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Good evening and welcome to the Paul's post city council meeting. September 2nd, 2026. We all

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begin our meeting with explaining the context, the lens, the way we view issues. Paul's

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vote is committed to being a welcoming, diverse and equitable community, where all people can

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access tools and opportunities to improve their quality of life, allowing them to reach

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their full potential. During its meetings, the Paul's post city council will use this

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to inclusively view its discussions, and actions, and all that.

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We have a special proclamation tonight that embodies that very lens.

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I'm going to call on my deputy mayor and city council member colleague,

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but lived all to read the land acknowledgement if you would.

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Happily.

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Paul Spow is located on the ancestral lands of the indigenous,

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promised people. For whom this place was known, as tucked-to-clots, or the land of the vine

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maples. In 1854, Chief Seacht said,

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every part of the soil is sacred in the estimation of my people. Every hillside, every valley,

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every plain and grove has been hollowed by some sad or happy event in days long vanished.

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Thank you very much, Britt.

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Now those of you who can please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you.

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The next item is the actual agenda review, and I'm going to call to my colleagues attention.

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There is a brand new agenda in front of you that has two additions to it.

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There's a professional service contract that we will go over.

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And then there is an addition to the workshop agenda that the City Clerk has included,

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which is the addition of a council, goals, discussion, to support the upcoming budget

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work we're going to be undertaking throughout the fall.

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I would entertain a motion to approve the agenda as amended unless there's a question from

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council.

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Mayor, I move to approve the updated agenda.

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I have a motion and a second and any discussion not seeing any will do this as a voice

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vote. All those in favor please say aye. Opposed that that passes. So we have our agenda

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before us. There are copies in the back of the room for those of you who wish to see it

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or if you're online. It's available at the city website. The next item is the public comment.

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Comments can be made in person, please state your name and limit your comment to three minutes unless additional time is granted by council.

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Just note as a rule council will not respond to public comments.

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Written comments can also be submitted up to 2 PM the day of the council meeting to the city clerk's office, but they will not be shared at the public meeting.

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With that said, and I'll note there will be a second period of public comments at the end of the steady session a few hours from now in case any additional comment is forthcoming

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So I am calling for public comment if anybody has anything they'd like to share

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Please come to the podium state your name you up three minutes and we're glad to see you Mr. President

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Thank you

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City Council, I'm President of the Sun's Norway and Paul's

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Bowl here and I know the mayor likes proclamation.

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So I wrote a proclamation for you, based from the Sun's

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Norway.

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If you give me a second to read it, it's a resolution of appreciation

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for our convention we held back in May 28th to 30th of this year.

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Whereas the Paul's Bowl Sun's Norway Lodge 2-44 was honored to host

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by annual district conference in convention held on May 28th, 30th, 2026 in possible Washington,

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and whereas the success of this important convention was made possible in part through

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the support cooperation of hospitality.

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And it's leadership. And whereas the pulse will suns in Norway's lodge 2-44, wishes to recognize and sincerely thank Mayor Ed Stern, the member of the Pulse for City Council, please chief Ron Harding, City Administrator Ron Gilder, for their support and assistance. And whereas the lodge greatly appreciates the city of Pulse before welcoming our members and delegates and helping make district 2's convention as successful and memorable event. And now, therefore, be it resolved that the Pulse will suns in Norway's

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is pleased to present to the City Council, the official convention voting paddle, so you

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could have your own paddle to vote on all of that.

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Thanks, Mayor.

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Approach?

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Please approach and share.

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Thank you, Curtis.

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Curtis, I might recall you to the podium for a moment after you present our police chief,

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his paddle.

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And I will note for the council, I attended the conference and these were used for voting.

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They're not used for paddling.

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So we may add times disagree but do not use these, all right, that comes with the warning.

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Mr. President, I might add to ask you to share a few words on the passing of the King of Norway in the past week, if you would.

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Yes, so we saw the news early Friday night or Friday morning.

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We lowered the flag in his honor for the half mass for the King.

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We published it on our website with a letter of appreciation for all he's done.

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The king visited us here in 1975, I want to believe, and his son, the Prince of the

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time, had visited us back in 1992.

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So we have King Olaf, and we had King Harold at the time of King Harold to go over.

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So we had both of them there.

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We had pictures probably displayed within the sons of Norway, and he's going to be a missed

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figure, because all of our older people that are involved in the science have been around

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a lot longer than I have I've been in four years, but we've had a lot of people talking

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about him and stuff like that, and we're going to honor him with a mass proclamation that

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and I hope to send to the Council in Norway for the ambassador to bring back to the country

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in Norway.

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So, I thank you for that calling out.

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I would have issued an executive order to lower our flags to have mass but they were already

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under federal orders to be at half mass.

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So, I don't think we would go down to court or mass, Mr. President.

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and we couldn't wait, we got ours a little bit late.

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We, our person who volunteers to do our flags was a little bit late

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to get him out, but we got him down, and we got

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to make sure everybody's country was represented in the halfbacks.

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So Prince Hogan, I believe his name is the now

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New King of Norway, correct?

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So he will have a coronation, probably within the week,

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after the week of morning has gone through.

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So we honor that.

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We honor the memory of the two previous visits.

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We've been honored with that.

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We have a sister city in the form of Ballard,

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and we have a sister city in Norway as well.

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Deep connection.

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For those of you who realize how I celebrate my alma mater,

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I won't mention the name except my dog's name is Cal.

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I have to share with you Mr. President, Prince Hogan,

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is a Cal Golden Bear.

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These took us, so this could be a whole new level

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of commentary and abuse over the next period

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I just wanted to warn people.

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Well, at least, you know, I could say that if he is a 49er fan, he'd have my appreciation

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too.

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There we go.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you for tolerating that little exchange.

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And now I'm going to call again for public comment.

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If you have comments, you'd like to share with the City Council.

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Now is the time.

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State your name for the record.

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You have three minutes.

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And there will be a second round at the end of the meeting.

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Please come forward.

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Hello, my name is Paula Strid, I have been a community member for several several decades.

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My children graduated out of North Kitsap schools, and they're now in their late 40s, so I have been here a long time and see.

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I was very sad to see the parking lot have the signs up. I felt it was very discriminatory.

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It pretty much

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says if you don't have a smartphone, we don't really want you here, and being a senior,

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and having my phone on me may be half the time I go out.

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It is not glued to my body like it is to many people.

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I can get into Palspo and, oh, I don't have my phone with me, and so I have not parked there.

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I will park away and I am thankful for good health that I can walk the hill and get in here.

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But the second part really tore me up and that is that I have always loved Paul's vote.

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And I've been very proud to say this is where I'm from.

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I work many, many volunteer hours for fish line.

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You can find me at the farmers market.

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Pulse is less to have a fantastic farmer's market, the best, I mean we are getting people

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from Bainbridge because they say our market is better and the really sad part of it is

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that this is the first time that fish line has ever known.

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They have active military coming for food from the food bank.

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And you think, oh, they've got the commissary.

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They've got, no, they don't have enough money for their families.

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And I look at that and I found out that it's $3 an hour.

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that's what someone told me. I have not seen it posted anywhere, but it's $3 an hour,

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which doesn't seem like a lot. But if you're a military family and you want to do something

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with your family for a day and you don't have the money because you're going to the food bank for food,

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Then you want to come up and spend three hours here, maybe go to the Marine Science Center.

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There's just, it's a cool place to bring a family.

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And that nine dollars, twelve dollars, maybe you can't buy the kids a treat.

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It's every dollar is being counted right now.

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Fish line went up from approximately 300 or 350 families a week last year.

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The three minutes is wrapping up to do conclude.

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But they're getting 150 households a day now.

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And I think those people would be welcomed here.

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and with that they are not welcomed here and it, I just, it hurts my heart, but that's what it is.

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We appreciate those remarks and the Council takes them quite seriously.

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We'll perhaps have some discussion regarding part of that in the course of the meeting.

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Again, I'm going to call for public comment.

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If you have a concern to question, I thought you'd like to share with the City Council, please come forward.

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And again, I just want to say very clearly.

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There'll be a second opportunity for remarks

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at the end of the meeting, again, from the podium.

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So please come forward.

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And again, state your name, play Surresidence.

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Welcome tonight.

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Hello.

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My name is Martin White-Olic.

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I live up in Hermit Ridge, Paul Zboff at Thompson.

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I had my first experience with a parking

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down there, came down to do some photography down at downtown there. There was a wedding

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thing. And it was about 22, six, and I got my phone and got the thing to do, the QR code.

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and the price for 20 minutes was $3.25.

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It wasn't pro-rated for the hour, like the lady said, for $3.25, and I was in Seattle a couple of weeks ago,

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uptown, and an hour there cost a buck 50, you know, and they had a kioski to put your card in.

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I think about, you know, why these signs are so high with this tiny QR code. Imagine it's dark, or like today it's raining, and you try to point your phone up,

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getting reigned on, trying to scan a QR code.

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My girlfriend couldn't do it the other day.

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She tried a couple of times to make it work.

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And there's statistically, there's approximately

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five million people that adults that do not have phones.

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And 22 million don't have phones like flip phones

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that don't have the ability to scan QR codes.

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And I don't always have my phone either.

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It's like I never take it into a restaurant or in a business.

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you know, I just keep it in the car, but you know, I used it for that. So I just think

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it's, you know, I tried calling the company a couple times and the AI says, well, connect

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you right away. And I tried three times to voice my concern about the way it's set up. And

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I was on hold for 20 minutes and just each time and couldn't get through, couldn't

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So there's nothing that indicates that it's only, you know, you try to pay, you know, you don't know, there's nothing it says it's there's no charge after six o'clock and so on.

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But it's always been free and it's like for all that fuss that's going on and it's angering a lot of people, it really is frustrating.

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This is worth it, and again, going back to the basics of, like, you know, get stark at

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430 in the winter, and it's raining or windy or whatever, you can't stand the code.

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And so I just think it's a real mess, and that what makes sense to me would be to have a

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kiosk, you know, maybe I want it at either end of the parking lot, where people could use

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their card, you know, because I think just about everybody has a card today, but some don't,

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you know, they have to use cash. So it's, uh, and I, I'm a vendor, you know, I have about four

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accounts where I sell my greeting cards and postcards and stuff. We have a lot of

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postcards and I was able to use the vendor parking behind cats me out because I was, you

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know, restocking there yesterday, luckily. But anyway, I just think it's kind of messed up.

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And, uh, if anything, the signs should be lowered. The QR code should be bigger. There

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be some phone number and I think that there ought to be a moratorium on giving anybody a ticket

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down there. And so, thanks for listening. Appreciate it.

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Thank you, and the Council here is you, I assure you. Calling for additional public comment

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and calling for additional public comment. And not seeing any, we're going to move on to Mayor's

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report and Council comments. We have a special proclamation tonight that will be read into

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the record. I'm going to lead off with that and then turn to Council comments and then

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refrain from my remarks till the very end. I would like to note, and this is a particularly

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special moment, if not poignant, we're going to be declaring Hispanic heritage month. And

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What makes it especially poignant for me and perhaps the city is a whole is that number

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one close to 15 percent of Paul's most population is Hispanic or Latino.

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It is the largest pro-rata concentration of Hispanic or Latino on the peninsula.

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And number two, what makes it poignant for me is the original immigration, the original

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explorers of this area where the Spanish, preceding the British, preceding the Americans.

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And now, and I remember attending some special Hispanic events, and I'm going to be

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prepared after these are red. I'm going to ask the Aspar as a family that are represented

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tonight and deeply connected to our Hispanic and Latino community to receive the original

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proclamations and if they can, please keep them and share them with the larger community

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that now and this is the best way I can put it, that there are few if not any Hispanic

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Latino celebrations going on.

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I first met Millie's grandfather up at the high school for the student Hispanic celebration.

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He had his beautiful artwork there, right now because of fear and some despair, public

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events are no longer possible for many of them.

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Local Latino Latino Community, because of the general fear. And so on that note, I'm going to read the proclamation of the city of

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Palzbo in English, and then I'll be assisted by Ms. Veleds, who is our interpreter and Spanish linguist for the city of Palzbo, and its police department, reading the same in Spanish.

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Proclamation, whereas within the City of Paul's bow, about 15% of our residents and neighbors

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identify as having Hispanic and Latin roots, making our town one of the highest concentration

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areas pro-rata on the peninsula and whereas Hispanic and Latin people represent a vibrant

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and flourishing part of the diverse growing community that has been instrumental to the developmental

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of Washington since the Spanish exploration of the Olympic Peninsula, their histories and cultures,

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stretch across centuries, and the contributions of those who are from and come to our shores

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today in search of their dreams continue to add new chapters in our state's history.

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And whereas Hispanic and Latino people serve honorably in our armed forces through dedication

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and sacrifice, defending the values we hold dear and increased entrepreneurial spirit driving

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economic growth.

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Transform industries and agriculture, I might add, with creativity and resilience to produce

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a thriving economy, our elected officials, public servants, essential workers, agricultural

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workers, teachers and leaders, and of lead and inspired movements that have made our state

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more equal and more just, and whereas many Latin Americans trace their roots to the rich

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tapestry of cultures and histories of the indigenous peoples of the Americas, including

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the Arlox, Aztecs, Inkins, Mayans, and Teneanos.

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Others trace their roots to the Spanish, or to the Africans who were enslaved in

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our country, and whereas in observance of national Hispanic heritage month, we pay tribute

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to the rich heritage of the Hispanic and Latin community with appropriate ceremonies,

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activities, and programs in celebrate, and we'll celebrate again its countless achievements.

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I therefore, Edward Stern, Mayor of the City of Palsville, Washington, do hereby proclaim

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September 15th, throughout October 15th, 2026 as a Hispanic heritage month in the City of

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Paul's bow and encourage all citizens to join me in recognizing this important initiative,

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dated the 2nd day of September 2026 and now if I could call on Ms. Valez to assist me in the

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reading of the proclamation and Spanish. Thank you, Ms. Valez, for being here.

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Yes, thank you so much, Mayor Sirm.

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Proclamation, considering that within the city of Podsville,

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approximately 15% of our residents and neighbors,

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they identify as the king of Spain and Latin,

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what they convey to our city in one of the areas

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with greater concentration proportional in the peninsula.

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and considering that the Spanish and Latin people represent a different and

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fluorescent part of our diverse community and growth.

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And it has been fundamental for Washington's development,

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from the Spanish exploration of the Olympic Peninsula,

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its history and culture are re-mountain to the islands.

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And the ports of China are from here,

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and from here they come to our coasts.

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In search of its dreams,

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continuing to write new chapters in the history of our state.

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And considering that the people and fans and Latinas,

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serve honorably in our armed forces and

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mediante their dedication and sacrifice

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defying the values that we appreciate.

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Consecreted spirit, entrepreneur,

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impulsing economic growth,

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transform industries with creativity and resilience to generate a

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economic and prosperity, or keep elected cargo and be

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independent of public services, essential workers, workers,

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agricultural workers, 200 and leaders, and in the head inspired

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movements that have done our state a more positive and more

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Thank you.

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Y considerando que muchos latinoamericanos remontan sus raíces, al rico entramado de culturas e historias de los pueblos indígenas de las Américas, incluidos los Arawacos, Aztecas, Incas, Mayas y Taínos.

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Otros remontan sus raíces a los españoles o a los pueblos africanos que fueron esclavizados

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y que construyeron nuestro país y considerando que, con motivo del mes nacional de la herencia

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espana, rendimos o menaje, al rico legado de la comunidad espana y latina mediante ceremonias,

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actividades y programas apropiados y celebramos dos innomerables logros.

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Por tanto, Joe Error Storm, al calde de la ciudad de Polto Washington, por la presente

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proclamo, el periodo del 15 de septiembre al 15 de octubre de 2016 como el mes de la herencia

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espana. En la ciudad de Polto y exhortó a todos los ciudadanos a que se unen a mí para

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conocer esta importancia, importante iniciativa, dado a los dos días del mes de septiembre

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de 2026.

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Muy bien, gracias por su visión, Patti Villas.

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We appreciate this, very much, and now if I could, I'd like to call the Asparza family to

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join me at the podium if they would.

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I'd like to present Mili Asparza, now newly married and expecting, and her grandfather Robert,

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Y, el primer mes de Mille a un marcho,

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es que no había que ser la estrecha de la que era un poco de la primera vez.

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En este momento, que era de la marcha de la northquence de la República O確,

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para que hubiese sido el riesgo de el mundo,

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a ideas, concerns y cuestiones de la latino y la latino de la latino de la latino de la latino de la latino de la latino de la latina de la latino de la latino de la latino,

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y que ha terminado el que nos ha vuelado por un rejército de la cadena de la muerte de la unidad de el mundo de la escuelo,

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que ha vuelado por un pernevo especial,

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para que se puede ver todo eso, puede ver el que se puede ver.

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Esa cosa se contesta.

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Milley.

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Y así es muy eloquento de

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que necesitan

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reconocer la agricultura

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de la comunidad,

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en el caso de la latino de la comunidad,

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es importante

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en la economía en

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cómo la industria

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necesita poder

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en la industria.

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Y lo que lo ha habido

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es la contesta,

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y le presenta

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en la Constitución

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en la Washington Contesta.

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We were so proud.

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Entonces, en eso, en que no,

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yo creo que el número 1

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presenta

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las 2 proclamaciones

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en Spanish

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y en otro,

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Robert,

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si se

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puede ser así que

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se ha recibido en English,

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y si se

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puede ser que se

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conviene

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los city de Cícones,

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de Cícones,

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de la comunidad de la de

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la de la y de la

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de la familia

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y de la

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y de la

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y de la

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y de la

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en public speaking, Milly.

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So, this is another chance to compete.

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So, just pay, Milly, a few words.

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Thank you, Mr. Maran.

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Thank you, Council, for allowing my grandfather

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and I to accept this proclurator.

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Population this evening.

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Celebrating diversity and cultural is crucial

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for moving forward progressively in our society today.

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As mentioned, about 15% of polls goes population

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es comprise de la espana de la comunidad y el 15% es un poco de nombre.

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Así que, en la presencia de la proclamación, que crees de la espana de la espana de la comunidad y de la espana de la espana de los nombres,

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que es una vez más que más que más.

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Es un personal anecdote que me suspecta en mi first-child en December

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y que no es que yo voy a llamar la espana de la comunidad que es excepción

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y me encourage un cultural de la ciudad que se ha dicho mucho.

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La ciudad de Pulseville, se ha movido en la ciudad de Pulseville,

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y me he ido en las mares.

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Me he ido en la zona de Pulseville,

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y me encourage un cultural de la ciudad de Pulseville.

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Para las acciones, como esto.

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The first step to creating safe communities, especially for a time where safety may not feel so prevalent

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in today's culture.

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So I thank you, Mr. Mayor, and Council, for this proclamation and continuing to take steps

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very much.

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that. The City Council and your community appreciate that. Thank you ever so much. That was

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under Mayor's report and council comments. So let's get on in fact with council comments

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and I'll call on on my far left deputy mayor, Brett lived all. Good evening, Brett. Good evening.

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Just a general reminder for those watching. I do want to mention that as far as parking goes,

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65% of parking downtown is still free, so there are still many free options.

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They are in forced time limits, and if you have a handicap placard, you are exempt from time

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limits and payment, so I just want to make that little public service announcement, and

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then moving on, just wishing the kids in the North kids up school district to have a first

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And to remind everyone to please be careful out on the roads, watch for those kids, the buses, just be safe.

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Thanks.

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Thank you, Britt.

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Councilman Eckert.

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Yeah, just thanks for our speakers and our guests.

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And yeah, I asked you to sign every time they're here about what kind of support they're providing to our military community.

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As a junior sailor with a family who was on WIC, I understand it, trust me.

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It's not new.

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I'm a military's, but in the situation for us, almost I remember.

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So it's just, people don't know about it.

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So it's prevalent, it's there, if you are a single income military member, yeah, you probably

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are getting some kind of sport.

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So, Sarah, I will point out, and this is just a...

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It's a throwing it out right now for the vice or the rostrum, so staff hasn't had a chance to think about it, but we were declared by Mayor Erickson on November 7th of 2022 as a purple heart city.

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We don't have any placards, parking placards are otherwise as a purple heart city.

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So, that could be something we've worked into our parking program with destinations for

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a purple heart recipients, or maybe even veterans as a grader, but certainly a place

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or two in Anderson for anyone who's received a purple heart that they part for free.

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There's something to think about, but obviously it doesn't help the whole military community,

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but since we did adopt that almost four years ago now, we probably should have

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something around the city for that. So, I forgot it was true. We did that quite honestly but

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I've looked it up before and because I was going to ask that we do it and then we already did.

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So anyway, that's my remarks. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. Councilwoman Crow.

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Thank you for your comments and I also appreciate the voting placard from the sense of Norway.

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I think that's a lovely gift.

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I do feel need to work on writing some of the pain points and challenges with a paid parking.

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And thank you for the reminder that there is a large percentage of parking that's still

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free.

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The purple heart, you know, suggestion is great and it would also be wonderful if there was

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some considerations to our senior population that maybe they do not have a handicap

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So I think there's still some work to do to make the experience enjoyable rather than a pain point.

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So thank you for your comment.

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I did want to share something that's coming up as soon as tomorrow

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And just this is just something that's being done in partnership with the Olympic College

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Olympic College is offering some...

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Learning opportunities or information sessions for something called learning for all to speak to the interest of on-demand jobs in our region.

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So, Olympic colleges have been partnered with kids at regional library locations, and they will be at the possible library tomorrow from four to six.

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is drop in, and if those who can see the information flyer that is being displayed, it does

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focus on business manufacturing trades and other on-demand jobs that both can engage in

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their educational pathway and complete their education that speaks to those various needs

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in our community.

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So, the, also, the, thank you, Rianne, and the second thing I wanted to highlight is there is going to be a program called Reflecting on the First Amendment, which is part of the America 250 celebration that's happening.

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That will be at the Pulseville Library on Saturday, September 19, with panel discussion and facilitated by our very own Council Member Fitzpatrick.

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So that is just letting folks know that that is a moment that we want to lean into America

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to 50 and have that space to connect and have panel discussion from representatives in the community.

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And for example, one of our panelists is a newly new citizen.

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She got her citizenship, so she'll be speaking to that.

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And I believe we have a judge, and so we have a pre-robust panel with Michael facilitating

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the discussion. So, I want to share that, and that's it. Thank you.

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Thank you for all your hard work. Also, manager of the Pulse Bowl Library,

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and putting together also a program will be learning about later in the fall, but I'll save that

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to share at the right moment. Michael Fitzpatrick, our newest, not our newest city council member, I'll

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reserve that for Dr. Layton Thomas in a moment. Michael, anything to share with us tonight.

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Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to say thanks for honoring Hispanic Heritage Month and such

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a thoughtful way. And I wanted to say thanks to our community for your public comments about your

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experiences with the new parking program we do hear you. Speaking of parking, I wanted to

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just quickly think the city for publishing a very helpful parking info guide this week.

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That was a collaboration I think of the city administrator in planning and police and also the

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downtown business district. Their city task force being in close communication with you. It's

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really nicely done, it's very helpful and I hope people will download that, share that with folks

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and help everyone understand the rules of the new program. And if you don't know what I'm talking

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about, you can find it on the city's parking info website page. I also wanted to mention that

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Councillor Thomas and I joined the Polesbo Police Department's Marine Unit with Officer Tim

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to have a tour of Liberty Bay, and its enforcement needs, so we got to get a up close and personal understanding of why we talk so much about derelict vessels, about the need for a pump out program, what illegal occupation of a band and vessels looks like, and just the overall needs of what it takes to keep something as beautiful as Liberty Bay up to standard.

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So I really think the police department for that opportunity.

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And lastly, I just want to put a couple of upcoming events on everyone's horizon.

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So the Senior Center has reopened and it's refurbished and the seniors will be celebrating

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that with a ribbon cutting on September 23rd at 4 p.m. down on front street.

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So if you want to come and see the new building and just celebrate reinvigorated North

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It's have Senior Center, please join us for that.

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And then lastly, kind of,

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dovetailing with Pam's first amendment of enter the library.

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In October, I will be leading a discussion on the Constitution.

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This is in cooperation with our Parks and Recreation Department,

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and the local Pulsebo library.

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And it's kind of a culmination of a few things that we've been working on,

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So in July, I let a discussion on the Declaration of Independence.

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We just had a couple of discussions on other American founding documents here in August.

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And we've sort of been building to an opportunity to have a five-week long conversation

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working through the different parts of the Constitution together.

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So if that interests me, it's just a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little

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Just you or people that you know that will start on Thursday, October 8th at 530 p.m. in the large community room of the Pulsevo library.

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And it's really important that you sign up through the Parks and Rec website on their catalog, not just because they appreciate that, although they do.

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But also because there will be homework for this reading beforehand. And the only way you'll know that is if you're on the registration.

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And then lastly, I just want to thank Pam for all of your help in making this stuff happen.

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You've been a really great community partner.

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So thank you.

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Thank you, Councilman Fitzpatrick.

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And to my right, the newly returned.

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Can I refer to as Captain Newell tonight?

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But no remarks to share.

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Captain Newell passes.

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And so now I can properly recognize our true newest city council member, Dr.

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Thank you, Mayor and Council Member Fuspatrick. You are now old news.

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Yes, I want to echo gratitude to the police department for allowing us to do the

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boat along.

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It's a great opportunity to be able to see behind the scenes and see along

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alongside with all of our city staff and the work that they do for our community and

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to understand the complexity of our challenges.

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So thank you for that.

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And I appreciate that photos weren't shared of my hair

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or the wind on the boat.

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So thank you, Michael.

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That was kind of you.

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I had an opportunity to spend some time

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downtown over the last two weeks talking to some of our business

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owners and community members about parking.

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And they were able to share some additional details

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about some of the challenges that they're seeing

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and how they're helping particularly our senior community navigate some of these challenges,

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how younger employees are stepping up and sometimes leaving the business to come out onto

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the sidewalk or go out into the parking lot to help individuals get their parking secured

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or stopping and helping them extend their parking and understanding those details was really helpful.

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and I just want to continue to request that as you, as you, we all navigate this program that

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you do share those specific stories because it is helpful for us to understand the specifics

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behind the challenge beyond just, we hate this parking program or parking, this parking

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program is great. Martin tonight shared some really helpful specifics for things to think

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about when it gets dark and when it rains and how those signs may be usable or not.

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So thank you for sharing the details and sharing them respectfully and giving us the feedback

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and I encourage people to continue to do that as they are experiencing things so that

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we can better understand what it is like for different individuals.

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So thank you.

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That was a bit long, but that is all I have tonight.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Layton, Councilman Doug Taver, Doug, you're showing up and anchoring this ship

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estate.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I appreciate your proclamations and to our community and I appreciate the community for coming out and making public comment.

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It's not always easy to come stand at the podium and voice your concerns.

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So I always appreciate that.

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Instead of just the route, the easier route isn't always better on social media.

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So I really appreciate our community members for sending us emails and coming and speaking publicly.

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And I definitely hear the concerns about affordability as I've spoken to at length, so I'll skip those for now.

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And I highly recommend going to the Paul's Bo website and just the home landing page has a great kind of a dropdown of different updates and things going on in the community.

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So it's pretty cool stuff going on in the community.

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That's all for me.

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Thank you, Doug.

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That makes it my turn under the mayor's comments portion.

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The first side of my have is pretty mundane and then the second is a lot more serious.

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The mundane one is I want to call to the Council's attention that the Association of

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Washington City's will be running its district meeting this year.

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District 12 on the peninsula's will be in squim.

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On October 16th, I believe that's a Friday.

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But I'll talk over the 16th, 11 30 AM to 130 PM.

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It's being hosted by the mayor of Port Townsend, a colleague, gave me Howard.

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And that is something that we should endeavor to attend, perhaps with the exception of Brett,

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who has great expectations.

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But the rest of us should be able to schedule that.

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And if we can pull that to-

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The other, perhaps, we can give notice to our city clerk. I will note that that morning at 10am and

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these chambers are Peninsula Regional Transportation Planning Organization. That now, late in

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Thomas, will be representing the city on, and I thank you for that. That is the five Western

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00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:28,460
counties, the federal transportation distribution of money. The Puget Sound Regional Council,

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which is a much larger version of the same, excuse me, has status to distribute the money directly

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from the federal government to the four counties in 80 cities.

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We're the only area in the state that belongs to both a rural transportation planning and

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a urban transportation planning.

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And really what it boils down to is the distribution of federal dollars.

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that PSRC is direct distribution and the peninsula regional transportation planning organization

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has to pass those monies through Olympia, but the board on which Layton will now be serving

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and will be meeting here that same October 16th at 10 a.m., we'll have representatives

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from that entire large swath of Western Washington.

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So thank you for that Layton, and continuing to serve along with Michael Bateman from our

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engineering staff. So please again note and I will be attending the AWC and I hope to

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be joined by my colleagues on council October 16th we can carpool and we can get to

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squim and we would be back by mid afternoon. So that's my number one remark on a

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much more serious vein and I'm going to go through this slowly. We're on the verge of

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preparation of their individual department budgets,

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working with Debbie and Rob,

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and that will soon reach council.

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At the last council meeting, and I know that I was asked

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by you in light of the rather rocky rollout of the paid

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parking program, both the City of Administrator and I were

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tasked with what could we do to do better communication

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with the public, and I took that to heart, and what would be that communication to the city

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and to the public in that regard. And as we enter our budget preparation for the two-year period,

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2027 and 2028, all that boils down to, of course, revenues and expenditures, not only for this city,

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all the cities, the county, etc. One, one remark I'll make already leading to this. There

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already was a bit of an extraordinary meeting last week. The four mayors, Port Orchard,

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Bainbridge, Island, Palzbo, and Bremerton, of their own, got together. I included and asked

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to sit down formally with the county commission in their study workshop with a number

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their department heads. The county right now is anticipating and planning and looking at an additional

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one-tenth of percent increase in the sales tax, county and cities wide for public safety

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as allowed by the state legislature. We had some questions, if not concerns, and we had a very

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polite session in that regard. Again, that's backdrop against an ongoing and rather painful

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inflation that we heard about tonight expressed by some of the folks at the podium that

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the everyday cost of living and feeling like things are getting a bit difficult if not despairing

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folks out there with the way the economy is going. I want to repeat, folks feel the pain

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of the economy. As a mayor, I'm going to look back and I do look back over the last five

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years. We, the city, for our residents, have played a role in that scenario. It isn't just

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the county, the four mayors went to inquire of the county commissioners' what are they thinking

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of doing as far as revenue increases, what does it mean?

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But we ourselves as a city have played a not-in-substantial role for our residents.

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Separate from our utility rates, and we are currently on the verge of privatizing our

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garbage, referred to as solid waste, because the rate for that was the highest in the

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county and among the cities in order to try to reduce that privatizing.

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So I want to acknowledge that. A lot of work has gone into that. Our sewer rates are not cheap, but they're tied in.

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Entirely to the county, because we're tied into the Brownsville plant. And whereas we have a say, we do not have a vote. And that has passed through to our citizens. I want to say that we have ourselves raised a sales tax of one tenth of a percent of few years back for low income housing and services. Certainly a worthwhile activity.

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We have applied a car licensing fee on licensing tabs in order to better address neighborhood

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streets and safety on those and around them.

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We have implemented red light and speeding cameras over the course of the last year or two.

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We have implemented for the first time in the city's history of business and occupation

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tax, the so-called B and O tax, on gross receipts of our local companies, businesses, and

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mom and pop shops.

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And now, of course, as we heard tonight, and was addressed here at the Dias, paid parking.

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In addition to enforcement, we have the paid parking program and the citations that are

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year in the second half what those numbers might look like.

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I won't belabor because my Councilman colleague, Mr. Fitzbracock, noted last week, my

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opposition to the paid parking, but as your chief executive, I am responsible for carrying

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out the duly enacted policies along with City Administrator Gelder, and we have done so.

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All of this, and all of these programs I just outlined, each have a very good purpose.

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I want to make that clear.

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And all of them are against a backdrop faced by this city and county that in 1999,

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and at the will of the voters, affirmed by the legislature, we were required to drop our property tax,

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which was the main leg of funding government from a maximum of 6% to an imposed limit of 1%

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and whoever is listening tonight or watching, I want to ask yourselves, what has remained

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at 1%. The last 20, 30 years. Nothing. And so we do find ourselves in a bind in government, legitimate.

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that. This is not just the throttling I'm trying to administer. I'm trying to look at this

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balanced and set of tone for our budget work over the coming three months. All of these

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were done for good reasons. Housing for the hard press. Who could argue with that?

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Counseling for the unsettled, I'll call it. Street repair in the neighborhoods that had gone over

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00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:11,080
100 years with nothing done, no program from the city, for neighborhood streets.

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00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:19,810
The business and occupation tax was critical to enlarging our police force, to hiring

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00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:26,730
our city administrator, and that was in addition to cutting the mayor salary by 2-3rds,

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which I willingly urged, but we instituted a business and occupation tax.

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Again, keep in mind, and I'm trying to be fair about this, government since 1999 has been

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limited to, by law, no more than a 1% increase, and nothing is running at 1%.

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I get it, I have sat on council, it makes sense individually to have made the decisions

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when I'm asking you the council tonight, consider the totality of just the last five years

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of revenue increases, we have passed.

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That's something we don't ordinarily do.

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We take them one at a time.

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Yet when we do a budget, we look at every department,

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every line item, every enterprise,

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and make decisions based on the whole.

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We often, as we approve, revenue increases,

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haven't afforded ourselves that same luxury.

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We have budgeted these on our residents,

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And my concern is the paid parking is perhaps the least of the cost, but the most painful because it's the most obvious and the last administered and the last administered in this difficult economic environment for most folks due to the cost of living.

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The resentment and consternation is real. I don't need to share that with the council.

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It does threaten the small town truck.

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We enjoy, reputationally. Yet it's done for another good cause, and that was to raise revenue for the downtown, to be spent on the downtown, to further increase parking options. I get that.

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But I'm asking you tonight to consider the totality of the increases that we have passed.

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And like the old comic strip Pogo had it, sometimes we have met the enemy and it is us.

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00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,460
It is us, just like the affordable housing workshop, our planning department led us in

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where we looked at not only the external but the internal that's led to increasing housing

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prices.

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In light of the analysis, I as mayor am asking the council to consider the following.

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That the business and occupation tax threshold for reporting to our small businesses be raised

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to a quarter million dollar exemption threshold from the current $125,000.

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That we share in our small businesses, they're well-being.

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This is especially important in my mind for those businesses in the downtown right now that

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face with the uncertainty of the paid parking and the impact. We hope it will go well, but we

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can co-participate. I am asking that that be given serious consideration by the City Council.

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Number two, as far as our transportation benefit district, and this is painful for me, as I was

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what the prime author of the Neighborhood Streets Program over the last 20 years. We've been considering

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over the course of the last year, increasing a second $20 increment of license tab for the very worthy cause of repairing our neighborhood streets where our residents live.

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I don't think this is the right time. I ask that the consideration of the raise of the licensing tabs for an additional $20 be deferred at this time.

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Finally, the paid parking.

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The City of Administrator and I have talked about it and there's going to be many tweaks

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made.

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We've heard some suggestions and certainly there'll be responses, but largely, largely, we

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are asking that the evaluation of the program now that we've implemented faithfully, the

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Council's directive, the delay till wait, late winter, or early spring that we're dealing

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with the totality of suggestions, improvements, modifications, that we stop trying to build

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this airplane while flying it.

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It is an undue tax on the time and resources of staff.

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The council asks for this.

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00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,300
Most of the details you voted on individually and unusually on my task.

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:05,180
Most of the time policies at a high level, the decision to make the parking at $3 an hour

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for the prime season and $1 for the off season was a decision of the council.

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The decision that citation should be at $60 and not $30 or other options.

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00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,900
Council actually got into the minutia on this.

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And I feel that you're going to want to continue to be involved in the minutia, but

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there's only so much processing staff can do.

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00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:28,820
The major item certainly will be addressed.

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But we are asking that you keep tabs or turn in your suggestions and that

658
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:38,120
late winter early spring will be the time for an evaluation.

659
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:43,200
And I'm going to hang on to mine, but I'm going to share right now that my original

660
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:48,840
proposal over the course of the last four years, starting with the Parking Committee, Council

661
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:55,200
Women Live Doll will recall very well, was that we have one hour free for everybody.

662
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:01,180
You log in, or you park on the street as the case may be, but the first hour is free.

663
00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:04,340
That's going to be the first slip I put in that file.

664
00:59:04,340 --> 00:59:11,640
for next spring, because that's something that has a simplicity and easily understood by visitors and residents alike.

665
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:19,940
You can come to downtown Pulseville Park anywhere and park the first hour for free depending if you're on the street, a time zone,

666
00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:22,880
if you're in Anderson Parkway, a paid zone.

667
00:59:24,580 --> 00:59:29,820
Finally, that we as a council and mayor share in the difficult times economically,

668
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:36,640
our residents and neighbors are experiencing, that we share that burden, that we have all done

669
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:42,500
well, we mean well, there's no argument about that, but as we enter into the coming budget

670
00:59:43,420 --> 00:59:49,140
session with an outcome of a budget by the end of December that I ask the Council to seriously

671
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:55,360
consider those proposals and I conclude by saying thank you for hearing me out. I'm trying

672
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,360
set the tone for the coming budget season and

673
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:12,860
I think I'll just let it go on that note at that point. We're moving on in the agenda. It's board commission and outside agency reports, and I'll start again with Councilwoman Livedault to my bar left.

674
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:17,520
Nothing to report. Mr. Eckert.

675
01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:30,000
I don't, but I'm going to add to your asks that we don't continue to use Council comments or Mayor comments to continue to litigate this policy. That's already been voted on an implemented.

676
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:38,240
It may have your positions well now, it's been well known for two years, but we made a decision

677
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,460
we voted it's moving forward.

678
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:46,640
This, I mean, are we all going to get 15 minutes to talk about where we stand on the budget

679
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,600
and policy we've already voted on?

680
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:50,280
I don't think that's fair to any of us.

681
01:00:50,580 --> 01:00:52,220
It's not fair to the public, it's not fair to the staff.

682
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,100
That decision's been made.

683
01:00:55,420 --> 01:01:00,140
We've all agreed that we're going to, we will let it be implemented and we'll re-evaluate

684
01:01:00,140 --> 01:01:03,500
but to keep bringing it up, it's not fair.

685
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,080
We got to give this time to work out through what?

686
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:07,940
Three weeks,

687
01:01:10,290 --> 01:01:12,150
and I'm going to be blunt here.

688
01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:13,990
And if you may not like it, it'll be blunt.

689
01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:17,570
The average time when this council is two and a half years.

690
01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:20,170
I think it's 2.7 years at this point.

691
01:01:20,890 --> 01:01:22,470
The only reason why that high is brick.

692
01:01:23,490 --> 01:01:24,150
That's six.

693
01:01:25,310 --> 01:01:29,890
So a lot of the decisions you just pointed out weren't made by any of us.

694
01:01:29,890 --> 01:01:34,190
The only person on this diet that made those decisions is you.

695
01:01:35,570 --> 01:01:38,930
So, yeah, we need to talk about it, but that was a budget conversation.

696
01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:40,230
That's not a council.

697
01:01:40,550 --> 01:01:43,210
That's not a comment on where we can't talk back.

698
01:01:43,770 --> 01:01:44,490
That wasn't fair.

699
01:01:48,140 --> 01:01:51,720
I respect your opinion, Mr. Eckert is I hope you respect mine.

700
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:58,560
Councilwoman Crow, any outside board agency or commissions, nothing to report, Mr. Fitzpatrick.

701
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:05,480
Mr. Null, I know you've been gone, probably not much to report, and latent anything to

702
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:05,880
report.

703
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:14,180
And Doug Taver, I have a somewhat unofficial meeting of the Art Committee's update.

704
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,940
We met before Council and just put our heads together to get a timeline where we'll have

705
01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:26,160
three meetings in the next two quarters to be able to provide some updates and some exciting

706
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,680
anything's coming to Council from Jeff and to our committee.

707
01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:34,330
That's it?

708
01:02:34,750 --> 01:02:37,050
I think I'm going to forgo any other board commission.

709
01:02:37,290 --> 01:02:48,390
I did talk about and I ask you to note the four mayors met with the county commissioners last week on the question of their consideration of a one tenth of a percent increase in sales tax for public safety.

710
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:52,370
So I'm going to turn to city administrator Rob Gelder and the other department heads.

711
01:02:52,610 --> 01:02:53,270
Good evening, Rob.

712
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:59,570
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members and community members, just wanted to just start off by just

713
01:03:00,230 --> 01:03:12,010
Reconfirming for council as well as our community members that listening and understanding has been a key tenant for your staff in trying to understand the concerns the issues

714
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:26,050
And we have made every effort to make sure that we could incorporate that into how we adapted the program as we rolled it out, whether it was enforcement and or pay parking.

715
01:03:27,290 --> 01:03:32,010
We have in partnership and Council Member Fitzpatrick mentioned this.

716
01:03:32,050 --> 01:03:33,390
We have updated our infographics.

717
01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:40,890
The difficult part of communicating a program is when the details are continued to be

718
01:03:40,890 --> 01:03:46,890
influx, but finally with the implementation of paid parking, we actually got to a level

719
01:03:46,890 --> 01:03:51,610
set point that we could define and be able to effectively communicate to the community

720
01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:54,870
and our visitors what that program is.

721
01:03:55,170 --> 01:04:01,650
So we will continue to develop tools for communicating and reaching out to folks, but that is

722
01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:07,470
underway and you can find that resource on our website, we will be actually partnering with the

723
01:04:07,470 --> 01:04:11,450
downtown business owners as well to get more of that information out.

724
01:04:13,470 --> 01:04:16,790
So let's see, one of the

725
01:04:16,790 --> 01:04:23,310
comments that I just wanted to assure the community about as well as Council, the concern about

726
01:04:23,310 --> 01:04:31,230
getting to a certain point closer to the end of the paid parking time or the time in between

727
01:04:31,230 --> 01:04:36,870
between 6 p.m. and 10 a.m. One of the things we did definitely work with our vendor

728
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:42,770
park mobile on was to make sure that the programming was in place that you would get notifications

729
01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:50,410
now. So it is shut down when it's not, when payments are not being made. So as opposed to when

730
01:04:50,410 --> 01:04:55,630
someone would scan the code and go through the process of entering everything to get the message

731
01:04:55,630 --> 01:04:59,950
that they didn't need to pay, that was a waste of people's time, so we wanted to make sure.

732
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,560
It was shut down at the very beginning. So those, we will continue to, as we listen, and we hear the concerns,

733
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:16,680
we will continue to adapt and try to move the program forward. Other thing, we've had a very busy

734
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:24,800
couple of weeks. If you've had a chance to walk around town, drive around town, or try to park. It

735
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:30,900
has been busy, and I just wanted to let you know that in the first two weeks of a part

736
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:42,000
mole being in place, there were 8777 parking sessions initiated. So that means that those

737
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:48,280
two lots have been extremely busy over the past couple of weeks. So successful transactions

738
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:56,400
for those those parking sessions and then lastly just so you know tomorrow will be the annual employee

739
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:04,340
barbecue over at public works so the counters will be closed between 11 and 1. If you were planning

740
01:06:04,340 --> 01:06:11,020
on attending hopefully you've had a chance to let Rien and No so if we needed to we can notice

741
01:06:11,020 --> 01:06:15,160
for forum. It is a Western theme. You're encouraged to come in Western

742
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,600
Garb and they're at about 1230. We'll be some instructions online

743
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:25,600
dancing. So if you're feeling the mood, stop on by. So thank you very much.

744
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,640
Hey, Rob, just to the part moment was definitely updated that I got on the app and

745
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,700
just tried to set up the zoom. So I would be ready outside. And as soon as I

746
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:37,840
put in the zip code, it was like, nope, you can't do it.

747
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,980
Councilman, I thought we weren't talking about parking.

748
01:06:40,940 --> 01:06:41,680
I don't know what that is.

749
01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:44,060
Just trying to honor both ways,

750
01:06:47,970 --> 01:06:47,970
sir.

751
01:06:48,290 --> 01:06:48,690
Good evening.

752
01:06:49,090 --> 01:06:50,770
Finance director, Debbie Burr.

753
01:06:51,070 --> 01:06:51,870
Welcome to the council.

754
01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:52,610
Thank you.

755
01:06:53,130 --> 01:06:56,830
I'd like to get everybody up to date where we're at on our software search.

756
01:06:57,550 --> 01:07:03,130
We have made a decision and we're working with our consultant to contact the vendors and start contact negotiation.

757
01:07:03,790 --> 01:07:07,190
And that contact negotiation will probably take between two and four months.

758
01:07:07,390 --> 01:07:09,350
So I will keep you posted as we keep moving forward.

759
01:07:09,350 --> 01:07:12,210
but we're excited to keep jumping over every hurdle.

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01:07:12,550 --> 01:07:14,130
So thank you.

761
01:07:14,770 --> 01:07:15,590
Thank you, Debbie.

762
01:07:16,170 --> 01:07:20,010
And our health housing and human services director Kim Hendrickson.

763
01:07:20,350 --> 01:07:20,710
Thank you, Mayor.

764
01:07:20,790 --> 01:07:21,290
Good evening.

765
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:22,150
Good evening, Council.

766
01:07:23,370 --> 01:07:32,570
I think one of my most important responsibilities is housing health and human services director is figuring out how to bring more behavioral health services to North Kitsap County.

767
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:39,330
It's very difficult for many of our residents to travel all the way to Bramerton or Port Orchard to get the services that they need.

768
01:07:39,330 --> 01:07:47,970
So, one of my chief objectives have always been to try to get more services available, especially mental health services here in Pulseville.

769
01:07:48,730 --> 01:07:59,790
Several years ago, a company from California called AMFN Health Care Services announced their intent to come to this part of Kitsep County.

770
01:08:00,370 --> 01:08:07,610
I got to know their founder, I'm sorry, their executive director, a woman in Angelina Francis who's there in the front of this picture.

771
01:08:07,610 --> 01:08:14,530
back in 2002, when we needed a mental health professional to put, excuse me, to partner with

772
01:08:14,530 --> 01:08:19,030
the Pulsevo Fire Care Steam. I had a very difficult time finding an agency that would

773
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:24,790
help. AMFM under the leadership of Angelina Francis stepped up to be a partner and helped

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01:08:24,790 --> 01:08:29,950
me staff that Pulsevo Care Steam when it was part of the city's initiative. When we opened

775
01:08:29,950 --> 01:08:35,010
the Recovery Resource Center, and I was looking for somebody to help teach anger management

776
01:08:35,010 --> 01:08:38,510
classes and help with vocational assistance to our members.

777
01:08:39,190 --> 01:08:45,390
Once again, AMFM Healthcare stepped up, thought creatively with me, and we were able to

778
01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:49,990
to staff our center with somebody that's still there now that's able to help with job readiness

779
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:51,950
with anger management classes.

780
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:57,170
I'm happy to announce that AMFM has just opened a residential treatment facility here in

781
01:08:57,170 --> 01:08:57,710
Pulsebow.

782
01:08:58,210 --> 01:08:59,850
It's called the Viking House.

783
01:09:00,090 --> 01:09:04,870
At the moment, it's six beds and I went to tour it a couple of days ago and it's absolutely

784
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:09,490
beautiful. So the fact that we have mental health residential treatment right here in

785
01:09:09,490 --> 01:09:13,230
Pulseville with a partner to age three that's proven themselves to be very

786
01:09:13,230 --> 01:09:16,890
interested in adding to the community makes me very happy and I just like to

787
01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:19,990
publicly congratulate AMFM for their grand opening.

788
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:25,280
And then on a personal note

789
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,820
after working for the city for 10 years I moved Pulseville today and I'm so happy to

790
01:09:29,820 --> 01:09:33,220
be here. Thank you.

791
01:09:35,690 --> 01:09:38,090
Thank you. Thank you, Kim and May I wish to

792
01:09:38,090 --> 01:09:40,950
Vail Coleman to Paul's Poe, yeah?

793
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:41,950
All right, very good.

794
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:44,850
Our Parks Director, Jeff Osmick, good evening, Jeff.

795
01:09:46,450 --> 01:09:48,270
All right, good evening, Mayor, good evening, council,

796
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:49,550
good evening, community members.

797
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:52,150
Kim had a photo, so I had to show this.

798
01:09:52,150 --> 01:09:53,990
This is our great public works crew.

799
01:09:54,290 --> 01:09:56,510
They have taken down the aging sign,

800
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:57,970
and no one really understood where

801
01:09:57,970 --> 01:09:59,170
the Parks and Rec department was,

802
01:09:59,210 --> 01:09:59,970
or the community center.

803
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:12,380
This is just one of two signs. People get lost if they don't go through the right entrance. They've done a phenomenal job. Just another shout out to Josh Jones and the entire public works crew. You'll see him up there. They're doing such a good job.

804
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:19,060
So thank you, PW. Let me take that off of here. Can you help? I'm not a good multi tasker.

805
01:10:19,060 --> 01:10:21,340
OK, a couple of things, let's talk about grants.

806
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,800
So we have put in the Aquatic Lands Enhancement Act

807
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,500
for half million dollars for the boardwalk.

808
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,140
So that is final submission is in.

809
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:31,260
And we will know in October, if we receive any funding

810
01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:33,100
and how competitive we are for the boardwalk.

811
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,960
Thank you to Josh Reigns for co-presending

812
01:10:36,740 --> 01:10:38,960
to the Recreation Conservation Office.

813
01:10:39,260 --> 01:10:42,100
And we also have a $231,000 grant

814
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:45,000
that was presented for the property that we bought

815
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,360
at the Perk, the two little slivers, to get reimbursed for it.

816
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,960
so we'll also know in October. So fingers crossed that I will hopefully have good news in October.

817
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:58,380
And the next week we're putting in a grant for 125,000 for the planning recreation

818
01:10:58,380 --> 01:11:04,700
access for the pros plan because we absolutely need one. That is due at the end of next week

819
01:11:04,700 --> 01:11:10,860
and we will also know in October. So October is going to be a month. We are going through playground

820
01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:17,240
inspections. If you're not aware we have nine playgrounds and some of those playgrounds are

821
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:22,080
20 years old, and unfortunately there's about three or four that are aging right at the same time.

822
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:29,180
So we're going to be doing some more site inspections next week in person to take a look at the life of these playgrounds

823
01:11:29,180 --> 01:11:36,140
and then building that into a capital replacement because some of those are going to need to be, excuse me,

824
01:11:36,380 --> 01:11:40,140
I'm going to need to be a dress sooner than later and other ones are actually aging quite nicely.

825
01:11:40,660 --> 01:11:46,020
a couple other things. We are our senior program. You got to meet our great senior and adaptive

826
01:11:46,020 --> 01:11:51,780
specialist, Jesse Allard, and a previous meeting. I just want to give you one really

827
01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:56,280
neat number. Before we brought her on board and before we really took off with our partnerships

828
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,680
with the North Kiss Up Senior Citizen Center, with the tribe, with the library, and a number

829
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:09,140
of other partners. Pick up a kingdom for instance. We were estimating 750 seniors who would be

830
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:14,020
And we are over 1,350, almost double, which is really fantastic.

831
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,620
I mean, it's just a lot of great programs that we have and activity.

832
01:12:18,420 --> 01:12:22,340
A reminder to the public that the community members, that the lodging tax,

833
01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:25,660
Polesbow Tourism Grants, are due to Marrow.

834
01:12:25,980 --> 01:12:27,580
So this is the chance if you haven't submitted.

835
01:12:27,740 --> 01:12:31,200
Please make sure you get those in and some really great news.

836
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:32,960
A big thank you to Walmart.

837
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:38,700
Walmart notified us today that we are going to be receiving a $5,000 grant for them

838
01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:43,460
for the 4th of July, the America's 250th celebration that we put together this year and

839
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:47,560
brought back the 4th of July, so that's wonderful because our costs were fairly high

840
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:52,140
in putting that together. And with that, I'm going to say thank you.

841
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,540
And Jeff, it was wonderful meeting your brother who was out here visiting you. I think that

842
01:12:56,540 --> 01:13:02,520
was in conjunction with our Public Works Director's Retirement Recognition, but enjoyed

843
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:07,960
meeting your family. And public works are planning an economic development director. Heather

844
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:14,080
good evening Heather. Good evening Mayor. Good evening council members of the public. I'm going to stick with the good news updates.

845
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:25,580
And share with you that the sinclair caretakers unit was selected by KBA to be included in the parade of homes, which is happening on October the 3rd and the 4th.

846
01:13:25,580 --> 01:13:35,420
from 10 to 4. So, this parade of homes showcases homes that are custom built, remodels, outdoor living spaces, and energy efficient technology.

847
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:50,560
So, I just wanted to share that good news with Council. I also wanted to share that the Mayor's Blue Ribbon Commission was selected for a session at the Director's Conference, and I'll be giving an update next week to Director's Across the State.

848
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,120
and I'll be joined by Nicole Coleman

849
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,480
because it's open to planning managers as well.

850
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:55,780
And that's all I have.

851
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:56,640
Thank you.

852
01:13:56,940 --> 01:13:57,560
Thank you, Heather.

853
01:13:57,660 --> 01:13:59,240
And I see off to your left,

854
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:01,540
the sudden appearance of our police chief.

855
01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:02,980
Good evening, we're on hardening.

856
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:04,120
Good evening, Mayor.

857
01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:05,080
Good evening, Council.

858
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,480
I just wanted to highlight one last thing

859
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:08,400
about parking.

860
01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:11,180
Our city administrator, Gelder,

861
01:14:11,380 --> 01:14:14,040
has given us the charge for the team

862
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,680
that is leading this effort to be adaptive.

863
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,320
and an illustration of that tonight.

864
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,800
The point being made about the height of the science,

865
01:14:24,060 --> 01:14:25,660
there's some validity to that.

866
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,720
For some folks, they're hard to reach.

867
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,440
The reason they're that high is because the location

868
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:35,640
that they're installed is mandated by code.

869
01:14:36,140 --> 01:14:38,620
They have to be that high because they're walkways.

870
01:14:38,820 --> 01:14:43,060
However, already, Mike Lund pulled up Google Maps on his phone

871
01:14:43,060 --> 01:14:45,860
and has shown me about three or four places

872
01:14:45,860 --> 01:14:56,660
that would not be considered walkways, where we could lower the height, put in some new QR codes that would be easily accessible by anybody, and that's what we'll just keep doing.

873
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,980
I mean, as we hear these great ideas and feedback, we adapt.

874
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:16,120
And our parking partners, parking mobile, and last have also been equally responsive in trying to help us improve this program. So it's very important to keep hearing the feedback. We need it. We take it seriously and then we use it to make this better. Thank you.

875
01:15:16,620 --> 01:15:25,220
Our staff gives the adaptive management a good reputation. No question about it. And now we have the appearance of our public works manager, Mike Lund.

876
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,480
Well, Ron kind of stole my thunder so,

877
01:15:30,820 --> 01:15:33,120
but he is absolutely correct, so when we put the

878
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:38,480
signs out there, we follow the MUTCD, which is the manual on uniform traffic control devices.

879
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:44,040
Basically, if there's somebody who gets hurt or whatever, there's a lawsuit, first thing the

880
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:48,640
attorneys do is look at the MUTCD and make sure your signs are where they're supposed to be

881
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:54,000
and all this other stuff. So even in a public parking lot, because it is such a high pedestrian

882
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:59,420
area, you know, there might be painted lines, but everybody walks where everybody walks through

883
01:15:59,420 --> 01:15:59,780
there, right?

884
01:15:59,780 --> 01:16:01,080
So you gotta keep the signs up by.

885
01:16:01,140 --> 01:16:02,000
So they don't hit their heads.

886
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:02,800
That's the problem.

887
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,740
The bottom of the sign is a seven foot head clearance.

888
01:16:07,860 --> 01:16:13,080
Other than ADA is down at five foot and that's mandated by the ADA code.

889
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,980
But there is other areas down there.

890
01:16:16,140 --> 01:16:19,340
I was looking at that we could maybe put signs like in a planter.

891
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:23,420
So if it's the signs in the planter, people aren't walking through there.

892
01:16:23,420 --> 01:16:28,700
There's a few different places, so we're going to come up with a couple of different ideas trying to get some of the signs down,

893
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:30,160
tweak them around a little bit.

894
01:16:31,460 --> 01:16:33,200
But there was a reason that they were up that high.

895
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,180
It wasn't just because we wanted to put them up high.

896
01:16:36,540 --> 01:16:39,360
So just trying to let everybody know on that.

897
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,520
That's my parking discussion.

898
01:16:43,820 --> 01:16:49,610
We are done with the neighborhood streets program or process project for this year.

899
01:16:50,190 --> 01:16:52,890
We'll have the stripers come back in and finish a little bit of striping.

900
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:54,950
All in all, it was a pretty good project.

901
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:57,190
We did quite a bit of stuff in town.

902
01:16:58,430 --> 01:17:02,650
We did over three miles and numerous neighborhoods.

903
01:17:03,070 --> 01:17:09,310
I think we were in front of, I think I counted almost 45500 homes somewhere in that area.

904
01:17:09,850 --> 01:17:14,130
And we've really got maybe a handful of complaints and concerns from people.

905
01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:16,970
So it was a pretty good project.

906
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:23,690
We had a lot of compliments on the reach out that we did, reaching out to everybody.

907
01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:27,930
Just want the citizens to know we know there's still gravel coming loose.

908
01:17:28,110 --> 01:17:31,990
That's a normal part of a chip seal project, even with the onics on it.

909
01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:32,590
That is normal.

910
01:17:32,850 --> 01:17:37,030
We're out there sweeping every, you know, once a week for the first couple of weeks.

911
01:17:37,390 --> 01:17:40,530
And it'll go down, it'll go down every couple of weeks and once a month and so on and so forth.

912
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:42,970
It'll settle down, but it is a normal process.

913
01:17:42,970 --> 01:17:46,630
So all in all, it turned out pretty good.

914
01:17:48,190 --> 01:17:50,870
I just want to say thanks for your community engagement.

915
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:55,330
There were people who were frustrated early on with the project.

916
01:17:55,510 --> 01:18:01,030
It's not fully understanding your process and your responses were patient and thorough.

917
01:18:01,410 --> 01:18:04,130
I just appreciate the public facing work you're doing.

918
01:18:04,750 --> 01:18:05,110
Thank you.

919
01:18:05,570 --> 01:18:08,310
If we could just keep the people from driving over top of the cones

920
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:10,950
and through the wet stuff would make life a lot simpler.

921
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:15,650
But if I could piggyback on council member if it's Patrick's comment,

922
01:18:16,090 --> 01:18:21,550
but Kudos to the public works team who, for those who may not have seen them,

923
01:18:21,550 --> 01:18:24,930
when they were working in Old Town, but they went door to door,

924
01:18:25,630 --> 01:18:28,910
because they had to be nimble things were changing their issues with equipment,

925
01:18:29,690 --> 01:18:30,310
et cetera, et cetera.

926
01:18:31,810 --> 01:18:39,750
And they went door to door to door knockers, all that kind of stuff.

927
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:45,450
So I handed out, I didn't, my team handed out four different notices in between the

928
01:18:45,450 --> 01:18:50,510
ridgewood area and all that up on the hill and down here, both areas, we handed out

929
01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:55,010
notifications four different times to every door just kind of let people know what's going on.

930
01:18:56,090 --> 01:19:03,590
I have to share Mike and I know the city administrator and you saw this, a note from the Ridgewood

931
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:08,010
HOA director, not to be tripled with Edward Wright,

932
01:19:08,290 --> 01:19:10,830
who Rick Eckert knows from the school district board,

933
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:13,490
how pleased he was at the program.

934
01:19:13,710 --> 01:19:16,410
Yes, there's questions about gravel, over spillage.

935
01:19:16,590 --> 01:19:18,070
You explain it's going to be cleaned up.

936
01:19:18,170 --> 01:19:19,150
The streets look terrific.

937
01:19:19,870 --> 01:19:23,150
And even Eddie was brought along and grateful.

938
01:19:23,470 --> 01:19:24,390
And that's something.

939
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:25,670
So well done, Mike.

940
01:19:26,370 --> 01:19:27,090
Yeah, it turned out pretty good.

941
01:19:27,090 --> 01:19:29,250
Sierra Santa Fe was a good contractor.

942
01:19:29,690 --> 01:19:32,630
We've worked with him numerous times over the years.

943
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:35,810
and look forward to other projects with them in the future.

944
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:38,250
Anything else to share, Mike?

945
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:38,930
Nope, I'm good.

946
01:19:39,230 --> 01:19:40,650
And no other questions from Council.

947
01:19:41,730 --> 01:19:45,090
Turning to our city clerk, Reannon Fernandez, good evening, Reannon.

948
01:19:45,690 --> 01:19:47,170
Good evening, no comment tonight, Mayor.

949
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:53,010
And I think our IT director, Brooks Rendell, has some good news about this room and the

950
01:19:53,010 --> 01:19:54,870
hard work they've been working on.

951
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:59,970
Yeah, a good evening, Council on Mayor, everyone else in the room, there's not a lot of people

952
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:10,820
I'm holding the back of the room right now, but I was standing back there a little while ago, and the audio quality is significantly better than it was, because there's actually audio back there now.

953
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:19,600
The couple of other things we did last week is we zoned the room this room now has three zones.

954
01:20:20,620 --> 01:20:23,880
So audio seems to be much better than it's ever been.

955
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:41,740
And the other thing we did is we're in a slow process of replacing access points around the city, so we've had Wi-Fi issues in here, and we have a brand new access point in here, and we're slowly making the process of doing that around the city.

956
01:20:41,740 --> 01:20:42,980
Thank you.

957
01:20:42,980 --> 01:20:43,400
All right.

958
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:49,300
Thanks to our IT team, Brooks and Maurice, who guys work hard and are constantly improving

959
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:50,100
things.

960
01:20:50,540 --> 01:20:51,440
Much credit to you.

961
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:52,560
Thank you.

962
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:57,540
If there's no other questions from Council, we're going to move on to agenda item eight.

963
01:20:58,140 --> 01:21:00,960
This is the consent agenda and I'll read for the record.

964
01:21:01,740 --> 01:21:04,900
All matters listed within the consent agenda have been distributed.

965
01:21:04,900 --> 01:21:11,140
to each member of the City Council for Reading and Study, are considered to be routine and

966
01:21:11,140 --> 01:21:14,600
will be enacted by one motion of the Council with no separate discussion.

967
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:19,960
If, in fact, separate discussion is desired, that item might be removed from the consent

968
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:26,380
agenda and placed on the regular or business agenda by council member or citizen request.

969
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,660
Tonight, we have four items on the consent agenda.

970
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,800
We have a grant for radar equipment for the police department.

971
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,760
We have a refrigeration unit grant for the police department.

972
01:21:38,220 --> 01:21:43,540
We have the irrigation code changes, the watering, the Charlie Roberts' walk-to-through,

973
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:48,560
and finally the Null Road Improvenced Middle segment right away acquisition.

974
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:57,340
And not seeing any desire or request to remove, I would entertain a motion and second to approve

975
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:58,380
the consent agenda.

976
01:21:59,020 --> 01:22:02,580
Mayor, I move to approve consent agenda items A3D.

977
01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:10,360
Second. I have a motion and a second. We'll do this by roll call. Councilwoman lived all lived all I

978
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:11,060
Decor'd I

979
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:12,840
Fitzpatrick I

980
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:14,040
No I

981
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:14,900
Thomas I

982
01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:16,060
Tabor I

983
01:22:16,580 --> 01:22:24,360
The consent agenda is passed. Thank you council agenda item number nine business agenda the first item will be the

984
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:25,460
Sequoamish flag

985
01:22:25,460 --> 01:22:30,720
Banners display request and this will be led by our own council member Rick Eckker Rick

986
01:22:32,060 --> 01:22:39,220
Yeah, I think it's most, you know, this is something I've been pursuing for a couple years now.

987
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:48,400
Just our public speech resolution from a few years back that these kind of things have to come from a council member or a mayor.

988
01:22:49,220 --> 01:22:57,360
I had approached Chairman Ford's been years back and said that I wanted to, I wanted to propose this on behalf of this qualms tribe,

989
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,860
but I did not want to do it without their approval consent.

990
01:23:00,860 --> 01:23:09,640
which is patient. It's taken a few years of conversation with them on what's the right time,

991
01:23:09,740 --> 01:23:15,700
what's the right design, and what's the right time of year. And so I'm happy to say that

992
01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:23,100
they have given me their approval to put forth to the council that we honor them on the

993
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:27,260
front street, like we've done for some other groups. And so that's what this resolution

994
01:23:27,260 --> 01:23:31,700
is, have Banners made, the design is provided by them,

995
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:38,520
battle design is in the agenda, and then we would put it up

996
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:45,840
throughout the over and then roll into November with our honoring

997
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,660
Veterans Day with the U.S. light once.

998
01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:52,500
I want to give full credit to Councilman Eckerd.

999
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,840
I've been to quite a few meetings with the Sequoamish tribe,

1000
01:23:56,020 --> 01:24:00,060
and since he came off the school board and was elected to City Council,

1001
01:24:00,060 --> 01:24:07,120
I can't think an area moment at a power or chief Seattle days let alone in an intergovernmental

1002
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:12,000
committee meeting, where you did not heartfully and respectfully bring up the question

1003
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:19,760
of recognizing Indigenous people's day, Indigenous people's month, and were absolutely

1004
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:27,940
politely persistent because it's not always easy in Indian country to arrive at consensus

1005
01:24:27,940 --> 01:24:33,380
and certainly it operates in a different time frame sometimes than we do here at Council.

1006
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:34,840
So I give you full credit.

1007
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:36,880
Thank you, Mr. Record, for that effort.

1008
01:24:37,220 --> 01:24:42,580
Thank you. Yeah, it was very important to me that they came back and said, yes, please do this.

1009
01:24:42,820 --> 01:24:47,600
Then it wasn't me doing it on the behalf, us doing it on the behalf, speaking for them,

1010
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:51,700
that this is something they wanted, and so I'm happy to say that.

1011
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,040
Leonard said yes.

1012
01:24:55,700 --> 01:24:59,980
Mr. Mayor, in Council, just a couple other details based on the other

1013
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:06,660
We have produced in the past. It's estimated that we can have them printed for about $1,500.

1014
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:14,420
And then the additional amount would cover the time to actually do the installation of them.

1015
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:24,660
So it's somewhere in that $900 range. So we have capacity within the council budget to accommodate $2,500.

1016
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:32,890
Rob, do we have the available or re-annon a quick overhead to show the banner?

1017
01:25:34,010 --> 01:25:41,470
I can otherwise hold up, which isn't, oh, that works, that works, fairly well,

1018
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,840
and thank you

1019
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:53,640
to Rob for your support in making this happen, working with him and getting it all logistically

1020
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:54,240
set up.

1021
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:54,840
My pleasure.

1022
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:04,040
So Council, we have a Councilwoman Crow.

1023
01:26:04,580 --> 01:26:07,940
There'll be extras ordered up, so I'm sorry.

1024
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:09,340
Is this the time to ask a question?

1025
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:10,720
I'm sorry.

1026
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,360
The word that reached extras ordered as well.

1027
01:26:15,380 --> 01:26:18,480
No, just the number that we need for the downtown.

1028
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:19,740
I don't know.

1029
01:26:19,900 --> 01:26:25,700
The weather seems to decide to show us who's strongest.

1030
01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:31,380
So, I know there's a design for when resistance, but it'd be nice if there was a couple extra.

1031
01:26:32,260 --> 01:26:39,660
We can see based on the kind of the approved budget of what flexibility we have in there for one or two more.

1032
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,600
Fair enough. This is a beautiful design.

1033
01:26:44,990 --> 01:26:46,670
Council, I mean for their questions.

1034
01:26:47,890 --> 01:26:52,670
As always, I'd entertain a motion to place this on the dios.

1035
01:26:53,170 --> 01:26:59,250
Move to approve the printing of sequimish banners with up to $2,500 in the Council budget

1036
01:26:59,250 --> 01:27:05,090
to include printing installation and to display the banners on downtown city owned fixtures

1037
01:27:05,090 --> 01:27:11,290
from October 1st through 30th, 2026, and then to be replaced by the American flag banners

1038
01:27:11,290 --> 01:27:14,770
in honor of Veterans Day through November 30, 2026.

1039
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,120
We have a motion and a quiet second.

1040
01:27:21,980 --> 01:27:24,700
Any further discussion on the motion on the table?

1041
01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:26,280
not seeing any?

1042
01:27:26,820 --> 01:27:29,080
Can I still ask question?

1043
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:36,740
Is the intention that we will put these up in subsequent years as well?

1044
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,300
I think the way our resolution is worded.

1045
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,780
We have to keep putting this forth in these each year.

1046
01:27:43,620 --> 01:27:46,480
So we keep them and then we have them for the next year.

1047
01:27:46,660 --> 01:27:49,460
But we resolution would have to be put forth next year.

1048
01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:52,980
And potentially we would do it a different month.

1049
01:27:52,980 --> 01:27:57,180
Next year, originally, we were talking about doing this honoring Chief Seattle, the Treaty

1050
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:04,200
Ack, in January, didn't work out for that timeline, and they came back with this time,

1051
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:07,180
but in a future, we could do it around Treaty Day.

1052
01:28:07,540 --> 01:28:13,020
Okay, but we will plan on storing them and using them again after that, even though we only

1053
01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:13,720
have one.

1054
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:14,300
Okay.

1055
01:28:14,460 --> 01:28:14,980
Thank you.

1056
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:18,200
Thank you for clarifying that Councilwoman Thomas.

1057
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,000
Any further question?

1058
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:21,340
Discussion?

1059
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:26,280
Not seeing any beginning at my far left council woman lived all.

1060
01:28:26,460 --> 01:28:27,360
Live all I?

1061
01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:28,120
Eckerdike.

1062
01:28:28,380 --> 01:28:28,900
Bro I.

1063
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:29,520
Fits Patrick.

1064
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:30,740
No I.

1065
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:31,880
Thomas I.

1066
01:28:31,940 --> 01:28:32,480
Tabor I.

1067
01:28:32,820 --> 01:28:33,480
And that passes.

1068
01:28:33,700 --> 01:28:35,980
Congratulations, Rick, on your dog at efforts.

1069
01:28:39,230 --> 01:28:41,650
We're moving on in the business agenda.

1070
01:28:41,830 --> 01:28:45,850
The next item is professional services agreement with cats.

1071
01:28:45,850 --> 01:28:52,450
K-A-T cat's cottage, limited liability company, and that will be led by Kim Hendrickson, Kim.

1072
01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:53,390
Thank you, Mayor.

1073
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:56,110
Thank you for accepting a last minute agenda item.

1074
01:28:56,230 --> 01:29:00,730
This is a last minute issue that I'm looking for your assistance to help solve.

1075
01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:06,570
Housing Health and Human Services has contracted with kits at homes of compassion for many

1076
01:29:06,570 --> 01:29:12,010
years, both to support their housing operations and to support the placement of mental

1077
01:29:12,010 --> 01:29:15,330
health and behavioral health professionals at the Recovery Resource Center.

1078
01:29:16,330 --> 01:29:21,910
At current we have two behavioral health professionals, both the mental health case manager

1079
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:26,770
and a mental health counselor, supplied by Kitset Homes of Compassion that are serving members

1080
01:29:26,770 --> 01:29:29,270
of the Recovery Resource Center and Recovery Cafe.

1081
01:29:30,010 --> 01:29:34,730
I would say of all of the services that we offer at the Recovery Center, this by far is the

1082
01:29:34,730 --> 01:29:35,550
most in demand.

1083
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:40,690
Our mental health case manager has a case load of over 60 people at current.

1084
01:29:41,210 --> 01:29:47,530
people come in from, with varying degrees of needs to get these mental health services and

1085
01:29:47,530 --> 01:29:48,990
they're very important to our community.

1086
01:29:49,650 --> 01:29:51,930
Kitsap homes of compassion has gone out of business.

1087
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:56,990
It was a decision that I didn't have a lot of notice on our mental health case manager

1088
01:29:56,990 --> 01:29:59,970
received a notice of termination on September 1st.

1089
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:09,940
Which created a situation where we needed to work quickly to find out what we could do to keep a continuity of services from members that rely so strongly on these services.

1090
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:22,160
An agency in port orchard called Katz Cottage has quite literally come to our rescue. The woman that runs Katz Cottage, her name is Kate Sotoberg.

1091
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:28,140
She previously worked for Kitsap Homes of Compassion as a supervisor of our mental health staff.

1092
01:30:28,420 --> 01:30:30,400
She's familiar with the services that we provide.

1093
01:30:31,020 --> 01:30:37,060
She agreed in light of what's happened with Kitsap Homes of Compassion to serve as our providing agency,

1094
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:44,620
to contract with for the rest of the year to ensure that our same staff could stay in place and provide the same level of services.

1095
01:30:45,300 --> 01:30:51,780
So I'm coming to Council tonight to ask you to approve an agreement that we've written with legal input

1096
01:30:51,780 --> 01:30:57,120
of course, to contract with Cats Cottage from now until the end of the year to preserve our

1097
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,040
current level of mental health services.

1098
01:31:00,020 --> 01:31:05,000
There's also a budget amendment that I've asked you to approve in the spirit of full transparency.

1099
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:10,180
We have been told by the county that we will be reimbursed to the entire amount of this budget

1100
01:31:10,180 --> 01:31:15,600
agreement and this agreement with Cats Cottage, but we have not received the county contract

1101
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:16,180
yet.

1102
01:31:16,180 --> 01:31:22,960
The city of Pulsebow moves quicker than Kitsap County, and it's my hope that Council tonight will consider passing an amendment,

1103
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:31,660
a budget amendment, and a contract with email confirmation from the county that they'll be compensating us for these services, but without contract in hand.

1104
01:31:32,540 --> 01:31:42,060
I normally wouldn't ask you to take this sort of quick action without the county contract in place, but again what we're trying to do is ensure that there's a continuity of services.

1105
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:47,620
at the center and it's kind of an extraordinary situation, so would be happy to answer any questions.

1106
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:53,280
Kim, we know that the extraordinary circumstances, thank you for your nimbleness, is the word.

1107
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,860
We have a question of staff from Councilman Newell.

1108
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:06,640
Is there anything else that could have homes of compassion was providing to the city of Pulse Bo besides this support?

1109
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:14,320
not at the moment, they certainly have in the past, but we are paying close attention to the,

1110
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,700
we're paying close attention to the situation because many of our members at the recovery center

1111
01:32:18,700 --> 01:32:24,100
live and kids at the home of compassion managed houses and we're highly concerned about their will be in.

1112
01:32:24,420 --> 01:32:31,400
So that's my follow on is from the standpoint of the other services, are they completely shutting down or is it just this business long?

1113
01:32:31,480 --> 01:32:32,800
They're completely shutting down.

1114
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:42,420
So what about those other things, to your point, we have members of our community that are receiving support from them in various locations?

1115
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:50,880
I can assure you that there are many wonderful actors in Kitsep County that are leaning in to figure out how they can jump into help.

1116
01:32:51,540 --> 01:33:00,740
I don't feel comfortable telling you who's looking right now to pick up the houses, but I can tell you that there are two agencies that are inactive conversations to try to take over the homes.

1117
01:33:00,740 --> 01:33:07,980
And that's fair. If you could just some later date with us in a state of what's the transition across the board of these other things.

1118
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:14,640
I know they help a lot of people who have had a very serious situation. Thank you.

1119
01:33:14,780 --> 01:33:16,180
And Councilman Fitzpatrick.

1120
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:27,100
Kim, I apologize if you already said this and I missed it, but I saw in the memo that the same staff will be held in place.

1121
01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:34,140
Yeah. So, your current providers are transitioning to the new employment and from the members

1122
01:33:34,140 --> 01:33:36,380
point of view, they won't see any change.

1123
01:33:36,580 --> 01:33:42,800
Thank you for that clarifying question. Because termination notices were issued on the

1124
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:50,240
first of September, which was Tuesday, there are no services at the center today or tomorrow,

1125
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:54,040
but should Council decide to move forward with this agreement and budget amendment. We are

1126
01:33:54,040 --> 01:34:00,240
to start work with Cats Cottage on Friday. So there'll be a three-day interruption, but that would be it should

1127
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:04,560
Council move forward with this agreement. What you're saying that members who have built this

1128
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:09,460
right relationship will be able- No interruption at all. No interruption at all.

1129
01:34:09,900 --> 01:34:14,300
Councilman Eckerd then back to Councilman Noo. No, that was my question. It's the same

1130
01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:19,500
councillors because we all know that that's it important. That relationship is important as

1131
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:22,540
the service is being available in the first place. I strongly agree. Thank you.

1132
01:34:24,780 --> 01:34:26,020
Back to you, Doug.

1133
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:27,820
I'm ready to make a motion.

1134
01:34:28,620 --> 01:34:29,520
That would be wonderful.

1135
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,140
Move to approve budget amendment 26-309,

1136
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,760
and authorize the Mayor to sign a contract.

1137
01:34:37,480 --> 01:34:40,720
Professional Services Agreement with Cats College LLC.

1138
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:42,600
Second.

1139
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:42,860
Second.

1140
01:34:42,860 --> 01:34:43,900
Do I have a second?

1141
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:45,240
Second.

1142
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:46,720
We have a motion and a second.

1143
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,980
Any further discussion on the motion on the table council?

1144
01:34:50,940 --> 01:34:52,620
And not seeing any, again, roll call.

1145
01:34:52,620 --> 01:34:54,040
Councilwoman Livedol.

1146
01:34:54,100 --> 01:34:55,160
Livedol, aye.

1147
01:34:55,480 --> 01:34:56,000
Eckerdai.

1148
01:34:56,260 --> 01:34:56,740
Crow, aye.

1149
01:34:56,940 --> 01:34:57,800
Fitzpatrick, aye.

1150
01:34:58,100 --> 01:34:58,700
Nile, aye.

1151
01:34:59,000 --> 01:34:59,580
Thomas, aye.

1152
01:34:59,920 --> 01:34:59,980
T-

1153
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:14,720
Thank you, Council. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Council. That concludes the business agenda. We're going to take a 10 minute recess and then reconvene at the table for our workshop format at 6.45.

1154
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:34,720
City Council is back in work study or workshop agenda as it's entitled. We have

1155
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:49,090
three things on the agenda, including what it was amended for. The last one being Council working goals. So we'll start with the first, which is special events review with Emily and Jeff. Jeff and Emily.

1156
01:47:49,090 --> 01:47:49,670
Jeff

1157
01:47:56,100 --> 01:47:57,520
is trying to leave me on by my phone.

1158
01:47:58,280 --> 01:47:59,740
I mean, he trust me.

1159
01:47:59,980 --> 01:48:00,560
So he's there.

1160
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:02,880
Go every day.

1161
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:03,740
Thank you.

1162
01:48:04,380 --> 01:48:04,720
All right.

1163
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:05,640
Good evening, Council.

1164
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:06,580
Mayor.

1165
01:48:07,100 --> 01:48:14,300
We are presenting numbers 36 through 41 of our 47 event special events in the city this year.

1166
01:48:14,740 --> 01:48:20,580
So this will be my largest or one of the largest presentations we have for you

1167
01:48:20,580 --> 01:48:22,500
for the remainder of 2026.

1168
01:48:23,660 --> 01:48:31,480
So, we have six events coming up across October, I'm sorry, seven, and first being, first

1169
01:48:31,480 --> 01:48:36,420
week in October, we have two running events, one being October fest with which is a fun

1170
01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:43,340
run that happens between our local breweries across Polesbow, some downtown and some on the

1171
01:48:43,340 --> 01:48:51,160
Viking corridor, they've added a couple of stops this year with the closures of their

1172
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:58,080
previous locations, so J.J. Fish House and the SIP have been added to the stops this year.

1173
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:04,180
Along with the whole Echoes rainy days are still stops as well as a restop at the Viking

1174
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:12,880
statue for, I believe, a donut break all along the way. Polesby police will be handling traffic

1175
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:18,860
control across Viking Avenue in between rainy days and Echoes for the safety of the runners over there

1176
01:49:18,860 --> 01:49:20,940
And, um,

1177
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:29,420
Muriel Iverson Waterfront Park is also an extra rest stop for the downtown area.

1178
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:38,040
And we were able to coordinate, um, latrines being dropped off for both the run on Saturday.

1179
01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:41,400
And also the half marathon that will take place on Sundays.

1180
01:49:41,980 --> 01:49:50,040
So we'll have less confusion about things coming in and out of Anderson and we will have a shared commitment.

1181
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:56,420
a commitment between those sort of positions for adding the rest of the park.

1182
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,820
Questions on questions?

1183
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:00,960
Comments Council.

1184
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:32,810
You are too good, Emily. There we go. All right, polls will have merit on. This is the 10th year of the polls will have merit on event, or it started, excuse me, in 2016, I believe they had one year of hiatus. Coming to polls, though, it will be on Sunday, October 4th. The start time will be 8 a.m. and they have both a half marathon and a 10 k loop with the routes across the city. They're expecting about 850 participants.

1185
01:50:33,230 --> 01:50:37,890
They have 30 volunteers and they will have rest stops every two to three miles.

1186
01:50:38,510 --> 01:50:41,170
It's not a closed course, but it pulls both police from them.

1187
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:46,570
We'll be helping with the onset of the kickoff of the race.

1188
01:50:47,550 --> 01:50:53,670
And runners will have until noon to complete the half marathon and 10k.

1189
01:50:54,010 --> 01:50:56,390
Yes, four hours with an 8am start.

1190
01:50:57,130 --> 01:51:04,630
And we have also worked with engineering to ensure that the sidewalk area at the end of

1191
01:51:04,630 --> 01:51:10,690
front street is open where the construction is taking place for that weekend so that people

1192
01:51:10,690 --> 01:51:15,270
will have easy passage there where the apartment building is still being constructed.

1193
01:51:15,790 --> 01:51:19,530
Sometimes they're sensing up which can impact the larger crowds.

1194
01:51:20,250 --> 01:51:25,550
So we've worked with engineering and they've contacted the construction company and they've

1195
01:51:25,550 --> 01:51:28,590
to make sure to leave those sidewalks available and open.

1196
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:33,470
Any questions on the Paul Spowhaff, Marathon?

1197
01:51:34,010 --> 01:51:34,530
Layton.

1198
01:51:36,030 --> 01:51:38,850
The end of the course goes through the Ports parking lot.

1199
01:51:38,930 --> 01:51:40,410
It's a support question with them.

1200
01:51:40,730 --> 01:51:40,870
Sorry.

1201
01:51:41,590 --> 01:51:42,250
Thank you.

1202
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:45,770
The end of the course goes through the Ports parking lot.

1203
01:51:46,210 --> 01:51:49,590
Is there any coordination required or are they, is that I didn't see it in the application?

1204
01:51:50,450 --> 01:51:52,530
The Ports is aware and have a proof.

1205
01:51:53,090 --> 01:51:53,550
Thank you.

1206
01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:56,540
All right.

1207
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:57,820
Any other questions?

1208
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:02,580
And on to the North Kitsa High School homecoming parade.

1209
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:06,820
This is an annual parade of homecoming held on Wednesday, October 7th.

1210
01:52:07,700 --> 01:52:09,640
Road closures will start around 545.

1211
01:52:10,180 --> 01:52:12,060
The parade itself won't start until that's 16.

1212
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:15,040
And we'll head from 1st Lutheran Church.

1213
01:52:15,700 --> 01:52:17,460
Downhouse mark on the front street.

1214
01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:21,760
And then concludes with a rally at the Waterfront Park.

1215
01:52:26,780 --> 01:52:30,380
That following Sunday, October 11th is the Kitsa Color Classic.

1216
01:52:30,380 --> 01:52:33,860
This is a bicycle race across Kitsup County.

1217
01:52:34,500 --> 01:52:35,620
So it starts in Kingston.

1218
01:52:36,380 --> 01:52:39,720
There are three different courses of varying links.

1219
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:43,040
And Polesbo is one of the rest of them.

1220
01:52:43,220 --> 01:52:46,380
So the Waterfront Park has a rest of them.

1221
01:52:46,940 --> 01:52:51,680
The organizers will be providing slides donuts for their writers.

1222
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:55,480
And I believe that the West Sound...

1223
01:52:59,060 --> 01:53:00,420
No, I'm sorry.

1224
01:53:00,420 --> 01:53:02,360
the Miss West Town team.

1225
01:53:02,660 --> 01:53:03,020
Thank you.

1226
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:06,920
Our have made peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in the past.

1227
01:53:07,500 --> 01:53:08,140
Or these writers.

1228
01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:10,300
So they appreciate Paul's pose.

1229
01:53:10,340 --> 01:53:13,100
One of their scenic restops along the way.

1230
01:53:16,380 --> 01:53:18,180
Onto the autumn bonfire.

1231
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:22,140
Again, another treasured annual event hosted by Sons of Norway.

1232
01:53:23,140 --> 01:53:28,520
The Vikings will march down front streets around into

1233
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:37,460
into little Anderson backup through, oh, by the U of Design, sorry, I can't think of what

1234
01:53:37,460 --> 01:53:42,660
they, the name is, they're between the Zip and JJs and then they'll come back up along

1235
01:53:42,660 --> 01:53:49,500
the waterfront to light the bonfire for the Autumn Celebration. They will have a Proclamation

1236
01:53:50,140 --> 01:53:55,880
and after which the Vikings in years past have hand out candy to our Halloweeners.

1237
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:58,160
about what time Emily is your understanding?

1238
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:05,880
Yeah, so the fire pits set up we'll start around 9 a.m., 6 p.m. is the start time for their walk and then they're

1239
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:07,840
expecting to finish by 8 p.m.

1240
01:54:10,220 --> 01:54:16,660
with the party goers, or whenever they run out of candies is generally when most of the crowd

1241
01:54:17,540 --> 01:54:20,600
disverses. Are you voting? Yes, or do you have a question? Council member, David?

1242
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:24,080
Just kind of a comment question, a question,

1243
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:30,560
with just checking El Nino's at 90% hitting between October and December.

1244
01:54:31,260 --> 01:54:39,740
So maybe let the events know that they're, you know, to double check whether and be prepared for dealing with a heavier rain than usual.

1245
01:54:39,740 --> 01:54:46,740
for you too, but. Yes, great call up. I also spoke with Curtis earlier tonight and he

1246
01:54:46,740 --> 01:54:54,840
showed me that this year they will have a larger zone around the fire pit for where the

1247
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:59,980
Vikings actually need to safely stand in order to light. I know in years past there's been some.

1248
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:22,380
I'm kind of crowding to get as close as possible. And so for crowd control and everybody's safety, they will have kind of a cone zone for the onlookers to make sure that they're not trying to push crowds of people with children and families and strollers back further on safety. So they are aware and making that change this event.

1249
01:55:25,050 --> 01:55:28,510
And finally, the HDPA Goalsbow.

1250
01:55:29,550 --> 01:55:30,750
Absolutely Goalsbow.

1251
01:55:30,890 --> 01:55:31,950
Another treasured event.

1252
01:55:32,350 --> 01:55:33,270
This will be on Halloween.

1253
01:55:33,550 --> 01:55:33,810
Saturday.

1254
01:55:35,470 --> 01:55:40,770
The road closures will start around 330 and the start time for the event is 4 o'clock.

1255
01:55:41,990 --> 01:55:42,690
There we're expecting.

1256
01:55:43,310 --> 01:55:44,130
It's a large crowd.

1257
01:55:44,590 --> 01:55:47,750
You're going to be between 800 and 1,000 people downtown on

1258
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:51,530
Front Street with the businesses hosting trick treating.

1259
01:55:51,530 --> 01:55:58,790
Many businesses may decide to put canopies outside, depending on the weather for dispensing

1260
01:55:58,790 --> 01:55:59,170
candy.

1261
01:55:59,690 --> 01:56:07,790
There are vericlosures that will be in effect during this event and along the front street

1262
01:56:07,790 --> 01:56:13,430
and polls most police and public works will be assisting with safety and vericases.

1263
01:56:13,470 --> 01:56:17,130
And these continuing the closure is continuing up Jensen again this year.

1264
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:18,670
That's in the plan for this year.

1265
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:32,240
Yeah, and that was just the one I know, I'm not sure I didn't hear as much last year, but at the first year they closed Jensen because the businesses that are in there.

1266
01:56:32,540 --> 01:56:36,860
So these are the customers in those businesses that they couldn't get out because the road was closed.

1267
01:56:37,820 --> 01:56:40,820
So we just have to be cautious about closing it as early as three.

1268
01:56:40,820 --> 01:56:43,640
Yeah, so we flagged that and I know at least having discussions.

1269
01:56:44,020 --> 01:56:47,340
I was there and with the cars and small children were.

1270
01:56:47,340 --> 01:56:54,960
Yeah, so we need to have a better product that they need to have not only volunteers, but coordinating with police because folks will not listen to volunteers

1271
01:56:54,960 --> 01:57:01,760
Yeah, I don't know blue building has an official name, but the blue building here next door because those are all tenants inside that building

1272
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:11,060
So even if the building owner gets notified that tenants might not necessarily know and I know the first year. They definitely didn't know so and that's a requirement to every recall that

1273
01:57:11,060 --> 01:57:23,200
The HGPA has to inform everybody, and that's in our special event coordination meeting, which is tomorrow, and then we'll be following up with police because we have some folks out of the office. I'm police right now.

1274
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:24,420
Great question.

1275
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:34,720
This may be a memory issue, but in years past I thought that the road was closed up closer to the King Olaf parking lot.

1276
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:41,920
Is that a change just here to move it down to create access to the Anderson Lot or am I

1277
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,360
Or we're cars just not there

1278
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:56,220
So I have a similar memory of that but it is not reflected in the maps will confirm with PW on exactly where the world closures will be

1279
01:57:57,540 --> 01:58:06,580
To make sure that Anderson Parkway is still open and available for people to park down I also have a different memory. So it's but ideally Anderson Parkway should be open

1280
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:11,160
Right, so folks can come in and, yeah, in recent egress, and then what has happened,

1281
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:15,280
again, for my memories where you have, if you've got that little flower car here,

1282
01:58:15,460 --> 01:58:16,720
right, the black one has flower as well.

1283
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:20,680
I've never together, yes, there's a police vehicle there with a barricade of flashing lights

1284
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:22,580
laying people down, right, as a hard stop.

1285
01:58:23,100 --> 01:58:30,040
And then you have multiple businesses up that street that come out with tents and whatnot.

1286
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:34,700
So I am concerned about kids still,

1287
01:58:34,980 --> 01:58:37,560
because I think that strip gets just as busy

1288
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,380
and if we've got, if that only access point

1289
01:58:40,380 --> 01:58:41,780
is out of Anderson that way,

1290
01:58:41,940 --> 01:58:43,360
especially since Jensen is closed,

1291
01:58:43,980 --> 01:58:47,120
I would think that we probably want some extra presence

1292
01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:51,240
air to slow cars taking out left out of Anderson up the hill.

1293
01:58:51,900 --> 01:58:53,420
And we'll review that and get back to you on.

1294
01:58:53,420 --> 01:58:53,760
Thank you.

1295
01:58:56,580 --> 01:58:58,900
Any further questions, clarifications?

1296
01:58:59,060 --> 01:59:01,700
Are we good counsel with the October array

1297
01:59:01,700 --> 01:59:03,000
of events.

1298
01:59:04,140 --> 01:59:10,440
That particular is on my list, but it is not an official event, because it's hosted

1299
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:14,620
at the Parks and Rec Center for our preschool age children, but it will be happening at the

1300
01:59:14,620 --> 01:59:20,040
afternoon of, of, of, of, of Holly, and that's just a love letter to the community because

1301
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:25,100
there's nothing really pre-school aged, and it's time to, before HDPA's event, and it gets

1302
01:59:25,100 --> 01:59:25,520
everybody out there.

1303
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:30,360
We have a, like, 150 parents, no, 400, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a awesome

1304
01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:32,780
I really recommend council come and take a look.

1305
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:34,460
All right.

1306
01:59:34,540 --> 01:59:35,560
Thank you, Jeff and Emily.

1307
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:37,100
Well organized.

1308
01:59:39,390 --> 01:59:43,290
Heather will lead us at the right on the code compliance position.

1309
01:59:44,470 --> 01:59:48,410
Update and I think she'll be accompanied by city administrator Rob Gelder.

1310
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:56,760
Your assumptions for all correct mayor.

1311
01:59:57,420 --> 01:59:59,960
Good evening again council and thank you.

1312
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:12,900
Thank you for the time to discuss this position. It is a position that was funded by City Council, but it is a position that has not been filled yet, but it is a function that is being performed.

1313
02:00:13,860 --> 02:00:17,540
And in light of Councilmember Eckert's

1314
02:00:17,540 --> 02:00:20,400
acknowledgment of the few years of tenure on the council.

1315
02:00:21,220 --> 02:00:23,960
And we have new and newer members on council.

1316
02:00:24,160 --> 02:00:26,520
I wanted to just give you a little bit more of an overview

1317
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:30,840
of this position in how it functions currently and how it can function.

1318
02:00:31,660 --> 02:00:33,660
And as a leadership team,

1319
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:42,300
Gueldor and a finance director, Buher, and public work director Linias, and

1320
02:00:42,300 --> 02:00:47,280
who else joined us, representing building and engineering, and as well as

1321
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:49,340
Parks Director, Ozen Mag.

1322
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:52,940
We've all met and discussed this position, so I will be weaving into the

1323
02:00:52,940 --> 02:00:53,680
and the mayor.

1324
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:55,700
Excuse me, Mayor, join us in some of those conversations.

1325
02:00:55,760 --> 02:01:01,160
So we've been talking about this position, and before I dive in, I do want to

1326
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:06,520
that this position was funded, it hasn't been filled and I'm going to take responsibility for that.

1327
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:11,980
I have managed code compliance in the past and my previous position with the city of

1328
02:01:11,980 --> 02:01:17,880
Bainbridge Island and looking at our codes with our legal team we've acknowledged that there's

1329
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:22,900
quite a bit of work that needs to happen to our code and the position was that we would massage

1330
02:01:22,900 --> 02:01:27,420
that code and prove that code before we brought someone in. I don't want to hire and train someone

1331
02:01:27,420 --> 02:01:32,140
on what I would call somewhat of a not a broken but an incomplete code.

1332
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:37,900
So that's part of the large part of the delay and because we're stepping into budget

1333
02:01:37,900 --> 02:01:43,280
season, we thought this would be a good time to revisit the position and see if it still

1334
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:48,220
lines up with Council's direction and discuss some possibilities of how we move this position

1335
02:01:48,220 --> 02:01:48,680
forward.

1336
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,980
So with that, I'm going to speak just about the duties.

1337
02:01:52,980 --> 02:02:01,840
So the way that I would describe a code compliance position is planning, building, engineering, and parks and rent, because that's what's codified right now.

1338
02:02:02,360 --> 02:02:04,860
We all set codes and regulations.

1339
02:02:05,060 --> 02:02:09,280
We have adopted building code that says you need a permit if you build something of a certain size.

1340
02:02:10,020 --> 02:02:15,400
We have planning code that says if you're a movie tree in a critical area, you need a critical area permit.

1341
02:02:15,980 --> 02:02:24,720
We have these regulations and what code compliance does is it fills in the gap between the regulation and what actually happens within our community.

1342
02:02:25,680 --> 02:02:32,860
And our job is to ensure that we promote the health safety and welfare of our community and we use code compliance to ensure that.

1343
02:02:32,860 --> 02:02:41,120
This position was last filled in 2018 and due to COVID and some of the complexities the position was supporting

1344
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:48,940
both planning and the police department or court function at the time and the position the person

1345
02:02:48,940 --> 02:02:55,160
that was filling that position left and it's been vacant ever since and there was actually no funding for that position until last year

1346
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:59,000
by any unbudget. The reporting structure is this position,

1347
02:02:59,140 --> 02:03:05,120
red report to the planning department, and the assumed salary for that position is $133,000,

1348
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:06,800
and that does include benefits.

1349
02:03:09,620 --> 02:03:13,180
To give you a sense of how the compliance system works

1350
02:03:13,180 --> 02:03:19,300
currently, we are a complaint based. We don't go out and actively seek violations,

1351
02:03:20,140 --> 02:03:23,380
and so that means someone has to observe something and say something,

1352
02:03:23,380 --> 02:03:31,480
And the way they do that is they can call us directly in a call public works, and let us know that they've experienced something

1353
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:38,120
and they can also report it online through this C-click fix with a system, which is an automated system.

1354
02:03:38,860 --> 02:03:43,340
Once that complaint is received, it can be anything from my neighbor's throwing a party and it's really loud,

1355
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:47,580
and so we send that off to police. It's not really a code compliance case.

1356
02:03:47,580 --> 02:03:55,860
To someone is actively cutting down a tree right now, and that's immediately routed to planning and I myself have got out and bestigated some of those.

1357
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:59,460
So the complaint is receives, they're routed to the appropriate department.

1358
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:02,020
That department investigates that case.

1359
02:04:02,060 --> 02:04:04,340
They do that by looking at the code generally.

1360
02:04:04,700 --> 02:04:09,700
Like is there really a violation occurring, or they may go out into the field.

1361
02:04:09,860 --> 02:04:11,600
They'll look at aerial imagery, etc.

1362
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:18,700
that violation is as substantiated and we work in a really friendly system or really fortunate

1363
02:04:18,700 --> 02:04:23,600
I would say this speaks to our community as we just generate a letter right now and we say

1364
02:04:24,700 --> 02:04:26,700
We've observed that this is happening.

1365
02:04:27,220 --> 02:04:30,740
You have a rooster in your property and roosters are in a loud and city limits

1366
02:04:30,740 --> 02:04:37,360
and we need you to find a new home for that rooster and we give them generally two weeks to a month to comply

1367
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:43,260
And we also give them the opportunity to connect with us and let us know if our assumptions

1368
02:04:43,260 --> 02:04:43,960
are incorrect.

1369
02:04:44,140 --> 02:04:46,620
And it's very generally a friendly letter.

1370
02:04:47,540 --> 02:04:55,320
We do have within that compliance achievement to share with them that there could be a fine associated

1371
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:59,460
if they choose not to correct the activity and that fine is up to $250.

1372
02:05:00,500 --> 02:05:29,860
We don't always include that in the letter. We start generally, pretty friendly, sometimes we even move forward with a phone call. And I would say about 95% of our cases, we receive compliance. It's been really kind of lovely to support this community and getting a compliance. But I'll speak to some of the outliers in a moment. So all of this resides for those of you who want to do a deeper dive at some point. All of this resides, and the authority is in chapter 1, 16 of our municipalities.

1373
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:35,320
code, it allows outlines of steps that I have here, which gives us a theory to investigate

1374
02:05:35,320 --> 02:05:40,460
sometimes our actions do require that we have police involved, depending on the nature

1375
02:05:40,460 --> 02:05:46,220
of the case. As I mentioned, we issue and serve letters, and this is generally where our

1376
02:05:46,220 --> 02:05:52,880
work stops. But we do have the ability through, excuse me, voluntary correction is actually a

1377
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:58,140
stat that kind of comes before issuing a letter. Sometimes we call people and say, hey, I've,

1378
02:05:58,140 --> 02:06:08,160
I've done a site visit. I'm like, hey, are you allowed to cut that tree down? I'm like actually, yes, it's right against the foundation of my home. I verified they weren't with any protected tree area and they could proceed.

1379
02:06:08,620 --> 02:06:16,220
So that's a voluntary correction order. We issue letter if we're not able to get compliance through that type of means.

1380
02:06:16,660 --> 02:06:26,720
And then if they're doing something active in the moment, it's like building a deck without a permit, we can issue what's called a stop work order, which says you need to stop this work right now, come in and get a building permit.

1381
02:06:26,720 --> 02:06:29,380
And then as I mentioned, we have a notice of infraction.

1382
02:06:29,580 --> 02:06:33,700
So these are the different tools in our belt that we currently have.

1383
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:36,880
And notice of infraction, it's not as simple as it sounds.

1384
02:06:37,420 --> 02:06:42,500
We can't just, there's a code case that we worked on that I'll speak to because it gives

1385
02:06:42,500 --> 02:06:44,780
a little bit of light of the more complex cases.

1386
02:06:45,300 --> 02:06:50,240
This was tree cutting on a visible apartment complex on French street.

1387
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:53,960
They were performing work on the shoreline.

1388
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:56,240
They removed a large amount of trees.

1389
02:06:57,140 --> 02:07:00,160
And we said, hey, you all need to come to compliance.

1390
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:03,900
We're going to do a notice for the infraction of 250 a day.

1391
02:07:03,980 --> 02:07:05,660
Every day that you've been out of compliance.

1392
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:07,440
And we worked with Emily and she said,

1393
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:09,260
that's not really the best tool.

1394
02:07:09,660 --> 02:07:12,780
What it would take for us to actually recoup those costs

1395
02:07:12,780 --> 02:07:15,960
would cost more than actually the infraction itself.

1396
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:18,380
Even though it adds up every day in this case

1397
02:07:18,380 --> 02:07:22,780
had been going on and she's the one who really brought to my attention that we need a bolster

1398
02:07:22,780 --> 02:07:24,620
up these tools to get to compliance.

1399
02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:29,820
So why we have this on the books, I don't think it's ever been exercised and it would cost

1400
02:07:29,820 --> 02:07:31,860
us a lot of money to get the money.

1401
02:07:32,360 --> 02:07:35,820
So and it doesn't actually necessarily bring about compliance.

1402
02:07:36,820 --> 02:07:41,720
But I just wanted to just kind of air that and speak openly with you all about how that

1403
02:07:41,720 --> 02:07:42,600
actually functions.

1404
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:49,680
So, I wanted to give you guys a sense of, I've described some of the cases in the nature

1405
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:53,900
of the cases, but I wanted to give you a sense of the amount of complaints that we get

1406
02:07:54,460 --> 02:08:00,180
and also to share with you all why this is being handled internally, there's just not

1407
02:08:00,180 --> 02:08:01,260
a lot of volume there.

1408
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:06,320
So, these are actual complaints, so not all of these turn into a case.

1409
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:19,920
I mean, someone's called in and said, I'm observing this, something is happening, and then we take some sort of action, and as I described, it could be as simple as looking at the code and saying, oh, there's nothing here, there's no complaint.

1410
02:08:20,540 --> 02:08:27,660
It could be more complex is going out in the field of observing and communicating with someone and resolving the matter, and then the highest complexity.

1411
02:08:28,540 --> 02:08:34,900
hire complexities when you all all I think have been informed of, which is the re-roofing

1412
02:08:34,900 --> 02:08:41,360
on the Muffison building and downtown that happened in the early spring. We're still working

1413
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:46,040
with the property owner. I'm confident we're going to get there but some of these cases can

1414
02:08:46,040 --> 02:08:53,440
drag on. So this is a sense of the totals that we've received since 2023 and for those

1415
02:08:53,440 --> 02:09:00,080
can't read the really small print. So in 2023, our total was 37. The lion share was in the

1416
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:08,920
engineering department. In 2024, engineering won again just slightly. But 18 cases, the grand

1417
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:17,120
total was 50 cases total. And then in 2025, engineering, they get the lion share and that's why I

1418
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:22,900
have some more facts to support that. They received a total of 19. So you'll see from this trend,

1419
02:09:22,900 --> 02:09:31,020
Engineering and Planning at the bulk of the complaints, they received a total of 48, and then so far this year we've had a total of 42 complaints.

1420
02:09:32,740 --> 02:09:43,000
So, Diane, as I mentioned at the beginning, we've been working with Public Works Director Linius and discussing the bulk of the work and the impact to staff.

1421
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:50,680
And according to engineering staff that is working on some of these cases, it takes about two hours per case.

1422
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:57,320
So just doing some rough mass, not fantastic mass, and assuming two hours across the board

1423
02:09:57,320 --> 02:09:59,980
and as I said, there's always outliers, there's some that-

1424
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:13,880
I've been going on the tree that was cut at the corner of Lincoln in 305, that very large tree that was kind of a few years ago, still working to get resolution from the property owner. Some of these do take a lot of patients in more time.

1425
02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:29,420
But an average each case takes about two hours. So if you also factor in the support that we're getting from public work facility, Shannon Wood, she routes us those cases. If you factor in that time, there's an administrative

1426
02:10:29,420 --> 02:10:36,860
of piece to this, too. I would say on average, it's about six hours a week that are worked

1427
02:10:36,860 --> 02:10:41,460
total for this position, and that's why I'm here before you guys tonight. This is based on

1428
02:10:41,460 --> 02:10:46,860
the system that we have today in City Administrator Gallery, our here tonight, because this is based

1429
02:10:46,860 --> 02:10:52,920
on the complaints that we have today, and this is based on us being a complaint based code

1430
02:10:53,600 --> 02:11:04,820
So what I wanted what we wanted to speak with Council about is if you do want us to proceed with the full-time position, I think it's going to be a paradigm shift of how this person operates.

1431
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:17,200
They will likely be seeking cases. So they will not instead of being reactive, they're going to be proactive. They'll be out in the community looking for violations and reporting them.

1432
02:11:17,200 --> 02:11:19,480
And that's a decision by Council.

1433
02:11:19,620 --> 02:11:22,400
Do we want a more proactive, cool compliance?

1434
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:24,400
They can serve other functions.

1435
02:11:25,240 --> 02:11:27,920
We just passed what is the irrigation code changes

1436
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:29,340
for water conservation measures.

1437
02:11:29,540 --> 02:11:30,860
We're going to have certain days of the week

1438
02:11:30,860 --> 02:11:32,700
that you be watering your lawn on.

1439
02:11:32,940 --> 02:11:35,000
They could go out there and educate people

1440
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:38,100
if that's something this Council seeks.

1441
02:11:39,100 --> 02:11:43,260
Realistically, Robin, I have spoken about them supporting staff

1442
02:11:43,260 --> 02:11:45,700
by reviewing the clearing permits and the saying permits

1443
02:11:45,700 --> 02:11:50,060
because that's the lion's share of the violations that we see in the planning department

1444
02:11:50,060 --> 02:11:52,780
is clearing without a permit and signs without a permit.

1445
02:11:53,740 --> 02:11:58,480
I don't need them to do that, meaning our staff is currently able to manage that workload,

1446
02:11:59,120 --> 02:12:02,180
but we can look for additional work for them.

1447
02:12:02,380 --> 02:12:07,880
I do want to caution and just make council aware that if that is the path we want to continue

1448
02:12:07,880 --> 02:12:11,980
to proceed on and this was included in the packet that we would need an additional budget

1449
02:12:11,980 --> 02:12:12,380
adjustment.

1450
02:12:12,380 --> 02:12:18,960
we don't currently have a vehicle for the planning department at all, and so I just did a

1451
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:24,680
worst case scenario based on our last numbers of $60 something thousand dollars, so a vehicle

1452
02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:31,140
would be necessary if we were to continue with a full-time enforcement. And then the other

1453
02:12:31,140 --> 02:12:36,760
options just for Council to consider, and you can make these tonight, or you can decide that we

1454
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:40,940
want to continue this discussion as part of the budget, and we just wanted to kind of air this out,

1455
02:12:40,940 --> 02:12:46,520
we could pivot and look at potentially a part-time position with some limited additional duties

1456
02:12:46,520 --> 02:12:51,660
because again I don't think there's a full-time need but I do want to add one thing that I didn't

1457
02:12:51,660 --> 02:13:00,620
shed light on is our communications with our new building official and his work as with fire

1458
02:13:01,880 --> 02:13:08,190
code he is currently seeking his fire code certification and he's working very closely with our

1459
02:13:08,190 --> 02:13:13,090
Marshall, who has the ability to go out and identify problems, but he can't actually correct

1460
02:13:13,090 --> 02:13:13,350
them.

1461
02:13:13,490 --> 02:13:18,870
So he does lean in on building, and our building official, as you all know, came from

1462
02:13:18,870 --> 02:13:24,670
Fort Townsend, where they had a full code compliance officer, and he thinks he could help

1463
02:13:24,670 --> 02:13:27,250
resolve some of the matters that we're experiencing.

1464
02:13:27,690 --> 02:13:31,030
They have most visible example I can give you all that you can relate to, probably, as

1465
02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:33,790
the tense that we had outside of rainy days and echoes.

1466
02:13:33,790 --> 02:13:37,890
That was a joint effort with fire and building to get those removes.

1467
02:13:38,070 --> 02:13:43,710
They were allowed during COVID and it took some time and effort so there are some opportunities

1468
02:13:43,710 --> 02:13:49,630
for building to plug in a little bit more and lean more into that because one thing that

1469
02:13:49,630 --> 02:13:54,910
our building official reminded me of is like we've got some really easy cases now but we can't

1470
02:13:54,910 --> 02:13:58,650
always be guaranteed that we're going to have those cases so I'm saying that because that could

1471
02:13:58,650 --> 02:14:01,170
potentially lead to a part-time position

1472
02:14:01,170 --> 02:14:04,590
with some very limited additional duties based on some

1473
02:14:04,590 --> 02:14:08,130
of the new fire compliance that we could be seeking.

1474
02:14:08,590 --> 02:14:11,890
And then lastly, an option for council to consider is,

1475
02:14:11,970 --> 02:14:13,790
do we continue with that as well?

1476
02:14:14,630 --> 02:14:17,370
And continue to allow that we don't have a designated

1477
02:14:17,370 --> 02:14:22,590
co-compliance officer is supported by all of the department

1478
02:14:23,330 --> 02:14:26,150
and we would still continue with modifying the code.

1479
02:14:27,130 --> 02:14:28,530
So with that, did you have anything else

1480
02:14:28,530 --> 02:14:29,210
do you want to add?

1481
02:14:29,450 --> 02:14:32,010
No, I think you've four of that summary,

1482
02:14:32,610 --> 02:14:38,510
because basically it is a system that works.

1483
02:14:39,070 --> 02:14:42,770
And I think from an observation, I get all copied

1484
02:14:42,770 --> 02:14:47,230
on all of the complaints, so I get them in my inbox every day.

1485
02:14:47,650 --> 02:14:51,330
What I really like about the approach that we have

1486
02:14:51,330 --> 02:14:53,570
is that in some levels, it is decentralized

1487
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:56,670
to the extent that you have folks that are addressing it

1488
02:14:56,670 --> 02:14:59,970
deal with that body of code on any good.

1489
02:15:00,820 --> 02:15:15,140
And the fact that it is well coordinated, and you're right, the items that really take a long time and kind of level to add a level of severity or intricacy.

1490
02:15:15,140 --> 02:15:17,920
And though, that's not the right way.

1491
02:15:18,220 --> 02:15:19,340
Interacise, sorry.

1492
02:15:20,940 --> 02:15:22,780
You know, those are a few and far between.

1493
02:15:23,020 --> 02:15:26,360
We have everything from the dead rabbit in the road,

1494
02:15:28,180 --> 02:15:33,320
which we had, to, you know, just a lot of them being

1495
02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:37,660
a resolution of neighbor against neighbor.

1496
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:42,380
It's not even necessarily issues with code.

1497
02:15:42,380 --> 02:15:48,020
It's that somebody wants that neutral arbiter of some kind of dispute.

1498
02:15:49,260 --> 02:15:53,300
And it depends on the functionality of the H.O.A. or whatever.

1499
02:15:54,140 --> 02:15:57,800
If there's a vacuum, they're looking to the city to fill it.

1500
02:15:58,380 --> 02:16:02,900
But it doesn't necessarily justify the need for a position per se,

1501
02:16:03,660 --> 02:16:05,960
because I think we are effectively doing it.

1502
02:16:06,120 --> 02:16:10,260
That caveat that Heather talked about, if you want a different approach,

1503
02:16:10,260 --> 02:16:17,580
That's a different story, but I don't think that I would recommend based on how all of our other

1504
02:16:17,580 --> 02:16:22,900
neighboring jurisdictions are usually a complaint-based approach, and they're not seeking

1505
02:16:22,900 --> 02:16:30,360
out, they're not being that driving around and looking for issues to catch people on.

1506
02:16:30,840 --> 02:16:37,760
It creates a very different feel in the community, and if I can take this quick little moment,

1507
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:44,280
I would say that if we're a recommendation I would have would be to sort of plan to see

1508
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:51,720
that I know I'm outside of the budget process, but given that there is capacity in the budget

1509
02:16:51,720 --> 02:16:59,640
for this position, I think there are other roles that we could definitely benefit from and

1510
02:16:59,640 --> 02:17:04,520
one of them being from the learnings of the past several months would be to actually have

1511
02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:11,300
communications manager to actually maybe reposition these resources into that functionality

1512
02:17:11,300 --> 02:17:17,920
that would actually layer a level of benefit to all of the departments throughout the city as

1513
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:18,200
well.

1514
02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:20,460
So that's my pitch.

1515
02:17:21,680 --> 02:17:26,980
Just a quick word after meeting with staff, I concur with continuing with the status quo.

1516
02:17:27,300 --> 02:17:32,660
I know when I was council I advocated with Mayor Erickson for a code compliance but part

1517
02:17:32,660 --> 02:17:39,260
that was the memory of the police and court function combined, and that is no longer the model.

1518
02:17:39,880 --> 02:17:47,200
So I would urge council to look at the continuous status quo, but I'll turn it over to you.

1519
02:17:47,780 --> 02:17:49,060
And who would like to go first?

1520
02:17:49,900 --> 02:17:50,780
That's Doug Taver.

1521
02:17:55,440 --> 02:17:59,760
Yeah, I think considering just balancing priorities and hearing the statutory recommendation

1522
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:06,080
in the ways presented with the hours and the current status quo and the benefit to the city.

1523
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:16,740
I think focusing our investment on our police force and them taking up the bulk of series, you

1524
02:18:16,740 --> 02:18:23,440
know municipal infractions and safety issues, and then our current planning and public

1525
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:28,280
work departments taking it, you know, doing responding to the complaints makes sense

1526
02:18:28,280 --> 02:18:33,640
and like the way you painted that. And I think I'm using the funds for communications as

1527
02:18:33,640 --> 02:18:42,320
would be used across departments for all implementation that would impact the community, right?

1528
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:46,280
That would be the idea, is that it would be?

1529
02:18:46,340 --> 02:18:50,160
It's a resource that no one department has.

1530
02:18:50,480 --> 02:18:51,220
We don't have that depth.

1531
02:18:51,520 --> 02:18:55,620
So it would be a single position that would be centralized for supporting all departments.

1532
02:18:55,680 --> 02:18:58,900
Which I like because it could be essentially preventative for code enforcement.

1533
02:18:59,180 --> 02:19:01,560
It could say, hey, these signs aren't supposed to be up,

1534
02:19:01,560 --> 02:19:03,300
and they could have a communication campaign

1535
02:19:03,300 --> 02:19:05,620
for first seeing a code enforcement area, that's problematic.

1536
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:10,180
Or yes, and, or you think about the upcoming work

1537
02:19:10,180 --> 02:19:12,320
in the communication that we need to do

1538
02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:16,900
with all the businesses when we get onto the front street

1539
02:19:16,900 --> 02:19:17,700
project, right?

1540
02:19:17,880 --> 02:19:21,220
That's gonna be a high need to partnering with public works

1541
02:19:21,220 --> 02:19:23,980
and engineers who are thinking about a project,

1542
02:19:24,460 --> 02:19:27,260
but don't necessarily, well, they're great communicators,

1543
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:31,080
that's not their thing to actually have to add

1544
02:19:31,080 --> 02:19:36,900
level of, okay, how are we, what's the messaging? What are the bullet points? How do we get it out there? How do we do that engagement?

1545
02:19:37,580 --> 02:19:44,360
So just so far from what I've heard, I think proactive is the communications role, and I think being reactive is more of the code enforcement.

1546
02:19:44,380 --> 02:19:48,260
So I lean towards the communication role for these funds, thanks.

1547
02:19:49,340 --> 02:19:49,760
Layton.

1548
02:19:51,420 --> 02:19:59,960
I want to say thank you Heather for just your honesty about being able to do the

1549
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:08,020
Work, you know, it's so easy to see an opportunity to have more support and I know that your staff is already very stretched.

1550
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:15,080
You do a lot and you do it very well and I also appreciate your broader view.

1551
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:17,160
So thank you for that.

1552
02:20:17,160 --> 02:20:26,680
And I very much support the idea of us looking at a communications person to help across.

1553
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:40,400
I really support that idea and I think given where we are, as a community, it's not time to do something that is going to be perceived as punitive or proactively looking for a problem.

1554
02:20:41,460 --> 02:20:42,440
So, thank you.

1555
02:20:43,480 --> 02:20:44,520
Who else?

1556
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:46,140
Question clarification?

1557
02:20:48,180 --> 02:20:48,320
Rick.

1558
02:20:51,020 --> 02:20:52,340
Yeah, appreciate the rundown.

1559
02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:56,180
And for everybody note, Heather said the same thing to be months ago.

1560
02:20:56,340 --> 02:20:57,800
That she took blame for this not being done.

1561
02:20:57,980 --> 02:20:59,180
And I thought, like, you're busy.

1562
02:20:59,580 --> 02:21:00,100
I get it.

1563
02:21:00,220 --> 02:21:02,340
Don't worry about it.

1564
02:21:03,160 --> 02:21:07,420
I appreciate the hours and say, how where we are now.

1565
02:21:09,440 --> 02:21:14,120
One of the reasons that I kind of really sort of kept on this after we got to

1566
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:19,760
this point is sort of, some of the other things we've talked about is future looking.

1567
02:21:20,420 --> 02:21:24,580
So, yeah, this is where we are now, but the bigger we get, and the closer people get to

1568
02:21:24,580 --> 02:21:29,120
each other, the more of some of what you describe it, I think is going to happen.

1569
02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:36,540
I also have concerns that because this has been making for so long, you know, we're

1570
02:21:36,540 --> 02:21:42,940
complaint driven, but it requires citizens to know what to complain about, you know, they don't

1571
02:21:42,940 --> 02:21:47,040
know the code, they don't necessarily know that what their neighbors doing right now is it again,

1572
02:21:47,240 --> 02:21:47,880
isn't legit.

1573
02:21:48,420 --> 02:21:52,300
So they don't know to call it in and go, hey, you know, like you mentioned that tree.

1574
02:21:53,180 --> 02:21:57,280
That's one area where I want us to be proactive, because once that tree was cut down,

1575
02:21:57,700 --> 02:22:02,540
and that was a hundred, probably one, hundred, two hundred, three hundred year old tree,

1576
02:22:03,140 --> 02:22:03,640
it's gone.

1577
02:22:05,420 --> 02:22:11,080
So complaint after the fact is fine for certain things, but there's other areas where I really

1578
02:22:11,080 --> 02:22:16,800
to be proactive because it's too late after the fact like that tree is a perfect example.

1579
02:22:18,040 --> 02:22:21,700
We can do all the mitigation we want but that tree is never coming back.

1580
02:22:22,340 --> 02:22:29,340
And I heard plenty of people and I know Becky heard plenty of people about how there you

1581
02:22:29,340 --> 02:22:35,000
allowed that tree to be cut down. So I get it and you know we don't want somebody to drive around

1582
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:38,300
the neighborhood that's necessarily looking at people's windows going you need something wrong.

1583
02:22:38,300 --> 02:22:51,280
And I trust you all that, you know, I don't fear the worst case scenarios when it comes to building in the city, because I think we do the job well, you do the job well.

1584
02:22:51,700 --> 02:23:04,100
But if we can take some of the pressure off of all of you to not necessarily have to do these things, in addition to all the other things you're doing, and have someone to do it, you know, I see value in that.

1585
02:23:04,100 --> 02:23:11,100
I absolutely see value in a communications officer, so I'm to really torn between those two.

1586
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:17,200
And you know if we can recycle a police vehicle that's about to come offline with that that might give a car

1587
02:23:17,200 --> 02:23:23,380
And we don't necessarily have to buy a new car. We're really good at recycling cop cars into public works and everybody else

1588
02:23:23,380 --> 02:23:29,420
So maybe that's you know, we could still do the vehicle by downgrading a police vehicle into a code enforcement car

1589
02:23:29,420 --> 02:23:32,600
Okay, we have, please respond.

1590
02:23:32,820 --> 02:23:40,100
Well, I just one thought the popped in my head is that even with a person, you're not going

1591
02:23:40,100 --> 02:23:45,720
to be able to be in the right place at the right time for most of those egregious things

1592
02:23:45,720 --> 02:23:46,780
that would happen.

1593
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:54,220
Unfortunately, people that generally do those things are not going to do them when they'll

1594
02:23:54,220 --> 02:23:56,000
be noticed, unfortunately.

1595
02:23:56,520 --> 02:24:12,360
So I think we're always going to have a system that's going to rely on others watching and then sharing that with us whether or not it's also becomes an educational moment because they can say hey my neighbor's doing this and then we can confirm

1596
02:24:12,360 --> 02:24:21,180
Yes, no, they shouldn't be doing that. We go talk to the neighbor or you know actually that is allowed and if you have an educational moment on the flip side of that.

1597
02:24:21,180 --> 02:24:27,120
So we have grit, then Doug Caver, and then Michael Ed just one final thought.

1598
02:24:28,400 --> 02:24:30,700
It kind of goes with some of the things that we're said earlier.

1599
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:33,700
We are putting a lot of things on our businesses.

1600
02:24:33,980 --> 02:24:35,760
We have done that in many ways.

1601
02:24:37,300 --> 02:24:43,880
So I have a sympathy to those that are doing it correctly if we're allowing others to not

1602
02:24:43,880 --> 02:24:44,820
do things correctly.

1603
02:24:45,740 --> 02:24:50,680
And so, you know, like B&O tax realized on people having business licenses and doing all

1604
02:24:50,680 --> 02:24:55,380
write things and then they're paying their taxes and they're hit. And so if there's people

1605
02:24:55,380 --> 02:24:59,980
not doing things right, they're getting away with not doing all the things.

1606
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,420
Is the people who are doing it right? So I have a sympathy there that it's like we have put this extra burden on the folks that follow the rules. And if we don't, at least a little bit, proactively look for the folks that aren't following the rules, that is a way that we're stressing certain elements of the community and not others. So yeah, I don't necessarily want somebody driving around looking for violations, but at the same time, I kind of, those that aren't doing it the right way.

1607
02:25:30,340 --> 02:25:31,520
need to be held accountable.

1608
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:39,120
So if this isn't the right way to do it, you're the professionals, but I want fairness.

1609
02:25:40,360 --> 02:25:44,060
And I want those that are doing the right thing to be rewarded for doing the right thing,

1610
02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:46,800
and those that are not to be brought in the compliance.

1611
02:25:48,020 --> 02:25:48,720
Go ahead, Brett.

1612
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:54,520
Yeah, I mean, my initial point was similar to what Rob said.

1613
02:25:54,520 --> 02:25:57,460
I think one person can't be in all the places

1614
02:25:57,460 --> 02:26:01,460
and if someone's determined to cut down an old growth tree,

1615
02:26:02,140 --> 02:26:04,740
they don't really care what the rules are.

1616
02:26:05,040 --> 02:26:08,100
And it takes a fraction of the amount of time

1617
02:26:08,100 --> 02:26:09,640
to cut it down as it did for it to grow.

1618
02:26:12,020 --> 02:26:14,880
So I mean, developers do it all the time.

1619
02:26:15,020 --> 02:26:17,340
They know exactly what they're supposed to pertain.

1620
02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:20,160
And they cut down whatever they want

1621
02:26:20,160 --> 02:26:22,300
because you can't put the trees back.

1622
02:26:22,300 --> 02:26:24,100
So, it's very frustrating,

1623
02:26:26,180 --> 02:26:36,340
but I think I just agree overall with our planning and building

1624
02:26:36,340 --> 02:26:46,220
departments have created a reputation within this county of being friendly and on your

1625
02:26:46,220 --> 02:26:53,240
side when you come in to apply for permitting and that's the culture that we have here.

1626
02:26:53,240 --> 02:27:00,260
It's supportive, and so I think it does feel a little bit at odds for a position like this.

1627
02:27:00,420 --> 02:27:05,960
The only way it makes sense is if we're completely proactive, and we send somebody out.

1628
02:27:06,300 --> 02:27:08,980
And they're looking for all the infractions.

1629
02:27:09,560 --> 02:27:22,280
And that feels like there's tension with really how the rest of the departments are functioning as people and like outward facing.

1630
02:27:22,280 --> 02:27:36,580
So, I think the communication, I like what you said dug about a communication PR person could help with some education components to all the rest of this.

1631
02:27:36,860 --> 02:27:42,660
Like, if people don't even know what the rules are, they may not even necessarily know they're breaking them.

1632
02:27:42,660 --> 02:27:49,440
Quick note just think about the irrigation. Yeah, right we changed that like they don't know it and then some of those around finding people

1633
02:27:49,440 --> 02:27:52,220
That's not fun, but some of them goes around communicating

1634
02:27:53,460 --> 02:27:55,100
Most cases of

1635
02:27:55,100 --> 02:28:00,520
But I think you've all heard me many many many times beating the drum of us needing

1636
02:28:01,320 --> 02:28:09,420
Consistent communication and PR and it's it's only continuing. It's only gotten more important in my opinion

1637
02:28:09,420 --> 02:28:12,480
So I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep beating that drum

1638
02:28:17,700 --> 02:28:27,880
We live in a world where we have the basic foundations that our community, our families, our schools,

1639
02:28:29,220 --> 02:28:34,920
educateds and that's how to behave to others and how to conduct ourselves.

1640
02:28:35,380 --> 02:28:42,640
And that gets reinforced as we walk around as we drive around as we look around what is our community

1641
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:49,180
of these standards, not leaving five cars in the front yard, is a community standard.

1642
02:28:49,440 --> 02:28:51,700
We have here in the City of Pulsebow in its reinforced.

1643
02:28:54,500 --> 02:29:00,700
I don't think we want to be in a situation where to move into the City of Pulsebow, we're

1644
02:29:00,700 --> 02:29:06,720
going to ask people to read the Pulsebow municipal code to make sure they don't get in trouble

1645
02:29:06,720 --> 02:29:11,760
because we're going to actively check them on chapter 14 of it.

1646
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:14,020
I don't think that's anybody's intention.

1647
02:29:15,380 --> 02:29:17,780
I do think that people raise their hand and say,

1648
02:29:18,020 --> 02:29:21,600
hey, this doesn't seem right, and I'll call the city.

1649
02:29:22,860 --> 02:29:26,060
And we're living a situation where our city answers the phone.

1650
02:29:26,560 --> 02:29:28,420
If you call the county right now,

1651
02:29:28,480 --> 02:29:31,940
it's hard to get something to even ask the question.

1652
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:36,280
And so I appreciate the fact that we have our experts

1653
02:29:36,280 --> 02:29:39,620
answering the phone with regards to the code,

1654
02:29:39,620 --> 02:29:46,700
Instead of having somebody in between, I appreciate what the city has presented tonight

1655
02:29:46,700 --> 02:29:55,180
that they believe it's working and I support the continued status quo at this standpoint.

1656
02:29:57,360 --> 02:29:57,620
Michael.

1657
02:30:01,070 --> 02:30:11,690
I think Brit said most of what I was going to say, so I just want to echo her comments that I much more prefer education over penalization.

1658
02:30:12,450 --> 02:30:28,090
And so, if we can have a communications officer that serves all departments and who has as part of their mission statement to inform the public, not just about actions, but about expectations.

1659
02:30:28,090 --> 02:30:31,550
I think that would be a better use of our time.

1660
02:30:33,370 --> 02:30:33,830
And Pam?

1661
02:30:36,500 --> 02:30:37,740
Just a clarifying question.

1662
02:30:37,960 --> 02:30:42,420
I see that it has included in the budget.

1663
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:45,000
It says no amount of 65,000.

1664
02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:46,940
Can you clarify what that is?

1665
02:30:47,720 --> 02:30:48,020
Yes.

1666
02:30:48,540 --> 02:30:53,080
So what was included in the budget was the position to be filled at the 133.

1667
02:30:53,620 --> 02:30:55,280
And that's been factored into these years.

1668
02:30:55,360 --> 02:30:58,220
Budget about what was included was the vehicle.

1669
02:30:58,220 --> 02:31:04,180
And so that was just my best estimate of what the vehicle across would be if we weren't able to reuse that police vehicle.

1670
02:31:04,760 --> 02:31:13,800
Okay. All right. And then another question is in reference to the numbers that you have captured as far as complaints over the years.

1671
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:18,860
Is the, you said that not all of the, a lot of them have been were resolved.

1672
02:31:19,780 --> 02:31:26,220
If there's a way to get an idea of the ones that still required some

1673
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:36,260
action, and because I can see if, with the proactive place, peace, education folded in,

1674
02:31:36,500 --> 02:31:39,080
the person is still going to also be receiving complaints.

1675
02:31:39,780 --> 02:31:49,560
So it is going to be like a tri-fold of several components, and definitely full-time.

1676
02:31:49,560 --> 02:31:57,960
I see it being full-time, and to understand not only the person being full-time, but regarding

1677
02:31:57,960 --> 02:32:10,060
the communications person, that's a whole separate position and a whole separate cost.

1678
02:32:11,860 --> 02:32:14,840
That will have to be considered at a later time, correct?

1679
02:32:16,060 --> 02:32:16,540
Just trying to...

1680
02:32:16,540 --> 02:32:17,160
That's correct.

1681
02:32:17,160 --> 02:32:23,400
I know we've been a couple of positions together, but we're not through this action of proving information officer.

1682
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:24,740
Thank you.

1683
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:25,680
All right.

1684
02:32:25,980 --> 02:32:29,240
And I'll just answer that in my almost five years.

1685
02:32:30,620 --> 02:32:33,600
I've had three cases that we haven't.

1686
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:37,520
We haven't achieved resolution, but they're all on the path.

1687
02:32:43,300 --> 02:32:47,600
This is only a related question.

1688
02:32:49,480 --> 02:33:06,200
The tree issues seems to be kind of the most predominant, maybe the most serious, are there other mechanisms for us to change the penalty or our response or how we approach that that is separate from this conversation that we maybe need to put on an agenda or

1689
02:33:06,200 --> 02:33:08,600
That's a fantastic question and yes.

1690
02:33:09,580 --> 02:33:15,320
You can absolutely have a specific fine for tree removal without a permit.

1691
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:20,020
That's an approach that Council could take that could be based on the type of tree.

1692
02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:26,140
It's still there's still the complexity and achieving the fine, not achieving the fine.

1693
02:33:26,260 --> 02:33:29,360
Excuse me, but actually, recouping those costs right.

1694
02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:31,120
There's still that complexity in it.

1695
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:46,340
But there's also more that can be done in terms of specifying what kind of replanting that we want in our code and making it more geared towards the type of tree that was removed in the impact of that tree.

1696
02:33:47,260 --> 02:33:56,960
So, another time I can tell you about the tree we've been in question tonight and how they're seeking compliance because it's actually a good case study, but it's not the same.

1697
02:33:58,140 --> 02:34:04,400
So I don't want to go down that path, but yes, there are ways that you can amend your

1698
02:34:04,400 --> 02:34:06,420
tree code to get a different results.

1699
02:34:06,780 --> 02:34:10,460
And I think that's a fantastic perspective because that is the lion chair of the complaints

1700
02:34:10,460 --> 02:34:11,340
that we get.

1701
02:34:16,320 --> 02:34:17,120
Bricked it.

1702
02:34:17,220 --> 02:34:17,820
You haven't taken down?

1703
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:20,040
It's just going to provide a little context for later.

1704
02:34:20,360 --> 02:34:25,540
You just have the tree question, because we do have a tree board comprised of volunteers.

1705
02:34:25,800 --> 02:34:31,340
And I think that's super important, and I've always hoped that we could empower them to investigate

1706
02:34:31,340 --> 02:34:41,980
how we could strengthen our code. Because, you know, we have code around trees, but our neighbors

1707
02:34:41,980 --> 02:34:49,200
to the south, the image island has very, very, very stringent tree code. And maybe we could just find

1708
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:58,580
like a balance of doing more, yeah, that would be, that's been my hope for years.

1709
02:35:01,230 --> 02:35:02,430
So, Rick,

1710
02:35:04,530 --> 02:35:08,550
yeah. So, after choose, I'm going to go to the communication officer,

1711
02:35:10,900 --> 02:35:15,980
because they can, they can fulfill some of the functions of what we wanted out of the go-to officer.

1712
02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:31,600
But I'm also going to fall back to the conversation that we had when we were talking about an administrator. So, quite a while back at this point, but end of the day, I think we, because we went around around about a communication officer then.

1713
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:35,820
And I swore we funded it, but we were going to not fill it,

1714
02:35:35,920 --> 02:35:41,680
to look at City Avenue was hired and in, but I couldn't prove that.

1715
02:35:41,880 --> 02:35:44,360
And I talked to Dad, but yeah, it wasn't there.

1716
02:35:44,720 --> 02:35:46,160
So that was just me thinking we did that.

1717
02:35:47,300 --> 02:35:50,740
But what the crux of that was was we were going to

1718
02:35:50,740 --> 02:35:52,220
create a city administrator position.

1719
02:35:52,300 --> 02:35:53,920
We were going to empower them to run the city.

1720
02:35:54,660 --> 02:35:58,520
And it should be incumbent on them to decide what they want,

1721
02:35:58,520 --> 02:36:01,880
and how they want to run this and all of us to let them do their job.

1722
02:36:03,400 --> 02:36:08,360
So as much as, and how I feel about all this, again,

1723
02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:09,940
I'm going to leave more towards communication,

1724
02:36:10,200 --> 02:36:12,500
because I think that's a greater problem.

1725
02:36:13,880 --> 02:36:15,600
Issue, however, one of the say the words.

1726
02:36:16,900 --> 02:36:18,080
Sure, there you go.

1727
02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:21,220
It's like you were on this one day and four.

1728
02:36:22,840 --> 02:36:25,900
And in the day, you're going to figure out

1729
02:36:25,900 --> 02:36:26,900
how you want to run this.

1730
02:36:26,900 --> 02:36:29,320
And so I'm going to go with what you think we should do best.

1731
02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:37,580
So just to firm I hear the council broadly, a consensus to continue as it's displayed

1732
02:36:37,580 --> 02:36:44,320
on the screen, and that city staff will look into a public information officer and come back

1733
02:36:44,320 --> 02:36:49,120
with further information for council as they determine parameters.

1734
02:36:49,400 --> 02:36:51,940
That would go through the regular budget process.

1735
02:36:52,600 --> 02:36:52,620
Yes.

1736
02:36:53,480 --> 02:36:54,400
All good.

1737
02:36:56,300 --> 02:36:57,380
Then we're going to move on.

1738
02:36:57,380 --> 02:37:00,920
This will be led by Reendon Fernandez and Debbie Boer.

1739
02:37:01,540 --> 02:37:08,060
This is the Bionil Budget, 2027-2828, the Council Budget Legislative.

1740
02:37:08,440 --> 02:37:10,360
This is your working goals.

1741
02:37:10,760 --> 02:37:11,680
These are leftover.

1742
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:13,260
I use that term.

1743
02:37:13,500 --> 02:37:16,800
From when the city used to fully employ performance measurements,

1744
02:37:16,820 --> 02:37:19,020
but we still utilize goals.

1745
02:37:19,580 --> 02:37:22,540
And my one recollection, I remember a debate,

1746
02:37:22,540 --> 02:37:30,400
are council goals telling city staff what to do versus council goals being that

1747
02:37:30,400 --> 02:37:36,180
work to councils willing to undertake individually or as a body of its own

1748
02:37:36,180 --> 02:37:40,780
accord. So on that note, I'm going to turn it over to Debbie Burr, remember

1749
02:37:40,780 --> 02:37:46,960
some of those lively debates. The correctists went back and forth several years

1750
02:37:46,960 --> 02:37:52,380
in different directions. The best laid plan is for the council to set their goals

1751
02:37:52,380 --> 02:37:57,160
and their priorities when we start early in the year for every treat because that also provides

1752
02:37:57,160 --> 02:38:00,580
direction for departments when they develop their working budgets.

1753
02:38:01,880 --> 02:38:06,420
But keeping in mind sometimes the departments need to also communicate on what's attainable

1754
02:38:06,420 --> 02:38:07,380
and not attainable.

1755
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:12,860
But at least we know what the priorities are because you are working on behalf of our citizens

1756
02:38:12,860 --> 02:38:18,940
and our residents and we are trying to accomplish those directions and so it's a little bit

1757
02:38:18,940 --> 02:38:25,400
mix keeping in mind if we have the workload to do them and sometimes a goal in order to

1758
02:38:25,400 --> 02:38:31,360
set a goal you have to have objectives which are ways to accomplish the goal and you

1759
02:38:31,360 --> 02:38:35,900
have to have measures because if you can't measure a goal you'll never know if you accomplish

1760
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:38,340
it. So does that help?

1761
02:38:45,460 --> 02:38:47,460
I don't know if you want to go over these

1762
02:38:47,460 --> 02:38:51,440
mayors since you were helped with it two years ago with these being formed, you know.

1763
02:38:51,440 --> 02:38:58,700
I think it'd be helpful if the rean and you could review in the last budget document what the council identified.

1764
02:38:59,340 --> 02:39:01,500
This is the budget document two years ago.

1765
02:39:01,700 --> 02:39:03,460
So the first one is economic development.

1766
02:39:04,120 --> 02:39:06,440
The goal was to develop a long-term economic development.

1767
02:39:07,500 --> 02:39:12,080
Objective is supportive of the college with the regional Allied Health Expansion and Western Washington University

1768
02:39:12,080 --> 02:39:16,740
Capital Improvements and discussed joint utilization and planning issues related to the college campus and

1769
02:39:16,740 --> 02:39:22,120
field outs. You want to encourage development of the C2, 3 and 4 commercial zones for housing

1770
02:39:22,120 --> 02:39:27,140
and community centers outside the historic downtown area and you want to explore the creative

1771
02:39:27,140 --> 02:39:33,740
arts district designation. Would you like me to stop on this one or read through the other

1772
02:39:33,740 --> 02:39:34,720
three goals?

1773
02:39:38,400 --> 02:39:42,660
As to the economic development, I can affirm that myself and now Pam Crow who's our

1774
02:39:42,660 --> 02:39:48,840
liaison to the University and College of Working very hard on this. We had a meeting three weeks ago,

1775
02:39:48,840 --> 02:39:52,080
We're going to have a meeting coming up in November.

1776
02:39:53,180 --> 02:39:55,280
So that one remains viable and ongoing.

1777
02:39:57,060 --> 02:39:59,280
It's Council concurred with that.

1778
02:40:02,010 --> 02:40:10,550
So, just for some other clarity too, last time we did this, there wasn't a whole lot of interest in the whole council as a whole to drafting these.

1779
02:40:11,170 --> 02:40:15,210
So, what happened is, Ed Riannen and I sat down and did this.

1780
02:40:16,130 --> 02:40:20,770
And so, as you can look at this first one, you can pretty much tell who wrote what.

1781
02:40:20,770 --> 02:40:30,970
Yes, and who why it says what it says because this was Ed Riannid and I and this is what I liked and what Ed liked so

1782
02:40:31,870 --> 02:40:39,970
Rather than it being what I liked in Ed liked we this should be more of a comprehensive with the whole council wants so

1783
02:40:41,630 --> 02:40:43,530
Like further down

1784
02:40:44,790 --> 02:40:50,370
Which one is it? Well, I'm just gonna say like so revenue it used to say

1785
02:40:53,510 --> 02:40:57,550
for downtown revitalize downtown.

1786
02:40:58,570 --> 02:41:00,910
We changed that word because it's like downtown is vital.

1787
02:41:01,050 --> 02:41:02,530
We don't need to revitalize anything.

1788
02:41:03,130 --> 02:41:05,270
So we made it into comprehensive improvement

1789
02:41:05,270 --> 02:41:06,650
and modernization strategy.

1790
02:41:07,950 --> 02:41:10,830
But this was very much a, we wrote it,

1791
02:41:10,870 --> 02:41:12,230
brought it to the council and the council said,

1792
02:41:12,250 --> 02:41:12,880
sure, it sounds good.

1793
02:41:13,770 --> 02:41:16,890
So I would encourage that we don't do that this time.

1794
02:41:17,570 --> 02:41:20,250
Can I explain to you how the goals are set?

1795
02:41:20,370 --> 02:41:24,990
A goal should be a very short statement of things that you want to accomplish.

1796
02:41:25,290 --> 02:41:32,210
Your objective is how you are working to accomplish the goal and then the measurement actually

1797
02:41:32,210 --> 02:41:38,210
is the steps that the goal is accomplished or sometimes when it's just making improvements

1798
02:41:38,210 --> 02:41:43,670
it's measuring to make those steps along the way so that's how they're laid out.

1799
02:41:43,670 --> 02:41:46,250
Doug, you are motioning toward your microphone.

1800
02:41:46,530 --> 02:41:48,110
You still want it, Doug Nual.

1801
02:41:51,140 --> 02:41:52,760
Anybody else in OK, here he comes.

1802
02:41:57,950 --> 02:42:01,210
Oh, why is one from many decades of service to our city?

1803
02:42:01,210 --> 02:42:03,710
I'm sorry, I mean, a smart ass that's late at night.

1804
02:42:05,090 --> 02:42:08,530
How often did historically have we pulled these out

1805
02:42:08,530 --> 02:42:12,330
and actually worked them like on a quarterly basis?

1806
02:42:12,670 --> 02:42:15,050
I guess I'm trying to get to,

1807
02:42:16,690 --> 02:42:24,410
You're expressing my limited knowledge of what I think, I mean, do we use this as an active tool

1808
02:42:25,050 --> 02:42:35,050
or is this an opportunity for us to align the seven of us on city council to what we want to ask the city of?

1809
02:42:36,310 --> 02:42:42,610
Or I guess what's the value proposition for this document?

1810
02:42:45,830 --> 02:42:48,170
Okay, Brits showing more.

1811
02:42:49,990 --> 02:42:53,270
I can provide a little history too.

1812
02:42:53,910 --> 02:42:56,030
It's absolutely correct.

1813
02:42:56,690 --> 02:43:00,950
We've established goals and they're looked at probably once a year at the minimum.

1814
02:43:02,070 --> 02:43:06,730
Or I guess, and then usually it's developed every two years when we're doing the by any old budget.

1815
02:43:07,550 --> 02:43:12,090
It has been discussed of should we be bringing them back to measure to see if we're a accomplishment.

1816
02:43:12,750 --> 02:43:17,350
I think we've looked at as a staff as a more of a general picture if this is a council

1817
02:43:17,350 --> 02:43:17,630
goal.

1818
02:43:17,650 --> 02:43:20,470
What are we doing in our departments to help you accomplish that goal?

1819
02:43:20,670 --> 02:43:22,310
It's more of a vision and a leading statement.

1820
02:43:22,850 --> 02:43:26,530
But they're year goals and we can develop them and work with them anyway you want.

1821
02:43:26,810 --> 02:43:27,290
But yeah, you're right.

1822
02:43:27,470 --> 02:43:28,710
We don't look at them very often.

1823
02:43:29,110 --> 02:43:35,470
I would say that from my viewpoint, as a member of the Legislative, we're here to enable

1824
02:43:35,470 --> 02:43:41,210
the city to be successful and we should be actively working to support the city's

1825
02:43:42,730 --> 02:43:45,970
in their efforts to make it.

1826
02:43:46,510 --> 02:43:50,830
Instead of it being, hey, what is it that the council's working on?

1827
02:43:51,590 --> 02:43:54,410
We're working to enable the city to be successful.

1828
02:43:54,470 --> 02:43:55,830
What are the goals of the city?

1829
02:43:56,250 --> 02:43:58,290
And that's what our focus should be.

1830
02:43:58,790 --> 02:43:59,710
But that's,

1831
02:44:03,260 --> 02:44:04,560
as I look at these goals,

1832
02:44:04,820 --> 02:44:08,260
I sort of see these goals as really more of a vision,

1833
02:44:08,760 --> 02:44:11,140
which I think is our purpose,

1834
02:44:11,140 --> 02:44:18,260
is to set that vision and then enable the city to enact that vision through explicit objectives.

1835
02:44:20,160 --> 02:44:28,420
Great, but we have inside of the comp plan, you know, page after page after goals.

1836
02:44:29,300 --> 02:44:32,300
I guess in my mind, this is up for debate.

1837
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:34,240
What is the priority?

1838
02:44:35,060 --> 02:44:39,560
And if we have something I believe we should be actively working at,

1839
02:44:39,560 --> 02:44:46,880
instead of looking at it once every two years, and that was my question to the, and I would never call

1840
02:44:46,880 --> 02:44:54,520
Brit that the Elder State's woman, but I can do that to you at. And I appreciate it deeply,

1841
02:44:54,940 --> 02:44:59,700
but very deeply. I will say there's one exception to this occasionally.

1842
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:11,100
One or two or more of the council feel strongly about an effort to program a vision. That's not captured by city staff or in their budget or resource.

1843
02:45:11,700 --> 02:45:26,080
And it is an ability for that individual or a couple of council to go back to council and so to speak get a green light to pursue this, not just embedded in the city.

1844
02:45:26,080 --> 02:45:29,600
And oh, great example was over 25 years ago broadband.

1845
02:45:30,260 --> 02:45:32,020
The city had no way to address that.

1846
02:45:32,260 --> 02:45:34,680
The staff was busy with all the existing things.

1847
02:45:35,020 --> 02:45:36,380
We ran up by council and they said,

1848
02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:39,000
if you want to pursue that, we support that,

1849
02:45:39,140 --> 02:45:40,520
but it's going to be on you.

1850
02:45:40,940 --> 02:45:44,660
And that gave me enough leeway to approach the KPUD.

1851
02:45:44,880 --> 02:45:46,940
I'd report back from time to time.

1852
02:45:47,340 --> 02:45:50,140
So there is the opportunity for council individually

1853
02:45:51,020 --> 02:45:55,720
or in some combination to pursue a vision or goal

1854
02:45:55,720 --> 02:46:04,180
that doesn't have to be embraced or directly resource by the city, if there's enough passion or vision to try to accomplish such.

1855
02:46:05,440 --> 02:46:10,720
Yeah, like I've done as much homework as I can do on a creative arts district and pass it along,

1856
02:46:11,380 --> 02:46:15,600
but instead of point where I can read it again and again and again,

1857
02:46:16,040 --> 02:46:20,320
there's no much more I can do without resource decisions,

1858
02:46:20,320 --> 02:46:23,460
and which had to be made before we can apply,

1859
02:46:23,700 --> 02:46:26,400
which had to be made before we could go to the community groups

1860
02:46:26,400 --> 02:46:29,580
and ask them for support, like the next steps.

1861
02:46:30,280 --> 02:46:32,000
So I've done the homework.

1862
02:46:32,340 --> 02:46:37,000
I've filled out the application, probably about 85% of it.

1863
02:46:38,200 --> 02:46:39,740
I've made maps.

1864
02:46:40,620 --> 02:46:44,300
I've done a lot of, you know, I made a very rough presentation

1865
02:46:44,300 --> 02:46:45,060
with the council.

1866
02:46:45,940 --> 02:46:47,580
I've done a bunch of stuff on that,

1867
02:46:47,580 --> 02:46:51,740
but I've reached a point of, I can't do any more of my own, and I passed it along.

1868
02:46:53,440 --> 02:46:55,420
So, yeah, like I said, there's things here.

1869
02:46:55,720 --> 02:46:57,900
I mean, like you said about the confidence of plan.

1870
02:46:58,080 --> 02:47:01,920
I asked a bunch of ties when we were doing that, because, yeah, some of this is in there,

1871
02:47:01,920 --> 02:47:04,900
and I kept saying, well, what point do we actually talk about that piece?

1872
02:47:05,980 --> 02:47:10,760
Because it's already was written, and we never talked about it, and now we're back.

1873
02:47:11,640 --> 02:47:13,760
So, I agree, we should be pulling this out.

1874
02:47:13,760 --> 02:47:15,760
If we write it, we should use it.

1875
02:47:16,100 --> 02:47:20,040
One of the goals, synchronize public works and engineering

1876
02:47:20,040 --> 02:47:25,060
to implement, on periods of a front street with improved studies.

1877
02:47:25,460 --> 02:47:27,780
When we talked about that, the idea was,

1878
02:47:28,140 --> 02:47:29,840
we've got a whole bunch of studies we've done.

1879
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:31,120
We had studies we were doing.

1880
02:47:32,220 --> 02:47:34,960
They're all complimentary, but not necessarily overlapping.

1881
02:47:36,700 --> 02:47:38,440
Maybe we should hear about, once a quarter,

1882
02:47:38,580 --> 02:47:39,540
we should hear about that effort.

1883
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:42,320
But that's a direction to staff, and staff direction

1884
02:47:42,320 --> 02:47:43,300
is not in the school.

1885
02:47:44,060 --> 02:47:47,660
So it was, how do we tie these things together?

1886
02:47:48,220 --> 02:47:50,080
But if we don't bring it out in a year,

1887
02:47:50,340 --> 02:47:51,840
which we haven't brought it out in the year,

1888
02:47:52,280 --> 02:47:53,600
other than occasionally,

1889
02:47:54,480 --> 02:47:56,400
Bruton, I'd say, how would it get into a front street?

1890
02:47:57,980 --> 02:47:59,840
It doesn't, we're just not touching these.

1891
02:48:00,620 --> 02:48:01,200
So that's what I was saying.

1892
02:48:01,220 --> 02:48:04,800
I would like this to be either, we don't do it.

1893
02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:07,160
We say, this is not something we should do.

1894
02:48:07,220 --> 02:48:07,860
We put it away.

1895
02:48:08,300 --> 02:48:11,120
Or we do a more robust way of doing it.

1896
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:15,000
care it down, have a couple of things that we're really going to do and we really do.

1897
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:23,440
Can I make a suggestion maybe if it goes back to council member Nules comment about all

1898
02:48:23,440 --> 02:48:28,380
the goals that we have within our comprehensive plan that is our guiding document for the

1899
02:48:28,380 --> 02:48:36,020
next 20 years that sort of drives all the our capital facilities our CIPs you name it.

1900
02:48:36,020 --> 02:48:40,480
But there's a whole bunch of other goals in there that are those aspirational ones that

1901
02:48:40,480 --> 02:48:47,360
bubble up as the part of the creation of that plan. Maybe one way to approach it is to go through

1902
02:48:47,360 --> 02:49:05,620
the plan and identify the goals that Council would like to focus on for the next for the

1903
02:49:06,840 --> 02:49:13,900
provide that emphasis and then be able to make those incremental accomplishments towards the goals.

1904
02:49:14,320 --> 02:49:14,940
Just a thought.

1905
02:49:15,720 --> 02:49:16,240
Doug Taper.

1906
02:49:17,060 --> 02:49:19,640
So just to kind of clarify that point.

1907
02:49:20,160 --> 02:49:23,700
So this is more of looking at the compliance saying, okay, here are some goals that bubble

1908
02:49:23,700 --> 02:49:29,640
up and are we tracking on them or are we dropping them based on other things that have developed?

1909
02:49:29,640 --> 02:49:35,800
Because as a company, with Compland was developed, let's say, 160 days ago, another year

1910
02:49:35,800 --> 02:49:40,980
from now, where are we landing on the Compland in general and on the goals for Council?

1911
02:49:41,780 --> 02:49:45,280
And I was just going to say, this is a lot of this, like, Ancillary goals, and they change a lot.

1912
02:49:45,460 --> 02:49:49,560
Because our core goals, right, public safety, financial stability, infrastructure, public

1913
02:49:49,560 --> 02:49:53,160
works, sustainable development, maintaining our natural resources, those don't change.

1914
02:49:53,220 --> 02:49:54,640
That's our bread and butter.

1915
02:49:54,640 --> 02:49:59,620
But the ancillary stuff that's in the comp plan that we set and then years go by

1916
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,700
That's kind of, how do we track those? Is this kind of what I feel like we're kind of discussing?

1917
02:50:05,040 --> 02:50:14,220
Can I just add, we have in the budget document with very few people read. There is all of the goals, I'm just saying a truth.

1918
02:50:16,300 --> 02:50:20,720
There are, we have incorporated the goals from the comprehensive plan.

1919
02:50:21,000 --> 02:50:26,700
And those are your guiding principle and goals. The difference between these is these are the council's working goals.

1920
02:50:26,700 --> 02:50:31,180
So if we can go back to the first goal, so what I would say is your first goal is you want

1921
02:50:31,180 --> 02:50:35,000
to, and economic, or you want to develop some long-term economic development.

1922
02:50:35,360 --> 02:50:37,480
What you guys have done is you participate in Kita.

1923
02:50:38,180 --> 02:50:43,420
You go and you visit the businesses, you're tracking, you know, you're going into the city

1924
02:50:43,420 --> 02:50:46,280
and you're setting a zone that encourages economic development.

1925
02:50:46,480 --> 02:50:52,200
So this is a working goal of what you're doing to continue to develop long-term economic development.

1926
02:50:52,480 --> 02:50:56,260
So I think you're working on it and you don't even realize it because as part of your

1927
02:50:56,260 --> 02:50:58,400
natural day-to-day functions as a council.

1928
02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:03,140
So I think that's just putting into words what you guys

1929
02:51:03,140 --> 02:51:06,660
where your priorities are and how you want to develop those.

1930
02:51:07,000 --> 02:51:08,080
And that's how I see it.

1931
02:51:08,520 --> 02:51:09,400
And everybody can see it different.

1932
02:51:09,620 --> 02:51:10,460
Does that tell you?

1933
02:51:10,700 --> 02:51:12,000
I've been here 28 years.

1934
02:51:12,320 --> 02:51:14,260
And every time we go through goals, they're different.

1935
02:51:14,380 --> 02:51:16,100
And I kind of raise a white flag sometimes,

1936
02:51:16,180 --> 02:51:19,120
because it gets really hard to get everybody's opinion

1937
02:51:19,120 --> 02:51:20,980
and direction on the same one.

1938
02:51:21,700 --> 02:51:22,960
Can I ask a question?

1939
02:51:23,400 --> 02:51:26,240
Does this benefit you in the budget process?

1940
02:51:26,240 --> 02:51:28,900
Are these helpful in some way?

1941
02:51:30,180 --> 02:51:35,620
These are the council working goals, so do they help me not really unless I know.

1942
02:51:36,040 --> 02:51:42,340
If I know that you are in here and you are emphasizing, for instance, you guys have said a goal before we want to get a public workshop build.

1943
02:51:42,920 --> 02:51:43,800
We know that's a priority.

1944
02:51:44,260 --> 02:51:51,580
I've heard very loud speaking when we're talking about our long term city improvement plan or capital improvement plan.

1945
02:51:52,040 --> 02:51:53,240
Front street is a goal for you.

1946
02:51:53,240 --> 02:51:58,140
So engineering department has heard that and they've reparturized the work on that.

1947
02:51:58,540 --> 02:52:03,300
So some of those absolute earguning goals, this developing economic development that's more

1948
02:52:03,300 --> 02:52:07,720
in Heather's department, so maybe she's followed some of those trends to help support that.

1949
02:52:07,880 --> 02:52:13,460
Personally, I have not other than tracking the sales tax, so some of them are and some of them are

1950
02:52:13,460 --> 02:52:15,100
strictly what you guys are emphasizing.

1951
02:52:16,060 --> 02:52:22,200
We're going to come, departments are going to come and pitch their budget requests regardless of

1952
02:52:22,200 --> 02:52:27,700
council goals, but I agree with everything you just said. And I would add to this that I guess

1953
02:52:28,700 --> 02:52:36,040
a goal that wasn't put up there at the time, maybe because we had votes to get through or whatever,

1954
02:52:37,940 --> 02:52:44,900
but a very serious goal for me is we've implemented a hybrid paid parking model. We need to

1955
02:52:44,900 --> 02:52:51,400
make good on our word and take the revenue and fix the parking problem, which was ultimately

1956
02:52:51,400 --> 02:52:57,780
the reason for all of this in the first place. So we can't drop the ball on that. So for me that's

1957
02:52:57,780 --> 02:53:06,460
that's an intense drive to make sure that we work on the solutions to put that revenue to use.

1958
02:53:15,060 --> 02:53:15,660
So, so

1959
02:53:20,270 --> 02:53:24,990
then if there is value,

1960
02:53:30,040 --> 02:53:33,540
it wasn't going to ask you the answer to the question, but now that you did.

1961
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:42,190
I get sent to, you know, what is it that we want to work on?

1962
02:53:43,030 --> 02:53:48,910
If this is helpful to the 7 of us and then there's tangentially, it helps us get aligned

1963
02:53:49,690 --> 02:53:54,250
and the mayor and city administrator and budget team can help.

1964
02:53:54,730 --> 02:54:01,590
My sense is this last time that was eight o'clock, probably was eight o'clock two years ago

1965
02:54:01,590 --> 02:54:10,910
this time meeting that we kind of with, you know, right, right. And so it's

1966
02:54:10,910 --> 02:54:14,650
since to me we almost need to have an offsite to sit down and actually get a

1967
02:54:14,650 --> 02:54:21,870
line on goals or it's a collection of individual thoughts that might have

1968
02:54:21,870 --> 02:54:27,610
some thought. I don't know how to get from here to something actionable without

1969
02:54:27,610 --> 02:54:34,810
quite a bit of effort. And if we don't believe we want to spend that time compared to other things we want to work on.

1970
02:54:37,410 --> 02:54:41,050
So I think that's a quick follow up.

1971
02:54:41,430 --> 02:54:56,110
We have had two retreats. And at least one of those, if not both of those, we had something called Council goals that we listed out is this not that and could this be that.

1972
02:54:56,110 --> 02:54:56,530
You

1973
02:55:06,130 --> 02:55:16,730
Yeah, if we can, I think we're going to have to have, yes, a completely separate meeting or retreat to focus on council goals.

1974
02:55:17,590 --> 02:55:34,370
I, well, you know what, this is becoming like really, it should be straightforward, but I think that is just a little redundant and no offense.

1975
02:55:34,370 --> 02:55:37,650
and the fact that you set down and you wrote it.

1976
02:55:39,010 --> 02:55:43,830
But because there are comprehensive plans, moments in here,

1977
02:55:44,470 --> 02:55:47,970
if there's a way that we can just set aside some time,

1978
02:55:48,250 --> 02:55:50,790
I'm open to that so that we can focus on the goals

1979
02:55:50,790 --> 02:55:56,770
and make sure it does match as well with supporting

1980
02:55:56,770 --> 02:55:59,250
the comprehensive plan and other elements.

1981
02:55:59,470 --> 02:56:01,090
And also I'd like to see the impacts.

1982
02:56:01,090 --> 02:56:07,250
What goals in here might impact the department or budget dollars that we're not considering?

1983
02:56:08,150 --> 02:56:14,350
And call that out. I admit, I have a hard time kind of, it's like, yes, that's a goal,

1984
02:56:14,450 --> 02:56:20,690
great objective, but what are the impacts and reference to that? Does that make sense?

1985
02:56:23,250 --> 02:56:31,010
Yeah, something else kind of also occurs to me, which is that I think the biggest part of our job here

1986
02:56:31,010 --> 02:56:35,490
is responding to residents and what they want.

1987
02:56:36,150 --> 02:56:39,010
So we can list out all our goals,

1988
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:40,690
but if it's not in alignment,

1989
02:56:40,970 --> 02:56:44,850
we're gonna keep shifting as we should.

1990
02:56:45,630 --> 02:56:47,890
So I don't know, I guess in six years,

1991
02:56:48,130 --> 02:56:51,270
I haven't necessarily seen what the benefit,

1992
02:56:51,450 --> 02:56:53,250
although I can look at some of this and say,

1993
02:56:53,270 --> 02:56:56,370
you know what I think objective stuff,

1994
02:56:58,080 --> 02:57:00,020
like we get things done.

1995
02:57:00,020 --> 02:57:09,140
I just don't know if all of the time and effort into this document that we hardly ever pull out and don't even know it to find it is like,

1996
02:57:09,340 --> 02:57:12,260
yes, yes, necessary or useful.

1997
02:57:14,220 --> 02:57:15,520
I think that's great.

1998
02:57:15,980 --> 02:57:17,200
I think that's great feedback.

1999
02:57:17,720 --> 02:57:19,720
So we can take that back.

2000
02:57:19,860 --> 02:57:20,760
This is very fascinating.

2001
02:57:21,820 --> 02:57:26,140
We will sort of noodle on if there is a draft that we could circulate.

2002
02:57:26,140 --> 02:57:31,080
And, or potentially, we could solicit from you just from a very quick survey,

2003
02:57:31,840 --> 02:57:39,140
potential goals and or objectives that would support that goal and then we could look at compiling that so that everybody has an opportunity to

2004
02:57:40,380 --> 02:57:43,620
have some input in that and we can bring it back.

2005
02:57:43,900 --> 02:57:45,180
It's not like it has to be done tomorrow.

2006
02:57:45,360 --> 02:57:51,640
We just know that next week was going to be a very full workshop and we wanted to make sure we had plenty of time for that.

2007
02:57:51,640 --> 02:57:57,760
Yeah, I mean, I personally would love to put together some goals and send them in, and then

2008
02:57:57,760 --> 02:57:58,300
for customer.

2009
02:57:59,680 --> 02:58:00,020
Whatever.

2010
02:58:00,340 --> 02:58:00,660
Whatever.

2011
02:58:00,900 --> 02:58:05,660
But I'm saying, I would guess that some of us are going to have overlap.

2012
02:58:06,600 --> 02:58:10,600
And so that way, you can sort of see where there's shared interests.

2013
02:58:10,720 --> 02:58:13,580
I mean, objective three Explore Creative Arts District.

2014
02:58:13,680 --> 02:58:19,740
I know Britsman interested in another designation for the downtown that's kind of a complimentary.

2015
02:58:21,020 --> 02:58:28,600
And so, yeah, it seems like we could find those little nuggets of intersection and that would kind of create a list.

2016
02:58:31,560 --> 02:58:36,700
I want to thank Rianna for this, but I'm going to think about it.

2017
02:58:37,360 --> 02:58:37,920
Sounds a cool.

2018
02:58:39,080 --> 02:58:39,980
Thank you, Debbie.

2019
02:58:40,220 --> 02:58:40,800
Thank you, Rianna.

2020
02:58:40,980 --> 02:58:41,780
Thank you, Rob.

2021
02:58:41,960 --> 02:58:44,760
We are moving toward the end of the workshop agenda.

2022
02:58:45,300 --> 02:58:50,940
We are at that portion, which is questions and concerns of the council and our future agenda items.

2023
02:58:52,440 --> 02:58:57,980
Let's start with Brett and then Layton will just work our way around the table if there's anything.

2024
02:58:59,540 --> 02:59:07,560
So this is pertaining to the conversation that I had with you, and, oh, Rob, where are you going?

2025
02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:08,940
Oh, no, no, no.

2026
02:59:11,160 --> 02:59:12,540
You better not leave.

2027
02:59:14,120 --> 02:59:24,400
I think there was some misunderstanding in the last budget cycle regarding HDPA and watering.

2028
02:59:24,920 --> 02:59:33,280
So I had a productive conversation with the mayor and Rob, because the HDPA is entrenched

2029
02:59:33,280 --> 02:59:42,520
in trying to figure out its budget and how we can afford we, okay, HDPA hat goes on.

2030
02:59:42,520 --> 02:59:49,640
how the HGPA can afford, you know, Christmas and all these things that people have come to expect

2031
02:59:49,640 --> 02:59:56,100
and I think are really important. And getting diving deep into the budget, it became clear that

2032
02:59:56,100 --> 02:59:59,980
is it's real tight, tight isn't it?

2033
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:00,640
Understatement.

2034
03:00:02,840 --> 03:00:12,140
And so I looked over it and I said, oh, there's this line item for watering, $14,000 for watering, does that include the

2035
03:00:12,140 --> 03:00:14,660
6,000 that the city typically contributes.

2036
03:00:16,960 --> 03:00:21,040
And the newer folks on the HEPA board weren't certain of what

2037
03:00:21,040 --> 03:00:28,120
I was referring. And I said, well, just historically, we've always counsel has always approved

2038
03:00:28,760 --> 03:00:34,360
contribution from the city towards watering. So, long in the short of it is, it seems like

2039
03:00:34,360 --> 03:00:39,340
when we've had these outlier years like we did last year, where the watering was handled

2040
03:00:39,340 --> 03:00:49,140
by the city and it was, there was a cost overrun being done on overtime, in that translation

2041
03:00:49,140 --> 03:00:56,000
into the budget, it seems that we dropped the city contribution. Now, the city did contribute last

2042
03:00:56,000 --> 03:01:01,900
or substantially it, the city paid for half and the HDP paid for the other half, which happened

2043
03:01:01,900 --> 03:01:10,380
to be that 14,000. So I had some big concerns because I think it's still valuable.

2044
03:01:11,400 --> 03:01:14,500
So all of that is to say, when is it coming back, Rob?

2045
03:01:15,220 --> 03:01:22,380
So I actually filled out a budget request that will be before Council is part of the budget process

2046
03:01:22,380 --> 03:01:29,680
to identify or just appropriate a certain amount of funding to do the planters in the watering period.

2047
03:01:31,760 --> 03:01:38,320
And I think it boils down to the conversation in many ways that we started last year.

2048
03:01:38,840 --> 03:01:44,960
What is that level of service that Council wants to have for the community?

2049
03:01:44,960 --> 03:01:53,180
What's that first impression that front door that we want to our visitors and our residents to experience downtown?

2050
03:01:55,020 --> 03:02:00,900
And if that is an appropriate investment on an ongoing basis by the city.

2051
03:02:01,520 --> 03:02:02,280
Okay, thank you.

2052
03:02:02,280 --> 03:02:09,180
I just kind of wanted to prep you guys, though, because we've had these conversations, you know, on this kind of cyclical basis.

2053
03:02:09,180 --> 03:02:14,280
This became a little bit of an emergency because we're trying to plan for and fund Christmas.

2054
03:02:15,240 --> 03:02:21,440
And if we don't have that room in the budget, I mean, I have to cancel it.

2055
03:02:22,520 --> 03:02:27,360
And one thing that we can do when we start the conversation about putting front street back together

2056
03:02:27,360 --> 03:02:33,260
and how is we can start looking at some of these things and figuring out better ways to do them

2057
03:02:33,260 --> 03:02:34,900
where we don't have these kind of costs.

2058
03:02:34,900 --> 03:02:41,620
So, Britt knows, I went and took pictures of another city who has watering systems built

2059
03:02:41,620 --> 03:02:46,960
into their street, fixtures that water the plants at the push of a button.

2060
03:02:47,600 --> 03:02:53,700
We could look at banner holders that don't require public works to get up on a ladder

2061
03:02:53,700 --> 03:02:58,700
before everybody shows up before the morning and like Jeff has at the edges of the city

2062
03:02:58,700 --> 03:02:59,440
for the big banners.

2063
03:02:59,440 --> 03:03:16,440
So we can, when we have that conversation, I would suggest that we keep in mind the things that we keep bringing up as little things but add up and figure out a more technological way going forward for some manpower way to work these things in.

2064
03:03:17,660 --> 03:03:22,020
I just wanted you to be aware that this was going to be coming back again.

2065
03:03:24,320 --> 03:03:26,940
These are the things that make our city special.

2066
03:03:26,940 --> 03:03:30,800
I said this before, we can't go without flowers downtown.

2067
03:03:31,140 --> 03:03:34,080
I don't care how they occur, but we can't.

2068
03:03:34,240 --> 03:03:36,560
We can't go without having Christmas lights downtown.

2069
03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:39,460
That's not her holiday lights, whatever we want to call.

2070
03:03:39,860 --> 03:03:40,980
That's not going to happen.

2071
03:03:41,200 --> 03:03:44,480
So we just need to sit there and say, this is part of our downtown.

2072
03:03:44,640 --> 03:03:50,160
I still consider that to be part of our park's district if we need to budget for it.

2073
03:03:50,160 --> 03:03:52,300
But that is part of what makes our town unique.

2074
03:03:53,200 --> 03:03:56,100
And we can't let those kind of things drop because we can't figure out

2075
03:03:56,100 --> 03:03:57,380
how to water some flowers.

2076
03:03:59,870 --> 03:03:59,930
Late.

2077
03:04:01,990 --> 03:04:04,290
I guess I just officially want to say at some point

2078
03:04:04,290 --> 03:04:06,010
I'd like us to talk about our trees

2079
03:04:06,010 --> 03:04:09,110
and saving the trees.

2080
03:04:09,410 --> 03:04:10,590
For sure, yeah.

2081
03:04:11,950 --> 03:04:13,250
Michael, anything to share?

2082
03:04:13,390 --> 03:04:15,330
Question, concerns, future agenda?

2083
03:04:16,870 --> 03:04:17,350
Yeah, I do.

2084
03:04:17,790 --> 03:04:19,930
And I suppose I kind of want to ask you guys

2085
03:04:19,930 --> 03:04:21,550
if it's OK to bring this up tonight.

2086
03:04:22,410 --> 03:04:27,110
But I did have a concern

2087
03:04:27,110 --> 03:04:32,830
that is related to paid parking but it's not directly a part of our parking resolution and

2088
03:04:32,830 --> 03:04:39,390
it's concerning the decision to increase our parking violation fines. Is that something

2089
03:04:39,390 --> 03:04:43,270
that I can explain tonight or would you prefer me to wait?

2090
03:04:50,770 --> 03:04:53,990
So I've spent a good part

2091
03:04:53,990 --> 03:04:59,030
of the last two weeks down town hanging out with patrons talking to business owners.

2092
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:07,820
Letting people ask me questions, trying to help them with the app, getting feedback. And sometimes, when I see

2093
03:05:07,820 --> 03:05:13,460
those little scraps of paper on the windshields, I will linger around those cars. And if I see a patron coming

2094
03:05:13,460 --> 03:05:20,180
to that, back to the car, I will identify myself and say, it looks like you have a parking

2095
03:05:20,180 --> 03:05:26,740
citation on your windshield, where you aware that there's paid parking now in this lot. And most

2096
03:05:26,740 --> 03:05:32,500
the time the response that I've been getting is no, we were not aware. We come to polls

2097
03:05:32,500 --> 03:05:38,140
always all the time, it's been free. But if we had been aware, we would be happy to pay.

2098
03:05:38,500 --> 03:05:45,100
I mean, these are people who are not bothered by the fact that there's paid parking. But

2099
03:05:45,100 --> 03:05:50,780
then they grabbed the ticket and they see the dollar amount. And the responses that I've

2100
03:05:50,780 --> 03:05:56,100
been hearing have been something like the following. I would have been happy to pay. And

2101
03:05:56,100 --> 03:06:01,340
understand that a fine covers what I owed plus a little extra to remind me for next time,

2102
03:06:01,660 --> 03:06:11,240
but $60, $30 tells me, hey, remember this next time, $60 says don't come back, and I've

2103
03:06:11,240 --> 03:06:19,780
heard this from quite a few people now. And I think that this is problematic because we want

2104
03:06:19,780 --> 03:06:24,640
people to buy into this program. And right now we have people who support paid parking and

2105
03:06:24,640 --> 03:06:29,740
are willing to pay for pay parking, joining the course of I'm not coming back to polls vote

2106
03:06:29,740 --> 03:06:36,080
because of the fines, because of the citations, because they owed $6 and are now paying

2107
03:06:36,080 --> 03:06:42,240
$60. And when we change the rates after October 15th, it's going to be somebody who owed

2108
03:06:42,240 --> 03:06:51,040
$50 for a half hour stop that are now going to have to pay $60. Now, some of you know

2109
03:06:51,040 --> 03:06:56,660
So when I was in Spokane recently for the AWC Conference, I got a parking ticket and Spokane

2110
03:06:56,660 --> 03:06:57,620
finally $30.

2111
03:06:59,060 --> 03:07:04,800
So I'm not really clear why if we're a small municipality, we're having double what a big

2112
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:06,800
city like Spokane wants to charge.

2113
03:07:07,600 --> 03:07:14,220
Now, I just want you guys to know I was here in the audience for the 14 May and the 13 August

2114
03:07:14,220 --> 03:07:22,060
25 meetings where you guys discussed the increase, and at that time, I didn't really understand

2115
03:07:22,060 --> 03:07:26,080
the conversation the way I do now, but that time there were some of us who were talking

2116
03:07:26,080 --> 03:07:35,760
about fines as high as $75 or $100. And that compromise was 60. And I want us again to

2117
03:07:35,760 --> 03:07:40,820
think that that's for somebody who owes a dollar, who didn't pay a dollar to park for an hour

2118
03:07:40,820 --> 03:07:42,500
on a slow Monday and February.

2119
03:07:44,280 --> 03:07:47,640
So I think we want fines that educate people on the rules,

2120
03:07:47,820 --> 03:07:50,080
not fines that tell people to get out of town.

2121
03:07:50,920 --> 03:07:54,060
So I would like us to think about a future agenda item

2122
03:07:54,060 --> 03:07:56,840
where we reconsider that fine.

2123
03:07:57,460 --> 03:08:01,060
And look at ordinance 25, 15, and say,

2124
03:08:01,400 --> 03:08:04,800
maybe this should go back to $30 as part of promoting

2125
03:08:04,800 --> 03:08:06,120
our paid parking program.

2126
03:08:06,340 --> 03:08:07,560
Brit, men, no.

2127
03:08:10,220 --> 03:08:16,580
First off, I want to say I'm open and receptive to what you're saying and what you're hearing from others.

2128
03:08:18,800 --> 03:08:25,500
If I stretch my mind back to when we had these conversations, you know, we started with the enforcement piece.

2129
03:08:26,980 --> 03:08:38,500
And I think it was, the first goal was get employees out of the premium customer spots and tell them that we're serious about it.

2130
03:08:38,500 --> 03:08:46,100
And so I think at that time, and I mean, 2020 vision, looking back, you know, from this perspective,

2131
03:08:47,180 --> 03:08:55,040
I absolutely agree with what you're saying, like you owe a dollar or you owe $6 and a $60 fine feels

2132
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:57,360
very, very punitive.

2133
03:08:58,120 --> 03:09:07,420
But I think that context of how we got here was around trying to change behavior and see some progress

2134
03:09:07,420 --> 03:09:27,900
in that realm, and then we've moved forward with these other steps, and so, I mean I'm open to revisiting that question, because I agree it is pretty heavy considering now we are charging generally for the lot.

2135
03:09:28,520 --> 03:09:29,380
Doug Null.

2136
03:09:30,580 --> 03:09:41,000
I think there's a lot of things that could be discussed in this space and my thought as we try to organize them at the time of the future we can do it database instead of one of the time.

2137
03:09:41,700 --> 03:09:48,060
So we can look at it holistically. I think that's part of something that should be considered, you know,

2138
03:09:50,910 --> 03:09:54,050
trying to hesitate and stop myself going down a freaking rabbit hole.

2139
03:09:54,050 --> 03:09:58,830
that dollar if we're paying the flat one for each turns into 25 cents.

2140
03:10:04,590 --> 03:10:09,110
So, that's a 60 cents to us.

2141
03:10:09,110 --> 03:10:09,110
Yes.

2142
03:10:11,370 --> 03:10:18,910
So, then a question becomes a little, do we even bother asking people to do something where we're only collecting 60 cents?

2143
03:10:19,490 --> 03:10:25,730
I think all of that, as soon as we start this, I think there's going to be 20 little pieces.

2144
03:10:25,730 --> 03:10:28,410
Because I think it probably has worked for its own workshop.

2145
03:10:29,070 --> 03:10:32,910
It's sometime at the future where we've got some run time, and we can sit down and look

2146
03:10:32,910 --> 03:10:35,350
at it holistically, would be my suggestion.

2147
03:10:37,770 --> 03:10:37,950
Rick.

2148
03:10:38,750 --> 03:10:44,450
Yeah, and I'd like to proceed with to try to remember back, but I think a lot of it had to do

2149
03:10:44,450 --> 03:10:53,890
two with $30 was low enough that people would say, I'll risk it, and especially when they

2150
03:10:53,890 --> 03:10:59,130
go to the they can challenge the ticket and the judge will cut it in half. And so at that point,

2151
03:10:59,310 --> 03:11:06,630
the city is full of a Jenga 15-hour fine on hundreds of dollars of staff time between the

2152
03:11:06,630 --> 03:11:09,330
officer, the court clerk, the judge,

2153
03:11:11,370 --> 03:11:14,650
and you know we hadn't and we hadn't changed parking fines

2154
03:11:14,650 --> 03:11:23,190
in a decade or two. And so that was a member of the conversation. It's yeah it's 30 and it

2155
03:11:23,190 --> 03:11:35,270
It really ends up being 15, and it's costing us 300, and people will just, or just, or just gambling, I won't get caught, and if I do, it's only going to cost me a small amount of money.

2156
03:11:36,130 --> 03:11:52,370
Doubling it to 60 was high enough to make people pay attention and go, yeah, if I don't do this right, it is going to cost me a little bit of money, which still, the judge can knock the 30, and still achieve some of the same.

2157
03:11:52,370 --> 03:11:54,470
I'm not, it's worth the risk to me.

2158
03:11:56,510 --> 03:11:57,850
So, and that is the time point

2159
03:11:57,850 --> 03:12:00,410
where we were going to charge $2, not three.

2160
03:12:01,510 --> 03:12:06,510
So, this has been a lot of moving flexing.

2161
03:12:07,030 --> 03:12:08,090
So, he arrived.

2162
03:12:08,110 --> 03:12:11,650
It was a higher fine, and it went down the 60.

2163
03:12:12,290 --> 03:12:15,230
But part of it was, we were, we had not kept pace

2164
03:12:15,230 --> 03:12:18,110
with the inflation of the cost of even processing

2165
03:12:18,110 --> 03:12:21,510
that ticket for a very long time.

2166
03:12:21,510 --> 03:12:34,330
So, all of this is, we can look at all of it, but like Ed did ask, we give the staff space to figure this out before we keep, we keep poking at it.

2167
03:12:34,990 --> 03:12:36,330
Michael anything else?

2168
03:12:37,490 --> 03:12:42,270
I just want to emphasize that my posture right now is not questioning what we've done.

2169
03:12:42,610 --> 03:12:49,710
It's trying to sell what we've done and that's what I've been trying to do the last two weeks as being ambassador for the city

2170
03:12:49,710 --> 03:12:57,190
And say, how can I make this the most attractive that it can be, because if we're going to do it, I would like it to succeed.

2171
03:12:57,890 --> 03:13:03,690
And I just want us to be aware that at the moment, our fines are a hindrance to that work.

2172
03:13:06,640 --> 03:13:07,200
Layton.

2173
03:13:08,720 --> 03:13:17,220
I appreciate the sentiment behind waiting and giving us a full time for fidelity.

2174
03:13:17,220 --> 03:13:20,900
I also know that human behavior changes very quickly.

2175
03:13:22,060 --> 03:13:24,620
And if we let too much time go,

2176
03:13:27,640 --> 03:13:30,100
the sentiments of these people who are like,

2177
03:13:30,100 --> 03:13:33,220
you're not telling me not to come, we lose them.

2178
03:13:33,400 --> 03:13:36,300
And they don't come back because they find a new coffee shop,

2179
03:13:36,340 --> 03:13:38,200
they find a new place to go.

2180
03:13:38,320 --> 03:13:44,520
So I just would ask that we be thoughtful about not waiting until March

2181
03:13:44,520 --> 03:13:48,180
to start looking at it, which means we're not even talking about it

2182
03:13:48,180 --> 03:13:50,860
until June, we're not making changes until August,

2183
03:13:51,060 --> 03:13:58,340
and we've had an entire summer of angst and lack of response,

2184
03:13:58,520 --> 03:14:01,320
for some things that we know are problematic.

2185
03:14:06,850 --> 03:14:10,110
Let's swing the table around to wreck, wreck any questions,

2186
03:14:10,830 --> 03:14:13,310
concerns, food care, gender items, nothing, Pam,

2187
03:14:13,710 --> 03:14:14,470
questions, concerns.

2188
03:14:15,290 --> 03:14:18,230
Yes, and reference to the community read that's coming up.

2189
03:14:18,230 --> 03:14:27,130
I was just wanting to get a concurrence to be able to not spend $1,800, but have that as something

2190
03:14:27,130 --> 03:14:29,930
set aside to support the community read.

2191
03:14:30,770 --> 03:14:31,510
So thumbs up.

2192
03:14:32,010 --> 03:14:32,030
Okay.

2193
03:14:32,110 --> 03:14:32,930
Thank you.

2194
03:14:35,540 --> 03:14:36,140
Doug Null.

2195
03:14:36,600 --> 03:14:37,880
Future agenda items.

2196
03:14:38,180 --> 03:14:38,520
Doug Tabor.

2197
03:14:40,860 --> 03:14:42,760
Related to the parking.

2198
03:14:43,000 --> 03:14:45,300
I would probably vote yes on it.

2199
03:14:45,460 --> 03:14:47,900
If someone were to put a motion up for $40.

2200
03:14:48,860 --> 03:14:53,980
Otherwise, I'd be on the table of waiting to examine everything going lower, but I

2201
03:14:53,980 --> 03:14:54,640
don't.

2202
03:14:54,640 --> 03:14:55,820
I could be convinced, I don't know.

2203
03:14:56,260 --> 03:14:59,960
And then on another note, related to B&O, that has been brought up, sir.

2204
03:15:01,200 --> 03:15:25,120
I think I would like to see that as a part of a, you know, as the series of conversations about affordability, kind of what you've alluded to, parking could be one, the B&O, raising the exemption there, it could be one, and other aspects, and I think a good time would be after this year's budget cycle, and after the new financial software is successfully.

2205
03:15:25,120 --> 03:15:33,940
and perfectly put in place, so probably I asked Deb just now, so that's probably sometimes

2206
03:15:33,940 --> 03:15:38,580
spring, which aligns with a lot of other things, I think, having more data and being able

2207
03:15:38,580 --> 03:15:40,420
to look or close to that different items.

2208
03:15:41,740 --> 03:15:45,980
So I really look forward to looking at the, you know, raising the exemption there and looking

2209
03:15:45,980 --> 03:15:49,500
at how, what that would, you know, the numbers around that, so that would give plenty of

2210
03:15:49,500 --> 03:15:52,880
time to look those numbers, come to full fruition.

2211
03:15:54,460 --> 03:16:00,180
And in front of Debbie's remark, if the Council were to undertake that, that could be post-dated

2212
03:16:00,180 --> 03:16:03,460
for a point in time in the biennial budget.

2213
03:16:03,620 --> 03:16:08,400
That's identified as the best way to implement both software and strategically.

2214
03:16:09,640 --> 03:16:11,860
I just want to put the expectations out.

2215
03:16:12,200 --> 03:16:15,980
We're looking at software and it's a separate B&O program which will be able to implement

2216
03:16:15,980 --> 03:16:17,360
sooner than the full ERP.

2217
03:16:17,660 --> 03:16:21,400
I don't want everybody to think the full ERP will be done by the spring because that's

2218
03:16:24,000 --> 03:16:41,080
And also just a piggyback on that we do have programs on the 16th in the workshop as a conversation amongst council to help us define some of the things that got on to future agendas so that we can better support that when it comes forward.

2219
03:16:41,080 --> 03:16:42,780
So, excellent, Rob.

2220
03:16:43,660 --> 03:16:48,380
Okay, we are going to call for continued public comment if there is any public.

2221
03:16:49,720 --> 03:16:53,080
And we'll call one more time for continued public comment.

2222
03:16:54,240 --> 03:16:58,380
Not seeing any last closing mayor or council comments.

2223
03:16:58,500 --> 03:17:00,380
I just want to thank Rob for staying.

2224
03:17:03,520 --> 03:17:06,820
I would entertain a motion to adjourn.

2225
03:17:07,400 --> 03:17:10,580
I have a motion in second all in favor, please say aye.

2226
03:17:10,980 --> 03:17:11,280
Aye.

2227
03:17:11,280 --> 03:17:12,880
The Council stands adjourned.