:36] Bill Landfair is going to provide the uh [0:40] staff report for that uh item. And then [0:43] we're going to follow that with an uh [0:47] brief review of our agenda items for our [0:49] board of zoning appeals meeting um [0:54] uh for March 25th. And then we're going [0:56] to provide a project update for our [0:58] comprehensive planning projects for the [1:00] department. Mr. Landfair, principal [1:02] planner. [1:02] » Thank you, Dr. Russell. Good afternoon, [1:04] planning commissioners. [1:06] » Good afternoon. [1:07] » Bill Lanfair, principal planner with the [1:09] city of Portsouth planning department. [1:12] The application before you today is a [1:15] request for a use permit for the [1:17] development of three townhouse units on [1:19] approximately. 61 acres located at 531 [1:24] Edward Street in the multifamily urban [1:26] residential zoning district. [1:29] The subject property is located adjacent [1:32] to the Southside Gardens and Portide [1:34] Manor multifamily neighborhoods and is [1:37] also near the Port Center commercial [1:39] park. [1:41] The property is vacant, measuring [1:43] approximately 75 ft in length and 121 ft [1:47] in depth for a total of 9,075 [1:50] square ft or.21 acres. It's located [1:54] within the AE8 special flood hazard area [1:58] and the resource management area of the [2:00] Chesapeake Bay preservation area. [2:03] The surrounding neighborhood is [2:05] characterized by a mix of residential, [2:08] commercial, industrial, and [2:09] institutional land uses all within two [2:12] blocks of the subject property. [2:16] To the north and west, there are [2:17] multifamily developments containing town [2:20] houses, condominiums, and apartments [2:22] zoned multifamily urban residential. [2:26] To the east and south are detached [2:28] single family residences also zone [2:30] multifamily urban residential. [2:34] Additionally, two family and three to [2:37] four family dwellings can be found [2:39] within about one block of the subject [2:41] property. [2:44] The applicant is proposing to subdivide [2:46] the property into three townhouse lots. [2:49] Two will be end units 3,449 [2:53] square ft in size and one will be an [2:56] interior lot 2,178 [2:59] square ft in size. Each townhouse will [3:02] measure 18 ft in width and 30 ft in [3:05] depth providing 1556 square ft of living [3:09] area. Each dwelling will have a driveway [3:11] accommodating two off- streetet vehicle [3:13] parking spaces which satisfies the [3:16] requirement for the use. [3:19] Each unit will also include a covered [3:21] front porch and a seconds story rear [3:23] balcony. The submitted elevations and [3:26] conceptual plans are incorporated into [3:29] the conditions of approval for the use [3:31] permit to ensure substantial conformity [3:34] with the recommended design standards. [3:37] Staff is recommending approval of the [3:39] applicant's request with the recommended [3:41] conditions. The proposed residential use [3:44] will be consistent with the overall [3:46] intent and policies of the city's build [3:48] one portsmith comprehensive plan and the [3:52] citywide strategic housing plan [3:54] particularly relating to improved [3:56] housing quality and the provision of [3:59] mixed income housing. The development [4:01] will be appropriate at this location. It [4:04] provides compatible infill that improves [4:07] the appearance of the property and has [4:09] an architectural design that will [4:11] complement the surrounding area. The [4:13] planning department has not received any [4:15] public comments. This concludes my [4:18] presentation and I'll now stand by for [4:20] any questions. [4:27] » Commissioner is there any questions? No. [4:31] Okay. Thank you. [4:36] All right. [4:39] » All right. [4:40] » The next agenda items um will be [4:43] presented by Mr. Travon Boon, our zone [4:46] administrator, and he's going to review [4:48] the uh board of zoning appeals agenda [4:50] items that will be considered on March [4:52] 25th. [4:54] » Um good afternoon, commissioners. I say [4:56] that I am Son, zoning administrator for [4:58] the city of Portsouth. Um there are five [5:00] cases to be heard before the board of [5:02] voting appeals on March the 25th um at [5:04] our BCA meeting. Um those items include [5:07] 1404 Center Avenue. Um they are [5:10] requesting a special exception to [5:12] authorize the reduction of the minimum [5:14] minimum required side yard setback from [5:16] 7 ft to 3 ft and that's in order to [5:19] construct a detached single family [5:20] dwelling on a narrow lot. Um the next [5:24] item that we have is 316 High Street and [5:28] also 330 County Street. Um both are [5:31] requesting a special exception to [5:33] authorize a residential ground floor [5:36] conversion in accordance with section [5:38] 40.2-535 [5:41] subsection B subsection 2. [5:44] The next item that we have is 822 [5:46] Garfield Street. They are requesting a [5:49] variance in or in accord in in [5:51] accordance excuse me with zoning [5:52] ordinance section 40.2534 [5:55] subsection B subsection 6 to allow for a [5:58] deviation from the provisions of the [6:01] city code chapter 14.1 and the flood [6:04] protection area. And the last item that [6:06] we have is 1204 airline boulevard and [6:09] they're also requesting a variance to [6:11] reduce the side yard setbacks [6:13] requirements from 20 ft to 14 ft. and [6:16] they are all the items that we have by [6:18] our March the 25th meeting for the board [6:20] of zoning appeals. [6:22] » Commissioners, the um code of Virginia [6:25] requires that um we share with the [6:28] planning commission those agenda items [6:29] for our board of zoning appeals meeting [6:31] in the event that you have comments that [6:34] you would like for us to uh share with [6:36] board members or appear uh before the [6:39] board during their deliberations. [6:43] Okay, Madam Chair, that concludes the [6:46] formal agenda items for the meeting. I [6:49] do have an update on our planning [6:51] projects if I may share that with [6:53] commissioners. Okay, [6:55] » Miss Jackson. Mrs. Jackson. [7:03] Thank you. [7:21] Thank you. [7:23] » Thank you. [7:26] Thank you. [7:29] I was hoping you save one for me. So [7:32] anyway, [7:33] » Thank you. [7:38] Members of the commission, I um what you [7:41] uh traditionally see from um our agenda [7:45] items monthtomonth, you'll see resoning [7:47] applications, you'll see use permit [7:49] applications. Occasionally um over the [7:52] the 24 months that I have been on board, [7:55] you've seen a couple of zoning ordinance [7:57] text amendments, but I thought as we [7:59] were deliberating amongst our team [8:01] members uh about project assignments and [8:04] priorities of projects that it would be [8:06] beneficial to share with the [8:07] commissioners the comprehensive planning [8:09] projects or the long-term planning [8:11] projects that we're working on and then [8:13] to give you some status information [8:15] about those projects. I also think that [8:17] it's um [8:21] prudent to share this information with [8:23] you because we often get requests. I [8:25] received a request this morning from a [8:26] citizen that made an appointment to [8:28] speak to me about things that they think [8:30] we ought to be involved in and put on [8:32] our list of priorities. Um and so uh the [8:36] first item is the historic uh district [8:39] design guidelines review. Mr. Bill [8:42] Landfair uh coordinates and supports [8:44] both our uh uh historic preservation [8:47] commiss commission and our uh DDC our [8:51] our downtown design um commission. And [8:55] what we have found um is that the design [9:00] guidelines for both districts really [9:03] don't take advantage of some of the new [9:06] opportunities for materials um that are [9:10] more costly. uh and more effective um in [9:14] terms of um uh energy efficiency and [9:17] other efficiencies. Um and because [9:20] they're not in the guidelines, they are [9:22] not ready opportunities for property [9:24] owners to use. So take for example slate [9:27] roofing. They're composite materials [9:30] that emulate that so that from the [9:33] untrained eye, they're [9:35] indistinguishable, especially if you're [9:37] looking at it from the ground level. and [9:39] our design guidelines don't um currently [9:42] permit that. Additionally, for window [9:44] treatments, composite window treatments [9:47] that resemble wood material um that [9:50] would be appropriate. Our design [9:52] guidelines in many instances don't [9:53] permit. And so um for at least a year uh [9:58] I have u been party to discussions about [10:01] when are we going to update the historic [10:04] uh preservation district uh design [10:06] guidelines and we are undertaking that [10:09] effort as we speak and so we want you to [10:11] be aware of that. In addition to um the [10:15] materials, we want to review the [10:18] administrative [10:20] um [10:22] allowances that would permit uh staff to [10:25] review and approve [10:28] uh work within our historic districts [10:30] and issue a certificate of occupancy [10:33] without having to go through board [10:35] review. And the reason why that's [10:37] important is in in most instances it [10:41] time is money. And if we can get a [10:43] project to construction four weeks [10:46] faster or eight weeks faster, we are um [10:51] uh improving the outcome from the [10:54] developer or the property owner just by [10:57] the nature of uh saving time and saving [10:59] money. [11:01] We've talked a lot about the link [11:03] district and uh you most recently [11:06] considered amendments to the uh [11:10] Portsmith zoning ordinance uh regarding [11:13] adoption of provisions um of the [11:15] ordinance to implement the [11:17] recommendations of the innovation plan. [11:20] You will recall that we propose that we [11:23] do that in two phases. Um that we put [11:26] forth those prescriptive recommendations [11:28] that are in the plan and we follow that [11:31] effort with a stakeholder engagement [11:34] process so that we readress some of the [11:37] design guidelines that uh are outlined [11:41] in the innovation plan to model um some [11:45] of the observations that we've made in [11:48] other areas. main street downtown areas [11:51] that have reinvented themselves. Um that [11:55] effort where we are is developing or [11:57] identifying stakeholders who would be [11:59] involved in that process. Uh we have [12:02] intentionally sought to observe the [12:05] stakeholder engagement process around [12:08] the Crawford Bay um [12:11] um uh stakeholder public engagement [12:15] efforts that have just includ concluded [12:18] and and I'll share with you that um I [12:21] actually registered as a participant uh [12:24] in the um Porsmith um it was on our the [12:27] Porsche website and I just marveled how [12:32] that uh the updates for real time for [12:35] both of the community engagement efforts [12:38] uh were sent to me by text message, by [12:40] email uh and by phone. So, it would have [12:43] been impossible to forget uh that both [12:45] of those activities were occurring and [12:48] then what we were being asked to do as [12:51] stakeholders [12:52] uh in the process in in our [12:54] participation. And so we're going to as [12:57] closely as possible mimic that process [13:01] uh in the development of the link [13:03] district design guidelines. [13:06] So our short-term rental ordinance, we [13:10] don't know if we presented this to the [13:12] planning commission or not, but in [13:13] September we did present to uh the city [13:17] council in a work session uh information [13:20] about our short-term rental ordinance [13:22] and the provisions of the code of [13:23] Virginia. And so just in a quick [13:26] summary, um the code permits by right uh [13:30] a property owner to use their property [13:33] for short-term rentals as long as they [13:36] are residing in the property at least [13:38] 50% of the time. Okay? So that could [13:41] mean to, you know, if you take six [13:43] months out of the year, say they they're [13:44] living in the property six months and [13:46] then they're using it as a short-term [13:48] rental six months or they're residing at [13:50] the in the property at the same time or [13:54] portion of the time that it is also um [13:56] being leased as a short-term rental. Um [14:01] we had committed to um well we have [14:04] committed to to have this process [14:07] complete by summer 2026. [14:10] Um the the [14:13] challenge with this one is that the the [14:16] stakeholders aren't readily [14:18] identifiable, you know, because I mean [14:20] in general they're property owners. Uh [14:23] we think that the um the uh real estate [14:27] brokerage industry would would also be [14:29] stakeholders uh involved in this [14:31] process. [14:32] uh property managers. There are all [14:35] kinds of uh levels of expertise that we [14:37] want to bring to the table in uh vetting [14:40] and developing an ordinance uh for [14:43] short-term rentals. Uh I noticed over [14:45] the weekend um [14:49] a community is very different from from [14:51] Portmith. Uh but it's the town of [14:53] Smithville. There's an article that said [14:55] they have very few uh short-term rentals [14:58] and their ordinance only requires the [15:00] registration um of the uh property as a [15:04] short-term rental and uh a business [15:07] license. And so uh we are uh also [15:11] responsible for benchmarking and and [15:13] just finding out you know what what our [15:15] neighboring localities are doing and [15:16] what's working uh what's not working and [15:19] then try to launch our ordinance process [15:22] in a way that avoids those uh regulatory [15:26] practices that that did not work for our [15:28] neighbors. [15:30] Uh comprehensive plan update. So we did [15:34] an audit of the comprehensive plan that [15:36] we presented to the PL our planning [15:38] commissioners and council. Uh we have [15:42] actually out on EVA which is the state's [15:45] uh procurement website uh a request for [15:48] proposals where we're seeking consultant [15:50] support to help us in the development of [15:53] our 2040 comprehensive plan. We [15:56] anticipate that that is going to be uh [15:59] about a a a 24 to 30month effort. Uh we [16:04] are uh well aware of the best practices [16:07] uh Commissioner Melvin that you have [16:08] asked us to consider uh in the [16:11] development of that plan. Along the way, [16:14] you will uh as commissioners will [16:16] receive periodic reports uh on the [16:19] status of our plan development uh as [16:23] well as information about our [16:24] stakeholder and public engagement um uh [16:28] activities so that you can participate [16:30] if you'd like. And then the last item um [16:34] we should mark that as complete. We did [16:36] a overhaul of our Chesapeake Bay [16:39] uh preservation district ordinance uh [16:42] and uh reaffirmation of the maps [16:45] designating our RPA, RMA [16:48] um and intensely developed area features [16:51] uh on our map. And so just want um [16:54] commissioners to be aware, you know, in [16:56] tandem as we're processing these uh land [16:58] use applications and our site plans and [17:00] our subdivisions and supporting our five [17:02] boards and commissions, we are also [17:04] working on those long-term projects that [17:07] really um will change the uh physical um [17:14] appearance, the physical uh plant of the [17:17] community. Uh and those efforts take [17:20] time. [17:21] I'm happy to answer. I'm looking at this [17:23] is usually y'all are surprised. So, I [17:26] have an audience of three today. [17:28] » Do you have any questions? I'd be more [17:30] than happy to answer them. [17:31] » Um I think it's just one that is not on [17:34] this sheet, but it's up there. The code [17:37] enforcement for entertainment venues. [17:39] » We took that off. You know why? Cuz we [17:41] we we are for the most part done with [17:44] that. We have to tweak that ordinance [17:46] that was adopted in August 2026. [17:49] » Um [17:51] relative to implementation because we [17:53] had some some challenges that I I don't [17:55] want to discuss um in public because I'd [17:58] be identifying the specific properties. [18:00] Okay. [18:01] » Um but with respect to uh enforcement [18:05] and um mitigation of of the the two [18:09] properties that were a challenge, those [18:11] issues were resolved on February 25th. [18:13] » Yes. [18:13] » Okay. [18:19] I definitely like the historic district [18:21] design guideline review. Thank you so [18:25] much. Um I learned about that the hard [18:28] way by actually going through it. Um but [18:31] everybody was great, especially Phil and [18:33] Miss Rhonda. Um, but I do like that it [18:36] was uh even a thought um Sean I think [18:39] his name is who is the president of uh [18:42] the HPC to like once in a while have a [18:46] meeting of the minds for everybody [18:47] involved like from [18:50] historical to planning commission to [18:52] zoning just so that like we make sure [18:54] we're all on one page about some of the [18:56] changes that come down the pipeline. Um, [18:59] I'm excited for the link district and [19:03] short-term rental ordinance. That's [19:05] going to be um a project. A project and [19:10] a challenge, but I know you guys can get [19:12] it done. So, I'm excited about [19:13] everything that's on the list for the [19:15] city. [19:16] » Wonderful. Are you interested in being a [19:17] stakeholder on any of those? [19:19] » I can be. [19:20] » Okay. Any all [19:21] » Can be. So, [19:22] » So [19:24] » Maybe one or two. [19:25] » Okay. [19:25] » But I got you. [19:27] » Thank you. Yeah, thank you for the [19:28] update. I definitely interested being a [19:30] stakeholder for the link district [19:32] ordinance and the uh comprehensive plan. [19:35] » Um, thank you for [19:37] um considering my feedback for the [19:39] comprehensive plan. I know uh doing a [19:42] great job here with including smart [19:43] goals which are very important. Um but [19:46] also including like a capability matrix [19:48] for each department will help out [19:50] because you'll find yourself in the same [19:52] predicament as last year with uh [19:55] departments not um doing certain you [19:58] know objectives cuz they just might not [20:00] have the capability such as you know [20:02] funding or the amount of people. So the [20:04] capability matrix gives Mr. Carter the [20:06] opportunity to see where each department [20:08] is at and be able to fund or plan out so [20:13] that they can reach that objective. So [20:15] just just something to to note there so [20:18] that we can [20:20] show action with a comprehensive plan. [20:23] » Okay. Can you help me with how is the [20:25] capability metrics um different than uh [20:30] a task an assignment? [20:32] » Yeah. So you can um provide you can give [20:35] any task right but if the department per [20:39] se can't meet that task [20:42] then it's just it's just out there it's [20:44] not going to be done. So with the [20:45] capability matrix matrix it shows you [20:48] there's like a a taxonomy out there that [20:52] shows you like uh from levels one to [20:53] five [20:55] um where you can meet at. And like [20:57] usually typically when companies do this [21:00] they want to be at level three or four. [21:02] That means that their pro processes are [21:03] in place. They have the right amount of [21:05] people that can do the job. They have [21:07] the funding so that they can meet that [21:09] task. Now, if you're under level three, [21:12] if you're at one or two, that means you [21:14] don't have the processes in place, you [21:15] don't have the funding, you don't have [21:16] the people, so you can't meet that [21:18] objective. And there's nothing to do [21:20] with, you know, the department itself. [21:22] It's just that there's some there's a [21:24] shortage somewhere. And with the [21:25] capability matrix, it gives you the city [21:28] manager the um the ability to see like, [21:32] okay, I see where my shortfalls are at [21:35] now. I can uh strategically [21:37] um allocate resources to that department [21:41] so that they can meet that objective if [21:43] that's your priority. So that's how [21:46] capability matrix will will help out [21:47] with the task. Because if you just have [21:49] a task and smart goals, it's nice to [21:51] have on paper, [21:54] but you need the people, you need the [21:55] funding, you need the processes in order [21:58] to actually execute. And that's where I [22:01] realized that a lot of, you know, [22:04] companies uh go wrong is that they don't [22:06] have the means to execute. I know we're [22:08] in a resource constraint environment [22:11] and this allows you to see on paper [22:13] where we're at and then prioritize um [22:16] based off of that. Right. So, you know, [22:19] we always say like the the hard thing is [22:22] not what you're going to do, it's what [22:24] you're not going to do. And capability [22:26] matrix helps you plan that. So, [22:29] » Thank you. [22:31] » All right, Madam Chair. [22:32] » That completes the [22:34] » I don't know if your other audience [22:36] members have questions or comments. All [22:38] right. This concludes our work session. [22:41] Work session. [22:51] Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I [22:53] would like to welcome you all to this [22:55] very important meeting today, Tuesday, [22:57] March 3rd, 2026 in the city of [23:01] Portsmouth City Council Chambers. [23:09] » Thank you, Madam Chairman. [23:11] Commissioners, we will now have roll [23:13] call. Please indicate your presence [23:15] electronically. [23:21] Four members of the planning commission [23:23] are present. Commissioners, before you [23:26] are the minutes of February 3rd, 2026 [23:29] public hearing. If there are any [23:31] changes, we are in need of a motion. [23:37] » I so move to approve. [23:40] Second. [23:42] We have a second and a motion, [23:44] Madam Secretary. [23:46] » Thank you, Madam Chairman. We have a [23:47] motion and a second to approve the [23:49] minutes from the February 3rd, 2026 [23:52] Planning Commission meeting, and you [23:54] will be voting electronically. [24:01] The minutes are approved by a vote of [24:03] 420. [24:09] Announcements of future meetings and [24:12] conferences. [24:14] Our next scheduled work session is [24:17] Tuesday, April the 7th, 2026 at 12:30 [24:21] p.m. City Council conference room [24:24] followed by public hearing at 1:30 p.m. [24:27] City Council Chamber. Planning [24:29] Commission rules limit a speaker up to 5 [24:32] minutes to speak. We also ask that [24:35] everyone please silence your cell phones [24:37] at this time if you have not already [24:39] done so. Items reviewed today will be [24:42] presented to city council for action at [24:45] their April the 14, 2026 public hearing [24:48] or as otherwise noted. Our first item, [24:52] UP-25-16 [24:56] West Kredo Community Housing Partners [24:59] request a use permit to construct [25:01] multifamily dwelling on approximately [25:04] 2.3 combined acres located at 2216 [25:10] and 2220 Wen Avenue in the multifamily [25:14] urban residential URM zoning district. [25:18] The properties are owned by Portsmouth [25:20] Afton Square LP and are further [25:24] identified as tax map 465 parcels 38 and [25:29] 39. The future land use map of the build [25:32] one portsmith comprehensive plan [25:35] designates this property for low to [25:38] medium density single family [25:40] residential. [25:41] The staff coordinator is Bill Landfair. [25:44] Will the applicant or representative for [25:47] this application please come forward and [25:50] present your application at this time? [25:56] » Yeah, Miss Jackson, I think that was uh [25:59] I don't think that was correct public [26:00] hearing item. [26:15] Huh? [26:23] My apologies. [26:25] The case is UP-26-01 [26:30] Oakton. TB Baker and T. Williams [26:34] requests a use permit for the [26:36] development of three townhouse units on [26:40] approximately 0.21 acres located at 531 [26:45] Edward Street in the multif family urban [26:47] residential URM zoning district. The [26:51] property is further identified as tax [26:54] map 39 parcel 51. The future land use [26:58] map of the build on poresmith [27:00] comprehensive plan designates this [27:03] property for mixeduse employment. [27:07] Will the applicant or the representative [27:09] for this application please come forward [27:11] and present your application at this [27:14] time? [27:19] Chairman Taylor, may I speak? [27:21] » Sure. [27:23] It appears that the applicant is not [27:25] present, which gives us um one of of of [27:29] two maybe three choices. We could wait [27:32] uh a few minutes to see if the applicant [27:35] is delayed by traffic or some other uh [27:38] means and reach out to them um by phone. [27:40] We could defer consideration of the item [27:43] until your next planning commission [27:44] meeting or in the absence of the [27:46] applicant, the commission could always [27:48] deny the request. I [27:50] » Think we should defer [27:53] or or as Mr. Miller has suggested al or [27:57] approve [27:59] » Uh do we want to give them the [28:01] opportunity to get here? [28:03] » Have we tried to [28:04] » We can give them a few minutes. [28:06] » Okay. [28:10] » Take take a recess for five minutes. [28:14] » Yes. [28:15] Recess for five minutes. [28:19] All [28:27] right, we will resume. [28:33] Okay. [28:36] Uh, ladies and gentlemen, this is a [28:38] public hearing on item 26-01. [28:44] The applicant is not here. [28:47] Commissioners, uh, Madame Chair Erson, [28:50] we need a um motion and a second to for [28:56] to defer. If that's your pleasure, [28:59] » I so move to defer to our next meeting. [29:07] » We need a second. [29:08] » Second. [29:08] » We're going to defer it. [29:14] » Meeting. [29:16] No, it's important that we defer to next [29:18] meeting. [29:18] » You say that [29:20] » But the council said it's probably most [29:22] important that we defer to next meeting. [29:24] We were comparing to any other incident [29:26] that this happened before. So [29:32] » I think we should wait till they hear [29:34] before we go. I think it would be more [29:37] beautiful. [29:39] » Second. [29:40] » All right. We have a motion and a [29:41] second. [29:43] We have a motion and a second to defer [29:45] UP-26-01 [29:48] and you will be voting electronically. [29:54] This item is approved by a vote of 321. [30:04] » No business. [30:05] » All right. Madam Secretary, I believe [30:06] that concludes our agenda for today. Is [30:08] that correct? [30:09] » That is correct. Madame Chairman, may I [30:12] make a comment under director's [30:14] comments, please? [30:16] » Yes. [30:16] » Okay. The um believe Miss Jackson, or it [30:21] might already be in front of you, a QR [30:23] code for the planning commissioner um [30:25] satisfaction survey that we discussed [30:28] last month. We would appreciate if [30:30] commissioners would at this time or at [30:32] some point within the next um couple of [30:35] hours complete the survey just to [30:37] provide feedback on um the staff report [30:40] and your um how we've helped prepare you [30:44] um for your deliberations regarding land [30:46] use cases and we'll provide that um [30:49] summary of your feedback and use this [30:52] data set as the benchmark um for um how [30:55] we have improved over time. Thank you. [31:00] All right, [31:02] » Commissioners. Will there be any further [31:04] business? [31:08] No. All [31:08] » Right, Dr. Russell, is there any further [31:11] business? [31:12] All right. You're welcome. Hearing none, [31:15] this meeting is now adjourned.