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Good morning. All right, calling, planning, housing, and economic development committee to order. Are we all? We are now. Good morning, everyone. Calling, planning, housing, and economic development committee to order on September 27th. Can we please call the roll? Chair Belgaire, present. Councilmember Adam Stafford. Councilmember Denova.

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Councilmember Olsen.

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Here.

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Vice-cheroyada.

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Here.

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Motion.

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I made five members present at the roll call.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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So we have a long agenda of bills today.

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Can we start with?

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Is this CB19?

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The first one, the agenda.

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Madam Chair.

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Good morning.

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We can start with CB19.

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Or we can go.

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Okay, so let me circle back, sorry about that, I would like to bring CB89 forward and

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act concerning sale of tobacco products and convenience stores.

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And that I think we have a motion for this bill.

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Motion to move favourable?

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Sorry.

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AB9.

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AB9 on pause lines.

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It's closed.

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The whole.

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I have two bills just for clarification.

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We are going to be moving this forward, originally staff thought we needed the two pieces of legislation and they are recommending only one.

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So my intention is still to pass this legislation, we're just holding the one we don't believe we need.

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Okay, thank you. So you have a motion to hold and yes, so there's been a motion, okay.

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There's a motion by the chair, second by the vice chair.

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Please call the roll.

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Councilmember Adam Stafford.

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Councilmember Danoga.

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Councilmember Olsen.

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Aye.

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you so much. Okay. Now we can move on to Medicare 5 may interrupt or you all voted to hold indefinitely. Is that correct for CB 89. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much for the record that it is held indefinitely. Thank you. All right.

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Next on the agenda is CB81, I would note that our council member, Adams, has asked if we could hold this until Monday, because he is not able to make it, so we're holding it, and do we need to vote to hold to Monday?

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Okay, make a move.

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Second.

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Okay, there's a motion to hold.

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second. Chair Bogey. I. Councilmember Adam Stafford. I. Councilmember Denoga. Councilmember

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Olsen. Aye. Vice Chair Ouyaga. Motion carries 5-0. Yes, 8-1. And we will be bringing back

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8-1 on Monday. And thank you all. Sorry. We are moving around in the agenda today. So finally,

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We are back at CB19, and I would like to turn it over to Ms. Hightower.

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That's good morning, Chair Blaguey, and members of the PHED Committee.

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CB19, 2026, draft one, repeals the exemption from detailed site plan review for qualified data centers.

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This bill was held in the committee on April 2, 2026.

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There is a proposed draft to A and Mr. Hamlin can discuss those amendments.

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Those amendments can be located on pages 34 through 38 of your binder.

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The planning department, excuse me, the planning board voted to take no position on the legislation.

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The office of law found the bill to be in proper legislative form with no impediments to enactment.

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We previously had one person sign up online.

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I'd like to turn to either the bill's sponsor or to Mr. Hamlin to go with amendments.

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And I'm turning over to Chair Riyada.

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Thank you.

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So this is a piece of legislation that I promised to move forward the moment that myself, many of my colleagues and the community have learned about a piece of

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The legislation that passed before I came to serve on this body that for me, I have to be honest, I felt like really blindsided the community. It created a process that would allow for data centers not to come before the council. It would allow them to go straight to permitting. And as I said before, I'll say again, I think it was done

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unintentionally to allow for the land oversight to get where it was in the dark of night.

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I think it's why so many residents, not just in Prince George's County, I think around

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the country are distrustful of politicians because they take money from special interests

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and they do things like that piece of legislation.

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So, then that when it opens up, they can say, well, I didn't approve it.

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I had no hands in it.

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It happened not on my watch, but there's an accountability where anything of that magnitude

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should one come before this body and that it should have a process that allows for community

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input.

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And so, what this piece of legislation will do here today is rectify what I think was

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a huge wrong and it was a way to cut out democracy and the community's voice and things that

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can be the most impactful to them. I also have amendments that the lawyers will go over that

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specifically looks at besting rights and abilities so that no project, no matter the time

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time in which it started here in Prince George's County, would be able to benefit from that

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law that was passed, a permanent solution to something that we have been advocating for.

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So I hope that my colleagues will support me in passing this piece of legislation today.

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I just think that it's important that we center the community and the residents and that

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that they have a voice and that we write the wrong of the body that, to me, passed something

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in the dark of night and we have an opportunity to do something that's right and one step

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closer to restoring the faith of residents and those that they elect to serve them.

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So thank you.

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Thank you and I also want to say something because I was part of the group I personally promised

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that I would put this forward, that was one of the promises that I made last year.

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And I do want to apologize to many.

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I was also blindsided and felt a bit foolish as I went around telling people,

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oh, if there's a data center coming and they're concerned from the residents,

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it has to come before the council.

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I said that multiple times.

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I did not find out until I served on the qualified data center task force.

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And during that time, that was when we discovered

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heard that there had been a bill that would remove this process in 2021 prior to me coming

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on the council. No one even council members that we served with even notified us about

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this, which made us feel then that it had to go back and actually tell people that actually

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I was wrong, it doesn't come before the council. I am all about transparency. I've been

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about transparency, that's been something that I pushed on the council, that's why we have been very vocal about every part of the process, even when it makes me look vulnerable.

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And in this one there, even, let's just say whether you're four or opposed data centers to cut out the process that gives at least the ability for the community to be a part of the process, meaning that pressuring their council members using the democracy that's been put before.

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for us makes it, makes it clear to people and it almost sends a picture that everyone

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is in on putting the data center in the community and doesn't want the community to have a

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I would say that this is not.

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We have been lobbied hard against doing this.

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And even colleagues that I have supported in the past have said don't do this because this

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might send the wrong message, but we're sending the right message.

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If a data center wants to come to the community, they got to go through the same process as everyone else, there should be no exceptions.

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And in fact, there should be even more scrutiny on the data center because it has more impact on our community than building a town home or an apartment building.

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the amount of electricity that is taken, we're going into a-

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Another cold, they say that this is even going to be a colder winter. And now we're going to have to deal with all of the people who can't pay their bills because they're competing now with a data center in their community. We are also dealing with a lot of impact that we're looking at water. They're things I've heard everyone. So for this, I am a solid support of this. I am unwavering. I'm asking nobody, please do not come and ask me if I'm going to vote against it because the answer is no.

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So, don't even bother.

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All right, so we are moving on to,

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we are moving on to,

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oh yes, yes and we do not want

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to put any pressure on our great

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Shayla, our councilmember here

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to have people at her door

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at everywhere begging to make sure

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that we don't have this happen.

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So we do not want to repeat history.

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So I want to turn it over to councilmember

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I believe I asked to be added as a co-sponsor of this bill, but there was so much happening at the time, I'm not sure if I was added on, so I'd like to be added.

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And I just want to thank my colleagues for really jumping into action once we realized really what was happening was I was gotten to office last year.

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We contacted the community, came together as colleagues and said, what can we do to ensure that this doesn't happen to any other community in our county.

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For something of this magnitude as my colleagues have said, it's really important that the community has a say in how it presents itself, whether that be through regulation, whether that be through, you know, just some of the guidelines.

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It's unconscionable to think that something would be just placed in a community, and I think that we have historical legacies of large scale industrial operations being put into communities of color with no input, no feedback.

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And so I'm really grateful for this piece of legislation.

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I think that, again, this is really sending a strong message that the council is the voice

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of the people, and so anything like this needs to come before us.

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So again, I'm really grateful, and I ask to be added.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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And I'll go back to Ms. High's hours to discuss amendments.

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Madam Chair, I'd like to defer to Mr. Hamlin.

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Thank you very much.

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Good morning.

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As it was noted, the intention of the original bill was to undo a provision in CB-120-1

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that exempted qualified data centers from the detailed site plan.

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Draft1 did that, but what Draft2 does is it reaches back into projects which may be

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be proceeding pursuant to the zoning ordinance's transitional provisions under the prior zoning ordinance.

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And what it does then is reach back and basically put a stop to any project which may have been proceeding under the old ordinance unless they have vested rights.

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And that's a legal issue that we can't deal with.

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But essentially what this does is foreclose even projects which were able to proceed under the prior ordinance from doing so.

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So it strengthens it, and I think really fulfills all the sponsors intent.

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Draft 2 also does one other thing, and that is it adds language.

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This is on page 3, line 7 and 8.

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It would require, in addition to the detailed site plan approval,

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that qualified data centers be consistent with the general plan

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and conform to all applicable area master plans, sector plans,

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and functional master plans, and this is another sort of check or control on data centers

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proceeding against kind of the wishes of the people.

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Is anything else, that's it?

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That's, that's, that's, that's something to be it, yeah.

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All right.

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Now we'll turn to the speaker list that we have starting with Beth Mondry.

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Testing.

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There we go.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Good morning, Chair Blighay and members of the Pied Committee. My name is Beth Landry, and I represent C-Can Action Fund. We respectfully wish to raise a very important question regarding CB-119-2026. Being our concern that by passing this legislation puts the hyper-scale data center more auditorium at risk, and we would appreciate clarification that this does not do that. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Sure.

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It does not.

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At all.

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This is to the moratorium focus on anything moving forward, right?

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But we had an issue because there are certain projects that had already moved forward.

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So we need this legislation as a stop gap for that.

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And yeah, and I would just agree to make sure people understand you have to, I know that people want to permanent moratorium, but there is right now, unless until we get that and have the votes for that, we want to make sure that nobody skips through the process, understand there are a lot of ways to get around this, and this is one of them and we have to stop it.

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Okay, so next person is Sarah Hines,

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and after Sarah Hines, we have Terry Ardvinson,

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an indivisible. Thank you.

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Good morning, and thank you for your time. I'm Sarah Hines, and I'm with Route 1 Indivisible

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Quarter. Oh, Route 1 Quarter Indivisible Group, and I live in Beltsville. Although we move

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from today's agenda, I would like to voice concern about CB085 2026, which permits

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qualified data centers in agricultural and residential areas, and repeals detailed plan

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review. I'm very happy that you are supporting that you have CB019 2026, which repeals that

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exemption from the detailed site review of the data centers. You know, from an environmental

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which I know you've raised and you're all aware, but I'll just bring it up again from Lawrence Berkeley National Lab reports that 66 billion leaders of water were used in 2023,

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and they project 124 billion leaders of water in 2028.

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The amount of electricity was 4% in 2023.

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They're projected it would be 12% by the end of the decade.

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And this would bring in hundreds of tons of carbon emissions into the environment.

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Microsoft reports employment of 50 employees for an average size data center.

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So we're not bringing in great employment.

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And yes, there's construction employment, but that ends after it's built.

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And the one more thing I'd like to add is Dario Amide, co-founder of Anthropic,

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believes we should be slowing down the pace of this pace of AI and of due to cyber security breaks.

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So let's do the same, and I'm also in support of our two-year moratorium.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next, Terry Arvinson.

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And after Terry Arvinson, we have Nancy Bison.

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Bisoner.

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Good morning.

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My name is Terry Arvinson.

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I'm a Laurel resident in Mr. Dernogas district.

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And a proud indivisible member with indivisible buoy and beyond.

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Thank you. I did not fully realize what CB-19 was going to do and I really appreciate that you recognize that loophole and have strengthened the moratorium. I would urge you to take it further and work very hard to get a permanent ban.

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the onus or the load that is going to be put on communities in terms of water and sewer

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in terms of noise and other types of pollution is not contributing to the quality of life

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that we appreciate here in Prince George's County.

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So I urge you to please keep working towards that.

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I am concerned about development plans and the streamlining of them, and I'll talk

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about that later when I come back up, but I do believe that the promise of increased

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revenues that is being touted by

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Others in support of establishing data centers, especially hyper data centers, is totally out of line with the cost that will be paid by the communities in which they're placed. And again, the load on the infrastructure that this state cannot support right now, especially given as Councillor Blay, like they said, with an upcoming cold winter.

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And all the other things that we've got going on is just not going to work for this state.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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We have Nancy.

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And after Nancy, Kathy, Bob Solomon.

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Hi, Honourable Council. I have feedback for you today.

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I was in District 4. I'm so sorry, Tim Adams isn't here right now.

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But I was at District 4 and I represent today myself and 30 voters.

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And I wanted to give you feedback for the moratorium.

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You had said something in that day that it finally got passed that 80% of our constituents

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don't want data centers.

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And I found for my 30% sampling that it's your wrong counsel woman.

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It's actually closer to 100%.

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So I went and I talked to people.

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I asked them if they knew anything about the moratorium and the words that I got back

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or common sense, good for them, it makes sense.

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Thank goodness.

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Then I got, when I said to them,

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what would they like me to say to the council?

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I got, they know that data centers and AI

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are not good for the communities.

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They know that they're all over Virginia.

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People say they don't want them in Peach County.

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Prince George's, I had a student, a data science student.

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He said, they require so much energy, they're needed.

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the big pollution they don't they don't want them in a college city, so everybody is against them.

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But I also wanted Mr. Councilmember Adams to know that the people that I said,

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did you know that your own councilperson voted against the moratorium?

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And they were surprised by that. They were very surprised.

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And I'm happy to go to anybody's district and inform people and get their feedback.

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back. And they were all saying respect the two-year hold. And so, of course, I'm in support

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of 019 and I'm in support of the two-year moratorium. We need more listening tours. I appreciate

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that. But I also want to read this thing from a lady. This encompasses everything. I reject

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having a data center built in Prince George's County. I live 4.6 miles from the proposed

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Those development, the quality of life in land over and surrounding areas, is already

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depressed in this lower income community.

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The light and noise pollution from a data center would further degrade the quality of

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life in the area.

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There are times we can hear concerts playing in Northwest Stadium, which is 4.6 miles away.

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I can't imagine the compounded impact of no more noise from the data center on our peace

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and quality of life.

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My electricity costs of these past two years have ballooned tremendously.

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Higher cost for electricity due to data centers' demands would make living in Prince George's

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County untenable.

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During summertime droughts, PG County has been under water restrictions.

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The strain of data centers, immense water requirements, blah, blah, blah, you all know all this.

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Lastly, her property value, her property value, would decrease.

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And then she says, the citizens of Land Over surrounding areas and

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Prince Georgians as a whole deserve better.

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We deserve to be protected by our County Council and we deserve better.

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And I really wanted Tim Adams to hear that, sorry.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you so much.

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I'm Kathy.

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Are you here?

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You are.

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And John Robinson after her.

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Good morning, Kathy Burtomeo.

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I'm concerned about the CB19 in hoping that we can make it better.

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Do we have the expertise in the county council and the planning board to address the concerns regarding data centers?

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members.

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I'm a member of the climate justice wing.

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This is a group that talks to legislators at the Maryland General Assembly, and we have

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engineers, we have scientists, we have many people that we talk to and interview talked

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with the legislators on the bills that they're planning, and we are involved with the Charles

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County, Frederick, Calvert, and Eastern Shore people, working to learn about their concerns

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about data centers, and what the developers are wanting, and how...

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We're trying to oppose these great demands that data centers are having on our counties. As in Fritter County, they're line up the farmland.

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Building close to an elementary school, just very close and keeping a power plant that was scheduled to close, but now it's going to remain open because of electricity demand. But I admire Hartford County who has banned data centers. And as you know, water is needed.

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that we can't live without it for two or three days.

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In the Potomac River, it's the most endangered river

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in the United States.

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People think Colorado, because that feeds all these states,

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but the Potomac River is the most endangered due to economics

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and for people needing water.

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Also, planning, how can the council put in data centers

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when they're going to use PFAS. There's no way to gather and protect people from the PFAS.

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That's going to be used in these data centers. You can't retain them. And the EPA now is no longer

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handling the PFAS short on time, I guess. But as you know, the electricity shortage we're

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expecting rolling blackouts more than 13 days a year is a future scenario. In Virginia schools

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already had part black out outages on the first day of school.

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So I'm hoping that we can follow the climate action plan more carefully.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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And Councilmember Austin.

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Yeah, if I could just, Ms. Bratolimo, I appreciate your comments.

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So current law says that data centers don't have to go before the public don't have to go for

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a detailed site plan.

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And we're just saying in this, say a future council someday wants to do that, that should

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be taken out.

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They should absolutely have to go, even if we don't want them, they should go before

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the public.

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So, that's what this bill does.

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We're on the side of the residents here, I believe.

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So, and the moratorium stays in effect.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. As I said before, we have to catch every loophole. If something happens with

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that vote in the moratorium is pulled up, that means that a data center can go through

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without any detailed site plan. And that means that your voices will not be heard. John,

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and after John Taylor. Yes, thank you. My name is John Robinson.

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I live in a

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of CB19.

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I think there should be no shame in admitting that one has been duped by the

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tech bros. I mean, they can be very convincing. I understand. But I think another thing we

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need to do is look at the long-term intentions. And if you pay attention to what they've

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been saying amongst themselves, their plan is to use generative AI to basically replace

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us not only in the areas where we use our intellectual powers but also replace physical

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labor with robots.

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And you need to look at the end point that they're planning to go to with generative AI.

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There's the argument has been made by people that look at the economics of this that they actually have no intention of ever turning a profit because they have this fantastic grandiose plans to, quote, live forever upload their brains to a computer, shoot it off into space and escape to Mars.

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Now Mars has no significant atmosphere, but if you're a quote silicon being, which is what they talk about, it really won't matter to them.

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And they're talking about simulating all the things that we enjoy here on Earth, on the computer, whether it's hearing birds sing or forest and so forth.

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I think we need to be aware of where they're trying to take this and just recently, you know, one of the chief architects at Anthropic pointed out that

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There's a 10% chance in his estimation that by 2030, AI will have decided that human

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beings are superfluous, and that's only four years from now, by the way, and could wipe

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us out.

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And so, you know, use your imagination, is it that hard to imagine that, say, somebody with

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gigafactories might manufacture an army of robots that potentially could, you know, be controlled

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by AI that could do us all in. I mean these sound fantastical and ridiculous but these are

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As that the tech elite have been talking about amongst themselves for a very long time. It's been

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well-documented by Gilderan, who's been following them. And he has a new book out called The

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Nerd Right, Obvious Play On Words. So I hope that you'll take that all into consideration.

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And I strongly support CV19. Thank you. Thank you so much, and Taylor. And after Taylor,

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or our last one is Kevin.

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All right, good morning.

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I'm Taylor Frazier McCollum,

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and I'm here to speak on CB19, 2026.

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Last year, I started a petition on change.org

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to stop the hyperscope data center

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proposed in land over Maryland.

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So I want to start with the position.

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This right here is 25,000 signatures,

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and we have more than 25,000 signatures at this point.

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And over 25,000 people agree

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that data centers bring more detriment

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than revenue potential.

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I support this legislation with amendments.

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The legislation would allow, would still allow a qualified data center on the Bowie State

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University campus.

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This week, Bowie State is the location for the Center for Engagement, Environmental

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and Health and Justice Symposium.

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Bowie State also hosted the county's environmental conference last year.

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So how can such conflicting messages be sent?

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On one hand, Bowie wants to be seen as a leader in environmental justice, but they should

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still be allowed to have a data center on campus.

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I disagree.

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There are so many other ways for Bowie State to lead in technology innovation without loss

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a tree line in Habitat, Maryland is in a drought currently, and we import 40% of our electricity.

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We don't have water or energy to spare on any level for a data center.

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I'm curious what exempts Bowie State and if other universities will want similar exemptions

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in the future.

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If this is the best we can do, we are still not keeping the promises to residents.

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PG County has a climate plan, and with an efforting from the American Lung Association,

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we can't afford another environmental burden.

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Science that we look past the exception, yes, I'll be over the moon when Landlewer is officially

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stopped.

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But I promise those that sign my position that I will fight to stop hyperscale data center development in the county and this exception for

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Bowie State puts that promise at risk.

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We have no details on the size or scope of any future development of a data center at Bowie State.

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But we know it will raise electric costs and use precious drinking water.

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We as a county only have 24 to 48 hour emergency supply of water.

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And until those issues are addressed, we need a permanent pause on data centers.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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Okay, Chair.

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Yeah, just for clarity, the pause for the two year, more time stops any data service, including the state.

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There is no place that could move forward with any type of conceptual design, detailed site plan.

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No data center period could move forward within any process in the county.

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The issue was that the legislation that was passed before some of us were elected caused

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for a project to move forward in the process that the moratorium did not impact, meaning

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it could live outside the moratorium.

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It could continue to go forward because it would not be captured in the moratorium.

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So the only way to deal with that was with separate piece of legislation.

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So this is a stopgap for anything that lived outside of the moratorium, but

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the moratorium stops any project for moving for the two years.

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But I just want to echo my sentiment.

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I am for a full band.

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I've said it every time I have an opportunity to say it.

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But it takes six votes for us to get there.

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But we have two years, and I say we, as advocates, to hopefully get other people there where we can hopefully pass a full ban.

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I don't think this can be regulated. I think it needs to be stopped.

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But I'm doing everything that I have in my power now to make sure that we listen to the residents.

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We stop what we can with the votes we have.

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But I'll continue to fight to make sure that we permanently stop it here in Prince George County.

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thank

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you and now we lastly we have Kevin. Good morning. I just want to I think Taylor was talking

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about the line on page three under section four B, part three. There's a line about

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B, our campus center. I don't know if that's like yeah just clarifying what that means and then

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And just to add on to everyone saying people are in support of a permanent ban, I wanted

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to add that within the task force report hidden in the appendix, there are dozens of pages

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is people are just saying, you know.

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No data centers. I don't want, don't build data centers. Don't put it here. Find another solution. Huge concern. It's these are very clear statements. Unfortunately, a task force of force doesn't even reflect that as a possibility or an option. But just wanted to run the council that this is the popular demand or the presence. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Do we know anything about the boy's date?

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Yeah, so he's referencing what the current code says.

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So when you look at the legislation, the underlining part is what's being added to the code.

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So when they originally passed the legislation, they had things that passed in the code at that time.

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So all we're doing is stopping it so nothing can move forward, because right now nothing can move forward, no matter what's in the code.

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The reason why we're not doing a full like what you consider like regulation change where we start to say oh, you can't put it here, you can't put it there. That's a separate slope when you talk about comprehensive legislation.

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So we don't want to pass comprehensive legislation that regulates where data center can and cannot go what the specifications are or not.

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So someone windowed dresses that as a good thing, the moratorium that ends, right?

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And then what we've been done is mapped out where they can and can't go and the parameters

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of what they have to have and not have.

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And so that's one of the reasons why I have not looked at anything that's around regulation

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because I want a full band.

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And regulation is windowed dressing.

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A band is where I want to be.

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And so, I'm not doing anything that's comprehensive, I just want to do the moratorium, stop Gap for what's moving as I continue to advocate for a full ban.

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Okay, so any comments from our committee?

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If not, and motion to move everyone, draft to?

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Second. All right. Draft 2A. As of been a motion and a second. Can we please call the roll.

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Chair Bougay. I. Councilmember Adam Stafford. Councilmember

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Danoga. Councilmember Olson. Aye. Vice Chair Royada. Aye. Motion carries 5-0. All right.

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Thank you.

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Now moving on to CB-76, and I'll turn it over to Ms. Heishauer.

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Yes.

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Track one of this bill creates a faster track for certain commercial projects in transit-oriented

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areas that meet specific location and mix-use criteria and are not seeking to have variances.

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The bill and the amendment, excuse me, the bill in the agenda item summary can be found on pages 39 through 46.

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Ms. Creganu is here and can provide a fiscal and policy overview of the legislation.

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But I did want to tell the committee that there is a proposed draft to of the bill, which is all located on pages 70 through 75.

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The planning board voted to take no position on this bill, and their staff are hearing, can explain that.

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I would like to ask Madam Chair if she would like to have the bill sponsored speak, or if she would like to defer to Mr.

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Hamlin for amendments.

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Let the bill sponsor speak first.

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Thank you.

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So colleagues, as many know, I've been working really around how to see meaningful development.

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in parts of the community where we really want to see it.

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You know, we have this conversation around how we don't want to see sprawl,

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00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,700
how we don't want to see development in areas where the infrastructure does not make sense

438
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:05,040
for the level of development that we're seeing.

439
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:08,900
And then we also know that there are certain areas in the county that,

440
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:11,460
even though they're prime in the sense for development,

441
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:16,080
that they're central to metro stations like a lot of the properties inside the beltway

442
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,720
in my district, they're not as attractive as some areas to develop.

443
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:27,120
And so I've really been trying to work around, how can we attract the development we want

444
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,200
in the communities that we actually want them to be in.

445
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:38,040
And so I've been working on this piece of legislation for a little over a year, I want to thank

446
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:43,300
Councilmember Denogue and some others that have looked at variations of the legislation.

447
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:53,440
And I'm hopeful that we can get there because there are parts of the county that are not getting the development that they need.

448
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:59,000
But then I also hear my colleagues where I know there's parts of their districts where they're being overdeveloped.

449
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,920
My goal is to have a balance where we're not stifling development period because some communities are developed and harming most of the predominantly communities of color and lower economic areas where they really do need an investment in development. And instead we incentivize the development to actually take place there. So that's the attempt of this legislation and others that I'm working on. And my hope is that I can

450
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,300
and have the support of this body in doing so.

451
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:34,020
Thank you.

452
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,580
Thank you so much.

453
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:42,060
Now we will turn over to staff to go over and limit.

454
00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:44,000
Okay, thank you.

455
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,140
So, draft one of the bill, it was reviewed.

456
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,000
Planning staff had made some recommendations

457
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,060
in their staff report.

458
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,240
There were some concerns expressed by council members

459
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:56,560
about certain provisions.

460
00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:58,560
And a draft two is an attempt to address

461
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Both planning staffs recommended technical amendments and the concerns that were expressed by council members

462
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:14,000
Just that the key points are that it shifts to add and this is on page two at the very top a

463
00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:19,640
specific definition for this this type of project a commercial reinvestment and innovation project

464
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:26,220
Substantively, it's the same as the language which was originally included in the provisions

465
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:33,460
conditions for the applicability, but a planning staff made that recommendation.

466
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,840
We concur, and we put it in there, a couple of other recommendations in the planning staff

467
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,980
report regarding language and sentence structure and things like that were incorporated into

468
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:45,240
that definition as well.

469
00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:53,880
The sort of second issue that's addressed is it, and this is also on page 2, but down like

470
00:41:53,880 --> 00:42:03,240
lines 23 to 30. There was an existing problem with the language in the code that didn't

471
00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:13,240
separate the sort of locational requirements and the structural requirements. And so this

472
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:23,860
new language basically for the existing ETOD projects that fixes that issue.

473
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:27,510
Finally,

474
00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:35,880
there, you will have some, an amendment sheet I think that's been distributed that

475
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:43,360
addresses a couple legal concerns and one, just oversight on the drafting side of things.

476
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:50,920
This proposed amendment sheet would remove language in the bill that provides that if the

477
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,580
The District Council doesn't act on an appeal within 28 days that the Planning Board's

478
00:42:56,580 --> 00:42:58,000
decision is deemed affirmed.

479
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:07,980
That's a legal issue, and it will add language to account for the periods of recess when

480
00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:12,780
it comes to the timelines that are required to be followed by adding that the months of

481
00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:16,240
August and December should not be considered for the purpose of calculating time.

482
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,080
I think that pretty much covers that.

483
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:29,720
All right. Thank you. We do have one person on the speaker's list. We have John Robinson on the speaker's list.

484
00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:36,120
Yes.

485
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:44,400
I have concerns about things that accelerate. I certainly understand the desire to have a good development and

486
00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:48,260
redevelopment where it's needed in the county.

487
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,380
I'd like to suggest that there may be alternative models to

488
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:59,960
to, you know, these efforts at acceleration, and instead of waiting for developers to

489
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:04,580
come in and propose something that will provide them the maximum profit, you could look

490
00:44:04,580 --> 00:44:08,640
at situations like, for example, how they handle it in Finland.

491
00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:17,420
There, they have experts come in and design an area, you know, I have it to be familiar

492
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:19,600
with it because I was married to a Finn for 19 years.

493
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:28,160
They come in and design like a whole downtown or something like that, and then they have the

494
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:34,760
developers and contractors come in and make proposals as to how they're going to implement

495
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:40,120
the design that has been focused on what the community needs and what the people need

496
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,060
as opposed to what will generate a profit for the developers.

497
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:48,600
and I think that might be a better model for meeting the long-term needs of

498
00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:53,040
prestigious county and the communities that want to see redevelopment.

499
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,540
Thank you.

500
00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:57,480
Thank you so much.

501
00:44:58,260 --> 00:44:59,900
Do we have any comments from committee members?

502
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,940
Questions? A few questions about the bill, not necessarily about the amendment. Is that okay now? So this changes to 15 days, I guess, is that right? But then I see the 28 calendar days. So it shortens the amount of time that residents have to appeal this to 15 days from what, from how many days?

503
00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:38,840
I believe it's 30 for the standard ETOD, and this is 15 business days.

504
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,180
15 business days.

505
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:42,260
And 30 is the current.

506
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,000
Yeah.

507
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:50,600
And it will say that for non, you know, for ETOD expedited projects that don't meet this definition.

508
00:45:51,740 --> 00:45:52,020
Okay.

509
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:56,160
And then in

510
00:45:58,460 --> 00:46:11,200
terms of the sites, this includes everything that's in a regional transit district or local transit center in the general plan.

511
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:23,760
And then I see in the technical staff report, this expands it, I assume they're not already designated as either regional transit or local transit center.

512
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,140
include Southern Avenue Metro, Mercury, Mark, Sebrick Mark, Riverdale Mark, Booyee Mark,

513
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,720
and then the purple line stops.

514
00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:40,640
So those are being added to, well, they're being included in this, where even though

515
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:46,740
they're not currently designated a regional transit district or local transit center, is

516
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:47,060
that correct?

517
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:49,990
I'm sorry.

518
00:46:50,350 --> 00:46:52,950
I'm looking to Josh, but yeah, whoever wants to answer that.

519
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:01,620
Yes, sir, I'm reviewing the revised definition and we do appreciate the council's consideration

520
00:47:01,620 --> 00:47:07,040
for planning board comments on adding a definition for this important initiative and use.

521
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:14,400
I do see on page two, lines seven through eight that the added language here would include

522
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,780
any constructed heavy or light rail transit stations, so that would include the mark stations

523
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:23,400
that exist in a county and the purple line stations that will soon be operational and

524
00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:31,980
I'm sorry, and I have looked at the bill but not with the fine tooth comb.

525
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:40,520
So forgive me, is the reduction from 30 days to 15 days, the only major change in this?

526
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,340
Or is there other major changes in this, whoever

527
00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:52,270
wants to answer that?

528
00:47:52,270 --> 00:47:58,870
I mean, with regards to the appeal process, it eliminates the call-up as well.

529
00:47:59,250 --> 00:48:02,070
It's just by a petition appeal.

530
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:09,850
It eliminates the call-up and a short count of numbers wouldn't have the ability to call-up, it wouldn't.

531
00:48:09,850 --> 00:48:16,830
So under this bill, council members would not be able to call-up projects if they're within near transit.

532
00:48:17,830 --> 00:48:19,790
As it's drafted, that's what it is.

533
00:48:19,790 --> 00:48:25,910
Yeah, that's, to me, that's a concern, Madam Chair, that's a concern to me.

534
00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:36,050
Yes, you know, for me, I, I know many of my colleagues in how they fill about the call of option.

535
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:47,810
I do feel like they're, and I've always had this feeling there should be a balance when we know that there's projects that are approved because it's not any project that's built there, right?

536
00:48:47,810 --> 00:48:56,010
It's only projects that are deemed to be a priority project, not anything that's developed

537
00:48:56,010 --> 00:49:03,970
in the transit oriented space that we create a faster process and that a process with

538
00:49:03,970 --> 00:49:04,610
more certainty.

539
00:49:04,610 --> 00:49:06,530
That is my personal feeling.

540
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:14,890
I tend not to call up projects, but I do understand it's an important tool to have, but I think

541
00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:24,610
the balances that are there certain projects and the right location that meet the right standards

542
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:34,790
that we can know don't need to have that. That's the question. I personally think that

543
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:40,870
we should get there but that's just where I am. So I tend not to call up projects either but it's

544
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:44,810
because developers know that I have the ability to call them up and they do it the right way.

545
00:49:44,890 --> 00:49:46,570
Okay, so I don't have to call them.

546
00:49:47,330 --> 00:49:52,430
Can I ask a clarifying question because I think you explained this before, Madam Chair.

547
00:49:52,830 --> 00:49:59,770
You were saying there were specific instances where there are specific templates.

548
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,900
That are going to be the same no matter what. I feel like when we when I talked about this, like over the course of the last year, I'm trying to think of an example, but it's escaping me right now, but it's something that won't have much variance. Like something that if the template is followed, there wouldn't be much variance on what, what could be built. And I think it's because I know remember when we were talking about that, which I wanted to do where we could create a process where we had template options for certain types of

549
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:35,620
businesses, specifically in restaurants, so that they can follow a certain format, and

550
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:40,900
it can be fast. We weren't able to pass that at the time. But with this legislation,

551
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:49,800
it's looking at, so for example, if I know that there's a medical facility just throwing

552
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:56,020
a random thing out there, that we knew we needed it, we knew we needed it here, it made sense

553
00:50:56,020 --> 00:51:02,260
at a metro station and had all the qualifications, is there any type of mechanism where we can

554
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:12,320
say this is the right development in the right place where we want it that will have a

555
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:20,480
faster track process and more certainty to develop and that's what we'll have to decide

556
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:27,640
as a body because I know especially the call-up feature for council members is a

557
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:37,380
hot topic. I do feel like there's a balance between the two. That's what I'm

558
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:42,800
trying to strike. I believe it's important to have which is why I didn't say

559
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,810
let's just get rid of it everywhere for everything at any time. But the question is

560
00:51:46,810 --> 00:51:54,930
Is it, do we feel like there's times where development can have more certainty and that's

561
00:51:54,930 --> 00:52:00,190
a question that we have to desire and I guess what I'm wondering is if we could maybe

562
00:52:00,190 --> 00:52:05,410
work on developing a set of categories as you mentioned, like maybe perhaps depending

563
00:52:05,410 --> 00:52:08,930
on like the health atlas, like we would have a rubric to judge it against.

564
00:52:09,350 --> 00:52:16,690
So for example, if the project meets the standards of the mapped health atlas and falls in a

565
00:52:16,690 --> 00:52:19,310
T-O-D zone, then it doesn't need a call-up.

566
00:52:19,610 --> 00:52:21,730
Like to your medical example, right?

567
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:24,530
So something that it's very clear,

568
00:52:25,150 --> 00:52:29,030
this fits with the general plan of the region.

569
00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:32,530
And this is something that we've well researched

570
00:52:32,530 --> 00:52:33,710
needs to go here.

571
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:36,370
Then if we could just spend some time

572
00:52:36,370 --> 00:52:39,090
maybe defining some of those categories of parameters,

573
00:52:39,370 --> 00:52:40,470
I think this would be great.

574
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,560
And then only can you explain to me,

575
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:52,020
where is the call up because I agree I have called up things so I would say I

576
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:58,160
have and I had because I had developers that were unwilling to listen to me

577
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:05,180
in the community so the call up was necessary and frankly effective so I

578
00:53:05,180 --> 00:53:11,040
would say that and I think it makes sense in a general sense but that's why it's

579
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,480
for projects, the types of projects

580
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,600
that want to see where we want to see them.

581
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:19,400
I think that is the nuanced difference.

582
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,220
Now, what do you mean approved?

583
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:24,920
So how do we determine that somebody?

584
00:53:25,620 --> 00:53:28,340
Because they would go to be this type of project.

585
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,560
What type of project?

586
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:38,660
So to have what's we call, thank you, commercial reinvesting.

587
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:42,580
Okay, so only commercial reinvestment, there's no call up.

588
00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:47,340
And for any project, what's the definition here?

589
00:53:47,340 --> 00:53:49,960
Anywhere commercial reinvestment.

590
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,560
I'll make sure I'm laying the right draft.

591
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,200
Because I like the adjusted one.

592
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,680
Because it said transit oriented, which also,

593
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,640
because transit oriented is pretty broad.

594
00:53:59,060 --> 00:54:00,830
But if it says in certain protected areas.

595
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,040
I want to make sure I'm laying the right definition.

596
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:10,310
Yeah, the definition is at the top of page two.

597
00:54:10,310 --> 00:54:13,550
And it includes the sort of locational requirements that are already discussed.

598
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:24,650
It's in a regional transit district, local transit center, any part of which is within a quarter mile radius of a constructed heavier light rail transit station.

599
00:54:25,090 --> 00:54:39,410
And then there's the building requirements, at least 50% of its total building square footage is at least five stories height and height at least 60 feet above grade contains a mix of uses in the commercial principal use.

600
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:45,830
classification and multi-family dwelling and that excludes uses in the industrial

601
00:54:45,830 --> 00:54:51,050
principal use as well as townhouses single family. So it's basically I think

602
00:54:51,050 --> 00:54:59,070
got a particular type of high density mix use. And it can be like towns.

603
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,820
I'm open to expanding the definition and qualifications.

604
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:10,460
So that's not something I'm against.

605
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:20,800
And I would just say this, I mean, I was represented for LARGO, right? And LARGO will be included in this. And there was some things in LARGO that I had to call up.

606
00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:26,840
So I don't, I mean, I don't know, but it would have to be so, it's not just transit

607
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,100
oriented, it has to be sort of multifamily units.

608
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:37,160
Yeah, and five stories high, you know, a bunch of those things.

609
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:40,540
So I think the intention is for these people to build on some of those.

610
00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:57,500
I can say to Madam Chair, I really, and we spoke, I really appreciate looking to try

611
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:04,380
to get expedited, you know, at our transit-oriented areas, and then that's what I've done my whole

612
00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:05,040
time.

613
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:29,460
And I work on that and under the current rules and I want to support you in your areas to make sure that your areas can get the same kind of, if you feel like this is a tool that you need in the areas that you represent, you know, I'm willing to work with you on that obviously.

614
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:37,540
I know this includes areas that are in my district that I would not be comfortable with

615
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:38,440
having in there.

616
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,080
And I do think the call-up provision is important.

617
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,640
I wouldn't impose that on your district if that's not what you want, you know, I respect

618
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:47,960
that.

619
00:56:51,860 --> 00:56:53,980
So I think there's a way through this.

620
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:59,580
I just don't know exactly what the amendments would be right now to do that.

621
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:02,020
I'd be happy to work with you on that.

622
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,920
Madam Chair, if I may.

623
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,020
Madam committee chair.

624
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,640
For the record chat, Williams of Park and Planning, I do need to make a correction

625
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,500
from my prior comments in response to Council Member Olson.

626
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:19,040
My initial inclination when you asked the question, Council Member, was no.

627
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,920
And I should have stuck with that instinct.

628
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,600
I wrote a staff report for this, so I was remembering a staff report, but as you know,

629
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,980
there's been a lot of bills floating around.

630
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:33,920
The language, the combination of lines five and six and seven and eight on page two

631
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:41,060
and a proposed definition means that the constructed heavier late rail station must also be a regional

632
00:57:41,060 --> 00:57:43,160
transit district or local transit center.

633
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,860
And the station areas that were identified, most purple line stations, as you know, are

634
00:57:47,860 --> 00:57:50,860
are not regional transit, local transit centers.

635
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:52,460
They are neighborhood centers.

636
00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:52,920
Right.

637
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,920
Southern Avenue is also a neighborhood center.

638
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,420
So the quickest solution would be to strike end

639
00:58:00,420 --> 00:58:02,920
at the end of line six, if you consider amendments,

640
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:04,820
and replace it with the word or.

641
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:08,000
There are other solutions that we can discuss,

642
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,040
but that would be the quick and simple solution.

643
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,240
I'm sorry, I'm page four.

644
00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:12,580
I'm page two.

645
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:14,440
I'm sorry, I'm page two.

646
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,720
In the definition on line six.

647
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:17,780
6, 6.

648
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,920
You would strike the term N at the end of the line and replace it with OR.

649
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,900
I'm sorry, on line 6, sir.

650
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,360
Line 6, N's, the line is, this is in proposed draft 2, I'm sorry, I shouldn't be doing that.

651
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,080
Oh, I'm sorry, I have draft 1 in front of me.

652
00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:37,620
Thank you, thank you.

653
00:58:38,340 --> 00:58:38,700
Thank you.

654
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:39,920
Oh, you already did this.

655
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:40,140
Okay.

656
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,940
So you would say in an area, it designated as a regional transit district or local transit center in the general plan,

657
00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:54,240
or their equivalents in any successor general plan, or any part of which is within a one-quarter mile radius.

658
00:58:55,120 --> 00:59:00,140
I would probably say any part in which the property is located within, just for clarity.

659
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:07,740
Okay, so my question then is at the Adelphi Road UMGC, UMD purple line stop, let's just use that as an example.

660
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,920
Would that fall under this bill or not?

661
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:17,440
As the bill is currently worded and proposed draft to, it will not.

662
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,600
I'm sorry, say that, please again.

663
00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:25,580
As the bill is currently worded and proposed draft to, as the definition is currently worded, it will not.

664
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:31,820
It would not, I believe it is a designated neighborhood center if I recall correctly, it was not absent.

665
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:38,100
You would probably know more than me if the Delphi plan reclassified it to a local transit district.

666
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:41,140
I don't remember, honestly, off the top of my head, I do not remember.

667
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,320
I think Laura is going to peachy atlas while we discuss this issue.

668
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,520
But if you changed it to Orr, it would have done fine.

669
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,780
It would be included to be expedited.

670
00:59:55,540 --> 00:59:56,220
Correct, sir.

671
00:59:56,220 --> 00:59:57,800
I don't want any of them.

672
00:59:58,340 --> 00:59:59,960
And again, there are many ways.

673
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,040
Is to word this, but if you're looking for something quick and simple, that would include your purple line stations throughout the county. I'm not looking, yeah, I'm not looking to put the order in there then. Okay. So that's one example, right? But we have one example. We have a lot of line stations and multiple council members. Is it the desire of other council members to add purple line stations, remove purple line stations? I don't have a.

674
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:40,100
a desire to add the purple station, I mean to my colleagues point that he said, you

675
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:43,500
know, his metro stations are very well developed.

676
01:00:45,020 --> 01:00:52,090
I will say economic and democratically look different under the rules.

677
01:00:52,350 --> 01:00:57,170
I just, I don't want us to trivialize that since those areas were developed under the

678
01:00:57,170 --> 01:01:04,610
rules that there is not like redlining racism and things that economically have impacted

679
01:01:04,610 --> 01:01:08,830
and racial things that have impacted where development happens.

680
01:01:09,810 --> 01:01:17,310
But to say all that, I mean, I'm not looking to force it into someone else's district,

681
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:21,710
but I just want to make sure I say for the record that I'm very sure that there's going to

682
01:01:21,710 --> 01:01:25,390
be certain parts of the county that can develop under these rules because those businesses want

683
01:01:25,390 --> 01:01:25,950
to go there.

684
01:01:25,950 --> 01:01:31,610
they want to go there because of where your district looks and they want to go

685
01:01:31,610 --> 01:01:36,730
there because of the financial situation of your district and that is not the

686
01:01:36,730 --> 01:01:41,430
same in my district. So I just want to make sure that I clearly state that

687
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:47,590
difference. Sure and I'm happy to work with you on this or something that works for

688
01:01:47,590 --> 01:01:51,990
your district as well as my district and you know for the whole county therefore

689
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:55,550
it works the whole county so we're on the same page. We have an answer to

690
01:01:55,550 --> 01:01:56,170
Mr. Olson.

691
01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:56,830
Yes.

692
01:01:57,110 --> 01:02:02,230
The Delphi sector plan did upgrade the center classification to regional transit center.

693
01:02:02,690 --> 01:02:08,070
So it is, so it is a regional transit center councilmember Olson.

694
01:02:08,330 --> 01:02:08,470
Yeah.

695
01:02:08,770 --> 01:02:10,250
It's not a regional transit district.

696
01:02:10,450 --> 01:02:14,250
It's a local transit center, but it is inclusive under subsection one.

697
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:15,910
Thank you for clarification, Mar.

698
01:02:16,030 --> 01:02:21,070
So under the current draft two, it would be included.

699
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:21,870
It is still included.

700
01:02:22,490 --> 01:02:23,030
Yes, ma'am.

701
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:49,010
And since I had to make just two minor grammatical typographical revisions to consider, on that same page, line 25, it states the proposed development consisting of at least one building, I think shall consist of at least one building is probably a better, a clearer clause for staff to work with when we're reviewing these and making recommendations.

702
01:02:49,010 --> 01:02:58,530
And on page three, line 23, where you start to see the appellate procedures, it's unclear

703
01:02:58,530 --> 01:03:01,070
what the term special appeal may mean.

704
01:03:01,570 --> 01:03:06,130
So you may want to just leave this as appeal procedures for commercial reinvestment

705
01:03:06,130 --> 01:03:07,090
innovation projects.

706
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:09,940
Okay.

707
01:03:13,660 --> 01:03:20,900
Is there a way to, maybe this is an offline conversation, but I know you, so I want to

708
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:35,700
I don't know where the sense of the committee is, but is there a way, there's always a way to exclude certain areas from this?

709
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:46,220
Not at this table at this moment, even if they're designated as regional transit sector, or local transit center.

710
01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:56,120
Not in here now, this would be an offline conversation if the sponsor and the committee's desire were to hold the bill for a few days.

711
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:10,900
Or it could pass, you know, the other option, and I know it's putting pressure on all of us, but I want to work with the chair, is, you know, that we could have before introduction, it could have amendments.

712
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:15,440
If that's possible, I mean, I'm trying to work with your manager.

713
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:24,500
I'm open to either to either Monday or yeah, I think we can get everything done by Monday.

714
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:32,440
I think that we have everything set all of the changes done and then that way we can add it to the agenda on Monday and get it passed then.

715
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:37,360
I just want to ask the question, is local activity center part of it?

716
01:04:38,740 --> 01:04:39,960
I just want to make sure it's not.

717
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,040
No, local attorney.

718
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:42,740
Okay, thank you.

719
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:48,420
Councilmember Dan Algood.

720
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:53,860
Yeah, I just want to say that when you look at the general plan, it gets very confusing

721
01:04:53,860 --> 01:04:58,300
as to what the title is for the different types of transit centers.

722
01:04:58,300 --> 01:04:58,540
Thank you very much.

723
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:12,800
How many categories are there must be like seven or eight different categories? Five. Five. I think it's important that everybody get a copy of that page or two pages that the breaks out, which, which centers are under which category.

724
01:05:15,860 --> 01:05:21,760
Yeah, but I think I think my colleagues probably haven't looked at that in a while. So it's important that they see that.

725
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:31,970
Right. So I think we're, we do a motion to hold to Monday. Motion to hold to Monday.

726
01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:32,050
Okay.

727
01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:32,570
Second.

728
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:33,710
Right.

729
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:35,010
Can we please call the roll?

730
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:36,510
Chair Belgae.

731
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:37,190
Aye.

732
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:39,110
Council Member Adam Stafford.

733
01:05:40,070 --> 01:05:41,430
Council Member Denoga.

734
01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:43,570
Council Member Olsen.

735
01:05:43,810 --> 01:05:43,950
Aye.

736
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:45,370
Vice Chair Ouyaga.

737
01:05:45,730 --> 01:05:45,850
Aye.

738
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:47,370
Motion carries 5-0.

739
01:05:52,220 --> 01:05:52,640
All right.

740
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:53,280
Thank you.

741
01:05:53,480 --> 01:06:01,880
So the next bill on the agenda is a CB-77, and I'm turning over to Ms. High's power.

742
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:12,400
Yes Madam Chair, this bill allows the reuse of commercial buildings and residential single family in the residential single family attach zone.

743
01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:21,880
It permits restaurants and existing buildings without expanding their footprint while assessing their traffic impact and neighborhood character.

744
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:29,540
It also allows certain places of worship under specific standards considering their suitability

745
01:06:29,540 --> 01:06:32,080
and effects on nearby properties.

746
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,740
The bill and the agenda item summary on pages 76 through 84.

747
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:43,760
Ms. Ganyu is here again if you would like to have a fiscal and policy impact overview.

748
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,960
The planning board voted to oppose this bill,

749
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,760
their letter and technical staff reporter on pages 86 to 99,

750
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,260
as well as we know that their staff are here and can explain.

751
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,560
That concludes my overview, Madam Chair.

752
01:07:00,740 --> 01:07:01,100
Thank you.

753
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,400
All right, thank you, and I'll turn it over to Bill Sponsor.

754
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:06,580
Thank you.

755
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:13,020
This is another piece of legislation that I've been working on for a while now.

756
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:17,000
For some unique issues that we sometimes see in the county,

757
01:07:18,220 --> 01:07:21,260
where we have spaces that are existing,

758
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,980
developments could be commercial spaces that currently exist.

759
01:07:27,380 --> 01:07:29,720
And then when they go to redevelop,

760
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,920
they run into some problems because of maybe how they're zoned.

761
01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:39,460
And we know that that's a very expensive process that change.

762
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:59,280
So we were trying to look at what are some things that we could offer to make it easier for existing properties that have these commercial uses that are trying to expand to bring the type of things you want to see like restaurants that are not don't have a drive through child care facilities, etc.

763
01:08:00,340 --> 01:08:07,300
to those communities with and do it in a way that is not a cost burden.

764
01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:14,200
So I know that there are developments in my district that would be greatly impacted

765
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,820
by being able to have this type of flexibility.

766
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:23,620
So that's the impotence of the legislation and hope to have the body support.

767
01:08:25,870 --> 01:08:27,410
All right, thank you so much.

768
01:08:27,970 --> 01:08:32,210
And we don't have any speakers, so do we have any questions from the committee?

769
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,700
I'd like to make a motion.

770
01:08:39,340 --> 01:08:40,600
A little question, I'm sorry.

771
01:08:44,820 --> 01:08:50,300
So I know this, do we know how many properties this was to?

772
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:58,870
Park and planning, do we know, do we have a?

773
01:09:03,190 --> 01:09:05,230
I mean, it's probably not many.

774
01:09:05,790 --> 01:09:15,140
Right. I mean, it's, I mean, I'm guessing that it's not many, but I'm just interested if we, we know

775
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:21,910
there's no map in the folder.

776
01:09:23,950 --> 01:09:30,770
So, again, for the record chat, Williams, the planning director's office maintains a legislative tracking folder.

777
01:09:31,130 --> 01:09:37,690
And I do not see any map present in this folder, so it doesn't look like that we requested a map for this particular bill.

778
01:09:37,690 --> 01:09:44,090
Would it madam chair would it? I mean I'm willing to get this out of committee, but could we maybe get a map before

779
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:48,510
Introduction sure just so we have some information and yeah

780
01:10:08,510 --> 01:10:26,390
Okay. I'm willing to, you know, pass it on a committee. I just, you know, if we can get some more information, I mean, just, I expect it's fine, but I really would just like to see that. All right. Thank you. Do we have a motion? I'm Councilmember Zanogo.

781
01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:43,180
I had a problem with the development like this many years ago in college part, where there was an old corner store.

782
01:10:43,180 --> 01:10:49,780
type of facility that had residential over top and laundry underneath, and I forget how

783
01:10:49,780 --> 01:10:53,260
it was zone, we had to go to tax amendment to try to deal with it because they needed

784
01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:59,000
to be redeveloped. And there wasn't any logical way to deal with this. I think this is similar

785
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:04,460
where you have a longstanding commercial uses in the zone that's RSFA.

786
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,260
So looking at the

787
01:11:08,260 --> 01:11:16,340
bill. I know in the past that Park and Plain have pointed out that on page 6,

788
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:21,420
where

789
01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:27,640
it has the, I'll call it the standards, the requirements. You put a church, it talks

790
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:35,880
about suitable proposed place of worship, a restaurant, it talks about synonymously affect

791
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:43,160
the character of the neighboring properties because this would be a not a special exception

792
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:44,760
but go straight to building permit.

793
01:11:46,220 --> 01:11:53,560
I know deep behind the past, they don't make those decisions, so that potentially creates

794
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,160
a problem.

795
01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:57,280
My question is, can we change this?

796
01:11:58,540 --> 01:12:05,580
This type of use is basically a commercial, like much of the rate.

797
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:18,640
The CS or formally CSC, can we just impose for this, because this is for an existing building that has commercial uses that just finds itself in the wrong zone.

798
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:25,300
Can we just impose whatever the best commercial standards are and go with that?

799
01:12:34,260 --> 01:12:37,520
I mean, is David Warner, principal counsel for the commission?

800
01:12:38,260 --> 01:12:45,000
You're right that when a use is permitted and it comes to DePie and comes to us for recommendation on a permit,

801
01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:52,240
our permit staff will look and go like, well, we don't really know how to decide if something is going to have.

802
01:12:52,980 --> 01:12:57,440
You know, we have to take into consideration the character of the surrounding properties.

803
01:12:58,260 --> 01:13:00,780
They're not in a position to do that.

804
01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:02,820
So that does make it difficult when you have this.

805
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:09,960
So if you have some standards that would allow for the development that's proposed that

806
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,960
isn't so general, it's going to be easier to go through permit.

807
01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:17,960
So if it is a standard that says something, for example, as long as it meets the requirements

808
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,980
of a typical CS zone, it's fine.

809
01:13:21,860 --> 01:13:23,460
That makes it easier on the permit.

810
01:13:23,460 --> 01:13:26,280
It's the appropriate only thing.

811
01:13:26,460 --> 01:13:27,140
I don't know.

812
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:28,440
What do you guys think?

813
01:13:28,860 --> 01:13:29,860
What was the question, sir?

814
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,480
If they wanted to add standards to this bill,

815
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,700
just to make it very easy for permits

816
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:37,840
to approve the permit when it comes through,

817
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:40,980
instead of just having them analyze

818
01:13:40,980 --> 01:13:43,800
whether the character of the surrounding properties is affected,

819
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:49,200
what would be the criteria for a typical type of use like this

820
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,540
that's reusing a commercial development

821
01:13:52,540 --> 01:13:57,640
that's, you know, no longer you being used for whatever it was used before, you know,

822
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:04,360
a supermarket or a car, auto, a lot or something. But, you know, what would be the kind of zone

823
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:11,900
that procedures that would be appropriate for that? I mean, to the extent that we may have any kind of

824
01:14:13,420 --> 01:14:19,780
restaurant use design standards, regulatory standards, operational standards in a CGO zone,

825
01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:21,200
That would be fine.

826
01:14:21,380 --> 01:14:27,600
What I don't recall off the top of my head is whether such exists, but a restaurant within

827
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:33,040
any zone is akin to a restaurant in any other zone in terms of its operation.

828
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:39,540
So from that perspective, operation design, you would look at whatever we have in the

829
01:14:39,540 --> 01:14:45,240
current ordinance and we would want to go and just take a look at that and get back to you all on that issue.

830
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:52,480
So, with a consideration that we might recommend that if you want this use in the RSFA zone,

831
01:14:52,780 --> 01:14:59,480
there might be some compatibility elements to the design of the and operation of this use.

832
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,940
All this is for one acre or less. So I think this reminds me of the College Park situation where it was just a tiny little building in the middle of a residential area that had always been commercial. So if we're thinking in those terms. Well, when I think one acre or less, I think that the majority of restaurants operating in Prince George's County, if not all of them are on less than an acre land. There is. And I apologize. I am certainly not trying to be a Debbie down.

833
01:15:29,940 --> 01:15:39,800
But there is an unintended consequence that I see with this bill in replacing the X with the P and the RSFA zone.

834
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:49,600
The use specific standards are explicit for restaurants to preclude any drive-through, which is fine.

835
01:15:50,420 --> 01:15:57,260
However, it is silent as to the alcohol production facility's small-scale, the shared commercial kitchen as well.

836
01:15:57,260 --> 01:16:02,700
So by making this from X to P, those uses will be permitted in the RSFA zone.

837
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:12,280
Because you'll get back to the council chair as to the appropriate reference CGO or CS.

838
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:20,060
We will go back and investigate whether we have such standards that are applicable to restaurants and get back to Choroyata.

839
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:30,120
And in my opinion, David, one principle council, if you pass this out of committee, those do not sound like the type of substantive changes that you can't make after you got them out of committee.

840
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,800
many of these are disclarefications.

841
01:16:33,460 --> 01:16:35,680
I'd like to make a motion to move everyone.

842
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:37,500
Second.

843
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:41,810
All right.

844
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:42,430
I'm sorry.

845
01:16:42,570 --> 01:16:43,350
Please call the roll.

846
01:16:44,050 --> 01:16:44,650
Chair Begay.

847
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:45,390
I.

848
01:16:45,850 --> 01:16:47,110
Council Member Adam Stafford.

849
01:16:47,570 --> 01:16:47,730
Aye.

850
01:16:48,290 --> 01:16:49,250
Council Member Denogra.

851
01:16:49,390 --> 01:16:49,590
All right.

852
01:16:49,930 --> 01:16:50,830
Council Member Olson.

853
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:52,350
Vice Chair Oriada.

854
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:53,590
Aye.

855
01:16:54,010 --> 01:16:54,870
Motion carries five.

856
01:16:55,070 --> 01:16:55,810
All right.

857
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:59,790
Madam Chair, I'd like to make sure that we were moving.

858
01:17:00,270 --> 01:17:00,570
Yes.

859
01:17:00,710 --> 01:17:01,110
That's correct.

860
01:17:01,110 --> 01:17:01,650
That's favorable.

861
01:17:01,930 --> 01:17:03,210
I apologize for speaking.

862
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:05,010
Thank you so much.

863
01:17:05,250 --> 01:17:05,530
All right.

864
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:09,010
So we can move, um, extra.

865
01:17:09,170 --> 01:17:10,170
I'm just trying to get to that.

866
01:17:10,270 --> 01:17:10,970
Yeah, because I know.

867
01:17:11,310 --> 01:17:12,570
CB 82.

868
01:17:13,710 --> 01:17:15,490
Um, and try another to miss.

869
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:16,010
High tower.

870
01:17:16,330 --> 01:17:19,630
This bill amends the zoning order to comply with state law.

871
01:17:19,770 --> 01:17:26,030
It requires cannabis dispensaries or cannabis micro dispensaries to be at least 500 feet

872
01:17:26,030 --> 01:17:32,770
from a place of worship, and any pre-existing playgrounds, recreation centers, libraries,

873
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:34,730
and public parks.

874
01:17:35,190 --> 01:17:40,250
The bill is on pages 149 through 154, Ms. Gan, you is here.

875
01:17:40,710 --> 01:17:46,210
Again, if you would like to provide a fiscal and policy overview, the planning board voted

876
01:17:46,210 --> 01:17:51,390
to support this bill, and that is all I have, Madam Chair.

877
01:17:52,050 --> 01:17:52,170
Thank you.

878
01:17:52,170 --> 01:17:52,330
All right.

879
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:54,050
Turn it over to Bill Sponsor.

880
01:17:56,730 --> 01:17:58,830
Yep, this is just clerical in nature.

881
01:17:59,090 --> 01:18:01,350
Something we needed to pass me along with the state.

882
01:18:04,100 --> 01:18:04,540
Thank you.

883
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,080
Any comments from our colleagues?

884
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:08,800
Any motion on the floor?

885
01:18:10,060 --> 01:18:10,640
Motion moved.

886
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:11,120
Motion moved favourable.

887
01:18:11,180 --> 01:18:11,400
Second.

888
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,640
All right, we have a motion in a second.

889
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:15,020
Okay, please call the roll.

890
01:18:16,540 --> 01:18:17,340
Chair blue gay.

891
01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:17,960
Aye.

892
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:19,680
Council member Adam Stafford.

893
01:18:20,540 --> 01:18:21,460
Council member Danoga.

894
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:23,180
Council member Olson.

895
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:23,700
Aye.

896
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:24,720
Vice Chair Yada.

897
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,340
motion carries 5-0.

898
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,800
All right. Next on the agenda is CB-84.

899
01:18:34,060 --> 01:18:35,440
Did we do 84 already?

900
01:18:37,380 --> 01:18:38,760
Can I turn over to Ms. Asawa?

901
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,200
I'm on 84.

902
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,980
No one is concerning streamlining site plan.

903
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:45,820
83.

904
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:46,940
Right.

905
01:18:50,420 --> 01:18:52,280
No, I thought that's a bad problem.

906
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:53,800
The convenience was, I thought we skipped.

907
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,800
Well, 89 is what we need to know.

908
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:57,540
Got it. Okay, CB 83.

909
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:03,100
We are AB 3 and ordinance concerning convenience stores to back up product sales.

910
01:19:03,780 --> 01:19:22,420
Yes ma'am, this bill amends zoning ordinance transitional provisions to prohibit food or beverage stores under the prior zoning ordinance and amends the definition for an existing convenience store to prohibit convenience stores from selling tobacco and tobacco related products.

911
01:19:22,420 --> 01:19:26,780
The bill also includes an amortization period for

912
01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:35,980
impact existing places, and allows them to allow them to adjust to the new requirements of this bill.

913
01:19:37,290 --> 01:19:42,020
The bill and the summary on pages 168 through 174.

914
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:47,480
Again, we have Ms. Ganyu here who can provide you with a fiscal and policy overview.

915
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:51,760
the planning board voted to take no position on this bill with amendments.

916
01:19:52,780 --> 01:19:58,260
There are or were three people here signed up to speak at this time.

917
01:19:58,940 --> 01:19:59,960
Madam Chair.

918
01:20:01,740 --> 01:20:31,060
All right, concludes. Thank you so much and turn it over to our bill sponsor. Thank you. As many of my colleagues know, the issue with tobacco stores is one that I have been fighting around for probably the last four years that I've served in this body. As many know, we have such a over saturation.

919
01:20:31,060 --> 01:20:53,480
of these 20 bar tobacco stores on every corner in certain communities where there's this really known strip in my district where there's four of them all right next to each other, and then two liquor stores across the street.

920
01:20:53,480 --> 01:21:16,320
And we and many of my colleagues joined me in passing different legislation that where we would try to constantly address some of the loopholes that they would constantly find to open up and those have not been working, they're continuing to open up and they're not slowing down.

921
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:45,600
As many of you know, I passed the moratorium that didn't allow any more to get permits in district seven for the next year while I continued to work on legislation that really addressed this no better way to say epidemic, I feel like that is happening in Fisher's County, and in particular areas of the county and a lot of these shops also are breaking the law.

922
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,160
They're not even purchasing their products from Maryland, they're purchasing their products

923
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:55,220
from Virginia, so that they don't have to pay the tax, so that they can make a higher

924
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:55,680
profit.

925
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,460
Because we wonder how can they turn a profit, it doesn't make sense, if they were paying

926
01:22:00,460 --> 01:22:06,020
the same cost as other vendors, it wouldn't be profitable, the math wouldn't make sense.

927
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:14,300
But they're constantly acting as bad actors, starting the law, not paying and following

928
01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:22,520
the proper procedures. And so when I had a meeting with DPI and we were going over every

929
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:28,880
piece of legislative option that we had, it came from an inspector. They said honestly

930
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:37,500
the easiest thing is the use, simplifying it that way. And I think we've done our best

931
01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:45,540
to try to work to find solutions but well I think this industry has shown us that

932
01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:51,520
they don't care at all about what we're saying we want to see in our

933
01:22:51,520 --> 01:23:00,450
community and I've hit the end of trying to work with them. I feel like at this

934
01:23:00,450 --> 01:23:06,070
point we just don't want to see that use and it's a hundred percent in our

935
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:13,050
our purview to say that we don't want to see this use permitted in certain areas in the

936
01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:18,210
county and so I hope to see your support in this piece of legislation because I think

937
01:23:18,210 --> 01:23:22,830
this might actually get us to where we've been trying to get for the last three years

938
01:23:22,830 --> 01:23:28,410
around the oversaturation of the 24 hour tobacco stores in the county.

939
01:23:28,750 --> 01:23:29,170
So thank you.

940
01:23:30,730 --> 01:23:36,170
Thank you, we do have a speaker's list for this bill, starting with Mike O'Hallorin.

941
01:23:40,450 --> 01:23:44,910
Good afternoon, members of the Planning Housing and Economic Development Committee for the record.

942
01:23:44,910 --> 01:23:49,170
My name is Mike O'Hallorin, and I represent the Mid-Atlantic Petroleum Distributors Association.

943
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:55,170
MAP does a trade association representing energy marketers, so at Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia.

944
01:23:55,490 --> 01:24:00,230
Our members also own and operate gas stations and convenience stores located in Prince George's County.

945
01:24:00,230 --> 01:24:09,790
Okay, CB 83 effectively prohibits the sale and distribution of tobacco and tobacco related products at convenience stores without fuel service in the county.

946
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:15,810
Though this bill exempts gas stations from the legislation, it still impacts standalone convenience stores.

947
01:24:16,350 --> 01:24:29,770
Based on the gas station exemption and recent changes to county zoning rules, it seems the council is continuing to look as the council chair just mentioned in her remarks for ways to combat the proliferation of quote unquote smoke shops throughout the county.

948
01:24:29,770 --> 01:24:33,530
Map the members share in the concern these attachments have created.

949
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:37,650
Our stores take great pride in distinguishing themselves from these businesses.

950
01:24:38,190 --> 01:24:42,070
We offer fresh food options, groceries over the counter medication, and more.

951
01:24:42,710 --> 01:24:50,750
Our hope is to work with the council to improve this bill and create a clear distinction between the convenience store industry and these quote unquote smoke shops.

952
01:24:51,150 --> 01:24:56,970
We recently worked with your colleagues in the Baltimore County Council to pass local legislation to better define the differences.

953
01:24:56,970 --> 01:24:59,950
We'd like to couple this effort with legislation our-

954
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,980
Partners in the Maryland General Assembly passed during the 20, 2026 legislative session, excuse me, legislative session. That bill sent a bill A-20 enables the alcohol, tobacco, and cannabis commission to seize illegal products and cite these establishments, whether civilly or criminally, that sell them. Convenient stores are fundamentally different operations from smoke shops. Our industry is made up of general purpose retail businesses whose principal function is to provide a broad

955
01:25:29,980 --> 01:25:34,320
a large range of everyday consumer goods and services for quick and convenient purchase.

956
01:25:34,940 --> 01:25:39,200
Tobacco and tobacco related products may constitute an important product category,

957
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:44,640
but they are one component of a diversified retail offering that typically includes food,

958
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,980
beverages, major order meals, and other consumer products.

959
01:25:48,580 --> 01:25:51,820
Thank you and we look forward to working with the council on this legislation.

960
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,480
Thank you, next on the list of Sarah Price.

961
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:57,580
Good

962
01:26:05,740 --> 01:26:10,400
afternoon. Now, council members, Sarah Price, on behalf of the Maryland Retailers Alliance.

963
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:20,020
I would largely echo the statement of my colleague, Mr. O'Hallarin, but ultimately, I think

964
01:26:20,020 --> 01:26:26,100
we have questions about the laws that are already on the books, the policies that have already

965
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:34,220
been passed by the council, and why those attempts have not worked. I do appreciate the sponsor's

966
01:26:34,220 --> 01:26:40,200
explanation at the beginning. I had hoped to speak with you before this meeting just to

967
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,760
get a better understanding of where the bill was coming from and why the existing laws

968
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:51,020
haven't been working. It sounds to me like an enforcement issue and we just wanted to have

969
01:26:51,020 --> 01:26:59,600
a better understanding of how these businesses are getting around these laws and why the existing

970
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:05,040
policies are not as effective as the council would have hoped.

971
01:27:06,510 --> 01:27:14,240
We do have some concerns about the actions of bad actors ultimately resulting in an

972
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:19,560
entire industry sector being prohibited from selling legal regulated products.

973
01:27:21,050 --> 01:27:23,980
My organization doesn't, you know, we're not standing up for bad actors.

974
01:27:23,980 --> 01:27:28,580
We absolutely understand the issues being faced by the community.

975
01:27:28,580 --> 01:27:33,380
we're trying to be sympathetic to that, but we do want to make sure that legitimate businesses

976
01:27:33,380 --> 01:27:39,200
are still able to operate and to make the money that they need to make to operate.

977
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:45,080
A lot of legitimate convenience stores and gas stations accept SNAP, they are providing

978
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:50,920
food and necessary goods in their communities, and we want to make sure that those good businesses

979
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:56,300
are still able to operate, happy to answer any questions and I hope to be able to connect

980
01:27:56,300 --> 01:27:56,580
with you.

981
01:27:56,860 --> 01:27:57,080
Thank you.

982
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:02,700
Thank you so much and next one is here in here in Vera war.

983
01:28:05,020 --> 01:28:07,560
Okay and the next person is Taylor

984
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:17,420
who I don't see. Thank you. Do we have a motion? Motion to move favourable. Second can we please call the roll.

985
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:28,000
Chair

986
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:43,700
All right. Thank you. Next that we have on the agenda is CB 84. An ordinance concerning streamlining site plan review act of 2026 turning it over to Ms. Hightower.

987
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:54,740
Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. As you mentioned, this bill will allow certain application types to be reviewed simultaneously during the development review process.

988
01:28:55,460 --> 01:29:00,240
The bill and the agenda on pages 195 through 200.

989
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,960
There's a proposed draft too of the bill.

990
01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:08,280
Mr. Hamlin is here and can go through those amendments.

991
01:29:08,340 --> 01:29:14,340
Also, Ms. Ganyu is here if you would like to have her provide you a fiscal and policy overview.

992
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,720
The planning board voted to oppose this bill, I believe.

993
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:23,100
And that concludes my overview, Madam Chair, thank you.

994
01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:26,280
All right. Thank you. Any comments from the bill sponsor?

995
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:52,340
Just echoing sentiments that I've stated before around, sorry, we're on 84 correct around the work that we're doing around streamlining the development process and this one change to match the concerns that my colleagues had on the subdivision.

996
01:29:52,340 --> 01:29:55,860
So this matches it so there'll be a draft to

997
01:29:56,580 --> 01:29:59,560
Reflect all the changes on the subdivision bill that we already passed

998
01:30:00,620 --> 01:30:07,740
Thank you. And we have some speakers today. I'll start with Terry Arvinson.

999
01:30:13,770 --> 01:30:14,510
Hello again.

1000
01:30:15,250 --> 01:30:27,290
Terry Arvinson from a Laurel district one. There are so many concerns and impacts to be weighed during the approval process.

1001
01:30:27,790 --> 01:30:35,530
And the range of capabilities and organizations required to properly assess these is beyond the means of any planning board, both in terms of knowledge

1002
01:30:35,530 --> 01:30:37,530
and current staffing resources.

1003
01:30:38,330 --> 01:30:40,710
Streamlining the process is not the answer.

1004
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:44,430
Providing sufficient resources to do the job right

1005
01:30:44,430 --> 01:30:45,870
is the proper answer.

1006
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:49,910
What I also don't see in the system right now

1007
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:53,530
is the transparency that allows the community

1008
01:30:53,530 --> 01:30:56,570
to track inputs, reports, status, and results.

1009
01:30:57,310 --> 01:31:01,090
For example, the winery land sale on Duckett Town Road

1010
01:31:01,090 --> 01:31:05,770
outside of Old Buie has been conducted essentially in secret.

1011
01:31:06,270 --> 01:31:11,370
It is our quality of life that is potentially impinged upon by careless or

1012
01:31:11,370 --> 01:31:16,470
thoughtless development, including loss of trees and contamination of watersheds,

1013
01:31:16,970 --> 01:31:20,870
aggravated traffic patterns that are already at their limit in some areas,

1014
01:31:21,330 --> 01:31:25,650
and infrastructure capacities such as water, sewer, and electricity.

1015
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:35,550
I have been trolling the county websites for current status on permits, bill approvals, planning submissions, but they don't seem to be available to the voters.

1016
01:31:36,490 --> 01:31:42,810
Request for information is the only way we find out what's being done without our knowledge or consent.

1017
01:31:43,470 --> 01:31:49,350
This is not right, it is not a representative government if we don't know what you're doing.

1018
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:58,810
Help us to help you make PG County a thoughtful, considerate, and responsibly planned environment in which to raise our families.

1019
01:31:59,210 --> 01:32:00,030
Thank you.

1020
01:32:00,430 --> 01:32:01,550
Thank you so much.

1021
01:32:01,690 --> 01:32:02,790
Next is John Robinson?

1022
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:12,260
Yes, this is John Robinson.

1023
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:20,460
The bill has changed remarkably from what I originally saw, but I'd like to just reiterate two things.

1024
01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:28,660
One is that the process is necessarily multi-step and you have to do certain things before you do succeeding things.

1025
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:36,060
For example, you really need to know where the flood plans are, you need to know where the natural resources are, you know, forest cover, and so forth.

1026
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:45,220
And you have to have those before you can go to the next stages of evaluating whether a particular proposal is even appropriate for an area or not.

1027
01:32:45,220 --> 01:32:54,460
And just to piggyback the comments that were just made about the old Duckettown community.

1028
01:32:54,620 --> 01:32:58,580
This is an historic African-American community near Buoy.

1029
01:32:59,340 --> 01:33:04,700
They basically had taken for granted the forest that surrounded their community.

1030
01:33:05,340 --> 01:33:10,980
And then all of a sudden they found out that that county had sold it as surplus property.

1031
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:23,920
and they were planning on, you know, basically cutting down the forest that they had taken for granted, that people tend to do when things have been there for hundreds of years, and they were going to put a winery there.

1032
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:32,880
And they had no clue that this was coming down the pike. So I think that, you know, this is the important. It's why you have to have transparency.

1033
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:38,040
You have to incorporate people and you have to evaluate the resources before you, for example,

1034
01:33:38,180 --> 01:33:43,400
sell off County property that has a mature forest on it, or any of these other activities.

1035
01:33:43,980 --> 01:33:45,480
So, thank you very much for your time.

1036
01:33:48,060 --> 01:33:50,120
Thank you, and Kathy, both on the mute.

1037
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:02,860
Kathy from Greenville.

1038
01:34:04,940 --> 01:34:13,340
Opposed to the streamlining, we need to set down policy that must protect the public protections

1039
01:34:13,340 --> 01:34:16,360
protections have environmental protections, even a fast-track.

1040
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:22,080
Make sure that the transportation federal and state laws are followed.

1041
01:34:22,900 --> 01:34:27,720
Concerns about the resources to develop smart growth with serial planning review process.

1042
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:34,920
Fast-tracking using parallel processing compounds, a lack of capability, makes it highly likely

1043
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:40,680
that mistakes in the approval process will be made that are counter to what PGE citizens

1044
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,640
environmental growth and interest want.

1045
01:34:45,420 --> 01:34:49,080
We need timely and accurate reviews that are compliant with the law,

1046
01:34:49,540 --> 01:34:53,080
making this process go faster, using parallel reviews,

1047
01:34:53,300 --> 01:34:57,960
exposes PG Council, to even more legal action from failed reviews,

1048
01:34:58,180 --> 01:34:59,500
and citizens who experience

1049
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,940
Financial environmental losses has a result. Data base is not working so well. Lining information

1050
01:35:07,940 --> 01:35:14,480
is very difficult and at times not available. The current permit and planning data bases

1051
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:22,540
are insufficient as DPI is understaffed. Lack of transparency around the projects and not

1052
01:35:22,540 --> 01:35:28,580
proactively provide documents. Developers are required to file as part of the application process.

1053
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:37,460
Only getting documents through the public record requests gives us that are not being transparent right now.

1054
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:48,360
It seems that maybe a special treatment is being given to the big developers rather than people that are just wanting to build an addition or at a house.

1055
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,880
So I hope you reconsider this bill.

1056
01:35:53,180 --> 01:35:53,620
Thank you.

1057
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:55,780
Thank you so much.

1058
01:35:56,460 --> 01:35:57,460
Do we have a motion?

1059
01:35:59,300 --> 01:35:59,940
Move everyone.

1060
01:36:00,220 --> 01:36:00,700
Drive two.

1061
01:36:00,980 --> 01:36:01,420
Second.

1062
01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:03,560
Can we please call the roll?

1063
01:36:05,020 --> 01:36:05,640
Chair Belgae.

1064
01:36:06,440 --> 01:36:06,600
Aye.

1065
01:36:07,060 --> 01:36:08,280
Council Member Adam Stafford.

1066
01:36:09,220 --> 01:36:10,160
Council Member Denoga.

1067
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:12,340
Council Member Olson.

1068
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:13,200
Aye.

1069
01:36:13,660 --> 01:36:14,520
Vice Chair Ouyaga.

1070
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:15,580
Aye.

1071
01:36:15,860 --> 01:36:17,100
Motion carries 5-0.

1072
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:18,020
All right.

1073
01:36:18,300 --> 01:36:21,300
And finally, we have CB-35, is that the last one?

1074
01:36:21,940 --> 01:36:22,160
Yes.

1075
01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:36,700
And this bill was held in committee on May the 12th and this bill would allow child care centers without the requirement of special exception.

1076
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:47,940
There is a proposed draft too, and Mr. Hamlin is here, the Planning Board voted to support it, the original version with amendments.

1077
01:36:47,940 --> 01:36:55,800
There was a letter received from Reverend Dr. Matthew Wattley from Kingdom Fellowship,

1078
01:36:56,380 --> 01:37:00,340
AME Church, strongly supporting the legislation.

1079
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:07,460
There's also Ms. Heather, and I apologize if I mess up your last name, Ms. Heather Dorskley,

1080
01:37:07,940 --> 01:37:11,700
submitted a letter of support and is signed up to speak.

1081
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:13,120
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1082
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:18,780
Okay, so we had turned over to a bill sponsor.

1083
01:37:19,940 --> 01:37:21,140
Thank you, colleagues.

1084
01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:28,480
This was part of the package of bills I presented on the Universal Child Care Roadmap.

1085
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:34,860
As we look at how we're going to expand access to child care, as to be a layered approach.

1086
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:40,360
One, we did that with creating the first ever Printer Church County Scholarship and funding

1087
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:41,760
it during this budget cycle.

1088
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:46,060
So, I thank my colleagues for their advocacy and our ability to get that funding.

1089
01:37:46,780 --> 01:37:52,660
But outside of also creating scholarship opportunities, we also have to create opportunities

1090
01:37:52,660 --> 01:37:54,160
to expand the seats.

1091
01:37:54,700 --> 01:38:00,300
So one of the pieces of legislation I wanted to do was look at the barriers to actually

1092
01:38:00,300 --> 01:38:02,160
open up child care facilities.

1093
01:38:02,660 --> 01:38:09,000
And so I think that this piece of legislation will make it easier for us to expand and have

1094
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:15,940
more seats across the county, which is a big part of creating access to affordable

1095
01:38:15,940 --> 01:38:19,880
child care and print shortage county. So I hope to have your support. Thank you.

1096
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:31,320
Thank you so much. We do have some speakers, Ms. Heather, the pot ski, Paul's ski.

1097
01:38:33,500 --> 01:38:34,160
Good afternoon,

1098
01:38:39,230 --> 01:38:43,350
a little bit taller, not usually tall. Good afternoon, Heather, Dell, Paul's

1099
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:47,770
And I respond to many variations on my last name, so I know where he's there.

1100
01:38:48,290 --> 01:38:50,290
Good afternoon, Madam Chair and members of the committee.

1101
01:38:50,450 --> 01:38:54,610
As I said, Heather Dullapulski, I'm a land use and zoning attorney with WireGill.

1102
01:38:54,830 --> 01:38:57,970
And I'm here on behalf of Kingdom Fellowship AME Church.

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01:38:58,170 --> 01:39:00,710
They are based on Beltsville Drive in Beltsville.

1104
01:39:01,130 --> 01:39:04,890
And it is our client who submitted the very strong letter of support for this bill.

1105
01:39:04,990 --> 01:39:07,630
And we do appreciate its introduction and moving forward.

1106
01:39:08,210 --> 01:39:12,850
We are strongly in support of both the bill and the overall proposal to make it easier

1107
01:39:12,850 --> 01:39:15,130
to provide daycare in Prince George's County.

1108
01:39:15,550 --> 01:39:19,790
We did submit a lengthier written letter yesterday, so I would refer folks to that.

1109
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:24,710
In addition to the Worship Center at their Belsfield Drive Facility, Kingdom Fellowship

1110
01:39:24,710 --> 01:39:26,990
also operates Kingdom Care Center.

1111
01:39:27,490 --> 01:39:32,750
It provides wraparound services for the community within existing office buildings.

1112
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:35,910
So these are office buildings that were very underutilized for a number of years.

1113
01:39:36,210 --> 01:39:40,150
They came and developed their Worship Center as well as the Kingdom Care Center.

1114
01:39:40,150 --> 01:39:46,070
The wraparound services include food and housing assistance, health care, workforce development,

1115
01:39:46,370 --> 01:39:51,750
legal services, and if this bill passes, Kingdom Fellowship stands ready to add a daycare

1116
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:55,230
center for children as part of this comprehensive service to the community.

1117
01:39:55,790 --> 01:39:59,950
We are also currently seeking a parking departure to accommodate the daycare center.

1118
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,920
And some additional wraparound services at Kingdom Care Center. This would be in recognition of the fact that these are weekday uses that fit well within the higher parking requirement for the place of worship, which obviously has a tires to use on Sundays. The planning board hearing on that is in the end of October, and it's our strong hope that this bill will be approved around the same time that final action is being taken on that. And if so, Kingdom Fellowship is ready to move forward with implementing a daycare center for children at their facility.

1119
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,960
and we do anticipate at this time that it would be up to 120 children.

1120
01:40:34,340 --> 01:40:36,120
So thank you so much for the opportunity to speak to.

1121
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:36,700
I appreciate it.

1122
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:37,800
Thank you so much.

1123
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:38,940
John Robertson.

1124
01:40:45,730 --> 01:40:51,170
Yes, I think it's clear that not just the county, but the whole country is in serious need

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01:40:51,170 --> 01:40:56,710
of good, reliable child care for residents.

1126
01:40:57,750 --> 01:41:02,790
However, I do question whether or not the general scope of this legislation is what's required.

1127
01:41:03,670 --> 01:41:22,070
There are situations in various communities where facilities that are meant to provide this type of care do not meet standards and without the appropriate review by the planning department and other experts.

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01:41:22,770 --> 01:41:48,550
There's no guarantee that a safe, effective child care situation will be created, and so I would just caution you that just doing away with regulations and requiring permits is not necessarily going to give you the result that you want, which is providing high quality child care for the residents of our county. Thank you.

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01:41:53,290 --> 01:41:59,090
I just want to address that because that's is very important that we have high quality

1130
01:41:59,090 --> 01:42:07,830
daycare facilities and daycare is heavily regulated and this in no way changes those

1131
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:08,450
regulations.

1132
01:42:08,890 --> 01:42:14,570
It's actually one of the things I'm working on on the state level right now because there's

1133
01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:38,010
not even a difference between daycare and afterschool, and because the standards are so high for daycare, so many of our afterschool providers can't even open because of the licensing requirement, even our school, so about you build a school that houses children all day, they have to get licensed separately to do afterschool care, because it's under the daycare requirements.

1134
01:42:38,010 --> 01:42:45,290
So I don't want people to think that this, in any way, changes the regulations or the standards for daycares.

1135
01:42:45,410 --> 01:42:55,830
They still have higher regulations and standards that are regulated by the state to make sure that they are quality child care facilities in Prince George County.

1136
01:42:56,450 --> 01:43:01,290
And then we do have technical amendments, Josh, am I correct?

1137
01:43:02,590 --> 01:43:05,250
Turn it over, Josh, do you have technical amendments?

1138
01:43:05,250 --> 01:43:13,050
Yeah, these are just a handful of amendments that were suggested by planning staff back when they were discussed.

1139
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:16,990
I think Mr. Warner discussed them at length, and I think there was general agreement.

1140
01:43:17,210 --> 01:43:20,170
So these are just incorporated into the draft, too.

1141
01:43:20,270 --> 01:43:22,210
And those are the only changes to it from draft one.

1142
01:43:23,230 --> 01:43:24,170
Thank you.

1143
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:24,990
All right.

1144
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:25,910
Do we have a motion?

1145
01:43:26,290 --> 01:43:28,390
Motion to move favourable on draft two.

1146
01:43:28,830 --> 01:43:29,290
Second.

1147
01:43:30,330 --> 01:43:31,470
Could please call the roll.

1148
01:43:31,470 --> 01:43:33,770
Chair Bougay, aye.

1149
01:43:34,130 --> 01:43:35,710
Council Member Adam Stafford, aye.

1150
01:43:36,130 --> 01:43:36,990
Council Member Janoga,

1151
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:39,130
Council Member Olson, aye.

1152
01:43:39,710 --> 01:43:41,050
Vice Chair Ruyaga, aye.

1153
01:43:41,370 --> 01:43:42,530
Motion carries 5-0.

1154
01:43:44,150 --> 01:43:47,070
Right, so we are concluded.

1155
01:43:47,410 --> 01:43:48,650
Do we have a motion to adjourn?

1156
01:43:49,970 --> 01:43:54,030
All right, all the eyes have it.

1157
01:43:54,170 --> 01:43:54,910
We are adjourned.