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And I'd also like to read a land acknowledgement. Paul's vote is located on the ancestral lands of the

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Indigenous Aquamish people, for whom this place is known as Tathta Klutz, or the land of the

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vine maples. Every part of this soil is sacred in the estimation of my people. Every hillside,

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every valley, every plain, and grow has been hallowed by some sad or happy event in days long

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vanished. Chief Seattle, 1854. Now would you stand for the Pledge of Allegiance?

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Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for

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which stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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On the agenda review, Council Members, first of all I'd like to welcome Council Member

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for table and is a council member, Crowe here also?

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Okay, she's on the screen.

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She's out on there now.

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Hopefully she will come back shortly.

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So under the agenda review council,

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I would like to add right after the approval

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of the agenda resolution number 20408,

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which is in your teal holder, if you'd like to get it out.

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I emailed this out to you

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and I would like to read that at the beginning of the meeting so everybody is

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aware of the position of the city of Pawsville okay. When we set the agenda has

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modified. Second we have a motion in a second Miss libdeaux libdeaux

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Stirner Nuel I McVey I Eckerduy Mr. Taber. Hey Burai. Thank you. Now with that I

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I would like to read this resolution

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and it is a resolution of the City Council.

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And so I would ask for it to be adopted

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with a motion after it is being read.

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I call it the resolution of hope.

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A resolution of the City Council of the City of Palsbo,

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Washington, affirming the City of Palsbo as a place

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which welcomes all people and respects all residents.

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Whereas the mayor exercises control over the property

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and facilities of the City of Palsbo,

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whereas the City Council has historically approved

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the raising of commemorative flags and banners,

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identified with a specific event,

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cause, theme, nation, or group of people,

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but the City chooses to honor, recognize, or commemorate,

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and whereas the City installed banners along its street

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on May 31, 2024, to commemorate Pride Month, traditionally celebrated through the month

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of June. And whereas,

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the install banners were bandalized in the early mornings of June

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1, 2024, sliced and defaced. And whereas, a private citizen, the day after, voluntarily came

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name and sow the banners, repairing them, demonstrating resilience, love and charity

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towards all.

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And whereas, the citizens of the City of Polesbo show love, respect, and tolerance for

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one another, rejecting hate in all forms.

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And whereas, the citizens of the City of Polesbo choose love over hate, respect over intolerance,

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rejecting hate in all forms and whereas the citizens of the City of Pulseville

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excuse me now therefore be resolved by the City Council of the City of Pulseville

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as follows that we honor all citizens of our community and celebrate the City of

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Pulseville as a place of freedom of expression, identity, faith, belief, love,

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love, charity and hope for everyone.

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Resolve this day, June 5, 2024.

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With that, I'd entertain a motion for approval of resolution.

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Madam Mayor, I move to approve resolution number 2024-08.

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There is a motion in the second.

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Is there any comments regarding this motion?

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Resolution.

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And just to express our gratitude for adopting this and making the affirmative hopeful statement

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that you are.

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Thank you on behalf of the City Councilman.

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Yeah, I just want to say I hope everyone

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hears that and understands what it means.

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It is hate and hate is wrong. It does not matter who is targeting or who is targeted. We don't stand for it, not in our city. So, read it, believe it, and understand, we're not going to stand for it.

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Any other comments, council? I just want to thank you for putting those words down on our behalf. I've had some comments and questions as to why I haven't made any public statements regarding this situation.

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The defacing of the banners is an ongoing and criminal investigation, and as mayor of

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the city of Palsville, I never make comments about ongoing criminal investigations.

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It would be inappropriate and actually could impede or interrupt the investigation.

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So that is why I have not made any comments.

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Okay. We have a motion in a second. Any further discussion?

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Ms. Libdall. Libdall aye.

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Mr. Nye.

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No, aye.

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Taber aye.

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Thank you, Council.

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Any comments from citizens to see?

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I stand before you with a full heart of pride and sorrow.

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As I drove through downtown Palso this morning, there was the first time I had done it since the flags were raised.

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I was overwhelmed by a sense of pride to live in a town that celebrates inclusivity and belonging.

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Yet this pride was marred by the sadness of seeing our pride flags, symbols of love and acceptance,

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slashed less than 24 hours after they were raised.

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This act of vandalism is a stark reminder that while we breathe life into our community,

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with acts of unity and inclusiveness.

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There are those who breathe hurt and hate.

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In moments like these, I think of Dr. Masuri, Masudo, Masu Masaru, and also a researcher

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who studied the impact of worth and intention on water.

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His experiments showed that water molecules respond positively to kind words and negatively

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When spoken with, when spoken to with love, water formed beautiful harmonious crystals.

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When exposed to hate, it became disordered and chaotic.

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This concept resonates deeply with me as a Hawaiian because of our word, ha, which means

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breath, ha is more than just the act of breathing, it is the breath of life, a spiritual force

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that connects us all.

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Our words, actions and intentions shape the world around us, just as the shape, just as they

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shape the water in Dr. Imolta's studies. When we breathe life with kindness, understanding

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and acceptance, we create a community that flourishes and thrives. When we breathe

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life with hate and harm, we just start the harmony and hurt the very fabric of our society.

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I invite you all to reflect on the life you breathe into our community. How do your words

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and actions shape the world around you? Do they create beauty and harmony or do they contribute

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to chaos and discord. As we stand together in the face of this hurtful act, let us

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choose to breathe life with love and compassion. What is the life you want to breathe? Thank

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you. Ma'am, I didn't get your name. I'm Angelina Swerver. Thank you very much.

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Council Mayor, citizens. My name is Emory Talon. I'm a longtime community member here. I've been

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involved with Pulse Book Pride since the beginning. I've involved more organizations.

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As much as we can

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come to this room and agree that Paul's bow is a beautiful place to live. It is not a safe place

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to live. It is not a welcoming place to live. It is not a inviting place to live. There are

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people in this room who have had their very livelihoods threatened by individuals and group

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actions in this town, including the bringing in of hate speech or Joseph back home by Gateway

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Fellowship. The Kitsap County Republican Party had in their party platform that marriage was between

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a man and a woman until last fall. These are not beliefs held by radical extremists. These are

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beliefs held by our neighbors, by our parents, by our in-laws, and by our friends. It is on us

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to quench this hate while I admire and uphold.

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The city for making a firm statement tonight and for rising the flags, it's going to take much more than that. Hate consistently needs to be aggressively admonished and put out. That can only be done with love and the support of our law enforcement and protectors. We request the city would identify itself as a victim to bring this to the necessary level to acknowledge it as a hate crime. Property damage is important

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and serious to be dealt with, but it is oftentimes a misdemeanor.

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A hate crime allows this to be given much more resources from a state level and a federal

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There are discussions going on locally here in our community as recent as two weeks from

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this coming Monday or week from this Monday held by the NAACP.

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It will have representatives from the state as well as the FBI and it's a specific discussion

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towards hate speech.

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I would hope to see all of you there.

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It's a Monday night, I'm going to be there, I'm going to stay at home, dad, that struggles

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to make ends meet.

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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect some of our elected officials and paid officials

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to be there.

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Thank you for our community for coming out tonight.

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But I think it's important that we don't skin over the fact that there is violence and hate

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being actively perpetuated on our community as we speak.

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If we do not stand up against it and acknowledge that it happens, it will continue to happen.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council, my name is Pam Keeley.

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Less than a week ago, pride flags were joyfully raised outside these chambers and pride banners

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installed along Front Street.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for saying to our community that Poles vote is trying to become a truly welcoming

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place for all, where the existence, dignity, and human rights of every human is really

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perspective and protected.

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Within a day though, someone tried to destroy that step forward with a premeditated violent

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act.

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It was a shock, but not a surprise.

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Vigitrian hate, often calling for violence these days, is commonplace.

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It blurs from TV, social media, and even churches.

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Ignoring it,

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Validates it,

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Ignoring it,

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Feeds it.

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This is what we want

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and want to know.

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Identification of the attack on the banners

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as is defined by the state of Washington

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and the United States Department of Justice

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as a hate crime.

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A full proper and active investigation

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not a passive request on Facebook

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for the public to bring information to the police.

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Officers doing their job and going into the community.

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As of last evening, several businesses, including one

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with the security camera at eye level on the street,

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had not been reached out to by Paul's book PD.

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Why weren't they contacted on Saturday before crucial evidence

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may have been lost?

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This is not Seattle.

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We're talking about two dozen interactions at most

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that could have begun at 7 a.m. when the slashed banners were discovered.

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Why did chief Harding not respond over the weekend to request from the media for information?

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Why has there been no press release from the mayor?

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Updates on progress of an investigation, not details,

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but that an investigation is underway,

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that the city is paying attention and wants to reassure the community.

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has there been no formal statement on measures being taken now to assure community

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safety?

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What education and training have the police had regarding hate crimes, including training

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mandated by the state of Washington?

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We want the City Council to activate the GARA program, which the City joined over two years

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ago, Restoration of the Police Advisory Board, which was disbanded by Mayor Erickson ten

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years ago.

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We want real packed meetings with participants that are not solely hand-picked by the mayor and police chief and that are well publicized to the entire city.

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Last point, we do not want this incident used as justification for six more cups when the existing force is operating under dysfunctional leadership.

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We do want effective leadership that sees accountability not as an effort to their authority but a professional responsibility and means of building trust.

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We want leadership that models honesty, transparency, and the courage to grow.

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Good evening. My name is Rory Janssen. I'm a paulso citizen, a mother, and use shaker pronouns.

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A couple of facts off the bat. The LGBTQIA plus community are nine times more likely to be the victims of violent crimes.

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LGBTQIIA youth are four times more likely to attempt suicide than their peers.

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This is not because they're an inherently more violent or depressed group.

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This is because of societal biases.

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Societal biases that are allowed to grow when you don't include them in your community

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and treat them as equal citizens.

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When we put those banners up, we were here on Friday,

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it was a wonderful ceremony.

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My heart was so full.

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We invited members of our community to be the authentic selves.

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We celebrated them for their contributions to our community,

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and we created a safe and welcoming space for them.

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Sleshing those banners was very much an act of violence.

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And it reminded us that the bias is still very much alive

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in Paul's vote, and it made members of our community

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that pay their taxes, that participate as citizens feel unsafe in our community.

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We cannot continue to build housing tracks and invite people to live into this community,

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telling them that it is safe and they are welcome here, as long as they or their children are not queer.

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In addition to that beautiful resolution upholding the values of love in our community,

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I would like to see a strong condemnation of that violence by everyone in our

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government. And I'd like to see a strong condemnation of the actions that were

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taken this weekend. I want to unequivocally know that you have our backs so

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that we can have yours. Thank you.

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Good evening. My name is Linda Hope. I am the

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proud mother of gay daughter. The lives here in Paul's Bow. And I want to say that

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The slashing of the pride flags is disturbing to say the least.

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It was an act of violence.

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It wasn't just a mere slashing.

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It was a sign of violence in our community.

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If a symbol representing our LGBTQIA community isn't safe,

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how can that community itself feel safe?

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How can those of us who are allies feel safe on the streets

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of Paul's phone?

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If we are ever to feel safe, you must make it clear that any attempt to intimidate and silence us will be treated as a hate crime, and every resource will be used to see that that person is identified and prosecuted.

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It's easy to sit here and read a statement that you're committed to being a diverse community.

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If you are indeed committed to that, show us.

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Take some action.

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Let us know that you've got all our backs.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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I'm not seeing any other public comments.

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I want to thank you all for being here tonight.

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We hear you.

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We feel you.

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You

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know, no hate zones, everyone quit hating one another.

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That's not who we are as people.

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I mean, I keep thinking about Logan coming back and sewing those flags up.

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That's who Paul's bow is.

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That's who Paul's bow is.

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And it is infuriating to me that we try so hard to be open and gracious

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and loving in this community, and yet we have these kind of things occur, so okay, with

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that, we are going to go on to Mayor's Reports and Council comments, Ms. Liftole.

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I can very easily, unequivocally condemn the actions of this individual that happened

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and on Saturday morning.

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It's disgusting. And I want to acknowledge that for the LGBTQ community, the distance between

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slashed banners and physical violence to themselves feels like a very short distance.

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I don't live

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that experience. So it might be, you know, challenging for me to try to put myself in

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in that place, but I want to acknowledge that it was violent assault on our city property

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that represents much more than just property to

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the LGBTQ community you're seen and loved

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and valued, and for myself, the actions of this last weekend don't deter me, they will

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stand in the way of the progress that we need to make and

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I promise that I will work

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towards holding the rest of this body and this government accountable to try and find

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out who did this and to prevent it from happening in the future and

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I think you all said a lot

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a lot of things that I agree with, so I'm going to let the rest of council speak.

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Thanks.

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I would ask the clerk's office if you have that one slide to put up while that's coming

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up.

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I'd like to say that the city made a joyful statement last weekend in putting those banners

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up and trying to celebrate the diversity and respect and opinions of all our citizens.

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and it certainly was a very disturbing, sad moment Saturday morning.

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I do think not to be disheartened, not to be discounted, but it's certainly an opportunity.

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I think, for further self-examination, individually, as a community, as people.

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so I think there's real opportunity here. I was struck by this on Saturday when I woke up and

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learned about the banners we had so joyously celebrated on Friday morning. And what you see here,

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this was posted, and I was struck by the difference, and this is with their permission. This is Mayor

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Greg Wheeler of Bremerton with his wife, Sonny Wheeler, at the Mariner baseball game

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at T-Mobile Field on Saturday, where the Mariner organization, as part of Major League

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baseball, passed out to almost all the attendees, tens of thousands, these pride caps for Seattle

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mariners. How would one go about cutting up 20 or 30,000 baseball camps to make a statement?

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Who would do that? Who would attempt to equate that kind of reactionary response to something

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like baseball? I mean, what's more American than baseball? And here is Major League Baseball

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and our team in the Seattle Mariners and our Mayor of

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Bremerton and his wife proudly displaying that.

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I'm also reminded by my councilman fellow councilman

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and military Rick Eckert that the military celebrates pride

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and actually changes up some of the uniform representation

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for that day and week.

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How would one go about ripping up the uniforms and emblems

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of our military. So I'm left wondering where we draw the line that we were radical

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somehow in putting up those banners as a community and that it needed to be pushed

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back against. I guess with that same individual or people want to push back on baseball

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or the military, I know that change comes hard and I'm not discounting that. But I just

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It was just so struck on Saturday that balance, so I'll just conclude, mayor, by saying.

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I appreciate the pride community suggestion that we leave the slashed banners that were sown together by Logan up and not replace them with the banners that we have to make them whole because, again, it's an opportunity for self-examination and introspection for a community, for a people, for us. Thank you, Mayor. There

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is much to be thankful for.

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as we are on this journey of life and what all brought us here to the city of

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Pulsbow on a sunny day like today and we're here or joyous and we're celebrating

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all of the individuals that make up our community and the uniqueness of it. We

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need to work together to as many of my colleagues up here in the mayor

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stated to not focus on hate, to not tolerate hate, but to look to ways to engage and

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love one another. I'm also a retired military as many of you know. I had the honor of serving

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28 years and I saw the journey and the military change from what it was in the 80s to where

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is today, or the chief of naval operations remains a four-star admiral, but she is in charge

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of our Navy. We have women in charge of our aircraft carriers. We'll soon have a woman

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in charge of a submarine. That is a journey that didn't happen like this. It happened over time.

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I know that when I retired from the Navy about a decade ago, my command had the honor

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have been a commanded officer, as Ed and Rick have pointed out, you know, we celebrate

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pride at our command.

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This is something that is not unique to us, it is, but it is a journey and we need to

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look for ways to engage everyone and sit them down at the table and go, how do we sort

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through this and how do we move together holding hands and understanding our differences

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is in getting people to say yes, we all belong.

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Unfortunately, we still have work to do.

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I think our kids will be working on various problems in this standpoint

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from the standpoint of how do we find joy in each other and not find differences.

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Thank you, Mr. Miller, Mr. McVeigh.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Some of you are connected with me on Facebook, I will repeat some of the things I posted immediately

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on Saturday afterwards that condemning the act of this individual and supporting what

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we have done in the city of Paul's Pope to make it a welcoming community, including for

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LGBTQ people.

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I also will do everything I can, and I know my colleagues up here in

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our police department will do everything they can to hold the individual accountable,

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including the consideration of hate crime charges. I think we've made considerable progress

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in the city, in the five years that I've been on city council. Are we all the way, we

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do you want to be? No.

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It's the elimination of hate within a geographic region is not

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an easy thing to accomplish. I think we're doing our part and we'll continue to do more.

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I'm committed to that and I think my colleagues are committed to that.

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I was among the leaders

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on this council in posting Pride vanners the last two years, I still celebrate that.

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And while I was saddened by the acts of this one individual, I have been uplifted by

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the response of our community.

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People coming out, supporting the movement, people repairing the flags, postbow pride I think

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because raised that maybe we'll get an update later,

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thousands of dollars from dozens of supporters

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to fund other inclusivity efforts, their events,

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which I think is wonderful.

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And that's sort of the,

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perhaps one of the silver lines coming out of this.

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I disagree that our police department is dysfunctional.

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I think that's a ridiculous accusation.

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I disagree that Paulisville is not a welcoming community.

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It is a welcoming community.

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It's everyone who comes in and out of our borders.

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It's perfect and have a clean heart? No, unfortunately, they don't. We will continue to do what we can within our control to change that. I look forward to continue working with my colleagues on these efforts. We will, we have, we will continue. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. McVeigh. Mr. Record.

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Yes, and the end of May is always an important time of year for me.

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It's a moral day where we honor those that have given our lives for our country.

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And so coming into this week, I won't say I was on a high because we're not celebrating

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anything positive, but two weeks ago I had the honor of attending a screening over on

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Bambered Island of a film called To What Remains, this is by their biological student.

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The film was a documentary about a group called Project Recovery who goes out, finds and

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recovers the remains of MIA service members.

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This group has been active for 30 years.

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They have identified over 300 missing Americans.

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They've repatriated the remains of almost 30 to have funerals with family members who

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never met the family members that were missing.

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it and had fair funerals for that. They've identified almost another 30 and declared them

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grave sites. Then we went into Memorial Day and we had our ceremony down in front of

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the Waterfront Park, which I participated. And we honored those individuals that they'll

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come out.

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And then when we came, we had Pets Walk. It's always a great event. You know,

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You can see the dogs, it's a great ceremony, you know, costume contest.

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I'm leaving getting ready to go to the farmers market, because that's what I do in most

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Saturdays.

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And I come on the front street, and I see one of the banners, and I thought, hi, the banners

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ripped.

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I can't believe a banner ripped already.

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They've only been up a couple days.

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I know they were heavyweight vinyl, Bert and I, you know, we talked about, huh, make sure

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we got heavyweight vinyl that we last, and then I drove a little further and saw another

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another one, and another one, and another one.

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And I went to RIT because I couldn't conceive.

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That's what would have done that on purpose.

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Excuse me.

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And so I went to the farmer's market,

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pulled in and called bread.

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Of course, she already knew, and we talked,

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and we knew things were going.

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Things were already in works.

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I want folks to know what could be done

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was done as soon as it could be done.

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I know there were people who said,

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why did you immediately say something?

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Why was there not proclamations?

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Why were there not?

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Why were you didn't have a meeting?

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Know that we did what we could do

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within the bounds of once legal as quick as we could.

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If we would start calling each other and say,

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we need to do this, that is a violation of the law.

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Now we've broken law.

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So what we did is what we could do to get to this point tonight

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so that we can make a clear definition of statement that we do not, we do not, we will not

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support what happened. The person that did this is wrong, they should be prosecuted as fully

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as possible, as I'll say, because it is not the investigation. And we won't stand for it.

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Not here, not now and not ever. So, I understand folks want things to happen quick.

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I do too often, but government needs to move the speed of government.

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It's frustrating a lot.

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It's frustrating to those of us in government.

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I'd love to be able to do things quickly.

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When I first started working with the school district,

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I had school administrators that kept saying to me,

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all the time, they kept throwing out there,

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well, you can't turn an aircraft carrier fast.

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And finally, one day, I said,

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well, hey, having served on an aircraft carrier, let me tell you,

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you can absolutely turn an aircraft carrier fast.

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You just lose a few planes off the deck when you do it.

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It's called accepting the risk.

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If you choose to turn fast, you accept the risk.

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We don't turn fast because most of the time,

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there's no risk involved.

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But when the risk is high enough,

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you take the risk you do it.

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Fortunately, that's not how government works most of the time.

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So we condemn it, we're going to

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the chief will get to the bottom of it, we will keep supporting, we will support, continue

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to support other members of our community as we ought to do, and it's not, let's not

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I'm glad.

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I do want to meet two other comments that are less serious before we go on. Do you want to remind everyone the high school graduations are this weekend? So please be aware. It's always more traffic around the schools. And I did go back and watch the last meeting of the kids at regional council. And I just wanted to say that Josh and Heather did outstanding jobs, presenting to the council. And I just wanted to say good job to the two of them. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Tucker. Mr. Taper, where are you?

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Hello, everybody. I am in Skagway, Alaska, a town with a population of less than 1,500,

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but that serves over, I believe, over 20,000 tourists every single day during the season

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I'm here. Do you have any public comments this evening?

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Yeah, I just want to express a lot of gratitude for all the community members who came up and spoke each of the council members who just said some beautiful and excellent things I just 100%

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I'm just I'm just proud to be a part of this council and I got to spend my time here in Skagway at their pride celebration this weekend and this is it

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You know a town that I don't know if you can see that has the last of flag and fried flags flying

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from

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you know many corners of the of the town and

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Yeah, it's shocked to hear the news of what happened and

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It's it's it's a it's unfortunately something that's been going on a long time. Just you know light versus darkade versus love and

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And I really believe that our city is very heavily leaning towards the light.

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And I'm proud to work with everybody on this council and in the city to do the good work and to bring the light as much as we can.

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And bring the people who feel the need to do these acts into the light and make space for people who are angry or hateful and confused or untrusting.

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trusting and trying to make everyone's lives as rich as they can be.

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And I'll just end up the quote from the late great Martin Luther King Jr.

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Darkness cannot drive out darkness.

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Only light can do that.

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Hate cannot drive out hate.

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Only love can do that.

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And thank you all.

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Thank you, Mr. Taver.

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Pam, Pam texted me and she said her power went out.

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She was on the screen and there was no power.

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three strikes throughout Pam. Do you have any public comments? It was important for me to be present

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either virtually or in person. You know I do have a little one that I'm overseeing the care of

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which makes it a challenge sometimes to be in person. So Raleigh some support and I wanted to be here

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And I was saddened to see what occurred and, you know, just lighting community know that

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you are seeing.

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I love you.

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And what a beautiful remedy to who applied the application to turn something that was

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meant to be a glee mark into something I thought was beautiful.

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Some things stick together like our communities,

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stick together in strength.

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So, Ms. McKay, you have a couple of other quickings.

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You know what?

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I don't want to get lost here, how beautiful the banners are.

456
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:53,430
And to thank Britt and the designer for the design and production,

457
00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:58,470
they look fabulous and to thank our public works department

458
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:59,910
for their work hanging them.

459
00:39:00,970 --> 00:39:05,290
I watched some of those go up and they were, some of them were not easy to get on those poles.

460
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:10,250
And thank you to Mike and the public works crew for doing that.

461
00:39:11,170 --> 00:39:17,770
And then I just, I heads up during our questions and concerns of council during the workshop.

462
00:39:18,370 --> 00:39:22,990
I do want to talk a little bit about downtown safety and security going forward.

463
00:39:23,090 --> 00:39:24,430
I think that would be appropriate tonight.

464
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:25,030
Thank you.

465
00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:25,650
Thank you.

466
00:39:25,650 --> 00:39:28,530
Okay, so any more comments from the council?

467
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:33,050
Okay, how about Boarding Commission and outside agency reports?

468
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:33,930
Go ahead, Mr. Stern.

469
00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:37,290
Turning to the business of government.

470
00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:39,910
Mayer and I had a busy day yesterday.

471
00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:42,470
She had a couple more board meetings than I did.

472
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:48,490
I'm going to report on the Kitsap Regional Coordinating Council with relevant to Paul Spowe specifically.

473
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:54,350
And that was the affirmation and awarding subject to the rubber stamp of the Puget Sound

474
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:59,970
regional council so it's it's a done deal and that was our third street

475
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,980
State project for $2,062,000, and those of you who take third know what a sorry condition that is in, that is scheduled for 2027. And so that money is right now allocated for that project. Our fin hill overlay is on the other hand on the contingency list. So unless another project slips or differs, that will not be part of this particular project.

476
00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:33,480
particular, go around, I think what else is relevant mayor from the

477
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,060
Conservational Coordinating Council, they're going to be coming to our chambers and

478
00:40:38,060 --> 00:40:43,320
each of the other cities to present to us to take questions and answer so

479
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:48,360
you're not just relying on the mayor and I or one legislative dinner per year.

480
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:53,660
And I'm very proud of the mayor will be attending all of those with her hat on,

481
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,220
as President of the Pugetown Regional Council.

482
00:40:57,220 --> 00:41:01,780
which is the parent organization for our Kitsab Regional Coordinating Council.

483
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,680
So you'll be making the go-around and a company.

484
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:12,700
So that is Kitsab Regional Coordinating Council, I'll just add mayor, and we have one slide, I think,

485
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,140
from the clerk's office on bus routing for Kitsab Transit.

486
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:25,000
We had a lengthy meeting yesterday, but what's relevant and we'll see a display of the routing is Kitsab Transit has

487
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:31,460
made tremendous progress and if you can see that from one hour routes to half an hour

488
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:37,780
routes and connecting the north end and Paul's bow to Silverdale, to Bremerton, to Port

489
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:45,300
Orchard with a five minute connection at each of those bus transfer stations and that's

490
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:51,580
going to cut in half the time it takes for those who depend on public transit to access

491
00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:59,620
our communities and so that is a huge lift by the transit agency and we'll be

492
00:41:59,620 --> 00:42:03,980
implemented here shortly in addition to the Sunday service. So that's relevant

493
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:07,560
for our communities. Anything you would have from either of those two mayor

494
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:15,900
kids of transit or KRCC? KRCC it's really important that we got the money for

495
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:19,840
through to Avenue and that's kind of a it's a done deal at this point it's a two

496
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:25,660
million dollars and so we'll finally get what I call the goat path fixed up on third

497
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:33,480
so which is really good news so that's that's about it I think yeah I want to say thank

498
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:41,300
you to the VFW and the veterans for a really a couple really wonderful Memorial Day one

499
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:48,360
was at Veterans Plaza one was in downtown both of them are wonderful services and thank you

500
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,640
Thank you, Rick. I know you were deeply involved with those. God bless, Petswalk. We had dogs everywhere.

501
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,220
It was great. I got to sit with little tests on my lap. It was a little Jack Russell,

502
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,720
who belongs to my friend, Linda. So it was very, very nice. We had the fish line auction,

503
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,420
which I heard was very successful and also the great peninsula conservancy auction

504
00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:14,000
were in the last couple of weeks. So things are busy. Other regional things going on,

505
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,260
Ed talked about Kits up Regional Coordinating Council.

506
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:24,400
I was really elected to the Pugestown Regional Council Presidency, and I have one more

507
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:30,880
year, and then I'm done, I'm done, I'm done, and we had a really interesting conversation

508
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,260
from Congressman Rick Larson, and he talked about all of the money that's coming in from

509
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:40,340
the federal government throughout the state for really large highway projects, very interesting

510
00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:40,620
man.

511
00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:48,180
I also had quite a little conversation with Mayor Bruce Herald from the City of Seattle who is doing a really good job.

512
00:43:48,580 --> 00:43:51,840
He's a really, really good man and doing hard work.

513
00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:57,020
Let's see, housing kitsap had a clean audit.

514
00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:02,220
Yay, yay, that agency has been troubled on and off for many, many years.

515
00:44:02,540 --> 00:44:10,600
Spotless audit, no findings, positive cash flow, and they're really moving forward to starting to construct more affordable houses.

516
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:25,700
The health district is really diving into the recommendations from the Johns Hopkins study about health care provisioning in Kitsap County.

517
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:40,420
We had a conversation about basically hospital benefit death stroke or health benefit district which is another taxing agency in order to fund a hospital or additional medical services.

518
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:47,400
in Kitsap County. Kitsap 9-1-1, we hired a new executive director. Her contract was confirmed,

519
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:54,800
and so she is on board at least for two years, and then I think isn't that enough. I think that's it.

520
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,960
Mary, your remarks caused me to remember while Al Jolene is here.

521
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,920
And represented the Hawaiian culture and her feeling about the Pride Week. She is also the new executive director of Visit Kits App, which is a long time city recipient of lodging tax and advisory money. They're the lead for convention and tourism for the Kits App Peninsula in general. And I will be representing Paul Spowe at a special ceremony honoring the anniversary of the creation of the National Maritime

522
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:30,800
I'm Trails.

523
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,900
Kitsap was one of the first in the entire country

524
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:36,380
to have a trail that's over water,

525
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,380
which circumnavigates the Kitsap Peninsula.

526
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,340
Commissioner Rolfis will also be there.

527
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,640
And I want to thank Al Jolun

528
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,100
for the invitation to look forward

529
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:48,020
to Saturday in Port Orchard for that ceremony.

530
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:49,100
Thank you, Al Jolun.

531
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,800
Okay, I'm Mr. McVeigh and then Mr. Eckert.

532
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:53,020
And then Mr. Newell.

533
00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:54,320
Thanks, Mayor.

534
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,940
It's been a few weeks, but back on May 18th,

535
00:45:58,940 --> 00:46:01,420
to remember that, we had Viking Fest,

536
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,000
and I just want to acknowledge

537
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:04,980
Kathy Foresy is in the audience

538
00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:06,480
from Viking Fest Corporation,

539
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,420
the nonprofit organization, yay.

540
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,600
Great job.

541
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,020
It was a terrific festival this year,

542
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,140
well attended, some new events

543
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,300
that I thought were really interesting,

544
00:46:19,140 --> 00:46:22,140
and it's just a great way to always to kick off the spring.

545
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:26,460
And we all, and some of us enjoyed walking in the parade.

546
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:31,260
I think it was a great weekend, a great chance for Paul's boat to show a case.

547
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:36,280
It's self and just thanks to Kathy, the I think that I can best cooperation.

548
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,260
And everybody who participated, much appreciated.

549
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:40,940
Mr. Eckert?

550
00:46:41,780 --> 00:46:48,200
Yeah, just for the interlocal committee, we don't really meet too often.

551
00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:52,380
But I went ahead and attended the Native American Honourate Assembly last night.

552
00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:58,360
it's a qualmish, which is not just a qualmish, but it's all native students in the school

553
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:04,340
district honored. Always a great event, very, which actually the parents were a little quiet

554
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:07,860
this year. I was kind of surprised. Usually that's the best part is parents get up and talk

555
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:12,820
about each kid what they've gone through and get's real personal, but everybody was a little

556
00:47:12,820 --> 00:47:17,440
quiet last night. I'm not sure once a qualmish is having their own individual event, which

557
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:23,980
usually follows the district one and covers not just the high school students, but also college graduates.

558
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,300
Police academy, like just anyone from the tribe that's done any kind of

559
00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:37,540
education like that, but if I find out I'll pass it on and that's also a great event to it's end.

560
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:43,180
Because I said they honor each recipient, depending on what the achievement is,

561
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:47,020
some gorgeous blankets and some other gifts are given out by the tribe.

562
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,160
And then I just had a question with the hospital district.

563
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:55,060
Are they talking scope at this point yet or is it still pretty loosely?

564
00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:01,700
There's a group of volunteers that are getting together to try to craft a hospital benefit district.

565
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,720
And so far is that they're trying to do a county wide district.

566
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:12,380
I'm kind of pushing back a little bit on that because at the south end of the county

567
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:17,160
doesn't necessarily vote for that kind of stuff and it would be really horrible to go all

568
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,360
the way through the energy and effort to create something only to have it fail at the vote

569
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,460
because people don't vote to tax themselves.

570
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,220
Well, yeah.

571
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,440
So, we're having that debate.

572
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:33,620
Well, that's why I kind of wondered because the South End has access south, you know, St.

573
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:35,440
Michael is in the central area.

574
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,380
It's up here where we don't really have much.

575
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:48,200
And the folks across who can out in, you know, Jefferson County on the East, I really have nothing until you get pretty far over and then you put Angela's.

576
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:54,540
So, yeah, the effort, in my opinion, I can't speak for everybody, is really needs to be focused north.

577
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,140
No, I agree with you, but I'm kind of beating a drum that nobody's listening to, so.

578
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,360
Mr. No, do you have some comments?

579
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,020
We had just two things.

580
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:09,500
I'm continuing to engage in the North Dakota School District Facility Advisory Board.

581
00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:16,640
This is a board that's much more citizen-focused, community-focused, parent-focused, and taking

582
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,880
a look at what are the current conditions of our schools.

583
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,800
Both from a material condition is the roughly key, does the heating, air conditioning work,

584
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,100
but also from the teaching and learning environments.

585
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:34,900
We've been going over anywhere from three to four schools a night and looking at that and

586
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:44,660
Impressed by the systematic approach that's being taken this go around and for interest there will be a community meeting on

587
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,800
June 17th

588
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:52,800
Where members of the community can come in and provide their feedback as part of this process

589
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,680
I'm more to follow on that. I don't have a date and time yet, but that's coming and then last night

590
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,980
I did meet...

591
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,540
As part of the Strategic Advisory Board for the Polesville Fire Department, I was impressed by their financial plan, it was going over their 10-year financial plan, and also their capital facilities plan. They shared their process and thoughts with regards to both levies, bonds, emergency medical services, but also what is the growth coming as part of their planning process, both from facilities as we think the rolling

592
00:50:29,540 --> 00:50:34,460
things that come down the street and show up in front of our house, but also the buildings

593
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:40,320
and I know they're working closely with the city, but just was impressed by their efforts

594
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,980
to support our community.

595
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:44,320
Thank you, Mr. Null.

596
00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:48,060
And one final comment, as of today, we are 13,010.

597
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,700
That is our population.

598
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:52,960
I told Mike to go out and change the signs.

599
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,240
Okay, we haven't changed in a couple of years, but I figured that we better do it now that

600
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:57,780
we're 13.

601
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,000
We better change the signs.

602
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,380
We're 13,000 and 10 as of this morning.

603
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,160
So with that, unless anybody has any other comments,

604
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:06,360
go ahead.

605
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:07,920
Keep going, let's keep going.

606
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:09,200
OK, for an hour and a half.

607
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:10,440
Yeah, we're on hour and a half.

608
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,340
OK, so we're moving on to the consent agenda.

609
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,760
All matters listed within the consent agenda

610
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,980
have been distributed to each member of the city council

611
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:20,980
for reading and study on our considered to be routine items

612
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:23,300
A and B and I entertain a motion for approval.

613
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:28,860
Madam Chair, I move to approve consent agenda items.

614
00:51:28,860 --> 00:51:30,600
A and B, second.

615
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:32,180
We have a motion in a second.

616
00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:32,880
Any discussion?

617
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,400
Seeing or hearing none, Ms. Libdol.

618
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,000
Libdol?

619
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:39,300
Mr. Newell, aye.

620
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:41,220
Make the way, aye.

621
00:51:41,580 --> 00:51:42,140
Eckert, aye.

622
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:43,180
Crow, aye.

623
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Mr. Taver?

624
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:47,400
Okay, thank you very much.

625
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,720
I'm now on to our first business agenda item.

626
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:55,280
Budget Amendment 24-0201 and Budget Amendment 24-0215,

627
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:58,440
related to Waspant Grant for Recovery Resource Center.

628
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,420
And this is Kim Henderson, but I hear you're pitching in, Deb.

629
00:52:01,940 --> 00:52:04,520
I am pitching for Ms. Henderson.

630
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,920
Can we get a definition waspick out loud?

631
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:15,020
It's Washington Association of Sheriff's and Police Office Chiefs, thank you.

632
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:23,120
So they received a grant and Ms. Henderson brought this before the contract before you a couple of weeks ago.

633
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:35,840
And what's happened in the interim is they noticed some addition errors in the grant and so the grant actually is increased slightly from the original presentation.

634
00:52:36,180 --> 00:52:37,720
And so that is why there are two amendments.

635
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:44,120
The first amendment reflects the first approval of what council said and the second amendment is just showing the difference between those two.

636
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:48,400
And so this is funding for the Recovery Center, which has already been brought forward.

637
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:54,640
I think this is pretty straightforward, any questions regarding this?

638
00:52:55,020 --> 00:53:01,680
I was a little confused, you know, not going to find a picture right now, there was one

639
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,260
of the changes it was made, it sounded like was something about a vehicle.

640
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,600
Can we just get a little clarification on that?

641
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,960
Correct, they have received the authority to purchase the vehicle, which they will use

642
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:23,100
for the Recovery Center. They utilize the State Department of Services to get a, so they

643
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:27,780
could go to the dealer and avoid going through RFPs. And we're giving the State Price

644
00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:32,240
Contractor a picking up a new vehicle, the vehicle has to be on site before June 30th.

645
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:35,860
So they're relying on this. I'll be approved of the grant. It's paying for that vehicle.

646
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:40,180
And at the end of the program, I believe the intention is to roll that vehicle into the

647
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:45,380
police department and support the behavioral health if we are not utilizing it for the recovery

648
00:53:45,380 --> 00:53:45,700
center.

649
00:53:46,060 --> 00:53:52,880
But it is brand new vehicle to support the program and to allow for customers to be transported

650
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,780
and for the recovery center to go out and to meet with some of those customers.

651
00:53:58,100 --> 00:53:58,320
Okay.

652
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,300
That was my question.

653
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,700
I wasn't sure why we need the vehicle, I just, you know.

654
00:54:02,220 --> 00:54:02,600
Yeah.

655
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,760
And just so you notice, there's a difference in funding.

656
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:09,680
The vehicle is being paid for out of your capital funds because we cannot use the general

657
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,260
operating to purchase capital. So that's why you see a little difference in the numbers.

658
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,360
Okay. All right. Thank you.

659
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:20,100
All right. I would entertain a motion. And do we have to do these separately? Or can we just say

660
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:25,240
both budget amendments and approve of multiple approval? My thought is you can improve them all in one

661
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:30,360
motion and just incorporate both numbers. Okay. So I would entertain a motion to approve budget

662
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:37,240
amendment 24-0210 and budget amendment 24-0215.

663
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:50,240
I'll go ahead and move to approve a budget amendment 24-0210 and 24-0215 as presented

664
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,300
on the visa.

665
00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:52,540
Second.

666
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:53,480
Okay.

667
00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:54,640
We have a motion and a second.

668
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,140
Any further questions about this?

669
00:54:57,780 --> 00:54:58,600
Seeing none.

670
00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:59,880
and misleaved all the dots.

671
00:55:00,140 --> 00:55:01,780
Mr. Nuel, aye.

672
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:30,080
Mr. Taver. Okay. Thank you very much, Council. The next is Rob Park, play for all project contract award. And this looks like Josh and Jeff are Jeff, Jeff and Josh. It's a J.J. Club. Okay. Good evening. I'm going to let Jeff kick us off here. And then it's kind of a tag team as we transition into construction.

673
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,460
for Rob Park.

674
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:33,200
Oh, perfect.

675
00:55:33,340 --> 00:55:33,820
Well, thank you, Josh.

676
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:34,580
Good evening, Mayor.

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Good evening, Council and citizens.

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Just a brief highlight of where we are with the Rob Park Play for all project.

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This project is five, six years old.

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It's brainstormed by our community to build an inclusive, accessible playground for our community.

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And put it over at Rob Park, adjacent to our existing one.

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This leaves a lot to the imagination.

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So I'm going to go to the next slide right here.

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And you can see, oh, you're good.

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This is a little bit of the motion.

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So we can see that there's inclusive playground elements

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for all abilities in different ages.

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You saw this presentation a little earlier in the year.

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This is just a recap of what we're talking about

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because we don't have it modeled 3D.

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So a number of inclusive playground features.

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Our Pulse Bowl Rotary Club has been instrumental

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in raising quite a bit of funding

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to help put these into place.

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And we have a state grant, a federal grant,

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and another state grant to tie in funding

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to build this playground. We also have sensory panels and communication panels because everybody

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experiences play in a different format and a different way. Walking can be play, touching can be play,

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there are different ways to invite everybody to be here. We also have turf slides, so these are

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mounds. If you think of astral turf, these are various sizes where people can play and bounce on

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and also slide down regardless of your mobility.

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And then the turfing is an astroturf substrate.

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It's not a poor in place.

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And that was one way that we have worked

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with our consultant over the years

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to as cost went up, we value engineered.

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And so we looked at where we can reduce potential amenities

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instead of going for the top tier, go one down.

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And that helped us get into a more reasonable budget.

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We did that twice for value engineering through the process and then went out to bid.

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And with that, I'm going to hand it over to my colleague Josh Reigns.

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All right,

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so as Jeff just talked a little bit about the different funding sources, I do

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get to mention as we roll through a couple of these slides and talk about our budget amendment,

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that it's definitely a partnership with finance because they've got to manage all of those

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different grants and funding sources so there's a lot of close coordination between all of our

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departments. I also just want to give a huge shout out. You may not see how much work finance

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has to put into managing grants and the requirements and what April has to do in Josh's engineering

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department, how there's a lot of work in tracking this and it could not be done without a full support

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of the city team here. So thank you to our finance department engineering. Okay so as you can see

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on the slide here, we opened bids May 28th and we received two bids.

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Of course, we were hoping to receive more bids in this and the bids came in higher than

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what we were expecting.

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Our engineers estimate was, as Jeff mentioned, value engineered to scale things back and

725
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so we were hoping to be in the $7 to $800,000 range.

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And the two bids came in about $1.2 million, and I want to add, not only internally did we look at that, but again, we worked with our consultant and value engineer this twice, including bringing in a professional cost estimate, or you may meet, recall me presenting on this in the last year, several times, DCW to really dial this in, and still the bids came in higher than anticipated.

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So, our low bidder was WS contractors.

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And so, to look at the overall budget, we have just under $1.1 million.

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MIG is our design consultant that we use for the project.

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With the big coming in, about just under $1.2 million, our other construction cost, which

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is kind of advertising printing the topo survey of about $12,000.

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And then we have MIG's construction services that you'll see later in the agenda tonight

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for a contract amendment for the $20,000 for construction support.

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And then we have our internal staff time through the construction to support the administration of $65,000.

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and then when we include it can

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The contingency of about 10%, which is typical of construction projects, we end up with a total budget need of about $1.53 million.

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That puts us currently over our budget, almost $436,000.

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So we're here tonight for two things to award the contract, two WS contractors, as well as request a budget amendment,

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which is funded from our impact fees and

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REIT for $360,000.

741
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And this has been coordinated with our finance director.

742
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And what you'll see here at the bottom is about $76,000 with the star on it.

743
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And Jeff might be able to talk a little bit more about this.

744
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But he has some additional funding grant revenues that just have not been realized through the budget amendment process.

745
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And those will be coming back to you in the future to fill that gap.

746
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And I'll speak, thank you, Josh, and I'll speak a little bit about that 75,000.

747
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We have additional funding that we have found to roughly make that up.

748
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And in the past, we recognized grant revenue coming in and that we wouldn't increase expenses.

749
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Because again, we valued engineered the budget so we weren't going to recognize an increase in expenses.

750
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as it was going to offset what the city would have to owe.

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Some of this additional revenue coming in

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is going to come in and pay for those expenses.

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So the budget amendment that you will see

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will recognize sources in and sources out.

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And you'll have that, likely in July,

756
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just how this is a wonky meeting scheduled at the moment.

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So I will mention as we go through construction,

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we will continue to look for ways to expedite construction,

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save cost.

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cost.

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Oh yeah, go ahead. And what you're not seeing, oh, maybe the next slide shows

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it, Josh.

763
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Okay. What Josh is talking about, about working with our finance director

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and looking at the RE ones, and she could speak a little bit more about this, of that 360.

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We're also moving around a few of our impact fees for some future parks projects. That's

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the urban past and trails. And so not putting that into effect this year, next year, so taking

767
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30,000 out of that while we evaluate because that's it's been an ongoing we spread that 45 or

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for three years so we're going to pull out of that. We did take a look at what other impact

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these we can move from other projects but to pull the full amount from there would be it would

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impact every project on the CIP for parks and so we were thankful to have a discussion with

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finance director about REIT ones and I don't know if there's questions I'm sure we can have those

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answered as well. Josh, did you have other comments?

773
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Thank you, Mayor. So you anticipate my question. Having been at the nexus of this project

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with the rotary club, I recall Paul and Deborah some six years ago, this came to us as a

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community initiative. And a very good one, but a community initiative outside of our own

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CIP and Parks and Prioritization and a great deal of community fundraising went into this.

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There was a legislative appropriation and we have carried this on behalf of the community

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and incorporated it into our city priorities.

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My concern being, we also had our own well-developed long-term parks programs that involve many

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neighborhoods and organizations, that the impact and pushback that you begin to reference

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whether it's the urban pass or others, can you expand a little bit more what's going to be deferred,

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pushback, or otherwise curtailed?

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Half a million dollars is a lot of money.

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So, I'm happy to explain how that 360 is.

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$330 would come from the REIT 1s, REIT 1.

786
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And Deb, is this a good time for you to jump in and talk about that, and then I'll talk about where the 30,000 will come from the park impact fees.

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So the REIT, real estate excite tax is what's generated from the home sales, comes in two

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quarter percent.

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The first quarter percent can be utilized for projects on the CIP, which are transportation

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and general and nature, general purpose.

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The second quarter percent can only be used for transportation projects, and that's been

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pretty much driven towards Noel Road right now, and it also has been utilized to make debt

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payments.

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The first quarter percent, we've been using to make the city hall debt payments.

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But as we've tracked REITs monthly, we've realized the revenue is much higher than projected

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and we've built a substantial fund balance in there.

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And so we felt that this project has been on the CIP for several years now and that is

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the best place to go.

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so it won't impact the park projects because we're not utilizing parks.

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And as we look at the REAPS long term, we know we had been building those reserves, and it may impact maybe how we fund future debt issues. But we have been coming in substantially higher than our budgets, and we built over a million dollars in reserves in that. So when we looked at the funding pieces to make this go forward into capture the bid as is, that's where we felt the best place to go was.

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And to clarify, make sure I'm correct, of that 360, 330 is RE-1, and 30 is park impact fees.

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But those park impact fees are 15,000 for this year, 15 for next year, and 15 for the following year.

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And that is the urban paths and trails funding component.

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And you may recall, it has been a $45,000 block as one, and it's been shuffled year to year.

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And so we're just removing this year and next year from that.

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I will mention that the impact is we council approved ongoing funding of $6,000 for our parks coordinator to work with volunteers to improve our parks.

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So it's not stopping our improvement plans to our trails at all right now by shift-chuffling this.

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Yeah, just to some kind of get in the weeds. Sorry.

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from standpoint of taking a look at who or the potential builders can do you

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know off the top of your head how many primes actually pulled drawings and

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actually we're looking at this project I think we had about seven signed up

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okay and how many it went through the walkthrough one only one attempt of the

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walkthrough was WS construct contractors the one that did the walkthrough they

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They were not, but I did forget to mention earlier that WS contractors has done work for the city.

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They actually did the little boardwalk for fish park here a couple years ago right off of a bond road there.

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In our RFP, did we specify a period of performance?

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IE, when did it need to be done?

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We did, we gave them your testimony memories.

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I think it was 70 working days.

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And what was the estimate from the standpoint of when we wanted them to start construction?

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We wanted them to start construction in the end of June, okay.

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So I guess just General Feedback Council and Mayor, this type of stuff everybody wants

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done in the summer because the big buyers of this are not just parks but they're also school

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districts and school districts don't want any construction on their property and so I understand

825
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And it sounds like we have the funding and I'm not suggesting we make a change, but it would be warranted, especially as we look towards the perk, other things to open up the period of performance and get the turf and any playground equipment period performance, give them latitude, get them off the summers.

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We will get much more favorable pricing if we're not asking it to be done when over that you got a window of July and August

827
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Everybody wants the same thing done. And so that you were paying up. I personally believe we're paying a price premium over what the

828
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Estimate was because of the time that you've just a little bit you gave me Josh. I think that's what's going on

829
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Josh and I were talking today just today about timing of bids and putting things out because

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because I happen to agree with you.

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We have to be very clever about when we issue our requests

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because for exactly the what kind of stuff

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that you're talking about, we didn't do it this time

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and we learned something here.

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And so I agree with you when we go out

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for like the Nordic cottages, et cetera,

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we're going to be much more strategic,

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I think is the best way to put it.

839
01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:57,300
Yeah, and there's always the danger of frustrating

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the bidding, the proposers, if you decide to pull back on a procurement, but it's not

841
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beyond our scope to say, hey, you know what, you're way off the estimate.

842
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We need to regroup, we don't have the funding, we need to take a different approach to this

843
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and it doesn't mean Jeff another round of value engineering.

844
01:09:19,820 --> 01:09:24,280
I think there's other things going on that's driving the cross and the reality is that,

845
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:31,220
Okay, we can fund it, but that's 350 or $400,000, it's not going to something else that could benefit our community.

846
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So I'm...

847
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,900
Okay, Gary, and then Rick.

848
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Thanks, ma'am.

849
01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:39,540
I have some real concerns about this.

850
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:44,240
I've had some concerns, other points in this process.

851
01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:52,580
I appreciate Josh and Jeff and others that have worked on the value engineering.

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01:09:52,580 --> 01:09:59,700
I know we've made some reductions, you know. I know this project was started by a small group in Rotary.

853
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And I sort of sit here feeling like we're kind of, to some extent, left, holding the bag a little bit. So I'm not happy. Where we're at with it. And I'm wondering what our options are. Can we, can we find some other reductions to try to get this down to a more reasonable level? Because to Doug's point, I'm really concerned about the other things that we're not going to be able to do with the money that's going to go into this.

854
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:39,110
Good point Gary, and I agree does right, I can't tell you how many times I asked the

855
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question on the school board of is the extraction going to happen during the school year, can

856
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we push it to when the kids aren't there? Because I was always concerned about the safety

857
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aspect of what outside contractors are we bringing on to our school grounds to work when kids

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are there. So I was that person always pushing it to the summer, pushing it to the spring

859
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during breaks, pushing it outside when the kids were present.

860
01:11:01,130 --> 01:11:03,270
So, yeah, when we're doing a project,

861
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where they're not competitive pool.

862
01:11:05,710 --> 01:11:06,770
Yeah, we definitely want to look.

863
01:11:07,050 --> 01:11:08,190
Can you go back on slide?

864
01:11:08,830 --> 01:11:12,570
I had a question, this amount says,

865
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and it's only $20,000, but it says $15,30,

866
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or 1.5, 30, but the agenda item says $15,50.

867
01:11:23,470 --> 01:11:24,830
So, I just wanted to clarify what,

868
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:31,350
If this is the slides correct or the agenda items correct, but I said it's only 20 to 20 thousand out of different.

869
01:11:31,690 --> 01:11:39,150
But for the total, the total, yeah, the totals are different between the agenda item and the total in the slide would be correct.

870
01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:48,270
We were quick, quickly updating our total project budget with our finance director this afternoon to make sure we had all our numbers on the slide correct.

871
01:11:48,270 --> 01:11:55,210
Okay. So the total is 1, 1,538, what's on the slide, correct?

872
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Correct. It's not the 1,550.

873
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So we'll need that for the motion just to make sure we get the numbers right.

874
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And then just in general, I mean, I agree there's concerns that the project is the cost keeps changing and we've

875
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already cut back what it's going to tail. But I do overall I think this is a good, we talk about being

876
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welcoming, diverse, and equitable for all people to access, well, this is a slice of our community that we've not done a lot for, and so having this part, this playground for the kids who need this kind of playground equipment and that member of that part of the community, I think in the idea of wanting to be sure that we are serving the entire community, I think we need to, we need to find a way to make this work.

877
01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:49,710
Okay. Any other questions from the council? So would you please go ahead.

878
01:12:51,310 --> 01:12:56,930
Josh, back to the seven people that pulled the drives. Did you? You haven't, how do I

879
01:12:57,510 --> 01:13:01,590
say this is simply, have you called any of them and asked them why they didn't bid?

880
01:13:02,890 --> 01:13:05,070
No, we have not. Okay. Thanks. Yeah.

881
01:13:08,650 --> 01:13:14,630
What was your question? So my question is, I was posing, is there anything else that we

882
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:20,730
We can conceivably take out of this project to try to get the cost down to a more manageable level beyond what we already have.

883
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:29,230
So as far as reducing elements, I think maybe there's a couple things that we can look at during construction.

884
01:13:29,950 --> 01:13:32,910
We would not be able to eliminate it at this time.

885
01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:41,530
We would have to accept the contract as it is and then go through a change order process with the contractor to potentially eliminate some work.

886
01:13:42,530 --> 01:14:11,510
I will say that Jeff and I did have a conversation about the magnitude of the cost and while I recognize and agree with Doug, I think that we're largely here because of the timing of the bid, we are, we're working to a priority for this project, we were working to try to meet some grant obligations and so it's not super uncommon to unfortunately be in the situation as hard as we work to try to avoid.

887
01:14:11,530 --> 01:14:18,330
avoid being in the situation, we will be in the same situation when we go to bid here in the next month

888
01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:24,650
and a half or no road. It's not the ideal timing, but we are tied to a grant funding deadline.

889
01:14:24,850 --> 01:14:31,910
So, we do have some grant applications, but Jeff might have a little bit more information on some flexibility on our grant.

890
01:14:32,150 --> 01:14:35,790
If it was determined to push this project off another year.

891
01:14:35,790 --> 01:14:40,850
We want to provide all the information we possibly can, the Council, so you can make an informed decision.

892
01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:47,550
The reason, as Josh is stating why this is likely so high and Council Member Newell mentioned it, is the timing.

893
01:14:47,970 --> 01:14:59,490
If you recall the previous updates we've been providing for over a year, this was a tight timeline to get too bid at the beginning of this year when contractors are looking for summer work.

894
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,260
Well, the number of hiccups that had to be solved, this is the most gentle way to phrase that. And that took time until we were ready to actually get out to bid. And when we went out to bid, that happened to be now in May as opposed to January or February. So we really have other contractors, the general contractors are committed to other projects. What could happen, but there is a risk, is this could be pushed to

895
01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:32,660
end of this year, beginning of next year.

896
01:15:33,340 --> 01:15:38,000
That would give us potentially more favorable bids coming in

897
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,260
to rebuild the process without reducing scope,

898
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:41,580
without removing more elements.

899
01:15:42,220 --> 01:15:45,220
It is valued engineered as much as it's going to be.

900
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,540
We're good at squeezing money from rocks,

901
01:15:47,540 --> 01:15:49,620
we can't squeeze much more from this project.

902
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,560
But the risk is, look at the last six years

903
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,580
before I was here, this project has only gone up and cost.

904
01:15:57,580 --> 01:15:59,540
It has only encountered more delays.

905
01:16:00,220 --> 01:16:02,080
It is a six-year project that we have.

906
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:07,600
The city has signed on, but Councilmember Stern did talk about this as a community-driven

907
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:12,080
project, and they are looking to the city to deliver this project.

908
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:21,400
So if we do decide if Council provides direction to the mayor that we should go re-bid this next

909
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,600
year, prices could go up, we could be in the same scenario or worse.

910
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,460
And then two, we're under some pretty tight grant deadlines.

911
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,480
We've already extended some of these grants from 2019-2020.

912
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,440
We have grants that have been ongoing for ages and they understand these challenges.

913
01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:44,280
We can work to get those done, but there's no guarantee that it will be challenging.

914
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:53,860
Yeah, I would pose to the rest of the council that consider rather than trying to remove anything else on the project or delay it further.

915
01:16:55,440 --> 01:17:10,580
We understand it's expensive now, but what we do is we highly encourage these two highly skilled individuals in front of us to engage their grant writing skills and Jeff's sponsorship skills.

916
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:22,160
And maybe we see if as we go forward, there's a way to cover some more of the costs from that way, rather than we dig into this project even more, or we push it off and run those risks.

917
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:32,600
I think there's a way potentially to get sponsors or see if there's other grants and that's a safer route than risking the grants we've already got.

918
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:40,920
I would recommend the council that we move forward now, and I know this is painful, but as I said, this has been going on for six years.

919
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:47,940
We've made commitments to rotary, we've taken how much, how many, how many dollars does has rotary given us?

920
01:17:47,940 --> 01:17:48,560
Over 100.

921
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:49,160
Yeah.

922
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:50,880
100,000 dollars worth of donations.

923
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:57,880
So I think we need to move forward now with the caveat that you guys will negotiate back with

924
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,860
change orders to try to reduce the price.

925
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:01,100
Is that possible?

926
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,940
I mean, in other words, at the end of the day, we'll approve it for 1.5.

927
01:18:06,580 --> 01:18:10,040
At the end of the day, you can kind of come back to us and say, hey, we're heroes.

928
01:18:10,180 --> 01:18:11,380
It really only costs this.

929
01:18:12,060 --> 01:18:12,860
Is that possible?

930
01:18:12,860 --> 01:18:19,540
It is possible, we can't just negotiate the price as it sits.

931
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:27,000
We can negotiate a change of scope, removing something, reducing something.

932
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:34,580
Those are things that we can negotiate, but as the project sits, we cannot renegotiate

933
01:18:34,580 --> 01:18:35,060
the price.

934
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:37,720
And we renegotiate the time of construction.

935
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:50,420
We have the ability to give them the flexibility, yes, that could be something that we could entertain with the contractor if we give them some flexibility.

936
01:18:51,120 --> 01:19:03,460
Would there be some credit if it's, I'm going to presume that if the contractor bid on it, they bid on it because they have the availability in their schedule to do it.

937
01:19:03,460 --> 01:19:11,460
So, they're going to be motivated to do it this summer versus push it off, but I think it's something that could be pursued.

938
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:12,100
Okay.

939
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:24,660
I think we've talked this to death, I think it's decision time, and these two motion things are, we don't normally do it this way, and this is the second one like this.

940
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:30,160
I would rather have one concise motion, but is there two different motions here that they have to do?

941
01:19:34,180 --> 01:19:42,400
No, you don't, but when we were talking about this, it was the preference of both Jeff and Josh in their department to keep them separate, so we knew what we were approving.

942
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,100
But you can't combine them absolutely.

943
01:19:44,260 --> 01:19:49,920
Okay, so, and the numbers are wrong, so what is the number of the first motion is 1.190?

944
01:19:50,580 --> 01:19:52,820
I mean, are these correct numbers on here?

945
01:19:54,060 --> 01:19:55,300
On the slides?

946
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,560
Yes, they are. And it should match the agenda that you have.

947
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:11,480
Yeah, that's the total bid amount. Okay. All right. So here's the sample motions. Now council, you're in the hot seat. It's your time to make the decision. And so what do you want to do here?

948
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:17,810
Okay.

949
01:20:22,970 --> 01:20:39,710
You want me to? Yeah. I need a motion at least. Or if you guys don't want to do this, then I don't like to go off. Look, I'm not good at winging it. Can I just read it as it? Read it. Read what's on on the screen. Okay.

950
01:20:39,710 --> 01:21:01,750
Okay. Okay. I mean, I've got it here too. So, okay. I move to approve the contract award to WS Contractors LLC in the amount of $1,190,080.26 in authorize the mayor to sign the contract on behalf of the city and move to authorize the mayor to sign change orders up to 10% of the contract value.

951
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:09,550
Additionally, I move to approve a budget amendment number 24, tax 0, 2, 1, 6 in the amount

952
01:21:09,550 --> 01:21:16,210
of $360,000 funded from REIT and PARC impact fees to provide additional funding to construct

953
01:21:16,210 --> 01:21:16,790
this project.

954
01:21:18,190 --> 01:21:18,430
Okay.

955
01:21:18,930 --> 01:21:19,750
I'll second.

956
01:21:20,110 --> 01:21:20,310
Okay.

957
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:21,830
So we have a motion in a second.

958
01:21:22,430 --> 01:21:23,330
This is a tough one.

959
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:27,170
I noticed a sticker shock, but this has been in our loop for six years.

960
01:21:27,870 --> 01:21:29,830
Six years we've been working on this.

961
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:44,570
So, I advocate that we move forward, we have the funding, we have the money, and I would hope that we might be able to find some savings as we move forward and change orders.

962
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:47,030
Okay, that's my plea.

963
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:54,450
Yeah, I just I so the math and the motions does add up to the one five five zero zero eight zero twenty six

964
01:21:54,450 --> 01:22:00,590
So that does not match your slides. So just to be clear the amount of what the in the motion is the

965
01:22:01,610 --> 01:22:03,550
That is what we're voting on so

966
01:22:05,330 --> 01:22:12,370
Yes, was the motion correct the motion is correct that what what Rick is referring to is the overall budget

967
01:22:12,370 --> 01:22:16,410
But we're only here for two items tonight, which is approving the contract and

968
01:22:16,410 --> 01:22:17,250
the budget amendment.

969
01:22:17,730 --> 01:22:21,670
The contract, a value of $1.1 million on the screen is correct.

970
01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:25,050
The amount for the budget amendment is correct.

971
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:26,210
Okay, all right,

972
01:22:28,510 --> 01:22:30,030
okay, so we have a motion in second.

973
01:22:30,430 --> 01:22:31,450
Any further discussion?

974
01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:44,450
Just, I need to say, Mayor, this is a very difficult pill to swallow after some 25 years of finance committee meeting twice a month and

975
01:22:44,450 --> 01:22:49,250
reviewing things and making recommendations, the opportunity to work with staff,

976
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:51,630
tweet things as problems arise.

977
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:58,110
This is an alpha omega moment where we're faced with a problem and asked make a decision

978
01:22:58,110 --> 01:22:59,810
all in the same evening.

979
01:23:00,270 --> 01:23:07,910
And that doesn't afford one, a lot of opportunity to examine and do due diligence.

980
01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:12,150
On the other hand, I'm a longtime member of the Rotary Club and I understand their passion.

981
01:23:12,150 --> 01:23:41,090
I'm probably going to vote for this, but I do want to say this, this harkens to me of the larger question of dealing with one off special projects, special needs, outside of our budget sequence, that period of time from September to December when all projects are put on the table, all personnel, all needs, and we prioritize and take it as a whole. This is kind of a one off, and it's very difficult for me.

982
01:23:45,650 --> 01:23:53,470
I have voted for this along the way I'm going to vote for it tonight but I would ask that

983
01:23:53,470 --> 01:23:57,930
we go back to the rotary club and see if they would be willing to help us a little bit

984
01:23:57,930 --> 01:24:04,110
more with this since that is where the idea generated from and they seem committed to it.

985
01:24:04,730 --> 01:24:08,070
I think that would be very helpful and build some good will.

986
01:24:08,430 --> 01:24:08,710
Thank you.

987
01:24:08,710 --> 01:24:10,010
I'm going to say one more thing.

988
01:24:10,170 --> 01:24:14,670
This is the last time I'm going to get hooked in with a rotary project like this.

989
01:24:15,230 --> 01:24:18,030
I had some real heartburn with this as well.

990
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:21,690
But we've been working on it for six years, okay?

991
01:24:22,010 --> 01:24:29,010
And so I think that if you want to throw away six years worth of staff work, you say no.

992
01:24:30,150 --> 01:24:32,510
But honestly, I think we need to move it forward.

993
01:24:32,510 --> 01:24:38,410
I think you're the third Parks and Rec Director that's worked on this project and you know

994
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:41,290
The Rotary gave us a hundred thousand dollars

995
01:24:42,450 --> 01:24:48,490
So I think we need to move this forward and we value engineer at the best we can after the contracts let and

996
01:24:49,090 --> 01:24:50,650
Either that or so we're done

997
01:24:51,770 --> 01:24:54,330
Okay, this doesn't go through we're done, okay?

998
01:24:54,330 --> 01:24:59,890
I'm you know, we can't have staff working round and round and round and round and round and round and

999
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,940
I never get anywhere with this. And I want to reiterate, this is a playground unlike any we have in the city. So this serves the need of a part of our community that is not being served currently. So I agree. It's expensive. But we can try to, we can try to mitigate that later. As Debbie pointed out, this is coming from a fund where there's money we didn't expect to have. So, you know, I want to serve the needs of this community.

1000
01:25:29,940 --> 01:25:33,520
like we are trying to serve the needs of the rest of our community, and you're right,

1001
01:25:33,660 --> 01:25:37,020
we've been throwing away a lot of work, but I'm more concerned with the end result

1002
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:45,860
than the past work. I want to give those kids a place to play. So, you know, if I

1003
01:25:45,860 --> 01:25:49,420
got to stand next year's Viking fast with a can, ask them for donations for the

1004
01:25:49,420 --> 01:25:54,820
park, I'll do it, but we got to give these kids a place to play. Okay. Let's call the

1005
01:25:54,820 --> 01:25:58,020
question. The question has been called Ms. Libdol.

1006
01:25:58,260 --> 01:26:00,000
Libdol I. Mr. Stern.

1007
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,700
Stern I. Mr. Null.

1008
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,820
Null no. Mr. McVeigh.

1009
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:08,640
McVeigh I.

1010
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:10,180
Eckerd I.

1011
01:26:10,740 --> 01:26:12,280
Mr. Crow I.

1012
01:26:13,180 --> 01:26:14,540
Mr. Tabor are you there?

1013
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:16,520
Yep, Tabor I.

1014
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:19,400
Okay, so that's six to one.

1015
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,620
Thank you very much and you know what?

1016
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,520
We need to be very careful when we get sucked into

1017
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,720
these projects like this and I can say this because

1018
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,200
and blame myself because I was the only one.

1019
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:31,080
Both of these guys weren't working on it.

1020
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,180
They just inherited it, okay?

1021
01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:35,460
So thank you very much, appreciate it.

1022
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:36,480
Thank you, Council.

1023
01:26:36,780 --> 01:26:37,100
Thank you, Council.

1024
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:40,840
Okay, so now we're moving on to the Johnson Ridge Final Plan.

1025
01:26:41,060 --> 01:26:41,940
This is Mr. Bateman.

1026
01:26:50,660 --> 01:26:52,580
Good evening, Madame Mayor, again, Council.

1027
01:26:52,740 --> 01:26:53,440
Good to see you all.

1028
01:26:54,780 --> 01:26:58,060
We're gonna shift gears to a little easier subject

1029
01:26:58,060 --> 01:26:58,720
for you here.

1030
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,500
This is, it's been quite some time.

1031
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:11,720
Since you guys have seen a final flat, we've got a bunch of projects moving forward so you're going to see projects coming forward more often from here on out.

1032
01:27:13,060 --> 01:27:22,400
I'm going to remind you a little bit as Joyce pulling up the slides here how the subdivision process goes.

1033
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:28,560
It goes through a rather rigorous application and approval process through planning department and engineering.

1034
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,720
we go through and make sure that they follow all of our rules and codes.

1035
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:40,100
And in the end, after coming through Planning Commission and the city's hearing examiner,

1036
01:27:40,380 --> 01:27:46,540
it is determined as a point of law that they have met the law and

1037
01:27:46,540 --> 01:27:51,520
the code standards hearing examiner, gives a decision and gives a decision that includes

1038
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:56,120
a whole set of conditions of approval from both Planning and Engineering, public works as well.

1039
01:27:57,480 --> 01:28:24,700
and they then develop a set of construction drawings for approval, we approve the construction drawings, they go out, they construct the project, and at the end of construction, they come forward here to you to City Council for what's called final plat approval, and that when that is recorded, the final plat drawings are recorded with the county, that is what takes it from one big lot to all the individual lots that can then subsequently be have home constructed on them.

1040
01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:42,440
So your role tonight is to review our work in showing you that they have met every one of the conditions of approval as given and are ready to move on to the next process to get final plata approval from you guys and go on to home construction.

1041
01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:47,920
And I'll tell you that this is as many projects, all projects have a lot of challenges.

1042
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:56,940
And especially as we move to more challenging areas of polls, but the low hanging fruit was picked some time ago.

1043
01:28:57,620 --> 01:29:05,840
And the remaining projects have a lot of work to do to get through the approval process and continue to have a lot of work to do in construction.

1044
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:14,160
Things come up as normal. And we have a couple of fellows here from CPH Consultants that worked very hard on this project, want to acknowledge them.

1045
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:18,720
The knowledge of hard work, they have been fantastic partners as this project came through.

1046
01:29:19,420 --> 01:29:25,480
They worked hard during the design and approval process to work through issues and new

1047
01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:28,000
items that come up as we work through new parts of our code.

1048
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:33,180
And then during construction, they worked very hard with us as wonderful partners to get

1049
01:29:33,180 --> 01:29:36,460
through construction challenges and actually get to this point of final part of approval.

1050
01:29:36,620 --> 01:29:40,000
So we're all very proud of this project getting to this point.

1051
01:29:40,820 --> 01:29:50,800
So here we have Johnson Ridge Final Platt, it's a 13.74 acre parcel. Part of that, the kind of

1052
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:57,200
swoopy part on the top there is out of that parcel because we purchased that and we purchased that

1053
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,320
area to construct Johnson Parkway.

1054
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,580
Josh is a fantastic project that won awards, right? The remaining remaining parcel went through the subdivision process and, and, good.

1055
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:29,980
Came up with this design. We have, we have 61 single family lots. They're going to be building homes. The construction of the home builder is not going to be the current owner of this project. This is project is, as

1056
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:33,680
normal, you know, moving from one order to another as they move into the home

1057
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:38,460
construction. That's fairly, fairly standard for flats. And that home builder's

1058
01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:44,620
going to be building homes ranging between 22 19 and 27 41 square feet on on the

1059
01:30:44,620 --> 01:30:47,780
lots that are there. These lots are beautiful. I don't know if you've had a chance

1060
01:30:47,780 --> 01:30:51,540
to walk out there and look, but they're going to have some great views. These are

1061
01:30:51,540 --> 01:30:55,480
going to be nice homes. They're providing new city roads with the connection

1062
01:30:55,480 --> 01:31:00,260
connection out to Johnson Parkway in two places and a future connection to the South as always.

1063
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,280
You know, we provide future connections to adjacent parcels.

1064
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:16,300
It didn't have a whole lot of frontage improvements to Duke because we've already done them with our project and they're going to be connecting down to our new Johnson Parkway around about.

1065
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,020
Did you want to talk to Joy or you keep going?

1066
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:30,420
Okay. They have done as normal for all of our projects. They've constructed water sewer

1067
01:31:30,420 --> 01:31:35,180
storm. The normal features the little inset there shows you you know kind of how busy the

1068
01:31:35,180 --> 01:31:41,480
streets are with with infrastructure showing water sewer storm all all the normal stuff there.

1069
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:49,120
They've got over two acres of open space recreational amenities landscaping and you may notice

1070
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,340
just that some of these photos are updated from what went in your package.

1071
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:59,020
These guys have been working very hard to have this project be a really nice looking project

1072
01:31:59,020 --> 01:32:03,800
as we get here to final flat and so Joy went out and took some more recent photos to show

1073
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:08,440
off their hard work and you can see that the basketball hoop is striped and they've got

1074
01:32:09,140 --> 01:32:14,020
good plantings there and done nice landscaping along the parkway and have their park in good

1075
01:32:14,020 --> 01:32:14,360
shape.

1076
01:32:17,380 --> 01:32:25,520
They've got, this is the first project that is taking advantage of a section of code that is new-ish to some of us.

1077
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:32,760
It's been in place for a little while, that allows a project to propose an amenity on a stormwater vault when we've got a vault.

1078
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:43,500
I know many of you and older council members have had to express many times in the past that you'd like us to move away from having vaults that just had a big bunch of gravel on top.

1079
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:50,080
an ugly flat spot, work through the challenges with that, with our team here, the engineering

1080
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:55,460
team on the developer side, and our public works team as well to make sure that we could

1081
01:32:55,460 --> 01:33:01,240
figure out how to get an amenity on the vault with still maintaining the access the public

1082
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:07,020
works needs to properly maintain our infrastructure, not only just on a regular basis, but on an

1083
01:33:07,020 --> 01:33:07,740
emergency basis.

1084
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,500
You know, when things go wrong, they go wrong at a rough time, right?

1085
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:13,920
So those guys need to be able to get in there and do what they need to when they need to.

1086
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:28,200
And there is an agreement that was part of your package that's part of that work to develop the ability to do that that went through our city attorney's office and had been approved by them.

1087
01:33:28,780 --> 01:33:32,920
Joy's showing us here some of the work that they went through as they were working on the project.

1088
01:33:33,980 --> 01:33:37,900
I'd like to point out that the nice scroll work on the vault there,

1089
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:41,360
this project had a vault that has a lot of exposed face

1090
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:46,520
and planning department worked really hard with them to mitigate that amount of flat space

1091
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:50,380
and have some texture to it as well as plantings in front.

1092
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:54,420
They've teared some walls and put some plantings in front that will grow up over time

1093
01:33:54,420 --> 01:34:00,040
and have it be a much nicer looking than it would have been had it just been a

1094
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:04,880
big flat ugly space. So we like to acknowledge our planning is hard work. Nicole

1095
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,520
especially worked very hard on that as did the team here from CPA age.

1096
01:34:12,140 --> 01:34:12,900
As you

1097
01:34:12,900 --> 01:34:16,740
have seen in your package there's a we went through a pretty extensive review

1098
01:34:16,740 --> 01:34:22,380
process showing you that they have conformed with our PMC chapter. All the

1099
01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:24,760
conditions of approval were met properly.

1100
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,120
They've provided maintenance bonds as required.

1101
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:32,800
They provide performance bonds as required for the landscaping.

1102
01:34:32,900 --> 01:34:35,780
The agreement has been completed, reviewed.

1103
01:34:36,340 --> 01:34:41,120
This is going to be the template that we use to move forward.

1104
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:43,960
I think you'll see this in some future plots as well.

1105
01:34:45,420 --> 01:34:50,140
The future plot of plateau at on the south end of Ikeing

1106
01:34:50,140 --> 01:34:54,440
is probably going to propose some of their needs on the vault I would expect, and we may

1107
01:34:54,440 --> 01:34:59,860
see that with Audrey as well, so this will become more common.

1108
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:28,700
And I think is appropriate for what we want in the city. And I'd like to thank Mike and his team also for, you know, being open-minded and working hard to come up with solutions that we can have something really nice like this and still be able to perform their work. And we'll learn from each one. And as a former mentor said, we'll make new mistakes next time instead of repeating old ones. So if we have made any, if we have some lessons to be learned,

1109
01:35:28,700 --> 01:35:35,360
We'll learn him and carry him forward, but so far this project is turned out great and we're very happy with it and

1110
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,280
City engineer and his team

1111
01:35:38,180 --> 01:35:44,240
Recommends approval of this final plat and the public storm drainage easement and I apologize for bringing you a two-step

1112
01:35:44,900 --> 01:35:45,420
approval

1113
01:35:45,980 --> 01:35:53,060
Motion again as as you had the last time we were advised by the clerk that it would be best if this was a

1114
01:35:53,060 --> 01:35:57,020
Two separate motions. I think it would be fine to combine them as Brit did

1115
01:35:57,020 --> 01:36:00,960
and read them all at the same time into one motion,

1116
01:36:01,060 --> 01:36:04,000
but we did want to have it be one piece.

1117
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,360
And at this point, I think I'll ask,

1118
01:36:07,500 --> 01:36:09,260
if you guys have any questions for us.

1119
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,080
Mr. Dull and then Mr. Stern.

1120
01:36:12,900 --> 01:36:16,840
Yeah, just quickly is having driven through there

1121
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,540
and seeing all this seems like there's a lot of effort

1122
01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:22,020
gone through before we get to a final approval on this

1123
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:22,460
standpoint.

1124
01:36:22,820 --> 01:36:26,660
Is the timing of this being kind of a new guy up here?

1125
01:36:26,660 --> 01:36:33,140
Is this typical that the contractor has made all these investments before we've given

1126
01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:34,440
final approval on the plaque?

1127
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,780
This is the way the state law has set up.

1128
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:40,760
This is the only option.

1129
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,300
There is no other option.

1130
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:43,020
Okay.

1131
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:44,820
It seems kind of...

1132
01:36:44,820 --> 01:36:44,940
Yeah.

1133
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:52,080
There's the development team and the ownership team put a significant amount of work and financial

1134
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,580
effort up front before they ever get to do anything.

1135
01:36:54,580 --> 01:36:58,620
And so as you can imagine, these folks are anxious to get going on building homes.

1136
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:00,600
Mr. Stry.

1137
01:37:01,220 --> 01:37:08,860
May I just want to compliment your staff specifically, Mr. Bayman, for an excellent presentation of a complex project, succinct and very clear.

1138
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:14,480
Well, I got to thank you, but I got to tell you, the presentation was done by my wonderful colleague Joy here.

1139
01:37:14,620 --> 01:37:17,440
I just took advantage of her hard work and presented it to you.

1140
01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:21,180
Mr. Acre.

1141
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:25,320
Yeah, I drove through there last night, actually, my way back from Sequoia Mission.

1142
01:37:25,780 --> 01:37:29,840
Yeah, it does look good, and you see, yeah, the amenities are already there.

1143
01:37:30,500 --> 01:37:34,080
And this might be more of a question for the builder when they come along.

1144
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:39,660
But the size of the house, you just said, intended 24 to 42, so would you just say?

1145
01:37:40,900 --> 01:37:41,260
2227.

1146
01:37:41,940 --> 01:37:42,260
Oh, twice.

1147
01:37:42,380 --> 01:37:42,600
Okay.

1148
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:43,900
We can go back to that side, if you want.

1149
01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:46,160
Well, I was just thinking those lots didn't look that huge.

1150
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:50,660
So I was thinking coverage percentage, that sounds like they're going to be right up against

1151
01:37:50,660 --> 01:37:57,960
the mass. Yeah. Yeah. The lots range from about 4,000 to 6,500 square feet. Okay. Yeah.

1152
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:03,260
But it sounds like the intent is that me pretty much pushed the limit on lot coverage. Yeah.

1153
01:38:03,480 --> 01:38:09,460
And I think the reality of construction these days is that's what it takes to make these projects

1154
01:38:09,460 --> 01:38:17,140
viable because they put so much work into the dirt work. You saw how much over time how much

1155
01:38:17,140 --> 01:38:18,140
was moved on this project.

1156
01:38:18,140 --> 01:38:20,420
It looks good and the pictures don't really do justice

1157
01:38:20,420 --> 01:38:21,400
to when you drive through.

1158
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:25,440
It's not as deep property between those roads.

1159
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:27,920
It seems like it looks like it is on the pictures.

1160
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,420
You drive through it and it's just right there.

1161
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:32,840
But yeah, I mean the work that was done

1162
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,300
already looks great, but I think the builders

1163
01:38:36,300 --> 01:38:39,140
are gonna have some challenges in their own.

1164
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,720
Oh yeah, so we will work through it with them as usual.

1165
01:38:42,540 --> 01:38:46,420
I think the signs say right now it's 27 to 3300 square feet

1166
01:38:46,420 --> 01:38:50,920
are the houses, and they've got the signs back up that says they're going to be basements.

1167
01:38:52,740 --> 01:38:54,680
So, you know, maybe they've switched back.

1168
01:38:55,060 --> 01:38:58,860
They were for a while going to be basements, and then they were going to be not basements,

1169
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:00,680
and now the signs say they're going to be basements.

1170
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:02,540
Well, they're definitely not going to have a lot of yard to move.

1171
01:39:02,860 --> 01:39:03,220
Who knows?

1172
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:04,080
For the bridge.

1173
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:05,120
No, no.

1174
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:06,600
Okay, just ready to make a motion.

1175
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:12,460
Just, Michael, the builder is Century Homes, is that right?

1176
01:39:12,460 --> 01:39:16,000
and they've done other projects in our community.

1177
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:16,380
They have?

1178
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:17,680
Yep, and they've been good partners.

1179
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,700
And the folks that are working there, we've worked with many times.

1180
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:23,000
And we're familiar with them.

1181
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:28,480
They've been a good team to work with.

1182
01:39:29,380 --> 01:39:30,940
OK, who wants to make the motion?

1183
01:39:32,260 --> 01:39:32,440
OK.

1184
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:34,600
That's good.

1185
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,120
Madam Chair, I move to approve the final plot of Johnson Ridge

1186
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:43,420
and authorize the mayor to sign on behalf of the city the public storm drainage

1187
01:39:43,420 --> 01:39:50,860
easement agreement for the stormwater bolts. Second okay we have a motion and

1188
01:39:50,860 --> 01:39:55,980
a second all right any other questions. I'm sorry I think what we're red it's not

1189
01:39:55,980 --> 01:39:59,380
exactly what's on the screen here. I said I could combine them.

1190
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:16,240
I think that, I think that motion will be fine for us. Okay, because we just left out and authorized the mayor to sign on behalf of the city. Does that in there? Yep. Yep. She got that. Just didn't say move to approve twice. I said it once. All right. So we have a motion. Is there a second?

1191
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:29,640
Pam second, motion is second. Any further questions? I have a comment. I walk through the subdivision every day with my dog. I want to thank you for doing the extra landscaping. I want to thank you for the six foot fence.

1192
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:35,440
by the storm plan. I didn't want any kids following off of it. There's some work that has to

1193
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:39,960
be done. Michael, you and I are going to have a long conversation about rock walls. Okay,

1194
01:40:40,180 --> 01:40:44,600
before this is completed, but I want to thank you very much for the hard work. Okay. Motion in

1195
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:50,320
second. It is a nice fence. It is a nice fence. It's six feet. I was worried about kids on the storm

1196
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,640
upon. Miss lived all, lived all aye.

1197
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:54,680
Sir, aye.

1198
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:55,780
No, aye.

1199
01:40:56,220 --> 01:40:56,740
McVeigh, aye.

1200
01:40:57,260 --> 01:40:57,720
Eckert, aye.

1201
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:58,680
Crow, aye.

1202
01:40:58,960 --> 01:40:59,460
Mr. Taver.

1203
01:41:00,340 --> 01:41:00,960
Thank you.

1204
01:41:01,540 --> 01:41:02,640
Thank you very much.

1205
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:03,620
Thank you, Mayor and Council.

1206
01:41:04,100 --> 01:41:04,260
Good luck.

1207
01:41:04,260 --> 01:41:05,300
Great to see you guys tonight.

1208
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:05,880
It's been a while.

1209
01:41:06,380 --> 01:41:06,520
Okay.

1210
01:41:06,940 --> 01:41:11,880
And with that, we are going into a meeting break for how much?

1211
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:12,760
How much time?

1212
01:41:13,020 --> 01:41:13,520
15 minutes.

1213
01:41:14,020 --> 01:41:15,360
10 minutes.

1214
01:41:15,860 --> 01:41:16,400
10 minutes.

1215
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:24,720
So we will re-establish here at about 6.55, a little over 10.

1216
01:41:25,340 --> 01:41:26,140
Thanks, Bob.

1217
01:41:26,740 --> 01:41:27,200
Yes, I know.

1218
01:57:04,210 --> 01:57:34,190
Go ahead and restart the meeting, so if you want to turn the recorder on and be a cat if you're still here. The first thing on our workshop agenda is department head comments. So who wants to go? I'll go ahead and start mayor. Just want to give a brief update on the investigation that is going on regarding the vandalism to the pride flags. We do have a very active investigation underway. We did solicit information from the community. We're still hoping that we can get

1219
01:57:34,190 --> 01:57:37,830
yet further information, any tips or video,

1220
01:57:38,490 --> 01:57:40,770
we're also actively looking for those things.

1221
01:57:41,610 --> 01:57:44,690
And I did have a conversation with Chad Inwright,

1222
01:57:44,990 --> 01:57:48,130
Kitsap County Prosecure regarding the elements of the crime

1223
01:57:48,130 --> 01:57:52,730
and our parameters for following this as a hate crime.

1224
01:57:53,390 --> 01:57:56,890
And we'll work with them hand in hand as we develop evidence,

1225
01:57:57,350 --> 01:58:01,390
and as we uncover more detail as the case develops

1226
01:58:01,390 --> 01:58:03,630
if we're able to charge this as a hate crime.

1227
01:58:03,630 --> 01:58:04,570
and we absolutely will.

1228
01:58:05,590 --> 01:58:08,270
Another thing I was going to ask Council

1229
01:58:08,270 --> 01:58:11,790
if you would mark the date, June 24th,

1230
01:58:11,950 --> 01:58:15,670
the week of June 24th, the Court,

1231
01:58:16,230 --> 01:58:19,270
the Recovery Resource Center and Paul's Bo Police,

1232
01:58:20,350 --> 01:58:22,630
are showcasing all of our services

1233
01:58:23,190 --> 01:58:27,650
that we provide the city and are inviting Council

1234
01:58:27,650 --> 01:58:31,070
during that week to take part in a series of events

1235
01:58:31,070 --> 01:58:36,970
Where you'll be able to come in, find out more about each of those departments, ask questions,

1236
01:58:37,810 --> 01:58:41,290
sign up for different segments of instruction.

1237
01:58:42,170 --> 01:58:48,130
The way we're going to do this so that we can avoid creating a quorum is we're going to send you all an email

1238
01:58:48,130 --> 01:58:54,550
with a full schedule of all the events that occur during that week so that you can see what you're able to attend

1239
01:58:54,930 --> 01:58:57,470
and who's already attending or who's already signed up.

1240
01:58:57,470 --> 01:59:02,290
So, we've got it pretty organized, we should be sending that out early next week.

1241
01:59:03,630 --> 01:59:08,150
The other thing that I just wanted to highlight is that we have been working for several

1242
01:59:08,150 --> 01:59:12,690
months with crime stoppers in relation to our homicide case.

1243
01:59:13,930 --> 01:59:20,090
And they have been working very closely with the family of Nicholas Sarah to raise more

1244
01:59:20,090 --> 01:59:24,450
of a reward than the typical that has offered through crime stoppers.

1245
01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:27,310
that reward is up to $15,000.

1246
01:59:28,410 --> 01:59:31,550
On Friday, there will be a film crew here

1247
01:59:32,210 --> 01:59:36,510
from David Rose's Spotlight program

1248
01:59:36,510 --> 01:59:40,010
to help us promote the Crime Stopper

1249
01:59:40,010 --> 01:59:43,290
reward as well as do a segment on Nicholas Sarah.

1250
01:59:44,250 --> 01:59:47,090
So we will be producing that on Friday.

1251
01:59:47,590 --> 01:59:50,290
It should be on Fox 13, Friday evening,

1252
01:59:50,530 --> 01:59:53,670
and in the following week, a story about Nicholas

1253
01:59:53,670 --> 01:59:58,110
and his family will be aired on Spotlight, which I believe is also on 13.

1254
01:59:58,770 --> 01:59:59,690
Just for your awareness.

1255
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,380
We know that that's coming. Thank you. Chief, with the crime stopper, I understand the reasoning why, but the sign that they put up there, Fin Hill, does seem to potentially obstruct people's view when they're trying to turn. Is there a better, could we? I know that location has meaning to the crime, but if there's a safer place to put that, that can be looked at. Every time I come off that road, I have a little concern about that.

1256
02:00:29,380 --> 02:00:35,900
Yeah, I think you're talking about the case that's actually the State Patrol's case from the time I three was the crime stopper sign.

1257
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:44,040
It's up there in Fintail. So if you were talking to crime stoppers, yeah, just I worry every time I come through that that someone's going

1258
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:49,220
to have an obstructed view and we're going to end up with something else happening there because of that sign.

1259
02:00:49,220 --> 02:00:50,060
All right, so, gotcha.

1260
02:00:52,400 --> 02:01:05,120
Chief, we had a citizen during citizen comments who made at least one allegation about some video of the pride banner

1261
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:11,820
to face meant being available in our police department has not done anything to track it down.

1262
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,540
Is there anything to light you can shed on that just to put it to bed?

1263
02:01:15,540 --> 02:01:21,900
But yeah, we're soliciting all the businesses downtown to share a video with us if they have it.

1264
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:29,880
So we've got a detective assigned to this case that's soliciting that from the business owners directly.

1265
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:32,080
Absolutely.

1266
02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:35,140
Can I just go ahead?

1267
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:43,200
This is a little bit tangential, but I want the public to know that I sent an email to a couple council members and

1268
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:52,580
to chief regarding the event that's being hosted by the NAACP on June 15th, Monday 5-7

1269
02:01:52,580 --> 02:01:52,900
PM.

1270
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:59,440
I'm going to be going, if there is anybody available from the police department, I think

1271
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:00,560
that would be really beneficial.

1272
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:04,600
I've already signed up and forwarded it on to command staff, so we'll have some other people

1273
02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:05,080
there as well.

1274
02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:05,680
Thank you.

1275
02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:10,240
Oh, did I say it's on Monday.

1276
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:12,920
I think maybe June 17th.

1277
02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:15,000
17, maybe?

1278
02:02:15,460 --> 02:02:15,580
Yeah.

1279
02:02:15,860 --> 02:02:16,040
Sorry.

1280
02:02:16,260 --> 02:02:16,600
17.

1281
02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:17,200
Yes.

1282
02:02:18,780 --> 02:02:19,660
Thank you.

1283
02:02:19,860 --> 02:02:20,080
Thank you.

1284
02:02:20,300 --> 02:02:20,840
Go ahead.

1285
02:02:21,620 --> 02:02:25,060
I just want to update you a little bit on the B&O tax and where we were at.

1286
02:02:25,340 --> 02:02:27,500
We sent out almost 4,000 postcards.

1287
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,560
I have received several returned in the mail.

1288
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:33,900
So we're going to find out businesses that are no longer located in the city

1289
02:02:33,900 --> 02:02:35,640
that was still listed on the state system.

1290
02:02:36,180 --> 02:02:39,180
I am building several phone calls and emails almost daily.

1291
02:02:39,180 --> 02:02:43,860
So people are getting the information and asking the questions and coming back to us and

1292
02:02:43,860 --> 02:02:47,900
just not forgetting that this is a brand new tax for the city and we are learning as well.

1293
02:02:48,180 --> 02:02:52,940
So we are reading ordinances and rules and I'm reaching out to our partners, cities who

1294
02:02:52,940 --> 02:02:57,440
have, you know, to help answer the questions if I'm not fully understanding them and making

1295
02:02:57,440 --> 02:03:01,180
sure we're not giving incorrect answers but don't forget that we are learning along with

1296
02:03:01,180 --> 02:03:01,860
everybody else.

1297
02:03:02,220 --> 02:03:07,220
The software that the file local is developing for online filing, they are now good to go

1298
02:03:07,220 --> 02:03:12,000
after we approved that contract, they are developing it, it will be released probably

1299
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:17,060
not to the city until the middle of August for us to start testing and then it won't

1300
02:03:17,060 --> 02:03:21,980
be available to the public until September. We are in the process of hiring our employee

1301
02:03:21,980 --> 02:03:26,960
and once they come on board we will be doing some public outreach and scheduling, some workshops

1302
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:32,780
probably in city hall or through Zoom to help filers who may not where the applications

1303
02:03:32,780 --> 02:03:37,140
might not be similar to follow but I'm hoping the applications when we see an online

1304
02:03:37,140 --> 02:03:40,360
and it's a user-friendly and fairly easy to file.

1305
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:43,560
I think where we get confused is when we start paying taxes

1306
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:46,280
to other jurisdictions and the activities taking place.

1307
02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:47,960
So we're all getting on board with that.

1308
02:03:48,380 --> 02:03:49,580
But we are trying to do our best.

1309
02:03:49,780 --> 02:03:52,380
And so people are becoming aware, and you can pass the word on.

1310
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:55,340
Some not so happy and some very understanding.

1311
02:03:55,740 --> 02:03:57,120
And so we're just moving forward.

1312
02:04:00,200 --> 02:04:00,780
Thank you, Mayor.

1313
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:03,860
So it's already June.

1314
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:06,840
I have to understand that we're approaching, finally,

1315
02:04:07,080 --> 02:04:09,320
pretty good handle on carry forward.

1316
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:14,600
and balances. When might the council be informed of such? Do you have that on your schedule, Debbie?

1317
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:21,440
It is on tonight's agenda, and I will be the last item on, and it will be a very late night for you. That's why we're feeding you.

1318
02:04:23,140 --> 02:04:32,260
Hey, Deb, thank you for engaging me. It's one of your citizens asking you questions about the B&O tax. I'll just say that, you know, having walked through it.

1319
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:41,080
Even though we had a healthy discussion, there's enough unknowns that what information needs

1320
02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:46,220
to be collected starting in one July, I don't have to file a October, but I have to start

1321
02:04:46,220 --> 02:04:49,500
putting things in certain pieces to be able to do that finally.

1322
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:55,500
I eat business inside city limits, commissions for sale of a house outside, how do we break

1323
02:04:55,500 --> 02:04:59,720
call this up. I'm glad you're going to have workshop.

1324
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,520
I think we've got a steep road to climb in this standpoint to get understanding. The other piece of this, in just talking to the CPI, they didn't, we weren't aware yet of it. And we need, we should strongly consider, I would recommend that for businesses under maybe $100,000 in annual business that we looked maybe not do quarterly filing. My quarterly amount would be $40 to $50.

1325
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:36,240
dollars, and my accountant's going to charge me $100 to file it, if that's the kind of, because of it.

1326
02:05:36,660 --> 02:05:41,440
So, learning curve debt, I just, none of this is new.

1327
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:46,520
I'm just sharing this with the council, is that there is a burden on us to come up to speed, and

1328
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:48,880
there's a burden to maintain over time.

1329
02:05:49,260 --> 02:05:52,740
And I just think we need to be flexible as we try to figure this out together.

1330
02:05:52,740 --> 02:05:55,820
And that's the intention is to be flexible.

1331
02:05:56,040 --> 02:06:01,240
The ordinance was written that it was either monthly, annually, or quarterly filings.

1332
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:04,000
So we have that capacity to change that.

1333
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:09,700
The forms are being set up and the intention of quarterly because that's what most filers

1334
02:06:09,700 --> 02:06:10,100
will say.

1335
02:06:10,460 --> 02:06:14,300
Yeah, most filers, most filers will file quarterly, but the ordinance was written.

1336
02:06:14,620 --> 02:06:19,380
And we are going to set up some factors where it's easy to file annually.

1337
02:06:19,380 --> 02:06:24,340
When we talked about it at council, that's what we had said as well is it might be more

1338
02:06:24,340 --> 02:06:28,060
beneficial to filers, to file annual, because they are paying that fee.

1339
02:06:28,380 --> 02:06:32,540
Not only your paying just $38, you're going to pay a $4 online filing fee, plus your credit

1340
02:06:32,540 --> 02:06:33,000
card fee.

1341
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:37,300
So we are going to either set some parameter limits if your income is below a certain threshold

1342
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:42,120
or above a certain threshold and sometimes just by request only in granting those.

1343
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:46,920
So I have been taking note because I have requests that said I would prefer to file annually.

1344
02:06:46,920 --> 02:06:51,740
So I'm gathering all those and then we'll set up the criteria and it might be just through an application process

1345
02:06:51,740 --> 02:06:56,360
But I'm a little short-handed in my department right now, so we're trying to get as much done as we can

1346
02:06:57,580 --> 02:07:00,420
Understand that I just yeah, but we're you've got

1347
02:07:00,940 --> 02:07:07,420
4,000 people trying to figure this out. Yeah, absolutely, and we're all short-handed in the space because none of us have and

1348
02:07:07,420 --> 02:07:11,460
That's why I'm taking phone calls and emails daily and trying to answer as quickly as possible

1349
02:07:11,460 --> 02:07:17,960
If you're a business owner in the Washington state, you're used to feeling in these forms because you feel them out for the state of Washington.

1350
02:07:18,620 --> 02:07:19,680
And so-

1351
02:07:19,680 --> 02:07:20,660
Yeah, annually.

1352
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:23,160
I feel mine out, annually, and it's pretty easy.

1353
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:23,740
And pretty straight.

1354
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:28,760
This came out quarterly, and it's got a calculation to it, business insights to the limits and not.

1355
02:07:29,140 --> 02:07:32,540
So there's additional data that needs to be collected that we're not used to collecting.

1356
02:07:32,680 --> 02:07:32,880
Okay.

1357
02:07:33,180 --> 02:07:34,740
As individual LLCs.

1358
02:07:34,740 --> 02:07:41,500
Whether it be as a consultant or as a realtor, there is stuff that's different that we haven't

1359
02:07:41,500 --> 02:07:42,100
seen before.

1360
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:42,880
I'm just sharing.

1361
02:07:43,320 --> 02:07:43,500
All right.

1362
02:07:43,900 --> 02:07:46,400
I used to kind of do this kind of stuff for the outlet.

1363
02:07:46,660 --> 02:07:47,120
That's right.

1364
02:07:47,300 --> 02:07:47,460
Okay.

1365
02:07:48,540 --> 02:07:49,120
Who's next?

1366
02:07:50,340 --> 02:07:54,860
Just so you know, if you're not aware Heather is out of the office until June 20th.

1367
02:07:55,140 --> 02:08:00,800
So if you have any director-level questions or concerns for some odd reasons, you put

1368
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:01,280
me in charge.

1369
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:12,220
So go ahead and direct those to me and then also I just want to make a plug because it's construction season and we're reviewing quite a few projects there's lots of rumors lots of narrative about projects.

1370
02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:31,040
Please direct anyone to contact our staff directly we're happy to answer any questions we have all the information in the world we're very transparent about ongoing construction projects for development and highly recommend that anyone who's interested to sign up for our monthly newsletter because we put all of that information in there.

1371
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:34,660
So I'm really grateful that you're filling in.

1372
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:35,780
That's cool.

1373
02:08:36,860 --> 02:08:38,600
With Heather being on for a couple of weeks.

1374
02:08:38,780 --> 02:08:42,060
So this is our interim planning director while she's gone.

1375
02:08:42,340 --> 02:08:43,260
So thank you.

1376
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:44,240
Go ahead.

1377
02:08:44,500 --> 02:08:45,020
Okay.

1378
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:49,400
So just really quick to tag on to what Nicole was saying.

1379
02:08:49,460 --> 02:08:52,800
So I think everybody's aware Oslo has started this week.

1380
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:56,340
They're at the corner of a 305 and Viking,

1381
02:08:56,480 --> 02:09:00,280
the large multi family development that's going on there.

1382
02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:12,940
So Heather and Nicole in the planning department did a great job and put together a very great website about that project in particular about some of the facts about it in the history.

1383
02:09:13,580 --> 02:09:22,820
So if there's any questions because I know that we've already received some recommend going to that website that's available on our city's website to check out that project.

1384
02:09:24,180 --> 02:09:31,400
I also wanted to mention that the Nordic cottages, so just a reminder, we opened bids on Monday, so that'll be exciting.

1385
02:09:33,140 --> 02:09:47,000
And then of interest, we did just recently get a request from the Eliasin Development here at the end of Front Street and Third to close the sidewalk in front of their building as part of their improvements.

1386
02:09:47,480 --> 02:09:49,440
We knew that it would happen at some point.

1387
02:09:50,080 --> 02:09:59,360
So the request that they put in for pedestrian traffic control is to close the sidewalk along the front of their building starting next week.

1388
02:10:02,180 --> 02:10:26,160
So we will have them place quite a bit of signage in D2 or for the pedestrian to the other side of the street at appropriate crossings. And I know you guys are aware. The Evanna Heimer project is supposed to start up here any time. So we're working with both developers to make sure that we're coordinating because a sidewalk or pedestrian route must remain open at all times through there.

1389
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:30,240
So that will be something that will be ongoing through the summer.

1390
02:10:32,360 --> 02:10:32,980
Thanks, Josh.

1391
02:10:33,580 --> 02:10:33,820
Good.

1392
02:10:36,810 --> 02:10:41,010
I had a pleasure to attend the grape and insulin conservancy and also fish line gallows.

1393
02:10:41,210 --> 02:10:43,270
And there's some potential partnerships with GPC.

1394
02:10:43,970 --> 02:10:48,830
City was recognized by fish line for our partnerships with the Recreation for All Program and outreach

1395
02:10:48,830 --> 02:10:53,010
over at the Rec Center and a number of our initiatives, so very thankful to those organizations.

1396
02:10:54,170 --> 02:10:58,930
If you didn't have a chance to attend it on May 29th, we did our first National Senior Health

1397
02:11:00,190 --> 02:11:05,530
I'm pretty darn good attendants too, and got some great feedback, so we're going to continue that going forth.

1398
02:11:05,930 --> 02:11:09,170
That had three fitness classes, educational classes and courses.

1399
02:11:10,210 --> 02:11:13,370
And then, also just wanted to give a shout out to Public Works,

1400
02:11:14,050 --> 02:11:17,830
Polesville Rotary Club and our Fire Department for the AED.

1401
02:11:18,050 --> 02:11:20,430
So those are now installed at four of our parks.

1402
02:11:20,770 --> 02:11:25,690
And we've already received, we've been, Rotary let me know, a community member reached out and said,

1403
02:11:25,690 --> 02:11:33,310
Thank you. This is going to save lives. And that was within days, just want to say thanks to public works and those organizations for what they've done.

1404
02:11:33,930 --> 02:11:43,990
And lastly, you may have noticed, but the sign came down. When I say the sign, it's the one of our community banner signs on 305 between Viking and Bond.

1405
02:11:44,630 --> 02:11:54,010
So we're very thankful for public works for taking a look at that. We're putting some improvements into place. And I found out that carpenter ants made that quite dangerous.

1406
02:11:54,010 --> 02:11:58,470
So that came down that day for a safety concern, and we're working at replacing it.

1407
02:11:58,810 --> 02:12:05,190
So you may not see some advertising on the two highway banners for this month while they get upgraded, just as a heads up.

1408
02:12:06,430 --> 02:12:09,850
Oh, and everybody's busy with grants, so it's grant season right now, in case you're wondering.

1409
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:11,170
Go ahead.

1410
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:12,910
Thanks, thanks, Jeff.

1411
02:12:14,350 --> 02:12:20,730
Anything new on the indoor pickleball facility that made the presentation to us,

1412
02:12:20,730 --> 02:12:26,590
and sounds like it's in the private sector is going to take care of that.

1413
02:12:27,210 --> 02:12:28,810
Mayor, do you want me to share updates?

1414
02:12:28,990 --> 02:12:30,690
Okay. Great. And thank you, Council Member.

1415
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:36,210
We've been keeping things fairly low. There was a conversation with those enemies

1416
02:12:36,210 --> 02:12:40,710
after the presentation of a private party that I'm not going to name, but a private business came

1417
02:12:40,710 --> 02:12:44,630
in and expressed interest in actually moving into the office max space.

1418
02:12:45,070 --> 02:12:49,830
So that is a private business that would then renovate it and open up indoor pickable

1419
02:12:49,830 --> 02:12:55,750
facility. It is, government should be complete peating with private businesses, so we took

1420
02:12:55,750 --> 02:13:00,670
a big step back from this and said, all right, take, you know, if this works out, great,

1421
02:13:00,990 --> 02:13:06,610
but cities here to entertain discussions on feasibility if this doesn't work out. What we heard

1422
02:13:06,610 --> 02:13:15,350
from Clay Roberts, who presented to Council, is those discussions are moving forth right now

1423
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:20,210
with that private entity, and it looks quite likely, that's as much detail as I, as the

1424
02:13:20,210 --> 02:13:22,010
mayor and I have from those updates.

1425
02:13:22,290 --> 02:13:29,170
And that's recent as about a week or so ago, two weeks, two weeks ago, that entity did

1426
02:13:29,170 --> 02:13:30,050
update their website.

1427
02:13:30,250 --> 02:13:33,770
So they are planning on doing something there, and we should hear about it.

1428
02:13:34,350 --> 02:13:39,750
In the meantime, Councilmember, we are working with our local pickable group to just improve

1429
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:40,810
our certain courts.

1430
02:13:40,930 --> 02:13:44,490
We haven't touched a rob, we haven't touched a lion's, but we are pressure washing and striping

1431
02:13:44,490 --> 02:13:47,890
the Rec Center. So we're starting there and then you'll hear about more community outreach soon.

1432
02:13:48,230 --> 02:13:50,290
So we're taking care of our own parks at the moment.

1433
02:14:02,410 --> 02:14:05,070
Just real quick I just want to let everybody know

1434
02:14:05,070 --> 02:14:11,770
and everybody that's watching on June 19th the holiday the parking garage will be closed. We're

1435
02:14:11,770 --> 02:14:15,710
going to be doing some meetings down there restriping it and changing out the lights to LEDs. So

1436
02:14:15,710 --> 02:14:19,670
anybody in town that likes to come and park down there they won't have the opportunity.

1437
02:14:20,890 --> 02:14:31,390
Also, just a heads up, June 1st was when Gambit recovery officially took over the maintenance

1438
02:14:31,390 --> 02:14:36,630
duties at Nelson Park, so they're in there, they're going now, I believe it's only the

1439
02:14:36,630 --> 02:14:41,610
one guy in there right now named Alex, very nice guy, I don't think they've gotten any

1440
02:14:41,610 --> 02:14:47,490
residents in there yet, but we're looking forward to seeing how that goes, so that's it.

1441
02:14:47,490 --> 02:14:54,250
All right. Thanks, Mike. You want to talk about your road ceiling and the fact that

1442
02:14:54,250 --> 02:14:58,430
next week. Oh, is that next week? Okay. Update on neighborhood streets next week.

1443
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,920
But the bucket truck should be here tomorrow.

1444
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:29,980
I'd like to tighten really quick on Josh's report about the bid opening for Nordic cottages. Just so you know, we have filled out our application to go with the State Treasures Office in their debt issue. And so we are filling out the application. We will be coming forward counsel for approval to submit that. We are waiting for the final price from the cottages to come in. So you will see that on a future agenda. But that is how we intend to fund those receiving a lower interest rate through the

1445
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:34,460
state and not utilizing internal funds and that way it avoids some of the timing issues

1446
02:15:34,460 --> 02:15:44,020
we're having with the collaborating on all into one issue okay anybody anybody else okay

1447
02:15:44,820 --> 02:15:53,920
questions and concerns the council yeah I had a couple I guess mayor no just just one

1448
02:15:53,920 --> 02:16:00,320
right now as I mentioned earlier I just thought you know I know I have a full agenda tonight

1449
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:04,640
So I don't want to take too much time for this, but I just wanted to sort of tee up a conversation about

1450
02:16:05,660 --> 02:16:07,720
improving downtown safety and security

1451
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:12,680
beyond the pride banner

1452
02:16:13,620 --> 02:16:17,300
defacing. I know the mayor has mentioned to me at least the one or two

1453
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:20,640
assaults that have taken place downtown where we

1454
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:24,200
some security camera footage would have been very helpful

1455
02:16:24,700 --> 02:16:26,680
in solving those crimes.

1456
02:16:28,520 --> 02:16:34,000
The mirror and I talked a little bit about, you know, what might that look like if we could try to add some more cameras downtown.

1457
02:16:34,640 --> 02:16:37,960
I think we need to, of course, consult with the city attorney.

1458
02:16:38,500 --> 02:16:42,620
There is some potential, you know, legal issues involved there.

1459
02:16:42,980 --> 02:16:48,100
We could get a challenge from some groups over it if the city were to own the cameras.

1460
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:52,600
But I'm wondering, you know, I think we need to have a conversation about it.

1461
02:16:52,600 --> 02:17:19,360
So I guess I just wanted to see if my colleagues are also interested in that conversation and if we should put it on a workshop agenda for the next one to two weeks upcoming meetings, it seems to me at a minimum, there are some things perhaps we could do to encourage more of the private business owners down to put in security cameras that we could access if having city owned cameras is going to be a potential legal issue, but I think we do need to look into that.

1462
02:17:19,360 --> 02:17:26,420
So I just know I think that we need people to feel safer than they do down there right now in some cases

1463
02:17:28,200 --> 02:17:37,500
and busy summer season coming up and so we might be asked the mayor to work with the police department to come in with some recommendations for council to consider.

1464
02:17:37,860 --> 02:17:43,600
I'm not sure the best way to approach it, but I wanted to raise the issue and see how we best might further the discussion.

1465
02:17:46,390 --> 02:17:47,390
Rick's next, and then you,

1466
02:17:49,430 --> 02:17:50,730
okay. Are you responding to it yet?

1467
02:17:50,810 --> 02:17:56,330
Yeah, I was just comparing with Gary and that there's, you know, in conversation with

1468
02:17:56,330 --> 02:18:01,870
officer Black over the weekend, he specifically mentioned that it would be really helpful to have

1469
02:18:01,870 --> 02:18:06,390
a few well-placed cameras, and it's not just about the pride flags, you know, we've heard

1470
02:18:06,390 --> 02:18:12,370
about these assaults. There are, I work on that, you know, what we call dysfunction junction.

1471
02:18:12,370 --> 02:18:16,870
and the four-way stop, there's many near misses

1472
02:18:18,090 --> 02:18:19,670
of pedestrian versus car.

1473
02:18:20,470 --> 02:18:22,290
There's just a lot going on down there

1474
02:18:22,290 --> 02:18:23,550
and of all the time.

1475
02:18:24,030 --> 02:18:26,250
So, I understand some of the challenges

1476
02:18:26,250 --> 02:18:28,710
that go along with it, but I would like to have

1477
02:18:28,710 --> 02:18:29,670
a conversation as well.

1478
02:18:32,290 --> 02:18:34,710
Yeah, and I would just say one thing we need to make sure

1479
02:18:34,710 --> 02:18:36,790
we're going into it is are we looking for prevention

1480
02:18:37,350 --> 02:18:40,250
or prosecution, you know, what's the goal of the cameras?

1481
02:18:40,250 --> 02:18:44,370
because it's very different if you're looking for somebody to be able to respond

1482
02:18:44,370 --> 02:18:48,770
real-time based on what they see on that. That's manning for chief. So first

1483
02:18:48,770 --> 02:18:54,910
watching a camera after the fact to prosecute. I had one big thing I needed to

1484
02:18:54,910 --> 02:18:59,810
bring up. I mentioned the 19th. You know, we were all invited down to

1485
02:18:59,810 --> 02:19:04,270
Bremerton for the Juneteenth Observance. There was some confusion on the

1486
02:19:04,270 --> 02:19:09,030
emails of what the actual day was. So I reached out and asked for clarification.

1487
02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:14,730
it is the Saturday before which is the 15th and I know we were sending a

1488
02:19:14,730 --> 02:19:19,630
proclamation down. I did indicate that I was planning to attend and so I was

1489
02:19:19,630 --> 02:19:25,630
asked if I was going to read the proclamation. So what I let the organizer know

1490
02:19:25,630 --> 02:19:29,430
is that she get tentatively penciled me in until I had a chance to run it by all

1491
02:19:29,430 --> 02:19:33,470
of you before I volunteered to speak on our behalf without getting head

1492
02:19:33,470 --> 02:19:34,670
and odds to say yes.

1493
02:19:35,430 --> 02:19:39,130
So I'm aware of that date and conflicting with AWC

1494
02:19:39,130 --> 02:19:40,550
on the actual holiday.

1495
02:19:41,730 --> 02:19:44,870
That's also the date of the rotary Viking tour

1496
02:19:44,870 --> 02:19:46,670
in Bruthess, and I plan to skip that,

1497
02:19:46,850 --> 02:19:49,550
and I will be at Evergreen Park to support you.

1498
02:19:50,250 --> 02:19:51,810
Yeah, so I'm definitely gonna go.

1499
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:55,270
I just, if the council's okay with,

1500
02:19:55,990 --> 02:19:58,490
we're planning to send down the proclamation,

1501
02:19:58,490 --> 02:19:59,790
but as far as reading it.

1502
02:19:59,790 --> 02:19:59,970
Thank you.

1503
02:20:00,050 --> 02:20:02,090
That's fine. Sounds good. Okay.

1504
02:20:04,430 --> 02:20:30,030
Okay. Yeah, it's as long as one of us is willing. I just need to let her know. I didn't want to speak on our behalf without. And then speaking of the conference, I caught me off guard. So I don't know if you're real notice, but the last day of the conference, there is a separate registration event for a presentation by FEMA on the national incident management system, which with our discussion of an emergency manager seem pretty good.

1505
02:20:30,030 --> 02:20:34,270
timely so I don't know if anyone else that's going or even just wants to come

1506
02:20:34,270 --> 02:20:40,390
down for that was interested but it does require a separate registration so you

1507
02:20:40,390 --> 02:20:46,090
have to let see clerk know it was pretty quick they registered me but it was

1508
02:20:46,090 --> 02:20:51,130
in obvious they said when they registered us originally so they did have to

1509
02:20:51,130 --> 02:20:55,430
reach back out so if you wanted to attend that last day it's pretty much the

1510
02:20:55,430 --> 02:21:04,270
whole of the morning of the 19th about the National Incident Management System, which

1511
02:21:04,270 --> 02:21:08,530
is something like Doug brought up on your time to discuss it before about trading certain

1512
02:21:08,530 --> 02:21:10,930
levels, and he and I have both had some of this trading before.

1513
02:21:12,590 --> 02:21:15,350
And then the last one is I was just going to put a plug in.

1514
02:21:16,470 --> 02:21:21,630
Josh mentioned Oslo's starting and some Mara and Elmoth says those trees start to come down

1515
02:21:21,630 --> 02:21:28,870
if that will be any further push we can use to have a meeting of the 307 committee on

1516
02:21:28,870 --> 02:21:35,590
road because you know I've already heard folks talking worried about traffic that development

1517
02:21:35,590 --> 02:21:41,750
will increase but maybe that's the impetus we need to get the county and the state to

1518
02:21:41,750 --> 02:21:47,010
do something with to make that intersection or even a bypass happen certainly something

1519
02:21:47,010 --> 02:21:51,510
to do better on bond roads so if we can at least get the committee to meet and start

1520
02:21:51,510 --> 02:21:57,150
having conversations about how to make that better, maybe Oslo would be the starting point.

1521
02:21:57,890 --> 02:22:02,710
And Mayor, I think Josh mentioned that some of the mitigation was improvements on

1522
02:22:02,710 --> 02:22:04,130
the 305 corridor.

1523
02:22:06,210 --> 02:22:09,410
I'd appreciate if he'd just give me a synopsis of what those are because people

1524
02:22:09,410 --> 02:22:15,950
are going to be asking so we can say here's what is part of the project. It'd be helpful, Josh. Thanks.

1525
02:22:16,950 --> 02:22:24,590
Yes, so primarily what they're doing is upgrading the controllers to the signals along 305 so

1526
02:22:24,590 --> 02:22:30,450
that they can talk to each other and be a little bit better timed so that is supposed

1527
02:22:30,450 --> 02:22:34,750
to mitigate their impact and delays at those intersections.

1528
02:22:35,490 --> 02:22:40,010
So that will happen before they get a certificate of occupancy.

1529
02:22:40,010 --> 02:22:44,390
So before anybody can move in there, they're required to complete those improvements on 305.

1530
02:22:47,470 --> 02:22:52,410
Okay, and anybody else, Doug, do you have any comments to see, or comments to see evening at all?

1531
02:22:52,890 --> 02:22:53,710
Anybody? No?

1532
02:22:56,840 --> 02:23:03,260
I barely can hear you there, bud. No, okay. I'm going to make a comment on the cameras.

1533
02:23:03,260 --> 02:23:08,600
I've told this to Brit. Maybe I'm a child of the 60s and the 70s, but I get a little nervous with

1534
02:23:08,600 --> 02:23:15,380
government with cameras and we put them in some of our parks there's there's no doubt but

1535
02:23:16,900 --> 02:23:24,380
I was when we did all the legislation regarding the body cameras the ACLU really pushed back

1536
02:23:24,380 --> 02:23:30,480
hard on that they've been pushing back on cameras for years that's why they're just now

1537
02:23:30,480 --> 02:23:36,720
getting them on anything other than red light cameras for highways so I'm just saying

1538
02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:48,480
I mean, we need to not say no, I'm just saying we need to be thoughtful about how we do this and the policies surrounding cameras, you know, people like their privacy.

1539
02:23:48,920 --> 02:23:59,200
And so, anyway, just put that out there because, as I said, maybe I'm getting too old and I remember the days where you really didn't want government cameras.

1540
02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:08,480
Okay. Okay. That being said, let's move on to number three, which is C3-S-S-R-305

1541
02:24:08,480 --> 02:24:09,800
code amendments, and this is Nicole.

1542
02:24:19,530 --> 02:24:20,890
There's something wrong with this chair, but

1543
02:24:20,890 --> 02:24:27,110
that's okay. We'll make it work. Good evening. So we're here for a workshop tonight

1544
02:24:27,810 --> 02:24:34,190
for the C3-S-R-305 zoning code amendments. I'm just going to share the memo that

1545
02:24:34,190 --> 02:24:39,450
you received just to kind of walk you through. I'm not going to repeat what I already said in the memo,

1546
02:24:39,450 --> 02:24:45,730
but just a reminder that these code amendments come out of the moratorium that you passed in

1547
02:24:45,730 --> 02:24:51,790
September of 2023 and it was a building moratorium specifically in C3 for vacant or underutilized

1548
02:24:51,790 --> 02:24:58,430
properties parcels that are proposing multifamily could come in during that moratorium.

1549
02:25:00,270 --> 02:25:08,210
So, what we've done over the last several months is evaluate some of the background information

1550
02:25:08,210 --> 02:25:13,350
that we have, such as a market study that was conducted last year by a consultant looking

1551
02:25:13,350 --> 02:25:21,590
at the topography of the 305 area. Really, kind of, we spent time walking multiple areas,

1552
02:25:21,830 --> 02:25:25,290
just kind of getting a feel for it, so that's the kind of stuff that we do when we're thinking

1553
02:25:25,290 --> 02:25:29,130
about code amendments, doing research about other jurisdictions, et cetera.

1554
02:25:29,770 --> 02:25:34,470
So what we've concluded, and what we took through planning commission that you have in

1555
02:25:34,470 --> 02:25:41,070
front of you tonight, is some strategic amendments to get us to a point where we feel like it

1556
02:25:41,070 --> 02:25:47,950
could encourage some more additional residential units within mixed use buildings, and then release

1557
02:25:47,950 --> 02:25:53,290
the moratorium at the same time, keeping in mind that you will see more amendments in

1558
02:25:53,290 --> 02:26:00,490
regards to commercial zones and residential uses in probably early 2025 in correlation

1559
02:26:00,490 --> 02:26:04,690
with our comprehensive plan and an update, comments of plan update as well.

1560
02:26:05,410 --> 02:26:09,390
So some other items that we'll talk about in the future is the flex space.

1561
02:26:09,710 --> 02:26:12,610
Of course, we'll bring that back forward and talk to you about that.

1562
02:26:13,210 --> 02:26:15,970
We'll talk to you about multifamily tax exemptions in the future.

1563
02:26:16,630 --> 02:26:20,470
So there's other items that we didn't include in this package because they're bigger conversations,

1564
02:26:20,470 --> 02:26:26,470
but we felt like these were strategic items to bring forward to get the moratorium lifted.

1565
02:26:27,450 --> 02:26:31,230
And the amendments are related specifically to two major items which is height.

1566
02:26:32,310 --> 02:26:38,950
And that is with careful consideration of topography and what the lay of the land is along 305.

1567
02:26:39,650 --> 02:26:42,770
And then also some strategic amendments to permitted uses.

1568
02:26:43,670 --> 02:26:47,430
The parking reductions for this zone, they're very minor.

1569
02:26:47,430 --> 02:26:53,750
they were already done when you adopted the college marketplace amendments last month because the

1570
02:26:53,750 --> 02:26:58,490
code section for that applies to both zones. So weren't we didn't bring forward any additional

1571
02:26:58,490 --> 02:27:05,590
parking proposals. Of note and Gary called me yesterday and asked me this question I wanted to

1572
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:11,770
make sure you're aware in regards to the height that there still is a code section that pertains to all

1573
02:27:11,770 --> 02:27:19,650
of our city that you can't achieve an additional 10 foot in height above the 45 or 55 that we're

1574
02:27:19,650 --> 02:27:25,630
proposing with under building parking. So that still is on the books for this zone. So there is

1575
02:27:25,630 --> 02:27:31,130
a potential, so in the 45 foot height limit you could go to 55 with under building parking in the

1576
02:27:31,130 --> 02:27:37,630
55 foot height limit you go to 65. So just want to make sure. Yes, of course.

1577
02:27:41,310 --> 02:27:42,810
Bring this up because I

1578
02:27:42,810 --> 02:27:48,550
it's relevant to the proposed development near my house but is there a

1579
02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:53,570
distinction between under building and underground? No it's just under

1580
02:27:53,570 --> 02:27:57,630
building so the Sophie also utilize that code section as well it's not

1581
02:27:57,630 --> 02:28:04,330
underground it's under building that's a way to encourage less pavement in

1582
02:28:04,330 --> 02:28:09,810
terms of parking spaces. No I understand that yeah yeah it's just it's it's the

1583
02:28:09,810 --> 02:28:10,750
And the code says under building.

1584
02:28:11,830 --> 02:28:13,430
Yeah, so that code section still applies.

1585
02:28:13,530 --> 02:28:15,310
I just wanted to make sure that you were clear about that.

1586
02:28:17,790 --> 02:28:18,350
Thanks, Mary.

1587
02:28:19,550 --> 02:28:23,650
Nicole, thank you for I've spent quite a bit of time with this.

1588
02:28:24,190 --> 02:28:26,630
I think the recommendations look good.

1589
02:28:26,810 --> 02:28:29,470
Appreciate the work by you and staff and

1590
02:28:29,470 --> 02:28:31,330
Heather and our planning commission.

1591
02:28:32,070 --> 02:28:37,210
I had one concern I wanted to discuss.

1592
02:28:37,210 --> 02:28:43,310
and that is early in the document it talks about the market study that the

1593
02:28:43,310 --> 02:28:49,730
consultant did for us and one of their recommendations in the C3 was that we

1594
02:28:49,730 --> 02:28:56,490
allow for developments to go right up to the sidewalk in the front. It's

1595
02:28:56,490 --> 02:29:02,370
essentially kind of making it a bit more look like downtown in some respects and

1596
02:29:02,370 --> 02:29:08,570
And I talked with Nicole about this the other day, I guess planning commission did discuss

1597
02:29:08,570 --> 02:29:15,630
that, but it is in here right now that we're proposing is different than what this consultant

1598
02:29:15,630 --> 02:29:16,190
suggested.

1599
02:29:17,110 --> 02:29:23,250
And that is to have a 15-foot minimum in the front yard.

1600
02:29:23,990 --> 02:29:30,090
And so I'm a little concerned about that, you know, if we're trying to encourage some development

1601
02:29:30,090 --> 02:29:35,430
in this area, and we know the challenges of the slope and other challenges in this area.

1602
02:29:37,430 --> 02:29:43,070
I talked with Nicole about the prospect of changing that 15 feet to 10 feet.

1603
02:29:44,110 --> 02:29:49,310
She thought that could be workable, and so I just thought I'd like to have a brief conversation about that

1604
02:29:49,310 --> 02:29:53,410
if people have objections to that, because I think it could help make a difference for us.

1605
02:29:53,590 --> 02:29:58,930
And I looked at some of the properties over there, and it seemed like the 10 feet would still work well.

1606
02:29:58,930 --> 02:29:59,870
Thank you very much.

1607
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,820
With the idea with like a 15 or even a 10-foot setback, be that you're going to be able to include some landscaping elements that kind of soften. Yeah, so it would that be possible to 10 feet. So there were. Now I suddenly forgot if the see three zones required to do landscaping. I believe yes, they are. Sorry downtown isn't required to do landscaping. But projects in this area are also required to do like plazas type of entry type.

1608
02:30:29,820 --> 02:30:37,360
thing so the 15 feet lens itself to that a little bit more but going down to 10 or even 5 gives some flexibility to what

1609
02:30:37,360 --> 02:30:40,840
That might look like we could still like one part of the building could have a plaza

1610
02:30:40,840 --> 02:30:43,060
But then the other part could be closer to the street

1611
02:30:43,060 --> 02:30:47,880
So our goal is always to provide some flexibility and how the site is designed

1612
02:30:47,880 --> 02:30:50,080
So I think that could lend itself well to that

1613
02:30:51,440 --> 02:30:55,020
Yeah, that was the only thing that I saw too and

1614
02:30:56,080 --> 02:30:58,940
Not just because the recommendation was to make it less

1615
02:30:59,820 --> 02:31:06,480
but that we have 10 feet on biking avenue already and I was really surprised that we would

1616
02:31:06,480 --> 02:31:12,920
have more of a setback on 305 than we do on biking. So yeah, I definitely think at a minimum,

1617
02:31:13,160 --> 02:31:20,560
we should make 305 10 feet to match biking and possibly we could certainly maintain lower,

1618
02:31:21,160 --> 02:31:28,100
but I think 10 feet at least is reasonable when we look at what those two roads consist of and

1619
02:31:29,880 --> 02:31:32,500
305 is certainly more of a through way,

1620
02:31:33,140 --> 02:31:37,460
whereas inviting this more of a stop and go,

1621
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:40,880
I can't see 305 having more setback than the other.

1622
02:31:41,220 --> 02:31:46,340
So, Doug has made a point a couple of times too

1623
02:31:46,340 --> 02:31:50,680
about in a perfect world, we'd be consistent

1624
02:31:51,080 --> 02:31:54,520
to make it easy for the development community and staff

1625
02:31:54,520 --> 02:31:56,980
so we don't have a lot of ups and downs

1626
02:31:56,980 --> 02:31:59,240
and sort of different regulations and different zones.

1627
02:31:59,240 --> 02:32:04,020
And sometimes that's necessary, but I think Rick raises a good point, and if I think further

1628
02:32:04,020 --> 02:32:08,040
sort of in my mind makes the argument for change in this to 10 feet.

1629
02:32:08,620 --> 02:32:08,780
Okay.

1630
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:09,600
Sarah general.

1631
02:32:10,200 --> 02:32:10,480
Agreed?

1632
02:32:10,700 --> 02:32:11,100
Great.

1633
02:32:13,980 --> 02:32:19,800
Just a general question from the standpoint, we talk about 45 feet, we talk about 55 feet.

1634
02:32:20,780 --> 02:32:23,840
Can you translate that for the lay person's and building?

1635
02:32:24,460 --> 02:32:27,320
How many floors do we think we're going to get out of 55 feet?

1636
02:32:28,100 --> 02:32:34,820
So 35 feet, you're looking at three floors, 45 feet, four floors, and that's generally

1637
02:32:34,820 --> 02:32:39,480
with a, with, you expect to see 10 foot floor to floor?

1638
02:32:39,720 --> 02:32:40,500
It could be yes.

1639
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:46,160
That's what we're seeing for mix, for mix juice though, the first floor would be likely

1640
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:50,600
a 12 foot ceiling, and then it could be as low as 8 foot ceilings for the residential.

1641
02:32:50,900 --> 02:32:54,880
Okay, so would be floor to floor of 14 feet on the first floor and then a little shorter,

1642
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:59,340
And then that might lend itself a little bit more to flat roofs because you don't have as much room

1643
02:32:59,340 --> 02:33:06,860
But we are talking amongst our staff is currently discussing how we measure high and looking at that again to encourage more pitch roofs

1644
02:33:06,860 --> 02:33:10,120
But that'll be before you add a later time, but we are looking at that

1645
02:33:10,120 --> 02:33:13,260
So just kind of take a step back of course

1646
02:33:14,340 --> 02:33:20,180
Four to five story buildings. Yes, four to five. Okay. Absolutely. Say that out loud

1647
02:33:20,180 --> 02:33:27,220
I know I just want to make sure we talk and feed, but yeah, in visual I think Doug

1648
02:33:27,220 --> 02:33:31,320
you're wise because people are listening to this. We're talking four to five stories.

1649
02:33:31,560 --> 02:33:36,980
Yeah, okay. That's what we're talking about. We currently allow three to four. So thank

1650
02:33:36,980 --> 02:33:37,140
you.

1651
02:33:37,260 --> 02:33:43,080
I have a question about the setbacks. Is there any way we can average them? In other words,

1652
02:33:43,700 --> 02:33:48,380
the average 10 feet and that way you can have some that go in and out and give you a little

1653
02:33:48,380 --> 02:33:55,340
more. Yeah yeah I've seen the plaza yeah I mean I've seen that before I could

1654
02:33:55,340 --> 02:34:00,400
write it in there as an app like in our residential low zone for example we say

1655
02:34:00,400 --> 02:34:05,220
15 feet total so it could be seven and a half and seven and a half or five and

1656
02:34:05,220 --> 02:34:09,200
10 so we give that flexibility in our residential low so we could do something

1657
02:34:09,200 --> 02:34:14,960
like that in the front yard and just say an average of I mean you could have one

1658
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:19,160
section of the building coming right out to the sidewalk flush and then that would allow

1659
02:34:19,160 --> 02:34:25,660
that would allow you to build a really nice kind of a plaza area to move the other

1660
02:34:25,660 --> 02:34:26,100
parts out.

1661
02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:27,320
I think that's not about idea.

1662
02:34:27,720 --> 02:34:32,920
I mean does that come down to discretion of the planning department as to where that

1663
02:34:33,580 --> 02:34:40,260
tool would be best utilized because I can think of some places where it might be less desirable.

1664
02:34:40,480 --> 02:34:44,780
So it would be specific to, I mean it would be again this is getting away from one

1665
02:34:44,780 --> 02:34:50,880
to be consistent. I wouldn't want to, at this point, change the way we measure setbacks

1666
02:34:50,880 --> 02:34:56,740
for everything. Yeah. It would be just for this zone, for this setback. So maybe that's something

1667
02:34:56,740 --> 02:34:59,780
that we can look at a little further and bring back to you.

1668
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:29,800
When we bring more amendments to you early next year, because that's a great idea. I just don't know what that looks like exactly. I would really like the idea of having like a good wide sidewalk, then almost a plaza area in front of a building, but then the building can go way out to the sidewalk again on one side. Yeah, I think an average may says, but I would suggest that if we if we make 305 a 10 foot average, we also make liking a 10 foot average. Yeah, so I think that's something best to bring back at a later time after we have time to look at what that means and other because it tends to

1669
02:35:29,800 --> 02:35:31,960
the pool of thread sometimes of the rest of the code?

1670
02:35:34,180 --> 02:35:35,160
Okay, Doug, go ahead.

1671
02:35:35,560 --> 02:35:38,620
Yeah, and just the only thing I know you said you're going to come back on multi-family

1672
02:35:38,620 --> 02:35:44,130
tech, the assumption, just I think it's an interesting tool.

1673
02:35:45,050 --> 02:35:45,970
Glad you're going to come back.

1674
02:35:47,010 --> 02:35:49,350
There's a lot to be discussed regarding it.

1675
02:35:49,450 --> 02:35:53,890
Planning Commission had a very robust discussion and did not recommend bringing it forward

1676
02:35:53,890 --> 02:35:54,650
to City Council.

1677
02:35:55,230 --> 02:35:56,610
However, it's a part of the code.

1678
02:35:56,810 --> 02:35:57,470
That was two years ago.

1679
02:35:57,530 --> 02:35:58,090
That was two years ago.

1680
02:35:58,090 --> 02:36:04,370
So it's a part of the code that the Planning Commission actually doesn't have any recommending authority over for City Council.

1681
02:36:04,570 --> 02:36:07,690
What part didn't hear what you said, the MFTE, the multi-family task time time?

1682
02:36:07,690 --> 02:36:09,490
We looked at it hard two years ago and did-

1683
02:36:09,490 --> 02:36:15,010
Lots of good questions, lots of good discussion, but we do intend to bring it to Council to be able to have that same discussion.

1684
02:36:15,270 --> 02:36:17,010
It's the only way we're going to get affordability.

1685
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:18,570
Garry's a man, really.

1686
02:36:19,090 --> 02:36:27,290
I understand it, and I get, you know, getting our head around, what do we do and what do we expect the responses, you know.

1687
02:36:27,990 --> 02:36:31,630
I mean, we can't exempt everybody from paying taxes for 12 years.

1688
02:36:31,910 --> 02:36:34,910
Yeah, it would be a very strategic sort of fun.

1689
02:36:35,470 --> 02:36:40,510
Walk us through that, because it's more complicated, my little brain can handle.

1690
02:36:40,530 --> 02:36:45,770
And that's one of the things I know at your retreat, Heather shared kind of the matrixes we

1691
02:36:45,770 --> 02:36:50,470
put together about housing, and we're basically taking walking through the tools that are available

1692
02:36:50,470 --> 02:36:53,510
and bringing them to you, and then that's a decision you can make if you want to adopt

1693
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:54,030
that tool.

1694
02:36:54,470 --> 02:36:55,410
So we're going to keep doing that.

1695
02:36:55,410 --> 02:36:55,470
Yeah.

1696
02:36:55,750 --> 02:36:56,050
I have so.

1697
02:36:56,750 --> 02:36:57,330
Go ahead, Greg.

1698
02:36:58,270 --> 02:37:00,550
Yeah, I just took one other question and it's very minor.

1699
02:37:01,010 --> 02:37:05,150
I know when we were talking about Alhava, we talked about storage and I think it was,

1700
02:37:05,930 --> 02:37:08,590
so in here we talk about self-served mini storage.

1701
02:37:09,190 --> 02:37:11,930
So that's when it's a dedicated storage facility, right?

1702
02:37:12,190 --> 02:37:14,630
Not storage associated with another business.

1703
02:37:15,710 --> 02:37:21,030
Self-service mini storage in any capacity is not permitted in the C3 zone currently.

1704
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:27,310
So, if someone puts in a apartment building in a high store, this is a separate

1705
02:37:27,310 --> 02:37:28,810
just dedicated, okay.

1706
02:37:28,990 --> 02:37:30,390
So, like, what's across from town and country?

1707
02:37:31,570 --> 02:37:31,690
Yes.

1708
02:37:31,970 --> 02:37:32,150
Okay.

1709
02:37:32,250 --> 02:37:34,770
Stand-alone warehouse type storage is not permitted.

1710
02:37:35,190 --> 02:37:39,890
And so, what we have, the footnote is that basically any that exists now can stay.

1711
02:37:40,070 --> 02:37:40,210
Yes.

1712
02:37:41,110 --> 02:37:46,470
What would happen if, in some redevelopment of 305, one of those existing properties

1713
02:37:46,470 --> 02:37:51,690
wants to modify what's there, would they be limited then because this says it's prohibited?

1714
02:37:52,190 --> 02:37:58,890
Yeah, so they would fall under our nonconforming code section, which has some bumpers around it basically.

1715
02:37:59,690 --> 02:38:04,710
You can do some work, but you can't expand the existing nonconformity.

1716
02:38:04,990 --> 02:38:07,130
You can do maintenance and work and stuff like that.

1717
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:12,630
So they can potentially take part of the property that's currently self-service and turn it into something else?

1718
02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:13,730
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

1719
02:38:15,850 --> 02:38:20,890
But it wouldn't be like, no, it's cell service, if you touch it, the whole thing has to shut down.

1720
02:38:21,250 --> 02:38:24,090
They could carve out a section and put an apartment building in there.

1721
02:38:24,090 --> 02:38:25,990
There's likely a way that they could do that, yes.

1722
02:38:26,490 --> 02:38:26,610
Yeah.

1723
02:38:27,650 --> 02:38:28,030
Okay.

1724
02:38:28,230 --> 02:38:29,410
Any more questions for Nicole?

1725
02:38:29,630 --> 02:38:30,470
This is beautiful work.

1726
02:38:30,710 --> 02:38:31,070
Thank you.

1727
02:38:31,430 --> 02:38:31,870
I'll be back.

1728
02:38:32,010 --> 02:38:33,510
On the 26th with the public hearing.

1729
02:38:33,750 --> 02:38:34,090
Well done.

1730
02:38:34,250 --> 02:38:34,330
Okay.

1731
02:38:34,570 --> 02:38:35,350
Thank you very much.

1732
02:38:36,190 --> 02:38:36,470
Okay.

1733
02:38:36,630 --> 02:38:39,390
So now we have Carla and the Perk.

1734
02:38:42,150 --> 02:38:45,330
That's a novel, Carla in the perk, that's a novel title.

1735
02:38:46,210 --> 02:38:48,190
It does, it does, it sounds like a book title.

1736
02:39:03,930 --> 02:39:12,130
All right, well good evening, City Council, Mayor Erickson, so I'm Carla Bowton, and I am the special project planner here at the city.

1737
02:39:13,370 --> 02:39:22,870
And with me is Josh Reigns, our city engineer, and we're here to talk to you about the perk in our local agreement between the city of Paul's Bow and the Kitsat Public Facility District,

1738
02:39:22,870 --> 02:39:26,330
which is a funding agreement.

1739
02:39:27,510 --> 02:39:34,150
This project, as you know, has been on the city's capital improvement plan

1740
02:39:35,030 --> 02:39:38,650
in a scale, more scale down version for over 20 years

1741
02:39:38,650 --> 02:39:41,810
and has been something that we've been working with

1742
02:39:41,810 --> 02:39:44,650
four and towards for the last six years.

1743
02:39:44,850 --> 02:39:50,670
So it is actually a bit of a short, how about an expanded short story

1744
02:39:50,670 --> 02:39:57,610
But it is my pleasure actually to be before you tonight with yet another step and those

1745
02:39:57,610 --> 02:39:59,670
as if you've been along the park journey.

1746
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:26,400
I know that the saying that I started at the beginning is we're going to take the next step, as long as there was another step to take. And so we are here, again, with an important step, which is the funding interlocal agreement between the City of Palsville and Kitsat Public Facility District. In your packet, there's a cover memo and then the interlocal agreement that has been reviewed and approved by the KPFD.

1747
02:40:27,580 --> 02:40:32,020
I'm going to go ahead and make a few introductory comments about the annual

1748
02:40:32,020 --> 02:40:35,600
agreement. I have it ready to bring up on the screen if there are specific

1749
02:40:35,600 --> 02:40:41,440
sections that you want to speak about, but I won't put it up unless we need to.

1750
02:40:44,840 --> 02:40:54,240
We will go ahead and do that then. Thank you. So highlights, so I want to start off by

1751
02:40:54,240 --> 02:41:00,740
saying that this interlocal agreement was drafted in full coordination and cooperation

1752
02:41:00,740 --> 02:41:02,880
with the Ketat Public Facility District.

1753
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:11,040
We started in January of 2024 where the mayor and staff met with the KPFD executive

1754
02:41:11,040 --> 02:41:18,180
director and their executive board to discuss and agree upon the framework for the ILA.

1755
02:41:19,160 --> 02:41:24,260
and then the city did provide the first draft at the end of 2024 and there was

1756
02:41:24,260 --> 02:41:28,860
quite a bit of review on the interlocal agreement that was done between the

1757
02:41:28,860 --> 02:41:34,900
parties. Legal counsel for both parties reviewed it. Our financial advisors

1758
02:41:34,900 --> 02:41:42,340
reviewed it. Debbie, our finance instructor, city administrator was intimately involved.

1759
02:41:42,340 --> 02:41:49,200
Josh was a dinlinious was so our city attorney Emily was so we had a lot of eyes on that on our side

1760
02:41:49,200 --> 02:41:57,980
But the PFD did too and the reason it took maybe longer than we expected was because this is and I say this with a little bit of pride

1761
02:41:57,980 --> 02:42:08,760
We are the first funding interlocal agreement from the 2018 call of projects that they made so the PFD was actually making sure their their eyes were

1762
02:42:08,760 --> 02:42:15,500
dotted in their T's were crossed when crafting this ILA because they will be using this as

1763
02:42:15,500 --> 02:42:18,500
a template for their other projects moving forward.

1764
02:42:20,100 --> 02:42:25,580
So highlights of the interlocal agreement are just takes forever.

1765
02:42:26,820 --> 02:42:27,260
Oh, sorry.

1766
02:42:27,860 --> 02:42:32,640
I was just saying so while this project has been going on for as long as we said it was,

1767
02:42:33,460 --> 02:42:37,440
we're not really behind other projects that were awarded that same year.

1768
02:42:37,440 --> 02:42:38,920
That's correct. We are the first.

1769
02:42:39,560 --> 02:42:41,120
I like that.

1770
02:42:41,460 --> 02:42:42,260
I like that too.

1771
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:51,680
So the some highlights for your note for our notation is that if you recall in the feasibility

1772
02:42:51,680 --> 02:42:58,480
study, we had a preliminary assessment of 11.7 million and we have adjusted it to 13 million

1773
02:42:58,480 --> 02:43:06,600
for $20.25. That does represent a funding split of 8.71 million to the KPFD and the city

1774
02:43:06,600 --> 02:43:15,840
at 4.29 million. The KPFD spent a lot of time talking with us about what the total cost was

1775
02:43:15,840 --> 02:43:21,260
going to be to them inclusive of interest. And that's actually when Debbie and her, the

1776
02:43:21,260 --> 02:43:26,120
city's financial advisor and the PFD financial advisor got together to talk about it. And the reason

1777
02:43:26,120 --> 02:43:32,060
is because the PFD really needed to know they were doing their financial modeling. They have two other

1778
02:43:32,060 --> 02:43:36,780
projects that they've committed funding to, they wanted to know kind of what the

1779
02:43:36,780 --> 02:43:41,200
all-in game was going to be for them so that they could then do budgeting for

1780
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:48,280
their other two projects. So that did result in a number of attachments that are

1781
02:43:48,280 --> 02:43:52,960
to the interlocal agreement and attachment D in particular as a financial

1782
02:43:52,960 --> 02:43:59,940
estimate. That's basically an amortization table that goes out from 20, 25, yes

1783
02:43:59,940 --> 02:44:03,160
to, you know, for 20 years.

1784
02:44:04,200 --> 02:44:09,900
It assumes a 4.5 interest rate, which is what our financial advisors recommended that

1785
02:44:09,900 --> 02:44:15,340
we assumed to be conservative, but Debbie shares me that during the bonding crisis interest

1786
02:44:15,340 --> 02:44:16,740
rates can be negotiated.

1787
02:44:17,380 --> 02:44:23,100
And so we're hoping that there might be an opportunity for some cost savings with that process.

1788
02:44:23,100 --> 02:44:29,840
Yes. What that does result in, though, is the PFD did agree to an approximate 10.3 million

1789
02:44:29,840 --> 02:44:37,440
all-in and have stipulated that in the interlocal agreement, so that is inclusive of that 4.5

1790
02:44:37,440 --> 02:44:44,800
interest rate. Then there are other attachments to the ILA. We have attachment B outlines the

1791
02:44:44,800 --> 02:44:51,640
high-level tasks, up to construction, and then attachment C is the budget summary. So the

1792
02:44:51,640 --> 02:44:57,000
proposed this this ILA was presented to the public facilities district board

1793
02:44:57,000 --> 02:44:59,820
The board of directors, April 29th.

1794
02:45:00,740 --> 02:45:29,980
The city was very well represented at that meeting. We had the mayor council member Newell was there, Debbie or city administrator, Josh, Jeff, our park structure, and then myself. And so there was a bit of discussion. They had some new board members that hadn't been along for the full ride of from the beginning of the 2018 call for projects, the process that their board went through and selecting the project.

1795
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:37,380
projects, and so we took the time to kind of tell the whole story about their own process

1796
02:45:37,380 --> 02:45:43,380
and our piece of their story as well. So with all that at their conclusion, they did

1797
02:45:43,380 --> 02:45:49,100
approve the ILA, they did have two changes that they wanted to make. One is they wanted

1798
02:45:49,100 --> 02:45:55,500
to have an attorney fees clause in case we have a disagreement, which I don't think we

1799
02:45:55,500 --> 02:45:59,800
will. But mostly they wanted to make sure we were going to do what we said we were going

1800
02:45:59,800 --> 02:46:05,220
to do. And even though I would say that we have consistently shown them that we are doing

1801
02:46:05,220 --> 02:46:10,540
what we're saying we're doing, they have had some negative experience with other agencies

1802
02:46:11,080 --> 02:46:16,000
that may promises that they didn't fulfill and so they did put a clause in our interlocal

1803
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:22,460
agreement that we will be out to award a construction contract by December 31st, 2025,

1804
02:46:23,000 --> 02:46:27,960
or the ILA will terminate.

1805
02:46:28,520 --> 02:46:33,360
And there's some caveats about that meaning if we have outstanding invoices that, you know,

1806
02:46:33,480 --> 02:46:35,720
two consultants that they'll pay for it and all that.

1807
02:46:35,840 --> 02:46:38,740
So it's not a hard, we're going to quit everything.

1808
02:46:38,860 --> 02:46:43,940
But what they are communicating to the city is that we want you to do this project

1809
02:46:43,940 --> 02:46:46,040
and we're expecting you to do this project.

1810
02:46:46,300 --> 02:46:51,120
And so Josh and I are here before you tonight to answer any questions

1811
02:46:51,120 --> 02:46:55,320
questions that you have about the interlocal agreement and hopefully move forward with the

1812
02:46:55,320 --> 02:46:56,120
project.

1813
02:47:01,160 --> 02:47:04,600
This is literally years in the making and

1814
02:47:06,810 --> 02:47:10,270
some crying, I think, the gnashing of teeth and

1815
02:47:10,270 --> 02:47:16,830
jumping up and down and just, you know, it's been quite a wild ride.

1816
02:47:17,610 --> 02:47:21,550
I want to thank you, Carla, for all of the hard work you've done on this.

1817
02:47:21,770 --> 02:47:24,510
Carla has been masterful in putting this all together.

1818
02:47:25,030 --> 02:47:29,610
You, Josh, and Diane's not here, but both of you and supportive rules that you've been.

1819
02:47:29,770 --> 02:47:39,030
It's been a heck of a ride and Heather as well, she's not here, but it's Mary and Mary and Dan.

1820
02:47:39,570 --> 02:47:48,090
I mean, this has been a long time coming, so it's very good work and I'm really proud to present this tonight to you guys, really.

1821
02:47:48,850 --> 02:47:49,430
Go ahead, Gary.

1822
02:47:50,470 --> 02:47:50,890
Thank you, Mary.

1823
02:47:50,890 --> 02:47:59,890
there. Yeah, this is exciting. I, one thing I just wanted to kind of raise, I know with

1824
02:47:59,890 --> 02:48:04,850
there had been some previous discussions about given some of our other needs in the city,

1825
02:48:04,970 --> 02:48:15,510
for instance, rebuilding or shorting up the boardwalk along Liberty Bay, repairing, replacing,

1826
02:48:16,570 --> 02:48:45,290
the Oyster Plant Dock, there had been some discussion about packaging, bonding, as I understood it, with the Perth project, and I talked with Deb about this the other day, and my understanding is that we and the facilities district would prefer, as I understand it, that this project, the bonding for this remains separate, and that we would, if we're packaging other bonds together for some of our

1827
02:48:45,290 --> 02:48:52,450
our infrastructure needs that there would be ample opportunity to put some things together separate and distinct from the perk.

1828
02:48:52,950 --> 02:48:59,090
So I just wanted to share that with my colleagues, I'm comfortable with that, I think it makes a great deal of sense.

1829
02:49:01,330 --> 02:49:15,150
And you know, I look through the documents, I really don't have any concerns, I know it's been well-vetted, I know, I think we've talked previously about the deadline that the facilities just put in there.

1830
02:49:15,150 --> 02:49:18,390
of December 31st, 2025 is doable, right?

1831
02:49:18,550 --> 02:49:20,710
We don't have concerns about that.

1832
02:49:20,910 --> 02:49:21,510
Is that right, Josh?

1833
02:49:21,950 --> 02:49:22,690
That's correct.

1834
02:49:22,970 --> 02:49:23,150
Okay.

1835
02:49:23,510 --> 02:49:25,130
I would just like to take the opportunity.

1836
02:49:25,130 --> 02:49:31,650
That's why we came forward also with the engineering position is because as Carla is stepping

1837
02:49:31,650 --> 02:49:36,330
back to support this, she did all the hard work to get it here, engineering is taking it and

1838
02:49:36,330 --> 02:49:38,990
managing the project through design and construction.

1839
02:49:39,350 --> 02:49:39,430
Okay.

1840
02:49:40,030 --> 02:49:41,370
Appreciate you mentioning that.

1841
02:49:41,490 --> 02:49:43,510
How we coming on fill in that position, by the way?

1842
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:46,330
Well, we're going to talk a little bit more about that here later in the new

1843
02:49:46,330 --> 02:49:46,530
January.

1844
02:49:46,910 --> 02:49:47,150
Okay.

1845
02:49:47,450 --> 02:49:47,590
All right.

1846
02:49:47,910 --> 02:49:48,110
Okay.

1847
02:49:48,310 --> 02:49:48,410
Good.

1848
02:49:49,350 --> 02:49:54,470
So, yes, I'm very supportive and moving forward with this, you know, six years plus

1849
02:49:54,470 --> 02:49:55,670
in the making, let's get going.

1850
02:49:58,510 --> 02:49:59,110
Sadie it.

1851
02:49:59,510 --> 02:49:59,970
Thumbs up.

1852
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:00,400
So, everybody?

1853
02:50:03,760 --> 02:50:29,420
Well, I also was kind of, I got really excited when I was reading the materials again and, you know, some people just kind of wanted to classify this as just the two athletic fields. There's so much more that we're going to do up there. If you really look at it, you know, and so I think it's very exciting and I think it'll be a terrific amenity for the community. Thank you. Thank you, Council. We will put it on next week's council.

1854
02:50:29,420 --> 02:50:34,680
Yeah, consent agenda yeah, just with Gary would say I'm just going to take a quick second to do that

1855
02:50:35,400 --> 02:50:38,500
multi you two multi-use artificial tourist force fields

1856
02:50:39,480 --> 02:50:44,660
sports courts which includes at least one basketball court and four pickle pickle ball courts

1857
02:50:45,020 --> 02:50:47,560
a nature playground the entry plaza

1858
02:50:48,080 --> 02:50:50,940
terrace seating outdoor fire pit

1859
02:50:50,940 --> 02:50:55,200
front site furnishings which is benches and rest areas shelters

1860
02:50:55,200 --> 02:50:59,100
for picnic's and teams and restroom and concessions.

1861
02:50:59,480 --> 02:51:02,180
This is way more than two soccer fields, so.

1862
02:51:02,540 --> 02:51:05,160
Good job, great work.

1863
02:51:05,480 --> 02:51:09,720
Look forward to seeing the final design plans and exactly what it's going to look like.

1864
02:51:10,500 --> 02:51:17,260
So one clarifying thing, maybe Jeff can talk about this, but my understanding is we've got four pickleball

1865
02:51:17,260 --> 02:51:22,320
courts, but the basketball court area could also be used for two additional courts.

1866
02:51:22,520 --> 02:51:23,800
Pickleball courts, is that right, John?

1867
02:51:24,600 --> 02:51:26,080
I want to talk.

1868
02:51:26,540 --> 02:51:28,400
It's my time to shine.

1869
02:51:29,080 --> 02:51:33,940
Talking with Josh, so right now we're, you know, council proves this and then we start working on.

1870
02:51:34,380 --> 02:51:37,140
Design's going to come and that's where we can influence design.

1871
02:51:37,400 --> 02:51:40,920
Because what we want is we want facilities that are used and not just sitting there.

1872
02:51:41,480 --> 02:51:44,380
And multi-use facilities are a great way where we can adapt.

1873
02:51:44,920 --> 02:51:50,660
So ideally, both basketball courts can expand and you can run six pickleball courts for tournaments.

1874
02:51:50,660 --> 02:51:54,460
And then potentially, conversely, maybe we're going to have more basketball courts,

1875
02:51:54,620 --> 02:51:59,880
but I think flexible with how we are thoughtful with the space that applies to the fields and other areas.

1876
02:52:00,320 --> 02:52:01,320
That I'm looking forward to.

1877
02:52:01,440 --> 02:52:02,340
Yeah, I probably don't know.

1878
02:52:02,500 --> 02:52:05,960
It says, at least, one basketball court and four football courts.

1879
02:52:06,860 --> 02:52:15,760
And if I may just go ahead and ask you to just tag out on Jeff, the message we heard every steering committee meeting

1880
02:52:15,760 --> 02:52:20,420
was make this as multi use as you can

1881
02:52:20,420 --> 02:52:26,920
and so we are squeezing every drop out of this modest six acre site.

1882
02:52:27,320 --> 02:52:33,960
And so we're gonna, yeah, we will work with our consultant.

1883
02:52:34,940 --> 02:52:42,020
Those courts surfaces can also be used for stage for outdoor concerts and food trucks.

1884
02:52:42,020 --> 02:52:51,100
So, like, we are thinking big about how we can utilize every square inch of that to be more than just two soccer fields.

1885
02:52:51,820 --> 02:52:52,140
Okay.

1886
02:52:52,620 --> 02:52:53,220
Thank you.

1887
02:52:53,260 --> 02:52:55,100
All right. So, on to council approval.

1888
02:52:55,420 --> 02:52:55,680
Thank you, Dr.

1889
02:52:55,780 --> 02:52:56,000
Thank you.

1890
02:52:56,680 --> 02:52:56,900
Okay.

1891
02:52:57,280 --> 02:52:57,740
Thank you.

1892
02:52:58,280 --> 02:52:58,520
Okay.

1893
02:52:58,680 --> 02:53:03,060
Now we're moving on to 246, well,

1894
02:53:04,140 --> 02:53:05,200
246 or 5,

1895
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:11,720
We have no North 3B grant acceptance, this is Josh.

1896
02:53:13,380 --> 02:53:19,920
Okay, so bear with me you get me up here for just a little while for the next few agenda items.

1897
02:53:21,840 --> 02:53:26,680
Okay, so we are here to talk about the no North 3B grant acceptance.

1898
02:53:27,980 --> 02:53:33,820
We are on the tail ends of finishing up our right-of-way acquisition, getting all the

1899
02:53:33,820 --> 02:53:39,320
T's cross-eyes dotted and getting that submitted and wrapping up our design and getting

1900
02:53:39,320 --> 02:53:40,380
an obligation done.

1901
02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:46,020
So this is one piece that we've lagged behind is accepting this grant.

1902
02:53:46,320 --> 02:53:53,800
So just to highlight what this project is, coming late this year, late this summer, later this

1903
02:53:53,800 --> 02:54:02,180
year down near where Johnson Parkway left off there on the left. We'll complete the

1904
02:54:02,180 --> 02:54:06,780
gap in the Shergey's path, and then the next two segments at the north, which is Langway

1905
02:54:06,780 --> 02:54:10,560
Net and Maranatha, which are segments 3A and 3B.

1906
02:54:13,120 --> 02:54:17,300
So specifically 3B, so similar to Johnson

1907
02:54:17,300 --> 02:54:24,220
Parkway, we had to be creative and blessed finance for bearing with us through all the grants.

1908
02:54:24,220 --> 02:54:27,420
We had to be creative and get multiple funding sources.

1909
02:54:28,200 --> 02:54:36,220
So one of the funding sources we got was for segment 3B and it was an STP grant and

1910
02:54:36,220 --> 02:54:38,140
we received $1.8 million.

1911
02:54:39,020 --> 02:54:45,680
Now we were fortunate to be able to couple the 3B project with the 3A project, the Languane

1912
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:51,560
F section, and move the funding forward from 2025 to 2024.

1913
02:54:51,560 --> 02:54:59,580
And so in that process, PSRC was able to rebalance, they had some additional money, and since we moved forward.

1914
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:07,540
Early, they offered us an additional $350,000. So that's what we're here tonight about.

1915
02:55:12,390 --> 02:55:15,870
So, we're

1916
02:55:15,870 --> 02:55:26,030
here to accept the $350,000. So just to highlight, STP is the surface transportation program,

1917
02:55:26,590 --> 02:55:31,010
but no, we were super excited about that. Yeah, Josh, could you put the road man pack

1918
02:55:31,010 --> 02:55:38,650
up the previous slide. Yes. Congratulations on that. Thank you Mayor PSRC, KRCC and everyone.

1919
02:55:39,330 --> 02:55:47,250
What's the ultimate disposition once we complete this NOL road? Any modification to the existing right

1920
02:55:47,250 --> 02:55:55,210
away? It's just going to be maintained out there and connected 305 as is. I'm not sure I understand.

1921
02:55:55,650 --> 02:56:00,990
Sorry. The NOL road, the old NOL road once this is completed. Could you go over it?

1922
02:56:00,990 --> 02:56:06,390
final disposition is planned. That's correct. So let me see if you can see my cursor. Yes, so

1923
02:56:07,030 --> 02:56:15,930
the old, no, no road comes here and it turns and it goes down and it ties into 305 here.

1924
02:56:16,470 --> 02:56:24,610
So that will, that all is mostly the county and where it intersects 305. And so that is part of

1925
02:56:24,610 --> 02:56:31,690
the 305 corridor study and it is a project to change that intersection to a right-in, right

1926
02:56:31,690 --> 02:56:32,150
out.

1927
02:56:32,710 --> 02:56:37,310
So you won't be able to take any left turns there into it or out the left turns.

1928
02:56:37,690 --> 02:56:38,070
Correct.

1929
02:56:39,430 --> 02:56:46,150
So currently does not have funding but it is on the project list and is one of the priority

1930
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:50,310
projects for 305 after some of the roundabouts occur.

1931
02:56:50,310 --> 02:56:53,410
you see some of the construction happening right now on

1932
02:56:53,410 --> 02:56:56,750
Bainbridge Island, so those are the kind of the next

1933
02:56:56,750 --> 02:56:59,170
priority projects on the 305 corridor.

1934
02:56:59,990 --> 02:57:03,570
If I could request a copy in my box of this particular,

1935
02:57:03,950 --> 02:57:05,070
sure, of course, yeah.

1936
02:57:07,830 --> 02:57:10,270
One of the interesting things about all of these projects

1937
02:57:10,270 --> 02:57:16,050
is how you guys have been a miracle workers of layering

1938
02:57:16,050 --> 02:57:21,410
this various pieces of money together in order to put it all

1939
02:57:21,410 --> 02:57:23,070
all the pieces together to make this happen.

1940
02:57:23,270 --> 02:57:24,850
It's been really complicated.

1941
02:57:25,330 --> 02:57:27,790
And also, thank you to Devstap, who tries

1942
02:57:27,790 --> 02:57:30,050
to keep it all straight on the finance side

1943
02:57:30,050 --> 02:57:31,730
as to what grant belongs to what.

1944
02:57:31,970 --> 02:57:35,190
So it's been very complicated, but extremely well done.

1945
02:57:35,530 --> 02:57:38,110
So, okay, so what do we, we're requesting this,

1946
02:57:38,250 --> 02:57:39,830
but this will be on the council agenda next week.

1947
02:57:39,990 --> 02:57:40,570
Correct, yeah.

1948
02:57:41,590 --> 02:57:43,370
Okay, go forward, great work.

1949
02:57:43,650 --> 02:57:43,970
Thank you.

1950
02:57:45,130 --> 02:57:49,480
All right, deal with me.

1951
02:57:50,580 --> 02:57:52,640
Take it away, comes back the other side.

1952
02:57:55,780 --> 02:57:59,440
Okay, amendment two to the Rob Part Play for All project.

1953
02:58:01,370 --> 02:58:03,670
Okay, so I have this one.

1954
02:58:03,750 --> 02:58:05,090
Didn't we already talk about Rob Mark?

1955
02:58:05,990 --> 02:58:06,750
We did.

1956
02:58:07,330 --> 02:58:07,670
We did.

1957
02:58:07,950 --> 02:58:12,690
And so this, those specifically, is for the consultant agreement.

1958
02:58:13,050 --> 02:58:22,810
So I mentioned it earlier and it was the amount, the cost, the $20,000 cost was included in the budget amendment that was approved earlier this evening.

1959
02:58:22,810 --> 02:58:33,130
However, tonight bringing forward the consultant contract to give them that $20,000 for construction

1960
02:58:33,130 --> 02:58:33,570
support.

1961
02:58:34,490 --> 02:58:46,250
So, just really quick, I won't take very long, but so, yeah, so really what they're there

1962
02:58:46,250 --> 02:58:50,530
is it's, thank you, it's an as-needed thing.

1963
02:58:50,530 --> 02:58:57,610
And so they will support any RFIs or questions during construction or design issues and so they're there just to help us

1964
02:58:57,610 --> 02:58:59,550
Solve any problems or construction

1965
02:59:00,170 --> 02:59:00,990
Go ahead

1966
02:59:01,890 --> 02:59:07,110
Tan general to this and I've communicated I think a copy to the mayor and a parks director

1967
02:59:07,610 --> 02:59:12,150
That play for all part once it's finally constructed and we start getting public usage

1968
02:59:12,150 --> 02:59:19,310
I'm pretty heavily involved in volunteering a lot of time to help maintain as a private citizen stewardship a part of the trail system

1969
02:59:19,310 --> 02:59:22,570
I think others of you have exposure to Rob Park too.

1970
02:59:22,790 --> 02:59:26,230
I continue to have a concern that people allow their dogs

1971
02:59:26,230 --> 02:59:27,650
to run free up there.

1972
02:59:28,310 --> 02:59:30,850
And I think once we have the very young

1973
02:59:30,850 --> 02:59:32,950
and the handicapped specifically coming

1974
02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:36,030
there as a destination, I don't know what we can do.

1975
02:59:36,150 --> 02:59:37,430
And I look at Mike, I know we're going

1976
02:59:37,430 --> 02:59:39,810
to be installing the new caretaker unit.

1977
02:59:40,090 --> 02:59:41,770
I don't know how we can enlarge.

1978
02:59:41,930 --> 02:59:44,070
What's particularly invigorating mayors,

1979
02:59:44,230 --> 02:59:46,350
we have a perfectly good dog park there,

1980
02:59:46,910 --> 02:59:48,610
one in the few in the city, right?

1981
02:59:48,610 --> 02:59:52,470
and people continue to insist to run their dogs free.

1982
02:59:52,950 --> 02:59:55,930
And they can get away from them and everybody thinks they're dog is special.

1983
02:59:56,350 --> 02:59:59,790
I'm not sure what, if anything, we can do on...

1984
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,960
And positive reinforcement that people need to leash up their dogs, but especially in front of handicapped elders and young people using that part. I can say that we could have code enforcement go up there or the police go up there, but I'm worried about we don't have enough police to do what we have right now, so it's good signage. Good signage, and I think people speaking to other people and saying, you know, you're not supposed to like

1985
03:00:29,960 --> 03:00:31,900
How much dog run free here? I know I do it.

1986
03:00:32,400 --> 03:00:38,440
What I imagine is a real positive way, like the caretaker, I don't know, volunteers can do this.

1987
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:44,420
But a little pre-printed sheet where please leash up your dog or the dog parts right there.

1988
03:00:44,880 --> 03:00:46,940
I'm not looking for punitive.

1989
03:00:47,480 --> 03:00:48,720
I'm looking for informative.

1990
03:00:51,520 --> 03:00:52,000
Go ahead.

1991
03:00:52,900 --> 03:00:53,180
Okay.

1992
03:00:53,760 --> 03:00:55,900
It's a common issue every single city faces.

1993
03:00:57,120 --> 03:01:00,120
And our partner cities around us have also approached us in different ways,

1994
03:01:00,120 --> 03:01:04,120
from enforcement, education, dog advisory committees, partnering with, um,

1995
03:01:04,460 --> 03:01:05,740
they have dog advisory committees?

1996
03:01:06,220 --> 03:01:06,760
Oh, yes.

1997
03:01:08,020 --> 03:01:09,900
Dogs advising? Could that be great?

1998
03:01:11,940 --> 03:01:16,700
I don't think I'm coming on that part, but there is, this is something that we can potentially

1999
03:01:16,700 --> 03:01:21,360
tackle, talk to the mayor, where how can we educate our community, signage doesn't solve

2000
03:01:21,360 --> 03:01:25,340
anything. It is helpful, but it doesn't solve everything. And if there was going to be

2001
03:01:25,340 --> 03:01:29,420
enforcement, how would it work? And we are not alone in this. It would just take some

2002
03:01:29,420 --> 03:01:33,940
time and we would want to by community members to weigh in because they're the ones who are

2003
03:01:35,880 --> 03:01:40,220
suffering or those who aren't dog owners from the irresponsible ones. But it is an issue

2004
03:01:40,220 --> 03:01:45,900
that is larger than who is sitting at this table and would take time and we would just need

2005
03:01:45,900 --> 03:01:49,540
direction from mayor on this and prioritize it whenever we could.

2006
03:01:49,900 --> 03:01:54,560
I'm still standing by a dog advisory committee. It's great because then they can weigh in about

2007
03:01:54,560 --> 03:01:58,040
talk about dog park improvements and meetups, and anyways, talking to a dog family.

2008
03:01:58,140 --> 03:02:02,620
Actually, I know that it's very annoying because my dog tends to be pretty reactive,

2009
03:02:03,160 --> 03:02:07,140
and he doesn't do well with other unleashed dogs, so I get it.

2010
03:02:07,360 --> 03:02:08,680
I understand the frustration.

2011
03:02:09,500 --> 03:02:10,480
I'm just not sure.

2012
03:02:11,180 --> 03:02:13,560
Especially before the play for all is installed.

2013
03:02:13,780 --> 03:02:15,500
I think that underlines it for me.

2014
03:02:16,360 --> 03:02:17,680
And I agree that, totally.

2015
03:02:17,860 --> 03:02:23,920
I, we've talked about this before, and I would go so far as the punitive,

2016
03:02:23,920 --> 03:02:49,900
except that I fear it would be exactly what the mayor talked about a meeting or two ago where we'd spend a lot of money to collect ten bucks and it'd be a lot of expense to do it, but quite honestly, even now with the dog fart there, you all know I live right down the hill, when it's open window season, I hear dog fights all the time coming from down from Rob Park.

2017
03:02:49,900 --> 03:02:56,840
So, it is an issue now when it's just folks up there as they are now.

2018
03:02:57,160 --> 03:03:00,280
I worry about the same thing when we expand that playground.

2019
03:03:01,960 --> 03:03:06,800
I would, if forming a dog advisory committee is the way to go, I'm in.

2020
03:03:07,960 --> 03:03:12,760
Because I think we should look at, you mentioned about doing a master park overlay for Rob.

2021
03:03:12,760 --> 03:03:24,620
It might be something we look at is Rob Park not a dog becomes not a dog friendly park in the future and we put that service somewhere else.

2022
03:03:25,440 --> 03:03:31,040
I don't know, okay, I think we've given proper direction to staff to focus on the problem.

2023
03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:33,380
I'm sorry, I'm getting tired, I'm getting giggly.

2024
03:03:33,580 --> 03:03:34,460
Pam, did you have a comment?

2025
03:03:35,120 --> 03:03:39,080
No, it covered, unfortunately, I will have to exit at 9 p.m.

2026
03:03:39,340 --> 03:03:41,720
I've been negotiating with my sitter.

2027
03:03:41,720 --> 03:03:50,540
So I think we can get through this. I think we're good. Okay. All right. So we have the amendment to the rock park

2028
03:03:50,540 --> 03:03:58,280
Which is it and that's go forward in peace. I think this is the $20,000 discrepancy is this $20,000. I think that's why your slides don't

2029
03:03:58,280 --> 03:04:10,060
Lie down. You might be right. Yes. Thank you. So if with concurrence, we'll bring it back on consent agenda. Yes, on consent. Thank you. Okay. Now we have adoption of the six-year TIP tip

2030
03:04:16,640 --> 03:04:23,760
I asked April to come up and present this with me, so just to circle back, I really got

2031
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:31,100
to give April a lot of credit as well with all the grants and things like that and managing

2032
03:04:31,100 --> 03:04:35,520
this stuff and especially with the workload that particularly like I've had and our department

2033
03:04:35,520 --> 03:04:41,940
us had here recently. April has been a godsend so I just want to give her quick

2034
03:04:41,940 --> 03:04:48,320
kudos. So we are here tonight. We do this every year where we update our tip.

2035
03:04:48,620 --> 03:04:57,060
It's our transportation improvement plan. So it's required by RCW 3577 and 4726

2036
03:04:57,060 --> 03:04:59,900
to maintain this tip.

2037
03:05:00,270 --> 03:05:30,250
And it's only projects that are included in the tip that were eligible to go out and receive federal or state funding for grant applications. And so when we look at projects, it has to be a federally classified street as well to be on this list. So just to quickly highlight from the changes from our 2024 or last year tip. Really, we updated some of the project budgets due to current bidding climates and construction costs.

2038
03:05:30,930 --> 03:05:39,650
And we removed a couple projects that we completed or have started in 2024, so they fall off the list because it's a 2025 starting list.

2039
03:05:41,370 --> 03:05:50,090
Josh, how do you escalate pricing? Are you using CIP or some other standard to automatically update them in that regard?

2040
03:05:50,090 --> 03:05:54,770
Well, we try not to just apply just an inflationary thing.

2041
03:05:55,310 --> 03:06:00,730
When we look at years out, we will apply an inflationary thing.

2042
03:06:01,070 --> 03:06:04,710
But when we come back each year and we look at these, we like to reset them.

2043
03:06:05,250 --> 03:06:08,090
So in 2025, I look at the new $20.25.

2044
03:06:08,430 --> 03:06:12,070
If I'm looking out at 2030, I reprogram now with some inflation.

2045
03:06:13,230 --> 03:06:17,170
So this is the list of our projects on our tip.

2046
03:06:17,170 --> 03:06:21,170
Now, this does not mean necessarily that we will do all of these projects.

2047
03:06:21,370 --> 03:06:24,490
These are kind of our wish list of projects over the next six years.

2048
03:06:24,650 --> 03:06:26,550
They're not necessarily reasonably funded.

2049
03:06:27,030 --> 03:06:33,570
We maintain our reasonably funded projects on our CIP list, but these are all projects that

2050
03:06:33,570 --> 03:06:38,410
we would like to do and maybe go out and receive or apply for grant funding on.

2051
03:06:39,070 --> 03:06:44,110
Rather than we run down the list here, all of the, there's no new projects on the list.

2052
03:06:44,110 --> 03:06:52,490
Just like I said, we just removed a couple projects, particularly Null Road 3A, 3B, and

2053
03:06:53,740 --> 03:06:55,040
I think that might be it.

2054
03:06:57,340 --> 03:06:58,400
So this is a map.

2055
03:06:59,000 --> 03:07:00,020
Oh, sorry Pam, yeah, go ahead.

2056
03:07:00,220 --> 03:07:01,900
I'm awake, I am here.

2057
03:07:03,040 --> 03:07:08,600
If I recall correctly, weren't you, was some work being done on streets regarding ADA compliance?

2058
03:07:08,820 --> 03:07:10,080
Is that something separate else?

2059
03:07:10,260 --> 03:07:14,080
So that is folded in, because it wasn't that 24?

2060
03:07:14,680 --> 03:07:15,180
Correct.

2061
03:07:17,420 --> 03:07:32,380
So, we do have an ADA project that was separate on here and we are still working on design and trying to get that out to advertisement dis fall, but since we will start construction in 24, it falls off the 25 list.

2062
03:07:32,380 --> 03:07:47,560
So we do still have on here our ADA improvements, and that's still a city wide, because we still have an obligation by our ADA transition plan to still continually look at our ADA deficiencies and provide upgrades.

2063
03:07:51,270 --> 03:08:00,750
You could just, as you go, kind of discuss how much this list actually commits us to versus a guide, like a view.

2064
03:08:00,750 --> 03:08:06,010
You know, yeah, this list does not commit us to anything whatsoever.

2065
03:08:06,590 --> 03:08:14,710
It is not until we go out and get a grant, then where we receive funds and we're tied to that funding their grant application.

2066
03:08:14,990 --> 03:08:22,750
My understanding is that we don't have certain things on this broader list, then we might box ourselves in later.

2067
03:08:23,010 --> 03:08:25,070
Is that 100% correct?

2068
03:08:25,290 --> 03:08:28,270
Like, so we have to build this big list, and it's certainly not a comment.

2069
03:08:28,270 --> 03:08:30,270
And so you'll see a few projects on here

2070
03:08:30,270 --> 03:08:33,390
that maybe you're a little bit vague and are not super defined.

2071
03:08:34,230 --> 03:08:37,070
And that's exactly it because there's citywide things

2072
03:08:37,070 --> 03:08:39,990
that allow us the flexibility that if there's a certain grant

2073
03:08:39,990 --> 03:08:42,150
or a certain need that pops up,

2074
03:08:42,650 --> 03:08:45,510
we can pick it off of this list and lean on it

2075
03:08:46,030 --> 03:08:47,490
to be able to go after that grant.

2076
03:08:49,710 --> 03:08:49,990
Yes, sir.

2077
03:08:50,710 --> 03:08:51,990
Um, thank you.

2078
03:08:52,850 --> 03:08:53,950
Just two things.

2079
03:08:54,370 --> 03:08:59,350
One, I'm happy to see the Fjord Drive traffic calming

2080
03:08:59,350 --> 03:09:01,410
and pedestrian improvement is still on here.

2081
03:09:01,590 --> 03:09:02,870
I haven't mentioned that in a while,

2082
03:09:02,870 --> 03:09:06,650
so I just wanted to amplify that that is still on the list

2083
03:09:06,650 --> 03:09:08,470
and I think it's still a critical need.

2084
03:09:09,710 --> 03:09:11,790
And then, Josh, I'm wondering, you know,

2085
03:09:11,930 --> 03:09:14,770
what the good news about the 2 million plus

2086
03:09:14,770 --> 03:09:17,550
in funding now for a third avenue.

2087
03:09:18,150 --> 03:09:20,990
Can you give us just kind of your best estimate

2088
03:09:20,990 --> 03:09:23,130
on when we might be able to break ground on that project?

2089
03:09:23,630 --> 03:09:26,390
Yeah, so the funding that we received is 2027.

2090
03:09:26,390 --> 03:09:31,130
And now, if there's by chance that we get it designed

2091
03:09:31,130 --> 03:09:34,910
in a spot earlier, we may be able to request to move the funds

2092
03:09:34,910 --> 03:09:38,850
up a year, an early obligate, which is what we just saw

2093
03:09:38,850 --> 03:09:40,410
in the last presentation for 3B.

2094
03:09:40,590 --> 03:09:43,170
We moved it forward a year, and they actually gave us more money.

2095
03:09:43,850 --> 03:09:45,790
If we can get through the design fast enough,

2096
03:09:46,310 --> 03:09:47,190
that's what we would do.

2097
03:09:47,350 --> 03:09:48,830
We would ask to move it forward.

2098
03:09:49,110 --> 03:09:50,710
But we do have to go through 27.

2099
03:09:51,310 --> 03:09:51,530
Correct.

2100
03:09:51,710 --> 03:09:54,290
We do have a need for process to go through

2101
03:09:54,290 --> 03:09:58,810
that is super slow now for the permitting process.

2102
03:10:04,780 --> 03:10:28,780
Okay, so I just, we put this map together just to highlight the projects and really where they're at. This is, you know, just in map form. It's the same list that you just saw. What you see up in the top right is the city wide projects. Again, these are the project projects that are a little bit generic in terms that we can go back to if we need to have some specific pops up.

2103
03:10:33,010 --> 03:10:33,590
That I would

2104
03:10:33,590 --> 03:10:38,570
entertain any questions process wise we will need to come back and hold a public

2105
03:10:38,570 --> 03:10:43,450
hearing to adopt this so in your packet was a resolution that's just for

2106
03:10:43,450 --> 03:10:46,510
your review once we go through the public hearing and that's when we'll

2107
03:10:46,510 --> 03:10:53,080
adopt that resolution. All right any questions for Josh okay just with third

2108
03:10:53,080 --> 03:10:58,320
avenue are we going to discuss again um design because then we talked about

2109
03:10:58,320 --> 03:11:03,280
for um designer third avenue could very well be driven by what we want to do on

2110
03:11:03,280 --> 03:11:09,000
the front street. Yes, so it's a great question. Right now, April and I were just talking about

2111
03:11:09,000 --> 03:11:16,160
that today. I think it's on the agenda for next week to do a third avenue update. I'm hoping

2112
03:11:16,160 --> 03:11:21,200
to maybe bring that to you, but I'm really busy and I'm not sure I can get the presentation

2113
03:11:21,200 --> 03:11:25,740
together for you guys, so I might need to push that back out to a little bit later in June

2114
03:11:26,180 --> 03:11:32,860
and present the concepts that we have also at our council retreat. We talked about looking

2115
03:11:32,860 --> 03:11:38,400
that the one weighing a little bit more and how to treat front street so we're working

2116
03:11:38,400 --> 03:11:44,780
with our consultant right now on a scope amendment and a budget for that that if I can get

2117
03:11:44,780 --> 03:11:48,320
work through then I will bring that as well at the end of June.

2118
03:11:49,100 --> 03:11:50,860
Well, I'll have everybody else.

2119
03:11:51,120 --> 03:11:57,660
I would argue for waiting if it can include the front street aspect rather than hurrying

2120
03:11:57,660 --> 03:11:59,860
up to give us third without the front street.

2121
03:11:59,860 --> 03:12:07,200
Yeah, no right now. It looks like both of those will line up on maybe June 26th if there's room in the agenda all

2122
03:12:09,730 --> 03:12:11,050
right? So

2123
03:12:12,130 --> 03:12:19,190
You doing okay, Doug you've been in a little box for a long time. Okay. No bears. No

2124
03:12:23,250 --> 03:12:27,770
He's he's gonna be sunny all night. Excuse me. Go bears

2125
03:12:28,670 --> 03:12:31,610
Sen goes down at about one o'clock in the morning there.

2126
03:12:31,930 --> 03:12:35,830
Okay, engineering position review, salary and placement.

2127
03:12:36,890 --> 03:12:43,790
Hello, so you asked earlier about the engineering position.

2128
03:12:44,170 --> 03:12:45,030
So here we are.

2129
03:12:46,410 --> 03:12:54,110
So the mayor had actually asked for me to review the salaries for the entire engineering department.

2130
03:12:54,110 --> 03:13:01,230
And that really was because you graciously approved an engineering position, we did not

2131
03:13:01,230 --> 03:13:02,630
get any qualified applicants.

2132
03:13:03,130 --> 03:13:05,950
So we kind of went back and thought, what can we do?

2133
03:13:06,690 --> 03:13:12,550
And so I worked with the acting public work director, Josh Reigns, we looked at salaries,

2134
03:13:12,930 --> 03:13:14,770
we looked at organizational charts.

2135
03:13:15,330 --> 03:13:16,870
We kind of went outside the box.

2136
03:13:16,870 --> 03:13:21,350
We looked at the City of Burmerton, we've never done that before, but the mayor said, look

2137
03:13:21,350 --> 03:13:25,410
at the city of Burmerton so we're probably going to be a little bit above average before

2138
03:13:25,410 --> 03:13:30,730
we've always been the average of our comparable cities and so that might bring us up a little

2139
03:13:30,730 --> 03:13:40,330
bit more. And so what we have the recommendations after doing that review is to move the city

2140
03:13:40,330 --> 03:13:46,950
engineer position to range 31, move the civil engineer position to range 24 and that is on

2141
03:13:46,950 --> 03:13:52,590
the management schedule. And then on the teamster schedule, move the engineer three position

2142
03:13:52,590 --> 03:14:00,050
to range 30 and then create a new engineer four position on a new range 34. So you might

2143
03:14:00,050 --> 03:14:05,470
go, well, if we have a civil engineer, why do we create a new engineer four position? It's

2144
03:14:05,470 --> 03:14:11,290
because our teamsters actually have some benefits that the managers do not. And so in order

2145
03:14:11,290 --> 03:14:15,910
to kind of keep this for retention for our teamsters.

2146
03:14:16,150 --> 03:14:17,910
We kind of decided to go that route.

2147
03:14:18,570 --> 03:14:21,350
Now the good news is is the engineer one and two

2148
03:14:21,350 --> 03:14:25,090
were pretty much right in range as were the tech positions.

2149
03:14:26,210 --> 03:14:30,490
So right now there's really not a cost to it,

2150
03:14:31,030 --> 03:14:33,470
but we would like to actually advertise

2151
03:14:33,470 --> 03:14:34,490
for a civil engineer.

2152
03:14:36,210 --> 03:14:38,830
Did I mention earlier how much I'm looking forward

2153
03:14:45,150 --> 03:14:50,690
We don't need just one engineer, we don't need two engineers, we need two and so I just

2154
03:14:50,690 --> 03:14:52,090
bore warning, go ahead Doug.

2155
03:14:52,790 --> 03:14:54,190
I curious, where do you advertise?

2156
03:14:54,190 --> 03:14:54,390
members.

2157
03:14:55,690 --> 03:14:59,690
We actually our city clerk.

2158
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,940
We did a lot of the advertising when we did for engineers, so I did not do the advertising for that last one. But we went on on government. Yeah, I can speak to some of that. So I know we've advertised on LinkedIn. We've advertised on APWA. We've posed indeed. And we've also the government jobs, the government jobs. I think there's even an advertise.

2159
03:15:29,940 --> 03:15:30,940
on Craigslist.

2160
03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:43,760
We did post on Facebook, but when it gets updated, poke at me, let me see if I can kick it out. Also, give it.

2161
03:15:45,680 --> 03:15:57,580
Yes, please share, I know that it's been posted on LinkedIn and maybe just to add just really quick. So the engineer for position is not a new FTE, it's not an adding a person, it's just adding a position on the salary chart.

2162
03:15:58,220 --> 03:16:07,160
really what we're hoping to do is open that range of what's available for different applicants to come in and apply for a position.

2163
03:16:08,260 --> 03:16:11,540
So to add also to what Deanna said, we didn't get any qualified applicants.

2164
03:16:12,160 --> 03:16:17,900
I went out and I did a little kind of survey of the local agencies hiring.

2165
03:16:17,900 --> 03:16:24,740
there was I think I counted 23 open engineering related positions within a

2166
03:16:24,740 --> 03:16:32,100
reasonable commuting distance of Paul's bow and on top of that two or three of

2167
03:16:32,100 --> 03:16:38,760
those agencies were offering hiring incentives yeah yeah I think the county

2168
03:16:38,760 --> 03:16:48,140
has a total of eight yeah but they I saw there and I think Mason County had five

2169
03:16:48,140 --> 03:16:49,720
Yeah, amazing county, yes, yeah.

2170
03:16:50,040 --> 03:16:53,540
So have you guys looked at potentially entry-level recruitment

2171
03:16:53,540 --> 03:16:55,620
out of college to groom them from that standpoint?

2172
03:16:55,960 --> 03:16:57,940
Yes, we are talking about that.

2173
03:16:57,980 --> 03:16:59,980
Yes, we are talking about that definitely

2174
03:16:59,980 --> 03:17:06,530
and really strong, yes, and I fully support that

2175
03:17:06,530 --> 03:17:09,070
and love to be able to bring a new engineer up

2176
03:17:09,070 --> 03:17:13,810
and build them up and teach in the right way and work with them.

2177
03:17:14,630 --> 03:17:17,290
But with our workload and everything

2178
03:17:17,290 --> 03:17:18,710
that we have right now.

2179
03:17:20,670 --> 03:17:21,110
Yes.

2180
03:17:21,550 --> 03:17:21,690
Yeah.

2181
03:17:24,550 --> 03:17:25,430
So if

2182
03:17:30,450 --> 03:17:36,350
we get what the mayor is talking about here in the second position sometime in

2183
03:17:36,350 --> 03:17:39,730
the future, that would definitely be where I would go with that position.

2184
03:17:44,720 --> 03:17:45,600
So we're.

2185
03:17:45,620 --> 03:17:48,140
I'd like to do another what I call a baby engineer.

2186
03:17:48,840 --> 03:17:54,260
Yeah, I think we're going to have to be creative in this standpoint because not only is the

2187
03:17:54,260 --> 03:17:59,200
County going out north going out next week too with capital projects engineering position

2188
03:17:59,200 --> 03:18:07,220
too. So there is, you want to work in Kitsip County in your space, you pick the people who

2189
03:18:07,220 --> 03:18:07,640
you like.

2190
03:18:10,140 --> 03:18:16,820
Yeah, I was going to ask them to talk about outside the box rather than necessarily going

2191
03:18:16,820 --> 03:18:23,400
much higher in salary which is a long-term cost. Have we looked at hiring bonuses or even

2192
03:18:23,400 --> 03:18:28,440
relocation bonuses so that we can look further afield and get someone who wants

2193
03:18:28,440 --> 03:18:32,960
to move here and so we're not competing with the same local pool or even just

2194
03:18:32,960 --> 03:18:37,620
the Western Washington because that would be a one-time class. So maybe we can

2195
03:18:37,620 --> 03:18:40,680
afford better. I'll speak to that just briefly and then the mayor probably could

2196
03:18:40,680 --> 03:18:46,900
talk a little bit more. Not not only the goal of this is of course I want to hire

2197
03:18:46,900 --> 03:18:53,040
an engineer. We need an engineer but with this much going on in our area and the

2198
03:18:53,040 --> 03:18:54,700
competitive salaries that we're seeing.

2199
03:18:55,340 --> 03:18:59,160
I knew we were behind and working with the mayor and Deanna

2200
03:18:59,920 --> 03:19:00,900
through this process.

2201
03:19:01,220 --> 03:19:03,720
We saw that we're behind in salaries.

2202
03:19:04,500 --> 03:19:07,960
So I want to remain competitive for our current staff as well

2203
03:19:08,380 --> 03:19:11,600
because with all of those available, yeah.

2204
03:19:12,080 --> 03:19:15,680
So that's one piece behind it and then I'll let the mayor

2205
03:19:15,680 --> 03:19:18,300
maybe talk a little bit about the hiring bonus stuff.

2206
03:19:18,600 --> 03:19:22,500
We're going to need two engineers and we want one

2207
03:19:22,500 --> 03:19:28,980
That's fully functional and then we're going to want another one that what I call a baby baby engineer recruiting on a college

2208
03:19:28,980 --> 03:19:35,980
Is stuff like that somebody we can train up. You've seen part of the workload tonight, you know all the projects we have going on

2209
03:19:35,980 --> 03:19:44,700
We really we need the staff and we do have the funding for it a lot of a lot of the wages can be built about against some of these projects

2210
03:19:44,700 --> 03:19:52,140
The the wonderful Rob Park project we had sixty five thousand dollars in there for supportive work for that particular

2211
03:19:52,140 --> 03:19:57,580
that particular project. So we have funding mechanisms to hire them, we just got to find them.

2212
03:19:57,580 --> 03:19:59,920
So yeah, yeah, I'm not I'm not

2213
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:29,740
Opposed to the salary changes. I'm just wondering if we can, if we have the ability to talk a little bit about some of the things coming in higher if we have the ability where we don't want to necessarily commit long term by trying to outspend it through salary. But if we can offer incentives, relocation, for example, to search much water, you know, search Midwest, search each coast. And maybe that would, you know, get someone who wants to move

2214
03:20:29,740 --> 03:20:31,640
with the Washington, but can't afford it.

2215
03:20:32,000 --> 03:20:33,940
Well, if we can make it affordable to move here,

2216
03:20:34,420 --> 03:20:37,560
maybe that'll help us because, like Doug said,

2217
03:20:37,860 --> 03:20:40,200
the competition is fierce right now.

2218
03:20:40,460 --> 03:20:44,140
So, you know, if that would get us somebody

2219
03:20:44,660 --> 03:20:47,380
that we wouldn't otherwise be able to employ,

2220
03:20:48,320 --> 03:20:49,180
it's a way to go.

2221
03:21:00,110 --> 03:21:01,930
So I can speak to that a little bit

2222
03:21:01,930 --> 03:21:03,350
and then the American add to it.

2223
03:21:03,570 --> 03:21:06,530
So we have discussed it quite a bit internally.

2224
03:21:08,270 --> 03:21:14,730
really the thought is it's unfair to our current staff, if I bring somebody in with a bonus

2225
03:21:14,730 --> 03:21:23,270
of $10,000, I wouldn't my current staff go to somebody else to get a $10,000 or $20,000

2226
03:21:24,030 --> 03:21:29,190
sign on bonus just so they get that fair shake or fair treatment.

2227
03:21:29,870 --> 03:21:35,830
So it's a consideration, we're trying to not go there to maintain fairness with all of

2228
03:21:35,830 --> 03:21:36,290
our staff.

2229
03:21:36,690 --> 03:21:44,130
I guess it seems like to me, if other areas are also offering these things, it really just

2230
03:21:44,130 --> 03:21:47,130
means to me that the competition is really that stiff.

2231
03:21:47,430 --> 03:21:53,390
So I mean, if people from out of state could still be applying to other nearby jurisdictions

2232
03:21:53,390 --> 03:22:01,390
offering those bonuses, but they're not filling the positions, then you know, it's just

2233
03:22:01,390 --> 03:22:08,470
When we did our police bonuses, we did a hiring bonus, but we did a retention bonus as

2234
03:22:08,470 --> 03:22:08,690
well.

2235
03:22:09,390 --> 03:22:15,810
We did both, okay, because when you do hiring bonuses, what happens is you're people that

2236
03:22:15,810 --> 03:22:16,470
are working for you.

2237
03:22:16,570 --> 03:22:17,610
What do they chop liver?

2238
03:22:18,110 --> 03:22:21,210
You know, they get a bunch more money to come in and do the work that you've been doing.

2239
03:22:21,450 --> 03:22:23,650
So I don't like hiring bonuses.

2240
03:22:24,250 --> 03:22:30,750
I like retention bonuses a lot, but I think relocation is a really good idea Rick and we'll take

2241
03:22:30,750 --> 03:22:39,330
I think relocation and yeah, I think we support what you want to do here, I think Rick is trying to give you another tool in terms of

2242
03:22:39,330 --> 03:22:46,570
the strictly relocation. Let's set the bonus issue aside and move forward. And make sure you tell them we're going to have a new

2243
03:22:46,570 --> 03:22:48,890
play for all park when you're right to add.

2244
03:22:50,490 --> 03:22:53,270
And we have an award-winning engineering department.

2245
03:22:54,930 --> 03:23:03,630
So can we also get concurrence because we currently have an approved engineer three position to go up to a civil engineer.

2246
03:23:04,710 --> 03:23:12,830
It's the benefits are already with the position and the majority of the cost is there if we could do that it would give us some a little bit more flexibility.

2247
03:23:17,240 --> 03:23:18,960
It is not in the budget.

2248
03:23:19,440 --> 03:23:21,620
No, it's in the packet.

2249
03:23:21,900 --> 03:23:23,460
That's part of what you're proposing tonight, right?

2250
03:23:23,920 --> 03:23:25,540
That's part of our request, yeah.

2251
03:23:25,540 --> 03:23:28,860
Okay. I just want to make sure you're not adding a new one next. I have an early read.

2252
03:23:28,980 --> 03:23:30,460
No. Okay. All right. Thank you.

2253
03:23:33,730 --> 03:23:40,530
And the next item is the salary and wages resolution, which will come forward on the

2254
03:23:40,530 --> 03:23:47,490
the agenda next week. And that will include all of these engineering positions as well as

2255
03:23:47,490 --> 03:23:53,890
a police department position that was already approved in the reorganization. So that one was

2256
03:23:53,890 --> 03:23:57,850
fast. I know you guys are really ready to get to the carry forward.

2257
03:24:01,310 --> 03:24:02,830
Thank you. Thank you, Council.

2258
03:24:19,940 --> 03:24:24,640
It's as you can tell, it's very, very busy right now. There's lots of stuff going on.

2259
03:26:04,530 --> 03:26:34,510
In 2024, carryover, budget amendment that we're discussing also referred to as beginning balance. We are resetting our beginning balances as we have the actual numbers completed for 2023. We're still continuing through the audit, but we're close enough to where we can figure these out. So we focus a lot on the general funds. So this is the big good news that you've been looking for. So we had a projected being an imbalance of 3,175,570.

2260
03:26:34,510 --> 03:26:41,770
$34. The actual beginning balance came in at $7,864 and $441.

2261
03:26:42,330 --> 03:26:45,270
With a difference of $4,000,000 and $36,000.

2262
03:26:46,350 --> 03:26:52,770
So I spend a lot of time looking at why our numbers are so different than what we expected.

2263
03:26:55,220 --> 03:26:58,740
We'll get there. Okay, I know. It's a little shocking.

2264
03:27:01,720 --> 03:27:04,300
Once we get through the numbers, we'll be able to see why.

2265
03:27:04,300 --> 03:27:14,940
So just reminding you how we started out, the budget beginning for revenues was $15,498,840.

2266
03:27:15,100 --> 03:27:23,460
The actual revenues came in at $18,7502 with a difference of $3,253,000.

2267
03:27:23,460 --> 03:27:27,760
Less our expenditures, we have projected at $18,043,000.

2268
03:27:27,760 --> 03:27:35,520
So we anticipated going into the 2023 budget utilizing $2,544,000 reserves.

2269
03:27:36,080 --> 03:27:43,020
Our expenditures came in at $16,740,000, so leaving that an actual difference for our

2270
03:27:43,020 --> 03:27:46,500
revenues exceeded our expenditures by about $2 million.

2271
03:27:47,080 --> 03:27:50,700
That is what gets to your difference of where we projected.

2272
03:27:51,820 --> 03:27:56,580
So we can see that we spent less than we thought and we brought in more than what we thought.

2273
03:27:56,580 --> 03:28:01,920
So, getting down to the very specific, I ran history reports of every expenditure in

2274
03:28:01,920 --> 03:28:04,600
the General Fund and the Revenue and General Fund.

2275
03:28:05,260 --> 03:28:07,080
So some of these are the differences.

2276
03:28:07,360 --> 03:28:09,380
These are differences of what we've projected.

2277
03:28:09,720 --> 03:28:12,640
So these aren't just the numbers of the actual revenues coming in.

2278
03:28:13,200 --> 03:28:19,280
So a large number that came in is our taxes, our property taxes, sales and utility taxes.

2279
03:28:19,960 --> 03:28:24,980
About 400, a little less than half a million dollars, was due to sales tax coming in higher

2280
03:28:24,980 --> 03:28:25,560
than rejected.

2281
03:28:25,560 --> 03:28:33,200
So the good news with that is we used almost all of our federal funds with ARPA and the

2282
03:28:33,200 --> 03:28:38,840
intent is we kept our, we funded those with people and expenditures and the hopes that

2283
03:28:38,840 --> 03:28:43,120
you did the revenue replenishment so that worked directly in line with what we anticipated

2284
03:28:43,120 --> 03:28:44,200
and what we shot for.

2285
03:28:44,520 --> 03:28:44,600
Yes.

2286
03:28:44,920 --> 03:28:46,500
Just real quick before I forget.

2287
03:28:46,880 --> 03:28:53,060
So that sales tax will also then down the road include the, each of those one tens of

2288
03:28:53,060 --> 03:28:56,080
will present potentially coming back to us as well.

2289
03:28:56,500 --> 03:28:56,620
No.

2290
03:28:56,780 --> 03:28:57,920
Where is that in that number?

2291
03:28:58,500 --> 03:29:00,920
This is strictly the sales tax and the general fund.

2292
03:29:01,400 --> 03:29:08,760
The sales tax that we put in for affordable housing and for your transportation benefit

2293
03:29:08,760 --> 03:29:11,520
district are accounted for in a special revenue fund.

2294
03:29:12,040 --> 03:29:14,480
So these are exclusive of those taxes.

2295
03:29:15,080 --> 03:29:19,860
I will say is we are very conservative in our budgeting and we've known and council has always

2296
03:29:19,860 --> 03:29:25,200
said in the direction of please don't project more in your sales tax than what you've collected

2297
03:29:25,200 --> 03:29:30,240
the prior year. Well, we're really in a budget in July, so really it's based on almost a year

2298
03:29:30,240 --> 03:29:37,320
and a half later. So these, although the sales tax is over projection, it is very close to what we

2299
03:29:37,320 --> 03:29:46,240
actually collected in 22. So we will build or 20, and so we will build the 25 budget with the much

2300
03:29:46,240 --> 03:29:50,720
entire number encompassing those, but that's a good thing to have, because we have grown

2301
03:29:50,720 --> 03:29:54,900
into those revenues supporting some of the ongoing expenditures, remembering that we have

2302
03:29:54,900 --> 03:29:57,980
planned on using reserves to fund us.

2303
03:29:58,440 --> 03:29:59,980
So, when we look at the sales time,

2304
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:28,460
Taxes, which is also tied to your criminal justice tax. And we also about utility taxes in much higher. As you see as the city is growing, we are bringing in more developments, which are collecting utility taxes, as well as the rising rate of utilities. I don't know about you all, but my utility bills have significantly increased. And so as those gross revenues increase, and so related does your utility taxes. Remind me where we're currently are with utility excise tax percentage.

2305
03:30:28,460 --> 03:30:34,400
The utility tax excise tax is 12% on everything with the exception of solid waste.

2306
03:30:37,400 --> 03:30:38,980
So in here is the big number.

2307
03:30:39,720 --> 03:30:44,360
This is your development fees, almost one and a half million dollars over projection.

2308
03:30:45,120 --> 03:30:49,040
That includes the Oslo development that we have just got going.

2309
03:30:49,520 --> 03:30:54,240
Those are usually one-time dollars, which also helps explain why we need a city engineer

2310
03:30:54,240 --> 03:30:55,780
because we have those developments.

2311
03:30:55,780 --> 03:30:59,960
We have collected those revenues and anticipation of expanding the funds later.

2312
03:31:00,540 --> 03:31:01,700
So that is a large number.

2313
03:31:02,460 --> 03:31:10,840
We have projected using one time, or we have projected over 23 and 24 using ARPA funds

2314
03:31:10,840 --> 03:31:13,960
of about 800,000 for each year.

2315
03:31:14,480 --> 03:31:19,600
With the federal treasury indicating that they were coming in to take any leftover funds,

2316
03:31:19,820 --> 03:31:22,660
I brought it to council and I said we need to spend all of it now.

2317
03:31:22,660 --> 03:31:31,300
So we had projected 400,000, we were able to gather of $450,000 more in federal funds than

2318
03:31:31,300 --> 03:31:36,380
we anticipated, and keeping in mind that $800,000 was a one-time revenue projection.

2319
03:31:36,880 --> 03:31:42,080
So that will reduce the revenue coming in 24, but we have expanded everything through March,

2320
03:31:42,320 --> 03:31:45,660
so we will not be in jeopardy of losing any of those treasury funds.

2321
03:31:45,800 --> 03:31:46,760
So that's the good news.

2322
03:31:47,860 --> 03:31:52,140
Federal and, again, the federal ARPA dollars, but we also received grant revenues.

2323
03:31:52,560 --> 03:31:57,380
As you know, the triple-H committee has been collecting grant dollars.

2324
03:31:57,740 --> 03:32:02,240
We also had some grant dollars replenishing us for some of the Null Road.

2325
03:32:02,360 --> 03:32:08,080
The Null Road tunnel and the Null Road roundabout was accounted for the General Fund because

2326
03:32:08,080 --> 03:32:09,380
we do not own those assets.

2327
03:32:09,940 --> 03:32:13,740
So we had been negotiating some of those revenues coming into the General Fund.

2328
03:32:13,740 --> 03:32:15,480
So those are some of the one-time dollars.

2329
03:32:16,720 --> 03:32:19,960
For detention center detention revenues,

2330
03:32:20,100 --> 03:32:21,740
we came in a little higher than we projected.

2331
03:32:22,240 --> 03:32:25,180
And a big number, which we always are very conservative on,

2332
03:32:25,220 --> 03:32:26,720
because we can't predict the market.

2333
03:32:27,300 --> 03:32:28,840
As we've been seeing last year,

2334
03:32:28,860 --> 03:32:33,020
we saw a loss in revenue over what we had gained the year before.

2335
03:32:33,400 --> 03:32:34,460
So we were under projection.

2336
03:32:34,840 --> 03:32:37,440
This year, we have a very proactive portfolio.

2337
03:32:37,600 --> 03:32:41,260
And if you've noticed on our quarterly variance,

2338
03:32:41,260 --> 03:32:43,480
and our pool keeps growing.

2339
03:32:44,860 --> 03:32:46,320
That's interesting, isn't it?

2340
03:32:46,440 --> 03:32:47,820
Sounds like a lightning out there.

2341
03:32:49,980 --> 03:32:53,340
It has our portfolio growth.

2342
03:32:53,580 --> 03:32:55,360
We're going to gain more investment earnings.

2343
03:32:55,900 --> 03:32:58,640
And the general fund always collects a fee

2344
03:32:58,640 --> 03:33:00,700
for investing for the other funds as well.

2345
03:33:01,260 --> 03:33:05,020
So our investment revenue is about $374,000 over projection.

2346
03:33:05,940 --> 03:33:08,440
Hopefully that will be continued, but we

2347
03:33:08,440 --> 03:33:10,620
will be using some of these funds going forward.

2348
03:33:10,620 --> 03:33:17,280
We'll in probably in the next two or three months, which we implant on we're going to be putting about four million dollars to the county to pay for some of those projects

2349
03:33:17,280 --> 03:33:23,400
We've shared it. So we will be taking down our portfolio some but we are very strong and cash flows right now

2350
03:33:24,360 --> 03:33:29,760
Some of the expenditures where we see savings is the wages and benefits. We've had some vacancies

2351
03:33:29,760 --> 03:33:37,040
You know, just be good at timing of replacing positions that we've approved people leaving leaving that vacant in between replacing them

2352
03:33:37,620 --> 03:33:44,000
We had established, when we set up the police budget to pay for the agreement that we have

2353
03:33:44,000 --> 03:33:51,220
with Kitsap 9-1-1 for the RMS policy, we had built a budget with all four years of support

2354
03:33:51,220 --> 03:33:55,860
in the first year and when we started evaluating, we said, oh, this is really a four year expenditure.

2355
03:33:56,460 --> 03:34:01,680
So we only expended one year and 23 and that's why we've had savings there.

2356
03:34:01,680 --> 03:34:06,840
JL costs as we've talked about we kept increasing that budget for many years

2357
03:34:06,840 --> 03:34:11,340
because we were exceeding that and we just haven't got up to those levels

2358
03:34:11,340 --> 03:34:17,440
again so we were about $262,000 less than we had in paid in JL costs probably

2359
03:34:17,440 --> 03:34:21,360
about three or four years ago so so for about two years you've seen those much

2360
03:34:21,360 --> 03:34:25,180
less in budget and I would assume going into 25 we'll be able to lower those

2361
03:34:25,180 --> 03:34:31,480
projections based on historical costs. Indirect allocation this is oh actually

2362
03:34:31,480 --> 03:34:37,740
And yes, well chief would you say that's true because some of that decrease is probably likely to

2363
03:34:38,380 --> 03:34:43,520
That drug crimes we're not crimes during part of that period and now they are again

2364
03:34:44,300 --> 03:34:47,580
So would you anticipate our drug our jail class?

2365
03:34:47,960 --> 03:34:59,520
Yeah, the law change has made most of those drug possession charges misdemeanors so they're they're not being booked in a county jail or at least kept there

2366
03:35:00,020 --> 03:35:28,220
So, I would say that we will continue to see probably this trend. So we value it. It might be higher than this year, but I would assume we of that 260,000 savings will be able to recognize some of that. I mean, we're hoping everyone chooses diversion. And this all becomes an H3 cost, but some folks are going to go to jail. There's not going to choose the version and folks that were not going to jail because of the change. And we do have jail costs. It just will be lower than we have been.

2367
03:35:28,220 --> 03:35:30,300
and you'll see in several years ago.

2368
03:35:31,060 --> 03:35:33,340
Also reminding us that we did a legal budget,

2369
03:35:34,380 --> 03:35:37,400
budget amendment mid-year projecting based on the trend

2370
03:35:38,100 --> 03:35:40,860
where a legal cost were and some big legal issues.

2371
03:35:41,020 --> 03:35:43,700
And in the end of the year, we used about $45,000 less

2372
03:35:43,700 --> 03:35:45,360
than we anticipated with that amendment.

2373
03:35:46,240 --> 03:35:48,120
Indirect allocation, this is the amount

2374
03:35:48,120 --> 03:35:50,920
that we charge our utility funds for providing service.

2375
03:35:51,360 --> 03:35:53,980
As the cost of operating those utilities,

2376
03:35:54,580 --> 03:35:57,220
it costs more money for us to support them.

2377
03:35:57,220 --> 03:36:00,620
and it all goes into a big formula, and what it did is it increased.

2378
03:36:02,300 --> 03:36:07,500
We have to go through, as the auditor said, so really it reduced our expenses because

2379
03:36:07,500 --> 03:36:10,940
we put those charges back to your utility funds.

2380
03:36:11,200 --> 03:36:15,200
So you will see your utility funds suffer a little bit because they're being hit, but the

2381
03:36:15,200 --> 03:36:19,440
cost to support those administratively for everything we do in the city, for those two

2382
03:36:19,440 --> 03:36:23,080
of these sets is the finance department provides a lot of support for that.

2383
03:36:23,120 --> 03:36:26,060
We do all of their billing, the engineering helps with their projects.

2384
03:36:26,060 --> 03:36:32,500
It all is a the council gets a portion of their budget charge back to that the mayor so we we have this huge formula

2385
03:36:32,500 --> 03:36:36,500
And I'm probably one of the only ones in the city that understand it with this red sheet

2386
03:36:36,500 --> 03:36:43,080
By the same token our special projects where whether it's health and human services or some of the federal

2387
03:36:43,780 --> 03:36:51,760
Transportation are you also in direct allocation or direct allocation to mayor or finance department on those projects?

2388
03:36:53,580 --> 03:37:01,060
The projects we usually charge directly by hours, but there are some costs within the

2389
03:37:01,060 --> 03:37:01,400
engineering.

2390
03:37:01,660 --> 03:37:06,460
So we figure out based on that indirect formula, so we look at how many projects, and

2391
03:37:06,460 --> 03:37:10,320
that's what you see fluctuation, are more of the projects being supported for governmental

2392
03:37:10,320 --> 03:37:13,740
nature, or more of the projects supported in utility fund nature.

2393
03:37:14,000 --> 03:37:18,200
So that's part of the formula is evaluating that, and those charges do come back to that

2394
03:37:18,200 --> 03:37:18,960
in a cloud chicenter.

2395
03:37:18,960 --> 03:37:22,420
And they all have different variables that we used to calculate this.

2396
03:37:22,820 --> 03:37:26,040
For the finance department, we actually look at our hours and our functions in time when

2397
03:37:26,040 --> 03:37:30,680
allocated to the public works for utilities and city hall.

2398
03:37:30,860 --> 03:37:33,900
We base it on square footage and the space that they occupy.

2399
03:37:34,600 --> 03:37:40,660
For council, I actually count up all of your agenda summaries to see how many we've supported

2400
03:37:40,660 --> 03:37:41,540
for public works.

2401
03:37:41,980 --> 03:37:45,940
Summer based on FTE, it's just different parameters.

2402
03:37:45,940 --> 03:37:50,640
And what happened with the auditors offers several years ago is they became very strict

2403
03:37:50,640 --> 03:37:54,820
on these because as general funds were suffering, they were seeing all of these formulas adjusted

2404
03:37:54,820 --> 03:37:55,780
to hit the utility.

2405
03:37:56,000 --> 03:38:00,640
So they wanted fair formulas and that's why we have this written policy and evaluated every

2406
03:38:00,640 --> 03:38:00,840
year.

2407
03:38:02,060 --> 03:38:08,000
So potentially could some of those engineering salary increases come out of the utility funds

2408
03:38:08,000 --> 03:38:09,800
because of the projects that they're working on?

2409
03:38:10,600 --> 03:38:16,460
But they're supporting the big developments and stormwater projects that Charlie brings us, et cetera.

2410
03:38:16,800 --> 03:38:20,460
Some of those projects are charged directly to the project.

2411
03:38:20,760 --> 03:38:25,240
So those exalries and wages are not posted into the engineering budget.

2412
03:38:25,760 --> 03:38:30,820
But some of the costs such as the overhead for the engineering department are cast on based on those projects.

2413
03:38:31,220 --> 03:38:38,540
So that begs the question of the utility excise tax calculation, which we debate as a policy,

2414
03:38:38,540 --> 03:38:41,760
a soft policy here on council about every three to four years.

2415
03:38:42,260 --> 03:38:46,460
Can you fill this in a little bit of perspective on that versus allocation of cost?

2416
03:38:47,080 --> 03:38:47,240
Okay.

2417
03:38:47,620 --> 03:38:49,460
Utility costs are different.

2418
03:38:49,740 --> 03:38:54,280
It is almost a business and occupation tax that we are charging to the utilities.

2419
03:38:55,140 --> 03:38:59,260
And so that is not based on the indirect allocation formula.

2420
03:38:59,720 --> 03:39:01,900
It's based on a percentage of your gross sales.

2421
03:39:02,460 --> 03:39:08,080
And so almost every utility with the exception of city utilities unless you go to a vote of

2422
03:39:08,080 --> 03:39:16,220
the people is 6% the solid waste, the water, the sewer, and the storm grain by council

2423
03:39:16,220 --> 03:39:18,000
has been bumped up to 12%.

2424
03:39:18,000 --> 03:39:22,900
And when we've evaluated these other cities, we found that we thought 12% was high but

2425
03:39:22,900 --> 03:39:26,340
actually we're pretty low and right in the middle of where they are.

2426
03:39:27,120 --> 03:39:35,500
When I have mentioned to public works is we utilize all of our neighbors and our friends within

2427
03:39:35,500 --> 03:39:37,120
in the whole state to figure out where they're going.

2428
03:39:37,620 --> 03:39:40,020
Solid waste is, we've capped at 6%,

2429
03:39:40,600 --> 03:39:43,300
but I think we do need to look at increasing that.

2430
03:39:44,000 --> 03:39:48,680
Other cities, for the sole fact that our garbage trucks

2431
03:39:48,680 --> 03:39:51,960
are probably the hardest vehicles on our city streets.

2432
03:39:52,740 --> 03:39:54,480
And we should be collecting that to recoup

2433
03:39:54,480 --> 03:39:56,620
some of our transportation, as is the support

2434
03:39:56,620 --> 03:39:59,940
of our city streets, but it has grown significantly.

2435
03:40:00,880 --> 03:40:25,260
The street light bills we continue to grow, the cost of dumping the streets we've been is significantly increased. And so we are, you know, those are some of the costs that are going into, to hit our taxpayers. And so that is a way to recoup some of that. So that was one of my suggestions, futures, looking at that when we're visiting Solid Waste, but Solid Waste is struggling by itself.

2436
03:40:25,260 --> 03:40:29,560
Well, Debbie's correct, it was some years ago Finance Committee, it was a long time ago.

2437
03:40:29,760 --> 03:40:34,200
Bremerton was as high as 25% on its utility XX tax.

2438
03:40:34,500 --> 03:40:38,200
Well, percent is a very, it's actually quite a lot of stuff in here in the industry.

2439
03:40:40,260 --> 03:40:45,460
Yeah, and we have talked about it almost every budget cycle, so it can be a visit again.

2440
03:40:45,680 --> 03:40:46,740
I tell you, hand go.

2441
03:40:46,860 --> 03:40:48,600
Oh, sorry, I thought every time we were going to hurry up.

2442
03:40:49,060 --> 03:40:50,720
So we have our increase in population.

2443
03:40:50,720 --> 03:40:57,600
So has there been a significant jump in that utility tax?

2444
03:40:57,960 --> 03:41:01,180
Is that showing to be an alignment with that?

2445
03:41:01,680 --> 03:41:05,460
That would exactly be in line because as our neighborhoods grow

2446
03:41:05,460 --> 03:41:09,580
and we provide more utilities to those, that revenue does grow

2447
03:41:09,580 --> 03:41:11,640
and so that does feed into that.

2448
03:41:11,840 --> 03:41:14,920
And then the developments that are still coming into fruition,

2449
03:41:15,660 --> 03:41:17,820
you know, there should be even more of a jump.

2450
03:41:18,440 --> 03:41:19,180
That's correct.

2451
03:41:19,180 --> 03:41:23,920
Yeah, that is correct, so that would support some of our general operations to that.

2452
03:41:24,520 --> 03:41:28,780
Also keep you in mind though when people talk about our growing, I just like to be really

2453
03:41:28,780 --> 03:41:36,020
clear on property taxes because the reason we went to utility tax increase is because all

2454
03:41:36,020 --> 03:41:39,440
of these neighborhoods when they say growth pays for growth, it does not pay for growth.

2455
03:41:40,200 --> 03:41:46,160
And when we talk about our property taxes by state legislator, we are capped at 1% above

2456
03:41:46,160 --> 03:41:47,460
our highest allowable levy.

2457
03:41:47,460 --> 03:41:52,520
What that equates to for the City of Palsville last year was a little over $30,000.

2458
03:41:53,100 --> 03:41:57,540
Now we've been able to increase that higher because we add new construction to those figures,

2459
03:41:58,020 --> 03:42:02,080
but eventually new construction, we know is going to slow, and I've been hearing from

2460
03:42:02,080 --> 03:42:07,140
many of my neighbors, we are, we are normally other areas, they're decreasing significantly

2461
03:42:07,140 --> 03:42:12,280
above our development revenues, and eventually we'll get there, but I just, that's part

2462
03:42:12,280 --> 03:42:16,240
of the reason that supplements that loss of what we're able to capture in property taxes

2463
03:42:16,240 --> 03:42:22,900
because property taxes are designed to support your streets and your parks, and $30,000 a year will not support those costs.

2464
03:42:30,260 --> 03:42:51,020
Thanks, so it's 8.45, Pam has indicated she needs to leave by 9, I'd love to leave by 9.2, I don't know if we're going to make that, but I just wanted to, if Pam, if we could maybe just give Pam the opportunity, you've seen the slides, are there any other questions that you, are the questions you have on the other slides that we want to make sure we're safe?

2465
03:42:51,020 --> 03:42:52,680
we get to before you have to leave.

2466
03:42:53,740 --> 03:42:56,180
No, thank you so much, Gary, for that consideration.

2467
03:42:56,580 --> 03:42:57,920
And actually, I'm going to have to step

2468
03:42:57,920 --> 03:43:01,040
out a little earlier than that somebody's very tired.

2469
03:43:01,500 --> 03:43:01,660
OK.

2470
03:43:02,220 --> 03:43:03,060
Well, that would be me.

2471
03:43:05,100 --> 03:43:06,180
I'll take you with me.

2472
03:43:06,320 --> 03:43:06,620
Thank you.

2473
03:43:06,840 --> 03:43:09,360
Do we need to make it through all this tonight

2474
03:43:09,360 --> 03:43:12,420
or could we pick it back up next week during the business

2475
03:43:12,420 --> 03:43:12,860
agenda?

2476
03:43:13,080 --> 03:43:14,720
What do we need to accomplish tonight?

2477
03:43:14,900 --> 03:43:17,740
I am flying out tomorrow morning to go to a conference.

2478
03:43:18,140 --> 03:43:20,660
So I will not be here next week.

2479
03:43:20,660 --> 03:43:22,560
And that means we're going to have a lot of money.

2480
03:43:24,140 --> 03:43:25,520
I guess what do we do?

2481
03:43:27,740 --> 03:43:29,640
Oh, there's an amendment that we have to start.

2482
03:43:29,900 --> 03:43:30,020
Right.

2483
03:43:30,160 --> 03:43:33,520
And the amendment will come forward, but it usually comes forward on consent.

2484
03:43:33,820 --> 03:43:36,300
But I what I need to know is we need to get through here,

2485
03:43:36,540 --> 03:43:39,720
and to see if your consensus on how we're allocating these carry-over.

2486
03:43:39,820 --> 03:43:42,860
Like because there are still expenditures that we need to talk about.

2487
03:43:42,900 --> 03:43:43,940
So why don't we get to that?

2488
03:43:45,480 --> 03:43:46,380
I'm trying my best.

2489
03:43:46,540 --> 03:43:49,720
I won't go through each one of these items.

2490
03:43:49,720 --> 03:43:51,560
but here are some items that are actually

2491
03:43:51,560 --> 03:43:53,480
from the general fund that will be carried over

2492
03:43:53,480 --> 03:43:57,380
for expenditures next year that are included in this amendment.

2493
03:43:58,100 --> 03:43:59,920
So you'll see that we still are carrying

2494
03:43:59,920 --> 03:44:03,800
over some professional services obligations

2495
03:44:03,800 --> 03:44:06,960
but it is much less than what we have in the carry-over dollars.

2496
03:44:09,260 --> 03:44:12,040
So looking at this, did you want me to go back in?

2497
03:44:13,860 --> 03:44:16,620
So looking at this, I just wanted to show you

2498
03:44:16,620 --> 03:44:19,220
where in 23 where the actual figures came out

2499
03:44:19,220 --> 03:44:28,080
in 24 in the projections, we have projected the 24 budget of utilizing reserve of 1,747,000.

2500
03:44:28,440 --> 03:44:32,060
So the good news is when we have that carryover, we will not have to utilize that.

2501
03:44:32,840 --> 03:44:38,360
So we would immediately propose reducing that and covering this with our carryover and not

2502
03:44:38,360 --> 03:44:40,180
utilizing reserves in 24.

2503
03:44:41,400 --> 03:44:46,740
But then also looking at when, and I will say is the mayor and I have had a brief discussion

2504
03:44:46,740 --> 03:44:53,080
And also attached in your agendas when you wanted to look at the list of what was requested

2505
03:44:53,080 --> 03:44:54,140
and put on the wait list.

2506
03:44:54,440 --> 03:44:59,600
What was included in this amendment and is covered is the cost of the police officer

2507
03:44:59,600 --> 03:44:59,980
sure you have.

2508
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:26,760
We discussed the cost of the city engineer, which we discussed, and there really was not a lot left over other than public works. And I know the mayor's had a conversation with them and their committees is we need to really look at their operations before we start funding those because some of the utilities are struggling and we need to get those comprehensive plans updated with the rates updated to support those. So it's not a not funded. Let's look at it and evaluate where we're at.

2509
03:45:29,340 --> 03:45:36,580
Yeah, I don't know if you're catching your breath or you're ready to keep pushing it just in a high

2510
03:45:36,580 --> 03:45:50,620
level. We've got a surplus this year. We projected a deficit. How frequent is it one way or the

2511
03:45:50,620 --> 03:45:58,900
Do we typically do better than expected how many years have we really needed reserves?

2512
03:45:59,160 --> 03:46:04,480
We typically do better than we expected, but not this level.

2513
03:46:05,020 --> 03:46:05,760
This is an extreme.

2514
03:46:05,840 --> 03:46:06,680
This is unusual.

2515
03:46:06,920 --> 03:46:08,040
This is highly extreme.

2516
03:46:08,480 --> 03:46:09,500
But it's development revenues.

2517
03:46:09,660 --> 03:46:09,980
What happened?

2518
03:46:10,360 --> 03:46:13,460
We got a lot of money from development revenues to the very end of the year.

2519
03:46:13,780 --> 03:46:13,920
Okay.

2520
03:46:13,980 --> 03:46:14,500
That's what happened.

2521
03:46:14,860 --> 03:46:20,340
It's $1.4 million in development revenues, above and beyond what we budgeted, because that's

2522
03:46:21,280 --> 03:46:27,400
So total year to date with that not being over budget, our development revenue is probably exceeded almost $2 million.

2523
03:46:27,900 --> 03:46:31,000
We used $800,000 of federal funds which now are gone.

2524
03:46:31,900 --> 03:46:33,800
So some of these, that's why I said it's one-time dollars.

2525
03:46:34,200 --> 03:46:40,300
So reminding us is the first thing that the recommendation is, is let's not use the reserves in 24.

2526
03:46:40,440 --> 03:46:42,300
Obviously we don't have to because we have that.

2527
03:46:42,840 --> 03:46:47,140
I mean, ultimately this money is going back to reserves, but we're utilizing it.

2528
03:46:47,140 --> 03:46:52,480
But the good news is some of these revenues you see are growing and that is going to greatly help us in 25.

2529
03:46:53,280 --> 03:46:58,840
We are planning what's nice in 25 as you guys have talked about getting the city administrator in in 25.

2530
03:46:59,420 --> 03:47:00,200
So we can fund that.

2531
03:47:00,500 --> 03:47:02,420
We can fund some one-time dollars.

2532
03:47:02,500 --> 03:47:06,440
I know you talked about some of the staffing levels which is nice and you guys can evaluate those.

2533
03:47:06,840 --> 03:47:11,300
It's to go forward because we can continue to go in and support those.

2534
03:47:12,140 --> 03:47:14,220
So we're in a good place.

2535
03:47:15,680 --> 03:47:21,640
So Doug, I can't remember a year where we didn't balance by projecting to take out a

2536
03:47:21,640 --> 03:47:26,140
reserve, but then never touched it as far back as I can remember.

2537
03:47:26,820 --> 03:47:29,220
And they're usually a lot closer than this.

2538
03:47:29,260 --> 03:47:36,960
I think one year or two years we maybe came, the one year, I think there is maybe one or

2539
03:47:36,960 --> 03:47:41,700
two years where we have used reserves to get us to the fund, but it's very knowingly because

2540
03:47:41,700 --> 03:47:43,740
as we try to utilize those for $1.

2541
03:47:44,000 --> 03:47:45,720
I think maybe one or two years,

2542
03:47:45,800 --> 03:47:48,380
our revenues did not exceed our expenditures.

2543
03:47:49,000 --> 03:47:50,560
But we project that pretty close,

2544
03:47:50,840 --> 03:47:52,340
because then when we project it,

2545
03:47:52,460 --> 03:47:53,860
we know where we're farther into the year

2546
03:47:53,860 --> 03:47:54,440
and we can trend.

2547
03:47:54,900 --> 03:47:57,500
And what's also hard to do is remember,

2548
03:47:57,660 --> 03:47:59,820
our sales tax is always two months behind.

2549
03:48:00,240 --> 03:48:01,880
So I don't know what our sales tax are

2550
03:48:01,880 --> 03:48:05,120
until the end of February to good those into December,

2551
03:48:05,580 --> 03:48:08,360
because the state auditor said your sales tax

2552
03:48:08,360 --> 03:48:10,460
in February applies to the prior year.

2553
03:48:10,460 --> 03:48:13,700
So we're continuing to play in an estimating game when they come in higher.

2554
03:48:14,060 --> 03:48:15,840
So a question for you in the mayor.

2555
03:48:16,480 --> 03:48:20,920
With all due respect to the 2023 audit that's wrapping up.

2556
03:48:21,540 --> 03:48:24,600
This is a little late getting the carry forward numbers.

2557
03:48:24,860 --> 03:48:26,160
So we've talked about engineering.

2558
03:48:27,420 --> 03:48:27,860
Yeah.

2559
03:48:28,400 --> 03:48:33,840
It's, it's only maybe, it's not that late, it's a couple weeks late but not that late, yeah.

2560
03:48:34,080 --> 03:48:38,220
We talked about engineering, we talked about police, have we talked about the need to

2561
03:48:38,220 --> 03:48:40,920
in fill on the financial side.

2562
03:48:41,120 --> 03:48:42,500
Well, that's what we're talking about.

2563
03:48:42,500 --> 03:48:44,800
So we can be a little more timely and support day,

2564
03:48:44,980 --> 03:48:45,860
not as a criticism.

2565
03:48:46,120 --> 03:48:48,340
We just hired, we just put offers out

2566
03:48:48,340 --> 03:48:51,060
to two more people in finance, okay.

2567
03:48:51,600 --> 03:48:54,120
One that will be administering the B&O tax,

2568
03:48:54,300 --> 03:48:55,820
which was part of the B&O tax,

2569
03:48:56,000 --> 03:48:57,840
and then of course we've lost a person,

2570
03:48:58,040 --> 03:49:01,120
so we needed to backfill that position.

2571
03:49:02,540 --> 03:49:04,940
We're gonna need an additional engineer above

2572
03:49:04,940 --> 03:49:06,500
and the one we talked about.

2573
03:49:06,500 --> 03:49:09,020
I mean, we just saw all those projects coming forward.

2574
03:49:09,320 --> 03:49:09,660
We're brilliant.

2575
03:49:09,940 --> 03:49:12,120
That's the baby engineer I was talking about.

2576
03:49:12,600 --> 03:49:13,880
Something higher out of school.

2577
03:49:14,080 --> 03:49:15,120
We need another engineer.

2578
03:49:16,100 --> 03:49:17,160
We need another cop.

2579
03:49:17,980 --> 03:49:19,200
We have to have another cop.

2580
03:49:21,440 --> 03:49:25,280
So additionally, we need to have,

2581
03:49:25,360 --> 03:49:27,460
I think we need to have about $30,000

2582
03:49:27,910 --> 03:49:29,120
to finish our parking study.

2583
03:49:29,320 --> 03:49:29,860
That's not here.

2584
03:49:31,520 --> 03:49:36,060
And the other thing is, I was going to say,

2585
03:49:36,060 --> 03:49:40,660
I will look at your staffing when we talk a solid waste and I'm serious.

2586
03:49:41,260 --> 03:49:48,140
We've been babysitting solid waste for far too long when you'd have a serious conversation about our ability to do solid waste in the future.

2587
03:49:49,020 --> 03:49:59,740
But I am going to get a little defensive to Mr. Stern because it's not that late, I think you've heard it before when we went to Finance Committee.

2588
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:29,840
But I also want to say, as we are fully implementing to be in no tax that we have never done before. We also, if you look at the number of grants, we never had a triple H program and the number of grants going through and the work created that is significant. So I will say a little defensively, it's not just because of that. It's the increased workload that we continue to get. So yeah, and we're trying to hire up and get there, but it's taking time. Even with two new people coming on, I've got a training period of six months to a year before.

2589
03:50:29,840 --> 03:50:38,020
they're going to be at the speed. What you've just seen tonight and really intense presentations

2590
03:50:38,020 --> 03:50:42,740
is the workload that's going on right now and we are. I think what happened is we did

2591
03:50:42,740 --> 03:50:47,880
nothing much happened for about two and a half years during the pandemic two years and we

2592
03:50:47,880 --> 03:50:53,160
had all of these grant obligations on all this funding. Yes, we got to Johnson Parkway done but

2593
03:50:53,160 --> 03:50:58,520
all of these other projects just were sitting there and then all of a sudden now that they've

2594
03:50:58,520 --> 03:51:04,740
come do, we are short staff and we need to hire more people in to get the work done.

2595
03:51:05,240 --> 03:51:08,940
And the grants, I mean, are a great thing, but we used to have two pages of grants, and

2596
03:51:08,940 --> 03:51:12,020
I just ran it tonight and we have five pages of grants, five pages of grants.

2597
03:51:12,340 --> 03:51:12,540
So, yeah.

2598
03:51:13,060 --> 03:51:19,740
And I hear you and I totally appreciate it, yeah, no, I appreciate that, but yeah, it's not

2599
03:51:19,740 --> 03:51:20,840
just that.

2600
03:51:21,080 --> 03:51:23,000
It's everybody is on overwhelm.

2601
03:51:23,160 --> 03:51:25,300
We're a wash and money and we're short people.

2602
03:51:25,300 --> 03:51:30,420
So, one special request, and I'm going to state the obvious that most of us know, with

2603
03:51:30,420 --> 03:51:36,540
this, I'll call it extra money, the carry forward beginning balance, if we can encapsulate

2604
03:51:36,540 --> 03:51:42,720
our needs and get it in on the budget process, what I get scared about is January through

2605
03:51:42,720 --> 03:51:48,200
June when we hear about one off, great things, but we don't have that yardstick to prioritize

2606
03:51:48,620 --> 03:51:53,340
and balance, and I'd really like Mayor to veer away from that.

2607
03:51:53,340 --> 03:51:57,240
Well, you know, the problem we have here is, we just came forward and told you we have

2608
03:51:57,240 --> 03:51:59,340
an extra $2 million, okay?

2609
03:51:59,860 --> 03:52:03,600
I would have really liked to use that about halfway through the year to hire more people

2610
03:52:03,600 --> 03:52:06,580
because we're dying for a lack of personnel.

2611
03:52:07,220 --> 03:52:13,860
So while I understand you want to have that constraint of the budget, and I get that, on

2612
03:52:13,860 --> 03:52:16,200
the other hand, we have ever increasing workflows.

2613
03:52:16,600 --> 03:52:17,720
We don't have enough staff.

2614
03:52:17,980 --> 03:52:19,920
I think that should be pretty apparent to you right now.

2615
03:52:19,920 --> 03:52:24,760
So, it is a balancing act, okay?

2616
03:52:24,980 --> 03:52:29,300
It is responding to opportunities, a funding,

2617
03:52:30,040 --> 03:52:33,820
it is responding to necessities of communities' desires,

2618
03:52:34,520 --> 03:52:37,900
and then being able to implement in a strategic way.

2619
03:52:38,300 --> 03:52:39,880
And so, we're doing this all the time.

2620
03:52:40,280 --> 03:52:43,660
And I do have to say, as I know the mayor hates me seeing this,

2621
03:52:44,160 --> 03:52:46,180
but much of this is one-time revenues.

2622
03:52:46,180 --> 03:52:50,860
And you do not want to fund people that the good news is not all of its one-time revenues.

2623
03:52:51,220 --> 03:52:55,620
So we're growing into that revenue stream to support us and these projects that we are

2624
03:52:55,620 --> 03:52:59,380
bringing in with this one-time revenue will generate future sales tax.

2625
03:52:59,760 --> 03:53:01,480
So the good news is we're in a growing place.

2626
03:53:01,840 --> 03:53:05,640
And I will say, as we do the quarterly variance reports, and we've been showing you our cash

2627
03:53:05,640 --> 03:53:10,780
is growing, our portfolio is growing, but it's so overwhelming when you hear it, I don't

2628
03:53:10,780 --> 03:53:13,480
think the full picture gets through that we're really doing.

2629
03:53:13,480 --> 03:53:18,460
I mean, finance, you know, finance is, it's great for us, but not everybody gets it, so.

2630
03:53:19,420 --> 03:53:19,800
Okay.

2631
03:53:21,460 --> 03:53:27,580
I've mentioned this to the mayor and to Deb, and you know, first of all, and we should just make sure

2632
03:53:27,580 --> 03:53:30,200
everybody's clear, this is a really good problem they have.

2633
03:53:30,540 --> 03:53:30,600
Yeah.

2634
03:53:30,600 --> 03:53:30,900
Okay.

2635
03:53:31,120 --> 03:53:32,620
Really good problem they have.

2636
03:53:33,640 --> 03:53:42,480
But I do think that it's sort of highlights that I think we need to have more collaboration and

2637
03:53:42,480 --> 03:53:49,240
coordination between staff and council, you know, the budget is one of the council's most important responsibilities.

2638
03:53:50,140 --> 03:54:00,080
And I believe that we should form a budget advisory group, not a committee, a group that would meet periodically,

2639
03:54:00,760 --> 03:54:05,540
to engage in more depth with staff, try to anticipate these things to the mayor's point.

2640
03:54:05,540 --> 03:54:09,760
We've been kind of living in poverty throughout the year when we didn't really need to.

2641
03:54:10,500 --> 03:54:15,020
Maybe if we were working a little bit more closely together, we could kind of, we could help with that.

2642
03:54:15,700 --> 03:54:20,180
So anyway, I really think that we should seriously pursue that.

2643
03:54:20,700 --> 03:54:25,960
I think it would be, I think it would be great for the city if we could collaborate more closely on this.

2644
03:54:25,960 --> 03:54:36,980
So part of the problem is that we have depth short-stacked and huge workloads and we don't

2645
03:54:36,980 --> 03:54:39,640
have, the reporting is, is tough.

2646
03:54:40,300 --> 03:54:45,680
We should have budget to actual on a quarterly basis so that we don't, this is kind of surprise.

2647
03:54:46,040 --> 03:54:49,600
This is a good surprise, but it could be a bad surprise, okay?

2648
03:54:49,940 --> 03:54:51,160
I mean, that's the problem.

2649
03:54:51,160 --> 03:54:54,020
And so, you know, we need to have budget

2650
03:54:54,020 --> 03:54:55,980
stacks, what I was talking to Deb about that,

2651
03:54:56,040 --> 03:54:57,100
how we could go about it.

2652
03:54:57,300 --> 03:54:59,520
That's not an easy thing to do with her software.

2653
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:19,760
And we're working with older software. Was it 15, 18 years old? Yeah, you probably will see a request come through for next year. But I do say is we do have quarterly budget to actual. They just maybe are not answering the questions that you want. So it would be. We'll work on some of the reporting. But it.

2654
03:55:22,160 --> 03:55:31,640
I don't want to I don't want to say conversion because it gets enough to make many account and put some meltdown because they're so difficult to do. But we're going to have to address some of our software.

2655
03:55:31,640 --> 03:55:35,780
issues here in the next couple of years. So anyway, okay.

2656
03:55:36,480 --> 03:55:41,840
Yeah, it almost sounds scary like you're suggesting in a limited way we bring back the finance

2657
03:55:41,840 --> 03:55:48,240
committee and that might not be a bad thing, just that one committee because finance is such a

2658
03:55:48,240 --> 03:55:53,240
significant role. But not like it was a regular every week like the committee's met before, but

2659
03:55:54,080 --> 03:56:00,180
quarterly or monthly or something. But I agree, like, you know, what you were saying before.

2660
03:56:00,180 --> 03:56:07,300
Or because what I'm hearing more than anything is things that we thought we needed the B&O

2661
03:56:07,300 --> 03:56:10,580
tax to pay for, we're in paying for already.

2662
03:56:11,180 --> 03:56:15,200
And now the money that's going to come in from that tax is available for other things

2663
03:56:15,200 --> 03:56:18,480
like additional and staff to cops, things like that.

2664
03:56:19,780 --> 03:56:24,220
Because this money is already kind of know where we're going and we don't really know

2665
03:56:24,220 --> 03:56:25,100
where that's going to go yet.

2666
03:56:26,500 --> 03:56:32,460
I don't need to interrupt but remembering that over two million of this dollars is one

2667
03:56:32,460 --> 03:56:33,120
time dollars.

2668
03:56:33,840 --> 03:56:38,240
So, when you're committing to people, you're committing to ongoing cough and that's

2669
03:56:38,240 --> 03:56:38,980
what we're setting up.

2670
03:56:39,040 --> 03:56:43,220
But some of the V&O is going to go to as your person to manage it, the city administrator,

2671
03:56:43,580 --> 03:56:46,740
potentially administrative staff for the mayor and administrator.

2672
03:56:48,020 --> 03:56:53,320
That wasn't, you know, that much of it seems like it's covered already through what's

2673
03:56:53,320 --> 03:57:00,040
going to be ongoing, the one time could go towards improving your software and improving

2674
03:57:00,040 --> 03:57:04,320
this, you know, maybe an exponential increase down the road of what you can do.

2675
03:57:04,980 --> 03:57:09,840
What I was going to say to is, with all the staffing issues, you know, the Mayor of

2676
03:57:09,840 --> 03:57:16,040
December tonight, we know we arrested 13,000 and I don't know from not being on the council

2677
03:57:16,040 --> 03:57:22,120
for that long and a lot of us are newer, you know, we know where are our populations

2678
03:57:22,120 --> 03:57:27,160
that now, but how much is our staff increased proportionally to that population increase?

2679
03:57:27,740 --> 03:57:36,280
So maybe some some point numbers of, you know, when we had a city of 5,000, we had this many staff.

2680
03:57:36,740 --> 03:57:44,180
And now we're at 13,000 and we have this many staff because if we don't increase the staff to support the increased population, this is going to continue to be a problem.

2681
03:57:44,180 --> 03:57:49,960
And some of my suggestions too is when looking at this is we are going up with labor

2682
03:57:49,960 --> 03:57:53,820
negotiations and maybe updating some of our comparables as we grow.

2683
03:57:54,640 --> 03:57:59,780
Number two is we have held departments to bottom line budgets without any increases

2684
03:57:59,780 --> 03:58:04,160
without unless we ask for a $500 travel request which we said no to.

2685
03:58:04,460 --> 03:58:06,160
We need a $250 supply request.

2686
03:58:06,560 --> 03:58:10,780
Maybe it's time because I will tell you the cost of travel and training and supplies is not

2687
03:58:10,780 --> 03:58:15,600
decrease. It's probably going up 40%. And I think maybe some of the things we need to do are

2688
03:58:15,600 --> 03:58:20,000
fund some of those ongoing operations and get those expense levels to where they be first.

2689
03:58:20,460 --> 03:58:25,540
And maybe that's when we go to the budget cycle is saying every department or every operating

2690
03:58:25,540 --> 03:58:30,700
budget should be increased a certain certain percentage. Because I still get nervous that we did

2691
03:58:30,700 --> 03:58:34,200
balance the budget with a deficit. Some of those one-time dollars is covering it.

2692
03:58:40,320 --> 03:58:40,760
Some of those

2693
03:58:40,760 --> 03:58:42,900
And I will say, Palsible is very isolated.

2694
03:58:43,100 --> 03:58:50,600
We are very lucky, but they are predicting a definite economic downturn.

2695
03:58:50,600 --> 03:58:54,320
They said the consumer spending is not as competent anymore, and so to prepare.

2696
03:58:54,820 --> 03:58:57,000
The good news with this is we are in a very good place.

2697
03:58:57,020 --> 03:59:00,540
We are planning to go out for debt, so we have some reserves.

2698
03:59:00,820 --> 03:59:03,960
We maybe don't have to go for debt as much, or we back fill in.

2699
03:59:03,960 --> 03:59:07,260
We have the money to make those debt payments over the years when we are not in a good place.

2700
03:59:08,020 --> 03:59:13,980
when we had planned to build the City Hall and utilize our first quarter of real estate

2701
03:59:13,980 --> 03:59:17,680
excise tax to pay for the City Hall debt and many years that revenue was not meeting

2702
03:59:17,680 --> 03:59:20,260
that debt payment and we were using the reserves to meet that.

2703
03:59:20,380 --> 03:59:24,520
So this leaves us a little comfort level and that's what you don't want to do.

2704
03:59:24,600 --> 03:59:26,440
You don't want to focus on just the year's years.

2705
03:59:26,920 --> 03:59:30,420
We want to look at a long-range plan and that's what we try to do when we try to build some

2706
03:59:30,420 --> 03:59:30,860
sustainability.

2707
03:59:31,640 --> 03:59:35,860
Now, do we maybe conservatively budget because we have this policy of not projecting higher

2708
03:59:35,860 --> 03:59:39,700
than the other year maybe it's and that's why I said is we could probably could bump up

2709
03:59:39,700 --> 03:59:44,240
our sales tax projection half a million dollars right now which sustained some of those ongoing

2710
03:59:44,240 --> 03:59:50,140
expenses. We did just hire some personnel and so this will hopefully sustain that but you

2711
03:59:50,140 --> 03:59:54,460
don't want to over over burn too but you've got to have a balance act because what's a healthy

2712
03:59:54,460 --> 03:59:59,960
level of reserves so you're right we don't want to keep going in to continue to to tax

2713
04:00:06,440 --> 04:00:29,920
We've got a couple big challenges facing us. This is a good surprise to have. Number one, we're also going into our labor agreements this spring. Well, this fall, really. Soon. Two months. We're going to have our labor agreements and you know that that's going to be very challenging. We're going to have a lot that's going to hit big, big cash. The second thing is we've got a bunch of dead issues.

2714
04:00:29,920 --> 04:00:38,120
we've got to make. And so having the extra cash is good to have. Although I will have been

2715
04:00:38,120 --> 04:00:45,020
I was surprised. I didn't know. And the reality is we could spend it tomorrow on fixing

2716
04:00:45,020 --> 04:00:52,100
the boardwalk, oyster plant park, and fixing roads and old town. It would be gone. Or buying

2717
04:00:52,100 --> 04:00:56,720
out the historical society and the building approaches for matching land. We want to do

2718
04:00:59,260 --> 04:01:09,580
We could spend it all in a heartbeat, but yeah, I think a holistic, expensive review,

2719
04:01:09,580 --> 04:01:12,860
like you just mentioned, is a perfect project for a new city administrator.

2720
04:01:13,940 --> 04:01:17,660
You know, if somebody comes in who hasn't been here through the ups and downs,

2721
04:01:18,100 --> 04:01:24,880
who can look at it coldly and fresh and say, what should the city be doing?

2722
04:01:24,880 --> 04:01:28,300
It sounds like a perfect, you know, when the new person comes in, they should do that.

2723
04:01:29,440 --> 04:01:33,520
I just say we had one of our items on the agenda was the chart, you know, where it's the

2724
04:01:33,520 --> 04:01:35,680
asks, the mayor's recommendation to the council.

2725
04:01:35,880 --> 04:01:38,580
So are we moving to that soon?

2726
04:01:39,200 --> 04:01:41,260
If you go through your presentation, you can call me up.

2727
04:01:41,360 --> 04:01:45,740
These are all funds that have been allocated and have been put aside to carry over to the

2728
04:01:45,740 --> 04:01:46,260
next year.

2729
04:01:48,500 --> 04:01:49,880
It was in your packet.

2730
04:01:52,100 --> 04:01:54,560
Did we make a decision on that chart tonight?

2731
04:01:54,680 --> 04:01:55,800
I guess it's not really getting out of there.

2732
04:01:56,000 --> 04:01:58,220
Well, and I can pull up the chart too,

2733
04:01:58,360 --> 04:01:59,840
we have a meeting decisions on it.

2734
04:01:59,940 --> 04:02:01,820
I'm not making any of those recommendations tonight.

2735
04:02:01,820 --> 04:02:04,020
I can just want to give you the what the cash is,

2736
04:02:04,200 --> 04:02:05,660
and then we will come back and do it.

2737
04:02:05,720 --> 04:02:06,700
So one happy idea.

2738
04:02:06,840 --> 04:02:09,440
Deb, is there an opportunity here for a bond rating review

2739
04:02:09,440 --> 04:02:11,440
to see if we can strengthen it?

2740
04:02:11,540 --> 04:02:14,700
Well, here's, and that's, yeah, that's spending on your reserves.

2741
04:02:15,520 --> 04:02:19,340
We are looking at, we're using the local program,

2742
04:02:19,360 --> 04:02:21,520
so luckily we don't have to go out for a bond rating.

2743
04:02:21,520 --> 04:02:25,620
for the Nordic cottages, we will definitely be looking at a bond rating when we bought

2744
04:02:25,620 --> 04:02:29,000
for the perk, and that is good news to have some reserves in there.

2745
04:02:29,380 --> 04:02:33,340
And they really look at your reserve policies, which we have in place very well.

2746
04:02:33,580 --> 04:02:38,140
The revenue debt that you eventually will have to go to if we don't go for a public works

2747
04:02:38,140 --> 04:02:40,500
trust fund loan, which is what we would first like to look at.

2748
04:02:40,960 --> 04:02:43,760
We have several debt issues that we're looking at over several years.

2749
04:02:44,480 --> 04:02:51,200
That one will be strictly dependent on the revenue and expenses and reserves in the

2750
04:02:51,200 --> 04:02:54,180
The perk will be looking at our general obligation.

2751
04:02:54,880 --> 04:02:55,940
So just let me see.

2752
04:02:55,980 --> 04:02:58,760
I have to share a different presentation, so let me.

2753
04:02:58,980 --> 04:03:03,520
So long and short of what you said is, yes, we will probably be going out for a long

2754
04:03:03,520 --> 04:03:04,420
ride in because of the perk.

2755
04:03:05,100 --> 04:03:05,480
Okay.

2756
04:03:05,940 --> 04:03:07,200
We're double A plus.

2757
04:03:07,640 --> 04:03:07,940
Okay.

2758
04:03:08,420 --> 04:03:10,320
We've got good strong financials.

2759
04:03:10,580 --> 04:03:11,640
Cash is a strong one.

2760
04:03:11,640 --> 04:03:11,800
Well, yeah.

2761
04:03:11,940 --> 04:03:16,780
And the one reason I wanted to look at that, that three column, particularly, I can't get

2762
04:03:16,780 --> 04:03:16,860
it.

2763
04:03:16,920 --> 04:03:17,980
Yeah, I know.

2764
04:03:17,980 --> 04:03:24,940
I'm just throwing it as one of the things that Mayor that you had said to wait on was Mike's asphalt hot box

2765
04:03:25,340 --> 04:03:28,060
Which is a one-time equipment expenditure?

2766
04:03:28,300 --> 04:03:33,500
So that was when I had kind of glued in on where since a lot of our money is one-time

2767
04:03:34,340 --> 04:03:37,300
Revenue I wasn't sure what why we would wait on that

2768
04:03:37,300 --> 04:03:40,700
I don't want to make any comment on these tonight. Okay. I think we're all too tired

2769
04:03:40,700 --> 04:03:46,280
I know I am and I think we need to end this conversation now. We'll pick it up two weeks from now

2770
04:03:46,280 --> 04:03:47,860
So the money isn't going anywhere.

2771
04:03:48,160 --> 04:03:49,580
I'll just look at this three-com approach

2772
04:03:49,580 --> 04:03:51,540
and this was in your packet as well.

2773
04:03:52,320 --> 04:03:55,160
So this was put on the weight list,

2774
04:03:55,380 --> 04:03:57,840
the civil engineer, the engineer we talked about,

2775
04:03:57,980 --> 04:03:59,080
that is being funded.

2776
04:03:59,280 --> 04:04:01,460
It was built into the carry-over figures right now

2777
04:04:01,460 --> 04:04:05,040
to get the end dollars because we built the amendment funding

2778
04:04:05,040 --> 04:04:05,320
that.

2779
04:04:05,920 --> 04:04:08,140
The police administrative specialist that was funded

2780
04:04:08,140 --> 04:04:11,860
with the police organization and the police officer.

2781
04:04:12,020 --> 04:04:13,500
You funded one of those officers.

2782
04:04:15,380 --> 04:04:19,420
The utilities is the mayor said she wants to continue to look at solid waste and where

2783
04:04:19,420 --> 04:04:21,420
the operations are in those utility funds.

2784
04:04:22,000 --> 04:04:28,380
Park overtime was on a wait and the phone handsets were waiting because they're evaluating

2785
04:04:28,380 --> 04:04:33,600
the entire phone system and then the overtime for the comp plan they talked about.

2786
04:04:33,900 --> 04:04:38,420
So those were the only things and the ask about hot box what you're talking about is about

2787
04:04:38,420 --> 04:04:40,840
$50,000 out of our capital equipment.

2788
04:04:40,840 --> 04:04:44,780
So those are still in the way at least, but the ones, you can't tell the colors up here,

2789
04:04:44,940 --> 04:04:47,960
but the says funded by carry-over, funded by carry-over.

2790
04:04:48,320 --> 04:04:50,600
So primarily the people have been funded.

2791
04:04:51,000 --> 04:04:52,700
This is the one-time hot box you can do that.

2792
04:04:53,020 --> 04:04:54,640
But that's what was built into the amendment.

2793
04:04:54,800 --> 04:04:55,680
And the amendment is planned.

2794
04:04:55,900 --> 04:04:58,920
I was hoping to get improved at our special meeting in the end of June

2795
04:04:58,920 --> 04:04:59,980
because then it gets...

2796
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:29,980
We're supposed to do the budgets, and it's easy to evaluate it as six-month window. And the officer would split one, so is there one 301? The 301 would be the vehicle then, right? The 301 would be a vehicle for the officer. And I don't, I don't know if they necessarily mean, I think they wanted to keep it in there, but as they, they actually, when they reorganize, because they use their reorganization to fund administrative specials who doesn't need a vehicle, so they may have the vehicle. But funding an additional officer will definitely require

2797
04:05:29,980 --> 04:05:31,520
I don't call it 250,000 dollars.

2798
04:05:31,680 --> 04:05:33,000
Well, yeah, because the two officers,

2799
04:05:33,000 --> 04:05:34,460
that's what I figured the real one.

2800
04:05:34,540 --> 04:05:36,080
And I will say these costs are probably low

2801
04:05:36,080 --> 04:05:37,800
because when we built this for vehicles,

2802
04:05:38,020 --> 04:05:39,460
last time we built it at 50 or 16,

2803
04:05:39,520 --> 04:05:41,740
they're coming out close to 70 to 80,000 dollars.

2804
04:05:42,020 --> 04:05:43,680
And it is now 10 after 9.

2805
04:05:43,960 --> 04:05:44,960
Everybody's getting shot.

2806
04:05:45,260 --> 04:05:47,240
We need to end this now,

2807
04:05:47,400 --> 04:05:49,220
and we'll come back after you get back

2808
04:05:49,220 --> 04:05:51,460
from your conference dev.

2809
04:05:51,520 --> 04:05:54,120
And we'll talk about what my recommendations are

2810
04:05:54,120 --> 04:05:59,060
for moving forward with the cash flow.

2811
04:05:59,060 --> 04:06:05,260
So okay, I hope I don't mean to truncate this but not everybody's tired. It's time. It's time to call it a call

2812
04:06:06,020 --> 04:06:06,460
so

2813
04:06:08,340 --> 04:06:10,180
What's next on the agenda? I've lost my

2814
04:06:11,500 --> 04:06:14,300
Questions and concerns of the council. Please don't have any

2815
04:06:20,020 --> 04:06:27,520
No, I'm just tired. Go ahead. I was just gonna relay on Pam's behalf because we had spoken about it earlier and then she had to take off

2816
04:06:28,220 --> 04:06:31,940
She is going to take over kind of the chair position of our community

2817
04:06:33,340 --> 04:06:36,900
I'm still on it, but she's going to, she's a great fit.

2818
04:06:37,420 --> 04:06:48,940
And we are still working on it, say we're all doing a lot and it's a busy time right now, but we're pulling the committee together and moving forward for an event in November.

2819
04:06:49,860 --> 04:06:50,220
Super.

2820
04:06:51,200 --> 04:06:53,960
Anything any other concerns of the committee?

2821
04:06:56,300 --> 04:07:01,060
Just that if we don't, we stop that conversation, I hope for the hiring purposes

2822
04:07:02,300 --> 04:07:05,820
that it doesn't delay them too long because I know how long it takes to get a cop.

2823
04:07:06,280 --> 04:07:08,380
I thought we would lost you.

2824
04:07:08,840 --> 04:07:10,680
You were doing this.

2825
04:07:10,880 --> 04:07:13,120
They've already started moving forward on hiring the cop.

2826
04:07:13,880 --> 04:07:15,560
Well, yeah, but this letter is going to do it, too.

2827
04:07:15,800 --> 04:07:19,600
So, you know, anything, any other concerns to the committee?

2828
04:07:19,980 --> 04:07:20,080
No.

2829
04:07:20,080 --> 04:07:23,700
I don't want one more really good thing that I realized I didn't mention before.

2830
04:07:24,620 --> 04:07:31,820
I did order replacement pride banner flags that sound reprographics is rush ordering.

2831
04:07:32,540 --> 04:07:36,640
I think we should hear more from the community what they want to do in the immediate, but

2832
04:07:36,640 --> 04:07:38,440
I wanted to have them available.

2833
04:07:39,040 --> 04:07:41,300
So I don't think any more of them down and should have they?

2834
04:07:41,960 --> 04:07:42,100
Okay.

2835
04:07:42,760 --> 04:07:43,240
All right.

2836
04:07:43,500 --> 04:07:46,680
And now we have continued comments from citizens if you have comments on the cast.

2837
04:07:46,680 --> 04:07:47,400
No, one more.

2838
04:07:47,780 --> 04:07:48,900
Future agenda item.

2839
04:07:50,780 --> 04:08:03,660
I just want to make sure you capture the downtown safety and security to be an agenda item on our workshop for either next week or the following week.

2840
04:08:04,000 --> 04:08:06,920
We will try to do that if we can get the data. How's that?

2841
04:08:07,140 --> 04:08:07,220
Okay.

2842
04:08:07,220 --> 04:08:13,580
Okay. All right. Now continue comments from citizens. If you have comments for the council, step to the podium, you have three minutes.

2843
04:08:17,870 --> 04:08:24,710
Hi, good evening, council members. So the public comments that were given earlier tonight, I think, touched upon most of the important things.

2844
04:08:25,110 --> 04:08:28,850
Oh, my name's Natalie Artemiath and I'm a resident here for about three years now.

2845
04:08:30,310 --> 04:08:35,630
This should be quick. There were just a couple of things I wanted to emphasize that were I don't think touched upon earlier.

2846
04:08:35,630 --> 04:08:51,310
So, first of all, I understand that initially after this vandalism happened with the pride flags there were likely discussions about taking the damaged flags down and replacing them with backstock or reordered flags.

2847
04:08:52,010 --> 04:09:00,210
I just want to thank you all for supporting and allowing these flags to stay flying.

2848
04:09:00,210 --> 04:09:02,910
They really mean a lot.

2849
04:09:03,110 --> 04:09:10,230
I understand that in the aftermath on Saturday, it was very emotionally charged and I think

2850
04:09:10,230 --> 04:09:14,830
a lot of people were looking at those flags as a reminder of an act of violence, but

2851
04:09:14,830 --> 04:09:20,410
because of the community response since then, I think these flags have become a deeply

2852
04:09:20,410 --> 04:09:27,270
moving symbol of what the LGBTQ community overcomes, strength and resilience of this community.

2853
04:09:27,270 --> 04:09:41,030
And my only ask is that at whatever point discussions continue for what to do with these flags that at least one of them that is stitched is preserved and ideally hung in years to come.

2854
04:09:42,610 --> 04:09:55,370
I understand that a painful experience for this town to be going through together but we're also healing through it together and most of us I think at this point when we look at those stitched flags we see our resilience through it.

2855
04:09:56,390 --> 04:09:59,910
And tangentially, I would like to thank Brett Livdall.

2856
04:10:00,500 --> 04:10:22,020
Your work and dedication to this community is really awing and in context with what's been going on with Paul's full pride. It's a human rights issue and we see you. We really appreciate you. You embody the characteristics of a true public servant. And it means the world's us. Thank you. And happy Pride Months to everyone.

2857
04:10:24,520 --> 04:10:27,400
Continue comments from citizens. Anyone?

2858
04:10:30,750 --> 04:10:32,430
Any council comments left?

2859
04:10:32,430 --> 04:10:36,150
But it's not, I had to entertain a motion to adjourn.

2860
04:10:36,410 --> 04:10:36,970
So moved.

2861
04:10:38,090 --> 04:10:38,830
Is there a second?

2862
04:10:39,070 --> 04:10:39,310
Second.

2863
04:10:39,670 --> 04:10:40,330
All in favor?

2864
04:10:40,610 --> 04:10:40,770
Aye.

2865
04:10:41,870 --> 04:10:42,630
We're adjourned.

2866
04:10:43,310 --> 04:10:43,510
Aye.