[0:03] I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY IN SESSION. WE HAVE NO REASON FOR ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION TONIGHT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. COX. HERE. MR. PHILIP PUGH. HERE. MR. HAMMEL. HERE. MR. FORD PUGH. HERE. MR. WEBB. HERE. OKAY WITH THAT. IF YOU ALL WILL JOIN ME IN THE INVOCATION LED BY MISS PUDLOW AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. HEAVENLY FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING. THANK YOU FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY AND BEING PART OF SUCH A GREAT COMMUNITY. WE THANK YOU FOR SAFETY AND WE ASK THAT YOUR WILL WOULD BE DONE HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY AS WELL AS IN THIS MEETING. WE ASK THIS IN YOUR HOLY NAME. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA. DO I HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE. I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT WE COULD MOVE THE CLOSED SESSION ITEM B1 TO OCCUR BETWEEN ITEMS G4 AND G5. OKAY YOU'VE HEARD A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL, MR. PHILIP PUGH. YES. MR. HAMMEL. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. COX. YES. AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE TRYING TO. WHAT WE'VE GOT AFTER THAT IS COMING FROM THE CLOSED SESSION. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU ALL HERE ALL NIGHT WHILE WE'RE IN CLOSED SESSION BEFORE WE START. SO JUST TO SPEED IT ALONG FOR Y'ALL A LITTLE BIT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE SKIPPED THAT. WE'LL GO TO THE BUSINESS MEETING. PUBLIC COMMENTS MS. KNOTT ANYBODY SIGNED UP. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN JILL HIBNER. HI. MY NAME IS JILL HIBNER. I LIVE AT 2595 RIVER RUN ROAD, PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA. GOOD EVENING. BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO HAVE TO HEAR MY CONCERNS TONIGHT. I'M HERE TO VOICE MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED OPEN TRAIL MASTER PLAN, SECTION J, DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR HOMES NEAR IRWIN ROAD. WHILE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY'S DESIRE FOR MORE OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL SPACES, PUTTING A PUBLIC PATH RIGHT AGAINST OUR BACKYARDS CREATES SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED. OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS SAFETY AND SECURITY. RIGHT NOW, OUR BACKYARDS ARE PRIVATE, SECURE PLACES WHERE OUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN AND PETS CAN PLAY SAFELY. INTRODUCING A PUBLIC TRAIL MEANS HUNDREDS OF STRANGERS WILL HAVE DIRECT, UNIMPEDED ACCESS TO THE REAR OF OUR PROPERTIES EVERY SINGLE DAY. THIS OPEN ACCESS DRAMATICALLY INCREASES THE RISK OF TRESPASSING, VANDALISM, AND PROPERTY CRIME. TURNING OUR SAFE HAVENS INTO VULNERABLE CRIME ZONES. SECOND, THIS PROPOSAL COMPLETELY ELIMINATES OUR PRIVACY. A HOME SHOULD BE A SANCTUARY. IF THIS TRAIL IS BUILT BEHIND OUR HOUSES, THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF OUR PROPERTIES WILL DISAPPEAR. WE WILL FACE CONSTANT FOOT TRAFFIC, BARKING DOGS, AND PASSING CONVERSATIONS JUST FEET FROM OUR WINDOWS AND DECKS. THERE WILL BE TRASH AND DOG WASTE. PEOPLE WILL USE OUR TREES AND YARDS AS BATHROOMS. CARS WILL BE PARKED ALONG OUR PROPERTIES TO SHORTCUT THE WAY TO THE WATER VIEWS AND ADDITIONAL EROSION WILL HAPPEN TO OUR ALREADY CRUMBLING ROADS. NO AMOUNT OF FENCING OR LANDSCAPING CAN RESTORE THE PRIVACY THAT AN OPEN TRAIL TAKES AWAY. FINALLY, WE MUST CONSIDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT AND THE NEGATIVE IMPACT TO OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND LOCAL WILDLIFE. MANY HOMEOWNERS ACTIVELY AVOID PROPERTIES THAT SHARE BOUNDARIES WITH PUBLIC EASEMENTS DUE TO THESE EXACT SAFETY AND PRIVACY CONCERNS. FURTHERMORE, CLEARING THIS LAND DISRUPTS THE LOCAL WILDLIFE THAT CURRENTLY USES THE NATURAL HABITAT AND BUFFER ZONE. WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY, OUR PEACE, AND OUR SECURITY, AND I URGE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO OPPOSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ROUTE THROUGH IRWIN ROAD, SECTION J TO PROTECT OUR FAMILIES AND HOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. I HAVE OTHERS, MR. CHAIRMAN. THEO [INAUDIBLE].
[5:09] WE TAKE THE ONE SIGNED UP FIRST, MA'AM. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. NAME IS THEO [INAUDIBLE] 2408 RIVER ROAD. AND I COME HERE TONIGHT JUST TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE APPOMATTOX RIVER TRAIL, WHICH WAS BROUGHT UP TO OUR ATTENTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I REALLY DON'T, AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING BEHIND PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES NOT ONLY FOR THE RIVER ROAD OR THE RIVER RUN ROAD AREA, BUT ALSO ALL BEHIND THE PRISON AS WELL AS BEHIND ALL OF THE CONNECTING PROPERTIES AND BEHIND THAT LANDFILL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A MILITARY TRAINING ZONE BACK THERE. YOU KNOW, BUT CONNECTING BEHIND PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES IS NOT A GOOD IDEA WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING IT TOWARDS ROADS ON BOTH SIDES, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THINGS STOLEN OUT OF THEIR YARDS BEFORE. I'VE PERSONALLY HAD AN ATV STOLEN OUT OF MY YARD BACK BEFORE THERE WAS ANY SORT OF CONNECTION. YOU'VE BUILT A PUMP STATION NEXT TO MY HOUSE NOW, AND YOU KNOW THE AREA IN THE BACK OF MY YARD. THERE USED TO BE WOODS BACK THERE, AND NOW THERE IS NOT. SOMEONE COULD WALK FROM JUNIPER ROAD RIGHT DOWN THAT PATH AND RIGHT INTO MY BACKYARD AND TAKE WHATEVER THEY WOULD. SO PLEASE, I HAVE TO KEEP MY GARAGE LOCKED VERY TIGHTLY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYTHING ELSE STOLEN. YOU KNOW, HAVING AN ATV STOLEN, THEY'RE NOT CHEAP, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 10, $15,000 DEPENDING ON WHICH ROUTE YOU GO. I HAVE A JET SKI THAT COULD VERY EASILY BE STOLEN. THERE ARE 20, $25,000, DEPENDING ON WHICH ROUTE YOU GO. I DON'T WANT THINGS STOLEN OUT OF MY YARD. THAT'S PROBLEM NUMBER ONE. WITH THAT PROBLEM NUMBER TWO, YOU WANT TO PUT ANOTHER TRAIL ACROSS MY FRONT YARD? I ASSUME THE BLUE DOTTED LINES ON RIVER ROAD IS NOT A VERY GOOD INDICATION OF WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE. IF YOU WANT TO PUT THIS TRAIL DOWN, WE NEED MORE DETAILED MAPS TO SHOW US. IS IT GOING TO BE ON MY SIDE OF THE ROAD? IS IT GOING TO BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD? WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE? THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM. ANOTHER PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A TRAIL JUST ALONG RIVER ROAD. I'M ONLY OKAY WITH THAT TRAIL BECAUSE OF THE PRISON. PEOPLE THEY GET OUT OF PRISON THEY DON'T ALWAYS HAVE A RIDE. THEY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WALK HOME. THEY WANT TO WALK HOME SAFELY. PEOPLE ON RIVER ROAD, THEY'RE DRIVING TOO FAST. THEY DRIVE RECKLESSLY. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE GETTING HIT ON MY ROAD. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. NOT THAT I KNOW OF. AND SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN, YOU KNOW? SO FOR THAT REASON, A TRAIL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE FORT LEE SIDE, THAT WOULD BE OKAY. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT JUST ON ALONG RIVER ROAD ON THE FORT LEE SIDE TO PROTECT PEOPLE WALKING HOME. THAT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW, THE RAILROADS, OUR RAILROADS ON RIVER ROAD AND ON TEMPLE AVENUE NEARBY, BOTH STILL IN VERY BAD CONDITION. BIG HOLES. YOU GO OVER THEM [INAUDIBLE] THE WHOLE TIME. NOBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH THAT. IRWIN ROAD YOU KNOW, WHEN VDOT PLOWED SNOW ALONG IRWIN ROAD AND THEN THEY WENT BACK AND KIND OF MADE SOME CORRECTIONS THERE, CORRECTIONS WERE VERY BAD. THE ROAD IS HORRIBLE GOING DOWN IT [INAUDIBLE] THE WHOLE WAY DOWN THAT ROAD. I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE ELSE LIKES IT. WE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT. PUDDLEDOCK APARTMENTS YOU HAVE PUDDLEDOCK APARTMENTS. THIS TRAIL WOULD DIRECTLY CONNECT OUR AREA TO PUDDLEDOCK APARTMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT FINE STREET. IN THAT RELATED AREA. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN BROKEN INTO. CARS HAVE BEEN SMASHED INTO HOUSES. WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER. WE DON'T WANT CONNECTED TO THAT. WE DON'T WANT THIS TRAIL. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? JOHN HARRIS. OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS GOOD EVENING AGAIN. JOHN HARRIS 2595 RIVERRUN ROAD, PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA. YES. JUST LIKE THE OTHERS. I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE APPOMATTOX RIVER TRAIL MASTER PLAN, WHICH YOU HAVE. SPECIFICALLY SECTION AND J OF IT ON PAGE 49 OF IT. ANYWAYS. YEAH. LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHIC MAP, YOU COULD SEE THAT IT, THAT THAT TRAIL POSSIBLY CUTS. THAT THE TRAIL CUTS FROM MY OWNER'S MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY HIS BACKYARD AND MY PROPERTY AND MY BACKYARD. SO THAT TRAIL IS CUTTING IN BETWEEN OUR BACKYARDS. YOU KNOW, I COULD LOOK UP TO THE TOP OF THE RIDGE CLEARLY. AND WHEN I WALK UP TO THE TOP OF THE RIDGE, I COULD CLEARLY SEE DOWN INTO MY LIVING ROOM AND INTO MY DINING ROOM, YOU KNOW, SO I GOT THAT. SO I'VE LOST PRIVACY THERE. MY NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES WHO I SHARE THAT AREA WITH HE'S PRETTY MUCH HE'S PRETTY MUCH YOU KNOW, ADAMANT ABOUT WANTING HIS PRIVACY TOO, YOU KNOW SO ALSO, I'M AN AVID HIKER. MY, FAMILY, WE HIKE A LOT EVERY TRIP THAT WE GO ON. YOU KNOW, WE BRING OUR TREKKING POLES, OUR HIKING BOOTS, OUR WOOL SOCKS, AND WE ENJOY, YOU KNOW,
[10:03] HIKING ALSO. BUT THIS IS AN AWFUL IDEA. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THIS IS PLANNED OUT, HIKERS ARE GOING TO BE GOING FROM WOODS THEN TO BACKYARDS, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS TRAIL. AND THEN WHEN THEY GET TO MY PROPERTY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK DOWN AND SEE ME SUNBATHING OUT THERE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IN COWBOY BOOTS AND A SPEEDO. SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A PRETTY SIGHT. SO AS WE GO DOWN ON AS YOU GO DOWN, BECAUSE THIS IS AN ELEVATED POSITION THAT THIS TRAIL IS ON. SO YOU GO DOWN AND THAT THAT BASICALLY BREAKS UP THE FEELING YOU GET WHEN YOU'RE HIKING BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE. YOU REALIZE THAT YOU'RE DEEP INSIDE SOMEONE'S NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU CROSS THE STREET. AND THEN YOU GO INTO THE CUL DE SAC AREA AND THEN CONTINUE ONTO THE PROPOSED TRAIL THERE. SO YEAH, THAT'S IT REALLY GOES AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF HIKING, YOU KNOW, AND GETTING BACK TO NATURE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S DISTURBED. IT'S DISRUPTED ON, ON HOW YOU WOULD PERCEIVE, YOUR PEACEFUL HIKE. OKAY. SO YEAH, WE LIKE HIKING, BUT THIS, THIS IS A BAD IDEA. YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, THEO THERE, HE, HE'S NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING THE TRAIL ON THE ON THE FORT LEE SIDE OF, OF RIVER ROAD ON THAT MAIN ROAD OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT ALTOGETHER THIS JUST DOESN'T HAVE GOOD VIBES, YOU KNOW, WITH IT CUTTING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, OVER THERE ON THE RIVER ON THE RIVER RUN EXCUSE ME. ON THE RIVER ROAD SIDE IT'S BAD. SO. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT, MISS KNOTT. ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP? NO, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN. MA'AM. MY NAME IS TERRY PEZZOLI. I LIVE AT 3306 RIVER ROAD. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA I WAS GOING TO BE GETTING UP HERE THIS AFTERNOON, BUT I DID NOTICE THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE GIVING A REPORT ABOUT VDOT IN THE COUNTY. WE HAVE BEEN CALLING VDO SEVERAL TIMES TO HAVE THE HIGH GRASS AND WEEDS CUT AROUND OUR DRIVEWAY, AND ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN RIVER ROAD. I NOW THEY CAME AND CUT ONE SECTION SO I CAN SEE OUT THIS SIDE. BUT IF I NEED TO TO TURN ONTO RIVER ROAD, I HAVE TO PULL INTO RIVER ROAD TO SEE TO THE LEFT SIDE IF ANYTHING'S COMING. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT. AND I REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO TO GET THEM TO COME IN AND CUT THE REST OF THOSE WEEDS DOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO. THANK YOU. AND I THINK HE'S BACK THERE TAKING NOTES RIGHT NOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? JOHN BUKOWSKI, 18890 HALIFAX ROAD, CARSON, VIRGINIA. GOOD EVENING BOARD. MISS PUDLOW. AS I'VE BEEN UP HERE MANY TIMES, IT'S ABOUT THE ELECTION. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE ELECTION FOR THE MIDTERMS, AND I WAS SURPRISED. OVER THE LAST THREE DAYS, I HAD TWO INTERACTIONS WHERE PEOPLE EITHER DIDN'T KNOW AT ALL THAT THERE WAS AN ELECTION GOING ON, OR THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE AMENDMENTS IN THE ELECTION. AND SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS, LET THEM KNOW. I PREFER THAT THEY VOTE THE WAY I VOTE. BUT AT LEAST OUR SYSTEM WORKS BEST WHEN EVERYBODY VOTES, WHEN EVERYBODY PARTICIPATES IN OUR SYSTEM. SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO VOTE. AND TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO, THE MARRIAGE AMENDMENT, THAT GAY MARRIAGE AMENDMENT. THERE'S NO REASON FOR THIS AMENDMENT. OUR COMMONWEALTH LAWS CURRENTLY AND OUR FEDERAL LAWS AND OUR COURTS BOTH HAVE STATED THAT THE THE GAY MARRIAGE AND, AND INTERRACIAL MARRIAGES ARE PROTECTED BY ALL THE LAWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE. AND SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT. THE REASON FOR THIS IS THE TRYING TO GET GENDER IN AS A LEGAL TERM INTO OUR CONSTITUTION. AND WE REALLY DON'T WANT THAT THERE. IF WE LOOK AT WHAT THE GOVERNOR SPANBERGER DID FRIDAY WITH DOING AWAY WITH WHAT GOVERNOR YOUNGKIN PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT YOUNG LADIES IN SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL SPORTS HAVING GENDER AS A LEGAL TERM WILL BE DANGEROUS IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. AND SO WE NEED TO VOTE NO ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT. THERE'S OTHER REASONS TOO, AS FAR AS RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS THAT WILL BE ENDANGERED BY THIS AMENDMENT AS WELL. BUT WE NEED TO VOTE NO. BUT I ALSO WANT TO I'M GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS TRAIL THING. I KNOW I DON'T LIVE IN RIVER ROAD, BUT I'VE LIVED IN MICHIGAN AND OHIO AND VIRGINIA, AND I'VE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITIES IN THOSE STATES WHERE WE HAD TRAILS,
[15:08] I HAD TRAILS ABUTTING UP TO MY PROPERTIES AND, AND WHERE PEOPLE SAY THAT THE TRAIL DEVALUES YOUR PROPERTY. I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT. I'VE ONLY SEEN VALUE PROPERTIES GO UP BECAUSE OF THE TRAILS BEING IN THE COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE THE TRAILS BRING NEIGHBORS OUT TO MEET EACH OTHER AND COMMUNICATE. THEY TIE COMMUNITIES TOGETHER, EXTERNAL COMMUNITIES TOGETHER, AND TO MEET EACH OTHER. AND SO I THINK THAT THE TRAIL SYSTEM THROUGH URBAN AREAS IS A GOOD IDEA, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TO SUPPORT IT AND DEVELOP IT. THERE MAY BE SOME SAFETY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PARTICIPATE IN IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. MR. HEIDORN. HOWDY, EVERYONE. I'M LARRY HEIDORN 1909 CHEMIN RD. COME TO FUSS ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION ON THE BRIARWOOD SUBDIVISION. THERE WAS NONE GIVEN OUT TO ANYONE IN FRANKLIN FARMS OR NONE GIVEN OUT TO ANYONE IN ETHERIDGE ESTATES. THESE ARE TWO SUBDIVISIONS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PROJECT, AND THEY ALL HAVE ABOUT ONE ACRE ON BOTH SIDES. NOW WITH WHAT THE PLAN IS, IS THAT THERE IS THREE HOUSES PER ACRE. SO I DRIVE THROUGH MY SUBDIVISION EVER SINCE SEEING THAT, AND JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT MANY HOUSES BEING CRAMMED TOGETHER ON ONE ACRE OF LAND. WITH NOTIFICATION WE STARTED SEEING STAKES THIS WEEK AND SO WE KNEW SOMETHING WAS GOING ON AND WENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND GOT A PLAT OF THE SUBDIVISION. LITERALLY 168 HOMES ARE GOING TO BE PUT IN THAT ONE LOT ON ONE THIRD OF AN ACRE. SO AND IT COMES OUT TO OUR SUBDIVISION CHEMIN ROAD IS USUALLY A PATCH WORK OF. AND IF VDOT IS NOT NOTIFIED THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO QUADRUPLE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ON THAT ROAD WITH ALL THE THERE'S ALMOST 120 HOUSES IN THE BACK END. WE'LL BE COMING OUT INTO THAT SUBDIVISION. WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE RETIRED, YOU KNOW, IT'S MOST EVERYBODY I TALKED TO, THEIR HOUSES ARE PAID FOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE. SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS DECIDED WE NEED TO SEE OFF OF THE BACK SIDE OF OUR LOTS YOU KNOW, THREE HOUSES PER ACRE. I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT. AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE IN PRINCE GEORGE WE HAVE THAT KIND OF SUBDIVISION. YOU KNOW, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO, BUT THE PEOPLE OFF OF GRIFFIN ROAD JUST FOUND THIS OUT ON LAST THURSDAY, SO I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE LOTS ON THE BACK SIDE OF COME OFF OF GRIFFIN ROAD, BUT I THINK THEY. THERE LOTS ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN IN ETHERIDGE ESTATES AND IN FRANKLIN FARMS, SO I DON'T THINK THEY'VE GOTTEN NOTIFIED EITHER. BUT I'VE TALKED AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYBODY NOTIFIED. YOU KNOW, BEING 75 RETIRED, HOUSE IS PAID FOR. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GO ANYWHERE. BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW THAT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. LOOK FOR THE SIGNS BUT NEVER SAW THEM. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. IF NOT, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION. MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL. MR. HAMMEL. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. COX. YES. MR. PHILIP PUGH. YES. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO SUPERVISOR COMMENTS, MR. HAMMEL. EVENING, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE FOLKS THAT HAVE COME OUT THIS EVENING. I THINK SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN HAS BEEN FROM A COUPLE OF POSTS THAT WE'VE HAD OUT
[20:06] ON FACEBOOK, SOME OF THESE THINGS, I THINK WITH THE WITH THE PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE WHILE, SOME THINGS I GUESS WERE DISCUSSED PROBABLY ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO. AND SO SOME OF THE TOPICS ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY THINGS THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT OR BEEN IN MEETINGS ABOUT. AND SO I JUST TRY TO SHARE THOSE WHEN I SEE THOSE. AND SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT. MAYBE FEELING A LITTLE BIT LAST MINUTE, BUT AS SOON AS I SEE SOME OF THOSE THINGS, I SHARE THOSE AS WELL. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT I SHARED THAT WAS AROUND SOME PUBLIC COMMENT AROUND FAA AND AMAZON DOING SOME DRONE DELIVERIES. LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE CIRCLES FOR THAT AREA OUT OF THE CHESTER PLANT WOULD COME INTO THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE COUNTY, NORTHWEST END OF THE COUNTY. SORRY. AND SO I POSTED THAT AS WELL. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES THROUGH THE BOARD. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMMENTED DIRECTLY TO DEQ, BUT I SHARED THAT AS WELL. SO AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO SHARE THOSE THINGS AS EARLY, EARLIER THAN I'VE BEEN POSTING THEM, BUT I SHARE THEM WHEN I SEE THEM. SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND DEFINITELY READING EVERYTHING ANYBODY'S POSTING. SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU SIR. MR. FORD PUGH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THE BEEFSTEAK RAID DINNER LAST WEEK. THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN. RIGHT BEFORE OUR WORK SESSION CALL SOME ATTENTION TO THE CZECH AND SLOVAK FESTIVAL ON OCTOBER 17TH. ON THE TOPIC OF THE CRATER ROAD HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT I DON'T THINK THERE WERE NOTIFICATIONS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WAS ALREADY ZONED R1. AND SO IT WAS ALREADY ZONED FOR THAT DENSITY OF HOUSING. THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY SIGNS. AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR I THINK WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS A LOT OF HOUSES PER ACRE. AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY IN AN AREA WHERE BOTH SOUTH ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE ROAD ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS WHERE THAT AREA IS ZONED FOR ARE CROWDED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO ADD 100 PLUS HOMES IN THERE THAT'S GOING TO SWAMP THOSE SCHOOLS. AND I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ANYBODY IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT PROJECT'S GREEN. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO STOP THAT. SO BUT I THINK YOU HAVE HEARD MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD BE IN SUPPORT OF INCREASING THE, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET DONE SOON WITH OUR NEW PLANNING DIRECTOR. I'M TAKING A LOOK AT THE MAP ONLINE, JUST SO I CAN LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH AT THE THE APPOMATTOX RIVER TRAIL. AND APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING OUT AND SPEAKING ON, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TOPICS THAT YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP TONIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. WEBB. NOTHING TONIGHT, SIR. THANKS, EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT. MR. PHILIP PUGH. I ENJOYED MY TIME AT THE BEEFSTEAK RAID AS WELL. LAST WEEK IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL PHONE CALLS ON SOME VDOT ISSUES THAT I PLAN ON ADDRESSING TONIGHT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, KEEP COMING OUT GUYS BECAUSE I WORK FOR Y'ALL. YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN YOU COME OUT, YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. IT HELPS ME MAKE MY DECISIONS WHEN SOMETHING COMES BEFORE ME AND I'M YOUR VOICE. SO PLEASE REACH OUT. PLEASE COME OUT. I'M GLAD TO SEE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO SHOW UP THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR FACES. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE ONES THAT ATTENDED THE FIRST RESPONDERS DAY. THAT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED. WE HAD BEAUTIFUL WEATHER. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO RAIN ALL DAY, BUT IT WAS NICE AND SOMEWHAT COOL. I THINK IT WAS A GOOD TIME HAD BY ALL THAT ATTENDED. AND TO ADD ON TO WHAT MR. FORD PUGH SAID, THE HOUSING PROJECT ON CRATER ROAD WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO THIS BOARD. SO IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR QUITE A WHILE. SO THAT'S ONE THING YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF TIMES STUFF'S ON THE BOOKS HAS BEEN APPROVED. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY MORE NEW NOTICES ON IT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY WENT THROUGH ITS PROCESS. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT TOOK PLACE WITH THIS ONE. SO WITH THAT AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT. PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU GO HOME. WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING OUTSIDE WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN A WHILE, RAIN, WHICH IS GOOD. SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MISS PUDLOW FOR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR COMMENTS. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN COX. I DO WANT TO JUST HIGHLIGHT SURVIVORS DAY AND EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATED IN THAT AND ALL OF OUR STAFF WHO WORK TO ORGANIZE, HONORING ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND 911. SO I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT TRADITION HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE. I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS BEING MOVED TO OCTOBER 6TH. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTY. BUT THAT'S THE NEW DATE THAT THAT'S BEEN MOVED TO. AND WE HAVE A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING ON OCTOBER 13TH HERE IN THE BOARDROOM AT 6 P.M.. AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO JUST NOTE THE CITIZENS ACADEMY IS SIGN UP FOR THE FY OR EXCUSE ME, THE 2027 CLASS IS AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE. BUT WE'VE GOT THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP SO FAR. WE HAVE 25 SEATS TOTAL. THAT'S DUE TO CLASS CAPACITY, BUT WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT
[25:08] THEY DO. WE HAVE DIRECTORS COME OUT AND TEACH THOSE CLASSES, SO YOU GET TO HEAR FROM OUR HIGHEST LEVEL EXPERTS ACROSS THE COUNTY FOR EACH DEPARTMENT AND SOME GUEST JURISDICTIONS AS WELL, SUCH AS VDOT. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT COUNTY GOVERNMENT, WE'VE GOT SOME SEATS AVAILABLE AND YOU CAN SIGN UP ONLINE OR GIVE OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION OFFICE A PHONE CALL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MS. PUDLOW. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE INTO REPORTS. FIRST UP IS VDOT, MR. SCOTT THORNTON. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. BOARD MEMBERS. MS. PUDLOW, HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING TODAY? GOOD EVENING SIR. GOOD. SO PRETTY QUICK REPORT. SO OUR CREWS ARE CONTINUING MOWING OPERATIONS. THEY'VE BEEN ON IT NOW FOR ABOUT A BETTER PART OF A MONTH. WE LOOK TO FINISH UP PRIMARIES PROBABLY THIS WEEK AND MOVE INTO SECONDARIES. CERTAIN CREWS HAVE ALREADY MOVED INTO SECONDARY DEPENDING ON THE AREA OF THE COUNTY. BUT I'M HOPEFUL BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK WE ARE FULLY INTO SECONDARY MODE. THE CHESTER DRIVE PROJECT. WE ARE STILL WAITING ON UTILITY RELOCATIONS TO BE COMPLETE, BUT AS OF OUR LAST MEETING LAST WEEK, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE PIPE REPLACEMENTS BY THE END OF OCTOBER, WITH PATCHING ON THAT TO HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER. ASSUMING THAT THE WEATHER COOPERATES. JEFFERSON MIDDLE ROUNDABOUT, THE CONTRACTOR WAS ISSUED NOTICE TO PROCEED AND IS GETTING READY TO KICK OFF STARTING WORK. SO YOU SHOULD BE SEEING ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA SOON. LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE THEY HAVE PROVIDED THE DETOUR WILL BE IN PLACE IN EARLY NOVEMBER. AND THAT WILL REMAIN THROUGH THE PROJECT IN AUGUST INTO AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR. SO OUR CONSTRUCTION TEAM AND THE CONTRACTOR ARE PREPARING MAPS AND PRESS RELEASES TO GO OUT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. SO THAT'S GOING TO ADVISE THE PUBLIC OF WHAT THAT DETOUR LOOKS LIKE. AND I WOULD LOOK FOR SOCIAL MEDIA AND I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO STAFF SO THAT CAN BE PUT OUT IN SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL. TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, GOING IN TRAFFIC STUDIES. THEY ARE LOOKING AT ARLEN ROAD JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE, SPEED OR ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT CAN BE PUT OUT THERE. THE SIGNAGE AND RUMBLE STRIPS WORK HAS BEEN SCHEDULED ON ROUGHEN ROAD. AND THAT'S JUST TO ALERT FOLKS OF THE INCREASED AWARENESS OF THAT SKEWED INTERSECTION. SO WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. AND THAT CONCLUDES WHAT I'VE GOT PREPARED FOR YOU. ALL. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. ON PRINCE GEORGE'S DRIVE AT ANGUILLA DRIVE. THE ENTRANCEWAY COMING OUT INTO 156 IS KIND OF BROKEN WHEN YOU DRIVE ON PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE. IT'S GOT POTHOLES COMING OUT. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT? AND THEN I'M SURE YOU TOOK NOTES ON THE IRWIN ROAD. I THINK WE ASKED ABOUT THAT LAST MEETING AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GET CHECKED INTO AND THEN ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE Y'ALL OR US. I GOT A PHONE CALL TODAY ABOUT A STREET SIGN IN THE GOLF COURSE ROAD AREA THAT WAS DOWN I THINK IT GOT STOLEN OR SOMETHING. SO. IS IT A ROUTE NUMBER OR STREET NAME? STREET NAME IS WHAT IT WAS. SO STREET NAMES, US. STREET NAMES ARE YOU ALL. OKAY? YEAH, I THINK THE ROUTE NUMBER IS STILL UP, SO. BUT I WILL CONFIRM. AND IF IT IS NOT, I WILL SEND YOU AN EMAIL. AND THAT'S ALL I GOT, MR. CHAIR. ANYONE ELSE? MR. THORNTON, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DEFINITION OF WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, EXACT PRIMARIES AND SECONDARIES WILL BE MOWED, OR IS IT JUST AS YOU GET TO THEM? SO THEY GENERALLY START ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE COUNTY AND TRY TO WORK BACK IN TOWARDS THE AREA HEADQUARTERS. OKAY. WE DO PRIMARIES FIRST AND THEN WE SWITCH OUT TO SECONDARIES AFTER THAT. OKAY. SO I CAN TALK TO THE AREA HEADQUARTERS AND JUST SEE WHERE THEY'RE WORKING, BUT WE'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT TRACTORS WORKING RIGHT NOW. IT JUST, IT TAKES TIME. THAT GRASS IS TALL. NO, IT'S REALLY WEIRD. I GO SOMEWHERE IN THE MORNING AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET TALL, AND I GET THERE AT AFTERNOON AND IT'S CUT. SO MAYBE I SHOULD NEED TO DRIVE AROUND MORE SPEED IT UP. THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE AFTER IT. SO. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. TWO SPEED STUDIES. GOLF COURSE DRIVE, ARWOOD ROAD. WHERE ARE WE AT ON THOSE? SO TRAFFIC ENGINEERING IS LOOKING AT AT ARWOOD. AND I JUST DIDN'T SAY GOLF COURSE, BUT THEY'RE IN THE MIX OF WORKING ON THOSE. RIGHT. NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING. THANK YOU SIR.
[30:01] THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM WILL BE DISCUSSION OF THE APPOMATTOX RIVER TRAIL STUDY. MRS. PUDLOW. GOOD EVENING, MR. KINGSBURY. THIS EVENING THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS FOR FRIENDS OF THE LOWER APPOMATTOX RIVER, OR FULLER APPLIED FOR A VDOT GRANT FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY. THAT'S PHASE ONE PLANNING FOR THE 6.5 MILES OF THE APPOMATTOX RIVER TRAIL PLANNED THROUGH PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY OFF OF RIVER ROAD. VDOT HAS REQUESTED A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT FROM PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY OR IF THE BOARD DOES WANT TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT FOR THE PLANNING PHASE EFFORTS AN INDICATION OF INTENT TO SUPPORT FUTURE WORK TOWARDS FOLLOWING THIS PROJECT. THE PROPOSED TRAIL CAN BE SEEN IN THE BOTTOM IMAGE SECTIONS I AND J THERE, IT'S NEAR FORT LEE PETERSBURG AND HOPEWELL SECTIONS OF THE TRAIL HAVE BEEN COMPLETED LEAVING PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY SECTION INCOMPLETE. SO IF IT WAS COMPLETED, IT WOULD CONNECT FULLER'S FEASIBILITY STUDY PROJECT WILL REFINE EXISTING FIELD WORK AND RESEARCH TO DETERMINE THE EXACT TRAIL ALIGNMENT THAT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY FEASIBLE AND AGREEABLE TO ALL IMPACTED PARTIES. FULLER'S FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING TASKS STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND FEASIBILITY STUDY, IS REQUESTED THROUGH VDOT FOR A GRANT IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE GRANT, AGAIN, THIS STATEMENT OF SUPPORT WOULD BE REQUIRED FROM THE BOARD IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES TO PROVIDE SUCH A CONSENSUS THIS EVENING. JUST FOR A FUTURE REFERENCE, I DO HAVE FULLER. THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE. DOCTOR BARTLETT JACKSON IS HERE. JACKSON BARTLETT, I THINK I SAID THAT BACKWARDS. IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR FULLER. FUTURE PLANNING PHASES. SO THIS STATEMENT OF SUPPORT WOULDN'T COST THE COUNTY ANY MONEY. IT WOULD BE FULLER AND VDOT FUNDING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO SEE IS THIS PROJECT FEASIBLE. AND THEN AGAIN I'LL LET FULLER ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY SINCE THEY'RE IN THE KNOW ON EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE INCLUDING IN THEIR, BUT FUTURE PHASES THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY BEING DISCUSSED WOULD COMPLETE THE DESIGN. SO IF THE PROJECT IS SHOWN AS FEASIBLE BASED ON THE STUDY FUTURE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS WOULD ESTIMATE ABOUT $800,000 TO 1.2 MILLION. SO THE COUNTY AGAIN IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN FUTURE SUPPORT, IT'D PROBABLY BE A 50/50 GRANT APPLICATION GOING AFTER THE REST OF THE PLANNING PHASES. BUT I THINK FROM MY UNDERSTANDING ON THE MAP ON THE TOP SECTION, AND THIS COULD HAVE CHANGED, IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE SINCE I SAT DOWN WITH FULLER, BUT THERE IS A POSSIBLE TRAIL BEHIND THAT SECTION J, WHICH IS BY THE RIVER. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF THE DOWN BY THE ROADWAY. SO THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT KIND OF TRAIL THINGS DISCUSSED IN THE 2017 MASTER PLAN, BUT NOTHING THERE IS SOLID UNTIL AFTER THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS COMPLETED TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE APPROPRIATE TRAIL ALIGNMENT. SO DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION FROM FULLER? ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. MR. CHAIR, I GUESS AND I THINK MOST OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED VIA EMAIL LOOKS LIKE I THINK THE BOARD WAS COPIED ON. I THINK WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF, WE'VE SEEN SOME IN SUPPORT OF THIS, WE'VE SEEN SOME WITH MORE QUESTIONS, I GUESS. AND I'M GLAD I JUST SAW YOU THE OTHER DAY, SIR. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THE PLAN I THINK IS ABOUT TEN YEARS OLD NOW. RIGHT. BUT 2017 TIME FRAME. AND I KNOW THAT PREDATES YOU. I THINK YOU'VE BEEN THERE ALMOST A YEAR NOW OR. OVER A YEAR. RIGHT. WHAT DOES PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT LOOK LIKE WITH THIS? I GUESS I KNOW YOU KNOW, WHEN I POSTED, I POSTED IT BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD SEEN THE TRAIL ALIGNMENT, AND IT APPEARED THAT THERE WERE SOME FOLKS THAT HADN'T SEEN IT NECESSARILY EITHER. SO I GUESS WHAT HAS BEEN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT UP TO THIS POINT? WHAT MIGHT IT LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD AS FAR AS ALIGNMENT AND THINGS? YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO THE BOARD AND MISS PUDLOW FOR INVITING US HERE TONIGHT. THERE'S PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ALL ALONG THE WAY. AND SO AS MISS PUDLOW SAID, IT IS NOT THE ROUTE IS NOT FINALIZED. NOTHING IS FINALIZED. THE MASTER PLAN IS A CONCEPT OF THE TRAIL AND WHERE IT MIGHT GO. THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL. AND IT WAS BASED ON ON RESEARCH AS WELL. BUT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL DETERMINE, BASED IN PART ON PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WILL BE THE EXACT ROUTE. SO THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT ROUTE. INSTEAD OF BEHIND IRWIN ROAD, IT CAN GO ON RIVER ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS UP IN SECTION J AROUND CAMERON'S LANDING OFFERED.
[35:01] FOR CONTEXT, HOPEWELL IS CONDUCTING WORK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RANDOLPH ROAD AND TO COMPLETE THE RIVERWALK. THE PETERSBURG WORK IS NOT COMPLETE, BUT IT'S FULLY FUNDED CURRENTLY, SO THIS STRETCH WOULD CONNECT THOSE TWO. SO THERE'S PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN THE BEGINNING, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, NOT JUST IN THE BEGINNING, BUT IT STARTS AT THE BEGINNING. THE FEASIBILITY STUDY INCLUDES PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WHERE THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO SPEAK WITH VDOT. AND FULLER IS THERE. WE HELP GET FUNDING FOR THE TRAIL. WE PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. WE DON'T MAKE THE DECISIONS. RIGHT. THAT'S FOR YOU ALL AND FOR VDOT. SO THERE'S PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS PART OF THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY. AND THEN THERE'S PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS DESIGN WORK BEGINS AND PROCEEDS AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE FOR THIS 10.4 MILLION, 7 MILLION IN SMART SCALE PROJECTS IN PETERSBURG RIGHT NOW, THERE'S PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PERIODS WHERE THERE'S POSTERS ALL UP AROUND THE ROOM. IT SHOWS EVERY SINGLE PARCEL AND IN SPECIFIC DETAIL WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT, WHERE THAT TRAIL MIGHT GO. AND THEN RESIDENTS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. I'VE BEEN TO MANY OF THESE MEETINGS FOR THE FALL LINE, FOR INSTANCE. RESIDENTS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND GIVE FEEDBACK. AND THAT REALLY IS LISTEN TO IT REALLY IS CONSIDERED AND CHANGES ARE MADE, RIGHT BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK. SOMETIMES CHANGES ARE NOT MADE OR SOMETIMES THERE'S JUST AGREEMENT, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY MUCH A PART OF THE PROCESS AND IT'S CONSIDERED AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT EXAMPLES LIKE THE CAPITAL TRAIL THERE WAS SOME RESISTANCE TO THE CAPITAL TRAIL AS WELL. THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT RUNNING THROUGH PROPERTIES OR, YOU KNOW, THE RURAL CHARACTER. AND IF YOU GO UP THERE AND LOOK AT THE TRAIL NOW, IT'S REALLY HELPED TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER AND LIFESTYLE IN PLACES LIKE CHARLES CITY COUNTY AND OTHER PLACES. SO WE VIEW THE TRAIL AS A BENEFIT IN THAT REGARD, IN LINE WITH WHAT PRINCE GEORGE IS SEEKING TO DO, RIGHT, WHICH IS TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACES AND PRIORITIZE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR CITIZENS. OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE ELSE? CLIFF, DID YOU GET MY TEAM'S MESSAGE? YES, SIR. I CAN PULL THAT UP. CAN YOU? DOCTOR BARTLETT, I WENT AND GOT THE PDF FROM FULLER'S WEBSITE. I JUST WANT TO GIVE SOME A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR TO THE FUTURE TRAIL LINE. YEAH, SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN CAN YOU ZOOM IN? ZOOM IN. ALL RIGHT. A LITTLE BIT MORE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE TRAIL WERE ON THE FORT LEE SIDE OF RIVER ROAD, THEY MIGHT SUPPORT IT. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS MAP AND THE MAP THAT WE WERE JUST DISPLAYING IS THAT ON THIS MAP, YOU'VE GOT THAT DOTTED PURPLE LINE TO THE LEFT OF THE WHITE HAND. AND I MEAN THAT GENERALLY APPEARS TO FOLLOW THE ROAD. ON THE OTHER PDF THAT WE HAD IT, IT SHOWS ONE LINE ON RIVER ROAD AND THEN ANOTHER LINE ACTUALLY ON THE RIVER. YEAH. SO WHEN WE GO INTO, YOU KNOW, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY PHASE, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON WHERE THE DOTTED LINE ON THIS WOULD, IT'S THE RIVER ROAD ROUTE THAT THEY WOULD BE PURSUING THE FEASIBILITY. OKAY. ANY IDEA WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD GO ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OR THE FEDERAL SIDE OF THE STREET. THE CONCEPT IS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIR. YES SIR. I SEE IT FOLLOWS THAT AND THEN IT JUMPS OVER IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS BLOCK HERE. IS THAT LIKE TEMPLE AVENUE? IT COMES DOWN AND CUTS ACROSS. IS THAT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT? NO TEMPLE'S THE DARK GOLD ONE UNDER APPOMATTOX BOAT HARBOR. IF YOU LOOK RIGHT UNDER FORT CLIFTON PARK, YOU'VE GOT A DOTTED LINE AND RIVER ROAD'S TO THE RIGHT. SO IT HAS TO, I GUESS, CROSS OVER AT SOME POINT. YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE IT MAKES A LEFT TURN BEFORE RIVER ROAD TO GO UP. THAT'S THE IRWIN ROAD SITE THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED. GOTCHA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT BY, YOU KNOW, VOTING IN FAVOR OF A FEASIBILITY STUDY TONIGHT. WE'RE NOT COMMITTING OURSELVES TO ANY SPENDING. IS ANY OF THE MONEY THAT WE FUND FULLER WITH IN OUR ANNUAL BUDGET USED FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. NO. SO THAT WOULD SUPPORT OUR GENERAL OPERATIONS AND ME YOUR URBAN PLANNER AND ALL OF THAT. OKAY. THANKS. CHAIRMAN COX JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY, SIR. WE HAVE WORKED WITH FORT LEE ON A COUPLE OF GRANT APPLICATIONS FOR THIS TYPE OF A THING, AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT THE FAVORABILITY OF THE FORT,
[40:07] PUTTING A TRAIL ON THEIR SIDE DID NOT SHOW FAVORABLE DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS. SO I JUST WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE DISCUSSIONS SO FAR WITH FORT LEE HAVE NOT BEEN FAVORABLE FOR ON THEIR SIDE. MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD DO YOU HAVE ANY ELABORATION ON SAFETY CONCERNS? YES, SIR. THOSE ARE RANGES AND THERE'S SOME WEAPON RANGES AND OTHER THINGS OVER THERE. SO THEY JUST FEEL LIKE PUTTING ANYTHING WHERE MORE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN IS ON THEIR SIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO INCREASE LIABILITIES. THE BASICS OF IT, BUT I DO HAVE A LETTER AND OTHER EMAILS IF YOU'D LIKE THE SPECIFICS. OKAY. I JUST, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I THINK WE HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT SAFETY. THAT SOUNDS LIKE DIFFERENT SAFETY. SAFETY, BUT DIFFERENT THAN PUBLIC CONCERN. THAT'S ALL I GOT MR. CHAIR. DO WE WANT TO PROVIDE A CONSENSUS TONIGHT. I'M FINE TO PROVIDE CONSENSUS. TWO, I CAN'T SEE SUPPORTING IT AT THIS TIME PERSONALLY. YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE GET GRANTS FOR IT, WHETHER WE NOT YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL BELIEF IS I THINK WE'LL BE GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE JUST BECAUSE OF THE FORT LEE RANGE IS NO CHANCE OF IT GOING ON THAT SIDE. SO THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING TO DEAL WITH EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT AND EMINENT DOMAIN, WHICH I DON'T SUPPORT ON THE OTHER SIDE. YOU'VE GOT A ROCK QUARRY THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AROUND. YOU'VE GOT SOME INDUSTRIAL STUFF AROUND THERE. AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES THAT IT WILL AFFECT. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON BEFORE BUILDING A PATH. AND THAT'S JUST WHERE I STAND ON IT AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY JUMPING. SO WE WILL, WON'T BE PROVIDING A CONSENSUS TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM UP FY 2027 UTILITY VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS. MR. LUMPKIN. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MS. PUDLOW, MR. KINGSBURY. THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAD AS IN OUR FY 27 BUDGET MONEY TO REPLACE TWO OF OUR VEHICLES. THE TWO VEHICLES WE'RE PLANNING TO REPLACE ARE 2013 F 350 AND A 2015 F 250. BOTH HAVE WELL OVER 125,000 MILES AND BOTH ARE OVER TEN YEARS OLD, WHICH ARE THE TWO GUIDELINES THAT FLEET LOOKS AT FIRST FOR REPLACING VEHICLES. THE F-350 NEEDS ABOUT $4,000 IN REPAIRS. RIGHT NOW IT IS PARKED AND THE STAFF MEMBER THAT USES THAT IS USING ANOTHER SPARE VEHICLE. AND THE F-250 IS HAS BEEN PARKED RIGHT NOW. ALSO, IT HAS A STALLING ISSUE THAT FLEET HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO DIAGNOSE FOR US YET, AND THAT PERSON IS USING ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE FOR HIM TO USE. NEITHER ONE OF THOSE ARE UTILITY BODY. THEY ARE STRAIGHT PICKUP TRUCKS, SO THEY'RE KEEPING THEIR TOOLS IN THE BED OF A TRUCK AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE RECEIVED QUOTES TO REPLACE EACH VEHICLE IS JUST UNDER $63,000. AND A TRUCK BETWEEN 3 AND $4000. THIS WAS FROM MAY FROM ANOTHER VEHICLE WE PURCHASED TO PUT ALL THE SAFETY LIGHTS ON. SO FOR EACH VEHICLE, WE'RE LOOKING AT LESS THAN 60 OR RIGHT AROUND 65 TO $66,000 TO REPLACE EACH OF THOSE VEHICLES. USING THE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION CONTRACT, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT LESS THAN $135,000 WHILE OUR BUDGET DOES INCLUDE $180,000 TO REPLACE THESE TWO VEHICLES. AND IT IS STAFF'S INTENT TO BRING THIS TO THE NEXT BOARD MEETING FOR APPROVAL TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO RK CHEVROLET FOR THE PURCHASE OF THESE TWO VEHICLES. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS. DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD. I KNOW THERE'S DISCUSSION AROUND TIMING OF ROTATING VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT MAYBE IT'S LONGER YEARS, LONGER MILES. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS THAT WE MAY HAVE EVEN ENTERTAINED, BUT BOTH OF THESE SEEM BEYOND EVEN WHAT I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO EVEN IF YOU WERE TO SAY WITH, CAN WE GO BACK A SLIDE? WHAT WERE THE TWO. I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING IT 13 YEARS AND 170. I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBER WE WERE GOING TO WAS EVEN GOING TO BE THAT HIGH.
[45:02] BUT ALSO, I MEAN, THOSE WORKING IN UTILITY TYPE STUFF, I DON'T KNOW IF 170 IS A LOT FOR THESE OR NOT. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS. [INAUDIBLE] I'M SEEING A LOT OF SERVICE TRUCKS GO TO LIKE $200,000. BUT YOU'RE HAVING TO PUT MONEY IN THEM AND THEN YOU HAVE TO LEAN ON YOUR GARAGE TO GO. IS IT FEASIBLE TO SINK SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS TO KEEP IT, GET ANOTHER 30,000 MILES OUT OR WHEN IT GOES TO AUCTION, ARE WE REOCCURRING SOME OF THE COSTS VERSUS PUTTING IT IN THE TRUCK AND THEN SELLING IT A YEAR OR TWO LATER. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY RESPECTABLE TO GO AHEAD AND SEND IT DOWN THE ROAD AND REPLACE IT. SO I THINK IT'S FEASIBLE TO REPLACE THEM EVEN BEFORE WE HAD GOTTEN TO THE REPAIRS THAT ARE NEEDED NOW. THE F-350 DOES HAVE AN OIL BURNING ISSUE THAT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED, AND THE F-250 IS RUSTING OUT IN THE FLOORBOARDS. JUST COMING OUT OF UTILITY OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT'S COMING OUT OF UTILITY. I NEED A CONSENSUS TO BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND WE'LL PLACE IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO, MR. HAMMEL. YES. MR. PUGH. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. AND I'M A YES. WE'LL PLACE THEM ON NEXT MEETING'S CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM UP IS PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION FOR COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC NOTICES FOR ZONING CHANGE. MR. LIGON WEBB. HELLO. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THIS IS JUST A FOLLOW UP. I WAS NOT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, BUT I DID WATCH THE THE HEARING AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE REGARDING PUBLIC NOTICE. I WILL SAY THIS IS KIND OF KIND OF A COMMON THEME. I THINK THERE'S A FEW REASONS WHY NOT JUST IN PRINCE GEORGE, BUT OTHER COMMUNITIES I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN. SO IT'S NOT NEW COMMENTS. ONE THING I DID ON MY MEMO, I WROTE, I DID SWITCH, GOT TWO THINGS WRONG. THE ADJOINING NOTICES YOU GET ONE, THE PAPER WOULD BE TWO. SO I ACTUALLY SAID IT THE OPPOSITE IN THE MEMO. SO THE NOTICE IN THE PAPER HAS TO RUN FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS. YOU JUST WILL BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD, YOU REPEAT THIS AND EVERYBODY WOULD GET A LETTER. I THINK A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS, IN MY OPINION, IS THAT THE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT GOES IN THE PAPER IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE READING THESE DAYS IS A HARD PAPER. AND SO TO ME, IN SOME RESPECTS, THE NOTICE THAT GOES IN THE PAPER, WHICH IS KIND OF EXPENSIVE, HAS THE LEASE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, EFFECT FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE PAY FOR IT. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP DOING THAT, OBVIOUSLY. AND THE PART OF THE SOLUTIONS I DO BELIEVE IS THAT WE DO POST ON BOARD DOCS. WE DO THAT FOR EVERY MEETING. AND THOSE ARE UP USUALLY A WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING. WE'LL DO THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS I DID TALK TO HANNAH THOMAS A LITTLE BIT, OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. ONE OF THE THINGS WE MAYBE COULD DO AND I'VE DONE OTHER LOCALITIES IS JUST MAKE A TAB ON OUR FRONT OF OUR WEBSITE JUST AS PUBLIC NOTICE, SO YOU CAN GO TO IT. AND JUST THE NOTICES THAT WOULD GO IN THE PAPER WOULD JUST BE RIGHT THERE. WHETHER IT'S PLANNING COMMISSIONER BOARD, ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED COULD JUST REALLY EASILY VISIBLE. MISS THOMAS SAID THAT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO ADD TO THE WEBSITE. SO I THINK THAT'S ONE THING WE CAN DO. THE OTHER THING THAT I'VE ALWAYS DONE IS I, WHEN I SEND THE ADJACENT NOTICES I WILL SEND IT TO MORE THAN THIS REQUIRED. SO IT'S A ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND THOSE ACROSS THE STREET. I WILL USUALLY LIKE TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER. IF THERE'S A SUBDIVISION AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S MAYBE A LOT OF LOTS IN A ROW THAT ARE THAT DON'T NECESSARILY MEET THE REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ONE THAT'S COMING UP ON WAGNER WAY. WE DID THAT. WE WENT ACROSS THE STREET. WE ALSO KIND OF WENT DOWN COURTHOUSE ROAD THERE. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PRACTICE. WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION. BUT THE ONE OTHER SORT OF VENUE THAT I THINK WE COULD USE THAT WILL REALLY BRING THE MOST FOLKS OUT IS JUST SOCIAL MEDIA IS JUST SIMPLY A WEEK BEFORE THE HEARING, JUST TAKING THE AD, MAYBE YOU DRESS IT UP A LITTLE BIT, MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE FRIENDLY FOR THE SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT JUST SIMPLY POST HERE IS THE BOARD'S PUBLIC HEARINGS COMING UP NEXT WEEK. PUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. YOU WILL GET WAY MORE PEOPLE ENGAGED THAT WAY THAN YOU WILL EVER PROBABLY GET IN THE PAPER THESE DAYS. SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER STRATEGY WE COULD TAKE IS TO PUT THAT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS TO KIND OF SPREAD THE WORD A LITTLE MORE. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE EASY TO DO. THE LAST THING IS IF WE WANT TO CONVENE A LITTLE SUBCOMMITTEE, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A FORMAL COMMITTEE, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A WORKGROUP WITH A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS AND A COUPLE OF PLANNING
[50:03] COMMISSION TO GO OVER THIS. WELCOME TO DO THAT. IT'S KIND OF UP TO THE BOARD IF YOU WANT TO DO A FORMAL COMMITTEE. I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT A FORMAL COMMITTEE IS NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO. BUT JUST FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE THE THINGS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO AND JUST, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW US ON DIFFERENT PLATFORMS AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE WEBSITE. WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT HIDING IT. AND AGAIN, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LETTERS GO OUT TO MAYBE MORE PEOPLE THAN IT'S REQUIRED. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COMMENT, MR. CHAIR I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO A SQUARE MILE RADIUS OR WHATEVER, WHEREVER THE PROPERTY IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE REZONED OR BUILT UPON OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE COME UP AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FINE WITH ME OF A CAST NET. AND WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A SQUARE MILE OR FIVE SQUARE MILES OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE, THAT WE JUST KIND OF DRAW A CIRCLE. AND THOSE ARE WHO WE SEND NOTICES TO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT OR? WELL, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE HEARING. I GENERALLY GO PRETTY FAR OUT. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SET A YOU KNOW, SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING 1000FT, RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU MIGHT GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE MAYBE SENDING IN SOME CASES HUNDREDS OF LETTERS. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY TIME CONSUMING. AND OF COURSE, I ALSO FORGOT WE ARE POSTING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY POSTING SIGNS AND THAT DOES, YOU KNOW, WE GET A LOT OF CALLS OVER SIGNS. I DON'T SEE ANY WRONG WITH SAYING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE ALL ADJOINING ADJACENT UP TO 300FT, WHATEVER MAY BE MORE MIGHT BE CAST A WIDER NET. YOU KNOW, I'D BE A LITTLE HESITANT TO MAYBE SAY EVERYTHING IN 1000FT JUST BECAUSE THAT COULD LITERALLY BE, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF NOTICES, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S AT. I CAN JUST TELL YOU THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW, THE WAY WE WENT PRETTY, PRETTY FAR OUT AND PRETTY AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE AN IDEA, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT. WELL, I GET THE CONCERN. YES, THERE WILL BE NUMEROUS. IF YOU HAD SOMETHING GOING ON AT BRANCHESTER LAKES, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 500 HOMES IN THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEND FIVE, 600 LETTERS. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHEN IT COMES BACK TO THE SIGN THAT GOES ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE EXPANDING IT, MAYBE WE DO ENTRANCEWAYS TOO TO SAY, HEY, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THAT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE EVERY TIME THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING OR REZONING, I GET 50 PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME GOING, I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE TO CURTAIL THE INFORMATION DRIVE THAT WE STARTED POSTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. WE MADE OUR SIGNS BIGGER. WE DID OUR CAST NET BIGGER. I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO THE CITIZENS WHEN THEY COME UP HERE AND ASK. SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST THING. ALL THE CONCERNS. I WOULD SUPPORT A SUBCOMMITTEE OR WORK, WHATEVER THE THING WOULD BE, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD. NO COMMENTS. SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY LATER ABOUT SOME NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. MR. WEBB, I THINK YOU'VE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. THE PROBLEM WE SEE IN PRINCE GEORGE IS WE SEND A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF LETTERS, AND A LOT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THE COUNTY. THEY JUST OWN THE PROPERTY. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM. SO IF WE CAN CAST THE NET WIDER TO WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY CATCH OR CAPTURE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE RESIDENTS, I THINK THAT WILL BE A GREAT START. BUT, YOU KNOW, A SUBCOMMITTEE IS FINE. IF YOU WANT TO GET A COUPLE PEOPLE ON YOUR SIDE. SCOTT, I'M ASSUMING SINCE YOU'LL MR. HAMMEL, YOU HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST, YOU EXPRESSED INTEREST IN BEING ON IT. I WOULD BE GLAD TO SERVE AT THE BOARD'S PLEASURE, SIR. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO BE ON IT? I CAN DO IT, TOO. SO, MR. PHILIP PUGH. MR. SCOTT HAMMEL. OKAY, WE CAN DO IT. I GOT A WORK GROUP THAT. AND WE JUST KIND OF HAVE A MEETING AND MAYBE BRING A COUPLE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE INTERESTED. AND I CAN SHOW YOU SOME REAL LIFE EXAMPLES, KIND OF SOME OF THE ISSUES, BUT NO GOOD CONVERSATION. WE'RE WILLING TO I WANT FOLKS TO KNOW ABOUT IT. AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AGGRESSIVE WITH TRYING TO GET THE NOTICES OUT. AND I'VE EVEN BEEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE I'VE BEEN TOLD, DON'T BE AS AGGRESSIVE. SO BUT IT CAME FROM A GOOD PLACE. BUT I'M MUCH MORE DEFAULT TOWARD LETTING MORE PEOPLE KNOW THAN JUST DOING WHAT'S REQUIRED. SO. SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? IF NOT. JUST A COMMENT, THANK YOU FOR ALREADY DIVING IN ON GETTING THE FACEBOOK HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, ADDING THAT TAB TOO SO. YEAH. IT'S A POSITIVE. HOPEFULLY WHEN IT'S DONE WE CAN PUT OUT A THING SAYING, YOU KNOW, NOTIFYING PEOPLE.
[55:05] SO THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. YEP. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM UP IS A MOU WITH RRJ UPDATE CHIEF LEACH. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN COX. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MRS. PUDLOW. MR. KINGSBURY, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST THE CONTINUATION OF THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR RIVERSIDE REGIONAL JAIL. THAT DOCUMENT BASICALLY OUTLINES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBILITIES REGARDING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND TRAFFIC INCIDENTS. THE WORDING IN THAT DOCUMENT HASN'T CHANGED AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. REALLY I'M REQUESTING UPDATED SIGNATURES FOR THAT DOCUMENT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? THANK YOU SIR. DO YOU WANT A CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING? OKAY. Y'ALL WANT TO DO THAT? GET A CONSENSUS TO BRING IT BACK ON THE NEXT MEETING FOR APPROVAL. MR. HAMMEL? YES, SIR. MR. PUGH. PHILIP PUGH. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. I'M A YES. THANK YOU SIR. YES. BACK UP. BACK UP, BACK UP. GOT THE NEXT SLIDE. OH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT ITEM WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING INTO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS. THIS WILL BE A RESOLUTION TO REQUEST TO DONATE TWO SURPLUS RADAR SETS TO RICHARD BLAND COLLEGE. POLICE FROM THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT CHIEF LEACH. YES, SIR. I SPOKE TO THE CHIEF OUT THERE, AND HE'S INTERESTED IN BUILDING OUR TEAM WORK EFFORT REGARDING HIGHWAY SAFETY. WE HAVE TWO SURPLUS RADAR DEVICES THAT WILL HELP US COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS IN HIGHWAY SAFETY. AND WE JUST WE WOULD LIKE TO DONATE THOSE RADAR SETS SO THEY CAN HELP US. ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS? I'LL ACCEPT THE MOTION. SO MOVED. HAVE MOTION. HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. COX. YES. MR. PHILIP PUGH. YES. MR. HAMMEL. YES. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM UP WILL BE A RESOLUTION SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND HOLLY AND GEORGE FANADY FOR PROPERTY DAMAGE. MR. KINGSBURY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A SETTLEMENT AND RELEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE FANADY'S. IT'S RELATED TO SOME DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE TO THEIR VEHICLE TIRES WHEN THEY ENCOUNTERED POLICE ACTIVITY. POLICE WAS IN PURSUIT OF A FLEEING VEHICLE. THE AMOUNT OF THIS PAYMENT FOR SETTLEMENT AND RELEASE IS $1,887.23. YOU'VE HEARD THE RESOLUTION. YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SO MOVED. I HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. COX. YES. MR. HAMMEL. YES. MR. PHILIP PUGH. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. OKAY. NEXT ITEM UP. SELECTION OF A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CAST A VOTE FOR THE PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY AT THE 2026 VACO ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING. MISS PUDLOW. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. KINGSBURY. SO THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNTIES ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH TO POOL RESOURCES AND ENSURE CRITICAL AREAS OF LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY TAKE PLACE. AS THE VOICE OF VIRGINIA'S COUNTIES VACO REPRESENTS COUNTIES IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WITH AND WITH STATE AGENCIES. THEY ALSO OFFER EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND AMONG OTHER RESOURCES, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. PRINCE GEORGE IS A MEMBER OF VACO AND THE 2026 ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING OF THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, OR VACO, WILL BE HELD ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH AT THE OMNI HOTEL OR HOMESTEAD IN BATH COUNTY, VIRGINIA. AS OUTLINED IN ARTICLE SIX OF THE VACO BYLAWS, EACH COUNTY MUST DESIGNATE A REPRESENTATIVE OF ITS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CAST ITS VOTES AT THE ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING. IF A BOARD MEMBER IS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING, THE BYLAWS PERMIT COUNTIES TO DESIGNATE EITHER A NON-ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM YOUR COUNTY, OR YOU CAN DO A MEMBER OF A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM ANOTHER COUNTY TO ACT AS A PROXY IN YOUR BEHALF TO ENSURE THE COUNTY THAT YOUR COUNTY IS CERTIFIED TO VOTE AT THE BUSINESS MEETING AND COMPLETE VOTING CREDENTIALS. WE WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A PROXY FORM TO VACO NO LATER THAN OCTOBER 23RD, INFORMING THEM OF WHO THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO WHO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD LIKE TO ANNOTATE FURTHER. VOTING MEMBER. NONE OF Y'ALL ABLE TO GO. NONE OF Y'ALL ABLE TO GO. BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES. HOW DOES THE BOARD FEEL TO BE APPOINTING MISS PUDLOW? THAT'S WHAT WE NORMALLY DO. IF WE DON'T HAVE A BOARD MEMBER PRESENT. MISS PUDLOW, WILL YOU BE IN ATTENDANCE FOR THE SEVENTH THROUGH THE 10TH, OR AT LEAST FOR, I GUESS, FOR THE TUESDAY SESSION? I'LL JUST GO FOR THE TUESDAY SESSION AND TRY TO YEAH. NOT THE WHOLE TIME, SIR, BUT I CAN GO FOR THE VOTE. I'M NOT AVAILABLE. I CAN'T OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE. NOVEMBER 10TH. AND IT'S IN BATH, RIGHT? YES.
[1:00:11] MISS PUDLOW, [INAUDIBLE] MR. PUGH, LOOK AT THIS. IS THIS GENERALLY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY YEAR? YES. YES SIR. TUESDAY. I'LL TRY TO MAYBE SCHEDULE FOR THAT NEXT YEAR. I'VE ALREADY BOOKED OUT THE REST OF MY YEAR FOR PROJECTS. I COULD PROBABLY GO. NO PROBLEM. WE GOT NO CONVINCING. BECAUSE WE GOT. I CAN GO. ALL RIGHT, I'M OFF. ALL RIGHT. MR. PUGH IS PHILIP PUGH IS INTERESTED. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT HIM AS A REPRESENTATIVE. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT MR. PHILIP PUGH AS THE BOARD'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THE VACO CONFERENCE. I HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL, MR. WEBB. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. MR. HAMMEL. YES. MR. PHILIP PUGH. ABSTAINED. MR. COX. YES. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON. NEXT ITEM UP IS RESOLUTION APPOINTMENT OF A ONE TIME MOU REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR SCHOOL FUNDING MOU. MISS PUDLOW. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, CHAIRMAN COX, MR. KINGSBURY. THIS ITEM IS TO FORMALLY REQUEST THE APPOINTMENT OF A ONE TIME MOU REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR SCHOOL FUNDING. IF THE BOARD DEEMS NECESSARY TO ESTABLISH A ONE TIME AD HOC COMMITTEE TO REVIEW, NEGOTIATE AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING A PROPOSED MOU WITH PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD AND PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. WITH THE GOAL OF REPORTING A FINAL FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE FULL BOARD ON OR BEFORE 1ST JANUARY 2027. THERE'S A RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS ARE APPOINTED. IF IT'S THE BOARD'S WILL, THAT'S MISTER OR EXCUSE ME, SUPERVISOR SCOTT HAMMEL, SUPERVISOR FORD PUGH, MYSELF, AND THEN MISS NAMRATA MEHTA, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HAVE A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL. MR. FORD PUGH. ABSTAIN. MR. HAMMEL. ABSTAIN. MR. PHILIP PUGH. YES. MR. COX. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD HOLD A CLOSED SESSION, A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 2.2-3711 A 1 FOR A THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AN APPOINTMENT TO THE CRATER PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION FOR AN INTERIM TERM. B THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AN APPOINTMENT TO THE SOCIAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD FOR AN INTERIM TERM, C THE APPOINTMENT OF A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND D DISCUSSION OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. HAVE A MOTION HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL. MR. HAMMEL. YES. MR. PHILIP PUGH. YES. MR. COX. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. Y'ALL ARE WELCOME TO STICK AROUND. WE. HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOO LONG, AND WE'LL BE BACK. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE BEEN IN CLOSED SESSION. I WILL REQUEST A MOTION TO COME OUT CERTIFYING. WE TOOK PLACE IN THE BACK. MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO RECONVENE IN AN OPEN SESSION TO CERTIFY TO VIRGINIA CODE 2.2-3712, THAT ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS AND IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED AND HEARD, WERE DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED. I HEARD A MOTION DO I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL. MR. PHILIP PUGH. YES. MR. COX. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. MR. HAMMEL. YES. ALL RIGHT. MOVING INTO THE AGENDA AGAIN. RESOLUTION FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CRATER PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION. INTERIM TERM. MOTION. MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT GEORGE L FICKETT. OKAY, YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL, MR. COX. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. MR. HAMMEL. YES. MR. PHILIP PUGH. YES. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. RESOLUTION FOR APPOINTMENT OF AN INTERIM TERM FOR SOCIAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT? MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT BERNICE REEVES TO THE SOCIAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD. I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. MULTIPLE SECONDS. GOT IT. I GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL, MR. COX. YES. MR. PHILIP PUGH. YES. MR. HAMMEL. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. OKAY. AND THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, I NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. WE GOT A SECOND BEFORE WE GOT THE MOTION. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. PHILIP PUGH.
[1:05:04] YES. MR. HAMMEL. YES. MR. FORD PUGH. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. COX. YES. WE STAND ADJOURNED.